[00:00] never mind. it just got it. [00:00] i think it was the main slackware server [00:01] i've noticed it takes forever [00:01] You mean to tell me that gslapt doesn't prevent you from pulling from ftp.slackware.com ????? [00:01] i don't look at the repos. much. i did add a couple to get some more updated games. [00:02] xeon: Did you try 180.22 ? [00:03] jkwood: i'm using 180.22 [00:03] It's failing me, horribly. haah. [00:03] And that's the one that broke it? [00:03] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [00:03] jkwood: yep, only two things in my logs in xorg.0.log [00:03] Sec, lemme find it [00:03] valan (n=valan@unaffiliated/valan) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:03] dumb question--did you run nvidia-xconfig as root? [00:04] Strange... it's working fine for me here. *shrug* [00:04] uva (i=bono@118-160-174-221.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:04] ejm: yep [00:05] Hahah, I love the quotes when you log in. "Don't drink when you drive -- you might hit a bump and spill it." [00:05] clyphox (n=human@82.45.239.218) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:06] Friends don't let friends drink and derive. [00:06] I don't drink and drive. I drink then drive. [00:07] ^ This. [00:07] lol [00:07] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:07] xeon: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/177.76/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-177.76-pkg1.run is the previous "stable" driver. 20 megs. [00:08] jkwood: yeah is there any way to copy/paste that...? [00:08] Action: tuvok302_ ponders how hard it would be do install slack 12.2 then recompile the kernel for 64 bit.... [00:08] xeon: If you use gpm [00:08] friends dont let friends drunk and drive, the might spell the ossifer [00:08] gpm? [00:08] It's a console mouse driver [00:09] Oh, cool. [00:09] bono (i=bono@118-160-174-221.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:09] man to hell with legends [00:09] no one plays it just like tribes lol [00:10] 6 servers with 0 peoples playing.... and its midnight [00:10] FriedBob: hah, how do I use gpm? [00:10] xeon, chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.gpm [00:11] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] i found this game called lugaru [00:13] you get to play a ninja rabbit..it's fun, but it's a commercial game. but it's made for apple, windows, and linux [00:13] hello [00:14] Cann0n: there is no rc.gpm in /etc/rc.d/ [00:15] hmmmm dunno then [00:15] wamaral (i=1000@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "BitchX: ..(cyp): gone" [00:15] DId you install gpm? [00:15] lol fuck it, i'll google nvidia linux 177.76 [00:15] man, someone should make a fork of slackware that includes every gui and window manager ever made, and call it utimate slackware or something stupid like that. [00:16] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) joined ##slackware. [00:17] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:17] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [00:18] or make a version of slackware where it tries to do everything for you, while making it incredibly hard to change the kernel, use sudo only, and use debian packages instead of tgz. [00:18] oh wait..there already is---ubuntu! [00:18] zGhost (i=dave@adsl-68-79-134-12.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) left irc: [00:18] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:20] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-102.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:20] for the mouseless: awk -vRS='%' '$0 ~ /drink when you drive/{ print }' /usr/share/games/fortunes/* [00:21] redirecting to a file, of course ;) [00:21] jkwood: downloading that driver.. i just copied it down on paper >_< [00:22] actually, you'd have to change a lot more than that to get ubuntu out of slackware [00:23] i know. [00:23] but those are some of the preliminary steps :) [00:23] i was just thinking how one would make a version of ubuntu that had the same configuration, packaging, and use su? [00:24] So, how do I remove the previous nVidia driver? [00:24] while having the autodetecting ability of ubuntu? i don't know how to describe it. [00:25] <_NaCl_> I don't know for sure, but I think Debian does that autodetecting stuff too... [00:25] ejm: dunno - xeon: if it's an sbo package just removepkg; if not, I think the installer has a switch [00:25] xeon: nvidia-uninstall [00:25] and for those of us who dont like to type: awk '/drink when you drive/' /usr/share/games/fortunes/* [00:25] or, yeah, that [00:25] FDCX_: Thank you (: [00:26] SiegeX: that only works for one line fortunes [00:26] I'd just use grep then [00:27] I mean, this happens to be a one line fortune, but in theory you'd want to match more [00:27] Okay, and when I download something as root where does it go? Sorry... new to linux. [00:28] either /home/root or /root. i think it's /root [00:28] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [00:28] still, you're right in that you only need the rs: awk -vRS='%' '/drink when you drive/' /usr/share/games/fortunes/* [00:29] xeon: your current working directory, which would usually be /root unless your downloading agent is configured differently [00:29] slakmagik: it was links [00:29] xeon: or if you haven't cd to some other folder [00:29] FDCX_: probaly did that, i'll find -name it [00:29] why are you surfing and downloading as root? [00:29] xeon: It should uninstall the previous drier for you. [00:29] i'm tempted to go by the sed and awk book at b&n's sometime, but since i don't use sed or awk much, and the $$ for the book take me away from it. [00:29] *buy [00:30] slakmagik: because i had to install it as root [00:30] I have the old one by Dougherty and don't much like it. :( [00:30] too bad newegg doesn't have linux books [00:30] xeon: but you can download it as an unprivileged user. It's a good idea to do as little as root as possible. [00:31] agreed there [00:31] yeah, will do. [00:31] mess around in root = go back to windows [00:31] download stuff and just 'su -c installfoo', for instance [00:31] yeah, i love the su -c switch [00:31] ic3fr0g (n=eno@athedsl-4464782.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [00:31] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:32] but I gather Robbins has rewritten it, so maybe it's better now [00:32] the sed&awk book, I mean [00:32] awk -v RS="%" '/the law!/{$1=$1;print}' /usr/share/games/fortunes/* [00:32] a bit nicer [00:32] in the output [00:32] pinkish/purple color? [00:33] mm, I like the spacing for multiple matches, but that's me [00:33] so what would you guys say i should install on an athlon 2800 XP? slackware? windows home server? freebsd? gentoo? [00:33] ejm: what, the book? [00:33] yeah, the book [00:33] mine's white with a green spine [00:33] sorry, sort of crazy. i should get to bed really soon. [00:33] ok [00:33] awk -v ORS="\n\n" -v RS="%" '/the law!/{$1=$1;print}' /usr/share/games/fortunes/* [00:33] in that case [00:34] Could someone re-copy/paste that 177.76 driver please? [00:34] i want to start my personal linux library, but i keep getting delayed by the book prices. [00:34] ic3fr0g (n=eno@athedsl-4464782.home.otenet.gr) left ##slackware. [00:34] ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/177.76/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-177.76-pkg1.run [00:34] SiegeX: yep - but now we're back to more typing. :) [00:34] but now we are proably more chars than we started with =). But at least its one record per line [00:34] FDCX_: Thanks [00:34] heh [00:34] jinx [00:34] beat me to it [00:34] yep [00:35] or should i put something like ubuntu or xp home on it? I'd like for my future wife to have something she can use [00:35] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [00:35] and i refuse vista for personal and obvious reasons. [00:36] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.216.224) left irc: "Leaving" [00:36] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.216.224) joined ##slackware. [00:36] I dunno - if you set up the system and stick something familiar like Knome on it, it should be usable enough for her. [00:36] do you mean gnome? [00:36] So I'd go with slack. [00:36] ugh [00:36] no gnome [00:36] KDE/Gnome [00:37] oh ok. yeah, usually they're the ones i use too. [00:37] I can't stand either one of them though, if I had to, I'd definitely pick KDE [00:37] tuvok302_ (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-102.dial.telus.net) left irc: Connection timed out [00:37] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.216.224) left irc: Client Quit [00:37] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.216.224) joined ##slackware. [00:37] ONly WM/DE needed is screen + emacs. ;) [00:37] xfce is ok, but it's bland and not complete yet for my uses. e17 is just weird, and she'd get ticked off with the desktop sliding thing. [00:38] funny aren't you? [00:38] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:38] seagate is full of fail lately [00:38] well, I like fvwm, a truckload of mrxvt, and vim [00:38] i tried going cli only for a while, but it was just annoying to do things like rip cds, basically anything with more than one or two switches. [00:39] nullboy: the drives dying in droves? [00:39] yuh fvwm-2.5.26/fvwm-crystal-3.0.6 atm [00:39] slakmagik: and epic firmware updates that fail whole arrays [00:40] ouch - sucks to be (or use) them [00:40] woah..ok my machine rebooted, and it didn't finish copying all the stuff i was copying..i think it's time to get an actual new machine and not hand-me-downs from people who don't use linux [00:41] ejm: debian-based (including ubuntu) seem to be a bit slower (then slackware) on older hardware [00:41] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.216.224) left irc: Client Quit [00:41] yeah, i've noticed slackware is quite a bit faster for anything [00:41] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.216.224) joined ##slackware. [00:42] ok, time for bed and kill the random rebooting machine. and maybe a look on newegg real quickly [00:43] no such thing as a quick look on newegg ;) [00:45] lol - re: seagate: "While it would have been nice of them to validate the firmware beforehand" [00:45] no kidding [00:47] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:47] gm152 (n=gm@d121-148-136.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:47] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) joined ##slackware. [00:48] too bad no one made a motherboard with both pci-e and agp [00:49] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:51] Hrm what the fuck [00:51] Where does links download to? [00:52] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [00:52] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [00:53] I downloaded the 177.76 driver twice and can't find it [00:55] xeon: probly ~/.links of user's home [00:55] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:55] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:55] just cd to where you want it use wget -c foo.run [00:56] it'll be in same folder [00:56] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) joined ##slackware. [00:56] use the full url [00:57] kk [00:57] thanks [00:57] sure [01:01] its freaking cold [01:05] yup [01:06] yeah it is [01:07] clyphox (n=human@82.45.239.218) joined ##slackware. [01:07] you'll need to chmod +x foo.run and a ./foo.run [01:07] brrrr http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=93003 [01:07] masterx831 (n=masterx8@97.104.48.72) joined ##slackware. [01:07] in slackware can i open as much wm in each terminal [01:07] ? [01:07] what is it nullboy 60 F or so?? [01:08] yeah kinda balmy right now though [01:08] 28 herein orlando [01:08] dustybin (i=subx@microsoft.devilcode.net) left ##slackware. [01:08] yuh our worst night all winter was last week,-24 F w/o the windchill [01:08] @weather 32817 [01:09] 9 here atm no wind [01:09] too bad computers aren't waterproof. they'd be running perfectly at that temp. [01:09] KidpunkX (n=masterx8@97.104.48.72) left irc: "Leaving" [01:09] err you guys know what i mean [01:10] Rat409: I already ran the nvidiabullshit.run [01:10] cool [01:10] I guess i didn't need to chmod it since it ran? [01:10] true [01:10] alright so just run x? [01:11] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-102.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Client exited" [01:11] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-102.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Wakka Wakka" [01:11] run nvidia-xconfig if you didn't let the installer [01:11] i let it [01:11] then can do a startx [01:11] Alright. wish me luck >_< [01:11] luck [01:12] Thank you, good sir. bbs [01:12] k [01:14] worked [01:14] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-4-99-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:14] FUCK YEHA. [01:14] lol [01:14] good [01:14] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [01:14] I kinda like this though, not gunna lie (; [01:15] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:15] another pleased linux user brought to you by free tech support brought to you by free software. [01:15] except for the nvidia part [01:15] ejm: Hahah [01:15] you can run nvidia-settings to check res,etc. [01:15] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-241.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:15] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Leaving" [01:15] its usually all good auto [01:16] yeah [01:16] xrandr to set my res? [01:16] KidpunkX (n=masterx8@97.104.48.72) joined ##slackware. [01:16] nvidia-settings [01:16] what's the switch [01:16] man, there's some sweet cases on less than $50. too bad my credit card is locked for some reason. probably need to get the bill paid. [01:16] no switch,its a gui [01:16] clyphox (n=human@82.45.239.218) left irc: Operation timed out [01:17] oh i ran it in shell lol [01:17] or i don't know the switch [01:17] If i have X running on Alt+F5 can i alt+f1 and go back to without a frontend? [01:17] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [01:17] run it from kde,system menu somewhere. and yes [01:18] CAN I REALLY? Wow, never going back to windows [01:18] virtual-console [01:19] if hardwares beefy enough you can run a second xserver also on 2 diff vc's [01:19] oh hardware is beefy enough (; [01:19] like xinit /usr/local/bin/fvwm -- :1 if first is screen 0 [01:20] man.. [01:20] I ran linux once before, lol [01:20] i used fvwm as example,fluxbox or whatever [01:20] Didn't know shit, lol [01:20] usually /usr/bin [01:20] Still don't, compared to most of you. but yeah, windows = never again [01:20] we all started sometime [01:21] is slackware your first distro??? you're doing freaking awesome! [01:21] i learned from breaking things :P [01:22] now you can start playing some sweet games that are free, and they have good graphics like quake 3/4. [01:23] ejm yes slackware is my first [01:24] Well, Sabayon was my first, but i ran it for like a week and didn't learn anything [01:24] yeah, sabayon and gentoo are really difficult to use. slackware is easier [01:25] i'm glad you chose it over ubuntu--ubuntu has it's uses, but it's getting to be bloated, so it's like using xp now. [01:25] yeah i was quickly pushed away from ubuntu [01:25] i used it once [01:26] And yeah, it sucked. did not like it. whenever i see 'ubuntu' i'm like, ew, the "u" word.. [01:27] haha! [01:27] i like it for people who are anti-computers in general like my parents (if they'd use it!) [01:27] Also, I could not figure out how to switch consoles [01:28] yeah i put sabayon on my little sisters computer because her windows wasn't valid because the crack i used expired or something. [01:29] Somehow she managed to fuck that up [01:29] She generally fucks up all computers. She is forbidden to touch my computer unless i'm like, staring over her shoulder. [01:30] you should put gentoo or some really really hard to use distro on it. [01:30] i hear slackware is hard [01:30] lol! [01:31] Lol someone in here said it was one of the hardest [01:31] i do know however, that it is the oldest distro still managed, and is the most unix-like [01:31] it's easier for me to use than ubuntu because of ubuntu's codec searching garbage and using kde4 only for kubuntu. [01:32] meh, kde4 looks nice [01:32] I dunno how to install it though, i have kde 3.5 [01:32] clyphox (n=human@82-45-239-218.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:33] brb in x [01:33] xeon (n=xeon@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "leaving" [01:34] the reason i use kde3.5 is that with kde4, a lot of the customization isn't there yet. you can't get the kicker (start menu/taskbar) applet to move down or anything yet. [01:34] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-60-30-252.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:36] ok, i'm gone now. thanks for the irc chat. i haven't been on for months. [01:36] ejm (n=tux@208.98.172.28) left irc: "Leaving" [01:37] night [01:38] jmoncayo (n=root@201.217.87.117) joined ##slackware. [01:39] anyone have a preferred easy to resolve in terms of dependancies SIP client for slack? [01:39] hey guys could somebody please give me the pastebin.ca ip [01:40] xeon (n=xeon@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:40] kback. [01:40] Fa (n=rip@unaffiliated/fa) joined ##slackware. [01:40] jmoncayo (n=root@201.217.87.117) left irc: "leaving" [01:40] 208.68.18.100 [01:41] cooool, got my res set like i wanted to. [01:42] That's how I broke x, hahaha. [01:42] Fa (n=rip@unaffiliated/fa) left ##slackware. [01:45] woo, who else uses ion? [01:45] I was browsing slackbuilds [01:46] i'm trying out out right now [01:46] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [01:50] Hrm now I need to fix my wireless... xD [01:50] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:57] try lspci or lsusb |grep -i network [01:57] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:58] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:58] means list pci bus list usb bus as root probly [01:58] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:58] hoh shat flooded me [01:58] Lol [01:59] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:59] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:00] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@190.148.119.76) left irc: "Saliendo" [02:00] Rat409, what am i looking for? [02:00] Wireless card? [02:00] network controller probly [02:00] intel card [02:00] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [02:00] I know when i modprobe for like, monitor mode [02:00] it's iwl3945 [02:01] you can use the stock network scripts with that card [02:01] wpas_supplicant works fine too [02:01] using the huge.s kernel,should have it [02:01] yuh i got broadcom here [02:01] I can never configure the wpa_supplicant right [02:02] what type of encryption are you using? [02:02] WPA2/TKIP [02:02] both? [02:02] fuck, i think. xD [02:03] ... [02:03] if i could connect to it i'd go to the router's config and figure out [02:03] I don't even remember [02:03] xeon (n=xeon@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Excess Flood [02:03] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:03] xeon (n=xeon@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:03] Lol wth, /killed me for flood. [02:04] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) joined ##slackware. [02:05] nullboy, yeah i don't remember [02:05] I'll grab my other laptop [02:05] and find out. [02:09] well i'm out half-nodding off.night all [02:09] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [02:10] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/9863 [02:10] that should work with whatever your AP can do, wpa2 or wpa [02:11] nullboy, the encryption is TKIP [02:11] what i pasted should work with either [02:11] automagic [02:12] kk [02:12] look in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [02:12] those are the config blocks i posted [02:12] you know, i have no idea what to do with that paste of yours [02:12] nullboy, do you need to modprobe the intel wireless nic for your setup (or is that for this persons usage) [02:13] nullboy, I mean each time. [02:13] Old_Fogie: no not each time but when making changes to wpa_supplicant you sometimes need to remove the module. [02:13] my laptop roams perfectly by itself [02:13] masterx831 (n=masterx8@97.104.48.72) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:14] ah I see, I usually whack wpa_supplicant too if I get issues [02:14] KidpunkX (n=masterx8@97.104.48.72) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:14] Old_Fogie: the rc.inet1 stop and start is to make sure any wpa_supplicant instances are killed and the modprobe -r makes sure that the driver isn't doing weird things after we reconfigure wpa_supplicant [02:14] nullboy, you don't happen to know of a "noauto wlan0" feature do you? there is one for debian (actually for any interface) , wondered if one for Slack existed you know of. [02:15] what does it do? [02:15] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) joined ##slackware. [02:15] when you boot up right, it won't auto connect to wireless ( in this example, but could be for an eth0 wired too) [02:15] hi, how do i check against an svf file in linux? [02:15] my laptop has a hardware kill switch [02:16] nullboy, ah so does mine...but no led, kernel dev's thought that it must have confused people for ath5k in the 2.6.26 series kernels...so it's all yannked out now in 2.6.27 and 2.6.28 [02:17] xeon: you open /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf up in a text editor and make the section that starts with IFNAME[4]= look like what i have posted [02:17] ohh okay [02:18] xeon: then in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf, enter a block like the one i posted for that file [02:18] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) joined ##slackware. [02:18] fill in all your wifi info in that one [02:18] after you do those two files, run those commands at the bottom of the paste [02:18] kk [02:18] if you're lucky it will just work [02:18] LOL [02:18] yeah [02:19] btw you will loose net connectivity for a few seconds [02:19] kk [02:19] hey wait [02:19] yeah i know [02:19] typos in my last commands [02:19] modprobe -r [02:20] yeah? [02:20] /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf stop should be /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 stop [02:20] no .conf on those commands [02:20] kk [02:20] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "Changing server" [02:20] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [02:21] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:21] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [02:21] nullboy, what chmod is it to allow me to edit wpa_supplicant.conf? [02:21] no! [02:21] you do it as root [02:21] lolk [02:22] if you let users read wpa_supplicant.conf they can steal your keys [02:22] hah. that'd be fail [02:22] Network security Lesson one! [02:24] daidoji (n=daidoji@71-12-89-107.