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[00:14] too silent at all [00:14] antiwire has got the spirit [00:14] antiwire: no, it's duck season [00:14] Action: tuvok302Lappy accidently pulls the shotgun trigger [00:14] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:14] O.o [00:14] tuvok302Lappy: you shot me [00:15] Action: tuvok302Lappy throws tsccof a medkit [00:15] I need health potions [00:15] Use that, you'll live. [00:15] Bah. [00:15] Action: tuvok302Lappy digs through his inventory looking for a health potion [00:15] Action: tuvok302Lappy throws a potion of full heal at tsccof [00:15] Action: tsccof takes the potion, drinks it [00:16] thanks tuvok302Lappy [00:16] A phoenix down would probably have been easier to use [00:16] Hmm... True. [00:16] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:16] I heard some people had sound problems with -current [00:16] you're all nerds... sheeesh [00:16] Action: tuvok302Lappy shoots tsccof again until death then uses a pheonix down [00:17] have you guys had any? [00:17] I reckon fire|bird had problems with his home theatre [00:18] I'm on dial-up. I'm lucky I've even managed to upgrade to 13 [00:18] tsccof: indeed, but not on -current, not even on Slackware. Works perfectly in Slackware. [00:18] 13 and -current [00:18] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:19] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] ah okay [00:19] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] my next investment will be a small computer, fanless, and install slack + xbmc on it [00:20] I might even make it my new router. [00:20] !nvidia [00:20] hmm, I need a new desktop computer [00:20] i7 or better [00:21] i7 [00:21] i need a new desktop too, i've had this one for a year.. i7 940, 12 gigs of ram.. got ssd a month ago.. [00:21] make -j4 flies [00:22] jeev: is the i7 940 12gb of RAM your current one or the one you are planning to get? [00:22] jeev: Can you PM me please? If I'm really not on ignore. [00:22] maginot (~maginot@189.4.104.148) joined ##slackware. [00:24] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: brb [00:24] Or, I'll PM you. [00:25] maginot (~maginot@189.4.104.148) left irc: Client Quit [00:25] elbeardmorez (~elbeardmo@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:25] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. 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[00:48] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.121.225) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:50] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt5-port-222.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [00:50] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-98.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:50] neonflux (~neonflux@ip67-152-80-241.z80-152-67.customer.algx.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:50] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:51] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:52] linuxguy (~linuxguy@5ad5ef10.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [00:53] hhmm........just tried to rum package manager and it said i needed to install smart, where is that please? [00:54] linuxguy: What command did you execute to run "package manager" ? [00:54] antiwire, its wasss on the menu [00:54] kpackage. It's broken. Don't use it. [00:54] And with that gem, I'm afk for nini. [00:54] rworkman, ah i see thanks [00:55] open cli and use slackpkg for official slackware stuff and sbopkg (download) for slackbuilds.org [00:55] dang it. rworkman...FT steal! [00:55] antiwire, so i cant install apps then? [00:55] linuxguy: from a command line, run "pkgtool" [00:55] or, you can look into "slackpkg" [00:56] And what do you know, I just echoed what alisonken1noc said... [00:57] This is the scene where I exit stage right. [00:57] :) [00:57] linuxguy: get your nvidia card working? [00:57] alisonken1home, what is cli please? [00:57] "command line interface" - otherwise known as "terminal" [00:58] agentc0re, hhmm im not sure, i looked at horizsync and it was low, so i edited the xorg.conf file and i now have a 1280x9 something resolution [00:59] linuxguy: Nice. I thought that was probably it. I recommend you google the model of your Monitor and find out it's exact spec's so you can put in the correct horizsync and vertical refresh because improper settings can lead to a broken monitor. [01:00] among other thing [01:00] s [01:01] linuxguy: next, type "/topic" here in IRC. there are some good links that you should look at, slackbook being one of them. [01:02] agentc0re, i am suspecting a monitor / card mismatch, if i used an ati card i would be fine, but since nvdia and kde keep on churning out drivers and modules every few days im not suprised everything is confused [01:02] CaptChron (CaptChron@host-72-174-13-61.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:02] now is there something similair out like synaptic for slackware? [01:02] linuxguy: i think you have no clue what you're talking about. [01:03] heh [01:03] synaptic is a kernel driver [01:03] agentc0re, i disagree kde core is changing weekly nvidia drivers are cahanging and sometimes being recalled [01:03] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:04] linuxguy: you know this but yet you don't know what a CLI is? gtfo.. [01:04] linuxguy: /topic and rtfm. [01:04] cli = terminal [01:04] was I just obvious trolled? omg. [01:05] I was owned. [01:05] Normally, I see these coming but this time, linuxguy nailed me. [01:09] hah - http://nextgenhacker101.com/ <-- kid using traceroute thinks that the IP's being posted are other people's IP's [01:09] rather than the hop router IP's [01:11] alisonken1noc: ya, i found that a couple weeks ago.. it's pretty good, made me laugh real hard. [01:13] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-98.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:13] hahahaha that reminds me of agentc0re's earlier days of computing.. (3 months ago) [01:13] One time, at nerd camp, I stuck a CAT5E in a girl's.... [01:13] SWITCH! [01:13] bahaha [01:14] jeev: Well you told me to video tape you for that video, so i did it. [01:15] ;( [01:15] you promised not to tell [01:16] jeev: just like you promised not to say anything about 3 months ago... [01:16] antiwire: girls have switches??! OOHhhh. [01:16] knobs too [01:16] dials [01:16] ;/ [01:17] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:17] Sweet! [01:18] antiwire: I guess sometimes ready the man page really helps eh? linuxguy *wink *wink *hint *hint *nudge *nudge !! [01:18] antiwire: Seen any that have went all touchscreen? [01:18] fire|bird: i was about to lay out the mom joke, but then came to the terms of.... oh, that's mine too. [01:20] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:38] agentc0re, this is my 1st time installing and using slackware........i have to get used to afew things here [01:39] Action: agentc0re uses new antiwire tactic [01:39] lol [01:41] LOL [01:43] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.72.83) joined ##slackware. [01:43] linuxguy (~linuxguy@5ad5ef10.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:43] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:46] linuxguy (~linuxguy@5ad5ef10.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [01:47] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:47] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Quit: 42 [01:47] guilhermebaratto (~guilherme@189.34.119.85) left irc: Quit: Saindo [01:47] now all i need to see is about installing apps /games/ etc on slackware :) [01:49] ggrr and why the hell doesnt kopete remember the account Ive just added after a reboot? [01:52] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:53] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:54] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [01:55] can i upgarde to kde 4.4.? easily? [01:55] ke onda mario [01:55] linuxguy, I still can't [01:55] =/ [01:55] linuxguy, what you use? 13.0 or current? [01:56] biker, ive missed posts since i rebooted [01:56] biker, im using 13 [01:56] linuxguy, me too, and i havent figure it out how to upgrade to 4.4 :p [01:56] I found some packages but are for current [01:56] biker, maybe we cant :( [01:57] linuxguy, there must be a way.. [01:57] I tried compiling all the kde by myself [01:57] but for that I must upgrade qt,., and I did that (2 hours compiling QT ) [01:57] but kdelibs still telling me i dont have install QT the newst version [01:58] i did this a while ago, well a few hrs ago and i did update and install graphics drivers, but im still at 4.2. something [01:58] linuxguy, yea me too [01:58] I want al least 4.3 [01:58] but 4.4 would be cooler [01:59] 4.4 is great looks so smooth and friendly [01:59] linuxguy, from what distro do you come? [01:59] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [02:00] biker, i try many many distros mostly debian based or debian testing and im thinking of going back to testing [02:00] linuxguy, lol [02:01] well lets ask [02:01] does someone knows if there is a way to upgrade to kde 4.4 on 13.0? [02:01] ialso like arch [02:02] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-14.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:02] linuxguy, i have never testet arch,., [02:02] I ones i have used for long time were fedora and mint [02:03] lol lol lol your boat, gently down the stream... [02:03] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-181-253.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:04] biker, i used fedora for years and after 10 i gave up couldnt get graphics cards working, arogant ppl in irc channels, ppl in debian can be the samedebians squueze looks amzing and so far advanced, [02:05] alice_ (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:05] zup antiwire ,., I could compile successfully the kernel with your instructions,, thanks :) [02:05] oh yes and look at all those apps available! [02:06] alice_ (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:06] biker: awesome! [02:07] you're welcome ;) [02:07] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:07] antiwire, you have to understand a distro is not just for the sake of installing and using, it has to be able to be updated and use more packages, i personaly do not want to build anything, id like to install an app and use it [02:07] linuxguy, you are on the wrong distro : [02:07] :p [02:08] biker, so you got upgraded to 4.4 then? [02:08] linuxguy, nop [02:08] im still in 4.2 [02:09] biker, then whay am i on the wrong distro? [02:10] because you dont like compiling and guessing you dont like solving problems [02:11] tsccof (~Tsccof@201-89-157-223.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:11] it would be interesting if he tried gentoo then :) [02:11] lol :p [02:12] bsd ;) [02:12] xD [02:12] Channel flood from biker -- kicking [02:12] linuxguy, http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/kde-maintenance-4-4-1-is-out/ [02:12] biker kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [02:12] biker (~biker@201.130.125.15.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [02:12] i didnt flood but ok =/ [02:12] :p [02:12] linuxguy, http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/kde-maintenance-4-4-1-is-out/ [02:12] those are kde 4.4 packages but you need to have slackware current to use them [02:13] actually - slackboy defines flood as 3 lines too fast :) [02:13] :p [02:13] if i want to install open office I want to use it, example i got info regarding nvidia driver and it worked 1st time, i can follow instructios and i dont mind waiting at the pc for it to do something [02:13] linuxguy, I needed 5 hours to compile openofficeGO ;) [02:14] biker, which OO-GO? [02:14] all I need is sbopkg to install OO.o [02:15] biker, thats my problem with debian based distros its like 10 mins to install and use :) [02:15] alisonken1noc, i installed with sbopkg,., but it took that long [02:15] Blikjeham (~Blikjeham@reson.soleus.nu) joined ##slackware. [02:15] MLanden, yea [02:15] mosltly d/l time? [02:15] alisonken1noc, no,., mostly compiling time [02:15] biker, meant to say,which version? [02:16] MLanden, let me see [02:16] MLanden, openoffice.org 3.1.1, OOO310m19 (build:9420) [02:16] build 3.1.1.5 [02:17] biker, ok [02:17] :) [02:17] is mostly used to using apt-get or synaptic to install any app :) [02:17] linuxguy, well here you can use slackpkg, sbopkg, or slapt-get [02:17] but never use slapt-get [02:18] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [02:18] never use an unofficial source, but slapt-get is fine [02:18] biker thanks for the info / chat i will be here laters........byee for now......need shut eyes [02:19] SiegeX, many people in this channel told me since my begginning that if I use slapt-get,., I will not get suppor here :P [02:19] linuxguy: Use slackpkg and sbopkg. slackpkg comes with slackware for a reason as slapt-get doesn't. [02:19] linuxguy, ok take care :) cya [02:20] linuxguy, if you find an answer for getting kde 4.4, tell me plz :) [02:20] slapt-get is not supported [02:20] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.72.83) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet? [02:21] i'll support it though [02:21] as long as you didnt use an unofficial source [02:21] and if you didn't, then really there is nothing to support because you just used pkgtools [02:22] oo ok :) [02:22] SiegeX: then if that's the case, why not use slackpkg? it comes with slackware. [02:23] biker: you're on 13.0 ? [02:23] trhodes, yes [02:24] agentc0re, obviously - slackpkg doesn't support deps :) [02:24] top 4 reasons: 1) slapt-get has been around for much longer so its codebase is more mature 2) it's compiled not interpreted like slackpkg 3) slackpkg doesn't support regex for it's blacklist 4) slackpkg's 'check-updates' is very lacking. [02:24] I can live without #1 and #2, but #3 and #4 are a no deal for me. and when slackpkg gets #3 and #4 I'll make a strong consideration to switch over [02:25] how is #4 lacking? it's checking against official slackware mirror [02:25] although #3 would be nice, you can always help build it up [02:25] "there is news" is pretty much what I would consider lacking [02:25] interesting - I do "slackpkg upgrade-all" and I get a nice ncurses list of packages available for upgrade [02:25] versus: httpd-1.2.3.4 will be updated to httpd-5.6.7.8 [02:26] but that doesn't work very well for email notifications [02:26] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [02:26] or to put in cron, because it wants you to update then and there [02:26] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-222-69.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:27] a --simulate feature similar to slapt-get would solve that as well, and pretty much make 'check-updates' deprecated [02:27] trhodes, why? [02:28] there was a 5 but i forget at the moment what that was [02:29] biker: because KDE 4.4.x on slackware 13.0 is a different beast than -current :) [02:29] trhodes, yea :p [02:30] trhodes, I saw kde 4.4 packages for current :p [02:30] trhodes, I tried to manually compile the whole kde :p [02:31] biker: wow [02:31] I could install succesfully the newest QT,., but when I tried to compile kdelibs,., it tells me that I have a very old version of qt [02:31] oh right, install-new wants to install every slackware package there is where as I really just want to upgrade the packages in the base set(s). [02:32] so i guess it isnt recognizing my new QT trhodes =/ [02:32] alisonken1noc: deps, what are those? ;) [02:32] heh [02:33] SiegeX, didn't say anything about install-new [02:33] and that's what blacklist is for as well [02:33] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [02:33] I was responding to my earlier statement about there being a #5 that I forgot at the moment [02:34] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-14.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [02:34] t0yt0y (~paulnamua@unaffiliated/t0yt0y) joined ##slackware. [02:34] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@unaffiliated/t0yt0y' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [02:34] t0yt0y kicked from ##slackware by ChanServ: User is banned from this channel [02:35] ah [02:35] and that seems like a very poor use case for a blacklist. I shouldn't have to blacklist 120+ packages to go from 13.0 to 13.1 or whathave you. I just want to upgrade the packages in the base set that are must haves for 13.1 and the packages i currently have installed. [02:35] elemenohpee (~si@cpe-67-49-143-84.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:35] well, since there's not a 13.1 out yet .... :) [02:35] i wonder how far off 13.1 is... [02:35] and hopefully there will be such a slackpkg feature when it does [02:35] but if you check the changelog, there are issues when upgrading that can only be fixed by changing some packages [02:37] that's fine, I am 100% on board with reading and following UPGRADE.txt. [02:37] pupiteee (~p@93.86.158.33) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:37] trhodes: my bet is "when it's ready" :) [02:38] does patrick sometime gets in here? [02:38] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:38] neptun (~neptun@217.117.141.42) joined ##slackware. [02:38] occasionally [02:39] Blikjeham (~Blikjeham@reson.soleus.nu) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:39] but there's also a troll or two that like to login with a similar nic to his [02:39] gregsparc_ (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [02:39] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:39] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc [02:39] lol [02:40] all the things ive listed are just growing pains with new software such as slackpkg and are to be expected. It gets better with each release but switching over from slapt-get at this point would be a loss of functionality for me and I'm not willing to do that just because it comes with a shiny "official" stamp. [02:41] anyway, everybody has a crucade, slapt-get appears to be mine [02:41] whatever floats your bot - as long as you don't mind not being supported with it [02:41] heh [02:41] sQuEE (~narya@201.252.25.192) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:42] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: omgwtfgtfolmaololbbq [02:42] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-181-253.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:42] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-57-237.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [02:43] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-14.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:44] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-14.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [02:44] do you think if I change the "set (QT_MIN_VERSION "4.6.0")" of cmake to the version it is recognizing,., it will work? [02:45] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-181-253.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:45] because I have the min version installed but it doesnt recognize it [02:45] welcome back MLanden [02:45] thanks,fire|bird...how've you been? [02:45] MLanden: been great, thanks. How about you? [02:46] fire|bird: doin' fine thanks [02:46] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:47] Blikjeham (~Blikjeham@reson.soleus.nu) joined ##slackware. [02:50] MLanden: The nice weather is finally starting to arrive here, was 48F and sunny today, very nice. [02:50] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [02:51] pupiteee (~p@93.86.90.24) joined ##slackware. [02:51] fire|bird: hear ya..been in 'between 70F-78F here and sunny as well [02:51] MLanden: thanks for the fotoxx recommendation, it's a nice bit of software [02:52] Gr1nch (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [02:52] trhodes: np....it's a nice in-between to gimp...quick touch-ups and such [02:53] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-57-237.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:53] Blikjeham (~Blikjeham@reson.soleus.nu) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [02:53] fire|bird: saw this wallpaper changer for qt4 on freshmeat called wally... http://freshmeat.net/projects/wally [02:55] MLanden: looks pretty slick, thanks. [02:55] fire|bird: np [02:56] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [02:56] MLanden: sometimes I switch wallpapers quite often, and other times I'll keep the same one for a while. :P [02:57] fire|bird: bout the same...haven't got spring fever(theme-wise) yet...:P [02:58] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:58] well g2g [02:58] cya all [02:59] seeya [02:59] see ya biker [02:59] take care,biker [02:59] thanks,., = [02:59] Blikjeham (~Blikjeham@reson.soleus.nu) joined ##slackware. [02:59] ciao [02:59] :) [03:00] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:00] biker (~biker@201.130.125.15.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:00] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.121.225) joined ##slackware. [03:01] MLanden: Yeah, same here, this is what I got currently: http://omploader.org/vM3d0aw If only I had remembered to turn off the camera's date imprinting. :/ [03:03] fire|bird: nice...at least it's on a dark area where you can cover over (either by gradual airbrush or by a smooth smudge over)..:D [03:04] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:04] MLanden: yeah, aside from that, it turned out good. [03:05] DBAmethyst (~panzer@69-29-105-1.stat.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:06] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-95-109.gwi.net) left irc: Quit: = [03:06] DBAmethyst (~panzer@69-29-105-1.stat.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [03:08] fire|bird, what is the name of the theme you are using? (I mean the taskbar looks nice, unlike the default shiny one). And what is the KDE version? [03:08] can slackware's DVD's be copied to and installed from a USB stick? I'd rather not spend the extra $$$ on a cdrom drive for this new mini-itx im about to build if i dont have to [03:09] alreadygone: KDE 4.4.1, theme = Oxygen [03:09] no - but there's a howto in the pxe-and-usb-boot directory [03:09] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:09] thanks ... :) [03:09] well, if you were using grub2, maybe, but anyways... [03:09] I'll try that now [03:10] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.121.225) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:12] Hermann (~Hermannn@m83-178-248-104.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [03:13] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.121.225) joined ##slackware. [03:13] SiegeX, did you see the note? [03:13] alisonken1noc: "In order to install Slackware you will need a local NFS/HTTP/FTP server or ..." It doesn't really have to be 'local' right? I could use an official mirror as long as I get my network card up and running, yes? [03:13] SiegeX, which version were you looking at? [03:14] well, not _officially_ supported, but I've seen some people post here that they've used public repositories [03:14] with slackpkg [03:15] the only _real_ reason for local would be nfs since nfs is not really internet routable [03:16] fire|bird, are you sure it's Oxygen? My Oxygen is the shiny blue one. Should I upgrade my KDE? Mine is 4.2.4. [03:16] sure, that makes sense. But when it says I can use http or ftp, I'm assuming at some point it prompts me for it and I could just use whatever mirror im using now? [03:17] but you're saying if I want to use ftp/http I need to do that with slackpkg? [03:17] alreadygone: yes, it is oxygen, 4.2.4 has the old oxygen though, where the panel is blue, it's seen some changes since then. [03:17] SiegeX: you're talking about the installer ? [03:18] trhodes: yes [03:18] Hermann (~Hermannn@m83-178-248-104.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:18] Okay, thanks, I'll upgrade then [03:18] or does the installer actually look to see if the IP ive entered for the http or ftp address is non-routable, and if not refuse to take it? [03:19] you can use a mirror [03:19] (public) [03:19] arcfide (arcfide@adsl-99-14-208-10.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:19] http and ftp doesn't matter - as long as you can reach the appropriate package directories [03:19] Hey everyone. [03:19] ok, thats great news then. saves me like $60 [03:20] i think the installer just bombs out (any may re-prompt for the URL) [03:20] (if the URL is bad) [03:20] a/any/and/ [03:20] worst case i rsync slackware on my NAS [03:20] but i'd rather not [03:20] Hey arcfide [03:21] I keep an rsync of slackbuilds and slackware.mirrors.tds.net on my server [03:21] (same here) [03:22] curious as to why when you can just d/l the particular package you need in a few secons [03:22] *seconds [03:22] how do I switch to KDE 4.4 from KDE 4.2? Should I remove KDE 4.2? Or is there an upgrade option? [03:23] i'm serving ~5 slackers [03:23] alreadygone, there's an upgrade, but you have to be running -current [03:23] and the upgrade is currently not official (alieonBOB has it I believe) due to some packages that slackware doesn't install [03:23] ok, and if I am running stock Slackware 13? [03:23] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [03:24] sorry - there's some backend stuff (like policykit) that's not available for 13.0 [03:24] paissad_ (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:24] ok :| [03:24] however - alienBOB says 4.4 can be installed without it using his packages, but some features may be missing [03:25] I'll go to alienBOB's website... and read [03:25] thanks [03:28] pupiteee (~p@93.86.90.24) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:29] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [03:29] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.196) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:32] jrodger (~jrodger@220-244-204-235.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:37] Hrm, I just switched to a different router/network combination, and now my local sendmail + fetchmail configuration bombs with 451 resolution errors. Is there any way to isolate the problem to either the ISP's DNS servers or the router? [03:37] I have a minor issue at start up. [03:38] I tried to bypass the DNS on the router by using my ISP's DNS Servers directly in my resolv.conf file, and the issue seems to persist. [03:38] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.121.225) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:39] I'd like to see if I could figure out the exact issue though. [03:40] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:40] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.121.225) joined ##slackware. [03:41] DBAmethyst (~panzer@69-29-105-1.stat.centurytel.