[00:00] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:01] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@124.43.48.255) left irc: Connection timed out [00:01] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [00:03] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:04] CrYpTo1 (n=CrYpTo@68.224.51.178) left ##slackware. [00:07] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:08] deco: what a pussy... he uses utensils. :P [00:11] agentc0re: heh :P [00:11] agentc0re: that meat needs more cooking ... [00:14] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:17] y0 agentc0re [00:21] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [00:22] thrice`: alright, Fedora 12 Beta is installed. The artwork looks great, even better than I had seen before. It really ties together nicely. [00:23] fire|bird: gonna convert ? [00:23] :o [00:23] OHGODNO [00:24] I am just trying it out, on a spare drive. [00:24] ........ [00:24] Heck, I install Ubuntu in a VM whenever it comes out, and then promptly apply shred(1) to it. [00:25] ..... [00:25] Action: fire|bird tosses deco's >/. key across the room. [00:25] you like to use up bogomips? [00:25] fire|bird: i have another keyboard ;-) [00:25] shred? worried the fbi will find out you had ubuntu at one time? [00:25] deco: not anymore. :) [00:25] ...... [00:25] ;-) [00:26] mancha, on journaling FS:es shred doesn't even erase all traces anymore [00:26] Action: fire|bird takes a sledge hammer to ALL of deco's keyboards. [00:26] and what if one of those is a model m? [00:26] sucks to be your sledgehammer [00:26] Action: deco installs fedora over fire|bird's slackware partition [00:26] Now that's just evil. [00:27] veritos that is inaccurate, it depends what gets journaled [00:28] Wow, Nodoka theme isn't even installed. [00:29] ....... [00:29] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:29] and there's 94 updates. :P [00:29] oh god lol [00:30] good ol Fedora never disappoints. :P [00:30] sure doesn't [00:30] Why yes, you can haz updates, and lots of em. [00:31] As a matter of fact, let's update to Amarok 2 from 1.4 mid-release! [00:31] yup, that's the Fedora way. :) [00:31] fire|bird: and are they using gnome 3 already ? lol [00:32] deco: haha, no. Ubuntu will have it available for install. I've tried it. :D [00:32] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:32] dependency hell is awesome too. ubuntu once had openssh depend on gtk, and opensuse's x wants firefox [00:32] fire|bird: how was it ? [00:32] veritos: Try Debian and removing swfdec, it wants gnome gone. :P [00:32] deco: crap [00:32] is that good or bad ? [00:32] haha [00:33] fire|bird: xfce all the way :P [00:33] Well, good if you don't like gnome, but of gnome is the only de/wm installed, you'll have to apt-get install xfce or something if you don't catch it removing gnome. :P [00:33] that swfdec gnome thing nailed me [00:33] s/of/if/ [00:33] i'm now that i got the mouse splash screen thingy ^_^ it's so cute [00:33] now happy* [00:33] antiwire: Yeah, and it doesn't want the metapackage, it wants the real thing. [00:34] That bit me once too [00:34] There, got power manager updated. [00:35] if it were fedora vs ubuntu [00:35] i think i would use ubuntu [00:36] lol [00:36] ${gender}s, take sympathy on me, I have to do RHEL 4 at work. [00:36] slackware 4 vs fedora? [00:36] hahaha [00:36] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [00:36] hey nooper [00:36] hi fire|bird [00:36] veritos: at least you have a job with something linux ... [00:36] deco, you have a point there. also one of the better paid student jobs at my uni [00:37] hcfd (n=fed@host86-131-171-3.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:37] veritos: awesome! [00:37] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [00:37] exit [00:37] ls [00:37] fail [00:37] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [00:37] sorry :) [00:37] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [00:37] ..... [00:37] good morning [00:37] the place i work for now has a Slackware email server and one of our vendors uses a custom linux distribution for embedded VoIP phone systems [00:38] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) left irc: Client Quit [00:39] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-68-152.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:40] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-68-152.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[00:51] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@aa20060611363b8b1fd4.userreverse.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [00:52] I'm tempted to give her my CSE student license to spare her soul. [00:53] a "friend" ? [00:53] sounds a friend ladder situation. keep your license. [00:53] ~~~~~~~~~111~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [00:54] Haha [00:55] mesi (i=1000@201.165.128.34) joined ##slackware. [00:55] acidtripper (n=root@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [00:55] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:55] acidtripper kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: unixfool: Using an IRC client as root is very dangerous. Please create a user account and return to the channel under it. [00:56] heh, "don't irc as root" brings back memories [00:56] We should have the bot attempt to script-kiddie anyone who tries. [00:56] That'll learn 'em [00:57] that would be illegal [00:57] [00:58] which is funny since people irc'ing with mirc (which runs with free ring 0 access) don't get any shit [00:58] REinicie XD [00:58] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:02] good night all [01:02] night [01:02] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:02] dont irc as root eh [01:02] agh, sorry, cat stepping on keyboard [01:02] ..... [01:02] <- totally ircing as root :P [01:02] ..... [01:03] export IRCUSER=root [01:03] do that as your normal user. Most clients, you'll appear to be IRCing as root even though you're not [01:03] And for those people surnamed root? [01:03] lol [01:03] meh whats gonna happen? [01:03] also, 'export IRCUSER=bob' as root, will stop you getting banned [01:03] depends on what identd says [01:04] I can set my irc username to whatever I want in my client [01:04] yes [01:04] yeah identd is a totally reliable way to tell what account someones running, or what uid they actually are.. haha [01:04] and identd has been useless since the internet grew big enough that not every sysadmin knew every other sysadmin personally [01:04] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [01:04] oh right, yes thats what i meant, identd can't be spoofed [01:04] haha [01:05] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:05] macha was it you that asked for a writeup on the kernel freezing problem? [01:05] reallove (i=reallove@unaffiliated/reallove) joined ##slackware. [01:06] no, but it was me who suggested you might want to write it up if that's your thing [01:06] whois me [01:06] that's right, my real name is rootbitch [01:06] haha, 0005 | ircname : rootbitch [01:06] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Client Quit [01:07] my real name is "-" but most know me as "the artist formerly known as mancha" [01:07] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:08] bah, with this Fedora install, stupid packagekit doesn't even show a progress window anymore, just a "downloading packages" message. [01:09] bah, who needs progress windows? [01:09] progress bars are great, especially the ones MSFT puts together that slowly go from 0% to 12% then shoot to 100% in a nanosecond [01:09] Someone who's installing a bunch of stuff and wants to know where it's at about. ;) [01:10] does anybody know if both '-O2' and '-O3' are used during compile, which one is actually used? [01:10] mancha: or the other kind, that goes from 0% to 99% almost instantly, then sit there at 99% for an hour [01:10] hah neon, what kinda gcc monkey are you? [01:10] neon: whichever one was specified later [01:10] neonflux: whichever one comes last on the command line [01:10] right, what fwc said [01:10] :P [01:10] Urchlay: ok, good to know [01:11] Urch, yeah those are worse i guess...you get your hopes up and then boom [01:11] http://alphabinarix.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5 [01:12] i never wrote anything for someone whos not technically inclined to really understand, does that do the job well enough? [01:13] this hotel network is pissing me off [01:13] Ah, there's the progress window, I had to click the *power* button in the panel to get it. [01:13] some jerk off must be using bittorrent [01:13] its me, hi [01:13] Action: fire|bird cuts off fwc's connection. [01:14] haha [01:14] fwc: my only criticism is a stylistic one... Slamd64, or SLAMD64 maybe, but SlAMD64 is hard to recognize cause the l looks like an I [01:14] hahah ok, thats how they write it though! :P [01:14] or maybe not [01:14] hm, really? well, they're wrong (even if they're right, it's still wrong dammit!) [01:15] haha [01:15] out of curiosity is there going to be a slamd64 13? (maybe for multilib out of the box) [01:15] gon (n=gon@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [01:16] gon (n=gon@190.19.235.226) left irc: Client Quit [01:16] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:16] that's a good thing, contributing to the knowledge-base, i am sure there'll be more than one amd user who is thankful [01:17] acidtripper (n=gon@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [01:17] guys someone could help me with some xfce issues? [01:17] google turned up nothing when i searched :\ of course, it comes up with nothing for the keyboard error i have with one of my keyboards.. [01:17] acidtripper, what's up? [01:18] typing 'should' fast gets me as far as 'sho' then repeats like 20 o's and ends with 'powerpnt' and a CR/LF [01:18] hey veritos [01:18] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [01:18] has anyone ever heard of a keyboard doing THAT? :P [01:18] "powerpnt"? [01:18] im having some problems with power manager, which is a goodie [01:18] yeah, powerpnt. [01:18] is it ok if i make my own slackware shirts ? [01:18] i assume "POWER OWNED!!" haha [01:18] that is truly bizarre, and if I had a cigar, you'd win it as a prize for "weirdest error" [01:18] veritos: now that slack has 64-bit, fred is helping slack rather than slamd64 - so no slamd64 will not upgrade to compete with slackware64 [01:18] does the kb have firmware? [01:18] it was hilarious the first time, kinda funny the second time.. following 100 times, not so amusing [01:19] im sure it does, its usb so it must have a uC with a USB host [01:19] er USB client connection, whatever :D [01:19] is it specific to the keyboard? other keyboards work fine on that machine, and the evil keyboard does the same thing on another machine? [01:19] wonder how many of your credit card numbers it's sent to an ip in china [01:19] only this evil keyboard [01:20] does it with Slack + Win7 [01:20] ok....thanks :) [01:20] veritos: and there's notes on alienBOB's wiki for multilib [01:20] mancha: haha sucks for them, i dont have credit cards! :P [01:20] yep, sucks for them your kb is rotted [01:20] rooted even [01:21] wonder how the hell it got that way [01:21] i bet he irc'd as root [01:21] someone bought t-shirts to pat? [01:21] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:21] hahah [01:22] im planning to bought t-shirts,stickers, and the plush penguin :D [01:22] buy* [01:23] wtf isnt a minus supposed to exclude search terms in google? [01:23] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:23] fwc, google's become stupid about doing what you say lately [01:23] i'm likely going to get the book when v3 comes out [01:23] :\ [01:24] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:24] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:24] yes, i can download the second version of the book, but.. [01:25] i've downloaded it but.. iw better to read from paper than from pc [01:25] but that depends on your tastes [01:25] agreed [01:25] whatever bro [01:25] tree killer [01:25] i meant that i was going to buy the book once #3 comes out [01:26] heaumer (n=heaumer@91.121.15.173) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [01:26] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [01:26] when will come out? [01:26] i wanna know if someone bought t-shirts bocouse of size.. some L are big some others small depends on confection [01:27] confection? [01:27] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:27] candy? [01:27] clothing* [01:27] heaumer (n=heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) joined ##slackware. [01:27] acidtripper, you're french speaking? [01:28] :P lol [01:28] spanish [01:28] come in some minutes reboot [01:28] acidtripper (n=gon@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [01:28] when did linux become a reboot-fest? [01:28] when noobs started using it [01:28] it didn't [01:28] :o [01:28] last time i rebooted was in the summer of '69 [01:28] when ppl think they are on windows [01:29] I blame it on noobuntu [01:29] mancha, before 1970? doesn't compute [01:29] i wasn't alive before 1973 [01:29] giuppy (n=giuppy@87.16.173.32) left irc: ""router changing"" [01:30] i introduced hyperbole as a literary device to inject humor into the comment [01:31] there we go again, we need new php packages [01:31] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [01:32] headed off to bed. bye all [01:32] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:32] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:33] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:33] janemba (n=back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:34] what the heck, on my laptop, earlier today, only the left speaker was working, now, tonight, only the right one is working. :P [01:34] maybe it's the same speaker, and you have musixlexia? [01:35] hahaha [01:35] or he got on the other side of the laptop [01:35] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:36] While the one works, the other makes a low (faint) clicking type noise. [01:37] your laptop flipped it's l/r bit? [01:38] Well, it's flipped something. :P [01:39] got a regular pair of headphones to try it with? [01:39] Beings left worked earlier and right worked now, that'd sort of rule out a speaker going bad, wouldn't it? [01:39] Urchlay: sure do [01:39] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@93.107.192.56) joined ##slackware. [01:40] captswall (n=kissinge@c-67-167-184-242.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:41] wonders if Slackware has better features than the upcoming Window 7.0. [01:41] fire|bird: currently messing with strictly analog electronics, at least there's a chance for you to fix it without having to take it apart... [01:42] captswall: eh, the best feature: it isn't Windows. Now go troll somewhere else, eh? [01:42] well i have been having driver issues with my ATI Radeon 5870 PCI-E 2.0 card, doesn't fully support it. [01:42] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:43] windows 7 has at least one feature slack doesn't: winnuke [01:43] like the humor =p [01:43] winnuke? [01:43] i've heard of vmware in linux what is Winnuke? [01:44] ..... [01:44] http://www.zdnetasia.com/insight/hardware/0,39043471,39086930,00.htm [01:44] A nuclear bomb that runs Windows? [01:44] Better hope it doesn't bluescreen early! [01:44] winnuke, a la teardrop? [01:44] ahaha yes 139/OOB messaging [01:45] that is horrible. [01:45] msft brought it back due to popular demand in win7 [01:46] any known driver builds to support my ATI 5870 in Slackware? [01:47] flgrx! [01:47] The catalysis driver doesn't work right in it =[ [01:47] oh.. then.. owned [01:47] the videocard is only 3 weeks old [01:47] U2 (n=chatzill@119.153.73.236) joined ##slackware. [01:47] got it the day it came out for $300 [01:48] lazy xorg bums, they had a full 21 days to crank out support [01:48] so you got a brand new piece of hardware and just hoped that it worked on linux right away? :P [01:48] yepperz [01:48] what did you think the chances of that actually happening were? haha [01:48] ATI has very laggy Linux support. [01:49] Community also has slow uptake (it's hard to reverse a video card!). [01:49] it fully supports my quadcore intel Q9550 and all the onboardchipsets of Asus P5Q3 Deluxe with Wi-fi [01:49] yeah, its really hard to support a processor1 [01:49] and chipsets that arent brand new pieces of silicon :) [01:50] and have it running on my ocz 64 ssd Turbo hdd. [01:50] 64gb. [01:50] Well, x86-64 has been standard for some years, and adding new cores isn't anything fancy. [01:50] haha yeah [01:50] precisely [01:50] Chipset is also a bit out. [01:50] slackware 3.4 would run on my phenom ii 940 :) [01:50] SSD doesn't matter, it probably has a standardized interface like SATA [01:50] fwc, I got RH 5 to boot on a P3. [01:51] Couldn't run X. Video card wasn't old enough. [01:51] lol [01:51] couldnt use the SVGA driver? [01:51] EVERYTHING has Vesa support! :P [01:51] not so [01:51] ok, almost everything that will work in a "PC" has Vesa support [01:51] It didn't work well. [01:51] some of the newer cards don't support VESA in the card's BIOS [01:51] yes it does that, but not all the videocard features. [01:52] Anyway... [01:52] I have it running on an ati9700 driver. [01:52] well.. i didnt say it would work *well* haha [01:52] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.74.105) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:52] I recall it not working at all. [01:52] and yeah, even if VESA works, it's a stripped-down dumb framebuffer API, you might as well be using a Trident card from 1994 [01:52] dont knock the trident cards, i have 9660s and 9680S :P [01:52] The RH installer didn't recognize the card, so it didn't install any xf86 servers [01:53] Had to manually install the right one. [01:53] Which crashed [01:53] they were better than my VLB/ISA cards that preceded them haha [01:53] at least i can run it at 1920x1200 resoltuion but no blueray playback support; hence the driver. [01:53] capts: do you need GPU bluray decode with a Q9550? [01:53] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:54] fwc: oh yeah, even the worst PCI video card was a major improvement back then [01:54] bluray doesn't work on software mode, only by hardware. [01:55] capts: errm? [01:55] I remember playing 7th Guest in Dos on a VESA local bus 2mb video card. [01:55] has a 2mb VLB cirrus logic card for wing commander III [01:55] haha [01:55] hoobop (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:55] ViN86 (i=ViN86@SYDNEYPACIFIC-FIFTEEN.MIT.EDU) left irc: "Leaving" [01:56] I remember them and Tseng Labs! [01:56] haha yeah [01:56] Video Doctor? [01:56] I think that was the app [01:56] for bluray to play it must have HDCP support which 9700 has, but not support via through hardware of blueray, making the 5870 useless on that aspect. [01:56] hm. So this thing, the tone knob's effective range is from 0 to 1, and everything from 1 to 10 sounds the same as 1... ugh. [01:56] I love Wing Command 3 The Tiger Claw. [01:57] yeah, WC III/IV were killer [01:57] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [01:57] eh, sorry, wrong window [01:57] Good Ole Mark Hammel in WC 3 and 4. [01:57] I have Wing Commander on dvd. [01:57] Urchlay: tone knob on what? [01:57] the movie too =p [01:57] fwc: bass guitar [01:57] i have WC 3/4 on CDs, Prophecy too i think somewhere [01:57] Urchlay: yeah common problem with passive electrics [01:57] Urchlay: kinda hard to get much tonal change with a cap + pot [01:58] I have 3 on cds, 1 double sided single density dvd for wc4. [01:58] prophecy was bad ass for the graphics.. i got a Canopus Pure3D 12MB Voodoo I just to play it [01:58] was so cool having svideo/rca video outs haha [01:58] U2 (n=chatzill@119.153.73.236) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009033100]" [01:58] my computer is hooked into an audio/video reciever then attached to my 42" Samsung LCD/TV. [01:58] fwc: yah, but I've got better tone control on other passive instruments... the cap isn't electrolytic, I dunno what it takes for a ceramic cap to fail (it'll be 19 years old by now) [01:59] vIA HDMI [01:59] Urchlay: they tend to not fail, especially not in such a low voltage/high impedance/low temperature environment [01:59] I know it [01:59] Urchlay: how many K is the pot vs the other instruments? that makes a huge difference [01:59] which means I must conclude that it's broken by design :( [01:59] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:59] askhader (n=sayed@rn--ctm-1-1-a05.uwaterloo.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:59] I had a 3dfx Voodoo 5500 [01:59] I haven't metered the pot (or even taken it out of circuit) [01:59] fire|bird: 0.8.4 works [01:59] good night [01:59] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:59] there's a switch (possibly old news) - Eeebuntu is switching from ubuntu to debian [02:00] iirc 500k pots are muddier than 250k, or maybe it was the other way around.. id look at that though [02:00] problem seems to be gone now [02:00] mirash (n=mirash@117.196.134.62) joined ##slackware. [02:00] theyre usually labelled on the back though [02:00] depends on if it's a linear or audio pot [02:00] I was mad when glide went bye bye to opengl. [02:00] capts: ah yeah i have a 5500 laying around [02:00] AGP 1x chyea [02:00] i dont even have any motherboards with a 1X slot any more :\ [02:00] fwc: I'll have to find a mirror on a stick to be able to see the back of it without completely disassembling it (which eventually I'll have to do, but not tonight I guess) [02:01] alison: usually tone pots are linear and not log iirc [02:01] i cant mount externel hard drive. [02:01] I have old ISA card anyone need a Gravis Ultrasound? [02:01] fwc: in fact, it's identical to this: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/67909965/m/425008452931/p/23 [02:01] capts.. want a turtle beach TB2000? that thing had a badass midi synth for its day hahah [02:02] error: no buffer space available [02:02] fwc: hmmm - the pots we carried that had 'audio' tagged in them weren't linear [02:02] what about Roland forgot the type it was, always saw it as the premier option for old games. [02:02] alison: yeah i think tone pots are linear, the volume pots are definitely log [02:02] oh - tone, not audio. sorry [02:02] but i could be wrong [02:02] I bought myself some nice presents [02:02] fender jp-90 bass, which is the bastard of the fender line apparently [02:02] Roland SoundCanvas? [02:02] back in the day of Kings Quest 1-5. [02:02] a lineman handset and a 66/110 impact punch down tool [02:03] how rad of self gifts are those? [02:03] knowing how cheaply this thing was manufactured, it wouldn't surprise me if they used whatever pots they had lying around [02:03] antiwire: which brand? [02:03] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Sound_Canvas [02:03] Urchlay: haha, especially if it was made in Mexico.. or any place thats not the US, the US Fenders always had better electrics in them [02:03] harris and fluke, respectively [02:03] My favorite legacy ISA soundcard was the Soundblaster AWE32. [02:03] mirash (n=mirash@117.196.134.62) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:03] I have an original SoundBlaster 2.0 [02:03] 8 bit sound. [02:03] cool - the harris handset's are the standard issue ones for ma bell's [02:04] not cheap [02:04] What was the Sounblaster Pro. [02:04] Pro was 16bit iirc [02:04] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Blaster#Sound_Blaster_Pro [02:04] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KL_Creative_Labs_Soundblaster_2.0_CT1350B.jpg <-- That's mine [02:04] fwc: no, this one's made in the USA (that's why I bought it: a Fender with "Made in USA" on the headstock for under $200?! Hell yes!) [02:05] I also have the original BOX for it. [02:05] Anyone into stereo speakers? [02:05] capts: i make them :D [02:05] Action: Motoko-chan has a nice set of Yamaha NS-4 from the mid-80s [02:05] depends on your definition of "into" :) [02:05] My surround sound spakers are B&W. [02:06] I got a system in a box recently [02:06] Also Yamaha. [02:06] last project used 4x4" drivers, 2 5/8" tweeters and a 6.5" low/mid, with a baffle between it and the other speakers, ported and side firing, its kinda cool [02:06] Subwoofer used from my car JL Audio 10W7 with at 500W Bash Audio Amp. [02:06] Unlike most, it had full component parts. [02:06] No "special" connectors. [02:07] 48" tall and only 5" wide [02:07] mf1 (n=notatrol@pool-173-70-80-28.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:07] 2 5/8" tweeters, what type of tweeter? [02:07] is that a ribbon, dome, cone? [02:07] horn? [02:08] cheap tweeters, Onkyo, and theyre dome mylar [02:08] http://www.alphabinarix.org/~frankd/DSC00703.JPG [02:08] one of these years I need to look into some lighter-weight speakers for my bass rig [02:08] I thought about replacing my B&W tweeters with Titanium 1" dome super tweeters vs thier aluminium tweeters. [02:09] what I use now sounds amazing, but weighs as much as a refrigerator (or that's how it feels) [02:09] each bookshelf speaker is powered by Kevlar 5" drivers. [02:09] kevlar... funky. [02:09] ever seen those hartke speakers with aluminum cones? [02:10] yeah, ive never actually heard them [02:10] aluminum.. resonance? :P [02:10] they look kewl, but are they all that good, not sure why they decided to not use a crossover in the center channel, it's all passive high and low filter pass on the back. [02:10] ahh, mine are triamped [02:11] mesi (i=1000@201.165.128.34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:11] aluminum cones... i've seen titanium cone diamond finish, which idk what that means. [02:12] triamped... like a with a 3-way crossover? [02:12] I dunno if the ones I'm talking about are really made of aluminum, they look like it though. 4x10 bass cabinet, lots of airspace inside, heavy wood construction [02:12] 3 way active 24dB/octave linkwitz-riley crossover and 3 power amplifiers per speaker [02:14] how much amplification per speaker? [02:15] I am trying to visualize this setup. [02:16] So 3 amps bridged into a crossover? [02:16] amplifiers are each rated at 68W, but the lows are bridged [02:16] heh, one input goes into the crossover [02:16] 3 outputs come out [02:16] each of the outputs is hooked up to a power amplifier [02:17] notatroll (n=notatrol@pool-173-70-27-179.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:17] Never seen anyone do that before in a home setup, read about that in theatre setups, so is the setup for stereo sound or surround? [02:17] so the amp can provide roughly 250w RMS into the lows, but thats more than enough to blow up that 6.5".. they dont operate at anywhere near that power, and they dont need to for good volume [02:18] stereo for now, but i could take the outputs from a digital amp and hook them up into the crossovers [02:19] my speakers produce very good sound at low voltages pleasantly suprised. [02:19] as long as youre happy with them, thats all that matters [02:19] A friend mostly got me into buying the B&W 602 Series componet speakers. [02:19] arronstoned (n=RahmboDe@70.44.195.123) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:20] 4 bookshelfs and 1 center channel was like $1300 [02:21] some people like em, some people hate em.. i dunno, i never really listened to them [02:21] Deffinatly a lot bettter Bose system my father had. [02:21] antiwire: awesome, thanks for letting me know. :) [02:21] well, Bose is generally considered as junk, and i dont disagree with the sentiment [02:21] haha [02:22] I heard this B.O.S.E = Buy Other Stereo Equipment. [02:22] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:22] haha, i like that [02:22] Nice [02:23] Bose gets by on technobable and slick marketing. [02:23] Urchlay: ok, even with headphones, sound only comes from the right side. [02:23] mmhmm, then they make tiny speakers with "bass" [02:23] I was tossing between Boston VS series and the B&W speakers for about a week. [02:23] ie boomy junk that only gets any response at one frequency [02:23] Kinda like those "oxygen-free gold-infused twice-blessed-by-the-Pope" speaker cables. [02:24] The boston speakers i would have had to spend about $900 more. [02:24] well those 4' speakers, i did as a proof of concept.. [02:24] total cost for the cabinets + speakers was.. like under $100 [02:25] What sounds as like a big scam, blessed cables. [02:25] what science is there in that... [02:25] Hint: Monster Cable is a scam [02:25] i expected them to be good, theyre pretty well thought out.. but, theyre actually amazing [02:25] I am liking monoprice.com [02:25] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:25] haha yeah [02:25] i use cat5 for speaker cable [02:25] eat that monster [02:25] They have awesome deals on cables. [02:26] I use standard grade 12 Gauge Copper speaker wire. [02:26] I bought a 16 ft spool of oxygen-free 14ga cable for under $20 [02:26] Correction [02:26] Action: Motoko-chan is tired [02:26] 100ft spool of 16ga [02:26] i get spools of cat5 for free haha [02:26] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [02:26] fwc, send me a few of the plenum-rated kind. [02:26] got a 500 foot spool of 12 gauge speaker wire for $75. [02:26] I need to wire my house. [02:26] hahah [02:27] give me better intertubes [02:27] mine are slow [02:27] .. not 10 miles away, my friend has 101mb/s cable [02:27] i get.. 10mb/s. [02:27] wait so you use those tiny wires on cat 5 and strip the cables to use as speaker wire? [02:27] http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10239&cs_id=1023901&p_id=2790&seq=1&format=2 [02:27] capts: yeah you dont need big wire for speakers :P [02:27] 300ft 12ga @ $64 [02:27] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [02:28] The further away you go, the larger you want. [02:28] Action: The-Croupier waves at the channel [02:28] ienh (n=ienh@ARennes-257-1-117-190.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:28] 18ga is kinda bare-minimum in my opinion. [02:28] you have to go pretty far to need 12 gauge :P [02:28] I usually use 16ga [02:28] Better than the 24ga that came with my "home theater in a box" [02:29] one of my friends asked me why not use fiber optic cabling to reduce emi between your amp and speaker... wonders how light passes electricity. [02:29] 24 gauge is good for 3.5amps in chassis wiring [02:29] http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10239&cs_id=1023903&p_id=2793&seq=1&format=2 [02:29] That's what I got. [02:29] 100ft 16ga for $12.87 [02:29] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: "leaving" [02:29] does it matter the gauge of the wire over long distances? [02:30] Yes [02:30] Resistance and stuff [02:30] "(**)If you run cable lengths over fifty feet, we recommend you to use 14 gauge or 12 gauge.