[00:00] pack3r (n=paulo@189.35.32.145) joined ##slackware. [00:00] jesus that logo is disgusting [00:00] lol [00:01] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:01] rofl [00:01] i took it from a wikimedia image [00:01] hi res in all its glory [00:01] grazymax (n=grazymax@host4-25-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:02] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Human_Feces.jpg [00:02] damn [00:02] wikipedia is just so... informative [00:02] agreed :-D [00:02] you'd think "Human Feces" is one entry that wouldn't need a picture: everyone knows what it looks like [00:02] holy jesus [00:02] lol [00:02] grazymax (n=grazymax@host184-154-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [00:02] (except blind-from-birth people, and a picture won't help them anyway) [00:03] Urchlay: wikimedia provides a braille version [00:03] _stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:03] ...with images? [00:03] in all its bumpy glory [00:03] lol [00:03] just kidding, that was a joke. [00:03] i was trying to imagine a braille turd [00:03] so that would be "Human_Feces_with_extra_Peanuts.jpg"? [00:03] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-69-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:04] how about some corn? [00:04] damn, we ain't right [00:04] lol [00:04] i may just register ubunturd.com and redirect [00:04] :p [00:04] yeah, the name goes well with the logo [00:04] a friend suggested a dunce cap on the logo [00:04] or on the turd [00:04] i think it speaks for itself, personally [00:05] the only possible improvement I could think of would be for someone to arrange some turds in the shape of the ubuntu logo [00:05] (hopefully with the gimp/photoshop, not for real!) [00:05] ooooooh [00:06] mshade: I've been using the following line in my signature block on Usenet newsgroups for several years...: Ubuntu: an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". Feel free to incorporate that if you'd like. [00:06] yeah i thought of a play on the logo, but hadn't thought of a "loggo" [00:06] loggo... ewww [00:06] lol [00:07] i tried to register and host the site as anonymously as possible -- can you guys spot any way to ferret out who's behind it? [00:07] sec [00:07] i'd rather not piss off the community and get backlash at my personal addresses [00:07] hm. If you made your own joke distro based on ubuntu, and called it "coprophage", I wonder how many people would think it was for real... [00:07] it does not share an IP with any other sites, godaddy DNS, and a private registration [00:07] heh [00:08] MasterX831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-226-227.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:09] i probably should've changed my nick before mentioning this in IRC if i *really* wanted to be paraniod. i'm sure these logs are out there somewhere.. or will be [00:09] I don't see any identifying marks [00:09] I had been debating whether or not to finish eating this pizza or put it in the fridge... but now I don't feel like eating [00:09] danc3: oops. found one [00:10] telnet ubuntard.com 25 [00:10] yeah, that gives an IP [00:10] enjoying my beers [00:11] and a "whois" on that IP gives a lot of info, not sure if it's accurate or not [00:12] danc3: i had postfix running on loopback only -- i telneted locally and got a hostname, which was bad [00:12] fixed that [00:12] actually, i guess this machine doesn't need to receive mail at all. [00:12] begone, postfix! [00:12] good idea [00:13] mshade: I don't think you'll have a whole lot to worry about. [00:13] eh. i don't usually take a turd on the community, and i'd rather not have the reputation for it :D [00:14] and i can imagine an 'ubuntard' out there try their little curl / perl DoS script on me. i'd rather not give them more.. terrestrial targets. [00:15] who are ubuntards ? [00:15] how many ubuntards do you think know anything about curl/perl or anything along those lines...? ;) [00:15] ohh.. just enough ;) [00:16] any of you guys have a reddit account? mind upvoting that post for me? ;) [00:17] Just enough to be dangerous? [00:17] ayup [00:17] linus uses likes ubuntu ... is he a ubuntard ? [00:17] likes * [00:18] huh? [00:18] i thought he was on suse or fedora [00:18] Deeeep: I thought Linus used Fedora [00:18] Linus, last I heard, he used Fedora. [00:18] yep [00:18] yeah he uses ... but he also talked about ubuntu [00:19] In an interview he said he stopped using KDE after 4.0 release. Switched to Gnome. [00:19] yeah i saw that [00:19] He said he likes Ubuntu and Fedora for ease of use and has never tried Debian. [00:19] right [00:19] and no, i don't think linus would qualify at all as an ubuntard :) [00:20] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:20] hm [00:20] mshade: me either :) [00:20] He uses Fedora... because he wants it to "just work." [00:20] so who should head over to #ubuntu and post a link? ;) [00:20] Which is really dumb. [00:20] what link ? [00:20] Slackware just works, at least it does for me and I'm sure many others here. [00:20] firebird619: aye [00:20] yep [00:20] i like arch as well [00:21] mshade: I'm off to #ubuntu [00:21] before i looked into it, i actually thought arch was based on slack [00:21] hahah i must watch this. [00:21] depends on what's meant by "just works"... if you mean "has training wheels permanently welded on", you get ubuntu [00:22] Haven't tried Arch yet. Ran FreeBSD for quite some time. Now just Slack. [00:22] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:22] got a friend who used to be a slacker, runs arch now [00:22] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:23] ROFL, they booted me from #ubuntu [00:23] heh [00:23] banned [00:23] but not sure a recommendation from him really is much of an endorsement (he's one of those "eternal n00b" guys) [00:23] eep [00:23] danc3: haha. You should know better. [00:23] grin [00:23] "you should know better" lol [00:23] hahah eternal noob guy :D [00:24] he's spent 8 years or so hacking on other peoples' rc.firewall type scripts, and still doesn't get the concept of what a shell variable is [00:24] ahhh, not banned, just booted [00:24] (after 8 years of shell scripting he ought to be *good* at it) [00:24] danc3: I'm surprised ops are alive at this time. [00:25] heh [00:25] danc3: but then, being #ubuntard, they would need ops 24/7 [00:25] he spent half an hour complaining about how awful apt-get is, while showing off arch linux's pacman, which looks to me like the same damn thing [00:25] hahah [00:26] i'm tail -f'ing the log for ubuntard... quite a lot of traffic [00:26] and a lot of windows user agents [00:26] hehe [00:26] because they can't get their ubuntu box online? [00:27] so they... boot windows [00:27] Well, you're linked from tuxmachines already. [00:28] lol really? [00:28] now that's hilarious [00:28] where you see that? [00:31] i see no incoming links from tuxmachines [00:32] i talked with the tuxmachines.org owner a while ago after he linked to another blog of mine. at the time, he hosted the machine from home [00:32] seemed odd to me. lots of traffic and supporting it on a pretty tiny DSL connection. wondered why it was so slow at the time... seems to have improved [00:33] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:33] dionysian (n=dionysia@c-68-50-172-72.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:40] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [00:44] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.241) left irc: [00:47] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-71-230.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [00:52] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-97.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [00:54] Revenger (i=ad399c02@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d18aebe956e4401c) joined ##slackware. [00:55] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:57] Anyone have any good ideas for a battery monitor to use in Fluxbox? [01:00] pack3r (n=paulo@189.35.32.145) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:00] Revenger (i=ad399c02@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d18aebe956e4401c) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [01:02] I'm still configuring a .conkyrc but I tend to go full screen with apps, I'm using an Asus Eee 1000H. [01:06] agentc0re1 (n=agentc0r@c-67-182-203-59.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [01:10] cyb3r3li0g (n=3li0@c-67-164-158-190.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [01:11] so with slackware, what do i do if my wireless card in my desktop i am installing slackware on isnt recognized? [01:11] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-69-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:12] some research [01:12] wat|windows: panic [01:12] installation isnt finished yet im just saying [01:12] heres hoping it works [01:22] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.37.25) left irc: "Leaving" [01:23] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-69-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:23] omzine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [01:24] omzine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Client Quit [01:24] mshade: The owner of tuxmachines is Susan Linton. [01:24] And, she's been working on her hosting prolem. [01:28] mdeanda (n=root@cpe-76-170-16-43.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: "network going down" [01:31] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [01:32] jkwood: where do you host from? [01:33] j0z (n=JESUS@201.35.45.194) joined ##slackware. [01:34] jkwood: just curious - what made you say i was linked from there? i don't see a link :) [01:34] and thanks for the info [01:37] agentc0re: http://linode.com [01:37] I rent a virtual server from them. [01:38] which plan? [01:38] linode is good. i've been using slicehost as well, and am recently experimenting with fsckvsp.com as well [01:38] Umm... a 540, I think. [01:38] fsckvps.com that is [01:39] i had a dedicated box at softlayer.com for a while, and it was nice - but too pricey for what i needed. esp after i stopped hosting my own mail [01:40] Huh... I could have sworn... [01:40] Action: BP{k} uses linode as well [01:41] so does chopp, and CaptObviousman [01:41] mshade: It's possible that I made it up. [01:41] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:41] straterra too. [01:41] okay so, youtube freezes firefox if i try to go into fullscreen mode.. i'm told i need to disable hardware acceleration but i can't uncheck the box... is there another method? [01:41] I'm using hostgator right now. I have no reason to switch except for the limitations that in all honesty i'd probably never exceed. [01:42] But for VPS, that's a good price. [01:42] jkwood: hahah. it's all good :) but if you have any clout there, i *would* appreciate the link ;) [01:43] Heh, jkwood, BP{k} please tell me that you chose slackware as your linode distro. [01:43] that's kind of cool that you can choose. [01:43] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:44] r0b_ (n=r0b@pool-71-244-128-233.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:44] r0b_ (n=r0b@pool-71-244-128-233.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:45] that kiddo really likes the baby swing [01:46] Action: CaptObviousman heartily re commends whatever it is BP{k} is advocating, as long as it's not seppuku [01:46] during network configuration what do i put for my hostname? [01:46] wat|windows: whatever you want? [01:47] CaptObviousman: linode. [01:47] CaptObviousman can i have an example? [01:47] wat|windows: sure, kleinbottle [01:47] k [01:48] Action: CaptObviousman is also available for child- and pet-naming for a small fee [01:48] agentc0re: of course. [01:48] hope you don't mind four boys all named Aaron, because I happen to like that name [01:48] CaptObviousman: what should i name my hot dog? [01:49] mshade: weiner [01:49] i like it. how can i lengthen it? i think it should be an absurdly long name. [01:49] agentc0re: Yeah. [01:49] I'm actually working with them on updating to 12.2. [01:49] well, how about myabsurdlylongweinerthatiwillnevereat [01:50] Action: CaptObviousman tacks on a "becauseiamnotthatflexible" onto the end [01:50] jkwood: hm might just as well worth delaying for a while and make it $nextversion :) [01:50] howbout just "weinerschnitzle" [01:50] BP{k}: I know i am baby'd at hostgator with cpanel and the auto install scripts of whatever program i'm looking for. Does linode do the same thing or is it just some remote sever that you have complete control of from the ground up and have to start from nothing to something? [01:50] i like that. has a nice ring to it. just rolls off the tongue. [01:50] Nothing from something. [01:50] Action: CaptObviousman also likes it, but it's nowhere near absurdly long [01:51] agentc0re: pretty much, they have a a couple of tools to make deployment of images easy. but basically the slackware image is purdy bare bones. [01:52] It does come with wget, at least. [01:52] it's the barest system that runs effectively [01:52] You start out with an ssh server. [01:52] pretty much [01:52] heh. [01:52] but you're assured that there's no unnecessary shit [01:53] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-169-134-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:57] Action: agentc0re wonders if he should switch... [01:57] is setting up a slackware dualboot having windows installed first hard? im planning on installing slackware to a second hard drive [01:58] wat|windows: not at all, having windows first is a must. [01:58] ah ok [01:58] installing to a second hard drive, is it bad? [01:58] first i need to format my second hard drive :) [01:58] wat|windows: once slackware has installed, it will find your windows partition and make it boot able via lilo. [01:58] cant i install it to a second hard drive? [01:58] wat|windows: well, more than likely depending on your setup. chances are, it will find it. [01:59] Why do you need windows though? [01:59] gaming [01:59] BS. [01:59] What games? [01:59] team fortress 2, left 4 dead, unreal tournament 3, f.e.a.r. 2, and some others [02:00] have you checked wine apps DB yet for those? [02:00] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:00] agentc0re i'll keep windows [02:00] along with slackware [02:00] mshade: Story submitted. We'll see what Susan has to say about it. [02:00] UT3 will hopefully be out as a pure linux client soon. [02:00] jkwood: hey, thanks! much appreciated [02:01] so if i install slackware to my second hard drive, how do i select which hard drive to use using cfdisk [02:01] also agentc0re i have grub already installed [02:01] BP{k}, jkwood, CaptObviousman have you or did you upgrade your linodes from 12.0 to 12.2? [02:02] jkwood: hey.. site has only been up a few hours and it's already the second link for 'ubuntard' in google after urban dictionary [02:02] huzzah [02:02] agentc0re if i have grub installed already on my second hard drive will lilo overwrite it [02:03] wat|windows: yes, lilo will overwrite grub. [02:03] wat|windows: as long as your write lilo to mbr. [02:03] agentc0re: yep. 12.0 -> 12.1 -> 12.2 [02:04] agentc0re so how do i choose which harddrive to use with cfdisk? [02:05] i need to format my second hard drive to get rid of fedora [02:05] wat|windows: you have 2 hd's right? [02:05] yes [02:05] two internals and an external [02:05] one has linux, another has windows? [02:05] yes [02:05] the second one has a 30 gig partition for linux and the rest is just free space [02:06] so you choose the one without linux, how is that hard? [02:06] oh wait [02:06] the cfdisk list will say something like /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda2 correct? [02:06] yes [02:06] duh :P [02:06] im downloading gparted currently [02:06] fail moment. \0/ [02:06] ha [02:06] not needed [02:07] \o/ [02:07] why not? [02:07] oh duh IM STUPID :P [02:07] brb [02:07] wat|windows (n=wat@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:07] esp. if you use separate drives to have your different distros on. [02:07] .. [02:07] well i'm glad he realized it. :P [02:08] BP{k}, jkwood, CaptObviousman: what type of site do you host from there? [02:10] porn, they both host porn [02:10] s/both/all/ [02:10] p0rn cluster ftw? :D [02:11] nahh, they all have varied tastes. some animal, some gay, some fetish [02:11] andarius: you would know. you account for 70% of my bandwith usage downloading it all. ;) [02:11] Action: andarius halts wget.... [02:11] what do you speak of :P [02:11] BP{k}: = gay... so wait a sec.. [02:11] andarius: you like gay porn? [02:12] he has the fetish porn [02:12] sure he does. [02:12] :P [02:12] Now that your busted.. Lets see that internet cache.. [02:12] agentc0re: uhm whatever. stop projecting. :P [02:12] BP{k}: No, you just hosted it for your viewers. [02:12] BP{k}: not for yourself. [02:13] agentc0re: you are the one who made the gay comment. [02:13] your just upset you dont have access :P [02:13] (12:08:07 AM) andarius: nahh, they all have varied tastes. some animal, some gay, some fetish [02:13] this is just to fuckin weird [02:13] I'm outta here [02:13] lol [02:13] andarius: So true... ;) [02:13] LOL [02:14] in order i invisioned, jkwood, BP{k}, then CaptObviousman. [02:14] Action: andarius has actualy not seen any of their sites :( [02:15] Action: CaptObviousman hosts seven websites on his, but declines to share [02:15] BP{k}: So i am drinking the Smauel Adams Shite Ale. It's pretty good. [02:15] Shit Ale, huh? Well at least they're honest [02:15] CaptObviousman: Seven holes for seven different fetishes? [02:15] lol [02:15] ok, we're done with that topic. You are way too interested [02:16] Not interested in viewing, just fun to give you shit. :D [02:16] I read that as "Shiite Ale" [02:17] like, you drink a bunch of it, pass out, and wake up with bombs strapped to your chest [02:17] s/Smauel/Samuel [02:17] Urchlay: after drinking it, you probably wished you had ;) [02:17] wat (i=wat@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:18] agentc0re [02:18] my second harddrive wasnt in the cfdisk list [02:18] I have a Full Sail dodoppelbock in the fridge that will be a lot better than this. However it's still a good beer, esp considering where i live. [02:18] cfdisk will only display one at a time [02:18] how do i switch andarius, switch between them* [02:19] wat: Use fdisk. [02:19] hm, has anyone ever used this DVD ripping program called "handbrake"? http://handbrake.fr/ [02:19] agentc0re how do i do this with fdisk? [02:19] wat: you have to specify the disk to cfdisk "cfdisk /dev/hdb" for example [02:19] kk [02:19] wat: fdisk -l [02:19] then what do i do [02:19] wat: fdisk --help [02:19] wat man fdisk [02:19] g2g [02:21] BP{k}: Also got this seasonal ale from the Guinness brewers called Smithwicks Imported irish ale. It's pretty good as well. [02:21] i have a $70 gift card for fishpond.com.au, any recommended books by anyone? [02:22] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-168-230.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:22] chance22 (n=chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [02:22] frullet: fishing for dummies? [02:23] agentc0re: i live to far away from the coast for that [02:23] agentc0re: nice :) [02:23] BP{k}: I think the Full Sail Dopplebock will do me in though. It's going to be my final beer for the night. [02:23] how about a pair of those cool rubber boots that go up to the thighs :P [02:23] I got some 3 bottles from the wychwood brewery in the fridge. :) [02:24] 2 seasonal ones, and a whitewych [02:24] BP{k}: i think you probably have a better selection of beer than I do. [02:24] P4C0 (n=susana@190.141.75.90) joined ##slackware. [02:24] hello, anyone having problems with xine on -current? [02:26] BP{k}: I never wanna compete with you, just share is all :D [02:27] frullet: oh books.... um, "cool rubber boots that go up to the thigh" by edward j. housing? [02:27] antler: ill be sure to check it out ;) [02:27] isbn: 00452152125L [02:28] agentc0re: same :) I really should get around to posting those pictures we took of all the beer on my blog. [02:29] whats your blog addy btw? [02:29] agentc0re: I've used slackpkg to update it all the way to -current, actually. [02:29] Action: antler needs to have a blog [02:29] Action: jkwood is otherwise distracted [02:29] agentc0re: http://michielvwessem.wordpress.com/ [02:30] jkwood: Very cool. I am more than confident in being able to do whatever i want, but i guess i kind of like the fact that if i want say, wordpress, i just tell cpanel to install and it's done and working. [02:30] i dunno. [02:30] Taskatech (n=eric@75.143.165.1) joined ##slackware. [02:30] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:30] BP{k}: I'll be waiting for pictures of those beers then :) [02:31] BP{k}: So you don't host this blog from your linode? [02:31] BP{k}: and i'll be wanting those pics in your directory called "do_not_touch_private_stuff_x-rated_stay_away_caution" [02:31] I used to have cpanel. It's really not that great. [02:32] jkwood: Well not worth paying for a license but i like the fantistico scripts I guess. [02:32] just makes it easier. [02:32] I guess if i was to have full control it would be a different situation of "easy" [02:33] agentc0re: not at the moment, I will probably move it in time. Mostly at the moment it's just a ssh/file host for some stuff. [02:33] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-168-230.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:33] antler: Ah, that kind of guy are we? So Whats the best thing about 29 year olds? [02:35] agentc0re: some would say: there's 20 of them! [02:35] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) joined ##slackware. [02:36] Urchlay: \0/ yey! someone else knows! :P [02:36] agentc0re: hm, i don't remember. it's been a while for me since 29 [02:37] antler: There's 20 of them. [02:37] ewww [02:37] not my cup of tea :) [02:38] I would hope it's no ones cup of tea so long as it's a joke and joke only to see someones face as they go, "ewwww" [02:38] hahah [02:39] originaly I think that was a joke about michael jackson, when he was being accused of being a child molester [02:39] also, "What does michael jackson have in common with wal-mart?" [02:39] Urchlay: I thought it was the one that went, "How do you make a 6 year old cry twice", joke. [02:39] Won't someone think of the children? [02:39] Besides Michael Jackson, of course. [02:40] Taskatech (n=eric@75.143.165.1) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [02:40] yeah, I'd say he does entirely too much thinking of the children... [02:40] man are ALL geniuses freaks? [02:40] what he has in common with wal-mart: "Little boys' pants, half-off" [02:40] hahaha [02:40] Urchlay: Haha, i like that one. [02:41] Wait, that doesn't sound good on my part. [02:41] lol [02:41] hehe [02:41] Action: agentc0re grabs more beer [02:41] hm. Anyone here drink sake? [02:42] Urchlay: soju [02:42] I have this bottle of it, not sure if I should drink it at room temperature, get it cold, or get it hot like they do in sushi restaurants [02:42] i'd say drink it however it tastes good to you [02:43] well I have no idea how it tastes yet, haven't opened the bottle yet... [02:43] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-171-235.