[00:00] i think i'll just leave wicd off for now, i'd rather learn how to do all of this on my own [00:00] QWonder: that paste i posted will help you [00:01] i strictly use the stock scripts for wired and wifi [00:01] thanks [00:01] Knowing how to do it, and having to do it, are two different things. [00:01] l) [00:01] ;) [00:01] paissad_ (n=paissad@202.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [00:01] paissad_ (n=paissad@202.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:02] QWonder: a heads up too, if you use the stock scripts you can start/stop/restart arbitrary interfaces like this: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 eth0_restart [00:02] paissad (n=paissad@202.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [00:02] paissad_ (n=paissad@202.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [00:02] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:02] MugsyDaFish (n=danny@99.23.114.227) joined ##slackware. [00:02] paissad (n=paissad@202.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:02] paissad_ (n=paissad@202.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:03] paissad (n=paissad@202.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [00:03] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-240-206.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [00:03] that's good to know [00:03] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-240-206.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:04] gives it that debian feel...(dear lord did i just type that?) [00:04] thanks for the help, sorry about the yelling earlier [00:04] tc__ (n=tc@189-47-241-140.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:04] QWonder: we yelled too [00:04] forget about it [00:05] tc__ (n=tc@189-47-241-140.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [00:05] nullboy: *cough* "Double Century" http://www.thwaites.co.uk/Drinks/OurBeers/DoubleCentury/ [00:06] you and your awesome list of beers. i have Sierra Nevada's seasonal ESB right now [00:06] jealousy, such an ugly thing ;) [00:07] lol [00:08] Action: rworkman just finished a Sam Adams Black Lager [00:08] heading back to the refrigerator now for a Shiner Bock :) [00:09] Action: NyteOwl finishing a large espresso [00:09] ati_lol (n=joe@222-152-11-30.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [00:10] ati = 0, me = 1 [00:10] http://www.dannychoo.com/adp/eng/1653/Japan+Optic+Fiber+Internet.html [00:10] now that is nightmareish [00:10] alife (n=students@192-245-179-65.its.iastate.edu) joined ##slackware. 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[00:20] alife: You asked for any advice. ;) [00:20] jkwood: you win ^^; [00:20] alife: yes [00:21] you will need to know how to hack the tcp stack [00:22] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] alife: you're talking about tcp/ip fingerprinting, like what you see with nmap [00:22] is that right? [00:22] nullboy: yeppers [00:22] that fingerprint comes from the tcp/ip stack and how each OS puts packets together [00:23] nullboy: would you have any good refrence material looking into it to point me to? im just curious [00:23] i don't mean this in the asshat way but google [00:23] that's your best bet [00:23] JFGI [00:23] and reading the linux source code [00:23] I mean it in an asshat way: google [00:23] :) [00:23] yea i've been checking around and i got no real leads, so i figured someone in here might know [00:23] alife: the tcp/ip source code would be best [00:23] dang if open office impress doesn't eat all my 2gb ram AND 2gb swap just for a 19 slide presentation (18MB of pictures: a slide show with large backgrounds) [00:24] alife: chaostables [00:25] alife: have a look at xtables-addons (it's at SBo too). You can do a variety of things. [00:25] alife: also, probably the best place to start would be simply looking at how nmap deciphers it [00:25] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:25] see how fydor did it [00:25] hey what is the DPI of your average overhead projector (VGA)? [00:25] TwinReverb: since it's a slide show, reduce the picture fingerprint so space/transitions aren't so bad [00:25] cool rworkman and nullboy :D thanks alot for the point in the right direction [00:25] TwinReverb: no idea on dpi, but most are 1024x768 [00:25] at least, most that I've worked with [00:25] alisonken1home, should i scale them all to 640x480 or equivalent since the overhead projector goes into vga mode? [00:26] vga/xga is around 800x600/1024x768 [00:26] I would say 800x600 would be good. svideo can do that [00:26] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [00:26] that way if you have to use video rather than vga it would still show well [00:27] k thanks [00:27] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:27] hi, when i have idesk execute an sshfs mount command from an icon it will open a term, ask me for the password, and then close the term having not mounted; command used is "aterm -e sshfs user@host:/path ~/path"; should I be using another method for icon-launched sshfs mounts? [00:27] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:27] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:27] Nick change: _NaCl_ -> NaCl [00:28] echo $mountsb [00:28] rworkman: chaostables looks awsome ^^ [00:28] bah [00:28] hi everybody ! [00:28] alife: :) [00:28] rworkman: is that for me? [00:28] dartmouth: no, it was in the wrong terminal [00:28] lol k [00:28] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.167) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [00:30] i 'am going to recompile my kernel in order to have to ext4 support, i 'am a newbie, i 'am going to learn how to recompile a kernel, ....; but i just would like to get some advice from some of you (i just know that, it would be secure to keep the previous kernel if ever the recompilatioin goes bad ) [00:30] :-) [00:30] but yeah even with an '&' at the end of the command the icon launches it still closes the term without having mounted [00:30] paissad: if youre using slackware then ext4 is available as an option already [00:31] i mean i WANT it to close afterwards, just not until it's been mounted. or is it mounting and then unmounting because the sshfs process is being killed when the term dies? [00:31] if you want to recompile just to learn, that's what the source is for [00:31] i use slackware indedd [00:31] indeed* [00:31] how can i mount an ext4 partition without the error message ? [00:31] please [00:31] what error message [00:32] lol [00:32] dartmouth: possibly; I'm not sure. I've just created a launcher to do that here, and it's not working for me either. [00:32] rworkman: *grumble* [00:32] I have a shell alias defined, as I'm always in a terminal anyway. [00:32] alisonken1home, -> filesystem ext4 unknow <- when i do mount -t ext4 *** [00:33] alias mountsb="sshfs -o IdentityFile=/home/rworkman/.ssh/id_dsa slackbuilds.org:/slackbuilds /mnt/SBo" [00:33] jeeeesh [00:33] seems to be a rush to ext4 lately :) [00:33] paissad: which kernel do you have running right now? (try 'uname -a') [00:33] alias umountsb="fusermount -u /mnt/SBo" [00:33] Linux 2.6.27.7-smp [00:34] paissad: try "cd /lib/modules/$( uname -r )/kernelfs " [00:34] NyteOwl: i'll let them all find the really nasty bugs before i use it muhahahah [00:34] hiii robby [00:34] then 'ls' and see what you show [00:34] What hell are you doing running an experimental filesystem if you don't even know how to mount it? [00:34] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [00:34] (and YES, it WAS experimental still in 2.6.27.x) [00:34] straterra: ola [00:34] whaaassup? [00:34] paissad: I'm running kernel 2.6.24-5-smp and it shows ext4dev as a module for the ext4 filesystem [00:35] rworkman: so im assuming you'd have to 'daemonify' that sshfs call to have it launch from an icon like that? [00:35] nullboy: hehehe I'd like to see zfs available [00:35] paissad: and as rworkman notes, the ext4 filesystem is still in experimental stage [00:36] in 2.6.27.7 it is [00:36] dartmouth: probably, but I'm not sure. Quite frankly, I don't care enough to work it out :/ What I have implemented here is superior IMHO :) [00:36] hmm anyone used an areca 1220 under Slack? [00:36] rworkman: lol [00:36] I don't do *any* file management from a gui. It's too slow. [00:36] i do in windows [00:36] hey. it has its uses. [00:37] i cant think of any, but it does. [00:37] alisonken1home, i do have ext4 into //lib/modules/$( uname -r )/kernel/fs [00:37] i just need to load it then ? [00:37] alife (n=students@192-245-179-65.its.iastate.edu) left irc: [00:37] actually it's the only way i can remotely edit my files with geany [00:37] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [00:37] you could just try loading it first to see.... [00:37] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:37] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.194.239) joined ##slackware. [00:38] paissad: if the module name in the fs/ext4 directory is 'ext4dev', then it's still in experimental state, so may still have problems and possibly corrupt your disk [00:38] alicephilippa, ext4dev [00:38] paissad: if you really want to use ext4 you should use the latest stable kernel 2.6.28.7 [00:38] alicehilippa? [00:38] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.194.239) left ##slackware. [00:39] nullboy, ok ! but for the moment, how to load that feature in order i can mount my system [00:39] rworkman: what i do is have cron backup the cms we're working on every hour or so, and only saves one of them at the end of the day, like backup-$date.tar, and i'm editing my scripts in realtime on the server. IMHO thats superior ;) [00:39] just for read-only , it suits me [00:39] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.194.239) joined ##slackware. [00:39] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.194.239) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:39] paissad: ok - try "modprobe ext4dev", then you should be able to mount an ext4 partition. Keep in mind, it's still experimental at this stage [00:39] alisonken1home, yes, i see, thanks [00:39] (yes there is a 'revert back an hour' script [00:40] ) [00:41] i got an error, damn it [00:41] FATAL: Error inserting ext4dev (/lib/modules/2.6.27.7-smp/kernel/fs/ext4/ext4dev.ko): Device or resource busy [00:41] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.194.239) joined ##slackware. [00:41] i did modprobe ext4dev [00:41] lsmod | grep ext4 [00:41] paissad: try "lsmod | grep ext4" and see what you get [00:42] nothing [00:42] That's weird. [00:42] resource busy? [00:42] let me check [00:42] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:43] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.194.239) left irc: Client Quit [00:43] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.194.239) joined ##slackware. [00:43] not busy , bizarre [00:44] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.194.239) left irc: Client Quit [00:44] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:45] QWonder (n=QW@c-71-203-15-133.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:47] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [00:48] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:50] paissad (n=paissad@202.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:52] paissad (n=paissad@202.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [00:53] i did a stupid thing, i kill the processes which were using the file ext4dev.ko [00:53] i had to reboot ! [00:54] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.194.239) joined ##slackware. [00:54] stupid things involving filesystem modules are bad [00:55] actually, when i do fuser -muv /lib/modules/$( uname -r)/kernel/fs/ext4/ext4dev.ko [00:56] i see a least 20 processes using that files [00:56] renjjj (n=pocketir@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:56] xchat, yakuake, xfce, and so on ! [00:57] but i cannot load it of course, i got [00:57] FATAL: Error inserting ext4dev (/lib/modules/2.6.27.7-smp/kernel/fs/ext4/ext4dev.ko): Device or resource busy [00:57] and i also cannot mount an ext4 partition [00:58] i think that i need to compile a new kernel [00:58] damn it [00:58] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:58] is ext4 faster then xfs? [00:59] i've never tried xfs, i cannot judge ! [00:59] alisonken1home, rworkman thanks, i scaled to 1024x768 and it seems to not be as much of a pig / lag [01:00] file is now 5 x smaller than before (wow) [01:00] MugsyDaFish, but ext4 is quite faster than ext3 [01:00] even though scaling was like 2x [01:00] paissad, "quite" faster? [01:00] Action: MugsyDaFish ponders [01:00] TwinReverb: amazing what a few extra (k)bytes can do [01:00] paissad, the benchmarks on the internet say xfs versus ext4 is a toss-up [01:00] I've been using xfs ever since there was a patch for it [01:00] but benchmarks != real life [01:00] TwinReverb, faster [01:00] :) [01:00] those are usually geared towards servers anyways [01:00] paissad, read 'em again then [01:01] none of the tests on there get used in real life anyways so really it's an artificial way to tell [01:01] xfs has good recovery tools, is included in slackware 12.2's installer (due to kernel version) and includes a defrag tool [01:01] i see [01:01] ext4 is not really better or worse than xfs [01:02] don't think i'm saying xfs > ext4. i'm not. the benchmarks i read say that, but i'm saying it's not possible to use those to say xfs > ext4 for the average home user because benchmarks are not real life [01:02] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [01:03] k [01:03] so really use whatever you want, but don't start the "omg! ext4 is so much faster than xfs" because there's no real way to prove that [01:03] the "top four" (ext4, xfs, jfs, reiserfs) tend to average out in performance and features, so it really comes down to your specific needs [01:03] TwinReverb, uhh, i said ext3, i don't know xfs mate [01:03] if you use LVM and like to resize (shrink and grow) on the fly, reiserfs is about the only one [01:04] and i never said you said ext4 > xfs, i was only saying that such a comparison cannot be made logically [01:04] (LVM comment: because reiserfs is the only one that can be shrank and grown. the others can only be grown so far) [01:04] it's really about their individual strengths [01:05] JFS for machines with lower computing power (CPU) [01:05] ext4 or xfs for people with lots of large files [01:05] reiserfs for lots of small files or if you need to both shrink and grow the FS on the fly [01:05] otherwise, there's really no difference [01:05] k [01:05] i've tried them all before, just to prove that point to myself, and it's about that way [01:06] ext3 if you need to undelete (and the support for undelete is not the best, but it's better than nothing) [01:06] and i would assume ext2 and ext4 can also use the same undelete tool but i have no clue about ext4 [01:07] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@cpe-72-224-255-142.maine.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:07] anyways, sorry to regurgitate all that info but it's been rehashed over and over so i figured i'd save one of the regulars the bother [01:07] afk [01:08] hows is support for UFS under slackware? [01:08] er How is rather [01:08] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-122-12-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:09] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-122-12-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [01:09] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-122-12-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:09] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.194.239) left irc: Excess Flood [01:12] How do I install a Java application (Jar file) on Slackware? [01:12] actually you can run it i think [01:12] java -jar [01:13] java -jar *** [01:13] I will try that. [01:14] kleanchap: have a look at xalan-j, saxonb, moneydance, probably some others at SlackBuilds.org for ideas [01:16] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.80.194.169) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:16] damn, 2009 SHelby $54k [01:16] plus tax, licence, insurance ... [01:16] oh man this is driving me nuts. [01:17] rworkman: that snippet you had earlier, did you say it did or did not work? [01:18] dartmouth: mine? You mean my alias directives? They work fine. [01:18] i cant even get it to stay up even launched in a screen process; and even with a screened process it still kills it [01:18] QWonder (n=QW@c-71-203-15-133.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:19] reason being is it needs user input in sshfs for the password [01:19] so you cant just start it in a closed screen [01:19] and even then its not very 'clean' [01:22] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.176.74) left irc: "Leaving" [01:24] paissad_ (n=paissad@202.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:33] alisonken1home: as in 500 bhp of red convertible ;) [01:33] ah - the good Shelby :) [01:34] renjjj (n=pocketir@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:37] why must every website use flash? websites aren't better just because they have flash [01:40] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [01:44] DeeeP (i=0@bl9-247-88.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:46] DeeeP (i=0@bl4-166-193.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [01:49] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:49] what's worse is when they use it for navigation with no fallback [01:50] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:51] be (n=chattr@062016133143.customer.alfanett.no) joined ##slackware. [01:52] VW's new Passat CC looks nice, if pricey [01:56] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:56] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [02:00] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-186-2.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:01] what s tmpfs used for and why is it 1GB in size? [02:02] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [02:03] TwinReverb: http://fscked.org/writings/SHM/shm.html [02:03] shm is tmpfs [02:03] there are a few things out there that use it, synaptics driver's config tool uses it off the top of my head [02:04] (i usually ask while googling but thanks bro :D) [02:04] hmm synaptics driver config [02:04] it's mostly used for ramdisk type operations [02:04] if i never see mine get utilized, should i reduce its size? [02:05] TwinReverb: i don't see why not, at least until you see an issue [02:06] TwinReverb: see if this helps ... http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2008/11/overview-of-ramfs-and-tmpfs-on-linux/ [02:06] some programs use it though. in my experience i have seen that many driver config tools use it [02:06] things like synaptics, nvidia (iirc), and my fingerprint reader need it [02:06] hmm [02:07] maybe if i checked on "selected by" in the kernel config under tmpfs? would that tell me what uses it, at least in terms of kernel drivers? [02:07] usually it is used where a user might need to access a portion of memory for driver configuration...shm would have permissions that allow that to be done safely...or safer depending on your point of view ;) [02:09] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [02:09] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:10] does anyone in here care to include a "df -h | grep tmpfs" to show me if theirs is used and/or how much is used? [02:10] tmpfs 1013M 0 1013M 0% /dev/shm [02:10] :o [02:10] :P [02:16] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-186-2.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [02:18] tmpfs 245M 0 245M 0% /dev/shm [02:18] yours is bigger than mine [02:19] how much ram do you have ? [02:20] nullboy: hello??? [02:21] i think there is lag on my end [02:21] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [02:22] pirving, it's because it defaults to half of your system RAM [02:22] but you can change it to size=10% [02:23] I must have 245 + 245 290? [02:23] 490? [02:23] 512? [02:23] i guess [02:23] free -m [02:23] df -h [02:23] 1026 of ram [02:23] total used free shared buffers cached [02:23] Mem: 488 482 6 0 4 123 [02:23] -/+ buffers/cache: 353 135 [02:23] Channel flood from pirving -- kicking [02:23] Swap: 972 132 840 [02:23] pirving kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [02:23] total used free shared buffers cached [02:23] Mem: 2017 870 1146 0 0 321 [02:23] tmpfs 202M 0 202M 0% /dev/shm [02:24] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:24] :S lol [02:24] can't paste more than 3 at a time bro :) [02:24] here's what you missed: [02:24] total used free shared buffers cached [02:24] Mem: 2017 870 1146 0 0 321 [02:24] tmpfs 202M 0 202M 0% /dev/shm [02:24] /exec -o free -m | head -n2 && df -h | grep tmpfs [02:24] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [02:25] :, [02:33] my tmpfs is bigger than pirving's...that's what SHE said! [02:36] nullboy, is there any reason a usb 2.0 stick is going to outperform a native TI card reader for sony memorystick duo? i did a hdparm -tT test against both and the usb 2.0 stick is 3x faster [02:36] (literally) [02:37] hmm [02:37] is the TI card reader built in? [02:37] yes [02:37] does it show up in lsusb? [02:37] TwinReverb, how old is the reader [02:37] it's a sony vaio with a sony memorystick pro duo [02:38] i'd me more interested in the age of the mem stick [02:38] renew_01 (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:38] the sony duo stick [02:38] TwinReverb, what really matters is how they are both built, some readers can be slow, and some thumb drives have no problem hitting the USB limits [02:38] if the usb stick uses the newer fast memory chips that will have an effect [02:38] 0a:03.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCIxx12 Cardbus Controller [02:38] 0a:03.1 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments PCIxx12 OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller [02:38] 0a:03.2 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments 5-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD) [02:39] cd ../lang/php4 [02:39] gyah [02:39] TwinReverb: it's only OHIC [02:39] ohci* [02:39] but that makes no sense because it's actually just a dedicated magicgate mspd [02:39] mv dartmouth /dev/null [02:39] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:39] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-122-12-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving." [02:39] no, it's NOT firewire [02:39] it's the last line [02:39] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [02:39] cat /dev/null > edman007 [02:39] ow [02:40] it's as if it's being misdetected now that i think of it, since it's only got one slot and it says magicgate on it (i.e. sony ms pro duo) [02:40] dartmouth, php is past the EOL anyways, don't use it [02:40] EOL? [02:40] oh [02:40] end of life [02:40] really? [02:40] what's being used? [02:40] i thought ajax was still hot [02:40] ajax is just javascript,css and dynamic html heh [02:41] what's replaced php? [02:41] TwinReverb, magic gate is a sony brandname, TI makes the chips, sony puts them in a case and sticks their name on it, so the OS uses the TI drivers [02:41] pattwo (n=admin@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [02:41] it's not a brand name, it's their patended DRM sticks [02:41] Action: dartmouth wonders how accurate that is... [02:41] but whatever, i get your point [02:42] i'm wondering then wtf to use that device for, if usb stick is faster. the only thing i can think of is a sony camera, but i don't own one of those yet [02:42] dartmouth, yea, PHP4 is unsupported right now, PHP5 only right now (and its been out for a while, they are at 5.2.8 right now) [02:42] dartmouth, "Support for PHP 4 has been discontinued since 2007-12-31. " [02:42] another question, if you guys don't mind: i see cached and buffered read results. which one applies to sustained reads, like using the device as your install from location? [02:43] TwinReverb, its a brand name for their shitty products [02:43] oh i thought you meant the lang in general. no i was browsing through ports. [02:43] i.e. if one device is faster on cached but the other is faster on buffered, which matters when it's a long operation? [02:43] edman007, they're not krappy, just not the best [02:43] much less magicgate isn't really applicable since the device and the reader are both in non-drm ('non-secure') mode [02:44] TwinReverb, yea, but thats what the PSP uses right? [02:44] IIRC those things are expensive [02:44] TwinReverb: hdparm is one way to test but dding to a file on each stick might be a better real world test [02:44] at least for writes [02:44] that will include FS and everything [02:44] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-3.