[00:03] gm152 (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:07] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.103.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [00:08] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:08] hba (~hba@189.130.159.68) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:09] crocket (1000@112.214.154.58) joined ##slackware. [00:09] I found a bug in /etc/profile.d/kde.sh [00:09] hba (~hba@189.130.159.68) joined ##slackware. [00:10] kde.sh keeps adding /etc/kde/xdg to $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS whenever I enter a new shell in a shell. [00:10] I had to fix it so that kde.sh adds /etc/kde/xdg only when there is no /etc/kde/xdg in $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS [00:10] Is anybody interested? [00:11] crocket (1000@112.214.154.58) left irc: Client Quit [00:13] no [00:13] heh [00:13] ha [00:15] oh dear. [00:18] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:20] danc3 (danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left ##slackware ("Gone to do something useful!"). [00:21] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@r74-192-29-7.bcstcmta01.clsttx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:21] oh joy, for some reason the past few days X starts sucking my cpu down at random times... :-/ [00:24] Bugz_ (Bugz_@adsl-75-42-70-109.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [00:24] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-70-109.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:25] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [00:26] ratono (~ratono@unaffiliated/ratono) left irc: Quit: Arreando [00:28] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:28] hba (~hba@189.130.159.68) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:30] asarch (~asarch@189.188.146.164) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:30] lord_darwin (~lord_darw@dynamic-66-243-242-232.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [00:31] Why would one have over 3,000,000 unused 1KB blocks on a disc but only 4 are available? (after deleting a lot of stuff) [00:32] Something is holding them used? [00:32] well, if stuff was deleted, what could possibly be holding them used? [00:33] delete how? some DE's have a "trashcan" concept [00:33] Were they log files? [00:33] no, mostly audio files. I did delete them in dolphin but then emptied the wastebin [00:34] Hmmm [00:34] Action: Motoko-chan dunno [00:34] i bet the wastebin's not empty [00:34] never used dolphin though [00:34] Possibly. [00:34] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [00:34] Dolphin = KDE4 file manager [00:34] it is empty [00:35] how did you empty the trash? [00:36] with the context command in dolphin [00:37] is there anything in: ~/.local/share/Trash ? [00:37] again, i have no idea what dolphin does or doesn. can you ls ./local/share/Trash ? [00:37] er ~/.local/share/Trash [00:37] yes, all the files I deleted are there [00:38] then you weren'temptying the bin [00:38] well, it did not work [00:38] but it is empty now [00:38] rm -rf ~/.local/share/Trash/* [00:38] yeah [00:39] however there are two folders (files, info) and a file called metadata. Will those be re-created if necessary? [00:39] it's the trash , who gives a shit [00:39] all of .local gets re-created if nuked :) [00:39] lord_darwin: yes. They will be recraded [00:39] hell when you make a new user, none of that is there :) [00:40] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.103.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:40] ok... I guess I will be using rm until dolphin is fixed [00:40] rm it with extreme prejudice [00:40] mancha: So with an electro magnet? [00:40] hehe [00:40] crocket (1000@112.214.154.58) joined ##slackware. [00:40] if you don't want to use the trash, use 'shift+delete" [00:40] Hello guys [00:41] lord_darwin, listen to FriedBob, he knows his shit :) [00:41] I modified /etc/profile.d/kde.sh so that it never adds /etc/kde/xdg when there is already /etc/kde/xdg in $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS. [00:41] http://pastebin.com/LeijLWjD [00:41] Please have a look at this [00:41] I already sent an email about this to PV [00:41] crocket, you have to ask if anyone's interested first!!!! [00:41] I guarantee removal, but don't promise anything about being able to reuse it after. [00:41] crocket: and stop spamming the channel. [00:42] BP{k}, It is not a spam [00:42] I used pastebin [00:42] BP{k} is it not a real bug? [00:42] i was only making fun cause last time he asked if anyone's interested and there was <> :) [00:42] mancha : enter a terminal emulator and echo $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS. [00:43] no! [00:43] you'll see two /etc/kde/xdg [00:43] i do here [00:43] right, it's there twice. buth that doesn't harm anything does it? [00:43] rming ~/.local/share/Trash freed much space, but I still have two to three million more unused blocks than available [00:44] It could lead to problems [00:44] I don't know what the problems might be [00:44] such as? [00:44] And it is aesthetically bad [00:44] if you don't know what the problems are, how can you tell there are any? [00:44] lord, so something else is holding them. [00:44] hmm [00:44] There are problems if you have to add another path to $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS [00:45] crocket: there's a good amount of people using slack. Don't you think if it was a `huge` issue that it wouldn't be there? [00:45] I've never had that issue before. [00:45] If you utilize the same code as in /etc/profile.d/kde.sh to add some other path to $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS, then you could have /etc/xdg removed from $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS. [00:46] Without /etc/xdg in $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS, you do not see ibus launched. [00:46] don't forget to update your adobe flash plugins folks.. [00:46] maybe I should not have started my nick with 'lord,' but someone else uses 'darwin,' and it is a D&D name... [00:47] I had to add /etc/gnome/xdg manually in /etc/profile.d/customenv.sh(my creation) because I partially installed GSB and I don't know what GSB package adds /etc/gnome/xdg. [00:47] Yes, my lordo... [00:47] iceheart (~nihao@121.229.39.41) joined ##slackware. [00:48] If I use the same code in /etc/profile.d/customenv.sh as in /etc/profile.d/kde.sh, I get problems. [00:48] ALL HEIL BRITANNIA!!! [00:48] I had /etc/xdg removed. [00:48] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQy-pJDVCSM [00:48] the sun never sets on the Commonwealth [00:49] crocket: hm okay, I see you have a partial point. although I doubt it actually does any harm. [00:50] lord_darwin, in this series, the emperior of the country had a very Darwinian social view. [00:50] I thought it approp. [00:50] If I use the same code, $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS gets screwed up, so I fixed both customenv.sh and kde.sh. [00:51] actually I made up my nick before I ever heard of Charles Darwin [00:51] but it was funny [00:51] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [00:51] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [00:51] Motoko-chan, Are you a japanese? [00:51] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::72e1) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:52] yarvin (~quassel@155-197-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [00:52] More than half my menu entries are missing!!! [00:52] I need to fix this [00:53] crocket (1000@112.214.154.58) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:53] yarvin (~quassel@155-197-58-66.gci.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:53] bigpaws (~bigpaws@plns-66-33-241-135-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [00:53] dear oh dear [00:53] Aparently more than half his brain also was missing. [00:54] s/was/is/ [00:54] nobody tell him about screen and irssi for god's sake [00:54] Action: Motoko-chan likes KVIrc [00:55] mancha: as per your earlier question, I am not sure if it is a bug. But I am less likely inclined to directly believe crocket .. since I have sen him make numerous of claims regarding bugs which usually end up to be PEBKAC [00:55] he said it happens when he starts a new shell within a shell [00:55] oh, i should pay more attention to who's who. i had no idea crocket often cried wolf [00:55] I just tried that but didn't see anything [00:56] anyhow folks, update to flash plugin 10.1.85.3 if you use flash... [00:57] mancha: to give a nice example: earlier today .. he demanded help from the GSB devs. Despite having half a slackware install + half a GSB install [00:58] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@*n2fls32o256.telia.com expired. [00:58] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@*n2fls32o256.telia.com' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:58] the old greek princple of (1/2) + (1/2) = 1 ? [00:58] bigpaws (~bigpaws@74.47.94.215) joined ##slackware. [00:59] mancha: Thinking like that how things like el caminos are born. [01:00] mrcarrot (~lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) joined ##slackware. [01:01] yht (~yht@118.96.121.225) joined ##slackware. [01:03] what's batman-adv? [01:03] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [01:03] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [01:04] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.244) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:05] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt5-port-197.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [01:05] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:09] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: Quit: Leaving. 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[01:36] darylc (~darylc@cpe-76-167-233-29.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: entering sleep mode [01:38] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [01:38] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:39] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [01:42] I'm trying to install a slackbuild package and while verifying the signature I get this: gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! [01:42] gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner. [01:42] Primary key fingerprint: D307 6BC3 E783 EE74 7F09 B8B7 0368 EF57 9C7B A3B6. What does this mean? [01:43] you didn't sign it [01:45] before that it should say "Good signature from blah..." unless it isn't good. [01:46] damn gpg, I have trouble grasping it's cryptic twists... thanks mancha [01:46] Jedman it has to do with degrees of trust. [01:47] i sign your sig and then you sign pat's sig, if i import pat's sig it has a trust value through the web of trust we've created [01:47] or i could choose to sign pat's sig directly... [01:50] I see... but when it says that the key is not certified with a trusted signature... which signature are we takling about? [01:51] any trusted signature, yours for example. [01:51] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [01:51] Jedman: which script is this? [01:52] BP{k}, polipo [01:52] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:53] Jedman you can sign that key and then it won't say that anymore. [01:53] man gpg or the html docs for more info [01:54] Jedman: and you have imported the sbo public key? [01:55] BP{k}, yes [01:55] lord_darwin (~lord_darw@dynamic-66-243-242-232.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:55] Jedman: okay, what command did you give? [01:56] gpg --import GPG-KEY [01:57] sorry, to verify the signature [01:57] gpg --verify polipo.tar.gz.asc [02:03] ok, I signed the key, and it says Good signature from bla bla... [02:04] Jedman, now that key is not only valid it is also "trusted" [02:04] two different things. [02:09] But how do I know that the key I signed is "good"? I mean, wtf? I guess I'll go read the damn man lol! [02:09] Hermann (~Hermannn@m83-178-19-245.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [02:09] well in theory where does the trust start. that is a good question. [02:10] maybe to trust it is your sig i'd have to meet you in person and you'd give me your sig on paper [02:11] that's the idea between keysigning parties. :) [02:12] Never been to one of those, must be sick!!! [02:13] after the keys are signed you do body shots! [02:14] sick only if std's are involved [02:14] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-29-224.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:15] Hermann (~Hermannn@m83-178-19-245.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:18] Does slack 13.1 still scan the system after so many boots like 13.0 did ? [02:18] that is an fs attribure [02:24] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: _marc` [02:30] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:30] Reticenti (~josiah@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:31] Reticenti (~bob@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [02:32] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:34] mrcarrot (lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) left ##slackware. [02:36] fs attribute ? [02:36] filesystem. [02:36] An ext3 or ext4 filesystem newslacker? [02:37] sdi (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/sdi) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:38] ext4 [02:38] rrs_ (~rrs@92.125.217.32) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:39] idle` (~idle@2a01:e35:2f43:4b00:20d:f0ff:fe56:8f4) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:39] man 8 tune2fs [02:40] newslacker: you can use the -i and -c parameters of tune2fs to change the frequency of filesystem checks (giving those a value of zero completely disables the checks) [02:41] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.58.11) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [02:41] But is it on by default tho ? Like on 13.0 [02:42] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-20.