(12 gauge is recommended)" [02:30] an 8 ohm speaker drawing 8watts is a total of 1amp, and 8 watts is pretty average is pretty generous [02:30] like in a home inwall/celing setup for the whole house? [02:30] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:31] If you are going between rooms, then you might want to re-think the setup [02:31] with some of the legths exceeding 100ft from source to 150W rms speaker? [02:31] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [02:31] 32w = 2amps, i rarely ever put 32 watts to my speakers.. it might peak somewhere around there, but thats not nearly continuous power [02:31] could you get away with 32 guage wire? [02:31] 32 gauge may be uhh pushing it hahaha [02:31] I wouldn't try it. [02:32] Make sure if you are putting it in the walls, it's rated for that. [02:32] They use different jacket materials for in-wall [02:32] Axius (n=fd@92.82.90.22) joined ##slackware. [02:32] what if it's not plenium or pvc rated wire? [02:32] Well, the burning jacket will give off toxic smoke. [02:33] The rating is really for fire. [02:33] like the smell you get from a burning out PUS> [02:33] PSU [02:33] And you really don't want toxic smoke in your home when you are trying to get out. [02:33] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:33] Common PVC actually gives off the smoke. [02:33] It should be plenum rated if you go in-wall. You'll notice it's stiffer. [02:34] plenum rating is for use _inside_ air flow ducts [02:34] common PVC gives off toxic fumes more than smoke [02:34] should home installation of in wall wire should be grounded before the speaker? [02:34] but yeah, plenum rating is for toxicity requirements [02:34] toxic fumes/ toxic smoke [02:34] Bad either way [02:34] such as attaching the groundwires to the gas line? [02:34] audio wire is low-voltage, grounding not required [02:35] ground wires are used to redirect power shorts where 110V+ ac is located [02:36] why is it when i installed a sattalite outside i had to run a ground wire to a ground? [02:36] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:36] Is that to protect the signal loss. [02:37] because the satelite box also provides power from the box to the antenna through the coax as well as lightning protection [02:37] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [02:37] Lightning strikes [02:38] I should goto my friends house and replace the ground elsewhere it's attached to thier gasline meter. [02:38] jk [02:38] not a good spot :) [02:38] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [02:39] either a 1/2-3/4" spike that's in the ground 3ft or more, or attach to a cold water pipe [02:40] now is there a way to store that ammount of energy, such as diverting that energy into home fuse box? [02:41] why deplete it if your household could use it? [02:41] home fuse box is for the other direction - but if you want to store lighting, check out the history of Ben Franklin [02:41] with the kite and the key. [02:41] but the main problem is lightning is extremely high voltage, so downconverting to storage gets a little tricky [02:42] he also used capacitive bottles [02:42] for storage [02:42] that's how we got started with batteries [02:42] use big transformers to convert the voltage down into usable storage compacitors. [02:43] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:43] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [02:43] transformers that size also reduce the amount of energy transferred, so you get much less than you think. remember - lightning is high-voltage, but low-current [02:44] i thought the current would be high, hense it's the speed of light as it appears. [02:44] not to mention - lightning is a rather untrusty means to power a house :) [02:44] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:44] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:44] ohms law - voltage and current are inverse of each other [02:44] well its a way to use as alternative energy "GO GREEN POWER" [02:45] and transfer _time_ (speed of light) is not the issue [02:45] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:46] looks at moving water, the faster it moves the more current, is that the same pricipal. [02:46] nope [02:46] lighting moves in a blink of an eye. [02:46] never see water move that fast. [02:46] hydrodynamics is not the same [02:47] nixnix (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:47] hi nixnix [02:47] in electricity, the electrons move the same distance at the same speed - current is just a measure of how much energy is being transferred [02:47] It's because the light is, well, light. [02:48] could someeone get hurt with low voltage and high current or is it worse vice versa? [02:48] in water, current is a measure of speed, not energy [02:48] yep [02:48] it's a relation thing [02:49] higher voltage just means it breaks down the skin resistance quicker - what stops your heart is the current that flows through it [02:49] So do speakers running 150W RMS operate on 12V DC or 110W AC? [02:50] nixnix (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:50] heh [02:50] speakers dont have power sources [02:50] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:50] the amplified audio signal is the power source, if you want to look at it that way [02:50] if they take 150W RMS into approximately 8 ohms, they need just under 20 volts of swing to do that [02:50] speakers don't work on dc - you get no audio, just a click [02:50] typially, speakers will get a higher voltage to increase the volune [02:50] volume [02:50] alisonken1noc: and possibly you get smoke too :( [02:51] :) [02:51] Then what does it mean by a digital amplifier, isn't digital meand DC (Digital Converter)? [02:51] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:51] of course its higher voltage for volume, you cant really affect the impedance of the speaker :P [02:51] DC in this context is "direct current", in other words not alternating current [02:51] actually, we should be moving this over to ##slackofftopic [02:51] lol [02:52] yea, we got into this by talking about speakers and old legacy wing commander. [02:52] and soundcards and bass guitars heh [02:53] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:53] I noticed :) [02:53] yea like someone buying a Fender for $200 made in the USA. [02:53] http://www.theaccessoriesforum.com/showthread.php?t=1572 [02:53] I thought Fenders were made in China. [02:53] i wonder what theyre gonna say to that [02:53] Fenders are made everywhere haha [02:53] Squiers are made in China [02:53] Action: nyRednek just rediscovered the joys of a mud shell...see you guys in a few weeks [02:53] hehe [02:53] Squiers are also made in Mexico, and Indonesia iirc among other places [02:53] so are Fenders unless theyre US Fenders [02:54] on the headstock it'll say "Squier by Fender" or maybe just Squier, no Fender logo at all [02:54] Fender doesnt mean US [02:54] anyway - if you take alternating current (a/c), shift the voltage level to a positive voltage _above_ the minimum needed to make a pulsed-dc signal, you use DC voltage to amplify the signal, then run through a transformer to block the dc and pass the ac [02:54] My favorite RPG series were Twinion, Yserberius, and Ultima 4-7. [02:54] in digital, the signal is digitized, then amplified a slightly different way [02:55] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:55] ermm, alison, what? :P [02:55] fwc: yeah, but colloquially, to a certain type of musician, the word Fender means "Made in USA, at least 25 years old, and I paid at least $1500 for it"... [02:55] Urchlay: lol yeah [02:55] nixnix (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:56] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!n=root@* expired. [02:56] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:56] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:56] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [02:56] Why not buy a Gibson bass, those are still in the usa. [02:56] some of the mexi-fenders I've played have been really really nice [02:56] captswall: eh, I never really liked any of the gibson basses I ever played. The guitars (Les Paul and SG) I love, but not the basses for some reason [02:56] i wouldnt mind a telecaster [02:57] i hate anything without a hard bridge [02:57] any preference for a bass amp? [02:57] I've always enjoyed the Gallien Kruegar sound. [02:57] captswall: currently using a Hartke HA3500, would prefer an infinite amount of money to spend on vintage all-tube Ampeg, but ehhh... [02:58] played thru a nice (but small) GK head the other night, liked its sound [02:58] very deep and smooth bass. [02:58] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:59] nixnix (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:59] used to drool over Trace Eliot stuff, but I dunno if it's really all that great or if it was just better than the shite I started out with :) [02:59] My favorite band i saw in concert 18x used a GK with 4 10", i felt like i was in heaven [03:00] I also like Orange for guitar. [03:00] Orange... don't know them [03:00] I think those 2 compliment themselves very well together. [03:00] They are made in Orange County California, USA> [03:01] tubes or uber-hi-tech stuff like line 6? [03:01] jhw (n=jhw@195.180.9.202) joined ##slackware. [03:01] Very expensive, Weezer is known to use them [03:01] nixnix (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:01] EuroTrash (n=rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:02] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:02] EuroTrash (n=rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:02] not too much of an audiophile on the types of heads, but i love the sound reproductoin sound. [03:02] if Weezer uses 'em, I bet they don't suck [03:03] They also use GK. [03:03] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:03] I've seen them 4x in concert, Anberlin also uses GK. [03:03] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:03] I going to concerts, but perfer small venues. [03:04] I never understood why people like huge venues. [03:04] I'd rather pay more for the ticket for a smaller venue. [03:05] I don't like the huge mega-concert venues [03:05] Like seeing the Smashing Pumpikins in a theatre hall for $75, seating 1.5k people. [03:05] for one thing, it's literally as loud as a jet plane taking off next to your head [03:06] nixnix (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:06] no kidding, and almost impossible to know where to get the right ballance of sound. [03:06] I will admit I went to see Pink Floyd at a huge venue and enjoyed it (I sat in the nosebleed section and brought binoculars) [03:06] nixnix (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:06] /w or w/o waters? [03:07] I went to Warptour and was at center stage center, 3rd row back and it was too loud and unbalanced to know what to think of the audio, i was gettinga headache. [03:07] mancha: without, sadly [03:07] this would have been the Pulse tour, 1995ish [03:08] ah, kay [03:08] the warptour i went to was a venue with over 80k people, outdoor. [03:08] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:08] the last tour with Waters was "The Wall" in 1980/81, only played in 3 cities... I was like 9 years old, no chance to see them then :( [03:09] in the midist of it all it was hot right over the top of blacktop, as it was a speedway. [03:09] nixnix (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:09] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:09] ugh, I can only imagine the acoustics at a race track [03:10] 9am it was 93F, and 2pm it was 104F. [03:10] it went from 9am to 12am [03:10] Axius (n=fd@92.82.90.22) left irc: "leaving" [03:10] urban3 (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:10] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [03:10] it was the worst experiece ever for knowing if a band was good or not, aweful accustics, even 20 ft from the stage [03:10] urban3 (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [03:11] i couldn't heard the voices most the time to know what they were saying. [03:11] i would hate to be the soundman for that venue. [03:12] soundman probably smoked a fat joint and turned all the knobs all the way up [03:12] to eleven? [03:12] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] unop (n=unop@82-38-192-17.cable.ubr04.shef.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [03:12] possibly, and set the monitors enough for the people on stage to keep thier beat. [03:12] yeah, spinal tap style [03:13] Urch, there was a nice reunion @ hyde park for live aid [03:13] Axius (n=fd@92.82.90.22) joined ##slackware. [03:14] saw a bootleg of that. They seemed to just be going through the motions, not really enjoying it [03:14] What is this I heard that Greatful Dead has been touring. I thought the lead singer died, and also from Blind Melon. [03:14] (maybe cause they've all played those songs literally thousands of times) [03:14] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:14] I dunno. Jerry Garcia's been dead for 10 years, ain't he? [03:15] prolly more, you a deadhead? [03:15] nixnix (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:15] not me [03:15] I think Jerry Garcia died in 1993. [03:15] Urchlay: Another possibility is that, after 30 years, they're just plain sick of how it's become everything they were parodying 30 years ago [03:16] was going to go see them once, couldn't get tickets, ended up sitting in the parking lot listening [03:16] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:17] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [03:17] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:17] I was way to young to really know anything about them other than they had a kewl logo, and remember seeing thier music vidoe I will Servive; while i was still in elementary. [03:17] But i got to see Poison in the late 80's 3x. [03:18] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:18] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [03:18] and Good ole Meat Loaf too. [03:18] nixnix (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:19] not too sure but I've always been a fan of Wierd Al Yankovic. [03:19] speaking of weird things, you know which concert had the largest audience ever? [03:19] "his name is Robert Paulson!" [03:19] Woodstock 1968 [03:19] rod stewart playin in rio de janeiro [03:20] I never knew too much from Rod Stewart. I only remember the duet with Byran adams they did for the movie 3 Musketeers "All for Love". [03:20] le soleil vient de se lever, c'est l'heure du petit déjeuner, ricoré [03:20] nixnix (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:20] hmmmmm, morning :) [03:20] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:21] ugh, I had a roommate once who owned the rod stewart single "Do you think I'm sexy?" and would get high & play it over & over again [03:21] was that french Tux. [03:21] I suppose because it was the only vinyl he owned [03:21] captswall: yeah, from a bad/silly ad >< [03:22] I still have the Poison vinal discontinued cover for Look What the Cat Dragged in. We got it when it first came out. [03:23] Something I still have that reminds me of vinal is my old collection of Laser discs. [03:23] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:23] nixnix (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:24] what would be computers be like without the discovering of magnetical properties? [03:25] we'd still be using punchcards or something? [03:25] captswall: babbage's difference engine [03:25] steampunk, baby! [03:25] nixnix (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:26] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:26] e01 (n=OSCorp01@213.169.52.50) joined ##slackware. [03:26] have you heard MIT has made a breakthrough of researching coldfusion. [03:27] captswall: i've seen they did tabletop fusion, but that it consumed more energy than it created [03:27] not really sure how you can apply electrical current and recieve same current and higher voltage. [03:27] which is currently expected for fusion ;) [03:28] Axius (n=fd@92.82.90.22) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:28] tabletop fusion sounds preaty easy to do. [03:28] you need lots of power to bootstrap the thing and once it's on, you get power back but currently it's not stable so you only get back low amounts of power [03:28] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:28] nixnix (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:29] Axius (n=fd@92.82.90.22) joined ##slackware. [03:29] captswall: well, here's the thing, if you could put together a stable fusion process, you'd generate energy from the breakdown of matter, not consume energy trying to fuse [03:29] Action: Camarade_Tux gets some rope and binds nixchix0r to her chair [03:30] since fusion products always contain less matter than the materials fused for the product [03:31] nixnix (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:31] couldn't the fusion waste be sent outward and repapplied indefinatly? [03:31] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-52-255.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:32] waste reffereing to the energy produced greater than at start. [03:32] you're thinking perpetual motion type - doesn't work very well with current technology [03:33] nixnix (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:33] captswall: figure out how, and you'll make yourself a rich man and a country energy-independent [03:33] that, or you'll be assassinated by the oil cartel [03:33] can't there be a sensor to indicate the voltage, and allow voltage leakage to drop to keep current levels the same in coldfusion? [03:33] Urchlay: yeah, that could happen too [03:34] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:35] and programed to shutdown or slowed down if not being used to avoid overload and vice versa. [03:36] and build appropriate coldfusion stations to meet the demand. [03:37] i don't think it would be that practicle that you could make a coldfusion generation be used in car or to operate it. [03:37] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Connection timed out [03:37] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:38] now you said it's unstable, how's it unstalbe? [03:38] you don't want to shutdown a cold fusion reactor ^^ [03:38] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:39] Camarade_Tux: exactly...that would make the entire process rather unstable [03:39] why what could be the worst that could happen. [03:39] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [03:39] captswall: a chain reaction [03:39] phoenix^: :) [03:40] greetings Camarade_Tux :) [03:40] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:40] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:40] or simply that you may have to start it again which requires lots of power [03:40] Axius (n=fd@92.82.90.22) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:40] morning phoenix^ (it's morning already, right? :P ) [03:40] why not keep these in remote places like deserts or undesired area, limit the the risk. [03:40] phoenix^: hi [03:40] Camarade_Tux: yes, it is. :) 02:39 [03:40] linXea|MBP (n=esbjorn@nomad-ult-c4185.data.slu.se) joined ##slackware. [03:40] hello nyRednek [03:41] well have number of coldfusion reacotors tied to each other, if one has to stop and then start the power could be generated by the others. [03:41] captswall: here's the problem, a chain reaction could spread radioactive material over a wide area [03:42] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-26-4.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:42] captswall: have you seen the size of a coldfusion reactor? ^^ [03:43] nope, but i am sure they can't be bigger than necular power plant. [03:44] why not self contail the property via plasma shield. [03:44] and provide underground and sealed passage ways for ventaliation. [03:45] which could be easily powered by the coldfuson reactors. [03:45] captswall: not so easy... [03:45] captswall: that 'plasma shield' is likely to fuel an out of control reaction, should one stop [03:45] plasma sheild would prevent any radioactive material from escaping. [03:46] s/stop/start [03:46] to prevent a fusion process from going out of control, one would want to limit fuel, not provide a fresh source [03:47] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [03:47] a plasma shield is tons of power, but if you make more to start = free energy, why not use it for enviromental and public saftey. [03:48] aigon (n=ojof@92.82.90.22) joined ##slackware. [03:48] that could all be done via computer controls through if then else statements and sensors, monitoring. [03:49] monitoring could be done at a remote location. [03:49] captswall: a plasma 'shield' is a gas at a higher state of energy...almost up to state where fusion process can naturally happen [03:49] just make sure it's not a government project using the lowest bidder:) [03:50] and remote monitoring would fall apart once the first sensor died [03:50] wow, http://www.funlol.com/14310/Purple_rolls.html [03:50] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." [03:50] Nick change: phoenix^ -> fire|bird [03:50] sensors could be verified and checked by droids. [03:51] captswall: yeah, that'll work... [03:51] and droids be brought in and out on a daily basis via shuttle transport piples. [03:51] captswall: besides, cold/tabletop fusion is not 'free energy' [03:51] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.12.49.9) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [03:52] captswall: according to the laws of thermodynamics, free energy is impossible [03:52] major investment, but would pay off if all reasearch has been done. [03:52] what that one guy said in armageddon: "You do realize that we're sitting on top of several hundred tons of explosives, held together by (big count) of parts, made by a government project that used the lowest bidder?" (paraphrased) [03:52] fire|bird: where does your quit message come from btw? [03:53] probably multi trillion dollar investment [03:53] Camarade_Tux: Winston Churchill. [03:53] Camarade_Tux: history fail [03:53] captswall: which means it won't happen [03:54] I haven't seen that movie since it was in theatres. [03:54] I think that movie was in theatres in 1994. [03:54] captswall: you see that they're trying to finance mars missions on the same budget of apollo missions(not adjusted for inflation) [03:54] Armageddon (1998) [03:55] Why can't they make a car like the one in the Last Starfighter. [03:55] are the gonna lose the footage of the mars landing as well? [03:55] and cold fusion is signifigantly more complex than flying humans to mars [03:55] mancha: probably [03:55] alisonken1noc: I'm not a native english speaker, I haven't had the same exposure, keep that in mind ;-) [03:55] fire|bird: thanks [03:56] Camarade_Tux: :) [03:56] you're welcome [03:56] Anyone see the movie The Last Starfighter? [03:56] long time ago [03:56] linXea|MBP (n=esbjorn@nomad-ult-c4185.data.slu.se) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [03:56] mancha: i think they've finally found that footage [03:56] cute movie [03:57] It's one of my alltime favorite movies, I just got the 25th Anervery movies on Bluray been remastered in 7.1 DTS. [03:57] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-52-255.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:57] i heard they were piecing it together from 2dary sources (i.e. people who showed the vid when it first was released) [03:58] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [03:58] the computer generated graphics were done a Cray3 Supercomputer back in 1983. [03:59] a whopping 300mhz and 128mb ram. [03:59] he, 1983 and you had that ;-) [04:00] 8086 was about the home verson of 2mhz in 1983. [04:00] 4mhz with the turbo button. [04:01] I had one of those as well [04:01] and if you were lucky you might have a 5mb hdd that weighed 10lbs. [04:01] and either 8" or 5.25" disc drive (floppy) [04:02] my first hard drive was for a 386, 20M hard drive I paid $200 when I went to hong kong [04:02] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [04:02] aigon (n=ojof@92.82.90.22) left irc: "Leaving" [04:02] my first computer was a comadore 128, then a 486DX2/50mhz. [04:02] then a pentium 2 300mhz [04:02] well, my first computer was an 8088 clone that had a shift register for the keyboard interface [04:03] then pentium 3 866hmz [04:03] then a PentiumD 3.06Ghz. [04:04] _MaggoT_ (n=maggot@125.161.222.168) joined ##slackware. [04:04] Now a Core2 Quad 9550 2.8Ghz. [04:04] alisonken1noc: soon you'll have 20TB for the same price [04:04] a million times more [04:04] :) [04:05] my last hard drive bought was 64gb and that was $300, but it had read speed 270mb, write 230mb actual speed. [04:05] that is my main boot drive, 1.5tb for storage. [04:06] Anyone into the old Sierra games? [04:07] used to have some - Might and Magic was the biggie on the ship [04:07] I liked castes [04:07] castles [04:07] either Kings Quest, Leisure Suit Larry, Roger Wilco Space Quest, Heros Quest? [04:07] LSL - yeah, had all three of them [04:07] I love the Might and Magic games, what about Wizardry. [04:07] or Zork. [04:07] didn't try it [04:08] or Joust, or Zaxon? [04:08] my gaming was limited - I was having fun with the combat computers on the ship [04:09] Dig Dug, Maniac Mansion, Moneky Island. [04:10] I question myself all the time why do i play all these new games, the old games are so much better i think overall. [04:10] Graphics is everything. [04:11] Give me back my Cleovision. [04:11] we have a wii at home. my 7yo has things like Sonic the Hedgehog (great graphics) and what does he play the most? super mario brothers 3 from the wii store [04:12] I have the Super Mario Bother 3 NES cartridge. [04:12] win 33 [04:12] My prized game console i have is the Neo Geo. [04:12] Those carts are like huge bricks. [04:13] thicker than 2 vhz tapes, and 8" high, and slightly longer. [04:13] I bought the system on ebay for $200, in 1990 when it came out it was $650, and games ranged from 180-330 ea. [04:14] The carts for the system were no diffent than the ones used in the archades, wait they were identical. [04:14] morning slackers [04:14] that is why the price was so high. [04:14] carts held 54mb-707mb. [04:15] hi rogersman [04:19] being called a slacker makes me think of watching Back to the Future... =D [04:19] heh [04:19] we need to clean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware [04:19] I guess I could slack and watch that, as the pricipal always though he was a slacker. [04:20] Whatever happened to the Corell Linux distributions? [04:20] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:20] limbo? =) [04:20] define clean [04:21] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [04:21] I remember first hearing about them at a Comdex convention along with Suse, but they still exist. [04:21] This section may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. Please improve this section if you can. (July 2009) [04:22] I was at the comdex convention when they were introducing windows NT4. [04:22] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:23] more than what spook mentionned, some sections need some markup and reorganization [04:23] they're just a bunch of links [04:24] "Third-party" and "dependency resolution" at least [04:24] well, if someone wants to help me with the section changes, I've got a wikipedia account [04:24] (I _think_ it's still active) [04:24] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [04:25] Mr Stricklin? [04:25] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [04:25] aahh..they'll never make a trilogy like that again [04:25] is there a way to monitor (text mostly) changes in websites?... if they do not have rss [04:25] ok, do we want to keep all the links to third-party apps? [04:26] Mornin [04:26] The-Croupier: you can extract texts with some software, not sure which [04:26] The-Croupier: or wget + diff [04:26] hi Zordrak [04:27] oops - the link on slackbuilds.org : "All software is provided as source along with a SlackBuild script ..." [04:27] doesn't sound right - sbo only provides the slackbuilds [04:27] no the sources [04:27] a link to the source(s) [04:28] however, the paragraph makes it sound like sbo is providing the sources [04:28] wget+diff...damn..:( [04:28] Camarade_Tux: thanks man [04:29] john_dee (n=id@93-81-138-69.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:29] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Fui embora" [04:29] The-Croupier: know programming [04:29] alisonken1noc: hmmm, yeah, I totally agree [04:31] Camarade_Tux: know the philosophy of it..amateur programming just what ive done in university..java,assembly,c,c++,sql,pascal, thats it [04:32] been doing little projects on those..nothing serious [04:32] The-Croupier: ok, you could maybe have extracted the bits from the page otherwise ;-) [04:33] alisonken1noc: I don't think 3-rd party apps should be mentionned in "dependency resolution", rather it should refer to the "3-rd party" section for that [04:33] change the slackbuild line to "A SlackBuild script and a link to the source is provided so you can build and install a package for your system." sound good [04:33] ? [04:34] alisonken1noc: also, I think "dependency resolution" probably lacks something like "unlike most other linux distribtions, slackware doesn't blablabla" (like) [04:34] to replace "All software is provided as source along with A SlackBuild script to build a package for your system from that source." [04:34] alisonken1noc: sounds good for me [04:35] brb [04:36] Camarade_Tux: what do you mean???? [04:38] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:40] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:41] The-Croupier: with some coding, you can extract only the interesting bits of information, not the whole html code [04:45] that would be a bitch...im at work..and i need something quick...:( this buggs me having to run all the time for stupid things that come up the bosses mind [04:45] Camarade_Tux: have a look at it now [04:46] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.233.196) joined ##slackware. [04:48] alisonken1noc: yeah, better :) [04:52] hm. How come irssi doesn't let me direct a /list command to a particular server, if I type it in the msgs window? [04:53] anybody knows why ruby 1.9 isn't in slackware yet ? it supposedly was released on Dec 26, 2007 [04:54] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [04:55] bleah, /list doesn't seem to work on newnet anyway [04:57] Richlv: hmmm [04:57] Action: Zordrak has permission to bid on ebay with company cash :) [04:58] Zordrak: hahaha :P [04:58] what you gonna buy? =) [04:58] a rac [04:58] *rack [04:59] plastic surgeons advertise on ebay now? :P [04:59] joke was made two days ago [04:59] wasnt funny then :) [05:00] Zordrak: oh yeah, I remember now :) [05:02] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:02] let's free some ram [05:03] <_MaggoT_> i got some problem for mount my dvd-rw. this my fstab http://pastebin.com/d24358a4a, and this my dvd-rw info when use dmesg "ata1.00: ATAPI: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH22NS50, TN01, max UDMA/100, ATAPI AN" [05:04] and what is the problem? =) [05:04] <_MaggoT_> cannot mount dvd-rw [05:04] <_MaggoT_> got error [05:04] how do you try to mount it? [05:04] <_MaggoT_> first i go edit my fstab [05:04] <_MaggoT_> then use kwikdisk [05:05] <_MaggoT_> for dvd already done [05:05] <_MaggoT_> but for my dvd-rw still got error [05:06] Camarade_Tux, 'hmmm' meant "nobody knows" ? :) [05:06] what is the difference betwen the two? [05:06] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:07] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:07] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-0-49.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:07] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:07] i got a webcam that works using v4l2 but it's slow... seems to be running like 20 fps... how do i improve this (the webcam is logitech s5500) [05:07] Richlv: meant "you have a point, I think it may be due to the fact 1.9.x is more bleeding-edge, or at least was, maybe there were incompatibilities too, have you heard of problems with 1.9.x? also, what does this new version bring?" [05:07] see, that's what you call efficient compression :) [05:08] zoran119: how do you know that's not how the webcam works? any hint about cpu usage? (and there is maybe a control for the image rate somewhere actually) [05:08] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-2.