[00:00] ok im in there [00:00] so for the up script delete 'exit' and put your 'echo up > /proc/acpi/ibm/brightness' [00:00] im in up first [00:00] in its place [00:00] without the '' quotes [00:00] with or without the single quotes [00:00] ok [00:00] and for the down script the same but echo down [00:01] Im confused how the echo command is even able to control the brightness [00:01] and why this script would say "exit" in the place where it needs to be changing brightness [00:02] no idea [00:02] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [00:02] ok i edited both scripts [00:03] ThinkPadX200, that file that you are echoing too is an acpi control [00:03] i thought echo just displayed things [00:03] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-60-85.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [00:03] so it pokes the hardware when you echo to it [00:03] I wasnt aware it could control them [00:03] the > after echo means output into that file rather than the screen [00:03] ohh i see [00:03] remember peek and poke in BASIC? [00:04] so its sending a command into the brightness acpi control file [00:04] actually > kmeans redirect [00:04] yes [00:04] i do remember > from c++ class I think [00:04] basic was years ago [00:04] and if you 'cat' from that file it will show you which options you can use [00:05] now try running those files as root [00:05] in console [00:05] they adjust brightness! [00:05] ok now try buttons [00:06] no luck on those [00:06] right so go into the events folder [00:06] that means the key codes in the script are wrong? [00:07] maybe don't know yet [00:07] i forgot where the events folder was [00:07] /etc/acpi/events/ [00:07] ok im in there [00:07] brightness up is [00:07] what were the file names of those scripts you just edited? [00:07] event=ibm/hotkey HKEY 00000080 00001010 [00:08] action=/etc/acpi/thinkpad-brightness-up.sh [00:08] got many files in events? [00:08] yeah [00:08] looks like [00:08] files for all the major brands special functions [00:08] asus touchpad, panasonic mute, toshiba brightness, etc [00:09] ok try looking in /var/log/acpid after playing with brightness buttons a few times. Anything reported as event undefined or similar? [00:09] it may also be in /var/log/messages [00:10] should be at the bottom of either of those [00:10] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-167-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:10] "less /var/log/acpid" [00:10] "no such file or dir" [00:10] /var/log/messages? [00:10] same result [00:11] but i see the file [00:11] when i manually navigate there [00:11] opening messages now [00:11] I got an acer aspire 5737z with a dollar and euro keys. when the dvd boots up and i login with root pressing one of those returns an error message saying its an undefined keycode or something. When Slack installs those simply dont work. Any idea how to get them back? using acer_laptop as kb model in xorg.conf doesnt work too... [00:12] so much crap in here [00:12] Axtroz, select proper (UK I guess) keymap and x keyboard setting [00:12] lots of stuff in here [00:12] relating to thinkpad [00:12] thinkpad_acpi thinkpad acpi extras v.023 [00:12] Axtroz, you will probably need to use an fdi file in /usr/share/hal/fdi/ [00:13] so looks like this would have been even harder if i didnt have the thinkpad extras already installed somehow [00:13] i had read about this [00:13] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:13] ThinkPadX200, ls -l /etc/acpi/thinkpad-brightness-up.sh [00:13] and -down [00:14] just want the permissions [00:14] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 292 2010-2-21 00:01 /etc/acpi/thinkpad-brightness- [00:14] ok good [00:15] so you just need to find the correct key event for those keys [00:15] and edit the file in events [00:16] I was hoping it would say at the bottom of var log messages or something [00:16] can i use xev for that probably? [00:16] no [00:17] it will be a code that acpi gives [00:17] can you pastebin the file that has that event=ibm/hotkey HKEY 00000080 00001010 in [00:18] showkey maybe? [00:18] doubtful [00:18] ibm/hotkey HKEY 00000080 00001011 is up and ibm/hotkey HKEY 00000080 00001011 is down [00:18] according to: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_get_special_keys_to_work#thinkpad_acpi_events [00:19] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:19] the entire contents of those files are [00:19] ThinkPadX200, mypastebin the file [00:19] er [00:20] ThinkPadX200, http://pastebin.slackadelic.com the file [00:20] er auto-cmplete fail :P [00:20] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [00:21] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/mrOoUI48.html [00:21] sorry it takes so long I have to email it to myself [00:21] since im not on irc on the laptop [00:21] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] I was expecting something bigger [00:22] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:23] ok that doesn't really help [00:23] Thinkpadx200-2 (~astoundin@c-68-81-91-254.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:23] thats me [00:23] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [00:24] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [00:24] is it possible its not working because im not logged in as root? [00:24] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:24] in kde [00:24] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:24] ThinkPadX200, no [00:25] because acpid runs as root [00:25] and then runs those files [00:25] D3lahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:25] do you have a 'default' file in events dir? [00:26] no [00:28] ThinkPadX200 (~none@c-68-81-91-254.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: [00:28] Nick change: Thinkpadx200-2 -> ThinkPadx200 [00:30] interesting, kpowersave now lists brightness supported as yes [00:31] and the slider works [00:31] ThinkPadx200, can you comment out that action line and put something like this there: http://slackadelic.pastebin.com/f1d80742c [00:32] then hit brightness keys and check /etc/acpi/log [00:32] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-167-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:32] ok [00:33] comment out the event line as well? [00:33] yeah [00:35] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [00:35] theres no log though in /etc/acpi [00:35] ThinkPadx200 (~astoundin@c-68-81-91-254.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12 [00:36] astounding (~astoundin@c-68-81-91-254.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] sorry [00:36] closed it [00:36] Nick change: astounding -> ThinkPadX200 [00:36] I dont see a log file in that dir [00:37] thinking... [00:38] xdan779 (~daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [00:39] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:40] ThinkPadX200, you need to restart acpid [00:40] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [00:41] that ought to do the trick [00:41] and change that file back the way it was first [00:42] ok i put the file back [00:42] how do i restart acpid? [00:43] good question. I've not much of an idea for debian but in slack it's /etc/rc.d/rc.acpid restart [00:44] /etc/init.d/acpid restart maybe [00:45] still seems to be no luck [00:46] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [00:51] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:51] afu (~afu@beavis.cba.ua.edu) joined ##slackware. [00:52] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:53] need to do something like this: http://www.pastebin.com/m3793fdde and make sure that no other hotkey files are enabled [00:53] then restart acpi and check that log again [00:53] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:53] that should give you the correct code [00:54] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:54] or at least should show if the code is being intercepted [00:54] i never found the log did i [00:56] well the log will be created and then updated by pushing any of the fn- hotkeys [00:56] hopefully [00:56] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [00:56] ok ill add it to the events file [00:56] problem is if other files have lines relating to ibm/hotkey they will take over [00:57] so they all need commenting out [00:58] when that's done all hotkeys should be sent to the log after restarting acpi [00:59] i need to comment out the lines in all of these thinkpad related files in events? [00:59] if they relate to hotkeys [00:59] why how many are there? [00:59] 9 [01:00] and 2 for lenovo [01:00] lolwut (1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:01] and 5 for ibm [01:02] well that's some editing to do then [01:03] =\ [01:04] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) joined ##slackware. [01:04] hello guys [01:04] why is netbeans not in slackware packages [01:04] ? [01:04] netbeans is in fedora packages [01:04] ThinkPadX200, grep 'ibm/hotkey' * | wc -l [01:05] if i do yum install netbeans , it starts downloading netbeans [01:05] manhunter, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/development/netbeans/ [01:05] what does a netbeans fedora package have to do with slackware? [01:05] why don't we get netbeans doing slackpkg install netbeans [01:05] dive: i got the > sign [01:05] installing from source is time consuming , isn't ? [01:05] those '' again [01:06] slackpkg only works with official slackware packages. of which there is none for netbeans [01:06] and this time '' not `` [01:06] is that just a minus sign before the | [01:06] why doesn't slackware make netbeans,geany as official package? [01:06] that's dash lower case L [01:06] oh ok [01:07] and is official packages == gnu package [01:07] how does slackware make official packages? [01:07] ThinkPadX200, wc = word count, -l = count lines [01:07] only the gnu packages? [01:07] official means released by Pat as part of slackware [01:08] so patrick maintains all official packages? [01:08] in a sense yes. if not maintains approves [01:08] ThinkPadX200, the output of that is the number of times ibm/hotkey was found in all files [01:08] so gives you an idea of what you need to look at [01:08] DarkStar:/# grep 'ibm/hotkey' * | wc -l returns 0 [01:08] which cant be right i must have typed something wrong [01:08] andarius: so isn't it a hard task to pat to maintain all ? [01:09] manhunter: /m sincerely hopes that pat never includes netbeans. [01:09] it is a full time job I am sure [01:09] doesn't slackware need more maintainer or developer? [01:09] ThinkPadX200, in the events dir? [01:09] manhunter: no. [01:09] why? [01:09] i run it from the events dir? [01:09] one man for slackware? [01:09] ThinkPadX200, yes inside events [01:09] manhunter: we've been over that with you already. [01:09] lol [01:09] 16 =\ [01:10] ThinkPadX200, which desktop do you use? [01:10] manhunter: there is not one man, Pat has some people help him. People who are smart and have proven themselves over time. [01:10] again why is openoffice not included as official packages? [01:10] kde [01:10] manhunter: why would it need to be included? [01:10] to read .doc , .docx files and other [01:10] ThinkPadX200, you _may_ get some keys to bind in settings for those keys which you could bind to run the brightness commands [01:11] ThinkPadX200, but not sure if any dekstop will register them [01:11] openoffice is very common and important package for gnu [01:11] and for all linux distro [01:11] almost all [01:11] manhunter: Koffice can read .doc files. [01:11] manhunter, those things are on slackbuilds.org which is fine [01:12] uhm .. openoffice != gnu. [01:12] openoffice is the open source version of star office which is made by sun [01:12] jiraia (~jiraia@189.31.9.9) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:13] right [01:13] agree [01:13] so have a browse through slackbuilds.org [01:13] it's a very good repo [01:14] btw dive, ty so much for all the help thus far, i never could have figured this out [01:14] ThinkPadX200, no worries [01:14] amazing how difficult adjusting backlight brightness could be [01:14] well in slackware those files don't exist except a default [01:15] which runs a simgle script you can define your hotkeys in [01:15] so it's a bit simpler [01:15] other distro like arch , fedora, debian,ubuntu have netbeans ,geany and other importand packages as their official packages, i can't understand the main obstacle to add these as official for slackware? what is the main problem, is it because slackware is maintained by only one man (Patrick) or other , someone please clearify [01:15] slackware being simpler? @_@ [01:15] amazing [01:15] slackware philosophy is KISS [01:16] what is the main policy to make official package? [01:16] try it some time - that's why it works so well [01:16] Maybe I was too quick to abandon slack, after 3 weeks of trying to get my crappy atheros wifi on my old laptop working i had to give up, and so i gave up assuming it was slack being overcomplicated [01:16] manhunter: official policy is probably among the lines of: "Patrick needs to find it usefull for inclusion in Slackware" [01:17] ThinkPadX200, atheros is supported well in the kernel now [01:17] I suppose it was more of a kernel issue back then than any fault of slack [01:17] ThinkPadX200, well there was madwifi for it [01:17] i tried that and it was the most frustrating thing id ever done trying to compile install and configure it [01:17] ThinkPadX200, but that did need some playing with to install (not too hard though) [01:18] dive: does installing from source mean KISS ? [01:18] keep it simple and ?? [01:18] manhunter, KISS means a lot of things [01:18] keep it simple stupid [01:18] is the acronym im familiar with [01:18] we mostly make a package from source and install that [01:18] and with sbopkg it couldn't be easier. [01:19] dive: what is sbopkg? [01:19] manhunter: it's a front end to the slackbuilds.org repository. [01:19] can I install the .deb ubuntu package of adobe flash under debian? it opens in kpackage [01:19] it's an application to install software from the slackbuilds.org repo [01:20] ThinkPadX200: I wouldn't do that. Use the flash package from SlackBuilds.org [01:20] im on debian [01:20] manhunter, I don't know how many times I have told you about slackbuilds.org now. Have you even gone there and looked? [01:20] ThinkPadX200, get the debian or download from adobe. [01:20] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:21] dive: i know netbeans is there [01:21] so is geany. [01:21] yes [01:21] and openoffice. [01:21] right, so what is the problem exactly? [01:21] dive: he has a small dick? ;) [01:21] isn't installing from source time consuming comparing installing from .txz or prebuilt packages? [01:21] I would moan like hell if netbeans was part of the official packages. [01:22] dive++ [01:22] dive: why? [01:22] because it's not necesary to be there imho and would take up excess space. [01:23] manhunter: yes it takes longer. On the other hand you have to hope that the builder has a clean buildsystem. There have been sites in the past offering packages which did not do that with the result you had to install stupid dependencies to make it work [01:23] manhunter: because not everyone needs to engage in java development, for those that do, most of them are smart enough to figure out where to get netbeans or eclipse [01:23] manhunter, anyway that's the way we like to do it. [01:24] manhunter: add to that the fact that netbeans is only a 32bit binary ... [01:24] also dowloading that big openoffice is time consuming where there is low bandwidth [01:24] openoffice source [01:25] but you aren't forced to use it. It's a binary anyway. [01:25] manhunter: openoffice is a repackage of the official openoffice binaries. [01:25] not source [01:26] manhunter: and if you include that in slackware, you still have to download that as well. so your argument here doesn't make much sense. [01:26] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/office/openoffice.org/ [01:26] isn't it source? [01:26] no [01:26] are you deaf? [01:27] above it see, Source Downloads (32bit): [01:27] "This script builds a Slackware package from the official binary (RPM's) [01:27] distributed by openoffice.org. [01:27] am i blind to see it [01:27] ? [01:27] yes. quite. [01:27] in this case: read source as "where you download it from" [01:28] signal to noise is going wonky [01:28] ThinkPadX200, erm are you editing those files? [01:29] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:29] ThinkPadX200, you could actually just move them elsewhere for the time being and add that code I suggested into a new file. [01:29] would be smarter of me to have said that sorry. [01:30] can unregistered nick/account join #slackware? [01:31] 14w power draw seems high [01:31] with both cores underclocked to 800mhz [01:31] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:31] !op [01:32] how many total official package for slackware? [01:32] 999 [01:32] dive: ill try moving them elsewhere [01:34] enmodal (~matt@99-60-72-168.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:36] dive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions#Package_management_and_installation [01:36] dive: it says 544 , are you lieing [01:36] ? [01:37] have you counted them? [01:37] which ? [01:37] lol [01:37] http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-13.0/office/openoffice-autobuilder-multilang/3.1.1/ [01:37] will it work to install openoffice ? [01:37] manhunter, count all the official packages and then come back and tell me if I'm mistaken. [01:37] dive: have you counted? [01:38] dive: why is wikipedia saying this ?544 [01:39] no idea. Ask them. [01:39] ok [01:39] lol [01:39] wikipedia is edited by anyone [01:39] dive: have you counted official packages? [01:39] cant rely on its information 100% [01:39] manhunter, ls /var/log/packages | grep -v Sbo | grep -v daw | wc -l [01:39] They're both wrong. Everyone knows there's over nine thousand official packages [01:39] (it is usually accurate however) [01:39] ThinkPadX200: so edit that with 999 [01:39] manhunter, ls /var/log/packages | grep -v Sbo | wc -l [01:40] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [01:40] for me it lists 916 [01:40] to be exact [01:40] 837 [01:40] for now it it [01:40] it is because i have removed some packages [01:40] dive: may be you are right [01:40] or LSD` is right [01:40] maybe. [01:41] 1005 on x86_64 -current [01:42] well, 913 not counting compat packages [01:44] dive: does less package mean KISS or installing from source means KISS ? [01:44] are you serious? [01:44] kiss means smootching, hopefully with a hot chick :o [01:44] yeah I vote for that [01:45] Slackware isn't Gentoo [01:45] you don't install from source [01:45] thank god [01:45] you install binary packages (that were, of course, compiled from the original source) [01:45] sitwon: think about slackbuilds [01:46] what about it? [01:46] sitwon: are all from slackbuilds binary packages? [01:46] dive: are you on a thinkpad? [01:46] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: I now bow out of this while my sanity is still missing [01:46] yes T42 [01:47] and I have a T21 [01:47] lolwut (1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:47] manhunter: you're terminology is confused. A slackbuild is a script that builds a binary package [01:47] and SBo isn't "officially" Slackware [01:47] If you're going to count 3rd-party repositories look at linuxpackages.net [01:48] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [01:48] ThinkPadX200, both ancient but work well enough [01:48] sitwon: yes, Slackbuid builds binary package, but http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/office/openoffice.org/ ,here under Source Download(32 bit) , is it source code for openoffice of binary packages? [01:49] *sigh* [01:49] slackbuild build .txz package [01:49] Lab_Rat (~lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:49] actually it defaults to tgz. [01:49] yes [01:49] manhunter: it's a THIRD PARTY REPOSITORY [01:49] tgz != txz [01:49] THIRD PARTY means NOT part of Slackware [01:50] sitwon: ok, but was that source code openoffice ? [01:50] granted a lot of us use those scripts, but it's not required or supported by Pat [01:50] manhunter: probably not [01:50] manhunter, we just told you it's repackage binaries. [01:50] a lot of scripts on SBo just repackage the existing binaries in Slackware-style packages [01:51] they don't needlessly compile from the source like Gentoo ebuilds do [01:51] are all of them "repackage binaries" or "package binaries" ? [01:51] all of them from slackbuilds [01:52] manhunter: no, because not everything is available as a binary, sometime the author only distributes the package as source code so *someone* has to compile it [01:52] dive: did you enable scroll wheel emulation on your center button [01:52] sitwon: yes, that's the answer [01:52] ThinkPadX200, nope [01:52] but if the author(s) distribute a binary SBo will usually just repack that binary [01:53] ive only got a trackpoint on here so im gonna have to get that going eventually [01:53] understood [01:53] ThinkPadX200, I have side/bottom scroll on the pad - that's all [01:53] ah ic [01:53] I hate trackpoints [01:53] so fiddly [01:53] trackpoints are wonderful [01:53] Im starting to fall in love with this thing [01:53] I don't have to move my hands off the keys [01:53] its nice to never habve to move off home row [01:53] exactly [01:53] !ops [01:54] I can gvim all day long without moving off the home row [01:54] the only reason I keep it on the keyboard is to have another tit on the box so I don't get lonely. [01:55] hello guys, which may be better as nick "package" or "packages" ? [01:55] Nick change: manhunter -> packages [01:55] hi [01:55] I have a usb mouse plugged in mostly [01:55] you can configure the trackpoint to scroll horizontally and vertically when you hold down the middle button, very convenient [01:55] Nick change: NaCl -> SpanishInquisitr [01:56] Action: SpanishInquisitr does it again (unexpectedly, of course) [01:56] SpanishInquisitr: helow [01:56] not the comfy chair! [01:56] sitwon: yes!! thats what i need to do [01:56] Action: SpanishInquisitr ties packages to the rack [01:56] sitwon: 2 hours of config file editing? [01:57] ThinkPadX200: it sucks sometimes. :P [01:57] lol, didn't take me that long [01:57] Action: packages packages are inside your pc [01:57] thinkwiki.org is helpful [01:57] I'm a newbie =P [01:57] ill check thinkwiki [01:57] Nick change: SpanishInquisitr -> NaCl [01:57] NoCl [01:58] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:58] salt of the earth that man [01:58] can openoffice be installed from here ?http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-13.0/office/openoffice-autobuilder-multilang/3.1.1/ [01:58] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:58] packages: ask them. [02:02] where ? [02:03] how ? [02:03] ThinkPadX200: are you actually on an X200? [02:03] packages: why would I care. Figure it out for yourself. [02:04] not good [02:05] Nick change: packages -> manhunter [02:06] ThinkPadX200: http://www.pastebin.com/md894114 <-- /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-x11-input.fdi [02:06] IRC is not the place for learning the basics [02:06] sitwon: yes [02:07] that's what I use on my X300 running slackware-current x86_64 [02:07] CodeBlock (~CodeBlock@about/windows/regular/CodeBlock) joined ##slackware. [02:07] got it 4 days ago, tried to hakcintosh it corrupted the MBR and the recovery partition, lost win7 totally [02:07] im a linux user now [02:07] lol. [02:08] IBM/Lenovo will send you a recovery disk if you ask [02:08] for a fee though from what I hear [02:08] loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool [02:08] If the machine is under warranty it's free I think [02:08] I would like to setup dual boot, im just wondering how I will setup dual boot again as win7 will only boot itself right [02:09] if it's under warranty they'll do it for free [02:09] hmm, guess ill contact them then [02:09] bye slackers, see you later [02:09] I wouldn't do a dual-boot unless you really *have* to [02:09] plus, no cd drive so ill have to turn their recovery cd into a recovery usb [02:09] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:09] in 99% of cases a VM is better [02:10] sitwon: why is that? ive done it in the past with slack and xp [02:10] its nice to have the option [02:10] i would use win7 for light games and powering my CRT projector as a home theater pc [02:10] linux for everything else [02:11] IMHO it's a huge inconvenience to reboot just to use Windows. I keep a few version of Windows in VirtualBox for when I need to use Windows software. [02:12] Gaming isn't a problem because WINE runs most games, and modern Virtualizatoin software (like VirtualBox) can pass-through to the grpahics card so you can run games in you Windows VM with near-native performance [02:12] sitwon: really??? [02:12] VBox has had hardware pass-through for the graphics card for about a year now [02:13] you can also passthrough USB devices [02:13] W9ZEB (lars@74.63.111.214) left ##slackware. [02:13] There's really very little reason for me to actually boot up a native Windows box these days [02:14] virualisation is pretty good these days with kernel support too [02:14] Youre saying I can do my HTPC stuff and play unreal tournament from within here? [02:14] ThinkPadX200, unreal tourament has a linux installer anyway [02:14] And systems these days have way more RAM than they really need. What am I gonna do with this 4GB of RAM if not run 3 Windows VMs at the same time? [02:14] not the latest one but ut99 and ut2004 are native linux [02:14] I play ut99 [02:14] original here too yes of course [02:14] lol, I would play UT2k4 natively on Linux... [02:15] UT3 won't run on the X200 anyways [02:15] ThinkPadX200, I have the linux installer files on my site [02:15] I know that, 1080p video in flash is terrible performancxe right now, even with my processor clocked all the way up [02:15] maybe h264 would play better or I need to update gfx driver? [02:16] ThinkPadX200, http://www.unrealize.co.uk/files/ have a look in there [02:16] near he bottom [02:16] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-183-121.