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[01:12] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [01:12] gh0st_ (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:13] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:13] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:14] gh0st_ (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] Nick change: bgs100 -> bgs000 [01:15] khider (~khider@CPE00226b4dc6c8-CM001868522c6c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [01:16] Greetings Slackers, can anyone point me to a document that shows me how to configure the kernel for Slackware 13.1? I need to enable my wireless card. [01:16] are you sure the huge kernel doesn't have it? [01:16] _S4MUR4I_ (~S4MUR4I@187.40.93.127) joined ##slackware. [01:16] lol [01:17] usually wireless cards just load a module as well [01:17] i can't imagine why you would need to compile that in [01:17] and with the advent of initrd's again, makes it more work than it's worth [01:17] it isn't that hard after a few times [01:18] I have a broadcom bcm5787m, I isntalled the driver, but no dice. The next step is to start enabling stuff [01:18] khider what card do you have? [01:18] its not the difficulty i find annoying, its the waiting :p [01:18] khider: you dont want to just enable stuff& that can cause more problems than it will fix [01:19] khider oh i see. so you installed a broadcom driver? [01:19] sking: I do I get the wifi fired up then? [01:19] khider i would use the mainlined tg3 if i were you [01:19] I think the bcm5787m is a wired nic [01:20] mancha, is anything showing up if you do iwconfig [01:20] jennifur no idea [01:20] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:20] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [01:20] well, try running iwconfig as root and see if it shows anything [01:20] ok [01:20] jennifur: try to keep up. mancha isn't theone with the problem [01:20] ok iwconfig shows things [01:20] oh [01:20] sorry [01:20] lol, i was gonna ask :p [01:21] i meant khider [01:21] damn! rworkman ruined my mojo :) [01:21] mancha: haha [01:21] Action: fhobia just fixed his 1st open source bug! [01:21] fhobia: congrats :) [01:21] Action: fhobia needs to figure out how to submit it though [01:21] thanks XD [01:21] gh0st_ (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:21] i second that congrats :) [01:21] 3rd [01:21] twoshot_ (~ubuntu@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [01:22] I fourth that Congrats :) [01:22] \o/ [01:22] I'll have a fifth. [01:22] Of whiskey [01:22] plead it [01:22] Can I delete my swap.... without any problems? [01:22] I would, but the wife may have an issue with the 5th :) [01:22] mmm booze, eww whiskey lol [01:22] twoshot_: depends on if you have enough RAM installed [01:22] jennifur: I get lo: no wireless extensions and eth0 no wireless extensions [01:22] twoshot_, depends on how much swap you use [01:22] 4 GB ram [01:22] rworkman, infant's driven you to the whiskey bottle already? ;) [01:22] do you ever use any swap space? [01:23] fire|bird: easily ;-) [01:23] twoshot_, "free -m" and see how much swap you're using [01:23] alisonken1noc, I'm not in my slack system right now [01:23] hi, my name [01:23] twoshot_: you could just run swapoff and see if your system OOM's :p [01:23] hi, my name's mancha and i'm an alcoho...er i mean, a father. [01:24] if it does, you know thats not a good idea [01:24] alisonken1noc, what would cause me to use a lot of swap [01:24] swapoff? [01:24] OOM? [01:24] OOM == out of memory [01:24] swapoff will unmount your swap dsk [01:25] whenever i use the "swapoff" command i imagine an old japanese dude saying "swap-on; swap-off; daniel-san" [01:25] khider: pastebin the output of lspci -vv somewhere [01:25] everything you do, (applications, data the apps use, disk cache, etc) is put into RAM, if you are running a lot of database stuff that might cause you to use a lot of ram, or if you VI large files for example, those get stuffed into RAM while loaded in VI [01:25] twoshot_, running programs - especially ones that do graphics heavy stuff [01:26] or db stuff [01:26] Swap: 8197 9 8187 but I'm in a livecd so I don't know how relevant that is. [01:26] rworkman: Okay, just get me a minute to switch to my laptop--things are kindy screwy with it [01:26] alisonken1noc, I'm a developer... would that make me need the swap? [01:27] that swap is probably a RAM disk anyway& live CD's don't generally don't have swap partitions [01:27] twoshot_, depends on how heavy your gcc needs to work :) [01:27] compiling windows might need to swap a bit :p [01:27] s/might/will/ [01:27] ikhider (~ikhider@CPE00226b4dc6c8-CM001868522c6c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [01:27] LMAO [01:28] haha [01:28] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@77.79.143.218.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:29] I don't use very many graphic intensive programs so I guess it wouldn't matter. Will slack not miss the swap? Everything will go normally? [01:29] just watch your swap while you're working and see how bad it gets - if you start to use more than 1M swap, then you probably need to keep it on [01:29] with 4GB of ram, an in stall of slackware with no additional running software will definitely not need swap [01:30] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:30] even on systems i know will never need swap, i keep at least 500M handy [01:30] i always thought swap had to be twice ram [01:30] you never know when you might over tax your system, and need it [01:30] it doesn't have to be [01:30] but is recommended to be [01:30] honestly now days if you are using 8GB swap, your system is crawling and hating you [01:31] woh3, depends on your swap needs - used to be large swap due to low ram available. but with >2G ram available now, swap size is debatable [01:31] sking, you're not supposed to have 8G? I read that twice thing and put 8G.... [01:31] rworkman: http://pastebin.ca/1887521 (How do I move up the page of an output so I can get the other info, page up does not seem to work) [01:31] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [01:32] twoshot_, think about how much you're having to go between ram and swap partition if you have 4G of ram and you start using >2G swap - also known as "swap storm" [01:32] twoshot_: you can have 8GB& but RAM is there for quick access of things& because hard drives are slow& swap is essentially RAM stored on your hard drive... [01:32] lol @ swapstorm [01:32] i just call it "swapping like a whore" :p [01:32] heh [01:32] oh. yea..... that makes sense [01:32] "swapping like a whore at a pro football locker room" :) [01:32] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [01:33] hahaha [01:33] haha [01:33] good one! [01:33] actually, there is a box we have at work that uses 2+GB swap :( [01:33] it makes me cry [01:33] Ok, if I created an extended partition and put swap as one of the logical partitions in there, would slackware use that if it needed swap? [01:33] yeah [01:33] ok cool [01:34] as long as you mount it with swapon and put it in fstab so it mounts on boot :) [01:34] oh and format it with mkswap prior to mount [01:34] ikhider: shift + pageup; the bcm5787m is definitely ethernet, not wireless [01:34] i am going to write a linux app that constantly read/writes to swap for people who miss the sound of Windows(tm) thrashing your drive [01:34] lulz [01:34] hehe [01:34] sking, I'm going to set it up with fdisk. Doesn't that format it when I do t 82? [01:35] fdisk doesn't generally format drives [01:35] kl [01:35] the type option is just a integer bit set so that different boot loaders and other programs know what type of disk you intend it to be [01:35] k* [01:35] fisk formats about as well as udev views pictures [01:35] let me have a copy of that& it would be a nice joke for work [01:35] twoshot_, no - that just designates it as a swap partition [01:36] rworkman: i had a guy in an interview tell me the other day fdisk can format disks... [01:36] X [01:36] hah [01:36] i at first thought i was an old fogey and living in the 1980's and had to check& lol [01:36] $5 to the person who tells me what the f in fdisk stands for [01:37] fixed [01:37] lol [01:37] damn you beat me to the typing [01:37] :) [01:37] it's what wikipedia says [01:38] I lived through the days of having to manually setup drives and taking 12+ hours to format a 22M RLL drive [01:38] my first linux was on a cardboard punch card [01:38] lol [01:38] was that slack 1.0? lol [01:39] pat wasn't even born yet! [01:39] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:39] mine was a fisher-price abacus [01:39] using floats was a nightmare [01:40] don't knock the abacus, you can do complex forms of math faster with that than a scientific calculator lol [01:40] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:40] rworkman: http://pastebin.ca/1887524 [01:40] Thanks for 'splaining page up, so used to scrolling... [01:41] i see no wireless there! [01:42] mancha: Is it possible for lspci to suddenly omit wireless? [01:42] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:42] Because this thing *does* have a wireless card [01:43] if its on the bus and powered up, then it would be in lspci [01:43] possibility that the BIOS has the wireless off? [01:43] what wireless card do you know it has? [01:43] hrm...maybe a re-install would bring things back? [01:44] naw, reinstall wouldn't affect lspci [01:44] that is reading the bios hardware tables or whatever they call the structure the bios puts crap in now days [01:44] This is a refurb hp 6515b, I am pretty sure thing thing is built with wireless cards [01:44] DSDT? [01:45] check the bios or see if the wireless switch is on? [01:45] "pretty sure" is in disagreement with the hardware. :) [01:45] Well, I have a money-back guarantee, so I can still bounce this machine back [01:45] alisonken1noc: How do I check the bios? [01:46] look up the specs online, HP prolly has a lookup functioon [01:46] Even with a hardware switch, it should still show in lspci [01:46] when in bios, check to see if they have a wireless setting for radio on/off [01:46] how do I get to the bios? [01:46] does reboot sound familiar? :) [01:46] rworkman: but if the bios has the device off it will not, correct? my hardware theory is a bit rusty on that now days [01:46] magically [01:46] alisonken1noc: And then? [01:47] follow the steps to get into the bios [01:47] usually hit del key while it's going through post - but you need to check the post screen to see how they do it [01:47] alisonken1noc: hrm, okay, I will reboot this machine...be back inabit [01:47] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) joined ##slackware. [01:48] ikhider (~ikhider@CPE00226b4dc6c8-CM001868522c6c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:48] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt3-port-72.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [01:48] Action: sking is curious how someone who has no familiarity with a BIOS manages to use Slackware [01:48] I can't figure out how to shrink the partition in fdisk [01:49] twoshot_: fdisk can't shrink partitions, you will need to either delete it and recreate it, or use gparted [01:49] I have data on it.... [01:50] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:50] gparted it is then :p [01:50] haha [01:50] everywhere I read says it can be done with resize2fs and fdisk though :( [01:50] sure, if you use LVM [01:50] ugh [01:50] slack doesn't by default though [01:51] sking: I'm not sure :/ [01:51] ok. If I use gparted, and the filesystem is currently smaller than the partition, resizing it to the size of the filesystem won't mess anything up will it? [01:51] alisonken1noc: I am in bios and Buil-In device options, the only thing disbled is lan/wlan switching [01:51] the problem with resizing a disk is that the partition table needs to be updated, and to do that on a live system is very difficult& especially with shrinking them [01:52] *built In *device options [01:52] twoshot_: gparted will run the resize2fs for you [01:52] its a very nice tool [01:52] sking, I already ran it. [01:52] oh :p [01:52] umm [01:52] i bet the thing's got no wireless [01:52] mancha: On a laptop two years old? [01:52] an online review suggests wireless is an "option" on the laptop...back when they sold them new in '07 [01:52] i always just download the live cd of gparted and reboot to do these things& not sure what it does with cli toold [01:52] tools* [01:53] khider: its a refurb& maybe he got it from a pawn short or something :p [01:53] he could have gotten screwed [01:53] There is a money back guarantee... [01:53] well hm. guess I shall reboot and download gparted [01:53] well, download gparted first :p [01:53] But this is silly...there *has* to be a wireless card... [01:54] one would hope [01:54] but ya never know [01:54] sking, I'd rather download it in my slack system than in the live cd I'm in. [01:54] no - my wife and I both got a new hp laptop about 6 years ago - same model, except hers came with built-in wireless and I had to get a pcmcia wireless card [01:54] "Embedded WLAN Device radio" "enabled" [01:55] yep, confirmed wireless on that compaq is only available on select models [01:55] nic [01:55] nice* [01:55] twoshot_ (~ubuntu@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [01:55] twoshot_: if you are on a livecd, can you not just installed gparted? [01:55] doh, too late [01:55] and -ed [01:56] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Necrosporus [01:56] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:56] i had a gateway once& it had all the lil symboles and keys to turn blue tooth on and off.. but no radio [01:56] i was like wtf [01:56] do you have a blue wireless button? if not SOL [01:57] my gateway has the Fn buttons and a switch for wireless [01:57] lulz [01:57] in case people can't figure it out with one method, you have 4 others :p [01:59] what was the meaning of the cow pattern? [01:59] no clue [02:00] maybe they were dairy farmers at first? [02:01] old mcdonald had a puter.... ee i ee i o [02:01] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.43.107) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [02:01] hmm, okay folks--thanks for the info. It is bizarre the thing has no wireless card, but you guys are probably right. I will call the seller and exchange for a later model. Damn. [02:02] Sorry for troubling this channel [02:02] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) joined ##slackware. [02:02] mancha: http://www.forbes.com/1997/07/28/gate.html [02:03] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [02:03] cool! [02:03] so sking wasn't far off... [02:03] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:03] guess not :) [02:03] :p [02:03] i was just taking a wild guess too, hah [02:04] bovine is an odd word [02:04] lol [02:05] how about bovine spongiform encephalopathy [02:06] sounds like something they would add to food [02:06] mad cow disease? [02:06] i hope they don't add that to my food [02:06] can't trust the gov, they add all kinds of things [02:06] chances are high in hamburger meat [02:06] i ate hamburger meat earlier today. [02:07] i decided for pork instead of cow today :p [02:07] all you need is a little bit of brain or spinal cord to make it into the grinder and boom, mad-cow burgers [02:07] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [02:07] sking: maybe that's just what the gov wants you to think [02:07] then they do a good job SiegeX [02:07] :p [02:08] does anyone here know postfix? [02:08] i used to, a bit [02:08] i don't really know it...but i use it for my personal email [02:08] :p [02:08] then after that short bit of insanity i returned to sendmail [02:09] eww [02:09] sendmail? [02:09] really? [02:09] i love it [02:09] it usually goes the other way around :p [02:09] well, is it possible to do the following: restrict specific users to be able to send mail to a specific email [02:09] once you devote enough time to sendmail you dont want to go anywhere else because you don't want to have devoted all that time for nothing =) [02:10] you still devoted the time to nothing :p [02:11] however, at least you didn't say qmail :p [02:11] user_access innit? [02:11] sking, dig through your docs for check-recipient-access or similar [02:12] ah ok& there are way to many vars in the postfix conf :p [02:12] you can have destination lists and then there's some rule like reject-any-destination-not-on-this-list and you can apply that per user [02:13] jonatan (~jonatan@81-226-63-190-no179.