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[00:00] <KaMii> nyRednek: any idears on how i can find out where my palm is broadcasting to?  what port?
[00:01] <nyRednek> KaMii: look at dmesg as you plug it in
[00:01] <KaMii> it doenst report anything
[00:02] <KaMii> its like its not even there
[00:02] <am0rphis> tnx, but *.xz not supported by 12.2
[00:02] <KaMii> change the script so it makes a .tgz
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[00:05] <am0rphis> i'll try to ./configure && make && make install
[00:05] <KaMii> just edit the script
[00:05] <KaMii> or grab the 12.2 source script
[00:05] <KaMii> and change the version number
[00:07] <neonflux> grab the source from pidgin.im
[00:08] <shonudo> am0rphis, which version of pidgin are you running now?
[00:08] <am0rphis> shadowx, 2.7.0
[00:08] <am0rphis> oops
[00:09] <am0rphis> shonudo, 2.7.0
[00:09] <shonudo> okay
[00:09] <shonudo> just found 2.5.2 for 12.2
[00:09] <shonudo> that's obviously not what you want
[00:09] <KaMii> im running 2.7.0 on slackintosh 12.1
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[00:19] <shonudo> am0rphis, are you running kde?
[00:20] <am0rphis> shonudo, nope, xfce or blackbox
[00:20] <shonudo> just asked because if you were, you might want to check out kopete
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[00:32] <SpartanVI> does anyone know a good network intrusion detection program (text or graphic)?
[00:32] <shonudo> wireshark (formerly ethereal)
[00:32] <shonudo> that might be what you're looking for
[00:33] <SpartanVI> ah, thanks. I'll check it out :)
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[00:37] <rirombo> What's all this nonsense about ~/.local/ and ~/.config/ directories? Does everyone use those now?
[00:37] <shonudo> SpartanVI, or you can go all out and setup a SNORT box
[00:38] <SpartanVI> never heard of SNORT... (linux noob... sorry)
[00:38] <shonudo> hang on...
[00:38] <shonudo> http://www.snort.org/
[00:39] <SpartanVI> ah, brb
[00:40] <shonudo> it's overkill, i would think
[00:40] <shonudo> just install wireshark
[00:40] <shonudo> it's small, friendly, and useful
[00:41] <SpartanVI> but, if I wanted to go nuts out and make sure no one can get into my net, snort is what I want?
[00:42] <shonudo> well, no, if you want to make SURE, you disconnect your system from the outside world
[00:42] <shonudo> turn your net off between uses
[00:42] <SpartanVI> well, I know THAT...
[00:42] <shonudo> and lock your computers in a lead-lined safe
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[00:43] <SpartanVI> sorry...
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[00:44] <BP{k}> you should be.
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[00:50] <njathan> i am trying to create an ISO image for a cd using the command 'dd if=/dev/sr0 of=CD1.iso'  ....... the cd is more than 400MB, but the image is only 229MB... any idea why so?
[00:51] <powtrix> audio track?
[00:51] <nyRednek> njathan: multi-session cd?
[00:52] <njathan> powtrix, its an Operating System CD...
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[00:52] <njathan> nyRednek, i am not sure if the CD was created as a multisession cd... how do i make out now?
[00:53] <nyRednek> njathan: which operating system?
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[00:53] <pilipo> strange problem in my pc I need to shutdown improperly just to work my audio, i'm using 13.1 64bit
[00:53] <njathan> nyRednek, windowsxp :p
[00:53] <nyRednek> njathan: not gonna help you there
[00:54] <user0> you're image isn't all there
[00:54] <pilipo> anyone encountered this before?
[00:54] <njathan> nyRednek, thats not fair!
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[00:55] <SpartanVI> what sbout windows?
[00:55] <user0> njathan, re-download a correct image
[00:55] <nyRednek> njathan: no, it is fair...i cannot advocate or assist in illegal activities such as pirating commercial software
[00:56] <Xgates> anyone good with Slackbuilds can tell me why this one:
[00:56] <Xgates> http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/13.1/misc/par2cmdline/par2cmdline.SlackBuild
[00:56] <Xgates> can't apply the patches
[00:56] <nyRednek> njathan: further, this is the wrong place to ask for such assistance, since this is a channel for an open source operating system
[00:56] <SpartanVI> every Microsoft computer comes pre-installed with onbe big-ass chunk of malware... Windows...
[00:56] <Xgates> it shows cd $PRGNAM-$VERSION but the first patch isn't being applied
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[00:57] <BP{k}> Xgates: what kind of error gives the patch?
[00:57] <Xgates> par2cmdline.SlackBuild: line 61: /home/sar/Downloads/par/patches/gcc4.patch: No such file or directory
[00:58] <Xgates> ahhh FORGET it
[00:58] <Xgates> my bad LOL
[00:59] <BP{k}> yeah figured that ;)
[00:59] <powtrix> njathan, so its a bad Operating System CD ;)
[01:02] <SpartanVI> njathan: what was the problem?
[01:04] <njathan> SpartanVI, the problem is that i have bought a $350 HD helmet camera which has very few controls on it, because config has to be done using a software built for windows. And i dont have windows m/c
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[01:05] <njathan> SpartanVI, so to comply here, i am going to try wine instead of getting a windows VM (which was the earlier idea, and for which the dd command would not make a proper image)
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[01:12] <chance22> Goodnight all.
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[01:14] <SpartanVI> hmm
[01:16] <SpartanVI> njathan: sent you msg
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[01:19] <Amer> hi can someone tell me how to update slackware?
[01:19] <Amer> what software should i use?
[01:19] <Amer> plust i installed gnome-session as well but i can't see it what do i have to do
[01:20] <byteframe> Amer, is this gsb?
[01:20] <byteframe> If so, you might want to go to that channel (#gsb).
[01:20] <Amer> gsb?
[01:20] <byteframe> Nevermind.
[01:20] <Amer> can you tell me what can i use for updateing the system?
[01:20] <Amer> i tryed yum emerge apt-get
[01:20] <Amer> nothing :) i'm new to slackware
[01:21] <byteframe> Whoa.
[01:22] Action: byteframe runs away
[01:22] <Amer> can anyone tell me please :)
[01:22] <Amer> what to use
[01:22] Action: nyRednek runs like hell
[01:22] <byteframe> Amer, I can suggest slapt-get, which is a slackware-type apt-get, but it seems clear you're going to have to read up.
[01:22] <byteframe> http://www.slackware.com
[01:23] <byteframe> Also, if you want gnome for slackware, see also gnomeslackbuild.org.
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[01:24] <ikhider> Greetings slackers, I tried to install audacity and got the following error: http://pastebin.ca/1905056
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[01:28] <kingbeowulf> ikhider, odd ... i have no issues installing audacity 1.3.12 beta
[01:28] <ikhider> kingbeowulf: Agreed, this should be an easy install
[01:29] <byteframe> That's a strange error.
[01:30] <kingbeowulf> are you sure you have the dependencies?  maybe one of you libs is corrupted
[01:30] <ikhider> kingbeowulf: I got the dependencies I need--why would they be corrupted?
[01:30] <kingbeowulf> ikhider, bad file , bad hard drive?
[01:31] <kingbeowulf> it looks like reading a file failed
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[01:33] <ikhider> kingbeowulf: Reading file?
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[01:34] <kingbeowulf> anyway...mind starting to go...getting late.. 'nite gang
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[01:35] <ikhider> Any one have any idea bout the error?
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[01:37] <botnet> think i broke something...i have both 32 and 64 bit libcurl.so, but the ncmpcpp slackbuild is saying my libcurl.so is of wrong format
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[01:37] <botnet> i tried forcing it to prefer lib64, but it still looks in lib/
[01:38] <botnet> any ideas?
[01:38] <foobarz> I upgraded slackware64 to -current! Success! ktorrent upgrade worked without issues
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[01:43] <ikhider> Interestingly, another Slackware repository--the European one--has different dependencies
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[01:44] <Ame> guys why i can't install anything in slackware
[01:44] <Ame> installpkg
[01:44] <Ame> nothing it's working
[01:44] <Ame> plust i don't know how to install slapt-get
[01:44] <Grifulkin> slackpkg install is probably your better bet
[01:45] <Grifulkin> you actually need the package already downloaded to use installpkg
[01:45] <Ame> i did
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[01:45] <Grifulkin> ahh you want slapt-get
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[01:45] <Ame> yes i got file called slapt-get-0.10.2f-i386-1.tgz
[01:46] <Ame> but not sure how to install it
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[01:46] <Grifulkin> as root
[01:46] <Grifulkin> or using sudo or whatever
[01:46] <Grifulkin> installpkg slapt-get-0.10.2f-i386-1.tgz
[01:47] <Ame> ok
[01:47] <Ame> i did
[01:47] <Teratogen> I got google chrome working!
[01:47] <Ame> thanks
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[01:47] <Teratogen> neener neener!
[01:48] <Grifulkin> no problem
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[01:48] <Grifulkin> nice I haven't accomplished that yet
[01:48] <Grifulkin> I get fed up when I have to go find random RPM for libs
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[01:49] <Grifulkin> so I just use firefox, just like I do on windows, I don't like chromium on my desktop, it's nice on my netbook though
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[01:54] <ikhider> Any one have any idea as to why audacity fails to install?
[01:54] <ikhider> http://pastebin.ca/1905056
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[01:58] <gniks> ikhider: what steps to do you take to compile it?
[01:59] <tank-man> Just wondering what the permissions on /dev/shm in slackware 13.1 is? on slack12 it is drwxr-xr-x root:root
[01:59] <ikhider> Slackbuild procedure
[01:59] <ikhider> As instructed
[01:59] <gniks> ikhider: ok, let me take a look, you on 32 or 64bit?
[01:59] <gniks> tank-man: let me check
[01:59] Action: Xgates makes a hellanzb slackpak
[01:59] <ikhider> 64 bit
[02:00] <gniks> 1777 root:root on 13.1 here tank-man
[02:00] <tank-man> so rwx for all
[02:01] <tank-man> thanks gniks for checking
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[02:01] <gniks> tank-man: don't forget the sticky bit
[02:02] <gniks> tis very important for security :)
[02:02] <tank-man> thanks for the tip
[02:02] <gniks> ikhider: give me a moment, i need to remote to my work computer :p don't do this on my server, hehe
[02:03] <ikhider> gniks: okay
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[02:04] <Xgates> WoOt Slackware package /tmp/hellanzb-0.13-i486-1_sar.tgz created
[02:04] <Xgates> look out Usenet here I come
[02:05] <gniks> hehe
[02:05] Action: gniks compiles dependencies 
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[02:05] <gniks> ikhider: are you using wxGTK or the python gtk?
[02:06] <gniks> err wxPython
[02:06] <ikhider> gniks: I tried both
[02:06] <gniks> ok
[02:06] <ikhider> gniks: Are you aware of my error?
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[02:06] <gniks> yeah i read your pastie
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[02:06] <ikhider> okay
[02:06] <gniks> did you try running ldconfig?
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[02:07] <ikhider> ldconfig?
[02:07] <gniks> thats what comes to mind at first& but i need to get to your point first to try solutions myself
[02:08] <gniks> ldconfig will read the library linker configs on your system, and regenerate the appropriate symlinks for libraries that have been added to your system
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[02:09] <gniks> if you run that without any arguments it will just use the default conf, which is safe
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[02:12] <ikhider> gniks: Where do I run the command? Can I do it anywhere?
[02:12] <gniks> yeah
[02:12] <gniks> just run it in your current dir
[02:12] <gniks> then try the compile again
[02:12] <ikhider> gniks: Okie doke, will do
[02:12] <gniks> audacity is now compiling for me, ill let you know if it errors out
[02:15] <gniks> hmmm
[02:15] <ikhider> gniks: Same darned error
[02:15] <rworkman> ikhider: df -h /tmp
[02:15] <gniks> ikhider: how many times have you tried compiling htis?
[02:15] <ikhider> 5
[02:15] <ikhider> maybe 6
[02:15] <gniks> rworkman brings up a good point as well
[02:16] <gniks> also, the word on the internet says to do make clean :p
[02:16] <ikhider> rworkman: What do you mean?
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[02:16] <gniks> however, i don't think its that simple
[02:16] <gniks> ikhider: he wants you to check the amount of disk space on /tmp
[02:16] <rworkman> ikhider: I mean, is /tmp full?
[02:16] <gniks> where the SBo packages are built
[02:16] <ikhider> rworkman: No, I have lots of space on my hard drive
[02:16] <alisonken1lap> also - look at inode usage
[02:17] <rworkman> Show me.
[02:17] <gniks> also, audacity complied fine for me wht wxGTP
[02:17] <alisonken1lap> too many little files will take up inodes without filling disk
[02:17] <gniks> s/wxGTP/wxGTK/
[02:17] <alisonken1lap> (a problem I run across a lot on our shared servers)
[02:17] <ikhider> /dev/root              19G  7.5G   11G  43% /
[02:18] <gniks> aww, poor fs planning for the win :D
[02:18] <ikhider> 11 G available
[02:18] <gniks> df -ih
[02:18] <rworkman> Well, that "truncated" error is important somehow :)  Paste more context in that bin, ikhider
[02:18] <ikhider> http://pastebin.ca/1905079
[02:19] <ikhider> rworkman: What you see is what I got
[02:19] <gniks> rworkman: other people have reported the same error building other programs, and they said a make clean fixed it
[02:19] <gniks> definitely not a disk space issue
[02:19] <ikhider> Someone suggested I try the European version of the Slack install--but there are at least a dozen more dependencies that go with that
[02:20] <rworkman> ikhider: sorry, I mean "more context" with the error.  I'm happpy with df output now :)
[02:20] <rworkman> whoa, huh?
[02:20] <rworkman> There is no "European" version of Slackware.  Slackware is Slackware.
[02:20] <gniks> he means audacity
[02:20] <ikhider> http://www.slacky.eu/asche64/pkgs/index.php?ver=14&pkg=580
[02:20] <ikhider> No it ain't
[02:21] <alisonken1lap> ah - slacky.eu
[02:21] <rworkman> I'm not going to say that pakcages from there are broken, but I will say that they're often not good enough to be used as the basis for dependencies of stuff you build from SBo.
[02:21] <alisonken1lap> ikhider: that's not the european version of slackware, that's just another unofficial slackware repo of 3rd party packages
[02:22] <shonudo> ikhider, alienBOB has a package for it
[02:22] <shonudo> he posted the link for you earlier
[02:22] <shonudo> you might want to try that
[02:22] <rworkman> ah yes, you should
[02:22] <alisonken1lap> rworkman: haven't had a chance to work with sligdo yet on my mirror
[02:22] <ikhider> rworkman: http://pastebin.ca/1905083
[02:23] <ikhider> shonudo: What do you mean?
[02:23] <alisonken1lap> had some q's about adding it to my script for updating the repo, but since it's been a while have to go back and try to remember what the q's were :)
[02:23] <gniks> i think google has dedicated crawlers to the pastebin sites, cause that page is already indexed by google :p
[02:23] <gniks> and is the second hit when searching for that error :p
[02:23] <ikhider> Where is the alienBob link?
[02:23] <rworkman> alisonken1lap: hehe, I know that feeling.  alphageek is the sligdo person, fwiw
[02:24] <alisonken1lap> rworkman: k - thanks
[02:25] <shonudo> ikhider, alienBOB posted it earlier
[02:25] <shonudo> i don't have the link
[02:25] <shonudo> but you can probably find it on his site
[02:25] <alisonken1lap> ikhider: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/audacity/ <-- this may be the one :)
[02:25] <shonudo> thanks alisonken1lap
[02:25] <ikhider> Okay, so wipe out the crap I have now and try alienbob, will do
[02:26] <shonudo> that's the link, ikhider
[02:26] <shonudo> pick the one you want/need
[02:26] <ikhider> alisonken1lap: Thanks
[02:26] <gniks> ikhider: just out of curiosity, did you md5sum check the source when you download it?
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[02:26] <ikhider> gniks:
[02:26] <ikhider> gniks: No, but i did try to install it about 8 times now
[02:27] <gniks> run an md5sum on the source archive, and then check it with whats on the SBo site
[02:27] <rworkman> ikhider: I'm curious though; this shouldn't be happening.  Something is writing to AudacityApp.o while something else is reading it (the linker, specifically).
[02:27] <rob0> Try alienBOB? What is he accused of?
[02:27] <ikhider> I am sure one of those time would have netted me a good build--plus I installed a gazillion other things meanwhile
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[02:27] <ikhider> rob0: A package to install Audacity
[02:27] <rworkman> ikhider: try "rm -rf /tmp/SBo" and then run the build again
[02:27] <rob0> My client pleads Not Guilty.
[02:27] <ikhider> rworkman: Ahh, I do not let things go in the temp file
[02:27] <shonudo> lol@rob0
[02:27] <ikhider> I change teh output
[02:28] <shonudo> you should plead the fifth
[02:28] <gniks> ikhider: why do you do that?
[02:28] <rworkman> Well, remove wherever you put it.
[02:28] <shonudo> and send me a fifth of 12-year-old scotch
[02:28] <shonudo> i rest my case
[02:28] <shonudo> (send me a case!)
[02:28] <rob0> There is no fifth, but maybe a 750ml bottle instead?
[02:28] <ikhider> gniks: My brother, a Linux whiz suggested it is cleaner to install into a libraries or programs folder
[02:28] <shonudo> better!
[02:28] Action: rworkman bouth a six pack of Xingu today.
[02:29] <alisonken1lap> gniks: in my case, it's because I make a small root partition, and like my sbo to keep it's stuff in a separate directory
[02:29] <gniks> ikhider: its not installing INTO /tmp its compliling it there
[02:29] <rworkman> ikhider: tell your brother to come fix stuff then.
[02:29] <ikhider> apparently, the temp folder is a messy practice
[02:29] <alisonken1lap> I've got sbopkg and slackpkg using /home/sbo and /home/slackpkg for their use
[02:29] <gniks> lol, i don't think your brother is familiar with how slackware does things
[02:29] <ikhider> But I am a newb, what the hell do I know?
[02:29] <rob0> ikhider: sounds like a bad idea to the whizzes around here.
[02:29] <rworkman> ikhider: apparently, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
[02:29] <gniks> you do exactly as rworkman tells you :)
[02:30] <shonudo> and send the booze
[02:30] <rworkman> Six pack of Shiner Black please
[02:30] <rob0> Also, watch your language, "folder" is a Microsoft word.
[02:30] <gniks> alisonken1lap: thats a good idea& i just don't keep stuff around really anyway :p
[02:30] <ikhider> Well, I installed other things fine--it is audacity that is the issue for now--thus I will err on his side. But I will pass on the message to him
[02:30] <gniks> i put everything in one big partition for the most part
[02:30] <gniks> ikhider: some packages are pickier than others
[02:31] <ikhider> He needs to be put in his place
[02:31] <alisonken1lap> gniks: by keeping root small, it also tells me when the fs is getting hammered by someone using /tmp too much
[02:31] <ikhider> he goes by askhader, so you can jump him when he visits next
[02:31] <rworkman> Has he gone by "akshat" too?
[02:31] <gniks> thats true too.. i however am the only one that uses my stuff, and anything im not using for myself is monitored by cacti and other tools :p
[02:32] <ikhider> So you--this irc--is saying that I should try again with the temp output and it should work fine?
[02:32] <gniks> yes, don't modify anything just run the script
[02:32] <rworkman> ikhider: I'm saying that you should completely remove the existing directory that the audacity source is extracted to
[02:32] <alisonken1lap> ikhider: no - he was saying to clean out the sbo output directory so there's a clean slate before restarting the audacity build
[02:32] <rworkman> and start over
[02:32] <rworkman> Yes, what they said.
[02:33] <rworkman> Any of the above will do what I want. :)
[02:33] <gniks> don't the slackbuild scripts remove the source from the SBo directory uppon start?
[02:33] <ikhider> gniksHow do I do that?
[02:33] <rworkman> gniks: yes, hence my previous line
[02:33] <ikhider> oops gniks
[02:33] <gniks> just making sure i didn't miss something ;)
[02:34] <gniks> ikhider: at this point, just start completely over and download the files from SBo again
[02:34] <gniks> just don't change any of hte files this time :)
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[02:35] <ikhider> What are the detriments to changing the output?
[02:35] <gniks> just don't change anything right now
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[02:35] <gniks> make it build first
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[02:38] <alisonken1lap> possibly try sbopkg and see if a basic build helps?
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[02:39] <ikhider> gniks: I did it your way...exact.same.error.
[02:39] <ikhider> It is not an output issue, it is something else
[02:39] <ikhider> I will try the AlienBob route
[02:40] <gniks> rworkman: its all yours :)
[02:40] <gniks> ikhider: slackware 13.1 right?
[02:40] <ikhider> gniks: yep
[02:40] <alisonken1lap> I may have missed it, but 32 or 64-bit?
[02:40] <ikhider> 64
[02:40] <gniks> i dunno im stumped& unless there is something wrong with the linker on that machine :p
[02:41] <alisonken1lap> did you happen to install multilib setup (32-bit multilib on 64-bit slackware)??
[02:41] <gniks> maybe we should treat it like windows and reboot?
[02:41] <shonudo> lol
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[02:41] <alisonken1lap> ikhider: ^^
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[02:41] <ikhider> No, i tried installing on several different occassions
[02:42] <ikhider> So does alienBOB styles require a slackbuild?
[02:42] <alisonken1lap> ok - did you do a clean reinstall with 64-bit after the multilib fun?
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[02:44] <alisonken1lap> the other question would be "do you have more than 4G ram installed on this machine, or do you do massive amounts of number crunching programs?"
[02:44] <gniks> lulz
[02:45] <gniks> lets not get into that :) but he is installing audacity, that means audio, that means 64bit = good :)
[02:45] <alisonken1lap> eh - debatable
[02:45] <alisonken1lap> I used ardour and 32-bit works just fine with audio
[02:45] <gniks> debatable enough to keep it
[02:45] <gniks> well yes 32bit works fine
[02:45] <gniks> but 64bit works just a bit better in most audio processign cases
[02:46] <alisonken1lap> but only if you're working professionaly is it worth the hassles
[02:46] <gniks> either way, 64 vs 32 bit isn't the issue at hand, but why ld throws a fit :)
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[02:46] <alisonken1lap> that's a good question - but the possiblity is might also have borked multilib packages hanging around the system
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[02:47] <gniks> right, we are still waiting for him to answer that :P
[02:47] <gniks> and he shouldn't need multilib, im 64bit and not multilib and it works fine
[02:48] <alisonken1lap> gniks: multilib/32-bit  is pretty much needed if you want some things like working flash and/or skype (among other things)
[02:48] <gniks> i don't run skype, i do run flash though
[02:48] <gniks> not required
[02:48] <alisonken1lap> at least working flash that can access your webcam
[02:48] <gniks> there are firefox wrappers for 32bit plugins as well
[02:49] <alisonken1lap> but 32-bit  ff wrappers won't work with huludesktop :)
[02:49] <gniks> hehe yeah
[02:49] <Xgates> is /usr/share going to be common across all 13.1, meaning what someone has the other will, or certain apps get installed in there, depending on what you're doing?
[02:49] <gniks> thats why i just run mac for my media desktop
[02:50] <gniks> say what Xgates?
[02:50] <Xgates> the /path /usr/share is it the same on all versions 13.1, OR are there going to be differences in it depending on what you install?
[02:50] <alisonken1lap> . /usr/share should only be for things like shared icons/configs/etc - not for binary program parts
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[02:51] <gniks> right
[02:51] <Xgates> I don't remember what goes into /usr/share and I mucked up with a slackbuild and deleted by mistake
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[02:51] <alisonken1lap> those should be bit-size independent
[02:51] <Xgates> right what?
[02:51] <botnet> anyone know a reason why all my mpd clients wont play audio after a resume from suspend?