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [02:44] mmmmmm sushi [02:44] yeah [02:44] could wish there were a sushi place open at 3AM [02:45] yep was thinking just that, only it's 00:45 here [02:45] BP{k}: Yumm the Doppelbock is definitely a desert beer and best saved for last. [02:45] there's a 24-hour chinese restaurant here (well, not too far from here), but not the same thing [02:45] antler: Same time here, where do you live? [02:46] agentc0re: calgary [02:46] Urchlay: I drink Sake when i eat Sushi. [02:46] agentc0re: you? [02:46] antler: Ah, same time zone different ends though. [02:46] yeah, that's about the only times I've ever had sake [02:46] Utah, usa. [02:46] but sometimes I drink tea with sushi [02:47] (depends on who's driving home after we eat...) [02:47] you would think sushi would be cheaper in japan than it is in canada. nope. it's expensive. really expensive. [02:47] heh heh. [02:47] probably depends where in japan though, i would guess. [02:48] I am sure they are under the understanding that tourists come there to eat the best sushi so they charge more in certain areas. [02:48] that is the case in many countries [02:49] Urchlay: the chinese food you get comes in those cool looking white containers that are seen in the movies? [02:50] Anyone that is still awake have a Xbox 360 with World At War and wants to kill some Zombies? [02:50] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-186-131.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:50] agentc0re: hahaha [02:51] farabi_1 (n=farabi@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [02:51] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-171-235.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:52] farabi_1 (n=farabi@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) left irc: Client Quit [02:52] sometimes it does... the wax-covered cardboard, with metal handles [02:52] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-179-16.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [02:52] (obviously the containers were invented before everyone owned a microwave...) [02:52] farabi_1 (n=farabi@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [02:52] mannynix (n=mannynix@201.164.97.23) left irc: "nite" [02:52] Nick change: farabi_1 -> farabi [02:52] Hello [02:54] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [02:54] hello [02:54] well I'll be damned. Buried back in the dark recesses of the fridge, I found a beer [02:54] Urchlay: WAHOO! [02:54] Urchlay: \0/ [02:54] agentc0re: your head is a tad elongated :P [02:55] agentc0re: http://slackware.com/~rworkman/hal.conf.txt <-- re power group to shutdown via hal methods, that's exactly what I intend it to be. [02:55] 'tis a newcastle, and apparently got banged around a bit (it spewed a little when I opened it) [02:55] That hal.conf isn't in Slackware yet, but it will be. [02:55] firebird619: ^^ in case you missed that above, ping. [02:56] rworkman: I had no idea. I just wanted to make sure. To be completly honest I never searched for any docs about it since it was new from 4.6. [02:56] rworkman: I just got back to the pc and read it. Thanks. [02:56] agentc0re: no prob. You probably want to put the contents of that hal.conf.txt into your hal.conf [02:56] firebird619: you too :) [02:56] Everyone, for that matter. [02:56] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-179-16.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:57] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:57] The only thing won't be good for a stock 12.2 system is the "netdev" group usage, so you'll want to change that to "wheel" or some such, or create a netdev group with the same gid as in -current. [02:57] rworkman: Will do. Thanks again! As always, nothing short of spectacular /end brown nosing [02:57] :) [02:57] To everyone, sorry I've been so scarce lately; lots going on away from the computers lately [02:58] rworkman: Do you think by adding this to my hal.conf it could solve those problems with suspend? would it by chance have anything to do with it? [02:58] agentc0re: I don't know what "these problems" are off the top of my head, but maybe. [02:58] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:59] rworkman: Is it ongoing?/ [02:59] agentc0re: Wait, you have the one on LQ with the potential kernel bug, right? If so, then no, this probably won't hlep you [02:59] rworkman: Where i suspend and if i let the laptop suspend for longer than 2 min it will not return from suspend. [02:59] rworkman: corrent. [02:59] rworkman: err correct. [03:00] rworkman: okay. just wanting to make sure. [03:00] jkwood: nothing bad, just lots of "housework" and such. I'm gettting close to done, for some values of done. [03:03] I wired up my storage building, put a dusk-to-dawn light on it, ran 50m of 10/3 wire to it, dug a ditch to bury that wire in, and am about 2/3 along with covering it up. Interspersed in there is another project... [03:03] rworkman: Paranoid are we? ;) [03:03] I'm currently connected via a Verizon UM175 usb dongle, and it's working decently so far. As soon as the antenna adapter arrives, I'll be connecting it to the high gain antenna I put up yesterday to see how that improves things :) [03:03] high gain? as long as you point well ;) [03:04] and I just returned from "4th and 23rd" (a bar) where a group of doctors who have a band were performing. Unfortunately, their beer selection is less than optimal, so my alcohol intake was less than optimal also. [03:04] rworkman: :( [03:04] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-185-28.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [03:04] what kind of doctors? [03:04] andarius: it's an omnidirectional, but one of those intended for truckers. It's not *that* high gain, but it will work for this. [03:04] agentc0re: some surgeons that my wife works with [03:05] I work with doctors actually, and if any of them had a band i honestly don't think i'd ever go to it. [03:05] you arent in the hills are you ? [03:05] They're pretty good, actually - they play a lot of 80's hair bands and some other good rock [03:05] andarius: I'm up on a hill, actually [03:05] I don't work with surgeons. Just clinic doc's. [03:06] gain omnis tend to flatten things out. vertical variances can be trouble [03:06] "ladies and gentlemen, please give it up for drs. singh, kowalski, and nadupreet, and their fresh single, "under the blade" " um, no. [03:07] andarius: considering that it's working acceptably *now* sitting in my window via a usb extension cable, 6m of coax shouldn't introduce much loss to counter the added signal from a 7db gain antenna 5-6m tall [03:07] hm, a band of doctors... makes me think of stephen king's band of writers (Rockbottom Remainders?) [03:08] or, "Ladies your Gynecologists, the Vagina's!" [03:08] just noting the downs of a gain omni. many seem to overlook the downsides these days for some reason [03:08] haha [03:08] andarius: true that. I know how to build a directional if needed :) [03:08] figured you did ;) [03:08] I guess they'd be afraid to start a punk band and call it "Malpractice" [03:08] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [03:09] hehe [03:09] They are "On Call" fwiw [03:09] haha [03:09] I saw a pretty good band at a bar last week... blues/bluegrass, they were called "Burnt Bacon" [03:10] I don't know if it's "out" in mainstream media (I don't tend to watch), but... the ex-Alabama basketball coach was fired (or resigned or something) recently, and rumor has it that it was because of an extramarital affair... [03:11] hm. I never did get that... [03:11] agentc0re: hahahaha [03:11] lol "wtf... is gcc" ... "i hear about that alot in linux" the questions i feild geeze [03:11] I mean, you got busted cheating on your wife. You're already in a world of shit... why do you also have to be fired from your job? [03:11] she_dyed (n=she_dyed@adsl-2-215-254.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] So... at the bar, I made a comment about this cute blonde in a short dress... something along the lines of "She's cute - I'd do her if she didn't get too fussy about it..." and then my wife says, "yeah, Mark Gottfried thought the same, and you see what it got him" [03:12] Soul_keeper: ... What?! [03:12] Turns out she's the chick that he supposedly had the affair with - she works with my wife. [03:12] whoa [03:12] rworkman: LOL, what's what wifes are for. To keep us in check. [03:13] :) [03:13] slackpkg runs really fast when its downloading from a mirror in your own lan [03:13] That's funny cuz i read that i was thinking, "Hey isn't he married??". [03:14] Anyway, I think I'll push out a few SBo updates, so ttfn [03:14] Not that when we see hot chicks it stops of from saying the, "I'd totally do that chick" kind of statements. [03:14] rworkman: has everybody been busy or on vacation lately? I notice pending/ has a ton o' stuff... [03:14] rworkman: <3 [03:15] she_dyed (n=she_dyed@adsl-2-215-254.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:15] (not meant to sound impatient, just curious) [03:17] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:17] omg i like ktorrent and all, but why tha fock does it have to eat 80-100% of my cpu most of the time? sheesh [03:17] that's the price you pay for all that fancy kde stuff [03:18] transmission ftw !! [03:19] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [03:19] hm, checking sbo right now for transmission [03:19] it's there [03:19] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Success [03:19] yeah i see it [03:19] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [03:20] atleast it's not written in python or java ... i give it that [03:21] rtorrent ftw [03:21] actually I used to use azureus for a long time, and mostly it was OK, java or not [03:21] Soul_keeper: don't insult python [03:21] I'll fight you to the death [03:21] aceofspades19, lol [03:22] heh. /me puts on his perl gang colors. Represent! [03:22] comparing python to java is like comparing a ferrai to a station wagon [03:23] aceofspades19: yeah, i tried rtorrent. with it, i couldn't set it and forget it--too much manual stuff [03:23] wasn't comparing them, just lumping them into the "unneeded junk pile" sorry bout that [03:24] antler: and you call yourself a slackware user [03:24] eh? Most of us call antler a slackware user... [03:24] this is the last place I would think of someone complaining about a config file [03:25] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021906]" [03:25] holdmypocket_ (n=hold@24.152.161.62) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [03:25] aceofspades19 Urchlay : with torrents, i just wanna download, that's it. point, click, done. hehe [03:26] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "leaving" [03:26] strankan (n=strankan@213.112.205.43) joined ##slackware. [03:26] with torrents, the #1 must-have feature for me is a way to pick & choose which file(s) out of a torrent to download [03:27] I have a 500 gb harddrive just for data, so I just download whole torrents [03:27] ...and without killing/restarting the torrent client, too [03:27] Urchlay: yeah, that's one of the reasons why, for me, ktorrent was great [03:27] aceofspades19: that's nice, but what happens when you're looking for season 3, episode 19 of your favorite show (you have all the others)... and you can only find a torrent of the whole season? [03:28] Urchlay: usually I can find a torrent just for that episode [03:28] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-185-28.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:28] or, you want to download all the files in the torrent, but you want to tell it to download the first episode first so you can go ahead & watch it, instead of waiting 4 days for the whole thing to complete [03:29] Urchlay: I have never had to do that before [03:30] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-130-78.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [03:30] eh, I don't *have* to do that, I can just be patient... but I don't want to be patient (if I did, I'd just wait for the TV station to re-air the episode) [03:30] so what's the slackware Accepted 3rd party package website people recommend around here ? [03:30] Soul_keeper: slackbuilds.org [03:30] Soul_keeper: slackbuilds.org [03:30] thanks [03:30] jinx! [03:31] only there aren't any packages there [03:31] Soul_keeper: you might have a look at alienBOB 's site as well [03:31] yeah appears they have a slackbuild script for what i needed, that won't work [03:32] guess i'll have to make a slackpak for someone [03:32] a slackbuild script won't work? [03:32] Soul_keeper: define won't work? [03:32] this is for someone with a slow computer [03:32] ah. [03:32] slow != not work [03:32] would prolly take 3hrs to compile [03:32] if he trusts you, you build the package and send to him, no problem [03:32] yeah i'll do that [03:34] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "weee, more snoozles" [03:37] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.7.234) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:38] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-58-107.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:38] GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD MORNING SLACKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERS [03:39] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-18-58-107.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [03:39] Nick change: firebird619 -> Guest65793 [03:40] Guest65793 (n=jeremy@173-18-58-107.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:40] firebird719 (n=jeremy@173-18-58-107.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [03:40] firebird719 (n=jeremy@173-18-58-107.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:43] farabi (n=farabi@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [03:48] Tyrael: did you forget to take your pill? [03:49] maybe he crunched his pill up & snorted it... [03:51] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:52] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-130-78.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:52] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:53] aceofspades19, no I'm at work since 06:00 [03:53] and just needed to express my feelings [03:53] have done absolutly nothing yet [03:53] just browsing, working on my server [03:54] reading all mails with last changes for the dropline gnome [03:54] dropline gnome 2.26 is almost rdy :D [03:55] ewww dropline gnome [03:55] hm, the sake is pretty good cold [03:56] Action: Urchlay drinks, what else is there to do while waiting for compiles to finish? [03:56] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [03:56] whats wrong with dropline aceofspades19 ? [03:56] birdlives (n=lee@96.240.45.172) joined ##slackware. [03:57] birdlives (n=lee@96.240.45.172) left irc: Client Quit [03:57] for one thing, you don't drop lines, you snort them :) [03:58] I'm a dutchie, so its normal for us Urchlay [03:59] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-58-107.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [04:00] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:00] M1ck_ (n=mick@81.64.135.100) joined ##slackware. [04:01] seriously, a lot of people don't like dropline because it replaces core parts of your system, rendering it not really Slackware any more [04:01] (for one thing, it installs PAM, doesn't it?) [04:04] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-58-107.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Client Quit [04:05] M1ck_ (n=mick@81.64.135.100) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:06] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:06] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:07] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [04:08] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:10] Tyrael: its a bitch to fix the mess it makes if you uninstall it [04:10] jdetring (n=jay@71.153.129.148) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:11] hm, is it even intended to be uninstalled, or do they just tell you to reinstall slack? [04:11] aceofspades19, we are working on the installer [04:11] its being rewritten [04:12] Tyrael: does it still replace slackware packages? [04:12] only a few, this release has 20 less packages that are up to date in slackware [04:12] Urchlay: Lots of stuff hit us all at once, and several of us are very busy with Slackware proper, and there's normal lives to live and all that sort of thing. [04:13] normal lives? [04:13] what are those? [04:13] and yes Urchlay, it installs PAM [04:13] echo $RANDOM > /dev/normal [04:13] rworkman: fair enough. Just wondering if I ought to hold off submitting anything [04:13] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@default-ip-teleglobe.shellfusion.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:13] Urchlay: nah [04:13] Tyrael: tell me when it only replaces 1 or 2 [04:13] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-179-205.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:14] apparently what I'm building now is extra-specially designed to defeat ccache, so it'll be a while :( [04:14] 1 sec. let me do a quick count [04:14] rworkman: Would you be able to look over a package list from Slackware 12.0 and see if there's anything that should be added to a base system in 12.2? [04:15] Urchlay: ugh [04:15] jkwood: I'm not sure I understand the assignment, but sure [04:15] I wonder if pat will skip slackware 13 [04:16] why, cause of the unlucky number superstition? [04:16] http://slaxer.com/chucks/packagelist [04:16] Urchlay: yes [04:16] Basically, I'm trying to get a base list of packages for Linode to make a 12.2 image. [04:17] aceofspades19 [04:17] yes? [04:17] I dunno, he seems more like he'd laugh at superstitious people [04:17] want me to count also the packages we replace because gnome 2.26 requires for example a newer atk and gtk [04:17] it would be cool if slackware 13 was released on friday the 13th [04:17] Tyrael: if it replaces a slackware package it counts [04:18] yeah, and make the first install CD exactly 666MB in size [04:18] jkwood: all of A series is all you *really* need. [04:18] jkwood: however, the problem then becomes ability to install addons. [04:18] Yeah. They include openssh, but I think that's pretty much it. [04:18] jkwood: if you've got a way to mount a package source without network, then A is fine. [04:19] Well, they build it in a chroot on an Ubuntu machine. [04:19] No, I mean: after the image is running [04:19] aceofspades19: I really did know a girl whose street address was 666 (something) Avenue, Apartment 13 [04:20] she kept a noose with 13 knots on her door... as jehovah's witness/mormon/salesman repellent. Worked good. [04:20] my mailbox is number 13 [04:21] Oh, okay. [04:21] Urchlay: did she live at crystal lake? [04:21] :p [04:21] nah. Downtown Atlanta near the projects though, pretty scary neighborhood [04:21] jkwood: With just a few things from the N series, you can have a working network stack, ftp client, nfs client support, and curl/wget. I'd suggest a virtual machine to iron out exactly what. [04:22] jkwood: basically, once you get it worked out in a virtual env, it will be fine in a real env. [04:22] Don't forget to include slackpkg. Along with a working network stack, that can eliminate most troubles. [04:23] I know a person who had a birthday on 2006-06-06 [04:23] aceofspades19 [04:24] I count 16 [04:24] which of them are 14 version updates [04:24] to comply with gnome 2.26 requirements [04:24] 16 is too many for me [04:25] complain to gnome about it [04:25] Okay, cool. [04:25] aceofspades19: the problem is that it's simply impossible to build gnome as users expect it wihtout diong that. [04:25] I'll work on that later. [04:25] as rworkman said [04:25] its impossible to build 2.26 without those changes [04:26] what about 2.24? [04:26] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:26] because of incompatible versions [04:26] Tyrael: are there any of those that we can update in the main Slackware tree (without introducing incompatible changes)? [04:26] on 12.2 ? [04:26] yeah [04:27] we had 2.24 for 12.1 and ported some to 12.2, but decided to go for 2.26 for 12.2 [04:27] will be alit less packages needed to change for that aceofspades19 [04:27] rworkman [04:27] there are a few yes [04:28] gtk+ and glib2 for example [04:28] atk [04:28] I don't know how much it will help htough; they'll be done in the -current tree, which will likely put you guys in the same position with next stable release [04:28] indeed [04:28] and that will always be the problem [04:28] I don't think I looked at atk along with the new gtk and glib bumps that just went into -current; I'll make a note about it [04:29] ok, thats good [04:29] I do have some other ones [04:29] will just look in the -current so gimme a few minutes [04:29] Tyrael: mail a list to me -- rworkman@ [04:29] @slackware.com ? [04:29] yep [04:30] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:30] Once glib 2.20 releases and stabilizes, and more importantly, gtk 2.16.x goes through a few more revisions, I might shoot for those, depending on how much time is left in the -current area [04:30] if there is anything special about the build script, I will not send it to you. want to stick to slack policy, not change anything :D [04:30] Sounds good :) [04:31] 2.20 glib alrady been released [04:31] hello all. [04:31] but waiting for a 2.20.2 or something would be good [04:31] ooh, I missed that, but yeah. [04:31] Tyrael, yea glib has sec fixes too [04:31] Tyrael, anything under that latest rev has cve [04:32] jkwood: I've got 12.2 on my linode. Could I be of assistance? [04:32] Action: Old_Fogie cant stand gnome's security updates policy [04:33] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:33] Action: chopp waves to Old_Fogie [04:34] hey hey hey chopp :) [04:34] giuppy (n=giuppy@host120-164-dynamic.26-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:35] hm. handbrake's default settings made a halfway decent looking DVD rip [04:36] chopp: Well, I've passed through it. I'm mostly just trying to work with irgeek to get a 12.2 image available. [04:36] I really don't think anything major has changed in 12.0 or 12.2 as far as the base package set is concerned, but my memory may not be perfect on that. [04:38] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-169-134-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:39] hm, when the the split-up of the old net-tools happen? pre-12.0? (I gave 11.0 a miss...) [04:40] er, or was it some other network package that happened to? (I have net-tools on 12.2) [04:41] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [04:41] jkwood: I figured you probably had 12.2 on yours. When I upgraded mine, I did all of a,ap,d,k,l,n, and deleted a few packages later. Great to hear you're working with irgeek on an image. :) [04:42] wow rworkman [04:42] just sended the email [04:42] just noticed compared to -current its only 7 packages :D [04:42] Tyrael: good deal; thanks [04:43] hunk (n=hunk@190.43.224.209) joined ##slackware. [04:43] hi [04:44] i need help [04:44] my wifi not work's [04:44] morn rworkman [04:44] ah, n/tcpip got split into various netkit-* before 12.0 came out, nevermind [04:44] i send ping 192.168.1.1 and all 0k [04:45] but ping www.google.com not work's [04:45] Panzer: indeed :) [04:45] hunk: that's a dns problem [04:45] man, bittorent kills my router... :( [04:45] not [04:45] edman007: it don't mine [04:45] whit cable work's [04:46] if i restart desconfigure all [04:46] Panzer, my brother is torrenting something, using only ~3kB/s of bandwidth, yet for some reason pinging my router gives me 13% packet drop [04:46] Buggaboo (n=bug@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:46] wow that is nasty. [04:46] yea... [04:46] wrt? [04:46] :S [04:46] dd-wrt [04:46] hey guys [04:46] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [04:46] there is a setting you need to change. [04:46] nothing? [04:47] oh? [04:48] yea it is the number of connections the router is handling [04:48] this is a known issue http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/469092836/m/613007112831 [04:48] yea, i noticed it way high...92% of max is what it has listed for number of connections [04:49] wow that is nasty then cause max is 4096 [04:49] no, it says its 512 [04:49] :( [04:49] Action: edman007 tries to bump it [04:49] oh ok. yea set that to 1024 [04:50] yea this is why I enjoy my machine as a router option. I don't have to worry about this one. [04:51] :( [04:51] hunk: how are you configuring the wireless interface? [04:51] kwifimanager [04:52] but i conected whit my router [04:52] if restart all desconfigure [04:52] something tells me english is not hunk's native language [04:53] i speak spanish [04:54] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [04:54] :( [04:55] Panzer, so far so good with just changing the timeouts [04:55] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:56] that ain't bad. hmm. [04:56] Buggaboo (n=bug@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: "A wank a day, keeps the frustrations away" [04:56] hunk: there is a spanish slackware chan I think somewhere. I just don't know it to point you to it [04:56] Panzer, hunk -> ##slackware-es [04:57] only 6 people in there though [04:57] Panzer, hunk -> linux-es [04:57] err [04:57] 0k [04:57] 5 users [04:58] anyways, #debian-es seems to be the largest linux spanish channel i can find [04:58] depending on what you are doing, that *might* be better if its not distro specific [04:58] hunk: try using wicd and see if you get better results. [04:58] funny enough I have had issues with a out of the box wrt54g v6 not being able to pull a dhcp addy on the wireless with the wired section working great. dd-wrt fixed that [04:58] wicd? [04:59] hunk: yep, wicd. [04:59] i read -> http://elcanibal.com/configurar-tu-wireless-desde-consola/ [05:00] hunk: http://packages.slackware.it/package.php?q=12.2/wicd-1.5.9-noarch-1_slack12.2 [05:00] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-155-139.