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [02:16] dive: bookmarked =) [02:16] not using Virtualization is wasting the VT-x extensions in your CPU [02:17] ThinkPadX200, you might also like the cache convertor script too. [02:18] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:18] cache.tar.gz [02:18] What does it do> [02:19] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [02:19] frostwire or limewire? [02:19] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [02:19] neither [02:20] isnt limewire the one everyone gets arrested for [02:20] you know when you go to a server and download stuff? The files get deleted after so many days. This convertor makes them permanent by copying the cache files to proper dirs. [02:20] ah ic awesome [02:20] I run it from my ut startup script [02:20] but you need set the correct dirs in the file first [02:21] ThinkPadX200: eh, no. either way, I'm not downloading music with it. that's what BitTorrent is for [02:22] Cann0n: frostwire is probably a little safer, but it's like the difference between riding a motorcycle into oncomming traffic and riding a motor cycle in oncomming traffic with a helmet. I don't think the helmet is really gonna help that much. [02:22] Cann0n: soulseek [02:22] so when did everyone become scared of the RIAA? [02:23] It's not the RIAA I'd be worried about [02:23] Dominian (dominian@freenode/staff/dominian) joined ##slackware. [02:23] ThinkPadX200: I'm unfamiliar with soulseek [02:23] MPAA? [02:23] Dominian (dominian@freenode/staff/dominian) left irc: Client Quit [02:23] Very good for obscure tunes [02:23] In UK they are threatening ISP cut off. [02:23] SCO? The girls couts? [02:23] Cann0n: what makes you think I'm afraid of a legal threat? [02:23] Dominian (dominian@freenode/staff/dominian) joined ##slackware. [02:24] Action: sitwon was just as ShmooCon recently [02:24] Just saying... using a poor metaphor to analyze the legal threats of using an open source p2p file sharing app... [02:25] one can only assume things when others compare death by motorcycle to downloading things [02:25] I never said the oncomming traffic represented legal threats [02:26] no? I must have thought that comment was directed toward my question. [02:26] your question was "frostwire or limewire?" which implied you intended to run one of those on your system [02:27] WildWizard (WildWizar@ppp118-208-52-91.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) left ##slackware. [02:27] I don't care what you're downloading, there is a broken trust model in the underlying P2P protocol [02:27] correct. I fail to see how motorcycles involve p2p apps. [02:28] You're basically opening your system to anyone and everyone who feels like taking a crack at your box [02:29] they can have a stab at it if they want. It wont effect my motorcycle driving. [02:32] Forget the motorcycle. Think about Tor. The only people economically motivated to run an Exit Node for the Tor network are people who A) want plausible deniability or have something to hide, or B) people who want to do a man-in-the-middle an fuck with other people's traffic. So if you think you're safer on Tor, you're really just funneling all your traffic through some of the shadiest people on the internet. [02:32] brbrbr (~basiley@213.109.29.15) joined ##slackware. [02:33] brbrbr (basiley@213.109.29.15) left ##slackware. [02:33] Yeah Tor could be nasty in that way. [02:33] Gnutella is similar. A lot of shady people exploiting the broken trust model of the protocol to do nasty stuff. [02:33] So, if I open a P2P application to download ebooks, then close it once I get what I get, my computer will be hacked by shady people? [02:33] brbrbr (~basiley@213.109.29.15) joined ##slackware. [02:35] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:36] it's a significant possibility. IMHO it's an unnessicary risk [02:37] you can't get your ebooks from bittorrent or usenet? [02:37] i could, but I've had much better success on p2p apps. [02:38] ThinkPadx200_Win (~none@c-68-81-91-254.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:38] Nick change: ThinkPadx200_Win -> Astounding2 [02:38] Nick change: Astounding2 -> ThinkPadx200_Win [02:38] people want you to pay for ebooks... when I could check the book out from my college (if they don't have it, they can get it shipped from a network of over 50 colleges in this state, and even sources from canada) [02:39] ThinkPadX200 (~astoundin@c-68-81-91-254.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:40] Cann0n: yea? and? [02:40] sitwon: I'd rather have them on my laptop. Much easier to carry around when doing my research project on alternative energy sources... [02:41] http://oreilly.com/ebooks/pdf/ <-- read the 'Acceptable Use' part [02:41] I have 4 books checked out now... on top of the 7 other books I gotta carry, including a skateboard (when it's my turn to ride in the carpool) and laptop [02:41] why the fuck are you arguing? *ignored* [02:43] My point is a lot of publishers have a pretty liberal policies towards eBooks. O'Reilly is a major publisher and they're selling DRM-free eBooks stright up. [02:44] i wonder how quick they adopt cooperation with e-book hardware, including wikemedia consortium [02:44] I have nipples. [02:44] So does my thinkpad =) [02:44] like the Kindle brbrbr ? [02:44] Well, it only has one. [02:44] Kindle ? whats that [02:44] Action: sitwon prefers the Nook [02:44] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [02:45] brbrbr: it's Amazon's hardware eBook reader [02:45] It's an ebook "hardware" [02:45] just go to Amazon.com and you'll see it [02:45] Looks like ebook prices going up thanks to our favorite fruit company [02:45] and it works off cell towers, so you can download ebooks direct. it's made by Amazon. [02:45] I don't care to pay for information, software, or just about anything. [02:46] i prefer taiwanese-made deivices, known under Sony, HP and other brands [02:46] As for the "my computer will get hacked for using p2p" crap, I trust my iptables... [02:46] exact harware platform not matter, while working business-model does [02:47] CannOn thats soource of evil [02:47] amazon? [02:47] b-cause SPI+contrack stuff dont provide IPS [02:47] Cann0n: "trust my iptables"? That's like saying "my computer is safe because I lock my bedroom door" [02:47] not, iptables [02:48] but it's entirely your risk to assume. As long as you're aware of it my work is done [02:48] use proxy firewall or other alike-stuff(with deep packet inspection analysis feats). SPI suxx. [02:48] If nobody shared, there would be no p2p [02:48] Just to throw that out there [02:48] if nobody live - nobody share. thats part of human nature [02:49] and society [02:49] so p2p is just new face of Mankind [02:49] one of [02:49] face==side [02:50] brbrbr: i con't really care. I trust my iptables. Besides, I'm on dial up. When I download things, I jump from AP to AP. there are 4 different AP's I can connect to at the student center. not to mention Panaera, McD, some dentist office, and iHop near by too. [02:50] s/cont/dont [02:50] brbrbr: I believe O'Reilly makes their books available to hardware eBook readers. But none of the readers I've seen so far are conducive to the type of content that O'Reilly publishes. [02:51] ConnOn maybe later ? [02:51] goooood morniiing, slackwareee [02:51] i mean iptables [02:51] i guess, augmented-reality books was new step[holographics i guess] [02:52] Cann0n: your lack of understanding of network security is comical. please continue to trust your iptables. [02:52] i mean iptables too and i mean iptables insecure [02:52] andrew_46 (andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left ##slackware. [02:52] Cann0n you must be the last person on earth still on dial up =P [02:52] people hacking my system does not worry me. if they want to, they can. computers aren't my life. i'm just stuck on a farm with no friends (or store within 15 miles) [02:52] how about Somalia population ? or Kongo peoples ? [02:52] :) [02:53] I'm sure there are McDonalds in Somalia. [02:53] oh, jesus [02:53] i wonder how they look/works [02:53] I cant live with anything less than my 25 megabit cable [02:53] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [02:53] ThinkPadx200_Win: you need to upgrade to FiOS [02:53] i've never had any issues with iptables. I mean, ipchains too. if i cared about security as much as some people do, i'd integrade SELinux in my kernel and have ti bug me every 4 seconds when something changes [02:54] Not available or I would [02:54] *ak47-armed "manager" "here you order. have a nice dinner"* [02:54] Plus im getting an amazing student deal on comcast [02:54] grazymax (~grazymax@host32-158-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:54] i wish comcast would deliver out here [02:55] It's like 39.99 a month for 25 megabit [02:55] 29.99/mo for 15 [02:55] (for 6 months) [02:55] after that its maybe 10 more [02:55] Cann0n: you could probably get WildBlue, but it's not as cheap as dial-up [02:55] it's 12.99 a month for dial up [02:56] I just like downloading at 2.3 megabytes per second [02:56] =P [02:56] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-68-200.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:56] And my latency was terrible for gaming on dial up [02:56] we used to have WildBlue but it was 120.00 a month with limited bandwidth of 14GB... with 4 people using it, it was capped after the first week of each month [02:56] 14 gb cap, ouch [02:57] Comcast has a hidden 250 gig cap [02:57] yeah that was the MAX [02:57] one warning then they ban you [02:57] couldn't by anymore [02:57] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:57] 14 gb though, you could easily use that in a day [02:57] yeah i know lol [02:58] brbrbr (~basiley@213.109.29.15) left irc: Changing host [02:58] brbrbr (~basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [02:58] ThinkPadx200_Win, virgin here have a rate cap - between like 6pm and midnight if you download something like 1GB they cap you to 1/4 speed or some such. [02:58] especially when slackware 12.0, 12.1, ani 12.2 came out [02:58] s/ani/and [02:58] dive: Whats the normal base speed? [02:58] 12MB for mine [02:58] that's 4 gigs per dvd iso [02:58] dunno I'd have too it up but they cut it down a lot [02:58] THat throttle is painful then [02:59] ThinkPadx200_Win: the max cap for WildBlue is 17000MB and the max downspeed is 1.5Mbps (that's bits, not bytes) [02:59] wildblue would just shut you down for 22 hours out of the day [02:59] damn [02:59] lolwut (1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:59] about 5 minutes every 30 minutes worked. it sucked. [02:59] You all heard about googles experimental fiber service? [02:59] 50,000 to 500,000 people will be served for the test. [02:59] One gigabit. [02:59] Action: sitwon has fiber already [02:59] 120 mb/s download speeds [02:59] megabytes [03:00] ThinkPadx200_Win: don't buy the hype [03:00] i called hughsnet and asked about the cap, lady didn't know wtf i was talking about [03:00] zux1wrk (~zux@212.93.100.166) joined ##slackware. [03:00] they're not telling you the whole story [03:00] i'm at 5KB/s [03:00] those a theorhetical speeds [03:00] If it gets anywhere near that though it could spark competition [03:00] comcast is already rolling out 100 megabit here soon [03:01] "xfinity" [03:01] i wonder how/why Comcast allowed(by FTC)to advertise their plans as "unlimited", because its not trie and fraud therefore[serious crime, btw] [03:01] agreed, the 250gb cap is bogus [03:01] Im sitting here wondering how close I am... [03:01] When FiOS came I was one of the first to get it and my initial experience was dissapointing [03:01] they dont eve have a way to check yet [03:01] god i hate anime... [03:01] Action: Cann0n turn off adult swim. [03:02] any cap is bogus. use pre-paid traffick packages or raise prices for REALLY unlimited plans, if unable compete with others ISP's, pricing [03:02] That's the thing with Virgin - they advertise as umlimited but have a rate cap so theoretically there _is_ only so much you can download each month. But they get away with it. [03:02] nooooo raised prices [03:02] theyre high enough already for non-student [03:03] The problem is that few servers have equivalent uplinks and about 60% of the major backbones will throttle your speed so it's really hard to max your down link unless you have dozens of active connections (eg, bittorrent) [03:03] WildBlue has bad service. the installer aimed the dish directly at a set of trees... [03:03] so when the wind blew, it killed our internet [03:03] I cap right out over 2 megs/s on a good torrent [03:04] eww wildblue [03:04] that's what i had [03:04] =\ [03:04] cancelled that shit after 6months [03:04] you think i disconnect a lot now? [03:05] then we fount out the anik2 satelite upgrade (geosync slot 111.something) has gaps in the transponders and we sat just on the boarder of a small gap in North FL [03:05] so, after the upgrade, we just said to hell with it. [03:05] Wilbluye is sattelite? [03:05] yeah [03:05] ThinkPadx200_Win: yes [03:05] No good for gaming then right, unless they fixed the latency issue of sattelite web [03:05] horrible [03:05] but i cancelled it [03:05] expensive and horrible [03:06] it sucked for video chatting, streaming music, etc etc [03:06] For a lot of rural areas, you get to choose between dial-up and WildBlue. That's it. No Cable, no DSL. [03:06] i think it had a permanent 14 second delay [03:06] lol. [03:06] Cann0n, ours was like that and forget a cloudy day [03:06] it sucks for anything where latency is a concern, but it's the closest you can get to "broadband" in a lot of the US [03:07] thats the best part about this comcast pipe, i can see latency as low as 17ms in GAME [03:07] no point in high speed without good latency to back it up [03:07] ThinkPadx200_Win, yeah I got around that to london servers :-) [03:07] nix_chix0r: lol yeah. dial up works better, but is slower [03:07] Cann0n, at least you know your connection will stay for a while heh [03:07] ThinkPadx200_Win, which game type to you play and which servers? [03:07] ThinkPadx200_Win: with FiOS i've had 25ms latency between DC and San Francisco [03:07] laj (~laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:07] I was logged in on a usb modem for 18 hours straight once. [03:08] I used to play UT long ago getting back into it recently, my main game right now is FEAR combat [03:08] when i had people pc as my isp they would d/c you after 3 hours [03:08] i'm frugal and turn my laptop off when i'm not using it. [03:08] dive: Its kind of a niche fps, those who like it love it, many hate it [03:08] I just got my hands on a night cpu case. [03:08] fear eh? never played it [03:09] it's called "Achilles". it's nice. lights, bells awd whistles, etc etc [03:09] It was free so I started [03:09] i'm gonna put my 2.8ghz p4 laptop in it somehow [03:09] They released the multi free due to poor single player sales [03:09] Is it native linux? [03:09] I doubt it [03:09] i love nexuiz and openarena [03:10] nexuiz is fun on single. jack up the AI's IQ and it's basically like playing online. [03:10] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-157.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:10] I tried openarena but it sucks compared to UT99 [03:10] After being a Linux LAN gamer for almost a decade I sold out last month and bought an Alienware M17x...and I'm loving it. [03:11] and more people in UT [03:11] UT99 is just classic, the map design is so great [03:11] Before games tried to be as complex as possible [03:11] lol you ever play nexuiz ThinkPadx200_Win ? [03:11] I havent no [03:11] My memory of linux gaming is this one game [03:11] Cant remember the name, it was like a hybrid rpg fps [03:12] Savage2 [03:12] ? [03:12] yes [03:12] It owns :) [03:12] indeed [03:12] anyone play Legends? [03:12] online play is extremely fast paced. [03:12] especially when it's free to play now :) [03:12] It would probably run on my x200s 4500mhd [03:12] i mean, spawn and start shooting. [03:12] UT99 ? yeah, deceased Legend Entertainment work [03:13] ThinkPadx200_Win: the X200 can run a lot more games than you would think [03:13] laj (~laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:13] also enjoy their Unreal2 extended Multiplayer [03:13] with smart AI, it's just as hard. they talk back and everything. granted, online is always different, it's hard to tell the different on that game [03:13] best Triebes2 sequeel ever [03:13] I liked games like Sonic the Hedge Hog [03:13] how about checkers? [03:14] I don't know if I'd call it a seqel [03:14] it's more like a clone [03:14] I liked Tribes 1 best [03:14] I never played Tribes 1, just got hooked on Tribes 2 [03:14] out of the starseige [03:14] I used to tear shit up on Meltdown Mod servers [03:14] I played Tribes 2 on a 3dfx VooDoo 3 [03:14] wiat. tribes 2 clone? where [03:14] tell me [03:14] I simply love this http://sauerbraten.org/ [03:14] legendthegame [03:14] i still play tribes2 [03:15] i knew one of the legendsthegame devs [03:15] Tribes, that brings back memories [03:15] Its really nice :) And internet servers are well populated [03:15] http://legendsthegame.net/ [03:15] http://tribesnext.com/ [03:15] you all know about that? [03:15] yea, I've heard about it, haven't tried it yet [03:15] I mean, TEAR shit up. Then it got boring, like all games do for me. starting mapping, that got boring. started modding, same shit. starting expoliting servers ways no one seen before... got banned. stopped playing [03:15] Legends has a native Linux client (and the Tribes 2 Linux client is MIA) [03:15] lolwut (1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:16] last time I booted up tribes (last year) there were ZERO servers running [03:16] Cann0n: tribes 1 has servers i think [03:16] I tried for years to get my hands on the Tribes 2 Linux client and finally gave up [03:16] tribes 2 has them if you use that patch i linked [03:16] amazon10x: I played, I didn't hang out on forums. ;) [03:16] sitwon: the linux client sucks i've heard [03:16] amazon10x: yea, Loki folded and it stopped getting updated [03:16] sitwon: i've heard that running the windows client in wine is better [03:16] nope. [03:16] I believe it [03:17] i don't know if they got the tribesnext patch workign in wine though [03:17] How effective is wine for gaming? [03:17] ThinkPadx200_Win: very. [03:17] Is the loss of performance signifigant ? [03:17] you can still find a hosted servers, but last time i checked, there wasn't any Tribes1 games up. it couldn't even resolve the master host [03:17] ThinkPadx200 depends on your video card. [03:17] ThinkPadx200_Win: it's very effective. people play WoW with it afaik [03:17] I play WoW [03:17] Back in 2002 I starting bringing my Linux boxes to LAN Parties because once you were in game it was impossible to tell the difference [03:17] I'm surprised wow doesnt have a native client [03:17] 9400M G [03:17] zux1wrk (~zux@212.93.100.166) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:18] Some games even played _better_ on Linux [03:18] Loss of performance is less than insignificant. [03:18] half life in wine - that was fun [03:18] I've got hl1 [03:18] sitwon: true [03:18] I used to play TFC all the time [03:18] I still play CS 1.5 in wine [03:18] but since I'd already been through the game in win I didn't play much [03:18] ThinkPadx200_Win: i found it faster because windows soaks up resources. i was using fluxbox though... and it depends on gfx card and what game you play. [03:19] How hard is it to use ? [03:19] i played Diablo 2 LoD religously back when it was a new game [03:19] yea, nVidia graphics cards work the best [03:19] Can I actually download the windows version and install it [03:19] or recent Intel cards [03:19] all from inside linux [03:19] i was using cedega instead wine [03:19] (of a game) [03:19] like the 4500MHD is a really good card [03:19] I've heard Intel have decent drivers [03:19] like opensourced and stuff [03:19] that really work [03:19] ThinkPadx200_Win: wine "diabloii.exe" [03:20] I was using WineX in 2002 (which became Cedega) [03:20] Cann0n: What if its not installed already though? [03:20] but these days the vanilla Wine is better than cedega [03:20] setting it up can be tricky. i used to "trick" wine with games that needed cd's. I'd copy them to a directory and tell wine that's a cd. hence, runs faster [03:20] ThinkPadx200_Win, wine setup.exe [03:21] THere must be some sort of daemon tools equivalent for linux [03:21] ThinkPadx200_Win: wine or the game? [03:21] I lost my diablo cds long ago but ive written my keys down [03:21] ThinkPadx200_Win: it's calld 'mount' [03:21] no need if you mount the cd image [03:21] mount -o loop cd-image.iso /mnt/cdrom [03:21] Well thats easy enough [03:21] just point wine at the mounted dir [03:21] Maybe I will have a go at installing diablo 2 [03:21] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [03:22] The ladder is going to reset any day now [03:22] yea. you can install it and based on your DE/WM, you get windows [03:22] I've got a 98 hammerdin right now [03:22] Some of the games I've managed to get running on wine: WoW, Half-Life, Half-Life2, corresponding counter-strikes, FarCry, Warcraft 3, Diablo II, Diablo, StarCraft+Brood War and a bunch of the games from the Legacy of Kain series [03:22] DAMMIT! someone tripped over the 100' phone cord i have running to the kitchen [03:22] 100' phone cord... [03:22] lol [03:23] Yellow bubblegum trees swaying on the breeze and the bee's knees come to bring peace. [03:23] you need one of those sheeva boxes - modem plugged in and a wifi signal to pc [03:23] ThinkPadx200_Win: I played USEast [03:23] I had a WWsin that was unmatched. total bragging rights. [03:23] I did over 9k per claw [03:23] Cann0n: same, useast ladder [03:24] every wwsin i've met didn't breach 5k [03:24] I had a wwsin, not 9k though i cant remember how much [03:24] dive: that would be sweet [03:24] ThinkPadx200_Win: i had near perfect all cear, including asn torch, anni, and 9 assassin skill charms with psn dmg or AR [03:25] Question for the room: Does leaving laptop on AC power kill the battery over time [03:25] ThinkPadx200_Win, no idea but mine is on amost 24/7 [03:25] Cann0n: My 98 hammerdin is decked out like that right now [03:25] so I hope not [03:25] ThinkPadx200_Win: new batteries lose life by being recharged [03:25] ThinkPadx200_Win: and heat [03:25] once, I dueled a 7vs1 game and killed 4 guys with one ww attack. i was like Hizzle Yizzle Bizzles! [03:25] dunno either but my cousin's battery on a Compaq 6517s is totally destroyed [03:25] ThinkPadx200_Win: they only have so many "charge cycles", so leaving them plugged in is a good thing [03:25] lasts 5 to 15 minutes at most [03:26] Its best to drain them only partially too ive read [03:26] so i remove my battery when i am on AC [03:26] rather than full deep cycles [03:26] I was only 94. I couldn't PVM worth shit is Hell cuz iron madien :( [03:26] Axtroz: is it over 2 years old? [03:26] It's not... [03:26] 10 months... [03:26] when you first get the laptop you generally need to do 1 or 2 full draings to get the timing synced up right [03:26] or something like that [03:26] Yeah to calibrate it [03:26] you can get new batteries for most laptops cheap enough on ebay [03:26] yeah, that's the word i was looking for [03:27] ThinkPadx200_Win: I miss D2 greatly... I also had a perfect widowmaker bow... gotta like 11k guided arrows from a character with no business weilding a bow. [03:27] neonflux (~neonflux@75.140.153.197) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:27] astounding (~astoundin@c-68-81-91-254.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:27] this T42 has had 3 displays and 2 batteries, that I know about anyway. [03:27] Axtroz: compaqs have power issues. at least all the ones i've dealt with. [03:27] dunno [03:28] Nick change: astounding -> ThinkPadX200_Nix [03:28] dont care and dont wanna risk it. my Acer came with a handy "Preserving battery life" note [03:28] dive: 3 displays?! [03:28] they also have overheating issues [03:28] lol dive [03:28] I love Acer [03:28] ThinkPadX200_Nix, yeah [03:28] it says that if the battery is fully charged it shouldnt be on AC power [03:28] what happened?> [03:28] had two blow on it since I bought it [03:28] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [03:28] backlight fails [03:28] sahk0 (~grbzks@79.167.239.188) joined ##slackware. [03:29] sahk0 (~grbzks@79.167.239.188) left irc: Changing host [03:29] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [03:29] and to preserve its life it should be kept out of the laptop at approx. 50% charge [03:29] just got a new one last week as it happens - but used [03:29] I'm out... [03:29] ) [03:29] :) [03:29] cya [03:29] cya [03:29] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:30] ThinkPadx200_Win (~none@c-68-81-91-254.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: [03:30] my T21 is still going strong with slackware -current on it [03:30] dive: I punched my LCD on my compaq because it was dying on me too many times in a short amount of time... poor designed power circuits [03:30] yeah? [03:31] using kde on 850mhz can be amusing [03:31] Ive got my core 2 duo 8600 cores clocked st 800mhz seems ok [03:31] I had a t20 [03:31] not for youtube though [03:31] gave it to a friend, who sold it to buy crack. [03:32] Its still drawing 14watts though, seems high [03:32] and didn't share. [03:33] I'm loving Acer. This is my first AMD processor [03:33] I hated my acer but it was a lemon i think [03:33] the touchpad button broke first 2 weeks and then the fan developed the loudest noise ive ever heard, battery shit out to 10 mins life by month 4 [03:36] So... I adjusted my font size in KDE, but fonts in my web browser snd applications are still giant...xorg config needed> [03:36] > [03:36] thats supposed to be a ? i cant quite hit it quickly yet [03:37] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:38] yeah maybe a dpi setting in xorg.conf [03:38] i prefer 100dpi [03:38] newb question but, how do I just search for a file> [03:39] over 96 [03:39] i like my fonts VERY crisp [03:39] ThinkPadX200_Nix, I have Option "DPI" "80 x 80" in device section of xorg [03:39] ThinkPadX200_Nix, locate or find [03:39] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [03:40] but that's you can also use xrandr [03:40] xrandr --dpi 75 [03:41] "find: `xorg.conf': No such file or directory" [03:41] guess i dont have xorg [03:41] with find you need to be specific [03:41] but your xorg.conf should be in /etc/X11/ [03:41] find / -name xorg.conf perhaps [03:42] no such dir, debian must use something else by default [03:42] if it's not, run xorgsetup [03:42] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:42] hmm its here [03:42] debian... yuck. i can't navigate debian [03:43] not sure why i couldnt change right to it [03:43] case sensitive >_< [03:44] where is Tango located at? [03:44] zux1wrk (~zux@212.93.100.166) joined ##slackware. [03:45] this xorg.conf is pathetic [03:45] theres almost nothing in it [03:45] X can detect most settings now [03:45] jhw_ (~jhw@p5B3E481E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:45] don't need an xorg.conf most of the time [03:46] ah [03:46] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E481E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:46] times have changed [03:46] just for proprietry drivers mostly [03:46] im going to try xrandr [03:47] requires an x11 restart im guessing [03:47] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [03:47] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:47] well no [03:48] guess it didnt work then [03:48] it should just work but I notice it doesn't do much except make the screen flash [03:48] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:48] better off putting dpi option in xorg [03:48] Option "DPI" "80 x 80" [03:48] or whatever [03:49] "DPI" "80 x 80" ?? [03:49] ill try thqt [03:49] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [03:49] yeah that's a large screen though [03:49] so dunno what you need on a lap [03:49] it needs to go in device section [03:51] brb [03:51] ThinkPadX200_Nix (~astoundin@c-68-81-91-254.