[00:00] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:01] does anyone know how to disable automatic resolution detection with fglrx? [00:01] google is not my friend on this one [00:01] dartmouth: Is xorg.conf your friend on this one? [00:02] i edited the amdpcsdb file to fix this last time, but not sure how i pulled it off. i backed up the xorg file with notes about it [00:02] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:02] (which was overwritten!!!!! by aticonfig) [00:02] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:02] dartmouth: ati strikes again! [00:02] lack up backup strikes again [00:02] <|ast|> not exist lib32 in slack64 [00:02] of* [00:02] dartmouth: there should be a xorg.conf-back or something like that saved [00:02] <|ast|> not is multilib [00:03] marchhare: aticonfig overwrote the xorg.conf file I had backed up, along with the backup [00:03] knoxville (n=knoxvill@c-76-113-247-176.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:04] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:04] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.122.76) left irc: "Leaving" [00:04] stealth- (n=stealth@unaffiliated/stealth-) joined ##slackware. [00:04] the issue is not my xorg.conf as the driver option is in /etc/ati/amdpcsdb, anyway; this is a driver option not a xorg option. the fglrx driver ignores that part of the xorg.conf file unless it's set in amdpcsdb to ignore EDID [00:04] |ast|: if it was pure lib (or single lib) it would have /usr/lib, not /usr/lib/ and /usr/lib64. There is no such thing as /usr/lib32. [00:05] I had a couple packages on the install disk #3 fail the md5sum check. They were: md5sum: ./slackware/kdei/kde-i18n-it-3.5.10-noarch-1.tgz: Input/output error and md5sum: ./slackware/kdei/kde-i18n-pa-3.5.10-noarch-1.tgz: Input/output error [00:05] oh, and now a few other ones :( [00:05] unless you need international language support for KDE.. ignore it [00:06] but mopre than likely your download is bad [00:06] I would reburn the disk, but it was my last disk, am I okay to go ahead and try install the software off the disk? [00:06] yeah as long as the packages you need aren't corrupt :) [00:06] Action: dartmouth removed the kdei dirs from his install disk and filled it full of much more useful things :) [00:06] |ast|: and as BP{k} stated.. slackware64 is multilib [00:06] Dominian: oh, okay. Thanks. I think it was my burner because I kinda ran it at full speed. Which is increadibly fast and it took almost a minute [00:06] dartmouth: exactly what is wrong, just the resolution being overwriten? [00:06] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [00:06] marchhare: yeah, it's detecting bad resolutions [00:07] <|ast|> lol [00:07] Dominian: and it was too late to change anything since it was my last disk. Is there gnome support is slackware? [00:07] Oh [00:07] stealth-: no. but there are thirdparty gnomes out there. [00:07] stealth-: no [00:07] stealth-: there's gsb, dropline, and gware which are popular [00:07] awwww..... I hate kde4. :( I like 3.5 though [00:08] there is also your local garden center for a variety of garden gnomes. [00:08] lol [00:08] dartmouth: I have had tons of problems with my onboard ati chipset but never anything overiding xorg.conf [00:08] I like kde3.5 better than gnome, but I like having latest tech stuff. so ill check out the third part stuff. Thanks again [00:08] dartmouth: can you save xorg start xwin and still it reverts to a bad resolution? [00:10] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [00:10] marchhare: yes, since I don't have the option set in /etc/ati/amdpcsdb, that is the behaviour I am getting... [00:10] ... [00:11] gm152_ (n=gm@d216-121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:13] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [00:13] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [00:14] are glx and aiglx coexistent? [00:15] I am installing PHP on slackware. I got error msg when I try to connect postgresql database. Fatal error: Call to undefined function pg_connect() in /www/index.php on line 7. anyone can help me pls? [00:15] morning. [00:16] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-181-126.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:16] hi stybla [00:16] firebird619: hallo. [00:16] Action: dartmouth throws a cigar at firebird619 [00:17] prodor (n=prodor@200.92.201.120) left irc: "halt system" [00:17] why? [00:17] BixBox: still? [00:17] yes [00:17] T_T [00:18] perhaps php was compiled without postgresql support? [00:18] are you 100% sure you have pgsql support in php? [00:18] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:18] amazon10x: i've asked couple days ago - the answer was pgsql support is in ;) [00:18] yes [00:18] phpinfo() should tell you if you have pg support, right? [00:18] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.107.47) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [00:18] that's what i've said :s [00:19] BixBox: see? i'm not making it up. [00:19] I use --with-pdo-pgsql=/usr/ --with-pgsql=/usr when compile it [00:19] firebird619: hai :X [00:19] Hey tecky [00:19] BixBox: why? what for? why don't you let it to autodetect? [00:20] I did, and still can't work [00:20] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:20] dchmelik (n=d@216.227.111.160) joined ##slackware. [00:20] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:21] BixBox: did you check phpinfo() output? [00:22] amazon10x, sure [00:22] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:22] and nothing about postgresql info there [00:23] :D [00:23] ... [00:23] oh my! [00:23] rosh__ (n=rosh@e176087090.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:23] BixBox: your php doesn't have support for pgsql. [00:23] did you use the slackbuild or did you install your own version of php without removing/upgrading the stock version? [00:24] I install it from source [00:24] and left the stock package too? [00:24] have you reloaded Apache after that? [00:24] yes [00:24] slackid (n=willysr@125.163.251.150) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:24] stybla, sure [00:24] now it's time for ... [00:24] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-35-37.lns3.bne1.internode.on.net) left ##slackware. [00:25] BixBox: are you sure you've installed new php in the same place where the previous was? [00:26] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.160.161) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:26] BP{k}: has there been mention of starting an #slackware64 channel? [00:26] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:26] stybla, yes Iam [00:26] if you need to recompile software that is already part of slackware you are probably best off using the stock build scripts and modifying them. [00:27] chopp: not that I know off, I am not sure that's even usefull to be honest. [00:27] antiwire, even I want to upgrade it to newest one? [00:27] yes [00:27] like I said...just modify the stock build scripts... [00:28] BP{k}: oh I don't think it's required myself, I was just curious if anyone had brought it up. :) [00:28] uhm. slackware already got the latest PHP5 stable. [00:28] chopp: probab should be created anyway and directed here ;) [00:28] look like I must reinstall my slackware [00:28] what for? it's not a windows. [00:29] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:29] I *was* enjoying setting up slackware64, until I blew one of my fscking monitors. [00:30] Hi chopp [00:30] hey firebird619 [00:30] the old PHP files will be junk on my slackware [00:30] isn't it? [00:31] i've never reinstalled linux just because of upgrading php... [00:31] whatever. [00:31] --a [00:31] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:31] The_Faithful (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [00:32] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left ##slackware. [00:32] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425465.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [00:32] |ahmina| (n=lymeca@dsl-74-220-76-19.dhcp.cruzio.com) joined ##slackware. [00:32] how to I remove old php file (which I install from source)? I try to 'make uninstall', but it was not support [00:33] # rm; ? :) [00:33] which files I should remove? [00:33] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425465.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:33] chopp: seems some people already gotten those channels. [00:34] BixBox: how should we know? [00:34] ./usr/local/php? [00:34] ... [00:34] stybla, thats why I ask you :p [00:34] BixBox: are you sure stock php is/was installed in '/usr/local/' ? [00:35] yes [00:35] BP{k}: sure enough. [00:35] are you 100%? because, i wouldn't. [00:35] ccfreak2k (i=ccfreak2@li26-205.members.linode.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:35] huh? why? [00:35] BixBox: are you actually claiming that the slackware php package installs in /usr/local/? [00:35] ccfreak2k (i=ccfreak2@li26-205.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [00:35] BP{k}: :) [00:35] this is fail [00:35] fail everywhere [00:36] yes it is. [00:36] BP{k}, I don't know [00:36] but you just said "yes"? [00:36] I only follow some tutorial [00:36] so which one is it? [00:36] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:36] should i bring the lamp? [00:36] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:36] yosii_ (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [00:37] stybla: nah, not yet. [00:37] lamp? what for? [00:37] *snigger* [00:37] slackid (n=willysr@125.163.251.150) joined ##slackware. [00:37] To light the way for the failbus. It's lost. [00:37] The Moon is Waning Crescent (14% of Full) [00:37] Weid. [00:38] rworkman: lets hope it didn't go off the wrong end of the failferry. [00:38] Weird too. [00:38] yeah it just doesn't make any sense [00:38] Not one bit [00:38] 14%, eh? Did you break out a protractor to measure that? [00:38] Ficthe: pom(6) [00:38] BP{k}: failferry?!? thats a new one [00:38] rain(6) is also handy. [00:39] Just don't do "/exec -o rain" [00:39] hehe. That would be painful. [00:39] I've no idea what pom is -- speaking of which, maybe this can be of help: [00:39] That would almost be as bad as "/exec -o yes I am a dumbass" [00:39] gosten (n=gosten@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:39] .wik pom [00:39] "Prisoner of mother england" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pom [00:39] pfh, maybe not in THIS case [00:39] stybla, should I remove apache which I install from source too? [00:40] BixBox: no, just install php into the correct path :) [00:40] Ficthe: the bot needs to leave, btw :) [00:40] and then type "man pom" in a terminal [00:40] gosten (n=gosten@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:41] Thanks :) [00:41] I install apache in /usr/local too [00:41] why does pom come with slackware.. and lyx doesn't! [00:41] Ficthe: pom is part of y/bsdgames [00:41] because pom is fun and rather usefull. ;) [00:41] and has no replacement. [00:41] vi works fine for laTeX input. [00:41] Action: tuvok302 seriously needs to change his irc font so he can tell the difference between m and rn [00:42] hey robby you're alternate how-to upgrade to current in dw weekly was cool.and informative. [00:42] Rat409: cool; thanks. [00:42] rworkman, you know, MS Word 2010 has supposedly made improvements in that end.. adding ligature support [00:42] I had no idea that Ladislav was going to edit the article, but that's cool. [00:42] it may hint to the demise of latex as we know it today :( [00:42] BixBox: ok, then link the correct php in httpd.conf :) [00:43] Ficthe: I heard that, and while it's cool for MS, I don't suspect I'll ever make use of it. LaTeX is just fine for me. [00:43] rworkman: what other games do you need other than koulies!? [00:43] tuvok302: Terminus font is nice. [00:43] rworkman, can I see some of the things you've done with latex, if you don't mind? [00:43] share the pictures! [00:44] pictures of what? [00:44] Terminus is my favourite font :) shall never touch another font [00:44] Ficthe: http://rlworkman.net/slackshowbrasil/ <-- nothing fancy though [00:44] I'm *far* from adequate in LaTeX knowledge. I know just enough to be dangerous. [00:44] stybla: difference between latex and LaTeX. and problaby my mind. ;-) [00:45] BP{k}: ha. I didn't catch that or I would have referred you to http://thingsididlastnight.com ;-) [00:45] BP{k}: i was expecting bare circuits, or bare female bodies :s [00:45] hey that looks more like powerpoint slides than the creations of text :) [00:46] BP{k}: source code at most [00:46] rworkman: considering how often you have quoted that site, I can only say; damm, you've been busy ;) [00:46] tex* [00:46] Ficthe: that was the point - it made *much* better looking slides than I could have made with OOo or MSOffice [00:46] BP{k}: I do what I an :0 [00:46] er, can. [00:47] rworkman, I imagine it may had been equally time consuming [00:47] thebigh (n=herbert@adsl-99-39-21-139.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:47] hi [00:47] hi [00:47] hello [00:47] how is everyone? [00:48] Dominus (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:48] Ficthe: not even close. I type fast, and being able to *not* take hands off the keyboard to manipulate a mouse, plus vi's nice ability to move around with keystrokes... [00:48] Dominus (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [00:49] rworkman, I could swear to you that I always try to be a good boy and use OSS whenever I can.. but being an EE student, there's just no way that I can do withtout MS Office.. it *is* the most intuitive pack of its kind.. if I don't use it, I struggle : ( and believe me, I've honestly tried with OOo. Anyway, now I'm taking a stab at latex - but being a student (and not a very smart one at that), I rather not just jump in as you would, I've decided [00:49] I'll use lyx :) [00:49] thebigh: my head is killing me, thanks for asking :) [00:49] to save me some time :) [00:49] rworkman, when you say vi, you mean vim, right? vi is linked to ed in slack I thin [00:50] nik (n=nik@accweb.evergreen.edu) joined ##slackware. [00:50] Ficthe: no. vi -> elvis. [00:50] BP{k}: vi == elvis ? [00:50] oh, yeah [00:50] lymeca (n=lymeca@dsl-74-220-76-19.dhcp.cruzio.com) left irc: Connection timed out [00:50] and iirc rworkman uses nvi. [00:51] stybla: That's unfortunate, hope you feel better [00:51] Ficthe: nothing wrong with using lyx - you get the benefits of LaTeX without the headache. No shame in that. [00:51] yes, I don't know how to get along without vimperator now for firefox [00:51] Ficthe: re vi, /usr/bin/vi is a link to /usr/bin/elvis by default. I use that now. [00:52] I used to use nvi, but its utf8 support wasless than stelar [00:52] modprobe mod_speling [00:52] rworkman, I think it's probably important enough (or becoming important enough) that it ought to come with slack :) [00:52] ok php working now [00:52] rworkman: why do you use elvis instead of vim? [00:52] ugh... vimperator gives me a headache [00:52] BixBox: what did the trick? :) [00:52] amazon10x: elvis fits all of my needs in *most* cases. [00:52] I only install it from slackware package [00:53] rworkman: it doesn't support syntax color highlighting does it? [00:53] yeah.. it doesn't [00:53] I rarely need any of the Mprovements with viM. When I do, it's because I'm workign on something upstream that's picky about # of spaces to a tab or some such, and they've done #vim lines to define that [00:53] in my experience there are a lot of little things that i miss from vim when i use elvis or any other non-vim vi, like e.g. 'gg' [00:53] It so much easier to program with the highlighting in vim [00:53] module-init-tools comes to mind [00:54] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [00:54] humm, still no info about postgresql in phpinfo() even I add postgresql extension in php.ini --a [00:54] sorry, but what do you mean by "working on something upstream"? [00:54] I don't miss the syntax highlighting really; it's *occasionally* useful, but not enough to use it by default. "vim" is easy enough to type when I need it. [00:54] Ficthe: http://github.com/rworkman/mit/tree/master [00:55] I was unclear on the word 'upstream' [00:55] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.160.161) joined ##slackware. [00:55] ah, elvis has bold text when editing .c files [00:55] http://bash.org/?26369 < that's a fake end message.. [00:56] Action: thebigh thinks g key is broken as I can't scroll to the top [00:56] thebigh, elvis has funny (and different) movement bindings from what vim has, iirc [00:56] http://www.popsci.com/files/2zcg.gif [00:57] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-215.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Fare thee well." [00:57] oh come on fellas, let's keep things just obliquely ontopic [00:57] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-080-010.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [00:57] antiwire: you? [00:57] stybla: nah [00:57] Action: thebigh tries to ctrl-w to other internal window, gets stuck and :qa rm `which elvis` [00:57] Ficthe: waaaah [00:57] wow thats good [00:58] or incredibly lucky ;) [00:58] lol [00:58] what's the topic? [00:58] when the installer tells me that it can install the "qt and the K desktop environment for X", which kde is it talking about? 3.5, 4? [00:58] here's the story http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2009-05/breakdown-human-ball-bounce-trick [00:58] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:59] stealth-: which slackware version? [00:59] Rat409: This is my fav. http://www.bash.org/?870063 [00:59] BP{k}: um... the latest one I got off the site via their torrents links [00:59] BP{k}: 12.2 [00:59] stealth-: KDE 3.5.10 [00:59] Bash rap = Pure awesome. [00:59] BP{k}: nice! thx [01:01] FreonTrip (n=FreonTri@75-16-178-113.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:01] Let's give a big round of applause for Slack64. [01:02] Action: thebigh pats computer on back [01:03] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:04] looking [01:04] Does anyone here know much about hardware virtualization? [01:05] I'd like to install Slackware64 on my workstation once 13.0 is released, and want to be ready... [01:05] Action: rworkman just completed an in-place upgrade of slackware-current (32bit) to slackware64-current (just for grins and giggles) [01:05] agentc0re: nice :) [01:06] FreonTrip: what are you wanting to know about it? [01:07] I know that running VMware resulted in certain hardware being emulated back when I tried it. When taking advantage of hardware virtualization, does that allow the system's existing hardware to be accessed directly, i.e. if running a VM session of Slack64 within XP64, can I expect my 9600GT to work properly? [01:08] only certain aspects are exposed directly to the guest [01:08] Nick change: yosii_ -> yosii [01:11] FreonTrip (n=FreonTri@75-16-178-113.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:11] VirtualBox has (allegedly) decent support for accelerated graphics in their newer versions. I can't speak from experience, as I only use it for devel purposes [01:11] and he leaves [01:11] Rat409: I'd love to hear that live. I think it'd be awesome. [01:12] Oh well, I think I'll leave too. It's past bedtime anyway. [01:12] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [01:14] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:14] haha [01:15] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:15] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:16] agentc0re: no doubt! [01:20] anyone know how to fix this sound issue: if i open mplayer and start playing a video, sound works, but if right after, i open firefox to watch a youtube, the sound in youtube doesnt work but mplayer sound continues to work. how do you make it so they both work at the same time? [01:20] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042315]" [01:22] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [01:22] pizzledizzle: your sound card supports full duplex ? [01:22] yes [01:23] it worked at some point but now it doesnt again [01:27] Did you try turning it off and on? [01:28] Anyone else see weird things from the NVIDIA installer after upgrading to slackware64? [01:32] thebigh (n=herbert@adsl-99-39-21-139.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving." [01:32] Hey slackmagic, how's it going? [01:33] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.122.76) joined ##slackware. [01:33] clear [01:33] ls [01:34] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [01:34] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Later"). [01:34] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "leaving" [01:35] I'm having problems running MYSQL on my slackware can anyone give me a hand... I haven't use mysql befor even in microsoft, I starting to learn it but can't get it to run on my slackware thanks... [01:35] root@atomfox://# mysql [01:35] ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) [01:35] inkblot (n=inkblot@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:35] here's the error I recieve [01:36] http://slackwiki.org/MySQL_Configuration [01:36] also, read the rc script for mysql [01:38] Rat409 (n=greg@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:39] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [01:39] this is starting to piss me off [01:41] what does? [01:42] mr antiwire the problem is the rc.mysql does not exist in my directory... I'm still trying to locate it, I'm logged in as root but can't seem to find it yet [01:42] what directory are you looking for it in? [01:42] it's rc.mysqld [01:42] how about /etc/rc.d/, or just try *buntu/fedora/suse/... [01:42] not rc.mysql [01:42] stybla: you wee what i mean now? [01:43] antiwire: i think i know :P [01:43] I did the same mistaken in the beginning [01:44] atom_fox: stop whatever you are doing and start reading this first: http://www.slackbasics.org/ [01:44] broke my balls looking for rc.mysql (as the HOWTO calls it) [01:44] inkblot: how about some common sense? [01:44] ok, forget it. [01:44] i'm really not in the shape for flame. [01:44] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:44] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.122.76) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:44] seriously...one letter off and nothing else in rc.d/ looks like 'mysql' [01:45] antiwire: yep, something like that. [01:45] I had just switched from W2k, have some understanding [01:45] antiwire: that's why i've said atom_fox should try *buntu/fedora/etc. - those are for people who are able only to follow how-tos without knowledge "wtf i'm doing". [01:46] that reminds me: q: how do i restart bind? a: rm / -Rf q: ok. q: omfg!!! [01:46] oh, well... [01:47] stybla: really, please quote thinks like that.. [01:48] it's rm [OPTION]... FILE... [01:48] s/thinks/things/ [01:48] not the other way around [01:48] BP{k}: am i giving wrong example here? :) [01:48] inkblot: actually you can do it either way [01:49] inkblot: you might want to try it before you correct someone [01:49] imagine if atom_fox did the same mistake, the whole world would have collapsed around him, am I wrong? [01:49] you might try to stfu [01:49] heh :) [01:49] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:49] stybla: not wrong example, just it's a good happbit to quote whatever "command" you're typing here. Just in case someone does an unfortunate cut and paste. [01:49] inkblot: You corrected something that needed no correction [01:50] BP{k}: ah, sorry. [01:50] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-164-37.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] antiwire: just ditch it, please. [01:50] I didn't say he was wrong, I merely pointed out what the manual page for rm says [01:50] stybla: who are you? [01:51] antiwire: stfu would be enough. ok, i'll shut up :) [01:51] BP{k}, eh, quotes don't help...i always quote commands in backtics anyways since that conveys that its actually a command :) [01:52] edman007: well you shouldn't use backticks anyway ;-) $( ) is much neater. [01:52] lol [01:52] i use both [01:52] BP{k}: yeah, or just don't post commands at all... [01:52] edman007: but granted perhaps the term 'double quotes' (ie " ") is a better description. [01:53] stybla: depends on the commands. [01:53] :) [01:53] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [01:53] Action: edman007 tells people to run a fork bomb [01:54] I guess people who eat with chopsticks are safe from that :P [01:55] and on that terrible joke, I am off. laters. [01:56] good night [01:56] or good morning [01:59] antiwire and styble: I apologize, I just can't understand the need to [01:59] stybla* [01:59] then don't apologize? [02:00] hello [02:00] to be so fuming (I guess this is the right word in english) [02:00] upon reading a harmless question [02:01] Fuming? You're the one who told me to stfu... [02:01] true [02:02] I could use a piece of my own advice [02:03] inkblot: apologize? to me? huh? i really feel no need for doing so. [02:05] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [02:05] I didn't ask for an apology, I said I was apologizing [02:05] slack install is asking for my domain name while setting up my network, I dont have a clue what to enter, any help? [02:05] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "gulp" [02:05] yes. and i say there is no need, inkblot. [02:05] stealth-: if you don't have a domain name for your LAN you can just use .lan or .local [02:06] stealth-: it really doesn't matter and can be changed latter anyway [02:06] later* [02:06] antiwire: so just press enter? [02:06] stealth-: if it will let you, sure [02:06] antiwire: it says not to supply a leading . [02:06] no, it wont [02:07] I think you can figure out what to do now then [02:07] flvr (n=flvr@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) joined ##slackware. [02:07] flvr (n=flvr@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:07] but doesnt .lan contain a leading ., is it okay to remove it? [02:07] I'm trying so hard to no loose it [02:07] lol [02:08] so just enter anything and if it doesnt work trouble shoot later? [02:09] you can enter FOODANDPONIES if you want but usually, if you don't already have a domain name, you can use the .lan or .local domains [02:09] crap I wish there was an 64bit skype [02:09] Like I said before, it doesn't matter and can be changed later. [02:09] antiwire: okay. Sorry, im just *really* tight for time and want to try to get this right the first time. Thanks for not flaming me [02:10] It's basically forcing you to do that so that there is a domain setting for the dhcp [02:10] Action: stybla incinerates stealth- [02:12] have a good day [02:12] inkblot (n=inkblot@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [02:14] dchmelik (n=d@216.227.111.160) left irc: "Leaving." 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[02:43] who dinnged me [02:46] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [02:47] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [02:48] ivan8013_ (n=slKIvs@72.252.60.207) joined ##slackware. [02:48] |ahmina| (n=lymeca@dsl-74-220-76-19.dhcp.cruzio.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [02:48] BOFH__ (n=berserk@host133-80-dynamic.55-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:51] Glegnar (n=glegnar@host81-159-62-219.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [02:51] Action: edman007 dings nix_chix0r [02:51] Hey edman007, how's it going? [02:51] nix_chix0r, what are you doing here? [02:52] firebird619, good, power was out for three hours today, i watched an entire movie on an ipod... [02:52] wow, how'd that go? [02:52] well the screen was tiny [02:53] but i survived with only minor injuries [02:53] and i only killed 3 people! [02:53] which movie? [02:53] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [02:53] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:53] james bond - diamonds are forever [02:54] edman007, my boss is gone today and friday and so i have to those on the day shift and i just got home [02:54] Hi nix_chix0r [02:54] heh a 4pm-12am shift getting home at 130am to work 8:30am-4:30pm [02:54] =\ all this cause i had to scramble to find a sitter [02:54] ohh, so throwing a party? [02:55] she had to drag her daughter with [02:55] with dead ponies? [02:55] lol no i'm gona bust my ass today at work [02:55] by pissing? [02:55] from what i understand you don't work at work [02:55] i have to schedule hearings, do phone appointments with clients, organize medical records, file claims with social security over the phone and do online reports [02:57] but do you actually do it? [02:57] lol yeah [02:57] it's not as busy at night because i cant call as many clients but i do a lot of online reports till 10pm and then scan and organize medical records [02:58] lymeca (n=lymeca@dsl-74-220-76-19.dhcp.cruzio.com) joined ##slackware. [02:59] nix_chix0r, why don't you just organize them on the first night and leave them organized? [02:59] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.152.203.163) joined ##slackware. [02:59] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.160.161) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:59] coolies, regarding 64-bit slackware [03:00] though, my desktop is 6 years old ... [03:00] I guess I'll put it on my 64-bit capable laptop...I have slackware 32-bit on there atm [03:00] yay [03:00] i was googling earlier [03:00] for advantages of 64-bit.. [03:00] but its not multi-lib, so i'll have to wait :( [03:00] I dont understand the hype about 64-bit atm [03:01] Is it a chicken and egg thing? [03:01] People aren't switchin en-masse, so there's no software en-masse [03:01] edman007, they have to be organized because i send relase forms to hospitals to get the records and the dumb secretaries who fax it over have it not in the right date order [03:01] and vice versa? [03:01] once they are organized , counted, and scanned i file them into clients records [03:02] that part really isn't my job i just help my manager out at night when its slow [03:02] redtricycle: are there pros of 64bit os? [03:02] nix_chix0r, have you tried writing a shell script to do it? [03:02] stybla: you can crunch floating point numbers faster [03:02] stybla: ...if you really wanted to, you know [03:02] redtricycle, uh, no....not really [03:02] rofl a shell script isn't going to organize paper files you tard [03:02] redtricycle: is that - all? :\ [03:02] nix_chix0r, it would if i wrote it [03:03] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "leaving" [03:03] edman007: so what's the advantage of 64-bit? [03:03] Besides having more than 8 GB of ram [03:03] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-8-80.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:03] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:04] Hi redtricycle, how are you? [03:04] hey firebird619, good evenin' [03:04] was just reading slashdot, and I'm always giddy when I see slackware [03:04] good $timeofday [03:04] redtricycle, more memory (more than 4GB memory supported, many 32-bit limits are at 2 or 3GB, those are moved up in 64-bit and are non-issues), and it can be faster since the x86_64 standard adds registers and removes crud [03:04] heh, more like good morning here. It's 02:04. [03:05] Is there any software that specifically takes advantage of 64-bit? [03:05] popular software, atm that is [03:05] redtricycle, so you can mmap() a 8GB file for example, and a lot of stuff runs 10-20% faster due to the extra registers [03:05] unreal tournament 2004 [03:05] edman007: so, basically, with 4GB RAM => 64bit OS [enforced] ? [03:05] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@72.252.60.207) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:05] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:05] stybla, thats what its all about [03:06] :'( [03:06] should be fun to try new slackware though huh? [03:06] nod [03:06] was it a fork of slamd64, I wonder.. [03:06] Though...I'm going to have 32 bit slackware 13.0 on my desktop [03:06] firebird619: its not that early ;) [03:06] and 64-bit on my laptop [03:06] redtricycle, yea, lots and lots of things use the extra memory space, things that deal with large files will work better too [03:06] I hope I won't notice a difference besides the speed [03:06] if "i have only 14 days to make it work stable" sounds like a fun to you, then - yes! <<< byteframe :) [03:06] edman007: Oh, okay, so XBMC wouldn't chew up my CPU? [03:06] edman007: when I run video files? [03:07] redtricycle, depends, i don't know how that app works [03:07] edman007, weirdo [03:07] lf4: :D [03:08] firebird619, i need to sleep but it's so hard [03:08] Oh firebird619 and a side note... my xorg is working once more. [03:08] i'm wondering, what's the difference between slamd64 and slackware64, except officiality? [03:08] but the mmap() syscall loads an entire file into vram, and thus you can't mmap() a 8GB file on a 32-bit system (but i think you can mmap a small chunk of it) [03:08] nix_chix0r, i haz red bull [03:08] lf4: awesome. with the nvidia driver too? [03:08] firebird619: yes the nv [03:08] Gee, I dont tihnk I have any one file that's bigger than a gigabyte [03:09] Though, I'm sure video editting people would appreciate it [03:09] nix_chix0r: waiting for the baby to wake up first, or just hard to sleep? [03:09] and database people [03:09] stybla, well on a 32-bit has 4GB of address space, and thus you can't use 4GB of memory in one process, even if you do have PAE and 4GB ram, 64-bit you can [03:09] edman007, which has more caffiene redbull or a rockstar or how well those five hour energy drinks work because i'll be working on 2hrs of sleep in 2days [03:09] firebird619, both, i start work today at 830 when i finished at 12am [03:10] nix_chix0r, red bull and rockstar are basically identical per oz, but the rockstar are 20oz and the large red bull are 16oz, i think [03:10] but i have to leave at 650am to get him to the sitter and to work by 830 heh [03:10] nix_chix0r: ouch, you better try and get some sleep, you'll be a walking zombie. :P [03:10] firebird619, can always just sleep at work [03:10] i heard the nodoz pills dont work very well [03:10] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425465.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:10] might be able to if the guy i call at noon doesn't answer his damn phone [03:11] i've been playing phone tag with him for 3days now [03:11] nix_chix0r, i hate phones [03:11] inadequate buffering capabilities [03:11] and they lack async support [03:12] edman007: i see. well, we have no files/apps that big [03:13] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:13] stybla, DVDs ;) [03:13] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:13] also, the extra registers do make it faster (usually), even though the speed of the instructions does not really change [03:14] Action: nix_chix0r breakdances [03:14] and in general, 64-bit is slower, since it inherently uses larger binaries and more memory, x86_64 is an exception due to the extra registers (PPC64 is slower than PPC32 for example) [03:14] What would be better to install the flash player as a SBo or directly from adobe? [03:14] nix_chix0r, nice [03:15] lf4: SBo [03:15] imho [03:15] lf4, don't [03:15] firebird619: I never understood why. [03:15] nix_chix0r, can you fly? [03:15] haha edman007 reasoning? [03:15] helicopters [03:15] for a good 90seconds [03:15] edman007: i'll see how it goes. i can't tell right now, to be honest. [03:16] lf4, the adobe player runs in the FF process, and when it segfaults it will take FF with it, i don' [03:16] sh0ne (n=Unknown@79.101.217.85) joined ##slackware. [03:16] t use it because of tha [03:16] Ahh interesting ok. [03:16] nix_chix0r, red bull gives you wings [03:16] and i got a case and a half of red bull left [03:16] edman007: he already had a bad FF issue. It crashed, he coulding kill it, and it took xorg with it. :P [03:16] err, couldn't [03:17] firebird619, binary blob video driver? [03:17] lol firebird619 some how I think i'll be known for that. :P [03:17] lf4: yes, you will. [03:17] http://www.guba.com/watch/2000938471 [03:17] edman007: yeah, nvidia driver, he's on nv now and doing alright. [03:18] firebird619, well that is why i don't use binary blob drivers [03:18] firebird619: the nv driver seems to be refreshing slower though.. still some tweaking to do I guess. [03:18] edman007: what do you use? :) [03:18] i have an untainted kernel, i use radeonhd for video, and for flash i use gnash (works just fine for youtube) [03:19] when gnash crashes FF does not [03:19] edman007: gnash works well with youtube, etc.? The last I tried, it didn't work well. [03:20] Glegnar (n=glegnar@host81-159-62-219.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Connection timed out [03:20] firebird619, not perfect, but usable, it plays the videos just fine but you will get some problems if you try to touch the position thingy or try to click the vids at the end [03:21] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [03:21] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-106-31.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [03:21] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:21] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-248-127-232.