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [02:15] ah yes that will work nicely [02:15] ill implement that when im not so tired :p [02:18] everyone is quiet :( [02:19] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:19] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) joined ##slackware. [02:20] i am contemplating upgrading perl and dealing with all the re-compiles i'll need to to afterwards... [02:21] oh god [02:21] i just did that last week [02:21] it was hell [02:21] dont' do it [02:21] really? [02:21] and cpan is all screwed up with the 5.12 coming up [02:22] there is a major namespace that won't install into 5.10.1 cause of that [02:22] well by install, i mean upgrade [02:23] ok... [02:23] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [02:23] do it on a test machine first if you must :p [02:23] what about system packages from slackware-official, recall of the top of your head how many casualities of war? [02:23] \o [02:24] well, the new net utils changes the ping command so it says icmp_req instead of icmp_seq, so that will break any cacti installs you have, and the ntpq command has some updated output that might break other automation scripts [02:24] other than that, i don't think i had any issue [02:24] i don't mind small ones like irssi but i think kde stuffs might bank on @INC etc [02:24] oh i had to reinstall postfix [02:24] cause i accidently installed sendmail and it trashed my sendmail binary [02:25] i didn't see anyting with kde when i was doing current testing for 13.1 on my workstation [02:25] my server i just upgraded doesn't run X [02:25] gh0st (~gh0st@c-98-224-82-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:25] i'm thinking DCOP.pm for example (as far as KDE) [02:26] i didn't have any issues with that one [02:26] what about Git.pm ? [02:26] etc etc :) [02:26] lol& i don't use that oen [02:26] one* [02:27] the biggest ones that need fixed are the C cross modules [02:27] liek SpamAssassin [02:27] but the upgrade seemed to have wiped out all the dependency modules i installed [02:27] stuff like Net::IP and so on which isn't installed by default [02:27] ok, maybe i'll leave it for next weekend rather than try to rush an upgrade in the next hours [02:28] i think you can run cpan [02:28] and just upgrade [02:28] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [02:28] and it will upgrade the modules that are outdated [02:28] Hi, those who have both PATA and SATA hard disks on their systems will have any problem with Slackware 13.1? [02:28] but won't re install anything that is not out of date but broke [02:28] Oak: should be fine [02:29] i actually dl stuff from cpan manally and compile in a chroot to make slack-style packages [02:29] oh nice [02:29] so i can removepkg my perl modules [02:29] like in Arch Linux you have to use Universally Unique Identifier in fstab for system to boot properly... like /dev/disk/by-uuid/31f8eb0d-612b-4805-835e-0e6d8b8c5591 [02:29] we really need a perl type slack repo [02:29] ok skng thanks [02:29] Oak: i don't believe thats an Arch limitation but kernel related [02:29] im not famililar with Arch though [02:30] ok [02:30] using uuid's is nice though, and you can do it in slack if you want too... [02:30] might be able to use dev-mapper to map those to nice names :) [02:30] it avoids any hda/sda naming problems [02:30] just yell at udev for those issues :p [02:32] yes manca! will I have any naming problems if I install Slackware 13.1... I have one hda as hard disk, one hdb as cd-rom, and a sata disk [02:32] nader (~nader@85.133.204.194) joined ##slackware. [02:33] 13.1 will call 'em sda's [02:34] ok [02:34] thanks [02:34] cool ;) [02:34] i don't think you will have any conflicts& just, things may not be named what you initially expect& which you would have to modify udev rules to fix otherwise [02:36] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) joined ##slackware. [02:36] nah, I don't care about names. It's just that it is a big task to do the installation for me. My current Slackware 13 installation is running without any issue. And is configured according to my liking... [02:37] gotchya [02:37] slack 13.1 should be have just like 13& however the kernel was updated :p [02:37] the naming change happened from 13.0 to 13.1 though [02:38] really? [02:38] you probably have hda's now in 13.0 right? kiss them goodbye [02:38] what name change? [02:38] no, that changed in 12 [02:38] yes, I got hda [02:38] a switch to libata in thekenrel [02:38] skin, no it happened in 13.1 [02:39] jhw (~jhw@p57982ED6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:39] sking, that changed with the libata change in 13.1 - I've got the funtimes to show for it :) [02:39] interesting [02:39] i coudl have sworn that happened earler [02:39] maybe im thinking RedHat [02:39] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [02:40] Oak, anything that is named hda now will be sda, hdb will be sdb, etc. that's all. [02:40] but your right& i just looked up the change log :p [02:40] happened on Jan 4th 2010 :p [02:40] cool, thanks mancha [02:40] it can cause issues only if you save things from the old install: lilo.conf /etc/fstab for example. [02:41] yeah that would be a freaking nightmare [02:41] when did the / partition get renamed to /dev/root? [02:41] was that 12 that im thinking of? [02:41] later than 12 [02:41] nah, I won't upgrade, I'll do a clean install... whenever I do it [02:41] Oak, then you'll not notice any issues at all [02:41] cool [02:41] I believe /dev/root is just a pointer to show what partition was originally booted as root [02:42] that was 12.2 [02:42] yeah its a rc.udev symlink [02:42] it happened with a certain udev [02:42] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-161.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:42] udev 141 [02:42] probably post 12.1 [02:42] change logs say it happened on 122 [02:42] 12.2* [02:43] but i think it was that i was thinking of :p [02:43] yeah i'll buy that [02:43] it causes issues with my cacti install when i upgraded [02:44] having your own slack mirror is very useful :p [02:45] OK, it's decided. no perl upgrades this afternoon. [02:45] :p [02:45] what time is it there mancha? [02:45] way too late! :> [02:45] i decided to do my perl upgarde at like 2am at night, and i had to be to work at 9am :p [02:45] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:46] ended up getting very little sleep [02:46] yeah i'm not feeling too patient eitehr and thats always a bad thing when starting a big upgrade project like this [02:46] i just wish perl was handled better in slack [02:46] totally, especially with perl [02:51] lulz http://cableorganizer.com/neat-patch/?src=facebook [02:51] panduit already had stuff like this :p [02:52] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4419, sources date: 20100519, built on: 2010-06-04 01:07:21 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [02:56] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:57] oooh postfix update :p [02:57] to upgrade or not to upgrade :p [02:57] security issue or not security issue? :) [02:58] lol always security issues of some kind [02:58] but postfix is one of the more secure MTAs already :p [02:59] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [03:02] eh, ill deal with it another night lol [03:03] croupier (~AndChat@173-126-224-59.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [03:04] Greetings [03:05] jennifur (~jennifur@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:05] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [03:05] hello [03:06] croupier (AndChat@173-126-224-59.pools.spcsdns.net) left ##slackware. [03:06] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [03:06] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [03:07] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-15-238.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:07] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-158-99.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:08] howdy Slackers, I was wondering---is it possible to somehow 'accidentally' disable a wireless card in a laptop. Like it is there, and then lspci can no longer find it. I bought a laptop recently and I thought I detected the wifi card when I got it. But then it no longer popped up. Of course, I could be wrong (I often am) but is such a thing possible? [03:09] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:10] if you can get to the radio card (usually in a slot on the bottom of the laptop) check to see if the card is seated correctly [03:10] what's the laptop model? [03:10] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:11] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.121) joined ##slackware. [03:11] alisonken1noc: THE HP 6515b, and somebody mentioned that the wifi card is optional. However, when i just bought it--I thought I saw it. But, if a wifi card can be so easily unseated, perhaps it is a bad sign [03:12] Coke (~coke@c-b3bee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [03:12] alisonken1noc: I certainly did not take the machine apart [03:19] khider, looks like it may be one of those broadband (think cell phone) wireless setups [03:19] alisonken1noc: Can you elaborate? [03:21] need to check the specs against the hp database - some of those models came with a sim card slot so it could connect to a carrier (like verizon) so you could get wifi via cell phone [03:21] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [03:21] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-161.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:23] alisonken1noc: sounds like the dark ages [03:23] lol actually thats to the contrary& thats the way of wireless now days [03:24] not to be confused with WiFi [03:26] ugh why can't i just go to bed :( [03:28] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:28] Hoogin (~hoogin@195-50-219-246-rdsl.est.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [03:34] khider: my Dell D630 has a little slider bar on the left side that can shut off the wifi and that has bitten me in the ass a few times when accidentally hit [03:35] Even worse are the ones that not only kill the radio in your OS, but mark it "disabled" in the BIOS [03:36] hmm, never checked to see if it does that. although I do know there is a BIOS option to disable it as well [03:37] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.75.210) joined ##slackware. [03:38] SiegeX: I see a wifi symbol activated by sensor touch (why include it if there is no such device built-in?)--that is the extent of any switch [03:38] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.121) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:39] SiegeX: Nothing happens when I rub it though [03:39] that's what she said [03:39] [in bed] [03:39] SiegeX: I don't know how common it is, but the Eee PC I have does that (it doesn't havea switch, but when you give the Fn command to kill the wifi it somehow results in it being disabled in teh BIOS as well). Can result in much head scratching until you realise what's going on [03:40] I should go to bed and drop it, computers keep me up all night. It used to be scrambled porn when i was kid, now it is Linux [03:40] a step up :) [03:41] alisonken1noc: Yeah, seriously [03:42] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.228) joined ##slackware. [03:43] Hoogin (hoogin@195-50-219-246-rdsl.est.estpak.ee) left ##slackware. [03:44] Coke (coke@c-b3bee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left ##slackware. [03:45] sleekslack (~umislack@58.64.95.132) joined ##slackware. [03:49] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [03:54] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. [03:57] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:04] khider (~khider@CPE00226b4dc6c8-CM001868522c6c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:06] sking (~sking@24.238.12.206) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [04:13] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:14] http://sourceforge.net/projects/wine/files/ has slackware packages for wine and wine64 available. [04:14] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) joined ##slackware. [04:14] wine64 reportedly can now run both 32 and 64 bit apps [04:16] wine64 requires a multilib setup to run 32-bit applications, right? [04:17] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.228) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:17] I would say yes [04:17] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.228) joined ##slackware. [04:25] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [04:26] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-232.