[00:02] http://linuxsociety.org/howto/kernelcompile/ [00:02] Kidpunkx\, what cpu you have ? [00:03] Dell Dimension 3000 ? [00:05] what processor is in it ? [00:06] Kidpunkx\: then I guess that means that you are not using a stock kernel, you are attempting to use a modified kernel and modified your bootloader [00:06] Kidpunkx\: according to that guide *AND* the slackware kernel .. HT *IS* compiled in the slackware kernel. [00:06] no [00:06] I'm using stock [00:06] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@173.51.68.43) joined ##slackware. [00:07] 2.6.27.7-smp [00:07] slackware version? [00:07] If you're running an SMP kernel then you don't have to do anything to enable HT (other than enable it at the hardware level)... [00:07] 12.2 [00:07] no it wasnt enable [00:07] LitesterB (n=Litester@CPE0050ba681424-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:07] i should have been running 2 core instead of one [00:07] hyperthreading isnt available in cpu's made after p4 [00:07] and my bios is messed up [00:07] it wont enable it [00:08] grazymax (n=grazymax@host233-153-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [00:08] Scuzz: Intel reintroduced it in Nehalem ;) [00:08] hrm [00:08] hold on le tme pastebin my /boot/vmlinuz [00:08] grazymax (n=grazymax@79.19.25.252) joined ##slackware. [00:08] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30D30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [00:09] Kidpunkx\: If it won't enable in the BIOS then you have to take it up with your BIOS/motherboard vendor. Enabling SMP is all you have to do to get HT to work, there's no distinction between multiple threads and multiple physical CPUs. [00:10] Kidpunkx\: can I ask you why you haven't applied the kernel patches? [00:10] as the current kernel in slackware-12.2 is 2.6.27.31 [00:11] BP{k} i should i will update it later on [00:11] as soon as i get this kernel panic fixed [00:11] LSD`, intels site even says p4 and xeon , nothing about core 2 duo [00:12] i have two hda1 and hda2 which one is the right one lol whats the comman [00:12] is it df -l [00:12] oh and what the fuck do you know .... 2.6.27.31 *IS* HT enabled .. [00:12] Scuzz: Core 2s didn't have it, I said Nehalem. That's Core i5, i7, the Gainestown Xeons, etc [00:12] Kidpunkx\: fdisk -l [00:12] oh sorry lsd [00:13] intersting [00:13] mfillpotthanks [00:14] BP{k} listen up read the pastebin maybe you could help me bypass this kernel panic [00:14] yep sure enough your right, i see the documentation now lsd [00:14] i thought it was gone for good [00:15] Scuzz: HT wasn't a bad idea in principle, Intel just botched the implementation because they tried to use it as a crutch for various architectural deficiencies in NetBurst. Even if we ignore Nehalem, other archs still used SMT to better effect than the P4. [00:15] i see [00:16] Kidpunkx\: gimme a link? [00:16] Kidpunkx\: looking at the 2.26.7 source, activating HT is just the matter of turning on one single option. [00:17] not this again [00:17] s/again/still/ [00:18] I have the same system. HT needs to be enabled in the bios and there is in fact and option to do so in the Dimension 3000 bios. His does not even display the option, or at least that is what he says [00:18] HT works fine out of the box on my D3K [00:18] Are we even sure his CPU supports HT? [00:19] yes it does [00:19] I went through all of this with him already once [00:19] what cpu is it antiwire ? [00:19] It is a P4 with HT flags in proc info [00:19] ... [00:20] again, I've already gone through all of this with him. [00:20] lol [00:20] the next step is to have Kidpunkx\ update his bios to A03 [00:20] using live cd how do oyu post on pastebin? [00:20] kik [00:20] lol [00:20] I have P4s that don't support HT but still have a ht flag in cpuinfo [00:20] then that is the problem with his system [00:21] I am 100% certain that if the cpu supports it, the D3K does. I have one. [00:21] Kidpunkx\: open a gui, open firefox then past into the pastebin.com site in firefox [00:21] Also, just so I'm up to speed, is HT sperated from SMP support now? [00:21] yes [00:21] the stock kernel has HT enabled already [00:21] His issue is not a Slackware issue, it is CPU or BIOS [00:22] no [00:22] i'm using slackware cd as a live cd [00:22] the current D3K bios is A03, try to update it. [00:22] where you type root [00:22] This bullshit is extremely frustrating, Kidpunkx\ [00:22] grazymax (n=grazymax@79.19.25.252) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [00:23] there is no need to curse we are all learning here [00:23] Kidpunkx\, do what he said , try updating the bios , if it still wont let you enable HT in the bios your cpu probably doesnt support it [00:23] Kidpunkx\: you can't use firefox or a gui on the slack boot cd [00:23] mfillpot its slackware 13.0 dvd [00:24] I lost my copy of 12.2 [00:24] Kidpunkx\: how many days now? I already went through ALL of this same nonsense with you and now you are dragging others through the same pointless exercises. This is not learning anymore. This is the definition of crazy, repeating identical operations over and over while expecting a different result. [00:25] Your issue is not the kernel. It is the CPU or the BIOS [00:25] Kidpunkx\: the slackware installation mediums do not have gui capabilities when being run as live, they can only be used to boot into an os or to use for cli based recovery, or you can use that BP{k} recommended as use the disk to boot from a kernel on the disk [00:25] Kidpunkx\: we are all learning yes, But you have a history of being extremely slow to learn. Besides this shit was going on since 2pm UTC and it's not 5:25 UTC. [00:25] wollw (n=wollw4@75-101-22-68.