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:42] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-203.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:42] arcfide, are you behind 1 gateway only? [03:42] Bah, well, it appears that it was a temporary fluke in ATT's servers during system maintenance. :-( Stupid ISP. [03:42] DURgod (~DURgod@24-236-174-174.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [03:42] Everything works now. [03:42] ugh, ATT [03:43] Action: arcfide sighs. [03:43] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [03:44] pupiteee (~p@79.101.224.242) joined ##slackware. [03:45] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [03:48] jrodger (~jrodger@220-244-204-235.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:53] Timberly (~Timberly@net11-114-245-109.mbb.telenor.rs) joined ##slackware. [03:53] Hey kids at home, try this command: rm -rfv /* [03:53] anavel (~Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:54] Timberly: good way to get kick-banned here [03:55] DURgod (~DURgod@71-82-52-62.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [03:57] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.72.191) joined ##slackware. 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[04:12] Hey kids at home, try this command: rm -rfv /* [04:12] Marlon (~Marlon@180.72.115.94) left irc: Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) [04:13] elemenohpee (~si@cpe-67-49-143-84.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:18] brklynRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:18] brklynRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:23] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-203.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:25] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [04:25] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:27] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [04:27] Nick change: surround1r -> surrounder [04:30] DBAmethyst (~panzer@69-29-105-1.stat.centurytel.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:30] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [04:34] Coke (~coke@c-b3bee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [04:35] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@unaffiliated/t0yt0y expired. [04:35] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@unaffiliated/t0yt0y' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [04:38] DBAmethyst (~panzer@69-29-105-1.stat.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [04:38] Is there a reason that the huge.s kernel takes so long to load? [04:39] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:40] Coke: It contains everything but the kitchen sink. [04:40] Mel-nix: mm, that's true for a lot of installer kernels, but they dont load that slow [04:41] I'm thinking it might be the compression level or something [04:41] James____ (~benjsh@h92n5-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) left irc: [04:41] i wouldn't know how to find out [04:41] Also, is it possible to run syslinux stuff from non-FAT filesystems? [04:41] brklynRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:42] there is something called extlinux [04:42] http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/EXTLINUX [04:45] Blikjeham (~Blikjeham@reson.soleus.nu) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [04:47] LSD` (~ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:49] Coke: have you made any progress with a distributed filesystem ? [04:49] brainvision (brainvisi@95.238.47.2) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.1.1"). [04:50] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:51] Blikjeham (~Blikjeham@reson.soleus.nu) joined ##slackware. [04:52] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [04:53] jp_ (~jp@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [04:58] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:00] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. 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[05:19] Coke: yes.. its a huge kernel thats LZMA compressed an therefore thoroughly slow to decompress [05:21] especially on machines with many cores, but slow individual core speeds [05:28] Zordrak: can syslinux boot from another compression format? [05:28] I'm thinking of using the huge kernel, just recompress it using some quick bzip2 [05:28] snihf (~snihf@legendary.xserve.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:28] trhodes: you mean the AFS thing? [05:29] trhodes: I've gotten a Kerberos environment up on the Debian server for testing. [05:29] ooh, ive got to play with kerboeros soon [05:29] Kerberos5 is a very neet concept, just wish more software would intergrate it for authentication as well as authorization [05:29] phrags: it's a sweeet idea [05:29] apparently causing performance issues that need to be addressed [05:29] I can't see any reason why it shouldn't be the standard way to authenticate through pam [05:29] phrags: krb5? [05:30] MIT or heimdal? [05:30] MIT i think, i'm not sure yet, need to checkout all the systems [05:30] because getting a TGT from my KDC is done over internet in < 0.1s [05:30] tgt? [05:30] and the check is both safe and fast since no username or password is ever sent [05:30] phrags: ticket granting ticket, i.e a ticket to get other tickets [05:30] that is cool, i like that model [05:30] ah i see [05:31] indeed, neat stuff :) [05:31] phrags: you send your signed hash values to a server that simply says true/false [05:31] sweet [05:31] Yeah, I forgot since my days at the university how nice it works [05:31] As a bonus, you can set your Windows PDC's to use a KDC for authentication [05:31] and windows will actually hold on to the tickets [05:32] it's strange, i've never really come across it until recently [05:32] so if you setup SAMBA stuff you can use your krb5 auth there too [05:32] phrags: i know. it's just one of those things, "aarghl! cryptography. sounds like math, eeew!" [05:32] but it's really simple [05:32] so does it just work alongside ldap? [05:32] no extra deps [05:35] well its definalty a near future project for me [05:35] phrags: you can run it with ldap if you want yeah [05:35] i run krb5 MIT just as it is [05:35] totle (~totle@adsl-75-6-136-157.dsl.skt2ca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [05:35] and with the additional PAM module [05:36] i see, which distro is this on? [05:36] probably debian :) [05:36] Well, I tested it on debian, but the plan is to run it on slack [05:36] trhodes: yeah, legacy machine [05:36] ooh, pam on slack is brave =) [05:36] how come? [05:36] heh, just messing... just the fact PAM was removed.. sure it wont be too hard to implement [05:36] PAM's been the way to authenticate on linux since many years now [05:37] it did exist at one point =P [05:37] PAM was removed? [05:37] yeh [05:37] Why? [05:37] yes it was, some time ago [05:37] pam was there? [05:37] pat didn't like it [05:37] how come? [05:37] it's a pita to get all the pieces working together [05:37] but not as bad as gnome [05:37] Slackware is one of the last PAM-free Linux distributions [05:37] Yeah, but _why_? :) [05:37] afaik pam never even made it close to inclusion [05:38] hmm, not even years ago? [05:38] security holes afaik :/ [05:38] trhodes: really? [05:38] i specifically remember the discussion in this channel following it's removal [05:38] i suppose, i'm not sure [05:38] trhodes: and all the others just ignore those holes? [05:38] :P [05:38] How do you guys control authentication? [05:38] nss [05:38] or maybe that was on -current.. any old timers care to clarify ? [05:38] no - they patch upstream sources to match their setup [05:38] Coke, what kind of authentication are you talking about [05:38] phrags: around what time was that supposed to be? [05:39] alisonken1noc: login, su, sudo, ssh, etc [05:39] pprkut: ooh, +5 years, maybe 8? [05:39] they don't use pam [05:39] little things here and there have to be changed to use PAM [05:39] Ah [05:40] PAM was removed in Slackware 9.1 [05:40] simple passwd/shadow auth [05:40] mostly, yes [05:40] ldap [05:40] Well, it's not really removed [05:40] or I guess it was [05:40] But PAM never was mandatory [05:40] it just so happens it's so good that everybody includes it since a simple passwd/shadow auth doesn't give much control [05:40] useless for things like live dists etc though [05:41] is it available as a package? [05:41] phrags: oh, hmm, interesting. [05:41] "If you see a security problem reported which depends on PAM, you can be glad you run Slackware. I think a better name for PAM might be SCAM, for Swiss Cheese Authentication Modules, and have never felt that the small amount of convenience it provides is worth the great loss of system security. We miss out on half a dozen security problems a year by not using PAM, but you can always install it yourself if you feel that you're missing out on the fu [05:41] i forget how old that quote is... [05:41] where's that quote from? [05:42] http://l0k1.free.fr/aolsfaq.html#XX45 [05:42] found it here, but iirc, it's from 9.1 Changelog [05:42] well, pam provides some nice things but if it implies linking it to each and every component on the system, something is wrong [05:42] indeed, i found it on a mirror [05:42] I'm sure the FreeBSD guys are crying themselves to sleep every night over these "security holes" [05:43] ;) [05:43] phrags: you cut off the nice part: "We miss out on half a [05:43] dozen security problems a year by not using PAM, but you can always [05:43] install it yourself if you feel that you're missing out on the fun. [05:43] Channel flood from alisonken1noc -- kicking [05:43] (No, don't do that)" [05:43] alisonken1noc kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [05:43] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [05:43] alisonken1noc: nope, i included that =P [05:43] forgot about the linefeeds on that one [05:43] I'll use PAM because there's yet to be a security hole that wasn't easily avoided by common sense, afaik from reading the pam advisories [05:43] Coke: that's cool, choice is good =) [05:43] phrags: you posted it but it got cut at ".. missing out on the fu" [05:44] I guess SSH doesn't ship with Slack either then? [05:44] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:44] ah, irrsi failed me =P [05:44] phrags: I couldn't find it in the 9.1 and 9.0 changelogs [05:44] hmm [05:44] Or inetd [05:44] Coke: need to do some more reading then [05:44] ah, wait, no, found it [05:44] alisonken1noc: really? care to point me to the hair raising examples? [05:45] ssh? I'm using it right now to type this :-) [05:45] ssh and inetd are very basic stuff [05:45] alisonken1noc: ssh is "basic" stuff? [05:45] pam is not needed for that [05:45] do you know what PAM does? it's even more simple [05:45] Coke: slackware is one of the most 'unix like' distro, and actually took a lot from bsd [05:45] phrags: bsd has pam [05:45] (available) [05:45] it has a lot of other stuff slack doesnt too =_P [05:45] phrags: the note is from an openssh update that fixed pam vulnerabilities. [05:45] pprkut: ah thankyou [05:46] Yeah, if you think PAM isn't secure enough, get rid of SSH immediately [05:46] so, no pam in slack, eva :D [05:46] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:46] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [05:46] i hear you can 'pam'ify parts of slack with some of dropline gnome... i have never tried. [05:46] well that wa spat's reasoning.. i've never needed PAM at desktop level except when i was playing with selinux [05:46] The best way to avoid security holes is to update slowly, let the edgy guys find the problems first [05:46] i agree, slack's philosophy [05:47] at the time, there may have been issues with PAM, pat decided to remove.. we've not missed it =P [05:47] phrags: there's always the option to build it [05:47] precisely, choice is good =) [05:47] Why I disagree with Pat's reasoning, I like the idea of having a small as possible system with the least amount of clutter as a base install. [05:48] slack provides a stable platform to do what you will.. i think this is one of the main reasons slackers stick to slack =) [05:48] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:48] stillborn (~quietborn@romeo-16.srv.hosting.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:48] Kow (kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:48] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:48] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:48] Ah, extlinux = syslinux for ext2/3 filesystems [05:49] yeah, i felt silly mentioning it :P [05:49] You guys think it would be any point to use MSDOS fs instead of ext2 for a bootable image? [05:49] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:49] no point [05:49] stillborn (~quietborn@romeo-16.srv.hosting.fi) joined ##slackware. [05:49] whats the image [05:49] if you don't need a boot image to have msdos mount it, why use fat? [05:49] phrags: huge.s [05:49] nah, imho [05:49] alisonken1noc: no idea man [05:50] I'm a unix only guy, so I quite frankly don't give a rats ass if it's "freindly" to windows suers. [05:50] users [05:50] but that was a nice freudian slip ;) [05:50] lol [05:50] if it's pure *nix, forget msdos [05:51] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [05:51] might brush up on my awk fu =P [05:51] what does the file ldlinux.sys do? [05:52] syslinux image file? [05:53] "Installing SYSLINUX to the disk will alter the boot sector on the disk and copy a file named LDLINUX.SYS into its root directory." [05:53] phrags: yeah, hmm. that's probably not gonna fly with extlinux [05:54] But the initrd.img is just like any other initrd right? [05:54] for extlinux, you cat a file to the mbr, then mount the media to run extlinux on it [05:54] extlinux/syslinux are bootloaders - so you still have to create your bootable system [05:55] alisonken1noc: yeah, i think im just gonna use huge + the initrd it has [05:55] Coke: yes, initrd is used to strap/load extra modules at boot time [05:55] totle (~totle@adsl-75-6-136-157.dsl.skt2ca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:55] should not need initrd with huge.s [05:55] phrags: it's built in with all? [05:55] it's usually used with generic + initrd [05:55] ah [05:55] phrags: I've used an initrd as the final system on a small system :) [05:55] huge.s can run on it's own [05:55] alisonken1noc: sweet =) [05:55] phrags: yeah, it is "huge" after all :) [05:56] Wohoo! Stage2 tape import complete!! [05:56] lvm needs userspace tools [05:56] vgscan [05:56] Coke: good practice to install with huge, then swith to generic once you know what modules your system needs to boot, like ext4 for instance [05:56] trhodes: which are only available in the initrd? [05:56] yes [05:56] trhodes: are those required? [05:56] slack comes with LVM and LUKS out the box [05:56] i think so, to make the lv's available to the kernel [05:56] but keep huge as an option in case you screwed up the initrd [05:57] huge is handy [05:57] README.CRYPT.TXT explains how to fresh install with LVM and/or LuKs [05:57] I'm trying to uncompress it using lzma, but it simply does not recognize the file format [05:57] why? [05:57] and what are you trying to extract ? [05:58] the kernel.. [05:58] ptchaw [05:58] Zordrak: hooray, that took all weekend ?! [05:58] hell yes it did [05:58] dang :) [05:58] Zordrak: ptchaw? [05:58] and ive still got 16 tapes to go that wouldnt fit in the library [05:59] phrags: I'd like to recomress it using bzip2 [06:00] file says "huge.s: Linux kernel x86 boot executable bzImage, version 2.6.29.6 (root@midas64) #2 SMP , RO-rootFS, root_dev 0x307, swap_dev 0x4, Normal VGA" [06:00] the kernel compression is either or. Since the decompressor is included in the kernel image, simple recompression might not do [06:00] Coke: maybe just compress a vmlinux [06:01] yeah bzimages are like that [06:01] nvm, i'll just wait for it to uncompress [06:01] is there a build-time option for that (just curious, really) ? [06:01] Coke: oh, i've never done that manually [06:01] trhodes: yes [06:02] hmm, ok [06:02] CONFIG_KERNEL_LZMA [06:03] ahh, shoulda looked myself, thanks :) [06:04] btw, isn't lzma considered faster than bzip2? I thought that was the whole reason for choosing txz over tbz [06:04] txz was selected because it's tighter than bzip2 [06:04] or gzip [06:04] without it's speed penalty [06:05] lzma is certainly smaller (so says wikipedia) [06:05] iirc the reason for choosing xz was better compression by same decompression speed [06:05] pprkut: Did you mean `txz' over `tgz' for Slackware packages ? [06:06] no, I meant what I said ;) [06:07] to fit more on a dvd, methinks? [06:07] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:07] so, imho, if someone wants a faster decompressing kernel he would either have to use gzip or the new lzo, which is only available in 2.6.34 I think, but not bzip2 [06:08] anyone use stringi? [06:08] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [06:08] you mean "strigi", the file indexer? [06:09] yeh [06:10] yes, I do [06:10] aint that a kde4 thing? [06:10] i can't decide wether it's usefull or not, and worth the overhead [06:10] yes it is [06:10] it sounds cool to me [06:10] i don't think you have a choice, kde4 depends on it, right? [06:10] (i don't use it... yet) [06:10] no one had any performance issues? [06:10] phrags: as of kde sc 4.4, it's useful and not worth the overhead [06:10] mancha: i was not aware it was mandatory [06:11] pprkut: heh, which is it? [06:11] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [06:11] usefull or not worth the overhead? heh [06:11] i'm usuing 4.4.1 [06:11] it's not mandatory to actually run strigi, you just need to have the libraries present [06:11] i see [06:11] sNF [06:11] dang no booting from usb [06:12] I find it useful, but it eats resources [06:12] a lot [06:12] reminds me of beagle [06:12] hmm, seeing as this is a work machine, will prob be full of random docs rather soon.. i guess it will come in very handy [06:12] i've not noticed performance issues yet either [06:12] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7A39.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:12] for some reason it keeps reindexing all my files every once in a while and on every relogin [06:13] yes that is what i meant, you don't need to run it but you do need to hav e it [06:13] nepomuk is what I long for and it works fine without the additional info from strigi [06:13] thanks for the info guys, i'll leave it runnign until i notice any problems [06:14] i had an awful time with beagle on nearly-full IDE drive on a pre-inotify debian system... [06:14] the computer was thrashed by indexing :/ [06:14] yeh, i hated beagle, that was heavy [06:14] people say strigi is heavier than beagle [06:14] especially pre-inotify... wtf, that's like a continual "find" [06:15] yeh, expecially if you got an SSD... that would physically kill your disk [06:15] any database folks here? trying to get opinions on postgressql vs firebird vs others [06:15] trhodes: that's what my strigi feels like. It definitely doesn't look likt it's using inotify, or dnotify, or fnotify, or whatever, not even fam [06:15] dang [06:16] strigi ftf [06:16] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [06:16] ftf ? [06:16] for the fail [06:16] just like google desktop search it is supposed to save time... it really really really doesnt [06:16] doing file-related management w/o using inotify (or at the least dnotify) is fail++ [06:16] fail? =/ [06:17] Wth. Root isn't allowed to remove files from the USB filesysystem?? [06:17] rm: cannot remove `extlinux.sys': Operation not permitted [06:17] Coke: add yourself to the plugdev group perhaps [06:17] Coke: not if its mounted ro [06:17] that too =P [06:17] Zordrak: it's only that file [06:18] \o/ [06:18] and root shouldn't need any extra groups, right? [06:19] the file's immutable [06:19] chattr -i extlinux.sys; rm extlinux.sys; enjoy_life [06:19] neat :) [06:19] 3 command in my chain is optional [06:20] 3rd [06:20] phrags: iirc massive ssd reads arent an issue, itns just the writes that have a lifetime [06:20] (i ought to modernize bsd-games's wtf acronyms) [06:20] mancha: ah [06:21] and having to write in block page mode [06:21] Zordrak: really? i thought any transactions were equally as bad [06:21] although yeh i can see how writes would be heavier [06:21] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Bom dia! [06:21] mancha: perhaps you can help me out, some portions of the syslinux maunal says I need to cat mbr.bin to the bootable device, but syslinux -i supposedly installs on MBR too. Which one is it? [06:21] i think the issue is the amount of high voltage in the silicon, and therefore when a high voltage push is used te write data it uses up a liitle life [06:22] write-levelling is used to ensure theyre all written equally often [06:22] yeh silicon wear [06:22] but i dont THINK read has the same limitation because its a passive chack rather than an active push [06:22] Coke, no idea, maybe both ways work. though you mean dd'ing right not cat'ing? [06:22] but im not an authority on the topic.. [06:23] mancha: no [06:23] mancha: I thought so too, but the manual use cat for examples [06:23] Zordrak: interesting [06:23] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7A39.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:23] right [06:23] (what Zordral said) [06:23] gaww, with a "k" [06:24] Action: phrags just learnt some awk foo.. been meaning to for too long! =P [06:24] oh right, cause you are installing to a file's "mbr" rught that'll get burned later to a usb? [06:24] phrags: awk > sed [06:24] Coke, i don't know - i've not used it. Sorry. [06:25] jrodger (~jrodger@220-244-204-235.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:26] extlinux? [06:27] pireau (1000@208.92.18.67) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [06:27] Coke: remember syslinux and ext3linux are 2 different things. for extlinux, you do the "cat mbr.bin >/dev/xxx" so the first-stage boot loader can look for the extlinux second stage loader loader [06:27] and yes, I've used extlinux before [06:27] why not use lilo for that? [06:28] why not use lilo on a cd/dvd? :) [06:28] oh, i thought you were writing to MBR [06:28] only the mbr.bin - the extlinux loader is still needed to get the kernel loaded [06:28] for ext formatted small systems like thumbdrives [06:29] are you guys talking about booting an installed system, or the installer? [06:29] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:29] booting from a thumbdrive [06:30] are you guys talking about booting an installed system, or the installer, from the thumbdrive? [06:30] phrags: also, lilo pretty much requires the drive designator not change between boots, where syslinux/extlinux don't need to worry about that [06:31] Skaperen: doesn't matter, they're talking about getting linux booted from a thumbdrive, doesn't matter if it's for a live thumbdrive or an installer thumbdrive [06:31] alisonken1noc: it might ... there are some different shortcuts and methods [06:32] if you have a bootable ISO, there are ways to put that on the memory stick that don't apply to an already installed system [06:32] however, those shortcuts come _after_ the kernel gets booted [06:32] alisonken1noc: ah i see, cool =) [06:33] not the ones I'm referring to [06:33] we're talking about the bootloader stage, not the post-kernel loaded_what can we run stage [06:33] so am I [06:35] that's why I'm trying to find out what it is you are trying to accomplish ... like if it is making the bootable ISO installer work from a memory stick [06:35] Rossonero (Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [06:36] Action: Skaperen has ISOs of another distro, which he built, that can simply be dd'd to a memory stick and it will be bootable [06:36] Action: Skaperen is going to be applying the same things to the next Slackware [06:37] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-98.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:37] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-427609.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:38] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [06:38] Another 16 Stage1 imports started.. few more days and the new backup server will FINALLY have all the old data [06:39] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-433152.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:40] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [06:40] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [06:43] Skaperen, I usually just format the thumbdrive, install extlinux, and tar the linux tree over [06:43] but I usually have a custom initrd for it as well since I wanted the initrd to do something special [06:49] what am i missing to enable remote access to the cups webinterface? is listening on the network ip [06:49] still getting 403 [06:50] you need to configure access accordingly. and sure, getting an actual http/ipp error code 403 means you can get to it [06:50] bah.. looking at BrowseAllow now [06:51] [06:51] it's like configuring any web server [06:51] hm.. nothing specified there.. just allow,deny.. will set an explicit and see what happens [06:52] Allow @LOCAL [06:52] added a specific IP to allow.. did the job [06:52] mancha: ta though [06:53] alisonken1noc: sounds like you do a custom thing ... I assume it's for an installer, like the tree from the ISO [06:53] /var/log/cups/error_log is a good place to check [06:53] no - a router [06:53] Skaperen, ^^^ [06:53] my last job was building a router for a guy [06:54] OK, ... but is that the tool to install the router, or just run it? [06:54] run it [06:54] OK [06:55] the installer was a tftp installer [06:55] for the next Slackware, I'm planning to make my tools for building the installer ... so plug in the memory stick and boot from it to install Slackware [06:56] install slackware from the thumbdrive or just the installer to install via network or something? [06:56] and also do it as a dual-arch ... both 32 bit and 64 bit together ... choose when booting the memory stick which to use [06:57] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-98.