[02:51] <gniks> . /usr/share is for stuff that is shared among apps
[02:51] <alisonken1lap> . /usr/share is common
[02:52] <botnet> i restarted mpd, and the client connects, but it wont play. other audio applications work
[02:52] <Xgates> ok great can one of you guys PLEASE be kind who is running 13.1 x86 tar it for me and upload it?
[02:52] <Xgates> I killed mine by mistake
[02:52] <Xgates> :(
[02:52] <botnet> ncmpcpp just stays paused, sonata does the same...i also tried rc.alsa restart, with no change
[02:52] <alisonken1lap> Xgates: you did something like "rm -rf /usr/share" ?
[02:52] <botnet> trying to remove my snd module results in 'fatal module in use'
[02:53] <Xgates> I mucked up in a slackbuild that removed it
[02:53] <alisonken1lap> ah
[02:53] <alisonken1lap> Xgates: x86 - not x86_64 ?
[02:53] <Xgates> I'll never do that again
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[02:53] <Xgates> x86
[02:53] <Xgates> not x64
[02:53] <ikhider> with alienbob's thing--does one need anything else, or can one just do installpkg?
[02:54] <ikhider> I get this error with alienbob's stuff: audacity: error while loading shared libraries: libSoundTouch.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:55] <alisonken1lap> ikhider: you didn't read the notes on required dependencies :)
[02:55] <alisonken1lap> http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/audacity/pkg/13.1/audacity-1.3.12-i486-2alien.dep <-- lists other packages that are needed
[02:55] <ikhider> alisonken1lap: You mean all the dependencies I already installed? Do I have to install them again?
[02:55] <botnet> do you have soundtouch installed?
[02:56] <ikhider> botnet: yep
[02:56] <botnet> does your package contain libsoundTouch.so?
[02:56] <ikhider> botnet: You mean stuff could be missing?
[02:57] <ikhider> from the libsoundtouch repository?
[02:57] <Xgates> alisonken1lap: is /usr/share big or would be easy to tar and upload?
[02:57] <botnet> well, audacity is saying its not there, on my system, it is there
[02:58] <alisonken1lap> Xgates: on my fresh install of slack13.1, /usr/share is reporting around 2.2G uncompressed
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[02:58] <ikhider> Something is profoundly wrong. With my previous Slackware experiences, Audacity should not be this hard to install
[02:59] <gniks> wasn't hard for me :D
[02:59] <ikhider> Maybe it's a sign for me
[02:59] <Xgates> alisonken1lap: and what you'd have in there is going to be the same as what I would have?
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[03:01] <alisonken1lap> unless you added programs after the fact, /usr/share does have common stuff - mine is slack31.1 x86 with only a few extras that might be there, like kvirc
[03:01] <alisonken1lap> stock slack13.1 rather
[03:02] <ikhider> alisonken1lap: So I have to install s'more dependencies?
[03:02] <alisonken1lap> http://pastebin.ca/1905096 <-- list of my /usr/share
[03:03] <Xgates> alisonken1lap: do you have a fast pipe you could upload it somewhere for me? Cause without I'm dead LOL...
[03:03] <ikhider> Or maybe just wait until I find someone who understands my error
[03:03] <alisonken1lap> Xgates: still tar'ing
[03:03] <evil|bird> alisonken1lap, "mine is slack31.1" I wonder what version 31.1 will be like when it arrives. :P
[03:03] <alisonken1lap> eviljames: :)
[03:03] <evil|bird> tab fail
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[03:04] <Xgates> alisonken1lap: AHH MAN AWESOME I really appreciate it! :)
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[03:05] <alisonken1lap> Xgates: it's tarring as ./usr/share - so unpack from root as root, or if you want to check, then untar it into a spare directory to browse before moving to /usr/share
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[03:06] <Xgates> ok
[03:07] <alisonken1lap> Xgates: 894m tar file
[03:08] <Xgates> alisonken1lap: ok great THANKS man
[03:08] <alisonken1lap> be about 1/2 hour to get it up to where you can get it
[03:08] <Xgates> hey I forgot my basic vi cmds what's the one to start typing insert?
[03:08] <Xgates> ok
[03:08] <alisonken1lap> i insert in place, a append end of line
[03:08] <alisonken1lap> case is sensitive
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[03:09] <Xgates> ok closing without saving is>?
[03:10] <alisonken1lap> q!
[03:10] <Xgates> thanks
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[03:12] <Xgates> I thought :q saves it?
[03:12] <Xgates> or :w to write?
[03:13] <Xgates> yeah got that hehe
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[03:15] <Xgates> alisonken1lap: how do I delete characters?
[03:16] <gniks> backspace?
[03:16] <Xgates> in vi?
[03:16] <gniks> with insert movde
[03:16] <gniks> mode*
[03:16] <gniks> press i
[03:16] <gniks> :w saves :q quites :wq saves then quits
[03:16] <gniks> escape to get out of insert mode before you use the commands
[03:17] <Xgates> backspace doesn't do anything after pressing i
[03:17] <gniks> are you in insert mode?
[03:17] <gniks> should say INSERT at the bottom left
[03:17] <Xgates> isn't that i?
[03:17] <gniks> also, are you using real vim, or elvis vi which vi is linked to by default?
[03:17] <gniks> i means insert mode
[03:17] <Xgates> how?
[03:18] <Xgates> oh my bad I did press i but nothing happens
[03:18] <tank-man> x works too in command mode
[03:18] <alisonken1lap> Xgates: d<space> will delete a character D will delete to end of line dd will delete entire line
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[03:18] <Xgates> ok
[03:18] <alisonken1lap> from command mode
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[03:19] <Xgates> I don't know command mode sorry
[03:19] <alisonken1lap> Xgates: http://slackware/pub/
[03:20] <alisonken1lap> sorry - http://slackware.dreamhost.com/pub
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[03:20] <Xgates> I thought if I just open vi I can delete characters ---> vi file
[03:21] <alisonken1lap> Xgates: http://slackware.dreamhost.com/pub/usr-share-13.1-x86.1ken.tgz
[03:21] <Xgates> wow that was faster then 30 mins
[03:21] <Xgates> THANKS
[03:21] <alisonken1lap> I switched my laptop from wireless to the local wire :)
[03:21] <tank-man> vi has 2 modes, edit and command mode, press esc and you are in cmd mode
[03:23] <Xgates> alisonken1lap: I thought you said it was 894mb for the tar? This is only 60m
[03:25] <Xgates> alisonken1lap: the tar is bad :(
[03:25] <Xgates> gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
[03:25] <Xgates> tar: Unexpected EOF in archive
[03:28] <rworkman> $ md5sum usr-share-13.1-x86.1ken.tgz
[03:28] <rworkman> 76f0f444fad3184dbd5b76c9af912459  usr-share-13.1-x86.1ken.tgz
[03:28] <alisonken1lap> ok - let me try again
[03:28] <rworkman> It's fine
[03:28] <Xgates> 76f0f444fad3184dbd5b76c9af912459
[03:29] <alisonken1lap> 75d40c9a9db4502e274271c8f78f1a45
[03:29] <Xgates> yeah but it's not everything in /usr/share it's only 60mb big
[03:29] <alisonken1lap> yep - upload bad
[03:29] <rworkman> ah
[03:29] <Xgates> ok
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[03:29] <rworkman> Yep, it *just* errored out here
[03:29] <alisonken1lap> should be 894273910
[03:29] <alisonken1lap> size
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[03:30] <Xgates> ok so you got it tar but bad upload?
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[03:30] <rworkman> Wow.  It would be faster to just reinstall than download that.
[03:30] <Xgates> no way I got a bit installed here and customized up
[03:30] <rworkman> slackpkg reinstall slackware
[03:30] <rworkman> ^ should work
[03:30] <Xgates> I can't back up to my usb drive either cause of this otherwise I'd back it up and just reinstall
[03:31] <rworkman> slackpkg reinstall a ap d e f k l n t tcl x xap y   <-- better, cause it will certainly ignore kdei
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[03:32] <Xgates> well I did an expert install I didn't install everything
[03:32] <latemus> what version of libc does 13.0 use
[03:32] <latemus> glibc
[03:34] <alisonken1lap> ok - good upload this time
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[03:34] <alisonken1lap> try again - and there's an md5 file to verify
[03:35] <alisonken1lap> yep - and it's 853M
[03:38] <Xgates> it's ready again?
[03:38] <alisonken1lap> yep
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[03:38] <alisonken1lap> just verified
[03:38] <Xgates> ok THANKs
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[03:39] <Xgates> thank goodness you've got a FAST pipe :)
[03:39] <alisonken1lap> heh
[03:40] <alisonken1lap> helps that I'm at the noc - right across the room from the server
[03:40] <Xgates> me not so fast 6mb line
[03:40] <alisonken1lap> trure
[03:40] <Xgates> lol
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[03:43] <alisonken1lap> Xgates: that also includes the /usr/share stuff for kdei
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[03:45] <Xgates> ok I'll check it out
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[03:46] <Xgates> hey I thought the cmd in your baisc slackbuild to cd into the build direc was ---> cd $PRGNAM-$VERSION
[03:47] <Xgates> see here's the problem hellanzb is making a /usr/share/doc path that I wanted to delete in the slackbuild and foobared it up
[03:47] <Xgates> I've tried everything I know to cd to /build path
[03:47] <Xgates> cd $TMP
[03:47] <Xgates> cd $PKG
[03:47] <alisonken1lap> there's also a <prefix> for the build area
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[03:48] <Xgates> I thought it was just cd $PRGNAM-$VERSION
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[03:49] <Xgates> I thought this would accomplish what I want:
[03:49] <Xgates> cd $PRGNAM-$VERSION
[03:49] <Xgates> rm -rf /usr/share
[03:49] <alisonken1lap> oops - you forgot the ./ part of ./usr/share
[03:49] <alisonken1lap> :)
[03:50] <Xgates> ok
[03:50] <alisonken1lap> why did you want to delete the usr/share of the package build?
[03:51] <Xgates> cause it's making /usr/share/docs and /usr/docs
[03:51] <Xgates> LOL
[03:52] <Xgates> ok well I did this now:
[03:52] <Xgates> cd $PRGNAM-$VERSION
[03:52] <Xgates> rm -rf ./usr/share
[03:52] <Xgates> and it's still not deleting that path
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[03:54] <Xgates> cd $PRGNAM-$VERSION should put me like this? ---> /tmp/username/hellanzb-0.13 path?
[03:54] <gniks> think your missing $TMP/
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[03:55] <Xgates> oh cd $TMP $PRGNAM-$VERSION?
[03:55] <gniks> yeah
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[03:55] <alisonken1lap> don't hardcode /tmp - use $TMP
[03:55] <Xgates> ahhh ok I was playing with that before too but didn't know about the dot .
[03:55] <gniks> right
[03:55] <Xgates> thanks
[03:55] <alisonken1lap> actually, did you browse some other slackbuilds and see how they use $TMP, $PKG, $VERSION, etc.?
[03:56] <alisonken1lap> some of the approved slackbuilds that is?
[03:56] <gniks> most of them cd $TMP
[03:56] <Xgates> I'm using one I changed a little is all for hellanzb
[03:56] <gniks> and work from there
[03:56] <Xgates> I am
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[03:57] <Xgates> so here's what I got now and it didn't work:
[03:57] <Xgates> cd $TMP $PRGNAM-$VERSION
[03:57] <Xgates> rm -rf ./usr/share
[03:57] <Xgates> rm -rf ./usr/etc
[03:57] <Xgates> download done
[03:57] <gniks> cd $TMP/$PRGNAM-$VERSION
[03:57] <Xgates> ahhh ok
[03:59] <Xgates> nope not workign either
[03:59] <Xgates> errrr
[03:59] <gniks> does it return an error?
[04:00] <Xgates> nope
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[04:10] <Xgates> so should that work?
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[04:16] <Xgates> YEAH the box is working again thanks to alisonken1lap :)
[04:17] <alisonken1lap> glad to help
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[04:18] <Xgates> THANKS
[04:18] <Xgates> now if I can figure out this dang slackbuild how to remove those /paths
[04:19] <Xgates> everything I've tried isn't working
[04:19] <alisonken1lap> Xgates: check the "make install" in the makefile - that's usually where they're created
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[04:20] <Xgates> yeah but I'm talking about simply deleting the paths being made in the build directory is all and I should be able to do this
[04:20] <Xgates> this what I have right now
[04:20] <Xgates> cd $TMP/$PRGNAM-$VERSION
[04:20] <Xgates> rm -rf ./usr/share
[04:20] Channel flood from Xgates -- kicking
[04:20] <Xgates> rm -rf ./usr/etc
[04:20] Xgates kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood
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[04:20] <Xgates> hehe
[04:21] <Xgates> so it's just a simple matter of cd to the build path and rm -rf
[04:21] <Xgates> but I can't seem to get it
[04:21] <Xgates> errrrrrr
[04:21] <byteframe> Is the flood kick automagic?
[04:22] <Xgates> yepper automagic our butts
[04:22] <alisonken1lap> byteframe: sackboy is a bot
[04:22] <byteframe> alisonken1lap, and a sexy one at that,
[04:23] <Xgates> alisonken1lap: this is what I got, just your basic slackbuild --- http://pastebin.com/QyKaR9PT
[04:24] <Xgates> AHHH I think it's this:
[04:25] <Xgates> cd $TMP
[04:25] <Xgates> rm -rf $PRGNAM-$VERSION/usr/share
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[04:26] <Xgates> nope that didn't work too
[04:26] <Xgates> crap
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[04:28] <alisonken1lap> ah - it's using python setup.py - normal slackbuild rules do not apply
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[04:28] <Xgates> well it's still a basic slackbuild building in your typical build direc
[04:29] <Xgates> this works as a basic slack build cmd
[04:29] <Xgates> cd $TMP
[04:29] <Xgates> cat $PRGNAM-$VERSION/etc/hellanzb.conf.sample > $PKG/etc/hellanzb.conf.sample
[04:29] <Zordrak> Morn
[04:29] <Xgates> so if I can cd $TMP and cat  $PRGNAM-$VERSION
[04:29] <Xgates> why can't I cd $TMP and rm -rf  $PRGNAM-$VERSION ?
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[04:29] <Xgates> I don't get that
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[04:30] <slava_dp> y0
[04:30] <Xgates> y0 y0 y0
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[04:32] <stu_> wh4tsup y0
[04:32] <stu_> :/
[04:32] <stu_> has anyone tried installing xp over a linux pc and the cd won't start?
[04:32] <Xgates> AHHH cd $PKG maybe
[04:32] <Xgates> not 4TMP
[04:32] <Xgates> $TMP
[04:32] <byteframe> stu_, you want to remove linucks?
[04:33] <stu_> byteframe, dual boot, just got fedup of tweaking wine
[04:33] <byteframe> wine rocks.
[04:33] <byteframe> But, you will probably need to install xp first, on first partition.
[04:33] <stu_> i did that, deleted whole partition, etc. but the cd just won't start
[04:33] <byteframe> And then linux afterwards. Is easiest way, if I recall.
[04:33] <byteframe> That's odd. Check bios.
[04:33] <Xgates> yeah that's right $PKG is where the building is going on, that's got to work
[04:33] <s_eraph> hi there. I've got a problem. My Slackware won't connect to the internet, even though I installed even the hardware driver package of the ethernet adapter. can anybody help me?
[04:34] <stu_> i get this x0000007B error and windows is stopped to prevent further damage blabla
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[04:34] <Zordrak> stu_: #windows is the place for that question.
[04:34] <Zordrak> We just don't know.
[04:34] <stu_> nvm i kinda gave up anyways
[04:34] <byteframe> eww theres a windows channel?
[04:34] <stu_> slack is much easier
[04:35] <alisonken1lap> Xgates: since you're installing a python package, use the python setup.py --install root=$PKG <-- see where it got installed to?
[04:35] <Xgates> YES FINALLY I GOT IT
[04:35] <Xgates> LOL
[04:35] <slava_dp> s_eraph, you've installed a driver for your ethernet adapter? which driver?
[04:35] <Xgates> cd $PKG
[04:36] <Xgates> rm -rf ./usr/share
[04:36] <Xgates> rm -rf ./usr/etc
[04:36] <s_eraph> realtek DL-8xxx
[04:36] <Xgates> :)
[04:36] <Xgates> it was to DAMM $PKG what a bonehead I am
[04:36] <Xgates> LOL
[04:36] <slava_dp> /usr/etc. wtf.
[04:37] <surrounder> what's wrong with /usr/etc ?
[04:38] <surrounder> hmm well, /usr/local/etc makes more sense
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[04:38] <Xgates> cause simply /etc is more a default to use for config files
[04:38] <surrounder> in linux
[04:38] <Xgates> I'd rather just use /etc
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[04:40] <slava_dp> guys, I was just thinking, I think there's an easy way to log one's LUKS passphrase. While the person is away, an evildoer can edit his initrd and make it start his script, that will ask for the passphrase, netcat it to another (listening) box, and then pass the passphrase to the real cryptsetup. what do you think about this scenario?
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[04:41] <m3tti> anyone else has problems with resume after suspend? My hd sometimes doesn't come back properly
[04:41] <byteframe> m3tti, how so?
[04:42] <s_eraph> what does ist mean, when there comes a "could not find XML-File" when going to network configuration?
[04:42] <slava_dp> m3tti, I do, after hibernate: 1) the screen sometimes is off 2) sometimes I can't start any new programs, I get an error, have to reboot.  as for suspend, it doesn't work reliably at all, the laptop can't bring up the HDD too.
[04:43] <m3tti> slava_dp: that's my failure too.
[04:43] <slava_dp> s_eraph, in slackware, kde does not support network configuration. try wicd, available in extra/ on the slackware dvd.
[04:44] <s_eraph> thanks slava. i'll try.
[04:44] <slava_dp> s_eraph, or 'slackpkg install wicd'
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[04:44] <m3tti> but i don't know why it's so seldom
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[04:45] <slava_dp> m3tti, my laptop is acer travelmate, core2duo-based. what's yours?
[04:46] <m3tti> i think it's because of ext4 and that writing thing. Ext4 only writes after 5secs or so? maybe if you close the lid exactly in that 5sec it breaks down?
[04:46] <slava_dp> I was thinking I should try tuxonice, but never found the time.
[04:46] <m3tti> whats that
[04:47] <slava_dp> an alternative linux suspend system.
[04:48] <m3tti> i'll have a look
[04:48] <slava_dp> it needs some integration work.
[04:52] <m3tti> my idea was crap it because of the acpi can't resume properly
[04:52] <slava_dp> did you dig some info?
[04:53] <m3tti> for what tuxonice
[04:53] <m3tti> ?
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[04:53] <slava_dp> no, for our suspend problem :)
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[04:54] <m3tti> only the log
[04:54] <m3tti> that'S the only info i have
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[04:55] <slava_dp> my laptop ran slack 12.2 previously, and I had reliable hibernate. my uptime was close to 250 days at the end :) but I never had a reliable suspend.
[04:55] <slava_dp> s/at the end/in the end/
[04:57] <m3tti> i'm running slack 13.1 and everything works just fine only the damn suspend XD sometimes
[04:57] <slava_dp> I should try tuxonice.
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[05:00] <byteframe> m3tti, xfce or kde?
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[05:00] <m3tti> also it could be that it doesn't recognize the battery after resume and because of that it stuck. Because the acpi error says couldn't find battery
[05:00] <m3tti> byteframe: kde
[05:00] <m3tti> slack64
[05:00] <byteframe> m3tti, you might try running pm-suspend manually.
[05:01] <byteframe> Error output would be mighty helpful.
[05:01] <m3tti> do i have to do that this way :'(
[05:01] <jareth_>  
[05:02] <m3tti> ACPI Exception: AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] (20091214/evregion-475)
[05:02] <m3tti> ACPI Error (psparse-0537): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT1._BST] (Node ffff88006f811460), AE_TIME
[05:02] <m3tti> ACPI: EC: input buffer is not empty, aborting transaction
[05:02] <m3tti> thats it
[05:02] <slava_dp> m3tti, I have the parse/execution failed message too. but not others.
[05:03] <m3tti> http://anabee.soup.io/post/66337116/via-The-Daily-What <- lol XD
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[05:17] <g4tsu> Hi
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[05:19] <g4tsu> Is somebody already have a backlightning problem with a Intel GM4500 ?
[05:23] <byteframe> g4tsu, from bootup?
[05:24] <g4tsu> byteframe, it starts "well", become darker and when I type startx become lighter
[05:24] <slava_dp> KMS
[05:24] <byteframe> Whoa, that sounds crazy.
[05:24] <adrien> my backlight changing works during bios post, lilo (I think), then doesn't work anymore and only works again after udev starts :P
[05:24] <byteframe> KMS was my thought.
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[05:24] <adrien> but the bios has some automatic control on it
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[05:26] <g4tsu> KMS ?
[05:26] <adrien> kernel-mode setting, meaning the kernel has the ability to set video modes (it can change resolution for instance)
[05:26] <adrien> before that, only X could
[05:27] <g4tsu> How to change it ?
[05:27] <adrien> KMS is good
[05:27] <adrien> check in your bios if there's a setting about that
[05:28] <g4tsu> there is nothing in the bios
[05:28] <g4tsu> (first thing I see)
[05:28] <adrien> nothing about screen powersaving?
[05:28] <adrien> also, tried the key to turn backlight on/off
[05:29] <g4tsu> already done
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[05:30] <adrien> if you startx then quit X, backlight stays ok?
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[05:34] <g4tsu> adrien, no..
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[05:35] <byteframe> Is it called 'multilib' when you install the 32 bit libraries on 64bit?
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[05:38] <m3tti> what's about updateing slackware? never done that. Is it straight forward ??
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[05:39] <Roin> UPGRADE.TXT tells you how to do it me thinks
[05:39] <Roin> otherwise: slackpkg upgrade slackpkg and slackpkg upgrade-all could do the trick as well ._.
[05:40] Action: Roin usually does a fresh install anyway
[05:40] <m3tti> ok thanx
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[05:40] <_RadioHead> i use usualy UPGRADE.TXT rsync -current and upgrade things :)
[05:40] <m3tti> because i've many customizations
[05:41] <Roin> Zordack showed me a script to download a whole slackware mirror, quite usefull I think
[05:42] <m3tti> that's easy to be rewritten
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[05:42] <m3tti> i think maybe i'll give it a try XD
[05:42] <Roin> onbe sec I'll give you the link
[05:42] <Roin> it also creates ISO's for you
[05:42] <m3tti> ok that isn't very easy XD
[05:43] <m3tti> i was thinking of that because i like slackware very much but don't know how to update to a newer version i was a everyday distrohopper
[05:43] <Roin> m3tti: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/local-slackware-mirror/
[05:44] <m3tti> good old alienbob stuff XD
[05:44] <Roin> m3tti: well I somehow prefer a fresh install, since a fresh install somehow feels better to me xD
[05:45] <m3tti> that's right but i've many packages right now i've to install
[05:45] <m3tti> after a fresh install
[05:45] <Roin> Yeah
[05:46] <latemus> what do you all use to view pdfs?
[05:46] <Roin> evince ._.
[05:46] <m3tti> okular XD
[05:46] <surrounder> xpdf
[05:47] <m3tti> emacs doc-view
[05:47] <latemus> thanks. :D
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[05:48] <m3tti> oh my gosh that takes quite a while to compile XD
[05:48] <m3tti> http://www.mixxx.org/
[05:50] <adrien> apvlv :P
[05:51] <Roin> try to compile xulrunner ._.