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:23] I got error when configure PHP. http://pastebin.com/d5ef5f36a [03:23] "Please check config.log for more information." [03:24] Oh yeah, I've been meaning to ask [03:24] does anybody have a pastebin script? [03:24] less is more, but more is more than more is, so more is less than less, so use more less if you want less more [03:24] Where I can do... [03:24] "cat thisfile | pastebinscript.sh" [03:24] and it'll generate a pastebin url [03:24] hay edman007 [03:24] tecky, hi [03:24] http://pastebin.com/d383abfb4 [03:27] edman007, any idea? [03:27] BixBox, you didn't install all of X did you? [03:27] yes Iam. I am install minimal [03:28] well thats why, you missed an X lib [03:28] but I have install libX11.so and libXpm.so [03:29] So I just googled how toilets worked. Interesting.. [03:29] I wonder why I never bothered to look into it [03:30] which requires libxcb... [03:30] IT's just a siphon! [03:30] redtricycle: what do you mean? :) [03:30] stybla: After you dump a certain amount of water into the bowl [03:30] it fills up the siphon [03:30] which is able to pull everything down with it [03:30] Brilliant.. [03:30] I came across it, because my bathroom isn't done yet [03:30] so I dont have plumbing to the tank [03:31] but you can just dump water in the bowl [03:31] and it'll flush [03:31] pretty cool [03:31] And, by the way [03:31] having to flush by *hand* [03:31] you really, really notice [03:31] how much water is used [03:31] to flush your toilet [03:31] by hand, I mean...filling up a bucket [03:31] and dumping it into the toilet [03:31] oh, IT != information technology :) [03:31] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:32] Right, It's =P [03:32] there we go ;) [03:32] that was 16 lines in a row! [03:32] redtricycle, how did you dodge slackboy ? [03:33] ...gee, I dont know [03:33] o_o [03:33] slackboy, wake UP!!! [03:33] Sorry, I'm a frequent enter-key presser [03:34] edman007, still got same error msg [03:34] BixBox, BTW, general policy around here is no support if you didn't install everything, you failed to install the dependencies then its your fault, if you don't want to install everything then you should have enough knowledge to select what you do and do not need [03:34] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:34] BixBox, anyways, there are probably other libs, and they will be revealed in the config.log [03:34] and i'm going to bed, night [03:35] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:35] edman007: g'night. [03:37] well time for me to get some sleep night [03:38] lf4: good night to you too. [03:39] and good night to anybody else who's going to get some sleep. [03:41] 'night stybla [03:43] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [03:43] it's 9:43 am :) [03:43] 5:30 PM you mean :P [03:44] you mean 00:46AM [03:44] how about to sync your clock and try again? :P [03:45] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:46] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:49] Hi frullet, how are you? [03:51] firebird619: hey buddy, doin well you? [03:53] doing great, thanks. :) [03:54] hey firebird619 I seemed to have the same problems with adesklets on my slackware64 as you were having. I solved it though. Did you get yours going? [03:54] Akaji (n=jaz_pa-b@ppp-142-237.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [03:54] Akaji (n=jaz_pa-b@ppp-142-237.33-151.iol.it) left ##slackware ("Sto andando via"). [03:56] no, but hadn't worked with it either much. [03:57] How'd you get it going? [03:57] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:57] I had to patch the source [03:58] fgdfas (n=dfgdf@91-114-226-247.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [03:59] Ah, ok. and it works fine now for you? [04:01] works great yes. I couldn't get it patched properly with the SBo slackbuild, I used alienBOB's. [04:01] and modified it for 0.6.1 [04:03] cool. [04:04] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [04:05] Well, time to get going. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. Take care. :) [04:05] good night [04:05] night chopp [04:05] I'll probably work with adesklets tomorrow. :) [04:06] shout if you need help with it [04:06] ok, thanks [04:06] np [04:06] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [04:06] umislack (i=1000@58.64.93.162) left irc: "leaving" [04:08] umislack (i=1000@58.64.92.138) joined ##slackware. [04:08] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. 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[05:06] /. would be good if only for two things: 1. Removal of all comments, 2. Removal of Ask Slashdot category [05:06] Slashdot? "news"? [05:06] fred: that's why I'm asking :p [05:06] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-248-127-232.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:12] roorah (n=foo@87.244.223.14) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:16] CtrlAltCa (n=kvirc@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [05:16] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425465.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:19] okibisan (i=1000@24-158-197-146.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [05:20] hu? slackware64? [05:21] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [05:24] check slackware-current :) [05:25] Dammit. Just when I got comfy with slamd64. [05:26] fre [05:26] argh. [05:26] fred, you going out of business soon? [05:26] or bluewhite etc. [05:27] Action: Zordrak sends Buggaboo back in time 24 hours to catch up [05:28] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.199.112) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [05:29] Agiofws_ (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427151.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [05:29] Buggaboo: I'll announce that once I'm sure, and if there is such a thing, with the next release of whatever after I'm sure. [05:29] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427151.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:29] okay, I'll stfu in the meantime. [05:30] I'll commit an act of disloyalty and install sw64 on a kvm vm now. [05:33] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:35] Action: fred is downloading slackware64 at the moment :p [05:36] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:36] fred, where ? [05:36] Action: frullet is running 64-current, yes i can feel your jelousy :) [05:38] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [05:38] Look at it on the bright-side, less pressure for fred, better distribution and support for slackware? Good luck with the rsi/tendon issues, btw. [05:39] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.15.191) joined ##slackware. [05:39] Action: Buggaboo goes to check if he has an empty slice on the disc somewhere... [05:39] Buggaboo: they're pretty much gone now, so hopefully will get some stuff done this weekend [05:40] Camarade_Tux, we can continue our last conversation about C++ and the kernel ? :) [05:43] nah, screw it, I'll wait for the official release. [05:44] The_Faithful, hmm, I'm busy right now, I have to slack and waste time >< [05:44] (no, really, gobject-introspection made me mad) [05:44] Camarade_Tux, OK good luck [05:44] Shuren (n=Devilman@host118-171-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:45] they made a format that is basically undocumented [05:46] I think that procedural languages must dead.. Because they are hard to maintain and got the old programming theories.. Now everybody talk OOP [05:47] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:48] but a computer is procedural ;-) [05:49] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.199.112) joined ##slackware. [05:50] Camarade_Tux: just because a computer thinks a certain way doesn't mean that it's best for ou to think the same way [05:50] Camarade_Tux, I know that, but why do you think that java for example don't adopt the procedural languages and instead they are 100 % OOP [05:50] ? [05:51] fred, sure, there are at least two kernels written in ocaml which is functionnal ;p [05:52] Action: Camarade_Tux is in favor of a mix between approaches [05:52] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [05:53] I mean that OOP has a lot of advantages unless the performance that can make the development of the kernel quickly and easy !! [05:56] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:56] because in OOP you are limited to apply the theories like : polymorphism, inheritance, ... so developers can understand each others !! [05:57] ananke (n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:57] There's also linus's argument that if you can't get your head around C, you shouldn't be doing kernel programming [06:00] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:00] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:00] kama (n=kama@host237-117-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:03] fred, I wanna say, that with OOP the kernel will be so easy to develop and we will have more contribution in the world [06:03] C++ is C oriented object so all that we can do with C we can do it with C++ and more [06:05] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:05] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:06] yay drunk spook [06:06] The_Faithful: wrong... [06:06] ananke (n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [06:06] C++ is not OO C [06:06] OO C is what most of gnome is written in. [06:07] spook, you mean objective C [06:07] no. [06:07] while C++ started off as OO C, it has become so much more than that. [06:07] kama (n=kama@host237-117-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:08] spook, lol that's what I said [06:08] anyway it's not our subject [06:08] The_Faithful: you didnt learn from yesterday, talking about c++ in kernel? [06:08] as someone said yesterday, C++ can suck my dick [06:08] spook, I wasn't here [06:09] you were. [06:09] spook, you know !! you are not a true programmer [06:09] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [06:09] The_Faithful: have you done any kernel programming? [06:09] because if you are, you will hate everything that don't adopt OOP [06:11] spook, No but it's not hard for me to do that, because I done more complicated programs than (procedural language programming) [06:11] The_Faithful: You are, and always shall be a moron and a bad programmer. There. I said it. [06:11] The_Faithful: kernel programming is different to everything you've ever done before. [06:11] no other programming experience transfers to kernel programming [06:11] Zordrak, I follow the best programmer/designer in the world.. the creator of XP (extreeme programming) :) [06:12] i'm project leader of #linuxpmi [06:12] spook, cool, I am talking about OOP instead of procedural [06:12] here goes dick size measurement. [06:12] that's it [06:13] linuxpmi = openmosix revival/documentation project. [06:13] christian (n=christia@kobz-590ef71d.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [06:13] spook, rewrting the kernel to OOP is not impossible, its just fastidious [06:13] hello [06:13] but if you can do that [06:13] its pointless. [06:14] trust me. [06:14] ananke (n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:14] you will see how much the kernel will improve [06:14] design and flexibility, and time wasting in developing [06:14] The_Faithful: you've never kernel programmed, so stop now before you dig a deeper hole for yourself. [06:15] spook: *plonk* him.. i do frequently [06:15] spook, THE KERNEL IS A PROGRAM, I AM TALKING ABOUT PROGRAM DESIGN IN GENERAL [06:15] The_Faithful: stfu & gtfo [06:15] Zordrak, thank you [06:16] O_o [06:16] The_Faithful: hes agreeing with me, not you. [06:16] only some programs lend themselves to OOP [06:16] most are too simple or just dont need to be OOP [06:17] spook, I am thinking about how much idiot in this channel [06:17] so how much idiot contrinbuting in Slackware project [06:18] i think i just spotted one. [06:18] yeah, definately spotted one. [06:18] spook: srsly.. he's only gonna make you madder.. stuff him on ignore [06:18] no no [06:18] Zordrak: i'm drunk, this is fun. [06:18] you and I do not see eye to eye on fun :) [06:19] The_Faithful: i'm just wondering if you bring up SmallTalk, or not. [06:19] hahahaha smalltalk [06:19] that was horrible [06:19] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [06:19] spook: what's horrible about it? :P [06:20] SmallTalk: All of the fun of database design combined with the insane overengineered complexity of glassfish/tomcat [06:20] stybla, I think that I must think about kind of community that leading a linux distro at first [06:20] (thats metaphorical of course) [06:20] stybla, You know I hate talk to monkeys like Zordrak [06:20] i did a unit at uni where we had to do small talk for like 1/2 the unit [06:21] the first lecture, lecturer was like I LOVE MACS LINUX SUCKS DONT TRY TO CHANGE ME [06:21] stybla, for example you give your arguments and person that disapointed just say : The_Faithful: stfu & gtfo [06:21] I turned down a chance to be a DB admin for JP Morgan... cos i'd have spent my life in a smalltalk hellpit i wouldnt be able to experience my way out of [06:21] spook: hm, how's mac connected with ST? [06:21] in the exam, i wrote an example program that told him he sucked cocks [06:21] zx10k1 (n=nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) joined ##slackware. [06:21] :D [06:22] all the lab sheets were written about using Xcode [06:22] hello world! [06:22] A real idiot users and community [06:22] plus id have had to move to glasgow :) [06:22] The_Faithful: umm are you really surprised? i think that's pretty common on the internet, not like i'm saying it's alright, but it's common. [06:22] spook: i'm sorry, but i don't see your point, if any. [06:23] stybla, OK come with me to make a tour in Gentoo or debian channel [06:23] you will see yourself [06:23] ivob (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [06:23] The_Faithful: no, thank you very much. i can't stand too much dick comparsion. [06:23] stybla: i'm drunken rambling, no point. [06:24] The_Faithful: and that's probably double for Debian, as Debian's devs must be over the Gods. [06:24] stybla, slackware is good because it's simple, but there users are idiot, and I don't know why :S [06:24] its not simple [06:24] The_Faithful: if somebody has a different opinion, that doesn't make him an idiot. [06:25] The_Faithful: i don't know, sorry :s [06:25] The_Faithful: i just gave up on fights like that - and walking my path. [06:25] spook: ok :) [06:25] stybla, OK so go ahead.. you will be everyday guided by an experienced sys admin ( Zordrak ) 40 years old.. who don''t know how to stop vpn connection from his LAN [06:25] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-226-22-184.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [06:26] IDIOTS [06:26] :D [06:26] The_Faithful: you should probally start keeping your opinions to yourself. [06:26] The_Faithful: lick we where I shit, kthxbai [06:26] The_Faithful (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [06:26] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:26] oh my... [06:26] i was like that [06:27] how old is he? [06:27] Action: stybla is just curious [06:27] my apologies for the above but he pissed me off. [06:27] Action: zx10k1 is blowing his nose [06:28] damn cold [06:29] Action: slava_dp sits and blankly stares at the screen [06:29] i'm drunk [06:29] i ate lunch 30minutes ago :) [06:30] chopp: sorry for what? he obviously didn't want to hear nothing else than agreement. [06:30] s/nothing/anything/ [06:32] Woo, he left! Score! [06:32] now, i think it would be great to rewrite kernel into oop. [06:32] php perhaps [06:33] Action: stybla trolls... [06:33] i wasn't even funny :( ok, back to RFCs. [06:35] is here somebody experienced with ldap dit design? [06:35] I love that "who don''t know how to stop vpn connection from his LAN" -- I taught him how to do it yesterday and he was all omgz im everl so grateful mr. universe" [06:35] nvision (n=nvision@g229175042.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [06:35] stybla: fraid not.. i did what i could to stay at the user level with ldap [06:37] stybla, yes [06:37] ananke (n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [06:37] zx10k1: neat. do you have any ideas, ideally examples, on dns in ldap? [06:38] zx10k1: ip range/host + mac + dns records :) [06:38] stybla, what do you wanna do? [06:38] or could you point me to really good how-to, because i failed miserably to find one? :( [06:38] is it a user's tree? [06:39] if yes i'd strongly recommend to use a flat dn model, as opposed to the hierarchical one [06:39] ie id=xyz,ou=people,dc=foo,dc=bar [06:39] well, it's supposed to contain all kind of information. user starts, ipv4 ends. [06:39] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [06:40] hello [06:40] stybla, ok but what do the objects actually represent? [06:40] is it users? devices? chairs? [06:40] aha. let's query. [06:41] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [06:43] ldap! [06:43] death. [06:44] swords [06:44] (this is word association, right? :)) [06:44] (i hope so :)) [06:45] http://middleware.internet2.edu/dir/docs/ldap-recipe.htm [06:45] this is a useful reference [06:45] Urchlay's late today... [06:45] my personal recommendation would be to have a People ou [06:46] me too [06:46] and one or more departments (or whatever represents your organization) [06:46] although ive seen some purist articles that cerkon it should be a dc [06:46] *reckon [06:47] i also recommend a flat dn hierarchy model [06:47] ie one that will not include department [06:47] (the department information will be an object attribute) [06:47] For AD (spit) i currently have ou=Users,ou=CompanyName,dc=companydomain,dc=companytld [06:48] so your dn's should be like uid=xyz,ou=People,dc=foo,dc=bar [06:48] yes, that's essentially the same [06:48] yeah, well - people aren't the problem. [06:48] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:48] i also recommend the dn's uid *not* to be the login username [06:48] but a unique identifier instead [06:49] that way you can easily change login uid's without having to do stuff on your services [06:49] (i assume here that we all have ldap integrated services, right? :P) [06:49] stybla: what IS the problem? [06:49] Zordrak: how to represent dns records in ldap. [06:50] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:50] stybla, what do you mean by that? [06:50] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:50] for departments? [06:50] stybla: i thought so.. zx10k1 got me all befuzzled [06:51] http://wiki.aims.ac.za/mediawiki/index.php/LDAP#Computers or cosine.schema (objClass dNSDomain) [06:51] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.12) joined ##slackware. [06:51] Action: Zordrak stays out of what he doesnt REALLY know a lot about [06:51] Zordrak, sorry stybla asked for a million things in pm and i thought i would reply on the channel in case others were interested too [06:52] Zordrak, i wasn't in delirium :P [06:52] indeed. ;; ad flat model - it's driving me crazy. [06:52] a lot of things in ldap do, as rdbm :s [06:52] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:52] stybla, ldap is not an rdbms [06:53] i know it is not :) [06:53] I like LDAP.. it just gets really complex when you start using it for complex stuff [06:53] s/rdbm/!rdbm/ [06:53] it's almost like it's TOO flexible... but then nothing is too flexible... thats why perl rules :) [06:54] Zordrak: i get brain-lock when ldap&&complex stuff :s [06:54] Zordrak: your not wrong ;) [06:54] zx10k1: for dns, should i just put *everything* under one 'ou'? [06:55] SHIT! I thought I was! That's what The_Faithful kept telling me! Damn my whole world view is broken now.... [06:55] Nick change: ivob -> tiny [06:55] stybla, what do you mean by "dns" [06:55] DNS or LDAP DNs? [06:55] stybla: are you talking about DNS records or objects that have a DNS entry in bind? [06:56] what he said ^ [06:56] zx10k1: domain name system, of course. [06:56] .... [06:56] >.< [06:56] lol [06:56] not an LDAP dn [06:56] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-35-37.lns3.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:56] stybla: are you trying to make an LDAP DNS server? [06:56] sorry, when it comes to LDAP the dns redirects to DNs in my brain [06:57] ok [06:57] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176087090.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [06:57] zx10k1: sorry then :) [06:57] stybla, sorry too [06:57] what we do here is that we have a departments tree, with a DomainName attribute for each one of them [06:57] ie are you trying to stero DNS records in an LDAP tree so they can be queried? [06:57] Zordrak: umm not really (if you by that mean ldapdns, or what's the projects name). i'm trying to put evidence of ipv4 addr+mac+dns into ldap. [06:58] Jimmen (n=Devilman@host118-171-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:58] aahhh i kind of see where you're going [06:58] per host? [06:58] but why ldap... isnt that more of a DB requirewent? [06:59] well, ldap is somewhat db, right? [06:59] well.. somewhat... but it's a different data access paradigm [06:59] but that's not the point - why not? because everything will be at one place. [06:59] zx10k1: yes, per host. [07:00] the question is what is accessing the data, how is it accessing it and why is it accessing it [07:00] then create a hosts tree [07:00] Zordrak: i expect some script to parse through data and create ldap->dns out of it. [07:00] and a host objectClass [07:00] with all the required attributes [07:01] do you mean auto generation of a bind zone file from data stored in LDAP? [07:01] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [07:02] nvision (n=nvision@g229175042.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:02] zx10k1: ok, so - ou=computers and put everything there. then create some script, or make specific queries for records by type. or umm ... well, mx doesn't change that much :) [07:02] Zordrak: yep, something like that ;) [07:02] stybla: riiiiigght [07:02] Always helps to know the goal first [07:03] Zordrak: it's one of the things. another is access list of ip:mac for routers on the network ;) [07:03] right [07:03] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-80-193.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:03] Well storage of per camputer records needs to be flat inside a dc [07:03] and subdomains should have a sub-d [07:03] and subdomains should have a sub-dc [07:04] comme ca: [07:04] stybla, which ldap are you gonna use? [07:04] maxote (n=eldragon@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [07:04] zx10k1: openldap [07:05] cn=foo,dc=example,dc=com,ou=DNS, [07:05] there is some FAQ on openldap.org regarding DNS over LDAP [07:05] i don't have too much confidence in Apache's Java ldap. [07:05] http://www.openldap.org/faq/data/cache/591.html [07:05] cn=foo,dc=subdomain,dc=example,dc=com,ou=DNS, [07:05] does that make sense? [07:05] zx10k1: i've seen this, but i was more looking for data structure. [07:06] Zordrak: somewhat yes. [07:06] well that probably depends on the structure of your organization [07:06] then each cn contains records relevant to that host including ip, mac, etc [07:06] simplified: [07:06] another option would be to bind DNS records to departments and then bind computers to departments too [07:07] ie have an attribute on the computer objectClass that says which depertment that computer belongs [07:07] take baseDN.. create ou just for this DNS store system, then create a dc for the TLD, put a domain dc inside it... then put the hosts in that and if you have subdomain hosts put them in another dc inside that [07:07] zx10k1: i sort-of wanted to do such thing with people, but umm ... i think i did the plan is to use ou attribute. [07:08] s/i did// [07:08] stybla, eg? [07:10] fgdfas (n=dfgdf@91-114-226-247.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [07:10] zx10k1: uid=foo,ou=people,dc=domain,dc=tld; and then there is attribute: ou='ou=dept,dc=domain,dc=tld' [07:10] ew [07:10] :s [07:10] and what if someone changes department? [07:10] you'll have to change the DN too [07:10] thats what groups are for [07:10] which is bad for numerous reasons [07:11] like in a relational database you have another tablre that links enities from different datasets [07:11] _attribute_, ou is not in dn [07:11] ooops [07:11] you have a groups ou containing containers that link other objects together [07:12] i have to get into ldap terminology - pretty much into any terminology :( [07:13] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-e2c67e9142818cd9) joined ##slackware. [07:13] Shuren (n=Devilman@host118-171-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:14] Action: stybla scrolls back [07:15] zx10k1: are you going to hang around here? [07:16] for another 20 mins, then will be back again later [07:17] ok. i'll read some rfc_s and probably thought those apps to get some ideas about attrs and data structures. [07:17] you can usually find me in here around that time if you need anything [07:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-8-80.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:17] :-) [07:17] ok [07:17] pri4pus (n=Mutinus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [07:18] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-104-48.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [07:19] Action: stybla inspects djbdns data structure [07:19] Nick change: Tyrael -> Tyrael_ [07:20] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-104-48.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:22] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:22] Vi^3PirePengy (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [07:22] zx10k1, Zordrak >> i'm just wondering for how long is your experience with LDAP? [07:24] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [07:25] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:26] stybla, we have implemented an LDAP centric identity management system here [07:26] with LDAP integrated services and such stuff [07:27] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Client Quit [07:27] paissad_ (n=paissad@12.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [07:28] rucinter (n=quassel@86.122.14.1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:29] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8b61451f08c6f808) joined ##slackware. [07:30] CtrlAltCa (n=kvirc@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [07:30] isn't root user meant to be part of the "power" group? [07:31] it causes some problems in power management, expecially when dbus doesn't let your power daemons use cpufreq [07:34] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.199.112) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:35] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:36] inahurry (i=bcirap@ariel.minilab.bdeb.qc.ca) joined ##slackware. [07:38] whiskers- (n=whiskers@unaffiliated/sniffle) joined ##slackware. [07:38] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:38] hi, has anybody attempted to install latest nvidia drivers on slackware64-current? when I do # sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-180.51-pkg2.run and the installer script opens up, the text is all garbled and unreadable [07:38] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[07:41] btw, I tried your script iso creation script last night and everything went smooth, thank you for that too [07:41] -script (sorry, didn't have coffee this morning) [07:41] mornin [07:41] mrnin [07:41] I only had one yet.. which reminds me... [07:41] Brb [07:41] mornin [07:41] Hi test [07:41] hi.. [07:41] lol, good morning [07:42] good day alienBOB, straterra:) [07:43] meh [07:43] today sucks [07:43] blah work on 2hrs of sleep in 2days =\ [07:43] hope you're not a pilot [07:43] what's up straterra? [07:43] CtrlAltCa (n=kvirc@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [07:44] nix_chix0r: baby keeping you up? I remember those days. [07:44] baby is keeping me and the gf up :/ [07:45] ah [07:45] nightmares ftl [07:45] sorry to hear that [07:45] at least you don't have to do any physical work as you stay awake so long [07:45] yeah and i went from working nights all week to working a morning shift today and friday since my boss is out camping this weekend and her daughter watches the baby [07:45] so i got home at little after 1am and i work at 830 today but have to leave in a few min:P [07:46] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [07:46] zx10k1, Zordrak > may be, i could define my "own" schema to fill up the blanks. couple aux objects (yes, i've already asked IANA for PEN). [07:47] whiskers- (n=whiskers@unaffiliated/sniffle) left irc: "-" [07:47] zx10k1: especially for all those dns-ldap apps - they are using own schema, which i don't like [idea] too much. [07:47] aaaarrrgggghhhh, hang in there, straterra, nix_chix0r, it gets better. Well....maybe not. I've got a 14 year old teenager living here.....absolute bandwidth hog:) [07:47] i only read one thing bosses daughter ;) [07:47] hitest, use your skills to limit that shit [07:48] heh [07:48] my dad did:)) [07:48] yeah, I should [07:48] i would play c.s all day if i could [07:48] I should call in today [07:48] fgdfas (n=dfgdf@91-114-226-247.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Leaving" [07:49] well off i go.. joy might get a redbull [07:49] we have a holliday today so no work :) [07:49] I do insist that she logs off from Gaii and youtube by 10:00. [07:50] sh0ne (n=Unknown@79.101.217.85) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:50] today is not worked here either :) [07:50] (anyway, I was already on holidays ;) ) [07:50] lol [07:50] I think I spelled that stupid on-line universe wrong.....Gaiaii. bleck [07:51] I had school on Monday and Wednesday, I skipped these two days and got 9 days of holidays \o/ [07:52] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-e2c67e9142818cd9) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:52] good for you [07:53] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:53] hiya frullet) [07:54] hitest: hey mate, hows it? [07:54] it goes quite well, frullet, ty:) I'm swamped with paperwork, but, I'm okay. you? [07:54] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@200.140.247.98) joined ##slackware. [07:55] hitest: yeh cant complain, the missus is on her way over so ill have something to do for the next few hours ;) [07:55] :) [07:57] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [07:57] brb [07:57] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Client Quit [07:57] k [07:58] Nick change: thrice`_ -> thrice` [08:00] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:02] paissad (n=paissad@12.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:03] makerc (n=makerc@201-42-172-95.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:03] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [08:05] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) joined ##slackware. [08:07] Nick change: Vi^3PirePengy -> VampirePenguin [08:07] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [08:09] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [08:09] whats new in slackware64? will my machine be in better shape than on 12.2v slack? [08:10] nvision (n=nvision@g229175042.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [08:10] pupit, depends on how much ram you have, and how cpu intensive your use is [08:11] i have 2gb ram and sometimes i run virtual machine [08:11] well [08:12] i wouldnt run 64 bit on less than 2 gigs [08:12] 64 bit uses more memory [08:12] straterra: isnt that a bit overkill? [08:13] is what overkill? [08:13] i've read about that on chanell about more memory use.. [08:13] s/read/red [08:13] 64 bit will give you generally more performance as you have more general use registers [08:13] straterra: 2GB [08:14] no.. [08:14] not by any means [08:14] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [08:14] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:14] I wish my workstation at work could take more memory [08:14] it's not much more ram usage - you'd probably be fine at a gig [08:14] its maxed out at 8 and its not enough [08:14] on 32 bit, even with KDE4 all up and running, multiple browser windows, thunderbird, amarok skype 9 desktops etc etc im still only just edging over 1GB used RAM [08:14] my loaded XFCE desktop uses another 100mb or so of ram (rough guess) [08:15] and thats with 4 available [08:15] straterra: wow! and how big is swap usage? [08:15] when it ran linux, I was heavy in swap all the time [08:15] straterra: wtf are you running? cadence semiconductor simulations?! [08:15] xfce on 32-bit (with browsers, terminals, etc) used 300MB or so, and now about 400mb on 64-bit [08:15] No.. [08:15] straterra: yeah, waht does it run.. [08:16] what* [08:16] vm's, some custom apps [08:16] some custom apps with extrewe wmemory leaks? [08:16] No [08:16] large data sets != memory leak [08:17] straterra: so, there is a raid there? [08:17] I run raid on that machine, yes [08:17] ok [08:17] straterra: my point is.. if you run apps that require large chunks of ram like sims.. then 32 or 64.. youre gonna need a lot of ram.. but i wouldhnt say you need 2GB to run slack64 [08:18] I didnt say that [08:18] straterra is just suggesting more.. [08:18] I said from my experience, I wouldn't run 64 bit on less than 2gb [08:18] s/need/ought to have/ [08:18] id say < 4 [08:18] O_o [08:18] casue 3 is the 32 bit limit [08:19] no..4 gb is [08:19] 4gb total memory is the limit [08:19] 3.5 depending on haw you define m and b [08:19] you often see 3 because of other memory devices in the system [08:19] depends on whom/how they compiled kernel [08:19] no.. [08:20] you see less than 4 because of things like videocards [08:20] the 32-bit limit without pxe is 4gb [08:20] im just saying that.. depending on what the machine will be doing.. you could easily run 64bit on 512MB RAM and have all that you need [08:21] Zordrak: uf [08:21] uf+ [08:21] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [08:21] ? [08:21] uhm.. [08:21] 512? no thanks [08:21] uhm* [08:21] 512? too little for my needs [08:21] linux and its often accompaning apps arent too slim these days [08:22] yeah.. but thats my point.. it depends on your needs... slack is happy with it... but you andh your apps may not be [08:22] http://www.scribd.com/doc/363677/Benchmarks-AMD64-in-32bit-mode-vs-64bit-mode-Ubuntu [08:22] inahurry: there ya go :D [08:23] a small network dhcp server for example... if you turn off all unnecessary services/daemons... it really doesnt need much at all [08:24] pri4pus (n=Mutinus@87.248.164.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:24] vvoody (n=vvoody@116.225.17.222) joined ##slackware. [08:24] my freenas box runs 19 processes, and it has smb, ssh and webserver gooing, / is only 512mb with 38% use [08:24] runs at 285mhz [08:25] usually [08:25] unrelated point is unrelated [08:25] thrice`: lawl [08:26] it's all upside-down-face [08:26] .....but we speak about personal computers, where u do all the nasty work whats on your mind including some games, vm-s etc... so its better with more than 2gb, i agree with straterra.... [08:26] vvoody (n=vvoody@116.225.17.222) left irc: "upgrade weechat~~" [08:27] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:27] pupit: you've just made my poiunt.. it depends on your purpose.. hence not generalising about specific needs for an OS [08:27] thats right [08:28] What does a 1 gig stick of ddr2 cost like 20 bucks, so why not at least fill all the slots. [08:28] jeanpimentel (n=chatzill@189.107.66.112) joined ##slackware. [08:29] jeanpimentel (n=chatzill@189.107.66.112) left ##slackware. 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(i didn't scroll *that* back) [08:42] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:43] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:43] Until about a month ago, I used to have 2GB of RAM (1x2), I got 4 sticks of 2GB PC8500, it does wonders [08:43] Mem: 8302956k total, 3765108k used, 4537848k free [08:43] heh [08:43] stybla: No it wasn't but it is now. :P [08:44] clavius (n=James@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [08:45] XGizzmo_: i rather went for one 4GB stick, to be honest. [08:45] 16GB would be cool [08:46] 4x4 [08:46] Arirang: yeah, run / in a ramdisk. :) [08:46] :D [08:48] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.5) joined ##slackware. [08:48] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:48] i can do that even now :P [08:48] Action: stybla has small / [08:49] christian (n=christia@kobz-590ef71d.pool.einsundeins.de) left ##slackware. [08:49] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:49] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [08:50] nvision (n=nvision@g229175042.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [08:50] good morning Geeks... many here using bluewhite64 ? [08:50] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8b61451f08c6f808) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [08:50] If they are we can hunt them down and gut them like a deer. [08:50] :) [08:50] prefers slamd64 ... [08:51] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:51] why not slackware64 ? :) [08:51] Im using bluewhite64 [08:51] thrice`: most need the 32bit compatability ;P [08:51] sorenp1 (n=Soren@m83-188-196-198.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [08:52] thrice`, it's not multilib [08:52] Thing may change [08:52] +s [08:52] I might go to Slack 64 on my next 'upgrade' [08:52] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:52] Arirang: isn't it? :\ [08:52] evo- (n=evo@a89-182-192-152.net-htp.de) left irc: "Don't mind your make-up, make your mind up!" [08:53] slackware64 has the ability to run 32bit apps, but has none of the 32bit compat libs [08:53] iirc [08:53] Arirang: it should support 32-bit libs just fine [08:53] I had used Slamd64 from a long time... but now I believe I would not change my bluewhite64 [08:54] when I install the nvidia drivers, it asks if I want 32bit opengl compat libs [08:54] well, we wont' judge you :D [08:54] roorah (n=foo@87.244.223.14) joined ##slackware. [08:54] (ok, we definitely will) [08:54] more faster [08:54] is this strictly for gaming? [08:54] inahurry: mostly yes [08:54] AbsTradELic: faster? [08:54] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.12) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:54] heh [08:54] How many times have I heard that excuse? [08:55] fast [08:55] fastest [08:55] X:P [08:55] o.O [08:55] you do realize the speed of your "distro" depends mainly on your hardware right? [08:55] AbsTradELic: can you provide some proof or evidence ? [08:56] the drawback for me with Blue 64 was pacman [08:56] Dominian: yea... but memory consume make diferences too [08:56] in this case [08:56] eh [08:56] InspectorCluseau: huh? [08:57] InspectorCluseau: afaik, bw64 doesn' tuse pacman [08:58] nvision (n=nvision@g229175042.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [08:59] the 32 bits compatibility in bw64 work with less memory consume [08:59] XGizzmo_: some computers cant support that much RAM.. they are called "Not Brand New"... theyre special, you may not have heard of them before... [08:59] roorah_ (n=foo@87.244.223.14) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:59] That makes no sense AbsTradELic [08:59] bw64 is a ripoff [08:59] If it is 64bit it cant be that old [09:00] [z]imba (n=zimba@116.68.101.165) joined ##slackware. [09:00] AbsTradELic: it's quite obvious you have no clue what you're talking about [09:00] Dominian: believe... look for compatibility series from boths [09:00] AbsTradELic: Stop while you're semi-ahead. [09:00] AbsTradELic: You're digging your hole even deeper. [09:00] AbsTradELic: please provide truth or evidence, otherwise stop trolling [09:01] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:01] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A73F1A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:01] [z]imba (n=zimba@116.68.101.165) left irc: "Leaving" [09:01] Dominian: with his troll shovel. [09:02] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [09:02] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:02] greetings [09:02] XGizzmo_: I'm not phased. [09:02] the release of slackware64 has them rattled ;) [09:02] rhys (n=Sam_Rhys@129.22.192.110) joined ##slackware. [09:02] Dominian: I hate all those ripoffs [09:03] thumbs: Well, how about we just drop it.. get back to ##slackware matters [09:03] :) [09:03] Dominian: OK [09:03] I've been looking through the source of slackware64 along with, I'm sure fred and a few others have... appears that 32bit will work fine.. but from what thrice` mentioned to me.. no -m32 ability in gcc.. but that's easily fixed :P [09:04] thrice`: I might just do that.. install slackware64 and rebuild gcc :P [09:04] XGizzmo_: 2003+ [09:04] is glibc capable ? [09:04] thrice`: crap.. didn't look at that yet [09:04] thrice`: damn you! [09:04] :) [09:05] I'll look at that later [09:05] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [09:06] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042315]" [09:09] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:09] sorenp (n=Soren@m83-188-207-81.