[00:01] iceheart (~nihao@221.235.188.82) joined ##slackware. [00:03] very quiet [00:03] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:03] with antici... pation [00:04] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [00:05] how to connect to wireless network without GUI? [00:06] iceheart, very carefully [00:06] Action: nix_chix0r lets one rip [00:06] Action: NaCl gets a gas mask [00:06] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:06] thats one tasty burger [00:07] whatever happened to the third-personness? [00:07] alisonken1home: ? [00:07] veritos (~veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:07] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:08] i have spend an hour to this [00:08] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:08] iceheart: man wpa_supplicant [00:09] and look at /etc/rc.d/rc.wireless.conf [00:09] ok [00:10] I think all the settings for wireless have moved to rc.inet1.conf [00:10] some of them are [00:10] rheault (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:10] looks like all of them [00:10] jhell_ (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [00:11] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [00:12] Action: NaCl shrungs [00:12] *shrugs [00:12] iceheart, try http://www.slackbook.org/html/network-configuration-wireless.html [00:12] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network [00:13] iceheart: wicd is in the extra/ package set, it has a wicd-curses interface. [00:13] anyone disagree that wicd is the easiest way to get this done? [00:13] Action: andarius does [00:13] i'm using wicd now eviljames [00:13] as it does not allow two interfaces to be configured [00:14] I like wicd myself - works great on my 13.0 setup [00:14] i didn't realize he was looking for 2 interfaces [00:14] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:14] Nick change: jhell_ -> jhell [00:14] you did not specify for his/her use [00:14] I disagree, and you asked if anyone did [00:15] hmm. I have no counterpoint. That was perfect. [00:15] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [00:17] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:17] iwconfig could finish the same function? [00:18] it could be done with iwconfig, yes [00:18] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:19] marchhare (~marchhare@cpe-184-59-28-192.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:21] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:21] and how to get IP ? [00:22] dhcpcd [00:22] man iwconfig [00:22] man dhcpcd [00:24] en, i know, thanks [00:24] *.t?z ;) [00:25] uhm great .. damn scrollback. [00:25] lol [00:25] BP{k} 0, scrollback 1 [00:25] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [00:29] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [00:32] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:32] k3b in 13.1 RC2 is MUCH improved. . . no more dialogs about needing root privileges, hour glass pointer, and random crashes [00:33] no random crashes is definately a move in the right direction [00:34] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:35] fhobia: I never had those in 13.0.. or 12.2, or when I was making my own kde4 hybrid :P [00:35] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [00:35] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] otoh, andarius, I felt that pain :P [00:36] i didn't have a problem before this kde4 business started :P [00:36] rookie (Rookie@111.174.16.234) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:36] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:36] oh crap [00:37] the default honking noise after its done ripping [00:37] scared the heck out of me [00:37] HAHA [00:38] rookie (Rookie@111.174.16.234) joined ##slackware. [00:38] hey, i'm getting an error when trying startx that module i810 does not exist [00:38] this is on my laptop [00:39] kde and fluxbox start... but i'm trying to get xmonad to start [00:39] hmm ...that is odd...why would xmonad care? [00:39] are you sure those others start now ? [00:39] i have 'xmonad &' in .xinitrc and that's were the problems start [00:40] fhobia: yeah... i got fluxbox running on one tty and trying to start xmonad on another [00:40] you can start two different window managers ??? [00:40] also i have "exec xmonad" rather than "xmonad &" btw [00:40] in my .xinitrc [00:40] fhobia: ctrl+alt+f6 and ctrl+alt+f7 [00:41] hmph no kidding [00:41] fhobia: will try [00:41] i used cabal so i actually have "exec $HOME/.cabal/bin/xmonad" [00:41] also if it doesn't work zoran119, can you try exiting fluxbox altogether [00:41] and then just try xmonad by itself [00:41] ? [00:42] also tell us how you are starting X [00:43] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon124952.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [00:43] fhobia: let me have a play [00:43] what does that mean? [00:43] lol [00:44] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.39.97) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [00:44] he wants to play a game? [00:44] oh, i think it just means he wants to fool around with it [00:44] and leave us hanging man !!! [00:44] -.- [00:45] sorry people... australian talk [00:45] yep... 'exec xmonad' fixed it [00:45] odifferenth [00:46] oh crap, i didn't mean that [00:46] fhobia: thanks [00:46] np [00:46] i don't know why that has anything to do with i810 though [00:46] not sure either [00:46] xmonad <3 [00:49] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:50] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:50] fhobia: i like xmonad... just having a hard time with haskel [00:51] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: look, on your chin.... what is that? it looks like... [00:52] If I just installed kde, has kdm been set to start at boot? [00:52] Sarago: have a look at /etc/inittab [00:53] does anyone know how to get the machine NOT to try and connect on eth0 at boot? (any interface for that matter) [00:53] slack defaults with runlevel 3.. unless that changed in 13.1... [00:53] zoran119: modify /etc/rc.inet1.conf [00:53] i want to log in and then connect myself [00:54] iceheart (~nihao@221.235.188.82) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:54] zoran119: leave /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf empty? [00:56] cool... i'll investigate that [00:56] and another BIG one... getting the laptop to suspend when i shut the lid in xmonad... any guides out there? [00:57] ariarat (~ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) joined ##slackware. [00:57] zoran119: suspend to ram or disk? [00:57] wescotte: ram would be the first option [00:58] zoran119: its as simple as invoking pm-suspend or pm-hibernate as root while having resume support in lilo [00:58] rookie (Rookie@111.174.16.234) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:58] zoran119: go into the KDE settings and advanced then click power management.. click edit profiles and then tell it what you want to do when you close the lid [00:59] however like sahko mentioned you have to modify lilo to support resuming if you want to use suspend to disk [00:59] rookie (Rookie@111.174.16.234) joined ##slackware. [01:01] sahko: cool... pm-suspend worked [01:01] i think.... it seemed to work with no x (if that makes any difference) [01:02] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [01:03] oh not using x? [01:03] wescotte: will be [01:04] wescotte: but xmonad or someting... not kde [01:04] you are going to have to tinker with acpi_handle.sh and friends to catch the close lid event [01:04] and call pm-suspend when that happens [01:05] here is an interesting one... i startx in one tty and it works fine... i then go to another tty (ctr+alt+f4) and then when i come back to the first tty the x session is dead [01:05] ah [01:05] with a message that 'i810' and 'fbdev' modules don't exist [01:06] okay, I set /etc/inittab to runlevel 4, but how do I know kdm is set for display manager? [01:07] Sarago: /etc/rc.d/rc.4 [01:07] Khratos (~jespinal@66.128.60.148) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:07] Khratos (~jespinal@66.128.60.148) joined ##slackware. [01:08] Nick change: Badatom -> DisObedientAtom [01:09] Sarago (chegney@97-116-91-65.mpls.qwest.net) left ##slackware. 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[01:17] I'd like to know before I change all my handler scripts [01:19] pm-* is a framework, it does more than run the kernel pm functions, it does stuff in userland first (defined by hooks) [01:20] the idea is this helps do some house cleaning for HW that doesn't work with vanilla kernel suspend [01:20] damn, kdeinit4 --suicide does not in fact suicide - it has the urge to seize life and never give up ! [01:21] Trini: to give one example, it'll unload modules before suspending if you tell it to, sometimes modules don't suspend right and so cause echo "mem" > ... to screw up [01:21] mancha: ok, ok thanks for the overview [01:22] rookie (Rookie@111.174.16.234) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:22] rookie (Rookie@111.174.16.234) joined ##slackware. [01:22] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-185-76.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:22] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:22] mancha: this may or may not be related to the high power drain in acpi sleep that I'm having on this thinkpad [01:22] its a known bug as was supposedly correct in recent kernels [01:22] heya,slackers [01:23] slink (copy@node-43.blackcore.net) left irc: [01:23] you mean power consumption is to high when in suspend-to-ram mode? [01:23] too* [01:23] *corrected [01:23] yes [01:23] battery is dead in like 3hrs [01:23] yeah, i don't know anything about that but it sounds to me like some device is not powering down [01:24] plus the bottom gets like a furnace (when in my bag) [01:24] mancha: yep its a radeon card not powering down [01:24] hmmmm (~no@pool-71-161-246-88.sctnpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:24] ah ok. there you go. [01:24] hmmmm (no@pool-71-161-246-88.sctnpa.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:24] radeon: force_sleep in lilo + inird is supposed to clear tha up [01:25] but I don't think it has [01:25] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:25] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:26] well I'll take a look at pm-suspend and see how it works out [01:26] on that note I had quickly browsed the manpage and there is a param for this radeon bug but its for earlier series notebooks... :( [01:27] try it anyway ? [01:27] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@ip174-64-14-107.br.br.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:27] fhobia: I think I will [01:30] you know this card is soo problematic that there is radeontool command to try and help [01:30] heh [01:30] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. 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[01:36] I can't reproduce the problem, so I'm trying to gather as much information as possible before it happens again. [01:36] oh, i have an asus ul30a [01:36] lighter laptop with integrated graphics [01:37] quiet. [01:37] lol [01:37] I was just looking at those. there's about 200 variations. [01:37] ok lighter and quieter, can't beat that [01:37] i got the one on amazon, the x5 [01:37] screen estate? [01:37] it was the cheapest and black colored [01:37] pretty small, 13" 16:9 [01:37] i do like the 14.1" thinkpad display i had before [01:38] also this asus has a real glossy screen which is annoying [01:38] I was about to ask if you were ok with that [01:38] besides proper touchpad recognition everything works in linux fine [01:38] i can live with it :3 [01:38] fhobia, are you referring to the touchpad not clicking? [01:38] lol you do sound contented [01:39] no, it gets recognized as logitech mouse rather than elantech touchpad [01:39] shiney... [01:39] however, it will be fixed in .34 supposedly [01:39] yes, its very shiney...wrist area gets fingerprints a lot [01:39] oh ok, because my touchpad clicked in ubuntu and not in slackware and I'm so happy it doesn't now [01:39] 12 hours of battery life. [01:39] ah you see? 'supposedly' [01:39] ut, let's trade [01:39] i can get 7-8 hours on this [01:39] actually doing stuff [01:39] pretty cool !!! and the x5 has the SMALLER batter [01:40] than the a2 or whatever [01:40] i get 2 sort of doing stuff [01:40] Action: ut doesn't get 12 hours, has a few-years old macbook [01:40] which is also on amazon [01:40] since i'm a silent nut i can't stand macbook [01:40] i get in the 3-4 range unless i open a webpage with flash on it [01:40] the fan sounds like an airplane taking off [01:40] yeah. the fan is pretty infuriating. [01:40] mostly comes on when flash is on haha [01:40] otherwise its all right [01:41] as long as it stays at 3000 rpm or lower i'm fine [01:41] lol' [01:41] fhobia: look what you did; I was ignoring the fan until now, its bothering me :( arrr [01:41] rofl [01:41] i'm so sorry man [01:41] hahah [01:42] t40-t42 supposed to be the best generation though [01:42] Action: TriniTuX will set state to conservative to kill fan [01:42] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-1.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [01:42] rookie (Rookie@111.174.16.234) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:42] Action: ut has an old desktop with a bunch of $1 case fans that raises quite a racket [01:42] rookie (Rookie@111.174.16.234) joined ##slackware. [01:43] oh, my desktop is friggin noisy ...i'm going to try to rebuild with silent components [01:43] I bought 120mm fan justs for that [01:43] :P get the computer case with the rubber bands that suspend the hd to prevent vibrations and stuff [01:43] rofl [01:43] no really that makes a diff [01:44] I used bubble wrap washers etc [01:44] been reading guides on spcr.com [01:44] haha cool [01:44] yes the system was quiet [01:44] rheault (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:45] until I got a 8800gs ; oh damn that crap is loud [01:45] I feel like I'm next to a blade server [01:45] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.138) joined ##slackware. [01:45] XD [01:45] the only thing i think would bug me about that asus is that the display is only 768 pixels tall. i know that's normal. [01:46] but 800 feels a bit like working inside a box [01:46] yeah [01:46] well yeah [01:46] i use a tiling wm without any status bars or title bars in effort to get enough space [01:46] i just have two terminals on the right and one firefox [01:47] thats pretty much all you can fit [01:47] even if its widescreen you can't compromise soo much at that same time [01:47] and it still feels a little bit small [01:47] but i can connect to my 40" tv via the hdmi port! [01:47] :) [01:48] i just installed xmonad on my old x24, for purposes of fiddling. i think i like it. [01:48] good to see you really got everything up and running [01:48] yeah, i'm shocked [01:49] it takes a while to get used to the haskell configuration, but it is pretty cool [01:51] o [01:51] folk brb, I'm going to test out the radeon + pm-suspend + fire_hot_laptop union [01:51] ok 8) [01:51] the haskell's ... i figure i wanted to learn it anyways [01:51] good luck [01:52] yeah...hahaha i'm learning haskell now because of that [01:52] its pretty fun [01:52] ut: yep I hope is works [01:52] TriniTuX (clayton@cuscon124952.tstt.net.tt) left ##slackware. [01:56] jrt05 (~jason@c-98-196-24-103.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:03] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:06] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-6-213.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:07] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-67-251.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[02:59] hello folks [02:59] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Quit: )(ã_â) ) [03:00] so i killed kde earlier, i was on here, and i reinstalled kde, but nothing appears to solve my problem here [03:00] did you rename your .kde directory to like .kde-poop [03:00] and then try restarting ? [03:00] haha [03:00] no didn't [03:01] i'm rebooting right now [03:01] cuz i let it reinstall while i was gone, watching the blackhawks game [03:01] which was awesome btw [03:01] byfuglien for the game winner, yet again [03:01] but anyways [03:02] this is most disconcerting. [03:02] it says its missing some sort of lib [03:03] and that obviously can't be the case, seeing how it worked yesterday just fine [03:03] actually it worked til like 3pm [03:03] today [03:03] you installed all the packages in the kde category ? [03:03] yes sir [03:03] all right, what's the missing lib ? [03:03] lemme see here [03:04] i just tried to startx again and it failed, of course [03:04] grazymax (~grazymax@host49-154-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:05] cannot load module glx, cannot load module fbdev, error while loading shared libraries libGL.so.1 [03:06] and an entire page of other invalid things goin on there [03:06] ok, i don't think this is kde's fault anymore... [03:06] did you fool around with xorg.conf or something ? [03:06] nvidia? fglrx? [03:06] uhm, i have a few xorg's saved just in case [03:06] i did try to load an nvidia driver yesterday [03:06] ah, the dirty laundry surfaces [03:07] haha, is that what killed it? [03:07] maybe :3 [03:07] my libGL.so.1 is in /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 [03:07] do you have that ? [03:08] how would i find it? [03:08] lol.. [03:08] there's alot of stuff in there [03:08] well, we have the same distribution [03:08] so you would do "ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2" [03:09] and see if you have it [03:09] doesn't appear to be there [03:09] there's an uhoh [03:09] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:10] yeah, there is one red flag [03:10] that seems fairly essential [03:10] ok, doing "grep -H libGL.so.1.2 *" in /var/log/packages [03:10] mesa-7.8.1-i486-1:usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 [03:11] so that file belongs to the mesa package [03:11] do you have that installed? or perhaps dancing with nvidia caused that file to be moved ? [03:11] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:12] well i've attempted to install the nvidia driver before.. without such catastrophic consequences [03:12] hmm. i don't fully understand grep.. but i did grep -H libGL.so.1.2 [03:12] and its just giving me a blank cursor [03:13] i put a "*" [03:13] so that it searched all files in /var/log/packages [03:13] without the * it tries to read from STDIN [03:13] there we go [03:14] just a little typographical error [03:14] alright, so i returned the mesa thing you typed up there [03:14] you must've obliterated it somehow, functionoverform [03:15] i'm too powerful for my own good, sir [03:15] yeah, working out too much man [03:15] how would one repair said file [03:16] you could reinstall the package [03:16] the mesa package? [03:16] yeah [03:16] upgradepkg --reinstall mesa... [03:16] where mesa... is the full name of the package with .tgz or .txz extension [03:17] you could probably use slackpkg too [03:17] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [03:18] yeah.. the upgradepkg says file not found [03:19] and slackpkg says no file matches the pattern for reinstall [03:19] so in other words, it says no [03:19] file not found? where are you doing this command ? [03:19] root as / [03:20] i meant that the other way around.. but xchat would be confused [03:20] is there a mesa package file in the / directory ? [03:20] no [03:20] i have no idea where it is [03:20] then file not found no ? [03:20] it is on your slackware cd or on a slackware ftp site [03:20] or you can tell slackpkg to reinstall it [03:20] i tried that [03:20] slackpkg said no.. [03:20] ...ok, let me look at the command [03:21] functionoverform, it should point to this tile --> ftp://slackware.oregonstate.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/slackware/x/mesa-7.5-i486-1.txz [03:21] lemme try again, hang on [03:21] what is the slackpkg command you gave? [03:22] or what other mirrors you have slackpkg set to retrieve from [03:23] slackpkg reinstall mesa-7.5-i486-1.txz [03:23] i'll check the mirrors real quick [03:23] that does look fine [03:24] carroll.cac.psu... [03:24] is my current mirror [03:24] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-143.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:24] so when you did "slackpkg search mesa" that is the package it came up with ? [03:25] yeah [03:25] hmm are you sure you need the extension ? [03:25] i don't actually [03:26] fuxor [03:26] err [03:26] alright, so i picked upgrade instead of reinstall [03:26] because that was an option listed [03:26] hold on a minute [03:26] i just did slackpkg reinstall mesa [03:26] and it popped up a nice ncurses dialog for me [03:26] i could try that [03:26] with the mesa package in there [03:26] ... [03:27] it didn't give me that option [03:27] with the same damn command [03:27] which isn't puzzling so much as enraging [03:27] its as if your computer is friendlier with the ftp server [03:27] "slackpkg reinstall mesa" ? [03:27] lol [03:27] i am a pretty lucky guy [03:27] it does nothing [03:28] ok, well it sounded like you had another approach [03:28] gives me a try something else asshole [03:28] i did, but it will undoubtedly cause other problems [03:28] i guess i may have a newer edition of slackpkg, because i am on current [03:28] well shit.. can i update slackpkg itself? via slackpkg? [03:28] lol [03:29] nah, just work with what you got [03:29] lol [03:29] the universe implides due to a recursion bomb [03:29] has anybody googled today? god i love pacman [03:29] *implodes [03:29] i google everyday but not thru the frontpage [03:29] try it [03:29] today its free pacman [03:29] and clicking inserts coins [03:30] maybe its pacmans birthday [03:30] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:30] someday they will have quake2 gwt on the front page [03:30] it is! [03:30] did a few times earlier...puts a spin when you get stucked in the groove of the letter 'g' and 'e'..:) [03:30] ah ha.. its 30 years today [03:31] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [03:31] 30th b-day [03:31] when was ms pacman, born, btw? [03:32] so basically... if i do this.. i'm pretty sure i'll destroy chrome [03:32] which can be rebuilt i guess.. [03:32] i think that's it though? [03:32] i hope so.. [03:32] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-153-98.