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[00:18] heya Rat409 [00:18] heya,fire|bird [00:18] hey fire|bird ,how goes it? [00:18] hey MLanden [00:19] heya,rat409 [00:19] Rat409, going great, thank you. yourself? [00:19] heya MLanden [00:19] doing well,thanks [00:19] thanks, i'm doing great too [00:20] Grifulkin (~Ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:20] XD [00:20] heya,fhobia [00:20] cool :) [00:20] :3 [00:20] heya fhobia [00:21] Action: fhobia needs to look into installing slack using usb stick [00:21] john_dee (~id@93-81-69-253.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. 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[01:06] ezrafree (ezra@208.67.159.229) left irc: Changing host [01:06] ezrafree (ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) joined ##slackware. [01:12] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:15] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:18] kcynice (~kcynice@123.184.131.87) joined ##slackware. [01:18] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [01:19] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:20] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:20] hi, this is my first time to use xface environment other than KDE. But, the problem is that, i don't know how to input my local language via scim. I searched but found nothing on the slackbook. [01:30] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:40] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:40] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:42] kcynice (~kcynice@123.184.131.87) joined ##slackware. [01:42] datace, are you referring to the workspaces or the ttys? [01:42] im sorry, xface should be xfce [01:42] datace: usually is, alt+F2 in fluxbox [01:44] i mean another window... [01:44] screen 1, screen 2, screen 3 [01:45] ts on desktop.. like desktop 1, desktop 2 , desktop 3 [01:45] fliping screen [01:45] switch to right screen [01:45] left to right [01:45] compiz? [01:46] is there a compiz on installed in default in slackware? [01:46] datace, are you using xfce or kde? [01:46] yes, compiz is what X uses [01:47] I'm using xfce with rat logo. [01:49] anyways, X contains compiz. if you want the plugins and such (compiz-fusion, beryl, etc) you have to install them [01:50] datace, should be control+alt+arrow right key [01:50] gotcha [01:50] datace, if you use xfce, would you like to tell me how to use scim there? thanks [01:50] xfwm4 has a decent compositor. Drop shadows. [01:50] that is what i'm looking :) [01:51] datace, to go right and cotrol+alt+left key to go left ... this might help http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.0/manuals/xfwm4 [01:51] nice website Mlanden [01:53] datace, np [01:53] ty [01:55] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:56] kcynice, http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT look down and there are some hints on input methods for complex characters(CJK) [01:56] :) [01:57] thanks MLanden, i will go and have a look [01:58] kcynice, np [02:00] phukt (~phukt@71-90-99-202.dhcp.ftbg.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:00] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [02:00] phukt (~phukt@71-90-99-202.dhcp.ftbg.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:02] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [02:04] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:06] hi MLanden, there are some files quoted in the file doesn't exist here, i just create and the system can use it automately? [02:06] kcynice, after following the steps...just test it by opening a terminal and typing scim -d [02:08] oh, if i did nothing, i can use " scim -d &" to start scim successfully. [02:08] kcynice, did you have scim setup with kde4? [02:10] yes. i have installed scim under kde4. because i found kde4 is very slow(I think slack12.0 works better), i want to turn into xfce [02:11] kcynice, so you should be able to start the scim daemon with scim -d & [02:12] under kde, i just creat xinitrc script file to export some variables, and start scim there. but after i use xwmconfig to change my desktop environment, slack overwrote the file. so, i don't know...... [02:12] need i create some files list in the file you just told me? [02:12] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:13] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [02:16] and there is another problem, although scim started successfully, but it doesen't work. [02:16] dios_mio (mirc@88.242.166.118) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [02:16] kcynice, is there an icon in the system tray? [02:17] yes, but in gray mode [02:17] not allowing you to right click it? [02:19] no, i can right click. but ,as you know, it allow left click to select input method [02:20] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.105.129) joined ##slackware. [02:20] i use startx for wm's but set global kde4 settings by this in my ~/.xinitrc , dbus --launch kded4 & [02:20] \o hi guys [02:20] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:21] i know nothing about all the script files. 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[02:33] kcynice: glad to help man [02:33] :3 [02:33]  _  [02:33] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: [02:36] damn, it is strange to try to use windows after ~10 years of linux [02:36] and not using a desktop environment o_o [02:36] although i think this couldn't be the right method what i want, but it works. I think, such command should write somewhere else where sfce startup script execute automately. Because the content i inserted into .xinitrc would be overwrote again if i run xwmconfig to change the default windows environment [02:36] hehe [02:37] fhobia, did it BSOD on ya?...:P [02:37] all i see are these progress bars and windows won't tell me what its doing in the background [02:37] all these popups saying stuff is being downloaded and upgraded o_o;;; [02:37] haha no it has not yet...but i can't wait to blow it away [02:37] Action: fhobia is waiting for slackware 14 [02:37] 8) [02:38] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [02:38] linux is a deeeeep swimming pool...... [02:38] Action: fhobia was lost without htop on his screen [02:39] yeah, in the windows pool, lot of kids going pee-pee [02:39] and there is only so much you can do to clean the pool ;] [02:39] fhobia, I get bored without compiz,as well as htop and conky [02:40] oh, i haven't used compiz yet :( [02:40] fhobia, hopefully no baby ruths...:( [02:41] :) i got used to tiling window manager now... not really sure if its better paradigm though [02:41] fhobia, that I can understand as well [02:42] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-80.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:43] this asus laptop has bios utility to flash the bios though, so i guess there is no reason to keep windows around [02:43] :) benefit to having asus make the laptop is they have neat features in the bios i guess :P [02:44] fhobia, asus write a linux native program to flash BIOS? [02:44] its a menu item in the bios [02:44] doesn't seem to be tied to any OS [02:47] fhobia, cool...EZ Flash?...lookin' at their website [02:48] sounds linux based [02:48] "easy flash utility" [02:48] ok [02:49] http://livesupport.asus.com/nbezflashhowto.html [02:49] screenshots at the bottom [02:49] fhobia: do you have a link to the correct site for it? [02:49] yeah, that link has screenshots [02:50] i put the bios update on fat32 stick, because the utility can't read updates from ntfs although it doesn't tell you that :/ [02:51] that's pretty neat [02:52] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:53] fhobia, if the bios has a bad checksum..will the utility let you know(keep from flashing the rom with a corrupt file)? [02:53] i'm not sure o_o it can't read from ntfs though so it reported an error when i chose that one from the drive [02:54] i hope it has some...but i didn't see any checksum or anything on the site either so...i hope it does [02:54] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:55] fhobia, still a nice feature nonetheless [02:56] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [02:58] :) yeah [02:58] there is some other linux "easy gate" or something that can load up quickly [02:58] supposedly has some web browser and skype in it [02:58] ...i'll probably wipe that out too :-P [02:58] i can resume from ram under 1-2 seconds so....don't think i need this tool either [03:00] I just downloaded "ctorrent" and able to extract the files... I wonder what am gonna do next to install, just paste it to the root directory? nooby question here.. :) [03:02] i would look into a tool called "sbopkg" to install "ctorrent" [03:02] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:02] it seems there is a ctorrent package in the repository already [03:02] fhobia, kinda sounds like that XPUD distro...think it had firefox,mplayer and skype on it [03:03] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [03:04] command not found :( fhobia [03:05] datace: you need to install sbopkg :) but then you use sbopkg to install further software [03:05] http://www.sbopkg.org/ [03:05] http://www.sbopkg.org/downloads.php [03:07] ok :) [03:07] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [03:08] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. 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[03:27] Whichever you want [03:28] hey straterra man :) [03:28] sup [03:28] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:28] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:28] so tell me... what do you use? [03:29] how long would it take ti install GNOME on slackware? [03:29] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:29] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [03:30] dios_mio: dunno, try it [03:30] dios_mio: depends on your hardware [03:31] hmm ok [03:31] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.12.72) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [03:33] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.35.99) joined ##slackware. [03:36] dios_mio: i use XFCE. if you haven't used it before, its sort of like a lightweight GNOME [03:36] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. 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[04:40] wicd not installed [04:40] spiko (~spiko@89-212-125-237.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [04:44] coolkehon (~second@unaffiliated/sec0nd) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:45] hey, has anyone running mplayer on console noticed that if you get its options right, you can switch tty and still see the video? [04:46] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:48] you mean, if you get the options *wrong* ;-) [04:48] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:48] phrag: what's the bug? [04:48] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [04:49] firefox is one big bug [04:49] firebug [04:49] Camarade_Tux (hi) not at all; altho sometimes you have to use 3 fings to switch tty [04:50] pprkut heh [04:51] what gtk version and what is the bug? [04:51] To be fair to firefox, I really liked the initial concept. As well as the first few releases (around 1.0) [04:51] tripFantastic: you're changing -vo? [04:51] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [04:51] pprkut, go fix it then 8-P [04:52] But now thinking back the original goal was a lightweight mozilla.... [04:52] you may like them again when they make a joint announcement with google soonish [04:52] well, check the wikipedia page: all the features you'd want were in 0.8 ;-) [04:52] [04:52] firefox is still lighter in weight (imho) than seamonkey/mozilla [04:55] might be, but it just doesn't feel that way [04:55] for me, that is [04:55] it's writ in javascript/ecma [04:55] coolkehon (~second@confusion.ironsunrise.com) joined ##slackware. [04:56] i think chrome's progressing nicely but i still don't like the plugin management [04:57] the problem is, slackware-current, firefox 3.6.3.. the gtk interface in firefox locks the application for 20 seconds and becomes unresponsive.. other users have noted the same issue.. i got home lastnight and the issue dissapeared, back on this morning and the issue is back =( [04:57] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:57] try loading one of those 7.1MB hubble telescope JPGs [04:58] you switch desktop to firefox and get a 5 second render lag [04:58] just ff becomes unresponsive or the entire system? [04:58] phrag: strace? [04:59] ltrace too maybe [04:59] just ff, rest of the WM is fine [04:59] i had about 132 tabs open in seamonk yesterday [04:59] seamonkey seems fine [04:59] Camarade_Tux: i did try strace, but didnt see anything usefull or obvious [04:59] and this is with no particular page, right? just opening ff and boom it lags sometimes? [04:59] Action: byteframe returns from a `sudo rm -fr /usr` recovery [04:59] yeh, no page opening [04:59] i'm impressed with sm's ability to NOT lose any tabs when it cores [04:59] Anyone got a lot of experience beating NFS into submission? I have a stale file handle on a sub-sub-sub-dir of a mount and would like to avoid a client reboot. I can unmount the share and remount in but after remount the damn thing still wont load this specific directory [04:59] Action: Zordrak looks at ananke [05:00] i can actually browse fine, but as soon as i try to click on the gtk gui part, like File, Edit etc.. the app locks up [05:00] phrag: just to check: ran with -tt -f ? (and I guess it won't be easy/funny to reproduce under strace) [05:00] does not seem related to any web page.. does the same on a blank page [05:00] Zordrak if you have a sh sript, add a rm of that file before that mount? or is the bad file on the mount too? [05:00] what gtk+2 version? [05:00] Camarade_Tux: firefox or strace? [05:00] second... [05:00] its fine on the server and on other clients [05:01] phrag: running firefox in strace until the bug reproduces might not be funny [05:01] no wait [05:01] gtk+-1.2.10-i486-5 gtk+2-2.18.7-i486-2 [05:01] its NOT fine on other clients [05:01] but it is fine on the server [05:01] damnnit [05:01] phrag: and, with flash enabled? [05:01] well the bug happens striaght away [05:01] try revering back the 2.18.7 to whatever current used before that [05:02] ah... [05:02] with all plugins disabled, in safe mode.. same bug [05:02] current used a pretty old gtk before that one [05:02] phrag: javascript disabled? [05:02] and CPU to 0% or 100%? [05:03] phrag, 13 uses gtk+2-2.14.7, try reverting to that [05:03] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [05:03] it's probably going to be a mess [05:03] see if bug disappears.... [05:03] gaz (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [05:03] ok, runnign strace firefox... when i click on the gtk whole app freezes, nothing in strace, and WM even locks for a second [05:04] it'd need to change glib2, pango, atk, maybe xfce... [05:04] hmm, can i revert to gtk+2-2.14.7 in -current? [05:04] Camarade not true [05:04] he can revert gtk+2 with no issues [05:04] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.12.108) joined ##slackware. [05:04] s/can/can maybe/ [05:04] iimps (~impas@212.183.140.96) joined ##slackware. [05:05] i tried downgrading firefox too... i'll try gtk... this is a known bug that others have reported, so i would definately like to get the bottom of it.. also, it's causing me great pita =P [05:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:05] s/can maybe/i