[00:04] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:04] hba (n=hba@189.188.158.89) left irc: "leaving" [00:04] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "leaving" [00:08] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:08] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [00:09] is there really any reason for me to be using jfs or xfs [00:10] tgz: I don't know, is there? [00:10] thanks for being totally useful [00:10] anyone else want a shot? [00:10] It depends on what your needs are. [00:10] Motoko-chan: That's what I said... more or less. [00:10] I downloaded this site via wget and the search is not working how do I get that to work ? [00:11] reta-vortaro.de/revo [00:11] tajlero: do a rain dance containing a prayer [00:11] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [00:11] tajlero: You likely just got the rendered HTML, not and asp or PHP source behind it. [00:11] how do I get that? [00:12] tajlero: being really, really nice to the people that run the service [00:12] I see [00:12] (I found sexual favors to be adequate most of the time) [00:12] FriedBob, it is trying to access this file when I do a search /cgi-bin/sercxu.pl. [00:13] FriedBob: would you prefer if I ask the advantages of xfs and jfs over ext3? [00:13] tajlero: Do you have said perl file? [00:14] tgz: That would be a more useful question. ;) [00:14] let me check [00:14] FriedBob: would you like to provide a more useful answer, or just that remark? =P [00:14] tgz, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 [00:15] er....let me see if that's readable in links via my shell (I'm in the installer *right now*) [00:15] I personally just use ext3, since I like to play with SELINUX. ANd since i have not had any experience with the others, I am not qualified to give an answer beyond what I have said [00:16] FriedBob: that's all you needed to say, then [00:17] do you think that file is on another server FriedBob ? [00:17] rAWjAW (n=rAWjAW@unaffiliated/rawjaw) joined ##slackware. [00:17] because I set it up to follow relative links only [00:18] tajlero: it's on the server you're trying to get the file from, but you're mistaking the fact that the server is interpreting the cgi before sending it to you [00:18] when you get via http, you get the result of running the script. you need to actually have the *contents* of the script. [00:18] ok [00:18] in other words, you need to email the guy and be like "hay plz zip up cgi-bin and send it to me k [00:19] at which point i would reply "EFF OFF" [00:19] the only other inherent problem with pretty much all of this is [00:19] that search script probably searches a database which is a local sql database that only allows incoming connections from localhost [00:19] in which case not only will he tell you to eff off, but if he actually sent it to you, his sql db would probably tell you to do so as well [00:19] I see [00:20] nullboy: I'd respond with a DMCA cease and desist(sp?) [00:20] (in other words, you can only mirror a search engine if someone is your buddy, pal, and friend) [00:21] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [00:22] ali_ (n=ali@89-180-69-6.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [00:23] ali__ (n=ali@89.180.238.144) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:25] found it [00:25] http://reta-vortaro.de/cgi-bin/sercxu.pl [00:26] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2+2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [00:26] sergio (n=sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) left irc: "Leaving" [00:28] Action: Old_Fogie is dumbfounded, cannot believe there is no binary blob r300 fglrx for 12.2 ... [00:28] Run, don't walk... from the Blob!! [00:29] gregday (n=gregday@25511435.ecsis.net) joined ##slackware. [00:32] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/session) joined ##slackware. [00:34] hba (n=hba@189.188.158.89) joined ##slackware. [00:34] hba (n=hba@189.188.158.89) left irc: Client Quit [00:34] hba (n=hba@189.188.158.89) joined ##slackware. [00:35] anyone know of a free windows XP dvd codec/decoder? [00:36] vlc? [00:38] that should come with all the codecs right? [00:38] sergio (n=sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) joined ##slackware. [00:42] vlc doesn't use codecs. [00:42] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:42] it's all compiled in [00:43] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [00:44] Well, they are still codecs (more like decs), but they are internal. [00:44] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:44] I personally recommend either CCCP or SMPlayer [00:45] CCCP is built for Windows specifically. [00:45] Motoko-chan: if you're using windows, you pretty much think a codec is a downloadable installable DLL that will make your windows media player work [00:46] http://cccp-project.net/ [00:46] Recommended [00:46] thanks [00:46] vlc is working but this person needs the stock crap to work too [00:46] CCCP is all about stock crap. [00:46] Action: Motoko-chan maintains the forums [00:47] schweet [00:48] ok, so, it's been about 13 years since I've done this... if I want to use a pre-mounted directory to install, I point at the directory that IS slackware/ (containing a/ ap/ d/ etc) right? [00:48] /slackware-12.2/slackware/ yes [00:49] k. just making sure. [00:49] last time I had to use a premounted dir was the first time I installed slackware ever =] [00:50] ack, that means it was more than 13 years... [00:51] god, I'm old =[ [00:52] Motoko-chan: it still barfs: "Windows Media player cannot play this DVD because a problem occurred with digital copyright protection" [00:52] it's a Starwars dvd i'm using as a test [00:53] I could reiterate my love for vlc right now [00:54] but I think you might share it when you find other stuff that doesn't work [00:55] So I have a 1TB RAID-1 with LUKS on it what's the best way to automate the mounting? It's connected to the dock station, so it's not necessarily going to be connected every time. How do I go about it? [00:55] Would autofs be the way to go here? [00:57] MOBARMEG (n=mobarmeg@77.30.116.42) joined ##slackware. [00:57] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:57] nullboy, try loading via MPC. [00:58] iyobe (n=iyobe@pool-173-73-121-111.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:58] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:59] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:02] how do you recursively create md5sums [01:02] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@C-59-100-81-83.bri.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:02] ? [01:02] more description required [01:03] like if md5sum had the -r option [01:03] tajlero, i would use sha1sum instead of md5sum [01:03] why is that ? [01:03] tajlero, 160-bit is more secure than 128-bit [01:03] er [01:04] what about the other check sums ? [01:04] sha*sum ? [01:04] I don't think a checksum when verifying a file download.. matters which you use... [01:04] tajlero, use "md5deep" app ; a slackbuild is at SBo. has a bunch of other algo's too. usage: md5deep -rel folder/ > folder.md5 [01:04] >=x2 slower than sha1 [01:04] so I guess you're trying to say: find|xargs md5sum [01:04] find . \( -not -type d \) -a \( -not -type l \) | sort -u | \ [01:05] | while read f ; do sha1sum -b "$f" ; done [01:05] md5deep is threaded, find isn't so much slower too imo. [01:05] the lines are automatically sorted by pathnames [01:06] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [01:06] alright thanks :D [01:06] no problem [01:10] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-199.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:10] tajlero, but ... i use ... [01:10] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [01:10] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-199.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:12] fAu (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [01:13] Petraa (i=SHAKE_IT@41.236.14.252) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [01:13] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:14] find . \( -not -type d \) -a \( -not -type l \) | sort -u | \ [01:14] grep -iv "^\./checksums.sha1$" \ [01:14] | while read f ; do sha1sum -b "$f" ; done\ [01:14] >> "checksums.sha1" [01:14] or tee -a instead of >> [01:14] too advance of a script for me [01:14] I know how to do piping [01:14] though [01:15] joseph (n=joseph@c-71-232-44-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] ok. utf8 text console. what has issues with it, anyway? [01:15] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] any core utils? [01:15] sergio (n=sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:16] tgz, don't think so, works fine for everything i've thrown at it [01:16] tajlero, it's pretty easy to follow. [01:16] The first line is basically a long find line. [01:17] what about copying text files between windows and linux with utf8 enabled? [01:17] Second is uh...well, I'm not sure. [01:17] Third and fourth are a while loop using data from grep. [01:17] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:17] nullboy, wordpad is only one that seems to know what's going on with unix text files (it sees it as unix, hence why I typed that) [01:18] copying files doesn't use a utf8 console, that's something else [01:18] nullboy, ironically I get openoffice on windows to "just work" with OO from utf8 linux, without an annoying import dialog. [01:18] gvim works great in windows. [01:19] well i'm thinking about if i ever need to help windows users after i enable utf8 [01:19] as in give them text files from my system [01:19] When I have to use Windows, I at least want a decent editor :) [01:19] rworkman: "edit" in cmd ;) [01:20] edlin [01:20] rworkman, I use an app called 'notetab' on windows , like notepad on crack, free to use, non opensource, works great (for a non vim'ish user like me) and can use utf8 as default lang fwiw if you ever need the option [01:21] rworkman: hows life [01:21] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:21] rworkman: hows life [01:21] oops [01:22] up and enter! bad fluxbox focus! [01:22] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "leaving" [01:22] Old_Fogie, how is it ironic? Seems business as usual to me. [01:23] in windows i use notepad++, quite simple. [01:23] ccfreak2k, well I would have thought that since I made the doc in OO, that OO would just "work" with it's own file - without a nag screen. [01:23] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:23] anyway, I was not talking about utf8 support IN files [01:23] I would too. [01:23] just the utf8 console [01:24] acidchild: fine [01:24] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [01:24] rofl [01:24] ;-) [01:24] gregday (n=gregday@25511435.ecsis.net) left irc: [01:24] you got a ipod? [01:24] nope [01:24] joseph (n=joseph@c-71-232-44-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:25] Old_Fogie: does notetab wear its manual page at the bottom of the screen like pico? [01:25] rworkman: why not? =D [01:25] i <3 that about nano [01:25] rworkman, no its' a gui app, looks like a tabbed version of windows notepad, but has a ton of other features [01:26] acidchild: no need for it. I'm eitehr in my truck or sitting at a computer when I want to listen to music. [01:26] Old_Fogie: bloat! [01:26] :P [01:26] rworkman, screenshot http://www.notetab.com/ntl-gif.html [01:26] i'm trying to find anything on amarok related to ipod or even extra devices, i can't seem to even see anything [01:26] is there any way to make changing the volume easier? I know i'm lazy and all, i have to click/keep alsamixer open to change it. [01:27] i guess amarok 2 does it diffrently [01:27] rworkman, not an app for you... I mean an app for one of your $Windows_USERS that have a notepad like mindset, and not "i like whacking esc" :) [01:27] bigpaws (n=karl@plns-64-111-131-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) left ##slackware. [01:28] heh, giving a 'typical windows user' gvim is liking giving them a hemmorhage :D [01:29] :) [01:30] Wow, this is amazing. Not (1) ati driver binary fglrx goes in on 2.6.27.12 in Slack 12.1 or 12.2 [01:31] Akuma3 (n=kvirc@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:31] 8.7 ati blob at SBo for 12.1 is the only ati blob that I can get to work for my r300, and on 12.1 only. 12.2 nothing goes. [01:31] hba (n=hba@189.188.158.89) left irc: "leaving" [01:31] Akuma3 (n=kvirc@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:31] Akuma3 (n=dfsdf@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:32] Old_Fogie: I bought a fancy new nVidia 9800 GX2, and the nVidia binary drivers don't work, either :( [01:32] yea I can't stand this breakage [01:32] hba (n=hba@189.188.158.89) joined ##slackware. [01:32] So basically, all my r300's are DOA now. [01:32] its thoroughly discouraging [01:33] Nick change: Akuma3 -> akuma [01:33] Nick change: akuma -> Akuma [01:33] I have an r350 that will build in 12.1 with 2.6.27.12...but not in slack 12.2 at all. [01:33] I mean I'm getting breakage on versions of Slack too (tho it's not slack's fault, the xorg is the factor there) [01:33] I wish ati would get their shit together [01:34] I'd be happy to support their cards if they did [01:34] tgz, well they did give out specs for r300 cards; they *gave* ati radeon all in wonder to gatos project who took the card and did *nothing* with it. [01:34] rworkman: you know any TVoIP providers in north america? [01:34] Old_Fogie: phoronix has an amd/ati git repo fwiw [01:34] ali_ (n=ali@89-180-69-6.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:35] does someone know about a program to make network diagrams and simulations?... something like Packet Tracer. [01:35] never used it but know friends who have,nvidia here [01:35] ali_ (n=ali@89.180.27.176) joined ##slackware. [01:35] hba: mmm how so? [01:35] Rat409, nah I'm just gonna use windows for now on..I've had it with floss breakage for stuff like this. I got an nxserver box. But thank you for pointing it out. [01:35] sure [01:36] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/session) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:39] Old_Fogie: wth is this nx stuff ? I'm looking at the web site and I am surprised I've never heard of it ... [01:39] rk4n3, it's pure magic [01:39] rk4n3, I'm probably going to buy it for the office [01:39] http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/netacad/packet_tracer/packet_tracer_03-4_web.html :) [01:40] Old_Fogie: how's your experience with it been, in a nutshell ? [01:40] acidchild: nope, sorry :/ [01:40] rk4n3, perfect for a situation like this. I can't run slack 12.2 on my r300 cards. I dont want to maintain a 12.1 and 12.2 repo (all that building). So got me a nice debian box setup with nx as the server, runs swell. [01:41] rk4n3, love it..like I said probably going to buy it [01:41] rk4n3, for the business. [01:41] Old_Fogie: is it basically like a citrix-type solution ? [01:41] rk4n3, imagine a full destkop over ssh with sound [01:41] time to try and reboot into slamd64 [01:42] back soon [01:42] rk4n3, and _*not*_ slow either [01:42] rk4n3, on the lan, you feel like you're at native speeds (no DRI tho) [01:42] Old_Fogie: hmmm ... so you run a Windows virtual machine on a server, and its desktop is exported via X sorta like VNC but leaner and more "native-feeling" ? [01:43] rk4n3, I run it here at home on a Slack server/box so if you need help let me know [01:43] rk4n3, you could do a vm too..such as windows/linux host ...linux vm client with nxserver on board ...giving nx sessions to the host, or others [01:45] Old_Fogie: sorry for my density ... still trying to get a picture of what it actually is --- so nxserver basically provides remote desktop functionality ? [01:45] rk4n3, yes "nxserver" serves up the X sessions, like a windows rdp or linux vnc session, with panels, taskbar, icons, sound, the works [01:46] rk4n3, so you put 'nxserver' on the 'server' and you put 'nxclient' on the 'clients' [01:46] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [01:46] aha - so the value-add over something like VNC or native X desktops is the pass-through of local resources like sound ... [01:46] rk4n3, but like you mentioned,you could have a virtual machine slackware act as the nxserver, and serve to a user on hte host pc so they can use nxclient. [01:46] http://www.nomachine.com/documents/getting-started.php :P [01:46] rk4n3, right [01:46] rk4n3, and speed [01:47] aha - I get it [01:47] rk4n3, and that it is set up "by real people to be used by real people" [01:47] Old_Fogie: I see - sounds very interesting [01:47] rk4n3, human readable text files..great documents. [01:47] "...we find that approximately 21.45 megabytes of data is transferred during each act of human sexual reproduction in the form of gametes." [01:48] http://www.utheguru.com/fun-science-how-many-megabytes-in-the-human-body [01:48] nullboy, wow, interesting. [01:48] rk4n3, the server has text file configs, but they're understandable, and dont have overly intense technical names for things. the client apps are all gui based, and just work. [01:48] nullboy: what happens to that data if she swallows ? /dev/null ? [01:48] lol [01:48] i was about to crack one about memory leaks [01:48] lol [01:49] brb [01:49] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [01:49] Old_Fogie: this sounds like a perfect solution for a scenario I have in mind [01:50] oh this is by far the best part of that article "Given that this is bursty traffic, what is the peak data transmission rate (in megabits per second)?" [01:50] rk4n3, ah ok [01:50] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:51] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [01:51] hba (n=hba@189.188.158.89) left irc: "leaving" [01:52] rk4n3, now I think of it, is for mine. seeing how I dont want to maintain two versions of Slack (not that any distro now works for r300) but want to run 12.2 on the other pc's (that dont have r300) [01:52] Dovid (n=annon@tony09-121-90.inter.net.il) left irc: [01:52] rk4n3, s/is for mine / is for me [01:53] Old_Fogie: I'd like to try switching someone (who's relatively willing) to a linux-based desktop environment, but he really needs access to a couple Windows programs. If I can provide him fairly native-feeling access to a Windows desktop for those things, he'd be golden [01:53] rk4n3, well the windows nx server is not free to use (nor free speech) [01:53] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:54] rk4n3, keep in mind [01:54] Old_Fogie: ah, right ... [01:54] darn [01:54] Action: rk4n3 looks up the price [01:54] rk4n3, so if you have a spare box with Slack, or if his pc fast enuff in windows, install vmware then load slack into vmware then nxserver into slackware in the vm..then he can run the nxclient in windows and use a desktop session of the slackware vm (and it'll feel native) [01:55] Old_Fogie: aha, that could work [01:56] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:56] rk4n3, yes for example vmware here on my amd 2500 , with slackware inside the vm ..well feels like I'm using slackware even tho I'm running an nx session ,heh. It even goes full screen too, so you almost really feal native on the client [01:57] P4C0 (n=pcuser@190.141.76.51) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:57] Old_Fogie: yes, that could work ... I'll have to check it out [01:58] rk4n3, choose the install debian option if installing to slackware, slackware's scripts will see it, that's the only real gotcha. and more importantly, change the "keys" of nxserver, as those keys the whole world has :) so it's not secure if you get my point. it's documented in the manual. [01:58] Old_Fogie: OK, will do - thanks for the tips :) [01:59] :D [02:00] hmmm ... around $750 for the minimal Windows server product ... a little spendy, but I could see it maybe being worth it, if the scenario calls for it [02:00] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:00] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:00] rk4n3, true. xp's rdp has no encryption tho..so I suppose 750 aint bad price heh [02:01] rk4n3, tho that can be tunneled over ssh. but you still dont have the compression like the nx does for sound and audio heh [02:02] Old_Fogie: rdp doesn't even have any support at all for audio pass-through, does it ? [02:02] rk4n3, now if you got a spare pc, you could have him use 'rdesktop' , or "krdc" in it's slackware already, does sound too if you add libsndfile to slack and recomp rdesktop [02:02] rdp in xp yea it does [02:02] ah, never noticed that [02:03] rk4n3, but he has to have XP pro to have windows rdp onboard, if he's got home, he doesnt have rdp then [02:04] Old_Fogie: yeah, we've got pro for him [02:08] giuppy (n=giuppy@host240-130-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:08] Old_Fogie: "NoMachine has built the foundations of its NXDCA on two well known and widely used open standards, SSH and the X-Window System" [02:08] Old_Fogie: sounds pretty cool ... the clients must be mostly lean/tight X servers [02:08] rk4n3, btw alienbob's repo has freenxserver I see you could try that too if you prefer the foss [02:09] sweet [02:10] anyone got a server in the UK? [02:11] acidchild: nope - there's absolutely no servers in the UK [02:11] :) [02:11] ^ what he said [02:11] pft, redbus is good stuff [02:11] i just dont have a box there anymore. [02:11] vald0r (n=vald0r@stjhnf0131w-142162204149.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) joined ##slackware. [02:12] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [02:13] acidchild: I don't make the connection .... redbus -> UK server ? [02:14] acidchild: (I don't even know what redbus is) [02:14] redbus is a datacenter in the docklands in London [02:14] i'm looking for a tunne/proxy in the UK for legit uses. [02:14] aha - that clears it up :) [02:20] wamaral (i=1000@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "..