[00:00] Axius: yes. [00:00] Virtual Terminals, then. [00:00] Axius: eh, i know this... hold on... [00:00] no i don't know this. [00:01] Axius: have you googled the question? [00:01] break19: ty for the cp info [00:01] found how to scroll back :) [00:01] the theme. [00:01] what prompt? [00:02] zsh's prompt. [00:02] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [00:02] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [00:03] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [00:03] hahahha, I finnaly logged in, and the slackware "quote" is: FATAL ERROR: Hard drive corrupt. Must format... [00:03] like, when you log in? [00:03] scared the shit out of me, considering the circumstances [00:03] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-59-197.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [00:04] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:05] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:06] thats fucking great [00:06] acidtripper (~gonza@190.193.18.19) joined ##slackware. [00:07] Jeffm312: lol [00:07] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:08] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-46-223.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [00:10] butterball (~confusid@c-98-231-191-231.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:15] Axius (~fd@92.84.22.236) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:15] Patero-ng (~Basura@174-23-31-178.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] I want to know how to activate the infrared poirt [00:15] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:15] on my slack [00:16] Question [00:16] Axius (~fd@92.84.22.236) joined ##slackware. [00:16] if I load a zip disk containting crucitial secret data [00:16] and my slack is infected [00:16] will that file get saved there [00:16] or will they bwe able to see it [00:17] ............. [00:17] other question is can slack get virus infected only when running as root? [00:17] or when root session is open [00:18] only if you install it too [00:18] what [00:19] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-46-223.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:19] only if I manually install it you mean [00:19] The only time you should be running root is when you are doing system-critical tasks -- when you are just using your copy of slackware, you should just be a regular user. [00:21] that didn't answer my question [00:21] I reguarlaly have to enter root to mount my zip [00:21] or see ifconfig iwconfig [00:21] and things [00:22] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [00:22] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:23] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [00:24] Well, I can say, slackware isn't Ubuntu -- you don't install programs via your browser. It's slightly more secure than that.. Also, look into automounting. [00:26] auto mountange doens't exist in my slack [00:26] I mount with su [00:26] what's wrong? [00:26] factotum (~18b47f3a@gateway/web/freenode/x-pohqeaqlultcexxz) joined ##slackware. [00:26] I use su [00:26] is it more secure then sudo [00:26] acidtripper (~gonza@190.193.18.19) left irc: Quit: I'm Leaving guys! see you soon... [00:26] I think is but what ya think [00:26] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:26] explain me [00:27] 3 questions so far almost easy [00:27] Could you stop typing 2 words per line? It's really annoying... [00:27] acidtripper (~gonza@190.193.18.19) joined ##slackware. [00:27] sorry to jack up your bill [00:28] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-95-31.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:29] hey Rat409 [00:30] hey fire|bird , how you doing? [00:30] Rat409: doing good, thanks. you? [00:30] doing well,thanks :) just tweaking my zsh configs [00:31] i should have used zsh before,i'm liking it greatly :) [00:32] Rat409: How do I change my zsh prompt? [00:33] http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=change+zsh+prompt [00:33] depends you can try typing prompt. or edit your .zshrc,or .zshprompt , etc.. [00:33] God [00:33] I need answers ur not providings me only bullying me around or pushing me away [00:33] i used phil golds but its nice but a little much for me [00:34] thank you! [00:34] and automounting sounds unsecure [00:35] waht is my system is inefected [00:35] it creates bad habits [00:35] that's why my dad hates that fact I'm blocking bing,yahoo,google, and soon hotmail [00:35] and IE [00:36] and he says your ruining my life and I say that's nothing imaiging what I would do when I become president [00:36] rachael (~nnnnracha@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:36] I have no sympathy for your dad. The asshole fed you. [00:36] rworkman: /agree [00:36] Patero-ng: still you run slax + some added stuff from slackware. I have no time to debug what asshattery you have done to your system. [00:37] you need to go man [00:37] acidtripper (~gonza@190.193.18.19) left irc: Quit: I'm Leaving guys! see you soon... [00:37] fire|bird: nice link :) [00:37] this place is for people who want to fight the nwo [00:37] no, this place is for people wanting help with slackware. [00:37] Patero-ng: You don't get to decide what this place is for. [00:37] I don't know what Rabit hole u came [00:37] ok u tell me what is for [00:38] I should make my own linux os [00:38] and my own channel and my own sect [00:38] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:38] Patero-ng: by all means, go for it. [00:38] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@174-23-31-178.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:38] Patero, you go do that. Then you can gtfo of ##slackware and make your own private channel where you can whine all you want. [00:38] Patero-ng kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: This channel is for Slackware support, Patero-ng. See how far down this rabbit hole you can go. [00:39] There. Problem solved. :) [00:39] yay for slackboy! [00:39] \o/ [00:39] rworkman++ [00:39] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:39] well, I just missed the latest Patero-NG posts I guess [00:39] That guy is as annoying as diarrhea coupled with a coughing fit. [00:40] indeed [00:40] not even depends works heh? [00:40] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:40] haha [00:40] about as annoying as manhunter. [00:40] Speaking of him, was that handled? I saw mention in another channel :) [00:40] I would say that about pretty much any "reality" show myself [00:41] rworkman: no, he eventually left. I am still not convinced if he's hopeless clueless, or just a troll. or both. [00:41] I have an emergency. I'm almost out of salsa, and all the Mexican restaurants are closed by now :/ [00:41] doh [00:41] BP{k}: okay, good. I've wondered the same. [00:41] well, there's albertsons veggie section and a good knife will fix that [00:41] rworkman ^^^ [00:42] alisonken1noc: true. I eat enough that it would be *much* cheaper to make my own. [00:42] :) [00:45] http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000091,40047601,00.htm <-- the only part I'm not sure about this is the part about "auto updates your linux without prompting" might work out to be like the windows story last week [00:46] tuvok302Lappy (Nancy@clgrtnt7-port-252.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [00:46] story title "Linux Laptop takes the strain for technophobes" [00:47] Jeffm312 (~chatzilla@CPE004010100002-CM0019477f2b7e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158] [00:47] in the story, it specifically states the automatic updates is for security software; the only issue is if it prompts for a reboot when the kernel gets updated if the reboot is actually forced or allowed to be deferred [00:47] lol [00:48] Jeffm312 (~jeff.m@CPE004010100002-CM0019477f2b7e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [00:49] alisonken1noc: the windows story from last week? [00:49] Yeah, was gonna say, what story? [00:49] no - read the title line I posted [00:49] rworkman: i make my own salsa and its good and cheap. so do it. [00:49] "Linux laptop takes the strain for technophobes" [00:50] customized ubuntu basically [00:50] alisonken1noc: right. but you implied something bad happened with windows autoupdating(and maybe forcing a computer to restart) [00:50] yeah, different story last week about windows rebooting while a doctor was remote connected to his office for an emergency consult on an accident vicitm [00:51] lol...that sucks. [00:51] He should fire his IT director [00:51] it was his home computer :) [00:51] He should pay me to manage his home system then [00:51] BWA HA HA HA HA! [00:51] hah [00:52] rworkman: ping [00:52] Windows huh? [00:52] he DID state he was looking for a replacement o/s after that [00:52] I think I may know what's keeping amarok 2.2.x from building in -current [00:54] HaMpA (~kompaesf@88.86.50.38) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:55] you can tell the auto updater to require your input to download and then to install the updates. sadly you can't tell it to not try to reboot. [00:56] zaltekk: ubuntu or windows? in last week's case, the popup asked if he wanted to reboot, he clicked "no" and it rebooted anyway [00:56] alisonken1noc: windows. i'm sure he is just blaming that on the software and he probably clicked the wrong button. [00:57] alisonken1noc: however, with Windows7(and I believe Vista as well) it will automatically reboot your computer if you don't respond to the dialog in time. [00:57] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:57] well, it's debatable on that part. although the simple answer might be he clicked on "yes" when he meant "no", but ms is not known for having very helpful clicker boxes [00:58] well, it has Restart Now and Restart Later on XP [00:58] but it's also known that ms click boxes are notorious for taking over the screen/keyboard/mouse until something is done [00:58] and for 7 it has Restart Now and Postpone with a selection of 10 minutes, 1 hour, and 4 hours [00:58] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [00:58] which in my mind is still bad [00:59] right, on windows xp you couldn't ignore the box. [00:59] i don't think it steals focus, but it is topmost [00:59] "reboot later" should not automatically reschedule the reboot. at the most it should remind you to reboot [01:00] alisonken1noc: it just prompts you again. [01:00] hakan56 (~titus@c213-89-178-126.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [01:00] but, like i said, if you are away from your machine it eventually decides to restart anyway [01:01] if you're away from your machine, it's not as bad as if you're in the middle of an emergency, though [01:02] of course. i'm sure that the issue occured because of the way the autoupdate dialogs work, but i'm still sure it was a user error that caused the reboot. he had to have clicked the wrong button. or misunderstood the dialog. [01:02] Jeffm312 (~jeff.m@CPE004010100002-CM0019477f2b7e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [01:02] Jeffm123 (~jeff.m@CPE004010100002-CM0019477f2b7e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [01:03] either way - the reboot should say "Do you want to reboot NOW?" "YES" "NO" [01:03] why make it harder than it should be? [01:04] alisonken1noc: it has improved with the newer versions of windows by letting you set a longer time before it asks you again. but what it really needs is a way to tell it to stop asking you to reboot. [01:04] or maybe something as simple as a baloon-like notification from the system tray rather than a dialog box [01:05] alisonken1noc: That's pretty much what it is now -- only yeah, a little more complicated (atleast on win7) - it's like, wait 10 mins, 1 hr, 2, 4.. and after you tell it to delay itself a 2nd time (and the time expires), it begins a 10 minute count down to rebooting (so it you're doing something full screen, you don't notice).. that damn 10 minute thing is really annoying [01:05] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [01:06] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:06] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:06] like I said - the little homey touches like that is why I stick with slackware :) [01:06] hakan56 (titus@c213-89-178-126.bredband.comhem.se) left ##slackware. [01:07] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [01:07] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [01:09] xdan779 (~daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-44.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:12] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-243.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:14] NaCl: what's up? [01:15] NaCl: hrm, I didn't realize it wasn't building. I don't mess with kde stuff much lately [01:16] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:17] installing fedora: "After inserting and booting the machine, the first screen you'll see is the Fedora boot menu. You need to choose the first option, "Install or upgrade an existing system". In some rare cases, you may find that your computer is unable to progress any further." [01:17] I like that touch about ".. in some cases ..." :) [01:18] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: She talks to angels, says they call her out by name. [01:20] Jeffm123 (~jeff.m@CPE004010100002-CM0019477f2b7e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [01:21] Jeffm123 (~jeff.m@CPE004010100002-CM0019477f2b7e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [01:22] macius (~macius@i209-195-80-163.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [01:22] sarkoman (~sarkoman@unaffiliated/sarkoman) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:22] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [01:22] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-250.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:23] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [01:24] ok, wtf.. about about to shutdown for the night, and i get this: http://www.burnitdown.net/WTF.png [01:24] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-243.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [01:25] "This program requires agentctl.dll, which is no longer included in this version of Windows." [01:25] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-146.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:25] So they remotely removed agentctl.dll from all Windows 7 boxes!? [01:26] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:27] Jeffm123 (~jeff.m@CPE004010100002-CM0019477f2b7e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [01:28] powtrix- (~powtrix@189-69-16-67.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[01:42] there's a couple of people here who have installed 4.4 on -current [01:42] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-6.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [01:42] OffPlanet (~meler@ppp-69-229-45-204.dsl.frsn01.pacbell.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:42] it hasn't showed up in the -current changelog yet though [01:42] nope [01:43] yuh or built it maybe oooo fire|bird did ??? :P [01:43] 4.4 is on a personal server of one of the guys for testing [01:43] alienbob's? [01:43] I don't think it was fire|bird - I think alien has them [01:44] yes,i was just trying to remind fire|bird how he loves to build kde from source. :P [01:44] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-182.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:45] i really want to try it, but i think i'll just wait for it to be pushed into -current [01:46] anyone recommend good cheap offsite file storage. [01:46] unlimited space [01:46] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:46] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [01:47] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:48] ive checked and cant find anything that i would consider good. [01:48] |slackin| (~slackin@32.131.144.248) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [01:48] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:48] Rat409: hahaha [01:48] mohaa (~nome@92.49.83.28) joined ##slackware. [01:48] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.205.42) joined ##slackware. [01:49] lol sorry,couldn't pass that up. i think my box would combust compiling all of kde4 [01:50] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-182.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [01:51] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:51] Rat409: yeah, I'm surprised mine hasn't yet. 4.4 I've mostly used on openSUSE. I do have slack64-current on the laptop now though using alienBOB's 4.4 packages. If I were to have slack on both my desktops and the laptop, I could have a nice icecream build system going. [01:51] indeed [01:52] any awesome new features? [01:53] powtrix- (~powtrix@189-69-16-67.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:56] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [01:56] Nick change: powtrix- -> powtrix [01:56] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:56] Rat409: Hmm, well, there's the tabbed ui, which I really like, a lot of work has went into the desktop search stuff (which my desktop can't handle, indexing bogs it down too much or I'd definitely use that) and some other things which I'm sure I'm forgetting atm. All in all it's a very nice release, works well, very stable. [01:57] sweet [01:57] i always kill indexing [01:58] Axius (~fd@92.84.22.236) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:58] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:58] Rat409: I wouldn't if my system could handle it, but it can't. The laptop is ok with it though. [01:58] yuh [02:00] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-93.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:02] Axius (~fd@92.84.22.236) joined ##slackware. [02:03] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-67.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [02:03] powtrix- (~powtrix@189-69-16-67.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:03] Nick change: powtrix- -> powtrix [02:05] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-93.