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:09] aww maaan [05:10] theres a new bidder [05:10] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.25) left irc: "Leaving." [05:10] nyone aware of an application that let's me zoom my screen using the mouse wheel following the cursor ... google earth style? no crappy zoomed windows or anything...thanx [05:10] Zordrak: he may even be on this channel :) [05:10] i doubt it [05:10] Zordrak: don't you hate that? [05:11] its local pickup only [05:11] what are you bidding on? [05:11] Camarade_Tux: cpu is doing fine (3% usage on one of the 4 cores).. not sure about the image rate, where would i find that? setting -fps in mplayer didn't help [05:11] rogersman: press ctrl+wheel up or down [05:11] rogersman: compiz* may do that [05:11] >.< .... a rack [05:11] ah [05:11] zoran119: what is the driver for your webcam? [05:11] Camarade_Tux: i've seen a lower model logitech webcam on windows and it's heaps smoother [05:11] its nowhere near my limit yet.. but theres still a while left on it [05:11] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:12] and these other two might just have a litte fight over it [05:13] and i dont like that it no longer tells you who your bidding against [05:14] Camarade_Tux: not sure about the driver... how do i find out? uvcvideo module is loaded as well as v4l1_compat and the mplayer call has -tv driver:v4l2:device=/dev/video0 [05:14] zoran119: probably uvcvideo [05:14] Camarade_Tux: ok - now we get to see if they let me keep my changes on that page :) [05:16] zoran119: have you tested with somethign else than mplayer? [05:16] alisonken1noc: hehe :P [05:16] Camarade_Tux: wxcam gives same results [05:16] esteeven (n=esteeven@82-32-107-213.cable.ubr02.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:17] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.25) joined ##slackware. [05:21] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:21] zoran119: what is your full command-line for mplayer? [05:23] <_MaggoT_> mount : only root can mount /dev/sr0 on /mnt/cdwriter [05:23] <_MaggoT_> i already user chmod 777 on /dev/sr0 [05:23] Camarade_Tux: mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:device=/dev/video0 [05:23] <_MaggoT_> but still cannot mount my dvd-rw [05:23] what are the permissions on /mnt/cdwriter [05:24] _MaggoT_: only root is allowed to use mount... does that sound right? [05:24] there's also a chance that you may have to add that to fstab with the 'users' option in order to mount as a user [05:24] <_MaggoT_> yea zoran119 [05:24] <_MaggoT_> ok alisonken1home i will try again maybe im doing something wrong [05:24] /dev/sr0 isn't in your fstab [05:25] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [05:25] why the hell are racks so expensive anyway? £400 for a box on wheels with some mount rails [05:25] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [05:25] heavy duty and powder coating always drive the price up [05:25] zoran119: and does "mplayer tv:// -tv /dev/video" work? (I can't test here, no more webcam driver :D ) [05:26] Zordrak: DIY [05:26] Camarade_Tux: not worth the company's (my) time [05:26] anyone know how to stop kde programs from creating the Desktop folder? [05:26] wollw: guess it's impossible [05:27] oh well [05:27] Camarade_Tux: unknown suboption /dev/video0... error parsing option on the command line: -tv [05:28] zoran119: "mplayer tv:// /dev/video0"? [05:28] <_MaggoT_> done [05:29] <_MaggoT_> thx all [05:29] <_MaggoT_> forget put cp my edit fstab n change owner to user [05:29] Camarade_Tux: it is working but the results are still the same... [05:29] <_MaggoT_> :p [05:30] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:30] zoran119: ok [05:33] suryabhan (n=quassel@61.12.58.146) joined ##slackware. [05:34] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [05:34] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [05:38] john_dee (n=id@93-81-138-69.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [05:39] Camarade_Tux: 52 frames in 11 seconds [05:41] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824085743]" [05:42] so, my screen is going black every 5 minutes until a key is pressed...i've disabled all forms of power control i can find, screen saver, etc...how might i find precisely which command/setting/whatever is being called to cause this behaviour? [05:42] Intel[R]VT-x_ (n=chatzill@124.43.41.21) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:42] that may also be a setting in your monitor - or it could be the cli part at bootup that is setting that [05:43] zoran119: which kernel? [05:43] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:43] Camarade_Tux: 2.6.29.6 [05:44] Camarade_Tux: someone mentioned a similar problem on the net with 9000 pro model... they said that it was ok after turning off the auto exposure... they just didn't say how to do that... [05:45] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:45] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:49] @alisonken1noc - cli part? are you referring to the screen section in rc.M ? [05:52] zoran119: seems there is something named uvcdynctrl that can do that, otherwise syfs [05:52] something like /sys/bus/usb/drivers/uvcvideo/... [05:52] SkyNet_ONE (n=Ederson@187.34.42.181) joined ##slackware. [05:52] Action: Camarade_Tux hates how ^W never works the same for all apps, irssi, firefox, zsh, vim [05:53] SkyNet_ONE (n=Ederson@187.34.42.181) left irc: Client Quit [05:56] Anyone used ebay recently? When the clock goes live on the page (60mins remaining) is thi bid info live too or do you need te refresh for it? [05:57] I like VI editor over VIM. [05:58] yeah, the best way not to run as root is to have bash as your root shell and zsh as your regular shell [05:58] captswall: hooray for you... but id be willing to bet youre not even using vi even if you think you are [05:59] rogersman: yes [05:59] just not sure if that's it, since rc.M typicall sets 15 minutes not 5 minutes [05:59] Yes I still use it, for one it works flawlessly, why learn something new. [05:59] captswall: so.. you just type "vi" in slackware, right? [05:59] been using VI editor since Redhat 4.0. [05:59] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.91.2) joined ##slackware. [06:01] Zordrak: bidding info is live too. [06:01] mako-sama: thx [06:02] captswall: ? [06:03] well, i already commented out that line in rc.M ... tho the monitor is going into standy rather than simply going blank...i just wish i knew how to track the action that precedes it [06:04] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:05] Camarade_Tux: what's syfs? [06:05] zoran119: it's /sys [06:05] "something like /sys/bus/usb/drivers/uvcvideo/..." [06:05] there may be a control there, is there a file named auto-exposure or something similar? [06:06] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:07] adamk_ (n=adamk@c-68-45-151-98.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:08] google/motorola droid coming to verizon 20oct - and I happen to have a verizon account that's getting ready for a phone upgrade :) [06:08] s/20/30/ [06:09] s/verizon/Izon/ :) [06:09] @alisonken1noc - any other advice? [06:10] er [06:10] IZON [06:10] rogersman: this is not twitter.. this is IRC.. just so you know.. you might have gotten confused [06:10] Zordrak: I pay them enough for 3 phones, they can live with it :) [06:10] alisonken1noc: buh? [06:10] alisonken1noc: mine was a Cube 2 reference [06:10] Camarade_Tux: nah... doesn't seem to be there... uvcdynctrl doesn't work... pain in the neck... [06:11] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:11] explain urself zordrak... [06:11] Zordrak: you were being a spelling nazi on verIZON :) [06:11] alisonken1noc: no, not at all [06:11] ah [06:11] you added after I hit enter [06:12] alisonken1noc: google izon+cube+2+hypercube [06:13] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [06:14] Action: Zordrak just realised that with maybe one or possibly two exceptions.. ALL Lions Gate films suck ass unless they are produced or co-produced by another studio [06:15] anyone seen surrogates? [06:16] i find it odd that in the future we have the technology to duplicate almost perfectly the exterior of a human being, to precisely map brain regions and simulate all 5 senses....but we're still using USB 2.0 and petrol cars? [06:17] Action: Zordrak is trying to remember what steps are needed to place a bid so he can leave it as late as possible [06:17] Action: Zordrak does not find it odd [06:18] :) [06:18] rogersman: petrol cars is due to companies in detroit - we've had the tech for many decades for alternatives [06:18] alisonken1noc: fail [06:18] i would have hoped wireless usb would finally have been implemented... [06:19] rogersman: uh.. its called WiFi.. or bluetooth.. or ZigBee [06:19] juice (i=1000@65.28.97.1) joined ##slackware. [06:19] Zordrak: how? I've seen a lot of the patents that the oil industries have bought up that concern alternatives to petrol cars [06:19] no-one cares about detroit cars but americans [06:19] detroit was just a reference for auto makers [06:19] maybe they just spent the whole budget on CGI for bruce willis' face... [06:19] europe and japan own the market for everything except "american muscle cars" [06:20] captswall (n=kissinge@c-67-167-184-242.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:20] but then "american muscle" is just a euphamism for "cant go round corners faster than a boat" [06:21] man.. i should have timed this better... im seriously buzzing on caffeine right now and my auction is just about to end [06:23] mesaGL (n=mesaGL@unaffiliated/mesagl) joined ##slackware. [06:24] kowa (i=kowalczy@237-160.neasonline.no) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:24] Zordrak: tic tac, tic tac, tic tac :) [06:25] FUCK [06:25] :) [06:25] alisonken1noc: we haven't had the tech for decades, we've had the basis for the tech [06:26] Camarade_Tux: the tech is there - just because of lack of development (think shelved patents), it's not economically feasible. big difference [06:27] well, we completely agree actually ;) [06:27] i fucking hate ebay [06:27] :) [06:27] its no good for buying.. no good for selling [06:27] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [06:27] Action: Camarade_Tux gives Zordrak a handful or zen [06:27] Camarade_Tux: ;) [06:28] its just a way for people with too much time and money to piss everyone who doesnt off while companies use it as a trade stall [06:29] @Zordrak...just try gumtree...i've sold loads of shit without the arse of delivering it [06:29] rogersman: again.. this is not twitter [06:29] rogersman: if you want to talk to Zordrak, type Z [06:30] see, your nick is highlighted [06:30] @rogersman doesn't highlight it [06:30] or, for click fail - try and double-click on his nick before someone chats and moves it up [06:30] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:31] alisonken1noc: hahaha :P [06:32] ya vohl mein fuhrer [06:32] Jawohl actually [06:33] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: Connection timed out [06:33] willca (n=willca@71.231.51.193) left irc: "Leaving" [06:34] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824085743]" [06:35] not really much of an IRC person, until i got a desk job :-p [06:39] me to some chick who wants to learn about computers: i guess i'll have to start your education, [ in bed ] [06:39] Kowalczyk (i=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:41] i wish london would fuck off and make its own country.. every search for anything anywhere and you have to filter out the fucking london results [06:41] Zordrak: dont forget to filter out leeds [06:41] i could pick up from that shithole if necessary [06:42] why would you want to? [06:42] cause i need a rack [06:42] but i dont have £500 budget for a brand new one [06:42] *insert double-entendre here* [06:43] rogersman: too late [06:43] d'h [06:43] i've already made that joke a few days ago [06:43] lol [06:45] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.65.55) joined ##slackware. [06:51] anyone have experience with linux Mint? Is it good for a linux new commer? [06:51] mrselfpwn: O_o [06:51] just curious ^^ [06:52] i think it's like a revamped ubuntu [06:52] definitely the latest fashion on the block [06:52] heheh [06:52] you happen to know their #channel? [06:53] a friend of mine i'm finally getting to try out linux. [06:53] hmm, nope. i'd assume #mint or #mintlinux [06:54] _MaggoT_ (n=maggot@125.161.222.168) left irc: "Leaving" [06:54] nope [06:55] they use a different irc server [06:55] irc.spotchat.org/#linuxmint [06:56] kowa (i=kowalczy@237-160.neasonline.no) joined ##slackware. [07:00] seem like a bunch of douche bags in there. [07:02] whats new? [07:03] yeah really [07:03] good distro would be slackware [07:03] yeah, I know, but he suggested mint [07:04] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) left irc: "leaving" [07:04] cus he'd tried it in a vm before. [07:04] Kowalczyk (i=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.no) joined ##slackware. [07:08] People don't seem to want to try slackware it seems like. [07:08] it's all the hype about slackware and old info about cli [07:08] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-gjrnqmnrxnrspbos) joined ##slackware. [07:08] I prefer cli though. [07:08] ^^ [07:09] so do I - although cli via xterminal means more cli to play with :) [07:09] a lot of ncurses packages i can't find in other popular distros that are in slackware or slackbuilds [07:09] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [07:09] well, yeah I do use X. [07:10] and eduke32, don't forget eduke32, no other distro has it! [07:10] haha, right! [07:10] for such a hard-core group as slackers, there sure are alot of GUI apps to play with :) [07:12] well - you should see the verizon email about droid I got when I added myself to the "notify me" group for droid [07:14] oh yeah? [07:14] yep [07:14] btw - on the slackers and gui :) [07:14] heh [07:17] Jay Leno:"Big story - now the huge fraud has been exposed for the whole world to see. But enough about the Dodgers." [07:17] s/Dodgers/Dodgers last night/ [07:25] wow, looks like he's actually downloading slackware [07:26] for those in the US, didn't i read about how the obama administration is looking to implement open-source software in goverment institutions? any news on that? [07:26] he said, is it 9.1 or slackware64 that I need? [07:27] what institutions rogersman ? [07:27] I don't that it's not just as easily as saying hey, install this. Once something is standard in the Gov, it stays that way for a while. [07:28] s/I don't/I know [07:29] i was quite impressed by the desire to do this....the stranglehold windows still has over the corporate world (and of course consumer market) needs a kick in the arse [07:30] yeah, maybe they can squeeze in another noble prize for him while they are at it. [07:30] lol...yeah, i know what they were trying to do, but come on... [07:31] thats like giving Einstein the nobel prize for promoting the explanation of brownian motion [07:31] haha [07:32] more like giving Gomer pile the noble prize for promoting the theory of relativity. [07:33] john_dee (n=id@93-81-138-69.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:33] well...still looks good on obamas CV... [07:34] how on earth did u remember piles first name? lol [07:35] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.20) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:36] never seen the Andy Griffith show? [07:37] nope....isnt he the leader of the BNP? [07:37] bnp? [07:37] british national party? [07:37] small joke..nevermind [07:38] Pile did a lot after no time for sargeants [07:39] Actually I think he was only on the show for 1 season though. But everyone remembers him. [07:39] no time for sargeants? sorry mate, these cultural references are lost on a European! ;-) [07:40] with the following exceptions: Quantum Leap, Airwolf, A-Team & Blossom [07:40] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@aa20060611363b8b1fd4.userreverse.dion.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [07:41] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [07:41] actually i've confused myself hehe. disregard my statement [07:41] "Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C." (1964) [07:42] you are thinking of full metal jacket? [07:42] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gomer_Pyle [07:43] _bruno (n=bruno@189-68-128-184.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:43] Gomer started in No time for Sergeants and then got his own show from it is what I was trying to say. [07:44] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [07:44] yes, it's hard to give a 50 year history to someone in a few sentences. lol [07:46] i had no idea ... lol [07:47] The Private Pile you are thinking of is the one from Full Metal Jacket if i'm not mistaken. [07:47] heh [07:47] and here i thought that Pile actually was the name of the guy in FMJ [07:47] bump! [07:47] what package am I missing if slackware cant read my .bashrc on login? hmm? [07:47] yes, Gomer Pyle as opposed to Private Pile. haha [07:47] I can source it. but it aint being read on login [07:47] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.233.196) left irc: "Leaving" [07:48] or what am I missing? [07:48] .bash_profile Kowalczyk ? [07:48] Kowalczyk: permissions? [07:48] on the full install it work. but on this expert install it aint [07:48] "In Stanley Kubrick's film Full Metal Jacket, Sgt. Hartman calls Pvt. Lawrence 'Gomer Pyle'." [07:48] rogersman: no. I can source it. but not on login.. [07:48] hmm [07:48] awe yes wollw that's correct [07:49] im so glad i learn that fact [07:49] he was just making fun of him and referring to the original Gomer. :) [07:49] im the owner of the file.. hmm. [07:50] Kowalczyk: u logging in as root? [07:50] .bash_login iirc [07:50] rogersman: no. my user [07:50] just make a link [07:50] I have the same on a full install [07:50] same .bashrc script and it works [07:50] pass [07:50] ah [07:50] Kowalczyk: bash_profile? or am incorrect? [07:50] I dont have any .bash_profile [07:51] cp .bashrc .bash_profile [07:52] so the incredibly famous pop reference of private pyle was based on *another* pop reference to a previous pyle??? geez, i think life was probably a lot simpler before TV [07:52] that worked mrselfpwn [07:52] actually, .bash_profile should point to .bashrc. would you like the content to put in .bash_profile Kowalczyk ? [07:52] I dont have .bash_profile on the other machine.. and that works [07:52] hold tight one sec [07:53] ok :) [07:54] make your .bash_profile have this script; http://pastebin.org/46663 That way when you change .bashrc .bash_profile will read the updates as well. [07:54] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-81-250.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:55] s/read/run [07:55] meatbun (n=meatbun3@cpe-98-155-141-248.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:56] blitz\away> ok so im lost [07:56] whats this ios 15.0 business [07:56] Router(config)#$m-set sss esp-aes esp-sha-hmac ah-md5-hmac comp-lzs ? [07:56] Channel flood from meatbun -- kicking [07:56] sin_, i type in auto fill and got nothing of 'life time' above [07:56] meatbun kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [07:56] meatbun (n=meatbun3@cpe-98-155-141-248.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:56] wasn't thinking straight yet [07:56] set the time in the cryptomap [07:56] Router(config)#crypto ipsec security-association lifetime seconds 333 [07:56] Channel flood from meatbun -- kicking [07:56] * sin_ has quit () [07:56] meatbun kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [07:56] thanks :) [07:56] mrselfpwn: [07:56] he has a history of trolling. [07:56] meatspin [07:56] hehe [07:56] meatbun (n=meatbun3@cpe-98-155-141-248.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:57] wtf is the point of doing that? [07:57] how to create loopback interface number 2? [07:57] yeah, np Kowalczyk. Just to be strait, .bash_profile should have nothing in it except what was on that pastebin link. [07:57] ok. I'll see :) [07:58] and it reads the change in .bashrc [07:58] right [07:58] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.132.139) joined ##slackware. [07:58] hello [07:58] its like walking into a cafe, reading a book out loud to nobody that's listening until somebody makes you leave.... [07:58] .bashrc is the only one you should need to edit [07:59] hehe rogersman [07:59] y0 metrofox [07:59] y0 mrselfpwn [07:59] metrofox: sup' ? [08:00] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:00] rogersman, you mean: what's up? [08:00] yezzz [08:00] uh nothing... I'm surfing the web =) [08:01] when i get bored i start to using hackneyed cliches in irc ;-) [08:01] I'm looking for book list, I should buy them -.-" [08:01] rogersman, good... I learn more because of you :D [08:02] pardon my shit memory...you're where in the world? [08:02] italy [08:02] oh yeah...lucky b***ard! [08:03] mmm... why lucky? :D [08:03] hmmm...gorgeous women, great food and lovely weather..... [08:04] i think rosie o'donnel must have layed eggs all over scotland sometime in the past 20 years [08:05] rogersman, about women yes about food you're wrong and lovely weather... I hate warm clime [08:05] I hate pasta [08:05] lol [08:05] ur kinda fucked then arent u?! [08:05] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:05] and people throw their trash out the windows there don't they? [08:06] I mean... different kind of pasta and different flavoring [08:06] mrselfpwn, in palermo yes, in all other cities no :P [08:06] :) [08:06] we're the less civil italian :D [08:06] move to favignana! [08:07] favignana is a good town [08:07] so cool [08:07] g'day [08:07] so quiet [08:07] hi haldir [08:08] rogersman, the weather is hot and it's also part of sicily [08:09] i got bit by a wild dog when i was last in sicily? putana kane! [08:09] so nothing changes for me [08:09] putana cane? :O [08:09] so move if you dont like it mate [08:09] cookiecrisp (n=toast@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [08:10] rogersman, porco cane maybe :D puttana is for women and it's a dirty word [08:10] ive got about 4 italian dudes at the desk next to me...solaris support for the vatican! lol [08:10] Action: Camarade_Tux kicks metrofox :) [08:11] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.65.55) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:11] what, the vatican? :P [08:11] rogersman, kick them! :D [08:11] hey Camarade_Tux [08:11] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@aa20060611363b8b1fd4.userreverse.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [08:11] cookiecrisp (n=toast@208.233.36.250) left irc: Client Quit [08:11] well... go to eat now, see ya ;) [08:12] ciao [08:12] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [08:14] ciao [08:14] chow [08:14] would be more appropriate. :D [08:15] mornin [08:15] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [08:15] top o' the mornin to ya [08:16] pip pip cheerio [08:16] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [08:16] XD [08:17] cookiecrisp (n=toast@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [08:17] gnubien (n=e@58.244.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:17] winter: hoo's it gan' ? [08:18] sry, i cant understad you slang atm. [08:18] that was kinda the point...sorry...us scots are just mean sometimes ;-) [08:19] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [08:19] scots isn't slang anyway though :P [08:19] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-198-13.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:20] it sits in a lovely no-man-lands thats transcends both language, slang and dialect... [08:21] eh, it's a language of its own [08:21] it was [08:21] well i can't understand it :P [08:21] in a gandalf stylee....."there a few who can..." [08:21] it's a form of gaelic isnt it [08:22] nope [08:22] technically, its an offshoot of english from about 300 years ago [08:22] it came from anglo-saxon [08:22] (old english/englisc) [08:22] wikipedia is available in scots...though f**k knows who uses that [08:23] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-109-186-164.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:23] how to check local time for other users? [08:24] do you know their timezone? [08:24] never mind ... slash time username [08:24] duuuuh [08:24] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:24] meatbun (n=meatbun3@cpe-98-155-141-248.hawaii.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:25] slash time? [08:25] / [08:26] cookiecrisp (n=toast@208.233.36.250) left irc: "leaving" [08:26] ok - understood that, but is it an option for a command? I don't have /time [08:26] Desiderius (n=DC@195.221.162.126) joined ##slackware. [08:27] maybe its a pidgin thing....im not an IRC guru [08:27] ah [08:27] so alisonken1noc...ur in the middle east? [08:27] not the last time I checked :) the wife would be a little miffed if I was still in the Navy on westpac [08:28] http://wwp.gmt3.com/ [08:28] well I'm back [08:28] so where u @ ? [08:28] finally!!! I totally forgot you were gone :) [08:28] hey alisonken1home [08:29] hey alisonken1noc [08:29] rogersman: los angeles [08:29] okaaay...ur local time is 15.30 ? [08:29] try 0529 [08:29] :O los angeles? [08:29] los angeles, CA, USA [08:29] all right then, that time command is pish [08:29] yup 0529 here in california [08:30] alisonken1noc, yes in know... los angeles, beautiful city [08:30] you should all be in bed! [08:30] *I know [08:30] yeah... why are all you awake at this time? [08:30] well, I wouldn't call L.A. "beautiful" .... [08:30] metrofox: graveyard - for another 1/2 hour [08:30] alisonken1noc, why not? [08:30] because of the cesspool known as south central la [08:31] I was born and raised in this area (within 20 miles) [08:31] i slept all day and i have class later [08:31] all those buildings...^^ [08:31] south central is not the only reason [08:31] the buildings are nice, but there are other places that are better around here [08:31] the buildings are just big [08:31] they're cool [08:31] I must admit i have zero interest in seeing LA, but the californian country and san fran sounds cool [08:32] rogersman: yeah, it's nice up here [08:32] during the winter, yes. during the summer is debatable unless you like brown [08:32] how long to fly to NY? [08:32] I'm dreaming US since I was 5 [08:32] 6hrs? [08:32] no clue, never been to NY [08:33] fuck...its difficult to imagine those kind of distances within the same country [08:33] alisonken1noc, 6 seems to be too far away... [08:33] maybe 4 [08:33] its like going from st petersburg to seville [08:34] I meant: 6 hours seem to be too much [08:34] rogersman, yeah [08:34] 2,778 miles [08:34] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:34] NYC is interesting. I got lost there the one time i went through it though. Ended up driving where I stood out a bit [08:35] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:35] haldir, my uncle says that it's hard getting lost in NYC, seen that all streets are parallel [08:37] i took the wrong turn coming off some bridge and ended up going in the area of jamaica queens. i am the only one in the family that can read a map but I was driving [08:37] all streets look the same and have names liek 52nd and 43rd street...i think that would do my head in [08:38] haldir, GPS :D [08:38] metrofox, you sound like my wife :-) [08:38] rogersman, yeah, here every street has a name, via roma, corso dei mille... [08:38] via michele cipolla [08:39] etc... [08:39] yeah, i know....bit easier to remember than numbers isnt it? [08:39] nod_ (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [08:39] rogersman, much easier [08:40] Nick change: nod_ -> nod [08:40] other than each street number equals one block [08:40] part of my problem is i live in a rural area. so i am not used to traffic. [08:40] haldir, how long you spend getting at work' [08:40] ? [08:40] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:40] i work at home [08:41] not long then... [08:41] haldir, fantastic! [08:41] it is nice, but can be lonely. i can go weeks without seeing any company people [08:41] haldir: is it like weeds? with doctors and lawyers and business executives? [08:42] haldir, GREAT! [08:42] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62.47.150.30) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [08:42] never saw weeds. i am still in my sweat pants and tshirt drinking coffee [08:42] haldir, you're the american dream mate! [08:43] there goes my clever pop culture reference... :-( [08:43] jesus metrofox, what do italians hate their country so much? [08:43] haha, if only i could get a cute assistant [08:44] rogersman, I hate Italy because it doesn't offer me the same opportunities US do(for example) [08:44] metrofox: in life, everything involves trade-offs [08:44] you also live in EUROPE!!!! [08:44] every Italian is in the same condition of another, nothing changes... [08:44] metrofox: americans don't know what "goof food" is, could you live without? [08:44] *good food [08:44] Camarade_Tux, yes I could... [08:44] that depends on where you live anyway [08:45] Nick change: elfuser -> Dark_archer [08:45] or learn to make good food yourself [08:45] i did [08:45] I hate pasta for example, today I didn't eat pasta al sugo(the classic pasta with pomodoro) [08:45] that too [08:45] metrofox: you'll understand one day, food is everything -_- [08:45] because I hate it! I went to buy 2 breads [08:45] pthreat (i=c8319e97@gateway/web/freenode/x-xiwwhzvvvovjfuzc) left ##slackware. [08:45] make some [08:45] Camarade_Tux, I will one day, maybe :D [08:45] metrofox: I apologise for regrinding this axe...but what precisely is stopping you working somewhere else in Europe? [08:45] it's not hard [08:45] metrofox: you can come to France or go to Germany instead ;-) [08:46] hahaha :P [08:46] rogersman, I don't know, I just wanna live in the US, or in UK [08:46] everyone always thinks the grass is greener on the other side. sometimes when you get there it is a disappointment [08:46] Nick change: Dark_archer -> elfuser [08:46] so do it! theres plenty of work in scotland! fuck england tho! [08:47] Camarade_Tux, france and germany are ok, very different than Italy, more evolved with more civil people(instead of it) [08:47] one good thing for metrofox, i think lots of american women think italian men are sexy [08:47] metrofox: in the UK? don't! save your stomach! :o [08:47] Camarade_Tux, :P [08:47] haldir: hahaha :P [08:47] haldir, that's another reason I'll go there! [08:47] Camarade_Tux: something wrong with a deep fried mars bar ? lol [08:47] better than the haggis [08:48] one thing I don't like about US is... [08:48] .... [08:48] ..... [08:48] rogersman: hmmmm, dunno [08:48] coffee! [08:48] haggis is gorgeous....just dont think about what its made of.... [08:49] why do you prepare coffee with water inside? [08:49] rogersman, i found i could eat it with lots of whisky to ease it down [08:49] yeah metrofox, just wait till u try US coffee!! [08:49] rogersman, is it good? [08:49] if you have to force yourself not to think about what it is why eat it? [08:50] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.25) left irc: "Leaving." [08:50] Action: rogersman rolls on floor laughing [08:50] suryabhan (n=quassel@61.12.58.146) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [08:50] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62.47.145.27) joined ##slackware. [08:50] wollw, I think so too :P [08:50] wollw: its peasant food from the days of old...merely a traditional dish...not exactly fine dining [08:51] I like hamburgers and meat(pizza too :P I admit) [08:51] nothing against haggis, just get over what it is made of :P [08:51] once again make your coffee at home :-) [08:51] haldir, that's the best way for drinking coffee :D [08:52] metrofox: i have a vision of an american flag in your bedroom and jenny mccarthy on your desktop...am i very wrong? [08:52] rogersman, jenny mccarthy? NAAAAAA [08:52] rogersman, I've a shirt with an american flag back and written USA on! [08:52] pass the barf bag [08:52] pick a state ;P [08:53] my daughter has an italian shirt and sweat jacket :-) [08:53] wollw, NY! [08:54] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:54] haldir, my father wanted to buy me an Italian shirt(the same of the american one, but with italian flag + Italy written on instead of USA), I refused :P [08:55] zErOaCid (i=gnu@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:55] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:55] Hers has the italian flag on it, she is proud of the small amount of italian heritage we have, she also has an irish shirt [08:55] toastyto1st (n=toast@cpe-74-75-198-13.