(cyp): [BX] Everybody was Kung Fu fighting!" [02:26] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:30] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). 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[03:19] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:19] not for a long time [03:20] it hasn't been so great lately [03:22] heh, "Hacking Dubai and More Internet Proxy Loopholes" [03:23] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:23] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:24] they keep doing articles about proxies but after a while it's really just the same basic idea just in a different context [03:26] hi all :) [03:27] http://www.i-hacked.com/content/view/274/48/ roflmao :) [03:27] lol [03:28] ghetto (n=ghetto@88.231.200.51) joined ##slackware. [03:29] ghetto (n=ghetto@88.231.200.51) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [03:32] renew01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-164-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:33] tajlero (n=rocko@c-67-167-117-152.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:36] lol [03:36] Zombies ahead, clasic. [03:36] classic [03:37] dexen (i=c2c54f12@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/session) joined ##slackware. [03:37] hello [03:38] where do I report a slackware-specific (/etc/rc.d/rc.inet1) bug? [03:40] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:40] what's the bug? [03:41] in inet1? [03:41] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [03:42] (he is looking if there is one) [03:42] cause: the `DHCP_OPTIONS' variable is global, its value persists between calls to if_up() [03:42] effect: when you have more than one interface with DHCP enabled, options enabled for first one influence subsequent executions of dhcpcd, too [03:42] Ongavezir (n=afsociet@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu) joined ##slackware. [03:43] fix: make the variable local to the function [03:43] Slackboy come on baby! [03:43] Whatta muttafucka penguin-fucker community here? [03:43] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [03:44] dexen: send a patch and that explanation to Patrick [03:44] Action: mohaa throws ginger noobs at Ongavezir [03:44] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:44] mohaa can I help you? [03:44] dexen, what options are you using [03:44] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-199.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:44] Ongavezir, no gentleman. thanks [03:45] Strykar: options don't matter, but for the record, i have DHCP on both eth0 and eth1 [03:45] for eth0: DHCP_KEEPGW[0]="yes" [03:46] and it influences the eth1 as well [03:46] http://rafb.net/p/pdZDn260.html here, the patch [03:46] Ongavezir The Holyness, not a gentleman [03:46] nullboy: and his email address is..? [03:46] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [03:47] dexen: look on the site, i'm not spamming it in some irc channel [03:47] it has part of his last name in it [03:47] we have people like Ongavezir in here [03:47] kk, i see ;) [03:50] HI all [03:51] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [03:51] Hi Camarade_Tux I think you can help me because I have a problem of installing The famous french modem Sagem fast 800 in Slackwarem right ? :) [03:52] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-347875.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:52] gh gh [03:53] french modem ? [03:53] does that mean it only connects when it feels like it and tends to smoke a lot? [03:53] tssss [03:53] :D [03:53] iirc it's a PPPoA DSL modem [03:53] atz vous [03:53] ;) [03:54] hehe [03:54] LOL [03:54] btw, a lot of French people don't smoke ;) [03:55] Camarade_Tux: Pffft. I suppose the next thing you're going to tell me is that they don't all wear berets and drink coffee. [03:55] I don't care :P I wanna just installing this shit if is it possible :P [03:55] Makaveli_ma, unfortunately I have never used a dsl modem which did not connect on its own under linux [03:55] godling, exactly, some are nearly naked :D [03:55] Camarade_Tux: ok nop [03:55] and you forgot the baguette ;) [03:55] (bread) [03:56] Yes, I know what a baguette is. :P [03:56] I also know what a fried Oreo is. [03:56] Camarade_Tux: you mean to bye another ? [03:57] it comes by default with france telecom :P [03:57] Oh I am a TUKSKILLAH [03:57] I am banned on 48 channel [03:57] Great record for the Guinness Book [03:57] France Telecom ? They changed name years ago :p [03:57] Ongavezir The Holyness, the President Of LHA [03:58] LHA= Linuks Haters Associaty [03:58] Action: Camarade_Tux prefers other compression formats [03:58] Ongavezir: If Guinness cared about IRC. [03:58] godling please trust me! :) [03:59] The most worst linuks distro the frugalware [03:59] Action: dexen would prefer GHA (GNU Haters Association) [03:59] dexen my good friend:) [03:59] hmm, do we have any op currently ? [03:59] But I no hate the metaxa with five stars [03:59] Slackboy, my good friend sleep now [04:00] I will the op, if it is okay? [04:00] anway, thank you guys [04:00] dexen (i=c2c54f12@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/session) left irc: "mibbit.com: see ya" [04:01] Kiss dexen brotha'z [04:04] Makaveli_ma, when did you order that modem ? [04:04] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "leaving" [04:06] mohaa: when I got my dsl connection in Maroc telecom = France telecom they gave me that shit :s [04:07] so I am obliged to use it [04:07] oh in Morocco [04:07] that's different [04:07] :D [04:07] mohaa: do you think ? [04:08] Makaveli_ma, have a look on lealinux.org [04:08] Makaveli_ma, yes it's different (in France, things done changed with another stupid modem) [04:08] maroc telecom is managed by french manager [04:08] and used french technologies [04:08] there is no big difference in what is used in morocco as DSL technologies and France :) [04:09] Viva le France:) [04:09] But after Trianon, we hate the France [04:10] mohaa: ok [04:10] as everytime :P [04:10] and surcusy [04:10] LOL [04:10] spook_ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) got netsplit. [04:10] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) got netsplit. [04:10] initself (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) got netsplit. [04:10] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.122) got netsplit. [04:10] ph|ber (n=phiber@8.7.103.195) got netsplit. [04:10] SagaZ- (n=dbaio@unaffiliated/dbaio) got netsplit. [04:10] StevenR (n=foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) got netsplit. [04:10] cathectic (n=cathecti@slamd64/cathectic) got netsplit. 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[04:11] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) returned to ##slackware. [04:11] http://www.lea-linux.org/documentations/index.php/Accueil Makaveli_ma , good luck and have lots of fun with Lea [04:12] I admit that lea was my first Linux tutoriels because it was the only one in french [04:12] blitz (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: [04:13] now that I can understand english a little more I can read large books wrote in english [04:13] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.155) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:15] Meckafett (n=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [04:17] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [04:19] fatboy? [04:23] lol [04:24] fatboy the penguinfucker? [04:24] Buggaboo (n=bug@ipd50a4203.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:25] sorry I have a mistake, slackoy, no fatboy [04:26] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.68.44) joined ##slackware. [04:30] you really shouldn't keep on insulting slackboy, he's not a very nice person -_- [04:31] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [04:31] I know, he is a fool [04:32] Like a big cock dick with IQ linit -15 [04:32] IQ limitation about -15 [04:33] Ongavezir (n=afsociet@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu) left irc: [04:34] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:34] The-Croupier (i=3e26f40d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/session) joined ##slackware. [04:34] greetings :) [04:35] Ongavezir (n=afsociet@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu) joined ##slackware. [04:35] Hallelujja brotha'z [04:35] i can see that there are around 1451 users online in the server.. and 258 are in slackware ;) [04:35] (this could be false of course :( --the sum of usersonline) [04:35] which server? [04:36] The-Croupier: How about ppl on this channel? ;) [04:36] Makaveli_ma, well...be smart and find the doc yourself :) [04:37] Aldaron: you can see how many ppl are in this channel when you join ;) [04:37] mohaa: yes, maybe for writing the driver USB lonely :P [04:38] Makaveli_ma, le pilote existe bel et bien depuis des années déjà [04:38] tewmten: wolfe.freenode.net in Manchester, England, Uk [04:38] ok [04:38] mohaa: is that french? [04:38] mohaa: mais ca fonctionne pas c'est toujours complique et frustrant de le mettre en marche [04:39] The-Croupier: I thought about how many use slackware to get here ;) [04:39] The-Croupier: I think so :P [04:39] The-Croupier, no, it's not ! [04:39] hhhhhhhhhhh [04:39] The-Croupier, that's just one server, on the network as a whole there's something like 44k [04:39] it's a crypted language :P [04:40] yeah. For example, the word "complete" becomes "completement", completely obscuring the meaning [04:40] volo (n=volo@netacc-gpn-4-11.gprs.pgsm.hu) joined ##slackware. [04:40] pprkut (n=hwiesing@gw.fh-burgenland.at) joined ##slackware. [04:40] ..What do I do with .rpms? Never installed anything from .rpm. >_< [04:41] ohh thats why i couldnt get it :P [04:41] kunwon1: maybe you are right [04:41] I usually don't do anything with rpms ;). xeon, what do you want to install, and have you checked slackbuilds.org? [04:41] kunwon1: most probably you are right [04:41] Aldaron, I'm installing VMWare Player. And no I have not. [04:41] * There are 23402 listed and 21286 unlisted users on 33 servers [04:41] xeon: i think theres something rpm2tgz around that might help [04:42] ahhhhhhh yeah [04:43] check sbo first.. there might be something like that there... then check rpm2tgz ... then make a tgz and share with the rest ;) [04:44] no vmware on sbo. But virtualbox is ;) [04:44] Seems to me there's no slackbuild [04:44] Makaveli_ma, btw what's wrong with the modem ? [04:44] Aldaron: did you check google? [04:45] The-Croupier: no :P [04:45] Aldaron: ok then ;) [04:45] mindbendr (n=neveraga@80.68.37.171) joined ##slackware. [04:45] mohaa: I got this error message : firmware : requesting ueagle-atm/DSPep.bin [04:45] The-Croupier: there might be in google, but mostly I'd trust scripts only from sbo anyway ;) [04:46] Elvis live again! [04:46] Nick change: Ongavezir -> Elvis [04:47] Nick change: Elvis -> Ongavezir [04:48] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@C-59-100-81-83.bri.connect.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [04:48] Aldaron: you can always read the script... modify it as it would be in sbo ;) and use it ;) who knows that might help that you wont have to look for scripts anymore ;) [04:49] ali_ (n=ali@89.180.27.176) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:49] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:49] ali_ (n=ali@89.180.234.101) joined ##slackware. [04:51] The-Croupier: installing from source to /opt seems like less hassle to me :P. And I'm quite sure that a good hacker could come up with something I wouldn't detect [04:52] Aldaron: im sure none would bother to come up with anything [04:52] Aldaron: please, hacker <> cracker <>script kiddie [04:52] yeah, what's the purpose in hacking computers, right :). That's why nobody does it [04:53] Nah. What I said is true for "hackers". Even when only a "cracker" would do it with malicious intent [04:53] Aldaron: im sure if someone wanted to add something... it wouldnt only be in the script ( its open source) could very easily be in the source :p [04:54] The-Croupier: indeed. I wouldn't download source from anywhere else than project site or a mirror anyway [04:55] again i stick to my first statement hackers != crackers != scripties [04:55] bubby (n=bubby@122.172.105.251) joined ##slackware. [04:55] yea, and you're right of course [04:56] Action: The-Croupier loves it when hes right... doesnt happen very often lately ;) [04:56] modifying an install script is something a script kiddie can't do, a hacker could do, and a cracker would do ;) [04:57] so theres the difference there.. so no hacker would actually bother to modify an install script ;) unless it would make it cleaner and faster to install ;) [04:57] and probably help lots of people... ;) [04:57] or maybe if it produced hilarious results for him or others? :) [04:58] The-Croupier: restart from scratch might be faster than modify though [04:58] or maybe it would let him take a peek at something he's interested in [04:58] Aldaron: everybody like a nice joke ;) [04:58] Aldaron: noone is interested in porn anymore [04:58] ;) [04:58] volo (n=volo@netacc-gpn-4-11.gprs.pgsm.hu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:58] pprkut: is right on that [04:59] Action: The-Croupier hands pprkut a waffle [04:59] Ongavezir (n=afsociet@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu) left irc: Client Quit [04:59] Wha? Oh, that. Yea, true. No need to download porn anymore, as we all have over 100GB of it already? [04:59] Action: pprkut eats waffle happily :) [04:59] thanks The-Croupier! [04:59] pprkut: welcome [05:00] Aldaron: never heard of a hacker actually breaking in a users pc... i think that is something like a downgrade... noone wants to downgrade ;) [05:01] and im sure not you nor most of us in here have something that important that a hacker couldnt make himself or couldnt get without breaking in ;) [05:01] The-Croupier: of course, if you define "hacker" as somebody who doesn't break into pcs even if he could ;) [05:02] Aldaron: how do you define hacker then [05:02] I've read about people who break into things without any malicious intent [05:02] they are security guys ;) [05:02] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [05:02] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [05:02] hacker == somebody very skillful about computers and communication networks, and able to exploit vulnerabilities in code. cracker == a criminal hacker [05:03] i want a one letter TLD [05:03] hello slackers [05:03] Aldaron: so cracker == hacker just malicious is the change in the word [05:03] hiya slackytude [05:03] so i can get a three gharacter domain [05:04] when a hacker is good? [05:04] then it will take less of my life reiterating and reading others reiterating that definition [05:04] The-Croupier: that's how I'm accustomed to using the words -- do you have some other definition? :P [05:05] http://a.a will just have a page with that definition on it [05:05] maxote: a hacker can be good when he merely breaks into a system, leaves some proof of it, and then contacts the admins telling them their system is vulnerable [05:05] break in and repair [05:05] Even if that happened, I'd reinstall the system :P [05:06] it's, a hacker is good by default, ok? [05:06] break in and paint everything pink [05:06] Aldaron: although you dont have to exploit code to be a hacker.... just write it [05:06] yep [05:06] Action: Makaveli_ma Pat is our boss hacker [05:06] maxote: yeah. Just as all people are innocent until proven guilty. Goes without saying? ;) [05:06] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Connection timed out [05:06] Zordrak: You'd have to write exceptionally clever code to be called "hacker" by me ;) [05:06] reinstalling wouldnt solve anything.. just take you sometime back [05:07] brb [05:07] The-Croupier: and get rid of any possible backdoors? [05:07] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [05:07] FaUl (i=immo@shell.chaostreff-dortmund.de) joined ##slackware. [05:07] hi [05:07] Aldaron: for example... hacking away at someone else's code to make it function differently [05:08] anyone here who can help me? in whihc package will i find the glibc (libc.so.6, not developement-stuff) [05:08] Zordrak: If you make an "ugly hack", that doesn't make you "hacker", does it? [05:08] i never said ugly [05:09] I said that to make my point more clear :) [05:09] if you make a "hack", are you a hacker then? [05:09] Zordrak: tell me ma friend are you a true slackware hacker ? [05:09] im not saying coder==hacker .. just that exploitation is not a requirement [05:10] Makaveli_ma: ? [05:10] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [05:10] Zordrak: I mean did you participate in slckware developement ? [05:10] Zordrak: nah.. But in practice, I'd say that a "hacker" would be *able* to exploit, that is, clever and knowledgeable enough [05:10] Aldaron: granted [05:11] Makaveli_ma: no [05:11] Zordrak: you wanna say not yet ;) [05:11] Makaveli_ma: no [05:11] ok [05:12] .oO( stop discussing about how a hacker is defined and help me by doing my ugly hacks ;-) [05:12] is programmer the hacker? or is only a looker of code the hacker? [05:12] Makaveli_ma: it's not my project. I make contributions, but have no desire to be in a core dev team [05:12] maxote: I thik that the both [05:13] and tester too? [05:13] Zordrak: can I have an idea about what you do ? [05:13] Makaveli_ma: Everything. [05:14] maxote: tester or looker of the code must be a programmer to be able to do that things [05:14] so they are all a hacker as I suppose [05:14] Zordrak: hmm like ? [05:15] bono (i=bono@220-136-226-179.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:15] Makaveli_ma: If it is IT related, I do it. Mostly as part of my job as a peripetetic sysadmin, but also outside of it. [05:16] Zordrak: OK I see now, thank you for answering :) [05:17] no hacker will tell you that he is a hacker ... so ... ;) [05:18] also, something else that is a fact of a hacker.. is that you will never know he was there...and you will never know he is one :p [05:18] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:18] I think that the meaning of hacker word in Open source is not the same in other domains [05:19] Makaveli_ma: explain [05:19] Makaveli_ma: you mean domains such as television? [05:19] Zordrak: yesss press in general [05:19] oups, found it [05:19] prekisely [05:20] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c220-237-26-25.farfl2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:20] The-Croupier: If open source survive is thanks to open source hackers [05:21] and its because of the press that we are in this situation now [05:21] they say you dont believe everything you hear from the press [05:21] ali_ (n=ali@89.180.234.101) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:22] ali_ (n=ali@89.180.143.131) joined ##slackware. [05:23] you can find the real definition of 'hacker' in Linux code documentary where talks Richard Stallman explaining that largely [05:25] Action: Makaveli_ma kernel can't grow up without hackers [05:30] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:30] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:33] Makaveli_ma: nothing can grow without the good,the bad, and the stupid ;) [05:33] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:33] The-Croupier: and where is the stupid here ?? LOL [05:34] Makaveli_ma: was that a rhetorical question ? ;P [05:35] The-Croupier: that's what do you think ? :P [05:36] lol no but does it matter ? lol [05:36] The-Croupier: ok so thank you [05:38] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:43] valvola (n=fabiovio@salugit.unile.it) joined ##slackware. [05:44] replay (i=1000@69.26.207.22) left irc: "Killed (Ancient (Requested by panasync))" [05:45] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:45] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.68.44) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:45] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:46] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [05:46] bubby (n=bubby@122.172.105.251) left irc: "Leaving" [05:50] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@82.50.251.4) joined ##slackware. [05:51] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@C-59-100-81-83.bri.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:51] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:52] MOBARMEG (n=mobarmeg@77.30.116.42) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:52] http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/4GB-MP3-Player-Bluetooth-Sunglasses-Headset-For-IPOD_W0QQitemZ160310938271QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_VisionGlasses_Lenses_SM?hash=item160310938271&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1300%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 [05:52] ooops sorry [05:53] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-87-134-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [05:54] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [05:55] The-Croupier: LOL hoping that it will not perceived as a stupid gesture :P [05:56] Makaveli_ma: no thats just information sharing ;) unless you want to call information stupid ;) [05:56] a bit unexpensive btw [05:57] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [05:58] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:58] The-Croupier: there is a lot of categories of information, we don't consider everything as an information :P [05:58] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [06:00] categories of information ---consider everything as an information == because you devide the information in categories doesnt mean its not information ;) [06:01] oh I forget something :P [06:01] Makaveli_ma> The-Croupier: there is a lot of categories of information, we don't consider everything as a good information :P [06:01] lol, still information though :p [06:01] brb [06:02] The-Croupier: you escape :P [06:03] Ongavezir (n=afsociet@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu) joined ##slackware. [06:03] Hozsanna brotha'z [06:03] The TUKSKILLAH online again [06:03] Por favor, antes de imprimir este mensaje, asegúrate de que es necesario. Ayudemos a cuidar el medio ambiente [06:03] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/session) joined ##slackware. [06:04] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [06:08] Action: Makaveli_ma The-Croupier dont worry man you and we belongs to two of big civilization never found twice like them : Greece and Arabia :D.. So we can't have a stupid blood in our bodies :P [06:09] schenkel (n=schenkel@189.72.3.22) joined ##slackware. [06:09] todakure (n=todakure@189.58.154.135.