[00:00] it all depends on the layout, the chipset, the hardware, etc. [00:00] anyone knows of a tutorial to configure hal and X? [00:00] well GPU wise [00:00] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-90-126.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:00] Kumool: did you read the changes and hints? [00:00] i've nev er had problems with ati graphics cards [00:00] hal should automaticly be configured shouldnt it? [00:00] Hey Toast [00:00] hi [00:00] did you check out my slackbuild? [00:00] :D [00:00] antiwire: nop, nothing really [00:00] My first one [00:00] I haven't bought an ati vid in years tho [00:00] i nsaw it [00:00] but speaking of slackbuilds [00:01] heh [00:01] read changes and hints because if you don't and you ask about X and hal it becomes pretty clear that you didn't read the docs [00:01] it woreks [00:01] works* [00:01] fatalnix: how do i automatically configure hal? [00:01] you know the moc slackbuilds broken [00:01] well atleast for me it was [00:01] kymool I'm not sure, I didnt know you had to [00:01] moc? [00:01] i had to patch the source then rebuild it with tthe slackbuild [00:01] i mean X [00:01] music on console [00:01] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "after having made my way home via boat it is time to rest..." [00:01] ah [00:02] hm. I was able to just re-use my old xorg.conf (using the nvidia proprietary driver) [00:02] fatalnix: all iv seen is a configure script that asks you questions and sorts of configure X, but not really how it should or usable by me [00:02] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-90-126.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:02] without the xorg.conf, it didn't do a great job auto-configuring (I ended up with 800x600 resolution on a 1680x1050 LCD panel) [00:03] like hal-setup-keymay or something? [00:03] I really dont think hal needs to be configured. [00:03] but I could be wrong. [00:03] fatalnix: if it doesnt then why doesnt X work? [00:03] hal will feed X what it thinks is correct. if that doesn't work for you, create your own xorg.conf or use fdi files [00:04] it does, i mean its the only explanation i could find for x not working [00:04] for the ati card i just ran ati-config all that you seem to need is the section that specifies the drivers [00:04] antiwire: exactly, i need a doc or a tut that tells me how to use fdi files [00:04] errordeveloper (n=errordev@nat67.mia.three.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:05] firedix (n=firedix@host12.201-252-148.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [00:05] Kumool: you're still not reading changes and hints are you? [00:05] now what you really want [00:05] is a Xena 2k video card [00:05] they rock [00:05] or a good Matrox [00:06] why not just a intel gpu [00:06] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-90-126.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:06] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-90-126.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:07] Kumool: did you even try to create your own xorg.conf? [00:07] antiwire: k k going to right now [00:07] antiwire: course [00:07] how did you do it? [00:07] manually doing it [00:07] did you try xorgsetup? [00:07] of course? [00:07] wait wait wait [00:07] .... [00:07] superGear, Because ATI and NVidia where first and thus are better. [00:07] reading the man X,xorg.conf etc etc [00:08] antiwire: yes [00:08] of course...you read the docs right? of course you tried xorgsetup right? [00:08] antiwire: that was the head start, then everything else i configured it [00:08] antiwire: of course [00:08] I ask these questions because they are certainly not "of course" facts for me. especially considering that you didn't read any docs [00:08] it's not of course. [00:09] yeah, back then, Diamond were awesome cards [00:09] "of course" would mean you, out of normal course, read the docs... [00:09] antiwire: Xorg works, but if i dare go to VT1-7 hal will screw up all the devices [00:09] thus a blank screen kb and mouse [00:09] me asking you what you have done is not answered with "of course". [00:09] all devices [00:09] antiwire: of course [00:09] as if I should know what you have done [00:09] xD [00:09] good luck [00:10] I want a media converter for my ipod, is there good one? [00:10] dimm0k (n=dimm0k@71.183.182.80) joined ##slackware. [00:10] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.1.171) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:10] anyone get transparency working in slackware 13.0 and kde? [00:10] what are the usual opts to mplayer to play flv? [00:10] dyforc: mencoder, transcode, ffmepg, between all of those you should be able to convert what you want [00:11] Quiznos: usually no options are needed to just play them [00:11] Quiznos: mine just does it [00:11] kk [00:11] mplayer file.flv # works for me [00:11] Stop ! Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, ere the other side he see. [00:11] ok i need a decoder then [00:11] ffmpeg handles flv [00:11] (and mplayer IIRC comes with its own modified ffmpeg library, so you don't need to install it separately) [00:11] vlc also [00:12] ffmpeg "cant find suitable output format" [00:12] vlc most likely uses ffmpeg to handle flv files, the same as mplayer does [00:12] ffplay has joy!!! [00:12] though vlc probably uses the system-wide ffpmeg [00:12] ty [00:12] no vlc on 12.2 stdly [00:12] Quiznos: odd. Does your mplayer play anything at all? [00:13] yes [00:13] i'll upgrade the essentials tho [00:13] am sort of curious now... is there a link to that flv file that it failed to play? [00:13] nop [00:13] (cause I use it to play and/or rip audio from flv files all the time, with no issues) [00:14] but pretty much all the flv files I deal with, come from the same place (youtube) [00:14] but i've had this prob for a while; usually i find opts that do the trick: (fbxine/mplayer) for one of the output devs they can handle [00:14] yea [00:14] site source isnt the prob; it's the internal file format version i think [00:15] but when viewing w/in bowser, there's rarely ever a prob [00:16] well I just meant, all the flv files from youtube were probably all created with the same software [00:16] yea [00:16] (or anyway have been transcoded/filtered/whatever by youtube) [00:16] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [00:17] i've seen the author's site who sells the converter; interesting stuff [00:17] well, one guy's site [00:17] mencoder works for me :) [00:18] here too; but i dont want multi-files of same movie [00:18] brb [00:19] nullify_ (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [00:19] 2.6.30.5 kernel in testing directory leads to kernel panic on my laptop [00:19] ACPI related [00:19] sells the... wait, what? [00:19] nullify (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:20] it panics on boot and you can tell it was from acpi? [00:20] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [00:20] antiwire: yea, it stuck on boot while dealing acpi issues [00:21] dyforc, if you are sure, you can always turn ACPI off >.> [00:21] imo [00:21] mancha, sup? [00:22] jescis: i'd like to try the lastest kernel :) [00:22] Quiznos: just out of curiosity, what's the output when you `file your.flv` ? [00:22] hey, whois Bubba Ganoosh? [00:22] lol [00:22] or maybe it's Baba [00:23] ``Macromedia Flash Video'' is the usual answer (12.2/file & magic) [00:23] Baba ghanoush? [00:23] eggplant, right? [00:24] maybe? whodat? i recall hearing it as a child [00:24] it's a dish [00:24] lol k [00:24] hang on [00:24] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_ghanoush [00:24] i thought it was polish granma [00:24] no, it's Arabic :P [00:24] ty [00:24] rofl [00:24] very tasty, iirc [00:24] hmm, wonder where i heard that [00:25] kool [00:25] it's like hummus, you dip pita into it [00:25] ah; i like humus [00:25] i've made it myself [00:25] humus [00:25] mine is very spicy [00:26] yes, hummus is good and fattening [00:26] nods [00:26] is quiznos doing irc advertising now ? [00:26] lol [00:26] nah [00:26] wheres the subway bot ??? [00:26] awol [00:26] I went to the mall today and the Quiznos was missing. [00:26] Nick change: fire|bird -> subway [00:26] totally offtopic but anyways [00:26] hello fhobia [00:26] :D [00:26] lol [00:27] Nick change: subway -> fire|bird [00:27] there's one across the strip mall from a BIG bread cafe [00:27] Panera bread [00:27] fo0d and wifi [00:27] cofee too [00:27] Nick change: jescis -> italian_village [00:27] lol [00:28] I'm now a local pizza joint ;) [00:28] they should just have fat IV pumps [00:28] With that nick change, I should now have 95 different nicks that I've changed to. :D [00:28] lol [00:28] kool [00:28] to pump you full of grease [00:28] /nick Schlotzskys_Deli [00:28] :p [00:28] lol [00:28] i miss nyc delis [00:28] i've given my pounds of flesh working in those joints [00:29] Nick change: italian_village -> jescis [00:29] damn, now I'm wanting a barbeque chicken pizza from Schlotzsky's -_- [00:29] heh [00:30] :D [00:30] I wonder how much collective weight is in this channel [00:30] i registered on Denny's to recieve a 20% off coupon for anything from there menu. [00:30] i've gotten two so far [00:30] if we measured all our asses and put the measurements together, would it reach across North America? [00:31] godling: I stopped looking at mine when I overcame the space shuttle's weight (on earth) -_- [00:31] nah [00:31] bamerh is talking to letterman [00:31] quasar: bs [00:32] bamerh? [00:32] Kumool (n=Monevo@adsl-72-50-74-135.prtc.net) left irc: "sleep" [00:32] a clear sign of disgust :) [00:32] godling: not so.. my moobs are larger than most chick's boobs.. won many bets on it too [00:32] heh [00:32] quasar: gross liftoff weight of the spaceship is 240,000 lbs [00:32] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:32] mingdao (n=mingdao@unaffiliated/mingdao) left irc: "leaving" [00:32] Nick change: jescis -> CiCi [00:33] my moobs are made of muscle [00:33] here's a trivia question for shuttle buffs; ready? [00:33] godling: you should see my house when I go to the bathroom.. it tilts when I cross the center line. [00:33] What is the registered weight of software on the Shuttle? [00:33] since every piece of equipment must be registered [00:33] mingdao (n=mingdao@unaffiliated/mingdao) joined ##slackware. [00:33] i've grabbed quasar's moobs thinking he was a woman [00:33] Lennard Skinner on Letterman [00:34] Skynyrd [00:34] Lynyrd [00:34] quit while you're ahead. ;P [00:34] Lyrynd Skynyrd on Letterman [00:34] I serve a buffett for $5 with the best one that even Pizza Hut can't touch ;) [00:34] heh [00:34] lol CiCi [00:34] Nick change: CiCi -> jescis [00:34] old white men on stage :) [00:34] CiCi: please dont say the spinach pizza.. I will find you.. and kill you. [00:34] is cici's good ?? [00:34] duno [00:35] jeev, yep [00:35] quasar heh [00:35] be near a bathroom when you are done eating [00:35] jeev: half of them here are.. the other half suck [00:35] anywa, im trying to eat less, i'm uncontrollable around food [00:35] that's good jeev [00:35] restrict calorical intake [00:35] nearest cici's is 20 miles away [00:35] then 130 miles [00:35] first went to one in virginia, and then to one in memphis ;) [00:35] that you know that is disturbing enuf [00:35] Quiznos, i go to the gym but...... [00:36] gym isnt necesa [00:36] basketball doesn't do anything when you eat an entire cake [00:36] just reduce volume [00:36] of food consumed [00:36] my birthday cake last year was [00:36] i dunno if you guys have had it, it's the yellow, persian ice cream.. it's like rose water [00:36] it was an entire cake for like 40 servings made out of it [00:36] heh [00:36] it was the hottest thing on earth [00:36] it was delish, everyone died when they tried it. my girlfriends cousin made it for me [00:36] http://www.mashtimalone.com/ [00:37] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:37] hahah mel gibson is in there, how funnies [00:37] one of my sisters used to bake a banana nut cake for me. it was years ago but it was so awesome [00:37] http://www.mashtimalones.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=240&Category_Code=250 i think that's it [00:37] saffron rose water [00:37] why didn't you die when you tried it? [00:37] :( [00:37] bc i dont talk death [00:38] it's eggageratin [00:38] godling, :D lol [00:38] Quiznos: talking to jeev [00:38] i think he's talking to me [00:38] pff [00:38] i didn't die cause mossad wasn't working there poisoning people then blaming the iranians [00:38] irwrongian? [00:38] afghanicantstandit? [00:38] jeev: wow, I have never seen so much off topic random stuff seap from a single source [00:39] my friend just showed me a pdf of a scanned course catalog from my school's cs department, circa 1987 [00:39] someone else asked me mfillpot! [00:39] pascal and fortran are on the menu [00:39] godling, html 101 ? [00:39] html beta 0.1 1101 [00:39] godling i have found a cobol source file on my fs [00:39] heh [00:39] fortran was cool [00:39] IBM was amazing back then and still is. [00:40] there's a new implementation of fortran too [00:40] of course [00:40] its been actively developed since the 60's or whatever [00:40] nods [00:40] is ibm producing CPu's anymore? [00:40] Nick change: jescis -> ibm_sucks_and_Ap [00:40] duno [00:40] I dont think so [00:40] i thought for ps3 or somethin [00:41] they have AIX unix though [00:41] Nick change: ibm_sucks_and_Ap -> jescis [00:41] and they are friendly to open source [00:41] etc [00:41] now that's kool [00:41] that ibm joined the party [00:41] Action: jescis keeps coming up with nicks too long to be made :( [00:41] beans43 (n=mofo333@cpe-98-155-141-248.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:41] actually, that internal linuxers convinced the board of dirs to accept the policy change [00:42] If only AT&T didnt get in shit [00:42] we might actually have seen much better tech today [00:42] itll come along [00:42] Quiznos: did it smell of brimstone when you opened it? [00:42] opened what? [00:42] the cobol source file [00:42] lol; no; 1990 date [00:42] its for a calculator [00:43] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [00:43] crpa have to move my laptop [00:43] a cobol calculator app sweet! [00:43] yep [00:43] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:44] jes you wnt a dcc cp? [00:45] I'd think using an Altair 8800 would be weird using BASIC in :\ [00:45] get an emulator [00:46] it just had blinking leds :\ [00:46] nods :) [00:46] and switches... i guess [00:46] yep [00:47] so how would you know you had bad or good code? [00:47] if the translator doesnt barf [00:47] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [00:47] or interpreter [00:48] good morning [00:48] hi [00:48] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [00:48] Quiznos, I think I'll stick with the Apple ][ line >.> [00:48] k [00:48] replay (n=replay@69.26.224.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:49] ] [00:49] jescis the 65816 gives me a mental wo0dy [00:49] lol [00:49] is there a way to test my graphical login manager without shutting down my computer? [00:49] run it and switch to tty to kill it [00:50] Reticenti: jump out of X [00:50] that'd be the Apple IIGS ;) [00:50] jescis yea [00:50] I only have an Apple IIe with a 65c02 ;) [00:50] re jescis [00:51] 65816 + a meg or more + usb. multiple cards ad hoc lan net; all tawking to each other. instant beowulf [00:51] godling: I just exited X, (ctrl-alt-backspace) and when i startx, it doesnt use the graphical login [00:51] xdm isntead of startx [00:51] ah [00:51] or kdm or gdm [00:52] Quiznos, that is if he installed gdm/gnome ;) [00:52] yea [00:52] ah, thanks [00:52] (i'm using slim) [00:52] yw [00:53] you're already logged in though, why would you want a 2nd login? [00:53] when I ran it, I had to run it as root, will this be a problem when I restart/ [00:53] nah [00:53] start it manwilly [00:53] that's allways better IMO [00:53] leave my manwilly alone. [00:53] ew [00:53] ok [00:53] I do that all the time [00:53] why would I want to login as root via command line, then run slim and login as my user? [00:54] no idar [00:54] idear [00:54] no, why would you want to login, kill x and want a 2nd login if you decide to start x again [00:54] manwill resource management [00:55] i'm 90% console user [00:55] thats why [00:56] can do more through the console then through X ;) [00:56] higher productivity quotient [00:56] but IRC kills that quotient [00:57] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [00:57] Quiznos, you don't use irc client on a console? [00:57] redtricycle (n=redtricy@69.105.1.213) joined ##slackware. [00:57] yes [00:57] bx [00:58] how does it kill the quotient? [00:58] why not irssi? [00:58] dyforc (i=dca354f3@gateway/web/freenode/x-dvebcfqydvjhthuf) left ##slackware. [00:58] jescis it disables one's sense of time and need to do other things [00:58] Reticenti habit [00:58] i see [00:59] ah, I see... like playing video games or watching videos [00:59] nods [01:00] my bx here is confed pretty well, i even have a script that automagicaly logs everything i write and w.e. it sees [01:00] you're all logd :) [01:00] :ohnoes: [01:00] ITC we learn Quiznos is the FBI [01:00] sweet! [01:00] you have a script for that? [01:00] irssi does that automagically [01:00] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:00] yep [01:01] godling: most irc clients do [01:01] indeed [01:01] bitchx doesn't? [01:01] but i think bx is the most prorgammable internally [01:01] probly [01:01] not out of the box [01:02] apparently Quiznos is too lame to read BitchX.doc [01:02] (not my words) [01:02] yep [01:02] maybe without using /set to setup everything ;) [01:02] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [01:02] godling: s/to read BitchX.doc// :P [01:02] i cleaned up the msg files alittle years ago - so it's not as rood [01:03] I configured everything in the config file [01:03] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:03] I edited the nickserv script (from irssi.org) to allow ghosting [01:03] very useful [01:03] nods [01:04] auto-ghost? [01:04] yes, just /ghost and it handles everything else [01:05] did you make sure the streams dont cross when you deal with ghost? [01:05] kool [01:05] it was useful when I had Verizon DSL [01:05] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [01:05] Quiznos, does BitchX have a script that uses amarok(or any other app) to display what you listening to, without modifying it? [01:05] I was always disconnected because there were line issues [01:06] i dont here; it might exist tho [01:06] how can I see examples of the fonts int /usr/share/kdb/consolefonts? [01:06] s/int/in [01:06] manually [01:06] using setfont [01:06] woooo [01:07] there's no easier way? [01:07] hackedhead_ (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [01:07] nafaik [01:07] Action: jescis keeps having to re-edit the script off the irssi script page :\ [01:07] maybe there's a gui frontend to see/make those font files [01:07] chk freshmeat [01:08] quick, poll [01:08] how many of you drink water from the tap ? [01:08] me [01:08] coffee [01:08] \o_ [01:08] hrmf [01:08] straight from the tap? no.. filtered from the tap? yes [01:08] Quiznos drinks unfiltered from tap! [01:08] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:09] I raised my hand too :( [01:09] he also drinks milk unfiltered from the udder [01:09] ew nop [01:09] o_O [01:10] oh, that was a hand raise? [01:10] i drink water from the tap [01:10] lol milk unfiltered from the udder [01:10] lol [01:10] or boobages [01:10] heh [01:10] thats called unpasteurized [01:10] only if they're unvaccinated [01:11] My step mom does that from a goat ;) [01:11] its still unpasteurized, pasteurization is a heat treatment [01:11] didn't think pasteurization had anything to do with filtering :) [01:11] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:11] jescis: for money? [01:11] jescis, before or after the show ? [01:11] or during [01:11] obnauticus (n=l@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] godling, for personal intake and money... [01:12] pasterizations for wimps that live too far to get it fresh ;) [01:13] lol [01:13] actually, the process of pasteurization does check for trace amounts of blood and other such stuff in the milk.. if any is found the milk is discarded, so I guess you could say it is filtered in that sense [01:13] and it kills all the bacteria taht can kill you [01:13] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [01:13] Hey [01:13] they make Ice Cream and Yogurt from it too ;) [01:14] hi [01:14] but there's still pus and crap [01:14] it's just sterilized [01:15] quasar: ^^ [01:15] Quiznos: currently trying this: http://freshmeat.net/projects/psftools [01:15] wimps all of ye ;p [01:15] k [01:15] it says it lets me edit fonts, which shouild mean I should be able to view them [01:15] jescis: I don't like drinking pus. :P [01:15] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [01:15] i'll let you know how it goes [01:15] kool; ok [01:16] but no viewer in pkg? [01:16] i couldnt find one [01:17] godling, I dopn't know... is there pus in all milks or just cow? and is that another name for wae or curds? [01:17] Action: jescis probably mispelled it too -_- [01:17] check for a gui tool; maybe xv can do it [01:17] I suppose any animal that gets any kind of infection will have that crap end up in their milk [01:17] ask little miss muffet [01:18] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:18] mancha, lol [01:18] jescis: whey is produced by people [01:18] curds are produced by people [01:18] :P [01:18] it's basically just immature cheese [01:18] there are somatic cells (which is found in pus) .. but it by itself isn't pus [01:18] seriously immature cheese [01:19] you'll find that in human breast milk as well :) [01:19] curds and whey is produced by all female animals... If a person can do it, so can a cowe or goat >.> [01:20] curds and whey are produced by people. it's part of cheese making [01:20] Quiznos: the tool I found is for converting the psf fonts to "normal fonts" [01:20] ok [01:20] soso im going to convert to normal and view that way :P [01:21] you can make cheese out of goat milk [01:21] My Dad's done it. [01:21] any milk [01:21] Reticenti a simple script in a loop and [cr] prompt to cycle fonts til ^C [01:21] yeah [01:21] roquefort is sheep's milk, mozzarella is water buffalo milk [01:21] jescis: yes, you can [01:21] echo a string a..z within loop [01:22] Instained_Atom, that's interesting :o [01:22] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [01:23] bbs [01:23] jescis: you asked if pus was another name for curds and whey, I was just telling you that curds and whey aren't produced naturally by animals. I don't understand the contention, I guess. [01:23] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:24] maybe our animals don't have pus? [01:24] i think we're all just speculating here, for a definitive answer we need ask little miss muffet [01:24] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:25] or they take care of that when straining it and everything :\ [01:25] most cows in the US are treated with rbst [01:26] mancha, I'll tell my step mom she's a little miss muffit ;) [01:26] if she a milf [01:26] is [01:26] jescis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk#Controversy [01:27] jescis: cows can get something called mastitis, which is an infection of the udder. [01:27] Quiznos: the program i installed is kinda weird, so I'm going to worry about it [01:27] quasar: infection sites usually produce pus :P [01:29] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-152-34-93.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:29] woot!!! Slackware subscription DVD in the mailbox today!!! [01:29] godling, but we're talking goats that my step mom milks... they have no cows >.> [01:30] godling: if they're infected they're still milked, but the milk is disposed of instead of sterilized/etc [01:31] is it just me, or is freshmeats search really buggy? [01:31] damn what a weird cow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebu [01:32] quasar: where did you read that? [01:32] i'm 26 today:P [01:33] it's logical that you wouldn't send infected milk to the market, sterilized or not.. probably a law.. but I didn't read it.. I've worked on a dairy farm [01:33] juice: congratulations youngster [01:34] and happy birthday [01:34] quasar: logic isn't always profitable [01:35] juice, happy b-day :) [01:35] but I don't think logic's got anything to do with it. :) [01:35] dairy farms aren't usually very big.. to be caught sending such milk to the market would be murder for them.. [01:35] lol thanks [01:35] juice needs to be kicked 26 times [01:35] heh [01:35] Action: deco kicks juice [01:36] that's 1 [01:36] Action: superGear kicks juice in the groin [01:36] that's 2 [01:36] Action: jescis kicks juice [01:36] that's 3 [01:37] Action: alisonken1noc kicks juice [01:37] four [01:37] has anyone here used astaro security? [01:37] suprised we got 4 kicks [01:37] nope [01:37] Action: fire|bird kicks juice [01:37] 5 kicks! [01:38] go go go! [01:38] 21 more :| [01:38] jescis: Besides serving as a beverage or source of food, milk is used by farmers and gardeners as an organic fungicide and foliage fertilizer. The potassium, fats, and salts naturally found in milk are absorbed by the leaves, which boost the plant's immune system, helping it to fight off diseases and fungi. Farmers, especially those who maintain grape vineyards, have tested a diluted milk solution in the past, and have found it to be [01:38] Happy Birthday juice. :) [01:38] perhaps one day they will be able to grow cheese and wine on the same vine [01:38] too bad an OP wasn't here to do the real kick [01:39] slackboy: will do the last kick ;-) [01:39] Instained_Atom, kick juice [01:39] deco: If an op was around to control slackboy, then that could happen. :P [01:39] Action: neonflux kicks juice [01:39] 6 kicks! [01:39] Action: Instained_Atom kicks juice [01:39] 7 kicks! [01:40] fire|bird: what ever , you always have to ruin it :P [01:40] 19 more! [01:40] deco: lol [01:40] \o/ go go! [01:40] juice, kick yourself [01:41] ah well [01:41] we got 7 [01:41] that's more than i thought we would get [01:41] lol [01:41] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static195097104200.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:41] The-Croupier: kick juice [01:41] quasar: that's anecdotal. anyways, most dairys just don't use rbst :) [01:41] The-Croupier: do what the bird says! :D [01:41] morning everyone [01:42] hi [01:42] deco: you got that right. :P [01:42] godling, kick juice [01:42] obnauticus (n=l@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:42] hiya firebird, deco [01:42] The-Croupier: kick juice it's his bday [01:42] The-Croupier: hi [01:42] obnauticus (n=l@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:42] Action: The-Croupier kicks juice [01:42] 8 [01:42] yay! thats 8 [01:42] 8 kicks \o/ [01:42] The-Croupier: we need to total 26 kicks [01:42] superGear: who's juice? [01:42] mine is tomorrow [01:43] yay 8 kicks! [01:43] godling: a user in here. :P [01:43] godling, ^ read [01:43] 22:43 -!- ##slackware You need to be a channel operator to do that [01:43] and it's his B-Day [01:43] fire|bird: im scared of big birds like you :P [01:43] I tried [01:43] type /me kicks juice [01:43] godling: /me kicks juice <---type that [01:43] the action kick :P [01:43] :P [01:43] pm someone to kick him ;) [01:43] godling: YOU IDIOT. :P [01:43] godling, not from the channel XD [01:43] heh [01:43] fire|bird: you need to work on your sense of humor. [01:44] 22:43 -!- ##slackware You need to be a channel operator to do that [01:44] lol, [01:44] crap [01:44] sorry [01:44] godling: What's that? :P [01:44] http://www.altadenadairy.com/milk-case-abuse.html [01:44] firebird lol [01:44] meant to post that ^^ [01:44] you are an outlaw if you use milkcrates to hold stuff [01:44] obnauticus, type /me kicks juice [01:44] /me kicks juice [01:44] sweet! [01:44] didn't work [01:45] godling: I'm not saying there's absolutly no chance milk could contain pus, I'm saying the chance is so slim that it's nothing to worry about and to be running around trying to scare people into not drinking milk because you think they're drinking milk deserves a big sticker that says "PeTA Supporter" since they're the primary backer of this scare tactic [01:45] godling no spaces [01:45] or ctrl+J [01:45] s/milk/pus [01:45] quasar: I don't support PETA. [01:45] superGear, really? ctrl+j? [01:45] If you notice I said that most dairy farms don't use rBST with their cows. [01:45] if using mIRC [01:46] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/22/linus_torvalds_linux_bloated_huge/ [01:46] which i hope godling isn't using [01:46] quasar, that milk with pus and blood some girl in my oral communications class did a speech on that... like 5 years ago [01:46] Action: jescis hates PETA >:( [01:46] I doubted it to be true [01:46] Wikipedia confirms my speculations, saying that only 22% of all dairy farms in the US use rBST with their cows. [01:46] but it made me not want to drink milk lol [01:46] PETA wants us to eat vat-grown meat. [01:46] linux is bloated everyone should use netBSD [01:46] superGear /me kicks juice is the safiest whatever he is using [01:46] but I am eating ice cream now [01:46] :P [01:46] homemade ice cream at that [01:47] superGear: I think I mentioned earlier that I am using irssi. [01:47] I am just pulling your chains. earlier I just used /say :P [01:47] godling, /me kicks juice with no space in the front [01:47] agh. "Windows usually gets the bad wrap for bloat,".... that's supposed to have been written by a professional journalist? The phrase is "bad rap"... [01:47] bloody idiots relying on bloody stupid spell checkers [01:47] no bad wrap! [01:48] urchlay, you fogot a c in front of the rap :p [01:48] they wrapped Windows with bad wrapping paper [01:48] godling: most dont because milk is considered by most to be 'organic' .. putting chemicals into cows (through injection, pestacides, or any other means) changes that perspective for a lot of those who share that belief [01:48] Well, if it isn't watery|accordions [01:48] er, Urchlay [01:48] The-Croup, i wonder if tannenbaum is smiling [01:48] hey, that was a good one. Makes me think of the old Lawrence Welk show [01:49] even controlling the weed population in the pasture is frowned upon where I worked [01:49] looks like you guys are looking good today, very happy about that... [01:49] Urchlay is old? [01:49] Urchlay: You didn't capitalized Agh, and you abuse the ellipsis. You criticize someone for misusing a colloquialism? [01:49] i mean OLD [01:49] anybody he hasn't kicked juice do it now! :D [01:49] Action: The-Croupier is happy the channel is chattey [01:49] *capitalize [01:49] who hasn't* [01:49] I'm not old enough that I *liked* that show [01:49] errordeveloper (n=errordev@nat67.mia.three.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:50] godling: heh, I'm not getting paid to have my IRC chatter published on a (presumably) reputable news site [01:50] I don't think anyone in this channel has enough rope to string up anyone who uses bad grammar. :P [01:50] There, got slim set. Now to build midori from git. [01:50] godling, this is IRC not a news site [01:50] bad grammar is expected here [01:50] accept when used properly! [01:51] Yes, I do expect it. ;P [01:51] godling, no... just enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot ;) [01:51] I write C code for my own use, that doesn't check the return value of printf()... but I'd expect someone doing it for money to do it the right way [01:51] such as: I CAN HAS STDIO? [01:51] Urchlay: Did you pay that person to write the article? [01:51] Nick change: bolide_ -> bolide [01:51] :P [01:51] nah [01:52] doesn't change the principle of the thing though [01:52] Then leave the whinging to the British. [01:52] :P [01:52] makes the author and the site look unprofessional [01:52] he is british i thought [01:52] oh, he is? [01:52] My mistake, then. Carry on. [01:52] if you're going to insult windows, you have to do it properly, to be taken seriously [01:52] leave the british alone, they have enough problems by themselves...;) [01:53] eh, no, not British, I just watch too much Monty Python and Dr. Who [01:53] urchlay,,,classsic [01:53] oh he's in Georgia or smthin [01:53] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [01:53] Urchlay, ever heard of the book - "enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot"? [01:53] sorry, im having some lagging problems... [01:53] just as bad [01:53] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:53] superGear: yeah, the one in the US, not the one in the former USSR [01:53] urchlay, windows is an insult by itself...no need to add more [01:54] Urchlay, Oh i thought comcast was in the former USSR [01:54] superGear: no, but their TOS and policies might be inspired by the minutes of Politburo meetings... [01:55] im a little concerned about the linux-kernel getting huge and bloated, what is going to happen in the future? hope there are not more bugs then ever..on the other hand, people do compile their own most of the time...but how about those who use the default? their fate is a little...ehem... [01:55] Action: jescis has a friend who works at comcast >.> [01:55] The-Croupier, if they're using the default isn't it mostly modules? :) [01:55] The-Croupier: that's why I use modular and suffer with an initrd :) [01:56] bolide: default is huge, not generic [01:56] The-Croupier: there will be forks [01:56] suffer? [01:56] damn kdepim won't build [01:56] using an initrd is wholly unacceptable [01:56] alisonken1home, ah, wouldn't know.. that's the first thing I do upon a clean install [01:56] superGear: ask the kde expert fire|bird for help :P [01:56] is it that hard to include your rootfs? [01:57] color me mildly impressed: X + HAL actually worked on my laptop without xorg.conf, even 3D works (as well as it ever did on that POS) [01:57] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-98-244-105-92.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [01:57] fire|bird said he won't help me [01:57] superGear: lol [01:57] superGear, im sure he will if you kick juice a couple of hundred times...;) [01:57] nah - juice only needs about 19 more kicks [01:58] The-Croup, yes bloat is bad, mmost will agree. the important question is not agreeing about that...it is what do you suggest is the alternative? [01:58] minix [01:58] question: how can we help? all of us? [01:58] Unix? :o [01:58] ok, so then the monolithic model is just flawed? [01:58] minix won't run on my laptop properly (unless I just want to use it for the serial port to work on terminal servers) [01:58] adeodatus (n=adeo@92.82.91.233) joined ##slackware. [01:58] mancha, did you kick juice? [01:58] alisonken1noc: freebsd :) [01:59] OpenBSD [01:59] Anybody know where midori git moved to? git.xfce.org/apps/midori doesn't exist. [01:59] i want to keep using slackware though...:( all of those are not an option [01:59] openbsd lol [01:59] deco: then the question is "how bloated is the *bsd kernels?" :) [01:59] y0 Rat409 [01:59] getting something else is not an option [01:59] hey fire|bird [01:59] actually hm. Is that article talking about a particular distro kernel, or the kernel in general? If you compile it with only the stuff you need, does that still count as bloated? [02:00] urchlay, thats what everybody i know does... [02:00] alisonken1noc: :P [02:00] i was wondering the same [02:00] Urchlay, I wouldn't think so :\ [02:00] linux is referring to the codebase, not any specific compile [02:00] The-Croupier: not everybody you know: you know me, and I'm a lazy bastard who runs the -huge kernels :) [02:00] Urchlay: didn't mention one so i guess i'ts in general [02:00] make a SlackBSD [02:00] *linus is reffering [02:00] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:00] CmdLnKid (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [02:00] urchlay, sorry everybody i know that is not a lazy bastard ;) [02:01] superGear: I've thought about that. Slackware userland + BSD kernel, might end up with a really nice system [02:01] man, anybody having luck with wine in 13.0 at all ? [02:01] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [02:01] fhobia: good question, lemme try... [02:01] so far i'm 0 for 3 [02:01] fire|bird: if you use tint2 sometimes this is a gui config tool theres releases of both as well as svn btw http://code.google.com/p/tintwizard/ [02:01] fhobia: well, SOL.EXE runs for me anyway [02:01] fhobia, mine worked just fine...with the sbo install [02:01] fhobia: luck? I'm 0 for 1. 1/2 if you count Steam working... [02:02] ok, hmm, maybe i should disable opengl and recompile [02:02] i run wow in wine..and it works better than windows ;) [02:02] i prefer bmpanel but this extends tint2,faster than by hand. [02:02] black jack on red queen... [02:02] fhobia... i run it with opengl ;) [02:02] Rat409: cool, thanks. [02:02] sure [02:03] oh, i think i didn't kill the old wine server [02:03] i just upgraded my wine :-) [02:03] fhobia: well I was once told by a wine dev (in the #wine channel) that he didn't even think it was possible to build & run wine without opengl any more (he was at least partly wrong: it'll build, at least) [02:03] fhobia... hmmm [02:03] oh ok [02:03] man, flicker free on the dialogs now [02:04] overall very happy with 13.0 [02:04] does anyon know of a program that will tell me info like "PID: 83543 45 kb/s upload, 10 kb/s download" [02:04] linux keeps getting better! :-D [02:04] (except amarok2 and kde :-/ ) [02:04] on the other hand, this same wine dev told me he refused to look at any bug report or anything, unless I satisfied *all* of wine's optional dependencies (including crap like bidirectional printing and libgphoto, even though what I was trying to do had nothing to do with either of those) [02:05] and the punch card dependency ? [02:05] hey now, amarok and kde work for me :( [02:05] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) joined ##slackware. [02:05] yeah, i think my machine is not fast enough for the next gen amarok [02:06] 2 ghz 1 gb ram ...feels sluggish [02:06] fhobia, 1GHz 512MB here [02:06] dang [02:07] 2ghz 1gb wooo [02:07] tahts what i have [02:07] thats* [02:07] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-77-252.ip37.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [02:07] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:08] i should have given it more than 1 gb swap though [02:08] lot of times when i hibernate ...linux spits me out and i have to close programs till it lets me hibernate [02:09] cpuinfo says my cpu is 1833.241 :\ [02:09] who was asking about tap water earlier? [02:09] godling, jeev [02:09] godling, someone who hasnt any at home [02:09] i don't have cpuinfo :-( [02:09] icke (n=icke@p4FD8A05D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:10] jeev: I drink tap water. I also use it to make tea and cook with. [02:10] morning people of #slackware [02:10] oh wait, thats a file [02:10] fhobia... try gkrellm, [02:10] and conky [02:10] and htop [02:10] Nick change: icke -> slackytude [02:10] fhobia, yeah you do., it's in /proc/ [02:10] morning people of #slackware [02:10] cpu MHz: 800.000 [02:10] hello slackytude [02:10] speed step i hope ! [02:10] lol [02:10] slackytude...hiya hiya [02:10] y0 godling [02:10] heya The-Croupier [02:10] slackytu1e (n=icke@p4FD8A05D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:10] juice: 26 is a crap year [02:11] why? [02:11] 32 is better ;) [02:11] fhobia: or cpufreq-utils,cpufreq-info [02:11] y0 slackytude [02:11] adeodatus (n=adeo@92.82.91.233) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:11] later part of former [02:12] Wine works for me on 13 [02:12] lol [02:12] heya fire|bird, hows it going [02:12] fhobia, 32bit i hope [02:12] well, when you're 25 your insurance premiums go down. when you're 26... nothing. you've already been old enough to smoke, drive, drink, have consensual adult sex and vote for some time. [02:12] yeah, i have a pentium m [02:12] wish i had 64-bit though [02:12] then i could say i had slackware 64 [02:12] ;-( [02:12] ask godling to buy you one [02:12] adeodatus (n=adeo@92.82.91.233) joined ##slackware. [02:12] oh, but i bet flash still doesn't work with 64 [02:12] 26 marks the time when you wait for your metabolism to slow [02:12] slackytude: excellent, thanks. Just building a new webkit version and trying to figure out where midori git has went to. [02:12] *start to wait [02:12] you? [02:13] just got to work, still fighting with the word document [02:13] what is Midori? [02:13] had to do an hur overtime [02:13] a webkit browser [02:13] what makes it special? [02:13] superGear: the definition or the server where the kernel stuff is kept? [02:14] superGear: It's based on webkit, a fast rendering engine, and it's lightweight. [02:14] alisonken1home, huh? [02:14] links -g ! [02:14] superGear: n/m - had my mind wandering :) [02:15] dilo [02:15] fhobia, you're not alone... I too wish to have a 64-bit computer -_- [02:15] i have a 64bit CPU [02:15] does anyon know of a program that will tell me network info like "PID: 83543 45 kb/s upload, 10 kb/s download" [02:15] http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2009/09/ubuntu-910-alpha-6-released-boot-optimizations-arrive.ars [02:15] well x86_64 cpu [02:15] well, I've got a dual-core 64-bit desktop at home, does that count? [02:15] Reticenti: didn't you try wireshark? [02:15] i use 32bit slackware tho [02:15] godling: it couldnt see my iface [02:15] Reticenti: tried netwatch [02:15] slamd64 on mine until I upgrade to slack64 [02:16] slackytude: Ubuntu 10.04 will be named Lucid Lynx [02:16] Reticenti: you have to run it as root [02:16] Reticenti, maybe you need an ibody first ;) [02:16] i got my ipod, what else do i need? [02:16] fire|bird: aye, heard that [02:16] an iClue? ;P [02:16] EYOLs (n=EYOLs@24.167.133.32) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:16] Action: superGear isn't a ubuntu fan [02:17] iptstate is cool,like top for iptables [02:17] heh, can't upgrade to latest webkit without upgrading glib2 :P [02:17] tho 9.04 is much better than 8 [02:17] ubuntu hides too much >.> [02:17] EYOLs (n=EYOLs@cpe-024-167-133-032.triad.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:17] arent we all ubuntu fans in here? [02:17] 9.10 or whatever [02:18] slackytude: Oh yeah, who isn't a fan. :P [02:18] stay away from the summoner... err ubuntu channel... real jerks >.> [02:18] whatever the latest ubuntu is [02:18] 9.04. 9.10 isn't out yet, it's not October [02:18] oahong (n=user@122.225.61.175) joined ##slackware. [02:18] superGear, 9.04 I think >.> [02:19] fire|bird: we'd cry like hysterical schoolgirls who see their favorite boy-band, the minute shuttlweorth enters the chat [02:19] godling: where can I go to see what processes are using my bandwidth in wireshark/ [02:19] slackytude: hahaha [02:19] http://netactview.sourceforge.net/ is nice [02:19] i wouldn't [02:19] i would if Pat joined tho [02:19] and do [02:20] Reticenti: check the logs from yesterday, I told you then. ;P [02:20] only been on once when he joined :/ [02:20] I think it's in statistics->conversations [02:20] you can find out what ipv4 conversation is sending lots of traffic [02:20] then you can use netstat to determine which process is controlling that conversation [02:21] ok [02:21] What if Bill Gates join?! [02:21] I'll kill him with words >:) [02:21] superGear: joined here? Hope for a swift kb and him never coming back. :P [02:21] oh cool [02:21] iptstate is the mutt's nuts [02:21] lol [02:21] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:22] who recommended that? [02:22] Rat409: thanks [02:22] sure,enjoy :) [02:22] what about Steve Jobs? [02:23] I'd politely tell him he screwed up >.> [02:23] how to setup resolution in xfce to be the same everytime when wm starts? [02:23] no worries, he'll be dead soon anyways [02:24] adeodatus: it should be already [02:24] Now if it was Wozniak I'd kiss his irc feet ;) [02:25] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) joined ##slackware. [02:25] EYOLs (n=EYOLs@cpe-024-167-133-032.triad.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:25] EYOLs (n=EYOLs@cpe-024-167-133-032.triad.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:25] Of course if the guy that worked at HP came I'd laugh him till he left :) [02:26] haha toggling host naem lookup floods iptstate with resolver connections :/ [02:26] that's useful :P [02:26] Rat409: customized your ncmpcpp colors ? [02:26] I want 1024x768 not 1440x900. [02:26] fhobia: not yet,no [02:27] godling: so most of my traffic is going through ftp hmmm [02:27] Reticenti: are you running an ftp server? [02:27] no [02:27] :| [02:28] so you're downloading stuff via ftp? [02:28] superGear, If you can't tell I'm a nut For the "Woz" and his creations. Not Bill Gates or Steve jobs. ;) [02:28] or you're using a program that uses ftp to transfer files [02:28] actually, i think it might be a conky script that's doing it [02:29] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static195097104200.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:29] Reticenti: the changelog part [02:29] i disabled it [02:29] yeah [02:30] yeah, pretty sure that's it [02:31] It possible to configure the resolution to 1024x768 to be the default one not 1440x900? [02:31] sure [02:32] google modelines [02:32] adeodatus: have you changed the resolution to 1024x768 in X? [02:32] set it in the xorg.conf file, or pass it as an option to X when starting [02:32] he shouldn't even have to do that. once you set it in xfwm then it should stick [02:32] Funny thing is if anybody had a b-day and they where 287 we'd have enough logged on to administer a kicking session ;) [02:33] yes i've change it. [02:33] problem is the idlers >.