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Wakka Wakka" [02:44] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-63-50.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [02:45] but if you want accurate numbers do a sync before starting the test and a sync after it (and count the time for the second sync only) [02:45] for write tests [02:45] hdparm is good for ballparking it but it's not such a good real world example [02:45] for read tests you really need to empty the page cache [02:47] edman007, yes it is [02:47] nullboy, what size file would you recommend? [02:48] i was seriously considering psp linux but oh well, not worth my time [02:48] i dunno, two a sample set of various sizes on each media [02:48] that's probably the best way to see real world [02:49] two/do [02:49] pattwo (n=admin@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [02:49] how the heck i typed two for do...i dunno [02:49] well what about copying slackware-12.2/slackware/* to both and then reading both to /dev/null using dd? would that be a good real-world test of which would function better as an installer media? [02:49] yeah just do the same thing to both [02:50] ok brb [02:53] renew_01 (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:53] Anakin (n=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [02:54] c0vert (n=ryan@bas3-barrie18-1279547584.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:54] hehe :) do i have permission to post a screenshot in here? [02:55] poona_ (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [02:57] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-122-12-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:58] only if i want to look at it [02:58] http://lcmswatch.org/sophie.png [02:59] as of about an hour ago. it's a work in progress :) [02:59] that would annoy the hell out of me [02:59] i just set the aterm titlebar to togglable [02:59] Action: edman007 waits for it to load... [02:59] dartmouth, are you blind? [02:59] :( [03:00] a little. why? [03:00] dartmouth, that looks unreadable... [03:00] really? [03:00] i can read it [03:00] lol [03:00] yes, fully transparent terminal is always bad, and text behind text is bad too [03:01] eh. yeah. i forget which settting in .Xdefaults that is. i'll have to fix that; might be glad I did. [03:02] i would post screenshots, but i don't do it because people don't want to see pics with just one app on the screen [03:02] can you pm it to me? [03:02] ? [03:03] not B.M., P.M. [03:03] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:04] well i always have (almost) all apps maximized, and i switch desktops to switch windows, so if i take a screenshot you will just see one terminal or just FF or just xchat...and not my desktop... [03:04] and i don't run a GUI file manager...so my desktop is just one pic... [03:04] eww [03:05] so what was your nick before 2007? [03:05] strcat ( frequencystring, &buf[count2] ); why can't i do something like this in C ? [03:05] my nick? [03:06] Action: edman007 has had the same nick for almost 50% of my life.... [03:06] Soul_keeper, what do you mean? [03:07] should work if both frequencystring and buf are char* [03:07] might be better to ask in a C channel, [03:07] i want to add a specific string array element (char) to the end of an existing string array [03:08] Soul_keeper, what is the type of buf? [03:08] do you want to add one char? [03:08] so a single letter? [03:08] they are both char [03:08] well it's in an if loop, but yeah a single char at a time [03:08] ...char holds one byte, its not a string... [03:09] sorry meant character array .... [03:09] geoff_k (n=geoff_k_@cpc3-asht4-0-0-cust917.asfd.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "I've got a shed and im going to tinker in it" [03:09] so it should work... [03:09] ok lemme try some other stuff, i might have overlooked something [03:09] what do you get that is problematic? [03:10] segfaults [03:10] sounds like you are doing a buffer overflow... [03:10] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:11] frequencystring must have at least strlen(frequencystring) + strlen(buf[count2]) + 1 bytes of space [03:11] seems i had something laying around, lemme see if it works [03:12] and &buf[count2] is the string starting at the count2 position, its everything up until the next \0 [03:12] so if buf is "abcd" then &buf[1] is "bcd" [03:12] and if you don't have the \0 at the end its going to fail [03:13] and start looking for tasty memory... [03:14] yeah none of this is working, mind if i pastebin like 6 lines of code for a quick look ? [03:15] go [03:18] http://linuxsociety.pastebin.com/me6f5922 [03:19] frequencystring = ""; [03:19] that should throw an error.... [03:20] "" returns a pointer, frequencystring is an array, and should be a constant because of it [03:20] anyways, thats probably your error... [03:21] thanks, i'll try some more stuff [03:21] frequencystring[0]='\0'; [03:21] thats the correct way to do that [03:21] samychow (n=cool@24.238.42.70.res-cmts.tv13.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:22] Soul_keeper, also, are you sure you are checking for the \0 in buf, and in that code you don't have &buf[count] like you should [03:23] you are missing the &.. [03:23] samychow (n=cool@24.238.42.70.res-cmts.tv13.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [03:23] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-122-12-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:23] i dunno, i'll have to spend some more time with it, been on this problem for a few hours now [03:24] night all [03:24] NyteOwl (i=nodezero@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: "There are four types of hats to be aware of: Black, White, Grey and Red. The meanings are: Cracker, Hacker, Guru and Victim. [03:25] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[03:47] hi, I don't know too much about the technicalities of keyboard shortcuts so I hope someone can help on this - in KDE Control Module ('KDE Shortcuts' prompt), I see that the 'alt' key is being recognized not as just 'alt' but "ISO_Level3_Shift" - any idea what may be the deal with this? [03:54] got it edman007 :) [03:55] Ficthe, dunno, but "xev" will give you the low level info on any keypress [03:55] nice little tool [03:57] here's what I'm getting for alt: state 0x90, keycode 115 (keysym 0xfe03, ISO_Level3_Shift), same_screen YES, - could you paste yours please, just out of curiosity? [03:58] state 0x10, keycode 113 (keysym 0xffea, Alt_R), same_screen YES, [03:58] state 0x10, keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe9, Alt_L), same_screen YES, [03:59] sounds like it's nothing more than a descriptive thing [04:01] oooookay, problem solved. Just had to go in kxkb and check on "srvrkeys" [04:03] mohaa (n=moha@85-170-145-6.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[04:30] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [04:31] QWonder (n=QW@c-71-203-15-133.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:36] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [04:37] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [04:46] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-175-85.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [04:47] mohaa (n=moha@85-170-145-6.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:53] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:54] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.202.76) joined ##slackware. [04:54] whats the irc client of choice for you guys ? [04:54] in linux .. [04:54] (ofcourse :) [04:56] irssi [04:59] http://www.casebliss.com/tmp/screenshot2.jpg [04:59] hmm [05:00] haven't you asked this before? Or somebody has recently. Anyway, still and also irssi. :) [05:00] no one uses chatzilla / pidgin etc. ? [05:02] I'm sure somebody does - the devs of same, if no one else. ;) I think I've seen the occasional chatzilla around. [05:02] xchat seems to eb the most popular gui irc client, though [05:02] s/eb/be/ [05:02] zounds (n=zounds@90-230-133-38-no68.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "leaving" [05:02] I used to use pidgen for a rare msn session, now I use bitlbee in irssi. [05:03] ohh .. bitlbee seems cool [05:03] I've only used it a couple times now, but seemed to work good. [05:04] screen/irssi/bitlbee/linode ftw ;) [05:04] yeah .. I hate pidgin et. al. .. never knew I had a choice [05:05] whats linode ? [05:05] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Connection reset by peer [05:05] mohaa (n=moha@85-170-145-6.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:06] http://www.linode.com/ I have slack 12.2 on mine. [05:07] never used pidgin myself for icq, i'd imagine it's terrible. i just use xchat [05:08] ohh yeah I got the google results for linode .. didn't understand the meaning of XEN VPS [05:09] ohh wow .. 20$ a month is a lot [05:09] for me :) [05:10] chopp what do you get out of linode ? .. how do you use it ? just curious of the use case [05:12] I use it for hosting, and ssh/screen sessions. Try to get hosting elsewhere for that price, and the same access as you get with a linode. [05:13] and the people that run it are awsome. [05:14] There are quite a few regulars here that use linode. [05:14] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-18-148.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:15] Guidleines in the topic is actually hosted on an linode. [05:15] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.202.76) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:17] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.202.76) joined ##slackware. [05:17] I don't have that many partitions in the end : http://xs136.xs.to/xs136/09086/gparted241.jpeg [05:17] you get a public ipvr addr ? [05:18] duryodhan: yes [05:18] chopp: wow thats insane .. where did they get such a big block of ips ? [05:18] are you sure they don't NAT etc. ? [05:20] Nossir. They bought the block. [05:22] Some, they buy from ThePlanet. [05:22] s/buy/rent/ [05:22] Er, borrow, anyway. [05:22] I'm not 100% on how that works. [05:24] nvidia should give another box on their website when downloading drivers : "I have read and disagree to the TOS but let me get those fucking drivers" [05:25] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [05:25] im sure you can edit the install script to do that [05:25] or get your cat to do it [05:26] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.202.76) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:26] I don't have a cat, can my goldfish do it ? [05:26] Is it a trained goldfish? [05:26] well, I don't have a goldfish either actually [05:27] Action: Camarade_Tux is currently auctionning on ebay to get a goldfish [05:27] is a red-yellow goldfish alright ? [05:28] Should be fine for accepting EULAs, I imagine. [05:29] it may have troubles pressing the keyboard keys : flap, flap, flap, f l a p , f l...... [05:29] unless I get a waterproof keyboard too [05:30] (the nvidia driver for vista x64 is 147MB...) [05:32] anyway, I asked on #slamd64 but got no answer yet and win7 is already getting on my nerves : is there a specific package needed to get DNS *resolution* on sla* ? [05:32] Use dhcpcd? [05:32] dhcp is alright and I can ping the gateway [05:32] Are you using dhclient? [05:33] Because if so, it takes extra steps to set up /etc/resolv.conf. [05:33] it gave me a correct resolv.conf btw (I also added opendns) [05:33] Steps which I do not know. [05:33] QuiescentW (n=QW@c-71-203-15-133.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:33] not using dhclient afaik [05:33] That... is odd. [05:33] QuiescentW (n=QW@c-71-203-15-133.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:33] There shouldn't be anything special needed for DNS resolution. [05:34] that's what I thought but I don't understand what could not be working [05:34] ... oh crap, my fault >< [05:34] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:34] I used a script which I shouldn't use here [05:35] well, rebooting now, I hope to see you on linux soon :p [05:35] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-18-148.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [05:35] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.3) joined ##slackware. [05:35] the fun never ends. :P [05:36] Intriguing. 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[06:07] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:08] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:09] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [06:12] Ro8inB (i=0@c83-248-8-198.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [06:13] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.18.253) joined ##slackware. [06:13] hello [06:14] i have a sonyericsson xperia (x1) does anyone know any software to use it with slackware? [06:15] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-186-2.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:16] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-186-2.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [06:18] That usually depends on what you intend to do. [06:18] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [06:18] i want to put in mp3 [06:20] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:20] mohaa (n=moha@85-170-145-6.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:21] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [06:21] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-186-2.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:21] mohaa (n=moha@85-170-145-6.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:21] and also i have bittorrent that comes with 12.2. are there any way to load all torrents in 1 window? there opening in new windows every time i open a torrent. [06:24] Depends on which client you're using. [06:25] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:25] bittorrent-curses. [06:26] it's written in python right? [06:26] Beats me. [06:27] ok. [06:27] Apparently it's based on mainline, so yes. [06:28] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [06:28] What are you using for client? [06:28] BitTyrant. [06:29] Is it light? [06:29] psypete (n=psypete@c-24-127-196-247.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:30] Not really. [06:30] Ok, do you have any suggestions on a light client? [06:31] Just a simple GUI. [06:31] rg3_ (n=rg3@83.231.84.64) joined ##slackware. [06:31] No. [06:31] Ok. [06:32] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:32] MakubeX (i=horas@212.71.19.109) joined ##slackware. [06:33] deluge is good. [06:34] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/deluge/ [06:35] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:36] is there a faq of common tips for sysadmins? [06:36] Looks fine to me, I'll try it. [06:36] Thanks. [06:36] np [06:36] i'm curious if there is a remote install guide for admins... slack-kickstart looks a little funky [06:37] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [06:37] Especially because kickstart is the name of Red Hat's automated installer. [06:37] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-186-2.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [06:39] actually the name of the tool doesn't really bother me [06:39] whatever works [06:40] after a lot of blood and tears, kickstart can work... hopefully slack's alternative would be more kiss-y [06:40] rg3__ (n=rg3@83.231.84.98) joined ##slackware. [06:41] Sesshomaru (i=superGea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:41] All you really need is some way to automate partitioning, bootloader installing, etc. The actual install can be managed with tagfiles. [06:41] Wojo (i=1000@chello087206253139.chello.pl) left irc: "Reconnecting" [06:41] Wojo (i=wojo@chello087206253139.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:42] and what would be nice for me would be a network download tool to grab the tagfiles and other automation from a central server [06:43] 12.2 has network support, so that's easy. [06:43] fdisk/sfdisk is easy enough, the post-install scripts can probably use defaults (??) [06:44] actually do the setup scripts take any kind of arguments? are they configurable other than with dialog, or do the tagfiles take care of that? [06:45] another handy use for this would be like the original kickstart floppies where you provide a floppy or usb stick with your config and have it auto-install when loading the dvd, for example [06:46] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.18.253) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:48] Speaking of which, I need to make tagfiles for my own installs. [06:48] I don't think my laptop needs two FTP daemons installed. [06:50] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:51] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [06:51] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [06:52] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:52] superGear (i=superGea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:52] http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=33060 - similar to what i need, but that's about 50 steps too many [06:56] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.1.250.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "lalaland" [06:57] rg3_ (n=rg3@83.231.84.64) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:57] kama (n=kama@host226-110-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:57] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:57] Tidus (n=tidus@72-161-22-93.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [06:58] huyhuyhuy (n=huy@asgvnpc09.studentby.uit.no) joined ##slackware. [06:58] why is Slack 8.1 still maintained? [06:59] because pat wants to [06:59] simple as that [06:59] any rumour about when next slackware relase will be? [07:00] when pat is ready [07:00] 12.2 was just released though [07:01] Action: psypete frowns @ ext4 install with slack 12.2 [07:01] and is there likely to be an offical amd64 release in the near future? [07:01] No [07:01] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [07:02] credo (n=name@80.233.147.119) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:02] any idea why? [07:02] There are unofficial ports that work fine [07:02] (Unless pat decides he wants an amd64 port) [07:02] slamd64 is the preferred for many [07:03] doesn't it depend on your end goal? i thought there was one 32-64 bit version and another 64 bit-only, or something... [07:03] eh? [07:04] slamd64 and bluewhite64 both have 32 bit compatibility libraries [07:04] slamd64 is backwards compatible so you can run 32 bit apps (fairly certain) [07:04] "Support for compiling 32-bit binaries was removed for the 11.0 release, but was reintroduced in the 12.0 release." [07:04] so there's no 64 bit-only slack distro? [07:04] bluewhite64 doesnt follow linux filesysten layout standards [07:04] err port [07:04] psypete: yes..dont install the compatability libs.. [07:05] huyhuyhuy: ok? [07:05] straterra: slamd64 [07:05] ok? [07:05] i dont see a question [07:05] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@77.165.217.148) left irc: "I don't need to be loggedin twice" [07:05] I didn't ask anything either [07:05] Slamd64 without the c/ series IS pure 64-bit "Slackware." [07:06] that was due to an issue with gcc..fred, the maintainer of slamd64, follows the same program versions and such as pat [07:06] thats why he made that statement [07:07] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:07] Yes, it's a package set you can deselect. [07:07] Like emacs. [07:09] Action: jkwood goes /away to sleep [07:09] any other questions/statements? [07:10] Yes. [07:11] doesn't look like there's a way to provide defaults to setup scripts like setup.services. is there some way to override them i'm missing? [07:12] err what do you want to do? [07:12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UecO6HFz4xo lol [07:12] in an automated fashion, tell it which services i want enabled or disabled. but i'd like to control all the other setup aspects in an automated way as well [07:13] you can use chmod [07:13] credo (n=name@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [07:14] after the fact, yes. i was hoping there was a way to work with the distribution without making it version-specific (i.e. "slackware 12 has these services, do the chmod on these services, etc" - at that point you're rewriting the setup) [07:15] well..there isnt an api or app for controlling the init like that [07:15] kama (n=kama@host226-110-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:16] yeah, really it's just that the setup scripts were only designed to detect what they could and then prompt for further input, instead of taking for example passed defaults [07:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-250.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:18] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [07:19] mohaa (n=moha@85-170-145-6.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:20] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [07:20] anyway, this is all moot for all current slackware installs. they'll all require hacking to work automated [07:21] psypete, ? [07:21] if i'm wrong please correct me, i haven't delved really far into the install process [07:21] right, as long as skynet is not completely operational it does, just like any other OS [07:22] s/it does/, it does/ [07:22] oh. wait. kickstart uses skynet? is that a python import now? [07:22] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:23] hmm.. Camarade_Tux .. nice nick \o/ [07:24] with all the recent genetic algorithms python coders wrote, skynet has started its life :) [07:24] huyhuyhuy, :) [07:24] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [07:25] find /my/home -iname "*a bloody CD or DVD*" [07:25] heh, you're telling me.... the guys working on AI systems to test the limits of entropy [07:26] that's skynet right there [07:26] come on guys emacs is skynet [07:26] skynet wouldn't be that bloated and difficult. it'd self-optimize [07:27] something must be wrong [07:27] root@tux:~# mount /dev/dvd /mnt/dvd/ [07:27] -bash: mount: command not found [07:28] Heh. [07:28] try /bin/mount [07:28] haha nice. "source /etc/profile ; mount" [07:29] I typed the command again and that works now, I guess I had some weird unicode character hidden somewhere [07:29] ^H [07:30] huyhuyhuy (n=huy@asgvnpc09.studentby.uit.no) left irc: "Lost terminal" [07:30] Heh. [07:30] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.13) left irc: "Connection reset by pheer" [07:31] ahmed-tux (n=rhapsody@adsl196-128-75-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [07:31] hi [07:33] why my usb devices are unavailable on vb? [07:34] tntslack: virtualbox ? [07:34] yes [07:34] also can anyone tell me off hand what kernel and initrd from slackware-12.2 i should use for a pxe boot of the installer? [07:34] because vb ose does not have usb support [07:34] http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/End-user_documentation tntslack [07:35] is not ose [07:35] is close source [07:35] The "closed" version has USB support. [07:35] i can see my usb devices, but they are unavailable [07:35] anyone get good speed out of memory stick pro duos on slackware? [07:37] TwinReverb: hello , how are you ? [07:37] so far so goo [07:37] d [07:37] testing the speed of my various storage devices [07:39] TwinReverb: do you have low speed ? 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[07:46] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.13) joined ##slackware. [07:46] sony vaio VGN-C140G [07:47] TwinReverb: and you don't have any problem with drivers ?? [07:47] What a surprise. [07:49] the only thing i have issues with is the sony memory stick pro duo card reader (integrated) but if the modules are marked experimental, it figures [07:50] i'm just sort of surprised that the performance sucks as much as it does [07:53] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [07:53] but what lspci says is not the same as what it really is, so i'm thinking linux support for it just sucks at the moment [07:54] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:55] fAu (i=1000@217.202.201.50) joined ##slackware. [07:55] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host81-153-236-141.