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [05:00] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:00] 0k thks [05:01] ath0 [05:02] edman007: but yea side effect of not having money and using a desktop is I don't have to worry about the number of connections [05:03] heh [05:03] i normally do have a linux box as a router.. [05:03] only reason i have dd-wrt is because at school i use it for the wifi driver part [05:04] oh ok. [05:04] no need to get wifi working on my desktop when i have that router :) [05:04] (my school only has wifi, no wired) [05:05] of course not. my wrt54 v2 is backup connection for when speakeasy dumps [05:05] lol [05:07] Knightingale (n=tp@unaffiliated/knightingale) joined ##slackware. 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[05:16] memtest? [05:16] ccfreak2k: Panzer yeah, i'll do that right away [05:16] P4C0 (n=susana@190.141.75.90) left irc: "leaving" [05:17] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-160-48.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [05:17] I'm pretty sure that memtest86 also supports dumping the results to a file that the Linux kernel can interpret so it won't map bad bytes. [05:18] :( [05:18] strangest thing. couldn't access one of my hds, so i thought maybe one of them was dying. i unplugged each, and eventually unplugged them all save the os one. box wouldn't boot, couldn't get passed post. plugged the drives back in, removed some ram. voila boots. moved the ram chips around, nothing. moved them around some more, voila. i'm in. [05:18] nothinf [05:18] nothing [05:19] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.86.4) joined ##slackware. [05:19] no wifi in my laptop [05:19] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-155-139.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:21] and of course what's strange is that it just happened for no apparent reason--a disk just became inaccessible. didn't bump the tower, didn't hammer it, didn't piss on it or anything. [05:21] ccfreak2k: is that in the main kernel tree now? It used to require a patch (called "badram" IIRC) [05:21] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [05:21] oh well, it works now. memtest tomorrow [05:24] no [05:24] do it now [05:24] all's well that ends well, i guess. disk is now accessible and i can watch my star trek reruns :P [05:24] Urchlay, he says he submitted a patch for inclusion a year ago. [05:25] Panzer: really? is there a good reason why now? [05:25] ah. Been at least 2-3 years since I looked at it [05:26] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: "Leaving" [05:26] Panzer: other than "why put off till tomorrow what you can do today" :P [05:27] cause you might have a problem and that porn you are downloading might get corrupted. Think about the porn man [05:27] Suprisingly, there's a patch for almost every 2.6 release. [05:27] Panzer: hahah well, why didn't you say pr0n. running the test now. [05:28] any you guys ever worked with openssl api? [05:28] if I even think I am having ram issues then I check it now now now. [05:31] Panzer: and of course i happen to have ddr 184-pin; so if it is a ram issue and new ram is needed i'll be paying an arm for at most 1 gb per chip [05:31] *sigh* [05:31] antler, is it some kind of special version of DDR RAM? [05:32] I got a 1GB 266 module for $35. [05:32] yea you will be paying a midgets leg for it [05:32] ccfreak2k: no, not at all. from what i've seen ddr is more expensive than, say, ddr2. about 100 for 2x1gb [05:32] 100cdn [05:33] Maybe for something new. [05:33] LikeVinyl (n=desdemon@200.125.76.26) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:33] that seems unreasonable given that 2x2gb of ddr2 is less than 100 [05:34] (well, where i live anyway) [05:35] compare a new car and a 67 Camaro [05:35] antler [05:35] Maybe semiconducter fabs are just itching to ditch equipment for DDR. [05:35] ddr1 is also still cheap [05:35] which you think will be a bit more costly [05:35] Panzer: so i guess ddr is a soon-to-be-classic? :P [05:36] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-430193.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:36] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-430193.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:36] around 50 euro for 2x1gb modules [05:36] for DDR1 [05:36] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-430193.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:36] soon to be? yea right. IS [05:37] Tyrael: yeah, it's slight more expensive than that where i live [05:37] hunk (n=hunk@190.43.224.209) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:37] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-160-48.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:37] Tyrael: but it's more boggling why ddr is generally less expensive [05:37] why ddr2 [05:37] you mean. [05:38] yeah ddr2 [05:38] because ddr2 is more common [05:38] well considering now that alot more machines use ddr2 and the new machines being sold are ddr2 then it is easy to see [05:38] think its now like 60% ddr2, 40% ddr1 [05:39] Panzer: but then again many companies, etc must still be using ddr [05:39] credo (n=name@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [05:39] you sure about that? [05:39] it must be a method of pursuading them to upgrade [05:39] Panzer: no, just a guess [05:39] and a company does not often upgrade a machine. [05:39] Panzer: yes, that is why i believe many still use ddr [05:40] it don't matter if they still use sdram if they are not going to upgrade the machine over the lifetime of the box. to the ram manu's that machine is dead. [05:41] yes, good point [05:43] heck for that matter most machines are not upgraded. Most consumers just don't do that. and they buy crap hardware to begin with. I have seen to many xp boxen with 256 of whatever ram. [05:45] funny i think of dell [05:46] yes some of them are dell but alot of others did the same thing [05:46] I had a vista laptop the other day with 512 of ram [05:46] i don't know what dell desktops are like now, but a few years ago whatever you buy is generally not upgradeable [05:47] antler, my mother got a Dell fairly recently. It's better than my box. :( [05:47] All of my boxes, actually. [05:47] My Dell laptop is very upgradable. [05:47] Although all of mine are farly old. 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[05:52] I don't ditch my old hardware. [05:52] farabi_1 (n=farabi@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [05:52] You're much better off replacing stock stuff where possible. [05:52] and where did I say you did? [05:53] Where did I accuse you? [05:53] you are telling me that 80gig you replaced with a 1TB is still useful to you? [05:53] For me, yes. [05:53] in what way? [05:54] In the way that 80GB > 0B [05:54] holdmypocket_ (n=hold@24.152.161.62) joined ##slackware. [05:54] ok yes having something is better then nothing [05:54] Panzer: me too actually. i have 2x80gb still, both of which are used for os's only. [05:54] I'd drop the 80 gig in an old white box special and set it to doing something somewhat automated. [05:54] but that does not explain why the need to keep the old parts [05:55] I mean I resell my parts to customers [05:55] Well, I don't usually sell my parts. [05:55] That's probably an important piece of information. [05:55] and there is no reason to keep a cdrom around after you have replaced it with a dvd burner [05:56] direct copy ? [05:56] :P [05:56] but then again I prob see alot more hardware then alot of you [05:56] Depends on where you saw it and how much of it you saw. [05:57] 1800 pounds of crap has been taken to the recycler here in the last little bit [05:57] my little hole in the wall shop [05:57] Then I've probably seen as much. [05:58] and yea I have thought about the get another machine and just move the parts down a hand me down line. But other then messing around with stuff that gets wasteful. A vm can be used to automate stuff too [05:59] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:00] n1hub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:01] obnauticus (n=obnautic@71.236.216.76) joined ##slackware. [06:06] ahuillet (n=ahuillet@63.169.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. 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[06:13] dual 1.2 with 512 pc133 registerd ecc [06:13] that will be bumped up cause I got it laying around [06:13] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:15] hi [06:16] I was wondering whether you would be able to help me with a problem that I have with kcachegrind and kde4 [06:16] I upgraded my slackware to kde 4 packages yesterday, including kdesdk (which contains kcachegrind) [06:16] kcachegrind does start and seems to work fine, but I see no icons and no text in the window [06:17] mmh, actually I see much of the text but not all, that's what I mean [06:17] I use fluxbox, not KDE, and my KDE installation is far from complete (since I don't use it), so I guess I am missing one package [06:17] but I'm a bit surprised that kcachegrind behaves like that [06:18] I'm unsurprised. [06:18] I have the whole KDE4 suite installed, and kcachegrind looks fine to me. [06:18] http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4634/kcachegrindkde4.jpg [06:19] here's a screenshot of what I get [06:19] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:20] ccfreak2k : I guess I can try to install the whole KDE4 suite and then remove packages one by one until it breaks again [06:20] oh by the way, I'm getting an error message that definitely is related to my problem [06:20] kcachegrind(11480)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Error: standard icon theme "oxygen" not found! [06:22] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [06:23] panzer and antler, we (service provider) have 80% ddr2 and 20% ddr1 so no, we dont need much DDR1. and thats on an amount of 10.000 servers [06:28] SpyKee (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [06:28] village (i=village@kudu.in-berlin.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:28] village (i=village@kudu.in-berlin.de) joined ##slackware. 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[08:04] Dan-` (i=Dan@86.55.8.2) left irc: Connection timed out [08:05] morning [08:08] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [08:10] me_ (n=me_@92.24.128.222) joined ##slackware. [08:11] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:12] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:13] hey guys, if i use something like konqueror to back up my remote website to my local machine via ftp, will the permissions for the files change? [08:16] does FTP even do permissions? [08:16] wait...yes it does [08:17] me_, i wouldn't trust it... [08:17] but you could try [08:17] why wouldn't you trust it? [08:17] use rsync for that [08:17] user/group should changes, imo [08:17] just try it [08:17] and, yeah, use rsync [08:18] rsync [08:18] coolies [08:19] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [08:20] what does my brother do on sunday morning? :/ [08:21] Pig_Pen, do we want to know? [08:22] i am sitting in the livingroom having my first cup of coffee watching the sunrise in the window trying to wash the sleepy out of my mind and my brother pulls in to the driveway on his motorcycle, so i go out to greet him and he lights up a left-handed cigarette [08:23] what does a left-handed cigarette look like? [08:23] cigarettes have hands? [08:23] reefer, maryjuwann [08:23] ahh [08:23] ohhhh [08:23] heh, never heard it describe like that [08:23] funny [08:24] are you from the east coast [08:24] slackytude, Pig_Pen makes up his own words sometimes [08:24] a sport-cigarette [08:24] it's actually on urban dictionary [08:24] edman007, nice hobby [08:24] gawd, what a way to start the day, its too early to get toasted, so i say no but enjoy [08:25] http://www.printerdatabase.com/wp-content/uploads/brother-printer-sale-1.jpg [08:25] Sits on your desk waiting for you to print something. [08:25] ccfreak2k, its trying to eat me :( [08:25] Pig_Pen, well, maybe hes awake for some time now [08:25] Action: edman007 woke up at 630pm [08:26] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [08:26] probably having a wild night and stff [08:26] hes been up all night [08:26] hasn't slept yet =\ [08:26] Action: slackytude nods [08:26] heh can you tell [08:26] good time for a sport cigarette then [08:26] he is 50 years old [08:27] oy! more power to him [08:27] The phone rings. You pick it up. "Hello, can I have five minutes of your time?" You think why not and say yes. The phone hangs up. You feel a bit... older. [08:27] grampa on a big yahmaha [08:27] ccfreak2k: I have that printer. [08:27] hit hard by mid life crisis [08:28] i don't know if any of you were here earlier when i had problems with youtube freezing in fullscreen mode.. and some other issues... [08:28] a reboot solved the problem [08:28] *doh [08:28] google for yamaha 1600 [08:28] pi31415 (n=pi31415@98.246.78.78) joined ##slackware. [08:28] bye [08:28] me_ (n=me_@92.24.128.222) left irc: "me_em" [08:29] the other day on slackware 12.2, i fired up a terminal in kde and started screen, then noticed that backspace no longer worked [08:29] Pig_Pen, what does your brothers wife say to that? [08:29] he is divorced [08:29] figures [08:29] with 2 daughters that both have babies [08:30] the daughters are both over 18 [08:30] they keep in contact? [08:30] yeah, a few times a year, they live about 85 miles away [08:31] sounds good. I want to do that to,when Im 50 [08:31] s/to/too [08:31] slackytude: get divorced? [08:31] dont get yourself killed by jealous husband and you'll make it past 50 [08:32] well, maybe not that part of it [08:33] /./win 36 [08:33] i've been using linux for a long time now and I am always impressed how things continually break. [08:33] for example the backspace issue I mentioned a moment ago. broken by default after all these years. [08:34] have not broke a thing here in years, are you wreckless with your system pi31415 [08:34] pi31415: press control+h then [08:34] pi31415: it could be an X config problem. I've had that before [08:34] try using backspace in xterm or something [08:35] mozes: I don't remember configuring X. [08:35] I do remember one time when backspace worked on a ps/2 keyboard but not on a usb keyboard [08:35] only on linux [08:36] could be just a keymap problem. [08:36] you an use xmodmap to try - I don't remember how off the top of my head. [08:36] I thnk it's xmodmap, or xkeymap or something similarly named. [08:36] mozes: thank you for trying to be helpful.. I am experienced fixing these types of problems [08:37] :) [08:39] Knightingale (n=tp@unaffiliated/knightingale) left irc: "Leaving" [08:39] windows has its own problems, but I've never had to remap a backspace key in windows [08:40] I've never had backspace not work. [08:40] nah, you would just reinstall windows then. easier [08:41] chopp: I've frequently run into it. Back in the day I remember that different Linux distributions had different terminfo entries for xterm. I would SSH into a RedHat box from a Debian box and backspace would stop working. [08:41] format c: [08:41] I love it when customers call with proplems with our software and I just say, reinstall windows.they love that [08:42] Knightingale (n=tp@unaffiliated/knightingale) joined ##slackware. [08:42] pi31415: heh yeah I remember stuff like that [08:42] pi31415: I used to set my TERM entry to vt220 or vt100 to avoid it [08:42] reinstall on top of an existing install, thats always a mess [08:43] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [08:43] does anyone else have issues with unco audacious playlist window resizing? [08:44] audacious should be renamed atrocious [08:45] I like it [08:45] This is the first time I've seen the word unco used outside of a book [08:46] what's it supposed to mean anyway? [08:46] A monkey's unco [08:47] i use audacious without any problems [08:47] its australian slang for uncoordinated [08:47] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.26) joined ##slackware. [08:47] I've read it used in 19th century Scottish books [08:47] since watching flight of the conchords I have a sligt dislike for austrlia [08:48] Im too easily impressed [08:48] oh might not originally from aus [08:48] guys help me out with apache and htaccess plz [08:48] slackytude whys that? [08:48] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:48] http://stooryduster.co.uk/pages06/unco.htm [08:48] unco: hardly recognizeable, weird. [08:49] Knightingale, you know the series? [08:49] need to add htaccess to my apache web server and to awstats [08:49] UNCOordinated [08:49] any one help me out with this [08:49] tntslack, #apache? [08:49] slackytude. yeh its great [08:50] Knightingale, yeah, but there is this rivality between NZ and Aus. like when the one dude had a gf from australia [08:51] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [08:53] anyone got issues with pidgin on current ? [08:53] sometimes , the application just hangs [08:53] need to restart it [08:54] kleanchap (n=chatzill@69.143.107.103) joined ##slackware. [08:55] slackytude there isn't much rivalry only in sports.. how about the american tho claims he hates nz'ders, but forgot he really hated aussies [08:55] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:56] Knightingale, yeah that was a fun episode ^-^ [08:56] npad|home (n=nick@pool-173-66-2-167.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:56] and when they were on a paty by the aussie embassy [08:56] An IRC friend told me about one of his buddies who shouted at a French dude in the cafeteria "We kicked your butt in 1776!" [08:58] thats the independence war? [08:58] slack_china (n=slack_ch@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [08:58] Mar 22 20:11:39 darkstar kernel: mbcache: exports duplicate symbol mb_cache_entry_find_next (owned by kernel) [08:58] Mar 22 20:11:39 darkstar kernel: jbd: exports duplicate symbol journal_force_commit (owned by kernel) [08:58] MrDusty (n=dusty@88-105-98-217.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [08:59] what happened?? [08:59] slack_china, using hughe kernel? [08:59] yes.. [08:59] slackytude: yes, when France was our ally [08:59] huge-smp [08:59] slack_china, thats the problem [09:00] but i can enter system normal..!!why !! [09:00] pi31415, eh, you kicked your allies butt? or was that just clueless? [09:00] slack_china, the error is that the module is already in kenerl, yet udev tries to load it again. system is still useable [09:01] slacktude ...i use amd 7750 cpu ..which kernel i can choose !! [09:01] clueless [09:01] pi31415, RIGHT [09:01] damn caps [09:02] is that udev show message....?? [09:02] slack_china, not the huge but generic. you might need an initrd tho. or just leave it [09:02] i am use huge-smp now .but need initrd too.... [09:03] slack_china, usually, you use hugh only for install or emergencys and switch to generic [09:03] huh, initrd with huge? [09:04] huge-smp need make initrd [09:04] what for? [09:05] if no make initrd.gz ...huge-smp kernel appear panic ...... [09:05] perhaps i do it wrong... [09:06] not wrong, just unusual [09:06] in any case, you could switch to generic, remake initrd and have the messages disappear [09:06] or just ignore them [09:06] Action: slackytude ignored it for about 6months or so [09:07] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-71-230.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:07] why six months ? [09:08] slack_china: the huge-smp does not need an initrd, only the generic does [09:08] I was lazy [09:08] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-25-99.