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:44] idle` (~idle@2a01:e35:2f43:4b00:20d:f0ff:fe56:8f4) joined ##slackware. [02:44] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [02:45] cr4ck (~unknown@189.31.165.118) joined ##slackware. [02:48] cr4ck` (~unknown@189.31.165.118) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:48] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [02:58] idle` (~idle@2a01:e35:2f43:4b00:20d:f0ff:fe56:8f4) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:58] alienBOB, you think it really needs to be checked? I mean as long as the journal is fine is there really a need? One thing that always annoys me when I need to reboot quickly it seems that's when the machine fscking itself [02:59] those parameters are usually set to check once every 20 times or so. that seems acceptable to me. if you don't like it don't debate it, just change it. [02:59] i normally get caught on the 180 days check since I don't reboot often [02:59] oh wow, twice a year, that sucks! [03:01] ankerhoe (~ankerhoe@ip-245-42-179-93.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [03:01] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@*.dialup.ice.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:01] ankerhoe kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: magnus_swe|hopsa|hopsington|stalkerboy, you're not welcome here. [03:04] I disabled the check entirely on one system a few years ago and never saw a negative problem from it while running ext3 [03:05] thats like that famous pack-a-day smoker who lived to be 105 years old [03:05] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [03:05] we should all smoke! [03:09] mbohun (~mbohun@eth649.act.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:09] juice, i'm being silly to a degree but the fact that your system never had issues is great but is not a reason to disable file system checks. [03:10] many things, including unclean shutdowns can corrupt an fs, at the inode level. also, you are not guaranteed protection from some of those corruptions even if you have a journal [03:10] also note that journaling is not of one type only, ext3 has several, for example ordered, journal, or writeback modes [03:11] etc etc [03:11] that's why I get pissy when my computer goes off without a shutdown [03:11] bottom line though, set it to a value you're willing to live with. and by that i mean, you give up the right to rant in the future when you lose data :) [03:11] ie at work when someone kept doing it on purpose to my machine and I had to load the install disk to fix the drive [03:11] so it would boot [03:12] lol [03:12] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-33-47.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:15] crocket (1000@112.214.154.58) joined ##slackware. [03:15] Can I run GTA4 in wine? [03:17] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-20.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:18] juice, on a few boxes i've pretty much set both interval and count very high and then i manually force an fsck on boot if i sense things have gotten hairy [03:23] morning [03:23] anyone know of any stats collection tools to collect information about hosts and storing it in a central place? [03:24] and then make reports from the information? [03:24] :) [03:24] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:25] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.2, revision: 4740, sources date: 20100627, built on: 2010-08-08 18:29:00 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [03:28] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:29] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D5645.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:31] Gast_85 (Gast85@p4FD06559.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. 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[04:41] he was spreading ASCII pr0n. [04:41] all of them? [04:42] sure. those were the current actors' names ;-) [04:43] I'm porting rhythmbox for slackbuilds.org [04:44] Action: mrcarrot is having it boring while he is downloading hp's small driver for a scanner. it is just 230mb small [04:45] it will probably take about 1 gb installed [04:45] shame on hp [04:45] yeah i really hate that garbage [04:45] it's the same with webcams [04:45] lulz. does it include the scanned library of congress? [04:46] it also takes a long time to install [04:46] again a reason for to use *nix [04:47] linux hasn't drivers for some scanners. that's another problem. [04:47] s/another/a different/ [04:48] slackware by default doesn't allow access to scanners by normal users. [04:48] I don't know how to set the right permissions [04:48] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) joined ##slackware. [04:48] even if windblows would be fully opensource i would prefer *nix because of windowmaker and all the tools [04:49] crocket, add yourself to the 'scanner' group. [04:49] i can simply work more efficiently like that [04:49] slava_dp, ok [04:50] hmm windowmaker, nice WM [04:50] is it still being developed ? [04:50] i do not know. at least it is working well, really well [04:50] I think compiz is better. [04:51] mrcarrot: it definitly is [04:52] Nick change: rhisa -> rissy [04:55] hrad (~a@77.93.201.43) joined ##slackware. [04:58] mrcarrot (lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) left ##slackware. [04:59] The last stable version of windowmaker was released 5 years ago [04:59] It is unmaintained, sir. [04:59] still a joy to use [05:00] pete` (~user@073.a.007.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:00] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-33-47.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:01] looks pretty lame to me [05:02] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@*.dialup.ice.net expired. [05:02] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@*.dialup.ice.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:02] hey, I can run things like wine or virtual box on multilib slackware, but some other 32bit software which is not tested usually doesn't run. Creators say it can be run on ubuntu with ia32 shared libs installed [05:02] is there anything one can do about this ? [05:02] afterstep is a similar wm and had a release a little over a year ago [05:03] juice: ah that's nice, didn't know that wm was still active [05:03] hiptobecubic: not flashy enough? try it before you judge it [05:04] bnguyen (~chatzilla@210.245.12.41) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [05:04] pete` (user@073.a.007.syd.iprimus.net.au) left ##slackware. [05:04] hrad: 'cannot run' is hardly a detailed problem description [05:06] this is a java app [05:06] http://pastebin.com/R9qtQ0qH [05:06] I have the jre they suggest to use [05:07] hrad: that's a 64 bit java [05:09] Java binaries should not have to be 32-bit or 64-bit aware [05:13] surrounder, it looks a little feature bare. I'm enjoying openbox for now. [05:14] Although i'm noticing more and more that all of the really good features are being built for Gnome or KDE specifically and aren't portable [05:15] I need a decent photo manager. Shotwell looks great but it's built on Gnome and written in Vala. It's annoying [05:15] ananke, you mean that I need 32bit JRE ? [05:15] hrad: it was an observation, rather than recommendation, at this point. you said you have 32 bit software problems [05:15] so i'm wondering, what 32 bit software you're talking about [05:17] argh. looks like mixmax/magnus_swe/angeranker wasn't too happy about bans. for every kick, he thought it was imperative to pm me and express his anger in quite a vulgar way [05:20] Hahaha [05:20] He leaves me alone at least [05:22] i'm special to him [05:23] I am glad for you [05:23] wonder if he'll follow me into other channels now [05:26] ananke, I'm using this http://screen-scraper.com which seems to be pure Java program, but apparently there is something running under the hood [05:33] sorry, i'm not familiar with that software [05:34] Lalloso (8a843664@gateway/web/freenode/ip.138.132.54.100) joined ##slackware. [05:34] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) left irc: Quit: velusip [05:34] hello [05:36] is it a best practice to switch from the default installed huge kernel to the generic kernel after installation? [05:37] at least this is what i've understood after reading the answer of alienBOB in this thread http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slack13-1-nfsd-fatal-error-816627/ [05:39] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [05:40] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:42] I think slackbuilds.org provides a clean installation if I ever want to install part of GNOME. [05:42] Installing part of GSB leads to lots of problems. [05:44] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) joined ##slackware. [05:45] rafu (~rafu@127-226-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se) joined ##slackware. [05:46] Lalloso, generic + modules will do fine. [05:49] Lalloso: in short, 'yes' [05:49] Lalloso, a generic kernel uses less ram than the a huge one, and the chance of driver conflicts is lower. [05:49] Lalloso, so, make an initrd as per /boot/README.initrd, and use the generic one. or, if you are fit for the job, build a custom one. [05:50] while the huge kernels will work for most things, it's there much like the donut replacement tire for a car exists [05:50] there's also an immensely handy /usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh,, that pretty much automates initrd creation. [05:52] /usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh is my favourite method as well. I'll cut'n'paste'n'edit the output of that for extra goodness (most notably to add hibernate partition info) [05:52] thanks a lot [05:53] Lalloso, regarding a custom one: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/slackware-kernel-compile-guide/ [05:54] i think i will just stick with the generic one [05:54] i think it's better for me to use the generic kernel than trying to outsmart it on all of my systems [05:54] A custom one runs just a tiny bit faster. [05:55] i was just surprised because i thought the default installation was enough [05:55] but the generic one is faster to make. 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[08:19] i found 'alien', but it's not available packaged. [08:19] why would you want to do that/ hehe [08:19] just extract the deb [08:20] kickback (~Unknown@122.163.252.211) joined ##slackware. [08:20] Maybe this? http://code.google.com/p/deb2tgz [08:20] want to quickly install a package from debian, to try it. [08:20] ar x file.deb, then extract the package to a temp spot, clean it up and use makepkg ;) [08:20] thrice`, might make sense. [08:21] revel0___ (~revel0@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:21] kukukk, there are no files there. [08:22] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [08:22] In download section? :} [08:22] oh. I was looking for source. [08:22] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-6-191.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:22] revel0___ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. 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What I mean is - gxine will randomly start up from time to time and I can't figure out why... any ideas? [08:40] gxine random cronjob! o// [08:41] or firefox plugin [08:42] Gimped (~Gimped@c-98-248-193-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:43] s4lv4d0r (1000@190.74.58.93) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:43] rodrigo_golive (c8116f03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.17.111.3) joined ##slackware. [08:44] alisonken1lap, the firefox plugin sounds more like it [08:44] I was wondering if there was a log file that I could next time it happens to see what caused it to load [08:45] Slobad: remove the gxine plugin from your mozilla/firefox plugins directory(ies) and see what happens [08:46] gxine is shit [08:46] ##slackware: mode change '+o s0c' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [08:46] s4lv4d0r (1000@190.74.58.93) joined ##slackware. 