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [07:55] oh well, transferring data FROM the camera will be slow, but not using the camera [07:55] what does lspci say [07:56] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [07:56] rg3__ (n=rg3@83.231.84.98) left irc: "Quit" [07:56] why not just use a usb card reader [07:56] 0a:03.2 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments 5-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD) [07:56] xD [07:56] and that is definitely not what it is, much less i don't own such a device, nor is one installed. i've triple checked [07:56] TwinReverb, did you check the device and vendor IDs? [07:56] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:57] stand by [07:57] 'cause [07:57] uh. [07:57] maybe it IS. [07:57] uh, it's probably just the generic name of the chipset of the card reader in your laptop [07:57] how do you know that isnt what it is? [07:57] it can't physically be because there's only one slot, and it's ms pro duo [07:57] i bet thats what it is [07:57] I see MS PRO on there. [07:57] yes it can..sony vaio, right? [07:57] just because there's one slot doesn't mean it isn't the same chipset. the description is just generic [07:57] Subsystem: Sony Corporation Unknown device 820f [07:57] sony sells different adaptors for their little slot [07:58] maybe i'm not specifying some sort of kernel option. i'll go read more on it [07:58] no..thats the device [07:59] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:59] new sony vaio's have a port for a single card..but there are electronics there for other cards [07:59] you have to purchase different sleeves to make them work [07:59] Collect 'em all! [08:00] and pay out the ass [08:00] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [08:00] That's what he gets for buying Sony. [08:00] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-18-148.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [08:00] sony is bad about that [08:01] is it a usb mass storage or some shitty proprietary card reader? [08:01] thats why i only get corporate line laptops [08:01] its on the pci bus..but not really proprietary [08:01] Since TI seems to be the IC manufacturer, it's probably USB mass storage. [08:01] O. [08:01] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [08:01] the chipset isnt propriatery, its implementation is [08:02] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:02] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:02] straterra, no, the dude said there isn't one. i checked the accessories and it's correct. this one has a single reader. the card reader it came with was an expresscard34. the ms pro duo slot is only big enough for ms pro duo. literally, the older sd cards won't fit. [08:02] i would assume it would have to be using a usb bus to use usb mass storage driver [08:02] It would. [08:02] i mean, maybe they did the whole "throw default chip on there, and only wire up the mspd female port" but still [08:03] pro duo is BIGGER than ms and sd [08:03] TwinReverb: the dude lied [08:03] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:04] pro duo is a wide fucker [08:04] wide? i thought those were just long. sd should be wider [08:04] er, i apologize. not smaller. bigger. the sd cards would just fall out [08:04] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:04] fAu (i=1000@217.202.201.50) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:04] Action: TwinReverb smacks forehead [08:04] right..like i said, there are sleeves [08:05] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:05] you put the sd card in the sleeve, the sleeve in the slot [08:05] * TwinReverb smacks forehead [08:05] Coulda had a V8! [08:05] well what's in there is a msproduo slot but the card is an actual mspd mark 2 (smaller) so it's actually on an adapter. [08:05] ccfreak2k: he opted for gas mileage? [08:05] psypete: nah..pro duos are pretty wide [08:06] I4+turbo ftw [08:06] my I4 gets terrible fuel efficiency [08:06] new wrx's are fairly good [08:06] I have an eclipse [08:06] dsm for life [08:07] i think the wrx's are around 27mpg? co-worker just got one. thing is fast as hell [08:07] psypete: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_(beverage) [08:07] OH. that v8. [08:07] I'd rather have my mivec [08:08] wow. literally took twice as long to put packages ON the mspd as it did to put them on my usb 2.0 sandisk cruzer titanium 4gb [08:08] shouldnt be suprised [08:08] slack installer comes with gfs2 compiled in, no cifs. =[ [08:08] newer thumbdrives are somewhat fast [08:08] TwinReverb: go buy a usb card reader. use that [08:09] i bet its the card speed [08:09] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.155.110) joined ##slackware. [08:10] i doubt i have a usb card reader for it, but i'll check [08:10] i have a usb card reader but i doubt it's got mspd [08:10] mine is an 11-in-1, has mspd [08:11] i think we bought mine right before sony came out with mspd [08:11] that's pretty old. they sell these things for like $10 now [08:11] Action: psypete looks at his eeepc's embedded sd reader, sighs relief [08:12] err what [08:12] i thought your laptop had a pro duo reader? [08:12] he meant a usb card reader [08:12] oh [08:12] a usb one wont matter [08:12] its the card speed thats bottlenecked [08:12] josemanuel (n=josemanu@18.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [08:12] assuming the driver works properly [08:13] i imagine it is [08:14] modern thumbdrives are SUPPOSED to be fast [08:14] they claim readyboost usage [08:14] bummer [08:15] how can i generate lots of random seed data for urandom? this dd if=/dev/urandom of=/disk is taking forever [08:16] fAu (i=1000@217.202.205.159) joined ##slackware. [08:17] urandom is "unlocked" so it's as fast as it gets. [08:17] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) joined ##slackware. [08:17] seriously, what is the point of make ranconfig? [08:17] Writing zeroes is just as effective. [08:17] randconfig* even [08:17] ah. well god damn this is taking exceptionally long then [08:18] psypete : of course. it's freakishly long and unnecessary [08:18] time it yourself. write a 100MB or so [08:18] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:19] the things i do to keep my cookies safe [08:19] too bad they don't sell laptops within my price range that have the via ACE Padlock [08:20] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [08:20] your cookies safe? are you serious? [08:20] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [08:20] mm, cookies [08:20] well yeah, an encrypted hard drive will keep pretty safe cookies [08:20] ccfreak2k, writing zeros os not as afective as random data [08:21] i think he means effective against an attack on the pseudorandom data... it's probably trivial to guess the seed? [08:21] DeeeP : it's as effective. [08:21] I mean it keeps anyone from reading the data anyway [08:21] if u want to erase data for good, zeros in not the choice [08:21] of course, everyone's right when they don't have to give any proof [08:21] No point in draining your entropy over it. [08:22] DeeeP : it is a very valid and good choice. you can't restore any data that was overwritten once with zeros [08:22] and you can't show me any facility that can do it [08:22] then tell me why gutmann thoery says u need to make 35 random passes to make it unrecoverable ? [08:22] the best way to securly erase data from a harddrive is to melt the drive with thermite then bury the slag [08:22] DeeeP : peter gutmann has been debunked quite a few times [08:22] if you want better cookies, set your privacy options and then control what sites have authorization to read and write cookies [08:22] :) [08:22] or better yet, disable cookies [08:23] I agree with the thermite strategy, but maybe we want the hard drive to still be usable after. :) [08:23] DeeeP: actually there's papers which debunk the old conception of multiple passes, real world you can't reliably recover from one or two passes of all zero's [08:23] ananke, what about a magnetic microscopic ? [08:23] or use a firefox plugin that does this encrypting or whatever you want for you. there's probably one out there. [08:23] Action: Soul_keeper don't care if the fbi knows he was looking at MILF porn ... [08:23] i've seen that article too [08:23] DeeeP : show me one example of said recovery. even one. [08:23] that 1 pass of random would be enough [08:23] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn107.78-99-239.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [08:24] ok , i never really know anyone who send it for recover [08:24] Soul_keeper, high five [08:24] DeeeP : because there is nobody that can recover [08:24] Nick change: Mess[i]ah -> Emess [08:24] DeeeP, according to the Guttman method, even overwriting with random data is apparently recoverable. [08:25] i've read that there are some madnetic readers that can read magnetic memory of the sectors or something [08:25] It was also apparently made when MFM/RLL was the norm [08:25] ok, in a read test (of slackware-12.2/slackware/*/*.tgz, i.e. as if installing, i.e. cat blah blah > /dev/null), the external usb stick took 1 minute 45 seconds, the mspd 2 minutes 45 seconds, the dvd drive 4 minutes 30 seconds [08:25] like when u delete , it would stay in the magnetic field the value 0 or 1 [08:25] ccfreak2k: is that reproducable? [08:25] or is it something that the NSA keeps secret? [08:25] Is what reproducable? [08:25] at least the mspd was faster than the dvd drive (i'd've shot the stupid thing if it wasn't) [08:25] DeeeP : right. again, no real world actual example of being able to recover any data. [08:25] recovering data that has been overwritten with random values [08:26] ananke, ok then , my bad then [08:26] pi31415, no citation, so who knows. [08:26] "Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?" [08:26] The government does like to make people think that they CAN recover data on your hard drive, despite the fact that they probably can [08:26] t. [08:27] tntslack (n=will@adsl30-101.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:27] though they can recover it from your RAM. [08:27] psypete : sure. as long as they act very fast :) [08:27] so, basically, we're all fucked if they can dunk your lappie in some liquid nitrogen after busting in your door [08:28] if they can recover it from my RAM then they can do better than I can [08:28] which is where the thermite comes in [08:28] if you want secure data, encrypt everything [08:28] psypete : maybe you are. they won't be coming after the rest of us. [08:28] Indeed. [08:28] any government that is stupid enough to think you can spend your way out of debt by writing the biggest hot check in US history [08:28] i wish i had something interesting enough to encrypt [08:28] Pig_Pen, apparently Japan is writing a bigger check. [08:28] i don't see how cookies are that big a privacy issue even on firefox's default privacy settings, but you can change the settings. or like i said, find a firefox plugin that does this for you. [08:29] first they came for the communists. then they came for richard stallman. then they came for theo de raadt, and realizing they already had all the crazies, after linus torvalds. when they came for my operating system, there was no one left to secure my data. [08:29] i set firefox to use only per-session cookies, and it deletes cookies when closed [08:29] DeeeP: it had to do with looking at the analog value of the magnetic field of the bit, not just "is it over the threshold to be a 1". Basically, a bit that was previously a 0 and then flipped to a 1 would have a lower field value than a bit that was previously a 1 and then overwritten with a 1. [08:29] because not writing that check would result in ever worse outcome. then again, we can speculate all we want. few years down the road we'll see the real results [08:30] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [08:30] yup, i think we will have to wait & see [08:30] what kind of equipment would it take to read single bits? a simple firmware update? [08:31] it probably is possible to recover some data with this approach, but not entire files and not reliably. [08:31] pi31415, single bits of what? [08:31] single bits of data as siegex described [08:31] Not with the drive controller. [08:31] ok SiegeX [08:31] You'd have to pull out the platters and examine them with special equipment. [08:33] ohh yes, 48F today and sunny. i think i'll change oil in my car. [08:33] BringingSexyBack (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:33] some day i need to learn how to change my oil, i suspect it would be cheaper to do it myself [08:33] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:33] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:34] hmm i had a thought:: if installing slackware takes about 15 minutes due to writing the packages to the hard drive (i.e. due to the local hard drive), the device i choose to install from is probably not going to be much of a speed increase during installation, is it? [08:34] pi31415: for the most part it's not cheaper, but you do get to make sure it's not screwed up [08:34] i noticed that changing oil at walmart used to be around $15 for the cheapest option, now it's suddenly $30 [08:34] yeah [08:34] pi31415 : it's not much cheaper, but for the same price i get to use better oil [08:34] ananke: you don't let them put the uber-cheap walmart obscure brand oil in your vehicle, do you? [08:35] pep boys can now be cheaper than wal mart since they have the 5 quart jugs [08:35] BringingSexyBack : nope, i don't. i just saw the prices on the board [08:35] i use royal purple [08:35] you'll need a wrench for the drain plug on the oil pan, and a filter wrench, and dont forget to use something to drain the oil in to, usually auto parts stores will accept your used oil to send to be recycled [08:35] i got my oil changed at walmart once, because i was unhappy with the place i went to before. walmart was worse.. for some reason they disconnected some hoses and forgot to reconnect them. [08:35] ricer purple eh? too bad [08:35] ricer purple? [08:36] yeah... stuff is horrible [08:36] lol no it isnt [08:36] doesn't hold up to heat, breaks down and leaves deposits worse than standard dino oil [08:36] its used in nhra and high boost applications [08:36] look up the analysis of the top performing motor oils [08:36] ananke, ah [08:37] mm, parafin oil [08:37] even mobil-1 is crappy [08:37] the royal purple is good but i question whether we need it [08:37] Action: BringingSexyBack is a castrol guy [08:37] when i get my tax check, I'm buying pulstars too [08:37] i always do my own oil changes, i quit going to those quick lube places when someone used a damn power tool to put the drain plug back on and stripped the threads, i had to re tap some new threads and put in a new drain plug bolt [08:37] I do my own car maintenance too. [08:37] Any self-respecting man should. [08:38] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:38] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-023-145.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:38] Nick change: BringingSexyBack -> TwinReverb [08:38] "but the wemminfolk should stay in the house"? [08:38] no..but the women should [08:38] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:38] meh. i guess i don't have self respect. i give my mechanic the oil and filter and let him get dirty [08:39] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:39] i change mine, and my wife can change hers [08:39] And you have LESS respect for your own car. [08:39] i do all my own work minus electrical [08:39] i work on cars for a livin [08:39] er on aircraft [08:39] F-16 currently [08:39] F-16 is not a car. [08:39] :| [08:39] well my woman would be shining something. :P [08:40] besides i dont like those quick lube places wanting to sell me everything under the hood, new air filter, new belt, change the transmission fluid, rear differential with new gear oil, [08:40] Pfft [08:40] that's all stuff you can do yourself. [08:40] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:40] yup [08:40] you can also replace a block yourself. wouldn't wanna do it [08:41] those quick lube places love to turn a 20 dollar oil change in to a 120 dollar fiasco [08:41] a block? :S [08:41] Pig_Pen, how? [08:41] "look how dirty your transmission fluid is!" [08:41] "man, your fuel filter looks like its shot" [08:41] One of my friends put in a rollcage+ seats + new engine and big knobby tires on a VW bug, so why not? [08:42] most of the time they're telling the truth,and most of the time you wouldn't give a @#4 anyways, you're just happy it works [08:42] made it a Baja buggy [08:42] ccfreak2k, does he have a winch in the garage? [08:42] Indeed. [08:42] pi31415, I don't think so. [08:42] winch? or hoist. [08:42] i've met people that don't change any fluids in their car. 'nuff said [08:43] i havent changed mine in 4k miles :P [08:43] My car leaks a small amount of oil, so it gets changed as a matter of course. :) [08:44] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-18-148.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:44] the last time i changed the oil in my pickup was just before christmas, i will do it again soon, i only change oil about 4 times a year, i do not drive a lot, maybe 20 miles a week [08:44] one time my coworker mentioned that his oil light came on when he took sharp turns. i decided to change his oil in my garage. i swear to god, we drained less than 1 quart of oil from that car. [nissan sentra, ~1994] [08:44] i meant hoist [08:45] yeah i did my friend's corolla a few months ago, same story [08:45] he was pretty close to seazing up the bearing in that car [08:45] he still drives that thing, and haven't had problems [08:45] she didn't remember changing the oil since buying the car [08:45] so if i wanted to change my own oil, should i get drive-up ramps to make space under the car? [08:46] You could, but it's not necessary I don't think. [08:46] pi31415 : depends on the car. with some it's easier to use jack stands [08:46] pi31415 : and unless you're comfortable with driving up on the ramps, jack stands will be safer [08:46] get a block of wood, jack, jackstand, grippy glove, and a shirt you don't mind throwing away [08:47] And overalls. [08:47] And a small radio. [08:47] second the overalls [08:47] Maybe a southern drawl. [08:47] i got a pair of huge hunting overalls, i used one year for haloween. they're perfect for the garage [08:47] only 1 jackstand? [08:47] pi31415 : two [08:47] radio? just pop the drain plug and go inside and recompile mozilla (i like to let mine sit a while) [08:48] ff compiles faster than i can change my oil... [08:48] for me [08:48] yeah using only one will probably warp your frame over time, but i doubt it's noticeable [08:48] psypete : my garage is 10 miles away from my house. i wish i had it closer [08:48] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:48] i think i actually don't jack my car up. IS has like 6 inches of clearance [08:48] there bought in sets. [08:49] me, when i get a vehicle, i change ALL fluids, then i schedule reminders in my kontact (kde calendar portion) and i also set up a spreadsheet to track what I had done and when [08:49] even with my car jacked up, its a tight fit [08:49] chopp: what, jack stands? i buy them individually... [08:49] i once had an 84 olds that lasted quite a long time. never gave me much trouble. [08:49] i suppose it would hurt if it fell off the jack while you were under it [08:49] i have to keep my head turned :/ [08:49] go to a garage [08:49] not enough room to look up [08:50] ##slackware: cars [08:50] ##slackware: "THERE's your problem" [08:50] damn low car [08:50] I've had a few blazers over the years that I put lift kits, and mudders on, that I could almost situp under. [08:51] ive never been able to do that [08:51] now, any of you gearheads wanna tell me if there's an easy way to adjust caster on a double wishbone independent front suspension? is300 [08:51] lexus? [08:51] ya [08:51] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.1.250.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [08:51] i destroyed a is300 that was sitting at a green light [08:51] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [08:52] Destroyed like "HULK SMASH"? [08:52] damn woman wasnt paying attention and messing with her dog in the back seat [08:52] i hit a curb and bent the two lower control arms, now the wheel has a bunch of negative caster and it's handling funny, pulling all over the place [08:52] "When I have to do work that requires the car to be jacked up on jack stands, I usually put the tires under the car. In case something goes wrong, the car will land on the tires. I'd much rather replace a tire or two than an arm or a leg." [08:52] like 'oh no, my all steel buick is going 65 and its raining and i cant stop and WAM!' [08:52] psypete, it's called go get replacement lower control arms and replace them, then have the front end aligned [08:53] i replaced the lower control arms and got an alignment [08:53] you can't adjust out bent suspension components. i mean, sure, you can, but you then alter the car's configuration and it's all downhill from there [08:53] damn lexus [08:53] if it's acting funny if you did the right thing (i.e. replace lower control arms and then align) then you have other issues. [08:54] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [08:54] yeah but all i need is to adjust the caster somehow... [08:54] like, if i could just add a shim or crash bolt or something [08:56] they should've adjusted caster during the front end alignment [08:56] take it back and make them do it right [08:56] caster may not be adjustable using traditional means [08:57] that's why i'm looking for an "alternative", because i think they did the best they could but it's still off [08:57] i have the alignment report and it's not to spec, it's still off, but i mean that must be as close as they could get it [09:02] the alternative is inspect the rest of the suspension and find what else is bent [09:02] If they can't get it to within specs, then something else needs replacing, and if you have the report, what is still out? [09:04] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:05] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [09:05] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [09:06] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.155.110) joined ##slackware. [09:06] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.155.110) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:06] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.155.110) joined ##slackware. [09:06] actually both the front and rear are out even though only the front right got hit [09:07] err front left, driver side [09:07] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.155.110) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:07] Nick change: SlackNeo_ -> SlackNeo [09:11] psypete: if your car was hit very hard it could have possibly bent the frame a little [09:11] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.155.110) joined ##slackware. [09:11] Nick change: sidmario_ -> sidmario [09:11] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.155.110) left irc: "leaving" [09:12] and any reputable allignment shop will discover that. [09:13] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:14] speaking of cars, does anyone likes in here rc cars ? 