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:33] mancha, wiki's says back in '81...so I guess google'll have that one next year [03:33] if you can't start X then why worry about chrome ? [03:33] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.218.193) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:33] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.217) joined ##slackware. [03:33] tank-man a custom script or some such as to not use the front page? [03:33] lol [03:33] because without chrome [03:33] no facebook functionality [03:33] MLanden :) the "Ms." is very telling of the times.... [03:34] facebook doesn't work on bloatfox anymore ? [03:34] Rashid-, my web browser has a text input field for "searches" [03:34] omfg it worked [03:34] firefox, opera, konqueror [03:34] thanksguys! [03:34] firefox doesn't work [03:34] konqueror reads it like a mobile site [03:34] lol [03:34] I like links myself, or a simple perl script if I am wanting to tinker around [03:35] mancha, lol.....true,like that hybrid Baby PacMan(1/2 video game,1/2 pinball) that followed [03:35] and opera's close source.. [03:35] haha that is weird...facebook better fix that [03:35] so is chrome i guess [03:35] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.24.204) joined ##slackware. [03:35] chromium is open source [03:35] true true [03:35] is there a chromium slackbuild? [03:36] search for it using sbopkg [03:36] google is an innovation black hole.. ideas come in, in the form of open source and do not go back out again. too much closed source work from google for my taste [03:36] ...ok [03:36] chromium also comes in daily builds, which can repackage (no need to compile) [03:36] is there a way to change the --limit-rate in wget while it's downloading a file? [03:36] yeah.. fuck the man [03:36] yeah, lets all bing to fight against the man [03:36] nah, i like google [03:36] lol [03:36] google is doing a LOT right [03:36] i mean, any big company has to be a bit prickish [03:37] i think the open sourcing of vp8 was a good thing [03:37] bing is ms lol.. not much better. [03:37] "not much better" [03:37] i hate google's new sidebar, and they arrogantly refuse to add an option to disable it [03:37] but they treat their employees right, they invest in the right sectors, overall one of the least evil companies out there [03:37] such arrogance! [03:37] "bing is ms lol.. not much better." [03:37] also i think a nice public DNS which respects the RFCs is nice too [03:38] yeah fuck bing [03:38] why are you upset at google? [03:38] its links to buy shit more! [03:38] seriously, that's the only benefit i've ever heard of from bing [03:38] you can find shit to buy quicker [03:39] HEH [03:39] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:41] oh man, its so nice having kde again [03:41] XD [03:42] seriously, i love the cli, i have konsole open at all times [03:42] but i can't stream movies from the console [03:42] well.. i can.. [03:42] i found out [03:42] which looks insane btw [03:42] or look at the galleries of that girl on facebook [03:42] haha, well i'm leaving soon for the navy, so my fb is a hotbed of activity [03:42] :) [03:43] anybody else ever notice vlc will actually try to play a movie in a konsole? [03:43] and it succeeds... [03:43] lol ...noo [03:43] damn [03:43] you need to do that shit [03:43] vlc ftw [03:43] just log in as root in a console so that it cant launch the separate window [03:43] and vlc * [03:43] oh man.. [03:43] its amazingly cool [03:43] i actually did watch/listen to an entire episode of bill maher like that [03:44] man.. i'm gonna do that right now [03:45] marchhare (~marchhare@cpe-184-59-28-192.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:46] my buddy once told me that vlc would "play anything on anything" [03:46] and it hasn't failed me yet. [03:46] except i haven't tried installing it on my nokia e71 yet.. lol [03:47] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:48] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-097-124.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [03:49] btw, chromium as of last night, supports vp8 :) [03:50] chrome for linux still only support h264 (in html5 tags) but still better than flash w/ older codecs [03:50] functionoverform, with the nokia's arm11 CPU,should run...don't know how difficult gettin' linux to run on is [03:50] and nightly builds of FF support it too, as does Opera (although only deb packages atm) [03:50] heya MLanden [03:50] heya,fire|bird [03:51] nightly's of FF's dev release. I hope they backport to 3.6.x [03:51] lol MLanden [03:51] that's a project for another time [03:51] also, i can't use opera, they rely on a very new glibc, the fuck's their problem? [03:51] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: Bang Bang!!!! [03:51] actually i'll get a new phone in a couple months [03:51] talking about opera's webm snapshot now... [03:51] i'm eyeing those new snapdragon android phones... [03:52] or the nexus one, which sounds cool, but i hear performance is so so [03:52] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:52] mancha, I tried out the latest FF nightly with it, and a few youtube videos, was very nice, I hope it takes over and destroys flash. ;) [03:53] fire, i also played since last night with it. flash is dead, this is clear... [03:53] the question now is which codec (not container). h264 or vp8 [03:53] vp8 =) [03:54] mancha: been able to compare the quality of both? [03:54] mancha, yeah, flash is doomed, thankfully. [03:54] adrien, my eyes aren't good enough for that. but they have a nice vp8 of Elephants Dream which looks amazing to me [03:55] I haven't really used vp8 yet but from what I've read it's not as good as h264 [03:55] dejavu [03:55] adrien, the word on the street is bitrate-for-bitrate, vp8 is close to h.264 quality [03:56] mancha: yup, heard that too and saw some screenshots [03:56] of course, the codec will be improved though the bitstream specs are set, so any improvements should not break backwards compat.. [03:56] if quality is 90% (or even 85%) of h264's, it's going to be used, I mean: video streaming on the web, do people really expect crystal-clear images? [03:57] the biggest question, imvho, that will determine the fate of vp8 is whether HW makers will include codecs or not [03:57] mancha: yeah, I'm always amazed at how much better encoders get.. look at early DVDs compared to them now... They are so much better now [03:57] the streams on tvshack are about as good as dvd streamed, so not too bad [03:57] i hear google is already in serious talks with HW makers who are not against including vp8 into their hardware [03:57] it's all in what matters to you: for instance, early encoders would fail at encoding hair properly but now, they'll spend more bits on a single hair and less on uniform surfaces [03:57] adrien: depends on what I'm watching.. If I'm streaming a movie from netflix I'd like it to look nice. If it's youtube cat video I probably don't care.. [03:58] wescotte: right, but youtube and friends make up the most of web streaming [03:58] and porn [03:58] so right now HW has h264 in it so it has an unfair advantage over vp8 [03:58] if google can get HW makers on board, then i think vp8 will triumph [03:58] vp8 is cheaper to decode too right? wonder if they can do it in software for most devices w/o the hardware.. [03:59] well, my music/video player does flac decoding but not h264, guess the licensing costs have something to do with that [03:59] you don't want to do it in SW though [03:59] wescotte: maybe not, could be more expensive actually [03:59] but anyway, you'll need hardware for higher res, even for mpeg2 you'd prolly need hardware for 1080p [03:59] there's a rather heated debate on slashdot about a high school science lab [03:59] I mean cheaper as in less cpu intensive.. [03:59] today the single most important criterion is power consumption, you need your device to live on batteries for a long time [03:59] and which os it should run [04:00] maddddd shit talking about linux.. and hilariously.. lots of people like.. oh yeah, definitley use XP, because our 750 thousand dollar spectrometer uses it?! [04:00] so you prefer low consumption hw-optimized codecs in your gpus, not running in sw taking up cpu cycles [04:01] anybody got a eee? [04:01] eeepc* [04:02] i am pretty optimistic that google gets HW on board.... [04:02] what's HW? [04:02] i mean they already have mozilla, opera, and a few other high profile folks in their camp... [04:02] like a codec or something? [04:03] hardware [04:03] hahaha [04:03] but the "other side" is very powerful! apple wants h.264 as does fraunhofer (evil snicker) [04:03] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:04] eh I doubt Apple has the numbers to push anything through.. Youtube is probably the decider [04:05] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4246, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-04-10 03:32:29 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [04:05] i don't really understand why we don't have open source video formats [04:05] for everything [04:05] $$$ [04:06] yeah, but its not gonna last [04:06] because they are damn hard to do well [04:06] because they have shorter planning horizons or are inept [04:06] yeah, that's the thing [04:06] they're thinking short term profits [04:06] take adobe for example, they could have opened up their flash container format and been on top of the world right now [04:07] "how much can we get retards to pay for something that will be gone in 2 years!?" [04:07] instead they're breathing their final breaths [04:07] yeah, that's what happens when you cling to things [04:07] "pry flash out of our cold dead hands!" [04:08] I don't think flash is going away anytime soon [04:08] yeah, of course [04:08] lol [04:08] just youtube could keep that shit alive forever [04:09] youtube is going html5 though [04:09] so it'll switch over to something else? [04:09] well Google owns vp8 now.. so who knows.. [04:09] html5.. is that even an agreed upon standard now? [04:09] it's gotta be a huge pain in the ass to transcode everything on youtube :) [04:10] html5 is in process of submission for acceptance [04:10] oh i gotcha [04:10] estimates have it getting reconition by w3m by 2021 or something like that [04:11] o.o [04:12] eh, as soon as its widely deployed, A. nobody will have any idea what the fuck it is.. kinda like html 4. and B. by 2021 we'll be on html 6 at least. [04:12] this of course doesn't mean we have to wait until 2021 to use the featureset :) [04:12] 8) [04:12] the google wave thing is heavily dependent on html 5 i think [04:12] my buddy matt has that [04:13] he was one of the test people..he said it was kinda lame [04:13] there are many elements to the html5 specs...which does google wave need? [04:13] i'm not sure [04:13] canvas is already in deployment, for example, right? [04:13] I've seen some cool stuff done with canvas [04:14] i dunno, i am not a web designer/pubisher [04:14] right, ok, so canvas is out there. google's already playing with the video tag on youtube, etc.... [04:15] it all seems like the internet is getting more resource hungry [04:15] just to browse around and get basic things done [04:15] it already kinda is [04:16] yeah, i'm liking html 1 [04:16] lol [04:16] 8) [04:16] but then again.. if you switch your user agent to mobile [04:16] its like old school internet kinda [04:17] hah [04:17] i just updated my machine and keyboard and mouse are not working... [04:17] that sounds rough [04:17] no x... they aren't working on the tty [04:17] what can i do [04:17] man, not even keyboard ? [04:17] fhobia: nothin [04:17] wow. [04:18] what do you do in a situation like that? look at the screen.. try to influence the computer with your mind? [04:18] what did you update? [04:18] ssh in is the only way :) [04:18] wescotte: all the patches from osuosl [04:18] osuosl? [04:18] oooh, good thinking wescotte [04:18] ssh ftw [04:19] "all the patches" [04:19] Action: byteframe needs new slackware to come, so he can be distracted from his toof pane. [04:19] functionoverform: that's what i thought... until i realised that i disabled networking [04:19] haha ohh wow. [04:20] zoran119: boot off slack CD/DVD or liveCD.. Mount your filesystem and enable networking again.. reboot and ssh in [04:20] or your fancy usb stick [04:20] that too [04:20] wescotte: already burining a cd [04:21] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.188.115.210) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [04:22] wescotte: what then... any idea what it might be [04:22] zoran119: no idea.. what kinda keyboard/mouse you have? [04:22] ps2/usb? [04:22] ariarat (ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) left ##slackware. [04:23] wireless? [04:23] wescotte: i did all the patches from osuosl apart from the kernel (29.6-3 i think) [04:23] wescotte: yeah... it has wireless [04:25] what is osuosl?? [04:25] they keyboard and mouse are wireless? [04:25] isn't it a mirror? [04:26] wescotte: oh... sorry... it's a laptop (i'm using it's keyboard and touchpad) [04:26] ah [04:26] wescotte: it's a slackware mirror (oregon state university open source lab) [04:27] slack 13? [04:27] yep [04:27] vehn_z1 (~vehn_z@h62-133-181-247.dyn.bashtel.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:28] looking at the patches.. I don't see anything that I think could have any affect on keyboard/mouse not working.. [04:28] side question: what do you mean "did all the patches" ? [04:28] you have a usb keyboard/mouse you can plug in to test with? [04:28] fhobia: I assume he's refering to everything in /patches [04:29] hope so 8) [04:31] jonsmith1982 (~jon@92.30.255.241) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:31] yeah... everyting in patches [04:31] so guys. [04:31] the only thing i can think of is that hald is not being started... [04:32] fhobia: i just started kde as a regular user.. and it looks like a tornado hit my desktop lol [04:32] a virtual one.. [04:32] yeah? lol [04:32] everything is moved, but nothing is missing [04:32] hahahaha.. like it was noticably upset about what happened. [04:32] functionoverform, icons scattered all over the place? [04:33] zoran119: you have an external keyboard you can try? [04:33] wescotte: it's working now [04:33] wescotte: don't know why [04:33] MLanden: yes lol [04:33] wescotte: i restarted 2 times before and it didn't work [04:33] wescotte: not it is [04:33] hasansahin (~hasan@81.214.204.51) joined ##slackware. [04:33] functionoverform, lol...dilemna from rez-changes...:D [04:34] hi slackers [04:34] its just funny, i wouldn't have ever expected my computer to look kind of ruffled after i break kde [04:35] kde 4.4.3 looks good on slack [04:35] like "dude.. whoa.. don't do that.. we got all scared.. firefox started running around" [04:35] wescotte: *now it is [04:37] it's not working now... this is strange... [04:38] hasansahin: much better than prior versions [04:39] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:39] fhobia, yea right [04:45] hasansahin (~hasan@81.214.204.51) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:50] i got ssh... but don't know how to fix it [04:50] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [04:51] slackytude (~slacky@e179055174.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [04:53] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:53] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [05:00] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) joined ##slackware. [05:02] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-157.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [05:05] rahul__ (~rahul@p54AA505A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:05] the keyboard always works if the laptop is on the charger when started... [05:05] if it is not on the charger... i get no keyboard [05:07] anyone able to use nvidia proprietary drivers with slackware current, if yes which version? [05:07] that is very very strange [05:07] rahul__: I have used them but I dunno what version.. I don't have slack on my desktop anymore so I can't check [05:08] gh0st (~gh0st@c-67-182-57-230.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:08] i am trying 195.30, 195.36.* and both do not work, wescotte , the screen goes black and no response to keyboard, i dont have logs either now [05:09] rahul__: what card is it btw? [05:09] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-185-76.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: L8R [05:09] 9100 m gs, working with 9600 m, a laptop, they were working on earlier stock kernel with 195.30 [05:10] fjunis (unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) left ##slackware. [05:11] zoran119: wild !!!! XD [05:12] gh0st (~gh0st@c-67-182-57-230.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:13] gh0st (~gh0st@c-67-182-57-230.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:13] rahul__: works with open source driver though? drive nvidia's driver under different OSes like windows? [05:13] err drive=try.. [05:14] i am using nv now, but compisiting sucks, have to turn it off :( have you used noveau, is it faster than nv and does its compositing work? [05:16] no.. I only ran slack on that machine for a short period and didn't do much with it [05:17] aww [05:17] okies i will hang around .... for some solution.. i am going to compile 2.6.34 now and try running it with the prop drivers [05:17] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:20] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-176-217.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:22] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-176-217.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [05:28] ...i can haz more b33r ? [05:45] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.23.142) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:47] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.29.90) joined ##slackware. [05:49] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:52] no [05:53] rahul__: I've tried nouveau, it's indeed faster than nv, at least for some hardware (hardware that is not a decade old), you'll need a 2.6.34 kernel and a slackware-current [05:53] though [05:54] |Emeau| (~kvirc@AMontsouris-158-1-27-220.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net [05:57] gh0st (~gh0st@c-67-182-57-230.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:01] the keyboard seems to always work if i boot into runlevel 4 [06:01] this stuff is weird man [06:02] isn't that X ? [06:03] yeah [06:03] zoran119: sounds like you have a very odd bug :) [06:03] wescotte: i wish i won lotto instead [06:04] how do i control screen brightness from command line? [06:05] fn + up/down arrow not work? [06:05] vehn_z1 (~vehn_z@h62-133-181-247.dyn.bashtel.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:05] ok adrien i shall try that once i have compiled 2.6.34 which is in progress [06:06] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:06] wescotte: it does... but it always boots with brighness to the max... i wanted to put someting into .xinitrc to reduce the brightness when i log in [06:06] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:06] zoran119: ah, no idea [06:06] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:06] can probably google that one easy enough though [06:09] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-176-217.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:14] rachael (~rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. 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[06:50] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.14.8) joined ##slackware. [06:50] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [06:50] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [06:51] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Client Quit [06:51] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [06:54] hi all. i need to make a bridge between a point-to-point connection (1 NIC <-> 1NAS) and a LAN (1 NIC<->1 ROUTER). these nics are on the same slackware machine [06:55] is there any guide to do that? i want to see the "internal nas" of the point-to-point segment from the LAN router [06:56] gaz- (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:03] if it's connected to a router, it's no longer a LAN [07:04] however, if both these NICs are in one box, you don't want to bridge them, you want to NAT them [07:04] or simply route them [07:04] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:04] add a route to the NAS IP on the router [07:05] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-67-251.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:06] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [07:06] here is the scheme: -----192.168.1.*----slackware-----192.168.0.1------ [07:07] *192.168.0.