[05:51] <m3tti> omg have used gentoo before a long time i hate xulrunner
[05:51] <m3tti> XD
[05:51] <m3tti> it has to be rebuilde everytime XD
[05:52] <Roin> needed to install it to make eclipse work ^^'
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[05:56] <foobarz> the script that rsyncs the mirrors and makes isos is nice, I use it... and a edited one that skips making the isos, then set slackpkg to use my local mirror
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[05:58] <foobarz> then since I run multilib and had to make a little script to check which compat32 packages are matching the install 64b packages
[05:58] <foobarz> are not, I mean
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[06:01] <foobarz> I was going to maybe code my script more, so that after if finds compat32 packages that need upgrading, it would also go ahead in run convertpkg-compat32 on them install the result etc
[06:02] <foobarz> I keep a local mirror of slackware 32bit also it could get packages from
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[06:04] <samfisher> Hello. I took the 13.1 DVD and copied all it's content to a dir so I could strip packages down for a mini-slack
[06:05] <samfisher> My question is, how could I install from this dir structure?
[06:05] <samfisher> I already have slack 11 on the target machine and I'm planning on having the install source dir on a USB thumbdrive
[06:06] <foobarz> this is my little script to check which compat32 packages I need to upgrade, after I upgrade 64bit packages:  http://pastebin.com/ujcW2TG2
[06:06] <sahko> samfisher: installpkg dir/*.t?z
[06:07] <sahko> most are txz's but theres are least 2 tgz's
[06:07] <samfisher> sahko: won't that install the packages on slack 11?
[06:07] <samfisher> I want to upgrade to 13.1, a clean install if possible (hdd is only 4GB)
[06:07] <sahko> you can also define --root. see the manpage
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[06:08] <m3tti> slackware reminds me everytime of freebsd
[06:08] <samfisher> i don't have internet access but i plan on keeping N tree, the machine will be mostly for learning, reading manpages and bash scripting
[06:09] <m3tti> samfisher: do you need X
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[06:09] <samfisher> well, if I plan on reading pdfs yes. also i wanna get rid of win98
[06:10] <samfisher> it's an old p3 box
[06:10] <sahko> you can read pdf's with poppler too
[06:10] <sahko> in cli
[06:10] <sahko> i dont think its possible to see pics and diagrams though. just text
[06:11] <m3tti> samfisher: than i think you have to install everything except kde and kdei
[06:11] <m3tti> than you have a great solid base
[06:11] <sahko> but you can convert them to html with pdftohtml
[06:13] <samfisher> m3tti:  yes. also E, T TCL, and K
[06:14] <samfisher> sahko: is that a win32 app?
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[06:15] <slava_dp> pdftotext is also nice
[06:15] <sahko> samfisher: poppler? no its what xpdf uses underneath. this has been extracted to a seperate lib to be used by other programs. its a freedesktop project
[06:16] <sahko> poppler includes pdftotext, pdftohtml etc
[06:16] <raela> pdfdog also does pdfs without gui :P using pdftotext and dialogue I believe
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[06:17] <ganeshix> hi all
[06:18] <MLanden> heya
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[06:22] <foobarz> the ncurses package is not the same build numbers in slackware and slackware64
[06:24] <sahko> foobarz: and?
[06:25] <foobarz> it is the only package that I notice is that way, and the two distros are supposed to be matching
[06:25] <Punker> hey
[06:26] <sahko> foobarz: the 64bit package was last modified on 23rd may 2009, while the 32bit on feb 2009. maybe it was rebuilt internally before the 64bit port was made public.
[06:26] <sahko> hadnt noticed either
[06:26] <alienBOB> foobarz: ncurses on x86_64 had to be recompiled right after we uncovered slackware64
[06:26] <sahko> ah, inside info^
[06:27] <alienBOB> The nvidia binary installer had issues which we solved with fred's input
[06:27] <samfisher> nice, i solved the pdf problem. but it still remains the installation one. how will I install it from slack11?
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[06:31] <foobarz> oh... glad it is fixed, I use the nvidia binary installer every time I do anything with my kernel
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[06:43] <SOUL_OF_R00T> hello to all
[06:44] <MLanden> heya
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[06:47] <foobarz> freetype ttf bytecode interpretter... is it enabled in slackware already?
[06:48] <sahko> not yet
[06:48] <XGizzmo> no
[06:48] <alienBOB> No, Pat is experimenting with it to see if it is worth the recompile
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[06:49] <foobarz> nice... I have to say, my fonts are looking very readable already, but I am curious about the difference
[06:49] <alienBOB> So far, it looks like the default TTF fonts in Slackware look worse with the bytecode interpreter enabled
[06:49] <sahko> new freetype versions will have that enabled  by default
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[06:54] <foobarz> I am using "Monospace 14" in kde for everything and 12 size for the "Small" font, "RGB" subpixel rendering anti-aliasing enabled, hinting style is "Full", and the "sharpness" control on my monitor set to 0 (minimal).
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[06:59] <Zordrak> FFS. my xp vm wont bot.. just BSOD
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[07:00] <adrien>  \o/
[07:00] <adrien> with windows, -snapshot in qemu :-)
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[07:01] <Zordrak> i did have a snapshot, but reverting to it didnt work
[07:01] <Zordrak> i think thi vdi might be corrupt
[07:02] <Zordrak> doing a chkdsk
[07:02] <adrien> I believe that we'll understand windows bugs only after we've turned quantum physics into something deterministic :-)
[07:03] <MLanden> Zordrak: was your install doing an windows update?
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[07:05] <foobarz> LCD monitors can seriously screw up the look of fonts with the sharpness control and possibly any "edge enhancement" feature. I couldn't believe the mess those things made on my screen.
[07:05] <adrien> not lcd screens, anti-aliasing and hinting
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[07:12] <foobarz> on my screen which is TV, if I turn the sharpness control to default setting (which is like at 95/100, almost at max) I get a weird effect around my fonts that looks like a transparent outline or shadow... for a while I thought it was software and when I figured it out I realized I am stupid
[07:14] <MLanden> foobarz: What's the resolution set at?
[07:16] <foobarz> MLanden: the native resolution of the 40" LCD TV.... 1920x1080 60Hz
[07:16] <MLanden> foobarz: ok
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[07:18] <adrien> foobarz: plasma?
[07:18] <foobarz> MLanden: dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (903x508 millimeters) [xdpyinfo]..... DPI set to (54, 54); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config
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[07:18] <foobarz> adrien: LED-LCD
[07:18] <adrien> foobarz: and are a few pixels missing around your screen?
[07:19] <MLanden> foobarz: vga or hdmi connection?
[07:20] <foobarz> adrien: no... in the TV settings with the remote control, I set it "Size: Screen Fit" and the image on screen is exact to the edges every pixel is visible
[07:20] <foobarz> MLanden: HDMI, and the audio is working too
[07:21] <adrien> hmmm, ok
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[07:25] <MLanden> foobarz: On "Size:Screen Fit"...if you don't set the tv to that,what are the results?
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[07:28] <foobarz> MLanden: Size can be: Screen Fit|16:9|Wide Zoom|4:3  ... in 16:9 I lose the edges all around the screen (the image is like overscanned and cropped beyond the screen
[07:29] <foobarz> and option is just Zoom
[07:29] <foobarz> another option,  I mean
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[07:33] <foobarz> without that "Screen Fit" option, it would be a disaster
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[07:33] <MLanden> foobarz: ok....hmmm, maybe subpixel smoothing/hinting might correct it
[07:33] <foobarz> with it, the image is like any LCD computer monitor, pixel perfect even tho it is a TV
[07:34] <foobarz> I'm not having any problem with it now.
[07:34] <foobarz> It looks perfect, awesome.
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[07:37] <MLanden> foobarz: awesome
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[08:17] <m3tti> woho mixxx works with my second soundcard XD
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[08:22] <vldmr> please... do somebody send me a link with .txz of latest kernel 2.6.34.1 ?
[08:23] <vldmr> x86_64
[08:23] <vldmr> ???
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[08:24] <m3tti> try to serch in the current dir of your slackware mirror of choice
[08:25] <ut> that'd be 2.6.33.4
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[08:25] <KaMii> uh.... so my computer froze up on screensaver, I tried to ssh into it, but it reported connection refused, so I ran nmap, it reported strange error, so I rebooted, when it came back onlie i thought it was going to fsck that drive, but it didnt, now i cannot reboot or run any commands
[08:25] <lamah> how can i delete a symbols in 'vi' ?
[08:25] <KaMii> they whole thing is borked
[08:26] <m3tti> lamah: d and direction
[08:26] <ut> my dad's computer's motherboard died in a storm and he couldn't boot it up
[08:26] <vldmr> kernel... kernel... kernel
[08:26] <KaMii> ya, but.. no if its bad, im mad
[08:26] <KaMii> at least i have a backupt
[08:26] <m3tti> vldmr: can't find the new kernel is it 2.6.34.1
[08:26] <lamah> m3tti: thanks
[08:26] <KaMii> but, so just turn to power off again, and boot with cd
[08:27] <m3tti> lamah: np
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[08:27] <m3tti> vldmr: ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/slackware/slackware64-current/slackware64/k/ that's the current one
[08:28] <vldmr> m3tti: do you have AMD set computer ?
[08:28] <m3tti> no it's intel 64bit
[08:29] <vldmr> m3tti: I need 2.6.34.1 kernel
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[08:30] <m3tti> an offical slackware build vldmr ???
[08:30] <alienBOB> vldmr: there is no Slackware package for that kernel version. You will have to create one yourself
[08:30] <vldmr> alienBOB: I believe you
[08:30] <vldmr> X;(
[08:30] <vldmr> X:)
[08:31] <m3tti> vldmr: you could use the slackware .config file for the kernel
[08:32] <m3tti> do anybody know why slax is still using kde 3.5
[08:32] <vldmr> m3tti: yeah... but we have a new release of 2.6 kernel
[08:32] <vldmr> no much... but significant changes
[08:33] <m3tti> i would love to have a slackware livecd which could install the general slackware distro
[08:33] <KaMii> looks like i lost the HD
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[08:34] <adrien> you're probably in an emergency shell or something like that
[08:34] <adrien> ext3 or ext4?
[08:34] <KaMii> booted from disk,
[08:34] <KaMii> fdisk /dev/sda
[08:34] <KaMii> unable to read drive
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[08:34] <adrien> what does dmesg say?
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[08:35] <KaMii> fsck superblock invalid
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[08:35] <KaMii> i have 2 partitions on that drive, one is ext2 the other is swap
[08:35] <adrien> can you pastebin your dmesg?
[08:35] <KaMii> no
[08:36] <KaMii> im on bootdisk right now
[08:36] <m3tti> where the hell is my usb stick
[08:36] <adrien> check if there are "ata errors" or something like that
[08:36] <adrien> if not, at least it's not physically damaged
[08:36] <adrien> then use dd to make a backup
[08:36] <adrien> then copy that backup again ;-)
[08:37] <KaMii> yes there are ata errors
[08:37] <trhodes> oh noes!
[08:37] <MLanden> m3tti: besides mixx...there's also loopdub(loop manipulation) http://loopdub.sourceforge.net/ saw it mentioned on sourceforge
[08:37] <adrien> hmmmm, any valuable data since the last backup?
[08:37] <KaMii> I fully backed up the other day
[08:37] <KaMii> so im good
[08:38] <m3tti> MLanden: looks nice
[08:38] <KaMii> just, i never did backup all of my xfce4 settings
[08:38] <KaMii> blah
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[08:38] <adrien> KaMii: you have the /dev/sd* entry?
[08:38] <KaMii> but my personal files and everything is good
[08:38] <KaMii> /dev/sdb
[08:39] <KaMii> i think ext2 is /dev/sdb2
[08:39] <KaMii> and i think swap is sdb1
[08:39] <adrien> if you want, you can try ddrescue but it might take some time (however, if you're looking for experience in hard drive (data) "rescuing", it'll be a good exercice)
[08:39] <m3tti> MLanden: that is only a deb do i have to use alien or something like this
[08:40] <KaMii> will i lose data with ddrescue?
[08:40] <MLanden> m3tti: check sourceforge..should be a tarball there
[08:40] <adrien> KaMii: well, if your disk is dead, you can't really lose more data...
[08:41] <KaMii> haha true
[08:41] <adrien> ddrescue is designed to salvage as much data as possible
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[08:41] <KaMii> um ddrescue command not found
[08:41] <adrien> basically, if you had a chunk of the disk that is dead, dd will hammer it, ddrescue will skip it and continue, and eventually come back
[08:41] <gbonvehi> it's not included by default
[08:41] <adrien> the idea is that hammering will only make things worse if your disk is almost dead
[08:42] <KaMii> im only on with the bootdisk
[08:42] <alisonken1lap> KaMii: ddrescue is on live cd's/bootdisks
[08:42] <adrien> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/system/ddrescue/
[08:42] <KaMii> so how can I run a program like that
[08:42] <adrien> KaMii: which architecture?
[08:42] <KaMii> i booted up with slack 12.2 disk 1
[08:42] <KaMii> thats all I have
[08:42] <KaMii> well I do have an openSUSE live cd
[08:44] <adrien> howto: http://www.linuxleo.com/Docs/linuxintro-LEFE-3.78.pdf , page 113 and on
[08:44] <adrien> KaMii: I mean: x86, x86_64, ppc, arm?
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[08:47] <m3tti> i like the way how to create slackware packages
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[08:47] <KaMii> x86
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[08:50] <KaMii> im going to boot with backtrack 4
[08:50] <KaMii> and see if I can run ddrescue
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[08:50] <slava_dp> systemrescuecd has all the tools.
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[08:53] <m3tti> use systemrescue cd XD
[08:53] <m3tti> or parted magic
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[08:57] <foobarz> I tried to use ddrescue (with ncat) on a disk that was getting failed sector reads, but ddrescue would go really slow and it never was able to finish
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[08:58] <adrien> foobarz: depends on the disk health
[08:58] <KaMii> 3 hours to download systemrescucd????
[08:59] <KaMii> what is this, the slowest server on the net?
[08:59] <adrien> rule 1: cool, maybe cold, sometimes even frozen (watch out for condensation however)
[08:59] <adrien> KaMii: link?
[08:59] <adrien> KaMii: and where do you live?
[08:59] <KaMii> systemrescucd.org
[08:59] <KaMii> i live in sweden where most of us (I am) on fiber
[09:00] <adrien> link doesn't work for me ;p
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[09:01] <alisonken1lap> http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page <-- page loads slow for me
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[09:01] <alisonken1lap> they may be getting hit
[09:01] <slava_dp> instantly for me
[09:01] <alisonken1lap> KaMii: it's sysrescd.org - not systemrescucd.org
[09:02] <alisonken1lap> sysresccd.org rather
[09:02] <adrien> which arch? x86 or sparc?
[09:02] <KaMii> x86
[09:02] <KaMii> idk the file is on sourceforge
[09:02] <KaMii> and sourceforge is never slow for me
[09:02] <alisonken1lap> sourceforge is usually pretty good
[09:02] <adrien> tried another mirror?
[09:03] <KaMii> there are no mirrors
[09:03] <alisonken1lap> seems reasonable to me - less than 10 minutes
[09:03] <adrien> 3 minutes =)
[09:03] <slava_dp> there are mirrors on sourceforge
[09:03] <slava_dp> plenty of them
[09:04] <alisonken1lap> http://sourceforge.net/projects/systemrescuecd/files/sysresccd-x86/1.5.8/systemrescuecd-x86-1.5.8.iso/download <-- mirror select page for sysrescuecd
[09:05] <alisonken1lap> click on the "mirrors" link (small print below the "... download will start shortly .." note
[09:05] <adrien> if you don't get a faster mirror, tell me
[09:06] <KaMii> yay, found a mirror
[09:06] <KaMii> using the Swedish one
[09:06] <adrien> faster?
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[09:21] <KaMii> i dont think cdrecord can use my cdrom drive
[09:21] <KaMii> goddamit
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[09:24] <arfon> Hi
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[09:28] <rachael> Gaaaaaaaaa 3.6.7 firefox and my poor box had just finsihed compiling 3.6.6
[09:28] <sahko> on gentoo?
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[09:29] <Zordrak> rachael: compiling? firefox?
[09:29] <MLanden> rachael: thanks for the headsup
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[09:30] <rachael> Zordrak: slackintosh
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[09:30] <Zordrak> rachael: still, isnt it just a repackage rather than a compile.. unless youre on the one thats branded differently (dont recall the name OTTOMH)
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[09:31] <rachael> Zordrak: no, there aint any officel ppc version to download of it
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[09:31] <rachael> they only support ppc osx, all the linux packaes is x86
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[09:31] <rachael> one could get the perverted version debian is offering I suppose
[09:31] <iceheart> hello guys, i can't mount my root and fsck don't work, do you have a solution?
[09:32] <arfon> Rachael, how old is your machine?
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[09:32] <rachael> arfon: only have it on a 800mhz g4 havent gotten it installed on my dual g5 yet
[09:33] <iceheart> last time, my computer power off without expect
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[09:33] <arfon> Ah...
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[09:33] <Xgates> hey guys
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[09:33] <Xgates> say I forgot how do you mount a usb drive as a user?
[09:33] <sahko> rachael: you could split the source to xulrunner + firefox packages and avoid building both in each release. only when xulrunner has changed. it takes much less to compile firefox that way
[09:33] <sahko> like a minute or so
[09:33] <KaMii> how fast is firefox running on slackintosh?
[09:34] <Xgates> I'm in /etc/group/plugdev
[09:34] <KaMii> i was thinking abut compiling it also
[09:34] <KaMii> but dont want to if its slow
[09:34] <arfon> iceheart, can you boot your system with a live distro (like Slax) and read the data?
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[09:34] <sahko> Xgates: using a file manager that supports it, it should automount
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[09:34] <iceheart> i have a dvd distro (slackware 13.1)
[09:35] <sahko> if you dont use a file manager like that, you cant, unless you use something like pmount
[09:35] <Xgates> I need to mount it from the cli for now
[09:35] <sahko> only as root
[09:35] <iceheart> but i can't  fsck root arfon
[09:35] <sahko> (by default)
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[09:35] <rachael> lets see if they have fixed the code so one can use those out of process plugins and tags under linuxpcc, was lacking atomic operations code in the 3.6.6 to enable that
[09:35] <sahko> brb
[09:35] <Xgates> I thought a user can mount a usb drive
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[09:36] <arfon> icehouse, the first thing you need to determine is, is your fs still there and not totally corrupted.
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[09:37] <KaMii> i cant figure out how to get cdrecord to work, the man page is confusing me
[09:37] <KaMii> cdrecord dev=help
[09:37] <KaMii> what am i looking for exactly?
[09:37] <Xgates> ok well I mounted it as root but then how can I as a user gain access I'm getting permission denied
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[09:38] <arfon> Iceheart, I cant remember but, I THINK  you can boot from the DVD and run fsck from there.
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[09:39] <KaMii> remember that SATA port problem I was having... i dont think it was the port, i think it was the drive dying
[09:40] <Administrator_> arfon, i think it is corrupted
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[09:41] <Administrator_> arfon,  this is dmesg: JBD failed to read block at offset 7028
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[09:43] <arfon> If it's corrupted, I wish you luck.
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[09:43] <Xgates> after I mount a usb drive as root from the cli how can I access it as a user?
[09:44] <iceheart> what can i do? arfon
[09:44] <iceheart> i don't want to reinstall system
[09:45] <arfon> If it were me, I'd boot from a CD (your slack DVD or Slax, or etc) and see if I could mount the fs.  If it barfs, I'd try and run fsck on it. If that fails, I'd wipe the disk and re-install everything and chalk up my data loss to a "I should keep backups" learning experience.
[09:45] <arfon> But, that's me
[09:47] <rachael> real men dont keep backups, they cry alot ?
[09:47] <surrounder> lol
[09:48] <nachox> Xgates, cant
[09:48] <arfon> Ow, says the man who thinks his only 1TB drive went bad this weekend (with no backup)
[09:49] <nachox> Xgates, unless you use fmask and dmask to change the default permissions
[09:49] <nachox> those are mount options btw
[09:49] <iceheart> it sad enough i think :P
[09:50] <Xgates> ok
[09:50] <arfon> Sorry Ice.
[09:50] <arfon> I have HEARD of these miracle Linux FS recovery tools but have never seen one that works
[09:51] <iceheart> what?
[09:51] <sahko> arfon: have you ever tried any?
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[09:52] <arfon> Yes.
[09:52] <sahko> which?
[09:53] <arfon> I can't remember, when they didn't work, I dumped them and forgot about them
[09:53] <iceheart> thanks, arfon
[09:53] <arfon> Do you know of one that actually recovers dtat from a corruped FS (not including fsck)?
[09:54] <Skywise> i've had some that let you recover data, but none that repaired the damaged drive
[09:54] <Skywise> and then alot of times you'd only get the first block in the chain
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[09:54] <arfon> Which ones, I'd love to try them out
[09:54] <Skywise> they're on the techie's toolkit cd, like getdata back
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[09:56] <Skywise> and drive rescue did a good  job at finding back up copies of the fat, but no facility to repair a drive
[09:56] <arfon> Any others?
[09:56] <Skywise> no, most others don't do squat
[09:56] <arfon> Not FAT tools ext recovery
[09:56] <Skywise> i wish there was a modern version of norton utilities
[09:56] <Skywise> yeah i know
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[09:57] <Skywise> there aren't much better tools the what comes already
[09:57] <slava_dp> photorec can find files by signatures
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[09:57] <Skywise> for some reason alternate superblocks don't seem to be of much use
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[09:58] <sahko> theres also foremost
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[09:59] <arfon> What tools actually work on a corrupted Ext FS?
[10:00] <ananke> arfon: fsck
[10:00] <Skywise> if fsck -y doesn't work i'm out of options
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[10:02] <arfon> Yeah, that's what I'm saying...  I haven't found any data recovery tools that work on corrupted ext fs's except fsck.
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[10:03] <g4tsu> somebody could tell me what is the vga= in the default lilo.conf in slackware ?
[10:03] <ananke> g4tsu: framebuffer setting
[10:03] <arfon> I mean other than mkfs.ext /dev/sdx1; cp /dev/backupdrive/* /dev/sdx1
[10:03] <Skywise> vga=normal
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[10:04] <Skywise> yeah, i don't know of a good bare iron back up tool
[10:04] <Skywise> i typically just back up user data
[10:04] <Skywise> and restore to a fresh install
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[10:05] <arfon> yep /home/* and /root are all I backup
[10:05] <rachael> not /etc ?
[10:05] <Skywise> eh
[10:05] <arfon> ..and the only reason I backup /root is because I save my SBo packages there
[10:05] <arfon> real men don't back up etc
[10:05] <Skywise> i rarely have to do much customization of /etc/ anymore
[10:05] <SpacePlod> *sometimes* you can get decent results with dumpe2fs and fsck'ing or mounting with an alternate superblock.  It fully depends on the extent of the damage.
[10:06] <Skywise> to be honest once i do the network setup thats about it
[10:06] <Skywise> i keep my conf files with my applications
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[10:07] <Skywise> i should dump my ldap databases come to think of it
[10:07] <g4tsu> ananke, I want the line that is in lilo.conf by default
[10:08] <Skywise> g4tsu, vga=normal
[10:08] <arfon> Sky, I'm curious, why do you use ldap?
[10:08] <Skywise> it was a bad time in my life and i made quite a few regrettable choices
[10:08] <arfon> funny man
[10:09] <g4tsu> Skywise, ok
[10:09] <g4tsu> because I have a backlightning problem on my desktop
[10:09] <arfon> What was your reasoning when you did it?  Large extened family?
[10:09] <Skywise> it was for managing users across different web applications and services
[10:09] <Skywise> i didn't wanna use kerberos cause it seemed baroque
[10:09] <g4tsu> It boots with a good lightning, become darker and when X is started, comme back lighter
[10:09] <Skywise> and most apps have ldap support built in
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[10:10] <arfon> So you wanted it for authenication across a bunch of machine or you have a lot of user?