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:12] lol [06:13] lw0x15 Hello myfriend brotha'z [06:13] =o [06:13] hello [06:13] Blaskowitz (n=Blaskowi@203-217-91-4.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:14] Action: lw0x15 eating an awesome sandwich] [06:14] Greetings [06:14] Now I have an another whiskey [06:15] Better than Johnnye Walker [06:15] Tastie [06:19] the new sbopkg rocks [06:19] i love it [06:20] slava_dp: indeed ;) [06:21] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [06:22] Action: Camarade_Tux should start using it [06:23] Camarade_Tux: its nice to check it .. you might help ;) [06:23] Action: The-Croupier believes that Camarade_Tux could help ;) [06:24] schenkel (n=schenkel@189.72.3.22) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:25] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [06:26] The-Croupier, why me in particular ? [06:27] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left ##slackware. [06:27] Camarade_Tux: because you use slackware ;) [06:27] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:28] The-Croupier, hehe :p [06:28] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-026-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [06:28] Action: Camarade_Tux has to put a note on front of his computer screen : "google can't find the documents you've lost in your bedroom, don't try using it for that !" [06:28] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [06:29] Action: Makaveli_ma The-Croupier = 'The Man' :P [06:29] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.21.22) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:29] Por favor, antes de imprimir este mensaje, asegúrate de que es necesario. Ayudemos a cuidar el medio ambiente ! [06:31] all that I understood was the word 'Por favor' = please :P [06:31] mensaje i think means message [06:31] ALVAN (n=erters@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [06:31] Buggaboo (n=bug@ipd50a4203.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:31] and 'cuidar' = guitar [06:31] de que es necesario == that is necessary ( i think) [06:32] cuidar could be guide [06:32] el medio = the media :P [06:32] imprimir = printer [06:32] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [06:32] I can speack spanish NOW :D [06:32] Ongavezir: please try it in english if you can [06:33] Ongavezir (n=afsociet@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu) left ##slackware. [06:33] iirc he wanted to get banned [06:34] although I told him there was no op to ;p [06:35] Camarade_Tux: you are monstrous :( [06:35] right, I told him he had to insult slackboy to be banned here :D [06:35] Oh I am a TUKSKILLAH [06:35] I am banned on 48 channel [06:35] ali__ (n=ali@89.181.37.46) joined ##slackware. [06:36] ali_ (n=ali@89.180.143.131) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:36] Action: Camarade_Tux showers [06:36] hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [06:36] 48 channels [06:37] The-Croupier: I think that we have found the true stupid of the channel :P [06:37] we should have pointed him to #ubuntu-women ^^ [06:38] hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [06:38] or #/dev/null :P [06:38] Makaveli_ma: name them [06:39] The-Croupier: I am not monstrous :) [06:39] Makaveli_ma: enough said [06:39] :) [06:39] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:39] I've been banned/kicked from #ubuntu-women for not saying a thing, he could probably have managed to get his 49th ban [06:40] LOL [06:40] Camarade_Tux: a thing, or a thing that made sense? [06:40] The-Croupier: you wanna fight me ? [06:40] very thin line between those too [06:40] Makaveli_ma: ok [06:40] lets take this outside [06:40] The-Croupier: I am a boxer too :) [06:40] LOL [06:41] The-Croupier, I said nothing :) [06:41] im a judo-ju-jitsu-boxer-akido = 5 to 8 year [06:42] i said nothing [06:43] Action: The-Croupier is still looking for Makaveli_ma outside :p [06:43] it's too cold outside ;) [06:43] well warm eachother up ;) [06:44] LOL [06:44] I hope that you are not gay :P [06:45] me too ;) [06:45] lol [06:45] Action: Makaveli_ma 'The-Croupier> well warm eachother up ;)' is a disturbing phrase :S [06:46] i ment you get warmed up when yoy fight ;) lol [06:46] I hope hat it was what you say [06:46] :P [06:46] Action: The-Croupier is far from being gay.. the complete opposite of gay [06:48] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [06:48] ouuffff that's OK now I can beat you :) [06:49] i hope you can..its getting very lonely lately [06:49] Action: The-Croupier loves his modesty lol :) [06:50] LOL [06:51] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. 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[07:57] slava_dp: I'm used to kmail, and it integrates better into KDE. [07:58] ok, i just wondered :) [07:58] Dominus : neither [07:58] Action: nooper <3 imap [07:59] Well this is gmail so it might be slower, but it's barely manageable. [07:59] Takes about 10 seconds for a randomly clicked message to show up, and it keeps adding and removing mails. [07:59] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [08:01] wow, i just looked up and <3 represents a heart.... i thought it's an ass [08:02] The-Croupier (i=3e26f40d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/session) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [08:02] later [08:02] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:02] I never knew what it meant [08:02] guess it's just being a non-native speaker [08:02] http://www.sharpened.net/glossary/emoticon.php?love [08:03] A non-native emoticon speaker? [08:03] lionping (n=itsme@cm.mpi.univie.ac.at) joined ##slackware. [08:04] What kind of weird culture are you from if it doesn't have hearts :D [08:04] Dominus, nay, we do have hearts :) [08:05] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:05] Action: slava_dp still thinks <3 looks like an ass [08:07] Action: bubblegum likes ice cream cones with two helpings [08:07] [ in bed ] [08:08] slava_dp: its a chick with an over-large clown hat [08:09] spook, woohoo, could be one [08:10] her portrait from at least the waist up [08:11] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [08:11] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:12] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:13] conraid (n=conraid@82.49.167.15) joined ##slackware. [08:14] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [08:18] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:19] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [08:20] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-201147.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:29] Can people sell patches to Open Source Software? [08:31] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.11.20.161) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:31] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:31] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:31] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:34] skibur: hah, they can try. [08:35] Open source does not always mean free.. If the OS license lets you then you can sell a patch.. If not then no [08:35] skibur: of course you can. if the license permits so. [08:35] GPL [08:35] Then, no [08:36] Then, yes.. [08:36] I believe even the GPL allows you to sell it. [08:36] http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney [08:36] Well someone can sell the patch if someone else wants to pay, but the patch itself has to be made public and falls under GPL as well [08:36] or at least GPL v2. [08:36] GPL has nothing that forbids you to sell, make patches or sell patches.. As long as the source is available when you own the product [08:37] alienBOB, it doesnt have to be made public... [08:37] BP{k}: hi , how are you ? [08:37] slackytude: hello [08:37] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [08:37] Ether_Man: indeed, it has to be made available to the paying customer. But that customer is free to publish the patch afterwards [08:37] alienBOB, it has to be made available upon obtaining the product.. As in if you buy the patch you also have access to the source of that patch.. [08:37] ahmed-tux: hello. ok. [08:37] No they're not.. [08:38] P4C0 (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) joined ##slackware. [08:38] I suggest you actually take time to read the GPL before discussing it based on OSS == free sharing principles because its not [08:39] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [08:39] Open != free [08:39] hello [08:39] BP{k}: nice [08:40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bebook [08:40] SDK is provided (though source code for many GPL-licensed components is not provided) [08:41] is that legal? [08:41] Most likely not. [08:42] reading the GPL License [08:42] i dont think that theyll have any problem if someone asks [08:42] Are you sure they are GPL licensed components? [08:43] if you notify that to fsf they will evaluate it and do something... [08:43] They're Chinese, they're generally not used to intellectual property :D [08:43] racist... [08:44] Racist? [08:44] Not really. [08:44] Have you ever been to China? [08:44] if it's in china there's nothing to do [08:44] that's not racism, that's a fact [08:45] dguitar (n=dguitar@unaffiliated/dguitar) joined ##slackware. [08:45] those guys copy all and even the government supports it [08:45] unfortunately... but I think the chinese government is making some steps in trying to change that [08:45] Yes I have actually... Yes piracy is bad there.. That doesnt mean they're not used to it or that they in general dont care.. They're just more open about it.. Heck as percentage of their population.. They're not even one of the biggest IP breakers.. [08:45] but it's not easy... a lot of ppl make a living out of it [08:45] Kaapa, no it's no fact.. Its biased BS [08:46] [ in bed ] [08:46] I have visited quite a few factories and most would offer me copies of e.g. Disney items, unlicensed, without moving a muscle. [08:46] I don't care, I won't discuss it. go try to sell your products there and then don't come asking for food [08:46] It's something they basically don't even take into account. [08:47] The only diffrence between china and the west in regards to IP.. Is that in china they do it out in the open.. West do it on the net where they're relatively safe [08:48] This is _not_ about selling counterfeit DVDs on street corners. [08:49] not at all... I can give you a few examples about telecoms... [08:49] I can give you a few about toys :) [08:49] well.. the fact is that world economy (its already shity enough) depends heavily on chinese factories so i dont think they make a sweat about it .. for now [08:49] and even more basic items, like the r4ds for the nintendo ds [08:50] I didnt say they were.. I said they were more open about it.. As in they dont try to hide when they do it.. [08:50] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [08:50] Hence they are more visible and hence they get more BS from people that dont really know anything about the pirate movement [08:50] aperturefever: point is, they can't sell that stuff to Europeans. But as long as they can sell it locally and to, say, Africa, Asia, they'll keep doing it. [08:51] What is this "pirate movement"? These are all supposedly legit factories. [08:51] gosh how to spell that company name... :S [08:52] Dominian, everything concerning anti IP.. is "the pirate movement".. Though its split into millions of smaller movements as well [08:52] bughunter2 (n=jg@77.164.66.126) joined ##slackware. [08:52] hey, how can i make applications like firefox recognize my default 'file manager' ? [08:56] Dominus: im not sure that i understand what you say but im definitely sure that chinese products (not CE approved) are already in Europe and US [08:56] Ether_Man: I think you mis-typed.. I have no idea what you're talking about [08:56] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:57] aperturefever: yes, but non-CE products do get busted quite frequently. [08:57] Dominian, no. no misstype [08:57] Huawei is a good example [08:57] So, most legitimate trading companies in Europe won't touch that stuff, at least as far as they know it's not legitimate. [08:57] Ether_Man: had to be.. I have no idea who you are much less the fact I have no idea what you are talking about... considering I just got here. [08:58] Ether_Man: Dominian != Dominus [08:58] exactly [08:58] BUt, countries in Africa and Asia don't have strict regulation so those products can still be sold there, semi- or entirely legitimately. [08:58] Dominian, sorry.. misstabbed :) [08:58] Ether_Man: tab-completion-fu = fail [08:58] So similar names >_< [08:58] Huawei is such a pile of S. We had a vodafone-branded huawei modem and it died after a couple of days. [08:58] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:59] Dominus: of course.. but they're bought in higher frequency and the reason is that economy sucks (especially in Europe). [09:00] "Huawei Technologies was included in the World's Most Respected 200 Companies list compiled by Forbes magazine in May 2007,[25] one of the six from telecom industry." [09:00] Mhaha [09:00] slava_dp: probable... but you know it's all copy technology from ericsson, nokia, cisco, and so on... [09:00] Ether_Man (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: [09:00] "On January 23, 2003, Cisco sued Huawei Technologies, Co., Ltd and its subsidiaries, Huawei America, Inc. and FutureWei Technologies, Inc. over Huawei's unlawful copying of Cisco's intellectual property. [31] The suit alleged that Huawei "unlawfully copied and misappropriated Cisco's IOS software... and infringed numerous Cisco patents." Cisco suspended the patent infringement lawsuit on October 1, 2003, after Huawei agreed to modify so [09:00] me of their products.[32]" [09:00] in their beginnings they didn't even change the docs... just replaced their company logo [09:00] lolol [09:01] hahaha [09:01] awesome [09:01] lol [09:01] P4C0: hrm.. I know someone else that's done that.. pretty recently as well [09:02] still, there not much telecom carriers that doesn't use huawei stuff... it's cheap, works more or less ok, and since it's a copy of everything in the market it has mixed technologies ;) [09:02] Makaveli_ma (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [09:02] *more or less* is the key phrase [09:02] expect less then more :) [09:03] slava_dp: depends... i haven't hear any issues with their base stations (for mobile) [09:03] why does xdg-mime write to ~/.kde/share/config/profilerc (i don't have KDE ?!) [09:03] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:03] i won't press the matter.... maybe my modem was just unlucky [09:04] One thing I liked about their 3G modem is that it contains a USB storage element as well, which contains the drivers. [09:04] Dominus, it's the one that got broken here hehe [09:04] it also has that storage [09:04] but with offtopic drivers!! [09:05] who needs offtopic drivers??? [09:05] mindbendr (n=neveraga@80.68.37.171) left irc: "leaving" [09:05] gabriel (n=gabriel@wlan.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [09:06] spook_ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:08] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:19] mwendi (n=ledre@120.162.143.22) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:20] the prices are ridiculous :/ [09:20] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:22] mobipocket on cellphone [09:23] there's a linux version [09:24] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.71.215) joined ##slackware. [09:25] me__ (n=me_@78.146.165.178) joined ##slackware. [09:27] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:27] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:28] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:28] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:29] hmmm cell phones hate me and mine has a monochrome tiny screen :D so i need a dedicated ebook device :/ [09:29] mwendi (n=ledre@120.162.143.22) joined ##slackware. [09:29] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:30] mwendi (n=ledre@120.162.143.22) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:34] Action: slava_dp thinks what the hell is "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,1); Cannot open root device." [09:35] slava_dp: first time compiling a kernel? :P [09:35] it's a joy isn't it [09:35] nope [09:35] lots of compiles [09:36] but first time of an error? :P [09:36] i just did a make oldconfig to 2.6.28 with my stock slack 27 config [09:36] which 27 config? smp-huge? [09:36] hey, is there a difference between "halt" and "shutdown -s now"? [09:36] smp-huge [09:36] other than the number of letters used :p [09:38] slava_dp: sounds like you're missing support for whatever filesystem you're using. [09:39] mwendi (n=ledre@120.162.143.22) joined ##slackware. [09:43] mwendi (n=ledre@120.162.143.22) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:44] hey... has anyone ever gotten X to run on a widescreen monitor with black bars on the left/right? [09:44] you want black bars? [09:44] Action: bughunter2 just got a dejavu about a dejavu [09:45] like I want to run a piece of software that runs fullscreen in 640x480, or 1024x768. On my 16:9 monitor, that means the picture get stretched [09:45] so yah, I really do want (optional) black bars [09:46] Urchlay, i think it depends on the monitor, as whatever image you provide will get stretched full length... [09:46] tried using xvidtune to narrow the picture, but it won't get anywhere near where I want it [09:47] i'll trade monitors with you :) [09:47] :) [09:47] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:47] the other option would be to dig my ancient 21" CRT out of the closet, clear off enough desk space, and run dual-head again [09:49] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.71.215) left irc: "Leaving" [09:50] mwendi (n=ledre@120.162.143.22) joined ##slackware. [09:50] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.71.215) joined ##slackware. [09:50] mwendi (n=ledre@120.162.143.22) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:51] bughunter2 (n=jg@77.164.66.126) left ##slackware. [09:53] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:53] BP{K}, hmm, i have my fs in config [09:55] me__ (n=me_@78.146.165.178) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:55] gabriel (n=gabriel@wlan.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:55] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [09:55] hughszg (n=hugh_2@58.33.147.17) left ##slackware. [09:57] why is make silentoldconfig not silent at all? [09:57] huh [09:58] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:58] yeah it asks me questions [09:58] If you're taking an oldconfig and using it for a newer kernel.. its going to ask you questions [09:58] no matter what 'silent' option you use [09:58] slava_dp: the problem is those unanswered _new_ questions that don't have a default setting [09:59] they do have a default [09:59] if you apply an old conf they dont [09:59] correct [09:59] valvola (n=fabiovio@salugit.unile.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:00] if you've got an old .config, can you not just "make menuconfig", then immediately save/exit, to set all the new options to their defaults? [10:00] Urchlay, seems like a viable option [10:00] of course the defaults might turn out to not be what you want... [10:01] all i want is the new ath5k wireless driver. i don't care about the rest.... [10:01] wamaral (i=1000@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [10:03] ath5k has been in the kernel for a while now. the only problem is if you're trying to make an ap with it [10:03] he said _new_ :) [10:04] the new one [10:04] not the old one thats been in the kernel for a while [10:04] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:05] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:05] just keep your elbow on the enter key if you want the defaults when using make oldconfig [10:06] lol [10:06] alisonken1home, ath5k in 27 does not support atheros 2424 wireless. I hope the one in 28 will (cause they say it's supported on the website). [10:06] yes '' | make oldconfig <--- that work? [10:06] "make randconfig" looks interesting [10:07] just a find a default config from a distro that uses 2.6.28 [10:09] hm. ath5k works horribly, with my "Atheros AR5001X+" card... have to use the madwifi ath_pci driver to get any kind of performance [10:10] (afaict, the only difference between the 2 drivers is that madwifi uses the original proprietary card firmware, and ath5k uses reverse-engineered fw...) [10:10] im currently also using the ath5k module and have no complaints [10:10] tank-man: what kinda card have you got? [10:11] not sure [10:11] lspci? [10:12] 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) [10:12] tank-man, that's what i have [10:12] ah, completely different card from the one I have [10:13] tank-man, but ath5k in the kernel 27 does not work for me [10:14] i think it worked for me with the huge 2.6.27 kernel from slack12.2, I can't [10:14] remember [10:14] i updated to 2.6.28 now [10:14] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [10:14] gabriel (n=gabriel@wlan.