[00:00] ok, better question.... how would you persuade somebody to use slackware? [00:00] slak: I wouldn't [00:01] do it !! do it now !!! I said on your knees gurl!!! do it!!! [00:01] that good enough ? [00:01] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "leaving" [00:01] slak: if I'm giving Grandma a PC, I might give it to her with slackware preinstalled (boot straight into KDE desktop, large font theme) [00:02] why KDE?!? [00:02] except my Grandma already has had a windows PC for a few years, so she'd notice the differences and go "I don't know how to use this" [00:02] why not fluxbox! [00:02] professionaly You cant say youve tried it and used it until you actually did. give it a shot, see how you feel wait a month or so and see where you go [00:02] CmdLnKid: nah. if she's well trained enough .. just "on your knees, please" will be enough :P [00:02] Slackware is definately something you should just try [00:02] nooblet1 (n=Limited@pool-71-242-221-56.phlapa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:02] lol BP{k} [00:02] Hakudoshi: because (a) she's used to windows, and (b) she's not a geek and has no desire to become one [00:03] well it boots it took it 4hours to clean flag the hard drive but it works [00:03] well keep her on windos [00:03] windows* [00:03] rtl8178 wlan driver is either flakey as hell or im a nooblet [00:03] Hakudoshi: to be brutally honest, if she did want to become a geek, she probably wouldn't live long enough to learn to configure slackware + fluxbox :( [00:03] is fluxbox an xmanager? [00:03] How old is she? [00:04] WM [00:04] about to turn 90 [00:04] yeah keep her on Windows [00:04] lol my grammy had to try to learn enlightenment i felt so bad [00:04] she broke both her windows boxs [00:04] but healthy for her age, and fairly active. She might reach 100 [00:04] Wtf is she on a computer for [00:04] How did she break windows? [00:04] at 90 about all you can do is sit somewhere why not a good computer? [00:05] d/l porn or warez?! [00:05] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:05] grannypr0nz? [00:05] the first on... a virus on yahoo... the second was she turned it off after i told her to tell windows to do about 50 patch updates [00:05] lol what kind of resolution can she actually see [00:05] crap! i can't believe this! [00:05] but she turned it off mid shutdown to go to bridge [00:05] CmdLnKid: what, my grandma? she uses it for a good chunk of what you probably use it for: web surfing and email... and she writes poetry, and articles for the local newspaper... probably using word [00:05] apeitheo (n=blackorc@173-100-118-66.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [00:05] 320x? [00:05] got sound [00:05] so after the 1st one broke you bought her a 2nd PC? [00:06] Urchlay: in all seriousness, pretty cool she uses a compure and keeps herself active like that. Way to many old people just .. kinda fade away. [00:06] got dried milk ? [00:06] i had my freebsd box doing asterisks and other crap... and so i told her to plug in the monitor and keyboard... enlightenment is not designed for 90 yearolds that are use to windows [00:06] switchin' back to X [00:06] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.203.183.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "leaving" [00:06] and god damn i suck at slackware [00:07] BP{k}: heh, when she was 87, she got remarried (grandpa died 5 years before that)... and a year later, she divorced the bastard she married :) [00:07] should have given her KDE or even gnome [00:07] (turns out he was a mean old drunk, and too set in his ways to give it up) [00:07] i tried to get gnome and kde via the ports but everything is broken cuz the distro is to old [00:07] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.203.183.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:08] im not sure i wanna break my computer when its 2000 miles away [00:08] boy... this was very n00bish [00:08] nooblet1: what "ports"? [00:08] freebsd uses a /usr/ports [00:08] freebsd.org/ports [00:08] nooblet1: oh, I thought you were talking about slackware... if there were a way to use freeBSD ports on slackware, I'd want to hear about it [00:08] cd x11/kde3; make install clean [00:09] yeah... i know im sucking it up trying to learn a linux [00:09] heh, my favorite NetBSD command is "make clean-depends" [00:09] i wanted to build a linux arm kernel [00:09] and i cant get my wireless to be unflakey [00:09] Urchlay: http://slackports.sourceforge.net/ ? [00:09] so imma get back to work here on my windows partition [00:09] nooblet1: you actually *can* use netbsd's pkgsrc on slackware (and it works pretty well, from what I've seen of it) [00:10] i would rather not use ports [00:11] bah, kdenetwork on 12.2 has a severely outdated kopete. [00:11] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:11] wait for 13 [00:11] I think I'll roll my own kdenetwork on 12.2 [00:11] Is 13 going to have KDE4 as default? [00:11] apeitheo: ugh, that web page has 9 lines of text on it, and still manages to have enough grammatical errors that I wouldn't trust the authors not to be idiots... maybe they're smart non-English-speakers, but in that case they should be smart enough to get someone good at English to write the text on the site... [00:12] walmartshopper (n=walmarts@cpe-67-49-213-45.bak.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:12] apeitheo: yes, 13 will have kde4 (probably 4.2.4) [00:12] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] Urchlay: I don't know anything about it. I was just interested in having ports on Slack myself and googled it.. that's what came up haha [00:13] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [00:13] fire|bird: will KDE3 be in /pasture? [00:13] apeitheo: not sure about that. [00:14] not sure if slack will still have kde 3 [00:14] *sigh* I'm getting super frustrated with trying to get family to work together on projects [00:14] ...I'll teach myself Django to calm down [00:14] apeitheo: you probably should try out pkgsrc, it works just like fbsd's ports, and really does work on slackware. However, if you go googling for a howto, do NOT follow the set of directions you might find that tells you to replace most of your core package binaries with the ones from pkgsrc [00:15] have you ever notice that people non native english speakers usually just answer your with a couple of words. like : Hakudoshi> not sure if slack will still have kde 3 [00:15] Urchlay: okay, thank [00:15] thanks* [00:16] slak: eh, nothing wrong with that [00:16] i didnt say it was. just curious [00:17] slak: actually I thought Hakudoshi was a native english speaker... [00:17] i bet $50 [00:17] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [00:17] slak : Hakudoshi's sentence was an example of much better english than yours [00:18] ananke, why thatt? [00:18] hehe [00:18] ananke, cuz youre chenese? [00:18] nooblet3 (n=Limited@pool-71-242-221-56.phlapa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:18] chinese * [00:18] slak : wow. you're only further proving my point [00:18] honestly i liked it better before ports cuz i actually had more of where stuff was [00:18] my only complaint was about a project website for something that's going to require a *lot* of work (ports collection for slackware), yet the site author's not willing to do the small amount of work it'd take to get someone to proofread his 9-line placeholder page [00:19] now all i know how to type is vi ports; cvsup ports; cd /usr/ports [00:19] i rarely have to fix a broken depend or anything [00:19] Action: nooblet3 confirms what he just said has nothing to do with slackware [00:19] go read the slackware.com site, or netbsd.org, or even microsoft.com, and you'll find very few grammatical errors [00:19] awe man this brings back good memories, Hi ananke [00:20] hi [00:20] (eh, unless the non-english parts of the netbsd and/or MS sites are hideously bad... I can't read those, I admit) [00:20] lol you have no clue do ya ? [00:20] ananke, i knew you were chinese. hahaha [00:20] ... [00:20] i want to learn chinese so bad [00:20] slak : i'm not, but thanks for playing [00:20] its so damn hard [00:21] now this is odd. [00:21] actually I'm curious about something, if there are any fluent Chinese speakers in here [00:21] to expand my vocab to that point i already have a problem remembering big words such as 18-wheeler instead of truck [00:21] the latest stable release of kopete for 3.x is 0.12.2, and I have 0.12.7 installed [00:22] Action: thumbs ponders [00:22] Urchlay: well I just noticed that the one contact email is located at the domain terra.com.br, which brings up a spanish (I think?) site, so it's a good possibility that they're not native English speakers. [00:22] CmdLnKid: I have no clue either, and I suspect that I should. :/ [00:22] br is brazil portugese [00:22] Action: CmdLnKid c0ldbyte [00:22] apeitheo, omfg br is brazil [00:22] apeitheo: true. But in that case, the site should be in Spanish (or Portuguese, I think that's what they speak in Brazil) [00:22] i can hold convs online in german and spanish [00:22] rworkman: did you get kopete working with uvc? [00:23] CmdLnKid: doesn't ring a bell either :/ [00:23] i would rather read computer tech stuff in german but i do not have that option all the good doc is now in english unless you hit a specific german made program like winols [00:23] thumbs: I didn't know I was trying :) [00:23] slak: :P [00:23] aaah sorry man its been a long time [00:23] rworkman: sorry, I implied you did in the past [00:23] probably back around 01 [00:23] Urchlay, in the jungle they speak portuguese [00:24] apeitheo: I mean, I don't speak Portuguese (I'm probably not even *spelling* it right), but if I had to put up a site in that language, I'd make sure someone who does speak it well, did the final proofreading [00:24] CmdLnKid: ohh. Before my time. :) I was "born" in 2004. [00:24] lmfao [00:24] do you realize if it gets the message accross its getting the message across [00:24] slak: what are you yammering about? [00:24] rworkman: pixman-0.15.18 is built. I shall install and see what happens. :) [00:24] and if we picked a language like turkish we wouldnt have this problem at all [00:24] fire|bird: cool; thanks [00:24] thumbs: np; what's wrong with it? [00:24] nooblet3 : bad grammar leads to just the opposite [00:25] there is no spelling b's in turkey... if you can pronounce the word you can spell the word [00:25] rworkman: can't see the uvcvideo device, but uvcviewer can [00:25] morning [00:25] ananke: oposito of waht? [00:25] Urchlay, you spelled it right [00:25] rworkman: thinking of recompiling the kdenetwork package. [00:25] nooblet3 : opposite of the scenario of not having problems [00:25] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:26] gtl: amazing :) [00:26] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [00:26] slak, any problems with Portuguese language? [00:26] yeah i guess we are only sitting here yelling at how bad its spelled [00:26] thumbs: hrm, that doesn't make sense. :/ Is this "device" actually have a device node (or rather, should it)? [00:26] rworkman: yeah. [00:26] What's the subsystem? [00:26] Jul 21 23:43:34 thunderstorm kernel: input: Laptop Integrated Webcam as /class/input/input14 [00:27] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.82.77.18) joined ##slackware. [00:27] sure that shouldnt be irqstorm [00:27] we arent burning down the data center with torches cuz of the bad english [00:27] nooblet3 : first, spelling is not grammar, grammar is not spelling. second, nobody's sitting here yelling. third, there is inherently nothing wrong with proper grammar and spelling, since it results in better communication [00:27] ummm [00:27] Jul 21 23:43:34 thunderstorm kernel: uvcvideo: UVC non compliance - GET_DEF(PROBE) not supported. Enabling workaround. [00:27] rworkman, im not whingeing about anything. [00:27] ah, perhaps the v4l stuff? [00:27] My net is sucking donkey balls righ tnow, so lag is horrendous [00:27] gtl, actually a speak very well portugueses [00:27] portuguese* [00:27] rworkman: this is 2.6.29, so perhaps I could upgrade. [00:27] ananke: cool, good luck getting your point across then [00:28] rworkman, I dont think its only yours [00:28] I believe it to be freenode [00:28] possibly [00:28] nooblet3 : i do get my point across, thanks to the fact that i'm using correct grammar and spelling. [00:28] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:28] nooblet1 (n=Limited@pool-71-242-221-56.phlapa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:28] thumbs: well, I don't know - I don't want to send you on a wild chase. I don't have a webcam and have no experience iwth those at all :/ [00:28] slak, i'll not start any flame war, but please mind that there may be some Portuguese speaking people here from time to time, myself included [00:29] rworkman: I got it to work with 2.6.27 before... umm [00:29] nooblet3: well, I'm not checking out the svn tree for that slackware-ports site, because of bad english. I figure, if they can't even be bothered to create a small web page without a ton of errors, then they probably won't be all that great at creating a ports collection [00:29] lol still the same ole ananke " [00:29] rworkman: the non-compliance error above does not inspire me confidence. [00:29] Action: CmdLnKid remembers the days when him and sandman01 used to bicker like this [00:30] thumbs: I'd like to know what the "workaround" is. [00:30] rworkman: so would I [00:30] and it's one thing to not know proper spelling or grammar, and strive to get better - versus actually being proud of being sloppy [00:30] ananke: technically as a germanic.. i wanted to say teutonic but i really forgot how to spell it in english.... we have very lax and almost broken grammer compared to the english we used a couple hundred years ago... and i mean... of the ppl that wear able to write most peasants could prolly speak about the same as this message in correctnes [00:30] but please mind that there (may) WRONG, (will) CORRECT be some Portuguese speaking people here from time to time, myself included [00:30] gtl: he's got no grounds to insult you on the basis of language, you may be a Portuguese speaker, but your English is better than his (if I were slak's English teacher, his IRC window would be covered in red magic marker) [00:31] haha [00:31] Urchlay, =) [00:31] nooblet3 : i'm not sure what point you were trying to make [00:31] i say we should just be happy we can somewhat understand each other and half the world is semilituret* [00:31] thumbs: might be worth checking a newer kernel, but I seem to be recalling something about lots of webcams needing libv4l (htough I may have the name wrong or the whole idea wrong) [00:32] rworkman: it's loaded. [00:32] anyway, bleah, I was just commenting on what looks like a sloppy web page, didn't mean to start a language flame war. Can't we at least flame each other about computer languages, if we have to flame? [00:32] Urchlay, how much would you score me on a english test? [00:32] rworkman: and uvcviewer works - so perhaps kopete needs re-linking [00:32] based on today [00:32] lol Im heading out for a smoke. bbiab "this is great" [00:32] Action: CmdLnKid likes this [00:32] Urchlay: am i flaming someone? cuz im really this bad at english and i dont even usually know when im getting ppl angry [00:32] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware ("Here I go!"). [00:33] rworkman: it really does point to a bad compilation of kdenetwork [00:33] slak: eh, I dunno, if you really want I can scroll back & read everything you've said.. but bear in mind I'm using "dunno" in a sentence, so you might not really care what I think [00:33] kde is horrible [00:33] thumbs: well, give it a shot - maybe that's it. Is this on 12.2 or current? [00:33] nooblet3 : that's fine, but slak was pointing out something that according to him only non-native english speakers would say. the response was simple: what he claimed was something that a non-native english speaker wrote, was actually much better english than what slak was writing [00:33] nooblet3: I need an instant messenger with webcam support. [00:33] rworkman: 12.2 [00:34] thumbs : skype :) [00:34] ananke: oh. [00:34] ive been using gnome with compiz on freebsd and kde looked like it was from the 80s on the fresh install off the 12.2 disk [00:34] Urchlay, i do really care [00:34] thumbs : seriously. you get im, and webcam support. and it works. [00:34] ananke: fair enough. Let me try it. [00:34] ananke: i do not understand what you just tryed to say to me [00:35] I think he said "never mind, forgot it" :) [00:35] or "it's not worth the time that's been spent discussing it" [00:35] rworkman: thanks for the translation the word i really dont get is claimed [00:35] nooblet3: I don't think you're getting anyone angry. [00:35] ananke, why did you repeat non-native english speakers twice? just output a huge text? [00:35] I was being sarcastic. [00:36] phoenix|storm (n=phoenix|@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [00:36] phoenix|storm (n=phoenix|@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:36] 00:26 gtl, actually a speak very well portugueses <--- huh? [00:37] slak : i didn't have a better synonym [00:37] nooblet3: claimed, e.g. "He claimed that I was ugly" = "He said that I was ugly" [00:37] phoenix|storm (n=fire|bir@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [00:37] Nick change: phoenix|storm -> fire|bird [00:37] Urchlay, correcting actualaly I portuguese very well. [00:37] ananke: oh, look at that. The slackbuild built without problems. [00:37] you know what i mean didnt you? [00:37] thumbs : that would be because skype comes as a binary? :) [00:37] slak: i guess you speak portuguese very well, correct? [00:37] ananke: dammit. [00:37] that must be some strange new usage of the word "correcting" that I'm unaware of :) [00:38] excuse me, your Portuguese is showing :o [00:38] Action: PiterPunk have very good portuguese skills [00:38] the thing is I always miss-type a letter or two [00:38] slak: I can understand you just fine... and nobody on IRC types like they're writing a formal essay, so I ain't really worried about it [00:38] PiterPunk: I can haz portugeses plz? [00:38] rworkman: ok, installed and restarted. Everything seems alright so far, system tray icons work, etc. I'll keep using this pixman version and see if any issues occur. [00:39] Action: rworkman grins at PiterPunk :D [00:39] fire|bird: thanks! [00:39] yw [00:39] cmair (n=cmair@host124-104-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [00:39] Urchlay: #slackware-br is the place to speak portuguese -;) [00:39] I tried practicing my German in an IRC room once.. soon found out there was no way I could understand them :P [00:40] i have a hard time understand english or canadian over german [00:40] almost everyone on irc uses improper grammar/spelling at some point, so it makes it very difficult [00:40] apeitheo: I get that in Mexican restaurants. I know just enough Spanish, with a good enough accent, that they think I really speak it [00:40] american will always be my favorite [00:40] i sound like a gringo hah [00:41] ananke: working as expected (/dev/video0) [00:41] thumbs : cool. that's why i keep using it, the darn thing just works [00:41] rworkman: I will let you know if I get kopete working [00:41] ananke: thanks for the tip. [00:41] np [00:42] apeitheo: I've never taken a class in German or tried seriously to learn it, but every once in a while I find myself on a German web page and I'm able to read it... until I actually think about it, at which point it's like the Coyote noticing he's standing 10 feet past the end of the cliff... [00:42] thumbs: thanks, but I won't get my hopes up now that you have a working solution :) [00:42] I am a native english speaker [00:42] Hakudoshi : so much for slak's theory :) [00:42] (apologies if you don't know the Road Runner and Coyote cartoons, was the only analogy I could come up with) [00:42] rworkman: I'll find a fix. [00:42] not sure if slack will still have kde 3 <-- is that bad english? [00:43] slak: you would owe me $50, if I'd taken your bet [00:43] Hakudoshi : not at all [00:43] rworkman: however, it does concern me that my version is different than the stable release. [00:43] Urchlay: context helps.. especially for foreign news sites and whatnot.. a general knowledge of politics and whatever and you can read a lot more of a foreign language than you know [00:43] rworkman: what version of kopete do you have on your 12.2 box? [00:43] or anybody else on 12.2 for that matter? [00:43] whats going on? [00:43] Hakudoshi: an english teacher would make you put "I am" or "I'm" at the front of that, but it's fine by IRC standards [00:44] shonudo (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [00:44] yea yea lets be anal about i'm [00:44] Urchlay: the images on the page, and the names that you can pick out in sentences.. well whatever. I found it easier to read news sites that had more difficult words than books that were simpler but with no pictures [00:44] thumbs: I don't have a 12.2 box up at the moment; sorry :/ [00:44] damn you and your sw64 :( [00:44] hehe [00:44] apeitheo: the German stuff I'm semi-able to read, usually relates to old computers (like the Atari 800 or Commodore 64), so I've got the context at least [00:44] thumbs: yes I do: Kopete: 0.12.7 [00:45] grammar nazi to the rescue! http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Grammar_Nazi [00:45] I forgot about one. :) [00:45] aha. Same as mine. [00:45] Urchlay: yeah, exactly [00:45] Action: thumbs grumbles. [00:45] It's a headless box though, so that's as much as I can do for you :) [00:45] agh! tewmten, that is disgusting (the image of "grandma nasty") [00:45] hehe [00:45] I'm gonna hack away the .kde dir now. [00:46] Urchlay: german is very easy use a translator... same exact grammer as english except there are 16 ways to say "the" and i have been there ... the infinits that use have and crap to dictate future or past go on the end after the direct object or whatever would go on the backhalf of an english sentence [00:46] Hey tewmten, how are you? [00:46] hoi [00:46] im eating breakfast [00:46] have to go to work soon [00:46] Urchlay, i was bluffing [00:46] fire|bird: do you have access to 12.2, kde, and a webcam? [00:46] because i have an appointment at 8 o'clock in the morning [00:46] dont yo play poker? [00:46] all I know about German is that after the prepositional clauses and object, at the end of the sentence, the verb goes :) [00:47] yep [00:47] its real easy to learn as a english speaker [00:47] thumbs: I am using kde4 on 13rc1, no access to 12.2. When I used to use a webcam, I used a camcorder and a tv tuner card. :P sorry. [00:47] I to the store went... I Luke Skywalker lightsaber fighting taught. [00:47] its the problem i have with spanish tho... you can only double your vocab x number of times [00:47] i have with chinese* [00:48] slak: you forgot the ' [00:48] fire|bird: bah, everyone is done with 12.2 already. [00:48] since you want to be anal ;P [00:48] richard stallman has been lately mastering in lots of languages. [00:48] ladies and gents, good night all =) [00:48] thumbs: I did have 12.2 in a VM, but I think I removed it and atm, vbox will not start, at all. Failed to create the VirtualBox COM object. [00:48] Urchlay: probably that would be "To the store I went." [00:48] thumbs: time to upgrade to 13rc1? :) [00:48] rtl: tell me how to use my wlan card [00:48] night gtl [00:48] fire|bird: I will wait for 13.0. [00:49] Most of the "weird stuff" about other languages is perfectly acceptable in English too, but we just think it "sounds funny." [00:49] fire|bird: however, I don't like .0 releases. [00:49] rworkman: I'll take your word for it... I really don't speak German, that stuff is from Mark Twain, I think [00:49] anybody know of a fix to get vbox working again? I just tried reinstalling it to no avail. [00:49] (he wrote some kind of parody of the German language) [00:49] ah [00:49] Urchlay: i habe das store gegehen [00:50] nooblet3: translated literally? "I ??? the store (went? gone?)" [00:50] i taught luke lightsaber fighting [00:50] Hmm, looks like it's related to /tmp permission issues. :/ [00:50] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [00:50] fire|bird: hehe, blame the build of pixman :) [00:50] i have to the store went [00:50] is "habe" the same thing as "have"? [00:51] but with the 16 ways to say the the shorten crap [00:51] yeah [00:51] like rammstein [00:51] du [00:51] hast [00:51] ok, enough for tonight [00:51] du hast mich [00:51] rworkman: It was doing this before upgrading pixman. :) [00:51] you have me [00:51] buenas noches muchachos [00:51] rworkman: otherwise I would. :) [00:51] thumbs: vaya con tacos [00:51] *du hast mich gefragt = you have asked me [00:51] nooblet3: was hast du mich gefragt? [00:52] er [00:52] apeitheo: genau [00:52] fire|bird: ah. chown -R rworkman:rworkman /tmp/*rworkman* [00:52] Urchlay: no [00:52] "gefragt" means "asked"? My first guess would be "killed in a game of Quake" (fragged) [00:52] nooblet3: was habe ich dich gefragt? [00:52] nooblet3: damn, it's been so long :) [00:52] frage means quetion [00:52] fragen is To ask [00:52] fire|bird: there are perhaps some other files there to get, but you get the idea [00:52] rworkman: thanks :) [00:53] put ge infront to do past tense futer is just have to go [00:53] jsut like english [00:53] pump it up [00:53] gehen is to go [00:53] my other dual dual opteron 256 or whatever will be on on friday, freebsd or slackware? [00:53] i got my supermicro marvel sata chipset pci-e in there [00:53] gegehn or whatever ... german changes there is more dialects of german then american english [00:53] slack or engrish! [00:53] i mean freebsd [00:54] das heim means home in balvarian but in high german it means the loony bin [00:54] apeitheo (n=blackorc@173-100-118-66.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:54] anyone happen to know how well those creative labs xfi cards run in slackware (subsequently linux in general) [00:54] terrible last i heard [00:55] thats a shame [00:55] i actually like swissgerman the best so far [00:55] though last year they did get around to releasing drivers for the 2.4 kernel [00:55] ugh [00:55] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.203.183.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:55] i'm not interested in 2.4.x support, though i would like a sound card with hardware accel and a standard front panel pinout (the new xfi's have the proper case pinout that the audigy 2 zs's lacked) [00:56] Urchlay [00:56] zed_DX (n=kvirc@187.146.133.167) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [00:56] afaik gaming in linux without sound hardware accel is troublesome [00:56] Nick change: nooblet3 -> nooblet [00:56] jeev? [00:57] Fenix, Card delivered to developers. Completely new architecture. Creative have supplied a data sheet to developers. Development work has started.Preliminary support need testers.The patch is now merged into sound-unstable GIT tree topic/ctxfi [00:57] actually...its MUCH better than i though, but sounds like its still junk at this point [00:57] *thought [00:57] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:57] Fenix, http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Creative_Labs [00:58] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Client Quit [00:58] i dont need many fancy features, but 5.1 surround sound and basic mic function is what i'd like [00:58] ...and hardware accel ;) [00:58] Fenix, really? i have NEVER had a problem with audio in games [00:59] ...well except on that one board that i had with a nvidia sound card, the "offical" drivers produced a whole crapload of digital artifacts during games...the open source drivers were perfect [00:59] edman007, i dont look for reasons to buy extra pc parts (aside for hard drives), sound cards generally seem superfluous, though i had a ton of issues getting any audio at all in games in linux, and even more trouble with wine games until i had an emu10k1 card [00:59] my reference point on onboard audio is realtek poo [01:00] eh. Would someone explain to me what "sound hardware acceleration" actually does? [01:00] I googled, I really did, but all I get are directions on how to disable it or troubleshoot it [01:00] I'm just impressed that Creative delivered a card to devs. I don't recall them being very supportive of open drivers in the past. [01:01] rworkman, heh, their windows drivers arent much better [01:01] doods,suddenly i just thought of what'd be like if Bill Gates had been born in fucked country in africa hmm say whateve some really poor one... i wonder if he would be able set up microsoft. [01:01] my friend has a $100+ xfi fatality card and the drivers one driver process takes 90ish seconds to kill when he has windows shut down [01:01] slak: Obama became president so anything is possible :P [01:01] rworkman: well... in earlier times i remember creative an oss.creative.com or something like that with their open source contributions [01:02] he has to end the task manually if he wants to turn off his pc in a timely manner [01:02] Hmm, VBox is still not working, /me keeps searching. :) [01:02] fire|bird: define "not working" [01:03] PiterPunk: I didn't know that; interesting [01:03] Urchlay, a quick google says they perform the mixing in hardware, apply dsp filters and whatnot in hardware, and use 3d coordinates to determine proper audio characteristics [01:03] rworkman: Failed to create the VirtualBox COM object. and NS_ERROR_FACTORY_NOT_REGISTERED (0x80040154) [01:03] Urchlay, my understanding is that it lets the hardware do the thinking to offload processes from the cpu (same for 3d hardware acceleration with graphics cards), and it allows for more audio streams and extra features such as EAX, etc [01:03] edman007: your google-fu is stronger than mine apparently [01:03] Urchlay [01:04] jeev? [01:04] Urchlay, Today, a sound card providing actual hardware polyphony, regardless of the number of output channels, is typically referred to as a "hardware audio accelerator", although actual voice polyphony is not the sole (or even a necessary) prerequisite, with other aspects such as hardware acceleration of 3D sound, positional audio and real-time DSP effects being more important. [01:04] fire|bird: okay, I'm not any better now after the definition. Good luck. :D [01:04] Since digital sound playback has become available and provided better performance than synthesis, modern soundcards with hardware polyphony don't actually use DACs with as many channels as voices, but rather perform voice mixing and effects processing in hardware (eventually performing digital filtering and conversions to and from the frequency domain for applying certain effects) inside a dedicated DSP. [01:04] rworkman: lol, thanks. :) [01:04] from the wiki [01:05] Urchlay ? [01:05] jeev: you keep saying "Urchlay", like you're going to tell me something or ask a question [01:05] rworkman: opensource.creative.com, that's the name! [01:06] oh, it was my dog typing it [01:06] edman007: OK, I'm used to thinking of a sound card as a very simple DAC type of device, guess I'm behind the times as usual [01:06] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:07] Urchlay: Forewarning! I think it might have something to do with http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1592 [01:07] agentc0re: that's only one warning, what are the other threewarnings? [01:08] (actually never mind, that one by itself is disgusting enough [01:08] Urchlay: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/forewarning :P [01:08] Urchlay, the windows reasoning for a fancy sound card is audio recording, dolby output features, and or creative EAX for games [01:08] I'm using ftp://ftp.x.org/pub/individual/lib/pixman-0.15.18.tar.bz2 now [01:08] har har agentc0re [01:08] rworkman: ah ha, indeed it is a perms issue, Wrong owner (0) of '/tmp/.vbox-firebird-ipc'. [01:08] you think you're funny [01:09] Urchlay: I subbmitted one about him wanting some Chinese dood but for whatever reason it was rejected... You're not Chinese are you? [01:09] jeev: Wait, you can see what i type? [01:09] eh, no [01:09] jeev: I thought i was on your "fag list" ? [01:09] as you so kindly put it before. [01:09] as you always do. [01:09] agentc0re: problem found: The bottle of laphroaig is empty! :| [01:10] Urchlay is a traditional name from some tiny country with an unpronounceable name, possibly on Earth [01:10] BP{k}: Don't kill me when i say, i've never had any. [01:11] cmair (n=cmair@host124-104-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:11] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@72-56-27-30.