> [02:34] adeodatus: what version of xfce are you using? [02:34] xfce4 [02:34] Rat409: yp, it was the changelog constantly dumping [02:35] Rat409: I changed it to grab every 5 hours :) [02:35] no kidding [02:35] 4.what? [02:35] Hmm. Im having problem with apache + php. It can't find the libltdl.so.3 but I cant find libltdl og ltdl anywhere in /slackware on the dvd :( [02:36] Xfce 4 Desktop Environment [02:36] version 4.6.1 (Xfce 4.6) [02:36] libtool [02:36] aha.. thanks :) [02:36] np [02:37] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:37] aint easy to find out what package I need to get the right modules.. :P [02:37] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:38] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:38] Kowal, if you're going to be doing a lot of compiling, adding the "d" stuff is a good idea, at least the relevant parts [02:38] adeodatus: http://forum.xfce.org/index.php?topic=4892.0 [02:38] adeodatus: that should help [02:39] mancha: I know. hehe.. Im trying :D [02:39] kdepim-runtime failed to build :( [02:39] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.185) joined ##slackware. [02:39] ah well i failed [02:39] bedtime [02:39] thanks [02:39] no problem adeodatus [02:39] I have had my share of annoyances with xfce :) [02:41] jhw (n=jhw@p548F42E8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:41] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-32-49.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:41] i guess you need a terminal to run irssi huh? so it will always be like urxvt -> zsh -> irssi (i always have to have the extra process?) [02:41] s/terminal/shell/ [02:42] Action: deco facepalms [02:43] uh oh, lol [02:43] Reticenti: good idea [02:44] oh, actually, i don't need to run the shell [02:44] xterm -ls +sb -sl 0 -e irssi [02:44] yeah [02:45] fhobia: theres a few configs here http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=66488 and screenies [02:45] cool, i can save 3 processes . . . lol [02:45] for ncmpcpp [02:45] thanks Rat409 [02:45] sure [02:46] fhobia: screen + irssi :D [02:46] screen is one of the best tools there is [02:46] yeah, I was gonna say - even better: xterm -ls +sb -sl 0 -e screen irssi [02:46] yeah, agreed [02:46] -ls ? +sb? [02:47] i like screen, mpd, htop [02:47] and ncmpcpp ! [02:47] xterm -fg white -bg black -e screen irssi [02:47] fvwm too :-D [02:47] man, i can't stop, they are all awesome [02:47] -ls so your xterm isn't chained to the one you started it from, and +sb because screen doesn't like a scrollbar on the xterm [02:47] except amarok2 [02:47] :-) [02:48] rk4n3: long time no see. hows it going? [02:49] slackytude: not too bad - how bout you ? [02:49] indeed,theres a app from ubuntu 9.04 thats been made public its a screen profile-mgr kinda cool for screen status,etc. changes the look https://launchpad.net/byobu [02:49] rk4n3: still alive despite the best efforts of my many enemies [02:49] slackytude: I started a new job a couple weeks ago, so I've been busy [02:49] rk4n3: like in die hard or something [02:49] haha [02:49] flyhorse|linux (n=flyhorse@116.4.83.163) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:49] they gave a 3 liter jug and 5 liter jug ? [02:49] rk4n3: oh really? not doing maintance work anymore then? [02:50] flyhorse|linux (n=flyhorse@125.93.126.28) joined ##slackware. [02:50] Reticent1 (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:50] the app,byobu looks like this http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/search/label/Byobu [02:50] slackytude: actually, still doing "maintenance" ... though its more refactoring and tuning/optimizing [02:50] Rat409: i tried that in ubuntu it's nie :) [02:50] nice* [02:50] Reticent1 (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [02:50] slackytude: the big change is I get to work from home alot more [02:51] i just saw it referenced in article,but i built it,its nice,yuh [02:51] isnt apache build with php support? the binary ? [02:51] Reticent1 (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:51] Reticent1 (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [02:52] rk4n3: thats good, right? [02:52] slackytude: definitely :) [02:52] redtricycle (n=redtricy@69.105.1.213) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [02:52] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: "l8r" [02:52] slackytude: what could be better than getting paid to work on computers from the comfort of your home, and in your pajamas ? [02:52] Kowalczyk: no [02:53] any other cool ncurses programs :-) ? [02:53] fhobia: calcurse [02:53] deco: so I have to build it myself then ?:P [02:53] rk4n3: eh, some people said that would be lonely. apparently, they havent been forced to sit in a cubicle with so called co-workers [02:53] fhobia: calendar program - very cool [02:53] Kowalczyk: you need modules [02:53] I have the modules [02:53] rk4n3: anyway, gratz, glad to hear. sounds like a nice change [02:53] but it just prompt me for save or open when I try [02:53] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:54] Kowalczyk: you want it to have php support built in ? [02:54] slackytude: thanks - I'm very excited about it :) [02:54] fhobia: calcurse,moc,urxvt has daemon mode so uses 1 mem process [02:54] I want php to work:d hehe.. [02:54] I have the loadmodule and addtype and so on. It loads the module. but it doesnt work [02:54] Kowalczyk:php and apache are already included in slackware [02:55] I know. I have installed them both. [02:55] Kowalczyk: you just have to enable php [02:55] oh rk4n3 beat me [02:55] I have done that.. [02:55] cool, these look awesome [02:55] Rat409: haha - I missed MOC though - that's a great one [02:55] Kowalczyk: so what's the problem ? [02:55] oh yeah, daemon mode...need to figure out how that works [02:55] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-36.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:55] in xterm urxvtd & [02:55] it doesnt work. when I go to host/test.php it prompt me to download it or open :( [02:56] Kowalczyk: you are doing it wrong [02:56] Kowalczyk: did you restart apache [02:56] Kowalczyk: sounds like you need to configure apache [02:56] then use separate,multiple terms using urxvtc [02:56] awesome, thanks Rat409 [02:56] adeodatus (n=adeo@92.82.91.233) left irc: "Leaving" [02:57] Kowalczyk: you must restart apache after enabling php [02:57] Kowalczyk: yes,i use moc a lot,really like it,altho ncmpcpp is nice also [02:57] in httpd.conf I have Include /etc/httpd/mod_php.conf and in /etc/httpd/mod_php.conf I have LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/httpd/modules/libphp5.so and AddType application/x-httpd-php .php [02:57] I have [02:57] I know I have to restart apache. [02:57] whoops bad tab-complete i fail [02:57] lol [02:58] fire|bird: hey there - how's it going ? [02:58] actually i missed thr r in rk4n3 lol [02:58] haha [02:58] so I dont know what I'm missing [02:58] Kowalczyk: you don't need to do that , you just have to uncomment a field i forgot wich one [02:58] which* [02:58] rk4n3: going excellent, thanks, you? I'm just working with webkit, I'm thinking though that SBo's version is the latest available without needing a glib2 upgrade. [02:59] I didnt do that. It was there automatically [02:59] fire|bird: yeah, that's probably a good bet - I just started a new job a couple weeks ago - so far so good :) [02:59] rk4n3: Cool [02:59] I've been messing with midori lately, it's a great browser. [03:00] fire|bird: the drink is good too [03:00] :) [03:00] lol [03:00] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-uukrimtuoxqyijjk) joined ##slackware. [03:00] whoops bedtime. night guys. ya'll have a good one [03:00] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [03:00] Rat409: night night [03:00] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [03:00] Kowalczyk: looat the bottom of http.con and uncomment a field mentioning php [03:00] look* [03:00] at [03:01] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [03:01] http.conf* grrr sleepy [03:01] http.conf* is it? [03:01] ;) [03:01] The-Croupier: 1 am here :P [03:01] the only line mentioning php is Include /etc/httpd/mod_php.conf [03:01] deco: that is too early [03:01] are you old? [03:02] The-Croupier: 21 :P [03:02] deco: shhhh dont mention age here...some people might get insulted..or feel old :p [03:02] The-Croupier: lol [03:02] rk4n3: With midori, this version is suppose to support it's ad blocker using adblock Plus filters, yet that plugin is disabled and unable to be enabled. :P [03:02] deco: and...you are too young to consider 1am late :p [03:03] Action: nix_chix0r yanks fire|bird 's internet [03:03] so deco. I dont know, only one line mentioning php there [03:03] The-Croupier: been doing it for a couple of days ...:P [03:03] fire|bird: hmmm ... overall how is the browser so far ? [03:03] no wonder no one is replying to you ;) [03:03] rk4n3: excellent, fast, lightweight. I love it. [03:03] hey nix_chix0r, how are you? [03:03] fire|bird: which one? [03:03] fire|bird: I may have to try it out [03:03] The-Croupier: midori [03:04] fire|bird, not bad had a pretty good day today at work got a lot done [03:04] Kowalczyk: pastbin the http.conf file, im not on a slackware box right now [03:04] fire|bird: thnks..any other recommendations...;) alternatives ;) [03:04] Action: The-Croupier thinks most of us are not in slackware box today ;) [03:04] rk4n3: libunique, libsexy, icu4c, libsoup, webkit, midori ;) [03:05] fire|bird, how are you [03:05] Action: slackytude is in a slackware box [03:05] The-Croupier: Um, arora is another great browser. [03:05] stupid question: as an alternative to slackware...which other distro would come next [03:05] Its my happy box [03:05] nix_chix0r: I am excellent, thank you. :) [03:05] The-Croupier: arch linux [03:05] crux? [03:05] deco: ok [03:05] deco: Arch, you little....... :P [03:06] fire|bird: was gonna say ubuntu but.... [03:06] fire|bird: little.... what comes after little? instead of ....? [03:06] lol :P [03:06] deco: glad you didn't. :P [03:06] deco: if you want to make it worst for yourself do so ..;) [03:06] foobarz (i=1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [03:07] Arch torqued me off when I tried installing it on my laptop. :P [03:07] fire|bird: you failed lol [03:07] arch broke down for me after a while [03:07] ...don't think its similar to slack at all.. [03:07] though nobody claimed that ! [03:07] fhobia: similer bsd style init [03:07] deco: I did not, luks wouldn't work, lvm wouldn't work, and it wouldn't boot. I didn't fail, IT did. [03:07] fhobia: aur build scripts liek slackbuilds [03:08] like* [03:08] ah ok, i didn't go that deep [03:08] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [03:08] how is Slackware 13.0 going? [03:08] pacman just got disgruntled with me :-( [03:08] fire|bird: ok, it's not like i love that distro :P [03:08] fire|bird, check this out http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/244/oliverseeping.jpg [03:08] rk4n3: Also, with midori, it supports most greasemonkey scripts and user style scripts, fwiw. [03:09] reallove (i=reallove@free-shell.eu) joined ##slackware. [03:09] nix_chix0r: wow he's getting big. Such a cute little guy. [03:09] Nick change: reallove -> Guest46036 [03:10] i'm not even sure how to answer whether slackware is a good - i mean i like pkgtool and such, so i guess its good [03:10] i didnt mean similar to slackware... i ment general..just alternative... like BSD for example or any unix one.. ;) remind that i like to mess with security options..and configuration..;) [03:10] but lot of linux programs are not that good :-P [03:10] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:11] The-Croupier: gentoo if you don't have a life ?? [03:11] fhobia: i didnt say if its good, that would be another level of stupidity...havent been there yet, unless im like 2-3days without sleep [03:11] The-Croupier: yeah, i just went off on my own there :-) [03:11] fire|bird: hmmm - cool [03:11] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [03:11] fhobia: ahh ok..;) [03:11] deco: That's not true, you could start building something, go have your life, come back and hope it's done. [03:12] ...yeah, i started with gentoo...it took me a week to compile openoffice HAHAHA [03:12] then somebody told me there was a prebuilt binary [03:12] fire|bird: i mean the tweaking and tweaking :P [03:12] rk4n3: and, fwiw, it's an xfce project. [03:12] fhobia: lol [03:12] then you realize you missed a flag like -O5000 so you need to restart all over again [03:13] deco: [03:13] http://slackware.pastebin.com/maa0ab4b [03:13] Meckafett (n=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:13] Kowalczyk: reading [03:13] ok. I have to go soon. fixing something. but just gonna wait and see:D [03:14] I have installed apache*.txz and php*.txz [03:14] fwiw is it for what its worth...or an actual project...cos thats what google gives me.. fire|bird please correct me if wrong [03:15] Kowalczyk: try removing the spaces after include maybe [03:15] Kowalczyk: but the file is ok i don't know why it wouldn't work [03:15] The-Croupier: fwiw = for what it's worth [03:16] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [03:16] fire|bird: thanks [03:16] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:16] no. it doesnt work. but I have to go. Bbl. I will gogole the shit out of it :D [03:16] yw [03:16] Kowalczyk: lol yeah that sucks [03:16] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189-69-16-140.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:16] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-26-98.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. [03:17] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [03:17] i have one more useless shell process...the one i type startx in :-P [03:17] this tuesday is just a monday in disguise! [03:17] if you were forced to use a different linux distro what would you guys choose ? [03:18] slamd [03:18] fedora [03:19] I quite liked it last time [03:20] slackytude: yeah it's nice [03:21] Action: fhobia closes his eyes and picks a distro [03:21] guess i would use goblinX [03:21] ... [03:21] or um... [03:22] errordeveloper (n=errordev@nat67.mia.three.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:22] Hymera [03:22] ... [03:22] or slax? ... [03:22] slamd64?... [03:22] blackPanther linux ? [03:23] Moshesus (n=moshesus@catv-80-98-178-84.catv.broadband.hu) joined ##slackware. [03:23] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@catv-80-98-178-84.catv.broadband.hu' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:23] puppy! cuz I fuck 'em ! :D [03:23] Moshesus kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Did your mother have any children that lived? [03:23] O_O [03:23] that's what she said [03:23] yeah [03:23] fire|bird... puppies dont talk.. -.- [03:23] haha [03:23] [Kairos] (n=Kairos@unaffiliated/kairos) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:23] are there any other distros that let you modify the build scripts easily ? [03:24] Guest46036 (i=reallove@free-shell.eu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:24] [Kairos] (n=Kairos@unaffiliated/kairos) joined ##slackware. [03:24] guess i'd go with gentoo [03:25] because you can start with a minimal system [03:25] without gnome or kde [03:25] and i think there is some sort of "stable" branch too [03:25] unlike arch which i think just gives you the latest ...i think... [03:25] fhobia: it's a rolling release [03:26] arch releases all the time [03:26] everytime you turn around it's 400MB more to download and update [03:26] and they're always changing the official packages, so one day it's cdrecord and the next it's freaking cdrkit with wodim (which sucks balls) [03:26] godling: yeah :/ slackwares 4gb repo ftw !:P [03:26] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [03:27] and non-mounting removable media [03:27] :P [03:27] *non-auto-mounting [03:28] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: Client Quit [03:28] Action: deco loves drupal [03:28] i mounted one partition in my harddrive sda3 to /mnt/anotherhdd , i put it in fstab as well, the funny part is that even if i see that its used, when i ls that, there is no data there... even remounting it...theres nothing there... [03:28] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-36.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:28] has this re-happened [03:29] The-Croupier: it has re-never re-happened [03:29] its kind of bad, since i have most of my pkgs there...and docs..that i dont want to refind, and i dont remember where i got most of it [03:30] damn,, any advice to regain..and fix? [03:30] re-gain and re-fix ? [03:31] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:37] if I put something in /etc/cron.daily, will it alays get run every day? [03:38] as long as it's +x [03:38] always* [03:38] no, only every second day [03:38] thats why its called daily [03:38] as long as crond is running [03:38] or is there a time that it runs, and if the computer isnt on during that time, you have to wait another day? [03:38] eh, yes [03:38] usually at 4am [03:38] if the computer is turned off, it won't be able to run it, so you're correct [03:39] y0 Urchlay, hows it going [03:39] slackytude [03:39] Action: fhobia scratches his head looking at distrowatch page hit ranking [03:39] mint #3 and puppy #7 ? [03:39] nothing exciting going on here [03:39] interesting [03:39] Urchlay: sounds boring [03:39] fhobia, check out incognito's ranking [03:39] aye [03:39] how do i check out those ? [03:39] oh well [03:40] I was just now trying to explain the strongbad email thing to a really really old guy [03:40] (he saw me watching it and went "What the hell is that?") [03:40] strongbad email? [03:41] this is my landlord's dad, he's full of old stories that feature things like mules and cars you had to start by turning a crank [03:41] eh, this: http://homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html [03:41] always fascinating how much has changed in so little time [03:41] puppy seems to novel concept though...completely in memory [03:42] yes, but this guy's stories are *really* boring (as in, they relate events that were boring when they happened) [03:42] also, his mouth won't close all the way [03:42] how does he keep the flies out? [03:42] not sure [03:42] Urchlay: I used to have one of those - 1931 ford model A pickup. if the battery died, grab the crank from under the seat [03:43] mancha: have you ever used incognito/ [03:43] alisonken1noc: but I bet you aren't old enough to have bought that thing when it was new... [03:43] Meckafett (n=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) joined ##slackware. [03:43] Urchlay: I wil admit it was 20 years older than me :) [03:43] ok a little over 20 years [03:44] alisonken1noc: 1951? [03:44] oh [03:44] 1955 ? [03:44] slackytude: 1958 [03:44] night all [03:44] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [03:45] mancha: and I'm still trying to think of a way to output the source code of a program when it has -r [03:45] reallove (i=reallove@free-shell.eu) joined ##slackware. [03:45] Nick change: reallove -> Guest3663 [03:45] fhobia: IIRC, puppy linux has been around a *long* time (the whole thing was 3 or 4 floppies back then) [03:46] wow [03:46] puppies [03:46] yay [03:46] Reticenti: program in linux? [03:46] Reticenti: erm. You actually have the source, or just a compiled binary? [03:47] i thought the philosophy is all files, and the source free :( [03:47] Reticenti: compilation is lossy, you can't recover the original source from a compiled program (though you can "decompile" it into something more-or-less human-readable) [03:47] Urchlay: mancha gave me a challenge of writing a program that outputs the exact source code of it self to the screen, and the permissions on the script/source is -r [03:47] The-Croupier: in that case, why is there no /dev/eth0?! [03:47] Reticenti: oh, a quine [03:48] Reticenti: tricky, but doable [03:48] yeah, i've been thinking about it for a few days now [03:48] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.222.0) joined ##slackware. [03:48] Reticenti: if you eventually give up, go buy the book "Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid" [03:49] if you can have it +r, it's easy: #!/bin/bash; cat filename.sh [03:49] sirslacker (n=root@p579B4DEE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:49] right, a proper quine doesn't read the source code from a file though [03:49] metriccwrench (n=ii@12.178.212.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:50] heh [03:50] Urchlay: really...theres one in my pc [03:50] just looked at the wiki page for quine [03:50] and it's long [03:50] (the programs) [03:51] well, not long, but sorta complex [03:51] alisonken1noc: you are older than me dad ^-^ [03:51] slackytude: :) [03:51] Reticenti: I was about to say, wikipedia has a pretty good example :) [03:51] The-Croupier: eh? [03:51] Reticenti: can you not change the -r , chmod or something? just an idea...not getting exactly what you are trying to do and how [03:51] /bin/ls: cannot access /dev/eth0: No such file or directory [03:52] slackware must be doing pretty well though even at 12 on distrowatch hit rankings [03:52] The-Croupier: it would be cheating. Go look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quine_%28computing%29 [03:52] Urchlay: i see.. ok...ill read that [03:52] The-Croupier: the limitation is to not read the orginal source [03:52] although... the C example that uses the C preprocessor might also be considered a cheat [03:53] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:53] anybody seen a review of slack 13? [03:53] the top distros on the list are just variants of each other so [03:53] heh, here's the one-line C version: [03:53] main() { char *s="main() { char *s=%c%s%c; printf(s,34,s,34); }"; printf(s,34,s,34); } [03:53] tewmten (i=tew@asylunatic.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:53] tew (i=tew@asylunatic.se) joined ##slackware. [03:53] Reticenti: did you read wikipedia article on quine? [03:54] Nick change: tew -> tewmten [03:54] slackytude: ...just the ones on the slackware forum . . . lol [03:54] slackytude: I'd write a review of slackware 13, but it'd basically say "just like slackware 12.2 only better" [03:54] basically, an extended version o fwhat Urchlay wrote :) [03:54] yeah, "it works as usual" [03:54] alisonken1noc: I copied that from the wikipedia entry [03:54] When i try to run as root xorgsetup i get this message:Only root can configure X.What could to be the pb? [03:55] fhobia: think I found some [03:55] Urchlay: meh [03:55] Urchlay: ah - so you did (I just got down to that part) [03:55] i didn't like the huge change with the xorg and hal though this time [03:55] adeodatus: that means you have to run as root first [03:55] slackytude, one... the author was comparing it to gentoo... complained about how slackpkg doesn't resolve dependencies and basically said linuxpackages was the greatest thing to happen to Slackware EVAR. [03:55] the fact that suddely all the keyboard and mouse entries weren't used [03:56] i get the idea of quines..never heard of it before though..sounds like fun..and a nice tool to have ;) [03:56] http://me.isnick.net/2009/08/31/slackware-13-0-review/ [03:56] bolide: I know the type [03:56] I'm root when I run xorgsetup. [03:56] personally, I think sbo was one of the best thinks happening [03:57] Nick change: bisco_ -> bisco [03:57] Yes it is time consuming and it not bug free. [03:57] slackware has slapt-get?! [03:57] it not? me thought it bug free! [03:58] The-Croupier: not as default... [03:58] alisonken1noc: I read a little of it [03:58] slackytude: so...it doesnt have it ;) [03:58] me want money back for free download! rrrargh! [03:58] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [03:58] metriccwrench (n=ii@12.178.212.226) joined ##slackware. [03:58] Action: The-Croupier doesnt like it anyway [03:59] The-Croupier: well, you can use it if you download it [03:59] http://kevin0112.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/slackware64-13-review/ [03:59] slackytude: his video could use some help with narration, though [03:59] slackware has slapt-get in the same way that windows has world of warcraft [03:59] and he recommends slapt-get [04:00] alisonken1noc: thats what what sounded wierd..and lp aparently [04:00] Married with Children is on ttyl ! [04:00] from kevin0112: "What drew me to this particular release of Slackware is one, an official 64 bit port of Slackware. This, to me, was the equivalent of not only landing on the moon, but setting up condos there." [04:00] i like the part: The only thing i could say that slackware needs to improve on is drivers and maybe packages and maybe a few things here and there. [04:00] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. 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[04:13] jhw (n=jhw@p548F42E8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:15] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:16] jhw (n=jhw@p548F42E8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:18] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.222.0) joined ##slackware. [04:20] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [04:21] jhw (n=jhw@p548F42E8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:21] Can someone help me to configure my video card? http://dpaste.com/96634/ this is my /var/log/Xorg.0.log [04:22] adeodatus: Failed to load module "openchrome" (module does not exist, 0) [04:22] i guess you dont have that module in the kernel [04:23] try using vesa driver [04:23] Man_of_W1x (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) joined ##slackware. [04:24] jhw (n=jhw@p548F42E8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:25] foobarz (i=1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [04:25] jhw (n=jhw@p548F42E8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:25] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:26] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [04:26] jhw (n=jhw@p548F42E8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:26] How to use vesa drive? [04:27] edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change driver to vesa [04:30] adeodatu1 (n=adeodatu@92.84.4.224) joined ##slackware. [04:31] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [04:32] adeodatus: if you use an open source driver, with Slackware 13.0 you dont need a xorg.conf [04:32] sahko: step back bud.. you dont wanna get caght up in adeodatus' problems :) [04:32] granted that you have the correct driver for your graphics card installed it should be picked up automagically [04:32] What open source drive to use? [04:33] http://www.techiemoe.com/tech/slack13.htm [04:34] Zordrak: i can always stop responding to him, as ive done so in the past, but thanks for the advice [04:34] techiemoe.com: "Slackware. It's an institution in its own right. Some might argue that it's *put* people into institutions as well, out of either frustration or zealotry." [04:35] aye! [04:35] Much like Ben Stein's inflection or the uncoolness of Furries, the Slackware installer doesn't change [04:35] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:36] http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/21/rms-on-miguel-de-icaza/ [04:36] yay for RMS [04:37] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:38] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --Winston Churchill"). 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[04:45] yeah [04:45] he used to bitch about it a lot more [04:45] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.222.0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:46] maybe he is loosing his touch [04:46] slackytude: http://www.loseloose.com [04:46] whatever [04:47] fnarr [04:47] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:47] Zordrak: I take it you have a keyboard shortcut to that page> :) [04:47] azarion (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) joined ##slackware. [04:49] b0tnet (n=void@216.160.68.34) joined ##slackware. [04:49] oh hai [04:49] not necessarily slackware specific, but as i am on slackware....how might i get packet injection working on an intel 5100 card? [04:50] 2.6.31* [04:51] How to change to resolution in /etc/X11/xorg.conf? [04:51] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:52] adeodatu1: look in the Screen sections [04:52] mingdao: thanks [04:53] np [04:54] adeodatu1: assuming you have the proper driver for your card, issue "xrandr" in a terminal to see what your max is [04:55] anybody have a copy of the hal .fdi file for a synaptics touchpad I can steal? [04:56] adeodatus (n=Moondog@92.84.4.224) joined ##slackware. [04:56] adeodatus (n=Moondog@92.84.4.224) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:59] adeodatus (n=Moondog@92.84.4.224) joined ##slackware. [04:59] alisonken1noc: you must mean something other than /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/11-x11-synaptics.fdi [05:00] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:00] mingdao: I was thinking of a tricked-out synaptics fdi file since I'm lazy tonight :) [05:00] adeodatus (n=Moondog@92.84.4.224) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:02] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. 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[05:05] Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1440 x 1024 [05:05] default connected 1024x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm [05:05] 1280x1024 0.0 [05:05] Channel flood from adeodatus -- kicking [05:05] 1440x900 0.0 [05:05] 1280x960 0.0 [05:05] adeodatus kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [05:05] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:07] mingdao: [05:07] adeodatus: I have never heard of 1440 x 1024 [05:07] see these lines -> Depth 24 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" [05:07] something like that in xorg.conf [05:07] mingdao: pretty standard widescreen resolution [05:07] oic [05:08] 1.40 [05:08] nope [05:08] didn't think that was std [05:08] standard widescreen is 1440x900 [05:08] 1.6 or 1.5 or so I thought [05:08] i have that [05:08] oh right, my bad. i just woke up [05:08] ok [05:08] you had me going [05:09] adeodatu1: where you see those lines posted above ^^^ [05:09] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl7-76-29.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:09] you want only the resolution you desire; but it looks like you got a driver problem atm [05:09] what card do you have, and what driver? [05:10] 1440 x 1024 that is my default resolution when start xcfe.I default resolution i want to be 1024 x768. [05:10] card and driver can be seen -> "lscpi -vv" [05:10] you want 1024 x 768 ? [05:10] yes [05:10] 17:03 < adeodatus> default connected 1024x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm [05:11] looks like you have it [05:11] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl9-79-135.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Nick collision from services. [05:11] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [05:11] obnauticus (n=l@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:12] I change it from xfce display. [05:12] you mean once you start Xfce, you change the resolution to 1024x768? [05:12] hiya Kaapa [05:12] But it does not start out that way? [05:12] yes [05:12] guys, is there a way in google to search only for forums with a specific subject? [05:13] post you /etc/X11/xorg.conf in pastebin ... or look at those lines [05:13] see these lines -> Depth 24 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" [05:13] is there a specific syndax? i find advanced search very annoying and time consuming... i remember there was something like inurl: forum subject here right? [05:13] hey there [05:13] Kaapa: long time no see ;) hows it going [05:14] it's fine. Working a lot and waiting for the 2nd child to "pop out" any time now [05:14] Meckafett (n=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:14] CONGRATS MAN, very happy for you [05:15] Action: The-Croupier bows with utter most respect to Kaapa [05:16] :) [05:16] ty [05:16] mingdao: Please look at this file http://dpaste.com/96645/ [05:16] The-Croupier: http://www.googlepowersearch.com/ [05:17] Kaapa: you started an assembly line or something? [05:17] I have a link for some search tricks but can't find it atm [05:17] just pumping them out like a machine [05:17] mingdao: thanks going there straight away [05:17] mingdao: if you do..will help me very very much [05:18] adeodatu1: what created that xorg.conf file? [05:18] spook: I know the european guys go slow when it comes to descendents, but you hardly consider the 2nd to be an assembly line :p [05:18] I'm not the most experienced guy, but have never seen one like that [05:18] xorgsetup I think [05:19] adeodatu1: what video card do you have? [05:20] /sbin/lspci | grep VGA [05:21] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN896/VN896/P4M900 [Chrome 9 HC] (rev 01) [05:22] can you issue "lspci -vv" and look at the bottom of the section for that card and see what kernel modules/driver it says it's using now? [05:22] I don't know those P4M900 chipset boards [05:23] Man_of_W1x (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:23] Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel [05:24] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@catv-80-98-178-84.catv.broadband.hu expired. [05:24] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@catv-80-98-178-84.catv.broadband.hu' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:25] i really hate VIA and SiS integrated graphics chips [05:25] especially in linux support [05:25] yeah, but that's what he's got [05:25] adeodatu1: for the VGA [05:25] look for that line 01:00.0 VGA on the left hand side of that screen of text [05:26] ok [05:26] VIA did have openchrome drivers but their new GPUs are no longer fully published specs so a 3D driver cant be made.. and SiS is so bad even 2D acceleration is a win [05:27] dang [05:27] adeodatu1: you got $30 USD to spare? [05:27] buy a nVidia chipset card ;) [05:27] seriously, we'll have to Google like we own it, eh? [05:29] The-spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) joined ##slackware. [05:29] adeodatu1: do you by chance now the manufacturer and model of your motherboard? [05:30] I'll poste a file called lspci.txt [05:30] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.81) left irc: "Leaving" [05:30] b0tnet (n=void@216.160.68.34) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:30] http://dpaste.com/96648/ [05:31] john_dee (n=id@93-81-119-114.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:31] does anyone know wether vista home editions give you permission to run them in a virtual enviroment? [05:31] adeodatu1: can you run that again as root like this: lspci -vv [05:32] not according to the eula [05:32] the motherboard is made by MSI. [05:33] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432153.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:33] MSI = strike 2 [05:34] adeodatu1: is it a PC or a laptop? [05:34] a pc [05:34] alisonken1noc: minumum is business, right? but how legally binding is the eula? [05:35] spook: courts have ruled eula's are enforceable as long as they can be viewed before installing system [05:35] courts in what country? :P [05:35] shrink-wrap eula's have a grey area about returns policy, though [05:35] by installing Windows you have to agree to the EULA [05:35] spook: not in this country, though [05:36] spook: Mickey$oft sells XP for ~ $3.00 USD here [05:36] mickeysoft or black market? [05:37] What should i do then to have 1024 x 768 as the resolution when I start wm? [05:37] Mickey$soft [05:37] copy CDs are cheaper [05:37] that's for the real thing [05:38] Big Ears Billy finally stopped fighting the right to copy here [05:38] before he bowed out [05:38] for years they wanted to enforce their EULA [05:38] but the commies wouldn't have it [05:38] so he publicly stated a little money beat us using Linux ;) [05:38] lol. [05:39] adeodatu1: I think first you need the correct driver for your card. [05:39] adeodatu1: can you run that again as root like this: lspci -vv [05:39] considering the chinese government's linux offering is filled with spyware, keylogging and phonehome software, i'd choose windows too. [05:39] the drive is vesa. [05:39] who runs the Chinese government's Linux? [05:39] anyone knows if the ati drivers already support the latest kernels? [05:39] \O/ happy news,no idea how many of you know this, pidgin 2.6.1 has voice and video support, isn't that great ... [05:39] the chinese government? [05:40] never heard of such [05:41] mingdao: this was quite a few years ago, i got the feeling it died before it started [05:42] Kaapa: probably not [05:42] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:43] adeodatu1: that chipset uses the openchrome driver from everything I've read [05:44] mingdao: red flag linux - it's government sponsored [05:44] yes [05:45] But no one who knows anything about Linux runs it. [05:45] no [05:45] It's a RedHat fork, basically. [05:45] init[1]: wow really [05:45] kejen (n=brian@67.202.107.232) joined ##slackware. [05:45] siimo: are you sure you came to know it now ? [05:45] siimo: just asked coz i'm usually the last one to know every thing :D [05:46] yeah, i am still using the one slack 13 came with so no idea [05:47] 2.6.1 adds XMPP Voice and Video support (but not on Windows yet) [05:47] XMPP is GTalk right [05:47] so still no MSN [05:47] jabber [05:47] googletalk is one of the xmpp services [05:47] siimo: pretty sure kopete does msn video and voice [05:47] spook: nvm that, coz gtlk already has it [05:48] 2,6,2 is out btw [05:48] saw it on pidgin.im [05:48] Action: init[1] is really excited ... .about pidgin [05:49] hello [05:49] i usually use spkye just to use voip :-/,now ,now skype in my trask , [05:50] s/trask/trash/ [05:50] adeodatu1 (n=adeodatu@92.84.4.224) left irc: "leaving" [05:50] when will slack 10 get pidgin 2.6.x [05:51] slack 10? [05:51] when you build it? [05:51] i mean 10.3 [05:51] oh sorry 13.0 [05:51] maybe 13.0? [05:51] yah [05:51] siimo: use the slackbuild from slackware/source [05:51] adeodatus (n=adeo@92.84.4.224) joined ##slackware. [05:52] It will probably require some heavy editing to build a new Pidgin with video support. [05:52] do i just need to up the version? [05:53] 2.6.1 was out before 13.0 released. [05:53] siimo: which slackware are you in 13? [05:53] lionping (n=itsme@cm.mpi.univie.ac.at) joined ##slackware. [05:53] yes [05:53] siimo: untar the source and check ./configure -help and see how much difference it has [05:53] no editing was required here for 2.6.2. You will need farsight2 though [05:53] siimo: use http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/source/xap/pidgin/pidgin.SlackBuild [05:53] dang - slack13 only has 2.5.9 [05:53] erik: that was the only new dep? [05:54] yeah i saw that one [05:54] (pidgin) [05:54] you will mostly have to modify some flags for new on and ofcourse the version string [05:54] too lazy to build it myself ill wait for an update [05:54] bostikforever (n=bostikfo@196.3.183.72) joined ##slackware. [05:54] haha [05:54] dont need xmpp [05:55] maybe libnice as well [05:55] i still use the oldschool checkinstall for compiling stuff sometimes [05:56] both are on SBo [05:56] hi! need help with inetd. want to start vsftpd through inetd (inetd.conf) but when I try to connect via ftp-client I receive "500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket"; starting vsftpd directly /usr/sbin/vsftpd works. any idea? [05:57] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [05:58] stillborn (n=millax@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff71c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [05:58] hello [05:58] how to set correct flags to gkrellm [05:59] if anyone knows [05:59] what's slackware [05:59] Jeans and a T-Shirt [05:59] slack ware [06:00] sorta like house ware [06:00] So you use commands for them Zordrak?? [06:00] bostikforever: you meant the version i guess ? :) [06:00] i think it's hardcoded to makefile, but how to change it to i486 i686 [06:00] Wal-Mart, back aisle [06:00] Even a bot would know you are kiding [06:00] bostikforever: yeah.. they tighten up when its cold [06:01] stillborn: use this change what you want http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-13.0/source/xap/gkrellm/gkrellm.SlackBuild [06:02] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [06:02] \o/ download complete 100%[======================================>] 9,093,010 10.1K/s in 15m 12s [06:04] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left ##slackware. [06:05] bostikforever (n=bostikfo@196.3.183.72) left ##slackware. [06:05] bostikforever: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+slackware [06:05] mingdao: you missed [06:05] yeah, bad lag here :-( [06:05] I'm gonna make the dinner call, though. ;) [06:05] guys, i type www.google.com and redirects me to google.gr is there a way to bypass that... i want to see .com and not the redirection... is it an option or what? anyone knows? [06:06] Guest30975 (n=edK@92.50.174.183.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left irc: Client Quit [06:06] be less greek [06:07] Zordrak: i try... is not happening [06:07] The-Croupier: press the "google.com in english" link [06:07] init[1]: tks [06:07] hmmm. I had to restart my computer to get apache + php to work [06:07] stillborn: my pleasure :) [06:08] Kowalczyk: /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd restart would have been better [06:08] sahk0: ;) thanks [06:08] Kowalczyk: apachectl restart would have been better than that [06:08] init[1]: ^ [06:09] Zordrak: I have done that 2. but it didnt work [06:09] but after a reboot it did [06:09] bostikforever (n=bostikfo@196.3.183.72) joined ##slackware. [06:10] Ephedrax_ (n=ta_maman@86.192.159.49) joined ##slackware. [06:10] how do I get the packages for slackware? [06:10] slackbuilds.org [06:10] thanks [06:10] bostikforever: http://lmgtfy.com?q=download+slackware [06:10] sbopkg -- software [06:10] check the topic [06:11] read the wiki...etc [06:11] The-Croupier: i think hes talking about slack itself [06:11] Zordrak: yea yea , [06:12] i am registered in like 10 or more forums... but i cannot keep track of them..is there any software at all, linux/windooze/widget/webapp/..anything to keep track? [06:12] Zordrak, you are a case [06:12] kind of what we do with email accounts [06:12] The-Croupier use opera web browser, that's what I use [06:12] bostikforever: hows that gonna help [06:13] The-Croupier: maybe bloglines might have sthg i dont know [06:14] Nick change: web31337_ -> Web31337 [06:14] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-32-49.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:14] Ephedrax_ (n=ta_maman@86.192.159.49) left irc: Client Quit [06:14] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-32-49.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:15] old school is such an awesome movie [06:16] Action: Zordrak just had a proper lightbulb moment [06:17] Ldap is good. nss_ldap isnt good. PAM is bad. NIS is good, but it is not ldap. Can nis be configured to be an *interface* to ldap? [06:18] adeodatus (n=adeo@92.84.4.224) left irc: "Leaving" [06:18] omfg.. ypldapd [06:18] nis is not good [06:18] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.4.224) joined ##slackware. [06:18] ananke: it works [06:18] Zordrak: that doesn't make it good [06:19] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:19] agai with the srsns -- good can mean many things dependant upon the context of the sentence [06:19] in this context.. it means it works [06:19] Zordrak: sorry, i don't do txt speak [06:19] The-spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:20] thats not what it is [06:20] i think next release of slackware wouldn't have pidgin 2.6.1+n coz of farsight and other python dependecy ? what do you think ? [06:20] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [06:20] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) left irc: "Leaving" [06:21] bostikforever (n=bostikfo@196.3.183.72) left ##slackware. [06:21] twolf_ (n=none@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [06:22] i dont give a flying fuck :) [06:22] flying??? never tried that... [06:22] sahk0: you don't use pidgin ? [06:22] Action: The-Croupier goes to check his notes.... [06:23] lol^ [06:23] _AnywhereIs_ (n=edK@92.50.174.183.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [06:23] The-Croupier: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flying%20fuck [06:24] a question regarding slackbuilds search feature ! why is that gst-plugins-good, doesn't give any result and gst-plugins-good give one [06:25] s/slackbuilds.org/ [06:25] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [06:25] notice the comma after the gst-plugins-good [06:25] init[1]: uhh... gst-plugins-good === gst-plugins-good [06:25] sahk0: i was more happy thinking it was a sex technique i didnt know [06:25] oh [06:25] :p [06:26] shouldn't it match regular expression [06:26] atleast till good [06:26] s/till/still/ [06:27] init[1]: wireless.uva.nl? [06:27] Zordrak: sorry what is that? [06:27] you're overthinking, just search gstre or similar [06:27] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.4.224) left irc: "Lost terminal" [06:28] erik: hhmm,what i said is a possibility [06:29] but not practical [06:29] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl7-76-29.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:30] erik: ok ok , .. [06:31] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.65.43) joined ##slackware. [06:32] twolf (n=none@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:32] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl5-180-45.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:32] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [06:39] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.151) joined ##slackware. [06:40] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.4.224) joined ##slackware. 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[07:00] blackula (i=1000@97.81.105.128) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:01] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.84.118) joined ##slackware. [07:02] fdupes gives you some interesting surprises [07:05] Intel study claims the Linux kernel loses 2% performance every iteration. That would be a loss of 12% for the last 10 relases. [07:05] Not sure how they came up with that... [07:05] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [07:05] benchmarking [07:06] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [07:06] slackytude: what about windows :P [07:06] nobody knows [07:06] I do [07:06] but I hear it gets better, faster and more secure every time [07:06] slackytude: also, is it 2% compounded? or 2% from some fixed point, or 2% from the previous release? [07:07] 2% from the fixed point of 10 releases ago i guess [07:07] otherwise it wouldst add up to 12% [07:07] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432153.