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:56] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left ##slackware. [08:58] you have an irish heritage too? :D [08:58] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:58] my family is mostly what they call Scots-Irish, with a little Italian and French thrown in [08:59] the wife is mostly Dutch and Irish [08:59] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [08:59] my dad's side goes back to glasgow on one side and is irish on the other iirc [09:00] metrofox - */ begin rant */ You come from a country that had an empire that endured more than two millenia, thats produced some of the most amazing art and music in history and contributed toward the scientific revolutions of the last five centuries...to say nothing of culinary heritage, amazing natural beauty and friendliness of the people ... love your country man! */ end rant */ [09:00] haldir, cool [09:00] mother in a german immigrant [09:00] Action: wollw 's grandmother shook hitler's hand. [09:01] rogersman, I love my country, but I like US too... [09:01] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [09:02] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [09:02] I know about our history and the roman empire, about Galileo Galilei and Leonardo Da Vinci... About Verdi etc... [09:03] rogersman, well said [09:03] but currently Italy has nothing to offer, same things... Food & women(beauty women are anywhere) [09:03] hcfd (n=fed@host86-131-167-55.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [09:03] wollw, my uncle stole stuff from goerring's house :-) [09:05] Sophye: [09:05] negli stati uniti dico; another friend of mine wants to live in the US too... [09:05] Sophye: In the US I meant ;) [09:06] I'm not alone :D There should be a reason because we want to live the US [09:06] yes, its called "the media" [09:06] ...selling dreams [09:06] rogersman, no it's not... [09:07] im not US bashing at all, but theres nothing over there that you cant in Europe... [09:07] we just like it... If you come here in Italy and ask somebody if they prefer Italy or US they'll answer U.S. [09:07] i used to talk to a sicilian girl that said the same thing. she left because italy had no opportunity [09:07] except maybe 24hour pharmacies [09:07] haldir, I will for the same reason too [09:08] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-198-13.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:08] rogersman, Italy != Europe [09:09] metrofox: interesting...please expand what u mean [09:09] rogersman, you can't buy Rule_of_Rose in the uk [09:09] cos on many levels that a load of bollocks [09:09] talking about Europe is too generic, if you come here in Palermo and you go to French for example in Marsille or somewhere else [09:09] we can still criticize our government more than most European countries. a belgian friend told me how they outlawed an entire political party, that couldnt happen here [09:10] can't purchase Thrill Kill in the UK [09:10] you'll se that here there are people that only speak sicilian, they don't know speaking Italian, they don't know writing... and I'm talking about 15% [09:10] yes, but the point is, as an Italian, any country in Europe is yours to live in; no visas, no hassle...its an amazing place to live [09:11] rogersman, it's an amazing place to visit, not to live [09:11] can't own a firearm in the uk unless under strict rules [09:11] try travelling a bit first before jumping to such conclusions [09:11] mrselfpwn: and that's a bad thing because...? [09:11] haha [09:12] guess you won't ever know [09:12] rogersman, I went to France, I went to Spain and it's all different, it seemed to be in another world... [09:12] firearms ownership is important to some of us [09:12] so is cocaine banned in the uk rogersman ? [09:12] um ,yeah.... [09:12] so no one in the UK has cocaine? [09:12] or does it? [09:13] rogersman, trust me ;) If you want come here visiting Palermo in particular [09:13] when you choose the right to bear arms over the welfare of the people...theres something seriously wrong [09:13] my point is that some regulations only inhibit honest people. [09:13] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [09:13] "locks are only used to keep honest people honest" [09:14] right [09:15] 1994 - Scout troop leader walks into Dunblane primary school and shoots more than a dozen children dead, then commits suicide....12 months later, a huge change in gun law in invoked, restricting use and access....almost 15 years later, no such horriffic school shooting has happened since..... can u say the same? [09:15] zErOaCid (i=gnu@71.94.1.213) joined ##slackware. [09:16] I can say that you are at the mercy of your government. [09:16] rogersman, are you talking to me? Has that happened in the US? [09:16] rogersman: wow.. what a moronig and logic-free argument [09:16] *moronic [09:17] Action: haldir notes the gun ban in australia has led to an increase in gun violence. i believe i read the same thing about the UK [09:17] i know what you mean mrselfpwn...it is YOUR life and if you want a gun why not? but try to weigh the disadvantages of loose gun control against the advantages... [09:17] Zordrak: that "argument" is simply a fact [09:17] rogersman, I'd buy a gun for myself [09:17] the handgun ban in the UK has simply made no difference [09:17] it was rising before and is still rising [09:18] Zordrak: now THAT is naive [09:18] outlaw guns and the outlaws are the only ones with guns [09:18] the only thing the UK gun ban has done has made shooting harder for enthusiast and sporting competitors [09:18] and why are guns any different from swords and knives? [09:18] rogersman, if somebody entries at home with a gun or a knife I can protect myself using the gun if he shoots to me or somebody else [09:18] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:19] hmm Washington DC banned guns. [09:20] metrofox: if you were the robber, are you more or less likely to shoot the resident if they themselves have a gun? [09:20] they banned transfats in NYC not long after the Columbine shootings. There have been no school shooting of that size since, therefor transfats in NYC must have caused it [09:20] highest murder in the us is in DC [09:20] rogersman, no I less likely to shoot them.. [09:21] per capita [09:21] I wouldn't even shot or steal [09:21] *shoot [09:21] why do all of you want a gun in the first place? [09:22] /facepalm [09:22] they are great fun to shoot, self defense, i use them for hunting [09:22] rogersman, while I don't think anyone should own a gun I also don't think people should be kept from owning them [09:22] okay, apart from hunting..ill give you that [09:23] rogersman, my distant cousin, i would love to take you to the gun range and let you shoot my M14 and AR15, you would really enjoy yourself [09:24] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [09:24] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:25] haldir, great! I dickey at the polygon [09:25] yes, growing up in the country... i went shooting with my father for duck.....but look at the damage that can be done with loose gun laws....is it *really* worth it? [09:26] rogersman: are you done being a whiney douchebag? [09:26] but that is the point of disagreement. criminals surprisingly don [09:26] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:27] don't respect the gun laws [09:27] metrofox, ??? I dickey at the polygon??? [09:27] tell u what Zordrak, have a family member killed by some asshole who got a .45 in a pawn-shop and we can talk [09:28] haldir, I shoot at the range... I don't know how you call it :( [09:28] that place where people can shoot [09:28] legally [09:28] how many people killed by drunk drivers, ban alcohol. [09:28] a shooting range? [09:28] no.. I'll tell YOU what.. you stop preaching whiny liberal crap based on opinon formed through no actual subject matter knowledge.. and WE'll go back to talking about slackware [09:28] metrofox, okay, i understand now what do you shoot? [09:29] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [09:29] I think Ted Nugent says it best; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCHtw6WbbnM [09:30] haldir, I shoot a target [09:30] having scrolled the last half-hour's conversation, u started it haldir! :-) [09:30] haldir, how do you call it this place? =) [09:30] shooting range? [09:31] metrofox, shooting range is fine. so you shoot paper targets? or clay pigeons (discs that fly in the air) [09:31] Action: Camarade_Tux shoots at people in supermarkets, they're moving it's funnier [09:31] haldir, paper targets [09:31] metrofox, what kind of rifle [09:31] I can't shoot clay pigeons yet... [09:31] rogersman, i try to remain civil though :-) [09:31] haldir, it was a gun they gave me [09:32] a beretta maybe [09:32] Zordrak: btw, "you stop preaching whiny liberal crap", sorry but that's worth nothing (either) [ full quote: "you stop preaching whiny liberal crap based on opinon formed through no actual subject matter knowledge" ] [09:33] Camarade_Tux: huh? [09:33] metrofox, my wife wants to get a Beretta pistol. She thinks this one is pretty [09:35] haldir, they're pretty... lightweight, precise but if your wife ask it I should get worry :D [09:35] haldir: don't forget the pink ribbon [09:35] http://www.berettaweb.com/BERETTA_PX4_Storm_SubCompact/Beretta_PX4_SubCompact.htm [09:36] metrofox, i understand that... she has an irish temper [09:36] toastytoast1 (n=toast@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [09:36] Camarade_Tux, pink... heh [09:36] Slackware 12.1 rdesktop package. I'm having problems getting the mousewheel to work when connecting to Windows XP. It works when I connect to the machine from Windows, but not from Slackware 12.1 using the rdesktop 1.6 package. [09:36] haldir, you're lucky :D [09:37] Any and all suggestions are welcome. :o) [09:37] rogersman: yeah, uh.. i dont care. You *still* dont PM people without permission [09:37] haldir, that's a nice gun, also small ;) [09:37] oh yeah, this is #slackware ...totally forgot :-p [09:37] toastytoast1 (n=toast@208.233.36.250) left irc: Client Quit [09:37] aigon (n=ojof@92.82.68.152) joined ##slackware. [09:38] rogersman, ehe... We're a little off topic [09:38] :D [09:39] aaaaanyway, mouse scrolling? windows? wot? [09:39] osiro (n=osiro@189.111.254.251) joined ##slackware. [09:39] osiro (n=osiro@189.111.254.251) left ##slackware. [09:40] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-gjrnqmnrxnrspbos) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:40] packeteer (n=zed@150.101.122.57) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [09:41] Action: rogersman contently watches the tumbleweed rolling by........ [09:41] Yes, the mousewheel appears to be missing in action when using the Slackware 12.1 rdesktop program. [09:41] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-nyyqgujcgvmiwruh) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Which book or site is the best to learn perl from? [09:42] where's dbus hidden in the slackware installer? [09:42] Zordrak: what do you mean..by not "pm"ing ppl without permission [09:42] aigon: http://perl.org [09:42] a, weird [09:42] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:42] /msg people [09:42] oh, my eyes, true they suck [09:42] Zordrak, thanks [09:44] aigon (n=ojof@92.82.68.152) left irc: "Leaving" [09:44] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:45] Arno[Slack] (i=100@81.57.177.108) joined ##slackware. [09:46] kowa (i=kowalczy@237-160.neasonline.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:47] Kowalczyk (i=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:53] v4nelle (n=van@adsl163-68.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[10:16] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-135-117.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:17] Little late though as to our discussion earlier here is a fine quote: [10:17] * Menu [10:17] o correct [10:17] o [10:17] Channel flood from mrselfpwn -- kicking [10:17] o [10:17] mrselfpwn kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [10:18] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-nvsyineaefntpgcb) joined ##slackware. [10:18] Oo [10:18] jg71 (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Excess Flood [10:18] jg71 (n=edud@76.74.129.199) joined ##slackware. [10:18] * Menu [10:18] o correct [10:18] o [10:18] Channel flood from mrselfpwn -- kicking [10:18] o [10:18] mrselfpwn kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [10:18] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-nvsyineaefntpgcb) joined ##slackware. [10:18] why does it do that? [10:19] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-189-89.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [10:19] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-nvsyineaefntpgcb) left ##slackware. [10:19] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-nvsyineaefntpgcb) joined ##slackware. [10:19] cybErpunk (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:20] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-176-085.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:20] They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. [10:20] cybErpunk (i=davi@189.4.69.108) joined ##slackware. [10:20] Benjamin Franklin [10:20] makerc (n=makerc@189-18-200-154.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:21] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:21] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [10:22] Desiderius (n=DC@195.221.162.126) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829]" [10:22] for some definition of essential liberty [10:22] heh [10:22] s/essential liberty/"essential liberty"/ [10:22] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [10:23] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [10:23] Oh, one sec. let me correct Mr. Franklin [10:29] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@71.203.84.103) joined ##slackware. [10:29] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@71.203.84.103) left irc: Client Quit [10:30] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:30] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:30] took me a long time to get your point, and not at all, I'm only raising an obvious question [10:30] the right to bear weapons to defend oneself (I hope that's properly worded) does not exist in most constitutions and has been added afterwards to the american one, it probably isn't that "essential" actually [10:31] (although the last part of my sentence is very very badly worded) [10:31] slackytude (n=slacky@141.100.75.11) joined ##slackware. [10:31] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [10:31] yo dive, yo slackytude :) [10:32] ienh (n=ienh@ARennes-257-1-117-190.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "leaving" [10:32] y0 y0 [10:32] y0 [10:33] y0 y0 y0 [10:33] y0 y0 y0 y0 [10:34] for i = 0 to 4; do print_string "yo "; done; print_newline ();; [10:34] crap, fail, s/yo/y0/ =/ [10:34] moh2a (n=mohaa@188.115.67.125) joined ##slackware. [10:34] clijunkie (i=1000@67.223.226.64) joined ##slackware. [10:35] bah, I can't figure out why my dbus-glib bindings don't work =/ [10:35] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-trorcjeclshhowdr) joined ##slackware. [10:35] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:35] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [10:35] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:37] Anyone know of a good channel on Freenode to discuss cars? :) [10:38] did you try /joni ##cars ? [10:38] Reaver2 (n=AFLI@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [10:38] sorry - /join :) [10:38] lol [10:39] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-48-93.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:39] Nick_Patterson: /msg alis help list [10:39] alisonken1home: :-| I thought that was too obvious, but there are people in ##cars :) [10:39] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:39] Dominian: Thanks. :) [10:40] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [10:40] no problem [10:40] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [10:41] john_dee (n=id@93-81-138-69.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [10:43] _bruno (n=bruno@189-68-128-184.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:43] _bruno (n=bruno@189-68-128-184.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:45] Ekc_ (n=Ekc@weirdbox.ddns.playtime.bg) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:47] jhw (n=jhw@195.180.9.202) left irc: "leaving" [10:49] Ekc_ (n=Ekc@87.121.52.9) joined ##slackware. [10:50] everyone chilled now? [10:52] just out of curiosity, what happens if you edit sudoers file from another appliation, like kwrite? [10:52] doesn't matter [10:52] EDITOR="kwrite" visudo probably will work [10:53] oh. the man page was quite explicit about using visudo...just wondering... [10:53] ew [10:53] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [10:53] EDITOR="nano" ftw [10:53] hehe [10:53] only for noobs ;) [10:53] msword.exe %o /etc/sudoers [10:53] hehe [10:54] nano rulez! [10:54] I can use vi/vim when I need to ;) [10:54] i've always got the vi cheat sheet close by in case of disaster [10:56] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.12.49.9) joined ##slackware. [10:56] The noobs will unite and beat you up, thrice` . Not scared? [10:57] haha, I use nano most of the time too [10:57] just trying to start a war :( [10:57] Haha [10:57] av1 (n=avinash@59.96.201.109) joined ##slackware. [10:57] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.78.156) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:57] av1 (n=avinash@59.96.201.109) left ##slackware. [10:57] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:58] vim :) [10:58] firedix (n=firedix@host230.190-231-144.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [10:58] visudo performs a check after you're done editing, that's it [10:59] thrice`: - im done with war for today :-p [10:59] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [10:59] ^^ [11:00] nano is just a cheap immitation of pico :) [11:01] on an unrelated topic, i though last nights episode of heroes was sweet :-) [11:01] nano is a properly licensed imitation of pico [11:01] only vim has the features to make typing easier, others require out to type everything [11:01] pico is apache licensed now :P [11:02] moh2a (n=mohaa@188.115.67.125) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [11:02] sahko: took it long enough [11:05] eviljames: how's flu going in canada? =) [11:05] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:07] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.67.125) joined ##slackware. [11:09] oh no, I think kongregate.com works again on linux now... [11:10] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [11:10] Roland- (i=adm@dyn-89.136.49.227.cj.upcnet.ro) joined ##slackware. [11:10] ienh (n=ienh@ARennes-353-1-72-221.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:10] hey, is there a way to hack/modify linux uptime? supress like 50 days? [11:11] my screen keep going into standby after 5 mins...ive turned off all power management features, screensavers, twiddled with rc.M, BIOS, all to no avail...does any of you smart guys have any ideas? can i trace what calling the standby? [11:11] Roland-: reboot? [11:11] hmmm, doesn't work completely, I'm saved [11:11] pprkut: :) [11:11] no, I mean to add 50days [11:12] charitwo (n=charitwo@wikia/Charitwo) joined ##slackware. [11:12] charitwo (n=charitwo@wikia/Charitwo) left ##slackware. [11:12] change the date? [11:14] hmz [11:14] just like that? I doubt that is the issue [11:14] maybe with hwclock? [11:15] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:15] I must admit to not giving your issue my full attention...mostly because I cant think of a reason *why* you would want to do that..... ;-) [11:19] I doubt there's any way to do it other than to modify the kernel or uptime :-) [11:19] Roland-: http://www.etheus.net/UptimeFaker [11:20] rogersman that works with 2.4 kernels... [11:20] Doesn't "pico" mean dick in Spanish? :P [11:20] jesus dude, wot u want from me? [11:20] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-nyyqgujcgvmiwruh) left irc: [11:21] use the word "what" [11:21] That's all I want. [11:21] i found it by googling "modify uptime" - feel free to browse through the other results [11:24] rogersman: I think there's a setting in xorg.conf that, if specified, prevents your monitor from going to sleep. [11:25] So, needless to say no one wants nano pico. [11:25] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.68.185) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:25] Roland- (i=adm@dyn-89.136.49.227.cj.upcnet.ro) left irc: [11:25] hexorcist (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:27] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.91.2) left irc: "Leaving" [11:27] okay Nick_Patterson .. ill investigate...it's totally nippy when ur watching a movie as u might imagine [11:27] fyi dick is polla in spanish [11:28] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@209.121.157.169) joined ##slackware. [11:28] Oh :O [11:30] The wiser in here would know more, but I think the setting is DPMS. [11:30] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [11:34] ah well, until I get it sorted, ill dangle my mouse in the wind... [11:34] xorg.conf can have screen off settings [11:34] you tried looking in that? [11:34] dpms, screensaver [11:35] is there not some method to find out which protocol or whatever is being invoked? such knowledge would be useful in other situations also... [11:35] rogersman: xset s off -dpms [11:35] i think [11:36] slackytude (n=slacky@141.100.75.11) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:38] ok thanks guys...ill persevere [11:38] Canaman (n=danielm@200.19.177.1) joined ##slackware. [11:39] "xset q" will show the current settings too [11:41] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:42] Canaman (n=danielm@200.19.177.1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:42] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:43] Camarade_Tux: Updated a couple of things in the package management section concerning lzma and added a reference link [11:44] (wikipedia slackware page) [11:46] How should I do to disable or redefine ctrl-alt-delete X keys ? [11:46] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.tea.bg) joined ##slackware. [11:47] EasyTUX, try the search terms "xorg.conf dontzap" [11:47] humm [11:47] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [11:48] or maybe it is zap [11:48] Matt (n=matt@spoon.pkl.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] dontzap is right [11:50] but i think xorg dropped that a while ago [11:50] wollw (n=wollw4@75-101-22-68.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:50] but that's for ctrl-alt-backspace, i thought. [11:51] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [11:51] oh yea, my bad [11:51] wollw (n=wollw4@75-101-22-68.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [11:51] to remove ctrl-alt-del reboot you can change /etc/inittab [11:51] Yes : ctrl-alt-backspace in X sorry. [11:52] Got it ! [11:52] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:53] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-128-219.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:01] opopopo (n=mohaa@188.115.78.120) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [12:01] adamk__ (n=adamk@c-68-45-151-98.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:03] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.tea.bg) left irc: "Leaving" [12:03] I want add proftp daemon in startup. In Arch Linux I can do it by editing /etc/rc.conf. So what is equivalent of that file in Slackware? [12:04] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:04] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [12:04] m20sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [12:04] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [12:04] Action: EasyTUX Option "DontZap" [12:04] I found so muck rc.*, so I have no idea in what file I should add proftpd and any daemons %) [12:05] Arcfox: add it in /etc/rc.d/rc.local [12:05] Sould I create it by myself? [12:06] I suppose.. all you need to add is 'proftpd' to the end of the file [12:06] alisonken1home: It wasn't a link per se.. just personal input from fred [12:07] ok, I see [12:07] Thank you very much for help =) [12:08] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [12:09] Arcfox (n=Arcfox@broadband-77-37-166-67.nationalcablenetworks.ru) left ##slackware. [12:10] _MaggoT_ (n=Newbie@125.161.207.246) joined ##slackware. [12:10] you know what, I hate it when people touch my laptop screen [12:11] me too [12:11] I'm going to put a lable maker label on the screen frame "Do not touch my screen" [12:12] aigon (n=ojof@92.84.3.254) joined ##slackware. [12:12] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [12:14] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:15] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [12:15] antiwire: I prefer to use the famous line from Babylon5 ..."you're touching my equipment. Is there a reason for this, or to save time should I just snap your hand off at the wrist?" [12:15] hahah [12:16] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:16] clijunkie (i=1000@67.223.226.64) left ##slackware. [12:18] Got Slackware 64 on my Mac Pro now. I'm very excited. /proc/cpuinfo has 16 "processors", 72,336 bogomips -- lol [12:18] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-189-89.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:19] aigon (n=ojof@92.84.3.254) left irc: "Leaving" [12:19] heh [12:20] Still 12.2 here. I figure why mess with a good thing? :P [12:20] uh [12:20] spook: you run bitlbee, right? [12:21] esoteric: yup [12:21] does your bootup framebuffer show 16 penguins? [12:21] Dominian: thanks - I was updating the wikipedia slackware page and thought I'd update the slamd64 entry on the slackware-based entry for slamd64 while I was there [12:21] it will show one penguin and x16 [12:21] thrice`: no :( -- 6 is all that will fit on my monitor [12:21] alisonken1home: ahh [12:21] lol [12:22] spook: do you use public gateways or do you have your own? [12:22] If you want to check my changes, look at the dependency and package management section [12:23] esoteric: my own. same box my screen session and webserver is on, a slack 12.1 box [12:24] spook: nice. for some reason I don't like the idea of having my login/pass on an intermediary public gateway. [12:24] esoteric: :) [12:26] aigon (n=ojof@92.84.3.254) joined ##slackware. [12:27] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:30] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-128-219.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:30] weeee! [12:30] aigon (n=ojof@92.84.3.254) left irc: Client Quit [12:31] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:32] damn ghost is pissing me off >.<; [12:33] ? [12:33] norton ghost is being a spoiled little bitch [12:33] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:33] why use norton ghost? [12:33] dd is much better [12:34] didn't acronis school them anyways? [12:34] dd is not better when you don't need a forensic level backup that takes up as much space as the copied volume [12:35] dd doesn't resize partitions automatically (drive geometry mismatches) [12:35] parted :P [12:35] that's not even the point [12:35] when you have a school with ~1200 machines in it, that's retarded spook [12:35] my point is, i prefer foss [12:36] Necos: ah okay [12:36] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "..." [12:36] the point is that dd images will burn more space than you might need. use dd for forensic/bit for bit backups. use ghost for deployment images [12:36] antiwire, exactly :P [12:37] are you netbooting ghost? [12:37] http://clonezilla.org/ [12:37] clonezilla is great [12:37] clonezilla just doesn't do what i need it to, i've looked in to it [12:38] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:38] the "ghost walker" equivalent for fclonezilla sucks ass [12:39] SID changing in a windows server environment is critical [12:39] have you considered partimage? not sure what its ntfs support is like [12:40] nah, i've been using ghost for years... the education pricing has been very aggressive (and since my boss chose it, i use it) [12:41] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [12:41] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:43] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62.47.145.27) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [12:45] all the other deployment utilities are great... they're just missing the renaming/SID-changing component... [12:46] i was really interested in FOG, but it requires you to setup an entire server... not very practical if you need to walk around campus with a laptop to image boxen [12:46] what about WDS? [12:46] WDS? [12:47] windows deployment services [12:47] oh that crap? [12:47] Necos: and what's wrong with setting up your laptop as a server? [12:47] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:48] plenty... as in, if i'm not here and we need to setup another laptop for it, my coworkers won't know how [12:49] ghost is by far the simplest deployment system to replicate [12:49] dang coworkers gumming up the works :) [12:49] copy ghostcast.exe to your laptop with the image files and run [12:49] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [12:50] ghostsrv.exe, rather >.> [12:51] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62.47.137.58) joined ##slackware. [12:51] yeah, i remember reading about WDS... again, a solution microsoft provided that is so retarded that only an all-windows admin would dare to use it [12:52] kowa (i=kowalczy@237-160.neasonline.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:52] not to mention that it requires so much external configuration to be anywhere near useful [12:52] kowa (i=kowalczy@237-160.neasonline.no) joined ##slackware. [12:53] AND it only runs in win2k8 [12:53] good afternoon everyone [12:53] since we're using win2k3, yeah, that isn't gonna work to well [12:53] :P [12:54] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [12:55] did win2003 get the tcp/ip stack re-done or is it like win2k and winxp (sorry folks, yes its a critical vuln but we're too busy @ redmond) [12:56] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:57] it might have been fixed in R2, but not sure [12:59] AbsTradE1ic (n=vldmr@187.64.33.238) joined ##slackware. [12:59] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:00] ah yes, seems win2k3 did get patched, but the patch does not remove the vuln, merely makes surviving an attack more tolerable :/ [13:00] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:00] if you're on win2k or winxp you don't even get that! [13:00] lol [13:01] yeah, gotta love MS [13:01] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:02] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [13:03] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-48-93.