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [09:09] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:09] oh .i can try it remove initrd=/boot/initrd.gz lins with grub when boot [09:10] thanks . slackytude..i love you [09:10] ^-^ [09:10] no sweat [09:10] haha, i am cool... [09:10] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [09:10] i go to try it .... [09:11] good -bye [09:11] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:11] slack_china (n=slack_ch@59.72.110.45) left irc: "‚»" [09:11] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [09:12] GsXs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:15] slack_china (n=slack_ch@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [09:16] that message because i use huge-smp and use initrd.gz ...so appear [09:16] aha [09:17] thanks slackytude [09:17] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:17] i forget it ..amazing [09:17] you are welcome [09:17] greetings alkos333 [09:18] i change to generic when i after download it [09:19] change must use init 1 ?? [09:19] no. just change lilo, make initrd and reboot [09:20] be sure to keep your old kernel entry in llilo, tho [09:20] i don't use lilo .i like grub [09:20] well, same thing [09:21] hehe i removepkg old kernel normal..when installpkg new kernel [09:21] danger hehe [09:22] no going back then [09:23] i can use first install disk enter ..and chroot [09:23] yes [09:24] trouble things [09:29] slack_china (n=slack_ch@59.72.110.45) left irc: "‚»" [09:33] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Success [09:42] slack_china (n=slack_ch@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [09:43] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [09:44] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.131.133) joined ##slackware. [09:44] What is the package in Slackware that displays a different quote for each shell you open? [09:45] bsdgames? [09:45] aye [09:45] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:46] Is it possible to customize bsdgames to display only a couple of quotes that I/user likes? [09:46] kleanchap, or just install fortune cookies [09:46] kleanchap, you can edit the fortune databse files [09:46] but it has thousands of quotes [09:46] dios_mio: Thnx! [09:46] kleanchap, welcome... do a locate fortune ,, after a updatebd [09:47] I wanted to limit it to a couple that I like. [09:47] kleanchap, the program that runs them is called fortune [09:47] eh, probably easier to write fortune databse from sratch [09:47] yes [09:47] dios_mio: Thnx again for the help! [09:47] kleanchap welcome :) [09:48] slackytude: What's up [09:48] slackytude: That was delayed response .. sorry, was doing laundry :) [09:48] *was a delayed [09:48] alkos333, not much, just relaxing and looking forwrd to next semester [09:48] alkos333, no problem ^-^ [09:48] alkos333, how are you doing? [09:49] i thinks how to thank slackytude!! [09:49] slack_china, I didnt do much ^-^ you are welcome anyway [09:50] slackytude: doing pretty good..this is my second semestor and will be over in May.. I'm taking 3 CSCI classes - one of them on systems architectures - love that class. [09:50] np.. [09:50] YAY SBo updates [09:50] alkos333, CSCI ? [09:51] alkos333, this is my 4th semester. doing rfid and robot stuff this year ^-^ [09:52] CSCI yes.. Computer Science :) [09:52] eh, could have guessed that [09:53] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [09:54] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-31-222.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [09:58] dusty__ (n=dusty@88-105-32-202.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [10:00] gartt_ (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:01] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. 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[10:19] thinking in buying one [10:19] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:19] but if it doesnt run linux , i dont want [10:20] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-188-158.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [10:20] frullet_ (n=hooch@124-170-188-158.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [10:21] DeeeeP, severeal people here got an eeepc with slack. not sure about the excat model, tho [10:21] yeah , i've read here some users talking about some eeepc models [10:21] ill ask later [10:28] Taskatech (n=chatzill@75.143.165.1) joined ##slackware. [10:29] DeeeeP: you can take a look here, though I don't know the exact model it's about: http://www.slackwiki.org/EeePC [10:29] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-147-165.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. 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[10:48] tntslack (n=will@adsl9-26.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:48] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:48] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:52] I am a realative newbie to linux and have just downloaded slackware the other day. I have been reading the Book and familiarizing myself w/the command lines etc... using the Firefox browser, I find I need to install the Adobe flashpalyer to view a website that I need. I have tried on my own but am unsuccessful with it. Can someone show me what I need to do to download a file like this and... [10:52] ...install it? [10:53] Taskatech: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/multimedia/flash-player-plugin/ [10:53] Taskatech, go to adobe homepage , and download it [10:53] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/multimedia/flash-player-plugin/ ? [10:53] and before that http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [10:53] doh, BP{k} has been faster :p [10:55] DeeeeP: the Adobe homepage download says I have to manually download the file...which has been a futile effort so far. I will go to slackbuilds.org and see if I can get some info there. Thanks [10:55] right [10:56] you can manually do it too [10:56] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A77261.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:56] [ in bed ] ? ;) [10:57] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A77261.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:57] Taskatech, anyone answered you already? [10:57] BP{k}, hahaha [10:58] I'm @ slackbuilds reading the howto [10:59] greetings Old_Fogie [11:00] hi slackytude [11:00] aye. you might want to check out sbopkg.org, too. its a frontend for slackbuilds.org [11:00] shitty connection :( [11:01] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:03] militant (n=militant@unaffiliated/militant) joined ##slackware. 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[11:27] i've always thought it was something that tcpdump had its own language and virtual machine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Packet_Filter [11:27] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:29] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-25-99.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [11:29] oops, wrong channel [11:30] Taskatech (n=chatzill@75.143.165.1) joined ##slackware. [11:31] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [11:34] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl8-70-238.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [11:35] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [11:35] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.244.236) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:35] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] Still no luck on the Adobe Flashplayer install. :-( The download is not comparable to the slackbuilder site's example. I download the file and unpack it but nothing happens (even in root) [11:38] Nothing happens as in it does not install when clicking on the install adobe flashplayer "install" icon [11:39] ........ [11:39] Taskatech, huh? [11:39] you are doing .. what?? [11:39] did you actually read the howto? [11:39] wait .. let me rephrase that. [11:39] yes [11:39] did you actually _understand_ the howto. [11:40] what did you actually do? [11:40] mac- (i=mac@194.176.102.39) joined ##slackware. [11:40] hi [11:40] someone working on SiS 315 with or w/o TV output ? [11:41] BP{k}: let me get bak to you on that...I have to go. I'll reread the howto and try to better understand it. Thanks [11:43] Taskatech: the slackbuild script for flash at slackbuilds.org has never failed me [11:43] alisonken1home1 (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-175-47.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:44] I guess I do not understand it yet [11:44] probably ^-^ [11:44] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-175-47.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:44] :-) [11:44] Taskatech (n=chatzill@75.143.165.1) left ##slackware. [11:45] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "leaving" [11:50] me_ (n=me_@92.24.128.222) joined ##slackware. [11:51] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.131.4) joined ##slackware. [11:56] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.131.4) left irc: "leaving" [11:56] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.131.4) joined ##slackware. [11:57] anyone good with gimp? [11:58] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl8-71-197.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:00] I'm good at googling for info on how to do something with gimp =) [12:01] #gimp [12:03] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [12:05] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [12:06] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.32.132) joined ##slackware. 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[12:33] or mysql [12:34] & virtualbox [12:34] has virtualbox a ibm pendant? [12:34] psychicist, i'm sure those were unfounded rumors, i dont believe for a second it will happen [12:35] just have to wait & see what happens after the dust settles, thats one giant swallowing another giant [12:36] Pig_Pen: that too, but I'm mostly worried about sparc and if it has a future without sun backing it, it would me a shame if it disappeared (if only because it's the only completely open architecture) [12:36] well, sun is pretty slim compared to ibm [12:36] sun is really small when compared to ibm [12:36] maybe a good weapon to point at Microsoft's portfolio [12:36] and sparc is pretty much doomed as it is if rock doesnt shine [12:37] opensource sparc with any OS, *BSD, Linux, Solaris [12:38] sparc is opensource [12:38] at least the T1 and T2 are, gpl and everything [12:39] with all the goodness of MySQL, VirtualBox, if IBM can do and wants to [12:39] ibm has db2 they dont need mysql [12:39] dont forget Java [12:39] I can see VBox coming in handy for IBM, but mysql? [12:39] yeah [12:40] nachox: previously heard "sun has postgres, they don't need mysql" [12:40] i can see things like sun rays and sun secure global desktop as useful stuff for ibm, they have nothing in the thin client market [12:40] GArik_ (n=wesnoth@mpd-2532.tvcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:40] huh? sun has postgres? [12:41] i bet Sun Microsystems ("we are the Dot in dot com") has a lot of code, StarOffice too [12:41] well, they don't own it, just fund a lot of it's deveflopment iirc [12:41] fred, sun didnt own posgres, they just had some of it's core developers, i still think buying mysql was a BAD idea [12:41] oh, what about open office, ibm has lotus ^-^ [12:41] merge [12:41] ibm has symphony which is based on openoffice [12:42] they would be pretty stupid to let Ooo die, tho [12:42] nachox, oh, didnt kno wthat [12:42] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [12:42] cacao74 (n=cacao74@host-62-10-42-91.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [12:43] slackytude, why? if openoffice doesnt produce money, there is no reason to keep funding it, shareholders will be happier [12:43] DeeeeP (i=1003@81.193.100.177) joined ##slackware. [12:43] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-31-222.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [12:50] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:50] they produce it because they rock [12:50] nachox, it is one of the main weapons against MS, no? [12:50] what good alternatives are their for MS Office [12:51] I think openoffice and java are the ones that will certainly survive because they're universally used and developed. the prospects for solaris (merge with or replace aix?) and sparc (unfortunately, never a true volume architecture like x86/arm/mips/ppc) aren't so good [12:51] s/their/there [12:51] slackytude, weapons? sun doesnt even compete in the same market microsoft does, they do not sell workstations [12:52] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [12:52] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:54] nachox, Im not good at marketing speech, maybe I mean assets instead of weapons. wouldnt it help IBM if people were migrating away from MS? OOo seems to be vital for that. Not in ther server market, true [12:54] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:54] IBM have their own office suite though. One of my worries is that they could drop OOo for it [12:54] ibm sells microsoft support and microsoft licenses [12:55] also Sun makes a paid for suite called Star Office [12:55] and who exactly buys that? [12:55] person (n=ed@92.20.199.208) joined ##slackware. [12:55] not enough [12:56] well for example it was one of the recommended suites to use by the Open Oniversity [12:56] University* [12:56] they will only support MS office or star office [12:56] Um, is there a practical way of checking package dependencies? [12:56] that's quite a few students [12:57] person, ldd the binary, look for missing libraries, find what packages have the said libs, install them [12:57] IBM's suite sucks compared to OOo though imo [12:58] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.244.236) left irc: "Saliendo" [12:58] so I hope they keep OOo running [12:58] they still push it, tho [12:58] Action: slackytude shrugs [12:58] nachox, is this what you do? [12:58] me_ (n=me_@92.24.128.222) left irc: "me_em" [12:58] mysql and ooo are opensource, so, even if ibm drops them, they might continue [12:59] person, no, i dont use slackware :P [12:59] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:59] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-31-222.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:59] slackytude, sun contributes almost all the active development to both those products [13:00] nachox, yes, which I said "might" continue [13:00] s/wich/which is why [13:01] I expect another OSS SQL would spring up if they drop it [13:02] It's too widely used [13:02] I doubt mysql would fail if ibm sropped it [13:02] eh, like postgres? [13:02] dropped* [13:03] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [13:03] how hard/easy is it to migrate from mysql to postgres? [13:03] as far as converting db's go [13:03] depends [13:04] got a lot of stored procedures and triggers? [13:04] no idea - I have it for a forum but have no clue as to the inner workings [13:04] does your client app use mysql subteletys? do you use a orm? [13:05] it can be anything from half an hour to severeal days work [13:05] I wasn't really talking about myself - more of a general question [13:05] is there a commandline traceroute with a map in it? [13:05] like a command line Visual Route type app [13:05] dive, I was asking rhetorical questions [13:06] k [13:06] dive, the correct answer is, depends ^-^ [13:07] my workplace is going to switch from MSSQL to some OSS db "real soon" [13:07] lots and lots of SP in that DB [13:07] no fun [13:08] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-146.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:11] ecks- (n=explicit@c-24-19-202-155.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:16] yht (i=1000@114.121.68.227) joined ##slackware. [13:16] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host90-236-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:18] maggot_ (n=maggot@aada135.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [13:19] Mornin all. [13:19] good evening ^-^ [13:28] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. 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[13:54] Sorry [13:55] I'm talking crap [13:55] dive: www.sane-project.org ? [13:55] yeah [13:55] person, no need to apologies, I could have my answer phrased better, too [13:55] Thanks :) [13:55] theres a driver support list [13:55] Correction: I made a PACKAGE with a slackbuild for an installation of slackware then I did a fresh installation of slackware. Is it sensible to use the old PACKAGE? [13:55] dive: yeah, sane.org is something else ;) [13:55] person, same slack version? then yes [13:56] person, you ought to run the slackbuild again if you upgrade slackware [13:56] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:56] yes slackytude and thanks [13:56] ah yeah I remember now sane.org isn't quite the same ;-) [13:56] heh [13:59] thanks all [13:59] higuita7 (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [13:59] Now I'm yet to find a means of package management I'm keen on [13:59] dive: Nice, that helps a lot, thanks. HP seems ok [13:59] person, pkgtool, sbopkg, slackpkg.. [13:59] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.32.132) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:00] hing (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [14:00] mannynix, check the model before you buy though [14:00] installpkg, removepkg, etc are painful, slackpkg avoids a lot of pain but still lacks dependency checking, slapt-get is unsupported... [14:00] sbopkg? never heard of that one [14:00] sbopkg.org [14:00] dive: Yeah, that's why that list is a great help ;) [14:00] downloads, builds and installs slack packages from slackbuilds.org [14:01] Like portage? [14:01] Thanks for the link [14:01] yeah, in a sense [14:01] What would be the main difference? [14:01] Less customisation? [14:01] less complex overall? [14:01] heh, emerge -pv sbopkg [14:01] person, it doesn't do dependency checking [14:01] I see [14:02] and less complex, Id say [14:02] so read the README and have a look see what deps there are [14:02] for each package [14:02] Hmm, I like slackware but I'm sorry... its package management is /not/ my cup of tea [14:02] mostly if there are deps they will be on slackbuilds.org too [14:02] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [14:02] I remember using NetBSD pkgsrc on slackware with some success [14:02] At least it's got a sensible installer though, unlike the freebsd one which couldn't detect my cd drive and kept on making me start over -_- [14:02] so make a build queue add all the needed pkgs in t [14:03] person: we don't mind :) you only need a flame-retartand suit if you claim it doesn't have one [14:03] pi31415: Have you tried draco? [14:03] mannynix: i have not [14:04] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:04] nice [14:04] I did in the past. Pretty good: http://www.dracolinux.org/ Uses pkgsrc iirc [14:04] fred: doesn't have a what? [14:04] package manager. [14:04] I see :P [14:05] all slackware pkg tools are dynamically linked to one main tool [14:05] it's called 'the brain' ;p [14:05] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-58-107.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [14:05] "ALSA is not supported, Draco uses OSS." strange [14:05] o0 [14:06] which kernel they use? [14:06] 2.2? [14:06] didn't know. I tried it about 2 years ago iirc. It was based on slackware [14:06] 2.6 [14:07] no alsa? wtf? [14:07] probably some political reasons going there [14:07] Last time I used gentoo I was using paludis, really good but too complex (maybe) http://paludis.pioto.org/ [14:08] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "reboot" [14:08] tntslack (n=will@adsl138-110.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:08] Nick change: Tyrael -> Tyrael_ [14:09] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:09] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [14:10] I like how small draco is. 15M for an .iso of the base system. [14:11] I remember it was good, and I could also install the nvidia driver and compile a custom kernel [14:12] But I also liked portage better than pkgsrc (/me hides) [14:12] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:12] greetings and salutations [14:12] andarius: Greetings. How are you? [14:12] hunk (n=hunk@201.240.44.92) joined ##slackware. [14:13] hi andarius [14:13] hi [14:13] salutations firebird619, i am well for having just got up. you ? [14:13] I suspect Python would be easier to read than pkgsrc .mk files [14:13] salutations dive and hunk [14:13] where save the wireless config? [14:13] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:13] andarius: I am great. I just got up a couple hours ago, watching the NASCAR race now. :) [14:14] yo firebird619 , andarius [14:14] and trying to figure out irssi. It doesn't auto identify like I told it to, and my name is white so I can't see it. [14:14] hunk: try /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf and /etc/rc.d/rc.wireless.conf [14:14] slackytude: salutations [14:14] slackytude: Hello. How are you? [14:15] firebird619, fine, fine, just reading dailywtf [14:15] _RaNdY (i=randy@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [14:16] andarius, thanks i look [14:16] looks like the iptables guys are working in a new firewall implementation [14:17] nftables, new syntax to learn and everything [14:17] mikk0 (n=mikk01@85.77.234.71) joined ##slackware. [14:17] hello [14:17] nachox, link? [14:18] Why does Linux get so much rototilling? [14:18] http://lwn.net/Articles/324251/ [14:18] hunk, /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [14:18] tntslack (n=will@adsl138-110.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:18] and /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf [14:18] :O [14:19] a second plz [14:20] I see andarius beat me to it ;P [14:20] i did not mention the wpa_supplicant file ;) [14:20] ah [14:21] wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [14:21] im trying to install avant-window-navigator, it's looking for a library libavahi-glib.la ; I tried installing avahi, and it's telling me qt-mt is not found and is a dependency of avahi, yet i have Qt4 installed? ...I was under the impression qt4 and qt3 were not good to coexist. [14:22] dscpl0 (n=sulo@cpe.atm2-0-76461.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:22] Hi [14:22] dartmouth, qt3 will live happily with qt4 - use the slackbuild.org qt4 [14:22] How do I get switching between applications using alt-tab working in KDE? [14:23] slackytude, http://www.osnews.com/comments/21173 [14:23] dive, so I should reinstall qt4 (im using -current) as well as install qt3 from SB? [14:23] nachox, thx [14:23] dscpl0, it depends on your setup. check #kde or #compiz-fusion [14:23] srn9 (n=bones@24-113-45-244.wavecable.com) joined ##slackware. [14:23] dartmouth, ah -current - different then [14:23] dartmouth, allright, thanks [14:23] C4ntu (n=_@200-103-170-223.cscgo701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:24] C4ntu (n=_@200-103-170-223.cscgo701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware ("[CyberScript]"). [14:24] dartmouth, I've not had to install qt3 in -current so can't answer that [14:24] hrmmmm. [14:25] I'm sure that has though so someone will know [14:25] s/has/someone has/ [14:26] RaNdY (i=randy@unaffiliated/randy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:30] so is there any way to cycle through hard drives with cfdisk? [14:30] farabi (n=farabi@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [14:30] cycle through? [14:30] yes [14:30] wat: yes, e.g., cfdisk /dev/hda, cfdisk /dev/hdb, etc., [14:30] i have two internal hard drives but only my windows hard drive appears [14:30] antler thank you so much [14:31] wat (i=wat@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:32] srn9 (n=bones@24-113-45-244.wavecable.com) left ##slackware. [14:35] fscannav (n=fabio@host165-47-dynamic.30-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:40] wow only one night and calgary is shivering under a thick blanket of snow; if i didn't know better i'd say calgary weather IS the seventh sign [14:50] Nick change: hunk -> WindMaker [14:50] Tyrael_ (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:50] Tyrael (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:51] Ojg|laptop (n=Ojg@83.209.133.140) left irc: "Leaving" [14:51] dadexter_laptop (n=martin@modemcable229.25-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:53] Is there a way in irssi to change the color of join/quit messages? I don't want to change the theme, just colors. I've been googling, but I haven't found any help for changing join/quit colors. [14:53] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:53] []cipher (n=cipher@41.252.0.181) joined ##slackware. [14:54] http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fail-book-rental1.jpg [14:54] v4nelle (n=van@adsl134-146.