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12 [03:51] astounding (~astoundin@c-68-81-91-254.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:52] Nick change: astounding -> ThinkPad-X200 [03:52] not sure if that did anything [03:52] ThinkPad-X200, screen + irssi [03:52] very nice apps to stay connected ;) [03:52] you did put the full line in? [03:53] 'Option "DPI" "80 x 80" ' [03:53] yes without the single quotes [03:53] try a few other dpi's maybe [03:53] kde should give an option to do that anyway I thought [03:53] theres a font size option i found but it only changes some fonts [03:54] others like in pidgin or konquerer are still comically large [03:54] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) left irc: Quit: later [03:55] no there's a force dpi too [03:56] tried that too but maybe it needs an x11 restart [03:56] doubt it if it's in kde options [03:56] should just work [03:56] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-157.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:57] ah fixed it ty [03:57] I had thought it wasnt working because the applications needed restart [03:57] yeah [03:59] gonna try a compiz install [03:59] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [03:59] looks like it actually might be simple thanks to apt-get [04:00] but somehow I doubt it [04:01] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:02] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("She talks to angels, says they call her out by name."). [04:03] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [04:03] dive: dive sending now. [04:04] ok thanks [04:05] np. thank you for taking an interest in them. I threw two scripts I'd like to pass on too [04:05] Emeau_ (~emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-75-240.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:05] Just make sure you open all executables with an editor [04:06] ThinkPad-X200 (~astoundin@c-68-81-91-254.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:06] you know, to make sure things are safe etc etc [04:06] astounding (~astoundin@c-68-81-91-254.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:06] Nick change: astounding -> ThinkPad-X200 [04:07] Axius (~hi@92.82.81.91) joined ##slackware. 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[04:17] Axius (~hi@92.82.81.91) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:18] yesterday i switched from x to tty 6 and i had no input signal on my monitor anymore, only on X, then i killed it with pressing twice ctrl+alt+backspace (the second time kdm doesnt start up, its a known bug), and i had no signal, i logged in with ssh h tried to powering off with poweroff and shutdown now, it did something (closed the ssh connection) but didnt shut down, finally i pushed for 2 seconds the powerbutton f my pc, but it [04:18] didnt shutdown, too. [04:19] you are booting into kdm? [04:19] i liked slackware 12.2 but since 13 basic things dont work , dunno why but linux is my productive system and if its not getting better, i think i have to leave the distribution :( [04:19] Cann0n: yeah init 4 is my default runlevel [04:20] there isn't much of a difference between 12.2 and 13 IMO [04:20] i use the nvidia drivers which have since slack 13 no nvidialogo anymore [04:20] my gpu is nvidia 9800gt [04:21] i never used nvidia. I'm sure you could find the binary drivers somewhere. [04:21] another example, onmy netbook is while powering off a segemntation fault, live cds shutdown clearly [04:21] The_ManU_212, the nvidia logo is a setting in xorg.conf or used to be [04:21] The_ManU_212: newer nvidia drivers do not display the logo anymore by default [04:22] dive: same setting as in 12.2 nologo false, in 12.2 it worked in 13 not [04:22] The_ManU_212, Option "NoLogo" "True/false" [04:22] pprkut: k and how to enable? [04:22] zux1wrk (~zux@212.93.100.166) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [04:22] dive: already set to false [04:22] hmm [04:22] oh well I guess nvidia changed it so maybe there's a new setting "Logo" "True" [04:23] the nvidia linux forum is a good place to ask for that sruff [04:23] stuff [04:23] dive: but this is not really a problem, a problem is switching between X and tty like yesterday, i ahd this error the 1st time that i had couldnt shutdown the amchine, i looked in the logs but couldnt find anything [04:23] there's a README for that as well ;) [04:23] well, i'm out. night everyone [04:23] troys (~troys@h-68-165-100-2.dnvtco56.static.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:24] nn [04:24] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [04:24] dive: with this graphics card i have in tty also only one screen with a picture the other one hsnt one [04:24] Axius (~hi@92.82.81.91) joined ##slackware. [04:25] The_ManU_212, sorry I didn't understand that [04:25] things that i dislike are the infinityloop of restarting x is broken because of kdm, which isnt shutting down vleanly (who brings this into a stable slackware) [04:26] The_ManU_212, if X is restarting then you need fix X [04:26] troys (~troys@h-68-165-100-2.dnvtco56.static.covad.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:26] and that yeserday i didnt had a signal on any minitor except in X, then shutting down from ssh didnt work, dunno y [04:26] kdm will just start right up again in runlevel 4 [04:27] dive: i discussed the problem with several people here it IS a bug, perhaps not many are using ctrl+alt+backsace [04:27] and you can always stay with 12.2 if nothing else works. & try again next version [04:27] i use it when i dont wnat to save a session, test some things [04:27] ThinkPad-X200 (~astoundin@c-68-81-91-254.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12 [04:27] so what does ctrl-alt -backspace do? [04:27] sahk0: yeah, but i allready set all my programs up, configured kde4 [04:27] dive: restarting x with kkdm once, then not cause kdm hangs [04:28] then= the 2nd time [04:28] ah ok so kdm is hanging [04:28] does it do it with nv driver too? [04:29] ThomasLocke_ (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [04:29] because I have just restarted kdm around 5 or 6 times to try out different settings and it didn't hang [04:32] dive: some nice guys tested here a default installation of slackware 13.0 in a virtual machine and had the same problem [04:32] how did they do ctrl-alt-backspace in a vm? [04:33] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [04:33] dive: dunno but some virtual amchine accept these commands [04:35] ThinkPad-X200 (~root@c-68-81-91-254.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[04:35] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@c-68-81-91-254.hsd1.pa.comcast.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [04:35] ThinkPad-X200 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: You are banned [04:36] dive: vbox has a menu entry "send ctrl-alt-backspace to guest" [04:36] ah yeah [04:36] dive: and the other fatal thing for a productive system was that i had the system shutdown by pressing the powerbutton, very long dunno if my filesystems are ok or so.... :( [04:38] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:38] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Client Quit [04:38] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:42] The_ManU_212 (~manu@port-92-200-8-156.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:44] Axius (~hi@92.82.81.91) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:44] foundation (~ea@109.93.135.132) joined ##slackware. [04:50] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) joined ##slackware. [04:51] hello slackers [04:52] sarkoman (~sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:53] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [04:54] what should i do to give TrueCrypt permission to decrypt and mount partitions? It sais i am not in the sudoers [04:54] and everytime i start, if i want internet access i need to type dhclient [04:56] Azalyn: which distribution? [04:56] errm sorry Azeotrope ^ [04:56] Azeotrope: what kind of internet connection ? [04:57] if it's a permanent connection , like ethernet, you could just add dhclient command to be executed when your system starts , add it to /etc/rc.d/rc.local [04:58] not sure if that is the smartest way tho [04:58] foundation, it's direct internet connection, permanent [04:59] is it your router that gives you the IP ? If so , it would be faster to set your IP to fixed one [05:00] i don't have a router [05:00] and i have a static ip [05:02] i don't know what to add in sudoers so a single user can access truecrypt as root, but with password [05:04] Infin1ty (~erez@infinite.co.il) left irc: Quit: Quit [05:04] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:06] mrpuff (~mrpuff@202.154.57.149) joined ##slackware. [05:06] hello [05:07] Ryzor (~King@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:08] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-68-200.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:11] mrpuff (~mrpuff@202.154.57.149) left irc: [05:12] i get this error in truecrypt: user Azeotrope is not allowed to run sudo on darkstar. the incident will be reportde [05:15] edit /etc/sudoers and add "Azerotrope ALL=(ALL) ALL" without quotes after the root ALL=(ALL) ALL line [05:18] truecrypt isnt the standard way of encrypting partitions in Linux [05:23] sahk0: hi [05:24] sahk0, i know but i can use it o windozez too [05:25] exit [05:25] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:27] you mean you want to unlock linux partitions from windows? [05:28] sahk, i mean i can decrypt portable hdds anywhere [05:29] yeah that sounds like an advantage [05:31] morning [05:31] anyone used xargs' -P option? for parallel execution of several programs (it's like make -jX) [05:32] oobe (~none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:32] oobe (~none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [05:33] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.106.22) joined ##slackware. [05:34] Azeotrop1 (1000@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [05:34] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:34] sure. dm_crypt/Luks unsupported by current Windows drivers. as well as bitlocker/EFS encryprion nut supported by Linux NTFS drivers[including NTFS-3g] [05:34] Azeotrop1 (1000@193.239.140.184) left irc: Client Quit [05:35] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. 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[05:56] how can i use .emerald themes? i can't find beryl in slackbuilds [05:56] Azeotrope: beryl is not used anymore [05:57] Azeotrope: .emerald themes con be used using emerald as window manager [05:58] so what do i do to have this theme? http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=120525&file1=120525-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Dusted [05:58] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.70.73) joined ##slackware. [05:59] Azeotrope: download it, install emerald, set it as default window manager and use this theme [06:00] emerald is not on slackbuilds... [06:01] Azeotrope: well, go to 12.2 repo, and make up-to-date ;-) [06:02] that's strange [06:02] dive: I see on 13.0's ChangeLog [06:02] emerald is listed as an optional dep for emerald [06:02] metrofox, eh? [06:03] desktop/emerald: Removed; this is unmaintained. --dsomero [06:03] yeah [06:03] there's a long list of deps [06:03] that's why it's not on 13.0 repo [06:03] i see that there is compiz fusion too! [06:03] yeah [06:04] Azeotrope: avoid it [06:04] Azeotrope: wait for someone to upgrade that version of compiz-fusion [06:04] too many dependencies that should be reviewed [06:04] ok... [06:05] why is so complicated to install in slack? [06:05] why do ubuntu or fedora use it out of the box [06:05] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:06] Azeotrope: it's not so complicate, but if you want to do a clean installation you just need to wait for a newer version [06:06] slackware comes with compiz [06:06] yeah :) [06:06] you just need to run it [06:06] compiz-0.7.8-x86_64-4 [06:06] compiz --replace or whatever it is - forget now [06:06] how? [06:07] man compiz [06:07] dive: there's no man for compiz :P [06:07] oh? [06:07] well maybe --help then [06:08] I'm not sure, it's ages since I looked at it, got bored with it. [06:08] dive: help is not satisfying actually, but it's ok ;) [06:08] compiz --replace is fine [06:09] the problem comes when it crashes and you have no window manager [06:09] yeah... you remain without window borders... [06:09] nick4b (~nick4b@195.74.225.107.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:09] metrofox: i did that but my windows had no upper side... where the name of the window is [06:09] Agiofws_ (~Agiofws@athedsl-429106.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:09] lol I knew [06:10] restart X then [06:10] or use another window manager [06:10] what other window manager [06:10] shees [06:10] you can just call any other window manager with --replace, it's a standard [06:11] actually, if compiz is already dead, you don't even need --replace =) [06:11] try kwin [06:11] or twm ^^ [06:12] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.106.22) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:12] or mwm [06:12] or fvwm :P [06:12] or fluxbox [06:12] or blackbox... [06:12] Azeotrope, which desktop are you using? [06:12] twm is actually quite nice (it's the one shipped with X) [06:12] kde? [06:13] actually I don't know what desktop I'm using [06:13] s/desktop/wm/ [06:13] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:13] ctrl-alt-backspace in anger! [06:13] well he's quit... time for having a shower :D [06:14] brb [06:17] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Quit: brb [06:17] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [06:18] pfff [06:18] haaaard [06:18] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [06:19] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [06:20] hirte: tnx, it seems to be mode problem [06:20] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [06:20] err, wrong channel [06:20] ok. i did compiz --replace, CTRL+AL+BACKSPACE, then startx but i cant see compiz working [06:21] gne? [06:21] well, no. compiz will stop when you exit X [06:22] and i dont have window borders [06:22] when you did compiz --replace did it print any error message [06:22] ? [06:23] you still have no borders now? [06:23] compiz (core) - Error: Couldn't load plugin 'ccp' [06:23] yea [06:23] compiz, a.k.a. the unreliable window manager [06:23] in kde? [06:23] or what? [06:23] yes, kde [06:24] press alt-f2 and type kwin in the run dialogue [06:25] if you don't get run dialogue, open a terminal and type 'kwin &' [06:27] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:28] dive, i did that [06:28] you have borders back? [06:28] nopew [06:29] open a terminal and killall compiz [06:29] then run kwin again [06:30] dive, thanks. it has borders now [06:30] but how do i enable compiz? [06:30] well normally, the way we said [06:31] maybe it's to do with that plugin error - I'm just reading about it. [06:33] war9407 (war@liquidswords.org) joined ##slackware. [06:33] everything is just not working [06:36] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!root@* expired. [06:36] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@c-68-81-91-254.hsd1.pa.comcast.net expired. [06:36] ##slackware: mode change '-bb *!root@* *!*@c-68-81-91-254.hsd1.pa.comcast.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [06:36] what's the diff between compiz and compiz fusion? [06:37] AFAIK, there used to be two projects: compiz and beryl. A few year ago they merged into compiz-fusion [06:37] Agiofws_ (~Agiofws@athedsl-429106.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:38] so slack has the older compiz and not compiz-fusion [06:38] it evolved with time [06:38] correct [06:39] atleast that is my understanging anyway [06:39] understanding* [06:40] Agiofws_ (~Agiofws@athedsl-436204.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:40] though it's more of the latest best base compiz iirc [06:41] i've found the source tarballs for compiz fusion [06:41] should i install em? [06:41] turned into what you want if you want even more bells and whistles than the Desktop Environment hast to offer itself [06:42] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.220.119) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [06:42] Actually I double checked it and it seems that there are two projects coming out of the merge of compiz and beryl: compiz (consisting of the core, and base plugins) and compiz-fusion (consisting of extra tools, etc) [06:43] correctomondo [06:43] theres no more compiz-fusion. only compiz afaik [06:43] so, how do i use em on slack? kde4 effects suck [06:44] install it' [06:44] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.60.211) joined ##slackware. [06:44] then set up your system to use it [06:44] you enlighnend me [06:44] @sahk0: According to wikipedia, both of them coexist [06:44] even xfce can use it [06:44] slaker: yep [06:45] slaker: i wouldnt trust wikipedia, although i am not certain myself either [06:45] whats the compiz-fuzion website? [06:45] because compiz-fusion is just compiz that got out of hand. [06:45] sahk0: Sorry, i read the last part and in 2009 they were merged to compiz. You're right [06:45] http://www.compiz.org/ [06:45] foundation (~ea@109.93.135.132) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:46] offs, we were living in 2009 slaker ^^ [06:47] im still stuck in 1992 but i knew that :p [06:47] sahk0: you mean you use onl cli? [06:47] sahk0: heh [06:47] nick4b (~nick4b@195.74.225.107.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:48] i hate the word fusion [06:48] Azeotrope: not really, i meanlife in general [06:48] i need a leprechaun to make compiz work in my slackbox [06:49] it's not that tough [06:49] even if you lose the leprechaun [06:49] i had it working in xfce [06:50] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-56-58.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:50] which is even more of a pita [06:50] the main problem is that there's not much documentation on slack [06:50] and i'm kinda noob [06:50] Emeau_ (~emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-75-240.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) got netsplit. [06:50] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) got netsplit. [06:50] Lab_Rat (~lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) got netsplit. [06:50] afu (~afu@beavis.cba.ua.edu) got netsplit. [06:50] gui_ap (~gui_ap@unaffiliated/gui-ap/x-6398608) got netsplit. 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[06:50] the way I read it was that compiz and beryl cam together to form compiz-fusion [06:51] though compiz legacy still remains in use? [06:51] Azeotrope, I just tried it in kde and I didn't get that ccd error, but it still didn't work. [06:51] mrselfpwn, yes [06:52] so it's hadicapped by default [06:52] Azeotrope: what actually is the problem? [06:53] no window borders, but I recall having to start kde-window-decorator after compiz but that program seems to have disappeared [06:53] Nimrod (~ikar@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [06:53] Azeotrope: on dive's note what video card do you have? [06:53] Nimrod (~ikar@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Client Quit [06:54] mishehu (mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) returned to ##slackware. [06:54] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) returned to ##slackware. [06:54] signal11 (esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) returned to ##slackware. [06:54] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) returned to ##slackware. [06:54] stunix (1000@85.19.141.194) returned to ##slackware. [06:55] mrselfpwn: if i do compiz --replace i get no window borders or effects. i notices the minimize effect and that's all [06:55] gui_ap (~gui_ap@unaffiliated/gui-ap/x-6398608) returned to ##slackware. [06:55] Emeau (~emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-75-240.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:55] ml4711 (~morten@0x50a69862.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) returned to ##slackware. [06:56] giuppy (~giuppy@host251-162-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) got lost in the net-split. [06:56] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) got lost in the net-split. [06:56] ardya (ardy@rdb.ardynet.com) got lost in the net-split. [06:56] Budd^ (~budd@76.252.164.74) got lost in the net-split. [06:56] askhader (~askhader@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) got lost in the net-split. [06:56] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) got lost in the net-split. [06:56] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) got lost in the net-split. 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[06:57] slacker, latest 64bit driver from nvidia website [06:57] goarilla_ (~goarilla@71.94-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [06:57] how do i double check on that? [06:57] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:58] glxinfo | grep rendering [06:58] afu (~afu@beavis.cba.ua.edu) joined ##slackware. [06:58] Does it say 'yes'? [06:58] is it different on 64bit slaker ? [06:59] i mean the setup [06:59] I don't think so [06:59] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:59] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [06:59] k [07:00] direct rendering: Yes [07:00] Ok, 3d acceleration is fine - the driver is installed correctly [07:01] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:02] what window decorator are you using? [07:02] i don't know that [07:02] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:02] i think kde default [07:02] askhader (~askhader@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) joined ##slackware. [07:03] gintek (~gintek@int218.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:03] giuppy (~giuppy@host251-162-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:03] I'm going to compile 0.8.4 and see how it goes [07:03] dive, i want to do that too [07:04] teach me [07:04] please [07:04] well if you can wait a while I will have some slackbuilds [07:04] dive: thanks [07:04] oh, thanks [07:04] there are a load of plugins and a compizconfig python app too though so it might take a while [07:05] I didn't follow the conversation from the beginning: what version of slack, what version of compiz? [07:06] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [07:07] CaRaMuRu (~caramuru@187.36.136.19) joined ##slackware. [07:07] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [07:07] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:08] i got this in my terminal w/o doing anything http://pastebin.org/94771 [07:08] the latest compiz version on slackware64 13.0 [07:09] have you tried a different window decorator, eg. emerald? [07:09] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-61-92.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [07:11] slaker, if you don't mind a raw log of the conversation I have one from about 1:30 -8gmt [07:12] http://pastebin.org/94774 [07:13] v4nelle (~van@79.103.136.171.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:13] slaker, let me know if you arn't goint to use it [07:14] slaker: no.. [07:14] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:14] i haven't tried emerald [07:15] cause i don't know how to get it [07:15] @kop thanks [07:17] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/emerald/ [07:17] haven't done slack in more than a while [07:17] Azeotrope: If there are no caveats on the 64bit system i've had compiz working in xfce using only documention I found with google. [07:17] but , got "wget" ? [07:17] In slack 32bit [07:18] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-61-92.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:18] doesn't matter if it's for 12.2? [07:19] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-71-191.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:19] olé [07:19] from France [07:19] :p [07:19] It shouldn't, but make sure you edit the slackbuild and change the architecture to x86_64 [07:19] yea [07:20] it would be a lot easier if installing apps in slack was as easy as in ubuntu for example [07:21] There are a number of compiz related packages on www.slackbuilds.org (repository 12.2) [07:21] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [07:22] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:22] or build from source [07:23] Azeotrope: use Ubuntu. [07:24] If you are going to build from source, you can check src2pkg, which will make it easier for you by creating slack packages from sources. [07:26] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [07:26] i think i'm gonna build everything from source [07:28] slaker (~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:32] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-94-83.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:34] i still get this errors in my terminal http://pastebin.org/94778 [07:35] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-214-240.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [07:36] Emeau (~emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-75-240.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:37] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:38] i am sorry, [07:38] i am with Ubuntu [07:40] why be sorry ? [07:40] i would [07:41] prefer slackware [07:41] why ? [07:41] slackware was my first Linux [07:41] because Patrick prefers microbrews ? [07:41] i prefer Ubuntu now [07:42] use what works and tinker with what you want [07:42] je devient feignant [07:42] who can help me to traduire ? [07:43] to translate * [07:43] nick4b (~nick4b@195.74.225.107.