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:25] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:26] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:26] xeon: your sister may use a live system (such as slax), from a cd/dvd or even installed on hdd as a secondary boot option [02:26] yeah i formatted it, this was a while ago [02:26] bitch has a brand new VAIO now [02:27] :) [02:27] OH FUCK [02:27] VAIO = suckage. [02:27] thanks for reminding me! [02:27] that laptop could be used as a server ._. [02:27] does the wifi work? [02:27] nullboy, i'm slow, alright? (: [02:27] FOCUS [02:28] yes, master. [02:29] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:30] nullboy, on WLAN_WPADRIVER[4]="wext" [02:30] yes [02:30] does it matter if i use wext or the already filled in #WLAN_WPADRIVER[4]="ndiswrapper" [02:30] iwl3945 uses wext [02:30] change it [02:31] make it look exactly like was in the paste [02:31] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:31] and make sure you uncomment the lines... [02:31] yeah i did, lol [02:32] nullboy, can I PM you? [02:33] i'm 89/m/HORNY [02:33] i'm 13/f/wherever [02:33] i'll take that as a yes [02:33] bahahah. [02:36] kk done [02:36] running commands [02:38] done, didn't lose connection [02:38] try running iwconfig as root [02:38] what does it show you? [02:39] wlan0 is connected to my AP [02:39] does it show: Encryption key: SOME LONG NUMBER [02:39] lol yeah. [02:39] cool [02:39] all good [02:39] xeon: and ifconfig wlan0 shows an IP? [02:39] yeah [02:39] you're all set then [02:40] and i can connect to my AP config [02:40] Thanks, I guess I'm lucky it worked ;P [02:40] First try, that is. [02:40] yep, that will auto connect to your AP every boot up [02:40] yeah, no 'noauto' :( [02:41] xeon: if you connect to multiple APs just add more blocks like the one you just did to wpa_supplicant.conf [02:41] you have have as many as you need and they can be a mix of WEP, open, wpa,wpa2 [02:42] *unplugs eth0* [02:42] xeon (n=xeon@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:42] xeon (n=xeon@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:42] cool, works. [02:43] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [02:44] nullboy, I will have to run that command every time I want to start my wireless? [02:44] anyone know how to check against .svf check sums? [02:45] xeon: no [02:45] kk, thanks nullboy! :D [02:45] xeon: it will work automatically at boot as long as the card is turned on [02:45] if it fails to connect ever just try this: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 wlan0_restart [02:45] kk [02:47] freebse (n=freebse@a89-183-17-65.net-htp.de) joined ##slackware. [02:48] here are different config blocks for pretty much all the commonly used AP settings: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/9865 [02:49] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:52] steerpike (n=Unknown@unaffiliated/steerpike) left ##slackware. [02:53] nullboy, bookmarked [02:53] nullboy, do you use KDE? [02:54] Action: Old_Fogie mumbles 'mo-haaa-veee' [02:54] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:55] i use kde [02:55] 3.5? [02:56] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [02:58] renew01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-164-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:58] q [02:58] hiccup [02:58] yep - one too many times [02:59] =0 [02:59] puff puff [03:00] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:00] nullboy: I am loving vbox ! I am going to try kvm next, does kvm support installing via iso images as well as cd/dvd install disc ? [03:01] Action: dtanner needs to read the docs on kvm =) [03:01] Action: Old_Fogie bends down to pick up pencil and let's a silent but deadly into ##slackware [03:01] good morning Old_Fogie [03:01] Action: dtanner runs [03:01] hahaha :D [03:02] hey how are you dtanner ? :) [03:02] dtanner: yes [03:02] Old_Fogie: did you get a chance to check out my gifts my gf fot me form the cigar shop ? [03:02] did you see my ugly mug in one of the pics ? [03:02] yes I did ! wow she's a keeper huh ? ! :) [03:02] nullboy: is kvm setup all via cli ? [03:03] Old_Fogie: indeed [03:03] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [03:03] yes I did :) [03:03] I think I need to grow a beard and/or goaty, as all these "IT" types have one (and a ponytail too) :) [03:04] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:05] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:05] yeah , i just cut my hair not too long agon , it was down to my belt almost, bangs and all, NO MULLET here. I grow it all or nothing =) [03:05] haha [03:05] my hair is just over 16 inches [03:05] I am going to give the hair to "Locks of Love" for chilldren with cancer and loss of hair due to the chemo/radiation [03:05] my hairs not but... [03:05] dtanner: hey i was going to do that same thing [03:06] when i finally decide to cut it at least [03:06] nullboy: yeah , i put it in a ponytail and "whacked" it off and have it still in the pony tail in a ziplock baggie. I need to take it on in to Locks of Love [03:07] brb refilling coffee mug [03:07] hey so on sunday my knee popped really bad and it has been hurting ever since...then 5 minutes ago i changed positions and my injured knee popped again really loud and immediately 40% of the pain was gone [03:07] knees are gnarly [03:07] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [03:08] it was like some connective tissue moved in the initial injury and 2 days later it moved back into position [03:08] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:08] good lord that hurt [03:09] nullboy: funny you mention that [03:09] nullboy: i went to Physical Therapy yesterday and after my workout my left knee has been hurting very bad ver since [03:10] just wait til' you get off the chair and you hear stuff crackle you didn't know you had, that's living I tell ya. [03:10] i though they were supposed to help ! =) , i dunno it must have gotten twisted or something [03:10] i've been through physical therapy for my other knee too [03:10] Old_Fogie: yeah my lower back and neck are hella shape [03:10] yup [03:10] I have stuff heart me I dont think they got names for [03:10] when my neck pos and crackles it is loud in myy old eardrume =) [03:11] s/pos/pops/ [03:11] hurt [03:11] oh yea I stopped looking straight up years ago [03:11] that ain't happening [03:11] hehe, no names for it huh? =) [03:11] ok i gotta go for a bit [03:11] bbiab [03:12] I gotta lean back with one arm on something and give a half twist to see up yonder. I figure if God meant for me to see it, he'd have put it lower any how. [03:13] vzoltan_ (i=c3e4282a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-408c6403d5a48bc5) joined ##slackware. [03:13] they say cod liver oil is good for your joints. [03:13] jonsmith1982: i will remember that [03:13] mindbendr (n=neveraga@80.68.37.171) joined ##slackware. [03:14] these Netflix commercials are hilarious to me "you too romantic comedy !" [03:14] Action: dtanner snickers [03:14] although probably just lack of exercise causing the problem [03:14] nullboy: did physical therapy for your knee help a lot ? [03:14] Slackware's not excercise! Heathen! /me get's the flack cannon out. [03:15] jonsmith1982: probably so , but i have been working out on the elliptical and the bike at physical therapy [03:15] Well, "jumping thru hoops" to get gnome 2.25 to compile *has* to count for something :) [03:15] physical exercise, sorry :) [03:15] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:16] Man! next your gonna tell me chain smoking in a small room ain't beneficial either aren't you :) [03:16] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:17] My back probably hurts from falling off the roof one too many times I figure. Tho I had a good fall as a teen off a motorbike too, probably getting me back now. [03:17] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [03:20] i've had a few close calls on bikes. [03:20] nearly got run over by a tractor after crashing into me mate not long ago. [03:21] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:22] woh [03:22] he's ok too? [03:23] yeah he was ok. he had broken his back on a motorcycle in thailand about 1 year before that though so he was lucky [03:24] oh man [03:25] Action: mohaa pokes Old_Fogie with a plastic hammer [03:25] infernal_jesus (n=igor@unaffiliated/infernaljesus/x-763248) left irc: "Laziness is not a disease, it's a privilege." [03:25] what? no kiss afterwards :) [03:26] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:26] no! kiss = buffer overflow [03:27] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-347875.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[03:37] bbl [03:37] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [03:38] clyphox (n=human@82-45-239-218.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:40] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-59-147.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [03:40] hdy [03:40] hey [03:41] tntslack (n=will@194.219.37.9) joined ##slackware. [03:41] mordy_: hi [03:41] is there supposed to be a directory /etc/X11/dm? [03:41] (not {x|k|g}dm) [03:44] Action: Camarade_Tux doesn't have that directory nor has he ever heard about it [03:44] it's referenced in /etc/X11/xdm/Xsessions [03:46] not here [03:46] you don't have that file? or you don't have xdm? :P [03:47] xdm sucks, but it's the only graphical login amanger that doesn't chew a ton of RAM [03:48] mordy_, try slim [03:48] I have Xsession, without an ending 's' and there is no reference to /etc/X11/dm there [03:48] and I back up what slava_dp just said : try slim [03:48] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-347875.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:48] slava_dp: SLiM uses twice as much ram as xdm [03:49] it's slimmer than gdm/kdm but it's not xdm [03:49] hmmm, I think openbox has a session manager [03:50] Camarade_Tux, the file is Xsession, line 25 [03:50] slim uses 8M here [03:50] it mentions it there [03:50] slava_dp, and xdm uses 3.5 [03:50] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [03:50] mordy_, /me doesn't have that at all [03:50] and this isn't a new machine [03:51] you're probably losing more elsewhere though [03:51] s/though/however [03:51] camarade_tux, i know X isn't exactly a slim application, b uut still, every little bit counts [03:52] mordy_, which browser, which WM and which DE do you use ? [03:53] Camarade_Tux, i didn't pick any yet. i'm planning on using somehting like links with graphics or maybe even dillo/iceape [03:53] still didn't decide yet [03:53] as for de/wm, either fluxbox or icewm [03:53] Action: Camarade_Tux 's X starts at something like 60MB and it could be less than 50MB [03:54] btw, I don't use a login manager [03:54] camarade_tux, i want a login manager just so i shouldn't be greeted by a black screen waiting for me [03:55] haha, google is cool: all i need to do is type in "man xdm" and i get the manpage [03:56] vzoltan_ (n=c3e4282a@67.159.35.76) joined ##slackware. [03:56] if you only have one user, you can probably manage something better by removing the need for a login manager (or by using a fake one) [03:56] yeah, google is cool, but xterm does the same faster :p [03:57] camarade_tux, my client doesn't have xdm and i'm using a single xterm via ssh, so i don't want to open another ssh session just to man xdm [03:57] tried screen ? :) [03:58] what good would that do? i need to have the single ssh session open in order to edit config files [03:58] i use screen almost exclusively for irssi [03:58] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:58] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:59] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [03:59] Action: Camarade_Tux just learned there was a solution to vim's mouse=a with screen \o/ [04:00] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [04:00] is there any script to check if any file contained in an installed tgz package is missing from the system / is corrupted ? [04:03] spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:08] Xvesa+xdm+fluxbox+rxvt = 20MB RAM [04:09] Makaveli_ma_ (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [04:10] mordy_, I was measuring with free so 60MB was _total_ usage [04:10] and if you want to spare mem, avoid virtual desktops [04:11] you mean virtual as opposed to tiling desktops? or those workspaces? [04:11] now i need a decent browser - firefox is horrible [04:11] workspaces [04:11] decent browser ? mine ! =D [04:13] i also need a good way to manage default xsessions.. it's all messed up [04:14] now i have xdm pointing to /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.fluxbox - and i know that's not a good thing. i wish i could have some kind of global file [04:14] i mean local* [04:14] but which one should i use? .xinitrc? .xsession? [04:16] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:16] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [04:21] these things confuse me: which is the most important of the three regarding memory usage? virtual, resident or shared? [04:21] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE91B25.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [04:22] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [04:23] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-255243.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:26] hrm.. how can I get my audio to go to headphones, or better yet automatically play in my headphones when i plug them in? [04:27] Makaveli_ma (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:30] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:39] clyphox (n=human@82-45-239-218.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:41] bombuzal (n=bombuzal@unaffiliated/bombuzal) joined ##slackware. [04:41] Ether_Man_ (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:41] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:42] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:44] xeon: hardware realted, should work [04:45] realtek? [04:45] I don't know any card that does not block speakers when plugin in Headphones [04:46] it is a hardware problem, maybe broken [04:46] lol headphones don't work [04:46] hardware is all good [04:46] Just bad driver [04:47] d0htem (n=d0htem@unaffiliated/d0htem) joined ##slackware. [04:52] hahahah seriously every time i go to the putty page, i can NEVER EVER find the download for it >_< [04:54] vzoltan_ (n=c3e4282a@67.159.35.76) left irc: "CGI:IRC (EOF)" [04:56] dammnit [04:57] lol i can't believe i almsot entirely set up this sytem to work all by myself [04:57] still need to isntall a viable browser and disable dbus [04:58] why disable dbus ? [04:59] it takes up a lot of memory - and people have suggested it.. although looking at what it exactly does (which is still relatively obsucre to me) i don't know.. [05:00] it basically seems like some kind of interface between the kernel and some gui applications [05:01] like gui pop ups and the like... i'm not sure though :/ [05:02] Action: mordy_ smiles as he sees the XFree86 package contains xeyes :) [05:03] no, it's an interface between various applications and is a freedesktop standard afaik [05:04] it can be used for various things, gui pops up, but also other things [05:05] well the only thing i'm really planning doing on this gui is browsing and xterms [05:06] maybe some other basic utilities... would be nice ot have somme sensors too, if they aren't too heavy [05:07] basic utilities == text editors and viewers [05:09] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:11] does the slackbook have a better description of packages and whats required? [05:14] no [05:14] is there any resource like that? [05:14] if it's required it says requiered otherwise it says optional [05:14] if you need more info about the packages, google it [05:14] that'd help [05:15] packages.slackware.it? [05:16] thank you soo much [05:16] seems that doesn't say which ones are required? [05:17] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) joined ##slackware. [05:17] w t f? [05:18] no it does, im just wanting a better series description [05:20] but this website provides that :) thx [05:20] pidgin just got banned from the icq network :-/ [05:21] lol [05:21] Any chance someone could tell me how to install PuTTY or openssl? [05:21] xeon, install on what? [05:21] lol, slackware. [05:22] i want to use irc with ssl [05:22] i believe openssl is bundled with slack. [05:22] oh really? [05:22] oh wow [05:22] it is [05:22] openssl-0.9.8i-i486-2_slack12.2; openssl-solibs-0.9.8i-i486-2_slack12.2 [05:22] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-255243.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:22] /FAIL [05:22] Now the next question is [05:23] How to use it, xD [05:24] slava_dp, yeah, how do I use it? xD [05:24] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [05:25] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [05:25] xeon, can't help you there, sorry [05:25] ah kk [05:26] xeon, try your irc client settings. if it's compiled with ssl support, there should be a configuration option to use it. [05:26] just reading here im guessing i dont need tex? [05:26] d0htem, you don't :) [05:26] cool i thought [05:26] ^so [05:27] pprkut (n=hwiesing@gw.fh-burgenland.at) joined ##slackware. [05:35] cool, got it to work [05:35] bedtime [05:36] seeya. 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[06:41] or with wicd [06:42] ath0: interface doesn't support scanning: network is down [06:42] ifconfig wlan0 up [06:42] oh hell yeah [06:43] THANKS, Camarade_Tux [06:43] :) [06:43] it was actually ifconfig ath0 up [06:44] hehe, I was too used to doing that for my adapter ;p [06:50] http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3517/3215391224_48181e2965_b.jpg [06:50] service patches utilities from 1999 lol [06:51] I was suprised they all used CRTs ;p [06:51] lmao [06:52] http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3309/3214542667_d13c6fedaa_b.jpg [06:52] and it was pretty fat book of them [06:53] I'm sure there were some floppys :p [06:53] *floppies [06:53] just CD's [06:55] Action: Zordrak looks around to check for nullboy [06:55] Action: Zordrak bitchslaps lw0x15's apostrophe [06:55] Zordrak, :p [06:56] gotta go, see you later [06:56] bloody exam [06:57] lol [07:11] jiraia (n=jiraia@189.27.65.227.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:14] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. 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[08:08] "We have to provide a new toner cart to an offsite contracting business tomorrow for a printer we dont have in-house -- you do have some spare dont you?" [08:09] Old_Fogie:ok thanks [08:09] Old_Fogie: iptables... [08:09] anyone have link how to install the mysql on slack.. [08:09] Zordrak, is it on by default? is there an /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall by default? [08:09] ruben23: ?! [08:09] ruben23: installpkg mysql [08:10] Old_Fogie: dont know about default buh certainly *has* capability [08:10] ruben23, after you install it be sure to read the /etc/rc.d/rc.mysql script for info on using it. [08:10] Zordrak, that wasnt the question [08:10] 13:08:37 < Old_Fogie> ruben23, actually, Slackware doesn't have either of the two items you mention. [08:11] just responding to that [08:11] Zordrak, look man two times this week your a complete pain in my ass ...guess what you won a trip to ignore land. And *NO* slackware does not have a *firewall* as there _IS_ no /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall script. [08:12] Zordrak:got this when i use installpkg mysql http://pastebin.com/m54a4bcd2 [08:12] but, the init scripts in slackware will run rc.firewall if it exists [08:12] ruben23: again, mysql is isntalled by default [08:12] remember the trick I showed you yesterday? "ls /var/log/packages/mysql*" [08:12] Old_Fogie: chill [08:13] Old_Fogie: seriously [08:13] thrice`:yeah sorry my mysql configuration is messed up..cant connect to my server... [08:14] well, that has nothing to do with installing mysql, then :> [08:14] thrice`:thrice`: [08:14] no thats- twice [08:14] thrice`http://pastebin.com/m30c32f39 [08:15] well, run "ps aux | grep mysql" [08:16] the 'ps aux' shows all running commands, the grep mysql will only show those that have mysql in the name [08:16] ruben23, after you install it be sure to read the /etc/rc.d/rc.mysql script for info on using it. [08:16] you cant just install it, then run the daemon, there's other items that need be done first as in that script [08:16] sorry, I must start working. good luck! [08:17] Old_Fogie yes im reading it now.. [08:17] ok [08:17] you are fighting with mysql for some days now, ruben23 [08:17] Action: nooper cuddles his db [08:17] yeah having hard times but still fighting... [08:18] if that stuff in that script is new to you, then yeah you won't get anywhere's real fast [08:19] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) joined ##slackware. [08:20] http://pwnie-awards.org/2008/awards.html [08:20] must read [08:22] Old_Fogie: ohh..its hard for real...can't get the idea.. [08:24] ruben23: issue "mysql_install_db && chown mysql:mysql /var/lib/mysql" as root. And you gonna have a working mysql server with a blank root password. [08:25] ruben23: then just start it as /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld start [08:26] whoops, no, you have to chown -R mysql:mysql /var/lib/mysql [08:26] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.22.227) joined ##slackware. [08:26] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:26] slava_dp: http://pastebin.com/m4514f76f [08:27] got that error on mysqld start... [08:27] ruben23, have to be root [08:27] im on root [08:27] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [08:27] do me an "ls -l /etc/rc.d" [08:27] slava_dp:need to input password..? [08:28] nope [08:28] slava_dp -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2585 2008-04-29 05:54 rc.mysqld [08:28] thats the output.. [08:28] chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld [08:29] then start it [08:30] slava_dp:then how do i input data.. [08:30] ruben23, so it started? [08:31] slava_dp: can you check this...http://pastebin.com/m20d9b926 [08:31] slava_dp:thanks for your patience... [08:32] ruben23, if you have set up apache and php, you could install phpmyadmin. That tool simplifies things a lot. [08:32] yeah, it started [08:32] mysql tools are nice too. there is also an ok gui on SBo [08:33] slava_dp: then how do i access to mysql> to insert data...? [08:33] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [08:33] just run "mysql" [08:33] ruben23, get a gui [08:34] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/development/mysqlcc/ [08:35] slackytude:ok...i will...but one more thing i run mysql but got still an error like this....http://pastebin.com/m23787657 [08:35] slackytude, w00t, didn't know about that gui, thanks for the hint [08:35] tntslack (n=will@adsl32-140.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:36] slava_dp, no sweat. the gui tools from mysql site are better, tho [08:36] ruben23, looks like mysql server isnt running [08:36] ruben23, ps aux | grep mysql [08:38] slackytude:slava_dp: got this http://pastebin.com/m6aa7efb0 [08:38] ruben23, what the heck is your mysql binary doing in /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysql ? did you install the official package? [08:38] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [08:38] supposed to be /usr/bin/mysql [08:39] slava_dp: wooh...i messed it up....what would i do.. [08:39] do me a "which mysql" [08:41] slava_dp /usr/bin/mysql [08:41] and if you installed mysql from source (i wonder why you would do that), uninstall that first, then uninistall the package, then install the package back again. Hopefully that'll do..... [08:41] ruben23, hmm, should be all right then [08:41] ruben23, dunno why it doesn't connect then [08:42] server not running [08:42] slava_dp:ok so first uninstall it first... [08:42] or it creates the socket at a different place [08:42] slackytude, http://pastebin.com/m6aa7efb0 [08:43] --socket=/var/run/mysql/ [08:43] the cient looks in /tmp/mysql.sock [08:44] misconfiguration caused by messing with the installation [08:44] what's the problem? can't connect with mysql? [08:44] what lang? or jsut mysql prompt? [08:44] *just [08:44] just the client [08:45] ruben23, so you have messed it up by installing an alternate mysql version from source as far as i understand. Or was it something different? [08:45] when i start a new mysql i usually run as root mysql_install_db first [08:46] this command also have an option to set up the correct owner for the tables [08:46] sombriks, he did that already. can't connect to his db due to a wrong socket [08:46] slava_dp:i think your right..im thinking....mysql is not default installed in slack... [08:46] if you can, try to figure if you have tables in /var/lib/mysql [08:46] sombriks, thats not the problem in this case, however [08:46] oh [08:46] ruben23, it is [08:46] ruben23, it is installed by default [08:46] ruben23, as you have been told the last three days [08:47] slackytude: yes it was to late...coz when i ask help i laredy done it... [08:47] ruben23, your problem right now is that your client in /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysql looks for the socket in /tmp/mysql.sock [08:47] ruben23, do you have the source for mysql which you installed from? [08:48] but the socket gets created in /var/run/mysql/mysql.sock [08:48] ruben23, you have to cd to it and make inunstall [08:48] slackytude: yes..copy that...so have to uninstall....it..? [08:48] *uninstall [08:48] yes i have.. [08:48] ok ill do that.. [08:48] ruben23, I would enable networking for mysql and use a GUI client that allows TCP connections [08:48] or tell the client where to find the .sock [08:49] but you dont want t use the mysql bash client anyway [08:49] slackytude, the mysql shell is ok for browsing your tables :) [08:49] so, enable networking [08:50] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.161.26) joined ##slackware. [08:50] slava_dp, maybe but you can do that in most gui tools too [08:50] dguitar (n=dguitar@cpe-72-224-221-147.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:52] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:53] Action: slackytude is sittiing in databank lecture and is bored [08:53] slava_dp: is it possible if i unistall the packgae then i used the source for mysal installation... [08:53] slava_dp: is it possible if i uninstall the package then i used the source for mysql installation... [08:54] ruben23, ok, listen up. what you should do, is go to your mysql source and issue "make uninstall". [08:54] ruben23, then do "removepkg /var/log/packages/mysql*" [08:55] ruben23, then you have to insert your slackware disk and install the mysql package from there using "installpkg /path/to/package" [08:55] ruben23, locate the package manually on the disk, i think it's in ap/ or somewhere [08:56] ok copy.. [08:56] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:00] systemloc (n=lol@pool-72-91-143-198.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [09:01] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [09:01] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:01] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "rehash" [09:02] slava_dp: you havent given up yet? [09:02] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.212) joined ##slackware. [09:02] Zordrak, dunno. Just wanna help if i can. [09:02] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [09:03] Zordrak, i just wonder how one can mess up his system..... [09:03] sometimes you can't help people, if they don't help themselves. ;-) [09:03] the guy just needs to stop doing and start reading [09:04] Makaveli_ma (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [09:04] Zordrak, i guess you're right. [09:04] slava_dp: he must be right :) [09:05] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [09:05] im not usually harsh about it cause sometimes docs arent too clear or can be easy to misinterpret.... but in the case of "Installing MySQL on Slackware"... [09:06] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:06] what is wrong on that ? [09:07] Only that it comes with Slackware. [09:07] Makaveli_ma: you missed the start of the conversation [09:07] Zordrak: OK :) [09:08] for heavens sake he is working for three days on it now. everytime I login he asks the same questions, he gets helpfull answers and comes back with a borked system [09:08] indeed [09:09] cut your losses :) [09:09] everytime he gets told that, yes, there is mysql in slack and yet he still comes back with a source install off it [09:10] even the links in the channel topic tell him how to do it... [09:12] can i have my side..on the issue...:-( [09:12] Action: slackytude shrugs [09:13] nobody forbids you to talk but I dont care anyway [09:13] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:15] slackytude: yeah your right i guess im just to confident doing it without enough knowledge...ill just do reading first... [09:16] but tthanks anyway..ive learned form that fault... [09:16] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[10:21] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [10:22] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:22] hi [10:22] hi [10:23] neuro_sys (i=neurosys@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) joined ##slackware. [10:24] zGhost (i=dave@adsl-68-79-134-12.