[00:02] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:02] demoncyber_ (n=demoncyb@155.86.215.200.res.nat.netvision.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [00:03] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [00:03] hum, running slack 12.2, i've newly added 2 SATA-II 500Go hd, formatted with fdisk in 2x250Go ext3 partitions but i'm not able to mount them [00:04] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Client Quit [00:04] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:04] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [00:04] mount feel like it's fat fs, but i clearly formatted it in ext3, forcing mount to assume fs as ext3 doesn't "help me" [00:05] Assuming that fdisk has do his job, what can be the origin of this troubleshoot ? [00:06] Emeau: what do you mean by "feel like"? [00:06] .::root@aitw/ #> mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /raid_data/ [00:06] mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, [00:06] missing codepage or helper program, or other error [00:07] you should (almost) never have to use -t [00:07] what happens if you omit -t ext3? [00:07] .::root@aitw/ #> mount /dev/sdb1 /raid_data/ [00:07] *mount: No such file or directory [00:08] .::root@aitw/ #> dmesg | tail [00:08] FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors [00:08] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdb1. [00:08] Channel flood from Emeau -- kicking [00:08] GFS2: Unrecognized block device or mount point /dev/sdb1 [00:08] GFS2: gfs2 mount does not exist [00:08] Emeau kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [00:08] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:08] erf, sorry [00:08] ok [00:08] without the -t ext3 option it looks like mount assume this is a fat fs partition [00:09] or, it's not assuming anything, it's taking a shotgun approach, checking for all possible supported filesystems, and it's not FAT so it tries something else, then tries something else [00:09] but fdisk -l show me that it's an ext3 partition [00:09] fdisk /dev/sdb [00:09] fdisk shouldn't say it's ext3 [00:10] fdisk should just say the partition type is "Linux" [00:10] which I think is 83 [00:10] Yep, 83 [00:10] that does NOT mean the filesystem is ext3 [00:10] Id=83 System=Linux [00:10] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [00:10] but you said you ran mke2fs? [00:10] i only run fdisk... [00:10] fraking me ! [00:11] there ya go. [00:11] you created a partition, but neglected to put a filesystem in it. [00:11] mke2fs -J [00:11] i have NOT create fs... just partitions [00:11] Thanks :) [00:11] n/p [00:12] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-48-132.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:12] nater (n=nater@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:14] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:14] first time i buy a virgin hd, i've assumed that fdisk was doing it, not an external command (ex. during install process)... [00:14] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:14] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:14] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-18-82.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:15] BP{k}: http://learnix.net/2009/07/red-ale/ Dude the new beer looks like a snow globe! (New pics and a Video) [00:15] nater (n=nater@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:15] night all [00:15] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.28.149) left irc: "Leaving" [00:15] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [00:16] cadmium (n=mike@58.65.159.65) left ##slackware. [00:16] ahh. [00:17] Emeau: when you install Slackware, you have to run fdisk first yourself, but then the setup script will ask you whether you want to format it [00:17] so the setup script takes care of running mkfs for you [00:18] yep, seems clear when you know it :p [00:21] i think cfdisk os more friendly [00:21] s/os/is [00:22] agentc0re: ...uh... scariez!! [00:22] huhu, it really could be the origin of an other problem i was working on... [00:22] yeah, cfdisk is fine [00:22] pprkut_ (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) joined ##slackware. [00:22] +too [00:22] I'm more familiar with fdisk, so that's what I use [00:22] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: "Saliendo" [00:23] pprkut (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:25] Action: phroggy wonders how common it is for a PCI slot to go bad [00:25] phroggy: Fairly common on board with failing capacitors [00:25] boards* [00:25] /dev/sdb1 on /raid_data type ext3 (rw) [00:25] hmmmmm [00:26] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:26] zaltekk` (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:26] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Success [00:28] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[00:39] that's an easy place to start [00:39] and then smash it with a hammer [00:43] KVM's qemu is getting good now [00:44] I'm using the 2.6.29.6 modules and qemu-kvm userspace 88 [00:44] |Slacker| (n=cris@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [00:44] the window is now re-sizable [00:46] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173-130-84-31.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [00:52] Hello again. I am (still) trying to get a 3D first-person adventure game working and although my DRI is now on, where it wasn't before, apparently that isn't enough. So I am hoping for clues as to how to proceed. Something about a driver....or fgxlr....or nvidia....or catalyst...I'm over my head. Any takers? [00:53] A full explanation of my problem, complete with my box's specs, can be found here: http://frictionalgames.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3075&pid=25083#pid25083 [00:53] hathalsal (n=hathalsa@87.109.229.246) joined ##slackware. [00:53] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d75-158-165-33.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [00:53] DenNOLA: well you can forget about anything nvidia related [00:54] anti: ok, forgotten. [00:54] (<-----follows instructions well) [00:58] Nick change: MrJacks0n -> MrJackson [01:00] In the link above the guy who is offering me support for the game suggests I go to ATI's website and DL the latest driver for my ATI Mobility Radeon X300Video Card. Thing is, when I read Slackware 12.2's specs it seems the appropriate driver is there. So although I know nothing at all and am talking out of my ass, left in the dark I would be forced to guess it is a configuration issue. [01:02] What's the built in DVD ripper? [01:02] Without me having to search for something else? [01:02] Slackware 12.2 [01:03] k3b can rip after you install DeCSS [01:03] i mean, after you install the CSS libs [01:03] ;) [01:05] ah, libdvdcss [01:05] Is DeCSS in that? 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[01:27] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.1.120) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:29] Penumbra Trilogy. Ported to Linux. The tech support guy doesn't know Slackware well enough to help me get it running, so I'm kinda screwed unless I can figure out my next step. [01:30] is it free? [01:31] No. This weekend they offered the whole trilogy for $5, but I think it retails for $10 per game. [01:31] oh... [01:32] Action: edman007 looks anyways [01:32] Definitely look. It's the first game since ZORK tp pique my interest. [01:33] That's right, I said "Zork". I'm that old. :-P [01:33] DenNOLA, so it kinda just freezes when you run it? [01:34] zed_DX (n=kvirc@187.146.147.220) left ##slackware ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away"). [01:34] what driver are you using? [01:34] Well, I'm a total Linux/Slackware noob. But I'm learnin, ya know? Anyway, it plays the demo but then it crashes....which means it runs fine til it gets to the 3D part. [01:35] did you install fglrx? [01:35] I am on a laptop -- Dell Inspiron 6000 -- and the video card is : 128MB ATI Mobility Radeon X300Video Card.... [01:35] if so, i would recommend removing it, then reinstall all of x/ [01:35] I don't know the driver... [01:35] and flgrx is Greek to me. [01:35] fglrx. [01:35] did you go to amd.com or ati.com and install anything? [01:35] no... [01:35] wanted to ask here first. [01:36] good [01:36] don't do that, at least not yet [01:36] (My system is very delicate and I don't wanna screw it up) [01:36] ati dropped support for that card in the fglrx drivers [01:36] pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf [01:36] I know...they went Legacy. [01:37] Ok. By the way, it;s wordy but I wanna share this as well: [01:37] http://frictionalgames.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3075&pid=25116#pid25116 [01:37] It'll save time. [01:37] Those earlier X-series Radeons aren't terribly far removed from the 9-series so it's possible you might not need fglrx (especially since ATi dropped support for a bunch of older chips a while back), you might be able to get it working with the open source radeon driver [01:37] LSD`, the open source one will probably work better, though somewhat slower [01:37] DenNOLA: It's worse than that, they aren't going to be updating the older drivers at all so when x.org decide to break the driver model again people are going to be SoL [01:37] i strongly recommend using that first [01:38] but i kinda doubt he has the right driver installed, probably using shadowfb or something [01:38] eeew. [01:38] Ok, one sec...gotta pastebin the /etc file. brb [01:40] http://pastebin.ca/1501759 [01:41] Kejen just helped me configure this Sunday night. [01:41] 915 integrated graphics, wtf? [01:41] yea...if that works you don't have an ati card [01:42] Um....I want very badly to follow here. [01:42] DenNOLA, pastebing the output of /sbin/lspci [01:42] *pastebin [01:42] The specs for Dell say I have a 128MB ATI Mobility Radeon X300Video Card [01:42] but I will do as you ask. One sec. [01:43] DenNOLA: who cares what they say, what does the sytem itself tell you? [01:43] DenNOLA, did you get that by typing in the service tag? [01:44] Yes. Go easy here guys, I'm sorta brand new to Slackware and have no guides or gurus other than the occasional chat here. [01:44] http://pastebin.ca/1501760 [01:44] legendulo (n=rpj@92.82.92.73) left irc: Client Quit [01:44] defintely no ATi that I can see [01:44] Huh. [01:44] only the Intel integrated [01:45] Okayyy. So this is bad news, right? [01:45] line 5 [01:45] no... [01:45] (listening) [01:45] that card might be able to do something... [01:45] you just need to use the intel driver in xorg [01:45] try that first [01:45] try running glxgears, how does that run? [01:45] antiwire, he is... [01:46] i see that now [01:46] Ok, sorry....just saw the glxgears thing. So type that into the console? [01:46] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [01:46] yea [01:46] Ok, one sec. [01:47] let it run, what number do you get? [01:47] Whoa. [01:47] cool. [01:47] Ok, one sec... [01:47] 2938 frames in 5.0 seconds = 587.361 FPS [01:47] 2902 frames in 5.0 seconds = 580.274 FPS [01:47] 3311 frames in 5.0 seconds = 662.182 FPS [01:47] Channel flood from DenNOLA -- kicking [01:47] 3423 frames in 5.0 seconds = 684.503 FPS [01:47] DenNOLA kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [01:48] :( [01:48] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:48] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434681.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:48] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173-130-84-31.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [01:49] You have been kicked from ##slackware by slackboy (flood) [01:49] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434681.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:49] ??? [01:49] 2938 frames in 5.0 seconds = 587.361 FPS [01:49] you flooded and the bot kicked you [01:49] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:49] DenNOLA: you p[asted 4 lines in a row [01:49] DenNOLA, don't type that much [01:49] Oh. [01:49] 2902 frames in 5.0 seconds = 580.274 FPS [01:49] lol [01:49] 3311 frames in 5.0 seconds = 662.182 FPS [01:49] we get it [01:49] you can stop pasting those [01:49] Sorry. [01:49] Ok. [01:49] It seems low but that may just be because it's Intel... [01:50] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [01:50] yea...does it look smooth? [01:50] Hell yeah. Very fluid. [01:50] 10282 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2056.225 FPS [01:51] I'm literally hanging on every word here. I so wanna play this game. [01:51] hmm, i get 1700 and i'm using software, lol [01:52] the one pasted is from my laptop using the latest nvidia drivers on a Quadro NVS110 [01:52] 66480 frames in 5.0 seconds = 13289.804 FPS w00t! :D [01:52] lol [01:52] slackmagic: no fair changing the window size! [01:53] 2042 frames in 5.0 seconds = 405.712 FPS [01:53] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-82.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:53] fire|bird (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "Leaving" [01:53] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:53] hah [01:53] 49924 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9984.610 FPS [01:53] antiwire: i kept it at default window size hehe [01:53] slackmagic: dang [01:53] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:53] glxgears really isn't a benchmark guys :) [01:53] You guys are cracking me up. Ok, so basically I can conceivably do this? [01:54] Oh. [01:54] vinegaroon: we are playing... [01:54] :-9 [01:54] vinegaroon: but it's tonights entertainment benchmark [01:54] Action: slackmagic nods in agreement [01:54] true [01:54] You want an entertainment benchmark? Try this: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=409584 :P [01:55] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [01:55] oh boy a rootkit benchmarker [01:55] yay [01:55] Getting back to the topic at hand though, they say it needs a Radeon 8500/GeForce 3 minimum. I'm not sure the 915 is up to that... [01:55] LSD`: I can't get it to compile :( [01:56] what game is it? [01:56] The Penumbra Trilogy. [01:56] If you found yourself with absolutely nothing else to do you could Youtube "Let's Play Penumbra:Overture" and watch a kid with a brutal British accent play this game I'm trying so hard to get working. [01:56] hah [01:56] 10 of the longest minutes of your life. [01:56] this that FPS horror game? [01:56] Yes. [01:57] that recently had a linux port [01:57] Yes. [01:57] Overture is fun, a little creepy though [01:57] I wanna PLAY!!! [01:57] ah, saw an article on slashdot about it recently.. [01:57] Wahhhhhh, even. [01:57] is there a demo? [01:57] Yes. [01:57] Action: Wescotte is bored with FPSers lately.. [01:58] uva (i=bno@118-160-168-45.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [01:58] when they offered the trilogy for $5 I couldn't resist [01:58] Gee, I wish I knew if k9copy was working or frozen... [01:58] Ah, OK, GMA900 and 950 are closely related enought that it *might* just scrape in [01:58] the window is all whited out [01:58] Me to, twolf. Little did I know. [01:58] too [01:58] redtricycle: heh hate when that sorta thing happens [01:59] redtricycle: are you using kde3 or 4? [01:59] antiwire: xfce [01:59] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:59] redtricycle: and what kde libs did you build k9copy against... [01:59] Just so you know, the demo works...but then it tries the 3d thing and crashes x. [01:59] you are still using kde libs [01:59] antiwire: Slackware 12.2 kde libs [01:59] it's probably frozen lol [01:59] -_- [02:00] how long has it been running? [02:00] Well, it's a DVD ripping program [02:00] so...38 minuets [02:00] Actually, wait [02:00] 2.3.2 under kde4 is much nicewr [02:00] how can I tell how long a program has been running? [02:00] at least you can look forward to that [02:00] DenNOLA: Yeah, your IGP just might not be up to it. [02:01] LSD: Is there way to at least try? [02:01] Or should I not bother. [02:01] (and for the record, what's an IGP?) [02:01] DenNOLA: integrated graphics processor [02:01] {integrated|intel} graphics processor [02:01] hmm when did -current become RC1? been over a week? [02:01] Wescotte, when you were sleeping [02:02] edman007: I haven't slept yet :) [02:02] antiwire: nVidia I think started the IGP naming convention [02:02] not that you know of [02:02] LSD`: ok? [02:03] The early Intel GMAs were something of an oddity design-wise. They claimed to support SM2.0 but large chunks of that weren't implemented in the actual hardware, instead relying on software drivers. [02:04] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Excess Flood [02:04] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:05] I'm listening to everything you're saying and trying to process it. So basically if is hardware, and if it doesn't work I buy one. If so, what do I buy and is there one that will sort of Plug-n-Play? (I'm lost here) [02:05] Okay, vobcopy was way easier [02:06] than k9copy and k3b [02:06] k9copy is good if you need to compress it more [02:06] ie fit a DVD9 into DVD5 (or whatever it's called) [02:07] DenNOLA: As it's a laptop then you're probably out of luck. Even if it was upgradable then the cost of the upgrades would wind up to be more than what the machine is worth. [02:08] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [02:08] Ok. So are we saying that this is the end of the road where this issue is concerned? There is NO way to play this game with this particular set-up, regardless of any slick work-around one might try? [02:08] dunno if vobcopy does all that.. [02:09] DenNOLA: Does the game leave any kind of log you can look into to see precisely _where_ it's failing? [02:09] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:09] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:10] YES. It is all very neatly copied here: http://pastebin.ca/1501769 [02:10] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [02:11] nooneelse (n=machine@unaffiliated/nooneelse) joined ##slackware. [02:12] there's some way to see on log or something a package that failed on the setup of slackware 12.2 ? [02:12] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:13] hmm I had penumbra demo working over the weekend [02:14] DenNOLA: All those geometry errors toward the bottom could be the result of the game demanding a hardware geometry processor and failing because the 915 doesn't have one (or the Linux drivers don't implemement it properly in software)... [02:16] Ok. So is there any possibility that a driver could fix the problem, or does it just flatly and finally come back to insufficient hardware? [02:17] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-23.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:17] I just played with ophcrack for the first time [02:17] using a SAM file from a VM I have [02:17] 8 chars letters and numbers...busted in 12 seconds [02:18] What engine is this game based on? From the screenies on the site it looks like Cube... [02:18] I am willing to do the research but off the top of my head I'm clueless. [02:21] LSD`: HPL Engine, which seems to be their own engine [02:21] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [02:22] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:23] http://www.penumbragame.com/media/reqscreen3.jpg <- that kind of looks like part of the dock level in Max Payne :P [02:23] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151138048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [02:23] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [02:23] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89736.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:24] morning slackers [02:24] another fine day at work [02:25] always :-) [02:25] haha, its still the hour of the insomniac here. [02:26] get a decent timezone [02:26] Mon Jul 20 23:26:32 PDT 2009 [02:26] EST is fine [02:26] 07:26 < antiwire> Mon Jul 20 23:26:32 PDT 2009 [02:26] and no, i didnt just wake up [02:26] In theory, teh GMA900/950 should be able to match the feature set this game claims to need. It won't be particularly fast, but it should be able to do more than just crash. Sounds as though the drivers aren't doing what they're supposed to be... [02:26] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:27] LSD`: try modprobe robotchicken [02:27] LSD: again, forgive my ignorance here, but the GMA is a driver? [02:28] DenNOLA: "GMA" is what Intel call their integrated graphics [02:29] I see. [02:30] my cat is digging for oil in the litter box [02:31] http://mediakey.dk/~cc/gaming-with-intel-gma-900-gma-950-915-or-945-glgvgm-based-chipsets/ [02:31] Can you do anything useful with that info? [02:34] can someone tell me where remains the log of the slackware install ? [02:35] y0 slackytude, how's it going? [02:36] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:36] Interesting: "Most of the solutions requires 3D Analyze, which is a powerful application that allows to play many DirectX based games using video hardware officially unsupported and theoretically unable to run these." [02:37] (from the link above) [02:40] yuck. nvm. nvidia xp drivers. [02:40] nvidia isn't bad [02:41] Nick change: supergear_ -> Hakudoshi [02:42] DenNOLA: You're probably better off looking for a new system. Even if you were able to get it working, you're probably not going to be able to do it justice on hardware that's 4-5 years old now :/ [02:43] depends what he wants to use it for [02:43] See, and that brings me to my big fear, which is trying to move this particular set-up, and all of its tweaks, to a new box. But that's a problem for another time. [02:43] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:43] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:44] So really, it sounds like I'm hitting a wall. :-( [02:44] buy the core i7 [02:44] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.22.118) joined ##slackware. [02:44] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.22.118) left irc: Client Quit [02:45] buy the neural net processor, the learning computer cpu [02:45] DenNOLA: if you buy a new laptop chances are you can slot the drive you have right in and, after some reconfiguration to account for the new hardware, you should be able to pick up where you left [02:45] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.22.118) joined ##slackware. [02:46] My current drive is ATA. Aren't they all Sata now, or am I not undertstnding? [02:46] some still have 1 ATA [02:46] DenNOLA: At this point in time it would be odd to buy a new system that uses PATA [02:46] Yeah :/ I thought second-gen Centrino machines were SATA but that musn't have happened until the Napa Duo platfor... [02:46] but 99% are SATA now [02:47] antiwire, are you 64bit yet [02:47] Right. So I guess the soultion is fresh install of Slackware from disk, attach my old drive via enclosure, then mv important files and directories manually....no? [02:47] I'm 32bit 4LYFE [02:47] jeev: nope [02:47] Action: jeev drop kicks Hakudoshi [02:48] jeev: My laptop only has VT and dual cores but lacks EM64T [02:48] damn [02:48] no need for 64bit for me [02:48] buy me a new CPU [02:48] i go a X2 [02:48] i have a few 64bit xeons [02:48] and 4GBs of RAM [02:48] the older school ones [02:48] doing nothing [02:48] and opteron 242's and shti [02:48] this laptop does support T7400 but it has a T2400 [02:49] give them to antiwire [02:49] I don't want some AMD opteron [02:49] hell no [02:49] So really this was a good conversation. It basically means I NEED a new laptop. [02:49] "NEED" [02:49] :-) [02:49] antiwire, Xeons [02:49] Only 64 bit laptop CPU I have is soldered :P [02:49] actually yeah I do have a *real* 64 bit system [02:50] It's on a 945 chipset anyway so 64 bit is kind of pointless [02:50] I have a Sun V120 sparc [02:50] it's a 1U [02:51] Ok guys, then I guess I will thank you for your time and energy and bid you adieu. Next time we talk I'll be picking your brains for the best laptop to get for a basic Slacker-newb's needs. [02:51] my 64bit cable processor sucks :/ i7-940 [02:51] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89736.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:51] Macbook pro [02:52] eww no [02:52] support apple! [02:52] LSD`, et al -- thanks and goodnight. [02:54] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173-130-84-31.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:54] thumbs_ (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:55] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:57] thumbs_ (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:58] errrd [02:58] there any extra configuration for network after finish setup of netconfig ? [02:58] does anyone here know how to use KnowledgeTree bya any chacne [03:01] rc.inet1 restart [03:02] powtrix it's strange, I see link up on dmesg... but it just do not work [03:02] When I put under other linux machine [03:02] it just works [03:02] ifconfig eth0 returns your defined ip? [03:02] I put when I say I mean the cable [03:02] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [03:02] yes [03:03] what does not work ? [03:03] the "ping" command [03:03] I'm under a 192.168.2.x network [03:03] and the 20 is the linux [03:03] nooneelse: are you pinging names or IPs? [03:03] ip's for sure [03:04] ping -n [03:04] (just in case) [03:04] nooneelse: what does ping show you? [03:04] what error message? [03:04] destination unreachable [03:05] what are you trying to ping? [03:05] IT's a fresh install [03:05] 192.168.2.1 [03:05] it's an up server [03:05] and what does ifconfig tell you that your IP is? [03:05] no network = no way to pastebin it, otherwise I'd say show us the output of "ifconfig eth0" [03:05] that/what [03:05] inet addr:192.168.2.20 Bcast:192.168.2.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 [03:06] the RX bytes equals 0.0B [03:06] / [03:06] are you certain that the cable is good? [03:06] seems like it's not receiving data [03:06] nooneelse: is this ethernet or wireless or what? [03:06] ether [03:06] of course I've unplugged from a working machine [03:07] *about the cable question [03:07] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [03:07] does the card and/or switch have a link light that comes on when you plug in the cable? [03:07] well I "of course" am asking questions to figure this out so my questions are not "of course" to me...if they were "of course" I wouldn't ask them [03:08] and... if you "ifconfig eth0", does the word UP show up in the line with BROADCAST and friends? [03:08] antiwire sorry about it [03:08] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Leaving" [03:08] antiwire I didn't wanted to be rude [03:08] antiwire: you're supposed to use your Jedi powers to check his cable remotely... [03:08] hathalsal (n=hathalsa@87.109.229.246) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:08] Urchlay I plug the cable [03:09] Urchlay but the light on the switch do not blink a time [03:09] just shows up [03:09] so it does light up? [03:09] yes [03:09] but when you're trying to ping, it doesn't blink like you expect it to? [03:09] but it doesn't blink like it was receiving or broadcasting data [03:09] What does ethtool say? [03:10] Urchlay yes it blinks [03:11] Motoko-chan well, link detected: yes, duplex: full [03:11] could it be something extra-lame, like the 192.168.2.1 machine has firewalled out pings? (if so, you might get "dest unreachable" or something else) [03:11] hathalsal (n=hathalsa@87.109.229.246) joined ##slackware. [03:11] Urchlay I guess not [03:11] cause on intranet there's no firewall [03:11] i've set 192.168.2.20 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.2.1 and dns 192.168.2.1 [03:12] eh, you mean, you set it up that way? cause there can be such a thing as firewall rules for the LAN [03:12] that is the same configuration from the other machines [03:12] except for the IP [03:12] heh, you're 100% sure there's no other .20 on the same network? cause that might cause a leeetle problem [03:12] (but not the one you're having) [03:13] yes, i'm 100% sure that there's no other .20 on the same network [03:13] has the system in question ever connected to a network using that same card in the past? [03:13] under any OS [03:13] let me explain my little network [03:13] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:13] I have 20 machines [03:14] 19 running windows(no firewall on any of that) and this is the only one linux [03:14] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:14] hoobop (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [03:14] OK [03:15] I really wish there was a way for us to see the output of some commands on the broken machine (like "ifconfig eth0" and "route -n") [03:15] ok [03:15] and I'm using eth1 [03:15] lemme show you [03:15] wait. [03:15] is eth0 up and has an IP addr? [03:15] just a minute [03:15] you have two cards? [03:15] yes two cards [03:15] the first [03:15] was with the 20 ip [03:16] what's the other got (if anything) for its IP? [03:16] so I changed in rc.inet1.conf [03:16] and cleaned the eth0 setup and set the eth1 [03:16] i'll show you how inet1 and the commands in a second, just let me log it [03:16] err [03:16] how can one concatenate a live file stream to stdout [03:17] obnauticus: what do you mean by "live file stream" exactly? [03:17] like if apache is writing to a log [03:17] i want to watch the writes in realtiem [03:17] realtime* [03:17] tail -f [03:17] ah k [03:17] ah, you want either "tail -f" or "less +F" [03:18] watch -n1 tail should also work [03:18] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@97-117-118-142.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:18] less +F is nice, you can hit ^C, move around/search/whatever, then hit F to go back to "realtime" mode [03:21] well [03:21] ethtool eth0 -> http://pastebin.com/m4231bb49 [03:22] route -n -> http://pastebin.com/d2fdd0333 [03:22] Link detected: no <--- that's what you expect, right? (no cable in eth0 right now?) [03:22] sorry [03:22] ... [03:22] the link is on eth1 [03:22] ethtool eth1 -> http://pastebin.com/m23dbd8ca [03:23] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-139-238.