[00:00] no such file or directory [00:00] but it's there... i assure it is [00:00] What? [00:00] thats not a good answer to the command [00:00] what version of spkg? [00:00] Cann0n: PLEASE DO WHAT I'M SAYING [00:00] echo "/tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz%/tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz" | cut -f 2 -d '%' [00:00] Then paste the output of that. [00:01] bash: /tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz%/tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz: No such file or directory [00:02] Really?? [00:02] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [00:02] huh [00:02] lol but i KNOW that package is in /tmp [00:02] can i haz an echo? [00:02] ls /tmp/perl* ..paste output here. [00:02] whoa whoa. [00:02] /tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz [00:02] i already did that [00:02] lol [00:02] what does: echo "hello", do on your bash? [00:03] prints "world" [00:03] :-) [00:03] heh [00:03] hello [00:03] world [00:03] works too [00:03] /bin/sh: prints: command not found [00:03] /bin/sh: print: command not found [00:03] pics or it didn't happen [00:03] lol [00:03] Cann0n: type "which cut" [00:03] The obvious is now out of the way. [00:03] /bin/cut [00:03] should be /usr/bin no? [00:04] that's my `which cut` output [00:04] (/usr/bin) [00:04] never mind, i guess thats just a symlink [00:04] hmm [00:04] Cann0n: do: echo "a%b%c%d" | cut -d% -f2 [00:04] this is very strange [00:04] rworkman: b [00:05] HUH? [00:05] could it be a line-wrap issue with the earlier long lines? [00:05] thats the output. correct yes? [00:05] Okay, are you *sure* you pasted the exact text earlier with the first echo ... | cut [00:05] would vt matter? [00:05] Cann0n: yes, that one is correct. [00:05] i.e. cut&paste from irc fail++ [00:05] i'm using Terminal [00:05] echo "/tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz%/tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz" | cut -f 2 -d '%' [00:05] Do that one again ^ [00:05] no such [00:06] That's f'ing impossible. [00:06] you aren't putting that line literally then [00:06] ... [00:07] hrm... do this: echo "a%b%c" | cut -d '%' -f2 [00:07] b [00:07] hahaha [00:07] damn [00:07] Is cut missing? [00:07] this is better than a buzz [00:07] lol [00:07] this is some voodoo shit [00:07] Okay, so the ' isn't getting transposed to ` [00:07] my head hurts [00:07] my $$ is on cut & paste fail [00:07] and cut works as expected [00:08] should i try `pkg` [00:08] no [00:08] yeah it dont work lol [00:08] Of course not [00:08] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@200.159.32.100) joined ##slackware. [00:09] so, this is a upgradepkg problem? lol [00:09] Almost surely not. [00:09] Everything works as expected everywhere else. [00:09] are you 100% certain you are putting rworkman's line as is, a a 1-liner that echoes to cut? [00:10] let me run it irssi via /exec [00:10] Are you putting the "echo" in too, or starting with the " ? [00:10] Because here's what happens when you do that: [00:10] bash-4.1# "/tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz%/tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz" | cut -f 2 -d '%' [00:10] bash: /tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz%/tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz: No such file or directory [00:10] Here's what it should look like: [00:10] bash-4.1# echo "/tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz%/tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz" | cut -f 2 -d '%' [00:10] /tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz [00:10] /tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz [00:11] YAY! [00:11] woot [00:11] lol [00:11] maybe i pasted it wrong [00:11] i win [00:11] yes [00:11] s/maybe/damned right/ [00:11] ok, so why doesn't it work in sbo? [00:11] sbopkg* [00:11] copying from irssi over multiple lines can be bad ;) [00:11] My milkshake brings all the girls to the yard [00:11] that's chess' problem. he has to fix it! [00:11] lol [00:11] Action: andarius steals the milkshake [00:12] andarius: I didn't konw you were into that sort of thing [00:12] Action: chess looks hard at mancha [00:12] I was thinking like a real strawberry shake. [00:12] mm [00:12] Miroku (~supergear@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] Action: andarius drops the shake and runs away screaming like freaked out guy :( [00:13] i still get the problem in sbopkg though [00:13] wow freaked out guy sounds just like 10 year old girl. [00:13] lol [00:13] Cann0n: based on what I now know, it *has* to work in sbopkg. It's doing *exactly* what we just verified works fine on the system. [00:13] Cann0n: and I still can't reproduce it in sbopkg :/ [00:14] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:14] update/reinstall sbopkg ? [00:14] This one goes into the "Impotent" file. [00:14] did it [00:14] is sbopkg a bash script? [00:14] (Unable to reproduce) [00:14] Action: andarius notes he does not use that application so has no real idea [00:14] mancha: yeah [00:14] mv Cann0n-bug /dev/sterile [00:15] lol [00:15] removing the % work [00:15] only thing i haven't tried is upgrading spkg [00:15] removing the % effectively makes sbopkg install it twice, right? [00:16] mancha: maybe [00:16] chess i'm just farting around, this is the most fun i've had all week. though i am seriously trying to figure it out w/o looking at any code :) [00:16] mancha: :-) [00:17] this is a weird one, for sure. [00:18] rworkman: where can i get upgradepkg's latest release? [00:18] is line 4 in his pastebin normal output? [00:19] Miroku (~supergear@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:20] that line has been in there for a long time, so I would think it would have been reported if there was a consistent problem. [00:20] Naraku (~supergear@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:20] mancha: no [00:20] hrm... [00:20] If OLDPKG somehow had a space at the end of it, that might happen [00:20] mancha: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/BThKot77.html [00:21] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:21] nope [00:21] is it a problem with upgradepkg? [00:21] no [00:21] what version do you have? [00:21] Whatever this is something on your system. [00:21] aha, that looks better. whatever is making it print line #4 is the error (mancha's prediction) [00:22] i'm on 64bit [00:22] mancha: I agree [00:22] chess: what's line 3171 of sbopkg - can you paste it exact please? [00:22] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:23] rworkman: sure, hold on one moment... wife is calling [00:23] k [00:24] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-181-253.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:24] Heya,folks [00:24] hey [00:24] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [00:25] heya MLanden [00:25] heya,trhodes....how's it goin'? [00:25] goin' well :) [00:26] chess: nm; got it :) [00:26] heya,fire|bird...how're you doin'? [00:26] Cann0n: I don't think it will make a difference, but change that line to this: [00:26] upgradepkg --reinstall --install-new "$OLDPKG"%"$PKG" [00:26] MLanden: I am great, thank you. Just grabbed the latest opera 10.51 snapshot and been messing with the Zimbra Desktop 2.0 beta 1 today. How about you? [00:26] Cann0n: in the meantime, does this still exist: /tmp/sbopkg/sbopkg-sbooutputdir/locale-gettext-1.05-x86_64-2_SBo.tgz [00:27] no, because i removed it. [00:27] ERROR: Package file does not exist. (/tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz%/tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz) [00:27] but that package is there, and i get the same error for everything [00:28] Okay, do this: [00:28] upgradepkg --reinstall --install-new /tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz%/tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz [00:28] back for a moment [00:28] why do the oldpkg at all? [00:28] XGizzmo_: because that's how sbopkg makes sure it's doing the right thing [00:29] fire|bird, doin' great...thanks...other than reformatting a few of my flash devices(camera and mp3 player) and enjoyin' the day...nothin' new [00:29] rworkman: nada [00:29] ti failed? [00:29] da [00:29] Show me. [00:30] or did you cut&paste fail again? [00:30] fire|bird, zimbra? seen a few examples of it but haven't tried my self [00:30] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/KUytkO34.html [00:31] mancha: i doubt sbopkg does irc cut and paste fails lol [00:31] Okay, this is not an sbopkg problem. [00:31] MLanden: yeah, zimbra.com, the Desktop version, powered by, to an extent anyway, Mozilla, the 2.0 beta 1 is a nice improvement over the current 1.x stuff. [00:31] chess is off the hook [00:32] fire|bird, pretty stable? [00:32] where's pat???!?!? [00:32] *whew* [00:32] :> [00:32] MLanden: yeah, sure seems so, haven't had any problems with it. [00:32] Its also not a slackware problem. [00:32] XGizzmo: heh [00:32] Kamel- (~1@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:33] Um, XGizzmo_ is correct. That's not the error that Slackware's upgradepkg throws. [00:33] Action: chess looks around for another beer [00:33] fire|bird, cool [00:33] hmm [00:33] Kamel- (~1@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:33] multilib have anything to do with thal [00:33] s/thal/that? [00:33] bash-4.1# upgradepkg --install-new --reinstall /tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz%/tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz [00:33] Cannot install /tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz%/tmp/perl-Date-Calc-6.3-x86_64-1_SBo.tgz: file not found [00:33] No. [00:34] hmmmm [00:34] where are tthe slackware packages [00:34] tools [00:34] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:34] zed_DX (~kvirc@187.146.91.20) joined ##slackware. [00:34] why don't you md5sum /sbin/upgradepkg [00:35] as someone with slack13-64 to confirm [00:35] Those are lines 192 and 193 in /sbin/upgradepkg where there is parsing using %. [00:35] *ask [00:35] Th0th (~thoth@ichabod.thalhalla.net) joined ##slackware. [00:35] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-142-253.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:35] hmm [00:35] zed_DX (kvirc@187.146.91.20) left ##slackware. [00:36] anyone know the best way to get clalsadrv installed in slack? [00:36] Kamel- (klo_788@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] i'll reinstall pkgtools [00:36] Wiat [00:37] Wait - do that md5sum first. [00:37] Kamel- (klo_788@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:37] If I'm wrong, I'd like to know. [00:37] rworkman: 13ef0015c3a83a7ec8179dfd06e6f5b8 [00:37] Kamel- (klo_527@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:37] ffe755088228507733fe8bca0d04b6ee /sbin/upgradepkg [00:37] Kamel- (klo_527@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:37] houston, we haz a problem [00:37] maybe somewhere along the line of my compiliation problems i borked something up [00:37] Kamel- (klo_838@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:37] O_o [00:37] yeah i know it's wrong [00:37] Anyone else confirm mine? [00:37] rworkman: Correct. [00:38] Yours is. [00:38] Kamel- (klo_838@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:38] Okay, just making sure :) [00:38] i'm gonna reinstall pkgtools [00:38] Cann0n: you should first figure out what you did to require it. [00:38] kamel- (klo_594@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:38] Copy your current upgradepkg first. [00:38] Slack 13 64? [00:39] gm152: nah, im gonna nuke it [00:39] I'd diff it later. [00:39] If you've installed e.g. Tukaani pkgtools or some such, then they probably want to know about this bug [00:39] maybe i shouldn't make my own build scripts anymore? [00:39] tuukani is maintained ? [00:39] No idea [00:39] i dunno what that is lol [00:39] *tukaani [00:39] ok [00:39] Gcell (~Gcell@58.45.152.116) joined ##slackware. [00:40] I think Lasse spends most of his time on xz now. [00:40] Gcell (Gcell@58.45.152.116) left ##slackware. [00:41] tukaani hasn't been maintained in quite some time [00:41] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [00:41] hmm [00:42] enigma- (~inferno@195.112.221.105) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:42] I gotta hit the sack. cya later fellas. Cann0n, let me know what happens and if there's anything I need to do, I'll be happy to fix it. [00:42] later, chess [00:42] chess: g'night :) [00:42] night chess [00:42] take care,chess [00:43] Action: chess waves and grabs a beer for the road [00:43] well, i just reinstalled the package tools and it's solved [00:44] thanks everyone [00:44] i dunno wtf happened [00:46] i'm going to blame it on my cock... which gets me in more trouble than i'd like [00:47] blaming the package, there's a bit of romantic harmony in that [00:47] glad you solved it but what a downer now i'm bored again :/ [00:48] :) [00:48] hackeron (~hackeron@gentoo/user/hackeron) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:48] mancha: i got one... but it's for offtopic [00:49] lol [00:49] antler (~antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. 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[00:59] install the latest slackpkg and use slackpkg new-config [00:59] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-3-44.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:59] cool, that's something I've wanted to try and improve, too [01:02] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:03] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:03] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-251.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [01:04] hey XGizzmo slackpkg new-config, does prompt you per package config or configs all the packages at once? [01:06] new-config searches for .new configuration files and ask the user what to do with those files. [01:06] (had the manpage handy) [01:07] brbrbr (~basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:07] wow.. i can't believe how efficient slackware is running on my thinkpad 390x with only 196 ram... wow [01:08] i have a thinkpad 600X that slack does right [01:08] the windows install barely runs (like i would run it anyway... morbid curiousity, I guess) [01:09] godmode, X running on it? [01:09] no way.. i love the black screen mode. [01:10] godmode, hear ya [01:10] i tried.. too much for fluxbox... or blackbox.. i don't know about xfce and stuff [01:10] godmode: it can it it all or one at a time I think, I never tried anything but one at a time. [01:12] links is actually not a bad text browser. i tried fluxbox but too heavy on memory when you want to multi task the shiite out it... just alone firefox took a couple seconds to load...(I am being nice when i say seconds.. longer usually) [01:12] Action: XGizzmo fog of beer is growing. [01:13] godmode: how did your upgrade go? [01:13] i am upgrading in stages.. its a good learning process. i am one stage away from 13.0. [01:14] good [01:14] I know it is possible though the thing is, to find the obsolete packages. ;) [01:14] godmode, i've seen some blog with folks using awesome with some nice effects on the older machines with limited resources...others with pekwm [01:15] yeah... good thing slackware changes and hints.txt helps mrselfpwn. [01:16] godmode: buddy i'm glad you read them as some do not [01:17] MLanden: pekwm... i am looking into it right now. its awesome.. very low on resources. its like the black screen except more colors available [01:17] godmode: e17 has come quite a long way as well. I use it on my netbook with the 2.6.33 kernel without problem. [01:17] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [01:18] though if tiling is what you desire, then so be it. :) [01:19] mrselfpwn: i remember e when redhat used to distribute it with there 7.3 distro.. i also remember e being heavy on resources... i don't know about it now. [01:19] e17 may even release this decade. [01:19] godmode: very very different [01:20] godmode, cool...K Mandla's blog is a good read on various software that run well on limited resourced machines http://kmandla.wordpress.com/ [01:21] I had problems with 2.6.32 and suspend/hibernate though in 33 everything works well. it allows for flex between my other consoles and doesn't get in the way. I do use my own kernel config though. :) [01:21] in e17 that is [01:22] ad de [01:22] as de (blah!) [01:22] dude MLanden, thanks... awesome website.. so much low resource info. i was googling for something like this.. YES! 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[02:21] crouton: anything that is atheros based [02:21] are you looking for A B G or N? [02:22] Gulug (old-times@master.gulug.com.br) joined ##slackware. [02:22] Nick change: Tabstar -> Tabmow [02:23] well, at least G [02:23] N is not neccessary [02:23] r3mus (~dno@116.75.135.47) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:24] crouton: are you looking to buy one from a retail store or off the internet? [02:25] Hello. I recently imported pictures from one HDD (Slackware) to another HDD (Zenwalk) and since the user names were differnt I recursively changed the /home folder to the current user: dennis. Now suddenly Picasa3 (installed fromSlackbuilds) won't send pictures through either gmail or local client. I would be eternally grateful for any clues as to how to remedy this issue. [02:26] well, i was planning on browsing some small shops first and then if i can't find something that i need there to order it online [02:26] but oh what the hell.. i'll order online if it's cheap [02:26] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:27] i'd like something that works on win7-64 bit as well [02:27] crouton: madwifi and ath5k/ath9k pages should have lists but most PCI cards that are marketed at 108mbps cards are atheros based [02:27] my atheros minicpie card in my laptop was supported by Windows 7 directly [02:28] but I was using 32bit windows 7 [02:28] i guess if there are drivers for vista 64.. then it should be okay in win7-64 [02:29] so atheros is a chipset right? [02:29] which brands actually use it? [02:29] or do i have to go through specs for all the cards [02:29] DenNOLA: So is it a problem with file ownership? [02:30] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-3-44.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:31] Mel-nix: that's what I'm kinda thinking, but I'm not sure. I only know that "all of a sudden" it doesn't work, so I have no idea what I screwed up and this is the only recent change I can recall. [02:31] DenNOLA: $ ls -l / # Who owns /home? [02:32] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@200.159.32.100) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:33] Me-nix http://pastebin.com/Hhzbr8wF [02:34] so Dennis and dennis are two different uid's ? [02:35] trhodes: yes. I imported from my Slackware 12.2 HDD (user Dennis) to this Zenwalk 6.2 HDD (user dennis) [02:36] DenNOLA: It looks like just running chown(1) will solve the problem. [02:37] and why not have the same uid mapped to each name ? [02:37] Mel-nix: if you would be so kind as to give me the kind of step-by-step instructions you'd give an orangutan I promise to follow them. (I'm still very new to Linux) [02:38] DenNOLA: Every user-directory under /home should be owned by the respective user. [02:38] step 1: throw poo step 2: ??? step 3: profit! [02:38] HAHA Dominian :-P [02:39] :) [02:39] dennis, you could just copy your home dir, chown -R Dennis:dennis it, and then try picasa again [02:39] tr [02:39] to perhaps verify that it really is a permissions problem [02:39] that's slow, I know [02:39] unless your home dir is small (with pics it probably isn't) [02:39] picasa has 0-days too [02:40] whoops, i meant dennis:users or so :P [02:40] crouton: some netgear PIC cards are. engenius has some and there are a load of lesser known names [02:40] PIC/PCI [02:41] trhodes: ok, so wait. I'm listening....I guess I don't understand when you say "copyy it." [02:41] cool. thanks antiwire [02:42] eh, i', thinkin' the copy idea's gonna end up complicated... [02:43] Mel-nix said that every user directory should be owned by the user. I thought that I had done that when I recently did chown dennis /home [02:43] as root [02:44] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.111.224) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:44] crouton: np [02:45] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.75.147) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:45] strace would probably show where picasa is crapping out [02:45] DenNOLA: /home should be owned by root, /home/dennis should be owned by dennis [02:45] and, what mancha said, picasa has 0-days [02:46] SiegeX that is good to know. Ok. And trhodes.....what does that mean...Picasa has 0-days? [02:47] it's got security flaws [02:47] version 3.5 [02:47] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [02:48] trhodes: ah. See, now this opens a whole new can of worms I was trying to avoid. How to upgrade my version of Picasa. But first, may I ask for guidance on making sure I have /home owned ny root and /home/dennis owned by user? [02:48] probably not a 0-day if we are talking about it here [02:48] Gulug (old-times@master.gulug.com.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:48] 0-day was a figure of speech, yes, it is not less than 24 hours since it was foudn in the wild [02:49] ok [02:49] I didn't mean time [02:49] you need 3.6 build 105.41+ [02:49] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Quit: Command not found [02:51] mancha I figured that. I'm just a little nervous about upgrading. But I'll give it a go. [02:51] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:51] Gulug (old-times@master.gulug.com.br) joined ##slackware. [02:51] what I meant was that a real 0-day is a well kept secret. [02:51] we have different definitions then [02:51] and yours being <24hr? [02:52] d [02:52] mt [02:52] from the info I pastebin-ed, do my permissions look screwed, or ok? [02:52] that looked OK [02:52] Ok, so I don't need to F with chown this and that? [02:53] a generally accepted definition of a 0-day exploit is one which is developed within 24 hours if a security breach becoming known. this speed of exploit development earns the hacker prestige in the exploit community. [02:53] I am not sure what your definition is. [02:53] basically an exploit that is unknown to at the very least the software vendor [02:54] oh, i think that is not a commonly accepted definition [02:54] if the local TV news station calls it a 0-day, "I" call it a 0-day :P [02:55] what is the commonly accpted definition of what I described then [02:55] Alright. So what I think I have learned here tonight is that Picasa3 Beta is called "BETA" for a reason and that for once this issue isn't my fault. Any advice on upgrading a Slackbuld to a newer version? [02:55] exploits traded on the black market etc. [02:55] trhodes: kinda like how MTV tells kids to dress like idiots and they do? :P [02:55] Cann0n: exactly. [02:56] dude, you can sell kids for 5 grand a pop on the black market [02:56] trhodes: i hate the media almost as much as i hate anime [02:56] DenNOLA: strace picasa #and look for errors [02:56] trhodes: will do. [02:57] just make sure you have a good picasa, otherwise a carefully crafted jpeg can own your ass [02:57] there's also that text exploit [02:57] if the guy doesn't know how to properly set his home dir permissions, do you really think hes going to understand strace output? no offence [02:57] i know, be he can see errors... teach a man to fish kinda thing [02:57] Siege good point, but I Google my ass in here half to time to keep up, which is how I learn [02:57] best to teach him how to bait a hook first =) [02:58] lol [02:58] efpc2003 (~esteban@r190-135-10-85.