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) left irc: [10:25] zGhost (i=dave@adsl-68-79-134-12.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [10:25] slava_dp:my mysql server now is working... [10:25] ruben23, my greetings to you [10:26] ruben23, did you reinstall like i told you? [10:26] neuro_sys (i=neurosys@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) left irc: Client Quit [10:26] hello i want to count the number of times a grep string is found in a files, how to do so? [10:26] | wc -l [10:26] Zordrak, thank you [10:27] yes ive done it all...im inputing all the data now [10:28] slava_dp:thanks again...jedi master....:-D [10:28] You did read /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld right? [10:29] Dominian:yep.. [10:29] good [10:29] Most people fail to do so [10:30] Dominian:if a may ask do i start a program automatically on slack...is it with /etc/rc.d/ [10:30] ruben23, http://noobfarm.org/?id=1392 -- those are my jedi skills [10:30] of course [10:30] ruben23: depends on what you want to start as well. [10:30] ruben23: what is it that you want to start? [10:30] Dominian:if a may ask how do i start a program automatically on slack...is it with /etc/rc.d/ [10:30] asterisk.... [10:30] ah [10:31] with that.. probably add its start up command to rc.local [10:31] and add its shutdown command to rc.local_shutdown [10:31] and make sure that both rc.local and rc.local_shutdown are +x [10:32] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Client Quit [10:32] Dominian ok got it.. [10:35] neuro_sys (n=asd@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) joined ##slackware. [10:38] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.212) left irc: [10:40] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.76.54) joined ##slackware. [10:41] Dovid (n=annon@tony10-21-27.inter.net.il) joined ##slackware. [10:41] hi. on slackware how can I have a virtual IP ? [10:41] i want to have a public IP and private IP on the same network card [10:42] ifconfig eth0:1 [10:42] ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.0.1 [10:42] fevel (n=fevel@189.106.117.86) joined ##slackware. [10:42] rc.inet1.conf [10:42] in that file ? [10:44] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-347875.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:44] well you could just do what i said on the command line but when you reboot it, it would disappear [10:44] you can just put it into /etc/rc.d/rc.local [10:44] i don't remember would that be ok to have in rc.inet1.conf [10:44] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:44] oh ok. so just run that from the cmd line [10:45] icestorm (n=sch1z0@62.42.177.188.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "..(cyp): BitchX: the ONLY three day cure!" [10:45] ok and for the servers primary IP I should have it in rc.inet1.conf ? [10:46] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:48] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.22.227) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:49] yes [10:50] wierd. I have it in rc.inet1.conf i did ifconfig eth0 restart however it still shows the old ip even thougj. i changed it in rc.inet1.conf [10:50] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [10:50] sorrry I am a noob to slakware [10:52] and yes to mindbendr... rc.inet1 will crap out if you add alias to inet1.conf since it expects eth$NUMBER. number being 0 - 5 [10:52] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [10:53] you could modify rc.inet1 ofcourse... but I see no reason, (i'm using rc.local for aliases) [10:53] Dovid: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 eth0_restart [10:54] or [10:54] Dovid: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart [10:54] Dovid: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart [10:54] jinx [10:54] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [10:55] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.76.54) left irc: "Leaving" [10:55] ah. that "jinx" joke is international. good to know. [10:55] lol [10:57] zGhost (i=dave@adsl-68-79-134-12.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) left irc: [11:02] wise man once told [11:02] "When you know Slackware, you know Linux... when you know Ubuntu, all you know is Ubuntu." [11:03] why there's always ubuntu talk in this channel? :p [11:03] eww-buntu [11:03] P4C0: ever heard the term "whipping-boy" ? [11:03] can someone help me with a time output: real says 42m, user 30m and sys 2m. Where are the missing 10 minutes? [11:03] rk4n3, yes :) [11:04] lw0x15: that sentene was in circulation musch before Ubuntu existed... (most of the time refering to rpm distributions) [11:04] P4C0: that's basically the answer to your question - there's a natural tendency to "whip" the "boy" nearest and easiest to do so :) [11:04] s/sentene/sentence/ [11:05] yup [11:05] by the way, how is 12.2? i haven't got the time to upgrade [11:05] awesome [11:05] like every other release [11:05] ;D [11:05] awesome, better than ever [11:06] :) [11:06] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "#E>6C" [11:06] wait... this is a slackware channel.. I thought this was for Ubuntu!? [11:06] ;) [11:07] Dominian, yes, as well, it's a dual channel [11:07] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [11:08] lots of guys here fix ubuntu problems, for fun :p [11:08] heh [11:09] Action: pprkut wonders who stole his time.... [11:09] (slackware problems are not that fun anymore) [11:09] slippin away .... t i m e . . . [11:09] snicker @ P4C0 [11:09] todakure (n=todakure@189.58.154.135.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:10] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.82) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:10] this VM business is rather cool ( i never tried it until here lately ) [11:11] VM business? [11:11] slackbunny (n=slackbun@173.9.254.98) joined ##slackware. [11:12] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:13] so... is it possible to install slackware over the network with a really old hardware that doesn't support network boot at all? [11:14] if you can install linux in a fridge [11:14] why not ? lol [11:15] there's contradicted documentation on the slackware ftp about that [11:15] P4C0: you can install from an NFS share, but you'll need to boot the computer from something - slackware CD or whatever ... [11:15] P4C0: Sure you can. Just boot an installer cd on the old hardware, and use ftp/http install. [11:16] P4C0: ... or what jkwood said, too :) [11:16] rk4n3, jkwood no cd, no usb boot, just (maybe) floppy [11:17] on slack ftp there's something about a floppy image that will try to boot and contact tftp server for the boot and all of that, but one readme file says it work with every hardware and the other says it works only with bios that can boot from net [11:17] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:19] i will give it a full read of those docs first [11:22] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) joined ##slackware. [11:22] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) left ##slackware. [11:25] The-spiki: what does that mean? Jinx [11:25] doesn't it something like punk/shit [11:25] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [11:26] "Jinx" is something traditionally said after you have said the same thing at the same time as someone else. [11:28] lielaisKK (n=kaspars@94.30.138.9) joined ##slackware. [11:28] wahcordian (n=wahcordi@gw-nat.cnm.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:29] I think the original tradition came from the idea that, if two people had the same idea simultaneously, it was the work of Satan or witchcraft. [11:29] So, it's kind of a ward against evil, if you will. [11:29] Hi people! I have been using Ubuntu for some while, and want to look for other Distro. Now I cant decide Debian or Slackware [11:29] choose debian [11:29] ah. didn't knew about that either (tradition part). ql [11:30] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:30] has anybody used lilo within a kvm guest os that is set to use virtio_blk (virtio block device) ? I keep getting errors from lilo that /dev/vda is not a master boot device with partitions (funny, it does have partitions and all) [11:30] lielaisKK, debian [11:30] +1 thrice` [11:30] So whats the big difference between Slackware and Debian? Slack is easyer, its good, its fast and secure. Than why Debian more popular? [11:30] p4C0, very funny [11:30] slackware doesn't manage dependencies [11:30] "More popular" is a funny term... [11:30] lielaisKK: bush was more popular [11:30] I use console anyway [11:31] if you want that, use debian. If you want to control your packages, use slackware [11:31] Bush was :p [11:32] lielaisKK, slackware is linux... debian is linux... so both of them are linux, both of them equally easier, good, fast and secure... all this fast/secure/good comparation between linux distros is non-sense [11:32] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h183-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:32] except gentoo, which of course is zomg-faster [11:33] thrice`, really? you spend like 5 days compiling all your software... and what you get? 2 and a half nanosecond faster due to cpu optimization? [11:33] that's because it's all compiled with -O6 -funroll-loops [11:33] at *least* [11:33] I just am interested in Slackware. As far as I have read, its good and dont have Flash restrictions as Debian. And I didnt liked Debians debranding of FF and few other. [11:34] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:34] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:34] flash restrictions? [11:34] lielaisKK, if yo uare interested in slackware, then give it a try [11:34] lielaisKK, if you don't want to install it to try it, try slax [11:34] Its harder to get Flash on Debian, than Ubuntu, Austrumi, or any other I have used [11:34] lielaisKK, or install it in a virtual machine [11:35] kireyt (n=hosemanu@246.Red-88-2-25.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [11:35] lielaisKK, flash? you mean flash player from adobe for webpages and that? [11:35] yes [11:36] when any question is put to a crowd, the "most popular" answer is likely to be incorrect, as the ratio of intelligence to population is typically low [11:36] lielaisKK, why is it more difficult to install? [11:36] the main difference is package management. some people like apt because it does everything for them. others hate that fact, which is why slackware leaves it off [11:36] yep, slackware, as I know, uses Yum. [11:37] lielaisKK, yum? [11:37] lielaisKK: no. [11:37] rk4n3: which explains britney spears' entire career... [11:37] lielaisKK: try Ubuntu [11:37] Urchlay: indeed :) [11:37] im currently usig it xD [11:37] lielaisKK: no, slackware uses pkgtools [11:37] It's official: ubuntu is the ultimate, debian is excellent, slackware is crap. [11:37] http://www.hiprank.com/debian-vs-slackware-vs-ubuntu.html [11:37] lielaisKK, how do you install flash on debian? [11:37] Urchlay: well, that and nice boobs [11:37] it does *not* handle dependencies [11:37] now I kniow why Debian is more popular. [11:38] rk4n3: anyone can buy nice boobs though [11:38] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.54) joined ##slackware. [11:38] Urchlay: ah, touche [11:38] lielaisKK: slackware is for people who want to lean everything they can about Linux and how it works [11:38] you want to see nice boobs? i had found the best ones ... wait i will get that link [11:39] ubuntu is for people who don't want to know anything [11:39] ÿ P4C0: flashpugin-nonfree [11:39] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.172.201) left irc: "leaving" [11:39] I want to, because I swithched some while ago, than I liked all Linuxes I have used so far [11:39] (not making value judgements, the world needs both types of people) [11:39] ÿ P4C0: flashplugin-nonfree [11:39] and debian is for drug users (like rms and his crew) [11:40] ÿ P4C0: and also libflashsupport, maybe gnash and mozzplugger [11:40] Ill try to read more, and as allways Install it on my 2nd HDD :) [11:40] DasEi: ÿ <--- WTF is this character that's showing up after your nick? supposed to be there or I have a flaky client? [11:40] lielaisKK, DasEi so debian has a package for flash... then it shouldn't be "more difficult" to install [11:40] DasEi: it is ofcourse possible to use flash on debian. firefox being rebranded as iceweasel should be a non issue to anyone... etc... yes, debian is ok. nobody here said it is crap (today :) [11:41] But not the original :p [11:41] thanks guys, now Ill know who to bother if Ill have any other questions :) [11:41] lielaisKK, well slackware doesn't have a package for flash... as far as I know [11:41] ?? [11:41] lielaisKK (n=kaspars@94.30.138.9) left irc: [11:41] P4C0: and it is equally easy to use flash on slackware too [11:41] The-spiki, i know [11:42] flash is one file [11:42] The-spiki, i was just wondering why lielaisKK was saying that flash installation in debian was difficult [11:42] The-spiki: Is what I wrote above,.. [11:42] clyphox (n=human@82.45.239.218) joined ##slackware. [11:42] Urchlay: crappy sign ? [11:43] DasEi: I dunno, now it's not there [11:43] 11:48 ÿ P4C0: and also libflashsupport, maybe gnash and mozzplugger [11:43] k [11:43] those are nice boobs: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3248/2882762087_026e64dc4e_o.jpg don't you think? [11:43] 11:50 Urchlay: crappy sign ? [11:43] the day I need a package to wrap one file and stick it where it needs to go is the day I need to stop using computers [11:43] P4C0: that woman is going to sober up the next day and be completely amazed that she's married... [11:44] Urchlay, lol [11:44] P4C0: nice. too big for my taste though [11:44] ÿ P4C0: in ubuntu ibex you got to use flash 10 beta, which was to be done by hand first (but worked well), don't know it's status now [11:44] DasEi: I dunno what happened, I just now (last week) started turning on utf-8/unicode support in my xterms, I'm probably doing something wrong [11:45] there it is again. Apparently, any time DasEi directly addresses P4C0, I'm getting this weird character [11:45] DasEi, i have no idea what flash plugging i have... installed it long time ago... with couple of days after 12.1 release [11:45] s/plugging/plugin [11:45] Urchlay: k, and I just started using slack, dealing manual installing x [11:46] mindbendr (n=neveraga@80.68.37.171) left irc: "boom" [11:46] one question... about gentoo... does it strip the binaries before make install? [11:47] ask #gentoo [11:47] TwinReverb, rude [11:47] P4C0: seriously ... why would you ask about gentoo in here ? [11:48] P4C0, it's not rude, it's the truth [11:48] we don't know. [11:48] it's part of growing up: learn how to find the answers for yourself. to borrow the analogy, teach yourself how to fish. [11:48] rk4n3, everyone ask about ubuntu here... i'm just following that :p [11:48] much less google would probably work too [11:48] Buggaboo (n=bug@ipd50a4203.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:48] it's not rude, it's just the truth: i'm helping you help yourself. [11:48] P4C0: people don't ask about ubuntu here, they make comparison-oriented comments ... huge difference [11:48] TwinReverb, that will be true if I really wanted to know the answer of my question [11:49] if you didn't want to know, why did you ask? now you wasted both your own time and mine as well [11:49] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58yWohcMhxQ [11:50] Action: Zordrak has chosen the new webserver's name [11:50] TwinReverb, just in case that someone here using gentoo will tell [11:50] Apu [11:50] Because it serves our customers and is always on duty [11:50] P4C0, um no offense but finding a slackware user that also uses gentoo is probably going to be the most rare thing on earth aside from maybe truth to evolution's fairy tales :D :P [11:51] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [11:51] that's like finding a ubuntu user that also uses freebsd (i guess) [11:51] guys, KNetworkManager is base network manager for slackware, right? [11:51] wahcordian (n=wahcordi@gw-nat.cnm.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [11:51] what do you mean by base network manager? [11:51] i use the shell for that stuff [11:51] network manager does not exist in slackware [11:52] ok [11:52] TwinReverb, yes, you are right, my fault :) [11:52] so only ifconfig, iwconfig, iwlist and such, right? [11:52] the closest thing is probably /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf but around here us slackware people prefer the most elegant solution, not necessarily the most graphical [11:52] so much about "people don't ask about ubuntu here".... [11:52] Mad_Dud, no, handle network with rc scripts [11:52] or rc.local if you prefer [11:52] Mad_Dud, try this: http://p4c0.wordpress.com/2008/10/07/slackware-121-wi-fi/ [11:53] ok, but i have newbie, who cries because he can't point-n-click to connect to wifi [11:53] TwinReverb: wicd is only for wireless? [11:53] (yes! now I'm a spammer now!) [11:53] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:53] thx p4co, thx guys [11:53] I actually do know some people for whom "most elegant" is the same as "most graphical"... most of them own macs though, and pay through the nose when they break [11:53] alisonken1home: It also does wired. [11:53] I was under the impression that wicd was available under /extra [11:54] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:54] Im going and not coming back until the freaks leave and normal slackware service is resumed [11:54] Good luck with that. [11:54] huh? [11:55] Dominian: Zordrak's comment :) [11:56] alisonken1, i don't know what it's for. i don't use it. sorry. [11:56] no, wicd handles wired and wireless. and it IS under /extra [11:56] Zordrak, can you identify the freaks? [11:56] Urchlay, true, i think mac is absolutely awesome, but still, after watching vista do weird krap, linux for me. [11:57] dretch (n=unnamed@124-8-13-24.dynamic.tfn.net.tw) joined ##slackware. [11:58] alisonken1home: wicd does/can handle wired (ethernet) too [11:59] renew01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-164-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:59] I like the pantherine theme for fluxbox - its I nice approximation of a Mac look, yet still lean/fast [11:59] alisonken1home: yeah I see that [11:59] P4C0: gentoo does strip binaries (but you can set it to not do it if you want) [11:59] s/its I/its a/ [11:59] just noting for the point-and-click friend that ther e may be alternatives to /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [12:00] wicd ftw [12:00] after playing with a mac for a few days, all linux mac-like themes are absolute horse @#$ [12:00] they're nothing like it [12:00] does the wicd make the changes to init scripts so networking can be available before starting x? [12:00] (except that one OS 9 theme, that one seems very realistic) [12:00] P4C0: wicd is started as a daemon as the system starts.. so.. yes [12:00] i still prefer gtk themes after using mac [12:00] TwinReverb: I agree that they're not a "comprehensive" equivalent, but some of the look is still nice [12:01] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [12:01] :) [12:01] TwinReverb: actually, all I want is the brushed-metal title bars and the sweet little buttons, and that's all I get :) [12:02] kireyt (n=hosemanu@246.Red-88-2-25.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:02] TwinReverb, P4C0: gentoo does strip binaries (but you can set it to not do it if you want) :) :) :) [12:02] screw that. i like clean and fast [12:02] P4C0, i don't care, and yes i saw it [12:02] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [12:02] :D [12:03] That's what she said [12:03] uva (i=bono@118-160-174-221.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:03] jkwood: ? i'm male [12:03] that's what she said... in bed? [12:03] P4C0: just because someone happened to answer your question once doesn't mean you won't annoy people with the practice of asking OT questions [12:04] tuvok302_ (i=vircuser@h183-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:04] to me it wasn't annoying [12:04] i was just trying to help him out [12:04] i'm not in position to do anything productive in the last few hours, so i'm active on irc... [12:04] as someone who's been told that before [12:05] pay it forward [12:05] Action: TwinReverb is getting ready for bed while irc-ing [12:05] The-spiki: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=that%27s%20what%20she%20said [12:05] rk4n3, yes I know, i don't usually ask about other ditros [12:06] Action: DasEi coning back later, if x won't do [12:06] P4C0: ok, point delivery successful then :) [12:06] but this channel has always been a bit OT... and I think that's what i like most... [12:06] DasEi (n=m@f054229188.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [12:06] ever met anyone who got the point but still insists on discussing it? [12:06] Action: TwinReverb still does that some times, bad habit [12:07] :) [12:07] jkwood: nice. i get it now. ql. [12:08] haha [12:08] dretch (n=unnamed@124-8-13-24.dynamic.tfn.net.tw) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:08] It's my mission to say that at the most inappropriate times. [12:08] "I can't get my printer to work in Linux." [12:08] "That's what she said." [12:09] but that sounds appropriate [12:09] [ in bed ] [12:09] jkwood: "That's what she said." [X] in bed. [12:09] lol [12:09] LMAO [12:09] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) joined ##slackware. [12:11] besides xchat, what other (graphical) irc clients slackware ships with? or which is the one you usually use? [12:12] xterm -e irssi is good [12:12] hehe [12:12] thrice`, better than bitchx? [12:12] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:12] yes. [12:12] i mean bitchx is based on irssi right? [12:13] no. [12:13] pprkut (n=hwiesing@gw.fh-burgenland.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:13] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [12:13] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:13] P4C0: it ships ksirc, but everybody uses konversation (sbo script available) ... (gui irc clients) [12:15] konversation is good, if you use kde. [12:15] The-spiki, thanks, I'll give it a try [12:15] irssi, while not completely gui, is arguably the best [12:15] xchat [12:15] .... fail. [12:15] i'm using xchat at the moment, but a kde app sounds better to me :p [12:15] sh0ne (n=Unknown@79.101.163.212) joined ##slackware. [12:16] but I agree with thrice` .. screen + irssi [12:16] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [12:16] thrice`++ [12:16] P4C0: Your bus is leaving [12:16] thrice`++ [12:16] Zordrak, That's what she said. [12:16] Zordrak: the short one? ;) [12:17] P4C0 consistently scores a big ol' figure on the failometer [12:18] Zordrak: You /do/ remember the nick he was in with the other night right? [12:18] no he doesn't! [12:18] BP{k}: no...? [12:18] noone does [12:19] hello BP{k} [12:19] ( clueless27) [ ... ]or maybe i used the one i always use when i'm not asking embarassing questions like this (P4C0) [12:19] lw0x15: ola. [12:19] wtf does "ftw" stand for ? [12:19] always wanted to ask that [12:20] google it [12:20] for the win or fuck the world [12:20] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ftw [12:20] ~$ wtf ftw [12:20] ftw: ftw (3) - file tree walk [12:20] hehe [12:23] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.48.235) joined ##slackware. [12:23] I looked up P4C0 [12:23] ? [12:24] P4C0: n. 1. Person genetically predisposed to failure 2. Fail 3. One who consistently fails [12:24] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h183-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:24] it's right there nt the tubes! [12:24] s/nt/on/ [12:25] it must be true then [12:26] :( [12:27] Perhaps it's just a Manuel thing [12:27] ref: Fawlty Towers [12:28] manual [12:28] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [12:28] O_o [12:29] o0 [12:29] Srbo (i=1000@p4FE91B25.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [12:29] P4C0: Are you correcting my spelling or just saying manual? [12:30] Yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [12:30] Zordrak, the answer will depend of... what are you talking about? i lost track of conversation... like 10 minutes ago [12:31] whats a good pdf reader? [12:31] Zordrak: good one. P4C0 has failed one more time (you capitalized M, so you didn't meant "manualy" [12:31] with more print options than xpdf [12:31] The-spiki, what's my score now?? i'm definetly going to win this one! [12:31] Omega_Red (n=Thiago@201.59.78.105) joined ##slackware. [12:31] man, word plays are exhausting [12:33] P4C0: I don't know nor do I care. I've answered few of your questions so obviously don't remember you from before :) [12:33] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [12:33] enough from me for today. bye... [12:34] The-spiki, bye [12:34] Obviously I was referring to you, Manuel, and Manuel from Fawlty Towers and your similar dispositions to living in the Fail District [12:35] i have never watched Fawlty Towers, sorry :p [12:35] *headdesk* [12:35] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:36] did it hurt? [12:37] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [12:39] Cann0n: KPDF works fine if you have KDE installed and want to use those apps. xpdf works, but it's a little clunky. epdfview is a little nicer than xpdf, but has some troubles of its own. [12:39] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-203209.