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:43] Camarade_Tux ca [07:43] << poor english [07:43] when I run the command 'locale' to says I got "en_US" for everything... is that normal? [07:43] can [07:43] dive, oléééé [07:43] dive, do you want sarko :p [07:44] i would want Obama [07:44] foobarz, I prefer en_US.UTF8 myself [07:44] =) [07:44] Camarade_Tux, olé [07:44] =) [07:44] nader__ (~nader@84.241.20.118) joined ##slackware. [07:44] dive: how can I set that... I want to use that for all of that locate stuff and take my chances [07:44] he's becoming a fat lazy couch potato (translations are never perfect xD ) [07:45] oh like you then :P [07:45] Im getting all sorts of screwed characters ... characters print in gui program, on ls -l, and in other places... them same char can some times print 3 or more different ways depending on where I read it! [07:45] hi, any free shell for web browsing ? [07:45] foobarz, edit /etc/profile.d/lang.sh [07:46] then log out/in aain [07:47] Camarade_Tux, i will install a Ubuntu [07:47] :o [07:47] for a server [07:47] my server * [07:47] Action: Camarade_Tux stops talking [07:47] i've got a lot of [07:47] pictures [07:47] à partager [07:47] cats, dogs [07:48] i don't want create a server [07:48] dive: ok I made that edit... now I will logout if I am lucky I maybe return [07:48] with Windows [07:48] :( [07:48] want to * [07:48] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:49] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-56-252.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [07:49] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-56-252.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [07:49] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-60-85.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:50] who have [07:50] nader__ (~nader@84.241.20.118) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:50] has installed [07:50] KDE 4.4 ? [07:50] with 'tgz [07:50] and why Patrick prefer KDE [07:51] :p [07:57] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) joined ##slackware. [07:57] hi slackers, how are you? [07:57] I'm fine manhunter :) [07:57] thank you :) [07:58] i have some question about making slackbuilds [07:58] version=${version:-0.18-1} [07:58] why do we write this? [07:58] can't i write , version=0.18-1 [07:58] You don't have to write that [07:59] if i do , echo $version , i get , 0.18-1 as output [07:59] Get some more bash scripting knowledge first [07:59] alienBOB: i have read basic bash script [07:59] tldp.org [07:59] cadmium (mike@217.194.139.22) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:59] Well the basics were not enough then [07:59] that syntax allows previously set values from the environment to be retained [07:59] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:01] Skaperen: nothing in the $version environment variable, if i do echo $version in a newly opened konsole [08:01] it prints nothing [08:01] empty line [08:02] Emeau (~emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-75-240.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:02] manhunter: so ... but the syntax allows there to be, such as an override [08:02] ok , i'm joining #bash to be clear about it [08:03] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [08:03] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-48-112.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [08:03] manhunter: basically, the :- part in that follows a variable name and does "if this variable is empty, then use the following value instead [08:03] foo=${foo:-bar} [08:04] what the ${foo:-bar} part does is, if variable foo is non-empty, use it, else use "bar" (as the value, not as a variable) [08:05] that result is then assigned to foo [08:06] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.42) joined ##slackware. [08:07] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-240.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:07] I use that syntax often in my scripts to establish default values for variables that are not set [08:09] Skaperen: i got the answer , in portability,wooledge wiki [08:10] http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/073 [08:10] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-15.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [08:10] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [08:14] Emeau (~emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-75-240.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:14] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:14] why is , set -e , [08:14] ? [08:15] in slackbuilds [08:15] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-127.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [08:15] if i do , man set , get nothing [08:15] No manual entry for set [08:15] manhunter: read the slackbuilds.org faq and read the template.slackbuild [08:15] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.59.219) joined ##slackware. [08:16] sahk0: give the link for template slackbuilds [08:16] no, find it yourself [08:17] http://slackbuilds.org/template.SlackBuild [08:17] is it ? [08:17] probably. read it [08:18] manhunter: you aint going out on a date with ANYONE in here, so quit asking us all to hold your hand. [08:18] manhunter: set -e is inside bash ... do: man bash [08:18] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [08:18] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:19] i am trying to make a slackbuild [08:19] manhunter: \o/ [08:20] loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool [08:21] it seems you are not content to just follow the pattern of what others have done to make a slackbuild, but you seem to also want to understand how it is done [08:23] manhunter: what slackbuild? [08:23] Skaperen: what's wrong with that? [08:23] i am trying to understand each and every line of that slackbuild to make my own in that fashion [08:23] manhunter: best way is to under stand how the compile script works first [08:24] configure --help [08:24] ./configure --help [08:24] first learn C , then learn bash, then try to write a SlackBuild, then come back here and ask [08:25] or vice verso [08:25] ;) [08:25] no! [08:25] i know C/C++ [08:25] and have read tldp.org [08:25] sahk0: as long as he learns it [08:25] how can i make console to start with a specified profile, irssi, to launch irssi, be fullscreen, no borders, no menu etc [08:26] konsole i mean [08:26] nvision (~nvision@e179130245.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [08:26] Azeotrope: please [08:26] #irssi [08:26] hah [08:27] it's related to konsole, not irssi [08:28] mrselfpwn: nothing wrong with that [08:29] first he needs to stop spamming lolz on irc [08:29] gotta go afk and figure out why the mount command is taking 100% CPU on my file server [08:30] and there is a google law [08:30] ardya (ardy@rdb.ardynet.com) joined ##slackware. [08:31] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [08:32] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-179-231.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [08:33] http://www.noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=292 [08:34] reminds me of this [08:34] hmmm ... mount took 4m20s of CPU time just to change the errors flag [08:34] Emeau (~emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-75-240.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:36] bhychik (~bhychik@83.167.107.103) joined ##slackware. [08:37] Action: slackie hi there \o [08:38] bhychik (~bhychik@83.167.107.103) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:38] mrselfpwn: awesome quote ;-) [08:39] i agree >> [08:40] do i have to make doinst.sh too? [08:40] i hve read templaete.slackbuilds [08:40] i think , i have to copy and paste before /sbin/makepkg line [08:41] and change the program name and version and so [08:41] to make a slackbuild [08:41] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [08:41] right? [08:42] bhychik (~bhychik@83.167.107.103) joined ##slackware. [08:42] do you know what the makepkg line does? [08:42] good day! [08:42] could somebody help me? I can't mount dvd. [08:43] sahk0: it makes slackware .tgz or .txz package [08:43] by default it .tgz [08:43] bhychik, what sort of dvd? [08:43] at last line [08:43] no i mean what does '-l y' for example [08:43] dvd disc with data [08:44] do* [08:44] for 8,5 GB [08:44] bhychik, and mount command gives what error? [08:44] cd mounts well [08:44] i use kde tool to mount [08:45] try it in the command line and see what error you get. You might want to check 'dmesg | tail' too. [08:45] ok [08:45] what's this error about http://pastebin.org/94809 [08:45] ? [08:46] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:46] that from compiz? [08:46] Azeotrope: it clearly says [08:46] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [08:46] ananke: how do i correct it? [08:46] Azeotrope, compiz error? [08:46] install kde-config [08:47] Azeotrope: first, you verify whether you do in fact lack kde-config. if so, you check which slackware package contains it, and you install it [08:47] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:47] kde-config isn't in 13.0 afaik [08:47] welcome to slackware. you said you like to do things the difficult way :) [08:47] Azeotrope, is that error from compiz or not? [08:47] Budd^ (~budd@76.252.164.74) joined ##slackware. [08:47] ananke: i don't mind having my mind worked as a slave [08:47] sahk0: if there any symbolic links found in the install script , delete them , [08:47] sahk0: why y is selected [08:48] http://pastebin.org/94811 [08:48] here it is [08:48] kde-config is not on slackbuilds.... [08:48] if there is -l omitted , i will be prompted [08:48] -l for linkadd [08:48] Azeotrope, got me on ignore or something? [08:49] install script=doinst.sh [08:49] Azeotrope, if that's the compiz install then you need disable kde and enable kde4 [08:49] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.59.219) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:49] dive: no, why [08:49] ooh.. sorry. yea, i am trying to install emerald [08:49] lol [08:49] why would you want compiz with kde4? it has majority of those things built in [08:49] I have a working slackbuild but I haven't uploaded it yet [08:50] maybe he likes windows of fire! [08:50] sahk0: ? [08:50] sahk0: what? [08:50] sahk0: am i right? [08:50] ananke: because kde4 effects are not so fancy... i can't zoom on desktop with CTRL+scroll.. [08:50] it accepts only keys [08:50] sahk0: loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool [08:51] ahh. that. yeah, definitely worth the effort [08:51] CTRL++ [08:51] So no ideas about my trouble? [08:51] manhunter: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Image:Omg2.png [08:52] ananke: lol!!! (are three '!' ok to show how I feel?) [08:52] Camarade_Tux: still within limits of sanity, yes :) [08:53] bhychik: you're trying to mount a mountpoint instead of a device :) [08:53] uheuhaeaeuhae [08:53] ananke: \o/ [08:53] try mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom [08:53] i have also tried it [08:53] dive: how do i disable kde and enable kde4? [08:53] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:53] Azeotrope: lol [08:54] bhychik: show me a pastebin when you try the cmd i wrote [08:54] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:54] sorry [08:54] manhunter: i'm new [08:54] i am an idiot [08:55] i didn't type mount moint after device [08:55] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:55] :) [08:55] happens to the best of us [08:55] there is kde 4.4 [08:56] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [08:56] Azeotrope: still at it? [08:56] have you been to sleep since you started with slackware? :) [08:56] not yet [08:56] ehehe [08:56] it;s kinda pita [08:56] :) [08:56] thats the fun [08:56] Azeotrope, here's my slackbuild, have a look at configure options: http://slackadelic.pastebin.com/f7d7b2a61 [08:57] man i remember my first slackware install [08:57] thank you, dive ! [08:57] the kernel on the boot floppy supported my cdrom drive, but the system kernel didnt [08:58] so i had to go home for xmas break and figure out how to build a kernel [08:58] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) joined ##slackware. [09:00] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [09:01] dive: can i use it with the latest version of compiz? [09:01] it's for 0.8.4 - did you find one newer? [09:02] yea, 0.8.4 [09:03] i need only compiz-0.8.4.tar.bz2? or everything in the source directory of compiz? [09:04] I'm doing all at the moment - plugins, compizconfig-python and some others [09:05] do i have to write doinst.sh to make a slackbuild? [09:05] why do we need doinst.sh ? [09:06] info twkm [09:06] only if you need to alter it [09:06] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-56-252.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [09:06] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [09:06] i can't understand the necessity of doinst.sh [09:07] doinst.sh is created automatically by makepkg [09:07] You are more or less wasting time on compiz, it is under a complete rewrite and dev team can't pull their head out of their asses. [09:08] jiraia (~jiraia@189.31.9.9) joined ##slackware. [09:08] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/development/geany/ ,here is doinst.sh already [09:08] ananke: ^ [09:12] i starting to like slack [09:12] doinst.sh is for doing post install work for the package. If you need to do something that the standard doinst.sh does not do you write your own and makepkg will append to it. [09:13] hmm, dang konsole bug with disappearing context menu. can't right click [09:13] haha, I hate that bug :) [09:14] mornin pprkut [09:14] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-179-231.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:14] morning XGizzmo [09:14] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=185466 . i guess i'll have to close this konsole and start over [09:14] XGizzmo: if i do not write doinst.sh , if i omit it , is there any problem,? [09:14] XGizzmo: can i submit then? [09:14] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-179-231.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:15] manhunter: Since I have no clue what you are doing I can not anwser that. [09:21] bhychik (~bhychik@83.167.107.103) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:23] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [09:23] XGizzmo: i want to make a slackbuild [09:26] i want to install kde 4.3 in slack [09:26] Azeotrope: I advise you not to [09:28] Why not? [09:29] I thought -current had it? [09:29] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [09:30] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.74.47) joined ##slackware. [09:30] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.70.73) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:31] v4nelle (~van@79.103.136.171.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:32] installing -current after approximatly using Slackware for 1 day is not really a good idea IMHO [09:33] especially with the /dev/hdX -> /dev/sdX migration and a glibc update [09:33] among lots of others [09:33] indeed [09:37] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:40] nick4b (~nick4b@195.74.225.107.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:42] exos (~exos@190.18.131.156) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [09:46] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.94.165) joined ##slackware. [09:46] pprkut: why? what can kde 4.3 do bad? [09:47] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:47] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:48] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:48] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:48] Camarade_Tux, if he's using 13.0 theres no problem on migration to current, kernel change perhaps, but a lilo solves that, and upgrade aaa_elflibs is necessary as well [09:49] Azeotrope, no not in particular, but -current introduces some updates which might go not that flawlessly like the mentioned above [09:49] danillo (~danillo@187.51.48.114) joined ##slackware. [09:49] Nick change: nvision -> hubbard [09:49] Nick change: hubbard -> nvision [09:51] ardya (ardy@rdb.ardynet.com) left irc: Changing host [09:51] ardya (ardy@unaffiliated/ardya) joined ##slackware. [09:51] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Client Quit [09:52] Azeotrope: You are quite new to our way of doing things. Moving to a development system and/or messing with the default system does not really help you in understanding it [09:52] it just makes things more complicated [09:52] slackware-current is the development area. it's usually stable, but there is absolutely no guarantee on the stability because it's the development area. [09:52] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:53] Action: Delahunt uses -current rather frequently but it does have its cons [09:53] like keeping a build area (i.e. because i cannot depend on alienBOB's and rworkman's repositories) [09:53] but actually you could try it or is it used to be your production system? [09:53] (because their packages are for 13) [09:53] i don't use "production", i'm a home user and i like to help test [09:54] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:54] although technically one could consider running audio production at my church "production" but i am still using -current [09:54] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [09:54] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [09:55] cadmium (mike@217.194.139.22) joined ##slackware. [10:02] euklides_ (~chatzilla@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [10:04] guax: there is a problem if you had drives as /dev/hdX, not /dev/sdX [10:04] Camarade_Tux, but that change happened before 13.0 [10:04] update from 13.0 to -current will change nothing in that aspect [10:04] not, it happened a few weeks ago [10:05] hummmm [10:05] Mon Jan 4 21:43:02 UTC 2010 [10:05] http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 [10:06] Actuallu it happened some time ago for some setups. Depends on the interface in use [10:07] For me it happened with Slackware 12.0 I think, when sata drives were recognized as sdX [10:09] that was probably in the move from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 [10:09] no, it was much later [10:09] ech (~meow@unaffiliated/echoes) joined ##slackware. [10:10] CtrlAltCa: I remember there was a separate sata.i kernel, at some point this merged into the main kernel [10:10] sahk0: right, 2.6 worked with /dev/hdX for a while. [10:11] See changelog of 12.2: Fri Nov 7 22:37:26 CST 2008 [10:11] a/kernel-generic-2.6.27.5-i486-1.tgz [10:13] There is a nice page on the internet to search in the ChangeLogs :) http://www.nielshorn.net/slackware/slack_versions_search.php [10:15] danillo (~danillo@187.51.48.114) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:17] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:17] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. 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[10:43] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:44] Drakevr (~drakevr@athedsl-271147.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Changing host [10:44] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [10:49] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [10:50] ok, I'm on a box running slack64. I installed slack32 packages to a temp dir on the machine, and chroot to that dir. I want to build a kernel for 32bit procs on it, but when I'm in the chrooted path and run make menuconfig on the kernel, the only options I get for cpu type are all 64-bit x86 processor types. [10:51] Infin1ty (~erez@bzq-79-179-46-87.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [10:51] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:53] euklides_ (~chatzilla@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:55] mishehu, i don't think you can chroot into a 32bit environment from a 64 bit environment [10:55] god bless fbsd for this ability [10:55] well the chrooting itself occurred without any outward signs of error [10:56] Delahunt: yes, you can. [10:56] in fact, if I'm not mistaken, that was always the recommended way to play 32bit games in a 64bit environment [10:56] a chrooted install of 32bit os. [10:57] Action: Delahunt shrugs [10:58] s/shrugs/fails [10:58] :p [10:58] lolwut (~lolwut@67-42-208-51.ptld.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:59] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-94-83.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:59] and I just make a little "hello world" test program in c, and compiled it in the chrooted environment. I do indeed end up with a 32 bit binary [11:00] sizeof operators ? [11:00] Nick change: goarilla_ -> goarilla [11:00] mishehu, try: "make menuconfig -ARCH=i386" [11:00] goarilla (~goarilla@71.94-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Changing host [11:00] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) joined ##slackware. [11:01] thrice`: alright, will try [11:01] sec [11:01] hmm [11:02] make doesn't like that [11:02] jiraia (~jiraia@189.31.9.9) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:02] ahah [11:02] ARCH=i386 make menuconfig [11:02] thrice`: thanks :-) [11:03] ah, ok. [11:08] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:10] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:11] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [11:14] nick4b (~nick4b@195.74.225.107.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:15] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:15] lolwut (1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[11:25] so that explains my headache today [11:25] john_dee (~id@95-29-13-106.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [11:26] aw, now i want pancakes [11:26] lolwut (1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [11:26] misehu: try "source /etc/profile.d/32dev.sh" [11:28] Bloody Sundays.. can't ever get any support from anyone on XBMC on a Sunday :( [11:29] Axius (~jojjf@92.84.19.34) joined ##slackware. [11:29] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: [11:30] |slackin| (~slackin@32.130.150.8) joined ##slackware. [11:30] how does one get input from the user in a bash script again? it's something "this is the qustion" then read variable [11:30] joannis (~joannis@adsl-dyn3.78-99-204.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [11:31] nevermind, echo Prompt; read variabe [11:31] er variable [11:31] how to make xterm to use this configuration as default? : xterm -fa dejavusansmono -fs 12 [11:31] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:32] Axius: Looks nice [11:32] dejavusansmono? That's a good one. [11:32] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:33] Axius, put resource options in .Xdefaults or .Xresources [11:34] well so much for compiz. I give up on that one. [11:39] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.70.33) joined ##slackware. [11:40] kde's compiz-lite inst good enough? :) [11:41] Axius, um did you "man xterm" ? [11:41] i think it tells you what the config file is [11:41] I was just trying to get it working to have a look. [11:41] yes, i did. [11:41] hmm [11:41] you could alias it if you wanted though [11:42] Action: Delahunt just made a "query music" icon on the desktop that launches a script in Terminal that finds Music based on a query string [11:42] so much faster than using amarok on a netbook atom 1.6ghz [11:42] vzoltan_ (~vela@dsl51B65685.pool.t-online.hu) joined ##slackware. [11:45] mpc search any $1 [11:45] voila [11:45] mpd ftw [11:45] ? [11:50] huh, debian gets it right by loading kernel modules then setting systemwide sysctls [11:50] Axius (~jojjf@92.84.19.34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:50] nick4b (~nick4b@195.74.225.107.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:50] Acquiesce (~sixx@212.183.140.55) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [11:51] someone needs to tell pat [11:52] nvision (~nvision@e179130245.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:52] mishehu: since this is ipv6 related, you might find this of note: using a stock kewrnel, ipv6 is a module. If you set ipv6 tweaks in sysctl.conf, they don't get applied because modules are loaded after sysctl during init [11:53] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: get rid of the annoying kiddies [11:54] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:58] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:58] shawn__ (~shawn@cpe-24-31-147-42.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:58] Nick change: shawn__ -> kytan [11:59] I have an external hard drive i use for windows that i need to use linux to transfer data and having an issue it's read only and wondering how to by pass this as i think it's the file ssytem type it uses [12:00] and i'd prefere not to reformat [12:00] as long as you can read it you should be able to copy the files [12:01] yes i'm sorr i was not clearer i need to transfer data to the hard drive [12:02] no way unless you reformat (afaik) [12:02] read only means read only.. no writing allowed .. simple as that O.o [12:02] If it is an NTFS partition you need to mount it as type ntfs-3g with the appropriate parameters [12:03] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.215.118) joined ##slackware. [12:05] raph0x88__ (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) joined ##slackware. 