[00:01] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.199.198) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [00:03] sleep is for the weak [00:04] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:04] thrice`: I get this with tovid from svn: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13942 [00:04] wb yet again Old_Fogie, :P [00:04] firebird619, :) [00:04] Old_Fogie: I get this with tovid from svn: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13942 [00:07] ok [00:07] tovid just isn't meant to be I guess. :P [00:07] I've no idea [00:07] that's an error you get when you launch it ? [00:07] yeah [00:07] dunno [00:08] Whoa, strace of pcmanfm is showing Permission Denied and Operation Not Permitted errors. [00:08] firebird619, its trying to call some binary that is not installed, probably missing a dep [00:08] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:09] firebird619, have you segfaulted at all today, rebooted, etc. I mean four builds are bad for four diff apps [00:09] maybe your memory needs a flush or something [00:09] I haven't rebooted today at all, no. [00:09] I wonder if that coputer of yours didnt fart, and it's just some mayham or something [00:11] edman007: yeah, probably. I tried svn because the latest stable was complaining about wxPython 2.6 and I have 2.8. :P [00:11] cuz I've had kde crash, and zapped X, made sure all processes were closed, and the only thing that fixed it was a reboot [00:11] it doesnt make sense, these are apps that should be working for you, I mean the scripts are from SBo ya know [00:11] Old_Fogie: yeah, I'll maybe have to reboot and see if that helps at all. Something isn't right, I've never had all this trouble. :P [00:12] You'd think I was using XP or Ubuntu or something. :P [00:12] firebird619, yea [00:12] but like I said, I had kde do strange things to be before, and rebooting was really the only fix [00:12] who knows [00:12] Channel flood from Old_Fogie -- kicking [00:12] albeit, not very common but it didnt happen a handful of times on me. [00:12] Ah, I think I figured this tovid issue out with svn. [00:12] Had 3 wisdom teeth pulled today [00:12] OUCH [00:12] Action: firebird619 feels the pain. [00:12] :P [00:12] juice, a real man would have had 4 pulled out in one day :) [00:12] top 2 don't hurt the bottom one does [00:12] haha [00:12] i had 1 pulled 7 years ago [00:12] Action: Old_Fogie pulls his finger [00:12] Old_Fogie kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [00:13] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:13] now that was a neet trick [00:13] Old_Fogie: Looks like maybe my mistake with this tovid svn. I got the svn, it has metagui, pydvdauthor, and tovid. I went to tovid, the one with with the ./configure, etc. and the cli.py that tovid's looking for is in metagui. [00:13] now that was a neet trick [00:13] Old_Fogie: haha [00:13] wth! I pull my finger and I got kicked! kiss this slackboy ! :) [00:13] slackboy needs some fixin' [00:13] haha [00:13] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [00:13] I better not see that on the farm :) [00:14] ever since unixfool worked on it, slackboy's been acting strange. [00:15] In Front page news today, Old_Fogie pulls his finger and gets kicked. [00:15] hahah [00:15] that's the second time he booted me today too [00:15] Old_Fogie: don't worry, I only submitted that story to the Buffalo News. :P [00:15] haha [00:16] Not as many buffalo can read either. [00:16] Buffalo, NY caoliver [00:16] Well, brb, gonna restart and hope it does some magic. [00:16] I figured. [00:17] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("brb"). [00:17] Old_Fogie, too much talking, you are hurting his ears [00:17] miguelrios (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) joined ##slackware. [00:18] Action: Old_Fogie pulls his finger in edman007's room [00:19] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:19] that'll fix ya [00:19] :) [00:19] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:20] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:20] :( [00:22] :( [00:22] That's a might strong finger. Watch where you point (errr pull) it. [00:22] Old_Fogie: That didn't help. pcmanfm still won't work. I'll try something with tovid here, and who knows about anything else. [00:22] slackboy, kick Old_Fogie ! [00:22] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-30-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] Action: Old_Fogie puts his thumb to his nose, with fingers wavering in the air at slackboy and says "catch me if you can!" [00:22] hahaha [00:22] lol [00:22] Old_Fogie, drinking? [00:22] no but I should be [00:22] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] well i need beer too [00:22] Oh man, if he's this way sober, wait'll he gets drunk. :P [00:22] gotta be up early tho, so booze is outta the question [00:22] Sounds like a plan, but I already had a stout. [00:23] Old_Fogie, like noon? [00:23] have you guys seen episode two at thewebsiteisdown.com ? [00:23] firebird619, be glad there's no voice chat on here, cuz I'm like chatty kathy [00:23] even when I drink [00:23] ... not as good as the first, but still pretty funny :) [00:23] or specially when I do [00:23] Action: Old_Fogie pulls his finger again [00:23] lol [00:23] Old_Fogie: Well, I guess this fail train is still going, uncontrolably I might add. [00:23] hahaha, see he didnt kick me this time, he knows better [00:24] firebird619, yea probably best to give it a rest for tonight, give it a go tomorrow. [00:25] Eh, I'll be up about 3-4 hours yet, gotta have something to do. :P [00:25] [ in bed ] [00:26] It's only 00:24. [00:26] You know that feeling you get when you are tipping your chair back and you almost go crashing back on the floor but you just catch yourself? I feel like that all the time. --Stephen Wright [00:26] fortune ^^^ [00:28] caoliver: It's 23:25 here. :) [00:28] ever see his face? looks like he did [00:28] haha [00:28] -600. [00:28] like he was beat with a bag of nickels [00:28] ouch [00:28] Indeed. [00:28] talk about being nickeled and dimed. :P [00:28] :) [00:28] Groan. [00:28] lol, I opened a terminal and got another -Stephen Wright quote. :P [00:28] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:28] Nick change: agris2 -> agris [00:29] ever since Mr.V 's sedistic quotes got me with "your computer will restart in 5...4...3" I now "chmod -x /etc/profile.d/bsd*" upon first root login after installation. [00:29] I once took a cab to a drive-in movie. The movie cost me $95. -- Steven Wright [00:29] lol [00:29] hiptobecubic (n=john@68.143.173.73.nw.nuvox.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:29] oh man, I fail again, it isn't stephen, it's steven. [00:29] Channel flood from firebird619 -- kicking [00:29] Action: firebird619 gives up. :( [00:29] anyone know how to run an X.Org screensaver in Windoze XP? I want to send one to my friend (who is too afraid to use linux...) [00:30] nv4Phil, tell him the best way to cure a phobia is to face it [00:30] as if sending an .scr is safe via email? that person's idea of security is warped [00:32] "Hi run my screensaver! get free pron daily!" :) [00:32] come to think of it, that's the required response by a win user [00:32] Hmm, that wasn't my tovid problem. Well, that's still broke I guess. [00:32] Old_Fogie: careful, that's three lines, you might get kicked again. :P [00:32] firebird619, sounds like your box has some issues. You sure you building on a clean box? [00:32] yeah, clean as a wistle to my knowledge. :D [00:32] and it's fully installed? no "I used to use gentoo, I know more than you so I run a minimal box to dev on" [00:32] yeah, fully installed. [00:32] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) joined ##slackware. [00:32] firebird619 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [00:32] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:32] Old_Fogie: are the X/KDE screensavers .scr's also? [00:32] lol [00:32] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:33] what the heck??? [00:33] firebird619, <-------------hahah [00:33] Old_Fogie: where are they located? [00:33] slackboy is INSANE. [00:33] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:33] Nick change: pizdets -> pizzledizzle [00:33] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:33] nv4Phil, less /var/log/packages/xscreensaver(tab key) [00:33] Some line counter not getting reset? [00:33] thanks Old_Fogie [00:34] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "..." [00:34] Old_Fogie: stop laughing, I do not find humility in what just happened. :P [00:34] Action: Old_Fogie pulls his finger again :) [00:34] slackboy's on a power trip. :P [00:34] nv4Phil, there are some that come with one of the kde's too [00:34] firebird619, face it, you fl00d [00:34] What's slackboy coded in? [00:34] you troll [00:34] lol edman007 [00:34] slackboy likes me, i'm kool [00:34] caoliver: fail. :P [00:36] a new language that doesn't work well obviously. :P [00:36] edman007: yeah, just wait, your times coming. :) [00:36] I try not to write in fail very often. [00:36] caoliver: and for good reason I would assume. :P [00:36] caoliver, nah, slackboy lags, whoever hosts him is slow [00:36] Why did slackboy kick me, I didn't flood. [00:36] someone needs to reboot the palm pilot that slackboy is running off of [00:36] lol [00:36] :-D [00:38] Action: Old_Fogie puts his thumb to his nose, with fingers wavering in the air at slackboy and says "catch me if you can!" [00:38] Maybe slackboy's running on a Commodore 64. :P [00:38] ,8,1 [00:38] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:38] a Commodore 64 was my first computer. :D [00:40] miguelrios (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) left irc: "Saliendo" [00:40] does linux run on them at all? was it ever ported? [00:40] stealth-_ (n=stealth@66.183.233.184) joined ##slackware. [00:40] First I programmed was a PDP11/34. [00:40] I'm not sure. That'd be cool if it was. [00:40] stealth- (n=stealth@unaffiliated/stealth-) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:40] firebird619, nope, he was recently upgraded to an abacus to save power and be "green" [00:40] my first computer was a Mac Plus [00:40] plus what? [00:40] First owned was a very juryrigged Amiga. [00:40] edman007: lol, in this case, that doesn't compute, and if it does, it's getting the wrong answer. :P [00:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_Plus mine had two SCSI floppies, a removable 40MB drive, 4MB ram, and an 8Mhz 68k CPU [00:41] so edman007 , a _month_ without a pc? how will you survive? [00:41] ule (n=somebody@unaffiliated/ule) joined ##slackware. [00:41] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:41] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [00:41] Old_Fogie, i'm bringing my laptop.... [00:41] hahaha I thought so :) [00:42] edman007, wow look at the size of that thing :) [00:43] man them mac's, them were the days huh. I remember those. [00:43] Old_Fogie, i know, and it was older than me! [00:43] and actually, i still got it...somewhere [00:43] I tell ya tho, at that time, windows was far behind [00:44] yea, big screen "9-inch 512 by 342 pixel monochrome display", oh yea [00:44] and i played reader rabbit! [00:45] I remember the SEs well. Played a bit with Think C on them. [00:47] skypce (n=skypce@pc-177-7-44-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [00:47] thebigh (n=herbert@adsl-99-39-21-139.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:49] ¡hola! [00:49] hola [00:49] marchhare (n=marchhar@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:49] Action: edman007 waves [00:49] in ENGLISH! [00:49] Wave! [00:49] lol [00:49] Hey Rat409 [00:49] hmm, anyone have an openvpn slackbuild? [00:49] a little question, how install kde 3.1 to my old slackware 9, i only found information for slackware 12.1 please [00:50] oh...i can't find one because its in slack already... [00:50] Action: edman007 blames Old_Fogie for being old [00:50] lol [00:50] I was gonn say it's in the distro, but snap! [00:50] eww... wrinkles [00:51] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:51] Action: Old_Fogie passes the multivitamins to edman007 [00:51] centrum silver anyone :) [00:51] here! [00:51] Old_Fogie: ah, is that your secret, multivitamins. :P [00:51] ¿Vitaminas? Multi-culturales? [00:52] lol [00:52] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [00:53] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@190.149.84.241) joined ##slackware. [00:54] Multi-culturales? <--? [00:55] err... get it [00:55] spanish... multi-cultural... [00:55] nope [00:55] err [00:55] Nick change: Old_Fogie -> Oldway_Ogiefay [00:55] I installed slackware64 yesterday, but I'm left feeling empyt [00:55] lol [00:56] thebigh, http://tinyurl.com/pkm3e4 [00:56] YES! [00:56] lol, at hostgator we used to send each other stuff like that all day long [00:57] ahh, how I don't miss those days [00:57] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [00:57] is this possible: i have one computer running x with mplayer on. i want to ssh into that computer and change the file that mplayer is playing [00:59] ule (n=somebody@unaffiliated/ule) left irc: "Leaving" [01:00] pizzledizzle, yes [01:00] have you tried it? [01:00] edman007, how? what can i google? [01:01] ivan8013_ (n=slKIvs@190.149.84.241) joined ##slackware. [01:01] Oldway_Ogiefay (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "("brb")" [01:02] uhh...type mplayer to run it? [01:02] I believe that he may get the "no display device" problem [01:03] not for audio.... [01:03] shouldn't even look for a display for audio files [01:03] but he didn't say audio [01:03] or changing tracks, sending commands, etc [01:03] stealth-_ (n=stealth@66.183.233.184) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:03] i want to switch episodes on my media tv from my bed with laptop [01:03] im too lazy to get up [01:04] ... [01:04] i'd rather ssh into the box and change the channel some how [01:04] do you know python? [01:04] no [01:04] skypce (n=skypce@pc-177-7-44-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:05] isnt there a way to open programs into X server that is already up and running from another terminal? [01:05] pizzledizzle, yea, i think you can do it, but i don't know the command.. [01:05] oh... well I have a script that does that, but with music, it uses mplayer as the backend but the controls are piped to a file [01:05] ask the mplayer people [01:05] lol [01:06] you can just export your DISPLAY to the host box anyways [01:06] ssh in, do `export DISPLAY=:0.0` and it should work... [01:06] chrisjomarmayor (n=chrisjom@122.55.120.214) joined ##slackware. [01:06] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:07] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [01:07] Nick change: chrisjomarmayor -> sniper_wolf [01:07] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.9.181) joined ##slackware. [01:08] I'm having problem playing videos from cd and dvd, watching movies from websites works properly. But when I wathc from my dvd or cd the video blinks from time to time and its really annoying [01:08] are you enabling cache? [01:09] yea, bump up the cache [01:09] like mplayer dvd://1 -cache 8192 [01:09] Old_Fogie: add VBox to the list of FAIL. :( [01:09] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [01:09] I'm sorry slack is my 1st distro [01:10] firebird619, and that too is from SBo? [01:10] but I tried to do some modifications in xorg.conf nothing solve the problem [01:12] Old_Fogie: no, that's from virtualbox.org, closed-source [01:12] my video card is ati [01:12] what happens if you dump the video to the HD first? [01:12] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [01:12] haven't tried that... but sometimes I get error too many video packets to buffer [01:14] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:14] Old_Fogie: There has to be something going on with this box. VBox, for example, worked great last night. Nothing's changed since then. [01:14] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [01:14] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.99.73) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:14] dchmelik1 (n=d@dynamic-66-243-235-160.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [01:14] Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:14] ¡hola! [01:14] firebird619, sounds like your box is having some real issues [01:14] no doubt. [01:14] Nick change: Fogie -> Oldway_Ogiefay [01:14] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] yeah you may wanna try and build something that came with slack for the heck of it, and even see if that works [01:15] any certain thing you suggest to build? [01:15] tried to dump it on my HD but nothing changes [01:18] the videos play but stil it blinks [01:18] anyone got the Slackware64 going yet? [01:18] maybe the ATI people know [01:18] yea [01:18] Action: thebigh hugs new slack64 system [01:18] firebird619, well I wouldnt do KDE :) [01:18] anyone tried SBopkg on it? [01:18] sniper_wolf: which driver are you using for your card? [01:18] Oldway_Ogiefay: lol [01:18] but something like oh I dont know, gqview [01:18] sniper_wolf (n=chrisjom@122.55.120.214) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:18] well fine then [01:18] just to see if you can get something to build [01:18] k, I'll try that and see what happens. I'm re-backing stuff up right now in the off chance I need to take drastic measures. :P [01:18] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:18] Hi antiwire, how's it going? [01:18] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@190.149.84.241) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:18] firebird619, grab /etc for sure :) [01:21] i'm good [01:21] Oldway_Ogiefay: heh, yeah. [01:21] my buddy wrecked his truck today though, he went to turn left through an intersection and someone ran the opposite red light [01:21] Is he alright? [01:21] hey that happened to me and my nice car [01:21] yeah he is just a little sore but the truck is toast [01:21] never bought another decent car, whats the point of having anything nice when other people ruin it for you [01:21] like a T-bone accident? or head on from other direction antiwire ? [01:21] sounded like the on coming car hit his passenger side front end [01:21] Nick change: dchmelik1 -> dchmelik [01:21] hit on the corner of the bumper? if so that's the worst spot to get hit, that angle is just bad, real bad. [01:25] well, one of the worst spots [01:25] Like the old saying goes "You have to drive for the other guy, you know what you're doing" [01:25] err [01:25] a bunch of us are going camping this weekend so I'm going to redistribute some of the gear into my truck now [01:25] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:25] damn it we're going camping, crash or not [01:25] have a good time camping. :) [01:25] LIke the old joke: guy on a road test blows thru a red light, instructor says "hey what r you doing?" the driver says "my brother drives like this"...this goes on and on, and finally they come to a green light, and the driver _stops_ the car and the instructor says "Why on earth did you stop!" to which the driver says "My brother might be coming" :) [01:25] i think some possible rivalry among slamd64, bluewhite64 and slackware64 [01:27] trolll!!!!! [01:27] eh! [01:27] "rivalry" ? Slackware is official Slackware, others are not (tho we like mr.fred here :) [01:27] Yeah, there might be some rivalry between vi, elvis and vim as well [01:27] official port of slackware for amd64 "was" slamd64, later bluewhite64 and now slackware64. [01:27] umm no [01:27] maxote, slamd was _never_ official. [01:27] Action: edman007 slaps mr oldie [01:27] edman007, ? [01:27] i think its your nick [01:27] morning. [01:27] morning stybla [01:27] ¡hola! [01:28] edman007, :) [01:28] firebird619: evening :) [01:28] Action: Motoko-chan nods at Oldway_Ogiefay's comment [01:28] stybla: how are you? [01:28] Slamd64, while noted, was never official. [01:28] firebird619: still a bit sleepy, and you? [01:28] doing great, thanks. [01:28] good :) [01:28] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:28] the announce was very cordial to the 64bit forks I thought. [01:28] and who knows where we'd be without bluewhite64 [01:28] Action: Motoko-chan noticed [01:28] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427151.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:28] Besides, Slamd64 is multi-lib. [01:30] Slackware64 will not be. [01:30] each has differences [01:30] ... [01:30] Like what I just said [01:30] Oldway_Ogiefay: If VBox would have worked, I was going to try building tovid on my slack 12.2 vm to see if it worked, but that doesn't work now either. [01:30] Which is kinda a big difference. [01:30] ...and what's the best choice? [01:30] maxote: so where is this going? [01:30] Ahh, k3b just crashed. great. [01:30] stybla, the one that works best for you? [01:30] firebird619, quit while you're ahead for the night :) [01:30] whatever pat decides is best for me [01:32] antiwire, going to the question of stybla [01:32] I would, but I'm not ahead anymore, I'm behind. [01:32] firebird619: just use growisofs from cmdline ;) [01:32] maxote: haha, yeah, i'm pretty sure i've just turned suspect around here :P [01:32] stybla: yeah, I'll have to. I like cli tools and use that for burning mostly, but just opened k3b to do it this time I guess. :P [01:32] Action: Motoko-chan is not ashamed to admit to using Mandriva for desktop use [01:32] * firebird619 is now known as failbird619 [01:32] Oldway_Ogiefay: If you hear a loud noise, it's just my pc *accidently* falling to the floor. :P [01:32] Action: Oldway_Ogiefay pats Motoko-chan on back, "there there" [01:32] Nick change: firebird619 -> failbird619 [01:32] a) slamd64 b) bluewhite64 c) slackware64 <--- which OS pick for my x86-64 platform? it injures my head. [01:32] anshulk (n=chatzill@210.18.173.48) joined ##slackware. [01:32] Motoko-chan: that's hard to say. i'd rather to hear before finding out by myself (and wasting precious time). [01:32] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [01:32] maxote, the one that works best for you, but not bluewhite [01:32] why? [01:32] BW64 violated the terms of other projects [01:32] failbird619: :) i'm always using it. i don't know why i've never tried k3b, or pretty much anything else. [01:32] thebigh, cuz they rip off fred's work, and rip off slackware for verbiage in changelogs half the time. the guy dont even have the nerve to write his own release announcments a good amount of times. [01:32] maxote: you may want to ask fred on that, his post on slashdot suggests the slackware-64 port is a good thing [01:32] i will try it [01:32] so he's a little sloppy [01:32] stybla: In most cases, the cli tools just work better, and in some cases give more output if something goes wrong. :) [01:32] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:32] Action: stybla scratches BW64 out of the list just because of the cause [01:34] if there is some dirt on slamd64, please, don't say it ;( :) [01:34] BW64 was made by rumanians, they are good. [01:34] at least you see Fred's name in the changelog's of Slackware proper, cuz he contrib's back to the project (unlike so many other forks) [01:34] aww... I wanna contribute [01:34] maxote: ...... good at stealing stuff you mean? [01:34] Action: Motoko-chan has also been mentioned in the changelogs a few times [01:34] i don't know if rumanians are robbers or not. [01:34] BW64 is pretty good as a distro [01:34] Motoko-chan, I submit anonymous the way I like it :) [01:34] you mean, rubbers [01:34] Oldway_Ogiefay: alright, I'm going to try gqview. [01:35] Why are some people soooo against it? [01:35] maxote, there were some posts showing how the BW64 people lied and stole credit [01:35] failbird619, yeah if you cant even build that, you're looking at a the easiest solution, reload imo. [01:36] BW64 is a ripoff [01:36] Motoko-chan: Any links to any such stuff? [01:36] anshulk: because basically they took slamd64, applied sed to get rid of copyrights, then released it as "BW? [01:36] Isn't gqview in the distro though? [01:36] just dont' say bluewhite too many times, or we'll get Dominian on a rampage, and he has to work tomorrow :) [01:36] BP{k}: And they claim nothing else [01:36] caoliver: yes, it is (now). [01:36] well all is fine now, since he'll have to give up now he's been outdated [01:36] http://www.bluewhite64.com/general-info.html [01:36] BP{k}, shouldn't you be off drinking somewhere ? :) wothchers! [01:36] anshulk: When someone initially creates something and then releases that work to the public with the stipulation that credit is given were credit is due, it is only fair that the request of the original author be fulfilled [01:36] "This project was started in May 2006 and was built from Slackware -current sources using the existing 64-bit multilib toolchain from the Slamd64 Linux (thanks Fred!) to create a new 64-bit non-multilib toolchain in order to build the rest of the programs." -- from BW64 info page [01:36] caoliver, yea he's trying to see if his box is borked. [01:36] thanks fred! [01:36] anshulk: you're not very familiar with what you are speaking of [01:37] antiwire, do you know the credit law in Rumania? [01:37] anshulk, not handy. [01:37] anshulk: you're pretty new around these parts, aren't you? [01:37] Dominian has some links handty [01:37] handy [01:37] Yep [01:37] Action: Motoko-chan doesn't want to dig through logs [01:37] maxote: it's Romania. [01:37] I am new here [01:37] Action: Oldway_Ogiefay passes Motoko-chan a shovel [01:37] where do you modify manpath to add a dir globally [01:37] hey, he's makin an honest living [01:37] Borked how? [01:37] Action: Motoko-chan smacks Oldway_Ogiefay with it [01:40] And I have been using BW64 for about a year without any problems [01:40] owe [01:40] Action: chopp checks with failbird619 on his adesklets progress, and runs for cover. :P [01:40] anshulk, that's cuz fred does good work :) [01:40] I have never seen BW64 maintainers act as anything other than quick recompilers of slack stuff [01:40] anshulk: no one said anything about functionality. stick to the topic at hand if you want to debate it [01:40] They say so pretty openly [01:40] anshulk: congrats, have a cookie, and leave us alone. [01:40] Oh come on [01:40] openly? probably cuz they got busted sounds like to me. [01:40] I just don't get what BW64 is doing wrong... [01:42] anshulk: and that is your main failing. [01:42] nothing, they just don't like him cause he's weird [01:42] Right [01:42] BP{k}: how about to explain it to him? [01:42] anshulk, bw64 maybe doing correct but in a manner more communist and dirty. [01:42] anshulk: as you said you are *new*, there are a fair amount of regulars talking here, who know a bit more about the history than you might do. [01:42] Look everyone keeps saying that these Romanian ppl keep stealing credit and I cant find any evidence of it... [01:42] but bw64 rules ok in most of my machines [01:42] It sounds to me like some people need to read up on licensing and how this all works. [01:42] At least since I have been using it they are very clear about where the credit goes [01:42] where do you modify manpath to add a dir globally [01:42] problem is, even tho there is BSD and GPL licenses at play here, there is still the rule of Chivalry, and the bw team seems to have forgotten that anshulk . [01:42] pizzledizzle: /etc/profile iirc. [01:42] thx [01:42] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:45] anshulk: ask Dominian [01:45] I think it's different if he's using tcsh. [01:45] anshulk: http://slackadelic.com/?s=bluewhite [01:45] anshulk, they might say that stuff now, but they have a history of lying [01:45] Oldway_Ogiefay: Well, that built at least. [01:45] failbird619, ah ok [01:45] failbird619, and it runs? [01:45] bw64 was for romanians, not for americans. [01:45] I wonder if BW64 actually asked Mozilla for the permission to use the official branding, which Slamd64 did do. http://mirror.inode.at/data/bluewhite64/bluewhite64-12.2/source/xap/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefox.SlackBuild [01:45] anyone know? [01:45] maxote, so I guess its just plain ol racism? [01:45] Oldway_Ogiefay: haven't tested that yet. [01:45] antiwire, I dont think they 'need' to since romania doesnt honor patents iirc. I may be wrong on that. [01:45] Oldway_Ogiefay: what patents? [01:45] oh that's right, none of these people have a clue about what they are talking about..my bad [01:45] stybla, or trademarks I mean [01:45] antiwire: official branding? [01:45] thebigh, the race always was present [01:45] BP{k}: Fred obtained permission to use the Firefox branding [01:45] BP{k}: without that you get "Minefield" branding [01:45] Oldway_Ogiefay: oh, well. i always thought such things are more about people rather than law [in OSS]. [01:45] how can i explain it? [01:46] antiwire, yea which is a *horrible* name they should've done something other than that. [01:46] So...I wonder if BW64 actually obtained permission or if they just changed the distribution ID [01:46] stybla, I dont follow you. [01:46] its ok, its probably a bit for bit copy of the firefox Fred compiled, so its ok [01:46] antiwire: ah gotcha :) [01:46] Oldway_Ogiefay: never mind :) [01:46] romanians wanted still better OS for x86-64, americans told not, not and not, then romanians created bw64 for their purposes, right? [01:46] thebigh: no it is not, BW64 clearly changed the distribution ID [01:46] maxote: no. [01:46] Action: stybla sighs -> laters [01:46] Since when did the Americans say any such thing? [01:46] thebigh: read the build script buddy, and then you will be able to talk with some sensible words. [01:48] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-55-213-233.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:48] "rebranding" is _NOT_ "creating" [01:48] maxote: fred started Slamd64, arny just copied it. [01:48] why didn't exist slackware64 before bw was created? [01:48] maxote: the bw64 creators got lazy, copied slam64, and named it bw64 [01:48] maxote: because Pat didn't saw a need for it at the time, or decided the time wasn't right? [01:48] Pat did wrong, right? [01:48] BP{k}, just give up he's a troll [01:48] dont waste your breath [01:48] This channel has been overrun with people spewing random words of non sense and are clearly talking out of their asses at this point. [01:48] Oldway_Ogiefay: but but but ... people are wrong on the internet! [01:48] ;) [01:48] Action: rk4n3 pulls his finger [01:49] antiwire, are you sure they are even talking out them? [01:49] BP{k}, :) [01:49] lol [01:49] Action: Oldway_Ogiefay pulls rk4n3's finger [01:49] I'm sensing raw sewage. [01:49] lol [01:49] yeah, maxote is an idiot [01:49] lol [01:49] thumbs++ [01:49] thumbs, +++ [01:49] K... that's unfair... [01:49] Attack the arguement not the person... [01:49] oh now YOU want to talk about fairness? [01:49] ... [01:49] When the person won't provide a good argumen? [01:49] anshulk: we refuted the argument. [01:49] argument? [01:49] anyone else see the irony here? [01:49] k... so we can stop after refuting the argument right [01:49] Action: Motoko-chan sees an iron and ivory, if you combine does that make irony? [01:49] anshulk: sure if the argument make sense and is well forumalted. not retarded like a 2 year old with alzheimers. [01:49] good morning, it's time to go to my bed. [01:49] anshulk: and you're on the wrong side of this discussion, too. [01:49] BP{k}, do they even exist? [01:49] does irony smell like burned dog food ? If so, I smell irony ... [01:49] And I am beginning to see the light if that helps... [01:49] lots of negativity from the slackware people [01:49] Motoko-chan: maxote must surely be the prime example here ;) [01:49] I don't set fire to my dog food. [01:49] go.... [01:49] I don't think it's that particular sickness. [01:49] Hey BP{k}, how are you? [01:49] I mean looks like the BW64 guys were good hackers with little understanding of credits and licenses [01:49] romanians :o [01:49] and that appears to be a widely accepted unfogivable crime... [01:49] anshulk: hacking != "lets copy this, remove copyright and claim it as our own" [01:49] anshulk, bad hackers. [01:49] even I can delete lines from text files and I'm an idiot with this linux. rebranding a distro means nothing. [01:49] s/good hackers/plagiarists/ [01:50] They just took someone else's work. [01:50] OK, we have now left the irony room and are quickly approaching the 'fscking hilarious' room [01:50] is not Romania another bananan island? [01:50] antiwire: lol [01:50] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-164-37.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] briareus_ (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [01:50] Action: Motoko-chan thought Romania was in Eastern Europe and not an island [01:50] Motoko-chan: correct. [01:50] I was not awake of Romania being an island nation either. That's news to me [01:51] It's also not to be confused with Rome. [01:51] aware* [01:51] BP{k}: Motoko-chan: Lok it's not easy to maintain a day late 64 bit version of slack current and create a very slackware 32 bit like experience for slackware 64... these guys are pretty good at that part... though they didnt have a good understanding of the distro ecosystem they were good at this [01:51] Which wasn't built in a day [01:51] Motoko-chan, or greece [01:51] so... they don't speak romulan?... [01:51] anshulk, it's really easy when it's a straight compile. [01:51] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:51] anshulk: I think you're missing the point entirely [01:51] Oldway_Ogiefay: Whoa, gqview works too. :P [01:53] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:53] anshulk: that's about taking a brand new car, painting it a different colour and saying "look, I single handedly invented and build a new car" [01:53] among good and evil hackers, the solution to the problem is removing credits each another. [01:53] anshulk: what people are angry about is the assertion that they actually *didn't* accomplish any of that, they stole the work that slamd64 did in that regard, and just claimed they did it [01:53] rk4n3: No I am not... I agree that what these people did was harmful... You guys are claiming malice and I think it's more incompetence at work here... [01:53] English is not their native lang [01:53] now the latter part of that statement I can agree with. [01:53] ok now we're actually talking like intelligent beings [01:53] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:53] bw64 had stolen to slamd64, slamd64 can stole to bw64, slackware can stole to both bw64 and slamd64, and so on. [01:54] anshulk: arny has no problem communicating in English. So the language argument doesn't hold true sorry. [01:54] After being called out, they continued to deny for at least a while. [01:54] anshulk: OK, so if you understand the alleged mis-deed, then you'll have to admit that statements to the affect of "well they did a good job technically" are vacuous [01:54] So, that kinda kills incompetence. [01:54] anshulk: go ahead and google it, ir was far from incompitence, you only need to read arnys replies in numerouse postd [01:54] good bye [01:54] So if I go to Romania, and steel a car off a parking lot there, it's ok cuz I dont speak Romanian? [01:54] maxote: you've said good bye multiple times now, just go [01:54] cuz it's not my native lang? [01:54] Its that same reason we don't like cheap chinese rip offs [01:54] so much negativity from antiwire [01:54] So much negativity period. This is getting tiresome. [01:57] sounds like they dont understand english, and they dont understand honor to me. [01:57] thebigh: can I have a hug? [01:57] Action: thebigh hugs antiwire [01:57] awe see [01:57] lol [01:57] eww [01:57] Hey chopp [01:57] Action: thebigh passes 60's beads around [01:57] Action: antiwire gets the bongos [01:57] Action: chopp gets the 12 gauge [01:57] lol [01:57] Action: failbird619 gets the heck outta here. [01:57] :P [01:57] Cops killed a creep.. pow pow pow! [01:57] bongos and shotgun's ...and beeds...this cant be good [01:58] ivan8013_ (n=slKIvs@190.149.84.241) left irc: "Saliendo" [01:58] ¡Adios! [01:58] sounds like a neohippy-survivalist convention [01:58] i'min [01:58] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Success [01:58] chopp: adesklets still doesn't work, as does a few other things not work atm. [01:58] failbird619, all I can tell you is, with your luck, stay *away* from women tonight. [01:58] Oldway_Ogiefay: hahaha [01:58] I may get something that a reload and antibiotics can't cure. [01:58] antiwire: did you see me tell you earlier I'm using 2.6.30-rc6 as the AP now *without* the patch. [01:59] yeah, because it might be the one thing that actually works for you and you'll end up with failbirdjunior [01:59] failbird619: ... might want to stay away from anything sharp or loaded, as well [01:59] antiwire: hahaha [02:00] chopp: oh that's awesome [02:00] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Connection timed out [02:00] rk4n3: so in other words, stay away from chopp and his 12 gauge. :P [02:00] haha - yeah :) [02:00] failbird619: yeah I've noticed you're having a problem or two. :( [02:00] problem or two, try 3 or four. :P [02:00] some one stole too many tokens for the failbus [02:02] haha [02:02] antiwire: might even end up in Vegas with failbirdjunior and a wife. :P [02:02] Oldway_Ogiefay: haha [02:02] lol [02:02] :) [02:02] Action: BP{k} & [02:02] gn BP{k} [02:02] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:02] failbird619, the thing is, slackware doesn't have a mind all it's own like some other distro's. I wonder what is going on with that boxen of yours tho ya know. [02:02] Oldway_Ogiefay: yeah, it has me puzzled. especially when things were fine yesterday. [02:03] and now all of a sudden VBox, pcmanfm, adesklets, etc. don't work. [02:03] "if failbird619 had gone straight to the Police this would never have happened" (In 1950's tv announcer voice) [02:03] lol [02:05] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:05] at least thunar works, I'm putting stuff on my external drive for backup. If thunar didn't work, I'd be in mc right now. [02:05] thank goodness as well irssi works. :P [02:07] bleah. Who shall I thank that my cable doesn't work worth a damn? [02:07] Action: Oldway_Ogiefay puts on his ISP technical support headset and sippy cup headgear [02:07] blame slackboy. :P [02:07] "Have you scanned your pc for spyware? Have you defragged lately? Please pull the power cord from your modem and count to 60...." [02:07] failbird619, ^^ maybe that'll work :? :) [02:07] lol [02:07] "in other words, we don't take responsibility, nor are we able to actually fix anything" [02:07] antiwire: oops I should mention it's wireless-testing branch. (just incase you're testing it) [02:07] "power cycle your router please" [02:07] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:07] hahaha, it's the standard list they got there, cuz you *know* it can't _possibly_ be an error on their side of things. [02:07] flush your roto-router... [02:07] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [02:09] Why, you trying to get the ubunturds out by flushing? [02:09] well, it's bed time for bonzo [02:09] good luck failbird619 [02:09] gn all [02:09] they tend to clog the pipes... [02:09] Oldway_Ogiefay (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [02:09] thebigh2 (n=herbert@adsl-99-39-21-139.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:09] night Oldway_Ogiefay [02:09] Nick change: failbird619 -> firebird619 [02:09] wow, got this irssi thing going [02:10] thebigh2: nice, ain't it? [02:10] I don't know [02:10] guess it depends on what you were using before [02:10] How do you do that Urchlay: nick thing [02:10] bitxch, MSN messenger, two soup cans with string... [02:10] you type the first part of the name and hit Tab [02:10] thebigh2: like this :) [02:11] oh wow [02:11] nice [02:11] Urchlay: very cool [02:11] thebigh (n=herbert@adsl-99-39-21-139.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [02:11] Ugh, this lag sucks. [02:11] if you don't type enough for a unique name, it'll cycle (try hitting u, then tab) [02:12] 3 or 4 times [02:12] How many tabs does it take to get to Urchlay, a 1...a 2...a 3..... :) [02:12] the world may never know [02:12] haha [02:12] actually, only one, for me anyway. :) [02:16] Well, I'm gonna take a break afk for a little bit from this problem ridden pc. :P [02:16] Nick change: thebigh2 -> thebigh [02:16] have you checked it for moisture? [02:16] perhaps you fell asleep and drooled on it? [02:16] plenty of themes/scripts @irssi.org :) [02:16] also learning irssi's perl scripting can be a lot of fun [02:16] Perl?!? [02:16] oh, aye [02:16] Action: thebigh goes back to pidgin [02:16] lol [02:16] beats the crap out of the old ircII scripting language (some flavor of tcl I think it was) [02:16] AHHHHH, claws-mail is broke too. That's it, break time. [02:17] thebigh: Do you use the plugin package for pidgin? [02:17] taking a break from breaking stufF? [02:17] antiwire: no [02:17] thebigh: you might want to install it. the IRC plugins add functionality that you might like [02:17] Urchlay: I didn't break anything. Stuff stopped working. :( [02:17] antiwire: thanks [02:17] bbl [02:18] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/purple-plugin_pack/ [02:18] it's worth it, for IRC and other added functionality [02:24] well thats nice all those plugins, too bad the slackbuild didn't work [02:25] lol, no wait, I just forgot to add ARCH=x86_64 infront of sh [02:25] umm [02:25] ok [02:25] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [02:25] slKIvs (n=ivan@190.149.84.241) joined ##slackware. [02:29] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "goodbye" [02:29] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:29] do you ever use the pidgin encryption abilities? [02:29] It's really nice. I have everyone that I know using pidgin so we call use the encryption [02:29] supergear (i=supergea@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: [02:31] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [02:31] I've never tried it [02:31] it allows pidgin users to encrypt the contents of messages sent on a opportunistic basis [02:32] I've always wondered if it would work with the IRC protocol, for private messages [02:32] The ability to enable encryption in pidgin IRC windows is there so it might work [02:34] anyone using pidgin and willing to try it out? [02:38] yarvin (n=yarvin@42-57-74-65.