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:57] boot the memory stick ... to install slackware wherever you want to ... usually to the host internal drive [06:57] could be installed to a 2nd memory stick [06:58] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) left irc: Quit: Support freenode - http://bit.ly/3NtvfD [06:58] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Quit: See you later [06:59] asamoah (~caio@190.244.63.154) joined ##slackware. [06:59] what my tool does is generates the image file ... that file can be burned to a DVD or dd'd to a memory stick ... will be bootable either way [06:59] nice [07:00] no unetbootin crap :) [07:00] it was used to build the image files for an Ubuntu derived distro called Easypeasy ... I'm working on a redesign to work better and to work on Slackware this time [07:01] trhodes: right ... mine doesn't use unetbootin [07:01] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: No route to host [07:01] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:01] trhodes: I also have it working for Ubuntu itself ... but the Ubuntu people didn't want it [07:01] Skaperen, um Eric has already beat you to it [07:01] trhodes: but my love is Slackware, so I'm working on this next [07:01] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [07:02] Delahunt: Eric beat me to what/which ? [07:02] a bootable usb stick / installer combination [07:02] Delahunt: OK ... and his image file can be burned to an ISO, too? [07:02] buddy: 03:53 AM# uptime 03:53:29 up 841 days, 22:53, 1 user, load average: 2.23, 2.15, 2.32 [07:02] i think so [07:02] whoa # alisonken1noc [07:02] but at that point you have the same thing as the slackware installer [07:03] s/#/@/ [07:03] trhodes, seems we have a couple of servers like that :) [07:03] Delahunt: well, yeah ... it would be the installer [07:03] just trying to save you some work 8-) [07:03] 11:03:04 up 199 days, 13:44, 14 users, load average: 0.04, 0.10, 0.09 [07:03] Delahunt: one image produced ... burn it to DVD ... dd it to USB drive ... either will boot and you get the installer [07:04] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [07:04] Skaperen: why do you want to re-make the installer? :) [07:04] it's already got a lot of stuff in it [07:04] Delahunt: this is just the next step in my work [07:04] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.66.128) joined ##slackware. [07:04] ok [07:04] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:04] MoZes: I'm not remaking the installer ... just repackaging the image [07:04] very cool indeed :) [07:04] i do not installed KDE in my slackware how i can use choqok in xfce [07:05] Delahunt: my longer term goal is an image that contains multiple distributions and multiple architectures [07:05] ew [07:05] Skaperen: it's cool that you can skip grub2 for that functionality [07:05] Delahunt: so I'm exploring just how much I will need to change [07:05] well, it would be nice to have slack/slack64 on a single thumbdrive for installing :)( [07:05] probably everything 8-) [07:05] :) [07:06] trhodes: I'm using grub1 right now ... but the future will likely be a new boot loader [07:06] yeah, i use grub 'cause I'm forgetful :) [07:06] trhodes: not grub2 ... grub is going into the bloat direction ... I'm not [07:07] (legacy grub here) [07:07] bloat is relative [07:07] my script that builds it modifies grub (legacy) slightly to put the config file inside [07:07] to slackware 9, everything is bloated 8-) [07:07] Blue-Slacker: you have choqok installed ? [07:08] s/slackware 9/windows 3.11/ [07:08] lol [07:08] Gr1nch (gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left ##slackware. [07:08] the only "bloat" my images will have is by having multiple stuff ... starting in the next step with both 32 and 64 bit together [07:08] s/windows 3.11/original commodore basic/ [07:08] trhodes: no , i want install choqok but i dont have KDE [07:08] s/original commodore basic/eniac/ [07:08] hd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:09] i've gotten old to the point where i just wait for features to arrive in slackware [07:09] bleeding edge can be fun but it can cut you too [07:09] but even with combined 32 and 64 bit, many slack packages are the same ... I'll set those up with just one copy instead of two [07:09] Action: Skaperen shows his scars [07:09] who's bleeding now? 8-P [07:09] um, no, slack versus slack64 are not the same at all [07:10] Action: Skaperen already made ISOs that boot on x86, sun sparc, and s/390 ... all from the same image [07:10] except maybe the aaa* packages [07:10] probably only aaa_filesystem or whatever the one is that creates all the base directories [07:11] and the x86/sparc one was both slackware and linux from scratch based [07:11] well remember, once you recompile something in slackware source/, it's not slackware any more [07:11] been there, done that [07:11] what do you mean? [07:12] i tried a recompile of slackware 13 but with the options intel specifies for CFLAGS and such for the atom processor [07:12] it really did no good, and introduced unforseen problems [07:12] ok, an atom-optimized one [07:12] Blue-Slacker: have you heard of gwibber ? maybe that would do what you want with less install touble [07:12] *trouble [07:12] like what? [07:13] you were trying to make the slatom sub-distro? [07:14] Action: Skaperen gotta run in 2 min [07:14] Crimius (~crimius@209-254-21-194.ip.mcleodusa.net) joined ##slackware. [07:14] Blue-Slacker: here's some dep hints: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gwibber [07:14] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [07:14] Blue-Slacker: and the homepage: http://live.gnome.org/Gwibber [07:15] trhodes: OK , tax [07:15] trhodes: can you help me to find a bloging client looklike bilbo [07:16] well for starters some older packages that are still needed simply could not be forced to compile with the flags intel specified [07:16] Action: Skaperen gotta go ... afk ... work time [07:19] Blue-Slacker: maybe blogtk, gnome blog, or drivel [07:19] trhodes: ok [07:19] francog (francog@silenceisdefeat.com) joined ##slackware. [07:22] alice_c (alice@89.194.96.113) joined ##slackware. [07:23] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Disconnected by services [07:23] Nick change: alice_c -> alicephilippa [07:25] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:25] Axius (~fd@92.85.213.152) joined ##slackware. [07:26] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-shtcwrnyedlsacnq) joined ##slackware. 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[07:43] Yes [07:43] mounting it on loop device causes an error of unknown filesystem and using cpio gives me a host of errors [07:44] cpio: malformed number [07:44] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-208-103.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:46] aha [07:46] it was gzipped [07:48] Coke: /usr/bin/file # :P [07:49] trhodes: yeah [07:49] i was reading a fedora example on cpio commands [07:50] my mistake [07:50] cpio is a weird one, i have to hti the manpage every time [07:50] *hit [07:50] trhodes: only the manpage is empty save all the options in compressed shorthand format [07:50] I'm thinking about ditching the initrd anyway [07:51] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:51] initramfs [07:51] It doesn't really have a purpose with the huge kernel on USB stick [07:51] naw, sounds good. i think dm-type stuff (lvm, dm-crypt) are the only things that need an initrd [07:51] sorry to say you wont be booting from a usb stick without it ;) [07:52] usbfs or something needs userspace support ? [07:52] i lol @ userspace fs's [07:52] CcSsNET: why not? [07:52] Coke go try it [07:53] CcSsNET: why don't you save me about 30s of reboot time by telling me? :) [07:53] o ok [07:53] is some driver missing in huge.s? [07:53] well the kernel cant find the drivers for usb and then kernel panic [07:53] ehci and usbstorage isn't part of the HUGE kernel? [07:54] like, one of the most common hardware components in any computer today, the USB bus, is not available in the "huge" kernel? [07:54] heh dont complain to me [07:54] um the *buntu folks disagree, fwiw [07:54] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-78-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:54] fwiw? [07:54] for what it's worth [07:54] for what it's worht [07:54] worth [07:55] disagree with? [07:55] what does ubuntu disagree on aside from usability? :) [07:55] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [07:55] ubuntu tends to break random stuff when updating unrelated things [07:55] i like my stuff to work [07:55] :D [07:56] this person says you need a root delay: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=872217 [07:56] considering almost no distro makes money or pays coders ubuntu is doing decent [07:57] brbrbr (~basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [07:57] yea root delays are on the grub command line [07:57] What are you guys talking about? [07:57] The huge kernel should work fine on usb without initrd [07:57] I cannot find any ohci or ehci drivers in the initrd image [07:57] ergo, they must be in the kernel already [07:57] Coke the root delay is for your intentions without a initrd/initramfs [07:57] yeah, but that's an old bug [07:57] It's been like that since forever when booting from USB [07:58] (on some hw) [07:58] trust me 2.6.32.2 didnt boot [07:58] CcSsNET: I trust you. [07:58] hmm, that sucks [07:58] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:58] last kernel i used [07:58] CcSsNET: but that has nothing to do with the actual USB support [07:58] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:58] all USB drivers seem to be in kernel, but without a .config I cant say for sure [07:59] it does if u relate to modules and where there located on the fs thats not yet mounted do to drivers being a module on that fs to be mounted [07:59] hm. the initrd itself contains a kernel. what's it for? [07:59] initial install on target system? [07:59] the initrd does not contain the kernel [07:59] initial boot [07:59] kernel26.img [07:59] alisonken1noc: looks like it under /boot in the initrd [08:00] tricking the system to use modules that where not available yet due to lack of mounting [08:00] I mean, huge.s is booting [08:00] that's not an initrd - that's a disk image [08:00] alisonken1noc: initrd is a disk image [08:00] mounted to ram [08:00] indeed [08:00] not quite [08:00] alisonken1noc: ok, "not quite". it's a cpio image that works just like any disk image [08:00] but that's all irrelevant [08:00] there's still a kernel in the initrd image [08:00] the initrd's I've opened up did not have the kernel since most boot loaders don't open the initrd [08:01] alisonken1noc: i know [08:01] maybe it just slipped with the usb image [08:01] initrd vs initramfs [08:01] any opinions? [08:01] initrd is very simple to work with [08:01] two different things [08:01] yaird? [08:01] 2 difrent things that serve the same purpose ... [08:01] initrd is a file with the contents of a working system, initramfs is a fake filesystem in ram [08:02] different purposes [08:02] alienBOB: you there? any idea what the kernel inside the initrd image is for (slack64 usb image boot) ? [08:02] CcSsNET: tricking the system to use modules that where not available yet due to lack of mounting [08:02] CcSsNET: in any case, I cannot find any USB drivers inside the initrd, I'm pretty sure that huge.s has full USB 2.0 support [08:02] one is a static image the other is a live filesystem in ram rather than on long-term storage [08:02] CcSsNET: was that regarding the kernel26.img Coke mentioned ? [08:02] as for the timeout, that's ok [08:02] Action: CcSsNET head desk [08:03] glad i understand myself [08:05] alisonken1noc: any idea what the kernel inside the initrd image is for? [08:05] somebody messed up? [08:05] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-93-147.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:06] either that, or someone included it there so they can remember which kernel they used for that initrd [08:06] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) joined ##slackware. [08:07] the informations out there. research yourselfs [08:07] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:07] the last time I checked, initramfs is the space in the kernel where an initrd is uncompressed into so you have something to work with until you get the full filesystem up [08:07] at least that's how it worked when I was building initrd's [08:08] why does it sound like your saying what i said just without technical details [08:09] thats what both initrd and initramfs are for [08:09] e5150 (~e5150@c-83-219-196-248.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:09] initrd is older [08:10] an example of a initramfs is available on austrumi livecd [08:10] although its implemented wrong they forgot to automated usb support in a script [08:10] as apposed to slitaz livecd where its done correctly [08:11] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:12] how do I install flash player on slackware 13 please? [08:12] /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt [08:13] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-98.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:14] linuxguy: There is a SlackBuild script available on http://slackbuilds.org/ [08:14] There is a huge difference betweeen an old-style initrd and a real initramfs-initrd [08:15] then explain it please [08:15] and if its irelivant im certainly saying so [08:16] less -p 'All this differs from the old initrd in several ways' /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt #sorry for the length [08:16] The old initrd was a self-contained filesystem which was mounted by the kernel. It had limited storage - you create the image and that's it. An initramfs gets loaded into the kernel's memory space as a virtual filesystem (you will not see it if you do "df" or "mount" when the installer runs) [08:17] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.31) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [08:17] CcSsNET: if you think it is irrelevant, OK fine [08:18] ok so 1 is more visible to the user. irrelevant when they are both used for genrally the same purpose. loading module's otherwise unavailable [08:18] it's a case of you need to know why they are different before you can say one is better than the other [08:18] The purpose is the same. The implementation is different [08:18] it may just be a case of which one is better in which circumstance [08:18] no one ever mentioned this ^ [08:18] alicephilippa (alice@89.194.97.127) joined ##slackware. [08:18] An initramfs is vastly superior [08:19] i simply stated they both have the same goal [08:19] naak (~nak@89.121.200.106) joined ##slackware. [08:20] has anyone here managed to build an initramfs from scratch, without using any specific distro's implimentation? [08:20] CcSsNET: the old style initrd had a fixed size of "disk space" available. for the installer the way it was done was to create a loop back filesystem of a fixed size, and copy your stuff into it -- this left you with the original size minus the filesystem content of the installer (so everything required to boot it). So if you made a 1.4MB loopback filesystem, and the installer content took 1MB, you'd be left with 400K for temporary files and so on on [08:20] Does the huge kernel have support for initramfs? [08:20] with the initramfs system, you just archive the filesystem as a cpio and let the kernel handle the amount of "disk space" available [08:21] interesting - I usually made the initrd, then made sure the kernel had a ramdisk size that would fit [08:21] MoZes initramfs sounds far more sane, if what you say is true [08:21] Is there a command to find out what disk device is used for a specific mount point? [08:21] mount [08:21] that's one of the differences. it's easier since you don't have to judge how much space you'll need for temporary files -- which for the installer is important; for booting the OS only, it's not really a concern [08:21] guys, what do you use for bluetooth? (if anything) [08:21] CcSsNET: what I say is true. [08:21] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [08:21] other than assuming that you have enough ram to handle the initramfs [08:22] alisonken1noc: you'd have to have enough RAM to boot a loopback filesystem (old style initrd) anhyway [08:22] so infact, you're better with an initramfs [08:22] Coke: $ df -h [08:22] the difference is with the initrd you have already made sure that your ram can handle that much space [08:22] kr_eten (~quick@client-157-92.speedy-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [08:22] Mel-nix: I need the command to return a one-word string [08:23] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:23] eg if you over judge how much temporary filesystem space you require in RAM (my example was leaving us with 400K free for scratch space -- all of which is in RAM), and you only ever used 10K max - then you *still* have 1.4MB used in total (since the size of the loopback is fixed) [08:23] For instance, /dev/sdf1 is mounted on /media/usb, I need it to return just /dev/sdf [08:23] where as with initramfs, you use what you use. [08:23] Coke: then use awk :) [08:23] Action: MoZes thinks this is explained in the docs which someone gave the pointer for already [08:23] trhodes: df does not show the disk device [08:23] /proc/mtab [08:23] or tr [08:23] I guess I could simple remove the number [08:23] it will if it is mounted [08:24] thrice`: no, it will just show the partition [08:24] oh, I follow now [08:24] (whoops, /etc/mtab) [08:25] was going to say .... [08:25] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Client Quit [08:25] CcSsNET: http://slackware.com/~alien/tools/extract_initramfs.sh [08:26] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [08:26] If you "ln -s extract_initramfs.sh create_initramfs.sh" and then call the script as create_initramfs.sh it will create an initramfs from any directory you feed it [08:27] Of course, extract_initramfs.sh does exactly the opposite [08:27] http://jootamam.net/howto-initramfs-image.htm [08:28] http://www.sourcemage.org/SourceMage_Wiki?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=initramfs&titlesearch=Titles [08:28] these are the two resources ive been reading for a few months. ill check out your script for sure [08:29] CcSsNET: reading for months??? It is not that complex! [08:29] haha [08:29] it can be :P [08:29] Definitely no [08:29] 84 lines [08:29] ok so im easily side tracked as well [08:29] It is just a cpio archive of a directory tree, in a format the kernel accepts as initrd [08:30] The kernel will check if the initrd you feed it is an initramfs or not, and load it appropriately. That is all [08:31] linuxguy (~linuxguy@5ad5ef10.bb.sky.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:32] alienBOB im also building one entirely from scratch and not using any distro specific methods [08:32] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:32] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [08:33] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [08:33] On an unrelated note, does anyone have or know of a good way (maybe a perl one-liner) to get the contents of heredocs from (bash) scripts ? [08:33] What package do I need to install for a dictionary in /usr/share/dict/? [08:33] but alienBOB you like to simplify it down to its own existance. i still have to write a init script inside the initramfs, im kinda found of the way slitaz does things so i may borrow [08:35] Axius: bsd-games has one [08:35] CcSsNET: it is very simple. initramfs is just a cpio archive of whatever you put inside it [08:35] gui_ap (1000@unaffiliated/gui-ap/x-6398608) joined ##slackware. [08:35] gui_ap (1000@unaffiliated/gui-ap/x-6398608) left ##slackware. [08:36] trhodes: ok, thanks [08:36] CcSsNET: have you looked at the "init" script that the "mkinitrd" tool in Slackware copies for you? [08:36] MoZes also a simplification ignoreing intended implimentation and contents ;) [08:36] CcSsNET: if not look in /usr/share/mkinitrd* and look inside the archive in there [08:36] Axius: are you seriously using slack without fortune ?! :P [08:36] like i said no disto specific methods. so no i havent since i dont use slackware [08:36] CcSsNET: well initramfs has nothing to do with Slackware [08:37] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Client Quit [08:37] Action: CcSsNET head desk [08:37] it's a standard format for initramfs for the kernel [08:37] im done listing [08:37] by now [08:37] listening* [08:37] your cup is full :) [08:38] Action: adaptr looks around for 2 girls [08:38] Looks like 10 is yellow... might want to take the 60 [08:38] trhodes: I've installed fortune. [08:38] Axius: whew, i was worried :) [08:41] I've install fortune because I want to use it with vim. [08:41] I've installed fortune because I want to use it with vim. [08:41] Do the package directory letters have any meaning? [08:41] yes [08:42] i have problems finding search terms [08:42] what is "a"? [08:42] yeah, i was gonna link you something, but that doesn't go too well [08:42] a base system [08:42] so that's all I need to boot the target machine then? [08:42] yes, and even that's trimmable with some knowledge [08:43] but if you're booting usb, you shouldn't need to trim it :) [08:43] a=base, ap=extra cli programs, l=libs, n=networking, k=kernel devel, kde=kde, kdei=kde international, x=xserver, xap xclients [08:43] thanks alisonken1noc : [08:43] d'oh keyboard fail [08:43] e=emacs, f=faqs, howto's [08:44] :) [08:44] gnome slackbuild has their own pkg classes, too [08:44] Coke, anything else on the directory letters? [08:44] l00t (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.67.216) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:45] tcl = tool command language [08:46] t = TeX [08:46] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:46] y = bsd-games [08:46] oh yeah - can't forget y, that's where fortune is [08:46] thanks [08:47] not bad for top of my head with only a couple of hours sleep since 6am yesterday [08:47] i use a disproportionate amount of stuff from y/ :) [08:47] no kiddin' [08:47] i'm running on coffee, too [08:48] I dont get this xz file format [08:48] how so ? [08:48] is it lzma? [08:48] tar file using a different compression other than gzip [08:48] yes [08:48] File format not recognized [08:48] lzma -d bla.txz [08:48] coke, run file no it [08:48] no it? [08:48] haha, second time :) [08:48] on it [08:48] on it [08:48] "file xx.txz" [08:49] "run file on it" ? [08:49] Ahh! [08:49] xz compressed data [08:49] which xz [08:49] /usr/binxz [08:49] /usr/bin/xz [08:49] Coke: $ tar -t -v -f somefile.txz -J [08:49] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:49] there xz works. not lzma [08:50] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:50] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [08:50] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [08:50] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [08:50] atrofast (~atrofast@CPE001cf0c5f22c-CM001947931a36.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [08:51] alicephilippa (alice@89.194.97.127) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:51] Greetings, I've got a question for Slamd64 11.0 I hope this is the right channel, do I have to take any extra steps to enable shared memory? [08:52] shared memory? [08:52] video memory ? [08:53] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:54] No shared memory as in C code: shmget etc [08:54] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-98.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:55] nvision (~nvision@g225063136.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [08:56] CcSsNET (~q@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: User disconnected [08:57] kr_eten (~quick@client-157-92.speedy-net.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:58] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:59] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [08:59] atrofast: i duno, maybe "man ipcs && man ipc", if that's any help [09:00] Okay thanks trhodes... I added tmpfs /dev/shm etc to my fstab and mounted it but no change [09:00] /dev/shm is on my slack installs [09:00] hmm, i'm trying to learn more about /dev/shm and am coming up short [09:01] Yeah this is Slamd64 11.0 (like 3 years old) [09:02] I'd gues that probably doesn't matter [09:02] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [09:02] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [09:02] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:03] i have a devs-2.3.1-noarch_slamd64-25 with /dev/shm therein [09:04] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [09:05] Coke (~coke@c-b3bee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [09:05] less /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/tmpfs.txt # is the only place I see anything [09:09] Okay so shared memory seems to be okay, my application is probably giving a stupid error message then... are there any extra steps to enable semaphore arrays? I know it uses that [09:10] duno, ipcs -s #shows them [09:10] i get output with that, fwiw [09:11] spook (~spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:12] Well mine says Semaphore Arrays and prints the header, but there are none created [09:12] hmm, i ran that as root [09:12] maybe a privilege issue [09:13] hey ... [09:13] oh gosh, semaphore arrays. i hated that concurrency unit. [09:13] how is slack these days is it as fast as version number 10.0 ? [09:13] hd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [09:13] hd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [09:13] hd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [09:13] Jiraia (~Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::5397) joined ##slackware. [09:14] Agiofws: ask the same thing of the kernel. of each piece of software in slackware. since slackware doesn't change much from upstream. [09:14] nvision (~nvision@g225063136.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:17] Guest47620598 (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [09:17] Guest47620598 (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [09:17] spook: aha.. caght you [09:17] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:17] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7A39.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:17] spook: been busy? [09:17] Guest47620554 (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [09:18] quite the opposite actually [09:18] been trying to get away from the computer more [09:18] fnuff [09:19] yeah...porn induced carpal tunnel is bad [09:19] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [09:19] spook's doctor is very disappointed. [09:19] lol. [09:19] and poorer [09:20] spook, is the kernel version in slack still 2.4 ? [09:20] :) [09:20] Agiofws: lol. a cursory read of slackware.com would reveal how f-ing lazy you are. [09:20] :P [09:21] not lazy [09:21] atrofast (atrofast@CPE001cf0c5f22c-CM001947931a36.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware. [09:21] just asking [09:21] s/ask/troll/ [09:22] Zordrak spook: been busy? " so that guy is a troll ? [09:23] please spare the crap [09:24] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:25] O_o [09:27] http://noobfarm.org/?id=223 [09:27] lol, was there [09:28] rworkman: heh [09:29] :) [09:29] Crimius (~crimius@209-254-21-194.ip.mcleodusa.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:30] nvision (~nvision@g225063136.