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[12:49] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:50] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:50] Eastern [12:50] it was +i invite only [12:50] t0yt0y (~dindin@unaffiliated/t0yt0y) joined ##slackware. [12:50] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@unaffiliated/t0yt0y' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [12:50] t0yt0y kicked from ##slackware by ChanServ: User is banned from this channel [12:51] Whats the general verdict on x32 vs x64 for slack? [12:52] ThinkP[A]d-X200: ho 64 unless you have a good reason not to. [12:52] s/ho/go/ [12:52] why would there be a verdict? one is 32 bit and one is 64 [12:52] ThinkP[A]d-X200: if you have a choice, that is [12:53] satdav (~chatzilla@firefox/community/satdav) joined ##slackware. [12:53] the verdict is simple - if you want x86_64 and you have the hardware, you use slackware64 [12:53] I personally only install the 64bit ver on my x86_64 capable systems [12:54] you can't run slack64 on 32bit hardware, either, obviously. [12:54] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [12:54] the way mishehu stated it, made it sound as if he did.... [12:55] nope [12:55] you can't run the 64 bit build on 32 bit hardware [12:55] you can run the 32 bit build on 64 bit hardware though [12:55] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) joined ##slackware. [12:56] i'm planning a storage server and i'm going to do some kind of raid 0 array, but i'm not sure about how big to go [12:56] i'm wondering if tb and larger arrays would just take forever to reconstruct and repair [12:57] Skywise: storage and RAID0? Are you crazy? [12:57] Skywise: clearly, you don't care about your data integrity. [12:57] maybe, but whats that got to do with anything [12:57] I am at the very moment running 64 bit slack, and within it I have a chrooted install of 32 bit slack. [12:57] and am building a kernel for a mini-itx box I have elsewhere (it's a via c7) [12:57] I was just worried about added difficulty or incompatible programs, specifically wine [12:57] Skywise: do you know what happens if one drive dies? [12:57] no, i'd raid 1 if anything [12:57] Skywise: that's better. [12:58] Skywise: rebuilding a RAID1 array, at 1TB will take hours. [12:58] i see what i typed onw [12:58] ThinkP[A]d-X200: can't comment specifically on WINE, as I dont' use it [12:58] and never have [12:58] yeah, i meant to say raid 10 [12:58] I usually fire up kvm when I need a windows app [12:58] Skywise: oh, that's different too. [12:58] which it in of itself is pretty rare [12:58] I'm copying the entire contents of the Slack64 dvd onto my USB thumb drive, and then I'm going to run syslinux for win32 with the flags -ma to write the mbr to the flash drive and mark it as active [12:58] ThinkP[A]d-X200: wine on 64bit can be tricky, but not impossible. [12:59] i was hoping that would shorten the time needed to reconstruct/repair [12:59] I'm hoping that will be enough to install from usb [12:59] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.43.151) joined ##slackware. [12:59] LrA_Will (~LrA_Will@189.42.122.87) joined ##slackware. [12:59] teste [12:59] ThinkP[A]d-X200: I imagine that you could do a parallel installs of WINE - one a 32 bit build and one a 64 bit build in your system. might have to chroot a 32 bit slack install though. [13:00] fosforo_1 (~fosforo@187.15.26.14) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [13:00] Is it likely my attempt to create this bootable slack 64 install flash drive will be successful with my above described method? [13:01] My x200 has no cd rom drive [13:01] thumbs, i was going to use 64 or 128gb ssd for root paritition and then a sata array for storage [13:01] Skywise: not a bad idea. [13:02] satdav (chatzilla@firefox/community/satdav) left ##slackware. [13:02] ThinkP[A]d-X200: I think there's even a script or a doc in the install disc that explains how to do the usb thumbdrive boot [13:02] yeah ssd's are awesome for system drives [13:02] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.42) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [13:03] Ah yes if forgot to mention, after the first 2 steps I'm going to rename isolinux directory as isolinux.cfg to syslinux [13:03] and* [13:04] Skywise: the problem with rebuilding large arrays is that it takes time. Lots of it. [13:05] thumbs, yeah, up until now i've stayed under 250gb each, but thats not alot of space anymore [13:05] Skywise: I have a 1TB RAID1 w/ sata2, I know. [13:06] but to be honest, if i also made a multimedia machine to store data, then i wouldn't really need more then 1tb for everything else [13:06] ThinkP[A]d-X200: I suggest you read the docs about whatever your doing [13:06] thumbs, how long did it take to make your array? [13:06] Skywise: initially, 2.5 hours. [13:07] Skywise: err, make that 3.5 [13:07] oh thats ok [13:07] anything under 12hrs is ok [13:07] LrA_Will (~LrA_Will@189.42.122.87) left irc: Quit: Saindo [13:07] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:08] marienz (~mzz@freenode/staff/marienz) joined ##slackware. [13:08] i was thinking about using git as my backup engine [13:08] Woo... finally solved my stupid XBMC mystery :D Anyone else thinking of upgrading to 9.11 should read up: [13:08] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2010/02/21/xbmc-9-11-annoyances/ [13:08] Zordrak: I use an older build [13:08] so that you can recover earlier versions of files as well if needed [13:08] thumbs: you mean 9.04.1? [13:09] Zordrak: not sure. I set it up 2 years ago. [13:09] thumbs: *nod* [13:09] marienz (mzz@freenode/staff/marienz) left ##slackware. [13:09] well if you plan on upgrading at any point I recommend you give thta post the once-over [13:09] Zordrak: thanks [13:11] entrope- (~b@d221-72-206.commercial.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [13:14] correcaminos (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:14] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.209) joined ##slackware. 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[13:21] im probably not asking the right question [13:22] I upgraded glibc in slack 13.0 to the latest stable version by hand then when I compile stuff, perl gives me 6 lines of warnings complaining about my locales. [13:25] MadneX (~MadneX@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [13:26] you upgraded everything or only glibc? [13:26] everything. gcc, binutils, coreutils every little thing [13:26] is it an error about running 2.6.32.blah but the /usr/src/linux/ is 2.6.32.blah-smp ? [13:26] you took the updates from slackware-current or you built glibc by hand? [13:27] glibc by hand [13:27] NTU: pastebin the error, and maybe it needs perl to be recompiled [13:27] ok [13:27] and what is the link between perl and compilation? [13:27] no, you probably didn't generate locales [13:27] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:27] i didnt [13:27] why on earth did you update glibc yourself? [13:27] why not? :) [13:27] i dont know how [13:27] because it's a very critical component to the system? [13:27] 'why not' is not an acceptable answer. ever. [13:28] i dont think you can really appreciate a slackware package until you fuck up glibc [13:28] sure it is [13:28] its not like he's running the economy of chile on there [13:28] no, it isn't [13:28] its not acceptable if you're a wuss [13:28] :) [13:28] coolkehon (~coolkehon@unaffiliated/coolkehon) joined ##slackware. [13:28] I have now installed Slack on an laptop harddrive by putting it in an IBM thinkpad. i then pulled that HD with the fresh install of Slack out of that laptop and i Put it into a Sony Notebook PCG -505TS. the sony gets pask the Bios check without any errors, and then the HD is obviously spun up, and the screen simply prints "GRUB" in the top left text corner [13:28] its like messing with Vatican.. :p [13:28] GooseYArd: if the purpose is to find out how you can corrupt your operating system, sure. [13:28] it's not an acceptable answer [13:28] NTU, where did oyu install glibc to? [13:29] and nothing happens???? [13:29] GooseYArd: the question is, WHY would you willingly do that? [13:29] can i install slackware from a hard drive partition or usb [13:29] because you can do it all over again as many times as you like [13:29] thrice`: /usr libdir=/usr/lib64 localstatedir=/var [13:30] if you dont blow up glibc a few times you wont be qualified to mess with it [13:30] so, you just over-wrote the slackwar libc stuff? [13:30] exactly [13:30] AEnima1577: MBR is incorrect [13:30] o_O [13:30] and i know i missed something [13:30] btw im uploading warning to pastebin [13:30] whats an MBR [13:30] i think thrice is right about missing your locale data [13:30] coolkehon: google is your friend http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:usbboot [13:31] google tells me the Mercantile Cancorp Inc [13:31] GooseYArd, and I think you're useless :) [13:31] AEnima1577: masterboot record of a hdd [13:31] make localedata/install-locales [13:31] NTU, you can generate them by hand [13:31] GooseYArd: you're giving misleading advice, amongst other things. [13:31] you have no idea how many linux boxes i have destroyed [13:31] lol [13:31] localedef -i en_US -f ISO-8859-1 en_US [13:31] how well does slapt-get work? [13:32] localedef -i en_US -f ISO-8859-1 en_US.ISO-8859-1 [13:32] localedef -i en_US -f UTF-8 en_US.utf8 [13:32] should give you a good set [13:32] thrice`: hopefully that'll make perl STFU! [13:32] GooseYArd: do whatever you want on your own time. Don't give other the impression that it's the right approach. [13:32] thumbs: harden up, man [13:32] NTU: what was the problem you were trying to solve by updating glibc? [13:33] http://pastebin.ca/1804865 [13:33] a problem i was trying to fix? no i was bored [13:33] GooseYArd: harden up? What? [13:33] NTU, run my 3 commands and try again [13:33] ok [13:33] NTU: and did you learn from this experience? :) [13:34] thumbs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh6pZQX22CQ [13:34] ananke: yeah i have to do what thrice` told me to do [13:34] NTU: i was hoping it would be more along the lines of 'no reason to break a working component, with no goal in mind' [13:35] nope [13:35] GooseYArd: is that supposed to be funny? [13:35] NTU: i hope you're ashamed of yourself [13:35] im not [13:35] im happy [13:35] :) [13:35] that the support is great [13:36] take your time, i'm paid by the hour [13:36] NTU: next time you want to upgrade a core component like this, think twice. [13:36] the support may go away eventually, if you'll keep crying wolf over problems induced that way [13:36] aaha [13:36] man you guys are sissies [13:36] GooseYArd: you're annoying. [13:36] thumbs: be nice [13:36] thumbs: you're a twat [13:36] HAHA!!!!!! [13:36] im just going to put you on ignore now [13:36] I still think each computer should come with facestabd installed and running by default so you can facestab people through the internet : just run the facestab client, point to the ip and enjoy :-) [13:37] Action: NaCl senses a disturbance in the force [13:37] lol [13:37] and newbs would never disable it but people who can read would, its perfect [13:37] GooseYArd has been useless and annoying for a while, now. [13:38] eheh [13:38] thrice`: it worked [13:39] thank you so much. [13:39] sure thing [13:39] mohaa (~nome@92.49.72.24) joined ##slackware. [13:39] teckan (~teckan@p5B0CBB9C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:39] NTU: did you build it roughly along the lines of whats in the slackbuild? [13:39] i couldn't open up the .tgz since tar xf didnt work nor jf [13:39] so no. [13:40] The slackbuild is not in the package [13:40] oh [13:40] yah poke around in the sources directory [13:40] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:40] glibc isnt in there [13:40] Wiseguy (wiseguy@default-ip-gblx.shellfusion.net) joined ##slackware. [13:40] yes it is [13:40] yes, it is [13:40] look harder [13:40] or in /usr/doc/glibc* [13:40] Action: NTU looks again [13:40] the slackbuild scripts are stuffed in the docs dir for each package [13:40] hidden under l/, maybe [13:40] So, i do not see any way to edit my MBR (Master Boot Record) [13:40] thats handy if you get into a pinch [13:41] ThinkP[A]d-X200 (none@c-68-81-91-254.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [13:41] AEnima1577: use grub [13:41] GooseYArd, no, they're not [13:41] I have no interaction with Grub [13:41] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [13:41] NTU, try tar -xzf [13:41] tar xfv should work fine [13:41] during my install I did not install lilo [13:41] thrice`: ah I have it via the multilib slackbuild [13:41] i forgot if i used a dash or not [13:42] none of the keys will interact with me [13:42] no mouse interaction [13:42] /usr/doc/glibc-2.11.1/glibc-multilib.SlackBuild [13:42] Wiseguy (wiseguy@default-ip-gblx.shellfusion.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:42] NTU, http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-current/source/l/glibc/ [13:42] Wiseguy (wiseguy@default-ip-gblx.shellfusion.net) joined ##slackware. [13:42] So i do not understand... is there a crtl -c type command i dont know about [13:42] AEnima1577, i'd suggest making a bootable usb drive and repair your install [13:42] this hardware is so old,. it doesnt support booting from usb [13:43] oh so in sources is every slackbuild? [13:43] every single one? [13:43] except the ones that were hand built in x86 asm [13:44] :) [13:44] NTU, yep [13:44] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [13:45] GooseYArd: you're funny. [13:45] AEnima1577: put that hard back to other laptop, fix the grub, then take it out, put it back in to old lap, maybe that will work [13:45] no i'm an ass [13:45] i have had some issues with my touchpad that led me to recompile the kernel with a specific patch to solve the issue. i took the opportunity to look closely into it and disable the support for features that my computer didnt have. however, i am now unable to get my firewire hdd (it's an enclosure) to be recognized by the new kernel. i guess i need to add some low level scsi driver or something alike. the problem is, i don't know how to find [13:45] the information about the driver i need. i am currently using the generic kernel (for which the device is properly recognized). is there any command i can issue in order to get this information? [13:46] i'd try to help you but i fell asleep reading your post [13:46] xd [13:46] :\ [13:46] Skywise: haha [13:47] in short, i need to know how to know which driver is being used by a specific device. [13:47] Would lsmod (when the drive is recognizes) show what driver is loaded? [13:47] teckan: how'd you go about making a new kernel? [13:47] lspci -vv should [13:47] GooseYArd: touchpad :D [13:47] pupit: hehe [13:48] how long would one expect it to take to build KDE(4.4.0)? in very general terms...using a 2.26Ghz core2 duo processor with 4GB of ddr3 ram [13:48] should i expect it to complete overnight? am i under- or over-estimating the scale? [13:48] Ooo, lspci says my raid (mirror) is detected, yet it still shows the two drives individually [13:48] a few hours [13:49] Assuming the build doesn't die anywhere [13:49] zaltekk: you using the slackbuild script or no? [13:49] teckan (~teckan@p5B0CBB9C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:49] GooseYArd: i would like to. [13:49] i want to try kde 4.4 [13:49] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [13:49] for the extra window management features in kwin [13:49] good was going to remind you to use make -j [13:50] but the script does [13:50] right [13:50] im constantly forgetting that and then wondering why the kernel source has been building for 20 minutes [13:50] Wiseguy (wiseguy@default-ip-gblx.shellfusion.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:50] you guys... scared him away [13:50] does anyone know from experience that the slackbuild(from, say slackware64-current) builds kde4.4 successfully? [13:50] Wiseguy (wiseguy@206.53.49.137) joined ##slackware. [13:51] zaltekk: how do you think alienBOB made the packages? [13:51] NaCl: i didn't know he did. [13:51] maybe i should check his site instead of building it myself [13:51] zaltekk: you need some build dependencies [13:51] http://alien.slackbook.org/ktown/4.4.0/ [13:51] why is everybody talking about -current? -13 is what im on (heavily modified) but its great. maintain everything myself [13:51] yah he has builds [13:51] The_ManU_212 (~manu@port-92-200-8-156.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [13:51] hi [13:51] ok, good idea pupit [13:51] NTU: im too lazy [13:51] zaltekk: install all of the dependencies. Something will blow up otherwise [13:51] someone knows the intel_ich module? [13:51] hi The_ManU_212 [13:51] ic ant find it but i need it for my soundcard [13:52] NTU: i am running -13 too. but i thought i might use the latest script [13:52] Wiseguy (wiseguy@206.53.49.137) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:52] slava_dp (~slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] zaltekk: those packages are for -current [13:52] The_ManU_212: its in the kernel [13:52] Wiseguy (wiseguy@default-ip-gblx.shellfusion.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] under ATA/PATA devices [13:53] or just search like a sane person [13:53] ah. well, i'm not sure that i want to upgrade my entire system. [13:53] and look for intel_sch [13:53] hey manu did you figure out your shutdown problem? [13:53] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.106.22) joined ##slackware. [13:53] zaltekk: if you decide to do -current be sure to read the warnings about sda/hda and libata [13:54] thats bit a lot of people and its a pain to fix if you arent careful [13:54] other than that -current has been really smooth for me since 13 [13:54] smooth like whisky or whiskey? [13:54] santori wheeskey! [13:54] whiskey isn't smooth, but whisky could be ;p [13:55] NTU why is it called intel_sch and not ich? [13:55] NTU: http://hardware4linux.info/module/Intel_ICH/ [13:55] Action: NTU looks at the kernel config himself [13:56] give me a sec [13:56] ok found it [13:56] CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX [13:56] ? [13:56] its intel ich [13:57] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [13:57] straight from make menuconfig "This device adds explicit support for Intel PIIX and ICH chips." [13:58] *driver [13:59] its in ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL Support (DEPRECIATED) ok? [13:59] is there not suppose to be an UPGRADING.TXT in slackware64-current? [13:59] probably not since theres nothing to upgrade from in '64 13.0 [14:00] No, there is [14:00] Quite a lot of it, mind you. [14:00] The_ManU_212: can I get a "Thanks for spoon feeding me!" ? [14:01] i was thinking there was a file that explained the steps of upgrading glibc SOs, upgrading packages, then installing new packages [14:01] but i am not seeing it on the mirror [14:01] how well will slackware work on a 10GB hard drive partition? [14:01] UPGRADE, not UPGRADING [14:01] zaltekk: ^ [14:01] Oh, that's wrong [14:01] NaCl: let me upgrade you [14:01] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:02] coolkehon: works fine. You could isntall everything and the kitchen sink in less space than that [14:03] can i watch porn on slackware? [14:03] NaCl: it appears that UPGRADE.TXT exists in slackware-current and slackware-13.0, but not slackware64-current or slackware64-13.0 [14:03] They are more or less equivalent [14:03] upgrade denied, insufficient ram... you need 16 gigs :P [14:03] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:03] lol i only have 2.5 Gigs [14:04] of mega slow cheap ass DDR2 [14:04] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Changing host [14:04] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) joined ##slackware. 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[14:04] how well will slackware work on a 1GHz cpu and 256MB of ram? ps: prev was a joke [14:04] I noticed [14:04] ^^ [14:05] coolkehon: I have a similar box, works well, I use fluxbox on it [14:05] well, i guess i'll give it a try. hopefully i'll be back here soon :) [14:05] new question: well i have a laptop with 2GB of ram with 10GB hard drive. can i install slackware with kde, xfce, and fluxbox (to try out) [14:06] there should be a 'Can I run slackware' website [14:06] I think that the installer claims that it uses ~4.6GB for the standard "everything" minus KDEI [14:06] no, there shouldn't [14:06] no, there shouldn't [14:08] -.- [14:08] how can is top this autorejoin problem with xchat [14:08] zaltekk: 3.5GB iirc [14:08] coolkehon: I'm running slackware-current on Plll 667 with 256 MB RAM, and fluxbox. it runs well [14:09] great [14:09] ouch! [14:09] P3? new trier runs that [14:09] !hcuo [14:09] here's the source of the website telling you if you can run slackware: "yes you can" :-) [14:09] mpp (~mpp@psychedelic.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:09] http://slackware.com/install/sysreq.php <-- should answer the question of "can I run slakcware" [14:09] err, if your *computer* can... [14:09] boot up, then you can run slack [14:10] HEY GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IM GOING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ILL TTYL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE YOU ALL! BIG KISS! WITH LOVE, YOURS TRUELY! [14:10] NTU (~neo@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:10] cooties!!! [14:10] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:10] jeebus. [14:10] Action: NaCl raises an eyebrow [14:10] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:10] I think NTU and GooseYArd are brothers, or something. [14:11] what "jeebus" mean, btw [14:11] ? [14:11] coolkehon: the Plll is not my main work station, just a secondary box. my main desktop runs slackware 13.0 with xfce [14:11] brbrbr: it's an expression that generally denotes disapproval of one's attitude or actions. [14:11] plll? pill? [14:11] P3 [14:12] pentium 3 [14:12] depend workload. some PIII's was perform dramatically better than early PIV. same about PII [14:12] break19: urbandictionnary.com, for all your slang questions [14:12] oh [14:12] piii != plll, *grumbles* [14:12] thumbs but what it mean literally ? i mean, what cultural context it have ? sorry if im anoying, im kinda amateur sociologist [14:13] It's a euphemism [14:13] plll? [14:13] brbrbr: literally? Wow, NTU is obnoxious. [14:13] oh [14:13] :P [14:13] brbrbr: its a spelled mispronunciation of jesus, simpson's style.. [14:13] brbrbr: annoying, etc. [14:13] tnx alot. tnx 4 explanation [14:14] fosforo_1 (~fosforo@187.15.1.97) joined ##slackware. [14:14] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.43.151) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [14:15] jebus [14:16] ? [14:17] Ach [14:17] tung? [14:18] I think I know why NTU's gibberish looked so familiar... I think he is Neo_The_User from last year [14:18] the same grub thing came up in the orginal computer i installed the os to the HD on [14:18] alienBOB: aha! [14:18] I banned him from ##slackware [14:18] I run Slackware 13.0 on a PIII, but is has 1G or RAM and no X :) [14:18] alienBOB: yes, that sounds familiar. [14:19] niels__horn: I run 13.0 on a P3 too, and only 512 MB of RAM, and I DO run xorg :) [14:19] Stupid little git, he was 15 at the time or so, and thought he knew how Slackware should be developed properly [14:19] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-94-83.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:19] niels__horn: nice. I don't use my plll for anything intensive, just check mail ,some surfing and shisen-sho:) [14:20] alienBOB: yep. Same arrogant twat. [14:21] zaltekk: the reason why there isn't an UPGRADE.TXT in slackware64-* is that slackware64 began at 13.0 [14:21] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.54.23) joined ##slackware. [14:21] NaCl: and -current doesn't get a new UPGRADE.TXT for upgrading to -current...makes sense [14:22] fosforo_1 (~fosforo@187.15.1.97) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:22] thumbs, hitest: Mine runs iptables, httpd, php, mysql, nagios & cacti (and I'm probably forgetting about something...) [14:23] niels__horn: pureftpd, apache httpd, mysqld, bind (caching), git, and it's my desktop! [14:23] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [14:24] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*dindin@*unaffiliated/toytoy' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [14:24] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [14:24] thumbs: I think memory makes the difference... Less swapping... No need for GHz CPUs for these tasks. My P3 is a 600MHz [14:24] Hebram (~Hebram@mail.ericcostello.com) joined ##slackware. [14:25] niels__horn: yes, once I hit the swap, I hurt :) [14:26] TheNexT (thenext@c-68-81-156-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [14:26] thumbs: That's why I filled it up to the maximum 1GB that the motherboard accepted (and I had the memory) [14:26] PatoFeo (~patofeo@190.246.192.6) joined ##slackware. [14:26] niels__horn: when I put 1 GB on my mobo, the kernel crashes. [14:26] hi. [14:27] niels__horn: tried to flash the bios, put 1x1GB, or 2x512MB, or 3x256MB. Same deal. [14:27] niels__horn: I think those old mobo's are just limited. [14:27] Now my wife wants me to build a newer (=faster) computer for her, so I might keep her old one as a server. It's a P4 2MHz, also 1GB of RAM. Or I'll just keep it as a spare desktop :) [14:27] niels__horn: 2MHz? Nice. [14:28] thumbs: that's bad... Mine has 4x 256MB...It's an ASUS board, no problems with it [14:28] niels__horn: asus here too. Only three slots, which is probably the different. [14:28] thumbs: hehehe.... that's 2 GHz :) [14:28] s/different/difference/ [14:28] i turned my old desktop(Athlon64 3000+/2GB DDR2) into a server when I got my laptop [14:29] i keep KDE installed on it and actualy use it as a desktop still at times [14:29] thumbs: Yeah, probably.... No idea what model it is... [14:29] nvision (~nvision@e179130245.