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [02:05] Rat409: A nice highlight of what 4.4 has to offer is this page, which also has some videos to watch: http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.4/ [02:05] factotum (~18b47f3a@gateway/web/freenode/x-pohqeaqlultcexxz) left irc: Quit: Page closed [02:07] gaz- (~gaz@xvm-12-22.ghst.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [02:10] oh thanks fire|bird ! nice [02:12] fire|bird: btw feb linux journal has a how-to on developing custom plasma widgets [02:13] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:16] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [02:25] sharks with lasers says "No!" to carbon emission ! sing here, here and here ! 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[03:13] PathagenX (~pathagenx@125-238-63-148.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [03:13] everytime i boot up i don't have internet access. i have to type dhclient [03:13] what should i do? [03:13] net... [03:13] netconfig [03:13] yea [03:14] domain name? i don't have a domain [03:14] Make something up [03:14] default is DarkStar [03:15] dhcp or static ip? [03:16] i have a static ip [03:16] i know it [03:16] everyone has a domain :) don't think of it as in windose, it's different. [03:19] the gateway is the BCast Address? [03:19] then use it [03:19] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:20] how do i find the gateway? [03:20] my mistake DarkStar is hostname.. [03:20] Azeotrope, ip or router [03:21] of* [03:22] i don't have a router [03:23] Azeotrope, just use dhcp, you said it worked for you. [03:24] yeah it ought to work [03:25] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-80.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [03:25] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:25] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [03:26] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-133.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:27] Azeotrope, you can also install and use wicd for managing wired and wireless connections graphically. [03:28] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [03:28] slava_dp: thanks [03:29] mohaa (~nome@92.49.83.28) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:30] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-197.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:31] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:34] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. 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[03:45] hey fire|bird [03:47] PathagenX (~pathagenx@125-238-63-148.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:47] hey pprkut [03:47] foranyone who was following, ive had a response from Symantec about the PAM dependency in NetBackup.. they are going to see what they can do, but think it will be unlikely they'll be able to get me a pam-free binary. They suggest i put it on the "Ideas Portal". [03:47] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:47] PathagenX (~pathagenx@125-238-63-148.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [03:48] In the meantime I can confirm that as long as the binary can see a libpam.so.0 then it works perfectly with no reference to PAM.. it just needs- access to the library [03:51] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-79-183-7-57.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [03:51] mohaa (~nome@92.49.83.28) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:53] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-79-183-7-57.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Changing host [03:53] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) joined ##slackware. [03:59] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-420457.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [03:59] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-420457.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:00] PathagenX (~pathagenx@125-238-63-148.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:11] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:13] Zordrak, they probably built it against pam unknowingly, just for good measure. people assume it is installed on every distro. [04:14] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:18] slava_dp: its only supported on rhel and sles.. but i argue you can have rhel or sles and not want PAM installed [04:18] my library knowledge is a little lacking here.. can they provide pam integration without actually requiring the pam lib to be present for the application to start? [04:19] Zordrak, i guess lots of software will refuse to start if you do not have pam package on rhel or sles. [04:19] PathagenX (~pathagenx@125-238-63-148.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:19] I would think it could be compiled as an option check - unless someone is getting lazy on their programming skills [04:20] alisonken1noc: yes.. but its not opensource [04:20] its distributed as binary [04:20] yes, a lib can be dynamically loaded by the code directly, and not linked against. [04:20] programming skills have nothing to do with open/closed source - it's programmers thinking about what they're programming for [04:20] like, if dlopen() ok, then use pam [04:21] then thats precisely what i will suggest [04:26] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Quit: That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. [04:30] Axius (~fd@92.85.219.53) joined ##slackware. [04:33] mohaa (~nome@92.49.83.28) joined ##slackware. [04:37] mohaa (~nome@92.49.83.28) left irc: Client Quit [04:38] Axius (~fd@92.85.219.53) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:39] PathagenX (~pathagenx@125-238-63-148.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:41] Axius (~fd@92.85.219.53) joined ##slackware. [04:42] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-420457.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [04:42] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-420457.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:47] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. 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[05:24] Anyone with a Symantec Connect account, please vote up this "Idea": [05:24] https://www-secure.symantec.com/connect/idea/bpjava-msvc-linked-against-pam-unnecessarily-making-it-dependency-entire-application [05:31] Milds (einars8@212.93.100.166) left ##slackware. [05:33] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [05:37] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:39] brbrbr (~basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:40] How can I add a swap partition already made? [05:40] laj (~laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [05:40] I have only 768 mb swap partition. [05:41] laj (~laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:46] alienBOB: Is slack64 officially known as Slackware64 or 64-Bit Slackware? I appreciate there is little to differentiate between the two but ive seen you occasionally say a word or two about it. I guess its, is it a considered separate "product" called Slackware64, or is it just a different architecture of the same product. I see pat call it Slackware64, though your blog usually says "Slackware 64-bit" [05:46] i appreciate its not very important.. but i like to be right.. esp with my own blog posts [05:49] Zordrak: slackware64 [05:49] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [05:49] slackware is slackware 32-bit edition and slackware64 is 64-bit edition [05:50] alisonken1noc: source? not that i doubt you, but science is as science does.. [05:50] I think alienBOB just put it that way since he's been working on it since before pat started looking at a 64-bit port [05:50] fair point [05:50] I go by what Pat has on the slackware store site and the changelogs [05:51] *nod* [05:53] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:54] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. 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[07:39] chopp: all done, dusted and documented: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2010/02/22/netbackup-7-server-on-slackware64-13-1/ [07:39] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.15) joined ##slackware. [07:40] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:41] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [07:44] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Client Quit [07:45] farhat (~farhat@41.99.38.0) joined ##slackware. [07:45] hi [07:46] i can let slackware faster than gentoo by compling the kernel ? [07:47] hey guys, anyone know why kde4.4 and firefox in -current has issues renderign some menu's of the browser, specifically addons like noscript... wondering if this is a gtk or qt issue? [07:49] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [07:49] Action: tewmten shrugs [07:49] farhat: that is an ambigious question, and not one that can be answered simply, try it see if it interests you [07:50] i just installed Win7 on my work laptop and now i have this weird itching feeling in my eyes [07:50] farhat: on computers made in the last 5 years there's not enough of a difference to matter needing a recompile of the kernel [07:50] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:50] depends if your a ricer or not heh [07:51] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-59-197.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:51] alisonken1noc: my 42MB RAM slack64 server disagrees with you ;) [07:51] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [07:52] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:53] Zordrak: at 42M, I would be considering an upgrade somewhere :) [07:53] used, not available :) 4G available, 42M used [07:54] tewmten: if you're like me its because you're going blind trying to see the default font at 1920x1024 [07:55] if I jack the font dpi up large enough that I can see, the menu bars are like an inch high [07:55] i guess if im going to be this blind I need to buy like a 20" laptop :) [07:56] no i think it was from the industrial grade cleaning deturgent i used to wipe off the glue from those pesky windows-stickers they put on every laptop these days [07:56] at least :) [07:56] heh.. [07:56] ahah [07:56] man i hate those stickers [07:56] most new lcd tv's have a dvi input available to it - at 32" HDTV glory [07:56] yes [07:56] needs HD [07:56] if you try to peel them off with your thumbnail, they can slice open the area right underneath [07:56] so i can see all the pixels [07:57] GooseYArd: thumbnail lol.. [07:57] i used a carpet knife [07:57] yah after the last set of lacerations i use a razor blade too [07:57] then i doused the glue in some good ole alcohol [07:57] probably gonna leave a nasty mark on the bezel [07:57] but whatever, company laptop, not mine.. who cares [07:57] :) [07:57] i learned to use a hairdryer for the stickers on my motorcycle, that helped [07:58] those were vinyl tho [07:58] it took me like three weeks since i got it until i had burn marks on the keyboard from falling hash pieces hehehehe [07:58] ahah [07:58] the technicians will be on to you [07:58] "hey i know that smell" [07:59] tewmten: do you find the fonts blurry? [07:59] i find everything blurry [07:59] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-136-249.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [07:59] oh wait my glasses are dirty.. erh.. [07:59] d'oh :P [07:59] and he's baked [07:59] no i'm sober [07:59] tewmten: I can't stand windows' sub-pixel hinting, hurts my eyes, anti-aliasing is ok though [07:59] tewmten: heheh ;p [07:59] hi guys [08:00] GooseYArd: nah man, i am the BOFH in this company ;) [08:00] ehehe [08:00] hah that reminds me [08:00] you'll like this [08:01] http://typophile.com/node/61920 [08:01] a bit old but cute [08:01] guax (~guax@189.4.99.110) joined ##slackware. [08:01] guax (~guax@189.4.99.110) left irc: Changing host [08:01] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:02] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-58-237.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [08:03] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Quit: That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. 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[08:15] GooseYArd: thank you, i will not hunt you [08:17] slackware is maintained by patrick volkerding , one man maintaining , [08:17] what will happen after his death? [08:17] what will happen to slackware? [08:17] slackware is maintained by one man, it is risky [08:18] it is a concern [08:18] I suppose someone would take over - there's plenty of people doing plenty of work for slackware around him [08:19] id put money on him leaving it to bob in his will [08:19] perhaps not officially, or for the official thing, but it wouldn't be hard to fork slackware. I think a couple of someones already did for 64-bit? [08:20] manhunter: its not a concern [08:20] manhunter: he has other people on his dev team that are capable of assisting or even heading up the project if necessary [08:20] Aldaron: forking is not a good idea, i want to keep slackware and upgrade it [08:21] i want to keep slackware for 40 years or so [08:21] FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUD [08:21] there's already been discussion of pat's successor about 8 years ago when pat was sick [08:21] yep [08:21] woops, sorry, that slipped out of my fingers :-) [08:21] heh [08:21] manhunter: if you seriously think you don't need a single reinstall over 40 years, I think no OS provides that ;) [08:22] Aldaron: SkyNet [08:22] and more seriously, considering the number of slackware ports, I'm not really worried [08:22] Dominian: ah, that! Where could I download? ;) [08:22] Aldaron: no, i mean , i want to keep slackware active as it is now for next 40 years [08:22] Dominian: really? I was about to install The Matrix, but if you think SkyNet's a better choice... [08:23] Aldaron: slamd64 wasn't a fork, but a port - like Armed-Slack [08:23] manhunter: then fork it and work for it over the next 40 years yourself? ;). Seriously though, help SBo or something [08:23] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [08:24] Aldaron: i am trying to make a slackbuild [08:24] thinking about it, I might try running HURD in 40 years, *might* [08:24] Camarade_Tux: with skynet.. you get awesome robots.. with killer personalities [08:24] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [08:24] Dominian: but with the matrix, I can create an infinite number of strippers, hard to chose =/ [08:25] manhunter: there is a secret cabal of slackware maintainers [08:25] others can fork from slackware , that is not a problem, as many distro are forked from debian, debian is still alive, [08:25] Camarade_Tux: hrm.. [08:25] go with the strippers [08:25] i want slackware as debian [08:25] alisonken1noc: aw, close enough, ainnit? [08:25] wait, what? [08:25] manhunter: Then do that, but don't expect Slackware to help maintain forks nor support them. [08:25] when pvolkdering leaves this plane, they will eat his remains and excrete the next release [08:25] alisonken1noc: I thought those were not "official ports" [08:25] i want a cookie [08:25] thrice`: a thin mint? [08:26] thrice`: take it from kitchen [08:26] Aldaron: slamd64 was an unofficial port, but there were at least 2 official ports available for some time [08:26] GooseYArd: the strippers?! [08:26] sure why not [08:26] now that slackware64 is available, slamd64 is no longer needed [08:26] hmm, sounds nice :) [08:27] GooseYArd, yuck! no. most over-rated girl scout coookie alive :) [08:27] they were always my favorite, but over the past 4 or 5 years I have eaten so many of them that the sight of them makes me slightly nauseas [08:27] thrice`: girl scout cookies are alive? 0_o ! [08:27] My new favorite is the Dulce de Leche flavor [08:28] i also burned myself out on samoas [08:28] anyone use slackware64 for laptop? [08:29] obvious troll is obvious [08:29] thrice`: no [08:29] thrice`: but you stop, eating cookies here [08:29] Action: hackedhead likes the ones with caramel.. tagalongs? i think they're called? [08:29] do note, though, that there's also no guarantee that a company will continue to develop and support a product for 40 years. Actually, companies are known to not do that [08:30] manhunter, then quit asking retarded questions. so far, you have "what happens when Pat dies," and "does anyone use slackware on a laptop?" [08:30] hehe [08:30] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [08:31] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ixhxknfxswqmrqdp) joined ##slackware. [08:31] my point is only one man should not maintain a distro, [08:31] it should be decentralized [08:31] what if he has multiple personalities [08:31] at least 50 people maintain it [08:31] Isn't Linus one man maintaining the kernel? :P [08:31] manhunter: slackware has been running the longest of any other distro, and there's already processes in place to continue slackware after pat drops it [08:31] ohhh, setting a people limit [08:32] also Pat V. is the size of 4 normal men [08:32] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:32] GooseYArd: at least four! [08:32] thats why you never see him, he's shy about his size [08:32] Aldaron: isn't distro bigger that kernel, [08:32] compiling and building more packages [08:32] writing scripts [08:32] manhunter: judging on what? Workload? Number of lines of project-specific source code? On both, NO. [08:33] more packages, yes, but that's a stupid metric [08:33] distro metric is "does it do what I want the way I want?" [08:34] Aldaron: i especially like how none of the packages in slackware ever conflict with each other or get upset at the package manager. hahaha. [08:34] Intel_BG (~intel@95.43.1.53) joined ##slackware. [08:35] hackedhead: you can't say that about the kernel's parts.. ;) [08:35] hackedhead: I actually like other distros too for that: packages conflict with themselves, it's always fun to watch :-) [08:35] hey, has anyone installed denyhosts on slackware? [08:35] zux1wrk: I might have, lemme check [08:35] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) joined ##slackware. [08:35] denyhosts? what's that? /etc/hosts.deny maybe? [08:36] |slackin| (~slackin@32.128.207.134) joined ##slackware. [08:36] the small staff of slackware is a testament to the value of waiting for the upstream people to finish their software [08:36] bye guys [08:36] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:36] as opposed to other distributions who spend 3/4 of their time hacking a bunch of goofy patches of their own [08:36] <|slackin|> GOOD morning! beautiful day today! [08:36] GooseYArd: indeed [08:36] Aldaron: i guess i always roll my own kernel, so i don't count kernel packages.. a apckaged kernel never really made sense to me anyway. [08:36] alisonken1noc, no, that is a python script, that watches failed logins in log files and add those evel hosts to hosts.deny [08:37] ah [08:37] well, slackware did adopt kde 4 maybe a bit too early (and had to hack it together) [08:37] Camarade_Tux: yep. sometimes i make popcorn while ubuntu explodes itself. [08:37] not as bad as you think, though (kde4) [08:37] hackedhead: a packaged kernel just works and does everything I want it to! That makes sense :) [08:37] i should try kde4 some time [08:38] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:38] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [08:38] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [08:38] Aldaron: whatever works. =] [08:38] zux1wrk: sry, it was fail2ban :) [08:38] hackedhead: indeed :) [08:39] Aldaron, if that is a good tool, i could maybe use that one... [08:39] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [08:39] the best of course would be some tool from slackbuilds [08:39] zux1wrk: That does what you want, and works for me. Can't say more about the qualilty.. But there's a SBo script for fail2ban, which I consider an advantage in any case :) [08:40] yes, i just found it also [08:40] thanks [08:40] zux1wrk: no problem :) [08:40] xover (~xover@host86-131-41-10.