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [00:25] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC30D30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:25] s/not/now [00:25] wollw (n=wollw4@75-101-22-68.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [00:26] s/sed/irc [00:26] The stock kernel would allow you to see two virtual CPUs if your CPU and BIOS support it. [00:26] ok nevermind sorry to bother all of oyu [00:26] i'll just reconfigure lilo with slackware 13.0 [00:27] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:27] Kidpunkx\: the major issue is that you belives enabling HT was going to be hard, so the path you took made additional issues and made it harder than it needed to be, just modify lilo to use the stock boot files, then update your buis, enable the HT option [00:28] Kidpunkx\: simplicity is beautiful, usually the simplest solution is the best [00:29] Apparently, his bios does not even display the option which means that either the bios needs and update to A03 (which is what I have on my same system on which HT works fine) or if it is not the BIOS version it is his CPU that lacks HT support. [00:29] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:29] and/an [00:29] I agree [00:29] uh huh [00:29] ad LSD` noted, some CPUs will display HT flags but they are not actually enabled. [00:29] what the heck its always something stupid in slackware I just typed setup to reconfigure lilo and it wont do it [00:30] This is just pathetic at this point. [00:30] lol [00:30] will have to do it manually [00:30] lol [00:30] well with your trackrecord .. I am pretty confident it's not Slackware [00:30] Kidpunkx\: lilo is simple you can go is by modifying the files itself, depending on a tool to do the work for you leads to more issues [00:32] grazymax (n=grazymax@host83-22-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [00:33] Kidpunkx\: is you slackware install a fresh install, or is it an old installation? [00:33] mfillpot: old and unmaintained by the look of it. [00:33] old install [00:36] Kidpunkx\: then trying to use setup to fix lilo may cause more issues, from the live CD mount the filesyste and use vim to correct /etc/lil.conf [00:36] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-171-132.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [00:37] it honestly doesnt sound like its worth saving. Maybe best to start over [00:38] all that appear to be wrong with slack are the kernel and lilo.conf that Kidpunkx\ modified, if those can be fixed then slack is saved [00:38] i'm going to edit it [00:38] but now i cant even quit vim [00:38] so gay [00:38] Kidpunkx\: are you experienced with vim? [00:38] no i liek nano [00:39] Kidpunkx\: use :wq [00:39] mfillpothow do you quit [00:39] Kidpunkx\: ZZ [00:39] Kidpunkx\: : goes to command line mode, w means write and q means quit, so use :wq [00:40] Kidpunkx\: and don't forget to hit esc to move from the insert mode [00:41] Kidpunkx\: or you can use an ubuntu live CD to boot to a gui and edit in in gedit [00:41] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-171-132.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:42] wow! I cant believe who ever invented slackware is an idiot I'm all using wq /etc/lilo.conf and it fosen't exist [00:42] ok support stops here. [00:42] bye bye [00:42] agreed. [00:43] yep [00:43] Kidpunkx\: then I think you are dependant on assistive tools are destined to spend you time in ubuntu and windows [00:43] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:44] maduser (n=kevin@74.101.155.76) left irc: "Leaving" [00:44] one of my favorite quotes is "slackware only assumes that the user is smart" for alienBOB , if that assumption is incorrect then it is not the right tool for you. [00:44] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:45] got it [00:45] Kidpunkx\: you may be happier with ubuntu, sorry we couldn't help, but we tried everything [00:45] i hate ubuntu and definetely windows <--- lazy and pathetic people [00:46] Kidpunkx\, but you seem to blame slackware for your own ignorance [00:46] Kidpunkx\: as a word of wisdonm think of simple solutions in the future and your project will go smoother [00:47] anyway [00:47] has anyone in here used the sheeva plug ? [00:47] mfillpot man! I love slackware like it's my own child but I keep messing up [00:48] Kidpunkx\, you jsut asked if the guy who invented it ws an idiot [00:48] Kidpunkx\: if you can do a fresh install with slack 13 and you may be happier [00:48] so far you called Slackware gay and Patrick and idiot... [00:48] so what's the deal? [00:48] ... [00:48] antiwire: proof that Kidpunkx\ is an idiot? [00:48] sitwon (n=adam@pool-96-241-216-141.