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:11] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [09:11] sorenp1 (n=Soren@m83-188-196-198.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:21] rhys (n=Sam_Rhys@129.22.192.110) left ##slackware. [09:22] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [09:22] hey [09:23] Day 4..... [09:24] greetings compl3x, Zordrak [09:24] Day 4? [09:24] hey slackytude - sup man? [09:24] funhouse day 4 [09:24] Zordrak: Still? :o [09:24] compl3x, still ill, but I live [09:24] slackytude: haha get well soon :p [09:24] you? [09:25] Im working on that [09:25] antoniof2lixes (n=antoniof@82.198.98.101) joined ##slackware. [09:25] Hello [09:25] slackytude: just chilling with a smoke [09:25] nice [09:25] hey antoniof2lixes [09:25] :P [09:25] ¿Hablas castellano? [09:26] Action: compl3x only remembers how to say the time in spannish .. [09:26] que hora es :p [09:27] 15:27 [09:27] xD! [09:27] haha antoniof2lixes was that right? [09:27] oh and i remember -donde esta :p [09:28] Disculpa, no entiendo muy bien el ingles. [09:28] Tengo un problema con cups [09:28] antoniof2lixes: ¡no! [09:28] ¿Alguien me puede echar una mano? [09:29] jo entiendo espaniol [09:29] solo ingles [09:29] problem with cups? [09:29] ckt1g3r: the yo was superfluous [09:29] and misspelled :) [09:30] Lo siento, no puedo comunicarme con el ingles por ahora. [09:30] Lo siento por "incumplir" las normas de hablar solo en ingles. [09:30] Hasta pronto. [09:30] antoniof2lixes , what is your problem ? que es tu problema ? [09:30] something about cups :p [09:31] intentez ##slackware-br [09:31] #slackware-es [09:32] usted podriaz encontrar algunos en espanol existe [09:32] zodrak the br is portuguese brasil not spanish :) [09:32] ckt1g3r: does it exist? [09:32] ckt1g3r: yeah... but you're more likely to find spanish speakers in there than in here [09:32] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: Client Quit [09:32] yes , obvious :) [09:33] hence the recommendation [09:33] yes exist slackware-es , here in freenode [09:33] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) left irc: "leaving" [09:33] wow.. #slackware-es DOES exist [09:33] He intentado en los canales de habla hispana pero no responden, slackware-es, linux-es y linux-malaga. [09:34] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:34] thats too bad [09:34] antoniof2lixes: lo siento [09:34] and #slackware-br ? [09:34] antoniof2lixes ,esplica tu duvida [09:34] ingles o nada [09:35] antoniof2lixes (n=antoniof@82.198.98.101) left irc: "leaving" [09:35] bueno [09:35] lol [09:36] and dago is my fourth best language :) [09:38] N3mZ (i=501@unaffiliated/nemesis128) joined ##slackware. [09:38] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) left irc: Client Quit [09:41] zx10k1 (n=nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) left irc: "Leaving" [09:43] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:49] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:53] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:55] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:55] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.129.222) left irc: "Leaving" [09:56] time cat /dev/urandom | grep ass Binary file (standard input) matches real 0m0.148s [09:56] woo [09:56] drunk? [09:57] lol no [09:57] proves there's an ass even in random :) [09:58] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) joined ##slackware. [09:59] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:59] greetings. [09:59] how are you doing today guys? [09:59] friday is near...and weekend is starting :) yuupi [09:59] The-Croupier, doing fine :) [09:59] glad to hear that [09:59] ;) [10:00] trolling around here and there :) [10:00] sounds like fun ;) even trolling has some nice info sometimes ;) [10:01] !topic! [10:01] !topic [10:01] damn ,.... i typed / topic and it says insufficient parameters [10:01] inahurry (i=bcirap@ariel.minilab.bdeb.qc.ca) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.20/2008121709]" [10:01] eh. works in xchat. [10:02] Works in irssi too [10:02] hiya straterra [10:02] Hi [10:03] doesnt work on this this pc for some reason the bastard...:( its alright.. could someone paste the link for the logs for the channel please... [10:03] maybe use no space between your slash and the command? ;) [10:03] yo The-Croupier [10:03] slava_dp, i did that so that it doesnt get it as a command :p [10:03] hiya slackytude, hows you today [10:04] \topic [10:04] still kinda ill [10:04] how are you? [10:05] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:05] im pissed off... really i have a Toshiba Satellite M70 which shuts down on me every like 3minutes [10:05] Get a new power brick [10:05] i have a date to go at 5pm and its 5.10pm here [10:05] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:05] straterra, thats the point..its the bosses and he is sooo fond of this crap [10:06] The-Croupier, you are late [10:06] slackytude, no shit [10:06] Better than your date being late [10:06] straterra, there is no date if you are late ;) [10:06] what kind of date? [10:06] A date with Dr. Love [10:06] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:07] he wants me install windows on this crap.... and he doesnt allow me to use livecd to run memtest or something to see what is wrong [10:07] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:07] so fucking annoying... [10:07] duryodhan (n=duryodha@nat/yahoo/x-af920cfc93f88963) joined ##slackware. [10:07] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [10:08] braqoon (n=braqoon@gatekeeper.office.dialogue.net.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:08] also, i am on work laptop...cannot run irssi,xchat or anything like that..so i run freenode.java chat that is not letting me see the topic which i wanted to search for something the other day [10:08] as you can see... all is good ;) [10:08] try mibbit [10:08] its quite good [10:08] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-35-37.lns3.bne1.internode.on.net) left ##slackware. [10:08] <_arfon_> Soooo, obviously, it takes awhile for news to reach me.... Now that Slackware 64 is out, what's going to happen to Slamd64? [10:08] slackytude, used to use that ...but lots of wnkers used to joing and make a mess then the guys banned it ... [10:09] <_arfon_> You killing it Fred? [10:09] so i couldnt be bothered to wait for it...so i joined freenode.net straight away;) [10:09] The-Croupier, I use mibbit all the time, it works [10:09] slackytude, hmmm ok ;) [10:10] _arfon_: summary: "not yet but time will tell" [10:10] goes i looked online for step by step Toshiba Satellite M70 disassemble this crap ...but i found only this.. [10:10] http://www.irisvista.com/tech/laptops/Toshiba-Satellite-M70/remove-laptop-motherboard-4.htm [10:11] hi, i had to do mirror image of old server. I did all with tar, but i didn't copied /dev & /proc . i got a Raid 1 setup, and managed to get lilo installed properly . My problem is that system when it's boot up don't see raid setup. Any way to fix it ? [10:11] the cpu-fan is the one i need..but i cannot find it anywhere...:( anybody ever seen one around? [10:11] <_arfon_> Well, I don't know how this will play out but I LOVE Slamd64 [10:11] <_arfon_> I hate to see it die. [10:11] _arfon_, maybe its not [10:11] <_arfon_> Maybe he can make up an African word/name and create hi own fork. :) [10:11] maybe they are going to put them together somehow..like marry them and stuff [10:11] ;) [10:12] <_arfon_> May build lots of packages and dumb it down fopr the great un-washed. [10:12] boot screen on this laptop says: " in touch with tomorrow" ;) lol [10:13] The-Croupier: can it get me the formula one results? [10:14] <_arfon_> Any ideas why Patrick didn't just anoint Slamd64 as the OFFICIAL 64 bit slackware version? [10:14] Zordrak, i will tell you only this: im installing windowsxp on it ;) now make your own assumptions [10:14] _arfon_: afaik slack64 == slack32 recompile != slamd64 [10:15] _arfon_: IE centos == rhel recompile != fedora [10:15] Zordrak, could elaborate on that please? [10:16] slack64 == slack32 recompile != slamd64 WHAT do you mean by this? can you give us more info on this? [10:16] <_arfon_> Any ideas on the differences of Slack64 and Slamd? Meaning: What's the benefit of one over the other? [10:16] i read the site? but didnt get much...:( [10:16] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:16] v4nelle, long time no see man..hows it going? [10:16] did you guys know that the armed slack port is now an official port too [10:17] Meckafet1 (i=meckafet@c193-150-245-20.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [10:17] _arfon_, slamd64 is multilib out-of-the-box, slackware64 isn't and won't be able to run 32bit apps out-of-the-box [10:17] Action: _arfon_ is waiting for the Z80 port.... [10:17] <_arfon_> Well, to hell with Slack64 then! [10:17] <_arfon_> I'm sticking to Slamd [10:17] slackytude, I knew the 390 was official, I didn't know the armed one was [10:18] 02-Apr-2009 [10:18] And today Patrick Volkerding knighted ARMedslack as the official Slackware port to ARM! [10:18] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.117.186) left irc: Connection timed out [10:18] http://www.armedslack.org/ [10:18] Camarade_Tux: it wont' be able to run? [10:18] Meckafett (i=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:18] <_arfon_> It does my herat good to see Slackware expanding [10:18] <_arfon_> heart even [10:20] thrice`, it doesn't have the 32bit libs so unless the app is completely statically linked, it won't run [10:21] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [10:21] why do you even need 32 bit apps on a 64 bit system? [10:22] i don't get the poing [10:22] <_arfon_> Oh my, what aquestion [10:22] s/poing/point [10:22] <_arfon_> I have found several apps that won't compile in 64 [10:22] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [10:22] <_arfon_> It's been WONDERFUL just to slap a 32bit app on the box and have it run [10:22] <_arfon_> Fred = God [10:23] No.. [10:23] ok, so it's a convenience issue [10:23] he isn't [10:23] <_arfon_> Correction... Patrick = God... Fred = god (minor) [10:23] well, who knows. he might [10:23] No.. [10:23] <_arfon_> Tomas? [10:23] <_arfon_> Is he god then? [10:23] Pat and/or Fred are not gods [10:24] how do you know? [10:24] <_arfon_> In my religion they are [10:24] ever seen them bleed? [10:24] Because they bleed and piss like men [10:24] they have penises [10:24] Gods dont need penises [10:24] straterra weighs in with his size 12s like usual... [10:24] <_arfon_> United Church of Latter Day Slackers [10:24] that doesnt prove anything [10:24] Camarade_Tux: it should support 32-bit libraries OK [10:24] <_arfon_> They are part of the Trinity [10:24] it doesn't PROVIDE them, but they should run [10:25] <_arfon_> Oh, I imagine they have HUGE penises [10:25] wtf? [10:25] lmao [10:25] lol [10:25] <_arfon_> (They may not use them much because they are nerds,but, I'm sure they have em) [10:25] thrice`, it does but it won't run your apps without you adding the libs [10:25] you mean, it won't work unless you install them ? [10:25] O'RLY [10:26] O YEAH [10:26] sorry, I always got it wrong : YA RLY :) [10:27] hehe [10:27] <_arfon_> Since when do you need libs to run apps???? Did I miss that meeting? [looks around] [10:27] care for your memes [10:27] _arfon_, since ever [10:28] <_arfon_> :) [10:28] you can statically link but that's pretty uncommon [10:28] _arfon_, just delete some random stuff from /lib and /usr/lib and see what happens [10:28] <_arfon_> I've done that many times! [10:28] fred (n=fred@slamd64/fred) left ##slackware ("*sigh*"). [10:28] _arfon_ smokes some bad stuff I guess [10:28] or libc.so.6 ? :D [10:28] alienBOB, and who doesnt [10:28] :p [10:28] <_arfon_> Watch, I'll do it now an [10:28] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) left irc: "Leaving." [10:28] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [10:28] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-135-89.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [10:29] it won't make you crash under linux actually :P [10:29] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176087090.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:29] <_arfon_> I crack myself up... [10:30] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [10:30] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:30] <_arfon_> My head, the happiest place in this room [10:30] slackware on mobile..??? is it possible... [10:30] define mobile [10:30] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [10:31] mobile = car [10:31] mobile phone motorolla a1200 [10:31] slackytude, btw, does "any" mean anything specific in python ? (especially w.r.t. the types) [10:31] The-Croupier, unlikely [10:32] Camarade_Tux, http://docs.python.org/library/functions.html [10:32] True if any of the iterable is true [10:32] The-Croupier, maybe actually (it has an XScale so ARM so slackedarm could work) [10:33] slackedarm lol [10:33] armedslack ^-^ [10:33] The-Croupier, try it, it might work [10:33] or maybe not [10:33] maybe it's gonna be too much for the poor lil phone [10:34] it's not the size of the ship but the motion of the ocean ;) [10:34] slackedarm hehe :p [10:34] how much ram ? [10:35] 128MB for storage :) [10:35] <_arfon_> Can anyone answer a SSL/perl question? [10:35] I'd rather try netbsd ;) [10:36] FBSD [10:37] so armdslack and ;) [10:37] Camarade_Tux, thanks ..again thanks guys [10:39] nvision (n=nvision@g229175042.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:39] <_arfon_> No SSL/Perl guys here? [10:40] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-176-212.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:42] OOHO SSL AND PERL [10:43] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176067162.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:44] <_arfon_> OOHO? Is that African for "marginal Linux Distro"? [10:44] _arfon_: unless you actually *ask* your question, no one is going to answer [10:44] braqoon (n=braqoon@gatekeeper.office.dialogue.net.uk) left ##slackware. [10:44] <_arfon_> I asked two questions and no one answered.... [10:44] Oh.. I'll answer alright.. won't be the answer he wants though ;) [10:44] <_arfon_> If two don't get answered, I don't have much faith in a 3rd [10:45] it is possible that there are no ssl/perl people in the house. [10:45] <_arfon_> Okay, here's the Q... [10:45] _arfon_: asking to ask is not a question [10:45] there are no ssl/perl people in existence [10:45] s#ssl/## [10:45] how are they releated [10:45] are there any dos/gnumeric people around? [10:46] I would guess that it has to do with the way perl implements or uses ssl. [10:46] <_arfon_> Okay, HERE'S the Q.... [10:46] im doubtful [10:46] i think arfon smokes rocks [10:47] bye bye [10:47] <_arfon_> Right now, I use initd to accept incomming connections and pass data to a perl script via STDIO [10:47] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) left ##slackware. [10:47] ... [10:47] <_arfon_> If I want to accept SSL connections, can I use initd or openssl or what? [10:48] brilliant query my boy! [10:48] i'll consult the queen! [10:48] lol [10:49] _arfon_: I suspect you meant "inetd" instead of initd? [10:49] Action: chowabunga saves last bullet for himself [10:49] <_arfon_> SELECT answer FROM #slackware_tribal_knowledge WHERE question LIKE 'SSL' ORDER BY smartass_replies [10:49] <_arfon_> How's that query? :) [10:49] And what does this have to do with perl? [10:49] lol [10:49] <_arfon_> I'm trying to pass the data to a Perl script [10:49] '%SSL%' [10:50] <_arfon_> Thanks rk4 [10:50] So? Perl should not know how it got the data [10:50] :) [10:50] _arfon_> you are insane [10:50] <_arfon_> Thanks Chow :) [10:50] _arfon_: again - I suspect you meant "inetd" instead of initd? [10:50] <_arfon_> Yes... [10:50] <_arfon_> My mistake [10:50] :) [10:50] Yeah [10:51] Use stunnel to take care of the ssl decryption [10:51] <_arfon_> It's "one of those in%td".... [10:51] alienBOB: funny how *n?x makes you a spelling nazi inadvertently [10:51] <_arfon_> Stunnel eh? I haven't played with that before... [10:51] _arfon_: if you feed incorrect data you will not get valid feedback [10:52] vastina: same as for _arfon_ [10:52] <_arfon_> Me? [10:52] <_arfon_> I play fast and loose with spelling... [10:52] FAIL [10:52] :) [10:52] <_arfon_> Heck, I'm lucky if my grammar is even close! [10:52] And you lost my sympathy with the "to hell with slackware64" anyway [10:53] <_arfon_> awwww [10:53] Being it's creator [10:53] <_arfon_> tHAT MAKES ME SAD [10:53] alienBOB: it's nice to see you occasiona/lly go off on one :) keep it up [10:54] /me takes a walk across a long pier [10:54] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:54] <_arfon_> Oh BOB, it's okay... [10:54] slackware64 ? [10:54] rk4n3: /topic [10:54] rk4n3: yes. [10:54] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:54] <_arfon_> Don't feel hurt, I consider you in my pantheon of Slack gods... [10:54] Action: rk4n3 is interested [10:55] ExDiv (n=ExDiv@93-97-190-32.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:56] vvoody (n=vvoody@116.225.17.222) joined ##slackware. [10:56] !!! [10:56] wow [10:56] cool [10:56] the news apparently spread at a slow pace among the community..... [10:57] <_arfon_> It's kinda exciting rk4, now we have a retort to the Gentoo/Ubuntu/Debian twerps when they say that Slackware doesn't have a 64bit version. [10:57] ... I'm probably just rather "disconnected" [10:57] chowabunga: If we had been gambling on the goodness of the q, I'd owe you a beer :P [10:58] eviljames> are there any visualbasic/opengl people around? [10:59] chowabunga: I need to make a gui to track the ip address. [10:59] CSI is garbage lol [10:59] hahaha truth. [10:59] slava_dp, its a slacker community [11:00] greetings rk4n3 [11:00] hey slackytude - what's shakin ? [11:01] BixBox (n=XSE@61.247.22.127) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:01] not to much. got some virus that keeps me occupied [11:01] a real world one that is [11:01] all else is well, tho [11:01] haha - a wetware virus ? :) [11:01] heh, yeah [11:02] off to work.....later folks:) [11:02] how about you? [11:02] I'm coming up on a vacation next week [11:02] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@200.140.247.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:02] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:02] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427151.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:02] ... that's a stay-at-home, sleep in alot, work on personal computing projects style of vacation :) [11:03] sounds great ^-^ [11:03] nvision (n=nvision@g229175042.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:03] yeah, I'm excited [11:03] sounds like order-pizza vacation, too [11:03] possiblyevenBBQ [11:03] possibly even BBQ [11:03] oh yeah, definitely [11:03] slackytude, slacker community...... heh that's a good expression. [11:03] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427151.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:04] ah great [11:04] thunderstorm coming [11:04] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@200.140.247.98) joined ##slackware. [11:05] probably gonna lose connection [11:06] if the system is compiling something and i do a suspend to disk then resume, will the resulting binary be runnable? :) [11:07] <_arfon_> I've had that fail [11:07] just ctrl z it first [11:08] chowabunga, great. ctrl+z did not come to my mind. thanks. [11:08] eviljames: use python instead of visual basic [11:08] ? [11:09] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "goodbye" [11:10] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176067162.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [11:10] Action: Camarade_Tux kicks slackytude without reason [11:10] ouch [11:10] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [11:10] LOL!!! [11:11] WASHINGTON ? President Obama told human rights advocates at the White House on Wednesday that he was mulling the need for a ?preventive detention? system that would establish a legal basis for the United States to incarcerate terrorism suspects who are deemed a threat to national security but cannot be tried, two participants in the private session said. [11:11] why cant they be tried? [11:11] no evidence against them [11:12] or they are fbi informants? [11:12] besides, I thought there were special rules for suspected terrorists already [11:12] in some cases, it'a a matter of getting the _valid_ evidence that can be used at trial [11:12] s/suspected terrorists/though criminals/ [11:12] criminals get legal rights that the obama administration is trying to stretch in order to hold them for longer than the current law allows [11:13] its not about criminals, its about suspects [11:13] thought criminal [11:14] and the law requires that they be ready for trial within a spercific time period, otherwise they walk. obama want's to extend the timeframe for suspected terrorists [11:14] whoa [11:15] big lightning [11:15] bigger kaboom too [11:15] aye [11:15] pretty near [11:15] guess some tree exploded or something [11:15] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) left irc: "‚»" [11:16] vvoody (n=vvoody@116.225.17.222) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.2" [11:17] alisonken1home, your explanation doesnt sound at all like what chowabunga pasted [11:17] its called fascism with a smiley face, get used to it [11:17] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:17] slackytude: reread the sentence [11:18] you said its about extending the timeframe a suspect has to ready for trial? [11:18] fred (n=fred@slamd64/fred) joined ##slackware. [11:18] dont forget, we also have mandatory volunteerism now [11:20] extending the timeframe that a trial would be required for suspected terrorists. [11:20] you shall see it all fall into place [11:20] whether it's a specific timeframe or an unspecified timeframe would have to be negotiated by the administration - and get it past the human rights people as well [11:20] then they would have to get house and congress to amend the law [11:20] lol today they decided to arrest 4 "tersts" that the fbi had been leading on and giving weapons/fake bombs to...just in time for obama to talk about terrorism :P [11:21] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:22] woohoo! the FSF just pwned Cisco into an agreement :-) [11:22] slackytude: and it's not " ... has to be ready for trial ..", the law as it stands says that incarcerated suspects have a right to a speedy trial, jus tlike everyone else is supposed to have. guatanamo bay is slightly different in that it's a military incarceration for (suspected and/or) war criminals - the law is a little more flexible for war criminals than standard criminals [11:23] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [11:23] alisonken1home, ah, now Im getting it [11:23] isn't the issue also that they are "unlawful combatants", which doesn't afford them coverage under any geneva convention policies, and definitely no US citizen "rights" etc... ? [11:23] alisonken1home, thx for being so verbose [11:24] rk4n3, yeah [11:24] "right to speedy trial" being specifically a US citizen right [11:24] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:24] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:24] rk4n3, which is kind of an excuse but well [11:24] rk4n3> uh...even americans can be detained as enemy combatants [11:24] not necessarily - what about illegal aliens? they still get a speedy trial [11:24] read the patriot act [11:24] rk4n3: yes, that provision makes sure there cant be distinguished between freedom fighters and terrorists [11:24] possibly, but I'd wonder about their "right" to it [11:24] alisonken1home, but that doesnt sound easy to be passed as a law. looks like a violation of the sixth to me [11:24] there are already americans detained for years without charges [11:25] the "right" is constitutional, not just citizen-oriented [11:25] I don't think the constitution pretends to apply itself to anyone but US citizens [11:25] yeah [11:25] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [11:25] in fact, its pretty much the definition of what US citizens are citizens *of* [11:25] so that means that if i go to the US i wont enjoy liberty of speech? [11:25] slackytude: well, that's the rub :) - but there are legal latitudes for war criminals - and they want to make terrorists as war criminals even if there's no declared war [11:25] anyone else is "out of scope" [11:26] i better stay at home then.. i happen to have a large mouth in the wrong situations :P [11:26] alisonken1home, that doesnt sound good. especially since we are still talking about suspects [11:26] dont worry, they will keep the illusion of democracy alive for those that are still asleep [11:26] macavity: you're *supposed* to ... whether its reality or not is another matter [11:26] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [11:27] slackytude: goes along with the patriot act - and people looking more at the " ... life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness .." without thinking aobut what that entails [11:28] well, its nice to see obama live up to the expectations [11:28] didnt he want an increase in war funding recently? [11:28] he got it too [11:28] alisonken1home: I'll admit freely that I probably should know more about the Patriot Act - in your opinion, does it preserve the constitution, or compromise it ? [11:29] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:29] compromise it [11:29] it was a knee-jerk reaction [11:29] read 1984 [11:29] 15 times [11:29] chowabunga: already have :) I probably need to read the Patriot Act [11:29] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:30] dont bother, there are too many tyrannical bills out there [11:30] rk4n3, that was a hugh, big, issue at the time. But the best counter argument against fears of it violating the constitution was, "nobody is really using it against good people anyway" [11:30] rk4n3: it preserves the illusion of the constitution - but in order for the constitution to mean anything, it has to extend to _everyone_. it's like the saying "I disagree with you, but I will defend your right to do that" [11:30] afaik it is an acronym, as it is properly spelled "PATRIOT Act" [11:30] RMS pronounces it pat-riot act :P [11:30] think of flag burning - it's not unconstitutional - bit it does show disrespect. [11:30] Pat Roit! [11:30] err [11:30] Pat Riot! [11:31] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:31] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151138048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:31] alisonken1home: it was Voltair who said that [11:31] 9/11 was a controlled demolition :P [11:31] alisonken1home: I wonder what is meant by "everyone" ... trying to extend the constituion over non-US citizens would be decidedly un-constitutional, that is that it would defy the intent of the framers [11:32] yep [11:32] rk4n3, no, it means, losing your rights when you are deemed a terrorists [11:32] terrorists make numerous references to the us constitution [11:32] A non-US-citizen doesn't *have* any rights to lose under the constitution [11:32] as someone pointed out, there are us citiziens who are treated as unlawful combatans as well [11:33] "we suspect you of terrorism, and by syspicion alone we can revoke your citezenship"? [11:33] ... yet, if we're talking about US citizens, then definitely that would be a problem (constitutionally) [11:33] and wiretap you [11:33] macavity, in a nutshell and as far as I can remeber [11:33] rk4n3: think of it this way - if you are legally in this country, then you get the same legal protections. period. if you're in the country illegally, I consider that a different matter, but the court system has already spoken on that issue as well [11:33] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.5) left irc: [11:33] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) joined ##slackware. [11:33] alisonken1home: ah, I follow you [11:34] you guys just wait for the staged internet 9/11 where they shut off the power grid and blame it on white alqueda or soemthing [11:34] and then construct a new tiered internet [11:34] just wait [11:34] slackytude: in that case the US is a police state with freedom-by-pendemoneum :P [11:34] internet's already tiered - I've found sometimes my hops go via england before they get upstate :) [11:35] wow - free packet vacations [11:35] macavity, some would agree, some would call you paranoid. [11:35] chowabunga: shut up already >.> [11:35] many countries have provions for martial law, tho. [11:35] slackytude: just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're _not_ out to get you :) [11:35] alisonken1home, heh [11:35] hey, just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're *not* out to get me :) [11:36] oh man [11:36] heh [11:36] heh, we have enough paranoid people in the US that get these stupid laws passed [11:36] alisonken1home: you beat me :) [11:36] slackytude: any law should be scrutinized from the "worst possible scenario" point of view.. as we dont *know* if we will have corrupt officers and/or politicians in the future [11:36] ;) [11:36] macavity: we don't now? [11:36] states can declare martial law too [11:36] <_arfon_> Macavity,, I think we pretty much DO know that [11:36] macavity, agreed. not many think that way, tho. nobody really cares [11:36] macavity: that's not the definition of "political power" tho [11:36] macavity: s#don't *know if#most likely will# [11:37] jeb bush declared martial law in florida in 2001 [11:37] slackytude: and if the law says "you have aaaal these freedoms.. unless we deside otherwise", then you effectively dont have those freedoms.. you lend them for the time being (as far as you know) [11:37] martial law can only be declared in specific circumstances, especially in the states. [11:38] macavity, yes, but there is opera on the telly [11:38] slackytude: id go so far as saying it is freedom by proxy [11:38] slackytude: "i have freedom because that guy over there doesnt think me a terrorist" [11:39] slackytude: and, as we allready established, the geneva provisions do not distringuish between freedom fighters and terrorists [11:39] we weren't supposed to declare war on iraq, but the UN backed down [11:39] the only difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorists is who's side is looking at it [11:39] slackytude: so in practice it becomes "i have freedom as long is i see eye to eye with that guy over there.. so he wont think me a terrorist" [11:39] a terrorits becomes a freedom figher if his side wins [11:40] no [11:40] that doesnt happen very often [11:40] sometimes [11:40] people have gotten the word "terrorist" totally wrong [11:40] french revolution [11:40] doesn't have to win, he's still a freedom fighter for the people that are rooting for him [11:40] most terrorists come from intelligence agencies trying to overthrow democractically elected leaders [11:40] they were not terrorists, as they did not use terror as a mean to win the battle [11:40] winners write history [11:41] the intel agencies just want chaos so they can push their schemes as a solution to the problemt hey created [11:41] Its actually all based on the sovereignty of nations - if a nation has recognized sovereignty, then it can maintain its own "standing army" ... only members of such an officially-recognized standing army of a recognized sovereign nation are covered by geneva conventions [11:41] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427151.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:41] terrorist [n]: a person who utilizes terror against the civilian citizens to apply pressure against the govnerment [11:41] geneva convention doesnt exist anymore [11:41] terrorist or not, if you're not part of a standing army, you don't have any rights under geneva convention [11:41] macavity, thats a nice textbook definition which doesnt apply to reality [11:41] actually chowabunga, it's not a solution to a problem, but a problem created to maintain a certain luxury (military spending, etc.) [11:42] geneva convention only covers declared wars last time I checked [11:42] declared war by a recognized nation [11:42] geneva convention ... international law ... international "rules of war", whatever - same things [11:42] the whole concept of war rules is kinda perverse to my eye, anyways [11:42] as if there was something civilized about it [11:43] not really - its simply "gentleman's agreement" on what counts as "bush league" or not [11:43] geneva convention is supposed to reduce attrocities like torture. [11:43] rules to war is like predators reading prey their last rites... [11:43] doesn't mean everyone subscribes to them [11:43] Native Americans did that [11:43] slackytude: the sole reason the IRA became a terrorist organisation was because of the pub/train bombings.. had they solely gone after military and govnerment installations/personel, they would have fully qualified as a guirilia army [11:43] (read prey their "last rights") [11:43] there are no rules of war [11:43] you can thank the british for such a stupid thought =p [11:44] and the french as well [11:44] america tortures now...everything is upside down, your reality is a delusion [11:44] chowabunga: oh yes.. there are rules.. and there are parties who dont think the rules apply to them :P [11:44] chowabunga: then go live on a distant island away from it [11:44] macavity, well, if I was a government dealing with people like that, Id bomb some civilians myself in their name. easy solved problem [11:44] and hope the nukes don't fail [11:44] nuremburg defense worked this time [11:45] "jsut following orders" and "just giving orders" protects you from any liability [11:45] think again [11:45] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.105.65) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:45] slackytude: yes, unfortunately... [11:45] it's no longer a matter of 'just following orders' [11:46] in my time in the army we were tought alot about what is a legal order and what is not [11:46] .. and how to deal with ilegal orders :P [11:46] shoot your commanding officer :) [11:46] can you just say "that's illegal so I don't have to follow it" ? [11:47] nope [11:47] hmmm [11:47] "you sgt Bonehead, you're releaved of duty. Hands up!" [11:47] what do you do then ? [11:47] ah [11:47] you get thrown in prison and made a terrorist by the media [11:48] make sure you have a (valid is the only word I can think of) witness, give the reason for believing it's illegal, and you better make sure your ducks are in a row before doing that [11:48] if someone gives an illegal order, they're presumed unfit for command ? [11:48] yes [11:48] <_arfon_> Actually in that case.... You get relieved and then you let the military justice system work out if it was illegael or not [11:48] still doesn't mean your covered, though [11:48] I guess that makes sense [11:48] <_arfon_> Military Justice == you get reamed but, sometimes not [11:49] remember the miliitary is not a democracy - it's about discipline [11:49] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:49] indeed [11:49] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:49] Does the Identifier in xorg.conf matter what it says or can it be anything because its just to link things together in the file? [11:50] just links things - you can name the section anything you want, just make sure it's referenced properly [11:50] lf4: tip: if you want to understand xorg.conf, strip it of all comments and read it end to end a couple of times.. then everything becomes clear [11:50] Thats what I thought... thanks alisonken1home [11:50] some sections are mandatory and specific - but just make sure which ones are mandatory first [11:51] 'section display" comes to mind as one that's mandatory [11:51] <_arfon_> How illegal orders work: Someone orders you to do something (e.g. falsify a log). You refuse. They get someone else to and then find some other charge/incident to make your life hell. [11:51] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [11:51] macavity: mine doesnt have comments it pretty much makes sense I just was wondering. Plus man xorg.conf helped. [11:52] Mmm is there any package in slackware that provides X11/extensions/Xinerama.h? [11:52] lf4: yes, xorg.conf(5) is actually pretty well written [11:52] _arfon_: there are ways to get around that as well :) especially if you can prove that you were orded to do it [11:52] s/orded/ordered/ [11:52] <_arfon_> Not really [11:53] <_arfon_> The military is VERY clicquish [11:53] Zosma: xineramaproto [11:53] <_arfon_> (sp?) [11:53] <_arfon_> People protect their friends [11:53] _arfon_: close enough - and I spent 21 years in the navy [11:53] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:53] macavity: thanks [11:53] macavity: Yeah I agree. [11:53] afk [11:53] Strange, that Italian package browser couldn't find it. [11:54] <_arfon_> I did two enlistments in the Navy so I know how it works also [11:55] <_arfon_> The 'in crowd" in your division get the SWEET watch rotation, the "out crowd" get the 5&dimes [11:55] depends on how you handle it - I've refused before, but didn't get hell for it because of the way I refused [11:55] it goes both ways [11:56] lol @ navy [11:56] <_arfon_> How you handle it DOES make a big difference [11:57] comp_ (n=comp_@81.196.151.9) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:57] <_arfon_> I don't remember Seaman Lol Cylux but I see you have his e-mail [11:57] i dont know how it works on your side of the pond, but here, in any refusal due to unlawfullness of the order, an auditor is called in ASAP [11:57] macavity: close enough - remember, it depends on the circumstances as well [11:58] ive had an Sgt say to me "uhm.. i dont even know if i can tell you to do this, but we need this and that done, are you game?" [11:58] _arfon_: ? [11:58] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:58] less is more, but more more than more is, so more is less less, so use more less if you want less more. [11:58] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:59] tecky: you need another kind of medication :P [11:59] he speaks good logic :) [11:59] <_arfon_> Mac, if YOU make a claim against a superior, it will go up the food chain (usually to the Captain) and they decide whether to persue it, ignore it or pass it on to the Naval legal system. [11:59] qheutyu (n=huy@ti0095a340-dhcp0093.