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [07:07] I have no clue, I havent seen Intels study, that was from a report about it. Linux is quoted as saying the knerl is huge and bloated [07:07] *Linus [07:07] aye [07:09] Nick change: toastytoast -> SOX [07:09] whoops [07:10] Nick change: SOX -> toastytoast [07:10] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:10] anyone know how to slow the play rate of a music file down usieng sox? [07:12] If this trend continues the kernel will be too slow to use around 2.6.40 [07:12] and around 2.6.60 it will move backwards in time! [07:13] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.84.118) left irc: "Leaving" [07:13] sounds liek a good time to me [07:13] maybe that is linus plan [07:13] time travel [07:13] slackytude, math fail [07:13] rd5 (n=rd5@189.111.164.142) joined ##slackware. [07:13] 0.02^60 > 0 [07:14] rd5- (n=rd5@189.111.164.142) joined ##slackware. [07:14] rd5- (n=rd5@189.111.164.142) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:14] well, I didnt care that much edman007 ^-^ [07:14] cared enough to complain [07:16] whats going to happen to the kernel when linus dies? [07:16] i wonder [07:16] it will bloat and then rot away [07:16] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-uukrimtuoxqyijjk) left irc: "Page closed" [07:16] someone will step in [07:16] therell always be someone [07:16] toastytoast, we switch to bsd [07:16] then we will all use win8 [07:17] or bsd [07:17] lol. [07:17] rlly i was thinking more along the line were different distro might choose to use there own custom version they made of the kernel [07:17] a kernel fork? [07:17] we do [07:17] heavy [07:17] not a fork, but cutsom configs [07:17] alisonken1noc: they already do. [07:17] distros already heavily patch their kernels :) [07:18] I think the problem is more with the innards of the kernel, not configs [07:18] we're not a distro, though. end user server fram [07:18] farm [07:18] not all of them spook :) [07:18] packeteer: obviously, we dont. [07:18] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-qeszebhzefbohxla) joined ##slackware. [07:19] what is Slim? [07:20] I guess Tannenbaum was right ^-^ [07:20] Quiznos: the login manager? [07:21] in context of "integrity management" [07:22] so no one on here has used sox much then? [07:22] Quiznos: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=slim+integrity+management [07:22] well yea but i wanted to chat [07:22] ok - slack13 - anyone know which program can capture a frame from a logitech usb webcam? [07:22] wxcam? [07:22] is that part of default slackware? [07:22] alisonken1noc: what kind of cam? is it uvc? [07:22] Well.. it's basically SELinux [07:23] you have to get the slackbuild for it tho but it works [07:23] v13.0 [07:23] but not [07:23] ok [07:23] spook: uvc logitech usb camera [07:24] alisonken1noc: what kind of capturing, commandline? [07:24] Quiznos: another way to look at it is SLIM is for people who dont trust doors [07:24] doesn't matter - someone asked for a picture of my desktop (you, I think spook) [07:25] alisonken1noc: not me. uvccapture is a good commandline app. but wxcam is good too [07:25] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:26] tree (n=john@202-74-209-70.ue.woosh.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [07:27] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:27] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.229.106) joined ##slackware. [07:28] nositelicense (n=nositeli@cpe-67-49-45-203.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [07:28] i use uvc_streamer to stream the carpark camera to a wiki [07:28] logitech qcp5000 on slack [07:30] tree (n=john@202-74-209-70.ue.woosh.co.nz) left irc: Client Quit [07:30] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.229.106) left irc: Client Quit [07:30] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.229.106) joined ##slackware. [07:32] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86.42.164.61) left irc: "brb" [07:33] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-164-61-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [07:34] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [07:39] geoffro (n=geoffro@ppp121-44-70-158.lns10.syd6.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [07:40] hi, does anybody have any experience with HA clusters using linux-ha (heartbeat) or openais?? [07:41] pmvalente (n=pmvalent@a213-22-61-37.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:42] hi, need help with grub. Install slackware and after a debian distro, and now can't boot Slackware. [07:42] Slackware 13.0 [07:42] pmvalente: use debian's bootloader if that was installed first. [07:44] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.4.224) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:45] I think the problem is that grub doens't recognize ext4 [07:45] i only ask because the documentation for both really really suck and i can't think of anywhere else to ask [07:46] pmvalente: install lilo to the superblock of your slackware partition, and chainload it from grub. [07:46] geoffro: not really the best place to ask [07:46] spook: yeah i know. but i had to start somewhere [07:46] :( [07:47] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.83.170) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:47] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.109) joined ##slackware. [07:50] spook: ok I will try do that [07:50] tree (n=john@202-74-217-205.ue.woosh.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [07:51] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:51] neubie (n=Salme200@41.252.44.34) joined ##slackware. [07:51] sirslacker (n=root@p579B4DEE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving." [07:52] boys and gals i'm wondering if it's possible to login to freedno irc with slackware v12.1 without installing GUI and how? [07:52] freedno irc? [07:52] freednode [07:53] chloros (n=taqois@111.69.243.128) joined ##slackware. [07:53] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.185.223) joined ##slackware. [07:53] but you can also try irrsi [07:53] neubie: irssi, bitchx, epic [07:53] like irssei ? [07:53] hi [07:53] that is text based irc clients [07:53] are thoe text mode softwares? or shall i install kde? [07:53] text mode [07:53] Nick change: hackedhead_ -> hackedhead [07:53] cool [07:54] commandline [07:54] bitchx isnt in slackware anymore, afaik [07:54] thank you [07:54] neubie: i would recommend irssi [07:54] almost everything has a commandline alternative in Linux [07:54] oh more thing ... are they available on the installation disk or must download the packages? [07:54] slackytude: more like, some things have a gui alternative in linux [07:54] insatllation disk [07:54] spook: true [07:54] slackware/n/ :) [07:54] neubie: irssi is in /n/ series [07:55] is that true slackytude? [07:55] spook: should I install lilo from the debian distro? [07:55] irssi or irssei? [07:55] irssi [07:55] pmvalente: no, use slackware if you can. [07:56] neubie: yep. there is lynx a browser (links -g can even show pics) mplayer can play videos on cmdline. there are rss readers, musice players and so on [07:56] mpd <3 [07:56] spook: but I can't boot Slack [07:56] are you serious or just making fun off me slackytude? [07:56] is that true guys? [07:57] all that wares in text mode? [07:57] neubie: yes [07:57] I didnt know that links could show pictures [07:57] but I that about mplayer [07:57] but yes it true.. [07:57] only on a real tty though [07:57] usinc libsvga iirc [07:57] pmvalente: use the install media to boot into it. from the boot: prompt, hugesmp.s root=/dev/yourrootdevice initrd= [07:58] what is the real tty? [07:58] spook: + vga=795 [07:58] geoffro (n=geoffro@ppp121-44-70-158.lns10.syd6.internode.on.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:59] how can i browse the web in text mode? 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[08:02] Zordrak: well, true [08:02] well, maybe you picked the wrong name Zordrak [08:02] ^^ [08:03] slackytude: misspelling (rather than making a typo) someone's name is an insult.. I make a point in this company of knowing how to spell everyone's name.. it's just good manners [08:03] I agree Zrodrak [08:04] neubie (n=Salme200@41.252.44.34) left ##slackware. [08:04] whats the best firewall for s13? [08:04] chloros (n=taqois@111.69.243.128) left ##slackware. [08:04] tree, i would stick with the kernel netfilter [08:04] the one that's built-in to the kernel - netfilter modules [08:04] tree: iptables [08:05] johnal (n=nban@212.183.134.131) joined ##slackware. [08:06] i installed slack 13 and i made a mistake with my keyboard mouse they dont work when i start X can i run a command to reconfigure it like when i was installing ? [08:07] adupuis__ (n=adupuis@80.12.81.23) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [08:07] johnal: whats the output of `du -s /etc/rc.d/rc.hald` ? [08:07] im not on the machine at moment [08:08] >.< [08:08] ok.. well bottom line is hald isnt running [08:08] wondered if i should tried ps2 instead of imps [08:08] no [08:08] thats gpm [08:08] spook: give me and error: could not find kernel image hugesmp.s [08:08] nothing to do with X [08:08] so start hald daemon ? [08:08] johnal: chmod a+x /etc/rc.d/rc.hald [08:08] johnal: /etc/rc.d/rc.hald start [08:09] CmdLnKid_ (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [08:09] ok ill give that ago Zordrak thanks [08:09] Action: Zordrak goes to blog it as its about the 5th time it's cropped up [08:10] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.240.23) joined ##slackware. [08:10] yeah happened to a few people ......ive installed 13 a few time this is the first time it's happed to me [08:11] im guessing you just deselected hal on the startup list" [08:11] i did a full install [08:11] you are prompted *after* install for the services you want to start at boot [08:11] spook: are you there? [08:11] yeah i see what you mean [08:12] thanks anyway il give it ago [08:12] johnal (n=nban@212.183.134.131) left irc: "Leaving" [08:17] slackytude: a quick german question: how would you say "X made Y do something"? (like "he had his girlfriend do him a blowjob" ;) ) [08:18] er macht es geblowjobt? [08:19] geblowjob? interesting turn of phrase that (and no, I don't sprechen de deutche) [08:19] geblowjobt [08:19] not typo :) [08:19] oh - forgot the trailing t :) [08:19] like I said, I don't sprechen [08:20] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.16) joined ##slackware. [08:21] Camarade_Tux: if force is applied, you probably use "gezwungen" [08:22] Camarade_Tux: if its more in the sense of conviced somebody to do something you'd use "überreded" [08:23] Er hat seine Freundind gezwungen, ihm einen zu blasen [08:26] geblowjobt aint bad, actually. Its geblasen, tho [08:26] CmdLnKid (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:26] Nick change: CmdLnKid_ -> CmdLnKid [08:26] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) left irc: Connection reset by peer [08:26] azarion (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) joined ##slackware. [08:26] azarion (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) left irc: Connection reset by peer [08:28] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) joined ##slackware. [08:28] Camarade_Tux: any reason you need to know how to say that in German? Im kinda curious [08:31] Ok, FYI - For people whose keyboard & mouse is not working in X: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/09/22/if-your-keyboard-and-mouse-are-not-working-in-x-in-slackware-13/ [08:31] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [08:32] hcfd (n=fed@host86-131-179-38.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [08:32] slackytude: thanks a lot :) [08:33] slackytude: an no, that was just an example, it occured to me it would fit the channel :D [08:34] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.16.12) joined ##slackware. [08:36] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [08:38] BleSS (n=quassel@87.223.166.117) joined ##slackware. [08:38] which optimal size range would be when it's built a filesystem with -T largefile and for largefile4? [08:40] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:40] wth [08:40] that sounds like a "I have homework and didn't read" question [08:41] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:44] today is the autumnal equinox [08:46] Camarade_Tux: here is a fun sentence to translate [08:46] Camarade_Tux: "Alle Bläser die jetz noch keinen Ständer haben, gehen sofort hoch und holen sich einen runter" [08:46] slackytude: hmmmm..... [08:47] slackytude: and I have to leave this computer (plus I can't display all the chars), I'll be checking it in about one hour ;) [08:48] BleSS (n=quassel@87.223.166.117) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [08:49] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host81-151-88-93.range81-151.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [08:50] Camarade_Tux: do that ^-^ bonus points for finding out how many words have a naughty second meaning [08:51] el linuxtoday.com: "SECURITY: Linux botnet discovery points to lazy administrators" [08:51] old [08:52] according to builderau.com (article home), it was posted 09/21 [08:53] we already knew about the lazy admin issues on this channel, though [08:56] linux is as safe as the intelligence of he who admins it [08:56] yep [08:56] as opposed to say, windows, where you can be a great/smart admin and still get pwned [08:56] lazy admins at fault? who knew [08:56] slashiot and the register covered it 10 days ago [08:57] * /. [08:58] it'll only get worse though as more distribs are handling things for you, so admins become lazy admins or even non-admins when everything is taken care of for you [08:58] which works as long as those upstream are not lazy admins [09:00] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:00] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:03] laziness and intelligence have little in common [09:04] being lazy often requires you to automate your job, as any good admin should be doing [09:05] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:05] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [09:06] Hey. As some of you are working admins, can I get a little advice as I am a student who is seeking an internship soon? [09:06] being lazy means making .SlackBuilds rather than taking notes that you have to refrence every time something changes [09:06] hcfd: you can ask.. but you will get irreconcilably conflicting responses [09:07] firedix (n=firedix@host36.200-117-195.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [09:07] hcfd: so what's the question? [09:07] Zordrak: I should hope so, too! [09:07] alisonken1noc: yep [09:07] alison, i am not so sure i agree. making a slackbuild can be smart for example to streamline deployment and/or upgrading processes. this is a smart approach (depending on your perspective) and not lazy. [09:08] slackbuilds are anything but laziness [09:08] flvr (i=0@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) left ##slackware. [09:08] Well, it's an open ended question really. How can I best prepare myself for the glorious world of network admin, assuming that I want to a) do things properly and b) be 'marketable'? [09:08] they are an intelligent method for improving efficiency and eliminating mistakes [09:08] the most effective admins are the lazy ones - they're the ones making scripts to automate tasks rather than redoing the same things over and over [09:08] hcfd: first of all, don't confuse network admins with sysadmins :) [09:09] hcfd: . get a degree, 2. spend a year doing ISP tech support [09:09] lazy is not equivalent to wanting to minimize the man hours you dedicate to something, it is cutting corners and shortchanging your system because you don't want to work on something [09:09] hcfd: a. get a degree, 2. spend a year doing ISP tech support , d. get lucky [09:09] Zordrak: quest for efficiency often stems from laziness [09:09] adeodatus (n=RF@92.85.210.179) joined ##slackware. [09:09] alison, i don't agree with that at all. like i said, finding ways to automate or minimize repetition is smart, not lazy. [09:09] the real answers is get connected, have connection get you a job, ..., profit! [09:09] ananke: not from my side of things... the more efficient i can make a process the more tasks i can fith into my day [09:10] ananke: so i make the same effort regardless... but if i can do more with the same efort... bonus [09:10] hcfd: work your ass off the first few years, and find somebody who can mentor you. volunteer if necessary, just to get experience [09:10] I read somewhere that a boss looks for a lazy admin - because the lazy admin will spend the most amount of work on trying to make things more efficient by automating tasks that should be automated [09:10] lazyness is an admirable quality in an engineer [09:10] that's a warped definition of lazy imho [09:10] laziness is too wide a word [09:10] Some context for you: I'm studying a general Comp Sci degree, I'm halfway through my CCNA, starting CompTIA N+, S+ and L+. Will have two of those CompTIAs by the time placement rolls around. I was previously a Windows aficionado and have been using Slackware for about a year now. I love it. [09:11] hcfd: IMO the CompTIAs are a complete waste of time and money.. same as an MCSE [09:11] the whole point of engineering is to do more with less [09:11] i am using lazy to mean someone who shirks his responsibility due to allergies to work [09:11] hcfd: what's missing in your mix is experience. volunteer or do internships [often the same thing] [09:11] if an employer wants you to have them they will send you off to take them [09:12] experience is the ONL?Y thing that matters after a degree [09:12] streamlining, increasing efficiency, removing duplication is smart, not lazy [09:12] by my definition [09:12] certs aren't really worth anything [09:12] if you want to be employable a degree is necessary... after than experience is all anyone cares about [09:12] Skywise: they are worth something, especially in his case, where he has little experience [09:12] they're just revinue streams for the certifiers [09:12] Zordrak: All of that alphabet soup is pretty much worthless. Mere profit generation for the vendors, and in the case of CompTIA, just too easy and largely irrelevant. I agree. [09:12] they've more then proven themselves not to be an indicator of ability [09:13] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-fqmcgrmmmcycblmq) joined ##slackware. [09:13] Action: hcfd nods [09:13] Action: The-Croupier nods too [09:13] Skywise: it's a good way to get through the HR department [09:13] hcfd: i agree with Zordrak on the comptia stuff, but i do have my A+ and Net+. I got them when i first started out. I think in the beginning they can show you are really wanting to learn and be in this field. [09:13] some places require them. [09:13] hiya ananke, agentc0re, [09:13] hcfd: When i have someone in for interview.. all i care about is: 1. Their attitude, 2. What ability they can demonstrate, 3. They would enjoy the work and therefor attack it properly [09:13] At my level now, i don't care about them nor would i hire anyone based on them. [09:13] agent, in that case you bite the bullet, if it a door opener then *shrug* [09:13] when i evaluate applicants for sysadmins [junior ones], good certs help them [09:14] that would be a sign to go away from that place because its prolly full of idiots with certs they can't spell [09:14] Most important to me for a co-worker is, Will we get a long. [09:14] Skywise: : you couldn't spell 'revenue' :) [09:14] My CCNA average is 98% so far. Could I configure a simple network? Er.. so long as I have my notes and Google to hand. Yes. Certification is just to get through CV filters as far as I'm concerned. I'm dying to get on placement and get real experience. [09:14] thats a typo [09:14] hcfd: CCNA is bull. My entire class got 100% cause the tutor cousdnt give a shit [09:14] i didn't even notice until you said something [09:15] but i prefer independence [09:15] sorry guys, i have this wireless card, that send packets, but doesnt recieve any. i cannot ping the router, i do get connected to this wireless network aparently. i put a static ip, i put the dns static. (its a windows laptop) has anyone seen somehting like this? what would be a valid search for that? [09:15] Skywise: not to mention that HR department is not a representative of what a given organization has to offer. it's more than likely that initial application screening is done by less skilled personnel [09:15] slackytu2e (n=icke@p4FD89D67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:15] i want someone i can hand a task to, and get a result [09:15] mornin The-Croupier. :D [09:15] Skywise: That's always a good one too. [09:16] slackytu3e (n=icke@p4FD89D67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:16] i dissabled the firewall as well [09:16] still the same [09:16] ananke, HR is a bastion of evil designed to impede wherever possible [09:16] hcfd: This is important: Your CV will get you into the interview. As soon as you're in the interview your CV doesnt mean shit. Sometimes, too many certifications will STOP you getting the interview because it looks like you spent too much time getting certified when you should have been doing real-world stuff.. or because you werent good at real world stuff [09:16] Zordrak: Hmm. I do study the material 'properly'.. my class's average is more like 80%. [09:16] hcfd: be prepared to sacrifice the first couple of years to doing grunt work [09:16] ananke: is soooo right [09:16] The-Croupier: i bet you don't have a default gateway set. [09:16] agentc0re: you loose [09:16] Skywise: while i'm not disagreeing with you on that, bottom line is that one needs to learn how to play the game [09:16] A degree and an attitude is all your CV needs. The rest is up to what experience you can demonstrate in the interview [09:16] ananke: Bah, be prepared to do that forever. [09:17] Zordrak: and how good you are in HR [09:17] If you are a lone sysadmin, you'll be doing all the grunt work plus all the backend. [09:17] agentc0re: i've been in the work force for some time, no need to tell me that :) however, he needs to be prepared for it even more [09:17] ananke, true, thats why i work for myself [09:17] Thanks for the sound advice guys. [09:17] interviews were always a piece of cake for me.... but didnt mean i could do the job [09:17] Skywise: and you belong to the minority :) [09:17] experience is the key [09:18] If you can get enough experience you *can* leapfrog the gruntwork out of Uni because you can already demonstrate the experience you wauld have gotten from it [09:18] ananke: heheh. very true. :D [09:18] eg working in a Uni IT dept part time [09:18] *working* not hanging around [09:18] ananke, i got tired of my company charging $1600 a day for my work and only giving me $100 [09:18] sorry guys, im really in a stupid hurry.... is there a reason why a wifi card would not recieve pkts but would send alright? [09:18] The-Croupier: yeah.. no signal [09:18] Zordrak: nope..signal is full [09:18] Zordrak: yep, that helps a lot. that's why i always suggest volunteering. that's a good way to get your foot in the door there, and you may end up with a lot of experience at the end of your college career [09:18] what else [09:19] hcfd: so to sum up... dont waste your time on any more certifications and go do some work even if you dont get paid [09:19] sometimes it cannot get ip [09:19] Zordrak: Would you consider any and all experience paramount then? I mean a few days spent volunteering to setup a tiny little LAN for an old folks home > Certification X, pretty much? [09:19] actually, theres lots of associations and organizations that can't afford a full time it person but would pay for maintenece [09:19] hcfd: no.. thats home experience [09:20] even when it does....it doesnt send..wellll it says it does anyway [09:20] hcfd: no. you need steady work for a long time, outside of your home [09:20] hcfd you have to be smart about what constitutes relevant experience [09:20] hcfd: you need experience in a mid-size network like a uni/college/small business [09:20] actually now lots of companies are looking to outsource even their internal IT department [09:20] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: "just to eat" [09:20] don't highlight that you once plugged a crossover cable between your friend's and your machine [09:20] i know of one company who just fired a $45k employee to hire a company for $60k to do the same job [09:20] Skywise: they try getting one guy for most of the jobs... [09:21] hcfd: I got a LOT of experience like setting up a mini tech-support business at uni for others.. but its home experience so it means litte [09:21] haha mancha [09:21] hcfd: My best advice is, Don't take any BS. Always be assertive and have good initiative, if you screw something up you learn from it. Be cocky. Not the asshole kind, but when someone asks you something make sure you are coming off as if you knew that 10 years ago even if you learned it yesterday. [09:21] hcfd: you need to work with real kit in a real environment [09:21] contractor work is not for everybody. i know more people that hate it than not [09:21] oh its a hard knock life [09:21] agentc0re: pfff, of course... [09:21] definitely, show inititative [09:21] hcfd: if you can spend ANY time anywhere near high-availability services you're good to go [09:21] hcfd: Most important, It's not what you know, but WHO you know. [09:22] the hardest part of working for yourself is getting paid [09:22] working for yourself == education [09:22] thats why i don't advertise, i don't want some random anonymous customer, i deal with people i know [09:22] word of mouth is how i get new customers [09:22] Phoenixfire159 (i=Phoenixf@kc-la57-ws2008.dorm.duke.edu) joined ##slackware. [09:22] hi I'm really new to slackware [09:23] come from a debian to gentoo to arch linux background [09:23] hcfd: what do you want to do as a career? [09:23] just wondering how I find out to which package a file belongs [09:23] phzin (n=Reggae@189.57.19.89) joined ##slackware. [09:23] Zordrak: Okay. I was asking about the small stuff because insofar as my current academic commitments and health permit me.. all I could manage is some small stuff. From January I will have an internship, after that I'll be back to finish my degree. What I'm trying to figure out right now though is what to go for in terms of placement, what to do after that (while I'm still at Uni). [09:23] The-Croupier: do you have 2 default gw's set? because i would think that if you are A)connected to the wireless and you can see that in the wireless router logs, and 2) default gw is set 3)you set the correct ip/subnet, you should be able to at least ping your router. [09:23] Phoenixfire159: grep "filename" /var/log/packages/* [09:23] Phoneix, if installed, the file lists are in files in /var/log/packages [09:23] Phoenixfire159: grep /var/log/packages [09:23] join the army no bills no stress [09:23] phoenixfire?!?! Where's fire|bird.... [09:23] this has got to be his brother. [09:24] does rpm use that dir? [09:24] hcfd: make contacts at the place you'll be an intern. network yourself. get a linkedin.com account, and start working on your resume [09:24] hcfd: that all depends on what you want to specialise in... but for the most part it doesnt matter.. as long as its real-world experience it will be good [09:24] okay thank you [09:24] hcfd: ohh, and find somebody to review your resume. most likely yours sucks :) [09:24] hcfd: in the same way it doesnt matter what your degree is in as long as its related.. what matters is that you were capable of getting a scientific-related degfree [09:24] Action: agentc0re hates resume's [09:24] ananke: Honestly, the best answer I can give right now is 'networking'... not support but operations/engineering. [09:25] like i said before, if you really want a job, get one from a friend [09:25] Phoenixfire159: another way would be slackpkg search NAME [09:25] Skywise: wtf? [09:25] what is slackpkg? [09:25] zero0one (n=zerone@ppp-94-64-210-2.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:25] ananke: I have a very clever aunt who is a wizard with waffle ;) [09:25] getting a job from a friend can be detrimental to learning what it takes to have a job [09:25] Phoenixfire159, a package manager [09:25] definately not firebird's brother.. he would know slackpkg [09:25] hcfd: the only way in is through support. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200 [09:25] Phoenixfire159: a program to fetch updates and new packages and stuff [09:26] most jobs are handed out to people with an existing relationship, it provides a comfort factor [09:26] by the way how do you guys manage packages here? [09:26] because I've been told to use swaret [09:26] hcfd: only the people who survive the support are worthy of making it through to netadmin [09:26] slackpkg [09:26] hcfd: it sucks.. but thats just how it is [09:26] i don't, i download tar files and compile and isntall [09:26] Phoenixfire159: swaret is deprecated, and never was recommended. [09:26] Zordrak: I would like to minimise time spent there though..? [09:26] slackpkg and slackbuilds with the help of slackbuilds.org and sbopkg from sbopkg.org [09:26] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD8A05D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:26] hcfd: thats where the experience comes in [09:26] slackbuilds rock [09:26] agentc0re: checked all those..and still not able to ping the router [09:27] ananke: what is swaret deprecated by? [09:27] i customize too much for packages to be of an advantage to me [09:27] hcfd: if you get no other experince then you have to demonstrate that the grunt work alone prepared you forc being a netadmin.... which it wont [09:27] so youll be stuck [09:27] it couldnt be the wireless not working, because i can connect to other routers [09:27] but not on mine [09:27] you need the other experience first [09:27] Phoenixfire159: slackpkg. by deprecated i mean it's no longer maintained, and never was official. [09:27] Action: hcfd nods [09:27] slackytu1e (n=icke@p4FD8A05D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:27] then you get gruntwork.. then you hawwer away at every sysadmin/netadmin job within 2,000 miles till you get one [09:28] *hammer [09:28] okay, and just curious about the matter of dependencies [09:28] The-Croupier: Curious, does your wireless router not do dHCP (maybe cuz it's an access point instead?) [09:28] Phoenixfire159: theyre your responsibility [09:28] yep [09:28] okay, so say I find some new package that I'm interested in [09:28] what is a good resource to find out [09:28] dependencies are easy, a seg fault lets you know you screwed up [09:28] what kind of dependencies it has? [09:28] agentc0re: what if that was the case... could be... :( [09:28] I am aware that there are no shortcuts to gaining knowledge and ability, and I'm glad it is that way. Still, I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling that a few years of crappy support work is 'beneath' me? [09:28] Phoenixfire159: slackbuilds.org [09:28] ldd will tellyou [09:28] slackware doesn't check for dependencies [09:28] hcfd: the place you'll be doing your internship at, are they heavily involved in networking? [09:28] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [09:28] Phoenixfire159: if it needs something else.. the readme will tell you [09:29] agentc0re: that means i would have to put ip/submask/dns by hand [09:29] or when you compile, you can opt out of stuff you don't have with ./configure [09:29] Phoenixfire159: a full slack install has most of what you need already [09:29] i even did, obtain everything automatically and it still didnt work [09:29] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [09:29] okay, because I'm just worried that say a binary dynamically links another library [09:29] by dynamically I mean at runtime [09:29] rather than at load time [09:29] just remember to install the development packages if you plan on compiling thing [09:29] then ldd won't tell you [09:29] hcfd: that's typical. you're a college graduate, you think you worked hard to get your diploma, and you think you deserve better. it's very typical. what's coming to you soon is reality check: you're not worth much. with no experience, you will be doing grunt work for peanuts [09:29] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@79.54.69.19) joined ##slackware. [09:30] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [09:30] ananke: ++ [09:30] no one even works in the disicpline of their degree anyway [09:30] ananke: even after two years, im doing actual work fof peanuts [09:30] fof/for [09:30] Phoenixfire159: the README will tell you [09:30] Skywise: that's a false statement. [09:30] nah [09:30] The-Croupier: welcome to the workforce :) [09:30] thank you brother [09:30] hi [09:30] people change careers at least 5 times now [09:30] Phoenixfire159: if a README doesnt tell you what the software needs in order to run the software is gonna be shit anyway [09:31] Skywise: i know plenty of people who do, so your statement is false [09:31] glad to be here [09:31] i don't, so its true [09:31] Skywise: some dont. Many do [09:31] i havent [09:31] ananke: Well, I haven't applied to anyplace yet. I will apply to many though in the coming week. My top five... one is a global corp, two are national telecoms companies, two are basically software companies.. [09:31] Skywise: you said 'no one'. a single example to prove your theory doesn't make your statement true [09:31] i agree, if you have to be sherlock holmes to figure out dependencies then the app is made a monkey [09:31] mancha: lol [09:31] hcfd, : good luck,man:) [09:31] The-Croupier: Okay it is morning... I am still drinking coffee... i thought you said you had to manually put in your ip address. [09:31] ok, i'll modify my statement to no one who counts [09:32] agentc0re: i did :( [09:32] Skywise: you're not making a strong case for yourself [09:32] i meant provide a static ip in the properties [09:32] for me nobody counts [09:32] Phoenixfire159: just about EVERYTHING youll need is either in slackware or available at slackbuilds.org. And anything at SBo WILL tell you its dependencies and they will asmost certainly also be on SBo.... stick to Slack+SBo and youll be laughing [09:32] The-Croupier: in your rc.inet1.conf ? [09:32] Action: The-Croupier counts only [09:32] 1 [09:32] 2 [09:32] gbowden (n=gbowden@180.Red-81-44-122.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [09:32] Channel flood from The-Croupier -- kicking [09:32] 3 [09:32] The-Croupier kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [09:32] oh no, on cnn they just showed a house that burned down from a flood and the fire truck got stuck and flooded on the way to the house [09:32] hitest: Thankyou kindly :) [09:33] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-fqmcgrmmmcycblmq) joined ##slackware. [09:33] lol [09:33] The-Croupier: in your rc.inet1.conf ? [09:33] looks like i cannot count much [09:33] how does a flood cause a fire, that's precious [09:33] flammable water sucks [09:33] electrical system shorting [09:33] agentc0re: i think you didnt read the full statement above... or you chose to ignore that part, i would as well.. [09:33] my point in essence is, you really can't tell what you want to do for a lifetime at 18 [09:33] some people have no imagination [09:33] um I just installed slackpkg [09:33] agentc0re: its a windows machine [09:33] but I have no slackpkg.conf file [09:34] Phoenixfire159: read the manual man... its all there [09:34] Phoenixfire159: cd /etc/slackpkg; ls [09:34] you can always make one [09:34] type man slackpkg [09:34] The-Croupier: No, just woke up and the chatlog scroll is fast for a morning today. :P [09:34] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [09:34] agentc0re: i thought so [09:34] agentc0re: blame hcfd [09:34] agentc0re: its a windows machine [09:34] =) [09:34] did you get that one [09:34] Zordrak: I've no idea why I didn't check there [09:35] damn you hcfd!!!! :P [09:35] Phoenixfire159: me either [09:35] atlanta is getting hammered, didn't they have a drought last year? [09:35] The-Croupier: have you tried turning it off and on again? [09:35] :D [09:35] agentc0re: that was the first thing in my mind [09:35] yes [09:35] lol [09:35] i tried the following: [09:36] Phoneix, i am surprised, if gentoo has one claim to fame it is its aggressive documentation streak, coming from that you should value docs [09:36] have you disabled and renabled the adapter? [09:36] Action: Zordrak waits for the next kick... [09:36] a) turn on/off b) static ip and dns and gw c) dynamic all [09:36] yeah, some one needs to enable flood protection [09:36] Gentoo had good doc's but then the wiki died... [09:36] they've rebuilt it to 95+% i heard [09:36] yea, no backup for the wiki lol [09:37] mancha: actually I haven't gotten 'man' installed yet [09:37] still.. who doesnt back sthg like that up? [09:37] d) restart pc, e)dissable firewall [09:37] Thanks again for all the solid advice. I'm going to save it and act on it. [09:37] mancha: trying to get there [09:37] Phoenixfire159: do a FULL install.. then start again [09:37] Phoenixfire159: try man something on google..its good [09:37] gbowden (n=gbowden@180.Red-81-44-122.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:37] Zordrak: I'm actually on a VPS and I'm using their pre-deployed image [09:37] it didn't come with anything [09:37] The-Croupier, what does ipconfig say? [09:37] Phoenixfire159: O_O [09:37] I had to install findutils, file, etc. [09:37] ananke: "what's coming to you soon is reality check: you're not worth much." <- very Fight Club-esque, I like that. :) [09:38] route print says nothing and ipconfig says nothing ... it doesnt get an ip sometimes [09:38] ipconfig? [09:38] and when it does...just the things that i put in [09:38] hcfd: i deal with a lot of students. it's a very common attitude [09:38] slackytu3e: hahaha, I'm not sure I'll find any second meaning ;) [09:38] Phoenixfire159: find the slackware media and installpkg */*.t?z [09:38] (well, seems I can find some ;) ) [09:38] you should check your system logs or dmesg after you run those commands [09:38] hcfd: in fact, the first couple of years will be like a boot camp. you'll be stripped of your dreams :) [09:38] The-Croupier: you could try flushing the route table and then setting the interface to static. Also besure to turn off LMHOSTS (always do that). [09:38] mancha: yeah bro..sorry its a win machine [09:38] Action: Camarade_Tux pokes Phoenixfire159 in the eye [09:39] i would set the interface to static, THEN try to connect to the wireless AP. [09:39] and says hi to the channel :) [09:39] LMHOSTS, ipconfig, thats sounding very windows-esque, wtf [09:39] The-Croupier: ^^ [09:39] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [09:39] um, internet says that pam is not official on slackware yet [09:39] so is it safe to install? [09:39] sure [09:39] no [09:39] Phoenixfire159: pam is NOT in slack and i dont think it ever will [09:39] but i don't [09:39] pam is teh fail [09:40] Phoenixfire159: you'd have to change looooots of things to get a pam-enabled system [09:40] Action: ananke thinks by slack 15, pat may be thinking of pam [09:40] Phoenix, PAM is not a monolithic animal, if you want a pam'ed system it'll require more than just a single package [09:40] try installing it if you really need to.. but youll get bored after you break it 3 or 4 times [09:40] kejen (n=brian@67.202.107.232) left irc: "leaving" [09:40] oh... I need it [09:40] Phoenixfire159: if you need a pam enabled distro, slackware may not be for you [09:40] Phoenixfire159: you could technically install it, but there is a lot of work besides installing pam iirc. [09:40] oic [09:40] agentc0re: pm? [09:40] like I actually do [09:40] Phoenixfire159: why? [09:40] pam_ldap [09:40] why? [09:40] The-Croupier: quickly.. gotta get ready to go do this at work now :P [09:40] Phoenixfire159: just use another distro :) [09:40] yeah, pam isn't pretty, but its not that hard to make config files [09:40] yeah I wrote all my pam configs manually [09:40] Phoenixfire159: use lubuntu :D [09:41] and I know what modules I need [09:41] Phoenixfire159: why do you *need* pam_ldap? [09:41] why doesn't slack like pam? [09:41] go for it [09:41] Phoenix, maybe a good question at this point is "why did you decide to move to slackware" [09:41] pm me pls cos im in web one [09:41] because I've got a cluster with centralize authentication [09:41] thats the beauty of slack, you can do what the hell you want [09:41] cause slack is lean and mean and totally scores with chicks [09:41] Phoenixfire159: why not pick a distro aimed for clusters? [09:42] Phoenixfire159: who will be logging in to this machine as a local user? [09:42] i can think of only one person here who uses pam with slackware, and i believe it's Stratera. [09:42] he's prolly using pam for services like imap [09:42] agentc0re: shhhhh [09:42] ananke: what is a distro aimed for clusters? [09:42] I really like vanilla and being able to customize everything myself [09:42] Skywise: thats my point.. you dont NEED pam for that [09:42] which is why I really liked Arch [09:42] ananke: Maybe that explains why I think I'm better than the admins at my Uni - they're not stupid, they're just broken spirits. You have to wonder at the stunts they pull sometimes though. Man.. :) [09:42] spook - do you have skype? [09:42] most packages were vanilla [09:42] agentc0re: can you speak on that ...cos looks like i cant [09:42] Phoenixfire159: lots. depends on what you need. for starters, rocks [09:43] Action: The-Croupier agentc0re cool...could you pls tell me somehow how do i do that? [09:43] Zordrak, it does simplify things tho, i got cyrus using sasl with an ldap backend, but i wouldn't wish that on anyone [09:43] hcfd: you just think you're better. chances are you may not be :) [09:43] hcfd: most support people are stupid.. thats why theyre still doing support.. i fthey werent theyd have found their way through before the end of their 2nd year [09:43] that was a bad command [09:44] Skywise: i did that with courier.. have since realised i shoulda used dovecot.. life is simple again [09:44] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [09:44] wait, so nothing in slack is built against pam [09:44] no-thing [09:44] Zordrak: aren't you doing support? :) [09:44] Phoenixfire159: you still havent said what you plan to auth against pam_ldap..... [09:44] Phoenixfire159: no. nothing [09:44] ananke: no.. im a sysadmin [09:45] but you can make it yourself [09:45] Zordrak: centralized authentication [09:45] it also takes care of my postfix [09:45] make your slack like you want it [09:45] and httpd [09:45] and a number of other things [09:45] my postgresql [09:45] Phoenixfire159: postfix can auth other ways... httpd = mod_authz_ldap [09:46] zordrak: yeah it's possible but it's much simpler with pam [09:46] Zordrak: which means you do a high level support :) [09:46] Phoenix, slackware is the only serious distribution that isn't pam-enabled, you made an interesting choice. [09:46] mancha: yeah I like slack so far but this could be a deal breaker [09:46] Phoenixfire159: if youre absolutely set on pam_ldap then go for it... i would like to see someone properly succeed and document what theyve done [09:46] maybe I'll use it on my desktop [09:46] ananke: If my classmates' average performance is indicative of average performance in the world at large then.. truly, I am a cut above. However, I don't know much at all... which makes me wonder how those average people ever get on? [09:46] i could do it [09:46] Zordrak: the problem is I'll have to recompile a lot of things [09:46] linux-utils [09:47] postgres [09:47] and that takes like what 10 mins? [09:47] httpd [09:47] postfix [09:47] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:47] Action: The-Croupier loves slackware and now is off the channel to go and have sweet talk with the little slackware laptop, awsome theme,wonderful xfce ...and much more.. see you soon [09:47] Phoenixfire159: indeed.. but since they are ALL built using slackbuild scripts.. all you have to do is change the configure flags in the script and re-run it [09:47] seeya all guys [09:47] oh noes, don't make me run make;make install [09:47] Phoenixfire159: i've tried to get everything set up for ldap. i gave up. [09:47] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-fqmcgrmmmcycblmq) left ##slackware. [09:47] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [09:47] Skywise: dude I've LFS'ed before, it's just too much time when package updates come [09:48] I'm on arch and I already spend half an hour every day keep my cluster updated [09:48] don't update unless you need too [09:48] Phoenixfire159: then slack is just not for you [09:48] Phoenixfire159: and you really may consider doing another distro. what kind of cluster is it? hpc, ha? how big? [09:48] Zordrak: ananke's comment has a definite ring of truth to it, but I too would question why the upward path is apparently so tough. Maybe smart people find a quicker way. I certainly hope so. [09:48] I think I might go back to Arch [09:48] hcfd: theres a VERY VERY simple reason [09:48] so far I feel like Arch is slackware with dependency tracking [09:48] and pam... [09:49] oic [09:49] Zordrak: what is a slackbuild? [09:49] and retarded developers [09:49] well that might be better for you [09:49] k.i.s.s. [09:49] ongun (n=pc@88.242.251.88) joined ##slackware. [09:49] at some point slackware going pammable would be a welcome addition [09:49] hcfd: being smart helps, but you simply lack experience. you can learn quickly, but you will need somebody to babysit you for the first year or so. that requires effort [09:49] Managers are morons. They hire people who appear good. Not people who *are* good. Any non IT person who is in charge of hiring an IT person is going to fail [09:49] ananke: No doubt. [09:49] Phoenixfire159, slackbuilds.org [09:49] they'll surround themselves with suckups [09:49] and the IT market is flooded with people who think they know what theyre talkincg aout but actually know shit all [09:50] do they have 'slackbuilds' for the official slackware packages? [09:50] yeah, i have to spank them all the time [09:50] Zordrak: that's bs. i've seen plenty of good managers who didn't know much IT [09:50] the worst are the ms fanboys [09:50] Phoenixfire159, of course. [09:50] Phoenixfire159: ALL slackware packages are built from a bash script called a slackbuild [09:50] Phoenixfire159: go take a look at a mirror of the slackware source [09:50] managing people is a very different skillset than being able to manage a computer. i've seen a ton of IT people who failed as managers [09:51] Zordrak: dude I manage a small independent web development company, I'm also a tech person, I'll admit most managers suck, but trust me it's much more difficult being a manager than people give them credit for [09:51] it boggles my mind how people can be suspicious of open source software and implicitly trust microsoft [09:51] ananke: you misread [09:51] does anyone kwon how to chainload lilo (slackware) from grub [09:51] ongun (n=pc@88.242.251.88) left irc: "Leaving." [09:51] is that even something you should be doing? [09:51] Zordrak: were you refering only to the hiring process? [09:51] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [09:51] Any non IT person who is in charge of **HIRING** an IT person is going to fail [09:51] indeed [09:52] Zordrak: that's partially correct. being in charge does not mean you're the only person involved in making that decision [09:52] i hate hiring so i do everything myself [09:52] Zordrak: Yeah, I've seen that before. I worked for 10 years as a sound engineer and got some certs as an when required. The guys coming from uni into the field knew NOTHING. They couldn't tell a fart from their elbows, and generally their ears were painted on. [09:52] wow, slack went 64-bit before PAM [09:52] s/an/and [09:52] you need to know what you are talking about in order to determine if the candidate knows what theyre talking about or is just blowing smoke [09:52] its seldom worth the time to train someone [09:53] done... [09:53] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [09:53] Zordrak: most of the time technical people sit on interview panels and provide a large amount of input, that goes into evaluating candidates [09:53] hcfd, i realized that during a summer internship my junior year [09:53] Phoenixfire159: FWIW I run a mid-size network.. with LDAP at the centre and the whole core network is slackware [09:53] Skywise: you need other people though for non-technical things [09:53] this was way back when, when pc networks were new [09:53] like for example I *need* a designer [09:53] Phoenix, 64 bit was due to the perseverence and convincing powers of one of hte lead dev volunteers. i think there is simply no will at the top for pam [09:53] i had installed a novell network and got certified that summer [09:53] ananke: and then the manager ignores them cause the idiot the tech guys hated plays golf and will work for less money :) [09:53] Action: Zordrak ducks [09:53] dssssssssssssssssssss``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````67 ddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd,m zy6Yddddddd [09:54] Zordrak: sounds like you had some bad experience :) [09:54] went back to school and no one had even heard of it or of pc networking [09:54] okay, well thanks a lot guys I've got to go, can't decide If I want to force PAM on slack or to switch back to Arch [09:54] all the pcs we had at college were used as standalones [09:54] ananke: a lot of people here (software engineers) got hired that way :) [09:55] Phoenixfire159: simple thingc is.. i dont want users to have local access [09:55] so in a part time summer internship i had already surpassed the knowledge of my schools department of computer sciences [09:55] Phoenixfire159: if a *service* will be used by users.. that service does separate ldap auth [09:55] Phoenixfire159: the local user database is effectively just root/admin account [09:56] =Pso the boxes are secured from the users.. they just use the services [09:56] What a serendipitous event: The local college just called to say that the CompTIA classes (due to start tomorrow night) are cancelled due to pathetic uptake. I guess now I can recover the fees and spend my time on something more practical. [09:56] Phoenixfire159: i don't see if you ever answered my question. what kind of cluster will it be, and how large? [09:56] hcfd: +++ [09:56] they always said that college is at least 5 years behind the state of the art, but in technology thats an era [09:57] college is not a trade school [09:57] some colleges are the source of the state of the art [09:57] jmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmq5w 4rtjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjz [09:57] hiptobecubic: stop [09:57] hiptobecubic: umm? [09:57] wtf [09:57] LOOOL! sorry guys. I went to the bathroom and the cat has been rolling on my laptop [09:57] hiptobecubic: your cat dancing on your keyboard? ;) [09:57] i dunno, maybe they do basic research but as far as putting out products, not so much [09:57] get your cat off the keyboard before i remove its ribcage [09:58] LOL [09:58] good guess(!) [09:58] and then they rip off the students work besides [09:58] ... it apparently also deleted my xfce panel and cleared my autoconnect channels. [09:58] i never understood why the schools retain the rights to your work in college when you're paying them [09:58] need help, I install slackware 13.0 and after I install a debian distro, now the grub can't boot slack. any ideas [09:59] pmvalente, did you install slack to ext4? [09:59] is it ext4? does your grub talk e4? [09:59] pmvalente: go to debian and update grubs conf, or install lilo from slack and add the debian image [09:59] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:59] Skywise: to allow products of education to flow back [09:59] pmvalente: i recommend option 2 [10:00] hiptobecubic: yes [10:00] Zordrak, but he can't boot slack. [10:00] hiptobecubic: so? [10:00] in the real world its the guy who pays the bills who owns the work product [10:00] pmvalente, normally, grub cannot boot ext4 [10:00] Zordrak++ [10:00] hiptobecubic: iniinstall CD will do that [10:00] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@70.16.70.118) joined ##slackware. [10:00] rolling on your laptop eh? [10:00] Zordrak: I install lilo on slackware superblock, but can't chainloader either [10:00] boot to slack from install media.. mount.. bind mount proc, chroot, lilo [10:00] job dhone [10:00] Zordrak, sure. I guess i'm just not used to having them around. [10:01] pmvalente, install lilo [10:01] on the mbr not the slack superblock [10:01] mancha: ++ [10:01] slack chooses lilo for a reason [10:01] it works [10:01] grub just doesnt [10:01] mancha: and then I can't boot my arch and back trace [10:02] your arch? [10:02] pmvalente: why not? [10:02] grub works fine (but needs patches for ext4), its just troublesome to set up [10:02] Im so sick of people bitching about how lilo *cant* do this or that... just because they didnt read the docs that tell them it can and how [10:02] fatalnix: where can I find patches to grub and ext4 [10:02] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@70.16.70.118) left irc: Client Quit [10:02] *thats a general statement) [10:03] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [10:03] pmvalente, the great googley-moogley has them [10:03] Zordrak: yes you are write, i'm used to grub [10:03] whats hard about lilo? [10:04] i was really surprised at lilo [10:04] Having only used grub it too me maybe 10 minutes to understand and use lilo [10:04] lilo is just more primitive. sometimes it's sufficient, sometimes it's annoying due to lacking functionality [when compared to grub] [10:04] grub is in the extra dir [10:05] fatalnix: its noth ext4 patched though is it? [10:05] the only thing lilo is lacking towards grub is ability to edit the config in real time [10:05] sometimes LiLO just works; whereas GrUB is already trying to get it right with GrUB2 [10:05] ;) [10:05] AbortRetryFail (n=arf@pool-71-122-88-2.tampfl.ftas.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [10:05] other than that lilo is FAR superior [10:05] yah [10:05] adeodatus (n=RF@92.85.210.179) left irc: Client Quit [10:05] ananke, what functionality is that? [10:05] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [10:05] primitive is good sometimes ;) [10:05] and with GRUB2 and dumb graphical logins its gonna get even better [10:05] take Slackware for instance ... [10:05] sahko: yeah.. but how often do you change kernels? so long as you list the kernels you have installed you can "append" whatever you like [10:06] hiptobecubic: having ability to edit the kernel/initrd entries before you boot [10:06] whats the point of a graphic login on a headless server [10:06] Zordrak: its very handy to edit the config despite of how often its done [10:07] in real time i mean [10:07] of course [10:07] Zordrak: and don't forget you can "addappend = ..." for each image as well [10:07] sahko: let me put it this way.. how often do you add a kernel image while not in your boot environment? [10:07] I never understood why lilo didn't allow for that. You wouldn't think it would be difficult [10:07] sahko: let me put it this way.. how often do you add a kernel image while not in your boot environment - or somewhere you couldnt just run lilo from anyway [10:07] Zordrak, assuming you never make a mistake. [10:08] hiptobecubic: boot media [10:08] not to mention that with grub you can tab-complete file entries, if you are not sure you remember them correctly [10:08] hiptobecubic: and you should ALWAYS have a line for the Huge kernel just in case ANYWAY [10:08] Zordrak, it's not that it's impossible, it's that it's a nice feature. [10:08] i just add a new default image when i add anew kernel [10:08] bah [10:08] an easy to understand config file is also a nice feature [10:08] grub1 is such a piece of shit [10:08] thrice`: thank you [10:09] adamk_ (n=adamk@c-68-45-151-98.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:09] Zordrak: rarely, but dont ask me. i like lilo. i actually didnt like it at first, but using Slack made me appreciate it more [10:10] Zordrak: nobody is arguing that it's impossible to find workarounds with proper and precise practices. point being, grub provides you a safety net, which is often very useful [10:10] alienBOB: ping [10:10] ananke: i still dont see the need for any safety net other than the huge kernel line [10:10] just don't overwrite the old config in lilo and you can always go back [10:11] there's a reason that patrick has stuck with lilo [10:11] Zordrak: because you refuse to acknowledge that people can make mistakes [10:11] ananke: and since grub breaks more often than lilo.. its a false safetf net [10:11] i always append the version number to the kernel filename [10:11] Skywise: you should.. the symlink is just fyor the current one [10:11] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:11] Zordrak: i use grub on more systems than lilo. haven't seen it break any more than lilo. [10:11] and the map file and the sytem.map file and the config file :) [10:11] yeah, but you can still boot the old images [10:12] ananke: how many times have you broken the config? [10:12] Zordrak: plenty. especially with wrong append options, or having to disable them [10:13] ^.^ [10:13] being able to edit the append line in grub, via a remote connection in a serial console is much easier than having to boot that machine remotely to network, mount filesystems, etc [10:13] i'll tell you what utility i don't like, its udev [10:13] i still can't figure how to make that thing do what i want [10:13] slacks (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [10:13] Skywise: so dont :) [10:13] it only does what it wants [10:13] grub in practice is OK, but the software itself is hackish and ugly [10:14] thrice`: that's no lie. damn thing is ugly [10:14] yeah, its a good think i know how to use mknod [10:14] udev is the defacto standard for 2.6, it improves over hotplug by far [10:14] hopefully grub2 fixes it [10:14] thrice`: yes, right about the time when hurd will be ready :) [10:14] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:14] Nick change: slacks -> |Slacker| [10:14] you mean debian hurd unix? [10:14] thatl be a while [10:14] on a side note, can lilo boot from gpt? [10:15] grub1 doesn't compile on 64-bit, doesn't compile on new automake (new = few years old), doesn't compile on gcc4, doesn't work with ext4, doesn't work with ext3 (extents), (etc,) [10:15] neither can i dont think [10:15] won't work with btrfs, i'm sure [10:15] lilo cant.. dont *think* grub1 can [10:15] Zordrak: there are patches for grub [10:15] 1 [10:15] nvision (n=nvision@pD95340F4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:15] I never once had a problem with ext3 and grub [10:15] that's because your grub is patched to hell [10:15] no. [10:16] my comments are regarding vanilla grub; that's why, it requires 10+ patches to simply function [10:16] its become a quilt [10:16] thrice`: yep, it's like qmail of the old days [10:16] where as lilo, being simply a bootloader, doesn't care about such things are FS type [10:16] upstream won't incorporate any patches. instead, grub2 is taking forever [10:17] thrice`: would be nice if it did gpt though [10:17] well, ubuntu is going to ship it :) [10:17] having said that.. i want to know if cfdisk will ever support gpt [10:17] parted blows [10:17] use fdisk [10:17] :D [10:18] fdisk doesnt do gpt either [10:18] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@adsl-249-213-80.bna.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [10:18] just today i'm dealing with this booting from gpt issue. thankfully, i found a workaround that doesn't involve booting from it: looks like my raid controller allows for creating virtual devices [10:18] fdisk/sfdisk/cfdisk don't do gpt, i think the only tool that does is parted [10:18] ananke: my solution was just to seperate [10:18] it should, gpt is the standard [10:18] seperate what? [10:19] Slack is installed on hw RAID1 on velociraptors (300G).. the 3TB store array (gpt) is then mounted into it [10:19] so all lilo has to warry about is booting an ext4 raid1 [10:19] *a [10:19] *o [10:19] Zordrak: see, i didn't want to sacrifice flexibility or storage. this server has 6 1TB drives [10:19] ananke: same here [10:20] just has two velociraptors as well [10:20] there's a fork gpt-fdisk, no? [10:20] Zordrak: but you had to create two different arrays. i have a single one. [10:20] ananke: prefer it that way [10:20] Kumool (n=Monevo@adsl-72-50-74-135.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [10:20] the OS is nice and separate from the data [10:20] so i can manage them individually [10:20] food [10:20] 3ware takes care of the details [10:20] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:20] almost time to go home \o/ [10:21] Zordrak: except you now have 300GB for os that takes less than 10G, and you have less slots for your data disks. i prefer my solution :) [10:21] the size isnt what matters.. i got the velociraptors for the speed.. i could just as well have used 160G spinpoints [10:21] you have a point on the space [10:21] the way i did it was by creating two virtual disks on top of raid6: 100MB for /boot, and the rest for my os/data [10:22] but i planned the chassis around it [10:22] and as soon as its feasible, the OS will go onto flash media anyway [10:22] freeing up the hot swap sata slots [10:22] dell drac cards come with it. unfortunately, this one got ordered without the enterprise drac [10:22] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [10:22] next one in queue has it [10:22] brain freeze.. whats the right word for new flash disks? [10:22] oh yeah.. SSD [10:23] ..SSD? [10:23] brain freeze? [10:23] how do you people get ice cream headaches? [10:23] Does the new build of slackware not ship with a package manager (other than pkgtool) ? [10:23] I can't9~. [10:23] cant* [10:23] my brain. Gefrozet [10:23] brain freeze == synaptic misfire? :) [10:23] Zordrak is so cool, his brain even freezes [10:23] I cant physicly get ice cream headaches [10:23] O_o [10:23] if so, it would be very very hard [10:23] Cryp71c: take a guess [10:23] Cryp71c: pkgtool is the package manager [10:23] Cryp71c: what other package manager is there? :) ( <---- note smiley) [10:23] fatalnix: its a tnhroat freeze.. it just travels up with the blood [10:23] *throat [10:24] Synnaptic (er, damn that's not the exact name...) [10:24] yep, in a vain I do not have [10:24] synaptic [10:24] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [10:24] Yeah, was looking for it =\ [10:24] Cryp71c: man slackpkg [10:24] actually I have it but its shut down [10:24] Zordrak, didn't slackware used to have like, slapt-get or something? or am I remembering wrongly [10:25] slapt-get is an unsupported 3rd party setup that's still available [10:25] Cryp71c: remembering wrong [10:25] not recommended by slackers [10:25] its 3rd party and it blows [10:25] Gotcha. [10:25] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [10:25] slackpkg and sbopkg is the combination you need [10:25] Zordrak, I have the manpage, but I don't seem to actually have it. Is it native to the 13.0 install? [10:25] sbopkg is external.. slackpkg is shipped [10:26] yes [10:26] slackpkg is, sbopkg is http://sbopkg.org [10:26] Cryp71c: you have to be root to run it [10:26] alisonken1home, yeah, but I can't even sudo slackpkg update [10:26] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [10:26] I have to ctrl+alt F2 and log in there as root =\ [10:26] Cryp71c: sudo is not configured by default - try "su -" [10:27] then run slackpkg [10:27] Any recommended mirror to use? [10:27] sudo is nice [10:27] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [10:27] visudo [10:27] the one closest to you is usually recommended - I use slackware.mirrors.tds.net myself [10:28] sudo creates a security issue, so it's a good thing its not enabled by default. [10:28] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [10:28] hey guys. i'm pretty sure I aced that math test today [10:28] how does sudo create a security issue [10:28] Cann0n: excellent [10:28] because it instantly creates more ways to become root. [10:28] slackytu3e: when improperly configured, allows root access to parts that shouldn't be accessible to gui-heads [10:28] agreed. [10:28] fatalnix, I've alredy added my local user to the sudoers file with ALL=(ALL) ALL [10:29] and often normal users have weaker passwords. [10:29] only if you have stupid defaults [10:29] novacrust (n=Crust@72.12.184.33) joined ##slackware. [10:29] i only allow sudo for shutdown [10:29] true, but a lot of people just do the ALL trick [10:29] na [10:30] i prefer using su if i need todo something in root [10:30] sudo /usr/sbin/slackpkg update [10:30] usu is great but su has a drawback too [10:30] su doesnt record what you are doing [10:30] su* [10:31] fyi sudo and sbopkg dont mix [10:31] oo, that answers another question [10:32] I was wondering if there was one of those, I was going to make one with perl [10:32] i'mthe only one that uses this computer (laptop) [10:32] I believe sbopkg and slackpkg keep logs that you can track [10:32] some nagios plugins require sudo [10:33] my slackbuild is almost 1/3 in the queue [10:34] alisonken1noc: yes i do. [10:34] lol thats dumb [10:34] nagios is cool, but wtf. [10:34] I have a few things in my sudo list. like sudo for modprobing a my wifi. around 6 or 7 commands I wanted to have a script [10:34] clank (n=clank@209.123.234.195) left irc: "leaving" [10:34] in that case its usually not good enough to use su [10:34] if you want to script something [10:34] spook: I was going to ask if you could help me check my laptop setup, but someone at the other office helped already. thanks anyways [10:34] np :) [10:35] spook: unless it was you that wanted to see a picture of my office [10:35] XD [10:35] brb [10:35] alisonken1noc: lol. [10:35] lol [10:35] fatalnix: some stuff you might monitor might need root perms to moniter it... so you give sudo access to that one single script to the nagios osurl [10:35] *user [10:35] yeah I was just thinking of that [10:35] Nick change: slackytu3e -> slackytude [10:35] I guess its okay if its enttry in the sudoers file is managed properly [10:37] indeed [10:37] I wouldnt know how to do some jobs without sudo [10:37] and a proberly configured sudoers [10:37] properly even [10:38] proberly [10:38] :D [10:38] lol [10:38] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [10:38] gah [10:39] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) left irc: "Leaving" [10:39] I never cared for sudo. my uncle asks meto tweak his ubuntu box all the time and i constantly have to use sudo [10:39] s/meto/me to [10:39] ubuntu is not a good example [10:39] lol [10:40] good example? [10:40] there is no su on ubuntu. it's sudo this, sudo that, sudo me with a wiffle ball bat. [10:42] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:42] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [10:42] sudo su [10:43] the root account is disabled by default, so you cant su - [10:45] Cann0n: not a louisville slugger? [10:45] yeah i know. i think it's stupid, but i understand why... so people dont log into #ubuntu in root [10:45] alisonken1noc: i'm more of a fan of aluminium [10:45] :) [10:45] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-72-22.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:46] I've broked up my system before because of a user error it root. [10:46] of course, it has been a few years lol [10:47] Serious question. Does anyone know why Pat puts "-smp" in the LocalVersion of SMP kernels that means the images have smp in the name twice? [10:47] last time I broke my system as root was the last time I used gentoo, and I didn't even do it; portage did. [10:48] Cann0n: doing a "sudo -H /bin/ksh" is just as good as "su -" [10:48] Is there a C compiler I can get using slackpkg/ [10:48] ?* [10:48] multi-processor kernel zordrak [10:48] Cryp71c: uhh.. haw about gcc? [10:48] mrselfpwn: re-read what i asked [10:48] Cryp71c: gcc is in the standard d series [10:48] rk4n3: yeah. i knew there was a way with sudo, but i haven't used sudo in so long, i don't care to learn much about it [10:49] aye, not sure. [10:49] anyone here know anything about SDR? [10:49] Cann0n: heh - well, there's a nice coincidence there then, since learning "sudo -H /bin/ksh" isn't much to learn either :) [10:49] always smp-$(uname -r)-smp [10:49] because the last smp is the kernel LocalVersion [10:50] malo (n=quassel@71.15.148.153) joined ##slackware. [10:50] rk4n3: i don't use sudo on my system. i haven't used my uncles computer in a while either. i'll forget in about 15 minutes [10:50] malo (n=quassel@71.15.148.153) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [10:51] Cann0n: heh - I have short-attention-span-syndrome too :) [10:51] Wish i could catch pat and ask him.. its the kind of thing he'd ignore in an email.. but would answer on irc [10:51] heheh [10:51] yes [10:51] lol rk4n3 it's a curse. I can't remember things unless i practice daily and don't let months go by [10:52] i think ive asked bob.. but you know how he is [10:52] yeah like WTF it's 9:30 in the morning! [10:52] it took me like 2 hours to remember that command to tell you what keycode you are pressing... i can't seem to remember it now. >.< [10:52] ts quote: "fluent in retard. QotD." [10:52] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:52] mrselfpwn: i've been up for 5 hours. this day is dragging by [10:52] tsquote2: "understanding customers like that is kinda like flying in Hitchhikers Guide. You have to read their email, then forget to be smart." [10:53] Cann0n: feel free to remember.. [10:53] lol [10:53] Zordrak: i know it has a x, v, or z in the command somewhere... [10:53] actually, it's 10:50. i didn't know it was this late. ^^ [10:54] Cann0n: what.. not acidtrux? [10:54] no lol [10:54] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [10:55] i cant remember [10:56] ..damn! I've installed GCC and when I ./configure some source (even as root) i get configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables [10:56] Cryp71c: it's because you don't have binutils installed [10:57] Cryp71c: install all of a/ d/ and n/ [10:57] ..yeah, I think I probably should've installed the dev package from my slackware install...lol [10:57] Nick change: guax -> guaxinim [10:57] cant reweber which others [10:57] too late now :P [10:57] im sure ananke can tell you [10:57] Cryp71c: how is it? [10:57] lol [10:57] Zordrak, how is it what? [10:57] how is it too late [10:57] zypper in libstdc++33-32bit libxml2-32bi [10:57] doh, wrong terminal [10:58] installpkg slackware/n/*.t?z [10:58] installpkg slackware/d/*.t?z [10:58] xev... that's it [10:58] etc [10:58] Zordrak, installed from thumb drive. Thumb drive was borrowed, thumb drive is now wiped and back to its old (crappy fat32) state. [10:58] Action: ananke loves being able to update firmware from a running os [10:58] Cryp71c: then use slackpkg and point it at a mirror [10:59] tds is a nice mirror [10:59] Zordrak, already have. didnt know I could install entire packages [10:59] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:59] s/packages/package sets/ [10:59] that sould have been shorter! [11:00] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:00] s/(.+)s$/$1 sets/ [11:00] :D [11:00] ew [11:00] tree (n=john@202-74-217-205.ue.woosh.co.nz) left irc: "dead" [11:00] lol [11:00] you can also make a tagfile and automate the install [11:01] ..so wait? slackpkg install s/packages/package sets/ ? [11:01] Action: Cryp71c is slightly confused. [11:01] >.< [11:01] well im out laters [11:01] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:01] Action: Zordrak goes to lie down [11:02] lol! I'm sorry! :P [11:02] I have had no problems whatsoever with my package configuration [11:02] I mena [11:02] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:02] Cryp71c: slackpkg --help [11:02] perl 5.10.1 config [11:03] RIGHT at the bottom [11:03] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:03] nvision (n=nvision@pD95340F4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:04] and with a little thought, you can have slackpkg use your own mirror with your own blessed packages to install/upgrade [11:05] (or even cursed packages) [11:06] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-137-196.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] fatalnix: s/e/é/ [11:06] fatalnix: shorten THAT [11:06] :) [11:07] Man-erg_ (n=meck@93-40-77-252.ip37.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [11:07] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-77-252.ip37.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:08] lol [11:08] why would you want to [11:08] ok - time to go home and play with my brandy-new slack13.0 dvd [11:08] lol [11:09] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [11:09] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:09] shhhh dont tell him 13.1 is out [11:11] lol [11:12] :o [11:12] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [11:13] ..GAGH! [11:13] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829]" [11:13] Action: hitest heads off to work...later folks:) [11:13] alright I used slackpkg install slackware to install the missing packages you mentioned before Zordrak. [11:13] let me stop you there [11:13] xsamurai (n=munki@pool-71-106-233-110.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:14] unless you are really short on disk space install ALL the packages [11:14] yes [11:14] its not bloaty to do it because you only *run* what you need.. but it means you have everything you need when you need it [11:14] ngworekara (n=ngworeka@cpe-70-112-177-214.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:14] Zordrak: I find it bloated to have packages I never use on my system [11:14] with RHEL for example installing most things means turning them on by deyault too [11:14] sahko (n=grbzks@ppp-94-68-180-201.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:14] not the case in slack [11:15] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:15] RHEL? [11:15] o [11:15] m [11:15] g [11:15] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:15] Action: hcfd chuckles [11:15] RHEL = Red Hat Enterprise Linux [11:15] ah, yeah. [11:16] hcfd: ^ person destined for a long time in `support` [11:16] I must try that out actually as I know nothing other than Slackware, Slax and a little Debian. [11:16] -_- not necessarily :P [11:16] hcfd: dont [11:16] hcfd: well do [11:16] hcfd: but dont [11:16] RHEL is good. CentOS sucks though [11:17] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:17] Even if they are the "same" thing [11:17] danklesman: theyre the same fscking thing!! [11:17] mmm in theory [11:17] Zordrak: Oh Hi Mr. Fortune 500 Man. RHEL is t3h sux0r, that's why I use Slackware. I can haz deploy Slackware if can haz job? kthx. [11:17] but RHEL is more stable [11:17] the same soulrce compiled with the same flags in the same environment on the same kernel [11:17] I've had lots of wierd issues with CentOS [11:17] danklesman: wtf are you talking about? [11:17] never tried RH though think it would be a good dist with all the commercial support it has. [11:18] rhel is inherently broken [11:18] well, I work in a datacenter with lots of RHEL boxes. [11:18] howso Zordrak [11:18] I guess me saying CentOS sucks is to exagerated though [11:18] sry about that [11:18] -.- [11:18] hcfd: what i mean is.. try it to get familiar with it... but dont entrust yourself to it [11:19] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:19] hcfd: ever tried to connect Slackware to an LDAP auth system? [11:19] mrselfpwn: three reasons: [11:19] although for a worksation, Slackware is much better than RHEL [11:19] 1. Backport versioning [11:19] 2. Upstream modifications wherever they feel like it [11:19] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:19] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-211.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [11:19] 3. On By Default [11:19] Zordrak: I use Slackware and only Slackware for my workstation. If I need anything else, it goes in VirtualBox. Even my media PC is Slackware. Fear not, for I shall never wander. :) [11:20] hcfd: indeed.. some here [11:20] the only exception is a gaming box that runs XP [11:20] antiwire: No. And what's more, I'd have to Google LDAP to understand anything about it. :p [11:20] here here. i'll toast to that. [11:20] hcfd: So you really don't know what is required in many F500 settings anyway. [11:20] hcfd: get familiar with ldap.. it will be useful later [11:21] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) left irc: Connection timed out [11:21] antiwire: as i said earlier.. local account auth is not necessary for LDAP.. and so long as you dont choose local account ldap auth.. slack is perfect for ldap environments such as this one right here [11:21] lol [11:21] antiwire: I have no idea. I was joking earlier... what I meant by that statement was RHEL, be it good or be it terrible, is something I should familiarise myself with. [11:21] there is no understanding ldap [11:22] you can only make it work, you cannot grasp it [11:22] Surely there's an RFC or somesuch which explains it all? Or.. we could ask Clarissa.. [11:22] hcfd: seriously though.. active directory, novell edirectory and openldap are ALL ldap backends found in a large number of environments and all OSes speak to them in some way or another and a large amount of webapps do to [11:23] hcfd: if you plan on doing netadmin.. you need to know ldap [11:23] all the documentation was written by someone who thinks sideways [11:23] hcfd: at least on a first-name basis [11:23] Zordrak: I wasn't aware of the Active Directory <=> LDAP connection [11:23] yup [11:23] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [11:23] you dont do ldap, ldap does you [11:23] AD is like a combination of Kerberos and LDAP in a proprietary storage backend [11:23] lol [11:24] i find it gay to have our accounts stored on AD , i trust windows as much as a crack whore on 3rd and venice [11:24] Nick change: Akuma0n3 -> Akuma [11:24] Zordrak: Thanks for the tip. Hopefully this Network OS module we're doing (read: Win2k3) will cover some of the more useful parts... [11:24] although it will change as soon as i can get around to it AD is the LDAP backend for *everything* here atm [11:24] the crack whore would never do a secret update on your os [11:24] hcfd: dont count on it [11:24] Zordrak: Of course not ;) [11:24] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) left irc: SendQ exceeded [11:25] when classes talk about win2k3 they talk about it from the windows GUI POV not the network services POV [11:25] actually, setting up the servers are trivial, the really hard part in ldap is the schema [11:25] i bet they dont even mention kerberos once.. theyll just call it windows or domain authentication [11:25] What I was getting at is that distributions that can support single sign-on methods currently have an advantage over Slackware in the corporate environment. [11:26] Skywise: yes.. but a lot of schema has been done for you [11:26] Oh of course, but doing it the GUI way in class will be a nice gentle way to break into it. [11:26] its like SNMP [11:26] Zordrak, more then overdone to be precise [11:26] antiwire: or not even single sign-on, but a central auth [other than NIS] :) [11:26] most windows admins dont have a clue about kerberos [11:26] being used by ad [11:26] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) joined ##slackware. [11:27] huh I was wondering how I could setup a central authorization server, sounds like I need to read up on this [11:27] hcfd: dont get sucked in... learn the other way up. learning windows top-down is the hard way. if you learn bottom up it makes so much more sense (for certain discrete values of sense) [11:27] ngworekara: if you're doing slackware, the easiest is NIS [11:27] like 0 [11:27] my cs lab shares home folders and authentication across a buncha computers, I wasn't sure how they were doing it but I'd guess ldap [11:28] ngworekara: that will be nis almost certainly [11:28] you can do alot with ldap, even things you shouldn't [11:28] Zordrak: Would you care to throw me a few keywords/topics to research? :) [11:28] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.34) joined ##slackware. [11:29] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89D67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:29] you know your lazy in IRC when you start tabbing to complete a sentence because you were trying to think of the next thing to say. [11:29] I've seen NIS come up when I was reading about DNS, but I thought it was kind of outdated [11:29] mrselfpwn, haha :) [11:29] hcfd: "active directory" ldap forest domain samaccountname openldap schema container object "organisational unit" kerberos [11:29] ngworekara: it is dated [11:30] lol [11:30] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.120.106) joined ##slackware. [11:30] i'd like to see the first hit on that query [11:30] slackytu2e (n=icke@p4FD89D67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:30] it'd prolly be a glossary [11:30] Zordrak: I have taken note and will take action. Thanks. [11:30] ngworekara: NIS is basically a method for pushing files around, which means you can provide access to such things as /etc/passwd, /etc/group, /etc/shadow [11:30] hcfd: read up on those thing one by one, start with ldap, then kerberos and then AD <--- not much to read just how to setup [11:31] ngworekara: it's not really designed to provide secure method of authentication or authorization [11:31] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [11:31] xsamurai: I presume there is a way to setup AD via config files or CLI tools at least? [11:31] hcfd, i'll tell you a secret, if you install diskset f then /usr/doc will be full of how-tos and helpmes for just about anything you can do [11:32] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:32] hcfd: nope [11:32] hcfd: THATs why AD blows [11:32] thats not only why [11:32] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc65216e1.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:32] hcfd: there IS no config file [11:32] hcfd: point and click [11:32] Hive? [11:33] you use their tools to speak to their database or you dont use it [11:33] anyone here use heartbeat/pacemaker? [11:33] Skywise: about to [11:33] with drbd [11:33] That is a catastrophe right there :/ [11:33] i'm using it now, just debating on weather to upgrade to pacemaker [11:34] hcfd: yes.. but a necessary evil because desktop windows is the business standard [11:34] wether [11:34] =and controlling them means netware, AD or similar [11:34] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:34] usually AD and exchange (*puke*) [11:34] Zordrak: I don't hate GUIs, but they're slow. [11:34] although i hope to migrate to samba4 [11:34] i still have a box of novell netware in the closet, i wonder what i could get for it [11:34] hcfd: and stupid [11:34] anh annoying [11:34] business standard? [11:34] and badly designed [11:34] what are you talking about [11:35] large businesses dont use windows! [11:35] No, but every fscking small/medium sized one does. [11:35] take a look at national semiconductor, fairchild, nasa.. [11:35] ah [11:35] they use sgi workstations with 8 monitors [11:35] lockheed [11:35] fatalnix: take it as it is meant [11:35] :D [11:35] eviljames: very true [11:35] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-137-196.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:36] just about ever university in this country uses an AD/Exchange backend too [11:36] but not because of merit [11:36] show me a CEO that doesnt have a laptop running windows [11:36] oh, and fatalnix, GE uses AD/Exchange. [11:36] Mmmm a business without Windows boxen. What a lovely warm feeling that thought brings! [11:36] you cant expect normal users to run windows [11:36] you can just give ceos blackberrys and take away their computers now [11:37] ok ok.. so the point is made.. AD is one of those hateful things you must learn [11:37] Right. [11:37] no, you must defeat it [11:37] you dont have to learn exchange [11:37] but AD is core to the network [11:37] most of our managers and directors are plain idiots, im surprised to see them not running around in diapers [11:37] user authontication and information is everythintg [11:37] Can you imagine trying to admin 350,000 corporate AD/Exchange accounts? [11:37] i cant imagine putting anything but windows in front of them [11:37] xsamurai: so you work in a business on planet earth right? [11:38] hcfd: here's a lesson for you: you are better off learning thins than not. especially when it comes to industry standards. [11:38] s/thins/things [11:38] just give them an ipod with some videos and tell them its the latest computer that does the work for you [11:38] it also means you get to learn the standards.. and then see MS break the standards.. and then you can hate them withn a firey passion [11:38] the-croupler get his stuff fixed? [11:38] ananke: Of course, but as time/resources are limited in quantity, one must be selective. [11:39] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.151) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:39] e5oteric (n=esoteric@c-67-186-216-208.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:39] actually, they don't care about the backend as long as they can use outlook [11:39] hcfd: add "bind" to the keyword list [11:39] Skywise: and as long as using outlook they can schedule a pointless meeting with you in 2 clicks. [11:40] a connection to an ldap server is done with a bind operation.. [11:40] and its kinda key [11:40] In the end you learn to not care what the company wants and how they want it , just get the job done and zone out. [11:40] Skywise: otherwise outlook is broken and needs fixing RIGHT NOW. [11:40] xsamurai: That's called "being professional" [11:40] 16:40:14 < eviljames> Skywise: otherwise outlook is broken and needs burning RIGHT NOW. [11:40] ananke: As Zordrak just said, if Exchange is optional, so be it, I will concentrate on more important things and deal with Exchange if and when I have to. [11:40] yeah, i prefer using webmail now [11:40] hcfd: bang on [11:40] Zordrak: thanks, I needed that fix :P [11:40] nothing to maintain at the client's end [11:41] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.175.190) joined ##slackware. [11:41] they got mail as long as their browser works [11:41] you can tell them the internet is down but they'll still ask if they can get their email [11:42] *snort* [11:42] thank god i migrated 98% of uers here to thunderbird.. which isnt perfect.. but its the best comprimise [11:42] *omise [11:42] is there some pseudo-slackpkg or sbopkg to grab kernel? [11:42] Zordrak, what do you use as your calendar solution? [11:42] Quiznos: slackpkg pulls kernel packages [11:42] e5oteric: kronolith [11:42] sources? [11:42] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.175.190) left irc: Client Quit [11:42] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.175.190) joined ##slackware. [11:42] e5oteric: part of harde [11:43] e5oteric: part of horde [11:43] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.175.190) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:43] ahh [11:43] god, so there is someone else who runs horde [11:43] Quiznos: yes theres a source package [11:43] Zordrak no, i mean a kernel.org pkg [11:43] Quiznos: as opposed to $ wget http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/slackware/k/kernel-*txz && installpkg kernel-*txz ? [11:43] Quiznos: http://kernel.org [11:43] nop not that [11:43] i know the url [11:43] i have a rather good klutz comics config [11:43] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.175.190) joined ##slackware. [11:43] ok [11:44] Some of horde is fantastic.. some of it demonstrates that they are seriously short of developers and need some manpower [11:44] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.120.106) left irc: "leaving" [11:44] yeah, imp is real good [11:45] but it is rather complex to maintain [11:45] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/09/17/kronolith-performance-problem/ [11:45] alot of my favorite components are no longer supported tho [11:45] klutz being one of them [11:45] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.77.87) joined ##slackware. [11:45] jonah isn't either [11:46] its good for aggregating newsfeeds [11:46] im just glad to have a better webmail than asquirrelatemynutsmail and a way to get vacation administration out of usermin and integrated into horde with the postfixadmin plugin [11:47] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.175.190) left irc: Client Quit [11:47] johnal (n=nban@212.183.134.210) joined ##slackware. [11:47] is anyone using clusterssh on slackware? [11:47] remind is a good calendar [11:48] Nick change: twolf_ -> twolf [11:48] yeah, i like hordes ability for custom plugins [11:48] e5oteric: it was recommended to me but havent tried it yet [11:48] it lets me host multiple sites and change the domain based on the virtual host [11:48] anyone here try zimbra ? [11:48] xsamurai: we run it [11:49] but.. coding for it is insane.. i tried writing a patch but the code was so hard to follow i gave up 3/4 way through [11:49] Zordrak, it's nice. [11:49] xsamurai: i chose not to run zimbra because i didnt want the zimbra backend mail server [11:49] zero0one (n=zerone@ppp-94-64-210-2.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:49] i need sendmail for my mail config [11:49] ew why? [11:50] why does anyone *need* sendmail ever? [11:50] postfix or death i say [11:50] Who was it that said something about industry standards? [11:50] xsamurai: + [11:50] err [11:50] xsamurai: ++ [11:50] the one thing i still need to do is have sendmail check my cyrus mailboxes at connect and fast bounce the failures [11:50] zero0one (n=zerone@ppp-94-64-210-2.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:51] Zordrak, you've gotta do some cpan configuration for clusterssh, which is a pain. [11:51] jemark (n=mark@62.143.39.202) joined ##slackware. [11:51] Skywise: wont comment as while im sure it could be done another way.. i donth know what it is [11:51] xsamurai: regariding zimbra, we originally thought we wouldn't like it. today we're glad we have it. [11:51] e5oteric: what do you mean by configuration [11:51] ananke: yeah i've heard alot of praise for it [11:51] its not a single thing, its how its integrated with the system [11:51] the worst thing about remind is trying to google for it' [11:52] including the antivirus and spamfiltering [11:52] xsamurai: we used to use opengroupware before that. it was a major pain [11:52] do someone successfully compiled mysql-query-browser under slackware 13 [11:52] ? [11:52] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [11:52] thats it.. i wanted a modular email system with components i picked.. not a pfSense style installation [11:52] Zordrak, nothing too bad, I just don't like cpan - you've gotta load X11::Protocol, Tk, and something else (can't remember off the top of my head). [11:52] nvision (n=nvision@pD953727A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:52] jemark (n=mark@62.143.39.202) left irc: Client Quit [11:53] e5oteric: cpan is the dogs bollocks.. i love it [11:53] Zordrak: we thought we wouldn't like it for that exact reason. that feeling went away very quickly [11:53] urban (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [11:53] e5oteric: even have some packages of my own on there [11:53] Zordrak, I guess I haven't realized it's blessedness. [11:53] the way i've setup email is i use a single gateway for all the initial processing, all the servers the clients use only accept mail from my gateway [11:53] ananke: maybe at my next company :) [11:54] ananke: way past the post here [11:54] but i've also been using sendmail since the early 90s [11:54] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189-69-24-129.