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:40] fevel_ (n=fevel@189.106.117.86) joined ##slackware. [12:40] In other words, there's no universal, really good open source PDF viewer that I've found. Many use the proprietary acrobat reader instead. [12:40] yeah. im having problems printing with xpdf [12:40] lpr doesnt seem to work today [12:41] ill use kpdf [12:41] fevel (n=fevel@189.106.117.86) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:41] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [12:42] btw kghostview is another (my) choice :) [12:43] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:44] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:45] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [12:46] i installed Slackware in my computer and i wanna put the computer like a server...the sequence is: [12:46] a cable modem - wireless router - computers [12:46] wamaral (i=1000@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [12:46] put the computer like a server? [12:46] i want to put like this: [12:47] cable modem - server - wireless router - computers [12:47] ok [12:47] So..you need a machine with two nic's [12:47] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h183-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:47] dnsmasq works really nice for that [12:47] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) joined ##slackware. [12:47] You want Slackware to be your router? [12:47] P4C0: err...what? [12:48] dnsmasq does...dns [12:48] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:48] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [12:48] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] Dovid (n=annon@tony10-21-27.inter.net.il) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:48] Omega_Red: "put the computer like a server" isn't exactly what you mean. What you mean is "I want to use Slackware as a firewall for my LAN." [12:48] straterra, yes and dhcp, i supposed he will need that... or will the nat be done in the wireless router? [12:48] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "toytoy has no reason" [12:49] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-203209.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Freedom is secured not by the fulfilling of one's desires, but by the removal of desire. So to a mind that is still the whole [12:49] Action: Dominian firewalls Alan_Hicks [12:49] straterra: the cable modem is already connect to eth0... [12:49] kama_ (n=kama@host149-114-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:49] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [12:49] P4C0: NAT != DHCP [12:50] i want to connect eth1 the router wireless in eth1 [12:50] is the cable cross-over? [12:50] i dont know..is it? [12:50] is it a gigabit nic? [12:50] Also..I imagine you dont want a crossover [12:50] no...i'm asking you if i have to put a crossover cable...=) [12:50] No [12:51] Omega_Red: You should read this carefully. http://lizella.net/networking_101.txt [12:51] straterra, I know, but for server i understand firewall, dhcp, dns and nat, but then he said about the wireless router... so [12:52] Alan_Hicks: thnx! [12:52] maybe a bridge between the two interfaces [12:53] p4c0: yes...that's it... [12:53] p4c0: i want to put a bridge between the two interfaces [12:53] no you dont [12:54] Omega_Red, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-bridge-fw.en.html [12:54] NOT A BRIDGE [12:54] Turn off NAT on the wireless router [12:54] configure NAT/DNS/DHCP on the linux machine [12:54] done [12:54] You do not want a bridge of any sort [12:54] Omega_Red, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bridge+Firewall.html [12:54] ... [12:55] P4C0: did you read ANYTHING I just typed? [12:55] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-68c47778e2480706) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:55] straterra, why if he can't turn off nat on the wireless router? [12:55] Who said he can't? [12:55] I bet you $50 he can [12:55] straterra, what's wrong with making a bridge anyways? [12:55] Because there is no noticable gain [12:55] You have little to gain with that setup [12:56] You still rely on the router appliance to do port forwarding and such [12:56] You don't firewall before the nat device..thats a bit pointless..your ISP already does some of that [12:56] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-12adebad24c3ed5f) joined ##slackware. [12:56] straterra: thank you for your help, man! [12:56] Omega_Red: No problem. If you read through that twice, you'll have a MUCH better understanding of how TCP/IP works; it'll really help you grasp the concepts and prevent you from making stupid mistakes that you can't figure you way out of. [12:57] np [12:57] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:57] thank you everybody! [12:57] evo_ (n=evo@wrzb-5f75a34f.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [12:57] Omega_Red: For a beginner..I like Shorewall. Makes getting NAT up and going VERY easy [12:57] That's personal preference though [12:57] Alan_Hicks: thank you, man! i'll read it! [12:57] P4C0: Additionally, if he turns his Slackware box into a bridge he can't then use it for any other network services such as a e-mail server or DHCP or DNS. [12:58] its a space heater that passes packets..SWEET [12:58] how do i print in xpdf? should just be print with cmd: lpr right? [12:58] I want one of those! [12:58] Just ssh'ing to the box in that situation would be damn near impossible. Most wireless routers aren't smart enough to use IP aliases for example. [12:58] Alan_Hicks, true as well, but I'm almost sure i have seen wireless routers that doesn't allow to disable the nat [12:58] Public IP on WAN,... static Private IP on LAN side.. Iptables configured to NAT... Wireless router does DHCP etc.. and DHCP issues default route to clients... whichi s the slackware router... done. [12:58] Dominian: I'd just as soon turn off DHCP on the AP too [12:59] P4C0: I've never seen one, and I've worked with a lot of them. [12:59] well..route.r.but yeah [12:59] straterra: why? [12:59] P4C0: I have not seen one lack that either [12:59] if you're going to use slackware as a firewall only.. why bother? [12:59] Dominian: not all the DHCP setting in those appliance routers let you set the gateway, etc [12:59] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Success [12:59] Well..its not going to be a firewall only [12:59] He wants it as a router/firewall [12:59] depends.. linksys will if you configure it with an internal IP gateway for the LAN IP subnet. [12:59] Right..but..I find it easier to manage all in one place [13:00] Dominian: Maybe he just wants to learn about netfilter? [13:00] just do it all on the linux machine [13:00] And that's just as good a reason as any for doing it this way. [13:00] i'll double check when i get home [13:00] double check on what? [13:01] how do i print in xpdf? should just be print with cmd: lpr right? [13:01] Cann0n: We saw it the first time [13:01] straterra, if the old and cheap wifi gears that I have can work without doing nat [13:01] Yes..they can [13:01] gears aren't even for networking o.O [13:02] straterra, didnt see an answer did you? [13:02] Cann0n: lpr -Pprinter_name [13:02] been trying that. [13:02] Cann0n: No..but everyone who saw the question the second time also saw it the first time [13:02] i guess its not a PEBKAC [13:03] straterra, didnt appear that way buddy. shush please. [13:03] I'm not your buddy [13:03] i know. [13:03] Children, play nice. ;-) [13:03] I'm always nice. [13:04] Alan_Hicks, already handled. i use ignore features instead of trolling. :) [13:04] trolling? [13:04] I think someone needs a correct definition of that word. [13:04] Cann0n, does your lpr works for printing other stuff? [13:04] ThunderWolf (n=chmod777@bl7-209-97.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:04] it used to [13:04] But thats cool [13:04] Cann0n: What version of Slackware? [13:05] 12.2 [13:05] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-60-30-252.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:05] Cann0n, used? not anymore? did you upgrade or change the config? [13:06] i used to have no problem in 12.1 [13:06] rebel07 (n=rebel07@86.60.57.64) joined ##slackware. [13:07] clyphox (n=human@82.45.239.218) left irc: "Leaving." [13:07] Cann0n, i don't know much about printing to be honest... but it sounds like you need to reconfigure it, are you using cups? [13:07] Cann0n: It's possible that your printer has just been stopped. This happens all the time with laptops that go into suspend mode IME. [13:08] is phrag still an op here? [13:08] yeah. i dunno much amount printing myself. i really need these documents. im trying to get a job [13:08] tuvok302_ (i=vircuser@h183-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Connection timed out [13:08] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:08] Alan_Hicks, i dont use suspend mode [13:08] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "brb" [13:08] it prints with FF3 [13:08] Cann0n: he didn't say you did [13:08] straterra: if yes, probably shouldn't be :> [13:08] Cann0n, are you on kde? [13:09] fluxbox [13:09] how do I run an X aplicaton after calling the su command to became a root ? Under X of course cause I get terminal not found or something .......... [13:09] Cann0n: http://localhost:631 [13:09] its set up [13:09] just lpr doesnt want to work for me [13:10] paul424, if you are on kde you can use kdesu for that [13:10] Cann0n, check the printer part and make sure it's ok [13:11] Cann0n, also there's an option for printing a test page, try that too [13:11] its the set as default and its set up right. FF3 prints with it [13:11] Omega_Red (n=Thiago@201.59.78.105) left irc: "Fui embora" [13:11] yeah that works [13:11] l4m4_m4n (n=l4m4m4n@83.218.195.61) joined ##slackware. [13:11] hello [13:11] Cann0n, do a ls -lh /usr/bin/lpr [13:11] evo- (n=evo@wrzb-5f759522.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:12] where can I get arts >= 1.3? [13:12] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2008-12-24 11:21 /usr/bin/lpr -> lpr-cups [13:13] pls, help! [13:13] where can I get arts >= 1.3? [13:13] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:13] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [13:13] well, i must go to an interview at 2. time is a factor today. :( [13:13] l4m4_m4n, watch out, straterra doesnt like things repeated in here [13:13] bye straterra [13:13] ok [13:13] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Leaving" [13:13] P4C0: ok thanks [13:14] Cann0n, let me try to print something with xpdf [13:17] l4m4_m4n, sorry to ask this, but why you need arts for? [13:17] Nick change: ThunderWolf -> Bife [13:17] P4C0: celestia [13:18] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-58-226.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:18] l4m4_m4n, it doesn't work with alsa? [13:18] hey, thats pretty cool [13:18] when i try to install it asks for arts [13:19] l4m4_m4n, configure script? [13:19] :) [13:19] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [13:19] l4m4_m4n: not too difficult: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.5.10/src [13:20] Nick change: Drgb -> BOFH [13:20] clavius: I could not find it [13:20] thx [13:20] rebel07 (n=rebel07@86.60.57.64) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:20] yw [13:21] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-91-181.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] Did anyone come accross the problem of crashes after choosing the "end current session" under KDE ? [13:21] I like the fictional addons, Babylon5, 2001: A Space Odyssey [13:21] l4m4_m4n, but if possible try it set it up with alsa dmix [13:21] P4C0: why? [13:24] l4m4_m4n, it's a bit messy, and currently unsopported [13:25] P4C0: thx [13:25] l4m4_m4n, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARts [13:29] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:31] Action: dtanner hates his onboard soundchip [13:31] wakeup (n=wakeup@koln-4db43c42.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [13:31] hi folks [13:31] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:31] Action: dtanner loves his Sony CYbershot dsc-w55 [13:31] I am currently fiddling with iptables, and wondered where the log, and config are located in slackware? [13:32] there isn't a config [13:32] logs are typically in /var/log [13:32] log is /var/log/messages unless you have syslog filter it out [13:32] Did anyone come accross the problem of crashes after choosing the "end current session" under KDE 3.5 ? anyone please [13:33] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-12adebad24c3ed5f) left irc: [13:33] been working for me on slack 12.1 and slamd64 12.1 [13:34] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h183-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:34] straterra: so I restore the rules in rc.inet2 or what? [13:35] err, what? [13:35] /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall will take em [13:35] thats what I was looking for thanks [13:35] np [13:37] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [13:37] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) joined ##slackware. [13:38] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.118.231.224.wireless.dyn.drei.com) joined ##slackware. [13:39] josemanuel (n=josemanu@11.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [13:39] beep [13:40] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:41] evo- (n=evo@wrzb-5f75a73d.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [13:43] bogo (n=sin@host86-166-178-248.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:44] Hello, I have two hard disks. If I install slackware on hard disk B without installing a boot-loader, and then I configure grub on hard disk A, add an entry to boot slackware from disk B, should work right? [13:44] yes [13:44] straterra: thank you [13:45] np [13:45] bogo: thats the general idea [13:45] wahcordian (n=wahcordi@97-123-74-19.albq.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:46] bogo: now while you're installing you can go find a better ISP [13:46] P4C0: how do I configure script for celestia? [13:46] Zordrak: hmm indeed.. what do you recommend? [13:46] bogo: Assuming you install GRUB correctly. [13:47] Alan_Hicks: grub is already installed and works [13:47] bogo: Anyone that resells Entanet [13:47] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:47] bogo: I use ADSL24 personally [13:47] Zordrak: I see [13:47] k_wolf_ (n=wolf@201009155142.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:48] Zordrak: need to reboot to install slack, bb [13:48] bogo (n=sin@host86-166-178-248.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) left ##slackware. [13:48] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-166-69-205.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:51] damnnit... its not bad enough that qt4 will take all night to build.. it'll be downloadng for another 90mins yet [13:53] k_wolf (n=wolf@201008242072.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:54] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:54] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[14:02] when I try to install Celestia thru sbo it asks for arts [14:02] now I try another install [14:02] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Saindo" [14:03] paul424, mount -a [14:03] i've noticed that the slackware network configuration file somewhat resembles what you get in hp-ux [14:03] l4m4_m4n: if it asks for arts you will need arts to be installed. If you don't want arts, try adding --without-arts or --disable-arts to the build options in the script [14:04] pprkut: thx [14:04] l4m4_m4n: another option would be to change the interface from kde to gtk (with a big loss of functionality though) [14:04] pprkut: I will try first option [14:05] pprkut: thx [14:05] np [14:05] is there a known way to mirror slacky.eu ? [14:05] Bife (n=chmod777@bl7-209-97.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:05] BrunoX1ambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. 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[14:56] nix_chix0r, and then slackware isos and such need to get up on bittorrent [14:56] best router ever linksys wireless g wrt54gl [14:56] gl? hahah, no [14:57] wtr54g v2 is the best [14:57] linux powered [14:57] pah [14:57] it was free:D [14:57] i got the v3.1, which is very good [14:57] house warming gift [14:57] the v1 kinda sucks, and anything past the v4-5 sucks [14:57] nix_chix0r, you got a giant mansion now? [14:57] i've seen nothing but amazing reviews for this one [14:57] my school had wtr54g v2 [14:58] in every room [14:58] lol [14:58] insert_ (n=xinsrt@189.71.152.149) left ##slackware. [14:58] edman007, i have a 4bedroom house [14:58] lw0x15_, steal em [14:59] i dont go school anymore :( [14:59] :( [14:59] my school uses expensive APs [14:59] my college has two MAC labs [14:59] no linux labs [14:59] :( [14:59] dual band PoE symbol APs [15:00] oh yeah? well my fridge runs linux [15:00] hehe [15:01] once i get access to a lab [15:01] it will be linux powered [15:01] and i was like sudo make me a fried egg sandwich, and it got a kernel panic cause i wasnt using slack [15:01] lol [15:02] ok last time i did youtube fullscreen [15:02] nix_chix0r, did you debug it and write a patch? [15:02] i had to restart slack [15:02] P4C0 (n=onetwo@200.124.22.34) left irc: "Leaving" [15:02] lets hope i wont have to this time [15:02] or at least install slack? [15:02] no i used all my monies and i bought a new one [15:02] edman007, you're like the only one who got me a gift so far other than the crib the bfs mom gave us [15:03] lol [15:03] P4C0 (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) joined ##slackware. [15:03] well i need the pony [15:03] evo- (n=evo@wrzb-5f75b058.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [15:03] ez shipping not drop it off? [15:04] Action: chopp sends nix_chix0r some baby wipes [15:04] :) [15:04] send me about 200 more diapers too [15:04] oky doky [15:04] nix_chix0r, there is a horse farm on campus here, just ship the pony over here [15:04] well go ride it home [15:05] pony man [15:05] vastina (i=1002@64.215.163.3) joined ##slackware. [15:05] lul baby is kicking the shiznit out of me i think he is like omg mom you plugged me into the internets again i can finish compiling [15:06] lakislav (n=lakislav@77.77.53.128) joined ##slackware. [15:06] nix_chix0r, you are going to pay for me to go over there and pick it up? [15:06] edman007, sure put it on my tab [15:07] under bob saget inc [15:07] need help: I have slackware 2.4.33.3 I just try to change 100mbit ether i put new one RTL8169sc gbit ether, but when i do netconfig, seem like there is no lan card instaled [15:07] is RTL8169sc Gbit ether compactible with slakware [15:07] spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) joined ##slackware. [15:08] nix_chix0r, alright [15:08] lakislav: load the right module [15:08] pls I m noob how [15:08] lakislav, uhh...you don't have slack 2.4.xxx (thats your kernel version) [15:08] whatever you are running is old [15:08] try upgrading to a newer version [15:09] wow, already an interesting channel [15:09] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h183-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:09] ok this is 2 years old system, Ill try 2upgrade it [15:09] and if its a GigE card that is probably why, i don't think many GigE cards, if any, are supported by a 2.4 kernel, its just old [15:09] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host70-44-dynamic.7-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:10] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [15:10] nix_chix0r, the airport says thats a fake and i'm probably getting scammed, plz provide correct infos [15:11] :P [15:11] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-029-230.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:13] Action: Zordrak pulls the pin and runs [15:14] Action: edman007 puts the pin back and gives it to Zordrak [15:14] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [15:14] haha if 2.4 is old, then now i feel old, i began back in the 2.2 days [15:14] ipfwadm haha! [15:14] Action: Dominian wonders if he was even born during the 2.2 days... [15:15] arny (n=arny@79.119.150.199) joined ##slackware. [15:15] hola :) [15:15] Dominian, linux started in the 90s IIRC, are you claiming you are 10? [15:15] :) [15:17] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.76.54) joined ##slackware. [15:18] evo_ (n=evo@wrzb-5f75ac64.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:19] edman007: Ok.. I was using 2.2 then [15:19] I just couldn't remember [15:19] its been a while [15:19] wakeup (n=wakeup@koln-4db43c42.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "leaving" [15:19] ?? [15:20] infernal_jesus (n=igor@unaffiliated/infernaljesus/x-763248) joined ##slackware. [15:22] I'm liking some of this codeweavers work I've been throwing onto my 12.1 and 12.2 boxes here to access our exchange server through outlook, but have to say, there's nothing like mutt [15:22] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.76.54) left irc: Client Quit [15:22] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-026-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:22] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:23] hehe [15:24] anyone else in here experienced with exchange e-mail access from *n?x [15:24] ? [15:24] I am experienced in avoiding MSexChange. [15:25] rob0: my envy to you sir, some of us aren't that fortunate with "home office" executives [15:25] todakure (n=todakure@189.58.154.135.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:26] vastina, well the apple stuff integrates nicely with linux [15:27] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:27] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:28] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:29] edman007: with a fbsd framework, i'd hope it should! [15:29] =] [15:30] vastina, yea, and its much easier to get non technical people on Mac then it is for linux.. [15:30] at least less work on my part [15:30] FUSE works, NFS works [15:31] true, i do like how FUSE has been working on the 12.X releases [15:32] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "fui" [15:32] vastina: running Outlook via citrix is what my company supports [15:32] in my case it's much easier to get non-technical people on that other os than it is mac, why ruffle their feathers? farm then in your network [15:32] vastina: it has its ups and downs, but generally usable [15:33] rk4n3: using citrix for our AD, and i'd agree [15:33] vaseline! [15:33] sh0ne (n=Unknown@79.101.163.212) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:33] rk4n3: doubt i'll ever trust a whole outlook install through citrix though, i'd rather https owa on a browser in that case [15:34] Action: edman007 has nobody where he works who runs windows at work [15:34] lakislav (n=lakislav@77.77.53.128) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:34] its good [15:34] vastina: lots of companies won't enable browser access, though - I've heard them moan about security issues [15:35] rk4n3: they need better admins :) [15:35] as long as i'm learning on a daily basis, i feel like i'm an okay admin [15:36] vastina: also, isn't the web-based access a fairly limited sub-set of features ? [15:37] rk4n3: yeah, but even that elimination of bloat isn't enough for what i need, i want the message, and the ability to manipulate that message in the means of storage, and professional reply... the rest is too much bloat [15:38] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:38] vastina: agreed - interestingly, my company absolutely prohibits pretty much all of that - absolutely no private/alternate storage of Outlook-based content, etc... [15:40] rk4n3: yeah that is interesting, paranoia much? [15:40] vastina: yeah, no doubt [15:41] ls [15:41] rk4n3: so can you even save your .ost & .pst archives to a local disk? or are they weighing that in a heavy log-serv? [15:42] vastina: no local storage - Domain-level policies prohibiting even creating or opening .ost or .pst files [15:43] vastina: no admin rights on local PC, no local users, everything locked down tight as a nun's bun [15:43] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:43] vastina: ... at least, so they think ;) [15:44] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:45] Nick change: dguitar -> dguitar4 [15:45] DigitalSith (n=derek@pool-96-252-132-221.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:45] Nick change: dguitar4 -> dguitar [15:47] rk4n3: I feel a bit lucky to not be in that sort of environment, honestly I've been out of the game for about 2-3yrs? previously working on serious projects for Lucent in Salt Lake, and Avaya out here in Colorado, but when you get FP(MC)SE's (Fisher-Price Systems Egonauts) trying to plug their slippery gaping holes, you usually end up in a weird environment [15:48] vastina: haha - well said :) [15:48] YaCK (n=Yack@unaffiliated/yack) joined ##slackware. [15:49] now i'm lucky to be the implementor of my old talents in the hospitality business, it's much more laid back, the work i get is the work i put into my "projects" (as my new co-admin puts them) [15:49] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-223.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:49] nice [15:50] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [15:51] I hope to become gainfully self-employed, but am following the $ in the IT circles for the moment [15:51] YaCK (n=Yack@unaffiliated/yack) left ##slackware. [15:51] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl245-48.