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] agentc0re: hehe, nah. although it's worth a try in my opinion :) [01:12] that stuff looks expensive... [01:12] heh. [01:12] but worth it :) [01:12] agentc0re, you were.. ut this stupid mirc's faglist works differently, i was connected to kubrick.freenode so it stored my faglist under there, now i'm not.. [01:12] it's annoying, i know [01:12] \o/ VBox works now. [01:14] jeev: Well feel free to add me to this new list. [01:14] i'd prefer it. [01:15] done and done [01:15] you're always talking about me though [01:15] you have a jeev-fetish [01:16] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:16] No i just hate idiots. [01:16] BP{k}: I wonder if i can find there here in utah. [01:17] I'm sort of afraid to ask this question, but it seems like every time I find a back-up strategy I think is easy and valid I find another forum that confuses matters. For cloning a 2.5 P-ATA HDD containing only Slackware 12.2, is there any "standard" solution you lot would point me to? [01:18] DenNOLA: What are you wanting? [01:18] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:18] dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb <--- something like that, fill in the correct device letters [01:18] agentc0re: I would be suprised, with the laws there, but who knows. Word of warning .. it is one of the most strongest tasting whisky's out there. Very smokey and pewty . but if you like that kind of thing, it's pure liquid gold :) [01:18] agentcore: essentially a plug-n-ply HDD that I could pop in if this one sh1t the bed. [01:18] BP{k}: LOL that's not what their site advertises. :P [01:19] DenNOLA: So you just want a in place replacement if your current dies that would continue to run correct? [01:19] mirror [01:19] agentc0re: what do they know about ! ;) [01:19] BP{k}: Pfft, not like they really make it. I bet they outsource to mexico! [01:20] DenNOLA: and run with the most possible up to date files that you've added and changed? [01:20] agentc0re, yes. The idea is that I would buy a new HDD, make an identical copy of this one, then store it somewhere for safe keeping. [01:20] DenNOLA: see my dd command above [01:20] DenNOLA: Well like CmdLnKid said, mirror them. [01:20] Urchlay: you could DD [01:21] agentc0re: I really should try and get down there and visit the distillery .. technically I owe a piece of land there .. and they owe me rent ;) [01:21] Urchlay: Or i would setup a raid 10. drive are cheap. [01:21] err [01:21] Urchlay, I noted it. It is one of the solutions I've got stored in my Bookmarks folder labeled: Back-Up Solutions. [01:21] DenNOLA: ^^ that was directed towards you. [01:21] well, he was talking about something he's "store somewhere", I assumed he meant "store on a shelf, not powered up" [01:21] BP{k}: walk in and say, "Pay up bitches!" [01:21] time for some network recon WiFi style [01:22] BP{k}: I'm sure it'd totally go down okay. [01:22] Urchlay, yes, exactly. [01:22] agentc0re: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laphroaig#Friends_of_Laphroaig [01:22] BP{k}: just besure to tape it! :D [01:22] haha will do :) [01:22] BP{k}: are you serious? you can get a dram of it? [01:23] agentc0re: aye. [01:23] Ok, so DD. I've been lost in solutions ranging from rsync to Clonezilla, and I thought you guys would give me the straight dope. [01:23] I setup a friend with a nice little wifi repeater/AP and his roommate moved it onto the window ledge between the glass pane and the reflective blinds. It overheated my unit and fried it. [01:23] DenNOLA: well you could do the same with raid1 [01:23] you can pull out the drive and have your raid in degraded mode. plug it in when you want a mirror. [01:24] nooblet (n=Limited@pool-71-242-221-56.phlapa.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving." [01:24] dd is the dead-simplest thing you can possibly do. It's also the least featureful [01:24] antiwire: .... lots of revenge acts come to mind. [01:24] yeah no shit huh [01:24] DenNOLA: I would agree with Urchlay on that. It would be much easier. [01:24] antiwire: forget where the toilet is and shit in his backpack. [01:25] lol [01:25] antiwire: tell him you only realized after and ONLY after you tried to flush and there was no handle only a zipper. [01:25] i hate it when that happens [01:25] agentc0re: it's pretty sweet the plot of land I own (Plot No: 365836) they even specify it on a map and all lol [01:26] best payback I ever did to someone: remove the vents from the dashboard of his car, put raw anchovies as far back there as I could get them, replace vents... in the middle of July in Georgia... [01:26] Hm. I was attracted to dd from the start for it's purity and simplicity. Newb-type question then: it doesn't copy the existing partitions, right? I'd do that manualy? [01:26] that was mean [01:26] BP{k}: well if i ever come and visit your side of the world i will come see you and make sure that we go claim that shit. [01:27] agentc0re: let's make sure kethry drives ;) [01:27] DenNOLA: DD copys everything [01:27] DenNOLA: You could also use CPIO [01:27] DenNOLA: dd doesn't know about partitions or formats. it reads block devices bit for bit [01:27] Fenix (n=lkjdlkja@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:27] DenNOLA: you get a perfect copy/image with dd [01:28] BP{k}: HAHA, Good idea! [01:28] BP{k}: Pfft, we thought we could do it.. LMAO! [01:29] BP{k}: Just find out what proof you need to show for the dram. They might want your right arm and left testicle before giving it to you... unless you've already claimed one or two before. [01:29] DenNOLA: if you dd a whole-disk device (example: /dev/hda with no number at the end), that includes the boot sector and partition table, plus all the partitions [01:29] nope, haven't been there yet. :) [01:30] agentc0re, so please humor me so I am sure I understand. I begin with an identical, UNpartitioned HDD, run dd so that the source is the original drive and the destination is the new drive (using an enclosure, obviously), and when I am done I can plug the new HDD in and it will work exactly as if it were the old one? [01:30] BP{k}: Wow, a dram is nothing... it's small.. [01:30] DenNOLA: yes [01:30] DenNOLA: if you dd just one partition (example: /dev/hda1), then yes, you'd have to manually create the partition on the new drive [01:30] CmdLnKid_ (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [01:31] That is all I've frekken been asking people now for the past God knows how many weeks. Thanks guys. It's decided. DD. [01:31] DenNOLA: Warning: Do not try to dd your system disk to a new disk with the system disk is running and active [01:31] OH. [01:31] you need to make the copy off offline [01:32] DenNOLA: FYI, DD copys everything. so if your orig is a 40GB drive but your backup is a 20Gb.. it'll copy 20extra worth of empty space. CPIO doesn't do that. [01:32] The thing with dd though is if the new drive is larger then the old, dd won't expand it to fit the new one. [01:32] LSD`: you can just use parted/gparted to stretch it [01:32] no big deal [01:34] agentc0re: the plot is technically not that much ;) [01:35] giuppy (n=giuppy@host144-166-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [01:35] agentc0re: it's 1 square foot (0.093 square meter) [01:35] lol [01:36] put a flag pole up and fly a flag [01:36] hahaha [01:36] call it a nation [01:36] Hmmm. I remember wondering whether CPIO or DD was going better for me and why? CPIO does require that you partition? [01:38] DenNOLA: Here is what I would do: initally dd the system to the backup disk using a bootdisk. after that, just use rsync to keep the second disk rsynced up [01:38] the only thing to keep in mind is kernel/initrd/lilo changes [01:38] other than that it would be a ready to go backup [01:39] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.82.77.18) left irc: "Leaving" [01:40] antiwire, ok. That sounds good. I am not so advanced that I make kernel/initrd/lilo changes...yet. What I think I will do is buy an identical HDD, boot my Puppy_Linux USB, then run DD that was, with the old drive as the source and the new one as the destination. That would work, right? [01:40] yes [01:41] make sure you dd using the block device itself with no partition numbers [01:41] actually. "you need to make the copy off offline"... but "mounted read-only" counts as "offline" [01:42] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:43] Ok, two things were said there. 1) antiwire: ok, so when I read the man pages for dd that statement will become clearer, I assume. (?) and Urchlay : So does your comment basically mean that yes, my suggested method is valid? [01:44] (Sorry, I thirst for knowledge) [01:44] yht (n=yht@114.124.77.166) joined ##slackware. [01:45] DenNOLA: what I was talking about was, making sure to "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb" and not "dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb1" [01:45] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:45] leave the partition numbers out [01:45] DenNOLA: your suggested method being to boot puppy linux from a USB stick? that would work [01:45] antiwire, AHHHH. That is huge. Thanks. [01:46] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.84.17.177) joined ##slackware. [01:46] DenNOLA: after that initial full block device dd, you just mount the partitions of the backup disk and use rsync from the main system to the backup disk from then on out [01:46] Urchlay, ok, cool. (I reasoned so) [01:47] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) joined ##slackware. [01:47] DenNOLA: the idea here is to first (and once) use dd to create a clone of the main system disk. After that you can just mount the cloned disk's partitions to and use those mount points as the destinations for an rsync script [01:49] Alexplay_ (n=alexplay@201.209.126.34) joined ##slackware. [01:49] can anyone paste his /etc/hosts file please? i need to see the format [01:49] antiwire, I follwed from the start, it's just that the language confuses me due to lack of empirical knowledge. When you say, "mount the disk's partitions" I start to get lost, where as if you'd said, "mount the new HDD" I'd get it. [01:49] the only format consideration is making sure you have the loopback address in there [01:50] Alexplay_: man hosts [01:50] Alexplay_: man hosts [01:50] damn it [01:50] otherwise it's [01:50] there is an exmaple section in the hosts man page [01:51] right, thanks [01:52] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [01:53] complexmess (n=complexm@adsl-75-63-16-58.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:53] Anyway, don't wanna hog the limelight here. You've more than solved the disk-cloning problem. And the fact is that if I blow it I can try over and over until I get it, with both dd and rsync. So thanks for the Promethean wisdom hand-off. [01:53] and sure enough, i've returned [01:53] Alexplay_ (n=alexplay@201.209.126.34) left ##slackware. [01:53] Action: complexmess is tired of wifi problems. -__-; [01:53] DenNOLA: jsut make absolutely sure you do not transpose the source (if=) and dest (of=) during dd [01:54] if you do that you will copy a blank disk to your main disk [01:54] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:54] and have two blank disks [01:54] if=input file; of=output file [01:55] In otherwords, make sure the syntax is "if" (associated with the source) followed by "of" (associated with the destination), and not the reverse? [01:56] the order in the command shouldn't matter; I mean do mix up the source and dest disks in the command [01:56] make sure if=the main disk and of=blank disk [01:56] slKIvs (n=ivan@179.83.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [01:57] do mix/do not mix [01:57] Writing that down. I actually take physical notes when I'm in here. [01:58] basically, if you have two disks in the system just make damn well sure you know which is which [01:58] I got it. Totally. Kinda like, "Hey, you can have this cool Moqwai, just make sure you don't feed him after midnight." Over and out. [01:59] I've seen hit happen [01:59] it* [01:59] dd a blank disk over the disk you wanted a copy of [02:00] if you some how managed to catch it within the first 512 bytes of the copy you might be ok but you'd need to be superman to do that. [02:00] Nick change: yht -> Yudha_HT [02:01] DenNOLA: also, getting your hard disk wet, doesn't have the same effect as getting your pet Mogwai wet [02:02] i'm really tired of this problem [02:02] if someone can please halp me [02:02] http://pastebin.org/3523 [02:02] Met a girl at a bar tonight who chimed right in when the bartender Mark and I were discussing computers. She suddenly waxed knowledgeable on Linux distros and man, I sure wanted to get her HDD wet. [02:03] complexmess, and the problem? [02:03] does that rc.inet1.conf file look correct. If not, please please elaborate. [02:03] DenNOLA: hack her gibson [02:03] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-36-130-100-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:03] complexmess: eh, it looks like the stock version that hasn't yet been configured [02:03] well it used to be that if i d/c from the internet, I had to reload the wireless drivers to get it to connect again [02:03] now it won't connect at all [02:03] T_T [02:04] Urchlay, the wireless is the part that i'm trying to fix [02:04] oh, hang on, I just scrolled down a bit... why'd you leave 0 through 3 blank and configure your only interface as #4? [02:04] that's what it was by default =/ [02:04] She was so hot. Went on about creating 3d models of molecules on Ubuntu for a chemist she does research for. I was like, "You had me at generate...". Anyway, gonna bail. Thanks a lot guys. [02:04] complexmess, you usually don't want this, unless you use opendns (but thats probably a bad idea, some people block DNS and force you to their DNS..) DHCP_KEEPRESOLV[4]="yes" [02:04] DenNOLA: talk && touch && cd /home/girl && touch && unzip && finger && mount && fsck && umount && cd /home/guy [02:04] also bad -> # DHCP_KEEPNTP[4]="yes" # DHCP_KEEPGW[4]="yes" [02:05] Hakudoshi (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: "Leaving" [02:05] HAHAHA. See you peeples. [02:05] though you don't have them commented out... [02:05] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@72-56-27-30.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:05] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [02:05] complexmess: you're using WEP? [02:06] WLAN_KEY[4]="5102378215" ... *tell* me that's not your home phone number! [02:06] i am [02:06] it is [02:06] =P [02:06] lmao [02:06] hey [02:06] hahaha [02:06] it's easiest [02:06] for people not technically inclines [02:06] inclined* [02:06] also [02:06] sterilize your pastes beavis [02:06] where i am, i don't have to worry about people going around cracking wep keys [02:07] well, if I still got free long distance, I'm bored enough I'd dial it for the hell of it [02:07] Action: edman007 considers calling [02:07] but, eh, I don't got free LD any more :( [02:07] it's not really my house [02:07] =P [02:07] it's actually where i work [02:07] yea, its your cell [02:07] which is right next door [02:07] oh... [02:07] i was hoping it was your girlfriend's #. [02:07] I'd call [02:07] =P [02:07] you can not has that [02:07] he's lying [02:07] so, I could call your boss and say "one of your employees is leeching your wireless! oh noes!" [02:07] he's gonna call you at night when he's naked [02:07] it's a family business [02:07] the router is in my house [02:08] this is hilarious [02:08] the number is the phone number to the place next door [02:08] =) [02:08] Urchlay, no, you call and say he is drunk and naked and harassing police at the local golf course [02:08] xD [02:08] okie anyways [02:08] anyway. Eh, so the only way I've ever set up wireless is with wpa_supplicant [02:08] besides the 3 lines [02:09] or rather [02:09] what did commenting those three lines do? [02:09] which ends up with a much simpler rc.inet1.conf, and your actual settings go in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf [02:09] http://ca.serviceslisted.com/3553298-ChicosMarketNo2.htm [02:09] but I suppose that's useless to you, you're using WEP, not WPA (does wpa_supplicant not do WEP also?) [02:09] complexmess, those three lines all prevented DHCP from getting some information [02:09] ohhh [02:10] well i guess that'll do it [02:10] Urchlay: does it matter? Nobody should be using WEP anymore... [02:10] <3 wep [02:10] if you want DHCP then don't use those lines, unless you really know what your doing [02:10] WEP is the reason I'm on the internet right now. [02:10] i have a question [02:10] copper is the reason i'm on the intertubes [02:10] Action: edman007 hugs Cu [02:10] how to i configure the dns address [02:11] it's not there by default [02:11] complexmess: /etc/resolv.conf [02:11] Urchlay: wpa_supplicant does WEP/WPA{1,2}, and damn near any EAP [02:11] complexmess, yea, thats one of the lines that i told you to remove [02:11] add a nameserver x.x.x.x entry for each nameserver you use [02:11] it prevented DNS from DHCP [02:11] i see [02:11] like i said, if you are using opendns, its ok [02:11] so if i have all the information i need [02:11] and i want to give the computer a static ip [02:11] i would leave them uncommented? [02:11] Urchlay: I actually use /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf for all my wifi configurations, plaintext/unencrypted included [02:12] it's much easier [02:12] they should all be commented out [02:12] even for a static ip? [02:12] you just want USE_DHCP[4]="yes", all other DHCP options should be gone [02:12] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [02:12] if you are using a static IP then you have USE_DHCP[4]="no" and have all the DHCP options commented out [02:13] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [02:13] and then you fill in the other fields for the static ip info [02:13] okies [02:13] tyvm [02:13] i'm online again [02:13] <3 [02:14] thank you guys again and i'll be back when i have more issues. [02:14] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: Client Quit [02:14] heh [02:14] you ought to hang around, help other people with their issues [02:15] i suppose [02:15] but i'm a nub [02:15] (assuming you're able to. No idea what your experience level is...) [02:15] ummm [02:15] computer science major [02:15] undergrad [02:15] transferring to a UC in about a year (hopefully) [02:15] ah, so you might not know specifics, but if you're good at the CS stuff, you'll at least have the concepts [02:16] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:16] yarp [02:16] StevenR (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:16] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [02:16] i still need to replace ubuntu with slackware on my personal computer [02:17] the only way to really get deep into it is to just throw myself in there right? [02:17] correct [02:17] like learning a musical instrument, or learning to swim [02:17] i've been using slackware since 4.0. but i dont know what it means to 'get deep into it' [02:18] (i'm originally from windows 98) [02:18] v4nelle (n=van@78-104-203.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:18] so when i say deep into slackware, i mean deep into linux in general =P [02:19] slackware will do that.. [02:19] v4nelle (n=van@78-104-203.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Client Quit [02:19] v4nelle (n=van@78-104-203.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:19] complexmess: any Linux distribution is composed of 2 parts: the "general Linux" part, and the part that's specific to that distro... Slackware's got the highest ratio of general-Linux to specific [02:20] meaning, most of what you learn, will apply to other Linuxes [02:21] okie dokes, then learning to use Slackware will prepare me for any linux boxes? [02:21] that's pretty much what Urchlay just said [02:22] LFS would prepare you better, but might also damage your mind. [02:22] Slackware is probably better [02:22] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:22] dd-wrt updated! [02:23] antiwire, let me know when the b43 project finally supports the LP-PHY on the BCM4310 chips. [02:23] That'll be exciting then. [02:23] I'm not holding my breath [02:24] I gave up on OpenWrt's support for 2.6 kernels and the older brcm stuff [02:24] that's why I use dd-wrt on that unit now [02:25] mrjohns (n=mrjohns@201.254.164.192) joined ##slackware. [02:25] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:25] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:25] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [02:27] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89BD2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:27] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:27] StevenR_ (n=foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:28] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:28] morning [02:30] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host138-70-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:31] . [02:31] blarg. I gotta try to sleep [02:32] how come I only ever feel tired when the sun's up, regardless of when I last slept? [02:34] coz you are half vampire [02:34] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:34] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:34] wonder which half of me? Apparently not the half that includes the teeth (mine aren't all that pointy) [02:35] I don't actually burst into flame in sunlight, but I do burst into sneezing fits [02:36] well, maybe just a quarter vampire then. or there was some vampire in your family long ago and by the wonder of genetics you ended up with some traits [02:36] y0 slackytude, how's it going? [02:36] y0 fire|bird [02:36] hows it going [02:37] heard about the opera server? [02:37] Urchlay: maybe just your circadian rhythm is vampire-ish. [02:37] slackytude: doing great, thanks. What about the opera server? Seems like they have some fixing on unite. [02:37] new snapshot out too. [02:37] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-43-29.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Connection timed out [02:40] fire|bird, yeah, well, apparently opera ordered a lot of servers since they needed more to handle unite and stuff and the dealer' webinterface on ther server was blocking opera browsers ^-^ [02:40] :) [02:40] morning tux [02:40] Nick change: CmdLnKid_ -> CmdLnKid [02:41] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-6-71.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:41] and I lost my mouse again, had to reboot, this is shit [02:41] fire|bird, opera was kinda pissed by that [02:41] (next time I'll see if I can actually find out the problem) [02:41] hi slackytude [02:41] Camarade_Tux, in win7 ? [02:42] bah, I lost my touchpad! [02:42] slackytude: no! in slackware64-current, it's because of xorg-server-1.6.* [02:42] slackytude: lol, I can see their frustration with that. :P [02:42] y0 Camarade_Tux [02:42] MrJackson (n=MrJackso@173-86-40-75.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:44] yoyo fire|bird [02:44] and sloppy focus is a nightmare without my touchpad [02:44] ='( [02:48] Camarade_Tux: are you sure it's xorg-server? Cause I loose my Touchpad too sometimes and it's because psmouse not finding it [02:50] pprkut: I never had time to investigate it thoroughly because it always happen when I don't have time to debug it (partly because when I have the time I also don't reboot the computer) but it happened with the X update [02:52] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [02:52] CmdLnKid_ (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [02:54] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:54] Nick change: CmdLnKid_ -> CmdLnKid [02:55] that dd-wrt issue is going to cause mayhem [02:55] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:55] I know at least 3 local businesses that run dd-wrt on their wifi hotspots [02:56] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-135-246.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:56] what is the issue? [02:56] what is it [02:56] http://milw0rm.com/exploits/9209 [02:57] ah [02:57] oh, and what about the openssh exploit ? :d [02:57] Camarade_Tux: that openssh thing is ullshit [02:57] bullshit. [02:57] no proof has been posted [02:57] where are all the other owned servers too? [02:58] we see 1 report of some lame pwn log and that's it? I call BS [02:58] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [02:59] cool [02:59] Action: jeev has the openssh exploit [02:59] antiwire is next [02:59] own me [02:59] i'd love that [02:59] rm -rf ~antiwire/.gaypr0n [02:59] prove me wrong right now [03:00] done, do ls -la ~antiwire/.gaypr0n [03:00] i guarantee it's gone. [03:00] well, here it's still there [03:00] oops :o [03:00] lol [03:01] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.240) joined ##slackware. [03:01] jeev: thanks :-) I just copied your shadow file to a vm here - your root pass should work: home.rlworkman.net [03:01] antiwire: I guess it is used to configure the router, would it be possible to just disabled the httpd and use something like telnet for the configuration? [03:02] Camarade_Tux: yes, as long as you understand the nvram configuration methods [03:02] which aren't difficult [03:02] not telnet thought, sshd [03:02] better ;) [03:02] I use sshd key auth only on my routers [03:02] but I guess most people don't know aout nvram [03:03] har har rworkman [03:03] jeev: ;-) [03:03] man my ssh stuff == insecure [03:03] i hve little passwords [03:03] i'm so lazy but when you have a buttload of servers, you get insecure [03:03] That's a good way to find yourself without them. [03:04] yea i dunno what to do [03:04] jeev: what's your netblock? [03:04] 24.0.0.0/8 [03:04] lol [03:04] ha [03:04] :D [03:04] muauhahua, na, it's 208/8, 64/8, 204/8 [03:04] good luck [03:04] Mine is 127.13.15.0/24 [03:04] ;) [03:05] sh0ne (n=Unknown@nat.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [03:05] I'm unhackable. [03:05] btw guys, anyone running dd-wrt on their border...these are safe images http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/down.php?path=downloads%2Fothers%2Feko%2FBrainSlayer-V24-preSP2%2F07-21-09-r12533/ [03:05] rworkman, i hacked you a long time ago [03:05] rworkman: thats cool man, i got 127.13.37.0/24 [03:05] rworkman: we are almost neighbours! [03:05] Nice :D [03:05] rworkman's homepage is www.nickjr.com [03:06] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] helo [03:08] there are a bunch of local businesses in my area that don't have on site IT and are running dd-wrt on publicly exposed APs [03:08] this is so bad [03:08] who cares [03:08] copied Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old and dmesg, what else should I copy if I want to check why my touchpad isn't working right now? [03:09] antiwire: need money. [03:09] s/\./?/ [03:09] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [03:09] Camarade_Tux: How the hell can someone approach a company knowing that they already have an serious exploitable situation and not get arrested? [03:10] an/a [03:10] by hiring lawyers? [03:10] antiwire: right [03:10] antiwire, just hack them and take them down, then offer your services ;) [03:10] antiwire: then you can put a little message in their mailbox [03:10] i'd never do that, infact.. im still pondering if i should take down this guys system through the remote software he had me put on his computer for not paying my invoices. [03:11] yeah and the message would be "hey I know your system is exploitable. please shove the large stick that this message is attached to up my ass and send me to jail. thank you." [03:12] :-) [03:12] antiwire: I was thinking of just a friendly notice, not telling them they could pay you ;) [03:13] or maybe you could do the right thing, by telling them the problem and how to fix it, anonymously [03:13] (which is basically what I was trying to say but TwinReverb said it better) [03:13] and to top this one off, 7 of the local APs aren't running dd-wrt but they are running debian and all 7 are running sshd versions that are susceptible to the PRNG bug. [03:13] ^^ [03:13] slKIvs (n=ivan@179.83.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:13] it's like AP mayhem around here [03:14] antiwire: then I think it's not even worth trying :p [03:14] antiwire, tell them to hire me.. i'll give you $1 referral fee!!! [03:14] hahahah im just saying that to bug you [03:14] take advantage, contact them [03:14] beatzz (n=sheep@97-115-178-251.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: Success [03:14] like those fag ass lawyers who send you shit when you buy a new car, or a house or anything [03:15] take advantage, notify them and offer your services [03:15] antiwire: or they are all honeypots put there to try to catch you, the fbi is tracking you, run! [03:15] if anyone who has basic skill and less of a conscience than I do ever figures these out, there will be literally on the order to 20+ commercial APs owned in my area [03:15] that sucks. [03:16] antiwire, start your business. make money on AP support. [03:16] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:17] I'd need 10 inch thick lawyer armor though [03:18] I can't afford that bullshit [03:18] laj_ (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:18] I love it how Visual Studio just deceides to hang for some seconds [03:18] uh [03:18] antiwire, what [03:18] to notify people that they are vulnerable ? [03:18] jeev: you can't just walk in and tell some company they are vulnerable [03:18] you'll get sued [03:19] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [03:19] man, this place sure would burn if there ever is a fire [03:19] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430989.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:19] guys i have latest gcc and arch:-x86_64 as i read here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/building-wine-on-slackware64-728668/ but i saw the error message again..... [03:19] ever considered a donation to your local fire department [03:19] Morning all [03:19] jeev: the first thing they will assume is that you've already done it, call the police and get you, at the very least, an interrogation. [03:20] that's bullshit [03:20] send them an email [03:20] say it [03:20] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [03:21] v4nelle: for wine(32), you need a 32bit compiler and for wine64 you need a 64bit compile [03:21] r [03:21] jeev: you're in so cal right? [03:21] jeev: you know how these people are [03:21] antiwire, do you know all "these people"? [03:22] TwinReverb: I know none of them at all. [03:22] antiwire, i doubt it [03:22] there you go then [03:22] you're making a big deal [03:22] v4nelle: -m32 only works if you have a multilib gcc, like in slamd64 [03:22] i mean it might be a smart-sounding assumption, but it's an assumption nonetheless [03:22] stop being sean hannity, not all middle easterners are terrorists. [03:22] wtf [03:22] this is possible in slackware64 too but some files aren't provided by default [03:22] how did middle easterners get into this? [03:22] it's an example [03:22] example!!! [03:22] ok [03:23] give me their email, i will email them [03:23] if they dont sue me, i'll give them your email [03:23] two of the public AP situations aren't just little boys with small businesses though [03:23] Camarade_Tux, can i install slamd64 files on slack64? [03:23] they are huge US corps. [03:24] then they will fix it themselves [03:24] the small businesses in the area will be more approachable than those [03:24] if not, good riddens or whatever [03:24] jeev: they haven't, I monitored versions for a year now [03:24] this bug is a year old ? [03:24] jeev: monitored versions in non-illegal ways [03:24] jeev: one is [03:24] what one [03:24] the PRNG [03:25] v4nelle: afaik these aren't slamd64's files, they are made for slackware64, so yes to some extent (you need them to match your gcc version for instance), and check http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=3554239#post3554239 [03:25] debian PRNG bug [03:25] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [03:25] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:25] eh [03:25] antiwire, them they deserve to be hacked [03:25] approach the approachable ones. [03:25] sometimes the solution isn't in libs for one OS in order to run another [03:25] sometimes a better solution is just to either install it natively or do something else with your time [03:25] beatzz (n=sheep@97-115-178-133.