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[00:03] <Quiznos> wow no chat re slack
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[00:04] <Quiznos> well obv.ly there's a history with you folks
[00:04] <Quiznos> i'm impressed.
[00:04] <Quiznos> so, what's it like to have a social life? :)
[00:04] <Quiznos> heh
[00:05] Action: quasar blinks
[00:05] <Quiznos> dont give me those baby-yellows (your nick highlighted) heh
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[00:05] <yesyes> i have a social life
[00:06] <quasar> according to my psych: it's alright to talk to yourself, alright to ask yourself questions and answer them.. as long as you're not asking yourself "huh?" or "what?" you're fine..
[00:06] <yesyes> but slack...
[00:06] <yesyes> what can i say...
[00:06] <Quiznos> quasar heh
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[00:07] <bigpaws>     http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:1918411
[00:07] <bigpaws> oops
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[00:17] <|alisonken1churc> the next quesion is "why doesn't slackpkg use the $TEMP variable in the config file?"
[00:17] <Quiznos> for testing of /tmp existence
[00:17] <|alisonken1churc> nope - doesn't use it at all
[00:17] <Quiznos> but the called-tools might
[00:18] <|alisonken1churc> nope
[00:18] <andarius> why would it need $TEMP ?
[00:18] <|alisonken1churc> slackpkg uses TMPDIR rather than TEMP
[00:18] <|alisonken1churc> andarius: because I have a huge partition on /home and would rather not fill up the small / partition
[00:19] <macavity> quasar: by that metric i am not fine :P
[00:19] <|alisonken1churc> root partition is only 7G, but the /home partition is 70G
[00:19] <Quiznos> Ken, so if script doesnt use /tmp and no called-tools use the var, then rm it by virtue of Tao-of-cruft
[00:20] <|alisonken1churc> Quiznos: unfortunately, the script DOES use /tmp - I would rather it use /home/slackpkg/.tmp
[00:20] <edman007> 70G is huge?
[00:20] <|alisonken1churc> edman007: on an 80G drive - yes :)
[00:20] <Quiznos> |alisonken1churc so set your own `VAR=val  scriptcall'
[00:20] <Quiznos> as we do with ./configure sometimes
[00:21] <|alisonken1churc> did - slackpkg.conf had a TEMP= variable. it just doesn't use it
[00:21] <edman007> or in this case TMPDIR
[00:21] <andarius> hmm, perhaps mine is old, i have a "TEMP" in my slackpkg config
[00:21] <Quiznos> ok
[00:21] <macavity> alias slackpkg='TEMPDIR=/home/slackpkg/.tmp/ slackpkg'
[00:21] <Quiznos> macavity that's not the approved method :)
[00:21] <|alisonken1churc> I made a minor change to slackpkg script to use TEMP if it's set rather than trying to create a unique directory in /tmp
[00:22] <macavity> Quiznos: I short circuit anything and everything everytime :P
[00:22] <spook> how do i strip club when my currency's lowest note is $5
[00:22] <Quiznos> ok
[00:22] <Quiznos> spook prepare before entering said club :)
[00:22] <|alisonken1churc> macavity: go back and look at slackpkg around line 35 or so
[00:22] <|alisonken1churc> spook: make sure you have plenty of $5 bills in the pocket
[00:23] <Quiznos> ok; my turn with prob
[00:23] <macavity> |alisonken1churc: ah, right.. that needs patching
[00:24] <|alisonken1churc> I can pastebin my changes for yo uto look at
[00:24] <Quiznos> xorg kinda works; but startx returns `error: no screens' or some such;
[00:24] <Quiznos> my ~.x* scripts arent being used
[00:24] <macavity> |alisonken1churc: just mail them to Pat
[00:24] <Quiznos> i can run xorg manually
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[00:25] <Quiznos> nvidia.so isnt being loaded but x.log says otherwise.
[00:26] <Quiznos> i've been rm'ing cruft from the conf file; most of its content is defaulted by xorg itself
[00:26] <macavity> |alisonken1churc: uhm, make that PiterPunk :-)
[00:26] <macavity> Quiznos: are you on 12.2 or -current?
[00:26] <Quiznos> .2
[00:26] <Quiznos> well .1 transitioning to .2
[00:26] Action: macavity backs off then
[00:26] <spook> slackware 0.2
[00:26] <Quiznos> there was never a 0.2
[00:27] <macavity> there probably was.. it was just not released (nor tagged) :P
[00:27] <Quiznos> i started back in 1995
[00:27] Nick change: |alisonken1churc -> alisonken1church
[00:27] <Quiznos> well, there's no mirror of it
[00:27] <Quiznos> i have em all
[00:27] <Quiznos> wanna trade? :)
[00:28] <alisonken1church> Quiznos: 1995 was 3.5 I believe
[00:28] <Quiznos> maybe
[00:28] <macavity> when did RH 5.1 come out?
[00:28] <Quiznos> but my first contact with linux was in '93
[00:28] <Quiznos> after Pat's
[00:29] <spook> will we ever get to like, slackware 20
[00:30] <macavity> for that to happen people probably need to donate or buy more
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[00:31] <Quiznos> spook sure; on bluray iso :)
[00:31] <Quiznos> lol
[00:32] <Quiznos> 8gig
[00:32] <acidchild> whats the best way of controling a desktop without running a second X?
[00:32] <Quiznos> more with compression
[00:32] <acidchild> can VNC do that? i know it can on windows ;x
[00:32] <Quiznos> acidchild bash
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[00:33] <spook> xvnc,  yes.
[00:33] <acidchild> but it has a "virtual" screen rather than a physical one.
[00:34] <acidchild> quote from the manual :P
[00:34] <Subway> xvnc is alright
[00:34] <spook> acidchild: which way do you want it?
[00:34] <Subway> you can download tightvnc for Linux
[00:34] <Subway> I'm pretty sure.
[00:34] <acidchild> spook: i got a box in the other room connected to the tv
[00:34] <Subway> depends what protocol you like
[00:34] <acidchild> just wana beable to control it remotely
[00:35] Nick change: Subway -> Fatalnix
[00:35] <spook> acidchild: mpc?
[00:35] <acidchild> do i need to put something in the .xinitrc?
[00:35] <acidchild> maybe...
[00:35] <acidchild> mpc?
[00:36] <spook> its a thing that does thing
[00:36] <acidchild> Media Player Classic?
[00:36] <alisonken1church> ok - my mistake. slackpkg uses $TEMP to store packages after downloading. $TMPDIR  is used in the script for a download working directory
[00:36] <spook> mpd sorry
[00:36] <alisonken1church> still, I would appreciate not filling up /tmp since it may get full
[00:36] <acidchild> mpd wont do video?
[00:37] <spook> true.
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[00:44] <spook> breaking up sucks cock.
[00:45] <superGear> This is what it sounds like when spook cries
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[00:51] <macavity> spook: sorry to hear :-/
[00:51] <spook> macavity: meh, it was mutual and had to happen
[00:52] <macavity> that doesnt change the fact that it hurts though
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[00:58] <fire|bird> hey Rat409
[00:58] <spook> macavity: its not so much hurt as a sense of loss
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[01:01] <dive> moning all
[01:01] <fire|bird> morning dive
[01:01] <fire|bird> how's it going?
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[01:01] <fire|bird> hey lf4
[01:01] <dive> yawwn
[01:01] <lf4> hey fire|bird
[01:02] <dive> coffee time i think
[01:02] <raela> guess who hates her computer? raela does! so much! ugh
[01:02] <dive> hi lf4
[01:02] <raela> upgraded to slack-currnt and now x doesn't work
[01:02] <spook> raela: hey, fancy a rebound?
[01:02] <dive> dont hate, e
[01:02] <raela> spook: rebound?
[01:02] <quasar> lol
[01:02] Action: spook sighs
[01:03] <quasar> spook: dive is handing out hugs if you need one
[01:03] <spook> raela: tail /var/log/Xorglogthingy
[01:03] <lf4> hey dive
[01:03] Action: spook punchs dive in the face
[01:03] Action: dive shoots spook in the foot
[01:03] <dive> in fact
[01:03] Action: spook has a prothetic foot and is un-affected
[01:03] Action: dive shoots quasar in the foot
[01:04] <raela> spook: can't find screens now. module for my video card drivers won't load and the installer won't run
[01:04] <raela> maybe if I download a new installer, but I dunno if the website will work in links
[01:04] <quasar> that *wasn't* my foot.. and ouch!
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[01:04] <spook> raela: are you using an xorg.conf ?
[01:04] <lf4> What has been going on in here? :)
[01:04] <raela> spook: yes
[01:05] <Rat409> hey fire|bird was doing conky config,sorry
[01:05] <spook> raela: mv it elsewhere and see if X works
[01:05] <spook> X doesnt need an xorg.conf in -current
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[01:07] <macavity> good night folks
[01:07] <spook> i dont know how to only specify certain things in xorg.conf while leaving the rest of it automatic.
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[01:09] <raelakoira> well, x loads, but then my computer freezes
[01:09] <raelakoira> had to hard reboot
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[01:09] <spook> whats in xorglog
[01:12] <raelakoira> nothing that looks like it's hang-worthy, unless I'm not giving it enough time.. but.. I don't think it should freeze at all
[01:13] <raelakoira> last thing it did was Setting physical size to 367x230
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[01:13] <spook> sounds odd
[01:14] <raelakoira> ughhhh and people told me upgrading to -current should made ati drivers work better, not crash x completely
[01:15] <quasar> which ati card you got? (working fine with or without an xorg.conf here, radeon x800)
[01:15] <Quiznos> 3d television being developed in hollywood
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[01:16] <raelakoira> rs780mc radeon 3100 hd
[01:16] <raelakoira> and yep, the ati site won't work for me in links :/
[01:16] <quasar> wonder if its trying to use the hd driver..
[01:17] <quasar> raelakoira: are you using radeonhd or radeon in your xorg.conf? (radeonhd has had some issues for some people, try it with just radeon if you're using hd)
[01:17] <raelakoira> I can probably upload the xorg log to pastebin
[01:18] <raelakoira> quasar: I moved xorg.conf as suggested and just let it use whatever it defaulted to
[01:19] <raelakoira> er except apparently links won't let me paste to there, so nevermind
[01:20] <dive> pastebinit script
[01:20] <dive> wonder where I got it from...
[01:20] <spook> raelakoira: x in -current is fully automagically detecting things, and with hal's help that includes input devices
[01:20] <spook> i've yet to have any problems with it, so i really dont know how i can help
[01:21] <dive> http://www.stgraber.org/category/pastebinit
[01:21] <fire|bird> Rat409: haha, working on it again? entire redesign or minor modifications?
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[01:22] <rworkman> raelakoira: fresh install of -current or upgrade?
[01:22] <raelakoira> rworkman: upgrade
[01:22] <raelakoira> trying to figure out if I have anywhere I can ftp the log, but apparently I don't
[01:22] <rworkman> slackpkg clean-system
[01:22] <Rat409> fire|bird: personalizing various ones found on web
[01:22] <rworkman> Remove all of the old X package.
[01:22] <rworkman> s
[01:23] <dive> raelakoira, follow that link and you can cat Xorg.log | pastebinit
[01:23] <quasar> 30 pages read, I'm calling it quits for the night on that lol
[01:23] <fire|bird> Rat409: cool. I was looking around at pekwm stuff. I had seen that there's a command for it to automagically make a menu of all what you have installed, yet I tried it and it wasn't there. Do you know about that at all?
[01:25] <Rat409> fire|bird: think i symlnk'd /etc/xdg/menus/pekwm to applications.menu
[01:25] <raelakoira> http://pastebin.com/f2eb2a962
[01:26] <fire|bird> Rat409: ok, cool. thanks.
[01:26] <Rat409> menumaker works,few other  scripts around. 1 sec
[01:27] <raelakoira> would slackpkg clean-system potentially delete programs I use? if I installed them through a package but it wasn't from a release
[01:27] <spook> raelakoira: yes
[01:28] <raelakoira> would it really be that much of a benefit then? can older packages cause problems?
[01:28] <raelakoira> I guess I could just go out and find what I had again
[01:30] <TwinReverb> rworkman, did you see my email?
[01:30] Nick change: raelakoira -> raela
[01:30] <rworkman> raelakoira: you can uncheck the ones you want to keep.
[01:30] <rworkman> TwinReverb: I did.  No time to investigate yet, other than to say that it works fine here.
[01:31] <TwinReverb> thanx
[01:31] <raela> eh, apparently slackpkg clean-system won't work for me since I didn't do slackpkg update
[01:32] <rworkman> So fix that.
[01:32] <raela> yeah, working on it
[01:33] <dive> better do an upgrade-all again then
[01:37] <raela> alright, cleaned and upgraded
[01:39] <raela> should I just try to startx again without a xorg.conf? or actually make one and force a driver?
[01:39] <spook> force the bits that are causing it to lock
[01:39] <raela> I don't want to do anything too time consuming. if I don't get up in the morning, the dogs will pee everywhere :/
[01:39] <raela> I don't know what's making it lock
[01:39] <Rat409> firebborrowed a script from ubuntu,but it works. not all apps but mostfirelooks like i got a script from an ubuntu .deb and edited it  this is orig file http://pastebin.ca/1538573
[01:40] <Rat409> fire|bird: ^^ sorry pooped
[01:40] <dive> one thing I noticed from the log is that it kmentioned couldn't find core keyboard or core pointer
[01:40] <fire|bird> haha
[01:40] <fire|bird> Rat409: thanks
[01:40] <spook> raela: is hal working properly?
[01:40] <dive> lines 92 93
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[01:40] <Rat409> dumb multitasking been a long muggy day i fail :(
[01:40] <raela> hrm, so the issue could've just been not finding kb/mouse, not freezing? ick
[01:40] <spook> dive: it uses hal to detect input devices
[01:41] <raela> spook: I've never used hal. how can I check if it is? all the devs work fine right now
[01:41] <spook> raela: is /etc/rc.d/rc.hald +x ?
[01:41] <raela> is it a problem that I have two keyboards and two mice going?
[01:41] <Rat409> fire|bird: i put it in /etc/xdg/menus
[01:41] <fire|bird> ok
[01:41] <raela> spook: yes
[01:41] <spook> raela: no it shouldnt be a problem
[01:41] <Quiznos> i have two moose going; jst be sure they are reading from different devices
[01:42] <spook> raela: try /etc/rc.d/rc.hald restart
[01:42] <raela> spook: no errors
[01:42] <Quiznos> raela like dev/psaux and dev/input/mice
[01:42] <Quiznos> those are what i use
[01:42] <Rat409> but ymmv,menumaker is usual method,theres also a gnome-menu to pek,might be able to mod it on website community section iirc
[01:43] <raela> Quiznos: I don't know what each uses. always worked in x before and it works in vt fine right now
[01:43] <raela> er,maybe the touchpad isn't working
[01:43] <Quiznos> peek in the conf
[01:43] <spook> raela: maybe try reducing it to one of each temporarily
[01:44] <spook> touchpads should automatically detect.
[01:44] <raela> I think the touchpad was working until I enabled the usb mouse
[01:44] <Quiznos> raela peek in conf file and fix it/
[01:44] <spook> i dont pretend to understand exactly how hal works
[01:44] <Quiznos> no one pretends
[01:44] <raela> Quiznos: which conf file? hal's?
[01:44] <Quiznos> heh
[01:45] <Quiznos> xorg
[01:45] <spook> Quiznos: we're not using an xorg.conf
[01:45] <Quiznos> o
[01:45] <dive> Quiznos, she's in console
[01:45] <Quiznos> k
[01:45] <Quiznos> i'm out.
[01:45] <raela> x doesn't want to play nice right now
[01:45] <raela> later, Quiznos
[01:45] <spook> Quiznos: in -current x can work perfectly without one :)
[01:45] <Quiznos> not leaving
[01:45] <raela> spook: in theory :P
[01:45] <Quiznos> ok spook
[01:46] <dive> I think I'd be inclined to try X without a conf and if it locks up make a conf and force radeon driver
[01:46] <spook> for at least the 5 or so VERY different machines i've put current on
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[01:46] <raela> dive: already tried without the conf and it locked
[01:46] <spook> dive: personally i believe it to be the lack of input
[01:46] <raela> spook: this laptop is nothing but trouble in pretty much every way
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[01:48] <raela> so, radeon driver should work?
[01:49] <spook> shrug
[01:49] <dive> perhaps the reason it locks is because no keyboard input so ctrl-alt-backspace not working and something is stopping desktop loading
[01:49] <Quiznos> this is for hal or x?
[01:49] <Quiznos> or cons?
[01:49] <spook> x
[01:50] <Quiznos> k and no x.conf?
[01:50] <spook> it shouldnt and doesnt need one.
[01:50] <raela> desktop loads. I assumed it froze since I couldn't get mouse/keyboard to respond
[01:50] <Quiznos> review s.log
[01:50] <Quiznos> x.log
[01:50] <spook> however, if hal isnt working properly, x wont have any input devices
[01:50] <Quiznos> x deps on hal?
[01:50] <dive> raela, so no mouse/keyboard input
[01:50] <spook> no, x uses hal for autodetection of the input devices
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[01:50] <Quiznos> k
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[01:51] <Quiznos> so, yes. it does :)
[01:51] <raela> dive: guess so. hard to tell the difference for me, I guess
[01:51] <spook> raela: press the soft power button on the laptop and see what happens
[01:52] <raela> soft power? what, to blank the screen? wasn't aware that wouldn't work when frozen
[01:52] <spook> no, i mean the power button.
[01:52] <spook> press it once, dont hold it down.
[01:52] <raela> nothing. should I load x and try?
[01:53] <spook> if it isnt locked up, acpi should register the event and start shutting it down
[01:53] <spook> hmmm odd
[01:53] <raela> I don't think it's configured for that
[01:53] <raela> I've always had to hold it to get the laptops to turn off
[01:53] <spook> odd
[01:53] <dive> usually configured for init 0 if button module is loaded
[01:54] <spook> it works without configuration on all laptops i've put current on...
[01:54] <spook> raela: what laptop is this?
[01:54] <dive> yeah same here
[01:54] <rworkman> raela: go read CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT, follow the directions for disabling hal input device hotplugging (it involves creating an xorg.conf and then adding three lines to it), and see if it works that way.
[01:55] <rworkman> raela: if it does, then don't blame hal - since it works for everyone else, I'd bet dollars to donuts that your system is screwy, most likely due to an incomplete upgrade or some such, or hal not running.
[01:55] <raela> spook: toshiba satellite m55 or m65
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[01:55] <spook> rworkman: shes not blaming hal, its me that suspects hal may be the problem.
[01:56] <rworkman> I'm not accusing her of blaming it - I'm just trying to get ahead of the curve :)
[01:56] <Quiznos> she blames you
[01:56] <Quiznos> YOU!!!
[01:56] Action: Quiznos hides
[01:56] Nick change: Quiznos -> ElmerJFudd
[01:56] <raela> rworkman: I'm blaming my laptop for being a pain in the ass in every possible way
[01:56] <rworkman> hehe
[01:56] <ElmerJFudd> nah na na na na na na na na
[01:56] Action: ElmerJFudd grabs wall hanging 30-30
[01:57] <ElmerJFudd> [belch] time to hunt wabits
[01:57] <ElmerJFudd> sniff
[01:57] <ElmerJFudd> he's around here somewhere
[01:57] <ElmerJFudd> a ha! found one on freenode
[01:58] <spook> ElmerJFudd: bot bot bot boty bot bot
[01:58] <dive> what drugs are you on ElmerJFudd ?
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[01:59] <ElmerJFudd> lol; he's asleep
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[01:59] <ElmerJFudd> Bugs
[01:59] <ElmerJFudd> hmm, no daffy online
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[02:00] <raela> k, added the hal stuff.. trying x again
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[02:01] <raela> apparently the issue was hal. good call
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[02:02] <spook> whos the best?
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[02:03] <spook> :(
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[02:03] <raela> hey, what's the command to see if I have direct rendering?
[02:03] <dive> glxinfo | gep -i dir
[02:03] <dive> grep*
[02:04] <raela> doesn't show anything. guess that's a no?
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[02:04] <dive> true
[02:04] <raela> I thought somewhere said direct rendering: no
[02:05] <dive> hmm actually I think glxinfo is different in current
[02:05] <dive> I don't think it shows it now
[02:05] <TwinReverb> glxinfo ?
[02:05] <dive> you will have to check xorg log
[02:05] <raela> ...ugh. there a way to check if I have xvideo?
[02:05] <dive> it doesn't on my T21 anyway
[02:05] <TwinReverb> glxinfo | grep REND
[02:06] <raela> oh, I could just test
[02:06] <PurpleSmurf> slurping slackware is a bore and takes time
[02:06] <PurpleSmurf> the files
[02:06] <raela> except mplayer broke
[02:06] <PurpleSmurf> you get to keep the pieces
[02:06] <TwinReverb> GL_RENDERER: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM GEM 20090712 2009Q2 RC3
[02:06] <PurpleSmurf> oh joy
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[02:07] <PurpleSmurf> reRat
[02:07] <PurpleSmurf> raela how did ou break it?
[02:07] <raela> oh hey. I think it works! SOMETHING FULLSCREENED :D
[02:07] <PurpleSmurf> yay
[02:07] <spook> PurpleSmurf: please take your gibberish elsewhere
[02:07] <dive> TwinReverb, oh right. Different.
[02:07] <PurpleSmurf> no gibing here
[02:07] <raela> damn laptop hasn't had direct rendering in the year I've owned it
[02:07] <TwinReverb> raela, what video card?
[02:07] <Rat409> fire|bird: try this unpack and either do a make clean and build or try my binary  http://www.filefactory.com/file/ah28cc0/n/pekwm_menu_tools_tar_bz2
[02:08] <raela> radeon hd 3100
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[02:08] <Rat409> fire|bird: i put it in ~/bin
[02:08] <Rat409> forgot was a 2part workaround apparrently
[02:08] <Rat409> darn dsl lost sync
[02:08] <raela> ...it's so wonderful to have now D: thank you so much, dive, spook, everyone else! I'll work out more stuff tomorrow
[02:09] <spook> raela: more than happy to help
[02:09] <dive> you're welcome
[02:09] <Rat409> fire|bird: the elf binary i put in ~/bin god i'm braindead tonight,today bleh
[02:09] <raela> I better get to sleep now :o dogs probably hate me
[02:09] <raela> night all
[02:09] <dive> nn
[02:09] <PurpleSmurf> gn
[02:09] <Rat409> night
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[02:12] <fire|bird> Rat409: ok, thanks.
[02:12] <Rat409> fire|bird: ha finally found the right area  http://pekwm.org/projects/pekwm/wikis/Companions
[02:12] <PurpleSmurf> the gubmint has rules for all sorts o crap; "plurising SI units" LOL
[02:12] <Rat409> on that page
[02:12] <antiwire> oh man even more null ptr 'sploits are hitting
[02:13] <antiwire> wireless stack based ones now
[02:13] <Rat409> fire|bird: where i grabbed it from.
[02:14] <Rat409> so probly the /etc/xdg/menus/pekwm may not be needed so long ago i can't recall. tbh
[02:14] <TwinReverb> yay the joys of having to symlink which flashplayer you want based on which you are running
[02:19] <TwinReverb> why pidgin hasn't installed a "Buzz" button on yahoo messengers when you can just do "/buzz" makes no sense to me
[02:19] <fire|bird> Rat409: :), ok, thank you
[02:20] <nooper> TwinReverb: typing is hard
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[02:21] <TwinReverb> yeah it must be 8-)
[02:21] <quasar> first thing I do when someone buzzes me on MSN is delete+block :)
[02:22] <PurpleSmurf> whats the pkg name of console msg sending?
[02:22] <antiwire> wall?
[02:22] <dtanner> why even connect to msn?
[02:22] <PurpleSmurf> no for IM
[02:22] <PurpleSmurf> in text mode
[02:22] <andli_> TwinReverb: because everyone doesn't know about all commands available?
[02:22] <andli_> to make it user friendly for new users?
[02:23] <antiwire> finch
[02:23] <antiwire> finch is part of pidgin
[02:23] <PurpleSmurf> chirp?
[02:23] <andli_> centerim?
[02:23] <TwinReverb> andli_, i dunno, i think that one's not specifically published in their manual, but it's part of the protocol.  hold on, let me check
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[02:24] <dtanner> and another vague quetion brought to you by PurpleSmurf. stay tuned for many more fun episodes.
[02:24] <fire|bird> lol
[02:24] <briareus> hi all. how does one enable the fn-F8 crt/lcd option in a linux like slackware? I'm playing an .avi in my slack system that I'd like to push out via s-video. I have cables but no idea how to get signal out.
[02:25] <antiwire> mine just work because my laptop is fantastic and handles those keys in hardware....
[02:25] <briareus> ..helpful
[02:25] <dtanner> i want a fantastic laptop
[02:25] <briareus> anyone else?
[02:25] <Rat409> bios?
[02:25] <dtanner> i would rather have a "spectacular" laptop even
[02:25] <fire|bird> briareus: get a fantastic laptop like antiwire's? :P
[02:26] <briareus> ...