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [15:51] I unfortunately fell back into that, I was running a beer import/export company for the past 3 years [15:51] sweet - danger of drinking the profits though ? [15:51] beer mmmmm [15:52] haha not at all, i savoured our products and meetings with the head brewers? trade shows? please, try buzz-sessions [15:52] dguitar (n=dguitar@cpe-72-224-221-147.maine.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [15:52] heh [15:53] neuro_sys (n=asd@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) left irc: "Leaving" [15:53] to brew your own beer isnt that hard really [15:53] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl245-48.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:53] to brew beer cost-effectively that others will buy might be more of a challenge though [15:53] the traade shows were amazing... can't get enoug of the great american beer festival! [15:54] rk4n3: absolutely right [15:54] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:54] vastina: ever tried lithuanian beer ? ;P [15:54] lw0x15: probably have, any specific beer you're asking about? [15:54] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:55] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:55] not really [15:55] is there more than on Lithuanian beer ? [15:55] s/on/one [15:56] rk4n3: definately sir [15:56] rk4n3: I know for a fact I've had about three, can't conjure up a name from memory at the moment though [15:57] well, I'm officially a layman then, not knowing much about such beer ... [15:57] my all time favourite beers are from the land of incredible yeast strains though; belgium, can't go wrong [15:57] http://www.svyturys.lt/en [15:57] my fav beer [15:57] I don't know if Blue Moon is truly Belgian, but I sure do lov it [15:58] it's a belgian wit beer made by coors under the blue moon anme :) [15:58] Blue Moon is from Coors. [15:58] name* [15:58] ah, very tasty though :) [15:58] rk4n3: try Avery from Boulder [15:58] I realy liked their seasonal Harvest Moon. [15:58] rk4n3: try their white rascal [15:59] Action: P4C0 wonders if that will ever get here [15:59] vastina: I've had Avery - I used to live in Boulder - Oasis Pale Ale was my favorite [15:59] P4C0: where are you? [15:59] rk4n3: nice! i'll let Adam know... where are you now? [15:59] vastina: panama city, panama... it's like gaza without the bombs [15:59] vastina: Minneapolis [15:59] P4C0: sorry [16:00] rk4n3: why go from beautiful boulder to minneapolis? [16:00] Action: rob0 isn't old enough to buy beer ... my son buys it for me ;) [16:00] DigitalSith (n=derek@pool-96-252-132-221.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:01] lw0x15: can't say i've had that one, but i'l talk to the brewers association and see if i can't find a distributor nearby [16:01] :) it's not that bad... but we have a limited variety of beers [16:01] vastina: well, when I was there, seems the tech job market was flooded with PHDs and other multi-decade experience that would work for peanuts so they could live/ski there [16:01] rk4n3: yeah, the same shit the east coast took on america, california money is taking on colorado it seems [16:02] vastina: definitely [16:02] vastina: Minneapolis is almost like the best-kept secret of the IT world - its a real hot-bed of tech jobs [16:03] ghgh, every city is a secret hotbed nowdays [16:03] rk4n3: really? i'm glad i'm still here in colorado, i know what i know through tonnes of experience and lucky jobs during the 2.2 and 2.4 days with big big names, but i'm not an IT hunter per se [16:04] well, Minneapolis has a truly notable roster of companies: Best Buy, Honeywell, 3M, Target, West Publishing, just to name a few... [16:04] arny (n=arny@79.119.150.199) left irc: "Leaving" [16:04] honeywell is the one that makes system for aircrafts right? [16:04] P4C0: lots of defense-related manufacturing [16:05] well, we still have IBM, Honeywell, Intel just pulled out, Avaya, Lucent, Oracle, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, etc... [16:05] plenty [16:05] must be nice to work there [16:05] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:05] vastina: other good ones are "Kalnapilis" and "Utenos Alus" [16:05] my youth days were spent with those brands lol [16:05] oh yeah, Northwest Airlines was here too (recently pulled out) [16:05] Medtronic is here, too [16:05] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [16:06] lw0x15: I've had Kalnapilis, very crisp with a nice nose [16:06] evo_ (n=evo@wrzb-5f75b985.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [16:06] vastina: are Ball Aerospace and Interlocken still in Boulder ? [16:06] rk4n3: Interlocken yes, Ball looks deserted [16:06] ah... how about Exabyte ? I had a buddy that worked there in the late 90's... [16:07] brb installing a couple pkgs [16:07] exabyte, no clue [16:10] know what i don't like about slack (and someone please correct me if i'm in error) but there should be NO reason why i should have to su to do a pkgtool...and i don't feel like changing perms other than visudo, just seems like sudo works a whole lot better on the BSDs [16:10] err [16:11] i have to su even to do ./xxx.SlackBuild [16:11] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [16:11] you think unpriv'ed users should be able to add/remove packages at will? [16:11] i have to su for anything to get installed tbh [16:11] straterra: no i think sudo should be more robust [16:11] vastina: how isn't it robust? [16:11] $ sudo pkgtool should work [16:11] that's how [16:11] vastina: i think you can set it up to only allow users on group wheel [16:12] P4C0: i did this under the wheel group [16:12] vastina: it doesn't? [16:12] P4C0: no [16:12] evo- (n=evo@wrzb-5f75b058.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:12] vastina: there are two "examples" for the wheel group in the stock sudoers file, use the second one, not the first [16:12] why doesnt it work? [16:13] vastina: ... and, you have to remember to log out and back in after you add yourself to the wheel group to get the permissions update [16:13] rk4n3: yeah, but i don't want the users to perform actions without password [16:13] you mean pkgtool spams another process or shell or something that end's up with the user that called sudo instead of root? [16:13] vastina: OK, then the first one should be fine [16:13] rk4n3: i know... [16:14] rk4n3: and i did the first one, whilst user is on wheel... the output of an attempt at pkgtool or ifconfig, is command not found [16:14] believe me, i read before ranting [16:14] :) [16:14] vastina: ah, that's just a path issue - the sbin directories aren't in normal user' [16:14] s path by default [16:14] Is /sbin in your path? [16:14] vastina: I find that hard to fault [16:14] ahh yep! you got me, thank you! [16:15] Try /sbin/ifconfig [16:15] :) [16:15] becoming too bsd here [16:15] haha [16:15] bsd ain't bad :) [16:15] nah, i adore openbsd [16:15] Better than the other way [16:15] makes a lot more sense to me [16:16] Action: rk4n3 has used various BSD's his whole career [16:16] vastina: better than freebsd? [16:16] P4C0: by far, more secure, more stable, love puffy [16:17] vastina: nice, i was thinking of getting freebsd on my home desktop pc, i will try openbsd as well ;) (but first i need to buy the pc :p) [16:17] spook_ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:17] P4C0: only setback is the gli, no graphics acceleration on obsd because de-raadt finds vc manufacturers to be "pure evil!" [16:17] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) left irc: "Leaving" [16:18] hmm i think i can live without that [16:18] i'd love to retardedly nod my head with him, but i can't until he elaborates "pure evil" [16:19] I personally think the vc manufacturers have been victims in recent years [16:19] rk4n3: elaborate that one [16:20] ... their driver stacks have had to go through idiotic changes to comply with the gyrations their main platform provider has put forth [16:21] rk4n3: well then i'd say you and de-raadt are on the same page and brought light to my understanding, it's their bloat that scares him, and heaven knows how much bloat fisher-price has put them through [16:22] vastina: exactly [16:22] vastina: bloat is the secondary concern - undue complexity is the primary [16:23] well, simplicity has never been synonymous with microshaft [16:23] indeed [16:24] which is why i like openbsd, simple, elegant, wonderful network stack, matured filesystem, and you know the list doesn't stop there, as far as linux, slackware seems to be the only one i can still stomach [16:24] cuz everybody should hack the network stack [16:25] vastina: the kernel source is refreshing as well [16:25] can't stand the whole ubuntu thing i seem to have walked back to [16:25] rk4n3: oh yeah [16:25] i couldn't stand debian alone, let alone these offbeats [16:26] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:26] rk4n3: can't go wrong with GENERIC [16:26] haha [16:26] heh [16:27] tuvok302_ (i=vircuser@h183-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:27] rk4n3: your thoughts on ubuntu? [16:27] vastina: never looked at it [16:27] likewise, looks like overt bloat to me [16:27] vastina: exactly [16:28] dependencies gone wild [16:28] pupit1 (n=p@93.86.1.117) joined ##slackware. [16:28] remove an app and pray for your libs [16:28] vastina: I don't even use Gnome, KDE, Xfce, or any such stuff - just plain X with either fvwm, fluxbox, or even twm [16:29] spook_ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) joined ##slackware. [16:29] i used to do that [16:29] ... sometimes ion, when the mood strikes me [16:30] rk4n3: i don't know mate, i do enjoy xfce and it is lightweight [16:30] here comes the fail........................ [16:30] vastina: so I hear - I'm sure its OK, I just go "meh" [16:30] haha i got a wild hair up my arse at one point and did try beryl... nearly upchucked [16:31] Zordrak: ? [16:31] nm.. he didnt do it [16:31] lol [16:31] Action: vastina could only imagine the compile time of compiz on obsd [16:32] just compiling kde on a 3Ghz box with 2Gb of RAM nearly took me 6 hours [16:33] can we say pain? [16:33] wow - I know Old_Fogie uses distcc to compile KDE and even that takes a while [16:33] rk4n3: fluxbox <3 [16:33] rk4n3: fvwm-2.5.26 and fvwm-crystal-3.0.6 atm i prefer wm's over DE's also [16:34] vastina: how many -j did you specify? [16:34] hector (n=hector@adsl190-28-217-68.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [16:34] lw0x15 | Rat409: indeed [16:34] yuh old_fogie compiled gnome also iirc [16:34] personally i dont think xfce is lightweight [16:34] its to the category of gnome and kde [16:35] lw0x15: i think it's light, but fluxbox is damn nice as well [16:35] Dominian: huh? [16:36] vastina: how many jobs did you tell it to run? [16:36] -j2 -j3? [16:36] always fluxbox for the lightweight win [16:36] always -j5 :) [16:36] yup fluxbox,openbox,blackbox,wm2,ion3,awesome etc. all are nice.e16/e17. i prefer variety. :) [16:36] actually whats the difference between fluxbox/openbox/blackbox ? [16:37] Dominian: i set it to three [16:37] e17 was hell! omfg [16:38] e17 was cake [16:38] no way man [16:38] haha [16:38] well openbox was forked from blackbox,no its own code,all in C. other than no toolbar pretty much the same,but lots more themes for fluxbox,openbox than blackbox,i use pekwm also,very nice [16:38] uhm..yeah way man [16:38] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.118.231.224.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:38] no/now [16:38] lw0x15: blackbox has less features [16:38] blitz (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:38] straterra: e17 i had issues with [16:38] pupit2 (n=p@91.150.106.162) joined ##slackware. [16:38] so fluxbox is a bit more bloaty version of blackbox ? [16:38] Really? I wrote/maintained build scripts for E17..and it was cake [16:39] hmmm cake. [16:39] :P [16:39] lw0x15: I will say yes [16:39] straterra: much prefer e16 [16:39] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-166-69-205.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:40] I tried all the slackware Window Managers and I had to come back to fluxbox [16:41] i use twm [16:41] yuh and box-look.org all have many themes,styles.few other sites are nice also [16:41] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [16:42] Greetings Programs! [16:42] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h183-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Connection timed out [16:42] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:42] vastina: Probably want that at -j2... no 3 [16:42] NyteOwl: hello there, script :) [16:42] vastina: You only have one processor right? [16:42] heh [16:43] hector (n=hector@adsl190-28-217-68.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [16:43] Dominian: actually the obsd box was smp, 2 [16:43] Anyone got a good script for deleting e-mails in an IMAP folder older than n days? [16:43] So its a 3GHz machine dual-core? [16:43] Alan_Hicks: eh? [16:43] I'd hate to re-invent the wheel here 'cause I suck with date arithmetic. [16:43] Dominian: dual processor [16:43] Alan_Hicks: Email client's can do that usually hehe [16:43] vastina: k.. then -j3 will work fine [16:44] LOL [16:44] Dominian: This is my spam folder, so I don't want to have to clean it out with my MUA. [16:44] Barack Hussein Obama [16:44] That would simply take much too long given the ammount of spam I receive in any given day. [16:44] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.43.76) joined ##slackware. [16:44] speaking of e-mail has anyone moved a large amount of Eudora formatted mail into Thunderbird or Mutt? [16:45] Alan_Hicks: haha [16:45] Alan_Hicks: what's your MUA? [16:45] Alan_Hicks: Why allow it to go to your SPAM folder? [16:45] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.216) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:45] P4C0: mail user agent.. ie: thunderbird [16:45] huyhuyhuy (n=huyhuy@asgvnpc09.studentby.uit.no) joined ##slackware. [16:45] Alan_Hicks: Do it right! Get your spam filter to block it BEFORE it gets to you :P [16:45] Dominian: ? [16:45] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [16:45] P4C0: email client = MUA [16:45] thunderbird/kmail/claws mail etc etc [16:46] Dominian: yes I know, i asked which one he is using... [16:46] oh haha ok [16:46] I misread it.. my bad [16:46] :) [16:46] Dominian: This is on the mail server. It already does. What i'd like to do is delete thousands and thousands of messages that SA drops in my spam folder if they're older than n days. [16:46] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-347875.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:46] P4C0: Claws. [16:46] Alan_Hicks: hrm.. [16:47] Alan_Hicks: You aren't using anything like maia mailguard are you? [16:47] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [16:47] NyteOwl: Yes, but there's no "easy" way to export/import it. You have to use some Alan Hicks hackery. [16:47] i think with mutt it's possible to make scripts [16:47] Dominian: Nah. [16:47] Alan_Hicks: then I got nothin... [16:47] I'm too lazy tow rite my own scripts.. noting the fact I don't have the expertise to do so [16:47] Alan_Hicks: I was afraid it wasn't going to be easy heh [16:48] I mean, it would be as simple as "find -older foo Mail/.spam/ | xargs rm" [16:48] right [16:48] The trouble is specifying the "-older" part, particularly since this is an OpenBSD box and doesn't have GNU date. [16:48] NyteOwl: You're gonna love my hackery though. Do you have a spare linux box? [16:48] what about: find Mail/.spam/* -mtime +5 -exec rm {} \; [16:49] yes [16:49] hello my friends [16:49] Just a second. Work calls. [16:49] Dominian: Might be. [16:49] Alan_Hicks: yes, on 8.2 and 10.1 on the laptop [16:49] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-71-204.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:50] Alan_Hicks: make a test copy of you r.spam folder [16:50] 12.1 on this box [16:50] Alan_Hicks: run the test on it [16:50] NyteOwl: Ouch! Those are pretty old! [16:50] see if it works [16:50] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.218) joined ##slackware. [16:50] NyteOwl: The 10.1 box is your best bet, but it's be easiest if you had something that was 11.0 or newer. [16:50] I don't use either of those machine smuch so haven't updated them [16:50] NyteOwl: Anyhow, here's what you do.... [16:50] I have 12.1 on this box [16:50] Dominian: You're gonna love this next part..... [16:51] NyteOwl: Step 1- Install dovecot. [16:51] Alan_Hicks: oh? [16:51] Step 2- Setup dovecot with IMAP service. [16:51] Step 3- Connect Eudora to an IMAP account on this box. [16:51] Step 4- Copy your e-mails in Eudora to the IMAP account. [16:51] Step 5- Connect your other MUA to this same IMAP account. [16:51] BrunoX1ambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [16:52] Step 6- Enjoy. [16:52] Optionally, you could connect your other MUA to this same account using POP3 and just download the messages directly to your MUA. This fully accomplishes the export/import process if done correctly. [16:52] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:53] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:54] Alan_Hicks: ok. not sure that's any easier than a couple of convoluted methods I'd already read about :) Apparnetly a direct imoprt to Thunderbird is possible but looses info in the process [16:54] jets0n (n=jets0n@93-136-4-123.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [16:54] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:54] just finished installing debian via Qemu [16:54] but it should work - and is encouragement to put a newer slock kon the odler box :) [16:54] nice speed using Kqemu [16:55] NyteOwl: Trust me. This setup also works for Outlook Express and Outlook and lets you "export" the e-mails to other computers, other MUAs, other OS's, etc. [16:55] Alan_Hicks: alrighty. I've made a note. I'll let you know how I get along. If you hear an echoing scream ... [16:56] hello [16:56] Just backup your data first and nothing can go wrong. [16:56] we'll promptly ignore it NyteOwl ;) [16:56] can i assign a sd card as /dev/sdb1 and not as /dev/mmcblk1 ? [16:56] Dominian: of course :) [16:56] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:56] pupit1 (n=p@93.86.1.117) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:56] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [16:56] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:57] josemanuel (n=josemanu@11.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [16:59] thanks for the conversations everyone! be back soon [16:59] vastina (i=1002@64.215.163.3) left irc: "out" [17:00] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-223.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:01] hey [17:04] pupit2 (n=p@91.150.106.162) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:08] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h183-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:08] tuvok302-a (i=vircuser@h183-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:08] hey Cann0n [17:08] whats going on? [17:08] Cann0n: did you manage to print the docs? [17:09] yeah [17:09] Cann0n: what was it? [17:09] Cann0n, nothing [17:09] i got there on time too [17:09] good to know [17:09] it was for a job [17:10] trying to get one:P [17:10] pupit1 (n=p@93.86.1.254) joined ##slackware. [17:14] good luck [17:14] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) joined ##slackware. [17:15] tuvok302_ (i=vircuser@h183-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:16] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [17:23] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [17:23] fAu (n=fAu@82.193.26.75) left irc: "42" [17:23] w00t [17:23] bigpaws (n=karl@plns-64-111-131-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) left ##slackware. 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[17:35] i have to do that for my mother in law [17:36] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [17:36] P4C0: you get along good with the MIL ? [17:36] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [17:37] bigpaws (n=karl@plns-64-111-131-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] foureyes779: yes, she currently has slackware 11, no problems... well she complained once about hotmail but a quick upgrade of firefox fixed that... now my wife saw an ubuntu screenshot and she wants me to install that [17:39] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:39] blitz (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [17:40] P4C0: My girlfriend does Photography, and wanted to play with some of the different programs available [17:40] Dovid (n=annon@tony09-121-90.inter.net.il) joined ##slackware. [17:40] Action: eviljames wins! [17:40] My gf has demanded that Ubuntu be removed from the laptop [17:41] In favour of Slackware [17:41] eviljames: :) clear win [17:41] congrats, she's a keeper ;-) [17:41] eviljames: I ihope that she takes to linux, if so I can convert her to Slack a bit later [17:41] my wife uses vista.... she wants me to install ubuntu on her mother's pc before giving it a try... she has used slackware before but didn't like it that much [17:42] hi [17:42] my GF hated Vista, went back to XP Pro [17:42] how I miss using Slackware.. [17:42] how do i know what name that device has ? usb 2-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6 usb 2-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [17:43] I have a Ubuntu VBox setup on her system now [17:43] my mom uses debian + xfce4 [17:43] :P [17:43] Slackware+fluxbox <3 [17:43] I actually like the pkg system with deb/Ubuntu [17:43] Agiofws: lsusb [17:44] huyhuyhuy: same (trying to migrate to Awesome, though) [17:44] i hate dependency slvers [17:44] foureyes779: I don't know much about photography, but I think the available image editors (and alike) for windows are far better than gimp, I may be wrong [17:44] if the math formular thingy in OpenOffice could read my .doc-files I would be using GNU/Linux now.. but instead WinXP :( [17:44] agiofws@ixus:~$lsusb | paste [17:44] Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/mFM1uZ67.html [17:44] sitwon ? [17:44] sitwon: give up.. hehe [17:44] P4C0: I just told her there were more options with Linux [17:44] foureyes779, deb has a nice pkg manager very quick you set up stuff [17:45] but slack is quick [17:45] P4C0, gimp is great [17:45] sitwon: I tried the same.. but had to go back to fluxbox [17:45] Agiofws: yeah, once you setup what repo's you want, it is just a matter of apt-get installand your off [17:45] it saves time .... [17:46] huyhuyhuy: I'm optimistic... I really liked wmii and it pisses me off the Awesome has a different window-placement algorithm [17:46] but slack was my fastest distro ever [17:46] also didt wana go thru all the different plugins to make things work. [17:46] they work almost out of the box [17:46] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [17:46] I know girmp is great, I just said that because my wife works making presentations and she doesn't like openoffice's impress at all... I supposed photoshop, ilustrator and such are also difficult to change [17:47] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:47] sitwon: well well.. good luck.. if I were you I wouldn't bet any money on you keep using awesome, wmii for a long time [17:48] although you are right, Slackware is hella faster [17:48] gnubien (n=e@97.100.255.230) joined ##slackware. [17:49] would be nice with offical amd64 support though [17:49] true [17:49] 64 is the future [17:50] how is slamd64 going? [17:51] pretty good i think [17:51] or is it deepblue? [17:51] slamd64 is just fine :) [17:51] there is even Adobe Flash Player for Linux 64-bit now.. only waiting for Skype to do the same [17:51] last time I read about deepblue, I saw several people angry at the way it was lead (ripoff ?) [17:51] mordy (n=mordy@pool-141-157-227-30.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:51] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:52] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [17:53] Camarade_Tux: there was something strange there... for sure [17:53] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) left irc: [17:54] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:54] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2+2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [17:55] hmmm, we should maybe ask Sculy and Fox :D [17:56] well, not that strange [17:56] i got amd64 lol [17:56] and i use regular slack [17:56] whats the advantage of slamd64 [17:57] kunwon1_ (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) joined ##slackware. [17:57] from what i've read, more addressable memory and faster code because more registers are available [17:57] any idea if i would notice a difference ? [17:57] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:58] lw0x15, depends on what you do [17:58] lw0x15, if you have so-called "multimedia" apps, probably [17:58] foureyes779: she will... Digikam + Amarok were the chief complaints from my gf [17:58] (and some server configs) [17:58] For the record, Skype works fine on Slamd64. [17:58] lw0x15: the only real advantage of 64-bit is the increased memory space [17:58] The main advantage in x86_64 is the expanded memory space. [17:58] foureyes779: In that they worked, but not perfect under ubuntu... and she hated the update manager. [17:58] jkwood: because it uses 32-bit libs [17:58] 64-bit is about memory space, not speed [17:58] jkwood: yeah..i had some problems with skype e.g i cant view peoples profiles [17:58] jkwood: Skype doesn't work in pure 64-bit environment [17:58] huyhuyhuy: And? [17:59] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) joined ##slackware. [17:59] lw0x15: there's a work-around for the profile issue [17:59] See all those laptops being marketed with 3GB RAM? It's the i386 32-bit memory ceiling at 4GB. [17:59] jkwood: so if you want pure 64-bit - no skype [17:59] what does it takes to port something to x86_64? [17:59] sitwon: it was working for a time of period [17:59] but then it stopped again [17:59] P4C0: A recompile, most of the time. [18:00] lw0x15: it's a bug in Skype, it works in KDE but not Fluxbox [18:00] gosh ;-/ [18:00] jkwood: that's what I thought... and checks for over flows and such with types [18:00] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-02e6152466082d85) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:00] rob0: you may be able to answer faster than my google-fu, but aren't the Core2 Duo processors all EM64T, making that whole 32-bit limitation relatively irrelevant? [18:01] heh [18:01] foureyes779: The update manager I think was the biggest annoyance. She wanted a system that "just worked", which is what she perceived Slackware to be. [18:01] http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=203611&st=0&p=1003521&#entry1003521 http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=112337&st=20 [18:01] Actually, there shouldn't be any problems with "overflows". [18:01] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:01] Nick change: kunwon1_ -> kunwon1 [18:01] eviljames: you run into the wireless issue at all with Ubuntu ? [18:01] rob0: I ask because most of the 3GB machines I see are Core2. [18:02] eviljames: The hardware doesn't matter. [18:02] jkwood: true, wrong word [18:02] It's a question of the kernel. [18:02] Ej, I think so, but the 32-bit limitation is in the kernel, not the CPU. You can (and many do) run a 32-bit OS. [18:02] sitwon: thnx [18:02] foureyes779: No, the laptop is less than 1 yr old and all Intel. [18:02] you do an update, and after you reboot sound and wireless quit working [18:02] Such as those laptops, of course they all come with XP. [18:02] or vista [18:02] hm [18:03] and of course, the "FIX" is to download the backports modules [18:03] which are both available in 64-bit vewrsions :) [18:03] mordy_ (n=mordy@pool-68-161-205-124.