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:23] rc.inet1.conf -> http://pastebin.com/m539d5b23 [03:23] Link detected: yes <--- this one's supposed to have the cable in it, yes? [03:23] yes [03:24] .conf doesn't look horribly wrong either [03:25] i'll unplug the cable on the linux [03:25] and plug on this machine [03:25] hold on [03:25] and try to log again here [03:25] ok [03:25] we need the output of "ifconfig eth0" and "ifconfig eth1" [03:25] (wait, what cable are you unplugging?) [03:25] shonudo (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:27] ifconfig -> http://pastebin.com/m265514e9 [03:27] the eth0 is down [03:27] only the eth1 is up [03:27] the one with the cable [03:27] it's a pci card [03:28] back to my cable questions...have you tried another cable yet? [03:28] so when you run "ifconfig" all by itself, you don't see eth0 in it? That is how it should be... [03:28] yes I only see the eth1 and lo [03:29] Urchlay: look at line 8 in the pastebin.... [03:29] now, how about "route -n"? [03:29] route -n -> http://pastebin.com/d2fdd0333 [03:29] oh for fsck sake. i give up [03:29] RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:6768 (6.6 KiB) <--- that? [03:29] yeah that [03:29] nooneelse: have you tried another cable yet? [03:30] no I'll be more extreme and try this machine cable =x [03:30] nooneelse: your routing table looks fine, too [03:30] be right back [03:30] eh, I'm gonna vote for the cable, too [03:31] it's 3:30AM and there's a huge dog sleeping on my foot. I think I'm trapped... [03:32] Urchlay: yup, you're not going anywhere. :P [03:32] nooneelse (n=machine@unaffiliated/nooneelse) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:33] Action: slava_dp wanted to write that he loves dogs but feared for an [ in bed ] comment and refrained. [03:33] haha [03:33] If a different cable still doesn't fix it, try a different switch port. If a different cable and switch port still fail, disable eth1 and setup eth0 as a test. [03:33] nooneelse (n=machine@201-75-91-58-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [03:33] oh damn it [03:33] so [03:33] antiwire: lol [03:33] I'm now using the cable that was on the eth1 [03:34] and the cable that was on this machine is on the linux [03:34] If a different cable still doesn't fix it, try a different switch port. If a different cable and switch port still fail, disable eth1 and setup eth0 as a test. [03:34] the 2 cables are ok [03:34] it's strange cause when i'm pinging the TX bytes still 6.6 [03:35] it doesn't increases with the pinging command [03:35] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.22.118) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:36] i still think you have a layer 1 issue [03:36] layer 1 ? [03:36] what does this mean ? [03:36] layer 1 = physical layer [03:37] well as I said the two cables worked fine on this machine [03:37] and that is just one part of it. [03:37] I don't think it could be the cable [03:37] ...now you know the cables themselves are good. [03:38] I would disable eth1 and setup eth0 and then try to ping a windows system using eth0 [03:38] can i launch a borderless window? want to print an "xmessage" without the window manager overhead. [03:38] and the linux machine was with a windows xp running the network card ok (eth0(onboard chip)) [03:38] make sure the cable is plugged into the right port [03:38] antiwire, what do you do for a living? [03:39] yeah, the lack of TX bytes increasing, means the kernel can't figure out where to send the packet (which is causing your "dest unreach" error)... but nothing in your configs or command output is showing the cause of that, unless (a) you've got iptables rules you haven't told us about, or (b) I'm half-asleep [03:39] antiwire yes it is, eth0->onboard eth1->pci [03:39] slak: I'm flattered that you have taken an interest in my affairs. [03:39] nooneelse: ok [03:39] antiwire is having an affair? pics or it didn't happen! [03:40] Urchlay no no this is a clean install of slackware 12.2 [03:40] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [03:40] and iptables -L look accept and cleaned chains [03:40] ok [03:40] nooneelse: disable eth1 and setup eth0 now [03:40] ok [03:40] actually move the cable over and ifconfig eth1 down [03:40] antiwire, it is a proper question... at this enviroment... [03:41] antiwire, its not very personal... [03:41] slak: what I do for a living is not personal? [03:41] antiwire well done [03:41] antiwire can I configure to eth0 now ? [03:42] yes [03:42] antiwire, "very" [03:42] on ifconfig now both are down [03:42] i'll set up inet1.conf and restart with rc.inet1 restart [03:42] nooneelse: sounds good. [03:42] morning peeps [03:43] dive, where r u from? [03:43] slak: I do a lot of different things. [03:43] cuz its still night where i am [03:43] UK, why? [03:43] antiwire ok done [03:43] antiwire now the eth0 is up [03:43] antiwire, ok good start go on ;) [03:44] he leverages his proactive web-facing e-commerce strategies [03:44] antiwire dmesg shows: eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 [03:44] scubacuda (n=rog@netblock-68-183-173-103.dslextreme.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:44] nooneelse: what IP did you give eth0? [03:44] dive, where in UK. England? [03:44] (which is marketing for "this sentence contains no meaning") [03:44] antiwire: eth0: noIPv6 routers present [03:44] 192.168.2.20 [03:44] nooneelse: ignore that [03:44] slak, a place just south of london that you probably won't have heard of [03:44] nooneelse: ok, now try to ping a windows box [03:44] oh, and I fogot to throw "paradigm" in there somewhere. That one's always a favorite. [03:45] now worked the ping Oo [03:45] eth1 might have a problem [03:45] aka layer 1 [03:45] dive, bet i've heard [03:45] broken card [03:45] crappy driver for card [03:45] card not all the way plugged in [03:45] beer spilled on card... I have no idea, just throwing ideas out :) [03:46] slak, sorry but I really don't want to talk about it ok? [03:46] ok dive [03:46] dive, do you like the kooks? [03:46] heck, maybe both cables have crimps in them so they're only sort-of good, and the eth1 card is more picky about the cable than eth0 is? [03:46] nooneelse: you now know that your system's software side of the networking stack is functioning and your problem *probably* exists somewhere between the eth1 card and the drivers [03:47] slak, the what? [03:47] slak: what do you do for a living? [03:47] and why are you curious about what I do? [03:47] antiwire: he conducts surveys and gathers demographic data on IRC users, of course! [03:47] I want money for my data. [03:47] dive, how come you dont know the kooks [03:48] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:48] antiwire: don't we all... [03:48] slak, you mean the band? [03:48] never really heard them [03:49] patented fire|bird nick-a-like generator just came up with leafing|frontal [03:49] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Connection timed out [03:49] hahaha [03:49] spun the wheel again, got terrorizing|frills [03:49] I actually kinda like that one [03:49] fire|bird, what is this nick generator? [03:50] echo "`sort -R /usr/share/dict/words |head -1`|`sort -R /usr/share/dict/words |head -1`" [03:50] hygiene|pages? [03:50] antiwire, im a taxman [03:50] see, a lot of that stuff, *almost* seems to mean something [03:50] registering|nitrogen [03:50] exerted|psychoanalyst [03:51] slak: I forgive you. [03:51] I don't [03:51] fisticuff|squirmed [03:51] monopolizing|windows [03:51] hahaha [03:51] "Should five percent appear too small... be thankful I don't take it all" [03:51] slava_dp: you really got that? [03:51] antiwire, tax collector [03:51] Urchlay, i swear i did [03:51] serenity|weekend [03:51] slava_dp: that absolutely rocks :) [03:51] slava_dp: that's awesome [03:52] lol still laughing at thhat [03:52] hatefulness|quadrupole [03:53] lol, battery|bum [03:53] Howdy, nick generator is interesting, concentrated|slicer here [03:53] hathalsal (n=hathalsa@87.109.229.246) left ##slackware. [03:53] what the heck is a quadropole? Guy from Poland who's paralyzed from the neck down? [03:54] fire|bird: it's describing my laptop (which has a bum battery) [03:54] Urchlay: haha, some of this does make sense: crazy|convictions [03:54] lol [03:55] ingeniously|styling [03:55] nooneelse (n=machine@unaffiliated/nooneelse) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:55] lol, colicky|beagle [03:56] that's a good Ubuntu joke name [03:56] yes [03:56] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:56] serious|blizzard [03:56] antiwire: haha, yeah, it is. [03:56] the dog that was sleeping on my foot, isn't a beagle... but he might be colicky [03:56] I just got sonic|deadline [03:56] offensive|grandchildren [03:56] haha [03:57] sexual|sultans [03:57] flea|stopcocks [03:57] haha [03:57] damn, we're easily amused... [03:57] stopcock|overlooked [03:57] appearers|disfigured [03:58] you got stopcock and stopcocks right close together? [03:58] yeah [03:58] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.42.229) joined ##slackware. [03:58] writing|hundred [03:58] programmability|filth [03:58] chief|bootleg [03:58] upgrades|refused [03:58] lol [03:58] farmhouse|disagreement [03:58] hey, chief|bootleg might actually make someone a decent IRC nick [03:58] shut|up [03:59] antiwire: that's for sure Ubuntu :) [03:59] dells|costume [03:59] get|bent [03:59] doods|please [03:59] stop|now [03:59] floppily|reawaken [03:59] ha [03:59] I think dive's random number generator is broken... [03:59] stinky|salamander [04:00] here ya go Urchlay: beards|cautioned [04:00] koala|contemporary [04:00] antiwire: that's probably going to be a real release of ubuntu someday [04:00] rewardingly|ruthlessly [04:00] wow [04:00] ungrounded|elevation [04:01] Stinky Salamander will come between Retarded Rhesus and Testicle-less Tapir [04:01] changeability|exciting [04:01] submerged|nicely [04:01] electric|turmoils [04:01] anyway the dog woke up & moved, now I can go get a sammich... [04:02] throbbing|member [04:02] antiwire: that was the name of a local Atlanta metal band in the 1980s [04:02] sexist|produces [04:02] ahahah [04:02] Hmmm, sexist|produces|throbbing|menber ? [04:02] member [04:02] nooneelse (n=machine@201-75-91-58-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [04:02] menber? [04:02] typo [04:03] s/menber/member [04:03] or freudian slip? [04:03] sexist|produces|throbbing|member [04:03] hitchhikers|yelling [04:04] benefitted|missionaries [04:04] . [04:04] accelerate|chews [04:05] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:05] paced|incorrectly [04:05] marijuana|treated [04:05] foiled|carefully [04:05] woofer|wiretappers [04:06] haha, cockroach|wives [04:07] anyway, as fun as this is, it's time to get going. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening} everyone. Take care. [04:07] yar [04:07] cya [04:07] thanks for the fun fire|bird [04:07] I gotta try to sleep too [04:07] cya dive [04:07] later Urchlay [04:07] (not that I'm likely to succeed in the next hour or 2...) [04:07] see ya a750mhzslinky :) [04:08] nooneelse (n=machine@201-75-91-58-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: [04:09] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware ("Here I go!"). [04:13] Nick change: slava_dp -> recycled|baseman [04:14] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:18] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.42.229) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:19] hrad (n=a@94.241.64.139) joined ##slackware. [04:22] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[05:10] I'm not slacking, my video is compressing! :) [05:10] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: ":)" [05:11] i need a video to watch for free on the web about whatever. if you have come across such a thing today, postpaste the URL please [05:12] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [05:12] streaming? [05:12] yeah sure [05:12] i just want something to look at :/ [05:13] for example a while back i enjoyed watching fyodor's video on nmap 4.75 i think it was [05:13] probably at defcon [05:18] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) joined ##slackware. [05:21] i found one now, so i'll share it :) [05:21] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3689335757681577311 [05:22] v4nelle (n=van@78-104-203.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:23] crud quality though =( [05:23] Slackware needs to become #1 on distrowatch [05:24] Yeah, that's important. [05:24] [05:24] I know it is not important, but it would be nice.... [05:26] can anybody pastebin rc.M because i delete some lines? :) [05:26] I will do it [05:28] paissad (n=paissad@245.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [05:28] http://pastebin.com/d52865e17 [05:29] Nick change: pprkut_ -> pprkut [05:31] Super Lucid Awesome Cool K-rad Winning All-powerful Rad Electronic-system [05:32] o.O [05:32] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [05:33] dchmelik, thanks man...... :) i see it now :) [05:33] did you not get it, TwinReverb? [05:38] i got it, but it wasn't worth while [05:39] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.26.145) joined ##slackware. [05:40] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:40] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.22.38) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:42] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:44] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:44] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [05:45] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:48] ? [05:48] ± / [05:48] ± . | [05:48] | [05:48] gaah, sorry. ssh latency [05:49] nooneelse (n=machine@unaffiliated/nooneelse) joined ##slackware. [05:51] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:52] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:53] Action: The-Croupier waves at the channel [05:53] nooneelse (n=machine@unaffiliated/nooneelse) left irc: Client Quit [05:53] Action: alisonken1noc waves back [05:53] hows everyone doing [05:53] cold [05:53] hiya alisonken1noc [05:53] cold?! [05:53] man its july.... you know that right? [05:53] something about having to work in a refrigerator when your desk is in the noc [05:54] in? a fridge? [05:54] some silly thought that servers need extra cooling when you have 35 stuffed per rack [05:54] lol...i see what you mena [05:54] mean [05:54] alisonken1noc, do you need to be in there? [05:54] and I'm surrounded by about 20 racks [05:55] sounds like fun...;) [05:55] that's where my desk is located [05:55] and none thought that it might be a little cold in there? [05:55] it's actually a nice office with windows looking out over the racks - but still ... [05:55] how long you been doing that [05:56] in this particular instance, started the beginning of the year. When I was in the Navy, it was the same in the computer room of combat systems [05:56] only colder then [05:56] ohhh... nice one [05:56] at least here the floor stays put :) [05:57] a little cold but i bet it pays alright [05:57] (usually) [05:57] lol [05:57] decent enough. plus there's the times I get to work from home [05:57] and the overtime isn't bad either [05:57] alisonken1noc, that is the best part about these kind of jobs.. [05:57] yeah [05:57] alisonken1noc, i wish i could get paid my overtime..i would have more money than bill gates now [05:58] :) [05:58] if they paid overtime in the military ....... [05:58] lol [05:58] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:59] do they have nice chicks in the military there? [05:59] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:59] m00 [06:00] hrad (n=a@94.241.64.139) left irc: "Leaving" [06:00] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:02] I've met my share of both :) [06:02] I do, however, remember a BU Chief that would give Arnie a run for his money [06:03] RobDob (n=rpedrica@41.177.57.138) joined ##slackware. [06:03] The-Croupier: actually, I retired in '96, and am now working in downtown los angeles [06:08] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-193-140.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [06:10] great man...good luck ...hope you find something nice for the office temp [06:10] ;) [06:10] two coats and long pants :) [06:10] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [06:11] Nick change: Moon`Walker -> GATT0 [06:16] gez512 (n=b@host-87-242-37-28.prtelecom.hu) joined ##slackware. [06:19] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl220-151.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:21] slackytude (n=hotline@79.216.151.54) joined ##slackware. [06:21] I can see here serveral vulnerabilities for ProFTPd 1.3.1 to 1.3.2: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=proftpd but there is no update here: http://slackware.com/security/list.php?l=slackware-security&y=2009 This doesn't seem right. Am I looking at the wrong place for a patch? [06:23] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: "adios amigos" [06:25] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [06:27] RaNdY (n=randy@shellium/member/randy) left irc: [06:34] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Client Quit [06:36] rrh_ (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [06:37] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:38] hrm [06:39] proftpd 1.3.2 is on current [06:39] but not in patches [06:39] oh [06:39] that doesn't sound good [06:40] are we supposed to sync with current? I though that I should sync with the 12.2/patches/packages directory [06:40] yes, thats correct, getting stuff from patches should be enough [06:41] not sure why its not in patches, guess Im gonna ask later [06:41] you could grab the slackbuild for 12.2's proftpd and use the 1.3.2 source [06:42] andrew_46 (n=andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew46) joined ##slackware. [06:42] not sure if you can use the 13 package. could work but who knows [06:43] indeed [06:43] I mean I could compile 1.3.2a with 1.3.1's slackbuild [06:46] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [06:47] RobDob (n=rpedrica@41.177.57.138) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:47] zx10k1 (n=nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) joined ##slackware. [06:48] nick4, you could write an email or wait till alienBOB or someone comes along [06:48] yes [06:50] glad thats settled then ^-^ [06:51] anybody installing successfully wine on slack 64|? [06:52] it tell me... configure: error: Cannot build a 32-bit program, you need to install 32-bit development libraries. [06:52] v4nelle, yeah, need the 32bit dev stuff, just like it says [06:53] v4nelle: you can get fred's compat32 packages here: ftp://anorien.warwick.ac.uk/slamd64/slackware64-current/ [06:53] slackfan (n=meine@M165c.m.pppool.de) joined ##slackware. [06:57] ok....thx [07:03] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:06] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [07:06] rrh_ (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:06] nick4_ (n=fffeop@adsl209-43.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:15] andrew_46 (n=andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew46) left ##slackware. [07:17] so if you dont use proftp..then theres no vulnerability ;) right? [07:17] did i read correctly? we sync with 12.2/patches? [07:19] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-6-201.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:19] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-3-24.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:20] Slackware's proftpd is not vulnerable [07:20] We do not ship the mod_sql module at all [07:21] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl220-151.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:21] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [07:21] v4nelle (n=van@78-104-203.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:22] Ah now he ran away, the nick4 [07:23] Drowen (n=Drow@5ac7dcc5.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [07:24] Hi, is there a way to run a bash script when i do 'su' in slack? I want to basically have colors in ls, when using su. I was thinking of having a script run after successfully doing a su, that would do an alias ls="ls --color" [07:25] Drowen: `su -` [07:25] sources env which has coloring in it [07:25] heh, wicked, thanks alot [07:25] shoulda thought of that really, lol [07:25] but thanks [07:26] Drowen (n=Drow@5ac7dcc5.bb.sky.com) left irc: Client Quit [07:27] nick4_ (n=fffeop@adsl209-43.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [07:28] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [07:29] Zordrak, "coloring"? british english turns american? =) [07:36] systrik (n=c7de@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [07:42] "color"ing [07:42] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [07:42] cocococococ [07:43] tbagg (n=Tom@ool-182dbb2d.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [07:46] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:49] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:49] kejen_ (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:50] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:51] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:53] hey I've got some questions reguarding partitioning the different sectors of the hard drive in preperation for a slackware install -- what percentage of my HD go to the different directories like /home/tom, etc ? I've got a 150 gig HD, by the way. [07:53] Installed it a few months ago just fucking around and had no issues until I got smoked a few bong hits and chose to "optimize" my box... [07:54] whichever way you want. personally, I usually setup (in order): /boot (1G), / (10G), swap (4G), /home (rest) [07:54] 1GB for /boot ?! [07:54] O_o [07:55] when you may have several kernels and stuff, it helps to have enough room for good kernels as well as test kernels :) [07:55] ah [07:55] 200mb should be plenty ;) [07:55] ^ pr0 [07:55] thanks guys <3 [07:55] thrice`: that works if you only use the stock kernel - but even having both -huge and -generic takes up some room [07:55] I'll be installing it again today after I get back from CVS with a bottle of amphetamines [07:56] :D [07:56] alisonken1noc: my kernels are like 2MB :> 200mb can hold a few [07:56] usually i like to keep / a bit bigger than 10GB also, at least 15GB [07:56] I also look at the other files, plus I sometimes play with grub (work issue since they use debian) [07:56] unless you have /usr on a separate partition [07:56] and /var [07:57] actually, because /usr is used for sysetm stuff, it's easier to keep it with the root for when you upgrade [07:57] I was thinking of putting /var on it's own as this will be a web, DNS, everything else server [07:57] true [07:57] the only other thing I might try is a separate 20G /opt [07:57] or separate /usr/local [07:58] that too [07:58] currently i only have a / and /home and a 200GB disk on /mnt/storage [07:58] this is my pc at the office [07:58] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [07:58] i dont run linux at home so.. [07:59] I do - slackware/slamd64 [07:59] so I guess it's just a matter of how you'd like your system set up? it won't effect performance at all? [07:59] not really [07:59] nope [07:59] ahh [07:59] Good Morning [07:59] I like that /usr/local jammy though [07:59] the only performance hit is execution, not so much file layout [08:00] CyberS0nic: yo [08:00] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:01] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [08:02] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:03] I read in the slackware bible or whatever it's called that one should prepare their system for future upgrades and such by -- I think -- partitioning /usr/local or /usr/share or something so that none of your data gets overwritten/removed [08:03] is that so ? [08:03] /home, that's all [08:04] alrighty =D [08:04] first I heard of that. I've heard about keeping data stuff separate (like /home), but backup /etc so you have something to work with on the new system [08:04] thanks again [08:04] slackfan (n=meine@M165c.m.pppool.de) left ##slackware. [08:04] doesn't mean upgrade, then restore /etc from your backup, but things like xorg.conf from your old setup may help with pointers for the new setup [08:05] true true [08:06] I've started backing up my shit after that little smoke resulted in such major damage [08:06] too bad there's nothing worth backing up on my ubuntu box [08:06] doh! [08:09] 400 dollar bong + best bud around + crisp slackware 12 install running sooo fine =-=-=-=-> :'[ [08:13] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. 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[08:31] oh, xf86-video-intel-2.8 :p [08:31] alsonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:32] http://www.bash.org/?17712 [08:32] tbagg: in that case - go with -current :) [08:32] damn, pidgin failed me [08:32] sorry - was talking about the bong+bud+slack12 comment [08:33] Action: Zordrak needs to meet the face of sonicwall... so he can cause permanent scarring [08:33] man after that day I didn't touch a computer for like 2 weeks [08:33] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [08:33] oh, oswatershed.com updated [08:33] err, .org [08:33] and now they list -current [08:34] they also monitor ubuntu 604 and slackware 2 :) [08:35] tbagg: lol :) [08:35] slackare 2? [08:35] funtoo? another ubuntu fork? [08:35] tbagg: no idea [08:35] funtoo is done by the original gentoo creator [08:35] sounds like a gentoo fork :) [08:35] ok, /me away again, laterz [08:36] slava_dp: or ubuntu+gentoo :D [08:36] =o [08:36] I think its time for a lucky strike [08:36] I know! ubuntu packages and system distributed à-la gentoo! :D [08:36] http://www.osnews.com/story/21860/Double-Take_Microsoft_Contributes_Drivers_to_Linux_Community [08:40] omg. ms decided that it will introduce some bugs to the linux kernel? oh, great. [08:41] lmao! [08:41] watch a shitload of local roots pop u [08:42] pop up* [08:46] blacksheep (n=blackshe@97.115.178.251) joined ##slackware. [08:46] sup slackers! [08:47] where could I find libgtkglext1-dev [08:47] ? [08:47] im lookin all over google w/ no luck [08:47] blacksheep: slack does not have separate dev packages [08:47] this is not redhat [08:47] ...redhat?...... [08:47] ive never gone that low.... [08:47] ;P [08:48] na, im tryin to run pSX and im getting an error that it cant find libgtkext1-x11-1.0.so.0 [08:49] do you have gtk1 installed? [08:49] well, I tried redhat about 8 years ago :) [08:49] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/gtkglext/ [08:50] slava_dp: <3 [08:50] ahem, ok [08:51] :p [08:51] SBo's search engine needs to be more forgiving [08:51] mandrake linux popped my cherry [08:51] slack did mine, w/ slakware 10 [08:51] but i dident stick to it [08:51] damn you like it rough [08:52] i went to kubuntu for a few years [08:52] ;] [08:52] kde ? [08:52] yea [08:52] jdjdjdsd [08:52] my first was with sls on 12 floppies :) [08:52] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:52] that's OG for ya [08:52] alisonken1noc: :o [08:53] the one distro i havent tryed yet that im still curious about is FreeBSD [08:53] or *BSD [08:53] Zlizir (n=mike@74.77.18.63) joined ##slackware. [08:53] that's not a distro [08:53] yea I've never really even read into it. its not even a linux distro technically, right? [08:53] lol [08:54] its a BSD flavor ^-^ [08:54] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.58.37) joined ##slackware. [08:54] slackytude! [08:54] it's a BSD distro [08:54] bsd is not considered linux? [08:54] nope [08:54] slackytude, "flavour" ;) [08:54] why not? not GPL? [08:54] not even close. BSD predates linux [08:54] BSD is UNIX [08:54] erh [08:54] get your euro-spelling outtttaaa here [08:54] y0 Camarade_Tux , slava_dp [08:54] *linux is a kernel* [08:55] damn spelling nazis [08:55] BSD was originated at Berkely, CA during the mainframe era [08:55] <3 [08:55] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) joined ##slackware. [08:55] right, linux is kernel, GNU is OS [08:55] and its avaible under the BSD license [08:55] No [08:55] the confusion is complete! [08:55] Yes [08:55] :) [08:55] Maybe [08:55] gnu isn't an os, gnu+bsd makes one :D [08:55] sup ailen [08:56] and that's alienBOB's final word [08:56] hey thanks for all ur kick ass tutorials man [08:56] gnu+linux makes one :) [08:56] Zpeek engrish pleez [08:56] they've been helpin me out quite a bit [08:56] Lets all eat at the Shitty Wok! [08:56] slackware is as close to BSD as a linux gets [08:57] einein eichmen! los los los ! [08:57] what do you mean ? [08:57] tek your rder pwees [08:57] Dominian: did you get my link last night on slamd64 channel? [08:57] alienBOB: last 3 lines i posted were fer u [08:57] alisonken1noc: yeah, but I'm pretty sure there is a way to do that through grsecurity... [08:57] ok- just something else to read out [08:57] aye [08:58] it was definitely interesting [08:58] yes, be preprared for the openSSH attack that is coming ... [08:58] the jre on windows: a pentium 166MHz or faster processor with at least 64MB of physical RAM is recommended :D [08:58] thrice`: blah [08:58] :D [08:58] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-204-182.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:58] I'm running windows right now, I'm safe -_- [08:58] that's today, no? [08:58] thrice`: supposedly [08:59] slackadelic has grsecurity.. good luck [08:59] afaik, the exploit would get root privs.. but with grsecurity.. it would do them no good [08:59] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:59] slackytude : how is 'slackware as close to bsd as linux gets'? that myth keeps coming up over and over, yet there is little merit to it [09:00] slackware uses the same startup sequence as bsd in the /etc/rc.d scripts [09:00] alisonken1noc : hardly [09:00] so? the kernel, packaging, file system structure is all different [09:00] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-204-182.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [09:00] gentoo with its portage is closer to what people might expect from bsd [09:01] well, I was feeling right at home when I tried it out. Im guessing a suse user might have to change his workflow more [09:01] ananke: the slackware flavor is bsd-ish, the other distros use the sysvinit-ish with the /etc/init.d and the Kxxxx and Sxxx links [09:01] not all :) slackware is certainly not unique in its rc.d use [09:01] it has nothing to do with the package management as far as flavor goes [09:01] thrice`: true [09:02] Slackware 12.1. I'm trying to compile an Ada program that use GtkAda, and it throws this error at me: /usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0: undefined reference to `g_once_init_leave' [09:02] crux linux, for example, uses rc.d init system, and uses a ports system for package management. I would find it much more "bsd-like" than slackware [09:02] Is my Pango library too old perhaps? [09:02] packaging is one of the most essential things that make it a given flavor/os [09:04] TL_CLD: where did you get the ada bindings from? I mean, have you compiled the bindings by yourself? [09:04] Hmm, perhaps it's glib that is too old [09:04] Camarade_Tux, Yes, compiled using gpl08 [09:04] TL_CLD, or too new [09:04] TL_CLD: which version of slackware are you using? [09:04] 12.1 [09:04] guax: iirc too old [09:05] alisonken1noc : slackware still has runlevels linux runlevels. that's different than bsd [09:05] yeah, too old :) [09:05] archimandrita (n=pacus@216.Red-81-33-250.