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [10:14] then what i'm doing is not worthless :) [10:15] good luck [10:15] onward to victory then [10:15] YES, it booted. i can tell you it's blazing fast guys. [10:16] even if huge, it's twice as fast to boot as 27 [10:16] whats in 28 thats not in 27 that you need anyway? [10:16] what was the problem ? [10:16] oic ath2424 [10:16] for me, better support for my touchpad, two finger scrolling [10:17] *sigh* I swear, I cannot believe that a software package as important as lilo is hosted on a dynamic ip address. [10:18] and YES, ath5k WORKS for me. So happy! [10:18] i can finally do a scan [10:18] http://lilo.go.dyndns.org takes you to... a roadrunner 404 page. [10:19] Amallya (n=Adyna@89.137.201.44) joined ##slackware. [10:19] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.49.129) joined ##slackware. [10:19] mishehu, lol unbelievable [10:20] but as someone else said before, just upload it to ftp and let everyone else mirror it [10:20] tank-man: it's irritating because I wanted to check to see if there's any updates that will allow me to install lilo on the MBR of /dev/vda (paravirtualized block device, used in kvm) [10:21] I'm not the software maintainer for lilo, my mirroring might not be up-to-date. (probably isn't) [10:22] hmm first comment on the freshmeat.net page of lilo might be of interest to you [10:22] "how to install LILO boot loader into a disk image" [10:22] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:23] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [10:24] upyr1 (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [10:26] tank-man: heh, I never realized that people put comments on the freshmeat pages. I usually end up clicking on the links before ever scrolling down [10:26] taking a look at it [10:26] you probably saw them but thought they were google text ads eh :) [10:28] tank-man: that too [10:28] hmm [10:28] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [10:30] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.71.215) left irc: "Leaving" [10:31] I hope that this isn't an issue of something being hard coded in lilo. it seems the major difference is he explicity defines the geometry of the disk and where to place the map and install, whereas in kvm wiki it states only to specify bios=0x80. [10:31] but I'll give it a shot and see [10:32] lilo always returns an error of "device /dev/vda is not a master boot device with partitions" [10:33] pprkut (n=hwiesing@gw.fh-burgenland.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:34] vda? [10:34] straterra: /dev/vda and subsequent partitions is what you get when you launch kvm with virtio block device instead of emulated hda/scsi [10:35] oh [10:35] bijit (n=benji@201.198.72.142) joined ##slackware. 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[10:44] :D [10:44] i think it's an x issue [10:45] try closing your windows, then ctl-alt-backspace? [10:45] when I go into a text box, the pointer changes and it remains as text pointer... [10:45] alisonken1home: that's exactly what I don't want to do :p [10:47] P4C0 (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:47] have you tried just switching from tty7 to tty1 and forth (fixes some glitches for me :P)? [10:48] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [10:51] man updatedb is hogging my system again :( [10:51] lw0x15: why arent you running it at 3am? [10:52] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Client Quit [10:52] because i am using PC at 3am usually lol [10:52] "man updatedb" runs preety fast here :D [10:52] hmmmm deja vu [10:52] P4C0 (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) joined ##slackware. [10:53] killed it [10:53] woo back to 10% cpu usage [10:54] fail [10:54] updatedb is fail [10:54] lw0x15, just disable it in cron at slocate [10:54] thats what i am gonna do [10:54] double failr [10:55] Zordrak: spelling fail [10:55] typo [10:55] deal [10:56] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) joined ##slackware. [10:57] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.68.44) joined ##slackware. [11:00] lakislav (n=lakislav@77.77.53.133) joined ##slackware. [11:00] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.81) joined ##slackware. [11:04] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [11:05] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.22.141) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:05] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-5-157.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:05] Problem: I change my RTL8139 100mbit to new one RTL8169 1Gb lan card, I instaled sucesfull rtl drivers. but whan i do reboot to my slackware, lsmod - there are difrent modules 3c59x.ko and I have to install again rtl8139 modules, after reboot same problem. [11:05] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left ##slackware. [11:08] check /etc/rc.d/rc.modules, also if you know which drivers you don't need, you can blacklist them in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist [11:08] lakislav: /etc/rc.d/rc.modules [11:09] lakislav, what do you mean "installed successfully" you installed the linux drivers for the network card ? [11:11] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) joined ##slackware. [11:12] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:13] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.65.111) joined ##slackware. [11:14] i instaled modules for R1869 sucesfull. [11:14] xeon (n=xeon@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:14] i set up vnc server on a windows desktop, i can connect to it just fine from windows, but i also installed vnc on my slackware on my laptop and it doesnt allow my to connect. says something like no matching security types, but the server is working just fine and i can use it from a windows machine with a vnc client??? [11:15] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:15] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "#E>6C" [11:16] lakislav, you did that the already existing kernel modules were not ok ? [11:16] s/you/why [11:16] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:16] SM177Y: you of course realize that there are more than one vnc software available. [11:16] yes. [11:16] for example, I have tightvnc on my machine. [11:17] SM177Y: you're not following. unless "vnc server" is the name of the software that you installed, it's not likely anybody can help you. [11:17] twolf_ (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [11:17] lol my bad [11:18] realvnc [11:18] i guess i could try tight vnc [11:18] I don't know which is better, I simply have tightvnc [11:18] I'm not advocating one over the other. [11:18] dhex (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [11:19] well what would i be doing wrong that doesnt let my linux machine connect to it but a windows machine works just fine [11:19] and actually I'm a little annoyed that tightvnc doesn't handle SSL. it would be useful to connect to kvm guest os's with it [11:20] ALVAN, After I Put new lan card RTL8169, slacware load 3com module 3c5x.ko, so I rmmodule 3c5x.ko and i insmod r8169.ko and the card start to work, but after reboot again slackware load 3c5x.ko [11:20] SM177Y: since I don't have realvnc here, I can only speculate that it's some error or something missing from your configuraiton [11:20] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [11:20] hey [11:20] ok [11:20] ho [11:21] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:21] ill see what i can do. im gonna try tight vnc and see if i have any better luck [11:21] ill second the tightvnc option [11:21] lakislav: if you're using a recent slackware install, I'd be VERY surprised that it was automatically installing the modules for 3c5x. unless it's in one of your rc scripts. udev doesn't tend to try to load modules for hardware taht doesn't exist. [11:22] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.68.44) joined ##slackware. [11:24] ALVAN (n=erters@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [11:24] i love slackware [11:24] seconded. [11:24] xeon (n=xeon@24-207-170-47.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:24] lakislav (n=lakislav@77.77.53.133) left irc: [11:26] would you fall from the third floor for it ? [11:28] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:29] aperturefever: yeah [11:29] vexter (n=t7DS@unaffiliated/vexter) joined ##slackware. [11:30] vexter (n=t7DS@unaffiliated/vexter) left ##slackware. [11:30] i want to see that :D [11:31] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:32] gabriel (n=gabriel@wlan.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:33] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.65.111) left irc: ":wq" [11:33] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:34] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.118.225.191.wireless.dyn.drei.com) joined ##slackware. [11:35] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "leaving" [11:36] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. 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[12:11] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:15] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:17] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: "Leaving" [12:23] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host32-233-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:23] Anyone know why amavisd-new comes with so many virus scanners uncommented by default? [12:24] renew01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-164-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:25] Zordrak: because it assumes you have at least one [12:25] amavisd-new + mail zu is nice [12:25] however I use maia mailguard [12:26] Action: Alan_Hicks just uses spam-assassin [12:27] arny (n=arny@79.119.165.42) joined ##slackware. [12:27] conraid (n=conraid@82.49.167.15) left irc: "Goodbye IRC" [12:28] Alan_Hicks: yeah cause you're a glutton for punishment ;) [12:28] Alan_Hicks: you use procmail to process or what? [12:28] procmail [12:28] aye [12:28] see.. i don't understand procmail ;) [12:28] I understand postfix+maia mailguard/amavisd-new/MailScanner though :P [12:29] Just read regex(7). [12:29] Dominian, what MTA do u use? :) [12:29] heh [12:29] arny: postfix [12:29] Used qmail long ago.. too much of a headache. [12:30] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [12:31] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [12:35] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [12:35] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [12:37] Kerio2004 (n=Port@89.5.55.55) joined ##slackware. [12:37] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:39] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [12:39] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [12:40] there it goes... my hd doing strange things [12:40] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:40] Dominian: yah.. but u gotta go through commenting them all out instead of just uncommenting just 1 or 2 [12:41] aye [12:45] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Leaving" [12:49] i was just planning on using clamav... perhaps you reckon clamav and maia too? [12:49] U-Neeks (n=666@200-163-13-36.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:50] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [12:50] Garak_ (n=Garak@stjhnf0112w-142162170051.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) joined ##slackware. [12:51] Anyone know where I might find a slackware package for avr-gcc, the download link on linuxpackages dosn't work [12:51] Zordrak: clamav is the antivirus.. maia mailguard is just a "tool" that uses clamav to scan antivirus [12:51] orite [12:51] like amavisd+ [12:51] ? [12:51] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] Like Dominian is just a... never mind ¬_¬ [12:52] Action: fred hides [12:52] Garak_: linuxpackages For The Fail! [12:52] Dominian: you use maia? [12:52] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [12:52] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:53] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:53] straterra: that's what is on slackadelic right now.. yes [12:53] Compiling gcc for avr, Fail! x3 [12:53] Dominian: I'm trying to get spamassassin/amavisd-new to put spam in a Spam box :/ [12:53] Zordrak: maia-mailguard is based off of amavisd-new [12:53] ali_ (n=ali@89.181.7.175) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:53] orite ... whats the purpose? extra features? [12:53] Zordrak: its a customized version so it works well with the web interface it provides.. and I really like maia mailguard as I Integrated user logins to IMAP.. so I don't have to manage two DBs [12:54] ali_ (n=ali@89.180.201.174) joined ##slackware. [12:54] Zordrak: the site is well documented [12:54] so now i may have to start again again! [12:54] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [12:54] damnnit.. i wish people would tell me aboot these things earlier [12:55] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:55] Zordrak: yeah if you have amavisd-new installed and want to use maia mailguard.. you'll want to remove amavisd-new first [12:55] wahcordian (n=wahcordi@97-119-176-223.albq.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:55] in either case my work up to now is wasted [12:56] wahcordian (n=wahcordi@97-119-176-223.albq.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:56] evo_ (n=evo@wrzb-5f75ada1.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [12:56] Zordrak: I did the same thing.. trust me [12:56] Dominian: so you recommend maia? [12:57] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [12:57] hmmm [12:57] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:57] straterra: aye.. same thing that fuzzbawl uses as well [12:57] not liking this pseudo review: [12:58] It's not in my Gentoo repo [12:58] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chel.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:58] straterra: probably won't be [12:58] Why's that? [12:58] maiamailguard.jp/caveats.html [12:58] straterra: gentoo doesn't have everything :P [12:58] More than Slackware :P [12:59] straterra: does gentoo have gentoo? ;) [12:59] Jes [12:59] straterra: yes.. however.. everything that comes with slackware can fit on one DVD.. [12:59] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [12:59] everything that comes with Gentoo has to be downloaded ;P [12:59] Dominian: except testing/ ;) [13:00] Linus (n=Lee@bl7-131-34.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:00] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [13:00] BP{k}: right [13:00] BP{k}: However I think testing/ is on the install DVD... [13:00] :) [13:00] oh.. no its not [13:00] because -current doesn't have DVDs [13:00] duh [13:01] the actual dir is, but it's empty. [13:01] :) [13:01] right [13:01] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [13:02] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [13:02] I measure my -current to be about 4.9GB at the moment. but I haven't finished pulling the full testing/ yet. 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[13:07] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [13:07] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:08] bono (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [13:08] Nick change: bono -> uva [13:10] Zordrak: it doesn't [13:10] Zordrak: I was only mentioning it [13:10] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [13:10] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:10] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.68.44) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:11] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.68.44) joined ##slackware. [13:12] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:14] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "leaving" [13:14] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-170-13.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. 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[14:01] not necessarily [14:01] but hmm [14:01] damnnit im so utterly torn [14:01] heh [14:01] You can use amavisd-new [14:01] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejk163.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:01] so many +s and -s [14:01] if you later want to implement a web interface for spam qurantine management.. then you can use mail zu or something similar [14:02] oh ffs [14:02] Garka (n=Garak@stjhnf0112w-142162170051.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:02] mailzu.net down [14:03] http://sourceforge.net/projects/mailzu [14:04] amavisd-new is not a "wrong" choice, if you have no httpd on the mail server [14:04] correct [14:04] which is why I stated he could add mail zu later :P [14:05] Garka (n=Garak@stjhnf0112w-142162170051.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) joined ##slackware. [14:06] the mailserver would be http-less for clanliness and performance [14:06] but i could justify doing it for a reasonable purpose [14:07] eg was planning no DB [14:07] aye [14:07] just use amavisd-new then [14:07] but may just be worth doing mysql backend for postfix conf [14:08] would make it easier to ghange stuff with a web interface on another box [14:08] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) joined ##slackware. [14:09] Garak_ (n=Garak@stjhnf0112w-142162170051.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [14:09] Nick change: Garka -> Garak_ [14:09] anyone ever feel like yelling profanities at the top of your lungs because something just won't work? [14:10] yes [14:10] so i do :) [14:10] thats a normal day it seems for me fuzzbawl. :P [14:10] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.118.225.191.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:11] badhaircut (i=badhairc@gateway/tor/x-24cd8900a5f87023) joined ##slackware. [14:11] fuzzbawl: is that why I keep getting packet loss? [14:11] Action: Dominian ducks [14:11] Dominian: who knows [14:11] hehe [14:11] I can't track it down [14:11] aha.. so there is an "issue" [14:12] honestly I'm not sure [14:12] no worries [14:12] Need me to instal smokeping or anything to monitor latencies? [14:12] it's one of those things where it happens, you can see some applications have issues, but nothing is out of the ordinary and nothing has changed [14:12] I think I have gremlins [14:13] Dominian: we've got it on cacti here but might not hurt from your VM's viewpoint [14:13] fuzzbawl: could it be QoS .. vlan issues.. bandwidth spiking somewhere? [14:13] fuzzbawl: k. [14:13] fuzzbawl: I'll work on getting smokeping installed then I'll get the IPs you want me to ping. [14:13] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-21755.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:14] evening :) [14:14] k [14:23] Makaveli_ma (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:24] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:25] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [14:26] http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=294 [14:28] fuzzbawl: right now got a big download going.. will ahve to wait a minute... [14:28] fuzzbawl: ya know.. cause of the I/O.. don'twant to switch windows too much ;) hehehe [14:28] hehe [14:29] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.68.44) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:30] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.68.44) joined ##slackware. [14:31] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:31] badhaircut (i=badhairc@gateway/tor/x-24cd8900a5f87023) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:34] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:34] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[14:43] Dominian: im gonna stick with amavisd-new [14:43] lowkyalur (n=low@icm4-orange.orange.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:45] as per rob0 i dont think bayes is the biggest of my worries and ill not only be wasting resources but also giving the users too much that they either dont need or dont want [14:50] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.68.44) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:50] hi there does anyone know if the fonts I'd like syslinux to load at boot (early boot) must be placed in isolinux/ or may they be placed in another directory then called by syslinux via absolute path? sorry for my english [14:50] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:50] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.68.44) joined ##slackware. [14:52] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:52] I'm trying right now to localize slackware installation into my own language (maybe internationalize, who knows) [14:53] ip-route (n=ip-route@unaffiliated/ip-route) left irc: "[BX] Silly wabbit, BitchX is for kids!" [14:53] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [14:54] yea, that might help [14:55] ack, wrong window [14:56] rset [14:57] appzer0, o_- [14:57] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:58] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host32-233-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:02] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:05] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [15:05] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.27) left irc: [15:06] lowkyalur (n=low@icm4-orange.orange.sk) joined ##slackware. [15:07] since 12.2 laptop-mode is not reacting on plugin in or out the powersupply on my thinkpad. anybody got an idea why this was working before and now not? [15:08] anyone know an application that strips HTML out of emails? [15:08] from STDOUT [15:08] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.29) joined ##slackware. [15:08] sed. [15:08] acidchild: did you try a php script using strip_tags()? [15:09] i don't want to write anything :-( [15:09] sed. [15:09] perl! [15:09] _40oxo_ (n=o40z@accweb.evergreen.