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) joined ##slackware. [02:58] b_j_x (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:58] DenNOLA: if you had a good understanding of C and system calls, strace would make pretty good sense [02:59] SiegeX: Right. And as it stands I'm still so young in Linux that looking at this list of info is pretty much like trying to read a menu in Mandarin. [03:00] Still, it's a start. [03:00] order #6 [03:00] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:00] mancha I found a whisker last time I had the # 6. [03:01] that's what makes it good [03:01] hunan kitten is no good if they leave out the whiskers [03:01] mrselfpwn (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-dhlfqiyynwzuhvyj) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:02] efpc2003 (esteban@r190-135-10-85.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) left ##slackware. [03:03] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.57) joined ##slackware. [03:03] stat64("/opt/google/picasa/3.0/bin/xdg-utils-1.0.2/scripts/rm", 0xbfe9dc58) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) [03:03] That looks like an error [03:03] that'll do her [03:03] stat64("/opt/google/picasa/3.0/wine/bin/rm", 0xbfe9dc58) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) [03:03] so does that [03:03] indeed [03:04] Everything else looks pretty good. [03:04] No, I lied. [03:05] Can I pastebin this? [03:05] yes, we'd rather it [03:05] Okey doke. sec [03:05] only if you promise not to lie anymore [03:06] Ow. I can't handle paradoxes, especially when they are written in Cantonese when I'm not looking at them. [03:07] http://pastebin.com/08PHhtWT [03:10] i think it's a real cop-out that picasa "for linux" ships with Wine [03:10] pipes (~pipes@freedomisnothingtofear.com) joined ##slackware. [03:10] amirite? [03:11] yeah [03:11] mancha I can't agree more. Fing hate WINE, Windows, all of it. [03:11] Do you have a pure Linux alternative to Picasa? [03:11] KayAteChef (Guest@pdpc/supporter/active/kayatechef) left ##slackware. [03:11] digikam maybe? [03:12] um, i know I could google it, but what does picasa do (especially that you like, DenNOLA) ? [03:12] i agree with mancha [03:12] i know it has something to do with pictures [03:12] did someone say pictures? [03:13] lol [03:13] organize - edit - create - share [03:14] aren't there web apps that do that [03:14] You know what? This is the best idea yet. I have had two cups of coffee and I'll stay up all night if it means using something designed for Linux rather than adapted for it (so to speak) using Wine. [03:14] That said, is it obvious from that output what the issue is? [03:15] DenNOLA: What application are you looking out for? [03:15] well, i'm a C and syscall dummy, but it looks like it waited on a nonexistant child process (and stracing forks sucks, comparatively) [03:16] Mel-nix: If you mean to ask how I plan to use the media, then I guess I'll say just basic picture storage will user-friendly editing and sharing capabilities. [03:17] DenNOLA: You can always use gimp(1) to edit images. [03:18] and there are easier editors than that [03:18] mancha suggested digikam [03:20] fotoxx is another one that has come along recently http://kornelix.squarespace.com/fotoxx/ [03:20] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:20] trhodes: digikam is for KDE isn't it? [03:20] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427609.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [03:20] yes [03:20] I'm actually reading about digicam now. Ok guys. I'm doing it. How do I remove Picasa cleanly and completely? removepkg picasa ? [03:21] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427609.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:21] picasa might integrate sharing into the app better, but I don't know for sure [03:21] tr [03:22] trhodes: I'm willing to try another, or a few other, alternatives if it means no more flickering monitor as WINE tries to fire up smoothly. [03:23] digikam also has a picasaweb plugin you can use [03:23] babai (~babai@115.187.55.245) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:24] http://www.digikam.org/drupal/node/501 [03:25] Interesting. Truth be told, this Fotoxx is looking appealing. [03:27] su [03:27] DenNOLA: What is the source of your pictures? Digital camera? [03:28] Mel-nix: yes. I'm a visual artist and I use high res digital images to regularly update my website. [03:29] DenNOLA: So you fetch images from your digital camera, then edit them and upload/share on the Internet? [03:29] fotoxx does look good. i am d/l'ing now [03:29] Mel-nix: yes, exactly. Very basic. [03:30] mancha, yeah..I heard about it on gnomefiles....nice in-between to gimp [03:31] think the only other program from kornelix it's depended on is printoxx [03:31] You guys, not to be redundant, but since I'm not usually at the command prompt can I have a word of advice on to properly exorcize my machine of Picasa. So I simply su to root then type removepkg picasa? [03:31] hrm a new version every 15 days though [03:32] that i _dont_ like [03:32] DenNOLA: Just to inform you, I transfer images from the digital camera using gphoto2(1), then edit them in gimp(1) and upload them to my web-site using ftp(1). Unix philosophy. :) [03:32] 427K can that be right?!? [03:32] ftp... eek! :P [03:33] Mel-nix: by Unix philosophy do you mean as in "one program for one task"? [03:33] trhodes: Why? [03:33] unencrypted passwords [03:33] something's fishy, how can it be less than half a meg compressed? [03:33] DenNOLA: Yes. [03:35] DenNOLA: I use ImageMagick(1) sometimes for the appropriate task. [03:35] Mel-nix: Ok. Well truth be told there are quite a number of editing functions built into this OS and I could probably do most of my editing without Picasa. It is just a kind of luxury to have software which manages your images the way Exaile or Amarok handle your music. [03:36] i like the mplayer handles my music : [03:36] *the way [03:36] i'll be damned, it is true, the executable is 576K compiled and works. [03:37] Ok, since no one is answering my removepkg question I am going to try removepkg -warn picasa and see what happens. [03:39] Oh well. There it goes. Bye Bye, Picasa. It's been fun. [03:40] peacenik (~root@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [03:40] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [03:40] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.111.224) joined ##slackware. [03:40] ok, i am not often surprised, but fotoxx is 450kb, compiles in under a minute, and is a 550kb application [03:40] impressive [03:41] why are all the atheros-based cards so expensive? [03:41] they are pretty nice [03:41] hi, a DVD burned in Windoze is not showing only 3 files in Linux. In Windoze the DVD shows all 4 GB data. Why? [03:41] in not showing = is showing [03:42] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-190-206.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:42] alreadygone: Permissions, .dotfiles ? [03:43] Mel-nix, no it shows only 36MB of data in Linux. rest is not visible [03:44] when I open the same DVD in Windoze, everything is available. [03:44] peacenik (root@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware. [03:45] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [03:47] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-250.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:48] Mel-nix: I am using 2.33.1 now [03:49] Azeotrope: Wow. So nice to hear that ! :-) [03:49] Yea, fixed the computer yersterday and then I installed slack in a vbox so I can experiment with kernels [03:50] real men play with kernels in the real world (we dont need no steenkin vm's) [03:51] real men don't play [03:51] :) [03:51] :P [03:51] pff [03:51] Azeotrope: SunTzu is right in a way. [03:51] play; the more sophisticated the man, the more sophisticated the play. [03:51] haha, yep [03:51] [old grumpy voice] i remember when we dint have vm's to sandbox [03:51] heh [03:51] ty tyvm [03:52] trhodes: What do real men do? [03:52] umm [03:52] i finally found _the sting_ and _blazing saddles_ inline [03:53] Mel-nix: they only conduct serious business. [03:54] when I was your age, we had to sandbox with real sand, and we LIKED IT! [03:55] I'm not the kind of guy that get's everything working right from the first time [03:56] Azeotrope: It should have been `2.6.33.1' [03:56] yea [03:57] SiegeX now sand has fungus in it that causes illness. [03:57] ew [03:57] Azeotrope: So is X working now? [03:58] hello, I've tried running slackbuild for ming and run into error. Error msg from config.log: "conftest.c:1: error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set" [03:58] using slackware64-current [03:58] ARCH=x86 #sounds like [03:58] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.111.224) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:58] can anybody advise? should I be editing slackbuild script somehow, or something else? [03:59] whoops, not x86 [03:59] cypherpunko: did you read the README and .info with the build ? [03:59] trhodes: yes [04:00] but will re-read [04:00] what is your ARCH ? [04:00] if you think I missed something [04:00] maybe not, you hopefully would have seen a mention that it wouldn't work for your ARCH [04:00] Mel-nix: yes [04:02] Azeotrope: So will you be using.... `-current' ? [04:02] cypherpunko: you're on x84_64 ? [04:03] in the script it reads "{ARCH:-i486}" - I guess I should change that to "{ARCH:-x86_64}" ?? [04:03] anyone happen to use this card? http://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/products/WMP110 [04:03] i'm thinking of getting it [04:03] Mel-nix: no, no yet... i don't want headackes [04:03] got atheros and it's not too expensive [04:04] cypherpunko: that's a default value for that variable, see man bash | less -p ':-' [04:04] cypherpunko: IOW, don't change that [04:04] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-181-253.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:04] Azeotrope: I was once like you are now, but I have decided to live on the bleeding edge. [04:04] there's also a d-link but it's refurbished. what do you guys think about refurbished wireless network adapters? [04:05] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [04:05] Azeotrope: So which kernel package have you installed? [04:06] Mel-nix: will you please stop advising people to run -current. I don't advise you to jump off a cliff either [04:07] cypherpunko: ARCH="x86_64" ./ming.SlackBuild [04:07] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.47.59) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:07] pprkut: since you're here, what's that mean, that there's no DOWNLOAD_x86_64 for ming ? [04:08] (in the .info file) [04:08] pprkut: Sorry. It's just that `-current' has made my system quite stable, and fixed a number of bugs. [04:08] trhodes: you mean why it's empty? [04:08] pprkut: yes [04:08] trhodes: of course, I remember that now [04:09] trhodes: sorry for that hole in my memory [04:09] Mel-nix: well, that is good for you. But it is and stays development ground, and expects more knowledge, more time, .... [04:09] Action: Mel-nix is afraid of heights. [04:09] cypherpunko: no problem :) [04:10] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-181-253.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:11] trhodes: have you read the "The $PRGNAM.info file" part of http://www.slackbuilds.org/guidelines/ ? [04:11] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7B5D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:11] Azeotrope: Sorry for telling/tempting you to upgrade to `-current'. You can wait for an official release of Slackware (probably 13.1). [04:11] pprkut: not since slack64, will do [04:12] DURgod (~DURgod@24-236-174-174.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: DURgod [04:12] Mel-nix: thanks, much appreciated :) [04:13] Azeotrope: How did you get your Slackware DVD anyway? [04:15] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:16] Azeotrope: I hope you have learnt a lot through your experiences. [04:18] Karu_ (~alch@78-28-66-250.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [04:19] Karu_ (~alch@78-28-66-250.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: Client Quit [04:21] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-250.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:22] Karu_ (~alch@78-28-66-250.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [04:22] Karu_ (~alch@78-28-66-250.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: Client Quit [04:22] Yes, i learned a lot [04:22] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:22] Axelpalm (~alch@78-28-66-250.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [04:22] What do you mean by "frome where did i get muy slack dvd?? [04:23] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [04:24] brainvision (~brainvisi@host188-211-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:24] brainvision (~brainvisi@host188-211-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [04:27] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.57) left ##slackware. [04:29] brainvision (~brainvisi@host188-211-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:32] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). 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[05:06] i get this when booting with my new compiled 2.6.30 no /sbin/init found on rootdev and after this a bash and kernel panic. [05:09] reeve (~reeve@p5B13A8BE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:10] hi [05:11] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-242-000.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:11] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [05:24] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Quit: :) [05:25] Agiofws_ (~Agiofws@athedsl-434002.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:28] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:29] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.0.38) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:35] a bash and kernel panic [05:35] you mean a kernel panic [05:36] Axius (~fd@92.82.85.106) joined ##slackware. [05:37] Azeotrope: what bootloader are you using ? lilo ? [05:37] b_j_x (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:37] yes [05:38] trhodes: also, i have checked my sata controller in kernel config [05:38] will slack use grub by default one day? [05:38] Tusk, ask patrick [05:38] well, it is in extra and saves screwups like this [05:38] is he around?? [05:38] nothing can completely save you from the human factor [05:38] trhodes: yeah i do use grub2 [05:38] Tusk, no, but you can email him [05:39] trhodes: it's lilo's fault? [05:39] antler (~antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: [05:39] Azeotrope: no, probably not [05:40] Azeotrope: but it sounds like you're append= options aren't correct [05:40] *your [05:40] i think you have speccified the wrong root device [05:40] akira42_ (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-242-000.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:40] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-242-000.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:41] goarilla: i did a mkinitrd with the good root device [05:41] Jessica^ (CarteL__@41.236.14.71) joined ##slackware. [05:41] huh thats only for fs typ [05:41] your bootloader needs to still apply root=/dev/{s,h}dX [05:41] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-181-253.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:42] i do have that [05:42] is it correct ? [05:42] yes [05:42] my personal rule: "spare yourself some headaches don't use initrd" [05:42] checked it now [05:43] so if you mount the root device say to /mnt/test [05:43] then ls -l /mnt/test/sbin/init returns something and a file on it [05:43] returns a staticly compiled ELF binary ? [05:44] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:44] what happens if you manually specify it in the bootloader like [05:44] init=/bin/sh [05:44] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.0.38) joined ##slackware. [05:45] goarilla: i don't understand [05:45] akira42_ (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-242-000.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:45] crouton (crouton@bas1-toronto10-1279398219.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: [05:46] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [05:46] Azeotrope: are you on the same root filesystem that you want 2.6.30 to be on ? [05:46] (same root filesystem now) [05:47] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-242-000.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:47] nv9753 (~nv@p54B1E9F6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:47] D3lahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:48] nv9753 (~nv@p54B1E9F6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:48] trhodes: yes /dev/sda7 [05:48] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [05:48] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-142-253.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [05:49] and you have root = /dev/sda7 in your lilo.conf entry for your 2.6.30 kernel image ? [05:50] sda7? wow [05:50] yes [05:52] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [05:52] that was my reaction as well [05:52] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:53] DenNOLA (dennis@173.5.52.102) left ##slackware. [05:54] lol same here [05:54] if i knew, i'd only use 3 partitions /root, /home, and /windows [05:54] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-190-206.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:54] Action: Delahunt wonders if maybe LVM would help [05:54] lol [05:54] hehe [05:54] but i moved slack from sda1 to 7 because i had no space [05:55] and now i have some 3 partitions that i cannot merge [05:55] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [05:58] nannes (~nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [05:58] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:58] Azeotrope, i've been in that predicament too [05:58] the solution was the next stable release 8-) then i had a reason to reorganize and backup [05:58] do you have backups? [06:00] yea [06:00] home [06:00] /home? [06:00] backup of /home [06:00] yea [06:00] hmm [06:01] well migrating is up to you, but if you do, plan it carefuly [06:01] s/carefuly/carefully [06:01] . [06:01] grr [06:01] / [06:01] back in ubuntu days i had / backups too [06:01] Action: Delahunt notes that eee's have annoyingly small keys [06:01] bleh i don't usually back up / that way, but i keep install media handy [06:01] yes they do [06:01] gnrp (~gnrp@devrandom.physik-pool.TU-Berlin.DE) joined ##slackware. [06:02] and i back up packages i make or download, and slackware-$VERSION/patches/packages/* [06:02] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@200.159.32.100) joined ##slackware. [06:03] i just tarred the / without /dev/ /sys and so on [06:03] tar? wow... [06:03] eh, it works :) [06:03] Action: Delahunt prefers an external device and rsync 8-) [06:04] though i started backing up windows using dd because ntfsclone doesn't back up boot info [06:04] but my linux machines are backups of /home [06:04] it's nice not having to tiptoe around windows [06:04] i keep patches and packages in /home so it works fo rme [06:04] Action: Delahunt can't stand windows normally [06:04] boot info ? [06:05] is migrating from 13.0 > current overwritting /etc/rc.d stuff ? [06:05] What other methods of backup do you have? why did you laugh at tar? [06:06] Azeotrope: backing up / is a bit useless [06:06] Azeotrope: rsync is incremental and more efficient as a result, but tar works fine for backups [06:06] Tusk, no [06:06] and taring is space uneficient [06:07] Delahunt: yes it is [06:07] well compression is space efficient but that's not the point necessarily [06:07] if you want pure space efficiency, compress your backups [06:07] it was useful to me, many times. just replaced the broken / [06:07] unless you gzip your music and movies :) [06:07] however, to me that is not elegant. i would only do that if forced [06:08] Azeotrope: then what on earth did you do wrong ? :P [06:08] i prefer rsync to another ext4 FS [06:08] to me rsync is more efficient for time and simplicity [06:08] but still, having a backup, however you do it, is better than not having one [06:08] i have had quite the ammount of problems with rsync in the past [06:08] (which was my point) [06:08] surrounder: one time i deleted my /bin while i was sshing in [06:08] goarilla, what problems? [06:08] Azeotrope: lol [06:09] if you don't specify -t [06:09] every update to an already updated tree would be a full update regardless [06:09] hi all... how do I do if I can't format (or modify partition table) of a flash USB drive? [06:09] I inserted it, found it on 'lsusb' (and also /dev/sdb come created), BUT I can't access to it (tried with many partition tools) [06:09] and stuff with symlinks where it was copied instead of linked [06:09] if you specify -a it includes -t [06:09] i know now [06:10] rsync does have a lot of options [06:10] i also have had -c checksum [06:10] is migrating from 13.0 > current overwritting /etc/rc.d stuff ? [06:10] collissions [06:10] here the dmesg -----> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/398680/ [06:10] there is an EXAMPLES section in the man page (not shouting, but it is capitalized) [06:10] but now they use md5 iirc and it should be better [06:10] since 3.x [06:11] it made me think of how kazaa did their checksumming [06:11] they only did part of a chunk and not the entire chunk itself [06:11] qneo (~knao@adsl-d12.84-47-86.