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [02:43] irssi here and bedtime. night guys. be well! [02:43] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [02:43] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@32.159.23.92) joined ##slackware. [02:46] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:47] having an issue installing lilypond via the slackbuild...i've installed the packages that the page claims are the dependencies, and it still errors out [02:50] Can you show us what the whole error is? [02:53] ERROR: Please install required programs: mf-nowin mf mfw mfont [02:53] giuppy (n=giuppy@host247-163-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:55] yosii: you need to use "su -" Also, do you have t/ installed? [02:56] evo- (n=evo@a89-182-211-200.net-htp.de) joined ##slackware. [02:56] N3mZ (i=501@unaffiliated/nemesis128) left irc: "§" [03:03] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.152.165.163) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:04] N3mZ (i=501@unaffiliated/nemesis128) joined ##slackware. [03:04] thebigh: stick 'export ARCH=x86_64' in ~/.bash_profile [03:04] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:04] save you a lot of remembering and typing later [03:05] Buggaboo (n=Buggab00@a83-163-47-192.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:07] wow, over 30 plugins in the pidgin-plugin-pack. I didn't think there was that many. [03:08] yep, and many of them are actually pretty useful [03:08] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@32.159.23.92) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:08] I'm installing now. I use irssi, but I'll check it out. I had forgotten that was there. [03:09] I always have pidgin going anyway. [03:10] karlmag (n=karlmag@IT010246.UIB.NO) left irc: "leaving" [03:10] It's a nice client for cross platform environments. I can setup Linux, Windows and OSX systems with the same client [03:11] yeah, I used to use pidgin for irc, really liked it also, but ventured off to try irssi and really like it as well, but now I'll try pidgin again with things to try these plugins. [03:11] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.157.82.56) joined ##slackware. [03:11] I am pretty much on linux all the time, very seldom use the windows box. [03:12] Any specific plugins you recommend? [03:12] if friends forced you to use Myspace or Facebook get those plugins [03:12] firebird619: i enable all the IRC related plugins along with the irssi plugin [03:13] I don't use myspace or facebook, or twitter, or anything else of the like. [03:13] antiwire: Ok, I'll look into those. Thanks. [03:13] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.74.3) joined ##slackware. [03:13] and of course the encryption pack too ;) [03:13] I'd like to test that with IRC private messages sometime [03:14] that would be really nice to have [03:14] Is that possible, or just something you want to test if works? [03:14] fgdfas (n=dfgdf@91-115-209-53.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [03:15] anshulk (n=chatzill@210.18.173.48) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:15] Well, it works with other IM protocols, I've just never tested it with IRC [03:15] it's not protocol encryption, it's message level encryption so it doesn't matter if the network supports it or not [03:15] install done. WOW, plugins galore. :) [03:17] Oh man, these plugins are awesome. There's some great ones. [03:20] Is the encryption pack included in the pidgin plugin pack, or is it something separate? [03:20] it's included with slackware [03:21] Ah, ok. :) [03:21] just enable it in the plugin's "Pidgin-Encryption 3.0" [03:21] k, thanks. [03:21] man, that's just weird [03:21] --> Deleting /lib/ld-2.7.so [03:22] gives me the willies [03:22] Also, I go into the plugin options and regenerate my keys with 2048bit instead of 1024 [03:22] just because I'm like that [03:22] --> Deleting /lib/libc-2.7.so [03:22] :) nothing wrong with that. [03:22] antiwire: ^^^ [03:22] hehe [03:22] seriously, I'm conditioned to go red-alert if I see stuff like that [03:23] sounds like something I'd do too. :) [03:23] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:23] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:24] antiwire: why not 4096? :P [03:26] I guess I better [03:26] hahaah [03:26] Can't let myself be negligent now can I [03:27] nope, not at all. :) [03:27] I'll have to regen my family's keys too [03:27] that's the highest it'll go, why not. :) [03:27] This is a horrible oversight [03:27] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:28] Did you generate a key yet? [03:28] for an IRC account [03:28] I'm just regening mine at 4096, may be overkill, but what the heck. It CAN be done, therefore it WILL be done. [03:28] Do you want to see if it works for IRC PMs? [03:29] sure, it is taking a bit to regen even the first one here, but sure. [03:29] lol [03:29] Action: firebird619 sits and waits [03:30] Action: firebird619 and waits..... [03:30] one down. :) [03:30] qneo (n=tricqste@206.19.210.7) joined ##slackware. [03:30] few more to go. :) [03:31] brb [03:31] I can't believe I had forgotten how many nice plugins pidgin had. :P [03:31] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [03:31] k [03:31] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [03:31] yeah, there are a bunch of them [03:32] It's one of the reasons I like pidgin, encryption plugins and all the other helper plugins [03:32] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:32] Ah, good. just finished backing my stuff up to external hdd. I'm having issues with slack and claws-mail stopped working, kino crashing, adesklets stopped working, tovidgui won't work, pcmanfm won't start. [03:33] yeah, I love pidgin, I had just sort of got away from using it for irc for a while and forgetting about the plugin pack. [03:33] when I used windows, I always used pidgin, then gaim. [03:34] good grief, 4096 sure takes it's sweet time eh? [03:35] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Client Quit [03:35] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [03:36] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [03:36] yarvin (n=yarvin@42-57-74-65.gci.net) left ##slackware. [03:36] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-235-160.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left ##slackware. [03:37] 2 to regen yet, then I'm done. :P [03:37] this is going to be brutal [03:37] I've never used the 4096 option [03:38] Ugh, isn't that Billy Mayes annoying. One of his infomercial's was just on. [03:38] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-235-160.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [03:38] You have alot to have to regen? [03:38] ~15 [03:38] hahaha [03:38] -_- [03:38] lol [03:39] I'm glad I don't have that many. [03:39] I'll be going to bed in about half an hour. I'd have to wait till tomorrow. :P [03:39] I have a couple that I can't regenerate because people in companies I communicate with have my key [03:40] ah yeah, that would mess things up. :P [03:40] they'll start flipping out if they see a new key request [03:40] Wha, what's this, new key request, WE BEEN HACKED. :P [03:40] exactly, I'd get a phone call immediately [03:41] regening the last one now. [03:41] lol, Plonkers. :D [03:42] brb, gonna log back in with pidgin. [03:42] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [03:43] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [03:43] I is here. :) [03:43] ok let's try [03:43] I have to hit Enable Encryption first? [03:44] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:44] hmm [03:44] wow :P [03:44] is your's enabled yet? [03:44] yeah [03:44] root (i=proxyuse@mail.bluechips.co.th) joined ##slackware. [03:45] guess it doesn't work on IRC [03:45] send me a message [03:45] Nick change: root -> Guest37043 [03:45] what are you two talking about? all I see is garbage from you two [03:45] hi all [03:45] It follows slackware principles, we have to decrypt ourselves. :P [03:45] lol [03:45] tank-man: really? [03:45] are you guys talking in encrypted? [03:45] i ahve quest ? [03:45] lol [03:45] just kidding [03:45] i have question ? [03:46] I give you permission to ask. [03:47] Ldap + samba for PDC on Slackware can do ? [03:47] ok guys so Pidgin encryption does not seem to work with the IRC protocol [03:47] tank-man: you cant give permission lol [03:47] test [03:47] Guest37043 (i=proxyuse@mail.bluechips.co.th) left irc: Client Quit [03:47] Hey lf4 [03:47] Hey firebird619 :) [03:47] can you guys read that line as "test" or was is garbled? [03:48] root (i=proxyuse@mail.bluechips.co.th) joined ##slackware. [03:48] Hmm, I have to change the colors in pidgin, what I type shows light grey. [03:48] antiwire: I could read it [03:48] I want this to work so bad, damn it [03:48] Nick change: root -> Guest57086 [03:48] antiwire: I'm googling about it now. [03:49] Guest57086: lol logged in at root on your system? [03:49] Guest57086 (i=proxyuse@mail.bluechips.co.th) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:50] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427151.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:50] lf4: looks like it. :D [03:51] Oh, that's better, blue for what I type. :) [03:51] lol nice firebird619 [03:51] blue for what I type, and bold blue for those who say my nick. :) [03:51] firebird619: [03:51] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [03:51] lol [03:51] haha [03:51] how did you choose colours? [03:52] how is your evening going? [03:52] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.74.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:52] dchmelik: In pidgin I am using a plugin called conversation colors. [03:52] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.74.3) joined ##slackware. [03:52] lf4: Well, I'm having slack issues, but going great otherwise. [03:52] I am back to pidgin from kopete... despite that I hate windowing compared to consoles and tabs. [03:52] uvv (n=uvv@85.117.64.129) left ##slackware. [03:53] antiwire: Wow, I forgot as well how nice pidgin with irc was, I'll be sticking with it for a while. [03:53] Oh sorry to hear that. Hopefully you get those issues worked out. [03:53] yeah me too. They're some not so good ones. :) [03:53] Pidgin with IRC lol no no no... I have IRC on my blackberry ;) [03:54] dchmelik: go to slackbuilds.org and get the purple-plugin_pack for pidgin then use Conversation Colors. [03:54] Action: firebird619 doesn't have a blackberry [03:54] I already have the pack and it may be on [03:54] dchmelik: ok, cool [03:55] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [03:57] Hmm, I sort of found what's wrong with irc encryption, on an Ubuntu bug list no less, but now antiwire left. :P [03:57] This is cool, pidgin even has a plugin that blocks joins/parts/quits of people that aren't active in the room. :D [03:58] by definition, if they join or part or quit, then they are active [03:59] so it blocks nothing? [03:59] lol, true. [03:59] or it blocks all join/parts/quits [03:59] nah, it doesn't block all [04:00] tank-man: I just looked at the config for it, it's in rooms that have at least 20 users, and the person is inactive for 10 minutes it blocks them. [04:00] both those settings are configurable [04:01] AFAIK irssi has colours, but unless it starts using gpm or the X mouse I might not switch back [04:02] yes, irssi has colors [04:03] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [04:03] Now if I can just figure out how to customize the timestamp, I [04:04] I'll be golden. [04:04] well i can't get it to work with IRC even by manually importing the public keys [04:04] antiwire: look at this: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg703451.html [04:04] possible reason ^^ [04:04] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [04:04] I think it might be a bug because it seems to me like pidgin is reading the \'s in the keys as actual line continuations [04:05] i tried it with both 4096 and 2048 bit keys [04:05] yeah, I think it's a bug somewhere, it really should work. [04:05] ah that link is interesting [04:05] yeah [04:05] it's fragmenting the messages [04:05] could be the reason [04:05] yeah [04:06] maybe a fix will be in the works. :) [04:06] lol 2.5.6 was just released [04:06] That's what i'm using too [04:06] I'm on 2.5.2 [04:06] you built 2.5.6 yourself? [04:06] yeah [04:07] Well if that was released, it will maybe be in patches soon eh? [04:07] yep [04:07] I'd expect it there since it fixes some crashing issues [04:07] sweet [04:08] read the changelogs yet? Anything about this issue? [04:08] I didn't see anything about this in there [04:08] this might be related: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1999161&group_id=57740&atid=485253 [04:08] ah crap. [04:08] time t test [04:08] to* [04:09] that link is sort of related to. This has to be a bug. Get it fixed people. :P [04:09] this doesn't sound good. [04:09] looks realted too: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2011023&group_id=57740&atid=485253 [04:09] i hope we didn't bust all our keys [04:10] :O [04:10] I hope not too. [04:10] maybe switch to OTR ;) [04:11] antiwire: so basically, we can only type real short messages like "hi" "yes" "no" etc. :P [04:11] lol [04:11] until the bug is crushed that is. [04:11] which hopefully is soon. [04:12] I bet the 4096 bit encryption creates messages that are too long [04:12] since it would turn a simple "hey man" into an epic line [04:12] yeah [04:12] heh [04:12] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-85-54.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:12] antiwire: 2048 maybe? [04:12] Hello Camarade_Tux [04:12] ready set GO [04:12] lol [04:13] hi firebird619 :) [04:13] antiwire: wanna test that? I do have to get going soon here though. [04:13] nah it's ook, it's broken [04:13] i tested it already [04:13] k [04:13] :) [04:13] fgdfas: thanks for those reports [04:13] We'll just have to patiently (err...impatiently) wait. :) [04:13] fgdfas: I'll stop thinking it's just me now [04:14] lol [04:14] antiwire: you'r welcome :) [04:14] antiwire: Ooooo, dice plugin. :P [04:15] 8ball too [04:15] The Purple 8 Ball says: Unclear [04:15] haha [04:15] red 8 ball? [04:15] Will encryption ever work for IRC with 4096 bits? [04:15] The Purple 8 Ball says: Ask again later [04:15] !!! [04:15] lol [04:15] there's hope [04:16] The Purple 8 Ball says: Unclear [04:16] These are some fun plugins. [04:16] I'm going to test 1024<->1024 really quick [04:16] brb [04:16] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("()"). [04:18] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [04:18] i think it works with 1024 [04:18] Well, I have to get going. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. Take Care. :) [04:18] see ya [04:18] antiwire: seriously? [04:18] yeah [04:18] awesome [04:18] that almost certainly points to a message length issue [04:18] can you stand to use 1024 though? :P [04:18] yeah [04:19] hell, 1024 for IRC is better than nothing [04:19] true [04:19] http://www.therawfeed.com/2009/05/steve-jobs-looks-evil-in-holy-trinity.html [04:19] Well, later guys. [04:19] later [04:19] antiwire: When I'm around tomorrow if you wanna test, just let me know. [04:19] awesome cool [04:20] I usually get online about 11:30 AM CST or so. [04:20] k [04:20] sometimes a little later [04:20] but not much later [04:21] Alright, Good Night and Good Bye. :) [04:21] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [04:21] anyone else using pidgin? [04:21] (for IRC) [04:22] irrsi was my first love and will be the last ;) [04:23] irssi made me want to cry. I'm not leet enough for irssi [04:26] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [04:26] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:28] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-40-214.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:31] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [04:33] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@97-86-234-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:36] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.74.100) joined ##slackware. [04:37] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.15.191) left irc: Nick collision from services. [04:37] Nick change: moh2a -> mohaa [04:39] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:39] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [04:42] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@97-86-234-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. 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[05:10] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@sv1cii.static.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:11] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:11] yeah [05:11] maybe everyone's hacking away on slack64 [05:14] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [05:17] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.34) joined ##slackware. [05:17] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:17] or holidays :) [05:17] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:19] its always this quiet this time of the morning [05:20] only last couple of days it hasnt bene [05:20] Urchlay: please, don't start. [05:20] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:25] morning [05:26] back on a normal schedule got sleep [05:26] dang I still have to download it [05:26] start what? [05:26] Slackware64 [05:26] can't start what I'm already in the middle of :) [05:26] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-124-166.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:28] paissad (n=paissad@12.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [05:28] slKIvs (n=ivan@190.149.84.241) left irc: "Saliendo" [05:28] xiws (n=xiws13@218.89.5.132) joined ##slackware. [05:32] flvr (n=flvr@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) joined ##slackware. [05:32] flvr (n=flvr@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:34] agris (n=agris@intel4.dokumeds.lv) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:36] sidmario (n=sidmario@201-92-115-31.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:38] Meckafet1 (i=meckafet@c193-150-245-20.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:38] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [05:39] hey [05:39] hello. [05:39] gnna tiredness [05:41] Action: compl3x has no smokes left :/ [05:41] hi [05:41] hey nix_chix0r [05:41] my sleep schedule is back to norm today compl3x [05:41] nix_chix0r: haha lucky - i didn't sleep till about 4 am last night [05:42] i didnt wana chug redbulls again and get sick:P i went to bed at 9pm [05:42] woke up at 3 fed baby and been up since [05:42] nix_chix0r: haha - im laying of those for the moment - buz real hard for like 24 hours then I crash [05:42] he was asleep from 840pm-3something in the am [05:43] new record? [05:43] compl3x, sometimes staying up so long you see floaters around your eyes and shit is good once in a while. but at work i got up from my desk cause i had to go to another office and i stand up and some how my leg is caught in the keyboard cord and i fall and bash my head on my desk [05:43] people probally thought i was drunk [05:44] nix_chix0r: haha fail :p [05:44] yeah sleeping that long is a record now that it's actually consistant not just a fluke like before [05:44] gah i was so embarassed [05:44] from now on i should just stay in my office and not move even to take a piss [05:45] ew [05:45] :p [05:45] my boss is gone till tuesday and i've got like all her work done plus mine [05:46] :o [05:46] i scanned in 80% of the medical records i requested so she didnt have to she's going to come back tuesday thinking some one else did it but i left her a shit ton of sticky notes that say otherwise;) [05:46] flvr (n=flvr@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) joined ##slackware. [05:46] flvr (n=flvr@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:47] nix_chix0r: haha - new job going aight then? [05:47] love it. i feel like i'm stealing for getting paid that much to do such easy work [05:47] awesome :p [05:48] oh dear - im addicted to this little online flash game :/ [05:48] lul which [05:48] mybrute XD [05:49] o0 [05:49] hmm should i go meet the girlfriend - or watch some mythbusters [05:49] compl3x, I'm gonna help you : mybrute probably has an ocaml backend :) [05:49] mythbustersss [05:49] still addicted ? [05:50] Camarade_Tux: Im speechless [05:50] nix_chix0r: nice choice :p [05:50] inside of my cheek is super raw wtf was i doing [05:50] mybrute is written in haxe right? [05:50] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.195.251) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:50] compl3x, yep it has :) [05:50] Buggaboo: yeah [05:50] Buggaboo, right [05:50] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.132.79) joined ##slackware. [05:50] I'm currently learning the language by porting openflashchart. [05:50] Major pain in the ass. [05:51] zlinux_ (n=zlinux@79.172.167.92) joined ##slackware. [05:51] But somehow I'm addicted to the compiler, port code, compiler, port code cycle... positive reinforcement thing. [05:51] haha [05:51] I took a look at it - wasn't impressed [05:51] xiws (n=xiws13@218.89.5.132) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:52] compl3x, you might wanna compare it to actionscript then :D [05:52] nix_chix0r: may i suggest a theory? [05:52] Mind you I started on C++, so I'm used to the 'pain'. [05:52] Buggaboo: fair point - i detest C++ [05:52] I abhor C++ :) [05:52] spook, nah i was probally giving blow jobs in my sleep again [05:52] c++ is quite cool. [05:52] nix_chix0r: :) [05:52] hehe :p [05:52] nix_chix0r: you too aye? [05:53] eh it happens i guess it's a disorder or something [05:53] currently I got three projects going, open-haxe-chart (haxe), freeermind (jython), slamedia (sounds like chlamydia, but it's a slackbuild generator + slackbuilds project) [05:53] nix_chix0r: is that not a form of rape? [05:53] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:53] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:53] Buggaboo: I currently have no projects- no ideas - no inspiration XD [05:53] compl3x: she didnt say no [05:53] compl3x, im not sure. i'm pretty sure he wakes up at some point [05:53] you can't rape the willing [05:54] not that she could, with cock in her mouth [05:54] chopp: fair enough [05:54] gawd, this channel is so nsfw... [05:54] stop rape, say yes! [05:54] Urch32 (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:54] spook, bend over. [05:54] tooly (n=theo@e178186018.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [05:54] well this works [05:55] Urch32 (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:55] ExDiv (n=ExDiv@93-97-190-32.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [05:56] Urch32Again (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:56] wow, I hate epic [05:56] Urch32Again (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:57] nice Urchlay :) [05:57] that was on slackware64, with my work-in-progress 32-bit compatibility stuff [05:57] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [05:57] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:57] running the 32-bit /usr/bin/epicc-EPIC4-2.8 from slackware 12.2 [05:58] Urchlay: nice [= [05:58] s/cc/c [05:58] nice :) [05:58] right now I have a ginormous "compat32" package that's 136730K installed size :) [05:59] pretty small actually [05:59] now, add qt4 32bit :D [05:59] I did [05:59] qneo (n=tricqste@206.19.210.7) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:59] and it's <140MB installed ? [05:59] yeppers [05:59] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [06:00] gtk apps run [06:00] I guess you used the Dark Side of the Force [06:01] kde apps run, except all of them I tried, they all come with their own .so libs (that are part of that app's package, not part of kdelibs) [06:01] Meckafett (n=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) joined ##slackware. [06:01] (so I had to e.g. LD_PRELOAD=/tmp/libkdegames.so.5.0.0 to be able to run kpat) [06:02] if I'd actually installed the kdegames package, it would have worked, I just didn't want to blow away the 64-bit kdegames... [06:02] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:03] transfusion (openGL game, released as a precompiled binary) ran just fine [06:03] for some reason, irssi will not (it exits immediately with no error message) [06:04] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-85-54.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [06:04] heh. I bored him into leaving :( [06:04] haha [06:07] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-272a12eecb834eac) joined ##slackware. [06:07] zlinux[] (n=zlinux@79.172.168.206) left irc: Connection timed out [06:08] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-85-54.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:08] anyone got glut apps to compile on slackware? [06:09] believe I have, yes [06:09] I wonder if glut is not "deprecated", what do you want to compile ? [06:09] (doomsday engine uses it, no?) [06:09] Just messing with gl/glut again, never compiled on slack tho [06:10] people i need some help, i need to set up two PC-s with autologin and running directly X [06:11] dw guys sorted my linker errors [06:11] i have no clue how to do that [06:14] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:15] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) joined ##slackware. [06:15] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:15] Hey! Anyone tried slack64 yet? [06:16] Anyone got a nice shiny dvd iso uploaded somewhere that works? [06:16] messing with it right now [06:16] I have not [06:16] Urchlay, did you take my rubber ducky? [06:16] lol [06:16] haha [06:17] Urchlay: How is slack64? [06:17] there are demos with rubber duckies [06:17] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [06:17] spinning them around in 3D [06:17] cool [06:17] anshulk: try slackware.no [06:17] i was just gona throw them in the tub but they are lost [06:18] nix_chix0r: if I did, I'd have it... just had a look round the place, no rubber duckies here [06:18] anshulk: it's nice [06:18] anshulk: you should be able to build a dvd of it with this script: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/mirror-slackware-current.sh [06:18] Urchlay, thanks, at least you looked. they're probally in his bedroom [06:19] Anyone find the music from tuxracer extremly sooothing? [06:19] brb [06:19] anshulk: the one thing missing from slackware64 right now is 32-bit binary compatibility, which is what I'm working on right now [06:19] viper: No slack64 iso there... :( [06:20] Urchlay: I really dont need 32 bit compatibility [06:20] I kind of do... not *really* I suppose, but it'd be useful for some things [06:20] Urchlay: If it's stable I will go for it! [06:21] it seems stable so far.... uptime almost 2 days, nothing scary in the logs or dmesg [06:21] The only things that need 32 bit compat are wine and ndis [06:21] anshulk: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/ISO-images/slackware/Current-ISO-build/ [06:21] slackware64-current-20_May_2009-DVD.iso [06:21] or at least the only major ones... [06:21] Thanks viper [06:21] anshulk: well, and mplayer's 32-bit windows codec support (which is a cut-down version of wine, really) [06:22] I was expecting a slack64-current-iso directory my bad [06:22] and some people like skype, which afaik is still 32-bit only [06:22] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.132.79) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:22] Right [06:22] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.71.111) joined ##slackware. [06:22] Urchlay: still?! [06:22] Will want mplayer here... [06:23] compl3x: I heard someone talking about that in here the other day, that's what whoever it was was saying. I've never used skype, so I dunno for sure [06:23] weird [06:23] also there needs to be the compiling for 32-bit systems... but I suppose that is at least partly in there [06:24] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:24] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [06:24] Btw from the topic... What is the txz format? [06:25] gyroscope (n=gyroscop@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [06:25] Anyone got any gnome to work on slack64 yet? [06:25] anshulk: http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 [06:25] anshulk: scroll down a bit and the txz will be described [06:25] slackware13 when ? [06:25] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:25] anshulk: and I dont think so no -tis only been round a couple days [06:25] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:25] anshulk: just about every question youve asked is detailed in the documentation [06:26] gyroscope: when its ready.. [06:26] agh [06:26] gyroscope: it will be out when it's out [06:26] when it's ready ? [06:26] gyroscope: just watch the changelog for clues [06:26] beantmt (n=bean@166-70-62-135.ip.xmission.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:26] beantmt (n=bean@166-70-62-135.ip.xmission.com) joined ##slackware. [06:26] Zordrak: err? what? [06:26] hey Zordrak - still Fun housing :P [06:26] compl3x: yeah.. but is paused for F1 highlights atm :) [06:26] Zordrak: if you don't know, be quiet [06:26] gyroscope: GTFO [06:27] Zordrak: haha [06:27] u gtfo [06:27] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:27] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:27] gyroscope: GTFO seriously. [06:27] me too [06:27] compl3x: merçi [06:28] nw [06:28] im grouchy and want a smoke - gr [06:28] Action: rapid lights [06:29] samac (n=samac@host86-168-4-215.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [06:29] rapid: I have none left. [06:29] if you smoke u will be die lol [06:29] gyroscope: if your a troll you will die. [06:30] i just ask a simple question [06:30] and you got the only answer there is.. but didnt like it so started being a pathetic troll [06:31] K... xz sounds good but it is difficult to google stuff out for xz ... Any online man page anyone? [06:31] Zordrak: ++ [06:31] ok thx for reply [06:31] gyroscope (n=gyroscop@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [06:32] PingFloyd (n=pingfloy@75.23.41.51) joined ##slackware. [06:32] bleah, my giant compat32 package is going to end up including almost all of the L series [06:32] (which is another good reason for breaking it up into many packages) [06:32] Urchlay: I see you're using slack64, have you tried to build wine? [06:33] no, but that's because I already know it won't build :) [06:33] (eh, well, possibly wine64, that emulates 64-bit windows, would build.. but it's almost completely useless) [06:33] because of the 32bit libraries requirement? [06:33] correct [06:33] specifically, damn near all windows .exes and .dlls are 32-bit [06:34] neat -.- [06:34] oh well, I'll dueal boot then! [06:34] I am running wine using slamd64 compatibility libraries, it was compiled on Slackware12.2 [06:34] s/dueal/dual [06:34] samac: you installed everything from slamd64's C series, or just aaa_elflibs32? [06:34] aaa-elflibs xlibs gcc [06:34] anshulk: slackware-current changelog Fri May 8 18:49:03 CDT 2009 [06:35] OK, that's good to know, that it works like that [06:35] Action: mziulu is noob and just reads... [06:35] Zordrak: I think I read that... [06:35] Let me read it again [06:35] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.43.118) joined ##slackware. [06:36] I did read that [06:36] What I am asking is what is the equivalent of gunzip and gzip for .xz stuff.. [06:37] makeppg / explodepkg [06:37] anshulk: xz [06:37] Thank you! [06:37] tar -xfJf / tar -cvJf [06:38] So basically J instead of the bz2 'j' ... perfect! [06:38] maw http://www.google.com/search?q=xz [06:38] first resoolt [06:39] Been there... seen tat [06:39] cmk_zzz (n=martink@125-237-112-135.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [06:39] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:39] totally useless [06:39] no man page no examples nothing... [06:39] I dont want to write a c program everytime to compress stuff :P [06:39] /usr/bin/xz --help [06:40] man tar [06:40] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:40] Yea.. am on a office win comp right now.. :( [06:40] Will do that once I get back... [06:41] Thanks a lot for the help :))) [06:45] cmk_zzz (n=martink@125-237-112-135.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left ##slackware. [06:45] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.122.76) joined ##slackware. [06:45] cmk_zzz (n=martink@125-237-112-135.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [06:47] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-147-239.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:50] just wondering: Is it possible to browse the web while you are in the terminal "command prompt", and if it's possible what is the advantage. I'm just curious because I really want to try stuffs and explore slack. [06:50] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:51] atom_fox: use lynx [= [06:51] atom_fox: lynx website.com [06:52] ?? [06:52] when your in a terminal - type lynx [06:52] its a terminal web browser. [06:52] ok thanks man [06:53] !lynx [06:53] links [06:53] or elinks if you build it from SBo [06:53] Zordrak: I use elinks , forgot about links [06:53] I'm running it right now man it's cool [06:54] elinks is great [06:54] and if you are at the physical terminal add the -g switch and you get graphics too [06:54] although w3m can display images:) [06:54] How does one pronounce "Zyxel"? [06:54] Zixxell [06:54] Ah, so sort of like pixel? [06:54] Zordrak: elinks -g doesnt work.. [06:54] then.. ZixxEll [06:54] And not like cyclops? :) [06:54] or Zixx Ell [06:55] compl3x: rully? [06:55] Zordrak: oh links. [06:55] Zordrak: your talking about elinks right? [06:55] Thanks... I'll let you know if I get laughed at in the store ;) [06:55] why no -g in elinks? its in links... [06:55] Zordrak: I haven't a clue [06:55] ELinks: Unknown option - [06:56] g* [06:56] screw elinks then [06:56] links ftw [06:57] fwiw i didnt even get js working with elinks last time i tried [06:57] Zordrak: haha same [06:57] Zordrak: wait actually I did [06:58] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-5c2828cce699fbed) joined ##slackware. [07:00] umislack (i=1000@58.64.92.138) left ##slackware. [07:00] fgdfas (n=dfgdf@91-115-209-53.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [07:01] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:02] morning [07:03] byteframe__ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-149.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:03] fgdfas (n=dfgdf@91-115-209-53.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Client Quit [07:03] fgdfas (n=dfgdf@91-115-209-53.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [07:03] out of 200gigs of music i dont know what to put on a thumb drive to throw on the shared server at work so i can listen to music [07:04] nix_chix0r: all of it [= [07:04] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-147-239.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [07:04] hah it's only 8gig [07:04] nix_chix0r: You only need one asbum :) [07:04] album [07:04] i downloaded sean kingston sp- [07:04] haha I used to love that guy [07:04] wanted to bump that when i'm done with all my phone appointments [07:05] oomamaoomamaowmaowmamaoomamamaow [07:05] hahahhahah [07:05] no [07:05] have you not heardZ [07:05] does any one remember the movie bebe's kids [07:05] I was under the impression that everybody had heard.. [07:06] COS EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THE BIRD IS THE WORD!! [07:06] Zordrak: go die :p [07:06] lul [07:07] Err, can a symlink itself have a specific permission? [07:07] anyway [07:07] yes [07:08] but you have to pass -h (iirc) to ch[own|mod] to change it [07:08] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:08] Zordrak, compl3x tecky Urchlay download this http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103783/ [07:09] samac (n=samac@host86-168-4-215.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:09] nix_chix0r: haha Im aight thanks :p [07:09] oh do it please [07:09] you will laugh so hard milk will come out your nose [07:10] remind me another time.. not in a position to do anything aboot it right now [07:11] and i just unpaused funhouse :) [07:11] mummy returns kinda blows [07:11] only kinda?! [07:11] Zordrak: oh dear :p [07:12] finally i can go grocery shopping on saturday, it's been 2 weeks heh my life dont slow down. [07:12] i'm tired of eating subway [07:12] nix_chix0r: how? :/ [07:12] fgdfas (n=dfgdf@91-115-209-53.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Leaving" [07:12] just any spare momments i have i dont want to run errands because i'm so tired [07:13] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427151.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:13] past two weeks i've literally just went to work and slept [07:13] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) left irc: "‚»" [07:13] getting used to the new schedule now so next week will be a lot better. [07:14] ewwwwwww SubStandard [07:14] probally going kayaking this weekend [07:14] could at least resort to Greggs or something [07:14] there should be more Linux demos on Scene.org [07:17] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-80-193.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:17] dang i pull in like 3,689.60 a month [07:17] 0.0 i just finally did the math [07:18] nix_chix0r: net or gross? [07:18] thats after tax [07:18] ERr [07:18] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) left irc: "Leaving." [07:18] :o [07:18] before? [07:18] how do I view what groups a user is in? [07:18] ccfreak2k: id [07:18] groups [07:18] Man, it seems like all of my Linux 101 knowledge took a vacation. [07:18] id or groups is fine [07:19] now that I a bit familiar getting around slackware, can you suggest some projects or activities I could do to improve my skill on linux/slackware? [07:19] Action: compl3x still hasnt got round giving my user account shutdown privs [07:19] i pull 3k gross... but only ends up £2k after deductions [07:20] or grep /etc/group |cut -f 1 -d : [07:20] Zordrak: your a uk'er aswell o.0 [07:20] wow firebird aint in here today [07:20] atom_fox: run -current and compile your own kernel [07:20] nix_chix0r: haha yeah was thinking that earlier [07:20] guess he does sleep [07:20] compl3x: last time i checked :) [07:20] maybe he got flying pig flu [07:21] Zordrak: haha didn't realise that - south west here [07:21] it wasnt the £ was it.. it was the fact that i lose 1/3 of my pay to doductions :) [07:21] *e [07:23] naw i think he's immuned [07:23] gnaa suppose better go meet girlfriend [07:23] LOL [07:23] laters all [07:23] /lastlog firebird [07:23] -!- Irssi: /LASTLOG would print 1702 lines. If you really want to print all these lines use -force option. [07:24] rofl [07:24] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "leaving" [07:24] hhahahahah [07:24] he talksk a lot [07:24] mannnnn [07:25] 1999 mazda 626 ES 4grand only 89k [07:25] that's a good deal for all leather [07:25] ew [07:25] i'm still a cheapass i wont pay like 20grand on a car heh [07:25] what's the deas with your taste [07:25] *deal [07:25] nix_chix0r: morning [07:25] i really like the mazda millenia [07:25] and the jetta [07:25] hai tecky deer [07:26] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:26] few min i'm going to go to the gas station and fill up and drive back and when he wakes up i'll be like oh yeh. i filled the tank no big deal baby is ready to go and i'm clean and dressed [07:27] he always says i am a slowpoke [07:27] that would explain the liking for MAzda :) [07:27] Unreal ... Second Reality ... FInal Reality [07:27] zoom zoom:) [07:27] i like speedy cars [07:28] kama (n=kama@87.19.135.44) joined ##slackware. [07:28] they are having a classic car show comming up in a month it's going to be sweet all the old peeps from the vfw driving their buicks [07:29] kama (n=kama@87.19.135.44) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:30] dios_mio (i=FREELOVE@88.243.102.17) joined ##slackware. [07:30] slackware is the best [07:30] samac (n=samac@host86-168-4-215.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [07:31] yup [07:32] dios_mio: and grass is green... [07:32] dios_mio: the earth is round.. [07:32] Action: cmk_zzz is drunk [07:32] hehe [07:34] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [07:35] Action: Zordrak is stretching his mewskulls [07:41] 04:40 'o clock. [07:41] Time for slocate -u to thrash my hard drive. [07:41] Yeah I didn't need my I/O anyway. [07:43] Crystal Dream ... 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[08:18] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-124-166.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:19] Guest95834 (n=galaxy@85.9.22.231) left irc: Client Quit [08:21] prag (n=sri_user@220.225.233.209) joined ##slackware. [08:22] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-189-200.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:22] is slackware 32 bit or 64 bit [08:22] O_o [08:22] there is no mention of 32 bit or 64 bit on download page [08:22] i am new [08:23] it's 32bit [08:23] a 64bit vrsion will be available with the nexh release [08:23] ok thanks [08:23] 64 bit ports are already available, the best being slamd64 [08:23] i need 32bit [08:23] slack is your man [08:25] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [08:25] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "De profvndis clamo ad te Domine." [08:25] does slackware give you any special power or something. will it help in getting job [08:26] fgdfas (n=dfgdf@91-115-209-53.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. 