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:03] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [13:04] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [13:04] _bruno (n=bruno@189-68-128-184.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:04] there was some flutter on some lists about a 3rd party winxp patch [13:04] _bruno (n=bruno@189-68-128-184.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:04] just the fact that's being discussed speaks poorly of MS [13:05] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-trorcjeclshhowdr) got netsplit. [13:06] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@187.37.55.47) joined ##slackware. [13:06] well, consider the alternative... [13:07] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-wqtqauiftdndsmms) joined ##slackware. [13:08] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [13:08] dexom (n=frb@p5B0EC8DD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:09] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-176-085.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:09] deco (n=deco@69.108.88.254) joined ##slackware. [13:12] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. 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[13:24] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [13:27] elench_ (n=insula@b4mad.info) joined ##slackware. [13:27] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.12.49.9) left irc: "just to eat" [13:28] hi everybody [13:28] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Connection reset by peer [13:28] Hello [13:30] I installed openoffice x86-64 from slackbuilds, but when run this show me next error: http://pastebin.com/m59b5f4f9 [13:31] gades: download the package from here http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/13.0/i486/ [13:31] gades, what does "file /opt/openoffice.org3/program/soffice.bin" say ? [13:31] hey deco =) [13:31] gades: oops you 64bit http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/13.0/x86_64/ [13:31] ciao metrofox :) [13:31] knnk (n=ngworeka@cpe-70-112-203-34.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:31] deco, come va? [13:32] metrofox: ok, just gonna read some more and you ? [13:32] ok deco [13:32] deco, I just woke up I should read something too, like some news =) [13:33] metrofox: metrofox hehe yeah [13:33] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824085743]" [13:33] oh double nick :o [13:33] deco, :P [13:33] ipfreely (n=takamata@cpe-66-27-111-216.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:34] double-o-metrofox [13:35] that's wrong on so many levels >.> [13:35] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-78-208.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:36] ...... [13:38] since, in LA, we have the term "metrosexual", it sounds like he's a secret metrosexual lol [13:38] ..... [13:38] ... [13:38] .. [13:39] :P [13:40] . [13:40] urbandictionary should have the definition [13:41] _bruno_ (n=bruno@189-68-128-184.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:41] ..... [13:41] 219:32 -!- paul424 [i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824085743]"] [13:41] o lol. [13:41] a dude who uses more than 2 hair products [13:41] chuck norris uses 10 billions [13:41] but chuck norris can kill you with a speck of dirt [13:42] Necos, chuck norris can do enything he wants [13:42] 20YEAROLDGIRL.ds.uni.wroc.pl [13:42] my point exactly [13:42] winter: that's what it means in polish ? [13:42] yes [13:42] lol [13:43] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.91.221) joined ##slackware. [13:43] wow... [13:43] maybe he stole some 20yearoldgirl's laptop >.> [13:43] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:43] lol [13:44] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-nvsyineaefntpgcb) left irc: "leaving" [13:44] Nick change: yesyes -> Guest65852 [13:44] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-wngfcmbwnsdycclk) joined ##slackware. [13:45] actually, that's a bit scarier... he's probably looking at all her porn [13:45] ..... [13:45] Nick change: Guest65852 -> yesyes [13:45] _bruno__ (n=bruno@189-68-128-184.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:46] lol [13:47] _bruno (n=bruno@189-68-128-184.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:47] kowa (i=kowalczy@237-160.neasonline.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:47] kowa (i=kowalczy@237-160.neasonline.no) joined ##slackware. [13:48] this porn is driving all you crazy [13:48] Kowalczyk (i=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:48] ok, I admit, all us crazy, happy now? [13:49] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:49] no, not really [13:50] what does <3 mean? [13:50] love [13:50] fredoslack (n=fredosla@86.210.232.187) joined ##slackware. [13:50] ahh, is this a heart( <3 )? [13:51] yep [13:51] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [13:51] it also looks like a cone penis [13:51] ..... [13:51] rofl [13:51] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Client Quit [13:51] metrofox, please refer to the comment i made about metrosexuals earlier :P [13:52] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [13:52] hello [13:52] Kowalczyk (i=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.no) joined ##slackware. [13:52] fredoslack: salut [13:52] hi, deco [13:52] heya fredoslack [13:52] hi , Necos [13:53] Necos, I'm not metrosexual -.- [13:53] hi everyone :) [13:53] hey fredoslack & gar0t0 [13:53] HI, metriccwrench [13:53] metrofox, * [13:53] well it's dinner time... see ya later ;) [13:53] see ya [13:56] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [13:57] Nick change: elfuser -> Dark_archer [13:57] Nick change: Dark_archer -> elfuser [13:58] z3r0_k00l75 (n=chris@pool-96-249-84-15.chrlwv.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:58] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [13:58] the person who claims to not be metro is the one seeing penis' in ascii emoticons [13:58] ... [13:58] nuff said [13:59] ipfreely (n=takamata@cpe-66-27-111-216.san.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:59] Nick change: elfuser -> g4br13l [14:02] captswall (n=kissinge@c-67-167-184-242.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:03] _bruno_ (n=bruno@189-68-128-184.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:04] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:04] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:05] cpunches (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:05] Nick change: cpunches -> dartmouth [14:08] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[14:14] hey godling [14:14] dartmouth: slashdot tagged your post...DO MY WORK FOR ME [14:15] Necos: Have a time frame about when the fun was? :P [14:15] antiwire: that's the spirit! I live by that motto. [14:16] we were making fun of metrofox [14:16] antiwire: anyway, you're looking at it all wrong. gathering input from the community is not having them do your research for you-- it's seeing if anyone's got some creative idea you wouldn't have come up with. [14:16] Necos: dang it, that would have been fun. :P [14:16] hey fire|bird [14:16] heya thrice` [14:17] hey thrice`, how are you? [14:17] dartmouth, but that means that you present your "already done" research [14:17] and you haven't :) [14:18] Nick change: g4br13l -> elfuser [14:18] so it is "doing your work for you" [14:18] fire|bird, good, you? [14:18] plus when it comes to mobo/proc combos it's like russian roulette-- I'm still seeing 1.6 ghz AMD procs on the market being presented as 'fast' [14:18] thrice`: great, thanks. I am impressed by Fedora 12 Beta. I installed it last night and messed around with it. Presto is enabled now and all rpms are xz compressed, so updates went really fast. [14:18] lzma is quite a boon for package managers [14:18] antiwire: Do you have a battery icon in the sys tray in xfce, mine has seemingly disappeared. :/ [14:19] Necos: It made a huge difference with updates. [14:19] I have it [14:19] Necos: sorry but you haven't presented that you attended kindergarten through your senior year in college (yet) so I have to not take your advice. :P (/joke) [14:19] Hmm, I wonder what happened to mine. [14:19] dartmouth, i'll fax you my diploma :P [14:19] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.177) joined ##slackware. [14:19] fire|bird, nice, stable so far? [14:19] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [14:19] I can add the Brightness plugin to the panel, but no battery monitor, even though I enabled the icon in power manager. [14:20] thrice`: yeah, very much so. I like it. [14:20] thrice`: I can't believe the nodoka theme wasn't installed. :P [14:20] dexom (n=frb@p5B0EC8DD.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [14:22] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62.47.137.58) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [14:22] fire|bird, yes! just the gnome theme. I noticed that too [14:22] j0z (n=JESUS@187.58.234.93) joined ##slackware. [14:22] Necos: yes but techinically you did not specify, and i already said you didn't, and its irc, so now technically we can't give constructive input :P [14:22] I was surprised to boot the live cd and see clearlooks. :P [14:23] i think im kind of going for something somewhere in between a home entertainment system and a linux geek lair. [14:23] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [14:23] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [14:28] DeviceKit-power <-- what's that? :O [14:28] Ubuntu 9.10 Beta's underlying technology for power management, laptop hotkeys, and handling of storage devices and cameras maps has moved from "hal" (which is in the process of being deprecated) to "DeviceKit-power", "DeviceKit-disks" and "udev" [14:29] z3r0_k00l75 (n=chris@pool-96-249-84-15.chrlwv.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:29] is "hal" already old? O.O [14:29] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [14:30] metrofox: what does the word deprecated mean to you? [14:30] ferdna (n=ferdna@24.92.112.49) joined ##slackware. [14:30] ;P [14:30] godling, obsolete :P [14:31] godling, is hal deprecated? [14:31] Well, beings it says it's in the process of being deprecated, I'd say yes. :P [14:31] metrofox: What do you think? [14:32] godling, about what? [14:32] That sentence says it pretty clear. ;) [14:32] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62.47.137.58) joined ##slackware. [14:32] metrofox: Are you high? [14:32] godling: no, he's just 14. :P [14:33] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-78-208.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:33] metrofox: Do you suppose that I might be asking about the subject that we were discussing? [14:33] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [14:33] fire|bird, the 8th january I'll get older :D [14:33] he's metro, not high but close enough [14:33] hahaha [14:33] Just being 14 is not an excuse. :P [14:33] :D [14:34] Well, apparently I'm missing a package or something, the brightness plugin doesn't even work. :P [14:36] fire|bird: This sentence is a placeholder for a joke about your brightness plugin not working. [14:36] lol [14:36] So, beings there's a placeholder, there must be something going to be there in the future. [14:36] Currently I am not functioning at full capacity. [14:38] godling: Wow, I'd have never guessed. :P [14:38] antiwire: is Damien Hobgood big news? [14:39] he's a pro surfer [14:40] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.158.227.14.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:40] I was just wondering why I saw headlines featuring a name that sounds like something you'd hear in a Harry Potter film. [14:41] antiwire: http://www.xarj.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/damien-hobgood-surf.jpg [14:41] This guy is insane. [14:42] stickyboy (n=hugo@196.202.207.158) joined ##slackware. [14:42] this is me http://www.masseyeimages.com/#/gallery/insideoh-emmawood-10-17-all-shots/emma10171369/ [14:42] and the next few too, the sequence [14:42] All of them? [14:42] anyone here use netbsd ? [14:43] oh, javascript [14:43] Is that you, Eric Massey? [14:43] 10171369-10171375 [14:43] Well, I guess it couldn't be if he were taking the pictures. :P [14:43] Haha, masseye... I live in Kenya with the Maasai tribe. [14:43] ...... [14:45] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [14:45] antiwire: How long have you been walking around with a big white line through your head? [14:45] Oh, it's "massey" [14:45] so i should dl the whole gallery then [14:46] just 10171369-10171375 [14:46] 10171369 is my favorite [14:46] jesu (n=jesu@120.Red-88-1-236.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [14:46] You're making me miss California. [14:46] jesu (n=jesu@120.Red-88-1-236.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:46] Are you sure *368 isn't you and you just don't want us to know it? [14:46] :P [14:46] stickyboy: miss it boy, miss it. [14:47] godling: pretty sure it's not me [14:47] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:47] I didn't go left very much that day [14:47] stickyboy: Why are you living with the Maasai? [14:47] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:47] jesu (n=jesu@120.Red-88-1-236.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [14:47] jesu (n=jesu@120.Red-88-1-236.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:47] Miroku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:47] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:48] jesu lol :D [14:48] stickyboy: Did you get tired of running water? [14:48] DidierSpaier (n=didier@inv75-1-81-57-28-169.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:48] 10171399- 10171400 are also me [14:48] haha, I was volunteering in Kenya for two years, and now I work as a sysadmin for an NGO. [14:49] cool. [14:49] I mean 10171389-10171400 [14:49] I was a hair away from training to do GIS work in Africa. [14:50] did you climb kilimanjaro? [14:50] godling: Are you working where you live now? [14:50] mancha: I walked around it and hung out with some old dudes drinking fermented banana beer. [14:51] :) [14:52] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [14:53] anyway to stickbit a directory where the files created in it would be 777? [14:53] xhhj (n=opera@89.47.96.99) joined ##slackware. [14:53] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:53] conquering kilimanjaro while drunk on banana beer, now that would have been a story for the grandkids [14:53] 1777 [14:54] wrong extension [14:54] didnt work [14:54] drwxrwxrwt 3 david users 52K 2009-10-21 14:53 csv/ [14:54] new file is [14:54] -rw------- 1 david users 8.3K 2009-10-21 14:53 DNLD7594.csv [14:54] not 777 [14:54] see the "t" thats the sticky bit [14:54] How do I get my ATI Radeon 5870 to do video playback of Bluerays. [14:54] ya.. i see it.. but its not working [14:54] stickyboy: nope :/ [14:54] stickyboy: I'm living off student loans. [14:55] use setfacl? [14:55] ph|ber i think "it" is not working because of what you think "it" shoudl be [14:55] my parents are paying my tuition and room and board. [14:55] i have the sticky set.. and when a file is created it is not 777 [14:55] look into umask to change default perms on creation [14:55] I goto school at Michigan Tech, major in Electrical and Engineering, minor in math and Computer Science. [14:55] im on umask 0 [14:56] sticky bit makes files only delete-able by owner or root [14:56] captswall: Electrical and Engineering? [14:56] i need every file created to be 777 [14:56] yepperz, also called EE. [14:56] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] i told you what too google (or man) for [14:56] then you're doing it wrong... the sticky bit doesnt do that [14:56] or readable by all [14:56] what does? [14:56] turlando (n=turlando@host220-100-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:57] mancha told you [14:57] umask [14:57] godling: Damn, that sucks. You should look into VSO Canada. It's like the Peace Corps but they pay better and there's less US government bullshit. [14:57] hello everyone [14:57] i have umask 0.. which should make everything 777 [14:57] captswall: I've never heard the major referred to as that. doesn't seem to make sense. maybe it is electrical and electronic engineering? [14:57] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [14:57] or just electrical engineering [14:57] $ umask [14:57] 0000 [14:57] read the manpage :P [14:57] umask 1337 [14:57] 'cause i don't think you're doing what you think you're doing [14:57] Electrical and Engineering is 1 field of study, but it spends part of designing electrical circuits and writing software/drivers to work between the devices. [14:58] Michigan Tech, Purdue University, and MIT are best schools in the USA for that degree. [14:58] define "best" [14:58] I went to mich. tech :) [14:59] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Connection reset by peer [14:59] Really THirce kewl [14:59] godling: http://thefro.org/gallery2/v/2008/tanzania/ [14:59] and now you're hanging out in IRC [14:59] umask masks the default perms that the program doing the file creation uses [14:59] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [14:59] So you know how winters at Michigan Tech can be [14:59] I love it up here [14:59] yep, lived through 4 of them :) [14:59] 'causelol thrice` [14:59] stickyboy: less US government bs because they're Canadian? [15:00] on my 2nd right now. [15:00] 300 in. of snow my freshman year ;) [15:00] it doesn't magically make things 777 and the sticky bit it totally off, so you need to do a little homework, grasshopper [15:00] turlando (n=turlando@host220-100-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware ("Sto andando via"). [15:00] captswall, where are you living? [15:00] 'cause "best" usually only applies to research opportunities [15:01] I am living off campus in with some friends 3 blocks from campus, still short walk. [15:01] i do umask 0 [15:01] then when i create a file.. its not the right permissions [15:01] So what was your study at Michigan Tech Thrice? [15:01] godling: Well, VSO is an international Non-Government Organization (Peace Corps is US... only... evar), but you end up realizing it's all the same. [15:02] who funds vso? [15:02] a umask 0.. should give the files, rw-rw-rw [15:02] we do? [15:02] but its not. [15:02] this is on a nfs mount btw. [15:02] hah [15:02] captswall, mechanical engineering. I actually just graduated only 2 years ago, which is why I ask :) [15:02] my car is almost useless in the winter when there is lots of snow I drive a 2005 VW Beatle. [15:02] all bets are off... [15:02] stickyboy: well, if I stay around here after I graduate I'll likely end up working as a babykiller for Boeing or Raytheon, or maybe even a snoop at the NSA. So I'd rather do something a little less evil. :P [15:03] you have to have the nfs mounted with umask=0 [15:03] it's best to let out the details of your problem in dribble fashion.... [15:03] But I love my bug =p [15:03] stickyboy: thanks for the idea, I will check it out [15:03] godling: Are you racist? [15:03] now that's a question to ask someone :P [15:03] hahaa [15:04] i hate racists [15:04] i'm the rapist [15:04] Well just get the hell outta the US for a while and eat some crazy food and stuff. [15:04] ok.. so whats the sticky to have the files owned and grouped by a different user. [15:04] >.> [15:04] og+s [15:04] I'm the wiper. [15:04] right? [15:04] thrice`: fwiw, in 12 beta, you can install gnome-shell to get an idea of what gnome 3 will be like. :P [15:04] psycho, the rapisrt [15:04] s/wiper/viper [15:04] hey, i have a question about installing slackware over the net. i want to install it to my brother-in-laws computer and have ssh run so I can ssh in and have the ncurses setup utility appear on my screen. The ssh is working fine but running /usr/lib/setup/setup does nothing except drop me to another line. any idea on how I might get this to work? [15:04] I vant to vipe your vindow panes. [15:04] no ph|ber [15:05] well g2g got class in 30 mins [15:05] I've got to eat [15:05] fredoslack (n=fredosla@86.210.232.187) left irc: No route to host [15:05] see ya [15:05] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [15:05] why the ncurses won't appear on my screen [15:05] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-62-83.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:05] well it was nice meeting you Thrice [15:06] o_O [15:07] later captswall [15:07] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [15:07] toastyto1st (n=toast@cpe-74-75-198-13.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:08] fire|bird, I did, I disslike it [15:08] thrice`: I tried it in an Ubuntu VM, it sucks. :P [15:08] do you have a SS fire|bird? [15:09] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-198-13.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:09] soon, both gnome and kde will be useless :) [15:09] Necos: No, I don't. [15:09] I found one this morning, let me pull it up [15:09] thrice`: I think gnome moreso than kde, but that's my opinion. [15:09] HAHA! I got it! [15:09] \o/ [15:09] you must . /etc/profile [15:09] thrice`, that's why WMs and light DEs are rising in popularity [15:09] from the pc you are loggen into ssh from and then it woreth [15:10] xfce, lxde, etc... [15:10] workketh [15:10] congrats mrselfpwn [15:10] tyty [15:10] http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2009/10/way-of-dodo.html has a good gnome-shell SS [15:11] it only pops that stuff up on the left when you click activities [15:11] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.25) joined ##slackware. [15:11] yes, it was apparent after looking in the setup cd's /etc/rc.d/rc.S just incase anyone cared to know. [15:11] Vix (n=naitso@host14-14-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:11] thrice`: I'll probably give it another try in Fedora beings that's on real hardware, but from the Ubuntu experience, it's aweful. [15:11] hi, anyone use nanodc on slackware 13.0 ? [15:13] strankan (n=user@c-decd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [15:14] My problem with light WMs is there is no volume management (drives... not sound). [15:14] i try to compile but obtain Checking for C++ library boost_thread... no [15:14] I <3 Fluxbox but I hate fscking with /etc/fstab. [15:14] Vix: I have not though they do have a irc channel #nanodc [15:14] so use xfce or soemthing :P [15:15] mrselfpwn: it's empty [15:15] strankan (n=user@c-decd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:15] Vix: well then you might need to install boost? btw, is it still developed? [15:15] boost is in slack13 [15:15] oh [15:15] Necos: I guess I could use thunar in Fluxbox. [15:15] can anyone tell me?? what chmod on a directory makes all files in it readable by everyone [15:16] on slackware 13 there is boost 1.38 [15:16] stickyboy: You could set up vol management though, like with ivman or something. :P [15:16] goddamn it ph|ber [15:16] man chmod [15:16] i have tried everything. [15:16] i have! [15:16] or i wouldnt be asking [15:16] Vix: oh, it just says #nanodc on the sourceforge sight. doesn't give the server [15:16] fire|bird: Oh god... is that thing still maintained? [15:16] no you haven't, because the answer is THERE! [15:17] ph|ber: You can't do that... sticky doesn't do that. g+s doesn't do that. [15:17] strankan (n=user@c-decd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [15:17] so how can i? or every file created is owned by another user. [15:17] Anthony_ (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:17] stickyboy: haha, well, slackbuilds.org still has it. [15:18] _bruno__ (n=bruno@189-68-128-184.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: [15:18] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:19] ph|ber: That's the way it's supposed to be... setting permissions on a folder won't proactively change permissions on sub-files. [15:19] you can only do it using setfacl so far as i know [15:19] Anthony_ (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:19] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-48-6.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:19] setfacl -m d:u::rwx, setfacl -m d:g::rwx, setfacl -m d:o::rwx [15:20] all: in a script, which gets a random taball as input parameter, 'tar xvf' should unpack all common tarballs, but how do i get the name of directory, that i should enter in the next step ? i did not find something like "tar -i " to get information on the archive. any tips please ? [15:20] fire|bird: ='( [15:20] fire|bird: I need a hug [15:20] rrh, you don't... you have to check the output of tar tvf for directory names [15:20] captswall (n=kissinge@c-67-167-184-242.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: [15:20] Action: deco hugs Camarade_Tux with passion [15:20] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:20] Necos: Yah... the default ACL, right? setfacl -d -m o:rx file [15:21] there ya go Camarade_Tux, deco hugged ya. :P [15:21] fosforo_ (n=fosforo@187.15.21.67) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:21] setfacl: csv: Operation not supported [15:21] ph|ber: Heh, you have to remount your file system with acls enabled. [15:21] and nfs with acls is an accident waiting to happen [15:21] It's getting ugly, I admit. [15:21] deco: thanks :) [15:22] Camarade_Tux doesn't need a hug... he needs a hole in his head [15:22] Camarade_Tux: np mon cheri :) [15:22] :) [15:22] Action: deco wipes the tears from Camarade_Tux's face [15:22] still didnt work. [15:22] Necos: ='( [15:22] lol [15:22] <3 [15:22] -rw------- 1 david apache 8.3K 2009-10-21 15:22 DNLD7612.csv [15:23] ph|ber, how about you get the mount information for your nfs mount [15:23] Necos: i had that idea, too. could do that with awk, or so. but then the whole process of unpacking would last twice as long. i guess. or ist there a way to break the check/list, from the script, after a second, or first 5-10 lines ? [15:23] (rw,sync,insecure,insecure_locks,no_root_squash,subtree_check) [15:24] bash$ make modules_install -- cp: cannot stat `/usr/src/linux-2.6.31.4/modules.order': No such file or directory \ make: *** [_modinst_] Error 1 [15:24] any ideas? [15:24] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:24] m20sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:24] esoteric: from root [15:24] Vix: yest [15:25] err yes [15:25] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:25] you could try something like Archive::Tar in perl to check it :P [15:26] kowa (i=kowalczy@237-160.neasonline.no) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:26] hrm.. can you not have gid, uid, or mode for a nfs mount in /etc/fstab? [15:26] mount csv [15:26] unknown nfs mount parameter: mode=777 [15:26] read the damn mount manpage :P [15:27] Necos: ahh .. just tested it. 'tar tvf |head -5' takes only the 5 lines, and seems to break up the process. it does not go through the whole archive. :) [15:27] should be able to do gid=80, udi=80 [15:27] er uid [15:27] audi 80 lol [15:27] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [15:28] lol [15:28] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] rrh, tvf should be very fast too [15:29] esoteric: what is the complete step that you do [15:30] Vix: trying something... brb [15:32] esoteric: where are you running make module_install from? [15:33] Is your kernel source in /usr/src ? [15:33] mrselfpwn: /usr/src/linux-2.6.31.4 [15:33] Necos: it is. but still with archives with lots of files, like wine, it could take its time. anyway, thanks for the support. [15:33] okay [15:34] rdm (n=rdm@84.23.51.140) joined ##slackware. [15:34] v4nelle (n=van@adsl163-68.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:34] you did make bzImage and make modules i'm sure right? [15:34] just checking case you maybe forgot something [15:34] mrselfpwn: i forgot modules! can't believe that [15:34] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:34] mrselfpwn: thx [15:34] gh [15:35] esoteric: no prob :) [15:35] btw, make -j 16 bzImage took 1min 13sec [15:35] np rrh [15:35] wow lol [15:35] on what system, esoteric ? [15:35] mac pro [15:35] O_o [15:36] i haven't tried that hi yet [15:36] i know, i was rofl [15:36] high* [15:36] -j 16... >.> [15:36] uname -a esoteric :P [15:36] esoteric: cpu? [15:37] Necos: one moment... rebooting [15:38] esoteric: you should try without giving -j and argument ^>^ [15:38] I know the CPU is this: E5520@2.27GHz -- I [15:38] s/and/an [15:38] I'll uname -a when it comes back up [15:38] mrselfpwn: will do [15:38] it makes for unlimited processes [15:38] O.O [15:39] mrselfpwn: :D [15:39] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:39] i really wanna put slack on a macbook [15:39] Necos: doing that next. :) would you do Slackware 64? [15:40] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [15:40] i dunno, i sorta need the compatibility for 32bit [15:40] and i'm scared of multilib lol [15:40] Necos: what for? [15:40] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: ""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts."" [15:41] somebody have a netbeans build for slackware64? [15:41] some of the scientific programs i use still use 32bit (not sure if octave has a 64bit version yet) [15:41] rdm (n=rdm@84.23.51.140) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:41] i see [15:41] Kowalczyk (i=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:42] kinda need 'em for physics :) [15:42] Physics shmysics [15:43] i'm scared of multilib too, but I really wanted to run Slackware 64 on this Mac Pro... i hope i don't bork it [15:43] Nick_Patterson shut your piehole :) [15:43] ^ hope I shouldn't have went with Slack 32 [15:43] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.91.221) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:43] cool. next time i wanna scare nerds i claim "dont touch this sys, it has multilib installed. beware!" [15:44] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:44] jg71: running slack 64 with 32bit libs? [15:44] esoteric, i do on one machine, yes. [15:44] jg71, it's scary only for those of us that use 32-bit programs still :P [15:44] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [15:44] jg71: any problems? [15:44] gades: What build... i just download direct from sun onto my 64bit system np [15:44] "Hey, baby. Did you know that an object at rest tends to stay at rest unless acted upon by a body of unequal force?" <------ great physics pick up line. Pft. [15:44] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [15:45] mmm I just downloaded slackware64 preparing to install and have vad hair days [15:45] esoteric, not so far. i mainly installed the multilib thing for virtualbox compiles [15:45] jg71: any hurdles? [15:45] nope :) [15:45] jg71: cool [15:45] Nick_Patterson just because i'm a nerd doesn't mean i don't know how to pick up girls :P [15:46] Necos: Perhaps, but you are paranoid. :P [15:46] Necos: then you're a geek, not a nerd, according to some circles [15:46] lol [15:46] ok delt0r___ [15:46] geeks bite heads off chickens, and i don't do that :P [15:46] you can be a nerd and know nothing about technology -- lol [15:47] gades: You don't need a slackpkg cus it just installs into a single dir like eclipse [15:47] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:47] so your system is still clean [15:47] delt0r___, ok [15:47] thanks! [15:48] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/geek [15:48] no chicken heads kthxbai [15:50] jg71: did you use alienBOB's slackbuild for the 32bit libs? [15:52] esoteric, yepp. theres some wiki about it [15:53] jg71: you wouldn't have that url handy? or is it in the slackbuild docs? [15:55] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:55] Mr__S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:56] hi [15:56] hi [15:57] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib <--- esoteric [15:57] jg71: thx [15:58] cap (n=cap@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [16:00] I have a Dell X300 laptop with fresh 13.0 install running KDE and all the windows have the bar at top distorted, (looks like 4 or 5 horizontal lines that only show a hint of what should be there). Anyone know what could be causing this anomily? [16:01] bad video settings (refresh rate more than likely) [16:01] cap: your graphics driver. intel? [16:02] Nick change: elench_ -> nickstolen [16:03] Dominian: ping [16:03] strankan (n=user@c-decd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:03] acidchild: pong [16:04] xhhj (n=opera@89.47.96.99) left ##slackware. [16:04] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.82.209) joined ##slackware. [16:05] Nick change: NaCl -> NameStolen [16:06] sahko: Yes intel. [16:06] maybe you could try one of the alternate packages, but that depends on your card model and i cant help you with that. maybe someone else can [16:07] FWIW they're in extra/ [16:08] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.158.227.14.