can has/ [05:05] phrag my money's on yes. if things break you can always upgrade back (gtk's not used when not in X) [05:05] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.12.108) left irc: Client Quit [05:05] ive just updated my kernel will i need to do mkinitrd for reiserfs ? [05:05] mancha: thanks mate, will try now [05:05] iimps, if reiserfs is then yes [05:05] ernie Ford, 16 tons. [05:05] iimps: depends if using huge or generic.. generic yes [05:05] ok [05:05] ernie Ford, 16 tons. 1956 [05:06] yup, of course, it's easy to put the newer gtk again ;-) [05:06] phrag: but I haven't understood very well: what do you have to do to reproduce the bug? [05:06] open firefox =P [05:06] ok, I thought you had something more to do ;-) [05:07] phrag: tried with a clean config [05:07] ? [05:07] don't do like hiptobecubic however... [05:07] tsccof (~tsccof@187.5.237.44) joined ##slackware. [05:07] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1843 [05:07] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.9) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:07] hi, what is the name of a good front-end for archiving tools? I know xarchiver, but I wanted something a little more practical [05:08] which would do what? [05:08] Right Click > Extract here [05:08] would be useful [05:08] Camarade_Tux: tried with clean .mozilla and clean .kde [05:08] tsccof: Ark ? [05:08] hmm, computer unreachable... [05:09] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [05:09] phrag: that is it! I am sure there was one, I was thinking of "Arch" lol, thanks a lot [05:10] =) [05:10] time to give old gtk a go, brb =) [05:10] reachable again... [05:11] Camarade, that's not as funny as it is sort of saddish [05:12] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [05:12] paissad (~paissad-s@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:13] same issue with gtk+2-2.14.7 =( [05:13] fuck! this is annoying me soo much... i rely on firefox [05:13] ok then your issue is deeper and unrelated to gtk+2 [05:14] very important Q: when did you start noticing problems [05:14] yeh, others have this issue too, no one has resolved it yet [05:14] mancha: yesterday afternoon (no upgrade) [05:14] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving... [05:14] although i did have 2 weeks uptime, so might have upgraded since... noticed after i restarted kde [05:15] iimps (~impas@212.183.140.96) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:16] does this problem occur if you don't use KDE? [05:17] gaz (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:18] mancha: i'm going to test that now, then if same, test with a compeltely fresh user [05:19] (twm ftw! :-) ) [05:20] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:20] Suhana (~vash@host217-42-44-229.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Imma outta here [05:20] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:21] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [05:21] yes, same issue in xfce, so it's not a kde problem [05:22] it is also very strange since i have 3.6.3 and no issues with xfce here [05:22] where can I download Ark's source code? #kde-utils people are not replying, and I found nothing on the official page [05:22] I suspect I found a changelog bug. there is package slackware64-current/extra/partitionmanager/partitionmanager-1.0.0_BETA1-x86_64-1.txz and it is nowhere to be found in the changelog. can anybody confirm? [05:22] slava_dp: lazy to check but I haven't seen it either [05:22] phragare you on 32 or 64 bit? [05:22] slava_dp - It was added to slackware64 before it went public [05:23] alienBOB, I see. i have 1.0.1 installed from SBo and slackpkg wants to update it to 1.0.0-BETA1 in extra, that's why I wondered. [05:24] Ah ;-) [05:24] Pat never removed it - oversight or not, I have no idea [05:27] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [05:27] paissad (~paissad-s@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:31] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [05:33] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [05:33] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:35] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [05:35] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Client Quit [05:37] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:37] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [05:38] I just installed a program, my problem is now where do I locate the program directory to execute the file, or what are commands to run that program? [05:38] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [05:38] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [05:39] datace: you should know... how do we know what program you installed? [05:39] there could command shortcut? [05:39] Linux has a PATH variable with directories which are being searched when you type a program name [05:39] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Client Quit [05:39] but i know where the directory [05:39] Shortcuts are for Windows [05:39] but can can I enable the program to run [05:40] Is it a graphical program, or a commandline program [05:40] is there a name for the particular program [05:40] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [05:40] ah [05:40] ok [05:40] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Client Quit [05:41] GUYS!! [05:41] i've tracked down the problem! [05:41] No. [05:41] \o/ [05:41] no entry for 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts [05:41] xD [05:41] didn't have local hostname defined in there (as i'd overwritten it earlier) [05:42] ipv4? That's so 1998 [05:42] mwahahaha, so happy ioi';ve tracked that issue down [05:43] how btw? [05:44] spiko (~spiko@89-212-125-237.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Quit: aajd [05:47] do you guys keep a text file containing programmes you use and their dependencies? [05:48] No [05:48] no [05:48] Camarade_Tux: how what sorry? [05:49] w000t [05:49] how you debugged it? [05:49] I am just wondering if there is any easier way for installing software on Slack, since I have been using it for a while now and I do compile 99% of the stuff [05:49] so happy i fixed that! [05:49] andrewtaylor_ (~andrewtay@82.109.167.150) joined ##slackware. [05:49] slackbuilds? [05:49] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrag' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [05:49] Action: phrag cheers andrewtaylor_ for fixing his gtk issue 8o) [05:49] phrag (phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [05:49] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [05:49] remember kids, it's always DNS [05:50] ahaha [05:50] I just installed "ctorrent" How to call or run the program through command line? [05:51] "ctorrent"? [05:51] how about: ctorrent [05:52] why is says "command not found"? [05:52] Camarade_Tux: yeah, I am doing both ways, depends on what I am doing. are these the best ways? [05:52] datace: how did you install it? [05:53] well, slackbuilds is usually the best way [05:53] untar or xtract + ./configure + make + make install [05:53] >.< [05:54] datace: after all that yesterday and the argument you started you didnt listen to one single word of the advice?! [05:55] I'm not "white person" that you do to understand "english" very well :) [05:55] datace: time to improve your english then [05:55] :) [05:56] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [05:56] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:56] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:56] is my way of installing is correct? [05:57] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [05:57] datace: if you are new to gnu/linux and slackware, you should rather install your packages via slackbuilds found on slackbuilds.org [05:57] or even better. install sbopkg [05:57] yep. I downloaded all from slackbuild. [05:58] okies [05:58] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [05:58] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Changing host [05:58] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [05:58] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Client Quit [05:59] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:59] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:00] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) joined ##slackware. [06:00] im so friffing sick of NFS its even got me investigating AFS as an alternative [06:02] Wow apparantly AMD is releasing a Zosma core. [06:02] Need to get one :-P [06:07] do I ned to edit " slack-desc " or " doinst.sh " ? [06:07] datace: ALL you need to do is run the SlackBuild script and then install the package it gives you. [06:08] This is automated for you by sbopkg available at http://sbopkg.org [06:09] like this command " installpkg sbopkg-version-noarch-1_cng.tgz " ? [06:10] precisely [06:10] then run sbopkg (as root) [06:10] ok ill inforn u right away.. :) [06:11] yah mate done!!! [06:11] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:11] now.. what is that package for? [06:11] it was installed [06:12] Run sbopkg [06:12] search for ctorrent [06:12] install it [06:12] done [06:13] actually.. you need to sync once ferst [06:14] sync it? [06:14] ferst sounds irish [06:14] its option 1 [06:14] do it [06:15] WildWizard (michael@ppp118-208-133-237.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) left ##slackware. [06:15] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [06:16] sbopkg say " slackbuild 13 under a heavy load .. plezse try again later " ... [06:17] as i look at more and more details of afs i am wondering just why anyone would pick nfs over afs for sharing to more than one or two client- [06:17] GooseYArde (~bailey9@topquark.roadkill.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:18] do i have a problem? [06:18] try again [06:19] k [06:21] brb... ty Zordak. [06:21] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left ##slackware. [06:22] afs was closed [06:22] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:23] still is i guess as the open branch is quite limited [06:24] limited? [06:25] tsccof (~tsccof@187.5.237.44) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [06:26] i've been out of that loop for a few years, is openafs quite mature now? [06:26] OpenAFS seems pretty well looked after.. with a release 2 days ago. [06:27] dude.. i SO need to get the company to send me to the European AFS & Kerberos Conference in the Czech Republic in September [06:28] i'm a bit excited about ceph [06:28] tell me more.. [06:28] :) Im on a I need to get shot of fscking NFS high [06:29] v4nelle (~van@79.107.205.64) joined ##slackware. [06:29] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:29] why would anybody pick nfs over afs? simple: proliferation of nfs and ease of use [06:30] ananke: aye.. just seems that if as much effort was put into making afs as easily accessible as nfs more people might use it [06:30] if you were to try afs 10 years ago, you'd pull your hair out, and then come back to nfs right away [06:30] i can imagine [06:31] but the question is... what about now [06:31] http://ceph.newdream.net/about/ [06:31] nee-chan (~Mantosky@82-171-26-177.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:31] mancha: im there [06:31] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [06:31] mancha: looks like its mostly about distribution of storage rather than access [06:32] and these days folks tend to pick a lot of proprietary solutions: cxfs/panasas/gpfs/etc [06:33] i have centralised storage.. but my problem is the way uers access it. curently they have simultaneous cifs and nfs access.. but cifs is slow and nfs makes me want to tear my throat out so i have something to tie nfs to a brick with and chuck it in the ocean [06:34] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [06:34] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:34] nfs4 is an option, if you can switch all your clients at once [06:34] the client will be mainlined into 2.6.34 [06:34] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:35] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left irc: Client Quit [06:35] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF38B0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:35] ananke: it *may* be possible once the legacy stuff is cleared out [06:35] ananke: is it really much better than v3? [06:36] there's also lustre, but they keep shifting. they were going to use zfs as on-disk format, but now who knows [06:36] Zordrak: well, for one, it requires only one port to run on. no more dealing with rpc [06:36] lawl.. nfsv4.org lists aug 2005 as an upcoming event [06:37] folks are still waiting for pnfs [06:38] right .. i just seen that [06:39] i get the feeling that no matter what a *real* solutien is going te be kerberos dependant [06:39] Niccke (~Sn00B@ip-39-197-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [06:40] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [06:42] I dont suppose anyone here has previously done a complete nfsv4 setup in slack..? [06:42] Yup. [06:45] i did it on non-slack, and it was trivial to get going, once you wrap your head around the changes [the need for a 'root' filesystem]. then again, shortly afterwards i abandoned it, because the solution became unstable under moderate to heavy load [06:45] erk.. not good [06:46] yeah, i was able to crash the nfs server within 2 minutes of it being brought on-line, with 40 clients waiting to remount shares. [06:46] thats precisely the type of thing i need to avoid [06:53] andrewtaylor_ (andrewtay@82.109.167.150) left ##slackware. [06:57] ot: a quick giggle re xfs support on RHEL: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=521173 : "We do support xfs, but you can only have mkfs.xfs if you pay extra" [06:59] yeah, bastards [06:59] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:00] lol, that's mad [07:00] and people wonder why i hate rhel so... [07:01] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [07:04] does centos also not include xfsprogs? [07:05] no centos does [07:05] centosplus [07:06] and you need to use centosplus kernel to use xfs [07:06] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:11] is centos really all that? [07:11] Its by no means "all that".. but its definitely an improvement on rhel because escaping redhat-imposed policy is easier [07:11] is centos linux? [07:12] Action: Delahunt goes to wiki [07:12] ah [07:12] its RHEL sources with the redhat images roplaced with centos and redhat binaries renamed to remove redhat from them [07:12] with numerous community extras available [07:14] hmm i'm surprised i didn't learn about it sooner [07:14] my first distro (aside from corel linux in 2000 which i totally forgot by then) was redhat 9 [07:15] hitest (~George@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:19] hi, if I do slackpkg update upgrade, will it update every pkg that I installed from the slackware installation? [07:20] fatherx: no [07:20] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:21] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6CEF0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:21] slackpkg update; slackpkg upgrade-all will, if you have setup the slackpkg mirror. [07:22] XGizzmo, thanks for the info [07:22] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [07:22] fatherx: blindly updateing is not a good idea, you really should read the changelog first. [07:23] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [07:23] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:24] XGizzmo, well im just playing around with a remote box that no one is using at home [07:25] goj (~goj@p4FE6D560.