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [11:59] YEEEEEEEEEEEAHHHHHHHH!!! slackware64 [12:00] necropresto (n=necropre@unaffiliated/necropresto) joined ##slackware. [12:00] theblackbox (n=sam@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [12:00] _arfon_: ive have questioned the legality of an order twice, and both times it was retracted right away [12:00] fially - slackware 64 [12:00] _arfon_: simply "uhm, are you sure that is a legal order" did the trick [12:00] <_arfon_> That's the BEST possible outcome Mac [12:00] <_arfon_> ..and I have seen that work [12:01] <_arfon_> You aren't being confrontational [12:01] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A73F1A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:01] I wonder if this means my subscription will be slack32 or slack64 [12:01] _arfon_: one of the times i was right, and the other time he came back and said "actually that order was OK, but its good that you asked, as an officer should always be able to state why an order is legal" [12:02] or thereabouts [12:02] <_arfon_> Yep [12:02] as long as the bullets aren't flying :) [12:02] <_arfon_> You saved his butt once, I bet he was happy [12:02] _arfon_: in the danish army people dont yell at eachother.. it just doesnt work undre pressure :P [12:03] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-164-37.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [12:03] <_arfon_> Yeah, yelling is a bad situation [12:03] I worked under a captain that wasn't happy unless he was grumpy. And yes, he was not one of the better captains I worked for. [12:03] _arfon_: and orders are often given with a reason. eg: "we need to clear this up before the engenering team arives, so you you and you go do this and that" [12:03] <_arfon_> It either shows disrespect to a superior or bad management from a superior [12:03] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [12:04] macavity: ah, the "you just have voluntarily volunteered for this" approach. ;) [12:04] BP{k}: " You - your volunteered. Get busy" [12:04] how about waco/katrina [12:04] using armed troops against the civilians and taking guns [12:05] _arfon_: and even more often we get "we need to accomplish $FOO in a timely fashion, so team $BAR, go figure out how you will do that and get to work" [12:05] chowabunga: different situations [12:05] alisonken1home: aye. :-). Or as our Drill Sergeant was at the first day: "who brought a tootbrush" .. (of course there are always numpties who raise their hand): Sgt: "right yuo can start with cleaning the toilets" [12:05] BP{k}: or rather "we acknowledge that you are thinking beings and not robots" :P [12:05] <_arfon_> HA HA... Timely... That'''s funny [12:05] Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy. ^ Henry Kissinger [12:06] waco was seen as a possible hostage situation. katrina was a natural disaster where everything broke down and people started gonig wild [12:06] _arfon_: "in a timely fashion" means "Run Forrest, run!" :P [12:06] <_arfon_> :)) [12:06] BP{k}: toothbrushes usually mean the grout in the tile around the toilet as well [12:06] _arfon_: or as we used to say "all walking must occure at running speed" :P [12:07] "Dogs and sailors keep of the grass" [12:07] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:07] macavity: hehe yeah, the RLNAF is pretty relaxed in its approach. Basically everything is mostly treated as just a job where you can't wear civvies" ;) [12:07] (yes - real sign at a base) [12:07] <_arfon_> The time-honored saying for the American Military is "hurry up and wait" [12:07] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [12:07] s/RLNAF/RNLAF [12:07] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:07] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Client Quit [12:07] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:07] <_arfon_> What's the RNLAF? [12:08] BP{k}: yes, and it works pretty well.. this whole Macho/Testosterone trip gets old *so* fscking fast :P [12:08] _arfon_: Royal Netherlands AirForce. [12:08] _arfon_: oh, that one is well known in the danish army too :-) [12:08] <_arfon_> Ah.... They have planes???? ;) [12:08] they even have fokkers ;) [12:09] <_arfon_> <---- loves Fokkers [12:09] and we haz pipebombs! [12:09] <_arfon_> Stupid Stork [12:09] JSF [12:09] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.41) joined ##slackware. [12:09] Action: Zosma runs [12:09] Zosma: not yet ;) [12:09] :-) [12:09] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@200.140.247.98) left irc: [12:10] we just postponed the purchase of those [12:10] <_arfon_> Purchase of Fokkers? [12:10] _arfon_: purchas of F-35/JSF [12:10] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:10] our F16 line has been continuously upgraded to the latest model, so we see little point [12:10] and I heard there may be an issue with some of the US electronics that found its way into the JSF [12:11] not to mention the software.... [12:11] <_arfon_> Ah... I was going to say "How can you buy new Fokkers when Sork has pretty much killed off Fokker?" [12:11] <_arfon_> Stork even [12:11] _arfon_: im an artillery grunt, so i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about :P [12:12] macavity: my dad did some of the overseeing of the F-16 Mid-Life Update program. [12:12] nice [12:12] <_arfon_> Mac, nice... [12:13] <_arfon_> At least you get to stay behind the lines. [12:13] "hell from above" :P [12:13] hmm seems the RNLAF is also going to outface part of their HAWK and PATRIOT Systems [12:14] <_arfon_> OOps, boss just walked in.... [12:14] alisonken1home: hahah just got your python snipe, I like python. It's pretty much the best way to introduce a 12 year old to coding. [12:14] Action: _arfon_ sets LURK mode [12:15] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/20/page_search_retention/print.html [12:15] eviljames: among other things - and it does graphical as well as cli :) [12:15] alisonken1home: hahah I'm signing off with ^D from now on [12:15] ha [12:16] chowabunga: and notice how "focussed" is spelled in the MS add :) [12:17] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:17] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:17] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [12:17] u2pian (n=guest@120.28.193.243) joined ##slackware. [12:17] im trying to revive an everex CE1200V cloudbook umpc..it still turns on, but wont boot. I tried with bootable usb jumpdrive..still wont..any ideas? [12:18] any error messages? beep codes? [12:19] BloodyLips (n=I@host10-24-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:20] hey guys [12:20] LCD shows this --> power on self test, then "Operating systme not found" [12:20] Ojg (n=Ojg@90-229-198-184-no150.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:20] I'm having a problem running 2 sound apps at the same time..."/dev/dsp is busy" [12:21] i heard it might be an issue of upgrading alsa or someting.. [12:21] somthing* [12:22] first it shows--> Intel UNDI PXE-2.1 ,,Exiting PXE ROM...then Operating system not found [12:22] http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-303182.html i know this says debian problem but it mentions ver 4.7 openssh that wasnt fixed til 5.2 and i have 5.1 innstalled from 12.2 release [12:22] u2pian: pxe = network boot. OS not found = (at lest) no boot loader. [12:23] yeah..but it wont boot on usb .. [12:23] fluxnuk3r: it's possible, but some applications try to get exclusive control over the card no matter what (ie: jack) [12:23] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A73AD2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:23] u2pian: does your bios support usb boot, and is it set to? [12:23] eviljames: yeah..i F2 the bios for it [12:23] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) joined ##slackware. [12:23] thx james [12:24] VampirePenguin: Is that a troll? [12:24] Hey all. [12:24] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-135-89.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:24] huh eviljames [12:24] VampirePenguin: debian problem was because debian guys tried to 'clean up' the ssl code. slackware compiles upstream sources without cleanup except for security patches [12:25] VampirePenguin: ahh, I hadn't clicked. I thought it was referring to what alisonken1home mentions. [12:25] this is openssh problem and it only mentioned debian but i dont know if it applies to original code [12:25] VampirePenguin: Debian/Ubuntu's openssh was broken due to a debian coder not understanding what a function did, and he removed it. [12:25] eviljames: Hahah, that's kind of funny. [12:25] so dont open your ssh port :P [12:26] but that patch was only for their releases and the tree of software that flows from it. [12:26] use a portknocking daemon [12:26] eviljames: What is this "encryption"... Hrmm, i'm just going to remove it. :P [12:26] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.36.209) joined ##slackware. [12:26] okay well its always a good idea to check bc news can have some funky slants sometimes [12:26] i use ssh all the time [12:27] so no eviljames im not trolling im slackin [12:27] agentc0re|work: atually, it was 'here's an extra function for encryption - let's remove the redundant step", then found out it wasn't a redundant step [12:27] :) [12:27] alisonken1home: I was just trying to be funny, how ironic that i wasn't too far off. [12:28] agentc0re|work: yep :) [12:28] agentc0re|work: hahaha iirc it had to do with either a salting mechanism or prng but even still why monkey around with code you don't get? [12:28] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:29] u2pian (n=guest@120.28.193.243) left irc: "leaving" [12:29] ahh alisonken1home knows better. [12:29] eviljames: But that's the point. If he didn't get it, it shouldn't be there. HAHA. Just too funny. [12:32] eviljames> according to the article it wasnt the PRNG thing [12:33] all this shows is that you are *always* suppose work directly with upstream [12:34] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A753B6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:34] chowabunga: plz press pgupthx! ;) [12:34] Does slackware 12.2 have bluetooth support built-in or do I need to download some things? [12:34] eviljames> no [12:34] lf4: support is available. may have to enable a couple of extra steps [12:34] chowabunga: kthx [12:35] lf4: if your bluetooth chip is not supported in the blutetooth-firmware package, you may have to do anthing from just downloading firmware right up to doing Seriously Mad Hax(TM) [12:36] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-93-41.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:36] like seriously mad hax [12:36] I knew my connection was going to be flaky [12:36] yeah, put an I in front of that. [12:36] it rains, dsl drops [12:36] macavity: lol I see... :) this is my first time messing with bluetooth ever haha never used it before. XD lets see if it works. [12:37] slackytude2: ah, we had that too.. called the phone company and they changed some cables, and we got free upgrade to 10/1 :P [12:37] heh [12:37] phone dude will come saturday [12:37] good [12:37] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.36.209) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:37] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.36.209) joined ##slackware. [12:39] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:39] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:40] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A73AD2.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [12:40] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [12:40] slackytude: do you know the ghost command to nickserv? [12:41] yeah [12:41] but he's not going to tell. [12:41] :P [12:41] Action: slackytude nods [12:41] what ghost command?! this sounds cool [12:41] big secret [12:42] vastina: /msg nickserv help [12:42] been a while since I used that one [12:42] vastina: don't do it! it makes poltergeists infect your irc program. [12:42] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.6.18) joined ##slackware. [12:42] vastina: and then, when they've infected, you start trolling in channels you never meant to troll in [12:42] like #blackhat and #defcon [12:42] uh oh [12:42] ouch [12:42] then your computer melts, and it's all over. [12:43] hi guys, why can't i use sdparm for older 18.2 GB Compaq drives (cpqarray) from device /dev/ida/c0d0 ? [12:43] c0d0 ? [12:43] nvision (n=nvision@g229175042.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:43] Because this isn't unix? [12:43] does anyone here have a vps that they recommend? [12:43] vastina: in short, "/msg nickserv ghost vestina password" is usefull if you lose connection and come back, just to realize that "your old self" is still around [12:43] or even better, does anyone here own a vps hosting company? [12:43] it seems that the Compaq drives are apparently SCSI drives but aren't because sdparm doesn't recognize them. [12:44] vastina: such an "old self" is called a ghost [12:44] amazon10x: I'm looking at iweb.ca - soon will buy and post a review. [12:44] amazon10x: but they have pretty decent looking packages [12:44] macavity: yeah i got it from the help, but appreciate the elaboration nonetheless [12:44] vastina: what it does is just killing the old conenction, so you can get to identify with nickserv [12:44] amazon10x: "own" - no [12:44] amazon10x: linode.com is what quite a few of us here use. [12:45] vastina: ... mostly usefull for dailup users :P [12:45] eviljames: do they have vpss? i don't see it on their site [12:45] i can't get any info about the Compaq drives from Compaq Smart Integrated Controller (very old) [12:45] (or peole how "lend" nearby wifi) [12:45] took the appeal out of the GHOST command.... i thought it would be something cool, like uploading some programme to all windows users leading them to believe they have a ghost in the machine [12:45] amazon10x: oh, virtual private... they actually sell dedicated boxen I think. [12:45] amazon10x: look at what you can get for a 'budget server' [12:45] ahh, ok. you're going to get a dedicated? [12:46] yea, I'm looking at a core2 @ $99 / mo + (maybe) unmetered [12:46] vastina: sorry to disapoint your.. perhaps #exploits on dalnet is more your cup of tea? ;-) [12:46] eviljames: that looks nice, 10mb or 100mb? [12:46] 10mb, I don't have need for 100 [12:46] yet [12:46] macavity: haha! nice one, but no, not a dalnet script kiddie [12:47] i was looking at this vps http://billing.mycs.co.uk/cart.php?a=add&pid=114 [12:47] eviljames: what site? [12:47] it's only 5 euros per month which is nice. i've looked into the company a bit and it seems like they have good support [12:47] vastina: i would not even go to dalnet without having an OpenBSD firewall/gateway up :P [12:47] macavity: LOL, so true [12:48] if you run a shitty OS... but i know my routes and state tables intimately [12:49] vastina: i dont even bother to set up iptables on any of my slackware boxes [12:49] vastina: so i am pretty much at the mercy of my ZyXEL router :P [12:49] macavity: why bother when you have an openbsd gateway anyway? [12:49] alisonken1home: iweb.ca ? it's just ofr my private use (for the time being) [12:49] that's in my case anyway [12:49] s/ofr/for/ dammit [12:49] vastina: i dont.. thus i dont go to dalnet :P [12:49] eviljames: yea - what you were lookig to host, not whre [12:50] What's wrong with dalnet? [12:50] loaded with script kiddies [12:50] Ah. [12:50] super lameo [12:50] idd [12:50] no.. some of them are rather good [12:50] alisonken1home: Well, a few different things. I've had a few ideas rolling around in my head and they pretty much all would need (at least) vps, but maybe dedicated hardware [12:50] i remember when bitchx got pwned on a weekly pasis [12:50] alisonken1home: why do you ask? Want to help me sell these ideas for millions of bucks? :D [12:51] i'm actually one of the original 2,000 users of EFnet, Eris Free Network [12:51] that was back in the early 90s [12:51] I'm one of the original 5 users of the internet, big whoop wanna fight about it?! [12:51] vastina: oh, so you are one of the IRC war veterans? :P [12:51] eviljames: yes suckah! [12:51] <_arfon_> Didn't Al Gore invent efnet? [12:51] john_dee (n=id@89.179.31.47) joined ##slackware. [12:51] macavity: haha that's one way of putting it [12:51] lol [12:51] lol! [12:52] greetings [12:52] _arfon_: Ya, after he discovered global warming. [12:52] <_arfon_> Apparently you both aren't a 1337 as he. [12:52] <_arfon_> :) [12:52] <_arfon_> He's amazing Agent [12:52] man im so sick of the global warming propaganda [12:52] hackeron (n=hackeron@78.33.200.139) left irc: Connection timed out [12:53] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:54] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [12:54] there's no cfg80211 module in .29 kernel. anyone knows how to pass regdom parameter to 80211 subsytem? [12:55] haha i remember way back in the late 90s when all the younger IRCers were sporting retarded 4lp4num3r1c nicks [12:55] Hey vastina, how are you? [12:55] and throwing stupid shit like pipes into their nicks [12:55] <_arfon_> Were? You mean it's not fashionable anymore? [12:55] good firebird619, yourself? [12:55] doing great, thank you. :) [12:55] vastina> people still do it [12:55] _arfon_: they still are? i didn't notice [12:56] oh... [12:56] Action: vastina feels stupid [12:56] internet hipsters [12:56] could i bother some of you guys to check the ping time for 63.223.120.216? i'm checking out a vps provider [12:56] Nick change: _arfon_ -> _4rph0n_ [12:56] <_4rph0n_> I'm uber 1337 [12:56] You know in the 90's i had the internet but i was still heavily BBS'ing. I wish i would have found out about linux back then so I would have had a more of a head start. [12:57] but not as stupid as 743 31337 h4ck3|2 [12:57] Action: agentc0re|work hates leet speak. [12:57] Nick change: _4rph0n_ -> _arfon_ [12:57] irony [12:57] agentc0re|work: ditto [12:57] t3h 1u1z [12:57] <_arfon_> I wish I had known about M$ in the 70 so I could have bought stock [12:57] amazon10x: average 61.6mS after first ping from me [12:58] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-24-126-163-118.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:58] okay, thanks. where are you pinging from? [12:58] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.99.73) joined ##slackware. [12:58] i was getting 200ms but that was from sweden [12:58] vastina: I miss BBS'ing. Back when it wasn't easy for the retards to express themselves. [12:59] amazon10x: Verizon in San Bernardino County, CA, US [12:59] Good ole LORD, Exitilus, Planets, Usurper.. etc. etc. Those were simple but fun games. [12:59] agentc0re|work: oh i know, long gone, and who would have ever thought we'd be the "older guys" reminiscing [13:00] alisonken1home: thanks [13:00] i'm in the dead centre of my 20s, not old... but /me wonders what IRC will be like when he's 50, or if it will be [13:01] <_arfon_> I had a 300baud acoustic modem that I used on my TRS-80 to call the BBS my friend was running on his commodore [13:01] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A753B6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:01] anyone use the 960 grid system by chance? [13:01] <_arfon_> It was BIG TIME when he got his own telephone line for that BBS [13:01] BBS'ing got so flooded and fucked by majordomo [13:01] haha [13:01] LORD was awesome! [13:01] i loved to kill people in the inn lol [13:01] vastina: you're still a youngster all right [13:02] sweet! [13:02] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-93-41.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:02] :D [13:02] stop lying to him alisonken1home =p [13:02] my radio shack computer with no ram, no hdd, you had to backup to cassette tape and program in basic [13:02] good ole days [13:02] lol [13:02] Necos: you may not know how old I am then :) [13:02] 30 yrs ago [13:02] <_arfon_> No RAM? [13:03] <_arfon_> It didn't do much eh? [13:03] nope shut off the machine lost everything [13:03] whatever you could program in basic and save [13:03] <_arfon_> Apparently, turning ON the machine lost everything also.... [13:03] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: "leaving" [13:03] Necos: Hehe, that was a great time. [13:03] vastina, Necos Did you guys have Exitilus on any of the BBS's you got on? [13:04] hahaha that door game?! [13:04] oh shit [13:04] Action: vastina hides for recognising that [13:04] http://exitilusonline.com/ [13:05] oh no! that's it! [13:05] i met some of the NERDIEST... oh god NERRRRDIEST people from my old university through that game [13:05] I remember a cheat to get a castle and if you went to buy a bunch of knights but entered in 9999999999999999 to the max it gave you unlimited or something. You could just keep killing the crap outa people. [13:06] nah agentc0re [13:06] i only played LORD and Trade Wars ^^ [13:06] Ooh i love trade wars! [13:06] game is awesome! [13:07] brb [13:08] http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Slideshows/_production/ss_090515_TWITOONS/090515_TWITOONS_02.ss_full.jpg [13:08] sevens (n=sevens@unaffiliated/sevens) joined ##slackware. [13:08] that's great. [13:10] If a little stupid, but not bad drawing... [13:10] exbio_ (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [13:11] if a little stupid, it's an hilarious joke [13:12] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.22) joined ##slackware. [13:12] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:13] Well, I mean, the guy has inherited 7 straight years of spending WAY beyond capacity, to try to blame him for the 9Trill is a bit asinine, don't you think? [13:13] last I checked, it was more than 7 years, wasn't it? [13:13] agreed, but he took the seat and assumed the humiliation, all i wish him is good luck, but a damn funny comic nonethless [13:13] Didn't we have a surplus with Clinton? [13:14] iirc, yes, we did. [13:14] Yes, the socially liberal, economically conservative model won again... [13:14] Once the partisan fools got their talons into things, everything went to hell. [13:15] (That's for both sides of the left/right table) [13:15] <_arfon_> If you use clonezilla, what happes if you try and restore an image of a 40Gb drive onto a 20Gb? (Take into account that the 40Gb drive was only about 8% used). Will it barf or just complan and drop data? [13:15] i've 2 identical harddisks, what's better? RAID1 or RAID10 for greater efficiency and same redundancy? [13:15] <_arfon_> complain even [13:15] _arfon_: what's clonezilla? [13:15] defcon1 (n=localhos@82.41.92.172) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:15] maxote: you..can't do 10 with 2 disks [13:15] You can do raid 0 or raid 1 [13:15] maxote: 10 requires more disks than you have. [13:16] <_arfon_> A ghost like proggie [13:16] straterra, 4 partitions of 2 harddisks [13:16] Which would be entirely pointless [13:16] hey everyone, be back in a bit, unfortunately i need to drop into windows and test autocad [why can't these jokes make it for a more healthy environment like POSIX?] [13:16] 4 partitions of 2 harddisks, pair of them are crossed [13:16] Again..pointless [13:17] *mumble* [13:17] vastina: didn't you know - Windows IS POSIX compliant. Just look at the checkbox on government contracts from 5 years ago :) [13:17] genius. http://qdb.us/294682 [13:17] maxote: Test it out and report back to us, actually. I'm intrigued as to how pointless it might be :P [13:17] Every write has to be done twice to the each drive [13:17] I'd be suprised if it wasn't slower [13:17] maxote: create the array and run hdparm -{t,T} to see what the results are [13:18] whaaa? you got sda1, sda2, sdb1, sdb2, and you want to create md0 out of sda1 and sda2, or sda1 and sdb1? [13:18] alisonken1home: yeah they probably paid off an agewncy to purport compliance or made a tooth-pick framework to get by [13:18] Just do a RAID 1 if you want redundancy [13:18] agris (n=agris@intel4.dokumeds.lv) joined ##slackware. [13:18] Raid 0 if you want speed [13:18] Or get more disks [13:18] the half-assed windows posix layer is actually used by cygwin [13:19] Urchlay: thank you, so my theory is backed [13:19] eviljames, i can't use either hdparm or sdparm because the harddisks are compaq drives through compaq controller [13:19] so? [13:19] vastina: nope - MS followed the letter of POSIX compliance - just like they did with ODF compliance. Just not the spirit and cooperation of either. [13:19] and I'm still on my 1st cup of coffee, not entirely making sense yet [13:19] You make sense? [13:19] when!? [13:19] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A74914.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] When the rest of us don't have coffee [13:20] to myself I do, after 3 cups [13:20] my 2 harddisks are /dev/ida/c0d0 and /dev/ida/c0d1 [13:20] I still need a translator. [13:20] ok.. [13:20] alisonken1home: yeah yeah... be back :) [13:20] Then try the software 10 [13:20] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.187) left ##slackware ("out"). [13:20] But I'm telling you..the idea is quite retarded [13:20] what's the idea? [13:20] wait.. you only have 2 disks.. but you wanna do raid 10? [13:21] a raid 10 on two disks using 2 partitions per disk [13:21] how the hell you plan on pulling that off? [13:21] that's crazy [13:21] i want to use mdadm (soft RAID) for writebacking the lesser important blocks [13:21] Every write operation happens to each disk TWICE [13:21] right [13:21] aka, likely slower [13:21] that's the point.. it would be brutal on a busy I/O intensive server [13:21] Get two more disks or use RAID 1 [13:21] maxote: you'd be better off doing raid1.. if you want raid10.. get two more disks. [13:21] my idea is double speed and double redundancy using only 2 disks [13:22] Uhm.. [13:22] maxote: you won't double your speed [13:22] You wouldn't get double speed [13:22] you'll cut it in half [13:22] You'll get half, if anything [13:22] Action: Dominian slaps straterra [13:22] straterra: stop that! [13:22] make raid1's out of (/dev/ida/c0d0p0 and /dev/ida/c0d1p0) and (/dev/ida/c0d0p1 and /dev/ida/c0d1p1), then make a raid0 out of those two raid1s, is what you have in mind? [13:22] Urchlay: yes, but all only using two physical disks.. bad idea [13:22] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:23] maxote: why do you think that would be better than just making a single partition on each disk and making a raid1 out of them? [13:23] less than half since you have overhead transfers as well [13:23] is possible to tell to mdadm to use an option of interlaced blocks? [13:23] Action: straterra head desks [13:23] argh [13:23] Action: Dominian /ignore [13:24] It's a bad idea..give it up [13:24] Action: alisonken1home looks at the dog [13:24] It's not going to do what you think it will do [13:24] straterra: That's like someone saying "I have dual quad-core at 3Ghz.. that means I have 24Ghz of processing power at one time" [13:25] 12 GHz [13:25] unless you mean a new i7 with HT :P [13:25] disk0: d0_block0, d1_block1, d0_block1, d1_block2, d0_block3, d1_block3, and so on [13:25] dual quad-core [13:25] ooohhh [13:25] 4 cores per dual [13:25] er.. per processor [13:25] I didn't see the dual part [13:25] straterra: My addition was fine! [13:25] :P [13:25] disk1: d1_block0, d0_block1, d1_block1, d0_block2, d1_block3, d0_block3, and so on <-- all it's the replica. [13:25] i7+ht = 4 cores each w/ ht. [13:25] maxote: It's a bad idea [13:25] the ones in september are going to be beautiful. [13:25] 8+ht [13:26] i7 with ht would be 48GHz! [13:26] :O [13:26] maxote: so far you've got 4 people telling you it's a bad idea (me included now that I understand what you're trying to do) [13:26] and zero people who think it's a good idea [13:26] We can call Al Gore if you want someone who thinks its a good idea [13:26] wel.. one person.. maxote thinks its a good idea [13:27] yes, a good idea [13:27] no.. its not a good idea [13:27] maxote: do it.. you'll regret it [13:27] good bye [13:27] yay! [13:27] Bye [13:27] why is it a good idea? if one drive goes bad, the whole drive generally does, not just one partition [13:27] well, not only that.. raid10 on two disks.. separated by partition? [13:27] that's just asking for data loss [13:28] "I don't get it.. I only lost one drive!" [13:28] :) [13:28] even if you get a failure where one partition goes bad and the other one doesn't, you can't hacksaw the disk in half and only replace the half that died [13:28] the whole disk has to be replaced at once [13:28] maxote: In other words..epic fail [13:28] I'm wondering if you can have loopback image files in a raid... [13:29] straterra: and no.. no real practical use for it.. other than to say "Yeah I did it" [13:29] Action: straterra steals the dunce hat from chowbunga [13:29] Dominian: it's not entirely a silly question. I've thought of doing raid5 with CDs or DVDs, on a box with 4 or 5 drives [13:30] agris (n=agris@intel4.dokumeds.lv) left irc: " Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-" [13:30] but maybe thats silly too (or at least, I can't think of a practical reason for doing it) [13:30] <_arfon_> How in the world would you get a CD RAID 5 going? [13:30] _arfon_: I dunno. It's something I've thought about briefly, not actually tried... [13:31] Urchlay: No.. I mean r/w files mounted with -o loop [13:31] I was going to get a bunch of USB floppies and do a RAID 5 [13:31] Like.. right now my /tmp is mounted on a 1GB file via loop [13:31] Dominian: IIRC, I did that once for testing, it worked [13:31] straterra: ricer :P [13:31] straterra: guy here at work got a bunch of usb pen drives and raid 5'd them [13:31] Urchlay: hrm [13:31] <_arfon_> I'm sure some super-nerd could manage it but, thinking of striping data across CDs to burn them makes my head hurt. [13:31] Floppies are leeter [13:31] Urchlay: that has some applications :) [13:31] OK?! [13:31] floppy raid! [13:32] Yeah [13:32] floppy raid... [13:32] that would be interesting [13:32] punch card raid! [13:32] floppy xxxx (never mind) [13:32] Given the reliability of floppies..I should do raid 6 [13:32] And put / on it [13:32] lulz [13:32] <_arfon_> That's it... set up three K3B threads and mount them (somehow) as a virtual disc... Now I'm at a loss. :) [13:32] cassette deck raid [13:32] boot up the sound of 20 floppy drives seeking [13:32] 8-track tape raid [13:32] Urchlay: punch card raid is more oldschool [13:32] <_arfon_> Abascus RAID [13:32] psh [13:33] abascus? [13:33] _arfon_: now we are talking! [13:33] yah, but I actually have data cassette decks [13:33] counting stone RAID [13:33] cave wall RAID [13:33] O_O [13:33] Action: _arfon_ flexs his nerd muscles [13:33] (they're all so old, the belts have rotted back to raw petroleum...) [13:33] <_arfon_> Yeah, get three Egyptian slaves..... [13:33] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:33] _arfon_: and raid them? :P [13:34] <_arfon_> You could but, you won't get much from them, they are SLAVES after all... [13:34] <_arfon_> :P [13:34] a slave raid could be fun [13:34] agris (n=agris@intel4.dokumeds.lv) joined ##slackware. [13:34] i dont think the GF would like the idea though ;-) [13:34] unless you're the raid-ee and not the raider [13:34] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:36] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A74914.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [13:37] macavity: I think you need to train your gf a little differently. [13:38] macavity: She should be your partner in the slave raid. [13:39] x80 (n=epoch@99.54.139.237) joined ##slackware. [13:40] man the nv driver is so slow... :P [13:40] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:41] AbsTradE1ic (n=vldmr@189.87.99.145) joined ##slackware. [13:41] lf4: I notice that too. :) [13:42] g, isn't that strange :D [13:43] Ficthe (n=grieve@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:43] eviljames: uhm... that depends on the nature of the relationship ;-) [13:43] macavity++ ;) [13:44] firebird619: how can you live with that haha I rather have 1280x1024 and be fast then 1680x1050 [13:44] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-71-202-96-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [13:44] eviljames: she likes the slave part.. she is just opposing the idea of slave raid, as she dont like the implications of neither mirror nor stripe ;-) [13:44] maybe shes kinder bueno 'i'll be what ever you want me to be' [13:45] acidchild: she will only be one thing: everything ;-) [13:45] awe, aint you a cutie [13:45] Action: acidchild gets violin out [13:45] o.O [13:45] Are straight men allowed to use the term "cutie" ? [13:45] Action: straterra puts in a man-vote of no [13:46] *tumble weed* [13:46] acidchild: dude [13:46] acidchild: figured out audit_group ! [13:47] excellent :-) [13:47] adds a lot of crap to the logs [13:47] hehe [13:47] so now I just need tow ait for u.txt or watever to pop back up in /tmp [13:47] well thats why you just put apache|www in to the audit group =P [13:47] yep! :-) [13:47] macavity: what about raid5? [13:48] macavity: She's ok with having multiple redundant spares? :P [13:48] acidchild: yeah.. at first, the default is 1007. [13:48] Dominian: well in menuconfig you can change that... [13:48] acidchild: I didn't understand the concept behind the audit group.. until I read a small bit on the forums.. then it was like "oh. wow.. any group.. so like I can set that to 'users' and monitor all users on the server in the 'users' group" [13:48] acidchild: yeah.. but not a big deal [13:48] you can do it with sysctl too [13:48] reading "you know when you play too much 40k when..." [13:48] which is how I changed it [13:48] You spend idle moments on the can thinking about whether or not a chainsword would actually work, which always ends with 'Who cares, it's a chainsword!' [13:49] You know how you know when you've played too much WoW? [13:49] Dominian: learn about socket perms too? [13:49] via gid? [13:49] When you start looking at real life like a "quest" [13:49] Dominian: hence why i told you to turn on sysctl ;) [13:49] acidchild: umm no :P [13:49] I read up on it a bit.. but didn't do much with it [13:50] I'm trying to be careful how much I turn on... last time I went crazy.. locked myself out of the system :D [13:50] haha [13:50] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:50] you start to break things like bind and apache [13:50] that was after creating the policy with the learning mode.. and then turning it on.. logged out.. uht oh.. can't ssh in... uht oh.. can't get console.. shit... [13:50] if your not careful. [13:51] oh yes.. [13:51] its a chainsword! [13:51] if I ever do grsec in full.. I'll have to do it on a clean install and gradually write the policies. [13:51] yep [13:51] makes a sexy sexy setup though :-P [13:51] oh yes.. I'm already hooked on grsec [13:51] tried lids? :P [13:51] rofl [13:51] er.. no [13:51] Action: acidchild throws another security patch at Dominian [13:52] lids.org [13:52] lf4: I don't, I use the nvidia driver instead of the nv driver. [13:52] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-176-72.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [13:52] acidchild: reading now [13:53] ahhh so lids can help in protecting files.. as well as processes.. interesting [13:53] pretty good for locking /etc/lilo.conf and /etc/shadow files. [13:53] I do need to experiment with the hiding of "ps aux" output though [13:53] its exaclly like iptables. [13:54] anyone know how to add a mimetype to firefox 3 ? i.e. application/x-personal shall run script.sh [13:54] iptables for files.. [13:54] ahh [13:54] I'll look at it down the road.. don't wanna do it on this system. hehe [13:54] john_dee (n=id@89.179.31.47) left irc: "link closed" [13:54] and should be done at a certain runtime level on boot. [13:54] hehe yep [13:54] acidchild: well, we can mess with that when the new boxes go up :) [13:54] yep [13:54] acidchild: and now that slackware64 is out ;P [13:55] well its on -current form.. probably be released as Slackware64 1.0 or something with Slackware 13 is released. [13:56] ramification (n=ramifica@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [13:56] 960 is pretty damn awesome :) [13:57] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:57] fred: i really like your slashdot post on slackware64 :-) [13:57] how many inquisitors does it take to screw in a light bulb? [13:57] none, they're out purging the infadels >.