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:09] I've just now tried other refresh rates and didn't seem to change anything, so went back to 65 [16:09] I'll take a snapshot of it ... [16:13] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "..." [16:13] Take a look at this: [16:14] shadowx (n=7350@93.183.131.3) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [16:14] http://geocities.com/kj5zr/snapshot1.png [16:14] looks more like a driver issue [16:14] like i said before, try the alternate intel driver packages in extra/ [16:15] alternatively build the latest one, if the one in Slackware isnt fully up to date [16:15] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [16:16] cap, Do you have desktop effects enabled in KDE? [16:16] chipster_ (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [16:16] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [16:17] adamk_: I don't know, I wll look for that setting, not sure where to look but... [16:17] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [16:17] system settings->desktop [16:18] No, desktop effects is not enabled. [16:19] If compositing is enabled in xorg.conf, that may have something to do with it [16:19] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:19] That's a guess, though. [16:20] has anyone added full windows setups into their WINE install? [16:20] Dominian: Enemy Territory needs the 32bit libs to run on Slack 64? [16:20] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:20] Cap tried to enalbe desktop effects and it looked the system up. [16:20] Things like .NET [16:20] antiwire: what do you mean? [16:20] esoteric: yes [16:20] Camarade_Tux: all the extra crap, .NET and friends [16:21] The mouse cursor still moves but no repsonse when clicking on anything and no repsonse from keyboard commands either. [16:21] Looks like he will need to cut the power in order to reboot or get out of X. [16:21] its a problem with the intel driver [16:21] usr13: ssh in [16:22] usr13: ssh in and reboot the system. [16:22] The syttem settings window went blank. [16:22] usr13, cap: Do you what model intel GPU this is? [16:22] antiwire: Yes, will ssh in. [16:22] adamk_: Will see. [16:23] spook: nah, coding drunk isn't great when you have to design new things :) [16:23] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: [16:23] mrselfpwn, and others, make bzImage: real 10m7.865s make -j 16 bzImage: real 1m15.193s -- sweet! [16:23] antiwire: nope, never [16:23] antiwire: or sysrq [16:24] usr13: tried Alt+Print-Screen+R and then Ctrl+Alt+F2? [16:24] antiwire: Trying to find what IP address it is on. [16:24] nmap =) [16:24] Looking at dhcpd.leases .... not sure which it is. [16:24] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:26] stig (n=stig@173.80-202-229.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [16:26] esoteric, q3a needs em too [16:26] jg71: q3a? [16:26] quake 3 arena [16:26] ahh [16:26] good to know [16:27] Camarade_Tux: Its a laptop so print-screen is Fn-F11 [16:27] Still trying to discover the IP [16:27] usr13: then Alt+Fn+F11+R :) [16:28] deco: still listening to Pink Floyd ;-) [16:29] I can't seem to figure out the IP address. [16:29] i gotta test this -j 16 stunt too now ... [16:29] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.132.139) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:30] jg71, i was surprised. [16:30] What file do I look at to find the latest leased IP? [16:30] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Client Quit [16:30] usr13: jsut ifconfig [16:30] Scuzz: Does not apply. [16:31] tried the combination I gave you? also, Ctrl+Alt+Del may still work [16:31] Scuzz: I'm talking about finding it on the dhcp server. [16:31] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.132.139) joined ##slackware. [16:32] well I'm back... greets =) [16:32] ohh [16:32] sorry [16:32] oh no, not metrofox :D [16:32] Was looking at /var/state/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases but can't seem to tell anyting about which is the last one [16:32] hey Camarade_Tux :P [16:32] nmap can do pretty nice things :) [16:33] notatroll (n=notatrol@pool-173-70-27-179.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:33] Camarade_Tux: Yea, nmap __________? [16:33] Are metrofox 's eyebrows neatly trimmed? [16:34] nmap 192.168.2.0/24 [16:34] Nick_Patterson, naaa [16:34] real 3m11.090s, fresh compile, e5200, standard slack64-13 [16:34] is slow... looks at itself first... [16:34] for all ports. [16:34] still, quite a speed bump i must say [16:36] found it.. I just used nmap on a single port. -p [16:36] I guess I could just kill X ? [16:37] or switch to runlevel 3? [16:37] stig_ (n=stig@173.80-202-229.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:37] or run top to see what is happeneing? [16:37] Any suggestions? [16:37] kowa (i=kowalczy@237-160.neasonline.no) joined ##slackware. [16:38] yea!!!! 2.6.31.4 fixed my NIC problem (e1000e Intel 82574L) [16:38] It only has 512 M RAM and only 5360 free [16:38] nice :) [16:38] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-62-83.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [16:40] Couldn't tell much about it so am attempting to switch to runlevel 3 [16:40] Doesn't seem to be doing anything yet.... [16:40] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [16:40] cap (n=cap@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:41] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [16:41] I was wondering is there any reason to choose slackware64 over 32? [16:41] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Client Quit [16:42] I did telinit 3, nothing seems to happen. I killed the PID for X and now have black screen with non-movable mouse cursor. [16:42] Kowalczyk (i=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.no) joined ##slackware. [16:42] But have lots more free RAM now. [16:42] nickstolen: other than utilizing your full 64bt glory, it also allows direct access to megamemory [16:43] The system is going down for reboot NOW! [16:43] I think 13.0 has some insues with 13.0 [16:43] I think 13.0 has some insues with Dell x300's [16:44] briareus (n=briareus@mayo-nat2.mayo.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:44] _bruno (n=bruno@189-68-128-184.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:44] alisonken1home : I know just wondering if it's worth it cause everything I read about slackware64/multilibs seems to make it sound ebil. [16:45] not really - and multilib is not necessarily needed - you just have to look at your application needs [16:45] hi all. Can someone help me sort out what I need to do between each new kernel upgrade to keep Virtualbox working? I used to just /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv setup, but this new way doesn't seem to work for me [16:45] Maybe 13.0's KDE-4.2 is just a bit too resource hungry for this machine. [16:45] alisonken1home: WINE and applicaitons like GIMp [16:46] multilib is only evil if you _HAVE_ to have 32bit apps [16:46] gimp _should_ be 64-it, but wine, yeah. multilib needed there [16:46] 'cause sometimes there are hickups... [16:46] however, the multilib issue is workable [16:46] it's why i stayed with 32bit for now (until the apps i use switch to 64bit) [16:46] Maybe it needs to run xfce [16:47] not used a linux desktop for ages. :) been spending last few days going thru distro and found my love for slackware is still there. [16:47] Action: alienBOB runs slackware64/multilib on this T400 laptop and it screams [16:47] Just trying to decide bewteen 32bit and 64bit [16:47] I've not had any problems with multilib on my slackware64 installation. [16:47] go 64 until you find out if 32 it the _only_ option [16:47] Every 32 bit app has worked. [16:47] slackware has come along way since 3.0 XD [16:48] Hummm... that is interesting. xfce3 also has some distortion, not as much tho. [16:48] Only on the bar at bottom. [16:48] usr13 refresh rate I would say. [16:50] I have the requisite additions edits to /etc/rc.d/rc.local that the various Virtualbox README and README.SLACKWARE files designate, but I keep getting the same [incorrect] message to 'run /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv setup' ...any clues? [16:51] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [16:51] am i better off buying a motherboard/cpu combo for performance or should I splurge and buy them separately...hrmmmm [16:52] DidierSpaier (n=didier@inv75-1-81-57-28-169.fbx.proxad.net) left ##slackware. [16:52] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [16:53] If you can ask the question, then you should buy them seperately. [16:55] mm I always thought swap on modern pcs with more then 2b of ram was pointless. Am I wrong to assume so ? [16:55] nickstolen: you're absolutely correct [16:55] dartmouth, that's assuming that the bundles are made for that reason, and they're usually made for cost, not performance [16:56] Nick_Patterson: yeah, im just not a hardware guy. im trying to save some cash, but i really want a system i wont have to upgrade for a long, long time. [16:56] swap is dependent on how much processes are running and using resources, also whether you have suspend-to-disk enabled [16:56] anyone on here sue fail2ban? [16:56] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@aa20060611363b8b1fd4.userreverse.dion.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [16:56] use* [16:56] dartmouth: why do people still recommend to make swap 1.5 or twice then more fo said installed ram [16:56] nickstolen: legacy user practices lol [16:57] for that reason (suspend-to-ram), as well as others [16:57] because people are using more resources than they think - AND - there's suspend-to-disk for laptops [16:57] *suspend-to-disk, i mean [16:57] 2GB swap space :P makes no sense to me somehow. XD [16:58] 4Gb even. [16:58] alisonken1home: i stopped using swap on my 1.5 gb ram system and i have this thing loaded, all the time, and have never seen a performance loss due to a lack of swap. [16:58] its just a wasted partition on your hard drive. [16:58] using swap is a performance hit. but the comment is about some programs being hogs and some people have a lot more running in the background than they think [16:59] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-48-6.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:00] to be honest the concept of swap sounds volatile to your hard drive. [17:00] only if overused and/or in the wrong spot [17:00] (i've just noticed my hd's are lasting longer since I stopped using it) [17:00] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-62-83.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:00] partition 1 should always be swap. [17:00] or say 4Gb which is ridiculous [17:00] always [17:00] partition 2 - partition 1 should be /boot [17:01] alisonken1home: that's just inacurrate [17:01] never had had a swap space over 512MB and even then it's always on very very old boxes. [17:01] does it really matter? [17:01] dartmouth: not everyone runs the latest computer :) [17:01] when you look at the physical action being taken place when using swap, you'll agree. you want it in the lower sectors of the disk-- the closest thing to the reading pins. [17:02] that first partition of the disk is right where you want your swap if you're actually going to be needing it. [17:02] i always put swap at the end since it usually takes a while before i hit swapping [17:02] the first partition on your disk is where your loading routines should be [17:02] like kernel, initrd, etc. [17:02] Necos: you'll see a noticable performance change if you put it on your first [17:03] it also will wear out your hard drive faster if it's at the end of the disk [17:03] you'll burn that little motor right out [17:03] (personal experience) [17:04] cap (n=cap@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [17:04] mm for as long as I can recall swap has always been b default on the second partition, can't remember why anymore [17:04] i've had this box running like that for 4 years... no problems yet :P [17:04] not all computers in use today will allow you to put swap first - because they can only load if kernel is in the lower part of the disk [17:04] should look it up, could be a interesting read. [17:04] nickstolen: alot of bad practices are 'the default' [17:04] darmouth: you're not reading [17:04] I'm running xfce but still see distortion but not as much, only in a couple Icons in the bar at bottom. [17:04] not all bios's will boot if the kernel is in a spot that's >1G on the drive [17:05] that is _not_ a bad practice, that's reality [17:05] alisonken1home: that's pebcak, not hardware limitation. im reading, you're just wrong lol [17:05] sveva65 (n=sverre@unaffiliated/sveva65) joined ##slackware. [17:05] see: http://geocities.com/kj5zr/snapshot3.jpg [17:05] dartmouth: tell that to my 485 [17:05] s/485/486/ [17:05] So it's not a KDE 4.2 bug... [17:05] hehe why the hell would you still use a 486 :P [17:06] Maybe an xorg bug? Or intel driver bug? Or...? [17:06] alisonken1home: well, come hop on the lug i just took over and maybe we can devote a meeting to showing you how to get that running smoother [17:06] because it's still usable, and it doesn't need to run a gui [17:06] nickstolen^^^^ [17:06] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:06] runs just fine with what it's used for [17:06] rworkman (n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman) left ##slackware. [17:07] alisonken1home: see? you made rworkman leave. darn you... (lol) [17:07] :) [17:07] now, one thing I am not up on is hardware SELECTION. [17:08] alisonken1home: what running on it if I may know? [17:08] one is running slack 10.2 another is running slack 12.1 [17:08] they're used as pos terminals ssh'ed into a main server [17:09] dartmouth: #hardware might be a good pit stop before the computer store. [17:09] ncurses based - so no gui needed [17:09] ah k then [17:09] I'm building something between a linux geek lair and a home entertainment system, on a budget, and have found that while I was compiling my kernel on a 2.0 ghz amd single-core, all these great new cpus have come out, and if you think matching up the right mobo to that was difficult before, check this crap out now. [17:09] i mean holy. [17:09] any Virtualbox-ose users here? [17:09] oh yeah - another one is a router with 3 nics in it [17:10] lol dartmouth I spend six months trying to decide what mobo and cpus to buy then decided screw it, my dual core is good enough. [17:10] vbox 3.0.8 [17:10] RobDob: got a question [17:10] Nick_Patterson: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.265471 [17:10] sveva65 (n=sverre@unaffiliated/sveva65) left ##slackware. [17:11] bria: ? [17:11] alisonken1home: wtf 486 router with 3nics ? you not serious. [17:11] yes I am [17:11] the proc is *ideal*, but i have no idea whats good in a mobo anymore. im way behind [17:11] just a simple router or firewall ? [17:11] RobDob: I installed the various -ose packages, and edited the files that the README's tell me [17:11] slackware router/firewall [17:12] RobDob: but I still have it tell me that old "run /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv setup" [17:12] eth0 local, eth1 dmz, eth2 internet [17:12] (dsl) [17:12] er how's the network performance? [17:12] dartmouth: You want onboard video, if part of your goal is to build an entertainment center? [17:12] bria: that generates the kernel mod - if you for example upgrade kernel or self compile kernel, then you would re-run this again - no matter if using ose or std packages [17:12] doesn't affect the network performance at all [17:13] the firtering would I assume. [17:13] the dsl is the bottleneck [17:13] Nick_Patterson: i was looking at this for a gfx card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102858 [17:13] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-62-83.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [17:14] dartmouth: Yeah, that looks decent. [17:14] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:14] mm I was thiknking of something else. ignore me. [17:14] RobDob: right, but that comment is deprecated [17:14] Nick_Patterson: what I always end up doing is getting a gfx/mobo combo that isn't compatible [17:14] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:14] RobDob: so I have no idea how to get this thing 'running'. I can get the Virtualbox gui up, but when I start any of my machines, I get that popup. [17:15] bria: ok what happens when you execute '/etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv setup'? [17:15] RobDob: in other words, since /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv setup is now deprecated for commandline use, I followed the README comments to edit /etc/rc.d/rc.local, but none of those changes seem to do anything [17:16] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.0.131) joined ##slackware. [17:16] RobDob: I get the commandline message: Not implemented! Please use the Viretualbox-kernel.Slackbuild available at Slackbuilds.org instead! But this is what I just installed, so why am I getting that message. [17:17] Can I run the gnome programs under KDE and vice versa ? I mean literally all the programs / [17:17] bria: i don't use ose ( use std tar.gz package from vbox site ) so not quite sure but I still would think you need the kernels mods be built - have you tried the std package ( instead of ose/slackbuild )? [17:17] RobDob: "Not implemented! Please use the virtualbox-kernel.SlackBuild available at SlackBuilds.org instead." [17:17] RobDob: no, but I probably will because this is shit. [17:18] _bruno (n=bruno@189-68-128-184.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [17:18] paul424: if you want to run gnome programs, why don't you try GSB? [17:18] RobDob: back when I ran the std (and thus had usb functionality) I never had this stupid problems as with the virtualbox slackbuilds [17:18] bria: ok get it form here: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads ( 'All Distributions' link ) [17:18] paul424: because gnome has programs that are _only_ runnable under gnome [17:18] thanks [17:18] bira: just choose 32 ro 64-bit [17:19] bira: oops it's getting late and well past my bedtime so my typing is going to the dogs [17:19] RobDob: I'm going to go uninstall all this ose slackbuild shite [17:19] paul424: correction - _some_ gnome programs will only run under gnome. [17:20] actually, I'm not even sure how to uninstall these virtualbox slackbuilds [17:21] alisonken1home: [17:21] if they're slackbuilds, then they uninstall with "removepkg ....." [17:21] I do run GSB but I wonder where are some KDE desktops program are :P [17:21] bria: removepkg /var/log/packages/ then download and make it executable then run './VirtualBox-3.0.8-53138-Linux_amd64.run' or the 32-bit version; cheers going to sleep [17:22] nite RobDob thanks [17:22] paul424: slackware includes both gt4 and gtk+ libraries, so except for specific dependency issues, they should run fine [17:22] sorry - qt4, not gt4 [17:23] that's why i prefer a WM over a DE... i can use KDE programs just fine while in openbox [17:23] DidierSpaier (n=didier@inv75-1-81-57-28-169.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] or gtk programs (which are non-gnome) just fine [17:24] Odd. I can use KDE Programs fine in xfce4 or gnome... [17:24] Or gnome programs in either of the other two :-) [17:25] alisonken1home: ok thanks [17:26] np [17:27] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "rah" [17:27] aluno (n=aluno@189.82.184.189) joined ##slackware. [17:28] briareus: rc.vboxdrv setup doesn't fix anything virtualbox-kernel.SlackBuild wouldn't fix either. The latter does it in a saner way, from a packaging perspective [17:28] hey guys I have apache installed here, all way to go, only one problem i cant list directory anyone can halp? [17:28] briareus: whatever your problem is, running rc.vboxdrv setup would most likely not fix it either [17:29] aluno: need to read up on apache runtime requirements, like home directory and permissions for apache for that directory [17:29] aluno (n=aluno@189.82.184.189) left irc: Client Quit [17:30] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: "this is not a rage quit" [17:30] alisonken1home: Looks like you overwhelmed him. :P [17:30] :) [17:31] from his nick and sentence structure, I don't think english is his primary language, either [17:31] lol [17:31] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:32] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-198-13.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:34] Camarade_Tux: you still there ? [17:34] good night [17:34] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@79.51.68.162) left irc: [17:35] chipster_ (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Client Quit [17:36] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [17:37] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:37] greetings and salutations [17:37] greetings andarius, how are you? [17:38] go to bed now, see ya =) [17:38] salutations fire|bird, i am surviving. you? [17:38] pprkut: whatever the problem is, following the explicit directions in the README and README.SLACKWAREs did exactly nothing to get it running. [17:38] night metrofox [17:38] _bruno (n=bruno@189-68-128-184.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:38] ciao metrofox [17:38] andarius: I'm great, thank you. I'm trying to find my missing xfce battery monitor. :P [17:38] ciao deco, goodbye fire|bird [17:38] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.132.139) left irc: "+-||\-" [17:38] briareus: so you have some deeper configuration issue, which would need investigating [17:38] pprkut: unfortunately, the std downloaded and installed from virtualbox website still results in a ...failed! message at the setup step, so I'm shit out of luck [17:39] fire|bird: is gone cause i took your battery :o [17:39] so that's what happened. [17:39] all your batteries are belong to me [17:39] fire|bird, -current update? [17:39] briareus: starting points: are you a member of vboxusers, what does dmesg say when you do rc.vboxdrv start, etc... [17:39] thrice`: nope, 13 64bit [17:40] pprkut: it prompts me to run dmesg, but dmesg is only showing about a mile of tcp packet messages [17:41] grep vbox /var/log/syslog [17:42] nothing [17:42] is the module loaded? what does lsmod say? [17:43] the /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv start says "Starting VirtualBox kernel module ...failed! Please use dmesg to find out why" [17:43] lsmod does not show it there [17:43] so the module isn't loaded, ok [17:43] I could never get it loaded in either the -ose or now the std [17:43] thrice`: However, the brightness plugin on the panel is there, yet no icon is there for it and it doesn't work. [17:44] briareus: try loading the module manually "modprobe vboxdrv" [17:44] wow, this is hilarious... http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885863/ [17:45] pprkut: anyway I don't have usb functionality in the -ose (or at least when it was running for me a few weeks ago it wasnt) so I am ok with trying the std version, I thank you for the help with this. "module vboxdrv not found" [17:45] pprkut: at this time I don't have any virtualbox slackbuild in system. I thought it was the problem. I guess not, since std is also not making a kernel module [17:46] Anyone know offhand how big slackwares /usr/src gets nowadays ? [17:46] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-104-155.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:46] briareus: find /lib/modules/ -name "vboxdrv.ko" [17:46] Action: edman007 hugs qemu [17:46] muhahaha [17:46] pprkut: no return from that find command. [17:46] who calls QueryCredentialsAttributes 32,000 times? >.> [17:46] nickstolen: typically not very unless you install all of the sources as well [17:46] nickstolen: as big as you want it to be, depending on what you put there [17:47] briareus: so you need to build a kernel module [17:47] or install a already built one [17:47] pprkut: but when I do build it, I get a failed message pointing to dmesg, which has nothing [17:47] pprkut: so I'm shooting zero on troubleshooting data [17:47] alisonken1home yea was thinking of all the source. [17:47] briareus: that's the output you get from make? [17:48] http://blogs.sun.com/marigan/entry/how_the_vi_editor_would <--- if MS made vi :) [17:48] pprkut: I'll have to build it again, since I deleted all the -ose slackbuilds [17:48] briareus: no need [17:48] pprkut: do you install all four packages? (the two kernels, the two -ose)? [17:48] lol cute [17:48] briareus: -puel installs the kernel sources as well [17:48] nickstolen: don't know [17:49] pprkut: no need? [17:49] Action: nickstolen reminds himself to remove vim. [17:49] briareus: no...-addons is meant for GUEST systems *only* [17:49] never tried installing _all_ sources of slackware [17:49] pprkut: what's "-puel" [17:49] briareus: binary [17:49] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824085743]" [17:49] pprkut: oh, ok. so I have that, I guess [17:49] yes [17:50] pprkut: since I just downloaded and ran the .run and it said "installed!" [17:50] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [17:50] but I don't know where to find a log of that [17:50] *sigh* this is one of the things I hate most about installing a new box. partition planning. [17:50] briareus: well, I guess it installed to /opt [17:50] indeed [17:50] nickstolen: it's always the fun part for me [17:50] deco: me too [17:50] :) [17:51] deco :P I always end up remembering I forgot something halfway thru. [17:51] XD [17:51] briareus: look somewhere there, it should be there somewhere [17:51] pprkut: I see several of the main things in the /opt/Virtualbox/ directory red with asterisks [17:51] nickstolen: haha :P [17:51] pprkut: like VboxSDL Virtualbox VboxNetDHCP VboxHeadless [17:52] pprkut: I'm in the /opt/Virtualbox/src/ and I see Makefile plus three dirs: vboxdrv vboxsetadp vboxnetflt [17:52] briareus: that's suid and supposed to be that way (re red) [17:52] should I run make in that /src/ dir? [17:52] b yes [17:52] s/b// [17:53] got /, /home, /usr, /var, /tmp, /usr/src and pretty sure I forgot something besides [swap] which I am still debating with myself if I will ever use it. [17:53] cp: cannot stat `vboxdrv/vboxdrv.ko': No such file or directory [17:53] john_dee (n=id@93-81-71-107.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [17:53] fails almost immediately [17:53] pastebin the whole output please [17:53] ok, just a moment [17:53] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [17:54] http://pastebin.com/m6ff4bc18 [17:54] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [17:55] nickstolen: desktop or laptop [17:55] desktop [17:55] or full-blown server [17:55] ok [17:55] better to waste a swap than to find out you needed it later. [17:55] besides you can always use suspend-to-disk as well on most modern dekstops for that instan-on feeling [17:55] nbnds (n=nbnds@port-92-195-113-114.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [17:56] pprkut: very strange to me, when I run make *in* the vboxdrv dir, it says "nothing to be done for 'all'" [17:56] briareus: uhm, stupid question, you have kernel sources in /usr/src, right? [17:56] but in the src, I see the error I pasted [17:56] pprkut: yes, for the kernel I am running [17:56] I always powerdown or leave it running. [17:56] 2.6.31.2 [17:56] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:56] briareus: cant you just install it from binary? [17:56] briareus: you can also try "make clean" and then make again [17:56] no wait, I'm in .1, but I have that in there too [17:56] winter: this is the binary [17:56] err [17:57] make clean && make, same result [17:57] that's the strangest vbnopx binary i've ever seen [17:57] hmpf [17:57] wierd [17:57] briareus: try running the virtualbox-kernel.SlackBuild (only that one) [17:57] I ran make clean in the /opt/virtualbox/src/ thats what you meant right? [17:57] this will build a suitable kernel module for -puel as well [17:58] yes [17:58] ok, I'll have to buil/install it, might take me a bit [17:58] -kernel should be rather quick [17:59] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] ok, built and installed [17:59] no errors? [17:59] (the virtualbox-kernel.slackbuild) [17:59] no errors [17:59] and you installed the resulting package with installpkg? [18:00] yep, no errors [18:00] try running rc.vboxdrv start again, then [18:00] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: "leaving" [18:01] Starting VirtualBox kernel module ...done. [18:01] and there they are in lsmod [18:01] WTF [18:01] why didnt it do this before? [18:01] haha [18:01] there you go, happy vboxing :) [18:01] lol [18:01] I have zero idea what just happened, but I wont complain. [18:01] shut up and smile :) [18:01] although, this v doesnt support usb huh [18:01] Action: briareus shuts up and smiles [18:02] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-wngfcmbwnsdycclk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:02] Emeau-cat (n=emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-104-155.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:03] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:03] briareus: usb support should have nothing to do with the kernel modules [18:03] qemu doesn't feel the need to cripple its stuff in the opensource version, in fact they scrapped closed source altogether [18:03] burnedbrain (n=burnedbr@host106-209-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:03] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-cyuhxiifbxvbmcgd) joined ##slackware. [18:04] agentc0re|work (n=jon@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left ##slackware. [18:04] hi burnedbrain [18:04] hi! [18:05] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-198-13.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:05] mohaa:D [18:06] 'nite [18:07] bye Vix [18:07] Vix (n=naitso@host14-14-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [18:07] _bruno (n=bruno@189-68-128-184.