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:09] eh, more usefully for a non-programmer: links -dump [15:09] (or lynx -dump) [15:10] i'll just write something -sigh- lol [15:10] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [15:10] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [15:10] links -dump file.html > file.txt <--- quick & dirty [15:11] can you feed links with a stream? [15:11] yeah [15:11] i need to pipe to something to strip out tags [15:11] 'no, fine then [15:11] try "links -dump /dev/stdin" [15:11] no [15:12] it would be links -dump - [15:12] eh, tried that, it didn't like it [15:12] Unknown option - [15:12] indeed, links isn't the way forward [15:12] all depends what you're trying to accomplish [15:12] i'll just write something using HTML::TagFilter [15:12] try sed. [15:13] sed 's/<[^>]*>//g' [15:14] links actually formats the HTML as somewhat-readable text though... [15:17] arny (n=arny@79.119.165.42) left irc: "Leaving" [15:17] fuzzbawl: working on smokeping install now [15:18] finally [15:18] i mean, yay [15:18] fuzzbawl: ello ello =) [15:18] acidchild: heya! how goes it? [15:18] not bad, something weird just happened though, the screen flashed 4 times and then rebooted :/ [15:19] gremlins [15:19] has to be. [15:19] because it wasnt' a hard reboot. [15:20] how about yourself [15:20] skatar (n=lupin@host162-48-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:21] tracking down some weird issue [15:21] couple customers are having weird latency, others coming off the same equipment are not [15:22] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-87-134-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [15:22] Wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: "Leaving" [15:22] are they on the same switch? [15:22] although in the last half hour I have not had any warnings from Nagios alerting of high (>50ms) pings [15:22] yep [15:23] i had to replace a switch the other day... everybody was getting 300ms accross it. [15:23] but it's across the data center, different routers and different switches [15:23] O.o [15:23] yea. I always get the weird issues [15:23] Wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [15:23] I can't even blame this one on Dominian [15:24] Wolven: o/ [15:24] hey jkwood =) [15:24] fuzzbawl: now I just have to figure out how to install smokeping again [15:25] reading the install docs now [15:25] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-166-69-205.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:26] smokeping is so easy to install [15:26] its unreal [15:26] and nagios is having a strange problem too. host checks are at 0.453 second latency, service checks are at 162.922 sec latency [15:27] thing is, they are all parallelized, compiled apps. host checks are mixed in with service checks on Nagios 3.x [15:27] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.68.44) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:27] acidchild: maybe so [15:27] check your email [15:27] lol [15:27] Wolven: I see on your site that you were having some hosting issues. Are those resolved? [15:28] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: Connection timed out [15:28] _carlos_ (n=_carlos_@201-27-154-75.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:28] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.68.44) joined ##slackware. [15:28] acidchild: reading now [15:28] jkwood, not really, but I'm still online by some miracle. I do have a backup plan though [15:28] lolz [15:29] its kinda crap really [15:29] <_carlos_> hello [15:30] _carlos_ (n=_carlos_@201-27-154-75.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [15:30] acidchild, you sux [15:30] Wolven: Well, drop me a line if you need somewhere to host. I've got a VPS that doesn't do much. [15:30] the bitch speaks. [15:30] acidchild: nice document [15:30] what do you want? [15:30] i have internets now:P [15:30] shit :( [15:31] my own satellite in my yard to annoy you with! [15:31] jkwood, OK mate, thanks a bunch [15:31] nix_chix0r: when are you not annoyed with me? [15:32] you don't annoy me bebe [15:32] ;/ [15:32] why not? [15:32] i fail :( [15:32] No problem. You might consider looking into them (http://linode.com). They have nice prices and good service. [15:32] Wolven: http://www.sevenl.net/ [15:33] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:33] Lookin at both now [15:33] excellent, sevenl is good stuff :P [15:34] nix_chix0r: you move or sommat [15:34] ? [15:35] and you pushed that lump out yet? [15:35] moved into a house mid nov [15:35] naw i got little under 9 weeks to go [15:35] Makaveli_ma (i=SALADIN@41.248.41.123) joined ##slackware. [15:35] can you email me the birthing video [15:36] i need something to put on while me and my broz get high [15:36] jk [15:36] hahah [15:36] i'm not videotaping [15:36] acidchild: Those are Canadian dollars, right? ;) [15:37] jkwood: yes. [15:37] That's a little more reasonable. [15:38] nix_chix0r: common, it might be a big hit on youtube [15:38] =x [15:38] they offer HD now too [15:38] hd only works if you actually have an hd camera [15:38] they fail [15:38] i do [15:38] =] [15:39] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Connection timed out [15:41] Dominian: my snort is detecting people with spyware connecting to your mirror [15:41] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-026-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] Action: acidchild is amused [15:42] lowkyalur (n=low@icm4-orange.orange.sk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:43] deLusion__ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [15:44] acidchild: hah interesting [15:44] fuzzbawl: email me the list of IPs you want me to ping [15:44] 1.1.1.1 through 255.255.255.255 [15:45] lol [15:45] heh [15:45] in bed. [15:45] Don't forget 0:0 through A:A. [15:45] 0.0.0.1 [15:46] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) joined ##slackware. [15:46] you mean 0:: through F:: [15:46] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@C-59-100-81-83.bri.connect.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [15:46] dont type google into google- u will break the internet. [15:47] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [15:47] fuzzbawl: Let's be reasonable now. That's a lot of IP addresses. ;) [15:47] only a couple :D [15:48] ali_ (n=ali@89.180.201.174) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:48] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) joined ##slackware. [15:48] ali_ (n=ali@89.180.201.174) joined ##slackware. [15:49] fuzzbawl: want me to setup a secondary? [15:49] 64 bytes from noobfarm.org (216.23.240.160): icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=16.5 ms [15:49] acidchild: sure [15:49] so i'm guessing it would be fairly acturate. [15:49] fuzzbawl: email me the list of IPs [15:50] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. 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[16:02] ash@7a69.co.uk [16:03] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:03] tal__br00 (n=br00tal@eu130.ips.paulbunyan.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:04] tal__br00 (n=br00tal@66-188-149-192.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:07] deLusion__ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:08] deLusion__ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:08] slackbunny (n=slackbun@173.9.254.98) joined ##slackware. [16:09] TimothyPollard (n=TimothyP@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [16:14] hi ... [16:14] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.68.44) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:15] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: Client Quit [16:15] fuzzbawl: you send those IPs yet? [16:15] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.158.226.35.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:15] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.68.44) joined ##slackware. [16:16] Dominian: er, yes? [16:16] just got it [16:16] you should have seen the email by now [16:16] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [16:17] ruben231 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left ##slackware. [16:19] Makaveli_ma (i=SALADIN@41.248.41.123) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:21] twolf_ (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [16:21] can someone do [16:21] strings `which tcpdump` |egrep 'bash|^/bin/sh|file\.h|proc\.h|/dev/[^b]|^/bin/.*sh' [16:21] and tell me the output? [16:23] mindeq (n=as@213.190.34.28) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [16:23] @acidchild /dev/usbmon%d [16:23] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:24] thank you TimothyPollard [16:24] josemanuel (n=josemanu@249.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [16:24] TimothyPollard: do you have wireshark installed? [16:24] mine has no output [16:25] nooper: thanks. [16:25] :) [16:25] nooper: do you have wireshark or usbutils installed? [16:25] TimothyPollard: same question as nooper [16:25] acidchild: /dev/usbmon%d <--- only line of output. [16:25] i have usbutils, but no wireshark [16:26] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:26] only usbutils, no wireshark for me too [16:26] Alan_Hicks: do you have wireshark istalled? [16:26] acidchild: Of course not. [16:26] mmm weird. [16:26] That's what tcpdump is for. [16:26] Trojaned version of file '/usr/sbin/tcpdump' detected. Signature used: 'bash|^/bin/sh|file\.h|proc\.h|/dev/[^b]|^/bin/.*sh' (Generic). [16:26] some versions have /dev/usbmon%d and some dont. [16:27] Action: nooper has tcpdump 3.9.8 [16:27] i486-1 [16:27] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:27] tcpdump version 4.0.0 [16:27] for me.. [16:27] Alan_Hicks: what about yourself? and what version of slackware. [16:27] 12.1 [16:28] 12.2.0 for me.. [16:28] /dev/usbmon%d -- tcpdump-4.0.0-i486-1 [16:28] Okey, i'll send in a bug report :-) thanks guys. [16:28] acidchild: whats reporting it? [16:28] 12.2 [16:28] ossec [16:29] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-135-86.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:29] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:31] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. 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[16:43] wamaral (i=1000@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:44] Alright, so I got a 2-bay RAID-1 enclosure with two 1TB WD harddrives and I set up LUKS on it. Because it's an external hd connected via usb, I'm wondering what would be the best way to mount that thing automatically, which would enclude (activating the crypt node, activating lvm, and mounting the mapped devices to a mount point) [16:45] kunwon1_ (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) joined ##slackware. [16:45] ali_ (n=ali@89.180.201.174) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:46] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) left irc: [16:46] ali_ (n=ali@89.180.201.174) joined ##slackware. [16:49] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [16:52] I'm looking forward into buying a new computer (and aswell switch OS from WinXP to Slackware, yey). I'm not sure where to look for information on compatible hardware for Linux in general, and for Slackware now. I'm planning to buy this graphics card: "XFX Geforce 9400GT 550M 1GB PhysX CUDA". [16:52] Dominian: k. let me know. heading out [16:52] fuzzbawl: I will.. just still working on it... [16:53] kjell: Nvidia cards work fine. [16:54] holdmypocket (n=choward@168-215-208-8.static.twtelecom.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:55] kjell really almost everything that you would buy new today is going to work in slack. [16:55] jkwood: Thanks a lot! I'm also looking for a mentor, to make a smooth switchover. I'm not scared of reading documents, I just might need some pokes now and then. If anyone is glad to help, I would love it. Although, I guess I will have to do this on my own, just had to ask if I were lucky ;) [16:56] kjell: anyone in here can help ya or point you where to read. [16:56] 24/7 [16:56] 31 [16:57] 24/7 [in bed] [16:57] yes but many of use are starting to not like spoon feeding but if you help yourself then ask we will gladly help you [16:57] starting? [16:57] I havent like spoonfeeding for the last 4 years [16:57] Sweet. Looking forward to switch to slack. I've been using WinXP until now because of school-courses. [16:58] fidesratio (n=fidesrat@80-42-235-218.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [16:58] dguitar (n=dguitar@unaffiliated/dguitar) left irc: [16:58] my teacher isnt happy that i use slack lol [16:59] she was like "well how i am going to open the files?" [16:59] I used Linux during school...and no one even knew [16:59] Did you tell her to get slack? ;) [16:59] hehe [16:59] she thought college is going need to pay for the linux license [17:00] ... [17:00] yes, pay me $599 [17:00] lol [17:01] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) left irc: "Leaving" [17:03] tal__br00 (n=br00tal@66-188-149-192.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:03] lol [17:03] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-230.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:04] there..are linux licenses [17:05] and you can buy a support license for Slackware [17:05] yeah but generally [17:05] its free [17:05] tal__br00 (n=br00tal@66-188-149-192.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:06] kinda [17:06] still costs time [17:06] evo- (n=evo@95.117.151.190) joined ##slackware. [17:06] and bandwidth, etc [17:06] and lots of elbow grease [17:06] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-026-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:06] to make things just the way you want them [17:06] that falls under time [17:07] elbow grease isn't just time [17:07] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:07] bums can pass a lot of time without doing anything ;-) [17:07] yes, but effort cant tangibly be measured [17:07] time can [17:08] but it's a combination of both ;-) [17:08] and I can tangibly measure my effort by a rate... effort per time, which usually comes out to be around $175/hour [17:08] kjell: Sorry for the delay in responding. Most of the time, if I'm in here, I'm willing to help out. Sometimes, that help may be pointing you to the docs, but it's for the best. [17:09] Action: mishehu grins [17:09] jkwood: No problems. I'm beginning to enjoy this community already. [17:10] slackware is adddicting [17:10] once you join you never go back [17:10] We're a motley crew, but a fine one. [17:11] addicting* [17:11] Action: Alan_Hicks knows he's fine. [17:11] lw0x15: I don't know if I'd go that far. [17:11] jkwood: once i joined, never looked back to windows ;] [17:11] or any other distro [17:11] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [17:12] Alan_Hicks: Oh for the love of all that has eyes, please don't bring out that picture of you in a speedo again! [17:12] ali_ (n=ali@89.180.201.174) left irc: Connection timed out [17:13] jkwood: that almost makes it sound like you want to see it. [17:14] For the record, I have never worn and will never wear a speedo or anything like a speedo. [17:14] Commando, baby! [17:14] Action: Dominian has worn a speedo [17:14] They're just not big enough in the front. [17:14] but I was also a diver/swimmer in highschool [17:15] Alan_Hicks: they have "big" speedos [17:15] ;) [17:15] Alan_Hicks: I think perhaps you're confusing speedos with corsets. [17:15] Ever hear about folks who're hung like horses? [17:15] Horse ain't got nothin' on me. ;^) [17:16] Alan_Hicks: You got your beer goggles on again or something? [17:16] Yeap! [17:16] "again" [17:16] Action: Dominian can tell [17:18] Skwals (i=DASF@189-92-201-107.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:19] Action: eviljames is wearing a speedo right now [17:19] don't tell my coworkers. [17:19] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:19] ali_ (n=ali@89.181.101.49) joined ##slackware. [17:20] You really earned the "evil" in your nick didn't you? [17:20] lol [17:20] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:21] what's a speedo? [17:21] yah what's so wrong with speedo? :) [17:22] and proof that ignorance can be bliss ;) [17:22] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:22] evo_ (n=evo@wrzb-5f75ada1.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:22] Alan_Hicks: You have no idea... [17:22] :) [17:22] BP{k}: evening (: [17:22] word345 (n=word345@ll62-68-188-251-62.ll62.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [17:22] oh i see [17:22] lw0x15: how goes? :) [17:22] swimming outfit [17:23] BP{k}: pretty good actually ;] you ? [17:24] not bad, about time for more beer :) [17:25] fidesratio (n=fidesrat@80-42-235-218.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:25] hehe [17:26] what kind of?;] [17:26] got some el cheapo lager, a "bishop finger" from Shepherd Neame Brewery, and a Strophire Lad from the Wood's brewery. [17:27] woah not too shabby there [17:27] i have slacware 12.2 in laptop , i tray run Terimnal Emulator but the KDE block when i push Enter for running Terminal Emulator [17:27] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:28] lw0x15: yeah, the beers from Shepherd Neame is pretty decent. I am also quite partial to anything from the Wychwood brews :) [17:28] word345: you have xfce installed? [17:29] BP{k}, yes [17:29] arktvrvs (i=stygian@adsl-66-142-222-90.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:29] BP{k}, v 4.4.3 [17:30] word345: when you say `the KDE block` what do you mean? [17:30] word345: you are running X with the default xorg.conf? [17:31] hwiesinger (n=hwiesing@77.116.253.39.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:31] codestr0m (n=codestr0@unaffiliated/codestr0m) joined ##slackware. [17:31] alienBOB, yes [17:31] I need to learn more about the slackware package, repo and metadata format [17:32] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.241.110) joined ##slackware. [17:32] word345: and you try to start the XFCE terminal application? Not KDE's konsole? [17:32] can someone point me at examples or binary packages.. (how to extract.. ) sorry for such uninformed questions [17:32] codestr0m: http://slackbuilds.org for a start [17:32] BP{k}, I can not control with the mouse or keyboard [17:33] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-87-134-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [17:33] LeandroLuiz (i=leandro@200217100008.