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[08:27] prag: it will help you to truly understand what you're doing [08:27] sorry for asking such a blunt question .the thing is my internet speed is usually 10kB/s but today i am getting 200kB/s . so if there ever was a time to download something big .this is it for me. so i want to download something that is important [08:28] Slackware is certainly important [08:28] prag, rsync current :-) [08:28] slava_dp: i think thats a step too far for him right now [08:28] sorry, i just came in :-) [08:29] yes i didnt understand [08:29] cmk_zzz (n=martink@125-237-112-135.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:29] prag: Make sure you get the dvd iso [08:29] anshulk: it's irrelevant how he gets it [08:30] Hey he's got temporary extra bandwidth [08:30] I know how limited bandwidth feels [08:30] All he needs is cd1 2 and 3 for a full install, it will save him about 1,5 gigs of download [08:30] rsync, DVD or CDs will give him the same [08:31] but i dont see this cd1,2,3 rsync mentioned on the download page [08:31] (1.7 GB) / (200 KBps) = 2.47580444 hours [08:32] Jimmen (n=Devilman@host118-171-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:32] Definitely get the dvd... so if your net goes back to 10 KBps you can still live happily [08:32] anshulk: again... it makes NO difference [08:32] the data is the same [08:32] if he has it he has it [08:32] no the quantity of data nad download times differ [08:32] and* [08:33] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.196.54) left irc: Success [08:33] he the download page doesnot give you a choice between dvd and cd does it [08:33] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [08:33] anshulk: no. the quantity is the same.. [08:33] prag: dvd iso is only available by torrent or auto creation after rsync [08:33] Zordrak: @rsync.. no.. [08:33] ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/ [08:34] prag: There you can find the dvd iso [08:34] thank you very much. [08:34] do not use slackware.no,s iso [08:34] (4.1 GB) / (200 KBps) = 5.97105778 hours [08:35] Why those are a mirror of the official ones... [08:35] they use their own mirror script.. it has been flawed recently [08:35] miguelrios (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) joined ##slackware. [08:35] oh [08:35] Didnt know that [08:35] But there are countless mirrors hosting it [08:35] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrxmpihCjqw [08:35] if you want the DVD, use the torrent.. otherwise get the CDs or use rsync and build your own [08:36] http://www.google.co.in/search?q=%22slackware-12.2-install-dvd.iso%22+index+of [08:36] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:36] anshulk: that is the same as using a package someone else built.. it might work, but it's not recommended [08:36] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [08:37] unless you can verify it against the MD5 hash of the official dvd [08:37] CtrlAltCa (n=kvirc@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [08:37] Downloading an ISO for -current does not make sense really. If tomorrow a few packages are updated, you'll have to re-download the complete ISO again. Better to keep a local mirror in sync and create your own ISO [08:37] alienBOB: talking abouh 12.32 [08:37] *12.2 [08:37] Aren't htese people hosting the same thing you get off the torrent, Zordrak ? The md5sums are different? [08:37] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-35-37.lns3.bne1.internode.on.net) left irc: "Leaving." [08:37] these* [08:37] anshulk: not necessarily and that is preciself my point [08:38] it MIGHT be the one on the norrent, or it might be one someone else built [08:38] so use the torrent [08:38] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.127.123) joined ##slackware. [08:39] Prag: Can you download via the torrent http://slackware.com/torrents/slackware-12.2-install-dvd.torrent [08:40] the thing is i havent slept last night since iws getting such high downlaod speed i downlaoded some 100+tuorial videos.now i am really tired.so i a right now feeling like homer simpson.so will u just point me where to click and i will click [08:40] he just did [08:40] http://slackware.com/torrents/slackware-12.2-install-dvd.torrent [08:40] and i clicked. [08:40] damn.. i see that I missed an interesting conversation last night involvinb BW64 and Slamd64 [08:40] damn [08:41] K... The slackware.no md5sum is the same as the official one [08:41] got to check if torrentspeed is high as well. [08:41] Let me summarise for you: BW64 sucks donkey juice [08:41] So if torrents are slow you can deffinitely use slackware.no this time... its safe! [08:42] Dominian: And donkey juice makes you an extremely good distro with low morals... [08:42] I think thats a fair enough summary [08:42] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) joined ##slackware. [08:43] am i seeing things or do i read donkey juice [08:43] Asmadeus: what? [08:43] er.. [08:43] anshulk: what? [08:43] stop making my window flash :P [08:44] Dominian: Zordrak said BW64 sucks donkey juice [08:44] lol@ juice [08:44] ahhhh [08:44] juice: [08:44] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [08:44] :) [08:44] i am getting no speed. blocked ports damn. [08:44] So what brought the whole think of BW64 up anyway? [08:45] prag go for ftp quick! [08:45] ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/slackware-12.2-install-dvd.iso [08:45] prag: wtf is donkey juice? or do i not even want to know? [08:45] you dont want to know [08:48] Dominian: no doubt the announcement of Slackware64 [08:48] Action: anshulk is wondering why slack 12.2 was 3.9 gigs and the slack64 current dvds just 1.6 gigs... [08:48] Is xz that good? [08:48] anshulk: different package format [08:48] xz compression [08:48] yes [08:48] Action: anshulk is impressed [08:49] hence why pat went to the trouble of changing [08:49] doesn't 12.2-install include the sources as well? [08:49] while current does not? [08:49] I think the 1.7 gb iso lacks the sources...but I'm not sure [08:49] Ohhhh [08:49] That makes sense... [08:50] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.144.89) joined ##slackware. [08:50] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [08:50] yeah impressive compression. from 3.9 to 1.6 lol [08:50] lol [08:51] slack64 current 25% downloaded... I so wish I could get a better bandwidth... [08:51] slackware64-current is 3.6 gig. so yeah it lacks the source code. [08:51] Hm. 3.9gig to 1.6?!?!?!?! [08:52] You could fit sw64 and 32 in one disc. [08:52] alienBOB: can I talk to you in a pm? [08:52] Buggaboo: that MIGHT be an intention [08:52] 3.9 to 3.6 is still good considering there's gotta be quite a few more packages in the newer one... [08:52] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [08:53] Nick change: miguelrios -> likevinyl [08:53] I wonder if I should bother going from 12.2 to 13.0... [08:53] there is no 13 [08:53] not yet. [08:53] why wouldn't you? [08:53] hassle... [08:53] maybe you should wait until you know when its out [08:54] Zordrak: yeah. [08:54] But getting the new txz format to work with slack12 will be a hassle too wouldnt it? [08:54] if 12.2 suits your needs there is really no need to upgrade [08:54] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [08:55] anshulk: Ok.. i'll bite.. why in the hell would you want txz to work on 12.2? [08:55] anshulk: you'd have to rebuild a few things [08:55] pkgtools for one [08:55] you'd have to include lzma support [08:55] I'm sure if you emailed Pat, he could give you a list of the requirements to get it working. [08:55] Because I am guessing most of the community will start publishing packages in txz... [08:56] Yeah, those that publish thoste packages in .txz format are more than likely going to be using Slackware {13} [08:56] So even if he selectively wants to upgrade firefox... the new official firefox will be txz [08:56] anshulk: Do not install a package unless you built it yourself [08:56] unless Pat or Bob built it [08:56] anshulk: you should build your onw packages anyways. :P [08:56] thats Slackware 101 ffs [08:56] Or Pat releases it... [08:57] You forgot the part where we can trust official releases which will be txz [08:57] anshulk: www.slackbuilds.org [08:57] anshulk: there will never be official txz packages for older Slackware releases [08:57] Everyone wants a new shiny firefox 3.5 [08:57] there will never BE a 12.2 official release in txz! [08:57] True [08:57] anshulk: FF 3.x requires certain libs that 11.x lacked, for instance [08:58] True [08:58] .txz works great for distribution, but isn't really good for personal use when creating packages [08:58] hence my point.... there is 0 need for it on 12.2 [08:58] True... [08:58] if its a patch it will be tgz, if its 3rd party you slackbeild your own tgz [08:58] it's compression speed is about 5x slower than .tgz. there's no reason to use it on your own [08:58] So choose the hassle or shoose being able to comfortably upgrade to amarok 2... your pick [08:59] choose* [08:59] prag (n=sri_user@220.225.233.209) left ##slackware. [08:59] wait that went all wrong [08:59] it's ridiculously simple... upgrade to 13 or dont [08:59] omg, vendor lock-in thru txz! This is horrible. (Don't feed the troll, troll is just bored.) [08:59] Choos the hassle-free staying at 12.2 or choose hassle-free upgrading to amarok 2 [09:00] Buggaboo: he's awfully bored, yes [09:00] Hm. I forgot that amarok got "tweaked". [09:00] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "boring discussion today" [09:00] Buggaboo: barely [09:00] anshulk: you can rebuild the stock packages, too. [09:00] Anyone using the latest one? [09:00] yes [09:00] Action: pprkut has amarok 2.1 on 12.2. Not hassle-free though [09:01] thumbs: keyword: hassle [09:01] but i cant get the qtscript libs built properly yet.. so scripts dont work [09:01] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.22) joined ##slackware. [09:01] anshulk: barely. Takes 1-2 hours of your time [09:01] Nah, I've been a slacker for years, you'd be amazed how much work I'm willing to do to avoid work. [09:01] thumbs: barely [09:01] anshulk: and you just sit there watching code compile [09:01] thumbs: done that a lot... [09:02] anshulk: so where is the hassle? [09:02] have been compiling gsb64 for the past week [09:02] Action: Buggaboo goes browser shopping for a 64bit laptop. [09:02] Zordrak: I have a SlackBuild for qtscriptgenerator :) [09:02] pprkut: ooooooo [09:02] pprkut: plspls [09:02] thumbs: the hassle is when something that should for all reasons compile does not... [09:02] thumbs: during my first few weeks of slackware I actually enjoyed a lot watching the code compile [09:02] It happens... [09:02] mziulu: yeaj, it's fun [09:02] mziulu, watching code compile is fun after you've tweaked a slackbuild for hours.... [09:03] i got the libs compiled.. but some of the libs werent big enough suggesting something went wrong.. but dont know what... and someone elsne had an identical issue [09:03] note to self, upgrade to slack64 on the lappy [09:03] Buggaboo: indeed! [09:04] Zordrak: http://github.com/pprkut/slackbuilds-beta/tree/master (in kde4-addons) [09:04] mziulu, if you enjoy watching bunch of lines scroll up for hours and hours, then you may want to look into Gentoo [09:04] Zordrak: haven't tested it on -current yet, but it should work [09:04] mziulu, from what I hear, you get to watch lines scroll up for days [09:04] psychicist: sure, but I may not be available to answer fast. Doing all sorts of things [09:04] Arirang: there's a difference between having fun and being addicted [09:05] pprkut: im on current and amarok2.1 beta2 .. so will be a good test [09:05] alienBOB: it will be short, no problem [09:06] Arirang: ahah, I wish I had the time to work my way through another distro, but that's (sadly) not the case. Maybe I'll try it this summer or something, I've been meaning to do that for a long time. Slackware spoiled me tho, now I have high standards! [09:06] Zordrak: it takes a while to compile though (not as long as qt4, but close) [09:06] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:06] Action: Zordrak has teh speedy [09:07] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A7593A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:08] greetings [09:08] Greetings slackytude [09:08] argh [09:08] y0 anshulk [09:09] gotta downgrade this kernel so I can test a stable grsecurity patch [09:09] fun [09:09] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:10] grs == grc? [09:10] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) joined ##slackware. [09:11] what network is the other big slack channel on? [09:11] oftc [09:11] OFTC [09:11] downgrading kernels is like going back to your old car. [09:11] I tried hanging out there, but people rarely speak... at least when I was there they didn't speak much [09:11] thumbs: 2.6.27.10.. not too bad of a downgrade [09:11] Dominian: agreed. [09:11] but this is on Slackware-current which is 2.6.29.2 right now [09:12] Action: Dominian tried the 2.6.29.3 kernel with "unstable" grsecurity.. it puked :) [09:13] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:14] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [09:15] hmm, i didn't realize there was actually a VT-branded product on sourceforge: vtcalendar.sf.net [09:21] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:21] greetings from northern Canada, slackers:) [09:21] sidmario (n=sidmario@201-92-115-31.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:21] y0 hitest [09:22] hiya slackytude:) [09:22] how goes it? [09:22] still alive... [09:22] how are you? [09:22] yeah..... [09:22] I am well ty [09:23] TGIF!! [09:23] hitest: ++ [09:23] TGIF? [09:23] the git is fubar? [09:23] gonna have a few cold ones today after work with some buddies:) [09:24] thank god its friday (TGIF) [09:24] ah [09:24] TANJ [09:24] Zordrak: :) [09:25] TANJ? :) [09:25] TANJ? The arsesphincter not jizzed? [09:25] lol [09:25] I think I went to far there... [09:26] Ha-ha [09:26] There Aint No Justice [09:26] ah [09:26] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-5c2828cce699fbed) left irc: [09:26] ty [09:26] lin723 (n=lin@113.252.255.135) joined ##slackware. [09:26] FTSIWGH [09:26] RickyFloW (n=fl0w@200samana86.codetel.net.do) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:26] heh-heh [09:26] RickyFloW (n=fl0w@200.88.86.200) joined ##slackware. [09:27] RickyFloW (n=fl0w@200.88.86.200) left irc: Client Quit [09:27] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:27] Zordrak, 'FTSIWGH' looks like a challeng... [09:27] +e [09:28] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@200.140.247.98) joined ##slackware. [09:28] f*ck the signature in ways god hopes? [09:28] i think hitest is on my wavelength :) [09:28] btw, any deity may suffice, also it may be plural [09:28] :) [09:28] first to say it will get high-five [09:28] I should get back to work... [09:29] fgdfas (n=dfgdf@91-115-209-53.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Leaving" [09:29] Action: Buggaboo attempts to get back to work, but finds himself staring at hot laptop machines [09:29] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@118.208.35.37) joined ##slackware. [09:33] 17", amd dual core, 4gb, machine €800.-, steep. [09:33] ewww... vista pre-installed. [09:34] Buggaboo: wipe it [09:34] should be enough to run vista [09:34] I don't understand why there isn't an 'away' in that [09:34] 'away from', even [09:35] heh [09:35] Action: Buggaboo goes to get some soft tissue paper [09:35] lin723 (n=lin@113.252.255.135) left irc: "Leaving" [09:36] nah, but I probably couldn't get a 'pre-wiped' machine could I? [09:36] biab [09:37] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) left ##slackware. [09:38] good morning [09:38] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-94-42-22-92.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:41] klein (n=klein@unaffiliated/klein) joined ##slackware. [09:41] I wonder how's the support for these things: radeon mobile 3*** thingies. [09:42] acer aspire model type 8530G-723G32MN [09:42] €730.- [09:43] Action: agentc0re yawns [09:43] Morning all [09:43] google for it [09:43] morning agentc0re [09:44] what is this... google that you speak of? ;) [09:44] hola slackytude :) [09:49] this is quite disturbing http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/22/0622222&from=rss [09:50] hey... we have a great slackware-based distro better than slamd64 called: Bluewhite64. Look it all !! bye bye [09:50] o.O [09:50] Action: agentc0re slaps AbsTradELic [09:50] AbsTradELic: You do realize that trolling is bannable ? [09:50] does anyone here have domains registered with namecheap.com? i can't find out what the deal with nameservers is [09:50] better? He used all of slamd64's stuff [09:51] and broke slackware's licensing [09:51] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:51] and now Slackware64 has arrived, so no more BlueWhite64 is needed :) [09:51] 1) steal a toolchain; 2) sed 's/slackware/bluewhite64/g' *.SlackBuild, 3) TRY TO PROFIT [09:52] people actually used bluewhite? [09:53] thrice`, no, no, no ! 2) is completely wrong ! you need to take the case into consideration :D [09:54] agentc0re, that looks like it gets thrown out the first time its tested in courts [09:54] morning :) [09:54] Dominian: pm? [09:54] Copland (n=chatzill@209.241.118.121) joined ##slackware. [09:54] evo- (n=evo@a89-182-211-200.net-htp.de) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [09:54] morning frullet [09:55] tecky: is a nooblet lol [09:55] slackytude, yeah some [09:55] i use it [09:55] Zordrak: sure [09:55] I would love to put slackware on my work pc but DTV said no [09:56] Camarade_Tux: :D [09:56] Nick change: greymaus1 -> greymaus [09:56] AbsTradELic: By the way, trolling like you just did, doesn't make BW64 look "good." It makes you look like an ass along with the project. [09:56] oh, we are up again. [09:56] again troll about slack64, slamd64 and bw64 [09:57] yep [09:57] Action: Dominian predicted this stuff yesterday btw [09:57] well, didn't you get bored of it? [09:57] your predictive power always leaves me amazed [09:57] I'm not the one who trolled stybla [09:57] but i guess you're able to talk about it for days, may be weeks :) [09:57] stybla: redirect your bitching to AbsTradELic [09:58] Dominian: you !=> singular in english, you know. [09:58] Didnt we get enough trolls for slamd64 on /. [10:00] klein (n=klein@unaffiliated/klein) left irc: "Leaving" [10:00] Copland: obviously, it's very good material :P [10:00] Copland: never.. you can never have enough trolls on /. [10:00] that wasn't even a troll, a troll is backed by more facts :) [10:00] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:00] trolls and facts? [10:00] they carry clubs, usually [10:00] Camarade_Tux: ok ok, a "failed" trolling? is that better? [10:00] They usually stink [10:00] slackytude: well, the truth is sometimes called trolling ;) [10:01] well, s/facts/sentences/ ;) [10:01] guard bridges. [10:01] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:01] the truth is out there [10:01] Action: slackytude points [10:01] Dominian, yeah, AbsTradELic was a failed trolling :p [10:01] Action: Dominian nods [10:02] s/was a failed trolling/is a failure [10:02] he is just FAIL [10:02] /lastlog | grep troll | wc -l : integer overflow [10:02] haha [10:02] ok [10:02] I think we can redirect to slackware matters now. [10:02] :) [10:02] i still dont know what there trolling about. [10:03] all they do is scream slamd64 [10:03] who does? [10:03] and why do i even ask? :( [10:03] No one has screamed slamd64 [10:04] N3mZ (i=501@unaffiliated/nemesis128) left ##slackware ("--> []"). [10:04] slamd64 users aren't trolling usually (I haven't seen any do actually) [10:04] The argument was trolling another distro in this channel [10:04] Tyrael_ (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:04] had nothing to do with slamd64 [10:06] anyway, slamd64 will still live for some time because of its out-of-the-box 32bit compatibility, now, bluewhite64... [10:07] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:07] Camarade_Tux: Well its already been tested.. you can take aaa_elflibs32 from slamd64 and install it.. and run "some" 32bit stuff.. the rest is still being tested. [10:07] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:07] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089079179132.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:08] hello :-) [10:08] hey macavity [10:08] hey macavity :) [10:08] macavity: hell it is. [10:08] heh [10:08] eylau ? [10:08] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [10:09] Supergrilo (n=Fabio@200.234.208.233) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:10] y0 macavity [10:11] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:11] i really suck at searching mail archives/bugzillas to see if "my" bug has been discussed/reported [10:11] I was reading slash dot aritcle comments there was alot of slamd64 trolling [10:12] not bad amount but they feel jilted some how [10:12] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [10:12] i can never think of any other words/phrases to search for [10:12] Copland: fred posted a very good conclution at the end of that [10:14] is there some coop between slackware64 and slamd64? [10:14] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:14] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:15] yes.. fred walked the long mile to cover the ground work [10:15] holy shit!! [10:15] Dominian: ? [10:15] !?!?!?!?!?!?! Its amazing what you FIND when you just "try" something! [10:15] ?!? [10:15] dude! [10:16] could you be a little more specific? :P [10:16] in a second.. I'm doing a triple/quadruple take [10:16] macavity: good. [10:16] I have to make SURE this is right... [10:16] aaagh [10:16] the suspense is killing me! [10:17] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.144.89) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [10:18] still checking ! wait one [10:18] anshulk_ (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) joined ##slackware. [10:19] one [10:19] two [10:19] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [10:19] dude [10:19] DUDE! [10:19] three boxes of beer on the wall [10:19] DuDE! [10:20] dont dude me dude! :P [10:20] finger fred@slackware.com! [10:20] macavity: :D [10:20] Dominian: WOW [10:20] so? [10:21] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.83.223) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:21] :D [10:21] Dominian: .... [10:21] you were beaten by several hours by an anonymous coward on /. [10:21] yes yes.. that's where I saw it! [10:21] :D [10:21] i think we can safely conclude that there IS slamd64 <-> slackware64 collaboration ;-) [10:21] sauce? [10:21] thrice`: wazabi sauce? [10:21] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [10:21] i dont know about anyone else.. but im confused [10:22] heey [10:22] Zordrak: i didn't even get the joke, if that makes you feel better ;) [10:22] (i got the msg, but it confused we) [10:22] Zordrak: confusion stems from the fact that your level of awareness and/or level of oversight does not meet your expectations [10:22] evo- (n=evo@a89-182-214-202.net-htp.de) joined ##slackware. [10:23] hey macavity - hows libelf going? [10:23] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:23] compl3x: to hell! :P [10:23] compl3x: i gave up for the moment [10:23] y0 compl3x [10:23] macavity: haha given up [10:23] ah right [10:23] hey slackytude [10:23] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:23] i never can give up for ong [10:23] *loning [10:23] *LONG! [10:23] damnit [10:24] heh [10:24] haha if I give up - by time i go back to it i forget what I was doing [10:24] oh [10:24] that doesnt sound good.. how do you manage to keep long term projects alive? [10:24] macavity: by leaving myself notes :p [10:25] yes lots and lots of sticky notes [10:25] haha fred Plan: Lemons [10:25] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [10:25] compl3x: what does the note on the inside of your wallet say? :P [10:25] "clean up code" wtf wrote that? oh, yeah, it was me [10:25] Action: compl3x doesn't get it :p [10:25] slackytude: I leave myself todos like that :p [10:25] so do I [10:26] or todo: fix the blah blah before it gets blahyer :p [10:26] every project has a CHANGELOG.TXT and a TODO.TXT as a minimum [10:26] compl3x: it *should* say "dont spend my money, i need them!" :P [10:26] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [10:26] macavity: if you dont spend it, why do you need it ;) [10:26] I have no projects running atm [10:26] compl3x: in my world there is a big difference between having amounts deducted, and spending some :P [10:27] macavity: semms i was just a minute or two behind in the head [10:27] macavity: fair enough [10:27] Zordrak: pwnd by the sick humor of the ##slackware collective :P [10:27] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [10:27] the slackware collective? [10:28] slackytude: you'r in it [10:28] We are Slackeware. Resistance is futile [10:28] YAY! [10:28] or probably [10:28] We are the Slackeware. Resistance is futile [10:28] oh, there's a "you will be assimilated" missing [10:28] Your cultural and technological advantages will be assimilated [10:29] We are the Slackware. You will be installpkg'ed. Resistance is futile! [10:29] heh [10:29] marchhare (n=marchhar@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:29] All your pkgtools are belong to us [10:29] hiptobecubic (n=john@68.143.173.73.nw.nuvox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:29] Prepare to be boarded or we will explodepkg you [10:29] btw, resistence is not futile [10:30] resistance is U/I [10:30] macavity: damn you -beet me XD [10:30] macavity, what an horrible pun [10:30] There can be only one. [10:30] macavity: U? [10:31] volts [10:31] aka current [10:31] Yeah I know - just not heard it called U before [10:31] elderK (n=zk@122-57-252-54.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [10:31] huh? [10:31] Its an SI unit [10:31] compl3x: U=R*I is the SI units [10:32] <_arfon_> shakes head [10:32] elderK (n=zk@122-57-252-54.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Client Quit [10:32] macavity: okay [10:32] slackytude: did you just say "volts aka current"? [10:32] <_arfon_> WTF is U? [10:32] Im sick [10:32] <_arfon_> Uolts? [10:32] U isn't a SI unit, V is [10:32] _arfon_: s/U/V/ [10:32] macavity: R=V/I [10:32] <_arfon_> Earth killer? [10:33] <_arfon_> SUVs [10:33] macavity: just never heard it being called U before [10:33] <_arfon_> R=EMF/I [10:33] there's U=V/sqrt(3) too (iirc) [10:33] <_arfon_> or R= EMF* 1/U [10:34] <_arfon_> Ha I f'd up there [10:34] <_arfon_> R=EMF*1/I [10:34] cmon peopl/e... wheres the current pun?! [10:34] <_arfon_> It met resistance [10:34] boo [10:35] <_arfon_> [looks around] [10:35] _arfon_, [ in bed ] [10:35] thrice`++, Zordrak--, _arfon_ -- [10:35] lol [10:35] <_arfon_> I WISH [10:35] Camarade_Tux: buh? [10:35] <_arfon_> <---tired puppy [10:35] <_arfon_> "--" is a good thing right???? [10:35] Zordrak, well, for the pun [10:35] <_arfon_> Getting l=closer to #1 [10:36] okay.....see you folks later:) off to work. [10:36] Action: compl3x needs a project to work on - any suggestions? [10:36] laters hitest [10:36] see ya hitest [10:36] compl3x, my electronics project ? [10:36] bye hitest [10:36] <_arfon_> write me a replacement for inted [10:36] Camarade_Tux: haha sure :p [10:36] later compl3x, slackytude, Camarade_Tux:) [10:36] <_arfon_> Take xinet and make it better [10:36] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:37] Camarade_Tux: what you working on? [10:37] Action: macavity was pwned by the sick humor of the ##slackware collective [10:37] fred: you on IM? [10:37] compl3x, quite easy : displaying a 10s countdown [10:37] using what? [10:38] Camarade_Tux: counting down from 10? [10:38] Camarade_Tux: Binary or Decimal? [10:38] <_arfon_> Octal [10:38] <_arfon_> 08 [10:38] <_arfon_> 07 [10:38] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [10:38] <_arfon_> 06 [10:38] <_arfon_> ... [10:38] compl3x, binary [10:38] Dominian: finger volkerdi@slackware.com :P [10:39] Camarade_Tux: What using ? CMOS/ AVR/Pics? .. [10:39] the plan is to add a buzzer for the countdown [10:39] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:39] <_arfon_> um, why not just use a 7490? [10:39] martian (n=martianx@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [10:39] Camarade_Tux: easiest thing I can think of is a simple 555 for a timer and a 4017- but i dont know if you can count backwards with that [10:40] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [10:40] just a bunch of flip flops and a timer ^-^ [10:40] compl3x, clock, a few gates, it's pretty low-level [10:40] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:40] but it's very hard for me to put it into english =/ [10:40] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:40] Camarade_Tux: nice [10:41] Dominian: yup, {msn,jabber}@fredemmott.co.uk [10:41] Camarade_Tux, got any simulation software? [10:41] screw simulation software :p [10:41] compl3x: ++ [10:41] slackytude, we have pspice and another software which name I forgot (never used it yet) [10:41] you cant simulate a cold solder anyhow :P [10:42] Ok, im out for the (extended) weekend people.. catch you on the flip side [10:42] breadboard it [10:42] uh, hows that in good english: "a solder" or "a soldering" or what? [10:42] Camarade_Tux, you'll wire this on your own or your have on of those boards where you can plug stuff in? [10:42] have a nice weekend Zordrak [10:42] fred: Yeah I know.. you on like.. right now? [10:42] Action: Dominian doesn't see you [10:42] slackytude, we'll have a breadboard [10:43] and if needed, I have one myself (plus an arduino :) ) [10:43] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.122.76) joined ##slackware. [10:43] Camarade_Tux: I hacked my arduino- now its just an avrisp programmer [10:43] chaplja| (n=PabloXav@unaffiliated/chaplja/x-3420176) joined ##slackware. [10:43] crap.. I know why [10:43] then I'll port slackware to avr8 and run it on the arduino :D [10:43] heh [10:43] Camarade_Tux: you got a deciemela? [10:43] can i hack the internet with slackware [10:43] compl3x, duemilanove [10:44] Camarade_Tux: n00b :p [10:44] Dominian: yes I am :| [10:44] about one year old [10:44] compl3x, why ? [10:44] Camarade_Tux: was joking [10:44] compl3x :P [10:44] fred: I see you now [10:44] fred: has to do with my google apps setup.. [10:44] can i hack the internet with slackware [10:45] yep [10:45] chaplja|, you hack even hack the NSA and fake it was the CIA ! \o/ [10:45] chaplja|: no, you can hack the internet if you read a lot of manual [10:45] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:45] thank you [10:45] man hackinternet [10:45] chaplja|: BackTrack is a good hacking distro [10:45] Action: Zordrak puts one foot back in the door to give massive thanks to pprkut for passing him the qtscriptgenerator slackbuild [10:46] chaplja|: all the really hardcore scriptkiddies use that one [10:46] macavity: ITYM ubuntu [10:46] Amarok 2.1 Beta2 (aka 2.0.96) with working scripts on -current 32bit [10:46] macavity, I thought they were using 1337buntu ! [10:46] macavity: BackTrack isn't Slackware-based anymore [10:46] peaceandimout [10:46] sitwon: i dont care.. i just want that luser out of here [10:47] ban? [10:47] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [10:47] no reason to yet [10:47] macavity: wait - was the guy serious? :S [10:47] I'm guessing (hoping) chaplja| was just joking [10:47] compl3x: yes.. we get a couple if those every time slackware has been mentioned on slashdot [10:48] macavity: haha I thought he was joking [10:48] macavity haha :p [10:48] chaplja| (n=PabloXav@unaffiliated/chaplja/x-3420176) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:48] \o/ [10:51] I usually tell them to use gentoo [10:51] <_arfon_> Awww, you guys hurt the 1337 haxorz feelings... [10:52] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-57-152.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [10:52] <_arfon_> He was just tryinh to learn how to "hack internet" [10:52] <_arfon_> trying even [10:52] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89.180.188.249) joined ##slackware. [10:52] we should point them to reactos or haiku :) [10:53] Camarade_Tux: the BackTrack community will probably laught him to death :P [10:53] *laugh [10:53] there are worse fates [10:53] ... or fry is cable modem :P [10:54] *his [10:54] l [10:54] macavity, not your spelling day [10:55] but with haiky or reactos, he'd probably end up with an unusable system :) [10:55] (haiky is actually very stabl)e [10:55] hxp [10:55] slackytude: i am only slurping through the seccond cup of coffee [10:55] understandable [10:55] yosii_ (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [10:59] briareus_ (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:00] Supergrilo (n=Fabio@200.234.208.233) joined ##slackware. [11:00] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-272a12eecb834eac) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [11:01] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:02] Im now running compiz fusion all the time at work [11:02] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:02] I put expose and some other stuff on mouse buttons [11:02] how do i take a file and remove everything under 8 char? [11:02] alicephilippa (n=alice@217.146.125.17) joined ##slackware. [11:02] jeev: you want to remove all words under 8 char in length from the contents of the file ? [11:02] since I have most of my virtual desktops open with RDP sessions of windows machines, I click button, select win machine, click button again and Im there [11:03] yea [11:03] I do this mainly to annoy the windows sysadmin [11:03] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.16.87) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:03] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [11:03] I've been looking for a good dock application for my xfce on slackware. Could anyone suggest which is one of the best, because there are so many apps around [11:04] define best [11:04] tooly (n=theo@e178186018.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:04] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.103) joined ##slackware. [11:04] dock application? [11:05] atom_fox, I've been looking for one too, there are a few that work with physics. [11:05] that is to say, you can waste tons of time poking at the buttons. [11:06] just google: "app launcher linux physics" or something [11:09] list of app launchers: http://liquidweather.net/howto/index.php?id=111 [11:10] if you're hell-bent on avoiding getting work done (one of the probable reasons why you chose slackware as your distro), get one with physics. [11:11] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:11] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.43.118) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:12] jeev: open the file in vim and try a :%s/.{1,8}//g [11:12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsxaMyFV2Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fliquidweather.net%2Fhowto%2Findex.php%3Fid%3D111&feature=player_embedded [11:12] now that's a docked app-launcher. [11:13] jeev: sorry :%s/[a-zA-Z]{1,8}//g [11:14] %s ? [11:14] what does that do? [11:14] heh vim [11:14] anshulk_, they're HUGE files. [11:14] replace all [11:14] sed then [11:14] you define a range first in vim [11:14] % is the whole file [11:14] ah. [11:14] hmm [11:14] in sed you just do s. [11:15] I'm quite ignorant about the workings of vim... can't grok modality. [11:15] ln -sf nano vim [11:15] ;) [11:15] hellu [11:15] cat file | sed -r "s/\<.{1,7}\>//g" > result_file [11:15] what does -r do? [11:16] ... that catches any -'s and other stuff mid-word as well [11:16] Buggaboo, as long as you dont use emacs [11:16] sed -n '/^.\{8\}/p' [11:16] sed -i "s/pattern/result/g" infilechanges [11:16] -r enables extended regular expressions [11:16] jeev: that will only deal with words at the beginning of a line [11:17] what do {} <- these do in sed's regexp? [11:17] Buggaboo: man sed :) [11:17] ugh. [11:17] haha [11:17] hmm [11:17] rk4n3, have you tried reading it? :P [11:17] Buggaboo: of course, many times - still read it quite often :) [11:18] brb [11:19] martian (n=martianx@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:21] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:22] rk4n3, you have super man sed reading powers. [11:22] okay, so I found out that you can group with {}. [11:22] :) [11:23] ... actually, its probably more idiot-repetitive-over-20-years powers, given my tiny little critter brain [11:23] :) [11:24] http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html#uh-35 <- find this to be more revealing [11:24] {} is cute but this also works "sed -i "regexp0;regexp1;regexp2" target [11:25] dunno if this is officially sanctioned by the powers that be. [11:25] hey, whatever works in a "sound" manner ... [11:25] regular expressions are anything but sound [11:26] .. not to mention proven ambigous [11:26] "sound" meaning its not likely to have hidden gotcha's that end up erasing your pr0n collection or similar valuable stored stuff [11:26] anyone got a regexp to validate email :P [11:26] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [11:27] I have a regexp that runs for office of the President of the United States ... it won, too :) [11:27] heh [11:28] slackytude: http://ex-parrot.com/~pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html [11:28] but I could also imagine this to be more precise: sed -i 'line-nr-start, line-nr-end { /betweenpattern0/, /untilpattern1/, { put your seds here } }' [11:28] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:29] grahrahaha [11:29] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:30] macavity, that's just horrible. [11:30] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-180-201-213.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [11:30] I'd almost call that code art. [11:30] <_arfon_> Anyone know how to verify a clonezilla made image WITHOUT reinstalling to a harddisc? [11:31] macavity, that code could win obfuscation prizes... [11:31] Buggaboo: ive seen simpler ones.. the problem is that a valid e-mail adress is not on the form user@domain.ext [11:31] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089079179132.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:31] Buggaboo: if you study RFC822 you will see that e-mail adresses are actually rather complex [11:32] macavity: you called? :p [11:32] i did? [11:32] was a joke :p dw [11:32] ah, yes i did [11:32] enough geeking around, I'm going home! [11:32] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.103) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:32] l8rz [11:33] i'm hungry [11:33] Buggaboo (n=Buggab00@a83-163-47-192.adsl.xs4all.nl) left irc: "Leaving" [11:33] macavity: simple recipe, k go! [11:33] spook: ++ same [11:33] fried egg time [11:34] spook: 5 eggs, two carrots, a handfull of bacon dices, some curry, if you have a little rice from yesterday that works too [11:34] LyleM (n=LyleM@adsl-69-155-105-178.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [11:35] 5 eggs? [11:35] hiptobecubic (n=john@68.143.173.73.nw.nuvox.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:35] spook: heat wok -> add oil -> add bacon -> stir till semicrisp -> add grinded carrots -> stir -> add 5tsp of water, with the curry disoleved -> stir violently -> add rice -> add eggs -> stir till eggs are stiff and in small lumps [11:36] any kind of veggie works in it [11:36] any kind of meat can be added after the bacon [11:36] macavity, when will you drop off the food to me ? [11:36] macavity: mice? [11:36] jeev: nevarz! [11:36] mmm mice [11:36] spook: if you have.. just remove fur and bones [11:37] heh there's a video of a snapping turtle tearing a mouse apart on youtube [11:37] theres no fur in mice? [11:37] sad [11:37] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:37] macavity: can you email me that? [11:37] spook: the above? [11:37] ya [11:37] why dont you just copy/paste it to a text document? [11:38] lol [11:38] oh yeah... [11:38] it is good with brokoli too [11:38] yay. [11:38] now i emailed to myself and gf [11:39] was it not subtle enough, emailing a recipe to my gf? [11:39] spook, your gf just forwarded it to me and said "that's what im cooking for you tonight baby" [11:39] Anyone here who uses AWN on his slackware [11:39] jeev: whatever. [11:39] lol [11:39] atom_fox: jeev does, ask him all the questions you can in pm [11:40] LOL [11:40] atom_fox, he's lying.. [11:40] atom_fox: hes just lazy, ask him in pm and he'll help you [11:40] anshulk_ (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) left irc: Client Quit [11:40] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-180-201-213.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [11:41] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) joined ##slackware. [11:41] jeev is all right to talk to you in private? [11:41] atom_fox: yeah it is [11:41] jeev? [11:41] you could talk to me in a private but i dont even know what AWN is [11:41] hes lying. [11:42] spook, your girl is texting me now, sometimes she doesn't know when to stop, i told her to wear some nice lingerie [11:42] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-180-201-213.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [11:42] she said she wants to bring another girl [11:42] Avant Window Navigator [11:42] negative atom_fox, i dont truly use slackware, just on one server [11:42] ok thanks anyway [11:42] no prob, sorry [11:43] jeev: fag. [11:43] never! [11:43] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:43] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:43] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [11:44] CmdLnKid (n=clk@99.19.41.37) joined ##slackware. [11:45] giuppy (n=giuppy@87.13.170.92) joined ##slackware. [11:45] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-180-201-213.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Client Quit [11:45] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-180-201-213.