> [13:57] spook: I'll ask the questions here! [13:57] lulz [13:57] macavity: link? [13:58] Dominian: http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/20/1819252 [13:58] Dominian: scroll to the bottom [13:58] hey, if at a later time I want to play a game (for i686 platform) that requires 3d acceleration and run slackware64, will I be able to run it if I install the 32bit opengl compat libs? [13:59] probably not. [13:59] 1 to screw it in, 1 to declare it heresy, and 1 to deny its existence [13:59] as it will need more than just those [13:59] unless its a static binary [13:59] then you might be ok [13:59] that's what I thought , too bad [13:59] gaming is overrated [13:59] http://slackadelic.com/2009/05/21/common-questions-after-release-of-slackware64/ [13:59] Humm firebird619 and your still able to get the hires? [13:59] lf4: yeah, I have to add a specific line to xorg.conf, but yeah. [14:00] a modeline? [14:00] ramification: Slackware64 is multilib ready, so depending on the app, you may need 32 bit versions of quite a lot of libs [14:00] without the line, I don't get native res over dvi. [14:00] thank you [14:01] lf4: Option "ModeValidation" "DFP-0: NoMaxPClkCheck, NoEdidMaxPClkCheck, AllowNon60HzDFPModes" [14:01] ramification: installing the c/ series from slamd64 *might* work (Patrick said so).. but a multilib series is *probably* comming to slackware64 at some pint anyway [14:01] so at this moment it's pointless for me to install the nvidia drivers, but is it possible to achieve my laptop's native resolution without them? has anybody had success setting weird widescreen resolutions using the vesa driver? [14:01] not pointless to install nvidia driver [14:01] why is it pointless ? [14:02] humm ok I've been trying to get it to be set to native with the nvidia drivers but it doesnt seem to want to take lol. [14:02] fadein: the vesa driver can only handle vesa modes [14:02] ramification: ^^ [14:02] has anyone noticed that people on their msn list are reverting back to email address only 'friendly names' ? [14:02] you get better 2D performance with nvidia than you would with vesa for sure [14:02] is this because of an upgrade in MSN by microsoft? [14:02] lf4: that's odd, it could be that line I use would help you, but probably not. [14:02] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:02] and you could compile e.g. quake or quake3 for 64-bit no problem [14:03] maybe since the card only has DVI and I am using an adaptor to VGA. [14:03] (eh, well, quakeforge or ioquake3, I should say) [14:03] I didn't think about that, and I guess it's even truer (sp?) if I run something like kde4 [14:03] or just play teeworlds ! [14:03] neverball? [14:04] rise of the triad ftw [14:04] and other apogee games :) [14:04] lf4: you're using an adapter? Give that line a try then, can't really hurt it anymore than what it is now. Also, with that line, use the nvidia driver instead of nv. [14:04] i want some ZORK [14:04] rise of Free Software Games ftw [14:04] lol [14:04] Action: macavity is the resident FSF Zealot(TM) [14:05] lf4: I put that line under the Screen section in xorg.conf [14:05] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.36.209) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:06] acidchild: ahh.. I see what proc stuff didn't work hehe [14:06] acidchild: don't have process viewing restrictions enabled [14:07] dyn0myt3: ask and ye shall receive: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/games/frotz/ [14:07] no wai! [14:07] heh [14:07] anyone used perlcc? [14:07] ;/ [14:07] firebird619: darn didnt work... whats bugging me is if I use nvidia its like it only supports VESA. [14:07] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.19.41) joined ##slackware. [14:07] textsfromlastnight.com [14:07] total SBo pwnage ftw [14:07] dyn0myt3: that's the interpreter. You need the zcode file from here: http://www.infocom-if.org/downloads/downloads.html [14:08] acidchild: you still working on that AP? [14:08] (go ahead & get zork 2 and 3 while you're at it) [14:08] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [14:08] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [14:09] Urchlay: heh thx now i'm gonna read for a few hours. [14:09] Nick change: likevinyl -> MiguelRios [14:09] I have a weird question [14:09] lf4: that's too bad. There's got to be some way to fix it. [14:09] I'm sure we can provide weirder answers [14:09] when you installed slackware, did anybody installe Y/ set? [14:09] Yeah reinstall slackware XD [14:09] ramification: yes [14:09] and if yes, what obscure games are included? [14:09] ramification: i want fortune :P [14:10] haha [14:10] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [14:10] I imagine something the likes of nethack [14:10] Y is the awesomest set ever. [14:10] really? [14:10] what's on it? [14:11] ramification: look in /var/log/packages/bsd-games* [14:11] lf4: oo ooo ... where can I get "Slackware XD" ? sounds awesome - I want it [14:11] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [14:11] thanks [14:11] rk4n3: I'll dcc you it ;) [14:11] I'm excited, a little bit [14:11] lf4: nah, there's gotta be another way then that. :P [14:11] spook: (416): Full bush! Can't stay! Need ride! Come on bro! <=== LOLOLOL [14:11] haha [14:11] Dominian: yuppers. [14:11] MiguelRios (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) left ##slackware ("Saliendo"). [14:11] ramification: adventure arithmetic atc backgammon banner battlestar bcd caesar canfield cfscores countmail cribbage factor fish fortune gomoku hangman hunt mille monop morse number phantasia pig pom ppt primes quiz rain random robots rot13 sail snake snscore teachgammon trek wargames worm worms wump [14:11] hmm, adventure is included, which is the prototype for zork, sort-of [14:12] everyone's favorite, "wtf" [14:12] rot13 as in rise of the triad???? [14:12] eh, no [14:12] lame [14:12] firebird619: I know haha I actually dont mind because I can live with CLI on this system for now and use my laptop for GUi until I get it working again. [14:12] Dominian: got all the antennas built though, http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2455/3549493033_dbabc54f75_b.jpg top left hand corner, 4x 30degree radiating pannels. [14:12] acidchild: look for the one about the crab shampoo [14:12] ramification: if you dont like the call to fortune everytime you log in, just chmod -x /etc/profile.d/bsd-games-login-fortune.sh [14:12] rot13 as in "rotate 13"... $ echo "You can't read this"|rot13 [14:12] Lbh pna'g ernq guvf [14:12] Dominian: sorry about the picture, wasn't targeting that, just noticed later on :P [14:12] spook: urg...mkay [14:12] lf4: yeah, the nv driver is slower though, especially with kde4 when I was on current. :P [14:13] are those the quotes you get everytime you login? [14:13] for extra security, try double-rot13!! [14:13] I need to go rebuild the weed wacker engine before work... I just dont get time to mess around a lot with this xorg problem anymore lol. [14:13] miguelrios (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) joined ##slackware. [14:13] ramification: yes [14:14] ok, that's nice actually [14:14] miguelrios (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) left ##slackware ("Saliendo"). [14:14] haha wow firebird619 I would not run nv with KDE4 [14:14] some very deep quotes I found there [14:14] I dont even like running nv anyways. [14:14] spook: hahahahaha damn right :-P [14:14] ramification: grep the database for Ambrose Bierce :P [14:14] acidchild: find it? [14:14] hell yep :-P [14:14] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:14] :D [14:14] oh how many times [14:14] bush always comes to haunt. [14:14] best. wingman. ever. [14:14] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [14:14] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:14] lf4: Here's a solution, get a new monitor that has dvi. :P [14:14] or hdmi [14:14] is there a nethack clone among the Y/ set? [14:14] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [14:14] firebird619: actually thought about that :D [14:14] they are electrically compatible [14:14] spook: :O, even better. :P [14:14] Anyone here use a Motorola Surfboard sb5101 to connect? [14:14] spook: whats your area code? [14:14] MrHales: I am [14:15] ramification: battlestar [14:15] firebird619: any issues? [14:15] ramification: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/games/nethack/ [14:15] lf4: hey, why not. Good reason to. [14:15] um, 6108 including international, i think [14:15] MrHales: No, none at all, works great. [14:15] oohh spook :P [14:15] What's your set up? [14:15] ramification: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/games/nethack/ [14:15] lol, thank you both [14:15] spook: its kinda cool, i just found one that i get the inside joke too [14:16] ramification: go to sbopkg.org to get easy access to automated slackbuilds handling [14:16] MrHales: Well, no router or anything, just directly connected. [14:16] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [14:16] it's the only game that has been in developement longer than Duke Nukem forever, no? [14:16] My buddy's using wicd, powered off last night, powered on today, modem is not "there" [14:16] firebird619: because my priorities are getting a display for my carputer lol I cant get two displays each costing $800 [14:16] MrHales: ouch, that's to bad. [14:17] ramification: really, sbopkg is the nicest thing since sliced loaf.. at least when it comes to 3rd party packages (that can be trusted, that is) [14:17] acidchild: uhuh [14:17] lf4: Why the heck not? :P Go win the lottery or something. :) [14:17] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:17] spook: (416): i have a strong urge to join the asians in the park doing tai chi. I think im still high . =P [14:17] anyway, bbl [14:17] Modem say's it's connected but now the box and modem are not talking... Where should we look for clues? [14:17] many thanks [14:17] firebird619: have some program that generates the wining numbers? [14:17] have a good day [14:17] spook: many times i've walked by one of them parks high, wanting to join in :> [14:17] later firebird619 :) i'm off too [14:17] high chi? [14:17] heh [14:17] ramification (n=ramifica@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [14:17] hehe [14:17] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:17] thai-stick chi? [14:19] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:19] Just Say No(TM) [14:19] i've never seen that before i came to this city... people in rows doing tai chi [14:19] in the parks.. in the west end.. [14:19] screw nancy reagan anyway [14:22] macavity: is a weed hater. [14:22] =P [14:22] her "just say no" campaign made a whole generation of us want to get high [14:22] oh no, not at all [14:22] i'm a booze lover [14:22] never EVER said a comment about it, without an anti- comment from you ;P [14:22] in fact i love weed so much i have to stay away from it [14:22] stop rape, say yes. [14:22] if your around anyways :p [14:22] LOL [14:22] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-176-72.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:22] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:22] weed is nature's Valium [14:22] acidchild: nice "bike" hehe [14:24] acidchild: i fully recon that weed is a lot less damaging than alcohol [14:24] a corpse can't call rape [14:24] neither can a chicken. [14:24] macavity: just not your thing :) [14:24] acidchild: .. but guess what, i am anti alcohol too :P [14:24] your life! :-) mine is mine [14:24] acidchild: it used to be my thing.. [14:24] i've been anti alchol =/ [14:24] acidchild: for ~10 years [14:24] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.28.192) joined ##slackware. [14:24] Dominian: haha :p [14:24] lucky for young men like me, i don't get whiskey dick. [14:24] macavity: anti-alcohol ? How about caffeine ? [14:24] whiskey dick? :| [14:24] heh [14:24] should i UD this? [14:24] rk4n3: im still hooked on caffein and nicotine :P [14:24] macavity: ah, caffeine too for me [14:24] oh but caffeine is ok...right..it's only the most commonly used addictive substance on Earth but lets just ignore that fact [14:24] a condition whereby you cannot get/sustain an erection after drinking [14:24] caffeine and nicotine, 2 extremely dangerous neurotoxins... [14:24] macavity: and you're concerned about thc? [14:24] CBAs too eviljames [14:24] brb bong and cig [14:24] eviljames: extremely dangerous ? [14:24] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-181-177.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:24] eviljames: THC caused me alot greater problems.. so i ditched that first [14:24] eviljames: one thing at the time, and the most important first :P [14:27] rk4n3: not only that, daily caffeine use has shown to be ineffective at little but causing arguments. [14:27] err [14:27] acidchild: now time to get some "dark" fiber going [14:27] afk [14:27] yay dark fiber [14:27] rk4n3: ineffective at anything but causing arguments. It speeds up cognitive process, while inhibiting your ability to think clearly. Also, it raises your level of tension, caffeine dosed people are more likely to become confrontational than non. [14:27] Dominian: multiplex! [14:27] laj_ (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:27] rk4n3: Further, daily dosing has no benefit, but does come with a withdrawl syndrome. [14:27] rk4n3: brb, gotta go grab another cup. [14:27] eviljames: interesting [14:27] :) [14:27] Anyone any ideas as to whether udp (multicast) streaming as a client with VLC doesn't work for me? Just compiled 0.8.6i from alienBOB's slackBuild which seems okay. Local videos play okay. ifconfig -a displays a MULTICAST entry... [14:27] I have a custom kernel though so it might lack something there... otherwise I'm at a loss. [14:27] http://tldp.org/REF/VideoLAN-Quickstart/x536.html [14:27] i think the '-vvv' are kinda key ;) [14:27] Zosma: I can't get mplayer to play streams for me but mplayer plugin inside of FF plays them just fine. [14:27] it's odd [14:28] acidchild: aye i'll try the -vvv. Wait I think I did that before with no usuable output... [14:28] acidchild: (757): I decided to name my penis gatorade...is it in you? [14:28] antiwire: that's also weird... [14:28] spook: lol [14:28] lmao [14:28] (703): Just woke up wearing a top hat and simpsons boxers. i also found more money in my wallet then what i had before going out, about $1000 more [14:28] LOL :D [14:28] I love when that happens. [14:28] Except I've never had it happen to the tune of a G! [14:28] eviljames: it happend to you? [14:28] +e [14:28] http://textsfromlastnight.com/best-nights/ [14:28] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl11-183-191.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:28] these are awesome [14:28] Ah.. [14:28] 3ed one down LOL [14:28] Zosma: More like $200, and I woke up in a hotel room wearing little other than what was mentioned in that quote. [14:29] Zosma: Though I did manage to score some random dude's leather jacket w/ fur around the collar. It looked pimped. [14:29] I'm at a hostspot right now and their AP is running a Debian version of ssh... [14:29] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:29] and guess what... [14:29] eviljames: woah... clearly I need to get out more often ;-) [14:29] It's nice to demand your coat from the coat check and they give it to you. Even though you never checked a coat and don't have a ticket. [14:29] eviljames: LOL coat exchange :P [14:31] Zosma: someone was complaining about not getting laid enough in here not long ago. I said to him: "step 1: get off irc until you get laid enough. Then come back." [14:31] i had to come back after 48hrs later party still going, to recover my 14keys on the coat room floor [14:31] i could have cryed but the night was saved! [14:31] hahaha [14:31] weekend long parties are great... [14:31] damn right. [14:31] A while back the house I was living in (4 oil rig workers + me) took our bottles back [14:32] my friends are 32 and still do the Friday-Monday morning raves weekly [14:32] We had filled a shed with empties, those really add up! We got like $450.00 in recycling money. [14:32] haha [14:32] Used that money to rent a firetruck with a portable hot tub built into the back for the weekend [14:32] http://www.firetubtours.com/ [14:32] So good. [14:32] Channel flood from eviljames -- kicking [14:32] idiotic website... [14:32] but they take fire trucks, convert them into mobile hot tubs and rent it out! [14:32] eviljames kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [14:33] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [14:33] bahahaha _FAIL_ [14:33] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.44) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:33] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.19.41) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:33] haha... firetruck hot tubs are kinda _fail_ too [14:33] eviljames: :-) [14:34] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [14:34] acidchild: what? How do you figure? [14:34] (570): why did i make a hit list last night containing only McDonalds? [14:34] (1-570): you tried to order a magarita mcflurry and when they said they didnt make those you tried to call 911 [14:34] LOL [14:34] flawless victory. [14:38] how do i figure... its too planned for me. [14:38] kama (n=kama@host237-117-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:38] 'dont make plans to break plans' [14:38] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:38] hiring a fire truck is something a chick would do =P [14:38] heh, respectfully disagree. [14:38] Because we called the guy on a Friday afternoon, and he arrived within a few hours to drop the truck off for the weekend. That party didn't stop. You're right about chicks loving it though.. [14:38] how much it cost you? [14:38] $350 or so [14:38] cool :D [14:38] last planned thing i went to had 17 kegs [14:38] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.116.159) joined ##slackware. [14:38] gowddarrmm [14:38] The other $100 was spent on flats of beer (which were gone the first night).. [14:44] 17 kegs, that's a little too planned for me.. [14:44] heh [14:44] YOOOOOOOOOO [14:44] it was massive [14:44] I'm a believer in the impromptu as you seem to be :D [14:44] is ArmedSlack an official port (as the website claims) or not? [14:44] ;) [14:44] so comming to Cherry beach next sunday? [14:44] what's cherry beach? [14:44] CIRCA (maybe?), Cherry beach then 2 days at comfort zone [14:44] i'm gonna _try_ to do it [14:44] http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3168/2773750282_b78fcde0ce.jpg?v=0 [14:44] If this involves going to TO, odds are against me coming heh [14:44] LOL of course [14:44] teleporters durh [14:44] Nick change: laj_ -> laj [14:44] I wonder about teleporters. If there's such a thing as a soul, can it be teleported too? Or will you be killed in some small way by the process? [14:44] soul doesn't need teleporters as we understand those [14:44] :) [14:44] if you substain a chemical high over the teleporting process, if your soul is lost you'll have a imaginary to take its place? [14:44] rch0044 (n=rch0044@adsl-69-155-31-100.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:44] probably, body just imprisons soul [14:44] http://www.flickr.com/photos/tizzyfit/3394195519/in/pool-tfln/] [14:44] remove the ] [14:44] whats your definition of soul , eviljames ? [14:44] "Glory Hole" LOL [14:44] actually, the question about teleporters is, how come they destroy the original copy? [14:44] DeeeeP: I don't believe, so I have no definition per se. It's more of a philosophical question I guess.. [14:44] Urchlay: quantum mechanics [14:44] another good question: hard disk space is presumably dirt cheap in the future, so why don't they keep backup copies of all the command staff on the enterprise? [14:44] not sure where to get this number: how many packages are in the repo for 12.2 or -current? [14:44] in order to construct it on one end it has to be destroyed on the other [14:44] soul is a force between heart and mind [14:44] eviljames: have you seen the movies "The Sixth Day" and "The Illusionist" ? [14:44] perhaps when you teleport your sould will escape your body and float away.. cool [14:44] my definition :) [14:44] sitwon: OK, that's as good an explanation as anything else on star trek [14:44] rk4n3: nope. Worth watching? [14:44] eviljames: yeah, I think so - they kinda examine the "soul" issue [14:44] so will it be added to the regular Slackware mirrors like Slackware64 was? [14:44] arg... wrong window [14:44] DeeeeP: In my eyes, the heart is an organ to pump blood, nothing else. All consciousness arises from electrochemical interactions in the brain, nothing more. [14:44] "ah, crap, Captain Kirk got killed again. Restore the backup from yesterday, will you?" [14:44] lol, you can teleport just something with soul. i.e. terminators or defenders.. they all teleports back without closes, this means clothes do not have soul [14:44] eviljames, we have wrong prespectives then [14:44] eviljames: oops, sorry - instead of "The Illusionist", I meant "The Prestige" [14:44] DeeeeP: So, I have no problem with teleportation. Hence the qualifiers "if such a thing exists" above :P [14:45] rk4n3: Interesting, I'm adding those to the list of movies I have to see! [14:45] :) [14:45] agris: hahaha does that mean dogs can't be teleported either? [14:45] i wouldnt have either , as my soul is a mix of my generated heart and my mind energy , both would be teleported 1/1 [14:46] DeeeeP: also, I think s/wrong/different/, neither is right or wrong. Or even provable. [14:46] sure [14:46] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.196) joined ##slackware. [14:46] we are high [14:46] :) [14:46] DeeeeP: when you say "heart", do you mean the physical body organ, or do you use the word to mean something more metaphorical? [14:46] Not yet :( I'm still at work. [14:46] Urchlay: I think he's referring to something more metaphorical. [14:47] metaphorical , i guess [14:47] Though, if I'm right and there is no soul, teleportation (when it occurs) is going to be sweeeet! [14:47] DeeeeP: I thought you might be [14:47] (otherwise was gonna ask you about heart transplants... :) [14:49] eviljames [14:49] eviljames: (907): I told her it just looked small because my balls were gigantic. She bought it. [14:49] hahaha [14:49] In the movie "The Sixth Day", they don't deal with teleportation directly, but their concept of "cloning" can easily be extrapolated to an approximation of teleporting [14:49] dogs probably have soul :) [14:49] if people do, dogs do [14:49] (I don't believe in souls either though) [14:51] agris: heh, I'm with Urchlay in that the soul is an artificial construct of mankind. [14:51] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-55-213-233.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:51] ... they have a method for growing "blanks", and also of taking "syn-cordings" (shapshot of all the states of your synapses) ... they genetically-alter the "blank" with your DNA, and restore the syn-cording, and the blank becomes an up-to-date clone of you, with your complete synaptic state, memories and all [14:51] Nick change: _chess_ -> chess [14:51] ... of course, the "original you" has to be destroyed [14:51] acidchild: I had a friend who used to state he held 2 world records: Largest testes and smallest penis. Usually after proclaiming that he would launch into a detailed artistic rendering. [14:51] What I'm banking on is that by the time I'm 40 we'll have conquered death altogether. [14:51] Urchlay: Is that air you think you're breathing? [14:51] ... so is the close "you", or are "you" dead, replaced by an approximation ? [14:51] weird [14:51] s/close/clone [14:51] eviljames: :| [14:51] agentc0re|work: eh, OK, I'll bite. I think I'm breathing air, yes... somewhat polluted air [14:52] :P [14:52] The amazing research that is happening in genetics, nano machines, disease.. at some point we will become the god we used to worship, ageless, timeless. [14:52] Urchlay: that was just an obvious nod to the matrix :) [14:52] rk4n3: ah. I only ever saw the first matrix movie, didn't really think it that all that great [14:52] agentc0re|work: Well, aside from the ~70% nitrogen content you mean? Are you asking about O2 density or.. ? [14:52] where did u read that eviljames ? [14:52] Urchlay: So you are a "I think there for I am" kind of person, eh? [14:52] I think I am, therefore I at least might be... [14:52] DeeeeP: Speculation. Though there is allegedly a cure for HIV in the works that involves re-enabling a certain part of the genome. Uncommenting some code, if you will. [14:54] eviljames: Nope, just O2 in a general sense. [14:54] cogito ergo sum [14:54] eviljames: for monkeys.. [14:54] that's kinda old news [14:54] woah. just saw the slack64 announcement. so are bluetack and slamd64 just going to disappear now? [14:54] straterra: The PLos paper was posted last month. [14:54] sec, I'll find the sauce [14:54] kama (n=kama@host237-117-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:54] /* This section hasn't been completely debugged, uncomment at your own risk - YHVH */ [14:54] amazon10x: short answer, no. [14:54] chess (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess/x-7295101) left irc: "Darkness shrugs and bids the day goodbye" [14:54] ...bluetack? [14:54] amazon10x: well not slamd64. [14:54] never heard of bluetack. [14:55] wait, not bluetack. blue something [14:55] bluewhale [14:55] lol [14:55] bluefish; i dunno i can't rmeember [14:55] bluewhite! [14:55] straterra: the work on Retrocyclins, is that what you're referring to? [14:55] Yes [14:55] bluetack is that sticky blue stuff you use to stick posters on the wall, I think [14:55] The work done on the monkey version of HIV? [14:55] arny: you should rename to bluewhale [14:55] They did something similar a couple years back..but were finding it difficult to do the same in humans [14:55] :P [14:55] straterra: No, this is the extension of that work I believe... Accepted March 16 / 09, published April 28 / 09. [14:55] straterra: http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pbio.1000095 [14:55] Oh [14:55] eviljames: this website is so distracting :p [14:55] acidchild: plos is? [14:55] alot of these fmylife websites are comming up. [14:55] eviljames, didnt u ever felt strange energys in your heart . even when u happy , enjoying something , or mad about something ? if it is such a blood pump , u shouldnt [14:55] txtfromlastnight [14:57] root@universe# cat woman.c [14:57] #include // why not? [14:57] DeeeeP [14:57] lol [14:57] DeeeeP it could be just chemistry :P [14:57] I wouldn't even go that far. I think it's an anthropomorphic illusion. [14:58] You're conditioned to think that feelings eminate from the heart/chest, so when you have that feeling you humanize it in that way. [14:58] cc -c -o woman.o woman.c ; echo "wait..." ; cat woman.o > /dev/null ; rm woman.c [14:58] So to speak, my definition and such is probably not that good, but it's close. [14:58] cat man.c | grep -v rationality > woman.c ; cc -c -o woman.o woman.c [14:58] miguelrios (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) joined ##slackware. [14:58] rk4n3: Where can I submit bugs? [14:58] lol [14:58] :) [14:59] In typing that, I didn't think of the varying double entendres that come about [15:00] agris, can be just chemistry , but was generated in heart ... so its not a blood pump [15:00] not only * [15:00] WindMaker (n=WindMake@unaffiliated/windmaker) joined ##slackware. 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[15:02] (as do mechanical hearts, though they're supposed to be pretty awful) [15:02] your brain is part of the process [15:03] Dominus (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:03] haha - at least for some people :) [15:03] Dominus (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:03] s/part of// (again imho) [15:04] (401): The midget we rented got so drunk last night he got carted off in an ambulance [15:04] ^^ wtf [15:04] rental midgets?! [15:04] I know! [15:04] EXACTLY! [15:04] <_arfon_> I see a nich market here [15:04] haha <3 Craigslist [15:04] you managed to type it before I did, but great minds clearly think alike. [15:04] hm. Midgets are cheap drunks I bet (low body mass) [15:04] :> [15:04] How do I get connected to a DSL modem? [15:04] you or your computer ? [15:04] computer [15:05] ah, good [15:05] :) [15:05] :) by wire [15:05] the other way might be messy [15:05] im connected with a DSL modem , speedtouch 330 [15:05] <_arfon_> MrHales: pppoe [15:07] Dominus (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:07] <_arfon_> pppoe-setup [15:07] <_arfon_> then pppoe-start [15:07] SuN|2 (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:07] its more than a pppoe-setup [15:07] wasn't there wvdial? [15:07] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-55-213-233.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] first u need kernel support [15:07] <_arfon_> I'm betting he has kernel support [15:07] Well, here's the situation: My buddy connected fine with wicd to a Motorola surfboard... he shutdown, started up this am, and it no longer connects [15:07] eh, unless he's recompiled his kernel with a stupid config, he's got kernel support [15:07] It worked, it doesn't , he changed nothing [15:07] u shouldnt , _arfon_ ... few DSL modens are supported [15:09] <_arfon_> Then tell him top pay the bill [15:09] <_arfon_> Always worked for me [15:09] I've found that, occasionally, I've had to wipe the dhcp info in /var/state/dhcp because stale leases were preventing connectivity [15:09] Wireless, though [15:09] i needed to compile ppp-atm also [15:09] Hasn't even recieved his first bill yet. [15:09] First connect on Tuesday. [15:09] Online through Wednesday night. Shuts down then, reboots this morning, no Net [15:09] <_arfon_> I run Slackware huge and never had to do any of that [15:09] dramz (n=dramz@174.81-166-32.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] He's using huge smp [15:09] pppoe is easier to configure [15:10] Dominian: so remember the pcap problem I was having? (trying to compile vbox on 64-current) [15:11] <_arfon_> Are you sure udev didn't swap eth0 and eth1? [15:11] <_arfon_> I had that happen when I chened a bad card [15:11] it's not specific to vbox. Any C or C++ program that tries to #include fails to compile... [15:11] eh, not pcap... libcap [15:13] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] anyone have a 32-bit install of slackware-current? [15:13] i do [15:13] me [15:13] <_arfon_> <---still on Slamd64 12.1 [15:13] agris, DeeeeP, see if you can compile this program: http://pastebin.ca/1430192 [15:13] ok [15:14] _arfon_, you could try it too, I expect it to work though [15:14] <_arfon_> Ok... [15:14] (and it definitely compiles on my 12.2 laptop) [15:14] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:14] <_arfon_> AWWW MAN!!!! You Rick-rolled me! [15:14] <_arfon_> JK :) [15:14] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.16.95) joined ##slackware. [15:14] http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Using_multiple_monitors_with_XFree86 [15:14] Urchlay, error, want me to post ? [15:16] did it compile or error out? [15:16] error compiling [15:16] like so? /usr/include/sys/capability.h:102: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'cap_size' [15:16] antiwire: hey just incase you want to do some testing, I'm using an *unpatched* 2.6.30-rc6 wireless-testing for my AP . :P [15:16] yes, first line is that, there are more [15:18] yeah, undoubtedly identical to the errors I'm getting on 64-bit :( [15:18] anyway thanks for confirming that, now I know it's a problem with -current in general, not just 64-bit [15:18] got error [15:18] <|ast|> Setting input-charset to 'ISO-8859-1' from locale. :S [15:18] <|ast|> create iso for slack current [15:20] <|ast|> export LANG=en_US@iso8859-1 ?? [15:21] I cant remember how i installed skype last time :/ [15:21] is there a slackbuild? [15:21] Urchlay: less is more, but more more than more is, so more is less less, so use more less if you want less more. [15:21] rch0044 (n=rch0044@adsl-69-155-31-100.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) left ##slackware. [15:21] fluxnuk3r: yes there is [15:21] by unziping static skype binary ? [15:21] :) [15:21] tecky: I used to export PAGER=most [15:21] omg. nevermind [15:21] lol [15:21] (there really is a fancy version of more/less called most...) [15:22] ya i kno [15:22] i just found that statement funny oddly enough :\ [15:22] why is it? [15:23] also entertaining and useful, from within vim... :Man ls [15:24] (somewhere is a vim script to let you 'export MANPAGER=vim' but I've lost track of it) [15:24] hm [15:24] Urchlay: i exclusivly use VIM, i cant stand any other editor's :/ [15:25] joe? [15:25] tecky: agreed [15:25] no? [15:25] no? :) [15:25] agris: what part of 'exclusivly' do you not understand? [15:25] ok ok [15:25] but anyway [15:25] i'm gonna take a screen shot for shits and grins [15:25] just showed interest wether you try any other editor except exclusive one :P [15:26] Shaman286 (n=lucas@189.71.50.77) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:26] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [15:26] Shaman286 (n=lucas@189.71.50.77) joined ##slackware. [15:26] "joe" was the first editor I ever used when I started out in Linux, due to it being a wordstar clone (and due to me being familiar with the old Turbo Pascal editor which was also a wordstar clone) [15:28] but using joe is like trying to sail across the atlantic in a wooden barrel... [15:29] actually, last homework i had in operating systems 2, was to install 12 games in as much ways as possible in Ubuntu. One of my ways was to install vim :D [15:29] ehm [15:29] you paid money to take that class? [15:29] easy A [15:29] nope [15:29] it's obligatory course in Uni [15:29] That's a university level course? [15:30] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:30] In what country? [15:30] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Success [15:30] somehow I'd expect anyone who's smart enough to be admitted to a university, to also be smart enough to understand the words "apt-get install " as their entire course of instruction on that subject... [15:31] (am sure you feel the same way, only you're forced to take the silly class...) [15:31] well, it's just first year and meant to show OSes :) actually it's kind of stupid. 10 years ago, when i started first time, we got login and pass to AIX and were told to do shell programming at first lectures [15:31] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: "leaving" [15:31] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.24) joined ##slackware. [15:31] whoever chose AIX for that must have been a masochist... [15:31] er, sadist, I guess, actually [15:31] or stuck in the dark ages :-P [15:32] Urchlay: sending you a link to the ss ... take a look [15:32] Today, in the same bachelor degree, they teach how to use win xp too :D [15:34] Urchlay: tell me what you think [15:34] I think there's too much transparency :) [15:34] * Welcome to AIX Version 5.3! <-- there's still AIX for students [15:34] ya i thought so too ... [15:34] dont know how to fix it :X [15:34] transparency... huh [15:34] (but then I think any transparency is too much, you might not agree...) [15:36] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:36] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [15:36] transparent shell is annoying for me [15:36] We still run AIX here at work [15:36] straterra: hai!!!!!! [15:36] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) joined ##slackware. [15:36] Action: straterra runs [15:36] yeah, transparent windows full of text are like trying to read a book with transparent pages [15:37] i like the transparency ... its just a little over board atm :\ [15:37] trying to figure out how to scale it down a tad bit [15:38] but anyways, the fiancee should be home shortly from her hair appointment (cutting hair apparently takes appointments now for girls?!?!? wtf, chainsaw + hair + 2 minutes what more do you need??) sooo i'll prolly be headed to sbux again :o [15:38] have fun [15:39] hmmm... haircutting isn't just cutting hair. it's just like whole big society thingy [15:39] chainsaw? [15:39] most people use something a little less noisy, no? [15:39] Urchlay: i thought it would spice it up a bit? [15:39] damn.... [15:40] well I don't actually know, I haven't been inside a hair-cutting place in 20+ years [15:41] Urchlay: going for that caveman look? [15:41] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-59-105.ip37.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [15:41] eh, you saw that scary-looking picture I posted here, no? [15:41] hm no? [15:41] http://imagebin.org/49551 [15:41] i try not to look at any pictures other than of Abby ... so i'm going to have to go w/ no, i didn't [15:41] that one [15:41] do you look like abby? [15:44] <_arfon_> Wow [15:44] eh. Not every picture is meant as an object for sexual obsession [15:44] its not?!? [15:44] (though if any girls are looking at that picture and they find themselves obsessed, they're welcome to say so...) [15:44] hey hey the internet was made 4 porn [15:44] straterra's face was made for porn, just ask him [15:44] <_arfon_> I think you mean, the internet was BY porn [15:44] Urchlay: i'm thinking its a sausage fest in here, sorry to burst your bubble [15:44] eh, yeah [15:44] qheutyu (n=huy@ti0095a340-dhcp0093.bb.online.no) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:44] though i'm sure straterra would be all over you like white-on-rice if you gave him a chance [15:44] nix_chix0r is definitely a girl, but she's also definitely married... [15:44] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.116.159) left irc: "brb" [15:44] chess (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess) joined ##slackware. [15:44] >.> [15:44] Urchlay: That is a glorious pic. I am jealous of your beard. [15:44] <_arfon_> Why has Hagrid popped into my mind???? [15:45] I have a nice bears :/ [15:45] it would be a better pic if I'd known I was about to get my picture made (I'd at least be facing the camera...) [15:45] beard [15:45] straterra: L O L [15:45] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-98-192-66-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:45] straterra: gg on the typo :o [15:45] Shush, you [15:45] /runs [15:46] eh, you know, I looked like that before the harry potter movies were made :) [15:46] fiancee home.... /runs [15:46] bbl [15:46] have fun [15:46] <_arfon_> Should have charged Likeness rights [15:46] <_arfon_> You could be RICH [15:46] agris (n=agris@intel4.dokumeds.lv) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:46] heh, I didn't know what likeness rights were until I saw whichever jay & silent bob movie it was where they sued the guy for it :) [15:46] <_arfon_> ...and wasting your life in irc instead of just wasting your life on irc. [15:47] <_arfon_> They did get their MFing money.... [15:47] agris2 (n=agris@intel4.dokumeds.lv) joined ##slackware. [15:47] eviljames: the scary thing is, that's less than a year's worth of beard [15:48] <_arfon_> I'm in awe [15:48] <_arfon_> That's a sweet beard [15:48] only when I've been eating pancakes with lots of syrup :) [15:48] agreed. [15:48] <_arfon_> If I had THAT beard with my eyebrows, I'd be unstoppable [15:48] I'm en route [15:48] I started a beard for NHL playoffs, when my team lost I didn't shave (yet.. though gf is starting to put the pressure on..) [15:48] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-124-166.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:51] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:53] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: [15:53] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.175.185.