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[09:25] woohoo! nfs crypto install finally running [09:26] too bad all the repositories are cracked and the md5's are faked [09:29] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:30] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:31] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [09:33] Repositories for what? [09:34] StevenR (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:34] i think he meant suppositories :D [09:35] depends. rumors say kernel.org, redhat, fsf, and a lot more sites' repositories of various data have been cracked for a couple years and their md5s faked [09:36] fedora had a problem iirc but I can't remember what it was exactly [09:36] redhat had that problem for a short time and it was quickly fixed, thats the only place i heard it had happened [09:36] Ah, "rumours". ALways good for a laugh [09:36] if anything, there was an incident few months ago with redhat network, and the job was internal. [09:37] for a long time windows users believed redhad "was" Linux, as if there were no other distros [09:37] slackware's deb repository has been hacked too -_- [09:37] Pig_Pen, it was one of the most advertised [09:38] i think Linux is getting enough exposure now that windows users are starting to open their eyes to the fact that there are other OSs besides windows [09:38] Camarade_Tux: slackware's deb repository? [09:38] that and macosx's popularity [09:39] thumbs :D [09:39] the hidden special one, with haxor softwares [09:39] Camarade_Tux: what the hell are you talking about? [09:40] thumbs, made up everything of course, I'm quite bored right now [09:41] I suggested to a friend we set up a bot that lets us play tetris over an irc channel but he refused =/ [09:42] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:43] Pig_Pen: even now, many people believe that there is only "Linux" and they have no clue about the existance of many distros :) [09:44] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [09:46] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:47] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.4.48) joined ##slackware. [09:48] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:49] sad but true [09:53] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [09:54] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [09:59] rg3 (n=rg3@62.32.132.44) joined ##slackware. [10:01] linux is just a kernel [10:01] It doesn't help that Ubuntards keep saying "Linux is better". [10:01] what's the best way to install a perl module from cpan in slackware? (making a package and that stuff) [10:01] n00buntu ftw [10:02] "ubunru is better" is what they should be saying [10:09] mohaa (n=moha@85-170-145-6.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:09] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:10] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:11] rg3: perl MakeFile.PL; make install? [10:12] frullet: is that easy to remove later? [10:14] CPAN has its own "package manager" for perl modules. [10:16] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:16] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. 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[11:04] obama trades cow for magic beans :D [11:08] imexius_ (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:11] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.1.250.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [11:13] Pig_Pen, was that cow payed for with tax payer dollars ? [11:14] might never see the magic beans ... [11:14] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "The 7 Deadly Sins: Um raro prazer.   [www.t7ds.com.br]" [11:17] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-338385.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:20] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-338385.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:20] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-338385.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:20] lol [11:27] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-197-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [11:31] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:33] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: "leaving" [11:35] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.3) left irc: [11:37] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:38] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [11:38] moss23 (n=hrad___@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:39] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [11:41] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-122-12-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [11:42] if i text X8 to 19400 i can get "two girls one limo" [11:42] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [11:43] sure [11:43] oh late night tv [11:44] there are too many youth organisations [11:44] like, depression suicide selfharm organisations [11:44] "ya got girls in the front, girls in the back, and way in the back ya got money in a sack" - Roger Miller [11:44] i have the girls in the sack [11:45] straterra: how many for a sackful? [11:45] depends [11:45] how much rather [11:45] skinny or larger girls? [11:45] any specialty? [11:45] what have you got in stock? [11:45] anything you need [11:45] japanese? [11:46] yes [11:46] german? [11:46] in the scat and nonscat varieties [11:46] for both [11:46] german also comes in librarian [11:46] i'll take a non-scat japanese and a german librarian [11:47] lesbian, bisexual, or straight? [11:47] surprise me [11:47] your order is fulfilled [11:47] 6-8 weeks? [11:47] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-197-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:48] hell no [11:48] 3-5 days [11:48] but i havent given you any money or shipping details [11:48] i dont care [11:49] i take all forms of payment..even first born [11:49] do you take discover? [11:49] indeed [11:50] i even take al gore's 'eco friendly bucks' [11:50] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6vsvUAtuXM&feature=related [11:52] straterra: can i give you a drawing of a spider? [11:52] yes, but it has to be a zomgamazing and zomghuge and zomgwaterproof one [11:52] :) [11:53] how about the one off dailywtf? [11:53] no [11:54] straterra: well how much is it? [11:55] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [12:02] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:04] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:07] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@217.201.213.56) joined ##slackware. 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[12:25] does anyone know how i can get sony ericsson xperia (x1 WM6) to work with slackware? only to open the phone and put pictures and music? [12:27] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-18-148.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [12:29] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.4.48) left irc: ":wq" [12:29] Ro8inB, do you have a usb cable for it? [12:30] yes [12:30] what happens when you plug it in? [12:31] does the phone beep and ask which mode to use? [12:31] hey, where can I see what config files are read after during login ? cause there are no .bashrc / .profile files in ~/ ... I know about /etc/profile but I know it's not the only one [12:31] it doesn't happen anything [12:31] but the battery charge. [12:31] does dmesg show anything? [12:32] plug it in and run 'dmesg | tail' [12:32] cuba: man bash, especially as the section on "INVOCATION" [12:32] cuba: you have to make your own ~/.bashrc & ~/.bash_profile [12:32] ok, I'll try it. [12:32] BP{k}, hiya [12:32] BP{k}, yes, but that's not for slackware, it's in general [12:33] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-122-12-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:33] cuba: um, no. [12:33] i need more booze [12:33] dive: good afternoon-ish. :) [12:33] cuba: bash(1) describes how bash deals with it as intended by *upstream*. [12:33] Foolproof Operation: [12:33] No provision for adjustment. [12:33] root@Robin:~# dmesg | tail [12:33] Channel flood from Ro8inB -- kicking [12:33] usb 1-4: USB disconnect, address 5 [12:33] usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address [12:34] usb 1-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [12:34] Ro8inB kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [12:34] Pig_Pen, I know, the problem is, that for example JAVA_HOME is set, I grep through /etc/ and ~/ and there is no file with this parameter set [12:34] Pig_Pen, so I don't where it is from [12:34] cuba: ah. wait, I think I know what you are asking. [12:34] cuba: for 1) /etc/profile is read and you can follow the code from there [12:35] Action: spook pats slackboy [12:35] BP{k}, yes, but there is no JAVA_HOME env var set, tough it exists :) [12:35] Ro8inB (i=0@c83-248-8-198.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [12:36] hey again. [12:36] cuba: 1) you're grep/find skills are weak then. [12:36] did you get it dive? [12:36] cuba, /etc/profile.d/jre.sh [12:37] cuba: *IF* have you READ / FOLLOWED the code in /etc/profile ... you would have found it. if you have searched through "/etc/" if you stated. you would have found it. [12:37] renew_01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-175-85.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:37] usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address [12:37] Ro8inB, some but do not paste in here or you get auto kicked - if you want to show us the output go to a pastebin site like pastebin.ca or rafb.net, make a paste there and put the link to it in here [12:37] BP{k}: if you had grammar makes sensed nope? [12:37] ok dive. [12:39] spook: yes. I am sure it made enough sense. [12:39] http://pastebin.ca/1343780 [12:39] BP{k}: i'm drunk so long sentences are challenging :P [12:39] spook: yes, as per usual, huh? :P [12:40] drunking irc is like first class on a plane [12:40] you still die, just like the rest if it goes really wrong, but you won't care as much? [12:40] Ro8inB, are you using a stock kernel or custom built? [12:40] sdns (n=swordfis@ip-150-125-ull.customer.panservice.it) joined ##slackware. [12:40] only a few people get to do it, while everyone else is stuck in economy class with the middle aged male stewards [12:40] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:41] stock i think, slackware DVD. [12:41] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [12:42] well it isn't detecting it as usb/scsi storage which is what it should do [12:42] ok. [12:42] dive, BP{k}, I'm idiot, I uninstalled jre and then just restart X, instead of logging off and on before....thanks [12:42] what can i do? [12:42] when I plug my sony ericson in the phone asks me which mode to use - phone mode or usb (or something similar) [12:43] hmm. [12:43] I should check that the manual says it is actually capable of that, or ask the shop where you bought it, ericson website etc [12:43] you may need to install special software for it to work [12:44] Action: stitchman grumbles. [12:44] ok I'll try that. Thank you. [12:44] now that i'm drunk i should do some calculus [12:44] i just bought a 3 dial combination lock from walmart, the kind that you set your own combination [12:44] and when i got home i noticed it was open [12:45] someone opened it, and set the combo [12:45] stitchman: lol. [12:45] so i just sat here and brute forced the combo, went from 841 through 125 [12:45] oops [12:45] cuba: hehe. Well basically it's like this: when /etc/profile is called, at some point in the script it actually sources every script in the /etc/profile.d directory (which is where JAVA and KDE/QT and a whole host of other things are set. [12:45] stitchman: not very secure [12:45] i guess it could have been worse [12:46] its just gonna be used for a gym locker at the ymca [12:46] ymca? [12:46] thats a real place? [12:47] yeah its nice [12:47] you jest spook? [12:47] dive: i thought it was just a song :P [12:47] heh [12:47] Young Mans Christian Association [12:47] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRF9mfKgknY [12:47] That is too good [12:47] or something [12:48] i just bought a family membership, they have a gym, pool, sauna, free classes for members, and kids area and babysitting services while you are there [12:48] nice [12:48] dive: yellow menstrating cock association? [12:48] and much cheaper than a real gym, family friendly [12:48] ewwww [12:48] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: "Leaving" [12:49] dive: you didnt ewwww at your definition? [12:49] Action: dive gets his eel helmet [12:49] Action: spook loads the eel cannon with drunken eels [12:51] Action: spook fires drunken eels at physics [12:51] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-18-148.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:51] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:51] Ether_Man_ (n=polx@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:52] Action: Camarade_Tux gets the flak cannon and shoots at window [12:52] s [12:52] Action: spook shoots windows at flak cannons [12:52] poor flak cannons ! [12:52] Action: dive realises his actually in UT again [12:53] Action: dive puts a bullet through Camarade_Tux's head [12:53] dive: except its UT: MUD edition [12:53] seems like it [12:53] it tries to "scan for windows installations" but can't see the *two* that are there [12:53] dive, ='( [12:53] Action: spook get the quad damage and redeemer [12:53] Camarade_Tux, what does? [12:53] uh oh [12:53] Action: spook shoots dive and Camarade_Tux [12:54] you don't need to kill me, I'm gonna hang myself because of windows :p [12:54] Action: spook shoots the room [12:54] MONSTER KILL [12:54] MO-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-ONSTER KILL ! [12:54] M M M M M M M M MONSTER KILL!!! [12:54] lol [12:54] oh right, it was the M, not the O ;p [12:55] yeah I think killing mooonsters is out [12:55] Gargantua, wtf was that? [12:55] maybe they enjoy the mooooooooon [12:55] BP{k}, it is exactly why I'm confused, cause the /profile.d/jre.sh was deleted, and when I run new login shell in X, the JAVA_HOME is still there....isn't it weird ? [12:56] after about 10-20 consecutive monster kills it looks round and you get double kill etc again [12:56] Bale [12:56] BP{k}, do I have to log off from the login shell from which X was started ? [12:56] cuba, a new login shell in X is not enough - you need log out of console fully [12:57] indeed [12:57] Action: spook fire the tau cannon at the Gargantua [12:57] well I'm gonna reinstall win7, or rather 2k3 and then win7, and then hang myself because it still doesn't work [12:58] Action: dive rips spook to shreds with the Impact Hammer. Disgraced!! [12:58] Action: spook telefrag spawn camps dive [12:58] dammit [12:58] cheat [12:59] i played UT WAAAAAY to much [12:59] yeah sounds like we all have [12:59] i also play jk2 waaaaay too much [12:59] I should be playing UT tonight :D [12:59] I might have a game later, alcohol first though [12:59] well, have to hurry [12:59] dive, yeah, of course ;) [12:59] Camarade_Tux, you play assault much? [12:59] or a vodka shot each time you die :D [13:00] dive: i'm pretty dubekd [13:00] assault is awesome. [13:00] dive, I though the /etc/profile is run for each (tty AND pts) new login shell ... [13:00] and which version? UT99? [13:00] dive, depends on what the others agree to play [13:00] bombing run is fuuuuuuun :) [13:00] ut99? anything else just isnt UT [13:00] UT 2004 :D [13:00] cuba, loggin out of X doesn't really count [13:00] dive, all year [13:00] anything else just isnt UT [13:00] Camarade_Tux, I still prefer UT99 [13:01] play assault mainly [13:01] in a nice clan - B33R - but I'm fairly inactive now [13:02] I mostly play in LAN :) [13:02] well, really have to move my arse off [13:02] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-18-148.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [13:02] spook, which name do you play under? [13:02] i've been meaning to try FOSS fps's [13:03] dive: spook. but not online anymore [13:03] I tried one but it was less than awesome [13:03] nothing decent left in australia [13:03] I usually go by the name of Quasi^ [13:04] or whatever I can think up on spur of moment that's funny [13:04] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-18-148.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:05] forgot to backup the drivers, but also forgot I couldn't back them up since the partitions were corrupt [13:05] time to read starwars till i passout [13:06] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-18-148.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [13:07] renew_01 (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:08] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:09] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-122-12-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:10] dive, so if I understand that, env vars are set from starting tty, and they don't change for any pts kind of login shell on X, started from that tty [13:10] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [13:11] I think it depends on whether your term is set to do login shells [13:11] not overly sure on how it works [13:12] dive, if it is started with - or -login switch... [13:12] something like that [13:12] why wouldn't it [13:12] I haven't really looked into it [13:12] but it doesn't actually ") [13:13] best thing to do is experiment with it [13:13] see what works what doesn't... [13:13] cause the JAVA_HOME is everytime there, even though the /profile.d/jre.sh was deleted [13:13] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-184-140.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:14] even after logging out of console that started X? [13:14] no, just after starting new login shell [13:14] from X [13:14] right [13:16] I'll investigate [13:17] tribeca (n=naitso@host220-9-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:17] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=Nikolai-@201.20.64.142) joined ##slackware. [13:17] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-18-148.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:17] tribeca (n=naitso@host220-9-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:18] KjellB (i=kjellkod@cpe-217-208-253-54.it-roteln.narkotikapolisen.se) joined ##slackware. [13:18] got windows back but lost linux in the process [13:18] Action: Camarade_Tux grabs the channel's official eel cannon and shoots himself [13:19] you mean you lost the boot loader? or linux partition itself? [13:19] grub's gone [13:19] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Connection reset by peer [13:19] I'm gonna restore it, for the twentiest time today :) [13:20] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [13:20] I think I'm gonna use a slack install dvd, installpkg grub and install it back, I'm tired of gparted live [13:20] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-18-148.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [13:21] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:21] Nikolai-Zanovsk (n=Nikolai-@201.20.64.142) left irc: "Leaving" [13:22] I wish you could 'lock' the mbr while installing windows [13:23] why? [13:24] to prevent windows from wiping it. [13:24] just boot the linux cd/dvd and recreate the mbr [13:24] you can always back it up and restore [13:24] i would atleast [13:24] I'd rather not have to do that. [13:24] or do what C00re said [13:24] Ether_Man_ (n=polx@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Connection timed out [13:25] I'm no new to this - this is sheer frustration after installing windows too many times [13:25] their installer should be smart and ask you if you want to wipe it, or at least have an advanced install mode [13:25] it would be better if windows shipped with a boot loader instead of taking over the mbr [13:26] i mean a proper boot loader [13:26] one that supports linux and other oses [13:26] yes [13:26] but we can always dream on [13:26] yep [13:26] Ro8inB (i=0@c83-248-8-198.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:28] well.. afaik you can boot linux from windows bootloader.. how is another question :P [13:29] you mean adding an entry in boot.ini works? [13:29] fascinating [13:30] well, if you have the .exe file [13:30] i think [13:30] the.... what? [13:30] huh? [13:30] google knows :P [13:32] sanesto (n=sanestoo@modemcable127.214-56-74.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [13:32] hey guys [13:32] anyone here ? [13:32] only us shadows [13:33] lol [13:33] *flickers away* [13:33] i'm new to slackware [13:33] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-79-194.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:33] i want to install it [13:33] welcome [13:33] i already have ubuntu and windows xp installed and want to install it aside them [13:33] i downloaded the slack 12.2 [13:33] i boot it [13:34] then i do fdisk /dev/hda [13:34] is that correct ? [13:34] cfdisk might be more friendly :) [13:34] yes i tried cfdisk [13:34] and hda if you have an ide disk. [13:34] but the problem is [13:34] it shows that i have like 4136MB free [13:34] to partition [13:34] sanesto: little tip, more content, less enter ;) [13:34] while i have around 60000 [13:35] (ok sorry for the enters) [13:36] why is it saying i have 4000 while i have 60000 MB unpartitioned ? [13:36] sanesto: how do you know you really have 60GB free? [13:36] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-18-148.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:36] when i was installing windows i freed it up, plus when i installed ubuntu i left 60gb unpartitioned [13:36] cfdisk begs to differ [13:37] what does that mean ? [13:37] sanesto: pastebin the output from fisk -l [13:37] ok [13:37] grub should at least warn people when they write "setup (hd0,0)" instead of "setup (hd0)" [13:37] ... [13:37] I was actually killing the first partition [13:37] hahaha [13:37] how terrible of grub to do as its told! [13:37] http://pastebin.com/m74cda3a2 [13:38] sorry i'm not a linux expert, so you guys will have to explain to me [13:38] :) [13:39] From grub you came .. to lilo you went ... "in nomini, patri et fili spiritus, Sancti" Amen.... [13:39] thrice`, I completely agree, that's why I hoped it would "warn" ;) [13:39] BP{k}: what does it mean in this case? :) [13:39] BP{k}: impressive [13:40] so ? :P [13:40] pupit: use lilo ;) and probably something among the lines of "ooooops" [13:40] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:40] sanesto: you do not have 60 GB free [13:40] around 50gb [13:40] I gave up lilo when I couldn't install it [13:40] well for one thing that shows it's /dev/sda not hda [13:40] sanesto: nope [13:40] thumbs: I am sure someone is relieved those sundays weren't completly wasted ;) [13:40] well, I couldn't install grub either but I finally managed [13:40] BP{k}: u say, grub is better than lilo? [13:40] hehe, /dev/hda was probably your dvd-rw :) [13:40] sanesto: you have ~1200 cylinders unallocated. [13:41] pupit: no. [13:41] sanesto: that's about 4 GB. [13:41] neither is "better" than the other per se. I just prefer lio over grub. [13:41] well how can i unallocate those W95 stuff [13:41] sanesto: back up the data, and delete the partition with cfdisk [13:41] BP{k}: agree. [13:42] how can i delete the partitions ? [13:42] sanesto: with cfdisk [13:42] i run cfdisk, then i do what ? [13:42] look at the menus on the bottom. [13:42] sanesto, use arrow keys [13:42] how can i backup the data ? there's nothing on those, i mean i didn't know they even existed [13:42] time to shower :) [13:42] cfdisk /dev/sda [13:42] ah ok guys [13:42] i'll try it and be back [13:42] sanesto: mount the partition, and cp the data over. [13:43] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:43] so brb 15 mins [13:43] sanesto: if there is anything on there to begin with [13:43] good luck:) [13:43] oh wait [13:43] i can try it without quitting [13:43] lemme try it [13:43] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [13:43] sanesto: and DO NOT delete the extended partition. [13:43] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.46.53) joined ##slackware. [13:43] sweet ubuntu user.. :) [13:44] evening [13:44] guys [13:44] i want to show you what i see when i press cfdisk, it writes 60gb free [13:44] 9269505 blocks... is that enough? [13:44] sanesto: I find that hard to believe. [13:45] http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1220/screenshot1x.png [13:45] sanesto: that's not free space. That's your extended partition. [13:45] hmmmm, ubuntu [13:45] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [13:46] sanesto: 136GB primary, 60GB extended. [13:46] hmmm, how can i make that free space to partition it ? [13:46] Camarade_Tux: i told ya. [13:46] sanesto: it's already used by your logical partitions. [13:46] urgh what a mess. :) [13:46] pupit, heh, right, didn't see ;) [13:46] sanesto: and those partitions are terrible too [13:46] i'm bad at partitioning [13:46] sanesto: traditionally, all primary partitions should appear before the extended partition [13:47] all i want to know is : [13:47] Action: Camarade_Tux has up to sda10, and sdb3 [13:47] sanesto: you may have to wipe it all and do it properly, or you won't be able to allocate some space [13:47] sanesto, if you're bad at partitioning you should consider using lvm [13:47] thumbs, fdisk sorts them by their number, cfdisk by their layout [13:47] guys [13:47] listen to me [13:47] Camarade_Tux: good catch [13:48] i need 130gb for xp which is already there as primary [13:48] Camarade_Tux: however, sda2 should be primary [13:48] 9gb for a recovery fat32 disk [13:48] 40gb for ubuntu [13:48] Camarade_Tux: something is amiss in his layout [13:48] all i want to do is, with the other space left, make a partition to install slackware on it [13:48] sanesto: do u suggest, that we buy u some new hdd? [13:49] thumbs, yep, sda2 sure had an accident [13:49] no. [13:49] sanesto: the problem is that sda2 is your extended boundary, while sda3 is primary [13:49] thumbs: I am gonna guess he partitioned the freespace first in windows. Windows has a long standing habbit to *not* use primary disks but move everything into extended/logical partitions. [13:49] sanesto: that will create issues. [13:49] BP{k}: possibly. [13:49] damn windows [13:50] BP{k}, actually windows REQUIRES a primary partition for its boot files (and 7 still does) [13:50] Camarade_Tux: for it's own yes. [13:50] whats the solution for this without having to delete or backup my data [13:50] sanesto: back up your ubuntu data, and wipe it. [13:50] usually I don't repartition, I wipe everything and recreate from scratch [13:51] sanesto: you'll need to wipe the 10GB recovery partition too. [13:51] Camarade_Tux: any additional partions you make through Windows will show up as logical partiotions. Not as hda{2,3} primary partitions. Almost as noone at microsoft wants to touch the fact you can have up to 4 primary partitions. [13:51] well i can't wipe everything because i need that 10gb that came with my pc, i can't take that out nor can i back it up, HP made it [13:51] having a backup is a must if you're messing with your partitions, shrinking filesystems is an imperfect science :P [13:51] sanesto: essentially, you need to keep the 130GB NTFS partition, and delete the rest. [13:51] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.158.179) joined ##slackware. [13:51] sanesto: then you will have partitioning issues. [13:52] grow some cajones and wipe it! [13:52] BP{k}, yep, I simply stopped using the windows tools for partitionning and nearly all GUIs for partitionning [13:52] sanesto: you either live with the loss of hard drive space, or you do it properly [13:52] sanesto: there is no other way around [13:52] Camarade_Tux: I just stopped using windows ;) [13:53] sanesto, you can wipe those "restoration" partitions [13:53] BP{k}, heh, I want to compile things on/for windows [13:53] does he want to do that? :) [13:53] but in the last month, I've used linux like 97-98% of the time [13:54] in the last 3 years, I've used linux 99.999999% of the time [13:54] hmmmm [13:54] why can't he boot into windows, make a folder in the ntfs and backup the w95 stuff there? [13:54] I *hate* the restoration partitions [13:54] so, say i wiped out my 10gb partition, what do i do next ? [13:54] gotta hurry [13:54] then restore it after [13:54] Action: nachox doesnt have a choice but to use vista at work [13:54] sanesto: wipe everything but the 130Gb NTFS partition. [13:54] actually, I've used slackware 99.99999% of the time [13:54] and then what do i do ? after i wiped all out ? [13:55] create new proper partitions with cfdisk [13:55] that's the only solution [13:55] sanesto: make another primary partition as fat32 [13:55] sanesto, can you read that w95 partition from windows? [13:55] no i can't [13:55] it'll become sda2 [13:55] that's the prob [13:55] k [13:55] i open it and it's empty [13:55] hidden files? [13:56] goo1 (n=goo@cust-214-71.on2.ontelecoms.