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:55] firebird619, erm #irssi might help with that [14:55] also /help format [14:56] dive: Ok. Sorry, I forgot there was an #irssi channel. Thanks. [14:57] eddief2 (n=eddie@pool-68-160-217-171.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:57] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [14:59] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [14:59] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: Client Quit [15:00] dadexter_laptop (n=martin@modemcable146.41-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:00] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [15:01] cacao74 (n=cacao74@host-62-10-42-91.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) left ##slackware. [15:02] agentc0re, lol [15:03] slackytude: Man, i wonder where that person lives. [15:03] heh. [15:04] agentc0re, heh, not anywhere close to a library [15:04] lol [15:04] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.26.225) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:06] WindMaker (n=hunk@201.240.44.92) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:10] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:10] me_ (n=me_@92.24.128.222) joined ##slackware. [15:12] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-58-107.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [15:12] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host90-236-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "byez" [15:12] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:13] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-58-107.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [15:13] so i need to back up my remotely hosted website [15:13] someone earlier suggested rsync [15:14] but apparently i need rsync on the remote server [15:14] godaddy don't want me in their server [15:14] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] any other fabulous ideas or just ftp? [15:14] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:15] fscannav (n=fabio@host165-47-dynamic.30-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [15:15] rsync can use ssh [15:15] yeah [15:15] me_: their cpanel doesn't have a backup option? [15:15] rsync -avz -e ssh remoteuser@remotehost:/remote/dir /this/dir/ [15:15] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [15:16] DeeeeP, the -e ssh aint needed, afaik [15:16] ok [15:16] agentc0re, i don't tend to use their cpanel, I'll have a look [15:16] and DeeeeP, i wouldn't need rsync installed the other end? [15:16] no [15:16] just sshd [15:16] its nifty [15:16] cool [15:18] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-67-65-197-68.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [15:27] hunk (n=hunk@201.240.44.92) joined ##slackware. [15:27] HIIIII [15:27] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:27] thanks dive :) [15:27] mi wifi all fine :) [15:27] np [15:27] :D [15:27] Action: hunk white wireless.. [15:27] xD [15:27] Action: hunk whit wireless.. [15:27] xD [15:27] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [15:27] Channel flood from hunk -- kicking [15:27] shit [15:27] hunk kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [15:27] tntslack (n=will@adsl138-110.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:27] lol? [15:27] lol [15:27] hunk (n=hunk@201.240.44.92) joined ##slackware. [15:27] lmao [15:27] xD [15:28] im a qustion. why i need type "sudo /sbin/installpkg" and not "sudo installpkg" [15:28] :S:( [15:28] path [15:29] why :(? [15:29] /sbin is not in users path [15:29] :(... [15:29] and...?? [15:29] only in root's [15:29] hunk: you can add it in your path, /etc/profile [15:29] and thats why you have to give the aboslute path [15:29] nice [15:29] you can add it [15:29] but I woudn't [15:30] makes you remember that you are doing something potentially hazardous ;-) [15:30] :( [15:30] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.72.128) joined ##slackware. [15:30] GsXs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:31] of course you could just do 'su -' [15:33] http://pastebin.com/d44d1a8b9 [15:33] hunk, that means only root gets that path [15:35] Lord_Khelben (n=null@79.103.242.156) joined ##slackware. [15:36] hello slackers [15:36] Hi Lord_Khelben [15:36] evening [15:37] maxiz (n=max@91.190.39.53) joined ##slackware. [15:37] or perhaps afternoon or morning :-) [15:37] slackytude, now??? [15:38] lucasagomes (n=lucasgom@189-68-139-173.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:38] hunk, its 20:38 [15:38] xDD [15:39] ... [15:39] how enable my "$PATH" [15:39] :S :( :( :( [15:40] hunk, 'export PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/any/other/you/want' in ~/.bashrc [15:40] hello. Who can tell me why my slack 12.2 processes creates with different pids? I mean.. sometimes pids starts from 800, sometimes, for example, apache runs with pid 3000 where in the same time last pid in process list has only, lets say, 1000. ideas? [15:41] before everything was ok.. new process - new highest pid number [15:41] (before upgrading to slack 12.2) [15:41] maxiz, are sure that 1000 is the highest? 'ps aux' [15:42] yes [15:42] thats as an example [15:42] I guess they have some reserved start slots [15:42] currently proftpd has pid 31495, but any new process has 9xx pid [15:42] I have loads of gaps [15:42] i think maxiz means that they are not incremental [15:43] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@79.101.208.105) left irc: "Leaving" [15:43] anyway, is there a way to make everything like I want? new process - new highest id, incremental :) [15:43] thats how it was before. I dont understand why its like this now [15:44] dunno really - I guess it comes down to the kernel [15:44] which version was you using before? [15:45] before.. khm.. slack 10.x, if really i dont know. But it had kernel 2.6.x [15:45] yesterday upgraded at least [15:45] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A77261.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:46] damn :(, i not found bashrc [15:46] hunk, create it [15:46] :O [15:46] hablas español? [15:46] touch ~/.bashrc [15:47] hunk, non [15:47] :O [15:47] xD [15:47] sorry [15:48] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A77261.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:48] die imposer! [15:48] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [15:49] xD [15:50] me_ (n=me_@92.24.128.222) left irc: "me_em" [15:51] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-58-107.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "= leaving" [15:51] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [15:51] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:52] maxiz (n=max@91.190.39.53) left irc: "leaving" [15:52] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-58-107.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [15:52] http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tools/17142.htmlç [15:52] http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tools/17142.html [15:54] personally I put aliases in ~/.alias and source it from .bashrc [15:54] keeps it tidier [15:54] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:54] and I don't have scroll through 101 aliases to find the function or export I want to check [15:55] i not understand :( [15:56] wat (n=user@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:56] he is saying he keeps his config files clean by having different sections in different files and has one file load the other config files [15:56] when installing slackware i make the linux swap bootable correct? [15:56] i have two partitions for linux, the main linux partition, and linux swap [15:56] wat, I don't think so [15:56] hmm [15:57] i installed slackware on my backup pc last night as a test and it worked, im just making sure [15:57] wat: lilo doesn't any partition to be marked bootable [15:57] wat, the linux partition doesn't have to be flagged bootable [15:57] so lord_khelben dont make any partition bootable? [15:57] wat, yes that would still work, but it's not correct to do that. you want to if anything, make the partition that has / as the bootable one, and _not_ swap. [15:57] normally you mark bootable the / partition or the /boot one [15:57] but it isn't needed [15:57] ah ok [15:58] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:58] so i dont need to mark anything bootable? [15:58] not for linux [15:58] kk [15:58] use / as bootable unless you have a seperate /boot [15:58] only for windows [15:58] wat the normal dos mbr checks for the first partition marked as bootable [15:58] and i need the main linux partition and linux swap, is that all? [15:58] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@161.184.42.190) joined ##slackware. [15:58] and then it runs the first sector of it [15:58] am i missing any partitions? [15:58] lilo doesn't need it [15:58] doesnt it depend on if lilo is installed to mbr or superblock? then you need the bootable flag? [15:58] wat, thats enough, altho people like to put /home a´on a third partition [15:59] kk [15:59] tank-man: yes [15:59] slackytude would i need that? [15:59] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:59] yeah /home is good to keep separate [15:59] so i put that on a different partition? [15:59] wat, you could replace the whole OS and keep you /home [15:59] k [15:59] slackware doesnt create a /home? [15:59] only if you tell it to [16:00] err [16:00] kk [16:00] thanks for all your help [16:00] also [16:00] slackware does not create any partitions [16:00] there wiill be a /home, of couse [16:00] i am using the slackware dvd and it doesnt include irssi [16:00] it says "irssi command not found" or something along that line [16:00] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [16:00] wat: irssi is included. it is in the n/ series [16:01] did you do a full install ? [16:01] i dont have it installed yet [16:01] ah you meant it isn't included in the install dvd [16:01] it might be a good idea to include irssi on the install dvd so people can get assistance while installing, seems a bit odd in my opinion [16:01] yeah lord_khelben exactly [16:02] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:02] ok im off to install slackware [16:02] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:02] ok wat good luck [16:03] see you after some minutes [16:03] cfdisk says more than one partition is marked bootable, dos mbr cannot boot this, is that normal? [16:03] heh, yeah, lets make pat open up another terminal when you boot from cd/dvd whith an irssi client autoconnected to this channel [16:03] great fun [16:03] wat: you only want one parition with the bootable flag [16:04] wat: the dos mbr expects only one partition to be bootable [16:04] so this is normal because lilo will be installed, correct? [16:04] no [16:04] hmm [16:04] just remove the bootable flag on all the partitions [16:04] lord_khelben so i should remove the boot flag on swap correct? [16:05] yes [16:05] wat: yes [16:05] kk [16:05] can i leave the boot flag on windows? [16:05] yes [16:05] k [16:05] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-119-229.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:05] windows needs it afaik [16:05] yes, or windows might get confused and show you a blue screen [16:06] windows is so easily confused [16:06] so am I [16:06] thank you [16:06] i remember someone in here saying that boot flags don't matter... could be wrong [16:06] Action: dive gets his bsod out [16:06] mikk0 (n=mikk01@85.77.234.71) left irc: [16:06] it doesn't matter on linux [16:06] antler: I suppose it could have been /dev/sda [16:06] i like windows, i have never gotten a virus with it [16:06] boot flags don't matter with lilo. [16:06] wat: you actually like windows [16:06] Heya,folks...How's all for the day/night(dependin' where y'are)? [16:06] i dont get why linux users bash windows :< [16:06] Action: aceofspades19 smacks wat [16:06] its not a bad operating system [16:06] I don't bash windows [16:06] wat, yes, it is [16:06] wat: i use xp :P [16:07] wat: I guess you never heard of whats called a botnet [16:07] same here :P [16:07] I do bash closed propriety file formats though [16:07] tinyxp rev09 here [16:07] Just rip the registry and all will be good...:D [16:07] aceofspades19 of course i have [16:07] im on my dads laptop right now :P [16:07] any os that you have to run as superuser to run anything useful is bad [16:08] i like how straight forward the slackware installer is [16:08] Nick change: hunk -> WindMaker [16:08] Sorry,couldn't help myself with the window bashing comment [16:08] so one question about slackware, it uses pkgtool right? [16:08] when did sata come out? [16:08] yes [16:08] as its package manager* [16:08] I know people who like the registery [16:08] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:08] so, how do you use pkgtool? [16:08] wat: run the command pkgtool ? [16:08] I like the concept of the registry but not the reality. [16:08] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:08] wat, did someone point you to the slackbook ? [16:08] wat, pkgtool, slackpkg, installpkg, upgradepkg, removepkg, sbopkg.. [16:08] wat: http://slackbook.org [16:09] the registry, like communism, is good in theory [16:09] how would i install a program with pkgtool, can i have an example. agentc0re ive already read it im just double checking [16:09] aceofspades19: communism is good in theory? :P [16:09] Conceptually, having a single configuration API and having all of the configuration in 1 place could make things easier. [16:09] realistically it fails badly [16:09] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [16:10] mikk0 (n=mikk01@KMMMCDLXX.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [16:10] dive: but I think it COULD work [16:10] wat: all explained in slackbook chapter 18 or see pkgtool(8) and assorted manpages [16:10] it's fine until some badly written program corrupts it [16:10] antler: well if humans weren't greedy it would work [16:10] dive: the API should not allow a program to corrupt it. [16:10] or if you need to copy it to a different pc [16:10] or there's a power out [16:10] We are a greedy lot...:D [16:11] dive: just as the Linux filesystem code does not allow a program to corrupt /etc [16:11] pi31415, it shouldn't but.. [16:11] wow slackware is very do it yourself [16:11] wat: thats the point [16:11] wat, aye [16:11] wat: of course. [16:11] but gentoo installation is just ridiculous [16:11] uggh gentoo [16:11] the minimal install cd is hell [16:11] not hell, that's the point of it [16:12] gentoo is good if you like to spend hours watching text go past [16:12] this [16:12] is [16:12] i hate gentoo [16:12] SPARTTTTTTAAA! [16:12] I have never tried gentoo but I love their wiki [16:12] aceofspades19: :) [16:12] aceofspades19: lmao [16:12] why do you like their wiki [16:12] xDDD [16:12] when I showed me mates that in linux, all configuration is in .files or in /etc and you can just, you know, *COPY* it they went all big eyed O_O [16:12] sheesh windows admins [16:12] pi31415: agreed, their wiki is .. or was .. awesome :) [16:12] wat: because they document some things that are otherwise not well documented [16:12] o [16:12] ok [16:13] you know what grinds my gears [16:13] people that use u and r instead of you and are [16:13] that's one good thing about gentoo - you do find some good howtos and stuff [16:13] wat: u r one of those people? [16:13] wat: you know what grind *my* gears? [16:13] ubuntu has that too [16:13] ps i know that is from family guy, the grind my gears thing, i hate family guy [16:13] aceofspades19 of course not [16:13] wat: U can't take net speak? [16:13] and when i misspell a word i always correct it :) [16:13] o rly? [16:14] >_< [16:14] KTHXBAI [16:14] ;_; [16:14] people who feel the need to press the enter key so often as you do. [16:14] WindMaker (n=hunk@201.240.44.92) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:14] pi31415: it's You, not 'U' [16:14] hehe [16:14] Ya, their wiki was really great. It's a shame it took a dump and was for the most part unrecoverable. I'm sure google had the whole thing cached and should have just offered to give them what they have before it gets cleared. [16:14] how can you hate family guy? :S [16:14] dive: Because it's annoying? [16:14] recycled jokes, not funny anymore, basically LOL FART JOKE LOL STEWIE TRIES TO KILL LOIS LOL BRIAN AND STEWIE ADVENTURE LOL FART JOKE REPEAT 5 TIMES [16:15] lol [16:15] lol [16:15] the bird is the word [16:15] ok I get the point :-) [16:15] thumbs: Art thou seriously proposing that we use correct grammar on IRC? [16:15] i chose the full install for slackware :) [16:15] pi31415 i use correct spelling :D [16:15] wat, good iead [16:15] and grammar [16:15] idea [16:15] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:15] lol dyslexic [16:15] pi31415: I am suggesting that you refrain from using instant messaging acronyms, yes. [16:15] :) [16:16] so slackware has the cups printing system, correct? [16:16] correct [16:16] yes [16:16] wat: ye [16:16] s [16:16] in #python you get kicked for using lol [16:16] Alien wrote up some nice notes on the subject. [16:16] lo... oops [16:16] I almost got kicked from using lol in #python once [16:16] heh [16:16] slackytude: orly? lolz! :P [16:16] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:cups [16:16] ok good [16:16] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@79.101.208.105) joined ##slackware. [16:16] cups is awesome [16:16] agentc0re, yrly [16:17] agentc0re, i can haz lol now [16:17] aceofspades19: Any channel that kicks for using lol is lame, but in #python it would be ironic. [16:17] pi31415, heh,yeah it is [16:17] when a friend asks to use my computer and i have slackware booted ill tab to a terminal window :) [16:17] wat, evil! [16:17] slackytude: I'm in your pcz, Banning all your lolz. [16:17] wat, I like it [16:17] yes [16:17] good call [16:17] agentc0re, oh noes!! [16:17] wow this channel is a lot more fun than #ubuntu #fedora or #windows [16:18] wat: I wonder why [16:18] :p [16:18] #windows? [16:18] Only when you're here wat. [16:18] :D [16:18] ye gods! [16:18] haha [16:18] Nick change: C00re_ -> C00re [16:18] Action: slackytude checks out #windows [16:18] #centos is kinda annoying all they basically say is we don't support compiling your own apps all day [16:19] because in #ubuntu #windows #fedora they get all angry when you are offtopic [16:19] not meaning any offense, why are "r" "u" etc bad ? [16:19] aceofspades19: The whole builds anything for them at all if it's not supported? [16:19] geez [16:19] Bug in fdisk command? not CentOS specific. [16:19] Lord_Khelben: because they aren't proper engrish [16:19] same in the drupal channels.. "stay on topic!!" [16:19] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-86-27-109-113.brnt.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:19] agentc0re: what? [16:19] they're extremely annoying, and make you look like a freshman out of high school. [16:20] wat: offtopic is bad when there are users asking ontopic questions [16:20] dive, eh, I thought there was more action [16:20] thumbs: what if I am a freshman out of high school? [16:20] aceofspades19: s/the/Then [16:20] hmm [16:20] when the channel is idle like now then offtopic isn't bad [16:20] lord_khelben they get pissy when you are offtopic any time bsaically [16:20] its annoying when you get asked to stop with offtopics when there is no activity :) [16:20] GsXs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [16:20] GUYS HELP I INSTALLED SLACKWARE BUT HOW DO I USE IT HELP!!!!!!MY DAD IS GOING TO KILL ME [16:20] C00re: agreed [16:20] ... [16:20] aceofspades19: It's more of a statement than a question. I understand their process, just stupid that they would say something like that. [16:20] slackytude, don't get klined now [16:20] is that a troll i smell? [16:21] im making a joke [16:21] :) [16:21] wat: I know you're not using an old DEC terminal [16:21] ah [16:21] straterra, nah [16:21] dive, I didnt even get kicked from #ubuntu-women [16:21] agentc0re: thats why I no longer run centos on my server, its a pain in the neck if you need a newer version of an app then is in the repos [16:21] It is becoming more rare but once in a while you will run into an old computer user who sends email in all caps. [16:22] wow I didn't even know about that channel [16:22] pi31415 im using 0irc [16:22] slackytude there is #ubuntu-women? [16:22] dive, its fun, they'll show you a nice xkcd comic before banning you [16:22] that gives me an idea :evil: [16:22] wat, yeah [16:22] why ban you ? [16:23] dive, for some strange reason Camarade_tux was on their target lst from the first second [16:23] One of my family members did, and got replies to stop shouting, which was confusing at first. How do you shout in email? They had been writing email in all caps before the Internet caught on. [16:23] I got invited to #club-ubuntu once but that was just like an aol chatroom [16:23] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.52.215) joined ##slackware. [16:23] dive, heh [16:23] i got a bootloader :D [16:24] thank you everyone for the help [16:24] wat (n=user@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:24] Did they hit you up with a/s/l,dive? [16:24] \0/ [16:24] It seems to me that the citizen police volunteer behavior is more common on freenode than on other networks. [16:24] the girl who invited me did :> [16:24] pi31415, freenode is well behaved [16:24] dive, sure it was a girl? [16:24] "It said dripal. Another troll said dripal. Heuristically it is probably a troll. Kickban for the good of the community." [16:25] slackytude: just going to say that [16:25] but she was in USA and like 19 or something.. [16:25] slackytude, could have been a hemale [16:25] does male and female matter on irc? [16:25] dive: Hemale? Like two males in one? [16:26] s/irc/internet/ [16:26] *shemale [16:26] slackytude, hey, target-list, xkcd, I guessed pretty quickly what you were talking about even though I just came back ;p [16:26] could be like the ending to the remake video of Aerosmith's Sweet Emotions,dive [16:27] Camarade_Tux, hehe, yeah [16:27] MLanden, don't know it [16:27] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.131.4) left irc: "leaving" [16:28] I got the netbook MLanden. [16:29] Lenovo S10 [16:29] cool,mrselfpwn [16:29] congratulations on the acquisition of a netbook [16:29] wat (i=1000@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:29] Thank you. [16:29] i havent booted windows yet :x [16:29] Rebooting solved the problem. [16:29] gotta love #windows [16:29] lmao [16:30] reboot, reinstall, reformat, the 3 r's of windows [16:30] slackytude, noobfarm that :P [16:30] hi [16:30] is there an online IP location finder ? [16:30] it is interesting that the pda market dried up and channeled into smart phones and netbooks [16:30] "/kick wt: unable to complete command; ##slackware: You need to be a channel operator to do that" [16:30] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:30] aceofspades19, aye [16:30] netbooks are more capable, have better HID, and don't cost a monthly service fee [16:31] aceofspades19: you forgot regurgitate..:D [16:31] john_dee (n=slackhac@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:31] greetings [16:31] sup_ (i=1000@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] john_dee: greetings. How are you? [16:31] Nick change: sup_ -> wat|gui [16:31] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [16:32] heya,john_dee [16:32] when i use alt+f1-9 i dont switch to a terminal view :? [16:32] i didnt have on F lock :P [16:32] I have slackware running and everything works great on it. The camera and the internal mic work. The only thing left is to get the touchpad to scroll. [16:32] nevermind -_- [16:32] god I hate keyboards with flock [16:32] firebird619, fine. thanks :) [16:32] ok i cant tab to a terminal view ;_; [16:32] wat|gui, check out ion3 [16:33] could be even better if someone pointed me on how to hack iwl3945 driver in latest kernels so it would tune to channel 13 [16:33] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-86-10-25-199.bmly.