[02:26] <andli_> briareus: what brand of laptop do you got?
[02:26] <briareus> its a dell
[02:26] <Rat409> heck,get antiwire's :)
[02:26] <fire|bird> haha
[02:26] <andli_> briareus: ok, how you tried google it?
[02:26] <fire|bird> antiwire: name your price. :P
[02:26] <Rat409> lol
[02:27] <antiwire> I'll say this; it might as well be a spectacularly fantastic laptop because every single part of it works 100% in Slackware
[02:27] <andli_> antiwire: what brand and model do you use?
[02:27] <antiwire> bluetooth, smartcard, pccard, modem, ethernet, wireless all buttons even the fingerprint reader
[02:28] <antiwire> it's a Dell D620 latitude series. the Dell business line
[02:28] <andli_> antiware: what about hibernate?
[02:28] <antiwire> andli_: suspend or hib
[02:28] <antiwire> i mean *everything*
[02:28] Nick change: PurpleSmurf -> Quiznos
[02:28] <chopp> fingerprint reader ftw
[02:28] <Rat409> nice
[02:28] <briareus> andli_: I find people discussing it but no answers
[02:29] <andli_> briareus: oh, challenging
[02:29] <briareus> andli_: this is the top find but also the closest to where I am
[02:29] <briareus> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/getting-s-video-out-to-work-on-inspiron-1420n-605887/
[02:30] <andli_> maybe there is a general s-video-out on linux you can search for?
[02:30] <briareus> andli_: but I'm using --right-of instead of --below
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[02:33] <antiwire> he was actually banned, finally
[02:33] <chopp> 5 days
[02:33] <fire|bird> antiwire: just for 5 days
[02:34] <antiwire> only took a months of bigotry and inflammatory remarks
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[02:39] <chopp> I'd have to agree with that one
[02:45] <briareus> crap
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[02:49] <antiwire> awesome it's time
[02:49] <PurpleSmurf> hihi from pidgin
[02:49] <antiwire> yeah we know
[02:49] <PurpleSmurf> kool
[02:49] <antiwire> Real name: purple
[02:49] <PurpleSmurf> really?
[02:49] <antiwire> for reelz
[02:49] <PurpleSmurf> okidoke
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[02:50] <PurpleSmurf> x11 is obv kinda workin
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[02:50] <PurpleSmurf> had to start manually
[02:51] <briareus> xrandr --output S-video --right-of LVDS
[02:51] <briareus> I should be good
[02:51] <briareus> WHARGARBBL
[02:51] <PurpleSmurf> mmm the funi Groucho brother hapr-player on _I love Lucy_
[02:51] <antiwire> briareus: that works for you?
[02:51] <PurpleSmurf> he was very good at harping
[02:52] <briareus> antiwire: no, it doesnt
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[02:53] <rohan> how different is the 64-bit port of slack from the 32-bit one? anything i should keep in mind before trying it (when it's released)
[02:53] <quasar> it's pretty much the same
[02:53] <quasar> actually
[02:53] <rohan> oh, i see.
[02:53] <quasar> I haven't noticed a difference at all
[02:53] <TwinReverb> rohan, keep in mind that some applications are not 64bit yet (of note: Skype)
[02:54] <TwinReverb> otherwise it works great and is solid, stable, and fast
[02:54] <rohan> that's ok, i don't use skype anyway.
[02:54] <TwinReverb> then i doubt you'll notice a difference 8-)
[02:54] <TwinReverb> there's open office 64bit now
[02:54] <TwinReverb> i have a package on my website
[02:56] <rohan> http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-ubuntu-amd64 --> there is a skype 64bit package i found.
[02:56] <TwinReverb> hmm wow
[02:56] <quasar> hm.. which do you think would be worse for you: smoking a pipe (no filter but less tobacco because it's not as packed) or cigarettes (more tobacco but also having a filter) ?
[02:56] <rohan> i'd assume if it were available for ubuntu, it would be available for other distros too, right?
[02:56] <antiwire> quasar: both are bad
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[02:56] <quasar> bad != "worse" :p
[02:57] <tank-man> try water pipe
[02:57] <superGear> try weed
[02:57] <TwinReverb> try pipe bomb
[02:57] <TwinReverb> it's quicker
[02:57] <antiwire> it's like asking would I rather get lung cancer from asbestos or coal dust?
[02:57] <antiwire> it's still cancer
[02:57] <Rat409> night guys all be well! l8r
[02:57] <superGear> not everybody gets cancer
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[02:58] <superGear> all in the genes
[02:58] <lucent> do you mean commercial cigarettes?
[02:58] <superGear> no
[02:58] <lucent> like the ones with added formaldehyde and arsenic?
[02:58] <Thom1> hi
[02:58] <superGear> non-profits
[02:58] <antiwire> superGear: it is certainly not solely genes
[02:58] <lucent> cheeky bastard
[02:58] <rohan> TwinReverb: openoffice.org has been available as 64-bit from quite a long time right?
[02:58] <quasar> it could be
[02:58] <antiwire> environmental factors play a role
[02:59] <superGear> could*
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[02:59] <quasar> the question is only reguarding which would be worse of the two, no chemical composition, etc taken into consideration
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[02:59] <superGear> smoke American Spirits
[02:59] <superGear> no added poisons
[02:59] <lucent> sorry for my hasty reaction there fellas, I'm on edge... can't sleep when loud breeder neighbors are breeding and being loud :(
[02:59] <antiwire> not could, do. you inhale plutonium oxide and you will get massive lung fibrosis.
[02:59] <antiwire> it's not maybe
[03:00] <lucent> have some compassion for those around you, I say
[03:00] <superGear> so everyone gets lung cancer who smokes
[03:00] <antiwire> genetics play a role but even for the ones who are not genetically predisposed to cancer, some substances simply cause it no matter what
[03:00] <lucent> don't smoke the cancer sticks that smell like butt hole
[03:00] <superGear> blow smoke in their face
[03:00] <antiwire> superGear: did i say that?
[03:01] <antiwire> superGear: I did say "everyone who smokes gets lung cancer" ?
[03:01] <superGear> i guess
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[03:01] <antiwire> you guess?
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[03:02] <superGear> who cares anyways we are all going to die
[03:02] <antiwire> good side step
[03:02] <antiwire> props on that one
[03:02] <antiwire> you strife like a professional
[03:03] <superGear> just make cigs illegal
[03:03] <superGear> and be done with it
[03:04] <superGear> probably be worse than drugs that are currently illegal
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[03:09] <superGear> nite nite boys and girls and antiwire
[03:09] <antiwire> good night!
[03:10] <antiwire> I do feel special to be named exclusively
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[03:17] <Leenux> Warning: Cannot convert string "Excl" to type Pixmap
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[03:17] <Leenux>  i get this error when run xorgcf
[03:17] <Leenux> i try searching in google, but not get answer
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[03:17] <Leenux> anybody can help me ?
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[03:36] <Quiznos> big band music is really just delicious.
[03:38] <SiegeX> so is your black angus steak sandwich
[03:42] <Quiznos> why is ftp.kernel.org 11 days old without updates?
[03:42] <Quiznos> actualy their pub/ hasnt been touched since february
[03:43] <Quiznos> damn, that's gotta sux mean
[03:44] <Quiznos> who is running kernel.org ftp updated?
[03:44] <Quiznos> i mean where's the mirror?
[03:44] <Quiznos> SiegeX heh
[03:45] <antiwire> you're kidding right? ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/LATEST-IS-2.6.30.5
[03:45] <antiwire> creation times are not the same as last access times
[03:46] <Quiznos> when was the last kernel tarball made?
[03:46] <spook> use git and find out
[03:46] <antiwire> The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is:  2.6.30.5 2009-08-16 21:22 UTC F V VI C Changelog
[03:47] <Quiznos> ok; touch[acm]-times dont travel up the dirtree for some reason.
[03:47] <antiwire> from www.kernel.org
[03:47] <Quiznos> ty
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[03:48] <Quiznos> 30.5 isnt at ftp.kernel
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[03:49] <Quiznos> foud it
[03:49] <Quiznos> i'll mirrir 2.6 when 2.7 begins
[03:50] <antiwire> ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.30.5.tar.bz2
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[03:50] <Quiznos> ty
[03:50] <antiwire> man oh man
[03:50] <Quiznos> any news or speculation about 2.7 lately?
[03:50] <antiwire> lets just wait for 2.6.31
[03:51] <Quiznos> so you dont know? :)
[03:51] <antiwire> there will be quite enough important changes there
[03:51] <antiwire> 2.6.30.x is like the bastard version
[03:52] <antiwire> 2.6.29.6 has been selected for lts by a bunch of distros
[03:52] <Quiznos> lts?
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[03:53] <fire|bird1> Quiznos: long term support
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[03:54] <Quiznos> ty
[03:55] <Quiznos> so meaning the dist mainters are gonna focus their neurons on that version?
[03:55] <Quiznos> as a baseline version?
[03:55] <antiwire> for now yeah
[03:55] <Quiznos> k
[03:55] <antiwire> it's pretty stable
[03:55] <Quiznos> nods
[03:55] <Quiznos> has pat joined that fray?
[03:56] <Quiznos> or his group?
[03:56] <antiwire> well, 2.6.29.6 will be the 13 kernel
[03:56] <Quiznos> k
[03:56] <antiwire> along with some critical vuln patches
[03:56] <Quiznos> yea
[03:56] <Quiznos> i'm on 24.5 atm
[03:56] <antiwire> I'm waiting for .31
[03:56] <antiwire> it will have a lot of things that I really wany
[03:56] <antiwire> want
[03:57] <Quiznos> such as?
[03:57] <antiwire> ath5k ap mode for one
[03:57] <Quiznos> wifi thingy?
[03:57] <antiwire> yeah
[03:57] <Quiznos> whatelse?
[03:57] <antiwire> hopefully fixed ext4
[03:57] <antiwire> lots of changes to the wifi stack too
[03:57] <Quiznos> what's the overhead for e4's meta block usage?
[03:58] <antiwire> no idea
[03:58] <antiwire> but i can't use an fs that has a 120sec commit interval on a laptop with encryption
[03:58] <antiwire> that's suicide
[03:58] <Quiznos> any info writ about mind-reading or eye-watching?
[03:58] <Quiznos> lol
[03:58] <Quiznos> yea
[03:59] <Quiznos> bc that's too fast for lappy?
[03:59] <antiwire> to slow
[03:59] <Quiznos> k
[03:59] <antiwire> ext3 is 5 secs
[03:59] <Quiznos> wow ok
[04:00] <Quiznos> the most interesting dev.ment i've seen/read about is the live kernel patching and subordinate kernel booting and kernel boot replacement
[04:00] <antiwire> those are interesting to me too but I won't use it
[04:00] <Quiznos> why?
[04:00] <antiwire> just doesn't apply to me
[04:00] <Quiznos> k
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[04:05] <agentc0re> antiwire: ping
[04:05] <antiwire> yo
[04:06] <agentc0re> got it working.
[04:06] <antiwire> nice!
[04:06] <agentc0re> no more errors.  lets see if this works.
[04:06] <antiwire> k let me get my headphones
[04:07] <Quiznos> i think i'm gonna watch _revenge of the nerds_ on web
[04:07] <nix_chix0r> beepbeep
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[04:08] <fire|bird1> hey nix_chix0r, how's it going?
[04:08] <nix_chix0r> not bad
[04:08] <Quiznos> LOL, google says ``Revenge of the Nerds'' [posted] 25 years ago.
[04:08] <Quiznos> rofl
[04:09] <Quiznos> i think that's the movie.
[04:09] <agentc0re> ghostbusters 1 is on youtube.. full version, no comercials.
[04:09] <Quiznos> nice
[04:10] <antiwire> incoming voice call
[04:10] <gdog> I saw that too
[04:11] <antiwire> my MIC in the built in mic on my laptop so you can hear my typing hardcoe
[04:11] <v3gard> hi guys! any of you that have any experience with gsm/edge modems and smstools (or gsm-utils)?
[04:11] <fire|bird1> Later guys. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening}. Take care.
[04:11] <spook> v3gard: not with edge, but with 3g.
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[04:12] <v3gard> spook: did you use smstools3?
[04:13] <spook> sadly no
[04:13] <v3gard> okey
[04:14] <gdog> hey does any body know where I can find some doc on setting up vsftp To allow users access to some dir and not root
[04:16] <nix_chix0r> awwww
[04:16] <spook> gdog: /etc/vsftp.conf
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[04:16] <spook> nix_chix0r: hiiii
[04:16] <nix_chix0r> i was gona show him a picture and he left
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[04:17] <gdog> tried that no luck.
[04:17] <spook> gdog: what exactly did you want to do?
[04:17] <nix_chix0r> no one else wants to see an awsome baby pic
[04:18] <spook> nix_chix0r: sure
[04:18] <nix_chix0r> http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/5750/oliversmilingbig.jpg
[04:18] <gdog> put users in a default dir besides home
[04:19] <spook> gdog: man vsftp.conf perhaps
[04:20] <gdog> I'll give it a try
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[04:20] <spook> nix_chix0r: awwwwwwww.  what a little cutie
[04:20] <spook> nice body art btw
[04:20] <nix_chix0r> i look like a lump of potatoes hunched over
[04:20] <nix_chix0r> but that picture of him is so amazing
[04:21] <antiwire> dive you up?
[04:21] <spook> nix_chix0r: you really dont.
[04:21] Nick change: nod_ -> nod
[04:22] <gdog> I tried to chmod=Local_user and got a oops 500 error at service start up
[04:22] <nix_chix0r> thanks spook :)
[04:23] <Leenux> need help to fix my problem please. My application run in X server Slackware.
[04:23] <Leenux> http://pastebin.com/m1b618979
[04:23] <spook> nix_chix0r: and i'm not just saying it either.  if it wasnt for that ring i'd so do you :)
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[04:31] <Camarade_Tux> morning
[04:31] <nix_chix0r> sup Camarade_Tux
[04:33] <Camarade_Tux> how's it going nix_chix0r? :)
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[04:33] <nix_chix0r> hangin out
[04:34] <nix_chix0r> whadup with you Camarade_Tux
[04:36] <Camarade_Tux> not much, have to work for some exams next week =/
[04:37] <nix_chix0r> i'm thinking about college
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[04:41] <Camarade_Tux> you'd take computer science or something like that?
[04:42] <nix_chix0r> para legal probally
[04:42] <SiegeX> what if you only want one?
[04:43] <nix_chix0r> with my job change at work doing medical record review for hearing files, doing law would make sense and i could become a examiner for social security
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[04:49] <Camarade_Tux> hahaha!
[04:49] <Camarade_Tux> "Contrary to published reports, Apple has not rejected the Google Voice application, and continues to study it." ^^
[04:49] <Camarade_Tux> see: http://www.apple.com/hotnews/apple-answers-fcc-questions/
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[05:22] <antiwire> omg endless building
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[05:24] <Camarade_Tux> building what?
[05:24] <Camarade_Tux> and C++?
[05:25] <antiwire> dive: i wonder if we should be trying the --with-system-ffmpeg option for gst-ffmpeg
[05:29] <missyjane> good morning
[05:29] <Camarade_Tux> morning missyjane
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[05:38] <missyjane> hm...
[05:38] <missyjane> trying to figure out how to get kde to use xfwm4 permanently with compiz fusion
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[05:47] <missyjane> hm
[05:47] <missyjane> anyone interested in seeing my desktop? i want to screenshot it
[05:48] <Camarade_Tux> sure :)
[05:48] <Camarade_Tux> import ftw btw :)
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[05:50] <missyjane> hm
[05:50] <spook> where is the list of open files, in /proc?
[05:51] <fredoslack> hi
[05:51] <fredoslack> hi Camarade_Tux  missyjane :)
[05:52] <missyjane> hi fredoslack
[05:52] <mancha> under each pid
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[05:53] <spook> mancha: yeah found it
[05:53] <spook> grah.
[05:56] <Camarade_Tux> yo fredoslack
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[05:56] <fredoslack> hi  :)
[05:57] <fredoslack> mishehu,
[05:57] <fredoslack> missyjane *
[05:57] <fredoslack> are you here ?
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[05:59] <fredoslack> picture of slackboy  >> http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Endormi/0004.gif
[05:59] <fredoslack> loool looool
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[06:01] <missyjane> :) yea hes sleeping
[06:02] <fredoslack> Camarade_Tux, quelle heure est-il chez toi ?
[06:02] <fredoslack> ^^
[06:02] <fredoslack> missyjane, lol
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[06:02] <Camarade_Tux> fredoslack: hmmm, 12H02
[06:03] <nix_chix0r> who iz sleepin
[06:03] <Camarade_Tux> well, it's midday here :)
[06:03] <Camarade_Tux> can we wake him up? :)
[06:03] <sahko> http://www.peteryan.net/2009/06/no-i-did-mean-fk-microsoft/ :)
[06:04] <Camarade_Tux> sahko: hahaha ;p
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[06:10] <missyjane> sahko, are you peter yan?
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[06:16] <sahko> no, not really
[06:17] Action: Camarade_Tux is Mickael Jackson
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[06:20] <missyjane> ok
[06:20] <missyjane> smile
[06:20] <nix_chix0r> weeeeeee
[06:22] <missyjane> http://www.surrealgirl.com/awesome.png :)
[06:23] <fredoslack> Xfce ?
[06:23] <missyjane> no
[06:23] <missyjane> kde
[06:23] <fredoslack> Windows ?
[06:24] <fredoslack> GTK is very well
[06:24] <fredoslack> integred
[06:24] <missyjane> i know :) ty
[06:24] <missyjane> even i admit its hot
[06:24] <fredoslack> missyjane,  comment tu as réussi à intégrer GTK proprement  ?
[06:24] <fredoslack> how ahve-
[06:24] <missyjane> >:( dont you dare speak to me in french you french
[06:25] <fredoslack> have you
[06:25] <fredoslack> Camarade_Tux,  aide moi stp lol
[06:25] <spook> fredoslack: YEAH, you damn FRENCH!
[06:25] <missyjane> and i got lucky really
[06:25] <fredoslack> how did you
[06:25] <fredoslack> intergation of gtk under
[06:25] <fredoslack> KDE
[06:25] <fredoslack> integration *
[06:26] <missyjane> i got lucky >:( i told you
[06:26] <missyjane> plus its not permanent and goes away everytime i reboot my pc
[06:26] <fredoslack> :(
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[06:26] <missyjane> setup compiz-fusion :) thats what i use too
[06:26] <fredoslack> ok
[06:26] <fredoslack> and gtk-qt  ?
[06:26] <fredoslack> qt-gtk *
[06:26] <fredoslack> i know
[06:27] <fredoslack> that there exist a pakage
[06:27] <fredoslack> package sorry
[06:27] <Camarade_Tux> my desktop is better: I don't even have to worry about integration, I have no title bar :D
[06:27] <fredoslack> Camarade_Tux,  ion3 ?  hu²
[06:27] <Camarade_Tux> fredoslack: no, I just disabled them in openbox
[06:27] <fredoslack> ok =)
[06:27] <missyjane> setup compiz fusion and ill tell you the steps i took to get to the look
[06:28] <Camarade_Tux> http://omploader.org/vMjZuNA
[06:28] <fredoslack> missyjane,  just compiz fusion  ?
[06:28] <missyjane> pretty much and slackware 12.1
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[06:29] <missyjane> that looks great Camarade_Tux
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[06:29] <Camarade_Tux> missyjane: you're the first to tell that :P
[06:29] <Camarade_Tux> thanks :P
[06:29] <fredoslack> time of aperitif
[06:30] <antiwire> welcome to 1996
[06:30] <antiwire> lmao
[06:30] <ogridd> /wc
[06:30] <fredoslack> good drunk >> http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Boissons/0005.gif
[06:30] <fredoslack> lool
[06:30] <fredoslack> drink *
[06:30] <antiwire> fredoslack and the amazingly endless emoticons
[06:30] <Camarade_Tux> fredoslack: drink for me too :)
[06:31] <Camarade_Tux> antiwire: ='(
[06:31] <fredoslack> :)
[06:31] <nix_chix0r> bahhh celexa is kickin in and pwning my ass time for bed
[06:31] <fredoslack> loool antiwire
[06:31] <missyjane> Camarade_Tux, is open box included with slack 12.1?
[06:31] <Camarade_Tux> missyjane: nope
[06:31] <Emeau> HuHu Camarade_T*x, nice desktop :))
[06:31] <Camarade_Tux> not in 13 either btw
[06:31] <Camarade_Tux> Emeau: thanks :)
[06:31] <Camarade_Tux> two people liking my desktop! \o/
[06:32] <missyjane> hm how wcome?
[06:32] <Camarade_Tux> dunno
[06:32] <Camarade_Tux> it'd be a good choice: very light, doesn't take much space on the cd, well-behaved, stable
[06:32] <Emeau> a real geek desktop, but a nice and usefull one
[06:32] <Camarade_Tux>  :)
[06:33] <fredoslack> Emeau,  ion 3
[06:33] <missyjane> oh well nobody likes me
[06:33] <Camarade_Tux> I use to have conky in a different shape but it would always be hidden so I set it to use the space left after three terminals have been opened vertically
[06:33] <fredoslack> or Fluxbox
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[06:33] <elderK> Hey guys,
[06:33] <Camarade_Tux> that way I can use *all* my screen space :)
[06:33] <elderK> Does anyone here know how to modify the palette that XTerm uses for it's full 256-color range?
[06:33] <Camarade_Tux> hi elderK
[06:33] <fredoslack> Xfce great too
[06:33] <elderK> say, 16-255?
[06:33] <fredoslack> is great too
[06:33] <elderK> color16-255 in .Xdefaults doesn't seem to change anything.
[06:33] <elderK> :/
[06:33] <elderK> :(
[06:33] <fredoslack> ion
[06:34] <fredoslack> <3 <3
[06:34] <Emeau> missyjane, your wallpaper say all about you :))
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[06:34] <missyjane> hahaha
[06:34] <elderK> what about Ratpoison, DWM or Stump WM? :
[06:34] <missyjane> but I SWEAR mang :(
[06:34] <elderK> :) any ideas on the XTerm/MRxvt 256-colors thing?
[06:34] <elderK> It's neat I have 256 colors to use, but I'd really like it if i could customize which 256 colros I have available :P
[06:35] <Emeau> thanks fred*slack :)
[06:36] <Camarade_Tux> elderK: seems you need a file for the palette
[06:36] <fredoslack> :)
[06:36] <elderK> :) How do you mean, Camarade_Tux? Where can I learn more? :)
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[06:38] <Camarade_Tux> elderK: try http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1349 , that will check your term can display all the colors
[06:39] <elderK> I have that script :)
[06:39] <elderK> I just want to know how to redefine all 256 colors
[06:39] <elderK> I can redefine 0-15
[06:39] <elderK> but not 16-255
[06:39] <Camarade_Tux> http://groups.google.com/group/colorscheme-devel/browse_thread/thread/80c69acd8eca9463 ?
[06:40] <fredoslack> i watch
[06:40] <fredoslack> i look
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[06:40] <fredoslack> i'me looking
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[06:40] <Emeau> Camarade_T*x, learning of ion3 and all his shortcut may be a bit repulsive, any advice ? (not the ion3 website link or easy to find tutorials)
[06:41] <fredoslack> Emeau,  F1 > F12
[06:41] <fredoslack> :}
[06:41] <elderK> Camarade_Tux: Looks like rgb.txt from X11.
[06:41] <fredoslack> or alt
[06:41] <elderK> Just, how do I force hte new one into effect?
[06:41] <Camarade_Tux> Emeau: he, I don't know ion3, I use openbox :)
[06:41] <elderK> Finding doucmentation on this has been raelly quite hard.
[06:41] <fredoslack> all with keyboard
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[06:42] <Emeau> well, i'm a bit confused, i'll make some search before, thanks :)
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[06:43] <missyjane> hm...
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[06:45] Action: missyjane stabs people
[06:45] <missyjane> I DIDNT WIN omfg
[06:45] <elderK> Anyone?
[06:47] Action: spook cant believe he didnt bother using getopt before.
[06:48] <Camarade_Tux>  ^^
[06:49] <Camarade_Tux> spook: the doc is uselessly terrible
[06:49] <Camarade_Tux> it makes getopt look like a nightmare
[06:49] <spook> its really not
[06:49] <elderK> Camarade_Tux: I'm still lost, man?
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[06:55] <elderK> Okay, this is driving m enuts.
[06:55] <elderK> ><
[06:56] Action: missyjane then looks around and throws a sowrd at elderK 
[06:56] Action: elderK swallows the sword, burps.
[06:56] <elderK> Cheers.
[06:57] <Camarade_Tux> elderK: dunno, sorry
[06:57] <Camarade_Tux> missyjane: ok, I'm dead now, bye
[06:57] <missyjane> lol
[06:57] <missyjane> :( Camarade_Tux youre no fun anymore
[06:57] <missyjane> anyone know how to install kde/x11 mouse theme?
[06:59] <elderK> Camarade_Tux: Any idae where I could ask this, for more answers?
[06:59] <Camarade_Tux> try #xterm?
