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[01:37] not much, cloning a customers computer [01:38] timahvo1_ (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:39] mrcarrot, awesome! [01:40] timahvo1_ (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Client Quit [01:43] mrcarrot, have your own business? [01:43] juice (1000@67.48.16.165) joined ##slackware. [01:44] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:44] viriatus (~viriatus@189.107.10.61) joined ##slackware. [01:48] AndChat| (~AndChat@adsl-240-140-219.msy.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:48] Urugami (~AndChat@adsl-240-140-219.msy.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:49] no, i am working for a local company.... most of the time fixing customers computers [01:50] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:51] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:53] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. 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[04:09] ferdna (~yup@cpe-24-92-114-97.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [04:14] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: _marc` [04:14] yht (~yht@118.96.121.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:18] viriatus (~viriatus@189.107.10.61) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [04:20] mrcarrot (lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) left ##slackware. [04:20] nagios criticals at 3am make phrag sad [04:21] poor phrag :( [04:21] in 1,5 weeks my on-call bullshit starts again for 2 weeks [04:21] phrag: know how you feel :P [04:22] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:24] toothkit (~betch2k@66.87.2.13) joined ##slackware. [04:25] Nick change: bitlord_ -> bitlord [04:26] yht (~yht@118.96.121.225) joined ##slackware. [04:27] how do i find out what config option creates a particular modules. e.g. snd-als4000 is created, but when i grep -ri als4000 * the source , nothing shows up.. any hints? [04:29] unless is alsa drivers an add-on for the 2.4 kernel?? i didn't think so..? [04:29] kernel source that is [04:29] you may have luck with modinfo [04:31] no.. just tells me the author description, license, and parameters :( [04:33] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:34] i thought i had a pretty good handle on the kernel..(esp 2.4) this makes me feel like a dumb noob [04:39] surrounder: =) [04:43] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-434822.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:44] ashe (~ashe@180.245.134.193) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:46] ashe (~ashe@125.163.4.206) joined ##slackware. [04:46] rafu (~rafu@127-226-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [04:47] |Slacker| (~cris@187.112.111.135) left irc: Read error: No route to host [04:47] toothkit: 2.4 kernel? Slackware used to ship a separate alsa-driver package containing the alsa kernel modules. Alsa was not configured in the kernels [04:49] I don't know for sure if the als4000 was alsa or not, but if so, then that makes sense... thanks [04:50] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:54] nille_ (1000@m90-137-214-186.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [04:56] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:57] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:58] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [05:01] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [05:01] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [05:01] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Changing host [05:01] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [05:02] pops (crunch@host-24-100-49-165.newwavecomm.net) joined ##slackware. [05:05] alienBOB: are you saying all the 2.4 kernels are missing alsa drivers? [05:06] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [05:06] yht (~yht@118.96.121.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:07] yht (~yht@118.96.121.225) joined ##slackware. [05:08] toothkit: I am saying the Slackware 2.4 kernel packages were compiled without ALSA drivers. These drivers were compiled separately, and offered as "alsa-driver" package in the "a" series [05:08] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:08] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [05:10] alienBOB: so then there is a kernel.org 2.4 kernel version that comes with alsa included ? [05:11] Lalloso (8a843664@gateway/web/freenode/ip.138.132.54.100) left ##slackware. [05:11] toothkit: I think there were no ALSA drivers in those early kernels (only OSS) [05:12] alientBOB: To reitterate. Slack 10.2 has snd-als4000 module. Yet, no where in that dists .config or kernel source do I see anything related to als4000. So I am assuming the snd-als4000 came from a alsa package? Correct? [05:15] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [05:16] atof (~jason@58.69.54.112) joined ##slackware. [05:16] als4000 is a card model type, not related to alsa [05:16] I believe [05:18] toothkit: "grep snd-als /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.dep [05:18] " [05:18] root@test:/lib/modules/2.4.31# find . -print | grep -i als4000 [05:18] ./kernel/sound/pci/snd-als4000.o.gz [05:19] some other package must of put it there , is what must of been. [05:20] not necessarily - not all source files compile to the same named module file [05:20] pops (crunch@host-24-100-49-165.newwavecomm.net) left irc: [05:21] IOW - there could be a source tree that when compiled, the module filename doesn't really match any source filename/directory [05:21] gotcha. 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[05:59] KaMii: ^^^^ [06:04] Nick change: yht -> yht-GoHome [06:11] |Slacker| (~cris@200.146.78.239.static.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:12] toothkit: there was a kernel update for Slackware64 13.1 and -current last night (64-bit kernels were vulnerable to a local-root exploit) [06:14] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D4D9A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:15] is this going to be trend for 64 bit.. i read last week about a 64bit root kit [06:15] It is the same issue [06:19] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [06:20] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:20] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:26] madbear (~dude@c-bc2de655.09-14-6b73641.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:26] feinom (feinom@feinom.forcebox.org) left irc: Quit: byebye [06:28] pete` (~user@032.a.007.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined ##slackware. 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[06:50] phrag: see the changelog [06:50] hello alienBOB & phrag [06:51] Topic changed on ##slackware by alienBOB!alien@about/slackware/alienBOB: Channel Guidelines: http://is.gd/bYfOG | Logs: http://is.gd/bYfRK | Stats: http://phra.gs:8000/ | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://gallery.slackadelic.com | http://slackware.com/getslack | Torrent: http://is.gd/bYfM0 | Slackware 13.1 Released | Security: mozilla*, samba, sudo, bzip2, kernel (x86_64). [06:51] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [06:51] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [06:52] guaxinim (~guax@200-193-98-138.fnsce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:52] guaxinim (~guax@200-193-98-138.fnsce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Changing host [06:52] guaxinim (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [06:54] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:57] ugh why is it so hard to find a good bandwidth monitor [06:59] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [06:59] FrankD, one just got added to SBo, check it out [07:00] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [07:00] kickback (~Unknown@122.176.219.9) joined ##slackware. [07:01] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:01] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:02] slava_dp, check how? [07:02] i dont really use SBo stuff, download the occasional build script from slackbuilds [07:02] http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=bandwidth&sv=13.1 [07:02] the latest addition is bwm-ng [07:05] slava_dp, ahh, i was looking for something as a webapp [07:05] ie web accessible with realtime SVG output, like the dd-wrt one [07:05] guaxinim (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:10] cpuobsessed (~cpuobsess@adsl-074-183-121-238.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [07:11] kickback (~Unknown@122.176.219.9) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [07:11] M3no1ti0s (~M3no1ti0s@212.183.140.52) joined ##slackware. [07:11] M3no1ti0s (M3no1ti0s@212.183.140.52) left ##slackware. [07:11] Nick change: AndChat| -> Urugami [07:12] fallertsen (~Franz@host227-38-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Konversation terminated! [07:13] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF2AF6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:15] logia_th (~nmo@81.34.121.77) joined ##slackware. [07:16] Action: logia_th good day slackers :) [07:18] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF2AF6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [07:18] Can coexist firefox 3 and firefox 4? Any know bugs or problems in firefox 4b testing package? [07:21] in windows 4beta can be installed in userdir [07:21] so i guess so in linux too. [07:22] normally i am not caring so much about a new release of firefox... but because of webm i am waiting for firefox [07:22] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [07:22] then hopefully i will slowly get more content without flash [07:24] In slackware, of course !! I talk about the package in testing. [07:24] thanks [07:24] hopefully the openbsd guys will also port it fast after it is released as i am also an openbsd user [07:24] Onyxyte (~Onyxyte@r75-110-112-109.rmntcmtc02.rcmtnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:25] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:25] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:25] rodrigo_golive (c8116f03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.17.111.3) joined ##slackware. [07:29] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:29] ridout (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [07:32] ashe (~ashe@125.163.4.206) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:34] ashe (~ashe@125.163.38.32) joined ##slackware. [07:36] toothkit (~betch2k@66.87.2.13) left irc: Quit: Don't worry, I'll be back [07:37] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [07:38] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [07:41] archceza1 (1000@acsp12.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:42] I have a frozen konqueror window from X11 forwarded that won't close.. clicking x or right click -> close won't do it and I don't see it in ps.. how can I kill it? [07:43] ctrl-alt escape [07:43] archcezar (1000@aes52.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:43] raela: xkill [07:44] it's point & kill interface [07:44] ananke: stubborn thing is still there [07:44] pupiteee: yours didn't do anything [07:44] raela: login to the machine and just kill it from the cli ? [07:45] ps ax |grep konqueror [07:45] surrounder: no, it crashed on that machine [07:45] kill [07:45] kill -9 [07:46] mrcarrot: nope, nothing [07:46] raela: ctrl+alt+backspace -> relogin? :P [07:46] surrounder: oh, that's supposed to kill x? glad it didn't work [07:47] Is a good idea the use of pstree or htop.... and all logs, network conections etc.... in the desktop [07:47] yeah it's not in htop [07:47] or ps [07:47] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [07:47] of course [07:47] raela, you made this problem up, didnt you? :) [07:48] pupiteee: would you like a screenshot of the damn thing? [07:48] i would do [07:48] strange xkill doesn't work [07:48] cr4ck` (~unknown@189.72.186.109) joined ##slackware. [07:48] no touchy touchy [07:49] heh, im finally in a good mood [07:49] it takes up the look of everything around it.. I wonder if gimp will grab the window [07:49] estranho (~estranho@mvx-200-201-182-130.mundivox.com) joined ##slackware. [07:49] estranho (~estranho@mvx-200-201-182-130.mundivox.com) left irc: Changing host [07:49] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [07:49] -all This option indicates that all clients with top-level windows on the screen should be killed. [07:49] Xkill will ask you to select the root window with each of the currently defined buttons to give [07:49] you several chances to abort. Use of this option is highly discouraged. [07:49] yup it will [07:49] cr4ck (~unknown@187.54.214.239) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [07:50] raela: killall konqueror? [07:50] there is no konqeuror process. it crashed [07:50] nille_ (1000@m90-137-214-186.