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:49] lol boo hoo [00:49] I can put up with the lame gay talk but Pat is far from being an idiot. [00:49] If you want real pain, play with qmail and vpopmail [00:49] so far I see my erorr [00:50] Image = /boot/2.6.27.7 <---- its not even linked like /boot/vmlinuz [00:50] Kidpunkx\: lol [00:51] ... [00:51] Kidpunkx\: this means that it goes back to my original statement, it was because of your modifcations to the kernel and/or lilo [00:51] the image spec line does not need to be a link. you can specify the kernel image itself. there is no need for that path spec to be a symlink. [00:51] so basically ln -s /boot/2.6.27.7 should do the trick [00:51] where's my fucking burrito..... [00:51] Why? [00:51] Just specify the file directly. [00:51] antiwirewhy not [00:52] you know .... I just found this on noobfarm... [00:52] brb [00:52] why not what? wtf? [00:52] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1234 [00:52] antiwire doesn't it need to be symlink [00:52] Kidpunkx\: it doesn't need to be a symlink. give the path directly to the image itself. [00:52] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [00:52] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@173.51.68.43) left irc: "End Of Line" [00:52] for fsck sake. [00:53] antiwire yeah let me see maybe it will work i hope [00:53] Scuzz: what i've seen of the sheeva plug,it's an interesting project [00:53] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [00:53] MLanden, yes it does [00:53] I hope not. I hope it doesn't work and when you reboot it panics and you don't comer back here. [00:54] That would be best. [00:54] MLanden, i might pick one up to play around with [00:54] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:54] Scuzz: cool [00:55] Someone had a demo unit of a sheevaplug at SE LinuxFest, and it *was* cool. [00:56] I've pondered evil activities which people could do with those things [00:56] rworkman, what services were they running ? [00:56] grazymax (n=grazymax@host83-22-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:56] this is even scarier http://www.linuxfordevices.com/files/misc/netsilicon_digiconnectme.jpg [00:56] grazymax (n=grazymax@79.9.159.16) joined ##slackware. [00:57] Scuzz: I don't know. The discussion I had was more focused on possible hardware combos with it (e.g. wireless card) [00:57] that rj45 jack is "The NetSilicon NS7520 SoC features a 32-bit ARM7TDMI core supporting clock rates of 36, 46, or 55MHz. Kleinhenz lists 55MHz as the clockspeed for Picotux. The NS7520 integrates a 10/100 Ethernet MII and ENDEC MAC, as well as a serial port, external memory controller, JTAG, and 13-channel DMA." [00:57] ahh [00:57] iv seen on the net people attaching usb to vga o nthem [00:57] all in an rj45 jack. talk about a nasty little bug [00:58] here's the rest of the info http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Linux-system-squishes-into-Ethernet-connector/ [00:58] I've *strongly* considered getting one to replace my firewall. [00:58] rworkman: how you doing? [00:58] they have so many uses [00:59] Panzer: not bad; how about you? [00:59] How's the shop going? [01:00] got some issues but on the whole not bad. [01:00] moving [01:00] Oh? [01:00] filibert1 (n=asd@190.142.148.231) joined ##slackware. [01:00] yes. Going to try to get something a bit different. Ended up living here [01:00] ick [01:00] yes [01:01] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [01:05] filibert1 (n=asd@190.142.148.231) left irc: Client Quit [01:06] so how is the wife and kid? [01:06] night,folks...take care [01:06] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-141-152-144-238.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Life is the greatest source...Seek it out and see how it compiles!" [01:07] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@173.51.68.43) joined ##slackware. [01:08] Panzer: a bit under the weather as of late, but all ok otherwise, I suppose [01:08] filiberto (n=asd@190.142.148.231) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:09] hmm. [01:09] rworkman: hope everyone feels better soon. :) [01:09] trying to find someone to go to the awful waffle [01:10] fire|bird: yeah, me too :) [01:13] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:17] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [01:23] Hey guys, what's the deal with XFT Dev libraries? [01:27] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC30D30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [01:30] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30D30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:31] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [01:32] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:32] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:32] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:32] corretico__ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [01:33] I