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [04:27] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:27] merciful_ (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:28] nader (nader@85.133.204.194) left ##slackware. 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[04:39] bonus points oooh [04:39] sbsdoze (~spookywo0@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:41] Nick change: mrpwnage -> stinky [04:41] actually, http://vpaste.net/WfFLe is better [04:42] http://vpaste.net/VsWhM for the first [04:43] http://vpaste.net/TPYDY for the second [04:44] trhodes: thanks, which kind of machine is it? [04:45] morning guys o/ [04:46] adrien: haha whoops, i see you wanted non x86 [04:46] AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3400+ [04:47] trhodes: np, all tests are welcome =) [04:47] hi phrag =) [04:47] basically, I need to know if the memory layout of the two structures are the same [04:47] ok [04:48] adrien, you need x86 64 bits ? [04:48] phe: no, thanks, I'm running 64bit here ;-) [04:48] oki [04:49] I'd try, but I don't have my SPARC box or any of my PowerPC Macs handy :P [04:49] revel0__ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [04:51] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) joined ##slackware. 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[06:56] nph0rm (~chatzilla@pD9590935.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:56] hi room! [06:57] 'channel' [06:57] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [07:00] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:02] nph0rm: Hi. `/channel' [07:03] lol, i guess you guys were far too long on slack [07:04] no - we grew out of aol and it's kind [07:04] devout (~andrew@ool-457b3bb6.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:04] ahhh ok [07:05] nph0rm: I am just more than a year old - as a Slackware user. [07:05] i am just checking out the community here [07:07] <_slax0r_> hi, where can I find out if any rootkits for kernel 2.6.33.3 exist? [07:08] nph0rm: Sorry to boast, but its one of the best and quite populated as well. [07:08] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [07:08] Um, you could make a rootkit for any kernel and any OS. [07:09] <_slax0r_> I'm not interested in making or using [07:09] _slax0r_, you are looking for privilege escalation exploits, I guess. [07:10] Mel-nix: i will check that [07:10] once you are root, you can do anything, rootkits or trashing the system. [07:11] actually i have a question: slack comes with a lot of packages when doing full install. is there a tutorial, where i can build slack from a minimalist approach? [07:12] sw2how (~lxuser@warp.uom.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:12] aperturefever (~shevek@athedsl-195980.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:13] sw2how (~lxuser@warp.uom.gr) left irc: Client Quit [07:14] nph0rm, you will run into A LOT of issues. so don't. gigs are cheap. [07:15] nph0rm, I did a stripped install of 12.2. believe me, supporting it now (it's on a remote, not easily accessible site), is a pain. [07:16] you will forget lots of things that you'll later regret you did. although if the box is near you, you can install them later of course. [07:17] zerouno (3ef10555@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.241.5.85) left irc: Quit: Page closed [07:17] nph0rm, you can make a full complete slackware install behave just like a stripped one, disable all that you don't want to run in /etc/rc.d. that's the deal. [07:18] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:18] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [07:19] demoncyber_ (~marco@187.59.80.52) joined ##slackware. [07:21] brainvision (~brainvisi@host190-78-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:21] slava_dp: ok, thx [07:22] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432233.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:22] nph0rm: Perhaps, you are looking out for this: http://slackwiki.org/Minimal_System [07:23] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [07:23] thank you too Mel-nix! [07:23] looks good [07:24] Korsi (~Korsi@adsl-85-217-46-153.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [07:24] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:27] nph0rm: What are you trying to achieve? You said "..can I build slack..." I suppose you meant `install'. [07:28] yes [07:30] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:31] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:668:69c9:7868:1576:a5eb) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:31] _S4MUR4I_ (~S4MUR4I@187.40.93.127) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:35] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:37] gregsparc_ (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [07:37] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:37] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc [07:39] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[07:55] nph0rm (~chatzilla@pD9590935.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:58] _S4MUR4I_ (~S4MUR4I@187.40.93.140) joined ##slackware. [07:59] nph0rm (~chatzilla@pD9590935.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:05] Ropmain (Roppmain@79.117.215.112) joined ##slackware. [08:06] Hello. I installed slackware 11 on an old Pentium 2 with only 64 MB of RAM and I don't know what desktop environment to choose [08:06] I need one light enough to run on that ol' machine [08:07] Also, to complicate further, I need some guiding on setting up a GSM EDGE internet connection (dunno if I can do that with 2.4x kernels) [08:08] jjholt (~root@cblmdm72-240-21-44.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:13] Ropmain, i suggest you fluxbox, or twm, or fvwm [08:14] and i think it wuold be a good idea compile a 2.6 kernel with an ad-hoc ".config" [08:15] I don't know either, not ever having had such a device. I'm curious why you would want to use such an old machine as a GUI desktop? It would be fine as a console-only machine. Also, this is not Windows, and the old rule about "old hardware needs old OS" does not apply in the same way. You could run 13.1 with a lightweight GUI. [08:16] Oh for heaven's sake, no, I would not go compiling a recent kernel on an old box, and certainly not expect everything to work with a recent 2.6 and Slackware 11. [08:16] Roin (~florian@p5B2BEF4A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:16] i don't said "recent", i said "2.6" [08:17] I would not bother compiling a kernel AT ALL. The generic + initrd will be fine. [08:18] Well if you want the latest Kernel because of "this and that new feature" I would bother compiling one ^^ [08:18] the box is actually a multitude of boxes and i want to give them away to some l [08:18] kids] [08:18] Most of those new features are likely to require recent userspace too. [08:19] Slackware 11.0 has a 2.6 kernel in extra/ [08:19] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [08:19] giving someone a pc that old is cruel [08:19] And building some giveaway boxes with custom kernels? Only if your time is worth nothing. [08:19] agreed [08:19] Prefect, why? [08:19] or if you are giving your time to someone else [08:20] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:20] a sacrifice of love that costs you your time [08:20] Well, custom kernels take a lot of time and yield little if ANY benefit. [08:20] depends on what and why [08:20] it's well over a decade old, and nothing useful can be done with it [08:20] and what you consider important [08:21] I won't compile the kernel. I just installed on all Slack11 cd1 and dosemu for some old games [08:21] junk it. get a newer machine [08:21] Prefect, you can learn programming on it... surf the net... etc. [08:21] I'm running Slackware on a 7 year old machine and it works like charme [08:21] s/charme/charm/ [08:21] Oh sorry [08:21] Until last year, I was doing most of my work on a P4 [08:21] 7 years ago there were p4 machines. p2 is a much older [08:21] Delahunt: thx [08:21] 12 and 7 years is a big difference ;) [08:21] Ran KDE and anything [08:21] *everything [08:21] barf, KDE [08:21] Action: slava_dp has a P4 at home, runs 13.1 + kde [08:22] the machines are great for learning linux [08:22] Action: Prefect pictures running eclipse on a p2/64mb [08:22] well yeah, a P4 works fine [08:22] Sure. It's a worthwhile idea. Does 11.0 have icewm? That would be a good Windowsy-choice for a lightweight WM. [08:22] Mine is a AMD Athlon XP 2200+ [08:22] a P2? [08:22] i just bought a lot of never-been-used p4 machines [64 of them] for $700 from another department [08:22] I want a GUI cause i have some pdf tutorials (like the slackbook) [08:22] Action: Delahunt disdains windowsy [08:22] Although, I would still recommend trying 13.1 and xfce. [08:22] rob0: Slackware doesnt have IceWM by default [08:22] you can buy a new netbook for $170 refurbished [08:22] sbopkg has it [08:22] will run slackware faster than an old p2 [08:22] roin, it DID [08:22] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [08:22] rob0: O_O [08:22] rob0: why did they kick it out? :'( [08:23] Action: Roin uses IceWM atm [08:23] seriously, used netbooks are the heat [08:23] rob0: wont work. even Absolute with icewm is for 128mb now [08:23] Roin, I don't recall having read the changelog for that. [08:23] if you want you can plug 'em into a keyboard, mouse, and monitor, viola! cheapest desktop you've ever seen [08:23] i think 11 is a good choice for 64mb [08:23] Action: Delahunt points to his asus eee 900a [08:24] My eeepc has 512MB RAM. [08:24] Pat was considering doing an 11.1. would be nice to have :) [08:24] if you need portable and yet good enough for desktop, that's an almost unbeatable combo [08:25] you can get a used LCD monitor for home, then go on the road without the monitor [08:25] grab a USB hard drive and you have all the storage / backup space you need [08:25] demoncyber_ (~marco@187.59.80.52) left irc: Quit: Saindo [08:25] all these items can be found used or refurbished [08:26] slack_fish (~slack_fis@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [08:26] jonatan (~jonatan@81-226-63-190-no179.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:26] slava_dp, doing 11.1 now? [08:27] Ropmain, nope. that was just rumours. [08:27] but if he gets enough mails about it, he'll do it probably. 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[08:48] old computers [08:48] :\ [08:48] where can I find fluxbox? is it on Cd 1 (slack11) [08:48] What kernel it has? [08:48] 11 [08:48] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:48] don't you have a 486 in the closet? :) [08:49] 2.4.33.3 [08:49] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:49] Ropmain, in xap, which should be on cd3 [08:49] might as well use slackpkg [08:49] lol. Nope. The corniest is p3 512 megs. Well, it could use something lighter than modern distros I spose [08:50] But I'm fine with 10.04 on it %) Just avoid multitasking ;) [08:51] 13.0 was on it before and ran pretty smooth too [08:51] eww, ubuntu :) [08:51] Well, smooth as in 10 y/o computer %) [08:51] Surprisingly, it's not any slower than slackware [08:51] Action: johndee ducks [08:52] ._. [08:52] Yep [08:52] Action: slava_dp kicks and misses [08:52] I somehow think Slackware wasnt made with uber performance in mind anyway [08:52] :D [08:52] Oh, well [08:52] xD [08:53] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) joined ##slackware. [08:53] Not uber, but I thought it was supposed to outperform "bloated" distributions [08:54] slackware isn't so much made as assembled [08:54] debian might be a better choice :> [08:54] its just a kernel and a collection of packages [08:54] nph0rm (~chatzilla@pD9590935.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:54] Well considering a 5GB big default install "bloated" is a pretty relative term I think [08:55] Turns out bloated is a user added quality :p [08:55] tweaking the os is strictly a user excercise since such must be tailored to the situation [08:55] Action: Roin agrees [08:55] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [08:55] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [08:58] Would be nice to check it out, tho. Where to write? :) [08:58] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:58] to check out what, 11.1? :) [08:58] Yep [08:58] nonexistent :) [08:58] volkerdi@ [08:58] Roin, depends on your needs [08:58] Delahunt: hm? [08:59] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432233.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:59] aperturefever (~shevek@athedsl-195980.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:59] boat [08:59] er bloat [08:59] slava_dp: So it's a rumour? Who's responsible? :) [08:59] even GUI users won't need the 15-something CLI email clients [08:59] Thats true [08:59] jonatan (~jonatan@81-226-63-190-no179.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:59] johndee, /me :) [09:00] lol [09:00] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:00] was just telling that volkerdi mentioned he thought about it some time ago. [09:01] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [09:01] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-203.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:02] Uhuh [09:06] It can be used to play some old games and prolly valuable for collectors, but I don't see how else it can be of any use :\ [09:07] Ancient hardware like 486s, I mean [09:07] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:07] makes a good router [09:08] Too noisy :) [09:09] allend (~allend@CPE-58-168-195-209.lns3.