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [08:40] Aldaron, does it start as daemon? [08:41] ..annoying how some *holes fill log files by trying tens of thousands of logins [08:41] zux1wrk: It does for me. I forget how I set it up tho ;) [08:41] ok, i'll find it probably :) [08:41] probably faster than I would :D [08:42] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:42] it does have a /etc/rc.d/rc.fail2ban [08:43] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.21.235) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [08:43] that's what i like about slackbuilds... [08:44] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.6.59) joined ##slackware. [08:44] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:45] Aldaron, can you have a look at /etc/fail2ban ? [08:45] by defaults, i just tried to ban myself and failed :( [08:46] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:47] zux1wrk: yea, what there? [08:48] ahh i think i found the problem [08:48] I think I tweaked my configs a lot [08:48] ssh blocking is disabled by default [08:48] yea. That needs to be enabled ;) [08:49] For ssh, I went for bantime = 14400 (4 hours) and maxretry = 5 [08:49] and maybe a fix suggestion where do i remove a banned host? [08:49] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:49] zux1wrk: oh, I never did that ;) [08:50] so can't say [08:50] well if i'm gonna ban myself, it would be bad to unban too [08:51] still no ban for me... [08:51] true. I had a couple of different hosts to connect from, so when I got one banned, I just left the ban to expire in 4 hours [08:51] gonna have to digg into it... [08:51] okay, I also set findtime = 600 [08:52] the findtime is by default 600 [08:53] ah, right :) [08:53] i think i'll set the ban time to 24h [08:53] if i ban myself out, i usually have at least a couple of other addresses i can connect from [08:54] entrope- (~root@d221-72-206.commercial.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:54] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!root@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [08:54] entrope- kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using an IRC client as root is very dangerous. Please create a user account and return to the channel under it. [08:54] entrope- (~root@d221-72-206.commercial.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:54] entrope- kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: You are banned [08:54] entrope- (~root@d221-72-206.commercial.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:54] entrope- kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: You are banned [08:54] entrope- (~root@d221-72-206.commercial.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:54] entrope- kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: You are banned [08:54] entrope- (~root@d221-72-206.commercial.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:54] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@d221-72-206.commercial.cgocable.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [08:54] entrope- kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: You are banned [08:54] oooook... [08:54] ahhh [08:54] +b *!root@* [08:55] that should be: +b *!*root@* [08:55] or at leas +b *!?root@* [08:55] However, if someone does reveal identd information then former would work [08:56] rworkman: nvm, apparently pprkut found the solution was found last week or something. [08:57] :D [08:57] Axius (~fd@109.97.55.93) joined ##slackware. [08:58] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [08:58] i need a robot coffee fetcher [08:58] Aldaron, hmm, can't seem to get it working, Aldaron could you paste the ssh part from the config to pastebin? [08:58] GooseYArd: already have several - they're known as "kids" :) [08:58] alisonken1noc: i cant wait until mine are tall enough to reach the pot :) [08:58] you do configure stuff un jail.conf, right? [09:00] zux1wrk: oh, I might know.. Do you have logpath = /var/log/messages for ssh? (it might have been /var/log/sshd.log previously) - yes, jail.conf [09:00] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:00] yes, i changed it to messages [09:00] tb /var/log/messages [09:01] zux1wrk: http://www.pastebin.org/95313 is the start of my jail.conf [09:02] thanks [09:03] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:05] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.205.42) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:05] Desiderius (~chatzilla@ucopia-nat-invite.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:06] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:08] expl0it (~tester@118.239.3.114) joined ##slackware. [09:08] Nick change: expl0it -> Guest31469 [09:09] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@62.1.49.1.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:10] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [09:10] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) joined ##slackware. [09:13] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-24-125.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:13] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-197.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:13] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [09:14] hello, my thinkpad is muted after booting, any ideas> [09:14] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [09:14] alsamixer [09:14] check for anything that says MM [09:15] Dominian: still no sound [09:16] Blue_Slacker86 (blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:16] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-176-188.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:16] have you checked everything? [09:16] Dominian: yes [09:16] odd [09:17] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.15) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [09:18] Dominian: dmesg says: HDA-Intel is initialized by a guessed method [09:18] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.45) joined ##slackware. [09:20] Guest31469, did you try voluming up things, and the do alsactl store [09:20] ? [09:20] zux1wrk: yes i did [09:20] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [09:20] screenshot of alsamixer, or it didn't happen [09:22] OK, It's working now, the 'Speaker' is muted [09:23] nowai! [09:23] 'Speaker' in alsamixer [09:23] hehe I did ask if you checked 'everything' [09:23] Desiderius (~chatzilla@ucopia-nat-invite.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [09:24] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:24] oh.. oh.. I think I compiled my first kernel successfully! woo :D (I'll just ignore the various warnings it gave) [09:24] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [09:25] somebody with intel gm945 + two monitor + slackware-current to tell me if the 2048 virtual limit for hardware acceleration still exists? [09:25] thanks, I think it is because of the new kernel I use [09:26] raendeer: just because it compiled successfully, doesn't necessarily mean that it will boot successfully (based on personal first-hand experience) ;-) [09:26] guax: me too :) [09:27] v3gard: oh, trust me.. I'm excited that it booted. I know better as to the successful compile :) [09:27] v3gard: which is why I try to always stick to stock [09:28] Blue_Arch86 (~arch@78.38.246.236) joined ##slackware. [09:28] Blue_Arch86 (~arch@78.38.246.236) left irc: Client Quit [09:29] Blue_Arch86 (~arch@unaffiliated/blue-arch86/x-0115684) joined ##slackware. [09:30] how do i increase the volume of a flash file for mplayer? it's too low. [09:30] Blue_Arch86 (~arch@unaffiliated/blue-arch86/x-0115684) left irc: Client Quit [09:32] Guest31469 (~tester@118.239.3.114) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [09:33] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-149.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:34] it aways compile [09:34] it aways give a kernel panic on the first 3 trials [09:34] =P [09:35] Guest60731, you what? [09:37] s0d1 (~sod@host86-175-233-149.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:37] how do I gracefully kill openvpn? [09:37] algor (~tester@118.239.3.114) joined ##slackware. [09:38] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:39] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:40] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:40] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [09:43] ALVAN (~galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. 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[09:47] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-125.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:47] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [09:47] of course you can use other signals like SIGHUP or something like that, but since you want to kill, murder with style [09:50] |slackin| (~slackin@32.128.207.134) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:50] Intel_BG (~intel@95.43.1.53) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:51] I always default to kill -9.. chances are, if I want to kill it, it's not behaving enough to listen to anything less [09:52] i always try -15 first [09:53] then go -9 if it doesn't cooperate [09:53] hrm, somehow I broke the hardware clock in doing the kernel [09:53] vvor (~vvor@bzq-79-178-36-245.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [09:53] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-119.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:53] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [09:54] first make sure you're not exceeding the speed of light [09:54] Hi, I have used a script that, while running on my server, outputted the Amazon ec2 estimated price for that configuration and work load. I can not, for my life, remember the name or find it on google. HELP! Thanks :-) [09:54] have you tried asking amazon? [09:55] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-150.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:59] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-150.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:03] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [10:04] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E3032.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:05] i will write my script with -15 which is kills default and see how that roles. [10:05] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-26-231.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:06] |slackin| (~slackin@32.133.234.3) joined ##slackware. [10:06] Skywise: is there not a switch for killing it like there is for services such as apache? [10:08] High_Priest (~MMF@nat/ibm/x-jcfhzytfqugqiwft) joined ##slackware. [10:09] hi [10:10] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-26-231.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:10] Aldaron, an /etc/rc.d/rc.fail2ban restart [10:10] resets all bans... [10:10] just don't know if it's good or bad [10:10] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-22-101.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:11] zux1wrk: allright, good to know anyway. But hey, I do that maybe twice a year ;). Do you use it on desktop? [10:12] xover: well apache has the means to kill itself coded, restartsare just passed on to the httpd process [apachectl is just a wrapper script really] [10:13] BP{k}: I just srcipted it using killall [10:13] Aldaron, yes, it's a desktop, but the uptime right now is 34 days anyway [10:14] i noticed, when i restarted it after changing configuration [10:14] i wasa just wondering about situations where maybe it should do a lifetime ban [10:15] like if a host get's a temp ban for the 10th time [10:15] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-22-101.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:17] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... 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[11:54] PiterPunk (~piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [11:54] Alan_Hicks (~alan@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [11:54] hello [11:54] vbatts (~vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [11:55] i have a question [11:56] i am watching my meminfo, and it looks a little strange to me [11:56] $ cat /proc/meminfo [11:56] MemTotal: 2979344 kB [11:56] MemFree: 79676 kB [11:56] why? [11:56] yeh, that would my question [11:56] in system activity i see max 700mb used [11:56] i have memory leak or something? [11:56] no [11:57] try running "free" [11:57] free -m [11:57] it's used for (disk) caches [11:57] Patero-ng (~Basura@174-23-28-214.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:57] hello [11:57] I have a tar.gz file [11:57] I want to install it [11:57] I can't tar -zfx why [11:57] some say to build it to tgz [11:57] but why double compression? [11:58] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:58] Asido: http://linuxatemyram.com [11:58] tar zxvf file.tar.gz [11:59] http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/9427/memw.png [11:59] this is free -m [11:59] vbatts, ping [12:00] thanks, jkwood, i got it :) [12:01] hrad (~a@94.241.73.13) joined ##slackware. [12:02] freelibrary (~notRoot@e176095107.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [12:05] Definitely an interesting read. [12:08] Patero-ng: f needs to be the last option, because the file name must follow f [12:09] what do u mean [12:10] he means xzf [12:10] i do that [12:11] look again more carefully [12:11] can u tell me how to activate infrared [12:11] no [12:11] you actually don't need z option anymore, tar will autodtect and call gunzip or bunzip [12:11] or xz :-) [12:11] but if it's a .tar.gz, I'm not sure it's going to be installable [12:12] so you only need x and f :P [12:12] whatever [12:12] can u tell me how to activate infrared [12:13] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E3032.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:13] did you already enable support in the kernel? [12:13] dont know [12:14] tar: You must specify one of the `-Acdtrux' options [12:14] that's what its telling me never happned to me b4 [12:14] euklides_ (~chatzilla@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [12:15] Patero-ng, well, you need to go into /usr/src/linux and make menuconfig [12:16] no menuconfig command [12:16] "make menuconfig" [12:17] dive: ACK [12:17] yes I tried compiling a kernel before I jsut fortgot some [12:17] I didn't success tou I tried downgrading [12:17] ok the blue screen opened [12:18] where do I go [12:18] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-28-19.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:18] use / for search [12:18] you really shouldn't set yourself up like that [12:18] cause i had about a million responses in half a second [12:18] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.105.42) joined ##slackware. [12:18] vbatts, problem solved now. I'm using your kde 4.3.1 packages and couldn't find quanta+. Seems that it's gone now. [12:19] hey vbatts hows it going? [12:19] can't find it [12:19] I did / typed infra and nothing [12:19] dive: yeah quanta is R-U-N-N-O-F-T [12:19] at least for the time being [12:19] switched to bluefish [12:19] GooseYArd: good sir, how about yourself? [12:19] http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Free-Software-Foundation-Google-should-free-the-web-from-Flash-and-H-264-936563.html [12:20] not too shabby [12:20] reminds me how I partially upgraded a virtual machine to gcc-4.4 and forgot to upgrade l/glibc* yesterday =) [12:20] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:20] dive: theres a few good ones. amaya is in SBo as well [12:20] GooseYArd, what's not to shaby means [12:20] freelibrary (~notRoot@e176095107.