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:50] pupiteee: http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/4416/deadkonquerorwindow.png [07:51] as you can tell, the window is a mess [07:51] raela: why not just kill X and start over? seems like the quickest solution [07:52] surrounder: no! do you know how long it takes for me to get windows how I like them? [07:52] I might just minimize it and hopefully forget about it [07:52] ahh, the horror. those colors [07:52] I like a dark wallpaper ;/ [07:52] ananke: totally [07:52] and transparent terms.. [07:53] raela: lol. [07:53] yeah. the pseudo transparency is annoying [07:53] oh nevermind.. it can't minimize, either [07:53] meh, just tabbed it behind another window. I assume it's some odd x glitch [07:53] sdi (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/sdi) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:54] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:54] it's god's way of saying 'i can't take those colors and transparencies anymore' [07:54] sdi (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/sdi) joined ##slackware. [07:55] Action: mrcarrot is never using any transparency... [07:55] haha [07:55] most stuff doesn't crash like that! [07:55] good old windowmaker and xterm for me [07:55] f'ing konqueror [07:56] f'ing $randombrowser [07:56] but, last I tried, firefox didn't work properly over ssh, and I needed a gui browser [07:56] they all suck [07:56] raela: why not use a local browser or use a textbased one remote? not an option ? [07:56] raela: considering there is no konqueror, then it's not konqueror's fault [07:57] surrounder: school's network has better pubmed access.. also, I had to upload ~1.3G files using an uploader that wouldn't work with links or lynx [07:57] ananke: I'm annoyed at it for crashing in the first place [07:57] use 'ssh -D 10000 username@host' [07:57] then you use localhost:10000 as proxy [07:57] raela: yep. ssh tunneling [07:58] then you go to about:config and change dns to be used on the proxy side [07:58] then you surf privatly [07:58] or use nx if you really want to use the browser on the remote end. it would be so much more responsive [07:59] you use it as a socks proxy [07:59] well, that helps for pubmed, but not uploading the file [07:59] ananke: what is nx? [07:59] mrcarrot: http://freenx.berlios.de/ [08:00] freenx sucks. there's neatx if you want better one. [or even the commercial one, with 2 user limit] [08:00] raela: uploading 1.3 GB via a webinterface sounds meh anyhow [08:00] mrcarrot: something similar to RDP: optimized X11 tunneling. [08:00] ananke: cool. didn't know about neatx [08:00] raela: nx [08:00] okay, thanks [08:00] surrounder: I wasn't given any other way to do it [08:01] oh neat [08:01] as to pubmed access, i'd assume your .edu has vpn [08:01] raela: kick those who are in charge of that in the teeth [08:01] they have a proxy through the library, but it doesn't work as well as being on the network [08:02] it does findit!cornell instead of direct links to journals.. and findit! barely ever works [08:02] sometimes it brings up a wrong paper, sometimes it says nothing can be found [08:02] surrounder: nah.. I'm grateful he gave me the space. I was hosting it off my own computer [08:02] raela: when i said vpn, i meant vpn. not some proxy :) [08:02] which is against my isp's tos [08:03] my school told me no http servers :( [08:03] ananke: ah, well.. maybe. I could email IT, but I don't like them [08:04] IT'ers suck, all of them! [08:04] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [08:05] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:05] you'd figure that vpn information would be published [08:05] Action: mrcarrot is working sort of as an IT person in a school [08:05] the company i am working for is taking care of some schools [08:06] mrcarrot: did my internship at my old highschool, that was a lot of fun [08:06] the schools i am taking care of are running linux and ltsp [08:06] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:06] nowhere that I've ran across or heard of, ananke. I could search and see what pops up [08:06] and it really sucks that there is no good ltsp distro [08:06] all of them are crap [08:06] let's not compare high school IT support with higher ed :) [08:06] mrcarrot: opensuse kiwi+ltsp [08:07] tried it... it had also its problem [08:07] i am hoping redhat 6 will be good and have ltsp... [08:07] ltsp is the biggest thing i am missing in slackware [08:07] what kind of problems? [not like we need to go in detail] [08:07] ananke: heh. not doing that at all, it was fun to annoy the students though, dameware and ISA Server make a great combo to annoy students who are playing flashgames which they're not allowed to by school policy [08:08] problem with graphic card drivers etc [08:08] bofh++ [08:08] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [08:08] mrcarrot: did you try it with 11.3 and the new xorg? [08:08] if slackware would have a good implementation of ltsp i would get several schools to switch.. [08:09] ananke: i do not remember wich version it was [08:09] it was about one year ago when i tested it [08:09] ananke: Non-campus resources will see the IP address of whatever ISP you are using. As a result, use of VPN will not help when trying to log in to non-Cornell services that check IP addresses to allow access, such as some databases linked from Cornell Library. [08:10] mrcarrot: then yeah, you would have been using older xorg [08:10] the only good thing that ltsp is providing is sound, scanner, printer and usb stick support [08:10] nille_ (1000@m90-137-82-47.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [08:10] and the sound is not stable in any distro because of ppppupuppullllsss [08:11] otherwise i could as well just create thinclients and server myself with remote x [08:11] mrcarrot: my ltsp setup has no issues with xorg nor sound :) [08:12] raela: vpn would give you the campus ip [08:12] maybe suse will become an option then... i will check out both redhat and suse because another school will very soon get a ltsp system [08:12] ananke: their site says it's a campus ip only to campus services [08:13] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:14] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:14] ananke: the problem i have had with sound in each distro is this: everything is working fine 30-45 min... then the sound is simply dying and only a reboot of the thinclient brings it back [08:16] ananke: what desktop environment are you running with ltsp? [08:16] kde [08:16] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:16] kde4? [08:16] yep [08:16] so far i have been using kde3 [08:17] and i use nx wrapper, which speeds things up quite a bit [08:17] is there any kiosktool for kde4? [08:17] mrcarrot: same as kde3, yes. [08:17] good... otherwise they mix too much with their settings that they can not even get their normal stuff done [08:19] i wish i could put just windowmaker there but then i would probably not live long at this workplace [08:19] ridout (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:19] :) [08:19] i also often dump settings directly by hand into /etc/kde4/[share] [08:20] it is there the kiosktool is dumping the settings also :) [08:20] yep [08:20] i have been making a nice script for adding users :) [08:20] Mowah (~Mowah@c-078ae555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [08:21] overall, suse/kiwi/ltsp/kde4 setup was a breeze for us to set up and get going [08:21] if you are in the situation that you need to often create a lot of users and not having i could give mine [08:21] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:21] nah. our setup is too convoluted to be useful with anything else. thanks to the fact that we have nis, ldap and AD [08:22] ah, okay [08:22] that makes things more complicated [08:22] anyone using okular a lot? [08:22] i'm noticing some probs with rendering [08:22] errordeveloper: sometimes, but most of the time plain xpdf [08:22] it's 13.1 [08:23] <3 xpdf [08:23] hm ..but sometimes similar rendering problems shows in firefox (according to the user's experience) [08:24] myself i didn't notice anything if FF [08:24] only in okular [08:24] i love small simple utilites and apps... like tmux, vim, windowmaker, xpdf, xterm etc [08:24] basically it doesn't quite refresh properftly every now and then when you scroll the pages [08:25] well, xterm is rubbish compering to aterm or rxvt [08:25] mrcarrot: xterm is far from small [08:25] its uberbloated [08:25] mrcarrot: gotta love suckless.org then [08:25] :) sahko: at least it takes very little memory [08:25] mrcarrot: http://st.suckless.org/ [08:25] I would try suck-less.org [08:26] mrcarrot: try dwm for a wm that takes very little memory [08:26] surrounder: i still need to be able to work efficiently... and that i am doing by windowmaker [08:27] one thing i love with xterm is the possiblility to ctrl-rigthclick and choose size [08:27] that i am using really many times [08:27] mrcarrot: sure, look around that site though, some interesting stuff if you like small apps that suck less :P [08:27] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.165.81) joined ##slackware. [08:27] thanks surrounder :) [08:27] i will [08:27] mrcarrot: whats your opinion about pkgtools? [08:28] to me,it's best to get rid of the mouse use [08:28] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.165.81) left irc: Client Quit [08:28] sdi: same here [08:28] goes without saying [08:28] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.165.81) joined ##slackware. [08:29] sahko: i am never using pkgtool, if you mean the curse interface to installpkg etc [08:29] yet the rest of the world will keep on going with mice, multi-touch surfaces, etc [08:30] i am almost always using a laptops so i have the touchpad really close.... it is not that big thing to move the hand a few centimeters to point somewhere... but most of the thing i am doing in console [08:30] what about trackpads? [08:31] trackpad=touchpad ^^ [08:31] nille_ (1000@m90-137-82-47.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:32] not [08:32] mrcarrot: xterm is proven to be slow [08:32] Slobad (~slobad23@92.17.173.165) joined ##slackware. [08:32] and aterm or rxvt are the winners for memory usage [08:32] errordeveloper: might be... but can i do a fast resize like with xterm? [08:32] but xterm looks like it's from 1985, so it msut be good :) [08:33] my eyes are a bit bad [08:33] s/msut/must [08:33] that is why i want the possibility to change size fast [08:33] it helps me [08:33] Hey people. I have been having trouble setting up a lexmark x2650 with the manufacturers drivers. This has been a problem for a lot of people and only the ubuntu drivers seem to be workable for people (even then it requires some tweaking). I was hoping there was a generic printer driver I could attempt to use that will run across most printers all be it at the loss of some functionality. [08:33] and if i have some process on i can see what happens from a longer distance saving some steps to walk [08:34] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:34] xterm -bg black -fg white [08:34] and it looks more nice :), ananke [08:35] oh, man , of course it does [08:35] i use urxvt [08:35] there is also urxvtc and urxvtd [08:35] deamon and client [08:35] client and daemon [08:36] it's the fastest terminal i have used [08:36] errordeveloper: urxvt seems to not be on sbo [08:37] its called rxvt-unicode [08:37] is it possible to fast change size on rxvt? [08:38] like in xterm with ctrl-rightclick [08:38] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:38] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [08:39] urxvt with those eeeeeeevil transparent terms is awesome :P [08:39] Nick change: xchg_crrr -> xchg [08:39] cpuobsessed (~cpuobsess@adsl-074-183-121-238.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: thanks for all the fish [08:39] cpuobsessed (~cpuobsess@adsl-074-183-121-238.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [08:39] all that obession with looks... [08:40] surrounder: i agree... [08:40] hey, I have a (slight) excuse :P [08:40] i trade look for good functionality any time [08:40] raela: no you don't [08:40] AndChat| (~AndChat@183.sub-174-245-166.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [08:41] raela: unless it is: "I want shiny and I'm a closet Steve Jobs-fan but I can't afford it" [08:41] :) [08:41] that sounded funny [08:41] so if something was white on neon yellow but worked the best, you'd use it? :P [08:41] surrounder: everyone knows girls like pretty things [08:42] raela: yes, I would [08:42] so you are a girl raela? [08:42] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [08:42] yes, mrcarrot [08:43] Urugami (~AndChat@adsl-240-140-219.msy.