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[09:00] If I have a default-state linksys router between my cable modem and my slackware box, am I vulnerable to someone deliberately probing my computer for information? Where should I reduce WAN access - at the router or on the computer? Am I really going to have to wrap my mind round iptables? Would that allow me to limit what information gets sent off my computer as well as what traffic's accepted for processing? Is t [09:00] here a recommended personal desktop 2-way firewall GUI? [09:01] johnbristol: Install dd-wrt [09:01] cryptic0, the router's not on the dd-wrt list. You think changing the router and going that route is the best approach? [09:02] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [09:02] what? dd-wrt doesn't support a linksys router? what model? [09:02] must be brand new [09:03] cryptic0, no, it's not brand new, it's got two phone ports and vonage supplied it and I expect I'd lose my vonage access if I changed it [09:03] mrcarrot (lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) left ##slackware. [09:03] I could add a second router between it and me though [09:03] johnbristol: an off topic question, but do you use vonage for international? [09:04] if compositing does not show as an option in the desktop effects area of kde settings, does that mean the video adapter isn't supported? [09:04] cryptic0, occasionally but I'm far more likely to use skype. I'm not much of a voice call user. [09:04] either that or you don't have a 3D driver [09:04] friend was just trying kde and doesnt have that option [09:05] more than likely the 3D driver for the card is missing [09:05] johnbristol: so basically you don't use vonage as much [09:05] phrag: Nvidia card? [09:05] not sure, it's a dell laptop so prob intel [09:05] thanks Dominian, i'll take a look at it later [09:05] dunno much about that. [09:05] cryptic0, vonage is there to save me the cost of a landline. People ring me, I don't ring them. [09:06] vonage ftw [09:06] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:06] johnbristol, if you have an old computer laying around, you could install pfsense, ipcop of smoothwall on it, and put that in between. all of those come with nice gui's as well [09:06] Endian Firewall is another good one. [09:07] there's also ClearOS, but some of the features that used to be in it before it was renamed (ClarkConnect) are now missing from it.. so kind of killed ClearOS for me... hence the switch to Endian per someone's recommendation. [09:07] thank you meatpuppet, Dominian, I'd just downloaded Endian earlier and realized it needed a dedicated machine. So nothing's going to sit on my desktop and keep me isolated? [09:08] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [09:08] johnbristol: You could use iptables [09:08] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:08] stunix (1000@85.19.141.111) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:08] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [09:09] Dominian, I expect I could if I managed to fathom the documentation but it horrified me when I read it. If I tried again you're telling me it's got the capability I'm looking for/ [09:09] johnbristol: I didn't see the actual request.. just the suggestions that people were laying out [09:10] I have always been scared of setting iptables manually. I don't understand them. [09:10] hersonls (~hersonls@189.43.141.102) joined ##slackware. [09:10] Dominian, just 2-way firewalling for an unwarranted sense of security [09:10] hersonls (~hersonls@189.43.141.102) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:10] hersonls (~hersonls@189.43.141.102) joined ##slackware. [09:11] The only way to have a sense of security that's unbeatable.. turn it off.. unplug it ;) [09:11] Dominian, I'd reached that conclusion. I have a pad of paper and a pencil for secrets. [09:12] johnbristol, i use a serpent encrypted ironkey ;) [09:13] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ [09:14] meatpuppet, that sounds more like it inhabits the lower levels of nethack. [09:17] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [09:17] lol [09:20] bvxz (b@boringvx.stalker.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:20] does inetd log anywhere? [09:22] anyone have experience with ftp installs? I give it ftp://ip/slack/slackware like it wants, but then it complains it can't find packages in ftp://ip/slack/slackware/slackware [09:23] but if I just give it ftp://ip/slack, it says it can't find the packages list [09:23] do you have the slackware/slackware subdir? [09:23] never_mind (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:24] no, because it wanted to be pointed at the slackware directory with a/ ap/ etc [09:24] well, you should have it. [09:25] and a/ ap/ etc. under it. [09:25] yes and I gave it that then it proceeded to look in the wrong place [09:25] n37wk3r (~netwolker@unaffiliated/n37wk3r) joined ##slackware. [09:25] anyone used wicd pre/post connect scripts successfully? I've got a script to run hostapd if the wired connection is active, and it works fine outside of wicd, but I can't get it going from wicd, says it returns 127 [09:25] bah, I just moved packages.txt up a directory and gave it the one it didn't ask for [09:26] raela: yeah i had those issue, i did solve it but i forgot how [09:26] by ignoring what it tells you probably [09:27] raela: no, something is wrong with path [09:27] logia_th (~nmo@83.44.113.44) joined ##slackware. [09:27] the installer asked for the wrong directory. if I gave it what I wanted, it failed to find the files. it's going now [09:28] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) joined ##slackware. [09:28] Action: logia_th good afternoon folks !! [09:30] Akuma (~Akuma@modemcable099.110-179-173.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Quit: So long sukkas! [09:32] fallertsen (~Franz@emaiti.net) joined ##slackware. [09:34] in C, Is possible one variable in non contiguous bytes? [09:35] that would be an exploit waiting to happen [09:35] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:35] grazymax (~grazymax@host21-155-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:36] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-253.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:38] arfon (~arfon@66.87.2.63) joined ##slackware. [09:38] Howdy [09:39] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [09:40] bnguyen (~chatzilla@123.30.12.73) joined ##slackware. [09:40] Last week someon mentioned RSS feeds that they like and I said that I liked Slashdot becuase there' virtually no politics... Several people chimed in and suggested other sites (which I wrote down then lost)... Anyone care to tell me the RSS nerd news feeds they like (that doesn't get political)? [09:40] Slobad (~slobad23@92.17.205.169) joined ##slackware. [09:41] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.94.249) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:43] asarch (~asarch@189.188.198.190) joined ##slackware. [09:44] dios_mio (net@78.179.76.124) joined ##slackware. [09:45] 297 people in the room.. ubuntu room has 1000 people [09:46] fuck off to unbunu then [09:46] 1391 to be exact [09:46] phrag, that wasnt very nice [09:46] real slackers don't waste time on irc. [09:46] you cant even spell its name lol [09:46] you join this channel, no body knows you, and first thing you say is "297 people in the room.. ubuntu room has 1000 people [09:46] dios_mio: what does it matter how many people are in a room [09:46] get a clue [09:47] phrag... relax.. nobody is attacking your taboos [09:47] Action: C00re is watching the irc drama [09:47] linux fanatics lol... worse than religious fanatics [09:47] Ah, since the script was on the wired connection, it would pass 'wired' as a parameter. I ended up making 2 separate scripts to start/stop hostapd and wicd is now happy :) [09:48] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@78.179.76.124' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [09:48] dios_mio kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: bb [09:49] phrag, that was harsh :) [09:49] asarch (~asarch@189.188.198.190) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:49] Action: phrag hopes nobody notices his bad mood [09:49] damn i wasnt finished with my popcorn yet [09:49] yeh it was =/ [09:49] :P [09:49] phrag: Next time lemme ban him! :^) [09:49] asarch (~asarch@189.188.198.190) joined ##slackware. [09:49] hehe [09:49] ##slackware: mode change '-o phrag' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [09:49] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-227-37-51.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:50] My ban message would have been priceless. [09:50] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.94.249) joined ##slackware. [09:51] "Easy is the road that leads to temptation, but narrow is the gate that leads to salvation and those that find it are few. ##ubuntu 1000+, ##slackware 297" [09:51] Alan_Hicks: ++ [09:51] =) [09:52] 1000 kids vs 297 adults [09:52] i just read that out the the team =P [09:52] :) [09:52] to* [09:53] Alan_Hicks: lol [09:56] Outstanding! [09:56] \o/ [09:56] phrag: the team? [09:57] Action: asarch is adding the phrase to the fortune cookies [09:57] Alan_Hicks: my Linux SA team at work =) [09:58] well, the team that I am part of.. i have no authority here =P [09:58] Ah. Where do you work at again? [09:58] All those Ubuntu users looking for help in the IRC on their "easy to use" distro - curiouser and curiouser [09:59] easy is a relative term proportional to experience and intelligence [09:59] Alan_Hicks: a software development firm in Newcastle, UK.. but we just recently found out they are moving offices to London... so that may change =P [09:59] I would have thought intelligence was relative to those you surround yourself with [09:59] phrag, you use slackware in your offices? [10:00] Slobad: well.. *I* do.. centos & rhel on production [10:01] pretty cool i can run whatever distro though... and i even removed the *nix guys reliance on a VM just for Outlook to interface with AD [10:01] Alan_Hicks, Glad you are on here. You told me to take a look at Slackbook V3 to give you the opinion of a newbie. Well I liked and found V2 very helpful. This is a nice addition to the older solid foundation of V2 and I can't (without fine tooth combing) find fault in it [10:01] DavMail Gateway is cool, can use thunderbird to access Active Directory [10:02] who was in here trying to get maple working? [10:03] V3! V3! V3! yay! [10:04] phrag: How exactly did you do that? [10:04] M3no1ti0s (~M3no1ti0s@212.183.140.32) joined ##slackware. [10:04] M3no1ti0s (M3no1ti0s@212.183.140.32) left ##slackware. [10:04] Slobad: Thanks. [10:04] Alan_Hicks: well we have AD here at work (previous setup) and i could not find a way to access email effectively with pure linux [10:04] always had to run a VM just for outlook [10:04] phrag: I'm in the same boat. [10:05] oh, then i have some great news =) [10:05] one second.. [10:05] Our situation may be a little different though, 'cause our Exchange is hosted by microsoft online services. [10:05] davmail.sf.net [10:05] http://davmail.sourceforge.net/ [10:06] Alan_Hicks: works a treat with thunderbird [10:06] Oh! Well we do have web access! [10:06] yeh, that's what it uses [10:06] i prefer using webmail [10:06] troy (~troy@dsl-69-172-83-180.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. [10:06] the state of your email is consistent where ever you access it from [10:07] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [10:07] Skywise: that's all good unless you get 1000's of emails a day from cron/logging/nagios =P [10:07] Skywise: That's what IMAP was invented for. [10:07] unless you download and save something locally [10:07] phrag: cron, logging, nagios, opennms, linux-kernel, etc. :^) [10:07] i do love k9mail for android too [10:07] Alan_Hicks: haha =) [10:07] k9mail.. hrm [10:08] I couldn't tell you how many non-spam e-mails I get in a day. it's ridiculous. [10:08] actually i have my system emails come in segregated by using +topic in the addy [10:08] phrag: I'll have to keep k9mail in mind when/if I get a Droid [10:08] stunix (1000@85.19.141.132) joined ##slackware. [10:09] it's really well developed, lots of features but still simplistic and low resources [10:09] guax (~guax@189.4.108.113) joined ##slackware. [10:09] guax (~guax@189.4.108.113) left irc: Changing host [10:09] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [10:10] so many phones with android now.. it's a really good thing, love the choice... alternative, one iphone =P [10:11] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:12] phrag: Thanks! This looks like just what I need. [10:13] Will let me check work and personal e-mails in claws-mail. [10:13] that'll be 200 dollars for the consultation fee please [10:14] Action: mag0o had to recompile thunderbird with ldap access to get it to work with Groupwise here [10:14] well, to get it to work with the global address book, imap worked fine out of the box [10:16] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@190.176.147.211) joined ##slackware. [10:16] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@190.176.147.211) left irc: Changing host [10:16] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [10:18] Dominian: Can I pay y'all in BOZO points instead? [10:18] Oh I got a billion of those [10:19] bnguyen (~chatzilla@123.30.12.73) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [10:21] Sounds like you have a Bozo-heavy portfolio.... [10:21] I'd diversify, get some Crusty-points [10:21] Does anyone here use a *BSD for anything or are you pure Slackware guys? [10:21] can't [10:21] Alan_Hicks bought them out. [10:21] :)) [10:22] Many years ago, I used NetBSD [10:22] i only run slackware, i don't know the fascination with using more then 1 