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [03:25] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:25] for example, i have two slackware's installed: slackware-13.0-rc1 and slackware64-13.0-rc1 [03:26] it may suck at times but anything 32 bit that i use is rare [03:26] if not for the lack of a 64 bit version of Skype, i'd be only running slackware64 [03:27] i has a question for you guys [03:27] what is your ideal media player that you use? [03:27] the suspense is killing me. please don't let it end! [03:28] Camarade_Tux, i add ./configure --enable-win64 and it works :) [03:28] ideal? i prefer audacious because it works (or worked) and it's simple. i just need a simple playlist, as my music is sorted on my hard drive by ~/Music/Genre/Artist/Album/Song.flac [03:28] however, i am using amaroK for the moment [03:28] jeev: give me server work [03:28] ty TwinReverb [03:29] sometimes the most elegant solution is also the simplest one, sometimes not [03:30] StevenR_ (n=foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:30] speaking of which, is anyone having issues with slackware64's audacious? for the life of me it refuses to work [03:30] in fact i had to configure several applications to use sound output through asound [03:30] but amarok, flash, mplayer, xine, and all of kde work fine as is [03:30] antiwire, i do everything myself though [03:31] complexmess, audacious for music everywhere, vlc (alien's build) for video on xfce, dragonplayer for video on kde4. used to use kaffeine for video on kde3. [03:33] i hope Pat updates audacious for 13.0. there's 2.1.0 out there for some time. [03:33] tyvm slava_dp [03:35] v4nelle: --enable-win64, you know you'll only run 64bit binaries with that? [03:35] oh...no :( [03:36] plus it doesn't work very well for now [03:36] beepbeep [03:36] slava_dp: does audacious not suck in that version? [03:36] yo nix_chix0r :) [03:36] sup Camarade_Tux :) [03:36] morning nix_chix0r [03:36] hihi [03:37] nachou (n=gobo@122-124-132-33.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [03:37] Camarade_Tux, I killed the gremlins responsible for the DB mayhem [03:37] Camarade_Tux, a buddy of mine gave 2.1.0 a spin on archlinux, said it rocks. it does finally support .cue-sheets fully. [03:37] slackytude: nice, are you cooking them now? [03:38] lol grilled DB gremlins =) [03:38] slackytude: does it still take 4x the cpu and memory it should? [03:38] Camarade_Tux, nah, I shrink their skulls and wear them on my belt [03:38] 20% cpu to play some flac file when mplayer takes 3%... [03:38] slackytude: good idea! I think you can also make bags for women with their skin ;) [03:38] i don't like mplayer. [03:38] Camarade_Tux, nah, that wasnt the issue. issue was an entry for a certain customer would end up on a different customer as well, overwriting an existing entry [03:39] same names? [03:39] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [03:39] no, not related at all [03:39] Camarade_Tux, that's audacious using 20% of CPU to play FLAC? [03:39] slava_dp: it doesn't make my computer overheat, it doesn't crash as often as audacious, it doesn't use more memory than firefox (!) [03:40] TwinReverb: actually no, audacious uses too much cpu for *everything*, including mp3 files [03:40] firefox is crazy [03:40] Camarade_Tux, not in my experience (that i've noticed) [03:40] (and wv, ape, ogg, ...) [03:40] it was a ugly stupid issue but it works now. during fixing it I saw at least three other bugs but nobody complained about them so I'll leave them be, unless they get gremlin affected as well [03:40] firefox has more holes than ie [03:41] granted audacious doesn't work on slackware64-13.0-rc1 for me at all and i can't figure it out [03:41] TwinReverb: how much cpu and mem does it use for you? [03:41] audacious does not crash for me. i don't care how much memory it uses. i just need a simple player -- xmms-like. can't use xmms since it does not support id3-tag recoding to a different charset. audacious is the only player that does it now. [03:41] nachou++ [03:41] nachou, not likely, since we know all of them for firefox and IE may have many that are unknown simply by virtue of the fact that one is open source, the other is not [03:41] slava_dp, audacious is nice but can it do mp4 now? [03:41] it should take less than 3% to play a flac file [03:41] Camarade_Tux, on mine, slackware 12.2, it used like 2-3% or so [03:41] granted mplayer is not graphical so that may be part of it [03:42] slava_dp: it uses some much resources it is disgusting, the look is simple, and the engine it awful [03:42] and cpu % depends on the processor and the file [03:42] TwinReverb: sometimes yes, but most often the usage skyrockets [03:42] was it a 386-16 that you used audacious on? :) [03:42] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [03:42] i hate flac, because p2p scams always put a mp3 into a flac file [03:42] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:42] it worked fine for me [03:42] TwinReverb: mplayer being not graphical should only make it uses less memory, not cpu [03:43] nachou, so you hate it based on what others do with it and not with the file format itself? wow. [03:43] slava_dp: how come usage is very low with mplayer? ;) the problem is really audacious [03:43] Camarade_Tux, graphics take processor and video to render [03:43] all things are relative... [03:43] not all things are relative [03:43] 2+2=4 is not relative [03:43] it is [03:43] oh and the audacious crashes I was refering to were when audacious encounters an unhandled filetype [03:43] you are just jealous [03:43] the second law of thermodynamics is not relative [03:43] TwinReverb: 15% of my cpu? :D [03:44] how am i jealous? i use amaroK [03:44] Hmmm I use audacious hours every day, it never crashes (but I play mp3 files mainly) [03:44] the flac is just a zip file [03:44] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [03:44] i've used amaroK and audacious both for hours on end with no crashes or side effects [03:44] Using VLC for all video, sometimes also for audio streams [03:44] and i use almost nothing but FLAC [03:44] flights to england are el cheapo [03:44] alienBOB, does audacious work on slackware64-13.0-rc1 for you? [03:45] Later guys. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening} Take care. [03:45] the funniest thing with .wv files (wavpack) is under windows: rename the .wv into .exe and run it, it will self-extract and give you the original .wav file ;p [03:45] nini fire|bird [03:45] laterz fire|bird :) [03:45] that's almost frightening [03:45] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.54.49) joined ##slackware. [03:45] night nix_chix0r [03:45] later Camarade_Tux [03:46] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware ("Here I go!"). [03:46] so anyways, as for playing, right now i use amaroK because i can't for the life of me figure out why xmms and audacious refuse to work on slackware[64]-13.0-rc1 [03:46] both 64bit and 32bit versions of both audacious and xmms won't work and yet everything else works fine (go figure) [03:46] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-135-246.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:47] TwinReverb: define "won't work": does anything appear, any error message to stdout? [03:47] come on, everybody can play a flac file [03:47] i've straced it, tried kernels with all the "old" alsa depreciated interface options both enabled and disabled, i am using the generic-smp (only with ext4 <*> so i don't need initrds) [03:47] no error messages, just doesn't play when i click play, and i've tried multiple alsa output options [03:48] i totally can't use amarok. it makes me feel very constrained. and it does not recode id3 tags. i'm not into recoding all my koi8-u and cp1251 to unicode. [03:49] TwinReverb: tried on mp3 files? [03:49] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:49] StevenR (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:50] Camarade_Tux, yep, both flac and mp3 [03:50] files that amaroK can play [03:50] it just starts the elapsed time display ("00:00") and then does nothing [03:50] no matter what settings i use [03:50] TwinReverb: bah, you know, audacious handle so few filetypes I'm not even surprised (that's one of the reasons I switched, if not the main) [03:51] TwinReverb: actually I think I had that too [03:51] don't start, it worked fine on 12.2 [03:51] but maybe on slamd64 [03:51] grazymax (n=grazymax@host169-154-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:52] but anyway, I found no such graphical interface could justify that many bugs, not supporting more than a few file formats, using so much cpu and so much memory and that's the reason I switched. [03:52] gotta go, I hate commuting [03:52] bbl [03:53] if it don't work for you but works for us, i call it FUD [03:53] you can disagree but you can't call it fud [03:54] and you're proving it doesn't exactly work for you either ;) [03:54] Camarade_Tux, use xfmedia. uses no memory at all :-) [03:54] you can deny ghosts exist until you meet one [03:54] slava_dp: :) [03:55] mplayer is very nice, I make playlist for it using zsh ;p [03:55] the ghost fud is silly but people still believe in it [03:55] mplayer ftw [03:55] and iirc audacious didn't play .wv files and that was really annoying for me [03:56] slackytude: :) [03:56] ghosts and software are not the same at all [03:56] @!#$%%^7 [03:56] real ghosts [03:56] you say the ghost fud is silly until you meet one ;-) [03:56] ghosts are more realistic than a software without bugs ;) [03:56] and then a skeleton jumps out of the closet [03:56] i used audacious since whenever it came with Slackware and it's only recently that it don't work but I can't point a finger at why (i.e. audacious or other factors) until i know for sure [03:56] well no software is without bugs, but it depends on how severe the bugs [03:57] i know one [03:57] tex has no bugs [03:57] TwinReverb: one bug I had was crashes on some flac files but that was a problem in ffmpeg, seems they use code for it and maybe don't sync very often [03:57] if you find one, i can give you $1 [03:58] (or the flac lib but I can't remember when it made it to sla*) [03:58] nachou: found one: the user ;) [03:58] imperfect beings (human beings) cannot design anything that is perfect [03:58] but with bugs it depends on their size and severity [03:58] yeah, that's why *my* software has no bug 8-) [03:58] :D [03:58] the closer you get to perfect, the farther away you seem to be [03:59] how do i "decorate" a window after i've "undecorated" it? [03:59] zest fully clean, you're not fully clean until you're zest fully clean [03:59] really gotta go now \smiley (from wasysym) [03:59] complexmess: Alt+Space should give you a menu [03:59] complexmess, how do you undecorate a window?? [03:59] muchas gracias [03:59] Camarade_Tux, [04:00] slava_dp, i right clicked on the window, then clicked undecorate [04:00] Alt+Space -> D (in openbox), or right-click on the window border/decoration/title bar [04:00] :) [04:00] what kind of window manager? xfwm4 does not seem to support that [04:02] TwinReverb: audacious works for me on slackware-current (64bit and 32bit) [04:02] oh well.... i just looked into a way to launch an undecorated xmessage. [04:02] Can you define "does not work"? [04:03] alienBOB, click play and it goes to "00:00" elapsed time display but no progression [04:03] For a local file? Or a network based file? [04:04] local file [04:04] IT sounds like either it can not load the file, or it misses the decoding support. What happens when you run audacious from a terminal and watch what it outputs? [04:04] i have the strace if you would like it [04:05] hmm curiously mpg321 and mpg123 have the same problem, here: [04:05] ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave [04:05] No default libao driver available. [04:05] that's with no options "just mpg123 somefile.mp3" [04:05] i don't remember specifying dmix anywhere [04:06] /usr/bin/mpg123 -> mpg321* [04:06] no ~/.asoundrc [04:06] same player [04:08] *yawn* [04:09] bleh.. now the wintendo admin is on vacation [04:09] so i have to admin windows servers also [04:09] "oh hai, i installed Linux on all the Windows servers while you were gone, you were planning on upgrading right?" [04:11] well that would be a downgrade considering it is our AD, MS SQL, IIS and Tridion servers [04:12] what the hell is Tridion [04:12] its a CMS [04:12] mrjohns (n=mrjohns@201.254.164.192) left irc: "Saliendo" [04:13] tewmten: still considered an upgrade :) [04:13] jeev: http://www.sdltridion.com/ [04:13] alisonken1noc: to what? linux? [04:13] lol.. [04:13] no way [04:13] anything from windows is an upgrade [04:13] yes way [04:13] that would mean more work for me [04:14] work is a manly thing to do [04:14] how? once you installed and setup, it pretty much runs itself [04:15] well if you guys know of a solid way to use AD 2008, MS SQL and IIS on Linux, let me know [04:15] out of several thousand servers, the only things I really see are pebkac and hardware issues [04:15] is it just me, or does wan1.sghs.org.uk not respond to ping, but wan2 does? [04:15] I believe AD is covered under samba, and upgrading from MSSQL to mysql/postgresql/even Oracle would be preferred [04:16] Action: TwinReverb hates M$ SQL [04:16] AD is not covered [04:16] I heard samba 3 covered AD [04:16] the air force could be running TAS on free software (tool accountability system) if not for it using only M$ SQL [04:16] TwinReverb: i already have about 140 linux hosts to manage, I don't need another 10 to manage [04:16] oh yeah DBS also, some stupid time registration system [04:17] tewmten: only 140? [04:17] yes [04:17] TwinReverb: sounds like you have a software configuration problem, or are missing packages [04:17] alienBOB, should i try running alsaconf or should it "just work" in your opinion? [04:17] tewmten: you could have mine - it's only around 2K servers :) [04:17] alisonken1noc: 2000 servers? managed all by you? [04:18] when I'm on watch, yes [04:18] oh [04:18] no this are all my servers [04:18] High_Priest (n=MMF@nat/ibm/x-6eaefb723e455bbf) joined ##slackware. [04:18] plus, were getting ready to roll out another 200 [04:18] hi [04:19] anyway, mysql/postgre/oracle is not gonna work since tridion only supports MS SQL [04:19] and also i dont know if samba 3 covers all the functionality of AD 2008 [04:19] like group policies, exchange intergration [04:19] etc etc [04:19] hmm after alsaconf, it still does not work and yet i can tell that i have libao installed [04:19] tewmten, it does not [04:19] i sent an email to my parents from"the baby" stating that his missed grandma and grandpa and they should pay half the cost of the ticket over to england. i can pay the full amount but i shouldn't have to since they want me over there for two weeks [04:19] maybe a reboot, brb [04:19] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [04:19] tewmten, samba 4 is supposed to do that [04:20] Skaperen (n=phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:20] slackytude: samba 4 isn't in my package repos so.. [04:20] tewmten, its still alpha. or maybe beta by now [04:20] so there you go :) [04:20] so much for "linux just works" [04:22] v4nelle (n=van@78-104-203.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:23] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Freetard [04:23] ;) [04:23] im going for a smoke [04:24] Im readint the linux haters blog, I know the term ;) [04:24] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [04:25] When I first started getting a grasp on using Linux I was a freetard. I think that eventually some freetards actually end up working in the real world and seeing that there are quite often situations where Linux just won't be the best solution. [04:25] that's what i do. it's called Free Software Advocacy. so please, no freetards here. :) [04:25] tewmten: so much for "Windows just works" :) <--- they did at first, but decided they didn't want to play anymore [04:25] <- freetard [04:26] i never said "windows just works" [04:26] alienBOB, nope, this time after alsaconf and a reboot (just for goot measure) mpg123 and mpg321 work but audacious still will not, not with default alsa, not with hw:0,0, not with plug:dmix [04:26] i hate windows and linux equaly [04:26] in fact, i hate all computers [04:27] same here [04:27] i wish i knew something else good enough to earn a living [04:27] but i dont [04:27] so im stuck [04:27] shit happens [04:27] tewmten, military :P [04:27] but hey, at least there's alcohol and pot [04:27] tewmten: I'm going to go work in the oil fields [04:27] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [04:27] TwinReverb: i tried but they didnt accept me [04:27] don't type too quickly, watch out for slackboy :) [04:27] nah, slackboy got nothing on me [04:28] At this point, I'll club baby seals for a living. I'm jaded over IT work [04:28] TwinReverb: aparently i am "too agressive" for the swedish military.. go figure [04:28] :P [04:28] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.54.49) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:28] haha [04:28] that's because it's the SWEDISH military [04:28] hey, we're neutral! [04:28] but if you're not a US citizen the odds of going into USAF are slim to none [04:29] you're neutral yet you have a military? [04:29] yes [04:29] also the US military buys alot of weapons from us [04:29] TwinReverb: takes a lot of force to remain neutral - just ask the Swiss [04:29] like all the anti-tank rockets.. [04:29] like army knives? 8-) [04:29] Made in Sweden [04:29] boo-yah! [04:30] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.65.70) joined ##slackware. [04:31] well, I still like IT work. and I still like linux more than windows. [04:31] but Ive still got most of my hair as well [04:34] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:34] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [04:35] freetards are encouraging at times but sometimes they're annoying [04:35] nothing wrong with liking free software and such but have concrete reasons why you use it other than "it's free" [04:35] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [04:36] i like linux because i'm not on the hamster wheel of antivirus and firewall all the time, and it costs less than windows (LOL yeah i know what I said), and because it seems easier to troubleshoot and maintain overall [04:36] best OS for the purpose i say, and as a windows AD DC linux is simply not the best solution, yet [04:36] tewmten, no argument [04:36] tell that to alisonken1noc ;) [04:36] and i like some of the things you can do natively with Linux as opposed to paying more for Windows (an OS that already costs too much) [04:36] Action: slackytude shrugs [04:37] I still have to repair the damage the gremlins did to our DB [04:37] mandriva / suse / novell / redhat cost less than Windows as configured, and have better documentation [04:37] tewmten: slackytude just pointed out that linux is not for everyone or every situation [04:37] and i agree [04:37] group hug! [04:37] gay! [04:37] with windows you have to look around on the internet to find the solution because it's probably not in the help documentation, at least 99% of the time for advanced stuff that i wanted to do [04:37] unfortunately, I still have to clean up the mess that exchange and windows does to my network(s) [04:38] much less you can't truly get rid of @#$ IE [04:38] if you "need" (because it's not a vital need) to play games, Linux may not be for you [04:38] ok now i am really foing for a smoke [04:38] I heard exchange became pretty decent in its last iteration. altho MS messed stupp up as well, taking away good tools [04:39] s/stupp/stuff [04:39] exchange still uses rpc and allows executables to get into the system [04:39] nothing wrong with rpc, per se [04:39] until MS can get rid of rpc for internal calls, it's going to continue to be a mess [04:39] but I dont want no argument about exchange. I try to avoid exchange [04:39] n350k (n=malandri@200.92.64.7) joined ##slackware. [04:39] :) [04:40] much less having to tell M$ Access over and over "enable content" on a product I use every day at work for the military amplifies that point: there's no way to tell it "yes, for the @#$th time I use this file every day, it's within the military LAN, it's written by a user with PKI, trust the @#$ing file" [04:40] Buggaboo (n=Buggab00@a83-163-47-192.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:41] much less when/if it breaks they're going to be SOL until they find someone who's an Access "guru" to fix it, but they'll have to put whoever it is (maintenance career field or whatever) on a desk job permanently to fix it [04:41] hi guys [04:41] TwinReverb: "Job Security" :) [04:41] which command-line tool do I use to figure out which process is whose? [04:41] At taxpayer's expense [04:41] alisonken1noc, only for Microsoft [04:41] I can't reproduce that dd-wrt issue [04:41] I purposely flashed a router with the vulnerable version too [04:42] well it's funny that this is something that accesses IMDS/CAMS, something that started out on Unisys but then went GUI (i.e. IE with Java, and it's VERY picky on the Java version you are running) on our end, but stayed Unisys on their end iirc [04:42] it's like 15 layers from you to the database [04:43] well, anytime a single-source vendor is approved, you get what you pay for - and continue to pay for [04:43] and continue to pay for [04:43] because you can't afford to migrate [04:43] and continue to pay for [04:43] ....... [04:43] antiwire, want me to try [04:44] migrating 30 years worth of historical database records (granted they're mostly archived) is a lot to pay for [04:44] It's simply not working [04:44] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [04:44] Buggaboo, ps should do that [04:44] Buggaboo, ps aux [04:44] first! [04:44] okay [04:44] t [04:44] the funny part is the military enforces you to train your replacement, but senior management has no concept of technology advances properly [04:45] my lappy isn't here, i could turn on my other one i guess [04:45] i think i run my dd-wrt in bridge [04:45] sentence too long, "managment has no concept" [04:45] but the problems are common to being human, not specific to the military [04:45] they're pushing commanders to be more "out and about" now so it's actually not so bad [04:46] and they tend to worship the Access gurus so I am tempted to become one lol [04:46] hell no [04:46] I loath access [04:46] i do too [04:46] and it would mean i would need to continue to buy windows + office, so double hell no [04:46] I"m too old to start learning acces [04:46] I mean its probably not bad, but everytime I see it someone made something big and scary out of it [04:47] I was too old to learn access when it was at version 0.5 [04:47] :) [04:47] they left out a word in the name of the program [04:47] Access ... DENIED [04:47] same reason I dislike excel. Ive seen too many excel spreadsheet with 64000 rows and formulas that cover the whole screen [04:47] TwinReverb: and that's the problem. [04:47] i don't hate excel, i just use open office calc [04:47] i dislike what people do TO spreadsheets, which is theme them up [04:48] try to make them into a program when they're a spreadsheet [04:48] You can thank MS for that [04:48] sometimes people should just write a program at some point [04:48] yeah [04:48] me mate who studies with me got a job where lufthansa wanted exactly that [04:48] granted i don't like Word [04:49] 99% of the word processing in the military could be done in HTML 4.01 strict or some other format [04:49] don't need a proprietary format [04:49] convert an excel spreadsheet that grew for years with custom vbscripts and everything into a standalone programm [04:49] think they hired a 5 man team for that [04:50] and the HTML would be more open, look better (regardless of where viewed, screw IE), and be smaller on disk [04:50] after I heard that I was always a bit nervous when flying with lufthansa [04:50] lol [04:52] and you can actually add cross-platform scripting to an HTML document using standard java and other things [04:52] and you can use themes in an open manner [04:53] Nick change: obnauticus -> flycrack [04:53] all in all, Word is nothing more than a WYSIWYG to a proprietary format, you could use Seamonkey Composer to do most of that or even more if you use a different WYSIWYG program [04:53] Nick change: flycrack -> obnauticus [04:56] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [04:57] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [04:58] jeev: i got it [04:58] it does work [04:58] oh man. [05:00] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.84.17.177) left irc: "Leaving" [05:00] it doesn't work as per the report on all systems though, since images don't have nc enabled in busybox...but that doesn't stop someone from "fixing" it to create a reverse ssh shell [05:00] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [05:01] grawr [05:01] mas problemas [05:02] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:02] i'm trying to use a static IP [05:02] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [05:02] how do i configure dns again? [05:02] with a lot of patience [05:02] edit resolv.conf [05:03] tyvm [05:03] ok [05:03] so my name servers are fine, i can access my router [05:03] but i cant ping google [05:03] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [05:04] try "ping 74.125.45.100" and see if you get anything [05:04] unreachable [05:05] i can ping other computers on the network [05:05] the other computers have access to the internet [05:05] not a dns problem then - routing issue [05:05] through the same router [05:06] mind nudging me in the right direction a little more then please? [05:06] try "route -n" and look for the default entry, see if it's pointing to your router [05:07] i don't think it is [05:07] not at all [05:07] how do i modify the routing table? [05:07] Buggaboo (n=Buggab00@a83-163-47-192.adsl.xs4all.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:07] ok - then you need to add a default route - are you using dhclient or dhcpc, or manually setting your network up? [05:08] i suppose manually [05:08] i'm not sure what dhclient and dhcpc are [05:08] then edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf and make sure it has the correct entry for GATEWAY= [05:09] example for my setup: "GATEWAY="10.3.68.1"" [05:10] after it's setup, rerun /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 [05:10] nachou (n=gobo@122-124-132-33.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:10] antiwire, what dd-wrt issue are you looking at? [05:11] alisonken1noc, you are f'n epic [05:11] =P [05:11] ty so much [05:11] np [05:11] a750mhzslinky: a gaping security hope in v24Sp1 [05:11] root access via a simple url [05:12] that's no bueno [05:16] thats bad [05:17] n350k (n=malandri@200.92.64.7) left irc: "Saliendo" [05:18] complexmess (n=complexm@adsl-75-63-16-58.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:25] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [05:29] complexmess (n=complexm@adsl-75-63-16-58.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [05:32] antiwire, is that the one on the top of milw0rm? [05:33] yeah [05:33] I fixed it up [05:33] not really difficult though. you just need to work with what you go on the router [05:33] not all images have nc [05:36] Yudha_HT (n=yht@114.124.77.166) left irc: "I must go.." [05:37] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.65.70) left irc: "Leaving" [05:40] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.64) joined ##slackware. [05:41] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.23.164) joined ##slackware. [05:44] guys, i'm trying to use ssh like this, ssh paissad.homelinux.com, but it does not work ... i already ran netconfig and inadyn [05:44] my router is configured to forward to port 22 to 192.168.1.10:22 which is the machine where i want to connect to [05:45] where am i wrong ? [05:45] Skaperen (n=phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:46] are you remote? [05:46] paissad__, do you have sshd listening on port 22 on 192.168.1.10 ? [05:46] yes [05:46] does your dns resolve the name to that ip? [05:46] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.82.203) joined ##slackware. [05:47] i looked at /etc/services [05:47] paissad__: are you trying to connect to that system from another place using the internet? [05:48] i'am at local, so when i do ssh paissad-server or ssh 192.168.1.10, both work ! [05:48] ... [05:48] but when i do ssh paissad.homelinux.com, that fails [05:48] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:48] you don't have resolution for paissad.homelinux.com [05:48] this is expected behavior [05:48] vadim (i=0@188.128.90.11) joined ##slackware. [05:48] 9/win 33 [05:48] paissad__: what does "host paissad.homelinux.com" show? [05:49] if it doesn't show the external IP of your router, it won't work [05:49] alisonken1noc, paissad.homelinux.com has address 86.66.160.85 [05:50] it does [05:50] it still might not work though [05:50] and it really is good that this is happening this way. this prevents local traffic from being sent out the wan [05:50] the router is at least semi smart [05:50] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [05:51] ssh paissad.homelinux.com asks me for login [05:51] what are your suggestions to solve this [05:51] seems to work [05:51] paissad__: this isn't a problem...it is expected as slackytude just demonstrated..it is working fine... [05:51] it is supposed to do this. [05:51] Action: slackytude nods [05:52] slackytude, antiwire maybe it's because i'm at local , weird or absurd [05:52] I've had troubles connecting to myself, I blame the router [05:52] it's not absurd or weird: you access local resources using local addresses and remote resources using remote addresses [05:52] it's not a problem GD it! [05:52] paissad__: if you want your external ssh access to your internal machine, you make the sacrifice of editing your /etc/hosts file to tell your local machine the internal IP of what you want to connect to [05:52] Action: Camarade_Tux just made 2GB worth of png images from a film... [05:52] Camarade_Tux, what for [05:53] he's in the porn biz? [05:53] eddief (n=eddie@pool-141-157-210-164.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:53] thanks mates ! [05:53] porn or pr0n ? [05:53] LSD`, yeah, with goatse [05:53] LSD`, yeah, with goats [05:53] slackytude: I'm concatenating several smaller films and you can see when one ends and another begins (twice the same frame or missing frame, need to check) [05:53] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-193-140.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:54] alisonken1noc: I only do pr0n -_- [05:54] there is evidence on noobfarm [05:54] v) [05:55] slackytude: yeah, lots of evidence http://noobfarm.org/?id=1566 [05:55] =) [05:55] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.26.145) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:56] dirty lies! [05:56] Id never delete 500GB of goat porn [05:57] bah, I got the 2.1GB of pngs down to 83MB :D [05:57] heh [05:57] Action: Camarade_Tux sets up a tunnel to slackytude's computer [05:57] anyway, Im coming to get some food [05:57] mind sharing the pr0n? :) [05:58] heh [05:58] Im at work [05:58] hunting gremlins [05:58] again? :p [05:58] as long as you're not hunting wabbits [05:58] nah, just gremlins and bugs [05:59] Camarade_Tux, gonna push update soon [05:59] just checking for new bugs atm [05:59] but Im hungry [06:00] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:01] bkUp (n=bkUp@200-155-169-154.static.spo.ifx.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:01] What do Slackers think about monolitic and micro kernel? [06:02] ukh (n=ukh@2001:16d8:ff36:2:21f:d0ff:fe94:dd25) joined ##slackware. [06:02] ukh (n=ukh@2001:16d8:ff36:2:21f:d0ff:fe94:dd25) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:02] I hope you know the correct definition [06:02] because if you think you're talking about Y and M in the kernel settings that is not the same thing [06:04] monolithic works for me [06:05] micro is not the opposite of monolithic here, micro is not a linux kernel with everything as modules [06:05] v4nelle (n=van@78-104-203.