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [18:03] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) left irc: "leaving" [18:03] which you cant do, because you have no internet connection [18:03] But, 64-bit Windows is not ready for prime time, from what I hear. [18:03] that seemed kinda gay to me.... [18:03] foureyes779, are there changelogs for the updates in ubuntu? [18:04] or are they suprise updates [18:04] rob0: Vista isn't so bad [18:04] surprise !! [18:04] XP x64 was a nightmare [18:04] you get a little icon on your taskbar telling you that you need to update [18:04] and it will tell you what updates are available [18:04] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-89-7-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Connection timed out [18:04] habtool_ (n=habtool@86-41-87-134-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] rob0: I personally ahven't tried them but I know a few people that use XP-64 and Vista-64 and with the exception of drivers for a few bits of older hardware they seem at least as stable as the 32-bit if not more so in Vista's case [18:05] kinda like a Windows box. a real point and click environment [18:05] habtool_ (n=habtool@86-41-87-134-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:05] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [18:05] which was a great selling point for converting Windows users [18:05] until I ran into that problem [18:05] But that's it, the drivers are from all over the place, are there 64-bit drivers available? [18:05] when i installed ubuntu server, it ask if i want notification of updates or automatic updates... i choose automatic, but I can't find any crontab or similar for that... I'll ask [18:05] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:06] greetings and salutations [18:06] Linux Th3r0nZ-biAtch 2.6.27.7-smp #2 SMP Thu Nov 20 22:32:43 CST 2008 i686 AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3200+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [18:06] felicitations andarius [18:07] hello andarius [18:08] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@20150005123.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:09] ali_ (n=ali@89.180.147.99) joined ##slackware. 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[18:10] tntslack (n=will@adsl32-140.ath.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:10] wotcha again andarius :) [18:11] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl245-48.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [18:12] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.43.76) left irc: "Saindo" [18:12] salutations, ello and a wotcha respectively :) [18:12] Linux ion 2.6.23.9 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Dec 21 19:24:35 UTC 2007 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [18:12] :)) [18:12] my box is a wee bit dated :( [18:12] Linux ike 2.6.25-gentoo-r7-ike #3 SMP Tue Sep 16 17:38:40 EDT 2008 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9300@ 2.50GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [18:13] Linux box 2.6.27.7-smp #2 SMP Thu Nov 20 22:32:43 CST 2008 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [18:13] what is the life time of those USB pens btw? anyone tried to have Slackware installed on the USB pen? [18:13] evo- (n=evo@wrzb-5f7588b5.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [18:13] hehe plenty of intel fan boys here : [18:13] Who is an intel fan boy? [18:13] depends on the hardware. you would be best seeking manufacturer data [18:13] Owning intel hardware != fan boy [18:14] fAu (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [18:14] straterra: not pointing fingers :> [18:14] huyhuyhuy: i have, but with slax (live version) [18:14] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [18:14] AMDFanBpy [18:14] straterra: that's the little guy inside your 'puter that waves the big ostrich feather thing infront of the Intel heatsink :p [18:14] P4C0: yeah.. but I was thinking about install with home folder and all that [18:14] lol [18:16] i know dont, i think intels are a bit over priced [18:16] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [18:16] heh [18:16] well some at least [18:16] hi foureyes779, long time no see, i thought those floods washed you out to sea [18:16] Intel just announced a recent round of price drops. 9550's are below $400 US now iirc [18:16] The i7's are CHEAP [18:16] NyteOwl: everyone drops prices at this time :] [18:17] cdrw drives are cheap ;) [18:17] I still can't believe the retial price on a 9770 here is over $2k [18:17] I only have this Intel machine because my work buy's Dell..and Dell has always been Intel [18:18] I bought amd systems from Dell for a while [18:18] hm.. Thinkpad with Intel Core 2 DUo here [18:18] Dell hasn't used AMD in a looonnggg time [18:18] pi31415: must be before they signed a deal with Intel [18:19] did amd fixed their heat problem? they used to get really hot [18:19] Pig_Pen: heh, we didnt get it real bad out here [18:19] AMD's haven't ran hot since Socket A [18:19] we had 1 hwy that was closed due to a landslide, but that was abt it [18:19] kitche: go to dell.com, search for amd, you'll find AMD models [18:19] guess what i just bought for 50 dollars from someone that lives just a few miles away from me, a Kenwood TM-731A works like new [18:20] Pig_Pen: you got that for fitty b00ks ? [18:20] yup [18:20] cool [18:20] Pig_Pen: nice find [18:20] I took your advice and took all that shelving down [18:21] I had it next to my desk, and set a radio on it temporarily and the thing collapsed [18:21] i did the TX mod to it, now it has rx/tx from 137 to 174 & rx/tx from 400 to 500 [18:21] evo_ (n=evo@wrzb-5f75b985.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:21] seems that intel is presently the best bang/buck [18:21] pi31415: only thing I see amd on their site is servers and power machines [18:21] Pig_Pen: that'll make one heck of a FRS radio for ya [18:21] xps 625 desktop, optiplex 740 [18:22] well AMD was having trouble since they could not make their own processors but now they can [18:22] lol, yeah, plus VHF marine, [18:22] you can also use it on the marine bands. BMRS etc etc [18:22] or chat with the local FD [18:22] heh [18:22] pi31415: yes and both of them are power machines [18:22] s/BMRS/GMRS [18:22] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:22] i have never owned an amd processor [18:22] i took the microphone off and locked it in a desk drawer, i dont want kids getting on it [18:23] iyobe (n=iyobe@96.231.216.224) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:23] iirc FRS gear needs to be type accepted [18:23] cool, your all setup now,just need to take a quick & easy test [18:23] i am just using it as a receiver for now [18:23] I like Intel machines probably because they use good chipsets but then again I haven't looked at the AMD ones yet [18:23] iyobe (n=iyobe@pool-173-73-121-111.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] NyteOwl: technically, yes [18:23] yup, there is a local 2meter repeater in town [18:24] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.48.235) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:24] booo, radios :( [18:25] heh [18:25] :P [18:25] radios ftw [18:25] ftl :P [18:25] andarius: shoosh [18:25] No radios after work [18:25] i want to be a ham man when i get older! [18:25] the kids sometimes gets on my cb and chatters on occasion, after i did the mod the first thing i thought was if they started talking on it on the police frequencies (damn would i be in some trouble so i unplugged the mic and locked it up [18:25] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "paz" [18:25] im hoping to get permission to set up an IRLP node on the local repeater here in the next week or two [18:25] there was a while when AMD seemed smart.. they went ddr while intel pushed rdram, they went x64 when intel pushed itanium, and for a while their processors were cheaper and less hot [18:26] Aren't police using digital waves or something ? like phones are [18:26] Pig_Pen: good idea, the poloce take that very seriously [18:26] private [18:26] they have NO sense of humor at all [18:26] gsm etc [18:26] lw0x15: some, not all have gone digital [18:26] Some public safety has migrated to P25 but not all. In fact most have not due to cost. [18:26] i dont blame them though, people lives depend on those radios [18:27] Plus fire departments don't like the digital gear [18:27] the RCMP here are digital trunked but the local cops are still analog [18:27] yep [18:27] you guys are usa based ? [18:27] Action: andarius is in ATL [18:27] USA [18:27] we had a shooting just yesterday where a officer was shot. [18:27] Action: huyhuyhuy - norway [18:27] the city police and county sheriff uses vhf analog [18:27] .pa [18:27] in my town [18:27] they drilled the suspect fulla holes [18:27] Action: NyteOwl is in Canada [18:27] like SpongeBob [18:27] as far as i know englands police are pretty digital these days [18:27] :)) [18:27] only for studying though [18:28] Over there i hear they favor tetra [18:28] east coast US, here, if I'm in time for that [18:28] yup, oklahoma usa here [18:28] Washington state here [18:28] foureyes779: went to see obama?:]] [18:28] abt 100M NW of Seattle [18:28] lw0x15 - wrong washington, I believe [18:29] oh [18:29] lw0x15: uhm no [18:29] state != dc [18:29] p4c0, i chatted with a guy from Panama on the bus, he made it sound like a nice place [18:29] forgot there are two different ones : [18:29] i couldnt see the point of traveling all that way and paying the money to watch Obama on a bigscreen TV [18:29] lots of fish, fruit grows year round, etc. [18:29] eally there is just one washington and the other is called DC now really [18:30] news agencies started to call washington DC just DC so people not get confused [18:30] for what it would'a cost, I could buy a cheap BS TV from Walmart and watched it from home [18:30] I'm about two hours out from DC, but I just stayed back and went to work. youtube at home is better than going to utter chaos in the city [18:30] pi31415: it's not that bad, regular banana republic [18:30] Action: foureyes779 is still confused [18:30] I paid nothing and was given some yummy cookies to watch the inaug. on a huge screen! [18:30] heh [18:30] yummy [18:30] I like cookies. [18:30] Action: huyhuyhuy comes from tha rice republic :p [18:30] cookies !! [18:31] huyhuyhuy - japan, then? [18:31] k00kY [18:31] cookies are good [18:31] china? [18:31] P4E: vietnam.. but studying in norway [18:31] They were from Bill and Hillary (indirectly anyway). [18:31] basmati rice is my favorite [18:31] worked Vietnam on 20M Morse code last week [18:31] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left ##slackware. [18:32] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [18:32] uh oh [18:32] as someone from the US, my ignorance makes me wonder how vietnam is the rice republic when I don't really get any food other than pho when I go to get vietnamese....wait, are those rice noodles? [18:32] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:32] i been hearing a lot of people from the EU on 20 [18:33] P4E: yes.. rice noodles [18:33] Vietnam on 20 thats good, about as far west as i hear on voice is Hawaii [18:33] I guess there's also the term "rice rocket" which tends to apply to hondas [18:33] p4e: we're big in soul food in the US [18:33] '20' ? [18:33] 20 meter ham [18:34] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-a3d41131fef0c946) joined ##slackware. [18:34] pi31415 - I know. totally wish I had some mac&cheese right about now. [18:34] P4E: many vietnamese restaurants where you live? [18:34] oops, seoul's in Korea [18:34] cw gets out further though, where voice would get washed away in the noise cw will bust right through [18:34] if you listen around 11-1 PST most days you can hear Africa a lot [18:34] huyhuyhuy - not a whole lot, actually, but there's at least one or two per reasonably-sized (>50k) city [18:34] 20 meter ham is 14.000Mhz to 14.350Mhz [18:34] on 20M that is. [18:35] P4E: ah.. okey.. something like 3 or 4 Thai restaurants in this city :S [18:35] have yet to work Africa on SSB, but can get into there with CW and PSK31 [18:35] yeah, i did hear just a few from south africia [18:35] yeah, we've got a ton of those... I think 5 or 6 here and the actual city limits is only 45k...though metro is like 150 [18:36] although I did hear Italy on 40M ssb the other day [18:36] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.35) left irc: [18:37] time to go home, cya [18:37] wasn't able to work him with 5000 other stations calling him [18:37] P4C0: later [18:37] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:37] I should ham but the gear is pricy, and then there's the whole tech license (though I guess I don't need to learn morse anymore, that's a plus)....and the amount of interference being insane [18:37] P4C0 (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:37] i can usually talk to people in florida on ssb cb even when there is just a tiny bit of skip, i guess it bounces from the sky and off the gulf of mexico and back [18:38] P4E: take a look at the classified ad's on QTH.com [18:38] used gear at a reasonable price [18:38] sadly, that only solves 1 of 3 problems [18:38] just stay away from the tube gear. unless your technically inclined [18:38] yeah [18:38] and problem 3....the answer is "fat chance" [18:38] I cant use Vertical antenna's here at all because of RFI [18:38] k_wolf (n=wolf@201008242072.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [18:39] I have wire antenna's fed with ladderline, which works fairly well [18:39] as far as talking to the rest of the world, I think I'll just stick to skype [18:40] there used to be a electronic dog fence here, and all the wire buried in the yard seem to pick up the radio signals real nicely [18:40] P4E: you should take a look at IRLP and EchoLink, same concepts [18:40] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] i recently put up a dipole made from aluminum electric fence wire, the wire was too thin so i took four strands and tied them to a tree branch and stretched them out and put the other end in an electric drill and made my own stranded braid wire :D (cheaper than copper) [18:41] as ham, skype, or both? [18:41] P4E: what is the most popular IM client(or protocal actually) in the US? [18:41] i'd say AIM [18:41] yeah, aim is probably most popular here, with msn being second [18:41] then yahoo [18:41] in UK its msn [18:41] no doubht [18:41] doubt* [18:41] P4E: they use an Internet connecion to link repeaters all over the world [18:41] gchat is somewhere in there, I'm not really sure to be honest, and the line is blurred because gchat can do aim [18:41] huyhuyhuy, IRC. [18:42] foureyes779 - oh, neat, so then I wouldn't need gear at all, what about a license [18:42] here in norway MSN (and only MSN).. but in Vietnam *everyone* who use internet have a Yahoo NICK [18:42] so I could be driving in my truck, link to the IRLP node and talk with any country I want to [18:42] P4E: llcense required [18:42] although now the licensing is really a joke. [18:43] I steer clear from MSN (for the most obvious reason) but aim, yahoo, gchat, xfire, I'm down. I picked up gadugadu even because I used to work with a few polish dudes delivering pizza [18:43] I tend to avoid Yahoo as much as possible heh [18:43] I hate to admit that, but I have 1 kid that I helped get licensed [18:43] vietnamese people gets familiar with Yahoo Messenger before IE or Firefox [18:43] what i want to do is find out how to shut off that annoying beep every time there is a mode change in that kenwood, i found a pdf owners manual but it said nothing about the beep [18:43] he studied the night before the test and passed it [18:43] only IM account I have is an old ICQ number [18:43] Pig_Pen: what model was it again ? [18:43] TM-731A [18:44] And I passed the General written without studying at all 10 years ago. Your point? [18:44] ah, I have an ICQ number, it's even 7-digits, but I don't use it anymore [18:44] P4E yes, mine is only 7 , starts with 100 too :) [18:44] nice, 1mil. I'm 110 =] [18:45] I think the "explosion" as it were started around 3-4 mil [18:45] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [18:45] if i only remembered my ICQ number.. it was in the 6's i think [18:45] I haven't used it in a while I can't figure out how to dump my old database to the new format, and remove some people that were accepted as notified at the time [18:45] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:45] so I basically haven't used it much of late [18:46] my uncle had a 5 number ICQ [18:46] hot [18:46] but that was like ages ago [18:46] my grandfather had a 1 digit ICQ number ^^ [18:46] :p [18:46] holy cows [18:46] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176068068.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [18:46] i already exhausted google searching for it [18:46] it started in israel, so most of them there have shorter numbers [18:46] so hungry, cant even type. [18:46] my grandfather actually *talked* to people :P [18:46] :)) [18:47] zomg, speach :o [18:47] BACK IN MY DAY [18:47] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-71-204.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [18:47] [18:47] my grandfather was a ham man [18:47] LY3BT [18:47] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:47] we had a family call [18:47] ok, I think it's finally time to upgrade the ram and harddisk and install slamd64-current [18:47] but i cant remember it :-/ [18:47] man, fluxbox really looks pretty on this laptop [18:48] screen cap ? [18:48] yay 4GB ram and 3.3TB disk [18:48] P4E: nice [18:48] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120121]" [18:48] i like ham radio, so i go to the grocery store and pick up a big ham in the meat dept and took it home and tried to make a radio out of it, it did not work but it sure tasted good :D [18:48] (192GB RAM, 4 GB CF disk here) [18:48] Pig_Pen: :)) [18:48] mordy - wha? [18:49] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.11.20.161) joined ##slackware. [18:49] 192 gb of ram with only 4 gb disk? [18:49] Pig_Pen: you got your call ? [18:49] I think some sort of explanation is required here [18:49] no, but you can call me anything "but late for supper" [18:49] ;-d [18:49] mordy, is it a server farm? [18:49] P4E, it's just an old thinkpad :P [18:50] oh. did you mean 192MB of ram? [18:50] and i replaced the hard disk with a flash disk [18:50] yeah [18:50] sorry [18:50] lol [18:50] Action: andarius wonders how to get 192 gb of ram in a thinkpad [18:50] yeah, I was going to say [18:50] lol [18:50] well, the 64bit memory limitation in linux is 1TB [18:50] please excuse typos. i didn't finish my coffee yet [18:50] so, if the hardware supported it, it'd be theoretically possible [18:50] andarius: pry open the case and pout in enough SODIMMs :) [18:51] NyteOwl you'd need a hell of a lot of solder there [18:51] damn java [18:51] s/pout/pour/ [18:51] lol the motherboard isn't big enough to contain it [18:51] NyteOwl: I don't see enough fitting inside even if I expand the case :| [18:51] just solder ram to every single pin on the mainboard [18:51] I didn't say conenct it but it would be in a Thinkpad [18:51] what's the most ram they can fit on a single chip? [18:51] hit a sight that is heavy with graphics, and everything locks up for a few [18:51] Action: NyteOwl tried to be funny but didn't succeed [18:51] lol [18:52] i think a 2 gig stick is the biggest you will find off the shelf in most pc stores [18:52] ok now that I have answered how 192GB of ram is[n't] possible I'm off to upgrade [18:52] nah, i think they make 4 GB sticks too [18:52] newegg stops for servers at 8 gb [18:52] I've seen 8GB DIMMS but hella expensive [18:53] ii just want to know how much ram can theoretically be placed on a thinkpad motherboard [18:53] catch you later, all [18:53] pupit1 (n=p@93.86.1.254) left irc: "Leaving." [18:53] heh my Thinkpad maxes at 512MB :) [18:53] bye p four e [18:53] P4E (n=tgz@c-98-244-84-118.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "upgrading, thanks jkwood and thrice`" [18:53] that would be more a question for the chipset and support for it [18:53] well that was a total blonde moment [18:53] yup [18:53] they don't necessarily have to be sticks.. sticks just have chips on them.. if you combine enough chip [18:53] lol [18:53] I hae the EXACT same radio [18:53] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134650 [18:54] what about PCI ram? is there such a thing? [18:54] there is/was a pci ramdisk [18:54] PCI card with lots of ram on it [18:54] I would not want to work with the bus speeds though [18:54] ah, i see [18:54] well, you can use anything that has data as swap space [18:54] the bottleneck [18:54] pci bus speed is what, 133 Mhz? [18:55] PCIe might be better for that [18:55] PCIe SSD [18:55] hmm [18:55] how fast is ssd anyway? [18:55] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Local_Bus [18:55] SSDs are very fast [18:55] some more than others [18:56] the new Intels are VERY fast but you PAY for that speed [18:56] PCI = 33.33 MHz clock with synchronous transfers [18:56] SpyKee (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) joined ##slackware. [18:56] oh :-/ [18:56] spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:57] well, the FSB on this machine is 66 Mhz, i think [18:57] :/ [18:58] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Operation timed out [18:59] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: ""time to sleep"" [19:03] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Connection timed out [19:03] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [19:04] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[19:31] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [19:31] ooooooh my god!!!! [19:31] just think of windows as an anti-social psychopath, it thinks it is the only OS in the world that is allowed on a PC [19:31] Installing Windows removes the bootloader, use a live CD or something to chroot into your Linux install and rerun lilo. [19:31] I say removes, replaces [19:32] i have the instalation DVD format disc can i do something with it? [19:32] boot up the first slackware CD< follow the instructions to boot up your installed system, then run /sbin/lilo [19:32] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2+2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [19:32] the DVD will work too [19:33] just point it to the slackware install, the DVD kernel will boot up your harddrive install [19:33] lord|0: yes [19:34] thanks [19:34] lord|0: please observe that there is no typo in the onscreen instructions [19:34] ok [19:34] lord|0: the 'rdinit= ro' IS intentional [19:34] lord|0: there must be a space [19:34] mmmmhh thanks [19:35] lord|0: so, if you just blindly follow the onscreen help, all you gotta do is boot up slackware from the DVD, then type "lilo" as root [19:35] lord|0: see you on the flip side :P [19:35] what is the purpose of the space there ? [19:35] hehehe yeah [19:35] :D [19:35] foureyes779: yes, it unsets rdinit [19:35] macavity: tnx [19:35] foureyes779: ro is another argument [19:36] ro == Read Only ? [19:36] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:36] buuuut there's another problem it just boots without the graphic interface [19:36] foureyes779: they are equevalent to initrd and read-only in lilo.conf [19:36] hehe i think it was my fault [19:36] foureyes779: but on the CD/DVD it is syslinux that boots the S [19:36] lord|0: no, windows is braindamaged [19:37] someone told me to use something like starx command does it work? [19:37] lord|0: it will install a "factory" bootloader to the MBR that does one thing: check which partition has the active flag, and attemp to execute instructions from the first adress [19:38] JotForTicher (n=Miranda@190.246.169.220) joined ##slackware. [19:38] lord|0: startx starts up the graphical system (X11 + whatever window manger you picked at the default) [19:38] lord|0: if you want to know how to make it boot straight to graphical login you have to read the slackbook.org ;-) [19:38] ooooh ok i chose KDE [19:38] good choice :-) [19:39] nocti (n=nocti@unaffiliated/nocti) joined ##slackware. [19:39] how do i install gqview in slackware? [19:39] once you get it up and running you should give yakuake a spin... just to make sure your terminal emulator is always close at hand :P [19:39] hehe yeah i have use gnome already so i wanted to taste it a little [19:40] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-026-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:40] nocti: install it? [19:40] yes [19:40] sorry newbie here [19:40] isnt it in the xap series? [19:40] macavity: yes it is. [19:40] i mean where do i get the slack tarballs and how to install it? tnx [19:40] nocti: slackpkg [19:41] nocti: and slackbook.org :P [19:41] nocti: I would strongly suggest you spend some time .... [19:41] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] damm you macavity [19:41] :P [19:41] BP{k}: PWND! :P [19:41] :) thanks guys, sorry to bug you about this [19:42] nocti: ill tell you what: if you spend *one* hour reading over slackbook.org, i will put up with any question you dont know where to find an answer for after that ;-) [19:42] i think that if there were a windows channel it would be full of people having problems xD [19:42] nocti: it isnt buggin whenyou ask questions intelligently [19:42] lord|0: this is also a channel full of people having trouble [19:43] hmmm how about the best place to find the apps to install? [19:43] do people just refuse to read the slackbook? [19:43] SlackBook ? [19:43] heh [19:43] J/K [19:43] speaking about it i have a virus called win32.onlinegames-NUF [19:43] hahaha [19:43] is such a pain on the neck [19:43] nocti: do you mean like program reviews? [19:43] i mean like the packages so i can install them? [19:44] like where to download them [19:44] nocti: you *should* have done a full install [19:44] nocti: all new users should :P [19:44] it's a full install but it's lacking some apps i used to use [19:44] nocti: but, slackpkg is your frind [19:44] .... [19:44] *freind [19:44] s/freind/friend/ [19:44] s/friend/fiend/ [19:44] slackware is your feind [19:44] lol [19:45] nocti: if you done a full install, you should have gqview installed already. [19:45] nocti: if you need more than what comes with slackware, then slackbuilds.org is the place to start [19:45] BP{k}: Oi oi! 