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:56] goo1 (n=goo@cust-214-71.on2.ontelecoms.gr) left ##slackware. [13:57] i don't know, i haven't tried to see if they are hidden [13:57] sanesto: why haven't you tried? [13:57] can i try that from ubuntu or i need to open xp ? [13:58] sanesto: you can mount it in ubuntu [13:58] sanesto: however, you're gonna have to wipe ubuntu too. [13:58] ok that's not a problem [13:58] so what you suggest it [13:59] if you can see files there copy them into a folder on xp drive [13:59] backup all data and the fat [13:59] sanesto: backup your /home/user on ubuntu to a usb stick [13:59] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-148-207.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:59] then i delete all the partitions except for the first one [13:59] sanesto: or a dvd-r, if you have a burner. [13:59] when i do that, i'll have just 1 primary partition ? [13:59] yes. [14:00] then you can make another fat32 primary partition, 10GB [14:00] if you still need that to begin with [14:00] well i figured out i don't need it anymore [14:00] keep in mind that you can install ubuntu and slackware on logical partitions without problems [14:00] good. [14:01] then, what do u suggest : i install ubuntu or slackware first [14:01] ? [14:01] either is fine. [14:01] ok so basically i do an ext3 and swap for ubuntu, install it [14:01] then i do the ext3 and swap for slackware and install it ? [14:01] sure. [14:01] so each one needs it's own swap ? [14:01] re-use the swap, of course [14:01] i can use the same swap ? [14:01] you can re-use the swap partition, yes [14:02] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [14:02] ok but each one a different ext3 [14:02] the slackware installer will find it [14:02] depends on whether you want to hibernate or not!! [14:02] yea ok [14:02] and is installing slackware difficult ? [14:02] if you hibernate ubuntu, then boot slack it will overwrite ubuntu hibernation data [14:02] no. [14:02] ok [14:02] thanks guys [14:03] i'll get back here if i need some more help [14:03] :) [14:03] have fun:) [14:03] thanks [14:03] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:03] sanesto (n=sanestoo@modemcable127.214-56-74.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [14:04] cya in 5 [14:06] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [14:06] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:06] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) joined ##slackware. [14:07] ahmed-tux (n=rhapsody@adsl196-128-75-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:09] ahmed-tux (n=rhapsody@adsl196-128-75-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. 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[14:31] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:32] Guest1740878011 (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:32] well there is slackbasics.org. [14:34] and manpages / /usr/doc/* ;) [14:34] GsXs, now , just pickup the documentation for that u wanna know [14:34] fAu (i=1000@217.202.205.159) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:34] bash , services etc [14:34] hm. [14:35] no need to be "slackware Documentation" [14:35] I want to learn more about configuring, making etc kernels [14:35] custom kernels [14:35] pickup a kernel howto then [14:35] yeah (sorry, bad english) [14:36] I want to be able to make my own custom kernel [14:36] and understand it, [14:36] kernel how to will start you up [14:36] where can i find it? [14:36] google [14:36] "/usr/src/linux/Documentation" [14:37] BP{k}: hello , how are you ? [14:37] "kernel how to" [14:37] ok [14:37] thank you guys, i'll google it [14:37] GsXs, algo what BP{k} told [14:38] Guest1740878011 (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:38] hi everybody ! [14:39] GsXs: also http://kernelnewbies.org/ is probably a good start [14:40] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:40] sanesto (n=sanestoo@modemcable127.214-56-74.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:40] hey guys, i'm back [14:41] i just have a question when using cfdisk [14:41] ahmed-tux: I am okay, thanks. [14:41] sanesto: just ask :) No need to ask to ask. [14:41] i deleted all the partitions so i'm left with the 130gb primary and a free space partition of about 120gb [14:42] when i try to do a new partition from the free space, i type it's size, but the partition type is created "Linux" [14:42] macavity (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:42] how can i choose between fat32,ext3,swap ... ? [14:42] evening ladies and gents :-) [14:42] sanesto: option "Type" [14:42] macavity: good evening to you. [14:42] where can i find that ? [14:43] sadsfae, /sbin/mkfs.ext3 /dev/partition [14:43] sanesto, , /sbin/mkfs.ext3 /dev/partition [14:43] ** [14:43] if i do that it will convert it to ext3 ? [14:43] not *convert* [14:43] mkfs - build a Linux file system [14:43] and how can i build a fat32 system ? [14:44] *format* it in ext3... as in, kill all date and make a new empty filesystem [14:44] mkdosfs(8) [14:44] *data [14:44] mkfs -t type [14:44] i do these after creating the partitions in cfdisk ? [14:44] i'm a buiding the kernel 2.6.28, i have already done -> make oldconfig , make <- but i would like to know where -> make modules_install install <-puts the files in order i can make a tgz package ! [14:44] may i make a tgz package for the kernel ? [14:45] it's the first time i build a kernel :-) [14:45] paissad: you "may" do that, but personally I doubt there is much need. [14:45] do you have more than one slack box to install it on? because then there will be need. [14:46] so what i understand is, i must create the partitions, then i format them as i need [14:46] create the partitions and the setup will prompt you to format them [14:46] BP{k}, why not so much need ? [14:46] paissad: you can find Patrick's kernel buildscript under source/ on your local ftp mirror and addjust it [14:46] just one slack [14:46] fAu (i=1000@217.202.232.8) joined ##slackware. [14:46] but i want to create a swap partition, two ext3s and one fat32 [14:46] will the setup tell me to format them all ? [14:47] if you creat them, it will format [14:47] it will ask me what type i want to format ? [14:47] hmmm [14:47] who will format, cfdisk or setup ? [14:47] setup [14:47] sanesto, use cfdisk to create then select filesystem type [14:47] sanesto: more or less, It will give you several options for linux filesystems. [14:47] you have to specify the partition types but other than that yeah setup takes care of it [14:47] http://slackbook.org [14:47] jota- (n=jota@190.6.2.24) joined ##slackware. [14:47] GsXs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [14:47] rworkman++ [14:47] where do i specify the types ? in setup or cfdisk ? [14:47] http://slackbook.org [14:47] cfdisk [14:48] cfdisk [14:48] when do i specify them ? after creating it ? [14:48] http://slackbook.org [14:48] yyyyyeah [14:48] sanesto, just check the type option [14:48] i can't find the type option... [14:48] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:48] cfdisk is small, you will find it [14:48] haha [14:49] sanesto, that is after you make your partitions on the disc [14:49] its the [ type ] button... [14:49] first of all, all i create are primary partitions, yes ? [14:49] can be, yeah [14:49] rworkman++ hehe [14:49] rworkman: hi Robby :) [14:49] are you sure you will even survive getting X up and runnng on slackware? [14:49] ok thanks [14:49] :) [14:49] sanesto: *cough* http://sweet.nodns4.us/ [14:49] sanesto (n=sanestoo@modemcable127.214-56-74.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [14:49] >_< [14:50] macavity: hi \o [14:50] there goes a brave man [14:50] lol [14:50] gar0t0: ohai! [14:50] gar0t0: hey hey [14:50] to be fair, when i started with slack i already knew about lynx/links so i was safe [14:52] weekend + Carnaval = sux days [14:53] Carnaval is going on right now? [14:56] rworkman: yes! 5 days [14:57] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:57] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:57] gar0t0: score drunk chicks? [14:57] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [14:58] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] O_o [14:58] score drunk chicks ? [14:59] hm, [14:59] macavity: I'm married [15:00] technically those those aren't mutually exclusive ... ;) [15:00] lol [15:00] s|those those|those two| [15:04] anyone have a quick faq on hibernation? do i use my standard swap or do i need an extra swap just for hibernate? [15:05] arny (n=arny@79.119.156.229) joined ##slackware. [15:05] hola :) [15:06] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-202-6.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] psypete, just need 1 swap [15:07] with a size a little bigger than the ram amount you have [15:08] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-122-12-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving." [15:08] damn, how much is a little bigger? [15:09] i dont know, might not be an issue cause i think it compresses the data [15:13] nod_ (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [15:14] Guest1740878011 (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:14] Nick change: nod_ -> nod [15:15] Anyone happen to be have gnome installed and can test something for me? [15:15] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:15] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: No route to host [15:16] eewww gnome. [15:17] rworkman: I have grown to like xfce quite a bit [15:17] is there any standard slack networking tools that i can specify to poll forever for dhcp, and upon getting a lease execute some extra commands? [15:18] thumbs: yep, it's quite nice. [15:18] i can use wpa_supplicant for the wireless card but i'd like to do it for ethernet too [15:19] psypete: it's not part of Slackware, but ifplugd (I think that's the name) can do the first part, and then dhcpcd can execute something when it gets a lease [15:19] tribeca (n=naitso@host220-9-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [15:19] You might also be able to place an inotify watch on the /sys file that reflects link activity [15:19] but I don't know if /sys supports inotify watches; it may not. I don't think /proc does [15:19] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:20] QWonder (n=QW@c-71-203-15-133.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:21] If Old_Fogie or any other gnome'r pops in while I'm away, could someone ask him to test this: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4970 [15:21] dell mini9 or HP Mini note ? what's better? [15:22] No idea [15:22] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [15:26] PeeArr (n=aaron@c-67-172-158-104.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] o hai! [15:34] nullboy: Amateur Porn Start Killer 3 [15:34] hahaha [15:34] there was 2?! before! [15:35] star* [15:36] rworkman: link status wouldn't really do it tho, since link != dhcp [15:36] k_wolf (n=wolf@201008254164.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:36] but ifplugd is interesting, maybe it can save me from writing a script [15:37] whats that do? :| [15:37] hmm anyone running the latest of slackware-current but *with* a kernel later then 2.6.27.7? (who want to test if they can run vsftpd from inetd, then connect to it without a problem. [15:37] acidchild: see, now, that title can be interpreted in a number of ways...depending on where you pause and accent the words.... [15:37] are they amateur porn stars, or amature killers of porn stars [15:37] this is very important to a potential viewer [15:37] acidkill: amateur porn start, killer [15:37] killing the porn stars! =( [15:38] are the porn stars amateurs, or is the killer? [15:38] who has character development in this? lol [15:38] lol [15:38] psypete: assuming inotifywatch would trigger on the link status change, you could run dhcpcd when it changes to active, and then dhcpcd runs the whatever else you want to happen [15:38] acidkill: i've got another film on atm [15:39] nice, ATM is hot [15:39] BP{k}: are you implying that it doesn't work well from inetd? [15:39] :/ [15:39] right but i'd rather it continue to poll dhcp regardless of link status (say you have been plugged in but your dhcp server failed) [15:39] lol [15:39] rworkman: correct. [15:39] acidchild: in the heat of the moment..its ok to go ATM sometimes =) [15:39] Wonderful. [15:39] ATV or ATP...ehhh...not too keen on that one lol [15:39] BP{k}: that's the one thing I didn't test with it before sending it to Pat :/ [15:39] omfg [15:39] :\ [15:39] psypete: would wicd be an option for you? it can run scripts at "pst- pre- and disconnect" [15:40] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011912]" [15:40] QWonder (n=QW@c-71-203-15-133.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:40] well, arny must not have either, as he added it [15:40] =o [15:40] QWonder (n=QW@c-71-203-15-133.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:40] rworkman BP{k} there is a report on LQ as well about latest vsftpd not working [15:40] be: what is wicd, and can it poll an ethernet device continuously? [15:40] uia [15:40] alienBOB: hey :) [15:41] alienBOB: yes. I know. I posted on that thread ;) [15:41] wicd will not automatically switch over for you either [15:41] alienBOB: see SBo devel channel :) [15:41] alienBOB: reading about finances today ? [15:41] Wicd will switch to a wired connection in the 1.6.x releases, but they haven't happened yet [15:41] acidkill: i think its better the other way around. [15:41] gar0t0: no, reading about finances is something I really like to avoid [15:42] acidkill: http://www.theonlydevice.com/amateur-porn-star-killer-3-the-final-chapter/ [15:42] psypete: wicd calls itself a "connection manager" - i assume it polls continuously, but that is transparent to the user. [15:42] alienBOB: lol, me too! but, I dont read about this [15:42] :D [15:42] AEnima1578 (n=asdfjkl@c-71-62-151-225.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:43] thrice`, what? :) [15:44] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.6) joined ##slackware. [15:46] arny: was just a joke :) someone mentioned vsftpd is broken in -current [15:47] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [15:47] we'll blame rworkman :> [15:47] infotek411 (i=8096@shell.datasync.com) joined ##slackware. [15:50] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [15:50] kurrata (n=kurrata@customer-198.214.livas.lv) joined ##slackware. [15:51] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [15:52] hi, i installed slackware today and didnt want to install lilo since i have grub already. Now im editing it but cant find initrd. Any suggestions where i could find it? [15:52] did you make one? [15:52] kurrata: You'll need to create one. [15:53] i see [15:53] kurrata: See /boot/README.initrd [15:53] infotek411 (i=8096@shell.datasync.com) left irc: "wow." [15:53] g'day [15:55] its unreadable :s [15:55] it's copy/paste, nearly [15:56] ahmed-tux (n=rhapsody@adsl196-128-75-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) left ##slackware. [15:57] thrice`, OK :) [15:58] i've built a new kernel with the basic commands make oldconfig && make && make modules_install , but i would like to know if i need to make an initrd knowing that the current and working kernel i'm using is a huge-smp one ! [15:58] samychow (n=cool@24.238.42.70.res-cmts.tv13.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [15:58] paissad: Most likely not. [15:59] it's the first time i build a kernel, so i don't know much things [15:59] jkwood, thanks [15:59] paissad: The huge kernel config should have everything you need. [15:59] Action: jkwood runs the huge kernel [15:59] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:59] why bother to compile the same huge-sml kernel ? [15:59] could someone help me get my ethernet card working? # lspci [15:59] Ethernet Controller: Atheros Communications, Inc.: Unknown Device [16:00] DeeeP, i built an new kernel to get ext4 feature working more properly [16:00] you're missing pciids for that card [16:00] samychow, u should update pci.ids file [16:00] to get lspci more exact [16:00] Action: psypete would love to find a 3rd party tool that can act as GUI wpa_supplicant editor and suid wrapper for user to control polling etc [16:00] DeeeP how do i do that? [16:01] samychow, one moment [16:01] samychow: start with update-pciids [16:01] sdns (n=swordfis@ip-150-125-ull.customer.panservice.it) left irc: Client Quit [16:02] nullboy, nice, i usually do it manually :) didnt know that file [16:02] well, i did this -----> paissad@paissad:/usr/src/linux-2.6.28/arch/x86/boot$ sudo cp -vi bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.28-smp_paissad [16:02] rc.inet1.conf was kinda unintuitive for setting up basic wireless config... editing wpa_sup.c was simple enough but the 3 lines required in rc.inet1.conf just to get it to run wasn't [16:03] but i cannot find a System.map into the current directory, [16:03] nullyboy, i don't have ethernet :) I found the driver I need. http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html [16:03] ut2004player (n=Miranda@82-44-249-152.cable.ubr05.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:04] DeeeP: To get a newer version, I imagine. [16:04] ok ok [16:06] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:06] samychow: umm, atheros is not ralink [16:06] well what driver do i need for the asus eee 1000h? [16:06] an atheros driver [16:06] kurrata (n=kurrata@customer-198.214.livas.lv) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:06] iirc eeepc uses atheros wifi [16:07] what about eth0 [16:07] hold on, i'm using that exact lappie rigfht now lemme look [16:09] schweet. thanks [16:09] ath5k [16:09] of course i'm using slack 12.2 and my card got detected by default... [16:09] im using slax right now.. [16:10] this channel explained that deal with slax not being slackware last night [16:10] :x [16:10] ... [16:10] is it really that big of a deal i mean im looking for an ethernet driver [16:10] yeah [16:10] go upgrade your kernel in slax [16:10] or download a madwifi module for slax [16:10] ok well now i am on my laptop that has slackware 8.0 and i need a ethernet driver [16:11] no you're not [16:11] you're on a laptop running slax [16:12] Slackware 8.0!?!?! [16:12] ut2004player (n=Miranda@82-44-249-152.cable.ubr05.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [16:12] mwalling had a whole wiki page dedicated to setting up slackware on eeepc [16:13] nullboy: beat me to that reference :) [16:13] Action: alienBOB will have his eeepc 904ha next week [16:13] I am running Slax off of a 256MB USB stick. could someone just help me get these ethernet drivers installed or point me to a HOWTO so I can install a distro to my harddrive? I have never done this before (drivers). [16:13] so far haven't need any special configuration for my eeepc, just pxe-booting the installer and partimage to resize windows [16:13] no [16:14] Action: NyteOwl was looking at teh 1000HE [16:14] samychow: if you need help with slx you need to use their various help conduits [16:14] * Added *!*n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy to ignore list [16:14] do the same for me if it is so bad that i talk about slax in #slackware [16:14] I wonder how hard wit would be to put Slack on it? :) [16:14] since when is this a slax help channel? [16:14] samychow: the fact is, if you used slackware, it would probably work. slax is not related to slackware in any way [16:14] really? [16:14] really. [16:14] in no way are they related? [16:14] this isn't the first time this conversation has gone down [16:14] there is not one thing similar? [16:14] yes, really. [16:15] look for the usb and pxe install help files in slackware 12.2. explains how to set up a usb boot stick and install slack [16:15] samychow: Slax is derived from Slackware but that's all the relationship that exists [16:15] psypete, i tried a pxe install for days. my ethernet drivers were not found and i couldn't connect to my NFS for the install files [16:15] and debian is the same exact thing as ubuntu [16:15] like Ubuntu is Derived from Debian adn Mandriva is derived from RedHat [16:15] samychow: it was vaguely based of slackware at some point. But if we had to go by that definition, does that mean we have to start supporting Suse ass well? [16:15] Debian !+ Ubuntu [16:15] although slax is even more weird [16:15] er != [16:16] sarcasm [16:16] alienBOB: Eric! eeePC, HPMini Note, Acer Aspire ONE or Dell mini9 ? [16:16] alienBOB: what is better? [16:16] samychow: there are slax forums and there is a ##slax. [16:17] depends how you define better... if you like a fast, wide note that's cheap with plentiful battery, eeepc [16:17] I like the look of teh HP but haven't used any of them other than play in the store a bit [16:17] Lenovo have one out now too [16:17] paissad (n=paissad@202.