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:09] what versions for apps should I use on the slack11 box? the newest ones, or the one listed in slackbuilds? ie. dosbox is in slackbuilds v 0.65 and latest is 0.74 [09:09] Action: johndee remembers his 21" crt with a max res of 800x600 [09:09] :~-) [09:09] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [09:11] johndee: I'm using a 17" CRT monitor :( [09:11] Dexter (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:13] i still have mine around but it was 1024x768 and weighs 70lbs and is 35" deep [09:14] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:14] Ropmain: the latest dosbox should not be a problem (in 11), as it has few dependencies. just update the slackbuild. however, latest gui apps can require newer libs, for which you would have to upgrade (=compile) a big portion of the system. [09:14] Graphics: Card nVidia G86 [GeForce 8500 GT] X.Org 1.7.7 Res: 1280x1024@50.0hz [09:14] GLX Renderer GeForce 8500 GT/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW! GLX Version 3.2.0 NVIDIA 195.36.15 [09:14] hm... [09:14] Channel flood from Roin -- kicking [09:14] 1280x1024 [09:14] Roin kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [09:14] Roin (~florian@p5B2BEF4A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:15] sorry @.@ [09:16] isn't /var/log a strange place to put package manager scripts and state? [09:17] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:18] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [09:19] I don't think it is, perhaps because when I started in Slackware 11+ years ago, that's where I found them. But maybe /var/lib/pkgtools would be a more Unixy place for them. [09:19] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:20] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:23] Ropmain (Roppmain@79.117.215.112) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:24] masterslakk (~mastersla@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [09:24] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:29] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Quit: take care... [09:32] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) left irc: Quit: mosno [09:34] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [09:36] nph0rm (~chatzilla@pD9590935.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:37] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) joined ##slackware. [09:39] woh3 (will@nv-67-232-145-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [09:41] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-124.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:45] Roin, BTW, I remember around 8.0 I used icewm, and Slackware had it, but in what was then "contrib/" directory (in 8.1 became "extra/".) [09:45] http://slackware.org.uk/slackware/slackware-8.0/contrib/icewm.txt [09:46] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@77.79.143.218.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:46] hrm, slackware is easier this time around... i will take this as a sign that i am getting smarter as time goes by (as opposed to dumber, as i previously suspected!) [09:46] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@77.79.143.218.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:47] imitis (~imis@92.49.4.160) joined ##slackware. [09:47] _S4MUR4I_ (~S4MUR4I@187.40.93.140) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:49] rob0: yeah, that would be more FHS [09:50] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) joined ##slackware. [09:53] rob0: Oh I see thanks [09:54] rob0: I personally like IceWM and unlike blackbox it is still under development, thats why I wondered they one had it but dont have it anymore [09:56] pnq (asdf@ACA4A679.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [09:57] Also, I think icewm (if it is like I remember it) would be a good choice for give-away junk computers, because it will have a more familiar feel than something like *box or WindowMaker. [09:57] Thats true [09:57] IceWM can look pretty much like Win 95 or OS/2 [09:57] And it is low in recourse usage, pretty fast and it is easy to configure *thumbsup* [09:58] I ran 8.0 on a P166 with probably ~64MB RAM. [09:59] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:59] rob0: http://imagebin.org/102078 or it can look like this, but it uses around 120MB of RAM by default for me [09:59] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:00] I mean it is Slackware 13.1 not 8.0 anyway [10:01] princeigor (~user@213.149.138.60) joined ##slackware. [10:02] figabo (~figabo@201.164.169.255) joined ##slackware. [10:02] That seems quite like XFCE to me. I'd still tell the guy to try with 13.1 and XFCE, see how it goes, if he was here. [10:06] Aidar-Nagato (admin@77.79.143.218.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left ##slackware. [10:08] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:08] figabo (~figabo@201.164.169.255) left irc: Quit: Computer has gone to sleep [10:11] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:15] sinuhe (~sinuhe@ip65-44-231-178.z231-44-65.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. 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[10:39] 0 now [10:39] depends on how much porn he's lookin' at [10:39] Action: slava_dp suggests reinstall and runs [10:39] i disabled all addons, restart firefox.. same lag [10:39] kill your profile [10:40] nope, that didnt work either [10:40] same lag.. it's only happening on my work machine [10:40] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:45] very annoying bug [10:46] phrag: Try with a clean user? [10:48] A clean user and dirty pr0n? No way! [10:48] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [10:48] there is no pr0n, i am at work! lol [10:49] Some people work with pr0n, you know. [10:49] last time i had this issue it was to do with the /etc/hosts [10:50] yeh, i went to school with a girl who now works for google as a 'google pr0n cleaner' [10:50] that's an odd job title [10:51] lol [10:52] i want a job. any leads? [10:52] well that's not the official title, but that's the sum of her work =P [10:52] prereq == no interest in pr0n [10:52] lol [10:52] the interview must have been a hoot [10:53] i'd be distracted with pix [10:53] bleh, gonna try restarting [10:54] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [10:57] Frosh (~Frosh@unaffiliated/frosh) joined ##slackware. [11:02] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.94.250) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:03] phrag: Are you experiencing the problem after suspend/resume ? [11:04] figabo (~figabo@201.164.169.255) left irc: Quit: Computer has gone to sleep [11:04] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] yasu_xxx (~adminroot@tetkyo133161.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [11:06] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:08] Action: nachox looks at phrag, if you want all your problems to dissapear by rebooting, switch to windows mate [11:08] nope, still the same interface lag problems after reboot [11:08] nachox: i had tried everything else i could think of [11:09] believe me.. i am at work, so can't afford to have 3 seconds lag everytime i click on firefox =P [11:09] install chrome? [11:09] Mel-nix: well, perhaps.. but same even after reboot [11:09] tried with new profile, disabled all extensions/addons, swapped hosts file, killed vpn [11:10] stumped [11:10] phrag: i had weird lag problems with firefox before...i've only had one other person experience it. [11:10] it stopped happening as randomly as it started [11:11] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [11:11] Why can I not find the export utility? [11:12] phrag: Have you meddled with the memory cache preferences? [11:12] twoshot_: what is the export utility? [11:12] to set environment variables [11:13] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-83-97.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [11:13] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [11:13] with bash you would use "export" [11:13] twoshot_: it's a bash function [11:13] that's what I'm trying. whereis doesn't return anything [11:13] twoshot_: `export' is a shell-built-in in bash(1). [11:13] oh [11:13] ok [11:13] no which =P [11:14] "help export" [11:14] help firefoxlag [11:14] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:14] phrag: is it the entire interface or just websites? [11:14] zaltekk: i;ve experianced it on this machine before, and it seemed to be as i'd removed the box's hostname from /etc/hosts [11:14] I tried running it with sudo to set the root env variable too and that was my problem :/ [11:15] had to su - first [11:16] zaltekk: just the interface, websites are fine [11:16] like the gtk part (File, Menu, Right Click on page) [11:17] right, that is the issue i had [11:17] hmm, just realised i am using kde 4.4.4 [11:18] think i'll downgrade to official slack ones [11:18] i doubt that is the problem [11:19] it may be just this hardware [11:19] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:19] as i've never had it on any other slack box.. and i've always ran slack [11:19] yasu_xxx (~adminroot@tetkyo133161.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:19] why would your hardware cause a single gtk application to behave sluggishly? [11:19] no idea, but it's random() so could be [11:20] i can assure you that my problem wasn't from hardware [11:20] How can I create a bootable USB drive for Slackware? (The one prompted for during setup). I do not have an optical drive. [11:21] tried google? [11:21] Mel-nix: look in usb-and-pxe-installers in the slackware ftp mirrors [11:21] zaltekk: Oh yes, just found it. Thanks. [11:23] allend (~allend@CPE-58-168-195-209.lns3.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:23] nachox: i got phra.gs back =) [11:27] nice [11:27] phrag: The `lag' is usual for me, both in firefox and seamonkey, especially with many tabs open or sites with flash(videos). [11:28] the interface lag we are talking about is a 2-4 second delay every time you click on something, even without websites loaded [11:29] you're hosting anything there phrag? [11:29] zaltekk: I understand. [11:29] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:31] nachox: not yet, still deciding what to do with it =P [11:31] but i got a fresh linode all setup for it =) [11:33] cool, i miss the old cow :) [11:33] might host a remote firefox browser there.. be less laggy than the current local client =P [11:34] Is it better to use LVM with 2(+) volume groups? What would be the benefits? [11:34] nixchix0R (~mrspwn@168-103-63-242.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [11:35] Mel-nix: resizing partitions and fitting a single partition across multiple drives(such as for expansion) [11:35] Alabarda (~david@189.11.214.34) joined ##slackware. [11:37] zaltekk: I have checked out a few examples on LVM. Most use a single VG, but a couple of them used 2. [11:38] well, if you just have one hard drive, you'll probably only have one volume group [11:38] uva (as@111-240-226-135.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:39] Mel-nix: do you have multiple physical devices? [11:39] ananke: I have 2 hard discs. [11:40] Mel-nix: then you can create PV on each disk, and create two VGs. this way your filesystems won't span across two disks [11:40] zaltekk: An example I referred to used 2 VGs: `system' and `user'. [11:40] Mel-nix: or you can create a single VG and have it span them [11:41] of course, keep in mind that spanning your filesystems across individual disks, without raid, increases risk of data loss [in the event one of those drives dies] [11:41] it is really up to personal preferences how you divide the system Mel-nix [11:42] luiss_ (~luiss@host16-185-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:42] zaltekk: Yes, but I just wanted to know if it was advantageous having 2 VGs. [11:42] Hi all, how do I do to know if a pkg is present in slackware mirrors? [11:43] Mel-nix: that example likely setup a volume group for / and a volume group for /home [11:43] for example if I need to know if VLC is in slack mirrors and which how do I do? thx [11:43] Mel-nix: 'advantage' is scenario dependant [11:43] luiss_: you could use slackpkg [11:43] luiss_: vlc is available from alienBOB's site [11:44] zaltekk: yes, but if I get no pkg found with a "slackpkg search vlc" what should I do? am I sure that I have to install it from sources? [11:44] luiss_: the next step is to check slackbuilds.org to see if there is a slackbuild script that will create the package from source for you [11:45] ok thanks [11:45] luiss_: http://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/restricted_slackbuilds/vlc/pkg/13.1/ [11:45] luiss_: but as i said, the easiest way to get VLC is from alienBOB's website. there are build scripts for all of the deps and a complete package [11:45] zaltekk: ok, but this wont be updated with a slackpkg update all.. [11:46] luiss_: correct. [11:47] zaltekk: and I have no way to get it updated once I launch update all? [11:48] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [11:49] luiss_: you'd just have to check if a new version was released [11:49] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:49] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:50] zaltekk: and moreover it wont keep track of dependencies, right? [11:50] luiss_: right. if you get the txz from alienBOB it will work as-is, though. [11:51] bruc3 (~radmin@unaffiliated/bruc3) joined ##slackware. [11:52] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-9-192.kotinet.com) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [11:56] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.15) joined ##slackware. [11:57] bruc3 (~radmin@unaffiliated/bruc3) left irc: Quit: CyberScript - Salve as tartaruguinhas marinha. Use CyberScript. (www.cyberscript.org) [11:57] dios_mio (1000@78.179.123.21) joined ##slackware. [11:57] I am on slackware 13.1 !! [11:57] YEA!!! [11:57] yeah baby!! [11:58] Nick change: bgs000 -> bgs100 [11:58] and on console too.. you cant imagine how leet i feel [12:01] excelente xD [12:01] you made it, it's all down hill from here [12:02] asarch (~asarch@189.188.150.86) joined ##slackware. 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[12:40] ke7xt (~user@a-129-196-226-105.ext.fluke.com) joined ##slackware. [12:42] nick4 (~fffeop@178.128.68.194.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:42] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:43] Boltsky (~bolt@cpe-76-168-252-230.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving... [12:45] has anyone here ever used the "wallpaper mode" in vlc? it doesn't just work when i enable it, and the videolan.org wiki/documentation section is offline [12:45] jjholt (~root@cblmdm72-240-21-44.buckeyecom.