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [11:47] atom_fox: why do you want to use AWN? [11:47] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:48] i'm looking for a good dock apps for my slack.. been choosing between kiba-dock and AWN [11:48] ... [11:48] go use a mac. [11:48] Action: sitwon never liked the doc metaphor much [11:48] s/doc/dock/ [11:49] are you having a specific problem w/ it? [11:50] atom_fox, kiba-dock in xfce? [11:51] Karu (n=alch@78-28-85-64.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [11:51] is it not possible? [11:51] I was asking you that :D [11:52] but Im guessing it is, as long as you have kde libs [11:52] umislack (i=1000@58.64.94.18) joined ##slackware. [11:52] does it look good is a different question, tho [11:52] then it will start dog slow.. [11:52] nah [11:52] but I'm having problems where to start... [11:53] also... I don't understand why *every* dock wants to be at the bottom of the screen... just because Apple does that way doesn't me everyone wants it there [11:53] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [11:53] I wanted to install kiba-dock on my slackware but there is no instructions how to do it on slackware... only for ubuntu, debian, fedora... where should I start? [11:53] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-164-37.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:53] can you link me to the page? [11:53] atom_fox: download ubuntu or debian or fedora.... [11:53] I saw no download section on kiba site [11:54] http://wiki.awn-project.org/ [11:54] seriously, go use a mac and start wearing a turtleneck [11:54] http://www.kiba-dock.org/ [11:54] I had this too but don't know which to use... [11:56] the closest thing to a dock I use is wbar... at the _top_ of my screen [11:56] eh, kiba-dock looks like svn aplha [11:56] and it's really just a launcher [11:57] seriously, go use a mac and start wearing a turtleneck. [11:57] LyleM (n=LyleM@adsl-69-155-105-178.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:57] Southern (i=southern@cnq41-218.cablevision.qc.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [11:57] spook: he'll just put Slackware on his Mac and come back here... [11:58] if he manages to put vanilla slackware on his mac i dont think he will need much help [11:58] macs are intel now. [11:58] x86 [11:58] ive been led to belive that getting EFI support right is a bitch [11:58] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:59] spook: that's the least of the problem [11:59] spook: they dont have an IBM PC style BIOS [11:59] so? [11:59] <_arfon_> Don't they have a hack for the BOIS prob that pissed off Apple a while back? [11:59] so the slackware isos wont boot [12:00] <_arfon_> BIOS [12:00] ask straterra about it [12:00] macavity: netboot? [12:00] <_arfon_> Boot camp I think? [12:00] <_arfon_> I can't remember the stink [12:01] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_Interface [12:02] Agiofws_ (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427151.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [12:02] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427151.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:02] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.122.76) left irc: "Leaving" [12:02] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:03] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:04] Alaric` (n=alaric@babcom.com) joined ##slackware. [12:06] using bootcamp or something you can do it [12:07] lol.. "OpenVMS Source Model: Closed" :P [12:07] some idiots ought to have been strangled in their navel cord... [12:08] Nick change: neonflux_^ -> neonflux [12:08] rrr, now I have this mental image of a bunch of turtleneck- and birkenstock-wearing mac-using wannabe hippies being yelled at by a drill sergeant... "All right you maggots! So you want to run Linux, do you?" ...."Sir! Yes sir!" [12:08] anyone happen to know what specific steps I need to take to do a CIFS install of Slackware 12.2 on a Thinkpad 600E via a Xircom PCMCIA Ethernet card? I have the pcmcia modules and xirc2ps_cs loaded, but I still don't seem to have an eth0 device to configure [12:09] toastytoast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [12:09] Action: Alaric` waves at macavity ... there can't be too many different Danes with that nick :) [12:09] Urchlay: i could see that as a 3rd generation of the "i'm a PC and i'm a Mac"-commercials [12:09] Alaric`: run "network" [12:10] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.196) joined ##slackware. [12:10] Alaric`: ifconfig -a? [12:10] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-189-200.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [12:11] macavity: makes me glad I never generations 1 and 2 then I guess [12:11] network script says no card detected [12:11] been avoiding TV with commercials for a looong time now [12:11] y0 Urchlay [12:11] slackytude [12:11] Alaric`: module already loaded? [12:11] ifconfig -a should do something [12:11] yeah. do I need to unload the module and rerun network? [12:12] nope [12:12] what up? [12:12] it is probably not supported [12:12] (not me, not yet, only on 1st cup of coffee...) [12:12] PCMCIA cards are PnP aware [12:12] unless its a 16 bit card [12:13] think so, yeah, I think it's a 10Mbit card [12:13] (I don't remember for sure) [12:13] oh fuck that then. [12:13] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-189-200.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:13] spend $100 and get a newer laptop that has inbuilt network [12:13] Alaric`: i need the specific version to give you anything real [12:14] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:14] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:14] nater (n=nater@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:14] Hello everyone. :) [12:14] hey firebird619 , hows it going? [12:14] greetings firebird619, whats a shaking? [12:14] nater (n=nater@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:14] Hey compl3x, going great, thanks. You? [12:15] "Xircom Creditcard Ethernet Adapter IIPS", PS-CE2-10, 16-bit card [12:15] firebird619: its good thanks [= [12:15] Hey slackytude, how's it going? [12:15] in theory I have a 3Com 10/100 card around here someplace, if I can just find it [12:16] Hopefully, I'll have better luck today with all the issues I'm having with programs, etc. not working. [12:16] firebird619, still alive and better than yesterday but still kinda ill. [12:16] nice excuse to do some serious IRC'ing tho [12:16] i'm hungry [12:17] Action: firebird619 hands spook some food. :) [12:17] also have a couple of wireless cards I could use, that I haven't tried yet, a Netgear WPC54Gv2 and a Lucent Orinoco WaveLAN Silver [12:17] spook: thanks to you I just fried some eggs and made a mess of the kitchen [12:17] more cleaning ]= [12:17] lol [12:17] wireless doesnt work for the installer [12:17] compl3x: not me, macavity [12:17] spook: ah my bad [12:18] orinoco silver = old as the hills by now? [12:18] Hey Urchlay [12:18] but well supported [12:18] yeah, pretty old [12:18] (or anyway I have the bronze version, very well supported) [12:18] fbird [12:18] i have 2 APs, that have two orinoco gold cards each [12:18] Problem #1, claws-mail -- can't bind to /tmp/claws-mail-1000: Address already in use [12:18] CtrlAltCa (n=kvirc@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [12:18] it's not a big deal, worst case I burn the other two install CDs and install from CD [12:18] did it die of a segfault or kill -9 or something? [12:19] Urchlay: nope [12:19] Alaric`: did you use insmod or modprobe when you loaded xirc2ps_cs? [12:19] but I was kinda hoping to try out the new Samba install feature :) [12:19] did you rm -f that file (domain socket actually) and try again? [12:19] mac: modprobe [12:19] :-/ [12:19] it SHOULD work [12:19] you can install bare [12:19] Urchlay: That's one of the problems I'm having, these things just popped up out of the blue. [12:19] get it running, get ethernet going [12:19] then install the rest [12:19] its been supported at least since 2004 [12:19] Urchlay: no I didn't. I will try that and hope for the best. [12:19] Hi macavity [12:20] Ugh, pcmanfm still won't start either. :( [12:20] hmm wonder if theres a terminal image viewer .. [12:20] well, it's always possible there *is* something wrong with the card after all ... but it was working last time I tried to use it. Ubuntu was at least visibly sending packets from it, but a TP600E trying to run ubuntu is so slow it's not even funny. [12:21] ubuntu isn't funny. [12:21] it is [12:21] slackytude: depending on what way you look at it [12:21] using it isnt funny [12:21] slackytude: tis what i meant [12:21] Wooot, that fixed claws-mail. Thanks Urchlay [12:21] Alaric`: you *might* want to run 11.0 on that box [12:21] Action: Alaric` nods ... I personally wouldn't be touching ubuntu, but it's not my laptop :p [12:22] heh. [12:22] Alaric`: a lot of stuff that ancient stuff just stops working on 2.6 kernels [12:22] yeah, it was working fine with 11.0 before [12:22] then the SO decided she wanted kubuntu on it [12:22] go for 11 then [12:22] lol. [12:22] revert to a 2.4 kernel based distro then [12:22] because kubuntu is Shiny [12:22] crawled to a halt. [12:22] Die. [12:22] pretty much [12:22] kde would absolutely chug liquid balls [12:23] Alaric`: then try "i can haz driver fixed for 2.6 plz?" on the kernel mailing list [12:23] frankly, I'm tired of trying to keep the machine alive anyway [12:23] Alaric`: *maybe* some dev just say "run this test script and mail me the output.. i dont have that hardware anymore" [12:23] ah, ok [12:23] Alaric`: spend $100 get her a decent thing [12:23] right now, it has a dead trackpoint and a dead sound chipset [12:23] ok, set it on fire [12:24] you dont even have to tell her that you did it on purpose [12:24] by the time I buy those and get'em shipped to me, I might as well jsut buy a nice T23 [12:24] alicephilippa (n=alice@217.146.125.17) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:24] rip the ram hdd and wireless if it has it [12:24] i have a t23 and t22 [12:24] still running. [12:24] but if I set it on fire I can't part it out on eBay ;) [12:24] one of them got to 420 days [12:24] kalib (n=kalib@200.253.26.151) joined ##slackware. [12:24] yeah, RAM and disk are good, no internal wireless [12:25] Hi guys, what's the "current" kernel in slack? [12:25] 2.6.29.2? [12:25] 2.6.29.2 [12:25] changelog tells all [12:25] yes.. i am still waiting for .3 [12:25] ;] thanks [12:25] just parted out a dead Vaio someone gave us, too [12:25] as it supposedly has drm fixes for 945GM [12:26] dead as a doornail, but has a perfectly functional 60GB disk in it and a nice Intel mini-PCI wireless card [12:26] you dont want drm macavity [12:26] yay, pcmanfm works now too. Again something in /tmp messing things up. [12:26] spook: Direct Rendering Module [12:26] spook: the other side of Direct Rendering Interface [12:27] spook: drm<->dri [12:27] macavity: you've been brainwashed :P [12:27] kalib (n=kalib@200.253.26.151) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:27] they are sneaking drm into the kernel. [12:27] uhm, not "sneaking" as it has been there for 7 years [12:28] its worse than i thought! [12:28] :P [12:28] so, they *snuck* it in [12:28] I had all kinds of trouble with the Intel drm on a Tyan board with an Intel 82845G/GL chipset [12:28] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:29] never did get the module to build right [12:29] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-94-42-22-92.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:29] dogsoul (i=doggy@dogsoul.org) left irc: "changing servers" [12:29] the 845 is all but discontinued [12:29] firebird619: the trouble is, whatever happened to cause that problem, hasn't been fixed (could happen again, whatever it is) [12:29] eventually just built the driver without dri [12:30] well, yeah, this is hand-me-down hardware [12:30] mmmm apple pie custard icecream [12:30] oh wait.. [12:30] no, it is still in active development [12:30] Urchlay: yeah, any idea what the cause maybe. Any certain things I should check out? [12:30] they just added support for hardware mouse cursor it seems :P [12:30] no idea, I don't even know what claws-mail does :) [12:30] claws-mail is an e-mail client. :) [12:30] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:31] Urchlay: it shreds your mail with its sharp claws [12:31] pcmanfm had the same issue though. I had to remove something in tmp to get it working. [12:31] macavity: lol [12:31] macavity: it's fun to watch too. :P [12:31] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427151.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:33] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:33] macavity: on a scale of 1 to 10, how unhealthy is apple pie custard icecream [12:34] 6.5 :P [12:36] well, later [12:36] less healthy than regular ice cream, more healthy than frozen lard with paint chips in it [12:36] lol [12:36] its apple pie + custard + icecream [12:36] jon_sun (n=Administ@unaffiliated/jonsnow/x-492017) joined ##slackware. [12:36] <_arfon_> Gov drones PISS ME OFF [12:37] I'll try a CD install and see whether it even runs at all, and if not, back to 11.0 until I can replace the thing with something at least built this decade [12:38] no luck with lucent orinoco? [12:39] you cant netinstall using wireless [12:39] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [12:39] hm, is that a restriction anyone's working to get rid of (or do you know)? [12:40] alienBOB maintains the installer. [12:40] cause these days I'm starting to find wired networks to be the exception rather than the rule :( [12:40] too many variables. [12:40] yeah [12:41] Action: Urchlay really hates wireless [12:41] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [12:41] i just finished a cantenna tonight [12:41] it rules [12:41] (I mean I hate it as a replacement for a wired network for a stationary machine... obviously it's nice on laptops) [12:42] yah, coz dragging around 100ft of cat5 really takes the fun out of laptops [12:42] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [12:42] Action: rk4n3 is with Urchlay [12:42] I wish I coul PXE boot wireless [12:42] dogsoul (i=doggy@dogsoul.org) joined ##slackware. [12:42] ... hating wireless, that is [12:42] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:43] at one time I had a laptop that went to job sites with me, I carried about a 3 foot cat5 cable, there was always a place to plug it in [12:43] I gave up on laptops years and years ago [12:43] ovnicraft (i=1000@190.154.240.13) joined ##slackware. [12:43] and at starbuck's, there were dialup lines (yeah, slow, but free...) [12:43] XGizzmo: there are so many things wrong with what you just said [12:44] I always carry some cat5 with my laptop bag [12:44] slackytude: I don't carry the laptop any more [12:44] and a switch, usb pen drive and so on [12:44] i have a bit of cat6, one patch and one crossover in my bag. [12:44] been working from home, no need to [12:44] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:45] dogsoul (i=doggy@dogsoul.org) left irc: Client Quit [12:45] I used to take it with me for fixing customer pc's. still use it [12:45] plus the laptop's like the guy in Mortal Kombat, it's standing there wobbling on its feet while the announcer says "Finish him!" [12:45] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [12:45] dogsoul (n=dogsoul@dogsoul.org) joined ##slackware. [12:46] heh [12:46] (hard drive and backlight are both failing, one battery blew up and the other got lost in a move) [12:46] blew up, awesome [12:46] I kinda evolved (or de-evolved, depending) my usage patterns to be fairly simplistic - I carry some stuff around on a thumbnail drive, back that up at all my workstations for the "just-in-case" scenario, and I maintain workstations in all the primary places I need them [12:47] well not exploded in fiery death... but it did die from being left on AC power & running continuously for like a year [12:47] ... and I keep a server on-line too [12:47] i have my eeepc and iphone with me, and about 6 machines at home [12:47] I only got this laptop and a ssh account I sync with on all other machines [12:47] at work or at university [12:47] I've got a cat 5 cable and a crossover adapter - one less cable to carry around [12:47] I just never go anywhere any more :( [12:48] Urchlay: haha - that's one approach :) [12:48] heh [12:48] i need to setup backups to my media pc [12:49] rk4n3: not because the laptop blew up... because my job was work-from-home and I spent a good long time without a car [12:49] Urchlay: that actually sounds nice to me [12:49] (have a car now, but blew it up again last night, has to go to the shop) [12:49] do you still dress in the mornings? [12:49] I wouldn't :) [12:49] heh [12:49] dogsoul (n=dogsoul@dogsoul.org) left irc: Client Quit [12:49] yeah, but not in what you'd call anything nice or fancy [12:49] 2tb raid10 array :) [12:50] I don't live alone, so if I want to get to the coffee pot I have to put on pants [12:50] I'd set up my desk next to my bed and just roll from one to the other [12:50] Urchlay: you're too modest [12:50] that would be awesome [12:50] spook: I rent a room from an old lady (pretty cool old lady actually, but still an old lady) [12:50] rk4n3, lol [12:50] Urchlay: lol. [12:51] she would not be amused by my nekkidness I don't think [12:51] dogsoul (i=doggy@dogsoul.org) joined ##slackware. [12:51] Urchlay, she'd probably enjoy seeing a nekkid man again [12:51] I want to build a pc into my draw - any suggestions ?:P ie: what to mount the mobo to [12:51] Urchlay: maybe she'd be aroused ? [12:51] Urchlay: does she still have teeth? [12:51] either that, or it would get her excited. Which would also be bad. [12:51] Urchlay: oh wait, that might be worse ... [12:51] heh [12:51] haha [12:51] anyone seen yes man? [12:51] i have it on my hdd [12:51] spook: oooo you're naughty [12:51] i should probally watch it [12:52] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) joined ##slackware. [12:53] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-30-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:54] The question I have, has anyone seen nullboy ? [12:54] good question [12:54] I asked that sometime ago [12:55] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.196) left irc: "I'll Be Back!!" [12:55] /msg nickserv info nullboy [12:55] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.91) joined ##slackware. [12:55] hi Dominian [12:55] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) left ##slackware. [12:55] hey spook [12:56] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:56] will bluewhite64 die now? [12:56] i hope [12:56] ask arny [12:56] we can hope [12:56] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:56] He's here. [12:56] whos arny [12:56] AbsTradELic could probably add his 2cents in as well [12:56] spook: the "creator" and maintainer of BW64 [12:57] ah that fagface [12:57] s/creator/maintainer/ [12:57] spaceplo_ (n=spaceplo@72.20.48.65) joined ##slackware. [12:57] the "maintainer" and maintainer of BW64 [12:57] dogsoul (i=doggy@dogsoul.org) left irc: "changing servers" [12:57] yes [12:58] btw, lets mail pipebombs to intel untill they release the specs for their DRAM controlers [12:58] i want coreboot for my laptop :P [12:58] spook, nope, I keep walking [13:00] jon_sun (n=Administ@unaffiliated/jonsnow/x-492017) left irc: "Leaving." [13:01] that is the right the GPL grants you [13:01] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) left irc: "Saliendo" [13:01] arny: you're right, it wont change anything since you're leaching off slamd64 not slackware [13:01] macavity: the GPL has a pipebomb clause? never knew that... [13:03] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("brb"). [13:04] spook, you (and others) will be surprised to see that Slackware64 is not doing the Slamd64 way, your attention is distracted by that lib64, in the rest Slackware64 is a pure 64-bit :) [13:04] Urchlay: lulz :-) [13:04] Slackware64 is multilib fwiw [13:05] or rather, currently, multilib ready [13:05] Dominian, is multilib read [13:05] arny: congratulations, you just failed. [13:05] slKIvs (n=ivan@190.148.119.23) joined ##slackware. [13:05] arny: Install compat libs.. it will work. [13:05] trust me :) [13:05] I've already been testing it [13:05] its multilib, it just doesnt come with 32bit libraries. [13:06] oh and -m32 don't work because gcc/glibc would need to be built for that.. but its really not needed [13:07] dogsoul (n=dogsoul@dogsoul.org) joined ##slackware. [13:08] doeppjakab (n=doeppjak@89.123.79.75) joined ##slackware. [13:08] spaceplo1 (i=SpacePlo@72.20.48.65) joined ##slackware. [13:08] Dominian, right, like here in BW64 ;) no -m32 needed [13:08] -m32 is only needed if you want to build 32bit binaries on x86_64.. its useless for running them. [13:09] yup [13:09] but comparing the lack of -m32 from slackware64 to bw64 is a moot point. :) [13:10] arny: You one of the maintainers of BW64? [13:11] i think the important point is [13:11] hehe, compare the sources, the only difference you will see is the lib64 presence [13:11] arny is a scumbag. [13:11] >.> [13:11] no [13:11] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:11] anshulk, yes [13:11] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:11] Nick change: kethry_ -> kethry [13:11] arny is excercising the rights that the GPL/BSD licences grant him [13:12] yup [13:12] arny: Cool... Regardless of the anti-BW sentiment here, have been using bw64 for a while and wanted to thank you guys for all the work... [13:12] spook, I take that like a compliment [13:12] anshulk: thank Pat and Fred [13:12] excercising rights and being a scumbag arent mutually exclusive [13:13] anshulk, I see the logs from 19-22 May [13:13] straterra: Them I have been thanking for what 6 years now... [13:13] spook: unfortunately the GPL does not stipulate giving credits for build methods [13:13] Slamd64 has been out for 6 years? [13:13] anshulk: they did most of work that made bw64 possible and get no credit :) [13:13] macavity: yup [13:14] Guys.. I know... [13:14] anshulk, they just envy :) [13:14] straterra: unofficially 6 years.. official "first" real release was in 2003 [13:14] i doubt it [13:14] My first ever real distro was slack back in 2002... [13:14] er.. 2005 [13:14] iirc [13:14] Dominian: what have you been using for your 32-bit libs? slamd64's c series? [13:14] And bw is a fork of slack and slamd... [13:14] Urchlay: Yeah.. but they don't all work correctly... [13:14] slamd came in 2005... [13:14] Urchlay: I'm just waiting on fred at this point.. he's working on something to correct that [13:15] I've been pulling libs ouf of slackware-current 32-bit packages [13:15] I used it in 2006 mostly [13:15] s/ouf/out/ [13:15] Urchlay: yeah that will work [13:15] went back to slack [13:15] and then used bw [13:15] anshulk: Slamd64 has been around approx 6 years [13:15] but that issu eis moot [13:15] and will now use slack64 because hey its pat! [13:15] Dominian, btw, mine IA32 emulation should work too on Slackware64 [13:15] Dominian: I first heard of slamd in 2005 end... [13:15] that's wonderful [13:15] but I don't want emulation [13:15] have to be careful, some of the libs I need are from ap/ (e.g. libutempter.so), but don't want to install anything outside of /lib /usr/lib [13:15] and 99.9% of the other people don't either [13:16] what's BW64? (never heard of it) [13:16] is the same thing like fred made just I call it IA32 [13:16] Necos: bluewhite64 [13:16] and...? [13:16] lol [13:16] Necos: A pure 64 bit recompile of slack [13:16] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:16] arny: I'm curious.. if you aren't multilib.. how are you accomplishing 32bit compatability? [13:17] Necos: Which actually maintains the feel of slack unlike slamd :P [13:17] anshulk: newb [13:17] anshulk: Umm what? [13:17] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.39) joined ##slackware. [13:17] huh? [13:17] anshulk: Now you're spewing his FUD [13:17] (2003 indeed) [13:17] Dominian, simple. using lib32 [13:17] just looked it up on distrowatch [13:17] Dominian: currently I have a ginormous (almost 200MB installed) compat32 package [13:17] arny: ahh and breaking FHS.. I see. [13:17] Urchlay: hehe that's huge man. [13:17] i call puppetry on anshulk [13:17] wtf? [13:17] I don't think the entire c/ series is that big [13:17] spook: seconded. [13:17] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:17] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [13:17] anshulk: hmmmm, that didn't make a whole lot of sense [13:18] Dominian, have you seen ex Debian/Ubuntu, SuSe etc how they do it? the same lib32 is used [13:18] arny: I remember you saying 32-bit compatibility was a security issue.. [13:18] Dominian: once I figure out exactly what all's needed and what's not, it'll get split back out into separate packages like l/ is [13:18] arny: Umm suse does lib64 [13:18] straterra, hmmm when/where? [13:18] Kenjiro (n=kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) joined ##slackware. [13:18] anshulk: How do you figure that slamd64 doesn't maintain the feel of Slackware? I'm intrigued to know. [13:18] heh, slamd64 felt enough like slackware that I used to forget I was running it [13:18] arny: and Debian's way of doing things in no way complies with any standard.. at all. [13:19] Dominian, hmmm, don't remember then what is the other OS :| [13:19] Dominian: It complies with the Debian committee standards :) [13:19] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [13:19] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:19] Most, if not all linux that do 64/32 use FHS compliance. [13:19] pat suggested a script to compare a slackware32 and a slackware64 package automatically to strip out the "duplicates" of the 32 bit package, then makepkg it back up, and rename it to _multilib.gxz [13:19] alisonken1home: yep [13:19] that would be rather easy to do actually [13:19] macavity: aye.. in fact fred has such a script iirc [13:19] or did at one time [13:19] i think i have half the functions laying around in other scripts [13:19] Well I dunno... slamd never felt like slack... [13:19] macavity: thats a good idea actually [13:20] macavity: basically what I'm doing, only I'm doing it dumber [13:20] just me or bluewhite64.com not working? [13:20] "felt" is relative... [13:20] ./configure make make install required more tweaking then I cared for back then [13:20] anshulk: you could have just said "fud" and left it at that... [13:20] Necos: it is Pat's idea, so natrually it is a good one ;-) [13:20] my point exactly macavity [13:20] ^_^ [13:20] K fud/feelings... whatever you wanna call it... [13:20] That was not meant to be an objective review [13:20] macavity: a couple things need special handling (pango needs /usr/bin/pango-query-modules, but it has to be installed as /usr/bin/pango-query-modules-32 and run with linux32 in the doinst.sh) [13:20] aye [13:20] I guess I am being quite unfair to slamd anyway [13:21] yeah, you are ;) [13:21] spook: "connecting to bluewhite64.com ..............................................................................................................................................." [13:21] I tried slamd abt a year and a half before bw [13:21] arny: sorry if you have answered that already, but what are your future plans for BW64 now? does Slack64 change anything? [13:21] alisonken1home: finger fred@slackware.com [13:21] nuff said [13:21] I guess back then even bw must have sucked [13:21] I'm going to go smoke [13:21] Urchlay: what 32bit app do you need run that requires pango?!? [13:21] macavity: anything that uses GTK [13:21] yeah, wtf is up with the website? [13:21] anshulk: btw, didn't mean to jump all over you.. just didn't get where you were coming from. [13:22] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [13:22] Urchlay: i thought 32bit support was only for propietary madness [13:22] looks like a routing issue arny on bluewhite64.com [13:22] this would be the perfect time for pat to call out arny. [13:22] DNS cache poison? [13:22] macavity: some proprietary madness type of software expects to have usable gtk libs though [13:22] Dominian: :) [13:22] doesn't look like its his site per se.. looks like one of the carriers [13:22] Dominian: a pity [13:23] eviljames: thats cool... I dont want to come off as a bw fanboy.. Because I am not... but I would like to thank the people who let me pretend that Pat never got late with slack64 [13:23] nah.. no reason to wish harm [13:23] i wonder when will Slackware stop shipping seamonkey [13:23] it does nothing but make you look worse. [13:23] dang - verizon drops traceroute [13:23] huh? [13:23] sahko: why would it? [13:23] they drop ICMP? [13:23] Urchlay: oh well.. i will never have to use 32bit compatibility when i jump to Slackware64 anyway [13:23] Dominian: some people need harm. [13:23] Action: macavity does the FSF Forever(TM) dance [13:23] Dominian: i only need nss :P [13:23] macavity: and it's not entirely for proprietary stuff either. Some things like zsnes or z26 are written partly in 32-bit asm, can't be ported without a rewrite of the asm parts [13:23] sahko: ah [13:24] dios_mio (i=FREELOVE@88.243.102.17) left irc: "The world is not real, only possible." [13:24] Urchlay: what are those? [13:24] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:24] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:24] macavity: zsnes = Super Nintendo emulator, z26 = Atari 2600 emulator. Probably nothing you'd miss, if you never even heard of them :) [13:25] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:25] sahko, I will continue to work on it [13:25] traceroute from the office dumps at 64.209.105.25, so it looks like a carrier/hosting issue [13:25] Urchlay: are there any Free games [worth the mention] for those platforms? [13:25] zsnes is awesome ^_~ [13:25] macavity: in a way, the only reason I even ever got a modern PC (back when the 486 was still modern) was so I could run emulators for old platforms like that :) [13:25] just download ROMs [13:25] Action: Dominian has a slew of them at home :) [13:25] lol [13:25] used them on my openSUSE laptop when I have to travel [13:25] Dominian: you need to share! [13:25] plug in my usb controller.. fire up zsnes.. and play some nintendo :) [13:25] macavity: eh, well, what do you think? (Actually I did write an open source game for the 2600, not GPL, just public domain with the source available) [13:26] Dominian: You've inspired me. [13:26] but the web site where it used to live has been gone for a while now :( [13:26] Dominian: It's time for me to get back into that :D [13:26] to be extremely lazy, right eviljames [13:26] arny: with the only difference being /lib64 or you are gonna add some spice? [13:26] spook: I agree with you [13:26] Urchlay: ok, so i probably wont ever even bother to install those :P [13:26] Dominian: Now I have to go out and find a usb 6-button snes controller :P [13:26] heh [13:26] macavity: right. For me, it's a matter of "I bought a bunch of these consoles and games, I should be able to still play them now" [13:26] eviljames: there are instructions on the internet on how to convert an original controller to usb [13:26] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:27] Dominian: ORLY? [13:27] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.187) joined ##slackware. [13:27] Dominian: Sauce? [13:27] Yeah.. they are out there.. been a while since I've read them, but I've seen them [13:27] heh [13:27] Urchlay: you havent tired of them yet?!? [13:27] Dominian: Cool, I'll google. [13:27] dog has a new toy that look like a sausage and makes and awful SQUEAK noise [13:27] Kenjiro: dont agree with me i'm drunk [13:27] eviljames: http://urlx.eu/_MjQ2Mg [13:27] macavity: well no... although I don't sit around and play them 24/7 either [13:27] Urchlay: 20 years of playing the same games.. you need to meditate or something :P [13:27] you can hear him running around the house with it. annoying like hell [13:28] macavity: actually my main interest in those old consoles these days would be learning how to code for them [13:28] macavity, there are some games I play for a long time [13:28] Dominian: thanks! [13:28] not 20 years but almost [13:28] Urchlay: i would be very stunned if gcc doesnt have support for them [13:29] sahko, I have multiple plans, one of tem includes that too ;) [13:29] brb [13:29] macavity: gcc doesn't support 8-bit or 16-bit platforms [13:29] slackytude: Final Fantasy (the NES original) - I still think it's playable today. [13:29] the super NES is 16-bit, so's the sega genesis [13:29] eviljames, its mainly old DOS games for me. some C64 ones. not so much a fan of the consoles [13:29] add some spice.. sahko ? [13:29] Urchlay: if you tell gcc to use nasm i belive it can generate 16 bit executables [13:29] and the 8-bit platforms, resources are really too limited to use compiled C code [13:29] Urchlay: and if not, then pcc surely can [13:29] If he adds anything other than what is in the base slackware tree.. its not slackware compliant anymore is it? [13:29] Action: Dominian is now confused [13:30] (especially the older ones like the Atari) [13:30] macavity: the 2600 has 128 *bytes* of RAM and a 1.2MHz 8-bit CPU, and a 4K "window" for ROM cartridge code [13:30] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:31] Dominian: Well, Pat did mention Dropline in the changelog :) [13:31] Urchlay: I have a 7800 at my parent's house.. hehe [13:31] toastytoast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) left irc: "leaving" [13:31] alisonken1home: what? [13:31] the xbox has 32mb of ram and 900mhz cpu [13:31] Action: Dominian looks [13:31] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@200.140.247.98) left irc: [13:31] Dominian: packages etc, something that would make it differ from Slack64. i dont think using /lib is enough for maintaining a distribution [13:31] your comment about not being slackware compliant [13:31] dominian: ^^^ [13:31] Dominian: fred: :) n1 on cyphering plan (finger) [13:31] alisonken1home: oh [13:31] Urchlay: ditch it.. go C64 WFT! :P [13:31] (you can have multiples of 4K for your cartridges, using bankswitching, but the cart has to contain the bankswitching hardware, and the code has to be written to deal with the fact that its address space will disappear out from under it when it switches...) [13:32] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:32] macavity: nah, I prefer the C64's competition (Atari 800 and XL/XE series) [13:32] wasn't the original xbox a 733 P3? [13:32] yes [13:32] cumine [13:32] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [13:32] point is, 32mb of ram [13:32] shared with video. [13:33] 32MB of RAM would be plenty for a compiler [13:33] the original xbox is old [13:33] ewww [13:33] er, for the compiled code to run in, I mean [13:33] for 3d games? [13:33] hey, 640k ought to be enough for anybody [13:33] lol [13:33] mmlj4: "Memories ....." [13:33] that's what the old schoolers say [13:33] its a mis-quote [13:34] spook: sure. Quake 2 will run in 8MB of RAM [13:34] that doesnt matter.. as long as its funny :P [13:34] livb3 [13:34] Urchlay: i'd rather play halo. [13:34] halo.. [13:34] heh [13:34] Q2 was awesome [13:34] be nice to emulate xbox 360 [13:34] Halo I was for the original Xbox though [13:34] g200 + voodoo2 [13:35] *lib32 isn't backwards compatibility; it's providing the ability to run 32-bit binaries if you modify the library locations and violate standards [13:35] meaning it ran in 32M, right? [13:35] and you need to have /lib/ld-linux.so.2 anyway [13:35] How about Apple IIe "Chopper" [13:35] so, /lib needs to contain at least one 32-bit binary, o [13:35] unless you just don't care about existing 32-bit binaries at all [13:35] alisonken1home: "choplifter"? [13:35] aye [13:35] fred, interesting bpoint [13:35] *point [13:35] Urchlay: something like that. Last time I played that was 1984 [13:35] choplifter ftw! [13:35] whats the hardware in xbox360 [13:35] dude.. awesome game [13:35] alisonken1home: this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choplifter [13:35] Contra [13:36] up up down down left right left right b a start [13:36] Urchlay: nope [13:36] SuperC was win [13:36] but the same concept [13:36] fred: one could also hax the .interp field of all 32 bit ELF objects [13:36] spaceplo_ (n=spaceplo@72.20.48.65) left irc: Success [13:36] hm. Dunno then, I didn't have an apple II back then... [13:36] can't believe I still remember that combination [13:36] Dominian: it's classic [13:36] many also have hardcoded paths loaded at runtime [13:36] heh [13:36] Oregan Trail ftw! [13:36] er.. Oregon [13:37] fred: i know.. i am actually working on a tool to manipulate that [13:37] Fort Apocalypse on the c64 \o/ [13:37] Urchlay: I'm talking about the original choplifter on the Apple IIe green-screen [13:37] BP{k}: Never played c64 [13:37] the only reason for 32-bit compatibility is for closed-source software; in that situation, I strongly believe that compatibility is the most important thing; that dictates /lib and /usr/lib contain 32-bit libraries [13:37] remember the Neo GEO? [13:37] alisonken1home: ah, same game. It just was all-green if you had a green monitor... [13:37] hell yeah [13:38] Urchlay: the original was 2d - this one has some 3d elements in the screen [13:38] as does /lib/ld-linux.so.2; so, either you have a horrible mixture of 32-bit libraries and64-bit in /lib, you chroot, or you follow the standard and use lib64 [13:38] NeoGEO tried to get a console to compete with Sega/Atari.. but made the leap into arcade games and never looked back [13:38] fred: not the only reason: some stuff's written in 32-bit asm and can't be compiled 64-bit... and some stuff (wine, mplayer) needs to be able to run 32-bit code for other platforms [13:38] fred: or just running "compatibalize /path/to/braindamaged/binary" ;-) [13:38] /lib64/ld-linux-x86_64.so.2 is also required by some things [13:38] so, you need a /lib64 too [13:38] aye [13:38] macavity: not guaranteed to work, and no [13:38] Dominian: even to this day, the neogeo games are *expensive* [13:38] *not 'seamless' [13:38] Urchlay: oh yes [13:38] macavity: chroots are nicer IMO :p [13:39] that's just horrible [13:39] and going to run into problems with a lib32 [13:39] if you're very, very careful you can make a string in a binary shorter [13:39] fred: hacking the system linker to be clever about it would imho be the best solution [13:39] making one longer is a whole different matter [13:40] macavity: IMO the best solution is to follow the standard, then it all just works [13:40] mmmm, hexeditors [13:40] fred: this "standard" is interesting. Now they say you have to have /lib and /lib64. Some years later people will move /lib64 to /lib (since there will be no use for 32bit stuff). Then we will have to creat a /lib128? :P [13:40] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.60.165) joined ##slackware. [13:40] and hacking the system linker doesn't fix /lib/ld-linux.so.2 [13:40] Kenjiro: you shouldn't move /lib64 to /lib [13:40] ever [13:40] actually, IMO, /lib64 isn't the cleanest solution overall [13:40] Kenjiro: read the standard [13:40] it's the cleanest solution given history [13:41] and the fact that /lib is full of 32-bit stuff [13:41] spook: the standard is ugly, IMHO [13:41] the cleanest IMO would be along debian lines [13:41] /lib/$HOST_TRIPLET [13:41] what's debian do? [13:41] but I am not sayint we should have 32 and 64bit stuff all in /lib [13:41] ahh [13:41] or /usr/$HOST_TRIPLET [13:41] Kenjiro: /lib, /lib64, /lib128, /lib256 - remember, some classics just never go away :) [13:41] debian is just too much politics [13:41] it is said in the slackbook that there's a HOWTO collection that can be installed to /usr/doc/Linux-HOWTOs. Where could i find it? [13:41] however, that would have only worked if it had been decided on at the start [13:41] its not the best solution, its the most popular one [13:41] *saying [13:41] Thursap: you just answered your own question :) [13:42] fred: I have never got a definitive answer to $HOST_TRIPLET - can you shed some light on it? [13:42] it's not the most practical solution once you've had a /lib and /usr/lib 32-bit distro become standards though [13:42] Thursap, in /usr/doc/Linux-HOWTOs [13:42] Thursap: /f/ [13:42] alisonken1home: $ARCH-$DISTRO-linux[-gnu] [13:42] fred: thanks [13:42] fred: uhm, "a string" is not just a string.. in thise case we are talking about strings in ELF Exacutable Section Headers and ELF Program Section Headers [13:42] Urchlay, slackytude: there's not a folder like that on my machine [13:42] macavity: some of them, yes [13:42] fred: it is actually *very* easy to manipulate those [13:42] IMO, the /lib and /usr/lib should reflect the architecture your distro runs. So... Slackware uses /lib, slackware-64 should use /lib too. [13:42] but not all [13:42] ok.. stupid VM install locked up... [13:42] Action: Dominian starts it over [13:43] some are hardcoded in .text [13:43] then for compatibility (for those who need it), there should be /lib32 [13:43] and are cstrings [13:43] Thursap: it's in the f/ directory on your install CD, or on the slackware FTP site [13:43] but that's MY opinion ;) [13:43] those can be made shorter, but not longer [13:43] fred: the ldopen() ones are, yes [13:43] Urchlay: ok, thanks [13:43] or, you use the standard :p [13:43] fred: I have no idea what you're saying, but it sounds fascinating... [13:43] then it all "just works(tm)" [13:43] Dominian: ahahahaha [13:43] once you've rebuild the 64-bit stuff that is [13:43] Thursap: be warned, some of the howtos are full of ancient/outdated information [13:44] Kenjiro: I'm not making fun of him.. just stating.. I really have no $clue what he's talkinga bout.. hehe [13:44] uh, what a crazy idea to make those c char arrays longer in the .text section [13:44] fred: where is the fun in that? :P [13:44] fred: lets hack up everything just to show how 1337 we are [13:44] Dominian: elf binary file sections [13:45] Dominian: IOW - the output of the compiler [13:45] Dominian: habla usted C? [13:45] Dominian: http://people.freebsd.org/~jkoshy/download/libelf/article.html [13:45] No habla programming [13:45] Dominian: a must read! :-) [13:45] heh [13:45] I'd rather eat my own head... [13:45] just let fred/pat deal with it [13:45] :P [13:46] char *junk = "blah"; // you could edit the compiled binary and make this string shorter, or change it to a different 4 characters, but not make it longer [13:46] Dominian: the reason i am babbling about this is that i am actually writing tools to manipulate ELF objects' linking information [13:46] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.60.165) left irc: "leaving" [13:46] Dominian: ... just to document an outstanding libtool bug [13:46] Dominian: weird. I can't imagine anyone being heavily into computers and not at least being interested in programming... [13:46] Dominian: programmnig can be fun - I used to work binary on the 30-bit refrigerator we called a computer on the ship :) [13:46] heh [13:46] <_arfon_> Programmers have a mindset.... [13:47] Urchlay: I do basic web stuff.. like php/html.. nothing with C or anything else like that... [13:47] Urchlay: and some scripting.. but that's it [13:47] _arfon_: the ones in Redmond apparently do not :P [13:47] Urchlay: don't be [13:47] alisonken1home: "My first job was programming binary 30-bit refrigerators, very similar to your moisture 'vaporators" [13:47] <_arfon_> They do to but it's mostly evil [13:47] 30 bit? [13:47] Urchlay: :) [13:47] <_arfon_> Programmers can look at pages of code and understand what's going on.... [13:48] <_arfon_> Non-programmers can't [13:48] <_arfon_> (I fall into the latter) [13:48] slackytude: milspec general purpose computer circa 1950's - otherwise known as combat computers running real-time milspec o/s [13:48] eh, funky [13:48] and using 15-pin circuit boards with discreet components [13:48] _arfon_: provided the code wasn't written by non-programmers... [13:48] water cooled [13:48] _arfon_: depends on what code ;) [13:48] alisonken1home: don't be what? [13:48] <_arfon_> I program what I absolutely have to and I do not touch others stuff [13:48] <_arfon_> Yep, and yep [13:48] Urchlay: surprised that some computer nerds don't do programming [13:49] its easier to write code than to read it [13:49] slackytude: ++ [13:49] alisonken1home: I guess I'm in the same position as old ham radio guys who are amazed that the kids today don't learn Morse [13:49] <_arfon_> Slacky, You're DAMNED CORRECT! [13:49] I know I am ^-^ [13:49] slackytude: depends on how you write it and if you started with baisc(tm) :) [13:49] lol [13:49] "i have 60 minutes of white noise which i just loop.. works a charm [for blocking out distractions]" "Couldn't you just loop 10 minutes worth? Or is that last part really good?" [13:49] Urchlay: :) [13:49] <_arfon_> <--started with BASIC [13:50] eh, I started with basic as will [13:50] well [13:50] c64 basic [13:50] Alaric`: LOL the last part is the best! [13:50] Action: alisonken1home stated with a ct10 and punched paper tape [13:50] <_arfon_> <---started on a TTY Model 33, HP2000 and HP BASIC [13:51] and I have yet to find an application written in what I consider good code [13:51] its all crap [13:51] and then you have to maintain it [13:51] :( [13:51] slackytude: MS Resembles that remark !!! [13:51] and just think of the poor bastard that has to maintain your code slackytude ^_^ [13:51] heh [13:52] i try to document my code as i write it [13:52] idle_ (n=idle@d199-74-168-16.try.