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:29] hubfs, 3hs and my kernel continue compiling. [14:29] http://www.advogato.org/person/mbanck/diary.html?start=48 [14:30] I still keep an old broken laptop with 24MB of RAM running Slack 4.0, an old 486-33MHz :) [14:30] But just to show off :D [14:30] niels__horn: dmidecode | head [14:31] niels__horn: ASUS CUSL2-LS ACPI BIOS Revision 1014 Beta 001 [14:31] I wish I still had my IBM Thinkpad from 2000ish. was a great little box. [14:31] break19: im a thinkpad fanboy [14:31] niels__horn: very cool, what can you runon slack 4.0? [14:31] my girlfriend has a thinkpad that is about 4 years old [14:31] run on [14:31] break19: that's the vintage of mine, an A20M [14:31] runs windows7 on it, though [14:32] zaltekk: thats what ive got on this one as well [14:32] NyteOwl: thats what I had, sold it for 350 on ebay about 3 years ago. [14:32] have been using the T series ones for a while [14:32] T60, but not sure which revision [14:32] thumbs: It's not on-line now... And I'm too lazy to go to the bedroom and switch it on ;) [14:32] it has a Core2 solo and 2GB of ddr2 [14:32] break19: I just put a new 80GB HD in mine. use it daily :) Only thing is I wish the sceren was a bit bigger [14:33] I'm in love with my T61p [14:33] I got a new T410 with the new i7, it is a monster [14:33] Hebram: huge fan [14:33] But it's not the CUSL series... I had one of those as well, but that one gave me headaches... [14:33] niels__horn: fair enough. [14:33] Hebram: i can never have one without a fingerprint reader again :) [14:33] NyteOwl: it is crazy when i actually use it. i think it has a 14.5" screen. my laptop has a 17" 1920x1200 screen that i have gotten very attached too [14:33] NyteOwl: I paid 22k for mine, of course the place I got it from threw in a free associate's degree.. [14:33] niels__horn: you tell me! It's unstable with > 512 MB of RAM [14:33] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:33] GooseYArd: Hehe [14:34] bbiab [14:34] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:34] PatoFeo (~patofeo@190.246.192.6) left irc: Quit: changing servers [14:34] mfillpot (mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:34] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:34] thumbs: this CUSL board was horrible.... I crashed all the time. And yes, it had >512MB :( [14:34] im going to try to finagle a W700 this year [14:35] surprisingly enough my laptop has more power than any desktop computer i've ever owned [14:35] niels__horn: so it's not just me, after all. I feel better. [14:35] thumbs: Actually, I think I still have it one somewhere... But as it was so unreliable, it was decommissioned :) [14:35] niels__horn: I'll get a dualcore to replace it, or maybe quad code. [14:36] I *think* my wife's board is a P3V800 or something like that. Proudly running Slackware 13.0 [14:37] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:37] thumbs: I'm thinking of buying a quad-core and passing my box to my wife ;) Mine is dual-core 3GHz. Should be good enough for her [14:37] niels__horn: you THINK? Jeez. he. [14:37] niels__horn: dual core @ 3Ghz isn't good enough for you? lol [14:37] niels__horn: a single core is fast enough. [14:37] Nick change: The_ManU_212 -> The_ManU_212_afk [14:37] quad core well let you idle 4x as fast now [14:38] i think my laptop's specs are crazy, and it just has a 2.26Ghz core2 duo [14:38] slackaholic (1000@187.69.87.95) joined ##slackware. [14:38] raph0x88__ (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:38] zaltekk: I run several emulators at the same time, like armedslack under Qemu, Hercules (IBM Mainframe emulator) and so on [14:38] actually, i'm buying quad because i only upgrade every 10 years and i hope that someone will figure out that to do with the extra 3 by then [14:39] lol [14:39] niels__horn: interesting. I tend to run a VirtualBox of Windows XP for some development tasks, but just Slackware dualbooting with Windows7(for gaming) other than that [14:39] And I do a lot of compiling, but I have distcc set up now... With four boxes helping me compile :) [14:39] yeah plus if one goes bad, you've got three spares, right? [14:39] GooseYArd: hehehe... [14:39] 64bit flash can tax 4 cores quite well [14:39] :) [14:40] i dont think i could go back to less than four after using one for a while [14:40] only if you run 4 processes [14:40] flash taxes anything it runs on [14:40] Yes, it does. [14:40] It also eats ram like it's no tomorrow [14:40] it taxes my patience [14:40] routinely [14:40] it is no tomorrow [14:40] but if you want a pretty good stability test, try flam3-render from xap/electricsheep [14:40] jonsmith1982 (~jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:41] *there is no tomorrow [14:41] nvision (~nvision@e179130245.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:41] Intel Core2 Duo 2.26GHz CPU, 3 GB DDR3 RAM, nVidia GeForce 9800M GTS with 1 GB DDR3. bought it a year ago for around $1,500 including accessories and a 3-year damage warrenty, and luckily haven't found any games that don't run on it(despite it being a laptop) [14:41] FRSoldier (frsoldier@93.94.25.110) joined ##slackware. [14:41] it's been more efficient in finding an cpu voltage drop problem than hours of gcc, x264, xz, gzip, bzip2, qemu(-kvm)... [14:41] Camarade_Tux: sugggested parameters? [14:42] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [14:42] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [14:42] Or some test files? [14:43] alkos333 (~alkos333@adsl-75-56-63-160.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] NaCl: have X and ocaml and lablgtk (or I can give slackware64 binaries)? it's a bit annoying to run (not self-explanatory) but I just completed a GUI for it (that's how I found I shouldn't have decreased the voltage that much) [14:43] NaCl: if you don't, I'm going to put up a small script [14:43] ech (~meow@unaffiliated/echoes) left irc: Quit: . [14:43] Camarade_Tux: I can build them [14:43] Is this for the flam3 gui? [14:44] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [14:44] NaCl: yup, mine ;-) [14:45] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@unaffiliated/toytoy expired. [14:45] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@unaffiliated/toytoy' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:45] i'd really like a game that can take advantage of multicores and gpus with multiplayer [14:45] Camarade_Tux: don't like Apophysis? [14:45] actually, it should be possible to run electricsheep through screensaveers but well, when I tried to run xscreensaver, flam3-render kicked in and ate my cpu and froze xscreensaver [14:45] NaCl: I like to have the images made randomly ;-) [14:46] NaCl: http://pers.yaxm.org/flames/jpg/ :-) [14:46] bob is still my fav screen saver [14:46] well, that and the soccer balls [14:46] going to upload more on tomorrow [14:46] NaCl: or I can give you a binary with no dep [14:46] the yellow soccer balls looked great at night across the room [14:47] i think it was called bounce [14:47] Nick change: The_ManU_212_afk -> The_ManU_212 [14:47] Camarade_Tux: ocaml is almost done here. [14:47] i liked xearth too [14:48] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:48] it never did get the real time cloud cover going tho [14:48] has someone been updating that? [14:48] slackaholic (1000@187.69.87.95) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [14:48] it gets picked up and dropped [14:49] but it still gets earthquake data [14:50] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:50] madbear (~dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:50] Camarade_Tux: have everything, link me [14:50] http://hewgill.com/xearth/original/ [14:50] And how much CPU does this thing eat? Can I leave out some CPUs so I can actually do my work? :P [14:51] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@unaffiliated/t0yt0y expired. [14:51] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@unaffiliated/t0yt0y' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:51] NaCl: on my quad-core, it takes 400% =) [14:51] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-420457.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:51] xmountains is my favorite [14:51] I sort of need to have some CPU left. [14:51] Action: NaCl is writing a ray tracer [14:51] dpms force off is mine [14:52] madbear (~dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [14:52] you need to get an aux pc just for your screensaver [14:52] NaCl: http://pers.yaxm.org/temp/flamel.tar.xz <- looks like it's missing its parent folder (bad git-archive!) so: mkdir flamel, cd flamel, untar, and mkdir e && ./me.sh [14:52] now, ./flamel 3 [14:53] it'll make 3 high-res low-quality flames and display them, you can select a flame and press "del" to remove it, when you press "go", it will start high-quality rendering [14:53] and then what happens [14:53] Hm Maybe this is an excuse to learn ocaml [14:53] heheh :P [14:54] Camarade_Tux: thanks, I'll take a look at it when I am not trying to figure out linear algebra stuff [14:54] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:54] linear is easy [14:54] but this code is a bit rough: wouldn't advise it for a beginner as most of the code is for the interface [14:54] NaCl: have you worked with any other functional languages? [14:55] No. [14:55] NaCl: have fun with linear algebra ;-) [14:55] joannis (~joannis@adsl-dyn3.78-99-204.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [14:55] Found my problem. [14:55] you know i like writing code for povray by hand [14:55] ive been studying haskell, i enjoy it but I haven't found a good problem to work on yet [14:55] Some vector wasn't normalized. [14:55] movray is a good interface but its klunky [14:56] GooseYArd, i think thats the same dilemna for everyone [14:56] Skywise: I am literally writing a rudamentary ray tracer. [14:56] For class. [14:56] NaCl: which language? [14:57] C++ [14:57] isn't povray open source? [14:57] NaCl: http://www.ffconsultancy.com/languages/ray_tracer/index.html ;p [14:57] Because that was what was given to us [14:57] Skywise: i had a small project come up at work but i think it would havent taken a little too long, and i think the girl who's going to inherit the project would probably be annoyed at me [14:57] i would be annoyed at me [14:58] a student with balls would hand in a solution in Python. when asked why he didn't use C--, "because it sucks" [14:58] one thing i've always like about way linux and x worked is that the x apps were usually a front end for the cli [14:59] NaCl: btw, earlier this week, I was fixing some code which computes the position on the Hilbert Curve ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert_curve ) of a point in a 2D-plane, had to use rotation matrices (and the code is surprisingly short) [14:59] (and fast) [14:59] adaptr: probably not for a ray tracer tho :) [14:59] so the 2 issues of managing a technology and presenting info to the user were segregated [14:59] Camarade_Tux: yeah, there were many instances of "do stuff with this type" [14:59] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) joined ##slackware. [14:59] GooseYArd: if you solve raytracing in the traditional domain your memory soon balloons out of orbit. [15:00] My classes generally focus on imparative and object-oriented language [15:00] adaptr: know haskell and lazyness in programming languages? [15:00] velex (~tsubasa@97-92-45-193.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:00] i got into engineering because i'm lazy [15:00] ahah [15:01] a subject dear to my heart [15:01] porn ? [15:01] thats how i got out of sysadmin work and into engineering [15:01] what better motivation to save effort and resources [15:01] lazyness is that you only compute things when you need them: order of evaluation is different than order of the code [15:01] Camarade_Tux: the "progress bar" for the ray tracer commands is just the prompt moving back and forth [15:01] NaCl: can't give any ETA? [15:01] how do i force a check on a drive? [15:02] is it mounted? [15:02] I just deleted stuff with transmission but slackware doesn't recognize the space I just cleared up [15:02] yes [15:02] Camarade_Tux: I could probably rig it to give a progress bar, but the thing is that once it is optimized, the predictions become overestimated. [15:03] nvm..i guess it just took it some time to refresh or something [15:03] i dont know anything about transmission [15:03] you can usually run sync to check that kind of thing tho [15:03] okay thanks [15:03] NaCl: estimating remaining time is hard, better not do it if you don't have lots of time [15:03] ok, need to run, bbl :-) [15:03] I don't. :P [15:04] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:05] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:05] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [15:07] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:08] slackaholic (1000@187-25-166-94.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:09] chowder (~ubuntu@c-98-211-211-147.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] anyone know a quick & simple command to replace the last line in a text file? I *know* I did this with sed once, but cannot find it :-/ [15:09] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:10] I need this in a shell script... [15:10] Hebram (~Hebram@mail.ericcostello.com) left irc: Read error: No route to host [15:11] only last one? [15:11] Hebram (~Hebram@mail.ericcostello.com) joined ##slackware. [15:13] do you mean overwrite the last line or append to the end [15:13] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] it's niels__horn asking...it's got to be overwrite :P [15:14] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-94-83.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:14] I have a fresh install of slackware on my HDD. Swap at (hd0,0), root at (hd0,1) and home at (hd0,2). I tried using an Ubuntu live CD to install grub but to no avail. I used the grub shell and did the following commands: root (hd0,1) followed by setup (hd0). Is this right? [15:14] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] couldn't you do it with patch? [15:14] niels__horn: do you know how many lines the file will be? [15:14] pprkut: yes, overwrite, something like sed "$d" + append [15:14] Why would you install grub for Slackware with Ubuntu? [15:15] jkwood: isn't it the same grub? [15:15] what makes you think that question can be logically answered [15:15] ugh no...it's still acting funky [15:15] XGizzmo: I can count them, with wc -l, that's what I do now :) [15:16] size: 29.6GB Volume 33GB Free Space: 0B wtf? [15:16] Is my computer just bad at math? LOL [15:16] 3.4 GB is probably reserved for FS information [15:16] well I just deleted about a Gigiabyte of information and it didn't clear up any space [15:17] also....3.4GB just for FS info? Is ext3 that damn inefficient? [15:17] MadneX (~MadneX@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:17] Theoretically, yes. However, Slackware has a pretty strict "Don't mess with it" policy, whereas Ubuntu has more of a "We know better than the original authors of the software" policy when it comes to changes. [15:17] Skywise: I could do it with patch, I guess... But I know there is a sed command I cannot figure out :) [15:17] EuroTrash: how did you delete the stuff? [15:17] Euthanatos: that was probably a bad guess [15:18] XGizzmo_: tab fail. :P [15:18] i tried sync...even as root [15:18] hell [15:18] jkwood: so how would you suggest that I go about installing grub on slackware? [15:18] install lilo [15:18] I prefer grub [15:18] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: there is an evil daystar out there, it hurts my eyes :( [15:18] I use grub [15:18] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:18] The_ManU_212 (~manu@port-92-200-8-156.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:18] I umounted and remounted it....i even reboot [15:19] Grub should be in /extra. [15:19] It is not the same grub in ubuntu [15:19] would I be able to install grub using the slackware cd? [15:19] nothing is the same in ubuntu [15:21] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:21] there is something funny about it, even if booting works with lilo fine, grub people tend to install grub.. [15:22] Wiseguy (wiseguy@default-ip-gblx.shellfusion.net) left irc: Quit: changing servers [15:22] Action: pupit I'll probably google lilo vs grub.. [15:23] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:24] i do believe grub is considered to be the way of the future [15:25] Here is a HOWTO I found on installing GRUB. Good luck. http://bit.ly/9qLFeK [15:25] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [15:25] Action: NyteOwl doesn't want slimy worm like critters on his computer [15:25] how do i set crontab as alarm? i want it to play an mp3 [15:26] crontab -e is empty [15:26] Hebram: thanks [15:26] mohaa (~nome@92.49.72.24) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [15:26] chowder: Welcome. [15:27] Wasn't there something about grub not working on 64bits? [15:27] Azeotrope: check /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ [15:27] hello [15:27] BP{k}: Could be since GRUB Legacy is no longer being developed. [15:27] there is file like your login [15:27] LnxSlck (1000@92.250.50.140) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:28] Wiseguy (wiseguy@default-ip-gblx.shellfusion.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] bah, in case grub will indeed by the future, someone will step up and write lilo2 [15:28] Azeotrope: man crontab [15:28] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:28] google help you how to set up [15:29] too bad man crontab *still* has an epic typo [15:30] BP{k}: Found this on installing GRUB in x64. http://bit.ly/cXFiwQ [15:30] if i do a Switch user i can't get the login text/window [15:31] how can i switch users and save both sessions? [15:32] mohaa (~nome@92.49.74.170) joined ##slackware. [15:32] There ya go BP{k} install a complete multilib system for a boot loader. :P [15:32] lol [15:32] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [15:33] Greetings Earhlings! [15:34] XGizzmo: heh, I'll stick with lilo ta very muchly :P [15:34] another lilo vs grub match? and I missed it??? dang. [15:34] farhat (~farhat@41.99.112.142) joined ##slackware. [15:34] adamk_ (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [15:34] adamk_ (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:34] grub2 compiles on 64bit now [15:35] did wine ever go 64bit yet? [15:35] I'm already writing lilo2. [15:35] :) [15:35] So far, I'm up to the i. [15:35] lol [15:35] haha [15:35] Cann0n: You can compile wine as 64-bit, but it will only run 64-bit Windows programs if you do. [15:36] jkwood: dang... would 32bit wine work on a 64bit machine with 32bit windows programs? [15:36] I'm still new to 64bit. [15:36] If you have the 32-bit libraries. [15:36] dang... that's a lot of work. [15:37] i have zero 32bit libs right now. [15:37] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] That's ok, I'll just havet o import fruitloops friends to lmms [15:38] that's the only reason I want wine... is for pirated audio software [15:38] escaflown (elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [15:38] velex (~tsubasa@97-92-45-193.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: Glory with the Moon. Mercy on the Earth. [15:38] guitarman (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:38] guitarman (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:38] dive: you up yet? [15:39] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] edman007: you around? [15:41] yea... [15:42] want to move to say pm as this is a hardware question [15:42] ? [15:42] k [15:43] moh2a (~nome@92.49.76.125) joined ##slackware. [15:46] hi [15:46] hi [15:47] mohaa (~nome@92.49.74.170) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [15:47] wish is bast distro slckware based use gnome ? sorry for my languge [15:48] farhat: ther are a couple of Gnome packages intended for use with Slackware but they aren't part of the official distro. Dropline and GSB are two [15:48] I know Dropline & GSB [15:49] but i need distro out of the box [15:49] Can I lose HD space because of storing large files on small hard drives? [15:50] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [15:50] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-48-112.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:50] maybe consider Arch ? it is Slack like [15:50] like a 10gb and a 17gb file on a 33gb hard drive with a bunch of smaller files... [15:50] Euthanatos: if you fill up a hard drive, you fill uip a hard drive? [15:50] s/uip/up [15:51] I would think so [15:51] I see slackware is bast than archlinux [15:51] but I delete shit and don't get any free space =( [15:51] size: 29.6GB Volume 33GB Free Space: 0B wtf? [15:51] he default block size is 1K so you wouldn't lsoe much. deleting files will release drive space. if it doesn't you have a problem [15:51] farhat: slackware is THE best. nothing comes close, unless it's slackware based, in which in will always be second or less. [15:52] moh2a (~nome@92.49.76.125) left irc: Quit: Thanks for the fish [15:52] I gather that I have a problem. I'm trying to figure out what that problem would be so i can look for some solutions but I'm kind of at a loss on what to look for [15:52] i tried etfsck [15:52] Euthanatos: can't always go by what's in writing. I've never owned a hard drive that came with the actual size it says on the top of the HD [15:52] e2fsck* [15:53] no it's a 37GB actual of a 40GB hard drive with 3 smaller partitions, the one I'm using is rouhgly 33Gb partition [15:53] I have 29 Gigabytes filled [15:53] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E481E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:53] i dslike to take some days to make slackware out of the box system :( [15:54] i Had 30 and deleted a gigabyte worth of data and it didn't free up any space [15:54] root reserve. [15:54] Euthanatos: how did you delete it? [15:54] I know slackware THE best , I am use it [15:54] did it stick it in your Trash bin? [15:54] I told transmission to delete the file [15:54] check the tmp dir for transmission. [15:55] yeah [15:55] i have a gigabyte in the trash [15:55] whats the sive of your /tmp? [15:55] that tells me where the files i deleted are [15:55] s/sive/size [15:55] then empty the trash [15:55] Once, I ran out of space... my /tmp was over 20gigs [15:56] but seriously? 3 Gigabytes for a 'root reserve'? It's not even a system disk [15:57] Euthanatos: just check your /tmp [15:57] later dudes [15:57] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:57] -m Set the percentage of the filesystem which may only be allocated by privileged processes. Reserving some number of filesystem blocks for use by privileged processes is done to avoid filesystem fragmentation, and to allow system daemons, such as syslogd(8), to continue to function correctly after non-privileged processes are prevented from writing to the filesystem. Normally, the default percentage of reserved blocks is 5%. [15:58] If you don't like that, change the setting [15:58] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:58] willy_ (~willy@98.41.148.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [15:58] mohaa (~nome@92.49.76.125) joined ##slackware. [15:58] there is no /tmp on this drive [15:58] ugh I cna't wait till i get a new HD =P [15:59] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:59] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:00] ho have any idea to late nvidia run fast in slackware ? [16:01] Nick change: dErFz -> derfz [16:01] Install the nvidia drivers and it will do whatever you want [16:01] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-179-231.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:02] Nick change: derfz -> dErFz [16:02] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [16:02] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [16:03] antiwire, but I see opensuse , sabayon (what I use now) is fast and smooth [16:03] ok? [16:03] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-60-66.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [16:04] I have a Quadro NVS135M in my laptop and it runs perfectly fine. [16:04] antiwire, so whay slackware it not fast and smooth like ...... ? [16:04] I just said, it runs fine. [16:05] I don't know what you've done to your system, or what you haven't done to it, but if you have the correct drivers installed it should be fine. [16:05] it run fine. but it is not faster than [16:05] ... [16:06] ... than sabayon , slackware . [16:06] I don't know where this is going but I have no issues with the smoothness or speed of my nvidia graphics [16:06] see sabayon > opensuse > slackware > fedora [16:06] ok whatever [16:07] i guess we should take down this channel now [16:08] just fart in his general direction and get it over with [16:09] If you're talking about KDE, it will run like a dog if you don't have 3d acceleration, which you get by installing the drivers. [16:09] farhat: First, You have yet to clearly define what your issue is; "is faster" and "is smoother" doesn't mean shit to us. Second, What are you comparing? Comparing each of the distributions you have listed is not a straight forward concept. What have you installed in each distribution? Do you even know which drivers each distribution is using? Until you can answer all of these questions, your "is faster" bullshit doesn't mean anything to us. [16:11] So if you really think there is some problem with Slackware it would help us help you if you could tell us wtf you are really doing. [16:11] I am use 190.53 driver [16:12] XFCE is 'faster' than gnome =P [16:13] getty is faster than xfce [16:13] that will change when gnome is rewritten entirely in mono [16:14] gnome is faster than kde [16:14] and all others than gnome [16:14] lies [16:14] that simple :) [16:14] that will also change then [16:14] antiwire, i have not a good languge , otherwise tell you all thing happen with me [16:14] flames comes faster than discussions, religion wars aswell [16:15] sahk0: is that you speaking or a fact? about gnome going to be rewriten in mono at a later time? [16:15] seems possible.. half of it is in fact mono but its a lame move.. [16:15] yeah my point was to point out the irony of comparing attributes which aren't revelant to a given thing [16:16] from faster : openbox > lxde > xfce > gnome > kde [16:16] Drakevr: i said the same thing about mc 2 weeks ago and a couple of days ago i saw a blog post by de icaza saying exactly what i had predicted. he wrote mc in mono. so i wouldnt be surprised :p [16:16] this is some sort of troll attempt [16:16] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [16:16] Ha! To answer my own question of about an hour ago (substituting the last line in a file) [16:17] niels__horn: man sed [16:17] --> sed '$cNew text' [16:17] ... [16:17] john_dee (~id@95-29-13-106.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:17] break19: Thanks, I'll do that ;) [16:17] niels__horn: :p [16:19] I knew it was something simple, but couldn't find it. The man page is very simple, and the info file is too long :) [16:20] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [16:20] niels__horn: indeed [16:20] slackaholic (1000@187-25-166-94.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:21] Nick change: break19 -> break19_makingro [16:21] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:21] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [16:21] break19_makingro (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: chaching [16:22] shadowx (~7350@singularity.darknetx.eu) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:22] break19: What did the man sed? [16:22] man sed he done got no money and sed his woman works da coe nuh [16:23] trying to patch grub so that it supports ext4. I've got the .diff file and I know which file I need to patch but I'm getting an error. I did a patch --dry-run fsys_ext2fs.c ext4-support.diff and got this: 2 out of 19 hunks FAILED [16:23] am I doing something incorrectly? [16:23] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-125-81-214.