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:47] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:52] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [12:52] Hey guys look at this [12:52] http://www.aleutia.com/products/t1 [12:52] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [12:53] Aleutia company thinks ubuntu is a great OS while ubuntu is great only for newbies. [12:53] crocket: you're hallucinating. [12:53] adaptr, huh? [12:53] please keep your zealousness, whether positive or negative, to yourself [12:54] Axelpalm (~alch@77-233-72-53.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [12:55] adaptr, It is easier to interpret in the first place when you say "I don't care." [12:55] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [12:56] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:56] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [12:56] crocket: that should be your standard assumption. bashing other companies or OSes because you have a newbie opinion on them doesn't make you look kewl [12:58] That doesn't look too bad, but I'd still prefer a guruplug. [12:59] dive : what's your best? [12:59] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:59] best? [13:00] what do you mean? [13:00] what's your best server product? [13:00] dios_mio (1000@78.179.123.21) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:01] Oh I don't really know about which is best, but I still prefer a guru as it has no moving parts at all. [13:01] and it's cheaper. [13:01] but that is only for home server use. [13:02] for a real server then it would be better to buy something with a bit more power and capabilities. [13:02] jjholt (~root@cblmdm72-240-21-44.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [13:05] ke7xt (user@a-129-196-226-105.ext.fluke.com) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [13:06] ElectRo` (ElectRo@hack.the.gibson.hackthapla.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:07] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:08] sbsdoze (spookywo0k@CPE0012170da58c-CM00080d961284.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. 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[13:43] jonsmith1982 (~jon@89.240.228.229) joined ##slackware. [13:43] sahko: Ah I think it took 1 hour for me iirc [13:44] on what machine? [13:46] sahko: Yes, I have. [13:46] Uhm AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ [13:46] that sounds quite modern [13:46] thanks:) [13:47] fire|bird: remove the +q, damn :P [13:47] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:47] sahko: Pentium Dual-Core CPU E5300 @ 2.60GHz [13:48] i was thinking about compiling it on my netbook, but taking into account what you say its gonna take hours [13:48] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [13:49] raela: silence :p [13:49] xsamurai (~jamonyou@unaffiliated/xsamurai) joined ##slackware. [13:49] raela: it's removed. [13:49] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:49] well there's still a ban against me then [13:49] as there should be [13:50] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [13:50] thrice`: yeah but someone tried to remove it :P [13:50] raela: just a minute [13:50] the person who set it, even [13:51] jjholt (~root@cblmdm72-240-21-44.buckeyecom.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] raela, try now [13:52] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [13:52] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [13:52] fire|bird: nope [13:53] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [13:53] it was meant to be I guess. ;) [13:56] nick4 (~fffeop@178.128.68.194.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:57] nick4 (~fffeop@178.128.68.194.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [13:57] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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[14:30] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:31] good evening gents [14:31] greetings mancha [14:32] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [14:32] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [14:32] I just gave up on live switching between laptopt monitor and the external monitor. [14:33] whats live switching ? [14:33] Whenever I invoke "cat /sys/class/drm/card0-VGA-1/status", the monitor blinks. [14:33] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:33] Axelpalm (~alch@77-233-72-53.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:33] xsamurai, I wanted the laptop monitor to be turned off when an external monitor is connected to the laptop. [14:33] Axelpalm (~alch@77-233-72-53.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [14:33] If it is done automatically, it's called live switching. [14:34] ahhh, fancy term [14:34] biker (~biker@189.223.44.126.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [14:35] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [14:36] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:36] oh that pisses me off too [14:36] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [14:36] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [14:37] \o phrag [14:37] every morning i have to reconfigure my laptop display to pickup the ext monitor [14:37] well it's detected, just always forgets it's orientation and res [14:37] hi fire|bird 8o) [14:38] what about polling the monitor status and redoing resolution based upon that [14:38] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:39] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:39] xsamurai : how can I do VGA polling? [14:41] you guys know what the real problem is but you're afraid to admit it so you won't have to deal with it [14:41] crocket: google it =) [14:41] its udev [14:41] it's taking up enough of my tim everyday to make it worth fixing (even for a non dev like me) [14:41] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [14:41] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [14:41] Skywise: you got me, I admit I shave my legs every day , there you happy [14:42] i can't fix udev [14:42] no one can [14:42] xsamurai : according to others, VGA polling is not supported in linux kernel 2.6.34. [14:42] xsamurai: that sounds far too time consuming [14:42] xsamurai, being hairless is fine, you should try waxing or epliating [14:42] i could probably cobble together some sort of hack to fix my particular issue tho =P [14:43] whenever your hardware won't do what you expect, its because udev said so [14:43] Skywise : udev can't do VGA polling. [14:43] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:43] ha [14:43] ok guys, lets get working on *nudev* [14:44] the kernel should do the polling via vesa on the vga port [14:44] that way it knows the monitor to use and what settings [14:44] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:45] have you tried setting the default res for the monitor resource? [14:46] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [14:47] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.86.39.153.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:47] are you telling me the bloated linux kernel with all its feature of supporting dingle berries and other willy wonka toys, does not support vga polling ? [14:47] heh [14:48] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [14:48] i'd look in to it but i can't find any motivation [14:48] Skywise: same here, i dont use laptop as my desktop and rarely plug it in an external display [14:48] my laptop always picks up the tv at the correct resolution and refresh rate [14:49] zaltekk, so does that mean you're willing to share your laptop with everyone who has a problem? [14:49] hehe [14:49] problem solved [14:49] i was saying that i don't know why you'd say it doesn't poll when mine obviously does with 13.1 [14:49] hmm, i dont actually have my work laptop with me, but i'm going to make it my mission to fix it [14:49] Skywise : tell me how to do it [14:50] wow [14:50] oh, wait, i didn't use a vga cable though...nevermind [14:50] you could make menuconfig and read all the options [14:50] Skywise : my default monitor resolutions are set in /etc/X11/xorg.conf [14:50] crocket, oh that... [14:50] thats easier, your monitor should be defined somewhere, with its timing and supported resolutions [14:51] Skywise : the problem is how to do VGA polling. [14:51] the first res is the default, and then you can put the rest of the resolutions supported behind it or leave them out if you don't wanna use them [14:51] I have no problem with resolutions [14:52] well, i think your problem is more along the lines you have multimonitor support and you don't want it enabled [14:52] you could either check to see if there is a bios option [14:52] hmm? [14:53] or you could see if there is a X option for only using a single monitor [14:54] There is no if statement in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. [14:54] I turn off the laptop monitor by default in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. [14:54] no, i mean in your laptop's bios when you boot [14:54] OK let me reboot [14:55] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:55] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:58] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [14:58] There is no multimonitor entry in BIOS [14:58] k [14:59] Is it the end of everything? [15:00] No, there will always be cockroaches. And Slackware. [15:00] yes!!!?!?1111one [15:00] xroach! [15:00] and adaptr [15:00] probably [15:00] do you have a monitor button on your keyboard? [15:00] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [15:01] huh [15:01] yes [15:01] It doesn't work on linux. [15:01] why aren't you using xrandr? [15:01] ml4711 (~morten@0x50a69862.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:01] adrien : I want to automate the process. [15:01] well [15:01] Skywise, my laptop keyboard doesn't work without i8042.dumbkbd kernel parameter. [15:02] it's automated in 2.6.35 kernels I think [15:02] ml4711 (~morten@0x50a69862.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:02] or if you want to press a button, you can use an acpi event handler [15:02] adrien : It's said to only detect the connection but not the disconnection. [15:02] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.86.39.153.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:02] Is Fn + F7 connected to an acpi event? [15:03] what happens when you try it [15:03] Nothing happens [15:08] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:08] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [15:08] This reminds me of the movie idiocracy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMdi-lOqDv8&feature=player_embedded [15:08] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:09] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:10] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [15:11] asarch (~asarch@189.188.146.114) joined ##slackware. [15:12] What's wrong with taxi cabs? [15:12] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:14] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [15:14] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:14] makes you really consider reproduction control based on iq and moral grounds [15:14] nixchix0R (~mrspwn@168-103-63-242.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:16] hmm [15:16] Eugenics [15:17] But that's gonna reduce newborn babies, and would lead to older population. [15:19] think about all the stupid babies you have now [15:19] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:19] I don't have them. [15:19] i meant in society [15:19] All babies are born stupid. [15:20] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [15:20] he [15:20] crocket thats a false statement [15:20] Babies can't do math can't walk can't do anything. [15:21] you are comparing a babies level of intelligence with an adults [15:21] yes [15:23] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [15:23] gh0st (~gh0st@129.8.66.146) joined ##slackware. [15:23] nph0rm (~chatzilla@pD9590935.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] anyone know of a nice battery manager/viewer for fluxbox? [15:23] lovely. suddenly intelligence becomes equal to knowledge? that's funny [15:24] wmacpiload [15:24] gh0st: conky :P [15:24] xsamurai : how can I distinguish smart babies from stupid babies? [15:24] ananke: crocket isn't the brightest crayon in the box.. [15:24] Can anybody do it? [15:25] gh0st: if you use dockapps i like wmacpiload, goes well with the other wm*load dockapps. conky would be a good solution too [15:25] dunno, if your baby keeps crawling in circles and he's cross-eyed and drools a lot , those might be signs he's not the brightest of the batch [15:26] an expert advice always begins with 'dunno' [15:26] haha [15:26] danix (~danix@host71-48-dynamic.57-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:27] dockapps? havent heard of that, just trying out fluxbox since it uses less resources [15:27] i can work for bp then [15:27] ty tho [15:27] gh0st: conky is pretty good [15:28] xsamurai : I don't like the method of implementing eugenics. [15:28] xsamurai: not like it's on topic, but drooling in babies is often a symptom of teething. [15:29] In the past, birth control involved surgeries and chemical treatments. [15:29] crocket: eugenics is not the answer to society issues [15:29] bob^^^ (~bob^^@197.Red-81-33-78.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [15:29] treating humans like stocks. [15:29] Shuren (~Devilman@host254-43-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [15:30] i've seen some smart guys come from illiterate family backgrounds [15:30] Action: bob^^^ good night [15:30] xsamurai : any idea about reducing the number of fools in this world? [15:30] bob^^^: there can only be one bob in this channel at a time [15:30] blaines (~blaines@67.130.168.2) joined ##slackware. [15:31] crocket: god knows, i've passed my 5 minute off-topic limit =) [15:31] any fast solution for "deprecated conversion from string constant to 'char*'" [15:31] blaines (~blaines@67.130.168.2) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [15:32] select a newer version number of the application, if available [15:32] blaines (~blaines@67.130.168.2) joined ##slackware. [15:32] it is a git clone... [15:32] otherwise start looking for patches [15:32] or patch it yourself [15:32] thanks (bye) [15:32] bob^^^ (~bob^^@197.Red-81-33-78.