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [13:52] I try to write good code. I take readability over quick hacks anytime [13:52] <_arfon_> Alaric and Deke, couldn't you just loop 30sec? [13:52] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [13:52] _arfon_: you missed the point >.> [13:53] hehe [13:53] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-40-214.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:53] Karu (n=alch@78-28-85-64.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:53] Karu (n=alch@78-28-85-64.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [13:53] joke-> ', your understanding -> _ [13:55] _arfon_: yep, started with BASIC too [13:56] DeeeeP_ (i=1003@bl11-183-191.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:56] DeeeeP_ (i=1003@bl11-183-191.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [13:56] <[z]imba> Hey,all. just a general questn what's you're view towards gentoo .. [13:56] anger [13:56] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.91) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:56] usually from the hilltop [13:57] whoever Deke is, he could just go "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" and forget about it... [13:57] <[z]imba> Necos< anger? [13:57] seriously though... why would slackware users care about gentoo? [13:57] outside of being in an environment where they have to support it [13:57] <[z]imba> Necos< just asked buddy .. :p [13:58] never used gentoo, dont see the point [13:58] <[z]imba> Necos< what does that mean ? [13:58] <_arfon_> Necos: I was joking also... [13:58] arfon/Urchlay, not sure who Deke was quoting, but it amused me :) [13:58] <[z]imba> well thou i havent used gentoo , the source packagme manger seems to attract me . [13:59] anyway, things to do, bits to twiddle [13:59] <[z]imba> well its a headache to keep track o updates or soruces [13:59] <[z]imba> *of [13:59] Alaric` (n=alaric@babcom.com) left ##slackware. [14:00] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.91) joined ##slackware. [14:00] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:00] if you want to use gentoo done right, use *BSD [14:01] okay i got to say big KUDOS to all those whom have worked on the -current packages.. kde 4.2.3 rocks [14:01] <[z]imba> Necos< chill man.. [14:02] lol no anger here :) [14:02] <[z]imba> just asked your views . [14:02] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:02] careful what you ask for ... [14:02] <[z]imba> In gentoo , every thing is done from square one [14:02] <[z]imba> idle_< was that to me? [14:02] <[z]imba> :p [14:03] :) [14:03] Hmm in current, anyone know what the kde3-compat is in extras? [14:03] <[z]imba> compl3x< do you really like kde ? [14:03] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.116.159) joined ##slackware. [14:03] [z]imba: I detest kde. [14:03] [z]imba: well kde4x [14:04] compl3x: That's so you can still use kde3.x stuff? It's the compatibility libs iirc. [14:04] firebird619: hmm [14:04] err s/?/./ [14:04] <[z]imba> compl3x< kde seems to take control off hand .. and quite bloat [14:04] [z]imba: yeah tis how I feel about it [14:04] <[z]imba> my personal view !! [14:04] compl3x: you switching from fluxbox? :( [14:04] firebird619: hell no. [14:04] haha [14:05] <[z]imba> compl3x< xfce seems to appeal me too much , i have custom compile xfce .. i just love it [14:05] <[z]imba> compl3x< which deskenv do you user? [14:05] <[z]imba> *use [14:07] [z]imba: xfce is aight - i get bored of it tho' [14:07] [z]imba: fluxbox [14:08] <[z]imba> compl3x< why what happend , its light Weigth gtk ... better than kde when it comes to controls [14:08] [z]imba: just too- common if you get me, I like fluxbox I can configuring just how I like it [14:08] [z]imba: I like my screen space [= [14:09] <[z]imba> compl3x< thats it .. , can fluxbox is flexible it seems , isnt it ? [14:09] I would be lost without my right-click menu in fluxbox [14:09] fluxbox is extremely flexible/customizable. [14:09] [z]imba: yep [14:09] twolf: same same :) [14:09] <_arfon_> Sorry, an annoying customers calling wanting dumb things.... what did I miss? [14:10] <[z]imba> but when it comes to laptops with good gfx card i feel bad for fluxbox [14:10] why do you feel bad? [14:10] [z]imba: I built my machine for speed and graphics- got a gtx260 but I sitll run fluxbox :p [14:10] <[z]imba> i mean does to appeal in views ? well i havent used fluxbox yet [14:10] some of the most eye-candied-out desktops I have seen were fluxbox [14:11] <[z]imba> twolf< seriously ? [14:11] <[z]imba> thats news !! [14:11] <_arfon_> I run fluxbox as my VNC desktop [14:11] twolf: yeah, there's some amazing fluxbox configs out there. [14:11] xcompmgr w/flux for some eye candy [14:11] <[z]imba> VNC have its reasons ._arfon_ [14:12] <_arfon_> VNC is VERY convienient [14:12] <[z]imba> yes but network useage etc .. will appeal fluxbox [14:12] <[z]imba> low bndwid ..etc [14:12] <_arfon_> I run at minimal settings.... [14:12] <[z]imba> _arfon_< ooh .. cool!!! [14:13] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:13] <_arfon_> VNC rules when your family calls (from across the country) and needs things fixed on their computers/network [14:13] compl3x: does that gtx260 run hot? [14:13] twolf: nope [14:13] I am looking at that card for my new computer [14:13] twolf: it can do- idles medium - I wouldn't suggest it personally - but i like it [14:15] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:16] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-189-200.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [14:16] <[z]imba> I have cool tip for those ho install from source !! it can be concidered source pkg manager!! [14:16] <[z]imba> gnu/source installer [14:16] It's always interesting to join ##slackware and see something like that ^ [14:17] [z]imba, we have something like that. its called a slackbuild [14:17] <[z]imba> its really tool [14:17] klein (n=klein@unaffiliated/klein) joined ##slackware. [14:17] <[z]imba> ooh !! [14:17] Hey antiwire, how's it going? [14:17] yo man i'm good [14:17] [z]imba: why would you log into a slackware channel and the first word out of your mouth is a gentoo question? [14:17] <[z]imba> slackytude< it doesn't create pkg [14:18] <[z]imba> Dominian< i was just asking your views... [14:18] <[z]imba> is that concidered bad ? [14:18] [z]imba: http://imagebin.org/50013 thats my desktop - only my first monitor tho [14:18] i talked to my friend and is truck is totaled for sure, the frame and body are bent to the point that the doors won't close and he has some certain damage on the right side of his body [14:18] the airbags deployed too [14:18] he got messed up [14:21] firebird619: got any 1024bit keys ready for IRC ;) [14:22] <[z]imba> compl3x< that was bit spooky and cool desktop .. lolz . [14:22] <_arfon_> "slackytude: [z]imba, we have something like that. its called a slackbuild" -- I thought it was src2pkg... [14:22] antiwire: no, but I can regen it quick. [14:22] if you're down, let's give it a shot [14:23] k, sec. [14:23] <[z]imba> _arfon_< i mean there is concept of package in GNU/source installer [14:23] thanks [14:23] <[z]imba> its all meta data [14:23] alright, it's regened. :) [14:23] <_arfon_> [z]imba: real men compile [14:23] <[z]imba> which is collected during install [14:24] <[z]imba> yes i do .. that y i did _arfon_ :P [14:24] <_arfon_> ....AFTER messing with flags [14:24] <[z]imba> _arfon_< you still didnt get me ? [14:24] <_arfon_> I know you're foolin [14:25] firebird619: seems broken [14:25] Karu (n=alch@78-28-85-64.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:25] I just got banned from the #suse channel [14:25] yeah, I'm getting errors, were you as well. [14:25] <[z]imba> hey what was important for me was uninstall meta data , some packages like python/ruby doen't have uninstall script [14:25] Karu (n=alch@78-28-85-64.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [14:25] Action: Dominian shakes his head [14:25] firebird619: this is all i get (2009-05-22 11:24:56) Last outgoing message not received properly- resetting (2009-05-22 11:25:15) Error in decryption- asking for resend... [14:25] Dominian: why? [14:25] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [14:25] antiwire: yeah, I got the same things. [14:25] firebird619: because I called out one of the OPs on something she was full of shit on.. and she knew it [14:25] darn [14:25] oh well, time to wait some more [14:25] <[z]imba> _arfon_< did you get me ? [14:26] <_arfon_> Dominian: Telling them that "SUSE sucks and they hate you... SLACKWARE ROOLZ" is a good way to do that. [14:26] Dominian: sounds like she's abusing the power if that's all she banned you for. :P [14:26] antiwire: yeah, it shall work someday. [14:26] <[z]imba> Dominian< is there any problem becus i asked abt gentoo ? :) [14:26] yep [14:26] <[z]imba> _arfon_< did you get me ? [14:26] [z]imba: no [14:26] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:26] <_arfon_> I'm sorry Z, I'm not understanding you now [14:26] anyone knows a char bandwitdh monitor for xfce ? [14:26] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:26] hang on I'll show you the LIne that got me banned [14:27] 14:24< Dominian> Just as I thought [14:27] 14:24< Dominian> You don't like anyone bumping heads with you.. you like it when people "bow" to your superior knowledge don't you :) [14:27] <[z]imba> _arfon_< i was talking about GNU/Source Installer [14:27] <_arfon_> That will do it Dom [14:27] lol [14:27] then it was a ban and a "fuck you" was the ban/kick message [14:27] PingFloyd (n=pingfloy@75.23.41.51) left irc: "leaving" [14:27] haha [14:27] <_arfon_> I understood you Z... [14:27] lol [14:27] <_arfon_> I was playing with you [14:27] slKIvs (n=ivan@190.148.119.23) left irc: "Saliendo" [14:27] <[z]imba> :( [14:27] thyko (n=tim@196.201.208.129) joined ##slackware. [14:27] <[z]imba> really bad :( [14:27] <_arfon_> Those SUSE guys are CLASSY! [14:27] <[z]imba> joke [14:27] However, she can try and bullshit someone all she wants.. I logged the entire thing. [14:28] <[z]imba> I hate bloating distros like suse .. [14:28] <_arfon_> It's okay Z. I lol'd [14:28] logs FTW!! [14:28] <[z]imba> thou name is small lol.. [14:28] I'm just going to email the channel owner requesting the ban be removed on the grounds that the OP was "abusive" :) [14:28] http://zip.4chan.org/k/src/1243013537795.jpg [14:28] Dominian, wich channel? [14:28] #suse [14:28] heh [14:28] do NOT give them hell [14:28] great people in there [14:28] antiwire: lol [14:29] hey guys [14:29] someone help me with class 2 squid delay_class [14:30] <[z]imba> Dominian< they did not kick me out !!! [14:30] thyko: If you have a question, just go ahead and ask it. If someone is able to help, they will. [14:31] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-180-201-213.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [14:32] <[z]imba> hav any one tried uninstalling ruby or python after source install? [14:32] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:33] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] If that's the type of people that suse wants in charge of their channel.. [14:33] I think I can deal without opensuse [14:33] 1) do squid delay pools handle both download and upload? 1) in a class on squid delay pool; delay_parameters 1 [bytes]/[bytes], what do the two byte groups mean? [14:33] well with the channel that is [14:33] it annoys me that blade runner doesnt work in wine [14:33] that is so sad [14:33] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:33] pisses me off when someone resorts to name calilng because someone called them out on their crappy attitude [14:34] [14:34] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:34] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:34] *one [14:34] chopp: I have figured out my adesklets issue, when I tarballed it after the patch, it didn't tarball correctly, left some things out. :P [14:35] ananke: ping [14:35] <_arfon_> 110% packet loss. 0 bytes returned. [14:36] <_arfon_> <---moron [14:36] 110% o.0 [14:36] how do you get 100% packet loss? [14:36] 110% packet loss [14:36] send one packet out and not get it twice?! [14:36] <_arfon_> I got excited on the "1" key there [14:36] haha [14:36] Action: firebird619 waves hello to edman007 [14:36] thats what she said [14:36] lol [14:36] hi [14:36] [ in bed ] [14:36] <_arfon_> No, she said "are you done yet?" [14:36] "get off me you're heavy" [14:37] haha [14:37] can't.....breath......get.......off.......me..... :) [14:37] martian (n=martianx@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [14:37] lmao! [14:37] <_arfon_> If I had Urch's sweet beard, no woman would ever resist me that way! [14:38] sometimes it's nice to just lay on top for a bit [14:39] <[z]imba> compl3x< http://imagebin.org/50016 this is my xfce desktop .. [14:39] Action: compl3x prefers being underneath [14:39] [z]imba: not bad - not mystyle tho [14:39] :p [14:39] <[z]imba> :( [14:40] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.196) joined ##slackware. [14:40] <[z]imba> compl3x< i love simpl.ty [14:40] <_arfon_> [z]imba buddy, your "S" logo is fsck'd [14:40] <[z]imba> _arfon_< ? [14:40] <_arfon_> Looks like some sort of fruit' [14:40] apple wannabe _P [14:40] <[z]imba> _arfon_< S logo ? [14:41] _arfon_: I have a mini Urchlay beard. Women cannot resist. [14:41] <_arfon_> Yeah, The Slackware S that's supposed to be on your desk-top [14:41] <_arfon_> I'm jealous James.... [14:41] <_arfon_> My beard attaempts just turn out ratty [14:41] <_arfon_> attempts [14:41] where's this beard image? [14:41] <[z]imba> _arfon_< should i reload it ? with slackware [14:42] Urchlays beard? [14:42] I've got pressure from gf to get rid of it though :( [14:42] <_arfon_> :) [14:42] eviljames: im not allowed to grow a beard - i get stumble and she threatens to shave it in the night. [14:42] bitch controlls me [14:42] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [14:42] heh [14:42] <_arfon_> She was jealous James... she didn't want competiton form other girls [14:42] I stopped shaving a week ago so i'm looking nicely mangled [14:42] compl3x: hahaha it's probably worth it if you allow it :D [14:42] antiwire: nice [14:42] <_arfon_> You're Sampson and she's Delila [14:43] _arfon_: there is no competition, I'm not really interested in other girls ;) [14:43] <_arfon_> Can I have them then? [14:43] makerc (n=makerc@201-42-165-154.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:43] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [14:43] _arfon_: They're all yours dude. I'm the perfect wingman in that regard, I'll catch them and hand 'em off to someone. [14:43] maybe she just needs to experience a mustache ride [14:43] <_arfon_> Oh man! [14:44] <_arfon_> Prolly made him shave that off to Anti [14:44] antiwire: that has so many meanings :p [14:44] lol [14:44] in my head.. [14:44] <_arfon_> Herd 'em to me like a sheep dog james! [14:44] _arfon_: here's why: http://imgur.com/Im2Q (note my beard is much longer now :P) [14:45] <_arfon_> Um two things..... [14:45] <_arfon_> 1) I see she installed the nose ring on you.... (just an observation) [14:45] <[z]imba> hey guys chill [14:45] <_arfon_> 2) Can I have her when youre done? She's cute [14:45] hahaha [14:45] http://imagebin.org/49551 if you really want to tremble before my mighty beard... [14:45] eviljames: damn your sexy :p [14:45] 1) I installed that before meeting her, and 2) No. [14:46] Urchlay: dude. is that serious? [14:46] lol [14:46] lolz [14:46] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:46] nathanbw (i=1000@c-98-192-1-5.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:46] Urchlay: phear! [14:46] Urchlay: that's fscking awesome. [14:46] antiwire: eh, well, that's really a picture of me [14:46] <[z]imba> eviljames< you really hav cool eyes .. damm cool . [14:46] hell yes to that beard [14:46] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [14:46] I don't really expect trembling, though [14:46] <_arfon_> Urch, We need to photoshop a battle ax in that picture! [14:46] thats really you? I thought its Stallman [14:46] samac (n=samac@host86-168-4-215.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:46] if i could grow some a forest like that on my face i would. that is awesome [14:46] Urchlay: I can't tell where your hair starts and ends :p [14:46] Stallman doesn't play bass :) [14:46] compl3x: women do flock to me, I can't lie ;) [14:46] eviljames: haha :p [14:47] _arfon_: and a helmet with horns? [14:47] [z]imba: thanks. asl? ;) [14:47] <_arfon_> That would be soooo sweet! [14:47] <[z]imba> eviljames< PS: im not gay :p [14:47] hahaha [14:47] <_arfon_> You'd scare me [14:47] <[z]imba> lolz . [14:47] hahaha [14:47] probably easier if I actually get a helmet and wear it... [14:47] [z]imba: neither am I , but with eviljames good looks , hell :p [14:48] Action: chopp throws Urchlay one of his spare skull caps. [14:49] Hey chopp [14:49] hey [14:50] chopp: I think I got the adesklets issue I had figured out. A bad tarball. :P [14:50] chopp: hey, this cap is actually made from a human skull! [14:50] Urchlay: you make it yourself? [14:50] Action: Urchlay points at chopp [14:51] I've started being super paranoid about tarballs lately and now I verify the signatures + md5/sha whenever possible [14:51] antiwire: Well this was one I made myself, and unfortunately failed. :( [14:51] hahaha [14:51] http://imagebin.org/50018 <- slackytude [14:51] I had a bz2'd tar file totally break on me the other day [14:52] Man, I got punched in the head today - by my mate - for calling his mum "fit" when she was on the phone XD [14:52] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-180.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] compl3x: is that like calling her a milf? [14:52] haha [14:52] antiwire: yeah [14:52] i'd punch you too lol [14:52] lol [14:52] was quite funny - considerign she could hear me [14:52] hahaha [14:52] compl3x, haha [14:53] <_arfon_> :) [14:53] s/considerign/considering [14:53] Pain was totally worth it [14:53] lol [14:53] you might have a chance with her now that she knows [14:53] yeah [14:53] antiwire: been there. [14:53] go for it [14:53] lol [14:53] j/k [14:54] <_arfon_> You gonna feel awkward when you go for Sunday dinner now compl3? [14:54] JosephK (n=Light@24.75.84.31) joined ##slackware. [14:54] no [14:54] just chloroform her [14:54] I don't do sunday dinners :p [14:54] and take her ass [14:54] straterra: ++ [14:54] hiya all [14:54] <[z]imba> Hey no bad feelings every one : aren't v goin off the topic ? [14:54] man - all this sex talk im hungry .. bbiab [14:54] i just discovered a web site of mine got hacked with a bad .htaccess that redirected all search engine results to a pron site :( [14:54] ouch [14:54] dive: fail [14:54] :p [14:54] Having some issue installing slack 12.2 from CD.. .Specifically, I can't seem to get the damn thing to boot my HP Compag P4 computer... Meets all the Hardware requirements as far as I can tell... Anyone able to help a bit? [14:55] what kind of pron [14:55] that's the real question here [14:55] dive: what kind a flaw did they exploit? [14:55] yeah apparently web hosts had problems with major brute force on all ftp servers [14:55] dive, hmmm, could you share the link ? >< [14:55] ^ [14:55] Hey Camarade_Tux [14:55] antiwire, it was just an url rewrite rule for google/* yahoo etc [14:55] hey firebird619, how is it going ? =) [14:55] JosephK: did you burn the CD image as an ISO or did you burn it to the CD as a file? [14:55] I bought the distro [14:55] Camarade_Tux: going great, thanks. You? [14:56] dive: they gained write access to the files ? [14:56] antiwire, yes [14:56] JosephK: Are you set up to boot from CD driev in the BIOS? [14:56] dang [14:56] JosephK: good choice :-) [14:56] firebird619, work to do but doing nice :) [14:56] I changed pass and disabled ftp access for now [14:56] dive: ah that's what i was going to ask, was it ftp enabled [14:56] 14 char pass now [14:56] It boots on a minimal level.. It hangs after a choose a kernel [14:56] This is a HP/Compaq P4 with loads of ram and all that too [14:57] just stops, or does it kernel panic or something? [14:57] I would THINK hugesmp.s would boot... [14:57] But it hangs [14:57] JosephK: does that system support hyperthreading (HT)? [14:57] JosephK: have your tried one of the non-smp kernels? [14:57] JosephK: like huge.s? [14:57] JosephK: go into the bios and disable HT if you can [14:57] ok I can try that [14:57] JosephK: also try macavity's suggestion too [14:58] huge.s hung too... [14:58] seems to like P3 [14:58] Well adesklets won't even build now, errors out: /bin/sh: /bin/sh: cannot execute binary file [14:58] JosephK: this isn't uncommon, but it's also not a super common issue [14:59] JosephK: go over the BIOS settings, and anything that looks suspecious -> turn it off [14:59] JosephK: anything that has "shadow" in its name, for instance [14:59] afk [14:59] it's an American megatrends bios [15:00] Add-On ROM Display Mode is set to force BIOS [15:00] is that bad?? [15:00] or acpi ? (could still be problematic) [15:00] The other choice is keep current [15:00] try flipping stuff on and on, and see if it makes a difference [15:00] suppose i better be off - [15:01] we wouldn't know half the settings anyways [15:01] bye guys!! :p [15:01] K Working on it [15:01] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "leaving" [15:01] http://www.blisstree.com/articles/laugh-it-up-why-i-fired-my-secretary-312/ [15:01] *on and off [15:01] The motherboard has a built in display [15:02] Lexus2 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [15:02] It has 1 gig ram [15:03] antiwire: hahaha [15:03] System keyboard absent, even though there is a USB keyboard attached [15:03] lol [15:03] Perhaps it is looking for the PS2 port to be filled [15:04] antiwire: damn... that hurts to read [15:04] hehe [15:04] <[z]imba> Hey hav any one configured OpenDNS for slackware [15:05] sure [15:05] [z]imba, use the free part only ? [15:05] Nothing suspicious in the bios [15:05] I use openDNS in my border routers [15:05] <[z]imba> Free means freedom .. and i do donate [15:05] I don't get it [15:05] Makes ZERO sense [15:05] The MB has a lot of built in shit on it though [15:05] <[z]imba> Camarade_Tux< :P [15:06] I wonder if some of that is not compatible with Linux Slackware [15:06] <[z]imba> Camarade_Tux< :) [15:06] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.153.41) joined ##slackware. [15:06] <[z]imba> Camarade_Tux< i miss took your question?!!? [15:06] <[z]imba> sory dude [15:07] It seems to hang on CPU0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz Stepping 01 [15:07] I am wondering why it picks that spot to hang.... [15:07] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] <[z]imba> antiwire< how did you retain the resolv.conf after reboot .. in slackware [15:07] CPU Hyper Threading IS Disabled so you know [15:07] JosephK: try passing the noapic and noacpi options to the kernel [15:08] [z]imba, forget that question, are you using dhcp to configure your network adapter ? [15:08] just as a test [15:08] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-113-163.ip38.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "leaving" [15:08] Where in that boot prompt?? [15:08] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:08] <[z]imba> Camarade_Tux< yes .. and i use a client to update my ip [15:08] yes [15:08] Can you type out the right line?? [15:09] one sec [15:09] thanks man [15:09] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.112.192) joined ##slackware. [15:09] It also said something about system check was enabled on the CPU for whatever reason [15:09] But not hyperthreading [15:09] <[z]imba> Camarade_Tux< did you face any problem ? [15:09] thyko (n=tim@196.201.208.129) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:10] <[z]imba> antiwire< how did you retain resolv.conf after reboot !! [15:11] [z]imba, when your card is configured, resolv.conf is overwritten, you can probably change the settings of your dhcp server so it gives you the opendns addresses instead, or you can set your router to use opendns as a dns resolver and don't change anything else [15:11] So far I have hugesmp.s root=/dev/hda1 rdinit=ro that is suggested but never did any good... [15:11] [z]imba: set DHCP_KEEPRESOLV[#]="yes" for your nic [15:11] that one works too :p [15:11] Anyway I think that line is more for booting a partition ON a hard drive [15:11] <[z]imba> well yes that was the point.. !! [15:12] antiwire what is the proper syntax for the boot line to pass those variables you just suggested?? [15:12] JosephK: i think this should do it: hugesmp.s root=/dev/hda1 rdinit=ro noapic acpi=off [15:12] Karu (n=alch@78-28-85-64.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [15:12] okay trying now [15:13] JosephK: it's been a while since I've had to pass any commands to my kernel ;) [15:13] Looks good [15:13] I think that did it [15:13] Nice fucking work! [15:13] ;) [15:13] You rock man! [15:13] Thanks so much [15:14] JosephK: You're welcome! You might want to go back and try them one at a time, maybe it is just the noapic you need [15:14] but then again, many board have ACPI bugs that are epic [15:15] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:16] Can anyone suggest any projets I could do on my slackware so I could improve my skills on linux/slack [15:17] atom_fox: use it everyday [15:17] <[z]imba> atom_fox< mess up your file system [15:17] atom_fox: just using the system is the best way to learn it [15:17] get blade runner to work in wine [15:18] lol [15:18] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:19] maybe my copy of blade runner is just borked [15:19] slackytude: bladerunner the game? [15:20] yes [15:20] oh i thought the film [15:20] nice :) used to have that. Fun game :) [15:20] why would I need wine for the film? [15:21] Action: vastina shrugs [15:21] is there a snazzy wifi app that works well in kde4 for laptops? [15:21] just got in... soaked from the rain outside [15:21] dartmouth, wicd [15:21] dartmouth, what's wrong with wicd? [15:21] Hey vastina, how's it going? [15:21] isn't it called wicd [15:21] oops [15:21] hey firebird619 [15:22] decent... e-mail time [15:22] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:22] With a gig of ram, how much HD space should I leave for the swap partition?? [15:23] JosephK, do you want hibernate? [15:23] if so make it at least as big as ram [15:23] I have a total of 40015.99 available.. No hibernating [15:23] so 1 gig [15:23] well i would probably say 512k - 1gig [15:24] some say more [15:24] happycycling (n=happycyc@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] on modern hardware i'd say 500MB, if that [15:24] erm s/k/m lol [15:24] chopp: you around? [15:25] where can I find the new 64-bit release? Under current? What about a bit torrent file? [15:25] Thanks again :) [15:25] firebird619: just got back yes [15:25] chopp: Did you use the instructions too on the adesklets site for patching. I'm having issues with it. [15:26] well with building that is [15:27] chopp: I get this during trying to build it: /bin/sh: /bin/sh: cannot execute binary file [15:27] firebird619: so the patch applied ok? [15:27] yeah, patch applied fine [15:27] just won't build [15:27] happycycling: there hasn't been a release yet, so -current is all there is until the next release [15:28] Tyrael_ (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:28] I tried just building it with sbopkg, so without patch etc. and it built fine. :P So it's something I'm doing I guess. Any ideas? [15:28] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.44) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:28] firebird619: you're using alienBOB's slackbuild, and the 0.6.1 source? [15:28] yeah [15:28] gooph (n=chatzill@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:29] gabriel (n=gabriel@nat-wifi-voip.campus.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [15:29] firebird619: after patching mine, it built just fine. Maybe some of these other problems you've been having are all related? [15:30] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:30] any idea when the next release will be? [15:31] +1 [15:31] the same wuestion [15:31] chopp: yeah, who knows. I've pretty much got the other issues fixed, all relating to files in /tmp [15:31] happycycling: when it's ready. [15:31] s/w/q [15:31] The stock answer to that is, "when it's ready". [15:32] Though I would guess about two to three months. [15:32] chopp: What did you use to tarball the directory back up? Maybe [15:32] s/Maybe// [15:32] may be I'll stick with 12.2 then until it's final release [15:33] CmdLnKid (n=clk@99.19.41.37) left ##slackware ("echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq'|dc"). [15:33] Which is the safest way to upgrade my slackware 12.2 to slackware 12.2 current? [15:33] I'm using 12.2 at the moment but have a 64current partition for testing. [15:33] installing well [15:33] thanks again guys [15:34] atom_fox: there's either 12.2 or -current, there isn't a 12.2 current. [15:34] how do you make sure you have the latest files for -current branch? [15:34] you pray [15:34] without having to redownload everything, only changes [15:34] rsync works [15:34] just check the changelog for changes [15:34] and then you get rsync [15:34] alien bob's mirror-slackware-current.sh [15:34] I personally rsync myself and use upgradepkg by hand, but slackpkg is also a good tool [15:34] the reason im not doing wicd is it isn't compatible with -current (even though it's in /extra [15:34] why not just use slackpkg or somethin? [15:35] dartmouth: er, yes it is [15:35] replay (n=replay@69.26.205.241) joined ##slackware. [15:35] firebird619: I just compressed it back up with tar. [15:35] then install current by reading the upgrade text [15:36] chopp: yeah, same here. :( [15:36] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:36] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:36] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-40-159-71.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] firebird619: you did edit the .slackbuild right? [15:37] thrice`: weird, I get strange errors trying to call the client from the terminal [15:37] chopp: yup. [15:37] but i just ran it with kdesu and its fine now; thx [15:37] i would like to have it where i don't need to do that.... [15:38] firebird619: I'm not sure exactly why it's not working for you. :( [15:38] dartmouth: well, which errors ? [15:39] samac (n=samac@host86-168-4-215.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:39] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.91) left irc: Connection timed out [15:39] JtH (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [15:43] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.60.99.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:43] greymaus (n=greymaus@86-43-189-210-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:44] chopp: Worth trying the snapshot adesklets has on there that includes the diff file? [15:44] gabriel (n=gabriel@nat-wifi-voip.campus.utfsm.cl) left irc: "Leaving" [15:46] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:47] which vm applicants do you guys prefer that's free or fairly cheap? [15:47] vm server? [15:48] vbox is pretty nice [15:49] vbox is great for personal use [15:49] i use KVM [15:49] firebird619: hey if what you're trying keeps failing, anything at this point is worth trying. :) [15:49] but it requires cpu support [15:50] chopp: lol, yeah, sure is. :P [15:51] I just split about an 1/8 of a cord of firewood in 90F heat [15:51] good lord that's a work out [15:51] chopp: It'll need more changes to the slackbuild. The snapshot just creates an adesklets directory instead of a adesklets-0.6.1 directory. [15:51] antiwire: lol, got your exercise for the day. :P [15:51] greymaus (n=greymaus@86-43-189-210-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [15:51] antiwire: I used to have my own firewood business, I can relate. [15:52] greymaus1 (n=greymaus@86-43-189-210-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [15:52] i had to do it by hand with a splitting maul and a sledge [15:52] <_arfon_> Hard pushing that button on the hydraulic splitter eh Anti? [15:52] yeah right [15:52] <_arfon_> :) [15:52] i wish [15:52] <_arfon_> You're doing it wrong [15:53] i would have done a 1/2 cord if i had a hydro press [15:53] slackpkg install wood-splitter [15:53] <_arfon_> LOL [15:54] damn the twenty minutes sleep I had last night just ain't cutting it. /me heads for the couch. [15:54] <_arfon_> I feel your pain Chopp [15:54] <_arfon_> I've been sucking on Cokes to stay awake [15:55] that is two characters away from being a hilarious typo [15:55] <_arfon_> The Dog barfed all over the living room last night, I had to get up and clean it [15:55] antiwire: haha [15:55] <_arfon_> Guter-mind [15:55] <_arfon_> gutter even [15:56] why have you been sucking on cokes. I find drinking them is easier. :P [15:56] <_arfon_> Oh, and "splitting logs" isn't full of innuendo? [15:56] hahaha [15:56] lol [15:56] ewwww [15:56] I did an install today of an touchscreen system at a perfume shop, and the place had about twenty *smokin hot* chicks working!! [15:57] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:57] chopp, so that's why you didn't sleep? [15:57] <_arfon_> I used to freebase them Fire, but the hotglass hurts too much [15:57] hehe [15:57] <_arfon_> Send Eviljames in ther first Chopp. [15:57] lol [15:57] <_arfon_> He can set you up FTW [15:57] haha [15:57] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("!~Back to the Padded Cell ~! @_@"). [15:58] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:58] yeah I'm just a tad old for any of them. [15:58] <_arfon_> Not if you have money [15:58] Action: eviljames 's ears perk up [15:58] true that [15:59] <_arfon_> Anna Nicole Smith proved that [15:59] lol [15:59] eww [15:59] anna nicole proved that a little affection goes a long way [15:59] Hey, that guy was like 90 and she was a bombshell (in her day) [15:59] Good for him, I say. [15:59] that and we men are stupid when a pair of big boobs are in our face [15:59] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) left irc: "slack64 ftw" [15:59] <_arfon_> Yeah.... Girls want security [15:59] but we already knew the latter [16:00] If, by the time I'm 90, I'm still chasing girls who are out of my league I'll have lived a long and happy life. [16:00] <_arfon_> I know at least two hot girls who married MUCH older men (gross ones at that) because of the "security attraction" [16:00] Ugh, this just isn't going well: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13971 [16:01] _arfon_: security, or social security? :P [16:01] <_arfon_> Money is money Fire [16:01] firebird619: it looks like the structure of the tarball or the source version you pulled is different than the one that was used to create the build script [16:01] you'll have to fix the paths [16:02] <_arfon_> One guy is/was a doctor [16:02] s7 (n=s7@i59F70070.versanet.de) joined ##slackware. [16:02] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: "Bye!" [16:02] <_arfon_> the other a Lawyer [16:02] <_arfon_> Neither women needs Social Security now [16:02] no CS guys then [16:02] <_arfon_> HA HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahaHAHAHAHahhahaha CS GUYS!!! [16:02] Uh [16:02] Melinda Gates [16:02] antiwire: yeah, I changed it to reflect what the tarball is, but I must have missed something somewhere. :P [16:02] <_arfon_> Oh yeah.... [16:02] <_arfon_> MG [16:02] jeev_ (n=root@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [16:03] _arfon_: I'd hit it. :P [16:03] hey im on kde on slack.. 52" screen but 1024x768 i think.. how could i see what the screen supports [16:03] <_arfon_> She EARNS her money putting up with Billy' [16:03] and at least change it [16:03] jeev_: xrandr [16:03] <_arfon_> Yeah MG is cute [16:03] yea i tried it but said somethin [16:03] idle_ (n=idle@d199-74-168-16.try.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:03] do ineed to alter the config first? [16:03] nah [16:04] jeev_: just man xrandr and look through the options [16:04] it's a 52" i think it's like 1920 x something [16:04] i cant even xrandr --size 1280x1024 [16:04] <_arfon_> Slackpkg install girlfriend.tgz [16:04] hahaha [16:04] no such package [16:04] <_arfon_> ERROR 1. Not enough resources [16:04] not found in available modes [16:05] <_arfon_> Oh, my mistake... slackpkg install girfriend.tgx [16:05] jeev_: you could also grep through /var/log/Xorg.0.log to find what modes might be supported [16:05] txz _arfon_. :P [16:05] <_arfon_> Yeah [16:05] 1024x768 is max it shows [16:05] <_arfon_> did I mention earlier: [16:05] <_arfon_> <---moron [16:05] No, but I just assumed. :P [16:05] jk [16:05] i guiess my video card hasn't been located maybe? [16:05] <_arfon_> :) [16:05] <_arfon_> You guessed right [16:05] haha [16:05] jeev_: Most likely. Are you using vesa modes? [16:06] it's a default install. [16:06] i installed it to test cuda [16:06] err, I'm slow. What graphics device are you using? [16:06] ahh, xorg auto detected [16:06] i think an 8800GT [16:06] nvidia [16:06] Have you installed the binary drivers? [16:06] negative. [16:06] i'm sitting uncomfortably like this for this stupid tv [16:07] what's the fastest way i could get them, i'm on a nasty screen [16:07] heh, I'd install those first, then restart xorg and see what xrandr tells you after that [16:07] Shuren (n=Devilman@host118-171-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:07] wil just go to nvidia's site i guess [16:07] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A7593A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:08] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-98-192-66-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:08] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-31-239.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:08] when you're running vm software how do you use your cd-rom? Two OSes are competing for it right? [16:08] please try at a later time. great. [16:08] you can pass it through to the client OS [16:08] ah [16:09] most VM's have an option for that [16:09] CtrlAltCa (n=kvirc@host210-63-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:09] happycycling: I feed my VMs ISO files as the CDROM [16:09] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [16:09] works for USB as well [16:09] sometimes [16:09] optical media is dead. [16:09] what about installing the OS in vm? Do you recommend actually booting to make sure it installs correctly? [16:09] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A7593A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:09] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [16:09] ? [16:09] I don't fully understand that one [16:10] jeev_ (n=root@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [16:10] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-180.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:10] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-70.