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[19:57] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) left irc: "Leaving" [19:57] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:57] well that was neat [19:57] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:57] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) joined ##slackware. [19:57] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: No route to host [20:01] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:01] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl224-238.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:01] nargon (n=mike@217.194.139.3) left irc: Connection reset by peer [20:01] souljas (n=tony@163.sub-75-201-144.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [20:02] http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 for all interested in KDE4.2 RC1 (in /testing) [20:02] FriedBob (i=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [20:03] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@unaffiliated/asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [20:04] huyhuyhuy (n=huyhuy@asgvnpc09.studentby.uit.no) left irc: [20:04] nocti (n=nocti@124.6.184.99) joined ##slackware. [20:04] nocti (n=nocti@124.6.184.99) left irc: Client Quit [20:06] alienBOB: thx :-) [20:06] alienBOB: \o/ [20:06] damn osuosl is raped [20:07] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:07] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:07] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-91-181.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:07] EuroTrash (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [20:08] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [20:08] i cant wait till we get to something like 4.2.[2-5] [20:09] The RC1 is already nice to toy with [20:09] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [20:09] alienBOB: Where you able to compile it in release mode? [20:10] ive been a KDE junkie long enough to know that those guys live by the credo "release early, release often" [20:10] XGizzmo I think I added Release mode to all SlackBuilds [20:10] Great :) [20:11] Did not think it mattered much in package size though, but I have not really checked well... [20:11] It trimmed about 30 meg off here [20:11] Well that is always a good score for when a new CD set has to be made :-) [20:11] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:12] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [20:12] nargon (n=mike@217.194.139.4) joined ##slackware. [20:12] but the big thing is it stops console from getting spammed when you log out [20:12] Yes [20:12] Peace at last [20:12] how big is the whole of kde4 (source/packages) ? [20:12] 1.4GB iirc [20:12] Let me see [20:12] damn [20:12] ~300 meg I think [20:12] Nick change: Guest19632 -> Stx [20:13] 1.5GB in all (source + packages) for KDE4 plus internationalization and deps [20:13] XGizzmo_: that's one reason I stopped using kde4.. the console spam was annoying [20:14] alienBOB: thank you muchly. [20:14] 520MB is the l10n (localization) stuff most of you won't need [20:15] Still a lot to download today :-) [20:15] alienBOB: yeah, I hardly ever use that but download it anyway :) [20:15] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:16] The Changelog is huge [20:16] does anyone know if kopete supports voice chat ? [20:16] i cant seem to find :s [20:17] lw0x15: I don't think it does. [20:17] every time I work on a windows system that continues to throw system halting critical errors no matter what I try, I remember why "i don't use that anymore" [20:18] nothing like crappy old windows to make you appreciate Linux :) [20:18] i'm always blown away at the ability that windows has to screw itself over and continue to screw itself over again and again while I try to fix it [20:18] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.82) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:18] fAu (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:19] nullboy, amen brother. [20:19] nullboy: according to msdn it is just because you are fixing it the wrong way ;-) [20:19] my next comment is a true story, [20:19] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [20:20] any other OS would let you simply replace the corrupted files but not windows. it lets you *think* you've replaced the bad files but come reboot time the OS promptly deletes the good file and uses the bad one [20:20] lol [20:20] slackware-jennie (n=jennie@unaffiliated/slackware-jennie) joined ##slackware. [20:20] its a mysterie how windows works at all [20:21] once there was some microsoft developers & some ms big shots including ballmer & etc (the big brass) one of them had an infected laptop and NOBODY had a clue how to fix or repair the damage, their only solution was to fdisk the drive and do a clean install [20:21] mystery* [20:21] nullboy: gotta give windows credit for that. it's unique. [20:21] nullboy, I have that issue on creative labs sound card , and if I upgrade direct x the 'system file integrity checker' I think it's called, heh [20:21] they were all together in some meeting or conference [20:22] lw0x15: all you have to know is malicious programming to make an OS like windows. [20:22] Old_Fogie: i battled SFC today. it kept asking for the SP3 cd so i actually go to technet and get the ISO, burn it, feed it to the laptop and SFC says "this is the wrong SP3 cd" while technet says it is the ONLY SP3 cd.... [20:22] i thought developers @ m$ were pretty smart [20:23] how come they make such rubbish [20:23] SpyKee (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:23] lw0x15: all the programmers at M$ are actually marketers. [20:23] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [20:23] lol [20:23] nullboy, there's a way to disable SFC, forget how tho. I had todo it on winxp sp2 for that sound card, after sp3 came out, well creatvie updated the drivers, so I think the matter was fixed by creative, can't be sure tho. [20:24] lo slackers [20:25] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h183-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: "Client exited" [20:25] dtanner, Hello. [20:25] Praise Bob. [20:25] Hail BoB [20:25] good day all [20:25] sup souljas [20:25] lol [20:26] soulja boi [20:26] heh [20:27] oh god [20:27] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [20:27] briareus, Hello. [20:27] the stupidity..when will it end?! [20:27] hello straterra [20:27] hi [20:27] how has you rday been straterra ? [20:28] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [20:28] not too bad [20:28] just bought some server hardware [20:28] thats good , more good than bad == good [20:29] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:29] yup [20:29] and you? [20:29] I have to know. Why do BSD users loathe Linux users so much? Seriously. [20:29] mine was ok too, i tooka couple of long naps i was up doin geeky stuff on the puter all night last night [20:29] I could never understand it. [20:29] and this morning i was catching up with an old friend from the UK [20:30] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:30] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:30] slackware-jennie: bcause they think they are the *real* and *only* UNIX-LIKE operating Sysytem(s) [20:30] because linux really does have a few pitfalls compared to parts of bsd [20:31] But Linux has far better support for a broader range of Hardware. That's what puzzles me. [20:31] Action: dtanner throws a UNIX at&T proprietary 3b20 architecture/software manual at all the BSD zealots [20:31] so? linux is also slower..and a lot more bloat [20:32] what abotu software [20:32] straterra, I've used FreeBSD 7, and I haven't noticed *any* differences in speed between the two. [20:32] about [20:32] On the same system. [20:32] not to mention the track record with security [20:32] i have..bsd is tons faster..especially on older hardware [20:32] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep" [20:32] true that straterra , but we would not have all the great wm/de and accompanying gui(s) if it were not for the bloat =) [20:32] straterra: agreed [20:32] also, bsd tends to have a better networking stack [20:33] i was thinking of triple booting with a freebsd partition on this box [20:33] straterra, Linux uses the BSD networking stack. [20:33] I have a shell on a netbsd box, the uptime is impressive and the speed [20:33] Bife (n=chmod777@bl7-211-217.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [20:33] systemloc (n=lol@pool-72-91-143-198.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] i have a sun server running debian now but as soon as i figure out how, openbsd is going onto it [20:33] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:34] straterra: sdf-eu.org <- one of the only unix-like FREEE shells left on the planet for the public [20:34] slackware-jennie: WRONG [20:34] linux does NOT use the BSD network stack [20:34] ^^ netbsd == sdf-eu.org <- try netbsd on it nullboy [20:35] http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-linux-networking-stack/ [20:35] I suppose many mirrors dont have this new kde huh? tried 3 of the mirrors so far, no luck [20:35] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) joined ##slackware. [20:35] for --current I mean [20:35] ah, oh , nm [20:36] Old_Fogie: quick what is the command to update your mirror with alienBOB's mirror-slackware.sh script ? [20:36] slackware-jennie: since when does 'derivative' mean 'is'? [20:36] no kidding [20:36] nullboy: thers a bsd magazine at borders with cd and instructions, cant remember if its open or net though [20:36] id expect tons better ipv6 support if it were bsd's [20:38] slackware-jennie: http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/361 [20:38] gyroscope (n=master@81.214.149.65) left irc: Client Quit [20:38] derived is not the same as actually using the same code [20:40] it's like saying "oh i see what you did there and it looks nice, but here's my version" [20:40] anyone know a TV over IP provider? [20:40] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [20:41] kylintv [20:41] my dad uses that [20:41] i want BBC channels really bad. [20:42] nullboy: issue 2 was the openbsd [20:42] dtanner: "mirror-slackware-current.sh -v -X none -o NONE" would work usually (not creating any ISOs) [20:42] tank-man: its not English :-P [20:42] souljas: what? [20:42] i don't want youtube based, i want something like i can play with mplayer. [20:42] Old_Fogie: the mirrors need some time to be populated with all those MBs [20:43] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] hmm.. do i need hald running? [20:43] if you ask, the answer is yes [20:43] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [20:44] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:45] slackware-jennie: no offense..but..you seem a bit trollish [20:46] straterra, If that were true would I have been silent this entire time after asking my initial question? [20:46] I've no idea [20:46] straterra, I received an answer and I'm somewhat satisfied with that. [20:46] Alright then..my apollogies [20:47] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:47] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:47] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:47] satisfaction guaranteed [20:47] spook_ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:47] tgz (n=tgz@genesis.quasared.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] alienBOB, ok ty [20:48] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:48] damnit, I forgot I am OCD about checking disks for bad blocks before installing...it's going to take forever to badblocks this 1.5TB =[ [20:49] yeah that's going to take some time [20:49] You bought a 1.5TB? [20:49] FAIL [20:49] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:49] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl224-238.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [20:49] whatever you do, don't saturate that disk's io [20:49] you will see fail everywhere [20:49] Yup [20:49] you mean read fail? [20:50] AKA, dont run badblocks :P [20:50] tgz: no fail as in, total disk stoppage [20:50] yes, the 30 second read fail bug [20:50] I flashed the drive. that problem's fixed. [20:50] v4nelle (n=van@adsl24-101.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:50] kinda fixed [20:50] I'm not having any trouble with the first drive, it's been in use for a month [20:50] that's what Seagate gets for buying a shitty company like Maxtor and trying to meld their product lines [20:51] slackware-jennie (n=jennie@unaffiliated/slackware-jennie) left irc: "Leaving" [20:51] so far I've badblocks'ed 1/3 of the second drive, no issues there either [20:51] badblocks won't stress the io though [20:51] it will just do its thing [20:51] kfb (i=1000@user-160uvig.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [20:51] you're probably fine anyway [20:51] hdparm? [20:52] I dunno. I really haven't had any problems. [20:52] talking about real load [20:52] did plenty of testing on drive1 [20:52] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-24-57.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:52] kfb (i=1000@user-160uvig.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:52] renders and multiple encodes at once [20:52] raw a/v dumps [20:53] I still wouldn't buy em until they had firmware that didnt put a hamper on the performance [20:53] thats me though [20:53] my firmware update dropped the drive performance from 130M/s to 120M/s. boo. hoo. [20:53] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:53] I take all I can get o.O [20:53] 10MB/s is a lot [20:54] let me bench my current storage drive [20:54] its a 95mbit pipe =] [20:54] nullboy: sure, if you need it. [20:54] pretty much [20:55] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:55] data density these days scares me. that's why i bought two 750's and mirrored them [20:55] when a single disk failure has the potential to take out 1.5TB of data...that's spooky [20:56] 61.25 :/ [20:56] 61.25 MB/s buffered [20:56] 905.12 MB/s cached [20:56] hehe [20:56] and yes..i notice it [20:56] this laptop has 25MB/s buffered and 100MB/s cached [20:56] 5400rpm or something? [20:57] well, thihs hting has no buffer [20:57] no, it's a compact flash, attached to probably a very slow bus [20:57] laptop drive [20:57] or controller [20:57] ew [20:57] CF is slow anyway o.O [20:57] just about all laptop controllers are crap anyhow [20:57] blitz (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:57] eh [20:58] on my other laptop it goes quicker thoguh. the original disk was 30MB/s, this CF is 45MB/s [20:58] alot of times they run the same chipsets at the desktops [20:58] Timing buffered disk reads: 150 MB in 3.02 seconds = 49.72 MB/sec [20:58] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@20150005123.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:58] laptop [20:58] i don't understand how some laptop makers out there are advertising solid-state hard drives as the highest performance option available [20:58] but CF doesn't do simultaneous read/write, so even 45MB/s isn't that fast. i use them mainly because they're small and don't produce much heat [20:59] TwinReverb: because the SSD drives are actually fast [20:59] its like taking 12 of those CF cards and putting them in a raid 0 [20:59] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-199.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:59] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [21:00] but raid 0 makes no sense with solid state because there is no stripe [21:00] straterra, it depends on the make of the SSD. remember that flash media can't do duplexing [21:00] nargon (n=mike@217.194.139.4) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:00] TwinReverb: yes it does.. [21:00] why doesnt raid 0 with SSD make sense? [21:00] nargon (n=mike@217.194.139.4) joined ##slackware. [21:01] /bin/sh: hdparm: command not found [21:01] as root? [21:01] the striping effect takes place on rotating disks [21:01] well, damn [21:01] mordy: the high performance intel ones are basically a ton of the SSD's with raid 0 [21:01] there's no "stripe" on a solid state drive [21:01] TwinReverb: no..thats not really what stripe refers to [21:01] TwinReverb, RAID 0 breaks the data up into stripes that go onto each individual CF card (or drive), so instead of writing the entire thing to one card it goes faster by writing parts to different cards. [21:01] writing 1/12 of a file is faster than the whole file [21:01] same with reading [21:02] oh. oops. duh, I'm ssh'ed into my shell, no wonder I can't do that [21:02] nevermind, i had confused the concept [21:02] why shouldn't you be able to do hdparm via ssh? [21:02] So if each card has R/W of 20 MBps, and you have 10 of them in a RAID 0, you would theoretically get 200 MBps. [21:03] i don't know if i trust that concept [21:03] but that is only if you're not writing [21:03] Something like that [21:03] err.. duplexing [21:03] Incidentally I know people who are running setups like that to great effect, though with the prices of SSD falling in general I don't know how long the price advantage would hold out. [21:03] i use CF disk in our appliance routers..but..thats it [21:05] this CF can do 133MB/s theoretically, if the controller let it do it [21:05] has solid state come close to the lifetime of traditional plattered hard drives? [21:05] No [21:05] Action: TwinReverb will just buy a dual scsi hard drive laptop that runs striping :P [21:05] Especially under typical OS usage (swapping) [21:06] scsi laptop? [21:06] Good luck [21:06] meh, i turn off swap [21:06] $.$ [21:06] I wouldn't run SCSI any way [21:06] and frankly, i don't see why modern computers need swap at all [21:06] too expensive [21:06] mordy: large data sets [21:06] SAS all the way [21:06] P4C0 (n=pcuser@190.141.76.51) joined ##slackware. [21:07] mordy, i'm with you on that one. i hate swap. if i ever get enough RAM to do it, i'll put a 1GB ramdisk in memory and use that as swap [21:07] SWAP can be very useful [21:07] until it's overutilized due to a buddy program [21:07] using swap isnt automatically bad [21:07] er buggy [21:07] well i just don't like the concept, that's all [21:07] unless it's for "hibernate" mode with ACPI [21:07] TwinReverb: that doesn't make any sense. [21:08] hackedhead, it does when you've tried it before [21:08] try it. you may be surprised [21:08] but anyways, i'm talking on a machine with like 4GB ram [21:08] my system never swaps, so i've no need to try it [21:08] I rarely touch my swap ever with 2GB of ram, I barely touched it even with 1 [21:08] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [21:09] but the whole point is for swap to get hit when ram is full [21:09] I have 4GB of memory and swap quite a bit [21:09] so if swap is _in_ ram, you buy nothing [21:09] straterra: what the hell are you doing on your pc [21:09] yes but in that case if ram gets full the kernel starts using swap but very sparingly, so you never use the physical hard drive for swap, and you never run out of memory because the kernel won't let you so long as you have swap somewhere [21:09] yeah, what can require such a huge chunk of memory? [21:09] hackedhead: not always.. swapping to the hard drive for low speed/rarely used data in memory can have benefits [21:09] It depends on what the system is doing. On a desktop with 4 GB of RAM you would probably never touch swap, but on a server with large databases it is another story. [21:09] it starts trying to cut memory use (or so it seems) [21:10] 4GB is NOT that much memory [21:10] i just don't like the whole hard drive thrash effect [21:10] straterra: benefits over having it in RAM, if RAM is not full in either case? [21:10] hackedhead: more ram free for a dataset that is sensitive to memory speeds [21:11] so it all comes down to extra memory in any event [21:11] more % of RAM free == RAM is faster?? [21:11] my system can stay up for like a week before it starts digging into swap, but if you run into a buggy program (like i did once with one of Thunar's thumbnailers) or open a lot of images in gimp to edit, you've already dug in [21:11] say like..you have an IM client and an encode coming.. [21:11] it should only make a difference is RAM is _full_ at some point [21:11] If you put the IM's "memory" in to disk swap..and let the encode use the system memory.. [21:11] of course if you have a limited amount of RAM, then swap is useful for applications that don't access RAM very frequently in the first place [21:11] that could have some benefits [21:11] hackedhead, yep [21:11] mordy: thats my point [21:12] And my 4GB machine is my workstation at work [21:12] vmware, lots of different browsers.. [21:12] straterra, do you ever see 4GB get used up? [21:12] Yes I do [21:12] so a swap ramdisk is only really useful to workaround stupid things that hit swap when they shouldn't [21:12] 4GB gets used up fast [21:12] Action: TwinReverb shakes his head in disbelief [21:12] For me, that is [21:12] It's all about workload [21:12] TwinReverb: i've seen it to, depends on what you're doing [21:13] most of the servers at work run with less memory than my workstation [21:13] sorry to interrupt, what file manager do you, fluxbox users, use? [21:13] hackedhead, i guess. i did that on my dual p3 with 1.5gb ram (made 512mb ram drive) and i never ran into a slow-down [21:13] for example, finite element analysis of large entities over long time periods [21:13] P4C0: mc! [21:13] jets0n (n=jets0n@93-136-4-123.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: "Disconnecting" [21:13] lol mmc [21:14] i use ls [21:14] you'd need swap for this:-/ Mem: 189720 158560 31160 0 54216 66820 [21:14] The new server at work was only ordered with 500GB drives :( [21:14] WD "Green" server drives [21:14] bleh i don't care, i will never like swap [21:14] ZOMGGREEN [21:14] haha [21:15] TwinReverb: You are retarded. [21:15] enough to make all hippy/gay/transsexual/lesbian server admins happy :D [21:15] Alan_Hicks, but i'm a helpful retard [21:15] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:15] speaking of which, can i help out with slack book yet? :S [21:15] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [21:15] swap is first and foremost a workaround [21:15] TwinReverb: http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A helpful [21:15] No. [21:16] Alan_Hicks: your url is invalid [21:17] http://tinyurl.com/avenax [21:17] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [21:17] Curse copy-n-paste. [21:17] I curse it all the time at work [21:17] Alan_Hicks, how am i retarded? [21:17] it would be cool if hard drives would eventually be used only as backup media [21:17] Tape all the way! WOOT [21:17] TwinReverb: The whole "I hate swap, I'll get enough ram and put my swap on a ram disk" comment. Retarded. [21:17] embedded devices have for a long time used a single media for both RAM and storage [21:18] yes, let's page and run live os off tape drives and only back up to platters [21:18] Alan_Hicks, so what? i hate swap. in my mind it will always be inefficient using hard drive space as memory space [21:18] so put your stock in Kingston and be happy because i'm going to be buying a lot of RAM :) [21:18] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [21:19] TwinReverb: That is just such faulty logic that I can't even begin to articulate a response. [21:19] Linux(R) Live! Tape Edition! [21:19] if you have enough ram, why have a swap at all? [21:19] Alan_Hicks: maybe pot will help [21:19] im talk 4-8+ gb ona desktop, not production here... [21:19] I want..12GB :( [21:20] how? hard drives are slower than RAM. that's why. i know that there is a purpose, and i understand and believe what straterra and others said, but i still don't like it. it's not stupidity, it's being a perfectionist [21:20] straterra: Then i'd just articulate an incorrect response in a weezy high-pitched voice and have to eat again. [21:20] which ironically is why i use slackware: i'm a perfectionist [21:20] Alan_Hicks: sounds like a plan..coming over for pot? [21:20] i remember having 5GB drives and 256mb of swap... 8gb of ram is more than enough for now [21:20] hmm.. would it be possible to use an NFS ramdisk as swap? [21:20] that could be cool actually, over gigabit ethernet [21:20] mordy: yes [21:20] TwinReverb: No, it's stupidity. I'm not even going to bother attempting to explain the numerous levels on which you are wrong here. [21:20] but you're goign to keep saying i'm stupid? :P [21:21] And you most certainly aren't a perfectionist. A perfectionist would get it right. [21:21] straterra, have you ever used linux on an x86 (non-64bit) that had more than 4gb? i keep hearing of a work-around for RAM space on x86 [21:22] TwinReverb: 4+GB on x86 is stupid [21:22] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [21:22] That's one reason why there is a push to x86_64 [21:22] ok, point noted [21:22] Get it..use it..love it [21:22] I do [21:22] [ in bed ] [21:22] straterra, do you still use 32bit slack or slamd64? [21:22] I don't really..use Slackware [21:22] persay [21:22] Action: TwinReverb stabs straterra :P [21:22] hah [21:22] lol [21:23] He's running Gentoo. [21:23] well no wonder he's using more than 4GB of ram [21:23] So he should know all about running out of RAM. [21:23] Alan_Hicks: LIES [21:23] no wonder he uses up 4 gig of memory :P [21:23] straterra: I saw your uname earlier. [21:23] Gentoo..and Fedora on the work servers :/ [21:23] Action: acidkill quietly /parts ##mac and ##apple in xchat aqua =) [21:23] of all slackware users to be using gentoo, straterra i'm disappointed :P [21:23] I hate fedora though [21:23] I like Gentoo.. [21:23] It has pam [21:23] rofl [21:23] it has up to date repos [21:23] my cupboard has spam [21:24] and possibly pam as well [21:24] I end up compiling everything in Slackware ANYWAY..so..might as well run Gentoo [21:24] systemloc (n=lol@pool-72-91-143-198.