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:20] kompozer (formerly nvu) is a bit unstable, but still a good one [12:21] GooseYArd: is the snow gone yet? [12:21] I hate nvu/kompozer: you can't hand-edit [12:21] Camarade_Tux: you can [12:21] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [12:21] it's a tab [12:21] it's a serial device Patero-ng [12:21] vbatts: its kind of like a glacier now [12:21] at the bottom [12:21] basically, everything it doesn't render (might be a bit of php) will disappear next time you try to edit it [12:21] GooseYArd: nicely. [12:21] well i'm afk, for lunch plans [12:21] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.44.176) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:21] later all [12:22] cya [12:22] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.69.13) joined ##slackware. [12:22] how do i increase the volume of a flash file for mplayer? it's too low. [12:22] errr, my bad... [12:22] SunTzu: press * [12:22] Patero-ng, networking support -> IrDA subsystem support [12:22] ok; hold [12:23] I'm there some are set as M others * [12:23] Camarade_Tux no joy [12:24] either way my keybaoprd is not seem [12:24] Camarade_Tux i am aware of the */ func [12:24] SunTzu: run "alsamixer" and check the mixers of interest are as high as possible [12:24] MadneX (~MadneX@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:24] Camarade_Tux already are [12:24] SunTzu: if it doesn't work, check the manpage of mplayer, there is an option to increase audio gain [12:25] k [12:25] Patero-ng so, did you already install the infrared user-space tools? [12:25] probably nat [12:25] stef_208 (~stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [12:25] stef_208 (~stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Excess Flood [12:26] stef_208 (~stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [12:26] stef_208 (~stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Excess Flood [12:26] nick4b (~nick4b@195.74.225.107.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:26] stef_208 (~stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [12:26] stef_208 (~stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Excess Flood [12:26] so, that's the next step :) [12:26] stef_208 (~stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [12:26] to blow [12:26] stef_208 (~stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:27] I have no idea but I will ixquick it [12:27] ;) [12:28] hi, I have 2 identical network adapters on my motherboard and I'm assigning virtual interfaces to one of them (for having many hosts/IPs) with iproute2..the problem is that it doesn't obey rules.d and it the interfaces get renamed or switched [12:29] hmmm, if i chroot, will i still have access to the old $PATH? [12:29] *and the interfaces [12:29] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:29] does anyone know how DRIVER=="?*" work ? [12:29] cause I read this: DRIVER=="?*" key after SUBSYSTEM=="net" in MAC-based rules which will stop matching the virtual interfaces [12:29] but I'm not really sure how to use it [12:31] hrad, first of all, please stop with the multiline stuff. secondly, why are you trying to match network interfaces with udev? why not use rc.inet1.conf? [12:31] I think it's caused when ifconfig shut it down [12:31] Intel_BG (~intel@95.43.3.137) joined ##slackware. [12:32] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [12:32] Necos, rules.d is bellow rc.inet1.conf ....do you think that it is enough when you give them names ? [12:33] mac address matching doesn't work, I tried the bus position matching but it didn't help [12:33] have you looked in to doing that instead of using udev? [12:33] I guess that ifconfig and iproute do not work together when there are virtual interfaces [12:33] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [12:34] I did that [12:34] I'm still doing [12:35] adupuis (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [12:35] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.105.42) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:35] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:36] AFAIK, devices are detected in memory order, so whichever network card has the lower memory location gets detected first [12:36] Necos, if you look at rc.inet1 you'll see that rc.inet1.conf isn't enough . [12:36] so, if you modprobe twice, you'll get them in order [12:37] rc.inet1.conf has an alias section, IIRC [12:37] hrad: what file have to tried editing? [12:37] 70-persistent-net.rules [12:38] SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", BUS=="pci", KERNELS=="0000:04:00.0", NAME="eth0" [12:38] SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", BUS=="pci", KERNEL=="0000:0a:00.0", NAME="eth1" [12:38] hrad, pastebin that info please [12:38] KERNELS* [12:38] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-63-58.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:39] You should be able to match by ATTR [12:39] http://pastebin.com/d37c4c788 [12:40] brb [12:40] v4nelle (~van@79.103.136.171.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:40] apparently [12:40] irda support is isntalled on my slack as modules [12:40] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.86.97) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:40] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [12:40] but still my keyboard can't type [12:41] is it enough for the second interface to set only IFNAME and HWADDR in rc.inet1.conf ? [12:41] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [12:42] eXpl0i7 (~TuX@cable-188-2-245-37.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [12:42] Patero-ng (~Basura@174-23-28-214.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:43] euklides_ (~chatzilla@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:45] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.68.147) joined ##slackware. [12:46] Necos, I have to go now, if you figured out something, please let me know [12:47] Intel_BG (~intel@95.43.3.137) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:47] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [12:47] guax (~guax@189.4.99.110) joined ##slackware. [12:47] guax (~guax@189.4.99.110) left irc: Changing host [12:47] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [12:48] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-63-58.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:49] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:00] ok; 50.0 works but spkrs are over-mod'ing [13:00] tyvm [13:01] yup, 60 is *very* high [13:01] 50 too [13:01] and `-af' flag is needed [13:01] ok [13:01] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [13:01] and actually, the problem is not the speakers but the fact you can increase volume that way without artifacts [13:01] 25 sounds better [13:02] yea [13:05] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-58-237.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [13:05] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:09] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:09] hrad, udev rules work fine ... HWADDR in rc.inet1.conf is mostly used to overwrite the udev rules [13:10] you use HWADDR to change the interface MAC address [13:12] joannis (~joannis@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:13] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [13:14] zux (~zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:14] adupuis (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:17] hai. anyone able to help me crack open this nut? INPUT packet died: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:e0:4c:69:71:9e:00:02:61:24:e6:76:08:00 SRC=xx.xx.xx.xxx DST=xx.xx.xx.x LEN=70 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=116 ID=42205 PROTO=UDP SPT=13204 DPT=10 LEN=50 [13:17] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-59-71.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [13:19] ALVAN, they do, but when I assign some virtual interfaces to one of them with iproute, they don't [13:20] cause rc.inet1 uses ifconfig and ifconfig doesn't show what it should [13:20] anyone done any hacking with liblzma? [13:20] but it doesn't matter... [13:21] GooseYArd: ask your question (not that *I* can necessarily answer) [13:22] ah im trying to find someone who's already written a gzread/gzwrite type interface to lzma_stream_decoder [13:22] there's one in rpm5 but its going to be a chore to extract it [13:22] what would be their use? [13:23] well if you use libz, there are a couple different interfaces you can use [13:23] the most convenient one is gzopen, where you get a file descriptor and just write to it like you normally would [13:23] ah, mis-parsed your question [13:23] so i have a bunch of code that I've gradually migrated from zlib to bz2lib [13:24] but liblzma hasn't got one yet [13:24] -> #tukaani I guess [13:24] hrad you mean like ip alias .. you must add them with IFNAME= eth0:1 .. if you add more then 6 virtual address you need to increase MAXNICS in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1o [13:24] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:25] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:25] err is /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 [13:25] if you dont do that they wont work [13:25] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-63-58.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:26] ALVAN, I'm doing it with iproute [13:26] it's much better, I had some issues with the infconfig aliases [13:27] Camarade_Tux: yah i sent him a mail already [13:27] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [13:27] well, I meant irc channel but whatever fits you [13:27] but I guess that it shoudn't be done with interfaces set up with ifconfig [13:28] maybe that's the cause of these problems [13:32] ente (~ente@unaffiliated/n0nsense) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:32] Patero-ng (~coco@174-23-42-44.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:32] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:33] Axius (~fd@92.84.21.151) joined ##slackware. [13:33] hello [13:33] I need the driver for my printer [13:33] I found a site [13:33] but only drivers for fedora, redhat, ubutnu, mandrikulo [13:33] Patero-ng: what kind of printer? [13:34] not slack? :( help [13:34] www.linuxprinting.org [13:34] hp 610cl [13:34] I think [13:34] Patero-ng: is that a color printer? [13:34] oh sure [13:35] e5150 (~e5150@c-83-219-196-248.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [13:35] Patero-ng: try the hplip driver, it's universal [13:35] Patero-ng: well, it shouldn't matter. When adding the printer in CUPS trying just selecting the generic pcl5(e) driver and then do a test print. [13:35] no driver shows [13:35] empty fields [13:36] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.45) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [13:36] then you'll need to install them first [13:36] slackpkg install hplip, for instance [13:37] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:37] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.44) joined ##slackware. [13:42] I can't donwload it [13:42] |slackin| (~slackin@32.133.234.3) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:42] don't know what version that site u gave me has info only not downloads [13:42] http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install_wizard/index.html [13:43] not for my version ;( [13:43] Patero-ng: If you want to run antiquated software, you should switch to Debian. [13:43] I'm going bsd after slack [13:44] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [13:44] coolkehon (~coolkehon@unaffiliated/coolkehon) joined ##slackware. [13:44] come on please I need to print this labels [13:44] so i just installed slackware instead of fedora [13:44] Patero-ng: ? [13:45] so then waht's wrong [13:45] I tried raw printing dind't work [13:46] Kowalczy1 (~kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [13:47] Kowalczy1 (~kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:48] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:50] hrad, iproute should work too but you need to add then in rc.local so they last after reboot .... just use udev rules and after iproute in rc.local [13:50] reboot the server or restart rc.udev and rc.inet1 after you make the changes [13:51] and after run your iproute script [13:51] Action: sahk0 fuckin hates the xine devs for making xine-lib unable to build without an external ffmpeg [13:51] ente (~ente@barfooze.de) joined ##slackware. [13:51] ente (~ente@barfooze.de) left irc: Changing host [13:51] ente (~ente@unaffiliated/n0nsense) joined ##slackware. [13:52] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [13:53] whose printer do you have? [13:53] Patero-ng whose printer do you have? [13:53] hp 610cl [13:53] mitchx (misczu@internetlions.com) joined ##slackware. [13:53] k [13:53] usr13 (~te@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [13:54] HoldMyPocket (~schoward@63.241.180.212) joined ##slackware. [13:56] help! http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install_wizard/index.html [13:57] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [13:58] Patero-ng: What do you need? [13:58] Patero-ng: is this an IP printer or LPT? [13:58] is a printer server [13:58] I connected to it I need to specify the printer [13:59] freelibrary (~notRoot@85.183.133.34) joined ##slackware. [13:59] and so when you specify the printer, what happens? [13:59] john_dee (~id@95-29-13-177.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:59] there's nothing to select [13:59] I need to specifyu the driver [14:00] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:00] You need to give us more details. [14:01] Patero-ng: print server can mean many things to the general person today.. jet direct's are called print servers. So, lets be specific here considering you should have mentioned this part to begin with. Is it a server that is sharing a bunch of [14:01] printers through samba(or sometype) or is it a single device like a jetdirect that is changing this printers functionality so it can be networked and ip'd?? [14:02] is a ps110 [14:02] from 1999 same year my printer is [14:02] freelibrary (~notRoot@85.183.133.34) left irc: Client Quit [14:03] Patero-ng: http://kb.netgear.com/app/products/model/a_id/2513 this thing? [14:03] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [14:03] oh yea that's the one [14:06] Patero-ng: okay, in the Device URI try doing this, "lpd://ipaddress/L1" minus the quotes and replace ipaddress with the devices ipaddress. L1 = first parallel part and L2 = second port, change that accordingly. 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[14:11] Patero-ng: http://localhost:631/help/network.html#LPD http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/47/session/L2F2LzEvc2lkL2ROak9sY1Zq (i know it's for windows but you can translate the necessary info to set it up in linux. i have found some good [14:11] info here, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=netgear+ps110+linux [14:11] ps110s are nice [14:11] i have a bunch of ps101s here at the school [14:11] how come [14:12] we use them to replace the hp jetdirect 610s and 615s because they're about 6 times cheaper [14:13] never dealt with the netgear print servers, only jetdirects. they are awesome and imo worth the money. [14:13] well, considering we're an education institution, we can't always justify that to the school site council lol [14:14] mainly 'cause we don't always have the budget for it [14:14] Necos: which is too bad. but i'm sure setting this up aren't as difficult as this is panning out to be. [14:14] no, i just came back from stepping out of the office so i'm not even sure what happened lol [14:14] Action: StevenR has given with little addon print servers (it being sufficiently easy to just buy a kyocera N printer with everything all built in and lovely) [14:15] Patero-ng is having the problem? [14:15] *given up [14:15] Necos: Patero-ng is trying to setup the ps110 in cup's. [14:15] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [14:15] Patero-ng, what is it attached too? [14:15] *to [14:15] Patero-ng: treat it as an LPD printer. You'll need the appropriate PPD file for the printer. [14:16] what's the ppd the drivo?> [14:16] Asido (~asido@lan-84-240-5-116.vln.skynet.lt) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:16] StevenR: well these devices are the best when you have old printers, hp4,5, 4000's... etc.. that don't have the built in jetdirect. most printers that will be bought for businesses have that built in by default. [14:16] Patero-ng: what printer is it? [14:16] hp 610cl [14:16] ok, so, you need to setup an hp 610 printer in cups [14:16] no, no... don't complicate this. Patero-ng select the generic printer pcl5 driver. [14:16] agentc0re: yes. I know. It's just not worth doing for new printers. [14:17] we do it for new printers to, when the janitors manage to f'up the ethernet jacks when they move the tables to clean [14:17] *printer too [14:18] *printers too (wtf is wrong with me and typos today?) [14:18] Patero-ng: ok, so add the printer through the web interface, using lpd://IPADDRESSOFPRINTER/P1 for the uri [14:18] if it's attached to a ps110, he can just use socket://ip [14:19] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:20] petaflot (~dave@85-218-19-131.dclient.lsne.ch) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:20] slava_dp (~slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] Necos: we've found lpd to suck less for us for netgear ps [14:21] *shrug* [14:22] StevenR, either way :) [14:23] i just use socket, since i can use the beh backend [14:23] I'm sick [14:23] Catastrophy? [14:23] no idea... :P [14:24] do I need to specy the port? [14:25] por t 515 [14:25] no [14:25] coolkeho1 (~second@c-66-31-196-138.