distro [10:22] Slobad: used BSD in the past, still want to do if it supported all my hardware nicely [10:22] there hasn't been anything i've wanted to do that i couldn't [10:22] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [10:22] Skywise, that is what I hoped someone would say [10:23] wow, new qt [10:24] Flicking through FreeBSD it says "If you have an open source OS that you are happy with, there really is no need to change to freeBSD" or words to that effect. I know more about Linux than I do about *bsd but just wondered if I should concentrate on the bsd side of things at all for specific things slackware wasn't capable of [10:25] yeah, i can see how some people's fanatacism might make you wonder if theres not something better over there [10:26] Action: Alan_Hicks uses OpenBSD quite a bit. [10:26] but really the philosohpies and strategies are different, its not as if one is inherently superior [10:26] Linux seems to be more supported... Why switch? [10:27] to gain more knowledge about other systems [10:27] the world isn't only linux [10:27] Run Mandrive then :) [10:27] mandriva [10:27] Skywise: Ah! But that's qhere you're wrong. They are inherently superior and inferior to each other in many different ways. Overall they're about even, but Linux distros and the *BSDs do a number of things very differently. [10:27] arfon: uh ? [10:27] lol [10:27] run opwnVMS then and not someother nix ? [10:27] openVMS even [10:27] I'm just being stupid surrounder [10:28] hmmstupid \o/ [10:28] engineering is all about picking your compromises [10:28] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [10:28] s/q/w/ [10:28] Skywise: I thought it was being superior to accounting... [10:28] /b/ [10:29] arfon: that's managers [10:29] sdi (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/sdi) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:29] rachael: there's a lot of stuff to explore in the *nix world imho [10:29] then again, I also don't mind learning stuff about Windows [10:29] and I'm a huge Haiku fanboi [10:29] arfon, someome made a carreer from filling in spreadsheets, you gotta give them some credit [10:29] ...and griping that they don't gve you enough money for your pet projects.... [10:29] Skywise: :)) [10:30] n37wk3r (~netwolker@unaffiliated/n37wk3r) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [10:30] SuBmUnDo: well its all the same mistakes an d ideers design wise, and the different between gnu and bsd useland aint that terrible big, why try something a bit more different, plan9, qnx, openVMS [10:31] ups make that surrounder [10:31] rachael: qnx I tried, plan9 is on the todo list and I never really cared about openvms yet, dunno why [10:31] sdi (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/sdi) joined ##slackware. [10:32] surrounder: openvms is a interessting system, if you have the hardware to run it, be it a vax, a alpha or itanium system . [10:33] Since Slackware went 64bit, Slackware and Slax has suited all of my needs (except for my one Windows game box) [10:33] I looked at plan9 about ten years ago... Couldn't figure out where to download anything to install it, and none of the documentation made any sense. [10:33] Before that: Slackware, Slamd64 and Slax [10:35] [insert man-page joke here] [10:35] atm slackware, debian and crux here [10:36] slackware, slackware, slackware, slackware, slackware, and mythbuntu... [10:37] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:37] slackware, slacwkare, slackware, slackware, slackware, slackware, slackware, slackware, openbsd [10:37] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:37] Slackware64, Slackware,Slackware,Slackware, windoz [10:38] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [10:38] +slackware slackware [10:38] (forgot laptops) [10:38] runs slackware, ultrix, osX and amigaos here [10:38] ah yeah, also a win 7 install on my netbook but I never boot into it anymore (only if I need the usb internetdongle from work) [10:38] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:38] rachael: nice! which amigaos ? [10:39] else try and get tops-20 up under simh or ITS [10:39] Speaking of internet dongle... I don't know if anyone cares but Virgin mobile just went unlimited 3G for $40 a month, no contract [10:39] surrounder: 3.5 and 3.9 , on 4000 and two 3000 [10:40] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [10:40] nice price for a dongle [10:40] rachael: I've got an HP2000 going (mostly) on SIMH [10:40] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:40] surrounder: the dongle is $80 and works with linux [10:41] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [10:41] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [10:41] arfon: hehe time shared basic [10:41] arfon: ok, nice - I'm not located in the US though :) [10:41] YES! [10:41] That's what I'm running! [10:41] I pay eur 7.50 per month for hdspa on my cell [10:41] Sorry surrounder :( [10:42] for what? [10:42] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [10:42] Can you use it as a modem for your laptop? [10:42] yes [10:42] PFFT! then I'm sorry for me! [10:44] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:44] <|Slacker|> I have a Huawei e160 hdspa that works fine on linux [10:45] <--using a MC760 [10:45] quite handy, just plug in the USB cable and the phone asks what to do: charge, mount the internal SD card as a mass storage device or share the internetconnection [10:45] android rocks [10:45] Do they toll you by the Mb? [10:45] no [10:46] Man, that's a good deal [10:46] definitly [10:46] Action: arfon feels gypped at $40/month now [10:46] wuha [10:46] hmm I have to try and play wifi tethering on my droid :) [10:46] those modem are somewhat easier to work with under linux than say windows, windows have those funny ideer with starnge guis, forcing one to reinstall drivers if one uses a differnt usb port and such [10:46] <-was paying $20/month for 200Mb :( [10:46] edthix (~ed@115.133.247.147) joined ##slackware. [10:46] you can get unlimited GPRS here in .nl for about eur 2.50 [10:47] blah blah blah [10:47] surrounder: stop braggin [10:47] surrounder: does your phone have bluetooth? [10:48] edthix (ed@115.133.247.147) left ##slackware. [10:49] HSDPA for Ł5 \o/ [10:50] arfon: yes [10:50] $40 a month? arfon you should move your backside to the UK where the weather is bad but the phone contracts are cheap! [10:50] Dominian: I'm not bragging, just stating facts [10:50] surrounder: bragger! [10:50] :) [10:50] I'd LOVE UK weather [10:50] Texas sux weather wise [10:50] surrounder: what's your phone? [10:51] surrounder: Get IP over bluetooth going on Slackware and tell me how you did it then... :) [10:51] BP{k}: HTC Legend [10:51] arfon: I've read android 2.2 makes stuff like that easier, legend doesn't have it yet :( still waiting for it [10:51] surrounder: root it! ;) [10:52] Action: BP{k} has 2.2 \o/ [10:52] BP{k}: Does it run a 64kernel with 32 elf? :) [10:52] BP{k}: nice! do you notice speed increasing ? [10:52] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.243.130) joined ##slackware. [10:53] s4lv4d0r (1000@190.74.58.93) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:54] surrounder: seems to be slightly faster yes ... :) [10:54] as if bragging couldn't involve 'stating facts' :) [10:54] well, it's not my intention to do so [10:55] Action: alienBOB has unlimited HDSPA 1mbit for 8 euro/month on his HTC legend [10:55] Dumb question: can a bluetooth adapter connect to two other adapters simultaneously? [10:56] surrounder: HTC Desire myself :) [10:56] Makes for a nice wireless Access Point (android 2.2 functionality) [10:56] ...and who is HTC? [10:56] Action: alienBOB has a HTC desire, not a legend [10:56] alienBOB: I was wondering about that :) [10:56] htc evo here [10:56] arfon: taiwanese handset maker. [10:56] Ah [10:56] And jsut now I got message that there is a firmware update again available [10:56] I love the body of the legend, it's really street-proof I noticed [10:57] alienBOB: KPN ? [10:57] No, I have an unbranded phone so the update is coming straaaaaight from HTC [10:57] ow sweet! [10:57] unbranded phones > * [10:58] true, I can't afford that though :P [10:59] htc has been making phones for about a decade now usually rebranded in the us and i think since 06 as been promoted as its own brand [10:59] and KPN doesn't molest the phones as much as vodafone anyway [11:00] i haven't gotten one of the new things cause they still want $100 per phone per month for the unlimited package [11:00] True [11:00] I have a t-mobile carrier subscription, not kpn [11:00] foldy (~foldy@ip-85-160-95-68.eurotel.cz) left irc: Quit: Odcházím [11:01] alienBOB: aah ok, well...depends on where you are I guess, only KPN gives me total coverage [11:02] You in the UK surrounder ? [11:02] no, the Netherlands. [11:02] (asking because I thought BT was the only game in the UK) [11:02] ah [11:02] arfon: uhm ... not really. [11:02] BT lost their monoploy? [11:03] bt hasn't had a monopoly in a long time. Certainly not in the mobile phone market. [11:03] <--did not know that [11:03] that much is clear. :) [11:05] fallertsen (~Franz@emaiti.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:06] wut? [11:06] i lulled. [11:06] VVodafone, T-Mobile, Orange, O2, 3, Virgin Mobile.. are the bigger players out there (I am sure I am forgetting some). O2 is what used to be BT Wireless / BT Cellnet a long time ago. [11:06] s/^V// [11:06] These all sound like good alternatives to Telus, Rogers & Bell (that's the only national Canadian carriers) [11:07] rafu (~rafu@127-226-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:07] In Canada there are 6 or 8 mobile carriers, but they're all owned by these 3 colluding companies. [11:07] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D5645.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:07] Sounds like in the US eviljames [11:07] So their prices and service areas are all the exact same. We choose our carrier by which phone we want because they're all branded & locked! [11:08] Same in the US [11:08] It sounds like a sick joke, but there's no smiley face coming at the end of this... [11:08] Here's mine :( [11:08] mcvj (~mcvj@186.205.173.212) joined ##slackware. [11:08] ;/ [11:08] arfon: Worse than the US, because we're a significantly bigger country with a significantly smaller population.. so the barrier to entry in the mobile market is very, very high. [11:09] Then you get :(( [11:09] Bears need phones too. [11:09] Jedman (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/jedman) left irc: Quit: Damn, WTF happened in 1998 [11:09] hehe [11:10] Urugami (~AndChat@16.sub-97-196-1.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Bye [11:11] I fell sorry for the Mexicans... [11:11] Telmex, that's it [11:11] I feel also [11:12] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [11:17] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:17] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:18] telperion (~Adium@168.176.5.134) joined ##slackware. [11:18] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:19] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:19] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [11:20] arfon: tracfone and walmart cell phones are part of telmex iirc [11:20] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: _marc` [11:20] slacker6896 (~slacker68@f0017-1-88-165-190-90.