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:54] i'm comfortable editing the cf files by hand even tho i do edit the mc files like you're supposed too [11:54] Skywise: my home mail server was sendmail cos it was my first mail server and i wanted to make sure i understood sendmail. Been there. done that. learned my lesson. postfix all the way [11:55] lol [11:55] Skywise: sendmail stopped being cool right around when bbs died out [11:55] So.. early 90s [11:55] i stopped being cool before then [11:55] xsamurai: you just earned a green nick-tag :D [11:55] Skywise: well, that was obvious. You were on bbs' in the early 90s [11:55] That means != cool [11:56] no, i was on them in the early 80s [11:56] Zordrak: gree nick-tag = ? [11:56] oh, that gives you street cred [11:56] s/gree/green [11:56] it was either be on a bbs or pay for software [11:57] i use wu-nickcolor.pl to remind me who is a sane and interesting person and who's a complete moron [11:57] rk4n3: that means i can skip the h1n1 immunization shot [11:57] green is good, red is bad :) [11:57] you can skip it anyway, vaccines are an inside job. [11:57] eviljames: amen [11:57] Skywise, remember that bbs game VGAPlanets? [11:57] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [11:57] Good times. [11:58] hcfd: btw, if you want to invest some of your money into getting a better understanding of what's ahead of you, consider buying this book: http://www.amazon.com/Practice-System-Network-Administration-2nd/dp/0321492668 [11:58] eviljames: the govt never lies and knows whats best for us *puts on tin hat* [11:58] i miss playing on muds [11:58] Action: e5oteric nods [11:58] xsamurai: Remove that tinfoil hat at once. [11:58] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.175.190) joined ##slackware. [11:58] xsamurai: MIT proved the other day that it actually *increases* the amount of brainwaves the government can actively scan. [11:59] Tinfoil hats are an inside job. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [11:59] xsamurai: yeah, don't you know about the new discovery ? Tin actually *amplifies* instead of blocks ... [11:59] http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/ <- an Empirical Study [11:59] I guess it's not that new (2005) [11:59] i'll make one out of Jello , that'll trap all the brainwaves [11:59] yeah its all about that lead-titanium alloy now [11:59] and i can eat it after a long day of thinking [11:59] Kumool (n=Monevo@adsl-72-50-74-135.prtc.net) left irc: "quit" [11:59] mmmm ... food for thought :) [12:00] yeah, I've got one of those X-Ray aprons as a pillow case [12:00] Lead-Jello-Titanium alloys. [12:00] hello there.. i`m trying to install kde4 on slackware 12.2.. when i start kdm, i got a message that kstartupconfig4 failed... then I tried to start kstartupconfig4 and got this message? kstartupconfig4: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.5: undefined symbol: qt_locale_initialized [12:00] akSeya: That is definitely 100% unsupported. [12:00] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:01] akSeya: slackware 13 ships kde4. the package series l/ has significantly changed [12:01] akSeya: why not upgrade to Slackware 13? [12:01] to accomodate the new kde. [12:01] hum [12:02] akSeya: kde4 on 12.2 is just bad [12:02] It's not that bad, per se, but just needs a lot of work to make it even walk. [12:02] its an exercise for those who want to learn how to do it only.. not for those that actually want to USE it [12:02] Anyone running their own SIP server? [12:02] and I doubt anyone in the channel is interested in handholding through such a procedure. If you want kde4 on 12.2 it's going to be an arduous process. [12:03] if you want to use it.. upgrade to 13.0.. its not a huge jump [12:03] theres some major changes.. but the upgrade process is smooth [12:03] although.. having said that.. id backup the old and fresh-install the new [12:03] but thatd be your cal [12:03] *call [12:03] i heard of kde [12:03] don't have any use for it tho [12:04] dhamn im proud of my WPS with dvorak [12:04] been quite a while naw [12:04] *now [12:04] even if i still cant quite get tha hang of m/w and the vowels [12:04] i like using a natural keyboard [12:05] Nick change: witukind__ -> witukind [12:05] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.16.12) left irc: "Leaving" [12:05] remove kde and install flux , problem solved [12:05] the only think i'd like was if they duplicated the middle row on both sides of the split because i switch fingers depending on what i'm typing with a flat keyboard [12:05] flux is too bloated, use dwm [12:05] xsamurai: leave it there.. just dont use it [12:05] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [12:05] dwm is too bloated use bash [12:06] haha [12:06] dwm comes with 13 ? [12:06] ion > dwm [12:06] bash is bloated [12:06] ngworekara: flux is many things.. but bloated it isnt [12:06] use sh [12:06] heh [12:06] i like fluxbox [12:06] sh is for pussies.. use a reprogrammed BIOS [12:06] i mean for *you* [12:06] personally i type in binary only [12:06] lol [12:07] my REAL WPS is off the charts [12:07] 0010 types of people [12:07] agentc0re|work: old [12:07] :) [12:07] i know. [12:07] Zordrak, binary only, eh? I guess Assembly was too bloated [12:07] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.77.87) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:07] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:07] I was reading about gtkfb the other day, was wondering if that would allow epiphany to be run from the fb [12:07] e5oteric: totally [12:07] if so then I wouldn't need a wm at all [12:07] i use Even parity 7 bits and 2 stop bits and then convert to ebcdic [12:08] i bet you're the kind of guy that uses Dvorak as well. [12:08] I use sed and /dev/urandom for IRC...take THAT [12:08] e5oteric: i only do it to be cool.. i was getting funny looks for using telekenesis on the electrons [12:08] Skywise: do you lease your brain cycles or buy ? [12:08] Zordrak, I was thinking about doing that too, but then I'd have to take off my lead cap. [12:08] antiwire: you ARE /dev/urandom ! [12:08] i sublet surplus guatemalan cycles over dark fiber [12:09] antiwire: how's the new job btw? [12:09] haha [12:09] it's good so far, little anxious to really get going [12:09] agentc0re|work: are you calling antiwire a fake? [12:09] johnal (n=nban@212.183.134.210) left irc: "Leaving" [12:09] Zordrak: no, random. [12:10] i mean.. urandow sounds like an insult to me.. not like us leet /dev/random hardcore mofos [12:10] if we run out of entropy, we just go for a run [12:10] none of that fakery bs [12:11] theres nothing like a good sweat to get the ol brownian motion going [12:12] or beigian motion [12:13] mmm, belgian waffles.... [12:13] belgian motions? [12:13] waffle-poo? [12:13] no [12:13] computer beige [12:13] too obtuse? [12:13] so obtuse it's acute again [12:14] antiwire: Good to hear man. Are you in charge of stuff or under someones wing?(maybe not as boss to co-worker but co-worker to Sr. co-worker)? [12:14] Zordrak: Hey did you see what i said about TV input about xmbc yesterday? [12:14] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-140.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:14] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [12:14] nop [12:14] i'm president and ceo but my gf is chief bottle washer [12:14] Zordrak: it works, afaik. The wiki implies so. I have a hdhomerun, and it should "just work" once you enter in the sources. [12:15] agentc0re|work: I report to the technical manager. It's actually interesting because he really knows his stuff here. [12:15] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.16.12) joined ##slackware. [12:15] agentc0re|work: feel free te comment that under yesterdays xbmc post on my blog [12:15] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] Zordrak: I was thinking about it. [12:16] :D [12:16] please do [12:16] can use it as a place to collate xbmc info [12:17] wlil turn it into a "page" if it becames useful enough [12:17] domn vawils [12:18] is it just me or is anyone else dissapointed that the final encylopedia turned out to be wikipedia [12:18] buh? [12:19] Is it just me or is anyone else disappoited that the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy turned out to be wikipedia on a kindle? [12:20] encyclopędia anyway :) [12:20] my a and e keys are too far apart for me to type like that [12:20] Action: Zordrak directs Skywise at 0, 2, 3 & 0 [12:20] eviljames lol [12:21] wikipedia on kindle? lol [12:21] stop bits? lol [12:21] kindle, is amazon's book? right? [12:21] the final encyclopedia is from a science fiction series by gordon r. dickson [12:22] Action: Zordrak 's delay pwns yours [12:22] lol [12:22] pupit: It's an ebook reader or some such thing, but connects to cell networks to download content and browse wikipedia. [12:23] eviljames: yeah, ebook reader... but for "guide" to be on wikipedia is a bizarre thing... [12:23] pupit: we are having a communication breakdown. [12:23] the final encyclopedia was an information construct containing the whole of human knowledge [12:23] nevermind, i have a towel. [12:24] pupit: WAHT WAS THAT ABOUT MY MOTHER?! [12:24] Action: BP{k} burns pupits towel [12:24] pupit: I know, jokes are spoiled by explaination, but in the book HHGTTG they have an actual guide that allows them to learn anything right? [12:24] lol [12:24] there is, but its not for wikipedia.. [12:24] chloros (n=taqois@111.69.240.163) joined ##slackware. [12:24] imho [12:24] bah, forget it. [12:25] xkcd is better than me: http://xkcd.com/548/ [12:25] pupit: ^ [12:25] one day i should watch and or read THHGTTG, TLOTR and Star Wars... but not this decade [12:26] seriously? [12:26] read hitchikers before you see them, its better that way [12:26] i think the original movie is the better of the 2 [12:26] seriously.. not one of them has ever interested me [12:27] i read them before they were cool [12:27] i tried to watch the first lotr but after falling asleep within 10 mins on the third attempt i gave up [12:27] they're good writing [12:27] eviljames: i've always thought that authors of xkcd comics have a lack of real humor.. [12:27] the reading is different, i will not vouch for the movies [12:27] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A7296D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:28] star wars was similarly boring and havent yet attempted the whole thing [12:28] oh, i don't consider star wars to be of the same ilk at all [12:29] thats hollywood science fiction which i don't care for [12:29] and dont get me started on fucking Bladerunner.. "ooh it was amazing for its time i cant believe you dont like it it was soo cool.. yeah it was.."SHUT UP YOU BASTARDS IT SUCKED AND SO DO YOU!!!!! [12:29] Action: Zordrak chills somewhat [12:29] Action: agentc0re|work smacks Zordrak [12:29] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.175.190) left irc: Client Quit [12:29] Calm down man! [12:30] i thought the chick clone was pretty sexy, but i couldn't live with the crazyness or the dying part [12:30] you know how critics feel about Waterworld? Thats how i feel about Bladerunner [12:30] i got brow-beat in slackware-es for being a uniglot [12:30] star wars was a gay puppet show with magic sounds in celestial space [12:30] Now The Running Man.. that was a film :) [12:30] pupit: odd, I always thought that xkcd is among the funniest stuff of all time. [12:30] but no, we're talking about real science fiction [12:30] how could you possibly compare waterworld and blade runner [12:30] Come on now, bobby Tables? [12:30] better than Howard the Duck anyway [12:30] That shit is classic. [12:30] Atrickit (n=Atrickit@201-92-226-104.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:30] CkL (n=Null@190.234.242.37) joined ##slackware. [12:30] hitchhikers is genuinely creative [12:30] Who killed Roger Rabbit with the pr0n-star wife? [12:31] slackytude: cos i can [12:31] its a dry british wit [12:31] chloros (n=taqois@111.69.240.163) left ##slackware. [12:31] slackytude: cos its true [12:31] never! [12:31] jinjii (n=alpha@93-45-101-207.ip101.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [12:32] bladerunner was the most boring pile of shit... i prefered Indiana Jones and the Alien-Rape to bladerunnur [12:32] so it had some special effects.. which to be honest werent even good.. i mean Judge Dredd had better effects and they barely even tried [12:32] muumi (n=chatzill@82.114.81.90) joined ##slackware. [12:32] eviljames: its not simple, it is intended for mostly intelligent people, in that case, it needs brains to understand, so, when i want to relax and read some funny tihngs, i have to use more brain than ever.. it's ok, but im not into it always.. [12:33] anyone else getting xargs coring-dumpage on kernel makefile: `clean|mrproper|*'? [12:33] Quiznos: wtf are you up to? [12:33] this is seriuos; make defconfig fails; wth? [12:33] 2.6.13 make [12:33] 31 [12:33] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-72-22.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:34] actually, i'm reading a really good book now, its called in the shadow of the wind [12:34] did you pull the F? [12:34] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [12:34] anyone else install pcsx2?? [12:34] i've been seeing this dumpage for the past few vesions [12:34] F? [12:34] from ftp.kernel [12:34] full source (not patch) [12:34] artv61: what is that? [12:34] yea [12:34] and put in the slack config and `make oldconfig`? [12:34] defconfig [12:34] Atrickit: what is that? [12:34] xargs fails on "too many" [12:35] broken pipe [12:35] no crtbegin.o [12:35] argc > 128k-2k [12:35] /end [12:36] it would be hard for me to choose between watching a blank piece of paper blow across a field of snow at night or water world but as far as i can tell they have the same plot line [12:36] lol [12:36] Compared to bladerunner it was an awesome thrill-fest [12:37] Zordrak you gave up? [12:37] Thom1 (n=thom1@79.87.118.133) joined ##slackware. [12:37] Quiznos: you broke it [12:37] PCSX2 is a ps2 emulator for windows and linux too... [12:37] Quiznos: no other explanation [12:37] or you broke your box [12:37] whichever [12:38] i did not! [12:38] don't worry, i stay 2 seconds. xinitrc.fluxbox in slackware64 uses /usr/lib/X11/xinit instead of /usr/lib64/X11/xinit, bye [12:38] it untared this way [12:38] Thom1 (n=thom1@79.87.118.133) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0"). [12:38] remind me to noobfarm that [12:38] oldconfig failed [12:38] Atrickit: i've tried epsx. not that one though [12:39] Atrickit: you just want a suggestion? or what do you need [12:39] Quiznos: youve done *something* [12:39] i guarantee its not slack or the kernel source [12:39] nop [12:39] Zordrak i'm not a damned nob [12:39] actullay i think i did try pcsx2 [12:40] lol [12:40] debateable! [12:40] the makefile is broken; the rm arg list breaks/exceeds xargs maximum [12:40] *debatable [12:40] Quiznos: which version did you download ? [12:40] this is going on for several versions now; that i havent been able to make a kernel [12:40] latest [12:40] .31 [12:40] Quiznos: yeah.. we'll get right on that [12:40] several versions indicates you borked something [12:40] no [12:40] huh? [12:41] SlackLnx (n=Slackwar@85.139.11.245) joined ##slackware. [12:41] too many arguments on a kernel make? [12:41] Zordrak stop accusing me [12:41] Quiznos: 100% it is on your machine. [12:41] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [12:41] Action: Zordrak sits back with a beer and watches [12:41] Do you know how much hellfire would erupt if a kernel build universally failed. [12:41] slackytude when i mrproper or clean, xargs dumps core with error indicating too many argv elements [12:41] dun dun dunnnnnnnnnnn [12:41] eviljames duh [12:41] but i dint break it [12:41] Quiznos, eh, how? [12:41] i just said how [12:42] let me download and try [12:42] let's see what happens. I might want to try GEM anyway [12:42] .31 [12:42] oh my gosh, its the end of linux [12:42] finally! [12:42] i can move to a new OS [12:42] whats GEM? [12:42] id do it mysolef.. but i so cant be arsed.. its like betting on a sure thing.. with fake money.. whats the point? [12:43] brb [12:43] GEM = Girls Eat Me [12:43] its a new compile option [12:43] Graphical Environment Manager [12:43] hrhr [12:43] s/Girls/Germans/ [12:43] ok so close enough [12:44] Action: slackytude eats xsamurai [12:44] mmmm samurai sausage [12:44] wunderbar [12:44] ...i feel molested [12:44] wats gem's claim to fame? [12:44] Quiznos: it doesnt break kernel sources [12:44] I fscking LOVE kernel.org.. 2200 k/s sustained :P [12:44] pff [12:45] Quiznos: GEM is the next generation graphics arch from intel. Kernel Mode Switching is what I want to try. [12:45] ah url pls? [12:45] Quiznos: http://kernel.org [12:45] no not that [12:45] bozo [12:45] haha [12:45] Quiznos: http://kernelnewbies.org then [12:45] lol [12:45] nop [12:46] i'm no nob [12:46] uhh.. douchebag.. your bus is leaving.... [12:46] pff [12:46] Quiznos: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=GEM+kernel+intel [12:46] dont get uppity with me, clown [12:46] kernelnewbies is exactly where you want to be for that info [12:46] k [12:46] kernelnewbies isn't bad... [12:46] pmvalente_ (n=pmvalent@194.210.64.242) joined ##slackware. [12:46] it's a great resource [12:46] [valley girl] what evah [12:46] lol [12:47] i'm not judging them; the bozos here think i'm a nob [12:47] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.77.87) joined ##slackware. [12:47] Quiznos: its noob [12:47] I have grub 2 on my machine, I could boot on distro but can't Slackware 13.0, anyone help me please? [12:47] Quiznos, http://www.mail-archive.com/dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg34893.html [12:47] kernelnewbies is correct [12:47] xsamurai: no.. he was right the first 16 times :D [12:47] man grub 2 [12:48] xsamurai: i ought to mention.. Quiznos is the only red-tagged person in at the mo :) [12:48] wow, you're useful [12:48] jinjii, very smart [12:48] that was such a generic question bye the way [12:48] jinjii: that would be man 5 grub2 anyway [12:49] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.99) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:49] wats red-tagged? [12:49] i'm speeshul? [12:49] scroll up to 16:55 GMT+1 [12:49] untarring the kernel... [12:49] doot doot doot... [12:50] Action: theblackbox sit's back with a beer and passes Zordrak the doob ;) [12:50] jinjii, no manual entry for grub2 in section 5 [12:50] Action: Zordrak needs to got a 2nd beer [12:50] let's see.. make mrproper [12:50] Action: BP{k} untars the kernel... [12:50] adamk bad url [12:50] thats so exciting [12:51] eats kernels chicken [12:51] will it crash? [12:51] dun dun dunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn [12:51] Of course it didn't. [12:51] Neither did distclean [12:51] Action: theblackbox is taking all bets [12:51] tune in next time [12:51] heh [12:51] Action: Zordrak goes to collect his fake winnings and yawns [12:51] Quiznos: Which other ones were failing? [12:51] same channel , same slackware users [12:51] lol [12:51] eviljames recent previous [12:51] eviljames: make sexy time [12:51] that always fails for me [12:52] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:52] sluckxz (i=18740869@gateway/web/freenode/x-uhrysithbltcgzty) joined ##slackware. [12:52] try 'info grub 2' or run gnu dedicate web page [12:52] wheee! [12:52] hi for everthing... [12:52] make samurai sausages works ok [12:52] eviljames i've been on 12.[12] for a while; did .31 or recent requirements change? [12:52] for the chain? [12:52] what is the big difference of 12 for 13 version??? [12:52] hmm i got only us keymap newly installed 13! [12:52] Atrickit: read the release announcement [12:53] kde 4, hal, [12:53] Atrickit: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=slackware+release+announcements [12:53] jinjii, hal? [12:53] im a lazy boy.....and I want the answers in here... [12:53] hal is in since, ohh, 10.2 or so [12:53] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-146-65.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:53] Well being lazy and using slackware aren't going to bond well Atrickit [12:53] xorg using hal for auto conf is new [12:53] Atrickit: naked pics of all the ops in here are included as default desktop wallpaper [12:53] madbear: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/?p=13 [12:53] i meant release [12:54] xsamurai lol [12:54] jinjii, huh? [12:54] ew [12:54] Atrickit: thats why i upgraded right away [12:54] Zordrak: thanks, look: i cant even use setxkbmap [12:54] madbear: the blog explains all [12:55] ok ty will now rtfm :P [12:55] i have saved weeks worth of typing with the blog.. its my very own faq :) [12:55] jinjii (n=alpha@93-45-101-207.ip101.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. [12:56] yes.. good answer...but i dont now.... the old look is the best one [12:56] Atrickit: i suggest you read the link zordak provided [12:56] there are kde3 packages available if you REALLY don't want kde4 [12:56] some_dewd_ahh (n=neo1993@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:56] Action: Zordrak demonstrates tab-completion to xsamuai [12:56] howz doz iz getz flashz 10z onz slackwarez 13.0z? [12:56] Might as well get over KDE3 and its "old look" as eventually KDE3 will not work on any modern distro :) [12:56] some_dewd_ahh: Ask in english. [12:57] some_dewd_ahh: yous gos and sits in a rivir till midnightz thenz a fairyz willz eat youz [12:57] I dont see nothing good... [12:57] xsamurai: [12:57] Atrickit: Thend on't use it.. simple. [12:57] how do i get flash 10 working working on slackware 64 13.0? [12:57] tab completion is anti slackware [12:57] some_dewd_ahh: its in /extra [12:57] i copied the libs to the plugins directory [12:57] some_dewd_ahh: slackbuilds.org has a script [12:57] some_dewd_ahh: on the install media [12:57] EH ISS? [12:57] EH IS? [12:57] you need the 64-bit plugin, not 32-bit [12:57] some_dewd_ahh: /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins? [12:58] ThomasLocke_ (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [12:58] Just download the flash10 beta 64bit plugin from their site [12:58] TANKS GUYZZ [12:58] kde4.. is a copy of windows interface.....and the old xfce.. is looking more original.... [12:58] uz rulez [12:58] Atrickit: no [12:58] its not [12:58] uz all rulez [12:58] xsamurai: that's why I use archlinux at least it got tab completion! :D [12:58] Atrickit: er.. no.. [12:58] some_dewd_ahh: enough [12:58] Atrickit, use xfce then [12:58] some_dewd_ahh (n=neo1993@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:58] Atrickit: Windows copied KDE4 more liekly [12:58] KE4's interface was sset in stone before Vista even thought about existing [12:58] its a combination of seamless inter-process communication, usability enhancements and compiz effects [12:58] snL20: blasphemy!!!!! [12:58] Dominian: ++ [12:59] xsamurai: lol [12:59] i thought people like that were only a caricature [12:59] yes.....windows copy...many things...but kde4 copy windows inteface....... [12:59] ... [12:59] er.. ok Atrickit [12:59] Go ahead and live in your world of "I'm blind and can't read" [12:59] *group hurl* [13:00] Atrickit: you really dont know what you're talking about. My advice would be to stop. [13:00] i am swear.... [13:00] Talking that is [13:00] Action: slackytude smells trollz [13:00] Action: snL20 *sniff* *sniff* [13:00] *smells slackytude*, you smell purty [13:00] Nick change: wertik_rus -> wertik_kremlin [13:00] Damn bridges. We need to outlaw rivers [13:00] maybe I should shower again... [13:00] i dont stop im justin.. talking a tight true.... [13:00] Atrickit: nice to meet you swear, my name is spook [13:00] pipe water in in bridgeless sky-pipes [13:01] Quiznos: I'd be more interested in a change of libc or something along those lines that cauesd xargs to fail [13:01] Atrickit, look, its easy. try it out, deceided if you like it, there is not much else to say [13:01] Zordrak: forget bridges, it's all tubes anyway [13:01] ok bozos; i ftpd latest kernel; untar; run, `make mrproper allyesconfig'; i made no changes to anything in tree. xargs cores with argv length exceeding max limit. [13:01] eviljames duno [13:01] ok...hummm... the xfce.. is the best choice for me..... [13:01] there has to be bridges... where else would all the trolls live? [13:02] Quiznos: now do it on a diffirint machine [13:02] Zordrak only one here [13:02] new jersey? [13:02] why does that not surprise me? [13:02] i like kde..but ..for me KDE is a poor copy for windows interface.. [13:02] dont be mean [13:02] new jersey has only 1 computer [13:02] yeah man.. screw new jersey [13:02] Quiznos: is this a new system ? [13:02] old jersey ftw [13:02] xsamurai nop [13:03] xsamurai but expand on "new" [13:03] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-qeszebhzefbohxla) left irc: [13:03] new install ? [13:03] kinda [13:03] 12.2 [13:03] did you just update using infernal software update script slapt-get swaret sbopkg ? [13:03] im off home to play Star Trek Armada II in 7.1 surround :) [13:03] n_o-_o (i=74446235@gateway/web/freenode/x-nghfwejcrenchtqs) joined ##slackware. [13:03] wow that sounds fun. [13:03] xsamurai i got swept up by all the celebration here to upgrade [13:04] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:04] 13 failed miserably here (x and hald dint work) [13:04] how do i set vi to use linux indentation style by default [13:04] it actually is... its Age of Empires with less Tenochtitlan [13:04] ..... [13:04] netwolker (n=netwolke@151.53.22.191) joined ##slackware. [13:04] Quiznos: so you reinstalled 12.2 ? [13:04] armada is nice [13:04] n_o-_o: what is "Linux indentation"? [13:04] altho I liked the first part better [13:05] i think its alt-qwerty-shift-f7& [13:05] wheres armada3? [13:05] xsamurai 21.[01] -> 13 < 12.2 [13:05] oops [13:06] xsamurai 12.[01] -> 13 -< 12.2 [13:06] zordrak I was not being sarcastic [13:06] THATs where ST's problem lies the bastards just cant be arsed to continue the 24thC timeline [13:06] alisonken1home: *indent --linux-style* <- run than command on your c programs you will understand [13:06] too busy raping shatner [13:06] n_o-_o: ok - that's not "linux style" - that's c indentation. but the indent command is rather interesting :) [13:07] I had no idea that the indent command existed until just now [13:07] alisonken1home: linux kernel source follows a coding style [13:07] oooo Star Trek Starfleet Command [13:07] which I believe is K&R style if I remember linus correctly [13:07] i need to set that indent as default in vim [13:08] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@20150129117.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:08] chipster_ (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [13:09] n_o-n_o read this already? http://www.vim.org/htmldoc/indent.html [13:09] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.77.87) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:09] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.77.87) joined ##slackware. [13:10] Shatner interviewed Limbaugh a few weeks ago [13:10] ngworekara: :),btw how can you expect a human to read all that :P , thanks [13:11] i really think keystroke commands should be under a paragraph [13:11] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "Sometimes I think roads should be object oriented. On my bicycle, using right_of_way; should fix only half of the issues." [13:12] i use pico, search and replace is all i need from my editor [13:12] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [13:12] Skywise: why bother with pico at all, just use sed. [13:12] Greetings everyone. :) [13:13] cause i like backspace [13:13] I do a lot of latex formatting and the vim-latex package is pure sex, also cpp completion is occasionally useful [13:13] xsamurai nayhting else? [13:13] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [13:13] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:13] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [13:14] some_dewd (n=neo1993@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] pi31415 (n=bcollver@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] ok i did the script and it said Extracting the source archive(s) for flashplayer-plugin... [13:14] libflashplayer.so [13:14] cat: /root/slack-desc: No such file or directory [13:14] pmvalente_ (n=pmvalent@194.210.64.242) left irc: "Leaving" [13:14] sorry was away , um so you reinstalled 12.2 and nothing is working or atleast compiling a kernel isnt [13:14] n_o-_o (i=74446235@gateway/web/freenode/x-nghfwejcrenchtqs) left irc: "Page closed" [13:15] have you tried compiling something else , also i asked earlier did you use any script to update your system ? [13:15] ask about slapt-get as well [13:15] xsamurai as i said; ftp; untar; make help mrproper defconfig menuconfig; xargs cores during mrproper; argv length exceeded. [13:15] some_dewd (n=neo1993@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:15] xsamurai nothing else stresses xargs the way kernel makefile does [13:16] When search xorg.conf with:whereis, slocate, which is doesn't finde anything. Why? [13:16] yeah thats not the problem, your system is not in a normal state [13:16] it is [13:16] xargs is pkg-installed [13:16] The battle of green versus red continues... have fun... post the results on the scoreboard... laters [13:16] most likely something occurred from the initial install to now, that borked your system [13:17] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.133.36) joined ##slackware. [13:17] jinjii (n=fabio@host167-122-dynamic.56-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:19] 2 things you can rule out, broken kernel source or broken slackware release , once you do that you can concentrate on finding the real problem [13:20] doing so [13:20] what's this kernel compression mode? [13:20] Hi guys, anybody there has ever tried to setup a slackware box as wired/wireless router? [13:21] make help mrproper .. wfm. [13:21] Quiznos: I thought you weren't nub? [13:22] being a nob and knowing new phrases in context are two different things. [13:22] i'mnot a nob. i dont know previously unseen phrases. [13:22] i wish i could say that to my girlfriend [13:22] heh [13:24] Atrickit (n=Atrickit@201-92-226-104.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:24] btw its "make help" in the kernel source directory no need to include mrproper [13:24] adeodatus could you explain a little better what you're trying to do? [13:25] is AMD semperon equiv to Opteron? [13:25] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:25] Sempron [13:25] adeodatus: slocate -u / [13:25] once its done updating , retry [13:25] Quiznos: i believe not [13:25] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] k [13:25] I think that Sempron was the one that turned into a motorcycle [13:26] heh [13:27] im actually thinking of updating to a new cpu but cant decide between amd phn 965 or intel i7 [13:28] or i5 ! [13:28] i5 seems like centrino to me [13:28] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Client Quit [13:29] i7, obviously. [13:29] 1) AMD will burst into flames repeatedly [13:29] 2) i7 ftw [13:29] I rest my case. [13:30] How can I know if my video driver needs to be updated? [13:30] does it work? [13:30] Is there a problem with the driver? [13:30] xsamurai: thanks [13:30] adeodatus: np [13:31] rubick (n=rc@unaffiliated/rubick) joined ##slackware. [13:31] eviljames, is that @ me or someone else? [13:31] you, sir. [13:31] who me ? [13:32] Cryp71c: Does your current video driver work? [13:32] eviljames, I'm not sure, screen seems a little choppy, IDK if its system perfornace or a video issue. [13:32] haha [13:32] Fresh 13 instal [13:32] install* [13:32] which driver? [13:32] more importantly, which card [13:32] not more importantly, but equally as important :> [13:33] More importantly, it's 10:30 am and I'm not drunk yet. [13:34] eviljames: you slacker! [13:34] No doubt eh.. it's like I'm not even that smart about the whole matter.. [13:34] i'm sober since sunday. [13:34] like I'm not quite a genius... [13:34] perhaps... a sub-genius? [13:34] however, quiz night tomorrow, so i have to drink. [13:34] Radeon HD 3470 [13:34] eviljames, no idea on driver its using atm. [13:35] i figure i'll start off with a jug of beer then move onto shots [13:35] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [13:35] yay alcoholism [13:35] Cryp71c: Odds are it is using the open source driver. Check man radeon and man ati to see how well your device is supported. Also check ati.amd.com to see if the closed source driver still supports that card. [13:36] spook: alcoholics go to meetings. [13:36] 3470 is not that old [13:36] should be supported [13:36] but i hate ati [13:36] With the opening of the spec, AMD has turned a number of relatively new devices over to community support [13:36] oahong` (n=user@218.83.159.14) joined ##slackware. [13:36] at least, what I would consider relatively new. [13:38] the 3470 should definitely be supported by fglrx. [13:38] macius_ (n=macius@i209-195-120-203.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:38] And the open source drivers will provide 2D acceleration if you are using a 2.6.30.* kernel like the one in /extra [13:39] But, yeah, by default that card will have no 2D acceleration on Slackware 13. [13:39] Ok, got the new driver downloaded, should be able to get it installed and whatnot myself. [13:40] Cryp71c, It's rather simple. You can run the installer with the '--buildpkg Slackware/all' option to build packages that can be installed with 'installpkg' [13:40] I did have a question regarding terminal and normal user command accessibility. Despite having setup the sudoers file to include this normal user, a lot of commands come back as 'command not found' so I have to su - and then login, then do the command, which is a hassle. [13:40] path issues likely [13:41] Cryp71c, The root user has a different $PATH than normal users. You can create a .bash_profile file for your user and add those directories to your $PATH [13:41] try sudo /full/path/to/command [13:41] Cryp71c: personally, I avoid sudo and the sudoers file. In an average day, how many times do you use sudo? [13:41] Cryp71c: If the answer is less than 3, just use su -c 'command args' [13:42] Note: afaik, that option is GNU specific. [13:42] Cryp71c, just because the user has sudo rights doesnt mean the commands are in the users path [13:42] i just have one screen open logged in as root. [13:42] Cryp71c, either give full path to the executable or adjust path [13:42] Action: yesyes lives on the edge [13:42] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) left irc: Connection timed out [13:43] and, you know, it's my desktop and i'll wreck it if i want to. [13:43] yesyes: you do realize that if I ever get access to that screen, I will set a forkbomb in root's crontab to run every 12 minutes. [13:44] eviljames: infact, i'm looking forward to it. [13:44] firedix (n=firedix@host36.200-117-195.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:44] male bonding. [13:44] unix male bonding, at least. [13:44] male bondage? [13:44] slackytude, what other 'standard' paths are there other than /bin and the like (which I presume is the only default path for new users) [13:44] wow, that's a really deep angle to look at it from. [13:44] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:44] Cryp71c, root probably has /sbin and /usr/sbin, which your normal user is probably missing. [13:45] xsamurai (n=munki@pool-71-106-233-110.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving." [13:46] Cryp71c, do a echo $PATH as user and as root and compare [13:46] dreamfire (n=peet@85-127-192-247.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined ##slackware. [13:46] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:51] Thanks guys :) [13:51] ^-^ [13:51] can anyone remember the name of the bluetool command line tools? not the hci ones. trying to send a file to my phone, but i can't remember the command name... [13:52] in kernel .31, btrfs marked unstable [13:52] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:53] damn, menuconfig'ing is slow going [13:53] btrfs is vapour [13:53] all this info is finable automagically [13:54] How to restart hal? [13:54] /etc/rc.d/rc.hald restart [13:54] adeodatus, /etc/rc.d/rc.hald restart [13:54] \o/ [13:55] slackytude: thx [13:55] macius (n=macius@i209-195-120-203.cia.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:55] no sweat [13:55] way to take credit slackytude! We all know you didn't know that answer! [13:55] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:55] yeah wtf [13:55] lol [13:56] ah, obexput... [13:56] firedix (n=firedix@201.252.176.42) joined ##slackware. [13:56] macius (n=macius@i209-195-104-220.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:56] :( [13:56] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [13:56] y0 higuita [13:56] damn [13:56] y0 hiptobecubic [13:57] howdy [13:57] hey hiptobecubic [13:57] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [13:57] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [13:58] holy fk, i'm sick of make failing [13:58] i am trying to aktive the nfs server. (have already modified /etc/exports) but i have no /etc/rc/rc.nfsd? (using slack13) where are they? [13:58] O= doesnt work [13:58] how is make failing for a kernel build? [13:58] wtf did you do? [13:58] xargs still failing on argv length exceeed [13:58] nothing iswear to God [13:59] sluckxz (i=18740869@gateway/web/freenode/x-uhrysithbltcgzty) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [13:59] CkL (n=Null@190.234.242.37) left irc: "Saliendo" [13:59] arglist to xargs too long [13:59] should be in /etc/rc.d/rc.nfsd if you installed that [13:59] dreamfire: have you got nfs-utils installed? [13:59] make complaing that dirtree not clean; which is bullshit [13:59] dreamfire, should be there.... [14:00] howdy BP{k} [14:00] BP{k}: yes i have nfs-utils and portmap installed [14:00] it should be there dreamfire [14:00] pastebin output from ls /etc/rc.d [14:00] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:00] ohhh... what a mistake.... [14:00] fk [14:00] hehe [14:00] in other words, pics or it didn't happen [14:01] Quiznos, checked for gremlins? [14:01] i have searched for it via tab-completition... but the execute flax is not set... [14:01] Quiznos, or move you computer away from the windows, might be sunspots [14:01] argl... [14:02] tab completion, hah. stop using flax [14:02] dreamfire: don't search for the file .. know the file, become defiled^wthe file. [14:03] mancha: ahh. yes.. i should :) [14:03] snearch (n=olaf@e179128192.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:04] fire|bird: howdy :) [14:04] [yop] (n=[yop]@lar56-1-88-178-152-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:05] no gremlins, but watching bugs's gremlin epi this mornin, you can never be sure [14:05] slackytude there are NO sun spots :) [14:05] lol [14:05] oh [14:05] BP{k}: How goes? I got xfce all configured up: http://omploader.org/vMmVkcA [14:06] slackytude very strange sun cycle; for over a year no iirc [14:06] fkit; rm rf kernel tree [14:07] done [14:07] pupiteee (n=p@93.86.1.230) joined ##slackware. [14:07] deco_ (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:07] fire|bird: .. okay that's nice :) what's the themage yo are using? [14:08] (ie gtk, xfce, icons etc) [14:09] Whoa, fire|bird I hadn't even noticed that was xfce [14:09] I naturally assumed kde4 [14:09] BP{k}: Icons are gnome color brave, gtk is Overglossed Black, window decoration is Blended, wallpaper is from interfacelift (I am Home). [14:10] Nick change: oahong` -> oahong [14:10] fire|bird: I notice that total up is 238.7MB and total down is 7GB. That's a pretty bad share ratio, you better let your torrents seed longer [14:10] eviljames: haha, I've been messing with xfce lately and liking it, it's more responsive than kde for me, even with kde effects disabled. However, 4.3.1 gave a really nice speed boost. [14:12] macius_ (n=macius@i209-195-120-203.cia.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:12] eviljames: lol, I have the slackware dvd's seeding, at the time of that ss, I had dl'ed some other distro, I forget which one, and didn't seed that. [14:12] looks great [14:12] heheh [14:14] jinjii (n=fabio@host167-122-dynamic.56-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware. [14:14] eviljames: I've got kde 4.3.1 on both the laptop and desktop now though. :) [14:14] jgor (i=jgor@r74-192-150-204.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:14] jgor_ (i=jgor@r74-192-150-204.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [14:15] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.77.87) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:15] cmair (n=cmair@79.51.104.231) joined ##slackware. [14:18] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [14:18] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [14:18] Quiznos, I know [14:21] fire|bird: LEACHER!!! [14:21] y0 agentc0re|work [14:21] That's LEECHER, you insensitive clod. [14:21] :P [14:21] If he weighs as much as a bit, he's a LEECHER! [14:21] heheh [14:22] agentc0re|work: How's it going? [14:24] alright. [14:24] you? [14:27] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@adsl-249-213-80.bna.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:28] I need a lineman's headset [14:31] kiyoura (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:31] Action: g4tt0 good evening [14:34] agentc0re|work: great, thanks. [14:34] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:35] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@adsl-249-213-80.bna.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:36] Grrrr, installed my new graphics driver and now video is worse, I get a refresh line when I scroll up/down in any window [14:36] How can I check for the different types of rendering to see what's not working right? [14:36] which card do you have? [14:37] Radeon 3740, installed the driver from ATI's site. [14:37] ye gods, ATI [14:37] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:37] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:38] someone had mentioned something earlier about installing and using a -- slackware/something flag to allow installpkg to install it for Slackware. [14:38] Kumool (n=Monevo@adsl-72-50-74-135.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [14:38] did you do that? [14:38] Action: Cryp71c looks sheepish... [14:38] --buildpackage slackware/all or summit [14:39] I was going to see if any errors were raised by running it w/o that. [14:39] can oyu paste the output of "glxinfo | grep -i render" ? [14:39] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] http://paste2.org/p/433262 [14:40] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:41] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@79.54.69.19) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [14:41] scary, and meaningless to me. sorry, haven't tried to use ATI's closed source in a loong time. [14:42] Kumool (n=Monevo@adsl-72-50-74-135.prtc.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0"). [14:42] mancha, running with --buildpackage slackware/all doesn't seem to work, it has some output. [14:42] that might not be the exact syntax it is close though [14:42] snearch (n=olaf@e179128192.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [14:42] hrm, what's the installation path for the driver? [14:43] (eg, where are drivers usually stuck in linux) [14:43] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [14:43] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [14:43] Man-erg_ (n=meck@93-40-77-252.ip37.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:43] hi. is there a mp3 encoder included in slackware or in extras? [14:44] josteint_: I don't think so, but there is at slackbuilds.org [14:44] maybe --buildpkg Slackware/All [14:45] Crptic is that X serssion running from a root login? [14:45] ie run glxinfo as the user who started X [14:45] wertik_kremlin (i=500@89-178-146-65.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:45] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-77-252.ip37.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [14:45] mancha, I did, it returns the first bit of info in that paste, if I su in, it returns the second bit of info. [14:46] permission problem then [14:46] mancha, I just ran the driver installation again and it said it produced errors, I checked the error log, here is a pastebin then: http://paste2.org/p/433264 [14:46] did you get the right ati driver for your card? [14:47] did you see the build output? [14:47] complains about wrong kernel headers [14:47] Cryptic, seems like you are using an old driver thich is not compatible with the newer kernels [14:48] oahong (n=user@218.22.80.158) joined ##slackware. [14:48] sigh. I got the radeon 3xxx driver. [14:48] strange error, imho [14:48] card is mobility radeon [14:48] Mobility is at the bottom of the damn drop down. didn't see it. [14:48] stupid ati. [14:48] er, amd rather [14:48] mobility radeon has been dropped from the newer drivers which means the older drivers are probably fubar w/ new kernes [14:49] besides, xorg support for those is pretty good [14:49] Action: slackytude used radeon driver [14:49] don't take my word for it though, try it, i am just making a good guess [14:49] sigh, uses [14:50] slackytude, you use the AMD radeon driver or the xorg? [14:50] xorg [14:50] no support from ATI for my stuff afaik [14:50] besides, ATI is painful [14:50] I was just glad the radeon driver was as good as it is [14:51] still, that error is strange [14:51] kscd is gone, how does one play audio CDs in kde4? [14:51] corte (n=corte@cpe-024-074-144-179.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:51] slackytude, well hell, now that I've put this ati driver on here, how can I get it off? [14:52] / move back to the xorg driver (or check to see if I have the most recent xorg driver) [14:52] since you didn't make a package you will have to hope it has an uninstall [14:52] and then find out if anything was overwritten [14:52] it doesnt replace system stuff like Nvidia does, afaik [14:52] I think it does (or definitely used to) [14:52] oh [14:52] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: "hard reboot" [14:52] it provides its own GL libraries, no? [14:53] I stand corrected then [14:53] i would assume gl is replaced [14:53] I thought only Nvidia did [14:53] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [14:53] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [14:53] libGL.so is one place to look for $crap [14:54] just use find with date [14:54] creation date [14:54] I'd like to find a date [14:54] Cryptic, it'll take a bit of sleuthing but if you're careful you can get back to pre-ATI shortly [14:54] Urchlay, get in the line [14:54] with a creation date before 1980, too... [14:54] eh [14:55] mancha, lol, well its good to know its possible =\ not quite sure how to go about it though. [14:55] dreamfire (n=peet@85-127-192-247.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:55] try to see what option that ati binary has [14:55] maybe it does uninstall [14:55] Cryptic, did you check for uninstall? [14:55] Action: slackytude think it does [14:56] slacky does the installer have uninstall or does an uninstall script get installed? [14:56] adamk_ (n=adamk@c-68-45-151-98.