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:05] I know this [06:05] but the definition is often confused [06:06] v4nelle (n=van@78-104-203.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Client Quit [06:06] v4nelle (n=van@78-104-203.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:07] High_Priest (n=MMF@nat/ibm/x-6eaefb723e455bbf) left irc: "Bye" [06:08] that was for pri4pus ;) [06:11] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430989.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:11] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [06:12] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [06:14] is there any os with microkernel [06:14] besides mnix [06:15] NT technically has a microkernel iirc [06:16] _technically_ [06:16] Does ANYONE here have any clue how to determine the cause of a completely randow server hang? Ive never worked it out.. if theres nothing logged (because it couldnt) where can you start.. [06:16] CmdLnKid_ (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [06:16] Zordrak: memtest? [06:16] Action: fred considers being pedantic [06:16] check for files with latest accesstime, enable kernel debugging/logging [06:16] Action: fred keeps quiet instead [06:17] Kaapa: co-located mission critical server in a DC.. [06:17] Action: Zordrak appreciates fred's politicism [06:17] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:18] sz^ (n=sz@a91-154-12-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [06:18] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:18] Zordrak: use a null-modem cable from ttyS0 to another machine, specify ttyS0 as a console port, and watch what happens on the console [06:19] or just get a new server [06:19] sometimes it's not just the server [06:20] tbh from the symptoms my 1st thought would be psu [06:20] except there was still link and its a supermicro triple-psu system [06:20] alisonken1noc: im hoping it was a one-off [06:20] alisonken1noc: its not reproducable and therefore monitorable [06:20] (yet) [06:21] slackytude: HURD! [06:21] heh [06:21] anybody ever tried hurd? [06:21] Zordrak: well, we use serial consoles via digi cm's - nice thing is it also has some limited logging (<200 lines), so you have somewhat of a history to review when the server dies [06:22] *nod* [06:24] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: "adios amigos" [06:26] eddief (n=eddie@pool-141-157-210-164.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:27] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.82.203) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:27] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427759.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:28] sz^ (n=sz@a91-154-12-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi) left irc: "leaving" [06:28] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:29] anybody out there? [06:29] no [06:29] how is it possible? [06:30] Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a car that you are still paying for  in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it. [06:30] errrr [06:31] im now 48 without sleeping [06:31] i have another problem for nfs system [06:31] may I ask why? [06:31] into the /et [06:31] because in the old days you cut your own forest, built your own house and made shit which you sold on the market [06:31] into the /etc/fstab of my server, i have this [06:31] paissad.homelinux.com:/media/sharing /media/sharing_HP nfs rw,hard,intr,acl,user 0 0 [06:31] you didnt have to pay some random people "higher" than you for the ability to possess a house [06:32] slak: welcome the real World [06:32] slak: have fun, try not to kill yourself and rack up loads of debt [06:33] sorry it's the fstab of the computer which wants to access to the nfs of the server [06:33] slak: normal for me is getting dressed in the clothes my wife lets me followed by (non-)traffic at night going to work in a beater car that's been paid off for several years [06:33] antiwire, gotta go get spiritual help perhaps [06:33] slak: who you or me? [06:34] me [06:34] slak: go believe in god it makes all problems disappear [06:34] here is what i have into the /etc/exports of the server [06:34] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:34] Nick change: CmdLnKid_ -> CmdLnKid [06:34] tacocat: doesn't make them disappear - but it's healthier than using drugs to make you thing they disappear :) [06:34] tacocat, is spiritual something to do with god? [06:34] slak: depends on who you ask [06:34] slak: no [06:34] people are stupid [06:35] -> /media/sharing 192.168.1.20(rw,sync) [06:35] slak: trust me, im more like you :) [06:35] paissad__: stop using paissad.homelinux.com in your LAN - connecting to that Internet address from within your LAN will never work [06:35] slak: welcome to the real world [06:35] alienBOB: it will if you have a local machine setup as a local dns resolver :) [06:36] alienBOB, oh tha's the matter, but i just wanted to know if there was a solution to make that work, because if i use local adresses, it does work [06:36] paissad__: of course it works that way [06:36] paissad__: there is, but you have to understand how to setup a dns server locally that also works with the internet [06:36] slak: for the record i was being sarcastic [06:37] there aint no justice [06:37] there is no "aint" [06:37] i've heard of paint and faint [06:37] and saint [06:37] alienBOB, but imagine that i want to access to nfs directory or ssh to my home server if i'm not at home .... i will be obliged to change the /etc/fstab and so on [06:38] it's annoying :) [06:38] aint is that what, "are is not"? there are is not no justice? double negative [06:38] paissad__: then learn to setup a local dns server. that's the only way you'll be able to work it [06:38] paissad__: you will not be able to access your NFS share when you are outside the LAN [06:38] tacocat: are you finished yet? [06:39] antiwire: yep i was just finished [06:39] alienBOB, not possible ? ... anyway ? [06:39] Indeed [06:39] damn it [06:39] All you are forwarding is ssh traffic [06:40] You need to setup a VPN if you want to do anything more [06:40] what a pity not to be able to access to the NFS share outside the LAN [06:40] paissad__: what a major security hole if you do allow outside nfs shares to the inside lan [06:40] ohh [06:41] there are some mitigating factors in nfs - but if it's accessible to the world, you also have hacks that can get into your server files [06:41] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [06:42] i see [06:42] isnt nfs v4 considered secure enough for that? [06:42] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.25.176) joined ##slackware. [06:42] Id use sshfs, tho [06:42] it rulz [06:43] slackytude: not sure - I think they include secured connections with a little extra security, but it takes some extra work [06:43] not sure either. which is way Id suggest sshfs [06:44] complexmess (n=complexm@adsl-75-63-16-58.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:45] sh0ne (n=Unknown@nat.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [06:47] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-28-141.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:47] CmdLnKid_ (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [06:54] CmdLnKid1 (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [06:55] sz^ (n=sz@a91-154-12-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [06:56] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.64) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:57] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [06:57] anyone know if there's a way to configure the default behaviour of the smbpasswd program? [06:58] specificaly the -r option, so users dont have to set it themselves [06:58] #samba is filled with a bunch of lurkers and n00bs who cant help me [06:58] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: Client Quit [06:58] rename smbpasswd to smbpasswd.bin, create a script that does it for them that calls smbpasswd.ibn [06:59] hm [07:00] tomten? [07:00] tacokatt? [07:00] fuck it, i'll just make an alias and put it in /etc/bashrc [07:00] i remember the nick "tomten" from somewhere [07:00] tewmten: that only works if it's called from bash/bash equivalent [07:01] the script method works from anywhere [07:01] i only support bash to my users [07:01] so it doesnt matter [07:01] :D [07:01] unless it's called from a daemon or something [07:02] i dont really see the reason for running an interactive application from a daemon, but okay.. [07:02] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:02] true - but it's usually better to look at possibilities rather than quick hacks [07:02] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:02] quick hacks ftw! never document them either [07:03] wtf [07:03] let the next sucker deal with that [07:03] source code is enough documentation [07:03] if it was hard to write it should be hard to understand! [07:03] slackytude: dang - you let out the secret! [07:03] that is my mantra [07:03] hrm [07:04] anybody knows if tail works over a samba share [07:04] I guess it should [07:04] of course it does [07:04] but dont take my word for it, listen to our sponsors [07:04] as long as it's a file that's readable, lower-level interfaces don't count [07:04] *blablabla* [07:04] ya [07:05] time to take out the trash [07:05] rite, rite [07:06] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:06] Nick change: CmdLnKid1 -> CmdLnKid [07:09] CmdLnKid_ (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:09] damnit, someone had overfilled the trash compactor [07:10] so i had to leave the bodies next to it [07:10] dang - hope you get it cleaned up in time before the aroma spreads [07:10] that's the landlords problem, not mine [07:11] tewmten, thats very unhygenic, you might get into trouble for that with the health inspectors [07:11] health inspectors, schmealth inspectors.. i just put them in the elevator shaft [07:11] working as a BOFH you have to be flexible [07:13] makerc (n=makerc@189.18.104.174) joined ##slackware. [07:19] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-fb67cf1be7cdf0bf) joined ##slackware. [07:20] I just noticed how dark shorts show off my server-room-blinkenlights tan [07:20] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [07:21] hitest (n=George@220.70.244.24.scpe.citywest.ca) joined ##slackware. [07:22] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-6-71.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:23] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-1-120.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:24] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [07:25] crappy weather [07:26] slackytude: was it windy for you two days ago and raining yesterday? [07:30] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:31] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. 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[07:42] ah, in a very very fast process [07:42] Camarade_Tux, yeah, its either blazing hot or raining and thunderstor [07:43] slackytude: proof that we can predict each other's weather :P [07:43] BentoPUNK, what filesystem do you use? [07:43] i'm try ext4 [07:44] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:44] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [07:46] Camarade_Tux, aye [07:46] Camarade_Tux, really weird this year [07:46] damn [07:46] i should be working [07:46] not reading blogs [07:47] but im falling asleep here so wtf [07:47] Camarade_Tux, now we are in the blazin hot phase again with thunderstorms due on friday [07:48] hitest (n=George@220.70.244.24.scpe.citywest.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:52] BentoPUNK: while not a real solution, why not wait for slack 13? it's around the corner [07:53] rg3, :) [07:53] BentoPUNK, or try an updated -current iso. or try an alternate filesystem. [07:56] right [07:56] I'm thinking... if I install series a and ap from slackware 12.2 and run slackpkg to upgrade-all and install-new, it's work? [07:56] we are once again gremlin free [07:56] until the next attack, of course [07:57] BentoPUNK: where did you get the ISO? [07:57] Action: slava_dp suspects slackware.no [07:57] slackytude: im not yet. Its mission-critical-hardware-failure week here [07:57] I'm use rsync every single day [07:58] and generate my own iso [07:58] :) [07:58] BentoPUNK: using alienBOB's script? [07:58] or your own? [07:58] my own [07:58] fail :) [07:58] Zordrak, ah, gotta love those little events once in a while. really keeps you up your toes [07:58] slava_dp, slackware.no ? [07:59] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:59] slackytude, they host weekly -current dvd's. [07:59] ah, nifty [07:59] silly TLD, tho [07:59] haha [07:59] slackytude: yesterday the router managing the DMZ took a nosedive and i had to replace it with pfSense in like 2 hours... and last night our co-lo webserver took a dive.. now im STILL fixing stuff. Mysql replication of the colo is- my current job since that broke too [08:00] I mirror from slackware.no.. but i use mirror-slackware-current.sh to do it [08:00] heh, it never rains, it pours [08:01] it never rains, it urinates. [08:01] so, it's possible that are a really bug? may Patrick wold know this? [08:01] BentoPUNK: theres no bug [08:02] BentoPUNK: yourc ISO is almost certainly boned [08:02] do an NFS install instead.. saves discs [08:03] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [08:03] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:05] Zordrak, my internet connection isn't so good.. :( [08:05] you said you rsync [08:05] that would mean you have a full mirror copy.. [08:05] yeap, but it's takes all night [08:05] yeas [08:05] BentoPUNK: nobody would do a net install over internet, it's meant for lan [08:05] >.< [08:06] :O [08:06] kkk [08:06] Lyma (n=Lyma@unaffiliated/lyma) joined ##slackware. [08:06] BentoPUNK: do you have a mirror copy or not? [08:06] Action: Camarade_Tux actually made one with debian but the net install was giving >5MB/s with awesome ping [08:06] Elektro (n=Elektro@77.27.254.204) joined ##slackware. [08:06] Zordrak, yes... now the light blink! :D [08:06] bbt [08:06] I will try [08:06] and archlinux *is* a netinstall :) [08:08] I can make slackware source about 300-400MB even if I keep the compilers, I guess netinstalls are possible but aren't that nice for 2GB ;) [08:09] well, but a netinstall arch doesnt include much [08:11] sure, but that 300mb is a useless system anyway with arch, as you'll be installing 1-2 gigs of crap anyway [08:11] Action: Zordrak <3 mysqldump --master-data [08:13] this is SO frustrating... im trynig to fix a major fail on mysql... but now i cant access dev.mysql.com [08:13] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [08:13] anyone else? [08:13] morning [08:13] Camarade_Tux : what? nobody would do a net install of what over internet? [08:14] Zordrak : same issue here [08:14] Action: Zordrak cries [08:14] ananke: of full slackware [08:14] and s/would/should/ [08:14] happy new year missyjane :) [08:15] Maybe their mysql server is boned .... [08:15] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [08:16] happy new year? D: [08:16] BentoPUNK (n=BentoPUN@201.72.199.2) left irc: "Leaving" [08:18] Zordrak, same here [08:18] Zordrak, shitty luck [08:19] missyjane, morning [08:19] missyjane: and a merry christmas of course :) [08:19] why today? why fscking today?! [08:20] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [08:20] D:.. [08:20] shocker. Oracle own InnoDB. [08:20] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [08:21] jets0n (n=jets0n@213.147.97.233) joined ##slackware. [08:23] plee (n=kurt@83.243.165.183) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:25] missyjane: :) [08:26] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:26] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [08:27] hello! [08:28] happy new year missyjane :) [08:29] >< im confused, whats going on? whhy is my calendar showing july?! [08:29] you must have been taken in a time-bubble, sorry to hear that [08:29] Action: missyjane adjusts the calendar to january [08:30] happy new year missyjane :) [08:30] 2008, 2009 or 2010? [08:30] happy new year everybody! :D [08:30] 2009 of course! [08:30] missyjane: don't forget to wear hot clothes too :) [08:30] THANK GOD FOR THAT!! [08:30] D: hot clothes? im naked right now i just woke up [08:30] hmmmm [08:36] btw, pics or I don't believe it -_- [08:36] k [08:36] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.93.11) joined ##slackware. [08:36] and unrelated, I'd like to repeat a character 'n' times in bash, how should I do that? [08:41] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [08:43] do a loop? D: [08:44] Camarade_Tux, what exactly do you want to do? [08:44] Camarade_Tux: yes CHARACTER | tail -n TIMES, i suppose [08:44] sorry [08:44] head, not tail, my bad [08:45] slava_dp: I want to repeat '2' n times : repeating it 3 times would give 222 for instance [08:45] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) left irc: "leaving" [08:45] yes+head is quite nice but it's not on a single line =/ [08:45] Camarade_Tux: | tr -d '\n' [08:45] for ((n=0; n<3; n++)); do echo -n "2"; done [08:47] Camarade_Tux, suits you? [08:49] slava_dp, rg3, both work pretty well, thanks :) [08:49] slava_dp: I wasn't aware of that syntax, nice one :) [08:50] Camarade_Tux, i'm subscribed to daily #bash :) [08:50] slava_dp: hahaha :P [08:50] _alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:50] Action: Camarade_Tux looks for the subscritpion form [08:51] many people would use perl for that one too [08:52] like in perl -e 'print 2x3 . "\n"' [08:52] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:52] let's over engineer it [08:52] I don't know perl, it's on my tolearn list but I've never had the time [08:52] but i don't know if using perl is acceptable, and if you use it many times maybe you want to do it in perl instead :) [08:52] i don't use perl either, i use python but i recognise perl is widely present in unix while python is not [08:53] Action: rg3 uses solaris boxes at work [08:53] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: "leaving" [08:53] isBEKaml (n=typo@122.164.184.74) joined ##slackware. [08:54] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [08:55] bash is what's widely present [08:55] :) [08:55] /bin/sh is quite universal [08:55] bash isn't on many systems other than linux [08:56] sh? isn't that actually a link to bash? :-> [08:56] i try to stick to posix syntax when scripting in bash, i don't know how much i succeed though. i don't test my stuff on sh. [08:56] isBEKaml: it isn't on BSD [08:57] on slackware, yes, it is. [08:57] im still struggling to learn bash [08:57] but mainly cause i am trying to learn hardware side first for a+ [08:57] and, on all linux systems that I have seen.. :) [08:57] I didn't know about BSD treating sh differently.. [08:57] isBEKaml, it's standard for linux but not for other unices. [08:57] like i said before, "bahs isn't on many systems other than linux" [08:57] some distros use a smaller shell for quicker inits (like dash) [08:58] vadim (i=0@188.128.90.11) left irc: Client Quit [08:59] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. 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[09:16] i see. more than an exhaustive explanation :) [09:18] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:20] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:21] jets0n (n=jets0n@213.147.97.233) left irc: "Bye." [09:26] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: "Bye!" [09:29] Zordrak: you mean you hate one of sun's big product more than another sun's big product? :P [09:30] oh, didn't he hate mysql? :O :P [09:33] The_ManU_212 (n=manolo@port-92-205-11-191.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [09:34] The_ManU_212 (n=manolo@port-92-205-11-191.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [09:34] isBEKaml (n=typo@122.164.184.74) left ##slackware. [09:36] ga [09:36] roughly 300 duplicate entries [09:36] could be worse I guess [09:36] The_ManU_212 (n=manolo@port-92-205-11-191.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Client Quit [09:37] The_ManU_212 (n=manolo@port-92-205-11-191.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [09:37] dvdm (n=dvdm@dsl-240-154-211.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [09:38] bluebaron (n=jbaron@pigeon.start.ca) joined ##slackware. [09:39] for some reason, my .bashrc isn't executing [09:39] if i type bash it works [09:39] but on a general login [09:39] it's not [09:39] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [09:39] anyone know why? [09:39] login shell [09:39] br00tal (n=jesse@host-177-156-2-96.midco.net) left irc: "Leaving." [09:39] is there a way i can set that in putty? [09:40] well, you can tell .profile to source .bashrc [09:40] or the other way around [09:40] .bash_profile executes on login shells [09:41] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.23.164) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:41] do i need #!/bin/sh? [09:41] i didn't think so [09:42] nm ... .bash_profile worked [09:42] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [09:43] yo all [09:43] The_ManU_212 (n=manolo@port-92-205-11-191.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [09:44] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [09:46] The_ManU_212 (n=manolo@port-92-205-11-191.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [09:47] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [09:47] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. 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[09:57] lol [09:57] cause im really really wet [09:57] and its Camarade_Tuxs fault [09:58] Hey! Canada rules. [09:58] slava_dp: solaris is a bit different and some of the most user-friendly parts of linux (command-line wise) are not present, while others are better [09:59] bluebaron: can we come to a compromise? I'll continue to blame just the French speaking parts if that's ok [09:59] I'm down with that [09:59] good [10:00] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [10:00] paissad (n=paissad@85.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:04] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.59.162.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [10:04] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [10:05] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:06] paissad (n=paissad@85.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. 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[10:18] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: "Leaving" [10:19] how can i stop the run of quotacheck after each startup, it takes a while, [10:19] just modify rc.M [10:20] The_ManU_212 (n=manolo@port-92-205-11-191.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [10:20] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) left irc: Connection timed out [10:20] the init message was talking about the journalised system file , something like that [10:21] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [10:23] are you wanting to use quotas? [10:24] john_dee (n=id@89.179.28.177) joined ##slackware. [10:24] i do use quotas ! [10:25] but it's really anoying that quotacheck takes a while for running after each startup of the system :( [10:25] sbl: your console doesn't support UTF-8? [10:26] (or perhaps your keyboard doesn't? lol) [10:27] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.14) joined ##slackware. [10:27] how can i retreive the messages of the boot ? [10:27] the log [10:27] hello all [10:27] dmesg [10:27] /var/log [10:27] it doesn't seem to be dmesg [10:27] i did that [10:27] less /var/log/syslog [10:27] less /var/log/messages [10:28] or /var/log/messages [10:28] -_- [10:28] >.< [10:29] High_Priest (n=MMF@nat/ibm/x-546ac2aee3c22e70) joined ##slackware. [10:29] lordsimian (n=lordsimi@144.38.70.37) joined ##slackware. [10:29] when i do cat /var/log/syslog or messages | grep quota [10:29] i don't see the message i got when i started the system [10:30] those messages are not logged, afaik [10:30] damn it ! [10:30] weird [10:31] paissad, grep quota /etc/rc.d/rc.M [10:31] that's what's printing you the messages. they are not logged. [10:31] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [10:31] slava_dp, i saw that already, but it not really about quotacheck itself [10:31] is anyone here highhhh? oh god [10:32] oh sorry [10:32] but about the journal of my filesystem [10:32] missyjane, are you? :) [10:32] slava_dp, im happpy as hell [10:32] missyjane, what's the cause of happiness? [10:32] btw, if any of you think about using united domains, don't [10:32] fred: why? [10:32] a) you need to /fax/ them to change your nameservers [10:33] b) I've spent a few days now trying to explain glue records to them [10:33] fred: hahahahahaha [10:33] slava_dp, music [10:33] fred, lol [10:37] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:37] im like a dog to get to you, yea yea yea [10:38] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:42] only half an hour and I can go home! [10:42] booyeah [10:42] hehe [10:42] im already home [10:42] good thing im jobless [10:42] heh [10:43] Action: slava_dp is jobmore [10:43] well, I needz the money [10:43] yht_ (n=yht@125.161.51.82) joined ##slackware. [10:44] I could do with a holyday tho [10:44] or two [10:44] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-180-224-29.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:44] i'm having a holiday in 2.5 weeks. woo! [10:44] missyjane is married to a rich guy or is still a child? [10:45] slava_dp, nice [10:45] superGear, both :P [10:45] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: "leaving" [10:46] or is missyjane a college/uni girl? =] [10:46] married and just a child? [10:46] child being under 18 mind you [10:49] slackfan (n=meine@M0316.m.pppool.de) left ##slackware. [10:50] yht_ (n=yht@125.161.51.82) left irc: "I must go.." [10:52] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-207-239.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. 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[11:53] don't know, but it's for preps for the new pdu [11:53] er.. ok [11:54] talk about timing, though, last night I finished cleanups at the lax noc - just in time for tow of the bosses who scheduled time to lax noc today :) [11:54] s/tow/two/ [11:54] lol [11:54] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.12.230) joined ##slackware. [11:55] the fun part this morning was finding out my badge no lnoger works at the aon building - so next week I'll get to try and get it fixed [11:55] alisonken1church, wtf is your job? [11:55] death by xray man? [11:55] noc monkey for dreamhost [11:56] gotta ask the building guys on that one :) [11:56] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.85.212.91) joined ##slackware. [11:58] Dominian: during the cleanuup at lax, found four more brandy new servers still in the boxes the bosses had forgotten about :) so now I have 24 machines at lax just in time to find more slots [11:58] and I hear we have 80 more coming for the garland noc [11:58] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [11:59] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:59] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [12:00] illuz1oN` (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:01] alisonken1church: damn.. should've shipped one of those to me [12:01] hehe [12:01] Dominian: :) [12:02] the one you _really_ want would probably be one of the new dell's with the 2.5" slots [12:02] ooo [12:02] :D [12:02] nah.. I'm good for now :P [12:03] I got that backup on bishop.. plus this VPS.. and a linode...... for now [12:03] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [12:03] Remind me next week and I'll see if I can send you a pick of some of the racks :) [12:03] heh [12:03] there's one rack that's literally nothing but drive shelves [12:04] stop it.. you're turning me on [12:04] :) [12:04] budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [12:04] does the tar command follow symbolic links or something? can't understand why the tar file i created of this directory is so huge compared to the directory itself. [12:05] tar doesn't compress [12:05] tar typically only copies the link -unless you give it the option to copy the file rather than the link [12:05] the resulting file will more than likely be slight larger than the directory due to overhead [12:06] legendulo (n=rpj@92.85.221.49) joined ##slackware. [12:06] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [12:06] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. 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[12:14] <<< alisonken1church!n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [Excess Flood] [12:14] 'du --max-depth=1' ignores the tar file i created as if it does not exist in that directory [12:14] yeah - that was it [12:16] budo:try "du -h --max-depth=1 ." (note the space/period after the max-depth [12:16] i see [12:17] wonder if $PWD could have been used instead of . [12:18] give it a try and see [12:18] $( pwd ) [12:18] tacocat: probably $(pwd) would [12:18] just don't do it on / (root) unless you can exclude /sys and /proc [12:18] sz^ (n=sz@a91-154-12-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:19] holdmypocket (n=choward@vpn.cusonet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:22] sz^ (n=sz@a91-154-12-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [12:22] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [12:22] dorin_ro (n=dorin@92.85.168.189) joined ##slackware. [12:22] hy [12:23] hey [12:23] Camarade_Tux, audacious works on slackware 13.0 rc1 (32 bit) with 5% max cpu and 150mb memory [12:23] i want to scan my M$ windows for virus using linux; what soft. u think i may use? [12:24] clamav?? [12:24] dorin_ro, sure [12:24] google for it [12:24] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427759.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [12:24] clamav is good?? [12:24] sure [12:24] i heard about f-prot [12:24] several live cd minidistro's use it [12:25] shoud i use a *.tgz file or install it myself ? [12:26] just use one [12:26] check slackguilds.org and see if it's there [12:26] paissad (n=paissad@85.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:26] josefig (n=josefig@200.77.73.172) joined ##slackware. [12:27] ok,tnx [12:28] s/slackguilds/slackbuilds/ [12:30] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-133-153.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:30] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-200-207.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Reconnecting" [12:30] ok i see what it is: tar command archived directories and subdirectories and their respected files while the du command only reported size for current directory that was showin [12:33] legendulo (n=rpj@92.85.221.49) left irc: Client Quit [12:33] wsp4th (n=wsp4th@208.88.85.160) joined ##slackware. [12:34] that's why you should usually do "du -sh /wherever" [12:34] budo, ^ [12:34] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: "Leaving" [12:36] alright i need to concentrate, take care [12:36] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [12:37] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [12:37] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:37] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [12:38] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [12:39] osmotic cranberries 8-S [12:41] osmotic cranberries, huh? [12:42] yup [12:42] Wiren (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] Guest6086 (i=buffer@77.246.19.109) left ##slackware. [12:48] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [12:49] sQuEE (n=narya@host20.201-252-18.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:50] david_ (n=david@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:50] david_ (n=david@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:50] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-161-74.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [12:51] audacious: 150MB memory, amaroK 550MB memory. audacious: 3-5% CPU, amaroK 4-5% CPU [12:51] init[1] (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [12:52] manwich-work (n=tjones@174-159-3-188.