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [07:25] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [07:25] anyways thanks for the advice [07:26] hitest (~George@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:28] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF38B0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:31] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:36] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:36] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [07:37] andrew_46 (andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left ##slackware. [07:39] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:40] balls. Looks like my nfs problem this morning is actually a kernel xfs code bug [07:42] dtanner (~dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:43] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:46] fingers crossed for 13.1 sometime soon and that the bug doesnt lead to a panic as it has with others.. then 13.1 will fix [07:46] otherwise its a manual kernel update :/ [07:46] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [07:46] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: l8r [07:47] Zordrak: are you running a -current kernel? [07:47] alienBOB: no.. this is on a 29.6 13.0 [07:47] 64 [07:48] Ah [07:48] alienBOB: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13375 [07:48] I think 13.1 will not be "soon". Some things need attantion still [07:48] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:48] alienBOB: thanks.. will consider a manual kernel update [07:49] Action: GooseYArd yawns [07:49] morning fellows [07:49] jery (~jery@116.68.82.27) joined ##slackware. [07:49] alienBOB: while you're there.. any idea on the state of play regarding kerberos? [07:49] alienBOB: tied to the pam decision? or just separate and not within pat's worthiness window? [07:49] I have not touched kerberos in a long time [07:50] *nod* [07:50] But if I had to work on it, I'd go for heimdal [07:50] yes, i had the same conclusion [07:50] Zordrak: PAM is not in the picture [07:51] alienBOB: indeed.. im still putting my hopes on it entering 14.0 [07:51] but thought there might be room for heimdal either with it or before it [07:52] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. 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[09:03] Hello [09:03] greetings [09:03] i need help ugprading to slackware 13 from slackware 12 [09:04] its an openvz image which size is 24mb [09:04] so it's a very basic slackware [09:04] x-ip: read the UPGRADE.txt on your favoriate mirror [09:04] only 4 mb on ram x'D [09:04] i'm doing [09:04] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/UPGRADE.TXT [09:04] x-ip: but you'll probably have to go to 12.1 then 12.2 then 13 [09:04] slack in 24 megs? o_o [09:04] uhh [09:04] my question is that i can't wait to download ALL the packages from slackware 13 ftp [09:04] Dominia, why is that, by the way? [09:04] yeah slava_dp http://old.openvz.org/download/template/cache/ [09:05] mancha: jumping from 12 to 13 is definitely possible, doing upgrades in version jumps is usually safer. [09:05] mancha: Frankly, I'd go all out and do the jump and pray.. but if its a production system... I'd do the step up routine [09:05] Dominian, since it's a very basic slack i think its fine 12 to 13 [09:05] yeah i have heard that, just wondering why [09:05] well ... going back to my question [09:05] mancha: changes in gcc/glibc/glibc-solibs etc.. can render some things unusable at times.. it used to be that way at least.. it may be fine now for all I know. [09:06] i will upgrade the package tools and then the glibc [09:06] Well, do what the upgrade.txt tells yah :) [09:06] but yes.. usually pkgtools.. glibc-solibs then the rest iirc [09:06] ah ok, so you keep the difference between the new glibc and the version of glibc used for the un=upgraded pkgs to a minimum at all times [09:07] my problem is step 3 [09:07] by going in stages [09:07] mancha: basically.. to make sure you can still jump to and fro [09:07] there are a lot of slackware packages x'D [09:07] x-ip: the other issue you'll hit is with 12.2 iirc.. when xz was introduced [09:07] it'll take me a lot of time waiting all the package to be downloaded [09:07] ouch! [09:07] you are right Dominian [09:07] xz came in 13.0 [09:07] but that's easily fixed [09:07] slava_dp: right [09:07] my bad [09:07] 13 [09:08] x-ip: easily fixed.. once you've confirmed that 12.2 is stable.. just download the source files.. build scripts... build your own package.. insatll it.. then you can continue [09:08] yes.. I've done this :P [09:08] i guess if this were production i'd do a clean install [09:08] mancha: aye [09:08] wut? xz is tgz [09:08] I usually 'test' in a VM first [09:08] slava_dp: txz [09:09] its ummp... crap what compress is that called... [09:09] xz and pkgtools are tgz [09:09] mancha: for now [09:09] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/slackware/a/xz-4.999.8beta-i486-1.tgz [09:09] that will eventually change. [09:09] xz is tgz [09:09] slava_dp: you're missing my point [09:09] thanks Dominian [09:10] if you try to upgrade from 12.2 to 13 without xz installed etc.. .. you upgrade pkgtools.. and suddenly when the system goes to upgrade packages that ARE .txz... if you don't have the support.. what happens? [09:10] right you need to install xz and upgrade pkgtools presumably [09:11] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:11] yep [09:11] absolutely. 12.2 -> 13.0 you upgrade pkgtools+tar+xz, then glibc-solibs, then the rest. [09:11] actually [09:11] you have to upgrade gzip too iirc [09:11] pkgtools tar xz gzip [09:11] and I think ther eis one other.. [09:12] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.32.132) left irc: Quit: I'll be back... [09:12] First off, make sure you upgradepkg pkgtools, gzip, and tar. Then install the xz package if its not already installed. If it is, then upgradepkg xz as well. [09:12] got it [09:12] :) [09:12] Busindre (Busindre@unaffiliated/busi) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:12] i'll upgrade only what i have at /var/log/packages with pkgtools and glibc [09:12] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:12] x-ip: that quote I just posted is from an article I did when I upgraded from Slamd64 to Slackware64 [09:14] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp-108-194.redrover.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [09:14] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [09:17] http://pastebin.com/HzaXCcPh those are all the packages i got installed with the slack12 openvz template (i installed mc to make my life more easier while downloading packages by ftp) [09:17] raendeer (1000@rrdhcp-108-194.redrover.cornell.edu) left irc: Client Quit [09:20] ok i got a problem with xz [09:21] i need to upgrade glibc before xz will work [09:21] Action: x-ip thinks about using glibc from slack12 ... hmmm [09:21] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:24] Action: x-ip yahooo it works :) [09:24] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-129.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:25] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.7.83) joined ##slackware. [09:25] mako-dono (~mako@81.22.30.238) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:26] Now upgraded my kernel (added in current) and I want to aks you can I stop rc.modules for the older kernels or it shoult be running? [09:26] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [09:27] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Quit: gyroscope [09:27] mako-dono (~mako@81.22.30.79) joined ##slackware. [09:27] it'll use the rc.mules with the right kernel name and default to rc.modules if not present [09:29] it'll run the newest one by default [09:29] rc.mules? :> [09:30] giddyup! [09:30] so I can stop the older withpout problems? [09:30] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:30] rc.modules! [09:31] what do you mean "stop" ? it's not a daemon [09:32] in /etc/rc.d there is rc.modules for every kernel [09:32] I'm aware [09:32] I want to say that they are loaded [09:33] delete old ones if you want, there is no harm in that [09:33] what does rc.modules do anyway? I always load my modules in rc.local. [09:40] estranho (~estranho@201.36.223.82) joined ##slackware. [09:40] estranho (~estranho@201.36.223.82) left irc: Changing host [09:40] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [09:40] InTel_GB (intel@95.43.7.83) left ##slackware. [09:42] heh (rc.mules) :) [09:44] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:45] does the slackware install disk contain memtest86? [09:45] can't recall [09:45] Niccke (~Sn00B@ip-91-60-179-93.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [09:48] slava i wanna say no cause you need that to boot up from the media and no option for this iirc [09:48] I cant watch dvd movies in xine say unreadable source [09:49] but I can access the move from the mount point [09:49] you might need a de-css'er [09:49] xine sucks anyway. ;) [09:49] I have kaffeine also [09:49] (just teasing) [09:50] :) [09:50] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:50] anyone here play supertux? [09:51] Action: adamk_ does. [09:51] cool!. ok got a problem. [09:51] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:52] there's a screen with a "RUN" sign on the ground and two piles of blocks next to each other oneis 5 blocks high the other 6. Try as i might, can't get tux over them [09:52] Hah. [09:53] Sorry, but it's been a while. I don't recall doing anything special. [09:53] WHich version of supertux is this? [09:53] 0.1.3 [09:54] cmon niels, return to our realm. nao! [09:54] Action: jg71 talks out loud [09:54] Alright, well with newer development builds I know you can move some blocks, but I don't believe that's possible in 0.1.3.. So I probably just jumped. [09:55] how about the coins in the blocks in the middle of the air? [09:55] mancha: Hmmm... DId you run before jumping? [09:55] yeah sure i am running my pengiun feet off [09:56] john_dee (~id@93-81-69-253.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:57] looks clumsy [09:57] mancha: Are you on the first level? [09:57] yes [09:58] ok, got the screen again, and i'm fucked [09:58] Did you get the boulder that makes you big? [09:58] yeah i'm big [09:58] Because you can punch through the blocks earlier in the level and get at those coinse. [09:58] coins even. [09:58] v4nelle (~van@79.107.205.64) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:58] i punched through but can't get the top ones [09:59] Run and jump. [09:59] seems i have to jump and be stepping on what's left of the lower blocks (as a ledge) to get the top ones but can't get on the lower blocks [09:59] It's certainly possible. [10:00] Action: XGizzmo logs this valuable tech support. :) [10:00] mancha: Jump and break the blocks in the first column. THen you have an opening to jump onto the lower level. [10:00] i can't reach the lower level [10:01] i just miss it like i do on this pile of 5 and 6 [10:01] Well I can't exactly play the game for you :-) [10:01] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:01] ok, i will conclude the program is broken! :) [10:02] Yeah, I just played through that first level. [10:02] I'm going to theorize that you really aren't running. [10:03] isn't right arrow running? [10:03] No. That's moving right. [10:03] ok, i feel a d'oh moment fast approaching.... [10:03] how do i run? [10:03] Check your keybindings. [10:03] In options. [10:03] I'm pretty sure I've changed mine from the default. [10:04] aha, left control [10:04] Niccke, get libdvd* from slackbuilds.org and your dvds will play fine. [10:04] brb [10:05] slava_dp ah thanks Im searching my ass of over here :) [10:06] Niccke, http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=libdvd&sv=13.0 [10:07] i made it into the igloo!@# [10:07] Action: mancha thanks adamk [10:07] lol@mancha :-) [10:07] thanks running like a god now :) [10:09] undurundur (~undurundu@222.124.156.231) joined ##slackware. [10:09] heh, wow, what a difference running makes, on level 4 alrewady [10:09] Action: Zordrak is rueing this epic battle to attempt to finally rid this organisation of CVS [10:10] gud lak, Zordrak [10:10] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:10] Yay.. I've done my good deed for the day. [10:13] what a productive community we are [10:13] nee-chan (~Mantosky@82-171-26-177.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. 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[11:17] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [11:17] removepkg also solves problems [11:20] NaCl: i thought keeping libs what the base system uses and libs from slackbuilds seperate, would be a good idea? [11:20] separating them wouldn't do much [11:21] NaCl: visibly, they might help in solving problems?! [11:21] maybe, but still, if you know what's in a particular package, it wouldn't be hard to find what's missing. [11:21] Or broken [11:22] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [11:23] SALT!!! [11:23] i think slackbuilds default to /usr anyway, so i will keep it at that! [11:23] you've been outlawed by the feds!!! [11:24] NaCl: it makes sense to have everything in the same place, easier to manage [11:25] well, if you were doing it manually (more like BSD), that makes sense. [11:25] tripFantastic: woo [11:25] heh [11:25] dustybin: but here, we use the pkgtools to do most of that, so it shouldn't be hard to clean stuff up. [11:25] Same thing in BSDs. 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[11:28] thanks [11:28] yw [11:29] ANL [11:29] ap is important too [11:29] heh [11:29] and d [11:29] and grab mc from ap/ [11:29] then i will download the latest stable kernel version from kernel.org [11:29] then you need d/ too [11:29] dustybin: install the d series, otherwise you won't even have a compiler [11:29] eek ok [11:29] ANLD [11:29] why are you ficking around? LOL [11:30] dustybin: ap has things like man [11:30] and vim [11:30] lol might as well get em all [11:30] this looks easy [11:30] http://muaythaimaster74.blogspot.com/2009/03/how-to-compile-slackware-kernel.html [11:30] except: [11:31] eftxxap [11:31] nor y [11:31] well get y [11:31] vim is essential [11:31] tripFantastic: y is essential [11:31] nods [11:31] hey guys, anyoen use openvpn? [11:31] Razec (1000@189-92-30-203.