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:53] you can claim you're not shaving because you're in mourning [15:53] eviljames: lol its nice not having to please a gf ;) [15:53] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:54] lf4: There are people who would concur with me that they'd prefer to have my gf than be single :P [15:54] haha true... having one is better then not. [15:54] i shave once a week [15:55] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:55] DeeeeP: your either lucky or grow a beard lol [15:55] i guess im lucky [15:55] :D [15:59] I go as long as I can with out shaving I just hate it lol. [15:59] yeah , sucks [15:59] Should go for laser hair removal haha heard that stings (i wonder how bad on the face). [15:59] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:59] processed cheese is gross [15:59] acidchild: random thought of the day? [15:59] what, like velveeta? [15:59] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-191.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:01] I think he means like Kraft cheese slices [16:01] no, that nasty yellow stuff you get [16:01] yep [16:01] or Cheez Whiz [16:01] i think they are equality ones though [16:01] God I hate cheez whiz. [16:01] sveva65 (n=sverre@unaffiliated/sveva65) joined ##slackware. [16:01] cheez whiz [16:01] so shit is worse than kraft [16:01] cheez whiz is just wrong [16:01] lol i agree with acidchild [16:01] cheese product [16:01] or rather, cheese-flavored product [16:01] substance almost, but not entirely, unlike cheese [16:01] the bacon was alrite though. [16:01] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ace21f0506565a33) joined ##slackware. [16:05] Urchlay: haha :) [16:05] girlfriend went food shopping, got the cheapest ass bacon ever and that nasty plastic cheese [16:05] yummm just need some moldy bread now. [16:05] ass-bacon. yum. [16:05] ass-bacon? thought it was made from pork belly, not pork ass... [16:05] fred: this is that american bacon stuff [16:05] http://xkcd.com/37/ [16:05] cheese whiz ... made from 100% cheesy material [16:05] salty dry skinny stuff [16:05] spam ... made from 100% pig material [16:05] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:05] lol i thought spam was random meat tossed in a blender? [16:05] or was that a hotdog? [16:05] That's hot dogs [16:05] one hilarious thing about cheez whiz (or cans of whipped cream)... half the time when you buy it, the propellant's all gone, nothing comes out of the can [16:05] haha [16:05] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:05] because the people who work in the grocery store, they've figured out how to inhale the nitrous & get high on it [16:05] Whippits! [16:05] Action: eviljames <3 whippits [16:05] I live off of bits and bytes and then drink a float. :) [16:05] http://fred.uwcs.co.uk/b/cheese.png Why yes, yes I do [16:05] nitrous never did much for me [16:05] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [16:05] aww off to work I go.. hi-ho hi-ho :P [16:05] bye, ho :) [16:05] lol could use one of those Urchlay ;) later [16:05] buy ho [16:05] actually you rent them [16:05] no i'm pimp lol I own and rent out :D [16:05] (somehow, "rent-to-own" never got all that popular in the prostitution market...) [16:07] Urchlay: yeah not a vary good market for that lol [16:07] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:07] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] or they alwyas wanted to return the items after. [16:07] Urchlay: <3 [16:08] is that "search the internet for cheese" a standard thing konq does? [16:08] (like if you type "cheese" in the url bar or something?) [16:08] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [16:08] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ace21f0506565a33) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [16:08] Urchlay: I accidentally pasted 'cheese' into konqueror [16:09] ahaha [16:10] >.> [16:10] I can see all manner of comedic value in that [16:10] [root@cid ~]# which cheese [16:10] /usr/bin/cheese [16:10] :] [16:10] Channel flood from acidchild -- kicking [16:10] such a crappy app. [16:10] sorta like a mad-lib... 'Search the Internet for [noun]?' [16:11] acidchild kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [16:12] acidchild (n=acid@spy.int.sevenl.net) joined ##slackware. [16:12] Action: acidchild kicks slackboy for being so slow. [16:12] lol [16:14] necos@tessai:~$ which cheese [16:14] which: no cheese in (/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib/java/bin:/usr/lib/java/jre/bin:.) [16:14] my fridge is empty :( [16:14] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:14] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.156.51) joined ##slackware. [16:14] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:16] checkout www.crappyapps.com [16:17] i like the dilbert comic lol [16:18] shyko (n=chatzill@201-76-79-115.flash.tv.br) joined ##slackware. [16:18] christian (n=christia@kobz-590f9195.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [16:20] good evening [16:20] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.112.76) joined ##slackware. [16:20] good evening [16:20] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.112.76) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:23] slackware64 works fantastic [16:23] Agreed :p [16:23] christian: try running 32bit apps. [16:23] until you try to compile something that want to #include [16:23] oh.. wait.. you can't ;) [16:23] Dominian: why? [16:26] i don't need 32bit apps [16:26] http://slackadelic.com/2009/05/21/common-questions-after-release-of-slackware64/ [16:26] no 32-bit shared libraries [16:26] is there a decent 64 bit web browser? [16:26] Pig_Pen: FF [16:26] audio video apps? [16:26] most open source software works with 64 bits [16:26] firefox and konqueror exist as 64-bit [16:26] stillborn (n=stillbor@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff71c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [16:26] Dirac (n=dirac@95-90-40-68-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [16:26] http://dirac.cwsurf.de/ [16:26] and mplayer for video [16:26] Dirac (n=dirac@95-90-40-68-dynip.superkabel.de) left ##slackware. [16:26] all of which come with slackware64 [16:27] christian: You assume that people are using all OSS on their setup.. most don't [16:27] bloody spammers [16:27] Games are the big thing. [16:27] Dominian: i use some non-free software, flashplayer and java for example [16:27] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:27] nvidia [16:27] flashplayer and java are both available as 64-bit also [16:27] yes, i use the 64bit versions [16:27] Pig_Pen: currently running nvidia 64-bit drivers on slackware64 with full direct-rendering support [16:27] nothing like a blob to poop on a gnu [16:27] (yes, it's a blob, but it's available as a 64-bit blob...) [16:27] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [16:27] i do too, i have nvidia, flash, java [16:28] i think pragmatically, sure gnu is a good philosophy but a terrible religion [16:28] any religion is terrible IMO [16:28] i cant argue with that [16:28] s/any/all/ [16:28] replay (n=replay@69.26.205.241) joined ##slackware. [16:28] i use oss whenever possible, but sometimes i need nonfree software [16:28] christian: That is definitely the reality of the situation, no matter what RMS says. :D [16:28] That's not to say that those guys are wrong, though. Information _should_ be free. [16:28] i could live without flash, but not without a good java [16:28] openjdk is slow [16:28] there's now a 64-bit java plugin [16:28] though it only works in firefox [16:29] konqueror uses the java binary directly and doesn't a plugin [16:29] i can use 100% free distributions like gnewsense for most of my work [16:29] I'm sure it's not coincidence that that sounds so similar to 'nuisance' [16:32] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [16:32] OMG! it is a subliminal message ;p [16:35] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.175.185.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:35] The Cecil County Sheriff's Office says a teenager beat his mother with an aluminum baseball bat because she wouldn't share her french fries with him. [16:35] jeeezz! [16:35] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-181-177.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [16:35] well that's clearly the fault of the restaurant...for making the fries too good and/or addictive. Sue the fry maker [16:35] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) joined ##slackware. [16:35] I blame the baseball bat manufacturers. [16:35] blame the kid for doing crack or whatever he was on [16:35] actually, I just blame baseball. [16:35] blame MLB [16:35] lol [16:35] major leagues don't use aluminum bats, you can't pin this on them :) [16:35] blame the condom mfgr [16:35] blame her utereus and ovum [16:36] I'm Irc newb how do i save the channels i have joined [16:36] i bet he gets his ass kicked really good while doing time in jail [16:36] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:36] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) left irc: "leaving" [16:37] dyn0myt3: depends on which client you use (some don't even let you) [16:37] xchat [16:39] save it in your brain, then you can take it with you wheeever you go [16:39] Pig_Pen: isn't that why we have computers [16:39] no [16:39] ok :) [16:39] dyn0myt3: xchat will do what you want, just got to look for it [16:39] dyn0myt3, open the network list, click on edit, add favorite channels [16:39] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("()"). [16:39] e4x (n=logic@unaffiliated/e4x) joined ##slackware. [16:40] thx [16:40] bleah, people went "command line is too hard" so we gave them GUIs, now those are too hard too? [16:41] Action: Urchlay picks up his mouse and talks to it. "Oh, computerrr..." [16:41] Scotty! [16:42] she'll no take much more o' this, cap'n! [16:42] transparent aluminum ... now it's real [16:42] hrrr, didn't know that [16:43] google kmows [16:43] knows [16:43] sure, but I didn't know to search for it... [16:43] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-40-159-71.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:45] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:45] transparent aluminum? got a link InspectorCluseau ? [16:45] lf4: was afk for a while. If I had a program that did that, you really think I'd be here? :P [16:45] <_arfon_> InspectorCluseau: transparent aluminum ... now it's real - nu uh [16:45] <_arfon_> Since they REBOOTED Star trek, Scotty hasn't gone back in time.... [16:45] <_arfon_> to give the formula to the metal co [16:45] SPOILERS [16:45] the new scotty talks a lot more than the original one [16:45] <_arfon_> So poof!!! W e just lost transparent Al [16:45] Urchlay: The keyboard. How quaint. [16:45] pacman87 (n=root@pool-173-57-41-37.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] <_arfon_> SEEE How messing with time will bite you [16:47] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparent_alumina [16:47] _arfon_: it usually works out OK in the Dr. Who universe [16:47] <_arfon_> Wait... If transparent Al doesn't exist now... HOW DID THEY BUILD THE ENTERPRISE [16:47] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-147-239.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:47] <_arfon_> God I hate Abrams [16:47] http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123012131 Air Force site [16:47] well just because it wasn't invented by scotty, doesn't mean it wasn't ever invented... [16:47] (I can't believe I'm having this conversation...) [16:47] http://science.howstuffworks.com/transparent-aluminum-armor.htm [16:47] <_arfon_> That's not REAL transparent Al, that's just some 'energy crystals' that someone bought from the "natural Healing" store.... [16:49] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [16:49] <_arfon_> It wasn't invented by Scotty but, he was the one that gave it to them.... A cyclic quandry that makes my head hurt [16:49] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.41) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:49] Urchlay: Further, the timeline was only disrupted at the point of Kirk's birth, there's nothing stopping scotty from going back in time in the future (relative to the new st).. [16:49] "All you zombies", by Robert Heinlein... [16:49] that is interesting InspectorCluseau, hopefully it will make it in to consumer items like automobiles and homes [16:49] <_arfon_> Uh huh.... EVERYTHING changes from Kirk's birth onward [16:49] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:49] how do i disable akonadi? i just installed slackware64-current [16:51] <_arfon_> Haven't you heard of some such nonsense as a butterfly -wing (or something) [16:51] apparently the change affects Kirk's speech patterns even... he doesn't... talk... with those... pauses [16:51] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:51] _arfon_: We don't know that _everything_ changes. Perhaps the timeline comes back to where it was for ST:OST later on D: [16:51] Action: _arfon_ misses those dramatic pauses [16:51] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:51] _arfon_: Shatner will always be the real Kirk [16:51] Urchlay: Maybe nobody had sabataaaaged his brain yet, and he didn't develop the speech impediment? [16:51] <_arfon_> Look, even the Enterprise is uglier because of the time chages [16:51] <_arfon_> changes even [16:51] next will be warp drive [16:51] <_arfon_> I'm with Urchlay. [16:53] I can agree to that... but this young buck has enough piss & swagger in him to be convincing to me. [16:53] or at least enough for me to like him. [16:53] yeah, he did an OK job [16:53] <_arfon_> He's a flaming ass [16:53] <_arfon_> I hate him [16:53] _arfon_: Shatner is also a flaming ass though :) [16:53] I actually liked Sylar or whatever his name is, as the young Spock [16:53] <_arfon_> He's doesn't come across as confident and straong, he comes across as someone who'll rob you for liquor money and fun [16:53] <_arfon_> strong even [16:53] _arfon_: well he's at least a few years younger than Kirk from the original show [16:53] <_arfon_> Yep [16:53] having a few years as a starship commander under his belt, will cause him to mature some [16:54] you remember me at my childhood, i watched spaceship enterprise every saturday [16:54] Urchlay: Disagree about Spock. He was the one that disappointed me the most. [16:54] <_arfon_> I'm hoping he'll fall into a vat of red matter and mature into a singularity [16:54] Bones, OTOH! [16:54] <_arfon_> YEAH! That was Lifetime Channel Spock! [16:54] <_arfon_> That crappy character spends too much time crying [16:54] <_arfon_> What a biotch [16:55] bones was a dead ringer [16:55] or close anyway [16:55] <_arfon_> Christain, the TOS or cartoon? [16:55] <_arfon_> I have to admit, I did like McCoy [16:55] Urchlay: I couldn't help but think that they _nailed_ it. [16:55] <_arfon_> though it was clear he was forcing the acting [16:55] "my ex-wife got the entire damn planet in the divorce"... [16:57] <_arfon_> He must have lived in California [16:57] lol [16:57] Hi Urchlay [16:57] shyko (n=chatzill@201-76-79-115.flash.tv.br) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.16/2009040306]" [16:57] I saw the new trek film with someone who was hyper-critical of it, but I enjoyed it very much [16:57] <_arfon_> Were you with me twolf? [16:57] hehe [16:57] The actor playing McCoy was the actor that played Eomer in LOTR, right ? [16:58] really? [16:58] I think so - I'd have to check to be sure [16:58] _arfon_: "raumschiff enterprise" (spaceship enterprise) was a serial in tv here [16:58] with real people [16:58] <_arfon_> Was it the TV show or the cartoon Christian?? [16:58] <_arfon_> Raumschiff Enterprise? Sounds like a metal band [16:59] <_arfon_> Ah [16:59] <_arfon_> The TV show [16:59] Yeah, Bones was played by Karl Urban, aka Eomer in Lord of the Rings [16:59] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-191.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:59] <_arfon_> There you go Urchlay, there's a name for your band [16:59] was like a normal movie, looks like this [16:59] http://www.serienoldies.de/images2/raumschiff_spock2.jpg [16:59] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:00] <_arfon_> Yep, that's pre-sellout Nimoy [17:00] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC73PHdQX04 [17:00] That's post-sellout nimoy [17:00] oh yeah, that's right - Karl Urban was also in Chronicles of Riddick - thought he looked familiar [17:00] <_arfon_> HA HA!!!! [17:03] <_arfon_> No that's post-acid-drop Nimoy [17:03] _arfon_: take it you hadn't seen that before? :D [17:03] hola fbird [17:03] <_arfon_> Oh no, My father sells tapes of OLD radio programs... He has quite the collection of things like that [17:03] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.41) joined ##slackware. [17:03] <_arfon_> I saw that/heard that when I was a kid [17:03] the Jack Benny Show! [17:03] The radio show I listen to in the morning had a "theme" for its bumper music this morning: actors that produced really bad music/recordings [17:03] <_arfon_> alnog with Shatner's various musical renditions.... [17:03] <_arfon_> along even [17:03] reminds me, I was gonna go look for audio files of the old "Shadow" radio series [17:03] The Shadow knows [17:03] Leonard Nimoy was one of them - he recorded a song called "The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins" [17:03] ... it was hillarious [17:03] sounds painful [17:03] rk4n3: my youtube above [17:03] ah ? [17:03] Shatner did Rocketman better than Elton John did [17:03] Action: rk4n3 checks [17:04] Urchlay: ^^ my above youtube link. [17:04] heh [17:04] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427151.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:04] <_arfon_> You plike dramatic pauses Pig_pen? [17:04] not being an Elton John fan, I'd have to agree with you [17:04] Urchlay: I finally got that video cropped. avidemux FTW!!! [17:04] <_arfon_> like even [17:04] that's the hippie Spock, from the episode where he inhaled those spores or whatever [17:05] yeah... ... ...i do [17:05] heh [17:05] <_arfon_> Pardon me.... I have to fight Exim... BBL [17:05] hm, his real ears are kinda pointy [17:05] there was a serial called raumschiff orion (spaceship orion), was before enterprise [17:06] was primitive, a electric iron as a controler [17:06] an [17:06] but it was funny [17:07] i had to laugh very much [17:07] christian: does it exist in english, or at least with subtitles? [17:10] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:10] wait, i'll look [17:10] supposedly there was a "very famous german tv series" called "Raumpatrouille Orion", of which "Raumshchiff Orion" was a parody ? [17:10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTclLScCG10 [17:10] german-only though [17:10] what does "Raumpatrouille" mean ? [17:10] apparently it's a parody of something else [17:10] was raumpaouille, not raumschiff, my mistake [17:10] at a guess, rampatrouille = space patrol...? [17:10] ah [17:10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAIRlgTf7ms <--- trailer in english [17:11] Urchlay: yes [17:11] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:11] well, sort-of in english [17:11] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:13] replay (n=replay@69.26.205.241) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:13] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:16] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.22) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:16] well that's no sillier than the Dr. Who from the same time period, or Lost in Space [17:16] xyz (n=44b345a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-6513aa0c44d2758c) joined ##slackware. [17:16] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-98-192-66-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:16] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:18] xyz (n=44b345a1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-6513aa0c44d2758c) left irc: Client Quit [17:18] Does anyone know of an easter egg in `dc` ? [17:19] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [17:19] <_arfon_> During Easter weekend, the White House lawn is full of 'em Kamaji [17:19] >_> [17:19] heh [17:19] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.24) left irc: [17:20] If you punch in eighty thousand eighty five... [17:20] lol [17:20] antoni (n=user@8.pool85-53-27.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [17:21] oh, in case anybody's wondering, you can at least install c/aaa_elflibs32 from slamd64 12.2 without breaking anything on slackware64 (at least, nothing seems broken so far...) [17:21] http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9Xo-e9NEdo8/Sb9CwbJKe6I/AAAAAAAAACA/uYt25945150/s1600-h/7B8ZX.jpg [17:22] hi all [17:22] lets you run at least some 32-bit binaries [17:22] I was wondering [17:22] what about installpkg --root=/mnt/new [17:22] that's how I got -current installed in the first place :) [17:22] or removepkg all of slamd64, followed by installpkg slackware64 ? [17:22] excellent. [17:23] eh, you mean, removepkg all of slamd64 using --root, not on the running system? [17:23] do you know when will slackbook3.0 be released? [17:23] Alan_Hicks would know [17:23] $ file ./hello [17:23] ./hello: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped [17:23] $ ./hello [17:23] Hello world [17:23] hehe, i created a executable called hello some mminutes ago [17:23] ldd hello [17:23] Action: Urchlay braces himself for the kick from slackboy :) [17:24] my hello is written in c [17:24] Urchlay: ldd hello [17:24] wanna see the links [17:24] Dominian: http://pastebin.ca/1430304 [17:24] oh haha thanks [17:24] and is this on slackware64? [17:25] yup [17:25] after you installed the aaa_elflibs32 package? [17:25] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-59-105.ip37.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "leaving" [17:25] yes [17:25] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.16.95) left irc: "Leaving." [17:25] sweet [17:25] and nothing else [17:25] I don't expect to be able to *compile* 32-bit apps any time soon [17:25] Yeah, there'll be more that willbe needed for more complex packages, but that's a start at least :0 [17:25] Urchlay: no.. gcc/glibc would need a rebuild for that unfortunately [17:25] yeah. Some of the stuff in c/, you wouldn't want to install as-is [17:26] Well, dunno [17:26] I haven't tried it out [17:26] (e.g. anything that puts files in /usr/lib/pkgconfig) [17:26] I don't have any extra 64bit machines laying around that I can just install on hehe [17:26] necropresto (n=necropre@unaffiliated/necropresto) left irc: "leaving" [17:26] Ojg (n=Ojg@90-229-198-184-no150.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:26] eh, well actually, maybe /usr/lib/pkgconfig wouldn't matter (would get ignored when building 64-bit apps) [17:27] yes [17:27] anything in /usr/lib should be "safe" [17:28] but it might confuse *me* even if it doesn't confuse Makefiles :) [17:28] if its FHS compliant.. which Slackware64 appears to be [17:28] don't really care about compiling 32-bit apps all that much (generally if I have to do that, I do it on my 32-bit laptop) [17:28] hi, where can I find the actual development version of slackware? [17:29] ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current [17:29] Urchlay: oh thanks [17:29] replace with slackware64-current if you're looking for the new 64-bit stuff [17:29] Urchlay: ok [17:30] Dominian: though slackware64's gcc at least *tries* to support the -m32 option [17:31] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [17:32] BloodyLips (n=I@host10-24-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "I must fight this sickness! Find a Cure!" [17:32] firebird_619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [17:33] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:33] good bye [17:33] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:33] christian (n=christia@kobz-590f9195.pool.einsundeins.de) left ##slackware. [17:34] h0nk (n=h0nk@82.113.121.155) joined ##slackware. [17:35] Dominian: stracing pkg-config shows it does not look in /usr/lib [17:35] (I know it's not supposed to, but I'd rather know for sure....) [17:35] wait, crap, yes it does [17:35] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:36] h0nk (n=h0nk@82.113.121.155) left ##slackware. [17:36] http://pastebin.ca/1430320 <--- it looks in /usr/lib/pkgconfig *before* /usr/lib64/pkgconfig! [17:36] so I better not install all these 32-bit pkgs without ripping the pkgconfig stuff out of 'em [17:37] Urchlay: take a look at $PKG_CONFIG_PATH [17:37] that's were it should look, in the order define there [17:39] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-147-239.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [17:39] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201-1-154-121.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:39] yeah, but I wasn't aware I even had that defined in my environment... apparently I do [17:39] defined in /etc/profile.d/pkgconfig.sh [17:40] except: $ echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH [17:40] /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig [17:40] no mention of /usr/lib64/pkgconfig, yet pkg-config is definitely looking there [17:40] hmm [17:42] if I wipe out PKG_CONFIG_PATH, it looks only in /usr/lib64/pkgconfig (as I expected) [17:42] Action: cmk_zzz hates [17:43] and the man page actually tells me this is correct: "The default directory will always be searched after searching the path; [17:43] so, explicitly state lib64 first in pkgconfig.sh [17:43] or override PKG_CONFIG_PATH as necessary? [17:43] Urchlay: ah,ok [17:43] yes, but it'd be even simpler to chmod -x /etc/profile.d/pkgconfig.sh [17:44] panzer_ (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [17:44] (since I have nothing in /usr/local/lib and don't want pkgconfig looking in /usr/lib) [17:44] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:44] overriding PKG_CONFIG_PATH isn't really a very good solution for this (I'd have to do it for every single compile) [17:45] Nick change: firebird_619 -> firebird619 [17:46] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] alienBOB: is PKG_CONFIG_PATH only containing */lib/* and no */lib64/* wanted behaviour? [17:47] Nick change: panzer_ -> panzer [17:49] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:49] my PKG_CONFIG_PATH on *slamd64* : /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/lib64/pkgconfig:/usr/local/lib64/pkgconfig:/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/lib64/pkgconfig:/usr/local/lib64/pkgconfig [17:50] Hey Camarade_Tux [17:51] pacman87 (n=root@pool-173-57-41-37.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:52] hey firebird619 :) how is it going ? [17:52] going great, thanks. :) you? [17:52] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-55-213-233.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Success [17:52] actually it could be debatable whether /usr/local/lib64 should be used on slackware64 or not [17:53] I mean, if you build stuff with good old "./configure ; make ; make install", you'll end up with 64-bit libs in /usr/local/lib (not lib64) [17:53] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-55-213-233.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] now of course the correct way would be ./configure --libdir=/usr/local/lib64, but are people really gonna remember to do that? [17:55] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [17:55] (also there is currently no way to compile 32-bit stuff, so how would you ever end up with 32-bit libs in /usr/local/lib in the first place?) [17:58] LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6htYMjzIao&feature=related [17:59] *ewwww* [17:59] http://pastebin.com/m5c1f50a1 [17:59] Urchlay: its funny :) [18:00] damn! i missed part of that [18:06] t4k3r0n_ (n=takeron@189.186.103.98) joined ##slackware. [18:06] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:11] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) left irc: "Leaving." [18:11] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [18:12] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [18:12] grazymax (n=grazymax@host16-22-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[18:25] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427151.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:27] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:27] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:28] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:29] miguelrios (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) left irc: "Saliendo" [18:32] why are you guys so quiet? :P [18:32] Everyone's busy checking their boxen for 64 bit compatibility [18:32] its to early not to be... [18:32] doing fine firebird619 :) [18:32] macavity, lack of beer [18:32] (yeah, 2400000ms of lag ;) ) [18:33] --- Ping reply from Camarade_Tux : 0.75 second(s) [18:34] lies! [18:34] lol, and my sister got caught with expired registration and expired emissions today, lol [18:35] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201-1-154-121.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:35] edman007, I sometimes unplug my ethernet cable and replug it without any problem one or two minutes later :) [18:35] try [18:35] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:35] Action: edman007 waits for the reply [18:35] :) [18:35] Camarade_Tux, nice [18:36] --- Ping reply from Camarade_Tux : 13.27 second(s) [18:36] test bis [18:36] Camarade_Tux, but at my school i had much worse, i think i hit 300s before, and that is just the normal internet over there, but it is gone, i am happy [18:36] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) joined ##slackware. [18:37] ohh, this one is long.... [18:37] --- Ping reply from Camarade_Tux : 64.79 second(s) [18:38] he, I unplugged the cable for about a minute ;) [18:39] hmm, now, who lives near southwest FL? [18:39] i need stuff to do on my vacation.... [18:39] I need a vacation [18:39] hmmm, I can help you if you come in Paris ;p [18:39] i'm thinking if 4 weeks will be enough, or if i should go for a full 5 weeks [18:39] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:40] leaving on sunday anyways [18:40] well, looks like I"m headed to paris! [18:40] Action: edman007 never left the country [18:40] oh man. [18:42] but i got lots of time off, and i plan on making full use of my free time [18:42] I've left your country plenty of times! [18:42] We were on good terms after Montana, that was a fun road trip [18:42] well i'm staying in Ft Myers for a nice long time [18:42] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:44] eviljames, unfortunately I can only help one person, I guess you'll be nice to your girlfriend :) [18:44] i checked the weather though for next week, thunderstorms, 90'F, and extreme UV index, 10+ [18:44] (sentence badly written) [18:44] Camarade_Tux, girls? where? [18:44] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89.181.16.87) joined ##slackware. [18:44] Camarade_Tux: She won't be joining me, sorry. We can go trolling for hottie french girls though. They love me (and you by extension!) ;) [18:47] well...i think FL has lots of hottie beach girls :P [18:47] eviljames, argh, too bad, I'm not sure I'll be able to host you then =/ [18:47] hahahaha [18:47] Camarade_Tux: well played, sir. [18:47] Camarade_Tux, well you can send the girls over here! [18:47] call it even [18:47] edman007: Yes it does. If you're into the 65+ crowd... [18:47] :( [18:47] nah just jokes. Florida has hot-ass cuban girls wandering the streets in bikinis [18:47] heh [18:51] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [18:51] sveva65 (n=sverre@unaffiliated/sveva65) left ##slackware. [18:51] I prefer french or lebanese girls :) [18:51] i prefer hot girls [18:52] yup, me too. I aim for girls who are out of my league :D [18:52] Camarade_Tux can attest to that :D [18:53] heh [18:54] x80 (n=epoch@99.54.139.237) left irc: "Genius is only heightened common sense." [18:54] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-14-100.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:54] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [18:54] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:54] oh backlogs, we could print them and send them to somebody's girlfriend :) [18:56] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) left irc: "Saliendo" [18:56] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] Camarade_Tux, you found me a girlfriend? [18:57] yeah, eviljames's :) [18:57] comrade tux [18:59] :( [18:59] heheh [18:59] http://images.photo.bikestats.eu/zdjecie,pelne,53955,lodz-art-center.jpg [18:59] nswf [18:59] nsfw;D [18:59] no, jame's gf is taken. [18:59] dammit. post pics that ARE sfw! [18:59] Action: eviljames is @ work [18:59] lol [18:59] thumbs: yea, that's right. my gf is taken! [19:00] that was rather obvious. [19:00] holyshit I've had too much caffeine... it feels like my heart is going to explode while the chest cavity simultaneously implodes [19:00] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) joined ##slackware. [19:01] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.44) joined ##slackware. [19:01] eviljames, is she really taken ? :o [19:05] thumbs: Oh, I figured you were laying claim haha [19:05] eviljames: nah [19:05] Camarade_Tux: yea, so stop offering her out to every 007 agent that wanders by. [19:05] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:05] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:05] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:05] eviljames: I have no interest in causing an dischord here. [19:05] eviljames, well, if you want we can make share 60/40 [19:05] *ahem* [19:05] thumbs: No dischord, I'm all about the lulz. [19:05] Camarade_Tux: hahaha wtf.. Explain to me why I would want that? [19:05] eviljames: He is giving you an offer you can't refuse? (Godfather style?) [19:08] eviljames, he, you would get about 1200 by the end of the month ! [19:08] oh, you thought I wanted to share the time ? :D [19:08] heh, if anyone wanted know, quake (darkplaces engine) works beautifully on slackware64 [19:08] with 64-bit nvidia [19:08] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [19:08] maxote (n=eldragon@84.79.67.254) left irc: Client Quit [19:08] maxote (n=eldragon@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [19:09] txz? [19:09] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:10] who makes a browser based MMORPG that *still* only runs on windows?!?!? [19:10] bow down to txz :) [19:10] macavity, using activex ? >< [19:10] NyteOwl: the sucessor of tgz [19:10] why should I bow down to an audio format? [19:10] lol ;p [19:10] NyteOwl, .tar.xz -> tukaani.org [19:10] (have a look at lzma-utils) [19:12] what's wrong wqith tgz? or did someone hjust have a bad case of what the hell [19:12] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-124-166.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [19:12] Camarade_Tux: i have NO idea what they are using... but it is rather frustrating that at the end of the first decade of the seccond millinium, we are STILL being treated like sewer rats... [19:12] Camarade_Tux: txz is also an audio file format [19:12] antoni (n=user@8.pool85-53-27.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:12] macavity, website ? [19:12] Action: Urchlay is a sewer rat, you insensitive clod! [19:12] Camarade_Tux: http://pirate-galaxy.gamigo.com/ [19:12] gasp, unplugged the network cable again :D [19:12] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-724443504d325e8f) joined ##slackware. [19:12] Urchlay: oh, so that's why you smell like one :P [19:12] macavity, oh flash [19:12] Camarade_Tux: i dont think that's the issue [19:12] macavity: you have SOTP (Simple Odor Transport Protocol) for your IRC client? [19:13] if I'd known, I would have taken a shower [19:13] Camarade_Tux: i got as far as wanting to download the java gizmo [19:13] NyteOwl: I was kinda wondering the same.. why txz v tgz... [19:14] Urchlay: who do you tink invented SOTP, SATP, STABSP and FFTP? [19:14] Not enough to care or ask, but wondering nonetheless.. [19:14] eviljames: supposedly better c9omporession. it's slower than gzip for extraction though [19:14] Its just a case of change for the sake of it IMHO but it's Pat's plaything so he can do as he pelases [19:15] I just upgraded 12.2 to -current with slackpkg and rebooted. LILO stops at "LILO 22.8 Loading Slackware..........." Any ideas? I can boot to the DVD, mount the / partition, and edit /etc/lilo.conf. What could be wrong? For the record, lilo *isn't* installed to MBR of /dev/sda. It's installed to /dev/sda5. [19:15] NyteOwl: we are running into problems craming enough onto CD1 [19:15] awwwwww [19:15] NyteOwl: and it does give a slightly better compression at the default level [19:15] so use another disc or the dvd [19:15] NyteOwl: heh, just wait untill you see what i have to propose about the problem :P [19:16] macavity, tried faking your useragent ? [19:16] (although I'm not sure that will work, seems they use javascript for the discovery) [19:18] any, you can "hack" the page quite easily [19:18] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:18] Camarade_Tux: if they are confident that it doesnt work with anything else than mswindows, i wont even bother [19:18] lee555J5: was that BIOS ever able to boot from /dev/sda5? that's a logical partition, you know, not a primary... AFAIK, standard PC BIOS isn't required to support booting from a logical partition [19:18] what's next? WinZIP? [19:18] [19:18] I know - it wwill be published in .CAB files [19:18] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:18] Urchlay: yes, it booted fine to 12.2. box also booted to grub loaded on /dev/sda6. still does... [19:18] NyteOwl: it's clearly the optimal method of transporting binary data, the cab file. [19:23] With such a clever name (cabinet file, filing cabinet AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA) it couldn't go wrong! [19:23] lee555J5: dunno then. Set up your already-working grub so it can boot slack64? [19:23] NyteOwl: no, i am working on statically analyzing a package prior to calling makepkg, with the intend of converting .a files into .la, and automatically making pkg-config files if they are missing [19:23] NyteOwl: that should cut down the install size dramatically [19:23] lee555J5: also. After the kernel package got upgraded. Did you actually run lilo to rewrite the boot loader? [19:23] Urchlay: oooh... didn't think of that. although, I would like to fix lilo. [19:23] eviljames: yeah, well as far as I'm concerned, Patjust took a step to joining windows in the "forced migration" camp as you now donm't have much choice but to run the altest stable release (even if you've got your's tweked the way you liek it) or current. so basically anyone but "latest and greates" is fscked [19:23] Urchlay: yes [19:23] hm. Forgetting to run lilo is the most common reason for it to freeze like that... I dunno what's causing it for you [19:23] NyteOwl, xz is still offered as a tgz package (and will continue to be) and you can easily convert packages between formats [19:23] Urchlay: well, *I* didn't. slackpkg asked and I said yes. [19:23] heh [19:23] better double-check that lilo.conf then [19:23] Action: Urchlay doesn't trust automated kernel upgrades [19:23] Camarade_Tux: as I said - windwos type of attitude - force the suer to adapt to the system, not the system accomodate ythe suer [19:23] I shouldn't be surprised - that's the mantra these days [19:23] hooray for me and fsck anyoen else [19:23] NyteOwl: ehhh, you just said... choice is to run latest stable, or current. That was already the way it was (packages from -current aren't expected to work on stable, unless you recompile them) [19:23] Urchlay: no but I could run stable packages from a slightly newer verison on an odler one often with NO extra work [19:23] Urchlay: lilo.conf looks simple. /boot/vmlinuz now points to vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.29.2-smp [19:23] you can still do that: upgrade tar, install xz, and upgrade pkgtools from -current (it's -noarch) [19:23] Urchlay: I'll rerun lilo and see [19:23] NyteOwl, I see xz as a real improvement for gzip, it could even makes installations faster (smaller package -> faster installations from cd/dvd/network) [19:23] Camarade_Tux: how is it going to be faster since the extraction from xz is SLOWER than gzip??? [19:28] in fact that's how I installed slackware64 in the first place: used tar, xz, and pkgtools from -current on my old slamd64 12.1 install [19:28] eh, haven't timed it, but xz isn't much slower for extraction. Where it gets slow is when it's compressing [19:28] NyteOwl: I don't see what you're seeing. [19:28] NyteOwl: Then again, maybe there's something in -current that I"m not aware of? [19:28] propbably not. I'm just not a rose coloured glasses type is all *shrug*. [19:28] neither am I. First thought on hearing of xz compressed packages was about like yours... "oh, great, yet another incompatibility" [19:28] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-724443504d325e8f) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [19:28] but having used it for a while, I've got no complaints [19:28] NyteOwl, from slow medias, it can make them faster (not even speaking of overall time which is downloading from the internet and installing, packages got >30% smaller) [19:28] can still install and create the tgz-style packages [19:28] ok, even if i fudge the user agent string it gives me the "failburger" message [19:28] failburgers are tasty [19:28] .. this time just without the "linux and mac version not done yet" [19:28] gahhhh [19:28] macavity, that's probably what I thought : javascript is not affected by setting the user-agent [19:28] and if you really *really* don't want to upgrade your pkgtool, you can install xz, then xzcat file.tgz | gzip -c > file.tgz, and installpkg the resulting tgz [19:28] Camarade_Tux: the errormessage has been changed [19:28] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.33) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:28] nix_chix0r, how's the baby ? :p [19:28] Camarade_Tux: so, at least in konqueror it does [19:28] that monster energy drink helped me not pass out at work. [19:28] baby is good hes passed out [19:28] maxote (n=eldragon@84.79.67.254) left irc: Connection timed out [19:28] Urchlay: the point is the change is really unnecessary. the gains are not significant for the trouble anad complicaitons it creates [19:28] nix_chix0r: go for french roast next time :P [19:28] nix_chix0r: this kind? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-3qncy5Qfk [19:28] french ? hmmmm :) [19:28] it's just a "hey that's neat lets do it that way" rather than doing it to actually improve/solve a problem [19:28] nix_chix0r: besides, if your energy drink contains tyanine, and you brestfeed, it can have give your baby stomac pain [19:28] NyteOwl: well, the files really are smaller now (go look). To me, that's an actual benefit: quicker downloads, and/or more stuff fits on the DVD [19:29] NyteOwl, the changes are significant : probably at least 1GB for each iso, times 10000 installs ? 10TB [19:29] i dont breast feed [19:29] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:29] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Success [19:29] Urchlay: and the tradeoff is increased compaction and extraction times. You don't ever get soemthing for nothing [19:29] ok, then you can even do dope ;-) [19:29] awesome [19:29] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [19:29] anyone who needs energy drinks needs to reexamine their habits [19:29] that was next on my list i think [19:30] NyteOwl, i dont normally do energy drinks i just got off a night shift and had to start early the next day on 2hrs of sleep [19:30] nix_chix0r: mescaline baby.. mescaline [19:30] NyteOwl: no, of course you don't. However, installing the OS (or installing a package on the OS) isn't something you're constantly doing. So if it takes an extra 5 seconds to install 1 package, it's not a huge problem for me [19:30] NyteOwl, agreed [19:30] t4k3r0n_ (n=takeron@189.186.103.98) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:30] Cara_Magro (n=gustavo@201.2.1.38) joined ##slackware. [19:31] says the Nyte Owl [19:31] also, for the common use case, people have a CPU that's much faster than what was current when .tgz packages were invented... [19:31] we got home 1:15am, and had to work at 830 am but i had to drop him off at the sitter at 7 so i was up at 6 and went to bed at 4am lol [19:31] so some caffeine was required [19:31] and it made me feel all sick [19:31] Urchlay: that's ever been the lazy programmers excuse for sloppy code - "the hardware' [19:31] nix_chix0r: what do you do for a living? [19:31] s fgaster so no worries" [19:31] anyeway - we agree to disagree [19:31] I chrooted to the mount, ran lilo -v, got 2 warnings: 'LBA32 addressing assumed' and '/proc/partitions does not exist, disk scan bypassed'. At the end, '/boot/boot.0805 exists - no boot sector backup copy made'. At the end, looked ok. *Still fails* -- same place. :| [19:31] macavity, i work for a disability company for social security [19:31] nix_chix0r, examine your habits though. is there any way you could get things done at a different time? [19:32] NyteOwl: for apps, that sucks, I agree. For packages, well, I'm just not going to be running installpkg constantly once the OS is installed... [19:32] and i normally do nights there. but i had to work the morning shift because my boss took thursday and friday off to go camping and her daughter normally watches him [19:32] lee555J5: while inside the chroot, "mount /proc" before running lilo [19:32] nix_chix0r: i mean, do you sit at a computer at work? [19:32] and by nights i mean getting off work at 12am and its a 45minute drive home [19:32] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:32] macavity, yeah [19:32] nix_chix0r: time to check priorities [19:33] Action: TwinReverb would agree with NyteOwl that slow hardware is no excuse for sucky programming [19:33] lee555J5: however the lack of /proc probably isn't causing your problem [19:33] Hi nix_chix0r [19:33] NyteOwl: there is a reason a few packages in -current are left as .tgz. Upgrade to those on your 12.2 box and you will be able to install .txz packages without a hassle [19:33] nix_chix0r: ok, then it can be seriously hard to stay awake [19:33] lol, NyteOwl are you saying i dont handle my time well? i have a 2month old heh [19:33] (not that I have any guesses what *is* the cause of your problem...) [19:33] i have to work around his schedule [19:33] Urchlay: I didn't think so, but I'll try it. [19:33] nix_chix0r: I'm not going to go there [19:33] And stating that Pat moves to Microsoft practices is just plain trolling [19:34] firebird619, i don't think he understands [19:34] but if one is saying that tgz was sloppily programmed one must prove it by programming something better and/or pointing out and/or fixing the problems with tgz [19:34] I, for one, welcome the smaller iso files. [19:34] alienBOB: no, just looks liek a MS move and that's simply my opinion [19:34] it's easy to point fingers, harder to do something productive about it [19:34] thumbs++ [19:34] alienBOB: I got my video cropped with avidemux, I made a mistake with the settings and that's why it wasn't working before. [19:34] alienBOB, hi! :) thanks for getting mplayer added to -current [19:34] NyteOwl, i think you should:P [19:34] firebird619: PEBKAC? [19:34] TwinReverb: gzip vs. xz is just a different tradeoff (xz trades speed for smaller files). I don't think either one was sloppily programmed [19:35] The xz compressed packages were required because Slackware would no longer fit on a DVD or 6 CDROMs . Simple as that. No evil plot because "Pat does as he pleases" [19:35] macavity: lol, I guess. :P [19:35] stop adding crap! [19:35] i was only pointing out that it's easy to troll "foo was sloppily programmed", but that does nothing but start flame wars anyways. the spirit of Linux was intended to include "if you don't like it, fix it" [19:36] TwinReverb: absolutely [19:36] alienBOB, so patrick is going xz to be more efficient with space? [19:36] The slower decompression of a .txz is actually not an issue . It's a few percent added decompression time [19:36] TwinReverb: I didn't say anything was sloppily programmed. I was commenting on the stupid arguemtn using "new hardware is fasster" to support a discussion about lag in software eprformance [19:36] TwinReverb: that is what I said [19:36] NyteOwl, i didn't say you said that :P [19:37] it was a general comment [19:37] if anything, the speed of the cdrom / dvdrom will make or break an install time. [19:37] how the heck do i get ls to produce a total like du? [19:37] alienBOB, awesome! i was wondering if/when patrick would do so [19:37] oh, that was lame [19:37] macavity: buy it an adding amchine :p [19:37] nix_chix0r: so, are you taking caffeine intraveneously now? :P [19:37] Action: TwinReverb is a big fan of efficiency (but not a fan in the facebook sense) [19:37] just use du instead :P [19:37] rtfchangelog [19:37] du -hc *.a [19:37] Action: TwinReverb sighs as he sees people clicking to be a fan of breathing and sleeping ... wtf?! [19:37] macavity: yes it was [19:37] :) [19:38] thrice`, read it, just didn't see it evidently [19:38] firebird619, no i rarely have caffiene, so much that the can of monster whatever made me feel so ill at work but that's just cause i only had 2hrs of sleep in 2 days from being so busy heh [19:38] but i was looking more for -rc1 type comments [19:38] i look forward to the weekend [19:38] as soon as release candidates come out, i'm going to be installing [19:38] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [19:38] TwinReverb: you didnt' really look hard. look at the giant explanation on May 8 [19:38] FreonTrip (n=FreonTri@75-16-178-113.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] nix_chix0r: you better sleep all weekend to catch up on sleep. Hubby can take care of everything. :P [19:38] ah /me goes and reads it [19:38] don't have to work monday so i probally am renting a kayak this weekend dropping the baby at his moms and relaxing [19:38] ok, if we convert the static libraries on to libtool archives, we can save another 99 megs? [19:39] macavity: dont' don't ship .la crap [19:39] spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:39] nix_chix0r: sounds nice, have a great time. [19:39] er, minus a "don't" [19:39] i look forward to it [19:39] thrice`: i am working on fixing libtool too :P [19:39] hm. Actually gzip decompresses 2.5x as fast as xzip, on my setup [19:40] Urchlay: no good :| it did fix 1 warning [19:40] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:40] who knew parenting was so relaxing [19:40] :) [19:40] still not a major issue, you don't sit & run installpkg all day long like you do normal apps [19:40] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:40] thrice`: i am pretty close to being there.. if i succede, .la files will be a thousand times more usefull than .a files [19:40] lee555J5: about what I thought [19:40] Urchlay: lilo's running fine. it's not lili [19:40] lilo [19:40] thrice`: most notably since very very few ever link statically [19:40] macavity: can't a distro effectively not provide .la files, and still work OK ? [19:40] sweet [19:41] thrice`: yes it can.. but then it wastes a lot of peoples diskspace on .a files (or simply discontinues static linkin support) [19:41] yeah it's still not an issue, as you shouldn't be installing every day unless you're maybe one of those tin foil hat weirdos [19:41] or just a clutz [19:41] thrice`: or do like debian: -devel packages (which sucks too in its own right) [19:41] TwinReverb: or a developer :) [19:42] but even then, in that case, use a faster install medium like USB or something, and the "problem" (if you can call it that) is eliminated [19:42] ugh. /me hates separate -devel packages [19:42] Urchlay: It's trying to boot slackware, so the problem is after it starts /boot/vmlinuz [19:42] thrice`: btw, what is it that you dont like about .la files? they work with standard linkers you know [19:42] i am and always will be a fan of efficiency. i would even compile everything on my machine in my specific architecture but with -Os (optimize for size) if i had time or an extra machine, but again it's not worth it, etc, same old krap [19:43] macavity: ooh, nothing. am only curious, as I've never tried ;> [19:44] spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) joined ##slackware. [19:44] efficiency is worthy, but I wouldn't say it's the only concern anybody should ever have [19:44] thrice`: the only "small" problem that libtool currently has, is that it passes flags to ld as if it was doing static linkin.. even in the dynamic case [19:44] how often have you eaten a hamburger, and afterwards you go "mmm, that was efficient!" [19:45] macavity: are you on libtool2? [19:45] thrice`: not yet, no [19:45] boo :P [19:45] efficiency is not the only concern, but still... [19:46] i like efficient use of disk space, fast hardware, and well-written code compiled into cute little binary files [19:46] who wouldn't want that? [19:47] TwinReverb: sure. The subject under discussion here is a tradeoff between efficient use of CPU time vs. efficient use of disk space... [19:47] now the fun thing will be if someone has or would bother putting a flag in makepkg so that it actually tries all of the three compression algos and then selects the one that results in the smallest package [19:47] thrice`: could you pastebin the changlog from /usr/doc/libtool for me? [19:47] TwinReverb: if you did that, you'd be using 3x (well, over 2x) the CPU every time you makepkg [19:47] macavity: CRUX doesn't install anything to /usr/doc [19:47] Urchlay, wouldn't an install that used only one install media (i.e. one DVD as opposed to two DVDs or 6 CDs) make for a faster install due to no media switching? :) [19:47] thrice`: arg :P [19:47] (my crux box is what has libtool 2.26) [19:48] TwinReverb: makepkg will only look at the extension of that package you want to create [19:48] of course, the user who installs your package won't know/care how long it took for it to be compressed [19:48] alienBOB, ah [19:48] If it is .txz it will use xz [19:48] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.254.254.43) joined ##slackware. [19:48] Old_Fogie: where are you when i need you?!?! [19:48] lol [19:48] Urchlay: exactly [19:48] thrice`: could you pastebin a .la file that was made with libtool2? [19:48] TwinReverb: yep. Which (as I understand it) is the exact reason for the switch to txz: to squeeze everything onto one DVD [19:49] thrice`: yes, they are text files.. [19:49] Urchlay, then it is an efficient trade off just in merit of not switching install medium (although for those of you who use USB to install it's a non-issue) [19:49] TwinReverb: unless they're me, and the biggest USB media they own is half the size of a DVD :( [19:50] alienBOB, thanks for your mplayer packages btw (i.e. for slack 12.2) [19:50] Urchlay, well you're in luck, 4GB USB sticks aren't expensive [19:50] TwinReverb: there is that small issue of feeding Pat Volkerding. He needs to sell DVDs and CDs or there will not be many more Slackware releases [19:50] gbonvehim (i=1000@200.69.244.1) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:50] alienBOB, does he ever comment as to how well he's being fed? i would hate to ask but then again, i need to buy a copy [19:50] sometimes i wonder how well he's supported by us [19:53] TwinReverb: actually, hm. A good chunk of the DVD image is sources. Just the packages for -current 64-bit, according to du, are less then 1.4 gigs [19:53] TwinReverb: let's say he will never grow fat [19:53] TwinReverb: i would think it a fair guess that his wifes income plays the major role in their budget :-/ [19:53] so I could do the USB install with the stuff I have now if I were really into USB installs... [19:53] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:53] alienBOB, so he can't live off of slackware-only income? :( [19:53] It's all the income they have! [19:53] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl289-36.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:53] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:53] wow [19:53] oh, sorry [19:53] well i'm glad they're surviving [19:53] Action: alienBOB wonders for how long [19:53] Action: TwinReverb feels bad now [19:53] Slackware is free but it will be it's undoing as well [19:53] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:57] i wonder if i can set up my home bank to donate $5 month? [19:57] macavity: that's a good start [19:57] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@168-215-208-8.static.twtelecom.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:57] Action: thrice` notes that it's pat's choice to do this [19:57] FreonTrip (n=FreonTri@75-16-178-113.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:57] do we have estimates as to how many slackware users there are? [19:57] macavity: getting a subscription for Slackware would cost you less [19:57] alienBOB: i know [19:57] TwinReverb it's probably over 9000 :P [19:57] hmm ... [19:57] yes that was the known meme :P [19:57] TwinReverb: 42 :p [19:57] or 56, if the calculations whent wrong :P [19:57] Action: TwinReverb stabs NyteOwl and nick4 [19:58] :( [19:58] 23 if we look at prime candidates [19:58] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] no Slackware love tonight [19:58] alienBOB: but since i am rather poor too, paying $5 every month is a lot more viable than paying, say, $40 on one month a year [19:58] if we all donated $5/month to slackware pat wouldn't have to worry about it [19:58] macavity: two actually sicne there's a two vesion/year cycle [19:58] TwinReverb: if just all the regulars in here did that [19:58] there is almost 300 ppl on here right now [19:58] toastytoast: less than 100 of them are ever active [19:58] well atleast thats how many nicks are on [19:58] half at elast are just idling I think [19:58] anyone use grub to boot slackware? If so, what's your Slackware entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst look like? pastebin, please :) [19:58] toastytoast: i dont know what all the other lurkers are doing :P [19:58] it would be easier for me to make donations if they accepted paypal [19:59] Action: NyteOwl bought his last verion discs [19:59] yeah patrick should really consider putting paypal info up [19:59] twolf: likewise.. [19:59] alienBOB: are you getting this? [19:59] or maybe (for us military types) putting routing / charity info up [19:59] yeah i kinda wish the store had paypal as well [19:59] klontj (i=c721ad01@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d5c09624010b4da9) joined ##slackware. [19:59] TwinReverb: sold the M1 carbine yesterday [19:59] it's more convenient and probably more efficient if i send pat $5/month rather than paying for install media i don't really need since i can burn my own DVDs [20:00] NyteOwl, that's nice [20:00] becasue last time i tried to order from there there was an attempt to charge my card over 70000 according to my bank [20:00] macavity: I think people should only pay if they can spare the money [20:00] but perhaps "donations" could be legaly troublesome [20:00] TwinReverb: paid off my CC [20:00] :) [20:00] alienBOB: i can spare nickles and dimes [20:00] I.e. when they have a regular income [20:00] alienBOB: but enough nickles and dimes make real money [20:02] alienBOB: i do.. but its just a bit small [20:02] anyone use grub to boot Slackware? [20:02] lee555J5: you asked less than 40 lines ago [20:02] I was very grateful when I started with Slackware, that it was free [20:02] i don't sorry [20:02] And I am still grateful that it can be obtained for free [20:02] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.254.254.43) left irc: "leaving" [20:02] alienBOB: likewise [20:02] macavity: sorry, I'll be patient :) [20:02] i know some one who was trying to but i'm not sure if he succedded [20:02] free is good [20:02] but it's the right thing to do in my opinion to give back [20:04] alienBOB: but i will pay a little every month to make sure it stays that way [20:04] alienBOB: only on the account that i can *choose* to :-) [20:04] i mean, even when sex was free with certain women i have been with in the past, i still wanted to at least take 'em to dinner and a movie :) [20:04] alienBOB: its just that i am "a little forgetfull".. so going to the shop and buying 5x$1 donations every month is troublesome [20:04] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [20:04] alienBOB: if it can get set up as an automatic withdrawal, ill do it the seccond that service comes up [20:04] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:04] alienBOB: and i will pester a couple of people to do the same if i get the chance ;-) [20:06] alienBOB: also, putting the slackware store link a little more accessible on the font page *might* help [20:06] Yeah, Pat has something with that web site... updates are needed [20:10] alienBOB: and/or simply put a "monthly donation" under the Subscription page [20:10] OT: anyone have any suggestions as to how to effectively dampen vibration in a small steel rack cabnted? [20:10] alienBOB: and let users pick how much they want deducted on their card every month... it could be sold as "good karma" or something funny :P [20:10] NyteOwl, small steel rack cabnted? [20:10] Pig_Pen_ (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:10] greymaus1 (n=greymaus@86-43-189-210-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] Wholy! Slackware64! [20:10] TwinReverb: yes. it's standard 19" wide, about 18" deep rack cabinet (no rear door) short enough to fit udner a table so, about 26" high [20:10] I just noticed, sorry. [20:11] damn thing vibrates like a sone of a bitch with a rack mount case in it and two fans running [20:11] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [20:11] NyteOwl, rubber grommets for screws is the first step i'd take [20:11] then rubber grommets for the areas that contact each other [20:11] most "higher end" brand fans / cases come with rubber grommets [20:11] TwinReverb: way ahead of you :) grommeted screws, rubber backed carpet under the feet ... [20:11] a drop of 3-in-1 machine oil into the axle of the motor? [20:11] I think the problem is that it's not a rack frame with removeable panels. the rack mounting rails are integral to the case [20:13] It was originally desinged for radio and telco switching equipment, not computers :) [20:13] jayscribbs (n=josh@216.236.169.44) joined ##slackware. [20:13] ok, i just bought $5 of donation at store.slackware.com [20:14] guys, get your plastic out and do the same :-) [20:14] it works with visa electon too [20:14] only when he adds gnome :) [20:14] Action: Old_Fogie hides [20:14] lol [20:14] Action: TwinReverb stabs Old_Fogie [20:14] we have xfce, that's better [20:14] :D [20:14] Old_Fogie: could you pastebin a .la file created with libtool2? [20:14] hahahaha, hey man .. better him to compile it and do all that work then me right :) [20:14] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:15] macavity, I can yes [20:15] Old_Fogie, fwiw iirc gnome requires a team (not one person) of developers on other distributions [20:15] i wouldn't ask pat to do what it takes more than one person to do elsewhere [20:15] Old_Fogie: perferably for a library of some sort [20:16] TwinReverb, nah it dont take more than one, that's false. but it's very "obstructionist" to having a distro, and to that extent I dont blame him. [20:16] does anyone use personas for firefox? [20:16] did anyone notice my slackware persona for firefox on that website? :( [20:16] macavity, not sure I know what you're asking me to do. [20:16] tdos (n=tdos@77-99-69-5.cable.ubr16.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:19] Old_Fogie: fetch random gnomelib, find its .la file in /usr/lib/, pastebin it (it's a text file) [20:19] ah I see [20:19] Old_Fogie: just make sure you made the package after you installed libtool2 [20:19] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [20:19] yep fine [20:19] ok [20:19] I"ve got libtool-2.2.6a [20:19] considering how many people are required for other distributions, I bet one would be enough for gnome on slackware, but that wouldn't be a part-time job... [20:19] what are you trying to make? [20:19] me? [20:19] gnome for 64 [20:19] with libtool [20:24] i am trying to fix a seriously annoying bug in libtool [20:24] i just want to see if the layout of .la files has changed for libtool 2.x [20:24] Camarade_Tux, imo...gnome is managed, maintained, updated, by upstream gnome dev's in such a chaotic manner, that if I were running Slackware, and even tho my family and friends like gnome, I'd drop gnome too. I build gnome, and it's a pain in the ass because of upstream, not Slackware, or it's libs, etc. [20:24] greymaus (n=greymaus@86-46-239-168-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:24] Old_Fogie, he, I'm aware of that, I just bashing other distros ;) [20:24] gnomes a buggy mess but i still run it [20:24] jayscribbs (n=josh@216.236.169.44) left ##slackware. [20:24] tdos, running agreed. but distro maintenance, it's another story :) [20:24] mostly for the apps i can get with the bundled libs [20:24] Old_Fogie: i have the idea that a lot of your problems building gnome actually comes from libtool being retarded... [20:24] Old_Fogie: pastebin url? [20:24] which gnome distro do you maintain? [20:24] yea trying to get it to open in kedit here ..on slow box [20:24] TwinReverb: You have a slackware persona? Have a link to it? I don't use firefox, but I'm curious now to check out the persona. :P [20:24] Old_Fogie: pastebin.com/upload.php :P [20:24] sevens (n=sevens@unaffiliated/sevens) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:24] macavity, this doesn't make sense the top of the file header here [20:24] http://pastebin.com/d64cc993e [20:24] i run gsb [20:24] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [20:24] macavity, it's showing an older libtool version there, but I *know* that libtool-2.2.6a is onboard when I built it. [20:24] I wonder why it says that there. [20:24] tdos, I build by own. [20:24] Old_Fogie: and the old libtool has been removed? [20:24] old fogie, have you tried on the 64 version? [20:24] yup [20:24] odd [20:24] tdos, no I have no 64bit box [20:24] macavity, let me read thru some others [20:25] macavity, does gcc need a rebuild? [20:25] im not sure a reinstall is worth the benefit [20:26] firebird619, i'll get the link, it's just slow in coming because i'm doing like 10 things at a time [20:26] Ok, thanks. :) [20:26] Old_Fogie: grep "GNU libtool" /usr/lib/*.la | sort | less [20:29] macavity, ok here's one that does show the right libtool - built in same day http://pastebin.com/m4bd0424e [20:29] macavity, built same day as that gnome was [20:29] same box...same build system [20:29] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:29] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:29] Channel flood from Old_Fogie -- kicking [20:29] macavity, I kde when built, can utilitze different libtools at ./configure time, as that's the reason using ccache with kde is so nightmarish...so maybe gnome, and other apps, are written to use the methodology of a libtool version when the author writes the software, regardless of what's on the box? [20:29] yarvin (n=yarvin@42-57-74-65.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [20:30] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [20:30] Old_Fogie: ok, bug still present [20:30] macavity, yea I just ran your 'bash-fu' there [20:30] macavity, I got a ton of diff libtool versions reported [20:30] 1.4.22, 1.4.3, 1.5.22 1.5.24 [20:30] it goes on and on [20:30] night all :) [20:30] ?!? [20:31] Pig_Pen_ (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:31] macavity, in fact some even report being built by Debian [20:31] and I'm on slack [20:31] maxote (n=eldragon@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [20:31] they may have been precompiled [20:31] /usr/lib/libaubio.la:# Generated by ltmain.sh - GNU libtool 1.5.22 Debian 1.5.22-4 (1.1220.2.365 2005/12/18 22:14:06) [20:31] oh, yes, ive seen that on slackware too [20:31] "debian" [20:31] wait up [20:31] oh noes, I'm going to do nightmares [20:31] so precompiled code from source tarballs [20:31] that get built [20:32] err..packaged [20:32] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-104-48.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [20:32] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] libxfce4util.la:# Generated by ltmain.sh (GNU libtool) 2.2.4 Debian-2.2.4-0ubuntu4 [20:32] on slackware -current [20:32] which has 1.5.26 [20:32] macavity, same here I backported it [20:32] macavity, xfce from --current [20:32] I see debian for all xfce here too [20:32] /usr/lib/libxfcegui4.la:# Generated by ltmain.sh (GNU libtool) 2.2.4 Debian-2.2.4-0ubuntu4 [20:35] tdos (n=tdos@77-99-69-5.cable.ubr16.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [20:35] omg! ubunut is contaminating my SlacXw4rZ [20:35] hahah [20:35] hey we need a new ambigram Slackware64 logo now [20:35] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:35] macavity, but a good point of mention if anything about the libtool 2 is, I've yet to find an app that wont build with it, so that's good. [20:35] there is something really really fishy going on with libtool.......... [20:35] and all my Slack 12.1 stuff that I dont rebuild, seems fine with it so far, after a good month now. [20:35] macavity, but what bug is it, that you're referring to that is still existent in this 2 series libtool, vs the 1 series? [20:36] libtool "a tool that enables proper linking on braindamaged system by introducint back the nightmare of static linking practices on sane systems that otherwise worked as intended" [20:37] Old_Fogie: compile "helloworld.c" with -lX11 -ljpeg -lgnutls [20:37] Old_Fogie: then run objdump | grep NEEDED [20:37] Old_Fogie kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [20:37] Old_Fogie: ... that is what libtool does [20:37] Channel flood from macavity -- kicking [20:37] O_O [20:38] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [20:38] slackboy: hey! you are lagging behind! [20:38] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:38] Old_Fogie: ... that is what libtool does [20:38] flood this slackboy ! [20:38] I missed the end there, slackboy decided to boot my butt. macavity [20:38] i repetated [20:40] you see, ld respects what you tell it [20:40] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.196) left irc: "I'll Be Back!!" [20:40] so if you do -lfubar -lfubaz it *will* add those .so files to the .dynamic section of your ELF executable/library [20:40] libtool calls ld with all the arguments that is needed for *static* linking [20:41] that is, the dependencies of dependencies of dependencies... aaaall the way down the chain [20:41] yes I see [20:41] that is just so damn *not* needed with dynamiclinking [20:41] *dynamic linking [20:41] but we get the same effect [20:41] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-30-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:41] appfoo -> libbar -> libbaz [20:45] starts the "I'm here, are you here...yes I'm here - glad your here too, let's see if xyz is here, hey xyz are you here" nightmare [20:45] if libbar was made with libtool, and appfoo used libtool to link itself against it, then appfoo depends directly on libbaz [20:45] now, if libbaz gets an ABI change, every single app that used libtool to link to libbar will have to be recompiled [20:45] *great* huh? [20:45] we are back to the day where we had to recompile everything and its grandmother everytime a library was upgraded [20:45] >_< [20:45] well.. at least close to it [20:45] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [20:45] macavity, yea I see what you mean. I find that is the case more times that I'd like to have happen for sure. If I change sqlite on my box, it's a nightmare. [20:45] for example. [20:45] why do you think i am so bloody intent on fixing this? [20:45] macavity, sounds like a big undertaking :) [20:45] certainly beyond my abilities, good luck :) [20:45] macavity kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [20:45] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:45] slackboy, go for a walk [20:45] slackboy: FUCK YOU! [20:45] alienBOB: ping? [20:45] he's got some issue's today for sure. [20:46] alienBOB: slackboy is lagging out and kicking people for no good reason [20:46] good enough reason to curse [20:46] has slackboy been upgraded to 64bit? maybe that's why :) [20:46] it is twice the errors of 32 bit you know :) [20:46] Old_Fogie: no, he has been recompiled using libtool [20:46] howdy ananke [20:47] straterra : hello [20:47] macavity, "grep Debian /usr/lib/slackboy.la" :) [20:47] question for you [20:47] straterra : shoot [20:47] we have a couple of older, dual, dual-core servers at work running esx atm [20:49] so um guess what windows jsut did? [20:49] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl289-36.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [20:49] it bsoded during shutdown [20:49] we have a nice san backend..but the servers have 6 (iirc) scsi-320 10krpm hard drives [20:49] 'dual core' can't be that old :) [20:49] i thought it was kinda funny [20:49] toastytoast, I've had that happen, was usb issues, but with windows..who knows [20:49] our erp system does some pretty extensive postgres operations and we're kicking around the idea of buying a new server for the vm's..and making one a standalone postgres server [20:49] straterra : k [20:49] well..relatively old..its an early dual core xeon...it only takes ddr2-400 [20:49] but alas [20:51] is there anything you'd do besides make the drivers 0+1? [20:51] machine has 10 gigs of ram [20:51] Not sure if we should invest in new drives too [20:51] Channel flood from straterra -- kicking [20:51] or if price wise, a newer lower end would be better [20:51] straterra : it really depends on what kind of load work you expect to see. raid10 with those drives will bring you nice performance [20:51] 10 instead of 01? [20:51] straterra kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [20:52] of course, your cheapest upgrade option is memory. forget the drives [20:52] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [20:52] of course, your cheapest upgrade option is memory. forget the drives [20:52] fuck you bot [20:52] no need to curse, really :) [20:52] true [20:52] im just tired :P [20:52] ok..it'll take 16 gigs [20:52] straterra : seriously though, memory is a much cheaper, and much more effective upgrade to that server [20:52] Alright [20:53] it needs 3, 2 gb sticks..should be cheap [20:53] beyond that, you'd need to profile your work load and see where your bottlenecks are [20:53] well [20:53] crucial.com :) [20:53] java is a bottleneck o.O [20:53] the erp system is totally java (tomcat) [20:53] its not threaded well at all..one intensive task stops all jobs [20:53] Channel flood from straterra -- kicking [20:53] (like the accounting people generating a literal 2k page pdf) [20:53] BringingSexyBack (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [20:53] time for jboss cluster :) [20:53] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:54] we were thinking a centralized db backend..and a loadbalancer [20:54] and multiple machines running tomcat..but a true cluster may work better [20:56] for one, fronting tomcat with apache and mod_proxy could be useful. or even mod_jk [20:56] http://www.getpersonas.com/persona/8055 <-- slackware linux persona for firefox [20:56] hmm... [20:57] I'll keep that in mind..thanks! [20:57] BringingSexyBack: Thanks. [20:57] no problem [20:57] Nick change: BringingSexyBack -> TwinReverb [20:57] fortyqueue (n=jake_sla@76.22.245.235) joined ##slackware. [20:59] straterra kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [20:59] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [20:59] really? [20:59] straterra, :) [20:59] is slackboy written in Java? [20:59] a real man would go for getting kicked 3x :) [20:59] straterra, he's so lagged out for some reason. [20:59] I blame...cpunches [20:59] hahah [20:59] bbiab [20:59] TwinReverb: That's very nice. [21:00] thanks, it was actually easy to do [21:02] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-30-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:06] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [21:07] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [21:07] Oh, Java... [21:09] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.28.192) left irc: "Changing server" [21:09] night all [21:09] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [21:09] fortyqueue (n=jake_sla@76.22.245.235) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:10] Urchlay: still around? [21:15] klontj (i=c721ad01@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d5c09624010b4da9) left ##slackware. [21:15] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:15] wb [21:15] Cara_Magro (n=gustavo@201.2.1.38) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [21:15] :D [21:15] Action: firebird619 waves hello to Old_Fogie [21:16] apparently my pooter needed a reboot for the scanner to work (just installed sane) [21:16] hey firebird619 [21:16] How's it going Old_Fogie? [21:17] almost the weekend :) [21:17] YAY [21:17] :) [21:18] yea got my new keg-er-ator humming along too now. [21:18] nice [21:18] the other one died, so I had to do a 'self regulated bailout' cuz my needs are 'too big to fail' :) [21:19] it's cheaper to buy a new one, then fix the old. times, they do change [21:19] at the risk of sounding like a moron, what is a keg-er-rator? ***hitest ducks**** [21:19] Old_Fogie: sounds like printers. Cheaper to buy a new printer than it is ink. :P [21:19] firebird619, tell me about it [21:19] hitest, the marriage of a refrigerator and a keg of beer :) [21:20] lol.......awesome!!!! [21:20] yea man [21:20] I want one of those [21:20] happy marriage too, that's a rarity eh? :P [21:20] Cara_Magro (n=gustavo@201.2.1.38) joined ##slackware. [21:20] I have two of em' actually, but I dont use the other one. [21:20] One is outside on the deck, and it's under the enclosure for the grill, etc. So it's bascially a tap is all you see. [21:21] the other is at the kitchen sink. [21:21] you are well fortified [21:21] but since so many grandkids around, the wife wont let me have beer out of there. [21:23] :D [21:23] "..fortified" ah yes, I do like my libations :) [21:23] oh yes.....me as well:) [21:23] but actually I dont drink that much really. [21:23] nor do I;-) [21:23] I prefer alcohol over beer, but a beer is splendid after working outside for a few hours on the yard, etc. [21:23] true [21:23] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-181-126.