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] netwolker (n=netwolke@151.53.22.191) left irc: "Leaving" [14:57] mancha, the installer does not have an uninstall option. [14:57] mancha, I dunno, Im only guessing [14:57] slacky me too [14:57] ThomasLocke_ (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:57] damn ati ^-^ [14:57] Cryptic, you could see if you can --vuildpkg Slackware/All [14:58] eek, --buildpkg [14:58] then installpkg/removepkg (cheap way but would work) [14:58] I mentioned earlier that option was supported with the ati installer :-) [14:58] adamk, and do you know or are you guessing? [14:59] I've done it with fglrx 9.8, so I know. [14:59] Default Slackware 13 install, plus fglrx 9.8. I can't be 100% sure the same is try with 9.9, but I'd wager it is. [14:59] adamk as far as i know, that target isn't there for all versions, hopefully for Cryptic's it is there [15:00] but if his ver is post your ver then i'd bet money it is there [15:00] that command attempts to do whatever its supposed to, but hits the same error I pastebin'd before (about adjusting symlinks) [15:00] maybe not all, then the module is causing problems [15:00] adamk, do you know the rule target for just the userland stuff? [15:02] Cryptic, try --buildpkg Slackware/Only_X [15:02] Cryp71c, how did you manage to install it the first time, if installer freaks out? [15:02] wait, this error? kernel includes at /lib/modules/2.6.29.6/build/include do not match current kernel. [15:03] slackytude, I didn't, apparently. but upon reboot my graphics situation had taken a turn for the worse. [15:03] (a) are you sure you actually have the kernel source installed, and (b) are you sure the symlink points to the right place? [15:03] Urchlay, yes I have both. this particular drive isn't even the right driver for my card. The driver is legacy and doesn't support the newer kernels (apparently anything newer than 2.1) [15:04] driver* [15:04] Cryp71c, well, if you didnt install it why are we searching for a way to uninstall. also, did you check your xorg.conf and logs? [15:04] mancha, that worked, I get a .tgz [15:04] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:04] ok good, now you can try to installpkg and them removepkg the tgz [15:04] slackytude, I was looking for a way to get back to my xorg driver, since it was performing better than my graphics are presently. [15:04] then look in the file list to see what you need to replace back in [15:05] Cryp71c: oh, OK, so you're not trying to fix the symlink problem, you just want to clean up the potential mess the ATI installer made... [15:05] Urchlay, correct [15:05] Urchlay, fancy error I thought [15:05] Urchlay, the way the version is "" [15:05] mancha, when I build the package, i got a list of files, do I need to still install the package and then remove it? [15:05] Urchlay, dont think I saw that before [15:06] the files that'll be removed as in the package itself [15:06] so tar tgf package.tgz will list them [15:06] slackytude: it's probably using some grep/awk/sed/something to grab the version number from some header file that exists in old kernel versions, but not in the new ones (or maybe does exist, but no longer contains the version number) [15:06] eek tar tzf package.tgz [15:07] ok good luck, off to do other things now [15:07] Urchlay, good call [15:07] anyway I have to confess, I'm not sure what a botched ATI driver install would break, if it bombs out with that error... seems like it would try the kernel stuff first, and if that fails, it shouldn't do anything else... [15:08] Sorry, had to walk the dogs. No, I don't know the option for just the userland stuff and I'm not in front of that system at the moment. [15:08] how can i determine what driver file is presently being used? [15:08] That'll settle whether any damage was actually done. [15:08] Cryp71c: look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log [15:08] Wait... [15:08] Cryp71c: Did you say you tried to install the legacy driver? [15:09] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:09] adamk, i tried to install the Radeon 3xxx driver when I was actually looking for mobility radeon 3xxx [15:09] grep LoadModule /var/log/Xorg.0.log [15:09] Cryp71c, duh [15:09] Urchlay, the last 20 lines are all fglrx =\ [15:09] looks like - despite the kernel failure - it went ahead and installed anyway. [15:09] Urchlay, I thought so too, but its ATI [15:10] man, ATI is so bad at drivers [15:10] my dog could write better ones [15:10] Would reinstalling X (which would subsequently over-write all the driver files and reset everything) fix it? [15:10] yes [15:10] yup [15:10] slackytude: Then get him started on it. The specifications are there for him to use. [15:10] is there a simple way I can go about doing that, perhaps with slackpkg ? [15:10] Cryp71c: yuck. Yes, reinstalling X would help, you probably want to reinstall the whole X package series though [15:10] its kinda lazy, bruteforce methode [15:10] lacking in style [15:11] Cryp71c: Have you checked in /usr/share/ati for an uninstaller? [15:11] and hardly any slack in it [15:11] adamk, I would but he is too busy since he started working for Nvidia [15:11] adamk_, :) thanks! [15:11] now to reboot and see what loads. [15:11] wait, did you keep a backup of your old xorg.conf before starting this? (or did you even have one?) [15:11] evo- (n=evo@91-67-161-20-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [15:12] Urchlay, it was default xorg.conf, i didn't manually make any backups. [15:12] This is a (almost) fresh Slackware 13 install [15:12] and did it change the xorg.conf? [15:12] maybe you just have a stupid #Driver line [15:12] it must have done, otherwise how come it's trying to load fglrx? [15:13] Yeah, it changed the xorg, because the xorg line is loading fglrx [15:13] Apparently to some success. I suppose I was fortunate to get any graphic rendering at all. [15:13] heh [15:13] Anyways, brb. [15:13] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@adsl-249-213-80.bna.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:13] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: "l8r" [15:15] hm, I wonder if he meant "rage mobility" instead of "radeon mobility" [15:15] eh [15:15] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@adsl-249-213-80.bna.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:16] yay! back to the RADEON driver [15:16] heh [15:16] which works fine for 2d, but lacks 3d entirely? [15:16] nah [15:16] Action: slackytude is on radeon as well [15:16] and I got the compiz! [15:16] It supports neither 2D or 3D acceleration with for Cryp71c's card with the default Slackware installation. [15:16] ouch [15:16] Hey expressible|domestically [15:16] er Urchlay [15:17] 2D acceleration is available with the 2.6.30.5 kernel in /extra/ [15:17] serpentine|bowman [15:17] On the DVD or from one of the servers. [15:17] 3D acceleration is available with various pieces of code from git, but is still buggy and under development. [15:17] Urchlay: heh, the second one, after that one, was: priming|rob [15:18] glxinfo is supposed to give me useful information, and not an error...right? (Even on the xorg RADEON driver?) [15:19] might need the new mesa patch [15:19] what error? [15:19] glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [15:19] not trying to run it as root are we? [15:19] nope [15:19] oh, thats bad [15:19] reinstall mesa [15:19] Cryp71c: Yeah, that's because you overwrote the Mesa libGL.so.1 library with the ATI drivers, but it didn't revert back to the Mesa file when you uninstalled. [15:19] Cryptic, i had a feeling it would overwrite that see my earlier comments [15:20] that's a real nasty thing of ati to do. [15:20] you might have overwritten other stuff, i don't know ati well enough, maybe some extensions too [15:20] omnipotentduo (n=omnipote@unaffiliated/omnipotentduo) joined ##slackware. [15:20] cmair (n=cmair@79.51.104.231) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:20] libglx *might* have been overwritten, but I don't believe so. [15:20] phzin (n=Reggae@189.57.19.89) left irc: [15:20] sound be able to tell by the date on the file, right? [15:20] it might still be the mesa patch, no? [15:21] if it was overwritten it should have todays date on it. [15:21] slackytude, was it you i was talking to about the netbook distro? [15:21] but yes, i'd go with thrice [15:21] omnipotentduo, dont think so [15:21] re-install mesa and you're probably good [15:21] omnipotentduo: you mean, Slackware? :D [15:21] Action: agentc0re|work runs it on my acer netbook [15:22] Cryptic a hard lesson but i bet you'll not forget it :/ [15:22] agentc0re|work, no i was talking about jolicloud, I dont want kde on a netbook, kde4 is a little combersome [15:22] omnipotentduo, oh jolicloud [15:23] omnipotentduo, yeah, we talked about that [15:23] slackytude, yeah, i remembered the name while i went and got a copy of the ISO [15:23] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [15:24] for those running mod_proxy_ftp go get patched at the source site [15:24] why? [15:24] i wanted to see how it ran, but i am out for a few, gonna be on later [15:24] take it easy [15:24] omnipotentduo (n=omnipote@unaffiliated/omnipotentduo) left irc: "Leaving" [15:24] omnipotentduo: then don't install it and use xfce or fluxbox. [15:25] can I reinstall mesa from slackpkg? [15:25] yeah [15:25] i guess people just don't think about these things using common sense... /shurg [15:25] Cryptic, i'd recommend against slackpkg [15:26] mancha, so? build mesa from source? [15:26] Cryp71c, reinstal [15:26] just intallpkg --reinstall mesa.blag.tgz [15:26] um, no [15:26] and no [15:26] a) slackpkg is fine, b) installpkg has no reinstall flag [15:26] maybe it's upgradepkg --reinstall [15:26] well, slackpkg doesn't find packages under the name 'mesa' [15:27] mesa-7.0.2-i486-1 [15:27] "um no" hah [15:27] slackytude, shouldn't the search functionality auto-return mesa-7.0.... when I put in mesa? [15:27] the search will [15:27] Cryptic, slackpkg might be "fine" i still reocmmend against it, use my corrected line after thrice politely pointed out the mistake [15:28] slackpkg search mesa ? [15:28] mancha: they do the same f'ing thing, why do you recommend against slackpkg? [15:28] Cryp71c, slackpkg reinstall mesa works for me [15:28] Kumool (n=Monevo@adsl-72-50-74-135.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] slackpkg reinstall mesa will download, and run upgradepkg --reinstall on it [15:28] slackytude, yeah idk. BTW mesa-7.0.2-i486-2 came up as an upgrade :) [15:28] because i've audited pat's pkgtools, slackpkg is a 3rd party black box for me [15:29] slackpkg USES pkgtools [15:29] Just an FYI, Slackware 13 uses Mesa 7.5. [15:29] thats why its in slack [15:29] Action: slackytude is on 12.1 [15:29] it might very well, i've not autidted it thought [15:29] slackytude, can I just close x and then restart it to reload the driver, or do I need to reboot? [15:29] so that is my explanation for why i recommended upgradepkg [15:29] you hardly ever need to reboot in linux, its not windows [15:29] [15:29] adamk_, yeah that's what I'm using :P [15:30] if you need to reboot, you are doing it wrong [15:30] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@adsl-249-213-80.bna.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:30] slackpkg is an official tool, it should hardly be discouraged [15:30] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@adsl-249-213-80.bna.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:30] jhw (n=jhw@p548F42E8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:30] Alright, time to go give the dogs a bath. [15:30] bbiab :-)( [15:30] well i will promote another official tool thanks. [15:30] Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". [15:31] Making my way from error to error [15:31] Damn you ATI! [15:31] Cryp71c: are you on slack 13? [15:31] thrice`, yep [15:31] Cryptic, reinstall xorg-server [15:31] no! [15:31] yes! [15:31] you grabbed the wrong mesa package [15:31] [ installed ] - mesa-7.5-i486-2 [15:31] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] ? thought 13 used mesa 7.5 ? [15:32] It does. [15:32] Cryptic, reinsall xorg-server and quit monkeying around [15:32] thanks :) [15:32] ok, that's right - you mentioned 7.0.x earlier [15:32] I did [15:32] Your GLX error is not from Mesa, but from xorg-server, as manca keeps explaining :-) [15:32] thrice`, yeah sorry that was an extension of slacky's comment [15:32] adamk, i try but i've got this thrice character doing acrobatics in the background :) [15:32] Action: slackytude cuddles his mesa-7.0 [15:32] ok, i'll leave [15:33] nah, we like you [15:33] you can stay [15:33] slackytude, mesa 7.0 > mesa 7.5 for legacy ati cards? or no difference? [15:33] yeah stay, just stop fighting with me! :) [15:33] Cryp71c, Im on 12.1 [15:34] slackytude, right i understand that [15:34] Upgrading to 7.5 probably means I need to replace half my installl ^-^ [15:34] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [15:34] gotcha. restarting x....again [15:34] BTW is ctrl + alt + backspace bad for killing X? [15:34] neonflux (n=mrjones@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:34] its fine [15:34] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@adsl-249-213-80.bna.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:34] nah, do it all the time [15:35] we had some brazilian (i think) guy who discovered ctrl-alt-back some weeks ago and literally did it 20 times [15:35] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@adsl-249-213-80.bna.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:35] he was psyched with the newly learned hotkey combo [15:35] There we go! Lots of numbers in glxinfo [15:36] now write on the blackboard 1000 times "I will not install fglrx ever again" [15:36] that's odd that ati overwrites xorg extensions [15:36] odd/scary [15:36] :) Thanks everyone for the help [15:36] now to go play with lilo.conf! [15:37] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-147-181.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:40] thrice`: nvidia is even worse. [15:40] but the drivers work [15:40] Depends on how lucky you are. [15:40] I did have one other question: after I proceed through lilo and pick Linux, I get a video error where the video code I entered in setup (apparently) is not valid. [15:40] Where can I go to change that/ [15:40] The only video drivers I'll ever use these days are the open source ones, and I'll go out of my way to buy video card with open source drivers. [15:41] i agree, i would not run a prop driver either [15:41] the most i'd go for is some black box firmware (maybe for nics) [15:42] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [15:44] pi31415 (n=bcollver@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: "peace" [15:44] i hugs my nvidia card with its binary blob that works so great [15:45] Action: e5oteric agrees [15:46] Cryp71c: edit /etc/lilo.conf, the various resolution options are listed there in comments [15:46] Cryp71c: when done messing with lilo.conf, run /sbin/lilo as root [15:46] be careful, if you mangle lilo.conf, you can end up being unable to boot [15:47] hehe, i've done that before too [15:47] though its been a while [15:47] lilo should complain if config is bad [15:47] catches a lot o fubars [15:47] hrm, I don't see the one here that I've been using [15:47] I've been using 349..I think its evga [15:47] Pig_Pen, do you play Counter Strike at all on Slackware? [15:48] and lilo.conf examples only have vga =\ [15:48] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [15:48] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [15:49] ..where the hell is the system monitor? It was here and now I can't find it. [15:49] Need to kill firefox [15:49] try under the sofa [15:49] stuff always turns up there [15:49] grrr and I don't know the terminal cmd to open it! [15:49] martinus (n=martinus@125.164.232.99) joined ##slackware. [15:49] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [15:50] no 3d accelerated games, i just like the graphics to be smooth and responsive, [15:50] pupiteee (n=p@93.86.1.230) left irc: "Leaving." [15:51] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@adsl-249-213-80.bna.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:51] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-147-181.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [15:51] Kumool (n=Monevo@adsl-72-50-74-135.prtc.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:51] hey, what ttf text font does mplayer want? [15:52] i just copy any sans type font to ~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf [15:52] x11's? [15:53] yeah any truetype font just copy & rename as ~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf [15:53] ty [15:53] does size matter? :) [15:53] char cell? [15:53] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-147-181.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:53] truetypes are scalable [15:53] ah [15:54] The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog [15:55] smart fox! [15:56] Action: e5oteric is Jack's Raging Bile Duct [15:56] poor jack [15:56] ^ Just had to work on one of our Windoze servers. [15:56] fun [15:57] *cough* [15:57] *sneeze* [15:57] better get that checked out, it might be contagious [15:57] lol [15:57] nah... just a little gag refelx [15:57] s/refelx/reflex [15:57] that's what she said [15:58] :) [15:58] webbi (n=webi@190.247.201.22) joined ##slackware. [15:59] hello [15:59] is there anyway to burn dvd's from console commands? [15:59] cdrecord [15:59] ew; lotso EFILE's on stracing mplayering; ld.so wants libmad.so; werzat? [15:59] growisofs [15:59] one of a few anyway [15:59] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@adsl-249-213-80.bna.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] grr I can't get firefox open to google the terminal command to open up the system monitor [15:59] Anyone? [16:00] review ff's cmdline optiosn [16:00] top ? [16:00] fire|bird: great, i will try it out... thanks! [16:00] try Explorer - it rulez [16:00] firefox -help [16:00] (rember x apps use [-]fullword optnames usually [16:00] Nono I'm trying to find the terminal command to open the system monitor [16:00] nods [16:00] firefox has crashed but remains in memory, I need to kill its process.. [16:00] Guess I could just kill... [16:00] Quiznos: if you can believe it, the libmad shared library comes from the libmad package [16:00] no no no i cant take it no mo' i'm tired of wakin up on the flo' [16:01] just kill it [16:01] ah [16:01] killall firefox-bin [16:01] killall -s 9 firefox-bin [16:01] LordAnta (n=wacky@188.27.105.161) joined ##slackware. [16:01] kill it with fire [16:01] webbi (n=webi@190.247.201.22) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:02] slackytude: hey, why me? :P [16:02] killall -9g [16:02] htop is nice for that [16:02] fire|bird, just half of you ^-^ [16:02] haha [16:04] Quiznos: libmad.so comes from the libmad package, silly [16:04] oh, someone already answered it ages ago [16:04] Action: Urchlay should pay attention [16:04] Action: Quiznos pokes Urchlay and falls over [16:05] LordAnta (n=wacky@188.27.105.161) left irc: Client Quit [16:05] urban (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:06] urban3 (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [16:08] guaxinim (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:10] evo- (n=evo@91-67-161-20-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [16:10] briareus (n=briareus@mayo-nat2.mayo.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:11] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@83.225.155.194) joined ##slackware. [16:12] anyone know of any hypnosis relaxation music/software for linux? [16:13] metallica [16:13] it's not OS-specific, but I think enya or something should work [16:13] briareus: possibly one of the plugins for xmms? or are you looking for something more specific? [16:13] cat /dev/random >/dev/pcm [16:13] :D [16:13] lol rg3 thats what I was thinking [16:13] briareus, BTW, how did your /home FS thing go? [16:14] Urchlay: I'm even looking for good .mp3s, just something along the relaxation/entrainment idea. not looking for quit smoking or lose weight stuff [16:14] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:14] you should get one of those kits from make [16:14] the brain machines [16:15] e5oteric: very strange. I used that testdisk software, it was really confusing because it showed about 40 partitions, most of which said deleted, five of which is said were legit (but I have 12 legit partitions really) so I closed out of it and restarted and all was well. (Still didn't have the .bash files but I rebuilt them) [16:15] ngworekara: interesting. [16:15] rg3: tried it, no noise :) [16:15] /bin/ls: cannot access /dev/pcm: No such file or directory [16:15] briareus: hmm. weird. [16:15] try /dev/dsp instead [16:16] make issue 10 has a schematic, but I think if you google around a bit the guy who wrote the article sells a kit [16:16] -su: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy [16:16] same guy that built the tv-b-gone [16:16] ah, kill whatever's using it, "lsof /dev/dsp" ought to show ya [16:16] k8___ (n=k8____@adsl-ull-246-37.49-151.net24.it) joined ##slackware. [16:17] oh, and use /dev/urandom, not /dev/random [16:18] anyone did a preorder for 13? [16:18] or did anyone get a 13 dvd already? [16:18] .... [16:18] cheap bastards [16:18] lol [16:19] ha. I haven't upgraded yet but maybe I will now that you mention it [16:19] well, I wantz me dvd [16:19] and the t-shir [16:20] Google plans to drag Internet Explorer into the world of modern Web browsing with a new open source plugin that will inject Chrome's renderer and JavaScript engine into Microsoft's browser. [16:21] "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" + headphones = pain [16:21] via a buffer overflow? [16:23] briareus: sounds like TV static to me, if you're old enough to remember TVs that didn't just turn blue + silent when tuned to an open channel... [16:24] oh I remember [16:24] after the national anthem played at night, and the color bar tone was done, it was all white noise [16:25] with that movie of a polar bear in a snowstorm [16:25] _bruno (n=bruno@187.41.79.135) joined ##slackware. [16:27] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [16:27] exusme, where i can find tango icon for slackware ?? i mean a *.tzx packages :) [16:27] WANGO TANGO ! [16:28] josteint1 (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [16:28] no clue, sorry [16:28] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:28] good evening good hackers :-) [16:29] macius (n=macius@i209-195-104-220.cia.com) left irc: "leaving" [16:29] y0 macavity [16:29] martinus, look in "l" [16:29] bolide, : np :) [16:29] jinjii (n=alpha@93.45.143.195) joined ##slackware. [16:29] mancha, : ok [16:29] greetings macavity, how are you? [16:29] thx :) [16:29] lionping (n=itsme@cm.mpi.univie.ac.at) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [16:29] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.99) joined ##slackware. [16:29] np [16:29] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:30] fire|bird: im cool [16:30] fire|bird: ... as always ;-) [16:30] nvision (n=nvision@pD953727A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:30] lol [16:30] http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/09/google-brings-chromes-renderer-to-ie-with-browser-plugin.ars [16:30] whut? [16:30] macavity: I've been messing with xfce lately, but I got kde 4.3.1 on the desktop now too. :D [16:30] slackytude: That should be interesting to follow. [16:31] aye :D [16:31] i wonder why they would bother doing that?!? [16:31] to piss MS off [16:31] psych warfare [16:31] i fail to see how that can piss them off [16:32] if people get chrome-engine-plugin via some other package (like, say, a codecpack), all they notice is that ie got faster [16:32] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.229.106) left irc: "Leaving." [16:32] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-24-129.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Connection reset by peer [16:32] lionping (n=itsme@cm.mpi.univie.ac.at) joined ##slackware. [16:32] everything and its grandmother tries to install google toolbar nowadays [16:33] i bet google toolbar will be expanded with "enhanced browsing capabilities" [16:33] google toolbar is malwarish [16:33] yup [16:33] any toolbar is [16:33] bleah, that sort of thing was one of the major turn-offs back when I ran windows [16:33] cmair (n=cmair@host231-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:33] if for nothing else, then just for eating screen realestate [16:34] Urchlay, aye [16:34] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-180-111.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [16:34] netscape 4.0 came with AOL instant messenger, and you could select not to install it... but really that meant "install it, and every 3rd boot or so, have it nag the user to enable it" [16:34] Ive seen IE with so many toolbars you hardly see the main windows [16:34] some installers used to be "kind" enough to have a checkbox, others just drill it down w/o asking [16:35] ..gah damn pidgin and gfire.. [16:36] jumperboy (n=jumperbo@gl206.websiteproject.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] a good reason to abandon ms-windows, i remember crap like that, i think my brother uses yahoo IM and still gets that yahoo toolbar in IE even when he tells it not to install the toolbar [16:37] iirc removing msn messenger (and keeping it off) requires several megaton nuclear warheads [16:37] it ain't really windows causing the problem, it's commercial software in general [16:37] (which includes windows, but MS can't really be blamed for 3rd party vendors bundling crap like toolbars...) [16:38] speaking of google toolbar, news.google.com is fried [16:38] ok.. getting go-oo to compile with gcj is probably going to be a pain in the ass :-/ [16:38] but that sort of behavious comes with the territory = if you use ms-windows and want to run any third party software you have to expect it [16:38] macavity: haha, still trying to beat it into submission? [16:38] macavity, not here [16:38] fire|bird: nothing less my freind [16:38] slackytude: huh? [16:38] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:38] macavity, thought you said news.google.com is down? [16:39] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.175.190) joined ##slackware. [16:39] anyone have any suggestions for a good cisco ios emulator? [16:39] what=!? [16:39] macavity, sorry [16:39] :P [16:39] mancha, works here ^-^ [16:39] tab completion fail. :P [16:39] yeah, I haz been confused [16:40] Kumool (n=Monevo@adsl-72-50-78-37.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [16:40] vastina: eh, I recall there used to be an IOS clone for Linux, damned if I remember what it's called though [16:40] slacky, ah, sure it's not cache? try reloading [16:40] Action: macavity looks like a baloon the air has been let out of [16:40] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.133.36) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:40] seems like it started with a Z [16:40] mancha, pretty sure [16:40] i actually though you had go-oo compiling *and* have the java done with gcj [16:40] it would be *so* much faster [16:40] Urchlay: sounds good enough to me, i'll keep looking, cheers [16:40] mancha: It's not working here. [16:40] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: "l8r" [16:40] or do you literally mean an emulator that emulates the hardware of a cisco router and runs the cisco firmware? [16:40] question, how do I get the slackbuilds for the official packages? [16:41] Phoenixfire159, any mirror [16:41] Urchlay: yeah, that's what i meant [16:41] Phoenixfire159, or cd 4-6 [16:41] Phoenixfire159: you look them up in the source/ dir on your local ftp mirror [16:41] fire, okay so aside from slacky , a bunch of are screwed :> [16:41] might not exist [16:41] Phoenixfire159: a few still use the old .build format [16:41] mancha: haha, yup. [16:41] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.76.187) joined ##slackware. [16:41] Phoenixfire159: be *very* carefull with those.. they install over the system, and then build the package [16:42] macavity: I was going to fakeroot them [16:42] Phoenixfire159: so, if you alter them you may hose something on your live system, rather than just getting a defunk package [16:42] vastina: cursory googling reveals: http://www.gns3.net/ [16:42] Phoenixfire159: good [16:42] according to arch's depends, it needs mono to build <.> [16:42] wait I'm using the slackware package browser on the website [16:42] Urchlay: saw the same thing, now i need to find the ios software [16:42] is that what I'm supposed to do? [16:43] you can even run PIX on it [16:43] thrice`: what does? [16:43] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.175.190) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:43] interesting [16:43] half the people in german irc get news.google.com [16:43] other get 504 [16:43] I actually have a crappy old cisco somewhere, wonder how hard it'd be to rip the IOS ROM [16:43] oh wait never mind I've got it [16:43] 503 [16:44] Urchlay: is it a 2600? [16:44] by chance [16:44] http://mike.opennix.com/2009/09/openoffice-3-1-1-1-for-slackware-13-0/ [16:44] 2x00, I forget what the x is [16:44] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [16:44] hm, doesn't look like ^^ provides source [16:45] slacky that _is_ weird [16:45] Urchlay: what part of the blue rock are you? [16:45] its down here [16:45] it's in a storage space 30 miles from here, and last time I looked, I couldn't find the power supply for it (IIRC it uses a weird DIN connector for the power supply) [16:45] in tx [16:45] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] blue rock? errr? [16:45] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [16:45] Urchlay: i might have the ps cable for it [16:45] Urchlay: where do you live... [16:46] :) [16:46] thrice`: thx :-) [16:46] ah. Atlanta area, GA, US [16:46] i'm in colorado [16:46] i always forget to google before i hammer my head into stuff :P [16:46] ok, so it shouldn't be hard to send it here if i paid shipping so long as it works [16:46] macavity: his depends look wierd - maybe he could email you a slackbuild =) [16:46] that's why i asked [16:46] not too horribly far away, for UPS or whatever... [16:46] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [16:47] lemme get back to you after I actually locate it and get it out of storage (will be heading that way in a few days) [16:47] Urchlay: yeah just pm me so i don't have to chase logs [16:47] i'd appreciate that a lot [16:48] yah. Er, you might want to remind me, if you don't hear from me for a while [16:48] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.175.190) joined ##slackware. [16:48] that's fine [16:48] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:49] also in the same storage space is a cisco thingy called an "IAD" (I forget the model number, it's something someone gave me and I never did anything with it) [16:49] stillborn (n=millax@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff71c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi) left ##slackware. [16:50] SlackLnx (n=Slackwar@85.139.11.245) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:50] i might be interested in tinkering with that [16:51] think it doesn't need an external power supply, uses a regular PC power cord [16:51] makes things a little easier :) [16:52] thrice`: hit F5 :P [16:52] just looked at our routers, every one of them has that pc power cord type connector [16:52] muumi (n=chatzill@82.114.81.90) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.18/2009090807]" [16:53] macavity: :) [16:53] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-21-21.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:54] why the hell would i requre Ant? [16:54] the documentation said nothing about it, and the configure script didnt either [16:55] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.5.21) joined ##slackware. [16:55] htmlol (n=take@ool-457a3d2d.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:56] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [16:56] Hey [16:56] hi [16:56] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189-69-25-135.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:57] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [16:57] akSeya (n=akSeya@201.21.175.190) left irc: Client Quit [16:57] aloha [16:58] that was not an exam [16:58] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-211.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:58] that was a whats 1+1 you're done test [16:58] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-180-111.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:58] heh [16:58] lol [16:58] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:58] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [16:58] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [16:59] _bruno_ (n=bruno@187.41.79.135) joined ##slackware. [16:59] wb fatalnix [16:59] yeah I accidently right clicked and clicked exit after that in fluxbox [16:59] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-183-190.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [16:59] really fast [16:59] _bruno (n=bruno@187.41.79.135) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:59] lol [16:59] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [17:00] did you see or hear about my perl package? [17:00] josteint1 (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [17:00] Yeah, I seen you talking about it yesterday. [17:00] scorchsaber (n=scorch@user65-127.vicres.utoronto.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:00] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [17:00] I wrote a slackbuild for perl 5.10.1, essential for developing Catalyst applications. [17:00] ah [17:00] its on my website [17:00] rd5 (n=rd5@189.111.164.142) left irc: "Saindo" [17:00] I havent had a single problem [17:01] and if I did i can use /usr/bin/perl-5.10.0 instead or /usr/bin/perl [17:01] just on a hunc, since you name is fatalnix, you dont run opennix.com do you? :P [17:01] Is ext4 stable now? Should I be using it instead of ext3? I just went to install Slack 13, and I see it on the FS list, and that kind of surprised me. I guess I haven't been paying enough attention. [17:01] of* [17:01] ext4 is ext3 with some neat inode feature [17:01] and its much faster [17:01] holy crap its faster [17:01] But it's stable, right? [17:01] yeah [17:01] Slackware has it [17:01] does that answer your question? [17:01] :D [17:02] heh, good point [17:02] :P [17:02] I have ext4 on my laptop. [17:02] fatalnix: Not quite. Stable was the wrong word-- recommended, I think. [17:02] yeah [17:02] its default on slack13 now [17:02] i.e. I don't think I'd want to try ReiserFS or anything. [17:02] I will still use JFS for my servers [17:02] because JFS is really good as a networked filesystem [17:02] I have xfs on my Desktop. [17:02] lol! [17:02] :P [17:02] i use jfs on my laptop [17:02] hello guys [17:02] crash n burn firebird! [17:02] y0 LnxSlck [17:03] lol [17:03] I used xfs once [17:03] hey fire|bird [17:03] it lasted two days and ate itself [17:03] because it is not as CPU intensive, and it is as fast as reiserfs for compiling [17:03] reiser worked fine for me, for years [17:03] fatalnix: haha, I haven't had any issues, um, yet. :P What should I expect. [17:03] actually I think it lasted about a week [17:03] slackytude: same here.. i find jfs the perfect replacement [17:03] something weird happened and then the filesystem was just.. foobar. [17:03] macavity, aye [17:03] i use vfat [17:03] EW [17:03] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [17:03] dont lie to us! [17:03] mancha, sick, sick, person [17:03] macavity: any other good points, over, say xfs? :P [17:03] ffox's nag screen is back [17:04] when i tap the laptop mouse nothing happens... do i need the synaptics module? [17:04] mancha: that's not even funny as a joke. :P [17:04] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:04] :P [17:04] LnxSlck: probably, yeah. [17:04] _bruno_ (n=bruno@187.41.79.135) left irc: Client Quit [17:04] LnxSlck: turn your touchpad on? [17:04] fatalnix, it is on [17:04] fire|bird: honnestly, i didnt bother cheking xfs.. jfs works nice for a compilation box, that is all i need [17:04] I know some laptops have an annoying function key for it [17:04] and its dumb [17:04] rfs ate 11g here once [17:04] we have a hate hate relationship now [17:04] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.185.223) left irc: "Segmentation Fault" [17:05] lol [17:05] fatalnix, not this one [17:05] macavity: ok. I've seen many people talk of jfs before, but I've never bothered checking it out. :P [17:05] the old xorg.conf was so much better [17:05] nah [17:05] rfs? [17:05] reis [17:05] yeah you probably need to load the synaptics driver [17:05] or was that semantics [17:05] mmm [17:05] ubuntu you must go away! [17:06] ooboontoo [17:06] haha [17:06] I liked more gnome than kde 4.2 [17:06] otherwise it's youbyoutyoun [17:06] and that makes no sense [17:06] http://artiomix.googlepages.com/ubuntu.png [17:06] LnxSlck: i highly disagree [17:07] pay me 100 bucks I paste that in #ubuntu? [17:07] macavity, my current xorg.conf only has the info for the graphic card [17:07] macavity, now i have all sort of issues with keyboard mapping, laptop touchpad... [17:07] LnxSlck, worked like a charm for me [17:08] the touchpad thing is easy to fix: edit /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse.conf to say imps2 [17:08] dont pay me anything i paste it for free, hell ill do it right now fatalnix [17:08] I am so goint to paste that in #ubuntu [17:08] slackytude, laptop touchpad? [17:08] and the keyboard mapping is easy as hell to: just freaking add the layout [17:08] lol [17:08] oh, no, not that [17:08] to xorg.conf [17:08] go ahead tell me the response :D [17:08] LnxSlck: ^^ [17:08] i am smarter than hal [17:08] fatalnix: hahaha, you probably won't last long, but go for it. :P [17:08] can change keyboard layout in kde / xfce as well [17:08] if you use imps2 for the toucpad you get the "tap to click" back etc [17:09] fatalnix: already did [17:09] :) [17:09] haha [17:09] fatalnix: i left soon after :( [17:09] join and let me know if they say anything [17:09] fire|bird: lmao! :-) [17:10] macavity, after editing that file i need to restart X or hal? [17:10] X [17:10] brb [17:10] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.5.21) left irc: "Saindo" [17:10] I dont see anything going on about that image there [17:10] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [17:10] >_> [17:10] you might have wanted to tell him to reload psmouse... [17:10] uh [17:10] its a kernel module, not an xorg module for crying out loud [17:10] Action: slackytude hides [17:11] macavity: He'll find out soon enough. :P [17:11] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:11] in still in there [17:11] 17:09 < fatalnix> want me to spoonfeed too? [17:11] fatalnix: please be nice to the nubibuntards... [17:12] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [17:12] alright alright [17:12] still [17:12] they havent said anything [17:12] they are tasty [17:12] slackytude: yes.. and good with ketchup [17:12] Action: slackytude nods [17:12] oh god one of the systems here has openssh 4.2 [17:12] alright thats enough of that [17:12] so dont upset them, that just ruins the taste [17:13] antiwire: pwn2own! :P [17:14] why airplanes should use slackware: [17:14] http://i30.tinypic.com/8wxk51.jpg [17:14] oh man.. that has GOT to hurt :P [17:14] hahaha [17:14] This is the pilot speaking........ [17:14] however i think it has been photoshoped [17:15] of course! [17:15] macavity: definitely [17:15] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-21-21.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:15] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [17:15] do you think they'd actually run a full os on an airplane with passengers? [17:15] the government wouldnt allow it [17:15] nasa does it [17:15] define "a full os" please :P [17:15] Nasa used Fedora for some systems. [17:15] I gues syou're right, maybe I meant, fully featured os [17:15] including the Countdown clock [17:15] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Connection timed out [17:16] the space shuttle and the international space station is owered by Slackware. we are saved. [17:16] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.104.183) joined ##slackware. [17:16] they are. [17:16] LnxSlck: you left before i got a chance to tell you to reload the psmouse kernel module... [17:16] seriously? the shuttle and ISS uses slack? :P [17:16] and Perl. [17:17] LnxSlck: modprobe -r psmouse && modprobe psmouse [17:17] use SpaceShuttle::Landing [17:17] :D [17:17] lol [17:17] pgeek|| (i=pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:17] ISS::ORBiting [17:17] pgeek|| (i=pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) joined ##slackware. [17:17] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "pqp!!!!!!!!!" [17:17] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [17:17] if there is just one single line of perl involved with the ISS i dont want to get on it [17:17] I'm not sure what they use in the shuttle for programming, but most of their sattelites run on Perl [17:18] .. think of the time it would take them to find the bug in it [17:18] the sims 3 is teaching that by hitting a toilet with a hammer for a few hours, i can make it self-cleaning [17:18] macavity, my logg off button shutdowns my pc [17:18] lool [17:18] macavity, but it worked like a charm [17:18] Action: macavity bows to the audience [17:18] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:18] I actually got to speak with someone who works on those sattelites and such [17:18] my uncle told me they will be putting in a division around here, and if its something i want to look into... [17:18] macavity: yes, please bow, just don't tell me you'll be here all day, will you? :P [17:19] spook: can you come over and hammer a little on mine? [17:19] fire|bird: i will be performing quater hourly for the rest of your life.. and in between the shows i will just chitchat to entertain the guests ;-) [17:19] maydayjay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [17:20] macavity: Ok, that works. :P [17:20] macavity: theres something in your house i'd be more than happy to hammer for you :) [17:20] [ in bed ] [17:20] I know why they use perl I bet, theres no recompiling involved, they could technicly reporgram the space station at any time and reboot its code live [17:20] spook.... :P [17:21] actually a live perl interpreter can eval new code (including replacements for existing functions/classes) without exiting/rebooting/anything [17:21] yes [17:21] require(); [17:21] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:21] many languages can do taht [17:21] fatalnix: though, i bet that editing individual perl files underneath a running program *might* have funny side effects [17:21] right [17:21] and with Module::Reload its awesomer [17:21] Module::Reload either didn't exist, or I wasn't clever enough to know about it, back when I really needed it... [17:21] teh only problem is that Module::Reload is iffy [17:22] I use it for my irc bot [17:22] i think they should use Lisp for those kind of things [17:22] especially in C when you have a char[10] and some getc() or something [17:22] and I just coded my bot to reboot itself by making its own reboot script too [17:22] then deleting it when it boots again [17:23] fatalnix: yah, I was talking about an IRC bot too... but I haven't run one in ages now [17:23] crap.. explodepkg does not make a top level dir >_< [17:23] i ALWAYS forget that :P [17:23] heh [17:24] :) [17:24] I just made one I think works very well [17:24] it only has 5 commands and is about 300 lines [17:24] but I wrote plugin support for it. [17:24] k8___ (n=k8____@adsl-ull-246-37.49-151.net24.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:24] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-167-6.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:24] macius (n=macius@209.195.104.220) joined ##slackware. [17:25] y0 slackers....How's everyone? [17:25] greetings MLanden, how are you? [17:25] I wonder if I can make emacs save over ssh [17:25] or vim [17:25] without fuse [17:25] smooth for the aft'r'noon and you,fire|bird? [17:25] What console programs don't work with UTF-8? Is there a list somewhere? [17:25] MLanden: excellent, thanks. :) [17:26] awesome,fire|bird [17:26] (regarding the advice in the setup that not using UTF-8 is the safe choice, etc.) [17:26] have to admit though, fuse is insane [17:26] as in awsome [17:26] excusme, where i can find source for libnice ? [17:26] awesome* [17:27] i wan to installing farsight but i cant find libnice source :( [17:27] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/farsight2/ [17:27] martinus: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/libraries/libnice/ [17:27] owh thx fire|bird :) [17:28] martinus, they dependencies for all SBo scripts will be on SBo as well [17:28] scorchsaber: grep has problems with UTF-8: it works, but *very* slowly compared to using it with a non-UTF-8 locale [17:28] like thousands of times slower... [17:28] slackboy, : owh i c :) [17:28] Urchlay: Eek. That's pretty big. [17:28] slackytude, : owh ic, thx for information :) [17:28] (though at least it does work) [17:29] yeah [17:29] fire|bird: on that smasher program I told you 'bout, tried and compiled it...csound needs the double-precision library..that might conflict with fluidsynth [17:29] compiling sshfs now [17:29] there are patches that supposedly make it faster, and they do, but they also break it on 64-bit (the -i option stops working!) [17:29] they need to optimize multi-byte chacter handling [17:30] mancha: the really annoying thing here is, even if the regex *and* the input contain only 1-byte characters, the slowdown still occurs [17:30] MLanden: Ah, ok. Thanks for letting me know. I hadn't had time to mess with it yet. [17:31] Urch, do you know if upstream is actively working on it? i think sed might be suffering the same fate [17:31] I think Urchlay suggest to have it fork by Pat [17:32] hrmm, not sure thats the answer though [17:32] Pat didnt like it either ^-^ [17:33] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: "leaving" [17:34] upstream has had a TODO note about it on their web site since 2003 or so [17:34] damn,freenode's really laggin' [17:34] I can only assume they're not likely to suddenly do anything about it, 6+ years after it was first reported... [17:35] they might just leap into actiom suddenly, who knows [17:35] utf8 has grown more ubiquitous though since then [17:35] the complaint-factor might increase [17:35] webbi (n=webi@190.247.201.22) joined ##slackware. [17:35] hello back [17:35] my suggestion was to steal^H^H^H^H^Hborrow the patches from debian or redhat, that supposedly fix the problem... but they don't work correctly on slackware64 (the -i option quits working entirely) [17:35] well im going to burn a dvd with growisofs [17:36] should i use any param to make it windows compatible? [17:36] Urchlay: high and dry in your area? [17:36] i used -J in mkisofs to create the image [17:36] I haven't really looked at it in a while, was going to dig into the code at some point, see if I can figure out WTF's going on [17:36] what in the -i code is not 64-bit friendly? [17:36] MLanden: eh? no, flooded here [17:36] ah, never mind, msgs crossed in the ether [17:37] mancha: I dunno. I just applied various combinations of patches, honestly didn't take the time to understand how the code actually works :) [17:37] sorry to hear,Urchlay [17:37] depending on who made the patches, it might be hackish anyways making it closer to write-only [17:37] yah [17:38] Urchlay, correct me if Im wrong but Id say it shouldnt be too difficult to fix grep up. They might have some whacky optimisations but still should be doable [17:38] slackytude: I can't say whether you're wrong or not, I dunno how it actually works. The whole unicode/utf8 thing is still pretty new to me, for 20+ years my brain thought 1 byte = 1 character... [17:39] heh, yeah, same here [17:40] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-147-181.