can't seem to resume a stopped process :\ What do I do? I've already tried selecting "resume stopped process" :\ [01:33] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:34] linuxquestin (i=189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-zfhozwinexzyxfic) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [01:34] fg [01:35] if what you meant was "suspended" not sure what a stopped process is... [01:36] actually suspended isn't even accurate, more like backgrounded. [01:36] it says stopped, using the task manager like kde program [01:37] or "system activity" [01:37] pattwo (n=pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:37] so it was sent a SIGSTOP? [01:38] posibly, But I didn't tell it to. :\ [01:38] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.140.197) joined ##slackware. [01:38] hello slack brotherz! [01:38] oops, I forget, i am now an ubuntu user :P [01:38] try sending it a SIGCONT [01:39] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:41] fiyawerx_ (i=fiyawerx@174.54.144.240) joined ##slackware. [01:41] did that work? [01:42] corretico__ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:43] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [01:43] Kidpunkx (n=miguelba@adsl-235-218-28.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[02:05] hello [02:06] where can i find the wine 1.1.30 package? i have searched a lot of servers and the packages have been removed [02:06] tuxdev__ (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [02:07] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-55.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:08] anyone? [02:10] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [02:11] where can i find the wine 1.1.30 slackware package? i have searched a lot of servers and the packages have been removed [02:13] dood calm down [02:14] dont ask too often and wait, not a lot of activity now [02:15] ok [02:16] also, wine is up to 1.1.33 now [02:16] |mel| (i=1000@117.255.72.223) joined ##slackware. [02:16] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:17] vaibhav (n=landy@122.167.116.202) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:18] I think alien said he was going to update his package sometime.. [02:19] yes but 1.1.30 is the last version that depends on glibc 2.7.x [02:19] 1.1.31 and newer depend on glibc 2.9 [02:19] whatever "sometime" means [02:20] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [02:20] so you're after a compiled slackware package? [02:20] yes [02:23] that's interesting about the glibc change, that'll screw a lot of people... [02:24] i found out the hard way [02:24] mancha, or not, it's right there in my 13.0 [02:24] they could at least mention it in the release announcement [02:24] but no [02:24] it's not documented in their changelog? [02:25] the user has to find out by himself [02:25] no [02:25] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: [02:25] unless it is pervasive, you might be able to backport to the older glibc [02:26] tuxdev_ (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:26] depening on how comfortable you are with monkeying around in C code [02:26] ..that's not really a problem [02:26] vaibhav (n=landy@122.167.89.77) joined ##slackware. [02:27] or just upgrade glibc. it's not *really* that painful [02:27] i need a binary package [02:27] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:28] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:28] i use a LiveCD distribution i cannot do that i trirf it and everything got fucked up [02:28] tried* [02:28] nothing could be executed afterwards [02:29] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:30] the new version will use glibc 2.9 but we all have to wait for the 2.6.33 kernel release first [02:30] you're not abusing slax into a permanent install, are you? [02:30] no [02:30] live usage [02:30] it would take less time to compile it yourself than it is taking to find a binary package [02:31] i have a pentium iii [02:31] wine isn't actually that large.. relatively [02:31] it needs a lot of time and ineed it soon [02:31] i need* [02:31] help, ok if i get around to it i'll let you know, meanwhile keep looking [02:31] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:32] wollw (n=wollw4@75-101-22-68.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:32] It might take overnight, a weekend tops. And that's being *very* pessimistic [02:32] it has been removed from all the servers [02:33] whose servers? [02:33] when extracted the size is over 200 MB IIRC [02:34] all binary package servers [02:34] helpneeded: http://www.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=wine&submit=Search+... [02:34] helpneeded: there is the rpm package in that link...use the rpm and convert it to tgz using rpm2tgz [02:34] please don't [02:35] wollw (n=wollw4@75-101-22-68.