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:43] white on neon yeallow would not be good out of usability reasons... it takes hard on the eyes [08:43] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:43] what i want for my self is something taking as little on the eyes as possible [08:43] and where i can easily see all the objects [08:44] if i am having some kind of transparency the background is distracting me from reading the text [08:44] to say it honestly... i do not even have a background picture [08:44] Onyxyte (~Onyxyte@r75-110-112-109.rmntcmtc02.rcmtnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [08:45] depends, shading can help... few years ago I messed around with that kind of stuff but I just can't be bothered anymroe [08:45] *anymore [08:45] Action: mrcarrot never messed with such things... perhaps i am too old [08:45] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: [08:45] i have been reaching 30 [08:47] ok well I have just set up the printer on an ubuntu install and am sharing it through that [08:48] Action: mrcarrot is in happy mood [08:49] mrcarrot: nicenice :) [08:50] I've quite a lot of work ahead of me but can't really focus on anything [08:50] BrunoRusso (~brunoruss@200.162.45.6) joined ##slackware. [08:50] Just out of curiosity, does anyone else have lexmark printers on their slackware machines? [08:51] surrounder: the irc disease... [08:51] lexmark... *shudder* [08:51] mrcarrot: nah, more the 'lack-of-sleep-and-lovely-weather-to-have-a-beer-in-the-sun'-disease [08:52] after 15min it is time for me to go home [08:52] it has been a calm afternoon... the computers have been working and i have had time to chat [08:53] lucky man [08:53] I still have 2,5 hours to go [08:53] well, tomorrow i will install 30 laptops [08:53] bluh [08:53] so you are in europe, surrounder? [08:53] i am in finland :) [08:54] ah suomen tasavalta! suomi finland perkele! [08:54] mrcarrot: yes, I'm from the Netherlands [08:55] i am understanding a little bit of dutch... even though i have never been reading it :) [08:55] it is having many similarities with swedish [08:55] mrcarrot: that's cool, i guess if you can speak/read swedish dutch is doable too [08:55] indeed [08:56] i am a swedish speaking finn [08:56] aah ok! [08:56] about 6% of the population right ? [08:56] yeah, you are right [08:56] mrcarrot: I really want to visit finland someday, have wanted to go there since I was 12 or so [08:57] mrcarrot: have some friends in Tampere I could crash so that's a plus :D [08:57] AndChat| (~AndChat@183.sub-174-245-166.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:57] mrcarrot, please forgive the ignorance, but is finnish much different from swedish? [08:57] nille_ (1000@m90-137-119-220.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [08:57] gtludwig: totally different [08:57] gtludwig: finnish, estonian and hungarian belong to a totally different language group [08:57] gtludwig: has nothing todo with the germanic and romanic languages [08:58] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: [08:58] What is the most ancient languege in Europe? [08:59] surrounder, thanks for the info! :) I like languages and thought that since both countries are nordic they had the same root language [08:59] surrounder: how do you know so much about finland? [08:59] nope [09:00] gtludwig: finnish and swedish are completely different... nothing in common [09:00] mrcarrot, thanks, sorry for the ignorance [09:01] np [09:01] mrcarrot: like I said, have had an interest in finland for half my life [09:01] it is even a big cultural difference between swedish speaking finns and finnish speaking ones [09:02] swedish speaking ones are more open and it is easy to get friends... finnish ones are complete the oposite [09:02] but when you finally become friend, you are friend [09:02] stunix (1000@85.19.141.132) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:03] Urugami (~AndChat@64.sub-97-199-209.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [09:04] okay, i have to go now... have a nice time! [09:04] mrcarrot: enjoy your afternoon! :) [09:04] wobbles (~huntsman@C-61-68-169-182.bur.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:05] thanks surrounder ! [09:05] mrcarrot (lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) left ##slackware. [09:05] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [09:06] WhiteMagic (~white@124-169-26-24.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:06] uppsss... good conversation.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euskera [09:07] I've got a bunch of files named some_name.example. I'd like to find them all and copy them to just some_name, ie. get rid of the .example extension. Note: I don't want to mv them. Just a simple copy. Any ideas on how to do that? [09:08] dualshoott (~dual@unaffiliated/dualshoott) joined ##slackware. [09:11] pete` (~user@010.a.007.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:12] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [09:12] man find [09:13] ZMR (~Who_cares@201.206.18.30) left irc: Quit: @Out [09:13] specifically, write a quick bash script that strips the .example (should be able to in about 6 lines of bash), then review either find -exec option or pipe to xargs [09:14] Yea, it was the "strip .example" part that was troubling me. I've got the finding thing down well enough. :o) [09:15] nille_ (1000@m90-137-119-220.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:15] man cut - specifically the -d option along with -f [09:16] for the bash script [09:16] and that can actually be a one-liner with a pipe [09:17] or a one-liner with a "cp $1 $(cut -d.........)" line [09:25] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:26] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-197.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:26] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [09:31] wobbles (huntsman@C-61-68-169-182.bur.connect.net.au) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:35] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ [09:37] oldtopman (~root@207-224-61-12.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [09:37] what is the best grub2 slackware package? I used the slackbuild and update-grub fails [09:38] er. bash cant find the command update-grub [09:38] I don't know, why grub? [09:39] Very long story. Anyway, I installed that package and can't find the update-grub [09:39] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.165.81) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:41] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [09:42] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: disconnecting. [09:43] sukaeto (~sukaeto@pool-173-49-229-225.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:46] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Excess Flood [09:46] wedjat (~root@unaffiliated/wedjat) joined ##slackware. [09:46] anybody? [09:48] nille_ (1000@m90-132-7-54.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [09:50] null cookie =/ [09:50] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:50] What's that supposed to mean [09:52] oldtopman: i wasn't referring to you... grub isn't officially supported, sorry i can't help, have no experience with grub [09:53] er [09:53] update-grub.. never heard of it [09:53] I've always just manually edited /boot/grub/menu.lst or the like [09:53] its grub2 [09:53] ah [09:54] Haven't used grub2 [09:54] yeh i can't see update-grub on any rhel/centos boxes [09:54] long (~long@115.173.31.164) joined ##slackware. [09:54] Well thanks for the help. [09:54] Cr1kk4 (~fabio@93-45-78-146.ip101.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [09:55] When you install LILO it will detect windoze. Is that correct. [09:55] it should do [09:55] okay then. [09:55] oldtopman (~root@207-224-61-12.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:55] dont you have to have a windows section in your /etc/lilo.conf? [09:56] i guess it does detect it on install, never thought of it though [09:58] wedjat (root@unaffiliated/wedjat) left ##slackware. [10:00] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [10:03] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.165.81) joined ##slackware. [10:03] ThomasLocke: rename is cool [10:03] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [10:04] yht-GoHome (~yht@118.96.121.225) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:05] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-434822.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:06] Lalloso (8a843664@gateway/web/freenode/ip.138.132.54.100) joined ##slackware. [10:06] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431056.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:07] i've just used mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.33.4 [10:07] adjusted the lilo stanza [10:07] rebooted [10:07] and now my reboot slackware is unreachable :-D [10:08] did you try the mkinitrd.sh ?` [10:08] Lalloso: you didn't need a special module to boot, did you? [10:08] i did follow this http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.1/README.initrd [10:08] i don't think so [10:08] sorry, i mean /usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh [10:08] i used the mkinitrd command [10:08] you probably didn't include your FS type, ext4 [10:08] i don't know if it is a script [10:09] i did not include it [10:09] you should use /usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh which will generate a likely working config [10:09] is ext4 compiled as a module these days? :D [10:09] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [10:09] with a modular kernel, yes [10:10] for instance, this is mine... [10:10] mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.34-smp -f ext4 -r /dev/cryptvg/root -m usbhid:ehci-hcd:uhci-hcd:jbd2:mbcache:ext4 -C /dev/sda2 -L -o /boot/initrd.gz [10:11] Lalloso: you know how to recover with the slack cd right? [10:11] Lalloso: you removed the original bits in your lilo.conf ? The proper way would be to _add_ sections to your lilo.conf so that you always have a fallback selection available [10:11] i have no cd drive in this computer [10:11] it's an industrial box [10:12] i had it attached once ago to do the installation [10:12] being a remote machine [10:12] You can boot from a USB thumbdrive then? [10:12] also, i just learned the virtues of having difference initrds... i stupidly thought you could only use one.. not sure why =P [10:12] being a remote machine i just got straight to the mkinitrd :) [10:12] too risky :) [10:13] I hope it will boot from a usb drive [10:13] phrag: usually not necessary even; you can have multiple kernels' stuff in a single initrd [10:13] It's a remote machine... and you removed the default Slackware kernel from lilo.conf altogether or you just made lilo boot into the wrong kernel by default? [10:13] the second one obviously [10:13] remotely upgrading kernel is dodgy [10:14] i know [10:14] I will admit to doing a "cp /boot/initrd.gz /boot/good.gz" and editing my "old" lilo entry before booting a new kernel though :) [10:14] but ehy everyone can do it sitting in front of the machine :) [10:14] phrag: yes indeed :) [10:14] rworkman: oh, didn't know what... my problem was different modular kernels, how would you pass different kernel versions for a single initrd [10:14] So, if there is someone at the console of your remote server, he can reboot and then select the correct lilo menu entry Lalloso ? [10:14] ratono (~ratono@unaffiliated/ratono) joined ##slackware. [10:14] no he can't [10:14] because the older lilo stanza is commented [10:14] and of course there is no real console at the moment [10:14] Ah. Lesson learnt then [10:14] but alienBOB where is the http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackboot/usb/ ? [10:15] phrag: mkinitrd -c -k -F (use /etc/mkinitrd.conf) --- and then --- mkinitrd -k -F (note the absence of "-c") [10:15] i've been pointed there by reading BOOTING.TXT [10:15] rworkman: ah! [10:15] phrag: -c clears the initrd tree, but you don't want that with the second invocation [10:15] No longer needed Lalloso because now you find that in Slackware's usb-and-pxe-installers directory [10:15] that's handy to know [10:15] ah okay i will look in the dvd then [10:15] rworkman: cheers =) [10:15] :) [10:16] is that possible that some files are out of date on slackware dvd? http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.1/BOOTING.TXT [10:16] maybe this should be rewritten from time to time :) [10:16] Lalloso: out of date, how ? [10:16] i mean it's of 2006 [10:16] Not all files get all new information on every iteration. That is what ##slackware is for [10:16] Lalloso: slack documentation isn't the most up to date [10:16] eh i see [10:17] a lot of it is usefull, but newer stuff doesn't get documented fully [10:17] madbear (~dude@c-7d29e655.09-14-6b73641.