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [12:53] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.76.45) joined ##slackware. [12:53] 550mb of memory! I call bullshit [12:53] not here [12:53] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:55] checkinstall failed to install clamav. why....? [12:55] yht_ (n=yht@125.161.69.16) joined ##slackware. [12:55] I do not recommend using checkinstall [12:55] there's a slackbuild for clamav on slackbuilds.org iirc [12:55] Dominian: correct [12:55] thrice`, stand by [12:55] I've never seen amarook use 500+MB of ram [12:56] if it is.. gotta be a mem leak somewhere [12:56] kde4 itself only uses a couple hundred meg total [12:56] let me run it again [12:56] hm.. postfix vs exim [12:56] hell, FF is usually only 150 or so [12:56] sQuEE (n=narya@host20.201-252-18.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [12:56] Amarok uses 45MB RSS here. [12:57] quasar: postfix :p [12:57] (KDE 3.5.10) [12:57] thrice`: including Akonadi? [12:58] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/amarok.jpg [12:58] Resident memeory 76m [12:58] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [12:58] VIRT 485 [12:58] its using 76MB of RAM [12:58] don't bother with VIRT [12:59] 76MB is reasonable. [12:59] wulfmax_ (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:59] audacious: RES 32mb SHR 11mb [13:00] granted i'll be honest: i don't know the difference between those three (brb, time to read) [13:00] FF 3.5.1 here uses 140MB RSS [13:00] so amarok is light, in comparison [13:00] Resident memory is the actual RAM being used [13:01] but if it's allocating 550MB something in virtual, isn't that RAM that, whether used or not, the kernel is going to try to reserve? [13:01] that's like 1/4 my total RAM [13:01] If that were the case... My box would've crashed by now [13:01] TwinReverb: it includes all shared and linked memory [13:01] why would it feel the need to grab that much? [13:01] because my Virtual RAM goes way above what I have [13:02] ok so linked then meaning if it links to other daemons and/or programs that are resident, it appears that it is using more than it really is? [13:03] acidch1ld (n=wmirc_us@CPE002191f86f47-CM00194747a73c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [13:03] hi [13:04] wulfmax_ (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [13:04] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:06] Might get my second Slackware box up! [13:06] hello acidch1ld [13:06] acidch1ld (n=wmirc_us@CPE002191f86f47-CM00194747a73c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:06] My grandma's friend (who's 86); Wanted all his files burned to disc (a total of 1.5GB) [13:06] i wonder if there's a way to run a hostname search [13:06] He went to a shop, they were gonna charge him £25 [13:06] which is 40$ for the americans here [13:07] i let a friend borrow my laptop and i was wondering how hard it would be if she's using the same ISP what the IP address of my laptop is if i know the host name [13:07] illuz1oN: That seems like a fair price to me. [13:07] i.e. the hostname of the box, not what the ISP calls the box [13:07] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:07] Are you for real eviljames? [13:07] ! [13:07] £25 to burn 1.5gb to a DVD disc? [13:07] illuz1oN: Maybe a little cheap - I'd charge $60 for the same service, assuming it took an hour or less. [13:07] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:07] TwinReverb: build a script that checks whatismyip.com or slackadelic.com/ip.php and sends you the IP [13:08] An hour? [13:08] WTF? [13:08] illuz1oN: If you want my time you have to pay for it. I don't work free. [13:08] It took me 2 minutes to setup the computer, and 3 minute to burn the disc. [13:08] illuz1oN: You should've billed ~35 quid for that. [13:08] I'd charge £5 [13:08] He's a grandma's friend. [13:08] Dominian, no it's not a registered domain [13:08] I don't rip friends off. [13:08] a DVD cost 50p (70/80 cents?), and only 1.5gb would be used (so... 20p? 40 cents?) [13:08] If I went to a shop, asked that service, and got that back. [13:08] illuz1oN: Oh, I give people the friends & family rate of around 15 pound per hour. [13:08] I'd actually Slap the owner. [13:08] i.e. the hostname of the machine is what i set using netconfig, but to find it out here [13:09] if you reverse DNS an IP address on an ISP, it's going to point to the ISP so that won't help [13:09] i'm saying NOT using the domain name system [13:09] illuz1oN: actually, you're probably right - for a friend of my grandparents I'd probably do it free.. but still. [13:09] still what? [13:09] That's a fucking rip off. [13:09] TwinReverb, doubtful [13:09] dive, yeah [13:10] that's why i was thinking a ping and ssh scan of the network would be better [13:10] illuz1oN: Still, I don't want to inherit people who call me every time they don't understand something about their computer - it's not "Show Friends" it's "Show Business" you know? You want my help with a machine - it costs $. [13:10] Yeah. [13:10] If a random came to me [13:10] but I still wouldn't charge that [13:10] that's outrages [13:10] Once you do it for free they'll expect more of it. [13:10] outragous* [13:10] illuz1oN: I bill friends & family. I don't feel bad about it. [13:11] illuz1oN, this guy wasn't a friend of the shop's though was he? So they charged a minimum of 1 hours work quite likely [13:11] Then when you don't, you'll be outcasted.. [13:11] agentc0re|work: correct [13:11] I charge friends and family beer. [13:11] So many cases of beer per hour :P [13:11] agentc0re|work: precisely. That's why I tell my family to expect my bill. [13:11] He's paid me in the past james. [13:11] he paid me £10 for burning a DVD. [13:11] Work is the worst place. I have lots of people coming to me, esp my doc's, thinking that i'm here for their home problems too. [13:11] and £20 for fixing his laptop [13:11] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:11] I'm buying the PC off him for £25 [13:11] so, I don't mind [13:12] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:12] illuz1oN: ah, great then - accept his sum (even if it's not your usual rate) and say thank you to him. It looks like you have someone on your hands who understands that nothing in life is free. Perfect client to have. [13:12] a 50p disc isn't gonna set me back [13:12] illuz1oN: If I bring my car to my dad's shop there's going to be a bill. Nobody is in the business of giving stuff away -- except maybe Cannonical. [13:12] yht (n=yht@125.161.50.237) left irc: Connection timed out [13:12] then again, it depends [13:12] yea [13:13] if they're guaranteeing that they'll back up >20GB to DVDs in < 1 hour, that may not be bad i guess [13:13] but those joints usually seem to charge too much anyways [13:13] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:14] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] is this even for hard drives that are totally dead? [13:14] TwinReverb: too much for you. If you're a backyard mechanic you won't pay a guy $60 / hour for an oil change. But if your knowledge of cars is "gas pedal means go!", that's a different story. [13:14] Rebooting; brb [13:14] it depends on how much your time is worth to you [13:14] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:14] I don't even answer my phone if I know it's for a PC question any more. [13:14] TwinReverb: Oh, that as well. [13:15] and honestly if you have (for instance) a hard drive that is dead and they happen to have the tools such as universal hard drive controllers that can bring the data back to life, it's worth it [13:15] thumbs: I considered setting up a second phone line for people to call me with their PC questions - on the understanding that if that phone rings there would be a bill issued. [13:15] time that i normally spend with my wife and kids, that time is > $100/hour [13:15] thumbs: dont answer? pff.. I dont even have a phone anymore.. if they want to contact me it has to be through email so I can ignore it all I want and claim it was a spam filter lol [13:15] eviljames: pffft. Too much trouble. [13:15] you can't replace lost time with family with money [13:16] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [13:16] TwinReverb: heh, after 5PM my rate doubles. After 9PM, Quadruples. [13:16] you can't pay me enough to lose sleep either 8-) [13:16] besides I tell them now that I don't know how windows works any more [13:16] I'll get out of bed or leave the bar for $250 - $300 / hr. [13:16] v4nelle (n=van@78-104-203.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:16] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [13:17] it had better be thermonuclear war if you're waking me up in the middle of the night [13:17] Techtronic (n=turbutge@77.90.71.6) joined ##slackware. [13:17] bbiab - doing some work on a puter :P [13:17] TwinReverb: only if I can use a tactical nuke on windows [13:17] windows IS the bomb 8-( [13:17] the bomb that blows up your data [13:18] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-fc814beca258666f) left irc: [13:18] hello! i have one stupid question ... about this:mozilla-firefox-it-3.5.1-i686-1sl .. why IT ? why not RU or LT ? beter EN [13:18] TwinReverb: funny enough, windows corrupted the FAT on a USB drive recently at work [13:19] Techtronic: I have a question too.. where'd you get that? [13:19] TwinReverb: and they blamed my linux laptop [13:19] Techtronic: that isn't an official package [13:19] slapt-get --update [13:19] fail [13:19] thumbs, laughable [13:19] slapt-get --search mozila [13:19] Techtronic: we don't support slapt-get. [13:19] Action: TwinReverb stabs XGizzmo [13:19] how have you been, XGizzmo ? [13:19] Okay, just working my butt off. [13:20] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A7472C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:20] anyway why IT :/ [13:20] Techtronic: Not only that.. slapt-get uses unofficial third party repositories.. so find out what repository that came from.. and ask them why IT [13:20] ok guy - I'm taking a screenshot of an irssi theme. Everyone say Cheeeeese [13:20] We aren't going to have an answer for you [13:20] Techtronic: we don't support slapt-get. [13:21] _|_ [13:21] Action: slackytude says cheese [13:21] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [13:21] dive: cheeeeeeeeeeeese [13:21] kiss my ass dive! [13:21] :) [13:21] that'll do thanks [13:21] Action: dive stabs Dominian [13:21] Techtronic: you're officially on your own [13:21] akSeya (n=akSeya@187-26-28-114.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:22] dive: FROMAGE! [13:22] slapt-get/swaret are evil [13:23] BP{k}, I just got you in there [13:23] Nick change: init[1] -> init[1]|znc [13:24] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [13:25] hahaha [13:25] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] Action: TwinReverb got a kick out of the -oS option in nmap [13:26] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:26] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:27] -oS filespec (ScRipT KIdd|3 oUTpuT) . Script kiddie output is like interactive output, except that it is post-processed to better suit the l33t HaXXorZ who previously looked down on Nmap due to its consistent capitalization and spelling. Humor impaired people should note that this option is making fun of the script kiddies before flaming me for supposedly "helping them". [13:27] wsp4th_ (n=wsp4th@208.88.85.160) joined ##slackware. [13:27] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:27] TwinReverb, nice stuff [13:28] illuz1oN: where is your openssh exploit, btw? my thinkpad was still alive this morning [13:28] firebird619 (n=fire|bir@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:28] thrice`, does your ISP filter ssh? [13:28] MY? [13:28] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-166-65.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:29] Nick change: firebird619 -> Guest54888 [13:29] It's not MY exploit. [13:29] it won't matter how 1337 someone is, if your ISP filters out the protocol they'd have to hack that ISP first [13:29] unless they try to obfuscate or mask what they're doing, but i don't know if they can [13:29] oh, you are just bringing it to the masses? [13:29] i once had an ISP that filtered out ssh regardless of what port we tried to use. they filtered by protocol AND port [13:29] illuz1oN and his exploits [13:30] I stated it was my friends, not mine. [13:30] and I've had confirmation from another guy that it does exist. [13:30] then tell them openssh ppl [13:31] It's not my job to tell them; if the exploit finders want to, then they can [13:31] it's not your job, true, but it is your duty [13:31] um sure it is your job [13:31] job: you get money for it [13:31] duty: your moral responsibility [13:31] why do you use OSS software yo [13:31] well ok it is his duty [13:32] otherwise if you don't help out the community you use products from, you're a freeloader [13:32] Action: TwinReverb chews gum in the shower [13:33] Good evening [13:33] Good morning* [13:33] well late morning [13:33] good afternoon [13:33] i'm not insulting you illuz1oN [13:34] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:34] i am [13:34] Action: TwinReverb stabs Superbaloo [13:34] #care if you are or not. 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[13:34] Action: TwinReverb stabs superGear for dodging with tab completion [13:34] LOL TwinReverb; tabbed :P [13:34] yeah tab fail i know [13:34] poor Superbaloo [13:34] Action: TwinReverb magically heals Superbaloo [13:34] there, happy? 8-S [13:35] not really [13:35] you seem to be in a good mood today, TwinReverb [13:35] but it'll do [13:35] he got "lucky" [13:35] i usually am in a good mood, even if i don't put "8-)" on the end of everything [13:36] brb [13:37] josefig (n=josefig@200.77.73.172) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:37] wsp4th (n=wsp4th@208.88.85.160) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:39] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-133-153.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:40] Nick change: Guest54888 -> fire|bird [13:40] weird [13:40] scalding hot water coming from the cold water spout [13:40] Action: TwinReverb checks to make sure no one put LSD in his soda [13:42] yum [13:42] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE70BF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:42] LSD is not fun in hot weather [13:43] Necos: I concur [13:45] Techtronic (n=turbutge@77.90.71.6) left irc: "Leaving" [13:45] LSD` isn''t all that fun of a guy [13:46] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [13:47] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:48] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:49] Whoever said 13.0rc was stable... it rocks! :D [13:50] TwinReverb: well, it always had problems for me, really *always* [13:50] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:50] NthDegree: well, I've heard that slackware RC's are more stable than most other distro's long-term-support releases [13:50] Wer sich ärgert, büßt die Sünden anderer [13:51] alisonken1church, yeah it seems that way from this end =] [13:51] steht bei www.schneider-berlin.net unter sprüche [13:51] sorry wrong window [13:51] i've only got one problem at the moment. I can't get USB flash drives to mount through HAL [13:52] Camarade_Tux, same computer this whole time? [13:52] NthDegree: are you part of the plugdev group? [13:52] why isn't LSD fun in hot weather? [13:52] thumbs, yeah I made sure of that [13:53] Installing Slackware on my new box :D [13:53] NthDegree: did you log off after adding yourself to that group? [13:53] TwinReverb: yes [13:53] and I know I'm not the only one [13:53] that may be the reason [13:53] thumbs, yeah I did.. i'll reboot in a sec just to make sure [13:53] NthDegree: no need to reboot. [13:53] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:53] Here's the error I get anyway: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.63" (uid=1000 pid=17264 comm="exo-mount -n -h /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volum") interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member="Mount" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="org.freedesktop.Hal" (uid=0 pid=3012 comm="/usr/sbin/hald --daemon=yes ")) [13:54] ah the first user on the box (uid=1000) [13:54] and i'm no expert when it comes to fiddling with HAL policies [13:55] oops gimme a sec [13:55] i'm not in the plugdev group according to groups [13:55] that could do it [13:55] brb [13:55] NthDegree: ah, fix that and log off. [13:55] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-223-127.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:55] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-223-127.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [13:55] is there any website that describes the slackware package system in full detail, step by step, line by line? this is confusing : ( [13:56] nope, it still fails [13:56] and I am definitely in plugdev now [13:56] http://www.slackbook.org/html/book.html [13:56] budo, ^ [13:56] slackytude2 (n=slacky@141.100.40.123) joined ##slackware. [13:56] ok. ill check it out : ) [13:56] NthDegree, "groups" in a shell lists plugdev? [13:56] TwinReverb, it does now =] [13:56] [martyn@hp3700 ~]$ groups [13:56] users floppy audio video cdrom games plugdev scanner [13:56] NthDegree: I've got messagebus, haldaemon groups on mine [13:56] but it still fails [13:56] budo, u can read all info about installed packages on /var/log/packages/ [13:57] NthDegree, maybe log out, log in as root, restart hal, log out root, log back in and try it? [13:57] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A7472C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [13:57] NthDegree, did you log right out of X and console? [13:57] TwinReverb, i'll reboot to save the hassle =] [13:57] dive, yeah I did a second ago [13:57] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [13:57] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:57] I logged out of X and console [13:58] it might be /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload [13:58] paul424 (n=chatzill@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:58] and restart hal too to be on the safe side [13:58] works now [13:58] was restarting HAL that was needed ^^ [13:58] thanks dive ^_^ [13:58] yw [13:59] budo, you can also read the documentation at slackbuilds.org [13:59] I guess this means I for once have a perfectly working system [14:00] hah! riight [14:00] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:00] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: "Leaving" [14:00] ty. ive tried that site already, but i dunno. they leave out mentioning crucial steps or tems i need to know as a beginner [14:00] terms* [14:01] Hello everyone. :) [14:01] hello fire|bird [14:01] Hello fire|bird! [14:01] Hi NthDegree, how are you? [14:01] budo: then you're not ready to use them. [14:01] hello pri4pus [14:02] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [14:02] budo: what kind of steps/terms are you looking for? slackware package management is basically a compressed tarball of the files as they would reside on your machine, with a doinst.sh shell script for things like adding users and links [14:02] Crucial steps? lol [14:02] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:02] SlackBuilds are just scripts that generate a tree that gets tarred into a package [14:02] WTF is the point of presenting debug messages informing me of what drivers are being loaded, crashing and advising the machine to reboot without providing any debugging output? [14:02] kejen (n=brian@c-24-1-27-173.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:03] eviljames: think of it like a strip club [14:03] err, that came out cyclical - but really crash -> immediate reboot is stupid. [14:03] eviljames, are you talking about a BSOD? [14:03] eviljames: welcome to the windows world [14:03] NthDegree: I wish I could get a BSoD [14:03] eviljames, you can if you're on Windows [14:03] :P [14:03] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A7472C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:03] hey - I've got a BSoD screen saver - does that count? [14:03] john_dee (n=id@89.179.28.177) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [14:03] NthDegree: That at least provides *some* message. Black screen of loading drivers -> reboot w/o any human interaction. fsck windows. [14:04] On Windows you can change it so it doesn't auto reboot [14:04] cfdisk windows. There - fixed it for you eviljames [14:04] and the same on Linux too :> [14:04] Sadyl, the solution in this case won't be to format/reinstall until AFTER I use dd or norton ghost on the drive. [14:04] i dunno. itll come to me if i keep reading @ alis [14:04] ty for your help though [14:04] budo, tried sbopkg? [14:04] NthDegree: Oh? So it will just hang? [14:05] eviljames, yeah it just stays with the BSOD :P [14:05] and in the case of Linux yes, it will leave the panic up there [14:05] like for example, why does a package need to be extracted from the root directory? does this mean i have to download the tarball to the root directory? [14:05] i cant download the tarball into the home directory ? [14:05] no [14:05] budo: why are you manually extracting packages to / ? [14:06] eviljames, sysctl kernel.panic = 86400 [14:06] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.85.221.49) joined ##slackware. [14:06] eviljames, end result is 1 day delay before a reboot [14:06] :P [14:07] NthDegree: ok, well, the system I'm working on is rebooting during the boot process - can't even "Safe Mode w/ Command Prompt" [14:07] eviljames, that is easy to fix [14:07] i'm not. its just the wording on the site makes me think that is what needs to be done [14:07] Mr_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-7fdb681bd5c5bde5) joined ##slackware. [14:07] NthDegree: If your 'easy fix' is format/reinstall nerd rage will be on your doorstep. [14:07] on the menu next boot it has "disable automatic restart on system failure" [14:07] it's somewhere at the bottom [14:07] In Slackware, a package is simply a tar archive file that has been compressed with gzip. Packages are built to be extracted in the root directory. <<< [14:08] NthDegree: ?! How did I miss this setting? [14:08] you only get it if you crash before the next boot [14:08] when you crash and reboot, you should automatically get the F8-like menu [14:08] and it'll have an option for that at the bottom [14:08] when you choose it, the boot will act as a normal boot but hang with a BSOD rather than auto-reboot [14:09] Mr_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-7fdb681bd5c5bde5) left irc: Client Quit [14:09] budo: not by you [14:09] see lol [14:09] and thats the confusion [14:09] pkgtools does that part. if you want to inspect a package use explodepkg in a test directory. [14:10] eviljames, and when you next fix it to work again, the option to prevent auto-reboot is on Control Panel->System-> Advanced -> [One of the three stupid settings buttons] -> Automatically Restart [ ] [14:10] (or it is for XP anyway, Vista is a bit different there) [14:10] k [14:10] yeah they increased the stupidity [14:10] of the OS and the typical user of it [14:11] NthDegree: k, this is way off topic for this chan. pm? [14:11] TwinReverb, they took away something they got right with XP.. Run As on Vista is purely for becoming Administrator now [14:11] lol okay ^_^ [14:11] but yet it asks you "are you sure?" type questions over and over and over [14:12] it annoys some people so much that they just run as admin to avoid the questions [14:12] they couldn't even copy off mac / linux PROPERLY it seems lol [14:14] so, all i need to do is leave the package in its tarball form and the package tool will do the rest ? @ antiwire [14:14] wtf? [14:14] budo: what, exactly, are you trying to do? [14:15] it seems like you are over thinking this. [14:15] I *really* don't know how to make the howto any clearer. [14:15] budo: a plain source tarball is not a slackware package. [14:15] rworkman, make crayon pictures [14:15] if it's something that comes in .tar.gz, but called .tgz, that is NOT a slackware package, it's a tarball [14:15] download a package and install it [14:15] a slackware package and a tarball seem similar but they are not [14:16] budo: you download the program's source code, extract the tarball, build the program and then package it and then install the resulting package using pkgtools [14:16] yes that is what is meant , the plain source tarball i leave it as it is and the package tool does the rest ? [14:16] no. [14:16] budo: just go use debian [14:16] lol [14:16] nice [14:16] /sarcasm [14:17] write up step by step instructions for me so ill understand [14:17] that has already been done. [14:17] step by step for what? [14:17] to make a package? [14:17] to install a package? [14:17] budo, you'd untar it, and do configure && make && make install [14:17] budo, first of all where are you getting this package from? [14:17] and what specific package are we talking about? [14:17] Action: TwinReverb gives up [14:17] budo, that migt give us a clue what it is [14:18] This is like me trying to explain the difference between left click and right click to my mom-in-law. [14:18] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/xchm/ [14:18] ok that is not a packages [14:18] http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [14:18] -s [14:19] you know it's hot outside when you literally sweat all the way through everything you are wearing [14:19] budo, those arent source tarballs, those are slackbuilds [14:19] rworkman: That's a quick 'garden path' - "How many buttons on your mouse" "Is one to the left and one to the right?" ... [14:19] budo: this is the xchm source tarball http://downloads.sourceforge.net/xchm/xchm-1.14.tar.gz and this is the xchm slackbuild archive: http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/12.2/system/xchm.tar.gz [14:19] budo, how far have you got with it? Did you download the slackbuild .tar.gz? [14:19] slackytude2 (n=slacky@141.100.40.123) left irc: No route to host [14:20] no, not yet @ dive [14:20] doing exercises in 83F but 99% humidity and full sunlight is not easy, much less when you're wearing full body long sleeve and long pant chemical suit [14:20] budo, take a look at sbopkg.org [14:20] Action: TwinReverb is doing 12 hour shifts in an exercise at Kunsan http://www.kunsan.af.mil [14:20] ok, ty @ slackytude [14:20] budo, I did suggest reading the slackbuilds.org howto earlier. Did you read it? [14:20] TwinReverb, eh, that sucks [14:20] eviljames: but I *know* that she has a two button mouse. :) [14:20] it could be worse: it could be for real [14:20] he is never going to understand this now that he is moving to sbopkg [14:20] TwinReverb: full mopp3? had to do that in San Antonio this time of year about 10 years ago.. not fun [14:20] MOPP4 [14:20] that's a fine tool but he has no base. [14:20] eep [14:20] oi [14:21] john_dee (n=id@89.179.28.177) joined ##slackware. [14:21] wtf are you trining for [14:21] think about it for a minute or two and the answer will come to you [14:21] yeah let him build one manually before using sbopkg [14:21] good point [14:22] think about when and why this base was built and don't read into it [14:22] we defend south korea [14:23] yes, how do i manually do it [14:23] so i can see the steps and the files that are involved in the process [14:23] at the moment I'm worried about the Taliban taking control of Pakistan = nuclear armed country [14:24] why not North Korea? they've already got the nukes :p [14:24] budo, read the link that rworkman posted above: http://www.slackbuilds.org/howto [14:24] and ICBMs [14:24] N-Korea is an inward-looking country [14:24] quasar, them too [14:24] Taliban want to rule the world [14:24] the taliban? thats a joke [14:25] OK muslim militants want to rule the world [14:25] slackytude, there's almost civil war in Pakistan against the taliban [14:26] wish me luck 8-) [14:26] dive, so what? besides, isnt pakistan complaining against US action in afganistan as well? [14:26] sure man [14:26] they're putting up a good fight.. but I think the more immediate threat with North Korea considering the unknown state of Kim Jong Il (from what I've heard his youngest son is to take over, then it'll be pretty much military ruled) [14:26] TwinReverb, good luck [14:26] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [14:26] slackytude, so what? [14:26] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: "leaving" [14:26] dive, I fail to see your point [14:27] the point is if the taliban do get control of pakistan t will be the first militan moslem nuclear armed state [14:27] dive, except they can't [14:28] rworkman: of course, you know she has a 2 button mouse. Sometimes people just need to be awakened to a fact. :P [14:28] well, and if aliens ant overlords invade us we will be slave in the sugar mines. thats about as likely [14:28] NthDegree, well there is a civil war going on right now [14:28] dive, international war rules mean they can't take charge without the whole world going apeshit [14:28] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:28] dive: I'm pretty sure India does NOT want a nearby nuclearly armed militant muslim state. [14:28] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.85.221.49) left irc: "Leaving" [14:28] NthDegree, since when did they listen to international war rules?? [14:29] eviljames, India already dislike Pakistan [14:29] Action: init[1]|znc o_O [14:29] and vice versa [14:29] DagMoller (n=aguirre@unaffiliated/dagmoller) joined ##slackware. [14:29] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [14:29] nothing like a diaper blow out to wake up to [14:29] out the sides up the crack [14:29] and they are already nuclear armed muslim state. one could argue about militant [14:29] how i know what RTC driver can i use? [14:30] dive: yeah, and if you think they aren't watching the Pakistani situation very, very closely you're fooling yourself. [14:30] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [14:30] DagMoller, if you have a PC, it would be the CMOS driver [14:30] =] [14:30] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [14:30] NthDegree, aways? [14:30] NthDegree, they are suicide bombers. What reason could they have for not dropping a bomb? [14:30] DagMoller, as the CMOS is the writeable area for BIOS settings in a PC [14:30] dive: I'm sure they understand MAD. [14:30] eviljames, not saying they are not [14:30] tester-ubuntu (n=tester-u@adsl-75-5-245-19.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:30] DagMoller, yes in any PC that has a BIOS [14:30] hey all [14:30] ok thx [14:30] anyone use devdee [14:31] tester or ubuntu in ##slackware [14:31] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:31] of* [14:31] I think the real question is, if Taliban does take control of Pakistan (which I dont think will happen) .. will they have access to the nuclear arsenal? We've heard from Pakistan that they're very secure, but do we trust their judgement? [14:31] yes in slackware [14:31] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [14:32] tester-ubuntu, why do you have the nickname 'tester-ubuntu' if you use Slackware? lol [14:32] could be a slackware user testing out Ubuntu [14:32] i could be anything [14:32] quasar: or a ubuntu user testing out slackware. [14:32] lol [14:32] anyways [14:32] How do i make the src2pkg to use the particluar installation script inside untared archive ? [14:32] quasar: which is kinda like a buddhist reaching enlightenment... [14:32] ah shit now we have a paradox!! [14:33] whats a good app that will allow me to put 20 mpeg files with a picture in the title and let me convert to a iso [14:33] tester-ubuntu: tovid [14:33] gui ? [14:33] ok, tovid-gui :P [14:33] tester-ubuntu: http://tovid.sf.net/ [14:33] will it allow me to play it in a normal/regular dvd player [14:33] tester-ubuntu: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tovid [14:34] devdee is giving me headaches [14:35] I have a problem with file permissions on an NFS mount. I cannot change the permissions, even as root. [14:35] Does anyone have any ideas? [14:36] DagMoller (n=aguirre@unaffiliated/dagmoller) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [14:36] 1) root on one machine shouldn't have permission over an nfs mount. 2) Your UID should match the one on the files from the NFS mount. [14:37] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:37] dorin_ro (n=dorin@92.85.168.189) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:37] Ookay. o_O [14:37] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: "Leaving" [14:38] The files are on a NasLite server. [14:38] I only noticed because my SqueezeCenter no longer listed some files. [14:39] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl26-234.