[07:03] <Emeau> Okay, let's try ion3
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[07:05] <missyjane> ok this is frustrating
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[07:06] <missyjane> brb
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[07:18] <Emeau> huhu, funny one =)
[07:18] <Emeau> a bit confused, totally hasardous navigation at this time but i could really like it :)
[07:22] <elderK> :( Man
[07:22] <elderK> No one can help
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[07:40] <missyjane> it works! :D
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[07:47] <Emeau> *oups* wrong key :))
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[07:48] <missyjane> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?action=content&content=83194 you all jealous?
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[07:51] <lf4> missyjane: of bringing windows cursor's to ubuntu? lol
[07:52] <missyjane> hm?
[07:52] <missyjane> no the bottom version is for ubuntu people, the top is for the rest of us
[07:54] <lf4> I see, meh its ok I'll stick with my pointy little arrow. Nice you have it working. :)
[07:54] <missyjane> lol :D its shiny... *Drools*
[07:55] <lf4> Hahaha
[07:55] Action: lf4 starts making everything around missyjane shiny
[07:55] <Camarade_Tux> 79C :)
[07:56] Action: missyjane drools more...
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[08:04] <hba> godd morning :)
[08:04] <hba> s/godd/good/..
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[08:05] <missyjane> good morning hba
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[08:09] <Buggaboo> oh I so have to get a neurosky headset
[08:10] <Buggaboo> or the ocz one.
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[08:17] <spook> Buggaboo: so not worth it
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[08:18] <Buggaboo> spook, why?
[08:18] <Buggaboo> I don't want it for gaming.
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[08:19] <spook> oh then maybe a little more worth it
[08:19] <spook> what would you use it for?
[08:19] <missyjane> spook, i got the perfect desktop setup :D
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[08:19] <spook> missyjane: i dunno... what makes it perfect
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[08:20] <missyjane> the fact that i got my mouse theme to work *everywhere*
[08:20] <missyjane> :D im so so so so happy
[08:20] <missyjane> and my style and theme work perfectly in sync too
[08:20] <spook> oh. what theme is it?
[08:20] <missyjane> i think you would be jealous!
[08:20] <missyjane> wanna see a screenshot? :D
[08:20] <spook> sure.
[08:21] <Buggaboo> some people have too much time on their hands...
[08:21] <Buggaboo> I want some too.
[08:21] <missyjane> i cannot work without sex
[08:22] <missyjane> http://www.surrealgirl.com/awesome1.png
[08:22] <Buggaboo> missyjane, that can be misinterpreted so easily.
[08:23] <Buggaboo> missyjane, which wm are you using?
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[08:23] <Buggaboo> Or did you kill your panels.
[08:23] <Buggaboo> ?
[08:23] <missyjane> Buggaboo, sorry i just re-read what i said
[08:23] <missyjane> i meant my setup
[08:23] <missyjane> and guess :D
[08:24] <spook> xfce
[08:24] <Buggaboo> The pin, lock and ehm stick(?), functions on the left-top side are handy.
[08:24] <Buggaboo> I want those too.
[08:24] <missyjane> heheheheheheheheheh
[08:24] <Buggaboo> I hate going into the dropdown thingy for them.
[08:25] <Buggaboo> I so do not look upgraping to 13.0, everything is just going to break (I'm on slamd64 12.2)
[08:26] <missyjane> hm im on 12.1 so i think im worse off
[08:26] <missyjane> ill wait for 14? maybe 15?
[08:26] <spook> i've slowly been moving my machines to -current
[08:27] <Buggaboo> Actually I want to redo my whole machine and run kvm virtualization on a minimal install, run all the os on top.
[08:27] <Buggaboo> And raidify my drives.
[08:27] <Buggaboo> using linux raid.
[08:27] <spook> Buggaboo: use mdadm's raid10, using far copies
[08:27] <Buggaboo> long story short, I want a new machine
[08:27] <missyjane> spook nope not xfwm :D
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[08:28] <spook> missyjane: blackbox
[08:29] <Buggaboo> spook, I did that at my work. An ubuntu machine, bridging, headless kvm, raid 5, ad hoc nas machine.
[08:29] <Buggaboo> headless kvm virtualization even.
[08:29] <spook> raid 10 with far copies has insanely good preformance.
[08:29] <Buggaboo> tightvnc/remote desktop on the vm guests
[08:29] <missyjane> nope not blackbox muahahah
[08:29] <Camarade_Tux> bah, even with slackware's slackbuild, atk manages to put files into usr/local ><
[08:30] <Buggaboo> Camarade_Tux, I always take a peek at the slackbuild and tweakify if necessary.
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[08:31] <Camarade_Tux> Buggaboo: I'm installing g-libs in a different prefix, i need glib2-2.21.3 for webit
[08:31] <Camarade_Tux> SUCKER !
[08:31] <Camarade_Tux> (talking to atk)
[08:31] <spook> Buggaboo: http://spooksoftware.com/blockspeed/
[08:31] <Buggaboo> webit? wuzdat?
[08:31] <Camarade_Tux> a rendering engine which doesn't suck
[08:31] <spook> missyjane: twm?
[08:31] <missyjane> never heard of twm
[08:32] <spook> kde?
[08:32] <Buggaboo> spook, pwitty graphs, have no idea what they're about though.
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[08:32] <Camarade_Tux> ok, glib version mismatch
[08:32] <spook> Buggaboo: the raw blockspeed of different raid configurations
[08:32] <missyjane> spook kde yes :D
[08:33] <Buggaboo> I saw this recently: http://www.baarf.com/
[08:33] <Buggaboo> I dunno if the arguments still apply on linux raid.
[08:33] <Buggaboo> for raid 3,4,5
[08:33] <Buggaboo> raid 10, is raid 0 and raid 1 methought.
[08:33] <Buggaboo> All it does is cloning?
[08:34] <spook> raid 10 is striped mirrored set
[08:34] <spook> so, you have sets of raid 1 mirrors, that are all raid 0 striped together.
[08:34] <missyjane> do you guys actually have a raid setup?
[08:34] <Buggaboo> @work.
[08:34] <Buggaboo> Looking to do my next system that way though.
[08:34] <Buggaboo> spook, could you translate that last bit please?
[08:35] <spook> however, mdadm (linux raid) has some non-standard variations.  for example, having far copies.  wikipedia explains it better than me
[08:35] <spook> missyjane: i do :)
[08:35] <missyjane> oh
[08:35] <spook> 2tb raid 10, 2 far copies.
[08:36] <spook> 4 x 1tb disks
[08:36] <Buggaboo> I built my systems at home with no forthought for redundancy, security and the lot.
[08:36] <Buggaboo> lotsa single points of failure here.
[08:36] <Buggaboo> no backup regime either...
[08:36] <spook> i built the machine with the raid to store media on, and backup stuff to it automatically.
[08:36] <spook> havent gotten round to the backup part.  had it about 8 months now
[08:36] <Buggaboo> raid != backup
[08:37] <spook> Buggaboo: backup FROM other machines TO the massive array machine
[08:37] <Buggaboo> In my next system I plan to buy a gigabit switch too...
[08:38] <Buggaboo> handy if you want to implement a good backup regime.
[08:38] <spook> get one that supports jumbo frames to minimise overhead :)
[08:38] <Buggaboo> those things don't cost that much anymore.
[08:38] <Buggaboo> jumbo frames?
[08:38] <Buggaboo> oh big frames
[08:38] <Buggaboo> yeah.
[08:38] <Buggaboo> but my ethernet cards need replacing too.
[08:38] <Buggaboo> I hope those things are backward compatible.
[08:39] <spook> for gigabit, you wont get the full speed with normal pci
[08:39] <spook> you need pci-e
[08:39] <Buggaboo> ah.
[08:39] <Buggaboo> what's the throughput for pci-e? nevermind, googable.
[08:40] <spook> even if theres nothing else sharing the pci bus, you cant get more than about 400mb
[08:40] <Buggaboo> mbits/s I assume.
[08:40] <spook> how else do you measure transfer rates?
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[08:41] <Camarade_Tux> beavers per fortnights
[08:41] <spook> foot pounds per libraries of congress
[08:41] <Buggaboo> just checking, there are very confused people in the world who mix-match byte/bits.
[08:42] <Camarade_Tux> b B <- that's just casing
[08:42] <missyjane> i was one of those people
[08:43] <spook> you use bytes for storage, because a byte is a single letter, it has relevance for the amount you can store.   data rates are in bits because its digital, its how fast you can send 1s or 0s
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[08:45] <missyjane> 8 bit makes 1 byte
[08:45] <missyjane> 8 byte makes 1 nibble
[08:45] <missyjane> :) i was taught that
[08:46] <gm152> 4 bits to a nibble.
[08:47] <Camarade_Tux> how many for two titties?
[08:47] <spook> Camarade_Tux: $25 cover charge
[08:47] <Camarade_Tux> hmmmm
[08:47] <Camarade_Tux> spook: for _your_ titties?
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[08:47] <spook> for my ho's?
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[08:49] <missyjane> spook ive seen your hoes
[08:49] <missyjane> but im premium, you need better hoes
[08:49] <diabolix> I'm looking for hosting. I don't care about web hosting, what I'd like is ssh, storage, and maybe some decent cpu. I'm really looking for a remote box to setup SVN and maybe occasionally dev on.
[08:50] <spook> how much storage?
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[08:50] <missyjane> nearlyfreespeech diabolix
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[08:51] <diabolix> 1-2gb I think.
[08:51] <Buggaboo> diabolix, go for a vps.
[08:51] <Buggaboo> diabolix, complete and total freedom.
[08:52] <diabolix> does nearlyfreespeech give you a compiler? I'l like to be able to develope on the remote machine.
[08:53] <diabolix> I'm looking for a place i can leave a screen session on, and not worry about power or internet going down.
[08:53] <missyjane> diabolix, not sure about compiler, but nearlyfreespeech is pay for what you use (so for me a few cents to a few dollars a month)
[08:54] <missyjane> definitely take a look at it :x
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[09:00] <diabolix> doesn't sound like what I'm looking for. It sounds like they give  you a shell just to work on a website. I'm looking for something that might have c, c++, python, and maybe some other stuff that I haven't thought of yet.
[09:00] <missyjane> ah :)
[09:00] <missyjane> sorry then no idea
[09:01] <diabolix> We have an account at the company I work for. They are our backup plan for a slashdotting.
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[09:13] <spook> yay my serial polling program is working
[09:13] <spook> except it uses blocking I/O
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[09:17] <Quiznos> spook what fun did you use that blocks?
[09:17] <spook> reads and writes
[09:17] <Quiznos> read() and write()?
[09:17] <spook> yes.
[09:18] <Quiznos> those are rookie funs :)
[09:18] <Quiznos> hah
[09:18] <spook> the program is 88 lines
[09:18] <Quiznos> ok
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[09:18] <diabolix> blocking is ok. you get around that by using select.
[09:19] <Quiznos> or poll()
[09:19] <Quiznos> opera uses io blocking funs
[09:19] <Quiznos> i hate
[09:19] <Camarade_Tux> (she didn't tell that the movies she is going to see are pron movies)
[09:19] <Quiznos> it
[09:19] <diabolix> its been a while since i've been in this channel, alot of new faces.
[09:19] <diabolix> s/faces/nicks/
[09:20] Action: Quiznos checked his nick at the router
[09:20] <Quiznos> oops, face.
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[09:20] <spook> http://spooksoftware.com/spook/poll.c
[09:21] <Quiznos> spook if you're gonna write DOS you need \r\n
[09:22] <diabolix> ok. so i think i've narrowed down my needs. I want vps hosting. the only problem is that most vps hosts assume you wan't lots of bandwidth, and charge accordingly. I want a bit of bandwidth, some storage, and decent ram/cpu.
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[09:22] <rachael> hrmfs pidgin needs .h files from the seamonkey package
[09:22] <Quiznos> spook error at main(), after sleep(4), `subtraction' char
[09:22] <spook> Quiznos: thats not the problem.
[09:22] <Quiznos> spook replace with =
[09:23] <Quiznos> but they are probs
[09:23] <spook> Quiznos: oh sorry, thats an old copy
[09:23] <Quiznos> ok
[09:23] <Quiznos> spook url/poll.c still has - cahr
[09:24] <Quiznos> ok time to sleep
[09:24] <Quiznos> bbl
[09:24] <heaumer> spook: sizeof char is _always_ one :p
[09:24] <Quiznos> gone
[09:24] <Camarade_Tux> heaumer: should be 1.67 -_-
[09:24] <Emeau> humm, well, an entire new world opening to me :)
[09:25] <spook> Quiznos: refresh :)
[09:25] <spook> heaumer: refresh :)
[09:25] <heaumer> Camarade_Tux: didn't get it :-'
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[09:26] <Camarade_Tux> heaumer: just stupidity on my side :)
[09:26] <heaumer> oh
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[09:27] <heaumer> spook: what the hell this line is doing: fd - open_port();
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[09:27] <spook> thats still an old version.
[09:28] <heaumer> hm, ok :)
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[09:33] <heaumer> spook:                 serial = "/dev/ttyp2";
[09:33] <heaumer> wtf ? :D
[09:33] <heaumer> that's C not some scripting language
[09:33] <spook> huh?
[09:34] <heaumer> hm, it's ttyS0 on your file, but doesn't change
[09:34] <heaumer> use strcpy
[09:34] <spook> why?
[09:34] <heaumer> strcpy (serial, "/dev/ttyp2")
[09:34] <heaumer> and don't forget to malloc before
[09:35] <spook> i define a char pointer called serial.  then i point it at a string.   thats working fine.
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[09:35] <spook> the whole only works with blocking I/O thing is the issue.
[09:36] <diabolix> serial = strdup("/dev/ttyp2);
[09:37] <heaumer> spook: yeah, but it the memory, you can have pretty weird things with this :)
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[09:38] <diabolix> there is nothing wrong with: serial = "/dev/ttyS0";
[09:38] <diabolix> in this context.
[09:39] <diabolix> a pointer to a string literal is always valid, regaurdless of the scope of the string literal itself.
[09:39] <hba> <spam> http://hba.ath.cx:8081/stream.mp3 </spam>
[09:39] <spook> heaumer: i wasnt looking for a lesson in C thanks :)
[09:40] <diabolix> spook, your fine, anyways.
[09:40] <spook> diabolix: it would be awesome to not have to use blocking I/O though :S
[09:40] <Pig_Pen> hba, what is the file size of that stream.mp3 ?
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[09:41] <Reav__> d
[09:41] <hba> Pig_Pen: its a radio shoutcast. :P
[09:42] <Pig_Pen> ah, ok, so if you do a dumpfile on it it will never quit
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[09:44] <hba> Pig_Pen: eip, if you keep dumping it, since its a stream the server sends you chucks of data to your media player :)
[09:44] <hba> Pig_Pen: theres a program to rip streams fomr radio stations, but cant remember its name.
[09:45] <Pig_Pen> streamripper
[09:46] <Pig_Pen> mplayer can rip streams too
[09:48] <hba> Pig_Pen: eip, and if you are gonna use it i recommend you to be ready with 12Gb of disk free space ;)
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[09:48] <Pig_Pen> no, i dont want it, i was just curious, i sampled a couple of megabytes just to see what it was
[09:49] <Pig_Pen> there is a local jazz station on FM radio i listen to that i like
[09:49] <panzer> Pig_Pen: then you are lucky.  the local stations here suck
[09:50] <Pig_Pen> most suck here too, lots of hillbilly redneck C&W stations
[09:50] <panzer> rap stations here
[09:51] <hba> Pig_Pen: ah cool. I have liquid funk, a subgenere of drum and bass but theres also intelligent dnb, darkstep and jungle :)
[09:52] <panzer> hba: from where?
[09:54] <hba> panzer: from where what? o_O?
[09:55] <panzer>  ah cool.  I have liquid funk.  Where did you get or stream the liquid funk from?
[09:55] <hba> panzer: http://hba.ath.cx:8081/stream.mp3
[09:55] <panzer> ok
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[09:56] <sahko> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=3653460#post3653460
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[10:13] <NyteOwl> g'day
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[10:16] <spook> g'day mate
[10:16] Action: spook hands NyteOwl a beer
[10:17] <panzer> what no pretzels to go with the beer?
[10:18] Action: spook hands NyteOwl a kangaroo steak
[10:18] <panzer> there you go
[10:19] Action: spook takes a frozen eel out of the esky and stabs panzer with it
[10:20] Action: panzer spends 20 mins fake dying
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[10:20] <spook> fake dying with a thawing eel in your chest
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[10:24] <missyjane> whoever made this movie district 9 has to die
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[10:25] <spook> why?
[10:25] <spook> its michael bay
[10:25] <missyjane> and depressing
[10:26] <missyjane> its not happy ending
[10:26] <Camarade_Tux> what's creating the .la files already?
[10:26] <spook> its not meant to be
[10:26] <missyjane> now the wife is going to find a new man
[10:26] <gnubien> missyjane: peter jackson was the director iirc, he directed the LOTR movies too
[10:27] <spook> missyjane: again, not that sort of movie
[10:27] <panzer> spook: after 20 mins of fake dying with a eel on my chest you might have a point
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[10:27] <spook> thawing eel.
[10:27] <missyjane> its so sad
[10:28] <missyjane> its parallel to reality and the man who got infected is a good man
[10:28] <spook> so when the police find your body its a humourous occasion
[10:28] <spook> missyjane: welcome to life :)
[10:28] <missyjane> but this is harsh
[10:29] <panzer> life is harsh
[10:29] <spook> missyjane: the fact that you feel this way means the movie's message got through
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[10:29] <missyjane> human needs to DIE
[10:30] <panzer> hmm
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[10:30] <spook> missyjane: do you know much about south african history?
[10:31] <missyjane> yeah mother was there for peace corp
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[10:31] <missyjane> its harsh
[10:33] <NyteOwl> spook, thanks - a beer would be nice. it's not even noon yet and it's 310C
[10:33] <NyteOwl> er 30C
[10:33] <spook> NyteOwl: wait, you're not australian?
[10:33] <NyteOwl> spook, Candaian
[10:33] <NyteOwl> er Canadian
[10:34] <NyteOwl> steak sounds ok - almost lunch
[10:34] <spook> but but, you cant say g'day if you'
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[10:34] <spook> re not australian
[10:34] <panzer> big oops there
[10:34] <Pig_Pen> australia will sue for infringement
[10:34] <NyteOwl> sure I can it's seasy see? g'day g'day g'day :p
[10:36] <Camarade_Tux> fuck
[10:36] <spook> NyteOwl: whats up aye?
[10:36] <panzer> laugh
[10:37] <NyteOwl> nothing much nay!
[10:37] <NyteOwl> anticipating hurricane arrival tomorrow
[10:37] <spook> that sounds like it could be trouble aye
[10:38] <gnubien> NyteOwl: you live on east coast of canada?
[10:38] <Camarade_Tux> je peux le tuer ?
[10:38] <Camarade_Tux> bah
[10:39] <spook> fuck off french [canadians]
[10:39] <NyteOwl> gnubien: yup, eastern NS
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[10:40] <gnubien> NyteOwl: http://www.srh.noaa.gov/tropical/tropical.php
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[10:42] <missyjane> can we prevent what happens in the movie?
[10:42] <spook> missyjane: if the ship doesn't land above johannasburg yes
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[10:43] <Camarade_Tux> http://media01.cgchannel.com/images/gallery/6068/3/fullimg.jpg <- computer-generated :D
[10:43] <missyjane> no no
[10:43] <missyjane> im talking about how we treat people
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[10:43] <missyjane> google unit 731
[10:43] <missyjane> can we prevent that ?
[10:44] <spook> probally not directly
[10:44] <missyjane> goddamnit
[10:44] <NyteOwl> what movie? prevent what?
[10:44] <spook> missyjane: every little bit helps though
[10:44] <missyjane> NyteOwl, google or wiki unit 731
[10:44] <NyteOwl> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/19/att_dumps_kevin_mitnick/
[10:46] <panzer> missyjane: germans did the same
[10:46] <gnubien> NyteOwl: att is 'ma bell' and has a log history of major fubars
[10:46] <gnubien> long
[10:46] <missyjane> panzer, the germans and japanese responsible deserve the same treatment they gave to others
[10:46] <NyteOwl> oh, yes I've read about the Japanese biwarefare stuff
[10:47] <NyteOwl> missyjane: you naive enough to think simialr things didn't happen elsewhere in teh world?
[10:47] <missyjane> NyteOwl, what makes you say that?
[10:48] <NyteOwl> never hear of CIA drug exerimentation, army test of agents orange and purple without disclosing it to the subjects and probably many more that were never made public?
[10:48] <BP{k}> NyteOwl: I guess so.
[10:48] <NyteOwl> and who knows what went on behind the Iron curtain for 60 years
[10:48] <missyjane> NyteOwl, oh i know that
[10:48] <missyjane> russia, usa
[10:48] <missyjane> we blame the humans for this
[10:49] <NyteOwl> seems reasonable
[10:49] <panzer> missyjane: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Trials
[10:50] <missyjane> trust me panzer i know
[10:50] <missyjane> humans deserve nothing mroe than a quick death
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[10:50] <NyteOwl> and we use the dervatives f such programs every day
[10:50] <panzer> and yet you are human
[10:50] <gnubien> missyjane: you cant change the world but you can change yourself --jiddu krishnamurti; www.kinfonet.org
[10:51] <missyjane> whats that site for?
[10:51] <missyjane> panzer, kill me then
[10:51] <panzer> you have other uses
[10:51] <missyjane> i dont want to live in a horror filled world where people experiment, torture for fun, etc just so we can create better weapons
[10:51] <missyjane> like?
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[10:51] <spook> i can think of a few :)
[10:51] <NyteOwl> to quote arnie in the running man ..."I don't do requests"
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[10:52] <dtanner> you can change who you associate yourself with though -> "Go away and stay away". as far as stopping torture for fun and creating new weapons. forget it. like it or not that is how we are able to live in a free country. By domination.
[10:53] <panzer> watching Mike Rowe run with the pigs
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[10:54] <gnubien> missyjane: life is suffering --buddha
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[10:55] <missyjane> i hate how all we do is worry about better weapons
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[10:55] <missyjane> dtanner, that doesnt make any sense to me
[10:55] <panzer> yet normal weapons still kill just fine
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[10:56] <dtanner> missyjane: it should. You want China to rule our country?
[10:56] <dtanner> that should clear it up for you.
[10:56] <BP{k}> dtanner: hmm the food might be better? ;)
[10:56] <gnubien> missyjane: as long a we believe in absurdities we will continue to commit atrocitys --jiddu krishnamurti
[10:56] <missyjane> dtanner, what made you bring up china?
[10:57] <missyjane> gnubien, i understand, what do we do now?
[10:57] <dtanner> it could be any other country. china just popped out.
[10:57] <NyteOwl> I don't worry about better weapons. A colt 1911 wors just fine :p
[10:57] <NyteOwl> s/wors/works/
[10:58] <panzer> NyteOwl: yea or a M2HD
[10:58] <gnubien> missyjane: if you change yourself you change the world; try the 8 fold path buddhism advocates
[10:58] <missyjane> gnubien, but i dont believe in god
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[10:59] <gnubien> missyjane: krishnamurti nor buddhism speak of a god
[10:59] <spook> neither to buddhists
[10:59] <panzer> yea that is what I was think
[10:59] Action: BP{k} pushes gnubien of the eight fold path.:P
[11:00] <gnubien> BP{k}: hehe, i do that alot with no help :)
[11:00] <BP{k}> :)
[11:01] <NyteOwl> I prefer flat paths. I trip over the edges if there are folds
[11:01] <pupit> "missyjane: gnubien, but i dont believe in god" http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2677
[11:02] <missyjane> pupit, bad because thats a strawman
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[11:02] <missyjane> atheists never said that things just popped out of nowhere
[11:02] <missyjane> look into string theory and quantum physics, thats most likely what happened, nothing about "nothing then poof"
[11:02] <pupit> do u believe in atheism?
[11:02] <missyjane> atheist isnt a belief, its just simply lack of belief in god
[11:02] <gnubien> good for you
[11:02] <pupit> its a shame
[11:03] <Pig_Pen> to be an athiest is like comparing bald to hair styles
[11:03] <missyjane> its not a switch, i cant just go "poof i believe in it", i need evidence or proof, for all the harshness of reality
[11:03] <missyjane> Pig_Pen, exactly
[11:03] <pupit> and u dont see evidence?
[11:03] <missyjane> its "lack of hair" so to speak
[11:03] <pupit> u must be blind
[11:03] <missyjane> pupit, for someone who is religious you sure are humble
[11:03] <spook> buddhism is essentially, existence is suffering
[11:03] <NyteOwl> I've always tended to be a bit of an agnostic. I beleive there is a good possibility God exists but it's a "don't call us we'll call you" proposition :)
[11:04] <gnubien> NyteOwl: well said
[11:04] <missyjane> agnosticism means "unable to determine if or if there is not a god' basically you cannot know
[11:04] <missyjane> im going by wiki definition here
[11:04] <NyteOwl> missyjane: that's the problem - religion is about faith and believe. not proof
[11:04] <NyteOwl> so is science to a great extent
[11:04] <missyjane> NyteOwl, exactly, there is no proof, so believing without proof is precisely what faith means
[11:04] <missyjane> NyteOwl, not true as science has given us all this
[11:04] <spook> pupit: keep your fanatism to yourself please
[11:04] <missyjane> there is a certainty if you study statistics and math
[11:05] <pupit> spook: u are scared?