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:18] Hmm... slax.org is down. [16:18] why am i not surprised [16:18] thrice`, yup, is broken here too :| [16:18] isn't there a slackware install cd that doubles as a livecd? [16:18] the new 1000HE is touting 9.5 hours battery life [16:18] psypete: no [16:18] oh. cuz that would rock. [16:19] make one then [16:19] NyteOwl: yeah and my 1000ha touts 7 hours, 5.5 is the best you can get IRL tho [16:19] NyteOwl, i've read somewhere that its not linux compatible [16:19] DeeeP: it ships with linux. [16:19] rly [16:19] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Connection timed out [16:19] DeeeP: that would be odd. it seems it's all pretty mucvh the same platforms with various options [16:20] NyteOwl, that's what i tought too [16:20] but i saw some table with various models, 1000H saying yes to linux and 1000HA saying no [16:20] let me check history [16:20] 1002HA looks interesting too [16:21] i think that's the more expensive aluminum one [16:21] Timewalkr (n=twr@216.80-202-241.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [16:21] NyteOwl, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee_PC [16:22] the 1000HE uses a different mobo chipset (N280 than the others [16:22] check the table below [16:22] might be why [16:22] i have the 1000HA [16:22] samychow, runs linux ? [16:22] I don't believe WikedPodia for much heh [16:22] well i am on slax [16:22] lol [16:22] renew_01 (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:22] right [16:22] the 1000HE chipset is compatible it's just a newer rev [16:22] once i get grub installed i'll try to boot from the harddrive [16:23] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:23] the 1000h has an 80GB hard disk? [16:24] 80 or 160 [16:24] the 1000ha is a better value [16:24] what is stopping you from just going to the store, buying a disk adapter, using it to install slackware on another pc, put disk back into 1000h, take back adapter? they are only 5-15 bucks anyway and they are good tools to have if you own laptops [16:25] Action: NyteOwl has a laptop to ide and ide to usb adapters and woukldn't be without them [16:25] voiding your warranty? how easy are they to get into? [16:25] yep [16:25] not possible to boot slack install trought a usb ? [16:25] eviljames: that will not void a warranty [16:25] psypete, so what drivers do i need? [16:25] or rather PATA to be correct [16:25] eviljames: that has been debunked years ago [16:26] What has been debunked? [16:26] there's a win32 app that passes iso to bootable pens [16:26] like i said, madwifi or ath5k [16:26] ccfreak2k: people are allowed to upgrade parts on laptops without voiding warranties [16:26] thst upgrading hardware and changing os voids a system warranty [16:27] get a newer kernel or compile madwifi on your slax shit [16:27] psypete, ok thank you [16:27] psypete: There's no need for that kind of talk. [16:27] I was thinking more along the lines of breaking something while opening it. [16:27] Dell had no problem with me changing my operating system. [16:27] eviljames: well then yeah.... [16:27] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [16:27] jkwood: sorry [16:27] I've never held one in my hands, so I don't know how easy they are to actually open. [16:27] eviljames: breaking parts is different.... [16:28] eviljames: I've had my thinkpad apart. They aren't generally hard to get into. You just need to be careful [16:28] otherwise, I would strongly recommend replacing the os on it. even if it's Windows... especially if it's ubuntu. [16:28] We may not have to support it, but Tomas has a fine distro for what it is. [16:29] one of my past jobs was taking apart dell laptops [16:29] I just can't see me getting one of these. My currenet laptop has a 12" screen and I find it "cramped" [16:29] krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [16:29] For as long as I've known him, he's been an advocate of installing Slackware, and using Slax as a livecd, as intended. [16:29] i worked in a laptop lab were we did repairs [16:29] where* [16:29] pitty that eeepc have such a low resolution [16:30] Action: jkwood repairs nullboy [16:30] I had use of an old NEC with an 8" screen and hated it [16:30] paissad (n=paissad@202.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] that tickles! [16:30] cuba (n=hrad___@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:30] I'm using a 15.4 at the moment, it's comfortable, but the 1280x800 leaves something to be desired. [16:30] DeeeP: on that small a screen any higher res and text would become unreadable [16:30] NyteOwl, bigger font ? [16:31] bigger size * [16:31] DeeeP: kinda defeats the purpose then doesn't it? ;) [16:31] gar0t0: I choose the asus eeepc 904ha over the acer aspire one. Because the Aspire One would need an extra battery to give it a decent battery life, and the eeepc 904ha has a 6600 mAH battery, lasting 7 hours [16:31] maybe :) [16:31] And that makes the 904ha cheaper than the aspire one for me [16:32] alienBOB: makes sense [16:32] i've read that on linux eeepc wont give you as much battery time as windows, is that true or myth ? [16:33] I would guess a myth [16:33] probably dependant on configuration [16:33] Knowing Windows, I'd say myth also. [16:33] But I am going to find out since the 904 comes with Windows XP and I will add Slackware to it [16:33] =) [16:33] ok , nice [16:34] edman007|work (n=edman007@ool-44c286d0.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [16:34] Power management has come a long way in Linux in the past couple of years. [16:34] im buying an eeepc for my mom , i it would be great to know that [16:34] my mom gonna burn slackware :D [16:34] alienBOB: did you see the others ? [16:34] My T41 with Slackware 12.2 already runs nearly 5 hours [16:35] gar0t0: I looked at everything available but I dislike Dell and the HP offered too little for the price [16:35] alienBOB, the T41 is a 13'' laptop? [16:35] The worst part in most netbooks is the crappy battery. And to me a netbook is all about working many hours without needing wires [16:36] nachox: the T41 is 14.2" as far as I know [16:36] I have a resolution of 1400x1050 on it [16:36] alienBOB: how did MSI's Wind stack up? [16:36] It's touchpad is not optimal [16:37] alienBOB: in Brazil the price is "almost the same" [16:37] The battery is OK however [16:37] Action: nachox likes small laptops, 12 or 13'' [16:37] HP mini note 2k, Dell mini9 1k800, [16:37] i like the battery life on my eee [16:38] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.61.116) joined ##slackware. [16:39] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.167) joined ##slackware. [16:39] DeeeP: you wanted higher res, how about 1600x768? :) [16:40] http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=36182&vpn=VGNP530CHQ&manufacture=Sony [16:40] well, when i restarted my system with the new kernel i built, i saw no errors but the load took a while at X11 ..... does it mean i need to recompile nvidia-kernel ? [16:40] of course the price matches [16:40] i got it before [16:40] freddy (n=freddy@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [16:40] alienBOB: how much is in your country eeePC? [16:40] paissad: yes, the nvidia kernel driver needs to be recompiled [16:40] i 've rebooted with the previous kernel [16:41] thumbs, ok, thanks [16:41] paissad: it's fairly trivial, however. [16:41] and drivers ? ... no need i guess [16:41] gar0t0: I was just looking at the 1000HE and it was priced at $470 CAD [16:41] the nvidia kernel module is the driver itself. [16:41] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:42] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [16:42] thumbs, at slackbuilds.org, there are kernel and driver for nvidia, that's why i asked the question [16:42] oh, those. [16:42] paissad: I usually download the latest drivers from nvidia.com, and compile them [16:43] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:43] NyteOwl: in Brazil is =~ $800 CAD [16:43] paissad: just re-run the slackbuild and install the new package [16:43] gar0t0: that wouldn't surprise me [16:43] 1 CAD == 1,905 Real [16:43] paissad: if you want to keep the old kernel there's no need to do an upgradepkg [16:43] arny (n=arny@79.119.156.229) left irc: "Leaving" [16:44] thumbs, ok , just for knowledge, does the kernel-nvidia*slackbuild only is ok ? [16:44] or do i need both packages ? [16:44] sure. [16:44] paissad: both methods are fine. [16:44] NyteOwl: hehe [16:45] paissad: in fact, they produce the same results [16:45] ok thanks [16:45] gar0t0: I remember chatting with a fellow in Portugal and a radio that cost $1200 here was about $3500 there [16:46] paissad: only the kernel slackbuild is needed. that's why it exists [16:46] pprkut, ok [16:47] NyteOwl ow [16:47] NyteOwl: I'm from Brazil [16:47] :) [16:47] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.167) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [16:47] gar0t0: the eeepc 904ha I bought was 333 euros. But one day later the same shop offered it for 325 :-( [16:47] gar0t0: yup. Just illustrating the often lower prices in the North American market [16:48] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:48] but, there's something i don' t understant, in the slackbuid of nvidia, i see (uname -r) which will return the current version and i must build it for the 2.6.28 kernel [16:48] alienBOB: hm, 1 £ [16:48] you must boot into the newer kernel first :) [16:48] ops [16:48] paissad: it will build it against the running kernel. [16:48] hmm a black aluminum eee [16:48] i'm in 2.6.27.7-smp [16:48] alienBOB: 1 euro =~ 3 Real [16:49] then, boot into your 2.6.28 and run it [16:49] thumbs, sorry for my english, i don't know what you mean really but against the running kernel [16:50] paissad: the kernel you booted from. [16:50] paissad: KERNELVERSION=2.6.28 ./nvidia-kernel.SlackBuild [16:50] ok, but how to build it for the kernel 2.6.28 which cannot boot completely [16:51] paissad: or whatever the version of your kernel is [16:51] pprkut, of course, damn it, i 'm silly [16:51] but, what driver? [16:51] version [16:51] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:51] because the one on SBo will currently not compile on .28 [16:52] i built 2.6.28 linux kernel [16:52] I meant nvidia-driver version :) [16:53] 177.82 [16:53] ok, hang on a sec.. [16:53] ok [16:54] http://www.liwjatan.at/files/scripts/nvidia-kernel.tar.gz [16:54] that one has a patch for 2.6.28 kernels [16:54] pprkut, ok thanks [16:58] sanesto (n=sanesto@modemcable127.214-56-74.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:58] hey guys, i installed slackware [16:58] thanks [16:58] however i'm trying to install the nvidia driver, when i tried to install it it tried to build a kernel module but it failed [16:59] why do you think so ? [16:59] did you wipe all those messy disk partitions including that restore xp partition? [16:59] yes [16:59] goodboy leroy :D [16:59] lol [16:59] sanesto: you need to use the slackbuild [16:59] i'll show you my new partition table [16:59] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:59] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89.181.74.114) joined ##slackware. [17:00] sanesto: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/nvidia-kernel/ [17:00] sanesto: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/nvidia-driver/ [17:00] http://pastebin.com/m9ad7e4 [17:00] you're on your way to being a real Slacker now [17:00] i am completely flattered [17:00] rworkman: ping [17:01] do a df -h and paste [17:01] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [17:01] pastebin.com that is [17:01] thats my new fdisk -l [17:01] http://pastebin.com/m9ad7e4 [17:02] sanesto: looks good. [17:02] thats my df -h http://pastebin.com/m4cb13c32 [17:03] yup, i concur, it looks good [17:03] but i still didn't understand whats the difference between primary and logical drives [17:04] You can have up to four primary partitions on a disk. [17:04] a logical drive must be within an extended partition. [17:04] You can have unlimited logical partitions. [17:04] with primary disk partitions you are only allowed four, but by making the fouth disk partition an extended partition you can have as many logical disk partitions as you want [17:04] Well... within reason. [17:05] thanks [17:05] but i'm trying Alt+F2, and it's not working [17:05] is it normal ? [17:06] sanesto, hmm.. do you see the kxkv indicator in the taskbar? [17:06] kxkb [17:06] what the heck is a stinger capacitor used for in a car? [17:06] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) joined ##slackware. [17:06] whats that ? i'm a complete noob in kde and slack [17:07] what are you trying to do ? [17:07] to run a program [17:07] in ubuntu, say i wanted to run "gedit" i press alt+f2 then i type gedit [17:07] i see, car audio, probably for those super loud window rattling base systems [17:08] nevermind [17:08] i just want to know how i must install the nvidia kernel and driver [17:08] i got the two links from slackbuilds [17:08] sanesto: I gave you links. [17:08] what do i download and what to i execute [17:08] sanesto, a keyboard layout system. by 'nevermind,' do you mean to say that you've got the alt-something problem sorted out? [17:08] i know, but there are many giles there [17:09] sanesto: you never used slackbuilds? [17:09] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] it's only been 10 minutes that i've used slackware [17:09] sanesto: http://slackbuilds.org/faq/ [17:09] or kdee [17:10] sanesto, alt + f2 is working for me.. and I'm on a KDE-default slackware 12(.1) install [17:10] not a problem, i'll solve it later [17:10] i just need to solve NVIDIA drivers now [17:10] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.108.178) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:10] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [17:11] paissad (n=paissad@202.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:11] sanesto, it may be that you don't have "Include Latin layout" checked in kxkb, if alt isn't working [17:12] ah ok [17:12] sanesto, small question though, if you don't mind. your sda1-3 partitions seem to be windows partitions -- before you made the linux-related partitions (sda5-6), I imagine you probably had JUST the windows partitions reserved for the entire physical drive. what tool did you use for re-partitioning? [17:13] (I ask because I'll be putting slackware on my XP desktop (going for a dual-boot) -- 500 GB with 5 partitions, each about 50% full) [17:13] i didn't quite understand the question but i used cfdisk to do the partitions [17:14] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn107.78-99-239.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [17:14] alright, thanks. :) I'll research around as well for some answers. [17:14] no prob my friend :) [17:15] thumbs, what do i download first ? [17:15] sanesto: there are steps required to install a slackbuild [17:15] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:16] sanesto: http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [17:16] sanesto, http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ is a better link -- slackscript installation? [17:16] :D [17:16] whats a slackbuild ? can you give me a little introduction ? [17:16] sanesto: slackbook.org [17:16] sanesto: reading that URL is a better idea [17:16] slackbuilds are used to create slackware packages [17:17] so in analogy, it's like creating a .deb file for debian ? [17:17] http://slackwiki.org/SlackBuild_Scripts [17:17] sanesto: yep [17:18] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.155.110) joined ##slackware. [17:19] othermindszine (n=othermin@254.sub-75-216-194.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [17:19] This probably won't go well. [17:19] krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:20] whats the chemtool directory ? [17:21] paissad (n=paissad@202.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [17:21] sanesto, noooooo, that's example-specific [17:21] ah ok, got it [17:21] it works well for me know, thanks to all ! [17:22] paissad: You're welcome. :) [17:23] I'm gonna try that sometime for fun. "You're welcome" to anyone who says "Thanks!" whether or not I helped one bit. [17:23] Ficthe: Didn't you hear? I was instated as an official representative of all the people in ##slackware. [17:24] I definitely can't recall. Can you? [17:25] Hmm... must have been someone else, then, because neither can I. [17:25] Also, 14:58 < jkwood> paissad: The huge kernel config should have everything you need. [17:25] =p [17:25] paissad: great! [17:26] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-338385.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:26] Granted, that was an hour and a half ago... [17:26] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-338385.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:32] sanesto (n=sanesto@modemcable127.214-56-74.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [17:36] sanesto (n=sanesto@modemcable127.214-56-74.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:36] when i try to install the nvidia driver i get : "You have to ENABLE the nvidia driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.Otherwise, this may lead to improperly working drivers." [17:36] renew_01 (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] ahh. ## as usual :) [17:37] how do i do that ? [17:37] Timewalkr (n=twr@216.80-202-241.nextgentel.com) left irc: "bbl" [17:38] sanesto: I think that the driver installer does that for you. [17:38] when i'm doing installpkg nvidia-driver-177.82-i586-1_SBo.tgz , i'm getting the error [17:38] so it's not doing it for me [17:38] Ah, okay. [17:38] :D [17:38] so, the solution ? [17:38] please :P [17:38] nvidia-xconfig [17:39] http://slackwiki.org/NVIDIA [17:39] brb [17:40] sanesto (n=sanesto@modemcable127.214-56-74.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Client Quit [17:42] spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:44] kresho (n=kresho@unaffiliated/kresho) joined ##slackware. [17:48] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:50] jkwood: he is using my slackbuilds. they are not supposed to alter his xorg.conf. He has to do that himself [17:51] I hate how nVidia distributes modified Mesa binaries. [17:51] pprkut: Ah, okay. [17:52] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-217-158-154.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:52] jkwood: and by default, nvidia-installer is not running nvidia-xconfig either [17:53] ccfreak2k: that's why there is nvidia-switch :) [17:53] Hey guys, I'm back using slackware :) [17:53] jescis: Welcome back. [17:53] pprkut, yes, but I think the world could do without having to switch between them. [17:53] PeeArr (n=aaron@c-67-172-158-104.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:53] >:| [17:53] agreed [17:54] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.167) joined ##slackware. [17:54] jkwood: thanks, Windows 7 sucks >:( [17:55] at least with slackware my muysic plasys without the OS using/hogging 100% of my 1.1GHz cpu >:( [17:56] s/muysic/music [17:56] Indeed. [17:56] Pff, my set top box is faster than that. [17:56] Join us on this side of the century, won't ya? [17:57] kresho (n=kresho@unaffiliated/kresho) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:57] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-338385.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:57] ccfreak2k: I can have a faster cpu, I'm just short on the money front :\ [17:57] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.10.20) joined ##slackware. [17:58] plus I need to get new hardware(mobo) if you mean dual/quad core [17:59] So am I, but at least I have friends. [17:59] What I mean is something that isn't a Pentium 3 or an old Athlon. [18:01] woohoo, got new bicycle =) [18:01] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host81-153-236-141.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:01] pi31415: unfortunately, due to a rounding error, the wheels aren't *quite* round.. [18:01] MugsyDaFish (n=danny@99.23.114.227) left irc: "BitchX: the cure for the common client" [18:01] heh [18:01] what, you expected me to be rational? [18:02] pi31415: mnt. bike? [18:02] mountain bike? [18:02] yes [18:02] pi31415: what brand bike? [18:02] i have a jump bike. [18:02] i happened to get one with an aluminum frame.. i was surprised that I could tell the difference [18:03] Anyone used/using a Toshiba Qosmio X302? [18:03] pi31415: bike for commuting? [18:03] er X305 [18:03] Guest1740878011 (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:04] ccfreak2k: even an Athlon XP 2000+? [18:04] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.6) left irc: [18:04] At 1.1Ghz? [18:04] oblig: http://xkcd.com/533/ [18:04] woops, wrong win [18:04] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-338385.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:04] ccfreak2k: I never overclock my cpu's [18:05] gnubien: yes, my old bike doesn't fit well and is starting to break down, ie broken spokes, break levers, wobbly rims, etc. [18:05] the new one i will trust for commuting and for getting myself to weekend hiking and camping [18:05] jescis, none of the Athlon XP 2000+ CPUs run at 1.1GHz. [18:06] pi31415, how old is it? [18:06] pi31415: nice, bicycles are probably the best transportation invention ever imho [18:07] ccfreak2k: the old one, I don't know, I bought it used. it's a huffy mt havoc, a box store cheapo [18:08] 'cause [18:08] I have a trailbike that we got new about 14 years ago that's still fine. [18:10] i lived in a college town for 10 years and i had trouble keeping bikes. i've had bikes stolen locked with chains, cables, ubolts. i've had bikes locked very secure, so the crackheads decided to destroy the bike. [18:10] the best solution was to make space in the apartment with ceiling hooks [18:11] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) joined ##slackware. [18:11] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:11] Well, I guess that would have a negative effect on a bike. [18:11] People like biking, right? What if you hooked a bunch of stationary bikes up to a turbine? combination Gym + power plant. [18:12] while you're at it, maybe retrofit all the exercise machines to generate electricity while people exercise [18:13] fAu (i=1000@217.202.232.8) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:13] I've done the calculations, the power generated is not significant [18:13] a person could keep an incandescent going [18:13] eviljames, uhm, those thingies are already available in the market.. bicycling thing, that when stationary, you can excerise on (and it stores energy in that process) -- that very energy can be put back to the house grid, or be utilized while cycling (so the bicycle, in essence.. becomes a motorcycle X|) [18:14] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:14] How does whipping the people incessantly factor into your calculations? [18:14] eviljames: avg. calories used in 1 hour bike ride is only about 40 watts or less [18:14] Do humans exert more energy under torture? [18:14] what do you mean... energy [18:14] gnubien: That's 40 watts we didn't have. [18:14] Ficthe: Great, the first half of the problem is solved then! [18:14] eviljames: i find your ideas intriguing and would like to know where i could join your club or subscribe to your magazine [18:14] you mean idling energy? [18:14] phunkedelik: in that they push, pull, pedal harder [18:14] or like.. if they are beging totrured while they run [18:14] xD [18:14] do they go faster [18:15] How much power does a AA battery generate? And yet, we use them all over the place. [18:15] phunkedelik: right. pi31415 said he did the math, I was wondering if he factored in torture? [18:15] phunkedelik, you know how you can get a motor from a radioshak, and hook it to a LED.. and when you rotate it lightens the LED? that! [18:15] light emmiting diodes are winrar [18:16] jkwood: 1.5 volts dc at .2 amps is about .30 watts [18:16] One person may not emit much electricity under this plan, that's why you'd need crowd of people [18:16] don't forget the cost of manufacture [18:16] there's tons of lazy people out there who could use some exercise.. [18:16] in the long run, candles probably have a smaller carbon footprint [18:16] heh [18:17] eviljames: and a dedicated whipping team [18:17] BIKE HARDER MAGGOT!!! [18:17] pi31415: Precisely! [18:18] Hey, maybe there's a way we could use the prison population to generate electricity! [18:18] w/o resorting to matrix-style batteries. [18:18] (just wanted to head that off at the pass) [18:18] wind,wav and geothermal is the way to go long run imho [18:18] wave [18:19] gnubien: Sure, if you want to be realistic about things. [18:19] geothermal? on a semi-serious note, I wonder just HOW long that could go on.. [18:19] gar0t0_ (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [18:19] Ficthe: water is corrosive so high maintainance costs [18:19] Yeah, we've already got global warming happening above the ground, we don't need global cooling going on below the ground [18:19] it's supposed to be the opposite. [18:20] gnubien: you read that article about the queen of england approving projects to produce 6 gigawatts of wave power in Scotland? [18:20] Global warming is a muth. [18:20] my father was going to get a "geothermal furnace" in his backyard -- $20k cost, with the city giving a hand (yep, if you get solar panels/geothermal stuff/windmills, your city just might help.. plus power companies play nice too) [18:20] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:20] pi31415: no, read the article about sweden using wave power recently [18:21] Nick change: gar0t0_ -> gar0t0 [18:21] Ficthe: nice, good price too :) [18:21] to be fair, it is wind power, but they are offshore [18:21] http://earth2tech.com/2009/02/17/firms-chosen-for-6gw-of-scottish-offshore-wind-projects/ [18:22] $20k, i wonder how many years it would take to ammortize that cost [18:22] pi31415: ok, put a big net under the wind turbines to catch the dead birds for recycling ;) [18:23] brb [18:23] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.158.179) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:23] as if the arctic needs lots of birds [18:23] ananke: break even point is about 15 years on air conditioning equipment, both heat and cool [18:23] that's too long for most people [18:24] which is quite unfortunate [18:24] ananke: right, there aint no free lunch in thermo-dynamics :/ [18:25] ananke: break even point for solar cells is about 20 years [18:26] pi31415: technology for wind,wave and geothermal will improve rapidly as cost effectiveness increases [18:26] fAu (i=1000@217.202.199.2) joined ##slackware. 