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:10] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [16:10] happycycling, how do you want to use it, if you dont boot it? [16:10] I mean installing an OS [16:10] yes? [16:10] do you use the VM for that too? [16:10] well, yes [16:11] or do you recommend truly loading the CD ROM? [16:11] it's a VM..the OS is installed just like on real hardware and the VM guest acts just like any hardware system [16:11] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [16:11] ISO or real CD, doesnt matter [16:11] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:11] except an ISO is better of course [16:11] how do you load that? [16:11] depends on your VM software [16:11] okay [16:11] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.60.99.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:12] its not hard in any VM solution I know, tho [16:12] jeev_ (n=root@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [16:12] depends on the VM, KVM+qemu lets you specify a device or file as the cdrom [16:12] i installed it and now it's finding more modes but nothing above 1024 [16:12] so does vbox and vmware [16:12] jeev_: probably don't want to be irc as root. [16:12] awesome [16:12] I just installed vbox [16:12] :) this is on a lan, i'll disable it when i get it running, temporary [16:13] any suggestions ? [16:13] teehee [16:13] BitchX-1.1-final+ by panasync - Linux 2.6.27.7-smp [16:13] Hmm. [16:13] Action: antiwire checks CVE [16:13] why wont xrandr find it above 1024 [16:14] In the context of I/O redirection, what's a file descriptor? [16:14] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:14] ccfreak2k: an entry in the file system. [16:14] jeev, maybe your kernel video module doesnt support those resolutions [16:14] what windows calls a file handle [16:15] so now i have to rebuild kernel [16:15] let me see what config shows [16:15] slackytude, a handle is an instance of the file opened by a program. [16:15] no, probably just load a different module [16:15] eviljames: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-4584 [16:15] i instaled nvidia's drivers just now [16:15] :o [16:15] ccfreak2k, yes, a file descriptor is just an int. 0 is the file descriptor for stdin [16:15] Are the descriptors for stdout/stderr listed anywhere? [16:15] antiwire: yeah, that's the first result if you google bitchx 1.1 vulnerability :P [16:16] 0,1,3 [16:16] lol [16:16] 0,1,2 [16:16] so on slack is there a kernel package you can use to update to the latest kernel or is it better to compile it yourself? [16:16] heh [16:16] eviljames , suggestions ? [16:16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_descriptor [16:16] ccfreak2k: stdin = 0, stdout = 1, stderr = 2 [16:16] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:16] Oh, just those? [16:16] Action: slackytude nods [16:16] ok, nvidia has a gui setup program, /usr/bin/nvidia-settings [16:16] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:16] try that [16:16] oikj [16:16] what tank-man said. [16:16] anytime you open a file, you'll get an int returned by fopen [16:17] nice [16:17] got it [16:17] how come when i click the terminal taht's open for example, it acts like it wants to pick it up [16:17] it's annoying [16:19] marchhare (n=marchhar@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:19] and firefox is stuck at software license agreemnet [16:19] i can barely see accept [16:19] jeev_: hold alt and click, then move the window [16:19] ok cool, i pressed enter on it [16:20] for 1920x1080 or whatever, it still looks too big [16:20] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [16:20] i cant see all of google [16:20] well, google is pretty big [16:20] and when i hold my mouse above the scroll down window after i've made one click, it continues scrolling [16:21] antiwire what is the proper syntax AGAIN for the boot line to pass those variables you just suggested?? [16:21] I think I will need to pass that again on the HD boot [16:21] slackytude: http://www.instantrimshot.com/ [16:22] eviljames, that doesnt sound nice [16:22] sfw [16:22] I thing it was something like root=/dev/hda1 noacpi apci=off [16:22] that's *shot*, not *job* [16:23] bbiab [16:23] jeev_ (n=root@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: "Read error: 2.99792458 x 10^8 meters/second (Excessive speed of light)" [16:24] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [16:24] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-55-213-233.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:25] Hmm. [16:26] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@default-ip-teleglobe.shellfusion.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:26] eviljames, that doesnt amuse me [16:26] Great now the damn thing won't freaking booty [16:26] probably because I have sound turned off [16:27] hah [16:27] I made the first partition the linux partition and tagged it as bootable [16:27] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [16:27] yea, probably. But it was a response to "Well, Google is pretty big..." [16:27] The BOOTSTICK won't even boot [16:27] damn thing [16:27] JosephK: read the info on the screen when you boot the install CD #1 before the kernel boots [16:27] k [16:28] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-40-159-71.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:28] installed it already [16:28] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@default-ip-teleglobe.shellfusion.net) joined ##slackware. [16:28] but hd wont boot [16:28] pissing me off [16:28] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [16:28] and your trying to get an installed system to boot? [16:29] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:29] which kernel did you choose, there are four of them and two require you to make an initrd after you install, choose one that does not require an initrd [16:30] ok im here [16:30] yay [16:30] /away sleep [16:30] oops [16:30] Nick change: chess -> help [16:30] ##slackware: mode change '+b help!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:30] help kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: requested [16:31] Pig_Pen I have installed already... [16:31] O_o [16:31] I used hugesmp.s to get it to boot off the CD [16:32] but I also had to pass parameters to get that to boot [16:32] hahahaha [16:32] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.112.192) left irc: "Leaving" [16:32] can we request bans now? [16:32] Who set that ban? That's great! [16:32] plz to be banning slackytude thx! [16:32] chess (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess) joined ##slackware. [16:32] Action: slackytude requests a ban on eviljames [16:32] chess: that's a great ban :P [16:32] oops [16:32] slackytude: plz dont, that ban would probably get fulfilled :P [16:32] lolz [16:32] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:32] fun way to part the channel [16:32] Nick change: slackytude -> help [16:33] help kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: requested [16:33] lol [16:33] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A7593A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:33] eviljames: I'll ban ya from #studios if you like. :P [16:33] no help in this channel :-) [16:33] heh [16:33] hahaha [16:33] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [16:33] Nick change: Urchlay -> plz_help [16:33] hmmm [16:34] Nick change: plz_help -> help_plz [16:34] mmm [16:34] plz_help: change your nick to help|away [16:34] lol, best ban evar!!!eleven [16:34] I tried to enter that same info into the lilo thing on the config, to no avail [16:34] I can haz talking in ##slackware? [16:34] Nick change: help_plz -> Urchlay [16:34] I am rebooting off the CD which is working [16:34] <_arfon_> No Urch, but you can have a cheezburger [16:34] so should I put that exact line into the lilo config?? [16:34] mmmm [16:35] ajuna (n=happycyc@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-235-160.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:35] <_arfon_> So what if you had a hero who banished a bad guy.... [16:35] I was so sad to find out that the greatest cheezbooger place in the world closed :( [16:36] <_arfon_> ...and the bad guy swore to come back even more powerful.... [16:36] Gusto Burger in St. Albert, AB Canada made burgers slightly larger than a dinner plate [16:36] i don't see the problem here eviljames [16:36] eviljames: I had one like that at Perkins, about the size of the plate. [16:36] <_arfon_> And he spent the next part of his life doing nothing but becoming more powerful to exact revenge on the hero.... [16:36] <_arfon_> Then he comes back and finds the hero died many years ago? [16:37] Necos: The problem is that it was a 1 man shop, and he retired. [16:37] <_arfon_> THAT would be funny [16:37] <_arfon_> Roy's closed? [16:38] <_arfon_> Whne did that happen? [16:38] <_arfon_> When even [16:38] _arfon_: I somehow think we're on different topics. [16:38] <_arfon_> I know [16:38] <_arfon_> I was just thinking out loud [16:39] What's Roy's anyway? [16:39] Hmm [16:39] <_arfon_> Funny how your mind wanders when you're hopelessly tired but stuck at a desk until 5 [16:39] I/O redirection does not seem to be working like I want it to. [16:39] eviljames: had a few gusto burgers myself. :) We lived in St Albert for a few years. [16:39] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427151.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:39] <_arfon_> Roy's Big Burger in Richmond Virginia [16:39] <_arfon_> the BEST hamburegers in the world [16:39] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.33) joined ##slackware. [16:40] chopp: ahh, so you know then. Mr. Gusto made the best burgers I've ever had. He retired though, I think the cell phone store next door took over his location :/ [16:40] ccfreak2k: how so? You wish to output stdout/stderr elsewhere? [16:41] <_arfon_> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3273/2701868630_10a1d3499e.jpg?v=0 [16:41] ccfreak2k: ie: command 1> output.log 2> error.log [16:41] <_arfon_> One place, no seating [16:41] eviljames, I have: command &> log [16:41] I want to redirect -all- output to a file. [16:42] eviljames: we'd go there, and have to listen to him bitch about the retards across the street. (McDonalds, and Arbys) lol. and yes telus snapped up his location. [16:42] ccfreak2k: command &> log 2>&1 [16:42] I always forget the syntax for that [16:42] ah, sitwon beat me to it. [16:42] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:43] chopp: hahahah yeah. I went there with my grandpa a few years ago, and he tried to order the King burger. Gusto just laughed, and said "Maybe 20 years ago you could eat that burger!" [16:43] abby (n=abby@88-202-52-15.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [16:43] haha [16:43] _arfon_: If I'm ever in Richmond VA I'll check itout. I'm in Richmond BC right now :P [16:44] <_arfon_> That's a freaky coincidence [16:44] <_arfon_> I'm going to Richmond Texas this weekend [16:44] _arfon_: Five Guys has the best burgers and you know it! [16:44] <_arfon_> I laugh at Five Guys [16:44] And they have vinegar with their fries, so they're double-win [16:45] sitwon, that doesn't appear to be working. [16:45] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [16:45] <_arfon_> <--like vinegar [16:45] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.22) left irc: [16:45] The log file remains blank. [16:45] _arfon_, smile once in a while and you wont be so sour [16:45] ccfreak2k: command & > logfile 2>&1 the 2>&1 means direct stderr to the same place as stdout [16:45] <_arfon_> It takes less energy to frown :( [16:46] <_arfon_> Plus, that's part of my plnat to be immortal [16:46] <_arfon_> plan even [16:46] doeppjakab (n=doeppjak@89.123.79.75) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:46] <_arfon_> It's the grouchy old farts that just seem to last forvever [16:46] <_arfon_> So I'm trying to be one [16:46] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [16:46] sitwon: shouldn't the forking & be after the log redirection? [16:47] eviljames: uh... possibly. probably. definitely. my bad. [16:47] command 2>&1 > logfile & [16:47] abby (n=abby@88-202-52-15.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:47] command 2>&1 > logfile & tail -f logfile [16:48] eviljames: you need a ; before tail [16:48] hah my bad :D [16:48] Does the trailing & background the logfile or something? [16:48] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-174-122.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [16:48] we've really mastered this bourne shell syntax haven't we [16:48] it backgrounds the whole shebang [16:49] Well I'd like to keep the command in the foreground. [16:49] no he does not need a ";" before tail [16:49] It's in screen, so it's not tying up the console. [16:49] then it would just sit silently w/o any output until completion. [16:49] I'm suggesting to background and then tail the logfile so you know what's going on [16:49] I have tail running in another screen. [16:49] ahh, then yea, ignore the closing & [16:50] thats what the original command did [16:50] instead of "> logfile" try "| tee logfile" [16:50] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@97-86-234-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:50] sitwon: That's what the problem really is, shell syntax has too many ways to get things done! [16:50] Hmm. [16:50] alphageek (i=rooot@76-10-168-52.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [16:50] alphageek (i=rooot@76-10-168-52.dsl.teksavvy.com) left ##slackware ("frobnicate foo!"). [16:51] That's a hilariously good idea. [16:51] command 2>&1 > logfile appears to work, but some of the text that would normally be in the console isn't present in the logfile. [16:51] I'm goign to rename the root account on my system to roooooooooot [16:51] eviljames: that's exactly why I hate perl [16:51] ccfreak2k: like what? 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[16:55] that grilled ribeye steak tasted so good it was worth the high cholesterol i got from it [16:55] The text was just lagged. [16:55] I wonder why. [16:55] try reading from a fd in a different manner [16:56] Wait. [16:56] tail reads from a file AS a program writes to it right? [16:57] and sometimes waits on a buffer until its flushed [16:57] That's probably why it appears to not work. [16:57] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [16:57] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:57] try xtail [16:58] CtrlAltCa (n=kvirc@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [16:58] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) left irc: ":wq" [16:59] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-247-6.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [16:59] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) joined ##slackware. [16:59] Ekc (n=iskar@90-154-132-39.btc-net.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:00] <_arfon_> I am in Exim hell. [17:00] <_arfon_> Why do mail servers have to be so hard to configure!?! [17:00] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.153.41) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:01] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: "Leaving" [17:01] WastePotato (n=WastePot@unaffiliated/wastepotato) joined ##slackware. [17:01] to separate the wheat from the chaff [17:02] <_arfon_> Nice [17:02] <_arfon_> Sux being the chaff [17:03] exim is not part of slack-12.2, is it in current? or just something you built? [17:03] uva_ (i=bno@118-168-234-171.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:03] i seen it in debian [17:03] <_arfon_> Work... Debian (yuck) shop [17:04] debian defies logic [17:04] JtH, doesn't appears to be making any difference. [17:04] <_arfon_> The existing config file is A DISASTER! [17:04] The file itself is lacking the lines I'm looking for. [17:04] <_arfon_> I KNOW!?! How did Debian get so popular???? [17:04] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [17:04] <_arfon_> It's crap! [17:04] ask in #debian [17:04] gooph (n=chatzill@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]" [17:05] <_arfon_> Okay ...brb [17:05] it's meant to be easy to administrate and doesn't require real skills :) [17:05] gooph (n=gooph@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:05] (I'm not saying it's for idiots, no, I'm not saying that at all...) [17:05] Does bash I/O redirection wait for something before flushing? [17:06] <_arfon_> They said "You suck and we hate you" [17:06] dpkg reconfigure everything [17:07] dpgs msconfigure everything :) [17:07] crap, s/msconfigure/misconfigure/ [17:07] <_arfon_> HA HA!!! [17:07] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427151.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:08] <_arfon_> I thought you were trying to us microsoft configurations on debian [17:08] replay (n=replay@69.26.205.241) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:08] i hate that /etc/alternatives, supposed to be easy but it is not well documented, i found better info googling than i ever did at debian's website [17:08] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [17:09] <_arfon_> ..and friggin symbolic links all over the place.... [17:09] <_arfon_> Ian must own stock in a symlink manufacturing company [17:09] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [17:09] your supposed to be able to set the defualt apps through alternatives, and its supposed to have a fall back but that does not work good either [17:09] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:10] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:10] <_arfon_> Yeah the alternatives thing blows too [17:10] <_arfon_> and the local package archive... [17:10] debian basically made their distro in to a massive fusterCluck [17:10] dwnwtmac (n=thybridd@rrcs-67-78-222-89.se.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:11] Ekc (n=iskar@90-154-132-39.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [17:11] hi room [17:11] <_arfon_> Hi Mca [17:11] <_arfon_> Mac [17:11] I have a question.. [17:12] how in the world do I get Gnome on slack? [17:12] <_arfon_> Thanks for the news [17:12] gsb, dropline, gware... [17:12] <_arfon_> gslacky [17:12] cmk_zzz (n=martink@125-237-112-135.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [17:12] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.153.41) joined ##slackware. [17:12] which one is more up to date? [17:12] My stance is still: "Don't bother" [17:12] but there are options out there [17:12] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:13] g-slackbuild is based on 12.1 [17:13] <_arfon_> gslacky has a verison out for 12.2 [17:13] dropline is too I think [17:13] ok [17:14] gslacky [17:14] got it [17:14] thanks [17:14] I am amazed how complex Gnome seems to be under the hood [17:14] <_arfon_> Don't be scared that it's in an italian site [17:14] pi31415: is it easy to dev on? Is that why people like it? [17:15] pi31415: I can never figure that part of things out. [17:15] _arfon_: do u use gslacky or gnome for that matter? [17:15] I don't know [17:15] <_arfon_> Don't know P but, it seems like everything someone wants to to load on their box requires some Gnome package [17:15] i modded my first video with avidemux, i cropped about 278 frames off the front of the video [17:16] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:16] <_arfon_> I don't Dwn. I've been meaning to install it but I wanted to upgrade my Slamdbox first [17:16] it even made the aspect ratio better than the original [17:17] Pig_Pen: You like avidemux? [17:17] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-31-239.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [17:17] i did learn something, when cropping off the front of the video you have to leave the very first frame intact like go from frame number 2 up to 278 or the video will bork [17:17] i like it a lot firebird619 [17:18] I tried taking the first few frames of the beginning, but it didn't work. :P [17:18] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:18] i got up at four am and built it before i had to go to work [17:18] nice [17:18] tds5016 (n=travis@64.178.96.214.dynamic.dejazzd.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:18] and now you have the weekend to mess with it. :) [17:18] anybody running the kiba-dock, awn, or cairo-dock? [17:19] leave the first frame, it has meta info that video players need, start at frame 2 and you should be ok [17:19] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.39) left irc: [17:19] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [17:19] one frame only lasts half a second so you wont hardly notice it being there when playing [17:19] OK, I'll give that a try, the first frame was the one I wanted off though. :P, but I'll try that. thanks. [17:20] Pig_Pen: yeah, it maybe won't be noticeable. [17:20] Dominian (i=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: "brb grsec kernel reboot" [17:20] uva (i=bno@118-168-234-171.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Success [17:20] manwichmakesamea (n=acoleman@97.86.30.68) joined ##slackware. [17:21] firebird619: what editing software are you using for video? [17:21] avidemux [17:22] manwichmakesamea (n=acoleman@97.86.30.68) left irc: Client Quit [17:22] Dominian (i=dominian@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [17:22] wb Dominian [17:23] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [17:23] thanks [17:23] Pig_Pen: Did you do anything else besides leave the first frame? [17:24] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-247-6.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:24] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-70.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:25] ovnicraft (i=1000@190.154.240.13) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:26] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:27] i read the wiki to figure out how to crop some frames out of the first part of the video, you have to those those a b buttons to set your markers [17:28] Hmm. [17:28] macavity: (or anyone else). Possible stupid question. .la files are not used at runtime (as opposed to link time), are they? [17:28] it took a few tries to get it right, just keep an origional copy of your video and play the edited one after you save it to make sure it is what you want [17:28] JtH, the console redirect does appear to work, but because the buffer never gets flushed, the log doesn't populate with any useful lines until MUCH later. [17:28] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-247-6.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [17:29] Pig_Pen: yeah, I'll have to mess around with it a bit. Thanks [17:29] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: "Leaving" [17:29] manwichmakeameal (n=acoleman@97.86.30.68) joined ##slackware. [17:30] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMOU7qZVwJs i wonder if avidemux will do flv videos [17:30] manwichmakeameal (n=acoleman@97.86.30.68) left irc: "Leaving" [17:30] Pig_Pen, well, considering FLV is not AVI... [17:31] ccfreak2k: Really? I didnt know that [17:31] find a high def vid and it might be worth the trouble [17:31] Urchlay, I think *.la are libraries used for static linking. [17:31] but only when you're actually building stuff [17:31] They would be used at compile time. [17:31] right [17:32] that fits with the atimes on the ones I'm looking at [17:32] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) joined ##slackware. [17:32] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) joined ##slackware. [17:34] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0B950.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:35] <_arfon_> Welllll, it's been a hard day at work (chatting on this channel). Time for me to start packing up. [17:35] <_arfon_> You guys have a good holiday [17:35] lol [17:35] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [17:35] you too Arirang [17:35] Hard days worth. [17:35] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) left irc: "Leaving." [17:35] Action: agentc0re|work just got back from the bar [17:36] I'm at work right now :P got to love watching the graphs waiting for something to blowup. [17:36] I'm back at work :P [17:36] agentc0re|work: your work has a bar at it? thats nice. [17:36] No, i wish. The mini bar is in my backpack though :P. [17:36] haha ahh I see [17:36] Went out for a long lunch. Had a couple pitchers of beer. [17:36] New Slackware64-ready src2pkg version is out: http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/amigolinux/download/src2pkg/ [17:37] cmk_zzz (n=martink@125-237-112-135.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:38] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0B950.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:38] lol [17:38] Guess he just felt like telling us that eh? Never wants to stick around to chat. [17:39] aww, I wish I could convince my work to expense the beer :/ [17:40] he is just shy [17:41] http://idle.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/22/1653212 [17:42] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [17:43] beer sucks! [17:43] heretic! [17:43] !? [17:43] "An anonymous study of 2,000 British men and women concluded that out of all jobs, computer geeks make the best lovers. They were found to be the most selfless in bed, the most adventurous and more likely to use sex toys, wireless or otherwise." [17:43] wireless?? [17:43] what could you do wireless in bed [17:43] thrice`_ (i=thrice@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [17:43] jeev: Why do you say that? (Not that I have ever had it.) [17:44] Hahahaha [17:44] thrice` (i=thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:44] i dunno, i dont drink [17:44] beer is the oldest beverage since the dawn of civilization roughly 10 thousand years ago [17:44] jeev, google for "wireless sex toy" [17:44] jeev: I like that study... [17:44] heh [17:44] slackytude, i dont think i want to [17:44] wireless = phone... :) [17:44] heh [17:44] you know you want to [17:44] Nick change: thrice`_ -> thrice` [17:45] LOL [17:45] lol [17:45] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:45] aint nobody shoving a phone up anyones place [17:45] lies [17:45] except straterra :P [17:46] now you know why cellphones have a vibrate mode, (sextoy [17:46] haha Pig_Pen beat me to it ;) [17:47] dlopez (n=dlopez@200-63-163-21.static.speedy.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [17:47] firedix (n=firedix@201.254.127.123) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [17:48] slackerII (n=Tiberius@41.208.11.160) joined ##slackware. [17:48] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:49] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:49] jeev: Why do you think phones come in different sizes and shapes? [17:49] straterra: What kind of phone do you have? [17:49] Pig_Pen, ever looked up the "trance vibrator"? [17:49] Kenjiro (n=kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) left ##slackware. [17:49] 700p [17:49] no [17:50] teledildonics [17:50] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.33) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:50] (there's a combination of Greek words the ancients probably never thought of) [17:51] they thought about it [17:51] a lot [17:51] up close & personal though, not tele (from a distance) [17:51] i read about that at wired.com once [17:52] that's just gross [17:53] slackerII (n=Tiberius@41.208.11.160) left irc: "Leaving" [17:53] straterra: Ah, you like'em wide eh? ;) [17:53] :P [17:53] spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:53] like urmom's ass [17:54] :) [17:54] win 23 [17:54] oops [17:55] straterra: If you like Meth whores asses, then you might know. [17:56] rbjt (n=rbjt@187.144.14.73) joined ##slackware. [17:56] Other than that, i wouldn't know. You might have a better idea than me if you've seen her recently since i haven't seen her in years. Btw, how is she doing? [17:57] http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/sys/1183792720.html ibm thinkpad [17:57] uva (i=bno@118-160-162-70.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:57] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Leaving." [17:58] Pig_Pen: Lol, i dunno if i'd even pay $40 for that. [17:58] too old? [17:58] Yes. [17:59] You know sometimes it's better to go in debt for something that will be 10x better than it's 1/3 of price counter part. [17:59] 165 is fairly high for a used laptop, 100 bucks more and you got a new little netbook [17:59] I'm sure you could find something better for about the same price. [17:59] exactly [17:59] I was just about to say you could get a new acer netbook at costco for $345 [17:59] atom 1.6 hyperthread cpu [18:00] 1gb ram [18:00] 160gb hd [18:01] i think HP went in partners with some phone company and you can get one for 200 plus a contract but i would wait to see if it is locked hardware and what the consecquences are for canceling the contract [18:01] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:01] In North America, they're always locked hardware, and the consequences are always dire. [18:02] got another question.. Im looking into a career in programming as well as linux programming/admin... what language should I start my career with/learn first? [18:02] get one with a fake ID then they cant trace you, fdisk it and install linux :D [18:02] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:02] Pig_Pen: In the USA there are laws against circumventing TPMs. [18:03] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [18:03] thats why you do it TPB style [18:03] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.153.41) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [18:04] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-57-152.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:04] i bet HP and whatever phone co probably locked the hell out of the hardware and possibly has a chip that calls home whenever a internet connection is available [18:05] dwnwtmac: Java. [18:05] dwnwtmac, everybody will tell you something different. Id say python is good. but you should still consider C. nothing will teach you as much of the inner workings than C. but you wont need it tha much thses days [18:05] dwnwtmac: bash :D [18:05] Oh. If you've never programmed before Python will help you wrap your head around a number of the important concepts. [18:05] scripting of any sort [18:05] admins != programing [18:06] perl ;) [18:06] programmers don't get along with admins. [18:06] yeah, python allows you to focus on the algorithmn. [18:06] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:07] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.153.41) joined ##slackware. [18:07] i emailed him and said 75 bucks is the best i could do for that old laptop [18:08] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.43.118) joined ##slackware. [18:08] I love how people think that programming language FOO will enlighten them or make their code magically pretty [18:08] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:09] for some reason yakauake isn't executing anything in /etc/profile.d [18:09] happycycling (n=happycyc@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] is there a way to install slackware using an iso off your hard drive besides running vm software? [18:09] or using the install cd/dvd [18:09] ocaml \\o o// \o/ [18:09] dartmouth, login shell? [18:09] I think Java and C have a lot curve to overcome.. I would rather have cut my teeth on a language like python or javascript [18:10] slackboy: yeah thats what i want [18:10] it just gives me a bash prompt though [18:10] dartmouth: bash(1) - INVOCATION. [18:10] BP{k}: that sounds like a heavy metal album [18:10] C is the language Java, Python, and Javascript are written in... [18:10] pi31415, Im not really sure. Ive learn C first. But can I recommend that? i dont think so. but maybe its better [18:10] happycycling, you can manually mount the partition (DO NOT USE /mnt for that !), then mount the iso and finally point the slackware installer to the folder where you mounted the iso [18:11] BP{k}: thank you, I'll read that as it might become relevant later on. [18:11] Urchlay: wrong [18:11] Camarade_Tux do you have a how to you could site me? [18:11] (eh, well, some bits of Java are probably in C++, and some Javascript implementations are definitely C++) [18:11] eviljames: hehe. "and now on stage "BASHMASHERS with INVOCATION!" ;) [18:11] Urchlay: javascript can be written in any number of languages including scheme [18:11] BP{k}: hahaha you got it [18:12] yeah. I suppose I mean the most common implementations. The ones in web browsers... [18:12] same for python. there is a C interpreter, but also a .Net, Java and python interpreter [18:12] Urchlay: I would not recommend that a newbie cut their teeth on mozilla code =) [18:12] eh, .Net is almost certainly written in C++, Java is C and maybe C++, and Python is C... [18:13] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [18:13] Lazerdood (n=Lazerdoo@ip-244-43-149-91.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [18:13] Urchlay, There are python interpreter written in C, java, Net and python [18:13] hey guys [18:13] Is it possible to change the keyboard layout without rebooting the X server? [18:13] just saying, C is the "native language" of the UNIX world. Probably a good idea to learn it... if nothing else, it influences the way a lot of later languages were designed [18:14] that is true [18:14] It is a good idea to learn it. But you can start with something simpler first [18:14] happycycling, not really : but something along mkdir /aze /qsd; mount /dev/sdaX /aze; mount -o loop /aze/path/to/the/iso /qsd [18:14] a python interpreter written in python... yeah. And the python that's running it is written in C, Java (again, C), or .Net (C++) [18:14] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042315]" [18:14] uva_ (i=bno@118-168-234-171.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:15] and then, during slackware installation, select the option that lets you install from a folder and point to /qsd [18:15] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [18:15] or maybe you have a python interpreter, running on another python interpreter, running on another python... eventually you hit some other language though [18:15] (with sdaX replaced by the correct partition name, and aze and qsd being random names) [18:16] I'd hate to be trying to learn C++ without already knowing C [18:16] Action: compl3x hates C++ .. loves C [= [18:16] (there's just too much of C++ that's done the way it is for C compatibility and no other reason) [18:16] compl3x: agreed. [18:16] :) [18:16] c++ gets ugly quick [18:16] Action: compl3x loves getting down and dirty with C [18:16] ;) [18:17] i'm hiring coders.. [18:17] work for me for free for 10 eyars [18:17] 10 years [18:17] heh [18:17] then maybe you get paid [18:17] who's interested [18:17] jeev: I am. [18:17] that sounds like my present job, no thanks [18:17] kik [18:17] jeev, only if you buy my bridge [18:17] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:17] today, we're going to use casts : (with 'a' already defined as int), float f = (int) a; but no, with C++ you can do float f = int(a) :) [18:17] will we be doing your homework? [18:17] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.153.41) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [18:17] personnaly, I'd use half of each: float f = int)(a; [18:18] lol [18:18] :) [18:18] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:18] gaaa, mosquito ! [18:18] Wow! ... In channel linux stew has banned my entire isp :( [18:18] Well, if you hate thinkers and coders... [18:19] eh? who said that? [18:19] no [18:19] homework is for losers [18:19] or, you got your ISP banned for hating? [18:19] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.153.41) joined ##slackware. [18:20] dwnwtmac (n=thybridd@rrcs-67-78-222-89.se.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:20] Urchlay: Ive been coding oss apps since 1996, am i hating ? [18:20] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: Client Quit [18:20] I dunno, you haven't said anything yet one way or the other [18:20] neat. [18:20] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:21] yesterday god spoke to me and enlightened me, now I know where C++'s >> operator comes from... shell scripts... [18:21] (no wonder C++ gets ugly) [18:21] :) [18:21] or should I say :>> [18:21] nooper, don't ! [18:21] lol [18:21] nooper, sorry, I jus meant 'no' [18:21] it has been a great moment [18:22] Today i shalt be goodlie! :P Camarade_Tux: Seek your inner grral, the multiplicator known as << :) [18:22] cbpye (n=cbpye@c-71-229-61-232.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:22] Im lucky not be be in #linux because the ops seems to be running amok [18:22] eh? you're overriding << to mean * in some other class? funky... [18:22] right now, I'll most probably just seek sleep :) [18:23] Aye! [18:23] cbpye (n=cbpye@c-71-229-61-232.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:23] As in : means or [18:23] operator overloading is one of those things that gets abused a lot more than it gets used sanely [18:23] it'd be fun to make << mean * in gcc's headers, would give lots of headaches to C++ programmers :D [18:23] Urchlay: Keh ? [18:23] evo- (n=evo@a89-182-214-202.net-htp.de) left irc: "Don't mind your make-up, make your mind up!" [18:24] Camarade_Tux: my favorite is "#define private public" [18:24] Urchlay, lol ;p [18:24] or #define public private :p [18:24] agh! [18:24] operator overloading is one of the things I like in C++ [18:24] confrey (n=dario@94.162.132.93) joined ##slackware. [18:24] unless its done by somebody else [18:24] slackytude: well said [18:25] gypsydawg (n=mike@71.197.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:25] I feel that C++ was just invented to make people think more and not code very well [18:25] Urchlay, in ocaml it's not possible to overload operators (yes, even +), at first that seemed annoying but after having seen how much <<'s (and others) overloading was abused, I'm actually pretty happy :) [18:26] Camarade_Tux: the one that used to irritate me a lot: in Java you can't overload operators, but the + operator is magically overloaded for String [18:26] there is no way to write your own StringReplacement class... [18:26] Urchlay, he :p [18:26] java is just odd [18:26] imho java is just awful [18:26] yeah, that too [18:26] sure it's not part of a class and is actually redefined there ? [18:27] java is just an alien [18:27] Snort! [18:27] You can do some cool stuff with java - if you get your head into it, but its interpreted and so god damn slow [18:27] does somebody portuguese speaking here? [18:27] no [18:27] compl3x: java is not interpreted, it is compiled and run within a virtual machine. [18:27] :) [18:27] Habla Habla [18:27] java is not really that slow. [18:27] its just stinks [18:27] no it's not. [18:27] reminds me that next year we'll have "operating systems" classes, I'm not sure we'll be using slackware (or *bsd, or lfs) =/ [18:28] eviljames: thats what I was trying to say- couldn't think how to get it out [18:28] java and all other runtime compiled languages are SLOW!!! [18:28] fucking #slackware-br, i cannot join there... ( [18:28] Camarade_Tux, I liked our operrating system class [18:28] Oh yeah, and the slowness was an issue from a long time ago that iirc has been resolved. [18:28] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [18:28] slackytude, I just hope mine won't be on ubuntu =/ [18:28] Java, Mono, microsft .NET (Yikes) [18:28] I don't notice any slowness in Java anymore... then again maybe the programmer's delight (hardware catches up) has happened. [18:28] I guess I'd be trolling the whole year if it is :D [18:28] Starchaser, are you using proxies, web irc clients or other odd way to connect? [18:28] Lazerdood, you code everythin in assembly then? why faster than C [18:28] Lazerdood: Yes, they are inherently slower than C or asm [18:28] Camarade_Tux, lol [18:29] slackytude> C [18:29] Lazerdood: However, they're also WORA, which is pretty useful. [18:29] s/pretty/unbelievably/ [18:29] sombriks: no, just direct connect [18:29] eviljames, it's still slow to start but java's performance has increased a *lot* [18:29] (new techniques) [18:29] eviljames: You must be listeing to media much ? [18:29] and s/java's/jre's/ [18:29] depends on what you're trying to do, too. Some stuff, you can code a lot faster in one of the uber-high-level languages than you could in C [18:29] WORA ? [18:29] sombriks: but i have very large NAT. May be it is [18:29] Lazerdood: Write Once, Run Anywhere. [18:29] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [18:29] Its gonna be slow [18:30] you know that [18:30] fallen usually ban "contamined machines", internacional connections and some ocasional ones, ;) [18:30] Lazerdood: Speed is /a/ factor. It's not /the only/ factor. [18:30] eviljames: unfortunately that doesn't always apply to Java... String filename = "C:\\Windows\\Blah"; // FAIL! [18:30] haha [18:30] eviljames: Its the only factor besides usability [18:30] do you guys find the slackbook helpful or use HOWTOs/Man pages isnteal? [18:30] Urchlay: That's poor programming, not Java's fault :P [18:31] happycycling: slackbook is very helpful. [18:31] (##slackware) Channel ban on help!*@* expired. [18:31] ##slackware: mode change '-b help!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [18:31] eviljames: You dont wanna wait a few seconds before a gui pops up would you ? [18:31] I'm reading through the entire book atm [18:31] well, /me >> bed; [18:31] :D [18:31] Lazerdood: oh noes! 2 seconds! heh [18:31] night everybody :) [18:31] Good Night Camarade_Tux [18:31] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-85-54.