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [06:12] also i tried to make it do stuff that just didn't work how i expected with --link-dir= in particular [06:13] but i do use it in place of cp for copying large trees since it gives nice statistics and with -hP a run time speed indicator [06:13] Tusk: I'm curious, why do you ask ? [06:15] Rossonero (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:15] Tusk: config files arent overwritted, especially if they are changed from the default. search for .new files [06:15] Azeotrope, maybe you could arrange your backup like you want your finished system to look and then move it over lol [06:15] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:15] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.57) joined ##slackware. [06:16] trhodes: so long i didn't use slack actually :) [06:16] Rossonero (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [06:16] sahko: thx [06:16] you know what i found ... that grep has a -o option [06:17] makes it more like sed :P [06:17] yeah and more [06:17] --color is awesome [06:18] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:19] color ? [06:20] it's not really kernel it's a marker [06:20] color* [06:20] andrew_46 (andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left ##slackware. [06:22] i like -n [06:22] line numbering ? [06:22] yeah [06:23] i like egrep :D [06:23] but i remember having some problems in the past with -n , only in bash though [06:24] i need to learn grep -P [06:24] http://pastebin.com/B9EzmxRn << is that something one has ever had ? i get this every time i plug a USB device... got a bos telling me mount failed with this error [06:25] pcre compatible [06:25] and theres always ack.. betterthangrep.com [06:25] should my user be in haldaemon group or something the like ? 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[06:47] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:47] Tusk: not sure if the last post here is any help, but I'll link it anyways: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=85315 [06:47] oobe (proxy@aubry.athnex.com) joined ##slackware. [06:47] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:48] oobe (proxy@aubry.athnex.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:48] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:51] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [06:51] trhodes: thx ill look in it [06:52] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [06:52] I just bought an external display and want to use it in a dual-display configuration, my problem is that both screens are of different size and when I move the mouse cursor from the bigger display to the smaller one, my cursor can be outside of the screen [06:52] is there anything that would force it inside the screen so it doesn't ever get invisible? [06:52] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:53] xinerama ? [06:53] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-242-000.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [06:54] Camarade_Tux: I use xrabdr (in kde the krandtray gui) to configure two screens of different size, my mouse cursor never disappears as far as I know [06:54] xrandr rather... [06:54] i never had that problem either [06:54] but I did have dead space [06:55] hmmm, I'm using xrandr here but it doesn't impact the mouse, I guess it's maybe something kde-related [06:55] alienBOB: what's the name of the planel applet? only "xrandr"? [06:56] krandrtray is the name of the program [06:56] It works better in KDE 4.4 than it did in KDE 4.3 [06:56] trhodes: looks like my problem thx [06:57] Tusk: you're welcome; I'm not sure exactly how to proceed from there [06:58] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [06:58] yeah me neither i guess i should add the line in startx script or such [06:59] Slackware already adds those lines for hal [06:59] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [07:00] All you need is to be a member of power and plugdev groups (in your case, plugdev is what matters) [07:00] hello [07:00] i'm already in [07:00] i don't use kdm or gdm and run startxfce4 to load xfce [07:00] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [07:01] think this probably come from here [07:01] Tusk, when did you add yourself to plugdev ? [07:01] long time ago [07:01] :) [07:02] let me try that exec thing brb [07:02] Tusk (~Tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:03] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-142-253.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:03] Tusk (~Tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [07:03] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-190-206.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:03] lol, that's console kit stuff [07:03] b_j_x (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:03] i hoped he knew that [07:03] mmmmh :D [07:06] don't have a clue where that line should be added :D [07:06] gah, grandr depends on gconf, I was hoping it wouldn't since it was hosted on freedesktop.org/xorg ='( [07:08] and it's a completely useless dep since it will be used to query the value of /apps/metacity/{global_keybindings/run_command_1,keybinding_commands/command_1} [07:13] anyone know how i can execute a command from bash using a proxy? [07:15] not sure I undersand what you mean [07:15] proxy what? [07:17] like i want to run a program from a console that connects to the net but i want to run it through a proxy [07:18] oobe: http_proxy variable [07:18] Tusk (~Tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:18] Jessica^ (CarteL__@41.236.14.71) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:20] ty tusk who left [07:20] Tusk (~Tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [07:20] :) [07:20] it really depends on the program, some will accepts an env var but all won't [07:22] trhodes: actually it doesn't work... the exec ck-launch-session always fails with command not found [07:22] yes, it's a console kit thing [07:22] slackware does not do console kit [07:22] http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/fb25d22558d1bed8 [07:23] i did the xinirtc thing [07:23] oh ok it works only with console kit [07:23] yeah, the last line in that arch bbs thread was hal only [07:23] but used arch group names [07:24] zaltekk: btw , the nvidia beta i was talking about yesterday has been tagged as stable 3 days ago, so you should upgrade :p [07:24] yeah my hal.conf as the same lines with the plugdev group so i guess it's ok... [07:24] the plugdev stanza at the end of /etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf is the slack equivalent [07:24] Tusk: have you added ck to Slack? [07:25] not that i know [07:25] con kolivas ? :P [07:25] oh, just wondering [07:26] if it's in default install yes else no [07:26] not quite yet... [07:26] so what does that problem mean? [07:27] i'm suppose to load my xfce session with gdm/kdm to have HAL working properly?? [07:27] dont think so, hal used to work for me reliably even with startx [07:27] with xfce ? [07:28] /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus should have you covered [07:28] yeah, but i ve been using kde for a while so i dont know if thats still true [07:28] brainvision (~brainvisi@host188-211-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:28] it worked at least when 13.0 was released [07:28] KangurX (~ex3@89.231.219.80) joined ##slackware. [07:28] Tusk (~Tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:28] MaLy (MaLy@host-89-230-119-174.strzelcekrajenskie.mm.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:28] tusk tu byl? :D [07:29] LOL [07:29] Tusk (~Tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [07:29] tusk? :D [07:29] xD [07:29] elo MaLy ;d [07:29] siema KangurX :D [07:30] Cii, premier tu jest ;x [07:30] chcielibysmy uslyszec monolog [07:30] MaLy (MaLy@host-89-230-119-174.strzelcekrajenskie.mm.pl) left ##slackware. [07:31] Tusk (~Tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:31] Tusk (~Tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [07:32] sorry didn't see what you said to me [07:32] ok this is working after i restarted rc.messagebus [07:33] oh weird [07:33] yeah [07:33] got an X freeze in the middle :D [07:33] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [07:34] Tusk: aha, rozumiem ciem :D [07:34] ?? [07:34] ya, gut tu si ju :D [07:34] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:35] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [07:35] KangurX: aren't you speaking english? [07:36] najn [07:36] you that's better speaking english on english channels... [07:36] +know [07:37] ok, i joking with u xd [07:38] overrun by polish hoodlums [07:39] KangurX: next time try to joke in a language i understand else it's useless [07:39] Tusk: ok, srry ;d [07:39] vehn_z (~vehn_z@h62-133-183-91.dyn.bashtel.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:40] ok, so I did everything here until the hostapd part http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/UserDocs/ath5kAccessPoint . I get some errors compiling hostapd-0.7.1 [07:40] http://pastebin.org/119238 [07:41] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [07:46] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [07:50] hulu desktop works awesome with http_proxy [07:52] aperturefever (~abell@athedsl-192169.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:54] Greetings. Do you have any idea, where can i find slackbuilds from the distribution?(e.g MPlayer from the official distribution) [07:55] any Slackware mirror in the source/xap directory [07:57] cool, thanks [07:58] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7B5D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:59] reeve (~reeve@p5B13A8BE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:59] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:00] Axius (~hi@92.82.91.201) joined ##slackware. [08:02] aperturefever (~abell@athedsl-192169.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: . [08:04] why do i have so many wifi interfaces? http://pastebin.org/119249 [08:05] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-3-44.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [08:07] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:08] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [08:08] /leave [08:08] KangurX (ex3@89.231.219.80) left ##slackware. 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[08:25] Agiofws_ (~Agiofws@athedsl-434002.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:28] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-142-253.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [08:33] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-142-253.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:37] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) left irc: Quit: Gone Indefinitely [08:38] nannes (~nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [08:38] nannes (nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [08:38] get (get@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-lsbkmiaiisgoaqca) joined ##slackware. [08:38] hi all [08:39] anyone knows how to mount folder1 onto folder2, but still keepin' the content of folder2 ? [08:40] mount? [08:40] or copy? [08:40] yes [08:40] but mount with any special flags? [08:41] copy no, that duplicates the files [08:41] i dont want to duplicate the files [08:41] make a symblic lynk then? [08:41] not the same [08:41] cause, [08:41] cause? [08:41] folder2 is into a workdirectory [08:42] from where i create a iso [08:42] so if i symplink it [08:42] the iso also makes a symplink to nowhere [08:42] on the iso [08:43] and now, i have folder2 with 2 files, if i mount folder1 onto folder2 i see in folder2 only the files of folder2 not the files of folder1 + folder2, thats what i need [08:44] get: So are you using mkisofs(8) ? [08:44] yes [08:45] mornin folks [08:45] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [08:45] ok it's time for me to install new hw and install linux to a disconnected lappy hd. [08:45] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [08:46] i invite all comments, reminders and other minutia to be mindful of now. [08:46] Is there anythin i need to know before upgrading slackware's 13 stock kernel to 2.6.33.1? [08:46] dont break it. [08:46] :) [08:47] dont rm the old kernels [08:47] SunTzu: I never do :) [08:47] good [08:47] get: why do you want to mount folder2 onto folder1? [08:47] if you have pata devices hdx may change to sdx [08:48] xgizzmo, i'll be unmounting all except needed. [08:48] tom_ (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:48] actually, i'll being using the unused box. [08:48] get: if you want to acces files in both folders from one folder, why dont you make a third folder which contains symlinks to the files in folder1 and folder2 [08:49] XGizzmo: i have one pata (samsung drive) and one sata (seagate drive) [08:49] the unused box has no hd and less ram but maybe i'll have a mini-beowulf [08:49] hello I upgraded to current and I cannot recompile the nvidia packages cause it says I don;t have sources of that kernel, but I have , after specifing the path directly it says cannot determine the kernel version. What to do ? [08:49] cd into the src-dir [08:49] src-dir of what [08:50] I'm trying to compile hostapd-0.7.1 and i get this error during make: http://pastebin.org/119250 [08:50] nvid [08:50] and ? [08:51] Azeotrope line 2; find the file that defines that name mentioned and add its .o file to the command [08:52] tom_ why is nvid complaining about missing kernel src? does it want headers? [08:52] Azeotrope: wpa_supplicant installed? [08:53] XGizzmo: i don't think so [08:53] you need it [08:53] tom_: Have you installed kernel source and headers packages? [08:53] can i use rworkman's guide to upgrade my kernel? This one: http://rlworkman.net/howtos/libata-switchover ? [08:53] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: [BX] I see your BitchX is as big as mine! [08:54] now i have a folder containing the repository with all files in different folders, and the workdir of the future iso wich contains also lot of folders, but on a different path [08:54] tom_: Your running -current? [08:54] yes i have them in /lib/modules/kernel-version [08:54] my idea is binding the repo directory into de iso root as packages [08:54] folder [08:55] once making the iso with growisofs it has the whole packages folder with all files [08:55] so i dont have to cp all everytime i make a new iso [08:55] tom_: Source is in /usr/src/linux- [08:55] huh, wait :) [08:56] Axelpalm (~alch@78-28-66-250.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [08:56] Axelpalm (~alch@78-28-66-250.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [08:57] same error [08:59] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.112.101) joined ##slackware. [09:00] bino (~bino@201.78.206.18) joined ##slackware. [09:00] tom_ (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:00] download slackware x86_64 ? [09:00] good morning [09:01] It's not morning for everyone :-P [09:01] But eh yeah why wouldn't you download it? [09:01] yes... link to download? [09:02] www.slackware.org/getslack [09:02] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:02] tom_ (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:02] hi, what does these messages mean in my /var/log/messages: http://www.pastie.org/879546 [09:02] v4nelle (~van@79.103.157.50.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:02] 119.154.112.101 is my ip [09:03] ok so it can determine the path, IT cannot determine the kernel source version, although the path is correct ... hmm someting changed in 2.6.33 kernel sources ? [09:04] yeaha (~yeaha@188.4.113.113.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:05] not download slack x86_64 ? [09:05] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [09:05] huh ? no [09:05] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [09:06] anyone has problems with firefox 3.6 and addons ?? [09:06] 3.6 64b [09:07] any other addon than noscript makes it segfault if not run in safe-mode [09:08] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:08] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [09:10] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@77.49.27.163.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Quit: the poul......... :) [09:11] tom_: 195.36.15 should work any other nvidia driver needs patched to work with 2.6.33 or higher. [09:11] As far as I understand. [09:11] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.112.101) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:11] tom_ (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:20] v4nelle (~van@79.103.157.50.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:21] tom__ (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:22] ok with the newest nvidia installer 195 I get after compiling the module unable to load the module nvidia.ko [09:23] and it fails ; it says it can happen when diffrent version of gcc are used. What is the gcc used to compile the kernel in current ? [09:24] 4.4.1 I think [09:24] uhh I have 4.4.3 mhmhmh what to do to force the installer to use 4.4.1 ? [09:24] 4.4.3 I think [09:25] oO [09:26] also says some drivers might be present but I checked with lsmod maybe something is preventing from touching it; would it help to run that in pure 3 kernel mod [09:26] any ideas with the mount issue? [09:27] ok brb [09:27] exit [09:27] tom__ (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: BitchX: it makes bathtime lots of fun! [09:27] I have a bug report/question: is there any plans on making Kpackage and Network settings (KDE's System settings > Network settings) work in Slackware? [09:27] Kpackage worked in slack12.2 [09:27] alicephilippa (~alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:28] do you have the nouveau module loaded? [09:28] network settings worked too (some what broken, but showed connection status at least) [09:28] Baisuoklis: none at all. [09:29] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [09:29] XGizzmo: why's that? [09:29] bino (bino@201.78.206.18) left ##slackware ("www.tux-es.org"). [09:29] btw: whats the file called screen-bla on a default slack13 installation located at the users homefolder? [09:29] Slackware will not hack the code to make it work, so it's up to upstream. [09:30] Baisuoklis: you could file a bug/feature request with kde folks. [09:30] welll, it really spoils the "Slackware expirience" from my (spoiled user's) perspective :) [09:31] huh? [09:31] expl0it (~tester@220.163.84.243) joined ##slackware. [09:31] it's will take them longer to fix it than for distro maintainers, imho [09:31] pkgtools is the "Slackware expirience" . :P [09:32] XGizzmo: yes [09:32] :) [09:32] but it would be nice having all kde features working [09:32] distro maintainers should not be fixing and adding features to active upstream projects. [09:33] unless there is no way around it. [09:33] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:33] tom_ (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:33] seems something is wrong with the kernel sources ... I don't know what to do now ... [09:33] tom_: do you have the nouveau module loaded? [09:34] no [09:35] are you running the huge kernel? [09:35] yes [09:35] huge smp [09:35] that is likely the problem [09:35] errr... giigle does'nt show. whats the official kde4 irc channel? [09:35] google* [09:36] hmm i will try to get it [09:36] kde4 apparently [09:37] uhh I cannot see antyything like kernel_version_huge_sources [09:37] hi folks, i have a problem with my players (audacious, Rhythmbox), play the files but i cant listen them, video players, flashplayer works ok, how i can debug or see anylog for that? i am using S64 [09:37] the sources from the linux.org would be good ? [09:37] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:38] moonlight22 (~moonlight@ppp089210186216.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:38] CcSsNET (~user@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:39] tom_: there is only 1 source per kernel version [09:39] linux- [09:39] hmm [09:40] so I should try to run generic ? [09:40] You are having problems because the huge kernel has issues loading modules. [09:40] yes [09:40] ok [09:40] but you will also have to use an initrd [09:41] tom_: tips on the switching kernels http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/rt61pci-kernel-module-fails-to-load-in-current-invalid-module-format-796455/ [09:42] oki thanks :) [09:42] tom_ (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: Will the REAL Slim BitchX please stand up? [09:42] bigpaws (~bigpaws@plns-208-111-194-253-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:43] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:44] merciful (~eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:45] merciful (~eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:48] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [09:49] alicephilippa (~alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:50] Nick change: mfreenet -> mikee [09:51] how can i remove kpackage? [09:51] i'm guesing it's part of kdenetwork package [09:51] i want ot remove only kpackage [09:51] kdeutil is mu bet [09:51] kpackage has nothing to do with nettworking package [09:51] you can't [09:52] XGizzmo: ehhh... how do i get rid of this nonworking piece of crap then? [09:53] unfortunately, it's not that easy [09:53] nick4 (~fffeop@178.128.30.237.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:53] alisonken1home: thanks for mentioning wicd. Thats my solution :) [09:53] you would have to rebuild the kde module that provides kpackage and have kpackage disabled. [09:53] np [09:54] XGizzmo: too much hassle, will just edit menu, and remove kpackage entry [09:54] :) [09:55] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [09:56] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [09:57] CcSsNET (~user@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: User disconnected [09:58] zaltekk (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:58] CcSsNET (~q@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:59] expl0it (tester@220.163.84.243) left ##slackware. [09:59] alice_ (~alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:01] sounds much simpler [10:02] alicephilippa (~alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [10:03] or, you could just not click on it :) [10:05] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [10:06] Ohhh.... shiny icon thingy... MUST... NOT... CLICK.... [10:07] aww... crap i clicked it :| [10:08] See this is why GUI's are of the devil. [10:09] zaltekk (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) joined ##slackware. [10:09] lol [10:10] In the beginning was the command-line. [10:10] flux isn't bad, as far as gui's go [10:10] merciful (~eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:12] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7B5D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:12] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7B5D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:13] Axius (~fd@109.97.53.131) joined ##slackware. [10:14] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [10:19] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:19] nvision (~nvision@p4FC03875.