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[18:41] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.53.86.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:42] Starchaser (n=tony@92.127.25.191) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:43] dude___ (n=joe@222-152-11-30.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [18:43] well, im going to try get kde4 up and running [18:44] got nothing else better to do today [18:45] dude, nothin else to do, eh dude? [18:45] yeah dude, nothing else [18:45] you see if you can get the CBC and watch Hockey day in Canada! [18:45] whats Hockey? [18:45] hell wtf is a canada? [18:46] haha [18:46] wtf is a USA? [18:46] ^^ [18:46] more of a rugby guy myself [18:46] league, not union [18:46] union is for pussy [18:46] haha [18:46] Kiwi, I guess? [18:46] yep [18:47] good guess [18:47] All the people I know who are really into rugby are from new zealand.. [18:47] All the people I know who live in new zealand have a .nz hostname [18:48] all the people i know who live in new zealand are new zealanders [18:48] well not quiet true [18:48] what about the maori, do they resent being lumped into that? [18:48] nah they love it [18:48] im half maori myself ;-) [18:48] adrenaline (n=repsol@tuxhacker/adrenaline) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:48] maori? the aboriginals? [18:49] nah, aboriginals are the aussie maoris [18:49] Aboriginals I thought referred to any of the 'native' populations [18:49] The Mori (commonly pronounced /mQTÐri/) are the indigenous Polynesian people of Aotearoa (New Zealand). [18:49] yep, were pretty badass [18:50] Nick change: Guest1740878011 -> Gargantua [18:50] yeah, indigenous/aborignal, same thing really. anyway. [18:50] On another note, I think kde4 is a major step forward. [18:51] Sadly, still probably not quite ready for everyone (though 4.2 is pretty damn good) [18:51] SlackLnx (n=Lee@85.139.11.243) joined ##slackware. [18:51] yeah, i tried 4.0, that was shocking [18:52] eviljames: what's wrong with 4.2? I'm curious. [18:56] i like 4.2, im using it at home now [18:56] 4.0 and 4.1 were sort of unusable [18:56] "konsole" is really well done imo [18:56] they stripped a bunch of stuff out [18:56] renew_01 (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:57] sadsfae: That's because 4.0 and 4.1 were all about building from scratch. [18:57] i still use gnome 2.24.x and fluxbox at work though, kde 4.2.x still doesn't act quite right when im undocked [18:58] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:01] sorry, undocked? [19:01] i use a laptop docked, with another destkop and synergy between them [19:02] hitest: I don't really think anythign is wrong with it, just that it is yet incomplete. [19:02] when I use kde4.2.x without an external monitor on the laptop it doesn't work quite right, has issues with my resolution [19:02] 1920xsomething [19:02] ty [19:03] like, the kicker/taskbar thing only covers 3/4 of bottom of screen, i dont see options anywhere to tell it to "automatically grow" or what not [19:03] renew_01 (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:04] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [19:04] sadsfae: Click on the cashew and drag the arrow. [19:04] i'll try that, thanks [19:05] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [19:05] You can also choose More Settings -> Maximize panel. [19:06] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) joined ##slackware. [19:07] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-148-207.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Saindo" [19:10] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-122-12-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] amazon10x (i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-96027c9c9af325d7) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:14] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:14] hassan (n=hassan@modemcable127.214-56-74.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:14] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [19:15] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-116-247.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:15] hey guys, i recently installed slackware and i prefered it to ubuntu, but i don't want to get completely of my ubuntu [19:15] my ubuntu is on a 70gb partition and my slackware on a 30gb partition [19:15] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [19:15] can i resize the partitions in a way that my ubuntu becomes 30gb and my slackware partition becomes 70gb ? [19:16] Gparted. :) [19:16] gparted ? [19:16] does it work on kde ? [19:16] Hold on a second here... [19:17] Ugh, I hate that dependency chain. [19:18] maybe qtparted, ... just maybe [19:18] You can indeed run gparted on KDE, though building it is a mess in Slackware. [19:18] othermindszine (n=othermin@254.sub-75-216-194.myvzw.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:18] I recommend getting a copy of http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page [19:18] has qtparted become a mature & stable app? [19:19] That contains gparted, and you'll need to have your partitions unmounted to resize them anyway. [19:19] amazon10x (i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-343b8ce1079350f8) joined ##slackware. [19:19] Pig_Pen: If by mature and stable you mean abandoned two years ago, then yes. [19:19] How odd, anytime I say mature and stable that's exactly what I mean.. [19:19] yowza! that bad? i wont touch qtparted then [19:20] it's good to see the definition has spread out to the community.. [19:20] i am building gparted [19:20] that seems like a lot more effort than burning rescuecd and just using that [19:21] Well, in that case, resize the Ubuntu partition in Slackware, and resize the Slackware partition in Ubuntu. :) [19:21] a live CD with gparted on it is convienent, you are running an OS from the harddrive when using it [19:21] That, and the SystemRescueCD is about the handiest rescuecd I've ever owned. [19:22] running an os outside* of the harddrive when using the live CD [19:22] ok guys, i made a decision [19:22] i want to remove ubuntu completely [19:22] and merge the 70gb of ubuntu with my 30gb of slackware [19:22] that way i'll have 100gb of slackware [19:23] use the 70gb as home and 30gb as root [19:23] the problem is, i'm running grub, not lilo [19:23] if i remove the ubuntu partition, will grub still work ? [19:23] just delete the ubuntu system without changeing the disk, and mount the old ubuntu partition as /home [19:23] no problem, vi lilo.conf , change to fit your situation, run lilo [19:23] im sure you could still keep grub too [19:23] Grub will probably still work, too. [19:23] ive become rather fond of it due to it's shell [19:24] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.167) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [19:24] its great when you have broken mbr [19:24] how will u update grub if slackware doesnt provide it ? [19:24] Plus, how many os are you trying to boot? [19:24] how often would you really need to? [19:24] DeeeP: It's in extra/ [19:24] i say never [19:24] k [19:25] wait i'll show you my partitions [19:25] Ooh la la [19:25] http://pastebin.com/m5c60b793 [19:26] God bless you for using a pastebin. [19:26] i've got a winxp partition, a recovery partition, a slackware partition, a swap partition, and an ubuntu partition [19:26] i want to get rid of my ubuntu and merge it with my slackware partition so that slackware becomes 100gb instead of 30 [19:26] split partitionalities [19:26] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:27] helps if they are contiguous or if you are using lvm [19:27] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:27] but where is my grub installed ? if it's on /dev/sda7 then it will be deleted and i won't be able to boot again [19:27] have rescue cd handy [19:27] Don't delete the partition, just use it as home. [19:27] That would be an excellent suggestion. [19:28] what would happen with my existing /home ? [19:28] merge that using cp [19:28] and rm [19:28] i didn't understand [19:28] or rsync if you want to keep both [19:28] cp -a [19:28] Or rsync is awesome. [19:28] you want /home on sda5 and /home on sda7 to form a same /home folder ? [19:28] i agree with rsync as well [19:29] it is a super useful tool worth knowing how to use well. [19:29] i mean sda7 to merge with my /home on sda5 ? [19:29] i frequently use rsync at work, it saves my bacon [19:29] i did a real time mirroring using rsync and inotify [19:29] pi31415: bacon-over-rsync?!?!?!? [19:29] sda5 is currently root (/) [19:30] THIS IS THE HAPPIEST DAY OF MY LIFE [19:30] taub (n=taub@ip-80-226-15-216.vodafone-net.de) joined ##slackware. [19:30] haha [19:30] yes but i didn't understand, it is possible to merge a partition with an existing folder on another partition ? [19:30] helo, if i start terminal i dont get the user@host thingy [19:30] there is just bash-3.1$ [19:31] okay [19:31] fixed it [19:31] hassan: so mount /dev/sda7 somewhere like /mnt/ubuntu and save whatever data you want off it and then rm * [19:31] somehow asking questins helps me to fix things myself [19:31] taub, man if you have luck like that, ask us for a million dollars then :) [19:32] Action: Old_Fogie waves hello the channel [19:32] haha [19:32] tntslack (n=will@adsl30-101.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:32] v3ctor (n=simonb@cpe-24-208-202-166.indy.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:32] hassan: then mount it as /home [19:32] Old_Fogie: gotta go afk again, but can you check this for me: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4970 [19:32] rsync-ing the whole way to make sure you don't lose any files [19:33] And then buy $50,000 worth of Slackware dvds and give them away to all your friends. [19:33] can i rsync while keeping ubuntu ? [19:33] like i make a folder in sda7 and sync it with my /home on sda5 ? [19:34] but how can i merge a folder from sda7 with /home on sda5 [19:35] rworkman, I'm on 12.1 but am using a newer & dev branch of VTE "vte-0.17.4-i486-1" to help address/fix issues with resizing a terminal having 'mc' open. I don't have a build with stock VTE , so my issue may not be the same. But I'll give it a try anhow tho sure. I'll try gnome-terminal 2.22.X branch [19:36] v3ctor (n=simonb@cpe-24-208-202-166.indy.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [19:36] lostnhell (n=unknown@ip68-10-157-152.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] hassan: if you change fstab, /dev/sda7 is /home [19:37] and what will become of /home on sda5 ? [19:37] well, the folder /home on sda5 should be empty before sda7 is mounted there [19:38] so you say i backup my sda5 home content, mount sda7 as home and paste everything in it ? [19:38] so move it to, say /home.old [19:38] yes. [19:38] ok but then, how much quota will i have in the new /home [19:38] lostnhell (n=unknown@ip68-10-157-152.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:38] will i be able to put all the 100gb or just the 7gb of sda7 [19:39] 70* [19:39] how much quota? you'd have the 70GB free space there [19:39] and about the 30gb of sda5 ? where would that go ? [19:39] it is for everything that is not /home [19:39] so, /usr, /boot, etc [19:39] ah ok [19:39] thx [19:40] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.168.180) joined ##slackware. [19:41] SlackLnx (n=Lee@85.139.11.243) left irc: "I'll Be Back" [19:41] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-122-12-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:42] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-122-12-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [19:43] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [19:44] just a question [19:44] if i'm on slackware, the etc/fstab is only on my sda5 ? [19:44] that's the one that matters. [19:45] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.168.180) left irc: "brb" [19:45] i mean if my /etc/fstab is changed on slackware, it will stay the same on ubuntu on another partition [19:45] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.168.180) joined ##slackware. [19:46] renew_01 (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:46] the one for ubuntu will be the one on sda7 or wherever [19:47] ok [19:47] just a question [19:47] in the fstab file, what do i put in options ? do i put "defaults" ? [19:47] probably that would be fine, but you may want to investigate what options there are [19:48] JavaShin (n=JavaShin@unaffiliated/javashin) joined ##slackware. [19:49] Sesshomaru (i=superGea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [19:50] just a question [19:50] can i for exemple, instead of mounting /dev/sda7, can i mount /dev/sda7/folder in fstab ? [19:51] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [19:52] renew_01 (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:53] hassan (n=hassan@modemcable127.214-56-74.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [19:54] dude___ (n=joe@222-152-11-30.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "Leaving" [19:54] JavaShin (n=JavaShin@unaffiliated/javashin) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:57] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] Action: pupit instead of loading a cup of tea, load the sugar on bottom of the cup. [19:58] that was a pretty stupid question [19:58] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.10.20) left irc: "Leaving" [19:59] udevd (i=udevd@host-89-229-70-199.szczecin.mm.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:59] mount -t ext3 /dev/sda7 /mnt [20:00] Old_Fogie: that's fine. I'm using the 0.19.x series of vte here, and it's a problem. I just want to determine whether it is or isn't an Xfce Terminal problem. [20:01] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:25] brain damage on my part [20:25] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.61.116) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:25] hashed_ (n=hashed_@ip70-178-108-166.ks.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:25] photos or it didn't happen [20:25] got a filesystem 895G in size with 894G used... and 888M free. I'm looking at it thinking the 888M is really 888G [20:26] about to start pulling out hair [20:26] Urchlay: what file system is it? [20:26] a full one [20:26] reiserfs. Nothing's wrong with it at all, I was just being 'tarded looking at the output of "df -h" [20:27] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:27] Urchlay: ok. [20:27] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:27] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [20:27] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:27] anyone know of a decent wifi connection manager other than wicd? I've been having trouble finding a script to work with the encryption used on campus and would rather not resort to gnome just because they're network manager works with it :) [20:27] hashed_: why not use wicd? [20:28] about to move half its contents to a different fs, going to play with mount --bind to see if I can make it still appear that everything's in the same place [20:28] it doesn't get any better than wicd [20:28] if wicd doesn't work it's usually a user error [20:28] /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf :O [20:29] because i can't get it working with the encryption on campus, and can't find a script that will work with it either.. it's some odd form of WEP + LEAP. [20:29] script? [20:29] what do you need a script for? [20:29] yes, wicd uses script based config files for encryption.. [20:30] well, yeah [20:30] but it sounds like a configuration issue [20:30] WEP? On a university campus? the IT admin should be shot [20:30] danc3: it is. [20:31] who talked about src2pkg yesterday ? [20:31] NyteOwl: I know! What's worse is that help desk can't even give me any specifics outside of a sheet explaining the obvious "how to connect with windows or OS X" [20:31] DeeeP, I did [20:31] dive, FATAL! Home directory was given as a critical src2pkg variable, [20:31] or is the current directory. Please read the src2pkg documentation for help [20:31] hashed_: ouch [20:32] good ol' "higher education" [20:32] DeeeP, running as root or user? [20:32] time to saunter over to the CS department and pick some brains [20:32] dive, yes [20:32] ops [20:32] as root [20:33] did you change anything in the config file? [20:33] asdlw (n=asdw@190.189.45.11) joined ##slackware. [20:33] nope , nothing [20:33] anyway, I was just hoping for a network manager more automated (other than gnome's) that might do the work for me, so I can get the info from there.. nothing out there? [20:34] asdlw (n=asdw@190.189.45.11) left ##slackware ("Saliendo"). [20:34] DeeeP, what is the exact command you are using? [20:34] src2pkg file.tar.bz2 [20:34] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [20:35] just testing src2pkg , never used it [20:35] strange [20:35] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:35] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [20:36] can you pastebin the config file? [20:36] ill check conf [20:36] its default [20:37] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] what's a good setting to allow my regular user account to access a vfat partition? rw,uid=x, Or something like that? or something else? [20:42] users parameter in fstab, i think [20:42] even stranger then [20:43] dive, what version u use ? u run it with root ? [20:43] not sure where the problem is there [20:43] 1.9.7 and yes run it as root [20:44] but first edit the config file to uncomment 'quiet=no', then run it with 'src2pkg -C -REAL file.gz' [20:45] dive, ok , i got it ... cannot run it under /root [20:45] changed dir , and worked [20:45] hmm [20:46] try it please [20:47] yeah I get '/root was bla bla..' [20:48] yep [20:48] well I always keep source in /home/user/dev/xxx [20:48] don't use /root for much [20:49] no idea why it doesn't like /root though, security issue perhaps? [20:49] i guess if u running as user root, being on /root or other place will be same thing [20:50] cant understand why [20:51] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [20:51] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [20:53] freddy (n=freddy@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:55] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.46.53) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:55] gento0o0o0 (n=er@189-47-244-247.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:56] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:56] apparently from this log, http://pastebin.ca/1344026, compiz-fusion can't find the fglrx kernel module. What is my options and what's the simplest option? [20:59] what gfx u have ? [20:59] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:01] edman007, you there [21:01] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:02] DeeeP: ATI Radeon 9550 [21:02] jescis, did u install the ATI proprietary drivers ? [21:02] yes [21:03] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [21:03] following the wiki tutorial [21:03] dunno [21:03] nvidia here , works great [21:04] trade ;) [21:04] should known better when u bought that card :) [21:04] now blame ATI :) [21:05] gento0o0o0 (n=er@189-47-244-247.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [21:05] bono (i=bono@118-160-169-172.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] or maybe it was because of the errors, that I don't remember, that was to blame for it not working right? :\ [21:06] ;) [21:06] try to reinstall , and check for errors [21:09] Nick change: Dinde455 -> Dinde [21:11] Nick change: Dinde -> _Dinde [21:11] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.168.180) left irc: "bbl" [21:12] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:12] nix_chix0r, i iz here [21:13] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:14] edman007, i was playing with a lighter and my cat was on mylap and she kept wagging her tail, long story short her tail went poof into flames [21:14] nix_chix0r, ow! [21:14] your mean [21:14] she was staring at her tail like not even caring her tail was on fire and i put it out so fast [21:14] pics [21:14] ? [21:15] how much damage? [21:15] just singed [21:15] and i bet it smelled [21:15] house smells like burned hair [21:16] haha [21:19] and that's why they teach kids 'do not play with fire' [21:20] :)) [21:20] ananke, apparently they need to teach them not to play with fire near their pussy [21:20] ananke, i think nix_chix0r has a different opinion [21:20] Old_Fogie, rofl [21:21] Old_Fogie, more than one way to skin a cat [21:21] nix_chix0r, did u sayed "my pussy's on fire ? " :) [21:21] naw:P [21:21] negligence around pets is not funny [21:21] agree [21:21] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-217-158-154.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:21] edman007, :) [21:22] next thing you know, anonymous will be haunting you [21:22] lol [21:23] edman007, I'd say noobfarm that, but then next thing you know someone will take it out of context n all [21:23] Old_Fogie, its best without context [21:23] mmhmm :) [21:26] hmm, i have a dump of a cvs tree and i need to checkout the latest, how do i do that? [21:27] cvs up ? [21:27] no, i mean the tree as the cvs server stores it... [21:27] so i need to checkout by reading from the local folder instead of a server [21:31] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-122-12-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] ahh, cvs -d /path/to/repo co module [21:32] depends since there is a few ways really [21:32] either cvs update or using hte full line [21:32] people still use cvs? [21:34] aperturefever: hey man [21:34] aceofspades19, its an old project...last release was 2002, with the current being 2007, but cvs says late 2008... [21:35] phunkedelik: wrong nick much? [21:35] and i'm hoping that i can make it compile without having to patch it myself [21:35] hmm? [21:35] aceofspades19: yes many projects still use cvs [21:35] why? [21:35] because it works some are starting ot switch over to svn [21:36] yeh [21:36] many projects that moved away from CVS were using their own hacked-up versions of CVS [21:36] tab completion [21:36] to deal with scalability issues [21:37] pi31415: they should just move to git already :p [21:37] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.61.116) joined ##slackware. [21:37] freebsd uses mercurial, right? i imagine the freebsd tree is bigger than linux. [21:38] that doesn't make it right :) [21:38] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:38] pi31415: no they use cvs/svn [21:38] pi31415: git is still the best regardless [21:38] svn is their new repo but cvs is still used pretty much svn right now is just a repo [21:40] http://www.freebsd.org/developers/cvs.html [21:40] you're right about freebsd using cvs/svn [21:40] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-217-158-154.