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [02:35] ? [02:35] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-55.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:35] please what? [02:35] rpm2tgz has ton of problems due to incompatibilities between Fedora and Slackware systems [02:36] *yawn* [02:37] any other ideas? [02:37] helpneeded: any reason for that particular version of wine? [02:37] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:38] read the scroll [02:38] [09:19] yes but 1.1.30 is the last version that depends on glibc 2.7.x [09:20] 1.1.31 and newer depend on glibc 2.9 [02:38] mancha: got disconnected for a while [02:39] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.65.167) left irc: Success [02:42] i will try the conversion solution [02:44] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-436025.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:47] i did not [02:47] really, don't do that [02:47] RPM -> TGZ -> SLAX is rather painful [02:47] |mel| (i=1000@117.255.72.223) left ##slackware. [02:48] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host114-70-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:48] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [02:48] hello [02:49] one does not simply upgrade glibc [02:49] someone edited everything that had to be edited to run the latest version [02:49] yes [02:50] help, alternatively you can find a friend to compile the newest for you statically? [02:52] perhaps instead of using rpm2tgz, you could repackage it by hand? [02:52] elderK (n=zk@125-236-160-175.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "leaving" [02:53] spook, my current install sort of refutes that [02:53] then again, The Man did most of the heavy lifting there [02:55] no it is not required to do anything now [02:56] i tried the software, one application does not run properly and the other does not start [02:56] thank you all for helping and trying to help [02:57] tuxdev__: hmmm? you running -current? [02:57] well, I upgraded to 13.0 a bit while back [02:58] tuxdev__: yeah, well. did you ONLY upgrade glibc? [02:59] ..course not. [02:59] tuxdev__: or did you upgrade glibc plus all the packages linked against it? [02:59] I'm of the gentoo mindset that recompiling stuff really isn't a big deal [02:59] and that is why, one does not simply upgrade glibc [03:00] there's plenty of stuff on my system that doesn't link versioned [03:00] so in essence you were suggesting that the fella upgrade to slack 13 (or a large chunk) rather than find the right wine version for his libs? [03:00] how is that intelligent, please? [03:00] mancha: him or me? [03:00] him [03:00] mancha: tuxdev__ ? [03:01] and upgrading to slack 13 is a bad thing how again? [03:01] of course the whole livecd thing puts a nasty spin on everything [03:01] it is not a bad thing per se, but he was asking about a specific wine for his system. he clearly wasn't interested in upgrading to a new slackware for it [03:02] if you upgrade glibc, you should probably understand the implications of doing so. [03:02] Axius (n=ade@92.82.79.120) joined ##slackware. [03:02] and "just upgrade glibc" was bad advice. since it isn't trivial and can nuke his system [03:02] it's still not nearly as horrible as it's made out to be [03:02] helpneeded (i=55081596@gateway/web/freenode/x-tfnmakrbvnwuvela) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [03:03] otoh i bet you can fool the system to use a parallel set of solibs [03:03] tuxdev__: its very horrible when he is inexperienced enough to not know how to fix the things that you and I could when upgrading glibc [03:04] amitav (n=biki@117.197.246.169) joined ##slackware. [03:04] Axius (n=ade@92.82.79.120) left irc: Client Quit [03:05] amitav (n=biki@117.197.246.169) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [03:05] bash is linked against it (dynamically) so if he did upgradepkg on a live system he'd instantly be locked out [03:05] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC30D30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Client Quit [03:05] that really goes for everyone here, its not so much wether your advice is correct or will work, its wether the person you are advising understands why they are doing it, what can go wrong, and how they can fix anything that breaks. [03:05] and he'd come back 5 days later looking for restitution! heh [03:06] mancha, certainly. glibc is actually an normal executable that takes in another program to execute [03:06] ? [03:07] maybe we're talking about different things. i refer to the c libs and headers. [03:07] (gnu version) [03:07] yeah. It's pretty easy to use two different clib implementations at once [03:07] well, on the same system [03:08] though apparently my definition of "easy" is a bit skewed [03:08] tuxdev__: easy for you perhaps, but not for that guy. [03:08] oh you were reacting to my earlier about having two set of libs. got confused. [03:08] Advent (i=ehrgile@server1.bshellz.net) joined ##slackware. [03:08] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@server1.bshellz.