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [18:31] hey birdy :) [18:31] eviljames: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9.10 seconds later, maybe you can do what you wanted to do [18:31] compl3x: haha [18:31] Lazerdood: I'm not knocking C or anything like that. Java does have its usefulness, and to say otherwise I think is incorrect. [18:32] eviljames: Youre misunderstanding me prince valiant... [18:32] eviljames: yah. That's part of what I hate about Java: on the one hand, it's a language with welded-on training wheels... on the other hand, the training wheels don't actually stop the idiots from having a wreck... but they do get in the way sometimes for non-idiots [18:32] Lazerdood: Also, I don't think speed is the only concern. Do some commercial development, there are other factors. [18:32] Lazerdood: Also, read what Urchlay just wrote to see a valid Java complaint. [18:32] Yes, dont crash like .net apps so often do [18:33] chopp: you around? [18:33] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.187) left irc: "leaving" [18:33] Lazerdood: hahah I think we all recognize that .net is a joke :P [18:33] also I recall someone wrote what was supposed to be a daemon that runs 24/7 in Java... every week or so, it would lock up due to running out of RAM [18:33] python blows as well. Crashing all the time. Fast and dirty coding is the common denomination [18:33] initself (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:34] Its reaks of slutty coding [18:34] so I rewrote it in Perl (another language with automatic memory management), and the first time I ran it on production, it stayed running for a year (until we had to reboot the box to upgrade the kernel...) [18:34] does python really crash? [18:34] Urchlay: Why did it stop running ? [18:35] I mean, the interpreter? [18:35] Lazerdood: which, the java or the perl? java daemon because it would run out of memory. perl didn't stop running until it was stopped on purpose [18:35] Yes, and aolso i have a printer adding thing on FC10 box that crashes now [18:35] also [18:36] Urchlay, not really. it will throw an exception [18:37] but the interpreter itself? never saw that [18:37] never heard of it either [18:38] Anyone want the report or just do this on fc10 > system > Administration > printing > printers ... select a samba printer called, say... foobar (smb://foobar) and press verify [18:38] slackytude: I haven't used it a whole lot, is why I ask... I do know the old python bittorrent client would run for weeks at a time, when I needed it to [18:38] hm. Wine (32-bit) now working on my Slack64 box [18:38] its a valid question. [18:39] Urchlay: Using c/ from slamd64? [18:39] how did you get wine working on slack64? [18:39] It's possible to crash the Python interpreter. [18:39] eviljames: no, using my own _compat32 packages with libs culled from 32-bit slackware-current [18:39] The bugreport is about 1000 lines long and tells me nothing about the bug /umm [18:39] godling, how? [18:40] and which version? [18:40] eviljames: it's a lot more complete than slamd64's c series (200-something packages, including all of l/* and kde/kdelibs) [18:41] slackytude: it might be different now but I remember you used to be able to crash it by abusing new [18:41] Lazerdood: this is slackware, gtfo [18:41] Urchlay: Do you have any slackbuilds or anything for that? [18:41] (part of the reason for having so many packages: slamd64 has a single xlibs package where slack-current has about 80 packages with X libraries, one library each...) [18:41] Urchlay: well, slamd64 combined them together, sure :) [18:41] manwichmakeameal: yeah. Currently testing to make sure my build doesn't break anything horribly, before I inflict it on the rest of the world :) [18:42] godling, Id surprised if you could do that with a 2.6 version of it [18:42] so you've essentially make slack64 multilib, correct? [18:42] thrice`: nah, I think between slack 12.1 and 12.2, the xlibs got split up into a bunch of pkgs, and the slamd64 c/ series is from slack 12.1 (even the c series from slamd64 12.2 looks like it's from slack 12.1...) [18:42] slackware64 *is* multilib [18:42] slackytude: haven't tried it in 2.6 [18:43] manwichmakeameal: I can run 32-bit stuff, not compile it [18:43] so, do you have to build on a 32 bit machine, then install the packages? [18:43] Urchlay: er, no: http://anorien.warwick.ac.uk/mirrors/slamd64/slamd64-current/source/c/xlibs32/ [18:43] slamd64's c series also lacks SDL, which sorta ruins it for me (I play games...) [18:44] Urchlay: Do you know why this Python crashed: http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/misc/system-config-printer.py-bugreport.txt [18:44] Lazerdood: maybe if I had ever written any python code in my life, I might have a clue... as it stands, no [18:44] thrice`: gtfo ? [18:44] Lazerdood: seriously, WE DON'T USE FEDORA [18:44] yes, it means "get the fuck out" [18:45] hahaha [18:45] bug fedora guys for their crappy packages [18:45] Sorry to be coding for us ? [18:45] thrice`: well whatever slamd's xlibs are, they're a bit older than the ones in -current [18:46] sweet.. grsecurity working as it should.. back later :) [18:46] thrice`: if you wanna know what changed type dmesg or ps aux :P [18:46] Action: Dominian is out [18:46] later Dominian [18:46] thrice`: im probably not any good, maybe you should kick me just for the hell of it eh ? [18:46] Urchlay: aah, yeah. well, he did modularize them, but slamd64 had its own 32-bit build system, which slackware does not (yet?) [18:46] so if you see a description of a command "ifconfig(5)" then to access that section you're type "man 5 ifconfig"? [18:46] the way this script works, you point it at the slackware/ directory of whatever version you want, and it repackages everything (well, not everything, everything in its config file...) [18:46] Lazerdood: well, noone in here cares that your fedora crashes. this is #slackware, remember [18:47] happycycling: yep. [18:47] awesome, thanks [18:47] Urchlay: sure. all you really need are things from, say, /usr/lib/* of the package [18:47] I shall feel thrice blesses [18:47] thx [18:47] eh [18:48] How's your day going compl3x? [18:48] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:49] firebird619: pretty good thanks, just chilling out watchign some mythbusters before i go to sleep, you? [18:49] dlopez (n=dlopez@200-63-163-21.static.speedy.com.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [18:49] thrice`: right. Also wrinkles like /usr/lib/locale I made a symlink to /usr/lib64/locale (contents would have been identical)... and one or two packages need other stuff (pango needs pango-querymodules-32, but doinst.sh has to run it via "linux32 pango-querymodules-32" or it'll do the wrong thing) [18:49] compl3x: going great, just building a new kernel, adesklets build fails. :(. [18:49] kde4 apps actually do run [18:50] firebird619: ouch ]= whatd do you need the new kernel for? [18:50] haven't done extra/kde3compat or whatever, dunno if that will work [18:50] Urchlay: slamd64's c/ isn't quite slackware64-compatible [18:50] I'm working on that [18:50] compl3x: nothing really, just have been building the latest kernels and the real-time patch. :) [18:50] fred: I noticed :) [18:50] Nick change: yosii_ -> yosii [18:50] firebird619: nice - ive still never got round to compilin my own kernel [18:50] fred: although your aaa_elflibs32 is useful for getting simple stuff to run [18:51] compl3x: It's really quite easy and painless once you get a few under your belt. [18:51] firebird619: not on this box anyway - haven't done it in years and wouldn't know where to start now [18:51] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:51] Urchlay: you actually have a use for non-X11 32-bit blobs? [18:51] bbiab firebird619 need caffine [18:51] thrice`: Dont worry, we are working out how the coders of the 400 hundreth century are going to get paid. Now i would say they could be entitled to the same way of payment such as for rock stars or painters or jazz musicians etc. If you agree we could push this thing in the EU and triplicate the codings on OSS... ? [18:51] compl3x: k [18:51] not at the moment, no. I did, at an old job (proprietary crappy "4GL" database app) [18:52] Action: thrice` raises an eyebrow [18:52] Action: firebird619 raises both eyebrows [18:52] thrice`: Its hot on the table [18:52] and its round [18:52] Action: Urchlay raises his unibrow [18:52] lol [18:52] Lazerdood: I'm just saying, coming to a slackware channel and harassing people for help on your fedora box is kind of silly [18:52] Fedora has it's own channel, #fedora. :) [18:53] never asked as i dont need it [18:53] #fagorabore [18:53] chowabunga: haha [18:53] rbjt (n=rbjt@187.144.14.73) left irc: "leaving" [18:53] How's it going chowabunga [18:53] itchy [18:53] poison ivy? :P [18:54] Action: fred is an IBM DB2 fan [18:54] fortunately, they have a 64-bit version :) [18:54] HI fred, how are you? [18:54] not itchy I hope. :) [18:54] Nope, thanks [18:54] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [18:54] i think Lazerdood suffers from delusions of grandeur [18:54] firebird619> are you a wal-mart greeter? [18:55] chowabunga: haha, no. [18:55] I'd hope wal-mart greeters don't greet you with "I hope you're not itchy" [18:55] lol [18:55] I wish to speak to an ibm coder, they made such a great review that we will all benefit from some day [18:55] "Hello, welcome to walmart, would you like a cart, btw, are you itchy today." [18:55] psychicist (n=psychici@195-241-68-222.ip.telfort.nl) left ##slackware. [18:55] Lazerdood: you sure you are talking in the right channel? [18:56] Pig_Pen: Are you sure ? [18:56] ... [18:56] you never know at wal-mart :> [18:56] fairly certain [18:56] thrice`: true. :) [18:56] I remember when ram was in the 512mb range and you'd double the swap size to 1024. What about 6 gigs of ram? 12 gigs of hard drive space is rediculous [18:56] what did you code master piglet ? [18:56] happycycling> the formula was always wrong [18:57] i programmed my VCR ;p [18:57] so what's a good rule of thumb then? [18:57] kevin_ (n=kevin@24-107-211-159.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:57] I know you personally, however you dont know me [18:57] Lazerdood: coders do not have superiority by default [18:57] happycycling> 1.5gb swap [18:57] hehe [18:57] someone kick im already [18:57] happycycling: doesn't matter much, a couple gigs to be safe, maybe [18:57] In fact arguments to the contrary could be brought forward [18:57] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-247-6.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:57] if you wanted to hibernate then you'd do 6GB plus some fudge factor? 50mb? [18:58] slackytude> you mean "him" ? ... my name is Lydia [18:58] happycycling: well, to be safe, sure [18:58] Haha firebird619 what is this about? 16:56 < firebird619> "Hello, welcome to walmart, would you like a cart, btw, are you itchy today." [18:58] confrey (n=dario@94.162.132.93) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:58] it shouldn't need 6 gig full, but if you have decent storage, why not [18:58] well it's a 80gb drive [18:58] yeah, i get paid from the neck down, i use a tape measure, nailgun and mitersaw in my profession [18:58] Pigpen... who was that rude man ? [18:58] so I figured I could get away with 6 [18:59] just seems like a waste of space is all [18:59] happycycling> you have 6gb ram? [18:59] oh, just some alien nameb Bob [18:59] yep [18:59] why [18:59] Pig_Pen: you've got a real job? lame. [18:59] Pig_Pen: I hope he doesnt get alienated :) [18:59] I hope you don't get assimilated [18:59] well I saw an awesome deal a while ago and bought 4 gigs to my pre-existing 2 [19:00] memory is so cheap now I don't see why not [19:00] its not an awesome deal if you cant use 6gb ram [19:00] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.44) joined ##slackware. [19:00] yeah, i am just a poor construction worker [19:00] you can compile the kernel with PAE right? So it'll see up to 128GB of ram? [19:01] doesnt mean you will use more than 2gb :P [19:01] Pig_Pen: So am i, its not like i decide anything /tihi [19:01] maybe if you use ubuntu or something you can get up to 6gb used [19:01] or vista [19:01] so a resource hog OS? [19:01] Pig_Pen: I nominate you for channel op [19:01] hehe, somethings gotta use all that ram or its just empty [19:01] with that much ram, if you have it you would not have to bother with swap, or make a ramdisk swap partition [19:01] so make a ramdisk and copy / to it [19:02] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-247-6.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [19:02] then do switchroot or whatever [19:02] how would I make a ramdisk? It's flushed when you power off right? [19:02] yeap [19:02] that would make for a fast system, write a script that copies all of / to a ramdisk [19:02] damn I'd have to research how to do that [19:02] run on every boot [19:03] Pig_Pen: and then NEVER EVER reboot [19:03] you make a ramdisk by mounting /dev/shm tmpfs [19:03] lf4: hahaha, read just above that what was said. [19:03] ah [19:03] happycycling: mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /mountdir is what I use... [19:03] if you have to boot, just boot, then go have breakfast and come back in 20 minutes [19:03] lf4: (2009-05-22 17:54:37) fred: I'd hope wal-mart greeters don't greet you with "I hope you're not itchy" :P [19:04] Pig_Pen: It seems my entire ISP has been blocked from chatting in #linux. This never happened before and i feel some millions of us have to disagree to treating coders bad, dont you ? [19:04] youd have to tell it the size [19:04] so if you copy your files to the ram disk then you'd have two sets of files right? How would the OS know which ones to load? [19:04] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:04] Lazerdood: are you currently intoxicated or something? [19:04] Lazerdood: dont worry about ##linux, its full of muppets like #ubuntu is [19:04] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) left irc: Connection timed out [19:04] thrice`: are you, why do you ask ? [19:05] Pig_Pen: political ? [19:05] must be [19:05] no, there are a lot of noobs that cant handle the sarcasm [19:05] Lazerdood> u r a k0d3r? [19:05] phl333t [19:05] happycycling, you could use chroot [19:05] you use switchroot [19:06] Hmm, pigpen... Its been this odd since about 2001/2003 i think... [19:06] chowabunga: 1996 [19:06] Lazerdood> k3n u t34c|-| m3 h0w 2 c0d3 [19:07] go away [19:07] i need sl33tz [19:07] plx k thx [19:07] I guess I'll have to read up on it then before I ask stupid questions [19:07] Get a girlfriend [19:07] Lazerdood: there is a rule in here when someone is actually trying to fix a slackware system that all the smalltalk has to be quiet for a while until the problem is solved [19:07] kbaps [19:07] AGI buf plox [19:07] time to mix a drink [19:08] so you mount the ram disk, copy the files over, then chroot? [19:08] then you're done? [19:08] happycycling> switchroot [19:08] Pig_Pen: Irken means "Can stand it" [19:08] Arkane [19:08] what exactly should I copy over? [19:08] happycycling> you dont have to do it...its just the only way i think you'd ever utilize all 6gb [19:09] yea I was just curious how [19:09] because it'd be a fun project lol [19:09] google it [19:09] ramdisk root [19:09] fair enough [19:09] thanks [19:09] Pig_Pen: Watch that firewall dood :P /jokin [19:09] Lazerdood> srslzy dude [19:10] foo [19:10] i n3d hax [19:10] like 4str 4stam ha [19:10] Snaarrrk! [19:11] lol i made a program that says Hello World 50000000+ times [19:11] its r33t [19:11] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [19:11] Youre indeed a master without end! [19:11] i no [19:11] Or, are ouy ? :) [19:12] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [19:12] chowabunga: is it 50000000+ lines long? [19:13] oh dear god im sittign here doing nothing , I need a project :| [19:14] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@97-86-234-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:14] compl3x: You're missing, if you choose to except it is to find a girl and go where you've never gone before. Second base. [19:14] I have sometimes wondered why i code for the free worlds in computings but i have come the the final fronteir. You like it and i like to make you have fun. [19:14] WastePotato (n=WastePot@unaffiliated/wastepotato) left ##slackware. [19:14] Lazerdood: are you the man from /b/ ;p [19:14] agentc0re: I have a girl - shes not here tho [19:15] Hey agentc0re, how's it going? [19:15] Pig_Pen: Quickshot eye! :) [19:15] Lazerdood is on dial up. Nice. [19:15] agentc0re: I can chhose provider [19:15] choose [19:15] also mac [19:15] firebird619: Good. I'm going to go skydiving again this weekend and take the class so i can go by myself. Should be great! [19:15] addr [19:15] agentc0re: awesome, have a good time. :) [19:15] But im nice [19:16] ORLY? [19:16] Derkeiler [19:16] rly [19:16] RLY? [19:16] oh yaah [19:16] Action: agentc0re raises the bullshit flag [19:16] lol [19:16] Lazerdood - you ever visit slashdot? [19:17] Action: agentc0re pulls out the troll sniffing dogs [19:17] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [19:17] agentc0re: bloodhounds? :P [19:17] Never?ortiedaknot [19:17] Oh opps, their leash broke. [19:17] haha [19:17] happycycling (n=happycyc@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)" [19:17] Action: agentc0re watches them go after Lazerdood [19:17] wooot, look at em run. :) [19:17] its 50000014 lines long [19:17] Indeed, Nothings [19:17] firebird619: :D [19:17] took me 6 hours [19:18] Wow 6 hours of time you wasted that you'll never get back :P [19:18] 6 hours to learn c++, not bad huh! [19:18] cout << "Helo Wolrd!\n"; [19:19] Wow! [19:19] That is a mastery of the C++ language! [19:19] When they settle down like good little dawgs maybe theyll do what we pay them to do. Interresting technical reportages [19:19] wat! they made me attend a whole semster for that [19:19] save that line incase you ever have to do c++ [19:19] I love them, they are cute [19:20] cout << "Helo Wolrd!\n"; Semicolons are overrated anyway [19:20] The first line that computed!!! [19:20] eviljames: Wtf is up with all the trolls lately. I guess summer time is when they come out because they get time off from Jr.High/High school eh? [19:20] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [19:20] its not even september [19:20] agentc0re: slashdot.. [19:20] agentc0re> but drop outs like you are always here [19:20] agentc0re: Dunno man, but I'm glad I'm not the only one who notices it. [19:21] agentc0re: Show us youre not a troll then. Maybe youve spent years upon years coding for OSS ? [19:21] chowabunga: Hrm, you really want to take this battle? [19:21] agentc0re> sure why not [19:21] show me your hs transcript [19:21] I have phat pipes [19:21] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [19:22] lets play [19:22] you're on dialup [19:22] Action: chowabunga thinks agentc0re has delusions of granduer [19:22] This pipe, [19:22] ... [19:22] pipe? [19:22] Alright, show me your proof I'm a drop out. If you're going to sit there and say negative things about my education and how well, only according to you, i spent it prove it. [19:22] What have you got in your violin casing ? [19:22] Sir? [19:22] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:22] :) [19:22] Other wise shut your condescending insignificant mouth. [19:23] eviljames: Wtf is up with all the trolls lately. I guess summer time is when they come out because they get time off from Jr.High/High school eh? [19:23] toolsched [19:23] agentc0re: chowabunga isn't really that big of a troll. [19:23] i wish i owned a Thompson 45 cal machinegun [19:23] chowabunga: Don't start trolling now and prove me wrong! [19:23] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [19:23] Pig_Pen: Yeah, im buying a minigun just for the hell of it [19:24] eviljames: I know. but he insulted me for no apparent reason. [19:24] eviljames> prove you are a drop out? thats like proving the moon isnt made out of cheese [19:24] its just obvious [19:24] All I'm doing is stepping between you two and stating "Stand down!" [19:24] chowabunga|agentc0re: Both of you are annoying atm [19:24] Whats up with everyone not getting on today :| [19:25] Lazerdood> teach me h4x plox [19:25] duh [19:25] compl3x: dunno, this channel has been trolled tons lately and I think it's raising the hair on everyone's neck [19:25] i just installed GAMBAS so i can write a visual basic gui [19:25] it is because it is friday eviljames [19:25] to track Lazerdood's ip [19:25] Everyone who is not a troll should shut up for atleast 5 minutes NOW! [19:26] eviljames: Sorry. I get a little carried away sometimes ya know? Happens to the best of us. [19:26] it's becaasue the workld sucks and people periodically have to relive frustrations [19:26] NyteOwl++ [19:26] verbal irc equivalent of going psotal [19:26] the workld rules [19:26] i checked the whois on Lazerdood he is on dialup, and i think he is a ricer from #gentoo [19:26] er postal [19:26] Lazerdood: your getting boring now [19:26] i went psotal at my workld [19:26] Pig_Pen: eh ? ... [19:26] agentc0re: totally. happens to me too, regularly. [19:26] lol [19:26] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) joined ##slackware. [19:26] Pig_Pen: You ricer :P [19:27] i do a whois on lots of strangers that come in here [19:27] eviljames: Ya, i know. :D We've all seen the best of us flip a 180. [19:27] i am too old and slow to be a ricer [19:27] Pig_Pen: Me too. [19:27] Pig_Pen: and too smart to run gentoo. [19:27] yeah [19:27] eviljames: Hahah. [19:27] Pig_Pen: Youre just about 52... right ? .. i keep forgetting [19:27] think this is bad? I just waded through a six page forum aguement about the best home defense load to use in a 12 ga shotgun. software wars have nothing on that conversation [19:27] not far from it, 48 [19:27] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.153.41) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [19:28] NyteOwl: What was the conclusion? [19:28] 12 gage loaded with 00 buck [19:28] heh 1" slugs was the conclusion [19:28] BOOM! [19:28] 8gauge is better [19:28] Pig_Pen: Does me coding Oss ring a bell coolbox :) [19:28] agentc0re: conclusion? you're kidding right? :p [19:28] fill your own shotgun shells with cayenne pepper [19:28] NyteOwl: :P [19:28] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:28] OSS? as in OpenSoundSystem - that was obsoleted by Alsa? [19:29] open sores surgery i think [19:29] or OSS as in OpenSource software [19:29] Pig_Pen: Yes [19:29] Just like Alsa is obsoleted by 10 other servers :) [19:29] in honesty every one agrees 00 is effective, BUT it also will penetrate the equivalent of 4 interior walls. not good for bystanders [19:29] like jack! [19:30] NyteOwl: beanbag ftw. Once i get a 12 ga i'll keep it loaded with that. [19:30] Lazerdood> can i see ur open sores hax plox [19:31] it's a very old agruement. penetration vs shock power vs collateral safety ... [19:31] Pig_Pen: Maybe you have used any of these things for example: http://mange.dynalias.org/linux.html (I like the jokers but...) [19:32] agentc0reyou can buy police grade baton rounds that are effective at knocking someone down and stunning them (if they aren't wearing too heavy clothing or body armour. They're ehavy rubber. quite effective. though if the home invader is armed I'd want something a bit more effective [19:32] chowabunga: youre the one spamming the proftpd devel list arent you ? [19:32] than just knocking them on their arse [19:33] Lazerdood> yea [19:33] chowabunga: Why ? [19:33] :D [19:33] Lazerdood> cuz proftpd is nubshire [19:33] chowabunga: Lazerdood bums proftpd [19:33] NyteOwl: Eh, id still aim for the face with a rubber round or deadcenter chest. Just how i've been trained. So i think i would eliminate the threat either way :D [19:33] i made a bot that went wild and is spamming the entire internets [19:33] nope, never heard of them, i dont run much outside of a clean stock slackware install, just mplayer, openoffice, and lately i installed avidemux [19:33] i lost control of my creation when it became sentient [19:34] I see we have very serious chilren among us [19:34] Pat V, is the big daddy of my computers :D [19:34] agentc0rethe face certainly would. the chest would depend on the assailant and the way they were dressed. They'd go down alright regardess. the important thing would be how fast they could get back up [19:34] Haha > Youre it.... [19:34] Lazerdood> i smell them too [19:35] agentc0reof course if you miss, even a baton round will make a nasty hole in your wall :) [19:35] i always shoot my guns in the house [19:35] chowabunga: I would kick you if i was op atm [19:35] NyteOwl: Depends, i can repump on recoil while they are being thrown after being hit so i'd just shoot them again. At this rate the first shot is in the chest, they get knocked down. Second shot in the face.. maybe a third. depends. [19:35] Lazerdood> are you threatening me! [19:36] NyteOwl: Hole yes, but i don't want to hurt my neighbors or their kids. [19:36] omg someone anyone please get rid of him [19:36] No, you suck as much as this agentc0re guy [19:36] NyteOwl: I have a .45. Don't think it'd make it over there after leaving my walls esp. since my exterior is brick. [19:36] Lazerdood: can't you and chowabunga go off in your own private little channel and have all the IRC sex you want there... [19:36] i keep my firearms locked & loaded, but they are in a save place, the 357 is under the couch cushion where my wife plops her fatass in the living room, and the shotgun is in the bedroom [19:36] agentc0re: I agree. one must consider the environemtn where these things will be sued [19:36] #bunga-sex [19:36] compl3x: Ill be fine [19:37] speaking of firearms, my BMG is ... [19:37] i heard a real OSS coder was here...i just wanted to learn ;( [19:37] now everyone is mad at me [19:37] Knights templar isnt amused atm [19:37] umislack (i=1000@58.64.94.18) left irc: "leaving" [19:37] cheerio [19:38] agentc0re: mine are concrete, but one must consider windows. :) Most of the guys in the arguemets have never had a weapon pointed at them in malice so I have to consider how many would freeze or loose it regardless of what they were loaded with :) [19:38] i always wanted to make a gun that shoots diamonds [19:38] ffs... [19:38] when will it end? [19:39] good idea, no? [19:39] agentc0re: though at 10-20' range, rock salt would be just as effective :) [19:39] NyteOwl: Heh, yes it would. [19:39] chowabunga: maybe, but probably not [19:39] not as effective as diamonds [19:39] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [19:39] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("()"). [19:39] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-174-122.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:39] chowabunga: dimes are particularly effective at 10-20' range [19:40] 00 buck [19:40] Pig_Pen: again, i'll go with the dimes over a few lead balls [19:40] diamonds [19:40] agentc0re: I do have to wonder though how hard the cleanup of the bore would be after firing hot rubber down it :) [19:40] chowabunga: too expensive [19:40] 00 buck is some wicked nasty shit [19:40] i shot my dog with a diamond from a slingshot [19:40] NyteOwl: I had a friend who had his house broken into. He was gone and his wife was home alone with the kids. Someone broke in and had a rag soaked. He has a .38 spec. that he keeps loaded. When she heard something she popped out and there he was. She got as far as pulling the hammer back, it's a revolver, and he ran the hell away. [19:41] but it just bounced off the furarmor [19:41] Pig_Pen: dimes work as razors after they fly out of the barrel [19:41] NyteOwl: I think the rubber is encased in a shell though. so replace a slug with rubber.. i think. [19:41] why must it be hot out .... [19:42] agentc0re: yes intimidation can be an effective weapon. the sound of someone racking a round into a shotgun can be quite intimidating . That's why you leave the chamber emty :) [19:42] agentc0re: yes it is encased in a shell [19:42] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [19:42] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*n=Lazerd*@*.dialup.ice.net' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [19:42] Lazerdood kicked from ##slackware by alienBOB: You do what you like, then I do the same [19:42] NyteOwl: Totally. [19:42] \0/ [19:42] alienBOB++ [19:42] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [19:42] alienBOB: I love you. [19:42] yay, thanks alienBOB [19:43] NyteOwl: that's the general consensus [19:43] NyteOwl: only when the idiot is on meth or a related drug does the rack not affect them [19:44] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-247-6.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:44] on the other hand the ebst state for my 1911 is cocked and locked. unfortuantely I can get in trouble with the police if I do thhat so ... [19:44] NyteOwl: at that point, the idiot spitting blood from blood of a sliced carotid that seeped into the esophogas does the trick [19:44] NyteOwl: why is that? [19:44] hell - I'm not legally allowed to own a gun for self defense. It is for other things, just may end up used for self defense [19:44] you have a 1911 colt 45? nice pistol [19:44] Now for the rest of you children - I had warned you previously that ignoring a troll is good, but slandering people is bad bad. Next time, there will be additional bans [19:45] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-247-6.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [19:45] Pig_Pen: M1911A1, 1941 build all correct :) yes a nice pistol :) [19:45] O.o [19:45] NyteOwl: that IS a nice pistol [19:46] i like those better than my blackhawk 357, wanna trade? [19:46] and a Colt to boot ;) [19:46] NyteOwl: my last handgun that was technically a pistol was a hipoint c-9 [19:46] not on your life :) [19:46] lol, i dont blame you [19:46] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:47] fevel (n=fevel@201.19.107.106) joined ##slackware. [19:47] happycycling (n=happycyc@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) left irc: "Going drinking" [19:47] exbio_ (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [19:47] NyteOwl: I would really like to have a m468 :) [19:47] I'm parting my linux HDD and what's the different between marking the partition as 'primary' verses logical [19:47] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:47] hm. Someone name a good binary-only 32-bit app... [19:48] should you have only one primary partition on a physical disk? [19:48] agentc0re other than 1911, I liek the Browning Hi-Power [19:48] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:48] happycycling: it's good to have your / on a primary, otherwise, it makes no difference [19:48] no, but you can geenrally only have 4 primary aprtitions on an HD. a locical partion however can be further subdivided [19:48] http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.1966: [19:48] i like military weapons, what i would really like to have is a m14, but i would settle for a m1 [19:48] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:49] so if I set all my partitions to primary then it doesn't affect anything? [19:49] happycycling: no. [19:49] happycycling: on slack, no [19:49] happycycling: as long as there are 4 or less, no [19:49] happycycling: what NyteOwl said [19:49] happycycling: If you need more than 4, you'll need an extended. [19:50] basically the rule is either 4 primary partitions, or three primary partitions then after the third primary partition you can make as many logical partitions as you want [19:50] I'm setting up a /boot / and /home partitions in addition to a swap [19:50] happycycling: that's all you're setting up? [19:50] klein (n=klein@unaffiliated/klein) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:50] yep [19:50] happycycling: Do it in this order, Swap, boot, root, home. [19:50] happycycling: in that case, it doesn't matter, they can all be primary [19:50] okay cool [19:51] happycycling: but also agentc0re gave a good advice about placement [19:51] if I put swap first while I be able to use lilo to boot off the hdd as root? [19:51] yes [19:51] i do, / =1 gig, /swap=1 gig, then /usr = 4 to 6 gigs and the rest /home [19:51] happycycling: yes [19:51] martian (n=martianx@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:51] Pig_Pen: i got a 4 gig swap [19:51] right on, thanks guys, much appreciated [19:52] i have 500mb swap [19:52] happycycling: You want it in that order because the first partitions will be ultimately faster than the ones on the end. [19:52] if you put the swap last, does that mean it's slow [19:52] ah okay [19:52] Pig_Pen: then 20 gig / and the rest /home [19:52] happycycling: I do what you're about to do. Swap, boot, root, home. [19:53] yes [19:53] that's what I've done in the past [19:53] http://www.scroogle.org/gifs/gscrew.gif [19:53] with ram getting cheap the swap being 2x ram is not an issue anymore [19:53] I haven't used slack in 6 or so years so I'm getting my rust off [19:53] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Success [19:53] Pig_Pen: with my system not ram-upgradeable, i just put swap 4x ram [19:53] chowabunga: any reason why you are harassing Lazerdood? [19:54] so out of an 80 gb drive, assing 250 mb to /boot, 20gb to / the remainder to /home with 2gb going to swap? [19:54] Pig_Pen: if you develope there are other reasons to make swap larger so that if there is a core dump (which is dione to swp) it will hold everything [19:54] happycycling: I only put 100mb to boot. [19:54] okay cool, so 20gb is more than enough to hold everything outside /home [19:54] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [19:55] Hi Rat409 [19:55] i have not seen a core dump since the late 1990's when i was using redhat-7.1 [19:55] happycycling: Oh yes, very much so. [19:55] hey firebird619 [19:55] awesome, thanks agent [19:55] happycycling: and only put into swap as much as you have for ram. [19:55] well my ram is 6gb, so should I put in that amount? [19:55] happycycling: You'll hardly go into swap and if you go into heavy you'll either reboot or kill whatever is causing it. [19:56] JtH (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: "damn knew i should have started this in a screen" [19:56] so what's a good size then? [19:56] i like slacpkg "no news is good news" :P [19:56] happycycling: Might only need a 1gb swap. [19:56] slackpkg darn fingers [19:56] :) [19:56] happycycling: GB's are cheap though. [19:56] :) [19:57] happycycling: yeah, if you have that much RAM, 1GB is enough swap for ya [19:57] Action: agentc0re is going to go nap. BBL [19:57] fair enough [19:57] later agentc0re [19:57] is it worth enlarging swap to 6gb for hibernation? [19:57] Action: slackytude sleepy [19:57] or should I not even worry about that? [19:57] laptop? [19:58] no, desk top [19:58] good nite everyone [19:58] who hibernates a desktop [19:58] haha I dunno [19:58] night slackytude [19:58] new car, cavier, 4 star daydream, i think i will buy me a football team [19:58] I just wanted the option or to see if people use it [19:58] people who pay their own electric bill [19:58] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-55-213-233.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:59] how bout no [19:59] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A7593A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "what does this button do?" [19:59] happycycling: if you want to do a bit of hibernation, you need a 6gb swap [19:59] you okay with no? [19:59] i have a notebook and haven't even set up my suspend/hibernate scripts yet [19:59] well the OS has an 80GB hard drive to sit on with a 500GB data drive for my shit [20:00] so if 72GB is more than enough to hold everything then I might just use a 6gb swap so I don't have to repartition in the future to lose my /home user settings [20:00] might as well do 20gb swap [20:00] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.153.41) joined ##slackware. [20:01] happycycling: allow me to introduce you to my friend, parted [20:01] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [20:01] you can resize and move ext partitions with it [20:01] ah okay [20:02] cmk_zzz (n=martink@125-237-112-135.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [20:05] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:06] time to install this bad boy [20:06] happycycling: good luck. :) [20:07] thanks lol [20:07] happycycling (n=happycyc@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/" [20:07] happycycling: good luck...see you on other side [20:07] damn, too late [20:07] lol [20:08] got an oz of myrrh oil today at a street vendor [20:08] and i recognized his supplier [20:12] unixfool (i=4421c1cc@about/slackware/wigglit) joined ##slackware. [20:12] Hi unixfool. [20:13] hd (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [20:13] heya! [20:13] kinda quiet? [20:13] right now, yeah. [20:14] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] Hey hitest [20:14] hi firebird619:) [20:14] hey hitest [20:15] hitest: how's it going? [20:15] hi compl3x:) [20:15] [= [20:15] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:15] compl3x, are you going to work for me or what [20:15] i'll give you a signing bonus [20:15] it's giong well, firebird619! you? [20:15] going [20:15] going great, thanks. :) [20:15] good [20:17] jeev: I was joking :p [20:17] jeev: unless... what sort of work :p [20:17] http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs39/f/2008/333/a/1/Demotivational_Poster_1_by_ragamuffin009.png [20:17] i'll give you 100,000 ZMK/month to work for me [20:17] with a 1 MILLION ZMK signing bonus [20:18] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:19] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:20] wtf is zmk? [20:20] i dont know [20:20] zambian monies [20:20] 100 000 Zambia kwacha = 19.6 U.S. dollars [20:20] 100,000 is 20 bux [20:20] shh [20:20] zambian kwatcha yosii [20:20] quick, flood the screen so compl3x signs his life over to me [20:21] http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/272-36.htm [20:21] kind of like the american peopole do to themselves ;) [20:21] jeev: only 100,000. you cheap skate. :P [20:21] whoever writes religion into laws needs to burn in hell [20:21] by hell, i mean california's budget crisis [20:21] firebird619, shh [20:23] my question, when was that law passed? [20:23] jeev: at least give em 200,000, :P $40 bucks about. [20:23] 1700? [20:24] who knows yosii [20:24] ok firebird619, 200k. [20:24] jeev: I'm english :p [20:24] so your gonna have to convert that to GBP [20:24] 20 pounds per month [20:25] 100 000 Zambia kwacha = 12.3169735 British pounds [20:25] you told me to up it to 200 [20:25] compl3x: NO deal. [20:25] SHSHHSHHSHSh [20:25] firebird619, it's not your life [20:25] dont [20:25] jeev: i prefer to be paid in gold dust [20:25] jeev: ok, about $24 then. [20:25] yosii, stand behind me.. every time i fart, an ounce of gold dust comes out [20:25] haha [20:25] jeev: get over yourself [20:26] uncut diamonds will work at as payment in a pinch [20:26] Action: compl3x wishes we did live in the matrix - so I could patch my girlfriend... [20:26] you haven't stood behind me then [20:26] compl3x: hahaha [20:26] yosii, are you an israeli ? [20:26] jeev: yeah [20:26] thought so [20:26] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUkj9pjx3H0 [20:26] compl3x: what needs patching? [20:26] firebird619: - infact - upgrade :p [20:27] paissad (n=paissad@12.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [20:27] upgradepkg girlfriend [20:27] upgradepkg --install-new girlfriend. :) [20:27] firebird619: too bad that command doesn't work on wife [20:27] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:27] yosii: yeah needs a patch. [20:27] upgradepkg --install-additional wife [20:27] yosii: sure it does, just s/girlfriend/wife/ :P [20:27] yosii: haha [20:28] hd (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [20:28] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.196) left irc: "I'll Be Back" [20:28] Error: --install-additional option only supported in Ubuntu Mormon Edition [20:28] Ubuntu Mormon Edition, WHA? [20:28] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:28] eh, when trying to install an additional wife, I mean [20:29] Urchlay: I've got most of my issues fixed now, most all had something to do with respective files in /tmp. [20:29] don't forget to slackpkg clean-system [20:29] Urchlay: wait, mormons aren't the only ones who are polygamous [20:29] compl3x: yeah, for sure. [20:29] compl3x: you don't know where that package has been. :P [20:29] yosii: they're just the first ones I thought of when making a dumb joke [20:29] firebird619: very true [20:29] no need to get political about it [20:30] i got my girlfriend from linuxpackages.com [20:30] cmk_zzz (n=martink@125-237-112-135.