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [09:05] TL_CLD: you should update slackware, slackpkg is your friend [09:05] Camarade_Tux, aways a possibility =P [09:05] Yea, i got the same problem when i tried to upgrade gpl08 to gpl09. [09:05] BSD does not even know the concept of a runlevel [09:05] doh, i repeated 'runlevels' :) [09:05] TL_CLD: you upgraded using a package or by compilation? [09:06] Camarade_Tux, Yea, I should upgrade - I'm just waiting for 13 to come out. [09:06] man, I hate it when I start a flamewar by some off hand comment [09:06] and vim is better than emacs [09:06] slackytude : there is no flame war [09:06] about vim, slackytude++ <- start of the flamewar :D [09:07] alienBOB, Is there a Slackware package for gpl09?? I just downloaded the tarball from the AdaCore libre site. It worked a charm with gpl08, but gpl09 crapped out on me due to glib being too old. [09:07] jre was 16MB here and installed in a few seconds, I'm impressed :o [09:07] TL_CLD: a package would fail too [09:08] Camarade_Tux, Yea, i know. [09:08] I guess there's nothing for me to do, but wait for Slackware 13.. :o) [09:08] I did a preorder for that [09:09] I've got a subscription, so the DVD should just automagically land in my mailbox. Fantastic! [09:09] TL_CLD: you need at least glib 2.14 [09:09] maybe 12.2 has that [09:09] slava_dp: it worked! thanks man [09:09] how much does that run ya? monthly dues? it'd like to support the guy behind the awesomeness [09:10] crap, I need to have two JRE here: x86 and x86_64 =/ [09:10] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@174-23-134-24.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [09:10] write once, run everywhere they said [09:10] Camarade_Tux: why do you need two jre...? [09:10] Unless you're doing java development [09:11] Action: Zordrak just downed another fedora box for its last ever time... [09:11] Dominian: because I'm on win64 right now and have a 32bit java app (or something like that) [09:11] Action: Zordrak dances on its grave [09:11] LMAO http://www.helenkellersimulator.com/ [09:12] tbagg, No monthly dues. Payment is done when the next version becomes available, and then you get the latest DVD in the mail. :o) [09:13] bulletz (n=kerbau@read.rgs.edu.sg) joined ##slackware. [09:13] agentc0re: wth [09:14] ahhh very very nice =D. I think I'll check that out. maybe buy a t-shirt after the install/config [09:15] Getting a Slackware DVD this time is extra interestingbecause the 13.0 release exclusively will be dual-sided with 32bit and 64bit Slackware each on one side [09:15] agentc0re: too hard :D [09:15] alienBOB: yep [09:15] alienBOB, It's a collectors edition! [09:15] And the DVD price was lowered 10 dollars at the same time [09:16] LMAO!! [09:18] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [09:18] "slackware 13: pay less, get more" :) [09:20] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:20] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [09:21] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [09:22] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:22] lol, IE8 won't let me download a .mov file from ftp, it wants to open it with WMP >< [09:22] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:23] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-6bb8a9e13c2cf8b4) joined ##slackware. [09:23] Slackware 13 "KillBill" edition [09:24] "Blood on the Dancefloor ed." [09:25] save the url in a html file > right click > save targetizzle [09:25] well in ya knoq [09:25] Camarade_Tux, get a different browser [09:25] ha that too [09:25] get a different os :) [09:25] Camarade_Tux, did you want to write your own? [09:26] dew ett [09:27] StevenR (n=foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:27] Camarade_Tux, *didnt [09:29] heading home [09:29] blacksheep (n=blackshe@97.115.178.251) left irc: "Peace!" [09:29] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [09:30] please... someone has using webcam in 12.2 - current ? [09:31] ok, win7 crashed on its own (downloading files from local ftp in ie) twice, and with the exact same error [09:31] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:31] Action: Camarade_Tux is on slackware now, downloading with links since the mouse decided to stop working in X [09:31] slackytude: yeah, still on it, it's progressing but not done yet ;) [09:32] maybe by the end of summer [09:32] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [09:32] StevenR (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:34] win7 x64 beta was really stable, this rc doesn't seem great... [09:34] Camarade_Tux: So they fixed it then. [09:36] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Java user signed off" [09:37] Camarade_Tux, how so? [09:37] Action: slackytude sees no diff in beta vs rc [09:37] agentc0re, lol [09:40] of course we dont do much with the rc except look at the pretty screensaver [09:40] its just there to test our app with [09:41] altho they didnt include that nifty screensaver the beta had [09:42] agentc0re: yeah, everything is bak to normal ;) [09:42] slackytude: here it crashes easily :) [09:42] will try to reproduce tonight, at work atm ;) [09:42] really? must be your pc [09:42] yeah [09:42] slackytude: noticed the welcome screen with the bird? :p [09:43] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Success [09:43] Zlizir (n=mike@74.77.18.63) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:43] hrm, think so. didnt pay much attention [09:44] kejen (n=brian@67.184.223.222) joined ##slackware. [09:44] to the login screen [09:45] hello, in the past day i put here a question about the compilation of oyranos, really I know nothing about to build programs from source I only know the README's and INSTALL's files, I usually compiled an install more programs in slackware, slackware-current and now slackware64-current with a simple ./configure make make install usually, but in slackware64-current I have any problems, but I instal gtk2 and others about [09:45] Eterm. Can you help me linking or making information? [09:47] kejen (n=brian@67.184.223.222) left irc: Client Quit [09:47] archimandrita: pastebin the errors you get when configure/make for that program [09:47] archimandrita: It will help to see the configure line you're using too [09:48] AbsTradELic: yes [09:48] alienBOB: btw.. not sure if it was the kernel change in -current, but the built-in camera for my laptop actually WORKS now :D [09:48] Action: Dominian was blown away [09:49] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0252F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:49] oi, kernel change in current? [09:49] I have several problems to compile GTK2 in example, I install it finally onli with ./configure --libdir=/usr/lib64 [09:49] Dominian: my webcam in the eeepc worked for several kernel versions now [09:50] archimandrita: there is gtk+2 in Slackware - are you trying to compile a newer version? [09:50] kejen_ (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:50] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl209-43.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:51] Its GTK+2 in slackware64 [09:54] alienBOB: well the camera in mine is an ALI Corp [09:54] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:55] alienBOB: not much of support in some of the older kernels up until just before 2.6.30 [09:56] mother shitter [09:56] son of an [09:56] ass [09:56] I lost my slackware DVD >< [09:57] I joy with GTK+2 for one moth but finally installed it. If I can't use any I run debian in a virtual machine and use it's binaries [09:58] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:58] slysir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:58] zx10k1 (n=nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) left irc: "Leaving" [09:58] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [09:59] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) left irc: "leaving" [10:02] My solution for GTK+2 = ./configure --libdir=/usr/lib64 and a good graphical conceptual tree of it's dependences [10:03] I search information about work with source code since three years, but i can't find another ./configure make make install [10:04] I am not a developer, I only develop any programs for my arduino [10:04] and the scripting in bash [10:05] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [10:06] any modification of any scripts.... and one introduction in python [10:07] But always I find problems with the sources [10:07] ananke: ping [10:10] br00tal (n=br00tal@host-177-156-2-96.midco.net) left irc: "Leaving." [10:10] sorry I work in the computers since 9 years, and I can't connect with the people in this years i don't know but it is and its my second intent for the irc [10:11] archimandrita: with 64bit... [10:11] yes [10:11] you should b elooking at a base configure line such as: [10:11] CFLAGS="-O2 -fPIC" ./configure --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib64 [10:11] why isn't this allowing me to use my ftp client? [10:11] iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 21 -j ACCEPT [10:11] iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 20 -j ACCEPT [10:11] nick4: Er.. you have outbound traffic firewalled? [10:12] Dominian yes [10:12] ./configure --libdir=/usr/lib64 [10:16] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.1) joined ##slackware. [10:16] nick4, you were asking about proftpd earlier, right? [10:17] slackytude yes, I sent the e-mail. Now I am trying to setup vsftpd but I first need to figure out how to put my firewall correctly [10:17] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:18] nick4, alienbob talked about it, there reason the slackware proftpd package isnt patched is because it comes with out the mysql module, in wich the error was [10:18] s/there/the [10:18] hence, no need for a patch in 12.2 [10:18] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.58.37) left irc: "Leaving" [10:19] ah, so the bug doesn't effect our build [10:19] thanks [10:19] If I was here when he said it, I wouldn't have sent the e-mail [10:19] well, actually you were [10:19] oh [10:19] you went off shortly after he said so [10:19] let me see the log [10:20] Slackware's proftpd is not vulnerable [10:20] We do not ship the mod_sql module at all [10:20] * nick4 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [10:20] yes, I saw it [10:20] at 13:22 on my clock [10:20] Wilblake (n=Wilblake@unaffiliated/wilblake) joined ##slackware. [10:20] ~ 14:XX in mine :P [10:21] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [10:23] I've done wrong? [10:25] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [10:27] 30 minutes before I can go home [10:27] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl209-43.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [10:27] I wanna go home :( [10:28] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:32] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE6288.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:36] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [10:36] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:37] it is for The I work? [10:38] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:40] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:40] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:43] artv61 (n=artv61@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [10:45] why [10:45] ? [10:45] why so serious? 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[11:05] bkUp (n=bkUp@200-155-169-154.static.spo.ifx.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:05] its some sort of beatnick poetry [11:05] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-132-69.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [11:05] rather provocative in a surreal way [11:06] yes I am [11:07] In this moment I moved all of my work to linux [11:07] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "Init[0]" [11:07] archimandrita: I am afraid nobody is understanding what you are saying... 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[11:11] boyeah [11:11] Action: slackytude waves [11:11] slackytude (n=hotline@79.216.151.54) left irc: "Leaving" [11:12] init[1] (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [11:12] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [11:12] for years I mount hardware and install windows for the homes [11:14] last 7 years I profundize in photography and I especialized in printing systems [11:14] also cut systems [11:14] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.1) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:16] Really I like understand all but I only profundized in Photography computers and welding [11:17] genericFlounder (n=genericF@adsl-99-130-197-12.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:18] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:18] Now I usually proofing papers for labs and prints.... ICC ICM [11:19] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-132-69.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [11:19] I am a rare person not sociable what make photos of the insects [11:20] Nick change: init[1] -> init[1]|znc [11:21] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) joined ##slackware. [11:21] Wiren (n=aad@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:21] a good resume of my person it's one image [11:21] a moment [11:21] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: ".." [11:22] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-131-191.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:23] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [11:23] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:23] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:24] blacksheep (n=blackshe@97-115-178-251.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:26] http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/7795/slack.jpg this is part of my work in slackware [11:27] danselfly in english, Horse of devil in spanish [11:27] the gtk+2 or her libs are for rawtherapee [11:28] the oyranos is for iccexamin for examinate my profiles [11:29] archimandrita: what in hell are you blabbering on about? [11:30] And how the fscking heck has it *any* relevance to Slackware. [11:30] budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [11:31] Action: GATT0 re [11:31] joannis (n=joannis@viw0knzkhp.adsl.datanet.hu) joined ##slackware. [11:32] but in slackware I migrated all my work on photography CMS and native calibration the screens include [11:32] Action: BP{k} looks for a tecra to slap archimandrita around with. [11:33] Slackware make moore free my photos [11:33] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.164.54) joined ##slackware. [11:34] archimandrita: are you using google to translate your sentences? [11:34] in part [11:34] yes [11:34] it shows. [11:35] moore your sentences [11:35] lol [11:35] now I know lol [11:35] yesterday not [11:36] >.< [11:36] my ovjetive it's know photography at low level with I know my lab [11:37] photoshop and windows not response my questions [11:37] blacksheep (n=blackshe@97-115-178-251.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:38] Zordrak, it's still understandable English though =] [11:38] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-25-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:41] BP{k}: Oh snap! epic pwnage! :D [11:41] gabriel (n=gabriel@nat-wifi-voip.campus.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [11:41] NthDegree: for very loose definitions of "understandable"? [11:42] lets break up the word understandable shall we? [11:42] Under. Usually below something. [11:42] archimandrita: #photography is over there ------> [11:42] that way: unde ble nda rstanda? [11:42] Stand.. Upright or on their feet. [11:42] Able... Capable of doing something [11:43] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [11:43] I can't learning there I know all [11:43] o_O [11:43] archimandrita: well you're dribbling on about photography which has nothing to do with slackware. [11:44] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-23.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:44] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:45] ???? the photography it's only 1's and 0's [11:45] steiger (n=steiger@200.128.60.12) joined ##slackware. [11:45] it's slackware 1's and 0's [11:45] ? [11:45] blacksheep (n=blackshe@97-115-178-251.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:45] ok so i just got done building a new kernel [11:46] i got linux-2.6.28 [11:46] archimandrita: ms-windows is 1's and 0's, we don't support that here either. [11:46] patched it for bootsplash, make initrd everything [11:46] everything done correctly [11:46] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [11:46] yes but it's have duty conditions [11:46] and it boots up good, has bootsplash, but it stops at "starting X11..." [11:47] could updateing kernel version mess with x somehow? [11:47] What a nice little troll :P [11:47] BP{k}, he's saying how good Slackware is and how it's helped with his photography. Then mentioned how he couldn't get his questions answered in such an easy way with Windows and Photoshop (since there's no proper community there...) :P [11:47] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:47] BP{k}, so it's understandandable ^^ [11:47] errr... [11:47] Action: NthDegree typoed :$ [11:47] oh yeah. that makes sense [11:47] NthDegree: you realy understood more than I did :D [11:48] NthDegree: he could have said that and be done about 45 minutes ago. [11:48] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [11:49] blacksheep: yes, updating the kernel can mess with x somehow. specially if you`re using intel X drivers [11:49] BP{k}, if he knew the right words to say, English isn't everyone's first (or second, or third...) language [11:49] steiger: on this system its nVidia [11:49] would be great if it was though ^^ [11:50] blacksheep: you're running your system at runlevel 5, right? (X starts together with the system). check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for any errors [11:51] OK I undertand this [11:51] sweet thanks [11:52] blacksheep: did you enable nvidiafb in the kernel? [11:53] roelof (i=0@cc496655-a.hnglo1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:53] Camarade_Tux: im not shure, is that under the 'make menuconfig' section somewhere? [11:53] yes, somewhere :p [11:53] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:53] Hello, i try to run autokey, but i get a message that the evdev deamon cannot be find [11:54] with lsmod i can see that evdev deamon is running [11:54] what now ? [11:54] lsmod lists kernel modules not processes so it doesn't mean anything that lsmod shows evdev [11:55] blacksheep: to see if you enabled nvidiafb, check `cat /usr/src/wherever_your_kernel_source_is/.config | grep NVIDIA` [11:55] evdev doesn't have a daemon [11:55] it's a kernel thread [11:55] then i have a big problem [11:55] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:55] roelof, no you don't..you probably mean udev :P [11:55] roelof: run: ps -e |grep evdev [11:56] hitest (n=George@S0106001cf045968f.ca.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:56] Camarade_Tux, even with evdev compiled directly in it won't show [11:57] it's called "events" internally IIRC [11:57] ok, well, I don't know enough about evdev to comment on that [11:57] Action: Camarade_Tux has events/0 and events/1 [11:57] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [11:57] i now get a message : garbage option [11:57] udev deals with device PnP [11:57] without that a lot of things won't work [11:58] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:58] roelof, copy and paste the error message to us ^^ [11:58] the error message is : Error starting interface. Keyboard monitoring will be disabled. [11:58] Check your system/configuration. [11:58] Unable to connect to EvDev daemon: [11:58] Channel flood from roelof -- kicking [11:58] [Errno 2] Bestand of map bestaat niet [11:58] roelof kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [11:58] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434681.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Connection timed out [11:59] phroggy (n=phroggy@webwizardry.net) joined ##slackware. [11:59] roelof (i=0@cc496655-a.hnglo1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:59] forgot about the floodkick :$ [11:59] That's weird, since evdev doesn't have a daemon [11:59] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430989.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:59] I've had two completely unrelated 10.2 machines break in precisely the same way, 12 hours apart. Is there ANY chance this could be something other than coincidental hardware failure? Hotplug is hanging. [12:00] phroggy, did you update them both lately? [12:00] Action: Alan_Hicks slams his head into the desk repeatedly. [12:00] yes, probably so [12:00] with slackpkg [12:01] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [12:01] and if anything broke in an update, I wouldn't know about it until they rebooted [12:01] hitest (n=George@S0106001cf045968f.ca.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:01] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-123-112.multimo.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:01] phroggy: Especially if it was a kernel update. [12:01] kernel updates are blacklisted [12:01] it can't be that. [12:02] Don't be certain. slackpkg is good, but not entirely unfallible. [12:02] ok, but let's assume it's not a kernel update, but could be any other update [12:02] and when you say "break", what do you mean, you can't even access the bios? [12:04] no, it's just freezing when trying to run rc.hotplug [12:04] and not "freezing" like the whole system locks up; ctrl-alt-del still works perfectly [12:05] if you run "find /etc -iname "*.new" , do you get a few results? [12:06] oke, thank you, i will try to find a autokey forum and ask there. [12:07] cylux (n=cylux@CPE00032f37fa0d-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:07] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:08] blacksheep (n=blackshe@97-115-178-251.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:08] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:08] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151138048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:08] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.164.54) joined ##slackware. [12:10] gabriel (n=gabriel@nat-wifi-voip.campus.utfsm.cl) left irc: "leaving" [12:12] thrice`: no [12:12] I try to take care of .new files when doing upgrades [12:18] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [12:20] br00tal (n=br00tal@host-177-156-2-96.midco.net) joined ##slackware. [12:21] there was a udev update April 20th to fix a local root hole [12:21] digit (n=digit@74.46.65.174) joined ##slackware. [12:23] Hm, anyone configure a trackpoint middle click here? when i cat /dev/psaux everything generates data but the middle click isn't showing anything. I guess it could be outputting a non printable character or something... [12:23] roelof (i=0@cc496655-a.hnglo1.ov.home.nl) left irc: "Ik ga weg" [12:28] nooblet (n=Limited@pool-71-242-221-56.phlapa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:29] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-131-191.aei.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:29] is there a single user mode i can get to from lilo boot? or if not how can i use the slackware dvd as a recovery console... was lilo only accessible from f2 or was it cuz i was halfway threw anothe install process... im having hd errors i need in to run fsck manually [12:30] i finally got an mbr on the drive so it boots itself [12:33] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:33] lilo has no help prompt the man pages are broken without a loading and the harddrive overheats in outa fsck mode around 11%... it starts crashing around 2% but it goes about 3hours and then starts having tons of dma errors at 11%... anyone have some advice? [12:34] outa =auto* [12:34] Buy a ne wdrive. [12:34] negitive this drive is good [12:34] How do you figure? [12:34] i prolly just fcked the sectors or something [12:34] shonudo (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:35] cuz it worked till i installed linux [12:35] maybe when it melted it it did some damage but i need to atleast attempt to repair it [12:35] that means the drive probably _is_ bad. [12:35] nooblet: is the hard drive making any weird sounds? [12:35] i was hoping i could just boot -single [12:35] no [12:35] I can 99% guarantee you that the drive is bad. [12:35] just tell me a way into a single user mode or recover console of some sort [12:36] "overheating" "melted it" - if it wasn't bad before, these are bad signs. [12:36] nooblet: if you are telling us that you think the drive is "melted".... [12:36] with decent tools and docs like lilo fsck [12:36] i mounted it between the other windows drive [12:36] and it was over 120F when i left it to try to boot on its own [12:36] now its infront a fan there is no clicking [12:36] Well, my advice stands: storage is cheap and easy to replace - pitch the drive and move on with your life. [12:36] and its not hot... i just cant do anything slackware installs fine reformats fine [12:36] nooblet: one second,i forgot the option to use a certan partition for booting, will be a second. Alternativly you can always just boot off the disk, should have fsck access. I recommend running badblocks and seeing if it turns up anything. [12:36] refuses to boot [12:37] i dont have 40 dollars to my name [12:37] newegg.com - 1TB drives $89.99 [12:37] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [12:37] im homeless [12:37] i dont have a way to get mail [12:37] eviljames: if only it was like that for laptops =/ [12:38] nooblet: stealing fibre from a cabinet? [12:38] zaltekk: newegg.com - 320GB Hitachi - $69.99 [12:38] 120GB WD $49.99 [12:38] Laptop drives. [12:38] can you drive it to me in downtown philly? [12:38] eviljames: eh....just not the same. i miss the 500gb i bought for that same price for my desktop two years ago [12:38] nooblet, do this: mkfs.ext2 -cc /dev/sda - when it comes to reformatting that takes ages but really tests it inside and out [12:38] maybe next time i get paid [12:39] im only really installing this to do embedded testing [12:39] Yes, you will lose all data, but it will mark any bad sectors and hopefully let you continue to use the drive [12:39] so ext2 is better then ext3? [12:39] oh yeah...i never got this solved last night: screen seems to ignore the alias command, which prevents me from making ls run as ls --color. does anyone know how to work around this? [12:39] im using an ide bus lol [12:39] nooblet, in that case /dev/hda [12:39] nooblet: It's older and more well tested, but should be just fine. [12:40] yeah i know all that man... i just want in [12:40] nooblet, ext2 is older than ext3 and has better handling of badblocks [12:40] ill google lilo hacks [12:40] 36gig root partition i thought was the problem [12:40] Don't google lilo hacks, use slackware 12.2-disc 1 [12:40] 36GB root isn't a problem anymore [12:40] in freebsd i always do the var usr [12:40] That way you aren't trying to boot from possibly bad media. [12:41] also, why lilo? [12:41] it backgrouds the rest [12:41] it came on the 12.2 disk? [12:41] NthDegree: you remember how to boot off a certain parition when using the slackware cd? i forgot =X [12:41] digit, sure do [12:41] do i have another choice im tryin to get in so i can install 13rc [12:41] digit: It's in the welcome/motd message :D [12:41] linux root=/dev/hda1 noinitrd ro [12:41] digit, the CD usually gives an example as to how anyway, so it's no biggy [12:42] yeah.. gives it on boot up actually [12:42] haha i thought it was root=... ! just couldn't find it only haha [12:42] nice i was loading the kernel on the cd and it messes all that up [12:42] DeeeeP_ (n=ngomes@81.193.100.166) joined ##slackware. [12:42] so is there anyway to get it to not fsck and jsut leave the system read only and try to boot [12:42] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@81.193.101.223) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:43] thats what i meant by singleuser mode [12:43] when fsck fails, it offers single user mode [12:43] it doesnt fail [12:43] i left it run 8hours when i slept [12:43] it got to 13% [12:43] but I think you can stick a runlevel number on the end to trigger single user mode [12:43] no errors [12:44] http://stats.autonomica.se/mrtg/sums/All.html after bittorent law took place [12:44] try linux root=/dev/sda1 noinitrd ro S [12:44] Confirmed: this problem is caused by a bug in April 20th's udev security patch [12:44] sweet ill try it... i get this thing working S for runlevel? [12:44] whats the noinitrd ro do? [12:44] it breaks hotplug on two different 10.2 machines. [12:44] Tells it not to use an initrd and to use what ever modules are on the partition iirc [12:44] nooblet, when booting off the slackware CD it bypasses the initrd and ro means read only root mount [12:45] The S means single user mode, IIRC runlevel S is single-user [12:45] as opposed to runlevel 2 [12:45] heh i typed(or misstyped) that once and it said could not fsck already mounted rw [12:45] or runlevel 3 for normal boot [12:45] yeah runlevel 5! [12:46] im going back maybe i will redo the partition info i think something is wrong with the partition table anyways... ill know if i can get fsck open [12:46] thanks again [12:46] nooblet (n=Limited@pool-71-242-221-56.phlapa.