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:39] When I checked I saw that permissions had been changed, and that I couldn't change them back. [14:39] They are all #98 nobody now. [14:40] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [14:40] Probably something to do with letting a friend on an Ubuntu box log on to the server and fart around. [14:40] That's bad. apparently it has telnet access for remote admin (I googled). [14:40] hahaha: from the ##slackware stats page: "friggens has quite a potty mouth. 2.8% words were foul language. [14:40] Yes, you have to not allow access from outside the LAN on the router etc. [14:40] For example, like this: apt-get nigger " [14:41] I thought the foul language was "apt-get" ;p [14:41] genericFlounder (n=genericF@c-67-162-127-32.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [14:41] lol [14:41] Camarade_Tux: link? [14:41] y0 Camarade_Tux [14:42] racist :| [14:42] eviljames: http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_stats2/ [14:42] hey who could help me with the src2pkg programs [14:42] eviljames: http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_stats2/ [14:42] <|ast|> permission in /tmp for root y user? [14:42] yoyo fire|bird :) [14:43] <|ast|> chown -R 755 /tmp ?? [14:43] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:43] paul424: just ask and someone may answer [14:43] juancate (n=juancate@unaffiliated/juancate) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:43] I'm sure I've simply overlooked this but.... Anyone know how to set Konqueror to display the available disk space of the directory which it is currently displaying? Nautilus always shows the free space available at the bottom of the window, but Konquerer only shows the number of files in the directory and the size they collectively utilize. Is this changeable? [14:43] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [14:43] Camarade_Tux: that was almost enough to get you kicked [14:43] Do not let me see that again. Even if _you_ thought it was funny... it is not [14:43] <|ast|> permission in /tmp for root y user? [14:43] <|ast|> chown -R 755 /tmp ?? [14:44] ast, was that meant for me? [14:44] Ast "chmod 1777 /tmp" is the only correct answer [14:44] <|ast|> colmcille: download imposible torrent in firefox [14:44] There is the source with some installation scripts but not in standard makefile format ... rather the script for my system is in directory /sys/unix/setup.sh how to tell the src2pkg to use that script ? [14:44] <|ast|> problema in /tmp [14:44] alienBOB: alright, sorry [14:44] Wow, I thought I'd be higher on the list - yet somehow my alterego eviljame1 has tons of lines? [14:44] |ast| - "chmod 1777 /tmp" is the only correct answer [14:45] <|ast|> alienBOB: thank! [14:46] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [14:48] ok quick question: after i download the source tar ball for a Slackbuild, do i have to extract the tarball or when i run the script does Slackbuild do it for me ? [14:48] ok is there some way of converting the deb package into the tgz format ? [14:48] deb2tgz [14:49] i have never attempted this but is there a way to require password complexity for passwd? [14:49] budo, slackbuild will extract the source [14:49] ok thank you [14:50] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p54A74991.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:51] armedslack is a cool name [14:51] budo: source tarball = source code to compile the application, slackbuild/slackware package is the "setup.exe" .. it does everything for you (except edit the conf files for your specific needs.. but it does click the "Next" button 10000 times for you though!) [14:51] all your processors are belong to us [14:54] tooly (n=tooly@85.178.130.136) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [14:54] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.82.73.96) joined ##slackware. [14:54] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:55] genericFlounder1 (n=genericF@c-67-162-127-32.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[15:09] budo, yes the .tgz or .txz is the end result [15:10] k, thank you. see now i understand SlackBuilds [15:10] Any of you know how to change how often ntpd checks the time against nameservers? [15:10] genericFlounder (n=genericF@c-67-162-127-32.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:10] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [15:11] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:12] ##ntpd [15:12] or #ntpd [15:12] or somewhere else [15:12] ;) [15:12] budo, seriously.. you should read the documentation before asking questions =] [15:12] Action: antiwire slaps jeev with a large trout [15:12] ntpq -p [15:12] ... [15:12] ntpq? [15:12] ntpq -p shows when it's going to happen [15:12] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-62-150.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:13] it's random i think [15:13] not really [15:13] jeev: Did you see what I posted last night about that dd-wrt vuln? I got it working after all [15:13] jeev: some of the dd-wrt images don't have nc enabled in busybox..but you can still reboot the router using the vuln. [15:13] i do. i read A LOT (maybe 6+ hrs a day). the linux community is just a lil confusing at times. [15:13] akSeya (n=akSeya@187-26-28-114.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:14] jeev: That doesn't help [15:14] no i didnt see it [15:14] root (n=root@adsl-69-234-114-203.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] straterra, that's why i didn't suggest it, slackytude2 did [15:14] root (n=root@adsl-69-234-114-203.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:14] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [15:15] #ntp [15:15] the doods there are nice [15:15] slackaholic (i=1000@187-24-133-200.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:15] at least harlan is [15:15] wd_ (n=wd@adsl-69-234-114-203.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:15] do i have to recompile shadow on default install of Slackware 12.2 if i want to add libcrack? [15:16] Action: eviljames slaps jeev [15:16] just libcrack? or all of pam? [15:16] is there a nopaste app for slackware 10.2, something i can cat file | nopaste or sim app? [15:16] not included in slackware, but "wgetpaste" is a pretty good one [15:17] Action: jeev slaps everyone [15:17] thrice`: is it part of wget package? [15:17] Action: eviljames slaps jeev again [15:17] akSeya (n=akSeya@187-26-10-158.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:17] if it were, that would include "part of slackware" [15:17] jeev: Just trying to manipulate the stats a little :P [15:17] Action: jeev drop kicks eviljames then does a DDT [15:17] thrice`: ty [15:17] Action: eviljames has a headache [15:17] i would rather just deal with libcrack for password complexity and avoid pam [15:17] thrice`: no man page thats why i asked. [15:17] and the random acts of violence have started! place your bets now! [15:18] Does Patrick has come recently ? [15:18] wsp4th_: I'm pretty sure you need PAM for that [15:18] shadow doesn't know to check against libcrack without PAM rules that say to do so [15:18] wd_: I was being sarcastic :) I mentioned "not in slackware" :> check here: http://wgetpaste.zlin.dk/ [15:18] ok [15:19] is there any other method other than pam that shadow can use to do complexity checks [15:19] thrice`: i know.. jus teasing.. :) thanks [15:21] slackaholic (i=1000@187-24-133-200.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [15:21] manwich-work (n=tjones@174-159-3-188.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:21] wd_ (n=wd@adsl-69-234-114-203.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:21] i want to stick with slackware as our primary server OS here where i work but i got my bosses hounding me cause got some users that cant seem to get it through their thick skulls not to just use words... damn developers [15:22] words? [15:22] thrice` has been trying to convince me to use lindows [15:23] yea on audit scan last week had one user that had the password "lovely" on all his accounts [15:23] thats just one example [15:23] male/female ? [15:23] sadly male [15:23] sadly. [15:24] wsp4th_, well, you could replace passwd with a script that tests first and only changes pass if strength is ok [15:24] adeodatus (n=rpj@92.82.73.96) left irc: "Leaving" [15:24] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat073.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:25] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [15:26] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [15:27] and things like minimum length can be set in /etc/login.defs [15:28] ferdna (n=ferdna@24.92.112.49) left irc: [15:28] slackytude2: i know that... just looking for way to force complexity... looks like ill be writing a script like you said [15:29] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-198.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:29] force random passwords as company policy [15:29] problem sorted then :P [15:30] Rather than them setting a password, it gets generated for them [15:30] wsp4th_: write a web-based form where the user can change the password, and implement your strength checks there [15:30] Like slackytude2 wrote earlier :-) [15:30] NthDegree: hahahah oh that's a good one. A knee-slapper. I tried to do that, and the uproar from the sales staff was unbelievable. [15:31] eviljames, I found your picture on the Internet [15:31] here > http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Ordinateur/0004.gif [15:31] hi hi hi [15:31] fredoslack, while looking for porn? [15:31] eviljames, "If you can't remember a random password, how can you remember what the person on the end of the phone just said!?" comes to mind :P [15:31] I'm a pretty big name in porn, that wouldn't surprise me. [15:31] lool [15:32] They consider me the #2 consumer worldwide - after jeev. [15:32] ghey porn [15:32] yup. [15:32] alienBOB: yea might be going that route that way i can also make the change happen system wide... wish boss would get off high horse and let just implement NIS for users [15:32] what [15:32] ye gods! NIS [15:32] why? [15:32] NthDegree: They'd respond with "Oh, I can't. I have an IQ of 48, that's why I'm in sales." [15:33] jeev's nick remids me of encyclopaedia dramatica :P [15:33] O_o [15:33] Then get your own back even more [15:33] make them use a USB stick to be able to log in [15:33] USB Root Plug LSM in the kernel :P [15:33] well then i dont have to worry about adding new developer to 64 servers or making sure old ones accounts are disabled [15:34] eh [15:34] jeev, they have a guy called weev :P [15:34] heh [15:34] but why NIS? why not LDAP [15:34] jeev: We were just discussing how much you and I love ghey pr0n. [15:34] jeev: You much more than I, of course. [15:34] eviljames, i used to sell 300GB external porn drives to professional baseball players [15:34] NthDegree, everyone tries to be like me [15:34] NIS was old 10 years ago [15:34] s/base// [15:34] lol [15:35] NthDegree: we did that here for a few months.. then the management bitched that people were writing down their passwords and taping them to their monitors [15:35] damn :( [15:35] Who is hungry? I bring the meal >> http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Manger/0038.gif [15:35] hi hi [15:35] make them put three words in a box [15:35] fredoslack, feed me [15:35] then the generator adds a random number between the three words [15:35] :P [15:35] lol jeev [15:36] never set up LDAP auth server for slackware... done it for RedHat with PAM.... never attempted without PAM [15:36] or three words in three boxes :P [15:36] it might not be watertight but it forces security [15:36] ok my damn server will be online tomorrow, what should i install [15:36] linux or freebsd [15:36] windows [15:36] this is one that was down for a while cause of the sata controller [15:36] any good HowTo to do it on slackware? [15:36] so this doesn't have a customer bound to it [15:37] akSeya (n=akSeya@187-26-10-158.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [15:37] jeev, Linux has better memory protection schemes, proper NX support and superior MAC options [15:37] :P [15:37] but freebsd is elite [15:37] how so jeev [15:37] jeev, do you use GNU tools on FBSD? :P [15:38] Nick change: wsp4th_ -> wsp4th [15:38] cause if you do you're using GNU/kFBSD not FreeBSD [15:38] Action: fredoslack its mouth ears [15:38] i dont care, i use slackware too but for hosting, i prefer fbsd [15:38] wsp4th, no biggie. afaik you need the nss_ldap stuff and you are good [15:38] and I dare someone to use PCC as the compiler rather than GCC :P [15:38] slackware or nothing :} [15:38] i want to do virtualization [15:38] jeev, Linux > FBSD for Virtualisation [15:39] wsp4th, Ive found NIS pretty horrible when I had to deal with it, oh, 7 years ago [15:39] what's virtualization in cpuinfo? what's the flag? [15:39] jeev: to sum up everthing that NthDegree has said and will say.... FBSD is the devil. [15:39] wsp4th, but whatever floats your boat I guess. wasnt trying to flame [15:39] i dont think this CPU has virtualization capabilities [15:39] jeev, why does that matter? :S [15:39] huh, thought you neeeded the capabilities [15:39] Xen does paravirtualisation which is superior to hardware VT [15:40] and VMWare doesn't need VT [15:40] Action: alienBOB uses NIS on a daily basis... his customer has 4000 developers working on SUN workstations [15:40] and QEMU can work with KQEMU which is just as fast as KVM [15:40] alienBOB: Then aren't you using NIS+ ? :P [15:40] Action: eviljames <- enjoys pedantry [15:40] oh crap, alienbob is here? [15:40] Action: jeev runs [15:42] slacky: oh im not saying i wont try to push LDAP... just never attempted it as a auth method on Slackware or without PAM [15:42] jeev, hardware VT is overhyped - it isn't necessary to virtualise at all [15:42] unless you want to use Xen to virtualise Windows.. but for that you want QEMU or VMWare or VirtualBox anyway [15:42] wsp4th: LDAP on Slackware works exactly like having NIS [15:42] Most professional Xen hosts don't use HVM, they use paravirt mode - and those who use VMWare don't benefit much from Hardware VT anyway :P [15:42] it's dual dualcore opteron 256's i guess [15:42] 4 gigs of ram, i have nothing to do with the server [15:43] might as well try splitting it up [15:43] i have some hot HP DL360 G5's, i should virtualize those [15:44] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:46] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [15:47] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.159.33) joined ##slackware. [15:47] quick question is nss_ldap installed on 12.2 when you install openldap_client? [15:48] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [15:49] NthDegree: afaik, hardware virtualization is required to virtualize 64bit OSes though [15:49] Hello Camarade_Tux :) [15:49] hi fredoslack :) [15:50] Camarade_Tux, I have caught breakfast :p >> http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Boissons/xcache4.gif [15:50] :p [15:50] lol fredoslack [15:50] =) [15:50] what's with you and smilies [15:50] wsp4th, afaik no. alienbob has a slackbuild for it tho [15:51] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [15:51] Action: slackytude2 is still on 12.1 [15:51] I love these small figurines :} [15:51] Camarade_Tux, not on VMWare it isn't to my knowledge [15:51] also Xen paravirt can do 64-bit if you have a 64-bit CPU [15:52] Also KQEMU can do 64-bit OSes (experimentally) [15:52] The only virtualisation software that i've seen with that requirement is VirtualBox [15:52] NthDegree: usually it takes harware virt too [15:53] slacky: SlackBuilds.org right? [15:53] Camarade_Tux: I'm sure you are correct that 64-on-64 requires VT [15:54] Camarade_Tux, eviljames: http://www.nongnu.org/qemu/kqemu-doc.html#SEC7 [15:54] does not :P [15:55] "The support for 64 bit guest OSes is experimental (linux 2.6.18 for x86_64 is known to work). " [15:55] KQEMU is purely software and does not need hardware virt [15:55] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [15:55] SteppenwolfII (n=greymaus@86.46.248.81) joined ##slackware. [15:55] wsp4th, http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ [15:56] NthDegree: I might try right now then [15:56] Camarade_Tux, also before Hardware VT was available I swear I had Windows Server 2003 x64 running in VMWare Workstation :P [15:56] SteppenwolfII (n=greymaus@86.46.248.81) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:57] NthDegree: I was also under the impression vmware has/had that, but anyway I don't use vmware anymore, 100% annoying (for me/my uses) [15:58] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-16-3.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:58] I'm pretty sure it's just Sun being lazy with 64-bit software VT support for guests, because VirtualBox was never engineered with 64-bit guests in mind [15:58] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: "Leaving" [15:58] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@174-23-134-24.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:59] not only sun then [15:59] that was touted as a feature just after Sun took over [15:59] because everything else does it, I know Xen's paravirt supports it because I did it ages ago on CentOS 5.x [15:59] this is weird, i have sniffit running on the router at the office, i'm connected via vpn [16:00] i'm not even picking up the traffic betweeen one of the systems here and vpn [16:00] and I have done 64-bit QEMU with KQEMU user mode code virtualisation [16:00] nongnu.org has a *big* problem! http://no-www.org -_- [16:00] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:01] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:02] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: "leaving" [16:02] To install slackware is nothing to experience the music of Wagner :p [16:02] manwich-work (n=tjones@174-159-3-188.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] Or any other good music :} [16:04] This distribution is a jewel <3 <3 <3 [16:04] Does Wagner count towards Godwin? [16:05] why should it? [16:05] I don't understand :( [16:05] was he nazi? >< [16:05] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [16:05] huh? Wagner? [16:05] The nazis appropriated him due to his anti-semitism. [16:06] errr, learning new things everyday [16:06] Hitler was a big fan. [16:06] the guy died in the 19th century or so. how is he responsible for what people did after his dead [16:06] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-26-174.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:06] slackytude2: Nobody said he was responsible, I was just wondering if he counts towards Godwin. [16:06] Action: Camarade_Tux wondering if eviljames isn't making out [16:07] Action: eviljames makes out with Camarade_Tux [16:07] Action: eviljames slaps jeev [16:07] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:08] eviljames: ok, bad english :) [16:08] you guys iz nasty [16:09] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [16:09] eviljames, Camarade_Tux, what the world are you two doing? :P [16:09] well, why would it count toward godwin? because hitler was a fan? then porn would count toward godwin as well, meaning every conversation on the internet and then the terrorists have already won [16:10] jeev: ++ :P [16:10] or the facists [16:10] fascists even [16:10] I just said that I liked Wagner :( [16:10] brb [16:10] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "I'm Leaving" [16:10] eviljames: congratulation, you made a gigantic step towards godwin ;) [16:11] Camarade_Tux, actually, you invoked Godwins Law first [16:11] fire|bird (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [16:11] Re fire|bird [16:12] hello fredoslack [16:12] slackytude2: when? [16:12] was he nazi? >< [16:13] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@97-117-108-94.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:13] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.135.134) joined ##slackware. [16:15] <><><><><><><>:< diamondback rattlesnake [16:17] slackytude2: but only after: "< eviljames> Does Wagner count towards Godwin?" ;) [16:17] Camarade_Tux, right, so I win by default Godwin [16:18] :P [16:18] xP [16:18] ok, you win, but only if you manage to actually make the "XP" smiley, try now ;p [16:19] xP smiley? [16:19] Action: fire|bird slap Camarade_Tux with a hydraulic pump. [16:19] xP [16:19] ^-^ [16:19] slackytude2: with your face ;) [16:19] eh [16:19] fire|bird: nah, you're too weak for that ;) [16:19] lol [16:19] Camarade_Tux, you just want me to send you pictures again [16:19] Camarade_Tux, orly? [16:19] I wont fall for that again [16:20] slackytude2: hehe, I'll trust you ;) [16:20] fredoslack, don't laugh. :P [16:20] Action: fire|bird slap fredoslack with a rather large squid. [16:20] fire|bird: yarly! [16:20] Action: slackytude2 makes the xP smile [16:20] is slackware "stuff" compiled with any security measures? [16:20] like ASLR or other flavors of the concept [16:21] aslr ? [16:21] lool [16:21] slackytude2, I'm surprised how many scripts xchat has. [16:21] greetings Lord_Khelben [16:21] address space layout randomzation [16:21] randomization [16:21] the slackware team does everything in their power to make packages as secure with patches when possible [16:21] yeah that's not entirely what i meant [16:22] tacocat, nope, but Pat puts magic fairy dust on every binary [16:22] tacocat, you could use grsec if you really need it [16:22] im writing an exploit for my msc project but as with all things theoretical; i lack a bit on the practical side of things. i dont want to combat stack execution prevention or randomized shared library function addresses just to get the exploit to work [16:22] if you feel me [16:22] so i need to learn how to use xen [16:23] tacocat, that should still work on slack [16:23] babsically im setting up a virtual machine to use to test against and i would preferrably like one with no security measures in place [16:24] i guess i would be better off with a stage 1 gentoo installation but i really have no time for it =( [16:24] try windows? :D [16:24] + we all know gentoo sux :p [16:25] tacocat, afaik. didnt try to explot stuff for a longtime now. did you try out [16:25] the vulnerable applications are unix based, Camarade_Tux [16:25] tacocat, or try out http://www.overthewire.org/wargames/vortex/ [16:25] gentoo is too much work for too little benefit [16:25] nice training in exploting stuff [16:25] tacocat: you might also get an old version of any distributions, circa 2002 maybe [16:25] y0 Pig_Pen [16:25] slackytude2: that's not the point :) [16:25] hi slackytude2 [16:26] paul424 (n=chatzill@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:26] tacocat, afaik basic buffer overflow and stuff will work in vanilla slack [16:26] slackytude2: thanks for trying to help though [16:26] slackytude2: i will give it a whirl and see which obstacles i come across [16:27] once again " how do I run src2pkg with intention of particular building script ? [16:27] Camarade_Tux, modern windows comes with adress randomisation [16:28] slackytude2: xp then? [16:28] Camarade_Tux, heh, no Vista and beyond [16:28] Camarade_Tux, oh sorry, yeah x [16:28] xp [16:28] anyone here run xen ? [16:28] paul424: no idea, you might ask on linuxquestions.org, there is a slackware forum and you should get more src2pkg help ther [16:29] slackytude2: xP [16:29] paissad (n=paissad@85.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [16:29] ehh ok [16:30] I know src2pkg's author is there ;) [16:33] slackytude2, of Windows libraries [16:33] XP only comes with NX support (Hardware DEP) [16:33] no randomisation [16:33] Vista randomises Windows libraries [16:34] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:34] nothing outside of Vista's own stuff is randomised [16:35] eh [16:35] thats sad [16:36] woo hooo !! we did ! Slackbuilds. installed one package [16:36] Well, it is possible to force randomisation of all executables and libraries, but 3rd party vendor software often breaks [16:37] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:37] NthDegree: do you know similar information about slackware 12.2? [16:38] tacocat, the Linux kernel now does randomisation of libraries and executables by default, however from what I can tell Slackware has Compat VDSO Support enabled [16:38] alright, thanks [16:39] But I do not know whether or not apps are compiled with PIE or not [16:39] NthDegree: doesn't seem to work with hardware support [16:39] as PIE is needed to randomise the executable itself [16:39] Camarade_Tux? [16:39] that's fine. i just wanted to know if this was the "standard" of today or if there was a better more unsecure alternative. But slackware it is then as it is a distro i know [16:39] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-15-2.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:40] NthDegree: about qemu, but maybe it will work actually [16:40] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-182.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:41] NthDegree: it works! \o/ [16:41] Camarade_Tux, you using -kernel-kqemu? [16:41] you just made the #mingw-w64 channel happy ;p [16:41] NthDegree: yeah, but the problem was that I'm a qemu beginner ;) [16:42] Because the problem with 64-bit being experimental comes in with -kernel-kqemu only, user-mode code virtualisation works well :P [16:42] NthDegree: is any of these slower/faster? [16:42] NthDegree, linux kernel does address randomization by default? O_o [16:43] COMRAD [16:43] you use xen ? [16:43] slackytude2, yes it has done for a while but I believe it's an x86_64 specific thing [16:43] jeev: nope [16:43] as there's overhead on 32-bit [16:43] NthDegree, ah [16:43] also, executables need to be compiled with PIE for the executable itself to be randomised [16:43] NthDegree: well, getting "Could not open '/dev/kqemu' - QEMU acceleration layer not activated: No such fil [16:44] bah, but you get the idea [16:44] Camarade_Tux, chmod 777 /dev/kqemu [16:44] then run it :P [16:44] without /dev/kqemu it only emulates [16:44] NthDegree: no, modprobe kqemu ;) [16:44] btw did it compile properly first time [16:45] faster :) [16:45] or did you need to add an extra include? :P [16:45] which cpu do you have? [16:45] NthDegree: using slackbuild ;) [16:45] haha [16:45] KQEMU source has an issue, where it needs sys/scheduler.h or something like that [16:45] I use KVM's qemu with the kvm and kvm-{intel,amd} modules [16:45] it rocks [16:45] antiwire: core2duo T5450, you'd thought it had hw support for that, but it doesn't :) [16:46] btw, I don't think there's any definitive proof that KVM is quicker than KQEMU [16:46] NthDegree: so: modpobe kqemu *and* use chmod ;) [16:46] because Hardware VT isn't optimised enough yet :P [16:47] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl26-234.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [16:47] last time I tried, vbox was slower with hw vt (and that was on a cpu that could do hw vt ); ) [16:48] we got ESXi at work now [16:48] kvm is nearly native speed for me with winXP or linux guests [16:48] I use the latest kvm userspace though [16:49] Fast enough to play the SIMS?! [16:49] kvm-qemu-88 [16:50] eviljames, kvm or kemu have no opengl accel [16:50] macavity (n=macavity@4308ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:50] afaik [16:50] they don't yet [16:50] might work with vbox or vmware [16:50] This is the chief complaint I hear from gf - Linux won't let me play sims - and windows under VBox had no opengl accel until just recently. [16:51] Maybe it's time for me to go check winehq again.. [16:51] just buy her a pc [16:51] or a console [16:52] I tried giving her Windows, but she complained that not enough kde apps would run well on it. [16:52] <3 [16:52] eviljames: hahaha, the dilemma [16:53] NthDegree: what's the difference between qemu-system-x86_64 and qemu-x86_64? [16:53] heh [16:53] Camarade_Tux, qemu-system-x86_64 is for running a whole OS [16:53] eviljames: nah, kde apps run great on windows :p [16:53] well, sims 3 has gold status on wine [16:53] that's what it's designed for [16:53] NthDegree: and qemu-x86_64 a single app? [16:53] i've never seen a qemu-x86_64, but i'd assume that's for a single app yeah [16:54] http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=9732 [16:54] anyone know of a really good guide to speed up the boot time of slackware? [16:55] campassi, yes, its called Camarade_Tux [16:55] Camarade_Tux help! [16:55] campassi, just clarify me something [16:55] why the hell u want a fast boot , cant u handle a couple of secs ? [16:56] i can't handle 2 minutes on a laptop, when ubuntu boots in about 20. sry [16:56] *20 seconds [16:56] reduce the timeout in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [16:56] slack take 2 minutes ? [16:56] yeah.. it's stupidly slow [16:56] slackware's init system is simply slow, there isn't a way around it. there are alot of calls that happen in succession [16:56] helps a lot when you're not wired [16:57] be focused on boot msgs , some service or whatever might be timming out [16:57] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:57] thrice`: if you don't have a dhcp server on the network, a 30s timeout is just painful ;) [16:57] 2 minutes seems a little long, but you surely won't hit 20 seconds [16:57] yep, dhcp timeout is pretty high on default [16:57] thrice`: right, if you start, you get better than that ;) [16:57] yeah, that's what's doing it [16:58] My Slackware64 desktop boots in roughly 20 seconds from LILO prompt to login [16:58] I found something like 8 was a good timeout for me [16:58] my ancient laptop loads in just under a minute, compared to ubuntu's 3 :S [16:58] If your PC needs a lot more it may be due to wireless card trying to associate and failing? [16:58] campassi, hope u dont choose ubuntu for slackware , because boot time :^) [16:59] thrice`, the default is pretty slow but you can get fast boot times if you tune it [16:59] i'm using it right now because the printer works. XD [16:59] my printer goes crazy in slack... [16:59] cups ? [16:59] i'm not sure. haven't had time to disect the problem. [16:59] just load the right ppd on cups , and it should be ok [17:00] i tried several. even the official one from the HP website [17:00] still printed happy faces, etc [17:00] heh, I used to have trouble setting up uni servers on my slack laptop. but at the end of the semester all other couldnt access them anymore but me ^-^ [17:00] campassi, just replicate the cups settings from ubuntu [17:01] yeah.. i need to copy the xorg as well [17:01] s/uni servers/uni printers [17:01] xorg.conf that is [17:01] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-198.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:01] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:02] thrice`: did you do antyhing special with xf86-video-intel-2.8? [17:04] i'll say one thing though. slack64 produced the best graphics the machine has ever seen. (urban terror) [17:04] *this machine [17:04] whoa [17:05] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-223-127.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:05] homeworld 2 got platinum on wine [17:05] campassi: which graphics chip? [17:05] nvidia 8600 [17:06] ah, that doesnt count :P [17:06] hah, why not [17:06] binary-and-not-invented-here [17:06] hmm [17:06] the same binary doesn't produce the same graphics in ubuntu.. [17:06] that is a given... [17:06] good night eb [17:06] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-166-65.