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:41] once git gets a good windows port, there won't be much of a reason not to use git [21:42] wow Ubuntu already annouced the next version name after Jaunty [21:42] aceofspades19: sure there is git is not everything [21:42] what?> [21:42] thrice`: the last time i looked into VCS, many of the solutions simply wouldn't function for some projects [21:43] kitche: its much easier to read when you use commas ;) [21:43] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [21:43] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:43] kitche: why isn't git everything? [21:43] aceofspades19: sorry if your mind can not add commas most people add them automatically [21:43] can I find a packaged GHC for slack anywhere? google isn't helpnig me [21:44] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-186-2.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:44] I've read comments from people saying that they would want git support in the windows shell, eclipse, etc. before they would use it. [21:44] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-217-158-154.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:44] kitche: I find it _easier_ to read stuff when people put commas [21:44] what i would want would be good tools to migrate both to and from git [21:44] pi31415: thats why I said once they get a good windows port there won't be any reason not to use git [21:44] eelriver (n=eelriver@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [21:45] kitche, when I was trying to find something to track my changes for my build system, I had tried cvs, mercurial and bzr, ended up going with rdiff-bacup for binary handling. But when I did, I think I had like the bzr the best, but I obviously didnt test with other people and stuff, or online hosting and what not. did you try bzr yet, they have a win port too. [21:46] otherwise git might seem like a trap, compared to CVS, where the history could be imported to several alternatives [21:47] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:47] I've used git, svn, cvs, mercurial [21:47] Evening(or morning or afternoon),ladies and gentlemen [21:47] i used rcs for personal stuff but after a while it started to slow down [21:47] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [21:47] cvs is very machine heavy as is svn git is more network heavy for some things [21:47] svn seems to work better for me than rcs did [21:47] Old_Fogie: have you tried git before? [21:48] aceofspades19, not for a personal repo, like by "fogieware" no. [21:48] Old_Fogie: you should use git + a (free) github account [21:48] Basically, I have a build system, replace stock slack stuff, then builds gnome, then kde 3.5.10, then kde4, then all my regular XAP stuff. [21:49] Ekc (n=iskar@79-100-3-184.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [21:49] So I can just walk up to the box, ./build-fogieware.sh and walk away [21:49] I'm using wget to download a video; how do I have mplayer play it streaming? [21:49] tracking changes, was always a nightmare, but this rdiff-backup seems to be the 'cats meow' for me now. [21:49] Because, currently, it just stops at the point at which I open the file [21:50] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.155.110) left irc: "leaving" [21:50] redtricycle: tail -b | mplayer -f - # or somesuch? [21:51] ingenious.. that never occurred to me. [21:51] I found, that if a buildsystem, had one folder for *all* my source tarballs, and the tarballs not in $CWD as the buildscripts, then mercurial, and bzr were the way to go. But, mercurial, and bzr can't handle a binary over 10 meg in size. So an app like, oh nexuiz..300 meg..the mercurial, bzr, all failed. [21:52] for git, you would add "*.tar*" to .gitignore, and it would skip them :) [21:52] So I either re-write all my scripts to go to one folder for sources, and use mercurial, or bzr..or stick with the tradiitional slackware buildscript and SBo style, and use rdiff-backup [21:52] i misremembered my tail arguments, i guess it is -c [21:52] why not -f? [21:52] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:53] thrice`, true, but I'd like to have the option to revert back to let's say a day ago, and have my binaries, and sources restored to my source tree, so I can just start building again. Does that make sense? [21:53] not sure if I explained it right [21:53] ficthe: -f too [21:53] sure, git revert XXXXXXX [21:53] ficthe: but I seem to recall tail having trouble with binary data, because tail attempts to deal with LINES [21:53] ficthe: i seem to recall some flag cured the LINE problem [21:54] thrice`, yes, but if I ignore source tarballs, and I bumped nexuiz 2.0 to nexuiz 2.1 , and have cvs ignomre tarballs, then it'll restore my scripts, but wont restore the tarballs. well, unless I always leave old source tarballs in the dir for nexuiz per se'. [21:54] that's an option too I suppose [21:54] pi31415, the -n argument is different from -c exactly in that respect, I think (n = lines, c= binary data) [21:54] that 10 meg limit just stinks [21:55] Old_Fogie: any feedback on the gnome-terminal thing (or did I miss it) ? [21:55] Or am I going to have to install gnome somehow? [21:55] ;-)_ [21:55] tail -f only shows the last 10 lines [21:55] rworkman, I can do testing in about another 45 min. I'm waiting for a rebuild of graphviz and inkscape (an upgrade to swig 3.38 breaks graphviz 2.20.3), but that means glibmm and gtkmm get rebuild (ouch on old hardware for them ) [21:56] Old_Fogie: okey [21:56] tail -c +0 -f shows the whole file [21:56] TClayton (n=tony@nc-76-5-186-255.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] rworkman, it's odd, an update to 'swig' breaks graphviz to see tcl. at first I thoght my tcl was wrong, but it's swig. very odd, but that's par for the course I suppose. [21:57] I'd say I'm surprised, but that takes a lot these days. [21:58] rworkman, the box I'll test on has _no_ pam or shadow changes, so it's very much like slackware 12.1 with the exception of some gtk and underlying things needed to get gnome 2.22.3 built (that's my stable branch for next couple of years - I hope. Since it's ubunut long term support version and debian lenny's version. I hope to sniff their security fixes if need be. Aren't I sneaky :) [21:58] Good move :) [21:59] i thought slack had shadow [21:59] Yeah, why reivent the wheel :) [21:59] None of the PAM/shadow stuff should be relevant here - either this is an Xfce Terminal bug or it's a VTE bug. [21:59] pi31415: it does, but obviously our shadow doesn't use pam. [21:59] pi31415, well pam done right, changes things, and his request to me is to fiddle futs with shadow and all, so just clarifying things for him so he knows my particular setup. [22:00] rworkman: just fyi, the imagemagick folks think that slackware 12.2's libgs might be built against the wrong libjpeg. http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13134 [22:00] but on the box I'm going to try that on, it's not an issue there. [22:02] Interesting link ; thankks for the headsup (still reading) [22:03] I see Heinz is involved in that too. [22:03] See, this is why I love our user community. [22:03] not like they list dependencies for their software, *cough* [22:04] j0z (n=JESUS@189-11-53-241.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:05] pi31415: are you in that thread? [22:05] if you rebuild ghostscript without that libgs, you're gonna break okular and evince [22:06] rworkman: yes, I started it [22:06] old_fogie: they were rebuilding imagemagick without libgs, not ghostscript without gs [22:07] ah ok [22:07] what's the command they want, convert foo.jpg to what? a png ? [22:07] convert foo.xwd foo.jpg [22:07] ok [22:07] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:08] pi31415: please pass along my thanks for the imagemagick guy being willing to put that kind of time/effort into debugging it -- instead of just blaming Slackware and calling it a day. [22:08] hmm, works here [22:08] rworkman: i was impressed too [22:08] ghostscript-8.63-i486 [22:08] what's in 12.2? [22:08] old_fogie: are you on slack 12.2, and did you use the .xwd file attached to my first post? [22:08] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-103.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:09] I get no errors hre [22:09] ghostscript-8.63-x86_64_slamd64-3 [22:09] Old_Fogie: 12.2 is the first ghostscript to build libgs, so it wouldn't have been an issue in previous Slackware releases [22:09] rworkman, I know I sent Mr. V the diff for buildscrippage as evince didn't have it. [22:09] i think it was something how difficult it was to say where the problem came from [22:10] pi31415: actually, I'm going to register and post a "thanks" myself. [22:10] i guess linking is still a mystery to me [22:11] It's still not clear to me what's going on there either. [22:11] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-103.dial.telus.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:11] it sounds as if imagemagick is using jpeg functions from libgs instead of from libjpeg [22:12] pi31415, rworkman I have no issues converting that on 12.1 with ghostscript-8.63-i486 <--which is not stock in 12.1 [22:12] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:12] s/is/were/ [22:12] pi31415, that file works here [22:12] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-122-12-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Connection timed out [22:13] pi31415: but libgs.so gets its jpeg functions from a link to libjpeg.so :) [22:13] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [22:13] hernan (n=hmedelli@189.152.16.31) joined ##slackware. [22:13] rworkman: that is what i said (unclearly) toward the end of the thread [22:13] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-162-3.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:13] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:14] Old_Fogie: yes, but you probably built that with the 12.1 slackbuild [22:14] rworkman, for what it's worth, I dont use his cairodiff that he uses in 12.2 [22:14] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:16] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-13.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] thrice`, rworkman I'm using the 'rev 1' of ghostscript from 12.2 backported to 12.1. [22:16] bash-3.1$ ldd /usr/lib64/libgs.so | grep jpeg [22:16] rev. 1 of buildscript [22:16] libjpeg.so.62 => /usr/lib64/libjpeg.so.62 (0x00007fd540efc000) [22:16] Action: thrice` doesn't get it either :| [22:17] ldd: /usr/lib64/libgs.so: No such file or directory :) [22:17] aren't you still on 16-bit? :P [22:17] ldd /usr/lib/libgs.so | grep jpeg ---> libjpeg.so.62 => /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62 (0xb772c000) [22:17] libjpeg wasn't updated during the entire 12.2 release cycle, while both ghostscript and imagemagick were, so it's impossible for them to be built against different versions of libjpeg [22:18] thrice`, that's right, 1/2 the errors of a 32bit os, and 1/4 that of a 64bit box [22:18] dammit, afk for a bit [22:18] well, imagemagick broke libwish, or whatever it is, cuz I cant build kallery anymore in 12.2, but I could in Slack 12.1 with stock imagemagick. and considering, that imagemagick has a release per *day* I'll blame them :) [22:20] we should just go with graphicsmagick anyhow, and boot imagemagick. like ffmpeg, they are pita. 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[22:25] oh, couldnt read superblock [22:25] taub, you may be able to fire it up form another term and that command you tried thats hanging might 'take' [22:26] kevin_, just use 'less' on the mysql pack in /var/log/packages and you'll see the file list (less any 'doint.sh') stuff [22:26] kevin_, first time , run mysql_install_db and follow instructions [22:28] the documentation says cd to the top level dir of the installation and then run mysql_install_db. I can do it from anywhere? [22:30] hernan (n=hmedelli@189.152.16.31) left irc: "Saliendo" [22:30] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:30] kevin_: http://slackwiki.org/MySQL_Configuration has helped me in the past [22:31] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: "Leaving" [22:33] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:37] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-186-2.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [22:38] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-122-12-236.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:39] Ekc (n=iskar@79-100-3-184.btc-net.bg) left irc: "Leaving" [22:41] ok thanks Old_Fogie [22:41] it was the first one [22:41] taub, :) [22:41] SuspectZero (n=SuspectZ@unaffiliated/suspectzero) joined ##slackware. [22:42] SuspectZero (n=SuspectZ@unaffiliated/suspectzero) left irc: Client Quit [22:43] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Client Quit [22:44] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:45] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:46] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:46] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "fui" [22:46] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [22:48] TClayton: perfect. Thanks! [22:50] hi all [22:50] can someone recommend video editing software? preferebly something with a slcakbuild? [22:51] foobarz (i=1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [22:51] kino? [22:51] does hot swap SATA work on slackware with intel ICH10R chipset? [22:52] does the drive, powersupply and motherboard support it? [22:53] dive, u there ? [22:53] I'll have to check that they do... don't all SATA drives support hot swap? I've not noticed any special PSU requirement for hot swap... the intel ICH10R chipset is supposed to support it [22:53] foobarz: no, some done. [22:54] foobarz: the physical SATA spec provides for physical hotswapping capability however the controller as well as the drivers must support it [22:54] foobarz: while the chipset may support it, the motherboard may not. you also need to power the drive using proper sata power, which means 3.3V, which means you cant use one of those molex 4 pin to sata power converters [22:54] and intel controllers are known to have issues with hotswapping but they are capable of warmswap, which is what i use on my laptop [22:55] well, I'm thinking about an Asus P5Q Pro or Deluxe... and using SATA drive like a new Western Digital drive [22:56] foobarz: 1tb? [22:56] then using the linux ahci driver [22:56] yes, like 1TB [22:56] you can ready a disk for warm swap with a command similar to this "echo 1 > /sys/class/scsi_device/1:0:0:0/device/delete" and you can rescan for a new disk on the same port with a command similar to this: "echo 0 0 0 > /sys/class/scsi_host/host1/scan" [22:56] foobarz: get samsung 1tb, its cheaper, has more cache and is faster [22:57] i ended up writing a dirty script to let me warm swap sata devices on my laptop [22:58] I don't understand the difference between warm and hot swap [22:58] hotswap lets you just yank it right out [22:58] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:58] warmswap means you prepare for the yanking [22:59] is there way to make apps flash on taskbar such as receiving IM msg ? I am using pidgin and it doesnt flash. I looked at preferences and see nothing related. [22:59] npad|home: it does for me [22:59] check your settings [22:59] I know it should [22:59] maybe I am blind at the moment [22:59] nullboy: just dont be yanking in public. [22:59] a lot of new PC cases/chassis now have SATA hot-swap bays... like some of the Lian Li cases... that is what I have in mind [22:59] plugins -> message notifications [22:59] what pidgin version is yours [23:00] "set window manager "URGENT" hint [23:00] foobarz: again, a hotswap bay is just a term they conined [23:00] coined* [23:00] foobarz: you still need controller support... [23:00] gento0o0o0 (n=er@189-47-244-247.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:00] npad|home: ^^ [23:00] a lot of cheap controllers support it [23:01] foobarz: sata cabling and connectors physically support hotswapping but that doesn't mean your controller or your controller's drivers do [23:01] plugin - nice! i oversaw that [23:01] my si controllers do [23:01] has anyone done hotswap of SATA using the Intel ICH10R chips with ordinary SATA drives and a commonly available SATA hot-swap backplane? [23:01] haven't tried it on ICH10R [23:02] the drive will be the linux ahci driver [23:02] I mean driver [23:03] that ahci driver is said to FULL support of all the SATA features... well, would be nice to hear from anyone with success using this stuff [23:03] it would be funny to specify CSS colors in millimicrons [23:03] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/10514 [23:03] that's how i warm swap on my laptop [23:03] nullboy: thanks.. I am looking [23:06] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:07] gento0o0o0 (n=er@189-47-244-247.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [23:08] MIrrorIMage (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:09] saneseto (n=sanesto@modemcable127.214-56-74.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [23:09] MIrrorIMage (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:10] body{background-color: 500mµ 1.2Iv} [23:10] hello guys, i have a small question. i installed today slack, so how can i scroll with my mouse in slack [23:10] http://www.slackwiki.org/Scroll_Wheel [23:10] roll the wheel [23:11] Ether_Man (n=polx@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [23:11] Ether_Man (n=polx@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:11] thx very much :) super channel :D ciao [23:11] saneseto (n=sanesto@modemcable127.214-56-74.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Client Quit [23:11] .... [23:12] that page kinda sucks :( [23:12] I had to change my Protocol from PS/2 to ExplorerPS/2 [23:12] don't know why it worked, but I guess it helps many people [23:13] CygnusX1 (n=CygnusX1@c-69-245-162-6.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:13] without that protocol, my buttons 4 and 5 wouldn't even show up in xev [23:14] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:14] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [23:15] topgun17 (n=topgun17@adsl-156-236-237.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] Hasd any one been able to get Slackware working fully on the Lenovo 3000 N500 [23:20] i have 3000 N200 [23:21] I am planning on replacing ubuntu with slack [23:21] whats your problem with your N500 so far [23:22] npad|home: No i am just testing the waters before i risk the investment of time aand energy [23:24] so far with my xubuntu 1 yr old the mmc block wasnt included in the kernel until sometime last year it upgraded to new kernel and it then worked [23:25] i am not sure if it was a bug in the driver that had been fixed. [23:25] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-186-2.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] but we are speaking of slackware and using 12.2 should be fine [23:25] I will be porting to slackware in upcoming week [23:26] npad|home: I'll try it after the dvd iso downloads [23:26] cool [23:27] do SATA drives show up as scsi drives, like /dev/sda ? I'm trying to figure some stuff out before I buy new things.. I'm still running very old stuff and PATA drives [23:28] Ether_Man (n=polx@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [23:28] Is it at all possible to have a graphical user interface at boot? [23:28] foobarz, pata for me on 12.2 shows up as hda, and sata shows up as sda [23:28] topgun17: change /etc/inittab. [23:29] Old_Fogie: what chip/board is your SATA controller? [23:29] foobarz, whatever's in acer aspire one netbook, intel iirc [23:29] foobarz, my other box has sata, but no drives attached, i'm still using pata on that pc. [23:30] spook: I might just install Slackware on my Dell dimesion 4600C [23:30] Old_Fogie: thanks ... SATA show up as scsi then I am guessing [23:31] any good place to get gnome-common tgz? [23:31] or autotool? [23:31] Old_Fogie: I was reading a website, and some user talks about being able to hot swap eSATA drive using the command scsiadd [23:31] it's a tiny build npad|home , no major depends [23:31] npad|home, try gware for scripts [23:31] ok [23:31] foobarz, that's beyond my knowledge there [23:33] unionization = slowergrowth [23:35] nullboy: maybe the command "scsiadd" is providing a command for what you do manually with those echo commands [23:35] rworkman, should I use telinit 4 or telinit 3 to start xfce? or does it matter. [23:36] rworkman, which would you prefer? [23:36] foobarz: well whatever, scsiadd isn't part of slackware... [23:36] Old_Fogie: you can do it in gnome. The issue is that either vte has a bug or it doesn't. [23:36] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.168.180) joined ##slackware. [23:36] IOW, it matters not. [23:37] rworkman, ok, about 20 pax to install in the test box (thru scripts) it'll be like 5 min [23:37] k [23:39] nullboy: oh.. scsiadd uses "deprecated" /proc interface, maybe that is why it will never been in slackware... oh well :) [23:39] rworkman, I'll go into gnome but thru kdm. I know gdm will alter things in a users path and such, even set the locale. so I guess to minimize gnome's chances of changing things, I'll just use kdm [23:43] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-186-2.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [23:44] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-148-207.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [23:46] i guess millimicrons and candelas don't make sense for CSS because a) such precision is unnecessary and b) the definitions for red, green, and blue are device-dependent [23:48] millimicrons? [23:48] nanometers [23:48] you can't cover colors with a scalar [23:49] why not with two scalars? [23:49] elektr1k (n=betrayal@ip68-109-0-89.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:50] foobarz (i=1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: "Leaving" [23:50] you need two for color and one for brightness, or three for the brightness of each of 3 colors, because the human eye can see purple which is the combination of the two ends of the spectrum [23:51] and it sees intensity as well as color [23:51] couldn't you measure color as frequency * amplitude? [23:52] nanometers by candelas [23:52] ah, purple [23:53] pi31415, no, because purple can't be measured in nanometers [23:53] sigh [23:54] isn't violet around ~400? [23:54] nm [23:54] 410 [23:55] nullboy, yes, but purple is violet/blue and red without green [23:55] i just barfed in my mouth a little [23:55] is this light colour, or pigment colour? [23:56] clearly it is light color [23:56] mth- (i=1000@190-95-73-242.bk20-dsl.surnet.cl) joined ##slackware. [23:56] at least i'm talking about light, i don't know wth they are talking about [23:57] is slackpkg the package menagement system in slakware [23:57] nullboy, basically, frequency is a scalar, but your eye measures at three points (r/g/b), and your brain interpreters color as a circles that wraps around, purple is the two ends for example, which is red green and blue at the same time [23:57] topgun17: no [23:57] emerge? [23:57] topgun17: slackpkg is a shell script that uses the proper package tools, pkgtool [23:57] what the hell [23:57] emerge? [23:57] this is slackware [23:57] someone is confused [23:58] topgun17: http://www.slackbasics.org/ [23:58] lol [23:58] topgun17: no i am pretty sure pacman [23:58] phunkedelik: you are pretty wrong too [23:58] nullboy: im fucking joking [23:58] You can tell i am a debian and suse guy [23:59] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:59] umm [23:59] emerge and debian? [23:59] phunkedelik: helping or hurting. [23:59] really... [23:59] nullboy, the issue is because your brain can interpret multiple frequencies at once as different from a single frequency [23:59] spook: D: not sure..... [23:59] HINDERING [23:59] rworkman, from kde, user test doesnt show, typing name and pass in, clicking login says "your login shell is not listed in /etc/shells'. going to try gdm now. [23:59] phunkedelik: no, you are either helping or hurting. [23:59] i just told you [23:59] Action: phunkedelik rolls eyes [23:59] phunkedelik: making jokes when someone is already confused is hurting. [00:00] --- Sun Feb 22 2009