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [12:46] if your init scripts are really horked, "linux noinitrd ro root=/dev/sda1 init=/bin/sh" will get you an instant shell with no other processes running (be careful!) [12:48] shonudo (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:50] Urchlay, handy to know [12:50] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Success [12:51] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:51] How stable is 13.0rc1 based on your experiences guys? [12:51] i'm tempted to just grab it now >_> [12:51] you'd want to "mount -o remount,rw /", and when you're done fixing things, "mount -o remount,ro /", then "init 0" to shut down [12:51] current is quite stable. only issues seem to be with KDE & intel graphics [12:52] Action: Zordrak just fell in love with pfSense and wishes it were slack based [12:52] eh, 13.0rc1 has been exceptionally stable for me, but I don't run KDE [12:52] yeah me too^. neither intel graphics [12:52] Anyone using the x86_64 port? [12:52] yea [12:52] sweet ^^ [12:53] sahko: And how. [12:53] once i've dealt with the giveaway box i'll switch over then [12:53] sahko: I'm using kde + intel - it's totally fine w/o compositing. [12:53] erf, i forgot x64 was officially released [12:53] NthDegree: yah, that's the 13.0rc1 I'm referring to :) [12:53] digit (n=digit@74.46.65.174) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:53] cool ^^ [12:54] using nvidia-legacy proprietary driver (vid card is old) [12:55] cool [12:55] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0252F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:55] i'll be using the newest NVIDIA branch [12:55] since my 6200SE is still supported >_> [12:55] anyway, brb.. just gotta deal with a pain in the arse Win2K3 box [12:56] eviljames: yeah results seem to vary. but i wouldnt know exactly [12:56] "deal with it" meaning "smite it a mighty blow with the hammer of the gods"? [12:56] Urchlay, was gonna put slack on it but then the 20GB hard disk broke [12:56] so now Server 2003 needs a reinstall to a 6GB HDD [12:56] Urchlay: I believe "lightning of Thor" or some such treatment would be appropriate. [12:56] digit (n=digit@74.46.65.174) joined ##slackware. [12:56] how old is that 20GB disk? how old is the 6GB one? [12:57] 6GB one came out of a PC that had an NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 in it :P [12:57] so must be 10 years old [12:57] eviljames: I guess hanging it from a tree to sacrifice it to Thor doesn't really have the same punch with machines that it does with people... [12:57] and the PC it's in now has a GeForce 2 MX 400 [12:57] s/Thor/Odin/ [12:58] i'm giving that PC away though, so Win2K3 won't be my issue :P [12:58] (great, now I'm going to get smited for mixing up deities...) [12:58] how much of win2k3 can you even fit on a 6 gig drive? enough for a functional OS? [12:58] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [12:59] Urchlay, when you're me, it comes out functional [12:59] I put 2K3 on a PC with a 4GB hard disk and 128MB SDRAM before [12:59] (is an honest question, I haven't used windows regularly since before win2k came out, and haven't used 2k3 at all) [12:59] Urchlay, it's XP but without all the crap [13:00] so it's about what XP uses, which is a bit more than what 2K uses [13:00] but unlike XP, 2K3 doesn't have crap like System Restore [13:00] which is still not a decent answer :P [13:00] I'd estimate around 1-2GB [13:00] i'll give you an answer Urchlay, 1 sec [13:00] ah, in that case I dunno what to think of it (to me "all the crap" is what *defines* XP, I dunno what actual useful stuff it offers over & above what 2k does) [13:00] Urchlay, nothing is the answer to that [13:01] XP was meant to be 2000 Home Edition at one point [13:01] 6GB for an 2k3 server install [13:01] heh [13:01] do you know where the name XP actually comes from? [13:01] Necos, totally untrue... 6GB for 2K3 R2 Server Install with everything :P [13:01] R2 has two CDs [13:01] Server 2003 on it's own has 1 CD [13:01] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:01] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:02] yeah, R2 64-bit is what i'm running on my server [13:02] eww [13:02] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [13:02] what is this windows server talk [13:02] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@90.200.128.174) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:02] and 64-bit takes more space because it has WOW [13:02] yeah [13:02] Windows-On-Windows... yes... MS made a shitpile out of 64-bit [13:02] :P [13:02] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [13:03] by using hacks to make 32-bit apps still work [13:03] brb, gotta run downstairs to help a counselor >.<; [13:03] many moons ago, MS announced a beta windows version called "Cairo" (which eventually morphed into win95 or maybe win2k)... Greek letters "chi" and "rho" (pronounced "cai" and "ro") look just like the Latin letters XP [13:04] user49623 (n=lskgsjkl@ppp-69-223-37-215.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [13:04] eddief (n=eddie@pool-68-161-194-37.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:04] and in early christianity, the "chi rho" was a symbol of the religion (written as a P with an X at the bottom) [13:04] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_rho [13:04] so, which MS guy is it who think he's jesus? is that Gates? [13:04] Urchlay, shouldn't you be at a concert [13:05] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [13:05] interesting take on that Urchlay [13:05] Urchlay, Steve Ballmer [13:05] NthDegree: you're probably right [13:05] Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers....... [13:05] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [13:05] =] [13:05] jeev: what, at 1 in the afternoon? [13:05] for the old folks [13:06] 14 hours now [13:06] Urchlay: How long before that does the city of Cairo date? [13:06] eviljames: dunno. A thousand years maybe. [13:06] egyptian culture stretches back into prehistory [13:06] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:06] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151138048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:06] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-6bb8a9e13c2cf8b4) left irc: [13:06] brb, time for the dreaded install :( [13:06] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-132-69.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:07] digit (n=digit@74.46.65.174) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:07] I betcha the original name Cairo was named for the city, later on the XP = Chi Rho = Cairo thing was someone else's idea of a joke [13:08] fau__ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:09] Urchlay, ever been beat up by a foreigner? [13:10] EvilMatt (n=matthew@cpe-75-84-182-112.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:10] hello [13:10] hello [13:10] i have slack 12.2 on my dell latitude laptop and i'd like to turn off the mouse touchpad but dont know how... any ideas? [13:10] i have a usb mouse installed [13:11] also, slackware is the best OS [13:11] Urchlay: chi is pronounced as h in greek. for example like in Hiroshima. not chi as in chinese [13:12] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-669fb2c6cc5c104f) joined ##slackware. [13:12] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) got netsplit. [13:12] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-123-112.multimo.pl) got netsplit. [13:12] steiger (n=steiger@200.128.60.12) got netsplit. [13:12] Wilblake (n=Wilblake@unaffiliated/wilblake) got netsplit. [13:12] archimandrita (n=pacus@216.Red-81-33-250.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) got netsplit. [13:12] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.79.106) got netsplit. [13:12] pprkut (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) got netsplit. 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[13:13] christ in greek is hristos like hiroshima [13:13] Dinde (i=kayser@sur-internet.net) returned to ##slackware. [13:13] thats how the x is pronounced [13:14] steiger (n=steiger@200.128.60.12) returned to ##slackware. [13:14] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.164.54) returned to ##slackware. [13:14] user49623 (n=lskgsjkl@ppp-69-223-37-215.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:14] samac (n=samac@host86-164-143-73.range86-164.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:14] joannis (n=joannis@viw0knzkhp.adsl.datanet.hu) left irc: "leaving" [13:14] tacocat (n=stig@cpc1-tref2-0-0-cust780.cdif.cable.ntl.com) returned to ##slackware. [13:14] pprkut (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) returned to ##slackware. [13:15] Wiren (n=aad@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: [13:15] sahko: bummer. I still gotta wonder whether the name XP came from the old chi rho symbol though (unlike ME, I don't think MS ever said what XP stands for) [13:15] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [13:15] I met a greek girl named Kai [13:15] eddief (n=eddie@pool-68-161-194-37.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:15] Urchlay, xp = experience? [13:16] jeev: what kinda question is that? [13:16] i think i read somewhere it stands for eXPerience? [13:16] TwinReverb: that's AD&D, "experience points" :) [13:16] eddief (n=eddie@pool-68-161-194-37.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:16] sahko, you are correct [13:16] I remember the in-store display for windows ME, back when it came out [13:16] was covered in phrases like "Educate ME", "Entertain ME"... 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[13:18] y0 gar0t0 [13:19] TwinReverb, no not MS, but the developers that are stuck working in those tight cubes [13:19] heh. Unicode has everything. Including the chi rho symbol: ' [13:19] anyone? :( [13:19] CmdLnKid, that would probably be things like "help ME" and "liberate ME" and "set ME free" etc [13:20] ÖÕàÔ [13:20] EvilMatt: remove xf86-input-synaptics maybe [13:20] ok [13:20] danke [13:20] echelon: I can see those characters, but I have no idea what they are... [13:20] EvilMatt (n=matthew@cpe-75-84-182-112.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: "[BX] It's a huge shit sandwich and we're all gonna have to take a bite." [13:20] lol [13:20] eh, I dunno that removing xf86-input-synaptic is going to help [13:20] ferdl (n=phiezer@p54982091.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [13:20] it wont' [13:21] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@201.28.32.138) left irc: "RAH" [13:21] Urchlay: he left anyway. :P [13:21] I mean, my laptop touchpad worked in slackware 9, which didn't have that package (the touchpad just appeared to be a PS/2 mouse) [13:21] yeah i was about to say it may not be the best way [13:21] Urchlay, is yours actually a synaptics? [13:22] ¥¡#¤¥¦ª¨©ë½­°¹¸·· [13:22] Synaptics makes something like 80% of the touchpads [13:22] you'd have to set a new input option in xorg, right? [13:22] So even when it isn't a synaptics, it's a synaptics. [13:22] Urchlay: but not with "input hotplugging" [13:22] eviljames, not in my experience. mine works best ("ALPS") as a PS/2 device [13:22] oh right he said he used 12.2 [13:22] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:23] TwinReverb: it is, or anyway it works with the synaptic driver (it says it's an ALPS, I dunno if that's a synaptics model, or a separate company) [13:23] eddief (n=eddie@pool-68-161-194-37.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:24] TwinReverb: I was considering getting into the laptop OEM/ODM business last year, there were no alternative choices that could find. [13:24] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [13:24] Urchlay, ah yours is an alps too 8-) toshiba laptop? [13:24] sahko: well, on slackware 9, the usb mouse would Just Work if I plugged it in while X was running, and unplugging it caused no ill effects [13:24] TwinReverb: no, sony vaio from about 2002 [13:24] hmm i'd say modify /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse to be proto=exps resetafter=1 [13:25] slysir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:25] sahko: the touchpad couldn't be hotplugged, but then I'd need a hacksaw to unplug it... [13:25] and remove /var/log/packages/xf86-input-synaptics-1.1.2-i486-1 [13:25] evo_ (n=evo@p5DDE70BF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:26] but are you even using the pad? [13:26] archimandrita (n=pacus@216.Red-81-33-250.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [13:26] TwinReverb: If your touchpad is an ALPS, then it's really a Cirque rebranded. [13:26] Or was, unless Cirque was bought by alps.. who knows. But that's the competition to Synaptics.. [13:27] So I guess it wouldn't make much sense for the synaptics driver to work flawlessly with it. [13:27] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [13:27] all i know is what worked for me [13:27] Wilblake (n=Wilblake@unaffiliated/wilblake) joined ##slackware. [13:27] heh, that wasn't under dispute :P [13:27] Action: mishehu wonders how much longer until slack 13.0 is official... [13:27] well i'm saying i am not an expert with touchpads, i just happened to own an ALPS and know what worked for me [13:28] mishehu: as long as it takes. no more, no less. [13:28] StevenR, 8-) [13:28] StevenR: always insightful. [13:28] although i might take longer than it takes [13:28] mishehu: write it down, it doesn't change with any slackware release ;) [13:29] mishehu: well, that's the way it is. It's shipped when it's ready, which is when it's ready. [13:29] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [13:29] I do use the pad, and I have to use the synaptics driver's options to turn off the default "tap to click" behaviour (because I keep accidentally hitting the damn thing with my palm, while typing, which is annoying as crap if it's treated as a mouse click) [13:29] mishehu, you want to know the truth? [13:29] StevenR: we can disable the -pedantic flag here. I was wondering if there's any estimated time frame. [13:29] Urchlay, proto=exps will fix that [13:29] You can't handle he truth! [13:30] dive: havent' I seen you in a movie before? [13:30] indeed [13:30] dive: Someone posted "you want the tooth? you can't handle the tooth!" on fbook - I responded with the entire rant except all the military references replaced with dentistry ones. It was awful. [13:30] eviljames, haha [13:30] mishehu, according to distrowatch.com about annually but what do they know? 8-) [13:31] eviljames, paste! [13:31] heh, sec I'll go looking for it. [13:31] mishehu: if you hang around in here long enough, you'll hear all kinds of guesses... but that's what they are, guesses. The people who might actually have some real information, aren't talking (either because there *is* no such information, or because it's kept quiet on purpose, you decide which) [13:31] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE6288.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:32] nah he knows the tooth now [13:32] mishehu: I suspect that, if you were telepathic, and could probe Pat V's mind, you still wouldn't get a projected release date. [13:32] Son, we live in a world that has teeth. And those teeth have to be guarded by toothbrushes with paste. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. MacDonald? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for cavities and you curse the Dental Association of Canada. You have that luxury of not knowing what I know: that cavities, ... Read Morewhile tragic, probably saved teeth. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, sa [13:32] Where did that cut off? :P [13:33] "incomprehensible to you, sa" [13:33] That ... Read More was from fbook copy pasta :D [13:33] Urchlay: well that's the important bit of info. those in the know arent' saying. so it won't help me decide to prepare a 12.2 install disc or wait a little longer. I get the drift that 13.0 isn't likely to be officially released within a week and a half if it's at rc1 right now [13:33] I'll just pastebin the bastard, big ol' wall of text. [13:33] just do what the rest of us do: use -current [13:33] eviljames, you want me on that wall (of text)! [13:34] mishehu: that's probly right, if I had to guess, I'd guess it won't come out within the next week and a half [13:34] mishehu, if you want it to come out sooner, do what the rest of us do and use -current and bring up the problems in here or, if they can't be fixed here, to patrick [13:35] alright, so I'll have to decide about using 13.0rc1 or 12.2 to make an install disk for the servers that i plan to reload on my upcoming trip. 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[13:41] uhh [13:41] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: "leaving" [13:41] no column a [13:41] A is 50 and C reflects the exact same data from column A [13:41] I know in MS Office its called "merge" [13:42] pprkut (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:42] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: No route to host [13:42] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-129-138.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:44] then make A "50" and C "=A5" or wherever the data is [13:44] hrm.. alright [13:44] then just make sure you ONLY change column A's info [13:45] caramel apple ranger bar 8-S [13:45] whiskey tango foxtrot? [13:46] MREs: they're what's for breakfast [13:47] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.79.106) got netsplit. [13:47] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) got netsplit. [13:47] br00tal (n=br00tal@host-177-156-2-96.midco.net) got netsplit. [13:47] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) got netsplit. 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[13:49] pprkut (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) joined ##slackware. [13:50] WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [13:51] woooooooohooooooooooooo [13:51] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: "trabalhar" [13:52] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [13:54] Nick change: TwinReverb -> [A]irman [13:54] john_dee (n=id@93-81-3-168.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:54] <[A]irman> hehehe "booya i'm at the top of the user list!" [13:54] Nick change: [A]irman -> TwinReverb [13:55] panzer_ (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [13:55] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:55] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:55] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:55] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [13:56] Bonsoir, hello [13:56] [13:57] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:58] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [13:59] how can one enable glx exactly in xorg.conf? is there a special section...it was fine 5mins ago..now it just seems to have dissappeared completely [13:59] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.39.135) joined ##slackware. [13:59] dont know what happened [13:59] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.73.240) joined ##slackware. [14:00] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.82.222) got netsplit. [14:00] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@174-23-134-24.slkc.qwest.net) got netsplit. [14:00] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) got netsplit. [14:00] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) got netsplit. [14:00] juancate (n=juancate@unaffiliated/juancate) got netsplit. [14:00] CygnusX1_ (n=CygnusX1@c-69-245-162-6.hsd1.in.comcast.net) got netsplit. [14:00] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) got netsplit. 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[14:05] The-Croupier: what exactly did you do in those 5 mins? :) [14:06] lontra, have you tried setting DisplaySize variable in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? [14:06] TwinReverb, i think i found something by setting ~/.Xresources [14:06] Action: lontra goes to check [14:06] lontra (i=1000@x-134-84-139-237.uofm.wireless.umn.edu) left irc: Client Quit [14:07] pprkut: slackpkg upgrade-all, and reboot [14:07] nothing else [14:07] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [14:07] firefox stoped loading the web as well :( something seems wrong..really wrong [14:08] The-Croupier: I guess you have updated xorg-server and/or mesa, correct? [14:08] beatzz (n=sheep@97-115-178-251.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:08] soo [14:10] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.73.240) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [14:10] pprkut: i think so [14:10] clear [14:10] New iso current slackware :} [14:10] pprkut: does that mean i have to rebuild the nvidia driver? [14:11] Action: TwinReverb slaps his forehead [14:11] fredoslack: new iso current?? [14:11] provided they are awaiting the release of KDE 4.3 :s [14:11] beatzz, yes, every week [14:11] or just edit xorg.conf to something? [14:12] it dates from yesterday, beatzz [14:12] nice [14:12] The-Croupier: nvidia-driver from SBo? [14:12] slysir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:12] so current's updated weekly [14:12] pprkut: yep [14:12] no. [14:12] hiya BP{k} [14:12] The-Croupier: ok, then it's easy. :) [14:12] beatzz: -current is updated whenever Pat decides to. [14:12] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.79.106) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:13] roger that BP{k} [14:13] pprkut: what do i do then? [14:13] john_dee (n=id@93-81-3-168.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:13] The-Croupier: execute "nvidia-switch --nvidia". I'm not sure if you have to restart X afterwards, but it might be a good idea [14:13] Here is the link, beatzz >> ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current-iso/ [14:13] pprkut: i see [14:13] fredoslack: thanks :) [14:13] johndee (n=id@93-81-3-168.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:14] 21 Jul 2009 :} [14:14] i get you have to enable nvidia in xorg otherwise...not work [14:14] Action: TwinReverb just rsyncs to the slackware-current tree, so he doesn't need the ISO (but if he should, can build it easily in a minute) [14:14] faster than downloading an ISO every time [14:14] TwinReverb: ;) [14:14] The-Croupier: yes, that's just a reminder [14:15] ok TwinReverb , I'll try this solution [14:15] as a driver i get nvidia alright, but as identifier vesa framebuffer..nothing wrong with that right? [14:15] i assumed you would since you brought it up 8-) [14:15] I prefer not to saturate the servers hu hu [14:15] TwinReverb: lol [14:15] peace all [14:15] :( [14:15] work time [14:15] The-Croupier: nope, that's fine [14:15] beatzz (n=sheep@97-115-178-251.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: "leaving" [14:15] someone's going to break my tab-completion :'( [14:16] hehe [14:16] pprkut: [14:16] thanks [14:16] ill restart x and ill see [14:16] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [14:17] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [14:18] ah! cold metal dog tags! [14:19] dngr- (n=dngr@n112118131237.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [14:19] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [14:20] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.39.135) left irc: "Leaving" [14:20] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.39.135) joined ##slackware. [14:21] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) got netsplit. [14:21] jkwood (n=jkwood@2001:470:1f0e:d2:0:0:0:2) got netsplit. 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[14:22] anyone have a blackberry [14:22] Action: eviljames <- [14:22] Many departures lool [14:22] giuppy (n=giuppy@host189-174-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) returned to ##slackware. [14:22] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@189.87.98.89) joined ##slackware. [14:22] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware. [14:22] The server would be drunk? :p [14:23] I wish I was drunk. [14:23] eviljames, what kind [14:23] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:23] Maybe I'll get drunk, go see Harry Potter and shout spoilers all night. [14:23] jeev: worst possible one: Pearl. What a hunk of crap. [14:23] eww [14:24] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:24] lontra (i=1000@x-134-84-139-237.uofm.wireless.umn.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:24] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.82.84.55) joined ##slackware. [14:26] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. 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[14:28] with the dotted [14:28] <|Slacker|> yep [14:28] ? [14:29] no idea :( [14:29] a better question is, why do you want to? [14:29] put "compact" in /etc/lilo.conf [14:29] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.82.84.55) left irc: Client Quit [14:29] <|Slacker|> oh yeah..that's it [14:29] <|Slacker|> thank you [14:29] this is Linux, you ain't going to be rebooting it all the time like That Other OS you may have used once or twice... [14:29] hahaha [14:29] TwinReverb, thinks I'm also serve :) [14:30] <|Slacker|> Urchlay, cuz I dunno why it takes ages in my netbook finish that stuff [14:30] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:30] <|Slacker|> should I only add "compact" or does it need to be an append of some sort [14:31] ohhh, you mean, "Loading Linux...." takes forever, you want to make it faster? in that case, yah, "compact" in lilo.conf (don't forget to re-run lilo after editing the conf file) [14:31] |Slacker|: by itself [14:31] that's not the same thing as skipping it though [14:31] <|Slacker|> ah ok [14:31] <|Slacker|> sorry for my uncleariness [14:31] <|Slacker|> :p [14:33] DeeeeP_ (n=ngomes@bl4-100-166.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:33] init[1] (i=buffer@77.246.19.109) joined ##slackware. [14:33] systrik (n=c7de@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [14:34] genericFlounder (n=genericF@99.130.197.12) joined ##slackware. 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[14:40] lol [14:41] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host138-70-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:41] Urchlay: heh, the patented nick generator: cleverest|postmasters [14:41] General Failure is n command of Major Asshole [14:42] dfzdfha (n=sdfadfg\@212.183.136.193) joined ##slackware. [14:42] nice [14:42] lol [14:42] But Private Parts gets to do all the hard work [14:42] when he screws up, Corporal Punishment has to correct him? [14:42] Indeed ;-) [14:42] archimandrita (n=archiman@216.Red-81-33-250.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:125) joined ##slackware. [14:44] Has anyone heard about sourceforge possibly charging for page hosting? [14:44] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:45] yuck, I hope that's an unfounded rumor [14:46] it'll murder a lot of open source projects in one swell foop [14:48] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:50] Urchlay, yeah me too. i have no evidence at all, just someone mentioned it once. I can't find anything on it though. [14:51] probably a troll or FUD-spreader [14:51] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.39.135) left irc: "Leaving" [14:52] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) joined ##slackware. [14:52] sf uses ads [14:52] thats their revenue [14:52] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:52] they know any charge would immediately destroy their purpose. [14:52] FUD [14:53] sf provides ways for developers to gain revenue through support services, etc [14:53] yeah, sf.net's mailing lists are hilarious, they auto-append ads to the emails... in some cases, ads for anti-spam products :) [14:54] they take a share i imagine [14:55] fortunately nobody at sf.net figured out a way to show an ad whenever a developer runs cvs update or commit [14:55] maybe a tcp wrapper could do the job :> [14:56] what's FUD? [14:56] "fear, uncertainty, and doubt" [14:57] FUD (pronounced like the English word food) is a brand name for hot dogs, sausages,bacon and cold cuts produced by the Mexican company Sigma [14:57] lol [14:57] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:57] Fear, uncertainty and doubt. People usually use FUD to dissuade others from a particular point of view or opinion. [14:58] dfzdfha (n=sdfadfg\@212.183.136.193) left irc: "Leaving" [14:58] like fire|bird always does [14:58] spreadin the FUD [14:58] a simple example: proprietary OS vendor pointing out that there's nobody to "hold responsible" (aka "sue") if an open source OS doesn't work as expected (never mind the fact that the proprietary OS EULAs pretty much say "you agree to never ever be able to sue us") [14:59] Hakudoshi: Will you please stop revealing my mission? :P [14:59] everybody spreads FUD [14:59] cause everybody has an opinion [15:00] fire|bird never spreads FUD about MS tho [15:00] god bless you lads [15:01] bah religion [15:01] no thanks next subject [15:02] jnylin (n=jnylin@c-5f72e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [15:03] so I have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to play the intro to the Jimi Hendrix song "Fire" correctly without the drummer counting it off at the beginning [15:03] (earthshatteringly off-topic, I know) [15:03] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430989.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:03] That isn't slackware related! [15:03] How dare you! [15:03] well, I'm using a Slackware system to play the song while I try to play along with it :) [15:04] Urchlay: just remember next time to direct comments like that to ##slackware-offtopic (is that a channel even?) :P [15:04] Ok we forgive you [15:04] no excuses ... ban Urchlay [15:04] :D [15:05] Hakudoshi: that easily? I say he has to shout to all of ##slackware his love for slackware. [15:05] or, write a letter of apology to all 277 users in here. [15:06] At least Urchlay states that he is running Slackware. I am not so sure of all the others [15:07] I am proudly running slackware. :) [15:08] I run Slackware because it's 99.999% fat free, wholesome and nutritious. [15:09] 10 PRINT "I will not mention off-topic subjects in ##slackware" [15:09] 20 GOTO 10 [15:09] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430989.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:09] i run slackware cause my mother told me so [15:09] DeeeeP_: do you always do what your mother tells you? (In this case, she made a good decision.) :) [15:11] lol ... she cant even pronounce slackware word =) [15:11] DeeeeP_: What would you say if she said to use Ubuntu for a week? Would you? :P [15:11] lontra (i=1000@x-134-84-139-237.uofm.wireless.umn.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [15:11] haha [15:12] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [15:13] i just take out gxine , and substitute it by other browser player [15:13] would take * [15:13] i am having problems installing the fglrx driver with slackware-current which has linux kernel 2.5.29.6. i am running the latest ati installer which is 8.6 [15:14] what happens with the installer , josteint ? [15:14] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-25-136.