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:33] LeandroLuiz (i=leandro@200217100008.user.veloxzone.com.br) left ##slackware. [17:33] alienBOB, system > terminal emulator from KDE [17:33] word345: there is a but with xfce's terminal application, together with the default VESA driver for X.Org. Bad things can happen. You must run xorgconfig or xorgsetup and select a proper graphics driver for your card [17:34] alienBOB: thanks [17:34] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:34] word345: yes that is the XFCE application "terminal" with the bug I described [17:34] alienBOB, i type startx in console for using KDE [17:35] Leokav (n=leonardo@189.124.197.182) joined ##slackware. [17:35] Yes. That is fine as long as you do not start terminal [17:35] Leokav (n=leonardo@189.124.197.182) left ##slackware. [17:35] you can start xfce from the console by typing in startxfce4 [17:35] Either you use konsole ()the KE terminal version) or you configure your X to use a better driver than the default VESA driver [17:35] Pig_Pen: that is not the issue here, please do not confuse [17:36] ok, sorry [17:36] If you want to use another window manager run "xwmconfig" instead [17:36] word345: first time Linux user? [17:37] alienBOB, not really [17:37] are you new to Slackware? (slackware is old school Linux) [17:37] Then you should try to configure X with better settings than the default. [17:38] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.68.44) joined ##slackware. [17:38] word345 (n=word345@ll62-68-188-251-62.ll62.iam.net.ma) left irc: "Leaving" [17:39] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [17:40] What the fuck is he leaving for [17:41] I am not sure he even understood it all [17:41] nargon (n=mike@217.194.139.4) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:41] a new user? bit off more than he can chew maybe? [17:41] lol [17:41] nargon (n=mike@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [17:41] Our latest ex-new user perhaps [17:42] :]] [17:42] we get lots of those in here every week [17:42] someday I will be an ex-new user. [17:42] I think the should shift goal and make Slackware a bit less userfriendly [17:43] naw, Slackware is damn near perfect for a Linux distro [17:43] alienBOB: You may be saying that in sarcasm, but I honestly agree. [17:43] alienBOB: Built in IQ test. [17:44] the list of mirrors can be kept secret [17:44] if Slackware turned in to an easy distro i would cry, then switch to Arch or Crux [17:44] never heard of crux :o [17:45] ali_ (n=ali@89.181.101.49) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:45] Pig_Pen, true [17:45] Crux is pretty good, it does not include a pre-compiled kernel, you install with the CD, then chroot the install and build a kernel (it does include kernel source) [17:45] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:45] ali_ (n=ali@89.181.1.155) joined ##slackware. [17:46] Pig_Pen, i would have some difficulty using dependey solver distros also [17:46] Pig_Pen: arch already is an "easy" distro. That's why it sucks. [17:46] eviljames, but pacman > apt [17:46] * > apt [17:46] auto dependency resolving messes up the way i like to customize my systems [17:46] So, let's leave that out of the question. [17:47] eviljames, including opensuse's ? [17:47] eviljames, apt > rpm [17:47] ach [17:47] I can make it crash whenever I want : I just need to set dependancies manually [17:47] I just got called out, and you guys win. [17:47] * > apt > rpm :) [17:47] lol [17:47] * > apt > rpm > .exe [17:48] There we go. [17:48] Now that we have that resolved, I think we can all agree that ports is awesome. [17:48] yeah [17:48] next you will be adding Windows Update to that :D [17:48] lol [17:49] night all [17:49] windows update is not that bad [17:49] slackware-jennie (n=slackjen@unaffiliated/slackware-jennie) joined ##slackware. [17:49] gnight, sleep tight, dont let the bedbugs bite [17:49] night slava_dp [17:49] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [17:49] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:50] codestr0m (n=codestr0@unaffiliated/codestr0m) left ##slackware. [17:50] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:50] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.49.129) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:50] it was warm today, i worked in just a t-shirt most of the day [17:50] good evening good folks :-) [17:50] Pig_Pen: Where are you at? [17:50] hi macavity [17:50] oklahoma [17:50] macavity, hi [17:51] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:51] evo- (n=evo@95.117.151.190) left irc: "Don't mind your make-up, make your mind up!" [17:51] slackware-jennie (n=slackjen@unaffiliated/slackware-jennie) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:52] Pig_Pen: ahh, I'm in Vancouver and it has been relatively cold for us lately... like 30F (-1C) [17:52] its been just above freezing here today... with a windchill like antarktis due to 99% humidity and fast steady wind :-/ [17:52] ah, up north in the cold country [17:52] Pig_Pen: But I come from the frozen tundra wilderness of Edmonton, where we would have weeks of -30C or worse at a time :) [17:53] i watched those "Ice Road Truckers" drive on those frozen lakes in the Northwest Territories (too scary for me to drive on) [17:53] yeah, that was on the discovery channel [17:54] I know a guy who does that, makes great money ($220,000 / yr for 5 months work) [17:54] the Gulf of Mexico is about a 4 or 5 hour drive away, i live about 35 miles north of the Texas line [17:54] id poop polar bears if i were to drive on those "ice roads" [17:54] lol [17:54] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-60-29-115.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:54] it is *not* an ice road.. its a frozen lake! [17:54] i like pavement when it comes to driving, when i get on a dirt road i slow down to 35 or 40 mph [17:55] Pfft, I'd go get a Class 1 driver's license and do it *tomorrow*. [17:55] The money is hard to resist... but have too many in town commitments to be on the road for weeks at a time. [17:55] eviljames: are you seeing a good psychiatrist? [17:55] macavity: I'm only evil towards myself apparently :) [17:55] i had a class A commercial drivers license with Tankers & hazmat endorsements for years, [17:56] eviljames: it's -32C here in edmonton as we speak. [17:56] with the windchill [17:56] windchill doesnt count :P [17:56] chopp: beauty... my parents were saying you guys just finished a warm snap though, +6C for the last week? [17:56] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.68.44) left irc: Connection timed out [17:56] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [17:56] That might have been a week ago, though. [17:56] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.29) left irc: [17:57] hmm SeaGate has another huge issue now it seems firmware update bricks some hard drives [17:57] eviljames: yes, yesterday it was +6C [17:57] alice_ (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:57] kitche: have you ever upgraded the firmware on a hard drive? [17:57] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [17:57] chopp: I'm going to steer clear of deadmonton until probably July or mid August [17:57] macavity: nope and don't want to [17:57] When it gets super nice :D [17:58] i need a shower, bbiaf, (the lights are on but nobody is home) [17:58] eviljames: excellent choice. ;) [17:58] kitche: ever head of anyone (but pros using serisously expencive SCSI gear) who did so? [17:58] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-02c0f3f16f4ec261) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:58] chopp: I was there over xmas.. I've become somewhat climatized to Van... 20 years in Edmonton and after being gone 18 months I suddenly find -20 to be cold. [17:58] theblackerbox (n=sammo@93-97-219-159.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:59] macavity: yeah guess that's why Tigerdirect pulled those hard drives it was one of the drives in my wishlist [17:59] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-21755.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:59] eviljames: I don't think I could live in van. I spent all my life on the rigs, and would rather work in -40 than the rain. [17:59] eviljames: -20 can feel very differently depending on where you are.. you do not want to experience that here in Denmark [18:01] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: "leaving" [18:01] kitche: Samsung for big ass storrage (they are exceptionally silent) and RaptorRAID for system :P [18:01] chopp: How are things in the patch these days? Quieting down a bunch or still humming? [18:01] macavity: I beg to differ! I'd like to experience many things in Denmark! [18:02] eviljames: give me word if you drop by :P [18:02] eviljames: still going hard. I've been away from it for a couple years, but am planning on going back directional drilling here soon. [18:02] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-21755.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:02] habtool_ (n=habtool@86-45-129-206-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-87-134-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:03] chopp: That's good, hopefully there isn't too much slowdown.. The whole province will feel it. [18:03] macavity: I will do so, thanks! [18:04] eviljames: *however*... in a place where you are usually less than 60km from *at least* two oceans, no mattere where you go, you will learn a thing or two about freezing your royal hindside off, even at say 10C ;-) [18:04] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:04] macavity: I live on the pacific coast right now, and it is going between 0 and -6C most days right now [18:04] eviljames: whats the humidity and windspeed there? [18:05] currently no wind, 93% humidity and 0C [18:05] ok, that is still bearable :-) [18:05] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:06] we have +10m/s some 250 days a year [18:06] good god. [18:06] bombuzal (n=bombuzal@unaffiliated/bombuzal) left irc: "night :>" [18:06] i 93% is sommer weather :P [18:06] No trees or hills around to slow things down? I'm pinned between the mountains, a forest and the coast [18:07] Nick change: U-Neeks -> color [18:07] It was hard finding the server this channel was hosted on. I can see a thank you on the slackware.com-site but I had to guess what network it was on, hehe. [18:07] Nick change: color -> U-Neeks [18:07] On days with good visibility I can see all 3 from my balcony, actually but it is only a few minutes walk to the ocean from home :) [18:07] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:07] the mainland of denmark is an isle.. the rest is islands.. the average hight over sea level is, what, 8m or something [18:08] oh wow. [18:08] ali_ (n=ali@89.181.1.155) left irc: Connection timed out [18:08] Action: eviljames knows little of denmark.... [18:08] <- Swede [18:08] yup... denmark is just a bump that the ocean winds hits [18:08] Action: eviljames loves many bands from Sweden. [18:08] ali_ (n=ali@89.181.1.155) joined ##slackware. [18:08] kjell: I wish to thank your country for Meshuggah [18:09] eviljames: My country is pleased to give you good music. [18:09] ;-) [18:09] it'd have to be At the Gates for me [18:09] arktvrvs: Another good call! Arch Enemy can have honourable mention I think. [18:09] eviljames: http://www.danmarkskort.dk/img_kort-over-danmarks-byer/danmarkskort.gif [18:10] Was it Denmark that produced the insanely awesome 5Euro coin? [18:10] I think I will need to dine some dinner soon. [18:11] eviljames: the main isle sticking up in the middle is Jutland.. it is about 350km long.. so denmark is pretty much just a small buggar by amarikan measures [18:11] clyphox (n=human@82.45.239.218) joined ##slackware. [18:11] Does anyone know of a good program for managing mp3 libraries? Deleting duplicate songs and so forth? [18:11] There is many Swedes thinking Skåne should belong to Denmark. Others think we should create a parking lot of it instead. [18:12] macavity: As a Canadian I have gone fishing in lakes big enough to house Denmark. [18:12] eviljames: i dont think so.. the majority of the [idiot] people woted No to the Euro.. so we still use "crowns" and "ears" here :P [18:12] eviljames: i dont doubt that for a seccond :P [18:12] eviljames: does it suprise you that ive seen five distinct kinds of weathere here in the same day? [18:13] http://pythonide.blogspot.com/2008/10/how-to-make-money-with-free-software.html [18:13] that link is Dutch [18:13] sorry my mistake. [18:13] But it sure is an amazing coin. [18:13] Nick change: kunwon1_ -> kunwon1 [18:14] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left ##slackware. [18:14] macavity: 5 different types of weather is a lot, but not unbelievable... many parts of Canada have similar patterns. [18:14] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:14] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [18:14] mooglenorph: After a quick googleing I've found this post. Have you looked in to theese projects? http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/gaming-games-multimedia-entertainment/98821-linux-music-library-manager-player.html#post489038 [18:14] oh, that coin is COOL! [18:14] macavity: my last 2 weeks of weather have been fog. Nothing else, just fog. ~5m of visibility in any direction, for the entire city. [18:15] macavity: Isn't it?! Made entirely with Open Source softwarew. [18:16] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:16] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [18:16] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:17] macavity: I considered ordering the â30 euro special edition just to have [18:17] Garka (n=Garak@stjhnf0112w-142162170051.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] but then I realized that it meant spending $50 on a 5 Euro coin :) [18:17] it will probably be worth a lot to your grand children :-) [18:17] Garak_ (n=Garak@stjhnf0112w-142162170051.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:18] s/will/would/ [18:18] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [18:18] kjell, oh, yes, I have, but I don't want something to play music, I want to manage ID3 tags and the directory structure of my collection. [18:18] Nick change: Garka -> Garak_ [18:18] grandchildren... those suckers can fend for themselves! [18:18] if i had dole for that sort of thing, I would consider it as an investment [18:18] I use mpd and I'm very happy with it [18:18] mooglenorph: Use Amarok - it does all of the above. [18:19] amaroK FTW(TM) [18:19] mooglenorph: Ok, it was worth a try. Sorry if I can't help more. [18:19] Indeed. Lack of Amarok working *exactly* how it is supposed to caused my gf to say "no more ubuntu, put slackware on my computer" [18:19] amarok and yakuake are probably the apps that has shiftet my use patterns in the most positive direction [18:20] lol [18:20] Can it remove duplicate songs...? [18:20] *buntu FTL [18:20] let me check [18:20] not that i have any... [18:21] Add the same song twice macavity ;) [18:21] yes it can [18:21] "remove duplicates and dead entries" [18:21] Or copy it etc. Now I'm going to cook some of this: http://www.matservice.se/bilder/stora/7310500060330.jpg [18:21] arg.. no that was just for playlists [18:21] Ah, excellent. [18:21] Cya later peeps. [18:21] Oh, darn. [18:21] hang on [18:22] nope.. i dont think so [18:22] i always notice if i have a double, as they show up right under eachother [18:23] Darn. [18:23] mooglenorph: there are plenty of dupe finding scripts out there... [18:23] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:23] sec I have one that I used on pictures not long ago. [18:23] and there are actually a couple of files that i have duplicated on purpose.. just the tags differ [18:24] i have a very large "album" called "Various Tracks" :P [18:24] The reason I'm wondering is because I'm inheriting large music libraries from a couple people [18:24] which overlap to some degree [18:24] ah, right [18:24] use a dedicated tool for that [18:25] i use some scripts myself to unpwn the horridly messed up mp3 scheme that Scene realeases requires [18:25] both their dir/file naming and ID3 taggin tends to get on my nervers.... [18:26] Agreed, I use a python script [18:26] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "leaving" [18:26] but it appears that I don't know where I had saved it [18:27] has anyone ever used fslint? [18:27] whatis? [18:27] http://www.pixelbeat.org/fslint/ [18:27] I haven't [18:27] but [18:27] lint for filesystem drivers? [18:27] It looks exactly like what I do use. [18:28] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/fslint/ [18:29] apparently *some* slackers use it :-) [18:29] Wow, Obama and Open Source [18:29] ? [18:29] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-21755.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Connection timed out [18:29] Didn't you get that memo? It has officially been renamed to "Obama Source". [18:29] :P [18:29] Free and Obama Source Software. [18:30] skibur: talk to me? [18:30] http://digg.com/linux_unix/Obama_wants_to_know_Why_open_source [18:30] digg booo [18:31] Yea, the same story is available on Reddit. [18:31] reddit <3 [18:31] That way you don't have to deal with diggtards. [18:31] wow.. that link took down konqueror?!? [18:31] Obama is pushing an Open Government and Sun Micro-systems is write a paper because Obama asked him to. [18:31] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-9b9431845220bcda) joined ##slackware. [18:31] its cause its dig [18:31] thats been years since ive seen that [18:31] macavity: See, konqueror knows not to go to digg. [18:31] Now you do too. [18:31] lol [18:31] nice [18:32] the problem with reddit is many users are obsessed with karma [18:32] Action: macavity launches FF [18:32] Action: macavity makes a pot of coffee [18:32] Camarade_Tux: That's one of the many problems with reddit. [18:32] Action: macavity drinks all the coffee [18:32] Action: skibur asks for a a cup [18:32] Camarade_Tux: But it compounds the problem of their sensationalist headlines. [18:33] I think I'm going to leave early from work today. That will stop me from having another cup of coffee. [18:33] bijit (n=benji@201.198.72.142) left irc: "leaving" [18:33] why didnt you just post the link to the cnet story?!? [18:33] yeah [18:33] skibur: traitor [18:33] :( [18:35] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:35] why exactly dont you guys like digg? [18:35] ... besides its lack of reason for existance... [18:35] digg has too much noise in the signal to noise ratio [18:35] yes... just like slashdot :P [18:35] worse than /. [18:36] but at least the noise on slashdot is usually funny :P [18:36] macavity: compare reddit comments to dig comments [18:36] wamaral (i=1000@187.35.237.77) joined ##slackware. [18:36] eviljames, right, I stopped commenting because of the atmosphere. I only read a few reddits though [18:36] even on reddit.com/r/programming you have to restrain yourself to FP (functionnal programming) posts [18:36] *functional I guess [18:37] ah, heres the *real* story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7841486.stm [18:38] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [18:38] Digg goes to Reddit goes to C|Net goes to BBC News? [18:38] "Additional Data usage 3¢/MB, Additional Text messages 15¢/text" its like im in bizzaro world [18:38] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] ccfreak2k: i think youforgot CNN somewhere in there.. but ultimately it always ends up at BBC news (who got wind of it from either Reuter's or Ritzau's) [18:40] I read any article no matter where its from. [18:40] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [18:41] Camarade_Tux: haha I hate /r/programming.. [18:41] Action: lw0x15 Linus Torvalds already has Linux 3.0. He is just keeping it to himself to build suspense. [18:41] Camarade_Tux: For that exact reason, they seemingly censor anything that isn't Haskell [18:42] Or it is full of blog spam about how awesome EXTREME PROGRAMMING(!!!!!!!) is. Or pair programming, or whatever the technique of the week is. [18:42] lw0x15, who cares about that? [18:42] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) left irc: "leaving" [18:43] LnxSlck: certainlly not you [18:43] eviljames, how did you come to notice that sort of censor ? I did through ocaml articles being downvoted even faster when the USA woke up :) [18:43] mordy (n=mordy@pool-141-157-227-30.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] lw0x15, nope [18:44] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.47.164) left irc: "Saindo" [18:44] eviljames, and sure, you have to filter, but some things are interesting [18:45] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151057090.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:45] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-351793.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:50] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-63-37.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [18:53] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:56] Camarade_Tux: Sorry, censor is the wrong word. Mercilessly downvote might be more accurate. The groupthink/hivemind properties of Reddit could make for an interesting sociology paper I think [18:56] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [18:57] nullboy: lw0x15: http://www.woodbrewery.co.uk/shropshirelad.htm <--- pretty darn nice :D [18:57] Skwals (i=DASF@189-92-201-107.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: [18:57] eviljames, that's how I had understood it ;) [18:58] Camarade_Tux: There seems to be an old guard around the site that will actually post interesting stuff but it tends to disappear quickly. [18:58] yup, digg is the same with with lots of ubuntards infesting the linux section [18:58] Camarade_Tux: /r/reverseengineering has become my latest hobby :) [18:58] hmmm, didn't know about that one :) [18:59] #3 headline right now: Windows 7 kernel structures, #4: WIndows 7 - short list of changes in kernel32.dll exports [18:59] hrm. Looks like they're hard at work already.. heh [18:59] /dev/root 9.6G 9.6G 20K 100% / [18:59] ^^ [18:59] Hopefully this translates into further Wine development :P [18:59] hahaha [18:59] Camarade_Tux: Time to delete some log files? [18:59] eviljames, some cleanup at least :D [19:00] look in /tmp too for junk files [19:00] I've suggested for a while now that Wine port 16-bit bits to win32 so that those with 64-bit versions of Windows can use 16-bit programs. [19:00] pfew, found 120MB to spare [19:03] arktvrvs (i=stygian@adsl-66-142-222-90.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:04] Camarade_Tux: also look in /usr/var/* there are kde cache files in there [19:04] make that /usr/tmp [19:04] Action: Camarade_Tux doen't have kde, just firefox... :D [19:08] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-351793.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:08] if i was a genius code monkey i would fork firefox-2.x and keep it maintained and call it HoundDog [19:08] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [19:08] I'm making my browser but it's not ready yet ;) [19:08] /dev/root 9.6G 8.5G 1.1G 90% / [19:08] :p [19:12] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [19:12] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:12] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:12] P4C0 (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [19:13] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:14] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:17] if i was a genius code monkey i would hack Intel's and AMD's microcode and make the VMM adressable from user space [19:18] how different bsd is from linux ? [19:18] which one of them? [19:18] generally [19:18] they are less POSIXoid [19:19] but architechtually the same [19:19] pf is the BSD tool i miss the most on GNU/Linux [19:20] oh, BSD has real time extentions and asynchronious I/O [19:20] which linux is still sorely missing [19:21] we dont have async i/o? [19:21] despite glibc has been ready for it for a long time [19:21] so the glibc async io functions do nothing? [19:22] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [19:22] ze async io functions! zey do nothing? [19:22] nooper: nope... you gotta use select() in a seperate thread if you want to emulate that sort of behaviour [19:22] i had no idea [19:23] nooper: those calls are simply not available on GNU/Linux.. remember that GNU works with many other kernels [19:23] libaio ? [19:23] the BSD stream system is nothing short of awesome [19:24] Camarade_Tux: not really the same [19:25] [ in bed ] [19:25] macavity: hi! [19:25] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware. [19:26] hello spook :-) [19:26] hows things down under? [19:26] hot. [19:26] i wish i was there :-)' [19:26] its bitterly cold here [19:26] i want to go snowboarding. [19:27] we swap lives for a week? [19:27] swe swap wives for a week? [19:27] for running on a p2, does freebsd take more/less resources than slackware? [19:27] mind you that my GF is, uhm, twice your age :P [19:27] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] 12? [19:27] :P [19:27] Action: BP{k} runs [19:28] DigitalSith (n=derek@pool-72-64-241-78.