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] uh, how can you prefer alcohol over beer? that's like preferring GNU to a distribution [21:24] most people refer to alcohol as hard liquor [21:24] well..some peiple [21:24] people* [21:24] nothing hard about it, goes down smooth here :) [21:25] i prefer pure grain alcohol over any other form of booze, but i mix it with cold 7up, not like i am crazy enough to drink that straight [21:25] yea grain straight is not recommended [21:25] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.122.76) joined ##slackware. [21:25] burn a hole in your tummu [21:25] tummy [21:25] tummies [21:26] I got two :) [21:26] he's old [21:26] hes the beta model of human [21:26] hahah [21:26] Action: TClayton likes corona extra w/lime [21:26] cool, when can upgrade to a new & improved body [21:26] lmao [21:28] heh [21:28] Old_Fogie are you the missing link? [21:28] after you reboot your life...duh [21:28] just like any kernel [21:28] nope not me, but I'm old enuff to recall knowing him, but too old to remember where he is [21:28] lol [21:28] you can replace some of the userspace..but the kernel..gotta reboot :/ [21:28] freack (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [21:28] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:28] that would be something if doctors can clone your body then when it gets to be like a young adult they transplant your brain in it [21:28] it'd make for a good movie that's for sure [21:29] make a good sci/fi action thriller [21:29] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.6.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:29] well depends who it is, some people are boring so it could be a real sleeper too [21:30] death is the equalizer that even the most rich and powerful can not escape from [21:33] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: "leaving" [21:33] read the news lately, so is 'taxes' [21:33] there are lots of people that evade paying taxes [21:33] like I said, read the news, 8000 was it or 80,000 new tax agents soon to be employed. [21:33] Pig_Pen, how do you know if there are lots of people evading taxes? what investigations have you done? what research? sounds to me like you're assuming [21:33] too bad foureyes is not in here, the dx/skip on 11 meters is kicking it tonite [21:33] that should change it for sure. [21:36] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) joined ##slackware. [21:36] Old_Fogie, but you must have heard that quote 'there are two things in life that are sure - death and taxes' - can't recall who said it though.. [21:36] heh, you can run, but you cant hide :) [21:36] lol TwinReverb take my word for it, lots of people do it, some are rich some just get by on average income [21:36] dive, yup it's true. [21:36] Pig_Pen, i think i won't take your word for it because you have no evidence [21:36] fine suit yourself [21:36] hey did the guy from the vampire movies, oh what's his name, did he go to jail, hmmm [21:36] for tax evasion yet I mean [21:36] what was his name... [21:36] there are two ways - tax avoidance and tax evasion - one is slightly illegal and gov wants to crack down on it [21:36] i forget which is which though [21:36] dive, there's one more for that. promote the "I forgot to pay my taxes..can I be head of the US finances now" ..that's the third 'way' :) [21:36] apparently there is no law in the us constition to say that people must [ay tax [21:41] some have found the loophole [21:41] baffles my mind [21:41] but then i saw it on tv so ... [21:41] there is also contract labor where individuals are supposed to manage their own taxes and they dont report any income and dont pay anyting in [21:41] Pig_Pen, yeah thats true enough [21:41] or you can at least adjust the ammount [21:41] well if you work out of country for over 300 days (at least it used to be) you paid none as well either [21:41] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:41] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:41] you think all those illegal aliens that come to the usa and work pay taxes, heck no, what they dont keep in their pockets they send to mexico to feed their families [21:41] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [21:42] they prolly send more than they keep tho [21:42] clavius2 (n=James@c-71-56-76-178.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:42] clavius (n=James@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:42] well soem might [21:42] they dont get paid much either, places that hire them know this and take advantage of them [21:43] yes but it's still more than they make in mexico [21:43] Action: toastytoast shrugs [21:43] i'm pretty inderfrent on the matter to be honest [21:43] i am not for it or against it, just revealing it [21:44] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:44] they have to make a living and survive too so i dont blame them [21:44] well it's cheap labour and their families need the money [21:44] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:44] that'll teach me to watch where I click more. clicked brutal chess is lie of patience..ouch locked up my X [21:46] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:46] lol [21:46] Hey dive, how's it going? [21:46] hi firebird619 not bad at all at the moment, hows you? [21:46] doing great, thanks. Trying to figure out tovid's gui, with little success so far, complains about wxPython. [21:46] which I have [21:47] What sort of complaint? [21:47] version conflict? [21:47] I'm guessing. [21:47] firebird619, if I'm not mistaken, you can swtich wxpython with wxGTK (which seems to allow things to build better) [21:47] firebird619, but double check me on that. [21:47] Could you pastebin the complaint? [21:47] or am I confused with wxWidgets (thanks to their naming...it's easy to be confused) [21:49] not sure, when I try running tovidgui from cli, it says it requires wxPython 2.6. The tovid Web site says it needs wxPython 2.6 or newer. I have 2.8.9.2 from SBo. [21:49] Sbo? [21:49] Old_Fogie: No, it's wxGTK. You can use wxGTK, but wxPython has wxGTK in it, therefore you can't have both installed. [21:49] caoliver: slackbuilds.org (SBo) [21:49] Ok. [21:49] caoliver, slackbuilds.org [21:49] clavius2 (n=James@c-71-56-76-178.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:49] firebird619, right, and for whatever reason, my notes here show "dont use wxPython". but I didn't wright down why [21:49] I don't go there too often, though I did for Inkscape which is a very painful thing to build. [21:50] lol [21:50] inkscape isn't hard to build at all. [21:50] try qt [21:50] oh man that takes forever. :( [21:50] Thank you, but NO! [21:50] firebird619, oh it's getting a alot more depends now a days, whew takes an hour and half to build cvs version. [21:50] well it isn't 'hard'but it keeps you up all night ;) [21:50] building gtkmm for it, is a monster too [21:53] For me, it was dealing with the mm and boost stuff, and I have my aps hanging off of /opt rather than /usr/local [21:53] This is all that tovidgui says: tovidgui requires wxPython 2.6; please install or upgrade wxPython. [21:53] with /opt for gtk stuff, that's no surprise you got issue building inkscape, it links to so much it's not even funny [21:53] I'm wondering what/how to get my slackbuilds working for sw64 [21:53] or even if they will work [21:53] need a sw64 user to chuck em at to test [21:53] firebird619, do they say anything about which python is needed? [21:53] 1) change arch to x86_64; 2) add --libdir=/usr/lib64 [21:53] dive, just read the part that calls for 'if ARCH... in a Slackbuild really [21:53] thrice`, is that all? [21:53] Yup. The gtk was the slack stuff, but rpath got a heavy workout. [21:53] Old_Fogie: no, it doesn't specify. [21:53] and oh thrice` has it [21:53] right [21:53] firebird619, hmmm you have a link to source? [21:55] that's it for autotools based builds, sure [21:55] Inkscape did put me in dependency hell for a while. [21:55] Old_Fogie: http://tovid.googlecode.com/files/tovid-0.31.tar.gz [21:55] Anyone here play with kvm & qemu? [21:55] firebird619, ok [21:55] Old_Fogie: As always seems to be the case, I'm sure it's some simple thing/something I missed. :P [21:55] I've also installed sw64. Seems that the nvidia driver installer is acting weirdly... [21:55] Which version of NV? [21:55] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:55] And what kernel version? [21:55] 180.51 [21:55] 2.6.29.2 [21:56] Seems like the curses lib is stripping out the whitespace [21:56] I stayed back with 2.6.27.23 just 'cos of potential driver issues. [21:58] This laptop has an ATI card, and they don't deal at all with 2.6.29.foo yet. [21:58] No idea about NV as I try to have the same kernel rev everywhere. [21:58] X can't find the "pcidata" module. [21:58] i have 2.6.29.3 with nvidia running good here [21:58] exbio_ (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: "Leaving" [21:58] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.41) left irc: ":wq" [21:58] 2.6.29.4 is out, i read the changelog and it looked like the changes did not effect my hardware so i did not build it [21:59] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] 64 bit or 32? The laptop and desktops are 64 bit as it stands. [21:59] Fresh slackware64 install [21:59] firebird619, near the top of the src/tovidgui file is where it performs the wx check. not sure how they get the 'import wxversion' I dont have the depends to run ./configure on this at all it just bails. but that is the file that does the check [21:59] I don't want to head back to 32bit land as I hack lisp, and I don't want to go back to 30 bit fixnums. [21:59] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: [22:02] 2.6.30-rc6 slackware64 also works great with nvidia :P [22:02] Cool. Still would leave my poor laptop backdated. [22:02] firebird619, http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/tovidgui <--- they're using wxgtk [22:02] both my PCs are 32 bit, [22:02] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:02] Old_Fogie: Hmm, ok. Tovid has a slackware package as well as Slackbuild and slac-desc files, I used the slackbuild and the source. I watched the output and I never seen it check at all for wxPython during that. [22:02] I've got a desktop and 2 laptops 32 bit [22:02] And I was trying to avoid compiling another kernel. :/ [22:02] Hey chopp, how's it going? [22:02] I have nothing 64 bit [22:03] firebird619, like I said, for some reason, I find more stuff does work with wxgtk then the one you're using (or that's what I think is the reason I dropped the wx you use and went wxgtk) [22:03] I have one 32 bit only laptop I'm trying to put out of service. [22:03] so I hope that 32 bit support/releases carry on ... [22:03] i dont mind building a new kernel, but with just incrimental updates i read the changelog to see if it is worthwhile [22:03] In time, 32bit won't even be used. [22:03] yeah in time, but how long? [22:03] Same here. I run 32 under emulation to build the linux that runs my firewall. [22:03] firebird619: good thanks, and yourself? [22:03] Old_Fogie: I'll probably remove wxPython and install wxGTK and then rebuild tovid and see what happens. Thanks. [22:03] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:03] firebird619, I know I have audacity, and filezilla working with wxgtk. cant off top of my head recall what else I use it for, oh 'wxcam' also. [22:04] chopp: doing great, thanks. Was looking at adesklets earlier, what did to change/patch to get it working? [22:04] 32 bit is not going to go away anytime soon [22:04] I hope not Pig_Pen [22:04] Old_Fogie: Ok, I'll give wxGTK a try and see if it helps. I can always go back or change things if something happens. :P [22:04] but in time it will go the way of 16bit [22:04] wxpython should include wxgtk [22:04] XGizzmo_: it does [22:04] I hope not as the EEE that's my firewall won't do 64. [22:05] XGizzmo_, yea supposed to but getting stuff to build of wxpython is a nightmare for me, so fwiw I told him to try wxgtk cuz all the stuff that I built from SBo that asks for the 'wx$' works for me if I use that wxGTK [22:05] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:05] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:05] Hey MLanden, how's it going? [22:05] Heya,folks...How's everyone? [22:05] doing great, thanks MLanden [22:05] hi MLanden [22:05] dive: you mean your hdw isn't or the linux install isn't? [22:10] Doin' great,firebird619 [22:10] heya,dive [22:10] caoliver, eh? [22:10] hdw? [22:10] Oops. Responded to something a page ago. [22:10] ok ;p [22:10] Action: caoliver smacks himself with a clue-by-four. [22:10] Old_Fogie: yeah, use what ever works. just dont have more than 1 wx* package installed. [22:10] firebird619: alienBOBs slackbuild, change the version to 0.6.1, extract the source, patch with http://adesklets.sourceforge.net/forum_archive/topics/341.html , compress source again, and build. [22:10] chopp: Awesome. Thank you. :) I'll get to that once I fix tovid. :) [22:10] np [22:10] I had problems with adesklets even after patching it. [22:10] Why not just update the slackbuild to apply the patch? [22:10] Hey Dominian, how are you? [22:10] good.. busy installing a copy of slackware-curernt so I can do some grsecurity testing.. you? [22:10] doing great, thank you. [22:10] Dominian: sure could. [22:10] chopp: Hmm, I'm reading through that page and it has to do with fontconfig. I had built adesklets with --without-fontconfig otherwise it didn't work at all when I first installed. [22:11] nathanbw (i=1000@c-98-192-1-5.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:12] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-30-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:12] firebird619: yes I noticed messing with fontconfig as an option, but I think you're better of trying the patch route. [22:12] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-40-214.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:13] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.103.98) joined ##slackware. [22:13] chopp: yes, I will. [22:13] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:13] you said you had imlib2 installed right? [22:13] yup [22:14] ok :) [22:16] oh what the heck, kino up and quit on me and I didn't even notice. :P [22:16] that's because it starts with k ;) [22:16] lol [22:16] * firebird619 is now known as failbird619 [22:16] Nick change: firebird619 -> failbird619 [22:16] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:16] hehe [22:16] :( [22:17] tovid, adesklets and kino...all fails :) [22:17] I feel for ya :) [22:17] This isn't a good day I guess, but I finally got my video cropped. PLUS, I saved a ton of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico. :P (just kidding) [22:17] argh... [22:17] lol [22:18] Nick change: failbird619 -> firebird619 [22:18] Dominian: becoming a pirate are we? :P [22:18] wb [22:18] :) [22:18] did you get that video cropped the way you wanted it firebird619 ? [22:18] Pig_Pen: yeah, finally with avidemux. It didn't work before in avidemux because some settings needed to be changed. [22:18] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13938 [22:19] Dominian: hahaha [22:19] Dominian, :) [22:20] If he'd have thought about that, how could you have said what you did if you couldn't hear him. :P [22:20] thats good firebird619, when i find a video with a messed up aspect ratio or some other glitch i dont like i usually delete it and find another way to rip/encode it [22:20] http://noobfarm.org/index.php?id=1531 [22:20] _ohm (n=mark@pool-71-99-30-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:20] pwned [22:20] haha, nice [22:21] HAHAHA [22:21] lol cruel bast'ard [22:21] I didn't think he'd fall for it.. [22:21] but he did [22:21] aye yes.. he did [22:22] Old_Fogie: wxGTK is built, now to build tovid. Here goes nothing. With any luck, I'll redeem this day of FAIL. :P [22:22] firebird619, remember removed the other wx first [22:24] 'it's ok, just type your password and all we will see is *****' [22:24] i am going to have to look in to this avidemux thing, i never heard of it before you mentioned it or whoever else brought it up in here [22:24] already removed. :) [22:24] dive: hahaha I love that one [22:24] Pig_Pen: It's a very nice program, has some nice filters, etc. [22:24] If anyone in the back can't hear me, raise your hand. [22:24] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:24] o/ [22:24] Pig_Pen: alienBOB had mentioned it yesterday, he was going to put up 32bit and 64bit versions today he said. not sure if he has or not though. [22:24] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:24] otherwise it's on sbo as well [22:25] what are its dependencies? [22:25] ffmpeg? xine? [22:25] fwiw, ther's also a win version of avidemux gtk &/or qt4 so if cross compatibility is a plus for you, go to it [22:25] something has xine for a dep? [22:25] sucks [22:25] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:25] Action: dive goes to rest his aching head [22:25] no windows here, both my PCs are 100% slack linux [22:28] Pig_Pen: lame, fad2, faac, a52dec, libdca, xvidcore, and x264. Optional are qt4, aften, amrnb, jack, and libsamplerate [22:28] s/fad2/faad2/ [22:28] and then whatever deps those things may have. [22:28] thanks firebird619, i saved that as text [22:28] yw [22:28] Pig_Pen, this should give you at least an idea http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.2/multimedia/avidemux-gtk/2.4.4/src/slack-required [22:28] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [22:28] Old_Fogie: The FAIL train continues. :( [22:28] firebird619, oh? [22:28] the tovid fails? [22:28] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13939 [22:28] wxversion issues now [22:28] slack has some of those apps, cairo, pango and xorg libs, i hope i wont have to rebuild any of those and just add the missing dependencies [22:28] Pig_Pen, no rebuilds needed. [22:28] nice :) [22:28] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.122.76) left irc: "Leaving" [22:28] Pig_Pen, that file is an ldd output of requiredbuilder app, it 'tries' to tell, what slack official and third party are needed [22:29] ok, thanks Old_Fogie, i saved that too, this will give me something to do this weekend [22:29] firebird619, http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.2/multimedia/tovid/0.31/src/ [22:29] signal11_ (i=esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] firebird619, that should give you an idea of how they did it for 12.2 [22:29] k, thanks [22:29] Pig_Pen, SBo has scripts for all the depends [22:30] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:30] good, i will check those too [22:31] firebird619, actually their slackbuild, and slak required dont say anything special [22:31] that's a waste [22:32] haha, yeah. [22:32] I'll give running ./configure a try and see if I get any more helpful output. :P [22:33] Shaman286 (n=lucas@189.71.50.77) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:33] unless they dont build the gui, or .. they forgot to put the wxpython/wxgtk in the slack-required file. [22:36] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.103.98) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:36] Hmm, well ./configure doesn't error out or show anything. [22:36] signal11 (i=esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [22:36] I'd say try ./config...and make as a normal user as a test [22:36] ./configure runs here for a split sec exiting for deps [22:36] stuff I aint ever heard of too [22:36] http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/fail-owned-shoveling-fail.jpg?w=500&h=375 [22:36] Old_Fogie: well, it just built and installed fine to the directory I have to build stuff to as a test. [22:36] but I get the same error I pastebined above about wxversion [22:36] so it built fine but errors? doesnt sound fine to me :) [22:37] night all:) [22:37] gn hitest [22:37] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:37] Well, it built fine, but trying to run tovidegui I get that same wxverison error. [22:37] what do you have installed for wx* ? [22:37] just wxGTK [22:41] firebird619, are you installing this to the system? or are you doing something like ~/bin/ [22:41] or /opt or what have you [22:41] did you try wxPython instead ? [22:41] yup [22:41] it's a python error, it seems [22:41] did you remove wxGTK when you installed wxPython ? [22:41] I had tried wxPython first and it complained about needing wxPython 2.6 (I had 2.8.9.2) and then I removed wxPython and installed wxGTk to try. [22:41] i had the same problem with wxwidgets too with audacity and some other app, seems like every app wants a different version, make it more trouble than it was worth so i avoid those kinds of apps [22:41] firebird619: yeah, different versions of wxWidgets apps need SPECIFIC versions of their libs [22:43] Pig_Pen, I know , same here, wxpython's never been good, so I go wxgtk. but other's have issues with that. it's a ymmv thing for sure [22:43] firebird619: i noticed that [22:43] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:43] firebird619: that's why many cross-platform apps use gtk+ [22:43] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [22:43] Old_Fogie: think building wxPython with the latest source would help at all? Worth a try anyway? [22:43] yes [22:43] well they show the min version there [22:43] in that src file I pointed out to you [22:43] I would remove wxgtk, and install wxpython, then try [22:43] k, I'll give wxPython a try again and hopefully it works. :P [22:45] firebird619, near the top of the src/tovidgui file is where it performs the wx check. [22:45] maybe it's just too old :| [22:45] watch it young buck! [22:45] hiptobecubic (n=john@68.143.173.73.nw.nuvox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] yarvin (n=yarvin@42-57-74-65.gci.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:45] have you tried the latest svn version ? [22:45] Old_Fogie: think that's it. It's *only* looking for 2.6 and when it see's 2.8 it fails? [22:45] thrice`: no [22:46] underguiz (n=undergui@unaffiliated/underguiz) joined ##slackware. [22:46] tds5016 (n=travis@64.178.96.214.dynamic.dejazzd.com) joined ##slackware. [22:46] you could try that: svn co http://tovid.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ [22:46] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: ""brb"" [22:46] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.6.18) joined ##slackware. [22:46] thrice`: yeah, I'll give that a try. thanks. [22:47] thrice`: try that with the 2.8 wxPython from SBo or try a newer wxPython too? [22:48] might be easiest to try with what you've got installed already :) [22:48] k, will do. Thanks. :) [22:48] good night everyone [22:48] night macavity [22:48] [ libtool sucks ] [22:48] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:49] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "Libtool Sucks(TM)" [22:49] wb Old_Fogie :) [22:49] :D [22:49] Old_Fogie: WB [22:49] kernel upgrade, all is good. [22:49] Ah, nothing like a fresh new kernel. :) [22:49] so long as it works yup :) [22:49] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-181-126.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [22:49] that's another issue I'm having, the framebuffer. :P [22:50] I haven't built 2.6.29.4 yet because I've still been building with the rt patch and it isn't released yet for 2.6.29.4 [22:51] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.199.198) joined ##slackware. [22:51] signal11_ (i=esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:52] I'm still using the 27 series [22:52] will be for the foreseeable future [22:52] nothing wrong with that. [22:52] it's long term support, so makes life simpler [22:52] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-26-51.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:53] there's really not much work being done for my pc's in the main kernel these days, heck all of em run fine on 2.4 kernel. [22:53] signal11 (i=esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [22:53] with the exception of my netbooks of course [22:56] what do you guys use to stop brute forcers [22:56] ssh [22:56] could imagine,Old_Fogie [22:58] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [22:58] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [22:58] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) joined ##slackware. [22:58] took 2 seconds to install/configure fail2ban [22:58] hehe [22:59] i love sbopkg [23:00] is gmail _actually_ down? [23:00] jeev : i use netfilter itself [23:00] hiptobecubic :nope [23:00] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@97-86-234-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:00] ananke, rats. must be me [23:00] http://sshguard.sourceforge.net/ [23:00] one option [23:00] Hey Rat409, how's it going? [23:00] ilke manually ? [23:00] fail2ban just checks the logs and does it itself.. with iptables [23:00] hot,t.g. wasn't humid today [23:01] yup bbl ufc 98 replays on :) [23:01] yeah, the heat isn't quite as bad as the humidity. :P [23:01] later Rat409 [23:04] later,good luck w/the builds [23:04] is it just me or is slashdot acting really messed up right now? [23:04] freack (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:04] aceofspades19, define "messed up" [23:04] Action: firebird619 waves hello to edman007 [23:04] if you mean completely normal, than yes, it is normal [23:04] hi [23:04] as in when I click and article it reloads the main page edman007 ? [23:04] and I can't login [23:05] well it shows me as logged in, but, yea, messed up, third click loaded the article though [23:05] edman007: go to bed! [23:05] firebird619: you to!! GO TO BED :P [23:05] tecky, huh?!?! [23:05] are you insane? [23:05] tecky: Why, it's only 22:05 [23:05] whatsz this bed you speak of? [23:05] lol [23:05] only 23:05 [23:05] they have beds now? [23:05] edman007: you're running an hour fast. :P [23:06] jk [23:06] aceofspades19: evidently [23:06] bah [23:06] both of you are terrible! [23:06] toastytoast, i hear it is an object that puts you into a coma for approximately 1/3 of the day, preventing you from having fun! [23:06] tecky, well why are you awake? [23:06] explain yourself! [23:06] Google shows 335,000,000 results for bed. :P [23:06] dthats doesn't sound good at all no no no [23:07] edman007: i ..... cant sleep! :) [23:07] tecky: why not? the fiancee? :P [23:08] tecky, i got my caffeine tolerance so high that i can hit almost 1g of caffeine a day without feeling awake [23:08] wow [23:08] edman007: you get your other final grades yet? [23:09] uvv (n=uvv@85.117.64.129) joined ##slackware. [23:09] firebird619: EXACTLY! she wants this ... cuddle thing ugh! SO DIRTY! [23:09] hahaha [23:10] edman007: i dont know what to tell you, case of redbull / night is bound to kill you sooner than later?? [23:10] firebird619, yea, and my elective was my lowest grade, B :( [23:10] i'm going to cut way back after this weekend... [23:10] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:10] that's not so bad, could have been lower. [23:10] I've heard of B- before, but never B:( [23:10] going to get nasty headaches :( [23:11] when do you head for Florida? [23:11] sunday [23:11] night,folks..good luck [23:11] gn MLanden [23:11] cool, have a good trip. :) [23:11] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [23:11] night MLanden [23:11] firebird619, i think a full month on the beach will be good [23:11] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-26-51.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "fui" [23:11] oh yeah, indeed it will. :) [23:12] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:12] edman007: where to in FL ? [23:12] ft myers [23:12] are you near there? [23:12] dont forget your swim trunks, and a doctor's face mask (since your so close to mexico) [23:12] haha [23:12] lol [23:12] closer to cuba [23:12] ft. meyers? that's a retirement community [23:13] there's a saying "Ft. Meyer's - it's either newlywed's or half-deads" [23:13] my grandma is there, but the beach area does not have many old people :D [23:13] hahaha [23:13] anyways, its free for me when i go there :) [23:13] Well, except the few making sand castles. :P [23:13] edman007, yeah but you might wanna consider to go to a place where there's no couples or Old_Fogie's :) [23:14] lol [23:14] well, unless you're into that kind of thing :) [23:14] haha [23:16] ft. meyer's is really nice tho [23:16] has a really nice but tiny air port [23:16] you're in / out with no big futsing around [23:16] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:16] I know someone that went to Florida earlier this year. It's fun to track the flight on Google Earth. :) [23:16] edman007: i lived in sarasota 25 years of my life : ) [23:16] Old_Fogie, yea, flying out of the white plains airport too, that one is nice and tiny [23:16] edman007, also don't go walking around late at night outside the perimeter of Ft. meyer's , really no joke it's bad. [23:16] tecky, maybe i can see you, i got lots and lots of time [23:16] edman007: .... i live in NY? [23:16] oh :( [23:16] edman007: key word was "lived" [23:16] Action: edman007 is near NY right now [23:17] nyc? [23:17] i'm 'UPSTATE' upstate ... 1 hour(ish) north of albany [23:17] oh, we talked about this, too damn far upstate [23:17] aye [23:17] tecky, then I'm upstate upstate upstate NY then :) [23:17] move near people [23:18] Old_Fogie: The FAIL continues, pcmanfm won't start. :( [23:18] Old_Fogie: you fail sir! [23:18] firebird619, I'm starting to wonder about your box [23:18] four builds tonight, something is awry [23:18] There's a disturbance in the source. :P [23:18] xD [23:20] Action: edman007 hits firebird619 with rot26 [23:20] At least thunar works. FOR NOW. :P [23:20] tecky, me nah, far away from albany and the politician's and far away from NY and it's madness is fine by me. [23:20] Old_Fogie: ha! [23:20] ah, slackware-current on my new eeepc 1000he is a Good Thing [23:20] Hi chess [23:21] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [23:21] chess: debian, ubuntu run fine on mine :) [23:21] hello firebird619 :-) [23:21] tecky: WHAT, Ubuntu, are you insane? :P [23:21] tecky: I'm sure they do. I have some Debian installs and they work nicely. [23:21] Cara_Magro (n=gustavo@201.2.1.38) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:22] I'd run windwos on a netbook b4 I'd ever let ubunut touch it, just my 0.02 [23:22] s/ever/never/ :) [23:22] yeah a netbook is no place for betaware imo. [23:22] im with Old_Fogie on that one :P [23:22] s/betaware/malware/ :P (jk) [23:23] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] I can see debian, as the long term support, but ubunut... [23:23] this machine came with xp, which I wiped before even booting it up. I love doing that. :-) [23:23] chess, :) [23:23] lol, good idea, don't even give xp a chance. :P [23:23] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:24] I have one windows box, one linux box, and one broken box. :) [23:25] sounds to me like you have one linux box and two broken boxes :-) [23:25] chess, on my acer's they too had xp on it. and it's a can of fail. they gave the trialware for mcafee which once you boot in, even if you restore from their image, just crashes the pc now that's it's after the 'predetermined' date. [23:25] haha [23:25] You need to use safe mode to remove the McAfee virus. [23:25] chess, which of course means add/remove...which leaves you a crippled registry [23:25] Old_Fogie: yeah, I've been there. awful stuff. [23:25] yeah it's a sin [23:25] I've kept xp on the netbooks, but noone (of the 10 netbooks we got) uses the XP at all tho. [23:25] Norton is horrible to remove too. [23:27] plus it slows the system to a crawl. [23:28] Bad enough they have a special tool to run after normal uninstall [23:28] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [23:28] firebird619, oh yea tell me about it , I stopped using it a few years back for that reason [23:28] http://service1.symantec.com/Support/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039 [23:28] Norton Removal Tool ;) [23:28] actually it crippled our office , the norton [23:28] have fun [23:28] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.152.165.163) joined ##slackware. [23:28] yeah, it's horrible. I always just used the free stuff, avg, zonealarm, etc. [23:28] our whole office had unuseable pc's for days [23:28] AVG's enterprise products are quite nice [23:28] AVG Network Edition etc [23:28] You are supposed to use Symantec for corporate. [23:28] AVG I found is very nice, their free product as well [23:28] Motoko-chan: Symantec's crap is even worse. [23:28] avg sucks imo [23:28] norton had bad verify sig's for updates [23:28] Although I kinda liked F-Secure when I ran Windows. [23:28] especially that new product they have out.. symantec endpoint protection.. piece of junk [23:28] ruined the norton [23:28] on us [23:28] avg was good but not to much. [23:28] but symantec products do blow ass [23:28] Their newest apps were decent. [23:28] Action: Motoko-chan didn't like their older products [23:28] My ISP for windows boxes gives a free download of, err what's the name, starts with a C. [23:28] CA [23:28] CA [23:28] avast seems to be a good av for windows [23:30] POS [23:30] CA? [23:30] firebird619, mine does too, but you download it from some random http only (not https) site, and they want the email account and password, to be put into some form on a webpage, and that's not https either. [23:30] darn, was the preview for ufc98,its not till the 23rd iircmah well. [23:30] Dominian: what's CA stand for, something Associates right? [23:30] CA doesn't make an end-user AV anymore. [23:30] Computer Associates. [23:30] Computer ASsociates or something [23:30] Action: Motoko-chan remembers InnoculateIT [23:30] yep [23:31] norton itself is a virus lolz. actually its already been proven that they load virus's with it so that it looks like it's finding virus' that it's competitors arent picking up [23:31] Motoko-chan: oh yea, :P I couldn't remember the name. [23:31] underguiz (n=undergui@unaffiliated/underguiz) left ##slackware. [23:31] antivir was good [23:31] SM177Y: I've seen no such proof. [23:31] SM177Y, links gtfo [23:31] links or [23:31] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:31] Old_Fogie: yeah, plus I use linux. :) [23:31] firebird619, yea I was just reading the offer that our ISP 'mailed' to us by snail mail, went to the site, and said 'heck no" am I filling out some form that's not https. I called them and they're just no-knothing support people so I gave up. [23:31] Action: Motoko-chan is now Linux on all personal computers [23:31] but it was for computer associates too. [23:31] I do have an XP virtual machine for office and DC firewall. [23:31] I got XP, but no antivirus, no antispyware on it nothing. Just win firewall that's it. [23:31] restore from image, do updates that's it. [23:32] Snapshot ftw [23:32] Use no machine nx to a slack box, life is simpler [23:32] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:33] the slack box has clam av, that's more than suffice for my needs [23:33] im tryin to find the articles i read them a couple years ago and ive actually experienced it myself [23:33] for scanning the mail attachments in the event I need to copy em' over to windows, [23:34] Action: BP{k} liked the firewall that was at the core of Norton Firewall. [23:35] that is before Norton did the dirty with it, and turned it into a fat ugly hog. [23:35] Ewwwwwwww [23:35] Motoko-chan: ? [23:35] I did try the avast antivirus. It never found any viruses which is good :) but ran fast, seemed pretty good. I was experimenting with it, to put on the netbooks..but then decided, ah screw it, no ones useing windows on the netbooks anyhow. [23:35] The previous comment. Didn't need that image. [23:38] lol yeah Old_Fogie thats the best way of doing it :) [23:38] Avast had a problem on my old notebook. [23:38] Motoko-chan: it's on the house. ;) [23:38] It would randomly peg the CPU at 100% until you killed the process. [23:38] And very random. Maybe once a month. [23:38] I wrote my own antivirus - it doesn't actually look for any viruses, but it reports that it didn't find any, which is both true and makes me feel better, which is pretty much all the other ones do anyway [23:38] Motoko-chan, I ran it for a few weeks so I never saw that, but that certainly doesnt sound good [23:38] I can't seem to ping localhost...could this be because I'm tethered to my phone plan and my DNS servers are messed up? [23:38] I have the loopback IP in my /etc/hosts [23:38] rk4n3, lol [23:38] :) [23:38] I call it "Pacifier" [23:38] Old_Fogie, it was the network scan. Memory resident seemed okay. [23:38] rk4n3, like Vin Diesel? [23:38] heh :) [23:38] rk4n3, yea really, and when they do find one, you say to yourself "I could've told ya that, I can feel it happening", cuz the box is toasted. [23:38] Does it do the Peter Panda dance? [23:38] Old_Fogie: haha - yep :) [23:38] Motoko-chan: no, but it would be easy to add, since it doesn't do anything at all the way it is :) [23:38] rk4n3, yea that's why I said the heck with running a/v on windows. it doesnt catch them before they do their madness, sowhats' the point. [23:38] eh.. [23:38] ignorant question: Is MySQL multithreaded? [23:38] I think that was the dance name. [23:38] yes it is [23:40] that's what I thought [23:40] Dominian, it is on a kernel that supports it. [23:40] Dominian, yes [23:40] right [23:40] If not, it uses forking. [23:40] just needed confirmation [23:40] [ in bed ] [23:40] shaddup [23:40] hee hee hee [23:40] Action: Motoko-chan giggles [23:42] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. 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