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:14] i remember i solved this by installing the linux kernel from slackware 12.2, but that does not seem to work now :S... or maybe it was 12.1. have not tried that yet. but is it not possible to install the ati fglrx 8.6 with 2.6.29.6 [15:15] blame ati , and their support for latest kernels [15:15] slava_dp (n=family@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) joined ##slackware. [15:15] my nvidia is working , and its from legacy class [15:15] josteint: do you get an readable error message, or does everything just go to hell? [15:15] DeeeeP_: http://pastebin.com/d1b39327e [15:17] ok, that looks bad [15:18] macavity: i exit X, su root and run the installer. everything runs fine until right before the end. it says "there was an error... check log" [15:18] guess what http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_190.16.html [15:18] :o [15:18] josteint: i am reading it [15:19] josteint: it says "please consult readme" [15:19] josteint: does the readme have anything terribly important to say on the matter? [15:19] and also http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_190.16.html [15:19] for 64 [15:19] hmmm [15:20] what's the command to check which keyboard layout you're using? [15:20] Necos: x or console? [15:20] X [15:20] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [15:20] well, actually, it's in a term, so console might be more useful [15:21] not if it's an X terminal, the layout comes from X in that case [15:21] ok, loadkeys/dumpkeys does not work with xterms [15:22] so, X tools are neaded [15:22] needed* [15:22] oh [15:22] what's the command in X? [15:23] xkbcomp -xkb :0.0 -o keymap <--- that will give you way more information than you need, in the file "keymap" [15:23] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:24] njathan (i=1000@203.115.79.44) joined ##slackware. [15:24] grep -i xkb /var/log/Xorg.0.log <--- probably more useful (mine says Option "xkb_layout" "us") [15:24] is there a CLI music player for linux that supports playing online radio? [15:24] mplayer [15:24] ovnicraft (i=1000@190.94.131.94) joined ##slackware. [15:24] ah, trumphed by Urchlay :P [15:25] Necos, but mplayer does not have an ncurses frontend.. does it? [15:25] njathan: mplayer can play streams (like shoutcast ones), you just need the URL (which is sometimes hidden on the web page, inside a flash-based player) [15:26] Urchlay, does ncurses really have an ncurses front-end like, say, cmus has? [15:26] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [15:26] Necos, or u can setxkbmap us or whatever your kb is , and its set [15:26] no, mplayer doesn't have a curses frontend. It does let you skip around with the arrow keys, pause with the space bar [15:26] loads of linux kernel version checking in the ati installer [15:27] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-c581fec1e91c7492) joined ##slackware. [15:27] njathan, im not sure if mp3blaster supports streams [15:28] njathan: mpg123 [15:28] Does shoutcast at least [15:28] mpg123 doesn't have a frontend either though (and doesn't even let you skip around with arrow keys, though you can "pause" with ctrl-Z) [15:29] njathan asked for a cli app, not a curses app [15:29] Well he did later :-) [15:29] yeah, but then his next question was about curses... so I answer the question he meant, instead of the one he asked :) [15:29] alienBOB, ... i meant ncurses one actually [15:29] no , looks like mp3blaster doesnt support streams ... still a cool curses player [15:30] dangerseeker_ (n=dangerse@p57A8D45A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:30] dangerseeker (n=dangerse@p57A8ED72.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:30] alternately, you could "mplayer -dumpaudio -dumpfile stream.mp3 http://whatever", then either press ctrl-C or wait a looong time for the stream to finish... then play stream.mp3 in your mp3 player of choice [15:31] (I mean, press ctrl-C after an hour or 2) [15:32] hmmm [15:32] i found cmus interesting... only that support for streaming audio doesn't seem to be there [15:33] eddie_grey (n=Usuario@200.138.220.246) joined ##slackware. [15:33] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-26-174.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:33] _dieter_ (n=dieter@92.117.199.83) joined ##slackware. [15:33] can cmus play standard input? 'wget -O - http://streamurl | cmus -' perhaps? (probably won't work all that well honestly...) [15:33] archimandrita (n=archiman@216.Red-81-33-250.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:34] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:34] dangerseeker_ (n=dangerse@p57A8D45A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:34] Action: thrice` would use mplayer [15:34] yeah [15:35] or if you run X, something like xmms or maybe xine [15:35] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:35] eddie_grey (n=Usuario@200.138.220.246) left irc: Client Quit [15:35] hmmm [15:35] xmms I think even has the same keyboard shortcuts winamp has, for those sites that tell you to press ctrl-L or whatever [15:36] jiraia_ (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:279) joined ##slackware. [15:36] heh, nick generator, executing|cowboy [15:37] for a storm at home :} [15:37] poor old cowboy, what'd he ever do to you? [15:37] haha [15:37] (I mean, maybe he shot the sheriff, but at least he didn't shoot the deputy) [15:37] inadequacy|damn [15:37] scouted|buns [15:38] vehicle|checksummed [15:39] well... switching back to 12.1 linux kernel, which is 2.6.24... it really sucks that ati have not updated their drivers to work with linux kernel 2.6.29. ati fglrx installer is 9.6 from june 2009. no luck with that [15:40] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtriX [15:40] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:125) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:41] i will send ati an email. i guess that is the only reasonable thing to do. i will add the log with the email [15:41] user49623 (n=lskgsjkl@ppp-69-223-37-215.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [15:42] if you don't need intense 3D stuff, the x.org drivers are actually pretty good [15:42] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.161.88) joined ##slackware. [15:43] try the 2.6.29.4 kernel, it was the last one released before june 2009 [15:43] or 2.6.29.3, it's from early May [15:43] honestly, I'd try the last one to which ubuntu released with [15:43] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:43] ugh, yes [15:43] ati seems to push released based on ubuntu versions [15:44] since, obviously, ubuntu = linux [15:44] ubuntu = "lamer gamer linux", which I guess is their target audience for 3d drivers [15:44] thrice`, as a business plan, it's not a bad one. [15:44] Urchlay, exactly. [15:44] ovnicraft (i=1000@190.94.131.94) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:44] I couldn't agree more, actually [15:45] (which is why I bought intel) [15:45] ovnicraft (i=1000@190.94.131.107) joined ##slackware. [15:45] but, ati gave all of their specs to the xorg guys, so you can't complain too much about them [15:45] I think it's hard to argue that Ubuntu is not the most popular Linux distro. [15:45] the x.org ati drivers are decent for 2D, and they do TV out... they do 3D, but with pretty bad performance (good enough for Quake I maybe) [15:45] Maybe not among hardcores, but among the general populace. [15:46] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [15:46] agreed, it's a pretty solid distro [15:46] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-129-138.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Saindo" [15:46] ubuntu's weird, it sorta sprung fully-formed out of Debian's forehead. One day I'd never even heard of it, the next I talk to like 5 people who run it [15:46] So, for ati to time its release cycle to be in sync with the target that will hit the highest proportion of the installed user base .. well, it doesn't exactly seem like bad business to me. [15:47] eviljames: well, you can of course go the other route; make it work everywhere, which will include ubuntu [15:47] thrice`, but that's hard [15:48] Fill in the blank if you can, "Spoken languages are to people as ______ languages are to computers" [15:48] the competition does it ;) [15:48] Well, they don't exclude other distros. You were discussing their release cycle iirc [15:49] bbiab [15:49] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [15:49] _dieter_ (n=dieter@92.117.199.83) left irc: "leaving" [15:49] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [15:50] CyberS0nic_ (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [15:52] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [15:52] pprkut: well that sucked [15:52] if it does work with 2.6.29.4 (from like May 15), it's not *that* far behind the mainline kernel. [15:53] what, the ati prop drivers? [15:53] no [15:53] I don't have ATI hardware. the nvidia beta driver [15:53] Wow, it looks like we were all wrong about ATI's release cycle. [15:53] It appears they release a new version or some updates ~ once / month. [15:53] the ati driver is released whenever the hell they feel like it [15:54] Nope. Their version number is Catalyst [YEAR].[MONTH] [15:54] it's not on the main page tho... [15:54] Seems to be pretty consistantly +/- 5 days of the 20th of each month. [15:55] hm, so the one for July will be here any day now? [15:55] the latest "official" release is here: https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-9-3-x86.x86_64.run [15:55] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:55] joannis (n=joannis@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) joined ##slackware. [15:55] Necos: That's 3 versions behind. [15:56] The latest is 9.6, released June 14th. [15:56] https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-9-6-x86.x86_64.run <- [15:56] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.208) joined ##slackware. [15:56] s/14th/15th/ [15:56] vantech (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [15:56] Urchlay: Should be within the next week. [15:57] queeessstiiionnnnn [15:57] answer [15:57] i don't see that one >.> [15:57] lol [15:57] I wonder how come nobody ever packages up the ATI driver for SBo, the way the nvivia one gets packaged [15:57] should I make a fat32 partition so I can easily transfer my mp3s over to my slackware box? [15:57] or go with samba? [15:57] Urchlay: because nobody gives a crippity crap about ATI :P [15:57] Urchlay: it was with 12.1, but got killed, I think [15:58] oh, ok... [15:58] I have a big spider on the ceiling [15:58] :( [15:58] guess samba =X [15:58] tbagg: Is it the same machine? [15:58] tbagg, samba, or even ftp [15:58] nah different [15:58] she looks at me lool [15:58] hello eviljames :p [15:58] samba is pretty easy, but a jump drive formatted fat32 works just as good. [15:58] fredoslack: salut. ca va? [15:58] hmmmm [15:59] bernie_ (n=bernie@pool-98-117-255-31.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] eviljames, ça irait mieux sans toutes ces araignées qui me cernent lool [15:59] yea it worked well last time I just don't like having an "open" system. im a tweaker so I get paranoid easy =P [15:59] ej, apparently, my X1950 isn't supported by the 9.6 drivers [15:59] a tweaker? like, you do a lot of crystal meth? [15:59] not meffs [15:59] I need to do some sprucing up [15:59] lol [15:59] its all about the dextroamphetamines [15:59] Necos: Support for that card was dropped :/ [15:59] yeah, i know :( but it's still a pimp card [16:00] burned-out speed freaks are creepy [16:00] fredoslack: hahah, spiders suck. The small ones are the dangerous ones, though. [16:00] yea we are =D [16:00] worse than ex-heroin junkies [16:00] no way ! [16:00] yo [16:00] noooo way [16:00] actually [16:00] maybe [16:00] i don't wanna hear about your drug problem... go to #addicts >.> [16:00] I don't know im pretty spun right now [16:00] lool eviljames [16:00] I think I'll get back to partitioning.... [16:01] That was a lot of lines to say nothing.. [16:01] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:02] yeah really... [16:02] what version did it get dropped in ej? i didn't see that? 9.3 looks like it was the last supported, but i'm not sure [16:02] As of version 9.4 All R500 and older chipsets were dropped. [16:03] as in: yours. [16:03] Mine, too (R300 over here) [16:03] ;-; [16:03] RJz0r (n=taterz@67.208.216.126) left irc: "leaving" [16:03] br00tal (n=jesse@host-177-156-2-96.midco.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] that's weak [16:03] hopefully it was for driver stability and not laziness [16:04] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:04] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-c581fec1e91c7492) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:04] it was for making people buy new cards, of course [16:04] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [16:04] :( [16:04] of course it was [16:05] I have a card that used to work with the ATI prop drivers just fine, but it got dropped... the old drivers come nowhere close to compiling on new kernels [16:05] lol obviously [16:05] I'd have to go back to using something like 2.6.8 to get that version of the driver to work again [16:05] that's why i switched to radeonhd when i went to 12.1 [16:05] Necos, doesnt xorg have one working driver ? [16:05] njathan (i=1000@203.115.79.44) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:05] nothing like planned obsolesence to increase profit$ [16:05] yeah, but the 3d sucks [16:05] I'm pretty sure Urchlay is right on that one. Obsolesence. [16:05] yeah [16:06] well, xorg's ati driver finally started supporting TV out, so I don't need the prop driver any more (it's a media PC, needs TV out and reasonably fast 2D, but nothing I do with it requires 3D at all) [16:06] s/ati/radeon/ [16:06] Urchlay: 'cept i wanna play Q4 in linux :( [16:06] you probably wouldn't want to play Q4 on that card anyway [16:06] Necos: Well, there's an easy solution: Buy NVidia. [16:07] Action: eviljames <- doesn't care that NV's drivers are closed-source. Their software for their hardware - as long as they work :P [16:07] it runs like a slideshow on my nvidia geforce 5500fx [16:07] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: [16:07] yeah , nvidia is pretty cool ... my legacy is yet supported , drivers are kept updated [16:07] i have a problem with that >.> [16:07] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:07] (which is probably near the same vintage as your no-longer-supported radeon?) [16:07] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:07] my server at home uses an mx440 tho [16:08] mx400 rather... [16:08] Action: eviljames shudders at the thought of Matrox [16:08] matrox used to be the shit [16:08] The light from the lighthouse of Alexandria [16:08] G200 + Voodoo2 [16:08] ovnicraft (i=1000@190.94.131.107) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:08] Sank the butterflies of my youth [16:08] :p [16:09] yeah, whichever matrox card was current when the 3dfx voodoo cards were still being made, was very competitive [16:09] I still remember the stupid voodoo 2 pass-thru mess [16:10] Stupid it may be, but it was the first GL graphics I saw in my games [16:10] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:11] anyone aware of this sshd worm ? http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jul/0279.html [16:11] i wish another graphics card would hit the market to give the ati/nvidia duopoly some competition [16:11] alienBOB: and it womped ass on anything else that was out... it was THE standard [16:11] DeeeeP_: We've been laughing at it for a couple of days now.. [16:12] DeeeeP_: yeah, it's been around for a while now [16:12] DeeeeP_: 24 hours to go! :P I'm predicting vapour. [16:12] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-81-107-69-192.bmly.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:12] why laughing ? u dont think its real ? [16:12] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-81-107-69-192.bmly.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:12] don't you think we would have heard of boxes getting root'd if it was? [16:12] DeeeeP_: Nope. Until I see proof, this is just anonymous boasting on a mailing list. [16:12] and really, who logs in as root over ssh anyway? [16:13] yeah , good point [16:13] It's a pathetic post [16:13] walmartshopper (n=walmarts@cpe-67-49-213-45.bak.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:13] s/boasting/trolling/ [16:13] alienBOB: yeah, mine too... and the voodoo3 was actually a damn nice card for its time [16:13] i disabled that shit a long time ago [16:13] anyone else tried the new 190.16 nvidia driver yet? [16:13] It looks like it was written by a 13 year old. I strongly doubt that someone with advanced education in cryptography or programming would post something of this calibre. [16:13] I used to get paid to set up X to run GL quake with voodoo3 cards :) [16:14] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:14] lol Urchlay [16:14] "Soon, the very foundations of Information Technology and Information [16:14] Security will be unearthed as millions upon million of systems running ANY [16:14] version of OpenSSH are compromised by wave after wave of script-kiddie and [16:14] lol [16:14] exactly man [16:15] ....is it me, or does that sound like a stereotypical Mad Scientist cackling like a loon while he explains his Evil Plan to the Hero he's captured? [16:15] I stand by my 13 year old statement, but I'd like to add a persecution complex. [16:15] DeeeeP_, yea, the person who posted it did admit that its all BS, but if you still don't beleive them, well maybe it would help if you knew that 'It will be posted to the Full-Disclosure security list. " is not something the anti-sec group would do, in fact that is exactly what they are against [16:16] kde compositing crashes on me with nv 190.16 as soon as I log in [16:16] walmartshopper: Same on intel 2.7.99.902 [16:16] edman007: again, we'd here about machines being owned already if it were [16:16] had no problems with 185.18.14 [16:16] and linky to that post edman007 :P [16:17] hm. Is compositing used by anything other than window managers? [16:17] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:18] i'll see if google earth still works [16:18] Necos, or u couldnt know also about hacked boxes [16:18] I mean, common apps like web browsers or games don't ever use it for anything, do they? [16:18] Necos: http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jul/0219.html [16:18] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:18] Necos: http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jul/0237.html [16:18] ah! [16:19] 3d / google earth still work fine [16:19] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430989.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:19] Necos: In another post, they claim to currently be masting SQL Injcetion attacks! (phear!) [16:19] s/masting/mastering/ [16:19] hahaha [16:19] bernie_ (n=bernie@pool-98-117-255-31.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:20] you can finally enable / disable powermizer with this driver [16:20] brb, gotta run downstairs >.<; [16:20] from nvidia-settings i mean [16:20] s0d0 (n=john@host86-175-193-99.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:21] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430989.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:21] the -current updates include a lot of X stuff, are there any warnings that i need to read about and if so where are they [16:22] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [16:22] genericFlounder (n=genericF@99.130.197.12) left irc: "Leaving" [16:22] eviljames, that anonymous post is from day 17 ... the other post is from day 20 [16:23] johndee (n=id@93-81-3-168.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:24] giuppy (n=giuppy@host189-174-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:24] VampirePenguin: Here's a warning: this is an extreme period of flux for the xorg stack. Your setup may stop functioning with latest updates :D [16:24] Action: Urchlay is holding at xorg-server 1.6.1 for now [16:25] eviljames, that is kinda what i thought... right now i know how to fix compositing issues... if i update imght not [16:25] DeeeeP_: Look at the month's archive. Isn't it pretty clear that this is /b/ trolling? [16:25] so far though, all I hear about are compositing issues with 1.6.2... these won't affect me, I have compositing disabled anyway, but are there any other nasties to watch out for? [16:26] Compositing worked fine for me (intel) until 1.6.2 - There are big changes afoot. [16:27] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.157.105) joined ##slackware. [16:27] well the only problem i have with compositing now is when /tmp fills up... it took 12 days before i got a warning.. so i backed out of the session, into init 3 and deleted the contents of /tmp , then logged back in and alls good [16:27] monstro (i=1000@201-26-13-12.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:27] Hi #slackware [16:27] How to use chm2pdf no exist manual ? [16:27] is compositing ever used for anything besides the kind of desktop effect I'd disable anyway? (wobbling/spinning/transparent windows, silly desktop cube, etc)? [16:27] Compositing still works for me on two stock slackware-current computers I run - one 32bit with Intel graphics, the other 64bit with the binary nvidia driver [16:28] monstro: http://code.google.com/p/chm2pdf/wiki/HowToUse [16:28] ya im on 1.6.1 with Mesa 7.4.1 [16:28] But I am sure you could have googled that yourself [16:28] Matt_____ (n=matt@cpc1-warr1-0-0-cust642.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [16:29] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC02166.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:29] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [16:29] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-180-166.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [16:29] i have 0 probs on 2 different boxes once i got my xorg straight [16:29] can i downgrade to x server 1.6.1 and keep mesa 7.4.4? [16:29] nooblet (n=Limited@pool-71-242-221-56.phlapa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] the harddrive is booting up much faster with new cyclinder settings [16:30] walmartshopper: why would you want that? [16:30] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.161.88) left irc: "leaving" [16:30] oh and i can get it to click if i twist it when its reading and writing [16:31] quick Q: 12 gigs is fine for /opt right ? more than enough probably [16:31] does that mean its bad? when you twist it ; it clicks... or are they suppose to do that? [16:31] tbagg: /opt ?? [16:31] pretty much im at the point if it aint broke im not going to try to fix it [16:31] alienBOB: for the future: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=chm2pdf+howto [16:31] http://content.hccfl.edu/pollock/AUnix1/Partitioning.htm [16:31] eviljames: I am not as evil as you ;-) [16:31] im reading, guy [16:32] I know that tbagg - but why a separate /opt in Slackware ? [16:32] how much are you going to put in /opt, my kitchen sink install is 5.4gb for / [16:32] Not much goes to /opt [16:32] doesn't it hold the configurations for apps and services? [16:32] i have x server 1.6.2 and mesa 7.4.4 right now and having x server/compositing crashes... some have said that x server 1.6.2 broke compositing for them, so I wanted to try downgrading to 1.6.1. I was just wondering if it matters what version of Mesa I use with x server 1.6.1 [16:32] The kde3 compatibility stuff in -current, and openoffice, that's about it [16:33] hah [16:33] tbagg: this is _slackware_ [16:33] fuck /opt [16:33] lol [16:33] / swap /home and maybe /boot [16:33] this pick four thing is messing with my head. >=O [16:34] lets tbag tbagg [16:34] dewww etttt [16:34] my whole / is 10gb [16:34] walmartshopper: have you used the latest pixman update? that's supposed to fix compositing issues [16:34] 15gb max i ever use [16:34] k [16:34] Let's bag nooblet who likes to twist a harddrive to hear it slowly die [16:34] lol you would prolly like the taste of ~mi huevos~ [16:34] Is it possible to make a shell script which will display time in any active window? [16:34] nah man [16:34] VampirePenguin: on one PC i have that the whole family uses i have an extra partition i use for both /tmp & /var i moved them in to that and symlinked back to the original location [16:34] im tryin to optimize it [16:34] but yea [16:35] RJz0r (n=taterz@lawlz.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] RipVanWinkle, that makes sense with mutiple users [16:35] yes, I'm using pixman 0.15.10-i486-2 and still having compositing crashes... only with nvidia 190.16 though, 185.18.14 worked ok [16:35] yeah, keeps them from filling up / with crufty kludge [16:36] tmp and var? I like that idea [16:36] thanks man [16:36] walmartshopper: that's why they call it a /beta/ driver [16:36] RipVanWinkle, in some ways i wish i had a sep /tmp bc of these progrmas not clening up or filling up before they are scheduled to clean [16:36] hey its working better [16:36] i was just moving it to make sure it was plugged in [16:37] 190.16 won't even work for me [16:37] hardlocked my system [16:37] it even booted me here [16:37] i realize it's beta... just wondered if anyone got it to work [16:37] it save me from having to baby-sit that PC for junk files that need deleting regularly [16:37] How do I output a message to an active window? I mean from shell. [16:37] every time I burn a CD, I ask this, nobody ever answers... here goes: Capacity Blklen/Sparesz. Format-type Type 16763814 2048 0x00 No Media Present or Unknown Capacity [16:37] nods [16:37] what is that trying to tell me? [16:37] > :0 [16:38] Urchlay: Probably that it is time to replace the drive. [16:38] is it just one CD blank or all of them Urchlay ? [16:38] Urchlay: That or you are putting DVDs into a drive that doesn't support them? [16:38] it's all the ones in the spindle of 100 I'm using [16:39] no, they're not DVDs (although yes, the drive burns DVD+R and -R) [16:39] well in my rc.local i have a rm -fr /tmp/* line [16:39] its telling you that hardware is the problem [16:39] Urchlay: Is there anything different or interesting about this spindle vs. other blanks (ones that do work) [16:39] but other brands work good? (possibly a bad bach of blanks) happens on occasions [16:39] oh, these *work*, they just report that weird message [16:40] (well, maybe 1 in 5 of them fail, but that's about typical for every drive I've ever owned, since the beginning of time) [16:41] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:41] is it just trying to tell me "I looked at the media and I don't recognize it, it's not listed in my database of media types"? [16:41] cityLights1 (n=cityLigh@bzq-84-108-42-233.cablep.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [16:41] i have bought a stack of bad blanks before, but it does not happen often, try to stick to a good name brand like Memorex [16:41] hi all [16:41] any idea way I can't play using: mplayer -ao i8x0 file [16:41] Urchlay: yes [16:41] heh. There *are* memorex :) [16:41] er, these are [16:41] yowza! [16:41] my .asoundrc is: http://pastebin.com/m66449e46 [16:42] they are branded memorex but that really don't mean anything. the disk batches come from all different media manufacturers [16:42] i just bought a stack of memorex, i only burned one cd so far (NetBSD) it booted and installed and the OS boots [16:42] I'm a bit annoyed with them though: the top 20 or so CDs on the spindle were gold, but the rest are black (meaning I can't label them with a Sharpie, and meaning I couldn't tell ahead of time that they were black...) [16:42] gotta use atip info [16:43] archimandrita (n=archiman@216.Red-81-33-250.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [16:43] Urchlay: try a hotknife [16:43] lol [16:43] RJz0r (n=taterz@lawlz.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:43] now, if I forget to use -speed 8, the failure rate is 100% (cdrecord decides to try to burn at 40X, which the drive and the disks both claim to support, but it literally never works) [16:44] nooblet (n=Limited@pool-71-242-221-56.phlapa.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving." [16:44] Urchlay: I'd still say bad batch awt that point. [16:44] s/awt/at/ -- If you've gone through 20 or 30 it's probably much too late to take them back. Write it off as "lesson learned" and file under G. [16:44] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:45] eviljames: really? I've never *ever* seen a disc successfully burned at any speed over 16X, on *any* combination of hardware, software, and media [16:45] (not just my own stuff, I mean) [16:45] Urchlay: Well, someday you'll be in Vancouver and I'll show you :P [16:45] Urchlay: That is, if I ever buy any more blank CDs (I'm of the mind that optical media is dead) [16:45] i always burn a 2-8 usually the slowest i can .. ive made a few frisbees [16:46] I always burn as fast as possible, rarely have a problem. [16:46] Most discs are complete within 3-5 minutes. [16:46] RJz0r (n=taterz@lawlz.net) joined ##slackware. [16:46] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151138048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:46] ya thats about right [16:46] usually im doing something else anyway and k3b goes off [16:48] the deal with this spindle of Memorex: I burn at 8x, and they come out great (even the audio CDs I leave in the car, in Georgia heat in July with the windows rolled up, have not failed) [16:49] but 1 out of 5 times, I get some flavor of write error + a coaster [16:49] last spindle I had were branded HP (no idea who made them), failure rate was about the same [16:49] These days an MP3 player and FM transmitter is cheaper than a spindle of CDs. [16:50] I found FM transmitters in the dollar store. [16:50] not if you're me: I already own the spindle of CDs and the hard drive full of music [16:50] plus, some of this stuff, I need to be able to hand to other musicians and say "learn to play these songs"... nothing better than CDs for that [16:51] I say that's your fault for buying a spindle instead of an MP3 player. And yes, there is something better: a jump drive :P [16:51] (I don't have the budget to go handing out free thumb drives) [16:51] "Pass me your jump drive, I'll plug it into my laptop and put the setlist on there for you." [16:51] Nick change: snL20 -> towelie [16:51] cityLights1 (n=cityLigh@bzq-84-108-42-233.cablep.bezeqint.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:51] hmmm [16:51] Nick change: towelie -> snL20 [16:52] I'm telling you - optical media is dead! [16:52] apparently, apple has a battery recall from the macbooks and macbook pros [16:52] flash media isn't all that safe either ej >.> [16:52] yeah, that works, if everyone I deal with owns a laptop and uses a jumpdrive *and* brings them to gigs and open mic nights (hint: if you have to bring a 100lb guitar amp + a guitar, you ain't going to bother with a laptop) [16:52] eviljames, im not into that /b/ trolling / whatever culture , so i dont really know about it [16:52] DeeeeP_: I don't bother with 4chan either, but they spawn a lot of popular memes. [16:53] Urchlay: touche [16:53] and some of these people, believe it or not, are non-computer-owners (or else they have old cast-off crap with USB 1.1 only, or they're still running windows 95 or something) [16:53] Necos: No media is safe - fortunately there is very little (read: None) cost to duplicating data. [16:54] eviljames, i was just saying that your 2º post wouldnt serve as answer , cause the 2º post is earlier than the 1º one [16:54] >.