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware ("Quitte"). [17:06] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [17:07] nubibuntu is made by nubibuntards :P [17:07] is it really? [17:07] y0 macavity [17:07] no wonder the shit breaks all the time. it gets old... [17:07] macavity, how ya doin [17:07] i've never had slackware "break" on me. i've just had it not work in the first place. :-p [17:08] ok.. latest xorg-server update severly broke my box [17:08] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] i am still investigating exactly what went wrong [17:08] you know you've spent really too much time playing robots when you can't even the leading board anymore... [17:08] s/the/your/ [17:08] slackytude2: all cool.. and you? [17:08] macavity, doing fine ^-^ [17:08] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:09] is debian made by `tards macavity? [17:09] Camarade_Tux, robots? [17:09] Camarade_Tux you need to rebuild that comment [17:09] campassi, nope, it's made by Debianites. :P [17:09] campassi: no [17:09] campassi: debian is made by rather skilled people with a whackey idea of usability :P [17:09] slackytude2: bsd-games! [17:09] greetings macavity [17:10] heh [17:10] debian has always been good to me... just a bit... bloated [17:10] Camarade_Tux, ah [17:10] campassi: but the nubibuntards seems to be exceptionally skilled at breaking a stable distribution beyond repair [17:10] fire|bird: yow yow yow :P [17:10] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:11] :) [17:11] campassi: oh, i dont care that they use --enable-everything-in-sight-and-most-things-not-in-sight-too... i just *hate* when the package manager freaks out because it finds out that i actually edited a configuration file by hand [17:11] for slackbuilds its slackbuild.org and for pkgtool its http://packages.slackware.it/ ? [17:12] macavity, or worse, deletes your config!! [17:12] campassi: exactly [17:12] budo: the two tools are unrelated [17:12] right [17:12] does that alot... especially /boot/grub/menu.lst. it doesnt last very long [17:12] the second website i run pkgtool ? [17:12] budo: sbopkg automatic tool for slackbuilds.org and slackpkg is automatic tool for slackware.com [17:12] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.65.135) joined ##slackware. [17:12] pkgtool can not connect to web sites Bugz [17:12] pkgtool can not connect to web sites Budo [17:13] right. i download it first [17:13] budo: use slackpkg instead [17:13] There is no real need to use pkgtool if you want to install or upgrade packages [17:13] macavity, you gonna love suse [17:13] slackytude2: i highly doubt it...... [17:13] I recommend slackpkg as well [17:14] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:14] macavity, yast really hates it if you do anyhing without it [17:14] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [17:14] sues, redhat, debian, canonical, they all built a distro around their own concepts of usability. So does Slackware. To each their own. None are better or worse really [17:15] ubuntu is mild against that [17:15] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host138-70-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:15] Apart from Slackware which is the best of course [17:15] heh [17:15] slackytude2: you mean yast completely crashes and uses insane amounts of memory? nah, I can't believe it ;p [17:16] good evening [17:16] she like the way i rock , the way i rock [17:16] I tried to get a ISDN card working in suse some years back. I naturally did it by hand with modprobe and stuff since yast couldnt do it. and the next time yast ran it overwrote everything again :( [17:17] slackytude2: that's the concept behind yast indeed :-) [17:17] aye [17:17] http://www.helenkellersimulator.com/ LOL, everyone look at the source of the webpage. [17:17] making the generic way stop working in favor of a distro specific home brew we-sadomize-at-random tool is, inarguabley, a stupid idea [17:17] DIXI [17:18] Action: macavity has spoken :P [17:18] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:18] macavity: that is not true per se [17:18] agentc0re|work, cant get the joke apart of bad html programming [17:18] But that is my opinion [17:18] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:18] Wiren (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: [17:19] More than 50% of you harbour Helicobacter pylori. [17:19] what about HML ? ( Hannah Montana Linux ) distro ? :) [17:19] O_o [17:19] im not joking, it exists [17:19] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat073.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:20] just googled it [17:20] http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html [17:20] yep [17:20] thats sad [17:20] yeap it has preset color bias to max to make Hanna montana telediscs cute ^_^ [17:21] whoever came up with that idea *seriously* needs to get laid. [17:21] br00tal (n=jesse@host-177-156-2-96.midco.net) joined ##slackware. [17:21] whatever it takes to get girls from 9 thru 14 away from windows ;p [17:22] BP{k}, ++ [17:22] I think I'm switching [17:22] Pig_Pen, the end doesnt justify the means [17:22] its just ubuntu under the hood [17:22] slackytude2: lots of things happened while you weren't there ;) [17:22] Action: slackytude2 nods [17:23] Camarade_Tux, still waiting for my t-shirt [17:23] BP{k}: according to the text on the webpage, must be a 14-yo girl ;p [17:23] HML is like a fugly chick getting a really great boob job. [17:23] a 14-year old girl did that? [17:24] who cares if some girls got a HML distro, its just Linux with H.M. branding [17:24] slackytude2: oh, that one, do you want me to wash it before I send it to you? I mitm'ed it :whistl:e [17:24] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:24] slackytude2: have you read anything on the website? ;) [17:24] Camarade_Tux, nah, I cant stand the colors [17:24] can we PLEASE humanely euthanize the lead developer of HML? [17:24] ... i have a hollow point .45 slug that i dont particularly need at the moment [17:25] !wtf hml [17:25] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [17:25] slackytude2: right, maybe not 14-yo "it`s not vulnerable to Windows virus`s and linux are rare because you have to give them permission to do damage ." [17:25] maybe less... [17:25] http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Song.html [17:25] great stuff [17:25] oh, ha ha, I did hear about that [17:25] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-223-127.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [17:25] back logo for the back of your computer: http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Downloads_files/back_logo.png ;p [17:25] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [17:26] thrice`: did you do anything special with intel-2.8? [17:26] lol @ back logo [17:26] macavity: I have a ruger that would fit in nicely! :D [17:26] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [17:26] this is awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgS9dxQnJxc [17:26] nope, just stuck it in src/driver, and did ./x11.SlackBuild driver xf86-video-intel [17:26] the people screaming in the background "aaahhhHHh" [17:26] dont be the mean big brother to the little girl's distro ;p [17:26] awwww i block youtube.. [17:26] what is it? [17:26] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [17:26] Action: macavity kisses thrice` [17:27] a transformer arcing and then exploding [17:27] http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/FAQ.html but it's a mix of 10-yo and technical terms, it's too weird... [17:27] huge fireball and people screaming [17:27] jpablobr (n=xjpablob@201.198.116.190) joined ##slackware. [17:27] jpablobr (n=xjpablob@201.198.116.190) left ##slackware. [17:27] or it's maybe a 30-yo nerdy girl who has been exposed to hannah montana and recessed to that point [17:27] macavity: <3 [17:28] Camarade_Tux: LOL i was just reading that. [17:28] I got a mate who does high power stress testing. [17:28] he explodes transformers for monies! [17:28] agentc0re|work: so you also just lost faith in humanity? [17:28] That happened a long time ago. [17:29] Action: Camarade_Tux just looked at the "Song" page... [17:29] It was amplified when i watched Idiocracy and realized that's the path we're going down. [17:29] its a great song [17:29] y0 agentc0re|work [17:29] Camarade_Tux: I couldn't read past the first 10 lines. [17:29] agentc0re|work: even in nice little girls? [17:29] fire|bird: Sup dude. [17:29] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:29] Camarade_Tux, How do you install stuff, hannah-get? [17:29] lol [17:29] Camarade_Tux: .... thats what she said.... [17:29] hannah-get [17:29] No! [17:29] agentc0re|work: I stopped at the second word, I thought I would probably have nightmares otherwise [17:29] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [17:30] sudo hannah-get [17:30] agentc0re|work, not much here, you? [17:30] still at work. [17:30] [ in bed ] [17:30] Just got back from a Pub though. [17:30] agentc0re|work: he :P [17:30] agentc0re, Idiocracy looks good [17:30] eviljames: I feel dirty saying... [17:30] slackytude2: It is. [17:30] fire|bird: nah, 'get hannah out-of-this-computer' :) [17:31] err saying that. [17:31] Idiocracy is a near-term prediction of the future set in the distant future. [17:31] slackytude2, c'mon, it's hannah montana linux, there is no security measures. :P [17:31] Camarade_Tux, haha [17:31] sudo make me a sandwich [17:31] fire|bird: It is built specifically in mind for Pedo's tracking little girls. [17:31] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:32] fire|bird: hahaha: imagine a hacker getting into the box: "ah, my eyes, unplug the cable, quick!", that's the best kind of security measures, nobody wants to have anything to do with such a box ;) [17:32] I hear the DOD runs HML server exclusivly [17:32] Camarade_Tux, hahaha, true. They'd get hacked in and say "OMG, WHAT THE.....IS THIS?" [17:32] Camarade_Tux: I thought that's why there was ubuntu christian edition. [17:32] Camarade_Tux: Unless your a PEDO! Come on, think about it.. [17:32] slackytude2: your sandwich is ready in C:\WInDowS\SySTEm32\sandwich.food.exe [17:32] Camarade_Tux, they'd think they hacked into disney.com [17:33] eviljames: haha, have you seen the satan/metal edition? ;) [17:33] Camarade_Tux, whee! [17:33] its like millions of little girls were screaming and were suddenly silenced ;p [17:34] i use to work as sysadmin for disney... we had on average identifable 275 breaches daily [17:34] ... this has taken a bad direction ... [17:34] wsp4th, heh [17:34] wsp4th: lol :p [17:34] slackytude2, careful, you don't know what is contained in that .exe file. ;) [17:34] wsp4th: ... wow. [17:34] wsp4th, what did you run? [17:34] fire|bird, its a tasty sandwich! [17:35] slackytude2, yeah, until you suffer the consequences later and have to run a course of anti-virus meds. :P [17:35] thrice`: ok.. lets see if also need to update the kernel drm to get this thing flying agian :P [17:35] they have a hodge podge of Solaris, AIX, HP/UX, RedHat, Suse, and Windows [17:35] Action: macavity holds breath [17:35] Action: fire|bird macavity turns blue. [17:35] xen is cool i guess [17:35] anyone here use xen ? [17:35] i want to set up 4 slacks on 1 server [17:36] sandwich.food.exe taking control over slackytude2, good [17:36] in the orlando datacenter ther is approx 1200windows server 500suse/redhat server 200hpux/solaris/aix servers [17:36] must suck to be the owner of that car http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_jLmAB3leA [17:36] fire|bird: that is "/me watches as macavity turns blue" ;-) [17:36] Camarade_Tux, oh noes! [17:36] wsp4th, nifty stuff [17:36] saw that last year [17:37] antiwire, you use xen ? [17:37] macavity, bah, you are correct sir. Thanks. :) [17:37] its the 2nd largest data enviroment i have worked in [17:37] jeev: no sir, KVM [17:37] hmm [17:37] AT&T has the largest that i have worked for [17:37] slackytude2: it's a rootkit, you're not meant to notice it :) [17:37] i did a netcraft check on the local college in my home town, they run SCO unix, http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.ecok.edu [17:37] wsp4th: did you work in the secret NSA black room? [17:38] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] jeev: I use Xen. [17:38] Pig_Pen: nice :p [17:38] no [17:38] wsp4th: you know, the ones that use the prism splitters on the fibre optic lines to make copies of all data to/from the internet worldwide?! [17:38] Action: eviljames reads too much prisonplanet [17:39] Pig_Pen: SCO??? Evil! [17:39] Pig_Pen: I've *never* seen that many open ports on any computer! [17:39] josefig (n=josefig@200.77.73.172) joined ##slackware. [17:39] "5500/tcp open hotline" \o/ :p [17:39] vandalize their website [17:40] remember a few years ago there was a website that kept archived copies of vandalized website, some were quite funny [17:40] websites )plural [17:41] oh noes! almost midnight [17:41] Pig_Pen: remember the link? [17:41] evil: not that i know of... btw my whois may show NSA but its not the NSA your thinking of... this is a small company in Collierville, TN [17:41] slackytude2: Where are you? [17:41] ok.. i did NOT expect the latest intel kernel patches to be 392MB?!? [17:41] germany [17:41] let me think about it for a minute, i will remember soon [17:41] slackytude2: don't forget to lose your shoe! [17:41] macavity: ^^ [17:41] macavity: ?!?! plz to explain be uu????!!!! [17:41] Camarade_Tux, huh? [17:41] macavity, holy file size batman. [17:41] attrition.org maybe [17:41] slackytude2: cendrillon [17:42] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: "leaving" [17:42] slackytude2: or Aschenputtel ;) [17:42] macavity: Did you make anymore lolcatz? [17:42] Camarade_Tux, ahhh [17:42] go to http://intellinuxgraphics.org/2009Q2.html [17:42] I could also have managed to say Cinderella [17:42] Camarade_Tux, impressive :P [17:42] find "Kernel: drm-intel-2.6.30 branch d2a55f12b2425ed1febb9e29e10bb405b91aa8dd (virtually 2.6.30.1 + 8 additional patches)" [17:42] Action: Camarade_Tux changes directory and starts listening to Cinderella [17:43] macavity: work? [17:43] i guess i have to install xen over slackware [17:43] click on the d2a55f12..... [17:43] thrice`: on it.. waiting for that download to finish.. [17:43] aah, ok ;) [17:43] thrice`: how the *hell* can kernel-intel-2009q2.tar.bz2 be 392MB? [17:44] its a trap! [17:44] that's not what you're downloading, is it? [17:44] macavity: bzip2 with compression=0? ;) [17:44] uhm yes.. that oo [17:44] *too [17:44] what for? :) [17:44] i figured i would like to patch my kernel before i went complain [17:44] ah [17:44] (i dont expect this to work either) [17:45] nothing has worked since xorg-server-1.6.1 + intel-2.7.1 + mesa-7.4.4 + kernel .30 + specify UXA in xorg.conf and no KMS [17:46] that is, to date, the only combo i have found that will let me run both composite and Xv at the same time at a usable performance [17:46] at you have X working at all.... [17:47] I think, macavity, that I can duplicate your result. [17:47] my server with the 865G won't even work at all anymore [17:47] it's running -current too [17:47] antiwire: looks like 2.8.0 might fix that for you. [17:47] I hope so [17:48] well guys goodnight... headed home... see yall on the flip side [17:48] wsp4th (n=wsp4th@208.88.85.160) left irc: "There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those that understand binary and those that don't." [17:49] eviljames: do you have a link to that xf86 driver mirror? [17:49] I'll built it and give it a shot [17:50] x.org [17:50] k [17:51] Action: macavity wants 10GB of space on a high bandwidth ftp server and control over user accounts for christmas [17:51] antiwire: I was looking at intellinuxgraphics.org/2009Q2.html [17:51] .. that would make it *so* much easier for us to colaborate [17:52] antiwire: http://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/individual/driver/xf86-video-intel-2.8.0.tar.bz2 Requires xserver 1.6.2, libdrm >= 2.4.11 [17:52] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:52] i am really not fond on the idea that 2.8 requires 1.6.1 :-/ [17:52] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-131-191.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:52] it also kills EXA, XAA accel and DRI1 [17:52] this is a mess [17:53] 13 isn't going to have working X for my system. [17:53] not even the VESA driver works anymore [17:53] antiwire: 13.0-stable is not out yet.... [17:53] I'd think that these issues would need ironing out before we see a 13. [17:53] ...which is why i said "isn't" [17:53] as in future tense [17:54] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [17:54] eviljames: yes [17:54] Hey, while you're peering into that crystal ball, who is going to win at the horseraces on Saturday? I'd like to place my bets early. [17:54] eviljames: and i have the idea that "upstream" actually know of our perrils [17:54] well the changelog said more more major changes [17:54] manwich-work (n=tjones@174-159-3-188.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:54] wouldn't an xserver bump constitute a major change? [17:55] antiwire: major changes == glibc/kernel/tool chain/ [17:55] this is pretty much what 13 will likely ship with. xorg is just now starting to change majorly, with mesa being re-written [17:55] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-128-207.aei.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:56] thrice`: i hope the drm stuff is going to get pack ported to the .29 series.. afaik SuSE and some others are using it for enterprise kernels [17:56] right so if it ships this way my server gets no X and kittens cry [17:56] antiwire: if it does ship this way, we will make packages JUST for you :P [17:57] what else can be done, though? wait another year to release? [17:57] FORK! [17:57] err. [17:57] thrice`: uhm, we *could* wait and bump the kernel [17:58] thrice`: so that KMS will work by default.. that is supposedly what does the trick for people (from what i hear) [17:58] macavity: what for? Pat already patched the goodies from 2.6.30.x [17:58] grazymax (n=grazymax@host169-154-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:58] wow.. i didnt notice that [17:58] Action: macavity looks at the recent kernel builds [17:58] well, to fix all of the tiling issues [17:59] nice nice nice.. then odds are we get the entire package for intel [17:59] the big question is whatever we get mesa 7.5 [17:59] no clue; I've been considering trying 2.6.31 [17:59] but hell... i can live with rolling my own there [17:59] Action: slackytude2 needs to sleep :( [18:00] thrice`: i did.. it totally fucked up all the input stuff [18:00] thrice`: I'm going to move to 2.6.31 as soon as it hits stable status [18:00] see ya in 8 hours or so [18:00] thrice`: eg, every keyboard stroke was repeated three times [18:00] later slackytude2 [18:00] antiwire: aah, come on, rc3 is good enough ;) [18:00] lol [18:00] macavity: haha, nice ;) [18:00] Action: slackytude2 waves [18:00] slackytude2: l8r dude [18:00] thrice`: it looks like evedev is borked [18:00] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p54A74991.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "sleep" [18:01] thrice`: have you set up XvMC support yet? [18:02] Doesn't the intel changelog state that XvMC is disabled? [18:02] only for 915 chips [18:02] macavity: nope, never tried :( btw, which .31 did you try? [18:02] I'm building xf86-video-intel-2.8.0.tar.xz right now [18:02] thrice`: rc1 i think [18:03] ah, ok [18:03] eviljames: from the TODO: "XvMC is disabled on 915G/GM." [18:04] fawcao (n=fawcao@201.38.18.147) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:06] ok.. here we go [18:06] allend (n=allend@CPE-138-217-150-19.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [18:06] macavity (n=macavity@4308ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:06] Nick change: TClayton_ -> TClayton [18:06] macavity (n=macavity@4308ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:06] ok.. at least it didnt crash my X :P [18:07] :) [18:07] did you try new mesa yet? I'd guess that is your best bet, since 7.4 kind of got abandoned [18:07] macavity (n=macavity@4308ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Client Quit [18:08] macavity (n=macavity@4308ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:08] ... but trying to enable KDE effects did *not* exit cleanly :-/ [18:08] I'm about to test 2.8.0 too [18:08] Action: macavity is on the verge of getting very very frustrated [18:08] tried mesa ? [18:09] macavity: dude, at least you have X at all [18:09] 7.4 was a pretty bad release in general [18:09] thrice`: 7.5 according to your recipie [18:09] and glxgears works as adverticed after that [18:09] ah, ok [18:09] walmartshopper (n=walmarts@cpe-67-49-213-45.bak.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:10] macavity: are you reporting success? [18:10] no [18:10] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:10] i am reporting "still not as good as before Patrick upddated to 1.6.2" [18:10] macavity: mesa 7.5 libdrm 2.4.12(?) xserver 1.6.2 & intel-2.8 ? [18:11] oh poop on a shingle. [18:11] eviljames: i havent updated libdrm yet [18:11] well it made it past the KDE start screen this time [18:11] slow a hell though [18:11] half crashing i think [18:12] yep locked up [18:12] eviljames: but first i want to check out what kernel patches Pat applies to the stock kernels, then figure out what i need to patch on my own [18:14] macavity: 2.6.30, too? [18:14] AbsTradE1ic (n=vldmr@189.87.98.89) joined ##slackware. [18:15] thrice`: yes [18:15] what the fsck.. what i downloaded from the intel site was not just the patches... it was an entire freaking kernel [18:15] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:16] is 2.6.30 being released for slack soon? [18:17] fawcao (n=fawcao@201.38.18.147) joined ##slackware. [18:17] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.14) left irc: [18:17] campassi: unless there is some *serious* reason to, i doubt Patrick will bump kernels at this point [18:18] I thought .30 was in extra/ ? [18:18] ah, ok. thanks for the info mecavity [18:20] eviljames: it might be.. didnt check [18:20] campassi: but then again.. you never know :P [18:20] we can always hope [18:21] thrice`: where does Pat stick libdrm? it isnt in src/lib/ [18:21] in ../.. [18:21] roger [18:22] v4nelle (n=van@78-104-203.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:22] van (n=van@78-104-203.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:22] v4nelle (n=van@78-104-203.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:23] whats the difference between get and wget? [18:24] i dont have any "get" on my system [18:24] ditto [18:25] however, in the ftp(1) shell there is a get command [18:25] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: Client Quit [18:25] there is a git but it is not like wget [18:25] which, in its own kinda way, works like wget [18:25] hmm well that's kind of cool [18:26] didn't realize X had a composition program for basic stuff anyhow [18:26] and that it was included in slackware [18:26] xcompmgr [18:26] it's good enough to make gnome-do docky work properly :) [18:26] I need to setup compiz since I have the video card to do it [18:26] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:27] slackfan (n=meine@M0316.m.pppool.de) joined ##slackware. [18:28] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:29] you guys ever use frugalware? [18:30] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:30] t4k3r0n_ (n=takeron@189.186.36.140) joined ##slackware. [18:31] nv4Phil (n=phil@adsl-178-161-97.pns.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [18:31] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:31] i use slackware 99.9999999% of the time the other percent of the time i might fiddle with a live CD or some BSD flavor [18:32] slackfan (n=meine@M0316.m.pppool.de) left ##slackware. [18:32] beatzz (n=sheep@97-115-178-133.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:33] antiwire: i belive the patch-against-30.1 thingie from intellinuxgraphics has a fix for your problem... [18:34] nick4 (n=dj4@adsl255-149.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:35] If I'm using Linux, it is always Slackware. [18:35] So, no, I haven't used frugalware. [18:35] (Except for my brief love affair with slamd64, of course) [18:36] There is a certain facility I want from a deamon that requires Linux-PAM. I am a bit reluctant to go for PAM because it's not shipped by default, so I need your opinion: a reassurence or a big red "NO!" :P [18:36] (the deamon is shiped with Slackware of course) [18:37] nick4: installing PAM on Slackware is non-trivial and requires several system packages to be recompiled [18:37] nick4: in short: NO (unless you know what you are doing.. for real) [18:37] nick4: it's do able, I have done it [18:38] I got my answer :) [18:38] nick4: you need to really understand PAM and the way the system works with it though [18:38] I would rather not dwelve in PAM at this time [18:38] PAM is, imho, a bloody mess [18:39] I am actually trying to setup virtual users for vsftpd. The alternative is with SQL, and I have no idea of setting up SQL. [18:39] thrice`: ok, let's see what 30.1 + the intel patches can do about this [18:39] I guess a different deamon or I will simply settle for typical user accounts [18:39] Action: thrice` crosses his fingers [18:40] it's only a bloody mess if you don't setup your implementation to use one or the other type of PAM configs [18:40] if you mix them..you get a mess [18:40] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:40] thrice`: if this doesnt fix it i will try latest libdrm, and recompile xorg-1.6.2 against those and mesa-7.5 [18:40] thrice`: and if that doesnt work.. i will start creating downgrades :P [18:40] :) [18:40] antiwire: my implementation of what? [18:41] macavity: oh, I just remembered you! Slack works fine now. The HDD is okey (WD tools said so). I just re-partitioned the drive and re-installed both OSes. [18:41] nick4: good :-) [18:42] ;) [18:42] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:42] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] thrice`: btw, do you compile drm/i915/i965 into the kernel? [18:43] thrice`: and, do you use vga=normal? [18:43] macavity: I'm currently on Pat's kernel, with vga=872 [18:43] _cjo_ (n=d8bf7403@baconfile.com) joined ##slackware. [18:43] thrice`: and modeset=1? [18:44] nope, I haven't bothered with KMS on 2.6.29.x [18:44] This is a question for everyone feeling like answering. Is it a big deal using typical accounts to give people FTP access? sshd is running but allows logging in only with a key and only my user account has a key. No root logins allowed. [18:44] just UXA [18:44] (Oh and the FTP accounts have /bin/test as a shell :P) [18:45] nick4: FTP usernames & passwords are sent over the wire cleartext. [18:45] nick4: that is how i do it too [18:45] eviljames: yes I know about the usernames and passwords. Point is, can you see something bad about it? [18:46] macavity: out of curiocity, which ftpd do you use? [18:46] nick4: btw, i belive you should set the shell to /bin/false [18:46] oh, yes [18:46] andrew_46 (n=andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew46) joined ##slackware. [18:46] nick4: vsftpd [18:46] same :) [18:46] nick4: As long as you're aware of that it is your choice to run ftp or not. I choose to never use it - others use it. [18:46] started via inted [18:47] nick4: however, ssh automatically gives you sftp unless you explicitly turn it off [18:47] Hmmm... Now you got me into thinking macavity [18:48] nv4Phil (n=phil@adsl-178-161-97.pns.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:48] These are Windows users and IE has an intergraded FTP client. But some of them are tech-savvy enough to use WinSCP. *Ponders* [18:48] the IE ftp client *sucks* [18:49] macavity: actually, I haven't managed to make it work myself :/ [18:49] eg, if you close the main window while it is still transfering, sometimes it just drops the copy for no apparent reason [18:49] ohhhh, nice :P [18:49] how do I tell that thing to use a username and password? [18:50] nv4Phil (n=phil@adsl-178-161-97.pns.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] Nick change: wulfmax -> wulfmax_ [18:50] nick4: ftp://username:password@hostname.net/dir/dir [18:50] great! [18:50] nick4: or just username@ and it will ask for password [18:50] yes [18:51] thank you :) [18:51] nick4: .. so you dont have the password in cleartext in the browser history [18:51] yes [18:53] macavity: I just read again what you wrote above. Just by running sshd, I can use (the latest) Filezilla and connect to the home dir of a user? No WinSCP required? [18:53] wulfmax_ (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [18:53] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] nick4: i dont know *squat* about windows apps [18:53] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.159.33) left irc: Connection timed out [18:54] nick4: i just know that if you run sshd you have sftp if you didnt turn it off explicitly [18:54] okey. Filezilla can run on Linux too though :Pp [18:54] I haven't turned it of. Okey, time to test this. [18:55] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-193-140.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:55] What command do I need to tweak a user's data (password, phone number, etc) without logging in as the user himself? [18:55] apparently i am wrong... [18:56] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151138048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:57] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleep" [18:57] nope.. sftp://localhost just didnt work.. [18:58] but 127.0.0.1 and my "real" IP address works [18:58] that's okey :) [18:58] what is filezilla? [18:58] oh... sftp://127.0.0.1 works but sftp://localhost doesn't? Is that what you are saying? [18:58] is filezilla as good as konqueror or firefly? [18:59] ok.. lets see if THIS fixes it [18:59] brb [18:59] macavity (n=macavity@4308ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [19:00] dchmelik: I don't know as I have never used konqueror (as an ftp client) or firefly. I am quite satisfied from Filezilla. Beein using it on Linux and Windows for 2 years [19:00] on Linux, it's a GTK app [19:00] if you google "filezilla", you will get to the website [19:04] andrew_46 (n=andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew46) left irc: "leaving" [19:05] van (n=van@78-104-203.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:06] Tirili (n=opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) joined ##slackware. [19:06] Opera is missing a feature that seems it would be easy to implement as in the ability to right click a bookmark in the bookmark menu and "deleting" it [19:07] Earthquake at Washington, District of Columbia, this Thursday, soon, after of storms and thunders. Rev 16:18 [19:07] that is just stupid to leave that out imho. [19:07] have to open up the bookmark manager to delete a bookmark. [19:07] mini-rant over [19:07] dtanner: I missed that option too. [19:08] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.135.134) left irc: "Leaving." [19:08] Did you write to the opera desktop team? [19:08] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:08] nope [19:08] just noticed it [19:09] i like opera so far other than that. epiphany is becoming really good as of late also. [19:09] _cjo_ (n=d8bf7403@baconfile.com) left irc: [19:09] I'll try and write it to them. [19:10] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:10] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] i will compare mem/cpu usage between the most popular browsers soonish. as if it really matters with the powerful cpus and large amounts of ram nowadays unless they have very bad memory leaks. [19:11] just for kicks [19:11] I feel like my computers don't like noatun very much or a least noatun doesn't like my computers. It crashes whenever it can. Did you experience the same? [19:11] macavity (n=macavity@4308ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:12] lordsimian (n=lordsimi@144.38.70.37) left irc: "leaving" [19:12] thrice`: nope.. not the latest kernel patches nor latest libdrm fixes this... [19:12] Tirili: noatun has never worked for me, ever [19:12] macavity: well, last try, recompiled x-server quickly against it ? [19:12] I never use noatun [19:12] Tirili: for some retarded reason it's set as the preferred application when opening some files (.avi comes to mind) [19:13] or mp3 at my machines. :S [19:13] It's stupid and should be removed from slackware altogether [19:13] I like amarok or rhythmbox for music management [19:13] Which programs do you use instead for mp3s? [19:13] ok [19:13] xmms [19:13] thrice`: running now [19:14] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-31-4.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:14] Tirili: amarok or mpd + ncmpc [19:14] for guis, mpg321 or ogg123 otherwise. and mplayer for an all around badass. [19:14] thrice`: however, i dont really have hight hopes [19:14] for guis == amarok or rhythmbox that is . the others for cli [19:14] Tirili: amarok is really good [19:15] yeah i think so too. [19:15] How do I change a user's password without logging in as that user? [19:15] macavity: I dont' get it; 1.6.2, and even mesa 7.5 were supposed to fix quite a few bugs, nothing really to regress with :\ [19:15] nick4: man passwd [19:15] oh, that one was it? thanks! [19:16] thrice`: i scratch my head too [19:16] nick4: become root and do 'passwd ' [19:16] dtanner, that right-click delete bookmark feature would be nice, but I think to some extent they left it out because if you have the bookmarks panel open, you can right click and delete from there. [19:16] v4nelle (n=van@78-104-203.