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:31] demoncyber_ (~marco@189.8.196.253) joined ##slackware. [09:36] righteous (~righteous@pool-72-95-110-253.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [09:36] can slackpkg be used to install bitlbee? [09:37] righteous, try sbopkg [09:37] ooh right [09:37] thanks [09:37] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:38] can bitlbee be used to connect to twitter ? [09:39] Action: slava_dp smells straw under the bridge [09:40] Agiofws, probably [09:41] * Cannot join #bitlbee (Channel is invite only). [09:41] would be cool [09:41] lol [09:41] i recently started using twitter its not bad ... [09:41] man, that sucks that bitlbee doesn't put their own docs on their site [09:42] its ok ... it something between a forum and irc ... [09:42] in terms of interactivity ... [09:44] i also wonder if file transfers and silly little features of the various IM protocols are supported reasonably well [09:44] wow sbopkg has gotten *really* advanced since i last used it [09:44] just use twirssi [09:44] sbopkg rocks [09:45] that's the way I felt about src2pkg as well, features keep on appearing [09:45] demoncyber_ (~marco@189.8.196.253) left irc: Quit: Saindo [09:45] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7A39.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:46] if im reading the manpage correctly for sbopkg, it only builds the source and creates the package in /tmp/sbopkg and then i still need to installpkg the compiled binary package? [09:46] it installs them [09:46] (given the choice, of course) [09:46] did i just overlook that switch in the manpage? [09:46] -i ? [09:46] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7A39.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:46] just a wild guess [09:47] trhodes, i don;t think you cant transfer files through bitlbee atleast with MSN network [09:47] lol yeah i misread, im crunched on time, sorry. [09:47] righteous, sobpkg is ncurses. just launch it. [09:47] straterra, twirrsi ? the thing is to use it in xchat [09:47] sluttyduck (~slut@66.42.244.31) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:47] sluttyduck (~slut@66.42.244.31) joined ##slackware. [09:47] Agiofws: ahh thanks :) i think i'll just keep going with finch as usual. [09:48] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [09:48] wow I had forgotten how great slackware is for dedicated servers, this thing is flying and its so not a 'flying' kind of computer. [09:49] then again, slackware will never be freebsd ;) [09:49] Agiofws: http://tinyurl.com/yz4sawe [09:49] That's how to get twitter working with xchat [09:50] straterra, thanks ... [09:51] Nick change: off_tr4mp0 -> Gr1nch [09:52] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ [09:52] Oh, you're welcome [09:52] linked on irssi.org [09:52] what i am not seeing is sbopkg default specs for bitlbee that would allow me to configure it for my system, which is disturbing... [09:53] righteous: eh? [09:53] did it configure bitlbee? [09:53] What are you talking about? [09:53] it didnt list the locations of any configuration files or rc scripts [09:53] It likely copied the default config, but thats it [09:53] Did you check in /etc/rc.d ? [09:54] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:54] righteous, less /var/log/packages/bitlbee* [09:54] cat /var/log/packages/bitlbee [09:55] yeah, slava writes faster :) [09:55] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) joined ##slackware. [09:55] and with a glob :P [09:55] Action: slava_dp :) [09:55] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-147-254.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [09:55] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [09:56] Hey guys, there is a program I use called "Business Plan Pro", is there an equivalent for Slack? [09:56] I don't know..what does Business Plan Pro do? [09:56] somehow Business Plan Pro and slack in the same sentence just seems weird [09:57] straterra, its a 'design my business plan for me' app. @riza: you're looking for an app called Geany [09:57] geany is a text editor/ide [09:57] yup [09:58] Business Plan Pro sounds like a weird name for an ide [09:58] lol... s/geany/vim/ then =] [09:58] slava_dp, no way, vim is just what people who know vim use to look 1337, they'd use geany or nano if not :P [09:59] righteous: err..no [09:59] vimfolaif! [09:59] no need to make editing a text file so complicated thats totally useless. [09:59] Me and my coworker use vim because its powerful [09:59] righteous, vim ain't complicated... vim rocks [09:59] Vim is complicated if you're a dumbass [09:59] slava_dp, NO U! [09:59] complicated ? [09:59] no really [10:00] you use your keyboard like a piano in vim... it's beautiful [10:00] it's like art really [10:00] righteous: dude just open vim and hit insert.. easy [10:00] piano without the chords :) [10:00] naak (~nak@89.121.200.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:00] im all set with that crap. [10:00] slava_dp: look up vmpk [10:00] or fire up vimtutor [10:00] It lets you use your keyboard like a piano without vim o.O [10:01] Bah! [10:01] I want to use Linux for everything. [10:01] straterra, :D [10:01] I used linux to sing me to sleep everynight [10:01] riza: http://www.bluechillies.com/list/business-plan-software.html pay software [10:01] Something that helps me generate business plan would be awesome. [10:01] and tuck me in with hot coco [10:01] haha [10:01] Try it with wine [10:01] and festival [10:02] yeah, pipe the linux sourcecode through it [10:02] riza: can you post a link to that apps homepage? [10:02] riza, what's wrong with a text editor? you should not own a business if you can't write a business plan, thats half of the problem with american industries, everyone wants to model gm without gm capital. [10:02] err, wait, i meant "sing me to sleep" with festival [10:02] BeZerk (~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:02] http://www.paloalto.com/business_plan_software/ [10:02] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-56-126.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [10:03] BeZerk (~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk) joined ##slackware. [10:03] righteous, nothing, but once you understand how to write a business plan, you just don't have the time to write every single part by hand. [10:03] yeah, psssh... business plan schmizness plan [10:03] You know what you need and don't need. [10:03] omh i had forgotten how retarted most windows apps homepages look like [10:03] esp. closed source ones [10:03] riza, you clearly have never written a business plan yourself :P [10:03] Err [10:03] Windows + closed source == no correlation to web site design [10:04] yeah, i wnt [10:04] [10:04] righteous, what makes you say that? [10:04] yeah, i wanted to express that quickly [10:04] "once you understand how to write a business plan, you just dont have the time to write every single part by hand'. [10:04] I've written a 35 page business plan. [10:04] It's very time consuming. [10:04] all of mine were by hand. [10:04] its supposed to be. [10:04] <--- went to a business school [10:05] No. [10:05] ^^^ [10:05] what righteous said [10:05] yeah it is. [10:05] I can just have the main meal generated and then edit everything else from there, much less time consuming. [10:05] that is why your business will fail. remember that someone on irc told you lol [10:05] riza: write an app. [10:06] A desktop app? Why? [10:06] sm0kNteer (~sm0kNteer@67.217.134.2) joined ##slackware. [10:06] righteous, very encouraging but I'm not stupid. [10:06] a business plan? isn't that what a word processor is for? [10:06] sm0kNteer (sm0kNteer@67.217.134.2) left ##slackware. [10:06] thrice`: yep :) [10:06] sm0kNteer (~sm0kNteer@67.217.134.2) joined ##slackware. [10:06] riza, i dont really buy that now that ive heard your idea. [10:06] Somehow you using the statistics that 90% of business fail within 5 years and another within the next 5 isn't going to stop me from trying this idea. [10:06] righteous, my idea? You heard my idea? Where? [10:06] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:07] I thought business students went to school for 6 years to learn MS word? eh? eh? ;) [10:07] lol [10:07] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-56-126.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [10:07] clippy to the rescue! [10:07] wr0d [10:07] Nah, tons of finance, accounting, law, etc classes. [10:08] But I've learned that people can and will always find ways to criticize you one way or another. [10:08] the outline could have been written during this dicsussion. [10:08] I thought women went to business school to meet good looking, rich men, and I thought men went to business school to hang out with smart, hot college women looking to meet smart rich guys. [10:08] tooly (~tooly@e178132236.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:09] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [10:10] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:11] riza: the wine / crossover office idea sounded pretty good (there's always VM's :( ) [10:11] the amount of free "business plan software" that turns up in google is underwhelming [10:12] thepiratebay.org [10:12] Ya I know, that's why I'm asking here. [10:12] Action: righteous coughs [10:12] IT's actually surprising since they discourage you from writing business plan. Most business owners I've talked to or met don't actually have one. [10:12] The ones that do have one planned out, the ones that have their business planned out tend to do better than the ones that don't. [10:12] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-180-054.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:13] not having a plan is a plan of its own [10:13] naak (~nak@89.121.200.106) joined ##slackware. [10:13] Wheeling and dealing = you have to be damn good. [10:13] I've only met two ppl in my life that is that good. [10:13] And I've never seen them again. That's how good they are. [10:13] lol [10:13] mark zuckerburg ? [10:13] Nick change: Gr1nch -> r4ng0 [10:14] i saw a recent video clip about biz plans with him in it [10:14] google for it if you want ;) [10:14] sm0kNteer (sm0kNteer@67.217.134.2) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:15] aitiba (~aitiba@115.168.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [10:15] hi [10:16] someone over there? [10:16] Torrento1 (~rafalkraw@klatka.org) joined ##slackware. [10:16] We're here. [10:16] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [10:17] ====> i'm over here [10:17] riza: http://www.businessinsider.com/innovation/business-plans-2009-2010-2 i found it in my history [10:17] this is my first time that i use slackware [10:18] "A well-researched business plan can be a waste of time, but it can also show your ability to follow through on an idea." [10:18] Eh. [10:18] i use debian and ubuntu from 5 years ago [10:18] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:18] ... [10:18] aitiba: anything specific you want to know? :) [10:18] hygge (~french@212.117.173.72) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:18] aitiba, congrats for converting to slackware [10:19] I have a Atheros(R) AR8121/AR8113 PCI-E Ethernet Adapter but after search on internet the source driver for gnu/linux I dont find the driver [10:19] where can I find it? [10:19] jaskorpe_ (jaskorpe@knuth.ping.uio.no) joined ##slackware. [10:19] kloeri_ (kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri) joined ##slackware. [10:19] He's right, you need to know your market and a business plan is supposed to do that. [10:19] i know this may sound bizarre.. but bear with me.. does anyone have access to an install of Snow Leopard? [10:19] But you can't just "guess" a large market for the particular idea I want in Asia. 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[10:20] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:21] riza: maybe that's why we're slackers :) [10:21] lol [10:21] :x [10:21] Zordrak, erm... to list? how would I do that? (he's away now) [10:21] aitiba: You need to try to find the source [10:21] The website was http://www.unav-micro.com/Drivers.aspx [10:21] It looks like its defunct now [10:21] slava_dp: find / -iname "*.ppd" ? [10:21] trhodes, I won't go into anymore detail here but if you want to talk about it, it's really interested. PM me, there is a very large market and I'm very lucky. So I'm not passing this opportunity. [10:22] aitiba: Also, look at the rt2400 project on source forge [10:22] riza: naw, but thanks :) i'm just a geek who does technical stuff [10:22] slava_dp: if that works then: find / -iname "*.ppd" > file [10:22] trhodes, me too, I'm a compsci student. [10:22] Here's a RPM Spec file you can look at [10:22] http://www.mail-archive.com/pld-cvs-commit@lists.pld-linux.org/msg153887.html [10:22] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [10:23] slava_dp, I using http://byte.sourceforge.net/ a slackware modification. how can I know which version of slack is using? [10:23] aitiba: if it isnt actually slackware.. then its not actually supported [10:24] straterra, the web is down [10:24] aitiba: We only 'support' Slackware here [10:24] I know..I already said that [10:24] byte is based on slax which is based on slackware, neither byte nor slax get support here [10:24] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:24] neptun (~neptun@217.117.141.42) got netsplit. [10:24] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) got netsplit. [10:24] jaskorpe (jaskorpe@knuth.ping.uio.no) got netsplit. [10:24] Torrentow (~rafalkraw@klatka.org) got netsplit. 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[10:24] Nick change: C00re_ -> C00re [10:24] Possible future nick collision: C00re [10:24] straterra, is based on slackware this modification [10:25] So? [10:25] aitiba: slax itself deviates pretty far from a typical slackware [10:25] We only support Slackware [10:25] ok ok [10:25] I think that slack and slackware are the same [10:25] sorry for that [10:25] l00t (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.67.216) joined ##slackware. [10:25] nvision (~nvision@g225063136.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:25] they are. slax isnt slack [10:26] Zordrak, i'm ashamed, couldn't find how to launch a terminal emulator on his mac. [10:26] aitiba: there is a #slax (maybe ##slax) [10:26] i'm there now [10:26] thanks for all [10:26] yw [10:27] iTerm or terminal.app ? [10:27] Why don't you just download and install the real Slackware aitiba? [10:28] ph|ber (~phiber@mail.synergies4u.com) returned to ##slackware. [10:29] slava_dp: I'll have the list of ppd's momentarily. [10:29] slava_dp: lol [10:29] alienBOB, because the proyect that I have to use, use slax [10:29] i think its in system or somewhere in the main apple menu [10:29] Applications > Utilities > Terminal [10:29] i saw somethin about a utilities menu [10:30] mag0o (20001@74.255.51.210) got lost in the net-split. [10:30] NetrixTardis (~leoem@pizza.stealth3.com) got lost in the net-split. [10:30] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) got lost in the net-split. [10:30] _slax0r_ (fire@2001:15c0:66ca::514) got lost in the net-split. [10:30] sadsfae (~sadsfae@funcamp.net) got lost in the net-split. [10:30] zarock (zarock@olaf.pepin.pl) got lost in the net-split. [10:30] kloeri (kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri) got lost in the net-split. [10:30] mikee (~mikee@2a01:270:0:ffff:ffff:90b2:0:2) got lost in the net-split. [10:30] sluckxz (~sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) got lost in the net-split. [10:30] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) got lost in the net-split. [10:30] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) got lost in the net-split. [10:30] sitwon_ (~adam@pool-173-79-69-200.washdc.fios.verizon.net) got lost in the net-split. [10:30] Torrentow (~rafalkraw@klatka.org) got lost in the net-split. [10:30] jaskorpe (jaskorpe@knuth.ping.uio.no) got lost in the net-split. [10:30] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) got lost in the net-split. [10:30] neptun (~neptun@217.117.141.42) got lost in the net-split. [10:30] :) [10:30] ok, Finder>Applications.... i see. weird navigation. [10:30] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:30] aitiba: The BMW M5 is "based" on concepts from Ford (ie the Model T).. but it doesnt mean you can ask Ford when your M5 suspension needs tweaking [10:30] terminal.app /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app [10:30] there's no alt+F2 equivalent ?! [10:31] good question. Luckily my mac guy is running his show. evidently "command + space" uses spotlight [10:32] how do I properly configured X11 forwarding through ssh? [10:32] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:32] admboom: argle fargle gooble goop [10:32] ;) [10:32] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [10:32] Zordrak, yes, I see the resemblance [10:32] raela: X11Forwarding yes [10:32] sadsfae (~sadsfae@funcamp.net) joined ##slackware. [10:32] lo [10:32] l [10:34] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [10:34] raela: man sshd_config | less -p 'Specifies whether X11 forwarding is permitted' # for more info. [10:34] raela: google it ;o [10:34] :P [10:34] raela: good morning to you. [10:34] acidchild: googled before and I just came up with use ssh -X [10:35] l00t (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.67.216) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:35] oh, or ssh -Y [10:35] grep, google for the tubeless [10:35] neither accomplish what I want :P [10:35] Zordrak, http://pastebin.ca/1849237 [10:35] l00t (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.67.216) joined ##slackware. [10:35] in both cases, it can't open the display [10:35] -X uses the secure methods, but i have troubles with systray things when I use it [10:35] oh [10:35] do you have .Xauthority set ? [10:35] slava_dp: theF? [10:35] Hey you folks jealous? Disk /dev/sdc: 1500.3 GB, 1500301910016 bytes [10:35] :D [10:35] err, XAUTHORITY [10:35] slava_dp: there shoeuld be squillions [10:36] well, set to what? like I said, my googling turned up nothing with configuration [10:36] XAUTHORITY=~/.Xauthority [10:36] riza: no. the storage array im using is 12TB raw [10:36] Zordrak, http://pastebin.ca/1849239 [10:36] and where does that go? [10:36] Zordrak, D:.... [10:36] hi there [10:36] raela: export it [10:36] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Client Quit [10:36] Zordrak: try xhost + , it allowd anyone to connect to you x server [10:36] Zordrak, should I repeat as root? (if mac has root...) [10:36] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [10:37] *allows [10:37] admboom: slava_dp: well thanks guys.. im guessing their probably hidden in an archive somewhere [10:37] trhodes: on the computer I'm using or the one I'm connecting to? [10:37] the one you're using -- is XAUTHORITY set ? [10:37] slava_dp: im looking for specific HP PPD files that HP dont provide because they dont "support" them on linux, and the PPD files arent downloadable xbecause "theyre included in Mac OS X" [10:38] oh, it is set [10:38] raela: sounds like maybe you need a login shell, are you in an xterm ? [10:38] nvision (~nvision@g225056218.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:38] trhodes: using rxvt [10:39] trhodes: I do run rxvt as a login shell [10:39] Okay thanks a lot guys. [10:39] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [10:40] raela: crap, even as non-login it's set [10:40] raela: how's the server configured ? [10:40] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:41] slava_dp: should be /Library/Printers/ PPDs/Contents/Resources [10:41] trhodes: pretty much stock.. these are just my two laptops. only things I changed was preventing root login and tried enabling all of the X11 forwarding stuff [10:41] aitiba (~aitiba@115.168.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:41] but if theyre not installed... (i dont know if Mac has mini/maxi installation varieties) [10:42] Zordrak, I suspect they only get installed/unpacked if the relevant printer is available. [10:42] raela: i only have those two set as well. restart ? [10:43] but how come HP does not give out this stuff for Linux? They invest a lot in hplip. [10:43] AHAH [10:43] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [10:43] slava_dp: (some printers they just dont support) [10:43] mac OS ships all the HP drivers in one package [10:43] mac and linux do not differ so much. both use cups... [10:43] slava_dp: i know.. its insane [10:44] now i know what i need.. i cant work out how to get it [10:44] "HP Printer Driver 1.1.1" [10:44] ooo [10:44] i have a dmg on the way down :) [10:44] raela: you want to use public key auth, i take it ? [10:45] Axius (~fd@92.85.213.152) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:45] a USB stick, some cpio and 1300 dirlevels later and i might have it :) [10:46] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [10:46] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@h80ad270a.async.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:46] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-12.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. 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[10:50] lol [10:50] zarock_ (zarock@olaf.pepin.pl) left irc: Quit: Reconnecting [10:50] l00t (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.67.216) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:50] lol [10:51] Lake Shore Blvd... is that in Toronto? [10:51] Nick change: kloeri_ -> kloeri [10:51] why is that funny? [10:51] acidchild: you live in an odd city [10:51] friends of mine have been stabbed and died, it's not really funny [10:52] maybe lol'ing at it is the funny part [10:52] Yeah. Funny... *not* [10:52] phrags: i laughed because it sounds like everywhere [10:52] y'know, the ol meta lol [10:52] i was 13 when i got stabbed first by another kid [10:52] 13 year olds with knives :| [10:52] doesn't matter where i move, kids will be kids ;x [10:54] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [10:55] Axius (~fd@92.85.213.152) joined ##slackware. [10:55] anyone here is a kde user? Does that thing already allows changing virtual desktops with the keyboard? 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[10:59] not related [10:59] acidchild: yes [10:59] Action: phrags <3 kde 4 [11:00] you have thrown in fluxbox phrags ? :< [11:00] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:02] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:03] zarock (zarock@olaf.pepin.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:04] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:05] pupiteee (~p@79.101.224.242) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:05] wtf is going on here i HATE YOU APPLE [11:06] niels__horn (~bb5946ad@gateway/web/freenode/x-rriktvrlgojochob) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:06] Weird0ne (~julianm@endeavor.jdrush.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:07] i FINALLY have a xar archive that should have the PPDs... but i cant extract it because of errors that seem to be attributed to "a leopard-only filestructure" [11:07] well LOL [11:07] what's proprietary, stays proprietary [11:07] looks like some kind of ZFS clusterfsck [11:07] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-123-47-229.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [11:08] Ouch. mac-tardation [11:08] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [11:08] its even on a frigging hfsplus formatted USB stick for crying out loud [11:09] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [11:09] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.111.32) joined ##slackware. [11:10] hi, if a hard disk loses power for a second (due to faulty power cable or power supply), does anything get logged in /var/log/messages? [11:11] how [11:11] seems i need an app called pacifist [11:12] and guess what OS pacifist is for(!!) [11:12] naak (~nak@89.121.200.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:12] Zordrak: windows? [11:12] Nope. Mac. and its tossing shareware! [11:12] haha [11:13] all i want is a shitting file [11:13] ARGH [11:13] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:13] mac boils in it's own cooking pot [11:14] can't you unxar the archive on mac? [11:14] i dont suppose your cow-orker has pacifist installed? [11:15] slava_dp: no.. seems xar on SL isnt good enough either [11:15] i don't think he has [11:15] Zordrak: lol, isn't that the newest os x? [11:16] naak (~nak@89.121.200.106) joined ##slackware. [11:16] zaltekk: its not a newness issue, its mac locking down an installer so only leopard can open it thing [11:16] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.111.32) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:16] so its technically just a xar, but its one only the leopard app installer (or pacifist) can open [11:16] i would have to actually install the drivers on a leopard system to get at thme [11:17] anyone with seopard prepared to install some useless HP printer drivers? [11:17] (300MB download too) [11:17] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:18] ah. i don't see the point in that. [11:18] zaltekk: i just need some PPD files.. and they are in this installable package [11:18] i cant get at the bastards [11:18] Zordrak: but you have no way to extract them without downgrading your OS? [11:19] its the installer theyre in that i cant extract them from.. the files themselves can be used in any cups installation [11:19] so i need access to snow leopard just to extract the files [11:19] are you sure that stuff will work on linux? [11:20] well.. i say snow leopard, the website says 10.5.3 or higher [11:20] Zordrak: sorry, i can't help there. no mac. [11:20] slava_dp: ppd is ppd.. regardless of the OS [11:20] its basically a printer driver definition written in plain text [11:20] i just wonder why the ppd's aren't supplied separately. [11:21] you and me both [11:21] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:22] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:22] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:22] slava_dp: if you can help.. http://support.apple.com/downloads/HP_Printer_Driver_1_1_1 [11:22] wow bitlbee is 'too' secure. i have an active connection going through irssi on the hosting box, and i tried to connect from a local computer, same name, and it's treating it as two separate channels [11:23] if i use dd to burn a dvd image, am i going to be able to boot from it? [11:23] i'd like to have a user connected from a local computer and the localhost connection to be sharing the channel [11:23] eh, not really, Zordrak. I'm sorry, don't want to mess with his mac (and to d/l 300M too). [11:23] maybe cdrecord will burn it properly for me [11:23] zaltekk: don use dd [11:23] slava_dp: fair enough [11:23] zaltekk: you don't use dd to burn [11:23] Axius (~fd@92.85.213.152) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:23] zaltekk: growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=ISOFILE [11:24] Zordrak: that will be bootable? [11:24] admboom: can you be persuaded? [11:24] zaltekk: yes [11:24] Zordrak: okay, thankyou. [11:24] zaltekk, there are some good tips in the isolinux/ dir on the slackware media or ftp. [11:25] Zordrak, i asked, my coworker denied that request [11:25] admboom: k.. thanks though [11:25] Action: admboom waiting for him to leave his mac open :) [11:25] lol [11:26] quick vim question, how do you return the line number your on [11:26] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:26] thoguht was ctrl+g [11:27] Shift+g [11:27] phrags: do you not get it in the bottom right corner already? [11:27] oh yes... heh, thanks =) [11:28] ..it's monday =P [11:28] a MIGHT have found a 10.4 version with a valid ppd... trying to break it open now [11:28] phrags: i think ctrl+g will force it to update where you are in the file [11:28] yuck, those mac paths have the buzzword "framework" not once, not twice, but four times [11:28] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-shtcwrnyedlsacnq) left irc: Quit: xMDKx [11:28] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@h80ad270a.async.vt.