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:33] dartmouth i dont like those kinds of window managers [16:33] i've been here yesterday complaining on slack12.2 and its wireless not-connectivity [16:33] agentc0re1 (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:33] that is probably because they dont like you [16:34] today i installed 12.1 and it works from the first start [16:34] john_dee: you're doing it wrong [16:34] nachox, done ;) [16:34] brb' [16:34] wat|gui (i=1000@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:34] aceofspades19, what do you mean? [16:34] 12.2 is out [16:35] ugh [16:35] wat: ctl + alt + f2 [16:35] i cant switch between workspaces when i have X running :| [16:35] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.60.116) left irc: "Leaving" [16:35] Is it a laptop john_dee? [16:35] Urgleflogue (n=plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) left irc: "01001110 01100101 01110010 01100100 00100001" [16:35] mrselfpwn, yes [16:35] :O [16:35] thanks thrice` [16:35] brb testing windows [16:35] reboot [16:36] whoops [16:36] I had to install drivers from intel to get my broadcom wireless to work. [16:36] reboot command isnt working :| [16:36] I mean, they were directly from Broadcom. [16:36] wat (i=1000@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:36] what chipset is it? [16:37] mrselfpwn, drivers for my card are in the kernel. it's intel 3945abg. and the driver is iwl3945. the thing is that it works like a charm in 12.1 but not in 12.2 [16:37] did you install the module yourself? [16:38] I installed mine and and made sure it was enabled in the kernel. [16:39] mrselfpwn, no. it's in the kernel by default [16:39] mrselfpwn, and it seems to be working since i can bring interface up [16:39] Yes, I still had to download the driver from broadcom [16:40] it makes a module named wl [16:40] beterraba (i=c8118f21@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fbd98f662fbecf2f) joined ##slackware. [16:40] mrselfpwn, i doubt that it's the problem. it works on a fresh 12.1 install. why would i have to get it for 12.2 [16:41] stazich (n=root@c-98-222-0-43.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:41] wat (i=1000@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:41] It's what I did on a fresh 12.2 install. I don't have any other explanations. [16:41] so how do i tab between channels on irssi, i havent used it in so long [16:41] hello. sorry for the newbie question, but i'm needing sudo permission to clean trash, and i can't find it's location. i use slack v.12.1. could someone help me please? [16:41] slackware/ap/sudo*tgz [16:42] pi31415 mind answering my question :>? [16:42] I don't use irssi [16:42] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) joined ##slackware. [16:42] it's something like ctrl-f1-f6 [16:42] wat: I use Alt+left or right arrow keys, or you can use Alt+(1-9) to change between them. [16:42] or alt [16:43] wat, #irssi [16:43] beterraba, you need to edit the sudoers file [16:43] or escape, then hit the number/letter [16:43] ill just check google >_< [16:43] tap escape, tap the key [16:43] That's what I do [16:43] beterraba, become roo and do a visudo [16:44] root even [16:44] mrselfpwn, that would be really strange. everything works on pre-2.6.24 kernels. iwlist wlan0 channel shows channel 13. later kernels don't. which makes me think it's a driver code problem [16:44] you need sudo permission to clean the trash? wtf? [16:44] bono (i=bono@114.45.226.229) left irc: "Leaving" [16:44] eddief2 (n=eddie@pool-68-160-217-171.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:44] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.60.116) joined ##slackware. [16:44] Maybe [16:44] so im getting a fatal server error when tabbing between gui/command line, kill x isnt stopping the x process, what would i do, telinit 3? [16:45] I have the latest stable kernel [16:45] wat, what error? [16:45] i fixed it :O [16:45] pi31415 (n=pi31415@98.246.78.78) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021906]" [16:45] Nick change: []cipher -> [cipher] [16:46] mrselfpwn, can you tell if your driver can see channels 12 and 13? [16:46] sup_ (i=1000@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:46] time to configure dual monitors :P [16:46] slackytude: my user has permission to become sudo already, but it steel not working [16:47] One second john [16:47] beterraba, how is it not working? [16:48] How would I test it John_dee? [16:48] dscpl0 (n=sulo@cpe.atm2-0-76461.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) left irc: "Leaving" [16:48] mrselfpwn, it's "iwlist iface channel" [16:48] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.52.215) left irc: "Leaving" [16:48] i've opened the trash's folder and then shift+Del on files, but the fallowing msg appear: access denied to "files" [16:48] okay wait it's on my laptop [16:48] k [16:51] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:51] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [16:51] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-58-107.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "= leaving" [16:52] so why cant i set dual monitors on slackware? [16:52] higuita7 (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:52] Nick change: sup_ -> wat|gui [16:52] because you lack the needed skills? [16:52] because your doing it wrong ? [16:52] probably :| [16:52] :) [16:52] user error [16:52] Im doing it fine at work [16:52] heheh [16:52] layer 8 problem [16:52] in control center/display screen 1 is grayed out [16:53] "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts" [16:53] o_O [16:53] wat|gui: have you set your Xorg.conf to use dual screens? [16:53] nope <_< [16:53] good quote,BP{k} [16:54] Yes john_dee, it goes to 13. [16:54] i might need the nvidia drivers [16:54] ? [16:54] also my Xorg.conf is blank [16:54] duh [16:54] MLanden: it's from one of Richard Bach's books. [16:54] person (n=ed@92.20.199.208) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:54] xorg.conf blank? [16:54] cause its named with a lowercase x [16:54] mrselfpwn, thats my point. it's the driver. and since it's built in kernel... [16:54] xorg.conf [16:54] xorg.conf is also blank :) [16:54] lies. [16:55] man, never thought i would have to dig into kernel code to get my wireless running...cruel world :`-) [16:55] It's able to be downloaded from Broadcom's website and built and installed john_dee. [16:55] wat|gui: where are you looking for xorg.conf? [16:55] i did nano xorg.conf [16:55] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [16:55] lol [16:55] thats wrong -_- [16:55] that's why it's blank [16:55] ya [16:55] nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf [16:55] agentc0re1: send me some beer! [16:56] I am too sober for this shit. [16:56] BP{k}: heh heh this is entertaining. [16:56] BP{k}: lmao [16:56] but you should probably install the nvidia driver [16:56] You don't have to downgrade your entire OS just to get wireless working. It will work fine in 12.2. [16:56] for it is easy to get dual screen going with the nvidia-settings [16:57] wat|gui: are you sure you've read the slackbook? [16:57] yes [16:57] i need to reread it <_< [16:57] first i need to get my mouse wheel working [16:57] higuita7 (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [16:57] wat|gui: did you also _understand_ it. [16:57] wat|gui: Im not trying to insult you, it's just your questions and mannerism on asking about everything leads me to believe you didn't. [16:57] i know [16:57] mrselfpwn, that's how i got it working now %) [16:57] lol [16:58] it was a very interesting read actually [16:58] wat|gui: mouse wheel --- try protocol "auto" first... see whether or not that gets it going [16:58] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [16:58] thanks antler [16:59] wat|gui: you need to run xorgsetup as root, that'll give you a good start. When you install the nvidia drivers do it in telinit 3 as root as well. [17:00] sure thing [17:00] hehe i would probably do X --configure :P [17:00] or Xorg --configure heh forgot [17:00] wat, to get your mouse wheel working, you need to add a line in your xorg.conf.. in the mouse section add "XYAxisMapping" "4 5" (or something, look it up on the web) [17:00] thanks a lot man [17:00] mrselfpwn, tnx for help. have to make it work for 12.2 now [17:00] wat|gui (i=1000@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:01] isn't that ZAxisMapping ? [17:01] Lord_Khelben, thanks.. thats more proper [17:01] Okay, no prob. [17:01] X -configure is the best start [17:01] the "auto" protocol that antler suggested [17:01] supports the wheel without the need of zaxismapping [17:01] cool [17:01] wat: yeah, thrice` knows better than i; so listen to him :D [17:02] hehe [17:02] let me add mouse wheel support right quick [17:02] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:02] john_dee (n=slackhac@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [17:02] dios_mio, how about getting the scroller on a touchpad to work? [17:02] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-183-230.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [17:02] mrselfpwn, I dont know... [17:02] ok [17:02] so dios_mio which section of mouse? [17:03] wat, just anywhere in the mouse section.. [17:03] kk thanks [17:03] wat, do the "auto" thing they suggested [17:04] sure <_< [17:05] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-82-14-76-234.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:05] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-179-205.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:05] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.57) joined ##slackware. [17:06] nope did not work [17:06] restart x [17:06] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-71-153-131-202.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] rg3 (n=rg3@62.32.150.184) joined ##slackware. [17:07] antler i did -_- [17:07] hi [17:08] fatal error, no screens found [17:08] Option "Protocol" "auto" <------ under section "InputDevice" ? [17:08] wat: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/peripherals-hardware/21894-mouse-scroll-doesnt-work.html [17:09] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:09] lol fixed it [17:09] dios_mio that mouse fix didnt help :o [17:09] hmm ok [17:10] sup_ (i=1000@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-147-165.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:11] Nick change: sup_ -> wat|gui [17:11] can i get that link again :> [17:11] gregday (n=gregday@25511435.ecsis.net) joined ##slackware. [17:11] wat: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/peripherals-hardware/21894-mouse-scroll-doesnt-work.html [17:11] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.0.181) left irc: "Leaving" [17:13] What's the best way to run a daemon as a non-root user at startup? I'd like to run it from my rc.local [17:13] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-168-230.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:14] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [17:14] gregday, su -c "COMMAND" [17:14] thanks [17:14] majikman (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:14] gregday, su USER -c "COMMAND" [17:15] Option "ZAxisMapping" 4 5" [17:15] wat|gui: missing a quote [17:15] also note, you need to restart X for effects to take place [17:15] oh whoops [17:15] thrice` im not all that new to linxu [17:15] linux* [17:16] your questions say otherwise [17:16] wat|gui (i=1000@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:16] so? if you had used another distro for years, maybe you were never required to touch xorg.conf [17:16] gregday (n=gregday@25511435.ecsis.net) left ##slackware. [17:17] wat|gui (i=1000@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:17] nope :/ [17:17] have you tried using the xorg.conf from "X -configure" ? [17:17] wat|gui (i=1000@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:18] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-86-27-109-113.brnt.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:19] root (i=0@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:19] Nick change: root -> wat|gui [17:19] sorry for all the joins/rejoins when i tab to a terminal workspace it kills x [17:20] bad; X -configure; mv /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf [17:20] and i need that link ONE more time D: [17:20] why? [17:20] who me? [17:20] i need that link so i can fix my mouse? [17:20] did you try using X -configure , as asked 3 times now [17:20] wat, try what thrice` just said.. X -configure will generate a xorg.conf [17:20] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:20] yes i know im root irc as root is bad blahblahblah [17:21] thrice` yes i DID [17:21] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:21] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [17:21] dios_mio can i get that link for the mouse one more time? [17:21] wat: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/peripherals-hardware/21894-mouse-scroll-doesnt-work.html [17:21] thanks [17:21] dios_mio should i try this? http://fpaste.org/paste/6759 [17:22] Nick change: Soul_keeper -> Full_Throttle [17:22] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.60.116) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:22] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:22] Deiz (n=swh@unaffiliated/deiz) joined ##slackware. [17:22] Nick change: Full_Throttle -> Soul_keeper [17:23] wat|gui, yes but i hope you dont just append that to the xorg.conf without removing the other mouse section... then you will have two [17:23] dont worry im removing the other one :P [17:24] restarting x [17:24] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-119-229.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [17:24] no [17:24] wat|gui (i=0@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:24] hes getting annoying [17:24] i know i am :( [17:25] heh, damn [17:25] im just so used to fedora 10 :| [17:25] heheh [17:25] whats wrong with fedora 10? [17:25] in before rpm based distro [17:25] sorry, Im usually better at back stabbing [17:25] touche [17:25] wat, i think you should use what you know best [17:26] im trying new distros is all :) [17:26] cfdisk (n=cfdisk@unaffiliated/cfdisk) joined ##slackware. [17:26] what i know best is ubuntu O_O [17:26] and i dont like ubuntu :| [17:27] wat (i=1000@ip72-204-35-60.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:27] we don't like ubuntu either [17:27] slackytude: did you ping him to death ? [17:27] :) [17:27] yay a ubuntu bashing party [17:28] Lord_Khelben, nah ^-^ [17:28] mshade: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/35246 =) [17:29] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:29] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:30] rg3_ (n=rg3@83.231.20.231) joined ##slackware. [17:30] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A77261.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:52] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:53] Tends to be, yes. [17:53] You can usually prompt an admin to fast-track it. [17:54] speaking of it, there is a quote waiting to be added ^-^ [17:54] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89.180.100.78) joined ##slackware. [17:54] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-100-176.net.novis.pt) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:55] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [17:55] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A77261.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:55] Tyrael (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:56] Tyrael (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:57] beatzz (n=beatzz@97-114-80-78.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:00] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:01] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. 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[18:16] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:16] a curiosity question: must the init executable file be statically linked for it to work? [18:16] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:17] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@161.184.42.190) left irc: "Wakka Wakka" [18:17] as in a Hard link? [18:19] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:19] no, as in a statically linked executable :P [18:20] j0z (n=JESUS@189.73.44.191) joined ##slackware. [18:20] rg3_, why should itß [18:20] rg3_, why should it? [18:20] rg3_: run "file /sbin/init" and see what you have [18:20] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:20] mannynix (n=mannynix@201.164.97.23) joined ##slackware. [18:20] mine's static [18:21] lucasagomes (n=lucasgom@189-68-139-173.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:21] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [18:21] can think of one reason to make it statically linked: if it were dynamically linked to libc.so, you wouldn't be able to upgrade glibc-solibs properly without rebooting [18:21] another reason is the KISS principle of course [18:22] fevel (n=fevel@189.32.157.67) joined ##slackware. [18:23] slackytude: i'm not sure if it should be statically lined or not, maybe i'll find out when i reboot... next month [18:23] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] s/should/must/ [18:23] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [18:23] cfdisk (n=cfdisk@unaffiliated/cfdisk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:24] pretty sure I've used a dynamically linked init on an embedded system before, but it would have been years ago, memory's hazy [18:24] beterraba (i=c8118f21@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fbd98f662fbecf2f) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [18:24] ah. Slamd64 12.1 uses a dynamically linked /sbin/init [18:25] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "8 miles and what do i have to show for it? sweaty balls" [18:25] ok, so it's not a requirement, thanks [18:25] what are you doing exactly, that brought up that question? [18:25] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.131.133) left irc: "Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC." [18:25] the kernel can load dinamyc libraries at that point, note taken [18:25] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92.234.149.22) left irc: "leaving" [18:26] well, no, the kernel doesn't load dynamic libraries, the runtime linker does [18:26] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:26] Action: nachox nods [18:26] Urchlay: i was trying to help a friend over irc, and he's setting up something weird and wanted to discard that as a problem [18:28] so basically ld needs to be statically linked, as always, and no special requirements apply [18:28] er, not ld [18:28] however it's called [18:28] mikearr (n=miker@pool-96-228-142-210.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:29] cfdisk (n=cfdisk@20150056033.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:29] it's ld, afaik [18:30] /lib/ld-2.7.so [18:30] tho it's normally called via the symlink /lib/ld-linux.so.2 [18:30] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-119-229.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:30] ld, the one in /usr/bin, is the compile-time linker [18:31] yeah [18:31] Urchlay: exactly, that's what i had in mind [18:31] mikearr (n=miker@pool-96-228-142-210.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:31] man ld.so [18:31] in any case, the conclusion is that it's not a requirement, and that it can use dynamic libraries with the normal mechanism [18:32] yeah, and why shouldnt it? when it gets called, everything is in place [18:33] only annoyances with a dynamic init: if you upgrade /sbin/init or any of the libs it's dynamically linked to, you won't get the disk space back for the old (deleted) versions until you reboot [18:33] yes, thats a good point and I wasnt thinking about that [18:34] slackytude: in "special circumstances" many times what i think follows logic does not follow it, because i didn't think of something which must be taken into account [18:34] it's not really a huge deal though (won't waste much space) [18:35] rg3_, its certainly wise to ask before doing something stupid ^.^ [18:35] rg3_: actually another way to decide whether the kernel could use a dynamic init, would be to boot with "init=/bin/sh" [18:36] Urchlay: yes, that's what i was thinking of when i said i would find out during the next reboot :) [18:36] which works fine (though cleanly shutting down afterwards is a pain) [18:37] eh, nice idea [18:38] IIRC, when you're running in that mode, you can then say "exec /sbin/init" to get to normal multi-user mode (or maybe it's "exec /sbin/init 3") [18:38] of course, your sh could be also statically linked :P [18:39] could be, but isn't on any slackware version I know of [18:39] probably nowhere, except in embedded systems a la busybox [18:39] (or any other Linux distro I ever looked at) [18:39] Solaris 7 has a statically linked /sbin/sh [18:40] but that's only of historical interest, these days... [18:41] someone here knows if there are some special options necesscary when compiling cdemu? [18:41] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [18:41] this? http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/cdemu-daemon/ [18:41] no, the client [18:42] taub, heh, you must be deaf ^-^ [18:42] heh [18:42] no, i'm blind with rage :/ [18:42] thats bad [18:42] to add myself in the sudoer, isn't it just a matter of "visudo" and then a line like: " ALL=(ALL) ALL"? Because I've just done that.. and I still can't sudo [18:43] Ficthe: you aren't by any chance trying to type the root password instead of your user's, when you run sudo? [18:43] username is not withitn <> [18:43] http://rafb.net/p/cGkouf46.html i installed cdemu, then try to run it and get this ?_= [18:44] Urchlay, no, I am typing 's password [18:44] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-25-99.