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:31] Alan_Hicks does [11:32] tripFantastic: you ditch x, but not kde? [11:32] ah [11:32] -kde* [11:32] undurundur (undurundu@222.124.156.231) left ##slackware. [11:32] Dominian: what's up with that tard in #postfix? [11:32] thumbs: dunno he's an idiot [11:33] I'm now 'ignoring' him [11:33] Action: NaCl does full installs [11:33] i got a invitation from denny's to celebrate my b'day. [11:33] i install on the fly/ [11:35] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:36] without F, am i missing all the docs? [11:36] lf4 (~KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [11:36] Dominian: we need rob heh. [11:36] nop [11:37] dustybin: just install it, look at whats in it, and if you don't want it, removepkg it [11:37] ace :D [11:37] fungo_ (~wangbo@2001:0:53aa:64c:c15:267d:210b:1d66) joined ##slackware. [11:37] dustybin: either way, what's wrong with having a bunch of software on the system that is doing nothing if you have enough HDD space for it? [11:39] i hate the thought of clutter [11:39] Are you going to be perusing through /usr a lot? [11:39] maybe not [11:39] an unused bin is not clutter. [11:40] if you know a unused bin's name, then it's in use. [11:40] Action: NaCl knows of mc but doesn't use it [11:40] e.g. ^ [11:40] coward [11:40] heh [11:40] maybe I will later. [11:41] pff [11:41] i think the biggest problem i will have is with applications what have lots of deps, like mythtv [11:41] dustybin: YES [11:41] For example, I was trying to build darcs yesterday. [11:41] there is a mythtv slackbuild, but that doesnt cover the deps [11:42] required a bunch of haskell libs for which there was no build [11:42] And I had to make them [11:42] dustybin: and then keeping up with those. managing mythtv on slackware was a major pain [11:42] eeek [11:43] jery (~jery@116.68.82.27) joined ##slackware. [11:43] there must be a logical way to make it easier [11:43] a dep is just another bit of software [11:43] i've ran mythtv on slack for years. took more time than i wanted. eventually i no longer needed the pvr functionality, only HTPC components [11:44] ok! [11:44] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:44] i can name a non-myth.tv tool in one word [11:44] there are live cd versions of myth and vdr [11:44] ananke: there isnt that much deps for mythtv?!.. [11:44] any challnges? [11:44] fungo_ (~wangbo@2001:0:53aa:64c:c15:267d:210b:1d66) left irc: Quit: sleep [11:44] ffmpeg [11:44] nop [11:44] audio [11:44] too bad mythtv is stuck on the 2002 look/interface [11:44] at [11:44] ananke: not now, try .23 [11:44] NightTiger (~derekm@ottawa-hs-64-26-171-99.s-ip.magma.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:45] lol, they redid it completely in qt4 [11:45] i switched away from kde4 and everything seems more responsive now [11:45] i think smoe of the window effects must have been slow on my netbook [11:45] dustybin: i'll be honest with you. i found it much easier to manage mythtv on another distro. then i completely abandoned mythv for xbmc, and eventually moved off linux and xbmc. my current solution requires very little effort to set up [11:46] dustybin: looks like .23 is still a release candidate [11:46] hard to measure, but i doubt it is entirely placebo effect [11:46] lf4 (~KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:46] ananke: indeed it is, archlight theme looks pretty good [11:47] ananke: I use xbmc on slackware, right now. [11:47] I much prefer it instead of mythtv [11:47] dustybin: looks like they finally moved with the look and feel. elements have been borrowed from xbmc [11:47] can xmbc manage television? [11:48] or is it just a media player [11:48] dustybin: it's a media player [11:48] thumbs: i use plex on macosx. found it to be the cleanest looking and easiest to work with [11:49] ananke: I'm debating getting a mac mini for that sole purpose, too. [11:49] ananke: the price is a bit steep. [11:49] no way, surely not apple [11:49] thumbs: i love it. essentially zero maintenance, and has all the elements i need: spdif audio, dvi video, remote, sleep, etc [11:50] thumbs: it is, but then again to find an equivalent in the pc world is still hard, to get that functionality [11:50] ananke: yeah, I'll probably buy one. It can read smb: shares, right? [11:50] thumbs: yes [11:50] ananke: terrific. Thanks. [11:51] not to mention that i have a very old one [core 1.6ghz] with intel video, and it plays 720p without a hitch [11:52] ananke: bah, I have an old CRT tube. HD is not a concern to me. [11:52] I'd spend money on a better TV before an upgraded dvr ;) [11:52] thumbs: once you try it, it will be a concern. you'll hate it, and won't go back :) [11:53] ananke: yeah, I'm not plunging into HD for that reason. [11:54] have you guys seen the design for the new $100US bill? [11:54] Skywise: I would have to travel south to see it! [11:54] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [11:54] why? TVs are pretty cheap these days. you can probably pick up a 720p for a few hundred bucks [11:54] well, it makes me think that the next version of currency will have flash on it [11:54] thrice`: was given to me for my birthday, years ago. I'd feel bad selling it. [11:55] i'd wait for cheap led tvs [11:55] it's not a puppy, it's a tv. you can sell it [11:55] they're much more saturated and rich then lcd [11:57] lf4 (~KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [11:58] or put it into the bed room or kitchen [12:01] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:01] My tube tv is dedicated to NES and SNES. That is the optimal use. [12:02] am i nuts for `cat 250megfile | sort' ?? [12:02] i still have my nes, snes and sega genesis, the last console i'll ever buy [12:06] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:09] cfdisk (~cfdisk@unaffiliated/cfdisk) joined ##slackware. [12:10] i have my brother's nes and genesis, and my own snes [12:11] i figure that if i physically possess game cartridges, then it is legal for me to have rom images of those games [12:11] legend of zelda is still my favorite game [12:11] and sonic the hedge hog is 2nd [12:11] i prefer emulators over the real deal [12:11] legend of thrice's mom is my favorite [12:11] doh [12:11] instant save anywhere is a great feature [12:11] emulators run too fast tho [12:12] its hard for me to get the speed adjusted [12:12] i've seen emulators that correctly emulate the timing [12:12] cool [12:13] i have a wireless gamepad, but thats also laggy [12:13] 2 usb game pads here, for the rare multi-player games [12:13] i play games on the pc now, so when i use a console, it seems so sluggish and unresponsive [12:13] yeah, i think usb would be better [12:13] i love how cosole games just work. no compatibility issues. [12:14] also, no self-destructive DRM issues [12:14] yeah, cracked games are still better then retail [12:14] don't need the cd or other nags [12:15] I will rue the day that consoles must be online to function [12:15] i don't think its gonna happen for anything other then xbox [12:16] but even they're discontiuning support for the original xbox now [12:16] Azeotrope (~JBauer@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [12:16] Azeotrope (~JBauer@193.239.140.184) left irc: Changing host [12:16] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [12:16] the ps3 does not reliably play ps2 games [12:17] v4nelle (~van@79.107.253.14) joined ##slackware. [12:17] backwards compatibility used to be a key feature now its treated like a burden cause you can't obsolete and force people to buy more hardware if you don't [12:18] EA turns off game servers in 2 or 3 years, and are adding more online-only content to their games. i wouldn't be surprised if some day bug fixes are tied to the game servers. bought a 5 year old used game, and they patched a critical bug? tough, no fix for you. [12:18] coolkehon (~second@confusion.ironsunrise.com) left irc: Changing host [12:18] coolkehon (~second@unaffiliated/sec0nd) joined ##slackware. [12:18] i rarely see more then a single patch [12:19] especially when it comes to things like glitches in maps or textures [12:19] it is funny that the ps3 is fully compatible with the ps1, but not with the ps2 [12:20] yeah i'm sure its only drm related as well [12:20] i think it has to do with hardware costs [12:20] I'm gonna ask a slackware unrelated question: Can I use python to create a OpenSource Intelligence gathering app that will use freely available repos as FBI's wanted, Facebook, hi5, etc? [12:21] snort [12:21] gaz (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:21] i dunno, canyou [12:21] Python wouldn't be any worse than any other choice [12:22] pi31415: what would be the best choice? [12:22] i think the real issues are you abilities [12:22] there is no best choice [12:22] people have been scraping web sites since there have been web sites [12:22] Azeotrope: The best tool for this job is the one you know best. [12:22] some even sell the service as data mining [12:23] some would argue Perl, but not me [12:23] bash [12:23] i would rather debug python than bash [12:23] pi31415: If you knew perl best, then I would argue for it. But otherwise.. no. :) [12:23] if you can't do it in bash, then your skillz are weak [12:23] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@unaffiliated/raph0x88) joined ##slackware. [12:24] Skywise: Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD [12:24] also, bash is actually bash + hundreds of utilities. Python has it all in the box. [12:24] oh goody a programming argument [12:25] gooseyard: that is what the Internet was made for! [12:25] most of the time it doesn't, but when it comes to being a true ninja bash is what it takes [12:25] LOL; BOFH: in disk space, no one can hear your files scream!!! [12:25] Skywise: nice argument.. ninjas are cool. [12:25] Much better than pirates. [12:26] the best language to write a program in is the one that gets you paid the most [12:26] I wouldn't use bash because I want it usable by win32 ppl too [12:26] but, pirates have loot and rum [12:26] or the one that gives you job security. [12:26] GooseYArd, if that was true, we'd all be doing ada for jpl [12:26] mcury (~mcury@189.24.8.87) joined ##slackware. [12:26] i'd use forth. [12:26] i would rather debug bash than forth [12:26] in write-only mode [12:27] if you don't believe me, try using a mac with nothing but OFW [12:27] pi31415 you are redundant! [12:27] Skywise: my scheme was to get loaded on stock options writing shitty c programs [12:27] :) [12:27] PipI [12:27] tripFantastic: redundancy has value [12:27] not in mentalality [12:28] Sybil [12:28] lol [12:28] One more thing. I need to learn SQL. Where do I start? [12:28] noSQL [12:28] select [12:28] select [12:28] ahah [12:28] not sure what mentalality is, but in communication it is necessary [12:28] jinx [12:28] Action: GooseYArd smacks skywise [12:28] :) [12:28] lol [12:28] eschew the syntax that reads like english; it'll lead to unyaccable queries [12:28] lol [12:28] Azeotrope: id install sqlite and get a book [12:29] first i'd read about database design [12:29] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: peace [12:29] mcury (~mcury@189.24.8.87) left irc: Client Quit [12:29] Azeotrope seek the nosql method. [12:29] learn the concepts and the practical steps will make more sense [12:29] yeah if youre going to put data in as well as get it out, take a class [12:29] GooseYArd: ok. thanksd [12:29] learn the relational algebra [12:30] i design databases all the time and i'm never happy with it [12:30] i tried using some of those horrible modelling layer things [12:30] dreadful [12:31] first you establish the logical relationships, but then you come up against performance limitatinos [12:31] yeah, they're pretty cumbersome [12:31] its like you should finish your project first and then draw it in the app, because they don't help you figure anything out [12:31] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [12:32] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.104.240) joined ##slackware. [12:32] tripFantastic: which nosql do you use [12:32] i am a riak man [12:32] btree baby [12:33] anyone even use berkelyDB anymore? [12:34] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@unaffiliated/raph0x88) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:34] Lots of people [12:34] GooseYArd std usr/bin tools :)_ [12:34] Skywise: yup [12:34] Skywise: iirc, FreeBSD's packaging system usees berkely as a backend [12:35] i use the hell out of them [12:35] forget nosql, thats still too much overhead, grep and a flatfile ftw! [12:35] that's wht nosql is, standard tools only. [12:36] couchdb, riak, etc are also in that category [12:36] i just reduced a 256meg file to 14meg. [12:36] key value stores with map/reduce [12:37] BigTable [12:37] too bad elinks still cant handle a file that large [12:38] its true not every database needs to be relational [12:38] i'm not relational [12:38] :) [12:38] jgor (~jgor@loki.indiecom.org) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:38] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.104.240) left irc: Quit: We were always meant to say goodbye... [12:39] damn, you folks are too serious :) [12:39] jgor (jgor@odin.indiecom.org) joined ##slackware. [12:40] i like mysql but can't stand postgres or oracle [12:41] i should be working right now [12:41] problem here :S [12:42] getting /usr/lib/gcc/i486-slackware-linux/4.3.3/../../../../i486-slackware-linux/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory collect2: ld returned 1 exit status [12:42] when i try to compile with gcc whatever [12:42] i have binutils and glibc-solib installed [12:42] what could i be missing ? [12:42] nee-chan (~Mantosky@82-171-26-177.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:43] mysql sucks [12:43] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.0.245) joined ##slackware. [12:43] postgresql > mysql [12:43] bah [12:44] vacuum your database lately? lol [12:44] ehehe [12:45] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackboot/mini/13.0/ [12:45] my spare box is a p4 2.8 32-bit [12:45] should i use the i486 image? [12:45] x-ip: how are you invoking the linker? [12:46] Nigromante (~Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] Sadnem (dimwit@anonymous-212-227-54-53.broker.freenet6.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] GooseYArd, gcc s.c -o foo [12:47] 'googling' i found surely is a problem with libc6 or glibc [12:47] Guys, i want to insert the content of a text file in a specific position of another one. How can i do it? [12:48] maybe i'm missing glibc...txz ... trying ... [12:48] x-ip, do you have glibc installed? [12:48] somehting like cat file1 >>file2 [12:48] in vim, move cursor, then :r filename [12:48] use an editor that can insert [12:48] but that wouldnt add the ontent on the position that i want [12:48] yep thrice` trying that right now :) [12:48] x-ip, toolchain is headers + binutils + glibc + gcc (plus stuff like libtool, and whatever autotools/cmake crap you need) [12:48] you could just cut the first file and then cat them all together again [12:48] thanks thrice` i needed that :) [12:49] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:54] Action: dustybin tightens the slack [12:55] dios_mio (1000@88.242.168.89) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:55] Sadnem: I'm sure you can do that with some sed command... :) [12:56] I have realised that i can [12:56] split the original file into 2 [12:56] then i cat text >> file1 [12:56] and then cat file2 >> file1 [12:56] that should work [12:56] i guess [12:56] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:56] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [12:57] Sadnem: it will work :) [12:57] :) [12:57] where can i ask question related to openoffice ? [12:57] an office [13:00] oxiredo_ro: openoffice's irc channel [13:06] im going to install slackware with lvm partitions :D [13:06] stop talking crazy talk man [13:06] padhu (~Padhu@58.68.66.251) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [13:06] GooseYArd: is that not possible? [13:07] nope its fine [13:07] o_0 [13:07] i am obnoxious [13:07] right.. 