[11:05] <NyteOwl> missyjane : how do you proove somethign scientifically? you have to start with a belief, unfounded and faith that you are right and go from there :p
[11:05] <Pig_Pen> pupit: no primordial soup for you!
[11:05] <NthDegree> NyteOwl, then why are there creationists who are out to prove that there is a God, using what we don't yet know within science as if it is "proof"?
[11:05] <pupit> spook, God is like a father. he will always love u. :)
[11:05] <NyteOwl> NthDegree: , no idea - their problem :)
[11:06] <missyjane> NyteOwl, have you ever done any kind of science?
[11:06] <gnubien> missyjane: if you intend to understand you probably will said jiddu krishnamurti; the quest is yours to begin
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[11:06] <NyteOwl> ROFL
[11:06] <NyteOwl> yes indeed
[11:06] <missyjane> gnubien, thats vague, where do i begin?
[11:06] <NthDegree> and btw science never starts with belief, it starts with potential options
[11:06] <Pupuser402-1> he boys
[11:06] <missyjane> NyteOwl, you dont make some random totally wild guess, it becomes with observing
[11:06] <NyteOwl> ROFL
[11:06] <Pupuser402-1> hi girls
[11:06] <missyjane> dont ROFL me it doesnt help your argument
[11:06] <Pig_Pen> what brand name is on your god pupit>? christian? muslim? jew? hindu?
[11:07] <NyteOwl> anyway this is getting way OT as usually happens on this subject in here
[11:07] <gnubien> missyjane: socrates advocated: know thy self
[11:07] <pupit> here is some nice poem for believers: http://www.footprints-inthe-sand.com/index.php?page=Poem/Poem.php
[11:07] <NthDegree> Scientists take a set of potential options then eliminate the ones which no longer fit after experimentation
[11:07] <missyjane> NyteOwl, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science#Scientific_method
[11:07] <missyjane> NthDegree, thats why we perform experiments to confirm
[11:07] <NyteOwl> missyjane: I'm not arguing with you. not becasue I can't but I choose not to
[11:07] <pupit> Pig_Pen: i'm christian
[11:07] <missyjane> all it take is 1 result that is different than the rest to mess up the theory
[11:07] <missyjane> NyteOwl, are you religious?
[11:07] <pupit> adventist.
[11:08] <NyteOwl> missyjane: not fanatically so, no
[11:08] <missyjane> i didnt ask if you were a fanatic
[11:08] <missyjane> i asked if you were religious
[11:08] <pupit> he said he is not :)
[11:08] <pupit> hahahhaa
[11:08] <Pupuser402-1> hi some people please talk me
[11:08] <pupit> jesus!
[11:08] <NyteOwl> I suppose. I had been proposed as a Deacon once :)
[11:08] <missyjane> pupit, for a christian you are so unlike jesus christ himself
[11:08] <Pig_Pen> so the dna evidence of humans being close relatives to great apes such as chimpanzees does not mean anything?
[11:08] Action: NthDegree is religious - you're a sinner if you don't use Slackware! :P
[11:08] <NyteOwl> more spiritual than religious I suppose
[11:08] <BP{k}> Pupuser402-1: usually helps if you actually have a question.
[11:09] <missyjane> Pig_Pen, not to me, but to scientists, we are still finding links, digging up the ground, etc
[11:09] <Emeau> In Slackware we trust.
[11:09] <NyteOwl> Emeau: amen brother
[11:09] <pupit> missyjane: noone is like jesus christ! missyjane im a siner? and u? sinless maybe?
[11:09] <Pupuser402-1> ok
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[11:09] <missyjane> i have tons of science links, all pointing that evolution is true, even the pope himself believes in evolution and microevolution has been observed to be true and macro is simply micro enlarged
[11:09] <BP{k}> in "Bob" we trust, the rest is monitored and logged.
[11:09] <NyteOwl> or sister as the case may be
[11:09] <NthDegree> BP{k}++
[11:09] <Pupuser402-1> please how compile wine.sfs to puppy linux
[11:10] <missyjane> but to say evolution is not true, that there are evidence for god, then calling me blind, etc, dont even bother talking to me
[11:10] <Emeau> Doesn't matter at all ;)
[11:10] <NthDegree> Pupuser402-1, this is ##slackware not ##puppy
[11:10] <NthDegree> lol
[11:10] <NyteOwl> *sigh* evolution adn creationism are NOT mutually exclusive. that's my last comment on this debate that no one will ever win
[11:10] <spook> Pupuser402-1: wrong channel
[11:10] <BP{k}> Pupuser402-1: ask in the puppy linux irc channel. This is the wrong place
[11:10] <Pig_Pen> http://pastebin.com/m27d828be  here is some of the latest evidence that we humans are just another member of the hominid family (great apes)
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[11:10] <missyjane> NyteOwl, actually it is mutually exclusive because creatinists say god created each individual creatures
[11:10] <panzer> NthDegree: you sure?  it seems to have turned into ##religion
[11:11] <BP{k}> Pupuser402-1: #puppylinux is the place to ask.
[11:11] <pupit> missyjane: for some people, we must agree that they become from apes.. the rest of us are believers. is that ok?
[11:11] <NyteOwl> missyjanbe I think you need to go study whichever religion you want to refute. And if Christianinty then more than one sect/denomiantion etc
[11:11] <NyteOwl> anyway, we now return you to your regualr scheduled channel
[11:11] <pupit> lol NyteOwl
[11:12] <missyjane> pupit, you are the one that attacked me, do you want me to copy and paste what was said? NyteOwl i have read the entire christian bible, im speaking from christianitys perspective because 1/3 of world is christian
[11:12] <gnubien> missyjane: read: Freedom From The Known by jiddu krishnamurti, its available at bookstores and online
[11:12] <missyjane> NyteOwl, and most of the abrahamic religion (islam and judaism) operate under very similar creed, belief, etc, so if i refute christianity, it applies to other two major religions too
[11:12] <missyjane> gnubien, you can pm me the links
[11:12] <NyteOwl> ok damnit, one more ... WHICH Bible? and even if you read all teh variosu versions, the Bible is not the sum of Christian teachings.
[11:12] <NthDegree> missyjane, i'll stick to "Bob" :P
[11:12] <pupit> no one is attacking u
[11:12] <NyteOwl> sheesh
[11:12] Action: BP{k} just looked at the puppylinux page and got scared :|
[11:12] <NyteOwl> anyway back to ##Slackware
[11:13] <NyteOwl> BP{k}: LOL
[11:13] <missyjane> NyteOwl, actually the niv, but none of the modern bible are "real" ,if you want to know real, go learn hebrew which im guessing you dont know
[11:13] <pupit> missyjane: cut the crap.
[11:13] Action: BP{k} suggests that any reglious debate either goes to ##slackofftopic or ##religion
[11:13] <Pig_Pen> religion is just a step in front of superstition like reading the entrails of a chicken, except religion replaced the chicken guts with a book full of vague prophecies
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[11:13] <NthDegree> BP{k}, this is fun ^_^
[11:14] <missyjane> pupit, go fuck yourself noob pupit> spook: u are scared? <pupit> u must be blind
[11:14] <gnubien> missyjane: barnes and noble bookstores have it usually and at http://www.pathless.com/generalsearch_result.asp?manufacturer=UB&category=english
[11:14] <pupit> hashahhaha
[11:14] <NyteOwl> missyjane: Only the OT was written in Hebrew , Most of the NT was written in Koine Grteek
[11:14] <NyteOwl> er Greek
[11:14] <pupit> NyteOwl: correct.
[11:14] <BP{k}> in geek? ;)
[11:14] <ananke>  nothing like proving ones point with some sprinkling of the f word
[11:14] <missyjane> in other words the nt was made up to cope with the fact that ot was harsh and did not fit the changing times
[11:14] <NthDegree> Oh lord...
[11:15] <pupit> missyjane: how do u live with yourself?
[11:15] <NyteOwl> no, the NT was written in Greek becasue it was the "international" langauge of the day
[11:15] <missyjane> ananke, if you just entered, i suggest you scroll up or ask someone to c/p the whole thing to you
[11:15] <NthDegree> The Bible is legacy cruft... even Ubuntu Christian Edition proves this :P
[11:15] <NyteOwl> anyway
[11:15] <ananke> missyjane : no need. i love those bits and pieces.
[11:15] <NyteOwl> afaik people can bleieve or not believe what they want so long as they leave others alone in their belief or disbelief
[11:15] <missyjane> NyteOwl, right, thats why christians want to cut funding from scientists right?
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[11:16] <NyteOwl> s/afaik/afaic/
[11:16] <missyjane> thats why christians want evolution not be taught anymore right? thats why the pope was criticized day and night when they no longer abided by the bible
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[11:17] <pupit> missyjane: u have a relay big mouth..
[11:17] <pupit> s/relay/really
[11:17] <BP{k}> s/u/you/
[11:17] <pupit> BP{k}: ;)
[11:17] <panzer> what happened to ##slackware ?  I seemed to have joined the religious chan.  I guess I need to go back to the bdsm chan
[11:17] <missyjane> pupit, NyteOwl http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article574768.ece enjoy
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[11:17] <NyteOwl> missyjane: I have news for you - one of the best  Canadian universities with a great science faculty, including research is Catholic run mostly. having been founded by the Jesuits. As for others I have no diea what they do
[11:17] <ananke> panzer : you must be referring to ##slackware from years ago.
[11:17] <pupit> idea :)
[11:17] <NthDegree> panzer, #free-as-in-node for all your needs ;-p
[11:17] <NyteOwl> nor frankly do I care
[11:18] <missyjane> NyteOwl,  you care enough to continue this even though i suggested you all can pm me this
[11:18] <panzer> ananke: yea I guess I am.  My uptime is in years and my idle time is not long after that
[11:18] <missyjane> even gnubien didnt pm me, instead preferred to go on here
[11:18] <pupit> post mortem
[11:18] <NyteOwl> Yes I continue even after I said enough. so I hereby discontinue as previosuly stated :)
[11:18] <spook> guys the new slackware channel is ##religion
[11:18] <pupit> hahahhaha
[11:18] <NyteOwl> hey spook, you a ghost? or a CIA op? :p
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[11:19] <missyjane> spook, i didnt know thats a real channel
[11:19] <spook> me neither
[11:19] <panzer> it can be.  All you have to do is go to it
[11:19] <ananke> panzer : slackware related content has slowly dwindled down to probably less than 10% of the total traffic
[11:19] <gnubien> missyjane: the only way to deal effectively with your angst is to learn about yourself
[11:19] <spook> ##religion has two bots, one called |-, another called |--  specifically for posting quotes when you join the channel
[11:20] <panzer> ananke: and that sucks.
[11:20] <missyjane> gnubien, and?
[11:20] <ananke> panzer : indeed, it's a shame
[11:20] <missyjane> ananke, thats cause op or #freenode people do nothing about it
[11:20] <missyjane> everytime peopel get into an argument people always throw mud and refuse to stop and the op doesnt want to do anything about it
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[11:20] <missyjane> i say we bring in militant op, that way the first person to go offtopic gets kicked, id be safe, cause i never start it
[11:21] <Pig_Pen> i bet all the atheists hang out in religion and post rants, and all the christians hang out in atheism and post prosilitizing comments
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[11:21] <rworkman> It's because the ops don't want to be all nazi about it, and many channel participants don't have the sense to ignore trollish comments.
[11:21] <gnubien> missyjane: no one can tell you the answer, you have to discover the answer for yourself thru self observation
[11:21] <spook> i'll volunteer to be said militant op
[11:21] <rworkman> No chan op can ever make you be responsible.
[11:21] <panzer> hey rworkman
[11:21] <missyjane> gnubien, i already told you to pm me and this is why im against religion
[11:21] <missyjane> rworkman, wait until someone says something you find very sensitive
[11:21] <panzer> Pig_Pen: pretty much
[11:21] <pupit> rworkman: i hear you :)
[11:22] <rworkman> It wasn't too long ago when there was a militant op.
[11:22] <missyjane> who was that and what happened?
[11:22] <NyteOwl> rworkman: wassup?
[11:22] <rworkman> missyjane: it's happened quite a few times.  Waaah.
[11:22] <NthDegree> rworkman, wait till someone tried to ram down your throat that masturbation is a sin :P
[11:22] <NthDegree> s/tried/tries
[11:22] <spook> rworkman: all 32 year olds shouldn't be school teachers or use slackware
[11:22] <NyteOwl> NthDegree: not a sin, just lonely :p
[11:23] <rworkman> Who cares what someone else thinks of your personal life?  Screw them and ignore them.
[11:23] <missyjane> rworkman, not when they start insulting you "oh you must be blind" "oh you are stupid for not believing in MY god" etc
[11:23] <rworkman> missyjane: btdt
[11:23] <ananke> missyjane : half of what you contribute in this channel is not slackware related. at that point i don't blame ops, i blame people like you
[11:23] <missyjane> "HAHAHAH i feel sorry for you that you believe in evolution"
[11:23] <missyjane> btdt?
[11:23] <BP{k}> *especially* then.
[11:23] <rworkman> been there done that
[11:23] <spook> missyjane: ignore them
[11:24] <missyjane> ananke, you already attacked me the MOMENT i joined this channel (under a different nick) because you said i was an attention whore for having a female nick, you started with that bias thatas why i never bothered listening to you
[11:24] <pupit> lol
[11:24] <rworkman> Anyway, I'm at Panama City Beach, so I (obviously) have better things to do.  Have fun, children, and for you adults here, try to tolerate it :)
[11:24] <ananke> missyjane : i guess i was right
[11:24] <BP{k}> rworkman: not a bad place to be :)
[11:24] <spook> rworkman: being drunk helps
[11:24] <panzer> rworkman: you tease.  I guess I should not invite you down to DI.
[11:24] <NyteOwl> rworkman: you're a cruel man you know that? :) have a Marguarita for me
[11:24] <missyjane> ananke, no you were wrong, considering i never did anything close to attention baiting
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[11:25] <missyjane> ananke, you are like zhivago in #c or the others, believing that you are intellectually superior over the goddamn internet
[11:25] <missyjane> and you are quite frankly a sexist, judging someone based on their nickname
[11:25] <spook> i found the bizarro version of myself in ##c
[11:25] <NthDegree> If that is true, it's pretty damn low.....
[11:25] <gnubien> missyjane: wow, that district 9 movie really put a bee in your bonnet ;)
[11:26] <ananke> missyjane : i honestly do believe you keep substituting this channel for some part of your personal life. get on the subject, and realize that ##slackware is not ##socialize
[11:26] <Pig_Pen> http://imagebin.org/60613  lol!
[11:26] Action: pupit just popped in my head the scene form family guy when they throw up..
[11:26] <NyteOwl> lol
[11:26] <missyjane> gnubien, yep, ananke you believe a part of my life is ##slackware? do you know how ridiculous you sound? NthDegree its true, he even admitted it
[11:27] <NthDegree> ananke, why can't it be?  If community support channels can't involve socialising we might as well be a friggin' support company!
[11:27] <missyjane> NthDegree, its a technical channel, which i support, i dont mind the occasional comments truth be told
[11:27] <quasar> NthDegree: does that mean we're gonna get paid?
[11:27] <missyjane> but do you remember yesterday night? someone going "all women are turds", or the last week? i can keep going
[11:27] <pupit> truth...
[11:28] <missyjane> the op does nothing about those kind of people
[11:28] <pupit> yes he does!
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[11:28] <pupit> he keeps smilling..
[11:28] <ananke> NthDegree : substituting ##slackware for your social life is quite sad, especially since there isn't much actual 'slackware' left in this community
[11:28] <missyjane> funny ananke, how i never bother people in ##linux about offtopic, but you think i do about ##slackware
[11:29] <ananke> ##linux is not off-topic nearly as much as ##slackware is
[11:29] <Camarade_Tux> FUCK FUCK FUCK
[11:29] <werti_russian> lol
[11:29] <panzer> #defocus is a good socialize cahn
[11:29] <pupit> :)
[11:29] <panzer> chan
[11:29] <werti_russian> )
[11:29] <panzer> and it is modded
[11:29] <NyteOwl> ananke: try #linux on Dalnet. unless it's changed it was usually #everythingexceptlinux
[11:29] <NthDegree> ananke, ##slackware has an advantage over socialising.. it's slightly less synonymous with 'waste of time'
[11:29] <missyjane> there are more people in that channel, by far, i could just go there instead but i dont, because that channel does nothing for me in terms of topics, where as here, but its more moderated, where as here nobody moderates it so people say sensitive things
[11:29] <ananke> NyteOwl : yeah, i used to visit it often, years ago
[11:30] <spook> i propose we move stuff to ##slackofftopic   if you dont want to participate in an argument, dont join that channel. :)
[11:30] <Pig_Pen> people people people, lets let the rants & noise die down, if some noob that needs help with slackware comes in here they will think were all crazy!
[11:30] <missyjane> im sensitive, true, ill admit that much
[11:30] <ananke> NthDegree : indeed, slightly is the key word there
[11:30] <Pupuser402-1> puppy linux is best
[11:30] <Pupuser402-1> hi barry kauler
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[11:31] <NthDegree> I propose that mailing lists should be used for serious support and that IRC can be the free-for-all that it always has been
[11:31] <pupit> sensitive, god, truth, slackware, linux, missyjane, jesus, hurt, atheism, chimpanzee.
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[11:31] <panzer> missyjane: yea you can be a bit to sensitive.  But hey eeryone is different.  Just learn that everything is not directed at you.
[11:31] <missyjane> panzer, see that?
[11:31] <missyjane> you sure its not directed at me?
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[11:31] <panzer> missyjane: pm?
[11:31] <missyjane> directly saying things like "all women are turds" or "you are blind for not seeing god" is not at me? really?
[11:31] <Camarade_Tux> #cimpanzee? hmmmm
[11:32] <ananke> NthDegree : unfortunately, there isn't an official slackware mailing list
[11:32] <missyjane> sure go ahead / you all need to stop attacking me and attack the person who started it
[11:32] <NthDegree> ananke, oh? O_O
[11:32] <panzer> ananke: there is not an official slackware chan either
[11:32] <missyjane> really, i wont say anything if people came in my defense (and watch what happens, then people will go "oh white knights") so it really never ends
[11:32] <Pig_Pen> i bet there are already some channels in here where the real developers go to talk shop that the usual RifRaf do not access
[11:32] <ananke> panzer : indeed.
[11:32] <spook> panzer: this is the most official unofficial channel
[11:33] <sahko> theres aols..
[11:33] <ananke> sahko : ohh no, i was hoping nobody would mention aols :)
[11:33] <gm152> Does RM still post there?
[11:33] <ananke> the amount of drama on aols rivals ##slackware's
[11:33] <spook> whats aols?
[11:33] <sahko> haha true
[11:33] <BP{k}> ananke: damn :)
[11:34] <ananke> spook : alt.os.linux.slackware newsgroup
[11:34] <ananke> spook : frequented by a couple of notorious trolls
[11:34] <spook> worse than cpunches?
[11:34] <ananke> much worse, much more intelligent
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[11:34] <spook> heh.
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[11:35] <gm152> Realto Margarino (who uses otther aliases of that have initials of RM) is a notorious troll.
[11:35] Action: ananke wouldn't be surprised if there was wikipedia or encylopediadramatica article about RM
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[11:35] <spook> i know theres one on willy on wheels
[11:35] <Aquamarine> yeah
[11:36] <Aquamarine> whats a fuckin'about?
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[11:37] <gm152> ?
[11:38] <Aquamarine> werti_russian, where are u?
[11:38] <Aquamarine> gm152, hi
[11:38] <gm152> Hi.
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[11:43] <Camarade_Tux> DIE DIE DIE !
[11:43] <missyjane> Camarade_Tux, whats wrong?
[11:43] <missyjane> what happened?
[11:43] <quasar> he just needs a hug :)
[11:43] <Camarade_Tux> I updated glib in a different prefix and now I can't compile gtk because it tries to link against the wrong glib
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[11:44] <Camarade_Tux> actually it tries to use _both_ glibs
[11:44] <Camarade_Tux> I'll just leave X, removepkg glib and compile gtk
[11:45] <missyjane> yikes
[11:45] <Camarade_Tux> actually I won't close X
[11:46] <Camarade_Tux> removed
[11:47] <Pig_Pen> i done that before, i removed a package because there was no known paramater to disable a feature so i removed a library until one particular package was built then reinstalled the library and it never caused a hiccup
[11:48] <Camarade_Tux> but it wasn't one of those g* libraries !
[11:48] <Camarade_Tux> I'll kill them, I'll kill them
[11:50] <Camarade_Tux> ok, I need to tell autotools to use /opt/webkit and not /usr as prefix
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[11:52] <Camarade_Tux> gergipjjrebkgre !
[11:53] <werti_russian> Aquamarine> ??
[11:53] <Camarade_Tux> gasp
[11:53] <Camarade_Tux> /var/log/packages/aaa_elflibs-12.34-x86_64-2:usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0.1800.4
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[11:54] <Camarade_Tux> should I remove aaa_elflibs? ><
[11:54] <sahko> havent used it for a year or so
[11:54] <sahko> aaa_terminfo either
[11:55] <sahko> s/either/neither
[11:56] <BP{k}> /var/log/packages/aaa_elflibs-13.0-x86_64-2:usr/lib64/libgobject-2.0.so.0.1800.4
[11:56] <Camarade_Tux> it's weird aaa_elflibs has that, isn't aaa_elflibs from a/? yet it puts libs for X?
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[11:57] <Camarade_Tux> it's all slackboy's fault!
[11:57] <thrice`> aaa_elflibs is used primarily for installing
[11:58] <ananke> Camarade_Tux  :that's the task of aaa_elflibs, to provide a base set of libs
[11:58] <thrice`> the libraries get over-written later on
[11:58] <thrice`> that's why when upgrading slackware, aaa_elflibs should be skipped
[11:58] <Camarade_Tux> ananke: yeah, but why X ones?
[11:59] <ananke> Camarade_Tux : i'd assume some may be required for x utils during the install, such as font manipulation
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[12:00] <sahko> Camarade_Tux: libgobject is from glib2. that's l/ not x/
[12:00] <BP{k}> hmm libgobject-2.0 is part of glib2, not sure if that is actually X related.
[12:00] <Camarade_Tux> ananke: these were glib libs
[12:00] <Camarade_Tux> sahko: argh, right
[12:00] <BP{k}> sahko: dangit, trumpted :)
[12:00] <sahko> :)
[12:00] <Camarade_Tux> gtk is driving me mad
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[12:02] <Camarade_Tux> or libtool, I'm not sure which one is failing (yeah, I'm sure it's not my fault)
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[12:02] <thrice`> glib2 is pretty well linked into the core of apps these days
[12:02] <Camarade_Tux> well, I can still start xterms and mplayer :D
[12:03] <Camarade_Tux> and vim
[12:03] <Camarade_Tux> and less and zsh so almost everything is working here :D
[12:03] <thrice`> I think udev will require it (does?) in 145+
[12:03] <Camarade_Tux> after I read your message, I stared blankly at my screen
[12:04] <Camarade_Tux> we should base the kernel on firefox
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[12:04] <thrice`> or mono
[12:05] <Camarade_Tux> nah, mono wouldn't be nonsensical enough
[12:05] <Camarade_Tux> I hope only non-vital user-mode tools would be based on glib
[12:07] <sahko> thrice`is right glib2 is a dependency on udev>=145
[12:07] <sahko> http://gentoo-portage.com/AJAX/Ebuild/91814/View
[12:07] <Camarade_Tux> oh my god
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[12:07] <thrice`> sad face
[12:08] <edman007> omg, the power went out again last night :(
[12:08] <Camarade_Tux> and your fs damaged one of glib2 libs and now udev is broken ? ><
[12:08] <jonsmith1982> error: sendto(udp_notify=6, 192.168.1.14): Operation not permitted[2009/08/22 17:07:19]  could errors like this be caused by the executable not being in a safer place?
[12:10] <Fatalnix> doubt it
[12:10] <Fatalnix> morning
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[12:12] <ananke> jonsmith1982 : if anything, it would be because that process doesn't have enough privileges to execute that system call
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[12:13] <Fatalnix> what do yo have for a fs?
[12:13] <jonsmith1982> me?
[12:14] Action: Fatalnix nods
[12:14] <Fatalnix> everyone has their preferences
[12:14] <jonsmith1982> reiserfs
[12:14] <Fatalnix> oo!
[12:14] <ananke> xfs
[12:14] <Fatalnix> the fs that drove its creator insane
[12:14] <Camarade_Tux> ext1!
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[12:14] <Fatalnix> comarade: I booted SLS on kvm the other day
[12:14] <Fatalnix> had ext fs
[12:15] <Fatalnix> I actually like dreiserfs for a while, one day it started eating things though, I wonder if that isnt happening to you
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[12:16] <Fatalnix> nom nom nom
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[12:17] <Fatalnix> I personally prefer JFS.