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:33] crocket: in your case: /quit will help. [15:35] Axelpalm (~alch@77-233-72-53.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:35] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:38] biker (~biker@189.223.44.126.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:40] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [15:41] I can't chroot...... [15:41] chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory [15:42] need more information on that.. like version, other issues, etc [15:42] delete anything strange, no full install.. [15:43] it's a full install [15:43] didn't delete anything [15:43] 13.1 [15:44] no other issues [15:44] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) joined ##slackware. [15:44] pcastle (~pcastle@76.91.65.239) joined ##slackware. [15:44] can you run bash? [15:45] twoshot_: what's the full command you run? [15:45] I'm running /bin/sh [15:45] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-210-253.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [15:45] but that's a symbolic link to bash [15:45] sudo chroot /mnt/lfs [15:48] an extended partition is mounted there if that matters [15:49] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [15:50] Does anyone know what the ramifications of changing the default 256 inode size back to 128? [15:50] Apparently, Windows tools to read ext2/3/4 filesystems don't support 256 inode sizes [15:51] where can I find the chroot package? [15:51] Shuren (~Devilman@host254-43-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[15:59] usually renamed to tolua_orig-version but md5sums are the same [15:59] droog (~navi@unaffiliated/droog) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:00] you can just rename it to what you want [16:00] imitis (imis@92.49.4.160) left ##slackware. [16:00] xtr3m3 (~xtr3m3@87-194-25-59.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:01] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.15) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [16:02] sahko, but wouldnt it be a .deb? [16:02] or do they host .tar.gz [16:02] gh0st: you can search for source [16:02] no [16:02] like so http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/tolua++ [16:02] http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/tolua++/tolua++_1.0.93.orig.tar.bz2 [16:03] rename it to what the SlackBuild expects [16:03] remove the .orig part [16:03] and verify the checksum [16:04] okay thanks, got it [16:04] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:05] last question, how did you search for that? google something like site : debain.org "query" ? [16:05] th3c0d3r (~coder@86.123.204.200) left irc: Quit: . [16:06] packages.debian.org [16:06] they provide search [16:06] nvision (~nvision@e179132087.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:06] you can also search via google , debian pkgname source [16:06] should come up [16:07] thanks xsam [16:07] xsamurai: thanks, I'll check it out [16:07] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:07] antiwire: np, hopefully you wont have to resize [16:07] packages.debian.org/$PRGNAM works faster [16:07] asarch (~asarch@189.188.146.114) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:08] j0z (unix@189.58.30.218.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:08] j0z (unix@189.58.30.218.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [16:08] j0z (unix@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [16:08] pcastle (~pcastle@76.91.65.239) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:08] usually that'll return loads of split packages but many have the same source [16:09] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Quit: Leaving... [16:09] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:10] what requires tolua? [16:11] conky or something [16:11] yea, it was conky [16:11] newer conky's? my version didn't [16:11] odd I dont recall needing that [16:13] interesting new slackbuild mentions it [16:15] maybe it is 1.8+ seems --disable-lua is available. [16:17] it was in the slackbuild :/ [16:17] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:17] since he wants to monitor his battery usage , im sure he'll need lua feature for things like beeping [16:18] wheres an appropriate file for me to add a conky command to start up on boot? [16:19] i mean, upon startingx [16:19] you would place it in your user directory in conkyrc [16:19] err [16:19] .fluxbox/startup [16:20] ty [16:20] use conkyrc to store your conky configurations [16:20] i did [16:20] most DEs and windo managers have startup files. [16:20] but its currently in my home folder [16:20] yeah thats where it should be [16:20] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:20] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [16:20] eBurke (~tomasz@dynamic-78-8-239-31.ssp.dialog.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:21] i dont want to have to type conky -c .conkyrc everytime i boot, so .fluxbox/startup? [16:21] or rc.local [16:21] not to mention i dont want to have to keep the terminal window open :\ [16:21] not rc.local. np [16:21] :p [16:22] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.43.107) joined ##slackware. [16:23] whats wrong with .xinitrc ? [16:23] wrong? [16:23] as a place to start conky [16:23] you tell me [16:24] I can't think of anything [16:25] gh0st: can put an init in one of the flux files I believe [16:25] probably nothing, besides the fact that i didn't know the importance of .xinitrc [16:25] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Client Quit [16:25] in the startup file i just put "conky -c ~/.conkyrc" [16:26] is chroot only for individual programs? [16:26] should be fine as long as i dont startx as root [16:26] you could just do conky.. it defaults to reading ~/.conkyrc [16:26] I can't chroot to a directory without running a program? [16:26] ty raela [16:26] didnt know [16:26] gh0st (~gh0st@129.8.66.146) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:26] twoshot_ think about that question a bit... [16:26] mancha, I have been. [16:26] gh0st: .xinitrc is read by startx [16:27] think a bit more :) [16:27] conky & [16:27] ^ [16:27] well everything I'm seeing is that you have to run a program with it, but I thought I'd seen something about temporarily moving your root directory and then changing it back later [16:28] twoshot, ok, what do you understand by chroot? [16:28] hi, i want to use a slackware linux distribution, but [16:28] but? [16:28] but, i'm not a advanced user (nerd) of computers, this is possible ? [16:29] uh it's really not -that- hard.. but.. why do you want slackware then? [16:29] hm, well you ARE in irc. [16:29] yeah, slackware is user friendly enough i think that an intermediate person can use it [16:29] mancha, that it changes the perceived root directory to allow running programs as if that directory was root [16:29] jalmeida: short answer: yes. [16:30] jalmeida: if you can read and comprehend man docs you should be fine with slackware, just dont expect the distro to hold your hand [16:30] although at times, it might hug you [16:31] so "chrooting to a directory" doesn't make sense. you can start a shell with $DIR as your root dir, which is as best I can guess your question meant to ask.. [16:31] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [16:31] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [16:32] so "chroot /my/mnt/root/dir bash" orleaving out bash which has the same effect [16:32] mancha: of course it makes sense, in the sense that it has to - you can't not chroot to a directory [16:32] if you mean he's stating the obvious, well, then say that :P [16:33] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Client Quit [16:33] and once again i have no clue what adaptr says... [16:33] it's become a daily issue with him heh [16:33] mancha, ok [16:34] [22:29:09] so "chrooting to a directory" doesn't make sense. <-- can you tell me what else he should chroot to ? [16:34] xsamurai, ok, i'm use ubuntu now. [16:34] twoshot_ so your shell will be started with that dir as its perceived root. and this will be inherited by any spawned process within that shell. [16:34] but i want to use slackware [16:35] jalmeida: by all means do, you'll enjoy it better then ubuntu [16:35] mancha, I'm getting the same error as I had 15 minutes ago :/ [16:35] twoshot, what error is this? [16:36] chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory [16:36] what command are you runnin? [16:36] xsamurai, for example make my desktop transformation [16:36] http://polishlinux.org/stuff/screenshots/slackware/slackware_largo3.png [16:36] =) [16:37] twoshot, once it thinks $DIR is the root, it'll look for /bin/bash in $DIR/bin/bash [16:38] hey when trying to install slackware64 [16:38] "isolinux: Disk error 01, AX = 4266, drive FE" error [16:39] twoshot, i think you've not populated your chroot environment. which suggests to me you need to read up on what chroot does a bit more (as does adaptr) [16:39] jalmeida: I always like that desktop pic too :) [16:40] you have to bin and lib directories in whatever you are trying to chroot into [16:40] *have to have [16:40] I created bin and lib directories [16:40] did you put bash in the bin ? [16:40] twoshot_: what are you trying to accomplish btw with the chroot setup , just testing ? [16:40] Does anyone know what that error means? [16:41] xsamurai, building packages for lfs [16:41] i.e. cp -a /bin/bash $DIR/bin/bash [16:41] and installingm [16:41] but I don't want them overwriting slackware packages [16:41] twoshot_: http://slackworld.berlios.de/2007/chroot_howto.html [16:42] read up , i think you're missing the basics and make sure you have the proper libs installed on the system needed to support the chroot environment [16:43] i thought there was a slackbuild for hp-printer drivers [16:43] twoshot, the bottom line is the environment will need to be self sufficient (unless you take shortcuts like bind mounts) [16:43] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:43] k [16:43] twoshot, this usually means a skeleton environment with the needed libs for bash,cp,mv,etc along with those binaries. [16:44] then add one by as you need more things. [16:44] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:44] *one by one [16:44] for example, bash needs the termcap lib, etc. [16:46] rabies (~micemicer@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [16:46] has anyone used extundelete before? [16:47] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:47] nph0rm (~chatzilla@pD9590935.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:48] make install.... what directory does that write to? [16:48] root or cwd? [16:48] nph0rm (~chatzilla@pD9590B69.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:48] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:49] twoshot, that depends on the Makefile. many respect the DESTDIR variable [16:49] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:49] is DESTDIR in makefile? [16:49] so make install DESTDIR=/my/own/dir will use that as a top level [16:49] oh ok [16:49] thanks [16:49] yes, you should see "DESTDIR" in the Makefile itself. [16:50] danix (~danix@host71-48-dynamic.57-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:50] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [16:50] ALVAN (~galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:54] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:54] which group is it that i need to be a member of to fix the issue where you have to be root to use xsane and print utils? [16:54] scanner group for xsane [16:55] yeah but there's a group to be able to see usb printers [16:56] (for hp-setup) [16:58] plugdev for udev events (like when a thumbdrive is plugged in) [16:58] is it really worth installing / using fail2ban ? [16:59] dustybin, what's wrong, don't you like someone in china brute forcing your sshd port? [17:00] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:00] What does "isolinux: Disk error 01, AX = 4266, drive FE" error mean? [17:00] dartmouth: that wont happen if you use a non-standard port [17:00] dartmouth: im more worried about my mail ports [17:01] pireau (1000@208.92.18.106) joined ##slackware. [17:01] dustybin: security by obscurity is a bad idea, and port scans will find the alternate ssh port [17:01] jalmeida (~jalmeida@c934233f.virtua.com.br) left irc: Quit: Fui embora [17:01] on debian we had a /var/log/auth.log [17:01] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [17:02] what is that log called in slackware? [17:02] /var/log/secure ? [17:02] ssh logs to messages by defaul t [17:02] secure is for like sudo stuff [17:02] aye ok [17:02] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: gone [17:03] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) joined ##slackware. [17:03] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.38.42) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:04] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:08] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-124.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:12] sking: like every security solution, theres no one solution, obscurity is just another layer [17:12] v4nelle (~van@ipa231.9.tellas.