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:40] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@adsl-249-213-80.bna.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:41] thought the same thing as well,Urchlay [17:43] _dieter_ (n=dieter@p54BEE6DC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:49] scorchsaber (n=scorch@user65-127.vicres.utoronto.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:50] fuck.. why the hell cant ooo-builder find QT?!? [17:51] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:51] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:52] Action: macavity installs kde3-compat in a last frantic effort [17:52] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:53] ugh, Windows is so obsolete [17:53] I mean, Slackware arbitrarily jumped to verison 7 like TEN YEARS AGO [17:53] Why are they so far behind the curve? [17:54] reports are that it's not too shabby, right? [17:55] no [17:55] I think it's pretty good [17:55] They brought back my favorite feature of Windows. [17:55] WinNuke! [17:56] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [17:56] so you'r ebeing sarcastic? win7 has oob vulnerablilities? [17:56] L'il Kylie wants to pwn your gear....http://www.wayangtimes.com/cute-little-girl-is-the-new-face-for-windows-7-commercial.html [17:56] mancha: The recommended fix is to disable file sharing iirc.. sec [17:58] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:58] Wow, Win7 can do slideshows?! [17:59] mancha: http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/09/08/1345247/Windows-7-Reintroduces-Remote-BSoD?from=rss [17:59] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Client Quit [17:59] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:00] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.240.23) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:00] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Client Quit [18:00] mancha: I am not being sarcastic. They brought back my favorite feature, remote BSOD on people :P [18:00] pmvalente (n=pmvalent@a213-22-61-37.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [18:00] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:00] martinus (n=martinus@125.164.232.99) left irc: "Leaving" [18:01] evil, good grief [18:01] I know, eh? [18:01] this comment was worth a laugh though: But Macs cost too much, and Linux is too hard. And Microsoft only hits me because he loves me. [18:01] eviljames: As jedidiah comments, "Windows users are like domestic abuse victims." :D [18:02] lol,mancha [18:02] mancha :) [18:03] that's great, the reply was quoted before OP [18:04] windows users suffer from Stockholm syndrome [18:04] talkin' 'bout Mac...see they're using Patrick Warburton as the shiny new PC for their commercials [18:04] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome [18:05] Pig_Pen: that's apt. [18:05] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.34) left irc: [18:05] it sure is :D [18:06] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:07] why dont we have an /usr/share/aclocal/qt.m4 ? [18:07] i belive what is why running autoreconf doest fix why ooo-build cant find Qt4 on this system [18:07] have you looked in the qt dir? probably /usr/lib/qt* [18:07] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [18:08] MLanden: Brock Samson is supposed to represent a PC? [18:08] what is qt.m4? [18:08] what? [18:08] mancha: it is a macro to test for Qt on the system [18:08] its an m4 macro file for what? [18:08] ernesto_ (i=500@200.109.131.173) joined ##slackware. [18:08] mancha: used by GNU Autotools [18:08] oh ok, qt [18:08] Urchlay: not the PC guy himself,Urchlay....just as the top of the line PC [18:09] -prefix /usr/lib${LIBDIRSUFFIX}/qt [18:09] Pig_Pen: i know where Qt is.. ooo-builder does not :P [18:09] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [18:09] my mind was thinking: quicktime? qt? qbert-tinkerbell [18:09] point it at it --with-qt-dir=/usr/lib/qt [18:09] cmair (n=cmair@host231-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:09] mancha: qbert-tinkerbell? lol [18:10] mlanden heh [18:10] MLanden: haha [18:10] unrecognized option [18:10] this is bloody freaking annoying [18:10] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:10] quacktime for ducks [18:10] m0o [18:10] macavity: spam their bug report system. ;) [18:11] bring it to it's knees [18:11] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:11] hi, i just installed slackware 13 on my 32 bit pc, everything is running smoothly but i cant seem to be able to open my music cd's in amarok, it doents find them and the icon in the oanel wthat tells you what devices are mounted, only allows me to rip the cd's with k3b, how do i change that so i am actually able to listen to them? [18:11] fire|bird: X_X [18:11] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:11] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:11] ernesto_: i bet you need to edit fstab [18:11] MLanden: devs of go-oo need some tough love, this is ridiculous. :P [18:12] ok Pig_Pen [18:12] tough love's puttin' it mildly,fire|bird [18:12] indeed [18:12] i have a # before /dev/cdrom [18:13] remove that # [18:13] what's the purpose of commenting that line out by default, again? [18:13] something to do with udev and/or hal, I disremember [18:14] done! [18:14] works now? [18:14] lets see [18:14] ernesto_ (i=500@200.109.131.173) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:15] not sure but i build my kernel using only the newer atapi IDE stuff and my drives are /dev/sr0 & /dev/sr1 [18:15] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:15] CD & DVD [18:15] hmmm, that's the new stuff? my drive(s) used to be /dev/sr0 back in the 2.4 days, using ide-scsi emulation [18:16] Quiznos (i=1000@68.56.143.229) joined ##slackware. [18:16] Nick change: Quiznos -> Guest29452 [18:16] mine were always /dev/hdc & hdd [18:16] re [18:16] dns blackout [18:16] guess it's goin' old school...:D [18:16] if they were /dev/hd?, they wouldn't work with cdrecord, back in the 2.4 kernel days and earlier [18:17] wth; i cant ghost quiznos [18:17] what's the kwd to kill enforcer? [18:17] there is no quiznos user [18:17] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [18:17] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [18:17] Quiznos [i=1000@68.56.143.229] has joined ##Slackware \n Quiznos is now known as Guest29452 [18:17] enforcer stoll my nick [18:17] i know that [18:18] duh [18:18] heh [18:18] Guest29452: You are now Guest, embrace your new name. :D [18:18] so, you can't just /nick Quiznos again? [18:18] i'm no guest [18:18] i'm a troll [18:18] nop [18:18] apparently not [18:18] The Quiznos chain has finally found you and revoked your nick. [18:18] lol [18:18] lol,fire|bird...only WE are toasty...:D [18:18] haha [18:18] Nick change: Guest29452 -> Quiznos [18:19] Oh no, your back [18:19] stoopit ident only gives 30s to ident [18:19] yeah, that's what the enforce option does [18:19] threatened to sue him for infringement of the "Quiznos" trademarked name [18:19] wtf are they doin that; bastard [18:19] heh [18:19] It's not them, it's you for setting +e [18:19] alright; back to hacking [18:19] no no; the e is when identd [18:20] No, +e is enforce, which is something YOU have set. [18:20] k [18:21] alphad (n=alphad@41.207.16.202) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [18:21] Urchlay: haha, here's a good one. skeleton|arrowheads [18:23] skeletons are not very aerodynamic [18:23] or would that be arrowdynamic ;p [18:23] lol [18:23] heh [18:25] ernesto (i=500@200.109.131.173) joined ##slackware. [18:25] i still have the same problem ... [18:25] can't listen to cd's can only rip them [18:26] i bet it is a configuration in your audio/video application [18:26] ernesto: Is it possible that Amarok is trying to play the CD through the analog output on the CD drive itself? [18:26] since you can rip them but not play [18:27] look in Amarok's preferences [18:27] vdvluc (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:28] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [18:28] looks like i broke soudn [18:28] sound* [18:28] Reticenti: Can you hear me NOW? :D [18:28] and Dolphin still doesn't show it... [18:28] fire|bird: WHAT? [18:28] ernesto: While you're at it, look at your sound mixer and check mute and level settings. [18:29] ernesto: Are you in the plugdev and audio groups? [18:29] ok [18:29] YAY! [18:29] yes [18:29] Action: macavity now knows configure.in-fu!!! [18:29] macavity: success? [18:29] and go-oo is building now :-) [18:29] sweet [18:29] congrats,macavity [18:29] Action: fire|bird high fives macavity [18:29] Action: macavity beams [18:29] ernesto: By the way, playing audio CDs? How retro :) [18:30] grep -R QTDIR . [18:30] that is how to find out what the hell is going on :P [18:30] your supposed to rip them and use p2p to share them with the world [18:30] ernesto: Does any other app allow you to play the cd? [18:30] better to go vinyl....:D [18:30] it was a missing /include/ after the $QTDIR [18:30] no, not really, i cant even see it in dolphin [18:31] i been looking for a Jazz song named "Kelly Blue" [18:31] omnipotentduo (n=omnipote@unaffiliated/omnipotentduo) joined ##slackware. [18:31] cant find it anywhere [18:31] ernesto: but it shows up in kde4's device plasmoid next to the kde menu? [18:31] ernesto: did you mount it using device notifier ? [18:31] now.. next project: how to get rid of GConf et all [18:31] macavity: hahaha [18:32] fire|bird: the boneheads must be using debian.. Qt4 uses QT4DIR and not QTDIR, so it was actually two bugs in one [18:32] lol [18:32] it shows up in the plasmoid, but it obnly allos me to rip the cd using k3b, [18:32] Pig_Pen: who's the artist? [18:32] so who wants to help me get sound back? [18:33] Howard Johnson & Gravity [18:33] ernesto: Why not just rip the cd to your computer and listen that way? [18:33] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-183-190.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:33] fire|bird: next: get it to build with GNU Java instead of Sun Java [18:33] fire|bird: you know you want to help me with sound :) [18:33] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:33] http://www.hojozone.com/ this guy MLanden [18:33] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-128-90.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [18:33] because i will have to do that with every cd i put in... [18:33] fire|bird: then, off to making split binaries with gtk and kde support respectively [18:34] macavity: awesome, sounds like a plan. :) [18:34] Reticenti: nah, but MLanden sure does. :P [18:34] wild,Pig_Pen [18:34] ernesto: And then you will never have to put the CDs in ever again. Win. [18:35] me what,fire|bird? [18:35] hcfd yes, but i have a lot of cd's that i would have to rip... [18:35] Kelly Blue is awesome jazz, the last 5 minutes of the song he makes that tuba do some incredible sounds [18:35] MLanden: Reticenti's audio issue. I was joking and said that you'd love to help him. :D [18:35] fire|bird: i kind of dont like the idea of launching binaries with support for both in them if i can at all find a way to have a set of common files and kde/gtk-centric files.. i may have to build the crap twice to get that, and handfudge some wrapper scripts with LD_LIBRARY_PATH hacks.. but who cares :P [18:35] ernesto: I guess. So you tried playing with Amarok and with mixer settings? (kmix I presume?) [18:35] macavity: yeah, at least it's building now finally. [18:36] I rip ALL the cd's I get to the pc, using flac. :D [18:36] Reticenti: does your computer see your sound card/chip? [18:36] i expect it to bomb out at any minute :P [18:36] hcfd, i can't see it with amarok or any other app but k3b [18:36] MLanden: it did, then i restarted [18:37] Reticenti: can you reload the driver? [18:37] MLanden: via modprobe? [18:37] Reticenti: worth a try [18:38] ernesto: Doesn't k3b do something with permissions on first run to ensure it has access to the optical drive(s)? Have you tried running Amarok as root and testing visibility and playback? [18:38] MLanden: I don't know which module it uses though... [18:38] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:38] same problem as root [18:38] Reticenti: Do you know what the make is? [18:39] MLanden: it's built in [18:39] Casandrax (i=Casandra@host-90-233-174-186.mobileonline.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:40] here's my ftsab line : /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom auto noauto,owner,ro 0 0 [18:40] ernesto: And if you do ls -l /dev | grep sr0, are the appropriate symlinks there? (where sr0 is your actual device) [18:41] Change owner to user. I *think*. [18:42] Action: hcfd is treading on 'change stuff till it works' territory here [18:42] i would look in dmesg and see what it calls the CD & DVD drives [18:42] MLanden: this is the info for my mobo: Audio High Definition Audio, ADI AD1986A 5 -Channel CODE (for sound) [18:43] MLanden: I recently blacklisted the module ppdev, could that be it? [18:43] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:43] MLanden: I also blacklisted pcmcia and pcmcia_core [18:45] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-32-49.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:45] Reticenti: no...can you try alsaconf in root? using 12.2 here [18:46] NanoSilver (n=NanoSilv@c-98-192-67-209.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] jeev| u there? [18:47] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:48] thrice`: i havent installed *half* the crap the opennix dude said, and now it builds [18:48] MLanden: running alsaconf under root let me do it, but when I try to run alsamixer as user, it gives this: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory [18:49] Reticenti: are you a member of the audio group? [18:50] hmm [18:50] no [18:50] weird [18:51] Reticenti: haha, you weren't in the audio group? Were you before? [18:51] did you actually read the onscreen help when you ran adduser? [18:51] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [18:51] that could do it as well...:D [18:51] macavity: I had sound working today, then I restarted and it stopped :| [18:51] ouch [18:52] ernesto (i=500@200.109.131.173) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:53] checking for crypto library... configure: error: At least one crypto library should exist for xmlsec1 [18:53] *great* [18:53] omnipotentduo (n=omnipote@unaffiliated/omnipotentduo) left irc: "Leaving" [18:54] Action: MLanden sounds like Hoffman's Rainman....not pretty,def'n'ly not pretty..:C [18:55] tntslack (n=i@adsl124-20.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:56] ok.. i might as well give in and use xulrunner and nss [18:56] *shit [18:56] i edited /etc/group and put myself in the audio group, but when I "id" i'm still not in the group [18:56] def'n'ly a good driver [18:56] def'n'ly [18:56] Reticenti: you have to restart x [18:56] e5oteric: lol [18:57] MLanden: lol -- fishticks and Wopner [18:57] lol....yeah,it is Tuesday [18:57] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [18:58] a) why dont we have xulrunner/nss packages on SBo [18:58] b) why is seamonkey not up to the task.. is the project dead? [18:58] i see this problem has been around since FC5 at least [18:59] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:01] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [19:02] jinjii (n=alpha@93.45.143.195) left ##slackware. [19:03] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Client Quit [19:04] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:05] macavity: MOST distros ship nspr, nss, xulrunner separately, and then build firefox (and the next generation of seamonkey will be able to, also) [19:05] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [19:05] er, build firefox against them. Slackware ships firefox AND the engine (libxul) together, and internal nss goodies. [19:07] all of the udev rules are in /etc/udev/rules.d/ right? i remember there being a lot more... [19:07] thrice`: that fucks shit up when it tries to find a working nss :-/ [19:08] nvm. /lib/udev [19:08] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [19:08] nositelicense (n=nositeli@cpe-67-49-45-203.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:09] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:10] macavity: I bet :( [19:11] MLanden: ok, sound works again, thanks :) [19:11] could someone educate our beloved Pat V as to how this is done correctly? :P [19:12] i am rather bussy with go-oo [19:14] spmd (i=loli@187.64.33.203) joined ##slackware. [19:14] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@20150129117.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:15] Reticenti: good community here...give praise to all..:D [19:15] rworkman: are you around? [19:16] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Client Quit [19:16] Reticenti: good to HEAR...:O [19:16] checking for xulrunner-xpcom... checking for libxul ... Package 'libxul' requires 'nspr >= 4.8.0' but version of NSPR is 4.8 [19:16] what the HELL? [19:16] haha [19:16] so, 4.8.0 != 4.8 ?!? [19:17] awww, the ubuntu forums jsut sent me a happy birthday email [19:17] martinus (n=martinus@125.164.232.97) joined ##slackware. [19:17] apparently not. :P [19:17] Reticenti: seriously? Awwww. :P Wait, what the heck are you doing on the Ubuntu forums with an account? :P [19:17] Reticenti: lol...they get the spellingz right? [19:17] fire|bird: I've used ubuntu in the past [19:18] Reticenti: So have I. :P [19:18] macavity: try: http://crux.nu/gitweb/?p=ports/opt.git;a=blob_plain;f=xulrunner/xulrunner.diff;hb=2.6 [19:18] Hey thrice`, how's it going? [19:18] mingdao (n=mingdao@unaffiliated/mingdao) left irc: "leaving" [19:19] X is using all of my cpu power... now what's wrong :\ [19:19] Reticenti: you broke it. :P [19:19] i know :\ [19:19] NanoSilver (n=NanoSilv@c-98-192-67-209.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:19] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.76.187) left irc: "leaving" [19:19] fire|bird: good thanks, you? [19:19] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78.86.149.244) joined ##slackware. [19:20] thrice`: excellent, thank you. :) [19:20] /usr/bin/X :0 -auth /home//.serverauth.3338 is using all my cpu [19:20] what's .serverauth? [19:21] thrice`: nice.. but i dont have the slackbuild for the xulrunner package i am using [19:21] elbeardmorez_ (n=elbeardm@78.86.149.244) joined ##slackware. [19:21] thrice`: i got it from that opennix place [19:21] /home/ajb/.serverauth.6903: X11 Xauthority data [19:21] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [19:21] top secret Reticenti [19:21] macavity: oh, go-oo is tossing that error, and not xulrunner? [19:22] Reticenti, The serverauth stuff is almost certainly not responsible for X using all your CPU. What video card do you have? Are you using the correct driver for it? [19:22] macavity: After all this, go-oo better be a speed demon. :P [19:22] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78.86.149.244) left ##slackware ("Don't follow me"). [19:23] adamk_: I'm using htop to tell me that, and that's what it says is using all my cpu, I have a mobo gfx card, it was working fine earlier.. [19:23] true,fire|bird..or else the spam bombs will be set to autofire...:D [19:23] lol [19:23] in my bios, should I change plug and play OS to true or false? [19:24] Reticenti, I don't doubt that X is using all your CPU. I just don't think it has anything to do with the serverauth stuff you are asking about. [19:24] Reticenti, Go to http://pastebin.com/ and paste in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file. [19:24] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:25] nositelicense (n=nositeli@cpe-67-49-45-203.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:26] adamk_: http://pastebin.com/d49513116 [19:28] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:28] nullify_ (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:28] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:28] Reticenti, You are using the open source 'nv' driver which provides very little 2D acceleration and no 3D acceleration. It does not surprise me that this driver would consume so much of your CPU. [19:29] ah [19:29] Reticenti, You may want to consider installing the proprietary nvidia driver for better 2D and 3D performance. [19:29] how do i go about using the correct driver? [19:29] thrice`: yes [19:29] alright [19:29] I'm not aware of any packages specifically for nvidia, so I think you'd have to download the driver from nvidia.com and install it manually. [19:30] ok [19:30] Reticenti: NO [19:30] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:30] Reticenti: go to slackbuilds.org and get the repackage of the driver [19:30] macavity: the nv driver? [19:30] Oh, cool, I didn't realize there was a slackbuild. [19:30] Reticenti: that way you dont get your Mesa files clubbered [19:30] Reticenti: nvidia driver, not nv. [19:31] Reticenti: no, the nvidia.com driver has been repackaged into a real slackware package [19:31] my gfx card was doing fine, then it just got messed up somehow [19:31] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [19:31] (after a restart) [19:31] Reticenti, http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=nvidia&sv=13.0 [19:31] Reticenti, Check the two first links. And read up on using slackbuilds, if you're not familiar with it. [19:31] macavity, Thanks for the correction, btw. [19:32] yw [19:32] also, if I eneabled plug and play OS in my bios, would that possibly have affected it? [19:33] because it was working fine before [19:33] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:34] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. 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[19:46] elbeardmorez_ (n=elbeardm@78.86.149.244) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [19:47] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:48] nullify (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:48] Reticenti flip it then [19:48] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@20150135042.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:49] linux doesnt really use bios; bu there are exceptions [19:49] grub, video, x notably [19:49] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:49] lilo too [19:50] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:50] nullify (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:50] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:51] Quiznos: with the newer bioses, irq doesn't come to conflicts like it used to? [19:52] i wouldnt know but i'm getting a hankering for populating my dospart and running Forth [19:52] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:52] SpyKee (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [19:53] talkin' 'bout FORTH got me thinkin' of the Jupiter ACE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter_Ace only saw one here in Virginia from someone who bought it in the UK [19:53] kool [19:53] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: [19:53] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:54] weird, it was plug and play os switch in the bios [19:54] now X is only using 6% [19:54] ok [19:54] 6 of what? [19:54] before it was using 50-805 [19:54] odd-one-out....cool...:D [19:54] 6% of cpu processing power [19:54] ah [19:54] ok.. if it was up to 805% you must have done something right [19:54] not 805% [19:55] lol [19:55] 805, he missed the shift [19:55] i could bloody well use 805% of my Core2Duo right now [19:55] Action: macavity is still compiling OOo [19:55] burn,baby,burn...:D [19:55] yeah, I can overclock the cpu inside linux to make it go to 805% the speed [19:55] lol [19:55] macavity: heh, I compiled FF, I know how you feel. [19:55] heh [19:55] thumbs: i thought FF was somewhat small :P [19:56] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:56] macavity: not really. [19:56] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [19:56] i can make my beany propellor spin faster [19:57] macavity: I think it takes around 6 hours on decent hardware ;) [19:57] wow [19:57] Quiznos: then you be known as Quisp...:D [19:57] heh [19:57] but i messed up the acetyl choline test [19:57] should writ [19:57] Quiznos: I really had visualized you wearing one, and you just confirmed it. :P [19:58] macius (n=macius@209.195.104.220) left irc: "leaving" [19:58] i can make my tin-foil propellor spin faster [19:58] heh [19:58] I think i remember compiling OOo a year or so ago on my core2duo 2.66 (2 cores) and it only took 3 hours or so. [19:58] can you only compile OOo with gcc? [19:58] Or maybe in the 2 hour range.. [19:58] we ALL wear beanies here.....8-(:-O) [19:58] has anyone tried tcc/tinycc? [19:58] agentc0re: I guess that's not so bad :) [19:59] Nah, wasn't so bad. [19:59] and i don't think i even passed -j5 [19:59] heh; new channel out of the gate in a few mins... [19:59] watch this space... [20:01] hmm? [20:01] #OldSkoolGeeks open to one and all. [20:01] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [20:02] Action: XGizzmo never liked school. [20:02] why....no class? [20:02] I loved school, but I'm glad I'm done with school. :P [20:02] come on; join!!! [20:03] c'mon, NO WAY. :P [20:03] cowards [20:03] Quiznos: go join ##nice-people. :P [20:03] pff [20:03] i'm fo0d why do i must be nice [20:03] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-128-90.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:03] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-117-95.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [20:03] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:03] Quiznos: because if you aren't, you cause indegestion. :P [20:04] better larn to pray for ya fo0d [20:05] silentContender (n=silent@user-24-214-169-9.knology.net) joined ##slackware. [20:05] fire|bird: if i got there, then they'll have to rename the channel. [20:06] let's see if they steal this channel from me [20:07] agentc0re: yeah, for sure. [20:07] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:07] rapid (n=rapid@210.49.86.242) joined ##slackware. [20:08] nullify_ (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:09] Quiznos: most of OOo is c++, the rest is in Java [20:09] Quiznos: so you take a guess at what you have to compile it with :P [20:10] i think there's a tinyc++ implemention :) [20:10] hope is alive here :) [20:10] nasm? :P [20:10] gnu be damned [20:10] fasm [20:10] spasm [20:10] clasm [20:10] silentContender (n=silent@user-24-214-169-9.knology.net) left ##slackware. [20:10] i think you should consider findin an other OS :P [20:10] i'm tryin [20:10] GNU is not going away any time soon [20:10] doesnt need to [20:10] quite the contrary [20:10] nah [20:11] macavity: after running this command, I got a nice little speed boost in kde. nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=2 -a GlyphCache=1 & (For nvidia of course) [20:11] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [20:11] Quiznos: windows7 will be released soon, maybe santa clause will get you a copy [20:11] fire|bird: i'm thrilled ;-) [20:11] RipVanWinkle++ [20:11] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [20:11] macavity: I can tell. :P [20:12] macavity: You're excitement is overpowering the channel atm. :P [20:12] fire|bird: now go speed up SwapBuffers() in Mesa on Intel.. *then* you will see excitement :P [20:12] RipVanWinkle: Santa's ran out of coal or switches? [20:13] macavity: If I knew how, I would. and, having linux on some intel hardware would help too. :P [20:13] Quiznos has been a very bad boy lately [20:13] MLanden: Nah, with the economy, Santa's handing out IOU's [20:14] fire|bird: just get your soldering iron out.. you dont need that nvidia chip anyhow, right? :P [20:14] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:14] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] fire|bird: hear ya....checks...bouncy,bouncy checks [20:14] fire|bird: and robbing banks. [20:14] macavity: hahaha, it's a separate card, don't even need a soldering iron. [20:14] maybe santa will get Quiznos a copy of win95 brand new still in a dusty old shrinkwrap [20:14] XGizzmo: lol [20:14] fire|bird: ok, then just take it out with a crowbar :P [20:15] macavity: hahahaha. Then I'd need an intel card, the nvidia card is all it has. [20:16] macavity: Seriously though, whatever that command does, it noticeably helped. [20:16] brrrr... i am starting to NOT like what google is doing [20:17] what are they doing? [20:17] this whole clouding shit [20:17] http://wave.google.com/ [20:17] Ah [20:17] I've seen wave in various videos, looks interesting, but good grief, is it REALLY needed. [20:18] fire|bird: not really....just seems like bloated hype [20:18] MLanden: agreed [20:19] i dont trust "teh clawd" on principle matter :P [20:19] MLanden: Sort of like, myspace, twitter, facebook, etc. It's friggen taking over everything. :P [20:20] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:20] Quiznos sure got quiet, he is trying to be a good boy so santa does not bring him yucky software [20:20] lol [20:20] Maybe he found a female subway and it was love at first bite. [20:20] RipVanWinkle, i eated Quiznos [20:20] nullify (i=n@24-183-105-235.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:20] fire|bird: agreed [20:21] lol, hope you dont get a tummy ache edman007 [20:21] MLanden: and now, myspace can integrate with twitter, etc. It's getting ridiculous. [20:21] edman007: was it TOASTY? [20:21] No, Quiznos wasn't toasty, he fell out of the toaster oven, how do you think he got here? He escaped. :P [20:22] fire|bird: true....too much blogspheres [20:22] MLanden: for sure [20:24] MLanden: Although it's called "social networking" It's almost seeming to take away social interaction. [20:24] MLanden, very [20:24] How's it going edman007 [20:24] xfs_repair takes forever [20:24] lol, what happened that you need that? [20:25] fire|bird, kernel was giving me backtraces trying to mount my myth partition... [20:25] Ah [20:26] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:26] Quiznos wouldn't know yucky software if it flew up and bit him... otherwise he wouldn't be bashing GNU stuff so hard [20:26] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-152-34-93.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] fire|bird, and it was doing it for ext3 yesterday...i did a fsck on them [20:26] RipVanWinkle i'm reviewing freenode history [20:26] macavity: it strikes me that there are lots of things Quiznos is ignorant about. [20:26] macavity lol [20:26] byte me clown [20:26] :) [20:27] spook: but allas.. its "hip" to hate GNU [20:27] Quiznos: oh hi, didnt see you there [20:27] fire|bird, but i got an antenna and tuner today, hdhomerun is pretty good and i found out abc has a crappy transmitter because the fcc is a dick [20:27] pff yea :) [20:27] edman007: haha. I've read good things about hdhomerun, seems like it'd be a neat thing to have. 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[20:40] get some 190 proof everclear and make a Guiana grape juice [20:41] SpyKee (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:42] escaflownTG (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:43] Nick change: Kamus_Away[xi] -> Kamus_H_Zwisch [20:46] root (n=root@209.195.104.220) joined ##slackware. [20:46] [maleko] (n=[]@unaffiliated/maleko/x-198721) joined ##slackware. [20:46] i've been told by my friend that bloody maries are even better than irish coffee [20:46] Nick change: root -> Guest56246 [20:47] V8 juice & vodka [20:47] yes. [20:47] they are tasty [20:47] hey could somone tell me which group do i need to add myself to be able to burn cd/dvd's? i added myself to cdrom yet aps like k3b dont reconize a cd/dvd writer unless im logged in as root [20:48] Nick change: Guest56246 -> macius [20:48] use that k3b setup thing [20:49] tntslack (n=i@adsl124-20.ath.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:50] hm i tried k3b setup and its teing me theres no group known as burning? [20:50] :S do i need to create one manually? [20:50] looks that way [20:51] /etc/group [20:51] long live the Wicker Man [20:51] MLanden: Eh, what a slakdick :) [20:52] :D [20:52] The tune is nice though [20:52] Cheerio Mr winterbottom! :) [20:53] lancel00t (n=lancel00@24-196-153-213.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:53] Cheerio miss Sophie [20:53] hehe [20:53] why does the slackware 13 install fail at font-cache on some systems? [20:53] ok, we are going to get Mesa-7.5.2 [20:54] thats nice... i was afraid that Mesa was going to spiral into state of eternal-new-feature-realese-syndrome [20:54] Casandrax: yeah,it is a good tune [20:55] o/ [20:55] firedix_ (n=firedix@host42.201-252-176.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [20:55] 7.6 is probably still a month or so out [20:55] I talked to a "flannel" in ubuntu. I couldnt get it out of him, why he liked to kick people and he didnt want to talk about it. A very odd man i must say [20:55] thrice`: yup.. but it looks like 7.5.2 will be released at the same time [20:55] ubuntu is for wierdos [20:55] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:56] hey guys, how are you :D [20:56] please, a nice dark ggnome theme that don't mess with buttons and fields that have a dark background [20:56] hi Kamus_H_Zwisch [20:56] hii where i can find intltool-update.in, intltool-merge.in and intltool-merge.in in slackware ? [20:57] hii where i can find intltool-update.in, intltool-merge.in and intltool-merge.in *file* in slackware ? [20:57] no stuttering [20:57] macius (n=root@209.195.104.220) left irc: "leaving" [20:57] because i wan to installing nimbus themes, but in configure process i got error. Your intltool is too old [20:57] b-b-bbut why q-q-q-uizn-n-nos? [20:57] too much to read [20:58] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:58] lancel00t (n=lancel00@24-196-153-213.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:58] martinus try locate cmd [20:58] MLanden: Yeah!. Perhaps this "Funnel" guy who likes to kick people in ubuntu could be delievered to my doorstep. I always liked a cosy stepping carpet ;) [20:58] remember to run updatedb as root first [20:59] martinus yea, if locate fails, then run slocate -u / [20:59] then locate [20:59] i got this error msg -> our intltool is too old. You need intltool 0.23 or later, but when i check at /var/log/packages. My intltool version is 0.40 [20:59] ananke: ping [20:59] Nasty OPS/ ehum people nowdays [20:59] Casandrax: gear! [20:59] martinus: what for? :) [20:59] er, what gives the error [20:59] martinus ok; then removepkg both of those packages; and install from a fresh pkg [20:59] thrice`, : i just wan to installing nimbus themes :) [21:00] martinus: What are you doing to install the theme that is giving you that error? [21:00] MLanden: I have never has any issues taking out some things. I dont like this flannel :) [21:00] martinus: instead of configure, try "./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr" [21:01] fire|bird, : wew, i love this themes :) [21:01] i try with ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr but autogen.sh fail :( [21:01] mm, ok, one sec, I'll try [21:02] fail because autogen.sh couldn't find gnome.autogen.sh [21:02] where i check at source dir, i cant find gnome.autogen.sh file :( [21:02] slackware doesn't have gnome [21:03] firedix (n=firedix@201.252.176.42) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [21:03] fire|bird, : yaps i know, yesterday iam installing GSB distribution for my current slackware :) [21:03] and usually ./autogen.sh generates the "configure [21:03] martinus: ./configure --prefix=/usr works fine on my system [21:03] What theme needs to be built like that? I never have had to install a theme that way. [21:03] http://dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads/extras/nimbus-0.0.17.tar.bz2 <-- iam download this file [21:04] http://dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads/extras/nimbus/nimbus-0.1.3.tar.bz2 [21:04] fire|bird: java desktop,sun's [21:04] Casandrax: sorry to hear of your expeience with the flannel [21:04] make ran OK too :> [21:05] Rat409: yeah, nimbus is osol's default gnome theme. [21:05] in default configure process, i got error intltool to old since 0.12 version. But in 0.12 version, i can solve with this command in src dir -> intltoolize --force then try to run configure without error [21:05] 0.1.3 configure ran perfect on my 13 box [21:05] but in newest version, run intltoolize --force in src dir not help very much :( [21:06] MLanden: Seems there can be no fun at all in his flannel, the #Ubuooring ? :) ... [21:06] martinus: on a fresh 0.1.3 DIR, using "./configure --prefix=/usr" does NOT run fully? [21:06] wait [21:06] real good channel here with the slackers...:D [21:07] MLanden: I agree that when many people meet there could be some rules, but to not have a laughter with one another.... Count me out right away [21:07] sigh [21:07] please, a nice dark ggnome theme that don't mess with buttons and fields that have a dark background [21:07] thrice`, : same [21:08] martinus: hold on, i'll show you. [21:08] Kamus_H_Zwisch: Coder's Midnight Theme is my fav [21:08] lancel00t (n=lancel00@24-196-153-213.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:08] Casandrax nods; alot of ppl dont know how to laf; they lack funibonez [21:08] martinus: are you on slackware 13? [21:08] spook: Did you just speak poke or poked the peak with stoke ? [21:08] thank you Rat409 [21:08] is there a way to get slackware 13 x86 to finish installing on a core 2 duo system? [21:08] yes [21:08] Casandrax: yes [21:09] Quiznos: Most do, but most of us dont say anything. Now we do perhaps [21:09] ,8 ,1 [21:09] Casandrax i've been noticing this ailment on freenode for years [21:09] lancel00t: there shouldnt be any reason why it wouldnt work [21:09] martinus: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/LZhWYB78.html [21:10] spook: well it doesn't and at least one other person has inquired about the issue. [21:10] lancel00t: tell us the errors you are receiving. [21:10] Quiznos: Since 2003 its been very bad. The new anti OSS ops dont want OSS [21:10] martinus: it fails initially, but then finds the intltool items [21:10] pm? [21:10] well the install runs fine until it reaches font-cache and then it just sits there forever [21:10] thrice`, : this is my step by step -> http://pastebin.ca/1575961 [21:10] Casandrax it's the staff here; since lilo left. [21:11] lancel00t: how much ram do you have in your PC? [21:11] 4gb [21:11] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-91-9.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:11] Rat409: can you please send me the link? I'm unable to find it [21:11] I load the installer with hugesmp.s as well [21:11] Quiznos: They also want to replace our old ops on Debian etc. Stew is amongst those he said, but there are some more. They cant do jack shit [21:11] martinus: ok, for the 3rd time, use a newer version of nimbus [21:11] lancel00t: are you trying to do any fancy mdadm, lvm, luks type setup? [21:11] agentc0re: none of that [21:12] thrice`, : wew, 0.17 is a newest version of nimbus themes [21:12] lancel00t: that's fine. you can actually just hit enter at that point. [21:12] thrice`, : check at this url -> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads/extras/ [21:12] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [21:12] Quiznos: I have one word to say... SoapOpera :) [21:12] Casandrax stew is a serious trouble maker and pain in my ass; in ##Linux he has devoiced me twice now without cause. [21:12] lancel00t: what about partitioning out things, IE: / on hda1, /home on hda2, etc.? [21:12] agentc0re: oh i should also mention the keyboard becomes unresponsive at that point. [21:12] martinus: ok, i'll post again: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads/extras/nimbus/nimbus-0.1.3.tar.bz2 [21:13] agentc0re: yes home and / are on seperate partitions, as well as /boot [21:13] martinus: Could always try one of the nimbus themes at http://www.opendesktop.org/ [21:13] 0.1.3 is over a year newer than 0.0.17 [21:13] thrice`, : hm.. wait2x [21:13] Casandrax read a pm [21:13] thrice`, : i will check at created date at sun.com url [21:14] lancel00t: Okay, here's my guess. you're / partition isn't getting mounted so it's installing slackware to the ramdisk. once your 4Gb capacity is reached, it freezes. [21:14] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [21:14] hi godling [21:14] sup [21:14] thrice`, : arrrgh my mistake, i will try 0.1.3 nimbus version ~_~' [21:14] nuttin [21:14] thrice`, : thx for this info :) [21:14] well alot but i dont want to write it yet [21:14] sure :> [21:14] freaking hgot outside, just got home. five min [21:15] not only is 0.1.3 newer, but it works :) [21:15] :D [21:15] ok2x [21:15] download mode on :D ^_^ [21:15] lancel00t: how big a partition is / ? [21:15] agentc0re: 80 gb [21:15] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-128-201.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [21:16] :O [21:16] lancel00t: I know it's not a problem with the installer. So there's something wrong with how you partitioned and/or that partition in general. [21:16] why so huge?! [21:18] agentc0re: thanks for the advice, i will give it another try. [21:18] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) joined ##slackware. [21:19] lancel00t: boot the cd to the prompt and mount your partitions. see if anything has been writen to / [21:20] thrice`, ; yaps in 0.1.3 version, configure process run successfully :) [21:20] fatalnix_ (n=fatalnix@pool-70-105-227-102.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:20] Hey [21:20] does anyone here know how to connect to a cosco router? [21:21] costco? [21:21] :P [21:21] cisco? [21:21] it uses an rj45 style console port, not a serial cable. [21:21] oops [21:21] spook: sshh! [21:21] cisco [21:21] lol,godling [21:21] Action: godling connects to a costco pizza [21:21] I connected the console to my laptop and theres no indicator light thats lit for a connection.. [21:21] fatalnix_: yeah, cisco usually package in about 50 of the db-9 to rj45 cables with each product [21:21] but it says everythings ok [21:22] hmm [21:22] you cant use a network port, its serial. [21:22] what kind of router is it? [21:22] Action: spook hits fatalnix_ over the head [21:22] Action: spook hits godling over the head [21:22] you're both idiots [21:22] what? [21:22] well I'm used to them having serial headers not network ones [21:22] rj45* [21:23] spook: You're the Australian. [21:23] Nick change: Kamus_H_Zwisch -> Kamus_Away[xi] [21:23] well I guess I could go downstairs and make an adapter [21:23] I rest my case. [21:23] :P [21:23] cat5 cables are serial cables. and I have th diagrams that show what goes to what too [21:23] fatalnix_: it uses a special connector that is pinned from a rj45 to a serial connection. [21:24] deco_ (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:24] fatalnix_: its rs232, not 802.3/ethernet [21:24] spook++ [21:24] fatalnix_: yeah, cisco usually package in about 50 of the db-9 to rj45 cables with each product [21:24] spook: well, I have new socks and you don't so SUCK IT. [21:24] godling: i have a penis. so suck it. [21:25] just a moment... [21:25] isn't that what your dad is for? [21:25] godling: no. [21:25] :P [21:25] someone woke up on the wrong side of the territory this morning [21:26] i havent slept [21:26] fatalnix_: http://tinyurl.com/kv5n4c that's what it will look like. [21:26] and am on my 2nd cup of black irish coffee [21:26] lancel00t (n=lancel00@24-196-153-213.