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] BP{k}: ah, when two kinksters team up, the third is never far by ;-) [19:28] >:) [19:28] DigitalSith (n=derek@pool-72-64-241-78.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:29] nah my gf would want to go skiing [19:29] DigitalSith (n=derek@pool-72-64-241-78.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:29] haha [19:29] i told my wife that when she turns 40 i will swap her for two 20s, she said i was not wired for 220 [19:29] just show her the ropes and she will change her mind ;-) [19:29] hahaha [19:29] LOL [19:30] Pig_Pen: PWND ;-) [19:30] Pig_Pen: tell her you arent wired for 40's either [19:30] you'll have to get a converter [19:30] its called alcohol [19:31] with two 20s? [19:31] Action: acidchild leaves a burning bag of dog poop on nix_chix0r's doorstep [19:31] *ding dong* [19:31] pooooop [19:31] USP! [19:31] UPS* [19:31] my favorite [19:31] its either Viagra or Rawhypnol :P [19:31] or chloroform [19:31] that will do too [19:32] its just kind of hard to convice the judge that they took that themselves [19:32] rohypnol* [19:32] have you guys read about the firewire hacks yet? [19:32] brutal. [19:32] yes [19:32] BP{k}: thx... how do you know? :P [19:32] he googled it :P [19:32] nullboy: huh? [19:32] macavity: total pwnage via firewire DMA [19:32] nullboy: direct memory access and such? [19:32] yep [19:32] macavity: I sold him some years ago. [19:33] yeah [19:33] FriedBob: heh :-) [19:34] http://storm.net.nz/projects/16 [19:34] nullboy: so, anyone with malicious intent, a laptop and a firewire cable can r00t any box they get physical to? [19:34] macavity: yep [19:34] any system with firewire is vulnerable to a physical attack [19:35] any system is vulnerable to physical attack :P [19:35] hehe [19:35] indeed. [19:35] hey guys, since upgrading to 12.2 on my laptop, I have gotten a weird message at start up, only 3 times now, manual power down and reboot and everything loaded fine, so heres what I am getting, ACPI: processor limited to max C-state 1, any idea what thats all about? [19:35] they did proof of concept by using firewire to unlock a windows box [19:35] you don't need firewire to own a machine if you've got physical access, if you've got physical access you've already won [19:35] DigitalSith: your laptop is owned by the devil. [19:35] sorry to be the bringer of bad news :-( [19:35] I thought so [19:35] they tend to hide in your battery. [19:36] kunwon1: that's right, but there are still different physical access vectors [19:36] Could it be the battery? [19:36] keyboard, usb, firewire, RAM modules on and on [19:36] DigitalSith: its probly nothing to worry about =) [19:37] ah ok, it just that its happened 3 different time, I dont know [19:37] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.71.215) joined ##slackware. [19:38] habtool_ (n=habtool@86-45-129-206-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:38] Well while I am here Ive got another stumper. [19:38] SHOOT [19:39] ^Jenn (n=^jenn@unaffiliated/jenn/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [19:39] nullboy: SWEET! [19:39] now i just need a small-2-big firewire converter gizmy [19:39] *gixmo [19:39] *gizmø [19:39] Action: macavity headdesks [19:39] *epicfail* [19:40] Action: hackedhead slowly claps [19:40] I am trying to dual boot, but slackware sees my hdd ad hda, and several other distros see my hdd as sda, how would I dual boot, I tried lilo and grub [19:40] =] [19:40] <^Jenn> hmmm no ron? [19:40] habtool_ (n=habtool@86-41-72-217-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [19:40] http://www.vpi.us/vpi/images/items/1394-4pf6pm.jpg [19:40] bogo (n=sin@host81-129-16-194.range81-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [19:41] Hello guys, what is the difference between 'poweroff' and 'shutdown -h now' in terms of safety? Are they equivalent? [19:42] bogo: ls -alh `which poweroff` [19:42] nullboy: thx [19:43] -p When halting the system, do a poweroff. This is the default when halt is called as poweroff." [19:43] man halt says halt just calls shutdown [19:43] bogo: you can halt a system and still not actually poweroff the system [19:44] nullboy: indeed [19:44] DigitalSith (n=derek@pool-72-64-241-78.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:45] bogo: as far as security goes, a good example was that years ago you could halt a linux firewall box and the the system would halt without a power off but it would still route packaets [19:45] packets* [19:45] so that's just an example of possible states that a system could be left in if only halted without a poweroff [19:46] I see [19:46] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [19:46] here check it out http://www.samag.com/documents/s=1824/sam0201d/0201d.htm [19:46] ^Jenn (n=^jenn@unaffiliated/jenn/x-000000001) left ##slackware. [19:47] nullboy: yup, one of those... i just cant get any stores here to get me one [19:47] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.133.103) joined ##slackware. [19:47] you guys don't have Fry's over there do you ;) [19:48] I HATE Fry's [19:48] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:48] nope [19:48] we dont even have Radioshack [19:48] that's one cool thing about Fry's though, they still carry huge amounts of component parts and adapters [19:48] straterra, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/rvrctyshrk/Pokemon_Election.gif [19:48] Radioshack in my area stopped carrying component parts though [19:49] rofl [19:49] radioshack is the biggest supplier of junk electronics in the world [19:49] anyone had trouble commiting with svn? [19:49] they carried component parts in the past though [19:50] yeah, as some ham or CBers they may know of some mom & pop style component suppliers [19:50] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [19:50] as =ask [19:50] nix_chix0r, lol :) [19:51] Donars. [19:51] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-195-128.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:52] i know of a place in oklahoma city where you can still get tubes for tube type radios & amps, plus modern components [19:52] 5hours and counting, of no heartburn i am quite pleased [19:53] nix_chix0r: I'm not a dad yet \O/ [19:53] Is nix_chix0r a dad yet? [19:53] i wish [19:53] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:53] no i have to carry the fetus [19:53] nix_chix0r: is a lady [19:53] he's almost done compiling [19:54] Cue the Gentoo jokes [19:54] 3more days and i'll be 8weeks till D day [19:54] whens h hour? [19:54] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.97.138) joined ##slackware. [19:55] when ever this little turd decides to pop out [19:55] so um hmmm [19:55] i'm so excited i got the wireless working though [19:55] It'll give you CANCER [19:55] why would init 0/telinit 0 just sit there with rc.0 running for like 10 minutes (so far) without shutting down the machine? [19:55] :O [19:55] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [19:55] nix_chix0r, my knowledge of human physiology suggests that'll happen approximately nine months after consumation. [19:56] uva (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:56] Give or take a few weeks. [19:56] ccfreak2k, yeah, and i'm pretty close to that [19:56] off the shelf consumer wifi transmits less than 1 watt, you would have to duct tape the antenna to your head for years before you would have any adverse effect [19:57] I'll overclcok the AP [19:57] Give the whole block cancer [19:57] bogo (n=sin@host81-129-16-194.range81-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "leaving" [19:58] Pig_Pen, and FCC regulations prevent omnidirectional antennas from being higher than 1W too. [19:58] I think your average CB radio has more radiative power. [19:58] What id I want zomgrange? [19:58] if [19:59] ccfreak2k: define omnidirectional [19:59] get a better revcr? [19:59] Well nothing technically prevents higher wattages, except the guys in black probably. [19:59] spook, all directions, as in not directional. [20:00] some people confuse those stick antennas that dont transmit up or down as omnidirectional. [20:00] a good cb radio will have a 4 watt signal and AM modulation can go up to 10 or 15 watts [20:01] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "waaaaaaayyyyyyy too late" [20:01] theblackerbox (n=sammo@93-97-219-159.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [20:06] Speaking of which, I wonder if my father will run a repeater on his house, or if it's even necessary from where I live. [20:07] happyslacker (n=happysla@66-233-150-148.boi.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [20:07] the woktenna is the way to go [20:07] dhex_ (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [20:07] it works bloody freaking nice here [20:08] radio talk again lol [20:08] are you guys aware of any speed limitations when using a linux box as a router for an adsl modem [20:08] twolf_ (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "-1" [20:08] Line throughput is one limitation. [20:09] the reason i'm suspicious is it seems to max out at about 1megabyte/s [20:09] ddoouubbbbllee cchheecckk yyoouurr dduupplleexx sseettiinnggss! [20:09] i.e; roughly 8000kbit/s [20:10] macavity: how? [20:10] just a joke :P [20:10] 8,388Kbits. :) [20:10] how fast is the dsl line? [20:10] macavity, is that some kind of serial line joke? [20:10] ccfreak2k: i dont know.. i got it from a fortune once :P [20:11] according to the modem, 22000kbit/s [20:11] Heh it probably is then. [20:11] O_O [20:11] though i am a little dubious [20:11] the ethernet port to the modem is up at 100mb/s full duplex [20:11] it looks like the ISP is capping you at 10Mbit [20:12] obnauticus (n=lol@c-24-22-20-142.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:12] can you get anything faster if you download directly on the box hooked to the modem? [20:12] was just about to try that [20:13] where can i wget from... [20:13] lets try the isp's download area [20:13] Slackware mirror. [20:13] Or run iperf on a remote shell server if you have one. [20:13] anyways.. i need sleep now [20:14] cya sometime over the weekend guys :-) [20:14] slackmirrors tend to be either a) far away b) limiting speed perconnection [20:14] cya [20:14] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "...And dont do anything I would have done!" [20:14] ccfreak2k: iperf? [20:14] spook: Where are you located again? [20:14] australia [20:15] Heh... that could be interesting. [20:15] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [20:15] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:16] i talked to a few people from Australia on cb radio using ssb, one was in Alice Springs [20:16] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:16] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [20:16] ew @ CB [20:16] half way around the world on 25 watts [20:16] mac-: So I am watching The Nature of Things with David Suzuki and he is visting denmark at the moment. [20:17] thats in the middle of the country [20:17] err [20:17] macavity left already argh! [20:17] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [20:17] Pig_Pen: i spoke to new zeland from England on 80M on 5M [20:17] using a long string once [20:17] people didn't believe me until i got a QSL card ;> [20:17] HF rules! i love it [20:18] i like 5cm [20:18] :) [20:18] kunwon1_ (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) joined ##slackware. [20:18] spook: http://www.slaxer.com/chucks/freedroidrpg-0.11.1.tar.bz2 [20:18] 5 cm? what is that freq? [20:18] 1280? [20:19] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:19] urg, i'd have to work it out [20:19] Nick change: kunwon1_ -> kunwon12 [20:19] we where moon bouncing with dishs [20:19] That's in Texas, but it shouldn't have problems maxing out your connection. [20:19] Nick change: kunwon12 -> kunwon1 [20:20] 12% [==> ] 15,351,372 1.12M/s eta 2m 11s [20:20] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [20:20] Well... maybe. [20:20] is anyone here running kde 4.2 from testing? Just wondering if anyone else had trouble getting firefox to display [20:20] jkwood: thats over IPv6 =) [20:21] no firefox works fine under kde 4.x [20:21] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.165) left irc: "Leaving." [20:21] acidchild: \o/ [20:21] FF runs fine in 4.2 here. [20:21] i wish a few shipping containers full of those Australian UHF CB radios would end up being released to the wild in the USA, UHF is lots cleaner for local communications than CB [20:22] Pig_Pen: fm :P [20:22] tbielawa (n=tbielawa@157.182.194.176) joined ##slackware. [20:23] yeah, but UHF does not get DX/skip like HF does so that wont be a problem for local traffic [20:23] some good 5 watt mobiles [20:24] arktvrvs (i=stygian@adsl-66-142-222-90.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [20:24] 476 & 470 Mhz [20:24] 477* [20:25] i scan through those freqs here in the usa and there is nothing, nada, nobody using it [20:26] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:26] acidchild: where abouts from UK are you ? [20:26] thats real close the the frs band [20:27] 462 & 467 [20:27] dhex (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:27] i have a modified dual band vhf uhf ham radio that gets frs, legal frs is 1/2 a watt, mine does 35 watts :D [20:28] lmao [20:28] alinco? [20:29] Kenwood TM-731A [20:29] dhex (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [20:30] Icom & yaseu are my favorites, but for 50 bucks i was not going to pass on a deal like that, some old lady whos husband died was a ham and she was selling his stuff for cheap, i wont talk on it, i just use it as a receiver [20:30] AbzzzzzAbzzzzPff (n=root@213.141.151.212) joined ##slackware. [20:31] i might talk on it if it only to save someone's life or something like that [20:31] Abigobaldo (i=abigobal@189-015-106-041.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:32] Abigobaldo (i=abigobal@189-015-106-041.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left ##slackware. [20:33] happyslacker (n=happysla@66-233-150-148.boi.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:33] it has two antenna outputs, i need to get a duplexer and a dual band antenna before i use it to talk on [20:34] Yeah looks like it was built for arps [20:35] aprs [20:35] it is a decent radio for the price [20:39] lets see, it has rx/tx from 137 to 174 Mhz and 400 to 500 Mhz ctcss capable [20:39] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-60-29-115.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:39] I had a handheld that received 140-1000, I had modified it to tx all of VHF and UHF, and it wasn't gimped on rx on the cell bands [20:39] damn if I can remember the model, it was a yaesu [20:41] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-58-46.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [20:41] i have a little icom handheld that has rx from 44 to 1300, but tx only on 144 to 148 & 400 to 470, vhf wont modify in it but uhf did [20:41] dhex_ (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:42] i almost never use that handheld, i save it for tornado season for in case of disaster [20:43] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:44] dhex_ (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [20:46] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-58-46.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:47] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.68.44) joined ##slackware. [20:48] the Kenwood was easy but that little chip resistor was small, i unsoldered it no problem, then you got to move it to a empty set of solder pads, i had to hold it down with tweezers and solder it down, damn things are as small as a flea, other than that i just had to unsolder one leg of a regular resistor and reset the CPU after getting it put back together [20:49] yeah, smd is fun [20:49] i use a pencil eraser to hold down one end [20:50] hmm I need to install noscript to my firefox it protects you from a clickjack vuln :) [20:51] NoScript and AdBlock Plus are the only two i use [20:51] I use AdBlock Plus but never used NoScript [20:52] NoScript is good, it has a whitelist so you can allow only the websites you trust, plus lots of other features, look through the options [20:53] fasasfas (n=fasasfas@77.77.53.135) joined ##slackware. [20:53] Nick change: fasasfas -> mmj_ [20:53] dhex (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:54] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] I put sec. SATA HDD my Slackware did not find it, is there suport for SATA or I need tu run some modules [20:55] AbzzzzzAbzzzzPff (n=root@213.141.151.212) left irc: [20:56] look for it in the logs, you will probably have to add it to fstab and make some mountpoint directories [20:56] Garak_ (n=Garak@stjhnf0112w-142162170051.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:58] P4C0 (n=pcuser@190.141.76.51) joined ##slackware. [20:58] my laptop top is sata and it works fine [20:58] laptop* [20:58] it is intel based [20:59] hello nullboy [20:59] laptop top? what about the laptop bottom? [20:59] iyobe (n=iyobe@pool-173-73-121-111.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] ok I try dmesg | more cant find it there [21:00] Garak_ (n=Garak@stjhnf0112w-142162170051.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] limpio (n=macondo@201.218.71.215) left irc: "Leaving" [21:00] no sda or sdb? it has to be in there, look in /var/log/messages [21:02] mmj_: what type of harddrive is slackware installed on? pata or sata? [21:03] if your slackware install is on a sata drive (/dev/sda#) then the new sata drive should be /dev/sdb#, if you have a pata drive with slackware then the new sata drive will most likely be /dev/sda [21:04] if slack really doesn't see it, i'd check that the bios at least does. [21:04] < fred> heh, irssi lag just gave me "jkwoody" [21:05] i lol'd [21:07] bios see it, I m runing kern. 2.6.10 [21:08] you're using an old version of slackware [21:08] dhex_ (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Connection timed out [21:08] [ in bed ] [21:09] 2.6.10 is quite ancient [21:10] I will upgrade it. [21:10] what does this show you? grep rdi /etc/inittab [21:11] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.241.110) left irc: "É isso aí rapaziada!" [21:11] dhex_ (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [21:12] # Modified by: Patrick J. Volkerding, [21:12] ok good. [21:13] what does rdi do ? [21:13] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.68.44) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:13] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [21:13] it tells us all that he really is running slackware [21:15] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:16] mmj_ (n=fasasfas@77.77.53.135) left irc: [21:18] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-139-115.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [21:18] Or, a derivative, where they left that line in inittab. [21:19] but anyway, that's a slick trick, Mick. [21:20] what the fuck is going on here, http://spy.int.sevenl.net/cgi-bin/smokeping.cgi?target=Core [21:20] look at them wonderful graphs, NOT [21:20] mmj run cat /etc/slackware-version [21:20] he's long gone [21:21] hba (n=hba@189.188.154.178) joined ##slackware. [21:21] acidchild: all i see are a bunch of little squares [21:21] yeah... [21:21] wtf is with that? [21:21] missing character sets? [21:22] what set would that be then? rofl [21:22] That could be our secret handshake greeting, "Grep ardy eye slant etsy slant inittab". [21:22] rob0: lol [21:23] speaking of which ... [21:23] ... how DO you pronounce /etc ? [21:23] eee tea sea [21:23] extetera [21:23] I usually say "etsie" [21:23] et cetera ? [21:23] I just say slash extreater or how ever you spell it [21:23] Pig_Pen: yep [21:23] i say it just like it looks eee tea sea [21:24] i say GUI (Gee You Eye) [21:24] not Goowie [21:24] i hate that [21:27] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [21:28] What would cause a crap load of "unsupported character set" messages when trying to print? ANd more importantly, how would I fix it? [21:29] FriedBob: don't have the printer fonts installed maybe or the printer does not understand [21:29] maybe ghostscript or ghostscript-fonts ? [21:29] I have gs and font-config, but I guess I need *font* too then. [21:30] Those would be in the 'x' disk set? [21:30] probably /l [21:30] or /ap [21:30] I have a full install of everything except x and xap. [21:37] v4nelle (n=van@adsl24-101.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Connection timed out [21:38] v4nelle (n=van@adsl24-101.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:38] dretch (n=gobo@124-8-14-59.dynamic.tfn.net.tw) joined ##slackware. [21:39] FriedBob: its AIDS [21:39] take your printer for a checkup [21:40] ? [21:40] dretch: you found ? and enter, lession 2 [21:40] Organizm (n=lane@c-69-243-237-4.