* [07:07] so i have to simpli modify the routing table on my slackware? [07:07] *simply [07:09] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:09] vaibhav (~7ab1b100@gateway/web/freenode/x-vpkkgoigwdcgophi) joined ##slackware. [07:10] which is the correct guide? bash-4.1$ find ./ -iname "*bridge*" ./Ethernet-Bridge-netfilter-HOWTO ./BRIDGE-STP-HOWTO ./Bridge ./Bridge+Firewall [07:12] why bridge? why not just turn on kernel routing instead ? [07:12] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:12] OclkdMan: set up IP forwarding and add a route [07:12] echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward [07:12] that shoud be all [07:12] (both networks are directly connected) [07:13] ok i'll try [07:13] on any machine desiring to reach the NAS< you have to add a route to that network to the slackware box [07:13] thx [07:13] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-176-217.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [07:13] ....looks simple. [07:13] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.14.8) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:13] it is [07:15] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[08:38] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:38] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:38] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [08:44] I'm making a program what is a good license for it? I want it open source and to be able to be added to linux and maybe one day if I go all the way, also into the kernel with no problems with the license, it uses the botan library for encryption and may use other libraries [08:45] if it has to be incorprated into the kernel someday, use the GPL. anything in the kernel must be GPL. [08:45] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:45] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [08:45] however, you can use any license you like up to that point, since you can always change the license for the version you're going to submit to the kernel [08:46] that would mean versions up to then would have a different license, but who cares ? [08:46] if "the botan library" is not yours, you are obviously severely restricted in what you can do with it [08:46] specifically, if its license does not fall under either the GPL or LGPL, no code using it can ever be included in the kernel [08:47] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:48] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:50] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[08:58] no way to know if that is a hardware- or driver-supported- function [08:59] adaptr: it worked on ubuntu [08:59] adaptr: so i'm thinking driver [08:59] indeed - so investigate its options [08:59] adaptr: i think i have the wrong driver for the card [09:00] adaptr: under ubuntu there were heaps of sliders in alsamixer... [09:00] adaptr: now i only have 2 [09:00] could be [09:00] it may be intel HDA, but with an AC97 driver [09:00] switch to the intel HDA driver instead [09:00] (intel HDA has loads of lines and options) [09:01] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:01] adaptr: lsmod shows snd_hda_intel [09:02] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [09:02] well [09:03] adaptr: so how do i switch the driver [09:03] to what ? you already have the right one [09:04] adaptr: is there any way to configure it to get my speakers to turn off when i plug the headphones in [09:06] I don't know, never run across that [09:09] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:09] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-176-141.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:09] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [09:10] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [09:10] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:11] vehn_z1 (~vehn_z@h62-133-182-237.dyn.bashtel.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [09:12] caixabox_ (~c9354157@gateway/web/freenode/x-kexuxbjajbolaltc) joined ##slackware. [09:13] Sarago (~chegney@97-116-91-65.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [09:13] qrik (~qrik@g229048154.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:14] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:14] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [09:18] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:19] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [09:21] Traveler7 (~traveler@81.180.19.233) joined ##slackware. [09:22] hello , i`m running an slackpkg update-all and i got a connection timed out on a patch at 35% [09:22] what can i do to retry ? [09:22] re-run it ? [09:23] re download everything ? [09:23] it won't [09:24] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:24] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [09:25] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.235.8) joined ##slackware. [09:25] so i pressed ctrl c and the task is stopped , now what . [09:26] try again [09:26] it says another instance of slackpkg is running . [09:27] then the PID file or lock file are still there. remove them. [09:27] ok [09:29] xendor (~xendor@host68-69-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:30] thanks it`s working again [09:30] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:30] xendor (xendor@host68-69-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware. [09:31] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:31] xendor (~xendor@host68-69-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:31] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [09:33] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.138) left irc: Quit: Bye [09:37] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:37] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-234-169.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:37] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [09:37] 2.6.24.5 [09:37] so that's what i'm running and there no /dev/{tcp,udp} nodes; what gives? [09:38] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [09:38] edthix (~ed@115.135.177.67) joined ##slackware. [09:39] i wanna do scripting on /dev/{tcp,udp}/host/port [09:39] as the shell manpages say [09:40] j0z (~UNIX@201.22.63.220.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:40] j0z (~UNIX@201.22.63.220.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [09:40] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [09:43] slackaholic (1000@189-93-177-213.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:43] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:44] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:44] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [09:49] SunTzu, because tcp and udp are network protocols - and host/port are not block devices [09:49] i know ken. [09:49] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:50] but the dev/log paths are real, or sposed to be [09:50] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [09:50] and i cant find mention of them in devices.txt either [09:50] alright, i deal with some crap; ttyl [09:52] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-234-169.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: [BX] The FDA says 5 servings of BitchX a day increases mental density. [09:53] yeah, you do that [09:54] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Quit: We were always meant to say goodbye... [09:58] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:58] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [10:00] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.217) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:06] anyone know why my system would lock up really hard when trying to run a kde session from kdm, but twm or openbox are fine? [10:07] I can't even switch to a text console or use ctrl-alt-backspace [10:07] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:07] ssh stops working even [10:07] so I can't ssh into the machine [10:08] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. 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[10:15] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Disconnected by services [10:15] Nick change: martin_hex -> martinhex [10:19] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:19] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [10:20] new in nvidia's driver: "renaming the libGLcore.so.VERSION file to libnvidia-glcore.so.VERSION," (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODI3Mw) [10:21] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:21] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [10:25] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-420970.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:25] slackaholic (1000@189-93-177-213.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: bye [10:26] so... does anyone know how to make slackware pick up my audio chip correctly? [10:26] it thinks that the chip is IDT ID 76d5 [10:27] and it doesn't work as it should (pluging in headphones does not mute the laptop speakers) [10:27] i then tried a ubuntu live cd [10:28] it picks up the chip as IDT 92HD81B1C5 and it all works fine [10:30] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:30] zoran119: which version? [10:30] is the hardware recent? [10:30] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [10:31] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:32] adrien: Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (IHC9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) [10:33] adrien: it's on a dell vostro 1320 [10:33] slackware 13.0 or current? [10:33] adrien: 6-8 months old [10:33] adrien: 13.0 [10:34] and what's actually your chip? [10:34] adrien: not really sure... how do i tell? [10:35] executablefile &>/dev/null & [10:35] adrien: i'm guessing the one ubuntu is reporting because it seems more functional [10:35] is that the way to run a command directing output to null and not have it show on the terminal window? [10:35] well, you could have looked while in ubuntu but maybe the docs of the laptop or maybe dmidecode [10:35] alsamixer under slackware shows one slider and under ubuntu like 5 or more [10:36] might be able to see on dell website... [10:36] I guess you'll need to run -current, your hardware must be too new for 13.0 [10:37] Sarago: define "show on the terminal window" [10:39] Azeotrope (JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left ##slackware. [10:39] adrien: that sounds like fun [10:39] adrien: 13.1 should be here in a few months... i can live with it until then [10:40] adrien: not have error output printed to the terminal window where the program was executed [10:41] zoran119: s/months/weeks or days/ actually [10:42] slackaholic (1000@189-93-177-213.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:42] you don't need the last '&' then [10:42] adrien: thought so... [10:43] slackaholic (1000@189-93-177-213.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:44] slackaholic (1000@189-93-177-213.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:44] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:44] slackaholic (1000@189-93-177-213.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [10:45] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) joined ##slackware. [10:45] i always thought that one user could log into an x session (fluxbox say) and then another user could switch to a different tty (ctrl+alt+f6 for example) and run startx [10:46] and then the could be switching back and forth (ctrl+alt+f2 and ctrl+alt+f6 for example) [10:47] but on this laptop when i go to the ctrl+alt+f2 and then back to ctrl+alt+f6 x has crashed with a message that 'master has been dropped' [10:47] is someting wrong or you shouldn't be able to do this? [10:48] 2/cle [10:48] oops sorry [10:48] sixx__ (~sixx@212.183.140.36) joined ##slackware. [10:48] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:48] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [10:48] never tried it that way, but you could be in fluxbox, and start up kde and flip back and forth with ctrl-alt-f7 and f8 [10:49] ang: start up kde from inside fluxbox? [10:49] yeah, but you have to start it on a seperate display [10:50] ang: how do i do that? [10:50] startx /home/ang/.xinitrc.kde -- :1 vt8 [10:52] ang: that's cool [10:52] ang: didn't know that... thanks [10:52] no problem :) [10:54] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:55] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:57] if I try to run the kde session from kdm, my system locks up hard, I can't switch to the console or ssh into the box [10:57] if I run twm or openbox from kdm it works fine [10:57] any ideas? [10:58] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:58] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [10:58] what I see after logging in is a graphic in the middle with a hard drive icon, some other icons and then a kde icon and that's it [10:58] it locks up then [10:59] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:59] lol you can play pacman on google's homepage [10:59] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [11:00] zoran119: you should be able to flip to ctrl-alt-f2 and do "startx /home/ang/.xinitrc.kde -- :1 vt8" as well [11:00] allend (~allend@CPE-121-214-46-239.lnse4.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [11:00] ang does only work in vt8 or can you use vt9-12 ? [11:01] sixx__: 9-12 as well [11:01] you cant run same windowmanager twice ? [11:02] ang: yeah... just tried it [11:02] hersonls (~hersonls@189.43.141.102) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:03] ang: that's pretty cool [11:04] Okay, once running openbox, i'm able to issue startkde and it starts [11:04] sixx__: you can [11:04] zoran119: :-) [11:04] but I get errors about not being able to run xine or some acondi something [11:05] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:05] that doesnt work for me ...i added -nolisten tcp in /usr/X11R6/bin/startx ...could that be the reason ? 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[11:16] zoran119: i don't have any with me, but i would look at the sample configs [11:16] i tried to get X working with chroot ang think...and couldnt think that must have been the problem [11:17] zoran119: 1. learn how key bindings work in xmonad [11:17] zoran119: 2. instead of saying launching firefox, try launching a script [11:17] zoran119: 3. put calls to xrandr in a script [11:17] zoran119: 4. profit [11:19] call xrandr from your .xinitrc? [11:20] i guess if you only want to do it one time [11:20] i have the linke fn + f8 button to rotate between the configs i want [11:21] well, that is my plan anyway :P i actually have a clickable dzen2 which switches configs [11:21] but i'm trying to change it to just be a key press [11:22] fhobia: cool... thanks [11:23] fhobia: i can clone the display to my hdtv... that's all i want [11:23] i can hook it up to xmonad's shortcuts... that's not a problem [11:25] slackaholic (1000@189-93-177-213.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[12:03] don't speak, he wants to trick someone into solving his problem [12:04] Traveler7 (~traveler@81.180.19.233) left irc: Quit: Java user signed off [12:04] Action: adaptr cannot be tricked, teh power of Dianetics protects me! [12:05] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:05] Rashid- (~Rashid__@adsl-90-3-195.mob.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:06] paniq (iiiiiiiii@89-212-225-234.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [12:07] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [12:09] officergris (~officergr@69.76.129.255) joined ##slackware. [12:09] hello everyone [12:09] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [12:11] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:18] sixx_ (~sixx@212.183.140.49) joined ##slackware. [12:19] sixx__ (~sixx@212.183.140.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:20] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:21] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [12:25] pireau (1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:25] officergris (~officergr@69.76.129.255) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:26] sixx_ (~sixx@212.183.140.49) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:27] ph|ber (~phiber@mail.synergies4u.com) joined ##slackware. [12:28] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [12:29] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:29] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-176-249.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [12:29] fadein (fadein@212.117.163.191) joined ##slackware. [12:31] guys any good network monitoring app? [12:31] v4nelle: netstat [12:31] what are you trying to monitor? [12:32] metrofox, i want to have web interface... :) [12:33] antiwire, i want stats from my webserver with web interface [12:33] yeah, now we're moving to the details.. :-P that's what I needed to hear [12:33] v4nelle: there are dozens. take your pick. [12:33] munin is incredibly easy to configure [12:33] cacti is more or less the standard [12:34] mrtg, ntop, many many more [12:35] manwichmakeameal (~tjones@97.86.29.42) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:35] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-176-141.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:35] erry (~erry@server.pokemonlake.com) joined ##slackware. [12:35] adaptr, thx....maybe i try munin :) [12:35] I have the sendmail binary but not the service so i can't send mail [12:35] mrtg is pretty cool, so is cacti [12:35] can you help me find a package of the service? [12:36] v4nelle: it has the advantage of being dead-simple to get up and running, and supports multiple nodes out of the box [12:36] adamk_, i have seen the demo of munin,but there isnt on slackbuilds [12:36] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:37] try sbo [12:38] hello [12:38] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:38] hi erry [12:38] i have a sendmail binary but apparently not the servic eis there apackage for it? [12:39] v4nelle: anyway, munin is perl, it's not distro-dependent [12:39] /etc/rc.d/rc.sendmail? [12:40] ok adaptr ,i go to try it [12:43] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:44] sixx (~sixx@212.183.140.20) joined ##slackware. [12:45] qrik (~qrik@g229048154.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:45] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:47] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:47] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [12:47] amine_ (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:47] anyone get a Microtex ScanMaster 4800 working with sane? [12:48] is it in the list of working scanners? [12:49] amine_ (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [12:49] no, but they forums say it works with 1.0.18's libsm3840 [12:50] so i got that and threw it in lib64/sane [12:52] sane-find-scanner finds it [12:52] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:53] erry (erry@server.pokemonlake.com) left ##slackware. [12:53] but i guess it just isn't supported [12:57] slaxboy (slackware@secure.sentabi.com) joined ##slackware. [12:58] Nick change: slaxboy -> Makaro [12:58] Makaro (slackware@secure.sentabi.com) left irc: Changing host [12:58] Makaro (slackware@unaffiliated/satpol) joined ##slackware. [12:58] Makaro (slackware@unaffiliated/satpol) left irc: Client Quit [12:59] Makaro (slackware@secure.sentabi.com) joined ##slackware. [12:59] Nick change: Makaro -> Macharo [13:01] ive used sane with a known working scanner and it was pretty easy to setup [13:01] skillZ (~skillz@modemcable092.144-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [13:03] im reading i need to go back to a much older version [13:03] Nick change: metrofox -> luigi [13:03] Nick change: luigi -> metrofox [13:05] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [13:10] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.235.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:10] k ill get it to work. [13:12] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:13] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:26] ok [13:26] I didn't know it is possible from commandline :) [13:26] thanks [13:26] you can use "source" too [13:26] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [13:27] briareus (~briareus@ip68-98-234-211.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:27] briareus (~briareus@ip68-98-234-211.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Changing host [13:27] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [13:27] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [13:30] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:31] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@ip174-64-14-107.br.br.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:33] When I'm installing packages with a doinst.sh script that put out a usr and install directory, should I do it in the root directory? [13:33] (I'm installing wine) [13:33] twoshot_: doesn't matter where you run it [13:34] if you want to test it, set PREFIX to /usr/local or some such, but normally, a slackware-compliant package will install where it should [13:34] well...it's not a slackbuild [13:36] antiwire, it doesn't work as I'd expect...I changed profile.d/script exporting env vars, but when I run script which calls another script via "exec", there is suddenly the old env variable value [13:36] sixx (~sixx@212.183.140.20) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:36] twoshot_: and yet it has a doinst :) [13:37] Is doinst a slackware thing. (I'm not as acquainted with linux as I should be0 [13:37] be) [13:37] I did click on the slackware link on the dl page :) [13:39] yes, yes it is [13:39] what format did the package come in ? [13:39] ukh (~ukh@brisbane.svansen.