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:29] god damn cpio archives [11:29] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@h80ad270a.async.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:30] mag0o_ (20001@slackhost.lynchmv.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:31] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-147-254.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [11:32] im in! [11:32] its old.. but i hawe it [11:33] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [11:33] Is there a way for a normal user to check if a package is installed? [11:33] bsdtar might be able to extract it :) [11:33] on -current, anyway, from libarchieve [11:33] Mel-nix: ls /var/log/packages/* is what I do [11:34] adamk (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [11:34] so....i have a dedicated box that i would like to turn into a streaming library for my windows itunes library....can this be done in slackware? [11:34] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.22) joined ##slackware. [11:35] righteous, try this: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/audio/mt-daapd/ [11:35] I really don't know if it still works with recent itunes, but used to work great :> [11:36] trhodes: Hmm. Thanks. Is there another way as in /sbin/slackpkg info PACKAGENAME ? [11:36] sweet, ill give it a try [11:37] Mel-nix: that sounds like that would work, too (i haven't used slackpkg) [11:37] mag0o (20001@slackhost.lynchmv.com) joined ##slackware. [11:37] Mel-nix: /usr/sbin/slackpkg ;-) [11:38] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:39] init[1]: Oh, yes. Sorry. I don't know how I could have forgotten that. Thanks :) [11:39] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.111.32) joined ##slackware. [11:40] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:40] Mel-nix, make a small script, name it chkpkg, put it in /usr/local/bin :-) (for pkg in $@; do ls /var/log/packages/$pkg*; done) [11:40] alreadygone: i think dmesg output would be what you want [11:41] /sbin/ is not meant for that purpose usually,though you are free to pollute it :P [11:43] init[1], it's better to populate /usr/local/sbin instead :) [11:43] Action: init[1] ls -l /var/log/packages/ | grep $1 | awk '{print $8}' [11:44] awk '/$1/ {print $8}' [11:44] slava_dp: :) [11:45] (i probably screwed up the quoting) [11:45] trhodes: ;-) [11:45] thanks trhodes :) [11:45] yw, gotta fix the quoting yerself :) [11:46] Reaver1 (Joachim@212.88.117.162) left ##slackware. [11:46] Nick change: r4ng0 -> Gr1nch [11:46] Gr1nch (gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left ##slackware. [11:47] for pkg in $@; do ( cd /var/log/packages; ls $pkg* ); done [11:47] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-116-13-60.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:48] ls /var/log/packages/ | cut -d/ -f4 [11:48] there's always awk's $FS, too [11:48] awk is awkward [11:48] oak's great [11:48] trhodes is quoting very well [11:48] ok are we into package search war ? :P [11:49] init!!! [11:49] trhodes: hey :) [11:49] tripFantastic: ^ [11:49] heh [11:49] how ya bin? [11:49] tripFantastic: how are ya ;-) [11:49] i'm ok ty [11:49] you? [11:49] tripFantastic: you get your xfs options straightened out ? [11:49] tripFantastic: i'm fine :) [11:49] yea; defaluted them [11:49] cool :) [11:50] 1g swap and the rest to an fs [11:50] i note that mkxfs doesnt make lost+found tho [11:50] nope, that's ext[234]'s job [11:50] well, i'm leaving ext* [11:50] well, maybe not ext2 [11:51] ahh, even ext2 does it [11:51] k [11:52] CaptObvi1usman (~The_Capta@antimatter.interrobanger.com) joined ##slackware. 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[12:03] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Quit: See you later [12:05] nvision (~nvision@g225056218.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:05] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) joined ##slackware. [12:05] Action: NaCl just uses rsync for that [12:06] Action: phrags needs to rsync his lunch [12:06] Action: NaCl does too [12:06] Mel-nix: yw , was afk :) [12:06] what's the past tense of rsync, anyways ? [12:06] rsunk? lol [12:06] I just use rsync'd [12:06] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:07] can k3b from current be used in the standard 13.0 64 bit installation? [12:07] Doubt it [12:07] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [12:08] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:09] SALT!!! [12:09] sometimes he goes by his full name [12:10] kosher? [12:10] no, sodium_chloride or so [12:10] pff [12:10] i guess it'd be kosher if pure though [12:10] no iodine pls [12:10] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:11] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [12:12] can any body to help me to get qmake & libqt4-dev [12:12] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.111.32) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:13] sounds like you took the deps literally [12:14] -dev is debian's splitting the packages up [12:14] nvision_ (~nvision@g224248254.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:15] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:15] Blue-Slacker: which qmake [12:16] weird proftpd does not want to run in inetd mode [12:16] its refusing anonymous ftp after commenting out ftp in the /etc/proftpd.conf file [12:16] Nick change: NaCl -> SodiumChloride [12:16] trhodes: there. :P [12:16] lol [12:16] erm, i mean /etc/ftpusers [12:17] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [12:18] trhodes: i want to make unetbootin but it say me you need to qmake libqt4-dev [12:18] despiron (~despiron@187.64.102.210) joined ##slackware. [12:18] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.5.57) joined ##slackware. [12:18] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-eaovzjxiidakfluf) joined ##slackware. [12:18] Blue-Slacker: ls /var/log/packages/*qt* [12:19] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) joined ##slackware. [12:19] what do you want unetbootin for, anyways ? [12:19] dd ftw [12:19] :) [12:19] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-eaovzjxiidakfluf) left irc: Client Quit [12:19] trhodes: /var/log/packages/qt-4.5.3_063bded-i486-3 [12:19] /var/log/packages/qtscriptgenerator-0.1.0-i486-1 [12:19] /var/log/packages/qtwitter-0.10.0-i486-1_SBo [12:20] naak (~nak@89.121.200.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:20] Action: phrags is lost in a jungle of svn updates [12:20] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-xuryolbzmicupwjc) joined ##slackware. [12:21] naak (~nak@89.121.200.106) joined ##slackware. [12:21] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-xuryolbzmicupwjc) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:21] Action: Zordrak is lost in a jungle of PPD file lines [12:22] Blue-Slacker: http://packages.debian.org/sid/libqt4-dev -- you already have it ;) [12:22] InTel_GB (intel@95.43.5.57) left ##slackware. [12:22] Blue-Slacker: but I think you'd be surprised how useless unetbootin is [12:23] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-hkmjtpxhkscbzyoz) joined ##slackware. [12:23] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-123-47-229.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:23] ilj_ (~ilj@195.88.15.2) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:23] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:24] Blue-Slacker: you want to boot an iso on usb, maybe ? [12:24] pireau (1000@208.92.18.67) joined ##slackware. [12:24] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:25] trhodes: yes [12:26] it wouldn't be for a netbook, would it ? [12:27] godmode (~godmode@cpe-72-129-79-118.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:27] CcSsNET (~user@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:28] Wow!!! two days straight at this final stage upgrade...my head hurts! [12:28] I will look about nouveau support for these days [12:29] X11 especificly [12:29] someone using current ? [12:31] X:P [12:32] have anyone compiled X11 nouveau module ? [12:33] asamoah (~caio@190.244.63.154) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:33] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:34] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.5.57) joined ##slackware. [12:34] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:34] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [12:35] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [12:35] How can I boot with the HUGE kernel if something go wrong? [12:35] InTel_GB: add it to lilo.conf [12:36] last Stage2 import inituated. Woo! [12:36] ardya (ardy@unaffiliated/ardya) joined ##slackware. [12:36] yes, but what I shoult type instead of image = /boot/vmlinuz [12:37] image = /boot/vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.29.6-smp [12:37] I notice that xmms under -current still has an incorrect ./configure arg, I reported this error a few weeks ago [12:37] ardya: if youve reported it to pat, leave it at that [12:37] Isn't xmms dead? [12:37] noooo [12:37] righteous (~righteous@pool-72-95-110-253.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:38] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:39] still a part of slackware :| [12:39] and other distros, and other OSs [12:39] ardya (ardy@unaffiliated/ardya) left ##slackware ("BitchX: There is no reason."). [12:39] hmm [12:39] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7A39.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:39] I didn't think any distros still shipped it [12:40] hey guys... having a issue.. i'm trying to upgrade from 12.2 to 13.0 with slackpkg... it keeps fail with corrupted file output when i do slackpkg upgrade-all [12:42] artv61, which other distros still provide it? [12:42] godmode: What error print? [12:43] oops, tab fail [12:44] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:45] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) joined ##slackware. [12:46] Intel_GB: slackpkg mirror is set to 13.0; slackpkg update successful; slackpkg install-new successful; slackpkg upgrade-all list all the upgrade file, but can't install.. the packages end in txz not tgz.. why? [12:46] Thats the new file format? [12:47] then why would slackpkg see it as corrupted file? [12:47] RTFM [12:47] ? [12:48] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] thrice` [12:48] RTFM? ahah,,, if you can't help.. please refrain from commenting [12:49] "god" bless the american people and the democrapic party. finally. [12:49] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [12:49] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [12:49] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-13.0/UPGRADE.TXT [12:49] jeev, you are safe once again, jeev [12:49] i didn't ask you directly, its a general question all support are welcome and thanks in advance but refrain from RTFM comments.. you don;t have to answer the question [12:49] godmode, of course I can help, but if you don't know wha ta '.txz' file is, you have alot more to read and understand than what slackpkg is denying you [12:50] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [12:50] :> [12:50] In this case..RTFM is the correct answer o.O [12:50] agreed [12:50] Heh... [12:50] godmode, ok, how about: rtf-documents-people-spend-alot-of-time-writing-for-your-lazy-ass [12:50] thats more understanding then straight flaming bro.. [12:51] methinks the last installpkg stanza of UPGRADE.TXT is all your slackpkg can handle [12:51] (or should) [12:51] yes, at least read step #1 [12:52] jeev, at least now, you can avoid getting a real job a bit more [12:52] people read? bah [12:53] it's over-rated [12:53] e01|afk (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:53] hurts the eyes [12:54] why assume people haven't read the manual. how about if the have the manual and still the problem exist. thats what wrong with society so eager to assume then ask question.. [12:55] godmode: because you asked a question that is answered early in the manual.. [12:55] Then they should say that they've read the manual and followed the instructions and are having a specific problem that the manual didn't seem to address. [12:55] the entire packaging format changed in 13.0, if you haven't gotten that, you haven't even attempted to look into anything [12:55] Your question suggests that you haven't read the manual or, if you have, you didn't understand it. [12:56] And if you didn't understand it, that's fine, you should simply say so. [12:56] thrice`, TANKS GOD! [12:56] brklynRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:56] i'll continue working to support you though, keep spending MY TAX DOLLARS [12:56] thanks thrice` [12:56] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:57] can't wait, a couple years of your tax monies and i'll have my SSD! [12:57] oh wait, i already got it! [12:58] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:58] not me, my thinkpad still has around an 80gb, 5400 drive :( [12:58] that's gotta be the hilight of this year's accomplishments. i'm so proud of you [12:58] ;( [12:58] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:59] XGizzmo, take out your checkbook and write 1% of your salary as a check to the IRS, $15 [13:00] thrice`: the dates on http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmms/files/ are from '02 [13:00] TacoTacoTaco (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-wytjeylulzuugccl) joined ##slackware. [13:00] yes, it's anxient and un-maintained :p I wasn't questioning that :) [13:00] doesn't projectM still use it or something ? [13:01] tooly (tooly@e178132236.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware. [13:01] (looks like xmms2 is alive and well) [13:02] false advertising - xmms2 is another beast [13:02] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-219-51.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:02] yup, but maybe that was the confusion... duno [13:02] IrquiM (~irquim@118.84-234-151.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:02] trhodes, xmms > xmms2 [13:03] i only used xmms when I was jonesing for winamp :P [13:03] but it doesn't have a wiki or web browser built in [13:03] which is obviously a requirement these days [13:04] thrice`, i don't see it so obvious that such should be required [13:04] thrice`, why are media players constantly trying to be windows media player or itunes? [13:04] mm, I guess my sarcasm is off today. perhaps I sign I should go back to work [13:05] that's how those crappy apps have security holes, the web browser part [13:05] thrice`: sarcasm is lost on the immature mind.. thats why i cant deal with little children... if they dont understand sarcasm i cant communicate with thew [13:05] *them [13:05] lol [13:06] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [13:06] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:07] sarcasm is also occasionally lost on those who just woke up [13:07] indeed [13:07] all maturity or lack thereof aside [13:07] Zordrak: yes..because sarcasm is easy to detect over text. SO much emotion can easily be gathered from text. [13:07] text isn't the best medium for communicating sarcasticly [13:07] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:08] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:08] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.5.57) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [13:08] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.5.57) joined ##slackware. [13:08] InTel_GB (intel@95.43.5.57) left ##slackware. [13:08] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [13:09] Nick change: SodiumChloride -> NaCl [13:10] Nick change: trhodes -> tar [13:10] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [13:10] Nick change: tar -> trhodes [13:11] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:12] Crimius (~crimius@209-254-21-194.ip.mcleodusa.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] Action: godmode smoke break!! [13:15] Ivshti (~ivo@77.76.50.154) joined ##slackware. [13:16] Help. After upgrading to -current, inkscape(1) seems to have stopped working. It does not even compile. [13:16] pastebin the error? [13:17] Mel-nix, you need to patch it to work [13:17] because of pango [13:17] wait, let me find the link [13:17] Crimius (crimius@209-254-21-194.ip.mcleodusa.net) left ##slackware. [13:17] it doesn't play nice with latest popplers [13:17] yep, poppler [13:17] yay poppler [13:18] it [13:18] 's not popplers fault [13:18] pango plus poppler patches, pretty please [13:18] :P [13:18] make[2]: *** [extension/internal/pdfinput/pdf-parser.o] Error 1 [13:18] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-98.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:18] IrquiM (~irquim@118.84-234-151.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] Mel-nix, https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/487038 [13:19] Mel-nix if you really want inkscape, revert a few versions of poppler [13:19] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36057611/inkscape-poppler-0.12.2.patch [13:19] mancha, thats bad [13:20] no, your patch is bad [13:20] which is why it hasn't been included upstream [13:20] it works [13:21] i never said its good, =P [13:21] you just think it works, enjoy it. [13:21] ive been enjoing it for 4 months [13:21] which path do i choose? [13:21] - The certificate is not issued by a trusted authority. Use then fingerprint to validate the certificate manually!nCertificate information:n - Hostname: *.svn.sourceforge.netn - Valid: from Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:21:55 GMT until Sat, 05 Feb 2011 10:03:23 GMTn - Issuer: Equifax Secure Certificate Authority, Equifax, USn - Fingerprint: ea:d1:3e:01:cc:16:e9:9b:c2:ab:4b:0c:cc:26:5f:25:78:ea:89:b4 [13:21] I have found this in graphics/inkscape: inkscape-poppler-0.12.2.patch [13:22] TacoTacoTaco: The one facing away from this channel... [13:22] Zordrak: ? [13:22] Zordrak: what do you mean? [13:22] What do I apply the patch to? [13:24] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.5.57) joined ##slackware. [13:25] InTel_GB (intel@95.43.5.57) left ##slackware. [13:25] Mel-nix: the source code [13:25] Immundus (~obi@g225048083.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:26] wertik_rus (~wertik@89-178-136-245.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:28] yeah baby... i got it. i got it. YES!!!! [13:29] Action: godmode back to smokin' and jammin' on my guitar [13:29] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [13:31] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.72.191) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:33] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:33] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) joined ##slackware. [13:36] asamoah (~caio@190.244.63.154) joined ##slackware. [13:38] righteous (~righteous@pool-72-95-110-253.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [13:38] this is infuriating. [13:38] i setup daap [13:40] only to find out that songbird doesn't really support it but claims to, none of the addons will install and none of the workarounds actually work, itunes disabled daap because they're part of a DRM conspiracy, and none of the clients that claim to support daap....actually SUPPORT daap. [13:40] so ive got a box that will be hosting my music collection. apparently daap is not the answer. what would be a good way to serve it so that I can play these songs in a media client with playlists? [13:41] do they have to play on the client, or just controlled by the client? [13:41] they've got to play on the client [13:41] the box just hosts the files [13:41] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [13:41] ok, was going to suggest MPD otherwise [13:42] asamoah (~caio@190.244.63.154) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:42] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Access_Protocol#DAAP_Clients [13:42] righteous, amarko didnt worked? [13:42] asamoah (~caio@190.244.63.154) joined ##slackware. [13:42] guax, the client box is running xp [13:42] hummmm [13:43] Nick change: off_tr4mp0 -> Gr1nch [13:43] asamoah (~caio@190.244.63.154) left irc: Client Quit [13:43] samba? =P [13:43] oh neat it looks like amarok is xp compatible now [13:44] ew god requires kdewin [13:45] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [13:45] Blue-Slacker (blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left ##slackware. [13:45] this chan requires slackware and we are not complaining about you [13:45] guax, itunes really should be removed from the daap client list since it no longer supports it [13:45] BS{H} (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [13:45] itunes is trojanware :> [13:46] righteous, ampache? gnump3d [13:46] can any body help me about vpn in slackware [13:46] asamoah (~caio@190.244.63.154) joined ##slackware. [13:46] asamoah (~caio@190.244.63.154) left irc: Client Quit [13:46] BS{H}: if you ask an actual question [13:46] I used to use that in college tos hare my music with iTunes roommates, but I guess that was 4 years ago-ish. makes sense that apple would eliminate such a feature [13:46] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.73.174) joined ##slackware. [13:47] Action: righteous starts boycotting apple products in disgust [13:47] Gr1nch (gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left ##slackware. [13:47] don't be a hater [13:47] straterra: i want to use vpn , but i cant not any way can you help me [13:47] DRM restrictions, reduced functionality to milk more money == Boycott. [13:48] BS{H}: If you state what the actual problem is, maybe [13:49] asamoah (~caio@190.244.63.154) joined ##slackware. [13:50] wedjat (wedjat@mailor.smile.fr) left ##slackware. [13:51] Hmm, I have found the following lines in the SlackBuild script for inkscape: [13:51] # Uncomment for use on -current [13:51] #patch -p1 < $CWD/inkscape-poppler-0.12.2.patch [13:52] qt3 and qt4 can both be installed at the same time right? [13:53] TacoTacoTaco: depends [13:54] awesome, soundbox also does not support daap. [13:54] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.5.57) joined ##slackware. [13:54] what did the author of this wiki just add random audio clients to the daap-support list to sound knowledgable? [13:55] I haven't multiprocessor system so that I can boot with nosmp, but are there any problems after that? [13:55] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [13:55] annnnd now im on the last one, crossfire. [13:56] InTel_GB: No. [13:57] so I shouldn't recompile the kernel? [13:57] righteous (~righteous@pool-72-95-110-253.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:57] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-98.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:57] InTel_GB: no, i'm on a single core system too -- no problems here [13:58] InTel_GB: does your cpu support hyperthreading ? [13:58] thanks, I'll try :) [13:58] hm I am not sure, I use Intel Celeron [13:58] InTel_GB: if so, my understanding is that smp doesn't hurt (and with HT, can help) [13:59] Thanks, but if something goes wrong how to turn on it again? [13:59] fsilva (~fsilva@201.86.8.145.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:00] hyperthreading imo is not good advice [14:00] especially on a celeron! [14:00] Is it even in a celeron? [14:00] he said so [14:01] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:01] celerons have less cache then pentiums. and hyperthreading cuts that cache in half [14:01] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:01] yeah, that's why i used such weak phrasing :) [14:01] i duno these kinds of things [14:01] eh i am to OCD not to know :D [14:02] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-98.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:02] hyperthreading is a pro/con game and should be viewed from a "system needs/design" stand point [14:02] yeah -- do celerons even have it, though ? [14:02] some of the more recent models do yes [14:02] (I think) [14:04] john_dee (~id@95-29-180-25.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:06] so, how to turn it on later if something go wrong :P [14:06] use the other kernel [14:06] huge? [14:06] nothing should "go wrong" as much as you might get better performance one way or another [14:06] a generic is the recomended kernel [14:07] when booting slack i got warnings of ude - to update SYSFS to ATTR, should I replace it in the /lib/udev/rules.d/80-usb_modeswitch.rules file? [14:07] Yes, I know that, hust don't understoot 'the other' [14:07] udev [14:07] -smp or lack thereof [14:07] CcSsNET: having hyperthreading enabled in the kernel gives a minimal performance hit [14:07] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.13.29) joined ##slackware. [14:07] It doesn't half the cache eithre [14:07] either^ [14:08] Also, using Hyperthreading helps on workloads that have multiple apps fighting for CPU time, which is most desktop usage [14:09] i did not say kernel. hyperthreading in the bios halfs the cache. it uses it kinda like ddr memory works. so its half its performance on cache just to do 2 things at once [14:09] InTel_GB (intel@95.43.5.57) left ##slackware. [14:09] its fake dual core [14:09] It's selective pausing of a thread at different points in the CPU pipeline [14:09] or fake dual cpu [14:09] Which helps for most desktop workloads [14:10] but not all ;) [14:10] I never said all [14:10] Unless you have a workload that is degraded by it, leave it on [14:10] i think it just utilizes your cpu more efficiently, is all [14:11] trhodes: It pauses a thread to let another thread execute [14:11] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:11] i turn it off for gaming and compiling. the 2 things i do most often [14:11] ;) [14:11] As long as your workload isn't latency sensitive, it works well enough [14:12] InTel_GB must have gotten bored [14:14] xsamurai (~munki@75.85.175.245) joined ##slackware. [14:14] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:16] hba (~hba@148.208.237.253) joined ##slackware. [14:16] hba (hba@148.208.237.253) left ##slackware. 