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[10:11] <Skywise> both, i have users from different clients and domains i support simulataneously
[10:11] <arfon> Ah
[10:11] <arfon> <--thinking in "at home" terms
[10:11] <Skywise> so they can use ldap for  both their address books and authentication
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[10:12] <Skywise> the only thing i need to do is to make sure everything can use the same elements
[10:13] <Skywise> ldap schemas are crazy
[10:14] <Skywise> the standard is so flexible you practically earn a phd figuring out how to merge them
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[10:15] <Skywise> for home use, you could use it for email addresses, but it would be alot of extra trouble
[10:15] <arfon> Blech, I just lost a T3 to a district... brb
[10:15] <Skywise> yow
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[10:17] <g4tsu> is somebody already have a backlightning problem on his laptop ? (apologies for my bad english, i'm french)
[10:18] <Skywise> are you sure its not a power saving issue?
[10:18] <Skywise> that you get a dim screen when using battery power?
[10:18] <g4tsu> sure
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[10:19] <g4tsu> it becomes darker at the middle of the boot
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[10:19] <g4tsu> and good when starting X
[10:19] <g4tsu> I've got an Intel GM4500
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[10:20] <Xgates> hey guys
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[10:21] <endtell> anyone happen to have a gigabyte   k8vm800  chipset motherboard from hell      ?
[10:21] <Xgates> say with changing perms on direcs and files -R how can I get the correct number on the direcs, what's that 755, and the files 644?
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[10:22] <Xgates> you know doing a whole direc and subs....
[10:22] <sahko> wtf is a direc?
[10:22] <g4tsu> I've got the same problem when launching gxine
[10:22] <Xgates> directory
[10:23] <sahko> oh
[10:23] <slava_dp> Xgates, learn find.
[10:23] <Xgates> I copied to my usb drive and the perms have changed
[10:23] <slava_dp> Xgates, http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind
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[10:24] <trhodes> nice wiki
[10:25] <slava_dp> #bash channel official
[10:25] <Xgates> won't load for me anyhow 4am haven't slept if somone can be kind enough to tell me how to do chmod -R on a complete sets of direcs and files at 644 I'd be happy :p
[10:26] <slava_dp> yeah, it's pretty slow now.
[10:26] <endtell> xgat: what are you asking?
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[10:27] <Xgates> I need to chmod -R on a set of directories and files and put the perms correct
[10:27] <slava_dp> Xgates, find dir -type d -exec chmod 755 {} +
[10:27] <slava_dp> Xgates, find dir -type f -exec chmod 644 {} +
[10:27] <endtell> what part of chmod -R doesnt work? i dont get it
[10:27] <Xgates> 755 I take it for the direcs and 644 for files
[10:28] <Xgates> ahh I've always done it as chmod not find
[10:28] <nachox> that will not work in a fat filesystem
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[10:28] <Xgates> I'm doing this on Slack not fat
[10:28] <endtell> what fs is on your usb
[10:28] <sahko> Xgates: please, if you're gonna abbrevate directories refer to them as dirs
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[10:29] <nachox> oh, then be careful with that :P
[10:29] <rachael> ../../ipc/chromium/src/base/atomicops.h:136:2: error: #error "Atomic operations are not supported on your platform"
[10:29] <rachael>  Nope still no out of process on linux powerpc
[10:29] <Xgates> I'm not changing perms on the USB I'm changing them on Slack
[10:29] <slava_dp> slack will hate you for that
[10:29] <Xgates> my user files
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[10:30] <slava_dp> wooledge loads now.
[10:30] <Xgates> I said before on the USB they changed now I'm going to take them off the usb and put them back to their normal perms
[10:30] <Xgates> :)
[10:30] <arfon> YAY!  I love it when all of the servers and network equipment is plugged into ONE outlet!
[10:31] <endtell> arfon:  have fun replacing psu units
[10:31] <rachael> you only have to trip ones to make the all use the new kernel ?
[10:31] <arfon> Not me...  The district drones  :)
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[10:32] <arfon> Coming into the conversation late as usual...  Xgates, all you want is for USB drives to be mounted as read-by-everyone?
[10:32] <Xgates> how do I run find dir -type d -exec chmod 755 {} + on /home/user/.icons ?
[10:33] <sahko> you replace 'dir'?
[10:33] <alienBOB> Xgates: find /home/user/.icons -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \;
[10:33] <alienBOB> But that command will fail on any directory with spaces in it
[10:35] <Xgates> thanks
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[10:35] <Xgates> arfon: yeah was trying to mount my usb as a user
[10:35] <alienBOB> Better might be: chmod -R a+X /home/user/.icons
[10:36] <Xgates> yeah better to run that chmod?
[10:36] <alienBOB> That command (capital X) will only work on directories and files that were already executable for some user
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[10:36] <Xgates> that will set the dirs to 755 and files 644?
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[10:41] <adrien> oh, I had always used find :p
[10:41] <Xgates> alienBOB: what's wrong with the find dir -type d -exec chmod 755 {} + with plus on the end?
[10:43] <alienBOB> The plus is not supported in the find on my Slackware 10.0 system which I am typing on
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[10:43] <alienBOB> If it works for you, good. But it is not portable
[10:43] <Xgates> ahhh it worked here ok
[10:43] <Xgates> ok thanks
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[10:45] <KaMii> hey my palm just synced in opensuse, so i know it does work in linux, so why wont it work in slackware?
[10:47] <alisonken1home> KaMii: you have to install the sync tools from slackbuilds.org - it's not a default package in slackware
[10:47] <KaMii> i did alisonken1home
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[10:49] Action: KaMii sighs... why is everything breaking?
[10:49] <sahko> didnt palm used to work on kde until some time ago?
[10:49] <sahko> i think it was removed recently due to being unmaintained though. but not sure
[10:50] <KaMii> idk, dont use kde
[10:50] <sahko> kpilot app
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[10:51] <sahko> yeah, removed in 4.4
[10:52] <KaMii> wast kpilot just a destop not a connection device?
[10:52] <KaMii> well, bottom like, I know the centro can and will sync in linux
[10:52] <KaMii> so.... now i need to find out why slackware is being so picky about it
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[10:54] <arfon> MOTO Answer: Something is not configured correctly
[10:54] <KaMii> obviously, but i cant figure out what that
[10:55] <KaMii> 'something' is
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[10:55] <KaMii> sorry, hit the enter key too early
[10:55] <arfon> Well, my job is done here
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[11:02] <KaMii> aha its a file permissions error somewhere
[11:03] <KaMii> it syncs under jpilot as root
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[11:03] <KaMii> but not as user
[11:03] <KaMii> now.. to track down where
[11:03] <KaMii> in jpilot it connects as usb:
[11:04] <KaMii> but how do i see where its pulling from
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[11:05] <arfon> pulling?
[11:05] <KaMii> like what /dev/
[11:05] <KaMii> idk the terminology so well all the time
[11:05] <KaMii> :S
[11:05] <arfon> udev is probably what connects it... Having no experience whatso ever with a Palm, I'd start there :)
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[11:06] <KaMii> ya... udev confuses me
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[11:07] <tpocra> My OS is installed onto encrypted LVM2 root logical volume, and I switched motherboards so therefore controllers, and it cannot find the volume group... I think it might be a missing driver for the new controller in the initrd, how can I test for this?
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[11:08] <arfon> udev confuses everyone
[11:09] <arfon> Basic overview of udev is, do some lsusb and get your palm's information...  Use that to make a udev rule.
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[11:09] <arfon> udev can mount in a particular place, change permissions /and/or run a script based on the device's information
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[11:11] <arfon> the rules are simple text files in /etc/udev/rules.d  and the number at the beginning of the file name determines which file gets run first
[11:12] <arfon> After that, you're on you're own
[11:12] <KaMii> i created a udev rule
[11:12] <KaMii> but it didnt work
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[11:13] <arfon> try again
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[11:14] <KaMii> BUS=="usb", SYSFS{product}=="*[vVisor]*", KERNEL=="ttyUSB[13579]", NAME="pilot", GROUP="dialout", MODE="0666"
[11:14] <KaMii> thats my rule
[11:15] <KaMii> oh, does my user need to be joined to the dialout group?
[11:16] <alisonken1home> no - that's if you want to use it as a dialout modem
[11:16] <KaMii> ha, modem... who uses those anymore?
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[11:18] <alisonken1home> anyone that doesn't have an ethernet connection :)
[11:18] <rachael> if those 3g usb modem and their horrible ppp, god knows what else hack ,  counts as modem, yes many do
[11:19] Action: SpacePlod has spent the last two days trying to get a Verizon 3g modem working...
[11:19] <arfon> <--- is on a moden right now
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[11:20] <arfon> ( a wireless modem)   :)
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[11:20] <arfon> SpacePlod, I'm on one now
[11:20] <SpacePlod> arfon: dare I ask:  which one?
[11:20] <arfon> MC760  Novatel
[11:20] Action: KaMii is on fiber
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[11:21] <KaMii> so like, ya, did that udev rule make any sense?
[11:21] <SpacePlod> arfon: I'm trying a Pantech USB on a netbook.  I know it's doable...
[11:22] <arfon> Probably, did you try kppp?
[11:23] <SpacePlod> yes kppp seems to be the recommended route to happiness.
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[11:23] <SpacePlod> ...but I'm not happy yet.
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[11:23] <arfon> Let's start at step 1, does your modem need to be registered with Verizon?
[11:24] <pprkut> SpacePlod: external usb/expresscard or internal?
[11:24] <arfon> kppp is the easiest route, but I need to connect using cli only...
[11:25] <SpacePlod> Yes, and it is.  It works in another lap. pprkut: it's external usb.
[11:26] <arfon> Okay, when you plug it in, does /dev/ttyUSB0 get created?
[11:26] <SpacePlod> dmesg has it showing up as /dev/ttyACM0
[11:26] <pprkut> SpacePlod: I used umtsmon for mine, though it's a bit dated and no longer maintained
[11:26] <arfon> When you dial with kppp, are you dialing #777?
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[11:26] <SpacePlod> pprkut: ok...one sec...googling.
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[11:27] <arfon> Back up, can kppp query the modem ok?
[11:27] <pprkut> SpacePlod: the apps suggested nowadays are ModemManager and ofone, though I never worked with any of those
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[11:27] <pprkut> *ofono
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[11:28] <SpacePlod> arfon: yes
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[11:30] <SpacePlod> pprkut: geez...I never saw either of those.  Maybe I'm looking in the wrong spot.
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[11:30] <arfon> Sorry, Kpp queries ok?
[11:31] <SpacePlod> arfon: I'm not sure what "queries" means.  It shows in the drop down for device selection.
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[11:31] <alisonken1home> can you see if kppp sends something to the modem, and the modem returns a status string
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[11:32] Action: pprkut was never able to get something useful out of kppp :/
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[11:32] <arfon> here's a button in the modem setup page of Kppp that Queries the modem.
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[11:33] <arfon> It that works, you have it connected correctly and the problem is in your connection scripts
[11:33] <arfon> what Ken said
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[11:34] <SpacePlod> sorry...i'm at work.  Interruptions.
[11:35] Action: arfon understands
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[11:36] <SpacePlod> kppp (which is all I have right now) detects the modem.
[11:36] <arfon> Then you're golden
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[11:36] <arfon> are you telling kppp to dial #777?
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[11:37] <SpacePlod> ah.  found the "query modem" button, but it says "unable to detect".  Which is funny since it auto populates the login with the correct account user for taht modem.
[11:37] <SpacePlod> *that
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[11:37] <arfon> Ok, you're a little hosed if it can't query the modem
[11:37] Action: SpacePlod is feeling "a little hosed".
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[11:38] <arfon> just to make sure, you did put /dev/ttyASM0 in the device box?
[11:38] <SpacePlod> arfon: yes
[11:38] <arfon> What model is it again?
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[11:38] <SpacePlod> interesting.  after the query I get a blank dialog box titled "kppp-error" and the program freezes.
[11:39] <pprkut> kppp ftw! :D
[11:39] <arfon> weird
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[11:39] <SpacePlod> its a Pantech USB (UM175)
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[11:40] <arfon> ,googling>
[11:40] <SpacePlod> Well, that's new info.  I thought it was seeing the modem fine since it autopopulated the correct [phonenumber] at vz3g.com
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[11:40] <KaMii> why is it that any file over 1 gig, wget has troubles with and the md5 checksum is always wrong
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[11:41] <KaMii> can wget just not handle large files?
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[11:42] <endtell> wget is the shit
[11:42] <arfon> iSpacePlod, is the speed set to 460800?
[11:42] <KaMii> well it always borks on files over 1 gig for me
[11:43] <pprkut> SpacePlod: might help: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=50079
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[11:45] <SpacePlod> pprkut: thanks.  I have that one bookmarked.  Have not tried it yet.
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[11:49] <arfon> SpacePlod do you have the speed set right 460800?
[11:50] <SpacePlod> sorry...I meant to answer yes to that.
[11:50] <arfon> Work flare up... brb
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[11:51] <SpacePlod> arfon: I'm with you there.
[11:54] <arfon> Just to make sure, /dev/ttyACM0 is in the device box?
[11:55] <SpacePlod> Interesting...I just switched it from /dev/ttyACM0 to /dev/modem.  The console error message showed "/dev/usb/tty/ACM0 not found".
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[11:55] <Patero-ng> hello
[11:55] <SpacePlod> I enterend /dev/ttyACM0, but it got changed somehow.
[11:56] <Patero-ng> I have help regarding whax
[11:56] <SpacePlod> now I use /dev/modem and it queries fine.
[11:56] <SpacePlod> that's a step forward.
[11:56] <arfon> Don't question, just accept
[11:56] Action: Zordrak warns all of Patero-ng's red-tag status.
[11:56] <Patero-ng> I downloaded whax cd but it boots fine on desktop but on the laptop it says press any key I do and it reboots
[11:56] <arfon> If it queries, your hardware is golden
[11:57] <Patero-ng> need help jello can some 1 help me
[11:57] <arfon> Put in your username/password and #777 into the accounts tab and try it
[11:57] <arfon> Patero-ng, it takes awhile for ppl to see your message and respond.
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[11:58] <Patero-ng> fine I'll just orbit around
[11:58] <arfon> best thing to do
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[11:58] <SpacePlod> bah!  now I get "The pppd daemon died unexpectedly"
[11:58] <arfon> Most are chatting in other chats and only glance here once in a awhile
[11:59] <arfon> Can't help you there Space
[11:59] Action: arfon hates HP Openview
[12:00] <SpacePlod> np.  arfon you've been a great help.  This is more than I had before.  Using "query modem" help toss me a good error message.
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[12:01] <Patero-ng> arfon, u don't need to hate any appliance device
[12:01] <SpacePlod> I'm going to have a gander at some of the software pprkut pointed out.
[12:01] <Patero-ng> ur life shoudln't depend on technology
[12:01] <thumbs> s/ur/your/
[12:01] <arfon> 3Let me say this, once you get it working with Kppp, you can get pppd to bring it up by itself
[12:02] <zaltekk> does anyone know if that old ext2 driver for windows can access an ext4 partition as read-only?
[12:02] <arfon> with one gotcha (that I learned the hard way), my pppd/wvdial doesn't set the DNS correctly so I had to make a script to fix that
[12:03] <arfon> zaltekk you mean the fs-driver?
[12:03] <zaltekk> arfon: yes.
[12:03] <arfon> It's working on my laptop.... BUT....
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[12:03] <zaltekk> i'm debating how to repartition my laptop's two harddrive between windows7 and slackware13.1
[12:04] <arfon> you have to set the ext inodes to a certain size or it doesn't work
[12:04] <zaltekk> i want there to be a "data/media" partition that both can access, but i don't really want it to be ntfs. i'd actually like to use ext3/4 with luks. so maybe i can use a VM under windows to expose the drive?
[12:04] <arfon> the inode size can be found in the fs-driver FAQs
[12:04] <zaltekk> arfon: i'm also not sure that the driver will work with a version of windows newer than xp. do you know?
[12:04] <BP{k}> zaltekk: why not just make a fat32 partition for moving stuff along?
[12:04] <arfon> Nope, I only have XP
[12:05] <Patero-ng> arfon, what's up
[12:05] <arfon> Waitin for lunch Patero
[12:05] <zaltekk> BP{k}: i don't want to have to swap files between OSes.
[12:05] <Patero-ng> arfon, are u working
[12:06] <arfon> Trying not to Patero
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[12:06] <Patero-ng> anywey does anyone here knows why my boot cd can't boot from laptop but yes from desktop
[12:07] <arfon> I have never used whax Patero so, I can't tell you.
[12:07] <mako-sama> zaltekk: there are drivers for some *nix filesystems for windows
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[12:07] <Patero-ng> but is now necesearly whax releated is it could there be a generic problem with certain booting off the laptop
[12:08] <Patero-ng> I would try doing usb drive but laptop is too old
[12:08] <zaltekk> mako-sama: i know that i can use NTFS-3G, but i'd like to have an encrypted partition since it is a laptop
[12:09] <Alan_Hicks> zaltekk: You need access to these files under both windows and linux?
[12:09] <zaltekk> i think i'm going to look into using a virtual machine in windows to provide access to the partition. i'm just worried how that will affect speed
[12:09] <zaltekk> Alan_Hicks: yes. i use both quite often, and i like to have all my data files(movies, music, books, documents, etc) available to both
[12:09] <rob0> Alan_Hicks @ 16:06
[12:09] <zaltekk> i would hate to reboot just to access a file
[12:10] <Alan_Hicks> rob0: huh?
[12:10] <zaltekk> i have a 320gb hd and a 500gb hd, so i though i'd put the OSes on the 320 and the data on the 500
[12:10] <rob0> it rhymed
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[12:10] <Alan_Hicks> zaltekk: Then yeah, that's tricky.  There are file-systems that work on both windows and linux, but none of them support file-system level encryption worth a damn.
[12:10] <mako-sama> zaltekk: a vm will work... so you do the decryption with a vm then you share with samba?
[12:10] <rob0> would have rhymed better ten hours prior
[12:11] <zaltekk> mako-sama: i was thinking of something like that. i'm looking into what the options for "sharing" are. it would be nice if i could expose it as a native drive
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[12:11] <Alan_Hicks> Probably your best bet is a Linux VM running under Windows with access to the files you need.  You could setup crypto-loop and export it via SMB or NFS depending on the OS you're using.
[12:11] <zaltekk> Alan_Hicks: right. and slackware could access it natively
[12:12] <mako-sama> zaltekk: I would guess that samba would be your best option.
[12:12] <zaltekk> Alan_Hicks: mako-sama: any idea how big of a performance hit i'd get from accessing the drive through smb and a vm?
[12:12] <Alan_Hicks> But if you're going to go the vm route, why not just install Slackware on the whole thing and access Windows through a VM?
[12:12] <arfon> zaltekk, if you want encryption, look into truecrypt. It works well and has windows and Linux binaries
[12:12] <KaMii> well this sux, whatever it was I did, now i cant hotsync with root anymore
[12:12] <zaltekk> Alan_Hicks: because i play video games under windows.
[12:12] <rob0> If performance is an issue, don't use filesystem encryption.
[12:13] <KaMii> at least rood did work.... then idk what i did to break that
[12:13] <KaMii> root
[12:13] <zaltekk> rob0: it isn't. i'm just wondering if it'd be fast enough to read hd video tbh
[12:13] <rob0> crypto-loop is deprecated, there's device mapper and dm-crypt now.
[12:13] <Alan_Hicks> rob0: Whatever....
[12:13] <trhodes> what about truecrypt ? does it depend on a filesystem ?
[12:13] <rob0> Alan_Hicks: is stuck in 2006
[12:13] <zaltekk> rob0: right. that's what i have been using
[12:14] <Alan_Hicks> 2006 was a great year for me!
[12:14] <zaltekk> arfon: i didn't realize it supported linux. that might be a better solution. i'll definitely look into it.
[12:14] <trhodes> i mean, i've heard that truecrypt is cross-platform
[12:14] <zaltekk> trhodes: i'm about to go find out :)
[12:14] <mako-sama> yeah. I totally forgot truecrypt
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[12:15] <arfon> I hate to sound like a broken record but, I'm running Truecrypt on my Linux laptop right now.
[12:15] <rob0> dm-crypt *could* be cross-platform, if anyone cared to develop it for Windows.
[12:15] <KaMii> ok got it working again under root, i restarted udev
[12:16] <KaMii> this is a udev issue and a permissions issue
[12:16] <KaMii> how can I just make that one user have all udev permissions
[12:16] <KaMii> it has to be a permissions issue
[12:19] <arfon> KaMii, I don't know for sure but, there is a plugdev group
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[12:19] <zaltekk> it looks like truecrypt will do exactly what i want. it seems it can even encrypt the windows system partition.
[12:19] <zaltekk> thanks for the suggestion
[12:20] <KaMii> maybe i will try that arfon
[12:20] Action: arfon high-fives trodes
[12:20] <trhodes> \o/
[12:21] <arfon> zaltekk, you can even truecrypt thumbdrives
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[12:25] <KaMii> adding to plugdev didnt work
[12:25] <KaMii> same problem
[12:26] <Skywise> did you logout and back in again before trying?
[12:26] <KaMii> no
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[12:32] <KaMii> still didnt work
[12:32] <Skywise> it was just a guess
[12:32] <Skywise> do you get the same error?
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[12:34] <blondais> groups user?
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[12:37] <KaMii> no errors, it just never connects
[12:37] <KaMii> the palm finally times out
[12:37] <KaMii> but dmesg never says there is an error
[12:37] <KaMii> its just waiting for the thing to connect, it sees the device, says its connected
[12:37] <KaMii> bt no transfer goes though when im loged in as use, but it works as root
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[12:40] <Skywise> i'm not sure whats going on because udev is involved
[12:41] <Skywise> adding the user to plugdev should be all thats required
[12:42] <KaMii> apparently not
[12:42] <KaMii> :S
[12:42] <KaMii> unless i added it wrong
[12:42] <Skywise> wouldn't be the first time when udev is concerned
[12:42] <Skywise> maybe it didn't like your sacrifice
[12:42] <KaMii> i really am starting to hate udev
[12:42] <Skywise> ahh, i remember those times
[12:43] <Patero-ng> 2 thymes
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[12:43] <Skywise> after a while, when it foils you in uncountable ways, then you learn to properly despise it
[12:44] <KaMii> what i hate also is having download slack 13.1 dvd twice becuase wget phales
[12:44] <Patero-ng> whales?
[12:44] <KaMii> fails
[12:44] <Skywise> it can't resume?
[12:44] <KaMii> it downloaded, but md5 was wrong
[12:44] <Patero-ng> is not wget
[12:44] <Patero-ng> is the goverment tapping ur line
[12:44] <KaMii> wget alway fails me when its a file over 1 gig
[12:44] <Patero-ng> is good thing to know md5
[12:45] <KaMii> and udev apparently
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[12:47] <arfon> KaMii, why not torrent Slack DVD?
[12:47] <Patero-ng> oh no
[12:47] <Patero-ng> torrent is a bad idea for security
[12:47] Nick change: xMDKx -> rodrigo_golive
[12:48] <Patero-ng> torrent injects linux isos with trojans
[12:48] <arfon> not if you want the iso and wget fails
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[12:48] <Patero-ng> arfon, is probably from the cia
[12:48] <Patero-ng> then don't get the iso
[12:48] Action: arfon blinks
[12:48] <Patero-ng> until is fixed u can't just torrent thinks for security related
[12:48] <Skywise> if they can alter the image and still match the checksum then you couldn't stop them anyway
[12:50] <Patero-ng> another layer of security
[12:50] <Patero-ng> openbsds doesn't even do isos @ all
[12:51] <Skywise> the iso isn't the issue its the change of custody and the distribution channel
[12:51] <KaMii> because last time I did a slack torrent it took 4 hours
[12:51] <Skywise> just verify after you download
[12:51] <KaMii> people dont want to share their bandwidth
[12:51] <Skywise> i find the ftp goes fast enough
[12:51] <KaMii> i do verify after i download, but that doesnt save time if its wrong
[12:52] <KaMii> and i have to re-download
[12:52] <Skywise> can't save time if its wrong
[12:52] <KaMii> and it takes an hour to grab this
[12:52] <Skywise> thats lost
[12:53] <KaMii> hrm... wondering if my HDD is not bad afterall and its the SATA controller again
[12:53] <arfon> Well, you can wait 4 days for a "how can I download" answer or, you can start the torrent and get the iso in 4hours.  The torrent will resume.