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [10:17] there aren't so many files anyway to keep updated ;) [10:17] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.1/ [10:17] BOOTING.TXT also says "All that said, most of this file after this is about 10 years old".... so that is about the frequency of updates to that file ;-) [10:17] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:17] some people are working on new slackbook v3, which will be bit more current [10:17] sorry im back alienBOB ya todays upate (Wed Sep 22 03:03:58 UTC) will that update change my kernel, if so, then I have to rebuild my custum [10:17] Lalloso: not many files to be updated, but also not many people to keep them uptodate [10:17] btw, that your project rworkman ? [10:18] I know alienBOB sorry [10:18] KaMii: it is up to you if you think it is needed or not [10:18] phrag: which one? [10:18] mmm is there a place on the slackware dvd [10:18] phrag: Alan_Hicks is doing that rewrite [10:18] where i can see the .config of the generic kernel? [10:18] He is doing that for two years now I think... [10:18] ah cool, i may offer a helping hand [10:18] wow [10:18] He could use it, it seems :) [10:18] guess he could use a hand then =) [10:18] hehe [10:18] ok, well probably not right now since my computer is going offline tomorrow and wont be back onlilne for... not sure how long [10:19] KaMii: it is a local root exploit. If you are not giving away shells on that box and are not running weakly protected or crappy internet-accessible services on that computer then a kernel rebuild is not needed [10:20] Lalloso: the kernel config files are in source/k [10:20] ok, good, ya I dont do any of that on this machine so I dont need it [10:20] thx [10:20] i want to check ext4 [10:20] ext4 is modular in the generic kernel [10:20] i'm going to try that exploit tonight before upgrading =P [10:20] logia_th (~nmo@81.34.121.77) left irc: Quit: return 0; [10:20] phrag: it works ;-) [10:20] arfon (~arfon@66.87.2.121) joined ##slackware. [10:21] howdy [10:21] hi arfon [10:21] hallo o/ [10:21] :) You guys make me happy [10:21] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:21] 2 days left arfon then im living in the USA [10:22] wha?????? [10:22] ya, we are moving [10:22] :S [10:22] "I do not patch the official kernel sources, but it's not exactly a virgin either." [10:22] lol [10:22] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.1/source/k/README.TXT [10:22] KaMii: PM? [10:22] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) joined ##slackware. [10:23] kk [10:23] CONFIG_EXT4_FS=m [10:23] WhiteMagic (~white@124-169-26-24.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:24] pete` (~user@010.a.007.syd.iprimus.net.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:26] brittany (~brittany@74.113.242.5) joined ##slackware. [10:27] Having trouble with a slackbuild script for ffmpeg: "./ffmpeg.SlackBuild: line 194: cd: /tmp/SBo/package-ffmpeg/usr/man: No such file or directory" anyone know how to fix, or what to do? [10:27] http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-09/21/michael-jackson-mmo [10:27] omg [10:27] lol [10:27] brittany: did you try as root and then a user? [10:28] check the permissions of the directory /tmp/SBo/ [10:29] that usually occurs when you build as root, and then as a user, and the user can't write to the dir owned by root [10:29] No. brittany use "su -" to become root. You used "su" [10:29] brittany: read the fucking README [10:29] /tmp/SBo/package-ffmpeg/usr/ indeed, does not contain man/ [10:29] brittany: read my advice [10:30] yeh, read what we said =P [10:30] or better yet, the advice of the guy who wrote the build script =P [10:30] alienBOB: I used su -m [10:30] I did not write that version phrag [10:31] brittany: do you have tex installed? (the "t" series) [10:31] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:31] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [10:32] /var/log/packages/tetex-3.0-i486-8 [10:33] I also installed texlive-20091107-i486-3_SBo [10:33] so...? [10:33] Then I have no idea whu man pages are not being added. [10:34] I would of course use my own ffmpeg.SlackBuild instead ;-) [10:34] starec (~root@proxy.spse-po.sk) joined ##slackware. [10:34] Oh, ok, will look at yours. tnx [10:35] aye, go for alienBOB's package [10:35] brittany: i think your problem may be, are you installing a newer version of ffmpeg than the SBo has? [10:35] oh btw, got starcraft 2 working nicely in slack for anyone that's arsed =) [10:35] sometimes the file names change or are not there in the source anymore, so you have to edit out those lines in the SBo script [10:35] troy (~troy@66.135.115.43) joined ##slackware. [10:35] bnguyen (~chatzilla@210.245.12.41) joined ##slackware. [10:35] check the source and see if the man pages have changed, if so, make those changes in the script [10:37] starec (root@proxy.spse-po.sk) left ##slackware. [10:37] what's that place that's best to view paris from [10:38] Eiffel tower [10:38] The ground? [10:38] russian ICBM complex sattelite station? [10:38] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:38] France? [10:39] google maps? [10:39] phrag: paris ? [10:39] goole street view! [10:39] (until it gets outlawed) [10:40] street view is wonderful [10:40] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: _marc` [10:40] arch de triume, that's whati was thiking about [10:40] KaMii: Well, maybe. But just grabbed alienBOB's package and installed it so I suppose I'm done with that part. [10:40] more than one paris in the world [10:41] tank-man: well 99% of people know which paris i'm talking about =P [10:41] phrag: you cant see much of paris from the Arch du triumphf [10:41] edthix (~ed@115.133.247.147) joined ##slackware. [10:41] you want the Eiffel Tower [10:41] we've got a company trip on friday... will probably be a drinlking weekend, but be nice to get a decent view [10:41] You can if you climb on top of it and stand on your tippy-toes. [10:41] the effiel tower doesnt appeal to me [10:41] Champ du Mars [10:42] its the best place [10:42] yeh? [10:42] you french ? [10:42] yes, bottle of wine, a picnik basket at sunset [10:42] everyone is out there, and its great, then you go the the Champs de'lise (cant spell it) and fiind a nice night club [10:43] no im not french but I spent a summer there [10:43] asarch (~asarch@189.188.198.25) joined ##slackware. [10:43] even with initrd the kernel gets loaded just once right? [10:44] Sure [10:44] oh and phrag make sure you go to the latin quarter, BEST FOOD is there! and its cheap [10:45] it's just a matter of loading first the modules inside the initrd and later on the other modules on the real root filesystem [10:45] at least this is what i've understood reading the docs [10:45] Yes, loading kernel modules is part of the initrd functionality [10:45] In your case, all the desired functionality [10:46] KaMii awesome, thanks for the advice =) [10:46] well i'll also have the shiny generic kernel [10:46] probably with the smp flavour [10:47] which does not suffer from the nfsd problem [10:47] like the huge [10:47] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.165.81) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:49] what i don't understand is this: the ext4 module will be loaded just once by initrd or will be also get reloaded later when the real / is available? [10:50] Lalloso: modules get loaded only once. [10:52] but if i have my own module to drive a USB rifle [10:52] can i keep it out of the initrd and it will be loaded later in the second phase of the boot [10:52] a usb rifle! i want one [10:52] or should i put every single module i want in the initrd? [10:52] Lalloso: depends on what's needed for actual boot [10:53] obviously the usb rifle is not needed to boot [10:53] but i'll want it loaded without the need to modprobe or insmod it later [10:53] so i should put in the initrd the only things needed to mount the root right? [10:54] such as ext4 or raid drivers right? [10:54] yeh, and usb perhaps if you have usb keyboard [10:54] actually, that's more important if you need to enter a LUKS password =P [10:55] Lalloso: As far as I know you can put what ever you like in an initrd. [10:56] okay so i can put whavever i want in an initrd, but i also can put whatever it's not needed to mount root outside of the initrd [10:56] sure [10:56] and it will get loaded later by rc.modules [10:57] phrag: I've never put usb stuff in initrds and I use a usb keyboard [10:57] rc.modules load next to nothing [10:58] and who loads the other modules then? [10:58] echo "modprobe mymodule" >> /etc/rc.d/rc.local [10:58] Lalloso: udev I think. [10:58] I see [10:59] lp and quota are maybe loaded by rc.modules [10:59] yeah [10:59] g2g lads [11:00] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [11:00] nille_ (1000@m90-132-7-54.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:00] and one last question, is it possible with uname to understand if it's running the generic kernel or the huge? [11:00] Linux lallobox 2.6.24.5-smp #2 SMP [11:00] it's smp for sure :) [11:01] sushiyant (~hamed@unaffiliated/sushiyant) joined ##slackware. [11:01] Lalloso, cat /proc/cmdline [11:02] gabriel (~gabriel@190.163.80.113) joined ##slackware. [11:02] auto BOOT_IMAGE=lallobox ro root=801 vt.default_utf8=0 [11:02] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:02] now figure what 'lallobox' is :-) [11:02] it's obviously my hostname [11:03] in /etc/lilo.conf [11:03] that's the label obviously [11:03] sure. and the kernel is under it. [11:03] boot/vmlinuz [11:03] now ls -l /boot/vmlinuz [11:03] vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.24.5-smp [11:03] nice [11:03] PROFIT!!!!!!!111oneone [11:03] :-) [11:04] not so quick but okay :) [11:04] thx [11:08] wolven (~wolven@cB996BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [11:08] slackie_ (~x@bl21-2-175.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:09] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.243.130) joined ##slackware. [11:09] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Disconnected by services [11:09] Nick change: slackie_ -> slackie [11:09] slackie (~x@bl21-2-175.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Changing host [11:09] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [11:10] v4nelle (~van@adsl-152.109.242.201.tellas.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:11] slackware.it got out of date also :-\ [11:12] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@r74-192-29-7.bcstcmta01.clsttx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [11:13] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:15] Lalloso, didnt they move to slacky.eu ? [11:16] dunno [11:16] i remember slackware.it being of fizban [11:16] slackware.it was official [11:16] yeah www.slacky.eu its alive [11:16] i don't know if slacky.eu is official although it's very active [11:17] Slobad (~slobad23@92.17.173.165) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:17] Lalloso: what are you looking for in slackware.it? [11:18] nothing in particular [11:18] i dont think they moved anywhere [11:18] i do neither [11:18] but if you search "slackware" in google.it [11:18] the first result is slackware.it [11:19] and it's a pity because it seems a bit out of date [11:19] the rss feeds are there, so is the package browser (under construction) [11:19] Lalloso: slacky.eu is not official. [11:20] i know slacky.eu is not official, but slackware.it was official [11:23] the 'under construction' is such a joke [11:23] it should be renamed to 'never coming back, just give up your hopes' [11:23] bnguyen (~chatzilla@210.245.12.41) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.6/20100625231939] [11:23] ehehe a shame [11:24] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A53F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [11:24] seriously. it's been in the same shape for what, a year now? [11:24] seems longer [11:24] rafu (~rafu@127-226-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se) joined ##slackware. [11:25] gtludwig (~gtl@189.114.198.208.