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:12] i find changing ssh port # from default to something above the standard nmap scan range reduces lots of unwanted traffic [17:12] that too [17:13] doesnt guarantee me security just means i dont have to see script kiddies humping port 22 every 2 seconds [17:13] heh [17:14] rabies (micemicer@core.routed.com) left ##slackware. [17:14] use something like bfd to stop that [17:14] you will need something like bfd anyway [17:14] obscurity should never be used as a security layer [17:14] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [17:15] it ads complexity which is not required, and lures users into a false sense of security [17:15] you can put limits on the fw to auto block ips after x amount of connections to ssh port in a minute [17:16] theres something like zoneminder that monitors logs and does that [17:16] not sure what it is exactly, but there are several programs around for it [17:16] pf comes with sweet max-src-conn-rate [17:16] no need to read logs [17:16] a conn rate is different than a failed login attempt [17:17] fail2ban does that [17:17] it uses iptables [17:17] you missed my hump analogy earlier [17:17] aye up [17:18] jomo (~mich@p3EE2115C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [17:18] how can i send a command to another server on my LAN? [17:19] i think i need to setup ssh keys [17:19] and let ssh execute a command [17:19] ssh keys is one way, however ssh keys are insecure if not managed properly and secured properly& another option is RPC [17:19] ssh root@www 'ps -ef | grep apache | grep -v grep | wc -l' [17:19] rsh is another one [17:19] haha [17:20] and why should we not use rsh? lol [17:20] i want my mythtv frontend to execute a command on my backend [17:20] maybe there is a mythtv way of doing this [17:20] it already does that with its own daemons [17:20] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [17:20] I believe mythtv already has that capability - need to check the mythtv docs [17:20] yep [17:20] is anyone around with a compaq and/or acer laptop? i'm wondering what exactly this "Compaq Diagnostics" partition(0x12) is, and if it is bootable from lilo [17:21] zaltekk: that is a partition used to recover your computer.. its put there by compaq, and is not bootable by lilo [17:22] well, i was wondering if it actually had hardware diagnostics software on it [17:22] probably [17:22] this person's laptop seems to have a failing videocard [17:22] look up how to access it and give it a shot [17:22] it probably wont' detect failed video however [17:22] http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_System_Events [17:24] well, it has vista on it. the system freezes if the nvidia driver(either the newest from nvidia.com or the one from acer) is used. with the stock vga driver it works okay. [17:24] i tried a linux livecd and it freezes with noveau loads [17:24] s/with/when/ [17:25] try F10 atPOST [17:25] did you look through the Xorg.log file? [17:26] mancha: i read that on google, but it doesn't do anything. i end up getting the vista boot options. [17:26] sking: how would i read an xorg log from a frozen livecd? [17:26] actually install slack somewhere [17:26] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:26] zaltekk, maybe it is a boot sector thing,did you overwrite the OEM mbr with lilo? [17:26] i was thinking about putting a different harddrive in it and installing a system [17:26] like on a usb stick or something [17:27] does x even start to load, or does it freeze when the kernel module is loaded? [17:27] mancha: no. it boots into windows in safe mode just fine. the only problems seem to be with a video driver that supports hardware acceleration [17:28] sking: the last lines i see are about noveau, and then the screen goes blank. hdd and cd access stop [17:28] i meant the F10 functionality might be encoded intot eh MBR. if you re-wrote it yopu might have nuked it. As for video, i reocmmend you boot into a liveCD in console mode, add a boot option.... [17:29] mancha: i tried "rdblacklist=noveau 3", but noveau still loaded....i'm not sure what else to do since i can't edit /etc/modules/blacklist.conf on the cd [17:29] then, if possible set up sshd and ssh in from another computer where you startx from [17:29] mancha: i don't think it even gets as far as starting X [17:29] i am saying you don't start X on boot [17:29] mancha: it seems to load noveau to do framebuffering [17:29] Frosh (~Frosh@unaffiliated/frosh) left irc: Quit: Night Night! [17:30] mancha: right. and it still freezes. [17:30] you can't boot into console either? [17:30] nope [17:30] noveau still loads [17:30] ack. ok. new strategy then. [17:30] Anyone have Bluetooth hardware in their machine and want to try out some software I am working on? [17:30] eXile_ (~exile@S0106000c6ed275c1.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:30] i think putting in a spare haddrive is my only other option [17:32] mancha: as for the F10 thing, this laptop has never had anything on it other than the factory installation of windows vista [17:32] what about old live CDs? pre-nouveau? [17:32] i have a stack of about 30 dvds/cds that aren't labelled...i'm sure one or two are live cds... [17:33] ElectRo` (ElectRo@hack.the.gibson.hackthapla.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:33] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:36] I got ip forwarding setup and about 4 hosts behind the NAT machine. I am just using simple iptables rules using static assignments 192.168.2.X every thing works fine and I get decent transfer rates, but I notice that there is a 1 -2 second delay in opening webpages, [17:36] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:36] and the first hop of a tracroute seems to time out on both the NAT box and the boxes behind it, I have tryed changing the nameservers in resolve.conf although they normaly get assigned form dhcp [17:37] I dont ge tthe issue if I plug one of the boxes directly into the cable modem (and they pull the same nameservers via dhcp) [17:37] blaines (~blaines@67.130.168.2) left irc: Quit: Leaving... [17:38] any thing that jumps out at any one why this would be hapening? [17:41] Herman (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:42] eXile_: Hard to say without seeing your netfilter ruleset. [17:42] k one sec [17:43] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [17:43] http://pastebin.com/dni7Wuu8 [17:44] Wow... that's about as simple as they come, but what are the default targets? Gimme iptables -L output. [17:45] http://pastebin.com/K4FLeb26 [17:46] I made it that simple on purpose I watned everything to work right first before I started adding security stuff [17:46] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-9-192.kotinet.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:46] first hop on the NAT box itself times out [17:46] which generally means dns right? [17:47] mtl_ (~mtl@a91-156-13-231.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [17:47] No, that generally means icmp TTL exceeded packets aren't returned. [17:48] http://pastebin.com/Pxz4jENc from three differnt hosts [17:48] Bad DNS would still give you an IP address. [17:48] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-9-192.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [17:48] it does give me an ip right away then times out [17:48] and nslookup works fine instantly [17:48] If I install slackware by using only install iso disc1, will i have all of a/ap/d/e/l/n sets [17:48] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [17:48] mtl_ the cdrom iso or the dvd? [17:48] ElectRo` (ElectRo@hack.the.gibson.hackthapla.net) joined ##slackware. [17:48] eBurke, cdrom iso [17:49] mtl_: I believe you are correct, sir. [17:49] yea [17:49] thanks [17:49] eXile_: That is odd. [17:50] your telling me :P [17:50] eXile_: Typically those sort of time-outs occur because the router in question refuses to send ICMP TTL Exceeded frames. [17:50] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:51] ok but if I unplug the cable modem, and plug it directly into on of the other boxes, pull an ip, it doesnt happen [17:51] somehting is going on with the slack box [17:51] Those would be ICMP Type 11 messages. [17:51] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-71-128.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [17:51] no? [17:51] eXile_: Correct. [17:51] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [17:51] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [17:52] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.42.205) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:52] well.... no idea then. [17:52] eXile_: This should not make any difference whatsoever, but give it a try. [17:52] k [17:53] iptables -A INPUT -i eth1 -j ACCEPT [17:54] iptables -A OUTPUT -o eth1 -j ACCEPT [17:54] That should make absolutely no difference, given that your default chain policy is ACCEPT. [17:54] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:55] yea same deal [17:55] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Quit: Changing server [17:56] Ok. Gimme the output of netstat -rn on the router. [17:57] blaines (~blaines@75-171-80-134.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:57] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.42.205) joined ##slackware. [17:57] http://pastebin.com/JPJehAZ0 - I see something about 192.168.2.0 (that address shouldent exist should it?) could it possibly be that I didnt set a default gateway either I assumed dhcp would handle that [17:57] Herman (~Hermannn@c-ac51e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [17:58] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:58] eXile_: No that's perfectly normal. [17:58] blaines (~blaines@75-171-80-134.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [17:58] I'm assuming the router is 192.168.2.1? [17:59] correct [17:59] blaines (~blaines@75-171-80-134.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] And that is the default gateway for the others? [17:59] yes [18:00] blaines (~blaines@75-171-80-134.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [18:00] That is *really* unusual. [18:00] considering I though I set evreything up very simply I would have to agree, I am goikng to verify once more that this in fact no delay or missed hop if I plug the modem in directly [18:01] blaines (~blaines@75-171-80-134.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:01] ridout (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:01] blaines (~blaines@75-171-80-134.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [18:02] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:02] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432233.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:02] Prefect (Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [18:03] blaines (~blaines@75-171-80-134.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] Transformer (~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] eXile_: Ok, here's something to try. [18:03] tcpdump -i eth1 'icmp[icmptype] != icmp-echo and icmp[icmptype] != icmp-echoreply' [18:03] eXile_, what happens if you use lynx? [18:03] Run that on the server, traceroute something on the net from one of your firewalled boxen, and pastebin the output. [18:03] blaines (~blaines@75-171-80-134.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [18:04] i mean use lynx for the nat host [18:04] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-432233.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:04] Skywise: What is that supposed to resolve? [18:04] see if the issue is infront of, crossing or behind the nat [18:05] Skywise: lynx won't tell you that. [18:05] on the nat, is there isn't the same delay then its not infront of the nat [18:05] eXile_ (~exile@S0106000c6ed275c1.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:05] there he goes... [18:05] Wasn't me! 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[18:28] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:29] Alan_Hicks turns out it was upstream [18:29] blaines (~blaines@75-171-80-134.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [18:29] thanks for your help though [18:29] there ya go [18:30] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:30] blaines (~blaines@75-171-80-134.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:30] Herman (~Hermannn@c-ac51e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:31] blaines (~blaines@75-171-80-134.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [18:32] blaines (~blaines@75-171-80-134.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] blaines (~blaines@75-171-80-134.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [18:34] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [18:34] blaines (~blaines@75-171-80-134.phnx.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:58] Herman (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:58] first of all theres no slack build. you might want to ask in #transmission [18:59] there is a slackbuild [18:59] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@75-171-80-134.phnx.qwest.net' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [18:59] blaines kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [18:59] jomo (~mich@p3EE2115C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:59] but its in .config/transmission [18:59] ##slackware: mode change '-o phrag' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [18:59] http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=transmission&sv=13.1 [18:59] thats not a slack build. its an sbo one [19:00] huh? [19:00] slack build != SlackBuild [19:00] um ok [19:00] learn to express yourself [19:00] lotec, the answer you want is it is in your .config dir...look in .config/transmission [19:01] mancha, i dont have a .config/transmission [19:01] then you didn't yet run transmission [19:02] transmission demon is running righ tnow [19:02] right now [19:02] the setting file is for the client [19:03] isn't it? [19:03] xsamurai (~jamonyou@unaffiliated/xsamurai) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [19:05] the real answer from me is i don't know. i've never used transmission-daemon. [19:07] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:09] sinuhe (~sinuhe@ip65-44-231-178.z231-44-65.customer.algx.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:10] mancha, got it [19:11] tsonev (~tsonev@unaffiliated/tsonev) joined ##slackware. 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Ive never used one before [20:08] IIRC there isnt one [20:08] lf4 (~KJR@unaffiliated/lf4) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:09] woh3: what specifically do you want to accomplish [20:09] mplayer can take screencaps from the cam [20:10] skype & ekiga can use it (if it's supported) for videoconferencing [20:10] I've used both mplayer & skype with my webcam. works fine here [20:11] well, all I know is that I plugged in the webcam, i honestly hoped it would be treated as a usb camera [20:11] its logitech [20:11] ive been googling [20:12] i've been using mine with VLC to stream audio&video, seems to work OK [20:12] pcastle (~pcastle@166.205.136.167) joined ##slackware. [20:13] i plug it in, and a logitech device shows up in lsusb [20:15] sking (~sking@24.238.12.206) joined ##slackware. [20:15] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [20:16] GArik_ (~wesnoth@89.179.149.121) joined ##slackware. [20:17] hubbe (~jonatan@81-226-63-190-no179.