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:20] XGizzmo: ok I cannot run the generic kernel ... [10:21] so is there any safe way of returning to the version of 2.6.32.7 ? [10:21] I mean its enought to download those packages kaernel + sources , right ? [10:21] why can't you run the generic kernel? [10:22] if you can't create an initrd for generic, not sure how well you would do recompiling a kernel [10:22] I get this error while trying to install moc with sbopkg:configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables What could be the problem? [10:23] still missing packages? [10:23] set your x86_64 arch properly [10:25] can someone help me? [10:25] 10:22 thrice`| set your x86_64 arch properly [10:25] Axius: ^^^^^ [10:25] What packages should I install? [10:25] lol [10:25] are you on 64-bit ? [10:26] thrice`: no [10:26] yikes [10:26] why didn't you do a full install? [10:26] Action: chipster looks for that said award for thrice` [10:26] paul424: did you follow the how to from that link and did you try the mkinitrd_command_generator.sh script? [10:26] no no , cause I was under terminal [10:27] could you pass it please ? :) [10:27] since last time, you installed the glibc package from l/ or not? [10:27] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/rt61pci-kernel-module-fails-to-load-in-current-invalid-module-format-796455/ [10:27] Axius, if you plan to compile, you should install most of d/ [10:27] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:27] alisonken1home: I cannot cause I get the kernel panic, and I am not initrd savy [10:28] t0yt0y (~paulnamua@unaffiliated/t0yt0y) joined ##slackware. [10:28] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@unaffiliated/t0yt0y' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [10:28] t0yt0y kicked from ##slackware by ChanServ: User is banned from this channel [10:28] s|d/|everything| [10:28] indeed. Axius, you should not be doing an expert install (no offense, kinda?) [10:28] XGizzmo: thanks dude, let the holy Virgin Marry compensate that in children [10:28] heh [10:28] neonflux (~neonflux@ip67-152-80-231.z80-152-67.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [10:30] paul424, hmmm - that can be an issue since it's a littl more involved that just making an initrd [10:30] Axius, install all of a, ap, d and l at least. you need a toolchain to compile things, which is kernel-headers, glibc, binutils, gcc, and a couple other goodies [10:31] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:31] alisonken1home: so if installing initrd won't help starting generic, there's no point ... uhh what might be the resons I get kernel panic ? [10:32] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [10:32] paul: install generic, make initrd for generic, update /etc/lilo.conf to include the generic+initrd [10:32] paul424, how good are you at adding a section to lilo.conf and updating lilo? [10:33] thrice`: I since I started useing slackware I tried always to do a minimal install. [10:33] paul424, that's the point of the initrd image, to pre-load the modules needed to mount your root partition [10:33] paul424: What type of partition is your `/' ? [10:33] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-61-114.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:33] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [10:33] Axius, yes, you aren't qualified yet. do a full install, and start taking stuff away if you're concerned about size [10:34] ext2 [10:34] minimal install doesnt mean broken useless install [10:34] nick4 (fffeop@178.128.30.237.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left ##slackware. [10:34] It does when you can't compile crap. [10:35] or know what few packages compiling crap requires [10:35] he didnt even have make installed until yesterday... [10:35] ok ok seems that duriong my system evolution I removed the initrd line in lilo [10:35] paul424: There are 2 documents for you to read: "/boot/README.initrd" and manual for mkinitrd(8). [10:38] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:38] Immundus (~obi@g225052010.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:39] ok last quetsion there seems to be an initrd.gz file already, it is shipped with the current , so why shouldn't I try it ? [10:39] flaviano (~flaviano@187.64.63.127) joined ##slackware. [10:39] it is not shipped by default [10:39] you must have created it, or someone else [10:39] ohh so it is the old one ... [10:39] no that is the installer image [10:39] adding a "-c" to mkinitrd will clear out previous crap [10:39] never mind [10:40] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) joined ##slackware. [10:40] mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.33 -m ext2 -f ext2 -r /dev/sdb3 is right ? [10:41] merciful (~eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:41] Im having problems in activate my 'DELL INSPIRON 1525' bt43 wireless in -current using wicd. can someone help me ? [10:41] I'm not sure how ext2 works, but looks good [10:41] be sure you tell lilo.conf about the initrd.gz under the generic-kernel section, and run lilo to re-install it [10:42] yeah hmmm... ok wish me good luck brb :) [10:42] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [10:42] flaviano, that requires firmware, no? [10:42] As long as you are just going from huge to generic /usr/share/mkinitrd.mkinitrd_command_generator.sh will spit out a working mkinitrd command to run. [10:42] thrice`: ?? [10:43] /usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh [10:43] flaviano, b43 cards need firmware to work properly, I thought? you own the card, you're supposed to be the expert :) [10:44] thrice`: ah... ok... I need firmware.. I understood [10:44] flaviano, http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=b43&sv=13.0 [10:44] and where can I find it ? [10:44] ah... thanks [10:44] It has to be ripped out of the windows driver I think. [10:45] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:45] thrice`: its work fine in kernel 2.6.33? [10:46] I've installed all d/ series and I still get this error while trying to install moc:configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables [10:46] flaviano, I imagine so, but I don't own such hardware :) [10:46] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [10:46] Axius, sorry, if you want to do an expert install, you'll need to support yourself a little more [10:46] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:46] v4nelle (~van@79.103.157.50.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:46] ok... I will return if its work [10:47] Axius: moc is part of Slackware. Why install it yourself? [10:47] I need only the b43-firmware ? [10:47] flaviano, that's the firmware, and the 'cutter' package helps to extract it - so, you'll need both [10:47] alienBOB: i think he means moc the ncurses music player with the mocp executable [10:48] Ah. Axius, slackware64? [10:49] alienBOB: I try to install moc with sbopkg. [10:49] thrice`: ok [10:49] alienBOB, no, very minimal 32-bit install [10:50] gogie (~paulnamua@unaffiliated/gogie) joined ##slackware. [10:50] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:51] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:53] uhh fail ... seems I need some modules I don;'t know of ... [10:54] Axius: check config.log and you will see what package you forgot to install [10:55] As long as you are just going from huge to generic /usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh will spit out a working mkinitrd command to run. [10:56] I'm trying to compile hostapd-0.7.1 and i get this error during make: http://pastebin.org/119250 [10:56] alienBOB: Where can I find that file config.log? [10:56] Azeotrope: disable the madwifi driver if you don't need it [10:58] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-142-253.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [10:58] XGizzmo: you mean uninstall? [10:58] XGizzmo: yeah thanks again, therre where options I wouldn't find out by myself :) [10:58] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [10:59] Azeotrope: edit the .config file [10:59] XGizzmo: it is disabled! [11:00] Azeotrope: I am not sure then. it builds fine on slackware 12.2 [11:01] Azeotrope: did you run a make clean after doing any kind of edit to .config? [11:01] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:03] do anyone still use plextor drives ? and are they any good ? [11:04] Axius: in the directory where you ran configure [11:04] Are not all optical drive more or less crap now? [11:04] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:04] XGizzmo: yeah... but last time I tried plextor they were really bad... [11:05] and when was that? [11:05] XGizzmo: i'm thinking of a blu ray burner though =) [11:05] isnt that still optical? [11:05] I remember the early 90's and plextor was one of the first readily detectable with overburn capabilities [11:05] blu ray I would go with sony or samsung [11:05] XGizzmo: ok :-D [11:06] tom_ (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:06] admboom: plextor was the best for quite some time =) [11:06] uhh great I have the module nouveou ; and cannot modprobe -r cause it is in use .. what to do ? [11:07] Besides the 760A was the last of their writers, I think now they sell rebadged Lite-On drives [11:07] Ratrophy: hehe... [11:08] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [11:10] tom_: rmmod nouveou [11:10] v4nelle (~van@79.103.157.50.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:11] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:11] tom_: echo "nouveou" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf [11:11] I think it is blacklist.conf in -current [11:12] yeaha (~yeaha@188.4.113.113.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:12] i guess the module name is nouveau, not nouveou [11:12] yeah [11:12] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:12] I never can spell the dang thing [11:13] or say it :P [11:13] neither can tom_ it seems.. [11:13] yeaha (~yeaha@188.4.113.113.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:14] tom_ (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: [BX] Pretzel Boy uses BitchX. Shouldn't you? [11:14] tom_ (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:14] so how do I get off this module [11:15] tom_: quit X and run rmmod nouveau [11:15] XGizzmo: err, I cant find any samsung or sony blu ray burners =) [11:15] tom_: then echo "nouveau" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf [11:16] sony makes a burner I don;t know about samsung [11:16] tom_: then modprobe nvidia [11:17] XGizzmo : uhh I am under kernel 3 mode , but still I cannot remove it ... [11:17] tom_, are you logged in as root when you try to remove it? [11:17] yes [11:18] try blacklisting nouveau (XGizzmo note above), then reboot [11:18] ok [11:19] last quest : the noveou is the nv generic driver for X11 , right ? [11:19] nope [11:20] hmm ok brb [11:20] must blacklist nouveau, *must* [11:20] tom_ (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: [BX] Mr. T uses BitchX. Shouldn't you, SUCKAH? [11:20] tom_: if you are on -current, nouveau also runs a framebuffer... [11:20] bleh, typed too slow. [11:20] tom_, nv is the older nvidia video driver for X [11:20] too late :) [11:21] merciful (~eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:22] anyway, nouveau *MUST* be blacklisted in slackware kernels [11:22] He will be back when he can't startx [11:22] when he comes back, can someone ping me? I have a question for him [11:22] Camarade_Tux: okay [11:23] merciful (~eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:23] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [11:24] thanks =) [11:25] v4nelle (~van@79.103.157.50.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:26] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-242-000.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:30] Camarade_Tux: that is funny considering all the noise from the kernel dev's about the nvidia supplied drivers =) [11:30] ehhh... just noticed that the hercules.info in the new update states the wrong version number... My fault (just checked my local file) [11:30] MrJackson (~MrJackson@173-86-56-126.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [11:31] should I resubmit, or can an admin correct this? [11:31] I've had a problem and I've seen other peoples having the same problem, I mentionned it on #nouveau but haven't insisted on that since there was a pretty easy fix [11:31] I also assumed they were going to fix it since they were able to quickly find the problem [11:32] Camarade_Tux: is there a fix other than blacklisting the module? (I mean a *real* fix) [11:32] maybe with .1 [11:32] for me, it fails when switching from vga to nouveau [11:32] or whatever goes into current next [11:32] the fix was to not use... vga [11:33] not build the nouveau module should fix it [11:33] I don't know fedora and others, I don't know if they'll make it so you only use nouveau if you have a supported card [11:33] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:33] they could detect that at install and "configure" the modules [11:34] afaict, the problem was the "vga/vesa handout" [11:35] niels_horn: we can fix that, send an email to the list. [11:35] Camarade_Tux: does nouveau provide 3d support now ? [11:35] yes [11:35] Camarade_Tux: nice [11:35] is it usable? [11:35] =) [11:35] Camarade_Tux: lol [11:35] WIP ;-) [11:36] Camarade_Tux: WIP ? [11:36] XGizzmo: ok, will do... [11:36] Work In Progress [11:36] Camarade_Tux: aah :] [11:37] reverse engineering is slow and error prone. [11:37] except that nouveau works better than nv and it's *really* stable [11:37] it's been much more stable than nvidia [11:38] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:38] Camarade_Tux: eh maybe.. but nvidia works better for me =) [11:38] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [11:38] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [11:39] phrag (phrag@79-64-249-239.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left ##slackware. [11:39] phrag (~phrag@79-64-249-239.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [11:39] afternoon phrag [11:39] hey XGizzmo =) [11:40] Billtoo (~bill@bas4-unionville55-2925469705.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [11:40] Camarade_Tux: anyway does it support a GeForce 9800 GT ? [11:41] snL20: nvidia doesn't have (x)randr =) [11:41] Camarade_Tux: uhm... I use xrandr with my card [11:41] snL20: yeah but you'll probably want nvidia: I guess you want 3D and nouveau doesn't have power management [11:42] Camarade_Tux: xrandr seems to work with nvidia [11:42] s binary drivers for me [11:42] zaltekk: yeah.. I have it hotkeyed to switch rez in X after playing games in wine =) [11:42] hmmm, maybe they added it [11:43] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [11:43] http://http.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-u.html mentions xrandr [11:44] nvidia 190.53-1 [11:45] v4nelle (~van@79.103.157.50.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:46] but I wasn't happy with the nvidia driver, it was especially a pain for kernel upgrades [11:46] and I had hard-freezes [11:46] you cant compare the nvidia blob to nouveau yet [11:46] maybe with nv [11:47] i've never had issues with the binary driver [11:47] it wasn't freezing everyday, only from time to time [11:47] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:47] moonlight22: you can [11:48] you said it yourself. no 3d , no power management. [11:48] Camarade_Tux: what card do you have ? [11:48] you can compare [11:48] nouveau works better for me [11:48] Camarade_Tux: whatever works for ya :] [11:48] better but missing the most important features. [11:48] snL20: 8600M GS [11:49] anyway hopefully nouveau will kill the blob soon [11:49] I don't care about 3D, only PM [11:49] now, nvidia doesn't provide KMS and it's less reliable [11:49] Camarade_Tux: KMS ? [11:50] will nouveau also do physX? [11:50] kernel mode-setting: native resolution for the linux console and fast linux console [11:50] anyway I doubt the nvidia driver will dissappear completely as new cards get supported by it =) [11:50] and one day, X not running as root... which we'll probably *all* value [11:51] PhysX? well, maybe one day but it's probably very low priority [11:51] yeaha (~yeaha@188.4.113.113.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:52] Camarade_Tux: yes... so anyone looking to game on linux will still use the nvidia driver =) [11:52] zaltekk (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) left irc: Disconnected by services [11:52] Axius (~fd@109.97.53.131) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:52] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [11:52] snL20: nope -_- [11:52] Camarade_Tux: yup [11:52] all the games from y/ run flawlessly =) [11:53] Camarade_Tux: dont be stupid [11:53] :D [11:53] I'm a robots-master, I haz the highscores! [11:53] lol [11:54] flash games work too [11:54] Camarade_Tux: is flash even open source ? [11:54] 3D is being worked on, is available and is improving but it's still quite slow [11:54] snL20: nope [11:55] Axius (~fd@109.97.53.131) joined ##slackware. [11:55] Camarade_Tux: so... what's the difference between flash and the nvidia drivers... the nvidia drivers are more stable anyway =) [11:55] flash will only kill the browser ;-) [11:55] Camarade_Tux: well the nvidia drivers have never killed my X =) [11:56] with the nvidia driver, I had to hard reboot [11:56] Camarade_Tux: never happened here [11:56] only a few times, but that's more than I want [11:56] and sleep has been working nicely too [11:57] sleep ? [11:57] Nick change: flaviano -> vldmr [11:57] shutdown, hibernate, sleep [11:57] vldmr (~flaviano@187.64.63.127) left irc: Changing host [11:57] vldmr (~flaviano@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [11:57] Camarade_Tux: baah that's for fags =) [11:57] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:57] laptop here ;-) [11:58] snL20: my other computer is: http://nabucho.org:21010/ [11:58] Camarade_Tux: hehe. on a laptop I'd use windows 7 actually :P [11:58] been running for days =) [11:58] bah :o [11:58] lol [11:58] from flaviano to thrice`: I had installed both packages now... how can I use it ? [11:58] http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/hacker-bricks-cars/ [11:58] windows 7. same ol' shit with new flashy interface! [11:59] what an ad that would be [11:59] :p [11:59] john_dee: naah... windows 7 is much better than vista [11:59] snL20: it is. but still :) [11:59] from flaviano to thrice`: manual or tutorial ? [11:59] Axelpalm (alch@78-28-66-250.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [11:59] john_dee: yeah... I'm not happy about it but I would use it on a new laptop [12:00] zaltekk` (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) joined ##slackware. [12:01] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:02] my laptop was my main machine, so no win7 as main OS [12:02] Camarade_Tux: why dont you sync all of source/ ? [12:03] moonlight22: what? [12:03] The-Croupier (~ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [12:03] in nabucho.org [12:04] theres series missing [12:04] greetings [12:04] moonlight22: ah, right, I had forgotten this what that git repo, I thought it was another one [12:04] moonlight22: because these series are not useful for what I'm doing [12:05] hiya Camarade_Tux [12:05] ok [12:05] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) joined ##slackware. [12:05] moonlight22 (~moonlight@ppp089210186216.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Quit: moonlight22 [12:05] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [12:05] I left out kde, kdei, x [12:05] I also left out xap but that's a mistake [12:06] Camarade_Tux: what about emacs? [12:06] hi The-Croupier =) [12:06] raela: not sure ^^ [12:06] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:07] this is "port" of some slackbuilds to gcc on windows (although it can be used with any cross-compiler), maybe emacs will make sense ;p [12:07] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:07] is there a way to redirect only specific lines in a file to another file? for example fileUrls cat only lines that contain http > all urls...:( [12:08] anavel (~Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:08] pipe to grep and filter? [12:08] vldmr (~flaviano@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Quit: rebooting [12:08] grep http file1 > file2 [12:08] cat fileUrls | grep "www" > file2 [12:08] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [12:08] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [12:08] mancha: ohh i see...grep works straight away :( [12:08] Camarade_Tux: bah! burn the heathen for suggesting it! [12:08] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-190-206.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:08] mancha: thanks ill try that [12:09] np [12:09] raela: don't worry, I'm editing the files with vim ;p [12:10] InTel_GB (~intel@79.100.235.164) joined ##slackware. [12:10] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-190-206.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:12] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.0.38) joined ##slackware. [12:12] The-Croupier: generally I wind up using cat /etc/shadow | grep "root" > hax too cause I've made the mistake of using sed directly =) [12:12] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:13] tommys_knockers (~sibb@212.183.140.32) joined ##slackware. [12:13] Camarade_Tux: you need gnu tools on windows ? [12:14] ok i hgave the kde4.4.1 installed on my system, is there I a way I can test it without rebooting ? [12:14] goarilla: sed, grep, find ? [12:14] goarilla: only putting some [12:14] without restaring X ? [12:14] http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/ [12:14] Camarade_Tux: ping [12:14] sed is annoying for the / vs. \ [12:14] there is also cygwin but that's even worse imho [12:15] XGizzmo_: thanks [12:15] Camarade_Tux: so use another delimiter :P [12:15] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [12:15] ah [12:15] yeah you can s;stuff;replace;g if you want too just like in perl [12:15] gnuwin32 is half-crap [12:16] cygwin is full crap [12:16] but it's because of the HOST [12:16] Camarade_Tux: like sed s###g [12:16] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:16] they say they're porting glibc but several of the functions are badly implemented [12:16] some just do nothing [12:17] flaviano (~flaviano@187.64.65.190) joined ##slackware. 