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:21] Wouldn't suprise me... [11:21] gnubien: actually, tracfone uses the verizon network [11:21] not always [11:21] gnubien: as does straighttalk(the walmart thing) [11:21] they use the cheapest bidder [11:21] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:21] mwalling: well, both an arkansas and new york, they use verizon [11:22] bullshit [11:22] nyRednek: wikipedia tracfone page say part of telmex [11:22] s/both an/both in/ [11:22] in NYCAP, they use T-Mo, AT&T, and verizon [11:22] it depends on the equipment you buy [11:23] gnubien: maybe, but i was just saying which network i've seen them ping [11:23] maybe, yea [11:23] i know two people who went into target, bought two phones (different equipment), and ended up on AT&T and Verizon [11:23] Hi everybody, I am currently sending to myself and by email the status of a remote slackware box by using the simple output of top, free, df, etc. The file is pretty simple. Is there an utility that prints the current status of the system in, let's say, better formating? google points me to some web based utilities, but I cant use them, I need to email me the files [11:23] my phone was on cellular one, then i upgraded and it was ported to verizon [11:23] mwalling: and i'm not disputing you on that, just speaking from what i saw [11:24] Virgin (in Texas) is on Sprint [11:24] arfon: virgin piggybacks off sprint nationwide, afaik [11:25] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [11:25] arfon: now in the UK, virgin is its own network [11:26] So I wonder if those laws forcing telcos to allow piggy-backing has helped us or hurt us (new feature wise) [11:27] telperion: I think this is the only reason people use perl. [11:27] <---uses Perl because most of it makes sense to him [11:28] evijames: thanks. So, is there a perl utility for doing that? [11:28] Curses::UI is kicking my butt though [11:28] my phone is boost, which piggybacks off sprint-nextel [11:28] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [11:29] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) left irc: Quit: And I can't put the needle in... [11:30] anyone tried a grandsteam voip phone? [11:30] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:30] evijames: I found something, will take a look, thanks [11:30] telperion: Does it have to be via email? [11:30] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [11:30] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [11:31] telperion: Look at a program called Argus, it may do what you need... [11:31] arfon: I have no other way to access the machine. The file could be actually different from txt, but the communication is done by email, currently. Do you have another idea? [11:32] It has been awhile since I last used Argus but, we used it to monitor remote boxes [11:33] arfon: thanks, I am looking at it, will check if it monitors both network and system (cpu, memory, disk usage), since it seems suited for network analysis [11:34] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:34] ` [11:37] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [11:40] argus seems more oriented towards network traffic management [11:40] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) joined ##slackware. [11:41] IIRC, you can 'script' it to do almost anything... I may be wrong though. [11:41] We used it to monitor boxes UP/DOWN, mem usage, etc. [11:44] arfon: will check it, thanks all for your help [11:44] telperion (Adium@168.176.5.134) left ##slackware. [11:46] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:48] Now that I've said that, Perl +Net::SMTP will do what you want also :P [11:49] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@78.179.76.124 expired. [11:49] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@78.179.76.124' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [12:01] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] e01_ (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:01] e01_ (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:01] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] cli_ (~cowyn@123.121.10.102) joined ##slackware. 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[12:35] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:36] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:37] StarX (~StarX@201.87.127.7) joined ##slackware. [12:37] StarX (~StarX@201.87.127.7) left irc: Changing host [12:37] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [12:37] revel0___ (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [12:38] ewww arfon [12:39] zongo_ (~zongo@86-41-88-73-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [12:39] waximum (~waximum@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [12:40] n37wk3r (~netwolker@unaffiliated/n37wk3r) joined ##slackware. [12:41] cli_ (~cowyn@123.121.10.102) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:41] Hi to all. i get this error running a perl script Can't locate Net/XMPP.pm, i installed the pkg sendxmpp-0.0.8-noarch-1.tgz but the problem persist...any solution? [12:41] you need Net::XMPP [12:42] perl module [12:42] bnguyen (~chatzilla@210.245.12.44) joined ##slackware. [12:43] cli_ (~cowyn@123.121.10.102) joined ##slackware. [12:44] Dominian, i have to install it with sudo perl -MCPAN -e 'shell' and then install Net::XMP? [12:45] I just su to root and use cpan [12:45] then: install Net::XMPP and run through the prompts [12:45] Action: Dominian shrugs [12:46] Dominian, tkz [12:46] welcome [12:48] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [12:50] Dominian, i did it but i still get this error Can't locate Net/XMPP.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/5.10.0/i486-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/..... [12:50] What are you trying to run? [12:52] ewww Kamii [12:52] ... [12:52] Dominian, this script http://blog.sriunplugged.com/linux/find-invisible-users-in-gmail/ [12:55] n37wk3r you need to install xmpp [12:57] There are requirements listed on that page of what perl modules you need to have installed [12:58] weird... [12:58] mcvj (mcvj@186.205.173.212) left ##slackware ("Fui"). [12:58] i don't think my second nameserver in resolv.conf is being used... [12:58] mancha, i installed the pkg sendxmpp-0.0.8-noarch-1.tgz [12:58] Dominian, i installed those modules [12:58] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:59] then do this in a terminal... [12:59] perl -MNet::XMPP -e 'use Net::XMPP;' [12:59] and see if you get an error [12:59] Necos, ok [12:59] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:59] gtludwig (~gtl@187.112.65.57) joined ##slackware. [13:00] they wont let me take my computer with me on the airplane :S [13:00] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:01] Necos: yep i get the same error [13:01] then you didn't install the module [13:01] n37wk3r you need to install xmpp.pm [13:02] Necos i nstalled the module with cpna [13:02] did it build and install properlY? or did it mention something about "Errors detected.. will not install without force" ? [13:02] Dominian, i try to install it again and see if it gives me an error [13:03] bbl... [13:03] arfon (~arfon@66.87.2.63) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:03] you didn't install it if you're getting a module not found error... [13:04] |Slacker| (~cris@187.112.111.135) left irc: Read error: No route to host [13:04] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-185-230.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [13:05] Necos, it's weird. But i give i /Net::XMPP/ in cpan and it gives me NO error [13:06] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [13:06] read docs to learn how to install perl modules. [13:07] mancha, i give install Net ::XMPP and it suggest me to install it with the command i /Net/ and i /::XMPP/ [13:07] read docs to learn how to install perl modules. [13:07] ok [13:08] no space [13:08] install Net::XMPP [13:08] just like that [13:09] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.58.88.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [13:11] Domian, ehhh actually that did the trick... [13:11] hahahaha [13:11] :P [13:11] but now i get this error You requested that XML::Stream turn the socket into an SSL socket, but you don't have the correct version of IO::Socket::SSL v0.81. at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/XML/Stream/Node.pm line 549 [13:12] when i run the script [13:12] then install it [13:12] install IO::Socket::SSL [13:12] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [13:13] Oh Necos it's installing...ok so i put spaces where they were not needed [13:14] tkz guys [13:14] You said you installe dthe other required perl modules... [13:14] rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) left irc: Quit: rhisa [13:14] IO::Socket::SSL is on the list of 'required' perl modules on that site [13:15] he has it installed probably, but the wrong version [13:15] hah [13:15] Dominian, it looked like it did install other modules, but i guess i was wrong, now i have to install them all again and i'll see [13:16] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-36-154.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:17] OK now the script works \0/...but i'm stupid [13:17] we can't cure that one, sorry... [13:18] Necos, XD [13:19] waximum (~waximum@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:21] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-36-154.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:23] nille_ (1000@m83-178-255-117.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [13:23] qwertyq (~faustphor@host-24-100-49-165.newwavecomm.net) joined ##slackware. [13:24] I can't seem to get kppp to work with my sony-ericsson j105i. It always disconnects with an error mostly error 16. But "pppd call comviq" works with http://nille.pastebin.com/RSGbdNbQ So can anyone guide me how to set up kppp so it works? [13:25] does kppp suppport that modem? [13:27] well since it's an frontend for pppoe connections i think it should be able to handle an ppp connection. I used diffrent 3g modems before and they have worked [13:27] what does pppoe have to do with anything? [13:28] hersonls (~hersonls@189.43.141.102) left irc: Read error: No route to host [13:28] gtludwig (~gtl@187.112.65.57) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:28] sorry i mean ppp connection [13:30] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. 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[14:15] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-6.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:15] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-6.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Changing host [14:15] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [14:15] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:16] atof (~jason@58.69.54.112) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:19] |Slacker| (~cris@200.134.25.13) joined ##slackware. [14:23] arfon (~arfon@66.87.2.52) joined ##slackware. [14:23] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:23] Howdy [14:23] wrong channel arfon [14:24] Oh, sorry... maent to go to #ArfonIsTheGreatest.... [14:24] too bad that's in the wrong name space [14:24] ;) [14:24] :( [14:25] Urugami (~AndChat@18.sub-97-228-13.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [14:25] Why do I keep getting invites to #lamerz? [14:25] arfon: who's doing the invites? [14:25] (joking) [14:26] i used to own #hacker on efnet till i got backstabbed [14:26] obviously jeev is doing the inviting there. [14:26] damnit [14:26] eviljames, go back to making sure the squeegees are clean enough for the trailers to use [14:26] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:27] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:28] Iraqi (~Iraqi@95.170.223.30) joined ##slackware. [14:29] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:32] Are you gonna tell us the story Jeev? [14:32] Intrigue and espionage on efnet? [14:32] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [14:33] |Slacker| (~cris@200.134.25.13) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:34] ratono (~ratono@unaffiliated/ratono) joined ##slackware. [14:34] gatonegro (~gatonegro@189.195.6.102) joined ##slackware. [14:36] I think he meant " I used to own #hacker on efnet till I got hacked" [14:37] Action: mishehu chuckles [14:37] [ideology!] hi, in a new Linux OS installation, i have installed the selective packages, in the spanish-room, the users say that doesn't proceed in the same way in Slack, install the whole DVD or entire software series, it's like that? (sorry for my bad english) [14:37] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) joined ##slackware. [14:38] mishehu, dont troll in here [14:38] i've never been hacked, ok only once.. i wouldn't call guessing my temp root password of 'password' being hacked. [14:38] in 15 years of owning the planet, it's happened once. [14:38] jeev: you don't know the meaning of the word "troll" apparently. [14:38] i dont. [14:38] i meant roll around in here. [14:39] yeah I wouldn't want to roll around here here... these irc channel floors get to be like the movie theatre floors... [14:39] true [14:40] of course my head is kinda gummed up like those floors today too. couldn't sleep until 45 min before I had to wake up. :-/ [14:40] so it made testing my stupid php billing app go slooooooow [14:41] you guys are great at billing. [14:41] i couldn't sleep last night either, felt like someone was aiming an xray machine through my walls [14:41] troy (~troy@dsl-69-172-83-180.acanac.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:42] ferdna (~yup@cpe-24-92-114-97.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:46] amazing that you can sense xrays [14:46] you must be an xman [14:46] anyway... it's lunchtime! [14:46] |Slacker| (1000@189.117.85.41) joined ##slackware. [14:50] Hi guys, I would need clarification on what is the best way to install plugin libflashplayer.so under slackware 13.1 [14:51] I seem to be missing something here [14:51] zongo_, get it from slackbuilds.org imo [14:51] ok for the plugins but I would need light permissions issues [14:51] I am new to slackware and all is working well [14:52] gatonegro (gatonegro@189.195.6.102) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:52] but I am a bit confused: I installed the system with root [14:52] I just copy the .so where it needs to go. [14:52] ratono (~ratono@unaffiliated/ratono) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:52] when the system was installed i created another user in order not to user root anymore [14:52] /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ [14:52] you still need root for system maintenance [14:52] uh... [14:52] somethings still need root... [14:52] zongo_: su -c 'cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib{,64?}/mozilla/plugins && chown root:root && chmod 644...' 