> [16:54] DeeeeP_: hey, what character is the º supposed to be? [16:54] hmm , dont u see ? [16:54] 20th and 10th? [16:55] yeah , like a little circule [16:55] I see what looks like a superscript letter o with an underline [16:55] like a "degrees" and a hyphen in the same character cell. Is that right? [16:55] hmm sorry .. here in my country we say nº 1 instead of number 1 ... kind of abreviation [16:55] Urchlay: it's a plain old degree symbol [16:56] nothing to be sorry for, I just want to make sure I have my unicode/utf8 stuff working correctly [16:56] so 2º is second [16:56] oh.. [16:56] 2nd and 1st [16:56] yeah [16:56] my bad >.> [16:56] antiwire: nahh... I see º for that, a degrees symbol is ° [16:56] DeeeeP_: It's not an answer, but a clarifying moment for me. [16:56] thought it was kinda universal [16:56] one's got a line under it [16:57] yeah , got and underline [16:57] nah, all that mertic type stuff >.> [16:57] DeeeeP_: Looking through the archive for the whole month, to me, indicates that it is simply trolls from 4chan or some equally idiotic place attempting to bother a mailing list. [16:57] DeeeeP_: OK, so what I'm seeing is what I'm supposed to be seeing, thanks :) [16:57] no prob :) [16:57] Urchlay: http://i29.tinypic.com/2nkv4hu.jpg [16:57] eviljames, ok then [16:58] Urchlay: I thought you meant that you couldn't see it [16:58] DeeeeP_: Though, if there is a flaw in openssh 5.2 and under that is a pretty big deal. I guess I'm just too much of a cowboy to err on the side of caution ;) [16:59] ok [16:59] we will see soon [16:59] Yea, it might be big news tomorrow :P [17:00] lol [17:00] what flaw? [17:00] antiwire: your font hasn't got the correct glyph for that character, then. Have a look: http://imagebin.org/56694 [17:00] antiwire: alleged 0-day in OpenSSH 5.2 and below. [17:00] uva (i=bno@118-160-168-45.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:00] eviljames: that was bullshit [17:00] s0d0 (n=john@host86-175-193-99.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:00] Urchlay, i randomly searched for that simbol , and its used not only in my country after all . random search , wikipedia shows it , under section awards and honors ; 1º , 2º etc > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Guzm%C3%A1n_Capel [17:00] antiwire: That's what I was saying, but there's no way to be 100% - we may have some big news tomorrow morning [17:01] I had 4 unauthorised SSH connections today [17:01] XD [17:01] funny thing is no-one could use my SSHd even if they took it over [17:02] also guys...anyone running an affected version of dd-wrt on their router should probably upgrade to the latest PRESP2 images http://milw0rm.com/exploits/9209 [17:02] 1) It doesn't have root privs; 2) It is protected by TOMOYO Domain Policy; :P [17:02] NthDegree: PKC ? [17:02] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [17:02] eviljames, all network-facing daemons are protected by domain policy =] [17:03] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-3-236-186.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:03] Also it can only execute one file: /usr/bin/nullshell - which is a getchar() loop that quits on EOF [17:03] end-result: Proxy-only SSHd (with SFTP if I want it in the future) [17:04] Might want to toss that to port 2222 or something along those lines, it should mitigate the ssh attempts [17:04] yeah, i'm considering making it port 443 [17:05] but i've taken away TCP accept() rights from it for any IPs that don't match the ones I want to allow now hehe [17:05] NthDegree, what is the point of ssh without privs? [17:05] So an attacker can see it, but the connection will fail [17:06] edman007, for allowing a SOCKS proxy tunnel for friends who want anonymity when using certain services [17:06] ahh... [17:06] it also allows friends to connect to services which share files internally if they want me to send them something [17:06] in slackpkg you can only choose what packages are avaiable? [17:06] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:06] still need to be careful with that though, a lot of things give special privs to 127.0.0.1 [17:07] budo: in slackware repository [17:07] install/remove packages wont be clean unless u only install the packages from the repository ? [17:07] edman007, I still need to allow TCP connect() for the 127.0.0.1 ports I want to allow access to :P [17:07] hey edman007 [17:07] edman007, that's what makes whitelisting so great ^^ [17:07] echelon, i'm being followed! [17:07] sorry, having a hard time finding the iwlwifi section in the 2.6.29.6 menuconfig - can anyone shed a light on where it's enabled? [17:08] :\ [17:08] gez512 (n=b@host-87-242-37-28.prtelecom.hu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:08] NthDegree, :D [17:09] Vi^3PirePengy (n=java@h96-61-183-181.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] Vi^3PirePengy (n=java@h96-61-183-181.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:09] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:09] thumbs: device drivers> network device support > wireless lan [17:09] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] I can't for the life of me find the iwl3945 driver. [17:09] it hasn't moved though [17:09] antiwire: not there [17:09] yes it is [17:10] CONFIG_IWL3945 [17:10] There is one potential hole if it got pwned - it might become a DoS zombie. But then the denial messages would show in the logs [17:10] i use it [17:10] how do i browse the repository and read full descriptions ? [17:10] antiwire: I have it on my old 2.6.27 config file... ummm [17:10] thumbs, Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG/BG Network Connection [17:10] Vi^3PirePengy (n=java@h96-61-183-181.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: "leaving" [17:11] dive: I know, that's my card. I suspect another option I removed somewhere else is preventing that driver from appearing. [17:11] IWLCORE [17:11] you need that enable along with the mac80211 stuff [17:11] ah, thanks. [17:11] budo, stick to official packages, slackbuilds.org and make your own is my advice [17:11] that must be it. [17:11] Vi^3PirePengy (n=java@h96-61-183-181.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:12] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [17:13] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:15] john_dee (n=id@89.179.28.177) joined ##slackware. [17:15] thumbs, there is one other - Prompting for incomplete/experimental code/drivers [17:15] when that is not selected a lot of things get hidden [17:15] antiwire: you're a champ. Thanks. It was the mac80211 [17:16] budo, http://packages.slackware.it/browse.php [17:16] I have no idea how that option got unselected with my kernel migration [17:16] thumbs: np [17:17] sometimes that happens with make oldconfig [17:17] antiwire: I hear you. [17:18] antiwire++ [17:19] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:20] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [17:20] anyone using wicd 1.6.x? [17:22] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left ##slackware. [17:22] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-81-107-69-192.bmly.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:23] wicd 1.6.2 (bzr-r436) [17:24] i'm looking for the gui element to add wireless networks... but i just don't see it ;( [17:25] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:25] wicd-client [17:26] that's what i have open :P [17:27] Necos: and you're in group netdev [17:27] let me doublecheck that [17:28] well, lah-tee-dahh, looks like Robbie Workman wrote the man page for wicd [17:28] Action: eviljames <- 1.6.1 [17:28] eviljames will help you [17:28] i must go out for a sec [17:28] slacknode (n=slacknod@32.154.28.165) joined ##slackware. [17:29] It's a nice thing for Hakudoshi to commit me so. No guarantees on the accuracy of his statement :P [17:29] that's what i missed... [17:29] ej, i already know how much help i'm gonna get from ya lol [17:31] Looks like I solved your problem! [17:31] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [17:31] Nick change: George_Joung -> sbl [17:32] well, gonna reboot to see if the usermod -a -G took [17:32] Necos: But you're probably right, I'm more in the mindset of pointing people at appropriate documentation :P [17:32] this is on an ubuntu laptop one of my students brought in [17:32] slacknode (n=slacknod@32.154.28.165) left irc: Client Quit [17:33] Necos: btw, usermod may toast all the other groups the user was in. [17:33] and by may, I mean will. [17:33] hi everybody [17:33] So use gpasswd -a [user] [group] going forward :D [17:33] that's what the -a option is for... i read the manpage [17:33] don't use usernid [17:33] mod* [17:33] yeah, what eviljames just said [17:33] =] [17:33] :P [17:33] Necos: my usermod man page lists no such option of -a. searching for it yeilds no result. [17:34] Necro: there is no usermod -a [17:34] the manpage on the ubuntu laptop says "-a must be used with -G to append the group information" [17:34] Necos* [17:34] fk ubern00b :P [17:34] I need kwifimanager.tgz in slackware 12.2 current (21 july). Please help :) [17:35] Necos, maybe Ubuntu patched it? :P [17:35] http://www.slackware.com/getslack [17:35] possibly, but i made it a point to read the manpage before i did anything [17:35] Hakudoshi: kWiFiManager on slackware.com/getslack ? [17:35] you can find a mirrior that has it [17:36] sbl@slack:~$ firefox [17:36] No protocol specified [17:36] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [17:36] Channel flood from sbl -- kicking [17:36] Error: cannot open display: :0.0 [17:36] sbl kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [17:36] silly [17:37] sbl (n=sbl@unaffiliated/sibulmasta) joined ##slackware. [17:37] :/ [17:37] don't run firefix as root then [17:37] firefox* [17:37] i have problem,,, with firefox running [17:37] you can also use "kdesu kuser" to add yourself to groups [17:38] sbl, DISPLAY=:0.0 firefox [17:38] kdesu kuser: no protocol specified :/ [17:38] as a normal user [17:38] walmartshopper is trailer trash? [17:38] macavity (n=macavity@4308ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:38] to run x apps as root, you have to run "xhost +" first [17:39] sbl, and if you're trying to run GUI apps as root there's kdesu or gksu [17:39] OMG HI macavity [17:39] walmartshopper: i'm a normal user [17:39] sudo [17:39] err... hello Hakudoshi :P [17:39] Hakudoshi, sudo sucks.. it should be avoided [17:39] Necos: results? [17:39] "sudo bash" FTW ;-P [17:39] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:39] macavity, sudo -i :P [17:39] ej, what are the perms on your /etc/wicd/ files? [17:40] nah, wireless card is still not showing up [17:40] hmm, is ndiswrapper still supported under 1.6? [17:40] si [17:41] necos, are you at work [17:41] yeah [17:41] then go back to work [17:41] Action: jeev slaps Necos [17:41] bosky (n=~@rx0so-icesofttech.cg.bigpipeinc.com) joined ##slackware. [17:41] i am workin ya dingdong [17:41] tryin to fix this laptop :P [17:41] trying? [17:41] Call his boss [17:41] pfft, looks like you're failing [17:41] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [17:42] Necos: root:root [17:42] 0600? [17:42] yup [17:42] mmm irish coffee [17:42] k [17:42] jeev, are you his boss? [17:42] there used to be an option to specify which driver wicd uses... [17:42] Hakudoshi: hell fuckin no [17:42] lol [17:42] prefs [17:43] prefs - advance settings [17:43] or smthin [17:43] looking at the prefs, i only set the wpa_suplicant thingy [17:44] in the advanced settigns [17:44] yeah only thing i see too that has ndiswrapper [17:44] wpa supplicatnt, backend, debugging, and wireless interface (use dbm to measure signal strength) [17:44] i don't use that so i dunno [17:44] Necos: all you need to set is the wpa_supplicant driver - usually "wext" [17:44] wext is what i use yup [17:44] ndiswrapper requires "wext" [17:45] ah [17:45] so it's indirectly set now [17:45] Hakudoshi, no but i'm his pimp [17:45] wtf? [17:45] girls in koreatown love the 3 inch winky [17:45] And I'm jeev's pimp. [17:45] so i pimp him out [17:45] Action: eviljames slaps him down [17:45] Necos is your ho? [17:45] jeev is on that stuff... he's having dilusions of grandeur [17:45] *delusions [17:45] eviljames, the only thing you pimp is the one eyed mopp girl at the local big lots [17:45] best friends IRL? [17:45] Action: alienBOB will be jeev's nemesis if he does not watch it [17:45] no, not at all [17:45] Hakudoshi, pimp / best friends.. sure [17:46] alienBOB ;) [17:46] jeev: wtf is big lots? Is that a store that you fat butts shop at? [17:46] Action: jeev senses lack of sense of humour [17:46] jeev just lives within 30 minutes of me... the bastid [17:46] eviljames, it's some bargain store in the U.S., maybe only LA [17:46] Big Lots sells a lot of big junk [17:46] and big hoes, like where i found jeev's mom >.> [17:46] yea last time i went there i was 5 and i got a bunch of led pencils for cheap [17:47] ha ha Necos [17:47] jeev: Let me guess, you spent the next 30 minutes eating those lead pencils - thus explaining your brain damage. [17:47] eviljames, almost! i stabbed myself with them [17:47] digit (n=digit@74.46.65.174) joined ##slackware. [17:47] lol @ eviljames [17:47] was getting high off lead for about 4 years [17:47] then the evil guys on jet packs took me and did tests...... [17:48] josefig (n=josefig@201.164.82.16) joined ##slackware. [17:49] durp, i forgot the "Find a hidden network" option under network... [17:49] but now it's not asking me what encryption i want to use [17:50] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:50] why don't you just use the fantastic network manager called rc.inet1.conf? [17:50] because it's ubuntu [17:50] 'cause this isn't on a slack box :P [17:50] oh man [17:50] i'm fixing an ubuntu laptop [17:50] Necos: So, choose your network, select advanced... (iirc..) [17:51] Or preferences or whatever that button is. [17:52] then why use wicd over network manager ? [17:52] Because NetworkManager cradles donkey balls? [17:52] because network manager doesn't support hidden wep networks properly [17:52] Oh, that's why... [17:52] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:53] amongst the other part ej [17:53] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:53] network manager is probably the best there is [17:53] nope [17:53] I'm firmly of the mind that wicd > networkmanager [17:53] lol, ok. clearly you have it figured out ;) [17:53] My evidence is entirely anecdotal, but wfm. [17:54] hehehe [17:55] just that some stuff changed from 1.5.9 to 1.6.2, so i'm relearning the interface [17:56] Necos: run wicd-curses in the console... *that* is a new interface [17:58] bosky (n=~@rx0so-icesofttech.cg.bigpipeinc.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:59] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:59] apparently, pycurses isn't on this box [18:01] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [18:02] phroggy (n=phroggy@webwizardry.net) left irc: "perl -e"push @x,ord()-32 for split'','Z=!;g&7?<:*5gI5:>oO&:;- c';split'','phroggy'x4;print chr^shift @_ for @x,109"" [18:02] I wish I could kick his ass on the way out for that perl crap. [18:03] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [18:03] hello! [18:03] lol stop hatin :P [18:04] Stop hatin missyjane [18:04] D: what?! [18:04] who i be hatin'? [18:04] eviljames: did you ever run that piece of perl? [18:04] alienBOB: No, I find it too painful to look at. :P [18:04] it's a japh [18:04] It is actually quite funny [18:04] Action: eviljames prepares for a fork bomb [18:05] heh [18:05] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430989.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:05] or worse, a spork bomb [18:05] beatzz (n=sheep@97-115-178-251.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] doesn'doesn't do anything [18:06] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430989.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:06] Well, wile messing with my server's kernel configuration somehow now neither of the kernel boot options presented by lilo will start X11 [18:06] <- laptop [18:06] er [18:06] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:06] i have SLAX on a thumb drive [18:06] which is running on my pc (my email server) [18:07] evilbob [18:07] err [18:07] should i somehow try to compile another kernel? [18:07] alienBOB: That is some well obfuscated code. [18:07] alienBOB, how come you chose this name? i would think that, someone as famous and as good as you, would really choose a really mysterious and cool sounding name [18:07] like Godking Evil or something [18:07] because he's an alien lol [18:07] he'd a bob [18:07] 's [18:08] lol >< [18:08] missyjane: I used to have alien in my pre-internet life. But on IRC, everyone is called 'alien' [18:08] one finger typing is hard [18:08] So I had to think fast, looked at my command prompt "alien@bob$ " and I knew what to pick [18:08] try typing on 2 kbs at once >.> [18:08] if X11 dosent start up and the boot process stalls what should be done? [18:08] wait,.. what? there was life before the internet? [18:09] aside from /var/log/Xorg.0.* [18:09] alienBOB, but... dont you think its time for a new name? :D perhaps a new image Alien James Bond! :D [18:09] dive no... you were lied to [18:09] dive: I guess I am a lot older than you then :-) [18:09] dive: No, it's all propaganda. alienBOB is "The Man" and spreading disinformation. [18:09] I'm 46 [18:09] missyjane: I am not all that mysterious [18:09] lol >< [18:09] but I don't act it [18:09] so [18:09] I am older dive ;-) [18:10] lol [18:10] beatzz, check dmesg and /var/log/messages. [18:10] digit (n=digit@74.46.65.174) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:10] is anyone here 30+ and NOT married? srsly [18:10] beatzz, X11 has nothing to do with lilo [18:10] dive: should i just 'tail' um? [18:10] i'm 28... close enough missyjane [18:10] missyjane, <-- [18:10] missyjane: looking for a mate then? [18:10] missyjane, i'm 30+ and not married :D [18:10] lies [18:11] Don't pick a Slackware geek... it will ruin your evenings [18:11] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.208) left irc: [18:11] lol [18:11] speak for yourself man :P [18:11] yeah laptop chat over the dinner table [18:11] i'm 27 not married [18:11] wanna fight about it? [18:12] monstro (i=1000@201-26-13-12.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [18:12] i leave my computer alone when i'm not at work [18:12] I woke up having a slight panic attack and then I realized it was because my neighbor was singing again [18:13] lol [18:13] haha [18:13] lol [18:13] alienBOB: I'm pretty much a slackware geek. My gf loves our evenings! [18:13] alienBOB, maybe.. you dont know anything! look into this stick *flashes alienBOB* [18:13] She also prefers Slackware to other OS! woot! [18:13] eviljames: hehe. [18:13] Action: alienBOB likes a girl flashing it at him [18:13] chav (n=michael@99-166-165-150.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:14] missyjane, noooo... now we are all doomed [18:14] wahooooo8 (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Success [18:14] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:14] dive shhh he doesnt remember anything [18:14] now.. who wants to be my vict... i mean lover today? [18:14] brb [18:14] Before you know it you'll be called alienBOOB missyjane... [18:14] Alien Boobs are awesome. Like in Total Recall! [18:15] especially in triplicate [18:15] :O [18:16] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:17] must be teaime [18:17] teatime even [18:19] im just trying to find a website that doesnt need a lot of graphics >< like css only templates so i can model after it [18:19] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] hmm I know one... one sec [18:19] sony.com [18:20] haha sony has a crap load of graphics [18:20] and uses flash [18:20] http://glish.com/css/home.asp [18:20] but it looks good [18:20] glish has just examples of css layouts [18:20] this might be asking for too much but i want one with advertising like adsense on it [18:21] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:21] http://www.unealize.co.uk [18:21] http://www.pubology.com [18:21] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:21] dive: http://www.pastebin.ca/1502537 [18:21] missyjane: what do you want to achieve with that website? [18:21] dive: i belive i have found the problem [18:21] flash makes me cringe. playing adobe roulette. will it lock your browser? place your bets now. [18:22] Hey dtanner, how are you? [18:22] hey fire|bird [18:22] in my case, the sound stopped working in flash [18:22] im good! [18:22] but I had an old plugin [18:22] beatzz, after compiling kernel you will need to reinsall nvidia driver [18:22] dive: :D driver + module? [18:22] beatzz, and anything else you have that uses out of tree modules [18:22] chav (n=michael@99-166-165-150.lightspeed.jcvlfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:23] beatzz, the module is the driver [18:23] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:23] dive: on SBo nvidia is a 2 piece deal [18:23] just got back from the docs appointment i have dreaded and all is good! i quit ciggarettes and started cigars instead but i could not convice the cardiologist that since i did not inhale that it woud be ok to smoke cigars instead. =/ [18:23] i guess i can do both just as easly [18:24] missyjane, sorry that should have been http://www.unrealize.co.uk/ [18:24] budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:24] someone say BOOBS? [18:24] missyjane, you a web designer? [18:25] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [18:25] dive no [18:25] artv61 (n=artv61@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:26] missyjane, but you are making one? [18:26] dtanner, where? [18:26] < alienBOB> Before you know it you'll be called alienBOOB missyjane... [18:26] < eviljames> Alien Boobs are awesome. Like in Total Recall! [18:26] /hilight -line boobs -color %Y [18:26] alienBOB, i have a personal website that has adsense on it, ive had it for a while but little-to-no traffic due to little contents but at the same time, i realize copied theme (that is i just merely modified someone elses theme) mkaes me feel uncomfortable and unmotivated to write, so i am trying take what i have now and make it better, you know? [18:28] truth be told, it sjust my privacy policy and disclaimer and stuff like that is... literally, UGLY [18:28] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:28] lol [18:28] I was at a friend and I want his girlfriend! she cooked and brought us beers without saying anything while we where like laying on couches and not doing anything! [18:28] lol [18:28] uh.. [18:28] y0 Camarade_Tux [18:28] i did that with my exbf [18:28] missyjane: I found that maintaining my own website html code detracted me from adding actual content, so now I use wordpress for my blog and dokuwiki for my documentation articles [18:28] before my stupid ass ex joined the military [18:29] yo fire|bird :) [18:29] alienBOB, yea me too but even cms has templates, ya know? [18:29] hi fire|bird Camarade_Tux :-) [18:29] Hey dive, how's it going? [18:29] Yes I use a template now for both [18:29] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.82.96) joined ##slackware. [18:29] not so bad, yourself? [18:29] dive: doing great, thank you. [18:29] I second alienBOB on that, having to bother about the website code basically prevents you from adding any content [18:29] hey dive :) [18:30] hm [18:30] also, i want my template to look good, even tho i copied it from someone else [18:30] what sort of material do you write missyjane ? [18:30] and hi missyjane ;) [18:31] I have a website for painting, photo and writing [18:31] missyjane: I put pictures I take myself in my blog template header. That makes it personal enough, along with the widget layout [18:31] looking for submissions.. [18:31] dive, right now mostly random interesting things >< [18:31] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Client Quit [18:32] like politics, religion, etc [18:32] Camarade_Tux, :) hello, alienBOB i seriously like that, i wanna do something like that too [18:32] well i already do [18:32] ah right - I'm looking for poetry and flash fiction mainly [18:34] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:37] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.164.54) joined ##slackware. [18:37] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:38] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleeeeeeeeeeep" [18:39] geoferg (n=geoferg@user-514d2067.l1.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:41] geoferg (n=geoferg@user-514d2067.l1.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [18:42] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-7.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] how much transfat does centos/gayhat have? [18:43] why you worried about it then? :P [18:43] uhh [18:44] jeev: The same RedHat that is popularizing Linux in the business side of things and has entered the S&P 500? [18:46] don't hate on the redhat [18:46] so what [18:46] lame! [18:46] or ubuntu [18:47] It's lame that any time someone makes good progress for Linux that tardonauts want to shoot them down to look "counterculture" [18:47] extended support distro's are very nice [18:47] eviljames, redhat isn't good progress [18:47] Redhat has its place [18:47] maybe marketing wise [18:47] i have redhat running on a web server box... it once had an uptime of 6 months and was still stable. it's been just as stable as slack in my experience [18:47] RH is nice if you're a corp [18:47] it's a terrible and insecure distribution, has been for 10 years [18:47] or longer, whatever [18:47] Desktop distro's move way way way too fast for servers [18:47] Uhm..whats insecure? [18:48] all the packages they chose to set up as default [18:48] Such as? [18:48] wuftpd, when there was better [18:48] Security is a procedure, not a product - and is up to the Admin, not the distro. [18:48] Amen [18:48] definitely wasn't slackware that was vulnerable by default back then [18:48] insure boxes are usually the users fault [18:48] Really? [18:48] not always the user but maybe the distributed packages could've been better chosen [18:48] insecure* [18:48] bah [18:48] I seem to remember SSH (be default) allowed to run on boot up..with root auth enabled... [18:48] s/users/admin [18:49] On Slackware [18:49] yeah admin [18:49] what else do you remember [18:49] hurry up, pull up packetstorm or securityfocus!! hurry [18:49] Uhm.. [18:49] I have no need to [18:49] yes ssh is ran by default if you shoose it to be [18:49] I found Redhat to be one of the easiest distros to install and setup [18:49] dive: and maintain. [18:50] RHEL also includes a firewall and selinux by default [18:50] Yes..very insecure indeed [18:50] I wouldn't know too much of that side eviljames [18:50] except SELinux would break if you weren't careful [18:50] I still have it but use it rarely right now [18:50] so why dont you guys go run redhat and leave slackware to the people who respect it [18:50] Fedora did the same shit... they really need to be careful about that [18:50] RHEL so insecure it makes an unpatched Windows XP seem secure [18:50] kb3rmq (n=casey@pool-71-253-3-131.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] Hakudoshi: hahah NetBSD too. [18:50] /sarcasim [18:50] Running Slackware != hating other os's [18:50] rhel came a long ways from the trash they were distributing back then [18:51] no other OS came dirty like redhat did [18:51] ... [18:51] XP.... [18:51] no other "distro" jeev... [18:51] XP took a while to [18:51] 'cause that's like saying that linux is flawed in some way [18:51] I've still yet to see a single, solid statement about how RHEL is 'vulnerable by default' [18:51] i never mentioned RHEL, straterra. [18:51] straterra: That's because we all fell into a troll. :P [18:51] You mentioned RedHat [18:51] it isn't straterra >.> [18:52] redhat, the OS they used to distribute when they were "free" [18:52] Stop the hate! [18:52] s/te/e/ [18:52] i want some yoshinoya [18:52] don't feed the troll [18:52] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-180-166.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:52] ugh, how can you eat that garbage? >.> [18:52] troll is a word used by people who have no idea what to say, confused.. it's like throwing out the word anti-semite.. everyone then shuts up [18:52] its' amazing [18:53] jeev : actually, you're a prime example of a troll [18:53] troll has become the next 'anti-semite' [18:53] And as for XP being insecure..I had an unpatched XP SP2 machine on the internet for a very long time..a vm..and didn't get anything at all [18:53] ananke, actually i'm not [18:53] yea straterra, took a while before that stuff became crazy [18:53] whats bad is those anti-dentite [18:53] Hakudoshi: apparantly you hate Jews [18:53] straterra, SP2 would be patched ;P [18:53] jeev : yes, you are. every day i see nothing but baiting from you [18:53] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:53] now you put up XP up and you're infected in minutes [18:53] chkconfig ftw! [18:53] jeev: Uhm..my experiment showed quite the opposite [18:54] ananke, i dont see anything from you until i start talking, ignored [18:54] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:54] even now stra? [18:54] RipVanWinkle: anything to get some Seinfeld in, eh? :P [18:54] jeev, no you don't [18:54] tho i've never been infected in minutes on XP w/o SP2 [18:54] jeev, if you're directly connecting _ANY_ machine to the internet, it's a bonehead move [18:54] jeev : complete and unrelated nonsense [18:54] straterra, a year or two ago, put up a xp system for fun directly to the modem and it was infected in minutes [18:54] we have these things, they're called firewalls [18:54] itw asn't like that when xp came out though.. for a long time i think [18:54] jeev: Not with SP1 or later [18:54] with the firewall running and not doing silly things like downloading crap or blindly opening email attachments XP is fine [18:54] yea i know [18:55] The XP firewall stops what you are talking about [18:55] i thought they had Sp2 worms too ? [18:55] You are talking about sasser [18:55] RipVanWinkle: http://pastebin.ca/1502241 <- my response to A Few Good Men [18:55] Action: eviljames is an anti-dentite. [18:55] The XP firewall stops the 'plug in and infected in minutes' thing [18:55] blacksheep (n=blackshe@97-115-178-251.