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[12:23] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:23] ooow [12:23] it has gotten improved [12:23] mmm [12:23] goarilla: samba ? [12:23] :D [12:24] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:24] heh, just saw http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjkwMw "RandR 1.2 Coming To NVIDIA's Binary Driver", from about 15 months ago [12:25] InTel_GB (intel@79.100.235.164) left ##slackware. [12:25] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) joined ##slackware. [12:25] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [12:26] huh samba ? [12:26] omg it even has perl [12:26] why am i installing activestate perl again [12:26] I think it is activestate ;-) [12:27] goarilla: so what are you doing on windows? [12:27] because you want a perl thats not a pain in the ass to keep up. [12:27] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. 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[12:41] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-142-253.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [12:46] ["1DayLater","http://1daylater.com/", "Friends"], this is the format i want to get at ...and i have a file with 700 lines of the url only :( is there a way to add the rest before and after the url to end up like that format? :( been looking in the wiki...google...but not getting much luck :( [12:46] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [12:47] Can someone advice something? :( [12:47] i cannot do it by hand...it will take me foreever :( [12:47] The-Croupier: write a script? [12:48] how does it get "friends" if all you know is http://1daylater.com/ ? [12:48] The-Croupier: what is your input? [12:48] Friends is a category im using ;) [12:48] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] that's irrelevant to my Q though [12:48] alienBOB: a file with 700 urls ;) [12:48] It all needs to have "Friends"? [12:49] And it all needs "1DayLater" before? [12:49] yes that is the category ;), its just an example ;) ill use unsorted insead of friends [12:49] nope that can change ;) [12:49] to 1,2,3...etc [12:49] Into what? [12:49] The-Croupier: what is the category based on? [12:49] You're too vague [12:50] much too vague. [12:50] The-Croupier: give an input example [12:50] alienBOB: check www.ksandro.info in the search category ;) [12:50] your name is mentioned in Friends category as well ;) [12:50] i just created a file with 700urls i had gathered during these weeks. [12:51] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:51] the format that the script im using in my website is the example i posted above... [12:51] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) joined ##slackware. [12:51] The-Croupier: just fix my name... [12:52] alienBOB: ? [12:52] Typo [12:53] oops...sorry ill change it now ;) [12:53] shall i use alienBOB or that is alright? [12:53] and why am I not under unresolved medical cases! ;) [12:53] BP{k}: lol [12:53] Still it is unclear how you determine what goes in front of those URLs [12:54] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:54] alienBOB: right are you in the site? ;) [12:55] The-Croupier, what do you need to do? [12:55] ["alienBoB","http://somesite.com/", "Category"] [12:56] that doesnt help me, where are you getting you data from? [12:56] now i dont care about the first part, and the "category" could be the word "unresolved" as well [12:56] vldmr (~flaviano@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Quit: saindo... [12:56] nachox: from a file i just created... [12:56] its a list of http://www.somesite.com [12:56] briareus (~briareus@174.33.137.190) joined ##slackware. [12:56] briareus (~briareus@174.33.137.190) left irc: Changing host [12:56] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [12:56] The-Croupier: give one or two lines of example inpit -> output [12:56] the file has the urls [12:56] thats the only thing i have...i need to add the rest somehow ;) [12:57] nachox: yep [12:57] the rest of the data is what i want to know where it comes from [12:57] nachox: the first part, is the name that is going to be shown in the left texbox in the site, and the category shall be the same word "unresolved" [12:58] and the names are where? in another file? [12:58] ["1","http://somesite.com/", "UnResolved"] [12:58] nachox: nope, the names i make them ;) and the categories i make them ;) [12:58] The-Croupier: if you make them, then you ahve to do it by hnad [12:59] or by magic. [12:59] but for now, i am happy with 1,2,3,4,5,6,...etc [12:59] ok, then use python to do that [12:59] and will edit it by hand slowly [12:59] it cant be easier with it [12:59] heh [13:00] just open the url file read all its lines and start making an 3 member array with a counter as the first member, the url in the second and the word unresolved in the third [13:00] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Changing host [13:00] hackeron (~hackeron@gentoo/user/hackeron) joined ##slackware. [13:00] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:00] then print the array, its already in the format you want [13:01] zaltekk` (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:01] When I open mplayer I get this error:libcdda_interface.so.0: I try to install cdparanoia-III_10.2-i486-1 but still I get the some error. [13:01] well, almost, you want to convert the counter to a string first [13:01] it really doesnt get any easier [13:01] Axius you have not posted an error [13:02] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [13:02] nachox: did you say php? :( cos sure as hell i have no clue about php :( [13:02] mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libcdda_interface.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [13:03] ls -l /usr/lib/libcdda_interface.so.0 ? [13:03] mancha: ls: cannot access /usr/lib/libcdda_interface.so.0: No such file or directory [13:04] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:04] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:04] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:04] ldconfig -p | grep libcdda [13:04] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:04] ok nevermind [13:04] there you go. so something's funky in your cdparanoia install.. can you pastebin: cat /var/log/packages/cdparanoia-III_10.2-i486-1 ? [13:04] it's part of the cdparanoia package [13:05] ok [13:05] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [13:05] cat: /var/log/packages/cdparanoia-III_10.2-i486-1: No such file or directory [13:05] so fetch and install it Axius [13:06] are you sure you installed cdparanoiai then, as you said you did? [13:07] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@200.159.32.100) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:07] goarilla: I've to install cdparanoiai with slackpkg install cdparanoia-III_10.2-i486-1 and I could find it. [13:07] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:07] with pkgtool as installed [13:07] i would say installpkg, not that familliar with slackpkg [13:07] Axius, i am terribly confused. Youstarted this whole thing by saying you had installed it. So Have you or not? [13:08] what does this give: ls /var/log/packages/cdparanoia* [13:08] mancha: /bin/ls: cannot access /var/log/packages/cdparanoia*: No such file or directory [13:08] iirc slackpkg usually prompts you before installing with dialog [13:09] ok, so it is _not_ installed. which means you must install it [13:09] so maybe you pushed cancel [13:11] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:13] I have not installed xz, that's was the real problem. now is working again. thank you for your help guys! [13:13] ah yes, new pkgtool need xz to install new .txz packages [13:13] but xz package is still distributed as tgz ? [13:14] i think txz is a great idea by the way as long as someone else is doing the compressing :) [13:14] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:14] :D [13:14] why not 4096 bits encrypted packages ;P [13:15] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [13:15] one of my kvm's launches a file download then expects java to run it.. [13:15] what this main (ERROR: rpm2cpio failed. (maybe starcal-1.3.6-2.noarch.rpm is not an RPM?) [13:16] i'm guessing it's javaws, anyone run into issues with it before? it gives me a java execv error [13:16] what it says [13:16] a corrupt rpm perhaps ? [13:16] or not a rpm at all ( file could help you i think ) [13:17] that looks like a custom error msg [13:17] are you running something distrib-specific like rpm2tgz? [13:17] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:17] mancha: yes [13:18] try rpm2cpio file.rpm directly, what errro? [13:18] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:19] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [13:19] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:19] mancha: rpm2cpio: error while loading shared libraries: libnss3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [13:20] i'm gonna say it again: mastering regular expressions is a *great* book [13:20] Blue there you have it [13:20] nss isn't that the nsswitch.conf stuff ? [13:20] mancha: rpm2cpio starcal-1.3.6-2.noarch.rpm [13:20] nss is encryption stuff [13:20] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:21] d3m0n3 (~EviL@2001:470:d11a::c0ca) joined ##slackware. [13:21] you need to install glibc [13:21] HUH? [13:21] ooow wait [13:21] firefox, seamonkey, .... they all have their own versions of that lib [13:22] openoffice [13:22] goarilla: but i have it now [13:23] goarilla, you mispelled your nickname. [13:23] lol [13:23] odd is my rpm2cpio isn't linked to that dir [13:23] lib* [13:24] it is weird [13:24] yeah it is [13:25] maybe it is a dep of the new rpm package. in slack 13? dunno. [13:25] install seamonkey or FF, thatll give you libnss [13:25] it is mozilla's tls api [13:26] Razec (1000@187-27-229-152.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:26] Razec (1000@187-27-229-152.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [13:26] Razec (1000@187-27-229-152.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:27] you'll need to symlink to a common ld.so.conf [13:27] dir [13:28] seamonkey-solibs provides that lib. [13:28] although seamonkey seems to do it for you [13:28] has seamonkey been split in to packages in 13 ? [13:29] into two* [13:29] There's seamonkey which hasn't changed and seamonkey-solibs that will provide necessary libs without installing the browser suite. [13:31] You don't need seamonkey-solibs if you want the seamonkey suite. [13:32] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [13:32] nick4 (~fffeop@178.128.30.237.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:35] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.34) joined ##slackware. [13:36] ah thats good, you can just install the mozilla libs via seamonkey-solibs then [13:36] no need for the added files if you don't want seamonkey, Blue [13:38] How can I clean /tmp? [13:39] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:39] matze (~matze@188-195-140-113-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [13:39] that raises a good point though, rpm2tgz (pat's invention) should not try to invent a new error message. [13:39] hi [13:39] the error messages related to rpm2cpio have already been invented and changing them just obfuscates the underlying problem [13:39] Axius rm -rfv /tmp/* [13:41] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:42] nick4: thanks [13:43] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.15.88) joined ##slackware. [13:43] also, there might be files that belong to root there (eg if you compiled something from slackbuilds.org), you simply need root priviledges to delete theses files [13:43] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-14.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:44] goarilla: mancha : tnx , it's resolved [13:46] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-14.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:48] kingbeowulf (~kingbeowu@c-71-59-193-120.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:49] np, glad it worked out. [13:51] hi anyone with a awus050nh adapter here? [13:52] hi all. when i try to telnet to an host i have this message "Configuration file does not specify default realm when parsing name" [13:52] what file/permission do i have to change on the host to make it work? [13:53] the password and the login name i prompt are correct [13:53] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.254.47.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [13:54] raela (~raela@c-76-100-139-184.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:54] on the host the #ls -l /etc/profile >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root [13:54] try the ip [13:54] AmigaNet (~298d3aac@gateway/web/freenode/x-bfqpbjaganffsxak) joined ##slackware. [13:54] hhealth care passed apparently [13:54] 240 votes so far [13:55] realm is related to netbios and or dns iirc [13:55] XGizzmo, get out your checkbook [13:55] we have healthcare [13:55] mrselfpwn (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-lqopcxoauvunwyau) joined ##slackware. [13:55] why shouldn't you [13:55] i use telnet 192.168.0.22 to connect [13:55] albeit its not a good moment for it [13:55] goarilla, cause poor americans dont want to give hand outs apparently [13:56] one a side note [13:56] why use telnet ? [13:56] wait, how many are they voting on [13:56] oh it didn't pass yet [13:56] the problem is prob server side tho [13:56] maybe it tries to resolve you for log info [13:58] oh no it didn't, that was the wrong vote :D [13:58] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:00] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [14:04] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.15.88) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:05] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:07] Where does slackware stores the tagfile for each series? [14:08] pupiteee (~p@93.86.158.33) joined ##slackware. [14:08] hi [14:10] alpha213 (~alpha@cpe-72-183-217-40.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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Except for the glass, I guess [14:34] the good one too, not the one that is made everyday for monies [14:34] so is it a pain to get ff 3.6 to work in slack 12.2? [14:34] The-Croupier, clearlooks is not installed by default, gtk-engines provides it. xfce can support any gtk engine, so it's just a matter of installing it [14:35] well, either way, i see it in there by default ;) [14:35] you must have installed gtk-engines, then [14:36] i need some new ones apart from the ones there already...dont like some of those stuff ;) [14:36] thrice`: yes i have ;) [14:36] thrice`: i should have said that before i guess..sorry [14:37] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:38] if the theme you want uses the clearlooks engine, you should be able to just drop it into ~/.themes. if it's a new engine you want, you'll have to compile and install it [14:40] Can you inject some malicious code in the kernel? [14:40] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:40] i want to change the colors of the menus...etc...;) [14:41] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [14:41] i can change the borders..etc..but not the menus..i think thats whats it called from what i saw in the properties [14:41] nvision (~nvision@p4FC03875.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:42] Baisuoklis (~Baisuokis@86.100.65.204) left irc: Quit: Slackware GNU/Linux - World domination is a click away! [14:44] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:44] brainvision (~brainvisi@95.238.47.2) joined ##slackware. [14:47] <_matze> Azeotrope: can birds fly ? [14:47] _matze: all except the penguin (which is the linux logo btw) [14:48] <_matze> ;) [14:49] qneo (knao@adsl-d12.84-47-86.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [14:50] The-Croupier (ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [14:51] <_matze> but penguins are slow, so it was a wrong decision ? [14:51] clijunkie (1000@mail.webmasterforhire.net) joined ##slackware. [14:53] Hello, does anyone know if the extras/bash-completion gives the ability to have tab completion on $ssh someserv[TAB]? [14:56] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.57) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:56] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@188.140.100.128) joined ##slackware. [14:59] so *nix is less secure than windoze [15:00] <_matze> hm depends [15:00] depends how good is the person admin-ing it [15:00] *on [15:01] <_matze> no system is secure [15:01] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:01] <_matze> just illusion [15:02] <_matze> more complex, more insecure .. [15:02] brainvision: hi man are you there [15:02] i played a bit with a metasploit payload for example. on win you can see the process. on linux, no idea... [15:03] <_matze> never tried it :) [15:04] <_matze> do you known damn vulnerable linux ? [15:04] _matze, security is a relative term. in terms of security you need to ask yourself how important is the information or system you have to protect and for how long. only after doing that assesment can you say something is secure [15:05] SiegeX2 (~SiegeX@c-76-102-150-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:05] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:05] <_matze> its just a questions of time until one finds a way :) [15:05] tuxdev (hidden-use@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [15:07] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [15:08] _matze, that is correct, but lets suppose you get the hash of the root of my unix, But the password that maps to that hash is 100 chars long with numbers, capital leters and symbols [15:08] furthermore, assume its not any variation of a dictionary word [15:09] <_matze> i know :) [15:09] in time you will be able to crack my root password, but will the information in that system be valuable to you by then? [15:09] can you say my system is insecure even if you managed to get the hash of my root's password? [15:10] <_matze> if i get important information i save it on a non networked machine [15:10] <_matze> but for now i have no personal need for a highsecurity enviroment [15:10] kkrev (~kkrev@c-68-49-46-218.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:11] <_matze> if you need months/years to get it decrypted its pretty useless [15:11] what's the deal with typing spanish accent characters? From what google tells me I'm supposed to be able to hit the right alt key (altgr) and various keys to get them. [15:11] _matze, exactly, cracking my system that way is not economical, therefore, my system, at least from that attack vector is secure [15:11] it doesn't work out of the box. I have lang=en_US.utf-8 [15:12] kkrev, press the ' key and then the vowel [15:12] nochox: it doesn't work. [15:13] I get various garbage. [15:13] what keyboard layout are you using? [15:13] It's a US keyboard. LANG=en_US.UTF-8. [15:14] X config has all the US defaults. [15:14] that is the language, not they keyboard layout [15:14] <_matze> kkrev: loadkeys [15:14] um, I'm pretty sure it's loading us.map.gz from /usr/share/kbd/keymaps if that's what you mean. [15:15] kkrev, you want the us international keyboard layout [15:15] SiegeX2 (~SiegeX@c-76-102-150-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: [15:16] ok. I'm guessing that's the us-acentos.map.gz one. [15:16] i think kde has a nice module to change the keyboard layout. are you using kde? [15:16] even though us.map.gz does say stuff about 'AltGr' up top. [15:17] using fluxbox and xterms. [15:18] ok, do you have an xorg.conf file? [15:18] yes. [15:18] look for they keyboard entry [15:18] xkbdlayout = us [15:19] add Option "XkbVariant" "intl" [15:19] oh. that's easy. thanks. [15:19] wait, that cant be what your xorg.conf file says [15:19] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [15:19] does it say something like Option "XkbLayout" "us" ? [15:20] yes. no '='. Just conveying the meaning. [15:20] not literal cut and paste [15:20] oh, ok [15:22] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:23] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt5-port-222.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] restarted X and it still doesn't work. rightalt-"'" giv § [15:25] no, no [15:25] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [15:25] press '-a [15:25] or '-e [15:27] I don't understand. My right alt key is behaving exactly like a normal alt key is the issue. [15:27] is ext4 still experimental? [15:28] kkrev, i never told you to press the rightalt key [15:28] Azeotrope, i dont think so, several distros use it by default already [15:28] <_matze> is ext4 really better ? [15:29] never had issues with it. [15:29] sorry, I'm confused. apostrophe-a produces "'a", as one would expect. [15:29] that is odd [15:30] '-a should produce á. [15:30] <_matze> just read it you should get better performance with it [15:30] <_matze> sry wrong spelling [15:30] it'd depend on the workload probably, check phoronix, those guys have a lot of benchmarks [15:31] <_matze> k thx :) [15:31] -a [15:32] my terminal doesn't allow diacritics. i only get ? [15:33] check your LANG [15:34] clijunkie (1000@mail.webmasterforhire.net) left ##slackware. [15:34] nachox: where? the keyboard layout? [15:34] also make sure your terminal supports UTF-8 [15:34] no LANG is an environmental variable [15:34] <_matze> no [15:35] When I want to change the console font I get this msg: putfont: KDFONTOP: Invalid argument. this command setfont ter-120b [15:35] Why I get that msg? [15:37] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-3-44.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:38] <_matze> Azeotrope: /etc/profile.d/lang.sh i think [15:38] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-78-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:38] <_matze> or lang.csh depends on shell you use [15:40] ThrobbingPython (~g@vc-41-26-123-89.umts.vodacom.co.za) joined ##slackware. [15:40] how wide is the SATA bus? [15:42] <_matze> sends SATA not bit by bit ? [15:43] pata is wide, sata is serial [15:43] sure but it must have a bandwidth [15:43] 3ghz [15:43] ta :) [15:43] <_matze> SATA transfers one bit per clk ? [15:44] 3gbit u mean? [15:45] cbpye (~cbpye@c-71-229-54-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:45] l8rz! [15:45] <_matze> wikipedia knowns it :) i read for now [15:45] ThrobbingPython (g@vc-41-26-123-89.umts.vodacom.co.za) left ##slackware. [15:45] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-181-253.