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [21:24] i end up trimming my fingernails anyways but that don't mean i decide to rip them out :P [21:24] Gentoo really isn't all that bad [21:24] i know, i just gotta give you krap [21:25] krap? is that another KDE program with Qt? [21:25] Yes [21:25] krap <-- darn KDE , see what it does to the world! [21:25] krap does your taxes [21:25] i've always spelled it with a k [21:25] what is *.dmg ? [21:25] haha, I'm breaking kde's chopps :) [21:25] Soul_keeper: disk image [21:26] is that like mac rpm's ? [21:26] kinda [21:26] software is shipped in a disk image [21:26] when you open it..its just mounted loop back [21:26] is there a slackware tool for "unzipping" those ? [21:26] No idea [21:26] ahhh ic [21:26] If there is, it'd be mount. [21:26] i'll just mount it with loop and copy the files over, thanks [21:26] if it's an image, you can most likely mount it and then copy it over [21:27] np [21:27] you can mount it as hfsplus [21:27] I need a tape drive [21:27] Looks like I was right. :^) [21:27] straterra: for swap space? [21:27] yes..swapping to tape [21:27] "no offense..but..you seem a bit trollish" ...exactly how is that 'not offensive'? Haha :) [21:28] straterra: I just sold a couple, but they were old and small. [21:28] chopp: were they happy together or all naggy? [21:28] I have been meaning to hook up my Travan drive to my file server for about 3 years now. [21:28] I'm doing backups of my VPS over my VPN tunnel to my home server..that has an external USB drive mounted [21:29] and its going to the USB drive..over SSH [21:29] I want something..tangible though [21:29] iirc, tape drive was mounted with --> ,8,1 ? [21:29] KidpunkX (n=masterx8@97.104.48.72) left irc: "Leaving" [21:29] :) [21:29] what was the /dev file for a tap drive? [21:29] If I go tape..I gotta get a SCSI controller.. [21:29] and tapes..and a drive.. [21:30] DVD media is much cheaper [21:30] Action: Old_Fogie waits to see if anyone noticed the commodore 64 reference there, hee hee [21:30] mordy, /dev/mt0 [21:30] Action: TwinReverb stabs Old_Fogie 's C64 [21:30] still got one here [21:30] hmmm... should i make a static dev? [21:30] straterra, ever tried backing up 60GB with DVD's? [21:30] it's not fun let me tell you [21:30] half hour of free time before the gf calls..what to do..what to do.. [21:30] intellivision too [21:31] Well now you would be better off burning to BluRay if you want to do optical. The prices for the drives are reasonable now, but the blank media...ugh. [21:31] ok why when i watch videos on youtube [21:31] the sound goes away [21:31] i'm sure you can get a chasis for DVD writers and have them write everything synchornously, not sure though [21:31] after first ten seconds or so [21:32] MS3FGX: do you think the media will always be that expensive? i don't recall CDs or DVDs ever being so pricey [21:32] unfortunately..or fortunately depending on your experiences...tape is still the king of large offline backups [21:32] archdave (n=Dave@71-91-222-3.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:33] Logically it should become cheaper as more plants are geared up for production (which will go hand in hand with BR adoption rates), but who knows. I didn't expect blank BR to still cost this much so late into the game. [21:33] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [21:33] so in any event it may be a hit/miss to backup to BR [21:33] That would have been one of the advantages of HD-DVD, the manufacturing lines could quickly be adapted...but oh well. [21:33] since i think their standardization as a media is suspect [21:34] i personally don't consider cd/dvd/br as a backup [21:34] it's a good hold over but i've seen even good disks degrade over time [21:34] I wont portray myself as a blue ray expert by any means, really I just started reading about it. Seems there's so many incompatibilities amongst players, the discs themselves, seems like a lose lose (let alone price) from what I keep reading. [21:34] straterra: I never used them together, and they were kind of small. "exabyte exb-8700's" [21:34] chopp: that was a joke [21:34] Well I know the BR movie standard changes from time to time as they add new features, but the underlaying structure is pretty much set. At least that has been my understanding. [21:35] you said you sold a couple.. [21:35] and they were small and old [21:35] Bife (n=chmod777@bl7-211-217.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: [21:35] doh [21:35] heh [21:35] hey so are any of you interested in a sun v120 server? [21:35] i really have no use for it [21:35] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.54) left irc: ":wq" [21:36] I want an appliance to replace my linux server/router [21:36] it comes with a built in smartcard reader and two 73GB U320 disks installed with a third extra [21:36] i've never seen optical media go bad if kept in normal temperature conditions [21:36] o.O [21:36] mordy: yeah, which is difficult considering i live where it ranges from freezing to 105+ [21:37] but generally room temperature should be normmal [21:37] Action: Old_Fogie agree with Bill Gates, optical media should never have happened (my experience only cd and dvd really tho). I'm sick of optical media. [21:37] straterra, Premade or are you building your own? Atom Micro-ITX boards are pretty cheap now. Though I have found good Mini-ITX cases aren't easy to come by. [21:38] smaller [21:38] I'm thinking..soekris [21:38] Ah [21:38] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:38] i don't like optical media too much either, but that's because it makes a lot of noise, it needs to be handled carefully, and my computer is on the floor and it hurts my back [21:38] Old_Fogie: I follow you there but I'll add that I think optical media blows but it serves a good purpose for cheap distribution (more or less disposable too) [21:39] Might as well push the envelope and go Gumstix. Could even run the thing off of a small solar panel and NiCAD batteries. [21:39] nullboy, sure sure yup. Just wish they had gone some other route. I suppose much of my frustration is, that I come from days of records, and 8-track. Stuff you could really "man handle" ya know. [21:39] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.200.76) joined ##slackware. [21:40] nullboy: I'd take one [21:40] if it's free [21:40] cassette tapes especially, freeze, throw em at the kids, whatever, they just worked. [21:40] tgz: 80USD + shipping [21:40] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.200.76) left irc: Client Quit [21:40] i'm sure they could make optical media in a more foolproof format in respect to handlign conditions, but it just doesn't pay off though [21:40] Old_Fogie: btw, ,8,1 is the disk. tape is default [21:40] if you're in so cal, i'll deliver for 100 even [21:40] tgz, :) [21:40] nullboy: sorry, 80 bucks isn't free [21:41] damn straight it ain't [21:41] still have it, just rusty on my commands on that c64, I should turn it on one of these days, heh [21:41] this thing still has usability, that's why i haven't just thrown in away yet [21:41] well, my desktop and all the servers I have laying around all have use too =] [21:42] but those aren't sparc64!!! [21:42] YAY [21:42] ;) [21:42] Old_Fogie: I always used a fastload cartridge [21:42] well, I like to tinker and stuff, so I take opportunities like that when they present themselves [21:42] yep [21:42] I have some sparc boxes, though, so unless it's free, I'll pass [21:42] XGizzmo_, tgz ... I just found my "mavis beacon teaches typing" hahaha [21:42] tgz: that was the main reason i ended up with it. it was in a scrap pile and i grabbed it out, didn't even know it had two 73GB U320 disks in it [21:42] for the c64 [21:43] I can do what everyone else is doing and use the economy as an out [21:43] yeah it's difficult to push old gear right now [21:43] Old_Fogie: I didn't even know they released mavis for the c64, I recall it primarily as a crappy CD-bundle inclusion [21:43] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [21:43] hello [21:43] Old_Fogie: put color64 on it and run a BBS [21:44] nullboy: consider for a moment I just bought an athlon x2 5400 black with mainboard/fan, 2GB ram, 3TB disk, and a bluray/hddvd combo for 400 bucks [21:44] tgz, oh yeah they sure did, tho the cover isn't "politically correct" these days, she looks like "Aunt Jemima" used to , e.g. slave like. [21:44] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-347875.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:44] tgz: yep [21:45] and really, the main costs on that list are the disk and optical drive =] [21:45] which version of slackware included bluez 4.x? [21:45] Yeah, the price of new hardware is sickeningly cheap. I have been building computers for teenage girls that are more powerful than my desktop. That just isn't right. [21:45] Fenix-Dark, None, officially. Current had it for awhile [21:45] Fenix-Dark: none. [21:45] Fenix-Dark: -current for a few months [21:45] MS3FGX, ah ok [21:46] Fenix-Dark: 4.x is not supported by hardly anything and it basicly undocumented [21:46] MS3FGX: when I look at your nickname all I see is MSX [21:47] bluez 3.x gave me a ton of trouble getting my bluetooth keyboard working, i eventually got it working with kdebluetooth... i'm just wondering how the situation would have turned out with 4.x. at this point it doesnt matter, but i still find it unusual that i was only able to get the keyboard working with the aid of a GUI utility, i still cant get it to connect properly with the cli hcitool or hidd [21:47] XGizzmo_, hahah "BBS" , boy that brings back memories [21:47] man, I used to run a board, I wonder if I could run dosemu and then somehow link telnet/ssh to the serial port in dosemu [21:48] surely it must be possible [21:48] Old_Fogie: yeah I got my butt chewed out over phone bills a few times. :) [21:48] Not enough software actually supports 4.x to make it usable right now. There isn't even an acceptable configuration front end that could be used, bluez-gnome is obviously out of the question. So it probably wouldn't have helped at all. [21:48] MS3FGX, i think the problem with 3.x in slackware was the lack of a passkey assistant [21:48] XGizzmo_, oh no doubt, back then there was no in country/local/in-state free calls for "one low price (TM)" [21:49] kdebluetooth includes one [21:49] Fenix-Dark, Are we talking about 12.2 here? [21:49] MS3FGX, yes [21:50] Well you can add passkeys through /etc/bluetooth/passkeys. The keys in there will be passed to BlueZ when the rc.bluetooth script runs. [21:50] MS3FGX, i did all of that, it still said there was no passkey agent [21:51] hey guys, i use bluetooh gear here and as far as i'm concerned, BT under slackware is a slight mess right now. [21:51] it ranks up there with printing and email for me [21:51] Vic1ous (n=Vic1ous@75-120-149-76.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:51] s/slackware/linux/ [21:51] I don't seem to have any problems with printing, those are cake [21:51] yeah no shit huh [21:51] nullboy, i'm pretty satisfied with printing/cups [21:52] email? seriously? [21:52] Well there isn't a whole lot that can be done about that. BlueZ is not very well documented, and 4.x is even worse. [21:52] i'm not going to argue about what i find to be a pita but i do find printing, email server setup and bluetooth to be a pita [21:52] MS3FGX, what about making another ndishack to use a windows bluetooth stack? [21:52] Vic1ous_ (n=Vic1ous@75-120-149-76.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] Well the Windows BT stack is even more disfunctional. BlueZ is certainly more than capable as a BT stack, the problem is that there is not enough documentation and software to actually control it. [21:53] MS3FGX, sorry i wasn't clear, i meant a bt stack for windows, like the toshiba one [21:53] not ms's windows stack [21:53] MS3FGX: under windows i've found that everyone has their own jacked up BT stack [21:53] it's almost worse! [21:54] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h183-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:54] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [21:54] That was the problem with 4.x. It moved all the configuration over to a DBUS API that was almost totally mis-documented, so you couldn't even make your system discoverable without a ridiculous amount of work. [21:55] MS3FGX: from what i've seen right now there really is hardly any documentation at all [21:55] really, next to none [21:56] like 4 blocks of dbus bullshit at the bluez site [21:56] gg [21:56] I was writing new scripts for 4.x on Slack but it was just a mess. Plus it is too early to even support it in stable since nothing really works with it downstream. So I gave Pat the 3.x scripts I rewrote and we went with that. [21:56] nullboy, yea, its a bluetooth zerg rush [21:56] Fenix-Dark: lol [21:56] show me your war face! [21:56] bombuzala (n=bombuzal@79-64-211-245.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [21:57] nullboy, Yes, it is completely terrible. Even the documentation that comes with the source is wrong. [21:57] MS3FGX, isn't that expected? writing documentation is boring, and a weak point of open source development [21:57] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:57] To be fair I haven't looked at the latest 4.x releases, but I don't think it would have changed much [21:58] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:58] one month a year: fix bugs, update docs, update project page (doesn't have to be in that order) is all I want from floss [21:59] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-195-128.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] i had some Thai iced tea today and i'm burping that stuff now [22:00] gnarly [22:02] Fenix-Dark, Still, it is interesting that a basic BT HID device gave you trouble. They should work out of the box, at least the ones I have tested did. Does the keyboard have a specific PIN? [22:02] MS3FGX, no specific pin requirement [22:03] No PIN at all, or do you mean you set it when you pair? I have seen KBs that work both ways. [22:03] my mouse is pinless [22:03] simple hidd --search does the deal [22:04] bombuzal (n=bombuzal@unaffiliated/bombuzal) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:04] I think most mice are, but I know some KBs have you physically type in the PIN when you pair it. [22:04] MS3FGX, i did try that, without any success [22:05] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.76.54) joined ##slackware. [22:06] Hm, well I guess it doesn't matter. Clearly with 4.x BlueZ is going to become fully GUI dependent, so there isn't much point crying over spilled milk now. [22:06] That is just one of the things I really like about 3.x, you can configure it from the command line easily, and it lends itself well to scripting. [22:06] hba (n=hba@189.188.158.89) joined ##slackware. [22:07] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.76.54) left irc: Client Quit [22:08] ricardo (n=jiraia@mail.nxt.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:09] ricardo (n=jiraia@mail.nxt.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:10] ricardo (n=jiraia@189.27.67.210.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:11] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [22:11] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:14] Laura_ (i=loco@41.236.14.182) joined ##slackware. [22:16] ali__ (n=ali@89.180.238.144) joined ##slackware. [22:18] ali_ (n=ali@89.180.147.99) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:19] what is the best way ( application ) to make a backup copy of a movie on dvd ? [22:19] k3b seems to do good for me [22:19] I kind of like dd myself but cat does a decent job [22:19] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [22:20] spook_ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) joined ##slackware. [22:20] dd will produce a playable copy of a dvd movie ? [22:20] what do you intend to play it back on? [22:20] regular dvd player [22:20] dtanner: just use k3b [22:20] unlike music cd's, dvd's actually have a filesystem format on it [22:21] not the dvd player on the computer my dvd player connected to my home theater system [22:21] jiraia (n=jiraia@189.27.65.227.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:21] nullboy: thanks [22:21] try k3b duplicate function [22:21] alisonken1home: thanks to you too [22:21] dtanner: the dvd player connected to my home theater system *is* the dvd player on my computer =] [22:21] dtanner: you need to have the css libs installed if you want to kill the css [22:21] Action: dtanner fires up k3b [22:21] Vic1ous (n=Vic1ous@75-120-149-76.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:21] nullboy: libdvdcss ? [22:21] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/libdvdcss/ [22:21] yeah [22:22] thanks all [22:22] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062133149.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:23] anyone able to get ati drivers to install on 2.6.27.12 ? [22:24] Vic1ous (n=Vic1ous@75-120-149-76.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] Nick change: Vic1ous_ -> Vic1ouss [22:25] http://www.technewsworld.com/rsstory/65900.html [22:25] wtf' [22:25] I'd read it if the slackware install disc had links [22:26] Vic1ous (n=Vic1ous@75-120-149-76.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:26] Vic1ouss (n=Vic1ous@75-120-149-76.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:26] Vic1ous (n=Vic1ous@75-120-149-76.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:26] "Cisco (Nasdaq: CSCO) , the dominant maker of routers and switches, appears to have designs on the blade server market." [22:26] oh hey, my shell has it, convenient [22:27] yeah links is there [22:27] oh nm [22:27] cisco needs to stick to interconnection [22:27] wtf are they thinking [22:27] silly poor grammar writers [22:28] Old_Fogie: it's not on the installer, though [22:28] briscoe (n=chatzill@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1952704 2008-10-05 06:16 ./slackware/n/links-2.2-i486-1.tgz [22:29] ... [22:29] it's not in the installer initrd [22:30] ah, ok I thought he meant on an install of slackware, I misunderstood what he was saying there [22:30] tgz: dropbear is there though [22:31] Old_Fogie: no, I meant I'm installing slackware and chatting on irc. [22:32] nullboy: I wish Pat would setup default keys for it. [22:32] i've been waiting for a 160GB format to finish this whole time [22:32] or at least auto gen them [22:32] nullboy: bummer. I'm waiting for a 1.5TB to badblocks [22:33] (it could be worse) [22:33] Patriciaa (i=TakeOver@41.236.13.231) joined ##slackware. [22:34] 81% [22:34] a windows install [22:34] oh, sorry [22:34] yeah, i already have therapy appointment setup [22:35] with 'cut' how do i cut everything before 'PE=' [22:35] i just want everything after the term PE= [22:35] cut -d [22:35] = [22:35] bahh [22:35] cut -d= [22:35] ? [22:35] cut -d "=" -f 1 [22:35] ohh after :( [22:35] -f 2 [22:36] actually -f 2- [22:36] or you won't get anything after another = [22:36] well yeah, provided you have more "=" signs [22:36] unless that's intended [22:36] ngrep -q 'PF=' |cut -d "PF=" -f 2- [22:36] ? [22:36] MSG 3250 A 122..MIME-Version: 1.0..Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8..X-MMS-IM-Format: FN=Purisa; EF=B; CO=36005e; CS=0; PF=22....no [22:36] is the string... [22:36] so everything after PF= [22:36] but not the protocol crap [22:36] I thought cut -d only took single-character delimiters [22:37] if you want everything after the -f 2- is correct as tgz noted [22:37] as you can see there is a few '='s [22:37] hmm [22:37] will the PF= be the same position each time? [22:38] -f 6- ? [22:38] provided it is in the same position [22:38] andarius: so where is the last part you want? [22:38] hence my Q [22:38] andarius: mmm no? [22:38] tgz: i dont want any part :P [22:38] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [22:39] er. acidchild [22:39] acidchild: if it is not in the same position you may have to get creative [22:39] well yeah actully [22:39] its always before the data.. [22:40] but if it is not always the 6th "=" then you will have to use more than cut [22:40] how long do you think it would take to bzip2 a 160GB hard disk image file on a P4 3.GHZ (non-HT) with 512MB ram and ata100? [22:40] nullboy: a long time :( [22:40] look at the way pkgtool script does the name thing [22:40] pkgtool uses "rev" but again, it the PF= is not consistent in string location you will have to use more [22:41] true [22:41] you could use [22:41] bombuzala (n=bombuzal@79-64-211-245.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Client Quit [22:41] "cut -d "PF=" -f 2-" i think [22:41] maybe :| [22:42] is there a text processing tool that would let you strip off an arbitrary number of characters from either the front or end of a string? [22:42] that should set the delimiter to be PF+ [22:42] nullboy: cut :) [22:42] souljas (n=tony@163.sub-75-201-144.myvzw.com) left irc: "leaving" [22:42] why is cut required? [22:42] acidchild: try that [22:42] cut is not required [22:42] sed 's/.*PF=//' if PF= never appears in the data, right? [22:42] as with all things linux there are always other ways :) [22:43] nullboy: sed [22:43] andarius: its close! [22:43] acidchild: how close? [22:43] | | [22:43] F=22....foo bar [22:44] 'foo bar' is the txt [22:44] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:44] you need to remove the "...." ? [22:45] the sed line given looks goot as well [22:45] veddy goot [22:45] doesn't work the sed one [22:45] tajlero (n=rocko@c-67-167-117-152.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] hello [22:45] what's the output? [22:45] how is everyone? [22:45] vs. what's wanted [22:46] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:46] toofer_ (n=toofer@kjordan1.securesites.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] if you also need to remove the "...." inlcude that in the -d "PF=...." [22:46] I get 22 on the sample, which is what I thought you were going for [22:46] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [22:47] someone told me that slackware makes your penis bigger is this true? [22:47] oh - is '....no' part of the data? I thought that was you concluding something wasn't right. :) [22:47] tajlero: absolutely [22:47] tajlero: absolutely [22:48] hahaha [22:48] lol [22:48] this works 'ok' [22:48] ngrep -s 4096 -l -q 'PF=' not port 1863 2>/dev/null| cut -d 'PF=' -f 2- [22:48] asbfgs (n=asd@host69-203-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [22:49] asbfgs (n=asd@host69-203-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:50] *.csv what kinda database is that ? [22:50] should be comma seperated values [22:51] is that a windows format ? [22:51] it's a yourmom format [22:51] no, generic [22:51] nope [22:51] no. Should be able to open with a text editor/excel/calc [22:51] i actually like csv's [22:51] ok great [22:51] they are easy to work with [22:51] it's plain text - just formatted with comma-separated values, usually with strings quoted [22:51] Yes, csv files are goot :) [22:52] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[23:03] This is a hilarious write up to find at technet http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc722487.aspx [23:04] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:05] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHVG4Iuzz_A&feature=related [23:05] nullboy: awesomely true [23:05] andarius: it's a great write up but the location is ironic [23:05] bono (i=bono@220-136-226-179.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [23:06] nullboy: agreed [23:06] hba (n=hba@189.188.158.89) left irc: "leaving" [23:07] rapid_ (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. 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