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[15:01] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:01] godmode (godmode@cpe-72-129-79-118.socal.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("godmode+nmap+whois=kAbOoM!!"). [15:03] Where can I set a new console font to be loaded when slackware starts? [15:03] i_is_cat (~i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:04] Axius: run the font setup script from pkgtool [15:04] i got a kernel oops.. i pasted the info that spewed to my console before the system became unresponsive: http://pastebin.ca/1849509 [15:05] IrquiM (~irquim@118.84-234-151.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:05] NaCl: I've downloaded terminus-font and I can not find when I run pkgtool. [15:06] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [15:08] KB1JWQ (~KB1JWQ@freenode/staff/kb1jwq) joined ##slackware. [15:08] administrivia (~Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego) joined ##slackware. [15:08] \ottizen (kottizen@unaffiliated/icanhasfreenode) joined ##slackware. [15:09] \ottizen (kottizen@unaffiliated/icanhasfreenode) left ##slackware. [15:09] um... [15:09] NaCl: you still there! [15:10] Axius: uhm... terminus could easily be a font not supported by the console. And in that case, your objective may not be possible. [15:11] I noticed that helium advertising balloons yesterday motorcycling, and those would make for a great way to get an antenna up in the air [15:11] Anyway, I've got to ru [15:11] Sorry, wrong window [15:11] *run [15:12] NaCl: What console font do recommend then? [15:12] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:13] Nick change: hd -> jd [15:13] I have un-commented the line int the SlackBuild script for inkscape, and still it won't finish compilation. [15:13] I'm useing only the console. [15:14] you think anyone would be interested by a chromium slackbuild? [15:14] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [15:14] Nick change: Torrento1 -> Torrentow [15:15] Mel-nix, are you using current version? [15:15] Axius (~fd@109.97.56.93) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:16] are there any slackbuilds for winex? [15:16] asamoah (~caio@190.244.63.154) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:16] powtrix: 0.47 [15:16] slackware I mean [15:16] echelon: What is winex? [15:16] powtrix: Yes. [15:17] it's wine.. for games using directx [15:17] Axius (~fd@109.97.56.93) joined ##slackware. [15:17] echelon: Yes, there exists a SlackBuild script for wine(1). [15:17] administrivia (~Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego) left irc: Quit: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [15:17] inkscape should work on 13, here it doesn't compile and Im using current too. [15:18] wine and winex aren't the same [15:18] IrquiM (~irquim@118.84-234-151.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [15:18] wine is wine, not wine(1) [15:18] sorry to whine, but giving the manpage reference is annoying :) [15:18] echelon: from my own experience winex is just a crappy bloat of patches over wine that doesn't support more than some specific versions and is broken the next patch.... [15:19] mancha: Yes, but it does help sometimes. ;-) [15:19] So asking again: Are some of you interested by a chromium slackbuild? [15:19] :) [15:20] nah, it's just annoying(8) [15:20] Action: Mel-nix looks up the man-page for annoying. [15:21] how can i rune a program with a costum pid file ? [15:21] why whine where one would wash down wine ? [15:21] mancha: No entry for annoying in section 8 of the manual [15:21] oxiredo_ro: why would you do that? [15:22] oh sorry "pid file" [15:22] i am listening online radio; and when i change the sonk [15:22] i've seen MIT magic cookies / mktemp used for files in /tmp, is that more like what you want ? [15:22] i want to kill curent mplayer sesion and start another [15:22] oh [15:22] killal mplayer [15:22] nono [15:22] killall* [15:22] just one of 'em ? [15:23] i want to kill onli those that play the radio (not a movie for example) [15:23] so when you run mplayer get it's PID with $! [15:23] heh [15:23] then kill PID [15:23] i'm out [15:23] yes [15:23] later mancha [15:23] how i do that [15:23] with $! [15:24] mplayer blahlbal & [15:24] mplayer ... $ [15:24] echo $! [15:24] mplayer & mplayer_pid=$! [15:24] aha [15:24] tnx [15:24] kill $mplayer_pid [15:24] ^^ [15:24] testing right now ^^ [15:25] if mplayer is backgrounded, though, doesn't it block ? [15:25] still, this is easy [15:25] shouldn't [15:25] use "$mplayer & mplayer_pid=$!" [15:25] mplayer=mplayer $opts $file [15:25] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [15:26] mplayer=mplayer $opts $file <- i do not understant that [15:26] ps axjf | less -S #what's wrong with that? does this need to be automated ? [15:27] if you is writing a script set opts as the options you like, fullscreen/aspect etc.. [15:29] oxiredo_ro: do you just need to know how to get one particular instance of mplayer, or some automatic way to kill the desired instance ? [15:29] I try to run mplayer in bg [1] + suspended (tty and I get this : output) mplayer [15:29] yeah, i tihnk it blocks [15:29] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:29] oxiredo_ro: also, you can control mplayer with a fifo [15:30] just send the stop / quit / whatever command to the named fifo to get it [15:30] try gmplayer [15:31] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:31] trhodes, ;if i want to be automatic;i can use " kill -s 9 $mplayer_pid" ? [15:31] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [15:31] ok [15:31] not necessarily [15:32] but I see more what you want now :) [15:32] u sad something about fifo.. [15:32] yes [15:32] what is that [15:32] man fifo:D [15:32] fifa? [15:33] how can i use mplayer with fifo [15:33] man mplayer | less -p '-input ' [15:33] fifo ! [15:33] man mkfifo # for a little more on fifos [15:34] fee fie foe fum [15:34] fun ? [15:34] trhodes: but i don't want to pay for it! [15:34] aww shucks ;) [15:35] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-78-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:36] you can surely get the pids of mplayer's with net sockets open too (lsof), so if it's just internet radio you want to kill, then consider lsof [15:36] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.55.214) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:36] biker (~biker@201.170.210.119.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [15:36] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] good morning :) [15:37] hi [15:37] morning` [15:39] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:42] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@187.64.65.190) joined ##slackware. [15:44] <_matze> evening :) [15:45] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:45] mitchx (~user@chello089078215246.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:46] naak (~nak@89.121.200.106) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:46] _matze (~matze@188-195-140-113-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: Quit: bis später.. [15:47] How can I run mplayer in background on slackware? [15:47] oxiredo_ro: mkfifo ~/fifo.mplayer ; mplayer -input=~/fifo.mplayer http://foo.b.ar/blah.m3u # or so [15:47] you can't [15:48] Axius ^ [15:48] asamoah (~caio@190.244.63.154) joined ##slackware. [15:48] trhodes: Why? [15:49] it needs the terminal, xoff (flow control off / stopped terminal) stops the sound output [15:49] why, well, i'm not too sure [15:50] i happed to find that (in terminal) mplayer foo.mp3 & [15:50] maybe "quieted" output works :/ [15:50] and then u press ctrl+a , d [15:50] asamoah (~caio@190.244.63.154) left irc: Client Quit [15:50] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [15:51] Axius, maybe u can use screen ? [15:51] (that's what I do) [15:52] dislocate, too [15:52] I get this : [1] + suspended (tty output) mplayer qntal_cupido.mp3 [15:52] fg [15:53] also, tmux, for folks who like that, would do [15:53] Axius: fg will bring the first job to the foreground.. man jobs =) [15:53] trhodes: It works with tmux? [15:53] probably, tmux is like screen [15:54] (in that respect) [15:55] I find this on faq on mplayer site: mplayer options filename < /dev/null & [15:55] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-155-10.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[16:19] maybe not, but does apm doesnt either but its there :p [16:19] true [16:19] s/does/null [16:20] maybe room was made for something higher-priority, i haven't looked at the sizes [16:21] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:22] vastina (jaird@64.215.163.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:23] sahk0: there is no 64bit geode platform [16:23] that would explain it:) [16:28] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:28] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:29] CcSsNET (~user@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:37] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [16:38] tobyl (~tobyl@host81-155-188-161.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:39] stupid question: what does it mean "s/does/null" ;;; how do u spell it?:D [16:42] i think you're talking about Perl substitution operator [16:42] guys, is the "compiz" window manager supposed to work in kde? In a standard slack installation, I mean [16:42] but that it should be s/does/null/ [16:43] apparently, for me only kwin works [16:43] which means replace does with null [16:43] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@h80ad270a.async.vt.edu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:43] I think you put way too much thought into this ;) [16:44] compiz didnt even work correctly in kde 3 from what ive heard [16:44] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [16:44] Kaapa: The version of compiz that skips with Slackare 13.0 is pretty crippled. [16:45] Kaapa: It is just compiz, with out any of the extra plugins or the normal utility to configure it. [16:45] So I would not expect it to work properly. [16:46] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:46] If you install compiz-fusion, though, it will work fine in KDE4. [16:47] adamk: SBo? [16:47] not for 13.0, afaik [16:47] and is it any good? Or just waste resources? [16:47] I installed it from source without any tools, but I'm led to believe that the 12.2 Slackbuild will work on 13.0. [16:48] There is also a thread about compiz-fusion 0.8.4 on Slackware 13.0 on the linuxquestions forum. [16:48] ok [16:48] I prefer compiz's compositing to KDEs. [16:48] iirc it doesn't work with slack's compiz. You'll have to do something there as well [16:48] But it's all a matter of prerence. [16:48] trying to figure out if I'll find it a replacement for xfce for my usage [16:48] Yeah, well Slack's compiz can be easily removed. [16:48] Kaapa: I'm quite fond of xfce4 + compiz. [16:49] Though you really have to use emerald as your window decorator unless you have gnome installed. [16:49] In which case you can use gtk-window-decorator and metacity themes. But emerald has some decent themes to choose from. [16:49] no gnome here (and I just use xfce's compiz) [16:49] plasma and kwin interact more and more in each new kde sc release, so I would expect some serious functionality loss by using compiz [16:49] sorry, composite [16:50] Nick change: KB1JWQ -> kb1 [16:50] At the moment, there really is no functionality loss in using compiz over kwin. [16:50] Nick change: kb1 -> KB1JWQ [16:50] Ivshti (~ivo@77.76.50.154) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:50] Unfortunately, the decoration libraries for KDE change with every release, breaking the kde4-window-decorator, though. [16:50] pprkut, funny, is that why effects got slower in 4.4? :) [16:52] http://i.imgur.com/7z1A0.png [16:53] adamk: kde 4.4? I doubt that. Plasma's notification's rely on a kwin effect [16:53] agentc0re: Heh, I got the same thing the other day. [16:53] any comments in terms of productivity in compiz vs kwin/xfce? [16:53] pprkut: Meh... I don't consider that a loss in functionality. I find the notifications really annoying most of the time :-) [16:53] But, yes, I understand that is broken under compiz. [16:53] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [16:54] thrice`: mm, no idea. I doubt it. I would even see it as a possible performance gain, but meh... [16:54] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:55] reaper_ (~reaper@ppp-94-64-179-127.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:55] adamk: i am so glad i'm not longer with them. [16:55] hi all [16:55] Meh.. It hasn't impacted me much. I'm at 25% for March. [16:56] can i install pkg from bluewhite64-13.0 to slackware64-13 [16:56] adamk: i'm sure it wont... but if people aren't reaching this limit, why impose it at all? [16:56] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:56] True. [16:56] reaper_: i wouldn't recommend it. [16:56] adamk: they even say that MOST wont reach it or be impacted by it... [16:57] so they just wanna screw over the people that are trying to get what they are paying for because i remember how expensive their service was for just internet.. [16:57] i think i was paying $80 month. [16:57] thanks [16:57] reaper_: what are you wanting to install? [16:57] the nerve of people trying to use services they paid for [16:57] Avalloc (~a@port-12943.pppoe.wtnet.de) left irc: Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY! [16:58] kde 4.4.1 [16:58] Skywise: Pfft... I know right? It's like they think they deserve service after they've given us their moneyz. [16:58] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [16:58] reaper_: check out alienbob's site. he offer's it there. [16:58] I had very good luck with comcasts internet, but the price is what killed me [16:58] yes bat only for current [16:59] but [16:59] sorry [16:59] yeah, if companies give a fair deal the profits will go away [16:59] thrice`: same. When qwest finally got VDSL in my neighborhood, i switched. I now have 20down/5up for $55 month. [17:00] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-93-147.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:00] i have stable slackware [17:01] seems if comcraptastic provide a 3gb link, one should be able to pull 3gb steady, otherwise sell a 128k 2b ISDN... [17:01] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:02] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:02] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [17:02] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [17:02] comcast hijacks DNS here [17:02] s/gb/mb/ lol, would love 3gb woo [17:02] run your own dns server [17:02] ya, they did their dns hijacking a while back. just don't use their dns. /shrug [17:02] yep [17:03] comcast does hijack DNS but you can opt out of that [17:03] sadly it is not a simple thing to find for some [17:03] you should have to opt in [17:03] I agree [17:03] but that is not how it works at present [17:04] they are working to impliment this in all of their service areas along with other services. they push it off as added customer service [17:04] lol [17:04] v4nelle (~van@79.103.157.50.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:04] as I raped them via phone and email when they failed to resolve google [17:04] next they'll be putting spam in your email for an enhanced experience [17:04] I dont use them for email :) [17:05] ISP email is just plain bad [17:05] this is the kind of crap you get when salesmen run things [17:05] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.66.128) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:06] mitchx (~user@chello089078215246.chello.pl) left irc: [17:06] i'm bothering frontier about a modem charge, too [17:06] reaper_ (~reaper@ppp-94-64-179-127.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: ‘À¿ÇÎÁ·Ãµ [17:06] *"mandatory" modem charge [17:07] yeah, its funny, i have a 4 port dsl modem that my isp doesn't even offer anymore [17:07] is there a way to specify a newline character to cut? [17:07] zaltekk: cut with what ? [17:07] I would use sed to remove newlines [17:07] trhodes: the command cut. [17:07] or awk [17:07] ahh, try a quoted insert [17:08] andarius: well, i don't want to remove them. i just want to select a single line [17:08] ctrl+v enter [17:08] or so [17:08] okay, i'll try that [17:08] single quotes ought to do it as well [17:08] maybe both, i duno :/ [17:08] grep I think can pull a particular line as well [17:09] Ctrl+V then Enter returns ^M, which doesn't work [17:09] awk does multiline matches [17:09] $'\n" [17:09] whoops s/\"/\'/ [17:09] $'\n' [17:10] cut on newlines hardly makes sense [17:11] (to me) [17:11] i may be doing this in a really dumb way: ps a | grep /usr/bin/X | cut -d' ' -f 2 [17:11] it returns both the pid for /usr/bin/X and for grep /usr/bin/X [17:12] but i want to be able to just select one [17:12] do the [] trick [17:12] ps a | grep /[u]sr/bin/X | cut -d' ' -f 2 [17:12] ah [17:12] the shell doesn't see []'s [17:12] err something like that [17:13] well, that doesn't seem to work either [17:13] don't you mean [grep|X] [17:13] the actually command line doesn't show the [] [17:13] -ly [17:13] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:15] that command doesn't work for me (up to the cut) [17:15] goarilla (~goarilla@24.70-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:15] i was guessin anyway [17:15] you're trying do get some information about X ? [17:16] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving... [17:16] ps a | grep /[u]sr/bin/X | awk '{print $2}' [17:16] (but I duno what's supposed to happen here) [17:16] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:17] trhodes: just the process id of whatever process i grep'd [17:17] Jiraia (~Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::5397) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:17] pgrep X [17:18] pgrep -u root X [17:18] zux (~zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:18] hmm, i guess that is a better way to do it [17:19] kill -9 `pgrep X` [17:19] pidof [17:19] fiyawerx (~fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:20] nevermind, i thought pidof was a command :P [17:21] zux (~zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [17:21] err, wtf [17:21] it is [17:21] /sbin/pidof :) [17:22] HoldMyPocket (~schoward@12.157.146.158) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:23] alicephilippa (alice@88.128.93.211) joined ##slackware. [17:23] alicephilippa (alice@88.128.93.211) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:24] alicephilippa (alice@88.128.93.211) joined ##slackware. [17:27] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [17:30] looks like google is pulling a fast one on china by moving to hong kong [17:30] How is that a fast one? [17:31] win 20 [17:31] sQuEE (~narya@201.252.25.192) joined ##slackware. [17:31] basically because china has designated hong kong as a hands off zone [17:31] so instead of pulling out of china, they're daring the gov't to go back on its word [17:32] and then threaten the economic viability of hong kong's banking industry [17:32] stiers (~hp@174-23-29-153.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:32] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:32] stiers kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Patero-ng, the net just got a bit wider. *.slkc.qwest.net is next, and then *.qwest.net. Then everyone on the whole ISP will think you're an asshat; it won't be just us any more :) [17:33] XGizzmo, you there ? [17:34] goarilla (~goarilla@245.95-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [17:34] heh [17:34] sure [17:35] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [17:36] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:36] Skywise: I would call that good planning. [17:37] XGizzmo, take out your checkbook. you owe the IRS some monies [17:37] Yup alot more. [17:39] Thats why they need to hjire 16,000 more irs employees. [17:39] hire [17:40] lol, i read that as "hijack" [17:40] whats the diff [17:40] :) [17:41] you guys seem to be very upset about the healthcare reform bill [17:42] monstro (1000@187.10.79.17) joined ##slackware. [17:42] no. i'm glad it passed, i just don't want them to stop there [17:42] greenlantern (~aLinux@unaffiliated/alinux) joined ##slackware. [17:42] ..and the rest of us don't know what your talking about =P [17:42] we need to get rid of for profit health care, the whole idea is offensive [17:42] you were talking about the irs [17:42] eh, i wish it wasn't so insurance-heavy [17:43] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.59.187) joined ##slackware. [17:43] phrag: You know you like it everyday. [17:43] so i assumed it was about extra taxes because of ... [17:43] s/like/live/ [17:43] I'm with Skywise [17:43] lol.. i do like it everyday [17:43] no, its because his income is so low he only has to pay $15 in taxes, but is still behind [17:43] alicephilippa (alice@88.128.93.211) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:43] goarilla: 500 billon in new taxes. [17:44] still less then the bush tax cut for the rich [17:44] and the war [17:44] i think [17:44] yep [17:44] both unfunded and unpaid for [17:45] that'll give you quite the hangover in the future [17:45] Action: phrag socks are unfounded [17:45] there's "fun" in unfunded :P [17:45] man, your socks suck [17:45] so we have an unfunded war let pile on more debt. [17:46] if we can spend that much on a war and the rich, why not healthcare [17:46] neither of those were necessary [17:46] it reminds me a little bit of those sweet sixteen bday parties for spoiled whores [17:46] anyone know how to gets heredocs from bash scripts ? [17:47] *get [17:47] Your man is running things how come the war is not over? [17:47] Action: admboom wonders if goarilla is a raondom quote bot [17:47] what you mean get [17:47] its not like you can press a stop button and its over [17:47] pff asshole :D [17:47] awk or perl 'em to stdout [17:47] lol [17:47] something like that [17:47] its gonna take a while to untangle that mess [17:47] he's just the pres not a magician [17:47] no it don't just leave. [17:48] sed -en '/cat >> file << eof/,/eof/p' [17:48] yeah, thats why bush didn't for 7 years [17:48] goarilla: but heredocs are arbitrary [17:48] yeah but bush was in it for the money. [17:48] no, cheyney was [17:48] then you need to work on the regex some more [17:48] Nigr0mant3 (~Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [17:48] bush was in it to prove he could do what his dad didn't [17:49] hi all [17:49] that's what I mean, the regex ain't gonna work, it almost needs real parsing [17:49] pcre might do it [17:49] i just hope that in 2 years time the people don't forget that the recession and it's consequences were the fault of bush [17:49] you said it war a war for the rich. [17:49] Nigr0mant3 (~Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:49] they're forgetting it already [17:49] not obama but people have a short memory so i doubt it [17:49] so now it was for pride? [17:49] no, i said a war and tax breaks for the rich [17:49] Nigromante (~Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [17:49] greenlantern (aLinux@unaffiliated/alinux) left ##slackware. [17:50] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_spi [17:50] i think << is pretty unique to here docs [17:50] yes, but the command nor the token is [17:50] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:50] you could dd something instead of cat [17:51] true but you could remember it [17:51] yeah :/ [17:51] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-147-254.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [17:51] although sed is out of the question then [17:51] crap, i just wanted an elegant solution, and google hasn't helped much [17:51] and awk might be too [17:51] pcre's might do it if I make some assumptions [17:51] but I duno them worth a crap [17:52] if you want elegant, use perl, it will be so baroque you won't know what its doing but will be just happy it is [17:52] tabuboy (~58c1712e@gateway/web/freenode/x-trecfwxppeystjib) joined ##slackware. [17:52] i guess I could learn some perl :P [17:52] anyway, I am done with off topic talk in here on the subject. [17:53] throdes can i recommend the book mastering regular expressions [17:53] sure, that covers pcre's ? [17:53] it has just enough perl for that to be of use for you very fast [17:53] it uses perl as it's learning language [17:53] i've been at #regex a little [17:53] ok, nice [17:54] Nigromante (~Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:54] i have to relearn regex everytime i use it [17:54] thanks [17:54] POSIX i know well, pcre, none [17:54] ebros (~ebros@adsl-99-160-180-57.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] its almost as crazy as bash [17:55] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-93-147.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:55] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:01] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-12.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:03] asamoah (~caio@190.244.63.154) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:03] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.22) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [18:04] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:06] rbellamy (~rbellamy@adsl-69-105-233-172.