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:25] Action: KaMii is going to cry... my powersupply only works in europe, it doesnt have a switch on it to work in the USA [11:25] where is the best place to buy a new powersupply in the USA? [11:25] KaMii: get your mum to buy you a new PSU lady [11:26] asarch (~asarch@189.188.198.25) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:26] archive.org shows last usable page for http://packages.slackware.it/ on august 22nd, 2008 [11:26] ananke: lol, dated much? [11:26] is Frys electroniks a good place? I heard someone talk about that place [11:26] KaMii: newegg [11:26] newegg ftw [11:26] KaMii: do you want to have it shipped to europe? [11:27] ananke: she's in the US [11:27] no, we are moving the the USA on saturday [11:27] sushiyant (~hamed@unaffiliated/sushiyant) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:27] oh [11:27] KaMii: and you're bringing a tower computer across the pond? [11:27] or a laptop? [11:27] and like all my stuff uses European plugs, most can convert on its own, but i need a ton of adapters [11:28] Im brining two towers and 3 lappys [11:28] christ, spoilt shit [11:28] haha [11:28] not really, [11:28] two of the lappys are from 1995 [11:28] s4lv4d0r (bec6f131@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.198.241.49) joined ##slackware. [11:28] one tower is about 5 years old and I got it dirt cheap [11:28] GULIBB (Grupo de usuarios linux que usan blackberry), Si usas linux y tienes telefonos blackberry unanse al grupo a traves del PIN214835EC [11:29] oh, its s4lv4d0r again.... doesnt he remember to only speak english in here? [11:30] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [11:30] cali (~cali@unaffiliated/cali) joined ##slackware. [11:30] hello [11:30] KaMii: uhmm, how are you shipping those? it seems that it would simply be cheaper to buy new equipment here [11:30] s4lv4d0r: pendejo, hablos ingles aqui [11:30] :p [11:31] Action: vastina idles before the boot [11:31] ananke: one tower and one lappy is coming with me on the plane, the rest is being sent with the rest of our house [11:31] you're shipping your house? [11:31] well not the house, but everything in it [11:31] KaMii: seriously. sending an old tower with you? that's a waste of space and weight [11:32] not really [11:32] KaMii: really [11:32] it is [11:32] KaMii: really. the weight alone is what will kill you [11:32] ananke: Im not paying for it, my pappas company he works for is shipping everying [11:32] they are moving us [11:32] and they moving company is coming and they will pack up all our furnature, everything, and ship it [11:32] KaMii: just because it's available doesn't mean you should abuse it [11:32] im not abusing it [11:33] anyway, this is totally way off topic [11:33] yes you are, you're shipping crap [11:33] KaMii: yeah, but is it so important for you to bring that tower on the plane? 10kg of electronic junk would be better used for clothes/etc [11:33] it'd be cheaper to buy that same tower of crap in the US, than send that bollocks here [11:33] exactly. hell, you'd get something newer and better for that price [11:33] no matter who's flipping the bill [11:34] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431056.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: I shouldn't really be here - dircproxy 1.2.0 [11:34] vastina: ananke the tower i am brigning with me is an AMD Anthlon phenom II 3.2 ghz x6 8 gigs of ram [11:34] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [11:34] KaMii: so have it sent with the rest of your stuff [11:34] and the extra bag only costs $50 and I am paying that myself [11:34] so stfu and mind your own business [11:35] KaMii: now the nasty comes out of you [11:35] i found this one the other day: http://search.slackware.eu It looks nice [11:35] KaMii: i guess it was a matter of time before you showed us that side [11:35] C00re: ahh, that's a decent search [11:36] mmh [11:36] there are other search sites nowadays too [11:37] kingbeowulf (~kingbeowu@c-71-59-193-120.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] pat really ought to replace that link on the official site [11:42] anyone know the way to figure out key codes in flux? I forgot the command.. need to map my function keys to volume control [11:42] xev [11:43] xmodmap wasnt it? [11:43] or something like that [11:43] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:43] no, xmodmap gives modifier keys [11:43] thanks, ananke [11:43] oh [11:43] well damn, the volume function keys don't have events [11:44] s4lv4d0r (bec6f131@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.198.241.49) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:45] isnt there a config file somewhere in ~/.fluxbox where you can edit and make them work? [11:45] can't do that if they don't have events associated with them [11:46] dualshoott (~dual@unaffiliated/dualshoott) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:47] joc (~joc@IP-70.c-237.TvNetWork.Hu) joined ##slackware. [11:48] raela, you sure the volume isn't hardware? [11:49] it's not even outputting now [11:49] gabriel (~gabriel@190.163.80.113) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:49] I know it works cause skype made a loud sound in class [11:49] oops [11:50] gabriel (~gabriel@190.163.80.113) joined ##slackware. [11:55] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:55] raela: man amixer search for set, try a amixer set command in terminal to test first, then try it as a key binding [11:56] raela: amixer set Master,0 100%,100% unmute [11:56] gnubien: can't bind a key if xev doesn't report a number to find to [11:57] Lalloso (8a843664@gateway/web/freenode/ip.138.132.54.100) left irc: Quit: Page closed [11:57] raela: does you command work when run in terminal? [11:57] I set the volume in alsamixer.. looks like it isn't working right now since skype's test sound failed. rebooting then might re-configure the sound card [12:00] raela: which command did you use? [12:00] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:01] gnubien: for which part? [12:01] joc (~joc@IP-70.c-237.TvNetWork.Hu) left irc: Quit: Távozom [12:01] forgive my clueless interjection but does cat SOMEFILE > /dev/dsp make a noise currently? [12:01] ah I bet I know why it stopped working [12:02] yup [12:02] something was bitching about /etc/rc.modprobe/sound not having a .conf, so I renamed it.. heh [12:02] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [12:02] but the sound control fn keys don't work :/ [12:04] BVX (b@boringvx.stalker.fi) joined ##slackware. [12:04] long (long@115.173.31.164) left ##slackware. [12:04] I don't understand why those keys don't seem to work.. other fn keys are fine [12:05] on mine they directly control the sound hardware and don't generate anything in xev [12:05] well they weren't affecting the sound [12:06] sv (~sv@82.178.69.228) joined ##slackware. [12:07] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:08] other support channels are shit [12:09] i can never get help from other project channels when i need it [12:10] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:10] Yeah [12:11] is it rant-a-phrag day? [12:11] That's why I pester you guys with questions... You actually help. [12:11] v4nelle (~van@adsl-152.109.242.201.tellas.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:11] adaptr: not really, i'm actually being rather patient... i just get no acknowledgement from verbose and concise questions [12:13] Is your question about sailboats or Ramblers? If so, I can help you. [12:13] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.243.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:14] phrag: that's why I use -OT as * support :P [12:14] higher chance of help [12:15] phrag: name the channels! how else can we sympathize [12:15] gtludwig (~gtl@189.114.198.208.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:16] #Perl, #irssi [12:16] Nick change: sv -> y0g1 [12:16] yeah, irssi can be a tight little sphinct-I mean, group [12:16] I fear #perl. my code is always shredded [12:16] which is good, but still [12:17] sometimes I want a quick answer, not a list of 20 nitpicky things to fix first :/ [12:17] irssi doesn't believe in auto-rejoin after kick.. obviously they're not a group to mess around.. heh [12:18] assume that there are sevearl IRC-masters in attendance, yeah [12:18] Pfft, I asked a SIMPLE question there that the online docs didn't cover and they gave me about 20 lines of RTFM instean of answering my question with a "-c" [12:18] what was the question ? [12:19] How do you start irssi and have it immediately connect to a server? [12:19] The online docs go all into how to script crap but, you had to -h it to find the -c [12:20] heh [12:20] ratono (~ratono@unaffiliated/ratono) left irc: Quit: Arreando [12:20] my config files make it auto connect [12:20] They could have just responded to me with "-c" and everyone would have been happy but , no, they had to go on for 20 lines af "why do you want to do that?" and "rtfm" [12:20] haha, why indeed... [12:21] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [12:21] Becuase I wanted two icons on my desktop, one starts irssi in a term and connects to freenode, the other starts irssi in Dalnet [12:21] I didn't want one terminal with both in it becasue you can't tile one terminal.... [12:22] you don't want two servers in one client? [12:22] interesting [12:22] irssi has a good multi-server support. why run two instances? [12:22] [12:22] but, fair enough [12:22] Because you can't tile one terminal session [12:22] I can watch both without having to swicth [12:22] switch [12:23] I still don't see the appeal, but yes, things like that are frustrating [12:23] :P [12:23] gabriel (~gabriel@190.163.80.113) left irc: Disconnected by services [12:24] jemark_ (~mark@94.75.214.34) joined ##slackware. [12:24] jemark_ (~mark@94.75.214.34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:24] bwa's online manual has the wrong documentation for some commands and is missing some.. the usage information on running the command with no params gives it, though [12:24] gabriel__ (~gabriel@190.163.80.113) joined ##slackware. [12:24] very irritating [12:26] hey raela, rtfm. :)) [12:26] (jk) [12:28] arfon: you can watch as many channels as you want with 1 instance [12:28] How? [12:28] rtfm :) [12:29] You sux :P [12:29] you mean the window splitting? [12:29] who wants to watch two channels at once? I see enough of people with one window! :P [12:29] (I lol'd) [12:29] but.. are you only in a limited number of channels? [12:29] raela: is OBVIOUSLY not a guy.... [12:29] same reason we flip TV channels so much [12:29] I'm in ~14, but even that is nothing compared to some [12:30] http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssisplit [12:30] gabriel__ (~gabriel@190.163.80.113) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:30] I flip channels, but I don't want to see all 14 at once [12:30] yht-GoHome (~yht@118.96.121.225) joined ##slackware. [12:30] Star Trek TOS is on ch15 and Spike tv has a bikini contest on ch34, why else would we want to watch both at once??? [12:31] leave ##slackware [12:32] y0g1 (sv@82.178.69.228) left ##slackware. [12:32] I wouldn't watch either [12:32] I think you need a slashie before that command... [12:32] :( [12:33] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@r74-192-29-7.bcstcmta01.clsttx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:34] Likewise, I probably wouldn't watch either. But unlike raela I'd secretly wish I was watching 34. :) [12:34] HA! [12:34] cpuobsessed (~cpuobsess@adsl-074-183-121-238.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:34] I'd be watching ch60 with frolicking ponies, or maybe ch72 with all the medical shows [12:34] mystery diagnosis! <3 [12:35] Gah, what is this world coming to when nerd aren't attracted to Star Trek anymore.... I blame it on TNG! [12:35] ...TNG? [12:35] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [12:35] oh [12:35] That pansy show almost ruined it for me [12:35] ..heh [12:36] I don't watch much tv anyway. don't have cable in my apartment [12:36] BSG is better [12:36] You could watch hulu.. oh wait. [12:37] I quit watching TV circa 1993. [12:37] old man! [12:37] :P [12:37] except when Christine O'Donnell talks bout being rubbed off to, that rob0 watches. [12:38] Isn't that when Mtv dropped all the music videos? :) [12:38] heh.. f'ing mtv [12:38] Action: rob0 shrugs ... who's Christine O'Donnell? [12:38] and now cartoon network doesn't only show cartoons [12:38] (today is national rub off to christine o'donnell day) [12:38] what IS the world coming to? [12:38] rob0, the delaware tea party whore who wants to ban masturbation because she thinks people are hiding in her bushes and rubbing it out to her. [12:38] haha! [12:38] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [12:38] what are you talking about? [12:39] she's also tough on spending but she spent 20k campaign funds just to pay her rent. [12:39] how would you even ban masturbation? [12:39] mandatory surgical chasity belds? [12:39] raela, ask christine o'donnell, the crazy christian extremist [12:39] *belts [12:39] ##slackware-offtopic bitte =P [12:39] How can you possibly impose such crazy laws without crazy taxation to pay for all the police? [12:39] bah, phrag is here [12:39] cant ever escape him [12:40] i is in your internet, stealing all your kittenz [12:40] rob0, sex police. oh and if you even think about another woman, it's adultery. [12:40] Oh noes, not mah kittenz [12:41] everytime you masturbate god kills a kitten [12:41] kumo (1100@25.209.32.95.dsl-dynamic.vsi.