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[14:54] eventhough I was using su "username" [14:54] then password [14:54] use 'su - [14:54] but did not do it [14:54] i tried to use su - but I had installed the plugin with my user and not root [14:54] so got permissions issues again [14:55] if you are the only user on the pc, put the flash plugin in ~/.mozilla/plugins/ [14:55] ratono (~ratono@unaffiliated/ratono) left irc: Client Quit [14:55] if you want to install the .so as user put in it /home/user/.mozilla/plugins [14:55] tsccof (~tsccof@187.52.22.10) joined ##slackware. [14:56] Coming from Ubuntu that I was using for a while i guess slackware is different in that matter :) [14:56] mishehu, i am one amazing man [14:56] firefox looks for plug ins in many directories [14:56] actually, ubuntu is different in that matter than most other distro's [14:56] what matter? *curious* [14:57] alisonken1home, never actually though of seeing that way :) [14:57] what? [14:57] every distro is different [14:57] was using only Ubuntu and now Slackware [14:57] zongo_: how does it turn out for you? [14:58] tsccof, pretty well actually. I found the slackware CD in a magazine 13.1 and gave it a try, against all odds since I am fare from being profficient with linux [14:59] all is working well besides minor glitches [14:59] I went for xfce [14:59] but tick the KDE option as well when installing [14:59] :) xfce rules [15:00] kde is terrible big [15:00] so, I have all KDE options + xfce [15:00] kde 4 feels sluggish [15:00] was using KDE before and I would agree. KDE seems to be bloated [15:01] xfce is light weight and lot more adapted for my small notebook [15:01] it looks great, but it just feels sluggish :p [15:01] I liked KDE 3.5, though [15:01] one weird effect of xfce though is that everytime i restart my unit, all my desktop settings are gone [15:02] need to apply them once more [15:02] ie: left handed mouse [15:02] ;o [15:02] that never happened to me [15:03] I had some glitches when running XFCE on Gentoo/Arch [15:03] such as the desktop not reloading itself after a new file was created [15:03] the file wouldn't appear, unless I pressed F5 [15:04] though I have never experienced that glitch on Slackware [15:04] even when compiling all XFCE packages myself [15:04] yay [15:04] I tried display settings with xfce apps but does not work. I am using the KDE settings apps which make my profile sticks for the session [15:05] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:05] still haven't figure out why this is happening [15:05] love the script for installing apps though [15:05] do you use a login manager? [15:05] kdm is pretty [15:06] adaptr: agreed ;p [15:06] so htat's what I use [15:09] no i dont [15:09] I love the fact that the X is separate and I can start whenever I feel like it [15:10] Action: nyRednek uses gdm [15:10] tsccof (~tsccof@187.52.22.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:11] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:11] does pretty mean functionable? [15:11] kdm is probably the functional [15:11] the most* [15:12] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [15:12] dustybin: it's pretty good...if you want to see it, build it(it's on SBo [15:12] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-70-13.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:12] it's lighter on resources than kdm, more functional than xdm [15:12] i might test it one day [15:12] im quite happy with i3 [15:12] mfilpot is a author!!! calling himself a `2010 linux guru' [15:12] omg [15:12] the sky is failin [15:13] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:13] linux.com guru [15:13] So? [15:13] i'm just shocked [15:13] nyRednek: um. kdm comes with the stock distribution. it isn't on sbo. [15:14] adaptr: was talking about gdm on SBo [15:14] oh, but he asked about kdm [15:14] adaptr: my bad... [15:14] quiznos is still alive lol [15:14] np [15:14] I think kdm is moar prettier than gdm, but that's very individual [15:15] deco: ah, right, i was wondering what this nick reminded me of [15:16] haha yup sahko [15:17] Yeah and I am watching [15:17] i keep seeing 'sahko' and thinking he's armenian, since it's sako in armenian [15:17] hey alienbo [15:17] b [15:17] Hi jee [15:17] v [15:18] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [15:18] adaptr: it's a matter of opinion [15:18] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:19] nyRednek: yes, that's broadly what "individual" means to me... [15:19] gtludwig (~gtl@187.112.65.57) joined ##slackware. [15:19] pupit (p@unaffiliated/pupit) left ##slackware. [15:19] bnguyen (~chatzilla@210.245.12.44) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:20] josemanuel (~josemanue@248.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [15:23] telperion (~Adium@proxy2.unal.edu.co) joined ##slackware. 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[15:55] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.58.88.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:56] mr-S^b43 (~Mr-S^b32@524B83CE.cm-4-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) left irc: Client Quit [15:56] FriedBob: I'm in the opposite camp. I agree with a lot of what he says, but I always preferred vim [15:56] vi/vim/elvis/whatever [15:57] all NIX* have vi [15:57] coredumb (~coredumb@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [15:59] vim 2nd tip of the day: :.,$d this will delete EVERYTHING below [15:59] |Slacker| (1000@187.47.239.41) joined ##slackware. [16:01] Prefect_ (Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [16:01] crocket (1000@112.214.154.58) joined ##slackware. [16:02] Woohoo!!! I'm running GTA4 in slackware. [16:02] I'm using wine to do this. [16:02] lol [16:02] crocket: really? I would have guessed evince [16:02] evince? [16:03] evince is a document viewer [16:03] duh [16:03] Mr-b^32 (~sven@524B83CE.cm-4-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) joined ##slackware. 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[16:45] dwm [16:45] but same in fluxbox as well [16:46] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:46] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [16:46] or do I have to define it in xorg.conf ? [16:46] you can define it in xorg.conf as well [16:47] newslacker (~root@207-119-200-122.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [16:47] any other way? dont have a xorg.conf file. it works without so [16:47] or is that the easiest way? [16:47] You an do it the 'hal' way [16:48] then I just make a keybinding for switching between norwegian and english when I need to [16:49] Copy /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymap.fdi to /etc/hal/fdi/policy and edit that file. See also CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT in the Slackware DVD's root directory [16:49] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [16:49] thanks :) will do that... [16:50] wow [16:50] gabriel_ (~gabriel@nat-cc-inf.campus.utfsm.cl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:51] I really like the support on this place :) love the distro, love the support :) [16:52] Kowalczyk: spread the word :) [16:52] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:54] Mowah (~Mowah@c-078ae555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:54] alienBOB: hey, about audacious. ive figured out it needs ffmpeg to play the wma, i thought it supported it already :\ [16:55] wma is an evil file format. Use ffmpeg to convert it [16:56] rafu (~rafu@127-226-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:56] yeah [16:57] gtludwig (~gtl@189.114.198.208.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:58] gtludwig (~gtl@189.114.198.208.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [16:58] gtludwig (~gtl@189.114.198.208.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:59] gtludwig (~gtl@189.114.198.208.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [16:59] pupiteee: oh yeah [16:59] thanks for the help alienBOB :) [16:59] anyway.. good night slackers :P [17:02] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_crrr [17:04] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-253.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:04] my VIM has suddenly errored with: E388: Couldn't find definition [17:05] could this be the work of a rouge package? [17:05] pupiteee (~p@91-150-106-66.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs) left irc: Changing host [17:05] pupiteee (~p@unaffiliated/pupiteee) joined ##slackware. [17:06] logging out and in to shell solved [17:08] Urugami (~AndChat@18.sub-97-228-13.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Bye [17:09] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:10] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-185-230.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:11] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Quit: http://blog.KeepingYouHonest.net && http://yashunda.com [17:16] n37wk3r (~netwolker@unaffiliated/n37wk3r) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [17:18] newslacker (root@207-119-200-122.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. [17:18] I'm compiling wine 1.3.3 which is speculated to support running GTA4. [17:20] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-178-147.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:20] crocket: wasn't it already running ? [17:20] |Slacker| (~cris@200.146.78.239.static.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:20] I was running installer [17:20] aha [17:22] foldy (~foldy@mail.foldy.org) left irc: Quit: Odcházím [17:23] Nachzeher (~robe.slac@189.174.184.2) joined ##slackware. [17:23] Nachzeher (robe.slac@189.174.184.2) left ##slackware. [17:23] gbowden (~gbowden@83.43.81.212) joined ##slackware. [17:26] alienBOB: you know offhand if your commoncpp2 slackbuild should build ok on x86_64? [17:26] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:26] newslacker (~root@207-119-200-122.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] gbowden (~gbowden@83.43.81.212) left irc: Client Quit [17:31] chopp: probably not like that... my package was for Slackware 11.0... almost 4 years old [17:31] What used it? twinkle? [17:31] yeah twinkle [17:32] ViniciusPXMB (~phantomx@201-25-76-99.bsace705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:32] ViniciusPXMB (~phantomx@201-25-76-99.bsace705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Changing host [17:32] ViniciusPXMB (~phantomx@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) joined ##slackware. [17:34] gabriel (~gabriel@nat-cc-inf.campus.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [17:35] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [17:35] hmm.. is 11.0 four years old already? [17:35] damn, im living in stoneage then [17:35] :) [17:35] dru1d (~grafzero@82.177.172.217) joined ##slackware. [17:36] also means you have an old ass computer probably ;) [17:36] linux-m00n (~oseba@89-212-156-60.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [17:37] mr-S^b43 (~Mr-S^b32@524B83CE.cm-4-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:37] has anyone dd'd a live drive via nc to something else ? recommended? [17:37] old comp sexy [17:38] i did. [17:38] without umount it [17:39] i have nothing on that network with 250gigs though, used space is only like 11 gigs. hmm [17:40] ea_suter (~easuter@clv-11.temp.uevora.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:41] gabriel (~gabriel@nat-cc-inf.campus.utfsm.cl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:42] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:44] zongo_ (~zongo@86-41-88-73-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [17:44] cr4ck (~unknown@189.31.165.118) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:44] jeev: compress it on the fly if it's too big. [17:44] SpacePlod, n t that it's too big to transfer, i dont have anything big enough to send 250gig to, im sure zero's wont take up space though or will it record the entire thing [17:44] one way to find out i guess [17:45] jeev: compress at the SOURCE and then send over the wire... [17:45] ok [17:45] simple gzip [17:45] dd | gzip -c | nc [17:46] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [17:46] cr4ck (~unknown@189.31.165.118) joined ##slackware. [17:46] Hey Guys, I am coming to you for some best practice with Slackware 13.1 and sound. I cant really find anything clear cut out there [17:48] wharncliffe (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [17:48] Slack seems to be more Alsa than Pulse Audio, is this right ? [17:48] Slackware does not have pulseaudio at all [17:49] troy (~troy@66.135.115.43) joined ##slackware. [17:49] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-95-12-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:49] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:50] certain apps cant play sound, that led me to think that may be I am doing something wrong with my settings. I used to use Pulse Audio a lot with Ubuntu and was wondering what would be best with slackware ? [17:51] All apps should be able to make sound if they came with Slackware [17:51] (and if they were meant to make sounds) [17:52] Can you give specifics please [17:52] zongo_, Perhaps it would be more efficient to say which apps are having problems [17:52] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: _marc` [17:52] for example audacious cant play sound. youtube cant play sound as well but i guess that may be linked to the plugin [17:53] the only app that plays sound is mplayer [17:53] but with error message [17:53] ALSA error snd_pcm_open failed: No such file or directory [17:53] If you have your soundcard