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:40] did you simply try "installpkg package-name-without-version-or-extension" ? [13:40] It was a txz file [13:40] that is an official slackware package [13:40] installpkg name [13:40] I extracted the txz file and it output a usr and an install dir [13:40] done [13:40] that's stupid [13:40] haha [13:40] but please, keep on ignoring what I say [13:40] haha I'm trying to listen [13:41] k I'll just run installpkg and see how it goes [13:42] wow that was easy [13:42] thanks [13:42] guess I've installed some packages wrong. *facepalm* [13:43] So to uninstall... is there a flag I pass to installpkg? [13:43] aaarnt (arnt@host-171.249.188.200.fns.freefone.com.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:43] nvm I found removepkg :) [13:44] o.O;;; [13:47] antiwire, I seem to be unabe to export env variable for interactive shell [13:48] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-24.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:49] if I export it, it doesn't outlast exec of another shell process [13:50] I hope it isn't caused by ssh [13:50] sesison [13:51] "outlast" ? [13:51] export FOO="foo" is valid in that context and any forks or subshells spawned from it. [13:52] it is never available outside that context [13:52] I can't seem to run wine.... I try to run the wineserver and it tells me there's no such file or directory [13:52] tewmten: try a bit less vague [13:52] bah [13:52] Yet I'm running ls and whereis and it exists [13:53] Oh I guess it's not finding a file it needs to run it... over to google :/ [13:54] I logged via ssh, exported a variable, made a script (where I'm exporting the variable again btw) the there is exec ./anotherScript.sh and there is the previous value of the env variable [13:54] I don't know what is the reason [13:54] twoshot_: on slackware64 ? [13:54] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:54] *then there is exec ... [13:54] niels_horn, Yes [13:55] twoshot_: multilib? [13:55] explain multilib please :/ [13:55] I haven't done linux for too long. [13:55] eh, if you don't know what multilib is, you don't have it I guess :) [13:55] guess I don't haha [13:55] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-158-1-27-220.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:56] multilib is when you have both the 64 & 32 bits libraries installed [13:56] Oh I only have 32 bit libraries for wine [13:56] wine needs the 32-bits libs from alienBOB [13:56] ... do I google alienBOB? [13:56] On slackware64 that is [13:57] You can go directly to his site... just a second... [13:57] k [13:57] fadein (fadein@212.117.163.191) got netsplit. [13:57] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ [13:58] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib has better documentation [13:58] alienBOB: thanks :) [13:58] thanks:) [13:58] twoshot_: that's how it works: just mention his name and he appears. No Google needed ;) [13:59] :D [13:59] unfortunately I have to go to a partyu ] [13:59] adaptr, subshell spawned by exec is in that context or not :) ? [13:59] party* [13:59] yes I would rather finish this :P [14:00] sloin: anything that shell does is in the context [14:01] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [14:02] Nick change: twoshot_ -> twoshot_away [14:02] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:02] twoshot_away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [14:03] fadein (fadein@212.117.163.191) got lost in the net-split. [14:03] slackytude (~slacky@e179055174.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:03] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@ip174-64-14-107.br.br.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:03] guess I won't be doing that again [14:03] thats a relief [14:03] that message is so long [14:03] fadein (fadein@212.117.163.191) joined ##slackware. [14:03] adaptr, just take a look :-) http://pastebin.com/Hi9tUktP [14:03] export CATALINA_HOME=/opt/apache-tomcat-6.0.26 [14:03] so... what happens if I manually renick to _away ? [14:03] Cannot find /opt/aaa/apache-tomcat-6.0.20/bin/setclasspath.sh [14:04] /opt/aaa/apache-tomcat-6.0.20 is the previous value, before exporting [14:04] sloin: catalina/tomcat/jboss is a huge gurgling mess... good luck, in general [14:04] adaptr: kickban [14:04] this doesn't have anything to tomcat [14:04] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:04] this is pure shell thing [14:05] *to do with [14:05] adrien: seems somehow unfair :) [14:05] nope [14:05] sloin: you think so ? do you KNOW how many shell redirections a simple tomcat start goes through ? [14:05] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:06] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-67-251.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:08] adaptr, that's why I run /etc/profile [14:08] but it didn't help [14:08] sloin: you can take a look at the SlackBuild for tomcat for ideas on how to tackle this issue maybe [14:09] it's not suitable for a jboss setup though if you wanna go that route [14:09] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [14:09] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [14:10] massively off topic, but like that matters :) .. anyone have a suggestion for bittorrent software on winxp? the gf wants it installed, but refuses to go the linux route [14:10] (I don't know if catalina always means jboss, but I usually see them together) [14:10] I'm using tomcat more than 4 years....this setup works on other machine, I just copied it over....but changed $CATALINA_HOME, run /etc/profile for it to be changed for every session/shell [14:10] alphageek: utorrent. accept no substitute [14:10] ridiculously small (500K), superflexible, supports everything, built-in browser with torrent searches and pickup [14:11] adaptr: I mostly associate catalina with tomcat. But since jboss uses tomcat that would make sense [14:11] but the original $CATALINA_HOME is still being used...I can't restart the machine [14:11] doesn't need absurd crap like java (azureus anyone?) [14:11] Action: Macharo is now away: root[at]localhost [14:11] pprkut: we run a few apps at work. I really don't know that much about what consists of what, except where ti concerns troubleshooting what the devs screwed up :) [14:11] adaptr: so mote it be [14:12] yeah, mote [14:12] adaptr: I tried to make a sane install of jboss once. Long story short... I failed [14:12] I've seen references to utorrent in various places, but I don't do windows so I can't test it [14:12] it will run just fine on wine [14:12] it has no dependencies other than a writable FS and working network [14:13] Rashid-- (~Rashid__@adsl-90-3-195.mob.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:13] this is only shell thing...each new login shell has the new env variable...how is it possible, that after the scripts forks, there is the old ? :-) I've never seen that [14:14] sloin: are you sure it's not hardcoded somewhere in the code? [14:14] it's hard to tell, with the utter mess that is tomcat [14:14] but yeah.. I suggest you trawl through the various xml configs strewn around [14:15] It's not hardcoded anywhere in a fresh, bare tomcat, but I have no idea what else you built around it [14:15] pprkut, definitely [14:15] I forget what catalina is a framework for, but it's quite involved [14:16] Rashid_ (~Rashid__@adsl-90-3-195.mob.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:16] j2ee [14:16] ? [14:16] I grepped it, no "aaa" string at all [14:16] fhobia: jboss would be j2ee [14:16] tomcat is less [14:17] ok [14:17] i'm going to reboot it, it was enough [14:17] anyway, gotta go. Good luck! [14:18] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [14:22] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:22] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] The fact that a friend of mine wont allow me to set up Arch or Slackware on his server is driving me crazy. Getting help on debians package management issues is like stealing candy from a baby then finding out it's better of giving it back anyways. [14:23] off* [14:24] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [14:26] fatalnix: so go get a cheap vps :) [14:26] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Client Quit [14:26] haha [14:27] ? [14:27] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [14:27] I have my own servers. [14:27] I'm babysitting his ubuntu server. [14:28] As much as most of linux is all the same Ubuntu drives me up the wall the most. [14:28] I'm almost just about to say no to him placing it in my DC. [14:28] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [14:29] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [14:29] ubuntu is terrible. [14:30] I know. I told him if it had arch on it it would be much better for Xen [14:30] that's what we're setting up, he's like well debian is lightweight I can run it on 200 mb of ram! [14:30] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-24.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:30] which is a lot for a scratch server., [14:30] I hate debian fanboys. [14:30] xsamurai (~munki@pool-108-13-142-150.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:30] use the distro best suited for the task. Period. [14:31] exactly [14:31] speaking of xen, have any of you ever used slackware as the dom0? [14:31] I told him arch has a pretty easy setup for xen and is by default very lightweight anyways. Slackware would do fine but I'll probably be a lot longer setting it up [14:32] No, I have never been successful with Xen in slackware, but I only tried once. [14:32] ditto [14:32] if I ever do I would be pretty glad [14:32] I know its definately possible. [14:32] i have a few slackware domUs, but i could never get it working as the dom0 [14:34] I could probably do it if I understood it enough. Xen is a little complex [14:34] but its supposed to be very nice [14:35] ubuntu lucid 10.04 has ubuntu-xen-server packages but they removed a dependency in that version, xen-tools. I'm almost beginning to think that they have no idea what they are doing. [14:36] Is anyone doing an LTSP implementation for slackware? [14:36] if its broken, flag it as broken or something and warn them from installing the package instead of breaking it? [14:36] seems easiest to just go with centos as the dom0 [14:36] I was going to work on an LTSP implementation but I have a lot of projects [14:36] and its been a while since I've made one [14:36] i played with it a while back [14:36] made any ltsp setup* [14:37] ang: have you looked at the Arch wiki for making a dom0? [14:37] its so easy [14:37] and supports Xen 4 [14:37] i've never used arch [14:38] I'm running Arch right now. My laptop runs Slackware. [14:38] not even vaguely familiar with it actually [14:38] Arch is extremely lightweight. [14:38] i've always used slackware for my own stuff [14:38] I have Slackware on my servers [14:39] fatalnix: they definitely have no idea what they're doing. [14:39] the exception is my router/firewall is openbsd [14:39] my desktop is just a CLI development station [14:39] I'm liking my 22" CRT monitor in CLI haha [14:40] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@ip174-64-14-107.br.br.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:40] fatalnix: take the various shitty packages debian and ubuntu produces, and you'll see that they have no idea at all [14:40] fatalnix: apache httpd, postfix, mysql, and many more. [14:42] you know in 1996 Slackware was the most popular distro if I recall, and isn't Debian only a few months younger than Slackware? [14:42] I think it was 60% of Linux users were running Slackware. [14:43] Then someone came into the world thinking that computers should be easy for people. [14:43] fatalnix: well, ubuntu is fine for new users, for a desktop. [14:44] yeah... [14:44] fatalnix: The Debian project is about a year younger than Slackware. They didn't get their first release out until 1995, though. [14:44] fatalnix: if they can use it for years, and perhaps learn a bit about linux, I don't care. [14:46] I don't mind having a dumb terminal for workers / students etc so they can get things done quickly and easily, but for someone who is the main operator of a computer I would expect that they at least know how it really works lol. [14:46] Not sure if that makes any sense. [14:46] the only skill you needed for slackware was the ability to read the docs [14:47] True for just about anything [14:47] in most cases, you had the docs or the source to figure things out from [14:47] and theres a whole directory of how-to that most newbies don't even know exists [14:48] Skywise: I still believe many folks should not be using a computer, let alone windows or linux. [14:48] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [14:48] i wonder what it would take to make them all html and put the whole thing together as a website [14:48] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [14:49] When I installed Arch on this desktop, I looked around, researched a bit about the documentation of Arch, noticed it was well done, had some nice pointers and was easily available, I've set up most of Arch just from looking at the docs, doing things differently than they ask sometimes just because I understand the concept behind most of the documents and want something done a specific way, etc, but using a computer shoul [14:49] thumbs, some people shouldn't be using anything more sophsticated then an electric can opener [14:49] like I said, back to dumb terminals and easy interfaces I say for work and school related, if someone wants a PC they should know how to run it. [14:50] hello everyone [14:50] i have a friend who used to say that people should need a license to use a computer :) [14:50] i think most people lack the vocabulary to make sense of the documentation [14:50] Skywise: yup [14:50] ang: I agree [14:50] they should have a license to go on the web thats for sure [14:50] computers were meant to get the job done faster. Not for everyone to be able to use only knowing which way your basebal cap fits [14:50] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [14:51] yeah ivbe seen someones license statement [14:51] exit [14:51] the only problem is that there is no central authority on the internet [14:51] he said something like idiots should have a license to be able to use a computer, and that at that time he should be the only one not required to have a license [14:52] lol [14:52] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:52] and i don't think there should be [14:52] Fuck this. Lets go back to ArpaNET [14:52] .... [14:52] :D [14:52] well thats just being a sociopath [14:52] im sorry but please save the nazi mentality for outside the net [14:52] lol [14:53] thing is here in the us they are pushing to put control of the internet in isp's hands [14:53] i have some scrolling problem in xpdf. it is not smooth as it was before, every time i scroll it displays a watch instead of a pointer and it has little idles. on 13.0v was perfect [14:53] i think the net should be limited to competent adults with portals for kids and aol for everyone else [14:54] this would have been fine years ago. this is very bad now. everyone wants the internet simpler and safer. we will either have to move to get the right isp. or there wont be any choice but to obey their rules [14:54] the government is doing fine in the us for the internet. its about the only thing they aren't really f***ing up [14:54] i have this problem on both of my computers [14:54] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet."). [14:54] the internet is a peerage [14:55] when one peer decides to act on its own, they're simply routed around as if they were damage [14:55] I don't want proprietary internet. [14:55] i w ant the net to be the wild west [14:55] uhm, while the west is out, can someone help me? :) [14:55] hehe [14:56] i could, but i don't know anything about it [14:56] Poupit: I'm thinking [14:56] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] nannes (~nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [14:56] No one is ignoring you don't worry lol [14:56] maybe it was using hardware acceleration before [14:56] i don't even like pdfs [14:57] but you use them [14:57] I was thinking hardware accel but I remember xpdf loads the next page when you scroll, right so... [14:57] they're vectors for malware and malicous links [14:57] any nice tutorial for a autopartition script? [14:57] skywise: welcome to the internet. [14:57] *an [14:57] oh i been here already [14:57] btw, hi all [14:57] get: partitioning in my opinion should never be automaticly done. [14:58] pupit: what version of slack and xpdf ? [14:58] it is like a sacred ritual, and must be performed acurately and according to your tastes. [14:58] xsamurai: slack is 13.1 rc2 and xpdf is... [14:58] 3.02 [14:58] get: do it yourself, no such tool in slackware [14:59] for example, I often keep root, boot and swap seperate from LVM and all the rest into LVM. I use seperate var tmp and usr partitions and after installation place /home insise of /usr/ making a symlink /home to /usr/home so that when I grow /usr it also grows /home. [14:59] That's just my preference, We welcome yours. [14:59] :) [14:59] pupit: im on the same setup, you might be missing fonts [14:59] wow [14:59] fatalnix, yes, i know, but i want to make a script what lists the avaiable disks, the space and calculates in order if the user select 1 2 3 4 or more partitions [15:00] xsamurai: scrolling is fine there? [15:00] pupit: yep [15:00] get: possible but everyone wants something different [15:00] wait did slackware release a new version? [15:00] xsamurai: ill try some diff pdfs :) [15:00] pupit: are you using a custom font? [15:00] no, but 13.1 rc2 is out [15:01] ic. [15:01] I cant upgrade unfortunately [15:01] my laptop is ooo [15:01] xsamurai: not sure what you mean, i just fire up my pdf document [15:01] power supply blew [15:01] xsamurai: no font hassle yet [15:01] pupit: open the pdf from the shell and see if it has any complains [15:01] I'm thinking of downgrading to 12.1 anyways [15:01] xsamurai: right away [15:01] pupit: any luck with a different pdf doc ? [15:02] xsamurai: checking it [15:02] fatalnix: why ? [15:03] Well actually, now I don't have to, because I finally got radeonhd working -alright-. It was because of fglrx [15:03] just try saying that name 3 times fast [15:03] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Client exiting [15:03] lets not, you'll get kicked [15:03] by slackboy I believe [15:04] someone like that [15:04] he's off on the weekends [15:04] ah [15:04] gets drunk and sleep in the barn all day [15:05] speaking of bots, I should work on my irc bot again, I lost the latest revisions of the source code [15:05] it had plugin support and everything, done with client TCP objects [15:06] I don't run bots in here though. I am very sure that the fellow guys in here wouldn't appreciate it [15:06] Action: Macharo is now away: root[at]localhost [15:06] Macharo: turn that off. [15:07] xsamurai: no errors in konsole, diff. doc., same problem. [15:07] i'll try from KDE, who knows... [15:07] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:07] KDE?! [15:08] since when did slackware come with KDE? XD [15:08] since... um.. now ? [15:09] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [15:09] same in KDE [15:10] fortune of the day: If you're right 90% of the time, why quibble about the remaining 3%? [15:10] haha [15:11] mcury (~mcury@189.24.136.105) joined ##slackware. [15:12] ... [15:13] on noobfarm theres this thing about someone saying something like, "You know 60% of girls are dumb?" and this girl says "I'm the other 13%" [15:13] I think it was noobfarm at least [15:15] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-233.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:15] fatalnix, since version 10.2 if i remember well, was where PV decided to exclude gnome from the tree [15:19] fatalnix: KDE was included in slackware 8.0 (by the looks of it) :P [15:20] and will be removed in 14.0 :) [15:21] is there a way to run windows but share a reiserfs partition via samba or something else? [15:21] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [15:21] sahko: Well with the inclusion of KDE SC one could argue that KDE was removed in 13.1 ;) [15:22] KDE SC ? [15:22] yeah :3 [15:23] fhobia: that's what it is called these days. [15:23] we should get rid of kde and kdei [15:23] based on? [15:23] Sure, dream on [15:23] i dont know who's idea is the semantic desktop. i read it has to do something with mandriva. no wonder they're selling or going bankrupt [15:23] to make the life easier for PV ! [15:23] 8) [15:24] "SC" is not starcraft or star control is it ? [15:24] fhobia: "software compilation" [15:24] oh [15:25] and while I don't use KDE myself, I disagree with having to remove it. (and as alienBOB basically said: {fat,slim} chance" ;) [15:26] it just seems like other distros really concentrate on making the experience of de like kde really smooth [15:26] but slackware is more manual so maybe it shouldn't be focusing on that [15:27] :3 also seem like community is more up to date on the kde stuff than PV [15:27] oh? [15:27] what is it Nazi Saturday [15:27] care to prove that? [15:27] nope, i'm all guessing! [15:27] xsamurai: no, this is Mao Saturday [15:27] fhobia: you're talking out of your ass now [15:27] lol, ok, i'm going to go now then [15:27] And fhobia did you ever actually run KDE in slackware? [15:27] i dont think what she says makes any sense [15:28] fhobia: KDE (as in upstream) has 4.4.3 .. which is also in -current. [15:28] i ran 3.5 and 4.2 [15:28] So, what would be a "smooth experience" then for KDE? [15:28] i didn't succeed with 4.2 much [15:28] "It's better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool, then to open it and remove all doubt" [15:29] yeah, thats what i'm thinking BP{k} [15:29] lol [15:30] i dont like or use kde but I wouldnt suggest removing from slackware [15:30] Nick0 (~Nick0@ip-192-193-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [15:30] fhobia is having some KDE-phobia :) [15:31] does anyone know a decent (simple) gtk+2 based audio mplayer which doesnt use gstreamer? (not audacious) [15:31] s/mplayer/player [15:32] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:34] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [15:35] mcury (~mcury@189.24.136.105) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:36] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [15:37] Neko (s_eraph@141.30.28.157) joined ##slackware. [15:39] electrical (~electrica@87.212.249.241) joined ##slackware. [15:39] quit [15:39] Neko (s_eraph@141.30.28.157) left ##slackware. [15:40] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:40] alphad64 (~alphad64@196.201.85.218) joined ##slackware. [15:42] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.43.97) joined ##slackware. [15:42] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:43] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-68.