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [20:18] do you end up with /dev/video0 ? [20:18] or /dev/video1 etc etc [20:20] i do not have /dev/video? [20:20] or more accurately what I meant, i do not have /dev/video* [20:20] then you still have some work to do. exactly what, no clue [20:20] right [20:21] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-210-253.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [20:25] xdoctor (~Joseph@201.79.243.62) joined ##slackware. [20:25] alema0ff (~alema0@merlin.syncer.com) joined ##slackware. [20:25] Stx (stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [20:28] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:29] woh3, what camera? what does lsusb call it? [20:29] check dmesg as well\ [20:30] Bus 002 Device 007: ID 046d:080f Logitech, Inc. [20:30] basically when you plug it in it should just make a /dev/video0, if it does not then the driver is not loading, often it is because it needs firmware [20:30] if that is the case you will see it in dmesg [20:30] GArik_ (~wesnoth@89.179.149.121) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:31] hubbe (~jonatan@81-226-63-190-no179.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:32] pcastle (~pcastle@166.205.136.167) left irc: Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi [20:32] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:32] otho (~otho@unaffiliated/otho) joined ##slackware. [20:33] woh3, uvcvideo is the driver [20:33] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:33] woh3, if the site ever comes up... http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/ [20:34] http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/6/20/dell-u-turns-ubuntu/ [20:36] jon_ (~jon@d069167.adsl.hansenet.de) joined ##slackware. [20:37] can i use slackpkg to upgrade to a higher major version ? [20:37] yes [20:37] as long as you do it properly. [20:37] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:39] could you point me to any documentation or the pitfalls themselves ? [20:39] it's all in the changes and hints and README [20:39] woh3 (~will@nv-67-232-145-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:39] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [20:43] woh3 (~will@nv-67-232-145-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] i figured it out, it works fine now, I just had it plugged into a hub, when I plugged it into an actual port it loaded /dev/video right up [20:46] would this be the right thing to do after updating the mirror: update, install-new, upgrade-all [20:46] Anyone have Bluetooth hardware in their box and want to give some new software I am running a shot? [20:46] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:46] jon_, a mirror will contain a file called "CHANGES_AND_HINTS.txt" for upgrade quirks [20:46] so, 13.1 will have the info for what upgrading to 13.1 might give trouble [20:47] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [20:47] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:47] ok and this file is downloaded on "update" ? [20:47] or do i have to browse for it [20:49] cesurasean (~sbrady@server.simplewebhosting.us) joined ##slackware. [20:49] pnq (asdf@AC814DE6.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [20:49] lf4 (~KJR@unaffiliated/lf4) joined ##slackware. [20:49] browse for it :> [20:50] also UPGRADE.TXT [20:50] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:50] but that doesnt mention slackpkg [20:50] yes, upgrade.txt is kinda worthless if you're using slackpkg, but can't hurt to view it I suppose :> [20:51] maybe someone who uses slackpkg should send a patch [20:51] motzmo (~x0a@2001:0:53aa:64c:0:fbe8:ad65:96c) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:52] alright thanks for the hints! i will try going from 9.1 to 10 now [20:54] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [20:55] Transformer (~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [20:56] Transformer (Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [20:57] Nine point one? to ten? Huh? [20:58] And you're going to continue upgrading all the way to 13.1? [20:58] hi folks, i need to compute a result and set in a field, my object is in django-admin i need to redefine the templates to do it? or maybe any app to create function fields? [20:58] ovnicraft (ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left ##slackware. [20:59] rob0: yes i thought that would be a safe way to go [20:59] would you recommend going straight to current ? [20:59] I would just do a fresh install of 13.1. [20:59] I'd just clean install [20:59] w4lk (~w4lk@cpe-066-026-123-133.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:59] it will be a LOT less work for you [21:00] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@75-171-80-134.phnx.qwest.net expired. [21:00] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@75-171-80-134.phnx.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:00] ok i'm sure youre right [21:00] but i had some trouble getting newer versions installed [21:00] its a 486 machine [21:00] oh [21:01] Do you have a more powerful machine available? If so, I would take out the drive, run the install on the newer machine, then put it back in the 486. [21:01] jeev (~email@174.139.9.42) left irc: Changing host [21:01] jeev (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [21:02] Problem is, you have to boot from CD/DVD/USB these days, and 486s did not have those capabilities. [21:02] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:02] exactly, i also tried it with a newer version first but didnt try out older kernels i guess [21:03] how much ram? [21:03] lotec (lotec@pool-108-9-73-223.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:03] I don't think you'd have any problems *running* 13.1 on a 486, but yes, installing is a challenge. [21:04] 40mb [21:04] id stay with 9.1 :p [21:04] stormtracknole (stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [21:04] or give 10.x a shot [21:04] (I wouldn't try X or anything GUI, but even that might work with something other than KDE.) [21:04] haha yeah not planing on anything involving X [21:05] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt3-port-67.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] yeah sahko i think i will try out 10.x first [21:05] motzmo (~x0a@2001:0:53aa:64c:0:fbe8:ad65:96c) joined ##slackware. [21:06] do you use it for anything? [21:06] its an iptables router/firewall in my moms basement [21:06] but i primarily run it for fun [21:07] see, for that I would really want to go with the latest. [21:07] iptables has come a long way in those years. [21:07] yeah you're right [21:08] jhw_ (~jhw@p57982EFE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] you're indecisive :) [21:08] well i think i should really go in small steps and check the system after each upgrade [21:08] Cann0n (~jack@dialup-4.91.97.122.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] do you have enough disk space that you can revert to 9.1? [21:09] Probably not the answer you are looking for, but I have always found BSD to run better than Linux on hardware that old. [21:09] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [21:09] BSD also has the advantage of a single-floppy installer [21:09] ah, that would help for a 486 [21:09] i have a recent backup [21:09] We (Linux) lost that ability with 2.6 kernels [21:10] i thought about BSD but in the the end unfortunately didnt feel like getting into it [21:11] jhw (~jhw@p57982ED6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:11] I'd just install to the disk using a different system [21:12] that's definitely the easy way [21:12] lf4 (~KJR@unaffiliated/lf4) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:13] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [21:13] lf4 (~KJR@unaffiliated/lf4) joined ##slackware. [21:15] i agree, but as i dont have the machine in my reach i will try my luck with an upgrade [21:17] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:17] You're sure to have fun along the way, whichever way. :) [21:18] hehe yeah thats mostly my reason for doing it [21:18] and after the system is a bit more up to date i want to set up an MTA [21:18] asarch (~asarch@187.132.137.12) joined ##slackware. [21:20] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-240-222.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:21] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-240-222.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [21:24] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:25] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:26] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-65.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:58] you best just ask [21:59] i use virtual box v3.2.4 i closed virtual mashine select * Save the mashine state, but afrer restart my PC(host windows XP) dont save [22:00] didnt try that yet, but what do you mean by closed virtual machine ? [22:01] yes [22:01] you mean you killed the VM ? [22:02] anyway, dont want to waste your time, never tried these snapshots [22:02] How do I get KDE to automatically load when my computer boots up? [22:03] jon http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=72574.15 [22:03] cesurasean, if you change to runlevel4 by default (see /etc/inittab), it will load KDM at the end of the boot sequence [22:03] alter /etc/inittab to init:4 instead of init:3 [22:03] may by this is solved [22:03] thrice', thx [22:04] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-162-4-15.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:05] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [22:05] Razec (~razec@187.34.18.158) joined ##slackware. [22:06] rachael (~rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [22:06] pcastle (~pcastle@166.205.136.167) left irc: Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi [22:06] princeigor thanks for the info [22:06] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-144-242.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [22:08] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-71-128.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [22:08] jon hahah :) my english is noo goog and i dont understend this Quote ]; [22:12] Cann0n (~jack@dialup-4.91.97.122.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:13] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.72) joined ##slackware. [22:18] thanks guys. my slackware boots to KDE now. :) [22:18] cesurasean (sbrady@server.simplewebhosting.us) left ##slackware. [22:22] Razec (~razec@187.34.18.158) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:23] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:25] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:28] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-71-128.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:28] v3gard (~v3gard@v3gard.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:29] masterslakk (mastersla@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. 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[23:43] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [23:44] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [23:44] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:45] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-108.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: arr! [23:45] phrag: bought some new hardware in preparation of starcraft 2 ;) [23:46] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [23:46] I might get that game too. [23:46] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-108.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:47] ...i have windows ready if need be ... [23:47] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:47] don't hurt me! [23:48] my windows7 installation consists of ms office and video games [23:48] BsdNeo_ (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [23:49] go on... [23:49] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [23:49] there isn't much else to say [23:50] yeah [23:50] mine's only games. [23:50] XP + games. Nothing else. [23:51] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:51] games = console [23:51] Nick change: BsdNeo_ -> BsdNeo [23:51] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:51] i can't stand console games [23:52] dual joysticks can't compare to a mouse and a keyboard [23:52] I use my xbox360 joysticks under linux to play mame, mupen64 etc [23:52] especially in a fps [23:53] snes9x my prefered [23:53] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [23:53] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:54] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [23:54] Okay.. Hi. [23:54] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.43.107) joined ##slackware. [23:55] Anyone here ever been tested? [23:55] tested? [23:56] ?? [23:56] i'm on multilib, so if i have to update glib, i just follow the same steps with compat32 like the inital setup? [23:56] tested for...? [23:56] rirombo (~rirombo@pool-71-117-246-33.ptldor.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:56] riza: yeah, and it ended up being herpes simplex B [23:57] heh [23:57] tmi [23:58] Cann0n, can I please pm you? [23:58] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-51-191.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:58] the results came back for me.. I'm not XX or XY.. I'm double some new mutated chromosome :/ [23:58] riza: what for? [23:58] I have a question about it. I'm afraid. [23:58] the clinic should have councilors for you to talk to [23:58] Action: Cann0n backs slowly away... [23:58] be afraid. [23:59] all i gotta say is... take that trip to the health clinic [23:59] you should speak to a professional [23:59] that's what you get you fornicating heathen! MUAHAH [23:59] I am. [23:59] howdy,people [23:59] It's midnight so dunno. [23:59] heya MLanden [23:59] yeah um IRC isn't the place for medical advise [23:59] call a 24 hour hotline [23:59] heya,trhodes [23:59] There's a 24 hour hotline? [23:59] getting tested is only the first step [23:59] s/advise/advice/ [23:59] Hm. [23:59] there are many 24 hour medical hotlines [23:59] it's not the end up your life. take up an extreme sport. sex is over rated anyways... worst case, just spread it around like girls named Mindi do [00:00] --- Tue Jun 22 2010