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:26] GooseYArd: what rpm compression needs do you have [14:26] chroot /tmp/package-mathematica [14:26] hi [14:26] i just install slackware [14:26] Patero-ng: read those links. you should also read the ns110 doc's because you obviously have no idea how this device works. [14:26] chroot: cannot run command '/bin/bash': No such file or directory [14:27] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [14:27] i thought chroot just re-ran bash and set / to pwd [14:28] nope [14:28] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:28] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [14:28] it puts you in /tmp/package-mathematica as though that was your new / [14:29] how do i start fluxbox [14:29] i set kde as the default window manager [14:29] but when i startup i get to the console, log in, then do startfluxbox and it gives and error about not being able to find a session [14:29] You can change the default with xwmconfig [14:29] the mathematica installer symlinks the binaries from /usr/local/SOMETHINGORANOTHER/, but i was going to try chrooting to build a more slack-worthy package [14:30] SlashQuit: thanks [14:30] coolkeho1, run xwmconfigm choose fluxbox, then run startx [14:30] Necos: and why not use the SlackBuild? [14:30] er xwmconfig* [14:30] but how come the startfluxbox command won't work [14:30] ok [14:31] because i didn't see one... [14:31] oops, my mistake [14:32] I meant mathomatic :) [14:32] Action: Necos stabs pprkut [14:32] dummy :P [14:32] :P [14:32] adrenaline (~repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:32] is there a better email manager than thunderbird [14:32] i need one thats good for gmail and the imap folders [14:33] the new thunderbird by default downloads everything -.- [14:33] i changed it but it still hogs up space [14:33] i was going to chroot, install it to /usr/lib/wolfram and have the links go in /usr/bin [14:33] coolkeho1, ummmm, what? [14:33] thunderbird supports imap quite well [14:33] i use it to access my exchange email [14:34] mhm [14:34] but it hogs up disk space [14:34] why not disable the offline stuff? [14:34] did just was looking for an alternative [14:34] this is the only one i've ever really used besides the web based gmail [14:35] so i wanted to see what else was out there [14:35] claws mail, sylpheed? Both on sbo. [14:35] mutt,pine,kmail all in Slackware :) [14:35] mhm [14:35] claws-mail ftw [14:35] I heard kmail is very good for imap, but as I never use imap I can't tell [14:36] lol, my first mail client at uni was pine [14:36] i want somethign with a bit more graphical [14:36] claws [14:36] mutt is good for certain mail [14:36] like small emails [14:36] or sylpheed, they are very similar [14:36] i have a ton of emails [14:36] i'll check [14:36] *email [14:36] ah poop... [14:36] i thought you said you only used thunderbird [14:36] yeah [14:36] kde 4.4 packages non-existant [14:37] but i'm looking to see what my options are [14:37] i just updated firefox twice :D [14:37] coolkeho1, mutt handles lots of mail. Fast too. [14:37] le_prof (~prof@198.20.32.1) joined ##slackware. [14:37] petaflot (~dave@85-218-19-131.dclient.lsne.ch) joined ##slackware. [14:37] I have 30 or so mailing lists, the same number of mboxes [14:37] dive: how can i set mutt up for gmail? [14:38] don't think it does gmail, but there are apps that do for cli. [14:38] heh, as a matter of fact, i use lightning with thunderbird for my google calendars :) [14:38] mhm [14:38] and it is f'ing awesome [14:39] Necos, is lighning the name for sunbird, or something different? [14:39] *new name [14:39] plugin [14:39] adds google calendar to thunderbird [14:39] ah [14:39] it's a plugin [14:40] sunbird is awesome too, don't get me wrong... but i like to have that stuff in one window [14:40] also i know what usenet is but how can i get a usenet account... for free [14:40] and with TB3, you can use tabs [14:40] Necos: did you look at the thunderbrowse plugin? [14:40] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [14:41] nice [14:41] both firefox and thunderbird have the update option [14:41] so they update themselves [14:41] nope, i do want TB and FF to be seperate tho :) [14:41] xover (~xover@host86-131-41-10.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:41] its good for links in my email [14:42] i can just click the link and it opens in a new tab in FF :P [14:42] so thrice`, correct chroot usage is chroot /tmp/package-mathematica/ /path/to/installer ? [14:43] GooseYArd: lzma is there [14:43] I think /path/to/installer is usually "command to be run". so, "chroot /mnt /bin/bash" would change your environment to /mnt, and execute the bash shell [14:43] GooseYArd: either in /usr/lib/rpm/macros or ~/.rpmmacros set "%_binary_payload w2.lzdio" [14:44] how do i get a usenet [14:44] account for free [14:45] By magick. [14:45] and/or google groups [14:45] But you already are disqualified, as you broke the first rule. [14:45] oh nooz [14:46] coolkeho1: IMO you should ditch gmail, not thunderbird if you want to use IMAP [14:46] gmail has IMAP [14:46] http://weblog.timaltman.com/archive/2008/02/24/gmails-buggy-imap-implementation [14:46] IMAP my ass [14:46] fixed probably [14:46] Two year old article? [14:46] its the not problem with gmail [14:46] ^ [14:46] *its not the [14:46] ? [14:46] jkwood: http://blogs.igalia.com/svillar/2010/02/09/dear-gmail-imap-server-developers/ [14:46] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [14:47] like i said, TB supports IMAP just fine [14:47] mhm [14:47] nvm [14:47] so i'm getting ready to add a user account [14:47] any suggestions [14:47] i've done it before [14:48] just had problems with not adding me to enough groups [14:48] adduser [14:48] -.- [14:48] i mean like which groups should i add me too [14:48] no success [14:48] Patero-ng (~coco@174-23-42-44.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:48] plugdev is usually a good idea [14:49] whats that? [14:49] A good idea? [14:49] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [14:49] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:49] don't stick your penis in the toaster [14:49] ^ a good idea [14:50] You ever tried? [14:50] no [14:50] so um [14:50] coolkeho1, for example: [14:50] [tessai@tessai:~ #]> groups [14:50] users floppy audio video cdrom plugdev [14:50] thanks [14:50] i want an encrypted home folder [14:50] Just press the UP arrow if you get to the question of what groups your new account should be a member of coolkeho1 [14:51] mk [14:51] coolkeho1, if you're saying you want it, you probably don't need it, so please do some prerequisite slackbook reading :) [14:51] mohaa (~nome@92.49.83.28) joined ##slackware. [14:51] just wanted to know if there was pam mount in slackware [14:51] i can just setup truecrypt to mount the home folder ;) [14:52] i've read slackbook already [14:52] just forgot the users [14:52] and i didn't add me to enough last time [14:52] pam is gross. [14:52] Action: Necos points up [14:52] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:52] haven't used it before. but this time i didn't do full disk encryption [14:54] pam? [14:54] pam is for authentication only. [14:54] *something* authentication module [14:54] pluggable [14:55] it works for folders too i think [14:55] I think you're thinking of something completely different. [14:55] gpg, perhaps [14:55] hun un [14:55] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [14:56] afaik pam works for anything that requires a password [14:56] Can pam encrypt files? [14:56] there's a luks module as well, so I can imagine it worksfor truecrypt too [14:56] Action: NaCl scratches his head [14:56] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-61-226.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] Action: coolkeho1 scratches his head [14:57] pprkut: I see. But is that for individual files too? [14:57] how does ubuntu encrypt its home folders [14:57] Action: NyteOwl scratches his ... feathers [14:57] it offers to do so on install [14:57] That's probably luks and lvm [14:57] i doubt that [14:57] they don't even have full disk encryption in the installer yet -.- [14:57] NaCl: uhm, maybe, no idea. If there's a specific module for that [14:58] Action: NaCl has no idea what he is talking about. [14:58] :D [14:58] doomey (~doomey@188.24.10.68) joined ##slackware. [14:58] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:59] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:00] they used encryptfs [15:01] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [15:01] Action: adaptr prefers blackholefs [15:01] lol [15:01] jspider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:05] jspider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:05] Nick change: KB1JWQ -> PancakeStaffer [15:06] mitchx (misczu@internetlions.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:07] Nick change: PancakeStaffer -> KB1JWQ [15:10] so...wth is akonadi/nepomuk and why do I want it on my slackbox? [15:10] does slapt-get handle dependencies? [15:10] also what is akonadi ? [15:10] coolkeho1: NO [15:10] slapt-get is bad news on Slackware. [15:10] why? [15:10] i just installed it [15:10] pipes (~pipes@jaki.org) joined ##slackware. [15:10] It's been known to break multiple systems in the past. [15:11] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:11] -.^ [15:11] it voids your warranty [15:11] slackpkg is the official network package manager for a reason. [15:11] oh [15:11] slapt-get is for distros designed for slapt-get. [15:11] well how do i use slackpkg [15:12] and what is that akonadi thing [15:12] you read the manpage? [15:12] one sec [15:12] akonadi is a pim cache [15:12] slapt-get would break systems only because people didn't know how to use it. it operates on a similar principle as slackpkg [15:12] a pimp cache? [15:12] ^ [15:12] pipes (pipes@jaki.org) left ##slackware. [15:13] akonadi makes sure you get paid [15:13] why does pim cache give me bad vibes? [15:13] gutter talk for "pmp cache"? [15:13] ananke: Much in the same way that dynamite works the same way as a shovel. [15:16] so whats the pmp cache [15:16] a pebcak version of "pimp cache" :) [15:16] the other side of the gutter [15:17] le_prof (~prof@198.20.32.1) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:17] what is the pimp cache? [15:18] coolkeho1: A bad joke. [15:18] then what is akondi for? [15:18] -.- [15:18] jkwood: bad? [15:19] i don't see how slapt-get can break my system [15:19] straterra: Under traditional meanings of the word, yes. Also under some untraditional meanings. [15:19] i'm only installing packages [15:19] i can remove them if theres a problem [15:19] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [15:19] coolkeho1, it's like saying I can put water in the gas tank, and if there's a problem remove it later [15:20] your car still has a problem [15:20] Axius (~fd@92.84.21.151) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:20] not the same thing [15:20] the main issue is that slapt-get uses repositories that are not slackware approved, and people will come here for problems that were created that are outside the scope of slackware support [15:21] it doesn't even have the packages i'm looking for [15:21] e5150 (~e5150@c-83-219-196-248.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:21] where can i find more packages [15:21] pre-built [15:21] Axius (~fd@92.84.21.151) joined ##slackware. [15:22] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [15:22] just remember that if you use slapt-get (or linuxpackages.net) that support in here will be rather sparse [15:22] if you are dependent on pre-built packages, you are on the wrong distro [15:22] And by rather sparse, we mean "non-existant". [15:23] i can install from source [15:23] also, don't forget the fireproof underpants [15:23] but it takes a while [15:23] alisonken1home: how [15:23] and along with that non-existant support you'll get lots of heckling and strange objects thrown at you [15:24] freelibrary (~notRoot@e176095107.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:24] there are slackware people here who take a dim view of slapt-get/linuxpackages.net and are vocal about it [15:24] and some of them help provide the slackbuilds for pat as well [15:24] so i can use slackbuilds huh [15:24] thats what i used before [15:25] i messed up the system trying to install gnome :P [15:25] slackbuilds.org is the unofficial 3rd party site for slackware [15:25] I am not opposed to slapt-get as such. I am opposed to the false sense of control it gives you [15:25] About the only "third party" packaging things supported here are A) slackpkg- written by PiterPunk and very well done if I do say so myself, and B) slackbuilds.org- which is only build scripts that can be easily audited, not packages created by God-only-knows who. [15:25] so it would be safe to 'slackpkg upgrade-all' [15:26] Alan_Hicks hits the nail on the head with "packages created by God-only-knows who" [15:26] I wouldn't say "safe", but "supported". Of course, if you do something stupid, we won't just bail you out. [15:26] as long as you _carefully_ read the changelog at slackware.com before doing upgrade-all and take note of changes to system stuff [15:26] Without quality control you're potentially lost [15:27] In other words, if you need assistance doing an upgrade (especially to -current), you probably should be doing one. :-) [15:27] i did slackpkg check-updates [15:27] and it said there was no news [15:27] at least the conversation is not as bad as "what if pat get's run over by a bus" from this morning [15:27] what version are you running now? [15:27] 13.0 [15:27] alisonken1home: but that was fuelled by manhunter who is a bit dim anyway [15:27] just installed it [15:27] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-420457.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [15:27] alisonken1home: That guy came back? [15:28] alienBOB: now that is not fair. [15:28] OK BP{k} - he is a complete asshole [15:28] coolkeho1, there is one caveat with 13 to -current and that's the change to libata, which means /dev/hdX will be changed to /dev/sdX - which makes for an interesting upgrade [15:28] better. ;) [15:28] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-420457.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:28] well i can always do a reinstall [15:28] jkwood: not that I know of [15:28] alisonken1home: it already says /dev/sdX [15:28] alisonken1home: I've seen that question asked before in here. [15:28] i'm on a laptop so eveything is sata [15:29] makes it easier then [15:29] jkwood: yeah, I've seen it before, especially when pat had that issue back a few years ago [15:29] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left irc: Quit: RED PILL OR DIE! [15:29] Shit! [15:30] Damnitall! [15:30] well i'm updating it now [15:30] Alan_Hicks: did you fall in the tub again [15:30] My boss threw away my spit bottle! [15:30] Action: coolkeho1 would have too [15:30] coolkeho1, you did switch to runlevel 3 at least before upgrade-all? [15:30] :P NO [15:30] Alan_Hicks: what no spitoon? [15:30] warning - kde get's updated :) [15:30] ok [15:31] well i'll restart it later [15:31] jkwood: that analogy makes no sense. slapt-get doesn't magically break systems. that's a myth. [15:31] so if i'm installing stuff with slackpkg can i install stuff with installpkg at the same time? [15:31] ananke: it can pull in mono without you knowing it if you're not paying attention [15:31] coolkeho1: imho, better avoid [15:32] yeah i though so [15:32] as long as it's not the same package, yes - but as Camarade_Tux notes, not recommended [15:32] ananke: Funny, the story I always hear is "I don't know how, but my system got broken." That seems magical enough to me. ;) [15:32] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [15:32] alisonken1home: on which release of slackware, and where from? by default it doesn't point to any repos [15:32] Axius (~fd@92.84.21.151) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:32] ananke: note what I said [15:33] and who decides which repo get's used :) [15:33] Axius (~fd@92.84.21.151) joined ##slackware. [15:33] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:33] is the java in slackware? [15:33] coolkeho1: you can mix the use of slackpkg and installpkg [15:33] alisonken1home: the user [15:33] correct - and what will the user do when they're lazy? [15:33] coolkeho1: The jre, or the jdk? [15:33] coolkeho1: java nad jre [15:33] zux (~zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [15:34] jkwood: both [15:34] jkwood: for that matter, upgrading with upgradepkg results in the same amount of problems [15:34] i'm doing some java programming [15:34] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-28-19.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:34] they hear about a particular package, but it resides on some repo that they don't check out [15:34] coolkeho1: jre is in /l, jdk is in /extra [15:34] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:34] alisonken1home: indeed [15:34] alisonken1home: even slackpkg users are easily breaking their systems by choosing the wrong repository - 32bit vs. 64bit [15:34] so i can just do slackpkg install jdk [15:34] and slackpkg install jre [15:34] Yup. [15:34] alienBOB: i choose the right one [15:35] alienBOB: a point that I made my self a couple of weeks ago :) [15:35] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ixhxknfxswqmrqdp) left irc: Quit: xMDKx [15:35] alienBOB: that seems to be the latest trend [15:35] PiterPunk's upcoming slackpkg release will fix that ananke [15:36] brb [15:36] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [15:36] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-28-19.