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [15:43] the shows on cartoom network are starting to get a bit explicit and crazy for children [15:44] like.. southpark you mean ? [15:44] when was that ever not explicit ? [15:44] first of all , adventure time has to go. that is like watching tv stoned. [15:46] cheap for the price, then [15:46] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-233.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [15:48] demoralization of society is a common practice amongst the entertainment industry [15:48] Action: Macharo is now away: brb [15:49] dude is unclear on the concept and i think needs a boot to think about it [15:50] Macharo: turn the bloody script off, idiot. [15:51] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:53] sec [15:54] I cant version him [15:54] weird [15:55] he's blocking it. [15:55] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:55] ah [15:55] yeah I just saw, plus I was typing it out backwards [15:56] if he does it again, just kick him explaining why not to use away like that [15:56] the ops are away. [15:56] ah [15:56] xsamurai (~munki@pool-108-13-142-150.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:57] albeit alienbob was here a minute ago. [15:57] you're not an op by now Thumbs? [15:57] :D [15:57] fatalnix: not here. [15:57] theres a card tournament going dosnstairs in the livingroom / dining room / game room [15:58] alienBOB: would you kindly tell Macharo to turn off his away script, please? [16:02] Nick change: Nick0 -> Nicce [16:02] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [16:03] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:05] I have a random question, do you think they ever made serial to vga adapters? [16:05] I have two vga inputs on my monitor and a switch to switch between them. [16:06] yes. I have such a cable here. [16:06] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [16:06] Hello. [16:06] thats cool [16:06] Nick change: riza -> rizabawtie [16:07] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:07] :( [16:07] Did I just kill a conversation? [16:08] probably not [16:08] I am pretty random [16:08] ask thumbs or anyone. [16:09] Hm.. [16:12] Ah I can't wait for the next version. [16:12] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:12] greetings and salutations [16:12] don't ask me. [16:13] who want to practice wing chun ?! ^^ [16:13] x-ip, I know how to fight. [16:13] Action: rizabawtie goes into a sexy pose. [16:13] Booya, you lost. [16:13] but wing chun is more an art that a fight practice :S [16:13] .:) [16:15] kR15 (~kR15@aolclient-67-9-195-45.aol.hot.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:17] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:17] Ah so much work. [16:18] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [16:19] x-ip: nasty fight practice [16:20] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.174.220.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:20] pupit, you mean wing chun ? [16:20] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [16:20] x-ip: yeah [16:20] So ah, are you guys good at C programming? [16:21] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: Bang Bang!!!! [16:21] DonWhorf (1000@c-68-56-234-169.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:21] me no rizabawtie [16:21] pupit, why ? [16:21] :'( [16:21] would someone tell me the node nums for dev/{tcp,udp}? [16:21] i'm a python dev and i'm a bad programmer xD (fighting almost a day with a bug >.<') [16:22] x-ip take it one at a time. [16:22] raid0 is like hardware lvm right? [16:22] i'm taking one DonWhorf xD [16:22] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: Quit: .. [16:23] x-ip: i went on the wing chun with my friends for a while. had a friend who was laughing at me because he was a big huge boxer. i showed him in a few easy steps how to break a guys knee, and he went berserk. [16:23] x-ip wth do you write if you crappy coder? :) [16:23] but always exists the probability that the machine is wrong and not me :) [16:23] yea, you tell yourself that! :) [16:23] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:23] hehehe [16:23] x-ip every hear of the RS-232 bug? [16:23] google it [16:23] ever [16:23] pupit, xDDDD nice [16:24] DonWhorf, nop, searching ... [16:28] only found this DonWhorf If bit 7 is active but bit 6 is not active then the UART has it's buffers enabled but are unusable [16:29] lol; well, it was a hw bug [16:29] crossed pins [16:29] Who are you guys? I never saw you in here. [16:29] Azeotrope incognito here [16:30] Azeotrope: there are tons of new folks that join this channel every day [16:30] i aint knew [16:30] and i aint gnu [16:30] and i aint nuveau [16:30] Coming in here and acting like they are here since the dawn of IRC [16:30] i come back every 9 months (estimate) xD [16:30] heh [16:30] Azeotrope lol, we are [16:30] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [16:30] eclectist (~weechat@h105.248.17.98.static.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] how come that after slackpkg remove, ona cannot do slacpkg install ? from remote repository [16:31] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:31] Azeotrope didja see my query above? [16:31] yes yes [16:31] &&? [16:32] well, what could I say? [16:32] ls-l output? [16:32] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:32] what??? [16:32] it says vim-7.2.416-i486-1.txz: Not found [16:32] show me the ls-l output [16:32] but exactly that package is there [16:33] sloin try without the version.xz part of name [16:33] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:34] i see [16:34] DonWhorf (1000@c-68-56-234-169.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [16:34] it was because I tried to upgrade vim from current [16:35] tulimaq (~tulimaq@84-50-128-199-dsl.rkv.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [16:35] it's a quirk. [16:35] then I removed it [16:35] switched to 13.0 [16:35] and no it still forces me to the current version [16:35] *now [16:36] sloin: vim /etc/slackpkg/slackpkg.conf [16:36] what slackware version would be best suitable for a 1.3 GHZ, 256 RAM computer with no HDD? [16:36] Azeotrope: 13.0 is fine. [16:36] thumbs, what do I search [16:37] ok. thanks [16:37] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:38] eclectist (~weechat@h105.248.17.98.static.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.2.5 [16:39] thumbs, in pkglist there is vim-7.2.416-i486-1.txz [16:39] but on the remote repository there is vim-7.2.245-i486-1.txt [16:40] sloin: grep -v '^#' /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [16:40] Azalyn, dont use kde :P [16:41] s/ Azalyn / Azeotrope [16:41] http://ftp.slackware.cz/slackware/slackware-13.0/ with vim-7.2.245-i486-1.txt [16:42] KDE 4.4.3 in Slackware 13.1?? [16:42] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:43] Major milestone! [16:43] it forces me the version of vim from pgklist, which is not available in the remote repo [16:43] tulimaq (~tulimaq@84-50-128-199-dsl.rkv.estpak.ee) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:43] update didn't help...doesn't matter... [16:43] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:44] sloin: the ftp site you gave has the txz package [16:44] x3r0x (x3r0x@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [16:44] did you run "slackpkg update" first ? [16:44] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:44] but slackpgk install forces me to this version vim-7.2.416-i486-1.tx [16:44] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:45] which is not there [16:45] interestingly enough I have 7.2.416 and see 7.2.245 on the osuosl mirror. [16:45] version 426 is current not 13.0 [16:45] 416 [16:46] uhm .. yeah. [16:46] I run -current *shit* .. totally forgot I upgraded :D [16:46] obviously my body is out of beer. [16:46] Action: thumbs gives BP{k} a beer [16:46] drink more it's the weekend [16:46] Action: andarius administers the beer-V [16:47] \o/ [16:48] what was that website with slackware updates? [16:49] you mean patches? [16:49] Azeotrope: uhm..a mirror? [16:49] slackware doesn't have updates really.. it's really security patches.. slackware.com will have mirrors to various places to obtain them [16:50] patches yea [16:50] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [16:51] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:51] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [16:53] Azeotrope: on your slackware mirror of choice, as straterra pointed out? [16:53] \O/ [16:53] :o [16:54] :p [16:56] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-420970.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [16:56] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-420970.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:57] installpkg *.txz right? [16:58] no [16:58] but? [16:58] pkgtools has upgradepkg, installpkg, and removepkg. you think installpkg is proper for upgrading packages? :) [16:58] i did that so [16:59] I hope you didn't use installpkg *.txz [16:59] I did... [16:59] then why did you ask if it was right? [16:59] and as far as I remeber i did it so the last time [17:00] upgradepkg only runs installpkg - removepkg - installpkg anyway [17:00] veritos (~veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:00] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [17:00] you just installed the patches on top of the old packages [17:01] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-68.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:01] thrice`: system failure? [17:01] I don't understand the concept. Aren't these NEW packages, not just upgrades? [17:02] did you look? [17:02] Azeotrope run a ls in /var/log/packages I think you'll find dups with different version numbers on the end [17:03] gg [17:03] I would personally go through and remove the double entries / packages you just clobbered, and reinstall the things from patches/ [17:03] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [17:03] slackaholic (1000@189-93-177-213.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:03] nothing that can't be easily fixed, however. [17:03] eg, removepkg the double entries in /var/log/packages, and then upgradepkg --install-new (or upgradepkg --reinstall) [17:04] upgradepkg --install-new is safer. [17:04] in most cases. [17:04] sky_ (~sky@189.115.72.216) joined ##slackware. [17:04] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-68.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] sky_ (sky@189.115.72.216) left ##slackware. [17:04] well, true, I have dups [17:05] which means you overwrite parts of packages, and left behind other parts [17:05] thankfully, the /var/log/packages/ entries can save you :) [17:05] hytee (~fffeop@77.49.149.123.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:05] so, now I'll delete the oldes ones in /var/log/packages/? [17:06] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:06] I'm creating a screen session with: $ screen -A -m -d -S hello ./hello.sh can I rename it? I tried renaming the socket file in ~/.screen/ but it crashed. [17:06] for example, if you have two entries of pidgin, /var/log/packages/pidgin-2.6.6-blablah and /var/log/packages/pidgin-2.7.0-blahblah, removepkg both of them, and upgradepkg --install-new patches/pidgin*.txz [17:06] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-157.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:07] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [17:08] Nicce (~Nick0@ip-192-193-241-92.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving! [17:08] I have 4 entries of pidgin, for example [17:08] dont try to run need for speed with wine [17:08] Azeotrope: haha [17:08] bad habit of installpkg *.txz [17:09] Azeotrope, ok, that's awful. learn to use slackpkg after you fix things :) [17:09] pupit, why is that? does it not work? [17:09] Azeotrope easy solution, symlink installpkg to upgradepkg :P [17:09] thrice`: but fixing is just as easy as you told? [17:09] Action: andarius slaps hytee [17:09] :( [17:09] Azeotrope: yes, yes yes yes yes [17:09] cool [17:09] simpler than apt-get remove [17:10] or perhaps: removepkg /var/log/packages/pidgin-* [17:10] kR15: i have not adjusted wine, and yes, it does not work >nfs carbon [17:10] could also be: removepkg pidgin-* [17:10] :( [17:10] pupit you need to try race driver grid ;-) [17:10] hytee: one by one :) [17:10] i think removepkg has a bug that only removes a single version at a time [17:11] could be, although I don't remember ever meeting this bug [17:11] did you ever do what azeotrope did though? [17:12] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:12] Can't I just remove the oldest entries? [17:12] Azeotrope: no. [17:12] Azeotrope: remove them all, install the latest. [17:13] ok [17:13] WildWizard no, but I have uninstalled packages with wildcards [17:13] thank you [17:13] Azeotrope: you can use pkgtool to see the pidgins, or /var/log/packages [17:14] v4nelle (~van@79.107.202.55) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:14] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:15] WildWizard: How..is that a bug? [17:16] 'removepkg pidgin' with what azeotrope has now will remove one only of the version he has installed and leave the rest [17:16] Yeah.. [17:16] Again, how is that a bug? [17:16] That's DESIRED behavior [17:16] For example irssi it's just one entry. And I had it before and did an installpkg on it too [17:17] Azeotrope: thats why you use upgradepkg --install-new [17:19] Nikon (~mythx@fl-67-232-250-203.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [17:19] does anyone know of good editors for slackware ? [17:19] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) joined ##slackware. [17:19] vim [17:19] ie not kwrite [17:19] ed [17:19] jed [17:20] failure to understand how things work or to use them correctly does not mean it has a bug when things go wrong [17:20] vi [17:20] emacs... [17:20] BURN THE WITCH [17:20] you forgot pico [17:20] only gui please [17:20] i need something like gedit [17:20] gvim [17:20] vim [17:20] mcedit [17:20] Nikon: gvim [17:21] hehe [17:21] does it support unicode chars ? [17:21] can somebody tell me why slackpkg is trying to upgrade packages even if there is a newer version already installed? Installed manually cairo-1.9.6 and he wants to update it with cairo-1.8.8. There are more cases like this... [17:21] and copy/paste [17:21] Srbo: it doesn't check version [17:21] Nikon: yes it does [17:21] well.. there are better alternatives if you want to edit unicode [17:21] If the version is DIFFERENT, it'll do an upgrade [17:22] Srbo: slackpkg assumes the one in the tree is the preffered. if that is not the case blacklistthe package [17:22] pkgtools intentionally doesn't try to determine if a version is newer [17:22] mako-sama: like ? [17:22] Srbo: it even upgrades if $TAG var is different [17:23] hm... ok, thats confusing. Thanks for the help :) [17:23] Srbo: why is it confusing? =) [17:23] so I have to remember everytime to blacklist a package if I installed it by hand and then I have to try to remember some time after to undo the blacklisting if there's a newer version... [17:24] yeah it's true... that's what I did with libgpod [17:24] Error: there is no installed package named mozilla-firefox-3.6.3-x86_64-1_slack13.0. [17:24] i removepkf mozilla* [17:24] two firefoxes and two thunderbirds [17:24] Then do removepkg mozilla-firefox [17:24] Nikon: the best alternative that comes by default with slackware is kwrite [17:24] mako-sama: he said he doesn't like it [17:25] i know [17:25] kwrite doesnt support unicode [17:25] Srbo: yes, you need to blacklist a package if you deviate from the official tree. [17:25] ?? ? ?? ??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??????? ?? is what shows up [17:25] straterra: that error appears when I do upgrade --install-new [17:26] ok, thanks andarius metrofox :) [17:26] skype crashes in current. [17:26] the very one from sbo [17:26] Azeotrope: what? [17:26] pupit: what version of skype? [17:27] skype 2.0.0.72 [17:27] pupit: did you get/install it from SBo? [17:27] metrofox: sure [17:27] straterra: i did a removepkg mozilla* in my /var/log/packages. then i tried to upgrade --install-new pathes/mozilla* [17:28] use the 2.1beta [17:28] and I got Error: there is no installed package named mozilla-thunderbird-2.0.0.24-x86_64-1. [17:28] did you verify ALL of the mozilla packages were removed? [17:28] Nikon: I think I remember using kwrite with unicode files before... mixed eng/jap/arabic text [17:28] And you need to do patches/mozilla*.t?z [17:28] Azeotrope: ls /var/log/packages | grep mozilla [17:28] metrofox: run from cli, after typing a word to friend & hit enter it crushes. in cli says just: Aborted. [17:28] straterra: yes [17:28] Nikon: that might've been yudit though... which is btw, an excellent unicode editor :P [17:28] metrofox: nothing [17:28] Azeotrope: then you removed all of them [17:29] If you synced the whole patches tree, you need to specify which file extension [17:29] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:29] Hence the t?z [17:29] installpg mozilla* worked [17:29] ... [17:29] pupit: what happens if you run it from the terminal? Does it tell anything else? [17:29] how do I know when to use installpkg or upgrade [17:29] installpg isn't a part of Slackware [17:29] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:29] You can substitute installpkg with upgrade --install-new [17:30] err, upgradepkg [17:30] straterra: and if i tell that i tried and I got that error do you beleive me? [17:30] Azeotrope: of course, you can't upgrade a non-installed package [17:30] metrofox: Aborted. [17:30] thats what it says [17:30] Azeotrope: and..did..you..TRY WHAT I SAID AFTER YOU SAID THAT? [17:30] pupit: wow... helpful... try the 2.1 version [17:30] and tell us if it crashes again [17:31] straterra: lol [17:31] straterra: yes [17:31] metrofox: ill try to clear up ~./skype [17:31] Azeotrope: removepkg the package you just installed. Pastebin ls -al /var/log/packages/ && ls -al patches/ [17:32] pupit: yeah try to remove that dir, and if skype still crashes try to use the latest version [17:32] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.109.4) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:32] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:32] Nikon: kwrite can deal with unicode here without any problems. I just checked again :) [17:33] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:33] try [17:33] €“ˆ“‘ [17:33] metrofox: yeah, where is the 2.1v? just to use it from official site and use slackbuilds? [17:33] pupit: sure. [17:33] ok then [17:33] download the binary from the official site [17:33] and edit the slackbuild [17:33] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) joined ##slackware. [17:33] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [17:33] pupit: it's the clean, supported way. [17:33] mako-sama: try saving a file with €“ˆ“‘ in it, close it, and reopen it [17:34] it should show up as 5 question marks [17:34] straterra: http://pastebin.org/267737 [17:34] xendor (~xendor@host68-69-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:34] Nikon: I don't see what you're typing... are you sure you're using unicode? [17:34] Action: veritos remembers "bush hid the facts" which would appear as Chinese characters when saved and reopened in Windows Notepad [17:34] straterra: http://pastebin.org/267742 [17:34] yes [17:35] it is part of the shading set [17:35] what language is that? [17:35] i feel like a baby now [17:35] and block set [17:35] Action: Macharo is now away: brb [17:35] I see question marks [17:35] mako-sama: no language, just blocks [17:35] does anyone know how to apply thunderbirds view settings globally? as in once, and not for every folder? [17:35] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:35] and shades [17:36] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [17:37] i think theres a set as default option [17:37] Nikon: I don't know about what you just wrote, but I just wrote something in kwrite in three languages. I'll save it and see what happens [17:37] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:37] see unicode block characters [17:37] sloin (~a@77.93.201.43) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:37] maybe you need mbstring support [17:38] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [17:38] Nikon: kwrite saved it as unicode without problems [17:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unicode_characters#Block_elements [17:38] phrag: ping [17:39] straterra: what now? [17:39] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:39] rworkman: ping [17:39] ok maybe i shouldnt use unicode, i guess its too incompatible [17:39] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [17:39] thank you anyway mako-sama [17:39] sry [17:40] Azeotrope, you are being kinda helpless. rather than understanding your situation, you are looking for hand-holding. people have explained it 3 times now what to do [17:40] alphad64 (~alphad64@196.201.85.218) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:40] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [17:40] metrofox: static skype package? ive forgot.. :) [17:40] Nikon (mythx@fl-67-232-250-203.