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [18:45] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [18:45] is /usr/bin/sudo actually owned by root and setuid root? [18:46] Lord_Khelben (n=null@79.103.242.156) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [18:46] by the way, please tell me of a command/utility just off the top of your head I can use for checking here (that requries root priveleges) [18:47] well, you could just go "sudo touch foo", and then "ls -l foo". If the file is owned by root, then sudo works [18:47] nater (n=nater@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:47] or even "sudo touch /root/foo", which would fail utterly if you didn't have root privs [18:48] and then "ls -l foo" .. huh? "touch foo" creates an empty file named "foo" -- I understand that, but what's the "foo" in "ls -l foo"? [18:49] just means for ls to only list that one file [18:49] (instead of listing the whole directory) [18:49] oh, so then this means sudo isn't working then: bash-3.1$ sudo touch foor Password: bash-3.1$ ls -l foo ls: cannot access foo: No such file or directory [18:50] you touched foor rather than foo? [18:50] whoops, wait :) .. yes, it is working :) [18:50] bash-3.1$ ls -l foor -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2009-02-19 17:47 foor :) thanks. [18:50] stazich (n=root@c-98-222-0-43.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:50] so what was the problem? (or was there no problem?) [18:51] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:52] I have just a small hunch on what the problem was.. "visudo" in root was displaying "visudo.tmp" -- I just had to :wq and I think it was after that that it worked. [18:52] yeah, saving the changes you made is usually a good idea [18:53] if you don't like vi, you can 'export VISUAL=nano' or whatever in your .bash_profile, and visudo will use that instead [18:53] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-69-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] eh, or maybe not [18:53] visudo was behaving strangle as well.. for example, the movement cursors weren't qutie like vim's (j worked as it's supposed to -- going down, but k did that as well (instead of going up)) [18:54] strangely* [18:54] probably because /usr/bin/vi isn't vim, it's elvis [18:54] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:55] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.187) joined ##slackware. [18:55] Yep. [18:55] hm. Slack 12.2's visudo ignores VISUAL and EDITOR in the environment [18:55] "vi" does open up vi -- isn't that an indication that it *was* using vi? and ":wq" is a vi-command to save? (I don't know about 'elvis' -- but it's the same for that) [18:56] but it's the same for that?* [18:56] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:56] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:56] Ficthe: there is no actual vi in Slackware (or any other Linux)... elvis and vim are both clones of vi [18:56] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) left ##slackware ("Quitte"). [18:56] if you "ls -l /usr/bin/vi" you'll see that it's a symlink to elvis (unless you're me and you change it to point to vim instead) [18:57] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-67-65-197-68.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] elvis == another vi clone, not vim [18:57] yep -- bash-3.1$ ls -l /usr/bin/vi lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2008-08-17 09:32 /usr/bin/vi -> elvis* [18:58] I would prefer to point it to vim instead as well -- I'll go ahead and put "EXPORT VISUAL=vim" in .bash_profile right now [18:59] unless it's been fixed in 12.2, you'll have annoying problems using vim as /usr/bin/vi when you run "crontab -e". If this happens to you, put 'set backupcopy=yes' in your ~/.vimrc [18:59] (and in /root/.vimrc too) [18:59] eh, and 'export VISUAL=vim', lowercase "export"... but you already knew that I bet [19:00] but that won't help visudo. It's ignoring VISUAL or EDITOR in the environment (probably built that way on purpose) [19:02] I didn't know that :) -- and I am on 12.1 [19:04] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [19:04] rolfo (n=steve@c-76-100-46-119.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:06] hi - I was in here acouple of weeks ago, and some one helped me with recovering some NTFS files on slackware...I have some questions...anyone around that can help...nullboy, I think it was? [19:07] rolfo: if you ask a specific question and someone knows the answer and wants to answer they will [19:07] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-114-131.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:09] okay...I was asking becuase I wanted to priv message since I dont' think this is slackware specific...but I'm wondering if someone can explain to me what a NTFS orphan file is and why it is so much harder to find in NTFS. [19:09] I got help here last time because I thought it was a slackware problem. [19:09] Turns out it was a software version problem with sleuthkit. [19:10] but still, this is the only place anyone knew the answer. [19:10] I googled and read about it, but I still don't know. [19:11] Someone on this channel gave me a good explaination, but I can't find it. I just wanted to see what it was agian. [19:13] I think it was the guy who does linuxleo.com - nullboy. [19:13] rolfo: there are logs of the channel, you should be able to find them from the guidelines link in the topic [19:13] thanks, twolf. where are the logs, or is that a stupid question? [19:14] look at guidelines link from the topic [19:14] should be a link to the logs there [19:14] twolf, while nullboy is certainly very good, he isnt doinf linuxleo [19:14] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:14] not doing it either [19:15] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] I don't know what that is, I was just pointing him to the logs so he could find the info someone gave him before [19:16] twolf, sorry, I misread [19:16] rolfo, , while nullboy is certainly very good, he isnt doing linuxleo [19:17] taub (n=taub@ip-80-226-15-60.vodafone-net.de) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:17] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:17] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) joined ##slackware. [19:18] slackytude: ? I was sure it was him. I read the linuxleo stuff and came here. My bad if I'm wrong. [19:19] I'm still looking for logs. [19:19] rolfo, nope, its SpacePlod that does the linuxleo.com site [19:20] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:21] okay, I remember SpacePlod being here as well, but i thought it was nullboy. sorry. [19:21] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: "Where ever you may be, be well. Namarië." [19:21] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [19:21] either way, I know the question is not slackware, but I was hoping to talk to one of them. [19:21] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Client Quit [19:22] I'll hang here and see if one is willing to pm. I found the logs. Thanks twolf [19:23] rg3_ (n=rg3@83.231.20.231) left irc: "bye" [19:24] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.72.128) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:25] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Success [19:28] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.60.116) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:29] LikeVinyl (n=lalala@200.125.76.26) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:29] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.60.116) joined ##slackware. [19:30] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:30] LikeVinyl (n=lalala@200.125.76.26) joined ##slackware. [19:30] the question is not slackware, the question is "computer?" the answer is "Slackware!" [19:33] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-71-254-116-185.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:33] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: "Leaving." [19:33] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-71-254-116-185.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:34] Pig_Pen: indeed. [19:35] agentc0re1 (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [19:36] http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200802/deadlock.JPG [19:37] oh nice, I love that picture but had lost it =) [19:37] dude...that looks like my commute [19:37] heh [19:37] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] nater (n=nater@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:38] Nick change: yht -> yht|kerjo [19:39] any guesses as to where that is? [19:40] Febriansasi (n=Febrians@114.58.80.54) joined ##slackware. [19:40] (taken on 2008-01-06 from a building in São Paulo) [19:41] well...no guesses needed, I guess. [19:41] Febriansasi (n=Febrians@114.58.80.54) left irc: Client Quit [19:42] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-168-230.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [19:45] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:53] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-119-229.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [19:53] jeeezzzz! what a fustercluck of traffic! [19:55] makes me appreciate the little hillbilly redneck town i live near [19:55] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:55] LikeVinyl (n=lalala@200.125.76.26) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:55] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:55] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [19:57] Pig_Pen: go on a road trip today? [19:58] nope, i never left the homestead [19:59] i had chuck steak strip for dinner then took a long leasurely nap with a full tummy full of steak and mashed taters & gravy, (great way to spend a sunday afternoon) [19:59] cfdisk (n=cfdisk@unaffiliated/cfdisk) left irc: Connection timed out [19:59] yep, high livin :) [19:59] Pig_Pen: yeah, the traffic is the only thing i don't like about Austin. It is horrific. [19:59] can anybody point me to a python library that interfaces with opensync? I basically want to take the (pim) tasks in my windows mobile phone, and write my own script to upload the text into my todo program [20:00] redtricycle, #python [20:01] i live in southeast oklahoma, i been all over west texas, amirallo, San Antonio, Lubbock, Austin, Midland/Odessa i like Tejas [20:01] willin --little feat [20:02] & dont forget Linda Rhonstat :D [20:02] Pig_Pen: yea, little feat wrote it, linda sang it too [20:03] Linda made it popular on the FM Radio [20:03] yep [20:03] little feat made it popular among the cowboys & truckers though [20:03] that too [20:04] Pig_Pen: you get your beef from a local butcher shop/grocer? [20:05] yeah, they even make their own jerky [20:05] local butcher shops ftw [20:06] i like the jerky for work, because i can work through lunch at work instead of sitting through eating a sandwich [20:06] Nick change: AlexElliott__ -> AlexElliott [20:06] Pig_Pen: guess its pretty good cattle country around your town [20:06] yup [20:07] too many trees & rocky hills for wheat & corn fields but enough pasture & water for cattles [20:08] gah [20:08] 1am [20:08] need sleep [20:08] I hate mondays [20:08] gnite all [20:09] Pig_Pen: ever eaten a buffalo burger or steak? [20:09] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A77261.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "i hate mondays" [20:09] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:10] yeah, i use buffalo burger in chili often [20:10] homemade chili [20:11] buffalo from north or south Dakota, smells a little gamey (like wild game) when cooking, but when done cooking it is just like ground beef [20:11] hot enough to curl your toe nails ;) [20:12] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleep" [20:12] i make some very warm chili with green chilis & chili powder [20:13] green chilis are really tastey; they put green chilis on hardy burgers in new mexico [20:13] we are having chili tonight [20:14] what do you eat with chili? crackers? [20:14] i make some awesome chili burritos too :D [20:14] i like to put mine over rice , also sometimes just with crackers [20:14] crakers,toast, biscuits [20:14] rice is good too [20:15] bowl of chili with a scoop of vanilla ice cream on it; tastes good [20:15] spanish rice and refried beans & corn chips are great [20:15] i love mexican food in general [20:16] me too, mexican food and italian food is my favorites, i like it spicy! [20:16] Taskatech (n=chatzill@75.143.165.1) joined ##slackware. [20:18] alka-seltzer meatball commercial www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErgdUhZteqw [20:19] Nick change: higuita7 -> higuita [20:20] Nick change: mesa -> dtanner [20:20] any mexican foods good for breakfast? [20:21] breakfast tacos are popular here [20:22] dtanner: EU tacos? [20:23] mexican breakfast, YES! take chorizo and fry it in a skillet and mix with scrambled eggs and roll in to a burrito [20:24] chile is served , later [20:24] huevos rancheros are tastey too [20:24] and yes breakfast tacsos are good depending on who/how they are made [20:27] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@207.216.31.222) joined ##slackware. [20:30] rworkman: I'm looking at your akondai.slackbuild right now. Needing to recompile it to support mysql-5.1.30. [20:30] jerojasr1 (n=jerojasr@190.252.147.35) joined ##slackware. [20:31] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:31] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-430193.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:32] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [20:33] Nick change: _RaNdY -> RaNdY [20:33] RaNdY (i=randy@support.team.at.shellium.org) left ##slackware. [20:34] mannynix (n=mannynix@201.164.97.23) left irc: "leaving" [20:37] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-71-153-131-202.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:37] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-31-222.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:39] I need some help understanding how to download,...ie. Adobe flashplayer. I do not understand the instructions given at slackbuilds.org [20:40] sbopkg makes it easy. [20:40] RaNdY (i=randy@unaffiliated/randy) joined ##slackware. [20:41] is that a command? [20:41] http://code.google.com/p/sbopkg/ [20:41] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:42] :) [20:42] ccfreak2k: Thanks, let me go check this out and see if I can make heads or tails of it :-) [20:42] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@79.101.208.105) left irc: "Leaving" [20:43] Taskatech: wget http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/12.2/multimedia/flash-player-plugin.tar.gz; tar xf flash-player-plugin.tar.gz; cd flash-player-plugin; source *.info && wget $DOWNLOAD; su; ./flash-player-plugin.SlackBuild; installpkg /tmp/flash-player-*.tgz [20:43] Nick change: aceofspa1es19 -> aceofspades19 [20:43] http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/network.png heh heh [20:45] jkwood: Thanks also, that gives me something to work with. [20:45] Taskatech (n=chatzill@75.143.165.1) left ##slackware. [20:45] jkwood [20:46] i have a dilemma [20:46] Any of you guys participating in the summer of code? [20:46] when building a package, I don't get all the contents built in. [20:47] Only select directories like usr/doc [20:48] I'm sick and tired of people trying to make slackware like ubuntu [20:49] what do you mean? [20:49] who's trying to do that ? let's kill him ! [20:49] acidkill (n=acidkill@24.144.103.6) joined ##slackware. [20:49] idiots on linuxquestions.org [20:49] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [20:49] aceofspades19: show us a link. [20:49] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [20:50] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/what-featureschanges-would-you-like-to-see-in-future-slackware-605827/page35.html [20:51] 1) idiot, 2) idiot, 3) slackware's way is probably the best, soooo reliable and fast [20:52] mrselfpwn: Interesting. [20:52] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:52] no slackware 13? [20:52] anyway, LQ remains a good forum imho [20:53] and now, let's go to bed ! good nigh [20:53] t [20:53] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [20:53] gnubien: who said that? [20:53] yes jkwood [20:53] MH_ (n=MH@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:53] aceofspades19: just curious [20:53] i'm sure it's something i'm missing [20:53] ahh, nothing like self delusional fanatics [20:53] mannynix (n=mannynix@201.164.97.23) joined ##slackware. [20:53] Well, makepkg will include anything in the top level directory you run it in. [20:53] hmm [20:54] let me ponder it [20:54] My guess is, you need tomanually put things into usr/doc. [20:54] hmm [20:54] usr/doc comes out fine [20:54] That, or specify --docdir. [20:55] the docdir comes out fine [20:55] the thing is [20:55] that is all that installs [20:55] jkwood: Is /usr/lib/kde4/libexec the correct KDEDIR? [20:56] what filesystem type would a .ROM bios file most likely be ? [20:56] i have gotten all the correct data into the .tgz file [20:56] mn (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/mn) joined ##slackware. [20:56] Erm... it is one correct directory. [20:56] Soul_keeper: none or FAT [20:56] though when i install it, it does not install anything i can find [20:57] I'm needing to know for the akonadi.slackbuild. [20:57] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-183-230.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:57] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-69-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving." [20:57] me_ (n=me_@78.146.205.206) joined ##slackware. [20:58] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-58-107.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [20:58] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] aceofspades19, "some idiot-proofing" would basically add dependencies. [20:59] Umm... I'm not sure where the problem lies. The SlackBuild/PHBuild from Slackware -current or Slamd64 -current (respectively) should just pull it up. [20:59] i'll mess around with it some more JKwood, then let you know. [20:59] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:59] straterra, neither of those is gonna let me mount it, seems i need to try different things [20:59] "Pre-selection of packages" is plausable, although you could also just pay someone to cook up some tagfiles. [20:59] well [20:59] none isn't a file system [20:59] the ROM can be anything [20:59] it can be a binary BIOS image.. [21:00] you mean issuing -t none for the mount ? [21:01] Soul_keeper, err, what kind of ROM BIOS file? [21:01] it's for a motherboard bios [21:01] hi, i am installing slack 12.2 on a new machine, and when i try to cfdisk /dev/sda i get an error that says that the drive is poorly formatted, and when i try fdisk /dev/sda, i don't see the partition that i made in vista using the built in shrink tool. do i have to format the parition that vista made before cfdisk will see it? [21:02] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-71-153-131-202.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:02] blkdg, fdisk/cfdisk don't "format" partitions. [21:02] That's done at a later stage. [21:03] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:03] right during the installation when you choose ext2 or whatever file system right? [21:03] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [21:03] Yes, [21:03] but why will fdisk see /dev/sda and cfdisk not see /dev/sda ? [21:05] isn't one more SATA friendly than the other? [21:05] I doubt it. [21:05] last week, i took a friend's laptop, booted into vista, used its shrink tool - did not format, just resized, booted with the slack 12.2 cd, and installed slack, now i'm trying the same thing with another vista machine. but cfdisk isn't seeing the partition i just made. [21:06] is the partition hidden? [21:07] :) [21:09] I want my slack with 2.6.29 but torvalds doesn't release it :( [21:09] Anyone here have a synaptics touchpad? [21:09] i don't know me_ [21:09] Anjo_Malvado, install it yourself. [21:09] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-182-81.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [21:09] how can i tell? [21:09] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@c-68-52-184-217.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:10] blkdg, well [21:10] does your scroll work? [21:10] in fdisk use p [21:10] i mean vista sees it as 69G unallocated space [21:10] p = print partition table to screen [21:11] oh, in fdisk, yup, it's not there [21:11] How can I check to see if I have a particular package (such as pyxdg)? [21:11] according to the fdick man page you should try to use the partitioning tool that comes with an OS [21:11] fdick? i meant fdisk [21:11] don't use cfdisk [21:11] fdisk [21:11] cuba (n=cubicka@84.19.44.65) joined ##slackware. [21:11] Oo [21:11] according to vista there are 6 partitions on this oem drive , well there were 4 and i used vista to make the 5th one [21:11] well [21:11] what is the problem? [21:12] sorry wait [21:12] have anybody had the problem with "permission denied" when using passwords on apache ? [21:12] according to vista there are 5 partitions on this oem drive , well there were 4 and i used vista to make the 5th one [21:12] my advice [21:12] on slackware ? [21:12] is to use qtparted [21:12] does the slackware installation not see the partition or have you not tried? [21:13] the one i just made i can't see in fdisk during the installation , as in right after i log in as root [21:13] forget fdisk [21:13] MH_ (n=MH@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:13] vista will detect ext2-4 drives as unknown [21:13] mrselfpwn: I will, I just want him to release the final 2.6.29 ¬¬ [21:13] skip past it and see if slackware can see it [21:13] Anjo_Malvado, I'm running 2.6.29 right now [21:14] to test brtfs [21:14] blkdg: when you are asked to log in as root just hit enter [21:14] so , loggin as root, chose keyboardlayout and DON'T use either cfdisk or fdisk? [21:14] mrselfpwn: yes, but not the final one [21:14] no [21:14] beta [21:14] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:14] i have not had a problem [21:14] how will i create /boot and /home ...? [21:14] yeah, I don't like betas or alphas or gammas ... [21:14] I have a program image (or whatever its called, can't think of the name, but its the actual program), where do I put that so that its accessible via a command-line command (the program is Filezilla and currently the binary (that's what I was tryin to think of earlier) is inside a folder on my desktop... [21:14] woo [21:14] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] xD [21:15] Cryp71c, "binary" is the best word usually. [21:15] slackware install wizard asks which partition to use for /boot and /home and whatever else no? [21:15] You can stick it anywhere. [21:15] ccfreak2k: yeah I thought about it 1/2 way through and didn't want to go back and retype. [21:16] if the partitions exist it will be ok [21:16] snL20: how will i create /boot /tmp and /home and / if i can't use cfdisk fdisk first? [21:16] ccfreak2k: ok so if I can put it anywhere, what do I do to allow the program to be loaded via a shell command? [21:16] blkdg, you don't because there isn't a filesystem yet. [21:16] blkdg: screw vista [21:16] if it's some kind of strange semi partitioning that only vista can recognise then idk [21:16] :D [21:16] Cryp71c, err...you just type the path to it: ~/desktop/filezilla [21:17] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:17] idk ? [21:17] blkdg, fdisk doesnt create /boot and /home, it just creates the partitions of whatever size [21:17] ccfreak2k: What would I do if I just wanted to type 'filezilla' into the shell. [21:17] the assignment of each partition for whatever function comes later [21:18] Cryp71c, the binary (or a symlink) would need to be in one of the directories in $PATH. [21:18] if vista has successfully created the partitions and this is an fdisk anomaly you will be ok [21:18] asuming you have these 5 partitions setup in the way you want them [21:18] ccfreak2k: other than /sbin what else is in the default user's path? [21:19] if you have 1 partition for linux and want to further partition that then maybe use something other than fdisk [21:19] Cryp71c, echo $PATH and find out. [21:19] ccfreak2k: (well I guess /sbin isn't in the default user's PATH...so what directories ARE in PATH by default) [21:19] but fdisk dones't make /home [21:19] blkdg: the other computer(s) with vista did they have less than or equal to 4 partitions ? [21:19] it just makes a partition that you might want to use as /home [21:20] the first one is an acer partion, the second one is vista, the third one (the one i divided in half) is data , the fourth one is the one i just made, and the fifth one is a acer partition. [21:20] ccfreak2k: /usr/bin the 'standard' place the kernel places new binaries installed (such as through package manager [21:20] so you have 1 partition set aside for slackware? [21:20] right, and i usually just use cfdisk and carve it up, i've been doing that since 7.2 [21:21] ccfreak2k: correct? [21:21] make home , swap, tmp , boot . / ... [21:21] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:21] why do you need to use fdisk? you made the partition in vista why not carve it up in vista? [21:21] Cryp71c, do you not have root access to the box in question? [21:21] so i've never just jumped from 'type root' to setup before. [21:22] andarius (n=andarius@c-98-192-3-170.