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:36] is there a way to watch hdd performance? [15:37] alienBOB: that's cool. it will save a lot of frustration [15:37] zux: iotop [15:37] i'm trying to catch the bottleneck for my systems performance [15:37] iotop? [15:37] too slow =) [15:37] Camarade_Tux: so what's your suggestion? [15:37] alienBOB: oh that's cool, very cool. [15:38] ananke: _me_ being too slow ;-) [15:38] i don't have an iotop [15:38] Camarade_Tux: ahh [15:38] found it [15:39] Camarade_Tux: i thought you meant that iotop was too slow [15:39] thanks ananke Camarade_Tux [15:39] le_prof (~prof@198.20.32.1) joined ##slackware. [15:39] hmmm - I don't have iotop and it's not listed in any installed package lsit [15:39] list [15:40] i found it in sbopkg [15:40] ah [15:40] but looks like it needs a kernel recompile [15:40] so does slackpkg handle dependancies [15:40] coolkeho1: no. [15:40] does slackpkg handle dependencies? [15:40] le_prof (~prof@198.20.32.1) left irc: Client Quit [15:40] do - mistyped - slackware [15:40] alisonken1home: In the very same way that installpkg does. [15:41] coolkeho1: slackware packages do not contain dependancy metadata [15:41] yeah - I'm supposed to be asleep right now, but the construction guys in the back found a new way to keep me awake after they finished the blacktop [15:41] ananke, did you recompile your kernel for iotop to work? [15:41] Axius (~fd@92.84.21.151) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [15:42] zux: works fine with stock kernel [15:42] hmm [15:42] which I'm running right now [15:42] yeah i know [15:42] i think i'm also running stock kernel [15:42] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:42] unless you recompiled (which you should _know_ if you did) then you're running stock kernel [15:42] zux: which slack release are you using? [15:43] 13 [15:43] rreq is: Linux >= 2.6.20 with I/O accounting support (CONFIG_TASKSTATS, CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT, CONFIG_TASK_IO_ACCOUNTING) [15:43] 2.6.29.6-smp [15:43] k, then it should work. earlier releases likely won't [15:43] i dont think it does with 29.6 [15:43] Camarade_Tux, i'm having the same problem [15:43] how can i get flash (again)? [15:44] is there a package for it [15:44] doubt 32.x too [15:44] last time i just copied the .so file to the firefox dir [15:44] do it again [15:44] sahk0, why not? [15:44] sbopkg has flash and libflash [15:44] coolkeho1, flash it on sbo [15:44] no idea about slack's stock kernel, my kernel is a custom kernel [15:44] dive: its in sbo? [15:44] whats sbo? [15:45] slackbuilds.org [15:45] oh [15:45] or use the pkgtool-like sbopkg from chess [15:45] google sbopkg [15:45] zux: did you check which options iotop needs and if your config has them enabled? [15:45] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [15:46] sahk0, yeah, the stock kernel seems to have them disabled [15:46] um [15:46] what disabled? [15:46] i just slpit to view in konsole :P [15:46] grep TASKSTATS /usr/src/linux/.config [15:46] then i fail to see why you asked why. thats what i said too :) [15:46] how do i undo that [15:46] # CONFIG_TASKSTATS is not set. [15:46] maybe on 13.0, but iotop works fine under -current [15:46] ctrl+shitf+t doesn't open new tabs lol :P [15:47] Could not run iotop as some of the requirements are not met: [15:47] - Linux >= 2.6.20 with I/O accounting support (CONFIG_TASKSTATS, CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT, CONFIG_TASK_IO_ACCOUNTING): Not found [15:47] zgrep TASKSTATS /proc/config.gz [15:48] vvor (vvor@bzq-79-178-36-245.red.bezeqint.net) left ##slackware. [15:48] alisonken1home, the same result [15:48] seems like i'll have to recompile after all [15:48] check with the kernel rather than the source - if you haven't compiled the kernel you may not have the right settings you're searching for [15:48] zux: did you use grep or Zgrep ? [15:48] TASKSTATS not set on 2.6.29.6 [15:48] zgrep to the /proc/config.gz [15:49] k [15:49] TASK_DELAY_ACCT not found, TASK_IO_ACCOUNTING not found either [15:49] what about 32.x ? [15:49] well i got it fixed [15:49] ok - I'm on -current which has 2.6.32.7 [15:49] and on 64-bit [15:49] and it works for me [15:49] alisonken1home: are they enabled? [15:49] I'm on 2.6.32.8 [15:50] on 64bit [15:50] I only know about 2.6.29.6 because I have my own kernels and skip the kernel updates in -current so I keep the original files in /boot =) [15:50] 2.6.33-rc4, think I'll update to rc8 on tomorrow :-) [15:50] sahk0, yes they are enabled in mine [15:50] Camarade_Tux: Radeon 3200's required me to upgrade [15:50] and after that, I'll compile a newer X... [15:51] Cann0n: radeon 4200 behind my back [15:51] but KMS support is *really* nice [15:51] alisonken1home: cool, thanks [15:51] got AMD's ATI Binary drivers? [15:51] definitely not [15:51] no binary driver there [15:52] man, the Catalyst drivers are sweet. [15:52] it was the only way to get full 3d on the 3200 [15:52] open source drivers werent the best :( [15:53] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [15:53] the computer with the 4200 isn't running X right now, the screen is turned off and the screen is a ... 17" CRT [15:53] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [15:53] ah. this is a laptop [15:53] zux, you can also use dstat [15:53] I don't want binary drivers because I don't need them and open-source drivers will probably be more stable [15:54] don't bet your life on that [15:54] so you wont recompile the kernel if needed [15:54] ALVAN, thanks, already installing... :) [15:54] no doubt. in due time, opensource drivers will be top notch, but mesa-experimental just didn't cut it [15:54] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:54] i bet by the summer time, i will be able to run open source drivers [15:55] Bl0tt0 (~Bl0tt0@24-148-91-219.c3-0.stk-ubr1.chi-stk.il.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [15:55] this was the first time I ever needed binary drivers and i've been using ATI's forever [15:55] coolkeho1 (~second@c-66-31-196-138.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [15:55] zux, it has many options so a man dstat is required .. usually you look at disk access in MB and what process is running [15:55] war9407 (war@liquidswords.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:56] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [15:56] has anyone else noticed a problem with running elvis in a su environment under screen? [15:56] vim > elvis [15:56] it will not show that exactly a specific process takes the amount of disk access [15:56] Bl0tt0: which one? [15:57] true, Cann0n, but sometimes I don't really need all of the extra features of vim [15:57] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.69.13) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:57] Bl0tt0: ... [15:57] ALVAN, this can't be somewhere close to max read speed? 1404k [15:58] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-63-58.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:58] which what? Version of slackware? 13.0 arch? x86_64 [15:59] zux, you need to watch wit dstat the write and read access and what process take cpu and memory at that time, usually when you see disk access around 10M and more [16:00] well, makepkg on /tmp/package-mathematica is STILL running [16:00] it's not a small package [16:01] are YOU packaging that, or is it now open source ? [16:01] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:01] i mucked with the symlinks and just let it install in to /tmp/package-mathematica/usr/lib/wolfram [16:01] no i'm packaging it lol [16:01] I seem to remember mathematica was once a very expensive program [16:01] i can't understand why gqview loads my wife's pictures so slow [16:02] it still is, but for students it's $139 [16:02] but looks like it's not disk access problem [16:02] zux, something like dstat -M topcpu,disk [16:02] zux: I 'm not going to give the obvious answer to that, it will probably get me kicked [16:02] lol [16:02] yeah well i believe they should load faster... [16:03] from where ? [16:03] they are on the hdd [16:03] xorsurgeon (~xorsurgeo@S0106002719c8b3cd.cn.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:03] make a ramdisk, copy on the ramdisk, if it still takes a long time to load... [16:04] actually, bootchart could work too [16:04] tuxdev (~tim@75.15.116.140) joined ##slackware. [16:04] tuxdev (~tim@75.15.116.140) left irc: Changing host [16:04] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [16:04] see how fast they get copied to the ramdisk, too [16:04] (and strace of course) [16:04] i have no idea how to create ramdisk... [16:04] man mount, or google "loopback mount" [16:05] it's just a mount on tmpfs/shmfs you format, easy peasy [16:05] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-176-188.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:05] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [16:06] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: lalala [16:06] Action: adaptr remembers the hardest part was figuring out what the kernel named the loopback devices [16:07] mount -t tmpfs t /mnt/tmp [16:08] Camarade_Tux: that was before tmpfs :) [16:08] lol [16:08] tmpfs good for the soul :P [16:09] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [16:10] hey Necos [16:10] hey hey fire|bird [16:11] adaptr: ;-) [16:12] sweet! my little experiment worked with mathematica [16:12] google wants my /dev/shm :< [16:12] like i thought, from ramdisk they also load slower than i would expect [16:13] zux: that's odd [16:13] maybe i just have false belief how fast they should load..... [16:14] lol maybe, how big are the images? :P [16:14] 3-4M [16:14] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Quit: That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. [16:15] 3456x2304 pixels [16:15] a have argued with my wife for hundreds times about why the hell do you ever need those pictures so big.... [16:15] zux: future. [16:15] Why not? [16:16] Storage is cheap [16:16] storage is cheap [16:16] :O [16:16] why do? [16:16] i just hate unusefull waste of resources [16:16] it's just party pictures... [16:16] and 10 years down the road, when you have 10000x10000 monitor, those pics will still be good [16:16] lol yep [16:16] I record videos for youtube at 1080 because I can [16:17] i wish i had 10mp camera back in 95 [16:17] Me too [16:17] yeah, cause that'd mean you were a rich time traveler [16:17] lossless storage on "home" hard drives, lossy lower-q on anything you carry with you [16:18] speaking of quality, i need to sit down this week and write a script to lay out some photos for large format printer. i want to print a few pics on our 42" wide printer [16:18] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [16:18] ananke: just load the driver in CUPS already [16:19] well, i'm a minimalist, before i got married, i thought that this was forever: /dev/mapper/vg1-home 159G 137G 14G 92% /home [16:19] adaptr: it's not about the driver, it's about printing multiple pics in a row, next to each other [16:19] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [16:19] ananke: I understand, geez [16:19] adaptr: if earlier comment was a joke, i didn't get it :) [16:20] mohaa (~nome@92.49.83.28) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:20] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:20] lol [16:20] ananke: I am assuming that a 42" (textile? arch?) printer will not have a "CUPS driver" [16:21] seriously though, it's an interesting issue: how can i take X amount of pictures, and have them laid out next to each other to make a 42" strip. on top of it, i want to be able to easily say 'they have to be 4x6' or '10x15' [16:21] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [16:21] you want whats known as a layout tool, such as pagemaker [16:21] ananke: space filling problem, proven to be NP long ago [16:21] that's freaky >.> [16:21] but still, where might the bottleneck be in displaying those picture, mayby loading them into the video memory? [16:21] adaptr: it's a glorified inkjet, with 42" roll paper [16:21] adaptr: if it's postscript driven, it should [16:22] adaptr: actually, it's not an issue of space filling to max potential, it's about figuring out how to get those pics to be 4x6 or so [16:22] alisonken1home: ah, forgot about that goo dold standard [16:22] the issue of driver support is whether or not the paper size is included in the selection [16:22] and yes, it has PS3. we print from both windows and macs to it [16:22] that's an imagemagick problem, no? [16:22] ananke: surely imagemagick can help you out [16:22] anake, well that you can do with photoshop, and have them all reduced to the same dimensions [16:23] adaptr: that's the direction i started going to. it's just an issue with figuring out correct options :) [16:23] i just don't of linux equivalents [16:23] gimp [16:23] heh [16:23] Skywise: yeah, our PR group does that with photoshop and other similar tools, but i was hoping to get something automated [16:23] they may both manipulate images, but they're not equivalent [16:23] although that will choke just as badly on material that will end up being 10GB [16:23] Skywise: indeed they're not - photoshop is horrendously expensive! [16:23] ugh yeah [16:23] Skywise: this likely will be something we'll do more often: point to a dir of images, say 'print these images as 10x15' and have the output as big jpeg or pdf [16:24] sahko (~grbzks@ppp089210099105.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[16:25] you know what was great at doing resizing scripts was lview [16:25] ananke: imagemagick + some scripting can probably pull that off, actually [16:26] i use some bash+imagemagick to scale dirs of images for web upload [16:26] ananke, i'm pretty sure theres a batch function with photoshop [16:26] there is [16:26] you could probably get it to resize them and then stitch 'em together, adn then fire the result jpg at the printer (possibly via another layout app) [16:26] yeah. i got as far as having a one liner to stitch some photos next to each other, with a set space in between. issue i'm having is figuring out the 'photo is 10mpixels, so 35something by 2800something' to 'dpi' to 'make it 10x15 or so' [16:27] ananke: i think imagemagick has options to handle that kind of conversion for you [16:27] i'd just scale them to the same major dimension, crop anything beyond the minor dimension and then tile 'em [16:27] you don't need to do that. either keep everything in pixels or dpi + inches. convert(1) can do all that [16:27] !google gimp batch [16:27] exactly [16:27] wrong channel :_) [16:27] i'll need to sit down tonight again and start testing it [16:28] !google gimp batch processing [16:28] 64,100 Results | GIMP - Batch Mode @ http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Basic_Batch/ | DBP - David's Batch Processor @ http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hodsond/dbp.html | Batch Edit Your Images with GIMP @ http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/use-gimp-to-batch-edit-your-images-windows-specific-instructions/ [16:28] lol alisonken1home :P [16:28] oh noes, i'm getting old, i just found a hair growing out of my ear :( [16:28] ananke: http://www.imagemagick.org/www/mogrify.html [16:29] AgentAnderson is a bot on ##slackware-offtopic that helps :) [16:29] pupit: yep, that's what i was using [16:29] i wish i could get to my laptop now, i had my tiling command line there [16:30] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:31] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) joined ##slackware. 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[18:14] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.150) joined ##slackware. [18:14] what happened to distrowatch.net? [18:15] is that the right extension? [18:15] tld? [18:15] did google go away too? [18:15] .com ? [18:15] no, direct [18:15] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:15] many of my favorite pr0n sites went away [18:16] dismayed by your appetite? [18:16] he wore the server out [18:16] LOL [18:16] impossible. dial-up barely made a dent on the 4 hours per day [18:17] what's a good live dist for a non-linux user? [18:18] windows [18:18] ... [18:18] SunTzu: opensuse [18:18] he's on vista now; i've been telling him about linux already [18:18] slax [18:18] tried knoppix? [18:18] pupit why suse? [18:18] knoppix [18:18] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:18] SunTzu: why do you ask questions? [18:18] he's been in "school"; it's ending this week [18:19] Cann0n bc that is the mark of larnin :) [18:19] give him a slack12 dvd [18:19] I think most live cd's are ok. Depends what apps he needs. [18:19] he's got no knowledge to begin with slack [18:19] s/slack12/slack13 [18:19] dive he needs WP and light gaming for his children [18:19] SunTzu: he wont learn shit on ubuntu or similar dsitros. I started on slack [18:19] ubuntu has a nice one and you can boot and run it from the cd without touching the hd [18:19] SunTzu: I dont know really.... its good distro as slax and knoppix too.. [18:19] Cann0n as did i [18:19] pupit ok [18:19] freelibrary (~notRoot@e176095107.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:20] Skywise ok [18:20] ok ty [18:20] SunTzu: on knoppix, most of hardware should work [18:20] ok [18:20] slackware [18:21] or slackware based distros [18:21] people want to recruit other linux users but i don't, i'd rather have it all to myself [18:22] lol [18:22] yea, i like ftping the world [18:22] disable browser cache clearing [18:22] disable rm :) [18:22] you replace it with cp [18:22] Skywise: i prefer to think it this way: recruiting only leads to increased support on my part [18:22] heh [18:23] if someone starts on slackware, they will learn faster than using one based on fancy gui and automagical features [18:23] yeah, people gotta come to the well on their own [18:23] 'what do you mean i can't run my games? you convinced me to use this!' [18:23] go to #ubuntu and ask them how to edit a config file. they tell you to google it. [18:23] heh [18:24] Cann0n now, is that bc they dont know or bc it's a secret? [18:24] on ubuntu, its a secret [18:24] ah heh [18:24] go to #ubuntu and tell them the "sudo command" they tell you to repeat the the command without sudo, cause they are in root already .. [18:25] SunTzu: because ubuntu is NOT a techy distro. 