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:45] Heya,folks [15:46] <_matze> 150mb/s requires 1500Mhz oO [15:46] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:46] Axius (~fd@109.97.53.131) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:49] can someone please index all the webpages so i can have tab-completion when using wger? [15:49] wget [15:50] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:50] <_matze> Azeotrope: use copy&paste :) [15:53] blkdg (~blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [15:54] hi, does anyone here use kino, kdenlive, cinelerra ? [15:54] i have copypastephobia [15:54] just wondering why there's no sackbuilds for cine and kden at slackbuilds/ [15:54] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.66.128) joined ##slackware. [15:55] kkrev (~kkrev@c-68-49-46-218.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:55] AmigaNet (298d3aac@gateway/web/freenode/x-bfqpbjaganffsxak) left ##slackware. [15:57] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.0.38) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:58] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] mtl (mtl@shell.pox.fi) joined ##slackware. [16:00] CaptainPickles (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-cwztajomefxprgiq) joined ##slackware. [16:02] blkdg, because they are ready for you to make them :) [16:02] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] tuxdev (hidden-use@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:03] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [16:03] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [16:05] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-181-253.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:05] admboom, so they'll compile effortlessly? [16:06] Blikjeham, well, I meant script the slackBuilds [16:06] whoops tab fail, blkdg [16:07] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] sup ./ [16:09] i see! [16:09] thanks anyhow [16:14] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:15] grub or lilo? [16:16] well, lilo is the default, but if you _really_ want grub, it's in extra/ [16:16] Action: admboom hugs lilo [16:16] i use, lilo [16:16] i was asking what's better [16:16] 0 - 0 [16:16] ha [16:17] better ? [16:17] whichever one is working for you [16:17] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-190-206.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:17] what are you installing [16:17] most (like 99%) of the people here use lilo [16:17] fuel for a flame war? had a neat redhat server go offline this morning, and dcops booted it, returning a grub error 15 (file not found) [16:17] i found lilo easier to config than grub [16:18] ya butt it depends on what he is installing [16:18] by the way, any idea on how I could make the .bmp change when i select another os from list? [16:19] not without hacking the bootloader code [16:19] i'd like to have the bmp with slackware and one with windows if i select win [16:19] when i use to dual boot i used grub installer [16:19] you can run a script to change the bmp between reboots, but during menu selection is not easy [16:20] i hope i'll see that in the new version of lilo [16:20] you're likely to get a biased opinion on lilo v. grub here :) the reason is slackware makes it very easy to end up using lilo and relatively harder to end up using grub [16:20] Action: NaCl thinks that grub is better than lilo [16:20] i think grub allows some nice things which lilo doesn't [16:21] on-the-fly params are nice [16:21] it's a bit more flexible, IMO [16:21] mancha: that is the main reason why I use it [16:21] actually, lilo allows changing parameters passed to the kernel when you select also [16:22] ? [16:22] yes, but you can't select kernels not currently in the lilo config, correct? [16:22] NaCl, true [16:22] elliot98 (~elliot@109.65.3.207) joined ##slackware. [16:23] sometimes, I forget silly things like that [16:23] elliot98 (~elliot@109.65.3.207) left irc: Changing host [16:23] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) joined ##slackware. [16:23] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [16:23] like not updating the bootloader, or not making a new initrd [16:23] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) left irc: Client Quit [16:23] elliot98 (~elliot@109.65.3.207) joined ##slackware. [16:24] elliot98 (~elliot@109.65.3.207) left irc: Changing host [16:24] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) joined ##slackware. [16:24] does xf86-video-ati in -current have at least initial support for GL for evergreen cards? [16:25] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) left irc: Client Quit [16:25] elliot98 (~elliot@109.65.3.207) joined ##slackware. [16:26] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [16:26] Hey. This might be a bad question but here goes. How can I check the entire drive for consistency? [16:26] what kind of consistency? [16:26] fsck [16:27] fsck but.. [16:27] on reboot, fsck is typically run to check that (unless it's marked as clean) [16:27] elliot98 (~elliot@109.65.3.207) left irc: Changing host [16:27] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) joined ##slackware. [16:27] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) left irc: Client Quit [16:27] I want to force one on the entire drive, not just this partition I'm on. [16:27] that'll check the fs for consisency, not sure what a drive's consistency means abstractinga from the fs [16:27] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-109-65-3-207.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [16:27] Actually I can do it manually but is there a more efficient way? [16:27] riza, badblocks? [16:27] write a script [16:28] Hm maybe I should rephrase, how can I force a fsck on this partition before booting into it? [16:28] I was about to suggest that, but don't know how to do it. [16:28] mancha ! That completely flew over my head, thanks for reminding me! [16:28] since consistency depends on what filesystem format is used, you also may have an issue running fsck on mounted drives as well [16:28] touch /forcefsck [16:28] touch /etc/... [16:28] then reboot [16:28] I should bonk myself in the head. [16:28] Okay, "touch /forcefsck"? [16:28] Interesting. [16:28] 'touch /etc/forcefsck" [16:28] yea /etc/ [16:29] rc.S catches the if -r /etc/forcefsck then kicks it off [16:29] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-109-65-3-207.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:29] I will reboot soon. [16:29] One other question. I read the wiki and some other doc on ext2 and 3. It turns out it DOES say defragment is recommended but not done often. Why not? [16:29] And how does one defrag anyway? [16:30] mv [16:30] it is hard to defrag riza, there aren't intelligent implementations imvho [16:30] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:31] Hm. That much I figured. [16:31] filefrag can give you a sesne of how bad you have it [16:31] o_o ...am i missing out by not having 256 colors in my terminals ? [16:31] that's why I use reiserfs! [16:32] but the truth is, ext2/3 don't fragment _too_ much [16:33] nvision (~nvision@g225054249.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:34] what about reiser? [16:34] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:34] isn't Hans still in jail? [16:34] and? [16:34] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [16:35] Hans is in jail now. He confessed... [16:35] hard to maintain it [16:35] :D [16:35] nick4 (~fffeop@178.128.30.237.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: [16:35] admboom: someone else is, obviously. [16:35] admboom: no, he has more time now for developing [16:35] thumbs, yes... but there are better alternatives [16:35] pupiteee, lol [16:35] well, let's just say the maintainers of reiserfs wanted to make more changes than the linux kernel guys wanted to do all at once [16:36] <_matze> is reiserfs backwards combatible ? [16:36] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) joined ##slackware. [16:36] fsck -Vr part_here [16:37] Dunno what parameter I'm missing, seems gtg. [16:37] iirc, didn't reiser have a long term 5% data loss, something with structures? [16:37] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:37] |CtrlAltCa| (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [16:37] admboom: no. [16:38] oh, think that was the non-synchronous unlinks [16:38] ...im still waiting for new ati catalyst... [16:38] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:39] blkdg (~blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:39] /dev/sdb7 has been mounted 182 times without being checked, check forced. [16:40] riza: how often do you mount it? :) [16:40] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:40] Very often. D: [16:41] I should turn automount off... [16:41] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:41] Calling get_bmap for block 0 [16:41] Aborted [16:41] :D [16:41] tommys_knockers (~sibb@212.183.140.32) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:41] But I'm a bit afraid. [16:41] filefrag doesn't like my reiser partition, it seems. [16:41] tune2fs -c 25 /dev/sdb7 [16:41] neonflux (~neonflux@ip67-152-80-231.z80-152-67.customer.algx.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:41] filefrag is an ext{2,3} util [16:42] So after 25 it will force one before it can be mounted? Nice.. nice.. [16:42] ria, yes, that'll fsck every 25 mounts. [16:42] I can't find any doc but why 25? [16:42] cause i like that number. [16:42] Seems like a purely arbitrary number. [16:42] Oh. [16:42] :D [16:42] and since it was my advice, i get to pick. [16:42] jaskorpe (jaskorpe@knuth.ping.uio.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:42] Action: riza gives mancha some soft baked chocolate chip cookies. [16:43] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [16:44] Mounted that many times, used that many times and error free! Yay! [16:44] andreas-- (~andy@unaffiliated/slacky) joined ##slackware. [16:44] I will plug in my 1tb drive very soon... [16:44] Action: riza rubs grubby fingers. [16:45] /dev/sdb9 has gone 216 days without being checked, check forced. [16:45] Testvgt (~fredoslac@80.10.46.45) joined ##slackware. [16:45] after 2 yrs of no fsck.. [16:45] depeche mode- its no good. [16:46] test [16:46] Test passed. [16:47] Testvgt (~fredoslac@80.10.46.45) left irc: Quit: used jmIrc [16:47] test quit [16:47] :> Hooray tewmten, you can read this. [16:47] tab fail [16:47] I have this reiserfs partition I never ran fsck on, nor defragged in 12 years. [16:48] I wonder how bad it is. [16:48] Very bad. D: [16:48] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:48] Why don't yuou go do it now? [16:48] I suppose I could move all the files from it, and move them back. [16:48] Nick change: |CtrlAltCa| -> CtrlAltCa [16:49] it seems to be the recommended way to do so with older reiserfs parititions. [16:49] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:50] also is there any reason I could and should use the color calibration software under slackware ? [16:50] thumbs, what version of reiser is that partition? [16:50] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7B5D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:50] admboom: let me see. [16:50] thumbs: how old is then the reiser file system if u have as drive with it 12 years? [16:50] Okay thank you so much, going to shut down, plugin 1tb, fsck, then have some fun, etc. [16:50] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [16:51] pupiteee: umm, it's a slackware 4.0 box. [16:52] kingbeowulf (~kingbeowu@c-71-59-193-120.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Landru! Guide us! [16:53] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.254.47.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:53] oldie :) [16:54] pupiteee: yeah. [16:55] righteous (~righteous@pool-72-95-110-253.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [16:55] oh my eggin G this slackware download is taking forever ga [16:56] try debian next, it's released on 9 dvds [16:56] use a better mirror [16:56] yikes... [16:56] thumbs, slack4 was 2.2.6 kernel eh? although, what are you running on that now? [16:56] i'll take the 43 cds thanks [16:56] admboom: stock! [16:57] mancha: thats got to be mostly miscellaneous unwanted packages though i imagine [16:57] thumbs, cheers! That was my first virsion, still have my walnut creek cdrom with 4.0 on it [16:57] version* [16:57] admboom: it's a SLOW box. I just booted it last week. [16:57] someone wants them otherwise they woulnd't be packaged, so unwanted? no. [16:58] I've still got the 3.5 walnut creek set - and if the wife hadn't cleaned out my floppy collection, I would still have the 3.5" floppies from 1994 [16:58] it just seems like a systems developer error. wouldn't make sense to have 9 dvds worth of packages to come with a distro stock like that. [16:58] alisonken1home, yea I don't have any floppies, those got tossed in my divorce grrr [16:58] righteous, remember, that dvd set includes the repositories as well, not just debian base [16:58] although, may have a backup on zip disks somewhere [16:59] admboom: all my floppies died after some time :( [16:59] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [16:59] alisonken1home: that should only be not excessive if they can gaurantee error-free-ness in the packages [16:59] with some degree of reason [16:59] floppies typically have a 1 to 1.5 year life unless refreshed. Less if you leave them close to the old-time crt monitors or a tv [17:00] righteous, they guarantee that the sources were not corrupted by the burning process, does that count? [17:00] alisonken1home: oh, I should have read them on a regular basis? [17:00] thumbs, refresh - which includes format and rewrite [17:00] god, 9 dvds. thats a 32gb system. i couldn't imagine ever needing, wanting, or being happy with that. [17:00] alisonken1home: ah, thanks. [17:01] 36, sorry my FPU runs on coffee and sleep, which i have had neither of [17:01] righteous a lot of that is the source code of the binaries they send you.... [17:01] dont we do that too mancha? [17:01] less binaries [17:01] except our repositories are just basic minimal system - not the entire universe [17:01] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.62.142) joined ##slackware. [17:01] of available software [17:02] i am just saying, its not a 9*3.5 [17:02] oh hey, anyone in here ever scambait? [17:02] also, how many people on here do you think have not gone outside the slack dvd for apps? [17:02] i bet 100% have added either from SBo, slacky.eu or their own makings [17:02] mancha: alienBOB [17:03] what? he even provides a 3rd party repo [17:03] mancha, that wasn't the question :) [17:03] im kidding lol [17:03] alienBOB does wonderful work for the slackware community. and he knows it, too. [17:03] Wtf [17:03] lol :) [17:04] righteous, so my point is when you compare slack's 1 dvd to debian's 9, it's a bit of apples and oranges... [17:04] mancha: eh, yeah. i was just surprised by the sheer volume [17:04] IrquiM (~irquim@118.84-234-151.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:05] not sure why, but i always associate debian with that old pc game, myst. [17:05] offtopic: people that maintain and develop linux or apps / parts earn any money? pat for example [17:05] is he rich? [17:05] Not at all [17:05] in a sense [17:06] being loved by the community is valuable. [17:06] s/loved/appreciated/ [17:06] should be, when cia uses your invention [17:06] Yeah but that does not buy you your daily meal... [17:06] not just the slackware community, either. I hear microsoft is cloning him. [17:06] alienBOB: oh, I know. [17:07] speaking of FUD, whatever happened to that microsoft pseudo-linux hybrid os everyone was talking about a year or two ago? [17:08] Wasn't that just finally adding a command line to windows? [17:08] it always had a command line [17:08] well, along with binaries to do administration [17:08] it always had that too [17:08] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [17:08] is that not windows 7? [17:08] and the power shell or whatever [17:09] You could add a branch to the forest on cli in w2k? [17:09] I figured it had to do with GDI becomming more optional than it ever has been. [17:09] raela: no windows 7 is even more dumbed down than any other windows ive ever used, i hated it. i couldnt find or do anything with it. [17:10] i ended up switching back to xp after about 7 months and thing was flying after that. [17:10] I've never used 7, but I've heard people go on about how amazing the power shell is [17:11] As if it was Microsoft's own invention? [17:11] Action: righteous takes a nap [17:11] I get calls on a daily basis from 7 users trying to use our app [17:11] windows 7 causes 90% of the support calls for me. [17:11] you all guys work in IT? [17:12] not me lol [17:13] not me either, [17:13] although lately ive considered making a living out of scambaiting but i cant find anything that says its not illegal. [17:14] i'd like that too [17:15] i figure if i can get four of those guys a month to pay a thou each thinking ill cash that magic lotto check after I trust them because the other checks cleared, ill be all set for a while. and then hang the 500k checks up on the wall [17:16] get em to send real money thinking they're being clever by setting up the kill. then the big fake check comes to me, a week later they get an email titled 'dear mugu:' [17:16] khem_ (~khem@britney.et2605.com) joined ##slackware. [17:16] i enabled telnet in my inetd [17:16] khem_: bad idea [17:16] somehow i cannot access it from other machines on my network [17:17] khem_: use ssh [17:17] while i can access sshd etc [17:17] i dont understand why? [17:17] righteous: yes i got your point [17:17] khem_: dont use telnet. [17:17] righteous: this is a school lab im doing to prove i know how to use stunnel [17:17] so imma stunnel telnet in my local network [17:17] but first i need to be able to access telnet [17:17] iptables? [17:17] this is on two virtual machines on my private network so not a big security issue [17:18] khem_, is it filtered? [17:18] dive: no ruleset enabled [17:18] can you telnet locally from same box? [17:18] awesome: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_vigilantism#Notable_examples [17:18] dive: yes i can telnet locally from the box i have the service [17:19] Azeotrope: ill check it out when i have a gui [17:19] it works perfectly fine [17:19] khem_, perhaps a vm setting then? [17:20] ea_suter (~easuter@ev2-84-90-183-245.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:21] righteous: lynks? [17:21] khem_, so telnet service is in a vm? [17:21] yes it is in a virtualbox [17:21] khem_, can you telnet from host locally too? [17:21] but i am able to access ssh to the other machine [17:21] can just telnet locally from the machine where i run the telnet service [17:22] not from my own machine or from the other VM [17:22] righteous, yeah the volume is quite shocking, which is why i mentioned it to start...when i heard 9 dvds i was yo dawg...that's a lot [17:23] vehn_z (~vehn_z@h62-133-183-91.dyn.bashtel.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:23] i also put ALL: ALL in hosts.allow now [17:24] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-242-000.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:24] sounds like something is blocking it [17:24] so hosts.allow might help [17:24] let's do some internet vigilantianism and identify the mossad killers from dubai. [17:24] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:24] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [17:24] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [17:25] khm, what does netstat -tna | grep :23 show? [17:25] khem_, checl hosts.deny too. I forget which order they run in but I think hosts.deny will be effected afterwards [17:25] lsof -i :23 [17:25] dive: there is no lines in hosts.deny [17:25] ok [17:26] lsof won't tell me what interface though [17:26] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:26] oh yeah [17:26] i am wondering if his telnet is only listening on localhost [17:26] dive: that 23 is lisening on 0.0.0.0 IPv4 [17:26] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [17:27] im also able to telnet to the time service from inetd listening on port 37 [17:27] ok, so its not just local. [17:27] IrquiM (~irquim@118.84-234-151.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] which means either it is firewalled or tcp wrappers are blocking [17:28] d_low (~d_low@unaffiliated/dlow/x-000000001) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:28] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [17:29] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-190-206.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:29] should inetd be restarted or something HUP'ed after editing hosts.allow ? [17:29] well [17:29] i killed the service and restarted [17:29] nevermind [17:29] i got to find some other service to stunnel [17:29] preferably a stand alone one [17:29] any ideas? [17:30] something that is easy to setup [17:30] khem_: You have a remote server you're tunneling through? [17:31] you're trying to ssl-wrap telnetd? [17:31] khem_, smtp server with ssl <- sendmail + stunnel [17:31] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-78-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:32] khem_, just a thought. I use sendmail + stunnel relay to my isp ssl smtp server. [17:33] jkwood: yes i want to tunnel to my other virtual machine [17:33] dive: now i dont understand really [17:33] You can set up a socks proxy with ssh -D [17:33] dive: you use stunnel to make your regular sendmail listen as a ssmtp on port 465 ? [17:33] jkwood: yes but that is not my assignment [17:34] brainvision (~brainvisi@95.238.47.2) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [17:34] khem_, no I use stunnel to relay sendmail to my ISP's SSL enabled smtp server [17:34] "As the assignment was so boring and void of creative umph, I have changed it a bit to be setting upi the following..." [17:34] IrquiM (~irquim@118.84-234-151.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:34] khem_, normally sendmail won't relay properly to it [17:35] use stunnel to provide https externally (forward to http local) [17:36] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.34) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [17:36] khem_: anything wrong with just turning on the httpd on both machines and imbedding some kind of java-chat? [17:36] andreas-- (andy@unaffiliated/slacky) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [17:37] https -> http sounds good [17:37] neonflux (~neonflux@ip67-152-80-241.z80-152-67.