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:26] i think you need more irish in your coffee. [21:26] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [21:26] you can never have enough. [21:26] Action: godling puts a little Irish in spook [21:27] http://www.nag.ru/ferra/router/img/2511.jpg [21:27] cisco 2509 [21:27] basicly what I have, only I dont have a seccond scsi async connector [21:27] those are old. [21:27] i had some of those, tossed them away. [21:27] fatalnix_: would you like one of the cisco cables? i have 6 bajillion of them [21:27] i'll fedex one over [21:28] it powered my tech school a few years ago my instructor gave it to me and said I could probably make use of it [21:28] lol [21:28] Refused telnet@proxyscan.freenode.net (invalid handle: CONNECT 2) [21:28] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [21:28] fatalnix_: probably not. [21:28] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Connection timed out [21:28] so you're saying I need a cable that connects to the cisco routers cconsole rj45 jack to a serial connector to my computer? [21:29] fatalnix_: there is a cool program i found once... was like a virtual cisco environment. [21:29] fatalnix_: yes, cisco provide them with their products [21:29] fatalnix_: do you have the manual? [21:29] I found the manual before I reformatted... [21:29] it took a while [21:29] its quite a nice router [21:29] its really not [21:29] doesn't it show a picture of the connectors in the manual? [21:29] yeah. [21:30] it doesnt have a lot of ram, so you can only put a really basic barebones IOS on it [21:30] ut has an 8 meg stick and some other one [21:30] yeah thats jack all [21:30] I wonder how much it can hold [21:30] [maleko] (n=[]@unaffiliated/maleko/x-198721) left irc: "Leaving" [21:30] get a bunch of your friends to stand on it and find out. ;P [21:31] Quiznos: Tried GAdmintools.org ? /I find it sexxi :) [21:31] godling: ++ [21:31] +++ [21:31] my school's got a jackload of cisco routers just stacked up in the CS lab [21:31] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] i've got a 36xx and a 25xx, plus 3 29xx switches [21:31] greetings and salutations [21:31] all of it junk [21:31] how much load would a jackload jack if a jackload could jack load? [21:32] greetings andarius, how are you? [21:32] salutations fire|bird, i am well, how are you ? [21:32] bolide: A toad of a hack! :) [21:32] Cheerio! [21:33] fatalnix_: http://www.gns3.net/ [21:33] andarius: I am excellent, thank you. I've got xfce configured nice now with Overglossed Black, Blended, and gnome-colors brave (for icons) [21:33] salutations,andarius [21:33] 'salutations MLanden [21:33] fire|bird: screen shot? [21:33] i'm hungry, i feel like eggs [21:33] spook: ask your mom to lay some [21:33] OH SNAP [21:34] andarius: http://omploader.org/vMmVkcA [21:34] greetings andarius:) [21:34] y0 hitest [21:34] evenin', hitest [21:34] spook: dont forget the salt and the pepper. also, mix in some mushroom and other stuff [21:34] godling: thats not really an oh snap [21:34] hiya fire|bird [21:34] That's REALLY cool sounding! [21:34] fire|bird: very nice [21:34] Casandrax: i dont like mushroom, or you. [21:34] pffft [21:34] how good is it? [21:34] hi Mlanden [21:34] spook: KeeeSo ? [21:34] spook: how hot does the temperature get over there? [21:35] godling: right now? or in summer? [21:35] spook: hottest [21:35] hitest: How's your tweaking on your systems coming along? [21:35] downloading sources [21:36] spook: Youre very old, with gray hair. You dislike life in an unprofound way [21:36] godling: about 320K' [21:36] I'm going to ask my friend if the college has some cisco routers I can experiment with also, I'd like to find one I can use on my rack of 3 servers [21:36] we use m0n0wall currently, but the disk broke. [21:36] spook: that's Arabic hot [21:36] might as well be walking on the sun...:D [21:36] MLanden: excellent, thank you. My systems are done. I was thinking of blowing out my -current partition for Slack64. [21:36] 2.6.31-imortal ? wth? [21:37] because toastytoast was a friggin idiot and got the smallest, oldest har ddisk he could find [21:37] agentc0re: haha, just a kernel name [21:37] godling: not every summer, but like maybe every 5 years we get a nice heatwave [21:37] cool,hitest...tweak on [21:37] yep, will do:) [21:37] fatalnix_: dude, check my link out. http://www.gns3.net/ i think it's probably the best thing to practice on. [21:37] spook: Can i suggest a first/second or third military service to get your ticker pumping ? [21:37] Nick change: fatalnix_ -> Fatalnix [21:38] spook: You tool :P [21:38] I know im about to compile it agent [21:38] :D [21:38] Casandrax: whats with the personal attacks? [21:38] oh, cool :D [21:38] I cant wait to see how good it is [21:38] does Slackware come with Sip? [21:39] spook: he saw how big your penis was when you whipped it out.... he now has to defend his. [21:39] all thx for your help, now i must go home and sleep :) [21:39] Action: agentc0re passes out the microscopes [21:39] martinus (n=martinus@125.164.232.97) left irc: "go home and sleep :)" [21:39] lo [21:39] lol [21:39] lol [21:39] spook: " Casandrax: i dont like mushroom, or you." [21:39] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:40] guessit does [21:40] Fatalnix: you can tab nick's too so that if you respond to someone ie: me... and only say agent i wont know but the whole name alerts me. Tab will enter my full nick. [21:40] Casandrax: i appologise, i meant to type 're cooking ideas [21:40] spook: Why did you feel angryness towards me ? [21:40] no you didn't! [21:41] No you didnt [21:41] s/'re'/r [21:41] Wancker! [21:41] you said you're sleep deprived and getting liquored up :P [21:41] i didnso too! [21:41] Lol! [21:41] godling: no u! [21:41] You too amuse me, Continuate! [21:42] Casandrax: i'd amuze u? [21:42] Action: agentc0re is confused [21:42] I'm not sure if i should get the popcorn or not... [21:42] :P [21:42] haha I was about to show you guys the hardware set up for the computer lab at my school so I googled "cal poly pomona lab" (without quotes). [21:42] I was amused at the first video response. [21:42] spook: Continue [21:42] "Continue the joke." [21:42] Casandrax: no u [21:43] currently looking for an IOS image [21:43] http://www.answers.com/topic/cassandra [21:43] godling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2e_eTl9haw that one? LMAO!! [21:43] Fatalnix: you got a cisco account? [21:43] agentc0re: yes [21:44] lol [21:44] nope. [21:45] working on it [21:45] Actually I might have one, I'll find out [21:46] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:46] Netacad [21:46] spook: My greets to Kelli :P [21:46] Kelli? [21:46] Yeah, he liked to pretend he was gay [21:47] any name ending in i is a stripper name [21:47] Any ? :P [21:47] You dont know many names do you ? [21:48] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [21:48] yeah, any name [21:48] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:48] I guess the Greeks are screwed [21:48] :P [21:48] godling... sounds like frog---oodling in my native language (Dont worry, i have 3 native languages) [21:48] godling is now known as godli [21:48] :D [21:48] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [21:48] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [21:48] Fatalnix: my dad works for a company that are cisco platnium partners, he could probably get the IOS you need. [21:49] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.141) joined ##slackware. [21:49] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-128-201.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:49] Frodlix ? Frodlix... you sexxi bastid.. is that Yehaw? .. Yawn [21:49] Casandrax: what? [21:49] Lol etc [21:49] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-94-68.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [21:49] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@96.250.220.91) joined ##slackware. [21:50] you mean for the 2500? [21:50] You worthless cabanaboy! :P (Signed Marcy Darcy Chicken at large:P) [21:50] froinlaven! [21:50] ok i have an account now [21:50] Fatalnix: yeah. [21:51] it should have something already on it though- [21:51] if it was used not two years ago when I was there [21:51] Casandrax: What languages do you speak natively? [21:51] Is godling tring to guess my nationality ? ... There it came [21:51] 65 [21:52] No, I'm asking you what languages you speak natively. [21:52] There are about 149 i think atm [21:52] You first [21:52] you're on crack [21:53] I concur, chopp. [21:53] wth, wont let me log in [21:53] macavity: done yet? :D [21:53] oh duh [21:53] Fatalnix: you saw me he before. [21:53] s/he /here / [21:53] Simoriah and the crack crew of #xlnx again ? [21:54] Grow up! [21:54] Action: Dominian 's troll detector just went off [21:54] do you have a sister who goes by missywhack? [21:54] i may be an adult but i refuse to grow up! [21:54] mine beat yours by ~30 lines [21:54] haha [21:54] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [21:54] godling: I've been "busy" [21:55] Dominian: make sure to clean up the keyboard before you continue typing [21:55] Hmm, pigpen is correct at this point. [21:55] hehe [21:55] lol [21:55] godling: "network" issues [21:55] Action: Dominian had to take care of a spammer [21:55] hmm [21:55] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.39.200) joined ##slackware. [21:55] Dominian: i've never thought to ask, are you married? [21:55] "take care" [21:55] I saw who before? [21:55] Mr Ericsson, Mr Ericsson [21:56] I like it [21:56] spook: yes I am. [21:56] now he has stinky fingers [21:56] Dominian: but not to a registered nurse like rworkman is. [21:56] rworkman is married to an RN? [21:56] umm no [21:56] im not sure what I need for GNS3 [21:56] for an ios... [21:56] and BP{k} is married? to kethry [21:56] I've met some really evil RNs [21:56] spook: that's his "significant' other.. I would say the word "married' yet hehe [21:57] godling: Oh godling, oh yes. Oooh, goodling, oh yeahs... oooh :P [21:57] why is freenode trying to get my ctcp version? [21:57] Action: spook knows the juicy goss about quite a few regulars in this channel [21:57] godling: are you reconnecting to the network? [21:57] no sir [21:57] godling: We check on connect for an irc client.. we test for known vulneralbilities and open proxies. [21:58] ther ewas a netsplit earlier that might be delayed on the proxy scans [21:58] I know that. but I connected way back there ^^ [21:58] godling: netsplit ftl [21:58] yeah [21:58] Action: nachox yawns at everyone [21:58] oh hey you're freenode staff [21:58] I did not know that [21:58] Action: godling throws a peanut in nachox's open mouth [21:58] 3 points! [21:59] that wasn't a peanut...X_X [21:59] yah [21:59] godling: its fairly "recent [22:00] Hmm, has anyone seen this movie "The enemy within" or something... any good ? [22:01] 1. iceage3 [22:01] 2. district9 [22:01] 3. mostersvs something [22:01] any good ? [22:02] daughter liked iceage3 [22:02] I hvaen't seen it yet [22:02] Action: hitest is heading in to work...be back later [22:02] monsters vs aliens I think would be good [22:02] district9.. never seen [22:02] I just saw District 9 [22:02] district 9 is good. [22:02] Me neither, ill check it out then.. its some scifi thing [22:02] but it helps if you know your south african history [22:02] c2500-c-l.123-26.bin [22:02] Netflix ftw [22:02] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:02] It's like alien apartheid [22:02] think that's what I'm looking for? [22:02] spook, i thought id put that in [22:03] Did you see where they are bringing V back to a television series? [22:03] yeah, it's going to suck [22:03] hehe [22:03] hrmm [22:03] Action: rworkman is married to a BSRN. [22:03] aww man, it requires a bunch of contact stuff [22:04] rworkman: you lucky guy. [22:04] spook: some days. Others not. :) [22:04] Blonde Slu... RN? [22:04] estevao (n=estevao@189.115.202.58) joined ##slackware. [22:04] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) joined ##slackware. [22:04] I was trying to make an addition to the BS portion that didn't.. sound bad... [22:04] rworkman: although i'm sure she appreciates being with a school teacher :P [22:04] Dominian: Bachelor of Science, Registered Nurse [22:04] see.. that's the "good" version [22:04] Action: Dominian was going "naughty" [22:04] rworkman: my mother was an LVN [22:04] V? [22:05] rworkman: all the RNs I met were evil or on their way to becoming so [22:05] oh god [22:05] rworkman: she comes home covered in blood and sometimes not at all i guess? [22:05] licensed vocational nurse [22:05] ah [22:05] Unless she's a nurse for an OBG-YN [22:05] ok.. I'm going to go smoek before I really get in trouble [22:05] spook: occasionally bloody. She's an operating room nurse [22:05] oh wow [22:05] that's wicked [22:06] Nothing that a little bleach won't handle - that's why the lab coats are white [22:06] I'd never have my shit together enough to marry someone like that. [22:06] RN's are mean...i deal with my fair share at work. [22:06] anyone in an ER needs to have their t's crossed and i's dotted all the time [22:06] MA's are worse. [22:07] http://rlworkman.net/about/ <-- a bit dated, but mostly correct [22:07] rworkman: arent the scrubs made out the cotton or whatever weave such that they are easy to clean/sterilise? [22:07] yeah [22:07] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-94-68.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:07] rworkman: aw, I don't know who's prettier in that picture. ;P [22:08] I don't worry too much about pathogen exposure. For the most part, exposure to more shit is *good* for the family's immune systems. [22:08] EYOLs (n=EYOLs@cpe-024-167-133-032.triad.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:08] needles are the scary part [22:08] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.12.249) joined ##slackware. [22:08] If we get exposed to something truly dangerous, there's not a whole lot we can do about it anyway. [22:08] as long as she doesn't stick herself.. yer fine I've found. [22:08] my mom has wokred a hospital for as long as I can remember.. we grew up just fine. [22:08] Dominian: correct. That's only happened once, and luckily it was pre-usage. [22:08] lol [22:08] Dominian: If you have half of a brain movement yould see you cant move all this money around at this pace forever. This is one reason we have a moon bank. But itll not get any better before some things change, in accordance to and with the following i take it: Arabs, Iranians, Muslims, Burkas, Democrats, Stalinists, Me-the idiotist. Church morons. Nazi-dontknow politics or how the world works. Environmentalists gone ou [22:08] t of bout and knows nothing -->(We want everyone to do nothing....) <-- how wise [22:08] EYOLs (n=EYOLs@cpe-024-167-133-032.triad.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:08] wow; this is a weird thread [22:08] bloody [22:09] Casandrax: wtf? [22:09] rworkman: troll [22:09] he's been at it [22:09] and finally they couldn't shut up [22:09] Casandrax: take it elsewhere. [22:09] Casandrax: Not sure what you refer to, but if you think you're going to drag me into a political discussion.. you are sadly mistaken. [22:09] anwayay [22:10] rworkman: my mom stuck herself once.. right after taking the blood of a patient that was possibly HIV positive [22:10] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.39.200) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:10] that was a crappy 12 months [22:10] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [22:10] my mom handled it well.. test after test for 12 months.. [22:10] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.39.200) joined ##slackware. [22:10] turns out the guy wasn't positive. [22:10] rworkman, Dominian: No, we take care of that for you. [22:10] ah, there are still leechers for the 13.0 iso [22:10] ewww. That sucks. Something similar happened to my aunt. [22:10] Action: thumbs seeds some more. [22:10] thumbs: hehe [22:11] thumbs: I keep forgetting you are in here :) [22:11] Action: XGizzmo_ stabs nachox [22:11] damn wireless [22:11] Dominian: right. [22:11] Dominian: I'm omnipresent. [22:11] thumbs: The ONLy time I see you talk is in the "other channel" [22:11] thumbs: hahaha [22:11] are you saying your ass is big, thumbs? [22:11] Dominian: what channel? [22:11] XGizzmo_: enjoyed the beer meet in Pigeon Forge :) [22:11] thumbs: I didn't repeat it in case you didn't want people know you were in it [22:11] rworkman: Me too. [22:11] thumbs: #postfix [22:12] rworkman: any good unusual brews? [22:12] Dominian: right. [22:12] Dominian: you should join #mysql [22:12] MLanden: unfortunately, no. We both had Newcastle [22:12] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [22:12] thumbs: no... I'd totally lose it in there [22:12] (but that's not a bad brew) [22:12] thumbs: I went in ther eone time for a simple query question.. I came out with like 25,000 different ways to do it.. [22:12] lol [22:12] rworkman: hows McKenna doing? [22:12] Dominian: next time ask me directly. [22:13] thumbs: ok [22:13] Dominian: great! Terrible Two's ftw! :D [22:13] ok brb smoke cig time [22:13] rworkman: Nottingham!, Nottingham! [22:13] rworkman: heheh it gets worse! [22:13] /msg chanserv quiet ##slackware Casandrax [22:13] oh damn [22:13] brb [22:13] Dominian: yeah, such is what I hear :) [22:14] https://www.insight.com/search/ppp.web?materialId=U7225VXR-M28EUG1 [22:14] WHAT!? [22:14] Dominian: that goes for any technical questions on any of the channels I'm in. [22:14] onyot (n=onyot@acl1-826bts.gw.smartbro.net) joined ##slackware. [22:14] Dominian: tsk tsk... subtle [22:14] 26 thousand bucks? [22:14] rworkman: no,not bad at all...just asking if there were any good summer brews [22:14] MLanden: I've got a few in my fridge though, including a Westmalle Trappist [22:14] I like the dark beers :) [22:14] rworkman: awesome [22:15] Soon it will be October...:D [22:15] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@c-68-53-104-133.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:15] what's special about october? [22:16] my birthday's in October! [22:16] oktoberfest? [22:16] I was born during that month! [22:16] oktoberfest is going on right now [22:17] Octoberfest MMMMM. [22:17] they get a head start in munchen, aye [22:17] MLanden: Youll feel like it was, back in noatime. I can feel you apprentice [22:17] rworkman: If you like dark beer, you'd probably like Michelob POrter [22:17] blackthorne (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) left irc: [22:17] headstart? it takes place in Munich, I think they get to set the dates :) [22:18] You know, October fest in Utah isn't as great as you think it would be. ;) [22:18] takes place in many paces but yeah, that's the birthplace...crazy folks... [22:18] Dominian: maybe. I'm not a big fan of Michelob in general - it's a bit "skunky" to me. [22:18] agentc0re: dunno, my expectations are pretty low :D [22:18] rworkman: Try the porter you might be surprised [22:19] rworkman: I really don't liek their beers normally but I can stand amber bock and porter [22:19] thrice`: lol. i went for my first time last year. Had been meaning to go for a long time. They didn't even bring in a lot of ourside importers... just all local brew, which is fine but i don't need to drive over an hour away to get it. [22:19] Dominian: I'll try it, but Amber Bock sucks ass (relative to something good like Shiner Bock) [22:20] rworkman: shiner bock is good [22:20] rworkman: give porter a try.. let me know what yout hink [22:20] blackthorne (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) joined ##slackware. [22:20] Has there or are there Slackware gatherings? If so, i'd totally prepare like 6 months out and brew several 5gal kegs worth of beer. :D [22:20] lol [22:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [22:20] agentc0re: wait for it... you just got rworkman's attention [22:20] Yo I"m trying to install Slackware on a netbook (no cd-rom drive) and all I have is a 1GB flash drive, so its not big enough for the whole Slackware image....any ideas?? [22:20] and if Alan_Hicks were around.. y ou'd be in trouble [22:20] Yep. Shiner Bock, Xingu, Sam Adams Black, Newcastle, and a few others have permanent spots on my drinking lists. :) [22:20] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:20] Enticing these are, very sharp. Very sharp. Keep one thing in mind though, You do not want to play dodgeball with the military (please dont) [22:21] Blue Moon ftw! [22:21] rworkman: not tried xingu [22:21] prune it down [22:21] estevao (n=estevao@189.115.202.58) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:21] Dominian: :D [22:21] godling: banki ? [22:21] if you drop emacs thats like half the slack dvd right there [22:21] mancha, prune it how? [22:21] rworkman: however, I'm a "cheap" drunk.. $6.47 cold .. $5.47 warm [22:21] I can drink Blue Moon, but I have to be in the mood, so to speak [22:21] EYOLs (n=EYOLs@cpe-024-167-133-032.triad.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:21] Action: thumbs wonders wtf Casandrax is on. [22:21] o_O [22:21] rworkman: eh blue moon is ok [22:21] godling: get over it you sizzie :)' [22:21] agentc0re: pretty much a linuxfest is about the place to catch several slackers in one place [22:21] thumbs: the rag? [22:21] in the mood = wearing an apron ? [22:21] thrice`: haha [22:21] EYOLs (n=EYOLs@cpe-024-167-133-032.triad.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:21] Casandrax: Quit talking to me. :P [22:22] Yahrn! [22:22] with fruit too, of course? :D [22:22] mancha, is there anyway to do a netboot and ftp the slackware tarball? [22:22] Unless Robby starts SlackCon [22:22] Maybe someday. [22:22] XGizzmo++ [22:22] ticket price is a pony keg [22:22] I think rworkman wears a tu-tu [22:22] nice [22:23] main dev wears a tutu? ima switch distribs, this is unacceptable [22:23] godling: We will proceed to remove your talkatives then [22:23] hehe [22:23] mancha: I think they call it a "kilt" in Scotland [22:23] Action: mancha starts his fuckbuntu torrent [22:23] Action: Dominian ducks [22:23] I can make 3 batches (5gal) of beer ever 30-40 days.(40days it would be drinkable from keg) [22:24] I'm going to get a second stomach installed so I can brew beer in my belly [22:24] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.231.5) joined ##slackware. [22:24] I would say that my stouts have been my best beers so far... so you'd be in luck robby. [22:24] Pekhas Icanoo speakadooo latoo [22:24] who? [22:25] agentc0re: ooh, yay! [22:25] I forgot Guiness on my list earlier. [22:25] hehe stout [22:25] timtim yay, speakaboo [22:25] naboo [22:25] agentc0re can make a keg in 25 days, twolf can make a key in 30 days, how long does it takem to make a keg together? [22:25] rworkman: I was going to say.. any list without Guiness.. must be gay [22:25] Definitely [22:25] I think i'll try doing a pilsner next time i brew. [22:25] We fixadoo [22:25] mancha: it's a waiting game really. [22:26] "how long can you wait to get drunk?" [22:26] rworkman: anyway the porter says on the label: brewed using dark chocolate and roasted cofeee malts [22:26] rworkman: that's what caught my eye about it [22:26] mancha: some decide to bottle/keg sooner than others. Some beers just need to sit longer. [22:26] Dominian: hrm, that *does* sound drinkable. Similar to Xingu, in fact [22:26] anyone? is there an easy way to netboot and install slackware with only a 1GB thumb drive? [22:26] rworkman: wait, you were a Sheriff's deputy? [22:26] godling: long ago, yes [22:26] rworkman: no offense, but you sort of look cop-ish in your photo [22:26] ponch? [22:26] :) [22:27] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:27] rworkman: precisely [22:27] godling: yeah, I still do, for the most part. [22:27] rworkman: nd its "cheap" hehe [22:27] that sucks [22:27] :) [22:27] rworkman is a cop! [22:27] +? [22:27] I'm allergic to law enforcement officers. :P [22:27] Action: Dominian hides his "stash" [22:27] dissociative_ (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-138-158.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [22:27] godling: I understand. No offense taken from me. [22:27] :( Anyone? [22:27] Dominian: it's just a stash of usb thumb drives... geez. [22:28] agentc0re: that's what YOU think [22:28] lol [22:28] Action: mancha notices a keylogger that flags "pot" "marijuana" and "warez" in rworkman's Xorg packages [22:28] Cryp71c: I missed the question.. [22:28] mancha: looking for good leads. ;-) [22:28] Cryp71c: check here: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:usbboot [22:29] mancha: you forgot "terrorist", "al qaeda", and "donuts" [22:29] :O [22:29] no, but thanks. now you've got ##slackware under suveillance [22:29] Dominian, installing slackware on a netbook with only a 1gb thumb drive. [22:29] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:29] oh [22:29] good luck? [22:29] :) [22:29] Action: Dominian has never attempted that [22:29] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.12.249) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:30] Cryp71c: i didn't follow that or have ever read it but i can tell you how i did it. [22:30] it can be done, how big is puppy or dsl? [22:30] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:30] Dominian: Tvae hundraat und 52 kloos. Macht preize nun- [22:31] agentc0re, is usb-install supported on 13? [22:31] I like how rworkman has to put "(for my wife)" next to his assertion that he runs Windows XP at home [22:31] Cryp71c: the only thing is, i made a bootable usb drive with a windows tool. so it might not be that helpful to you. [22:31] ;P [22:31] /ignore is such a wonderful tool [22:31] you have to love that, yes [22:31] agentc0re, what tool? [22:31] agent, hd emulation? [22:31] Dominian: it can be, but i've learned to enjoy some of the antics that go on. can be very entertaining. :D [22:32] agentc0re: can be, but until you do what I do now for freenode.. antics get old very quickly [22:32] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [22:32] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [22:32] ##slackware: mode change '+b %Casandrax!*@*' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [22:32] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [22:32] rworkman: thanks [22:32] \o/ alrighy,now \o/ [22:32] Cryp71c: check out gparted's website and look at the usb install. the first option is what i used to install the ISO to USB to install from a USB drive. [22:33] woohoo! [22:33] I missed what happened. [22:33] Action: godling humps rworkman's leg [22:33] but I see a nice +q in place [22:33] I afforded "benefit of the doubt" long enough. [22:33] rworkman: PM? [22:33] sure [22:33] agent, so the comp thinks the usb drive is what? hd or cd? [22:33] agentc0re, I have a prog which writes an iso to a usb, making it perfectly bootable: Unetbootin [22:33] rworkman: cool dogs! [22:33] Dominian: What is it that you do "DO" specifically? [22:33] I sit here and watch for troublemakers like you [22:34] :) [22:34] can any of you reach http://www.linux-magazine.com ? [22:34] the issue is doing this with Slackware 13 [22:34] macavity: yes sir [22:34] macavity, you might enjoy putting this in your bookmarks: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ [22:34] Cryp71c: okay... [22:34] <|Slacker|> Cryp71c, what do ya wanna do? [22:35] Cryp71c: what is the issue? [22:35] agentc0re, the thumb drive is only 1gb [22:35] Not big enough for the full image. [22:35] macavity: it's not responding to pings from me [22:35] Cryp71c: have you not looked at the link to alienBOB's wiki I gave you on this? [22:35] Cryptic thumb drives are like what, a whopping $5 for 8Gig? [22:36] it times out here.. [22:36] mancha: surely you jest [22:36] maybe a bit and don't call me shirley [22:36] probably some dingdong dug up a cable and desided it want important [22:36] chopp, yeah, I've read through it. Its specific to 12 though. [22:37] <|Slacker|> Cryp71c, do it with a cd image instead [22:37] Cryp71c: you may have mentioned that earlier(i didn't see it)... but please, please specify that kind of shit in the beginning.. [22:37] <|Slacker|> it's pretty simple [22:37] Cryp71c: it works for 13.0 just fine [22:37] he doesn't have a CDrom [22:37] it's a netbook [22:37] agentc0re, .I've reiterrated it 8 times.. [22:37] <|Slacker|> yeah I know...but use the cd image instead of ther dvd [22:37] (that its a 1gb thumb) [22:38] <|Slacker|> I did it with my netbook using a cd image and unetbootin [22:38] |Slacker|, you can successfully install from a single disk? [22:38] <|Slacker|> Cryp71c, yep [22:38] weee.. only took like 5 timeouts before it desided that i wasnt just a packet faggot trying to annoy their webserver :P [22:38] Cryp71c: my bad, you said it to Dominian... sorry i missed it. [22:39] What does the bios recognize the usb-flash drive with teh unetbootin image as? a cd? [22:39] <|Slacker|> mancha, guess so [22:39] eh [22:39] Action: Dominian has his beer googles on right now.. stop messin' with me [22:39] mancha, no..the BIOS have to be able to boot to USB [22:39] mancha, unet just properly formats and sets the partition table for bootable [22:40] <|Slacker|> yeah [22:40] netbook should be able to boot from USB no? [22:40] oh ok, so it is a hd with partitions nothing like an iso [22:40] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@20150135042.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [22:40] Dominian, depends, hopefully mine can [22:40] well, I would think so. [22:41] Cryp71c: which one? and most likely yes. [22:41] the bios should tell you [22:41] mancha, correct. [22:41] agentc0re, first gen HP mini 1000 [22:41] those are recent enugh i expect for the bios to handle usb boots [22:42] well that's not his problem though... he needs to find away to hold the entire contents somewhere to install. [22:42] <|Slacker|> see... [22:42] Cryp71c: chopp gave you that link earlier right? what is not working i guess? [22:43] <|Slacker|> I installed from a unetbootin created thumb drive [22:43] maybe a disk partition in the back of the harddrive? [22:43] <|Slacker|> I copied the folders from the other cd into the thumb drive [22:43] agentc0re, it was specific to 12..and as it turns out I'm going to try using the first disk image. [22:43] Slacker indicated that that's easily done. [22:44] <|Slacker|> booted it and then mounted the thumb, then when slackware asked me for the install source I just selected "mounted partition" and voilą [22:44] damn it.. this fruit fly needs to land where I cn smash it [22:45] Dominian: what if it lands on your crotch? [22:46] I guess I'm using ice for a while [22:46] haha [22:46] my pain will go away.. this fly is damn annoying [22:46] dissociative_ (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-138-158.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:47] dissociative_ (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-158-156.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [22:47] lol: http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/How-GNOME-and-KDE-spend-their-money [22:47] Dominian: why don't you get a piece of fruit and take a bite out of it. soak it in gas or something flammable, except where your bite is. set it where it's flying around and when it lands, lite the fruit on fire. [22:47] haha [22:48] "But these conclusions do show how your impressions can change when you get to the bottom line. KDE, from what I can see, is not the underdog that many imagine. " [22:48] who on *earth* ever imagined that KDE was an underdog? [22:48] with KDE4 they kind of were [22:48] superchicken [22:48] KDE3 was proven to be stable and very well liked [22:48] KDE4 changed the complete look,feel, and in some cases, operation of the DE [22:49] yes.. and the more i use it, the more i agree [22:49] i still prefer kde-3.x [22:49] kde3 lasted as long as XP [22:49] .. too long [22:50] imagine kde 10? [22:50] people tend to marry the UI and forget what it is like to figure out how things work once in a while [22:50] i have a script that nukes any kde version for any hw i own [22:50] like a little malware checker of sorts [22:50] lol [22:50] lol [22:50] kde95 [22:50] kdeme [22:51] Fatalnix: there will be no kde 10 because of 2012. [22:51] if not for the wife & kids i would do all my slackware installs without x or anything that requires x, use only console based apps [22:51] :P [22:52] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:52] /s/or/and [22:53] RipVanWinkle: well if there were no X, where would you get your internet porn? NO WHERE! that's right, and you know you couldn't live without it now. [22:54] links can show graphics in framebuffer mode, same with mplayer [22:54] agentc0re: He'd use ascii and utf. :P [22:54] agentc0re 2012 is only thought of because thats when the foruma which makes a particular type of calendar ends [22:54] including porno graphics ;) [22:54] foureyes779 (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [22:55] Fatalnix: And the earth is in the Galactic plane!!! Geez man, the man already has you. Make your tinfoil hat now!! [22:55] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-135-145.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:56] yo,is it a f'in full moon? [22:56] and do you know why? [22:56] heh [22:56] the formula follows the suns path [22:56] MLanden: ;) [22:56] The Moon is Waxing Crescent (21% of Full) [22:56] now that there's funny !! [22:56] Ya, i'm waxing my crescent....moon. :P [22:56] X_X [22:56] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@c-68-53-104-133.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:56] that's what she said [22:56] lol [22:57] Action: agentc0re high fives fire|bird [22:57] way to back me up bro! :D [22:57] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:57] :) [22:57] agentc0re: How many coats of wax? [22:57] 2012 marks the year when the sun's crossing point of the galactic equator [22:57] hahaha [22:58] and the path of the sun, it has nothing to do with doomsday. [22:58] hey look, it's toastytoast... someone was saying something about him earlier and a harddisk with m0n0wall.. [22:58] 2012 is when quetzalquatal comes and destroys the world [22:58] .... [22:58] RipVanWinkle: cut that shit out right now. [22:58] the feathered serpant of the mayan myth [22:59] Anjo_Malvado (i=1000@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [22:59] its all mythological bullsh!t just like all the other gods & religions [22:59] well [22:59] the 2012 calendar thing is actually real [22:59] Fatalnix: how's that simulation program coming along? [22:59] its when their calendar resets [23:00] I'm still trying to figure it out [23:00] just something to control and manipulate the populace and to scare little children and old ladies [23:00] it runs without an IOS image [23:00] Fatalnix: not resets, moves from the 12 cycle to the start of the 13th [23:00] RipVanWinkle: Have you read, http://timecube.com yet? [23:00] yeah, about 2 paragraphs, just enough to figure out the old guy is a crackpot [23:00] so you're saying they mapped out 13 times when the suns path cross the galatic equator line with the soltace sun? [23:01] at the given point [23:01] 11:11 am [23:01] weird. [23:01] 2012 isnt really signif at all in God's plans; its about 60 years too soon. [23:01] Fatalnix: no, i'm saying their calendar doesnt just end at the end of the 12th 'cycle' (i cant remember the name for the unit) [23:01] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:01] fire|bird: so how do you like midori ? [23:02] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-135-145.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:02] I'm ready [23:02] let's go [23:02] [ in bed ] [23:02] agentc0re: It's excellent, I really like it. [23:02] i tend to believe the theories of evolution, humans just evolved from a common ancestor as the great apes, humans = very clever apes [23:02] agentc0re: What's your thoughts about it? [23:02] RipVanWinkle that's not the approved evo. line [23:02] its finally below 70 degrees here [23:03] if course it doesnt end [23:03] of* [23:03] "very clever" [23:03] ymmv [23:03] thats ok because i aprove of it for my belief [23:03] heh [23:03] RipVanWinkle so you're a descendent of rocks? [23:03] and pond slime? [23:04] and stars [23:04] don't forget stars [23:04] probably the rocks that soaked in the primordial soup that contained the amino acids that developed in to life [23:04] Quiznos: you should talk, your a descendent of a Sandwich. :D [23:04] heh [23:04] Quiznos, I prefer primordial soup [23:04] a god-inspired sammich [23:04] you wish [23:04] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] i am a Man; created a spirit, living in a body made from mud (hence the name Adam) and i have a soul. [23:05] and so are you all. [23:05] :D [23:06] whether you recognise it or not; whether you accept it or not; you are spirit in a body with a soul. [23:06] I wonder why movies always made crop cricles easy [23:06] I mena [23:06] and none of you can change it. [23:06] made crop circles so perfect* [23:06] they do exist. [23:06] they're just not.. like that lol [23:06] demons control the air; that's why people see things flying about. [23:06] I just realized that my monitor, keyboard and mouse were all about 8 inches off center line of the desk [23:07] the lights, strange angular vectors, speed [23:07] crop circles are cuased by some deformation of the growth usualy [23:07] time to put the bong down [23:07] and usualy arent circles. [23:07] man is good but we cannot overcome certain physicality. [23:07] y0 twolf [23:08] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:08] hey fire|bird [23:08] see, i proved my point, humans are such clever apes that they can convince themselfs and others that there is a god & spiritual world, thats a mighty fine delusion you got there, its been going on since the advent of civilization and writing [23:09] RipVanWinkle what a man writes of others, he first writes of himself. that's your confession, not mine. [23:09] fire|bird: been having issues with it.. not sure if i like certain "features" it offers. I do like that it doesn't have such a great impact on my CPU usage as FF does/did. [23:10] truth is self-evident and to ignore the truth as displayed in nature is to ignore the siginificance of your eyes and ears and other senses. [23:10] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) left irc: "Leaving" [23:10] agentc0re: What issues have you been having? and what features don't you like (or possibly not like) [23:10] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:12] neonflux (n=mrjones@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:12] fire|bird: well it started when he was still young .. and .... ;) [23:12] hahahaha [23:13] ugh [23:13] religion [23:13] BP{k}: He hasn't responded yet, me must be telling the whole story to pastebin. :P [23:13] s/me/he/ [23:14] Urchlay that's not what this thread is about [23:14] no, no pastebin. [23:14] dissociative_ (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-158-156.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:14] Hey polyalphabetic|aloneness [23:14] er, Urchlay [23:15] hey bowing|sincerely [23:15] dissociative_ (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-201-115.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [23:15] haha [23:15] zomg the williams sisters (tennis) bought into partnership on the Phila. Eagles!!! [23:15] fire|bird: well i keep several tabs open and scrolling through all of them is a pain because instead of just scrolling the tab bar, i have to go through each page i have open. [23:16] fire|bird: right now, gxine opened up to play a file that was streaming and when i closed the tab, the browser crashes. [23:16] jaher (n=n@24-205-186-242.dhcp.azus.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:16] agentc0re: yikes, that's not good. [23:17] fire|bird: i've also noticed that if i close it then reopen midori that it doesn't keep the same tab order that i had before. [23:18] good night peeps [23:18] gn [23:18] night macavity [23:18] EYOLs (n=EYOLs@cpe-024-167-133-032.triad.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:18] Action: macavity yawns loudly [23:18] no more fscking around with go-oo tonight [23:18] agentc0re: With scrolling the tab bar, you mean moving the mouse over it and using the scroll wheel, right? [23:18] but at least i got a lot closer [23:18] macavity: haha, you did get a little further with it though [23:18] EYOLs (n=EYOLs@cpe-024-167-133-032.triad.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:18] fire|bird: not just a little [23:19] fire|bird: correct. [23:19] s/a little/alot/ [23:19] fire|bird: now i understand the build system, and i may eventually be able to actually yank the crap out hat we dont need [23:19] Action: macavity over and out [23:19] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [23:19] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:20] agentc0re: Hmm, that works for me. [23:20] damn, compositing is s e x y [23:20] and when I close and reopen the tabs are right [23:21] agentc0re: You're using 0.1.10, right? [23:21] fire|bird: it scrolls for me, but i have to see each page as i scroll through the tabs Versus just having that tab toolbar move from one end to the other. [23:22] yeah, that's what it does here, I scroll and it changes the active tab and shows that tab (that page) [23:22] on what,agentc0re? [23:22] MLanden: midori [23:22] Billtoo_ (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016729.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [23:23] MLanden: midori. [23:23] fire|bird: Midori 0.1.10-a158ac4 [23:24] Ah, a git version, I was unable to get git, so I just got the latest stable. It could be that one has bugs or something, I really don't know beings I don't experience those things here. [23:24] could be just some of the glitches that have come with either from webkit ot with midori 0.1.10 [23:24] Could give arora a try. That's another ligthweight, webkit based browser. [23:24] s/ot/or [23:24] agentc0re: Are you using webkit from SBo? [23:24] laters, sleepytime [23:24] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [23:25] fire|bird: I am use to FF's way where instead of scrolling through each tab that it moves the position of the tab bar (IE if other tabs aren't being shown) and then you click on the one you are wanting to see. I don't want to see every tab i have open before i get to the one i DO want to view. [23:25] fire|bird: yup. [23:25] firedix_ (n=firedix@host42.201-252-176.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [23:25] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] arora... on SBo? [23:25] agentc0re: yes, for 12.2, but that build still works, just go grab the latest stable of it. [23:26] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "there are time i would love to taze stupid people. other times i do" [23:26] Ah, ok, now I see what you mean with tab behavior. [23:27] can really weight it down [23:32] neonflux (n=mrjones@98.97.244.102) joined ##slackware. [23:34] dissociative_ (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-201-115.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:35] agentc0re: heh, don't try using opera, that doesn't do any type of tab bar scrolling. :P [23:35] fire|bird: opera was giving me a whole set of "features" i didn't like. [23:35] haha [23:35] agentc0re: What about seamonkey? :P [23:35] lol [23:35] dissociative_ (n=dissocia@190.71.43.221) joined ##slackware. [23:36] maybe i'll just use konqueror [23:36] lol [23:37] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:37] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:37] didn't someone in here build chrome for linux? [23:38] agentc0re: I think someone was going to try to build it, yeah. [23:38] agentc0re: I had been thinking of trying to build it here. A new version of the linux version just came out, suppose to have better features, etc. [23:38] agentc0re: Could install gnome and use epiphany. :P [23:39] firefox ftw [23:39] fire|bird: where is the linux version listed? i couldn't find it, but also didn't look to hard. [23:39] pizdets (n=pizdets@96.250.220.91) joined ##slackware. [23:39] dissociative_ (n=dissocia@190.71.43.221) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:39] linux source is like 350 megs isn't it? [23:40] to Chrome [23:40] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@96.250.220.91) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [23:40] isn't chrome in pending as SBo? [23:40] remember: it's not a browser, it's an app engine [23:41] now IE has a chrome plugin thingie [23:41] eviljames: There's a distro out now, opensuse based iirc, based around chrome. [23:41] eviljames: so long as it has the 4x24 time zones within the timecube, i am set. [23:41] s/based/designed [23:41] Google making a GoogleOS [23:41] fire|bird: sorta like gOS,right? [23:41] MLanden: I think so, yeah [23:41] the linux version is chromium [23:41] the windows version is chrome [23:41] agentc0re: http://dev.chromium.org/getting-involved [23:42] googleos? as in... android? [23:42] it isn't a mobile OS [23:42] netbook i think it'll be at first [23:43] so many projects....hard to know which one is which [23:43] *shrug* if I had some $400B to toss around I'd have piles and piles of projects too [23:44] MS should make a linux distro! [23:44] and not MS Linux :P [23:44] Isn't that kernel 2.6.31? [23:44] Action: eviljames ducks & runs [23:44] superGear: Oh yeah, Linux Explorer [23:45] kernel is bloated? [23:45] eviljames: even Linus says the kernel is huge and bloated now. :P [23:45] how can it be bloated if you build it yourself [23:45] it'll be your fault if it is bloated! [23:46] maybe too many things the kernel is trying to support [23:46] onyot (n=onyot@acl1-826bts.gw.smartbro.net) left irc: [23:46] go back and remove support for things people rarely use [23:46] agentc0re: http://ifeelalittlestupid.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/using-the-chromium-linux-beta-build-on-slackware-12-2/ [23:46] are you saying some of that stuff can move out of the kernel and into userland? I always thought they were pretty good about keeping the kernel trim (relatively speaking) [23:49] foureyes779 (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.17/2009062414]" [23:49] Anjo_Malvado (i=1000@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "Saindo" [23:51] eviljames: theres more stuff being added than taken out [23:52] fire|bird: gah, the arora wont build for me. complains it can't find qmake-qt4... all of 13 is installed and i bet i need to pass some other options in the ./configure. [23:52] agentc0re: just change qmake-qt4 to qmake. ;) [23:53] fire|bird: well it's the ./configure that's failing. a symlink could fix it or an option i can pass. i'm looking at it now. [23:54] dissociative_ (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-222-155.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [23:54] agentc0re: ok, I'm just saying what I did to fix that. :) [23:55] fire|bird: you made the symlink? [23:55] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:56] agentc0re: No, I just changed the slackbuild from qmake-qt4 to qmake [23:57] :D [23:57] Action: agentc0re kicks self [23:57] i need another beer. [23:57] haha [23:59] you could use the ubuntu .deb with a wrapper script.theres source versions in arch's AUR but binary .debs with pkgbuilds for example how [23:59] meant has both src,binary [23:59] Rat409: for chromium you mean? [00:00] --- Wed Sep 23 2009