1% of the people in there know how to compile a kernel [18:25] you should have a war [18:25] w00t! [18:25] i trust at least half the people in here know how to compile a kernel [18:25] right. because to use linux one must know how to compile a kernel, or even bother to do that [18:26] no, just saying. you don't learn anything with distros that are geared for idiots. [18:26] it helps when you don't know why your hardware ain't workin [18:26] Cann0n, Cann0n..... :) [18:26] lol [18:27] i have a valid point. :-D [18:27] Skywise: i have not had the need to compile a kernel in years, regardless of the hardware [18:27] Cann0n only half here? damn, that's low [18:27] Cann0n: lil bit harsh.. [18:27] ananke: i'we had to, because of hardware. [18:27] STRAW POLL: of 286 here, who can `make all' or the equivalent? [18:27] SunTzu: you'd be shocked as to how many people foul up a kernel install [18:28] that's not he point of the poll [18:28] he/the/ [18:28] it happens. i've fould up kernels before. [18:28] me too; that'st he porpose of practicing [18:28] if we're trying to figure out who knows their ass from a hole in the ground it'd proably be better to raise the bar a little [18:29] GooseYArd: LOL [18:29] and yet, only i've raised mine hand and Cann0n [18:29] let the kids enjoy their kernel compiling mad skills [18:29] 2/286; that's 1% [18:29] ananke is just sour because i made a point. :P [18:29] SunTzu: maybe because not everybody is interested in participating in such poll. seriously. [18:29] well, not quite [18:29] all they have to say is "me" [18:29] Cann0n: hardly. i just don't feel like going down your road. [18:30] i can give you some interview questions I give jr. candidates [18:30] SunTzu: that's called trolling? [18:30] nop [18:30] ananke: don't i live on 2.5 miles of sand. now my VW is having tranny problems [18:30] afk [18:30] i used to have kernel compiling related questions on my intervies for sysadmins. i no longer bother. that skill is no longer of much use for us [18:30] people still use afk? [18:31] afk is related to not using k :) [18:32] Action: pupit ...more after this commercials! [18:32] lol [18:33] i'd like to take some install disks to best buy... install slack on some display models [18:35] yes. vandalism as a method for popularizing slackware. [18:35] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:36] sounds like a pain in the ass [18:36] if you can make menuconfig, then what the hell [18:37] ananke: yeah then a couple of days later some tards from the geek squad would show up asking how the f to remove lilo [18:37] Skywise: hell you only need to _type_ make menuconfig [18:37] nah, they'd just ship the unit back as defective [18:37] ananke: why are you so negative? [18:37] so i think the question sunpoo was asking is whether we can type or not [18:37] are this negative when you have sex? "yes honey, your nasty vagina is touching my priwate parts. way to go" [18:38] s/priwate/private [18:38] lol; is there a sunpoo here? [18:38] some chix dig that [18:38] ahahhahahahh [18:38] sorry typo :) [18:38] ok [18:38] hardly but it is funi [18:39] Shuren (~Devilman@host200-237-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:39] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [18:39] SunTzu, what distro you use? [18:39] well how about that [18:39] slack [18:39] the liblzma guy has an xzopen for me [18:40] SunTzu: how long have you been apart of the linux community? (please hold the comment ananke) [18:40] before i answer, why do you think i've been apart? [18:40] you used afk... :D [18:40] i think he meant ajar [18:40] pupit: ahahaha [18:40] heh [18:41] yeah.... a part, apart... both sound the same. [18:41] oh, i get it; ive been using slackwware since 1995 [18:41] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:41] Action: Cann0n calls BS [18:41] lol [18:42] Action: Cann0n throws his longcoat on and steps out into the rain and leaves. [18:42] why do you think its bs? [18:42] ive been using it since 93 cannon [18:42] nothing strange there [18:42] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.68.147) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:42] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.68.147) joined ##slackware. [18:42] you asked us what linux for a non-linux users [18:42] except my ass being old [18:42] lol ive been skating since 93 [18:43] Cann0n tht just means that uim not up on the latest and greatest [18:43] uim/Im [18:43] you left oun s/... [18:43] s/oun/out [18:43] it can be infered [18:43] i have gotta build a desk this weekend [18:43] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:44] do you work at ikea [18:44] this deep cough + long legs does not make typing happy on the hands [18:44] IkeaL the camp ground? [18:44] so are my credentials acceptable? [18:45] SunTzu: what credentials? [18:45] 1995 [18:45] XD [18:45] you call that a cerdential? LOL [18:45] SunTzu: what does it matter? you're trying to impress someone on the internet... [18:45] you asked a question and i answered [18:45] my NPQ2 cetification is a credential [18:45] cut off his head [18:45] I actually AM impressing someone on the internet. [18:46] ahah [18:46] lol jkwood [18:46] jkwood: are you on amihotornot.com again? [18:46] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [18:46] Cann0n: Not Perfectly Qualified 2? [18:46] GooseYArd: Again? [18:46] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:46] eheh [18:46] jkwood: it's a fire fighting cert for the USA [18:47] though, i don't have a job so it doesnt do me any good [18:47] i had a data general terminal catch on fire one time [18:47] but that was attached to a DG-UX box [18:47] you cant smoke those [18:47] GooseYArd, do you say anything useful, or just whatever pops into your brain? [18:47] lol [18:48] stream of conscious type stuff [18:48] i thought thats what everybody was doing [18:48] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:48] no, just you. :) [18:48] GooseYArd heh [18:48] i havent heard anything useful in at least 45 minutes [18:48] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [18:49] shut up :) [18:49] actually my remark about the burning terminal was in response to Cann0n [18:49] ah [18:49] 's firefighting certification [18:49] Error: Printer on fire [18:50] yeah, i was commenting on SunTzu's credential comment [18:50] i've seen a coke machine catch on fire [18:50] i love that error msg; i've gotten it too [18:50] thrice`: actually im bored waiting for a huge job to finish [18:50] GooseYArd: huge blow job? [18:50] i wish [18:51] That's actually code for "I had Taco Bell for lunch." [18:51] man i wish that too [18:51] lol yeah... i haven't had a female touch me in 2 months, and that was because her elbow touched mine [18:51] lol [18:51] oh oh; confessionals [18:51] i should leave [18:51] Cann0n: are you married too? [18:52] BWAHAHAHAHA [18:52] :) [18:52] nope. i can't keep a girl longer than 6 months [18:52] you dump em [18:52] right? [18:52] no, they get loose [18:52] i either get tired of them or they cheat on me [18:52] it's about 50/50 [18:52] no he means once they get older than 6 months they dump him [18:52] He buys these cheap chains, you seee. [18:53] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] jkwood: lol [18:53] lol [18:53] it's the locks [18:53] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:53] I'm sure straterra could give you some great advice on keeping girls in the basement. [18:54] stfekunz (~the-only-@kronos.fhrz.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [18:54] oh ahaha my dumb ass thought you meant jewelry [18:54] Shuren (~Devilman@host200-237-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:54] LMFAO!!! [18:55] yeah, this went too far.. [18:55] Felini's basement? [18:55] we are clearly off topic [18:55] so, how about that 2.6.32.8? [18:55] very offtopic. offtopic chatter = ##slackware-offtopic ;) [18:55] brb my kids arent going to beat themselves [18:55] Mine will. [18:55] heh [18:55] lol [18:55] rofl [18:56] omg thats too funny [18:56] lol yeah [18:56] that should be bash.org'd [18:56] good laughs. gotta love #slackware [18:56] oh yea [18:57] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-135-172.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:57] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-112-130.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:58] stfekunz (~the-only-@kronos.fhrz.h-da.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:01] stfekunz (~the-only-@kronos.fhrz.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [19:01] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:03] goarilla (~goarilla@184.181-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [19:03] stfekunz (~the-only-@kronos.fhrz.h-da.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:03] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [19:06] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-112-130.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [19:06] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-65-110.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:07] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-167-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:07] _slax0r_ (fire@slackware.x-shells.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [19:08] Cann0n: 'negative'? i'm not the one talking about vandalising display computers at best buy. you are. [19:09] SunTzu: well we have something even better, noobfarm.org [19:09] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:09] le_prof (~prof@dsle235.ody.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:10] ananke: there you go again, being a negative nancy [19:11] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-167-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:11] negative? this has nothing to do with negativism. you're being called out for juvenile ideas, and now you're whining about it [19:11] s/negativism/negativity [19:12] i meant negativism [19:12] i meant negativity [19:12] PathagenX (~pathagenx@125-238-63-148.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [19:12] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:12] I meant narcolepsy. [19:12] lol [19:13] slacker for life [19:13] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [19:13] either of which are irrelevant. go ahead, and act juvenile. just don't drag slackware into it [19:14] ananke: what are you babbling about now? [19:14] Cann0n: 18:33 Cann0n> i'd like to take some install disks to best buy... install slack on some display models [19:14] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:14] why does that piss you off so much? [19:15] it doesn't piss me off at all. i think you attribute too much weight to your comments [19:15] you got some major attitude issues dude. this is the internet. if i told you I was a trillionare, you'd believe me? [19:15] i'm noting that this is nothing short of vandalism, and now you're whining how i'm 'negative' [19:16] issues? i'm not the one who comes up with such juvenile ideas. interesting perception you got there [19:16] Action: Cann0n yawns. [19:16] ananke: it's the internet. get over it dude. take a break. go see the sun light once and a while. [19:16] Action: Delahunt injects both Cann0n and ananke with valium >8-) [19:17] Delahunt: that first injection didn't work. i need another. [19:17] Cann0n: it's sad that you think your lack of sun rays extends to others [19:17] ananke, we all have the good sense to stop our meanderings and meaningless diatribe when channel traffic demands it . Whay in the world would you even start to set yourself up as the moral police of #Slackware . just stfu and go with it and download a sense of humor from somewhere while you're at it . [19:17] ananke: why do you continue dude? who are you trying to impress? [19:18] kop: ironic, isn't it. you accuse me of being a #slackware police, yet you're the one trying to police me. [19:18] Cann0n: again, you assume that i have to impress somebody. [19:18] ananke: you are looking desperate to win an eFight. [19:18] ananke, you just made my point why the hell even respond [19:18] yeah, it wase like 30 minutes in the past. we all moved on [19:19] Cann0n: not at all. i'm just pointing out that your idea of installing slackware on best buy computers is a juvenile one. you're the one defending it, and acting like a twelve year old [19:19] Cann0n, ...so a baby seal walks into a club [19:19] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [19:19] Action: Delahunt injects both Cann0n and ananke with valium >8-) again [19:19] kop: lol i like where this is going [19:19] kop: why did you respond? [19:19] Delahunt: got any morphine? [19:20] is the special olympics on again [19:21] Cann0n, not my Distro nor my cup of tea . but if you ever want someone to insult your very being and offend what sensibilities you have left I'm not that hard to find [19:21] sec0nd (coolkehon@bnc2.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [19:21] thanks for pointing me to sbo whoever it was [19:21] lol thanks kop [19:22] saves me a bunch of time :D [19:22] ##slackware at its finest [19:22] how do i disconnect my screen session :P [19:22] i forgot the key [19:22] ctrl-a d [19:22] i want it to stay open after i disconnect [19:22] sec0nd: Ctrl-A D [19:22] thanks [19:22] sec0nd: if you disconnect, it will remain running. [19:22] im back on the screen wagon at a fling with tmux [19:23] ananke, first intelligent thing I've heard out of you in 10 min . There may be hope for you yet [19:23] lol [19:23] lol [19:23] after a fling [19:23] kop: and somehow you think that qualifies for a smart remark? you're on Cann0n's level [19:23] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:24] come on, kop scores a zinger and you come back with that? [19:24] call his mother something [19:24] ananke: please stop alrleadyp it's getting OLD. you sound like me baby sister [19:25] heh [19:25] already* [19:25] Cann0n: and why aren't you done whining yet? [19:25] maybe a very brief history lesson is in order here . Can anyone here tell be what the connection is between J R "BOB"Dobbs and Slackware ? [19:25] they both smoke the pipe [19:25] google can [19:25] use it [19:25] lol [19:25] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [19:25] kop: eh... diaf [19:25] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.54.23) joined ##slackware. [19:25] :D [19:26] oh wait, /ignore *face palms* [19:27] hmmm /ignore * ? [19:27] |slackin| (~slackin@adsl-70-93-26.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] |slackin| (~slackin@adsl-70-93-26.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:27] argh, i need desk [19:27] are you using your laptop on the shitter? [19:27] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [19:28] i do sometimes. goet the 100 foot phone cord [19:28] my thighs are too short, i cant type properly [19:28] lol [19:28] i was thinking of putting a chumby in the can for those occasions [19:28] i don't have a desk. i'm sitting on a futon and my laptop is far from sitting flat. [19:29] Ok so it's a bit obscure but It's more than a rumor that Slackware derived it's name from Patrick's affiliation with the church of the subgenius and other random contact wit alt.slack [19:29] i actually have to hold it from tilting from the weight of the lcd [19:29] so sit cross legged. good for the psoture and it will level the laptop :) [19:29] kop: maybe. who wants to know? [19:29] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [19:29] all hail "Bob"! [19:30] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.54.23) got netsplit. [19:30] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-65-110.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) got netsplit. 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[19:31] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.54.23) returned to ##slackware. [19:31] GooseYArd: it's monday? [19:31] "funny thing about weekends when you're unemployed; they dont mean quite so much" [19:31] that's what i get for quiting my job and buying that stupid picture of mr. dobbs. [19:31] thanks [19:32] screen -r is nice [19:32] so self deprecation , more than passing irreverence toward any theology other than your own and a passionate distaste for the "norm" are very much on topic and part of what Slack is [19:32] kop: also buying a lot of t-shirts [19:32] sec0nd: and -d is useful if that session is in use by something else [19:32] sec0nd: screen -x is nicer. You can jump into it from multiple locations, then. [19:32] whats the -d do [19:32] whats -x do [19:32] man pages [19:32] sec0nd: check the man page :) [19:32] mhm [19:32] T-shirts , must remember T-shirts , my bad [19:33] I use -DRU [19:33] opening a newindow now [19:33] GooseYArd: I use -DoOr [19:33] :D [19:33] oh yeah well i used to use -DEADBEEF [19:33] but it never worked [19:33] :) [19:34] man im not crazy about doxygen [19:34] sec0nd: http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi [19:34] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [19:34] i'm using screen + irssi on a shell account [19:34] "lets write a big fucked up class hierarchy and instead of writing docs, we'll run the whole mess through a script that prints out html versions of the headers" [19:34] sec0nd: me too [19:35] sec0nd: are you a bitlbee user by chance? [19:35] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) returned to ##slackware. [19:35] I now return to being the irreverent , inscrutable , irascible , iconoclastic (at least in my own mind) sad , sick and wrong old man you have come to know and view with either disgust or through binoculars at a great distance [19:35] kop: use a telescope, it's measier [19:35] -m [19:35] kop: are we related? [19:35] O.o [19:36] jeev (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) got lost in the net-split. [19:36] tmm1 (~weechat@208-75-84-157.slicehost.net) got lost in the net-split. [19:36] KB1JWQ (~KB1JWQ@freenode/staff/kb1jwq) got lost in the net-split. [19:36] jumperboy (~jumperboy@gl206.websiteproject.net) got lost in the net-split. [19:36] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) got lost in the net-split. [19:36] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) got lost in the net-split. [19:36] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) got lost in the net-split. [19:36] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) got lost in the net-split. [19:36] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) got lost in the net-split. [19:36] don't use a smell-o-scope tho [19:36] Cann0n: meatier? [19:36] i like meaty girls [19:36] GooseYArd, relatively [19:36] ok good otherwise the similarity was creepy [19:36] jeev (~email@174.139.9.42) joined ##slackware. [19:36] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:37] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] GooseYArd: nope what is bitlbee [19:38] sec0nd: its a IM/IRC proxy/client type of deal, with irssi it is phenomenal [19:38] now I can talk to all my retard friends who insist on IM from the comfort of my irssi session [19:39] lol [19:39] i hate AIM [19:39] bitlbee also does OTR very nicely, which I use at work [19:39] mohaa (~nome@92.49.76.207) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:39] OTR markers? [19:39] i dont mind it I just hate having a bunch of different clients constantly signing off and on [19:40] otr, off-the-record, its a protocol neutral encryption thingy for im [19:40] has strong crypto and plausible deniability [19:40] KB1JWQ (~KB1JWQ@freenode/staff/kb1jwq) joined ##slackware. [19:40] _fraktil_ (~fraktil@cneerouter.sbcc.edu) joined ##slackware. [19:40] there is no off-the-record here [19:40] oh. OTR Markers make the best markers with the best ink. [19:40] not that im worried people are stealing my datarz but its handy for talking about work stuff over aim [19:42] GooseYArd: hope they don't find your pedo pics [19:43] pi31415 (ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [19:43] well thats the thing about bestiality [19:43] its in dog years, so im cool [19:44] GooseYArd: I love you. [19:44] i just spit coffee everywhere [19:45] "afk" [19:46] :) been surreal guys cyas [19:46] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [19:47] oh great [19:47] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] so GooseYArd with biblee i can talk to people on msn [19:49] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:49] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:49] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [19:51] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:53] HoldMyPocket (~schoward@63.241.180.212) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:53] _fraktil_ (~fraktil@cneerouter.sbcc.