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:07] XGizzmo, get your numbers straight. it's 17,000 employees [18:10] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-63-131-54-26.pit.onecommunications.net) joined ##slackware. [18:10] bush didn't care for the money. bush has money.. cheney has money, they do it for power and respect.. you think Karl Rove got $ for what he's done ? he was the architect behind everything, now he gets some money from fox news but i guarantee one thing, if rove wants to fly anywhere, stay anywhere.. it's done with a snap of his fingers, cause the people he empowered and made rich will pay him back with favors for life. [18:11] we need an hour a day of offtopic chat in this channel [18:11] they did it for money, you think having money satifies greed? [18:11] :) [18:11] they were trying to steal the iraqi oil contracts [18:11] Skywise, i think when you get that wealthy, money like that doesn't matter [18:11] lol [18:11] they're not directly benefitting. they're not putting the cash in their pockets. [18:11] gluttons aren't satified by eating either [18:11] benefiting [18:12] of course they are [18:12] Skywise, theyre in a place we'll never be. money is no object [18:12] how do you think halliburton got all those non compete contracts [18:12] not at all [18:12] halliburton aint bush. [18:12] they're still grubbing for money [18:12] its cheyney [18:12] bush and cheney aren't getting cash, they're getting power and favors. [18:12] he was the ceo before he picked himself to be vp [18:12] hi, i'm trying to build tabu audio player, but i get "configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --disable-static, --enable-shared" so how to deal with that [18:12] no, they're in it for the money [18:13] tabuboy: what do you think ? [18:13] lol [18:13] tabuboy: try ./configure --help to see options available [18:13] "when I punch myself in the face, it hurts. how do I stop it from hurting?" [18:13] monstro (1000@187.10.79.17) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:13] yes, i see that, and those are available [18:13] Skywise, you're wrong f0000000000000000 [18:13] jeev, you are killing america [18:14] its really not that hard to figure out [18:14] thrice`, it's all me! it's all terrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrorism, it's all socialism! america is going down the drain!!!!!!!!!!! oh wait, it did a while back [18:14] Skywise, there are the rich.. like gates, buffet.. then there are the wealthy [18:14] why do you think the army went around wrecking everything when it, so halliburton would get the contract to rebuild it [18:15] then chumps like us with real jobs? [18:15] jeev and skywise need to get it on [18:15] what are you talking about, they're in the top 5 richest people in the world [18:15] i guess so thrice` [18:15] xsamurai, ew. [18:15] Skywise, who ? [18:15] yeah no need to troll [18:15] gates and buffet [18:15] Skywise, you know there are people in africa you will never hear about that have more $ than gates/buffet [18:15] Action: xsamurai personally cant wait for the world to collapse , so I can put on my leather underwear "mad max time baby" [18:16] lol xsamurai [18:16] oh, well don't cash their checks [18:16] Skywise, that's why being wealthy > rich [18:16] um [18:16] you lost me, but thats ok, i'm happy that way [18:17] Skywise, gates, buffet.. still have to think about what they're gonna do, how they're gonna make money, how much they spend. that's what the rich do. the wealthy dont have to worry about anything [18:23] i'm starting to get tired of having to recompile all this crap or upgrade distros to get crap working gah [18:23] http://pastebin.com/hsWPcAgz [18:23] i think it's all fine, but why that WARNING [18:25] because configure does not support thoses options [18:25] alicephilippa (alice@88.128.93.211) joined ##slackware. [18:25] the warnings are written in very understandable english, why did you get confused by them? [18:25] Action: xsamurai ops himself in #jeev_&_skywise_govt_gang-bang_channel [18:26] juice: you working with gentoo ? [18:27] init[1] (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [18:27] no slackware [18:27] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [18:27] Guest47620554 (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:27] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [18:28] 12.2 doesn't work with crap i need and i'm not in the mood to recompile all the crap so it will, then I also not wanting to install 13.0 atm to make it work [18:28] xsamurai, i haven't heard any offers for compensation [18:28] meh i'll just do with out i guess [18:28] lol [18:28] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [18:28] juice: i'd sleep on it =) [18:28] init[1] (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [18:28] straterr1 (~straterra@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [18:28] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest88910 [18:29] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [18:29] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:29] martin_hex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:29] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Disconnected by services [18:29] Nick change: martin_hex -> martinhex [18:32] Action: powtrix backs to use fluxbox [18:32] XGizzmo: how would you put it then [18:33] tabuboy: There may not be an option. [18:33] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:33] juice gie me an example of something you need that doesn't jive with 12.2 [18:33] you can delete the static libs if you don;t want thim. [18:34] them [18:34] ok, but how would i know what is static and what not, i am not that expert [18:34] rbellamy_ (~rbellamy@adsl-69-105-233-172.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:38] Anjo_Malvado (~adriane@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [18:38] martin_hex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:38] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Disconnected by services [18:38] Nick change: martin_hex -> martinhex [18:38] rbellamy (~rbellamy@adsl-69-105-233-172.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:38] tabuboy: then don;t worry about it [18:38] alicephilippa (alice@88.128.93.211) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:39] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:40] newslacker (~kc@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] newslacker (kc@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. [18:43] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:46] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:46] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [18:47] rbellamy_ (~rbellamy@adsl-69-105-233-172.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Quit: Don't follow me [18:48] Mips (~Mipsalalw@74.194.240.41) joined ##slackware. [18:48] rbellamy (~rbellamy@adsl-69-105-233-172.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:49] pupiteee (~p@195.252.70.2) joined ##slackware. [18:49] has anyone had trouble getting mp3 support within slackbuild gnome? [18:49] what do you mean mp3 support [18:50] playing or making? [18:50] playback [18:50] there should be no problem because slackware can already play MP3s [18:50] Anjo_Malvado (~adriane@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: Quit: pong timeout [18:50] therefore it's your gnome, not slackwaree [18:51] apps like rythmbox and totem do not have support for mp3 playback [18:51] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:51] you need to verify how they were built and that you have the deps for them to support mp3 [18:52] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:52] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:54] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:55] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [18:55] i'll probably just stay in kde anyway. just bugs me that mp3 support is not available out of the box [18:56] for slackbuild gnome [18:56] I would ask some one on the GSB team, as I would think it would be [18:57] yea, me too. i was really shocked after i installed it and tried to import a mp3 directory into rythmbox and it crapped out on them [18:57] Mips: sure it is. #gsb [18:58] Tadgy (~tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) joined ##slackware. [19:00] tabuboy (~58c1712e@gateway/web/freenode/x-trecfwxppeystjib) left irc: Quit: Page closed [19:04] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.239) joined ##slackware. [19:05] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.239) joined ##slackware. [19:05] despiron (~despiron@187.64.102.210) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6 [19:07] righteous (~righteous@pool-72-95-110-253.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [19:07] Mips: again, /join #gsb if you need help. mp3 support is fully enabled. [19:07] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [19:08] can anyone find a setup tutorial for phpmyadmin after an sbopkg installation? [19:08] did not find this in google [19:08] biker (~biker@201.170.210.119.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:09] frk (~jcn@189.58.216.239.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:10] GSB doesn't support MP3s? We must really suck then :P [19:10] lol [19:11] I wish i'd known that... we could have omitted a shed load of packages... they are obviously useless as we don't support music playback... :) [19:12] Tirili (~opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) joined ##slackware. [19:12] maybe he realized he was missing all the gst-plugins{bad|ugly|whoreish} packages [19:12] haha, i love it when you hit a number on your pad and numlock's been turned off and your screen goes crazy when you're doing something delicate. [19:13] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:13] chipster: Or the ubuntu install disk :) [19:14] you're bad [19:14] righteous: /usr/doc/phpmyadmin-/Documentation.txt [19:15] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:15] Nehtaro (~Nehtaro@unaffiliated/nehtaro) joined ##slackware. [19:15] hello [19:16] ello [19:16] hiya doin' [19:16] pretty good [19:17] curious though (and definitely not trolling), why do you all use slackware? [19:17] thumbs told me to [19:17] and he was right [19:17] hey, thanks XGizzmo I guess I was just joking when I was specificly implying that the sbopkg installation may have deviated a little with the config files than had you installed it manually. [19:17] hmm [19:17] How can I find out the kernel boot options my pc is starting with? [19:18] Nehtaro: because I slack. [19:18] Tirili: less /boot/grub/menu.lst [19:18] Nehtaro: no [19:18] look at /etc/lilo.conf? [19:18] oh grub [19:18] my bad :P [19:18] Tirili: cat /proc/cmdline [19:18] shouldn't answer questions what I know nothing about slackware [19:18] Mips (~Mipsalalw@74.194.240.41) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:18] But is that it? Just because? :P [19:19] Nehtaro: if you want to find out, go install it [19:19] ok, thank you! [19:19] Nehtaro: People have different reasons. There's probably no one thing. [19:19] :q [19:19] For me, it was because the voices in my head told me to. [19:19] obvious focus fail =) [19:19] adaptr: I tried in a virtual machine once (I don't have DVD-writable drives). I liked it up until I tried to install openoffice. [19:19] Camarade_Tux: :q! [19:19] lol [19:19] What does this mean in /etc/lilo.conf ?: append="mem=4g vt.default_utf8=1" [19:19] Tadgy: lol. [19:20] so openoffice makes slack unlikeable? [19:20] Isn't all the installing and updating just a pain, for little benefit? [19:20] huh [19:21] no, it was the process of installing. I might not have given it enough time to grow on me, but I just couldn't see any benefits (size, speed, sexiness, etc.) [19:21] no the configuration is the bear's behind [19:21] and in terms of size and speed it is a real advantage. [19:22] Tirili: It means your focing your memory to be limited to 4GB (probably a bad idea - let it auto-detect it), and the vt.default is just for console language support. [19:22] focing. cool. [19:22] Heh, s/focing/forcing/ [19:22] Nehtaro: "all" the installing and updating ? you're delusional. insalling: DVD install all. updating: slackpkg. simple. [19:22] righteous: maybe I didn't notice because it was on virtualbox... but you sure it's not just a placebo? [19:22] Everyone loves to force, sometimes ;) [19:23] Nehtaro, yeah. im sure. [19:23] righteous: Haha, ok :) [19:23] adaptr: We [19:23] We [19:23] We'll come back to installing, but I actually didn't know updating was just slackpkg ;) [19:24] No, it's slapt-get. [19:24] Far easier and better :) [19:24] why will "we" come back to installing ? insert DVD / mount image, run install, install all [19:24] dont use slap-get. [19:24] And unsupported. [19:24] there's a lot of stuff the DVD doesn't have [19:24] righteous: And why not? [19:24] installation speed may be noticable on older hardware. on modern computers it shouldn't be that much different than any other major distro [19:24] Tadgy, because it could break your system. [19:24] lol! [19:24] righteous: Utter crap. [19:24] Nehtaro: sbopkg has most of everything you're likely to need [19:24] Ok [19:25] Tadgy, it's not as reliable and its not supported. [19:25] easier and better would be a personal effect for that one. slackpkg however is a supported method [19:25] righteous: So, you only install software provided by Slackware? [19:25] Tadgy: or build your own [19:25] righteous: Honestly? You expect us to believe there is nothing on your system not supplied by slack? [19:25] Tadgy, no, I just dont install software that will eventually break my system. [19:25] righteous: State your evidence. [19:26] Nick change: straterr1 -> straterra [19:26] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) joined ##slackware. [19:26] Tadgy, evidence? Sure. alienBOB, mwalling, rworkman, straterra, nachox: how many systems have I broken in the last two years? [19:26] ok ,so my memory is limited to 4GB. Can I look up how much RAM is really usable for my os in the moment? There are 4096 MB plugged in, but I have the feeling, that some of it is disabled. Virtual Box says, I only have 2.94 GB... [19:26] What OS? [19:26] righteous: Then you obviously don't know how to use slapt-get. [19:26] straterra, strictly slackware [19:26] funny thing about slapt-get. i've used it for years, still have it on the surviving slackware servers. i have yet seen slapt-get break anything [19:27] Eh? [19:27] Tirili: what OS? [19:27] Tadgy: slapt-get packages are built to any random person's setup.. better to configure to your own, or use the stock slack ones that will work with stock slack [19:27] ananke: that makes 3 of us :) [19:27] Slapt-get does *nothing* to your system itself. [19:27] It's simply a wrapper for installpkg. [19:27] So, you're basically saying installpkg broke your system. [19:27] righteous: lol [19:27] Or maybe you're not a good sys admin? :) [19:27] bingo. it's wget+pkgtool wrapper [19:28] pupiteee (~p@195.252.70.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:28] so is slackpkg, fwiw [19:28] no [19:28] Hey guys, lets go to sp.net and install software compiled with a bunch of libraries that wont be on the end-user's system so itll be broken, and then blame it on user error! [19:28] raela: slapt-get doesn't BUILD packages for you. [19:28] righteous: strawman argument [19:29] Tirili: If its a 32-bit OS..thats why. Move to a 64-bit OS to use all of your memory. [19:29] raela: So, any fool can create non-standard packs for ANY installer to use. [19:29] So how is it different? [19:29] righteous: you're blaming slapt-get for the issues with packages themselves. [19:29] Tadgy: but if they're making their own packs, they're making it based on their system [19:29] Which is NOTHING to do with slapt-get. [19:30] i use slapt-get to install my own packages :) [19:30] Show me where in the BUILD process for packs you use slapt-get. [19:30] righteous: FWIW, I have no idea how many installs you've broken in the last two years..I haven't the slightest clue who you are. [19:30] definitely some confusion as to s-g's functionality [19:30] straterra, cpunches [19:30] lol [19:30] oh, that's cpunches? [19:30] haha [19:30] (lol) [19:30] Oh [19:30] chipster: Yeah. Ignornace it seems. [19:30] i think we've been had :) [19:30] heh [19:31] ananke, dude you couldn't -tell-? lol [19:31] righteous: i don't keep up with the nick changes. and you're certainly somebody who i don't care to track [19:31] I'm still waiting to be told how other the other package downloaders/installers don't install broken packages if they are pulled from somewhere else? [19:31] They don't integrity check. [19:32] ananke, dude it was one night. i paid 'er. [19:32] eh [19:32] sorry, I was distracted.. I have Slackware64 13.0 with multilib installed. [19:32] Tadgy: other downloaders/installers? [19:33] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net expired. [19:33] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:33] Tirili: If you're running a 64-bit OS, then it should all be usable (to an extent) [19:33] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:33] You can use htop to easily see your memory usage [19:33] NaCl: The other "non slapt-get" apps mentioned. [19:34] Tirili: it's possible vbox doesn't want you to think you can allocate all 4GB of memory to the guest/guests, since that would be impossible [19:34] They are ALL just as falible if the moron who created the package didn't do it right. [19:34] TacoTacoTaco (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-wytjeylulzuugccl) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:34] So, I ask again, STATE YOUR EVIDENCE that slapt-get is worse than any of those others. [19:34] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@92.250.19.229) joined ##slackware. [19:35] (I'll assume a non-response to mean "I'm a fucktard and can't justify it, so i'll keep quiet and hope he goes away") [19:35] Tadgy, i really dont use installpkg unless it's part of a script that built something from source and built a package out of it. [19:35] there is nothing wrong with slapt-get itself [19:36] I understand that users such as yourself need it. Not my fault you can't compile. [19:36] righteous: Yet you've got the balls to claim slapt-get is broke and unreliable? [19:36] Tadgy, yes, I do. [19:36] Tadgy: i think it's safe to say the topic has been exhausted, and i doubt you'll get righteous to see the light [19:36] righteous: State your evidence. [19:36] You can't. [19:36] Tadgy, my evidence is slap-get breaking systems. [19:36] ananke: good call. [19:36] all 1 that he admins [19:36] even _I_ wouldn't bother with further arguments with him :) [19:37] righteous: Breaking YOUR systems. It doesn't seem to have that effect on others. Which would seem to suggest it you at fault, not the tools. [19:37] "A bad workman always blames his tools" [19:37] robby might take offense to that [19:37] lol [19:38] bye bye [19:38] Nehtaro (Nehtaro@unaffiliated/nehtaro) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:38] straterra: Heh :) [19:38] Well, slapt-get may encourage the use of repositories that may have broken packages. [19:39] NaCl: You can say the same about others though. [19:39] NaCl: no 3rd party repos are in the dist. rc file. [19:39] just slack, and slapt-get itself. [19:39] Mipsalawishus (~Mipsalalw@74.194.240.41) joined ##slackware. [19:39] There is nothing stopping you adding a new repo to slackpkg [19:40] Yes, there is. [19:40] NaCl: and that argument could be flipped to: lack of software X in _slackware_ encourages users to seek software from repositories that have broken packages. [19:40] Tadgy: IIRC, slackpkg can use exactly one mirror [19:40] ananke: Indeed. [19:40] ananke++ [19:40] ananke: I have been told. [19:40] NaCl: I would consider that a limitation. [19:41] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.14.112) joined ##slackware. [19:41] loool [19:41] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-93-147.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:41] well, that was easy. i fixed the mp3 playback problem by running the installer script for gnome slackbuild and it upgraded gst-plugins-ugly-0.10.12-x86_64-1gsb.txz and fixed the problem [19:41] I called it [19:41] lol [19:41] [stat1c] (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] 18:11 < chipster> maybe he realized he was missing all the gst-plugins{bad|ugly|whoreish} packages [19:42] yea, but what's strange is that i had it already installed [19:42] Action: NaCl shrugs [19:42] google started serving mainland china with uncensored content today - bets on how long before that gets nixxed [19:42] Mipsalawishus: do you feel a _tad_ bad blaming GSB when it was your fault? ;) [19:42] stranger things have happened [19:43] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: pz [19:43] [stat1c] (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:43] mancha, haha, my bets are on whats next, and i bet that we'll be seeing alot more brute-force attempts from chinese servers in our sshd logs [19:43] chipster, considering that i initially ran the installer by the book - no. i don't feel bad. not placing blame either [19:44] Mipsalawishus: Which version of GSB? [19:44] righteous: Wow, you know how to check logs. You'll be reading slapt-get documentation next. [19:45] Action: chipster goes to get a drink [19:45] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:45] Tadgy, I can't, my fat fiance keeps telling me to get off the computer. [19:45] hmm, so besides nfs3/4 and cifs, what other decent protocols do we have for shared network filesystems? [19:46] righteous: She probably wants some bum-love :) [19:46] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [19:46] Not until August. [19:46] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.86.63) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:46] ananke: Not a whole lot in Slack. And we don't even get full nfs4 :( [19:47] Tadgy, i'm running the 64bit version of 2.26.3 [19:48] Mipsalawishus: Run from the net-installer? [19:48] Tadgy, yea [19:48] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.143.108) joined ##slackware. [19:48] does that cause issues sometimes? [19:48] Mipsalawishus: Nope. [19:48] Action: chipster is the net-installer [19:49] Tadgy: i have to re-implement an older cluster in the next week or so, and i'm trying to figure out if it's worth testing something different. especially if i could find something cache coherent [19:49] heh, chipster reaches out and forces GSB onto your computer. Then he rubs you off :) [19:49] lol [19:49] haha [19:49] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:b::64ed) joined ##slackware. [19:49] i'll grow the needed anatomy to make that happen [19:50] hehe [19:50] Fuck me, a woman! [19:50] overall, i like gnome better than kde [19:50] We don't get many of them in #gsb [19:50] So he says. [19:50] lol [19:50] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [19:50] rubbin the nubbin [19:51] Flick the peanut :) [19:51] lol [19:51] ananke: does it use gigabit ethernet? [19:51] what's the rule on irc for determining if a stray woman is actually a woman? isn't the rule 'boobs or man'? [19:51] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [19:51] there is no rule, as it is impossible [19:51] well, i've got a couple of nuts that aren't peanuts [19:51] idk, boobs are hard to grow on the spot. [19:51] At the virtualbox download page I chose the AMD64 version for Linux although I have an x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5750. It is compatible to AMD64, isn't it? [19:52] Tirili: x86_64 = AMD64 [19:52] ananke: Ahh, well, NFS is pretty good in a cluster environment. My only annoyance about the Slack nfs is the lack of per user auth (in nfs4) [19:52] Tirili: it's called AMD64 because AMD invented the architecture. [19:52] ananke: I wouldn't trust CIFS for a critical environment. [19:52] yeah nfs is fine unless you have 10gb or something [19:52] Nick change: davi -> cybErpunk [19:52] I use it in critical envs. [19:52] brokedown: unfortunately, yes. only gigabit ethernet, no dedicated interconnect [19:53] Pr0n is not critical chip :) [19:53] sure it is [19:53] you mentored me [19:54] We don't call it mentoring, it's grooming these days ;) [19:54] now for the next challenge - joining slackware to a AD domain [19:54] have fun w/that [19:54] ah, thanks for the information. :) [19:54] anyone know what mod_unique_id is *actually* used for in apache? [19:55] i've done it with debian a few times [19:55] righteous: If you need to ask, you don't need it :) [19:55] l00t (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.67.216) joined ##slackware. [19:55] anyone with a clue? [19:55] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:55] i'd guess cookies [19:55] but its easy enough to look up [19:55] righteous: yes, I know what it is used for, and no, you don't need it [19:55] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4134, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-03-15 04:15:14 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [19:55] Skywise, like unique session identifiers? [19:55] yeah [19:56] It's used to create a unique identifier to track a user across your site. [19:56] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:56] adaptr, what was it to you? [19:56] sounds like a cookie [19:56] im getting the impression i might need it to log any ....'unfortunate issues'... [19:56] C is for cookie and cookie is for me! [19:56] mmmmmm [19:56] Skywise: It's a little different to a cooooookie, but a similar concept. [19:56] most log entries include the ip of the client [19:57] righteous: ask the same question in #httpd, or just shout out the directive you want to know about, or the module name [19:57] Action: thrice` steals cookie from andarius [19:57] Action: andarius gets out the tazer :( [19:57] who stole the cookie from the cookie jar? [19:57] Skywise: Tracking *users* is different to IPs in logs. Some people are behind transparant poxies (not a typeo) [19:58] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] NaCl, THE GOVERNMENT! [19:59] heh [19:59] the rice ` [19:59] he's just trying to get me to bite [19:59] nice try [19:59] Skywise, ?? you were just done swallowing [19:59] everyone knows the gov't already has plenty of cookies [20:00] the darkside always has cookies [20:00] Immundus is right, they're Ms Fields brand too, delicious [20:00] they control the slavelabor cookie plants in indonesia [20:00] dsockwell, how's vegas ? hookers charging a lot less due to the economy ? [20:01] the government will always want more cookies no matter how many they have. [20:01] andarius, that's true for everyone [20:02] yes, but they can take our cookies by making cookie donation a law :( [20:02] i miss the old days when stealing cookies was easy [20:03] psYcker (~psYcker@201.156.108.196) joined ##slackware. [20:03] andarius, there's a lot of laws we dont like.. but i think making the cookies a law, we have less fraud in the "cookiespitals" [20:03] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:03] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [20:03] the places where injured and emergency cookies go into to get repaired [20:04] you know, the keebler elves were behind the cookie mandate until one of them got taken out, so the other two are in hiding.. [20:04] Action: righteous looks at his cookie-fraud machine and weeps from the milk tank spoiling [20:04] I dont know the details about all that. what I do know is I am tired of them making cookie laws so their friend can have a govt job