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[13:40] hello all [13:41] impss: I couldn't get mine to boot at all, I had to use a boot disk and run lilo from there [13:42] yeah did you edit fstab ....i used an older current awhile ago ..and im sure i did that [13:42] is slackware-current a bit like debian unstable? or is that ok to use? [13:42] impss: almost 100% guaranteed your new kernel sees drives as sd* [13:43] dustybin: slackware-current is like debian unstable, but stable. [13:43] yeah would that be right eviljames ..edit fstab before reboot then edit lilo once it done ? [13:43] eviljames: im doing a network install, is it a good idea to grab everything from slackware current? [13:43] dustybin: I have 64-current on all my home systems, my workstation is being converted today. [13:43] dustybin: In general, always install everything in Slackware unless you are certain you know what you are doing. [13:44] ftp://ftp.slackware.org.uk/slackware/ <-- i need to decide from here [13:44] impss: Yeah, but lilo most likely will fail. You'll probably need to use disc 1 to fix it. [13:44] the whole idea of me doing a network install is so i can grab the latest patches etc ? [13:44] i think i entered a command at lilo [13:44] or maybe it doesnt work like that [13:44] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:45] impss: If you know how to use the lilo command line it should be doable. [13:45] can you hit tab or something at lilo to give a prompt [13:45] that what i did last time [13:45] impss: It seems you won't need much more of my help. :D [13:45] cant remember who told me [13:46] trouble i forgot what typed in :( [13:46] dustybin: well, yes and no I guess. -current is the 'unstable / development' version. This means it's still more stable than nearly any other distro out there. [13:47] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:47] eviljames: oh thats ok, i will use stable version :D [13:47] dustybin: What I would probably do is install most of a/ ap/ and n/ from 13.0 then read the ChangeLog.txt file to see what to remove. rsync -current from your local mirror, remove the aforementioned packages, then upgrade/install all. [13:48] dustybin: Being _very_ careful about things like what impss is discussing. [13:49] im now at the 'SELECT PROMPTING MODE' [13:49] full / menu / expert / newbie / custom / tagpath [13:49] the menu option sounds viable [13:50] Axius (~hi@92.84.22.107) joined ##slackware. [13:50] dustybin: Does your HD show up as hda or sda? [13:50] hda [13:50] eviljames, do you know what i would type in at lilo prompt to boot current generic kernel ? [13:50] dustybin: Ok, prepare for pain :P [13:51] eviljames: ive setup lvm partitions for the system [13:51] eviljames: why?! [13:51] well, you're further ahead than I am then. I don't use lvm... [13:51] everybody should use lvm, there is no reason not to [13:52] how about when you lose a volume you lose a random part of your file system [13:53] installing ==>a<== [13:53] Skywise: backups dear watson, backups [13:53] lvm snapshots [13:53] impss: Not offhand, no. [13:53] ok [13:53] impss: something like "linux root=/dev/sda1 ro" [13:53] its time to make a cup of tea [13:54] yeah think thats what i used before [13:54] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [13:55] slackerpete (~slackerpe@86.154.105.133) joined ##slackware. [13:55] here goes :) [13:55] Those who are tweakers should obviously get http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/bootchart/ [13:55] impss (~impps@212.183.140.23) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:57] installing ==>d<== [13:58] dustybin: You put a/ ap/ d/ and n/ ? [13:59] A / AP / D / F / L / N / X [13:59] impss (~impps@212.183.140.23) joined ##slackware. [13:59] most of those bits will be essential for mythtv frontend [14:00] worked like a dream :D [14:00] 2.6.33.1 [14:00] impss: awesome. Now you have to update lilo.conf and re-run lilo of course :P [14:00] eviljames, yeah change hda to sda [14:00] dustybin: Ok, this is net install of -current? [14:01] ive always wanted to dowload kernel source code directly from kernel.org and compile myself, never done that before, that will be my first task [14:01] eviljames: net install of slackware-13 not current [14:01] dustybin: if you're using 13.0 and want a mythtv frontend, you'll want xap/ as well. [14:01] eeeek [14:01] dam [14:01] no problem, though. [14:02] Action: x-ip is migrating all servers from debian to slackware ... muahahahahaha [14:02] i will manually pkg install them after?! [14:02] dustybin: Something like: $ rsync -azPv [your mirror]/slackware-13.0/slackware/xap . && cd xap && su -c 'upgradepkg --install-new *t?z' [14:02] interesting [14:02] eviljames, im getting errors from lilo ....Warning: LBA32 addressing assumed and Fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/hda") [14:02] raid_setup eep. [14:03] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-072-177-037.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:03] worked fine when i did this on my lappy [14:03] The LBA32 thing is just a warning, you can ignore it if you want. [14:03] impss: The raid setup I can't help you with. LBA32 addressing is a single line near the top of the file that reads "lba32" to stop the warning. [14:03] yeah [14:03] but [14:03] could it be initrd ? [14:03] are you using an initrd? It could be that it reads "hda" instead of "sda" [14:03] yep [14:04] rerun it ? [14:04] command [14:04] bet you 5 bucks that /dev/hda doesn't exist, and that's why the file can't be stat'd [14:04] Axius (~hi@92.84.22.107) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:04] ill rerun initrd see what happens [14:06] no same [14:06] :( [14:07] no my fault [14:07] i didnt edit lilo proper :( [14:07] gtludwig (~gtludwig@201.47.44.136.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:13] guaxinim (~guax@201-25-243-115.fnsce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:13] guaxinim (~guax@201-25-243-115.fnsce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Changing host [14:13] guaxinim (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [14:16] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:16] Nick change: jkwood -> fdrpg|jkwood [14:17] impss (~impps@212.183.140.23) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:20] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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I put the gnome in my slackware from gnomeslackbuild and the nautilus open it self each folder I open... how can I change that? [14:27] kannan (~kannan@118.102.142.210) joined ##slackware. [14:27] garme (garme@189.17.129.210) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:28] i00nsu: google on "nautilus disable spatial mode" [14:28] i00nsu i didn't get the question, rephrase pls [14:28] surrounder, did ;) [14:28] thanks [14:28] np [14:28] i00nsu i could tell you to google too ;) [14:29] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) joined ##slackware. [14:30] hi guys, can anyone tell me where is dhcpd in slackware 13.0? [14:30] fatherx: in n/ [14:31] rome be original :P [14:31] hey guys, i just wanted to tell you that some might know me as nph0rm [14:31] garme (~garme@189.17.129.210) joined ##slackware. [14:31] garme (garme@189.17.129.210) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:31] rome is my original name though [14:31] garme (~garme@189.17.129.210) joined ##slackware. [14:34] well rome wasn't compiled on one day. [14:34] it didn't even burn down in one [14:34] now it seems to be build and at your service [14:35] BP{k}: lol [14:35] garme (garme@189.17.129.210) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:36] i am using slackware 13 for some days now, so i am a so called newbie [14:36] jery (~jery@116.68.82.27) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:37] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:40] crashdata (~crashdata@S01060016b66bdd19.vf.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] Working as I like many thanks surrounder again! [14:40] hello [14:42] i00nsu: hehe np :) [14:47] geckos (~geckos@c953b03d.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:49] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:50] eviljames, do you know where to get the pxelinux.0? 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[15:00] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:01] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:02] Goliath (~shockrate@77.49.103.214.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:02] How can i enable spellcheck in openoffice? [15:09] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:11] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [15:13] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) joined ##slackware. [15:14] yuger (~75c83058@gateway/web/freenode/x-fytguytdusltpiop) joined ##slackware. [15:14] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [15:20] yuger (~75c83058@gateway/web/freenode/x-fytguytdusltpiop) left irc: Quit: Page closed [15:21] Goliath: wrong channel. [15:21] syslinux stuff should actually be in /usr/lib, not /usr/share [15:22] oh, he left [15:22] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-223-205.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:23] impss (~impps@212.183.140.33) joined ##slackware. [15:23] my base system tools are i486, should i re-compile them for i686 what would be more optimized for my P4 CPU ? [15:23] or is that a waste of time?! [15:23] the binaries are already optimized for i686 [15:24] oh ace :D [15:24] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] i keep on getting a fatal error [15:25] There was a fatal error attempting to install [15:26] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-2-246.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:26] /var/log/mount/treecache/slackware/l/tango-icon-theme-0.8.90-noarc .. [15:26] The package may be corrupt etc [15:26] could this be down to the mirror [15:26] 1) stop pushing enter so much. 2) google "how to ask smart questions" [15:27] ok.. [15:27] anyone use rt3070sta wifi driver ...i was told it's in the newer kernel ..im in 33.1 now and cant find it [15:27] it could be a bad download, sure. are you using only the net-install ? if it happens for just that package, you can download and install it after the fact. if it's more than 1 or 2, you should figure out why that's happening [15:30] aye thanks [15:32] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:38] kannan (~kannan@118.102.142.210) left irc: [15:41] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:41] wertik_rus (~wertik@194.186.53.165) joined ##slackware. [15:42] Goliath (~shockrate@77.49.103.214.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [15:43] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:43] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [15:49] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) joined ##slackware. [15:52] Nick change: fdrpg|jkwood -> freedroid|jkwood [15:52] impss, thats not ralink is it? [15:53] i have the rt3090 i just went to ralink website an downloaded the driver [15:53] yeah ...default slackware uses rt2870sta but the rt3070sta is the better driver [15:53] ic [15:54] check out their website [15:54] i thought it was in the newer kernel but it isnt [15:54] i will thanks [15:54] ic, np [15:55] freack (~frk@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:55] anyone have a good link to a SlackBuild for libgcrypt for Slackware 13? trying to get pidgin up and going, but no luck [15:56] you upgraded pidgin v6CommO ? [15:57] impss: no...never used it on this machine [15:57] impss: but it is the most current version [15:57] impss: if there was a Slackware Security patch, I may have done so in haste in SlackPkg [15:58] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:58] i just upgraded pidgin and it works fin [15:58] e [15:58] impss: what version? [15:59] 2.6.6 i think it is [15:59] yeah...some one here. You build from source? [16:00] no ,..slackpkg upgrade pidgin [16:00] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-072-177-037.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:00] v6CommO, http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-current/source/n/libgcrypt/ [16:00] err [16:00] i tried another mirror, same error, i think the installation process doesnt like my lvm partitions [16:00] echelon: same package for 64 and 32 bit? [16:00] v6CommO, sorry... http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/source/n/libgcrypt/ [16:01] thanks, echelon [16:01] np [16:03] v4nelle (~van@79.107.253.14) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:03] ahh work is goiing soo slow [16:03] yeah, work is for suckers [16:04] is there a way to update from slackware 11.0 to slackware 13.0? [16:04] lol, i have 2 hours gap between my clients.. [16:05] fatherx, erm.. i think it's recommended to upgrade from 11 to 12, then 13.. i'm not sure [16:05] heh i made a little mistake removing aaa_elflibs ( i thought they were to be used by elfes) and now ... i lost my shell, any ideas ? ^^ [16:05] echelon, can u just uncomment the slackpkg mirrors to 12? [16:05] echelon: you still need the source package, right? [16:05] will that do the trick? [16:05] any command seems to work [16:05] yes [16:05] cool [16:05] no, yes to v3gard [16:06] err.. v6CommO [16:06] is there slackpkg for 11.0? [16:06] i think so [16:06] as it has mirrors for 11.0 in the mirrors file [16:06] echelon, so its okay to upgrade it using slackpackage? [16:06] make sure to read the instructions in UPGRADE.TXT first [16:07] tell your system to use the backup drawf_libs [16:07] ahhh good to know [16:07] when new version comes out [16:08] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:10] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [16:10] x-ip: restore from the install disc. [16:11] LnxSlck (1000@89.214.252.67) joined ##slackware. [16:11] haqe17 (~minty@host-137-205-27-085.res.warwick.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:12] echelon: my bad...the bz2 wasn't DLing for some reason. Got it now [16:12] you building pidgin from source v6CommO ? [16:13] compiling [16:13] impss: no, but having issues with connecting to Google Talk [16:13] SSL/TLS errors...and gnutls is installed [16:13] oh right [16:14] little research points to libgcrypt being needed as well, so I figured to give it a go [16:14] thanks eviljames :) [16:18] if a slackbuild does not produce an installable pkg , does that mean that aforementioned slackbuild is not 'yet' compatible with -cur? [16:18] anyone have suspend to ram/disk set up? [16:18] wertik_rus (~wertik@194.186.53.165) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:18] what do you mean by not installable? [16:19] if it arrives at any problems it's supposed to exit, and there shouldn't be any package produced [16:20] actually yeah.. did not say it right [16:20] i get some errors or 'ignores' in make and no pkg output [16:20] when it finishes [16:20] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-76-98.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [16:21] what're the errors [16:22] have nothing atm sec to try a pkg and give you its output [in a pastebin probably] [16:22] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:27] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:27] FRSoldier (frsoldier@93.94.25.110) joined ##slackware. [16:27] Nick change: freedroid|jkwood -> jkwood [16:29] jery (~jery@116.68.82.27) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:32] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:38] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:38] slackerpete (~slackerpe@86.154.105.133) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:38] padhu (~Padhu@58.68.66.252) joined ##slackware. [16:38] whats the name of the ot channel? [16:40] echelon: http://pastebin.com/XBhn9uUR [16:41] part of the output from a point to the end [16:42] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:42] tpocra (~kvirc@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:42] Are the decryption keys for dm-crypt encrypted logical volumes ever stored in swap in addition to RAM? I need to figure out if I should encrypt the swap space of my host OS in order for the encrypted guests to stay safe. [16:42] it could end up on swap yes [16:43] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430454.