[12:18] <Fatalnix> well, I  should say jfs2
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[12:19] <Fatalnix> what if some application caused it
[12:20] <Fatalnix> fglrx likes to erase Xorg.conf sometimes for no aparent reason.
[12:20] <Fatalnix> I know its not the module itself that does it.. but when I'm using it that is
[12:21] <prodigal1> reiserfs eh
[12:22] <prodigal1> sounds like a cold cut case of murder to use reiserfs....
[12:22] <prodigal1> too soon?
[12:22] <spook> has everyone stopped religioning here?
[12:22] <ananke> "proselytizing" :)
[12:23] <prodigal1> yea, now i'm making very unnecessary references to the creator of reiserfs being found guilty of murder
[12:23] <quasar> you can choose a path thats clear, I will choose free will.
[12:23] <prodigal1> RUSH FTW!
[12:23] <quasar> :)
[12:24] <spook> i know i definately throw away my passenger seat and hose down the inside of the car, then sleep in puddles of water EVERY week
[12:24] <spook> why shouldnt my file system support that?
[12:25] <ananke> should your tools support crazy beard and a lunatic approach to software too?
[12:25] <ananke> if the answer is 'no', quit using gnu :)
[12:25] <spook> my beard is getting there
[12:25] <panzer> trim it
[12:26] <spook> panzer: no
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[12:26] <prodigal1> erratic behavior while on the stand is the only support i need
[12:26] <prodigal1> use the panzerschrek
[12:26] <ananke> judging merits of software based on the behavior of its creators often fails
[12:27] Action: panzer shoots spook with a panzerschiffe
[12:27] <spook> vapourware
[12:27] <ananke> mind as well quit using gnu tools and anything that RMS has had his hands on
[12:27] Action: spook dodges
[12:27] Action: spook shoots a pdp-9 at panzer 
[12:29] <Camarade_Tux> my computer is probably about to die
[12:30] Action: spook shoots Camarade_Tux's computer at panzer 
[12:30] <Camarade_Tux> wait, it's not dead yet! ;)
[12:30] <Camarade_Tux> ok, back to life
[12:30] Action: spook shoots Camarade_Tux at panzer instead
[12:30] Action: spook shoots a panzer IV at panzer
[12:30] <prodigal1> well guys, my younger brother has turned 19 today, the legal drinking age here in Ontario, so I've gotta go get him rediculously drunk
[12:31] <Camarade_Tux> panzer: friend! \o/
[12:31] <spook> 19? wtf
[12:31] <prodigal1> e'erybody have a good day
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[12:31] <prodigal1> spook, haha what?
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[12:31] <Camarade_Tux> prodigal1: haha :p
[12:31] <Camarade_Tux> 19 is old
[12:31] <spook> no i mean, why 19
[12:31] <prodigal1> i dunno
[12:31] <prodigal1> used to be 18
[12:31] <spook> thats stupid
[12:31] <panzer> come on Camarade_Tux
[12:31] <prodigal1> it's still 18 in some provinces
[12:32] <prodigal1> spook, I can only assume you live somewhere away from North America lol
[12:32] <prodigal1> our drinking regulations are pretty dumb
[12:33] <Camarade_Tux> that's because those who do the laws don't have to follow them ><
[12:33] <prodigal1> at least it isnt as bad as the US, kids there can fight for their country as soon as their 18, but cant have a beer
[12:33] <prodigal1> they're*
[12:33] <spook> until they get stationed somewhere else
[12:35] <Fatalnix> I'm 21
[12:35] <spook> Fatalnix: congrats.
[12:35] <panzer> yea I live in the US and I think that is a stupid rule
[12:35] <Fatalnix> i dunno... I don't like it as much
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[12:47] <ananke> prodigal1 : actually, if they decide to fight for their country, they can have beer at 18
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[12:59] <quasar> ananke: not true
[12:59] <quasar> the federal law is 21, in the military or not
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[12:59] <ananke> quasar : while in military, one can drink on the base.
[12:59] <quasar> negative
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[12:59] <quasar> I served my time
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[12:59] <spook> times change
[13:00] <ananke> interesting, i guess i've been under the wrong impression
[13:00] <quasar> you might get beer from your friends in the dorms, but that doesn't make it legal :)
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[13:00] <ananke> "The minimum drinking age on a DoD installation located outside the United States shall be 18 years of age. Higher minimum drinking age will be based on international treaties and agreements and on the local situation as determined by the local installation commander"
[13:01] <ananke> ahh
[13:01] <ananke> so basically us military bases outside of the states fall under that law
[13:02] <quasar> yep though the air force "frowns upon" drinking under the age of 21 at any installation
[13:02] <ananke> and looks like before 'mid 80's' one could drink on the base, regardless of age
[13:02] <Pig_Pen> what is the drinking age in the EU nations, i heard some have lower than 18
[13:02] <mancha> alcohol really gets in the way of dogfighting iwith F15s
[13:05] <Camarade_Tux> mancha: that's what _you_ think -_- ever tried F15s while drunk?
[13:05] <quasar> mancha: I dont know of any pilots that are under drinking age anyway (in training or not) lol.. I know there certainly weren't any passing through my squadron
[13:05] <Camarade_Tux> Pig_Pen: <=16
[13:05] <quasar> Camarade_Tux: that, sir, depends on if they're reservist or not lol
[13:05] <Camarade_Tux> hehe :P
[13:06] <Camarade_Tux> Pig_Pen: also, what does drinking age mean? "buy", "drink in public" or something else?
[13:06] <Pig_Pen> yeah, able to walk in to a bar, pub or tavern and buy your own beer
[13:06] <Pig_Pen> legally
[13:07] <Camarade_Tux> Pig_Pen: they might have raised that but <16 is ok (wasn't buying things very strong)
[13:08] <Camarade_Tux> as for pubs/taverns/... I guess you'll be able to get to drink as long as it's not too much
[13:08] Action: Camarade_Tux has been asked for his id only once
[13:09] <Camarade_Tux> and that was maybe at the theater because I was trying to a <18 price
[13:10] <ananke> Camarade_Tux : that doesn't make it 'legal'
[13:10] <Pig_Pen> i think 16 is a fair age
[13:10] <Camarade_Tux> ananke: sure but the point is I'm not sure there is any law for that
[13:10] <spook> i would say that 21 is probally a better idea.
[13:10] <ananke> Camarade_Tux : most likely there is, you're just unaware of it
[13:11] <spook> from the perspective of liver development
[13:11] <Camarade_Tux> you mean I shouldn't have drink anything before a few months ago?
[13:11] Action: quasar tends to agree with spook from another perspective
[13:11] <quasar> just look at Niagara Falls.. drunk teens running all over the place (mostly American on the Canadian side)
[13:11] <Camarade_Tux> ananke: hmmm, I starting to remember something
[13:11] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, I think it's 16
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[13:12] <spook> now that i'm 21 i can appreciate why old people make laws that only apply to young people
[13:12] <mancha> 21 was chosen because statistically at some point, most DUI accidents happened to drivers between 17 and 21 - i wonder if that changed much after the law
[13:12] <Camarade_Tux> at a bit less than 16, I would go buy some beer with friends and once we got out of the shop and saw cops, we had the bottles opened
[13:12] <Camarade_Tux> they didn't even remotely care
[13:13] <spook> street drinking, they might
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[13:15] <Camarade_Tux> spook: one pretty light beer and weren't drunk at all
[13:15] <Camarade_Tux> like not at all
[13:17] <Camarade_Tux> mancha: they should raise the age to get your driver licence and allow people to drink between 16 and that new age ><
[13:18] <spook> where i am, drinking alcohol outside of lisenced areas is illegal
[13:18] <andli_> gah, tried to get one of two sound cards working for a couple of hours now
[13:18] <Camarade_Tux> spook: in australia? :o
[13:18] <spook> yes.
[13:19] Action: Camarade_Tux starts to imagine ACDC live while being forbidden to drink
[13:19] <Camarade_Tux> s/starts to/tries to/
[13:19] <spook> there are usually areas that are fenced off in concerts that you can drink in
[13:19] <spook> but you have to buy it there. cant take it out, or bring your own
[13:20] <spook> only 18+ are allowed in the area
[13:20] <NthDegree> Hey guys, what's the best way to upgrade Slackware without using an ISO?
[13:21] <Camarade_Tux> rsync repo ?
[13:21] <spook> NthDegree: network install
[13:21] Action: Camarade_Tux will be doing that in an hour
[13:21] <tank-man> NthDegree, there is a 'upgrade.txt' or 'hints.txt' file with info
[13:21] Action: quasar <3 rsync
[13:21] <tank-man> you just need access to the directory with the new files/packages
[13:22] <Camarade_Tux> spook: well, it's not to drink during the concert (broken glass bottles...) but before or after, or anything ='(
[13:22] <spook> Camarade_Tux: usually no glass.  only beer in plastic cups
[13:22] <Camarade_Tux> well, possible
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[13:24] <NthDegree> tank-man, thanks ^^
[13:24] Action: NthDegree thinks he'll rsync and upgrade that way ^^
[13:25] <darkwurm> http://tinyurl.com/qryedz I spit up my coffee on this one
[13:25] <tank-man> the txt file I mentioned just tells you which packages you should update first
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[13:32] <quasar> bah.. page isn't loading for me darkwurm :(
[13:33] <quasar> there it goes
[13:34] <darkwurm> your first instinct is to be offended :P
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[13:34] <darkwurm> mine was anyways heh
[13:35] <quasar> lol
[13:36] <quasar> I think its funny.. but the first thing I read was the distro he ws using
[13:37] <spook> lol
[13:38] <darkwurm> haha yeah
[13:40] <jonsmith1982> http://pastebin.com/m4956630b what do you make of this error? the code is being run as root.
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[13:44] <jonsmith1982> I have a feeling its because i'm using wireless.
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[13:45] <shik4nt4z4> Hello!
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[13:47] <Pig_Pen> darkwurm: that LQ.org post is funny, too bad it is closed i have some snide replies i could make to that moron
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[13:50] <quasar> ROFL "Ubuntu Expert. Does that mean you've got a black belt in Sudo?"
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[13:50] <spook> Pig_Pen: i think thats the reason its closed
[13:50] <Pig_Pen> yeah, it is for the best
[13:51] <_budo> is the tar command with the [-t] or list option malfunctional ?
[13:51] <mancha> budo no
[13:51] <_budo> y it does not list the contents
[13:51] <gm152> You have to use other arguments with -t.
[13:51] <_budo> tar -t foo.tar ?
[13:51] <gm152> tar -tvf foo.tar
[13:52] <nooper> tar tf something.tar
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[13:53] <_budo> ok thanks
[13:54] <_budo> tar backed up the etc directory so fast it looked like it didnt do it
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[13:57] <agentc0re> dive: hiptobecubic:  Yo.  Got pidgin working.. somewhat.  Tried to do some audio with antiwire last night.  However we could only see out own mic volume moving.
[13:57] <agentc0re> hiptobecubic: we should see if video works though.
[13:58] <fire|bird> hey agentc0re, how's it going?
[13:59] <agentc0re> fire|bird: ask me again in a couple hours, just woke up. :P
[13:59] <fire|bird> haha
[14:00] <agentc0re> fire|bird: you been messing with the new pidgin?
[14:00] <fire|bird> agentc0re: Well, I just woke up about an hour ago. :P
[14:00] <Fatalnix> new pidgin?
[14:00] <Fatalnix> the one that fixed yahoo?
[14:00] <fire|bird> I have 2.6.1 installed, yes, but I didn't mess with the a/v stuff.
[14:00] <agentc0re> Fatalnix: they added video/voice.
[14:00] <agentc0re> fire|bird: oh.
[14:01] <fire|bird> agentc0re: I never use that stuff so I figured why compile the support in. :P
[14:01] <Fatalnix> if touy had rto exploit them thats easy
[14:01] <Fatalnix> ytou can do that with infinate possibilities
[14:01] <Fatalnix> sorry, showing someone something, wrong window
[14:01] <Fatalnix> programming help :)
[14:02] <spook> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=3581755#post3581755
[14:02] <spook> hahahaha
[14:02] <Fatalnix> noob programmers...
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[14:03] <fire|bird> spook: hahaha
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[14:04] <Fatalnix> are you serious!? FINALLY!
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[14:05] <hiptobecubic> agentc0re, you got it working?
[14:06] <agentc0re> hiptobecubic: Well it works in the sense that it should have worked but we couldn't hear eachother.
[14:06] <Pig_Pen> i am in that one spook, i predicted October 31 (due to the 13 release number)
[14:06] <hiptobecubic> lol
[14:06] <hiptobecubic> agentc0re, "it worked in the sense that it should have worked"
[14:06] <agentc0re> hiptobecubic: and you have a cam right?  We're the only ones that could test that out, afaik right now.
[14:06] <hiptobecubic> yeah
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[14:10] <hiptobecubic> video is working!
[14:10] <dive> \o/
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[14:10] <dive> audio?
[14:10] <hiptobecubic> just clicks
[14:10] <dive> .
[14:10] <hiptobecubic> but the video is not bad at all
[14:11] <hiptobecubic> i see agentc0re's grandmother
[14:11] <fire|bird> greetings dive, how are you?
[14:11] <spook> i stay away from moronic blackholes like LQ
[14:11] <dive> fire|bird, hi mate. Sleepy. Yourself?
[14:11] <fire|bird> dive: great, thanks. :)
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[14:12] <hiptobecubic> ... or wife
[14:12] <hiptobecubic> :D
[14:12] <fire|bird> hiptobecubic: Are you sure that's not agentc0re himself?
[14:12] Action: fire|bird runs
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[14:13] <dive> aka Norman Bate's mother
[14:13] <fire|bird> haha
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[14:14] Action: Camarade_Tux shoots fire|bird 
[14:14] <Camarade_Tux> hmmmm, chicken for dinner! \o/
[14:14] Action: Camarade_Tux shares some with the channel
[14:14] <dive> lol
[14:14] Action: fire|bird shoots Camarade_Tux back, with a cannon.
[14:14] <fire|bird> Mmmm, penquin
[14:15] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird and I are tasting each other...
[14:15] <dive> perv
[14:15] <fire|bird> ok that doesn't sound right
[14:15] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: Get that browser done yet?
[14:15] <fire|bird> :P
[14:16] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: working on it a bit ;)
[14:17] <fire|bird> good
[14:17] <fire|bird> work till it's finished. :)
[14:17] <Camarade_Tux> haha :P
[14:17] <hiptobecubic> dive, did you do anything fancy to get audio working with antiwire?
[14:17] <hiptobecubic> i'm still just getting clicks
[14:17] <dive> hiptobecubic, not really
[14:17] <hiptobecubic> click...click....click...click...click.....
[14:17] <hiptobecubic> dive, rats
[14:18] <hiptobecubic> I have all your packages to
[14:18] <hiptobecubic> o*
[14:18] <dive> hiptobecubic, does mic work normally in other progs?
[14:18] <hiptobecubic> i have no mic. But i can usually listen to audio fine
[14:18] <dive> and agentc0re shoudl check too
[14:19] <dive> I think I'll post on LQ now anyway and see what sort of feedback we get.
[14:19] <agentc0re> dive: let me check.
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[14:25] <NthDegree> Anyone here using KDE 4.2.x?
[14:26] <fire|bird> NthDegree: I do, 4.2.4, but I'm on xfce atm.
[14:26] <NthDegree> I've given GNOME a good try out, and decided it's no replacement for KDE 3.5
[14:26] <spook> kde 4 is awesome
[14:27] <NthDegree> I guess i'll give it another fair try
[14:30] <Fatalnix> gnome wasn't meant to be a replacement for kde, isnt kde newer than gnome anyways?
[14:30] <NthDegree> Fatalnix, KDE is the older project :P
[14:30] <Fatalnix> really?
[14:30] <spook> made by trolltech
[14:30] <NthDegree> GNOME was made due to licencing IIRC
[14:31] <Fatalnix> ic
[14:31] <Fatalnix> idk, I don't use de's
[14:31] <NthDegree> and Linus Torvalds who called the GNOME devs "Interface Nazis" has now switched from KDE to GNOME due to the mess ups in early KDE 4
[14:32] <spook> early kde 4 was meant to have all the mess ups
[14:32] <spook> rather than it being late kde 4
[14:33] <Fatalnix> I figured Linus was more of a wm sort of guy if he had to be
[14:33] <NthDegree> Fatalnix, he used to be but changed stance on that one
[14:33] <spook> he seems to do that a lot
[14:34] <NthDegree> Well.. last I checked, Fedora and GNOME is what he uses :P
[14:34] <spook> oh god
[14:34] <Pig_Pen> Linux is doomed if this is what kernels are being built to run on
[14:34] <NthDegree> IIRC He said there were only two distros that had all the latest stuff and he'd consider using: Fedora and OpenSuSE
[14:35] <fire|bird> NthDegree: He also likes Ubuntu
[14:35] <Pig_Pen>  /sarcasm
[14:35] <spook> latest stuff? wtf
[14:35] <NthDegree> and he did mention Ubuntu somewhere but stated it isn't up to date enough with the latest bits
[14:35] <NthDegree> spook, as in all the experimental new fads that come in
[14:36] <spook> yeah lol.
[14:36] <NyteOwl> or *cough* PAM and friends
[14:36] <NthDegree> for example:  Fedora "supports" as an experimental option the ability to use btrfs
[14:36] <NthDegree> and they have crap like PulseAudio by default
[14:37] <spook> loooooooooool
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[14:37] <werti> hi all
[14:38] <NthDegree> spook, I remember one person commenting on a blog saying "PulseAudio is the best thing that's happened to Linux"
[14:38] Action: spook last installed core 4.  
[14:38] <Pig_Pen> i bet within the next couple of years i abandon linux and maybe even PCs all together because it all boils down to PCs (no matter what OS is on them) they are troublesome just by the nature of software bugs and i start building my collection of books back up in my library
[14:38] <NthDegree> Core 4 was my first install of Fedora
[14:38] <Camarade_Tux> NthDegree: was he 4?
[14:39] <NthDegree> Camarade_Tux, no idea, was a she though >_>
[14:39] <Camarade_Tux> NthDegree: ah, that explains all
[14:39] <spook> they have like core 7 at uni but i use my eeepc with slackware current on it instead
[14:40] Action: NyteOwl never abandoned hi library.
[14:41] <NyteOwl> s/hi/his/
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[14:41] <NthDegree> Pig_Pen, within the next few years i'll probably be moving to a different OS altogether
[14:41] <NyteOwl> QNX is nice :)
[14:42] <NthDegree> NyteOwl, was thinking along the lines of *BSD
[14:42] <NyteOwl> NthDegree: also nice
[14:42] <Camarade_Tux> plan9?
[14:43] <NthDegree> Camarade_Tux, now how would I port ALSA and PulseAudio to that? ;-p
[14:43] <NyteOwl> router/firewall at work is OpenBSD, main server is FreeBSD, workstations are Slack
[14:43] Action: NthDegree hides
[14:43] <Pig_Pen> the more complicated and feature rich an OS is the more troublesome and bug infested it becomes
[14:43] <Camarade_Tux> NthDegree: bah, you don't need sound -_-
[14:44] <Camarade_Tux> NthDegree: or you just cat/pipe to your sound device :D
[14:44] <NthDegree> Pig_Pen, that's why i'll eventually end up upgrading my OS by compiling
[14:45] <NthDegree> As in, taking a stable copy of Slackware and upgrading components only as necessary
[14:45] <v3gard> i have this folder that contains a few files that has filenames with digits. can I use a "for i in *" and then use grep or something similar to grab the numbers?
[14:46] <Pig_Pen> i will say Pat builds a great distro
[14:46] <spook> v3gard: sed
[14:46] <Pig_Pen> NthDegree: ever tried Crux Linux ?
[14:46] <NthDegree> Pig_Pen, nope, but I have used ArchLinux
[14:47] <v3gard> spook: thanks. I'll look into that
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[14:56] <alisonken1church> got an hp pavilion ze4610. the ati radeon mobility chip works great with the compiz effects enabled, but I'd like to get the s-video out working. anyone figure out the xorg.conf entries for the svideo port?
[14:56] <spook> xrandr
[14:56] <alisonken1church> hmm - forgot about that one
[14:57] <alisonken1church> thanks
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[14:59] <spook> NyteOwl: heh
[15:00] <Cesarion76> anyone knows when will be slackbook 3 realesed?
[15:00] <spook> lol.
[15:02] Action: Camarade_Tux needs a compile farm
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[15:03] <puyi> just curious does patrick use kde ?
[15:04] <spook> no he uses gnome
[15:04] <alisonken1church> bada bing!
[15:04] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, he's really pleased with gnome3 and gnomeshell :)
[15:05] <puyi> :D
[15:05] <puyi> lol :P
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[15:05] <Camarade_Tux> so yeah, he's using kde ;)
[15:06] <puyi> Camarade_Tux: :)
[15:06] <alisonken1church> that's why gnome is default slackware install
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[15:07] Action: NyteOwl wan't a Natvie Slackware GNOME :(
[15:07] <puyi> does kde use alsa or arts ?
[15:07] <alisonken1church> both
[15:07] Action: NyteOwl wants a Native Slackware GNOME :(
[15:07] <alisonken1church> but you  can select
[15:07] <NyteOwl> there
[15:07] <spook> kde uses pulseaudio
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[15:07] <christian> hello
[15:07] <puyi> spook: nope
[15:07] <puyi> alisonken1church: oh yeah now i remember thanks :P
[15:08] <puyi> is it safe to remove arts ?
[15:08] <puyi> or just leave it and choose alsa
[15:08] <alisonken1church> unless you really need the disk space, just leave it and choose arts
[15:08] <alisonken1church> s/arts/alsa/
[15:09] <spook> puyi: if you're trying to do what i think you are, stop now before you break too many things
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[15:10] <puyi> alisonken1church: thanks
[15:10] <hiptobecubic> spook, :D
[15:10] <puyi> going to remove xfce and install kde now :P
[15:10] <NyteOwl> you'll regret it
[15:10] <hiptobecubic> spook, you mean try to throw a bunch of things out of the kernel?
[15:11] <NyteOwl> prts of your body will turn purple and fall off
[15:11] <hiptobecubic> <3 xfce 4eva!
[15:11] <quasar> SMURFS !
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[15:11] <puyi> xfce still needs a lot of apps to be a reall DE
[15:12] <puyi> real*
[15:12] <hiptobecubic> puyi, what are you talking about
[15:12] <hiptobecubic> what's it missing
[15:12] <puyi> hiptobecubic: a cd/dvd burning app
[15:12] <hiptobecubic> xfburn
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[15:12] <NthDegree> puyi, what have you been smoking?
[15:12] <puyi> NthDegree: not the good kind i think :-(
[15:13] <NthDegree> arts sits on top of alsa
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[15:13] <spook> and kde apps works fine in xfce
[15:13] <NthDegree> and also a DE doesn't need everything including the kitchen sink
[15:13] <hiptobecubic> if you want yucky QT all over everything
[15:14] <spook> hiptobecubic: wash your mouth out.
[15:14] <hiptobecubic> NO
[15:14] <spook> have you looked at gtk code versus qt code?
[15:14] <hiptobecubic> QT is gross
[15:14] <NthDegree> QT > GTK from an end user perspective
[15:14] <Camarade_Tux> bah, the win32 api is the only sane one -_-
[15:14] <hiptobecubic> Not this end user
[15:14] <spook> QT > GTK from a programming perspective too
[15:14] <Camarade_Tux> NthDegree: nope, they're equal
[15:14] <Camarade_Tux> the user just doesn't care
[15:15] <Camarade_Tux> as for the programmers, it varies
[15:15] <NthDegree> Camarade_Tux, try upgrading GTK on Windows when apps don't have their own GTK versions shipped with them ;)
[15:15] <NthDegree> random issues occur
[15:15] <spook> gtk is REALLLLLLY UGLY WRITTEN
[15:16] <puyi> NthDegree: why would you use GTK on windows ?
[15:16] <NthDegree> puyi, X-Chat, GIMP etc.
[15:16] <C00re> Pidgin
[15:16] Nick change: Urchlay_ -> Urchlay
[15:17] <spook> gtk on windows is like a whole different code base
[15:17] <Camarade_Tux> NthDegree: ok
[15:17] <NthDegree> spook, when compared with QT :p
[15:18] <Camarade_Tux> NthDegree: do you know that I've had the first windows version of webkit-gtk? that I'm interested in mingw-w64? and finally that I'm writing a package manager for windows to share libs among several programs? :D
[15:18] <spook> well qt is written in sane C++, instead of ugly ugly retarded monkey object fucked up orrientated C
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[15:18] <Camarade_Tux> sane C++, hmmm, some would disagree ;)
[15:19] <NthDegree> Camarade_Tux, nope.. but why would anyone want a package manager for Windows? ;-p
[15:19] <NthDegree> petition MS to fix MSI xD
[15:19] <spook> msi is actually quite nice, if i can remember why
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[15:20] <Camarade_Tux> NthDegree: not to duplicate gtk installations? :P
[15:20] <spook> wasted effort.