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:41] adamk (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [12:42] KaMii: everytime I do, there's risk of killing more than a kitten [12:42] TMI [12:42] adaptr, probably because it's so hard to find! [12:42] I take out entire cities [12:42] kitten cities [12:42] or something. shrug [12:43] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.179.170) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:44] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.176.78) joined ##slackware. [12:44] KaMii: yes, now you get it. you were already way TMI [12:44] kwabbles (~kwabbles@h-67-101-178-243.lsanca54.static.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:44] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [12:45] I was? [12:45] What's TMI? [12:46] Too Much Information [12:46] Ah [12:46] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) joined ##slackware. [12:48] Kitty City [12:48] KaMii: yes. god is obscene [12:48] it's alive! [12:49] yht-GoHome (~yht@118.96.121.225) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:50] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:51] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. 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[13:03] BBL :) [13:03] arfon (~arfon@66.87.2.121) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:03] yht-GoHome (~yht@118.96.121.225) joined ##slackware. [13:04] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [13:06] edthix (ed@115.133.247.147) left ##slackware. [13:07] does xfce support true transparent windows ? the terminal just fakes it [13:08] xfce has compositing in its WM [13:08] lemme see if I can find it... [13:09] don't under estimate, the power of VIM [13:09] :%s/adaptr/adapter/g [13:10] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [13:10] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-46-92.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:10] oh wow [13:10] I lurv you [13:10] works like a dream [13:11] you dream about compositing WMs ? [13:11] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. 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[14:10] no, i just check the announcements on slackware.com every so often [14:10] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [14:11] well, subscribed people may have gotten notified [14:11] why am i uncomfortable with running snmpd ? even local interface [14:11] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [14:13] :O my main virtual server which i run my most important shiznit is alreay 13.0 and i want to upgrade but i'm a skurred of borking the system! [14:13] n37wk3r (~netwolker@unaffiliated/n37wk3r) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [14:14] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] jeev: make of backup ? [14:14] make a* [14:14] deco, the instance cannot go down. ;/ [14:14] :( [14:15] Roin (~florian@p5B2BEDA7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:15] ThomasLocke (ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:16] rodrigo_golive (c8116f03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.17.111.3) left irc: Quit: Page closed [14:19] Raggs (943deab5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.148.61.234.181) joined ##slackware. [14:20] hi all, is it possible to upgrade to current or is that a complete install? [14:20] Action: NaCl can't seem to build the fglrx module anymore in -current after the kernel update [14:21] NaCl: weird, it should be minor: any error message? [14:21] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:21] Raggs: it's possible but usually we advise against running current against you really know what you are doing: it can be quite buggy [14:22] jeev: real men don't use backups, have no safety nets, don't use condoms... -_- [14:22] adrien: like debian testing or sid? if ya know [14:22] adrien: http://pastebin.com/by27hTg5 [14:23] Raggs: recent examples include: broken png support everywhere (no more icons), borken applications using XML through libxml2, borken audacious... [14:23] adrien, that's why you were born.. i wasn't wearing one. [14:23] jeev: anachronism =) [14:23] Time travel. :P [14:23] it actually tore through and came out, condoms only work for liek a foot. [14:24] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.74) joined ##slackware. [14:25] adrien: any idea? [14:26] Raggs (943deab5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.148.61.234.181) left ##slackware. [14:27] NaCl: check the config, in particular if support for 32bit apps has been disabled [14:27] .config? [14:27] first, check the recent patches [14:27] what are they touching? [14:27] Genk1 (~Genk1@41.137.56.93) joined ##slackware. [14:28] hello [14:28] tiny (~ivob@89-212-253-180.static.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [14:28] tiny (~ivob@89-212-253-180.static.t-2.net) left irc: Changing host [14:28] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [14:28] adrien: the ChangeLog says that it was doing something with the IA32 System Call Entry Point [14:28] can someone guys give me an example of a CV of an experienced sys admin ? [14:28] or somesuch [14:28] thank you ! [14:29] NaCl: I mean, read the patches [14:29] Action: NaCl doesn't have time to read patches xD [14:30] ah [14:31] adrien: touches compat.h and a bunch of asm-level stuff [14:31] you mean that local root exploit? [14:31] yes [14:32] I think it was renamed [14:32] common/lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/kcl_ioctl.c:196: error: implicit declaration of function compat_alloc_user_space [14:32] Action: NaCl does not want to patch fglrx [14:32] was renamed to arch_alloc_compat_user_space [14:32] 'arch_' was added [14:32] Action: adrien hugs 'git diff HEAD~ HEAD' [14:33] so you need to PATCH! [14:33] Action: NaCl gets the sources from *buntu [14:33] Action: adrien pukes [14:33] =) [14:33] Cr1kk4 (fabio@93-45-78-146.ip101.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. [14:34] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-54-137.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:34] dood, mrtg has *failed* on me. [14:35] *buntu isn't new enough [14:35] huh? slackware's kernel is old in comparison to ubuntu [14:36] NaCl: patching is easy: only renaming [14:36] the driver [14:36] adrien: not disagreeing, it's how ATI laid it out [14:37] and I think I figured out how... [14:37] tiny (ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:37] Roin (~florian@p5B2BEDA7.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [14:37] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:37] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [14:37] john_dee (~id@95-29-144-125.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:37] Roin (~florian@p5B2BEDA7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:38] |Slacker| (1000@187.47.71.250) joined ##slackware. [14:38] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [14:39] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-166-177-190.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:41] adrien: bam! thanks [14:41] do I need to remake my initrd... [14:41] almost certain you do [14:41] cryptonoia (~cryptonoi@ip72-205-14-129.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:42] blah [14:43] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:44] NaCl: =) [14:44] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-136-226.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:44] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-136-226.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Changing host [14:44] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [14:44] made much much easier thanks to my "git track" of slackware current =) [14:45] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [14:47] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:47] fruitcake (~id@95-29-144-125.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. 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[14:49] but I don't think you really want color with make, but at a later step, yeah [14:49] jemark: most probably [14:50] adries, i still want to try it again bc it didn't the last try... :( [14:50] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: brb [14:50] adries, gnome didn't want to start with startx [14:50] try #radeon [14:51] hmmm, I'd blame gnome xD [14:52] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [14:52] adrien, that's easy to say... well, i will try it again, one day ;) [14:53] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:53] can you make slackware "a rolling release" when you follow "current" ? [14:54] no [14:54] current is intended for developpers and testers [14:54] jemark, yes, running -current is exactly that [14:55] I was just about to say what thrice` did.. [14:55] :) [14:55] you shouldn't run current simply because you want a rolling release system [14:55] definitely not [14:55] thrice`, cool [14:55] adrien, bullshit, I've done it for about 5 years :p [14:55] adrien: ... any reasons to support that (flawed) premise? [14:55] eviljames, lol [14:55] yeah, it breaks quite often [14:56] adrien: No, you break it quite often ;) [14:56] if you're not ready to patch it and fix it by yourself, you shouldn't do it [14:56] |Slacker| (1000@187.47.71.250) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:56] adrien: When was the last time you had to apply any custom patch to -current? [14:56] thrice`: I use current, but I definitely wouldn't have something like an auto-update to current everyday [14:56] adrien: or really any modification of the base system (I know when the last time is for me) [14:56] jemark, it constantly updates until he calls it a release. it's tagged as development, and things may break along the way, but it's generally incredibly stable and conservative about dumping crap in there [14:56] eviljames: want the full list of recent events? [14:56] adrien, you might be doing it wrong, then [14:57] s/might be/are/ [14:57] adrien: the only breakage I've seen in current for the longest time has been the radeon transition [14:57] well, last one sudo change one week ago [14:57] thrice`, i see, at you would know about the latest developments [14:57] a little modification could speed up rc.inet1 alot: http://www.pastebin.org/1089629 [14:57] any comments? [14:58] rafu (~rafu@127-226-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:58] ScreamerX: does that actually speed anything up? [14:58] eviljames, yes [14:58] Aug 27 too, grep, libxml2, audacious, libmowgly, impacting conky, libpng... [14:59] eviljames, every notebook has a wlan and an ethernet interface [14:59] adrien, that had nothing to do with current [14:59] er, the sudo bump * [14:59] probably makes sense if you have several interfaces [14:59] ScreamerX: Sure, but in those cases it is typically easier to do with wicd or another userspace management tool. [15:00] thrice`: ah, you're right, the others do however [15:00] eviljames: boot ;-) [15:00] adrien: Who boots their system more than 2-3x per year anyway? [15:00] eviljames, no, i prefer wpa_supplicant [15:00] and nouveau too, I think it caused breakage before 13.1 [15:00] eviljames: netbook users [15:00] notebook too [15:00] adrien: Well, nouveau is for people who enjoy entirely closed hardware. [15:01] ergh [15:01] adrien: So that's not really Slackware's fault, it's your/NV's fault. [15:01] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:01] eviljames: you think intel is any more open? [15:01] ScreamerX: you can background the IP configuration, but that will end the rc.inet1 script in a flash and the network services of rc.inet2 will already be starting before the network interfaces may be ready [15:01] they don't have anything to hide but it's not more open [15:01] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:02] alienBOB, i know, but thats no good solution [15:02] of course, constantly changing software might result in various results for people, but generally, Pat is very good at packaging, and issues rarely come as a result of an error he made. of course, it can and does happen, but that's the case with every 'rolling' distro I guess [15:02] ScreamerX: .. alienBOB is pointing out the issues with the rc.inet1 mods you've made, not presenting a solution. [15:02] ScreamerX: reducing the DHCP timeout will already help [15:02] eviljames is correct [15:02] can't you background dhcpcd too since 5.x ? [15:03] alienBOB, that does not happen in my solution: http://www.pastebin.org/1089629 ... "wait" waits for the initialization of all network devices [15:03] thrice`: I think that would suffer from the same condition as above (interface not being ready before services act on it) [15:04] alienBOB, after ALL devices are up, the gateway will be initialized [15:04] alienBOB, nearly every laptop has 2 devices -> speedup 50% [15:05] rafu (~rafu@127-226-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se) joined ##slackware. [15:05] ScreamerX: how would you implement that "wait" ? [15:05] alienBOB, in bash type: help wait [15:05] wait is a built-in function [15:06] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-166-185.