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:40] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@ip174-64-14-107.br.br.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:40] anybody using lxterm? I don't know how to set tab title to something short instead full pwd path :( [17:40] thrice`: straterra asked for the pastebin and I thought he has other ideas [17:41] he left because he told you, too, exactly what to do, and you didn't do it (just like myself, and 2 others) [17:41] "no one is playing here the blame game Larry" [17:41] how challenging is "remove your duplicates, reinstall them from patches?" [17:42] pupit: I use static [17:42] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:42] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:42] thrice`: it's not challenging [17:42] metrofox: yeah, i remembered, its more stable [17:43] veritos (veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:43] pupit: no, it's static [17:44] yeah, it comes with all libs [17:44] yeah [17:45] thrice`: what about my compat32 packages? what do I do with those? remove and re-compile? [17:45] pupit: I mean, I never installed skype using a SlackBuild, I just have the binaries in my home and I linked the executable in /usr/bin/, so when I type skype it opens the /home/metrofox/skype-static*N/skype [17:46] djura-san (~djura-san@unaffiliated/djura-san) joined ##slackware. [17:46] metrofox: clever :) [17:47] lol, thank you... I like to do simple things.. [17:47] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-68.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [17:47] I have ~/bin for the small/testing stuff [17:48] mako-sama: yeah, I keep in my home all the little binaries [17:48] and software I wrote and compiled [17:48] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:49] thumbs: instead of pinging the ops, why don't you just tell in that same line what you want? Much easier when reading the backlog [17:49] I usually just ignore folk who write "alienBOB: ping" [17:49] alienBOB: sorry. [17:49] 17:30 * Macharo is now away: brb [17:50] jhell_ (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [17:50] Yeah, and then you ping all ops ? [17:50] that user has been unresponsive so far - ignoring our requests to disable it. [17:50] Well, he'll be away then [17:50] When he comes around, he'll hopefully fix the away, or else he'll get a PM. [17:51] ok, thanks.\ [17:51] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:51] Guest29845 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:51] metrofox: I keep scripts/bins that I use alot in /usr/local/bin/ [17:51] RaNdY (randy@shellium/member/randy) left irc: Quit: changing servers [17:51] cmeow (cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) left irc: Quit: Meow, meOUT! [17:51] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [17:52] mmm, I hate /usr/share/bin [17:52] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [17:52] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [17:52] it's outside slackware's standars [17:52] *standards [17:52] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:52] Nick change: jhell_ -> jhell [17:52] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-68.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [17:52] Ghost (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [17:52] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [17:52] init[1] (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [17:52] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:52] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest92591 [17:52] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [17:52] binaries shouldn't be in /usr/share. Scripts, maybe (they're sharable across multiple arches), but it's kinda bizarre [17:52] who places bins in /usr/share ? O_o [17:52] i only put my delicates there [17:53] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [17:53] Azeotrope (JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left ##slackware. [17:53] metrofox: the error with 2.1 is: Segmentation fault. [17:53] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) joined ##slackware. [17:53] mako-sama: ehm... I mean: /usr/local/bin [17:54] pupit: weird... are you running slackware or slackware64? [17:54] slackware [17:54] it's weird... [17:54] /usr/local/bin I use for stuff that isn't in any package (handrolled scripts, the occasional precompiled binary I'm too lazy to make a package for) [17:54] metrofox: there is nothing wrong with /usr/local.. [17:54] mako-sama: I don't know, I don't have anything inside [17:55] but these days that stuff ends up in ~urchlay/bin instead (even more lazy, no need to su or sudo to copy stuff there) [17:55] when I write a slackbuild I use /usr/bin instead of /usr/local/bin... [17:55] yeah [17:55] slackware doesn't like /usr/local/bin [17:55] so does everyone here, unless they're doing it wrong [17:55] cmeow (cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [17:56] ehm, it's fine, for stuff that's not in a package [17:56] yeah [17:56] for personal things... [17:56] random example: youtube-dl is distributed as a python script with no other files... why not cp it to /usr/local/bin and make it +x? [17:57] metrofox: i guess i will try with dynamic, i'll let you know [17:58] I mean, you could make a proper slack package of it, but probably the slackbuild and slack-desc will be bigger than the actual program it's a package for [17:58] Urchlay: seen that it's a script I'd prefer to put it there, like many bash scripts... [17:58] pupit: yeah try with the dynamic [17:59] pupit: wait, did you say you're having segfaults with skype's static binary? try not stripping it [17:59] pupit, latest static works great on current [17:59] Urchlay: yeah, there isn't much difference, I just follow slackware's philosophy and standards [17:59] uhm, wait. i think i forgot to remove old skype in this hurry [18:00] pupit: hehe [18:00] well if you ran it with: ./skype it "doesn't work" [18:01] if you ran make install then it's all different :-P [18:01] metrofox: :P [18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-420970.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:02] marrowsuck (~marrowsuc@gssn-4d007fa5.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] nope, same problem. Segmentation fault. [18:03] Action: Macharo is now away: brb [18:03] now i'll try the dynamic [18:03] alienBOB: here is this guy, thumbs hunts him like he is a wild animal :) [18:04] I'm sorry, I can't stand folks that use that script. [18:07] I've PM-ed him about his away script already, he'll get kicked soon enough when he persists [18:07] There are worse things to do [18:07] johndee (~id@95-29-177-30.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:07] But, it is a channel rule [18:07] alienBOB: Oi oi! [18:07] rules rules rules :) [18:09] metrofox: im tired now its midnight time here. Segmentation fault happens with dynamic too. [18:10] pupit: midnight here too... I'm also tired [18:10] I don't know, are you sure you're running slackware instead of slackware64? [18:10] hahaha [18:10] run uname -m [18:10] lol [18:10] it happens [18:10] pupit already said he was on 32bit, no? [18:10] im pretty sure :) [18:11] he said but sometimes we can get confused, especially if we run slackware on different computers [18:11] and smoke some cannabis... [18:11] I get confused [18:11] xendor (~xendor@host68-69-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:12] no smoke here, no alcohol, just coffee from time to time :) [18:12] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [18:13] better for you pupit [18:13] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-24.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:13] =) [18:13] :) [18:15] marrowsuck (~marrowsuc@gssn-4d007fa5.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:15] Zoubiddaaa (~Zoubiddaa@2001:7a8:34d5::1:102) joined ##slackware. [18:16] Action: Macharo is now away: brb [18:17] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. 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[18:21] hello channel [18:21] hytee (~fffeop@77.49.149.123.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: [18:21] alienBOB, do I download the packages here http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/13.0/slackware64-compat32/ [18:21] when upgrading to multilib-enabled? [18:22] twoshot_: if you get those and install them, you won't have to run that massconvert32.sh script yourself anymore. [18:22] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.174.220.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:22] ok thanks [18:23] see you guys =) [18:23] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-176-249.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [18:23] i'm installing slackware 13.0 on my 10 year old laptop right now, and I have an old pcmcia network card id like to use, the drivers for it are here:http://homesupport.cisco.com/en-us/wireless/lbc/WPC11?referrer=www.linksysbycisco.com [18:23] so that gets rid of the compat32 mkdir thing too right? [18:24] I know it's very old technology, do any of you know if it will still work now? [18:26] bitlord helped me with skype! the slacky script did a job: http://nopaste.ns-linux.org/?NGE1Zj [18:27] x3r0x (x3r0x@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:27] straterra (~straterra@2001:470:8a81::4) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:27] straterra (~straterra@2001:470:8a81::4) joined ##slackware. [18:27] x3r0x (x3r0x@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [18:30] Unsichtbar (~irc-data@unaffiliated/appetite) joined ##slackware. [18:33] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [18:33] oldhp: as you can see on that page, there are several hardware versions for that card, and they don't all work on linux as far as I remember [18:33] they made linux drivers for it...i already tried on ubuntu, but ubuntu doesn't support pcmcia so it wouldnt compile [18:34] Just try inserting it and see what happens (run "dmesg" and "ifconfig -a") [18:34] nannes (nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [18:34] Who knows support is in the current kernel [18:34] ok...slackware is still installing, i'v gotten to installing java now.. [18:34] oldhp: can you determine if that card is a version 1..2..3.. or 4? [18:35] alienBOB:it's a version 1 [18:35] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [18:36] my laptop is doing great so far on the install, pretty impressed for only 256 RAM and a 700MHz p111 [18:36] Action: fatalnix screams [18:36] Action: fatalnix screams at ubuntu then screams at the word ubuntu server! [18:37] if 13 boots fine on my laptop, but -current wont, should I worry that the same issue will be present on 13.1? [18:38] yes [18:38] -current is a test bed, not a revision! [18:38] yeah, i would be worried, since its going to be final sometime [18:38] kernels rarely regress, so it's likely pebkac though [18:38] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:38] hi.. since last 2-3 kernel updates (running 64-current) nfsd fails to load (Invalid module format). is it normal? [18:39] rab13s: how won't it boot? [18:39] oldhp_ (~oldhp@d232075.tidewater.net) joined ##slackware. [18:39] powtrix: running the huge kernel still? [18:39] thrice`: lol [18:39] yes alienBOB [18:40] rab13s: or are you trying to boot 64-bit Slackware on 32-bit hardware? [18:40] alienBOB: everything appears to go smoothly, then when I boot up, right at the time when it gets to the B43 module it hangs [18:40] powtrix: change to the generic kernel and try again [18:40] ok. just it? [18:40] alienBOB: 32bit software on 64bit hardware [18:40] rab13s: does your hardware use the b43 module? [18:41] powtrix: also create an initrd or your computer wont boot [18:41] alienBOB: yes, thats the reason I want to run -current on my laptop [18:41] rab13s: I don't know if this will do anything but try holding down ccontrol or escape...i had a laptop hang on boot before and holding down keys seemed to make it finish booting...I don't know why that is [18:41] oldhp (~oldhp@d232075.tidewater.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:42] alienBOB: the kernel supports my wifi card, thats why I want to upgrade, Also Ill test that now [18:43] oldhp_ (~oldhp@d232075.tidewater.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:43] oldhp_ (~oldhp@d232075.tidewater.net) joined ##slackware. [18:44] alienBOB: GENIUS!!!! thanks, that was it, CTRL on boot up forced it through! [18:44] lol [18:44] i thoughht I was the one who said that [18:45] hah [18:45] you are [18:45] ive gone through too many installs praying for sucess on this laptop, now I just gotta test the wifi [18:46] what kind of laptop is it? [18:47] GOOD MORNING HEARTACHE, you'll like an old friend, come and see me again! [18:47] Emachine E725-4520 [18:47] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [18:47] got a killer price a wally world [18:48] oh nice machine [18:48] it should run linux quick [18:48] oldhp_: wow im retarted, thanks for the CTRL suggestion! i wasnt paying attn sorry [18:49] rab13s:your welcome, sir. Glad it worked for you (: [18:50] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [18:50] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [18:50] epoch kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Seeya, trooooollll. Actions have consequences. Adults understand that. [18:51] oldhp_: workd the first time =/ now its hanging again [18:51] My 10 yr old HP laptop is almost finished installing slackware 13 [18:51] chasmo77 (~user@69.4.142.4) joined ##slackware. [18:51] rab13s: it's hanging after it booted? [18:53] oldhp_: hanging on boot right when it tries to get the b43-pci-bridge up and running [18:54] oldhp (~oldhp@d232075.tidewater.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] oldhp_ (~oldhp@d232075.tidewater.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:58] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [18:59] Alright. I've had it with his ubuntu **snorts** server [19:00] I'm installing arch on it, getting xen running, and ill install an ubuntu domu for him He'll never notice the difference! lol [19:00] nothing on it besides ssh anyways [19:02] I mean if he had stuff on it I wouldnt but he said there isnt anything on it so if I wanted to downgrade ubuntu I could.. lol. [19:03] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:04] rockslinux (~chatzilla@213.87.194.4) joined ##slackware. [19:04] Unsichtbar (~irc-data@unaffiliated/appetite) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:06] o/ * [19:07] skulls (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/skulls) joined ##slackware. [19:07] \o phrag [19:09] \o/ phrag [19:09] no ball playing indoors [19:09] Action: fatalnix lifts his concrete block and sends it back to the two [19:10] o/### [19:10] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [19:10] huh. I guess there isnt a card tournament [19:10] weird [19:11] parents told me there would be downstairs [19:14] chasmo77 (~user@69.4.142.4) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:14] Unsichtbar (~asd93k@unaffiliated/appetite) joined ##slackware. [19:15] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [19:16] oldhp_ (~oldhp@d232075.tidewater.net) joined ##slackware. [19:18] oldhp (~oldhp@d232075.tidewater.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:18] Unsichtbar (~asd93k@unaffiliated/appetite) left irc: Client Quit [19:20] Unsichtbar (~asd93k@unaffiliated/appetite) joined ##slackware. [19:21] alienBOB, I installed all the packages. Do I need to reinstall wine for it to work? [19:22] Should not need to [19:23] It's now telling me it can't find /home/user/.wine :/ [19:23] Do you know why that is? [19:23] I'm going to mkdir that and try again [19:25] oldhp (~oldhp@d232075.tidewater.net) joined ##slackware. [19:25] I just came up with an idea. I should developer a new text editor called Vimacs, to end this argument over whats better. [19:25] develop* [19:26] if .wine doesn't exist.. then wine didn't install properly [19:26] actually wait now. [19:27] try running winecfg, it should populate .wine shouldn't it? [19:27] oh ya I didn't config [19:27] damn [19:28] well the thing is how is wine supposed to know what users are on the system that want wine, so I think you're supposed to run winecfg first, maybe not I could be wrong, it could be any [19:28] well we'll see :) [19:28] haha [19:28] oldhp_ (~oldhp@d232075.tidewater.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:29] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@ip174-64-14-107.br.br.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:30] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@ip174-64-14-107.br.br.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:30] o_0 IO error on X [19:30] I hate reloading ff [19:30] Nick change: Ghost -> Plasmastar [19:30] HAHA [19:30] are you serious? [19:31] yea [19:31] lol [19:35] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon124952.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [19:36] arenics (1000@unaffiliated/arenics) joined ##slackware. [19:37] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:37] mancha: are you around? [19:38] fhobia: suspend woos [19:41] fatalnix, any idea of the issue here? http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/ZCw66T67.html [19:41] I just ran winecfg [19:41] and I tried to run an exe right after [19:42] rockslinux (~chatzilla@213.87.194.4) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [SeaMonkey 2.0.4/20100402161724] [19:43] TriniTuX: suspend-resume problems ? [19:43] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: shopping, I hate it. even when I am shopping to tech toys [19:43] fhobia: well pm-suspend didn't help really [19:44] 75% battery depletion after 6 hours [19:44] oh well [19:44] my real gripe right now is why in fn+f5 hosing my wireless [19:44] why *is [19:45] what does that button normally do? mine has a little computer with like waves coming out of it [19:45] on the key [19:45] yup same as well [19:45] enable/disable wireless ? [19:45] well its supposed to [19:45] but it never re-enables [19:45] ah [19:46] i don't use that button, but its probably something to do with the /etc/acpi stuff [19:46] maybe the event isn't getting routed right or something [19:46] yup but there isn't any entries inside there [19:47] I created a custom script with just xterm -e wicd-curces in it [19:48] didn't make a diffrence; the wireless got disabled and didn't come back up 'till a reboot! [19:49] I can't believe it, restarting acpid, hal, wicd etc didn't help only a reboot [19:49] yeah, you shouldn't have to do wicd-curses, since the wicd daemon should handle it [19:49] I agree thats what I'm using now, however I would have liked it setup that way for when I am mobile [19:50] so when you press the button, does the wireless interface just disappear from "iwconfig"? [19:50] yes [19:50] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:50] no [19:50] sorry [19:50] disappears from ifconfig [19:50] still there with iwconfig [19:50] oh ok, so i guess it doesn't remove the module [19:51] pireau (1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [19:51] and if I launch wicd-client/curses it doesn't bring up anything [19:51] nothing at all ? no wireless entries? [19:51] NULL [19:52] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-68.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:53] I even -x the /etc/acpi/actions/wifiscript.sh so it won't run and restarted acpid & wicd [19:53] no change [19:53] X| [19:54] interesting that ifconfig shows nothing but iwconfig does - what if you do ifconfig wlan0 (or ath0 or whichever it usually is) [19:54] which means if I accidentally hit fn+f5 bye bye wireless [19:54] Emomonkey (~yaaic@75-161-54-197.albq.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:54] I _need_ to get this rectified [19:54] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:55] whats the wireless interface usually? ath0 or is it wlan0 ? [19:55] the /dev wlan0 comes up but its not managed by wicd anymore [19:55] I didn't attempt associating manually [19:56] oh, nothing showed up in wicd-curses to associate with right? [19:56] which kinda defeats the point [19:56] correct [19:57] what happens if you do "ifconfig wlan0 up" ? [19:57] sorry I didn't try it [19:58] wondering if it gives it a little kick to wake up :P [19:58] yes I could have falled back on that but I really wanted an auto wireless approach [19:58] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) left irc: Quit: velusip [19:58] tell you what [19:58] I'll try it in a while [19:58] Emomonkey (~yaaic@75-161-54-197.albq.