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:22] me_ good question, i don't know. [21:22] holdmypocket_ (n=hold@user-0c9h89u.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [21:22] hoi hoi [21:22] blkdg: you should read the boot script [21:22] i know nothing about vista and how it creates partitions [21:22] andarius: Hello. How are you? [21:22] maybe it's doing something strange [21:22] firebird619: i am well. just got back from the hot tub. you ? [21:22] ccfreak2k: yes I have root access, in fact I'm the owner / only user of the box, but I'm operating in a non-super user account since it was my understanding operating as a super-user all the time could be problematic. [21:23] andarius: I'm doing great. Thanks. [21:23] Cryp71c, any particular reason why you aren't using a slackbuild for Filezilla? [21:24] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-71-153-131-202.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:24] ok, i'll give it a shot. [21:24] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@c-69-180-248-119.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] thanks again [21:24] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021910]" [21:24] jerojasr1 (n=jerojasr@190.252.147.35) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:24] I have slack 12.1. Can I install the firefox 3.0 package that was released for slackware 12.2? [21:25] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-1-31.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:26] give it a try cryptic0 then let us know [21:26] ccfreak2k: in my experience the output of slackbuild-directions is often a binary which means I'm going to need to know all of this when I go to do that. [21:27] me_, yeah, I suppose I can always revert back. [21:27] Cryp71c, actually, the output is a Slackware package. [21:27] ccfreak2k: ah. [21:29] The point is that the script automates the process of building and packaging in the program in question to make installation/removal a simple process. [21:30] Right that makes sense...didn't seem to make a great deal before when I thought it would output only a binary (which would then have to be ported and symlinked) [21:30] BTW anyone have a recommended torrent client? [21:30] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:31] me_, just installed. so far so good. seems they got rid of the big back button in 3.0.7. [21:31] _vertigo (n=sandbox@65.91.210.171) joined ##slackware. [21:31] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:31] haha [21:32] nice touch [21:33] yeah I wasn't a big fan of that button [21:34] rolfo (n=steve@c-76-100-46-119.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:35] snowdonkey (n=bennett@c-98-227-222-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] rolfo (n=steve@c-76-100-46-119.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] Hi. Can someone tell me how to install a program that uses cmake? [21:35] I'm trying to compile and install yzis, but its docs nor its website have instructions for installing from the source. [21:35] tntslack (n=will@adsl138-110.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: No route to host [21:36] snowdonkey: mkdir build; cd build; cmake ..; make; make install [21:36] tntslack (n=will@adsl138-110.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:36] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-119-229.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:37] jkwood: Ah, thx a lot. [21:38] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:38] You can check out some of the scripts from http://slackbuilds.org for more nitty-gitty options. [21:39] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-182-81.epm.net.co) left irc: Connection timed out [21:40] Yeah, I'm a big fan of slackbuilds. Even followed the slackwiki guide so I've made some of my own for my personal use. [21:41] I tried the yz-sM3 slackbuild from slacky.eu first but it seems like that version requires specifically Lua 5.0 for some reason. [21:41] detringj (n=jay@adsl-71-153-131-202.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:42] kleanchap (n=chatzill@69.143.107.103) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [21:43] When I'm doing a build using a slackbuild package, do I execute the .sh or ? [21:43] wow GNU is going after non-free javascript now .... [21:44] Cryp71c: The .SlackBuild. [21:44] http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [21:45] LikeVinyl (n=lalala@200.125.76.26) joined ##slackware. [21:46] mn (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/mn) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021910]" [21:47] acidkill (n=acidkill@24.144.103.6) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [21:48] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [21:50] nfermat_ (n=nfermat@unaffiliated/nfermat) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:52] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [21:53] hi, i tried what you folks suggeted, and i found that setup will not see the space i allocated in vista, just like fdisk can't. [21:53] tntslack (n=will@adsl138-110.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:54] so , if i use fdisk, is it capable of repationing my whole hd? [21:54] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:54] i know it'll be desstructive, but will fdisk handle a 320 G hd? [21:55] fdisk can handle that size and more [21:55] if you set up space in vista i would only go as far as to leave it unallocated. not sure what you got here before [21:56] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:56] andarius: the laptop has 4 vista partitons, 1 is recovery 2 is vista c: 3 is data this is the one i dived using vista shrink tool and partiton 4 is recovery also [21:56] if fdisk did not see the sapce/drive make sure your controller was recognized and the drives as well (fdisk -l), then make sure you specified the right drive [21:57] bzyk (n=bzyk@dys117.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:57] i am in no way familiar with vista [21:57] or any of its tools. [21:57] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] fdisk /dev/sda sees partition 1, 2, 3 and 5, but not the one i made. [21:58] it likely made your new partition as 5 [21:58] as 4 would max out the table and you could have no more. by making it 5 (extended) the count can go on [21:58] in fact the data drive , the one i divided in half, is seen as a half by fdisk, but it can't see the other half. [21:58] snowdonkey (n=bennett@c-98-227-222-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [21:59] vista my have made it hidden. try leaving the space unallocated [21:59] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "bbl" [22:00] right, i shrunk it using vista, left it as unallocated, rebooted with slack cd, and found that it wasn't seen by fdsk, and actually cfdisk gave me error 3, that the partion table started where it began, or some such error [22:01] sounds like vista nonsense. using the vista tools i have no idea [22:01] thanks for your time. [22:01] sure [22:01] probably the shrinking that buggered it [22:01] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.28.10) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:01] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.28.10) joined ##slackware. [22:02] i don't know, i just shrank my friends laptop the other day and slack went on as smooth as silk. [22:02] mind you, he had only two recovery partitons and c: [22:03] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) joined ##slackware. [22:03] so i shrunk c, and we were fine. [22:03] i took 10 or so G's from it and installed slack. [22:04] anyhow, Should I use fdisk to repartion my whole drive ? [22:04] will it write to my mbr properly? [22:05] i know that it will blow away vista. but i just want to be sure that it will work. [22:05] ? [22:05] hey all, im thinkin about switching my laptop to slack [22:05] but i have one question befor I do [22:05] nice timing, beatzz [22:05] heh [22:06] what types of partitions exist on your disk blkdg [22:06] all primary? [22:06] ( i figured slackware users can handle it ) [22:07] grazymax (n=grazymax@host184-154-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:07] will this guide be sufficent to get wireless working on the laptop, considering this is the driver its working perfectly on atm. [22:07] http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#fw-b43-old [22:08] it seems very distro un-specific [22:08] That seems to be fine, yes. [22:08] and looks to me like, if done in slackware would properly setup wireless [22:08] me according to vista, the layout is 'simple' type is 'basic' c: and d: are ntfs, the first two have nothing under file system(these are the recovery partiotns) the status is healthy for all 4 and the two bland ones are ESIA, and C is labled boot [22:08] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-67-65-197-68.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [22:08] Check if slackbuilds.org has a build for b43-fwcutter [22:08] It does. [22:08] i unshrunk d btw, it's full size now. [22:09] Action: jkwood goes digging [22:09] slackware package sorta? [22:09] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/b43-firmware/ [22:09] http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [22:09] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-97.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] Why thankyou [22:10] does that make sence me_ [22:10] :) [22:10] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [22:10] bland / blank .... [22:10] type is basic? [22:11] layout is simple? [22:11] all 4 are primary according to vista [22:11] well there we go [22:11] that's what the chart says [22:11] you can have a max of 4 primary partitions [22:11] on 1 disk [22:11] cool [22:11] .... [22:12] or 3 primary and 1 extended [22:12] so the install i did on my friends machine the other day worked beause his laptop had one less partions than mine. [22:12] errr [22:12] yep [22:12] cool [22:12] how vista let you create the other 5th partition i dont know [22:13] sourcery or something [22:13] umm, it called it unallocated [22:13] and i couldn't format it [22:13] i see [22:13] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:13] hba (n=hba@189.188.148.91) joined ##slackware. [22:13] i could right click and give it a dynamic voule ? i think that's what it was called [22:14] dynamic disks can have like 32 partitions or something [22:14] i doubt fdisk would recognise that though [22:14] anyhow the warning mesage said that there would be os booting problems from that partion [22:14] right, which explains cfdisk crapping out, and fdisk seeing them all but the unallocated one. [22:15] i guess it didnt see it because it couldnt really exist [22:15] gbonvehim (i=1000@200.69.244.1) left irc: "leaving" [22:15] i see dead partions [22:15] fati (n=brian@71.238.167.164) joined ##slackware. [22:15] ... [22:15] try and merge some of the 4 together [22:15] to create room for a blank 4th partition [22:16] or 3rd and 4th [22:16] or just let slack go wild on D [22:16] 3rd [22:16] hi to all [22:16] yeah whatever suits you [22:16] hello [22:16] so that 1 and 4 are still recovery and 2 is still vista [22:16] someone has installed the -current packages of kde4? [22:17] mannynix (n=mannynix@201.164.97.23) left irc: "leaving" [22:17] any have of course you should use -current if you want to use the kde4 packages [22:17] right now the machine's new enought at the 3rd partion is empty except for a msdia80.dll [22:18] dhabyx: -current kde4 packages wont' work on 12.2. do you mean using full -current ? [22:18] coolies [22:18] ok thanks again. [22:18] erisco (n=kambee@ip72-209-59-92.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021910]" [22:18] your welcome [22:20] thrice`, I'm using slackware current now, but all aps kde-based has many problems [22:20] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:20] lucasagomes (n=lucasgom@189-47-244-110.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:20] lucasagomes (n=lucasgom@189-47-244-110.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:21] dhabyx: what does this say? 'ls /var/log/packages/glibc-2*' ? [22:21] thrice`, symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.5: undefined symbol: _ZN7QTabBar9hideEventEP10QHideEvent [22:22] hba (n=hba@189.188.148.91) left irc: "leaving" [22:22] dhabyx: my question first :) [22:23] thrice`, ls /var/log/packages/glibc-2* [22:23] /var/log/packages/glibc-2.9-i486-1 [22:23] :D [22:24] hba (n=hba@189.188.148.91) joined ##slackware. [22:27] ok guys, next time you see me i'll be on slack [22:27] peace, wish me luck w/ wifi install [22:28] that's an excellent attitude [22:28] going to a friends house to back up data [22:28] then run the install there [22:28] beatzz (n=beatzz@97-114-80-78.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:28] gbonvehim (i=1000@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [22:29] cuba (n=cubicka@84.19.44.65) left irc: "Leaving" [22:30] _vertigo (n=sandbox@65.91.210.171) left ##slackware. [22:31] next time we see beatzz he'll be on ubuntu [22:31] lol [22:32] now that's not a positive attitude [22:32] http://www.shell-fu.org/lister.php?id=375 <-- handy little thing [22:32] realism is a quality [22:33] tar xvf exists, you know :D [22:34] dscpl0 (n=sulo@cpe.atm2-0-76461.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [22:35] yeah, *.tar) tar xvf $1<- [22:36] and this one: http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/browse/sort-by-votes is especially nice. I think even some of the veterans here will find a few they don't know :) [22:36] havacci (n=havacci@unaffiliated/havacci) joined ##slackware. [22:39] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [22:41] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-119-229.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [22:42] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:42] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:42] Ficthe, very nice links [22:42] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:42] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:43] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:44] havacci (n=havacci@unaffiliated/havacci) left irc: "Saindo" [22:45] exit [22:45] eep! [22:45] fati (n=brian@71.238.167.164) left irc: "Leaving" [22:45] no [22:46] anybody know how to add a custom keyboard shortcut in kde? [22:47] systemsettings -> keyboard and mouse -> global keyboard shorcuts [22:47] Wait... kde 4 or kde 3.5? [22:48] Action: jkwood could have sworn he saw a 4 on there [22:49] ? [22:50] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) joined ##slackware. [22:50] Action: antler hits me_ over the head with a cast iron skillet [22:50] hba (n=hba@189.188.148.91) left irc: "leaving" [22:51] antler: I've got the hvr-1600 up and running. [22:51] oh hey chopp :) [22:52] you're using myth, yeah? [22:53] yes, and I ran into the same problem as you did but found a fix. [22:53] chopp: you mean with x not starting? [22:53] yup [22:54] chopp: would you happen to have a link? [22:54] I had to blacklist the cx18, and load it from rc.local. [22:54] oh weird [22:55] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-119-229.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] there's probably a better way, but that works for now. :) [22:56] i'll try that. thanks for the links and the help, chopp ; really appreciate it :) [22:56] i had to blacklist -> blacklist cx23885 [22:56] no problem at all, anything to avoid you firing up M$. ;) [22:57] that was keeping me frolm booting when the kernel was loading it on this machine fo rthe fscked up tv-in card that is unsupported and onboard [22:58] dtanner: hmm, what a guy doesn't have to do to watch a little tube. [22:59] =0 [22:59] chopp: yeah, it can be a bother sometimes.... [22:59] Action: dtanner picks out a new playlist [23:00] i love the soundtrack to teh Godzilla remake frmo 1998, damn good soundtrack [23:01] pirvings (n=Talkingt@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:02] chopp: what made you think of blacklisting it and the putting it in rc.local? [23:02] pirving (n=Talkingt@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:04] antler: many hours of no sleep trying to figure it out, and willing at that point to try anything. ;) [23:05] chopp: :) [23:05] I don't remember if I had to do this the last time I had this card up or not. [23:07] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@c-69-180-248-119.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:08] gonna try it. brb [23:08] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:09] H4ck3r (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] hi [23:10] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [23:10] I want to change my shadow file encryption mode to MD5 [23:10] Could you please help me with that [23:11] dscpl0 (n=sulo@cpe.atm2-0-76461.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) left irc: "Leaving" [23:12] looks like no one here [23:13] mannynix (n=mannynix@201.164.97.23) joined ##slackware. [23:13] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [23:13] chopp: hm, no love [23:14] chopp: in one of your posts, you mentioned renaming the firmware. why and to what? [23:14] H4ck3r: What do you mean "change" to that? It's the default. [23:14] I mean my system currently using $6$ , SHA2 [23:15] rworkman, thanks for you pkg upgrades to xfe [23:15] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [23:15] rworkman, can I change it back to MD5 [23:15] ? [23:15] mrselfpwn: np [23:15] antler: I don't remember why I had to do that and can't find my notes. I didn't rename them this time. [23:16] H4ck3r: what exactly are you doing to determine that it's not currently being used? [23:16] which one is currently being used? [23:16] antler: have you tried moving the card to a different slot? [23:17] H4ck3r: why do you think that what you want to be used isn't being used? [23:17] speaking of notes, this is slightly off topic, though anyone have a suggestion for a jot down note system with memory usage? [23:17] me_ (n=me_@78.146.205.206) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:17] *low memory usage. [23:17] rworkman: i'm not sure [23:17] if I change a password with passwd utility [23:17] chopp: i haven't tried that yet. worth a shot [23:18] it's automatically inserted in shadow file with $6$ [23:18] mrselfpwn: like a todo list? [23:18] Umm... MD5 for shadow? That doesn't sound particularly secure. [23:18] mrselfpwn: Have you tried the note plugin that's available to XFCE4? [23:18] I know jkwood [23:19] Notes with reminders [23:19] but I have a reason to change it back [23:19] :) [23:19] antler: I read somewhere that some motherboards will only allow the card in slot 1 or 2. [23:19] jkwood: do you know how ? :) [23:19] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.60.116) left irc: "Leaving" [23:20] H4ck3r: see /etc/login.defs -- search for "MD5_CRYPT" [23:20] I'm looking for one with no dependencies for kde or gnome [23:20] Not offhand. [23:20] k [23:20] The encryption is md5-based, from what I can tell, and as far as I know, that's the only option. [23:21] chopp: heh i think there are only 2 pci slots on this mobo [23:22] thanks rworkman: i'm looking into it [23:22] :) [23:22] antler: well try the other one I guess. Worth a shot. [23:22] not sure if this can be used on my system [23:22] You can /c [23:22] oops [23:22] i'm using ubuntu server8.10 [23:22] chopp: yah [23:22] with default encryption is SHA2 [23:23] H4ck3r: oh, they're probably using a newer shadowutils version [23:23] yes [23:23] Check the /etc/login.defs on that machine then :) [23:23] ;) [23:24] thank you :) [23:24] yw; good luck [23:26] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-69-135.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:27] Which package contains kde-config? [23:27] kdelibs. [23:27] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:32] thanks jkwood [23:34] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:34] No problem. [23:36] Nick change: dtanner -> mesa [23:38] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:39] small question. In bash, if I've typed out something and press Ctrl xe, emacs is opened up to "edit" that command [23:39] I would prefer that vim be opened, what modification do I need to make for this? [23:39] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.244.236) joined ##slackware. [23:40] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-97.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:44] Ficthe, that opens vim for me - what do you have set for EDITOR and VISUAL? [23:46] dive, sorry, how can I tell? :x [23:46] echo $EDITOR [23:47] bash-3.1$ echo $EDITOR -- gives nothing [23:47] try 'export EDITOR=/usr/bin/vim' [23:48] Alternatively, removepkg emacs [23:48] export EDITOR=/usr/bin/vim worked -- thanks! [23:49] now you can put that command in ~/.bashrc [23:49] so it gets set when you login [23:49] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:50] mshade: New logo, eh? [23:50] yep, just did that, thanks. [23:50] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:51] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:52] P4C0 (n=susana@190.141.75.90) joined ##slackware. [23:55] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [23:58] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [23:59] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-222-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Mon Mar 23 2009