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:06] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A53F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:06] Wait for what, exactly? [15:07] For the backgrounded functions? [15:07] yes [15:07] just type "help wait" into the bash-shell :-) [15:08] if no parameter is given, it waits until all background processes/functions (&) are completed [15:08] should probably store the id for which to wait too [15:09] oh, no, ok, no id given would wait for all [15:09] YEs, that would help reduce time [15:09] Action: thrice` wonders what the changes of the slackware init system ever being re-done are [15:09] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A53F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [15:10] alienBOB, thats why i'm posting this here :-) [15:11] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@user-0cetgcn.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [15:13] thrice`: small chance [15:13] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Quit: Quitte [15:13] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-166-185.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] mm, thought so :( [15:14] Nicce (~Nicke@178.72.6.60) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:19] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [15:19] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:19] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@c-98-212-175-103.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:21] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:22] |Slacker| (1000@189.116.58.30) joined ##slackware. [15:25] :S i have a fan somewhere thats chirping like a bird [15:25] I think its the case fan, hope so those are cheap to replace [15:26] give it some seeds, it's probably hungry [15:26] haha [15:26] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [15:26] BVX (~error@boringvx.stalker.fi) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:26] KaMii, be proud, you have a fan! [15:27] but fan in Swedish means fuk, or well literally satan, but its used as a swear word [15:27] asarch (~asarch@189.188.157.41) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:28] so, it'd be the rear fan being broken? hmmmm [15:28] lol [15:28] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [15:28] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: disconnecting. [15:29] jonsmith1982 (~jon@89.241.12.235) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:30] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [15:30] BVX (~error@boringvx.stalker.fi) joined ##slackware. [15:32] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:33] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-53-126.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:35] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:35] nille_ (1000@m83-188-184-209.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [15:40] kimjeng (~mike@41.72.203.46) joined ##slackware. [15:41] Genk1 (~Genk1@41.137.56.93) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:43] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:44] if you have 2 hobbies, 1 linux, 1 cooking, you will never be bored ever again in your life on Earth [15:46] agreed [15:48] or you end up burning the kitchen down [15:49] linux isnt a hobby. its either a job, or a waste of time [15:49] KaMii: did you ever make it to the United States? [15:49] sahko: Kidding? [15:49] i think it can be a hobby [15:49] You're a towel. [15:49] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-166-180-165.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:51] jgeboski: saturday [15:51] we leave saturday [15:51] KaMii: nice [15:51] sahko: linux has been a hobby for me for years. I just started "officially" using it last year (for phd work) [15:51] no, im terrified of flying [15:51] before was just for personal light use [15:52] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-155-9-253.range109-155.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:53] the game [15:54] maco (~maco@ubuntu/member/maco) joined ##slackware. [15:54] raela: nice i also use it mainly for personal (read curiosity) use but will now use it "officially" for my final year project to [15:54] *too [15:54] awesome :) [15:56] jdetring (~jay@adsl-70-234-160-63.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:57] anyone have an issue where evince opens up a doc and the window extends beyond the bottom of the viewable screen? [15:57] thats standard gnome behaviour :p [15:58] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-155-9-253.range109-155.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:59] mancha: remembers the window size? usually, I use alt+rightclick [15:59] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-152-118-35.range109-152.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:59] it's always the same size? 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" <- impossible -_- [16:18] kingbeowulf (~kingbeowu@c-71-59-193-120.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:19] you just made me sad because I understand them all ='( [16:19] kingbeowulf (~kingbeowu@c-71-59-193-120.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:22] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [16:26] Roin (~florian@p5B2BEDA7.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya o/ [16:28] nille_ (1000@m83-188-184-209.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:35] |Slacker| (1000@189.116.58.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:37] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:39] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:44] arfon (~arfon@66.87.1.101) joined ##slackware. [16:44] Howdy [16:45] the RSA key in .ssh/authorized_keys are all public keys... [16:45] Is it a bad idea to put them on a public server? [16:46] maybe, maybe not [16:46] arfon: depends on th epurpose [16:46] do you trust the root user? [16:47] Well... I'm getting tired of typing passwords... AND I'm getting tired of copying keys across abunch of machines. So I wanted to write a script to snag my keys off of all of my machines and write them to 1 file.... [16:47] Then write another script to download that file to all of my machines [16:47] And I was thinking of using my webserver machine as the hub. [16:48] but, I was thinking, what if the web server gets compromised, do I care if these keys get out... [16:48] logia_th (~nmo@81.34.121.77) joined ##slackware. [16:48] Opinions? [16:50] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:52] biometrics? [16:52] Don't you have a plane to catch? [16:52] :P [16:52] dont remind me [16:52] :( [16:52] unixlearner (~bnhashmi@119.153.146.162) joined ##slackware. [16:52] hi all [16:53] i need to create a bash script to connect a website and and calculate the time it takes for a successful login [16:53] what kind of login? [16:53] what protocol [16:53] http [16:54] maybe wget can do it [16:54] time => variabble; wget --user --pass; time => variable [16:54] varible 2 - varibale 1 [16:54] I NEED a spell checker [16:54] :set spell on [16:54] aspell [16:54] Exist any method, patch or possibility for stop name resolution in syslogd part of sysklogd original slackware package? [16:55] There's also a command that's optional in Slackware that says "calculates the time a command takes to execute" but I can't remember the name. [16:55] /dcc send arfon aspell-foo.t?z [16:55] arfon: time [16:56] Yeah, that's it... never played with it though [16:56] cant nmap do that also? [16:56] afron: can you explain a bit i am new to scripting [16:56] or trace strace? something like that? [16:57] thumbs go on hands :) [16:57] Oh, I sux at it but if I were to do it, I'd get the time to a variable using date & cut [16:57] then I would execute wget with the username and password otions [16:57] then get the secod time and subtract the seconds [16:58] that sounds complex [16:58] just use 'time wget --user=user --pass=password website.com' [16:58] veritos (veritos@207.155.204.151.ptr.us.xo.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:58] did set spel on work? [16:58] arfon: reading back, your self analyses is right, you can't spell worth a damn [16:58] :( [16:59] soz, had to [16:59] Awww. I'm a complex person [16:59] :) [16:59] s/analyses/analysis [16:59] How can I be bothered with trivalities such as spelling? [16:59] dive: it was plural :) [16:59] o0 [16:59] o0 indeed [17:00] dustybin: didnt work [17:00] Jedman (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/jedman) joined ##slackware. [17:00] dive: how've you been :) [17:00] fine thanks :) [17:00] yourself? [17:01] overworked, generally knackered, but holiday is coming soon :) [17:01] good to hear [17:02] s/hear/read/ ? [17:02] haha [17:02] ;p [17:03] i hate when people leave blank messages on my answerphone! [17:03] unixlearner: I like dive's solution [17:03] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:04] afron:thanks let me check [17:04] Thank dive, he's the time-master [17:05] nah [17:05] if it works, you are [17:06] vastina: who are you again? [17:06] dive:thanks a lot actully i want to calcute response time to my website [17:06] unixlearner: benchmark it instead. [17:06] unixlearner: look into siege, jmeter [17:07] Are you using Firefox? [17:07] thumbs go on hands :) [17:07] I recall there were some websites devoted to site benchmarking [17:07] i want to do it with some script and then will use nagios to monitor using that script [17:07] unixlearner: timing a wget is hardly a reliable benchmark [17:07] Man, you like pain [17:08] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-197.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:08] what can be the solution [17:08] 42 [17:08] unixlearner: use siege or jmeter [17:08] what's the question? [17:09] thumbs on hands is right, too many variables with http and host communication to rely on time() as a valuable benchmark [17:09] i want to calculate response time to my website using some script [17:09] unixlearner: use siege or jmeter [17:09] unixlearner: or ab, for very simple results. [17:09] is seige or jmeter cli? [17:09] arfon: sure. [17:10] Is not moore efficient python for this type of work? [17:10] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:10] So he could run them as commands in his script and do whatever with the results? [17:10] arfon: sure. [17:10] boooo python [17:10] rafu (~rafu@127-226-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:10] kingbeowulf (~kingbeowu@c-71-59-193-120.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:10] Try that unixlearner, run them as a cli command and parse the response with your script [17:11] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) left irc: Quit: And I can't put the needle in... [17:11] unixlearner: tracert will be different for everyone who accesses your website [17:11] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-166-185.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:11] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@host17-247-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[17:15] cuba33ci (~cuba33ci@111-240-206-196.