[12:53] <KaMii> if I lost another SATA port.... then i only have 2 left
[12:54] <Skywise> you shouldn't be losing ports at all, you should figure out what your issue actually is
[12:54] <arfon> Tie a string onto it so you can't lose it.
[12:54] <KaMii> i think my issue is a Motherboard going bad
[12:54] <arfon> Is it a Gigabyte?
[12:55] <KaMii> Asus
[12:55] <KaMii> then i lost an SATA controller
[12:55] Action: arfon had to return the last 3 Gigabytes he bought
[12:55] <KaMii> now it looks like i lost a second one
[12:55] Action: KaMii will never buy gigabyte
[12:55] <arfon> You can always pick up a cheap SATA adapter board and stick it in there to see if your drives are good.
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[12:56] <KaMii> oh, nice
[12:56] <KaMii> i didnt think of that
[12:56] <arfon> I picked up one for $15
[12:56] <KaMii> well im pretty sure its the controller
[12:56] <arfon> Prolly
[12:56] <KaMii> i highly doubt its the drive
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[12:57] <KaMii> i will kill ports 1 and 2 under bios and run 3 and 4
[12:57] <zaltekk> arfon: how do you have truecrypt installed? the slackbuild is for 6.3a, when the newest is 7.0 -- did you use hte binaries from the truecrypt website?
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[13:04] <arfon> Nope, I edited the version in the SBo to say7  :)
[13:05] <arfon> lunch-o time-o!
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[13:15] <sickn3ss> hey guys can someone give me a hand with ccsm on slackware ?
[13:16] <Patero-ng> nice name
[13:16] <sickn3ss> O_o lol
[13:16] <Patero-ng> did u patent dat
[13:16] <sickn3ss> what's with my nick ?
[13:16] <sickn3ss> :))
[13:16] <Patero-ng> it rumbles my brain
[13:16] <Alan_Hicks> ccsm?
[13:16] <sickn3ss> compiz settings manager
[13:16] <Patero-ng> images come to me from disturbed and other bands
[13:17] <sickn3ss> I like disturbed :))
[13:17] <Alan_Hicks> Oh.  Sorry.  Never used compiz.
[13:17] <Patero-ng> u r
[13:17] <sickn3ss> so can anyone give me a hand with compiz here ? :))
[13:19] <Patero-ng> sick
[13:19] <sickn3ss> ?
[13:19] <Patero-ng> they tend to ignore me too
[13:20] <sickn3ss> :))
[13:20] <Patero-ng> or i can't see woot their typing
[13:20] <Alan_Hicks> Not many people are here right now, and I can't help you.  Wait around awhile.  Some one will come here.
[13:20] <sickn3ss> Eh I can wait no problem :))
[13:20] <Alan_Hicks> Patero-ng: People might not ignore you so much if you stopped typing like a teenage girl text messaging her friends.
[13:20] <sickn3ss> it's just bugging me that this compiz settings manager won't start at all
[13:21] <Alan_Hicks> Do you get an error message?
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[13:21] <sickn3ss> Info: No sexy-python package found, don't worry it's optional.
[13:21] <sickn3ss> Traceback (most recent call last):
[13:21] <sickn3ss>   File "/usr/bin/ccsm", line 37, in <module>
[13:21] Channel flood from sickn3ss -- kicking
[13:21] <sickn3ss>     import compizconfig
[13:21] <sickn3ss> ImportError: No module named compizconfig
[13:21] sickn3ss kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood
[13:21] <Patero-ng> ,..,
[13:22] <KaMii> thats why pastebin was invented
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[13:22] <Patero-ng> i know but pastebin may be controlled by google
[13:22] <Patero-ng> always give out alternatrives from dif countries and in dif sort order
[13:22] <Patero-ng> the internet is not private brian
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[13:28] <sickn3ss> eh ...
[13:28] <NaCl> pastebin is your friend
[13:28] <NaCl> Patero-ng: there are many similar services
[13:28] <sickn3ss> So .. still no one here who can give me a hand ?
[13:29] <NaCl> install the compizconfig python module
[13:29] <NaCl> *pof*
[13:29] <sickn3ss> it's installed
[13:30] <sickn3ss> I downloaded the whole compiz-fusion with all the programs needed in .tgz
[13:30] <sickn3ss> and installed all
[13:30] <alienBOB> Patero-ng: if you are so worried about google and your privacy, then perhaps being online in an IRC channel might not be the best of ideas
[13:32] Action: ananke wonders who lifted Patero-ng's ban
[13:32] <adrien> with public logs :-)
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[13:34] <mwalling> noobfarm, now with an additional 21% awesomeness: http://straterra.noobfarm.org/
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[13:35] <mwalling> or, to start a shitfest, http://alienbob.noobfarm.org/ :)
[13:35] <mwalling> (DNS may still be propogating, blame Dominian)
[13:36] <Dominian> basically: http://<searchterm>.noobfarm.org
[13:36] <mwalling> if there are spaces in your search term, use . to seperate the words
[13:36] <rob0> No, "propagation" is done.
[13:36] <adrien> mwalling: oh =)
[13:36] <adrien> Dominian: \o/
[13:36] <mwalling> if you want . in your search term, FOAD (patches welcome)
[13:36] <adrien> mwalling: \o/
[13:37] <mwalling> rob0: shuddup, i speel just fin
[13:37] <rob0> oh wait there is a problem
[13:37] <Dominian> Yeah thank mwalling it was his addition to the code
[13:37] Action: Dominian . o O ( finally... )
[13:37] <rob0> ns2.afraid.org: still behind
[13:37] <mwalling> Dominian: once you figured out how not to fail at apache configs
[13:38] <mwalling> rob0: ha.
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[13:38] <joe_cia> hmmm
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[13:38] <Dominian> rob0: it'll be behind
[13:39] <Dominian> it doesn't accept NOTIFY
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[13:39] <rob0> sucks
[13:40] <joe_cia> agent|kacbep: hi, everything's looking good on your side?
[13:40] <mwalling> srsly
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[13:40] <agent|kacbep> sure is
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[13:48] <joe_cia> agent|kacbep: damn, connection is unstable in this country
[13:49] <joe_cia> anyway, I think I got him
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[14:00] <joe_cia> agent|kacbep: okay, let's leave now
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[14:01] <agent|kacbep> ok, i'll head out
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[14:01] <nix_chix0r> edman007, i got banned in ##electronics for no reason maybe idling
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[14:07] Action: arfon didn't even know there was a ##electronics
[14:07] <nix_chix0r> me either
[14:07] <nix_chix0r> i was banned for like a day of joining
[14:07] <nix_chix0r> maybe because i idled
[14:07] <nix_chix0r> i can go back in now though which is weird but no one will talk to me
[14:08] <arfon> I don't get this idle thing....  You can't always be active in a caht
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[14:08] <arfon> chat
[14:08] <nix_chix0r> right, i left to go be human for a while
[14:08] <nix_chix0r> my bad
[14:08] <bitlord> nix_chix0r, PM channel operator at ##electronics
[14:08] <arfon> How long do you typically have to be idle to get a ban?
[14:08] <nix_chix0r> bitlord, well i'm not banned right now.
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[14:08] <nix_chix0r> they didn't tell me if i was but i know i was. and no reason given.
[14:09] <nix_chix0r> just thought it was ridiculous
[14:09] <KaMii> ok i boot in from a live cd, i run fsck /dev/sdb2
[14:09] <KaMii> and it is telling me that i have it mounted, but its not
[14:10] <KaMii> df
[14:10] <KaMii> its not mounted
[14:10] <arfon> are you SURE it's not?
[14:10] <KaMii> im positive
[14:10] <KaMii> it cannot be mounted
[14:10] <arfon> do a umount /dev/sdb2
[14:10] <arfon> [* KaMii: quit- lost connection]
[14:11] <arfon> :)
[14:12] <KaMii> i did that, it said it wasn tmounted
[14:12] <gbonvehi> type mount without parms
[14:12] <gbonvehi> it will give you a list of mounted devices
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[14:14] <nix_chix0r> oh my what a suprise agent|kacbep  and joe_cia
[14:14] Action: nix_chix0r snickers
[14:14] <maco> oh hey its nix_chix0r. hi!
[14:14] <nix_chix0r> hi maco
[14:15] <nix_chix0r> nap time:)
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[14:15] <arfon> is this ##NSA?
[14:16] Nick change: trhodes -> agent|trhodes
[14:16] <agent|trhodes> nope
[14:16] Action: arfon probably just triggers some monitoring program somewhere
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[14:22] <adrien> glad to see NSA's are here
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[14:27] <rob0> What about the cagey bees?
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[14:36] <asarch> One stupid question: When you are making a new release of Slackware do you start from zero or reuse an older installation?
[14:37] <Alan_Hicks> yes
[14:37] <sahko> no
[14:37] <asarch> Yes what?
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[14:37] <asarch> No what?
[14:37] <jeev> yes and no
[14:37] <Alan_Hicks> yes and no to both
[14:37] <asarch> D'oh!
[14:37] <asarch> So, you start from zero, right?
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[14:37] <jeev> depends
[14:37] <Alan_Hicks> sometimes
[14:38] <asarch> I see
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[14:39] <sahko> what does 'making a new release of Slackware' mean?
[14:39] <KaMii> its not mounted, i have tried doing this over and over, but it keeps saying /dev/sdb2 is mounted
[14:39] <KaMii> its a fat lie
[14:39] <KaMii> why cant i fsck
[14:39] <asarch> For example from 13.0 to 13.1
[14:39] <asarch> Or from 12.x to 13.x
[14:39] <sahko> upgrading?
[14:40] <asarch> Everytime Pat puts another entry in the main site
[14:40] <KaMii> im trying to use that sysrescucd
[14:40] <KaMii> i booted into it
[14:40] <KaMii> fsck dev/sdb2
[14:40] <sahko> ok, cause making means create, which is what Pat does, not us
[14:41] <KaMii> it says its mounted
[14:42] <asarch> Oh
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[14:42] <asarch> Then Pat actually does the release
[14:42] <ganeshix> hi all
[14:42] <Giggs> hi
[14:42] <ganeshix> im having some serious problems with freenx
[14:42] <rob0> IIUC the new slackware-current tree is a cp -a of the previous one. First thing built is the new toolchain.
[14:43] <ganeshix> here is my node.conf  http://dpaste.com/220584
[14:43] <asarch> I'm asking this because I've been upgrading my Gentoo installation
[14:43] <Alan_Hicks> rob0: Generally speaking that's the way it's done.
[14:43] <Giggs> emm, sorry to bother you guys, i have slackware 12.1 and i wanted to compile a new kernel (2.6.34)
[14:43] <ganeshix> here is my nxserver.log   http://dpaste.com/220583/
[14:44] <Giggs> so i downloaded it, configured, installed, and rebooted successfully
[14:44] <asarch> And there was a new release of the GCC (from 3.4.6 to 4.4.3) and now I need to rebuild EVERYTHING
[14:44] <ganeshix> apparently authentication is working fine, but there is something else failing afterwards
[14:44] <Alan_Hicks> Giggs: Congratulations.
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[14:44] <asarch> (About 1300 packages :'-( )
[14:44] <Giggs> Alan_Hicks: thanks
[14:44] <Giggs> Alan_Hicks: the problem is, my realtek rtl8187 is not working
[14:44] <sahko> asarch: thats part of the deal with gentoo. good lucl
[14:44] <Giggs> no sign of it
[14:45] <Giggs> Alan_Hicks: and samething with Nvidia 9400 GT
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[14:45] <Giggs> modeprobe says rtl8187 module not found
[14:45] <sahko> Giggs: maybe you got to blacklist some module
[14:45] <KaMii> fsck wont run on any drive partition
[14:45] <KaMii> none
[14:45] <KaMii> what is going on with this stupid program?
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[14:45] <sahko> for example here i have to blacklist rt2800pci
[14:46] <Giggs> sahko: maybe, although all of those were working fine on 2.6.27
[14:46] Nick change: Wulf-is-not-here -> WireWulf
[14:46] <rob0> Best thing to do with a custom kernel is to start out with a known-good config for the previous one, or the closest Slackware generic, and add what you need, and be careful about removing anything.
[14:46] <adrien> asarch: it all depends: if gcc breaks ABI compatibility, then everything will have to be rebuild
[14:46] <Alan_Hicks> Giggs: What does lspci -v say?
[14:46] <adrien> t
[14:46] <Giggs> except the rtl8187, the connection drops after 1min
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[14:46] <adrien> I'm not sure they changed it between 3.x and 4.x however...
[14:46] <sahko> Giggs: wpa?
[14:46] <Giggs> Alan_Hicks: it detects all the hardware
[14:46] <Giggs> sahko: wep
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[14:46] <Alan_Hicks> Giggs: pastebin
[14:46] <sahko> ok 90% you got to blacklist a module
[14:46] <Giggs> Alan_Hicks: am not on that machine
[14:47] <Giggs> but let me try something
[14:47] <Giggs> sahko: yeah maybe
[14:47] <sahko> wireless stack in the kernel is changing
[14:47] <Giggs> ah, that could be the problem
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[14:47] <rob0> /sbin/modinfo rtl8187 ; echo $?
[14:47] <Giggs> let me check it out
[14:47] <Giggs> sec
[14:47] <rob0> did you build that module? If not, see above.
[14:48] <rob0> 18:43 < rob0> Best thing to do with a custom kernel ...
[14:48] <sahko> oh right its custom too
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[14:49] <rob0> When in doubt, make a module. Having it and not using it just wastes a few KB of disk space. Not having it and needing it later means rebuild, reboot.
[14:50] <rob0> I generally stay with the generic kernels and initrd now. Custom kernels take too much time for no measurable benefit.
[14:50] <asarch> I see
[14:50] <asarch> Then you do the rebuild for us
[14:51] <Giggs> rob0: modinfo: could not find module rtl8187
[14:51] <Giggs> am getting the lspci output just a sec
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[14:52] <sahko> can you pastebin lsmod |grep rt?
[14:52] <rob0> A quick option is to grab the latest Slackware-current kernel and modules, installpkg them, mkinitrd(8) and enjoy.
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[14:52] <Giggs> sahko: sure let me try
[14:53] <Giggs> sahko: empty
[14:53] <Giggs> nothing comes up
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[14:53] <sahko> hmm
[14:54] <rob0> sahko: we already established that he did not build it, therefore it could not be loaded.
[14:54] <Giggs> http://pastie.org/1054106
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[14:54] <Giggs> lspci ^
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[14:55] <sahko> rob0: yes
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[14:57] <Giggs> should iwhat rob0 said ?
[14:57] <Giggs> try what*
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[14:59] <nvision> why is imagemagick linked against X11 !?
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[15:00] <adrien> because of display
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[15:00] <adrien> or others, I don't know
[15:01] <janemba> hello
[15:01] <KaMii> ok, I am getting:: 'hub 2-0:1.0: Cannot enable port 6.  Maybe the USB cable is bad?' errors while fsck is running on /dev/sdb2
[15:02] <KaMii> i have swapped out cables on that drive, I have also switched it to 3 different SATA ports on the MB but I always get those errors, but now the errors are displaying while fsck is taking place
[15:02] <janemba> I use  a trendnet kvm switcher for my mouse and my keyboard. When I'm on the other box I can switch using the hot-key numlock but on slack this doesn't work and I need to do it manually. Do you know what's going on ?
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[15:02] <nvision> hm, ok its explained in the slackbuild
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[15:09] <arfon> Jane, did youtry switching the connections between the boxes to see if the problem moves?
[15:09] <janemba> arfon: no but I can try
[15:10] <arfon> Those switches are not comtrolled by the computer. Either your KVM is flaky or maybe there's a signal/power problem from one box to the KVM
[15:10] <janemba> arfon: nothing change but I figured out what's wrong
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[15:11] <arfon> it was...?
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[15:11] <janemba> from linux I need to use another key ;)
[15:11] <arfon> doh!
[15:11] <janemba> :)
[15:11] <janemba> hihi
[15:11] <arfon> which key?
[15:11] <janemba> so thanks anyway :)
[15:11] <janemba> scroll lock
[15:12] <arfon> That's what mine uses
[15:12] <arfon> cool beans
[15:12] <janemba> yep
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[15:20] Nick change: agent|firebird -> fire|bird
[15:21] Nick change: agent|kacbep -> kacbep
[15:21] Action: arfon is now known as afron
[15:21] <arfon> (can't even spell my own name) :(
[15:22] <fire|bird> you fail
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[15:23] Action: arfon failed
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[15:33] <adrien> Vim 7.3a, with persistent undo \o/
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[15:35] <arfon> I've been meaning to ask...  what is \o/ ?
[15:35] <trhodes> arms up in the air
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[15:36] <arfon> Ah
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[15:36] <trhodes> arfon: high five
[15:36] <arfon> wouldnt a hig five be o/\o ?
[15:36] <trhodes> yeah :P
[15:36] <trhodes> i was just returning yours
[15:36] <arfon> or one guy being a dick... o/ o
[15:37] <trhodes> haha yep
[15:39] Action: arfon is reading about punched tape
[15:40] <Giggs> arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[15:40] <Giggs> darn it
[15:40] <Giggs> i didnt enable it in .config
[15:40] <Giggs> and i though i did
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[15:40] <Giggs> >.>
[15:40] <Giggs> sorry for the trouble
[15:40] <Giggs> brb
[15:40] <arfon> For give me Giggs but... HA HAHA HAhahahha
[15:41] <arfon> o/ o
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[15:42] <a_bug> hi guys, I have a Western digital 1 tb hard disk with 32 mb cache. But hdparm -i /dev/sda1 is showing BufSize as 0kb instead of 32MB
[15:42] <a_bug> is there a way to set the buffer size ?
[15:42] <arfon> which buffer?
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[15:43] Action: arfon should pay more attention
[15:43] <arfon> Don't know
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[15:52] <thrice`> rworkman, http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-July/028165.html   can hal be moved to kde/ now? :>
[15:53] <sahk0> woa, nice development
[15:54] <sahk0> i guess it automagically solves http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-July/028163.html too?
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[16:22] <Giggs> arfon: lol XD
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[16:25] <kleanchap> To wipe out a disk I used the following command on Linux:  dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda obs=10M    That should write 10 megabytes at a time.  Am I correct about that?
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[16:25] <adrien> yes
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[16:26] <chance22> Grrr....
[16:26] <KaMii> why not just use dban to wipe a disk
[16:27] <KaMii> that does a really nice secure job
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[16:27] <mako-sama> or you can just use shred
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[16:27] <kleanchap> I tried dban and it for some reason is getting stuck after the USB device detection.
[16:28] <mako-sama> for a complete disk wipe, I prefer the fire method
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[16:28] <KaMii> ya, but isnt shred just for one file or directory at a time?  can shred do an entire fs?
[16:28] <phrag> o/
[16:28] <mako-sama> some prefer the sledge hammer. either way, it works
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[16:28] <KaMii> microwave + HDD
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[16:28] <mako-sama> KaMii: = explosion
[16:29] <adrien> forget about shred
[16:29] <adrien> CAUTION: Note that shred relies on a very  important  assumption:  that the  file system overwrites data in place.  This is the traditional way to do things, but many modern file system designs do not  satisfy  this assumption.
[16:29] <adrien> * log-structured or journaled file systems, such as those supplied with AIX and Solaris (and JFS, ReiserFS, XFS, Ext3, etc.)
[16:29] <adrien> and others
[16:29] <KaMii> im not sure if it wold be an explostion, there is a youtube of some kids putting a psp in a microwave, it did not explode, but it made some fireworks
[16:30] <adrien> man shred for more details
[16:30] <mako-sama> adrien: shred = open the hdd, put the platters on the floor and shred them with a brick
[16:30] <raela> phrag: oh hey, now that you're around.. what did you want yesterday?
[16:30] <Srbo> is it possible over a vpn connection (got ip 192.168.177.x) to connect to a server at the other network but under 192.168.0.1?
[16:30] <adrien> mako-sama: ;-)
[16:30] <mako-sama> :)
[16:30] <adrien> I'd try a micro-wave oven I think
[16:31] <mako-sama> I don't have spare mwave ovens.  mine is expensive and I don't want to buy a new one
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[16:31] <thumbs> phrag: hey, may I /pm ?
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[16:32] <adrien> mako-sama: you can probably get away with small bits of platters
[16:32] <Dominian> phrag: You about?
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[16:36] <raela> hrm. if he smells enough to be detected by nose, maybe I shouldn't see what he wants.. :P
[16:36] <nachox> what does the <i> tag do in html?
[16:36] <gbonvehi> italics?
[16:36] <nachox> hmm, it makes sense
[16:37] <thumbs> nachox: what he said.
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[16:37] <nachox> can i have <script> inside <i> ?
[16:37] <thumbs> nachox: technically, no.
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[16:38] <thumbs> nachox: <script> is meant to be used for client-side scripting, not output.
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[16:39] <nachox> thumbs, i know, i just had a mental break down and forgot what a tag did :P
[16:39] <thumbs> nachox: no worries.
[16:39] <bitlord> slackboy is bot? who is owner, can I ask it something?
[16:40] <nachox> he is a bot yes, but it doesnt answer questions
[16:40] <nachox> its more like a housekeeping bot, it takes care of bans and the such
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[16:40] <bitlord> I want to ask owner? not bot, sorry for my poor English
[16:41] <shonudo> he sort of "answers questions" in that sense... lol
[16:41] <shonudo> funny how we tend to lapse into "he" statements with bots, speaking of poor english
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[16:42] <thumbs> shonudo: we call our bot 'she' (no, not this channel)
[16:42] <bitlord> can someone tell me more information about slackboy, bot "software" If I can call it that?
[16:42] <shonudo> thumbs, and the bot on our channel is "he" all the time
[16:43] <shonudo> again, it's funny
[16:43] <bitlord> which software is under slackboy? ( If you can understand what I need)
[16:43] <thumbs> bitlord: what do you need to know, exactly?
[16:43] <bitlord> I want some similar bot for one channel
[16:43] <arfon> He wants to know what script slackboy is
[16:43] <thumbs> bitlord: ij,
[16:43] <thumbs> err ok.
[16:44] <bitlord> Is it free, or someone of slackers wrote it?
[16:44] <nachox> free
[16:44] <nachox> i think
[16:45] <thumbs> I don't know what it runs, sorry.
[16:45] <bitlord> OK, thumbs
[16:45] <shonudo> bitlord, there are several bot scripts out there... you can try eggdrop, suppy (sp?), etc
[16:45] <arfon> Who is actually running slackboy?
[16:45] <bitlord> do you know who is owner?
[16:45] <sahk0> i think slackboy runs Slackware
[16:45] <sahk0> might be wrong though
[16:45] <nachox> one of the other slackware ops
[16:45] <bitlord> sahk0, funny
[16:45] <arfon> But slackboy has to be running on someone's computer
[16:45] <sahk0> :)
[16:46] <shonudo> sahk0, do you mean slackboy is Pat's "mini-me"?