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [17:39] yeah [17:39] thanks for all the ideas and input guys [17:39] i got many windows open which keeps me distracted [17:40] so i have to part but you seem like a bunch of nice and helpful guys [17:40] so i will be back here for sure :) [17:40] thanks! [17:43] hmmm [17:44] would it be possible to run a ircd through stunnel? [17:44] alienBOB: could it be that your kdesdk 441 package is missing lokalize? [17:45] khem, sure [17:47] IrquiM (~irquim@118.84-234-151.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [17:47] shonudo (user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [17:49] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:49] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.66.128) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:51] i use stunnel to tunnel nntp to nntps [17:51] because ... i couldn't be bothered to set up pan decently [17:52] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: d ä_å b [17:52] SiegeX_iPh (~SiegeX@c-76-102-150-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:53] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:55] zaltekk (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) joined ##slackware. [17:56] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:00] schmack (~ghost@78.90.113.108) joined ##slackware. [18:00] the slack [18:02] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-186.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:02] is there a way to pull up a list of the last ips/hosts to login to a user? [18:02] SiegeX_iPh (~SiegeX@c-76-102-150-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Rooms " iPhone IRC Client " http://www.roomsapp.mobi [18:03] SiegeX_iPh (~SiegeX@c-76-102-150-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:03] last [18:04] oh, cvool. thanks [18:04] np :> [18:04] schmack (~ghost@78.90.113.108) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:04] dieter- (~dieter@84-23-67-251.blue.kundencontroller.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:05] khem_ (khem@britney.et2605.com) left ##slackware. [18:06] dieter- (~dieter@84-23-67-251.blue.kundencontroller.de) joined ##slackware. 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[18:19] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [18:20] CiSCO` (~inferno@195.112.221.105) joined ##slackware. [18:21] hi guys [18:21] i make slackpkg upgrade-all then i went out the home i came back and found the laptop is powerd off so i turned it on and loaded slack when the system is starting i got this error [18:21] no filesystem could mount root,tried: romfs [18:21] Channel flood from CiSCO` -- kicking [18:21] kernel panic - not syncing: vfs: unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(8.3) [18:21] CiSCO` kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [18:21] CiSCO` (~inferno@195.112.221.105) joined ##slackware. [18:22] make an initrd with the required modules for your root filesystem [18:22] goarilla am NEW totaly new [18:22] some one tould me to run a live CD [18:22] and i have ubunto [18:22] ext3 is not build inside the kernel but as a module since 13 iirc [18:22] 12* [18:23] i run it and he went off now am stuck [18:23] :| [18:23] ok then somebody else will have to help since im hitting the sack [18:23] good night fellas [18:24] CtrlAltCa: I have created a SlackBuild for hunspell, it'll be added nect KDE4.4.x I will build [18:24] awesome :) [18:25] nvision_ (~nvision@g225048150.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [18:26] alienBOB: While you're here, perhaps you would consider adding seamonkey-solibs to your compat packages? It's a very common dep among e.g. games. [18:26] eeeeK, any of you, build slack-gnome [18:26] any help :| [18:27] CiSCO`: dont do unattended upgrades [18:27] at, http://gnomeslackbuild.org/ [18:27] ? [18:27] buzzin: /j #gsb [18:27] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427609.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [18:27] ? what ' [18:28] CiSCO`, it may be that you need to run lilo if there was a kernel upgrade. If so mount root partition, chroot to it and run lilo [18:28] buzzin: join the #gsb channel and ask them [18:28] ummm, ok [18:28] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427609.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:28] CiSCO`, no pm's please [18:28] jkwood: hi! yes, that would be a good addition I guess [18:28] whatever [18:29] nvision (~nvision@g225054249.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:29] dive ok i when the OS is starting i have this error [18:29] and am totaly new [18:29] i just installed slack yeterday [18:29] libnss3.so is ever-popular, lol. [18:29] CiSCO`: what version of Slackware [18:29] 13 [18:30] And... 32bit or a 64bit version of 13.0?//////////////// [18:30] 32 [18:30] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:30] alienBOB: Your fence is falling voer. [18:30] jkwood: wireless lag in a VNC session causes this [18:30] hmmm, 64 bit v.13 [18:30] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:31] CiSCO`: do you remember what URL you uncommented in the /etc/slackpkg/mirrors file? [18:31] l00t (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.67.216) joined ##slackware. [18:31] 1st one [18:31] On the other hand, if you installed Slackware yesterday, it may be easier for you to just re-install from scratch [18:32] alice_ (~alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: [18:32] alice_ (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:32] Well at least the 1st mirror in the mirrors file is a 32bit mirror, so that is no issue. I think your laptop powered off prematurely [18:32] does, 64 bit ver, accept infinity of ram ? [18:33] unlike 32 bit ver [18:33] I want infinte RAM [18:33] No infinity [18:33] i have never tried installing a 64 bit distro [18:34] It's no different than installing a 32bit distro [18:34] Until you try to run a 32bit software... [18:34] buzzin: 64 linux can manage more memory than you have [18:34] trU, i was asking about ream [18:34] ram * [18:34] yeah [18:34] Action: oxiredo_ro lala [18:34] you can haz an address space 2^64 bits big [18:34] damn, & i have more ram on this machine also [18:35] as opposed to 32-bit machines which can only handle the square root of that size [18:35] Action: oxiredo_ro dani1 sewww [18:36] hmmm,,,,, if slackware offers a gnome install next release i'll goto 64 bit [18:36] CiSCO` (~inferno@195.112.221.105) left irc: Quit: ¤{Wi§e} §ç®îpt¤ ßÿ {Wi§e} - §y§-error [18:37] that's very unlikely [18:37] i;ll stay with what i have on my ver 13 [18:37] ooh & is that [18:37] why* [18:37] no pam in slack and gnome depends on it [18:38] No gnome in Slackware any more. Not in future either [18:38] i can't believe slackware doesn't have { gnome } as default [18:38] Believe it [18:38] lame [18:38] buzzin: get used to it [18:38] Skywise: we (#gsb) build GNOME w/out pam, btw. [18:38] gnome required a lot of effort. more than it's worth it [18:38] dude, i'm not into kde, [18:38] ananke: indeed :) [18:39] There is XFCE too [18:39] i do however like fluxbox [18:39] buzzin: false logic. [18:39] And gnomeslackbuild [18:39] yeah gnomeslackbuild [18:39] excellent [18:39] not to into xfc either [18:39] buzzin: just because there is no gnome, doesn't mean you have to use/like/care about kde [18:39] alienBOB: using gnome btw? [18:40] treu !!!!! [18:40] true [18:40] Action: dive uses fluxbox and is happy [18:40] i just don't care for it [18:40] buzzin: and how is that related to gnome? [18:40] Action: Skywise uses bash and is happy [18:40] { kde } that is [18:41] Skywise, you in console then? [18:41] twm is all you need xD [18:41] dude, it a choice & i don't care for kde never have [18:41] typically [18:41] buzzin: again, and what does that have to do with gnome? [18:41] maginot (~maginot@189.4.104.148) joined ##slackware. [18:42] dolpin is nice when I need to find windows shares [18:42] ??? it has nothing to do with, ( gnome ) [18:43] Action: raela hits Camarade_Tux over the head with fluxbox [18:43] buzzin: exactly. so why do you suddenly want to share that? [18:43] Camarade_Tux: no, I used GSB for a while, some years ago, but I decided gnome had taken a wrong turn somewhere. KDE suits me better [18:43] I really don't like kde 4.. whichever is stock slack 13 [18:44] buzzin: you went from 'slackware doesn't have gnome, lame' to 'dude, i'm not into kde'. if you don't see the disconnect here, that's a shame [18:44] Lufbery_jaa (~Drew@pool-72-70-147-125.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:44] buzzin: Several Slackware users don't use KDE. It's in Slackware, but you don't have to choose to install it (you can even deselect the whole package set.) [18:45] how many distros have both gnome and kde now? [18:45] i shared it cause i was saying i can't believe slackware does'nt release gnome in there distro [18:45] dive: suse is one. not sure if there are many others [18:45] alienBOB: ah, ok, cause someone had seen you as a GSB fan (on facebook I guess) and I was wondering :-) [18:45] dive: It's hard to count. For example, Kubuntu doesn't really count because they have the worst KDE desktop in the universe. [18:45] try building it and you'll soon see why [18:45] weather i like or use kde which i don't like means nothing [18:45] ananke: centos does [18:46] ananke, not many I would think [18:46] dive: indeed [18:46] Camarade_Tux: I am a GSB fan yes, because I admire what they do - but I don't use it myself [18:46] i'll build gsb [18:46] buzzin: you don't have to build it - there are packages. [18:46] or continue to use fluxbox or xfce [18:46] ???? huh [18:46] for gsb [18:46] buzzin: you've installed slackware and you didn't notice lack of gnome? [18:47] buzzin: yes. do your research and you'll see. [18:47] hahaha yeah [18:47] i know that & have know that for years [18:47] alienBOB: thanks for the nod :) [18:47] psYcker (~psYcker@201.156.108.196) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [18:47] brainvision (~brainvisi@95.238.47.2) joined ##slackware. [18:47] alienBOB: that's what I had imagined since I didn't remember you using gnome [18:47] anyway, time to go to bed I guess [18:47] dive: from what i understand suse tries to put equal efforts into both kde and gnome, so neither is particularly favored over the other [18:48] i even used zenwalk when they offered , gnome in ver 6.0 and keep coming back to Slackware [18:48] opensuse was a really nice kde distro last time I used it (was kde3) [18:49] I'll just stay with [ slackware ] if they offer a gnome install or not [18:49] Camarade_Tux: 11.1 was a bit painful with an early kde 4, while 11.2 is definitely much better after kde 4.2/3 [18:49] interesting way to [ emphasize ] words [18:50] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:50] i'll try to install the [ gnomeslackbuild ] v2.26.3 [18:50] ** [18:50] [ dude ] [ like ] [ that ] [ is ] [ so ] [ cool ] [18:51] you talking to me ? [18:51] s/cool/extreeme [18:51] a=hole [18:51] ananke: it reminds me of someone who speaks a foreign language then randomly says something in english, like a building name [18:51] don't bash me [18:51] Nick change: e01 -> e01|afk [18:52] raela: i sometimes wonder what's the real root cause of it [18:52] zenwalk != slackware... [18:52] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [18:53] buzzin: i'm admiring your peculiar style of written communication [18:53] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:53] whatever man screw you [18:53] ananke: he has also used ( ) and { } [18:54] mancha, in truth, intel 32 bits processors can handle more than 2^32 bytes of ram because of PAE, the thing is that the address space of every single process is of 2^32 bytes [18:54] shouldn't it be more like, $wm['gnomeslackbuild']; ? [18:55] raela: there was this one kid in ##linux over a course of a couple of weeks. he originally claimed to be writing a book, while everything he was asking about seemed like homework. anyway, he'd write the word 'humble' instead of 'I'. [18:55] lol [18:55] is there an ncurses aim client stock in slack? [18:55] finch [18:55] righteous, finch [18:56] Lufbery_jaa (~Drew@pool-72-70-147-125.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:56] yeeeeah finch [18:56] ananke: oh wow.. that'd be irritating [18:56] its not too smart when its window gets resized though :-/ [18:56] I've used naim before, but I don't think that's stock slack [18:56] alt+l redraws it [18:56] ananke, what a waste of key strokes... humble think [18:56] raela, finch is part of pidgin [18:57] ^^ fhobia [18:57] thanks trhodes [18:57] dive: yeah I know. I think I used naim before pidgin got finch [18:57] k [18:57] nachox: what was most interesting was that he insisted it was the correct way. very odd individual [18:58] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:58] brainvision (~brainvisi@95.238.47.2) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [18:58] buzzin: and you can stop messaging me. i was hoping that lack of reply would give you a hint that i'm not interested in talking to you in private [18:58] would have made an interesting book though :-) [18:58] a long one [18:59] I doubt I would've made it through a page [18:59] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:00] it would certainly be a new way to look at punctuation :) [19:01] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.196) joined ##slackware. [19:01] IrquiM (~irquim@118.84-234-151.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:01] ananke , screw you [19:02] don't you hate when you have all these spare screws sitting around ? [19:03] buzzin: thanks for learning the jargon. it's a bit intimidating when you're first introduced to the buzzwords. don't let these guys get ya down. [19:03] fhobia, ananke probably has overflowed his ignore list already :P [19:03] haha [19:06] nachox: lol, probably. [19:07] psYcker (~psYcker@201.156.108.196) joined ##slackware. [19:08] Free_Bullets (Free_Bulle@75.137.118.82) joined ##slackware. [19:12] psYcker (~psYcker@201.156.108.196) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:14] brainvision (~brainvisi@95.238.47.2) joined ##slackware. [19:16] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [19:16] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:16] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Client Quit [19:17] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [19:17] unreal, i don't need someone bashing me for giving my ideas on a subject. Weather or not it's the opinion of anyone makes no difference, the fact that someone here decided to bash me for my comments means nothing to me. This channel like all other is a place for people to speak there word and discuss subjects without someone putting them down on there ideas and opinions [19:17] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [19:17] IrquiM (~irquim@118.84-234-151.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [19:18] whether [19:19] unless you mean heat [19:19] buzzin: im pretty sure they were just giving you crap for [ putting words in brackets while youre learning them ]. [19:20] which is actually a {very positive} way to become comfortable with new [jargon]. [19:20] heh [19:20] righteous: actually, I just find it weird in general. I didn't associate it with the new terms [19:21] raela: thats because you're not very smart. [19:21] righteous: ah, well. that can't be helped [19:21] Action: righteous gives raela a hug [19:21] {{raela}} [19:21] [awwwww] [19:21] indeed. placing 'gnome', which he already knows, in brackets certainly indicates desire to memorize that new word. [19:21] [I'm] [so] [confused] [,] [in] [fact]. [19:21] I [ think ] it is unnecessary to ( add ) them to any wortd [19:21] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-93-147.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:22] [ emphasis ] { on } {{ gnome }} [19:22] lol [19:22] ananke: i think you greatly undervalue the practice of [wrote]. [19:22] this ( [ { slackware } ] ) thing is new to me [19:22] it was [19:23] i think it's < time > to move beyond the typical bracketing system. time to < revolutionalize > it [19:23] man, all of you have syntax errors... where are you ';' ????? :P [19:23] s/you/your/ [19:23] ohhh < snap > !! I see what ; you ; did there [19:23] agentc0re: Gross, Java. [19:23] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [19:24] and, lets face it, some of you guys turn into bonafide assholes when newbies come around and the channel is pretty quick to home in on the strange things newbies do, whether its to their systems, or jargon, or really anything that would indicate that they're new to linux in general. a little insight into 'why' someone says or does something you wouldn't do goes a long way guys, give him a break, let him cool off. [19:24] ; sorry ; agent ; c0re ; I ; will ; fix ; that ; now ;; [19:24] righteous: so what's the insight of why he's doing it? [19:24] righteous, I agree with that totally. [19:25] omg, if your subjecting i'm a newbie. Go to hell all of you [19:25] jkwood: meh... php. ;) it's what i've been learning lately. [19:25] hahah - good try [19:25] righteous: see what you did there? you called him a newbie and offended him. good job. [19:25] oh. uhm, yeah, { foot in mouth } and [proceed]. [19:26] lol [19:26] haha, righteous.. nice [19:26] buzzin, you are _new_ to this channel :-) [19:26] buzzin: ok, in that case buzzin you're a righteous dipshit. [19:26] ananke, your truly a dick [19:26] he should know theres only 1 acceptable way to communicate on irc [19:26] s/your/you're/ [19:26] buzzin: enough with the name calling. [19:27] me ?? look up [19:27] Action: chipster looks at skip troweled ceiling [19:27] <-- has seniority over you, and thats really saying something. [19:28] buzzin: it's easy to see. i haven't called you a single derogatory name. _yet_. [19:28] ^^^ [19:28] i think the use of names is tangental to the problem of bashing [19:28] thank you, all for welcoming me to this channel [19:29] both are disrespectful and its facetious to rate one more permissible then another [19:29] buzzin, my cousin, you've got a tizzie in your hizzie, muzzlin, the cuddlin', my little dumplin mannnn.... [19:29] Action: righteous sings and whistles [19:29] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-78-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:29] heh [19:29] Action: fhobia gets some popcorn and hopes the show is not already over [19:29] I'm trying to use a new font, I downloaded it and mved it to /usr/share/fonts/ttf and then did fc-cache. However, when I go to xfces terminal to try and use it, it does not show up, what step am I missing? [19:30] Reticenti: which font? [19:30] fiyawerx (fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:30] Droid Sans Mono (w/ slashed zero) sahk0 [19:30] Reticenti: does 'fc-list' show it? [19:30] hammy [19:30] ananke: yes [19:30] is that even a console font? [19:30] then i have no clue :) [19:31] maybe you cant use it there [19:31] does it show up elsewhere? [19:31] Reticenti, maybe you neede to restart xfce [19:31] dive: hmm, let me try that [19:31] brb [19:31] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [19:32] ah, yeah, i just had to restart xfce :) [19:32] thanks [19:33] np [19:33] the droid fonts are indeed nice [19:33] they look like terminus [19:33] yeah [19:34] and a little like andale mono [19:37] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:39] holy god this slackware iso has been downloading for almost 12 hours now [19:39] and evena t 9pt, it looks nice [19:39] and its at 56% [19:39] wow, upgrade from 2600 baud? [19:39] righteous: lol, on the dial up? [19:40] the whole time its been at 100-300/kbps [19:40] i think its dropping when m not looking [19:40] righteous: you could be having a ton of nic errors and so it's having to redownload those parts until the crc checks good. [19:40] Action: agentc0re nods [19:41] slackware.mirrors.tds.net [19:41] but how would i check for nic errors? [19:41] righteous: use ethtool and check the errors. [19:42] ifconfig also shows errors. ethtool, depending on the driver, can show the different kind of errors. [19:44] i should be able to use wget -c in the target file's directory on another mirror to finish downloading from another mirror, right? [19:44] well it might not be the mirror, it might be you or your isp. [19:45] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:46] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-181-253.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:46] i've noticed like half the mirrors no longer have the isos, btw [19:46] http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/ [19:47] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.107.54) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:47] 1Gb pipe [19:47] heya,folks [19:47] y0 [19:47] y0 agentc0re [19:49] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.86.63) joined ##slackware. [19:49] it could very well be my isp [19:49] i havent paid the bill [19:50] they're probably doing that thing where they flip teh switch a few times before they shut it off [19:55] linuxguy (~linuxguy@5ad5ef10.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [19:56] Hi, everytime i install slackware I get a :> prompt, am I doing something wrong here please?..I was expecting it to boot up to KDE4 login screen [19:56] d_low (~d_low@unaffiliated/dlow/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [19:57] :>? that looks like dos lol [19:57] linuxguy, by default, slackware starts run level 3 (text-mode) [19:57] yes i know, just get a black screen saying something like boot:> [19:58] lilo error [19:58] linuxguy: hit enter? [19:58] just type 'Linux' into it [19:58] thrice so what do I do to get slackware running, thanks [19:58] push enter [19:58] just linux......ive never thought of thatm thought it might be startx or something [19:59] it's hard to tell from your description if you are at the lilo prompt, or things have booted ? do you see a slackware logo? [19:59] linuxguy: startx is if you get to a login prompt and log in [19:59] after the kernel boots, log-in as root, add your user (adduser command). Then, log-in as that user and run "startx" to launch kde [20:00] no all I see is this a black screen, doing all its hardware bits and then a blank screen and maybe skavkware:> or boot:> [20:01] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:01] linuxguy: boot it up then hit enter twice when you see a prompt [20:01] linuxguy: if it asks for a password, you're good to go and login as root [20:01] hi; so i'm making a new xfs part and I need advice on what options to use beside -L [20:01] linuxguy, are you in the install disk? [20:02] dive, no [20:02] jkwood: seamonkey-solibs changes uploaded [20:02] you should have a login prompt then [20:03] alienBOB: Thanks. =) [20:03] login as root and use whatever password you gave during install [20:03] raela, thanks, im going to install slackware again ......one laaast thing regarding nvidia drivers......are they available, and does compiz work to? [20:06] linuxguy: yep, nvidia drivers work [20:06] xfs doesnt make lost+found? [20:07] linuxguy: I don't use compiz myself, but I believe others do [20:07] nvision_ (~nvision@g225048150.