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:23] yea, using grub [16:24] I prefer using grub [16:24] to lilo? [16:24] I'm just used to using grub [16:24] grub is for people who run hurd ;) [16:24] Gentlemen prefer blondes. [16:24] chowder: it's just that people get stuck in their ways. [16:24] I'm used to using Slackware [16:24] niels__horn: I hurd about that. Isn't that the gnu-fangled kernel? [16:24] Most of my friends use Ubuntu and yell at me [16:25] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [16:25] jkwood: yeah, something like that :) [16:25] I've used a variety of distros. I just want to get slackware up and running so I can get some work done [16:25] e01 (OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left ##slackware. [16:25] I hurd Duke Gnukem Fornever runs on it. [16:25] lol jkwood [16:25] I remember there was a Debian flavor for hurd, believe it or not... [16:25] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [16:26] niels__horn: that'd be Debian GNU/HURD [16:26] chowder: yep... [16:26] Oh, GNU/Stallman, you wacky, wacky GNU/NURD [16:27] Is that project still alive?? [16:28] so anyone know what I'm doing wrong when I try to patch a file like this: patch --dry-run fsys_ext2fs.c ext4-support.diff because it gave me this error: 2 out of 19 hunks FAILED [16:28] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:28] I used Minix in the past, anyone remember the discussions about microkernels? :) Guess I'm getting old... [16:28] its still the next big thing! [16:28] It sounds like there are some code differences in those spots, chowder. [16:29] chowder: seems the patch file is not for that particular version of the source file? [16:29] niels__horn: I got it from the extras directory. I'm guessing that it is [16:29] mpp (mpp@psychedelic.pl) left ##slackware. [16:32] mohaa (~nome@92.49.76.125) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:32] chowder: werent you the one using Ubuntu's grub yesterday? [16:33] sahk0: yea but my Ubuntu partition is refusing to boot for whatever reason [16:33] so I just said screw it, backed up all my data, and went for the full slackware install [16:33] chowder: slackware's grub supports ext4. its patched [16:33] then why include the patch in the directory? seems redundant [16:34] are you using 64bit? [16:34] 32 [16:34] i486 extra/ has a grub package [16:34] install that [16:34] that's where I got it from [16:35] I believe the patch is included for completeness. [16:35] zcat $CWD/ext4-support.diff.gz | patch -p1 --backup --suffix=.orig || exit 1 [16:35] that's why it is included in the dir.... [16:35] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/extra/grub/ [16:35] GNU/HURD , just when ya think yer gettin somewhere GCC 4.4.3 breaks a bunch o shit . [16:35] what redundant patch?! [16:35] As opposed to "ZOMG good luck finding out what we did to your software, kthxbye!" [16:35] look at the stock build script for grub in slackware. the patch is included in the dir because the damn script uses it... [16:35] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [16:35] imagine that [16:35] Action: jkwood is not bitter, not bitter at all [16:36] FRSoldier (frsoldier@93.94.25.110) left irc: Quit: life is but a dream [16:36] the patch is included in the dir with the sources used to build the package [16:36] echo? [16:36] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [16:36] don't get mad, get even. [16:36] i type slowly on my netbook :p [16:36] chowder: why would you build grub if the package is there? [16:36] @echo off [16:36] did I mention I'm new to slackware? [16:36] lol [16:37] chowder: dont worry its just the hazing ritual [16:37] chowder: no worries [16:37] I like slackware's minimalism [16:38] I like Slackware's voyeurism. [16:38] so when I grab a package is there a specific directory I should store it in? [16:38] chowder: Then you'll love the buffet. Nothing but baby carrots. [16:38] chowder: Someplace you'll remember. [16:38] chowder: no, you can install it with installpkg [16:39] niels__horn: ok but where does installpkg look for packages? [16:39] . [16:39] does it search a specific dir? [16:39] man im being outsmarted by a childrens video game [16:39] The current one. [16:39] chowder: it takes a filename as an argument [16:39] so just wherever you tell it [16:39] i see [16:40] ok, cool [16:40] chowder: installpkg path_to_your_package [16:40] gaz- (~gaz@xvm-12-22.ghst.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:40] Or, for real amounts of fun, installpkg *.t?z [16:40] chowder: or pkgtool (maybe a bit more user-friendly) [16:42] got it [16:42] just put the package in my /tmp and used installpkg [16:42] gaz- (~gaz@xvm-12-22.ghst.net) joined ##slackware. [16:43] after I install it is it safe to delete the package? [16:43] entrope- (~b@d221-72-206.commercial.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:43] yup its just a tarball [16:43] Sure enough. [16:43] I noticed that the packages in /var/adm/packages are a bit different [16:44] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:44] it has all the packages used in the initial install [16:44] those are text files [16:44] ooh, like to keep track of what's installed? [16:44] chowder, yep [16:44] i see [16:44] I feel like I'm using FreeBSD again [16:44] /var/log/packages contains some of the same stuff. [16:45] slackware feels more BSD-ish [16:45] i like it [16:45] it's actually a link to /var/log though [16:45] i see [16:45] (useless info) [16:46] do you guys know where i can find info on how to make slack 13.0 (64) multilib ? [16:47] SigmaVirus24: google is your friend [16:47] google for alienbob multilib [16:47] alienBOB has made a pretty good howto [16:47] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ [16:47] You guys rock [16:47] Thanks [16:47] 'specially jkwood [16:48] Don't get used to it. Normally, I just spout nonsense. [16:48] BeZerk (~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:48] lol [16:48] he speaks in rot13 [16:48] oh, that would have made an awesome irssi script [16:49] all input results in rot13'ed output [16:49] freebse (~freebse@ip-109-84-146-163.web.vodafone.de) joined ##slackware. [16:49] that was built into ircii [16:49] er [16:49] yvxr guvf? [16:49] eheh [16:50] BeZerk (~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) joined ##slackware. [16:51] SigmaVirus24: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib is actually better to read [16:51] sarkoman (~sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [16:51] the alien has landed [16:52] has anyone else noticed their system tray looking weird in the KDE from slackware64-current? [16:52] it looks like the icons have a light blue highlight on them that stops before the edges of the tray. maybe i need to upload an image... [16:52] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: d ä_å b [16:53] sarkoman (~sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: Client Quit [16:53] sarkoman (~sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) joined ##slackware. [16:54] Thanks AlexElliott_ [16:54] * alienBOB [16:54] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] (stupid tabcomplete) [16:58] http://www.brownuniversal.com/kdetray.png [16:58] anyone else getting that? [17:00] zaltekk: that looks as if you're using a plasma theme that doesnt quite work with the version of kde. [17:00] change themes to the "Air" theme, see if it looks normal. if it does, then find an updated version of the theme you're currently using. [17:01] break19: i haven't changed the theme from the default...i think it said Oxygen though, not Air. let me double check [17:01] but.. kde changed their default.. so therefore, by not changing your theme, you are no longer using the default :) [17:03] but, that looks like a typical "upgrade from 4.2.x to 4.3.x" problem.. I had similar issues myself, and then again when I upgraded the dist I was using, to 4.4 [17:03] break19: Oxygen was the widget style, not theme. the theme is Air version 0.9 [17:03] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-127.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:03] the plasma theme changed ever-so-slightly.. and it was enough to make it look odd [17:03] janemba (~back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Quit: Changing server [17:03] interesting. thats not the air theme I have.... [17:04] my panel is grayish. not blue [17:04] i also noticed that in the task manager widget and the kickoff application launcher that the unselected items are really hard to read [17:04] it looks like gray on black [17:05] break19: is your theme version 0.9? [17:05] lolwut (~lolwut@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:06] mine is "Air" no version [17:06] right click desktop, select appearance, click the dropdown.. [17:06] it is listed as "Air", but on the right hand side of the desktop theme details window in system settings it says 0.9 [17:07] yes, mine is 0.9 [17:07] and my panel looks nothing like yours [17:07] change themes, apply, then change it back. something is not right with yours.. [17:08] yeah, that fixed it. i think that i forgot to click apply the first time i did that [17:09] it looked like i had a mixture of the old and new theme [17:09] yeppers [17:09] thanks for the help [17:09] np [17:09] now i might want to install alienBOB's package for 4.4 [17:09] it wont work on my system. :p [17:09] janemba (~back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] why is that? [17:10] FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE-p2 #0: Tue Jan 5 21:11:58 UTC 2010 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC [17:10] my uname -v output :) [17:10] oh, you mean that package rather than kde 4.4? [17:11] yea [17:11] janemba (~back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:12] hmm. this snap helper isn't as nice as i expected [17:12] it draws a nice grid for my windows when i am resizing them, but i can't snap them to the grib [17:12] *grid [17:12] janemba (~back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:59] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.209) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [18:02] TS1 (~will@208.69.211.196) joined ##slackware. [18:03] stunix (1000@85.19.141.194) left ##slackware. [18:03] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [18:03] Hey after I burn the slackware DVD and try to put it into my computer to install it before rebooting, it does not recognize the disk at all it just continues booting Debian, any way to fix this? [18:03] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [18:04] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:04] john_dee (~id@95-29-13-106.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [18:04] TS1: how did you burn the dvd? [18:04] stunix (1000@85.19.141.194) joined ##slackware. [18:04] TS1, bios setting perhaps? Or maybe you didn't burn it as an image. [18:04] .iso files need to be burned as disk images. [18:04] do yOu have the system set to boot from the optical drive first? [18:04] is the bios set to boot CD first? [18:04] and what dive said. [18:04] can anyone remind me which kernel options conflict with the nvidia binary driver? [18:04] Cann0n: I downloaded it via a torrent and then used a windows ISO image writer [18:05] ill check the bios does anyone know what tab its under [18:05] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:05] nvidia framebuffer [18:05] TS1, no that would depend on your bios [18:05] omfg [18:05] TS1: under boot options. [18:05] nice [18:05] lol NyteOwl [18:05] NyteOwl is nib [18:06] awesome, KDE 4.4 is running fine [18:06] nib? [18:06] nib nubbins is his real name [18:06] like marker nib? [18:06] I finally have my snap feature from Windows 7 so I am happy. [18:06] TS1: I figured you meant new in box. :P [18:06] lol [18:06] TS1 (~will@208.69.211.196) left irc: Client Quit [18:06] ... [18:06] was he insulting NyteOwl? [18:07] gee the troll odour just disappeared [18:07] Cann0n: trying [18:07] and failed. [18:07] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:07] Action: Cann0n face palms after thinking about "were is the boot priorities" [18:07] s/were/where [18:07] Action: pupit hammerzeit! [18:08] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:08] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:08] I wonder how he installed debian if he doesn't know how to boot a linux disc... just a thought. [18:08] slava_dp (~slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) left irc: Quit: ^D [18:08] maybe he press a key when it said 'press xxx for boot options' [18:09] lol tell him to type dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda [18:10] now now, lets not be destructive [18:10] even though I prefer /dev/urandom to /dev/null [18:10] LOL [18:14] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:15] no no. make it nondestructive but more annoying.. dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/console [18:16] lol [18:16] cat /boot/vmlinuz > /dev/dsp [18:18] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [18:19] nice [18:21] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:24] antiwire: the voice of G-D [18:24] does :(){:|:&};: still work? [18:25] |slackin| (~slackin@32.130.150.8) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [18:27] I had to google it. I kept wanting it to look like kirby [18:27] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: She talks to angels, says they call her out by name. [18:28] willy_ (~willy@98.41.148.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:28] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:31] Guest4867 (~testing@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [18:32] hi, how can i force the default slackware 13.0 kernal to mount a hfs + journalling FS so that it is writable? [18:33] man fstab [18:33] I don't think linux can write to hfs++, can it? [18:33] Cann0n, lame recommendation is lame [18:33] I do not think it can either. [18:34] my bad. i tried. [18:34] tar and feather him. [18:34] :> [18:34] again? I'm out of lava soap and brakes parts cleaner [18:35] perhaps i am tackling this the wrong way, i have an ipod that when i plug in to my box, and use the storage volume tool in kde to mount, it sees it as: hfs FS. how can i get gtkpod or amarok to play nice with my ipod.... [18:35] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.36) joined ##slackware. [18:36] ps, break parts cleaner will also clean toner off of plastic sheets Cann0n [18:36] I think that also depends on the ipod type / versoin :) [18:36] 5th gen video [18:36] Reconfigure the ipod for windows use. [18:36] 30G [18:36] it will work with gtkpod then [18:36] amarok used to use some weird sshfs type method to transfer stuff [18:36] antiwire, getting to winxp will be a royal pain. [18:36] Guest4867: and skateboard bearings [18:36] oh well [18:37] ok. will try. [18:37] after the 2gens started coming out, apple started to encrypt everything [18:38] I think all solutions are hack-ish at best, but maybe one will work :) [18:38] Guest4867: have you tried using an ipod app for linux? i never had any issues until amarok2 came out [18:38] but, you might be limited if it's jfs already [18:38] er, hfs [18:39] Ryzor (~King@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:39] lolwut (1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] no, i had problems with this for years. then i took it to a repair shopn and it's got a new HD in it. [18:40] i found http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/mounting-hfs-volumes-under-linux-521189/ [18:40] specifically mount -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd,ro /dev/sda10 /mac_gerald [18:41] i can't tell which device the ipod is using dmesg [18:41] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:41] the "ro" would indicated read-only to me [18:41] so it can be done in fstab? [18:42] can this be done in the kde tool ? :) [18:42] I don't think rw can be done at all for hfs++, is what I was suggesting [18:42] oh. [18:42] could be wrong, haven't tried in a year or so [18:42] hfs+++ [18:43] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:43] i used to mount my ipod, but it was a 2nd gen nano :( [18:43] err, my mount command says: /dev/sdd3 on /media/iPod type hfsplus (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal) [18:43] how I'd love to have a 1st gen [18:43] rw ???? [18:43] read-write [18:43] thrice`, ? [18:43] Guest4867, try to touch a new file in /media/iPod [18:44] already did so: [18:44] touch: cannot touch `TEST.txt': Read-only file system [18:45] ok, so i'm assuming i'm finding a copy of windows now.. [18:45] touch: cannot touch `M.C.Hammer' [18:45] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [18:46] :D [18:46] lol [18:49] LMFAO [18:50] check this photoshopped pick i found of me [18:50] note that i didn't do it. [18:50] http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:_KAJCWphq9I1GM:http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r258/nunfu/1LargeNude-Soldier.jpg [18:50] oops hold on [18:50] http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r258/nunfu/1LargeNude-Soldier.jpg [18:51] nvm, wrong one. that's not me [18:51] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-18-46.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[19:02] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.60.245.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:06] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:09] Hebram (~Hebram@mail.ericcostello.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:09] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-24-244.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:10] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] Cann0n: fyi those are cops (aka swat) not soldiers and don't send me pr0n [19:10] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-26-49.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:10] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [19:11] lolwut (1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:12] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:12] ok, the resore is finsihed. [19:12] whew... [19:13] coolkehon: yeah, I was mistaken. It's on a skate forum an there is a dude that photoshops peoples heads on that crap. I dunno why he put my name on it. I have a beard (since 2004) [19:15] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [19:16] one folder 's been added via gtkpod [19:17] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:19] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:21] mohaa (~nome@92.49.74.195) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:23] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:28] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [19:28] mohaa (~nome@92.49.82.94) joined ##slackware. [19:30] anyone encountered this error message pulseaudio-0.9.10/src/daemon/main.c:507: undefined reference to `lt__PROGRAM__LTX_preloaded_symbols [19:31] thanks Cann0n and thrice` it looks like the fat32 restore works. thanks! [19:31] Guest4867 (~testing@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:32] lol. he thanked me. [19:34] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:38] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.106.22) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:38] vldmr (1000@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [19:39] CaRaMuRu (~caramuru@187.36.136.19) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:40] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("She talks to angels, says they call her out by name."). [19:40] Skout41 (~ryan@99-75-75-156.lightspeed.toldoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:42] is there a way to restore a quick format of NTFS partition? [19:42] mohaa (~nome@92.49.82.94) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:43] anyone here want to help a noob troubleshoot an X error? [19:43] whats the issue? [19:43] well [19:43] when i am logged in as a user I can type startx [19:43] and it starts perfectly fine [19:43] my friend accidentally loosed all data simply clicking quick format.. [19:44] lol [19:44] however when I am logged in as root and I type startx I get a Dbus error [19:44] Skout41: why do you need to log into X on root? [19:45] I cant extract as user [19:45] extract what? [19:45] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:45] I was trying to install firefox 3.6 [19:45] think it was a .bz2 [19:46] You want to install a slackware package. [19:46] And you do not need to log on as root like that [19:46] type su in a terminal [19:46] ok [19:46] man tar, read it, then check out slackbuilds.org [19:47] Skout41: you may want to look at http://slackbook.org [19:47] yeah [19:47] that too [19:47] You know, I never actually read that. :P [19:47] this is my first time using linux, I have a lot of learning to do lol [19:47] NaCl: Slackbook? [19:48] yeah. [19:48] Skout41: you picked the right distro if you want to learn! [19:48] Indeed you did. [19:48] NaCl: I've read it twice [19:48] I printed out a copy once [19:49] I thikn I already know most of what's in there. [19:49] Cann0n, me to lolz at work :) [19:49] Mostly by using google. [19:49] lol crashdata [19:49] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [19:49] lucky it was saturday lolz [19:49] pupit, GetDataBack for NTFS, runtime.org [19:49] not many ppl were using the printer :) [19:50] lol [19:50] pupit, you can't install it in the lost partition [19:50] i used to work an the copy center of an officemax [19:50] powtrix, tried that [19:51] last week i recovery 1500gb data [19:51] same here powtrix [19:51] i accidently "formatted" my 1.5tb drive [19:51] what OS? [19:51] recovered* [19:51] full format, ctrl+c [19:51] win 7 :D [19:51] hm... [19:51] I do that twice a day and three times on sundays lolz lulz [19:51] runtime.org powtrix? [19:51] mohaa (~nome@92.49.83.28) joined ##slackware. [19:51] http://www.runtime.org/data-recovery-software.htm [19:52] ardya, cause you're wack [19:52] windows can handle TB's? [19:52] yep [19:52] pupit, was really fun and easy but i restored to a usb 2.0 drive so it took forever [19:52] in my case the friend's hdd is fucked, i need to make a rms/seagate [19:53] scanning the 1.5tb should take around 4-5 hours [19:53] ok, ill try it again :) thanks for advice powtrix [19:54] here took 3 days to copy the data from bad hdd [19:54] few files are affected :/ [19:54] were [19:54] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [19:54] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:13] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:19] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:19] xorsurgeon (~xorsurgeo@S0106002719c8b3cd.cn.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:46] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:46] the wait for the song to download will be very worth it [20:47] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:48] dun.torrent [20:48] bbl [20:49] bye [20:49] bye dive [20:49] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Atheism is a non-prophet organization. George Carlin [20:50] dundundun du dundun dun dun dun dun dun er er er er [20:50] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-228.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [20:50] doo wap [20:51] that sounds reminds me of puking outside a club [20:51] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-44.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:51] you go to the wrong clubs [20:52] 10 years ago tho :) [20:52] last time i went to a club, my buddy puked in the bathroom and they kicked us out... [20:52] he made the toilet though [20:54] Made out with the toilet? [20:54] seems [20:54] goonies or the the breakfeast club? [20:54] talked to ralph, on the big white phone [20:55] Goonies. [20:55] GooseYArd: LOL [20:55] :) [20:58] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:58] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.45.49) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:58] alkos333 (~alkos333@adsl-75-56-63-160.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:59] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-71-191.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [20:59] ioooooo [20:59] i love you [20:59] lol [20:59] More output than input, huh? [20:59] i love Patrick [20:59] :p [21:00] dun dun dun der der der der dun dun dun dun dun er er er er ER ER ER ER ER dun dun dun dun dundundundundun [21:00] Cann0n: Axel F, right? [21:00] Sandstorm [21:00] patrick where are you [21:00] :( [21:01] i love michael jackson too [21:01] :) [21:01] fredoslack: If you're looking for volderdi, he only visits rarely. [21:01] jkwood, do he [21:02] come here sometimesd [21:02] ? [21:02] sometimes * [21:02] Sometimes. He usually gets deluged when he does. [21:02] est-ce qu'il vien ici parfois [21:03] ok [21:03] brushes with the famous are like that [21:03] :)) [21:03] everyone crowds around to more or less say omg, omg, ponies!!! [21:04] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) joined ##slackware. [21:04] Skaperen, je serai ravi de lui dire bonjour [21:04] fredoslack, http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1660 [21:04] à l'occasion [21:05] There's always the one or two who think their special brand of patch should make the next version. [21:05] hannnn [21:05] dive, [21:05] ouin [21:05] =) [21:05] *cough* Quiznos [21:05] yeah, and he's gonna resolve it on irc [21:05] :'(( [21:05] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1667 [21:06] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:07] Patrick [21:07] come o, [21:07] :p [21:07] on [21:07] i love you [21:07] oh [21:08] NyteOwl (sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [21:09] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [21:09] patrick [21:09] where are you [21:09] hello happy slackers [21:09] :( [21:10] hi LnxSlck [21:10] hello dive [21:10] no time no see :) [21:10] fredoslack isn't happy [21:10] fredoslack needs to get laied [21:10] layed? [21:10] fredoslack, probably spending quality time with his family [21:10] laid [21:10] laid [21:10] ok [21:10] he needs some tang [21:11] has anyone experienced strange behavoir from KDE's Guidance Power Manager with KDE 4.4.0? it lists a third processor with no clock rate even though I just have a core2 duo. also, the setting to suspend my laptop when i close the lid no longer has any effect. i can, however, suspend it just fine from the KDE Kickoff Application Launcher [21:11] zaltekk, nope [21:11] en français: mon rêbe est de lui dire coucou [21:11] reve * [21:11] did you just say you like the taste of man balls ? [21:12] something about whips [21:12] je ne suis pas compliqué lol [21:12] dun dun dun dun [21:12] er er er er [21:12] it appears that it isn't managing to save the setting. if i logout and then back in, it is set back to "Do nothing" [21:12] zaltekk, how many cpus are detected when you boot [21:12] zaltekk: I just realized that I'm showing a third one too. [21:12] tuvok302Lappy (Nancy@clgrtnt5-port-247.