[16:46] <sahk0> absolutely not
[16:46] <shonudo> :)
[16:47] <alienBOB> I think slackboy is an eggdrop bot
[16:47] <bitlord> tnx. alienBOB
[16:47] <arfon> whois slackboy
[16:47] <shonudo> it may be; eggdrop is pretty versatile in terms of admin stuff or for entertainment
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[16:48] <shonudo> even if it is something of a half-dead project; i don't think there has been much in the way of development for a long time
[16:48] <arfon> hmmm ~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com =is thw ho
[16:48] <fire|bird> bitlord, slackboy is eggdrop, eggheads.org
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[16:49] <bitlord> tnx. fire|bird
[16:49] <alienBOB> I ran an eggdrop bot with megahal plugin for a while at work (where we used a private IRC network). I fed the megahal with a year of channel logs as target practice, and it was funny to watch the bot participate in discussions
[16:49] <phrag> Dominian: yes mate, i am
[16:49] <phrag> thumbs: yes
[16:50] <fire|bird> alienBOB, I did that in the OT channel and people got pissed. I had to disable it.
[16:50] <alienBOB> Well of course you need to be an op in your channel :-)
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[16:51] <fire|bird> alienBOB, I'm an op in ot, had megahal running overnight, some got mad and others kept feeding the bot info so it kept right on going. :P
[16:51] <Alan_Hicks> fire|bird: I think people got pissed because the bot was more intelligent than they were.
[16:51] <alienBOB> Sure, that is how it works. You feed it, it gives you fun in return
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[16:51] <fire|bird> Alan_Hicks, haha, with some of those in OT, I can believe that. :)
[16:52] <fire|bird> Alan_Hicks, One of the ones that was feeding it the most is banned there now, but that's not something I'll enable there again.
[16:52] <fire|bird> alienBOB, yes, it was a lot of fun to read through the backlog from that day.
[16:52] <juice> In the installer when using ftp/http install why can't there be a list of public ftp/http servers to grab slack from rather than having to manually enter one?
[16:53] <bodgit>  /discon
[16:53] <alienBOB> juice: because I was not intending the ftp/http installer to be used over the Internet. Only for LAN installations
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[16:53] <juice> :P
[16:53] <teckan> hello, i just deleted accidentally /usr/bin/mv
[16:53] <teckan> what is the package containing it?
[16:54] <sahk0> coreutils
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[16:54] <teckan> (i know, completely dumb problem, this one of mine. :P)
[16:54] <teckan> sahk0, thnks a lot.
[16:54] <Skywise> diskset a
[16:54] <juice> well when disk 2 decided to crap out I used what i could :)
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[16:54] <sahk0> teckan: errm no, theres no /usr/bin/mv
[16:55] <Alan_Hicks> It's /bin/mv.
[16:55] <Alan_Hicks> And it's in coreutils.
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[16:56] <shonudo> teckan, the "mv" in /usr/bin was a link
[16:56] <shonudo> was/is whatever
[16:56] <shonudo> is a link
[16:56] <shonudo> you can probably just rebuild the link
[16:56] <teckan> sahk0, y, that. i deleted it, i have no mv anymore and i noticed i did something dumb with a rm -rf than run for 1 sec. before I hit ctrl+c
[16:56] <Alan_Hicks> teckan: Then you likely lost a lot more than mv.
[16:57] <teckan> Alan_Hicks, unfortunately, you're true. but i'm in process of moving to 13.1 tomorrow or something, so it's not a big deal. i just need it to be usuable overnight
[16:58] <shonudo> are you using it right now?
[16:58] <sahk0> mv use can be avoided by cp and rm
[16:58] <teckan> yes, i'm using it right now
[16:58] <Skywise> i suspect he borked more then that
[16:58] <jg71> rsync ;)
[16:58] <teckan> sahk0, i know it can.
[16:59] <arfon> mv script: #!/bin/bash;cp $1 $2; rm $1
[16:59] <jg71> Skywise: the bets are closed.
[16:59] <Skywise> dang
[16:59] <jg71> arfon: waaaah. thats dangerous
[16:59] <nachox> plus its inefficient
[16:59] <shonudo> skywise, next race is in 20 minutes
[16:59] <Skywise> why not boot the install cd and reinstall diskset a and pretend it never happened
[16:59] <arfon> It's quick and dirty but, works
[17:00] <sahk0> i wonder why the symlinks though
[17:00] <shonudo> although you're just trying to get to tomorrow?
[17:00] <jg71> hope nobody applies that one to dirs/files with spaces...
[17:00] <Skywise> did you see the part about doing the rm -rf and he had to stop it after a while
[17:00] <sahk0> doesnt make sense. /bin is in $PATH
[17:00] <arfon> Wouldn't that overwrite some /etc files that he may have modified?
[17:00] <Skywise> i don't think so
[17:00] Action: thrice` would reinstall
[17:01] <arfon> Just upgrade to 13.1.  13.1 is {{{WONDERFUL}}}
[17:01] <shonudo> i would just run it until tomorrow and install 13.1
[17:01] <Skywise> he wouldn't have to reconfigure lilo or do his network configuration over
[17:01] <arfon> I <3 13.1
[17:01] <shonudo> teckan, why tomorrow and not today?
[17:01] <thrice`> grep usr/bin /var/log/packages/* | cut -d: -f2 | cut -d / -f3 | sort | uniq
[17:01] <thrice`> or pipe something like that to slackpkg
[17:02] <Skywise> what do today what you can put off until tomorrow
[17:02] <Skywise> er why
[17:02] <arfon> HA HA!  We knew what you meant
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[17:02] <shonudo> you could have waited until tomorrow to correct that typo
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[17:02] <Skywise> lol
[17:02] <arfon> cron job that
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[17:04] <arfon> Bash has a sleep command?
[17:04] <shonudo> yeah
[17:04] <Skywise> yeah
[17:04] <shonudo> why?
[17:04] <Skywise> its like wait
[17:04] <shonudo> yup
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[17:05] <arfon> I was just being [more] stupid in my head...
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[17:05] <shonudo> sleep + [value]
[17:05] <shonudo> arfon, you seem pretty up on your bash...
[17:05] <arfon> Sleep 172800; tr /what/when/   (? tr syntax)
[17:06] <shonudo> (no, no joke follows that line)
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[17:06] <arfon> No, like most things, I know what I use alot but I CONSTANTLY have to look up things
[17:06] <shonudo> same
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[17:06] <shonudo> frustrating, actually
[17:07] <arfon> Worst part, man pages are useless to me...  I need examples :(
[17:07] <shonudo> with me it's more having done something and nailed it, then not having done it for a while and having to seemingly relearn it from scratch
[17:07] <arfon> Yep....
[17:08] <arfon> I keep copies of all my scripts so I can borrow from them
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[17:08] <shonudo> i've taken to making notes, although sometimes i go back and read what i've written...
[17:08] <shonudo> and wonder who wrote that gibberish
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[17:08] <arfon> Yep.
[17:08] <arfon> I do that in wiki form
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[17:09] <arfon> wikispaces.com is my friend
[17:09] <arfon> Tiddlywiki also
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[17:18] <shonudo> hey Zaythan, what's up?
[17:18] <Zaythan> nada
[17:18] <shonudo> why the dcc and the transfer?
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[17:19] <Zaythan> hahah cause im still learning what im doing in IRC :)
[17:19] <shonudo> lmfao
[17:19] <shonudo> rofl
[17:19] <shonudo> well, don't "learn" on me
[17:19] <Zaythan> hahahah sorry it was really a miss click
[17:19] <m3tti> cheers everybody
[17:19] <shonudo> hey m3tti
[17:19] <Zaythan> howdy
[17:20] <m3tti> a nice bottle of alcoholfree weisbeer
[17:20] <m3tti> XD
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[17:22] <Zaythan> hey i have been getting alotta mixed reviews on KDE 4.5 i am gettin ready 2 switch to slack full time; and was curious how good is it?? or should i just go w/ xfce??
[17:22] <m3tti> Zaythan: i like the slackware kde 4.4 it's realy great works fine
[17:22] <mako-sama> Zaythan: first switch to slack, then decide which DE you want to use
[17:22] <shonudo> go with kde4, and as others have said, take a bit of time with it
[17:22] <shonudo> you may like it
[17:22] <mako-sama> although KDE on slack works nicely, afaict
[17:23] <m3tti> yeah i've switched to nerly every distro debian, gentoo etc
[17:23] <m3tti> and best integration with less struggle was slackware. Gentoo worked also quite good but compile time for kde is
[17:24] <m3tti> you know very time consuming XD
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[17:29] <arfon> Anyone know if a 3u rack chassis uses a regular atx powersupply?
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[17:36] <teckan> cd #matroska
[17:36] <teckan> ups
[17:36] <teckan> sorry
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[17:41] <bitlord> No such file or directory
[17:41] <bitlord> :D
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[17:46] <gbonvehi> yeah, he forgot to escape it :)
[17:47] <arfon> You do not have permission to view this directory
[17:50] <teckan> :)
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[17:53] <phrag> computer says *no&
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[18:03] <ikhider> greetings, I am trying to install audacity and get the following error: audacity: error while loading shared libraries: libSoundTouch.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:03] <ikhider> Any ideas?
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[18:05] <arfon> ikhider, you left before I got finished yesterday
[18:05] <ikhider> arfon: Were you not the one who had to leave?
[18:05] <powtrix> reinstall soundtouch
[18:05] <arfon> ikhider, pm me plz
[18:05] <ikhider> powtrix: I did...several times
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[18:05] <powtrix> recompile again audacity
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[18:06] <ikhider> powtrix: I did, 8 times--and I am not being a smartass--I did it 8 times. Using Alienbob and the conventional build
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[18:07] <arfon> ikhider?
[18:07] <ikhider> arfon: Sorry, how do I get to another screen on irssi?
[18:07] <arfon> ALT+number
[18:08] <arfon> probably ALT4
[18:08] <phrag> ctl+a ctl+c
[18:08] <phrag> ctl+a c
[18:08] <phrag> sorry =P
[18:08] <rob0> haha you're both answering different questions
[18:08] <arfon> :)
[18:08] <ikhider> does not work on this 'puter...
[18:08] <arfon> ALT+4 doesn't???
[18:08] <ikhider> arfon: No
[18:08] <phrag> ctl+a c
[18:09] <slakmagik> try 'escape-digit'
[18:09] <arfon> I built the packages for you but I don't want to post them here
[18:09] <phrag> wait, wtf question is this? not screen, ignore me =P
[18:09] <ikhider> escape digit works!
[18:09] <arfon> IRSSI Phrag
[18:09] <phrag> <--fail
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[18:11] <arfon> ikhider, did you get my msg?
[18:11] <ikhider> arfon: Yeah, looks like a no-go
[18:11] <ikhider> Slackware does not really work on my laptop
[18:11] <ikhider> Time to switch distros
[18:11] <arfon> Later slackers
[18:11] <ikhider> Three days is enough to install audacity
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[18:15] <jg71> ikhider: 3 days .... thats not even 100th of a year ... cmon give it one more try
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[18:17] <ikhider> jg71: I tried installing audacity and get these errors nobody has ever heard of
[18:17] <ikhider> It looks like a sign
[18:18] <ikhider> "crawl back to ubuntu"
[18:19] <jg71> sounds like a plan
[18:20] <ikhider> jg71: I tried alienbob's install and the conventional one--and sort of need Audacity
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[18:22] <ikhider> Do you know what this means: " error while loading shared libraries: libSoundTouch.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
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[18:24] <ikhider> Last year I ran Slackware and audacity was relatively painless to install
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[18:25] <rabbitear> ikhider: a> you need to run ldconfig, but most likely the file is plain not there
[18:25] <adrien> you used a prebuilt package which doesn't match your system
[18:25] <chance22> I installed audacity about a year ago under Slackware 13.0, upgraded to 13.1 since then. I do recall it being necessary to install a great number of dependencies.
[18:25] <adrien> slackbuilds.org, or I think alienBOB has an audacity package
[18:26] <ikhider> rabbitear: Which file is not there?
[18:26] <rabbitear> ikhider: you need to add that library, or build from source
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[18:26] <rabbitear> ikhider: libSoundTouch.so.1
[18:26] <ikhider> rabbitear: Is that different from soundtouch?
[18:26] <rabbitear> I know slackware doesn't default with SoundTouch
[18:27] <rabbitear> ikhider: verify that you have it?
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[18:27] <rabbitear> normally stuff like that is in /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib
[18:27] <ikhider> I have soundtouch--as I installed it, and then removed, and then re-installed. There is a Slackbuild for it even.
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[18:32] <ikhider> Soundtouch is apparently not even needed according to the Slackbuilds site--it is an optional install
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[18:35] <rabbitear> ikhider: like adrien says, it points to a different place
[18:35] <rabbitear> ikhider: might be able to create a symlink
[18:36] <ikhider> I tried ldconfig too
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[18:45] <tank-man> Hi, I ran this command "apropos ksyms" and it displayed some info and then tried "man ksyms" and got no man page, does this seem weird?
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[18:49] <sahk0> tank-man: on Slackware?
[18:49] <tank-man> yea
[18:50] <sahk0> what version?
[18:50] <tank-man> 12.2
[18:53] <sahk0> no it doesnt seem weird. i dont get any results in apropos either
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[18:54] <sahk0> whats weird is that you do
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[19:01] <arfon> ikhider, did the packages work?
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[19:09] <m3tti> hrm does it work ???
[19:09] <m3tti> no :-(
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[19:12] <pim_> Hello, I first do su -, so that I am root. Then I do /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd start
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[19:12] <pim_> then I get: Permission denied.
[19:12] <pim_> how is that possible?
[19:12] <phrag> chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd
[19:12] <am0rphis> sh /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd start
[19:12] <phrag> it's not marked executable
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[19:13] <gbonvehi> just a warning (or tip) if you mark it as executable it will run on startup
[19:13] <phrag> if it were, it would start on normal boot
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[19:14] <pim_> well thanks for the hint
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[19:16] <ikhider> arfon: Dude, I installed them from the start.
[19:16] <ikhider> You kidding me?
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[19:17] <arfon> You could not have installed them because I didn't finish compiling them until after you left
[19:17] <ikhider> arfon: I installed them all from teh start
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[19:17] <ikhider> As of two days ago
[19:17] <arfon> You instaled MY packages?
[19:18] <arfon> The ones I compiled yesterday AFTER you left?
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[19:19] <KaMii> modprobe starts a module, how do I stop a module?
[19:20] <arfon> rmmod
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[19:20] <KaMii> thank you, you would think google would be smarter....
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[19:21] <neonflux> or modprobe -r
[19:21] <KaMii> i still cannot get this palmpilot to sync with my user
[19:21] <KaMii> it will sync with root, and i have made about a million rules in udev
[19:21] <KaMii> none work
[19:22] <KaMii> i have chmodded half of the devices on my computer
[19:22] <KaMii> nothing
[19:22] <KaMii> i chmodded so much, my system is probaly horridly unsecure by now
[19:22] <arfon> did you check the log files?
[19:22] <adaptr> that was...unsmart
[19:23] <KaMii> yes i checked the log files
[19:23] <KaMii> they dont say anything usefull at all
[19:23] <adaptr> "linux remove module" yields about 4 million results. the first 10 all mention rmmod.
[19:23] <shonudo> how old is thins install, KaMii?
[19:23] <shonudo> this*
[19:23] <KaMii> you would think someone over at jpilot would have written a script by now
[19:23] <KaMii> what install?
[19:23] <shonudo> slackware
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[19:24] <KaMii> 12.1
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[19:24] <KaMii> slackintosh
[19:24] <arfon> Blech
[19:24] <shonudo> no, how long since you installed it?
[19:24] <KaMii> 2 days ago?
[19:24] <shonudo> if you did in fact change permissions all over the place, i'd say it's time to reinstall it
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[19:24] <KaMii> im not doing that
[19:25] <KaMii> i can care less about that computer
[19:25] <KaMii> someone wants to hack it, go for it
[19:25] <KaMii> still gotta get past my firewall
[19:25] <KaMii> and i only chmodded usb ports
[19:25] <sahk0> zonealarm?
[19:25] <KaMii> so i think im ok
[19:26] <KaMii> i just created about a million symlinks and chmods
[19:26] <KaMii> udev is a bitch
[19:26] <arfon> What app are you trying to sync with?
[19:26] <KaMii> jpilot
[19:26] <KaMii> i even tried pilot-xfer
[19:27] <KaMii> both fail with user
[19:27] <KaMii> both work with root
[19:27] <shonudo> that's new information
[19:27] <arfon> is jpilot a console app or GUI?
[19:27] <KaMii> ya, the root thing is new
[19:27] <shonudo> gui arfon
[19:27] <KaMii> gui
[19:27] <arfon> Start it from console and see what it compalins about\
[19:27] <KaMii> looks very similar to the palm OS gui
[19:27] <KaMii> for their thingy
[19:28] <KaMii> whatever they call it, palm desktop i think
[19:28] <shonudo> KaMii, start from console as arfon recommended
[19:28] <shonudo> read the printout
[19:28] <KaMii> there are no complints
[19:28] <KaMii> logs anything
[19:28] <KaMii> nothing
[19:28] <KaMii> even in root
[19:28] <KaMii> nothing
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[19:28] <KaMii> thas the thing that sucks about it
[19:29] <shonudo> not sure we're talking about the same thing
[19:29] <shonudo> you have jpilot
[19:29] <shonudo> go to terminal
[19:29] <KaMii> i am in terminal
[19:29] <shonudo> type: jpilot
[19:29] <KaMii> i did that
[19:29] <shonudo> and?
[19:29] <arfon> Are you watching the console as you try and sync?
[19:29] <KaMii> and terminal NEVER reports a thing
[19:29] <KaMii> yes I am
[19:29] <KaMii> thats what sucks about this, there is no reporting
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[19:29] <KaMii> ever
[19:29] <shonudo> does jpilot start?
[19:30] <KaMii> yes
[19:30] <shonudo> okay, so no report would be the norm
[19:30] <KaMii> and clicking of buttons results in no messages
[19:30] <arfon> But it doesn't see your palm device?
[19:30] <KaMii> dmesg reports there is a palm present
[19:30] <KaMii> but thats it
[19:30] <KaMii> it sees it, my palm sees the computer
[19:30] <arfon> It's a permissions problem...
[19:30] <KaMii> but they dont talk to eachother in user
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[19:31] <shonudo> but it DOES sync when you start jpilot as root?
[19:31] <KaMii> ya, i know its a permissions problem, but i cant get past it, I cant find any log to tell me what permisson is being denied
[19:31] <arfon> Look in /etc/group, is there a palm group or something like that?
[19:31] <KaMii> yes shonudo it works great in root
[19:31] <shonudo> so it's a permissions problem
[19:32] <shonudo> me, i'd just run jpilot as root and be done with it
[19:32] <shonudo> i see no security problems in running that particular app as root
[19:32] <KaMii> no palm, handspring, pilot, or visor group
[19:32] <Patero-ng> the internet is not private brian
[19:32] <KaMii> well the reason why i dont want to run it in root is becaues then it syncs the calendar and all my settings in root account
[19:32] <KaMii> not my users account
[19:33] <arfon> can you sudo it?
[19:33] <shonudo> indeed
[19:33] <KaMii> my calendar?
[19:33] <KaMii> and email
[19:33] <KaMii> and all that crap?
[19:33] <KaMii> thats not really fixing the issue, its more me abandoning and telling palm they win
[19:34] <Patero-ng> sudo isnot secure
[19:34] <Patero-ng> it doesn't require password
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[19:34] <adaptr> um
[19:34] <KaMii> oh you mean sudo into jpilot?
[19:34] <Patero-ng> why don't u guys use su enter password do ur stuff and then get the hell out
[19:34] <KaMii> wont that still run it into root?
[19:34] <arfon> That will, run it as sudo
[19:34] <KaMii> because Patero-ng as I said, that wil put all the files in root, and I want them in user
[19:35] <adaptr> KaMii: it will, and as such, if it is dependent on your home directory for sync locations, it won't work
[19:35] <thrice`> sudo definitely requires a password by default
[19:35] <KaMii> no point hot syncing if I can never use them
[19:35] <Patero-ng> u can move them doh
[19:35] <adaptr> thrice`: your own. he meant the root password
[19:35] <adaptr> if somebody managed to hack your account, they can probably enter your password a second time
[19:35] <KaMii> im not going to hotsync, move, chmod, and do whatever else has to be done to get them to function under my user
[19:35] <KaMii> every singe time I hotsynce
[19:36] <KaMii> i just need to find that permission and change it
[19:36] <KaMii> but how?
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[19:36] <shonudo> run this (even if you think you have run it): #chmod 0666 /dev/ttyUSB0
[19:36] <shonudo> 		#chmod 0666 /dev/ttyUSB1
[19:37] Nick change: iPerl -> IpErL
[19:37] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[19:37] <Patero-ng> iPhail
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[19:38] <KaMii> that didnt work either
[19:38] <adaptr> iCringe
[19:38] <shonudo> cd /dev and try: ln -s /dev/ttyUSB1 pilot (or ln -s ttyUSB1 pilot)
[19:38] <shonudo> 		ln -s /devttyUSB1 palm (or ln -s ttyUSB1 palm)
[19:38] <KaMii> is there a group I can add my user to that will guarantee udev access?
[19:38] <adaptr> plugdev
[19:38] <KaMii> already in that one
[19:38] <adaptr> that's it
[19:38] <KaMii> then why?
[19:39] <Patero-ng> KaMii, dude
[19:39] <Patero-ng> set ur binary to uid
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[19:39] <shonudo> kamii, where can i paste some info for you?
[19:39] <arfon> KaMii, Jpilot apparently has no dependenancies, why don't you grab the latest slackbuild (13.1) and se if the newest jpilot builds on yor system?
[19:40] <shonudo> hell, let me PM it
[19:41] <shonudo> it's not that much stuff, but try it
[19:41] <KaMii> pastebin is always a good place
[19:42] <shonudo> wasn't that much stuff
[19:42] <shonudo> just didn't want to post to channel
[19:42] <shonudo> i PMed the info to you
[19:42] <KaMii> i am using the latest jpilot
[19:42] <KaMii> i built it myself the other day
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[19:43] <arfon> KaMii, look at the first post on page 2 (SOLVED): http://forum.vectorlinux.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=df5ca3a481f8002805511cb043db9c00&topic=10355.15
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[19:45] <Patero-ng> this looks geeky
[19:46] <KaMii> haha
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[19:46] <KaMii> umm i need to get this to my other comptuer so I can cp paste
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[19:47] <riza> Hi, if I have a hard link, file1 to file2, and I modify file1, is it normal that it breaks the hard link to file2?
[19:47] <riza> file2 should be modified too right?
[19:48] <adaptr> riza: there is only one file.
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[19:48] <riza> Hm yep.
[19:48] <riza> I don't know why then, accessing file2 is not doable./
[19:48] <Patero-ng> something bout ttyusb permissions kinnda like mount -o
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[19:50] <thrice`> ttyusb isn't a typical device node afaik
[19:51] <adaptr> it's not a device node at all. mine are called /dev/usbdev1.1 etc.
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[19:51] <adaptr> and they're normal character devices
[19:51] <KaMii> i think i know why he had to rebood
[19:52] <KaMii> he didnt reload the rules with udev
[19:52] <KaMii> trying it
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[19:52] <arfon> he?
[19:52] <arfon> Is KaMii 2 ppl?
[19:52] <KaMii> noto
[19:52] <KaMii> nope
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[19:52] <KaMii> not suprised either
[19:52] <Xgates> hey guys
[19:52] <KaMii> im one person
[19:52] <arfon> Ka and Mii?
[19:53] <KaMii> more like kaMiiKaZii
[19:53] <KaMii> hahahaha
[19:53] <Xgates> anyone here using pcmanfm 0.5.2?