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:16] okey got it [19:18] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:18] ok.. here goes nothing [19:18] macavity (n=macavity@4308ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:18] yht_ (n=yht@125.161.69.16) left irc: "I must go.." [19:20] macavity (n=macavity@4308ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:20] HUZZAAAAA!!! [19:20] Action: macavity jumps up and down [19:20] \o/ [19:20] thrice`: it *actually* woked! [19:20] :O [19:20] not.. IT! [19:20] omg! It woked? [19:20] damnit.. now i have to figure out *what* part did the trick [19:20] what worked? what worked?! [19:21] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:21] it woked up [19:21] macavity: ?! I'm psyched - this is intel-2.8? [19:21] don't ask, just dont' change :) [19:21] coz waz sleepz [19:22] josefig (n=josefig@200.77.73.172) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:22] kernel 30.1 + latest intel patches, mesa-7.5, libdrm-2.4.12, and recompile xorg-server agianst that (dont forget to keep the mesa sources in /tmp and udate x11.SlackBuild accordingly) [19:22] time to bisect [19:22] macavity: intel-2.7 or 2.8? [19:22] macavity: I'd try a non-hacked kernel too [19:22] eviljames: errr.. 2.8 [19:22] thrice`: on it [19:23] Action: eviljames gets excited. [19:23] mesa 7.5 + intel 2.8 is good here too [19:23] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-3.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:23] macavity, 945gm or other? [19:23] thrice`: recompiled xorg? [19:23] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [19:23] that kernel patch fails to apply [19:23] i_is_cat: 945GM baby [19:23] I compiled mesa, x-server, then intel [19:23] that is what im using right now [19:24] it's only one hunk too and the sole hunk fails [19:24] ive got the 2.7.99.901 installed and can get like 197fps in glxgears max [19:24] i_is_cat: i get 500fps with composite enabled [19:25] macavity: how did you enabled only specific users to use vsftpd? I keep denying them in /etc/ftpusers but the denying doesn't work and besides it's better to allow a few than deny most [19:25] but things seem a bit screwy.. like ctrl+alt+f4 and other f* keys will cause the x windows on f7 and f8 to go black and stay that way when i try to go back to them [19:25] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [19:25] i have composite enabled.. [19:25] but you're talking with the new setup right..? [19:26] i_is_cat: oh, your luckey.. i have not been able to run composite since the switch to xorg 1.6.2 [19:26] i_is_cat: these are experiments with xf86-video-intel-2.8.0 (well, with various other things too, but the success is now seen..) [19:26] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [19:27] i couldnt find a 2.8.0 all i could find was the 2.7.99.901 :/ [19:27] it's not in -current [19:28] i_is_cat: these are all (iirc) less than 1 week old. [19:28] this is the one I was talking about, it won't even apply 2.6.29.x-intel-crash-patch.diff [19:28] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:28] hmm [19:28] allend (n=allend@CPE-138-217-150-19.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [19:29] ok, i can play 720p video with a transparent yakuake pulled over it, and spin the desktop cube, and things are still performing nicely [19:30] im gonna try and upgrade and see what happens [19:30] at about 40% on one of the cores [19:30] i cant even get a cube for some stupid ass reason [19:30] nick4: i honnestly dont remember [19:31] OH NO. THERE HAS BEEN ANOTHER CELEBRITY DEATH. [19:31] nick4: i am at my laptop right now [19:31] eviljames: we got rid of Dame Edna? [19:31] THE CHIHUAHUA FROM THE TACO BELL COMMERCIALS. [19:31] LOL [19:31] LOL [19:31] YO QUERO TACO BELL MY LITTLE FRIEND! YO QUERO TACO BELL. [19:31] damn :\ [19:31] dont say taco.. now i am hungry you evil bastard :P [19:31] I ate him as taco meat [19:32] nomnomnom [19:32] v4nelle (n=van@78-104-203.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [19:32] Action: eviljames slaps jeev [19:32] Just trying to manipulate the stats a little more. [19:32] In theory when I'm done, Jeev will be the most slapped person on the stats page. [19:33] Woot! Stat manipulation complete: http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_stats2/ [19:33] Action: antiwire slaps jeev with a large gordita [19:33] And I quote: "Poor jeev, nobody likes him/her" [19:33] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:35] macavity: Anytime I hear tacos I think of one of the 3 south park episodes I've ever seen.. Where Cartman's hand is Jennifer Lopez. [19:35] "My taco flavoured kisses" <- I chuckled. [19:35] macavity: well, let me know if you try Pat's .29; still curious if .31 is worth it :> [19:36] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@d92-156.icpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:37] okey macavity [19:37] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [19:37] thrice`: let me undo the modeset thing and try a pat v kernel... [19:37] macavity (n=macavity@4308ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [19:38] Hello. [19:38] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.12.209) joined ##slackware. [19:38] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:41] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.43.233) joined ##slackware. [19:41] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-57-88.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [19:42] josefig (n=josefig@200.77.73.172) joined ##slackware. [19:42] noisesinmyhead (i=hadriel@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:44] macavity (n=macavity@4308ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:45] thrice`: nope.. 2.8 and .6.29.x kernels do not play nice [19:45] 2.8 kernel??? [19:45] thrice`: that is, composite works after i recompiled xorg against new mesa, but it is dog slow [19:45] aha - that must be the ticket. I'm guessing your patches made their way into .31, so that is a good sign [19:45] thrice`: if i enable KMS i get 16bpp [19:46] campassi: intel 2.8 [19:46] noisesinmyhead (i=hadriel@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:47] thrice`: my 100% success story is: update mesa and libdrm, patch .30.1 with the stuff from the intellinuxgraphics (8 patches in all) and recompile xorg against all of that [19:47] seems like great results, too :) [19:48] oh yes [19:49] dtanner: I wrote a quick feature request to the opera desktop team. [19:49] Tirili: did you submited via e-mail or web form? (I am only curious) [19:51] thrice`: only thing i need to check now is if mesa-7.5 + xorg recompile will play nice with 2.7.1 on a Pat V kernel [19:51] thrice`: that *would* be nice :P [19:51] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:52] nick4: Via a pm at my.opera.com (wanted to register there anyway) [19:52] digg (n=digg@adsl-98-124-192-81.adsl.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [19:52] how to install vlc on slackware 12.2 [19:53] josefig (n=josefig@200.77.73.172) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:53] macavity (n=macavity@4308ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:53] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [19:53] installpkg package.tgz [19:54] wich package provides libqt-mt.so.3 ? [19:54] digg: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-slackware.html [19:54] http://www.slackware.org.uk/people/alien/slackbuilds/vlc/pkg/12.2/ [19:55] Ignacio_ (n=Ignacio@190.51.2.51) joined ##slackware. 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[19:57] thrice`: nope [19:57] thank superGear and gabriel [19:57] thrice`: Pat kernel, intel 2.7.1, mesa 7.5 and recompiled xorg does *not* perform well with UXA [19:57] gabriel: that is the qt library from qt3 [19:58] thrice`: no matter what i do with xorg-1.6.1 i get "(WW) intel(0): [DRI2] Version 1 API (broken front buffer rendering)" [19:58] he's using 12.2 [19:58] thrice`: err.. 1.6.2 and 2.7.1 :P [19:58] thrice`: so, i wont bother investigating this any more, and just revert to what i know works :P [19:58] yup, qt-3.3.8 is part of a standard 12.2 install [19:59] budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:59] macavity (n=macavity@4308ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Client Quit [20:01] i see [20:01] in extra dir [20:03] paissad (n=paissad@85.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:04] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:04] paissad (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [20:05] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [20:07] 'ello. I asked a few days ago about a fun little issue I'm having on my Inspiron 9400, relatively recent install of 12.2. Randomly, out of nowhere on occasion (not particularly often, but annoying nonetheless), little lappy decides to go to sleep (suspend) without warning. It wakes back up without a problem. [20:08] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-57-88.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:08] Ignacio_ (n=Ignacio@190.51.2.51) joined ##slackware. [20:08] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.2.51) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:08] Nick change: Ignacio_ -> nachox [20:09] The advice at the time was to keep an eye on the system logs, and I'd like to post what just came up after the last narcoleptic episode. I can't remember the website that you can post to and bring back a link so it doesn't flood the channel. [20:09] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:10] digg (n=digg@adsl-98-124-192-81.adsl.iam.net.ma) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:10] genericFlounder1: disable suspend in the BIOS if you want to prevent it from going in to suspend [20:12] Pig_Pen, I suppose the problem with that would be the elimination of suspend all together. Suspend works properly and without whining when I tell it to, including closing the lid. ACPI seems happy with all that. [20:12] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:12] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:13] I'd like to keep my suspend if possible. It's this nasty little random habit that I'd like it to kick. [20:17] hehe. it's official. windows 7 is crackable. :D [20:18] microsoft has been producing crackable OSs since the early 1990s [20:18] yeah, they should just stop altogether so everyone can jump on the *nix train. [20:18] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [20:18] and start making, i dunno, mousepads or something. [20:20] Tirili (n=opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) left ##slackware. [20:21] i hope Torvalds refuses to include microsoft's kernel modules for that virtual machine, i dont want anything from microsoft on my PCs [20:23] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:24] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [20:24] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:24] Nick change: pizdets -> pizzledizzle [20:25] Pig_Pen, very mature [20:26] crackable? [20:26] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.36.140) joined ##slackware. [20:26] look at full disclosure or security focus...any OS is bustable [20:27] t4k3r0n_ (n=takeron@189.186.36.140) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:27] nachox: i have a right to decide what gets on my PCs [20:27] antiwire loves male cracks [20:27] yes, you do [20:27] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [20:29] genericFlounder1: pastebin.ca to post long stuff [20:31] speaking of breakable OSes [20:31] anyone running dd-wrt v24 SP1? [20:32] make sure you upgrade to recent revision or, at least for the time being, disable remote http interface access [20:32] you are in a state of extreme pwness right now if you don't [20:33] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:33] if your router/AP is a public AP or has hostile client that you know about you should be fearing them right now [20:35] ah, nice, a new flash vulnerability [20:36] not all versions of the firmware images have nc enabled in busybox so not all the setups will have the remote shell issue but there are still plenty of tools that the images have and can be used [20:37] but it is basically a full out internet or lan side root command execution flaw in the httpd under at least v24 SP1 [20:40] aha! thanks alisonken1church! and the moment i began typing this message it went to sleep again. [20:40] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] genericFlounder1: when it goes to sleep, is there a time range that you have not used the computer - ie, no mouse movement, no keyboard keypress ? [20:43] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:43] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [20:43] alisonken1church, nope - no specific time range. In fact, this past time it went to sleep while typing. [20:44] http://pastebin.ca/1503827 [20:44] went to sleep while typing, i think your laptop is a narcoleptic [20:46] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [20:47] Yeah... you should see it try and eat soup. This issue has never occurred in Ubuntu on my other partition so I'm assuming I either configured something incorrectly or perhaps failed to do so in some regard. [20:48] I do have laptop mode tools installed, but on AC I'm fairly certain it's inactive. [20:48] ...but I believe that more or less just deals with hard drive spin downs and the likes. [20:51] i have one old laptop and i disabled all that in the BIOS and did not bother to install apm or acpi software and did not even build apm or acpi in the kernel, but it is old junk i just use around the house [20:52] even with all that disabled and not installed the monitor still blanks and harddrive still spins down, i can hear it spin up when i load or refresh a webpage in the browser [20:53] ...but no suspend, correct? :P [20:53] no suspend [20:54] That's great on a minimal older junker but I'm particularly fond of sleepy time on my lappy. [20:55] that would come in handy if you take it with you a lot of places and i am guessing waking up from suspend is quicker and uses less battery than booting up [20:55] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [20:55] Quite right, very convenient in both regards. [20:55] nv4Phil (n=phil@adsl-178-161-97.pns.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:56] kb3rmq (n=casey@pool-71-253-3-131.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:57] In your case I see the nice simplicity involved not having it installed since it probably sits in either one or two spots. If the situation were the same for me I'd do as you did. [21:01] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [21:01] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:01] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [21:03] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: "Leaving" [21:08] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [21:08] someone with IPV6 could test this: telnet 2001:838:2:1:2a0:24ff:feab:3b53 6667 [21:08] thanks [21:08] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-136-194.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:25] Action: agentc0re stabs eviljames [21:25] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-26-69.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:25] gar0t0 (n=Tiago@189.110.75.247) joined ##slackware. [21:29] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-26-69.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:29] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-17-109.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:30] how goes it all? [21:30] Nick change: AbsTradE1ic -> AbsTradELic [21:30] macavity it seems has sorted out a way to achieve good performance with the next intel driver. [21:31] This bodes well. [21:31] eviljames: Today is my friday! \0/ [21:32] friday? [21:32] yup. [21:32] lucky bastid [21:32] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:32] yup yup [21:32] I always liked having my weekend during the week [21:32] we have this friday off because it's the mormons 4th of july. And i took tomorrow off to go on vacation. [21:33] 4 10hr days was the best schedule, sun+tues+weds off is a great combo. [21:34] Nick change: i-i3id3r -> l00t [21:34] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-136-194.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:35] paul424 (n=chatzill@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:35] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:36] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.36.140) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:36] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-62-150.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [21:37] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-181-189.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:37] seriously [21:37] how do you make compiz work [21:37] all I get is this [21:38] compiz: No GLXFBConfig for default depth, this isn't going to work [21:38] what driver? [21:39] trying to run it in virtualbox 3.0.2 [21:40] since I believe that is now possible [21:40] wd_ (n=wd@adsl-69-234-100-157.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:43] oh, possible. [21:43] i'm freaking out. what's the best way to install a package compiling from source? i downloaded wgetpaste.tar.gz. now installpkg says it's not tgz. so should i use makepkg or just do it the real manly way, untar into dir and go at it? [21:43] I think, but I don't think they implemented the entire opengl spec [21:43] okay [21:43] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-31-4.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:43] I am not finding google helpful [21:43] wd_: to turn source into package, find a slackbuild. [21:43] wd_: wgetpaste is just a script; just un-tar it, and stick it in /usr/local/bin/ or so [21:44] it's all older material [21:44] oh, that's even easier. [21:44] juice: I would check vbox forums http://forums.virtualbox.org/ [21:45] yeah [21:45] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:45] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:47] eviljames: k [21:47] thrice`: k [21:47] genericFlounder1 (n=genericF@c-67-162-127-32.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:47] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:47] juice: http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=18585&hilit=compositing [21:48] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [21:49] tester-ubuntu (n=tester-u@adsl-75-5-245-19.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:51] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) left irc: Client Quit [21:51] genericFlounder (n=genericF@c-67-162-127-32.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] okie doke... I disabled laptop mode tools to see if this little narcoleptic issue ends. 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[22:11] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [22:11] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:11] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: "leaving" [22:12] PurpleSmurf (i=0@unaffiliated/quiznos) joined ##slackware. [22:12] PurpleSmurf (i=0@unaffiliated/quiznos) left ##slackware. [22:13] bah [22:13] i find links of yes we have compiz running [22:13] but they don't tell how they set it up [22:14] i have 3d accel enabled [22:14] but still not sure what else needs done [22:17] wd_: that name indicates it's not a slackware package - so just untar it into a working directory [22:18] wd_: whats your last name? 40 [22:18] doh [22:19] lol [22:21] slak (n=slak@unaffiliated/slak) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:22] alisonken1church: practicing with abiword slackbuild and source but yes the file i wanted to install is toshutils.. and fan app and i got errors. but im learning. far from gentoo. [22:22] wd_: also - you may want to check and see if 'make install" allows installing to a working directory so you can make a proper slackware package of it [22:23] alisonken1church: oh my.. working dir? [22:23] alisonken1church: /tmp? [22:24] maxote (n=||||||||@84.79.67.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:24] Look at other slackbuilds for an example of how to do it [22:24] the idea is to install into a pristine directory, so when makepkg is run, it doesn't put your entire filesystem into the package [22:24] k [22:26] alisonken1church: ok what if i can't find a build script or linuxpackages slack *.tgz i just do it the manly way from source right? [22:27] DONT EVER USE LINUXPACKAGES [22:27] wd_: http://slackbuilds.org/faq/ look at question 7 "how do I learn to make a slackbuild script" [22:27] NEVER EVER EVER EVER [22:27] and, as sppok noted, linuxpackages are not exactly the best source for slackware packages due to other concerns [22:27] spook: k [22:28] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [22:28] alisonken1church: ok.. i'm at slackbuilds now and read how scripts works so i'm practicing with abiword. lol [22:28] wd_: most packages arent made on clean systems, arent quality controlled and have bucketloads of unnessisary dependendcies [22:28] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:28] wd_: rworkman makes abiword packages [22:29] wd_: the other palce to look for existing slackbuilds are in the slackare sources directory on the cd/dvd [22:29] alisonken1church: k [22:29] spook: k [22:29] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [22:29] or at least used to [22:29] http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/12.2/abiword-2.6.6-i486-1_rlw.tgz [22:29] slackbuilds.org is another good place to learn since it holds slackbuilds for packages that are not part of default slackware [22:30] http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ it lists the packages (he also makes) that abiword needs [22:30] maxote (n=||||||||@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [22:31] a good package to have as well is sbopkg - a slackware package manager-like utility that syncs with slackbuilds.org and allows browsing/building packages that are on slackbuilds.org [22:31] wont work for -current though :) [22:32] especially x86_64 current [22:32] alisonken1church: ok because i "dont scream" but i installed slapt-get and i can list but can't install with server. i'm using 10.2 to learn slack on a 75mhz pentium laptop. i'll move to 12 once i learn. [22:32] wd_: don't use slapt-get either. [22:32] once you have the compatibility packages, pretty much everything on sbo will work on 64current [22:33] wd_: use slackpkg instead [22:33] yeah slapt-get + 3rd party repositories = broken system [22:33] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@d92-156.icpnet.pl) left irc: "Leaving." [22:33] thumbs: yeah slackpkg from what i read doesn't handle "true" depends. [22:33] wd_: nothing does on slackware. [22:34] thumbs: ok [22:34] wd_: if a tool pretends to, it's lying to you. [22:34] wd_: you must learn what the actual packages are, and upgrade them as needed. [22:34] that's part of the appeal of slackware - a good system administrator will keep track of the dependencies since no automated package manager can do as good as the SA [22:34] i'm a long way from gentoo. lol. but i wanted to be a true slacker after i saw how i wasted 8 years with USE flags and got the same damn speed on 10.2 / 2.4 kernel. [22:35] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@d92-156.icpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [22:35] slapt-get does not do dependencies, all it is good for is checking for updated/patched packages (use with only an official mirror = tds or oregonstate are good) [22:35] uh [22:35] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@d92-156.icpnet.pl) left ##slackware. [22:36] i think you mean slackpkg [22:36] last I checked, slapt-get did do dependency checking - at least it did 3 years ago [22:36] slapt-get can check deps, but nothing for slackware packages [22:36] slackpkg is what you are thinking of [22:37] no, slapt-get, its not bad if you use it properly and dont expect too much from it' [22:37] i forgot how to get out of virtualbox lol [22:37] slapt-get can do slackware package dependency checks if the extra effort of adding the appropritate dependency tags in the description file - but only then [22:37] fullscreen [22:37] ctl+alt+f2 and "pkill" jeev [22:37] it's a very very very fragile way of handling things. [22:37] i like slapt-get for the --list option to show installed packages and packages i can get.. but it's broke so i'll take it off. [22:37] wd_: slackpkg is much better, trust me. [22:37] wd_: by FAR. [22:38] thumbs: no way... i'll get it. [22:38] it's installed by default [22:38] die [22:38] yes, now that slackpkg is in the main tree i would suggest using slackpkg too [22:38] slapt-get makes me think of well debian and i'm trying to stay true. lol [22:38] wd_: it rsyncs with a mirror, tells you what you have installed, and the updated. [22:38] s/updated/updates/ [22:39] thumbs: ok i'm sold. [22:39] wd_: with a single button, you can download and install all updates, too [22:40] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:41] wd_: and it has a clean ncurses interface, much like the setup process for slackware [22:41] you really can't lose. [22:41] ok i got this source for toshiba laptops it's source i know there isn't a slackbuild so what do i do, just install source and hope for the best? [22:41] wd_: did you check slackbuilds.org? [22:42] make a package [22:42] thumbs: ok. don't scream.. no.. [22:42] wd_: you can use the sample slackbuild on slackbuilds.org, and make a package with it. [22:42] wd_: ok, do check now. [22:42] thumbs: k [22:42] antiwire: k [22:43] wd_: the more you do it, the easier it'll get. [22:43] that's what i was looking for some kindof generic slackbuild. [22:43] wd_: there is one on the page. [22:43] i'm going there now. [22:44] slackbuild script template? [22:44] on home page? [22:45] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:45] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [22:46] yes, [22:49] http://slackbuilds.org/template.SlackBuild [22:49] BP{k}: k [22:50] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-17-109.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:50] wd_: grab a slackbuild from a package that looks similar to what you want to install, then modify it for your new package [22:50] guaxinim (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [22:50] alisonken1church: ok. [22:50] or do what BP{k} suggested [22:50] k [22:51] oh man .... slack rules. [22:51] simple and clean. [22:51] always has been always wil lbe [22:52] i can't wait to run 12 for the 2.6 kernel and new userland but this 10.2 with 2.4 kernel will only work on this test box... it's cool next week. [22:52] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:52] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-17-52.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:53] what laptop are you using? [22:53] how old is it? [22:54] alisonken1church: toshiba 400cs 75mhz/40meg ram/2g hd.. lol running fluxbox / xfce4 awesome... with dillo and mozilla. freaking awesome ..no way gentoo could do this. [22:55] alisonken1church: however i did have sarge on this but the depends slowed it down.. it zips now. [22:55] as noted, not all dependencies are required :) [22:56] alisonken1church: yep. [22:56] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:56] http://www.bash.org/?883338 [22:57] HAH [22:57] antiwire: noobfarm? [22:58] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-223-127.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:58] the're magically delicious [22:59] I'm trying to compile freealut on x86_64 and returns errors, arch incompatible? [22:59] paissad (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:59] powtrix, one second, i'll find my slackbuild [23:00] paissad (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [23:01] paissad (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:01] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1600 [23:01] paissad (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [23:01] powtrix, modified from sbo, http://pastebin.ca/1503918 [23:01] let me try [23:01] but i don't think i changed anything (and its for slamd64, but that shouldn't matter) [23:03] paissad_ (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] paissad_ (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:04] dive: lol [23:04] paissad_ (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] gotcha :P [23:07] time to get ready and head to the office [23:09] evo_ (n=evo@p5DDE6B98.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [23:10] hm no, same error: ../include/AL/alut.h:11:19: error: AL/al.h: No such file or directory [23:11] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.2.51) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [23:11] really its not there [23:13] wel wel wel, missing a lib to install a lib :D [23:13] sounds familiar :) [23:13] s/lib/header/ [23:18] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [23:18] init[1]|znc (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [23:18] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:21] http://filter.start.no/humor/4219 [23:21] phreak (n=phreak@pool-141-149-43-198.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:21] hey all [23:22] greetings phreak [23:24] -current 32 bit has hit the desktop. Now it is time for intel driver madness. [23:25] init[1] (i=buffer@77.246.19.109) joined ##slackware. [23:25] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest80714 [23:25] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:26] paissad_ (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:26] i have a question. Has anyone ever experienced lag when using firefox? [23:27] paissad-hp (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [23:27] powtrix, nice find :-) [23:29] guaxinim (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:29] one game from slackbuilds redirected me to start.no ;) [23:33] again trying to compile torcs FreeAlUT error: AL/al.h arrf [23:35] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:37] I dont know how many of you use firefox, i dont even know if its specifically a firefox problem but the browser is really slow when scrolling through websites or watching videos on youtube, for example. Just wondering if anyone else has experienced this kinf of thing. [23:37] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [23:38] firefox used to have memleaks since years :) [23:40] foooreeevvaarr [23:41] while(1) { malloc(1000); sleep(1); } [23:41] guaxinim (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [23:41] coming from firefox source, for sure :p [23:41] flash videos do slow it down a lot [23:42] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [23:46] Flash is a common problem on Linux. [23:46] It's not really all that stable. [23:46] I mean I expect flash to slow it down, but even when i'm just scrolling through normalpages with just text, the scrolling freezes up slightly. [23:47] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:47] are you on a 486dx2? [23:47] ;) [23:47] Odd [23:47] phreak, I've only noticed that on some myspace pages with a _lot_ of graphical or multimedia content [23:49] flash works fine for me on slackware [23:49] jeev, lol no I'm not [23:49] when i tried ubuntu awhile back it would freeze firefox when i went fullscreen [23:49] dive, yeah i've experienced that with pages like myspace as well [23:50] but that I would understand a bit more cuz of the heavy content [23:50] hmm 486... 864... 8664... 86_64! Back to the future! [23:50] and i mean i have more than enough memory and decent CPU speed [23:51] it's flash not you [23:52] but would flash be affecting even pages with lighter content? Cuz my scrollbar kind of freezes up on pretty much any page [23:52] never noticed that [23:53] except while content is still loading [23:53] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [23:54] Even scrolling through a wiki entry, i can feel the slight lag when scrolling down through the text. 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