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] where is the number 1 key? [21:41] dretch (n=gobo@124-8-14-59.dynamic.tfn.net.tw) left ##slackware. [21:41] lol [21:43] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-197-168.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:43] acidchild: I can print from slack using the CUPS web admin, but I get those errors when I try from XP or Vista [21:45] On a related but seemingly random note, what is a good mirror to rsync slack from? [21:45] tbielawa (n=tbielawa@157.182.194.176) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:46] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "I am Joe's quit message." [21:46] FriedBob: tds.net [21:46] rsync.osuosl.org::slackware [21:47] slackware.mirrors.tds.net::slackware :) [21:47] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:47] hey whats a good panel to use? [21:48] I had typos in my syntax, that's why it didn't work [21:49] sleepy time for me [21:49] Is that module pointing to 12.2 or 12.1 ? [21:49] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [21:50] hmm nevermind found one that worked pypanel [21:51] slackware.mirrors.tds.net::slackware/slackware-$VERSION/ [21:51] dhex (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [21:52] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:53] bono (i=bono@118-160-173-83.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Success [21:58] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "-1" [21:58] guys if i accidentally did "dd if=/dev/zero" to the wrong drive, is there any way i can bring it back up ? it only lasted for 10-20s before i realized i was doing it on the wrong hard drive ? [21:59] v4nelle (n=van@adsl24-101.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:59] haha [21:59] :) [21:59] look inot foremost [21:59] into* [22:00] im still on the hard drive actually [22:00] iyobe: i somehow..doubt it [22:00] you nuked your superblock..your mbr [22:00] your partition table [22:00] it's been proven it's pretty hard to get a drive back when you do /dev/zero [22:00] unetbootin? [22:00] i screwed my self up then [22:01] I'd copy off what you could..then redo it [22:01] if the fs isn't bitching for read/writes atm [22:01] would this help? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNetbootin [22:01] straterra: at leats the partition table can be get back... theres a livecd that has a tool to make that.. and it works :) [22:01] foremost ++ [22:01] well the drive i did dd fill zero is the actual slackware install partions [22:01] saved me many things [22:01] can't remember which livecd is.. :$ [22:02] iyobe: well if you didn't lose any personal data, reinstall might be easier [22:03] hba: gparted? [22:03] i guess but i thought the partition table was still alive since i'm on it [22:03] no [22:03] agentc0re: nah... [22:03] the partition table isn't constantly read [22:03] okay then time to back up some stuffs [22:03] infact..if you do cfdisk /dev/xhx ... [22:03] It'll be like "Starting with blank partition table" [22:04] or something of the life [22:04] like^ [22:04] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:04] that's what fdisk shows [22:05] which means...your partition table is toast [22:05] part of your filesystem is toast too..copy off what you can [22:05] if there is any data that needs backed up [22:05] unetbootin, it'll let you boot [22:06] infernal_jesus (n=igor@unaffiliated/infernaljesus/x-763248) left irc: "Laziness is not a disease, it's a privilege." [22:06] k i will look into that while i back up some files [22:07] that wont help [22:07] its MORE than just a missing partition table [22:07] its file system damage [22:08] i don't now what i was thinking but hey shit happens [22:08] it does [22:08] it'll make you careful next time, eh? [22:08] http://www.sysresccd.org/System-tools [22:08] dhex__ (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [22:08] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [22:08] iyobe: i used dd to copy a blank disk to the disk i needed a copy of once [22:10] ok, is this livecd http://rescuecd.pld-linux.org/ [22:10] dhex_ (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:13] if i remeber, with 'testdisk' i recover my partition table. [22:13] its more than a partition table.. [22:14] hba: that's on gparted live cd as well.. thats why i thought of that when you mentioned it earlier. [22:14] testdisk has saved me several times at work. [22:14] he has a partially zeroed disk. [22:14] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [22:14] this isn't the same as using fdisk to strip the tables [22:15] nullboy: I've said it like 4 times now [22:15] o.O [22:15] i know [22:16] no one seems to listen [22:16] Nope [22:16] you need a tool that can take partition types and addresses as arguments so it can try to force find an fs [22:16] thats because no one listens on irc, they just read. [22:17] :P [22:17] hahah :) [22:17] nullboy: the tools can't just look for the beginning of the fs though [22:17] i know that's why you feed it addresses [22:17] As in this case..the beginning is gone [22:17] But where is it going to get the beginning of the fs from? [22:17] I mean..the boundary [22:17] tell them a start point, in this case 0 and look for possible partition table information if any is left [22:18] I know there are backups of the superblock in the fs..but..nothing about the actual fs size [22:18] If its the first partition though..that can be easy [22:18] Since you know the fixed size of the mbr and partition table [22:18] If that makes sense [22:20] dhex (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:22] man I need to get faster seeking hard drives [22:23] or move these disc copies to another drive [22:23] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@190.148.169.226) joined ##slackware. [22:25] i'm doing a test clean install of w2kas without service packs so i can play with metasploit [22:25] =) i think testdisk did the trick [22:26] dhex (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [22:26] all partition r back but i don't want to reboot [22:27] Akuma0n3 (n=dfsdf@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [22:28] you will need too sooner or later. [22:28] back everything up while you can. [22:31] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:32] What's the default command line mp3 player in Slackware 12.2? [22:32] dhex_ (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [22:32] amp || mpg321 [22:34] or mpg123 [22:34] thanks, mpg321 works. Amp complains about "This is a while in MPEG 2.5 format" o_o [22:35] tank-man: no. [22:35] Heya BP{k} [22:35] FriedBob: olas :) [22:35] also, 'play'. [22:35] How goes? [22:36] tank-man: mpg123 is in extra/, thus not get installed by default. /usr/bin/mpg123 is a symlink (which will be overwritten if you install the package from extra/) [22:36] FriedBob: not bad :) [22:36] iyobe (n=iyobe@pool-173-73-121-111.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:36] BP{k}: Good to hear. [22:38] dhex__ (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:42] penguindude22 (n=penguind@d199-74-231-70.col.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [22:42] hello everyone [22:43] tbielawa (n=tbielawa@c-71-61-189-24.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:43] Akuma (n=dfsdf@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:43] FriedBob: how's the shell doing? [22:44] we should talk about the slackware kernel, or using gcc, or maybe advanced scripting [22:44] I'm having problems with automounting USB/CD/DVD (hal) and Xfce on slack 12.2 (minimal custom install) is this a known issue, or am I just missing a package or two? [22:45] Dominian: Great so far. Thanks. [22:45] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2+2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [22:45] FriedBob: np [22:45] have you set the variables in fstab? [22:45] Wolven: is your user in the "plugdev" group? [22:45] yes [22:45] and did you just now add them to the plugdev group ? [22:46] make sure you logout of X/all shells then back in to activate the new group.. or I think you can source /etc/profile to acoomplish that.. [22:46] dhex (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:46] I created a new user logged out as root and in as the new user [22:46] I'll try again [22:47] Wolven: I had the same problem on a fresh install from 12.2. i had to upgrade to the latest hal and hal-info. [22:47] ok, thanks for the info [22:47] dhex (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [22:47] im not having any problems with it whatsoever [22:47] I honestly doubt that thhat is the solution. [22:48] right, I'm guessing it's my install, but I'll aslo try to upgrade hal [22:48] never had a problem with mounting drives [22:49] gbelknap (n=gbelknap@c-24-131-121-22.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] yeah, mount(8) always works ;) [22:49] well hal didn't even recognize my dvd drive until i upgraded those two packages. I'm not saying it's his fix but it's what fixed my issue. [22:49] i guess it's like they say "slackware-it just works" [22:50] mount worked for me too. [22:50] lshal however didn't show anything for my drive. [22:50] =) mount works just fine, but I want purdy icons on my desktop [22:51] Wolven: do a lshal >> hal.log [22:51] then search it for cdrom [22:51] you can throw anything at slackware, and most of the time it will work [22:51] ok, thanks agentc0re [22:51] can't say the same for all the buntus [22:51] troll! [22:51] I'll also do a full install in vmware just to see if I'm missing something [22:51] hahaha :) [22:52] you cant compile a program on ubuntu out of the box [22:53] im not saying i don't like ubuntu, im just giving the facts [22:53] dhex__ (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [22:53] Wolven: if you don't see something similar to this, http://pastebin.com/d6a6765f2 in lshal then it is hal. [22:54] slackware is a little more advanced than ubuntu [22:54] oye [22:54] Lets not start an OS holy war [22:55] i use ubuntu and love it, but i use slackware and it's complete [22:55] thanks agentc0re I'll store that link for later, doing a full install now just to check [22:55] Wolven: i only told it to save for one day... fyi. [22:56] ok [22:56] Organizm (n=lane@c-69-243-237-4.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:56] i have 7 computers at my disposal, but i always end up back at the slackware box [22:57] BP{k}: you probably know more about hal than I. the hal-info packages, can they be used with any version of hal or do you have to pair them up with which ever hal release they belong to? [22:57] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:59] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:00] agentc0re: actually I am pretty clueless where Hal is concerned. sorry. Although my gut feeling is saying to pair them, (but I might well be wrong there) [23:00] the only thing i know about hal is to add the user to the haldaemon upon post install [23:01] My guess is to pair them to get the most accurate info, but it may be "close enough" if there is a version or two off. Assuming that hal-info is info packages and not something else.. but even if it isn't info docs,that could be still true. But this is just an uneducated guess. [23:01] man hal [23:03] penguindude22: That would require me to care. ;) [23:03] lol [23:04] brb [23:05] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] dhex_ (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:06] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [23:07] i thought xfce had some type of disk mount utility in the menu? i don't use xfce on a regular basis [23:07] humm... anyone know what sbopkg uses to determine the editor it uses for editing buildscripts? it screws up my term here... (within screen) [23:07] humm, nvm. must just be screen.... =] [23:09] penguindude22, there is a disk mount plugin for it, but it also supports auto mounting via HAL [23:10] i see [23:10] thanks [23:11] http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-mount-plugin [23:11] never really had a problem setting drives up? well, when i just learned i guess i did [23:11] dhex (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:11] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [23:11] hey [23:12] is that not what it's all about though? trial and error? [23:12] thats all the fun.... [23:12] exactly [23:12] you get the rewarding feeling. that's why i like linux. rewarding [23:13] you can skim the man pages but until you just do it, nothing compares [23:14] brb [23:14] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:19] penguindude22 (n=penguind@d199-74-231-70.col.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:19] well that was easy [23:20] my w2kas no SP test system just got pwnd by metasploit [23:21] and you were expecting what from a no SP system? [23:21] Could someone please help me with a sound issue? I have no sound, kmix is empty (no sliders, etc.) and alsamixer returns alsamixer: "function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory" lsmod shows http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/9902 [23:22] firebird619, what card do you have as shown by lspci? [23:22] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/9903 [23:23] edman007: 02:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev ff) [23:23] what kernel? [23:23] that's just too cool [23:23] why are you not using hugesmp? [23:23] edman007: It is an Audigy Platinum EX and kernel is 2.6.27.7-smp [23:24] ahmed-tux (n=rhapsody@adsl196-134-66-217-196.adsl196-11.iam.net.ma) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:24] firebird619, well does dmesg say anything about it? [23:25] edman007: I am looking right now. This is a fresh install of 12.2. [23:25] firebird619: I asume it's generic-smp you're using? [23:25] firebird619, have a look here: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/TroubleShooting [23:25] edman007: as to your question, because generic-smp is recommended for daily use over hugesmp? [23:25] that used ms03_026_dcom [23:25] in case anyone gives a toot [23:26] BP{k}, because generally you have less problems with things loading if its a non-module [23:26] BP{k}: I am using whatever a fresh install defaults to. Sorry, I don't know much. [23:26] BP{k}, but the problem kinda just looks like sucky support to me, those SB cards don't have great support to begin with [23:27] edman007: I found a line in dmesg: EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:02:02.0 failed with error -5 [23:27] edman007: yeah possibly, I was just gonna half concede the point that running huge-smp might we welcome for debugging problems (ie, if it works under huge-smp but not generic-smp). Considering her's running the "default" slackware kernel, he's already running huge-smp. [23:27] <_chess_> hackedhead: sbopkg relies on $EDITOR and if it's not set, it defaults to vi. this is in sbopkg(8) man page. [23:27] _chess_: yeah, found it, thanks [23:28] <_chess_> np [23:28] firebird619, there you go, is that a new card? [23:28] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:28] edman007: Yes, I just got it a few days ago as a gift. [23:28] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [23:29] firebird619, my guess is its just not supported by the kernel, the ALSA guys probably have something that will work though [23:29] and Wolven linked to their site for you :) [23:30] rAWjAW (n=rAWjAW@unaffiliated/rawjaw) joined ##slackware. [23:31] edman007: Ok. Thanks. This card was working a few days ago, now just out of the blue this happens, I haven't done anything. Would it just up and quit like that? [23:31] firebird619, did you do a cold reboot? [23:31] tbielawa (n=tbielawa@c-71-61-189-24.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:32] rigth, for those who saw my question earlier: HAL automounts just fine on a fresh full install, so my custom install is missing something. Now to figure out which package(s) [23:32] some hardware can keep bad states across reboots, and you need to do a cold reboot... [23:32] firebird619, but it worked with this configuration? [23:33] i just tried one that adds a user account and it worked too [23:33] edman007: I have restarted the PC, but by using the Quit button in xfce and clicking restart. [23:34] edman007: Yes, has been working and then all of a sudden, this. [23:34] firebird619, you can try shutting down and turning it back on (instead of just hitting restart, since it does matter with some hardware) [23:34] edman007: Ok, I could give that a try and see what happens. [23:35] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] Has anyone here installed Slackware 12.2 on a Thinkpad T61 by any chance? [23:36] rAWjAW: no, an x61s though [23:36] edman007: I will try that a little later though, I have some stuff compiling/installing right now. If I do get the card working, is anyone good at setting up LIRC? I would like to eventually get the remote with the card working. I have search google for 2-3 days trying to figure it out, but I have had no luck. [23:37] gbelknap (n=gbelknap@c-24-131-121-22.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:37] firebird619, last time i tried LIRC i gave up [23:38] edman007: :) Yeah, and I am about ready to, but thought I would ask. First, I have to get the card actually working again though. [23:38] hackedhead: I've just been reading online about some of the things that I will need to do once it is installed and some people were having problems booting after they installed. Did you have any problems booting? [23:38] nope [23:38] though i didn't try to save any of the preinstalled muckery [23:38] edman007: Out of curiosity, what card do you have? [23:38] i have intelhd audio [23:39] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:41] edman007: Thanks for the help. [23:43] i thought setting up lirc on my pc was straight forward. came with clear documents [23:44] tank-man: What documents did you use? What type of remote did you have to set up? [23:45] dhex (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [23:45] the ones from the lirc homepage. and i have a remote that came with my tv tuner card (hauppage pvr250 [23:46] tank-man: I looked around lirc.org and at the different howto's and so forth, but I didn't really understand it all. I've never set up LIRC before. [23:46] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [23:46] tank-man: I found the config files on there for my remote, etc. and put them in the right place, but no luck getting it running. [23:47] Does Slackware have the alsa snddevices script, or do I have to install a package to get it? [23:47] i didnt use the pre made configs, i just made my own [23:47] went thru pressing each key on remote and such when setting up [23:48] tank-man: I used the pre-made ones. Did you make your own by using irrecord? [23:48] yes [23:49] tank-man: I couldn't even get irrecord to work and pick up key presses. Did your remote have a /dev/input/event* thing to use with irrecord. [23:49] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejk163.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [23:49] some of the lirc remotes will not work at all with irrrecord. My creative serial IR device is one of them [23:50] tank-man, it should be straight forward, but its the way remotes work, i found that there was significant errors in what it received, so you would push one button twice and it would interpret it as two different buttons [23:50] i can't remember the specifics, as i did this a few years ago and is still working [23:50] Wescotte: Mine is the Creative remote that comes with the Audigy Platinum EX. [23:50] Wescotte: So maybe mine doesn't work either. [23:51] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.133.103) left irc: "leaving" [23:51] interesting, what would make it see it as 2 different buttons? sunlight?heh [23:51] firebird619: is there a model # on it? also is it usb? [23:51] or plugs into the card itself? [23:51] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:52] Wescotte: No USB, The Receiver is in the Breakout Box, LiveDrive, or whatever the name is that comes with the card. The LiveDrive connects by an IDE type cable to the sound card. The Remote is RM-900. The LIRC site does have a config file for it. [23:53] firebird619: hald creats a /dev/input/event for it though? [23:53] tank-man, just the very high noise in the system that i used to sense it [23:53] rAWjAW: hi, i have installed slackware 12.2 in a t61 without any problem ;) [23:53] aetheria (n=aetheria@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] hello, ldconfig is not updating the cache for libs in /usr/local/lib even though that path is in ld.so.conf [23:54] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [23:55] Wescotte: Mine didn't create a /dev/input/event. [23:55] firebird619, i went thru the manual, not the howtos listed [23:55] dhex_ (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [23:56] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Client Quit [23:56] firebird619: ah.. well then I suggest browsing the lirc mailing list for a solution [23:56] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [23:56] Awesome! Thanks hba... Makes me feel a little better about my new XP -> Slackware venture :) [23:56] tank-man: I looked at the manual's too. I just don't understand it all, maybe someday I will. [23:56] Anyway, is there a package I need to install to get the snddevices alsa script? [23:57] Wescotte: I will have to do that sometime. First I have to get my card working again though. [23:57] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [23:57] TimothyPollard (n=TimothyP@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [23:58] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [23:59] rAWjAW: this can be helpful http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Slackware_12.1_on_a_Thinkpad_T61 [00:00] --- Fri Jan 23 2009