[19:53] <riza> This is strange. I start over. I make a text file. It's empty. I ln "ln file1 file2", then I see two files, both empty. Then I edit with emacs file1. It should change file2 too but it doesn't, what's going on?
[19:53] <KaMii> ok i will try his reboot thing
[19:54] <KaMii> how do i find out what groups udev is in?
[19:54] <KaMii> groups udev doesnt work
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[19:58] <adaptr> udev runs as root
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[19:58] <KaMii> but that page said udev was in a devices group on his system
[19:58] <KaMii> and he said to check what groups it is in and add your user to that group
[20:00] <adaptr> udev runs as root:root on my system, perhaps it changed
[20:00] <KaMii> how do i check?
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[20:01] <adaptr> um.. ps fax |grep udev ?
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[20:03] <Dominian> FYI, for those of you thinking of using GSB on Slackware 13.1: http://slackadelic.com/2010/07/21/gsb-on-slackware-13-1/
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[20:05] <BP{k}> Dominian: wait so you don't have to use 12.1 or so with dropline?
[20:06] <arfon> KaMii, did you add yorself to the uucp group?
[20:06] <Dominian> BP{k}: nope!
[20:06] <BP{k}> Dominian: Awesome!
[20:08] <sahk0> i know that GSB replaces(d) at least 1 Slackware package without saying so. its been reported, but i doubt its fixed. the package is gnome-doc-utils
[20:08] <KaMii> and FAIL!!!!!!!!!!
[20:08] <KaMii> gawd i hate this
[20:08] <arfon> KaMii?
[20:08] <KaMii> yes?
[20:08] <arfon> Did you add yourself to the uucp group?
[20:08] <KaMii> no
[20:08] <arfon> add yourself then logout/in
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[20:10] <KaMii> that took me out of plugdev
[20:10] <KaMii> how did adding me to uucp remove me from plugdev?
[20:10] <chipster> BP{k}: lol
[20:10] <raela> ydiw
[20:10] <phrag> 1/
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[20:11] <arfon> KaMii, just edit the /etc/group file
[20:12] <thrice`> noo, this is what 'gpasswd' is for
[20:13] <KaMii> thta did not help either
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[20:13] <arfon> KaMii, can you cat /etc/group | grep USERNAME and post to channel?
[20:14] <shonudo> or to pastebin, no?
[20:14] <KaMii> ya let me ssh into it
[20:14] <arfon> He should oly have 3 lines
[20:14] <arfon> users, plugdev and uucp
[20:15] <arfon> Heck, I just posted 3 lines there :)\
[20:15] <KaMii> uucp:x:14:uucp,myusername
[20:15] <KaMii> so... that means now im no longer in users?
[20:15] <KaMii> no, when i type groups myusername
[20:15] <raela> cat / less the file and check
[20:15] <KaMii> i get users uucp
[20:15] <shonudo> it means you've died
[20:15] <shonudo> arfon killed you
[20:15] <shonudo> with code
[20:16] <KaMii> probably
[20:16] <KaMii> why cant i just put myself in a group that owns udev
[20:16] <KaMii> and be done with it
[20:16] <arfon> BWA HA HA HA
[20:16] <KaMii> udev OBEY ME or i will tell your mommy
[20:17] <thrice`> are you still trying to interact with /dev/ttyusb-crap
[20:17] <thrice`> ?
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[20:17] <shonudo> thrice`, yeah
[20:17] <KaMii> yes
[20:17] <shonudo> it's like an opera
[20:17] <KaMii> i will do this until i win or udev dies
[20:17] <thrice`> you are expecting to just mount it?
[20:17] <shonudo> see what  i mean?
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[20:17] <KaMii> mount it?
[20:17] <Patero-ng> KaMii, lool u still @ it
[20:18] <KaMii> i never give up
[20:18] <Patero-ng> KaMii, dude u canmount using the user option
[20:18] <shonudo> in act two, it SEEMS udev has died, but it's actually a trick
[20:18] <shonudo> udev has taken over the castle
[20:18] <KaMii> it might kill me, but I wont die (as the bad japanese manga says)
[20:19] Action: KaMii is about to removepkg udev haha
[20:19] <KaMii> mv udev bitch
[20:19] <thrice`> you can see what udev is doing, but running "udevadm monitor --udev --property'  and plugging it in
[20:19] <Dominian> sahk0: If it does replace that file, it doesn't seem to affect anything
[20:19] <shonudo> there's hacking and then there's just hacking away
[20:20] <shonudo> just hacking away won't solve anything, KaMii
[20:21] <KaMii> monitor unrecognized --property
[20:21] <arfon> http://pastebin.com/V6P9xdzW
[20:21] <adaptr> shonudo: it does when I hack on it!
[20:21] <sahk0> Dominian: yeah i didnt say it does. it would be nice to be documented though.
[20:21] <shonudo> heh
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[20:22] <Dominian> sahk0: http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/gsb/gsb-2.30_slackware-13.1/SLACKWARE_REPLACED_PACKAGES.TXT
[20:22] <Dominian> sahk0: it is
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[20:22] <Dominian> sahk0: its actually linked here: http://gnomeslackbuild.org/about/  under Replaced Packages List
[20:23] <sahk0> Dominian: erm no its not
[20:23] <Dominian> sahk0: uhh yes it is
[20:23] <sahk0> gnome-doc-utils
[20:23] <Dominian> now you're going to make me fire up virtualbox
[20:23] <Dominian> that list is what is replaced
[20:24] <KaMii> pastebin.com/VcTrUr0v
[20:24] <KaMii> thats the output of that udevadm
[20:24] <chipster> sahk0 is correct.  that document needs a minor update
[20:24] <Dominian> chipster: then updat eit punk!
[20:24] <Dominian> hehe
[20:24] <chipster> It's updated - it needs to be sync'd by Steve :)
[20:24] <Dominian> hehe
[20:24] <Dominian> sahk0: awesome thanks for pointing that out
[20:24] <chipster> Sorry about that :)
[20:25] <sahk0> Dominian: the package is named differently in Slack, so it doesnt replace it as a  package, but files get replaced. its trivial, i know
[20:25] <Dominian> sahk0: No, its a good thing to know!
[20:25] <chipster> still, you're spot on sahk0
[20:25] <Dominian> If people don't tell anyone what's broken, or prove it, how can they fix anything!?
[20:25] <Dominian> :)
[20:25] Action: chipster will bugger steve to get that out to the mirrors
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[20:26] <sahk0> maybe next time you can get Pat to include the latest package version, or MoZes who maintains linuxdoc in Slackware so there is no need to replace, or even build it yourself
[20:26] <sahk0> :p
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[20:27] <chipster> sahk0: yeah - it's pretty tough tracking -current to make sure we're reamining lean and non-intrusive.  It's def. getting a lot better with each release (the collaboration)
[20:27] <chipster> remaining, rather.
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[20:28] Action: KaMii likes reaming better
[20:28] <KaMii> shonudo: did any of that pastebin make sense?
[20:28] <shonudo> which one?
[20:28] <KaMii> pastebin.com/VcTrUr0v
[20:28] <shonudo> post the link
[20:29] <shonudo> i've been reading up on gnomish stuff
[20:29] <skycrash> shadowx: Pat never came here?
[20:29] Action: KaMii is a level 80 gnome warlock
[20:29] <skycrash> ops
[20:29] <skycrash> sahk0: Pat never came here?
[20:29] <sahk0> chipster: nice to know that
[20:29] <Dominian> skycrash: PV pops in every so often
[20:29] <KaMii> whats pats username, i never seen him in here
[20:30] <ananke> 'volkerdi'
[20:30] <Dominian> volkerdi
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[20:30] <KaMii> if he does get in here, he of all people should beable to help with this dumb udev crap
[20:31] <skycrash> Dominian: cool, im new here :D
[20:31] <Dominian> sometimes I wish I were new
[20:31] <adaptr> Dominian: you'll always be new to me
[20:31] <Dominian> adaptr: oh eat me
[20:31] <Dominian> :)
[20:31] <KaMii> canibal
[20:32] <Dominian> no adaptr stalks me.. every channel.. swear
[20:32] <Dominian> :)
[20:32] Action: chipster refrains
[20:32] <adaptr> indeed I do.. and it's starting to pay off
[20:32] <Dominian> shhh
[20:32] <KaMii> Dominian: make your own room +s
[20:32] <shonudo> how so?
[20:32] <Dominian> KaMii: Its a shame that <sarcasm> doesn't come across on IRC..
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[20:32] <KaMii> i know im still waiting for that sarcasm font
[20:33] <KaMii> but you should know, all sarcasm is wasted on swedish people
[20:33] <thumbs> KaMii: heh?
[20:33] <Dominian> oh damn
[20:33] <Dominian> he's a swede!
[20:33] <KaMii> she
[20:33] <Dominian> er.
[20:33] Action: KaMii is a girl person
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[20:33] <Dominian> wow... she's a swede!
[20:33] <raela> everyone's a he on IRC
[20:33] <adaptr> doublefail! muahahah
[20:33] <Dominian> yeah I'm so screwed
[20:33] <adaptr> raela: even you ?
[20:33] Action: Dominian gives up
[20:33] <shonudo> raela, indeed
[20:34] <shonudo> even the bots
[20:34] <KaMii> everyone is genderless on internet
[20:34] <KaMii> maybe im a hermaphrodite
[20:34] <raela> adaptr: indeed. everyone knows I talk about my penis all the time
[20:34] <SpartanVI> ew
[20:34] <shonudo> tmi
[20:34] Action: chipster refrains
[20:34] <BP{k}> raela: !OT ;)
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[20:34] <adaptr> raela: who did you get it from!
[20:34] <shonudo> lol
[20:34] Action: adaptr begins to fear
[20:34] <raela> adaptr: my victims.
[20:34] <raela> BP{k}: yeah yeah
[20:34] <SpartanVI> anyways, I need help with mplayer... anyone?
[20:35] <KaMii> so no luck in me gaining 100% control over udev?
[20:35] <chipster> raela is the new meaning to perl's `chomp`
[20:35] <raela> KaMii: did you read the entire manpage / all docs / google?
[20:35] <KaMii> well im still trying to read all of google but its gonna take awhile
[20:36] <KaMii> like, my whole damn life
[20:36] <SpartanVI> anyone?
[20:36] <adaptr> SpartanVI: no, no help.
[20:36] <thumbs> SpartanVI: ask your question?
[20:36] <chipster> SpartanVI: how about stating the problem?
[20:36] <KaMii> gotta be more specific in here SpartanVI
[20:36] <chipster> 3x!
[20:36] <chipster> 4x!
[20:37] <SpartanVI> can anyone help me with a troublesome Mplayer?
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[20:37] <thrice`> SpartanVI, yes, ask a real question
[20:37] <adaptr> SpartanVI: ditch it and date windows media player instead. it's sexuhh
[20:37] <KaMii> omfg
[20:37] <KaMii> he didnt just say that
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[20:38] <adaptr> KaMii: you have a bad mouth, for a lady - even a swedish lady
[20:38] <kingbeowulf> anyone here fool with frostwire?  thought this resolved but its back (slack64 13.1).  closing frostwire ist stays open can kill process but it still is there but disappears from 'ps -A'
[20:38] <KaMii> i do?
[20:38] <byteframe> In an alsa system, how can I pipe stuff to /dev/dsp, when something is alreayd playing?
[20:38] <SpartanVI> alright... well, mplayer will load the video... it will jump whenI hit the arrows... but for some reason, when it loads a video that I have saved, it won't play.  It's like, paused perminantly (and yes, I do know how to pause/unpause)
[20:39] <adaptr> byteframe: you obviously can't. somethig before /dev/dsp is responsible for multiplexing
[20:39] <byteframe> adaptr, happen to know what device?
[20:39] <chipster> SpartanVI: have you tried other videos to try and reproduce the issue>
[20:39] <adaptr> byteframe: not a device.
[20:39] <chipster> ?
[20:39] <adaptr> SpartanVI: define "have saved". it makes no sense
[20:39] <SpartanVI> did it to everything
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[20:39] <SpartanVI> movies, tv shows
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[20:39] <SpartanVI> saved in a directory
[20:40] <adaptr> mplayer plays files. it does not save files.
[20:40] <SpartanVI> common sence says that I have saved it on my HDD
[20:41] <adaptr> I don't see the relation to mplayer
[20:41] <raela> so does this mean no videos play for you?
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[20:42] <SpartanVI> pretty much, I open an avi that I've had, it will load, it will jump when I hit the arrows, there is picure, but it's like it's paused and won't unpause itself when I hut space
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[20:43] <SpartanVI> hit**
[20:43] <arfon> What does it do in Dragon Player Spartan?
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[20:44] <adaptr> what does the log say
[20:44] <SpartanVI> same thing.  it's not the files, because I watched them yesterday
[20:44] <KaMii> on what?
[20:44] <SpartanVI> the log says it's fine
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[20:44] <SpartanVI> mplayer, dragon, everything
[20:45] <arfon> His DVD player
[20:45] <KaMii> SpartanVI: what program did you use to watch them with yesterday?
[20:45] <SpartanVI> mplayer
[20:45] <KaMii> what did you do between then and when it borked?
[20:45] <KaMii> did you delete anything? remove any packages? install anything?
[20:45] <arfon> went to baaaad sites
[20:45] <shonudo> chmod anything?
[20:46] <shonudo> :)
[20:46] <KaMii> shonudo: only I do random chmodding
[20:46] <arfon> That's a good plan there K
[20:46] <shonudo> you know, sarcasm just doesn't come across on IRC
[20:46] <arfon> wut?
[20:46] <SpartanVI> hmm...
[20:47] <KaMii> what else is there to do at 3 am than do a few random chmoddings
[20:47] <SpartanVI> well, I did install snort...
[20:47] <KaMii> whats snort?
[20:47] <arfon> Fix a touch pad tap feature  :P
[20:47] <shonudo> there's good scotch to drink
[20:47] <KaMii> i did fix it arfon
[20:47] <shonudo> that's a good 3am sport
[20:47] <arfon> HOW?!?!?!
[20:47] <SpartanVI> inti network intrusion
[20:47] <SpartanVI> anti**
[20:48] <KaMii> it had nothing to do with synaptics
[20:48] <KaMii> hehe
[20:48] <arfon> [eyes KaMii]
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[20:48] <arfon> What was it?
[20:48] <KaMii> edited /etc/pbbuttons.conf
[20:48] <arfon> Gawd
[20:48] <KaMii> ya...
[20:48] <SpartanVI> um, I did download Deadliest Warrior... but I watched it on mplayer and it worked...
[20:49] <arfon> Then try editing /etc/palmdev.conf.....
[20:49] <KaMii> SpartanVI: i doubt a movie file killed mplayer
[20:49] <KaMii> is there one?
[20:49] <arfon> nop
[20:49] <arfon> no
[20:49] <adaptr> KaMii: unless he really did use windows media player
[20:49] <arfon> I'm yanking your chain
[20:49] <shonudo> it was probably the butler that killed it, SpartanVI
[20:49] <KaMii> ya, i already checked
[20:49] <KaMii> haha
[20:49] <arfon> Did you look at my last pastebin?
[20:49] <shonudo> was there a butler in the movie you were watching?
[20:50] <thrice`> http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-commits/2010-July/040742.html
[20:50] <KaMii> SpartanVI: remove snort
[20:50] <KaMii> try to use mplayer
[20:50] <thrice`> kde loses
[20:50] <KaMii> maybe its conflicting or blocking things who knows
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[20:50] <KaMii> but if it was working before you installed it, then... its a try
[20:50] <shonudo> SpartanVI, you went with SNORT?
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[20:50] <arfon> KaMii did you look at my last pastebin?
[20:51] <KaMii> what pastebin?
[20:51] <SpartanVI> shonudo: yes, short
[20:51] <KaMii> i dindt see it
[20:51] <shonudo> how is that working out for you? does it provide what you wanted?
[20:51] <SpartanVI> KaMii: snort didn't do anything
[20:51] <arfon> http://pastebin.com/V6P9xdzW
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[20:51] <SpartanVI> shonudo: yeah, actually, and then some
[20:52] <SpartanVI> shonudo: thanks
[20:52] <shonudo> i have no doubt about the "then some"
[20:52] <SpartanVI> haha
[20:52] <shonudo> dude, snort is over the top
[20:52] <KaMii> i did that already arfon
[20:52] <KaMii> didnt work
[20:52] <arfon> I still hate your machine
[20:52] <KaMii> i did a cp paste, did everything he suggested
[20:52] <shonudo> lol
[20:52] <KaMii> me too
[20:53] <SpartanVI> I stopped the two pricks next door from cracking the network like they have in the past...
[20:53] Action: arfon hgs his netbook
[20:53] <KaMii> fcking udev
[20:53] <arfon> hugs
[20:53] <shonudo> SpartanVI, nice
[20:53] <shonudo> instant gratification
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[20:53] <SpartanVI> absolutely
[20:53] <arfon> you turned on WPA?
[20:53] <KaMii> shot-gun and a wife-beater usually has the same effect
[20:54] <arfon> How do you know his neighbors K?
[20:54] <KaMii> im telepathic
[20:54] <arfon> Then fix udev
[20:54] <SpartanVI> haha
[20:54] <KaMii> udev isnt a person it has no mind i cant channel it
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[20:58] <arfon> KaMii try running 'strace -o jpilot_log.txt jpilot' ...
[20:58] <arfon> Then look at the end of that logfile to see what it says.
[20:59] <KaMii> (jpilot:2746): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[20:59] <KaMii> thats weird, because the display always opens
[21:00] <KaMii> its like, nothing is ever what we want it to be
[21:00] <shonudo> ah, phantom jpilot
[21:00] <shonudo> i saw a movie like that once
[21:00] Action: KaMii calls a priest and has him bring some holy water
[21:00] <arfon> KaMii, when you ran the strace command, did the gui actually open?
[21:01] <KaMii> let me try that again
[21:01] <arfon> Don't get holy water near your mac, it burns Macs.
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[21:01] <adaptr> iEvil ?
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[21:02] <KaMii> ya it worked that time
[21:03] <KaMii> but i cant run strace as user
[21:03] <KaMii> only as root
[21:03] Nick change: el_lobo--d-_-b -> juangvp
[21:03] <KaMii> and we know that root works to palm sync so... that doesnt help
[21:03] <arfon> I can run strace as a user.....
[21:03] Nick change: juangvp -> el_lobo--d-_-b
[21:04] <KaMii> i cant
[21:04] <KaMii> what groups are you in?
[21:04] <arfon> users...
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[21:04] <KaMii> then why do i get a permissions denied
[21:04] <arfon> when you try and run strace what does the eror say?
[21:04] <KaMii> im in users
[21:05] <KaMii> strace: can't fopen 'jpilot_log.xt': Permission denied
[21:05] <KaMii> oops .xt
[21:05] <KaMii> strace: can't fopen 'jpilot_log.txt': Permission denied
[21:06] <KaMii> well did it again, no go
[21:06] <arfon> try   strace -o ~/jpilot_log.txt jpilot
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[21:06] <KaMii> nope
[21:06] <KaMii> and there is no .txt file in ~/
[21:06] <arfon> strace creates the file
[21:07] <KaMii> well still got the permission denied
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[21:08] <KaMii> got it
[21:08] Nick change: nixchix0R -> nix_chix0r
[21:08] <arfon> try strace jpilot
[21:08] <KaMii> it wouldnt go because root already created the jpilot.txt
[21:08] <arfon> AH!!!!
[21:09] <KaMii> nothing is being output
[21:09] <arfon> as root delete jpilot.txt
[21:09] <KaMii> im trying to hotsync but nothing is being output at all
[21:09] <KaMii> again
[21:09] <arfon> did yu delete the jpilot.txt file?
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[21:11] <KaMii> ya
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[21:11] <KaMii> oh inside the log file ther is a lot of stuff
[21:11] <arfon> okay, su back to USER
[21:11] <arfon> then cd ~
[21:11] <KaMii> i will post it
[21:12] <arfon> then as USER: strace -o ~/jpilot_log.txt jpilot
[21:13] <KaMii> nevermind this file is huge
[21:13] <KaMii> and im not sure where in there i need to look
[21:13] <arfon> did you run it as USER?
[21:14] <arfon> The failure info SHOULD be near the end
[21:14] <KaMii> ok ya i see it
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[21:16] <arfon> ....and?
[21:17] <KaMii> read(7, 0x100fced4, 4096)               = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
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[21:17] <KaMii> it prints that about a thousand times or more
[21:17] <KaMii> so im guessing thats the fubar
[21:20] <KaMii> no.... because on the root log, i get that same error message also
[21:20] <KaMii> but it works in root
[21:22] <arfon> KaMii, I'm goona build it here so I can see what youre doing
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[21:27] <arfon> KaMii, I just installed jpilot
[21:27] <arfon> when I start it in console and try and sync, I get an error
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[21:27] <shonudo> do you own a palm, arfon?
[21:27] <arfon> Nope
[21:27] <shonudo> is the error message: "buy a palm"?
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[21:28] <arfon> pi_bind error: /dev/pilot No such file or directory
[21:28] <rob0> I have two of them, one on each hand.
[21:28] <arfon> I would NOT buy a palm
[21:28] <arfon> :P
[21:28] <shonudo> rob0 is palm  rambo
[21:28] <gbonvehi> rob0: and how do you type? :)
[21:28] <shonudo> lol
[21:28] <shonudo> lmao
[21:28] <arfon> Is that all you have in your hands Rob0?
[21:28] <shonudo> NO! this is bound to be tmi
[21:28] <gbonvehi> yeah, not all knowledge is good
[21:29] <arfon> Okay Kamii, really try this. Go to Slackbuild and download the 13.1 latest jpilot and SEE if it will build on your system
[21:30] <gbonvehi> just a guess KaMii and arfon, if it works as root probably it's just a permission problem
[21:30] <gbonvehi> maybe taking a look at the group owrnership of /dev/pilot?
[21:30] <arfon> It is just a permission problem but, nothing seems to work.
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[21:31] <arfon> That would be too funny if that was it
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[21:31] <gbonvehi> < KaMii> but it works in root <-- what is not working?
[21:31] <arfon> KaMii?  /dev/pilot ownership?
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[21:33] <arfon> I hope that's it.  I have to go to dinner....
[21:33] <arfon> BBL
[21:34] <arfon> hopefully
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[21:35] <skycrash> off-topic: anybody use "spamchk" in slackware ?