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:10] goarilla (~goarilla@246.91-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:10] shyko (~shyko@201-76-73-28.flash.tv.br) joined ##slackware. [20:10] shyko (~shyko@201-76-73-28.flash.tv.br) left irc: Changing host [20:10] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [20:11] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Client Quit [20:12] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [20:13] goarilla (~goarilla@24.70-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [20:15] MrJackson (~MrJackson@173-86-56-126.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [20:15] linuxguy: you dont need to reinstall [20:16] type the word (case senstive and without quotes): 'Linux', literally type it and press enter. [20:16] righteous: I think hitting enter goes to default.. sister rebooted my laptop earlier and hit random stuff, but I just booted it from the boot: prompt without doing Linux [20:17] strange [20:17] he's not telling us something about his error. [20:17] Im going to install slackware now on this pc, I have fallback knoppix live dvd if i have probs so i can get back here, thanks for all your helps and advice :) [20:18] righteous: well, can't always help when you don't know what's going on [20:18] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:19] brb :) [20:19] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-56-126.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:19] linuxguy (~linuxguy@5ad5ef10.bb.sky.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:19] righteous: who knows what his prompt actually said.. since he said boot: or slackware: or something [20:22] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:23] CaptChron (~CaptChron@host-72-174-13-61.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net) joined ##slackware. [20:23] hello all , im using slackware-13 ,with the "vlc-1.0.5-i486-1alien" package and it seg faults with a "plugins-04041e.dat" error , it cant read or make one ? here's vlc-vvv output http://pastebin.com/jPZqK820 [20:23] any ideas? [20:25] CaptChron, what file format were you trying to open? [20:25] none it wont fire up at all [20:27] guys, i'm shopping for a 32" full hd lcd, and i'm deciding between a philips model and a samsung one. philips 32PFL5604/77 or Samsung LN-32B550, any advice? [20:27] which package handles cache so i can reinstall that ? [20:28] CaptChron, when you gdb vlc..does it give more info of that segfault? [20:28] seems to be a Cache Directory Tagging error? [20:29] sry. unfamiliar with gdb [20:30] (no debugging symbols found) [20:30] CaptChron, open a terminal...type gdb vlc...run...quit [20:31] CaptChron: try running "vlc -vvv --reset-plugins-cache" [20:32] same [20:33] am0rphis (~zxzxz@88.155.70.77) joined ##slackware. [20:33] gave a seg fault after it reset the .dat [20:33] phrag (~phrag@79-64-249-239.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:34] mancha (mancha@DOMINIA.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. [20:34] mancha (mancha@DOMINIA.MIT.EDU) left irc: Client Quit [20:35] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [20:35] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Read error: No route to host [20:35] idk i guess ill just use mplayer thanks tho [20:35] phrag (~phrag@79-64-239-231.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [20:41] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [20:42] what package handles Cache Directory Tagging in slackware ? [20:43] forgive me; if that's a stupid question , just curious , does it come with the program like vlc or is it a system deal or both lol idk cause my .cache with vlc seems to be the problem [20:44] if it is a vlc cache file then vlc [20:44] [20:44] k kewl ty [20:45] frk (~jcn@189.58.209.174.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:45] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:47] frk (~jcn@189.58.209.174.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [20:47] frk (~jcn@189.58.209.174.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:48] will vlc segfault without the dvd dependencies? [20:54] how would i go about doing that [20:54] with a command ? [20:55] or recompile/package it [21:00] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [21:01] sluttyduck (~slut@66.42.244.31) joined ##slackware. [21:03] doing what? 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[21:17] mancha, Im using slackware 13 here [21:17] oh ok - gotcha [21:18] only took half hr to install :) [21:20] linuxguy: get an SSD and be amazed [21:21] a , ssd drive would be great for a boot drive [21:21] sec0nd (~second@unaffiliated/sec0nd) left irc: Disconnected by services [21:22] :0 [21:22] Apparently a lot of RAID cards have issues, since they tend to expect that they function faster than their attached storage devices [21:22] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:23] huh? what issues? [21:24] Lemme see if I can find the article again [21:27] Looks like I misremembered. It's not so much that there are data issues as much as the RAID cards not being fast enough for even three SSD:s, so you're not getting the maximum throughput. http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/03/06/1650232 [21:27] Can't believe everything you read. [21:28] CaptainPickles (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-cwztajomefxprgiq) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:28] veritos, what is an SSD please? [21:28] linuxguy: solid state disk. [21:29] veritos, ah I see, I have heard of those [21:30] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [21:30] veritos: it says 'three fastest ssds'. not to mention, that having ssds that fast doesn't pose any actual issues with raid controllers [21:30] I cant find much info on google about installing nvidia drivers :( [21:30] ananke: I misremembered. I thought that there existed some data integrity issues too. [21:30] it simply means you can't take advantage of the full speed [21:36] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [21:36] on the subject of raid, i wonder when btrfs will reach a stage where on-disk format will be finalized [21:38] raid and ssd don't go together because raid wants to write to specific sectors which defeats the wear leveling an error correction the ssd uses natively [21:39] Ooh, they've got SSD:s that go straight over PCIe and have their own integrated RAID cards. Shiny. And spendy (USD3300 for an 80GB). [21:40] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:40] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:41] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:41] can someone point me to an easy to understamd link to install nvidia drivers thanks :) [21:42] linuxguy: go here http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html [21:42] Pick the newest one in your architecture [21:42] Download the file (it's a .bin) [21:43] chmod +x the-filename.bin [21:43] As root, run ./the-filename.bin [21:43] If you need an older version, then the program will complain and tell you which older version to use. [21:43] veritos, thanks [21:44] Free_Bullets (Free_Bulle@75.137.118.82) left irc: [21:44] I wish that there was a way to deploy that driver on all of the workstations at my site instead of doing it individually. [21:44] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:45] slackbuilds.org + make a package [21:45] install said package on workstations [21:46] thrice`: it's RHEL, not slackware :( [21:46] i'm more bitching than anything else [21:47] well, i could always make a slackware package and `tar xvzpCf /` it on all the systems [21:47] veritos: doesn't nvidia provide precompiled packages for rhel? [21:47] ananke: don't believe so. even less likely that they do it for the outdated RHEL 4. [21:48] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [21:48] that sucks. they seem to keep up quite well with packages for desktop oriented distros [21:48] ananke: just for the SUSE:s, it looks like [21:49] and their binary adds stuff to the RPM database; it just doesn't come as an RPM [21:49] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:50] that would explain why i assumed availability of those other drivers [21:52] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. 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[21:53] trhodes: have you tried the irssi window manager for finch? it solved my problem where after my tiling wm resized the window all the chat windows were shrunk and had to be manually resized [21:53] no, sounds cool :) [21:53] me reconnecting from screen does that a lot [21:53] [general] [21:54] wm = /usr/lib/gnt/irssi.so [21:54] :-) in my .gntrc [21:54] sweet, thanks :) [21:56] i was actually considering bitlbee + irssi because of that, but now I think I may just hang onto finch a little longer [21:58] veritos, ive got the nvidia driver and done a cmod +x as root but i dont know what to do next thanks [21:58] trhodes: :-D [21:59] linuxguy: run './filename.bin' [21:59] (as root)_ [21:59] it should bring up a little window that resembles the slackware installer [22:00] veritos, yers got that but it says im still running x, do i use telinit 3 now? [22:01] linuxguy: oh, right. yes, telinit 3. [22:01] then you can run it. [22:01] ok thanks brb [22:02] linuxguy (~linuxguy@5ad5ef10.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:02] ^ GNU screen is your friend, kids [22:03] yes, it makes console pastebins doable, and other weird feats [22:03] oh yeah, i need to ls colors to show up properly in screen [22:03] feats of strength? [22:03] i'm actually running screen within screen right now :P [22:04] detaching the inner screen is kinda tricky [22:04] and can it be used for festivus? [22:04] naw, i'm used to it [22:04] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-95-109.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] for a newbie it is tricky [22:04] mancha: C-a a a a a a a (...) d [22:04] ctrl+a to go to the beginning of the line is lame though [22:04] I smell an Emacs user. [22:04] nah, thats standard [22:04] readline :) [22:04] ctrl-a for start ctrl-e for end [22:05] can't change that now [22:05] i know, only kidding around [22:05] yeah besides that was only 1 chord an you can't do anything in emacs with just 1 chord [22:05] i heard that ff is gonna skip 3.6.1 and go to 3.6.2 in a week or so [22:05] biker (~biker@201.130.125.15.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [22:06] that will make it more better [22:06] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:06] oh, neat tidbit: i just found out that a gnt hacker how is screen maintainer (Sadrul) [22:06] skipping minors always makes me chuckle [22:07] biker (~biker@201.130.125.15.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:07] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [22:07] hmm LS_OPTIONS='--color=auto' doesn't work for me :-/ [22:08] xfce4-notifyd is hideous. [22:08] fhobia: what's your TERM set to ? [22:08] screen [22:08] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@99.37.244.243) joined ##slackware. [22:08] err i see now people are doing "alias ls='ls $LS_OPTIONS' [22:08] i thought ls checked that environment variable, but i guess not [22:08] yeah, i think coreutils does that [22:09] That's set by /etc/profile, but screen doesn't give you login shells by default [22:09] veritos: ? [22:10] linuxguy (~linuxguy@5ad5ef10.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [22:10] so all your colors and stuff aren't sourced [22:10] fhobia: setting that alias for ls is done in /etc/profile, but /etc/profile is only sourced in login shells. [22:10] screen and most X terminals don't give you login shells. [22:10] ok, but i just did LS_OPTIONS=... right in the terminal [22:10] linuxguy: success? [22:10] and then did a subsequent ls and it didn't pick it up [22:11] er, not /etc/profile but /etc/profile.d/coreutils-dircolors.sh [22:11] fhobia: what's your PS1 looking like ? [22:11] from inside screen, try: ls -F -b -T 0 --color=auto [22:11] oh dear oh dear, this is not good at all, only get 640x480 resoultion even from the nvidia settings and i used correct driver for my 1gb nvidia fx9600gt card :( [22:11] %{$fg[$FG_COLOR]%}%{$bg[$BG_COLOR]%}%#%{$reset_color%} [22:11] i'm using zsh [22:11] Action: fhobia gotta goto dinner [22:12] (i use zsh too, it's startup is different) [22:12] *its [22:13] veritos, at the moment i would say a partial success because of my desktop size here [22:14] linuxguy: did you let it run nvidia-xconfig, or run it yourself? [22:14] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:15] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:16] matt0 (~vzibhga@202.124.72.4) joined ##slackware. [22:18] hi [22:18] heyo [22:21] does a new slackware get released every year? [22:21] matt0: it gets released when pat says it's ready. [22:22] you can use the 'current' form to test out what it looks like right now and help fix bugs. [22:22] but there's no defined schedule. [22:22] so, no then. [22:22] correct [22:22] it's *usually* about every 6-8 months, but that's again not set in stone. [22:23] ok. i do use current btw [22:25] matt0 (~vzibhga@202.124.72.4) left irc: Quit: Virca 1.1.20 [22:26] just keep in mind -current is not slackware-stable [22:26] hba (~hba@187.132.191.113) joined ##slackware. [22:27] veritos, it asked me if i wanted to use nvidia-xconfig i used the tab ley to say yes [22:28] but ive just done it again and it says new config installed........brb [22:28] linuxguy (~linuxguy@5ad5ef10.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:28] briareus_ (~briareus@65.103.203.33) joined ##slackware. [22:28] briareus_ (~briareus@65.103.203.33) left irc: Changing host [22:28] briareus_ (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [22:29] veritos (koenig@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [22:30] Nick change: briareus_ -> briareus [22:32] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:32] linuxguy (~linuxguy@5ad5ef10.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [22:34] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-14.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [22:35] veritos any ideas whats wrong please? [22:37] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [22:40] Can anyone tell me whats wrong with my desktop size please?..its a max 640x480 :( [22:41] could be that the drivers weren't installed correctly [22:41] linuxguy: look at nvidia-settings [22:41] what graphics card do you have? [22:42] true, need to adjust Nvidia setting [22:43] nachox, I have, theres no adjustment at all, I have an nvidia 9500gt card 1gb version [22:43] linuxguy: pastebin your xorg.conf [22:44] agentc0re, ok..........one sec [22:44] Nvidia X server setting, x server dispaly configuration [22:44] then resolution. [22:44] lsmod, is the nvidia module loaded? [22:45] ? did he install the driver [22:47] Im trying to use nano so i can copy the xorg file but i cant scroll down to the end [22:47] linuxguy: do you know GNU screen at all ? [22:48] (or tmux) [22:49] Esc-/ [22:49] i didn't realize nano was still used :) [22:49] people got tired of having to install pine i guess [22:50] mancha: what do you have in mind ? (he's trying to pastebin without X) [22:50] the house passes healthcare [22:50] oh i though he just needed the nano command to go to the file's end. [22:50] what's the issue trhodes? [22:51] he wants to pastebin the whole thing, i thought maybe you knew of a better way than GNU screen's copy mode (or even tmux) [22:51] isn't there a cli thing to pastebin? pastebinit? [22:51] http://www.stgraber.org/category/pastebinit [22:51] yeah, but can he install it ? [22:51] ahh cool [22:52] thats python, thwere are a few bash scripts out there that do similar [22:52] and some zsh magic too [22:52] on default slack install, i just did screen + lynx :P (not ideal) [22:52] (to pastebin) [22:53] hrm, I thought I could just cat the file and paste using links, but I could be wrong [22:53] a few other cli pastebin utils for CLI, http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=70596 [22:53] raela: using gpm / selection ? [22:54] trhodes: yep [22:54] http://sprunge.us/ [22:54] i default to no gpm mouse in cli - i don't like it [22:54] trhodes, i dont know GNU screen sorry [22:54] raela: you no doubt can do it that way, i'm just fat-fingered [22:55] trhodes: ah, okay :P [22:55] mancha: what? I love gpm [22:55] i hate it, that solid block pisses me off :) [22:55] i think it's OK for lil' stuff [22:55] linuxguy: do, "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us" minus the quotes [22:56] agentc0re: awesome :) [22:56] trhodes: ya, this is getting bookmarked. [22:56] mancha: goes away when you type any onlyh appears when you move the mouse! at least here :P [22:58] ok i used dbus-launch kwrite now and heres the xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/ierTp4f2 [22:59] lol, all that work to say "Looks fine." :D. do what nachox said a few lines up. lsmod for nvidia [22:59] linuxguy: ^^ [23:02] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-181-253.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:02] (crap, i forgot he just had a tiny res. not a lack of X... oh well, i should have paid attention) [23:03] agentc0re, have just done that and i couldnt see anything hapen [23:03] linuxguy: what did you type? [23:03] I don't use gpm as it causes issues with vim and links that run in an xterm. Those apps hang until I stop gpm. [23:03] agentc0re, i just copied /pasted minus the quotes as root [23:04] linuxguy: better yet, if you typed "lsmod for nvidia" that is wrong. type "lsmod".... OH the cat up there... it should spit out a URL.. it did for me. doesn't matter you got me your xorg config. [23:04] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-181-253.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] agentc0re, lsmod give me a long list of whats in the box [23:06] lsmod | grep nvidia [23:06] linuxguy: one other thing you can try to do after seeing if the nvidia module is loaded is, once you startX, look and see if it's loaded then. Also do a "sudo nvidia-settings" and check to see if you have any options to change your resolution [23:06] size. doing a "xrandr" should also report back sizes you can use. [23:07] lol a max of 640x480! [23:07] gm152: is your gpm perhaps acting as a repeater for X ? [23:08] linuxguy, what does lsmod | grep nvidia return? [23:09] linuxguy: not sure what type of monitor you have. horizsync might be wrong which could cause problems in detecting your resolution i believe. [23:09] nvidia 9936196 38 [23:09] agpgart 29256 1 nvidia [23:09] is what i get back [23:10] nvidia-xconfig [23:10] Im using a I think 19inch tft monitor [23:10] trhodes: I do not believe it is. The behaviour doesn't happen right away. I'd launch vi four or five times and I know I have to disable gpm when vi (or links) does not respond. [23:10] >>as in Im unsure of the screen size not type [23:11] linuxguy: model #? [23:13] biker (~biker@201.130.125.15.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [23:14] adupuis (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:14] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:14] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:17] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@99.37.244.243) left irc: Quit: Erp. So that's what kill %1 does! [23:18] anyone know what sort of time frame sata III hardware will be shipped? [23:20] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:21] frk (~jcn@189.58.209.174.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:23] oh its out now, prices are crazy tho [23:23] agentc0re, it just a brandedd model, Medion......I can tell you that then opengl screensavers work fine to its just this horrible screen size :( [23:24] $500 for 128gb sata III [23:24] ssd [23:26] wasn't too long ago that a 32gb ssd cost more than that [23:26] yeah, i didn't buy 'em either [23:27] agentc0re, I think you might have something there with horizsync its this and i think its a bit low HorizSync 28.0 - 33.0 [23:27] VertRefresh 43.0 - 72.0 [23:27] 150 bucks gets me 1tr gb sata 2 [23:29] yeah, i think i'll get 3 of those in a 3 dish hot swap enclosure and put them in a raid 1 [23:29] er 3 disk [23:30] because i want 2 copies to reconstruct from when i lose a tb [23:32] agentc0re, ?? [23:33] pg72 (~paul@cpe-75-83-193-151.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:34] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:34] linuxguy (~linuxguy@5ad5ef10.bb.sky.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:36] does anyone here know how a CPU works? [23:37] fiyawerx (fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: [23:39] mmlj4 (~jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] john_dee (~id@95-29-187-134.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [23:40] Reticenti, how a cpu works? in what way? [23:40] nachox: from what I understand, it's basically just registers and full-adders, correct? [23:40] and one half-adder [23:41] ea_suter (~easuter@ev2-84-90-183-245.netvisao.pt) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:42] Reticenti, not quite [23:42] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@188.140.100.128) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:43] #asm might point you in the right direction [23:43] thanks :) [23:43] beware, though, some of those chans aren't as friendly :) [23:43] ha [23:43] Action: Reticenti puts on flamesuit [23:47] Reticenti, if you're interested in some reading, get a book called "computer architecture, a quantitative approach 4th edition" [23:47] thanks [23:47] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-181-253.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [23:48] I'm in a computer engineering class right now, and in our last lab, we made a full adder on a breadboard [23:48] was kind of neat [23:48] Reticenti, also, if you're interested in an actual processor implementation, sun opensourced the ultrasparc T1 and T2 squematics [23:48] cool [23:49] mmlj4 (~jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:50] night all [23:52] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-181-253.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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