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [16:43] mancha: Do you think it would be best to not have swap on the host OS (because it is only running Xen and sshd) or to encrypt the swap? [16:43] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430454.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:44] if you don't need the extra "ram" then don't use swap [16:44] mmmmh how do i compile a 32b perl module on a 64b system? [16:44] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:45] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] Drakevr, i don't see any errors. [16:46] which means? [16:47] i end up like that with choqok too (haven't tried any other yet) [16:47] i don't think you got the entire paste [16:48] LnxSlck_ (LnxSlck@188.140.89.71) joined ##slackware. [16:48] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-223-205.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:48] LnxSlck (1000@89.214.252.67) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:49] nop its not above that ther eare a couple more make msges like that and rest build (/configure?) output [16:50] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:52] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [16:53] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:56] xsamurai (~jamonyou@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [16:56] man, azeotrope's cloak cracks me up [16:57] i roq in supertux ever since i learned to run [16:59] echelon: any ideas? or should i remake a paste with fulll output? //gave you the last 1/2 part [16:59] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [16:59] you didn't paste what happened at the end [17:00] i did [17:00] Grifulkin (~Ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:00] the last make line is also the last line of the whole output [17:02] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-129.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:02] xsamurai (jamonyou@69.43.199.101) left ##slackware. [17:02] Hi, I want to boot the slack installation cd from a hard drive, how should I configure grub.cfg ? [17:03] Drakevr, did you run make yourself or ran the SlackBuild script? [17:03] echelon: the slackbuild script [17:03] padhu (~Padhu@58.68.66.252) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:03] it looked like it was the build was complete, but i don't see where makepkg is called [17:04] padhu (~Padhu@58.68.66.251) joined ##slackware. [17:05] seems like it stops before even executing make install [17:06] padhu (~Padhu@58.68.66.251) left irc: Client Quit [17:06] jonsmith1982 (~jon@212.183.140.21) joined ##slackware. [17:06] as i see taht is the next action in the script before stripping and calling makepkg [17:06] http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150434972168 some of you maybe interested in this [17:06] openmoko phone going cheap [17:07] don't spam [17:08] is flash dying very soon? [17:08] not yet. [17:08] painfully? hopefully so. [17:08] x-ip (~x-ip@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [17:08] websites aren't adopting html5 quickly enough [17:08] apple's declared war on it and google's moving beyond it [17:09] hah. quake in html5 is cool tho [17:09] i paid about £360 for that phone, would be happy with £50. that sound like a fair price? [17:09] those are two rather large enemies... [17:10] does it run slackware, jonsmith1982 ? [17:10] if not, then im not interested. [17:10] jg71 if you want it to. [17:10] garme (~garme@187.79.20.230) joined ##slackware. [17:10] may take some effort on your part. [17:10] Drakevr, are you on 13.0? [17:10] echelon: -current [17:10] hrm [17:11] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Quit: © [17:11] still building on my end [17:12] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:12] hmmmm, anyone have experience with ntchpasswd? [17:12] on my 13.0 desktop both centerim and choqok built fine [17:13] jonsmith1982: Was it no good? [17:13] the hardware wasn't great, then they went bust. [17:15] garme (~garme@187.79.20.230) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:15] Drakevr: read http://slackbuilds.org/faq/#bash4 [17:16] all of you should be in ##slackware-offtopic [17:16] Action: Necos pokes nix_chix0r [17:16] Action: nix_chix0r prods Necos [17:16] Drakevr, same here.. built without issue [17:16] check the dependencies [17:17] perhaps you may have to downgrade one of them [17:17] eviljames, community still seems to be active though. [17:17] hehehe how are ya nix_chix0r? [17:17] but i still can't figure anything out from that paste you sent [17:18] ah, so that's what it was [17:18] jd (~jd@bas1-montreal33-1279638690.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:18] jd (~jd@bas1-montreal33-1279638690.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Changing host [17:18] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [17:18] Necos, pretty great job offers are starting to pour in. start school in july now that i figured it out. [17:18] bash4? [17:18] how are you Necos [17:18] jonsmith1982: hm, interesting. I have a droid so I probably won't buy.. I didn't realize they had gone under though. [17:19] FRSoldier (frsoldier@93.94.25.110) left irc: Quit: life is but a dream [17:20] stopped development, more accurately, I lost interest about a year ago though so I struggling to remember what happened exactly. [17:20] NightTiger (~derekm@ottawa-hs-64-26-171-99.s-ip.magma.ca) left irc: Quit: NightTiger [17:20] 4.1 fail to better rtfm ... checked it and rebuilding will report accordingly [17:21] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:21] :) [17:21] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-76-98.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:22] ##slackware-offtopic is where the party is at yo [17:22] "GSM-noise buzz issue" was always my biggest problem with the phone, that and the poor battery life, otherwise it would have been usuable as an everyday phone. [17:25] have something else up on ebay, which seems a shame to throw away.... [17:25] haqe17 (~minty@host-137-205-27-085.res.warwick.ac.uk) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:25] a "semi brick" netgear WGR614L [17:25] bricked* [17:26] a wanted maaan [17:26] i just booted slackware for first time, kernel panic :D [17:26] well done, dustybin ;) [17:26] heh [17:27] what happened to the tux? it looks like a monkey [17:27] xsamurai (~jamonyou@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [17:28] seems you booted 13.0 ... it's some aussies animal, tusken raider err devil or somesuch soon extinct creature. [17:28] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:28] id only worry if it were sandpeople. [17:28] devil with cancer [17:28] cfdisk (~cfdisk@unaffiliated/cfdisk) joined ##slackware. [17:28] the problem is down to my LVM setup for sure [17:28] tasmanian devil. [17:29] Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,6) [17:29] AusLoki (~TheSecret@c-69-141-34-70.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:29] If you setup LVM, you have to use the generic kernel and create an initrd before you reboot after finishing the installation dustybin [17:29] Hello, I killed my sound and cant figure out why. [17:30] I wached a tv episode with mplaye which finished [17:30] went and had a shower and now no sound works [17:30] AusLoki: try removing /etc/asound.state and reboot [17:30] volume is at 100 [17:30] alienBOB: i followed this: http://www.unixwerk.eu/linux/slack/lvm2root.html#C03 [17:30] Rough but would help [17:30] alienBOB: Is it really necessary to reboot? [17:30] annoying the hell out of your neighbours something to do with it, AusLoki ? ;) try alsamixer [17:30] AusLoki: probably not, but I am not going to detail how to do it them [17:30] jg71: alsamixer is what I use for volume control, and it is at 100 [17:30] n [17:31] Ouchi (~michaelou@187.46.251.219) left irc: Quit: See you later !!!! [17:31] k, go with what alienblob said then [17:31] alienBOB: Well, what exactly do you think is wrong? [17:31] I shouldnt have to reboot, and would rather try and learn why this has happened [17:33] dustybin: I assume you did not use the _exact_ comands on that URL? Like, at least the kernel version to be used in the mkinitrd command is different for Slackware 13 [17:33] AusLoki: probably one of your apps is grabbing the audio device and refuses to release it [17:34] i always picture them caressing the audio but grabbing works [17:34] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-107-255.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [17:34] most likely ff or mplayer is still running in the bg [17:34] echelon: alienBOB it was the bash 4.1 issue with the missing || true in strip thank you , it build ok and the ppkg built works [17:35] you need to setup a sound daemon to avoid such issues [17:35] alienBOB: btw, you got eee pc 1000h with rt2680sta driver right? [17:35] spook: havent seen you in awhile , werent you crying over some evil vagina a couple months back ? [17:36] lol @ xsamurai [17:36] xsamurai: uh, yes and no. [17:36] also just been busy in general [17:37] alienBOB: and -current on it , is it stable to you ? stable as in working normally or bitching with timeouts and inability to get an ip for no reason about 1/3 of the time? [17:37] whats the general's name? ;) [17:37] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:38] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Changing host [17:38] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) joined ##slackware. [17:39] Drakevr: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/upgrading-the-eeepc-to-2-6-33/ [17:40] alienBOB, i followed ur direction on how to install using a bootable usb and accessing it through a hardrive partition (slack13) [17:40] are we nearly there (slackware 13++) yet? [17:40] alienBOB: would i really bother you if i haven't read that? [17:40] but could never get the system to find it [17:40] my partition is ext4 [17:41] is it better installing it using NFS? or can i just extract the whole cd to a pend drive? [17:41] with the installer image u created? [17:41] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [17:42] impss (~impps@212.183.140.33) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:42] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [17:42] crashdata: I may think about answering if you care about ur -> your and u -> you [17:43] alienBOB++ [17:43] first thing - what directions? I wrote several things about bootable USB pendrives [17:44] ok [17:44] rmmod snd_hda_intel -f seemed to have worked [17:44] I got a message from the kernel, but now sound works fine [17:44] can someone explain why? [17:44] in short: intel. in detail: sorry, nope. (but i know of the prob, same shit here) [17:44] alienBOB, ok..noted [17:45] hmm [17:45] 2009-08-27 nearly 8 months! gotta be a new release soon. [17:46] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] No release on the horizon jonsmith1982... it'll be ready when it's done [17:47] has the extra workload lengthen'd the release cycle? you think? [17:47] hmm, youtube plays sound, but I can't actually start alsa [17:47] you mean stretched the horizon, jonsmith1982 [17:48] rc.alsa reports no soundcards found via alsactl although all the modules are loaded [17:48] Action: xsamurai wonders what magical things a new release will entail [17:50] The thing I used to like about slackware was that back in the day if I had a problem such as this, people would try to help me troubleshoot it and I would learn from it [17:50] times do change I guess [17:50] AusLoki: nowadays theres google search [17:51] there was back in the day as well [17:51] whats your point? [17:51] alienBOB: do i need to specify: root = in my lilo.conf ? [17:51] AusLoki: I already told you your problem and how to resolve it earlier, back in the days we paid attention as well [17:52] xsamurai: I am sorry, I did not seen any message from you! [17:52] Looking back now... [17:52] ok [17:52] no media player was running in th ebackground, for sure [17:53] jlarrew (~WallRat00@24.174.52.126) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:53] and I think it is puzzling how it just stopped working while I was away for a while [17:53] dustybin: with an initrd in place, the "root = " parameter in lilo.conf is not needed [17:53] AusLoki: it's intel too. these days intel support means nil [17:54] jg71: I thought Intel were quite good at working with the community, releasing specs and code? [17:54] At least compared to most manufacturers [17:54] AusLoki: so did i. [17:54] So why the dislike for intel? [17:54] intel nics are the best hands down [17:55] jonsmith1982 (~jon@212.183.140.21) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:55] gma, sound, the two main rant reasons for me, AusLoki ... i wont go into details (again, sorry). [17:55] haqe19 (~minty@host-137-205-27-085.res.warwick.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:56] Can I get some help booting the slackware install iso from harddisk. 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[17:58] im trying to install slack from hard disk, [17:59] so right now im trying to configure grub to boot the kernel and initrd which I have copied from the iso [17:59] IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!! im now booting into slackware using lvm :D [17:59] alienBOB: thanks :D [17:59] gratz [18:00] bitchx [18:01] haqe19, i was asking alienBOB about this also [18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430454.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:02] dustybin, no luks? :-/ [18:02] ? [18:02] to rephrase: how should I go about install slackware from harddisk, if some1 can explain the method, I can do the rest [18:02] just would've needed to some additional things [18:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430454.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:03] luks, bah [18:03] alienBOB, could should some light on this? I followed your instruction i got my pendrive to boot but could not get the installation going....i have the .iso and extracted file on a partitioned on my computer formatted as ext4 [18:06] haqe20 (~minty@host-137-205-27-085.res.warwick.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:06] haqe19 (~minty@host-137-205-27-085.res.warwick.ac.uk) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:06] could you shed* [18:06] havent really installed via iso on a drive but you can mount the iso as a loop device to /mnt/cdrom [18:07] mount -o loop slackware.iso /mnt/cdrom [18:07] hmmm [18:07] then point the installer to that [18:07] that should be the same as referencing a cdrom device [18:07] xsamurai: thats what im trying to do, [18:07] haqe20: read http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-12-installation-with-the-isos-but-without-burning-them-566812/#post2811542 for some fresh insight [18:07] i have xubuntu on this netbook rightnow..because it fit on my pen drive [18:07] it was on ly 600mb [18:08] crashdata: again, what instructions were you following exactly [18:08] xsamurai: so is the installer a simple executable on the cd? [18:08] rome (~nph0rm@p5DDD9A73.