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:55] beginning web development looks like it will require a large number of uneducated choices(platforms, languages, frameworks, etc...) =/ [19:55] le_prof (prof@dsle235.ody.ca) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:55] ? [19:56] zaltekk: learn html first [19:57] Cann0n: I know HTML. Or rather, I should say I _knew_ HTML. [19:57] it's xHTML now [19:57] learn that and php and you'll be good [19:57] :) [19:57] ew. php. [19:57] then learn asp [19:57] I guess I need to learn CSS as well. [19:57] java [19:58] lol [19:58] I'd learn css before php heh [19:58] ajax [19:58] mhm [19:58] yes css [19:58] html, css, js [19:58] java sucks for web developemnt [19:58] learn cgi [19:58] mk [19:58] java can die [19:58] no one said cgi... [19:58] then maybe consider what might suit your needs for higher level langs [19:58] HTML, CSS, JavaScript, AJAX, and then (PHP/Python/Ruby/Perl) + one of the frameworks [19:58] cgi is a given heh [19:58] anyway, it's a protocol not a "language" [19:59] i got some web dev books i don't want. i'll sell you 1000 bucks worth of books for 50, plus shipping [19:59] AJAX is a development style, not a language [19:59] AJAX is a buzzwork for integrating xhtml, css and javascript [19:59] I goh 12 books i'll sell you CHEAP [20:00] perl is quite nice but it's faster to learn php :) [20:00] I know that it isn't a language. My understanding is that it is a way to use JavaScript to execute in the browser to do stuff like FaceBook pulls off. [20:00] alienBOB, have you tested - http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/gspcav1/pkg/12.2/ on some Genius cameras perhaps? [20:00] NyteOwl: but you'll hate yourself less later if you learn perl or python [20:00] it's also a problem when a site requires it as more people sue things like NoScript to protect themselves [20:00] Razec (1000@187-27-219-87.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:00] anyone know how to install compiz in slackware [20:00] java, php, cgi, asm, xml, html, java2, js, two degining books [20:01] google seems to have alot of mixed results [20:01] sec0nd, compiz is included with slack [20:01] hackedhead: true :) I learnt PERL long ago [20:01] I see so much FUD about PHP and Perl from people advocating Python and Ruby [20:01] sec0nd: it's like any other program [20:01] iunno much about perl, but php scans nearly as poorly as VB, imo [20:01] oh [20:01] I really don't see Python for web development. Ruby is not bad but for most things seems a bit of overkill [20:02] and good luck getting compiz to work... [20:02] on the other hand, php is _evrywhere_ [20:02] i got books on perl, vb, and tons of unix books [20:02] and linux [20:02] now if only Cann0n could read ... [20:02] Action: NyteOwl ducks [20:02] it's usually php for pages and perl for cgi [20:02] NyteOwl: i don't see perl for any full-blwon, app, but eh, people do it [20:02] NyteOwl: s/could/wanted to [20:02] spamassassin *cough* [20:03] stay far far away from VB if at all possible [20:03] it will melt your brain and you'll never be good at anything [20:03] activex ftw! [20:03] i had to doa project in it last month and i'm still recovering [20:03] yes, vb6 was so easy and stupid, it's not worth touching, but i still got books on it [20:04] Action: Cann0n notes that he didn't buy the vb books [20:04] bought the rest, just not the dos, vb, or delphi [20:04] Cann)n: I'll take any books you don't want :p [20:04] Delphi was nice - on DOS [20:04] and win3 [20:04] i'm looking to make some money off of it. lol. [20:04] Cann0n: got a list of titles? [20:05] i got a collection of Apple II-e programming manuals [20:05] heh [20:05] I still have my manuals for a DecSystem-10 :) [20:05] NyteOwl: i'll do that later tonigh. they are all old though. like, 98-2003 [20:05] 36-bits forever! [20:05] accopet the apple manuals, which are 80s [20:06] and the dos, which is earlf 90s [20:06] I think I have the into manaul for the old IBM 170 [20:06] nice [20:06] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:07] sec0nd: sorry i missed your msg, im pretty sure it does msn [20:07] I have a bunch of old DEC books [20:08] bitlbee listens on like localhost:6667, and you connect up, tell it about your im accounts, and it converts the messages into privmsgs [20:08] NyteOwl: what kind of material? [20:08] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.54.23) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [20:09] Andrea20 (~dfgfdgdfg@190.0.175.15) joined ##slackware. [20:09] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-61-226.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: No route to host [20:09] Andrea20 (~dfgfdgdfg@190.0.175.15) left irc: Excess Flood [20:09] GooseYArd: some hare hardware specs, others system operations manuals. A coupleof programming manuals. They're in a box. I have (or had) a full set for the Dec-10 and stuff for PDP8 & 11's. Even a RTOS manual set [20:10] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) joined ##slackware. [20:10] Action: NyteOwl is ancienet and a packrat so his basement is a miniature Smithsonian [20:10] i can't find compiz [20:10] you know the thing with the desktop cube [20:10] i think i need to install it [20:10] NyteOwl: hah neat [20:11] sec0nd: check /extra [20:11] on the dvd [20:11] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.19.171) joined ##slackware. [20:12] ? [20:12] hmm [20:12] should i use slackpkg to isntall compiz [20:13] slackpkg says its installed [20:13] i need the settings manager [20:14] then get it. [20:14] If you're running KDE 4, it has the desktop cube included. [20:15] i'm on xfce [20:15] Cann0n: thats what i'm asking [20:16] what would be a trustworthy place to find a good guide to installing it [20:16] why use xfce with compiz? [20:16] kde4 has it integrated [20:16] like jkwood said. [20:16] man this girl hockey is not bad [20:17] the reason I use xfce is because it's faster, but there isn't a point if you are going to be running compiz in the bg [20:17] gtg. have to fax something [20:18] well what about fluxbox [20:18] can't use compiz with fluxbox [20:18] and fluxbox is my #1 fav [20:19] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:19] but, this new laptop is pretty fast, so i'm not worried about using fluxbox [20:19] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:20] PathagenX (~pathagenx@125-238-63-148.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:20] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:22] mohaa (~nome@92.49.76.207) joined ##slackware. [20:24] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. 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[20:43] CaptObvi1usman (~The_Capta@antimatter.interrobanger.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:45] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [20:46] NyteOwl (sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [20:47] is there another terminal like window manager similar to screen? [20:47] i've found twin and i'm building/installing now so i can test it [20:47] but are there any others? [20:49] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:50] mohaa (~nome@92.49.76.207) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:51] Razec (1000@187-27-219-87.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:52] v4nelle (~van@79.103.136.171.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:53] le_prof (~prof@dsle235.ody.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:55] sec0nd: is there something screen doesn't do that you want it to? [20:55] bostrt (bostrt@24-176-69-084.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com) left ##slackware. [20:56] brokedown: side by side windows [20:56] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:56] hi andarius [20:56] greetings and salutations [20:57] salutations NyteOwl, how goes it ? [20:57] it goes, thanks. yourself? [20:58] prepping chow, so not too bad :) [20:58] hi andarius [20:58] salutations sec0nd [21:01] le_prof (~prof@dsle235.ody.ca) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:04] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-63-131-54-26.pit.onecommunications.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:04] jhw_ (~jhw@p5B3E3281.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] sec0nd: tmux is another [21:05] oh you mean an X window manager like screen? [21:05] another terminal manager [21:05] i want multiple terminal sessions [21:05] ah yah [21:05] -.- [21:06] tmux [21:06] hard to explain [21:06] i want it like screen though [21:06] terminal multiplexers theyre called [21:06] so if x windows server isn't working then it will work [21:06] yeah [21:07] thanks GooseYArd [21:07] :D [21:07] slackware is nice [21:07] glad i have sbopkg [21:07] would have taken me much longer to get this done [21:07] its very convenient [21:07] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E3032.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [21:08] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-59-71.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:10] geezer (~prof@dsle235.ody.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:11] mohaa (~nome@92.49.76.207) joined ##slackware. [21:12] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [21:21] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-54-204.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [21:23] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) joined ##slackware. [21:29] Elive_user84_en (~Elive_use@189.70.54.66) joined ##slackware. [21:29] hi! [21:29] hi [21:29] hi [21:29] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:30] sorry, i'm drunk for speaking english right [21:30] aceofspades19 (~jordaneva@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] ops, write [21:31] anybody use e1(6|7) on slackware? [21:32] geezer (~prof@dsle235.ody.ca) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:33] Elive_user84_en (~Elive_use@189.70.54.66) left irc: Quit: irch! blargu! [21:34] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [21:36] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:37] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:40] geezer (~prof@dsle235.ody.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:41] hello people [21:42] ello machine [21:45] does anyone discuss specific issues with -current in here? [21:45] I am sure many users will [21:45] mg4001 (mg4001@cpe-76-93-28-217.socal.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:48] geezer: of course.. it is a slackware channel :) [21:50] sorry, first time in [21:52] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:53] noobish (~efu@c-67-181-57-232.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] where does one go to discuss GPL licensing issues involving non-GNU programs? I have a violation but the copyright holder is the one doing the violation... Not sure what to do for remediation... [21:54] anavel (~Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Quit: Real_Life(); [22:02] copyright holders can't violate a licence on their own intellectual proerty :) [22:05] yeah i figured but how can someone release something with source, call it gpl, then say oh it's closed now [22:05] i thought they'd have to forever offer the source for the last gpl'd release [22:05] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [22:05] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:08] -.- [22:08] noobish: you can change the copyright [22:08] with each version [22:08] right i don't care about the new version [22:08] i'm releasing a program. [22:08] i want thre source for the past GPL releases [22:09] well you can't force someone to accept the previous versions. hmm [22:09] *shrugs* [22:09] asking in #gnu [22:10] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:10] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:11] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-71-191.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [22:11] as I understand it noobish, the GPL gives the owner the right to make, modify and redistribute programs if they choose to...you can't force them to give you a previous version [22:11] hello [22:12] root@darkstar:~# man adduser [22:12] No manual entry for adduser [22:12] -.- [22:12] any ideas [22:12] man useradd? [22:13] :P [22:13] thanks [22:13] sec0nd: adduser is self explanitory, prompts you at each step of the way [22:13] oh [22:13] tried --help and it kept giving me the uuid prompt [22:13] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) left irc: Disconnected by services [22:13] just wanted to see options [22:13] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) joined ##slackware. [22:15] i don't think so geezer. It places the restriction on the distributor that if they distribute binaries, they are obligated to provide source upon request. [22:15] I just went through the faq and fsf.org [22:15] but... there was no copy of the gpl distributed with the binaries that i downloaded... [22:16] blah [22:18] á [22:18] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.19.171) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [22:18] :O [22:18] noobish (~efu@c-67-181-57-232.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: [22:19] users in the wheel group must supply their passwords to use sudo right? 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[22:27] Action: andarius isnt an electrical engineer, but he can install a lightbulb :) [22:27] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [22:28] (Sorry about the offtopic, my chances appear better here than #ee though) [22:29] geezer (~prof@dsle235.ody.ca) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:29] so umm, ask your question and try your luck [22:30] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:30] You just joined here to ask a circuits question? [22:30] heh. [22:31] I'm trying to get a Thevenin equivalent for an LED, and was wondering whether 345 ohms @ 2.00 V was a sensical value [22:31] diodes are nonlinear [22:31] In the forward direction [22:31] NaCl, I'm a Slackware guy, but honestly tried #ee first [22:31] Figure that there are enough people here that my chances are better (only 4 there, including me and ChanServ) [22:32] Good old ChanServ couldn't help? :P [22:33] I actually don't recall any of this stuff, sorry. [22:34] no worries, it's just a sanity check [22:34] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] Yivz (~yiv@adsl-232-69-194.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.150) joined ##slackware. [22:41] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:42] Hi, I'm trying to scp a local file to a remote destination but the command line keeps jumping to ">", i.e. $> scp ./file.txt user@192.168.x.x:"C:\remote". [22:42] hrad (~a@94.241.73.13) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:44] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:44] artv61 (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:45] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] Yivz: does scp glides on Windows too? [22:47] scp /somefile user@host:/some/folder [22:48] the jumping down to the next line and presenting a ">" indicates the command is incomplete. perhaps your "" are not in the right place [22:48] pupit, I switched from "\" to "/". [22:49] veritos (~veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:49] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:49] ananke pointed out that "C:[\r]..." was the culprit. [22:50] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] oh, then it sovles it [22:52] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:01] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [23:02] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [23:04] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] lannders (~lannders@193-25.26-24.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[23:54] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:55] anavel (~Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [23:55] sirscott (~scott@c-71-229-182-62.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:56] Alright, Ive got this older system that did not come with an audio group. So /dev/dsp is root:root. I added the audio group, added my users to it and am now trying to make it so that /dev/dsp is root:audio. I modified an existing udev rule, but it seems to have no effect. [23:57] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [23:58] udevtest /class/sound/dsp shows a few lines, one of which is "creating device node '/dev/dsp', major=14, minor=3, mode=0660, uid=0, gid=31. [23:58] So you'd think that /dev/dsp would be root:audio. But..it's not. Any ideas? [23:58] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. 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