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org [19:58] oh, i'm not saying to abandon wicd or anything [19:58] just tinkering so far ;3 [19:58] ok, let me know how it goes [19:59] hmm I do prefer wicd [19:59] yep [19:59] i use wicd now too - i wouldn't go back to the hand commands either :D [19:59] w00t, xfce 4.6.2 bundle available for d/l [19:59] I know, I've become spoiled too [19:59] check you back in about two hours [19:59] (did i repeat what everyone's been saying for hours now? if so, sorry) [19:59] nope, you are the pioneer, mancha [20:00] no, noone uses xfce any more :> [20:00] I use it. [20:00] err then again i wasn't here so...lol neer mind [20:00] xfce is so May 21st.... [20:00] :) [20:00] last word - fluxbox is the shiznit, bye [20:01] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [20:07] slackaholic (1000@187-24-28-243.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:07] anyways, xfce-4.6.2.tar.bz2 is coming soon to a mirror near you....if you're into xfce that is. [20:07] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [20:08] but if you're patient, my money is on rworkman making a shiny new release for -current :) [20:08] splitted packages ftw [20:08] hey anyone care to help me dualboot ubuntu and slackware? lilo only sees slack [20:08] lilo chooses to ignore ubunti [20:08] oldhp: add another entry in lilo.conf, then? [20:09] to have lilo see the ubunti partition add the line "allow caca" [20:09] I just want to get it to work [20:09] is there an entry for lilo in your /etc/lilo.conf, oldhp ? [20:10] ok more seriously you need a kernel block for it. man lilo.conf [20:10] all that is there is the slackware [20:10] if i reinstalled grub2 would that pick up slackware? [20:10] you can use liloconfig and carefully add an entry for ubuntu [20:11] then rerun lilo [20:11] also follow what manch said and read man lilo.conf [20:11] im not familiar with any of this [20:12] i have the ubuntu live cd loaded, i can put on grub2 right now but i dont know if that will pick up slackware or not [20:13] 'pick up' isn't correct - both will do what you plop into their configs [20:13] in the past grub has seen everything that was there, i dont know why lilo didnt see ubuntu [20:13] you'll have to configure either way. both ways work.\ [20:14] because you didn't tell lilo about ubuntu [20:15] i can try editing the lilo.conf from the live cd i guess [20:15] im not sure what to write though [20:15] i found a guide on how to reinstall grub2 i was just going to do that [20:15] is the ubuntu system on one single partition? is the kernel in boot? [20:16] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:16] yes [20:17] lilo? grub? None uses GAG? =/ [20:17] http://pastebin.com/Dc7KMDHi [20:17] i have a 5gig partition for ubuntu, a 4.5gig partition for slackware, and a 400mb swap space [20:18] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*slackware@*.sentabi.com expired. [20:18] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*slackware@*.sentabi.com' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [20:18] oldhp add something like that...fix the name of the kernel and fix the partition (i used /dev/sda3) [20:18] ubuntu likely uses an initramfs, no? [20:18] oh, if it uses an initramfs all bets are off...disregard my pastebin if so... [20:18] or add an initrd= line... [20:19] k ill see if i can figure this out.. [20:19] did you see my pastebin? [20:19] yeah i am looking at it [20:19] laughs [20:19] you guyys really hate ubuntu [20:20] i don't hate it, i was just trying to insert some levity into this as lilo.conf making does not rock my fro [20:21] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:21] man working on livecd is so slow [20:21] slackaholic (1000@187-24-28-243.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:21] lilo.conf finally opened =) [20:22] what do you guys do with old electronics? donate to somewhere? [20:22] Action: fhobia looks at a 1 megapixel camera [20:22] C3PO [20:22] make. [20:22] i dunno, most places just wanna destroy them, but my obsolete stuff still works [20:22] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:23] Action: fhobia looks at the boxes of boxes of floppy disks [20:23] 1MP can still be used, donate to schools [20:23] i got boxes of 5.25" pro dos apple ][+ disks [20:23] mancha: ok, sounds good [20:23] ok what about initramfs [20:23] im off. have a nice day/night and nice chat :) [20:23] Skywise: go on . . . [20:24] seeya djura-san [20:24] with locksmith 5.0 [20:24] Skywise: go on . . . [20:24] :3 going to just keep them? [20:24] i got an apple //c with monochrome monitor [20:24] and printer [20:25] i have a carrying case with external drive [20:25] djura-san (~djura-san@unaffiliated/djura-san) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:25] there was supposed to be a color montor for the //c that was portable, but it never shipped [20:26] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [20:31] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [20:31] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:32] slackaholic (1000@187-24-101-200.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:32] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:37] slackaholic (1000@187-24-101-200.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Reconnecting [20:37] slackaholic (1000@187-24-101-200.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:38] changed my lilo file...lets see if this works [20:38] don't forget to run lilo [20:39] didnt work [20:39] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) joined ##slackware. [20:39] did you run lilo? [20:39] i did the work on the ubuntu live cd [20:39] lilo [20:39] so no [20:39] i was about to reinstall grub2 [20:40] then of course it didn't work [20:40] but i decided to try and do it with lilo [20:40] how did that not work [20:40] he didn't run lilo [20:41] i dont know what im doing [20:41] nope [20:42] i'll try it again [20:42] yeah, just try the advice first [20:42] you never know, it could work [20:42] you gotta run "lilo" [20:42] skulls (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/skulls) left irc: Quit: Quit [20:42] i dont even know how to run it [20:43] type 'lilo' [20:43] or I think /sbin/lilo [20:43] at a command prompt [20:43] ah ok [20:43] usually, something like: mkdir /mnt/slackware; mount /dev/ /mnt/slackware; mount -o bind /dev /mnt/slackware/dev; mount -t proc none /mnt/slackware/proc; edit lilo.conf, run "lilo" [20:43] this is my first day using slackware...i dont even use linux all that much [20:44] "mplayer -vo aa -monitorpixelaspect 0.5 myfile.mp4" is it possible to do in color? [20:44] oldhp, grub2 might be easier fwiw [20:45] geez now ya tell me, i already booted up slack [20:45] im going to try to get lilo working [20:45] oh, if slack boots, great :) [20:46] hey how do i do root commands [20:46] in ubuntu its sudo, that didnt work for this [20:46] 'su' [20:46] oh [20:46] or, you can configure sudo too [20:46] i guess i already am root [20:46] my account is root [20:46] i should probably cxhange that [20:47] You start as root. Investigate adduser to remedy that. [20:47] anyways...lilo has a problem [20:47] lba32? [20:47] Fatal: Illegal 'root'= specification: /dev/hda4 [20:47] i must have put in the wrong root location [20:48] because i dont know where ubuntu root is i just guessed the number after my slackware root [20:48] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] my slackware lilo entry puts slacks root as /dev/hda3 [20:48] o_o [20:49] ascii art is awesome [20:49] Action: fhobia facepalms himself after realizing scp follows symlinks and ended up copying the same thing over and over for hours [20:49] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [20:49] hahaha.. oh my [20:49] fhobia: Yep! rsync does the same thing. [20:50] oh man, i just wanted to clone my old laptops hd onto my new laptop [20:50] fhobia: I like when I set up a grep into a file.. and include the dir with the file I'm grepping into. fills the hdd quick [20:50] so that i could sift through it later [20:50] hehehe [20:50] ::sigh:: :P [20:51] oldhp: How many partitions do you have? [20:51] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@p3m/member/epoch expired. [20:51] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [20:51] jkwood: at least rsync has "-l copy symlinks as symlinks" option though ? [20:52] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:53] i have 2 partitions [20:53] fhobia: Yeah, I was just being lazy and wondered why rsyncing my website took so long. I was rsyncing it into a subdirectory... [20:53] chasmo77 (~Charles@69.4.142.4) joined ##slackware. [20:53] i changed it to /dev/hda2 for ubuntu [20:53] restarting to see if that did it [20:53] That's probably it. [20:53] im on my other laptop for this chat [20:54] you could fdisk /dev/hda and list the partitions [20:54] That, or /dev/hda1, with /dev/hda2 being swap. [20:54] if that wasnt it im going to fdisk /dev/hda [20:54] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:54] matrix (~matrix@static-200-105-221-199.acelerate.net) joined ##slackware. [20:54] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@static-200-105-*.acelerate.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [20:54] matrix kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: matrix, you can keep your attempted insults (U fagest dont help ME!) - they suck anyway. [20:54] i suck at remembering these commands [20:55] fdisk -l /dev/hda is what you want. The -l is important. [20:55] I don't THINK it will wipe your hard drive... but it may be difficult to quit. [20:55] ok i still only get the slackware in lilo [20:55] so im going to figure this out once and for all! [20:56] did you run lilo after you edited lilo.conf ? [20:56] so i type fdisk -l /dev/hda [20:56] yes i did [20:56] awesome :3 [20:56] and when i boot the computer i get nothing [20:56] just the linux entry for slack [20:56] there is no ubuntu entry [20:57] oldhp: put your lilo.conf into a pastebin [20:57] wish i could, i havnt gotten myself online yet on slack [20:57] yhou need to just add an ubuntu section, run lilo, and reboot. perhaps pasting your lilo.conf might help us [20:57] output of the fdisk command above would also help, oldhp [20:57] i need to use ndiswrapper to get online i havnt ffound that yet [20:57] which wireless card? [20:58] oldhp: either use a usb stick to transfer it, or some other thing (digital camera?) [20:58] slackaholic (1000@187-24-101-200.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:58] or just type up your booting portions.. with the root= and all of that [20:58] airnet AWU154 [20:58] the ndiswrapper trick worked good in ubuntu [20:58] should for slack too [20:58] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [20:59] i dont have a usb stick (i know i know) i use SD cards with my modern laptop, the linux one is 10 yrs old [21:00] they didnt have sd back then [21:00] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:00] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:00] well, you could try getting ndiswrapper working real quick, or just type it manually [21:00] honestly, I think the best way for you to get help now is providing the lilo.conf and fdisk -l [21:00] is ndiswrapper included on the slack dvd? [21:01] ok the output on fdisk -l is as follows [21:01] Action: fhobia digs up a stealth64 video 3200 2mb pci vram accelerator! weee! [21:01] oldhp: pastebin [21:01] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [21:02] hda1 is nothing [21:02] hda2 is linux, hda3 is linux, hda5 is swap [21:03] im guessing that hda3 is slack because thats what lilo sais it uses to boot slack [21:04] how do you install ndiswrapper on slack so i can get online and use pastebin? [21:04] it looks like ndiswrapper isn't shipped stock.. hrm [21:04] uh oh [21:04] let me try plugging in ethernet [21:04] did you have a live cd you booted from with internet access? [21:04] ...yes, that would probably work well [21:05] khamsin (~khamsin@65.91.210.171) joined ##slackware. [21:05] Ethernet should work without hassle. [21:05] this is an old computer [21:05] Even better. [21:06] ifconfig -a to show the adapter, dhcpd -d ethX to get an ip address (and other goodies.) [21:08] dhcpcd * :> [21:10] tried [21:10] it wont connect [21:10] should i reboot with ethernet cord plugged in?> [21:10] does it give an error? [21:11] yeah [21:11] well not exactly [21:11] it just doesnt do anything [21:11] ..does it give any output? [21:11] i type in dhcpd -d eth0 [21:12] and then i get this long output of stuff like.. [21:12] does he need to type in like "ifconfig eth0 up" ? [21:12] you must add a global ddns-update-style statement to /etc/dhcpd.conf [21:13] when you installed slack, did you tell it to use dhcpc or did you put in specific details? [21:13] That's.... ridiculous. [21:13] why dhcpd ? dhcpcd is proper I'd guess [21:13] oh, yeah, good point thrice` [21:14] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:14] i think i did dhcpc [21:14] try dhcpcd [21:14] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [21:15] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:15] oh now it is doing something [21:15] boo ya [21:16] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.138) joined ##slackware. [21:16] Whoops... I mistyped it, yeah, dhcpcd. [21:17] im still not online though.. [21:17] did it give any errors/output? [21:18] no it just gave output [21:18] i thought i was getting online [21:18] it was broadcasting a lease [21:18] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] dhcp discovery [21:18] ping google.com gives nothing? [21:19] unknown host [21:19] websites dont load [21:20] but did it say anything to indicate dhcpcd couldn't connect to the network? [21:20] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Write error: Connection reset by peer [21:20] khamsin (khamsin@65.91.210.171) left ##slackware. [21:20] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:21] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:21] it did say it timed out [21:22] im restarting [21:22] maybe that will fix it [21:22] well there you go. do you know if the module for it is loaded? or yeah, go with that [21:22] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:22] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [21:22] if ifconfig -a showed eth0, it should be accessible / working [21:22] when i turned the computer on i didnt have ethernet hooked up [21:22] <3 Hi. [21:23] Could you guys fill me in on what is going on? [21:23] no [21:23] rizabawtie: I would hope you are perfectly capable of reading [21:24] sigh...waiting waiting for this to load [21:24] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:25] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:29] hodges (~h0dg3s@h0dg3s.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] Rashid- (~Rashid__@adsl-90-3-195.mob.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] retsarted it, ran dhcpcd -d eth0 and eth1, both timed out [21:31] so im not getting online [21:31] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488E3D5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] okay well back to the lilo issue [21:31] type those two up exactly into http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/ and give us the link [21:32] why did slackware switch to kde? [21:32] just the two blocks for booting ubuntu and slack [21:32] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] ok.. [21:33] hodges: "Switch?" [21:33] Rashid-- (~Rashid__@adsl-90-3-195.mob.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:33] jkwood: wasn't it using gnome a few years ago? [21:34] rizabawtie (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: rizabawtie [21:35] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [21:35] goj (~goj@p5488FFDF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:35] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:35] Agh Slackware froze. [21:35] Gnome was offered, but removed in 10.2. [21:35] That was back in 2005. [21:35] all of it? [21:36] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:36] It was picked up as a community project by several groups, though. [21:37] Any one of which could tell you exactly why it was removed from the official release. ;) [21:37] IIRC, KDE was the default even when Gnome was around [21:38] since KDE preexisted GNOME, i would imagine it was added to Slackware first too [21:38] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:38] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/Yiw2hR82.html [21:39] Action: chess has not too fond memories of kde 1.x and 2.x [21:39] gnome 1.4 FTW [21:39] oldhp: and those image/initrd on ubuntu are valid? [21:40] yes [21:40] i copied them from the ubuntu files [21:40] oldhp: you might want to mount /dev/hda2 somewhere and double check.. or have you already? [21:40] how do u mount? [21:40] mount /dev/hda2 /dir/to/mount/at [21:40] i dont know any commands [21:43] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:43] Action: slakmagik has not too fond memories of either one in any version [21:44] slakmagik: :-) [21:45] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:46] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:46] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:47] thank "Bob" for good ol' plain WMs :) [21:48] Action: raela loves fluxbox [21:48] well visually i doubt gnome 1.x has any major differences than the current fvwm [21:49] gnome, like kde, has made substantial improvements. [21:50] kde would look better if the start menu wasn't so fat [21:50] omg, i hate kde [21:50] console ftw [21:51] slakmagik: yes, nowadays I pretty much stick with tiling wm's or one of the *box wm's. xfce is nice too. [21:51] I use fluxbox so I can organize my term windows in pretty ways.. and colored wallpaper :P with transparent terms [21:51] so did you guys find anything wrong with my lilo? [21:51] it still aint workin [21:52] it's lazy [21:52] :0 terinator is sweet [21:52] try kicking it out of the house [21:52] transparent terminals is the most antiproductive invention ever [21:52] and stop paying for its cellphone [21:52] huggs my, fluxbox [21:53] oldhp: did you mount and verify those were the correct locations/filenames? [21:53] lol transparent terminals? what's the point? [21:53] sahko: what? no it's awesome [21:53] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] when i mounted it crashed my computer [21:53] hodges: because I have a pretty wallpaper that I want to see :P [21:53] raela: maybe for posting good looking screenshots :p [21:53] I think sahko was just dissing it but I've been using fvwm for years - I sure couldn't use the default fvwm 2.4.x, but I love my fvwm. [21:53] oldhp: um.. then maybe there's something really wrong with that partition [21:53] :D [21:53] raela print it out and hang it on the wall? [21:54] sahko: nah.. it's what I've been using for years. false transparency, actually [21:54] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:54] hodges: what, you expect me to look at black terms? how awful :P [21:54] well, I guess I *could*, but I wouldn't love it quite as much [21:54] you can change their color [21:54] I like setting them to green on black and blocky fonts so they look really old [21:55] hodges: I like something a bit more interesting :P nothing too crazy, but not just a solid color [21:55] should I give any special argment to gcc compiler for using standard math functions ? [21:55] gray-on-black w/terminus ftw [21:55] it keeps my friends/coworkers from trying to use my computers [21:56] that, and passwords [21:56] :( i dont know what to do [21:56] yeah, those help :) [21:56] hodges: trust me.. everyone that knows me is afraid to use my computers anyway. terminals eat you alive, you know [21:56] oh yeah, I need to learn to boot some kind of live linux distro over pxe for the next time april 1st rolls arou nd [22:00] [22:00] actually my old vt220 is a finicky eater. She won't eat just anyone alive... [22:00] nothing like cleaning up the pixellated green hairballs, either [22:01] my laptop hasn't ate anyone that I know of yet.. or it's really good at hiding the evidence [22:01] arenics: "-lm" at the end of the gcc command line: gcc -o blah blah.c -lm [22:01] Urchlay: yeah, ty :) [22:01] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:01] xsamurai (~munki@pool-108-13-142-150.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:01] I showed someone xfce, but since she saw me typing in rxvt under flux, she said it was way too complete and she'd screw up clicking on an icon.. [22:01] arenics: and don't forget to #include in the source, of course [22:02] Urchlay: do u know the reason for that ? why I don't need to set it for stdio functions ? [22:03] stdio functions are included in the standard C library, libc.so [22:03] math funcs are in their own librar, libm.so [22:04] hm... [22:04] it makes reason [22:04] dates back to the days before dynamic linking and lazy binding or whatever it's called, when everything was statically linked. Back then, you did NOT want to include all the math functions in the executable for every program that didn't need them [22:04] inconnu (1000@69-165-217-79.