[15:20] <Camarade_Tux> NthDegree: msi is not what I want
[15:20] <Camarade_Tux> spook: you overestimate the difficulty
[15:21] <Camarade_Tux> NthDegree: http://yaxm.org/wiki/how:wihu
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[15:21] <spook> wasted effort is wasted effort, no matter how much effort it is
[15:21] <NthDegree> Camarade_Tux, I already have the best package management going, batch files :P
[15:21] <Camarade_Tux> he, as you wish, I take it you don't compile on/for windows?
[15:21] <spook> why would i want to?
[15:22] <NthDegree> Camarade_Tux, of course not!  Why would an end-user compile on Windows?
[15:22] <NthDegree> ./configure && make && make install == heaven
[15:22] <Camarade_Tux> I look at myself in the mirror and I don't see any end-user ><
[15:23] <NthDegree> and Windows doesn't offer any conveniences like that
[15:23] <Camarade_Tux> and mingw-w64, no way I use msc or even mingw
[15:23] <spook> NthDegree: ./program.Slackbuild = the real heaven
[15:23] <NthDegree> Compiling the Linux kernel is akin to running memmaker and tweaking CONFIG.SYS :P
[15:23] <Camarade_Tux> spook: I want to use slackbuilds ><
[15:24] <NthDegree> spook, yeah indeed ^^
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[15:31] <puyi> what's a good alternative to xfce's default terminal ?
[15:31] <spook> puyi: konsole
[15:32] <Camarade_Tux> (u)xterm? (u)rxvt?
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[15:32] <Fatalnix> /dev/tty(x)
[15:32] <puyi> spook: i don't want to mix kde stuff with it :P
[15:32] <Fatalnix> XD
[15:32] <spook> puyi: welcome to stupidville
[15:32] <Fatalnix> I use aterm
[15:32] <puyi> spook: thank you stupid master :D
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[16:02] <NyteOwl> *yawn*
[16:02] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm, I was about to forget to upgrade
[16:03] <Camarade_Tux> Kids always brighten up a house; mostly by leaving the lights on.
[16:03] <Camarade_Tux>  ^^
[16:03] <NyteOwl> lol
[16:03] <NyteOwl> damn, it's 5pm and the temp is up to 31 and a humidex of 42 :(
[16:03] <Camarade_Tux> 10pm and probably 26C
[16:03] <Camarade_Tux> or less
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[16:04] <Camarade_Tux> as for humidity, no idea
[16:04] <yskapell> hello guys
[16:04] <NyteOwl> hi yskapell
[16:04] <Camarade_Tux> yo yskapell
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[16:05] <yskapell> everything cool?
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[16:06] <Camarade_Tux> not really, computer running at 76C ><
[16:06] <yskapell> no bad
[16:07] <Camarade_Tux> compiling :)
[16:08] <chopp> get the frypan, and cook some eggs?
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[16:08] <Camarade_Tux> chopp: no way I eat anything more ;)
[16:08] <chopp> Camarade_Tux: carry on then :)
[16:09] <fire|bird> y0 chopp
[16:09] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: 76C, hahahaha
[16:09] <chopp> sup fire|bird
[16:09] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: make -j3 :)
[16:09] <fire|bird> lol
[16:10] <fire|bird> chopp: not much, working on the lappy (no slack isn't there quite yet :P). you?
[16:10] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: bump that up to make -j6 :P
[16:10] <fire|bird> you'll see smoke
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[16:10] <fire|bird> and hear your cpu crying
[16:10] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: I'm waiting for the quad core ;)
[16:11] <Camarade_Tux> my cpu is a big boy, he doesn't cry -_-
[16:11] <Camarade_Tux> it's *your* cpu who's a sissy!
[16:11] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: bah, wait for octo-core :P
[16:11] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: haha, I doubt that
[16:11] <spook> my 64 cores beat your 8
[16:11] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: they've been available for some time now but they're expensive
[16:11] <spook> by a factor of 8
[16:12] <chopp> fire|bird: just hanging out, doing nothing really...and no slack on that lappy yet?!?! :P
[16:12] <Camarade_Tux> spook: but you onky have 640KB of memory -_-
[16:12] <fire|bird> chopp: hahaha, nope
[16:12] <fire|bird> onky? :P
[16:12] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: come on, admit you're cpu is crying alone at night -_-
[16:12] <spook> Camarade_Tux: i have 6969696969696969 gig of memoray, and 64kb of ram
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[16:13] Action: fire|bird sets a fire pit under spook's cpu's :)
[16:13] <agentc0re1> antiwire: so got video to work.
[16:13] <spook> fire|bird: that makes it go faster
[16:14] <raela> ...does slackware-current purposely leave kpdf and kedit out of the kde packages?
[16:14] <spook> cause fire is red
[16:14] Nick change: agentc0re1 -> agentc0re
[16:14] <spook> raela: kde4 doesnt have kpdf anymore
[16:14] Action: fire|bird sets a semi truck full of ice under spook's cpu's
[16:14] <spook> it has the thing occulus or something which is a generic document reader
[16:14] <Camarade_Tux> okular
[16:14] <spook> fire|bird: ice makes it go 69 times faster.
[16:15] <antiwire> agentc0re: did you try sound yet?
[16:15] <raela> thanks
[16:15] Action: fire|bird takes a sled hammer to spook's cpu's and removes all thermal compound.
[16:15] <fire|bird> sledge
[16:15] <spook> fire|bird: that was YOUR machine you just destroyed
[16:15] <agentc0re> antiwire: video only work is hip sends me a request.  Same with sound with dive.  it only full connected if dive sent it... but we both only heard clicks.
[16:15] <quasar> violence is bad :(
[16:16] <antiwire> dive: you here?
[16:16] <antiwire> can we test sound for just a few seconds?
[16:16] <dive> kind of
[16:16] <fire|bird> spook: nope, it was yours, I confirmed with gps. :P
[16:16] <spook> fire|bird: you got the coordinates backwards
[16:16] <raela> does kde come with something to view .doc/x, .xls/x, .ppt/x, etc? or should I try to get open office
[16:16] <dive> antiwire, ok one sec
[16:17] <fire|bird> spook: nah, I used military gps and nasa satellites, I got yours. :P
[16:17] <spook> gps IS military
[16:17] <fire|bird> hahaha, whoops
[16:18] <fire|bird> oh well, I fail again, isn't the first time
[16:18] <spook> and nasa satelites point AWAY from earth not towards it
[16:18] <quasar> rachael: not sure if they've made it capable to do microsfot files but try KWord and KSpread
[16:18] <agentc0re> dive: antiwire:  Get this though.  i made it so i could see everything through my firewall and when we did video, his private ip addy popped up in my logs.
[16:18] <Camarade_Tux> raela: koffice?
[16:18] <antiwire> agentc0re: this stuff is ghetto
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[16:18] <Camarade_Tux> quasar: congrats, I think you've just found the channel's fourth female
[16:19] <antiwire> i'm disabling this crap in my build
[16:19] <quasar> Camarade_Tux: she was here last night :)
[16:19] <agentc0re> antiwire: ya.. so i think their nat translations are fubar'd.
[16:19] <deco> anyone know how to disable the touch pad's tap click with xorg.conf ?
[16:19] <Camarade_Tux> quasar: >1% of female on the channel, that's getting pretty bad =/
[16:19] <raela> ugh, kword is horribly ugly
[16:19] <dive> agentc0re, you mean internal ip?
[16:19] <raela> Camarade_Tux: I've been here for a few years. I just lurk a lot
[16:20] <antiwire> lets just wait for pidgin 3.0
[16:20] <agentc0re> dive: yup.  same thing in the end.  was a 192.168.1.7
[16:20] <antiwire> this is unstable
[16:20] <dive> agentc0re, antiwire are you behind routers?
[16:20] <Camarade_Tux> raela: you're female too?
[16:20] <antiwire> yes
[16:20] <dive> use a stun server?
[16:20] <raela> ugh, kword has mangled this file
[16:20] <raela> Camarade_Tux: yes
[16:20] <antiwire> no stun
[16:20] <Camarade_Tux> nearly 2% of female then :P
[16:20] <antiwire> dive: it worked for you an me before
[16:20] <dive> try it - I couldnt send files via gmail until i set one up
[16:20] <antiwire> this is wacky
[16:20] <raela> guess I do need open office :/ the install binary I got off of their website doesn't work, though
[16:21] <Camarade_Tux> raela: yeah, better work on backups when using doc/docx/odf/whatever between several software
[16:21] <deco> raela: the the one from workman's site
[16:21] <spook> raela: rworkman has a very nice package
[16:21] <deco> get the*
[16:21] <raela> link?
[16:21] <Camarade_Tux> raela: could it be encoding?
[16:21] <spook> which is just a repackaging of the official binaries
[16:21] <fire|bird> raela: rlworkman.net/pkgs
[16:22] <raela> Camarade_Tux: it's called my laptop is a royal pain in the ass to work with
[16:22] <raela> fire|bird: thanks
[16:22] <fire|bird> you're welcome
[16:22] <dive> antiwire, agentc0re set up a stun server in pdgin network options and restart
[16:22] <antiwire> k
[16:23] <dive> then check ip in same
[16:23] <antiwire> should the IP be my nat IP or my live IP?
[16:23] <agentc0re> dive: not sure how to do that.
[16:24] <antiwire> i have a resolvable domain name
[16:24] <Camarade_Tux> "You have a broken /var/log/packages - with two versions of the same package.
[16:24] <Camarade_Tux> "
[16:24] <Camarade_Tux> blarg, it's on purpose !
[16:24] <spook> having a domain name is useful
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[16:25] <antiwire> ok
[16:25] <dive> antiwire, agentc0re: http://omploader.org/vMjczdw
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[16:26] <antiwire> dive: does that server feild need to point to some external stun server?
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[16:26] <dive> stunserver.org
[16:26] <antiwire> k
[16:26] <agentc0re> dive: I didn't think it would be that easy..
[16:26] <agentc0re> dive: saw the setting.. went to that site.  They say not to put that in the settings for a stun server.
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[16:27] <dive> ?
[16:27] <agentc0re> http://www.stunserver.org/
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[16:27] <antiwire> i'm ready
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[16:28] <dive> agentc0re, yeah thats fine - they are saying for devs not to hardcode it in
[16:28] <agentc0re> Oh, gotcha
[16:28] <agentc0re> k, brb.
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[16:33] <spook> is signing a post-breakup letter, your friend in time, blah too like, nerdy?
[16:34] <NyteOwl> sounds a bit formal
[16:34] <NyteOwl> not nerdy
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[16:34] <spook> its back to the future
[16:34] <NyteOwl> lol
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[16:35] <spook> so yes or no
[16:36] <fire|bird> Well, it's not nerdy, I would think it'd be fine.
[16:37] <fire|bird> I mean nerdy sounding
[16:37] <fire|bird> spook: are you using it specifically because it's a back to the future reference? Would she pick up on that if you were?
[16:37] <spook> probally not
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[16:40] <fire|bird> spook: Well, reference to back to the future or not, it sounds good, heck, use it. :P
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[16:50] <rworkman> spook: I didn't mean to CC you with those pics, but thanks anyway :-)
[16:50] <rworkman> 20:21 < spook> raela: rworkman has a very nice package
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[16:50] <rworkman> And with that, I'm afk again :)
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[16:53] <spook> cc me what
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[16:53] <fire|bird> it was a joke
[16:53] <fredoslack> coucou mega =)
[16:53] <fire|bird> y0 fredoslack
[16:53] <spook> oooooooooooooh
[16:53] <fredoslack> re fire|bird   =)
[16:53] <fire|bird> spook: re-read it and think about it. :P
[16:53] Action: spook was checking email for stuff from rworkman
[16:54] <antiwire> ffmpeg svn + kino + avidemux is a total mess
[16:54] <antiwire> ffmpeg seems to keep breaking things randomly
[16:54] <spook> thats what she said
[16:54] <raela> awesome, soffice is working now
[16:56] <spook> 5am
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[16:58] <raela> ew, a .pptx froze up x
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[17:11] <fredoslack> re fire|bird   :)
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[17:20] <hiptobecubic> is there an easy way to unload the alsa modules
[17:20] <hiptobecubic> it looks like /etc/rc.d/rc.alsa is just for loading
[17:25] <Pig_Pen> now i know where i heard that nick, hiptobecubic i guess you like Huey Lois and the News?
[17:25] <Pig_Pen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB5YkmjalDg hiptobecubic
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[17:27] <hiptobecubic> I do, but I picked this name because my dad called his dad a square back in the day
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[17:27] <hiptobecubic> it's a good song though
[17:27] <hiptobecubic> even better video :D
[17:27] <kitche> umm to unload modules are easy to do forgot teh exact command for linux though
[17:29] <hiptobecubic> modprobe -r... but there are loads of interdependencies in the alsa modules that makes it a pain
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[17:36] <Pig_Pen> testingt
[17:37] <Pig_Pen> am i still here?
[17:37] <NyteOwl> as much as you ever are :p
[17:37] <Pig_Pen> cool!
[17:37] <Pig_Pen> i guess hiptobecubic left
[17:37] <Pig_Pen> i was going to say something to him
[17:37] <mancha> Nyte, who are you talking to?
[17:38] <NyteOwl> mancha: Pig_Pen
[17:38] <Pig_Pen> a ghost, ##slackware is haunted
[17:38] Action: NyteOwl is a ghost in the machine
[17:40] <antiwire>  /. is lagging stumble more and more each day. it's starting to get silly
[17:40] <antiwire> I see articles in stumble sometimes days before they hit /. or ars
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[17:42] <mancha> has anyone used cinelerra? if so, is it worth the hassle to build it?
[17:42] <antiwire> mancha: It's a total bitch to build. I use avidemux and kino instead
[17:43] <antiwire> the dep list is 4 miles long for cinelerra
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[17:44] <Pig_Pen> avidemux ++
[17:44] <mancha> which i would be okay with if someone told me it is amazing...need to get an objective review
[17:44] <antiwire> mancha: If you really want to try cinellera you can give it a shot using a liveCD
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[17:46] <antiwire> I just built avidemux 2.5.1
[17:46] <hiptobecubic> OMG YOU GUYZ
[17:46] <hiptobecubic> ALSA FIXED MY MICROPHONE ISSUE
[17:46] <antiwire> the SBo slackbuild doesn't seem to properly use the cmake environment so it took some modifications
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[17:46] <hiptobecubic> MY MIC WORKS
[17:46] <fire|bird> mancha: cinelerra is a really nice app, but imo, it's not worth building. Just build avidemux & kino
[17:46] <antiwire> hiptobecubic: that's cool bro, too bad pidgin doesn't work anymore for dive, agentc0re or me
[17:46] <Pig_Pen> contratulations hiptobecubic
[17:47] <mancha> fire, i've got both those. i am specifically trying to figure out if cin is worth the effort
[17:47] <dive> hmm
[17:47] <hiptobecubic> antiwire, what? lol
[17:47] <hiptobecubic> are you kidding
[17:47] <mancha> i've even built kdenlive which isn't too shabby either if you're into that fire
[17:47] <hiptobecubic> GOD DAMNIT
[17:47] <antiwire> no
[17:47] <antiwire> it stopped working after no changes...
[17:47] <dive> we just tested again and... click click
[17:47] <antiwire> it's not stable enough yet
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[17:49] <mancha> fire, its all just a hobby so i am finding it hard to motivate the build for cin which is a bit of a pain
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[17:50] <hiptobecubic> damnit
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[17:51] <hiptobecubic> for agentc0re and I, calls only worked if i called out to him. and then we couldn't get audio. just the clicking. although video worked everytime
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[17:52] <fire|bird> mancha: yeah, it's a pain to build and can be frustration to use at times as well.
[17:53] <mancha> one thing i heard throgh the grapevine is that its a bit unstable, is it? if so, all bets are off.
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[17:53] <fire|bird> mancha: not in my experience know, just a pain in general tbh, imo.
[17:54] <mancha> that's useful, thanks. i'll put it on the list of projects but with low priority
[17:54] <dive> on a more important note: http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6144/personals.jpg
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[17:54] <fire|bird> mancha: was there a lot to build to get kdenlive going?
[17:54] <hiptobecubic> So that's it then? No one wants to hear my fancy new mic
[17:54] <hiptobecubic> damn you
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[17:55] <dive> hiptobecubic, sure
[17:55] <dive> you're not online
[17:55] <hiptobecubic> loading
[17:55] <mancha> fire, not really, the biggie was MLT. wasy build
[17:55] <antiwire> it works
[17:56] <mancha> wasy build = easy build :)
[17:56] <antiwire> wtf
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[17:56] <fire|bird> mancha: ok, cool, thanks. I'll maybe give that a try after a while. I'm going to rebuild kde 4.3 right now though.
[17:57] <Pig_Pen> irssi does not support webcams & microphones :(
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[17:57] <antiwire> dive: it just worked perfect with hiptobecubic
[17:57] <antiwire> audio
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[17:58] <hiptobecubic> :D
[17:58] <antiwire> this is so weird
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[17:58] <hiptobecubic> isn't it... you guys are all just empty text. i don't want faces and voices
[17:59] <antiwire> hahaha
[17:59] <hiptobecubic> it ruins the mystique of IRC
[17:59] <antiwire> yeah that part is weird too
[17:59] <antiwire> but the random works and doesn't work is weirder!
[17:59] <missyjane> no offense but whats so good about irssi?.
[18:00] <hiptobecubic> it lets you get on IRC after you've destroyed your X server.
[18:00] <antiwire> it's always like this "uuhh it works!" "uhh yeah...ok bye"
[18:00] <rk4n3> missyjane: its extremely well-controllable, its console-based, lots of features, etc...
[18:00] <fire|bird> hey rk4n3
[18:00] <rk4n3> fire|bird: hi there :)
[18:00] <hiptobecubic> I don't use it often, but i have a script that launches it and authenticates me on freenode so i can ask about how i borked my desktop again.
[18:01] <missyjane> hm.. ok i see now rk4n3
[18:02] <hiptobecubic> antiwire, well i mean. what would we talk about anyway. this place only works because there are thirty people in here rambling all the time
[18:02] <antiwire> exactly
[18:02] <antiwire> I think we're just messing with a problem that we want to work and went it works it's sort of like...ehh over it
[18:03] <rk4n3> I have a private IRC server with only a handfull of people, it works great - you can't necessarily count on alot of active conversation, but you can always leave a comment and check back later - it has its benefits
[18:03] <antiwire> so now, I can't voice dive but I can voice to you
[18:04] <antiwire> I'm tempted to setup a totally clean VM and build all of the new versions of these packages on it.
[18:04] <antiwire> part of me is blaming a potential tainted lib situation
[18:04] <hiptobecubic> tainted lib?
[18:05] <hiptobecubic> aren't we all on dive's packages?
[18:05] <antiwire> yeah, since we all have different stuff on your systems though
[18:05] <hiptobecubic> like different hardware?
[18:05] <antiwire> we're all using the same packages and builds but this randomness doesn't make sense other than possible existing libs that the builds are picking up
[18:06] <hiptobecubic> yeah i suppose
[18:06] <appzer0> hi there. How would you do to upgrade safely to 13.0 -when it's ready- a web server under 12.2, *without* `telinit 1` as I only have an SSH access?
[18:06] <antiwire> it's either that or 2) network / server issues or 3) simply unstable
[18:07] <hiptobecubic> appzer0, i think the 'changes and hints' file covers that. but i don't really know. I always sit on -current
[18:08] <appzer0> I've been told that it is possible stopping most of the services but it appears it would be unwise to do so as you're telling me?
[18:08] <mancha> sounds risky, if you bork it you've no way to gain physical access its all ssh?
[18:08] <appzer0> hiptobecubic: thx, changes_and_hints tells just to telinit 1
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[18:09] <appzer0> yea I do have physical access
[18:09] <appzer0> I'd just like this to be done via SSH
[18:10] <SiegeX> i upgrade all the time without going into runlevel 1
[18:10] <SiegeX> via ssh too. granted my box is upstairs in the closet if bad stuff happens thoug
[18:10] <appzer0> SiegeX: oh, don't you disable some services to do so?
[18:10] <thrice`> you should be OK without telinit 1
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[18:12] <hiptobecubic> I can't believe my mic works
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[18:12] <hiptobecubic> I can't believe it.
[18:12] <SiegeX> noper. I follow the UPGRADE.TXT in the runlevel 3 using slapt-get to grab the packages and install them in the order it says.
[18:13] <thrice`> slackpkg doesn't drop down to runlevel 1, recall ;)
[18:14] <appzer0> ok thanks, i'm trying to blog up the sysadmin classic tasks, but on a machine that's right next to me. Goal is : everything through SSH, no X, no keyboard/screen/whatever for beginners (just as I am in server admin tasks)
[18:15] <appzer0> OK then. I'm mirroring slackware repos so it won't be difficult to upgrade packages
[18:16] <appzer0> hmm... sry for my english
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[18:16] <antiwire> seems pretty damn decent too me
[18:16] <mancha> if it is a webserver why do you want to upgrade?
[18:17] <appzer0> ok thx
[18:18] <appzer0> mancha: why not? Just to write articles about it and spread knowledge/errors not to do
[18:18] <mancha> oh, the objective is to see how to do it, i see.
[18:18] <appzer0> mancha: for example, libmcrypt and PHP :)
[18:19] <mancha> what does that mean?
[18:19] <appzer0> PHP is compiled with libmcrypt support in -current/13.0, not in 12.2
[18:20] <mancha> well recompiling PHP is easier than upgrading a distrib
[18:20] <appzer0> I agree
[18:20] <appzer0> Beginners won't
[18:20] <mancha> so thats not a sufficient justification.
[18:21] <mancha> the "i just want to see i i can do it" one carries more weight than xyz package doesn't do foo in 12.2
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[18:22] <ananke> appzer0 : keep in mind that it's hard to speculate what an upgrade from 12.2 to 13.0 will involve, since 13.0 is not finished yet
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[18:23] <appzer0> mancha: erm, ok. I didn't know the 'weight' of my reasons was so important. So your advice is: 'just don't upgrade, it's useless.'?
[18:23] <appzer0> ananke: ok thank you
[18:24] <hiptobecubic> now that it works, i can confirm that my mic sucks :(
[18:24] <mancha> app, not at all, just suggesting that upgrading makes sense if upgrading makes sense. and if you run a dedicated webserver then you might just care about upgrading we-related stuff
[18:24] <appzer0> mancha: OK I get it, then
[18:25] <mancha> app, just throwing it out there...not saying you shoudl do one thing or another...
[18:26] <appzer0> thanks again
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[18:29] <fredoslack> looooooool
[18:29] <mancha> the changelog of the .31 colonel branch looks nifty
[18:29] <thrice`> colonel.org must be down
[18:30] <ananke> not that guy again
[18:30] <ananke> worst. joke. ever.
[18:31] <juhn> damn, i don't like to work on saturday :s
[18:32] <fredoslack> ahem http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Langue/0014.gif
[18:32] <fredoslack> lol
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[18:32] <fredoslack> poor of me  :(
[18:35] <hiptobecubic> un nouveau?
[18:39] <NyteOwl> damn that cokld shower felt good!
[18:39] <fredoslack> slackboy >> [IMG]http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Fume/0055.gif[/IMG]
[18:39] <fredoslack> lol
[18:40] <fire|bird> fredoslack: nah, that looks more like you. :)
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[18:40] <fredoslack> fire|bird,  i dont understand  :(
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[18:40] <fredoslack> :(((
[18:41] <fire|bird> lol
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[18:44] <missyjane> will slackware be able to "detect" two video cards?
[18:44] <missyjane> i plan to install a second video card to maybe give it more power for gaming and/or use a second monitor
[18:46] <fire|bird> It should detect both, but you may have X issues if you don't get xorg.conf and/or anything else set up properly so it knows which card to use by default, etc.
[18:46] <fredoslack> missyjane,  >> http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/F%EAtes/0021.gif
[18:46] <fredoslack> lol
[18:47] <fire|bird> fredoslack: you have a never ending supply of those don't you? :P
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[18:50] <nachox> gaming an linux do not mix well
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[18:51] <fire|bird> hey nachox, how's it going?
[18:52] <nachox> good, about to leave to see the GF actually
[18:52] <fire|bird> cool, I'm just working to build kde 4.3, again. :P
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[19:15] <LinuxyErin> anyone here know how stable slackware current64 is?
[19:16] <quasar> its good
[19:16] <Quiznos> should be stable else why call it "current"?
[19:16] <LinuxyErin> lol
[19:17] <LinuxyErin> i tried a current release once that made me have to reformat
[19:17] <Quiznos> what did you do wrong?
[19:17] <LinuxyErin> nothing it was just not that stable
[19:17] <quasar> was it slackware?
[19:17] <Quiznos> ok, you're stil in denial. :)~
[19:17] <LinuxyErin> it was a fresh install of the current release
[19:17] <LinuxyErin> eys
[19:17] <LinuxyErin> yes
[19:18] <Quiznos> which is a river in Egypt.