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:55] ahh, those things sucked [18:55] :/ [18:55] why are we talking about the flaws of *other* OSes and distroes? [18:55] I don't hate Jewish people :/ [18:55] was that dcom ? [18:55] so confused [18:55] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:55] Anyway..its almost 7 pm and I'm still at work [18:56] dcom was a problem cause bandwidth was sort of expensive back then [18:56] straterra, go home [18:56] I'm about to [18:56] straterra: who's the unlucky chloroform victim now? [18:56] lol [18:56] so if you were on a level3 ip block where there were dialups in the same /8, you'd get your ass scanned for hours, days [18:56] Necos: Zenoss [18:56] and the overage blew [18:56] Trying to get AIX's SNMP to not be retarded [18:56] I wish it just had net-snmp [18:56] every OS has flaws and advantages [18:57] hehe [18:57] that's wack straterra :( [18:57] some more/less than others [18:57] lol [18:57] i wanna be a supergirl, so that when a guy tries to chloroform me and go "what does this smell like?" and i literally eat him alive after he tries to do that on me [18:57] straterra : i think i just compiled net-snmp on mine [18:57] heh [18:58] i thought i was random [18:58] missyjane: then straterra is not for you :) [18:58] missyjane: Of course: "What does this smell like?" THAT's how I administer it to unsuspecting women! [18:58] missyjane: Thanks for the tip! [18:58] D: [18:58] LOL ej [18:58] eviljames is known as the roofie prince, he's always dropping it in drinks [18:58] Action: missyjane sharpens a knife [18:59] ananke: oh? Was it difficult? [18:59] I've been trying out a new chat up line: 'Scream, and you die.' [18:59] And what version of SNMP? [18:59] Action: dive runs [18:59] straterra, does bsnmpd build on it ? [18:59] dive: I use "Come with me if you want to live." [18:59] I have like.. 5.2 and some 4.x [18:59] I'm pretty much always wearing sunglasses and chicks have Terminator complexes - all of 'em. [19:00] lol >.> oh my god [19:00] you guys are great and im complimenting rapists, i cant believe it [19:00] Axtroz (n=axtroz@212.25.53.32) joined ##slackware. [19:00] incenso (n=gbas@st2-84-90-154-190.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:00] missyjane: Nahhh, I wear the sunglasses to get them to stop complimenting my beautiful eyes. Enough is enough somedays.. :P [19:01] hidding your eyes! [19:01] who's a rapist? [19:01] maxote: Sometimes you have to when you're this really, really ridiculously goodlooking.. [19:02] Hakudoshi, lol scroll up [19:02] hi [19:02] eviljames, if you are serious, we should get together, im amodeler [19:02] eviljames, you're uglier than Rosie Odonnell(sp?) [19:02] when i met my wife she raped me, then i raped her then we raped eachother simultaniously [19:03] lol [19:03] you can't rape the willing [19:03] missyjane, what kind of models do you modelate it? [19:03] Hakudoshi, nobody has ever been willing with eviljames. [19:03] Hakudoshi: i am [19:03] Barbie's model? [19:03] Hakudoshi: my GF *loves* a good old fashioned bondage rape [19:03] Hakudoshi: Nope. I'm hawt. [19:03] macavity, you're willing with eviljames ? [19:04] macavity: She'll prefer it if you blindfolder her while sleeping and tie her up then. [19:04] eviljames: wanna get a little rape fantasy going tonight? *wink-wink* [19:04] .... [19:04] is this now ##slackware-rape? [19:04] if you'd like :P [19:04] D: [19:04] macavity: dude you're speaking my language! [19:04] Action: macavity smiles very very convincingly at Hakudoshi [19:05] only rape help if you use slackware? [19:05] actually, you odds of getting raped for real is much better if you use gentoo :P [19:05] we have a special room *just* for those [19:05] Gentoo is good [19:06] gives you time to watch TV [19:06] naa.. i HATE forplay THAT long ;-) [19:06] well, this has taken a twisted turn. [19:07] thanks to eviljames [19:07] eviljames: what did you expect :P [19:07] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:07] mostly everything takes a twisted turn in here [19:07] now eviljames help danc3 out [19:07] huh? [19:07] hey guys. can you give me a clue about alsa configuration? plz? [19:08] incenso: Maybe some clues.. what's up? [19:08] alsaconf [19:08] macavity: that's how we like it? [19:08] Hakudoshi: what is it that you think I need help with? [19:08] danc3, no idea, life? [19:08] danc3: He's been trying to boss me around all day. Like I work for him or something. [19:08] What a jerk! [19:08] Necos: i dont know if that is how you like it, but it sure is the way you are going to get it ;-) [19:08] Hakudoshi yes, I can do it on root, and all the sound card are detected, but ... no sound on normal user [19:08] Hakudoshi: bugger off [19:08] incenso: part of group audio / [19:09] incenso, gpasswd -a [19:09] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:09] incenso: you should have read the big nice help text on the screen when you ran adduser :P [19:09] lol macavity :P [19:09] incenso, gpasswd -a user audio [19:10] or smthin [19:10] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:10] Hakudoshi: That's the right command, assuming he's not part of the audio group. [19:10] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] eviljames, now go help um snowdonkey [19:10] macavity ... maybe I forgot to add sound group to the user.... [19:11] is it? [19:11] incenso: check with the command id [19:11] odds are you did forget [19:11] I don't need no help. :) [19:11] We all need help! [19:11] indeed [19:11] incenso: it says "press 'arrow up' to get the defaults" or some such [19:11] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.1) joined ##slackware. [19:11] incenso: but i belive it is "audio" and not sound [19:11] no ... I forgot to add the sound user [19:12] "the sound user"? [19:12] maybe [19:12] there should not be a user called sound [19:12] wtf is the sound user? [19:12] no .. audio group to the user [19:12] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.129.138) joined ##slackware. [19:12] or rather, add the user to the audio group [19:12] ya ... [19:12] incenso: gpasswd -a [your_username] audio [19:12] gpasswd -a incenso audio [19:12] gpasswd -a username audio [19:13] ya ... its ok .. thanks [19:13] heh - I think we've pretty much dealt with this one - who's next? [19:13] might as well as add video and cdrom too [19:13] blacksheep (n=blackshe@97-115-178-251.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:13] or rather "gpasswd -a gbas audio" :P [19:13] ok ... working ...thanks [19:14] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [19:14] incenso: what does "groups" return when you are logged in as incenso/gbas? [19:14] Pig_Pen needs no help [19:14] incenso: ... just in case you missed some other ones while we are at it [19:14] help me mister wizard [19:15] eviljames will help you [19:15] in fact it only returns the users group, I only add that when I created the user [19:15] Pig_Pen: turn left [19:15] Pig_Pen: no, your other left! [19:15] evo_ (n=evo@p5DDE70BF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [19:15] hi macavity [19:15] Pig_Pen needs to shower [19:16] macavity: That's a Texas Left.. Which is YOUR down! [19:16] but ... why is the user IN the groups and not otherwise? [19:17] Night guys. [19:17] i mean ... to add a group to the groups list for every user [19:17] slava_dp (n=family@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:17] exp[a] (n=Zerg@83.167.120.155) joined ##slackware. [19:18] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Connection timed out [19:19] night illuz1oN [19:19] the shower didnt help, i am still a pig [19:19] btw, which file does addser read to get its default aditional groups? [19:19] well [19:19] illuz1oN: later dude [19:19] Action: Hakudoshi kills Pig_Pen and makes some bacon and eggs [19:19] mmmm bacon [19:20] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:20] ah, it doesnt [19:20] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.83.154) joined ##slackware. [19:20] paissad (n=paissad@245.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [19:21] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [19:21] i mean ... when a user is added useradd ... we can "link" to several groups, I gess .... useradd -G ...... :/ [19:21] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:21] no? [19:21] incenso: grep -m1 AGID /usr/sbin/adduser [19:21] paissad (n=paissad@245.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:21] incenso: that returns the groups you should make sure you are a member of [19:22] incenso: Yes, but the adduser script makes it a little easier for you [19:22] incenso: no, gpasswd -a [19:22] paissad (n=paissad@245.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [19:22] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.157.105) left irc: Connection timed out [19:23] clavius (i=1000@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [19:23] oh ... I'll read those ones, I didn't know theme, gpasswd and adduser :/ ... [19:24] i know a secret! :D [19:24] you like men, we already know [19:24] j/k [19:24] zing! [19:24] i know your secret identify Hakudoshi [19:24] *identity* [19:24] -current is hot :) [19:24] what would that be? [19:25] superGear [19:25] paissad: indeed. Too hot to touch some days :P [19:25] yes it is [19:25] OMG YOU FOUND OUT! [19:25] hehehe [19:25] a simple /whois would tell anybody that [19:26] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [19:26] RJz0r (n=taterz@lawlz.net) left irc: "Changing server" [19:26] RJz0r (n=taterz@lawlz.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] i am already getting two of my three PCs ready for 13, i have the extra partitions cleared out and waiting for a fresh install [19:27] :) [19:28] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:29] i am not running current, i will wait for 13 to be officially released, and i wont wipe 12.2 off for it, i will install it in some extra disk partitions and dualboot with 12.2 and see what all is changed besides kde4 [19:29] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:29] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [19:31] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.82.96) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:31] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [19:31] hey.. i just manipulated my group memberships [19:31] how the heck do i get that to take effect without loggin out of x? [19:32] my NetBSD install will have to be wiped out for slack 13, i kind of liked NetBSD, /etc/* was simple and clean the documentation is better than FreeBSD [19:32] macavity: YOU DON'T. [19:32] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:32] eviljames: you must be bloody fscking kidding me? [19:32] usually I'd apologize for caps. But today I'm not feeling apologetic. [19:33] eviljames: i mean, the freaking HURD can do this?!? [19:33] log out and log in is the only way macavity [19:33] gez [19:33] macavity (n=macavity@4308ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:33] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.82.222) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:33] wtf, who doesn't use irssi in a screen session so as to NEVER EVER have to quit? [19:33] macavity (n=macavity@4308ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:34] use newgrp ? [19:34] i find that somewhat rediculous that i cant just call login again :P [19:34] i just had a great shower guys [19:34] a GREAT ONE [19:34] missyjane: and we need to know why? :P [19:34] missyjane: who washed your back? [19:35] missyjane: pics or it didn't happen. [19:35] macavity: try su - and groups [19:35] or newgrp [19:35] macavity, yes, you do, Pig_Pen you.. wait.. was that your twin brothert then? [19:35] i want to see what missyjane looks like, even just a mugshot [19:35] ok [19:35] missyjane: i asked why :P [19:36] WooHoo! [19:36] Pig_Pen, thats strange, do you remember ignore-girl or airer-girl? [19:36] or airergirl? [19:36] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [19:36] yeah, that nick rings a bell [19:36] that was me D: [19:36] and i had pics posted [19:36] isn't your name tom? [19:36] post a mugshot on imagebin.org [19:36] and you are a male? [19:36] thrice`, indeed, tom :) and yes i have a bigger peepe than you thrice`, mine is HYUUGGGE :D [19:37] hahah [19:37] Action: thrice` wasn't joking [19:37] that is most excellent. [19:37] Action: missyjane slaps thrice` with his HYUUGGGE peepee [19:37] i am serious too [19:37] oh.. i was just about to say "wasnt that the broad who was in here thinking that there is special treatment for women?".. but now that i come to think of it, i just think i will let that one slide [19:37] I'm aroused... and confused... [19:37] incenso (n=gbas@st2-84-90-154-190.netvisao.pt) left irc: "incenso has no reason" [19:38] some women have a pretty big button [19:38] macavity, ive made enough enemies on freenode to create logs to show how mean ppl are, i have a few in my sites archive, which even after you reading it, would make you go "hrm..." [19:38] missyjane: is that some sort of special tallent you have? [19:39] missyjane: you're cool with me, i have a thick skin [19:39] missyjane: .. making enemies that is [19:39] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.28.149) joined ##slackware. [19:39] oops... here comes nachox [19:39] RUN!!! [19:39] missyjane: hide the joint, NOW! [19:39] everyone, run for your life, dd-wrt has a remote exploit! :P [19:39] missyjane is a mean human :( [19:39] lol o.o i have join/part turned off [19:39] brb [19:39] ouch! [19:40] and a really nasty one [19:40] ffff [19:40] Nullboy: sheilds up! [19:41] i hope dd-wrt is scrambling for a fix [19:41] Pig_Pen: none of the devs can currently get online ;-) [19:41] hehe [19:41] they better break out a good OS and do it without a router then [19:42] thankfully i don't have dd-wrt [19:42] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-57-88.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:01] josefig (n=josefig@201.164.82.16) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:01] user49623 (n=lskgsjkl@ppp-69-223-37-215.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:02] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC02166.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:02] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:04] jiraia_ (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:279) left irc: No route to host [20:05] exit [20:05] archimandrita (n=archiman@216.Red-81-33-250.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:05] phreak (n=phreak@pool-151-205-187-62.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:05] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) joined ##slackware. [20:06] Hey everyone, in your opinion, what is the best way to keep Slack 'up to date' [20:06] ? [20:06] slackware's built in update tool = slackpkg [20:06] phreak, how many slackware boxes do you have? [20:07] not true [20:07] my 12.1 doesnt have slackpkg installed [20:08] nachox: Just one. I was just wondering what was the best method to update. [20:08] is dd-wrt only vulnerable if WAN management is enabled? [20:08] bkUp (n=bkUp@200-155-169-154.static.spo.ifx.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:08] no [20:09] read about cross-site request forgery [20:10] thats the first thing i did to my wifi router, i disabled admin access from any wifi connection [20:10] thats a crack waiting to happen [20:10] do you know if tomato is affected too? [20:12] nachox: I manually download packages from slackware-current from a mirror and then use a loop with upgradepkg --install-new. Works flawlessly for me :) [20:12] tomato? [20:12] phreak : slackpg is nice, slapt-get also works. [20:13] Axtroz, that's exactly what i used to do, i had a rsync script that brought the new changes from the stable repository which i ran whenever i had a mail from the security mailing list [20:13] phreak_ (n=phreak@pool-151-205-175-113.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] i was warned not to use slapt-get to upgrade [20:15] phreak: why don't you use my way: nachox: I manually download packages from slackware-current from a mirror and then use a loop with upgradepkg --install-new. Works flawlessly for me :) [20:15] tomato is another custom firmware like dd-wrt. it has less features but has a nicer ajax interface and is leaner and arguably faster than dd-wrt [20:16] walmartshopper, the web interface of dd-wrt is what's vulnerable [20:16] phreak, 'keeping up to date' does not equal 'upgrading', upgrading implies moving from one release of slackware to another. either way, that advice without any supporting data is just invalid [20:16] ananke, i so wish you could read spanish now :P [20:17] taco bell menu is the extent of my spanish knowledge :) [20:17] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.129.138) left irc: "Leaving" [20:18] ananke: So if i meant 'keeping up to date', not 'upgrading', how would i accomplish this? [20:18] hmm, silly boxee. i told --disable-pulse, yet it wants to compile against pulseaudio [20:18] ananke, http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2009/07/chinese-kid-drinks-gas-because-of-transformers [20:18] phreak, slackpg or slapt-get [20:19] nachox : saw that this morning on reddit. crazy [20:19] i couldnt stop laughing [20:19] i find it sad [20:19] ananke, Ok thank you [20:20] well, it is not funny, it is unusual and... nasty... and wrong i guess, how cant the parents control a kid like that? [20:20] nachox : i'm amazed that it went on unnoticed for so long [20:20] nachox : and you never kept something from your parents? :) [20:21] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.83.154) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [20:21] ananke, when you drink gas, you smell like it [20:22] nachox : first hand experience? :) [20:22] phreak_: just use slackpkg [20:22] of course, i had a pint in the morning [20:23] are working the libraries in the sense of compatibility multiarchitecture? [20:23] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [20:24] maxote: huh? [20:24] google translate it [20:24] if we read it backwards, will it make sense? [20:24] phreak_: i would recommend slackpkg or slackroll and avoid swaret and slapt-get [20:25] swaret, that's a name i had not read in a long time [20:25] isn't swaret dead? [20:25] sware at who? [20:25] i think so [20:25] that would show you how up-to-date walmartshopper is [20:26] hahaha [20:26] huh? he said to avoid it [20:27] sup ananke , nachox , thrice ? [20:27] slack freaks [20:27] i was trying to save him from wasting time trying it [20:27] dtanner : hi [20:27] hey dtanner [20:27] Ok thanks guys [20:27] walmartshopper : and how would slapt-get waste his time? [20:28] because, Pat put slackpkg in slackware, and left slapt-get out. [20:28] thrice` : that doesn't answer the question [20:28] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:28] someone suggested I use /etc/sudoers instead of logging into X as root. Well, I set that up but konsole is still asking me for a password. [20:28] ok, "he would have to go out and download, install, and configure a tool, to which the functionality already exists in slackware." [20:29] and because the only packages that has "dependency information" comes from linuxpackages.net... thus, if using slapt-get with signed packages, one might as well use slackpkg, which is available per default [20:29] thrice` : that doesn't answer the question [20:29] ok, i'm not arguing [20:29] dchmelik, use pastebin, show us your sudoers file [20:29] phreak (n=phreak@pool-151-205-187-62.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [20:29] slackpkg was already suggested to him as something that comes with slackware. telling somebody to actually 'stay away' from another product is a much different approach [20:30] Nick change: tuvok302 -> tuvok302_hiding [20:30] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.83.154) joined ##slackware. [20:30] KATE is not even letting me read from the file, but I will get it elsewhere [20:30] not recommending something is NOT equal to discouraging somebody from using it [20:30] his comment was, that his time would be wasted if he went out searching for something to update slackware, while a tool already is present by default [20:31] thrice` : it's noble of you to try to answer for walmartshopper, but why don't you allow him to do it? [20:31] dchmelik, sudoers is supposed to be owned by the root user and not have read permisions for anyone else, so that's ok, open a konsole, type su and press enter, it'll ask you for the root password [20:32] dchmelik, after you've became root, run cat /etc/sudoers [20:32] Nick change: tuvok302_hiding -> tuvok302 [20:32] i never said he should stay away from it... it was just a recommendation based on my own experience [20:32] the only one i said would be a waste of time is swaret [20:32] walmartshopper : you did say 'avoid' [20:32] so how do you get a generic config for the kernel? [20:33] beatzz: define "generic"? [20:33] http://pastebin.com/d33921bf1 [20:33] i said recommend.... avoiding [20:33] beatzz : the very generic one? make mrproper [20:33] walmartshopper : phreak_: i would recommend slackpkg or slackroll and avoid swaret and slapt-get [20:33] beatzz, check in /boot, there used to be a config for the default kernel in slackware there [20:33] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:34] config-generic-2.6.30 [20:34] ? [20:34] beatzz: you mean default kernel config indepedent of a distro's pre-built kernel? [20:34] n/m .. sorry, too many people trying to help you. [20:34] Action: dtanner butts out. [20:34] i mean, im about to put a new kernel in, following this tutorial http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding&s[]=kernel [20:35] and the link for the config file is busted [20:35] you should use the generic-2.6.29.6 kernel, copy it to ".config" in the kernel source, and "make oldconfig" [20:35] ok, where do i get that? [20:35] are you on slackware now? [20:35] yes, and im running 2.6.27.7 [20:35] ok, sec [20:36] i just decided to reinstall slack on my box cause i wasent getting anywhere fixing X [20:36] so i got slack installed, and upgrading [20:36] dchmelik, what's your username? type id where is your current username and paste that one line her [20:36] next i wana put in the newest kernel [20:36] but to follow this tutorial i gata download a generic config file [20:36] beatzz, why do you want to change your kernel? [20:37] nachox: cause i want my email server to be up to date? [20:37] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-current/source/k/config-generic-smp-2.6.29.6-smp [20:37] beatzz : using the 'latest and greatest' kernel is not necessarily a good way of doing it [20:37] uid=1000(omitted) gid=100(users) groups=100(users),10(wheel),11(floppy),17(audio),18(video),19(cdrom),83(plugdev) [20:38] beatzz, switching to the latest kernel is not the way yo do it, keep an eye on the stable changelog of slackware and use the kernel provided by pat [20:38] beatzz : i'd focus on keeping your services up-to-date [20:38] I guess it would let me login with my wheel user okay, but I would like to open a root console without having to login to it [20:38] I mean a root terminal in X [20:38] indeed [20:38] all very good advice [20:39] because of my lazyness you have swayed me to NOT mess w/ the kernel [20:39] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.18.196) left irc: "Leaving." [20:39] and just get the email service goin w/ the kernel i got [20:39] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:39] dchmelik, does sudo cat /etc/sudoers in a konsole ask for a password? [20:40] no [20:40] you call it lazyness, i call it common sense [20:40] dchmelik, then what's the problem? [20:40] personally i use slackpkg, and every once in awhile i use slackroll since it has a few features that slackpkg doesn't have.... slapt-get doesn't really offer me anything that I can't do with slackpkg and slackroll, so I don't use it. [20:40] kejen_ (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] that I either have to login (and that it is not recommended) or type four characters every time I want to do something with root [20:41] walmartshopper : fair enough, if you put it that way. however, telling people to actually _avoid_ some software is another story [20:41] dchmelik: sudo -s [20:42] maybe i shouldn't have put slapt-get in the "avoid" category since it's been a while since I used it, but it didn't work well for me last time i tried it [20:42] ok, dtanner, I am reading about that [20:42] recommending stuff Pat chooses to put into slackware is usually a safe bet ;) [20:43] but i still leave swaret in the avoid category [20:43] macavity: xf86-video-intel-2.8.0-x86_64-1 :> [20:43] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:43] there seems to be no docs on what the SHELL env. var. is.... [20:43] dchmelik, sudo -s will give you a root's shell, however i do not recommend it, having to type sudo every time you need to do something as root is a good thing, it'll remind you that you might break a lot of things if you do something wrong [20:43] dchmelik: assuming your regular user that is running 'sudo -s' is in the sudoers file you only have to give it password one time. [20:44] dtanner, he has the NOPASSWD thing, so he doesnt even have to enter a password [20:44] walmartshopper : indeed, swaret hasn't been maintained in a long time [20:44] ok , then it should just pop up a shell for him. [20:45] nachox, if I was a system administrator I would agree about typing it each time, but for a system at home with as much as I know it feels pointless [20:45] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-12-148.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:46] dchmelik : there is one good reason to have it protected by a password: it prevents some accidents [20:46] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-74-106.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:46] dchmelik, if you really dont care, you might as well run as root all the time [20:47] Axtroz (n=axtroz@212.25.53.32) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:47] I do not, but someone else here who was knowledgeable said he would not help if I do that [20:47] actually running X as root does have some problems for me [20:47] but there is no reason I would not run konsole as root unless I decide to login that way [20:48] just this week i was fixing such NOPASSWD entry for a small cluster, because the idiotic vendor left it there [20:48] ananke, X is not suid anymore in slack? [20:48] alienBOB: have you used zc0301 module for Bus 002 Device 010: ID 0ac8:303b Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. ZC0303 Webcam [20:48] ???? [20:48] nachox : what? [20:48] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.83.154) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:48] thrice`: i am on it :P [20:48] X, the xorg binary, does not have the suid bit anymore? [20:49] set i mean [20:49] well sorry if i offended anyone with the slapt-get comment... didn't mean to put it in the same category as swaret. i have nothing against slapt-get... it's just that i don't feel it's necessary if you use slackpkg (and maybe a few of the extra features in slackroll) [20:49] -rwsr-xr-x [20:49] nachox : i'm confused. are you asking me in regards to what i said, or what dchmelik is talking about? i doubt that X wouldn't have setuid anymore [20:49] dchmelik: well. personally I put my regular user in sudoers and use sudo -s. it exports the$DISPLAY so i can run x apps as root without running X as root. I do not use NOPASSWD though. At least i have to enter my passwd once that way. [20:49] nachox: not untill all drivers have switched to KMS will X be able to run without being suid root [20:50] ananke, in regards to dchmelik's comment that he doesnt run X as root. i didnt think he would know where to look [20:50] nachox: Moblin (because it only supports intel) works that way now [20:50] So, when using ssh-keygen how important is the passphrase? That is, should one create a public key without a passphrase, would that be relatively easy to regenerate by a malicious attacker? [20:51] eviljames : without a passphrase, your private key has no protection. [20:51] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:51] I export DISPLAY in /etc/profile anyway, but I do not understand the input arguments for 'sudo -s'.... [20:51] [and it's your private key that's password protected, not public] [20:51] ananke: heh, that clears up that misconception :D [20:52] dchmelik: you just run it man. 'sudo -s' [20:52] I did, but I do not know how to find what arguments to put in for '-s'.... [20:52] ananke: could the private key be reconstructed from the public one, assuming no passphrase? [20:52] you do not need any dchmelik [20:52] eviljames : nope [20:52] I did man SHELL and searched on google for it... oh [20:52] just run it [20:52] eviljames, you need to read about pki :P [20:53] dchmelik, just run sudo -s as your user [20:53] yeah, I did some reading a while back but haven't spent any time with it in depth. [20:53] well I did that and ok, I see that it works, except it does not say I am root [20:53] if you really want to secure root you can disable root logon completely then the only way to do anything systemwide is to chroot from a liveCD (OUCH!) [20:53] you can post your public key on 4chan, it will be ok [20:53] Action: eviljames is well aware that he needs to read (and re-read) up. [20:53] that's why it is PUBLIC :) [20:53] dchmelik: it says i am root here when using sudo -s [20:53] Yes, that much I know, my question was specifically regarding the passphrase. [20:53] hrm [20:54] dchmelik, after that run whoami [20:54] I see that linux console does that, but not konsole: it gives root's abilities without saying you are root! [20:54] ananke: on a side note, NOTHING posted on 4chan is ok. [20:55] you'll see that after running sudo -s, it should return root [20:55] well it says that with whoami but not on the left of the '#' [20:55] http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/xvkbd/ [20:55] Why isn't something like this part of xorg? [20:55] dchmelik: sounds like a bork in konsole imho. every x terminal I run it in tells me i am root. [20:56] do you prefer another terminal besides konsole? [20:56] ccfreak2k : ohh no, yet another idea that makes sense, yet it's not part of xorg :) [20:56] hahah [20:56] I don't think that belongs in xorg, but I could probably be convinced otherwise. [20:56] eviljames: YES IT DOES! [20:56] dchmelik: I use rox-term mostly nowadays. but I prefer almost anything over konsole but thats just me. [20:57] I have not heard of that one... it does not sound like it comes with Slackware.... [20:57] thrice`: You must believe it is important to have in xorg. I'm not disputing the important part, just the 'in xorg' part. [20:57] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-193-140.