set up right (check with alsamixer at console) then anything should be able to play through ALSA. [17:53] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [17:54] sound card ok. mplayer is playing ok but with low sound output on external speakers [17:55] StarX (~StarX@201.87.127.7) joined ##slackware. [17:55] StarX (~StarX@201.87.127.7) left irc: Changing host [17:55] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [17:55] alienBOB: you forgot to add "thank gawd" to the bit about slackware not comign with pulseaudio [17:55] PulseAudio is a really crappy thing 90% of the time. [17:55] God does not have to be thanked. We kept it out [17:55] The other 10% is when it works with Bluetooth audio. [17:56] alienBOB: he can be thanked for making sure that slackware team is intelligent :-) [17:56] kwabbles (~kwabbles@h-67-101-178-243.lsanca54.static.covad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:56] heh [17:56] ALSA is good enough. [17:56] output of 'lsmod|grep '^snd' | column -t' --> http://pastebin.com/pLPpsrZy [17:57] I am far from being proficient but that tells me that sound card seems to be ok [17:57] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:58] pulseaudio is not that bad. blame the ubuntards for putting it in the distro before it was done [17:58] zongo_: and what happens if you run "alsamixer" ? [17:58] sahk0: no, it's bad. [17:58] unless you like added latency [17:58] sahk0, it was bad before it was coded. [17:59] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [17:59] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [17:59] good one mishehu --> 'This sound device does not have any playback controls. ' [17:59] Layering a broken API on top of a broken API doesn't create a fixed API. [17:59] mishehu, remember the claim that PA is *faster* than ALSA? [17:59] zongo_: lspci | grep Audio [18:00] korg815 (~korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [18:00] Motoko-chan: I don't recall that but maybe that's because my mind blocked out such an incredulous statement... [18:01] btw, anybody still find a need to have the snd_pcm/seq/mixer_oss modules in their system? [18:01] 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03 [18:01] I've not had a need to do so for quite a while [18:01] slackwares mplayer uses oss by default [18:02] zongo_: get out your trust google and search, you might have to provide a param to the snd_hda_intel module. [18:02] ScreamerX: and if oss is not in does it automatically try alsa then? [18:02] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:02] I don't have libsmbclient on my system so I can't run mplayer right now [18:02] Action: mishehu is lazy [18:03] SpacePlod, raping lan with the transfer.. :) [18:03] will do mishehu :) [18:03] tanks god for gzip [18:03] surrounder (~surrounde@dhcp-077-248-081-063.chello.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:03] surrounder (~surrounde@dhcp-077-248-081-063.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:03] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [18:03] I recall having to pass -ao alsa to mplayer. Otherwise, the volume controls in mplayer could not be adjusted. [18:03] mishehu: run ´cat /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf | grep ao´ [18:04] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-434822.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:04] arfon (~arfon@66.87.2.52) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:04] and i dont think that any modules should be removed [18:04] just dont load them in case you dont need them [18:06] screa,. why mpt gre[ [18:06] wow [18:06] ScreamerX, why not grep ao /etc/mplayer/mplayer... [18:06] jeev, would also be possible :-) [18:09] i used to do that for such a long time before i realized i could do it with grep [18:09] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [18:09] i used to combine "find" with "grep" [18:10] wow heh [18:10] arnis (~arnis@62.122.16.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [18:10] and i realized: grep has a "-r" option [18:10] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:11] you just realized? :D [18:11] no, loooong time ago [18:11] :-) [18:12] im using linux since redhat 5 [18:12] i've been rooting redhat since a i dont even remember which version [18:13] *g* [18:13] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [18:14] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-72-44.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:16] arnis (~arnis@62.122.16.30) joined ##slackware. [18:17] ViniciusPXMB (~phantomx@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) left irc: Quit: Usar Linux amacia o cabelo [18:17] anyone know why "red hat" ? [18:18] does wikipedia know? [18:18] communists [18:18] lol [18:18] well i think ewing used to wear red hats all the time [18:18] but i forgets [18:18] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:18] red hats? dont you think that looks ... gay? [18:18] linux-m00n (~oseba@89-212-156-60.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:19] mancha is closest [18:19] mancha is a closet [18:20] doesnt make sense [18:20] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: disconnecting. [18:23] Jedman (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/jedman) joined ##slackware. [18:23] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [18:25] shonudo (user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [18:29] cr4ck` (~unknown@187.54.214.239) joined ##slackware. [18:29] cr4ck (~unknown@189.31.165.118) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:30] wharncliffe (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:31] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. 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[18:41] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:44] lori_ (~lori@c-67-191-180-206.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:48] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:49] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-46-92.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:50] You ever get the feeling to pick up your pc and throw it out the window? [18:50] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:50] only when i eat a peppermint patty [18:50] lol [18:52] kwabbles (~kwabbles@h-67-101-178-243.lsanca54.static.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:54] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [18:55] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [18:58] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-72-44.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [18:59] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [19:01] gtludwig (~gtl@189.114.198.208.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:05] does anyone use kde 4.5.1 with the nvidia blob? [19:05] does it work ok? [19:06] sahk0, I tried -current few days ago, I'm not happy with it (I tried latest driver), I have nv8600 [19:07] sahk0, I'm running -current here with latest nvidia blob and it seems to work ok [19:07] bitlord_: why not happy? [19:08] sahk0, but ok to me might not be ok to you and vice-versa... ;D [19:08] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:08] gniks1 (~sking@24.238.12.206) joined ##slackware. [19:09] zongo_ (~zongo@86-41-88-73-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:09] sahk0, it's slow, and everything working bad for me, without oxygen decoration it's little better, but too much lag on dualcore machine with 2GiB of ram, and nv8600 [19:10] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094761/ [19:10] on my setup it's not for everyday use, that's my opinion [19:13] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [19:13] |Slacker| (~cris@200.146.78.239.static.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:13] you guys know of any software that emulates a joystick from a mouse? [19:13] o_O [19:16] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.244) joined ##slackware. [19:16] gtludwig, maybe this http://sourceforge.net/projects/joymouse-linux/ [19:16] Why would you want a joystick mouse? It'd be really inaccurate [19:17] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Quit: cu [19:17] bitlord_, i got that, but wanted the other way around [19:17] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:17] gartt, so I can use the mouse as joystick in flight sim games [19:19] rhisa (~rhisa@ool-457ab193.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] rhisa (~rhisa@ool-457ab193.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Changing host [19:19] rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) joined ##slackware. [19:22] gtludwig: Sorry, I read it backwards- I thought you wanted to use a joystick as a mouse. My mistake [19:22] Action: gartt takes his heavy dyslexia meds. [19:22] Prefect_ (Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [19:23] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:23] Action: mancha takes his lysdexia meds [19:23] mancha: Finally, someone who knows how to order his letters! 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[19:45] KaMii, that's for X [19:45] I used to use bandwidthd [19:45] but that was a long time ago [19:45] i want network bandwidth monitoring [19:46] mishehu, ahh yeah id seen that one [19:47] atom 330 router for a small business.. is actually really snappy while im setting stuff up and using X :P [19:47] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [19:47] guess having an intel SSD doesnt hurt [19:48] FrankD, possible list here: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/bandwidth-monitoring-tools-for-linux.html [19:48] oh, and where can I find out which filesystems have Trim support? [19:49] ntop is listed there, which might work. [19:49] FrankD: ext4 [19:49] test34 (~test34@c-69-244-243-126.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] test34 (~test34@c-69-244-243-126.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [19:49] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [19:50] hexhawk, thats it? 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[21:26] feinom (feinom@feinom.forcebox.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:26] gtludwig (~gtl@189.114.198.208.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:27] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:27] Nick change: Iraqi -> HelpHotLine [21:27] Has anyone been able to get any of the radeon graphics cards to work properly [21:28] eviljames (~james@S0106001d7e684945.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:28] what a loaded question. [21:28] until it is rephrased in "smart" i don't think i'll try answering. [21:28] Urugami (~AndChat@adsl-240-140-219.msy.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:28] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [21:30] newslacker (root@207-119-200-122.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. [21:30] feinom (feinom@feinom.forcebox.org) joined ##slackware. [21:32] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. 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[21:48] does anyone know of sms sending software? Just the gui part, not the actual server? [21:50] I don't know of any general purpose ones since that would require access to the cellular network. [21:50] telperion (~Adium@190.156.36.117) joined ##slackware. [21:50] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:50] Nick change: jhell_ -> jhell [21:51] telperion (Adium@190.156.36.117) left ##slackware. [21:52] Nick change: frk -> freack [21:52] freack (~jcn@189.58.219.228.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [21:52] freack (~jcn@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [21:53] Motoko-chan, I have an sms server setup here and can send from command line, but a gui with address book would be nice [21:53] looks like I may have to make a web interface or something for it [21:53] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488EFB1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:05] rob0: thanks, rc.local would be the last resort, perhaps I'll go with rc.firewall then, because I'm already using it for iptables rules and I will also have a couple of rules that will mark packets for QoS purposes [22:07] next one is not slackware specific, but I'll try my luck anyway: if I assign misc priorities to outgoing packets, how do I see that the ones with lower priority indeed leave first? [22:07] are there any tools that make debugging QoS things easier? [22:16] yht (~yht@118.96.121.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:16] |Slacker| (~cris@187.112.111.135) joined ##slackware. [22:18] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-52-230.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] sukaeto (~sukaeto@pool-173-49-229-225.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Why can't I just eat my waffle? [22:19] heya,folks [22:20] hi MLanden [22:20] heya hexhawk [22:22] yht (~yht@118.96.121.225) joined ##slackware. [22:23] evanton could try using iptables -j LOG rules for debugging. I think that might have the information you need. [22:23] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [22:23] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [22:23] rob0: I have issues understanding how could that work [22:24] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.243.