[19:18] <LinuxyErin> the only thing i did wrong was try to use current :-p
[19:18] <Quiznos> yea yea, sure sure            (another exclusive macro by Quiznos)
[19:18] <LinuxyErin> i find current only works good in bits and peices
[19:18] <LinuxyErin> and by stable i dont mean ubuntu's idea of stable like current tends to be :-p
[19:18] <Quiznos> well; i've been using slackware sine 1995.
[19:19] <LinuxyErin> and that makes current more stable how?
[19:19] <quasar> LinuxyErin: -current is more stable than Ubuntu's stable releases :p
[19:19] <Quiznos> ski7705z
[19:19] <Quiznos> :>
[19:20] <LinuxyErin> lol well ok but its still not the level of stability i expect from the actual stable releases unless someone can actually confirm that it is by not giving me a half assed response :-p
[19:20] <Quiznos> what fs were you using when you lost your files?
[19:20] <LinuxyErin> i think i was using ext 3
[19:21] <thrice`> i've run -current exclusively for about 4 years, and had, I think, 2 major problems that were -current related
[19:21] <LinuxyErin> i use reiser now
[19:21] <quasar> ....
[19:21] <quasar> lol
[19:21] <quasar> nuff said
[19:21] <Quiznos> IMO reiser is even riskier.
[19:21] <LinuxyErin> i must have bad luck with currents
[19:21] <Quiznos> perhaps
[19:21] <LinuxyErin> cuz i've never had a problem with a stable release of slackware
[19:21] <LinuxyErin> and i have been using it long enough to know how to actually use it
[19:21] <Quiznos> or just a bad hd
[19:22] <LinuxyErin> no hte harddrive was fine
[19:22] <Quiznos> k
[19:22] <LinuxyErin> i still use the harddrive i tested that current on
[19:22] <quasar> or maybe it was reiserfs :)
[19:22] <LinuxyErin> it was ext3
[19:22] <LinuxyErin> man, no wonder this room is quiet all the time lol
[19:22] <Quiznos> well; for all that youve writ, i'd say wait.
[19:23] <Quiznos> we do sleep...
[19:23] <fire|bird> we do? :P
[19:23] <Quiznos> some do
[19:23] <fire|bird> lol
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[19:25] <missyjane> hey does anyone have any idea if pat himself works with linus torvald?
[19:25] <thrice`> he doesn't
[19:26] <antiwire> they drink beer together on the weekend
[19:26] <fire|bird> haha
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[19:26] <LinuxyErin> along with chuck norris
[19:27] <missyjane> antiwire, lol
[19:28] <missyjane> i was thinking he might have, i wonder what flavor linus himself prefers...
[19:28] <quasar> lfs
[19:28] <thrice`> he uses fedora
[19:28] <fire|bird> LinuxyErin: and every now and then, Chuck puts someone through a table.
[19:28] <missyjane> thrice`, serious?
[19:28] <panzer> laugh
[19:28] <antiwire> I'm sure he test on many distributions but a few mailing list posts a couple years ago mentioned Fedora
[19:28] <thrice`> yep
[19:28] <fire|bird> missyjane: yes, Fedora and Gnome
[19:29] <superGear> linus uses crappy Gnome :|
[19:29] <superGear> Linus should switch to Slackware and KDE4
[19:29] <missyjane> i dont like gnome
[19:29] <thrice`> he used kde until kde4
[19:29] <missyjane> yeah i am trying to figure out whats so good about gnome and why he isnt using slackware, the closest thing to unix
[19:30] <LinuxyErin> kde 4 is so full of fail
[19:30] <antiwire> oh no you didn't start this flame war did you?
[19:30] <thrice`> probably because he doesn't like wasting time with packages at all
[19:30] <superGear> If he wants unix why not use a BSD?!
[19:30] <LinuxyErin> kde 3 was kind of nice though
[19:30] <superGear> KDE4 isn't full of fail
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[19:30] <missyjane> i NEED my eye candy
[19:30] <LinuxyErin> kde3 had plenty of eye candy
[19:30] Action: antiwire dons the nomex
[19:30] <superGear> kde3 is fail
[19:30] <missyjane> so kde4, at least from what ive seen and used briefly = droolworthy
[19:30] <fire|bird> kde4 is awesome
[19:31] <missyjane> antiwire, start what war? nobody is arguing lol just trying to figure out what my role model is using :D
[19:31] <chopp> antiwire: had my proban already on :P
[19:31] <antiwire> lol
[19:31] <quasar> oooo that smell.. can you smell that smell?
[19:31] <superGear> i smell antiwire
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[19:31] <superGear> and it isn't a good smell
[19:31] <antiwire> No you don't because if you did you wouldn
[19:31] <antiwire> 't be alive still
[19:32] <LinuxyErin> but i think we can all agree that gnome sucks :-p
[19:32] <superGear> Gnome doesn't suck
[19:32] <antiwire> I'd use Gnome if the distribution I use had it
[19:32] <superGear> it just isn't good
[19:32] <thrice`> considering it's probably the most widely used DE, I'd guess not everyone would agree
[19:32] <superGear> Opinions are like antiwire, everybody has one
[19:33] <quasar> terminal > *DE
[19:33] <LinuxyErin> windows is the most widely used OS but it doesnt make it any good :-p
[19:33] <antiwire> but I hardly consider the DE/WM I choose as a deal breaker for a distribution. I tend to just use the default DE/WM of the distribution, regardless of which distribution or DE/WM it is.
[19:33] <superGear> Windows rules cause it's #1
[19:33] <LinuxyErin> i like my flux box
[19:33] <antiwire> Debian defaults to Gnome so when I install Debian I use Gnome
[19:34] <superGear> antiwire is a Ubuntuer
[19:34] <superGear> an
[19:34] <superGear> ;;
[19:34] <LinuxyErin> lol
[19:34] <Dominian> thumbs: ping
[19:34] <superGear> Dominian: pong
[19:35] Action: Dominian slaps superGear
[19:35] <Dominian> :P
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[19:35] <antiwire> It's ironic how people will flame other distributions though. Slackware has Debian patches and concepts in direct use.
[19:35] <antiwire> Most distributions borrow from others
[19:35] <superGear> didn't diss Debian
[19:36] <superGear> unless Ubuntu == Debian
[19:36] <superGear> and vice versa
[19:36] <thrice`> I find it funny when people talk shit about ubuntu too
[19:36] <missyjane> http://www.kde.org/download/#v4.3 hm
[19:36] <antiwire> superGear:  And I also didn't say you "dissed" Debian
[19:36] <missyjane> is it possible to uh, install kde4 to /home/missyjanee?
[19:36] <antiwire> I didn't even mention your name
[19:36] <superGear> Ubuntu is ok just not my cup of tea
[19:36] <missyjane> instead of global? i dont want other users, not even root to use 4
[19:36] <thrice`> missyjane: no, you are not capable of it
[19:36] <superGear> missyjane: why?
[19:37] <fire|bird> missyjane: no, don't even try it. :P
[19:37] <fire|bird> thrice`: How's 4.3 going for you? I'm actually just rebuilding it here. :P
[19:37] <missyjane> thrice`, T.T
[19:37] <thrice`> fire|bird: removed :)
[19:37] <missyjane> actually im not worried about that
[19:37] <missyjane> hold on
[19:37] <fire|bird> thrice`: haha, how come?
[19:37] <antiwire> I think you're confusing RL4 with something else
[19:38] <antiwire> users can't enter RL4 in the first place...
[19:38] <thrice`> fire|bird: I really don't like kde4 at all.  Though, I try every major release they have out of fairness :>
[19:38] <fire|bird> thrice`: fair enough, back to xfce then?
[19:38] <thrice`> yep
[19:38] <superGear> windows
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[19:38] <missyjane> does anyone here use fluxbox?
[19:38] <fire|bird> missyjane: yeah
[19:38] <thrice`> fire|bird: it was probably the best one yet, though
[19:39] <isBEKaml> missyjane: here.. :)
[19:39] <LinuxyErin> i just said i did
[19:39] <fire|bird> thrice`: I'm actually on xfce right now to build 4.3 :)
[19:39] <LinuxyErin> i stopped using xfce after 4.6 came out
[19:39] <thrice`> but, for example, the multiple-monitor thing is still broken.
[19:39] <fire|bird> thrice`: xfce is a very nice alternative and imo fits nicely between a *box and a KDE.
[19:39] <missyjane> woot yay
[19:39] <LinuxyErin> the whole not having a menu editor was just too annoying to me lol
[19:39] <missyjane> theres a menu editor in kde
[19:39] <superGear> xfce
[19:39] <thrice`> fire|bird: yep, and I think thunar is the best file manager on linux :)
[19:40] <dive> evening
[19:40] <fire|bird> thrice`: it'd be even better if it'd add tabs like pcmanfm :)
[19:40] <superGear> Dolphin
[19:40] <fire|bird> evening dive
[19:40] <LinuxyErin> you should try pcmanfm thrice
[19:40] <LinuxyErin> its like thunar but has a ton more features
[19:40] <superGear> mc!
[19:40] <thrice`> dolphin is slooow, and takes up so much un-needed space on your screen
[19:40] <LinuxyErin> lol
[19:40] <dive> I found pcmanfm had some problems showing cd/dvd
[19:41] <LinuxyErin> i never had that problem
[19:41] <dive> fine in thunar though
[19:41] <LinuxyErin> when did you try pcmanfm?
[19:41] <fire|bird> dive: really, I've never had that issue.
[19:41] <LinuxyErin> they might havef improved it since then
[19:41] <dive> a used it for a few weeks until last week
[19:41] <LinuxyErin> oh lol
[19:41] <LinuxyErin> dunno then
[19:41] <missyjane> do you guys only use default icon themes?
[19:41] <LinuxyErin> is it an ide or sata cd drive?
[19:41] <dive> ide
[19:42] <LinuxyErin> hm
[19:42] <thrice`> I use xfce + gnome-colors missyjane
[19:42] <LinuxyErin> maybe its an issue with ide lol i dont have any problem for sata
[19:42] <missyjane> ooh
[19:42] <fire|bird> thrice`: gnome-colors?!?!? :P
[19:42] <antiwire> I use defaults because if I go changing everything up it makes it difficult to help users with default settings
[19:42] <dive> yeah I dunno it used to work, and then one disk I put in didn't show
[19:42] <LinuxyErin> i use erectus-green
[19:42] <LinuxyErin> for my gtk apps
[19:42] <thrice`> fire|bird: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/GNOME-colors?content=82562   no gnome required :>
[19:43] <missyjane> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Crystal+Project?content=60475
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[19:43] <fire|bird> thrice`: Well dang, those are really nice looking.
[19:43] <antiwire> dive: I'm rebuilding all of the new version packages on a clean VM and then I'm going to install those clean packages on my system so we can test again
[19:44] <fire|bird> thrice`: thanks, they'll look nice here in xfce. :)
[19:44] <dive> antiwire, ok
[19:44] <thrice`> fire|bird: http://slackadelic.com/~thrice/gnome-colors/  if you're interested :)
[19:44] <fire|bird> thrice`: \o/, thank you.
[19:45] <thrice`> sure :)  by default, it'll install ALL of the colors (a pretty big package).  I changed it to an array, so you can only install 1 or 2 if you want
[19:45] <antiwire> actually, I'll just use the damn VM to test
[19:45] <fire|bird> cool, I shall install now. I'll probably try the red or blue. :P
[19:46] <antiwire> that will eliminate any possible contamination of libs
[19:46] <fire|bird> thrice`: that reminds me now, ever checked out on opendesktop.org, shiki-colors? This icon set goes great with those themes.
[19:46] <BP{k}> evening.
[19:47] <antiwire> hey BP{k}
[19:47] <dive> vning
[19:47] <fire|bird> howdy BP{k}
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[19:47] <fire|bird> thrice`: http://www.opendesktop.org/content/show.php/Shiki-Colors+for+xfwm?content=88913
[19:48] <thrice`> fire|bird: not bad :)
[19:48] Action: BP{k} has found the stash of gin \o/
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[19:48] <fire|bird> thrice`: I had forgotten that set until you mentioned those icons. I used shiki-colors + gnome-colors when I used Debian.
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[19:49] <fire|bird> thrice`: There's also gdm themes, wallpaper, etc. to go with it, I had my whole system themed with those. :P
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[19:50] <hitest> antiwire: Debian defaults to Gnome if you choose desktop when you're running tasksel.  I prefer to choose a standard system when installing Debian using the netinstall iso.  Then your system boots-up to a shell prompt and you can install kde or whatever.
[19:50] <fire|bird> BP{k}: How's it going?
[19:51] <fire|bird> heya hitest, how are you?
[19:51] <hitest> hi fire|bird:)
[19:51] <hitest> I am well, ty
[19:51] <BP{k}> fire|bird: not bad. working through my dad's booze collection. (already finished the ouzo). One more day here, going to see my little sis tomorrow, and flying back monday. :)
[19:52] <fire|bird> BP{k}: cool, sounds like you've had a great time. You're not drinking the entire collection, are you? :P You wouldn't be allowed on the plane.
[19:52] <BP{k}> fire|bird: uhm .. I think if I drank the entire collection, I probably die ;)
[19:52] Action: Zordrak has insane family.. its past midnight and pretty nippy out, but we all decided to go jump in the huge paddling pool
[19:52] <fire|bird> BP{k}: Well, we don't want that, so take it easy. :)
[19:53] <fire|bird> Zordrak: and how'd that go?
[19:53] Action: NyteOwl wished it was nippy out
[19:53] <Zordrak> cold
[19:53] <fire|bird> haha
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[19:53] <Zordrak> which was nice cos its hot inside...
[19:53] <BP{k}> fire|bird: lets see the wine rack next to me hold 40 bottle of wine ... there is at least that in the cellar, + beer + the spirits to the right of me ;)
[19:53] <Zordrak> but it made me even warmeronce id dried
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[19:53] <antiwire> woow  2819 apsides   20   0  856m 567m 6356 D  161 28.0  13:26.51 qemu-system-x86
[19:54] <Zordrak> i guess its not really nippy out.. but the water is FREEZING
[19:54] <antiwire> 161% baby
[19:54] <NyteOwl> freezing?
[19:54] <fire|bird> BP{k}: wow, that's quite a collection.
[19:54] Action: NyteOwl has one can of beer left in the fridge :(
[19:54] <Zordrak> well.. single digits celsius
[19:55] <NyteOwl> nice!
[19:55] <Zordrak> now in my missus' auntie's bed trying to sleep and failing
[19:55] <NyteOwl> it's about 8:50 pm here and stilla bout 27C/humidex 31C
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[19:56] <Zordrak> gonna put jay and ilent bob strike back on cause its on bbc1 in 5 mins
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[19:56] <Zordrak> should help me sleep cause i know it really well
[19:56] Nick change: AnonymousRednek -> nyRednek
[19:57] <BP{k}> Zordrak: just open a bottle of gin ;)
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[19:57] <Zordrak> wouldnt go to well with the several bottles of cider ive had :)
[19:58] <Zordrak> *too
[19:59] <Zordrak> im really tired... but not the kind of tired where you can easily just fall asleep
[19:59] <NyteOwl> Make a bowl of smoking bishop
[19:59] <Zordrak> or a Holy Bartender...............
[20:00] <missyjane> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Ultra+pack+-+220+color+schemes?content=72811 wow...
[20:00] <NyteOwl> heh
[20:00] <NyteOwl> Dogma was on night before last
[20:00] <NyteOwl> bbiab
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[20:00] <fire|bird> 220 schemes? good grief
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[20:01] <Zordrak> kk..its starting now.. night peeps.. need to be up in time to drive home and cathc the f1gp
[20:01] <fire|bird> night Zordrak
[20:01] <missyjane> ok im too tired to stay up, good night
[20:02] <fire|bird> night missyjane
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[20:04] <nyRednek> here's something funny... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp0IxI_Ct4o&feature=sub
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[20:19] <Pig_Pen> nyRednek: lol! thats good :D
[20:19] <acidchild> if i run VNC client on a slow crappy machine off a much faster machine with a graphics card in it.
[20:19] <acidchild> will videos play okey over the vnc?
[20:20] <acidchild> 1000mbit link between the two boxs but... only 1Gb of RAM and 800mhz CPU
[20:20] <acidchild> with a nasty nasty VIA gfx onboard card ;/
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[20:20] <SuN> As far as I know, VNC doesn't do smarty things like HW (or any) accelleration.
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[20:20] <SuN> -l
[20:20] <acidchild> yeah... just even youtube etc are slow as shitt.
[20:21] <ananke> don't do vnc for that. use NX
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[20:22] <gnubien> acidchild: a via unichrome video card?
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[20:26] <nyRednek> Pig_Pen, "did you eat the mckenzie's dog?" "maybe" "and their little boy?" "maybe"
[20:26] <Pig_Pen> no
[20:26] <nyRednek> Pig_Pen, from the video
[20:28] <Quiznos> what's the approve name for menuconfig of a AMD Sempron LE-1250?
[20:28] <thrice`> k8 ?
[20:28] <Pig_Pen> that game, two truths and one lie was my favorite part
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[20:29] <Quiznos> not listed; k6[-II]?[i]? athlon, duron or k7
[20:29] <Quiznos> 24,5 tree
[20:29] <Quiznos> 24.5
[20:30] <Pig_Pen> jeffrey is pretty good too
[20:32] <Pig_Pen> ah, i just watched it again, that is a line in the jeffrey part
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[20:39] <rg3> Quiznos: i have a sempron too, 32 bit and i use the option Opteron/Athlon64/Hammer/K8
[20:40] <quasar> same here
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[20:43] <acidchild> gnubien: the horrible ones that come on the EPIA-NL boards.
[20:43] <quasar> ... cheap trick, poison and def leppard are here tonight and I didn't even knwo it until about 30 seconds ago :(
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[20:45] <dive> quasar, save your eardrums
[20:45] <gnubien> acidchild: lspci will give you that info
[20:45] <antiwire> Is there a cli only tool to test microphones?
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[20:46] <gnubien> antiwire: yea
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[20:46] <gnubien> antiwire run this command and talk into the mic and watch the volume meter in the terminal for movement, report problems: arecord -f cd -vv /dev/null
[20:46] <acidchild> gnubien: i know?
[20:46] <gnubien> acidchild: i knew you did :)
[20:47] <dive> antiwire, as soon as I switch on mic in alsamixer I hear it through speakers
[20:47] <antiwire> gnubien: hmm, I don't get a volume meter
[20:47] <antiwire> dive: That doesn't happen for me even thought the MIC works fine
[20:47] <antiwire> I'm just making sure my MIC works in a VM
[20:48] <antiwire> I have mp3 playback but I can't figure out how to test the MIC in CLI
[20:48] <gnubien> antiwire: more than 1 sound card listed by this command? cat /proc/asound cards
[20:48] <antiwire> yep
[20:48] <Quiznos> rg3 yes, tyvm; i just found those keywords via lspci output.
[20:48] <antiwire> Maybe I can start the VM with just one sound card.
[20:48] <gnubien> antiwire what kind of mic? internal,external,usb,bluetooth,headset?
[20:49] <antiwire> built in laptop
[20:49] <gnubien> does this command list the laptop mic? cat /proc/asound cards
[20:49] <Quiznos> rg3 have you learned yet what those names mean in rel to Intel?
[20:50] <gnubien> antiwire: cat /proc/asound/cards
[20:50] <antiwire> gnubien: I can start the VM with just one sound card supported which would probably fix it
[20:50] <antiwire> gnubien: catting that shows both cards
[20:51] <rg3> Quiznos: which names?
[20:51] <gnubien> antiwire: card 0 or card 1 from cat /proc/asound/cards is the laptop mic?
[20:51] <Quiznos> for our cpu
[20:52] <antiwire> gnubien: I have no way to tell. I configured card0 with alsaconf though
[20:52] <rg3> Quiznos: you mean the words "opteron" and "athlon64" and such?
[20:52] <Quiznos> yes
[20:52] <gnubien> antiwire: read this? http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Record_from_mic
[20:53] <Quiznos> rg3 what's the diff tween ours and Intel cpus?
[20:54] <rg3> Quiznos: no idea, but our hardware supports the 32 bits intel architecture (ia-32), so it's basically a question of which performs better
[20:54] <Quiznos> ty
[20:54] <rg3> Quiznos: not taking into account instruction sets which may be only available for amd processors, but i don't know which ones those are
[20:54] <Quiznos> sure
[20:55] <rg3> maybe the "3dnow" instructions, if intel doesn't have them
[20:55] <acidchild> »  POS Solutions <-- Via Website
[20:55] <acidchild> i wonder what POS stands for? :P
[20:55] <dive> antiwire, did your mic register on the volume metre in pidgin?
[20:55] <Quiznos> rg3 google "difference between amd sempron and intel"; the anchor to au.yahoo is interesting
[20:55] <antiwire> dive: well in the real system it does
[20:56] <dive> same here
[20:56] <antiwire> I need to wait for a compile in the VM to finish and then I can shutdown the VM and enable only 1 sound source
[20:56] <dive> antiwire, I heard you typing by the way
[20:56] <antiwire> lol
[20:56] <antiwire> like a maniac probably
[20:57] <dive> yep
[20:57] <dive> so I'm thinking the problem isn't our mics
[20:57] <dive> maybe codec
[20:57] <antiwire> yeah
[20:57] <antiwire> same here
[20:57] <dive> or for some reason not connecting
[20:57] <antiwire> my current MIC issue only VM related
[20:57] <Quiznos> rg3 i just read that our cpu is basically `Celery class'
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[20:58] <Quiznos> rg3 Turion is better performer
[20:58] <rg3> Quiznos: turion processors are 64-bit, afaik
[20:58] <Quiznos> ok
[20:59] <Quiznos> of course, more study needed
[20:59] <dive> antiwire, I'm wondering about port forwarding. I had to set some ports in my router to be able to file transfer via xmmp.
[21:00] <antiwire> Yeah I'm confused myself. After it didn't work with you can agentc0re it worked fine with hipo
[21:01] <antiwire> and I still get a nasty echo of myself
[21:01] <antiwire> but skype doesn't echo
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[21:02] <anka-ar> gof
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[21:02] <anka-ar> god
[21:02] <anka-ar> ok
[21:02] <anka-ar> hi o/
[21:02] <mctpyt> hello
[21:02] <anka-ar> we are editing the tags in the slackware iso tagfile
[21:02] <anka-ar> and the question is..
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[21:03] <anka-ar> does somebody know why glibc has REC instead of ADD?
[21:04] <antiwire> dive: Do you get anything when you run: gst-inspect nice
[21:04] <Quiznos> bc slackware lives in a single-lib'd universe
[21:05] <dive> yep some lines of data
[21:05] <antiwire> good
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[21:05] <Quiznos> anka-ar do what you want
[21:06] <sahko> anka-ar: slackware already has a/glibc-solibs which already provides the "crucial" parts of glibc. maybe thats why
[21:06] <Quiznos> anka-ar "why", you ask? bc Pat isnt Bill; and Slackware isnt Microsoft.
[21:06] <Quiznos> that's why
[21:07] <anka-ar> and wth has to do M$ with my question?
[21:07] <Quiznos> anka-ar just expanding my answer a wee bit
[21:07] <Quiznos> exercising my smart-ass'id ness
[21:07] <Quiznos> :)
[21:07] <anka-ar> :)
[21:07] <Quiznos> heh
[21:08] <bhodgins> Heh
[21:08] <Quiznos> tu tuvm for noticing
[21:08] <anka-ar> ok
[21:08] <Quiznos> tu/ty
[21:08] <anka-ar> so glib-solib has the crucial parts
[21:08] <Quiznos> anka-ar you can do what you want to your box and sw
[21:08] <Quiznos> just recompile everything.
[21:08] <Quiznos> using the lib of your choice
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[21:14] <mctpyt> I'm editing the tagfiles with anka-ar... we just want to know why glibc has that tag for editing it properly, we are not in favor nor opposed
[21:14] <edman007> has anyone tried converting a slamd64 install in to a slackware64 install?
[21:15] <edman007> for i'm going to try...
[21:16] <sahko> Dominian has done this http://slackadelic.com/2009/05/27/slamd64-to-slackware64-upgrade/
[21:16] <edman007> ahh, thank you
[21:17] <dive> antiwire, scroll down to 5222. there are a few ports might be worth opening: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers#Registered_ports:_1024.E2.80.9349151
[21:17] <edman007> well here i go :)
[21:17] <Quiznos> mctpyt glibc is required by every tool made by the gnu toolchain
[21:18] <antiwire> dive: in the VM on a clean setup gst-inspect won't detect libnice at all
[21:18] <antiwire> i even rebuilt gstreamer after installing all the plugins too
[21:18] <dive> weird
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[21:19] <dive> wonder what could cause that?
[21:19] <antiwire> I'm going to keep gstreamer installed and rebuild libnice
[21:20] <antiwire> Maybe nice needs gstreamer to be installed while it builds. I have removed everything and started building and installing with libnice
[21:20] <antiwire> have/had
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[21:20] <dive> maybe
[21:20] <edman007> anyone have a list of rsync urls for slackware?