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:08] Advent kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Stop wasting my oxygen. [03:08] i agree, it's doable and not too bad [03:09] pretty much mandatory if you do embedded stuff and want to test with ulibc [03:09] tuxdev__: well obviously. but how much embedded stuff do you think he had done? [03:10] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.207.180) joined ##slackware. [03:11] that's kind of non sequitur to the main issue [03:11] apropos ulibc, i like it. and my toolchain for it is tuned to perfection [03:12] tuxdev__: i'm not debating the validity of your solution, its very much valid. but wether it was the best thing for him to do, considering his experience. [03:12] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.36.12) joined ##slackware. [03:12] i am sorta pissed wine changed glibc and didn't mention itin the changelog though [03:12] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.22.222) joined ##slackware. [03:12] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.36.12) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:12] Axius (n=ade@92.82.79.120) joined ##slackware. [03:12] if true. i haven't checked myself....just going on that fella's comment. [03:13] well, wine might only really care that it uses the same glibc it's compiled with [03:13] not sure if the guy was referring to the actual source of the bins [03:14] ah i interpreted it to mean the code needed the newer libs [03:14] I do know that ulrich drepper would like all apps to link against glibc versioned [03:15] i have some interesting threads about ulrich [03:15] debian is moving away, for example. [03:15] retsudo (n=retsudo@unaffiliated/retsudo) joined ##slackware. [03:15] Axius (n=ade@92.82.79.120) left irc: Client Quit [03:15] doing so does eliminate some interesting issues, but at quite a bit of cost [03:15] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:17] i think ulrich didn't care to fix an arm bug because he believed it was only to satsify the "embedded crap" market [03:17] at which point all hell broke loose [03:17] sounds like classic ulrich to me [03:18] elliot98 (n=elliot@bzq-79-179-140-196.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [03:18] ulrich rates about second in devs I don't want to ever deal with [03:18] because he at least says some useful stuff sometimes [03:19] hyke (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:19] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:20] elemenohpee (n=raf@cpe-98-150-157-253.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:20] i've read that there are a couple of serious bugs in glibc that he also refuses to fix [03:21] tripFantastic: back again? [03:21] just awoke [03:21] not so much bugs as they are features [03:22] strfry *is* a toy function that should never, ever, appear in any real source [03:22] elemenohpee (n=raf@cpe-98-150-157-253.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:22] it was a joke [03:22] yep [03:24] plenty of other more serious things he refuses to take care of [03:25] unfortunately, glibc has a truck number of 1 [03:26] truck? [03:27] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-104-56-142.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:28] as in the number of people a truck has to mow over in order cause serious trouble to a project [03:29] k [03:29] wont anyone or corp fork glibc to fix it? [03:30] sure go for it. 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[06:09] :( [06:10] im having problems logging in with amsn anyone know of an issue [06:10] Got TLS? [06:10] I don't get it [06:10] elderK, should depend on what FS you have in the flash drives .. [06:11] I'm in plugdev, I'm in cdrom, I'm in users. [06:11] I have VFAT on teh drive, I also have the modules inserted :) [06:11] I /dont/ have anything in /media, no hiddenfiles. I dont have fstab entries for these devices either. [06:11] oobe: what's the problem exactly? [06:12] it wont log in [06:12] gyroscope (n=master@85.104.70.143) joined ##slackware. [06:12] elderK, you could add path in fstab, not the best solution but it will work [06:12] just says loggin in then does nothing [06:12] oobe: tried to close and re-open it?� [06:12] s/�// [06:12] yea all the obvious things [06:13] linXea__: Would it still work, if I used udev rules to wire the devices to specific /dev/ nodes? [06:14] I don't really get why it won't automount... you should reseach that more first but I guess the fstab thing will work.. no harm in trying anyways [06:14] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-169.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:14] I dont really know why else i twotn work [06:14] I mean, everything picks up. [06:14] udev, dbus, hal. [06:15] the media manager and notifier are both running [06:15] I'm without a clue. [06:15] :/ [06:15]