and get paid with my cookies [20:04] heh [20:05] look, i think we need to create some kind of anti-cookie fraud taskforce, one that just goes in like the health inspector and beats up the elves as they're looking at the paperwork for the people waiting for cookie-transplants [20:05] what a kooky conversation [20:05] heh [20:05] KBI ? [20:05] I'm not going to share my cookies, I worked hard for them. [20:06] youll have to, it will be the law :P [20:06] If people who don't have cookies need them, they should have thought about that in advance [20:06] sluttyduck (~slut@66.42.244.31) left irc: Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com ) [20:06] and I will eat all my cookies before I give them up. [20:07] dsockwell, some people can't afford to buy cookies. some of us live in america, land of the free.. where we've had old racist white elves fight for justice and equality.. all people should be able to have affordable cookies [20:07] Cookies are a privelege, not a right. It doesn't say anywhere in the constitution that I have to give my cookies to anyone else. [20:07] the right to bear cookies [20:07] it will, give it time. they like ammending [20:08] It doesn't say in the constitution that i have to click it or ticket either. [20:08] see my line above ;) [20:08] It doesn't say in the constitution that i need car insurance but when an old (and young) woman hit me while i'm driving, they need to pay up. [20:08] it's the nanny state we have let ourselves slip into [20:08] but seriously, where's the bloody retribution those tea party loons were talking about? [20:09] Mipsalawishus: yep [20:09] I live in a fairly 'blue' city with lots of 'red' folks around [20:09] the tea party's cumulative IQ is lower than the average elementary school [20:09] where are the truck bombs? [20:09] the teaparty has been highjacked by the establishment [20:09] serious question [20:09] I live in a red city - there's hookers everywhere :) [20:10] they don't agree with you so they must be stupid? [20:10] dsockwell, seriously i wouldn't doubt those 'red' people start going berserk and killing people because of this [20:10] mancha, did i say that ? [20:10] look at what they're yelling about [20:10] 17:09 < jeev> the tea party's cumulative IQ is lower than the average elementary school [20:10] i didn't say just cause they dont agree with ME [20:10] the original concept was fine, but like wolves in sheep's clothing, fake conservatives slipped in among the unsuspecting sheep [20:10] thats the underlying premise though [20:11] Action: Tadgy erghs. I don't do US politics. [20:11] no it's not, stop making assumptions [20:11] i'll admit it, there was a time when I considered going to a tea party [20:11] Tirili (opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) left ##slackware. [20:11] Action: jeev puts dsockwell on the hack list. [20:11] Tadgy, in Soviet Amerika US politics does YOU! [20:11] then two weeks later i saw some of their antics and thought better of it [20:11] Action: andarius lives in the US and doesnt do US politics. not even the hot ones :) [20:11] andarius: heh [20:11] Your country is younger than some wooden doors in my country... you shouldn't be governing yourself yet :) [20:12] where were the tea party idiots when we spent a trillion dollars on revenge of 3k people ? where were they on spending ? how come nobody was talking about paying for shit that we dont have ? [20:12] here he goes... [20:12] lol [20:12] Tadgy: :-) [20:12] Tadgy, where you from [20:12] Chaventry [20:12] United Kingdom :) [20:12] tadgy haha. true enough. however, i think it might be the longest uninterrupted working democracy in history :) [20:12] oh bah [20:12] i hate that place! [20:13] Tadgy: we have trees on our continent older than your wooden doors [20:13] i think tadgy's still sore that king george got his ass served on a platter [20:13] Tadgy, we have more idiots than you [20:13] woops, thought thatw as a good thing, having more of. [20:13] apparently not when it comes to idiots! [20:13] it's the truth though [20:13] jeev, the tea party by and large is ineffective. it was originally a grassroots effort, but then people of the likes of Sarah Palin and other neocons hijacked the movement and injected their paralyzing venom into it and quickly immobilized it [20:13] mmlj4 (~jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] yes, the palin-americans [20:14] Mipsalawishus, i have no respect for people who just started to come out against health care when they knew the war was wrong. [20:14] jeev, i agree [20:14] some people even have the audacity to say the war is still good.. [20:14] the tea party was never grass roots [20:14] you assume the war was wrong, however [20:14] wasn't it about the bailouts to begin with? [20:14] the war is wrong [20:14] one opinion versus another [20:14] the tea party was started by fox [20:14] it was produced and promoted by foxnews and still is [20:14] Delahunt, killing innocent people with no justification is good ? [20:14] everything has a beginning [20:15] im still waiting for cheaper gas [20:15] if it wasn't originated by fox news, they sure took the reins quickly [20:15] i thought liberal trolling was off-topic here [20:15] jeev, i was saying that 10 years ago when saddam gassed kurdish civilians. where were you then? [20:15] Delahunt, how about what's happening now in africa ? [20:15] jeev: Ahem, lets not forget that your country SPONSORED terrorism in northan island :) [20:15] didn't saddam gas kurds 22 years ago ? [20:15] doesn't affect me [20:15] Action: Delahunt doesn't know what's happening in africa [20:15] Delahunt, he gassed the kurds up north and the shia in the south, right? [20:15] AYN RAND [20:15] yep [20:16] Tadgy, i never said anything. i know this country sponsors all forms of terrorism, the arabs dont have a hand in anything other than dying in unhealthy ways [20:16] i guess who cares about unhealthy ways if you die [20:16] i shed party politics a long time ago. democrats and republicans are from the same cut of cloth when it comes to matters that affect them. when it comes to matters that affect the voters, we take a back seat and for the past several years, the trunk gagged and bound as we are ass raped for everything we have [20:16] Delahunt, so we went to kill saddam 15 years after he gassed the kurds, looks like we need to get better technology to catch it while it's happening [20:17] jeev, aren't you against policing the world? catching it while it's happening would be policing the world [20:17] (granted, clinton was president when this happened) [20:17] tobyl (~tobyl@host81-155-188-161.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:17] Delahunt, the world needs to be policed, by EU, cause obviously american's are too stupid [20:17] Slackware! [20:17] jeev, it's funny how all of our boogie men of the past 50 years have been former cia assets that suddenly become evil. [20:17] elbeardmorez (~elbeardmo@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:17] oh burn [20:17] any human ran corporation is going to be stupid because humans are running it [20:17] who did he burn ? [20:17] not me! he's on my side [20:18] the CIA [20:18] the UN has already demonstrated its lack of ability to remain incorruptible [20:18] Action: Mipsalawishus changes clothes and steps out for a bit [20:18] fooy (1000@125.25.94.188.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] wow, slackware64 is working nice [20:18] loook, this is how america works. we're so busy trying to figure out if we could afford to buy songs on iTUNES that we're working our asses off.. to LIVE, while most people can't set enough time aside to think for themselves what's happening here. [20:18] fooy, of course. [20:18] I'm all for the British Empire returning to keep you lot in your place :) [20:18] expecting the EU to be better than the UN or USA is faith misplaced [20:19] we need pat to break some shit in -current so we have topics for ##slackware that keep politics out of here [20:19] just because they're sticking it to Microsoft atm don't mean they won't blunder elsewhere [20:19] lol, /etc/motd, NO POLITICS IN ##SLACKWARE [20:19] we have ##slackware-offtopic but no one uses it for these discussions [20:20] every time we have an off topic area people have to beg and plead for people to use it [20:20] i can play all my old 32-bit games on slackware64 bit still... doom, rtcw, etc [20:20] Delahunt, take out your american flag and your posters, write "socialism is bad and TERRORISM IS SCARY, we need war to keep us safe".. mumbo jumbo and go outside, wave it around so the little green men could laugh at you [20:20] ok, join off topic, RIGHT NOW! [20:20] Action: Delahunt is already there 8-P [20:20] Slackware! [20:20] ok so slackware > * [20:21] I reject that [20:21] :P [20:21] ok so slackware > hemorhoids > centos/ubunti and stuff [20:21] lol [20:21] define "stuff" :) [20:22] stuff: anal rapeage [20:22] andarius, tell me what you use [20:22] Tadgy: right up your alley. pun intended. [20:22] i have a simple question... on slackware64... I have a front port e-SATA connection on my pc case, so if I just go out and buy a eSata external hard drive or some sort of dock, it will just plug into and work just like USB does (i have that on front panel too and it works perfect) ? [20:22] that is dome pretty brutal "stuff". consider me on the side of jeev :) [20:22] chipster: Only with lube. Tearing takes ages to heal :/ [20:22] fooy: I don't see why not. [20:23] jeev: my desktop is crux, my server is slackware. my firewall endian other machines bounce around but are not in use all the time. [20:23] fooy: you need something to power the drive [20:23] Well..an enclosure for esata [20:23] fooy: as long as your sata controller is supported, yes. [20:23] fooy: It depends if the connection is hot-plug or not. If the BIOS doesn't hot-plug it, it'll have to be plugged in when you boot. [20:24] Tadgy: its not up to the BIOS [20:24] what the hell is crux [20:24] It's up the controller and OS [20:24] oh, ok... just power the drive, like in a HDD dock or external chassis, and then plug the data in to the eSATA... then udev or whatever magic it is will make a device file ? [20:24] Yup [20:24] It'll look like an internal SATA/SCSI device [20:24] fooy: yep. it's really nothing more than a SATA connection, it just happens to be 'external' [20:25] i have ahci BIOS... i think it supports hot plug... Intel 3420 xeon bios, server board [20:25] which extends to: don't unplug it at random :) [20:25] SATA is *still* ATA - not many controllers are ATA hot-plug. Hence why the BIOS does HDD detection. [20:26] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:26] sweet, i think i'm all set to try that esata later then... i guess some of you are using it already? [20:27] fooy: yes. [20:27] I use RLL and MFM drives [20:27] I wouldn't just go plugging a drive in. I'd check docs and research online first. [20:27] Unless it is proper ATA hot-plug, the system is *not* going to like you altering the ATA bus by shoving a new disk in there. [20:28] Action: andarius hasnt had any issues :| [20:28] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [20:28] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:29] hm... I was thinking of buying an external SATA chassis, one of those things that has a backplane the drive slides into, and the box provides power too when you slide it in... then the box connects to the eSATA port, the box has it's own power supply unit i guess [20:29] box provides power too when you slide it in [20:29] heh [20:30] Yup [20:30] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: :q! [20:30] fooy: you should be fine [20:30] Most SATA controllers these days tend to work fine with hotplugging [20:30] great :) i was nervous about this new tech [20:31] eSATA is far from new [20:31] new for me [20:31] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:31] well, in that case, no worries you should be fine ;) [20:31] acidtripper (~gonza@190.193.21.179) joined ##slackware. [20:31] thumbs, http://sweet.nodns4.us/pc-merlin_csc.html [20:31] hi [20:31] ^ is this real? [20:31] ello [20:31] guys someone there can give me a hand configuring intel kms [20:32] righteous: pardon me? [20:32] thumbs, i said is that event real? [20:32] acidtripper, sure, but is it really that hard? just turn it on :) [20:32] righteous: yes, the user said that. [20:32] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] i have enabled it on kernel and set in grub i915.modeset=1 [20:32] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:32] thumbs, ok. I will never use #httpd again and I will encourage others to do the same. You were wrong. [20:33] righteous: pardon me? [20:33] i just upgraded from slackware 32-bit that still had KDE 3.5.10 (slackware 12 or 13.0, not sure)... but this slackware64-current with KDE 4 is a significant upgrade [20:33] Especially considering my experience there just a little while ago. [20:33] but the mode isn't the one i want [20:33] righteous: you think DrBacchus was trying to bait you? [20:33] righteous: he is the MOST patient person I have ever met. He was genuinely trying to help you. [20:34] righteous: I'm sorry you couldn't see that, but you were sadly mistaken not to listen to him. [20:34] acidtripper, why compile them as a module? just build i915 and the drm support INTO the kernel, remove your line from grub, and reboot :> [20:34] No I don't, but between the bad communicators, the provocative nature of the channel in general, and from reading that poor excuse of helping people, I don't think anyone should ever be exposed to your channel, and I certainly won't either. [20:34] Mipsalawishus (~Mipsalalw@74.194.240.41) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:34] only as module? [20:34] righteous: you caught adaptr on a bad day. [20:35] thrice`: and set vesafb? [20:35] acidtripper, yes, why as a module? [20:35] The nature of the channel itself is bordering on volatile and you owe that guy in that link a serious apology. [20:35] acidtripper, no, remove your framebuffer stuff, it's not used [20:35] i was pleased that the install went to easily, i had no problems... my hardware was very well supported by the installation, except that I had to get a patched nvidia driver to work with 2.6.33.1 kernel... other wise the desktop came up and is perfect... I don't need to change anything really [20:36] righteous: I'm glad you think that. I'm sorry i wasted time on trying to help you, then. [20:36] thrice`: intel mode setting can onlty be set as built in [20:36] i upgraded to 2.6.33 kernel and intel drivers [20:36] it CAN be a module, but you'll need to tell it to start mode-setting in /etc/modprobe.d/ or so [20:37] it doesn't make sense to make it a module, though [20:37] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:37] thumbs, im not discussing it anymore, its accumulated observations over a couple years; that channel is unproductive and i'd have found my answer had i not been able to join it for some reason. [20:38] righteous: you're welcome to your own opinions. [20:38] not seeing alot of expert advice. seeing experts, but unwilling communicators. [20:38] righteous: however, I doubt the admins of THIS channel will appreciate your banter here. [20:38] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:38] alienBOB's multilib installation was very helpful to me [20:38] righteous may I query? [20:38] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [20:39] Immundus, you may, sir! query away! [20:39] Anyone ever saw a server crash because a network cable was disconnected? It's the second time this happened to me and I can't find anything in the usual logs... [20:39] niels_horn, lol what network driver are you using? [20:39] niels_horn: sure [20:39] Server is Slackware 13.0-stable, running a firewall, squid, and some other standard things... [20:39] Buggy hardware/driver [20:40] righteous: tulip (2x) [20:40] Try using an Intel based card..Intel Pros are cheap these days [20:40] thumbs, btw: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#rlimitmem | http://sweet.nodns4.us/pc-merlin_csc.html [20:40] straterra: yeah... guess I need to invest in newer card... these are like a decade old :D [20:40] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [20:40] hehe [20:41] I got some 3c515's you can use! [20:41] righteous: no in his case, no. [20:41] righteous: do you know what that directive applies to, exactly? [20:42] Ratrophy: unless you live in Rio de Janeiro, mailing them will probably be more expensive than two new cards here :) [20:42] ok [20:42] I could just send them with a shipment of drugs! [20:42] free! [20:43] Yeah..trade you some cocaine for a few NICs [20:43] Action: andarius is reading those two links and detects made reader fail... [20:43] hehe no, ya put them on a plane destined to there [20:43] no trade involved [20:43] thumbs: I will wager not [20:43] andarius: rather not what? [20:43] ah well, yep hopefully ya can find some decent ethernet controllers there [20:44] that he knows what the directive applies to [20:44] andarius: ah, good call. [20:45] Ratrophy: after the latest avalanches of the US Dollar, buying imported products became cheap here. [20:45] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:45] yep, buy cheap sell elsewhere! [20:45] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:46] righteous: may I query? [20:46] andarius: the proper answer is: [20:46] query lightly traveler [20:46] andarius: the child processes, with memory leaks, will keep growing. [20:47] andarius: the only reliable way to prevent them from balooning is to fix the leaks, or set MaxRequestsPerChild to a low number. [20:47] lol [20:47] andarius: RLimitMem will not help much. [20:47] http://twitter.com/frank_gingras/status/5990240401 [20:47] thumbs: it all makes sense to me :) [20:48] http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/core.html#MaxRequestsPerChild [20:48] righteous: you're exhibiting quite a bit of immaturity at the moment, for the record. [20:48] righteous: I suggest you stop. [20:48] yeah, but i dont admin a support channel and then abuse the troubled users it attracts [20:48] righteous: again, this is not the appropriate channel to discuss this. [20:49] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:b::64ed) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:49] idiots? [20:49] it's not in discussion, i already said i will not be using #httpd and I will be referring users to similar channels on other networks. [20:49] nice status [20:49] (specifically stating to avoid yours of course) [20:50] righteous: shall I require moderation for this channel as well? That's enough. [20:50] ^ bully [20:50] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:52] ahh the sillyness is over whelming [20:53] Tadgy (tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) left ##slackware. [20:56] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-63-131-54-26.pit.onecommunications.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:02] andarius: I'm exposed to it daily - you get used to it. [21:03] thumbs: I am sure. 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[22:19] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:22] heya MLanden, how's it going? [22:22] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [22:23] good for the night,fire|bird thanks ... you? [22:23] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:24] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) joined ##slackware. [22:25] MLanden: I'm great, thanks. [22:26] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:29] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [22:32] fire|bird: that version of OpenSUSE that you're usin'? what version is xorg-server? [22:32] MLanden: Hmm, let me check, xec. [22:32] err, s/xec/sec/ [22:34] MLanden: Version: 7.4-61.63.1 [22:35] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:36] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [22:37] fire|bird, ok...was tryin' to build wine 1.1.41 earlier..but with the changes to the direct3d calls,looks like one would need the newer xorg-server(illegal calls to the 1.6.3 version) [22:38] Ah [22:38] 1.1.40 builds on slackware 12.2 [22:38] not that that helps. [22:38] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:39] XGizzmo, thanks...usin' 1.1.39 with no problems...just tinkerin' [22:40] pi31415 (ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [22:43] botnet (1000@c-24-19-76-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:43] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:44] in order to get multi-lib on 64bit slack, i need to the entire slackware 32bit tree, right? [22:45] no - there's a multilib setup by alienBOB, but there's some extra steps to get multilib properly setup [22:46] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib [22:47] yeah thats what im following, and it says you must ahbe a 32-bt salcware package tree available [22:47] anyone know a script that still works to dload hulu videos [22:48] so im currently downloading the entire tree, but i see it only produces 60mb of files, after running thr massconvert.sh script, so im wondering why i need to download several gigabytes of data to produce only 60 mb [22:50] i am unfamilar with massconvert but there is probably fields in the script that specify which directory's to include/exclude [22:50] or atleast there should be [22:50] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:51] i havent gotten to that part yet as im still downloading all the packages [22:52] shouldn't you be asking your botnet controller these questions? [22:54] lol [22:54] the botnet just echoes my requests back 9001 times [22:54] subvhome (~substance@ool-43530490.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [22:54] does anyone know what i got to do to get this going on my linux device: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/at76c50x-usb [22:56] davi (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [22:58] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:59] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [23:01] so, how can I get awk to print " " not ""? [23:02] add a space in the print [23:02] awk '{print $1 $2}'? [23:02] subvhome, i dont know that device but building those drivers are no different to anything else [23:03] no [23:03] space has to be quoted too [23:03] '{print $1" "$7}' [23:04] oobe: i guess i'm just confused with the what to do. Its an old device.. OQO Model 01 (UMPC) i finally got linux installed with a new HDD (zif), However, lilo isn't working for some reason. [23:04] or whatever the tokens are [23:04] mancha: just guessed that, thanks [23:04] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] cool. [23:04] hba (~hba@148.208.237.253) joined ##slackware. [23:05] NaCl, '{ print $1 " " $2 }' [23:05] oh soo i just have to get mac80211 on there and that should be included? [23:05] hba (~hba@148.208.237.253) left irc: Client Quit [23:05] that meaning the driver specific to my device. [23:06] Action: NaCl is trying to find which package is taking up the most space on his desktop [23:06] Gr1nch (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [23:07] emacs [23:08] guilhermebaratto (~guilherme@189.34.119.85) joined ##slackware. [23:09] subvhome, mac80211 not specific to your device its a geniric module for wireless that your real driver should load automatically [23:11] subvhome, it eppears your device has very little support if any http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers [23:12] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [23:13] subvhome, you need to download the wireless-testing tree read the instuctions build it then install the firmware here http://www.thekelleys.org.uk/atmel/ [23:13] the driver will work but only in wireless-b mode which is pretty ancient [23:13] some access points wont allow a device that slow on [23:13] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Kiboney [23:15] subvhome, http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Documentation/git-guide#Cloning_latest_wireless-testing [23:15] that is how you download wireless testing [23:15] there will be instructions on how to build in the README [23:15] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:16] sQuEE (~narya@201.252.25.192) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:16] NaCl: " grep UNCOMPRESSED * | awk -F: '{ print $1 $3 }' | sort -nk 2 " <-- something among those lines should do it. [23:16] My solution is probably not nearly that elegant [23:17] look at the output first before you mention things like "elegant" ;) [23:17] " grep UNCOMPRESSED /var/log/packages/* | awk '{print $4" "$1}' | sed "s/:UNCOMPRESSED//" | sort -rn " [23:17] That gives SIZE PACKAGE [23:18] sQuEE (~narya@201.252.25.192) joined ##slackware. [23:18] Not sure if that sed call could be avoided or not [23:19] well yes " grep UNCOMPRESSED /var/log/packages/* | awk -F: '{ print $1 "\t" $NF }' " [23:20] Action: NaCl has not had to do much AWK-foo [23:20] with awk .. -F specifies the field seperator. so instead of selecting whitespace it now uses the colon. $NF is the last field of the record you're processing [which in this case is the size. [23:21] http://fukung.net/v/5486/msfirewalltd3.jpg [23:21] djkk (~djkk@120.203.30.100) joined ##slackware. [23:22] djkk (djkk@120.203.30.100) left ##slackware ("‚»"). [23:22] now how to get rid of that leading whitespace... [23:23] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:24] google says sed [23:24] so, that is what google sed? [23:24] it sed sed [23:25] s/^\ // ? [23:25] s/^ *// [23:27] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-78-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:28] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] guilhermebaratto (~guilherme@189.34.119.85) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:31] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@92.250.27.95) left irc: Quit: Saindo [23:36] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:38] s/sed/vomited/ [23:40] oops s/s/vomit/3 [23:41] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.62.142) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:41] oobe, looks too clean.... http://omploader.org/vM3g1dQ lol [23:44] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:46] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:48] http://fukung.net/v/6647/whoami0.jpg [23:48] lol [23:49] Heh. [23:53] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:54] MLanden, did you just do that in gimp or such [23:55] nice work [23:55] oobe, yeah...just a quick copy and paste then blend it in to the background [23:56] im hopeless with gimp [23:57] i sent it to http://fukung.net/contribute [23:57] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-219-51.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:00] --- Tue Mar 23 2010