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:09] kslen^^ (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [18:09] haqe20: where did i say that? [18:09] once the cd is mounted run setup on the cli [18:09] xsamurai: you didnt, [18:09] actually look at the link alienBOB pasted [18:10] alienBOB, http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:usbboot\ [18:10] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:10] vianna (~bd48cf73@gateway/web/freenode/x-axchsewzvbqjslld) joined ##slackware. [18:14] that instruction [18:14] vianna (bd48cf73@gateway/web/freenode/x-axchsewzvbqjslld) left ##slackware. [18:15] i'm looking at that linuxquestion.org link [18:15] thanks [18:16] crashdata: this may be easier: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/installing-slackware-using-usb-thumb-drive/ [18:16] GooseYAr1 (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [18:16] boop [18:17] s/p$/b/ [18:17] alienBOB, thanks i will look into that...yah i got hte pendrive to boot but the installer could never find the .iso or the extracted file from my partitioned for some reason [18:18] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [18:20] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-223-205.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:20] kslen^^ (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:21] blaines (~blaines@75-171-88-163.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:21] blaines (~blaines@75-171-88-163.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [18:22] blaines (~blaines@75-171-88-163.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [18:24] haqe20, u got it working? 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[19:17] yes, it does not [19:17] is there a gui interface for wvdial? [19:18] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:19] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [19:20] hi.. someone could tell me witch`s the diference between xf86-video-intel and the driver in extra directory?? [19:20] bleeber (bleeber@pool-71-180-115-58.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [19:20] artaud, those are just different versions [19:20] welcome to the intel driver madness, artaud ... [19:21] if you have problems with the standard one, try the ones in extra [19:21] emphasis on try. [19:21] some versions are just more optimal for specific chips [19:21] yeah echelon and none really work on mine :( [19:23] the default one worked fine for me [19:23] _ZeH_ (ze_@187.7.9.63) left irc: [19:24] well.. i'll test.. cause i think i don't have better performance i could [19:24] some one have this display? 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[19:28] greetings and salutations [19:29] artaud: it's not about performance per se. it's either your system crashes running plain kde or not. f.e. i can run fluxbox just fine, but kde manages to be a real pile driver down to australia for me [19:29] wotcha andarius :) [19:29] wotcha BP{k} :) [19:30] hum.. i see [19:30] i use kde just fine.. a had some crashes, but really a few [19:31] maybe i should not change my driver [19:34] cfdisk (~cfdisk@unaffiliated/cfdisk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:36] cfdisk (~cfdisk@unaffiliated/cfdisk) joined ##slackware. [19:36] did you catch any logs of the crashes? curious cos i didnt. never ever. [19:38] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) joined ##slackware. [19:38] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) joined ##slackware. [19:39] higuita, Hi I installed the kernel from 12, do i need to do mkinitrd? [19:39] artaud: How are you judging performance? [19:39] cfdisk (~cfdisk@unaffiliated/cfdisk) left irc: Client Quit [19:40] fatherx: no, usually slackare dont use initrd [19:40] so just installpkg? [19:40] umm, slackware recommends you use the generic kernel with an initrd [19:41] can use it, but the default kernels usually are big and have all the basic drivers in the kernel, all other load later via modprobe [19:41] yes, do a installpkg for the kernel and modules and dont forget to update lilo [19:41] ok [19:41] thanks [19:41] assuming a huge kernel, that is correct [19:42] adamk_: looking at glxgears [19:42] and glxinfo too [19:42] artaud: glxgears is not a benchmark. It's not even a good judge of whether acceleration is working at all. [19:43] how could I check, then?? [19:43] :) [19:44] artaud: Are you familiar with pastebin? pastebin the output of 'LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo' [19:44] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:44] adamk_: no.. but i can try [19:44] :) [19:44] i'll do this [19:45] http://pastebin.com/wpCPPaZ0 [19:45] there [19:45] :) [19:46] Well you definitely have 3D acceleration. [19:47] OpenGL 2.1 with the i965 DRI driver. [19:47] thanks [19:47] If you want to really see how well your card and drivers perform, you should use a real benchmark. [19:48] http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Benchmarking I would recommend the openarena one. [19:48] ok. i'll do this.. thanks for the help again! :) [19:48] OA is available on slackbuilds.org [19:49] il compile now.. thanks! >) [19:50] new version in ready queue of sbo.... [19:50] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:50] looking forward to new openarena myself. the one i tried from current sbo is not so well working [19:51] i.e. weird lag throughout the game [19:51] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) joined ##slackware. [19:51] blkdg (~blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [19:51] how do i check which groups an account is connected to? [19:51] I've not had any real issues with it. It's capped at my refresh rate, but never drops below 60 fps. [19:51] blkdg: 'groups' [19:52] fps is not an issue. lag is. [19:52] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:53] What kind of lag are you referring to? Mouse lag, networking lag, etc.? [19:53] rhanks adamk_ [19:53] mouse & keyb [19:55] last time i tested was a -64 multilib system. lets see if a plain -64 works better. [19:55] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:56] has anyone here used virtualbox 64 bit with slackware 64 (including multilib) ? [19:56] heh, id like to do that ... no chance on e5200 [19:56] i'm using vb 64 from their site, not from slakbuilds. [19:57] blkdg: I have it installed on this machine right now, use it to run XP Pro sometimes. [19:57] adamk_, are you using vb64 ? [19:57] can i ask how much ram you gave the guest os adamk_ ? [19:58] blkdg: Yes, it's the 64-bit version. [19:58] 512 megs. [19:59] ok, i downloaded 3.1.4 (64 bit) and installed it. should i be running it as root, or as a user adamk_ ? my winxp sp2 install disk hangs up my machine. [19:59] I run it as a user. [20:00] ignotus21 (~ignotus@189.119.46.127) joined ##slackware. [20:00] I only have 3.0.10 installed. Grabbing the 3.1.6 dow nload now. [20:00] download, even. [20:01] i gave it 512 mb ram, and 24 mb video + 10 G HD space, and the install iso hangs. i have noticed that if i tell vb that there's no nic or sound, the install gets further, but it still hangs. [20:01] You know... [20:01] Actually, I never did a clean install of XP in VirtuaBox, iirc. [20:01] I took a vmware disk image and converted it, I believe. [20:02] But it's been a while, so my memory could be wrong. [20:04] adamk (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [20:05] i'm about to rerun the install from another cdrom, excuse me if i abruply leave this # [20:06] ok it says hit entre, but the vb dosn't respond [20:07] i hit ctrl(right) and alt-tabbed to xchat to type that [20:08] if i alt tab back to vb, i have a feeling it's going to freeze... [20:09] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [20:09] i tried enter on the num pad and on the keyboard. neither respond [20:10] Sorry, I really don't have any advice for you at the moment. 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[20:59] artaud (~phgl82@187.113.100.145) left irc: Client Quit [20:59] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [21:00] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [21:00] Well this is annoying. [21:00] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [21:02] fixored? [21:02] hrm [21:02] rworkman: ping? [21:02] i love the smell of slackware in the mornings... [21:04] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:07] artaud: WTF man? [21:08] oh yeah forgot Alan_Hicks was an OP [21:08] lf4 (~KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: Quit: need to focus on homework. [21:12] boris`` (~boris@pool-74-111-12-189.syrcny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:13] is there a known issue with using slackpkg to upgrade on slackware 13.0 x86_64? [21:13] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [21:15] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.146) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:15] i just installed slack64 13.0 and immediately began an update post installation, using slackpkg update; slackpkg upgrade-all [21:15] the first package to upgrade was bash, and it seems to have accidentally deleted itself because all the following upgrades fail due to missing /bin/sh, and i can't log in with another tty during the process because /bin/bash doesn't exist [21:17] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.146) joined ##slackware. [21:17] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:17] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.142) joined ##slackware. [21:18] which is the uncommented entry in your /etc/slackpkg.conf? [21:19] http://mirrors.usc.edu/... [21:19] ... what? [21:20] the full line is http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-13.0 [21:20] is this the only entry thats uncommented? [21:20] yes [21:21] bash is only updated in -current not 13.0 [21:21] hmm, on another note, it looks like it's trying to download 32-bit packages [21:22] well that is because the link you gave is to a 32bit mirror. [21:23] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:23] so do i need to choose a mirror that has 64-bit content for slackpkg to not accidentally try to upgrade to 32-bit packages? [21:24] boris``: in large lines: yes. slackpkg didn't do anything accidentally. It did exactly what you told it to do. [21:25] well, no. i told it to upgrade my packages. x86_64 and i?86 packages are separate in any sane package system [21:25] boris``: well, no you didn't. [21:25] http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-13.0 <-- is clearly and most obviously a 32bit mirror. [21:25] as opposed to say: http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware64-13.0 [21:26] BP{k}: interesting, but i just uncommented one of the lines under the 13.0 list in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [21:26] the point is that what slackware did, is not what you expected or wanted it to do. Which is another thing altogether. [21:26] boris``: "just" usually gets thing moving in the wrong direction. [21:26] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:28] boris``: and x86_64 and x86 packages are neatly seperate in slackware. The x86 tree is in the slackware-$VERSION tree and x86_64 is in the slackware64-$VERSION tree :) [21:28] clearly, but this is a pretty glaring bug in upgradepkg [21:29] Not really. [21:29] then you have bad taste in package management :) [21:30] Again, not realy. Personally I never had a problem understanding what the different trees stood for, and thus never told slackpkg to upgrade to the wrong tree. :) [21:31] {yet} [21:31] if it is not intended for 32 and 64-bit packages to be installed in parallel, which should be allowed in the first place, at least upgradepkg should refuse to install the wrong type of package [21:31] that doesn't say very much considering there have only been two official arches since... this version [21:32] 2 words: pebkac [21:32] actually there were 2 offical architectures already, with x86_64 .. that made three and with armedslack .. that makes a total of four offical architectures supported by Slackware. [21:32] boris``: it is possible to install both 32-bit and 64-bit packages side by side [21:32] if you cant read and understand the slackpkg.conf file you have a bug [21:33] there is a guide for enabling multilib on Slackware64 [21:33] sahk0: I prefer the term "wetware error" to pebkac. [21:34] sahk0: i was reading man slackpkg which instructed me to uncomment a mirror. looking back there is a mention at the top of the file that 64-bit mirrors are listed below all of the 32-bit mirrors, a silly practice. regardless, it's hard to call it user error when an attempt to update a system results in packages being deleted [21:34] FriedBob: wetwear always makes me think of Angelina Joli [21:35] boris``: but slackpkg did exactly what you told it to do. How is that an error. [21:35] boris``: sorry, were you talking about another os the whole time? i thought we were talking about slackware [21:35] boris``: maybe you should switch to Solaris. They've neutered 'rm -rf /' specifically to help users like you. [21:35] sitwon: i've been using linux for 14 years, slackware many of them :) [21:36] BP{k}: slackpkg really isn't the program at fault as much as upgradepkg is, i suppose [21:36] oooohhh impressive [21:36] I'm sooo impressed [21:36] look how impressed I am [21:36] Action: sitwon shows off how impressed he is [21:36] in other news ubuntu prevents an accidental rm -rf / and prints a bunchload of alternative commands if you make a tupo in a cli session [21:37] boris``: still negative. upgradepkg really hasn't much changed. You still told it through slackpkg to upgrade packages. :) [21:37] BP{k}: right. it hasn't changed, and is therefore broken wrt a multi-architecture package paradigm [21:37] boris``: actually, upgradepkg is NOT at fault. I guarantee it. [21:38] the semantics might not be what you expect, but it's not broken [21:38] boris``: and how is upgradepkg to know what you "want" as opposed to "what you tell it to". [21:38] (and for the record, I agree that in this case the semantics of upgradepkg are not intuitive) [21:39] BP{k}: he has a rational argument [21:39] BP{k}: well, i'm not sure during which part of the upgrade process /bin/bash was deleted and then not replaced, even with a 32-bit version [21:39] sitwon: how so? [21:39] boris``: probably quite in the beginning since well "b" is at the front. ;) [21:39] BP{k}: one sec, I'm checking the source again to be sure [21:40] another person bit by the 32bit versus 64 bit slack [21:40] boris``: i heard that newer versions of slackpkg will address that [21:40] ananke: Oi oi! [21:40] Hea (~Hea@5e08c4a0.