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:24] I'm thinking about something that could log a packet (with a timestamp) when it is queued to be sent and that could log it one more time when the packet it is actually sent [22:24] it might not, just an idea [22:25] if I would have such a log, it would be easy to track individual packets and compare how much they stay in the queues and which ones are being sent first [22:25] this is new stuff for me, for now I just know about tc qdisc show [22:26] this displays stats, is useful to debug bandwidth allocation, but not different priorities [22:27] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:33] What linux os's are close to slackware ? [22:34] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [22:36] NS, I guess that all depends what you mean by "close". I just use Slackware, which by all measures is as close to Slackware as any distro could ever be. [22:36] heh [22:37] Close meaning actually being the way linux is suppose to be and not filled with a bunch of junk like theyre doing with the other distros out there. [22:38] so you want something that's close to slackware, but not slackware. why not slackware? [22:38] LFS [22:39] Cant seem to get my graphics card in my laptop to work properly in it . [22:40] why? [22:40] Figured if all else fails then maybe i can find a os close to slackware that will support the card. [22:40] rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) left irc: Quit: rhisa [22:41] Nick change: _SuBmUnDo -> SuBmUnDo [22:41] generally, a certain distro is not to be blamed for something like this [22:41] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@208.98.61.45) left irc: Changing host [22:41] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) joined ##slackware. [22:41] a certain kernel version rather is, or the attitude of your hardware manufacturer, who don't provide drivers [22:42] its a ati radeon xpress 200m . Everyone seems to either say it wont work because of some propietary software stuff or that it does work and the help they try to give doesnt seem to be enough to get it to work properly with the 3d rendering [22:42] it just won't work, or it won't work in slackware? [22:43] Im talking about people in the forums [22:43] One thing that might be worth trying, is ANY recent distro. If your card works in that distro, find out how they made it work, and then you can make it work in Slackware. [22:43] That's old enough that radeon should support it. The proprietary drivers certainly won't, though. [22:44] "Recent" means not RHEL/CentOS or Debian Ancient. [22:45] And im wanting to be able to use 3d tools so I pretty much need it. [22:50] newslacker: check this link, looks like the driver you need: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/legacy/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx [22:51] it's a '.run' file... just run it as root, without X running [22:51] That probably won't work since, iirc, it's about a year or so old [22:51] what's a year or so old? [22:52] That driver [22:52] the card is older than that [22:52] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:52] the page says it supports the "Xpress" series [22:52] That's a year for the kernel and X teams to have completely broken everything [22:53] true, but prolly worth a try [22:53] it lists a bunch of X versions that it supports [22:53] all the way to 7.4. What the hell version are we on now? [22:54] (for Slack 13.1) [22:54] The radeon driver in X is probably a better bet. That driver will never recieve updates so when X or the kernel do break it (assuming they haven't already), it'll never get fixed [22:54] diabel (~ruut@xdsl-1228.zgora.dialog.net.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [22:54] rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) joined ##slackware. [22:54] does the radeon driver support 3D/openGL? [22:54] On a card that old it should [22:55] ok, well it looks like 'newslacker' isn't seeing any of this anyway... [22:55] Yet another reason to ensure you have Nvidia hardware in anything you buy... [22:56] newslacker: you getting any of this? [22:56] im here [22:57] did you see the link? [22:57] ya im downloading it now [22:57] did you try the 'radeon' driver (built in)? [22:57] ok [22:58] Hm. [22:58] I'm surprised. [22:58] WoW doesn't work now under latest wine from sbo.org. [22:58] Anyone know what's up? [22:58] im talking to someone on linuxquestions about this as well they said they have the same card in theyre system and that it works in theyre system. And they are telling me how they set theyres up so far tho what they are telling me isnt working. [23:00] rhisa: no, nobody cares about wow or wine. [23:00] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/driver-issue-833506/page2.html [23:01] Thats the convo . It makes me look like a pretty big idiot but hey im new to linux and slack lol . [23:02] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@c-98-212-175-103.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:02] iGaucho (~iGaucho@72.8.67.132) joined ##slackware. [23:04] cell_x (~cell_x@ip98-162-234-8.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] everyone's dead, yea? [23:05] Okay so this is what I'm told from #winehq. [23:06] not i [23:06] kevlarman, 2.6.33.4-smp #2 SMP [23:06] rhisa: that's a broken kernel [23:06] So Slackware 13.1's kernel is broken. [23:06] rhisa: probably something do with signals [23:06] rhisa: that's easy to claim. what is so broken about it? did they say? [23:06] rhisa: no, nobody cares about wow or wine. [23:07] rhisa: is it wow you're trying to get working? [23:07] jgeboski, yes. [23:07] yes just get a newer kernel there is issues with one of the signals and wine [23:08] :(... [23:08] I don't feel confident doing that just for WoW. [23:08] so go play it in Windoze. [23:08] for get the exact one there was a patch floating around some where but, i don't remember where [23:08] rhisa: It's not that bad is it? [23:10] Simply upgrading the kernel sounds like an easy fix to me. When I was still trying to play Windows games on Linux, most of the fixes were a lot more involved than that (if they even existed, or worked reliably) [23:10] jgeboski, it crashes. [23:10] So you can't play it. [23:10] rhisa: that's due to the issue with one of the signals with the kernel wine wants or doesn't have [23:11] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:11] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.150.141) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [23:11] jgeboski, ugh. [23:11] There has to be an alternative. [23:12] there was a patch floating around [23:12] you might be able to without rebuilding everything [23:12] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Quit: BBIAB disk switch [23:12] rhisa: your easiest route would be to just make a new kernel [23:12] Where's the patch do you know? I'm looking in WoW now. [23:12] jgeboski, atm for someone like me, building a kernel is risky. [23:13] Since I don't fully know what I'm doiong. [23:13] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.179.170) joined ##slackware. [23:14] Well, no time like the present to learn. Or else get real friends and abandon the night elves for a bit. Your choice. [23:14] haha [23:14] rhisa: you can do it, it very simple [23:15] MS3FGX, I haven't played for one year. :| [23:15] I wanna play. [23:15] rhisa: could this be a sign not to play? [23:16] rhisa: http://i.imgur.com/1RaC3.jpg [23:16] :) [23:16] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [23:16] viriatus (~viriatus@189.107.10.61) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:17] jgeboski: I think I had a better one somewhere [23:17] I'm trying to find it now [23:17] I can get to the login screen too. [23:18] rhisa: just get the lastest source from kernel.org [23:18] and build it off your old config [23:18] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [23:18] aka the slackware default config [23:19] jgeboski: http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/469/gamerb.jpg [23:19] mom says "Son, go play outside" [23:19] lmao [23:19] The driver that was recommended to me errored out [23:19] lol [23:19] That's so cute. [23:19] jgeboski, Zordrak wrote a guide but I'm still not 100% confident. [23:19] :| [23:20] rhisa: I first learned how to rebuild a kernel when I was 14 [23:20] yeah....2.6.35.5 just got released in the last 24 hours..seems to be stable [23:20] rhisa: you can do it =) [23:20] jgeboski: btw, what look of the terminal is that? some kind of theme? [23:20] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:21] evanton: yes. XFCE with a theme called Azenis [23:21] got it on xfce-look.org [23:21] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [23:21] Bah, give me a step by step guide then, I'll do it. [23:21] looks nice, I was hoping it's fluxbox, because that's what I'm using [23:22] won't switch to xfce just for the theme [23:22] jgeboski: good theme....good with the binary clock setting...the colors aren't reversed [23:22] evanton: I like XFCE for the fact it plays nice with my monitors [23:22] MLanden: clock settings? [23:23] jgeboski: yeah [23:25] the_gato (~gato@cpe-72-230-116-7.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:27] evanton, MLanden: http://i.imgur.com/ZTCo4.jpg That's the theme [23:27] rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) left irc: Quit: rhisa [23:27] I like it as it's dark but not black. It doesn't blind me with white either when i have the lights out in the room [23:28] I'm using a world map as background [23:28] it is updated by a cron job with dots meaning IP addresses that hit me [23:28] i use to have a image of earth but changed it up [23:29] by the way the panel at the bottom isn't that bad it's actually stripes but jpeg messed up quality [23:29] the Earth has an image of me for a background [23:30] I am the car wreck it can't look away from [23:30] thegato (~gato@cpe-72-230-116-7.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:31] iceheart (~nihao@222.45.136.189) joined ##slackware. [23:33] jgeboski: where do you have xfce's libnotify positioned? [23:33] viriatus (~viriatus@189.107.10.61) joined ##slackware. [23:34] upper right of what ever monitor my cursor is on, MLanden [23:35] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [23:35] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [23:36] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [23:36] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [23:36] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@r74-192-29-7.bcstcmta01.clsttx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] jgeboski: ok..lower left here....gcolor's good to change the color scheme when I change the wallpaper to match up with conky [23:37] gcolor2,I mean [23:37] ganeshix (~ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:37] hi all [23:37] lil question [23:37] on slack 13.1 [23:38] asarch (~asarch@189.188.147.199) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:38] ask away, ganeshix [23:38] kde 4.4.3 [23:38] there was a short blackout while working on kde 4.4.3 [23:38] when i was able to reboot, all my config of kde was lost [23:38] MLanden: I'll look into gcolor2. I've been pretty please with scheme from Azenis theme package [23:39] thanks for the gcolor2 info, ML [23:39] is there any way i can recover my kde confs? [23:39] i don't know kde 4.* yet [23:39] s/ML/MLanden [23:39] i'm going to learn about it [23:40] do you delete your .kde directory? [23:40] jgeboski: np....was speaking of xfce's libnotify color scheme...think I got the one from Mint varied from ZOMG-Ponies and modded it [23:41] iceheart (~nihao@222.45.136.189) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:41] netrixtardis (~leoem@praetorian.stealth3.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:42] MLanden: http://imgur.com/gXi7D [23:43] jgeboski: cool [23:43] kwabbles (~kwabbles@cpe-75-83-81-202.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:43] iGaucho (~iGaucho@72.8.67.132) left irc: Quit: iGaucho [23:44] netrixtardis (~leoem@praetorian.stealth3.com) joined ##slackware. [23:45] jgeboski: http://ompldr.org/vNWx6OQ [23:46] MLanden: nice :) [23:46] and the binary clock, now i know what you meant by that above haha [23:47] MLanden: I wish I had opacity on my notifications [23:51] jgeboski: might be the GtkWidget::link-color in my rc [23:52] hey MLanden; hey jgeboski [23:52] I think it's due to my graphics setup [23:52] Onyxyte (~Onyxyte@r75-110-112-109.rmntcmtc02.rcmtnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [23:52] hey there, shonudo, how're you? [23:52] well, thanks [23:52] MLanden: Xinerama seems to mess with opacity [23:54] freack (~jcn@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:54] jgeboski: yeah...that's a hard one to fine-tune [23:57] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@c-98-212-175-103.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Erp. So that's what kill %1 does! [23:57] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@cl-19.chi-03.us.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [23:58] heya,shonudo...How's your night going? sorry on the late reply [23:59] np... night sort of sucks; i think the battery in my car is dying/dead [23:59] lol [23:59] it'll make for a fun morning tomorrow [00:00] --- Wed Sep 22 2010