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:13] Skywise: two. [21:13] patrick, i love you [21:13] that's not what you said [21:14] gays have a good sense of humor... [21:14] jkwood: does the "When Laptop Lids Closed" setting work for you? [21:14] pupit, happy people usually do [21:14] and an annoying habit of expressing it on irc [21:15] Action: NyteOwl refers to the proper definition of gay not the modern colloquial one [21:15] Hmm... mine says "When laptop lid closes, do nothing", but it's locking on me. [21:15] So I'm gonna say "no." [21:16] Action: jkwood digs into the System Settings [21:16] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:16] jkwood: with the KDE that ships with slackware64-13.0, that setting worked fine. now nothing happens when I close the laptop lid. [21:17] patrick passe ici parfois ? [21:17] patrick comes here sometimes * [21:17] ? [21:17] zaltekk: Check your performance profile. I think that Powerdevil is handling it, and not letting Guidance do its thing. [21:18] jkwood: guidance doesn't let me change it from "dynamic" [21:18] i think it does a really poor job of managing my laptop to be honest [21:18] (even when it was suspending on lid closes) [21:18] I don't think Guidance is doing anything, to be honest. It seems to be all Powerdevil. [21:19] fredoslack: no, we send him love letters :p [21:19] fredoslack, sometimes [21:19] jkwood: okay. i'll look into powerdevil and see if i can get guidance to no longer show in my tray [21:19] realy ? [21:20] i love patrick [21:20] :) [21:20] fredo, its time for the boat ride [21:20] pupit, speak for yourself :p [21:20] jkwood: i have noticed that after a few minutes go by guidance reverts the setting back to do nothing...it doesn't let me keep it set to suspend. [21:20] NyteOwl: im just being gay :P as you refer :p [21:20] looool pupit [21:21] i would [21:21] *sant [21:21] want [21:21] lui dire bonjour [21:21] You should be able to right-click it, and select "Exit" [21:21] une fois in my mife* [21:22] jkwood: yes, but i believe it always loads when i login. maybe i need to save a kde session to make it stop? [21:22] life * [21:22] pardon lol [21:22] Action: pupit will be back after this commercials [21:22] |slackin| (~slackin@32.131.144.248) joined ##slackware. [21:23] dun dun dun dun [21:23] this song is addicting [21:23] patrick patrick [21:23] There's always the option of removing the guidance-power-manager package. [21:23] where are you [21:24] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:26] fredoslack: what have you been drinking [21:27] 8.6 [21:27] 9.1 is high proof [21:27] Perrier [21:27] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:27] semen with vermouth? [21:28] gui_ap (gui_ap@unaffiliated/gui-ap/x-6398608) left ##slackware. [21:28] j/k [21:28] I love everyone in #slackware [21:28] what a waste of vermouth [21:30] NyteOwl (sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: Molon Labe [21:30] jkwood: i think i found the problem. i found the settings in the kde control module and it says to wait 30 minutes before performing a suspend action. strange default, but that seems to be the problem [21:30] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:31] Skout41 (~ryan@99-75-75-156.lightspeed.toldoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] LOL [21:31] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [21:31] Skout41 (~ryan@99-75-75-156.lightspeed.toldoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:34] hmm. it looks like i need to enable additional governors in the kernel to have more options [21:35] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-71-191.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [21:36] zaltekk, ? [21:36] dchmelik (d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left ##slackware. [21:36] maybe edit /etc/rc.d/rc.modules and make sure that it's loading the modules you need (cpufreq-powersave, cpufreq-ondemand, cpufreq-performance) etc [21:37] Delahunt: it seems that only ondemand is loaded. i was assuming the others weren't built since they aren't loaded, but i'll check. [21:37] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:37] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [21:37] default slackware 13 builds them all, but they're modules [21:37] and rc.modules seems to assume you are going to look at it and configure it [21:38] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [21:39] uns055 (~uns055@189.107.107.97) joined ##slackware. [21:39] ah, okay. [21:41] Delahunt: it doesn't seem ACPI or APM are enabled at all. [21:41] I am installing stuff as a normal user in a directory inside my home. Is there a way to make my prograns use the libs and includes I install there (in the home)? [21:42] actually, it seems that just about everything in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules is commented out. [21:42] uns055: yes, check your environment variables [21:42] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:43] even the modules for the filesystems i am using are commented out. what gives? [21:44] sitwon: what would be the specific var? sorry the offtopic people... -_- [21:44] tuvok302Lappy (Nancy@clgrtnt5-port-247.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:44] paissad_ (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:45] $PATH for your executables, $LD_LIBRARY_PATH for your libraries [21:45] tuvok302Lappy (Nancy@clgrtnt7-port-252.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:45] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:46] eg, export PATH=$PATH:~/bin ; export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:~/lib [21:46] sitwon: thank very much [21:49] fr0zen (~fr0zen@c-76-118-79-173.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:50] would it be safe to just uncomment all of the power-related(acpi and/or apm) modules in rc.modules? [21:50] i'm assuming i would want them loaded. but i'm not sure if they are already loaded some other way or not [21:54] vldmr (1000@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:57] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:58] can someone help me out? in installed speex but it went to /usr/local i want the ./configure file to find it at /usr/include how do i accomplish this? [22:00] crashdata: --prefix=/usr or use the slackbuild at SBo [22:00] --prefix=/usr or something very much like it. [22:00] I win. [22:00] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:00] Of course, my next sentence was gonna be about SBo, so I guess I lose. [22:00] jkwood: I closed Guidance, added the Battery Monitor widget by the clock, and change the settings for PowerDevil. I also added the modprobing of the additional governors. the power management is working great now! [22:01] zaltekk: Awesome. =) [22:02] :) [22:02] thanks guys [22:03] crashdata: you really might want to give slackbuilds.org a look. :) [22:04] :) [22:05] i'm dowloading speex from slackbuild.org now :) [22:07] good man, don't forget to remove speex from /usr/local/ [22:08] did it :) [22:08] mg4001 (~mg4001@cpe-76-93-28-217.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:09] uh oh...i was playing around with the plasma desktop and picked an option that isn't letting me right click to switch the activity. is there any other way to get that configuration window open? [22:10] slackaholic (1000@187-24-151-186.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:10] can anyone shed a light on this error msg /usr/lib/libxcb.so: could not read symbols: File in wrong format [22:10] guys, i want to configure smtp in my server, i hesitate between postfix & sendmail .... what do you advice me ? [22:11] zaltekk, did u crash it? by changing themes? if so just logout and log back in [22:11] crashdata: no. i changed the desktop activity to the one that shows all of my programs. and now i don't get the rightclick menu [22:12] i don't know how else to get to pick the desktop activity...i can't find it in System Settings. to be honest, quite a few Control Module windows seem to be missing(yes, i looked under the advanced tab too) [22:12] paissad_, sendmail [22:13] ohh u changed it to search and launch containment? [22:13] Alt+D, Alt+S will bring up the Activity settings. [22:13] jkwood: thanks. [22:14] it seems that my Mouse Actions settings vanished without me editing them... [22:14] crashdata: I've seen that error before, I believe. I don't remember how to fix it, though. [22:14] zaltekk: Did you just upgrade to 4.4? [22:14] jkwood: yes. [22:14] jkwood, i encountered it yesterday to lolz.. [22:14] Did you start with a fresh .kde profile? [22:15] i find it better to deleet the old .kde and start a new one to [22:15] Nick change: paissad_ -> paissad [22:15] jkwood: i used alienBOB's instructions. removepkg kdelibs-experimental && upgradepk --reinstall --install-new *.t?z [22:16] maybe i should do that, though. i also experienced a crash when changing themes. [22:16] zaltekk, yah it does that if u change theme one after another [22:16] You can back up your old one with tar cjf kde.tar.bz2 .kde [22:17] crashdata: Running 64-bit multilib, by chance? [22:18] yup [22:18] u have to use the 13.1 for multilib to get kde 4.4 running though [22:19] There's a possibility (not a strong one) that the speex SlackBuild is trying to build as 64-bit, but linking against the 32-bit libxcb.so [22:19] fr0zen (~fr0zen@c-76-118-79-173.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:19] At least, I assume that your error came while building speex. [22:20] jkwood: i ran into a few such slackbuilds that only busted when the multilib packages were present [22:20] Wiseguy (wiseguy@default-ip-gblx.shellfusion.net) left irc: Write error: Broken pipe [22:20] jkwood: so just delete the entire .kde folder? [22:20] jkwood, i'm trying to build the new pulseaudio version [22:20] zaltekk: Yup. [22:20] crashdata: Ah, I see. Let me see here. [22:20] okay, let me try it. [22:21] Wiseguy (wiseguy@default-ip-gblx.shellfusion.net) joined ##slackware. [22:21] thanks [22:22] I built that a little while ago. [22:23] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] If I had to guess, I'd say that you need to add "LDFLAGS=-L/lib${LIBDIRSUFFIX} -L/usr/lib${LIBDIRSUFFIX}" \ to the line after CXXFLAGS= in the SlackBuild. [22:24] jkwood, did u have any problem with it? [22:25] Don't remember. It was a couple weeks ago. [22:25] I can't find my build stuff, so I probably deleted it. [22:25] k [22:25] But that's my standard fix for SlackBuilds when they give me library problems - I just moved to Slackware64, but I've run Slamd64 for years. [22:26] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) joined ##slackware. [22:26] hmmm [22:27] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:28] Unfortunately, that particular facet of my experimentation with SlackBuilds didn't carry into the SBo standards. Technically, you shouldn't need it if you run either 32-bit or 64-bit, since multilib is not officially supported. [22:29] ShadowMona (~ShadowMon@112.135.35.254) joined ##slackware. [22:29] i'm going to switch back to x64 [22:29] i'll try that [22:29] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [22:31] i guess there are some autoconf macros that still dont deal with multilib correctly [22:31] looking at the pulseaudio configure, it looks like a mish mash of searching /lib vs searchinb lib${libsuff} [22:32] or the pulseaudio guy may be using older autotools [22:32] we probably ought to keep a little list of those [22:33] uns055 (~uns055@189.107.107.97) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:33] someone should update the slackbuild of the pulseaudio in slackbuild.org [22:33] that thing will not compile properly unless u have an old libtool [22:34] you have the multilib packages installed? [22:34] crashdata: source pulseaudio.info &&& echo $MAINTAINER [22:34] Hmm... now that doesn't surprise me. [22:34] GooseYArd, yup [22:35] yah any of the libraries included in the compat-32 set that wind up in /lib can potentially confuse autoconf scripts [22:35] And... maintainer is "nobody" [22:35] Action: Delahunt has never had a good experience with PulseAudio [22:35] configure only looks for files by name, it generally doesn't check to see if theyre the right architecture [22:36] ardya (ardy@unaffiliated/ardya) left ##slackware ("BitchX: There is no reason."). [22:36] Action: BP{k} nomnates jkwood as pulseaudio maintainer ;) [22:36] like jkwood was saying, you can force ldflags to search lib64 ahead of lib, but some of the autoconf macros have /lib hardcoded [22:36] hahaha [22:36] its very difficult to correct for those, short of patching the configure script [22:37] congratulations, jkwood is now going to experience the untold toil and stress that surely accompanies that project lol [22:37] I hate it when they harcode things. [22:37] lolz [22:37] jkwood: yah and its usually one teeny tiny little hack that somebody snuck in [22:37] g'night [22:37] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:37] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:37] Half the time, when you finally work out all that needs to be patched, it runs autoconf for you and screws it up. [22:38] Oy vey... I only built Pulseaudio as a test. I really don't want to run it again... [22:38] yah and what really blows, if you decide to do it right and submit a change to configure.ac, then it turns out they were using some ancient version of autoconf, and I'm always afraid to install yet another version of it [22:38] i know its supposed to be safe but once i foul up autoconf it never works right again [22:38] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:39] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [22:40] mrs. gooseyard is going to divorce me if I dont put the laptop away [22:40] ttyl [22:41] Jeffm312 (~chatzilla@CPE004010100002-CM0019477f2b7e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [22:41] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:41] Later, GooseYArd. [22:43] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.8.123) joined ##slackware. [22:44] acidtripper (~gonza@190.193.18.19) joined ##slackware. [22:44] Hey, I have a problem booting slackware -- I haven't used it in a while, and all of the sudden when i boot i get "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,4)". Im on 12.2, default kernel with lilo. Anyone have any clue what the hell is going on? [22:44] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: cryptographic export controls are very funny on open souce encryption algorithms [22:45] Sounds like you're running a kernel without your filesystem driver in the initrd. [22:45] somebody there using intel linux graphics latest v 2.10? [22:47] jkwood: So just boot up on a live disk, chroot, then fix .initrd? [22:47] LnxSlck (1000@95.69.70.110) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [22:48] That would be my guess. If you've got an installer cd, you can boot into your system using the huge.s kernel to verify. [22:49] I've got the slackware 12.2 install disk... how would I boot using the huge.s kernel? [22:50] It mentions how to do it on the screen, but if I had to recall from memory, it'd be "huge.s root=/dev/sda1 initrd= ro" [22:51] Patero-ng (~Basura@174-23-31-178.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:51] Hello sirs [22:51] I want to ask for support on slack [22:51] We'll do what we can. [22:52] I want to install java supports runtime [22:52] for my slack so I can run applets on firefox [22:53] mohaa (~nome@92.49.83.28) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:53] installpkg jre*.t?z [22:53] its a bin [22:53] I run the bin and it just extracts it to the current directory [22:54] try current [22:54] i think there is an update for jre there [22:54] wha [22:54] slackpkg [22:54] slackpkg install jre [22:54] serious? [22:55] yup [22:55] lolz all this time i still cant install pulse audio [22:55] If I edit rc.wireless.conf and my KEY="blah" value (blah) has things like " / \ ... will I need to escape these characters? [22:56] jkwood: thanks, and nice mem -- it was hugesmp.s root = /dev/sda1 initrd= ro [22:56] audio? [22:56] you need to add ur self to the audio grouo [22:56] i did all that [22:56] its not compiling properly [22:56] I have to done that to access the volume controls [22:56] :( [22:56] my audio works [22:56] Jeffm312: I hibernated my comp without adding a hibernated option to LILO, so I had to use the CD the other day ;) [22:57] but i need pulse to build virtual box opensource [22:57] ok sir I slackpkg instlal package but the HD is not having actitivies [22:57] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [22:57] it just using cpu and the fan just turned on [22:57] crashdata: i think you can just tell it to not use pulse audio [22:57] SlashQuit: Shouldn't need to, as long as it's inside "s [22:57] ... help [22:57] zaltekk, can u point me to some documentation? [22:58] Patero-ng, slackpkg install jre [22:58] crashdata: What do you need pulseaudio for? [22:58] just jre? my bin is longer [22:58] 6u18-linux.bin [22:59] crashdata: uhm..http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/virtualbox-ose/ [22:59] my virtualbox sound only works with pulseaudio [22:59] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:59] but for some reason it just stop working..... [22:59] jkwood: Hmm... when I boot using the disk and smphuge.s, I get "Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel." (I have tried that, nil) [22:59] crashdata: i think that when using ALSA it tries to have exclusive rights to the audio device, so i just tell it to use the null driver and not hog my sound. [23:00] zaltekk, how do i do that? [23:00] crashdata: the virtual box website should tell you what to pass to configure it to not use pulseaudio, and i think the slackbuild does that [23:00] ahhh [23:00] crashdata: in the virtual machine's hardware settings [23:00] under audio [23:01] ok nothign is slack [23:01] nothing is working I mean [23:01] Did you run slackpkg as root? [23:01] but ofcurse [23:01] i've change it to null, alsa but no go [23:01] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:02] i'll try mesa 7.7 and xf86-video-intel-2.10 [23:03] Axius_ (~fd@92.84.22.236) joined ##slackware. [23:03] crashdata: How did you install VirtualBox? [23:03] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.8.123) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:03] Patero-ng, make sure the server that u want to use has no comment /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [23:03] jkwood, looks like I at least had to escape the " character. [23:03] search and [23:04] jkwood, i downloaded it off directly from virtualbox website [23:04] Patero-ng, try running slackpkg update [23:05] ;( [23:05] I have no slackpkg I hjave pkgtool [23:06] is that possible? [23:06] no slackpkg [23:06] Patero-ng: What's the output of cat /etc/slackware-version ? [23:07] is not executable [23:07] slackware 12 [23:07] slax 6.0.0-rc5 [23:07] That would explain the lack of slackpkg. [23:08] jkwood, ur running x64 slack as well right? [23:08] Yup. [23:08] Axius_ (~fd@92.84.22.236) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:08] how did u install ur virtual box? [23:08] anyway [23:09] how to install my java jre bin [23:09] I used the SlackBuild from SBo. I added that LIBDIR tidbit, though I may not have needed to. [23:09] i cant install the one in sbopkg [23:10] do u still have ur slackbuild script? [23:10] crashdata: i am running slackware64(not multilib, so i can't build the ose version without hacking up the build system to not make the 32bit guest stuff). i used slacktrack and the binaries from the website [23:10] im suffering several issues related to sbopkg [23:10] most of the times conection time out [23:10] i really don't know time ago worked ok for me [23:11] coolkehon (~coolkehon@unaffiliated/coolkehon) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:11] hmmm [23:11] Yeah, one second. [23:12] SEAK AND DESTORY! [23:12] huh? [23:12] hmm [23:14] acidtripper: that should be a network problem and not an sbopkg problem but you could try editing the timeout value for wget in your sbopkg.conf [23:15] crashdata: http://slaxer.com/personal/virtualbox-ose.tar.bz2 [23:16] Axius (~fd@92.84.22.236) joined ##slackware. [23:16] Anyone know where I could find a vanilla initrd file? [23:17] You have to create your own. [23:17] yes, i'll edit it and try again, becouse right now im in a hostel doing course to enter on university and this network have some kinda lag [23:17] Although, the huge kernel should have everything you need. [23:18] Yeah, i booted from the huge kernel and ended up with "Kernel panic -- initrd not found..." [23:19] i think i dont have initrd [23:21] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.8.123) joined ##slackware. [23:21] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) joined ##slackware. [23:23] jkwood, thanks [23:24] Ugh, I haven't used linux in a while -- init.rd is supposed to be in /etc, right? [23:25] wrong [23:25] c:\windows\system [23:25] Not in windows [23:26] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.8.123) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:28] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [23:28] /boot/initrd.img or something along those lines. [23:29] Not a text file. [23:29] There's a /boot/README.initrd that talks about it. [23:29] ShadowMona (~ShadowMon@112.135.35.254) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [23:29] man mkinitrd [23:30] ShadowMona (~ShadowMon@112.135.54.189) joined ##slackware. [23:31] edit your bootloader and then the offspring of a man having sex with a goat takes you into magical land. [23:31] Jeffm312: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-11.0/extra/linux-2.6.17.13/README.initrd [23:31] NARNIA [23:32] I'll shut up now [23:32] Yeah, found it in my install (but thanks jkwood, spider1010 and hitest [23:32] same idea for 13.0 [23:32] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-167-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] Xires (~Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Quit: Xires [23:36] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Atheism is a non-prophet organization. George Carlin [23:37] How can I make my mouse work in console? [23:37] gpm [23:38] joannis (~joannis@adsl-dyn3.78-99-204.t-com.sk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:39] butterball (~confusid@c-98-231-191-231.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] freebse (~freebse@ip-109-84-146-163.web.vodafone.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:39] Hello, I'm trying to copy my /home to another partition and it copy's the files but does not copy the directory's in it.. What option do I need to use? I've used several that the man page's show [23:39] cp -r [23:40] Also known as "recursive" [23:40] cp -a works also [23:40] that seems to be too easy :) [23:40] -a didn't copy the directory's at least for me [23:41] I used sudo cp if that makes a differance [23:41] Only files were copied over [23:42] then you specified files, and not directories [23:42] cp -r * newpartition [23:42] noooooo. that ignores dotfiles [23:43] scoombaleech (~frank@ool-45747b10.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [23:43] cp -a . newpartition [23:43] I used *.* .. is that bad? [23:43] *.* is file only [23:43] butterball: do any of your directories have extensions ? [23:43] ah [23:43] no only files [23:43] *.* means any file/directory with a period in the name. [23:43] and only files with file extentions at that [23:44] Hello slackwhore users [23:44] ur not going to help me? I need info regarding java installing instruction [23:44] this is a mistery [23:45] Patero-ng: askin slax. [23:45] ty Learning something new every day :) [23:45] I have a hybrid [23:45] slackware slax [23:45] Patero-ng: I don't care. [23:45] fuck off man [23:45] hey we dont like to be called whores. i believe slackers of the night is the term [23:45] bring it [23:45] Patero-ng: look on slackbuild [23:45] You're running an outdated version of an OS based off of Slackware. The creator of Slax, Tomas, would encourage you to use what's provided by Slax, or else do an actual Slackware install. [23:46] gosh I need to go bsd [23:46] and if you think you can run a hybrid, you should also be skilled enough to solve any problems. [23:46] scoombaleech (~frank@ool-45747b10.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:46] Patero-ng: you do that. [23:46] "mount newpart /mnt/newmnt && cp -ax / /mnt/newmnt" <- this will copy your root partition (and -only- the root partition) to /mnt/newmnt - if you leave off the x, you'll wind up with a recursion, copying your filesystem over and over to mnt/newmnt//mnt/newmnt/mnt/newmnt/mnt/newmnt/....... [23:46] Patero-ng (Basura@174-23-31-178.slkc.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:47] \o. [23:47] if he does, he'd better do a standard freebsd install, and not pcbsd, at least if he wants any help. [23:48] ./whois break19 will reveal I'm in ##freebsd :p [23:49] also obsd does not support flash atm. :) [23:49] THANK YOU! You have made a fellow slacker happy jkwood. [23:50] acidtripper (~gonza@190.193.18.19) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:50] freebsd does.. in linux-compat mode only.. while there are tons of howto's and stuff in the handbook.. he doesn't seem all that adept at reading.. and he'll get pissed at us too lol [23:50] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-167-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:50] That's a first. [23:50] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-60-66.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:51] I mean, you're welcome. [23:51] Axius (~fd@92.84.22.236) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:51] :D [23:51] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [23:51] I was NOT about to re install slackware. VLC takes sooooo damn long to compile. [23:52] XD [23:52] help! [23:52] ak.. sorry [23:52] using irssi.. looking for more commands in it [23:54] http://static.quadpoint.org/irssi-docs/help-full.html [23:54] Ok, it now boots, but I get a slight problem: "An error occurred during the root fs check. If you are using the ext2 fs, running e2fsck -v -y might help (Any idea what to do for ext3?) [23:55] Same idea. Ext3 is Ext2 with a journal tacked on. [23:55] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [23:55] Axius (~fd@92.84.22.236) joined ##slackware. [23:56] ty but in command line and no gui :) [23:56] not sure how to copy past yet in this [23:56] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:57] lynx quadpoint.org and browse through, then. [23:57] Are you using screen? Or at least virtual terminals? [23:57] i hate screen [23:57] console/tty ?? not sure about the name of it.. no X [00:00] Does someone knows how to change the zsh prompt? [00:00] --- Mon Feb 22 2010