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [21:40] hi [21:40] why did bash got upgraded though using a 13.0 mirror? [21:40] hello all [21:41] that is thy question [21:42] ananke: i'd hope so. slackware is by far my favorite distro, and i don't mind reinstalling and trying to upgrade again properly, but failing to acknowledge that it's a bug is not a good way to show support for an otherwise good distro [21:42] that's not a very mature approach to software development [21:42] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [21:42] um [21:42] Hopefully, someone can shed some light on this problem. I'm using slackware 13, 32bit version, i have setup a socks5 proxy, i've tested it with windows xp, osx and ubuntu. the socks5 proxy works fine, but, my slackware 13 box wont touch the thing. [21:42] Action: ananke chalks it up to the fact that slack is new at the whole 'multiple architectures' thing [21:43] agreed [21:43] i can -connect- to the socks5 proxy, however, it just gives me a malformed binary file when accsessed via firefox [21:43] and proxychains doesnt like it either. [21:43] well i can't wait to see what happenes when the 3d cpu come out [21:43] however, both programs work from other systems. [21:44] it seems as if my slackware13 box is interfering or has something configured a bit weird, yet, it can use the internet directly quite happily [21:44] also, not sure how relevent this is, but both firefox and proxychains work via privoxy/tor fine [21:44] BP{k}: boris`` has a valid point. If you have somepackage-1.0-x86_64-1.tgz installed and you call `upgradepkg somepackage-1.0-i486-1.tgz' it will try to replace the 64-bit version with the 32-bit version. [21:45] But it is NOT a bug [21:45] upgradepkg is not broken [21:45] well not per se [21:45] it's doing what it's always done [21:45] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [21:46] because we've had other architectures in there in the past [21:46] leaving control to the user [21:46] eg i386 and i686 [21:46] sitwon: why not? does upgradepkg do anything if the version number is the same? [21:46] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:47] boris``: yes. [21:47] boris``: upgradepkg doesn't care about the version number, it will removepkg the existing package of the same name and installpkg the package specified on the command line even if they are the same package [21:47] boris``: a good example .. same version number, different build number. Thus upgrading shall commence. [21:47] if i wanted to do that i would use removepkg and installpkg respectively [21:47] when i use upgradepkg, i expect it to only update to a newer version [21:47] like every other distro [21:48] boris``: an example of where this is useful is if you want to replace an i386 package with an i686 package of the same version and build number [21:48] boris``: nope, with upgradepkg, think replacepkg. [21:48] boris``: upgradepkg always 'replaced' the existing package. even if it meant downgrading [21:48] yeah, the name is a misnomer [21:48] quite the misnomer [21:48] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:48] boris``: but upgrading a package is an identical operation to downgrading a package, and with different version numbering schemes you can't relly on the package manager to know that version 'bunny' comes after version 'tomato' [21:49] sitwon: again, other distributions don't seem to have any problems in their package management systems [21:49] neither does Slackware [21:49] boris``: they do, you'd be surprised [21:50] _juan (500@200.93.7.226) joined ##slackware. [21:50] they just come up with clever ways to work around the problem [21:50] sitwon: i'm sure that the packagers have a fun time creating some of the packages [21:50] boris``: adding a 32bit repo into slackpkg on a 64bit install is a no no [21:50] sitwon: no, upgradepkg does not by default proceed if the package name is the same. It will upgrade or downgrade or sideways-grade, but it will not reinstall without being told to --reinstall. [21:50] where as in slackware it never becomes a problem becase we never try to automate it [21:50] and by no means is it the 'distros' fault [21:50] that's user error.. plain and simple [21:51] attempting to shirk all responsibility for a problem is an ugly response [21:51] I'm sorry, shemp is correct. It does not replace if the full package names (version, arch, and build number) are identical unless you specify --reinstall [21:52] boris``: shirk what responsibility? [21:52] boris``: You are right, it is an ugly response. [21:52] but it is only that one case when the fully names are exactly identical [21:52] boris``: So in order for you to run Slackware, we have to teach you how to read...? [21:53] FriedBob: i already said that i neglected to see that the mirrors file does say it lists Slackware64 mirrors underneath Slackware mirrors [21:53] So, have you tried uncommenting the proper mirror? [21:53] boris``: Ultimately, it has always been the sysadmin's responsibility to begin with. If they want a particular behavior, they're free to script it themselves. [21:54] sitwon: that attitude is not conducive to promoting linux [21:54] slackware's package tools are clean and well commmented Bourn Shell scripts. I've hacked them before and so can anyone with a little shell scripting experience [21:54] boris``: I'm not interested in promoting linux [21:54] Dominian: i can't seem to get a shell, and i don't feel like booting a single-user with another shell, so i'm reinstalling [21:55] sitwon: then i'm not interested in talking to you about linux :) [21:55] let unbuntu promote linux, I will take a flexable distro. [21:55] boris``: thats a good way to go about it though.. reinstallation.. then make sure you get the proper mirror this time :) [21:56] Dominian: indeed [21:56] hi.. i installed openarena.. how can i check performance? [21:56] XGizzmo: nobody who thinks that linux should be some sort of exclusive club is mature enough to be worth talking to [21:56] boris``: why? Because forcing linux down people's throats isn't on my adjenda I'm suddenly not worth conversing with? [21:57] sitwon: count your blessings and leave it at that :) [21:57] sitwon: i never said anything about forcing linux on anyone [21:57] I think its time we all went to our 'happy place!' [21:57] Dominian: But it's not 420.. [21:57] was anyone able to make sense of my strange networking problem? [21:57] sitwon: but you are one of a class of people who have the elitist attitude that linux should be intentionally unforgiving and hard to use [21:58] newslacker (~kc@75-121-100-111.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] boris``: I am not one of that class of people. You are simply choosing to miscatagorize me into that box [21:59] Actually that is a class of elitist people who have the attitude that it's not our job to baby sit those who are not capable of learning Linux. We're fine to leave that to Ubuntu et al. [21:59] I don't think that linux should be intentionally hard to use. I just don't think it's my responsibility to tell people what they should or shouldn't choose to use [22:00] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [22:00] you should use vanilla icecream with chocolate sprinkles. [22:00] ooo [22:00] and where is my bottle opener... [22:01] I happen to think Slackware is easy and makes sense. If other people don't agree they are free to use something else. Package management in Debian or RPM systems can be even more of a nightmare once you get past the most tivial of use cases. [22:01] ananke: what's tonight poison of choice? :) [22:01] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [22:01] either way, now i know that upgradepkg will always replace any package with any other version. that's the wrong approach to package management, but knowing how it's broken is useful [22:01] cheap beer [yuengling] [22:02] I think I will make myself a martini. [22:02] Yuengling is not bad. [22:02] art__ (~user@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [22:02] I maintain that it's not broken (eg, i386 -> i686) but you're entitled to your opinion [22:02] XGizzmo: that was my second choice, since i just got some vermouth. i just didn't want to deal with it [22:02] sitwon: the right approach is of course to not silently agree to downgrade or replace packages of a different architecture [22:02] that's why programs have command-line options [22:03] boris``: and if you want a warning when you type `rm -rf /' you should be using Solaris [22:03] shemp: this is their porter. i don't buy their regular stuff anymore, it seems that every other batch they had was bad [22:03] art__ (~user@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:03] XGizzmo: gin or vodka? [22:03] i don't, but i'm glad that "umount" doesn't have the behavior of "umount -f", for example [22:03] artv61 (~user@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] nobody accidentally types rm -rf / [22:04] makes you wonder what the future of opensolaris is [22:04] not a good idea to paste such destructive commands in a help channel [22:04] noobs may not understand the reprecussions of it [22:05] relevant fun read: http://www.justpasha.org/folk/rm.html [22:05] sorry to pester, but, did anyone have any thoughts on my socks5 problem? [22:05] boris``: i have, one time. my fingers slipped and i never got to type the actual dir path [22:06] http://blogs.sun.com/jbeck/date/20041001#rm_rf_protection [22:06] ananke: my fingers don't usually slip, but i generally don't type anything beginning with "rm -rf /" as root, just in case [22:07] boris``: guess what, my fingers usually don't slip either [22:08] thus, it was an 'accident' [22:08] [ in bed ] [22:08] haha. for both [22:08] hah [22:08] at any rate [22:08] Action: boris`` leaves [22:09] Sonic (old-times@134-100-73-76.ipv4.gulug.com.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:10] on that note, i got a box to upgrade tomorrow, from 32 bit to 64 bit. i'm thinking this will be something i'll encounter more often, as we move from older servers [22:10] Gulug (old-times@134-100-73-76.ipv4.gulug.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:10] which os? 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[22:59] Action: alreadygone listening to KINGS OF LEON - SEX ON FIRE [23:00] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:00] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:00] artaud_ (~phgl82@187.113.100.145) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:00] Action: Skywise is listening to Fragile State - Paper Tiger [23:00] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [23:00] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [23:01] artv61 (~user@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:01] fonseg (~bnguyen@58.187.119.170) joined ##slackware. [23:02] how to know which pakage a file belongs to? in my case, i want to know about /usr/bin/todos [23:03] artv61 (~user@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. 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[23:17] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:18] and just when it seemed like rhel would never release v6, the beta's out [23:18] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:20] anyone know much of their sssd technology? [23:20] phukt (~phukt@71-90-81-164.dhcp.ftbg.wi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:20] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:20] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [23:20] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [23:22] blaines (~blaines@64-130-243-194.sparkplugbb.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [23:25] i've farted so much these past two days, there's a coast guard chopper hovering over my house, looking for chemical weapons [23:26] sQuEE (~narya@201.252.25.192) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:26] jeev: you ate white castle too? [23:27] i've nver seen a white castle [23:28] i've been eating beans beans the musical fruit, the more you eat the more you thumbs [23:28] ok guys, i'm not fat. i used to be but when i get up, there is air trapped between my ass and chair and it smells even worse [23:28] i wish i could bottle it up and ship it [23:28] jeev: its almost like you don't 'hate' thumbs as much as you feel jilted. You sure you aren't in love? [23:28] i bet it's an afrodisiac [23:28] Dominian, i like bugging him since he has the ability to off me in postfix [23:28] i like pushing limits [23:29] hah [23:29] plus, this is another channel and he can't justify doing anything to me anywhere else for saying funny stuff in here : [23:29] ;) [23:30] sQuEE (~narya@201.252.25.192) joined ##slackware. [23:32] Dominian [23:33] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:34] jeev [23:34] Get a room you too. [23:35] FriedBob: He's in your room... waiting [23:35] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.146) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:36] Dominian: My wife would cut him up into itty bitty pieces if he was in my room. [23:36] hehe [23:36] with a nick like FriedBob and what's hers? FriendMaude? :) she'd probably make me into bacon bits [23:36] TriniTuX (~chatzilla@cuscon123741.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [23:37] jeev: MrsFriedBob. We're kinda old fashioned like that. [23:37] heh [23:37] jeev: But I'd suggest calling her "Ma'am". [23:38] if you're jewish/muslim then you'd cut me up into turkey bits, anything else??? bacon bits [23:38] jeev: I actually am Jewish, more or less. [23:38] oh ok then turkey bits [23:38] jeev: She isn't though [23:39] bah, you're making this too difficult on me [23:39] I do what I can. [23:39] i think i've literally cleansed my colon with all this farting [23:39] tofu! [23:40] Anyway, I need to get back to XSDing. Or is that XML Schemaing? I can't decide which one sounds best. [23:40] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:40] damn [23:40] why am i the only impatient one [23:40] FriedBob what are you trying to do [23:41] jeev: Write a XML Schema for a shopping cart. Doing the front end customer side right now, will be doing the backend next. [23:41] And smoking a pipe. [23:42] how much you charge [23:42] FriedBob, organic pipe ? [23:42] jeev: Naw, just some Blender's Gold Rum blend [23:42] 'skin flute' [23:43] lol [23:43] But I did a smoke a bowl of Sutliff Private Reserve No. 5 before this. [23:43] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [23:43] i dont know anything about things you inhale other than oxygen and the gas from my ass [23:43] I don't inhale [23:44] "I've farted but never inhaled" [23:44] that reminds me of a south park episode... [23:44] jeev: You asked what I charged... for what? [23:44] FriedBob: 'skin flute' [23:45] Dominian: Play your own. [23:45] blaines (~blaines@64-130-243-194.sparkplugbb.net) joined ##slackware. [23:45] nah.. [23:45] blaines (~blaines@64-130-243-194.sparkplugbb.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [23:45] I got a professional player ;) [23:46] Dominian: So you are saying you have to pay to have someone play it for you? [23:46] nah [23:46] Action: Dominian is married [23:46] no pay [23:46] look, Dominian knew what skin flute was, i just learned what it is.. it's quite obvious he plays the skin flute [23:46] Dominian: I thought married == no play, not no pay? [23:46] it's like the guy who smells the fart first and pretends it wasn't him. I ALWAYS DO THAT [23:46] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [23:47] FriedBob: oh.. then you must've married the wrong person [23:47] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:47] Dominian: Naw, just heard all the stories and figured I was the exception that proved the rule. [23:48] heh [23:48] touche [23:50] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:51] phukt (~phukt@71-90-81-164.dhcp.ftbg.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:52] peace ... finally [23:52] Peace, or just the calm between rounds? [23:52] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. 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