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:30] Nick change: exbio_ -> exbio [20:30] Action: yosii is running Slackware Jewish Edition [20:30] compl3x: Well no wonder there's problems. [20:30] linuxpackages.net* [20:30] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [20:30] should have went to slackbuilds.org my friend. :P [20:30] yosii, do US tax payers fund it? 0_o [20:30] firebird619: I know ]= :p [20:30] compl3x, i removed that one. [20:30] i used it and abused it then returned it to linuxpackages.com [20:30] jeev: no, but it does remind you to call your mother [20:30] :) [20:31] removepkg wife - installpkg hotsexywife [20:31] what's that supposed to mean [20:31] http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/05/schwarzenegger-make-massive-cuts-to-welfare-health-care-student-aid-.html [20:31] compl3x: error: unmet dependencies: rollsroyce, fatbankaccount, comically-large-penis [20:31] jeev: go google "jewish mother jokes" if you didn't get that... [20:32] heh [20:32] yosii: speak for yourself :p [20:32] yoyo [20:32] yo [20:32] sup nix_chix0r [20:32] Urchlay, it's asking me for money already to bomb others [20:32] gona get 7pounds or mall cop on ppv tonight [20:32] any of those good [20:32] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] jeev: you know, he's standing right over there... [20:32] Action: Urchlay points at yosii [20:33] compl3x: you're here on irc, you don't have all three installed [20:33] :> [20:33] yosii: ++ haha [20:33] chowabunga, california is in a serious crisis [20:33] jeev: bet you'd be more polite in person [20:33] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:33] (but then I guess we all would [20:33] sex > irc > girlfriend [20:33] compl3x, not a whole lot going to enjoy this long weekend [20:33] yea Urchlay, you never know where they are, about to kill you and then blame you on an attack [20:34] nix_chix0r: yeah same [= [20:34] California is in fact in a serious crisis. it hasn't yet fallen into the damn ocean as it should. [20:34] Urchlay: i'm generally what you see here... [20:34] jeev: no, I mean, you wouldn't talk smack about the guy if he was actually right there in front of you [20:34] I just bet you wouldn't [20:34] Hey nix_chix0r, how are you? [20:34] i do Urchlay [20:34] http://www.wimp.com/marijuanacourt/ [20:34] Urchlay: especially if he saw me(is a big chabadnik-looking bruiser) [20:34] firebird619, good now that it's friday [20:34] lolol [20:35] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] chowabunga: lol [20:35] guy rules [20:35] chowabunga: thats a lot of bud [20:35] oh hell, shabbat...later all [20:35] the whole damn us federal government is about to collapse under its own weight of bureaucracy [20:36] firebird619, you [20:36] Pig_Pen> you wish [20:36] not just calif [20:36] nix_chix0r: doing great, thank you. :) [20:36] Pig_Pen> terrorist! [20:36] chowabunga: is that appropriate [20:37] the us federal government is its own enemy just because of its size [20:37] Pig_Pen> yeah right [20:37] how do you attack a hydra [20:37] with another hydra [20:37] you tie its necks in knots? [20:38] Pig_Pen> read 1984 and go back to slurping your fluoride [20:38] (until some genius with a big sword comes along and goes "I solve it thus!") [20:38] man a blackhawk guy just got knocked out from a hit [20:38] chowabunga: Water Board? [20:39] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] bigpaws> hack waterboarding, but it has the same outcome [20:40] fevel (n=fevel@201.19.107.106) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:40] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWt8hTayupE&feature=popular here ya go chowabunga [20:40] lets talk about putting people in a box with insects...thats more my style [20:41] Pig_Pen> i dont click random youtube links. sorry :) [20:41] fevel (n=fevel@201.19.107.106) joined ##slackware. [20:41] wtf i thought mall cop was on ppv already [20:42] umm it just came out tuesday :) [20:42] suit yourself chowabunga [20:42] oh [20:43] kitche: yes, and bullshit penalty! [20:43] well if its out on dvd it should be on direct tvs ppv heh [20:43] how lame [20:43] anyway [20:43] later guys [20:43] frullet_ (n=hooch@124-171-59-81.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [20:43] later jeev [20:44] gypsydawg (n=mike@71.197.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:44] haha i thought i read jew [20:44] orthodox or zionist [20:44] thrice`: I m not really watchings the game just listening really on the tv but seen the hit it looked clean to me [20:44] kitche: yes, exactly :) [20:45] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:45] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [20:46] geeze. someone gets a concussion, and everyone's up in arms [20:46] klontj (i=c721ad01@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cc07714ae3647dca) joined ##slackware. [20:47] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:49] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-180-184.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:49] klontj (i=c721ad01@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cc07714ae3647dca) left ##slackware. [20:53] does any one have directv [20:53] not I. [20:54] nope got TWC [20:54] frullet_ (n=hooch@124-171-59-81.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:55] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-159-125.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [20:56] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-180-184.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [20:58] nix_chix0r: I do [20:58] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:59] Hey lf4 [20:59] lf4, what is the deal with the cnma channels and hardly any ppv channels right now? [20:59] JtH (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [20:59] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:59] i want to order 7pounds and directv shows on the guide it's one some chans called cnma, but the site shows they are only on monday and tuesday [21:00] nix_chix0r: I dont actually know why that is hey firebird619 [21:00] so much for date night:P [21:00] lf4: how's it going? [21:00] nix_chix0r: lol [21:01] psh, my girlfriend and I are watching hockey. screw crappy movies :> [21:01] i hate calling them but i want to know how to order that damn movie=\ [21:01] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [21:01] we were watching mythbusters but every saturday we will dvr some movies [21:01] firebird619: I'm doing well just wondering about what I could do as a command to slow down and see a process that is running for a split second. Would you happen to know that? [21:02] lf4: No I don't sorry. [21:02] mythbusters are censored [21:02] nix_chix0r: I could probably ask my sister she does more with the TV then I do. [21:03] i just never saw those cnma channels before it was always showtime, the packaged movie chanels and ppv lol [21:03] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:03] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:03] lf4: what do you mean ? can you append it to a text file or so? [21:05] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("brb-new kernel"). [21:05] thrice`: I was thinking about that but it would be nice to be able to freeze a shot of the command ps -a right after I run a script. [21:07] lf4: can't you execute ps as the last line of your script with the output directed to a file? [21:08] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [21:09] NyteOwl: yes but the script runs so quickly doing ps right after it still does not show it up. The problem is I dont have a database that is GB's in size unlike other people so it runs so fast. I'll could do a append of PS all the time but thats going to be ugly. :) oh well ugly works sometimes. Thanks for the help. [21:10] np [21:11] night all [21:11] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [21:12] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.153.41) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:13] morning all [21:13] good mourning [21:13] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:14] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [21:14] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [21:14] is there a way i can use find - non recursive? [21:14] thrice`: which game is on? [21:15] compl3x: -d 1 [21:15] compl3x: man 1 find [21:15] :D [21:15] eviljames: cheers buddy [21:15] np\ [21:15] eviljames: already been looking round - skipped past it [21:15] if you use zsh you can tab complete the command line optinos [21:15] most apps will give you simple explanations of what the flags mean in tab complete. [21:15] zsh ftw!! [21:16] firebird619: you know it buddy :D [21:16] firebird619: you went through the whole config menu and set all the tab complete/spell check options already? [21:16] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:16] eviljames: yup [21:16] gj [21:16] Hmm. [21:17] eviljames: also, I'm now on 2.6.29.4-rt :) [21:17] I wonder if I can pipe stdout+stderr to cat and use that to write to a log. [21:17] nice! [21:17] ccfreak2k: as opposed to writing the log and tailing it? [21:17] eviljames, yes. [21:17] how easy is setting up rsync to access FTP servers? [21:17] eviljames: I haven't heard anymore about that zsh themeing issue though. Nothing more on the ml about it. [21:18] byteframe__ (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-149.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:18] lf4: type: rsync -azrPv ftp://ftp.slackware.com/slackware/slackware64-current . [21:18] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-149.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] lf4: you can actually remove the r, -a includes it.. [21:19] oh [21:19] lf4: my mistake it doesn't work that way... don't know why I thought it did! [21:20] hm. "cp -fart" is a valid and even useful set of options... [21:21] "cp -barf" too [21:21] Action: Urchlay needs to grow up [21:21] you spend too much time in the man pages. you need balance. [21:21] lol [21:21] heh! reminds me of the funniest parameter i seen, look at the slackbuild for xine, there is a --disable-nosefart (what the heck is that? [21:21] well if they made woman pages, I'd be all over 'em [21:22] happycycling (n=happycyc@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:22] wb happycycling [21:23] so if you use LILO to run off root. Which partition should I make active? I created swap /boot / /home I set /boot to be boot able [21:23] Urchlay: hear hear. [21:23] firebird619: howd the kernel build go? [21:23] compl3x: went great. [21:23] nice nice [21:24] or which partition should I point LILO's installation to [21:24] happycycling: I don't think lilo cares for the active flag so much as dos/win boot loader does [21:24] I set my hdd boot order [21:24] did you try man lilo.conf ? [21:24] thanks for trying eviljames [21:25] I can't get into slack [21:25] lf4: rsync can be used in a number of interesting ways though. [21:25] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [21:25] hm. "nosefart" seems to be a codec for "NSF PCM audio streams" [21:25] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@118.208.35.37) left irc: "Leaving." [21:25] I set the boot order of my HDDs to the linux drive and it gives me an error [21:25] happycycling> the mbr was installed to the otehr drive [21:25] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.153.41) joined ##slackware. [21:26] yea, but is it possible to use lilo on an actual partition verses the mbr? [21:26] NSF audio? Not Safe For... what? [21:26] paissad (n=paissad@12.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:26] I think it is, but I usually use lilo or grub to let me choose between os. [21:26] so I install it to mbr always. [21:26] happycycling> you were supposed to change boot order before slack install [21:26] ah, just a coincidence it looks that way [21:26] okay [21:26] iirc you can replace lilo with the dos/windows mbr by booting into windows and running fdisk /mbr [21:26] I did do that [21:27] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:27] and it boots correctly to windows now? [21:27] yes,it can install to root partition,lilo and grub [21:27] well i guess linux changed the boot order [21:27] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [21:27] just use one boot order and lilo to boot whatever os [21:27] so if I'm installing lilo to the root partition, that's whatever the / partition is on dev/sdXX? [21:27] yes [21:28] so I have to make that partition bootable? [21:28] psychicist (n=psychici@195-241-68-222.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [21:28] no [21:28] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:28] installing to superblock? [21:28] hmm then it's not working then [21:28] Anyone know how to turn off this annoying desktop switching when scrolling the wheel over the desktop in KDE 4? [21:28] Can't seem to find it in the settings manager. [21:28] can be extended,logical or primary [21:29] my root partition is set to /dev/hdb3 and lilo ran once I set it [21:29] but when my machine boots it doesn't find it [21:29] I just get an error [21:29] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@97-86-234-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:29] What do you have for "boot = " in your /etc/lilo.conf? [21:30] I can't get into the partition [21:30] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [21:30] or else I'd tell you [21:30] psychicist (n=psychici@195-241-68-222.ip.telfort.nl) left ##slackware. [21:30] Alan_Hicks: i'm looking for it atm.. [21:30] you can boot do you partition using the instal ldisk right? [21:30] Hmmm.... is this the computer on which you're typing now? [21:30] yes, it's my other windows partition [21:31] Rats. [21:31] eviljames: Me too. [21:31] try booting using install cd or dvd with root= option [21:31] if I change my boot order to the windows drive, I get into XP. The order is set however to look at the linux disk then windows disk [21:31] paissad (n=paissad@12.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] synaptics touchpad is too easy to scroll the desktop with. [21:31] okay I'll try it [21:32] Alan_Hicks, spend some time configring it. [21:32] where should I install LILO then? [21:32] Alan_Hicks: uh oh [21:32] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) joined ##slackware. [21:32] Alan_Hicks: http://forum.kde.org/disable-desktop-switch-on-mouse-wheel-vertical-scroll-t-27815.html [21:32] hi everybody [21:32] kevin_ (n=kevin@24-107-211-159.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:32] I tend to put mine on the MBR of the first disk. [21:32] if you can boot it ,as root run liloconfigsu [21:32] Also, what is the new txz format? [21:32] Alan_Hicks: looks like you might have to regress to the old style desktop [21:33] lzma compressed tar I think. [21:33] What I call .tlz files. [21:33] how do you specific which mbr? [21:33] The 'boot=' line in /etc/lilo/conf gives the drive. [21:33] happycycling: man lilo.conf - it will provide you with explanations of most of the options [21:34] He's in windows. [21:34] darn overlapping terms "liloconfig" select the /dev/sdb3 or whatever is location [21:34] oh in doze. [21:34] caoliver: oh. [21:34] so what's the easiest way to run lilo? install the mbr or a floppy? [21:35] Hang a sec. I'm booting a virtual machine with 32 bit slackware 12.2 on it. I might be able to pastebin my lilo.conf. [21:35] sure [21:35] i was not aware of that. if you remember the relevant parameters there are options to start the linux side w/ disc 1 and could install that way [21:35] Your machine has a floppy? [21:35] yes lol I built it [21:35] Ok. I think some mobos don't even have a FD connector anymore. [21:36] eviljames: I'm not sure what they mean by "old style". [21:36] it's an i680 nvidia chipset [21:36] Alan_Hicks: instead of using the plasma enabled desktop, you're back to kde3 style w/ just icons [21:36] That sucks. [21:36] indeed. [21:37] bug filed, though.. [21:37] Where's our pastebin? [21:37] install qsynaptics disable scrolling = quick fix [21:37] pastebin.slackadelic.com caoliver :) [21:37] Tnx. [21:37] eviljames: Might just drop to a single desktop. [21:38] Alan_Hicks: I'm choosing to suffer [21:39] i installled newly slamd64, sorrry for asking a relating question of that os into this channel :-( .... but i just would like to know if someone can help me to fix this ! [21:39] Alan_Hicks: Though, fixing this bug shouldn't be hard. the whole thing is c++, right, so it's probably just changing the way an event is handled. [21:39] Nevermind. I just switched it to the classic folder view and that's good enough for me. [21:39] i have this error configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables [21:39] I don't know what the hell this "plasma" desktop is for. [21:39] every time i try to compile a slackbuild [21:39] it's widgetizeable [21:39] instead of kludging around with superKaramba [21:39] thanks in advance [21:39] eviljames: Whoop-te-fuckin' do. [21:39] hahah [21:39] Slackadelic is giving me weird line breaks. [21:39] widgets are for panels, not the desktop. [21:40] This gives me my icons, stops the scrolling, and still lets me use screen corners. Perfect. [21:40] lol go back to using twm ... graphics are for weenies [21:40] ;) [21:41] other than compiz, is there another wm that uses the screen corners in this way? [21:41] Nick change: dogsoul -> h9Ua5 [21:41] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:41] Nick change: h9Ua5 -> dogsoul [21:41] nobody know about this error every time i try to compile a slackbuild ? ... [21:41] configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables [21:41] paissad: check #slamd64 [21:41] Sorry. Slackdelic is bollixing up the formatting of my lilo.conf or I'd show you. [21:42] i did :-( [21:42] eviljames, [21:42] paissad: I responded there. [21:42] sec, I'll pastebin the relevant portinos of mine [21:42] if I make a partition active with cfdisk, then do I lose the data? [21:42] er use the bootable flag [21:43] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*n=Lazerd*@*.dialup.ice.net expired. [21:43] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*n=Lazerd*@*.dialup.ice.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:43] happycycling: nah, no harm done there. [21:43] I don't think, anyhow. Windows requires it to be active to boot though [21:43] well I two seperate physical HDDs [21:44] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:44] ah, and worse yet I have to run.. I'll pastebin this and let the channel sort it out [21:44] grub is great for flipping drives and making one think its the other [21:45] so the mbr is the most common method? [21:46] happycycling: http://pastebin.ca/1431633 [21:46] http://pastebin.com/d6e028c7f [21:47] awesome thanks [21:48] Note the boot line at the top. That indicates the drive where the MBR will be written. [21:49] can you set boot = /dev/sdb3 (where / is located) [21:49] You're running slamd64. ;-) What rev [21:49] and set / with the boot flag via fdisk [21:49] ? [21:49] s7 (n=s7@i59F70070.versanet.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:49] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [21:50] eviljames: what rev of slamd64 are you running? [21:51] I th ink eviljames runs 12.2 [21:52] chasmo_ (n=chas@69.4.148.76) joined ##slackware. [21:52] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [21:54] happycycling (n=happycyc@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: " Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-" [21:57] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) left irc: "Leaving." [21:58] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [21:58] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:00] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.153.41) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:02] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.153.41) joined ##slackware. [22:04] Now I'm trying to figure out how to add another panel. :^) [22:05] kde4? [22:06] yeah [22:06] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [22:06] I've done this before on my own and can't remember how I doned it. :^) [22:06] right-click on the desktop "Add Panel" [22:06] hello, does any one uses firefox and/or konqueror here? [22:07] Dominian: No such option. [22:07] eh.. what [22:07] P4C0: why:? [22:07] Alan_Hicks: what options do you have? [22:07] Nevermind. I was in folder view. [22:07] (well I'm sure you do), firefox sometimes gets really slow, and konqueror gets slow and slows everything else [22:08] heh [22:08] I was just about to say... [22:08] Maybe you can't have multiple panels in folder view. [22:08] Define really slow. [22:08] I got it now. [22:08] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-247-6.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:09] caoliver, in firefox for example, facebook, the page scrolls really slow, and sometimes if i scroll too much it just keeps scrolling [22:09] What version of firefox? [22:09] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [22:09] caoliver: i don't know if it's something with javascript or similar, konqueror today halts my whole system... i was watching a page that had several images... no flash [22:10] caoliver: 3.0.10 [22:10] what video driver P4C0 [22:10] BTW: I don't use Facebook. They may just be doing expensive things in the browser. [22:11] chowabunga: that was my second guess... the video, I'm using the open source radeon [22:11] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:11] Occasionally, firefox-bin goes comatose on me, and I have to kill it, but not often. I think that has to do with flash though. [22:11] try vesa or something for a while [22:11] caoliver: is there a way to limit it? like if a script tries to take too much mem just kill it? [22:11] or framebuffer [22:12] What ATI card are you using? [22:12] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:12] chowabunga: I'm using EXA accel maybe i should try with the default one [22:12] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [22:12] yes [22:12] caoliver: ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Mobility Radeon X300] [22:13] I have a mob rad 3740, but I'm using it with the ATI supplied driver. [22:13] but the java script sucking all my memory really bothers me :( [22:13] How much RAM do you have in the machine? [22:14] caoliver: 1gig [22:14] Yeah. That's a bit funky. I'd expect better behavior in that much space. [22:15] let me see if I can find the page that made me reboot today [22:15] On facebook? [22:15] Reboot. Ugh! [22:16] MrJacks0n (i=Mr@173-86-63-93.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: "Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug." [22:16] caoliver: no, not facebook, with konqueror [22:16] What version of slack are you running? [22:17] caoliver: i jsut opened it, everything started to get really slow, i tried to open a new tab to kill konqueror and bash failed to start with some message that I don't remember... so button time [22:17] caoliver: -current [22:17] lostnhell (n=Unknown@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] That's brave. ;-) [22:18] Do you have swap set up? [22:18] of course i had firefox too, with facebook, some pornsites, news and other sites... the usual... [22:18] http://acidcow.com/pics/2059-russian-wall-e-case-mod-110-pics.html <-- that was the site [22:18] What are you using as a desktop and a window manager? [22:19] okay. that is one cool case mod. :) [22:20] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-63-93.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:20] caoliver: kde, kwin [22:20] i just open the link, it is loading ok, and the scrolling is not really smooth but acceptable [22:21] There are a lot of pix there. My guess is you might had run out of mem. My firefox image there was pushing 300Mb. Plus you've got a heavy desktop. I think you might be thrashing. [22:22] shouldn't the kernel kill the apps that take too much mem? or swap it or something? [22:22] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrash_(computer_science) [22:23] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] Yeah, but if firefox causes something to get swapped in, then gets part of itself swapped out, you can get some nasty resource contention.] [22:23] What app should the kernel kill? [22:24] it's happening now... things are getting slooow [22:24] Do you have a terminal open? [22:24] If so, give the command 'free' and tell me what it says. [22:24] yes, i have 2 kio_http process taking 48% of cpu each [22:24] RES says 10m for each [22:25] I want to know the memused/physical. [22:25] 548 used in swap, 25456 free mem, 615472 buffers/cached [22:25] majikman (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:25] Ok. [22:25] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.153.41) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [22:25] Mem: 1033916 1008460 25456 0 45600 347388 [22:26] -/+ buffers/cache: 615472 418444 [22:26] maybe it's time to go back to fluxbox :p [22:26] When the computer started to go slowly, did you see a lot of disk activity? [22:27] That might not be a bad thing anyhow. [22:27] caoliver: some, but not like a lot [22:27] Does top say anything about other processes eating lots of mem or cpu? [22:28] caoliver: no, i just closed konqueror and it's back to normal [22:28] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-55-213-233.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] Sounds like konq has some issues. [22:28] would there be any point in making an 'official' livedvd of slackware? [22:28] Dunno. [22:29] I need to get groceries. [22:29] Will return. [22:29] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [22:30] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:31] spook: the first cd boots can be used as livecd ;) [22:32] its not really a livecd. in that it doesnt have the features of the full distro [22:32] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-75-184.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:33] chasmo_ (n=chas@69.4.148.76) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:35] tpollard (n=timp@203-196-46-108.static-dsl.qld.aussiewholesale.net) joined ##slackware. [22:35] dogsoul (n=dogsoul@dogsoul.org) left ##slackware. [22:36] i'm thinking more about letting users try slackware out without risk. [22:36] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [22:36] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [22:37] spook: :) sounds good [22:37] gtg [22:37] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: "out" [22:38] spook, would a custom slax iso fit your needs? [22:38] never used slax. [22:38] slax is good in some ways :) [22:38] its not my needs, i'm just thinking about users in general [22:39] this is the first time I looked at it, it is slackware based and you can build a custom iso from the site with the modules you want [22:39] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:40] yeah looks good. [22:41] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [22:43] happycycling (n=happycyc@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:43] success! lol [22:43] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [22:43] tpollard (n=timp@203-196-46-108.static-dsl.qld.aussiewholesale.net) left ##slackware. [22:44] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:44] so now when I compile the latest kernel should I install the newest alsa libraries? remove the slack packages first? [22:45] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:48] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-149.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:50] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.122.76) joined ##slackware. [22:51] how do you install .deb on slackware? [22:51] you dont [22:51] rpm you can use rpm2tgz [22:52] however, it is better to build from source than do that [22:52] slackbuilds are easy to write [22:52] you can extra .debs with ar. [22:53] but in general, I agree with spook. [22:53] do you mean EXTRACT? [22:53] um, yes. :) [22:53] ok thanks... [22:54] ar -x :> [22:55] (bad practice) [22:55] Tyrael_ (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:58] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-40-159-71.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:02] Tyrael (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [23:02] smesh? [23:06] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:06] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:08] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:09] ninjaslim (n=sabeeh@ool-ad035d4e.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.122.76) left irc: "Leaving" [23:10] hey guys, what's the recommended way to install slackware, is it wise to sift through and pick out packages or just install everything [23:10] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Connection timed out [23:10] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@97-86-234-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:11] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:11] when installing the alsa source code is it wise to remove the slack alsa packages? [23:12] ninjaslim: install everything [23:12] happycycling: why would you want to do such a thing? [23:13] to update to the latest alsa drivers [23:13] why? [23:13] danc3: also if i want to install KDE 4, how do i do that or what would be the recommended way [23:13] well my card is in 'experimental' status [23:13] ninjaslim: not sure, but the -current branch has KDE4 if you're brave [23:13] I'm not sure whether to upgrade all the ALSA versions before I compile the module [23:13] ninjaslim: To get that, you would need to upgrade to slackware -current [23:14] happycycling: oh [23:14] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:14] happycycling: I don't know then [23:14] why shouldn't I upgrade alsa versions? no point? [23:14] happycycling: well, actually I would certainly remove the slack packages of alsa before compiling a new version. [23:15] okay cool [23:16] firebird619: interesting, i thought KDE 4 was in Slackware 12.2 [23:16] ninjaslim: No, 12.2 comes with KDE 3.5.10 [23:16] yep [23:16] one more reason to just use XFCE [23:17] http://imagebin.ca/view/a5ytveW.html [23:17] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [23:17] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:17] VampirePenguin: good grief, have the desktop cluttered enough. [23:17] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [23:17] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:17] Action: firebird619 waves hello to Old_Fogie [23:18] kde 4.2.3 is rock solid and finally as functional as 3.5.10 [23:18] VampirePenguin: how did you install it [23:18] firebird619, ya im going widget crazy but i cant see them when i have a window maximized [23:18] dvd [23:18] VampirePenguin: haha [23:19] VampirePenguin: good to hear that KDE 4.2.3 is solid! [23:19] is another possible option using the slackware alsa files from the -current tree or is that bad news? [23:19] it's so difficult for me to get used to Linux, BSD man I am [23:20] happycycling: it's a bad idea to mix and match versions. [23:20] im having one problem vbox, iasl, and latex.... asl wants latex, vbox want asl but there is only tetex in repo and texlive which i prefer in rworkmans [23:20] so im gonna go the qemu route [23:20] so is it even worth upgrading alsa versions then? [23:20] hitest, ya finally [23:21] ClaudioM_ (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:21] 4.2 had mega plasma/oid and kicker crashes [23:21] its come a long way where i would say its usable [23:21] what about upgrading software like firefox? [23:22] ff is same vers [23:22] 3.0.10 [23:22] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:22] so you don't touch the packages with a 12.2 install then? there isn't any packages you upgrade? [23:22] lostnhell (n=Unknown@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:23] happycycling: firefox is one of the things that you can upgrade (because it's a binary repackaging), but as VampirePenguin said, they are the same versions. [23:23] ninjaslim (n=sabeeh@ool-ad035d4e.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [23:23] happycycling: of course there are: but security updates (which are released in patches/ [23:23] where's the folder located? under -current? [23:23] happycycling: "-current" is not some "shiny new version repository", it's the development version of slackware. [23:23] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-35-37.lns3.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] ah [23:23] happycycling: no .. amazingly enough under 12.2/ [23:24] -current exist solely for people to give it a test and find and report bugs/fixen to the development team and Patrick. [23:24] okay [23:24] beantmt (n=bean@166-70-62-135.ip.xmission.com) left ##slackware. [23:24] Hey BP{k}. How are you? [23:24] firebird619: not too bad thanks, you? [23:25] doing well, thanks. [23:25] so is there an updated packages site for 12.2 or what you get off the cd is the end of the story? [23:25] stuff that is stable and not development [23:26] as for things that are part of slackware, apart from patches/ not really. [23:26] probably a dumb question but my slackpkg mirrors when 13.0 comes out do i change what is now current to 13? [23:26] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:26] for third party packages: there is SBo, and some private trusted repositories [23:27] so when you say /patches, that's the directory under the 12.2 iso cd? [23:27] alienbob and rworkman have some good stuff [23:27] or the actual slackware 12.2 ftp site? [23:27] VampirePenguin: that depends, if you want to switch to running 13.0 for a while; then yes. If you want to continue running -current, then no. [23:27] happycycling: a 12.2 {ht,f}tp mirror. [23:27] awesome, thanks [23:28] Pat is good, but he hasn't found a way to update iso's after you burned them. ;-) [23:28] haha [23:28] sorry I'm learning how to use slackware again. It's been 7 years [23:28] VampirePenguin: yeah, as for alienBOB and rworkman's repositories, those were the trusted ones I was thinking of. [23:28] ill probably stick to 13 bc i prefer stability usually over testing but as i was thinking about 12.2 kde 3.5.10 is a dying animal basically.. all new dev will be on the kde 4 platform so might as well upgrade [23:29] they have some good info on their sites [23:31] pkgcheck [23:31] bah. wrong term [23:32] is 3.5.10 still good for a desktop user? [23:32] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:33] happycycling: I am quite happy with it. [23:33] cool [23:33] I think I'm just gonna chill with 12.2 then and wait till 13 [23:34] 3.5.10 is great [23:35] kde 4 is more eye candy [23:35] so do you gets use iptables to run your firewalls or is there a newbie script I could copy? [23:35] happycycling: 3.x is still availabie, and will still be available in 13 as well [23:35] i run a bash script [23:35] sidmario (n=sidmario@201-92-115-31.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:35] I'm reading through the slackbook on iptables, but I don't see how to create a firewall for dummies [23:35] alisonken1home: now tonight? [23:36] Dominian: ? [23:36] just woke up [23:36] oh [23:36] do you work tongith? hehe [23:36] no - sunday night through friday morning [23:36] aha [23:36] happycycling: http://buhkit.net/~michiel/screenies/hades_kde_20080609.png my kde desktop somewhere last year. ;) [23:37] my memorial day holiday will be sunday night - except I'm on call saturday noon to sunday nonon [23:37] wow that is awesome [23:37] alisonken1home: Get paid whiel on call? [23:37] like 2bucks an hour or anything? [23:37] when I'm working on something - yes. [23:37] sweet [23:37] other than that its idle salary time I'm guessing? [23:37] more than 2 bucks, though :) [23:38] i bet [23:38] happycycling: http://buhkit.net/~michiel/screenies/hades_desktop_20080802_1.jpg my xfce desktop at that timeas well :) [23:38] I think I need to update my sscreenshots :) [23:38] on call is just hang around the cell phone, except 6pm to 6am - then it's check the system every hour and fix problems [23:39] hmmm [23:39] happycycling, ill pastebin my iptables setup [23:39] wtf kind of xfce is that [23:39] awesome [23:40] happycycling: I jus tdig out iptable scripts from the internet as well [23:40] you know you can put task bar and icons on the same toolbar... [23:40] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-235.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:40] okay thanks [23:40] chowabunga: well yes, of course I know that. [23:41] http://pastebin.ca/S:1431691 [23:41] 100% no config [23:41] chowabunga: and your point is exactly what? [23:41] omg u put playlist above the xmms player [23:41] im still new with how slack works i have to figure out how to auto start this [23:41] just that you dont optimize or customize much..... [23:41] VampirePenguin: ? page not found [23:41] so in terms of tasks to complete after installing slack. You configure X, firewall, services, and what else? [23:41] but if you do a sh pkgname it will populate iptables [23:41] let me check [23:41] auto start what? [23:42] maybe i didnt get the whole link [23:42] You want to autoload iptables? [23:42] we're talking about creating a firewall [23:42] with iptables [23:42] chowabunga: It works for me. I don't need/want to spend hours just fine tuning my configuration. I know what works for me. :) [23:42] ok [23:42] you have an extra S: in there - plus the post only has file://home/orangeroot1000/bin/iptables.setup [23:42] Creating an iptables firewall is pretty simple.. [23:42] BP{k}> it takes 10 minutes and its rewarding, but okay [23:42] create a file called rc.firewall in /etc/rc.d [23:42] happycycling: i use this,netsecl is a slack variant,but the firewall scripts compatible,painless http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/NetSecL-Firewall-Download-14234.html [23:42] chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall and put your rules in there [23:43] it will auto load everytime the system starts after that [23:43] chowabunga: What you find rewarding and what I find rewarding are quite likely very different things. [23:43] BP{k}: grsecurity ftw btw [23:43] or that,it is better to learn,you can create one with kmyfirewall also [23:43] BP{k}: just spend the last 1hr 20mins messing' with it in a vm hehe [23:43] BP{k}> not if you care about efficiency [23:43] and aesthetics [23:44] Dominian: hehe, sounds like fun. :) [23:44] whaddup [23:44] Hey nix_chix0r [23:44] so netsecl spits out a firewall config file? [23:44] you take that and put it in /etc/rc.d? [23:44] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124286145192740987.html [23:44] and chmod it [23:45] BP{k}: Well, that was just fixing up the default install of slackware-current... [23:45] BP{k}: just wait till I start "mirroring" my server setup .. that'll be even more fun [23:45] its an installer yes,read the readme in the tarball [23:45] happycycling: /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall [23:45] if the file is rc.firewall and chmod +x rc.M will pick it up and execute it [23:46] if I wrote the rules with iptables by hand. How complicated is the process or how many lines? [23:46] huh? [23:46] eh? [23:46] you're putting firewall rules into rc.firewall correct? [23:46] about 40k lines [23:46] The Moon is Waning Crescent (3% of Full) [23:46] happycycling: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13990 [23:46] that's my rc.firewall [23:47] just an example [23:47] shorewall ftw [23:47] bah [23:47] lazy [23:47] :) [23:47] i have better things to do than write iptables rules [23:48] like...chop my penis off [23:48] lol [23:48] uh [23:48] ouch [23:48] lol [23:48] prag (n=sri_user@220.225.233.209) joined ##slackware. [23:48] Action: Dominian gives straterra the magnifying glass.. [23:48] [ in bed ] [23:49] lol [23:49] hehe [23:49] Hey Old_Fogie [23:49] firebird619, heya [23:49] why is the slackware iso download so large. [23:49] depends on the iso [23:49] hey Old_Fogie:), firebird619:) [23:49] i am downloading the dvd iso it is 3400mb [23:49] yeah? [23:49] "large" is subjective tho, ask my old lady what large is :) [23:49] makes sense to me [23:50] its got the entire "tree" on it [23:50] sorry about the delay [23:50] Hey hitest [23:50] http://pastebin.ca/1431694 [23:50] Dominian: That's fine until the iptables-restore file is hosed :) [23:50] hey hitest [23:50] :) [23:50] prag: that includes everything you need [23:50] alisonken1home: yep [23:50] alisonken1home: backups ftw [23:50] is that what i should download or is there a smaller download [23:50] prag: + source [23:50] Youc an download each disk one at a time [23:50] but if you can do DVD.. i recommened Dvd [23:50] good to see you fine gentlemen here:) [23:50] run it as a bash script then check iptables with iptables -nvL then do /usr/sbin/iptables-save [23:50] happycycling (n=happycyc@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!" [23:50] prag: you can try d/l the 6 cd iso's instead [23:51] Old_Fogie: I got pcmanfm and claws-mail working again. :) [23:51] VampirePenguin: i rarely use iptables-save [23:51] firebird619, oh yea what was going on in ye ole' boxen over there? [23:51] only iptables-restore [23:51] haha he's grunting on the baby monitor [23:51] Old_Fogie: Well, not sure the exact cause, but I had to remove their respective files in /tmp and then tada, they worked. :P [23:51] well im trying to figure out how to load on boot [23:51] bc right now iptables clears [23:52] Dominian: I usually have a check to ensure iptables-restore actually did restore, then have a separate file that includes the script rules JIC [23:52] Action: Dominian nods [23:52] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:52] VampirePenguin: I told you how to load it.. [23:52] so - every time I add a rule, I add it to the script file [23:52] firebird619, as if...the files were in /tmp ... you tried running hte binaries..they failed...but you cleared /tmp then the same binaries, already installed "magically" worked ? [23:53] ok back later [23:54] Old_Fogie: yeah. I don't know what caused it, but all seems to work now. tovidgui is another story, still haven't got that going, or adesklets to compile, but other than that, all seems to be well. [23:54] firebird619, you may want to consider, "upgradepkg --reinstall libtool-..." [23:54] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-98-192-66-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:55] firebird619, clearing out /tmp should make no diff under normal circumstances, unless your / was full. [23:55] firebird619, if binaries are looking in /tmp then either 'libtool --finish' didnt do it's job when building, or you never run ldconfig on reboot, or I dunno. [23:56] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [23:56] My / is far from full. 83 GB free space, so that isn't it. [23:56] yea ok. [23:56] Old_Fogie: I've had these things installed for a while now, if it was libtool or something, why just all of a sudden did it stop working until clearing /tmp? [23:57] Both of the apps he mentioned open sockets in /tmp, so if /tmp is full or unwritable, then they won't work. [23:57] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:57] I bet your /tmp perm's were somehow blew out, or your /tmp is on diff drive or full then. [23:57] rworkman: I was getting Permission Denied and Operation not permitted errors when trying to run them from cli. [23:57] oh rworkman wrote something [23:57] lol [23:57] yeah check your perms on /tmp/ [23:58] it should be chmod 1777 /tmp and owned by root [23:58] prag (n=sri_user@220.225.233.209) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:59] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:59] Old_Fogie: Do I check by ls -l /tmp? Since these issues, and clearing /tmp. I added to fstab a tmpfs line for /tmp. The contents in /tmp at the moment are firebird users, not root. [00:00] --- Sat May 23 2009