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [22:05] (what *is* it called, where the kernel only loads the parts of executables/libraries that actually need to run? demand paging?) [22:06] Urchlay: but what about stdlib functions ? is it on libc.so as well ? [22:07] I can't recall what all's in stdlib. Some of them are in libc.so, some are probably syscalls (directly to the kernel, no library needed) [22:09] eh, or maybe they're all in libc.so [22:09] oh [22:09] :) [22:09] whats the command to start xfce? [22:09] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:10] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:10] looks like you can do this: startx /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.xfce [22:10] oldhp: xfce4-session ? [22:10] Action: fhobia realizes he is using firefox 1.06 o.O [22:10] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:10] Urchlay: thanks for the informations :) [22:11] the "proper" way to do it would be to run xwmconfig (as root) and choose "xinitrc.xfce" there, that'll make xfce the default [22:11] Raff_ (~rafael@189.101.240.123) joined ##slackware. [22:12] whenever i start my computer it boots into terminal [22:12] it's meant to do that [22:12] i want either fluxbox or xfce to be the default [22:12] that's normal, for a fresh install [22:12] its not terminal, its a console [22:12] oldhp: /etc/inittab [22:13] Skywise: isn't it also called virtual terminal? [22:13] Nick change: Raff_ -> Raff [22:13] i think of a terminal as a windowed shell [22:14] well whatever he calls it, it ain't what he wants... [22:14] eh, I refer to console as vt (vt1, vt2, etc), then terminals as terms [22:14] so how do you start fluxbox or xfce from that virtual terminal [22:14] Urchlay: haha [22:14] he should change init from 3 to 4 [22:15] i only know the kdm command [22:15] Skywise: I think of a terminal as a piece of hardware with a CRT, a keyboard, RS232 port... [22:15] they're also places to catch trains [22:15] or a very sad condition before someone kicks it.. [22:15] yeah, and the + and - contacts on a battery [22:15] i think of a terminal like an airport terminal [22:15] or little things you put on wires and cables and such :) [22:15] Raff (~rafael@189.101.240.123) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [22:15] or terminal brain cancer [22:15] or a bus stop [22:16] or a fond (isn't there a font?) [22:16] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-68.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] oldhp: you want to edit /etc/inittab, find the line that begins with "id:3:" and change the 3 to a 4, then afterwards run "init q" [22:16] s/fond/font/ [22:16] come on people, more synonyms! [22:16] there are various fonts called "terminal", but they never look right if I use them for xterms [22:16] these aren't really synonyms [22:16] oldhp: did you fix your lilo problem? [22:16] lilo is still messed up [22:17] how about a horse beaten terminally [22:17] the poor, poor horse [22:17] raela: pseudonyms :) [22:17] and i still am offline [22:17] otherwise slackware works really fast on this old machine [22:17] fhobia: he tried to manually mount the partition and apparently it crashed the box [22:18] oldhp: what seems to be the problem? [22:18] I got a friend who pronounces it "toiminal" [22:18] from Jersy ? [22:18] joisey :) [22:18] raela: oh :D [22:18] Urchlay: British? [22:18] actually I dunno where he's from originally, always thought new york [22:18] i have problem(s) [22:18] oldhp: is it an old hp? XD [22:18] oldhp: I can not try to help if I am not aware of them [22:19] yes a very oldhp [22:19] ok first of all [22:19] pupit: nah, he's from the north of the US somewhere [22:19] i cant figure out how to get lilo to see my ubuntu [22:19] and i cant get online [22:19] let us tackle cant get inline first [22:19] s/inl/onl/ [22:19] they already tried [22:20] he can't get ndiswrapper for his wireless card and the ethernet port apparently isn't working correctly.. or the card.. or something [22:20] fine, I wont tackle that one [22:20] yeah, once you get the thing on the 'net, you can look up solutions for your other problems [22:20] we failed but andarius is awesome so [22:20] he booted with the cord in and dhcpcd failed to assign an ip [22:20] fhobia: aparently I am a failure out the gate... [22:20] yeah i dont know whats up with that [22:20] ohh well [22:20] XD [22:20] unless you have other ideas on what to do.. just letting you know what was tried, andarius [22:20] no no. it matters little to me [22:20] did you try to assign an IP manually? "ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.10 ; route add default gw 192.168.1.1" or such, and DNS servers in /etc/resolv.conf [22:21] if that works, then the card + driver are OK [22:21] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Quit: )(ã_â) ) [22:21] andarius: it took quite awhile to get something useful.. so.. saving you some footwork [22:21] andarius: and this is his lilo.conf, or at least part of it http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/Yiw2hR82.html [22:22] raela ftw [22:22] ill try that urchlay [22:22] I would say the not finding the unbuntu is a minor issue [22:22] and i had an idea about the lilo that i may have done wrong [22:23] well, try that out [22:23] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [22:23] the first set of # do they stop lilo from seeing the rest of it [22:23] I'm a bit concerned about the mount crashing the box, but maybe that was a fluke.. or something [22:23] where is the rest of the lilo.conf file? [22:23] like if i had the ubuntu and slackware inbetween two # instead of each getting their own [22:24] he doesn't have any usb stick/transfer media.. and no net access. had to type that up manually [22:24] the rest of the lilo is what comes from the dvd [22:24] also, 1) is the buntu root partition mounted when you run lilo 2) is the partition verified [22:24] yeah i had to type that :( [22:24] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] and when i run /sbin/lilo it sais fatal: open /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-21-generic: No such file or directory [22:25] hda? really ? [22:26] oldhp: well.. mentioning that earlier may have helped quite a bit [22:26] eh, vmlinuz-2.6.32-21-generic isn't a slackware kernel [22:26] andarius: the partitions were verified with fdisk -l earlier [22:26] i did fdisk -l and the two linux partitons are hda2 and hda3 [22:27] Urchlay: he's trying to dual boot ubuntu [22:27] ok. [22:27] dualboot with lilo as the bootloader [22:27] I saw mention of mounting it at one time, that worked ? [22:27] it crashed my computer [22:27] if the system cant mount it lilo will never be able to read it [22:28] oldhp: what you need to do is mount your ubuntu partition somewhere temporarily, like /mnt/tmp, then edit that lilo entry to read "/mnt/tmp/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-21-generic" (and root= whatever it should be for your ubuntu partition) [22:28] what FS was used for the buntu install ? [22:28] oh, you tried that already [22:28] ext4 for buntu and for slack [22:29] i can access the buntu volume from dolphin [22:29] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [22:29] thats how i edited the lilo file, by copying the file names directly from the buntu boot folder [22:30] then the system can mount it, you just had something go wrong in the command to do so [22:30] so there must still be something wrong with my lilo config [22:30] yes, perhaps [22:31] you only have two linux partitions? [22:31] yes [22:32] would it make a difference if i copied the vmlinuz-2.6.32.21-generic into the slackware boot folder, maybe lilo is looking for it in there? [22:32] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:33] it has been a long time for myself and dual boot. I used to use a single /boot and share it between distros [22:33] it's looking for it there, because you've told it to (the line in lilo.conf that reads "/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-21-generic" [22:34] it will look anywhere you tell it to, e.g. "/mnt/tmp/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-21-generic" where /mnt/tmp is where you've mounted your ubuntu paritition (the /boot partition, if /boot is separate from / in your ubuntu install) [22:34] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:35] i think that did the trick [22:35] i added the vmlinuz and the initrd files into the slackware boot folder and the fatal erro went away [22:36] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:36] im restarting to test this [22:36] chasmo77 (~Charles@69.4.142.4) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:37] ike1 (~zombie@59.175.17.54) joined ##slackware. [22:37] :D [22:37] :) [22:38] ike1 (~zombie@59.175.17.54) left irc: Client Quit [22:39] bleah. Am I still the only one who cringes when people refer to directories like /boot as "folders"? [22:39] Urchlay: I do too. [22:39] Chymera (~chymera@mnhm-5f75cca0.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [22:39] Urchlay: I hate the windows-ism. [22:40] to be fair, they might be mac-isms [22:40] oldhp: it's called a directory, not a folder. [22:40] or even amigaOS-isms, for us old pharts [22:40] but I hate it anyway [22:40] hi, do you guys know of any freely available cms for software development, like some Software configuration management thing? [22:40] I accidentally refer to them as folders every now and then.. but generally use dir since I'm lazy and it's less letters :) [22:40] sorry [22:40] i meant dir [22:41] oldhp: oh, I wasn't telling you to change the way you talk [22:41] and buntu still wont load [22:41] whether or not I cringe, isn't your problem :) [22:41] does it appear in the menu? [22:41] but it is in the menu [22:41] it does the bios check [22:41] what happened when you tried to boot it [22:41] then black screen [22:42] blah, black screen = ubuntu's kernel probably would be printing an error, if they didnt have that silly bootsplash stuff [22:42] did you set the root= correctly? [22:43] it needs to be whatever the ubuntu / partition shows up as *while you're running slackware* [22:43] im getting back on slackware [22:43] e.g. if ubuntu calls it /dev/hda1 and slackware calls it /dev/sda1, go with /dev/sda1 [22:44] ill try changing it to sd [22:44] its hd rightnow [22:44] but it shows up as hd, right? [22:44] yes [22:44] why don't you actually try to mount it under slack, and see what you have to use to refer to it? [22:45] ok ill try again [22:45] last time he tried, it crashed [22:45] ive never seen anyone trying to add an entry to lilo.conf for 3 hours before [22:46] sahko: to be fair, it's ubuntu. [22:46] sahko: who knows what it expects [22:46] sahko: i suck at this [22:47] i would have asked about how to add slack in grub2 170 mins ago [22:47] in #ubuntu * [22:47] sahko: I think grub2 was overwritten though [22:47] oldhp: just curious, what led you to installing slack? [22:47] oh right [22:48] I'd say #ubuntu might have some hints for getting it going under lilo.. but.. then again, it is #ubuntu [22:48] raela: unlikely. It's a bunch of idiots in there. [22:48] i dont think people help you there unless you ask about compiz, transparency, or change a theme. but i dont frequent much either [22:49] they will direct you to the proper languaged ubuntu channel if you don't speak english, though [22:49] they have the bot rigged up with messages in each language :P [22:51] thumbs: pong [22:51] i had vector linux before slack...i liked vector and i knew it was based on slack, so i got slack and i like it better [22:51] except for this.. [22:51] but its fun [22:51] lol [22:51] rworkman: bob took care of it. THanks. [22:51] oldhp has endurance [22:51] oh, were you the one asking about openoffice in vector the other day? [22:51] rworkman: it was this /me is away turd. [22:51] thumbs: okay, cool :) [22:52] yes thats me [22:52] lol [22:52] I'm coming in in the middle - sorry if I'm being redundant or missing the issue but, if ubuntu wants /dev/hda1, pass it as an append line to the ubuntu kernel - append="root=/dev/hda1" [22:52] but, yeah, slack's lilo wants it as sd [22:52] oldhp: you had the /me is away spam message? [22:52] sorry..yeah i guess i did [22:53] oldhp: ah. It's really annoying us, as you can see. [22:53] is it still happening? [22:53] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:53] oldhp: no. [22:53] oh, yeah - I guess Urchlay covered that [22:54] slakmagik: it showed up as /dev/hda in slack though [22:54] raela: odd. [22:54] Not in -current [22:54] slakmagik: it's a 10 year old laptop [22:54] oh - okay [22:55] rworkman: actually, I got scolded for pinging too many ops. [22:55] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@static-200-105-*.acelerate.net expired. [22:55] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@static-200-105-*.acelerate.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:55] thumbs: eh? [22:55] oh - rworkman - quick /msg? [22:55] sure [22:55] cool [22:55] i am very very close to dumping ubuntu alltogether [22:56] you don't like the purple color, oldhp ? [22:56] its way slower than slack on this laptop [22:56] oh, yeah [22:56] im just way more familiar with buntu than this [22:56] how much ram does it have? [22:56] oldhp: it's much slower? [22:56] i only have 256 ram and 700mhz p111 [22:57] oldhp: out of curiosity, are you using KDE or flux on slackware? And on ubuntu, what are you using? [22:57] slack smokes buntu on startup [22:57] im surprised ubuntu can even boot [22:57] eerie i have the same config lol [22:57] kdm for slack and gnome for buntu [22:57] but i want to use fluxbox [22:57] oldhp: so KDE4 smokes gnome, heh? [22:57] ubuntu takes forever [22:58] i remember i had once used an ubuntu live cd on a 256 mb ram machine. the live cd took 20 mins to boot [22:58] oldhp: try using fluxbox instead of KDE. It'll be even faster. [22:58] ugh, yah [22:58] i need to configure that [22:58] what is the inittd thing again? [22:58] change 3 to 4 [22:58] something...i forget [22:59] oldhp: 3 is CLI, 4 is KDM [22:59] oldhp: /etc/inittab [22:59] last time I watched someone try to boot ubuntu live CD on a box with only 256M of RAM, it took 20 minutes to boot, and it would crash after <30 seconds after the desktop appeared (crappy intel vid card, I had to try 5 different versions of the intel xorg driver under slack before I found one that'd work) [23:00] id use Absolute linux if not Slackware itself [23:01] what is absolute linux? 80 proof? [23:01] latest Absolute is designed to operate in 128mb ram machines [23:01] oldhp: with 256 MB RAM and a 700 MHz PIII you need to run Fluxbox [23:01] the silver label is 100 proof [23:01] you know what my favorite deb based distro is? Sidux [23:01] oldhp: run xwmconfig at some point. [23:01] it's way cooler than buntu [23:02] Unsichtbar (~asd93k@unaffiliated/appetite) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:02] in any case, I reverted back to blackbox on my P3. [23:03] ok changed my run level to 4 and my windows manager to fluxbox [23:03] rebooting time [23:04] you don't have to reboot [23:04] hello [23:04] im gonna get rid of buntu..idk what i'll put in its place..maybe just make it a storage partition for slack to stash some stuff [23:04] just "init q" will tell it to re-read inittab [23:04] why put anything in its place, use it for storage [23:04] does anybody have the xbox 360 controller working as a gamepad in slackware? [23:05] cteg_ (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-102-036.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [23:05] oldhp: or init 4 [23:06] too late, already rebooted [23:06] TriniTuX (clayton@cuscon124952.tstt.net.tt) left ##slackware. [23:06] but ill remember that..i hope [23:07] functionoverform: I think powtrix was using xbox controllers in Slackware [23:07] yes [23:07] mornin [23:07] hm, I've used a wii controller, and once got someone's ps/3 controller working for him [23:07] what's goin on powtrix [23:07] in order for me to actually use slackware i need to get online [23:07] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] powtrix: morning :) [23:07] I have a regular Xbox controller I made an adapter for a couple weeks ago. [23:07] well what would i need for a working xbox 360 controller [23:08] oldhp: and you have that pcmcia card, right? [23:08] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:08] yes [23:08] i have a pcmcia card and 2 different usb cards and ethernet [23:08] functionoverform: http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/xboxdrv/ [23:08] rworkman: re:libsoup that was the reason i decided not to use the screenshooter. i dont want to upload to zimagez (thats what libsoup is useful for) [23:08] blacklist xpad [23:08] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon124952.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [23:08] one of them must work! [23:09] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-097-124.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:10] fhobia: oops it looks like fn+f5 *does* enable back the card [23:10] ok iv finished rebooting for like the 100th time [23:11] functionoverform, does your gamepad is wireless or usb? [23:11] ha ha seems like my waiting threshhold of 1 second was too little [23:13] sahko: yeah, I was trying to be nice :) [23:14] What I wanted to say was: "It's insane to require a fucking http backend to build a screenshot capture tool" [23:14] i thought about making a feature request , but in the end i decided import works out nice too [23:15] although iirc my scrot() function cant be bound in xfce's keyboard shortcuts [23:15] got to investigate why at some point [23:15] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-68.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:15] i have both powtrix [23:15] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-68.fpscc.den.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [23:15] but i figure the usb one would be easier to configure [23:16] lol.. i imagine you'd need some type of special wireless interface for the wireless one [23:16] the wireless you will need a receiver pc [23:16] yeah, i've got usb [23:16] i downloaded the source of xboxdrv [23:16] wayport? paid wifi? [23:19] damn there's alot of dependencies from what i can see on the forums [23:19] sukaeto (~sukaeto@host75-54.student.udel.edu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:19] not alot [23:19] slackbuilds will help you [23:19] weird X won't respond to mouse input, but the mouse cursor still moves [23:20] is there a slackbuild for xboxdrv itself, or the dependencies [23:20] switch to VT and back fixed it though [23:20] deps I mean [23:21] sukaeto (~sukaeto@host75-54.student.udel.edu) joined ##slackware. [23:26] cteg_ (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-102-036.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [23:26] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-224-68.fpscc.den.wayport.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:28] I wonder what the ban count limit is for freenode. [23:28] i gotcha powtrix [23:28] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:28] i found a couple lists on forums for different distros [23:28] rworkman: btw since i *did* build the app (with libsoup support) yesterday, whats even more annoying is that zimagez requires you to have an acoount to upload the photo. although i have to admit i didnt try to "bypass" the input of the credentials. at that point, i gave up [23:29] but i can't seem to figure out what the deps are, from the xboxdrv website [23:29] functionoverform: you need scons only [23:30] oh really? [23:30] already got that a minute ago [23:30] try run it [23:30] is there a trick to switching to fluxbox or xfce? [23:30] and you just extract the bz2 and use scons for something? [23:30] xwmconfig doesnt seem to do anything [23:31] ah, so i just extracted it and typed scons [23:31] it appears to be going for it [23:31] install lsusb, scons [23:32] libusb* [23:32] and compile manually teh xboxdrv & run it [23:33] where in the ubuntu volume is the trash bin? [23:33] alright, i gotta grab libusb [23:33] i want to try compiling some pcmcia drivers that didnt work in buntu [23:33] but i ran scons already [23:34] install dbus-python too [23:34] slackware package [23:34] alright [23:37] powtrix: where's dbus-python? [23:37] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:38] i'm not finding it for slackware 13.0 [23:38] here slackware64/l/dbus-python-0.83.1-x86_64-1.txz [23:38] i'm slackware 32 [23:39] functionoverform: still in l/ [23:39] /slackware/slackware-current/slackware/l/dbus-python-0.83.1-i486-1.txz [23:39] how does one get to that location? [23:39] functionoverform: use a mirror? [23:40] is there a slackpkg? [23:40] yes [23:41] functionoverform: yes, you can use slackpkg [23:42] it keeps saying its not found [23:43] functionoverform: specify the entire path to the package (ftp://[mirror]/[pub]/etcetc [23:44] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:45] gh0st (~gh0st@c-67-182-57-230.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:45] functionoverform: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0 -> /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [23:45] johndee (~id@95-29-177-30.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [23:46] yeah, lemme check which mirror i'm set up for [23:47] slackpkg update && slackpkg search dbus-python [23:48] haha, it says its installed [23:49] edthix (ed@115.135.177.67) left ##slackware. [23:51] ok, so i've got it installed [23:51] and it identifies the controller [23:51] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:51] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.138) left irc: Quit: Bye [23:51] looks like i need uinput? [23:51] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.138) joined ##slackware. [23:51] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [23:52] yes as READ says [23:52] README* [23:54] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [23:54] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:56] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:56] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [23:58] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Sun May 23 2010