[21:35] <nyRednek> hey all
[21:36] <skycrash> nyRednek: hey
[21:37] <nyRednek> skycrash: don't know you, but hi
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[21:39] <skycrash> nyRednek: ;-)
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[21:39] <KaMii> arfon i built the latest jpalm already
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[21:39] <shonudo> hey nyRednek
[21:40] <KaMii> its a stoopid permissions issue
[21:40] <KaMii> how can i just tell udev to give my user 100% permissions on ALL usb forever and ever amen
[21:40] <KaMii> those rules files dont do a thing
[21:40] Nick change: surrounder -> to_be_eggmaster
[21:41] <gbonvehi> i don't know if that's handled by hal/plugdev as i lost track of that
[21:41] Nick change: to_be_eggmaster -> surrounder
[21:41] <gbonvehi> so run ls -l /dev/pilot
[21:41] <gbonvehi> and give us the output
[21:41] <KaMii> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2010-07-22 03:33 /dev/pilot -> ttyUSB1
[21:41] <gbonvehi> ok, that's a symbolink link, what about /dev/ttyUSB1
[21:41] <KaMii> root root... bah
[21:42] <KaMii> crw-rw---- 1 root users 188, 1 2010-07-22 03:33 /dev/ttyUSB
[21:42] <KaMii> root users
[21:42] <KaMii> so why am i being denied
[21:42] <gbonvehi> i guess your user is in users but just in case type groups
[21:42] <KaMii> i copied that wrong there is a 1 at the end of USB
[21:43] <KaMii> users uucp
[21:43] <KaMii> udev hates me
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[21:44] <KaMii> i was in plugdev, then i added myself to uucp and that removed me from plugdev not sure why
[21:44] <KaMii> not sure if its an issue
[21:44] <gbonvehi> you shouldn't since plugdev will enable you to handle more stuff automagically
[21:44] <KaMii> ya, well it never did anything for me
[21:45] <gbonvehi> that depends if you're using the correct software :)
[21:45] <gbonvehi> anyway... there's no science here, you're in users group
[21:45] <KaMii> whatver shipped is what i got
[21:45] <gbonvehi> users has read-write
[21:45] <KaMii> so theoretically it should work
[21:45] <KaMii> but it only works when im loged in as root
[21:46] <KaMii> never when im my user
[21:48] <ut> KaMii: still working on your palm? :(
[21:48] <KaMii> haha
[21:48] <KaMii> ya
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[21:49] <gbonvehi> KaMii: well, i'm out of ideas, i'd probably run the program as root, check the opened /dev stuff with lsof
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[21:49] <gbonvehi> to see if it is really using /dev/pilot -> /dev/ttyUSB1
[21:49] <Xgates> hey guys
[21:50] <gbonvehi> otherwise, i'm out of ideas
[21:50] <KaMii> it totally hates me
[21:50] <Xgates> say in 13.1 if I use ntfs-3g and didn't compile in ntfs support in the kernel then do we use this Hal rule? -----> http://pastebin.com/28GVrynJ
[21:51] <Xgates> crap had to reinstall Slack and I can't get my damm pcmanfm to automount my usb drive
[21:51] <Xgates> sheesh I need to really take notes on it this time....
[21:51] <KaMii> have fstab automount your ntfs-3g
[21:52] <Xgates> now that I know with pcmanfm 0.5.2 before I had no rules in fstab for my usb drives
[21:52] <KaMii> /dev/sda4        /mnt/Windoze     ntfs-3g     user,rw,umask=000 1   0
[21:52] <KaMii> thats the line in my fstab
[21:52] <Xgates> pcmanfm automounts if I can figure it out, don't need anything in fstab for it
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[21:52] <Xgates> I'm talking about automounting usb drives in a filemanager you don't need anything in fstab for this
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[21:53] <gbonvehi> Xgates: are you in the plugdev grup?
[21:53] <KaMii> ya but if it works in fstab why not use it?
[21:53] <Xgates> it's more related to polkit, hal and plugedev
[21:53] <Xgates> KaMii: cause it's not needed and redundant that's a bandaid and not the correct way
[21:53] <gbonvehi> s/grup/group
[21:54] <KaMii> i always thought fstab was the correct way for mounting things
[21:54] <Xgates> yes I'm in group/plugdev and cdrom also in /etc/login.def
[21:54] <Xgates>  CONSOLE_GROUPS          floppy:audio:video:cdrom:plugdev
[21:54] <gbonvehi> wow they changed that, nice
[21:54] <Xgates> KaMii: by hand, but we are talking about a filemanager automounting it
[21:54] <gbonvehi> i recently upgraded to 13.1 heh
[21:55] <Xgates> well I added in plugdev
[21:55] <gbonvehi> Xgates: run the groups command in some xterm
[21:55] <KaMii> filemanager or not, i always thought the correct way was to have a line in fstab
[21:55] <gbonvehi> and see if it figures correctly
[21:56] <gbonvehi> KaMii: fstab is not very well suited for usb drives
[21:56] <Xgates> then in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/ I did this:
[21:56] <Xgates> http://pastebin.com/i4fKCCgL
[21:56] <KaMii> works for me, never had any problems with it
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[21:56] <Xgates> I can mount it as root just fine in the term
[21:56] <KaMii> maybe i should add my palm to fstab
[21:56] <KaMii> haha
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[21:57] <Xgates> gbonvehi: what ya mean run the groups cmd
[21:57] <Xgates> I just edit groups by hand and add in myself
[21:57] <KaMii> log in as your user type groups
[21:57] <Xgates> sar@slackware:~$ groups
[21:57] <Xgates> users floppy audio video cdrom plugdev netdev scanner
[21:58] <KaMii> now log out and log in
[21:58] <Xgates> by the way I'm only using OpenBox not KDE or Gnome
[21:58] <Xgates> I've logged in and out 20 times
[21:58] <Xgates> lol
[21:58] <KaMii> but you just added yourself to a new group
[21:58] <gbonvehi> Xgates: ok, good, and do you have that device listed in fstab? if you do, it won't automount it
[21:58] <Xgates> No I didn't I added myself to the groups an hour ago
[21:59] <gbonvehi> also check that hald is runnig :)
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[22:00] <Xgates> pcmanfm does not need any entry in fstab I had this running before without any entry in fstab, but I had to reinstall Slack and I didn't think to take notes on this because I thought I had it remembered but I do know for a fact I never had any entry for fstab and it's not needed
[22:00] <KaMii> what do you mean it wont automount?  it will if you have the auto switch
[22:01] <Xgates> if I type top I don't see anything but in ps aux I got this:
[22:01] <gbonvehi> KaMii: verbatim from the explanation file as i'm not that good @ english: HAL will honor settings in /etc/fstab if a device is present there, so you could technically have removable devices defined in /etc/fstab, but if the fstab settings do not allow normal users to mount them (with the  "user" or "users" option), then HAL/dbus will not allow them
[22:01] <gbonvehi> you get the idea
[22:01] <Xgates>  hald-runner
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[22:02] <Xgates> hald-addon-input: Listening on /dev/input/event1 /dev/input/event4 /dev/input/event2 /dev/input/event6 /dev/input/event7 /dev/input/event5
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[22:02] <Xgates> KaMii: auto switch?
[22:02] <KaMii> yes gbonvehi that makes sense thats why i said it will automount if you have the switches in place (and yes you need to be in the group)
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[22:03] <KaMii> Xgates: user,rw,auto
[22:03] <KaMii> those are switches, it says, user can mount, rw, and it will automount
[22:04] <Xgates> KaMii: we're not talking about keeping a usb drive plugged in when you reboot and then having it automount we're talking about sitting on your dekstop and then pluggin in the usb and having it show up in the filemanger
[22:04] <KaMii> rw/read write
[22:04] <KaMii> ya, and mine does that Xgates
[22:04] <KaMii> and its only in fstab
[22:04] <KaMii> always worked just fine
[22:05] <KaMii> /dev/sda4        /mnt/Windoze     ntfs-3g     user,rw,umask=000 1   0
[22:05] <Xgates> I used 13.1 since it came out and had pcmanfm automount the usb drive when I plugged it in and like I mentioned before I never had any fstab entry so I know for a fact I don't need it, it's not the problem
[22:05] <KaMii> thats the line in my fstab for my ntfs-39
[22:05] <Xgates> KaMii: fstab is not the issue ok
[22:05] <KaMii> when I plug it in, file manager shows up
[22:06] <KaMii> when i want to unplug it, i either rightclick on the icon and say eject or i umount from the teminal
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[22:07] <gbonvehi> KaMii: he is rigth that is not necessary and you're assuming that the usb device you plug always ends up in /dev/sda with the windows partition being the 4th
[22:07] <gbonvehi> that of course, won't be always the case with usb drives
[22:07] <Xgates> if you used pcmanfm then you'd know, this is a polkit or hal issue that I need to figure out is all
[22:08] <Xgates> been there done it before BUT I didn't take notes on it I thought I had it remembered
[22:08] <Isis___> hello, did anybody try to install a gnome on a 32b plattform? I've checked gnomeslackbuild but im not sure wether it would run... any advice?
[22:09] <gbonvehi> Isis___: i did it long time ago with slack 12.2 and it worked correctly, but i don't know the current state
[22:09] <KaMii> ive never had any issues of usb devices going to the wrong place
[22:09] <thrice`> Isis___, they release each a 64-bit and 32-bit set of packages
[22:09] <Xgates> first question if using ntfs-3g do we need this HAL rule?
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[22:09] <Xgates> /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-ntfs-policy.fdi
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[22:09] <Xgates> http://pastebin.com/28GVrynJ
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[22:10] <Isis___> thanks both, i will try, now i see it is suggesting to upgrade the whole glib and gtk libraries, i hope they dont get in any mess
[22:11] <KaMii> i have no ntfs hal rule
[22:11] <Xgates> but do you not have ntfs compiled in the kernel and you are only using ntfs-3g?
[22:11] <Xgates> I don't have ntfs in the kernel
[22:12] <KaMii> whatever came with 13.1 kernel
[22:12] <KaMii> if it was built with it, idk
[22:12] <KaMii> i touched nothing in my kernel
[22:12] <KaMii> regarding ntfs
[22:12] <Xgates> I don't use ntfs in the kerne
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[22:13] <Xgates> kernel...
[22:13] <KaMii> i think you need that in the kernel
[22:13] <KaMii> or it wont reconize
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[22:13] <Xgates> nope didn't use it before just ntfs-3g
[22:13] <KaMii> but im not 100%
[22:13] <Xgates> I am :)
[22:13] <KaMii> then why did you ask?
[22:14] <Xgates> I said I am with you not needin ntfs in the kernel
[22:14] <Xgates> you don't need...
[22:14] <Xgates> you just have to have ntfs-3g installed and in fstab
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[22:14] <Xgates> /dev/sda2        /mnt/c           ntfs-3g     umask=022             1   0
[22:15] <antiwire> is this your own kernel?
[22:15] <Xgates> here's my C drive on Win7 when I'm logged in:
[22:15] <Xgates> sar@slackware:/mnt/c$ ls
[22:15] <Xgates> $Recycle.Bin/  Documents\ and\ Settings@  PerfLogs/  Program\ Files/  Program\ Files\ (x86)/  ProgramData/  Recovery/  System\ Volume\ Information/  Users/  Windows/  bootsqm.dat*  hiberfil.sys*  pagefile.sys*  temp/
[22:15] <KaMii> and who was talking about fstab all this time?
[22:15] <Xgates> no at the moment I'm using huge-smp to make sure I get it working before messing on mine
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[22:15] <Xgates> I'm not talking about FSTAB for usb automounting :)
[22:15] <Xgates> you are ;p
[22:16] <KaMii> <Xgates> you just have to have ntfs-3g installed and in fstab
[22:16] <Xgates> that's my C drive on Win7 I have dual boot
[22:17] <KaMii> and we were suppose to know this how?
[22:17] <Xgates> if you're dual booting then yes use FSTAB to mount your Windows drives,  IF you are using a Filemanger automounting occurs in the Filemanger through either HAL, GVFS or other means.... not fstab
[22:18] <Xgates> Auotmounting through a Filemanger never occurs through FSTAVB
[22:18] <Xgates> fstab....
[22:18] <rworkman> If the drive isn't hotpluggable, then it needs to be in fstab
[22:18] <Xgates> usb mass storage, since when is that not hotpluggable :)
[22:18] <rworkman> Is the drive inside the computer case?
[22:18] <rworkman> Can you remove it while the machine is running?
[22:19] <Xgates> I'm talking about portable usb
[22:19] <rworkman> Okay, then sure.
[22:19] <KaMii> he keeps going back and fourth on what he wants to do rworkman....
[22:19] <rworkman> My statement was correct regardless of what he wants to do :)
[22:19] <KaMii> first he talks about an ntfs-3g usb, then he talks about duel boot then he goes back to usb
[22:19] <KaMii> i cant keep up
[22:19] <Xgates> no I'm saying I know how it works just that I forgot what steps I need to deal with for like the polkit and hal to get it to work not fstab
[22:19] <Xgates> :)
[22:20] <Xgates> sheesh do we need to keep going around in Circles here? LOL
[22:20] <rworkman> Some chickens lay eggs.  <---  it doesn't matter if you want an egg, or want a chicken, or are looking for a cow.  The statement is correct :)
[22:20] <Xgates> LOL
[22:20] <KaMii> just use the terminal and mount it when you plug it in
[22:21] <Xgates> hey rworkman if you'd be so kind, only running OpenBox what you think about this? --->  http://pastebin.com/i4fKCCgL
[22:21] <rworkman> Xgates: the rest of the info you are requesting is in CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT
[22:21] <mk_> pmount is a good friend
[22:21] <mk_> too
[22:21] <Xgates> from what I remember before I changed <allow_any> </allow_any> before
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[22:21] <Xgates> no I don't want pmount the way it mounts I've used it before
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[22:22] <KaMii> is this the only usb device you have/use?
[22:22] <Xgates> rworkman: ok thanks
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[22:22] <andarius> greetings and salutations
[22:22] <mk_> at least i dont have to get root or use sudo to mount manualy
[22:22] <powtrix> does i915 video freezes like nvidia/nouveau?
[22:23] <Xgates> no I have two usb portable drives I want to use that I did use as of yesterday :)
[22:23] Action: andarius has not had any nvidia freezes :|
[22:23] <KaMii> are you sure hald is running?
[22:23] <KaMii> all my usb stuff works fine and I never had to mess with anything
[22:23] <Xgates> rworkman: where can I see CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT online? If it's suppose to be on the box I don't have it
[22:24] <KaMii> psp automounts, card reader automounts, usb stick automounts...
[22:24] <Xgates> KaMii: are you ONLY using OpenBox? are you only using pcmanfm also as your filemanger?
[22:24] <Xgates> I am ....
[22:24] <KaMii> im only using xfce
[22:24] <KaMii> and i dont use pcmanfm
[22:24] <KaMii> thunar
[22:24] <andarius> Xgates: any mirror has it
[22:25] <KaMii> i don think this is a filemanager issue
[22:25] <Xgates> well there's the difference Thunar is doing what I need pcmanfm to it automounts and you don't need any fstab entries for it to work
[22:25] <KaMii> its a hald issue
[22:25] <mk_> http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-13.1/CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT
[22:26] <Xgates> well I'm saying filemanger issues meaning anything to do with it, releated to like with hal, etc....
[22:26] <Xgates> anyhow....
[22:26] <rworkman> pcmanfm, if it's a newer release, does things with gudev and such; I've not messed with it much at all, and I'm not well-versed enough with it to advise yet
[22:26] <rworkman> IOW, it doesn't use HAL - it uses udev for device detection
[22:27] <KaMii> not that udev again
[22:27] <KaMii> theres your problem
[22:27] <KaMii> udev sux
[22:27] <Xgates> 0.5.2 works nice I had it running in 13.1 when it came out but last night I had to reinstall Slack and I thought I remembered the steps I took to get this working, I guess I didn't hehe
[22:27] <Xgates> going to take better notes NOW :)
[22:27] <antiwire> udev sux?
[22:27] <rworkman> udev is fine.
[22:27] <antiwire> you mean you don't know udev, right?
[22:27] <KaMii> i cant get it to do what i want it to do
[22:27] <antiwire> exactly.
[22:28] <KaMii> therefore, i say it sux
[22:28] <Xgates> rworkman: should I see hal running in TOP? I only see this in ps aux:
[22:28] <Xgates> /usr/sbin/hald --daemon=yes
[22:28] <rworkman> udev is great.  The layers above it (that make use of it) aren't ideal yet though.
[22:28] <Xgates> hald-runner
[22:28] <rworkman> Xgates: those are HAL processes.
[22:28] <Xgates> hald-addon-input: Listening on /dev/input/event1 /dev/input/event4 /dev/input/event2 /dev/input/event6 /dev/input/event7 /dev/input/event5
[22:29] <Xgates> yeah that I know just wanted to be sure it's what I should be seeing
[22:29] <KaMii> well udev is blocking me from syncing my palm pilot when in loged in as user
[22:29] <KaMii> but it works when im rood
[22:29] <KaMii>  /root
[22:29] <Xgates> rworkman: should I see hal in top?
[22:29] <KaMii> and yes i have written a rule
[22:29] <KaMii> i wrote a ton of rules, none of them work
[22:30] <KaMii> ok i didnt write them, i copied them off help websites... they all said they work.. they all failed
[22:32] <Xgates> well nothing in CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT
[22:33] <Xgates> even though this is for 12 this is what I think still has to be done as a few of the steps:
[22:33] <Xgates> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/12-0-and-hal-read-this-566862/
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[22:34] <Xgates> see I'm only running OpenBox so I need like polkit rules
[22:34] <Xgates> this is also something else:
[22:34] <Xgates> http://pastebin.com/i4fKCCgL
[22:35] Action: KaMii has cappachinno hehehe
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[22:39] <Xgates> I swear in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/ last time I changed: <allow_any> </allow_any> to like either my username or users
[22:39] <Xgates> I remember messing with it
[22:39] <Xgates> just don't remember what I put
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[22:47] <ut> does anyone here happen to have a way to get mplayer to suppress warning dialogs?
[22:50] <ut> ah, not bad. -really-quiet stuck in the menu item did it.
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[22:51] <shonudo> ut, you might try writing that into .mplayer/config -- may work
[22:52] <ut> will give it a shot.
[22:53] <shonudo> oops, didn't see your follow-up post
[22:54] <ut> it kind of worked. mplayer seems to take longer with this extra window in the taskbar, and as a result, the cursor won't stop bouncing.
[22:54] Action: ut hasn't figured out what should go in the config file yet 
[22:55] <KaMii> aliens smoking cigarettes in xfiles??? its not even scarry
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[22:55] <Zaythan> howdy all :)
[22:56] <Zaythan> is there a suggested method of partioning ones hd before an install?
[22:56] <KaMii> fdisk
[22:56] <shonudo> fdisk?
[22:57] <oobe> cfdisk is much easier
[22:57] <Skywise> easy isn't important in slackware
[22:57] <Skywise> fdisk is more reliable
[22:57] <oobe> if your talking about while in the setup cd
[22:57] <shonudo> hey Skywise
[22:57] <Zaythan> haha not what tool i know how 2 use that but how many partions and what size
[22:57] <Skywise> evenin
[22:57] <Skywise> i make the first partition the swap space and then give the rest to the file system
[22:58] <shonudo> make a swap, make a root, make a data partion, and then make a partition to keep fresh fruit in
[22:58] <oobe> zaltekk, you only need / really but you can make all the others if you want swap /home  etc.
[22:58] <andarius> partition scheemes are a personal thing. do what suites you :)
[22:58] Action: ut always found fdisk easier 
[22:58] <shonudo> same here
[22:59] <shonudo> what fs are you going to use, Zaythan?
[22:59] <andarius> http://www.slackbook.org/html/book.html#INSTALLATION-PARTITIONING
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[22:59] <Zaythan> was planning on using ext4
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[23:00] <shonudo> just curious
[23:00] <Zaythan> is ext4 bad juju?
[23:00] <shonudo> no no
[23:00] <shonudo> not at all
[23:02] Action: ut solves his problem by changing hte menu item to run mplayer instead of gmplayer
[23:04] <Zaythan> hahah k  well im actually pretty stoked i am moving the last o' the file i wanna keep to an external and then gose the fresh install :)
[23:04] <andarius> perhaps copy it and rename/edit the copy. then you have a choice inthe menu
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[23:05] <shonudo> good deal, Zaythan
[23:05] <Patero-ng> u don't have to irc stuff via google
[23:05] <Patero-ng> google is not better then ixquick
[23:06] <Patero-ng> tou they're into almost every website there is the quality of information is not great for the intrusion they do
[23:06] <andarius> huh?
[23:06] <Patero-ng> u go to a forum about whatevcer pet food and google cookies and scripts are there
[23:06] <Patero-ng> sports blogs etc fuck google
[23:06] <Patero-ng> they're not good
[23:06] Action: ut would also be happier if there were less google to go around 
[23:07] <KaMii> ^^ agrees
[23:07] <KaMii> google is a whore
[23:07] <Patero-ng> u ever tried ixquick the results are awesome and they're encrypted searchs plus they don't intrude into peoolk's privacies like they were fiound sying on poeook;s wifis
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[23:07] <Patero-ng> in spain while doing google street fotografs
[23:07] <alisonken1home> andarius: Patero-ng has been posting anti-google (among other things) posts for some time now. you must have missed them
[23:07] <ut> I duno. I wouldn't particularly trust any other search engine either :)
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[23:07] <andarius> I have missed a lot. street preeching, no matter to me either way
[23:08] <ut> microsoft! there's a company that'd never sell me out.
[23:08] Action: ut giggles
[23:08] <Patero-ng> ixquick now is underfire by the EU
[23:08] <Patero-ng> they want search engines search strings recorded from everbydo by law
[23:08] <agentc0re> Patero-ng: did you know we're both in SLC?
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[23:09] <Patero-ng> I'm a man so woot
[23:09] Action: andarius is an AI
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[23:10] Action: alisonken1home is a dream
[23:11] Action: andarius gathers all your data and gives it to google and M$ for waffles!
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[23:11] <Patero-ng> ,.,..
[23:11] Action: ut is waffles
[23:11] <agentc0re> Patero-ng: you should switch to comcast, that way next time you get your ass banned I don't get dragged along with you.
[23:11] Action: andarius refuses the next payment
[23:11] <Patero-ng> jajaja
[23:11] <andarius> lol
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[23:12] Action: KaMii wants waffles
[23:12] <KaMii> andarius: why did you have to mention waffles
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[23:13] Action: ut wants waffles too...
[23:13] <andarius> because they are freaking awesome!
[23:13] <KaMii> andarius: get busy
[23:13] <andarius> with what? I already haz all your data :P
[23:13] <andarius> and you wont get any of my waffles
[23:13] <KaMii> what data?
[23:13] <KaMii> you stole my fallout 3 save game>
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[23:13] <KaMii> its dumb i get pwnd all the time
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[23:19] <Xgates> hey guys
[23:19] <Xgates> say how can I check that hal is running properly at bootup and right now?
[23:19] <andarius> what about the girls?
[23:20] <alisonken1home> Xgates: ps ax |grep hal
[23:20] <Dominian> Xgates: What do you mean "running properly?"
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[23:20] <Xgates> starting ok...
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[23:20] <Dominian> well if ps aux | grep hal doesn't return anything as alisonken1home suggested, its probably not :)
[23:21] <Xgates> ok looks good:
[23:21] <Xgates> http://pastebin.com/s6XyFnuX
[23:21] <alisonken1home> I see "hald --daemon=yes" as well as hald-runner processes checkign devices
[23:21] <alisonken1home> so I would say it's running :)
[23:22] <Xgates> run the same thing to check dbus? --->  ps ax |grep dbus?
[23:23] <Xgates> man for the life of me I had darn pcmanfm automounting usb drives before I reinstall Slack, now on this fresh install I can't seem to remember what I did.....
[23:23] <Xgates> errrrrr
[23:24] <Xgates> I have myself in group plugdev also pcmanfm needs polkit:
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[23:24] <Xgates> ~/.config/autostart$ ls
[23:24] <Dominian> hehe
[23:24] <Xgates> polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1.desktop
[23:25] <Dominian> Xgates: that's why you have a wiki for yourself :P
[23:25] <Xgates> I did all the Wiki
[23:25] <Xgates> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/PCManFM_build_and_setup_guide
[23:25] <Xgates> just that I'm not using gvfs cause I'm using 0.5.2 which uses hal
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[23:26] <Xgates> the other thing I did was /etc/login.defs -  CONSOLE_GROUPS         floppy:audio:cdrom:video:scanner:plugdev
[23:26] <Xgates> all I can think is there's some hal or polkit issue
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[23:28] <Xgates> somewhere I read in /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/ you should change -  org.freedesktop.policykit.policy  - <allow_any>auth_admin</allow_any>
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[23:57] <Xgates> ahhh me and Slack aren't getting on today this SUCKS!
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[23:59] <Xgates> hey here's the words of rworkman on linuxquestions 3 years ago:
[23:59] <Xgates> /usr/bin/hal-device-manager needs PyGTK and a few things from gnome in order to work.
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