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: [18:07] anyone able to du /usr/src/Linux please ? thank you. [18:07] Arno[Slack] (i=100@81.57.177.108) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:09] nickstolen: its about 347M [18:10] nickstolen: what version of slackware? What kernel version? [18:10] 374 sorry [18:10] after a build anyway [18:10] thumbs: sorry just needed a esrtimate so didn't think version would matter much. [18:10] dartmouth: thx [18:10] nickstolen: it doesn't matter much [18:11] riddlebox (n=james@75.132.225.75) joined ##slackware. [18:11] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-wqtqauiftdndsmms) left irc: "Page closed" [18:12] bye all! [18:12] oh, nickstolen: this ended up being the combo I decided on: http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAllCustom&friendId=421176285&swapped=true [18:12] headstuck. can't decide how much space and if I should bother to spilt /usr into /usr/local /usr/local/home and /usr/src . [18:12] burnedbrain (n=burnedbr@host106-209-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "leaving" [18:13] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:13] nickstolen: you don't need that many partitions, and it won't do you any good really. better off maybe putting /tmp on a partition if you're that anal about it; /home on a partition is a GREAT idea, and let the rest lie in / [18:13] maybe a KISS attitude with partitioning is best, then [18:14] Hey mancha, how are you? [18:14] I often find myself just wiping slices, too much tetsing and crap [18:15] dartmouth: er why propus chip and gigabyte :/ [18:15] hey fire, fine thanks. [18:15] DidierSpaier (n=didier@inv75-1-81-57-28-169.fbx.proxad.net) left ##slackware. [18:16] nickstolen: say what? [18:16] nothing just not a fan of gigabyte mobos [18:16] i've heard mixed reviews [18:17] i've been told thats a great mobo though; i am only concerned about whether its compatible with that gfx card i picked out for it [18:17] I prefer asus mobos [18:18] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.157.147) left irc: "Saliendo" [18:19] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.0.131) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:19] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.70.64) joined ##slackware. [18:19] esteeven (n=esteeven@82-32-107-213.cable.ubr02.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:21] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [18:26] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.26.45) joined ##slackware. [18:28] do some of you guys work as programmers? [18:29] akira42: we all do, just few us are paid for it lol [18:29] lol, right [18:29] Action: akira42 wants to get paid for programming [18:29] I want to know what skills are usefull [18:29] Action: Motoko-chan works as a sysadmin [18:30] useful is not important :P [18:30] :( [18:30] it's how much useless stuff do you know that impresses HR that counts [18:30] akira42: he's right. [18:30] Motoko-chan: may I ask what you have learned? [18:30] nickstolen: what means HR? [18:30] How to make the servers go zoom zoom. [18:30] nickstolen: read 'how to win friends and influence people', get your a+ cert, and go apply at a college uni network. [18:31] if you apply for sysadmin they usually want you to know pc repiars, programming, hardware maintenance, webdesign etc etc [18:31] jhell (n=89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: "t_j Thanks for the quick message have no time to reply have to shut this system down immediately. will get back to ya later a [18:31] dartmouth: :( sadly I never went to school and got no certs hence why I hate HR so much. [18:32] nickstolen: dude you just have to interview well [18:32] bunch of over piad clueless monkeys. [18:32] s/piad/paid/ [18:33] hm ... Motoko-chan , how is it to work as a sys-admin? Are the stories right about the users (see BOFH)? [18:33] I could get a job in Barcelona anytime, they are more open minded there, stuck in Madrid :/ [18:33] I work at a small company and do more than just sysadmin, but some users can be clueless. [18:33] akira42 : sysadmins :P don't interact with users.. first lvl1 support and callcentres in India do. [18:34] hehe [18:34] Motoko-chan lucky you :( I been trying to get into a small company for ages now [18:34] Action: Motoko-chan is also helpdesk/front-level support [18:34] more fun then big companies. [18:35] Along with pc support, net admin, voip admin, backup admin, .... [18:35] hrhr [18:35] Motoko-chan: IT janitor :) prefect job [18:35] Motoko-chan = girl for everything :D [18:35] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [18:36] you got to love the footnote on the job descprition (other duties may be required) [18:38] is quad-core not really quad-core most of the time? [18:38] im getting mixed responses [18:38] w4lk (n=w4lk@cpe-071-068-224-209.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:38] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.23.192) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:39] by the response I'm getting its sounding like I'd be just as well off with a single-core than I'd be with a quad-core [18:39] It depends on what types of things you run. [18:39] dartmouth: iirc it depends on the programs you run [18:39] Action: Motoko-chan goes back to working and listening to Rammstein [18:39] Motoko-chan: du hast [18:40] Motoko-chan: do you speak german? [18:40] That's old. [18:40] I'm listening to their new album [18:40] you won't ever use more then 1 core for anything besides rendering and compiling from how I understand it. [18:40] Liebe ist fuer alle da! [18:40] Da! [18:40] gutan tag! [18:40] guten* [18:40] firedix (n=firedix@host230.190-231-144.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [18:40] what do you mean? i run firefox, sometimes I play me some WoW, I run compiz-fusion, I test out some 3-d DE's, I build custom kernels, but mostly I just browse online and do some php programming. [18:41] Motoko-chan: uhm, means 'da' yes or something other? [18:41] gnubien (n=e@97.100.244.58) joined ##slackware. [18:42] akira42: du hast means 'i hate' [18:42] 'du hast mage' means I hate you [18:42] dartmouth: part of it, but in the song it means several things [18:42] akira42: no, not really at all [18:42] dartmouth: sure [18:43] cap (n=cap@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:43] 'du hast' means 'you have' [18:43] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:43] it's german, not chinese. their descriptors are not contextual. [18:43] 'du hasst' means 'you hate' [18:43] german is my mother language [18:43] dartmouth: listen to akira42, he is right [18:44] german is my second language ,-) [18:44] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:44] dartmouth: if you speak it, it sounds equally [18:44] alienBOB: ^_^ [18:44] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [18:44] listen to the pros [18:44] alienBOB: deutsch ist die Sprache der Dicher und Denker :) [18:44] Dichter vielleicht [18:45] >.> [18:45] s/Dicher/Dichter [18:45] im sorry, i thought i knew their structure a little better. i could be wrong. I'm actually very interested in being introduced to linguistics for some test I'm going to take at some point during my enlistment [18:45] you are wrong ;-) [18:46] dartmouth, just wondering, where did you read 'du hast mage'? [18:46] akira42: memory [18:46] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:46] dartmouth: is english your first language? [18:46] yes it is [18:47] initself (n=initself@wsip-98-174-154-206.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:47] I fint it quite funny how speakers of other languages write german words [18:47] *find [18:48] the line in the song you mean is written 'du hast mich' [18:48] Ich bin ein riesiger, pompös Hahn. [18:48] I knew that [18:48] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:49] damn, I have no 'Umlaute' on my keyboard >.> [18:49] Action: alienBOB types on a real dutch IBM keyboard [18:49] Xires (n=Xires@66.190.79.122) left irc: "Leaving" [18:49] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] Action: dartmouth types on a home-made dvorak keyboard with stickers for letters [18:50] lol [18:50] Action: nickstolen de keyboard but US layout :P [18:50] i actually popped the keys out and rearranged them but im nit-picky about font [18:50] >.> [18:50] what. [18:51] picky about font? :P [18:51] dvorak ... is it worth to learn it? [18:51] razor sharp titties... be very careful. [18:51] akira42: my typing speed didn't improve for a month or two [18:52] akira42: also during the transition it'll make you sore and you do have to relearn how to type. it'll also screw you up a little on standard layouts [18:52] nickstolen, wth? [18:52] off-topic: is newegg still the best hardware purchase point or is there a cheaper alternative? [18:52] for EU or US or ? [18:52] US [18:53] I thought bestbuy was the cheapest for you guys. [18:53] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [18:53] not from what i've seen [18:53] but im often full of shit [18:53] with the elite geek squad super duper priced service :P [18:53] I would use pricewatch and just buy whoever sells cheap. [18:54] Depends on the part and where you are [18:54] nickstolen: did I show you the parts list I put together for that box? [18:56] also alienBOB since when was the german translation of 'pompous' 'flamboyant'? [18:56] google translate sucks [18:57] dartmouth: why do you need a dualcore for a home entertainment unit ? [18:57] If you think it's bad, try some less logical language. [18:57] its quad-core lol [18:58] mmm weird stupid newegg wrote dual [18:58] nickstolen: its not really a home-entertainment system, its more of a gaming/general/geek-lair type setup lol [18:58] :P [18:59] what? [18:59] http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.265471 [18:59] I find it funny when I have my gaming friends tell me they buy 3to4k PCs quadcore 12Gigs of ram and I ask them .. why they go like cause WoW or EVE using it all and it makes it run faster and better. [19:00] huh? [19:00] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-81-250.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:01] tell them to buy an xbox [19:01] as in :P there is no point for a gaming pc to be quad core and have 12Gigs of ram. [19:01] microsoft rox making stuff for us to play with [19:01] willca (n=willca@c-24-19-63-203.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:01] well i dont want to spend unnecessary money, i just need something i can do just about anything on without having to buy new stuff. something that's going to be very fast, intensely good graphics, is going to last a long time, and is extreeemely compatible with linux [19:01] xbox is pretty neat, had one. :P [19:02] spend less on the ram and cpu [19:02] ferdna (n=ferdna@24.92.112.49) left irc: Client Quit [19:03] Action: dartmouth wishes quad-core was what it sounded like [19:03] get a decent SLi 3way x8 mobo [19:03] and slap some GTx cards in it [19:03] sli? 3way? x8? gtx? [19:03] linux supported and not too expensive and will still last you 3 or 4 years. [19:04] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.157.147) joined ##slackware. [19:04] sec [19:04] pgeek|| (i=pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) left irc: Operation timed out [19:04] Action: dartmouth dies from lack of understanding in a disussion using his mother tongue [19:06] going for a single, dual or triple display :P setup ? [19:06] that would be quite neat; hoping to use one monitor to always show tail -f /var/log/dmesg and the other to be the main display [19:07] http://www.techspot.com/review/90-asus-striker-too-extreme/ [19:07] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:08] i have no idea wtf im looking at lol. that thing looks like it wouldn't even fit in the case I had piked out. [19:08] :/ that case is way too small for anything to last [19:08] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133168 [19:08] you going have alot of heat issues with SLi and small boards [19:08] oh [19:09] well i really dislike towers [19:09] i could splurge on a better case, I guess, but the flat ones are hard to find [19:10] well with the way you want to build what you want [19:10] the mobo and casing is going to have some serious heat issues. [19:11] oh, well, yeah, hadn't thought of that. [19:11] one of the down side with all these nice new CPUs and GFX cards [19:11] heat heat heat [19:12] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112082 [19:12] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.12.209) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:12] that looks a little bigger, and it's still stackable [19:13] if the base cases are all heat issues i could just keep the one i have now and just leave it open i guess, but that sucks :P [19:15] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left ##slackware. [19:15] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.70.64) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:15] the gfx cards will be the problem [19:15] plus intel/crossfire seems to be the way to go for the next few years if you into games and design [19:16] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [19:16] for gfx i had this picked out: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102858 [19:17] raela (i=1000@cpe-67-241-21-88.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:18] e01 (n=OSCorp01@213.169.52.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:18] raela (i=1000@cpe-67-241-21-88.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:18] unless you can find a AMD/crosffire then price and performance it has the upper hand again for the coming few years. [19:19] pprkut: thanks for the help, P-Dog [19:19] I prefer those gfx cards with huge heatsinks [19:19] dartmouth: the case in that link looks like it would have potentialy poor cooling [19:19] Nick change: mako-dono -> mako-sama [19:19] briareus: np [19:19] andarius: black or silver? [19:19] black [19:20] andarius: told him :P but he hates big towers [19:20] andarius: im hearing that about all the 'base' cases [19:20] last thing i want is a heating issue [19:20] then you are looking at the wrong cases [19:20] any suggestions for base cases? [19:20] that black case has no airflow over the HDs and no directed airflow at all, making it a poor cooler [19:21] dartmouth: sadly for what you want to build you are stuck with massive big boxes [19:21] nickstolen: stackable big boxes? [19:21] lol [19:21] pprkut: actually, if I'm not mistaken, the slackbuild of vbox doesn't install to /opt, right? becausae I'd sure like to nuke that /opt/Virtualbox for space reasons [19:21] you have no choice really dual gfx and quadcores [19:22] why does it need to be stackable? and almost any rectangle of a mid-tower is stackable on its side [19:22] kiyoura (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:22] andarius: because im possibly going to buy several [19:22] pgeek|| (i=pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) joined ##slackware. [19:22] dartmouth: what for? [19:22] then I would look at regular old rectangle mid-towers [19:23] briareus: nope, my SlackBuilds install to /usr [19:23] briareus: gluttony [19:23] kiyoura (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:23] hm ... I lost 'man' [19:23] Nick change: Miroku -> Sesshomaru [19:23] go that way ----> [19:24] dartmouth: mid tower v9 or armor series for cooling. [19:24] no, I mean the program [19:24] it isn't here where it should be [19:24] http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Category.aspx?C=1122 [19:24] which man [19:24] oh these are quite nice [19:24] man-1.6 [19:24] I'm using slackware 13.0 [19:24] no, use the command :which man [19:24] maybe i should just do the tower and splurge on something with a black mirror front [19:25] armor have better cooling solutions. [19:25] and did you install it? [19:25] acording to /var/log/packages/man.. it should be in /usr/bin [19:25] andarius: I did not install it - it was installed per default [19:25] w4lk (n=w4lk@cpe-071-068-224-209.sc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:25] and now it isn't there [19:25] hm .. [19:26] theblackerbox (n=sammo@92.25.241.66) joined ##slackware. [19:26] nickstolen: http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?C=1327&ID=1462 [19:26] i am on a slackware64 13 server, it is where it should be [19:26] andarius: which: no man in (/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib/java/bin:/usr/lib/qt/bin:/usr/share/texmf/bin:.:/usr/lib/java/bin:/home/tetsuo/bin:/usr/lib/java/bin) [19:26] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-81-250.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:27] I just installed my system today [19:27] dartmouth: thats a nice one with proper airflow. rather expensive thou almost bought that. [19:27] if the package is installed and the file is not around either it was removed or you have other issues. try reinstalling it ? [19:27] andarius: where are the tgz's stored? [19:28] they are stored on the install media [19:28] Action: akira42 didn't read the slackbook that far :( [19:28] hm [19:28] akira42: ls /var/log/packages | grep man [19:28] another method would be slackpkg [19:29] Dominian: it shows several packages, including man-1.6f and man-pages-3.22 [19:29] akira42, cat /var/log/packages/man-1* | grep bin/ [19:30] thrice`: that makes 7 lines ... including usr/bin/man [19:30] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [19:30] you are not on a drive with limited space are you ? [19:30] no [19:31] quite plenty space left [19:31] hmm, i would reinstall the package [19:31] are you on 64-bit? [19:31] about 15 GB for / [19:31] more than enough [19:31] no, 32-bit [19:31] andarius: where can I get the tgz? the slackare package browser is broken [19:31] and "/usr/bin/man bash" will work ? [19:32] package browser? [19:32] thrice`: /usr/bin/man doesn't exist [19:32] O__o ok, I thought it just wasn't being called. sorry :) [19:32] reinstall it [19:32] watching for errors [19:32] straterra: http://packages.slackware.it/ [19:33] ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/slackware/ap/man-1.6f-i486-2.txz [19:33] wget, and blahh blahh :) [19:33] .txz? [19:33] yes [19:33] the lz-format, irrc [19:33] Instained_Atom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:34] is used as of 13 [19:34] Instained_Atom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [19:34] andarius: for reinstalling, I should ude upgradepkg, or? [19:34] whats the prefer fs favour nowadays for slackware reiserfs or ext3? [19:35] normaly i would say upgradepkg, but you may want to removepkg, then installpkg [19:35] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) left ##slackware. [19:35] as something has gone wrong and it would be nice to know what [19:35] upgradepkg --reinstall :) [19:36] reinstalled, it is there [19:36] odd that it was not to begin with [19:36] and still I don't understand why it was gone [19:36] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:36] nickstolen: what is with ext4? [19:37] did you md5sum the install media ? [19:37] grep rm /root/.bash_history | grep man ? :) [19:37] mm, you are using ext4 ? [19:37] andarius: no [19:37] akira42: don;t know never used ext4 before [19:37] andarius: yes ... >.> don't say ext4 is not mature [19:38] don't want to reinstall everything [19:38] mmkay, it is normal for files to randomly disappear [19:38] lol [19:38] it's a feature, "defragging" [19:38] always been reiferfs. UFS or FFS :P [19:38] andarius: WHAT :O [19:38] this is notthe first instance i have heard of such on ext4 [19:38] oh damn it [19:41] andarius: what are the other instances you have heard from? which other files disappeard? [19:41] a few in here have had issues if i recall. a bit of googling turns up more than i care to read [19:41] I don't want to worry about my lovely files ... I love them all so much >.> [19:42] akira42, I've had ext4 eat an entire / [19:42] is reiserfs still prone to corrupted files on sudden poweroff/ hard reboots? [19:42] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [19:43] nickstolen: i have used reiserfs for several years with no issues [19:43] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:43] hm ... [19:43] not used ext3 or reiserfs in years and anything I find on google is old [19:43] is there some way to downgrade from ext4 to ext3? [19:43] nickstolen: every time i see your nick i thin of nickelodeon -_- [19:43] nope [19:43] i think* [19:44] deco: harhar someone else is using my nick on freenode it seeems :/ [19:44] nickstolen: oh :(, you didn't register it ? [19:44] so this was the first thing that came to my mind. [19:44] lol [19:44] nickstolen: how creative [19:44] na not been on freenode for years. [19:44] oh ok [19:45] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:52] is KDE 4.2.4 ok for a production desktop or would I be better off using KDE3.5+ ? might just end up using blackbox or similiar. [19:52] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:52] nickstolen: neither are even remotely appropriate for a production environment. xfce is great when tweaked. [19:52] depends who you ask, and your definition of "production" [19:53] or what thrice said lol [19:53] lol [19:53] darn you for being more right than i am haha [19:53] production = design, browsing, dreadful wine and office. [19:54] I just noticed alot of google links related to installing kde3.5+ instead but no argumuement given why. [19:55] some people like it, otheres hate it [19:56] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:56] and yet others absolutely despise it. ;) [19:57] and others just the mention of *any* kde version makes them puke in there mouth just a little. :P [19:57] Action: fire|bird points at chopp [19:58] thrice`: I'm getting Fedora customized up, but I can't find the nvidia prop drivers. :P [19:58] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [19:59] fire|bird: rmpfusion ? [19:59] rpm* [19:59] fire|bird, tried nouveau, out of curiosity? [19:59] not there [19:59] :o [19:59] thrice`: going to, yeah. [19:59] fire|bird: use debian ;-) hahaha [19:59] thrice`: I see that 12 has open source broadcom drivers too, for some chipsets [20:00] yeah - that's pretty awesome [20:00] :P debian/fedora both just as bloated and confusing. [20:00] phreak (n=phreak@pool-151-204-157-206.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:00] nickstolen: confusing to the weak mind ;-) [20:00] use Suse ! [20:00] Action: nickstolen hides [20:00] :o [20:00] lol [20:01] I will never touch SUSE in this lifetime, had to maintain 3 servers in one of my previous jobs [20:01] freaking nightmare. [20:01] yeah [20:01] deco: nah, I'll leave you to use Debian. ;) [20:02] Novell killed it, it was slighty better before Novell bought them over. [20:02] thrice`: Last night, I had 94 updates, today I boot to Fedora, I have 40 :P [20:02] fire|bird: winter and i... T_T [20:03] winter and you what? got married? :P [20:03] lol look to see redhat is still the same regardless of what name it uses. [20:03] s/look/good/ [20:03] fire|bird: nope ... sadly :( [20:03] Hey guys. I hate to be a nuisance cuz I know its not that important, but I just hate when things don't work properly. But I'm running slack13 and compiz is running REALLY slow for me and I can't pinpoint the problem. Anyone have any suggestions? [20:05] Hmm, looks like rpmfusion just hasn't got drivers for 12 yet. [20:05] 11 has them. [20:06] Instained_Atom: too bleeding edge even for rpmfusion :P [20:07] tab fail [20:08] oh wtf [20:08] Action: deco hides in the darkness [20:08] Action: fire|bird sends Bigfoot after deco into the darkness. [20:09] Anjo_Malvado (i=1000@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [20:10] fire|bird: i have winter ;-) [20:10] I'm using an intel 945GM chipset and I believe i have my xorg.conf configured correctly [20:11] Tassis- (n=tassis@valadares.broker.freenet6.net) joined ##slackware. [20:11] bah, empathy crashed, yet it retained what was typed after the crash. [20:11] nickstolen: which versions of suse? [20:12] Tassis (n=tassis@unaffiliated/tassis) left irc: No route to host [20:12] think was 8 enterprise or was it something before. don't recall quite a while back [20:13] riddlebox (n=james@75.132.225.75) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:13] 8 was the first one. i can't blame you, some things weren't as polished as others. [20:13] 10 was very good, 11 is great [20:14] i got 10 somewhere :/ was not impressed [20:14] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:14] plus quite a few of my mates used to work for suse and they don't use SUSE either :P [20:14] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:15] YAST did live up to it's name thou. Yet another Sucky tool. [20:15] that's interesting. we find it to be a very useful framework for various decent modules [20:16] certainly better than anything we've seen on other distros [20:16] maybe now it is. Not touched it in ages :) hence I said did. [20:17] granted, some people think of yast as only the package manager. before opensuse 11.0 and sles 11, its performance was piss poor [20:17] nickstolen: you should try it. certainly would give you a fresh look, especially since the market for enterprise distros is fairly small [20:17] Well thanks anyway guys [20:18] phreak: sorry don;t know about it enough to help. [20:18] on that note, centos 5.4 is out [20:18] nickstolen: It's cool. Thanks. [20:18] ananke: I think ubuntu and fedora have the upper hand in Spain at least. [20:18] ananke: oh, awesome. [20:18] SUSE I can understand if in Germany. [20:19] nickstolen: the 'suse in germany' is a misnomer. it's popular in other places. i wouldn't consider fedora and ubuntu to be in the same category [20:19] Afteral management don't know the diff between dos or nix they just care about support and price. [20:19] They still use dos? o.O [20:20] some do [20:20] drdos rocks you ! [20:20] dos and unix are not comparable to most managements [20:20] I know of at least two places that still use dos ~_~ [20:20] ananke: don't know about that alot of major banking institutions use fedora. [20:21] nickstolen: such as? [20:21] i can't imagine any financial institution would use fedora, that simply is counterproductive. lifespan is too short to be of much use [20:21] ananke: citibank has a micture of os/400 and fedora. [20:22] mm two japanese banks use fedora can;t remember the names offhand. [20:22] nickstolen: do you have any sources for that? 'citibank fedora' doesn't return anything useful on google [20:22] ack 2am and typos starting [20:23] Do they use fedora..or RHEL? [20:23] arg sorry I meant RHEL [20:23] straterra: rhel would make sense, fedora doesn't :) [20:23] That's...drastically different [20:23] 2am dont ask me serious quesitons ffs :P [20:23] ananke: Oh, I know [20:23] nickstolen: yeah, world of difference [20:24] actually coe to think of it wtf uses fedora. [20:24] wtf being what exactly? [20:24] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [20:24] phreak (n=phreak@pool-151-204-157-206.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:24] who. [20:24] who the* [20:25] nickstolen: so that was a question? i would have expected a question mark at the end [20:25] 2am .... [20:25] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [20:26] so what are you doing up? go to sleep [20:26] waiting for backups to be done daddy. [20:27] ccfreak2k (i=ccfreak2@li26-205.members.linode.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:27] ccfreak2k (i=ccfreak2@li26-205.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [20:27] You have to babysit your backups? [20:28] nickstolen: last i checked, nasa houston does [20:29] nickstolen: and a friend of mine does as well [20:29] friends dont let friends use fedora [20:29] nickstolen: as he gets on my nerves with his absolute incompetence on thee shell [20:30] fedora isn't so bad. [20:30] jeev: it's either fedora or suse [20:30] nitro25 (n=nitro25@72.230.179.21) joined ##slackware. [20:30] it;s pretty nice for a out of the box desktop [20:30] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [20:30] jeev: i'm afraid to let him have his hands on slack [20:31] later folks [20:31] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [20:31] later [20:31] thou ubuntu seems to be doing a good job for people wanting to get into an open source desktop. [20:32] but if he keeps annoying me, i'll install slack on his box and lock it down so he can't screw it up [20:33] nyRednek: :P just give him a knoppix livecd. [20:33] nickstolen: livecd won't work for him [20:33] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [20:33] nickstolen: he needs a virtualbox for some of his software [20:35] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:36] it's neat how newer distros have hybrid isos: you can burn them on cd or dump them on usb stick [without dorking around with unetbootin] [20:36] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [20:36] ananke: yeah too bad my laptop nor desktop boot from usb [20:36] nyRednek: let him use windows then :P? [20:36] at least I don't think my desktop does.. it might [20:36] nickstolen: he has more issues with windows than with linux [20:37] and he annoys me more with that [20:37] lol how is that possible? [20:37] Dominian: I didn't think my laptop did, until I found the USB option under hard drives in the BIOS. [20:37] hrm [20:37] drag him to macstore and buy him a foolprove imac. [20:37] nickstolen: he'd find a way to screw that up too [20:37] and my Desktop doesn't show USB unless a USB stick is connected, then it shows up in the boot order. [20:38] don't know it's pretty hard to screw up a mac if you don;t have su [20:38] mesaGL (n=mesaGL@unaffiliated/mesagl) left irc: [20:38] kowa (i=kowalczy@237-160.neasonline.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:38] this guy wiped ubuntu because he couldn't figure out alien(for a package he insisted he needed) [20:38] Kowalczyk (i=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:38] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-226-240.dsl.scarlet.be) joined ##slackware. [20:39] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Client Quit [20:39] start charging him hourly rates :P [20:40] nickstolen: i'm about to [20:40] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:40] nickstolen: and the mean hourly rate for onsite pc service in NYC is right around $85 [20:41] kowa (i=kowalczy@237-160.neasonline.no) joined ##slackware. [20:41] wtf [20:41] I moving to the states [20:41] nyRednek: my dream job [20:41] nickstolen: where are you from ? [20:41] deco: it was between $50 and $65 in arkansas [20:41] In Germany I used to charge people 20euros a hour and they would whine ( when I was unemployed ) [20:41] deco hard to answer that one. [20:42] Nationality = German [20:42] nickstolen: where were you born [20:42] Paris [20:42] :P [20:42] ok :P [20:42] nickstolen: can I pm you? :D [20:42] :o [20:42] :O [20:42] :O [20:42] whoops, just borked my fedora xorg. :P [20:42] sorry mummy says this nany alert irssi plugin will sound if I get Pm'd [20:43] phoenix^: yeah the nivida drivers .... [20:43] deco: nope [20:43] phoenix^: fail then [20:43] phoenix^: what did you do ? [20:43] phoenix^: i'm about to install solaris on it and lock him out...telling him this IS real unix and he can use it like any normal user [20:43] Kowalczyk (i=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.no) joined ##slackware. [20:44] nyRednek: cool. OpenSolaris is awesome. [20:44] phoenix^: who said open? [20:44] :o [20:44] lol [20:44] deco: I made a xorg.conf with X -configure. [20:44] phoenix^: :( [20:44] nyRednek: I did, just mentioning that I like osol. :P I've never used Solaris, just OpenSolaris. [20:44] phoenix^: i was going to just put solaris 10 on it(his machine is a p3 [20:45] oh [20:45] deco: It was easily fixed with an rm -rf /etc/X11/xorg.conf [20:45] whats a good bare metal VM to run? [20:45] and lock him into cde [20:45] fwc: qemu is nice [20:45] isnt qemu.. not bare metal? haha [20:45] fwc: you want bare metal, bochs [20:45] yeah, but w/e lol [20:46] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.25) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:46] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.25) joined ##slackware. [20:46] deco: I have xfce installed on it. I was going to try gnome 3, but I need prop drivers. [20:46] ive never done anything with VMs, hmm :\ heh [20:46] cricket[b] (i=cricket@ip98-164-87-51.