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:57] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: "leaving" [20:57] I agree that it shouldn't be, but was just "trying to convince you" [20:58] THAT WASN'T VERY CONVINCING. [20:58] eviljames, http://www.gok.ca/ [20:58] dchmelik: no it doesn't but slack comes with several x terminals. [20:58] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:59] ccfreak2k: http://www.gok.ca/ [20:59] nachox: heh, I don't have any use for that. [21:00] eviljames, there's an xcalc and xterm...I just thought xkbd would follow suit. [21:00] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Success [21:00] a [21:00] b [21:00] c [21:00] Nick change: pizdets -> pizzledizzle [21:00] xcalc proves that lines can be drawn, xterm shows that a shell is available. this is a user interface widget.. [21:01] . [21:01] ./ [21:01] user49623 (n=lskgsjkl@ppp-69-223-62-150.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] bastards! [21:01] lol sorry i hit that key by accident [21:01] doing that when I wasn't paying attention! [21:01] konsole also seems to only give some root powers. I was still in after sudo and it did not do a certain command in that screen but did in a plain root screen... what do people think is the best Xterm in Slackware? [21:01] konsole :) [21:01] dchmelik: i use konsole. [21:01] I like xfce's terminal [21:01] user49623 (n=lskgsjkl@ppp-69-223-62-150.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:02] dchmelik: that is like asking which wm/de is the best. try em yourself. [21:02] btw, kde. [21:02] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:03] fluxbox [21:03] kde4 [21:03] ++Hakudoshi; [21:03] Hakudoshi-- [21:03] tho i use terminal from xfce4 [21:03] Hakudoshi+- [21:03] the only other one I saw besides xterm was rxvt, but it says it is 'vt102'.... [21:03] maybe I will just live with konsole [21:04] nothin wrong with konsole [21:04] i just like terminal better [21:04] can you install it without xfce? [21:04] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] bulletz (n=kerbau@read.rgs.edu.sg) joined ##slackware. [21:05] good question [21:05] I know thunar can be [21:05] i don't think you can but i dunno [21:05] maybe possible [21:05] CyberS0nic_ (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Client Quit [21:05] I guess not without using source then.... [21:05] Probably: http://www.xfce.org/projects/terminal [21:05] well thunar is in a package on its own [21:05] would have to build it from source i guess [21:06] uh, if you're running 13rc1 you probably already have it installed. [21:06] unless he didn't install xfce [21:07] *shrug* just install xap/ [21:07] I do not install everything [21:07] macavity (n=macavity@4308ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:07] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-57-88.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:07] the standard response seems to be "if you aren't 100% sure then install everything" [21:07] maybe thunar isn't separate [21:07] not like xfce takes up much space tho [21:08] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-36-130-100-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] another pitfall for many users imho. if you don't install everything then you should know wtf you are doing. case and point -> this very conversation. [21:09] slackware 15 will be a 15GB install :) [21:09] quick, ask me one hard question on linux, to test my knowledge [21:09] http://www.tx-us.xfce.org/archive/xfce-4.6.1/src/Terminal-0.2.12.tar.bz2 [21:10] well, at least the recommended package selection is a decent start, without having to install the kitchen sink [21:10] tho you'd need the deps too [21:10] LOL [21:10] there is not a recommended package selection anymore :( it recommends you install EVERYTHING [21:10] including emacs? [21:11] if you choose that set [21:11] ooh, I usually uninstall emacs. [21:11] like if you choose any set it autoselects everything [21:11] woah! =) I hope it never gets that big. but with todays hdd sizes it doesn't really matter all that much. trim it down after install. [21:12] i don't install emacs [21:12] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [21:13] neither do Im, but i never ask questions about what I need for what ( deps etc...) after an install. =) [21:13] s/Im/I/ [21:13] My install is around 5GB and I have *everything* installed. I'm presently of the mind that storage is cheap so.. [21:14] sigh [21:14] dtanner : hard to trim it down, if you don't know what's required [21:14] maybe he doesn't trim it down [21:15] i could remove quite a few apps [21:15] but i haven't bothered [21:15] ananke: exactly why only experienced users should be picking and choosing instead of installing everything in the first place. [21:15] hm do folks making slackpkg ever intend on making slackpkg do dependency check? [21:15] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-57-88.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:15] use ldd against everything in /bin /sbin /usr/sbin /usr/bin muhahah [21:16] that will be your dep list [21:16] missyjane : will not happen, as long as slackware itself doesn't provide that metadata [21:16] ooh [21:16] makes sense [21:16] slackpkg has dep checking [21:16] it's called YOU [21:16] well [21:16] im not reliable [21:16] it is not hard to trim apps--X, dev tools, and libraries are a bit harder to trim down. Actually X is a nightmare to trim down. [21:16] missyjane: how do you get the running kernels config file if you don't have it saved already? ( testing you with an easy one ) [21:17] Hakudoshi : that's silly [21:17] dtanner, its called the star system, duh, only two proteus with a amobeus could produce that kind of effort that the zergs require [21:17] zcat /proc/config.gz > ~/running_config [21:17] silly, but true :P [21:17] >.> (it means i dont know) [21:17] missyjane: =) [21:18] zergs? [21:18] Hakudoshi : it's invalid. [21:18] Starcraft... [21:18] you are the dep checker how is it invalid? [21:19] are you calling him incapacitated? [21:20] i'm calling the original statement invalid. a requirement of external entity to perform function X, when a given product lacks it, means that the product doesn't have that function [21:20] it's a logical fallacy [21:21] ananke, logic?! HERE?! THIS IS SLACKWARE! [21:21] Action: missyjane kicks ananke [21:21] ananke, was compiling net-snmp hard on AIX? [21:21] straterra : let me check what i've done there [21:21] kk [21:21] clavius (i=1000@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: "client exploded" [21:22] no offense but why do people use "kk"? dont they know thats its rude? [21:22] again offense, i just figured two known ppl wouldnt use kk on each other [21:22] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:22] again no offense* rofl [21:23] I take offense to your multiple no offense clauses. [21:23] Action: missyjane throws rock at antiwire [21:23] it clearly demonstrates that what you are nagging about is offensive [21:23] straterra : btw, did you check ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/aix/freeSoftware/aixtoolbox/RPMS/ppc ? [21:23] Action: dtanner goes into defensive mode... [21:23] Action: missyjane goes to sleep [21:24] im too tired, if any of you want to webcam now, we can, just pm me and if we do, you HAVE to read me a good night story [21:24] kk [21:24] heh [21:24] LOL [21:24] kk [21:24] webcam? [21:24] no [21:24] hmm, aixtoolbox doesn't have it [21:24] that was quick Hakudoshi [21:24] is this AOL? [21:24] i have old aix... [21:24] people still use AOL? [21:24] yea and i hope they call it "Slack Online" [21:24] 4 and 5.2 [21:27] I want to configure my system in a certain insecure way.... [21:27] by putting 'sudo -s' in /etc/profile [21:28] Slack Online? SOL :/ [21:28] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: [21:28] however it did not work in /etc/profile [21:28] now that Pig_Pen is gone you should post a mugshot missyjane [21:29] hey [21:29] i wonder if there's a douchecam [21:29] and dont say "yea, it's jeev's webcam" [21:29] i mean a real one [21:31] yea, it's jeev's webcam [21:31] I hope there is not some kind of restriction to using sudo in /etc/profile or .bashrc (of course .bashrc would not work for what I am doing) [21:32] habaneros (n=habanero@74-43.202-68.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[21:48] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:50] it seems there *is* a restriction against using 'sudo -s' in /etc/profile [21:51] i have a problem guys, when i use ssh like this, ssh paissad-server, or ssh 192.168.1.10, they do work, but when i do ssh paissad.homelinux.com, i have nothing knowing that i configured the router to forward packets from port 22 to the local ip adress 192.168.1..10:22 [21:51] where am i wrong ? [21:52] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [21:52] did you put your URL in /etc/hosts? [21:52] no [21:53] is it there though? maybe you did in setup? [21:53] cat /etc/hosts and see if it has your homelinux.com URL [21:53] no i don't have my homelinux.com into /etc/hosts [21:54] /var/log/setup/setup.netconfig [21:55] dchmelik, http://pastebin.fr/5146 [21:57] if that is the script I mentioned I meant you should run it.... [21:57] dchmelik, the thing which disturbs me is that if i assign my public ip adress to homelinux.com into /etc/hosts, what would happen if my ip adress change ? [21:57] you need a DNS updater [21:57] yep [21:57] do not put the IP address in /etc/hosts [21:57] unless you need to for some reason that you know [21:58] so i just add paissad.homelinux.com [21:58] enough ? [21:58] just run the setup.netconfig and type paissad in one field and homelinux.com in another [21:58] one is hostname, but I forgot what the other is called [21:58] ok i see [21:58] but you can tell me [21:59] I can run you through it [22:00] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-9-41-209.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:01] hmm, when I try to run netconfig it says 'no such file or directory' [22:01] did you get that? [22:01] I think I have seen that before [22:02] when i ran netconfig .... it asked me to enter the hostaname [22:02] i typed "paissad" [22:02] that is probably right [22:02] then what? [22:02] and after that, the domain name, i typed "homelinux.com" [22:02] good [22:02] that's all [22:02] so you know the rest? ok. What are you doing for DNS? [22:03] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:03] I use inadyn but if anyone else uses your system they can see your password [22:03] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:03] dyndns.org recommends inadyn or another program that you can look up [22:03] you will have to download it [22:04] Nick change: dngr- -> dngr [22:05] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:05] dchmelik, i got my homelinux.com from dyndns.org [22:06] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430989.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:06] I can tell, paissad, but did you get a program they recommend for DNS such as inadyn or the other one? [22:06] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:06] not yet ! [22:07] hey all [22:07] hmm, let me see that, [22:07] btw, i have this now [22:07] 127.0.0.1 paissad.homelinux.com paissad [22:07] into /etc/hosts [22:07] Do any of you guys play with news groups? what's a good binary downloader? [22:07] paissad: yes, and you may be able to access that now on your own machine, but you need DNS to access it elsewhere [22:07] something like newsbinpro. [22:08] erizoe: I use Thunderbird but I do not bother with binaries [22:08] erizoe, sabnzbd [22:08] erizoe: I think it has some built in though [22:08] binaries = http://www.sabnzbd.org [22:09] dchmelik, i've not heard htat thunderbird can do it, I'll look at it though. BUt, Powtrix's suggestion probably is more realistically going to be my option. hat do you know about Hellanzb ?that's the popular one on google. [22:09] i use it alot [22:09] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:09] sabnzbd* [22:10] claws mail can do newsgroups, same with seamonkey -mail [22:10] you just will love it and forget alll others nzb readers [22:10] Lol that's pretty convincing! [22:10] claws-mail ftw [22:10] no joke, its fantastic [22:10] does claws-mail do nzb? [22:10] BP{k}, for binaries not text he is looking [22:11] hmm, two strangers i never seen before come in here advertising some unknown binary at some unknown website... which one is the sockpuppet? [22:11] nevah here? lol [22:12] i think they are both sockpuppets for someone that wants to spread malware [22:12] noo I've been here before. I'm just looking for something comperable to NBP, and i think Powtrix gave it to me. Meanwhile, Clawsmail and seamonkey -mail are both not going to be able to help me with downloading binaries. [22:13] =) thanks cats. [22:13] "1096592.27 of 1099177.02 MB Remaining " <<< its my sabnzbd queue ;) [22:13] you better be careful what you install on your machine or it could get p0wned [22:14] http://sourceforge.net/projects/sabnzbd/ [22:14] no p0wned [22:14] sf inside [22:14] pwn3d [22:14] no! its p0wned [22:15] Hey powtrix, is sabnzbdplus different from sabnzbd [22:15] ;) [22:15] ah go to plus [22:15] err... how do I make sound work on kde? [22:15] i use the plus, Plush theme [22:16] Thanks for that. [22:16] kde desktop sound effects? is arts installed gtl ? [22:16] RipVanWinkle, I guess arts is installed, lemme check [22:17] oh boy... arts is not installed [22:17] =( [22:17] erizoe, http://sourceforge.net/projects/sabnzbdplus/ [22:17] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) left irc: "Going!" [22:18] RipVanWinkle, thanks, for the tip [22:18] now I restart X? [22:18] ;p [22:18] naw just run the command artsd [22:19] command not found [22:20] thats odd [22:21] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: "zzzzzz" [22:21] you just installed arts, and artsd wont launch, maybe you will need to logout and back in for kde to be able to use it [22:21] kk brb [22:21] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:23] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:23] RipVanWinkle, arts is for kde 3.x [22:23] kde 4 uses phonon [22:25] :[ you did not mention which version of slack & kde you were using, i am still using 12.2 [22:25] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [22:26] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:27] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [22:28] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-74-106.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:28] dchmelik, ./inadyn -u paissad -p **** -a paissad.homelinux.com [22:29] I:INADYN: IP address for alias 'paissad.homelinux.com' needs update to '86.66.160.245' [22:29] I:INADYN: Alias 'paissad.homelinux.com' to IP '86.66.160.245' updated successful. [22:29] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-3-166.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] that was the output [22:29] paissad, now put inadyn somewhere like /usr/local/sbin and put inadyn in /etc/rc.d/rc.local [22:29] I think you also may need to set up an /etc/inadyn.conf [22:29] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [22:30] maybe that is where you put the password so you do not have to type the whole thing into rc.local [22:30] dchmelik, i was thinking about that, but i will create a good slackbuild for that , but the matter is : [22:30] when i try to ssh with another pc, ssh paissad.homelinux.com, i have nothing [22:30] the matter remains :( [22:30] is it behind a router or firewall? [22:30] behind a router [22:31] you may need to set it up to enable access [22:31] RTFM (read the friendly manual) [22:32] habaneros (n=habanero@74-43.202-68.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [22:32] :) [22:32] actually I have a problem with ssh too [22:32] it has some kind of problem with the key [22:33] dchmelik, i configured the router for that, but i just don't understant what's still wrong, .... i just look further :) [22:33] my problem is only on Slackware, not other systems [22:33] :) [22:33] you might have the problem too, but I do not know what to do [22:33] you gonna find it [22:33] dchmelik, RTFM (read the fucking manual) [22:33] lool [22:33] maxote, it means both. you need not be rude [22:34] Action: CmdLnKid likes https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 [22:34] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:35] i come back soon ! [22:36] paissad_ (n=paissad@9.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:46] Microsoft Gives 20,000 Lines of Code to Linux [22:47] source: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-linux-windows-driver-code,8310.html [22:47] heh.. [22:47] just one more thing to make sure is disabled and unchecked before i build a kernel [22:48] i doubt they just give their code for free.. [22:48] slak: to make linux work better inside windows [22:49] how about give source code for their hardware... [22:50] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-3-166.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:50] then it might be news [22:51] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-50.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:52] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [22:52] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [22:52] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Client Quit [22:53] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [22:53] ahhh, nice I have my wifi back [22:54] anyone from china [22:54] my friend was tls'ing to my freeswitch server earlier but now it times out, non-tls works [22:54] they filtered him? (hotel) [22:55] must be the great firewall of china [22:55] test34, he software giant this week released 20,000 lines of DEVICE DRIVER CODE to the Linux kernel community for inclusion in the Linux tree. [22:56] test34, dont you know to read? [22:56] lets hope Torvalds rejects it [22:56] RipVanWinkle : why? [22:56] gustavo_ (n=gustavo@189.114.203.183.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:57] on the mere premise that it's microsoft's code? [22:57] the part I don't get is how Microsoft managed to write so much code for devices they didn't design. [22:57] unless, of course, it's all code for their own hardware. In that case, it would appear excessive. [22:57] abby (n=abby@88-202-63-136.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [22:58] thumbs : those are abstraction layer drivers [22:58] paissad_ (n=paissad@9.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:58] oh. [22:58] on the surface it looks like paravirtualization drivers [22:59] it makes sense, then. [22:59] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:59] so now we're supposed to buy windows licences to run under virtual machine... [23:00] if it speeds up virtualization, I'm all for it [23:00] did you try ddclient instead of inadyn ? ....the SBO exits [23:00] seat licenses for windows is something unrelated [23:01] kejen_ (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:01] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.203.183) joined ##slackware. [23:01] hey all [23:01] anyone interested in thinking through a problem scenario involving VMware ? [23:01] (on slackware, of course) [23:01] rk4n3, shoot [23:02] OK, I have a fairly old guest install (Slackware 10.1) which has been migrated quite a few times successfully over a number of years, and is now residing on a Slackware 12.0 host [23:02] on a subject of releasing code, i should look at google's neatx. i wouldn't mind finding something less restrictive than nomachines NX server, and something that's easier than freeNX [23:02] VMware server 1.0.4 currently [23:03] I'm trying to migrate to new hardware [23:03] I started out with Slackware 64 on an AMD Phenom box [23:03] installed the latest VMware 2.0.1 64-bit [23:03] copied the VM to the box, fired it up, and it seemed fine [23:03] nooblet (n=nooblet@pool-71-242-221-56.phlapa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] nooblet (n=nooblet@pool-71-242-221-56.phlapa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:03] ok [23:04] zed_DX (n=kvirc@187.146.96.233) joined ##slackware. [23:04] I even ran some typical processing that its used for, and it all went good - until the first day in production use it lasted about an hour and then the VM crashed [23:04] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [23:04] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [23:04] ... tried restarting it, it ran for a minute after its file system checks, then crashed again [23:05] i hate those. you spend all the time in testing environment, everything checks out for weeks, and shortly in production it dies [23:05] ... then I couldn't even restart it - after a couple attempts, the host server hung up [23:05] have you tried converting it? [23:05] ananke: yeah, exactly [23:05] yeah, I ran the "upgrade virtual hardware" tool, same results ... the whole scenario plays out about the same after a reboot [23:06] OK, it gets more worser after this... [23:06] I wondered about Slackware 64 (being sorta pre-release), so I started over [23:06] installed Slackware 12.2 [23:06] a listserv posting implies you can use 'sudo -i' in /etc/profile, but it is not working for me either.... [23:06] then VMware 2.0.1 32-bit version [23:07] the VM seemed to run a little longer - a couple hours at first - but then same results [23:08] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:08] I then tried the older VMware (I kept a copy of the original VM files luckily) [23:08] I couldn't get 1.0.4 to compile its modules on the newer Slackware [23:09] tried the "any-to-any" patch with no joy, and even tried to trouble-shoot the compile errors directly - they went incredibly deep into scheduler code etc... [23:09] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:10] so, I'm currently wondering about two paths in particular: regress the OS to Slackware 12.0, or try different hardware (on the off-chance its a hardware issue) [23:10] I also wouldn't mind converting the guest VM to qemu, since I've been having great luck with that recently [23:11] anyway, just wondering if you have any obvious thoughts I may have missed, or similar ... [23:11] i've had to use 3 different VPN's are this coffee place [23:11] do you need to run this vm on vmware server? [23:11] will it do running on player? [23:11] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [23:11] not particularly, but all its discs are VMware virtual disks [23:11] systrik (n=c7de@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:12] i mean vmware player [23:12] ah, I suppose I could try player... might be a bit inconvenient for a headless production environment ... but I can probably manage it with VNC [23:12] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: Client Quit [23:12] good idea :) [23:12] ... at least I might be able to tell if its a product-specific software issue, I suppose ... [23:12] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [23:13] at least for a testing run [23:13] yeah, cool - thanks for the idea :) [23:13] best of luck! [23:13] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:14] abby (n=abby@88-202-63-136.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Client Quit [23:15] guys, need help with sound issue [23:15] kde's still mute [23:15] and, for that matter, death [23:15] deaf* [23:19] other DEs/WMs have sound? [23:21] have to check [23:21] switching to fluxbox [23:21] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.203.183) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:22] flux does not make sound.... [23:23] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.203.183.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:23] back [23:23] it's not a kde-only related problem [23:23] wb gtl [23:23] hey fire|bird [23:24] user not in audio group? [23:25] user belongs to audio, video, cdrom, plugdev, power, netdev [23:25] ran alsamixer? [23:25] easy sound check: find a wav file and "play file.wav", or an mp3 file and "mpg123 file.mp3" ... also, check your alsamixer settings [23:25] unmuted? [23:25] yes, alsamixer is ok [23:26] if you can either play or mpg123 an audio file from the command line, then its a WM-specific issue - otherwise its likely permissions or maybe driver not loaded, configured, or functioning [23:27] lemme find some mp3... [23:27] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-50.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:27] switching over to irrsi, no wm [23:27] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.203.183.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:27] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.141.63) joined ##slackware. [23:28] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.141.63) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:28] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.203.183.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:28] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.28.149) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:29] wb again gtl. :P [23:29] :) [23:29] hehe, ty fire|bird [23:29] hey rk4n3, how are you? [23:29] fire|bird: you're so friendly :) [23:29] :) [23:29] fire|bird: pretty good - how are you ? [23:29] doing great, thank you. [23:29] awesome [23:30] if I can get this VMware thing figured out, I'll be doing really good then [23:30] Hmm, never used vmware myself, what are you having issues with? [23:30] kb3rmq (n=casey@pool-71-253-3-131.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [23:31] an old VM that doesn't seem to want to run in a new host environment [23:31] no sound from command line [23:31] =( [23:31] ... possibly VMware software itself having problems with the new OS/hardware combination - not sure yet [23:32] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [23:32] gtl: OK, what groups does an "id -a" show you in ? [23:32] zed_DX (n=kvirc@187.146.96.233) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:33] floppy,audio,cdrom,plugdev,power,netdev,users [23:33] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:33] gtl: does aplay -l show your card? [23:34] guys, i'm trying to use ssh like this, ssh paissad.homelinux.com, but it does not work ... i already ran netconfig and inadyn [23:35] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [23:35] my router is configured to forward to port 22 to 192.168.1.10:22 which is the machine where i want to connect to [23:35] fire|bird: yes, two entries for HDA Intel [23:35] where am i wrong ? [23:36] one analog other digital [23:36] gtl: tried running alsaconf? [23:36] yup [23:36] paissad__: you're trying to connect to one box inside your lan from another inside the lan? [23:36] fire|bird: it configures ok [23:37] gtl: Hmm, just no sound huh? [23:37] gtl: well, the two things that I always hit these symptoms with is either unsupport sound hardware or some weirdness with driver conflict/ambiguity which needs something blacklisted [23:37] gtl: Did this just all of a sudden happen? Did you do anything/install anything before this issue started? [23:38] gtl: usually, if I google specifically for my sound card model and linux, I get lots of hits with people having issues/solutions or other info [23:38] fire|bird: yup, just no sound [23:39] gtl: no sound ever on this hardware ? [23:39] i installed some gnome libs deps, but i had sound working here last week [23:39] ah [23:39] gtl: and the sound stopped after installing those libs? [23:40] fire|bird: good catch (the "has anything changed" question) :) [23:40] zed_DX (n=kvirc@187.146.133.167) joined ##slackware. [23:40] can't say for sure if it worked before installing them, I think I'll reinstall everything from scratch... [23:40] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:41] gtl: remember what libs they were? Try just uninstalling them. reinstalling everything seems a bit harsh. [23:41] rk4n3: :) thanks. [23:43] fire|bird: yeah, but something is definetelly broken here and I need to use these libs so ibm lotus notes can work =( [23:43] eelriver (n=eelriver@67.102.106.32) joined ##slackware. [23:43] why do you need lotus notes? [23:44] work [23:44] ah [23:44] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:44] I can use to an extend a webmail client, but it has attachment max size limit [23:45] and by definitely broken, you mean your sound, or you're having other issues? [23:46] other issues some other issues as well, i'm "feeling" this box too slow [23:46] s/box/lappy [23:47] How long have you had this install? [23:48] couple of weeks [23:48] and it's slow? What all have you done to it? [23:48] I'm in the middle of reverting my machine to the p4ht.. [23:49] hehe! ain't that the one-million dollar question? hehe! [23:49] this is a sad day indeed :( [23:49] i hope i have a blank cd. [23:50] Action: fire|bird hands eviljames a blank cd. :) [23:50] eviljames: weren't you saying earlier optical media is dead? :P [23:51] gtl: ok, forget the question, give me a million dollars. :) [23:52] i was. turns out the old mobo I had won't boot from usb or pxe [23:52] Action: eviljames eats his words [23:52] eviljames: Ah, so a DEAD medium comes to your rescue. :P [23:52] s/medium/media/ [23:52] only because it's obsolete hardware! [23:52] lol [23:53] my core2 boots just fine off of usb.. sorta.. it errors out and kernel panics on boot [23:54] hmm... where should i go? 12.2 or -current...? [23:54] alright who is going to be the next person to create a thumb drive changer [23:54] i'm going to current [23:54] people give reasons to use slackware [23:54] 32 bit [23:54] slak, because you are asking [23:54] gtl: Well, probably won't be long before 13 is out, current is already 13rc1. :) [23:54] slak: bcuz its AWESUM [23:55] give a reason to use any linux formula [23:55] the only reason is: because it suits your needs. [23:55] fire|bird: yes, i know that [23:55] hm. I'd take that "13 is going to come out soon" with a large grain of saly [23:56] salt [23:56] Urchlay: true. [23:56] I mean, the kernel and xorg have both been updated since rc1 came out [23:56] yeh, rc2 is forthcoming [23:56] and that'll be when it's ready. [23:57] I've been running current (13rc1) for 2-3 weeks now and it's been running quite well except that nvidia/sys tray icon issue, which was fixed with the pixman downgrade. [23:57] that's my best guess anyhow. I like this game! [23:57] (if rc1 were going to get promoted to 13 release, no major components like X or the kernel would have been updated a couple days afterward) [23:57] hit that nail right on the head [23:57] there is your answer slak [23:57] fire|bird: comfortable building pixman on your own? [23:57] rworkman: I don't mind building stuff on my own. [23:57] ftp://ftp.x.org/pub/individual/lib/pixman-0.15.18.tar.bz2 [23:58] rworkman: Hmm, ok, I'll check that out, thanks. [23:58] Aint nothin wrong with a little valgrind! [00:00] --- Wed Jul 22 2009