[21:21] <edman007> i thought alienBOB had one, but i can't find it :(
[21:21] <dive> i know that libnice should be before farsight. Not sure about the others.
[21:21] <dive> sec
[21:21] <thrice`> edman007: ftp.osuosl.org::slackware64-current/    that's all you need ;)
[21:21] <Quiznos> edman007 in the mirrors list
[21:22] <thrice`> er, wait, I think that's bad
[21:22] <gm152> rsync://carroll.cac.psu.edu
[21:22] <thrice`> slackware.mirrors.tds.net::slackware   try that
[21:22] <edman007> Quiznos, the offical mirrors list is http/ftp only, though many do rsync
[21:22] <antiwire> dive: oh crap that was it...
[21:22] <Quiznos> ty
[21:22] <dive> antiwire, ldd /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstnice.so it _does_ seem to depend on gstreamer so yeah it would make sense to install gstreamer forst
[21:22] <antiwire> libnice needs to be done after gstreamer
[21:23] <dive> ok gonna do that here
[21:23] <antiwire> agentc0re: libnice needs to be built AFTER gstreamer
[21:23] <Quiznos> no easy/quik rsync list found
[21:24] <mctpyt> well, thank you Quiznos and sahko
[21:24] <mctpyt> bye
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[21:24] <Quiznos> yw
[21:24] <thrice`> edman007: http://alphageek.dyndns.org/linux/slackware-mirrors.shtml
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[21:26] <edman007> thrice`, thats the page i was looking for...
[21:27] <Quiznos> thrice` stealing a copy of that page
[21:27] <TwinReverb> how do you steal what isn't secured?  8-P
[21:28] <edman007> TwinReverb, negligence is no excuse
[21:28] <antiwire> I still can't figure out how to make this MIC work in the VM. I can play mp3s in the VM but arecord won't show MIC volume at all
[21:28] <Quiznos> TwinReverb lacking permission.
[21:28] <Quiznos> edman007 ty
[21:28] <thrice`> it's not mine :)
[21:28] <antiwire> I've tried turning up everything in alsamixer too
[21:28] <Thom1> hi
[21:28] <Quiznos> Thom1 hi
[21:28] Action: TwinReverb thinks maybe next time he will use <sarcasm></sarcasm> tags
[21:28] <edman007> antiwire, did you remember to tab to the input section?
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[21:29] <antiwire> edman007: yeah i tabbed to all
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[21:29] <edman007> took me a long time to figure that out when setting up my mic, lol
[21:29] <edman007> my audio has a mic on the output...
[21:29] <Quiznos> antiwire i suggest chmod 444 on the alsa datafile to prevent rewriting by unknown rogues
[21:30] <Quiznos> over here, unknowns were rwriting my file
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[21:30] <edman007> Quiznos, i'm hoping that upgrading my kernel fixes my issues with alsactl store not working :)
[21:31] <Quiznos> edman007 isnt that just a echo|cat to a etc/alsa file?
[21:31] <antiwire> well arecord doesn't work in on the real system either but I can use my MIC fine there
[21:32] <edman007> Quiznos, on my system i can do `alsactl store` and then `alsactl restore` and the values won't go back to what they were at during the store
[21:33] <Quiznos> k..
[21:33] <edman007> its been happening for 6 months or so... L(
[21:33] <Quiznos> edman007 those write to etc/asound.*?
[21:34] <edman007> yes
[21:34] <edman007> the issue is that it seems to save as the wrong id, because the restore step sees stuff it does not understand
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[21:38] <Quiznos> edman007 (the silly questions) can you still write to etc? to file? (no acl flags?)
[21:38] <gnubien> antiwire need more info; run this command and paste the url the script prints to this channel: wget -O alsa-info.sh  http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && bash ./alsa-info.sh
[21:39] <Quiznos> edman007 your curr version? mine 1.0.15
[21:41] <Quiznos> bo0?
[21:42] <edman007> 1.0.17
[21:42] <Quiznos> k, and?
[21:42] Action: edman007 is busy configuring a kernel...
[21:42] <Quiznos> i do that for fun now
[21:42] <edman007> Quiznos, and alsactl can write to the file just fine
[21:42] <Quiznos> kk
[21:44] <gnubien> edman007: sometimes the file alsactl creates gets corrupted so: mv /etc/asound.conf /etc/asound.conf.bak
[21:44] <gnubien> edman007: then as root run this: alsactl store
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[21:45] <gnubien> edman007: then as root run this and look for errors: alsactl restore
[21:45] <antiwire> well I don't know wtf changed but it started working out of nowhere...
[21:45] <gnubien> antiwire: magic
[21:45] <antiwire> that's almost worse than it not working still ;)
[21:47] <RipVanWinkle> i have a confession antiwire, i hacked in to your PC and fixed it
[21:47] <antiwire> Rebuilding pidgin in the VM now
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[21:51] <dive> antiwire, I've done libnice, farsight and pidgin
[21:51] <antiwire> k
[21:51] <dive> what was that command again?
[21:51] <antiwire> gst-inspect nice
[21:52] <antiwire> lets try a quick test on my tainted system first
[21:52] <antiwire> my vm is still building
[21:52] <dive> ok
[21:53] <edman007> gnubien, nah, its not that, i verified it and saw it throw errors and not work on a file i saved seconds before
[21:56] <gnubien> edman007: problem started suddenly?
[21:58] <edman007> at a kernel upgrade a while ago IIRC
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[22:02] <fire|bird> thrice`: http://imagebin.org/60685
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[22:02] <antiwire> I opened up those 5 ports
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[22:02] <bhodgins> Hey
[22:03] <bhodgins> Someone know much abnout logging into the serial port? I'm trying to manage a network switch, I got terminal data from it using Cat
[22:03] <bhodgins> but I'm trying to figure out how to connect to it using xterm or whatever
[22:03] <antiwire> use minicom
[22:03] <Dominian> you need something like cu or minicom
[22:03] <bhodgins> even in the console that'd be fine
[22:03] <bhodgins> hmm
[22:03] <Dominian> and minicom comes iwth slackwre
[22:03] <antiwire> minicom -s
[22:03] <antiwire> joo can doo it
[22:04] <bhodgins> oo
[22:04] <bhodgins> I dont have to get it
[22:04] <bhodgins> wow this looks so cool! thanks!
[22:04] <thrice`> fire|bird: not bad :)
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[22:04] <edman007> bhodgins, screen /dev/ttyS0 9600
[22:05] <edman007> much easier than minicom
[22:05] <bhodgins> WOah
[22:05] <fire|bird> thrice`: That's gnome-colors, shiki-colors, and arc colors wallpaper. :)
[22:05] <Dominian> edman007: wait.. you can do that with screen?
[22:05] <edman007> bhodgins, yes
[22:05] Action: Dominian dies
[22:06] <fire|bird> edman007: revive Dominian
[22:06] Action: edman007 kicks Dominian 
[22:06] <thrice`> fire|bird: makes for a nice desktop :)
[22:06] <edman007> wake up
[22:06] <Dominian> er.. sorry
[22:06] <Dominian> That's cool.. didn't know you could do that with screen
[22:06] <bhodgins> its working! thanks
[22:06] <fire|bird> thrice`: yeah, it does. I'm liking it, I may make a few adjustments, but it's nice.
[22:06] <edman007> Dominian, i can use serial to edit my bios, use lilo, boot my system, and log into my system, and i have done it all
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[22:06] <Dominian> hrm
[22:06] <Dominian> edit your bios?
[22:07] <Dominian> how the hell did you accomplish that?
[22:07] <edman007> server board, they do it
[22:07] <Dominian> eh?
[22:07] <Dominian> damn
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[22:07] <Dominian> I'd love to be able to access my bios from within linux at home hehe
[22:07] <gnubien> edman007: upgrade your alsa-lib and alsa-utils to the same package version as your alsa-drivers version: cat /proc/asound/version
[22:07] <edman007> yup, it can be accessed over serial
[22:07] <Dominian> nice
[22:07] <edman007> i'm upgrading to slackware64
[22:07] <fire|bird> thrice`: I tried starting conky, but it took away my desktop icons, but if I moved the mouse over where the icons were, the icon itself showed up, but not the text, and just while I was over the icon. :P
[22:07] <edman007> lemme just get the kernel built first
[22:08] <hitest> good night all
[22:08] <edman007> ..and then recompile xchat, pidgin, and firefox
[22:08] <fire|bird> night hitest
[22:08] <hitest> night fire|bird
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[22:08] <thrice`> fire|bird: the only thing I really like for kde is the kwin stuff.  I really hate the apps :(  though, the kwin almost makes me switch by itself
[22:09] <fire|bird> thrice`: what is it about the apps you hate? All of the apps?
[22:09] <thrice`> well, the 3 main apps I use are for console, web browsing, and instant-messaging.  on kde, I dislike konq., konsole, and kopete.  so, :)
[22:10] <antiwire> dive left!
[22:10] <antiwire> DAMN IT
[22:10] <antiwire> I'm almost read to test again
[22:10] <antiwire> ready*
[22:10] <fire|bird> thrice`: haha, well, you could use urxvt, firefox, and pidgin. :P
[22:11] <fire|bird> thrice`: I've been using Konqueror for browsing quite a bit lately and honestly, I am impressed with it.
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[22:12] <fire|bird> antiwire: and there he is
[22:12] <antiwire> dive: I enabled all those ports
[22:13] <dive> antiwire, ok
[22:13] <antiwire> here comes a test
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[22:14] <antiwire> nothing
[22:14] <dive> just had a weird thing - spamassassin going bonkers using up cpu, and all mem taken, disk thrashing
[22:14] <dive> had to reboot
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[22:14] <antiwire> dang
[22:14] <dive> i could hear you
[22:14] <dive> lots of bg noise though
[22:14] <bhodgins> wow these terminals are awesome
[22:15] <antiwire> I couldn't hear you at all and the vol meter for you wan't moving
[22:15] <antiwire> wasn't
[22:15] <bhodgins> I csn get a null modem adapter (cant find mine) and log into my servers easier now
[22:15] <dive> maybe a slider in alsamixer. Turn them all up.
[22:16] <dive> even aux and all that
[22:16] <dive> and turn off mic boost if it's on, all I could hear was screaching
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[22:17] <antiwire> I can't hear you at all, not even pops
[22:17] <dive> hmm
[22:18] <dive> my meter shows volume
[22:18] <antiwire> same here, I can see my vol move but nothing for you
[22:18] <dive> let me try
[22:19] <quasar> Quiznos: made it through exercise 1-17, bout to start 1-18 \o/
[22:19] <dive> antiwire, ok that time I couldn't hear you
[22:19] <antiwire> man this is going to drive me crazy
[22:19] <Quiznos> quasar good
[22:20] <twolf> quasar: K&R C book?
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[22:20] Action: quasar nods
[22:20] <twolf> that is fun stuff
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[22:22] <quasar> twolf: my pipe has been lit more today than it has any other full day in the past year... and I have little tufts of hair on various places around my chair... good times indeed :)
[22:22] <edman007> replacing every package in my system takes a long time...
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[22:35] <kitche> whoops forgot to install openoffice
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[22:45] <fredoslack> :)
[22:46] <kitche> and system is being slow due to my VM being up
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[23:03] <dive> I think there must be a spamfest going on or something. spammassassin was freaking out so I logged into my webmail to find 322 spam messages lined up to dl
[23:04] <dive> or perhaps server was playing up again.
[23:04] <Dominian> sounds like your server sucks
[23:04] Action: Dominian ducks
[23:05] <dive> .
[23:05] <dive> sposed to be greylisting
[23:05] <Dominian> :)
[23:05] <Dominian> Well, just imho, greylisting is starting to fail at the job it was designed for originally
[23:05] <Dominian> I've discontinued greylisting on my mail server
[23:07] <|alisonken1churc> yo dominian
[23:07] <Dominian> sup |alisonken1churc
[23:07] Action: nix_chix0r sneaks around
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[23:07] <alisonken1church> me - have the watch tonight till 6am
[23:07] <Dominian> ahhh
[23:08] <Dominian> normally scheduled hours?
[23:08] <Dominian> or filling in?
[23:08] Action: toastytoast is wondering if there is a way to install slackware on his baystack 303 switch
[23:08] <alisonken1church> nope - normal weekend watch as scheduled once a month
[23:08] <toastytoast> or atleast some sort of linux
[23:08] <Dominian> toastytoast: I hightly doubt it
[23:08] <toastytoast> :(
[23:09] <toastytoast> well if i really wanted to i'm sure i coiuld take like half a year maybe less maybe more to design my own linux for it
[23:09] <Dominian> and it would be a waste of time imo
[23:09] <Dominian> :)
[23:09] <ananke> toastytoast : just because it uses electricity and has a few gates, does not mean one should be even remotely interested in installing linux on it
[23:09] <Dominian> evening ananke
[23:10] <Dominian> how's your weekend going so far?
[23:10] <ananke> not bad. baking cookies and trying to find a tool to rename some movie files
[23:10] <toastytoast> oh but it does
[23:10] <Dominian> ananke: sounds like fun
[23:10] <Dominian> :)
[23:10] <thrice`> mv(1_
[23:10] <toastytoast> like installing linux on a kerosene powerd cheesegrater
[23:10] <ananke> thrice` : yeah. no.
[23:10] <nix_chix0r> got new speakers for the tv they are bumpin
[23:10] <thrice`> :(
[23:11] <toastytoast> any way i do eventully wanna put ddwertys on my linksys router
[23:11] <thrice`> ananke: going disc -> harddrive, you mean ?
[23:11] <toastytoast> altho i hear if you mess it up your router is screwed
[23:11] <dive> nix_chix0r, stop sneaking around at the back ;-)
[23:11] <nix_chix0r> what can't handle the sneakiness
[23:12] <hiptobecubic> Has anyone built a crosscompiler on x86 for x86_64?
[23:12] <hiptobecubic> Anyone here, i mean
[23:12] <Dominian> hiptobecubic: fred has
[23:12] <dive> :-)
[23:12] <hiptobecubic> Dominian, who's fred?
[23:12] <ananke> thrice` : nope. i got a slew of movies that i ripped in the past. they're named 'moviename.avi'. well, a lot of them happen to be original ones, and imdb scrapers think they're the remakes. i need to add movie years to those filenames
[23:12] <Dominian> hiptobecubic: er.. the guy who developed/maintains slamd64 :)
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[23:14] <hiptobecubic> Dominian, makes sense. I'm trying to figure out how use my x86 boxes with my x86_64 laptop + distcc
[23:14] <hiptobecubic> It should be possible, no?
[23:15] <Dominian> hrm
[23:15] <ananke> hiptobecubic : i think icecream can do it
[23:15] <hiptobecubic> I haven't used icecream
[23:16] <ananke> http://en.opensuse.org/Icecream#Cross-Compiling_using_icecream
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[23:16] <Dominian> hehe
[23:16] <Dominian> leave it to opensuse to have a wiki article on it
[23:17] <thrice`> http://dev.gentoo.org/~bluebird/icecream.xml?style=printable   :>
[23:17] <thrice`> suse users can't compile, obviously
[23:17] <mancha> rigth said fred
[23:18] <ananke> opensuse would have an article, since suse created that tool :)
[23:18] <Dominian> thrice`: I don't compile on opensuse.. I let zypper do all the work :P
[23:18] <thrice`> ice-cream is a neat app
[23:19] <thrice`> Dominian: does zypper remove deps of an app?
[23:19] <Dominian> good question
[23:19] <Dominian> ananke: ?
[23:19] <thrice`> like, if app1 pulls in app2 and app3, and I use zypper to remove app1, will it kill app2 and 3 too ?
[23:19] <Dominian> ananke would probably know more than I.  I never worry about it.
[23:19] <ananke> the main thing i like about icecream is the ease of use. setting up a distributed compiler environment on multiple machines is a breeze
[23:19] <ananke> thrice` : no, it won't
[23:19] <thrice`> yikes, that's painful
[23:19] <Dominian> then again I don't know of one that does...
[23:19] <ananke> thrice` : it's not. it's very normal
[23:20] <thrice`> Dominian: arch, gentoo, yum, apt
[23:20] <ananke> debian world is the only one that does provides such functionality
[23:20] <thrice`> mm, disagree
[23:20] <nix_chix0r> dive, beep beep!
[23:20] <ananke> which other distros have that? besides some niche ones
[23:21] <quasar> you're a jeep? o.O
[23:21] <Dominian> thrice`: I've not seen fedora do that
[23:21] Action: ananke doesn't count arch-like distros in this
[23:21] <Dominian> at least not till the next release.
[23:21] <thrice`> ananke: gentoo, arch, fedora (and any yum-based), apt-based
[23:21] <ananke> fedora doesn't do it. and arch falls under my niche category
[23:21] <ananke> apt-based == debian world
[23:22] <ananke> yum does not have that functionality, yet
[23:22] <thrice`> yes it does, through yum-utils, I think
[23:22] <ede_> can someone help me! I doubt permission in samba!
[23:22] <dive> nix_chix0r, you little beeper!
[23:23] <hiptobecubic> it seems like icecream is just distcc... but easier and with more features?
[23:23] <ananke> yum-utils is not something one can find on a normal install. it's not part of the core yum tool
[23:23] <nix_chix0r> beep mcgee
[23:23] <ananke> hiptobecubic : yes, that's the idea :)
[23:23] <thrice`> ananke: "package-cleanup" is the name
[23:23] <thrice`> ananke: on f11, I think it is
[23:24] <thrice`> well, depends how you install, I suppose
[23:25] <hiptobecubic> Does it have distcc's neat dynamic path thing? Where you symlink /usr/local/bin/gcc (or wherever) to /usr/bin/distccd, making distcc transparent from a user perspective?
[23:25] <thrice`> anyway, most distros seem to have such a feature these days
[23:25] <ananke> thrice` : fedora11 and apt-based are not 'most'
[23:25] <thrice`> what's the point of dependency handling, if it lacks these features ?
[23:25] <ede_> can someone help me! I doubt permission in samba!
[23:25] <ede_> to install a program ... 777 chmod 755 it will now he's not working, it is divided by the first modules but the second is not what to do
[23:25] <ananke> because removing extra packages is not considered essential to qualify as a dependency handling
[23:25] <thrice`> ananke: which do not fall under that catagory, outside of zypper based, and lack it?
[23:26] <ananke> thrice` : mandriva, centos, rhel, suse just to name a few
[23:26] <ananke> slackware for that matter
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[23:26] <hiptobecubic> What are we discussing?
[23:26] <thrice`> slackware doesn't count
[23:26] <thrice`> as it doesn't strive to manage dependencies at all
[23:27] <Thom1> ll
[23:27] <ananke> hiptobecubic : which distros provide you with tools to automatically remove packages that were pulled as deps
[23:27] <hiptobecubic> ah
[23:27] <nix_chix0r> ehehe
[23:27] <hiptobecubic> My only other linexperience is with uboobtu, which has apt-get auto-remove.. or clean or whatever it was called.
[23:28] <edman007> HOOOOONK!!
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[23:28] <ananke> thrice` : the point remains. it's not a common feature, and hasn't been required to qualify for a system that can handle dependencies
[23:29] <nix_chix0r> ow@@!!!!
[23:29] <thrice`> I think more have it than not.  the ones you listed aren't common (outside of suse) for desktop use
[23:29] <ananke> thrice` : so now it's limited to desktops?
[23:29] <thrice`> ananke: also, mandriva can through urpmi
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[23:29] <edman007> what?
[23:30] Action: nix_chix0r becomes a zombie
[23:30] <thrice`> ananke: so, that makes gentoo, arch, anything yum or urpmi based, and anything .deb
[23:30] <thrice`> er, apt*
[23:30] Action: edman007 hides his brains
[23:30] <ananke> 'anything yum based' is false. it requires a third party yum addon, which is not available for a large portion of those systems
[23:31] <thrice`> yum-utils is hardly 3rd party.  you can have that one, still
[23:31] <thrice`> zypper is in the minority
[23:31] <thrice`> while I agree it's not a requirement, it's incredibly useful
[23:32] <ananke> it's not about zypper. it's about the fact that yum doesn't have that functionality
[23:32] <thrice`> there's no reason that if a package pulls in 100 packages, and I remove it, that it should leave 99 useless packages on my system
[23:32] <ananke> and yum-utils is third party, since it's not part of yum. not to mention the obvious: it's a recent module in yum-utils
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[23:33] <hiptobecubic> is there a package for icecream around?
[23:33] <ananke> usefulness wasn't discussed. i agree it's a very useful feature. it just happens to be missing on many systems
[23:33] <thrice`> many, so far, is Suse
[23:33] <thrice`> since fedora (and probably others, that i've not used) provide yumutils by default
[23:33] <ananke> and centos. and rhel. and earlier versions of fedora
[23:33] <sahko> and then people bitch about Slackware not handling dependencies. this is worst
[23:33] <dive> hiptobecubic, and what I may ask is icecream?
[23:34] <hiptobecubic> dive, distcc that works, apparently.
[23:34] <dive> ah
[23:34] <thrice`> ok, fine.  Suse, rhel and people who re-compile rhel, and really old shit
[23:34] <thrice`> that's your argument?
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[23:34] <ananke> fedora 10 being 'really old shit'?
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[23:35] <ananke> your argument is that the _latest_ version of fedora happens to finally have that feature makes it somehow very common?
[23:35] <thrice`> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/yum-utils
[23:35] <thrice`> there's fedora 4-11
[23:36] <ananke> and?
[23:37] <thrice`> so, anything yum based has the feature available
[23:37] <thrice`> anything recent*
[23:37] <thrice`> if you'll accept fedora 4 as recent
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[23:37] <Thom1> rpm distro use yum ?
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[23:37] <fire|bird> Thom1: Fedora does, yes.
[23:37] <ananke> thrice` : you assume that this feature was present in early versions of yum-utils. it wasn't
[23:37] <ananke> Thom1 : some do, such as fedora & centos
[23:37] <fire|bird> Thom1: I believe RHEL and CentOS do as well.
[23:38] <Thom1> ok ok
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[23:39] <thrice`> so, my argument is *recent* yum (subjective), gentoo, arch, anything apt* based, anything using urpmi, some odd-balls like CRUX linux, freeBSD, and possibly others that I haven't used personally
[23:39] <thrice`> and I'm the minority, yet?
[23:40] <thrice`> you've provided rhel-based, SuSE, and old yum based
[23:40] <ananke> i'll have to take your word that urpmi can do it. point still remains: only latest fedora seems to have that by default
[23:40] <thrice`> http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2009.0_Alpha_2#Orphan_package_detection_in_urpmi
[23:40] <ananke> rhel/centos/fedora10_and_prior/opensuse/sles is a big chunk of the market
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[23:41] <thrice`> ok, fine.  you win; i've tried my best, but you are superior yet again
[23:41] <ananke> ahh, there you go again, with that crap
[23:41] <thrice`> what crap?  you're a fucking brick wall, and it's too frustrating to carry on
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[23:41] <ananke> ohh, finally we see the real you
[23:41] <jescis> any way to use my tv tuner card without mysql?
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[23:41] <ananke> jescis : you don't need mysql to use your tv tuner card [unless you want mythtv]
[23:42] <thrice`> which "real me" is that?
[23:42] <jescis> ananke, what's another application then mythtv?
[23:43] <hiptobecubic> xbmc?
[23:43] <ananke> thrice` : the ironic part is that you argue the same amount as i do, yet you're unable to continue it on a civil level. and you call me a 'fucking brick wall'. irony at its best
[23:43] <ananke> hiptobecubic : i don't think xbmc has anything for actually using tv tuner cards
[23:43] <thrice`> sigh, I give up
[23:43] <ananke> jescis : xawtv
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[23:43] <Thom1> ananke, i got pink floyd in my head now :)
[23:44] <hiptobecubic> just a guess, i don't have a tv card or xbmc
[23:45] <tank-man> mplayer works with tv tuner cards
[23:45] <ananke> yeah, it does. i'm just not sure if it has any facility to change channels though
[23:45] <tank-man> live tv is for suckers anyways :)
[23:46] Action: ananke is watching austin city limits on pbs now, live :)
[23:46] <twolf> damn, I was trying to control my laptop with the mouse from my desktop, thats what a few beers will do to me
[23:47] <ananke> twolf : you can do it. synergy
[23:47] <twolf> hehe
[23:47] <ananke> i was serious :)
[23:47] Action: ananke loves synergy, has three machines and 4 monitors at work controlled by one keyboard & mouse
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[23:51] <twolf> ananke: thanks for the tip, I wasn't aware of its existence
[23:53] <ananke> it's one of those apps that seem to fall under radar, but are amazingly useful when needed
[23:53] <danc3> ananke: is there a package for that anywhere, or do you just compile it?
[23:54] <ananke> danc3 : i haven't used it on slackware, so i'm not sure
[23:54] <danc3> oh
[23:54] <ananke> i'm sure you could just compile it
[23:54] <danc3> ya
[23:55] <ananke> at first the config file may be confusing, i can show you mine as an example
[23:56] <danc3> no need, but thanks
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[23:57] <ananke> nice thing is that it's cross-platform
[23:58] <danc3> don't really need that feature myself
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