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:46] fwc: bochs is a barebones x86 emulator [20:47] fwc: meaning, you gotta do a lot of stuph manually [20:47] nyRednek: hah oh boy [20:47] but that's the Slackware way, so you'll be fine. :P [20:47] fwc: the good news, documentation is abundant [20:47] nyRednek: no comments/experience on VMware stuff? [20:47] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62.47.137.58) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [20:47] doing stuff manually that is. [20:48] solaris on a pc :/ [20:48] make him buy a ultra 10 for 50USD [20:48] lol [20:48] What's wrong with Solaris on a PC? :P [20:48] nickstolen: it beats a cracked sco os5 [20:48] guys, isn't there any repository available with the binarys of the SBo? [20:48] i like having actual control over everything.. damn ubuntu users and their OMIGOSH PACKAGING SYSTEM.. STUFF IS BROKEN! :P [20:49] although, compiling Xorg still looks scary.. hell downloading it looks scary. [20:49] Action: nyRednek refuses to give a dime to caldera/sco [20:49] my pc is sitting here for 3 hours compiling the updates from 12.2 -> 13.0 from SBo.... [20:49] this almost seems like gentoo!!! [20:49] Kaapa, what kind of PC? and whats SBo? O.o [20:49] Action: BP{k} slaps fwc [20:49] Kaapa: No. SBo does not publish binaries. [20:50] haha what! [20:50] baaah [20:50] what is SBo! [20:50] fwc: sbo = slackbuilds.org [20:50] I love SBo! I trust SBo! I sign the "I know what I'm doing" clause [20:50] woa woa, you guys dont just.. download source and do it all by hand?! [20:50] Gimme me binaries!!!!! [20:50] fwc: sometimes [20:50] you use build scripts?! [20:50] :P [20:50] Action: andarius was hoping sbo = sweet bahama orgy :o [20:50] thats way too fancy for me [20:51] fwc: Don't worry. We write the build scripts by hand with vi. [20:51] andarius: WAKE UP, stop typing your dreams in irc again. :P [20:51] fwc: one day you'll get to a stage where you'll actually have work to do and don't want to loose time with that thing [20:51] fwc: the reasoning behind using build scripts==cleaner removal of programs we don't want to keep [20:51] :( [20:51] fwc: emacs [20:51] Alan_Hicks: you dont use echo, tail, and head? :P [20:51] not vi [20:51] andarius: not that I'm saying not to dream, but...... :P [20:52] sco os5 OMG think that was my first taste of *nix if you mean SCO system V. [20:52] nickstolen: no, the current sco openserver is still in version 5.xx [20:52] nickstolen: unixware is in version 7 still [20:52] fwc: Well, no. I prefer ex. [20:53] ah not OS 5 then [20:53] tbh i hate vi, i was working on some embedded stuff.. and thats all it had. i used cat/echo/head/tail to do configs, i think that scared people at work [20:53] Alan_Hicks: I see you have moved a bit closer to the modern world. I still thought you were using magnets to move the inodes around ;) [20:53] nickstolen: openserver 5 is sco's flagship of AT&T Sys VR4 os's [20:54] nickstolen: and, tbh, openserver 5 is not a pure sysVr4...it's more like sysVr3.5 [20:54] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:54] nitro25 (n=nitro25@72.230.179.21) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [20:54] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:54] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [20:54] nyRednek: k I thought SCO was dead didn;t think they was anything after the late 80s early 90s [20:55] nickstolen: well, caldera bought sco's operating systems and renamed themselves sco [20:55] BP{k}: I would still do that, but my eyes are getting weaker so it's hard to see the inodes. [20:55] :)) [20:55] nickstolen: and have spent several years making more money through litigation than operations(hence no new version of their operating systems) [20:56] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-135-56.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [20:56] nickstolen: what is sad, i used to be a sco authorized service rep [20:56] XD [20:56] What is sad, is that SCO used to need authorized service reps. [20:57] Oh how far the once mighty has fallen. [20:57] Alan_Hicks: well, they only needed us to install it on servers, and let it go [20:57] Alan_Hicks: i remember maintaining a box that had been up for more than a decade [20:57] SCO UNIX on x86 up for a decade? I find that hard to believe. [20:58] I heard about the lawsuits and so on, don't usually bother following that sort of news. [20:58] Alan_Hicks: it was on a 486, for a medical office [20:58] Nick change: NameStolen -> NaCl [20:58] lol the two servers wee had were lucky if they were up for 1week stright [20:59] nickstolen: and that's why you needed a service rep...to configure it correctly the first time [20:59] I think I still have the original admin and system handbooks somewhere. [20:59] My first taste of "Unix" [20:59] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@216.145.101.109) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [21:00] spend two weeks of late night sin the office. [21:00] One of my clients still runs SCO. [21:00] Cardiologist. That old box has been running forever. [21:00] Alan_Hicks: i moved all of my clients to solaris after caldera bought it [21:01] Alan_Hicks: basically told them that if they wanted their stuff updated, they had to move over to that [21:01] nyRednek: Reasonably smart move there. [21:01] then caldera tried to claim that i had violated a noncompetition agreement [21:02] kowa (i=kowalczy@237-160.neasonline.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:02] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:02] my lawyer sent them a statement claiming that the company i had agreed not to compete against no longer existed [21:02] Kowalczyk (i=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:03] nyRednek: That's technically incorrect. The company you agreed not to compete with still did exist, but wasn't selling UNIX anymore. [21:03] sun paid me $100 an install to migrate from sco...and gave them licenses for solaris for $200 an upgrade [21:03] Alan_Hicks: the original sco dissolved after selling openserver, and their web product now belongs to sun [21:03] so it was technically correct as it applied to the unix i was supporting [21:04] nyRednek: Not really, they just moved their business to tarantella. [21:04] tarantella now belongs to sun [21:04] Yes, but not at that time it didn't. [21:05] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:06] Alan_Hicks: right, but, according to tarantella(formerly sco), at the time, the santa cruz operation no longer existed...and the "sco group"(formerly caldera) had bought their operating system products, but not the noncompetition agreements that were signed with the santa cruz operation [21:06] Wasn't there soemthing about MS or IBm buying sun a few years back ? [21:06] nickstolen: sun is still independant [21:07] repharse wanting to buy [21:07] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [21:07] evening all. [21:07] nickstolen: maybe [21:07] nickstolen: ibm has a major unix investment [21:07] nickstolen: so it would make sense [21:07] I thought IBM bought up parts of SUN [21:07] evening agentc0re [21:07] Sun isn't really independant anymore. Oracle is buying it. [21:07] phoenix^: how goes it tonight? [21:07] agentc0re: goes alright. you? [21:07] Alan_Hicks: heh you serious? [21:08] IBM was rumored to be talking with Sun about a purchase, but then denied that rumor, and a month later Oracle announced their agreement to acquire. [21:08] Alan_Hicks: even if oracle owns sun, sun will continue their venture of sparc stations and servers [21:08] Alan_Hicks: ya, saw a /. article today about how they are having to fire employees because the deal is taking a long time or some bs. [21:08] http://www.oracle.com/us/sun/index.htm [21:08] phoenix^: I'm not at work, so that's a plus. [21:08] :D [21:08] lol [21:09] Alan_Hicks: i've forgotten a lot of that stuff, since i've focused on linux for a little while now [21:09] agentc0re: How's the purple knee and toe nail-less toes doing? :P [21:10] phoenix^: g'evening :) [21:10] phoenix^: knee is much better. My leg is no longer purple. nail-less is okay so far... still painful at time, and even worse when my 150# dogs step on my feet. [21:10] evening BP{k}, how goes? [21:10] agentc0re: ouch, I bet that hurts. [21:11] i wonder if pat is going to put up a hat or shirt with the slack64 logo(binary for 64 replacing linux in the traditional logo) [21:11] phoenix^: Ya, just a little.. [21:11] :P [21:11] Sun Germany laid off more then 700 employees a couple of months ago. [21:14] agentc0re: Just get a couple of thost plastic boots or whatever they give you with a hurt foot/lower leg. :P [21:15] phoenix^: not bad .. doing some scripting :) [21:16] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:16] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.36.49) joined ##slackware. [21:18] BP{k}: nice. I'm just messing with Fedora, which is reminding me how great slack is. :P [21:18] BP{k}: sounds like fun. [21:19] speaking of which, dependency issues just struck. :P [21:19] agentc0re: it's a half serious attempt to clean some items of my "todo list of doomliness" [21:19] lol [21:19] Action: deco is trying to make a cms [21:20] Action: deco but is failing [21:20] doomliness... nice word! :D i wonder what lies under the doomliness..... [21:20] holy crap, there's over 100 missing deps that it didn't install. Thank you automatic dependency resolution. [21:20] taking over the world? [21:20] phoenix^: no, that's a feature. [21:20] agentc0re: a feature that should be removed. [21:21] phoenix^, lol [21:21] okay, either I become crazy or ext4 is fucked up ... files disaper, other files apper without reason ... help me o.O [21:21] lol [21:21] I used Yumex, which shows errors in red, the screen was FULL OF RED> [21:21] s/>/./ [21:22] akira42: that's a feature of ext4 ;) [21:22] akira42, there is no help; ext4 sucks. use it if you choose to [21:22] akira42: change FS, consider yourself helped [21:22] phoenix^: i think the problem is that you don't have a large enough screen. [21:22] :(, that's what she said. :P [21:22] andarius: how can I change the FS other than to reinstall my system? [21:22] phoenix^: lol [21:22] akira42: you can't [21:22] :( [21:23] migrate with another drive if you have a spare. if not... reinstall [21:23] brb, reinstalling everything [21:23] agentc0re: If ya can't joke about yourself, who can you joke about, eh? :P [21:23] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-176-085.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:23] akira42: get another drive [21:23] and there he goes [21:23] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:23] oy [21:23] phoenix^: jews? ;) [21:23] :o [21:23] it isn't really THAT hard to move slack over to another drive [21:24] Action: agentc0re runs [21:24] :P [21:24] haha [21:24] Action: nyRednek is jewish, so? [21:24] Anjo_Malvado (i=1000@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: ":)" [21:24] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [21:24] agentc0re: that reminded me of that Lisa Lampinelli (sp?) that uses the term jewbastards. :P [21:25] ..... [21:25] hahah [21:25] deco: She's a comedian, you wouldn't understand. ;) [21:25] deco: get back on your blanket. [21:25] chopp: he wet the blanket, it's concrete floor now. [21:25] lol [21:25] ..... [21:26] isn't that the woman who sings the praises of sucking off men of color? [21:26] nyRednek: yes [21:26] deco has a concrete floor? [21:26] oh god [21:26] :o [21:26] phoenix^: yeah, she's an annoying whore, not very funny, certainly not witty [21:26] agentc0re: yeah, newly installed, was dirt and gravel last week. [21:26] i_is_broke (n=scrappyc@98.212.246.217) joined ##slackware. [21:26] nyRednek: yeah, agreed. [21:27] phoenix^ dries my wet blankets [21:27] then drinks the urine [21:27] of them [21:27] :o [21:27] trying to get slack 13 set up on a virtual box install , anyone else have issues with x not wanting to start? [21:27] Action: deco fades to darkness [21:27] i_is_broke: how much memory did you give it? [21:27] Action: phoenix^ sends agentc0re's 150# dogs after deco. [21:28] nyRednek, i gave it 512 not including video [21:28] i_is_broke: never had the issue, but never tried to virtualbox install slack 13 [21:29] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:29] hmmm..ok let me see what i can figure out..thanks anyways. [21:29] i_is_broke: did you use the SBo? [21:29] i_is_broke: Oh, nm. i read that wrong. [21:29] i_is_broke: yeah, you need to install the virtualbox guest additions sbo [21:30] ill try that and see what happens...cant do no more then blow up..lol [21:30] i_is_broke: i doubt it will do that [21:30] i_is_broke: i remember that those guest additions have a kernel module in them [21:31] i_is_broke: it may fix your x issue [21:31] ah it might let me see ...ill reload and start again just to make sure...thanks for the insight .. [21:32] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:40] nyRednek, I have a friend same problem [21:40] dive: great, thanks. :) [21:41] his painkillers dont actually kill the pain they just dope him out [21:41] dive: yeah...looks like i'm on my way to being disabled...unfortunately [21:41] dive: same here [21:41] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:41] dive: my painkillers dull it a bit and make me really sleepy [21:41] yeah [21:42] dive: hopefully, i can get some extra certification from vocational rehab to go back into the tech work [21:42] dive: you know, let them finance my ibm and sun certs(my certs have lapsed for more than 5 years) [21:42] that's the way I went some years ago - did an Audio Visual course [21:43] and, along with that, take a redhat cert(the only good cert i know of that says linux) [21:44] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:44] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [21:44] update my a+ and net+(people don't like to see certs from the 90s nowadays) [21:45] maybe finish it up with oracle dba and cisco ccna [21:50] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:50] there is a linux+ too I believe [21:50] not really looked into it though [21:50] obviously RH would be better and more in depth [21:50] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:50] but oracle and cisco are good [21:50] hai [21:51] anyone know how to open access database on linux ? [21:51] thrice`: I tried installing some development stuff in Fedora, and I get TONS of missing dependency stuff, it tries to remove stuff that the other stuff I'm installing depends on. :P [21:51] anavel: you use ms access to export to sql then you can move it to any open source sql database [21:52] ok. thanks [21:52] anavel: but there is no direct way to open an access file [21:52] i c. [21:52] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:52] nyRednek: can i use Ooo after that to open it ? [21:53] anavel: yes, after exporting to sql, you can import sql queries into ooobase [21:53] ok. thanks :) [21:53] s/ooobase/oobase [21:53] anavel: i do this kind of thing all the time for people trying to move to open source [21:54] anavel: i'd suggest you ensure that all your files will open under open source windows apps first, then you can move them to linux [21:54] anavel: any office2007 files will also need to be verified before the move [21:55] anavel: and use mozilla thunderbird in windows to import your outlook( or outlook express) settings [21:55] then you can copy that over into your user account [21:55] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-144-43.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:56] ic. thank you :) [21:57] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-81-250.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "leaving" [21:57] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-144-43.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:58] anavel: and remember, have fun...if you get too stressed, you don't learn well, and there is a slight learning curve between windows and linux [21:59] Tassis- (n=tassis@valadares.broker.freenet6.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:00] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:00] yeah. [22:00] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:01] anavel: are you moving to slack or another? [22:02] well, i use slack since long long time ago. in a galaxy far far away :D [22:02] ah... [22:02] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:02] but, want to migrate access to linux. [22:02] too much viruses on windows [22:03] yeah, the way, export your access databases to sql [22:04] then after, import sql to oobase [22:04] will try it. bbl. [22:06] anavel: ok... [22:07] Tassis (n=tassis@unaffiliated/tassis) joined ##slackware. [22:11] kowa (i=kowalczy@237-160.neasonline.no) joined ##slackware. [22:14] CrYpTo1 (n=CrYpTo@ip68-224-51-178.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:19] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:20] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [22:20] _dogsoul (i=doggy@root.slackbox.org) joined ##slackware. [22:21] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-176-085.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [22:22] return [22:25] anavel, I migrated an access db by exporting as spreadsheet and then copy/pasting it into a new oo base [22:25] everyone gone sleeping? :( [22:25] not yet :P [22:25] :) [22:26] seems that I can't have window effects on kde4 with my T42 [22:26] :( [22:26] and urxvt is a bit fskced up too [22:26] the only advice I'v had from #kde is upgrade ;/ [22:26] does slackware still prefer KDE as WM ? like in v10 and v11 ? [22:27] KDE is a DE, not WM [22:27] anyone got kde 4.3 packages available? [22:27] dive: vbatts does, 32 and 64bit [22:27] dive: vbatts has 4.3.1 for 13.0 and 4.3.2 for -current [22:27] right, DE, i mean [22:27] on web? [22:27] dive: http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/kde4-packages/ [22:27] nice :) [22:27] 4.3.2 is built against current, fyi. [22:27] dive: http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/kde4-packages/ [22:27] FAIL [22:28] how is that fail? [22:28] what fail? where [22:28] Action: BP{k} smacks thrice` [22:28] oh, I thought BP{k} said it twice [22:28] no, I said it first. :) [22:28] ahh thrice` was drawing attention to his own FAIL! [22:28] so, thrice` fail. ;) [22:28] :( [22:29] thrice`: Have you tried installing any of Fedora's Development tools or anything? It fails for me. :P [22:29] mm, nope. you can do a group install I think, though [22:30] that's what I tried, I got missing dependency errors like they were going out of style. [22:30] I tried yumex too, and got the same thing. [22:30] jeo (n=jeo@24.5.73.175) joined ##slackware. [22:31] nbnds: perhaps it makes KDE the default choice .. when it is installed, but you can easily change that during install or later. [22:31] hi guys, does anyone know for sure how much hard disk space a full install of Slackware 13 32 bit should take? [22:31] har: about 5GB [22:31] I'm getting conflicting answers by searching [22:32] kowa (i=kowalczy@237-160.neasonline.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:32] BP{k}: thanks, that's what I was thinking, I only allocated 10 for / and it's full already [22:32] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.177) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:32] har: 10 what? [22:32] but some DEs are better fitted in into ditributions by developers than others, in times of S-10 and S-11 slackware was the only distribution which provided bug-free KDE environment [22:33] sorry 10 GB [22:33] BP{k}: sure he means GB [22:33] har: it should fit well within that. [22:33] akira42: but without knowing/asking it's just an assumption. [22:34] hmmmm, do the files created from using sbopkg in /tmp usually take quite a bit? I've been using that and haven't cleaned out that directory [22:34] BP{k}: but the nearest assumption, because every other assumption is miles away :P [22:34] akira42: you be suprised ;) [22:34] har: They can add up to consume alot, yes. [22:34] yes, I should have been more clear with the 10 GB [22:35] Action: deco only has 1 gig left [22:35] thanks phoenix [22:35] Action: akira42 just uses 40 GB of his 160 GB disk [22:35] Lets all spam deco and knock him offline with a gazillion "No space left on device" errors. [22:35] lol [22:35] noooOOOO!! :( [22:35] cjambe (n=user@129.97.99.15) joined ##slackware. [22:35] hello [22:35] In which file should I write "hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda" to get it executed after suspend resume? [22:36] 1 GB ... with a version of Damn Small Linux I could survive with that [22:36] damn dvd taking 4 gigs plus the 4 gig iso [22:36] but i love kamelot [22:37] hmm virtualbox is interesting [22:37] thanks for the help guys [22:38] har: have you already deleted the content in your /tmp? [22:38] wanted to know how big it was :/ [22:38] my /tmp/SBo/ has been known to reach 3GB [22:39] deco: how about burning the iso and deleting the file? [22:41] BP{k}: my /tmp/SBo right now is 1.3G, /tmp is 2.6G [22:41] akira42: working on that now [22:42] akira42: no because the dvd was got messed up it was dvd rw [22:42] /s/was// [22:43] har: what does 'du -hsc /tmp/SBo' output? [22:44] akira42 2.8 [22:44] nacho_ (n=nacho@190.51.43.251) joined ##slackware. [22:45] grrrr gonna have to go outside -_- [22:45] to the *real world* [22:45] see ya [22:45] deco (n=deco@69.108.88.254) left irc: "leaving" [22:45] there he goes ... and the land where the pizza man lives [22:46] s/and/in [22:47] akira42: 2.8GB :) [22:48] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.36.49) left irc: Nick collision from services. [22:48] Nick change: nacho_ -> nachox [22:48] har: hm ... 5GB + 2.8 GB = 7.8 GB -> 10 - 7.8 = 2.2 GB free space? [22:48] har: what partitions you have? [22:49] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:50] heret|c (n=heretic@c-68-32-70-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] so before i attack this.... anyone wanna give me any tips on the troubles i'm gonna run into setting up my wireless? [22:52] which chipset jeo ? [22:52] BP{k}: I have / = ~10GB /home = 2**GB and about a gig for swap [22:52] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:54] intel on a dell laptop ;/ [22:54] har: right that makes sense than .. that gives you about 7GB of swap :) [22:54] uhm .. 7GB of installable space [22:54] and with your full /tmp .. that gave problems [22:54] jeo, that's a good sign :) do you know which intel, specifically ? [22:55] give me 2 min thrice i'll figger it out [22:55] jeo, are you on linux now? [22:56] yesir [22:56] BP{k}: yeah, that makes sense [22:56] jeo, cool, open a terminal and try: "lspci | grep -i wireless" [22:57] akira42: what exactly is in that /tmp/SBo dir, is that safe to delete? [22:57] har: the files which are used to build the package [22:57] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: "leaving" [22:58] okay, so I can safely delete that, correct? [22:58] yes [22:58] theres no need to keep it [22:58] cool, well I have to get going, thanks a lot for the help, all of you [22:58] thrice lspci came back with intel pro/wireless 4965 ag or agn [22:58] good :) that's supported out of the box [22:59] well that's amazing :) [22:59] great news [22:59] well, the wireless card will work. if you have encryption on your network, you'll have to set it up [23:01] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:01] alright. and that would be done in the rc.inet correct? [23:01] that is one way, or you can use the point + click tool called "wicd" :) [23:01] wicd ftw :) [23:01] configuring networking gets boring [23:02] wicd... i'm going to give this a shot [23:02] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] if you have the slackware dvd, it's located in the "extra/" directory. if not, you can grab the package from a mirror, too [23:03] thrice thank you much for your help [23:04] sure thing :) [23:05] jeo: upgrade to 1.6.2.2 [23:05] 1.6.2.1 is a bit broken. [23:05] http://connie.slackware.com/~rworkman/wicd/ [23:06] who wants to donate me some DDR2 so i can play with vbox on my network services slack machine? 2GB = not cutting it :P [23:06] why would I be able to ssh in to my slack box via the external IP address, but occasionally I can't ssh in via the LAN IP when I'm in the network? [23:06] 2gb should be plenty :/ [23:06] 2gbs is loads. [23:07] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@216.145.101.109) joined ##slackware. [23:07] cjambe (n=user@129.97.99.15) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:07] afternoon .* [23:07] for a box running X, all my network services, multiple browsers/documents, and virtual machines? :D [23:07] xfce + a web browser is like 400 mb tops here [23:08] i use kde :P [23:08] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [23:08] well there's the problem. :P [23:08] i'm running terminal, xfce, ff, amarok, compiz, nd I'm at 494mb [23:08] and tend to keep about 10+ sites open in moz, along with various pdfs and amarok haha [23:08] ezr (n=jpb@97-80-124-147.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:09] we're not feeding your addiction to resource wasteing. [23:09] no free ram for you *tsk* [23:09] i currently have 16M free + 340M used for cache with one 512MB VM :\ [23:09] must.. have.. 8GB! [23:10] cjambe (n=user@129.97.99.244) joined ##slackware. [23:10] cjambe (n=user@129.97.99.244) left ##slackware. [23:11] hmm load average is 0.4 on an X2 5200 with the performance governor.. maybe i should switch it back to ondemand [23:11] _dogsoul (i=doggy@root.slackbox.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:11] i need more cores! [23:11] dogsoul (i=doggy@root.slackbox.org) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:12] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:12] still no compo with kde4.3.1 and urxvt still won't play right [23:13] dogsoul (i=doggy@root.slackbox.org) joined ##slackware. [23:13] dive: You mean kde effects aren't working? [23:13] yes [23:13] no window effects [23:14] freack (n=And@189.58.217.145) joined ##slackware. [23:14] scubacuda (n=rog@208.97.118.162) joined ##slackware. [23:15] freack (n=And@189.58.217.145) left irc: Client Quit [23:15] JJJunkk (i=spole@panix1.panix.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:15] phoenix^, is there ANY cheat to get xfce-panel fixed width, but not full ? [23:15] crudo (n=0xdead@187.78.98.224) joined ##slackware. [23:16] thrice`: Umm, I think so, sec. [23:17] i've been trying to find it for 2 days, and feel like i'm missing something very obvious :P [23:18] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [23:18] The only think, non-hackish, is to change the position/size to normal width and keep Fixed checked. Then it auto expands based on what is on the panel. [23:19] s/think/thing/ [23:19] I think there's a way to change the width though for that. [23:19] right, I want 1 width, without it changing on apps and such [23:19] yeah, I think there's a way, let me do some checking. :) [23:20] I have strange problem , did anyone sucefully installed slackware gnome slackbuild ... there's one annoying thing - the main menu bar appears really poor, is there any way of adding new entries without labour-costly edit menu ? [23:21] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:21] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:23] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:24] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@124.43.46.19) joined ##slackware. [23:24] thrice`: This *may* help, it's for gentoo though, http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Xfce/Tasklist_fixed_width [23:25] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:27] hm, interesting. so, not possible in the stock :( bummer [23:27] thrice`: Looks like that behaviour was changed in 4.6 [23:30] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-224.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:32] scubacuda (n=rog@208.97.118.162) left irc: "Leaving" [23:36] Guest32445 (n=root@99.32.199.179) joined ##slackware. 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[23:42] good evening MLanden [23:43] Evenin', mfillpot [23:43] it is a quiet night [23:43] ahhh [23:44] It's raining over here in the DFW area [23:45] heavily,slackmagic? [23:45] MLanden: on and off, but it's pretty much been like this all day [23:45] Sesshomaru (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:45] stalin (n=god@203-211-84-18.ue.woosh.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [23:45] WE had something similar for the past week or so, but the rain was constant [23:46] yeah,pretty constant [23:46] I'm glad it's over, I like looking at the stars [23:47] nice to observe the changing of the leaves' colors without it being too muddy [23:48] hello mfillpot [23:48] hello MLanden [23:48] amason6: hello [23:49] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [23:49] I am quite glad I installed hulu, it helps during the down time [23:49] heya, amason6 [23:49] Hulu is pretty nice [23:49] I'm watching windtalkers on it now [23:49] it was through that site that I saw this great show called Arrested Development [23:50] What is windtalkers? [23:50] amason6: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0245562/ [23:51] CrYpTo1 (n=CrYpTo@ip68-224-51-178.lv.lv.cox.net) left ##slackware. [23:51] Oh. I've heard about this movie. Never saw it though. [23:51] it is better than I expected [23:51] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:52] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: "Leaving." [23:52] BAH [23:52] Action: Camarade_Tux goes back to bed [23:53] Action: Camarade_Tux hits phoenix^ with a rod [23:53] Naraku (n=supergea@65.113.15.181) joined ##slackware. [23:54] I'm still questioning if I should submit the huludesktop conversion slackbuild I made [23:54] whats the command to check a disk manual to see if it has errors? [23:54] MLanden (n=lilslack@pool-141-152-142-94.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:55] y0 Camarade_Tux [23:55] good night ^^ [23:55] night Camarade_Tux :P [23:55] MLanden (n=lilslack@pool-141-152-142-94.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:55] heya MLanden [23:55] mfillpot, I say go for it. I'm sure there are people out there who will benefit. I can't see any reason not to. [23:55] i_is_broke: fsck [23:56] heya phoenix^ [23:56] amason6: my only conflict with it is the fact that they don't append the version number on the original package [23:56] mfillpot, na i want the one that checks a burned cd not a hard drive. [23:56] i_is_broke: why don't you just run an md5sum against the disk? [23:57] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [23:57] y0 Rat409 [23:57] i see [23:57] hey phoenix^ , how are ya? [23:57] Stanto (n=nnscript@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:57] thrice`: Well, I got the devel stuff installed in Fedora, it was rpmfusion repos throwing it off it seems. [23:57] Rat409: great, thanks. you? [23:58] mfillpot, ill have to look and see how, been to long since i have done it manually. [23:58] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC3170C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [23:58] phoenix^: same here,thanks :) [23:58] i_is_broke: md5sum /dev/cdrom, and compare against the original image [23:59] mfillpot, thanks thats what i was looking for...you was faster then google..lmao [00:00] --- Thu Oct 22 2009