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:18] soooo, no opinions on keeping a file with all of my public keys on my webserver? [17:19] Nothing wrong with that? [17:19] As long as they are public keys :-) [17:19] Oh yeah and don't mess up like me and end up forgetting your GPG-passphrase O:-) [17:19] Well, all right.... Unixlerner, write me a script! [17:20] Script? [17:20] Just put 'm in your apache dir? [17:20] I forgot my truecrypt password once... ONCE. [17:20] I think about the measuring, Is comparable the time of your machine and route, with others? [17:20] Does anyone know if the 64-bit kernel upgrade requires a rebuild of your initrd? [17:25] Zosma: I think not [17:25] Okidoki... I'll give it a go :-0 [17:27] cr4ck (~unknown@187.53.139.207) joined ##slackware. [17:27] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [17:27] cr4ck` (~unknown@189.72.186.109) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:27] mancha: as per the evince thing, yes. [17:27] alienBOB: mmm the readme in the FTP directory says it's needed. [17:28] What readme? [17:28] chopp, i am fixing it now... do you use xfce? [17:29] mancha: no, fluxbox. I'm able to control that within my menu, but otherwise it opens like you mentioned. [17:29] Zosma: comment by volkerdi: "... Existing modules work fine with the new kernels" [17:29] The point is i need to login, compare what is returned with a known string on the page (something like: You are not a member of any groups) and then logout and see if the output has another known string and then just log the time taken for each step (login, logout) [17:29] Nick change: Urugami -> Gami_car [17:29] chopp ah, gotcha. thanks for the reply. [17:30] so siege is not the solution for me [17:30] mancha: you're welcome. [17:30] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.3.248.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:30] alienBOB: this one ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware64-13.1/patches/packages/linux-2.6.33.4-2/README [17:30] But it's probably copied over from the original. [17:30] wow new dbus [17:33] arfon: you were talking about the script [17:38] Sorry, wha...? [17:39] arfon: script to calculate response time to a web with username and password [17:40] unixlearner: can yo PM me so we don't turn this into #bash? [17:41] alienBOB: sorry to bug you again... but it seems vmlinuz-generic-2.6.34-smp didn't get updated. [17:41] Only the non-smp. [17:41] And huge for that matter. [17:42] Zosma: the 32-bit kernels were not affected [17:42] no security note in slackware.come [17:42] Slackware64 does not have a separate "-smp" kernel image. All 64-bit Slackware kernels are SMP [17:43] DarkHack (xterm@lol.you.are.bleedingouttheass.co.cc) joined ##slackware. [17:43] DarkHack (xterm@lol.you.are.bleedingouttheass.co.cc) left irc: Changing host [17:43] DarkHack (xterm@unaffiliated/darkhack) joined ##slackware. [17:43] alienBOB: mmm weird... I do have it in my /boot directory on 64-bit Slackware 13.1 [17:43] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2754896 2010-06-04 08:20 vmlinuz-generic-2.6.34-smp [17:43] mancha, security mailing list just came through with it [17:44] Slackware never shipped a 2.6.34 anything. [17:44] dive ah ok. either someone remembered or noticed my earlier bitching :) [17:44] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:45] rworkman: snap... I think it might be my custom one. [17:46] heh [17:46] Zosma, here we strictly use the Z-snap [17:46] Zosma: that's a pretty safe thought process :) [17:46] :-) [17:46] My mind's getting old :-( [17:46] I know the feeling [17:46] It's because my el-cheapo SATA-controller needed a patch to work. [17:47] Some developer at VIA fixed it in the end... but it only got included in .34 [17:48] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:48] Well... time to look up the patchset then. [17:50] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:50] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:50] Anyone know where they are? The CVE entry is under review. [17:51] Ah balls.. might as well install the latest kernel. [17:52] Hey, what's the command to get current unix time? [17:53] nille_ (1000@m83-178-242-111.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [17:53] troy (~troy@66.135.115.43) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:53] date --unix? [17:53] date +%S [17:53] TY [17:53] no problem-oh [17:53] No :P [17:53] eek [17:54] date +%s [17:54] typo'd a cap's on the "s" [17:54] the unix time is NOT 13 (unless I went too close to that black hole I have) [17:54] THAT'S the stuff! [17:54] lowercase grasshopper [17:54] TY [17:54] :> [17:54] I'm a copy-n-paste fool [17:56] well, g'night guys.... [17:56] arfon (~arfon@66.87.1.101) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:00] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [18:02] radu (~radu@78.96.140.88) joined ##slackware. [18:03] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:06] radu (~radu@78.96.140.88) left irc: Client Quit [18:06] FrankD (~FrankD@cpe-24-161-1-107.hvc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:09] troy (~troy@66.135.115.43) joined ##slackware. [18:09] mrcoffee (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [18:09] logia_th (~nmo@81.34.121.77) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:10] Gami_car (~AndChat@64.sub-97-199-209.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [18:12] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:13] "date +%S" just now gave me 42. ha ha! I love coincidences that lead to "Hitchhiker's" refernces [18:14] there are no coincidences! [18:15] So say the Illuminati [18:15] Action: Necos blinks [18:15] if you blick you will miss it [18:16] er...blink [18:16] how can i start a one line command automatically right after my X is up? im a bit tired for googling tbh :\ [18:16] heh...working at home office today ... just woke up from a nap. dont tell the boss [18:17] pupit: at the end of your .xinitrc [18:17] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-246-71.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:17] or the beginning, whatever you like [18:17] adaptr: thanks :) [18:17] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-166-185.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] pupit, yep .xinitrc I put a few doodads there [18:18] look through all the startup files in /etc/X11.. they form a freaky chain of crap that extends to about a dozen files [18:18] it's flexible, sure, but did it have to be THAT flexible ? [18:18] heh [18:18] we must ask Pat [18:19] why ? he didn't program X [18:19] dunno then [18:19] pupit i would probably use my DE's or WM's default startup scripts [18:20] X had to be all things to all people. [18:21] you can make an xstartup file too, if you like, or use your WMs startup file - but that's wayy after X has started [18:21] mancha: yes it is reasonable but for now its only for synergyc so its not so important to be in DE scripts [18:21] you did say immediately after [18:21] i did adaptr [18:21] that would be xinitrc :) [18:22] also, if its just a one-liner...why not add it such as "startx && mycmd.sh" [18:23] heh, i like you all.. lots of tips :) [18:25] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Quit: "And I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man she is to keep silent" - 1 Timothy 2:12 [18:25] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-246-71.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:29] if i were to setup X forwarding, the client computer would be processing the display, right? so i could run an X server on my old desktop and have my new laptop use it's gpu when it's a client? [18:30] yowza [18:30] the "client" computer would run the X server [18:31] ... [18:31] i don't know about old, new, or the other shizznitz you talk about [18:31] okay, let me be more specific. [18:31] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [18:32] i have an old computer with a large harddrive that stores a lot of media. it can't play the high definition videos with it's gpu, but my laptop can. [18:32] i'm wondering if there is any way i can use X forwarding to play them on the laptop if i installed VLC on the old desktop [18:32] Share the files out over NFS. [18:32] zaltekk: an X server provides a display. this does not have to run applications that interface with the display. the applications are X clients. it's assbackwards, but there you have it. [18:32] anyone try to recover data off a usb drive that's password protected? (sandisk cruzer) [18:32] zaltekk: But if you run vlc on the slow machine, it's gonna be slow. [18:32] fdisk doesn't even show partitions but the launchershit comes up in windows [18:33] zalteckk, the best it to set up the files so they can be accessed via nfs, samba, http, etc [18:33] jeev: can you mount it? [18:33] well, when i tried using nfs it was extremely slow transfering files. [18:33] zaltekk: FGS share the media and play it locally [18:33] zaltekk: that's why you use CIFS [18:33] negative, dd if=/dev/sdb says no medium found. [18:33] CIFS meaning samba...? [18:33] what about dmesg when you plug it in jeev [18:33] meaning CIFS. it's a protocol [18:33] samba has its own overhead issues [18:34] it's scrolling write protect is off, attached scsi removable disk, attached scsi generic sg1 type 0 write protect is off.. scrolling it in messages [18:34] yes zaltekk in linux samba does the smb and cifs implementation [18:34] NFS works for streaming ok but you need to tweak it [18:34] kingbeowulf: trivial and irrelevant when streaming $whatever over ethernet [18:34] mount /dev/sg1 /mnt/foo ? [18:35] right. what i am trying to figure out is where the video processing would take place if i used xforwarding to run vlc [18:35] no such file or dir [18:35] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:35] zaltekk: The slow machine. [18:35] adamk, sure..unless you using coax or older 10MB ethernet [18:35] zaltekk: It still has to process the video. [18:35] kingbeowulf: Wrong person. [18:35] the video processing would be in the connecting client machine [18:35] jeev: I'm assuming you knew to make foo = some mount point in /mnt/ you already created [18:35] I have a mix of 100Mbs and 1Gbs LAN and NSF streams just fine [18:35] jeev: like /mnt/usbdrive or somesuch [18:36] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [18:36] did i just get two opposite answers? [18:36] adamk, oops stupid autocomplete [18:36] yes. [18:36] jeev: hmmm [18:36] why wouldn't i be able to clone it though [18:36] you are not talking about using vlc to stream but rather running vlc over an x-forward, right? [18:36] jeev: unsure [18:36] mancha: yes, he wants to run vlc on the old, SLOW machine, because.. well, I have no clue [18:36] mancha: well, could you explain both cases? [18:36] zaltekk: we have, several times now [18:36] SHARE THE MEDIA. run a player on you rlaptop [18:36] scroll is mode sense: 45 00 00 08 assuming drive cache write through [18:37] zaltekk, the slower CPU/GPU should not be ued to process the video [18:37] i've been told answers that contradict each other =/ [18:37] zalteck, sorry, too many things going on and too many people, i've grown confused, i;'ll let others answer. [18:37] zaltekk: incorrect [18:37] jeev: are you tailing a log or is that dmesg that keep scrolling? [18:37] that was tailing but it's saying message been repeated .. [18:37] kingbeowulf: in fact, if he's running VLC on a the remote slow machine, it has to decode he video in CPU, and stream the RAW video to the X server. utter double fail fail. [18:38] adamk said the machine running vlc would process the video, and mancha said the machine displaying the video would process it [18:38] adaptr, indeed [18:38] what about just dmesg after you plug? [18:38] zaltekk: nope [18:38] (or was that the sg1 reference?_ [18:38] sg1 [18:38] zaltekk: every reference has been to sanity. share the media! [18:39] hexhawk (~hawk@unaffiliated/hexhawk) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:39] adaptr: so the machine running vlc would decode the video. so the ideal setup(outside of a network file system) would be to run VLC on the fast hardware and display it on the slow hardware? [18:39] zaltekk: no. [18:39] so the other way around? [18:39] jeev: I'm not sure, this might be over my head, but I'm pretty sure I was able to mount and then clone a protected usbkey, though it has been some years [18:39] what you call "slow" hardware can easily stream 25mbit, i.e. FULL HD, video to network clients [18:40] yea i'm not sure why it wont work.. she's failed at guessing the password and it's considered inaccessable [18:40] adaptr: but it can't decode 1080p h264 [18:40] perhaps it's just gone? but launchpad still shows up in windows.. the partition is there, no ? [18:40] which is what i was asking [18:40] the client will read, decode, and render the video, because those tasks take resources [18:40] ok. Here is what I have and use: I have old and new systems. some of the old system have big HD. I use NFS to share mount points with newer systems with fast CPU/GPU to play audio and video. Some files I have on a 500 GB NAS on my router as well. [18:40] zaltekk: you really need to start listening [18:40] adaptr: every time i ask to confirm i get told no. so i state the opposite and get told no. it's quite confusing. [18:40] briareus this just seems like the device keeps resetting itself [18:41] using the power of X client/server is so retro 70s [18:41] jeev: unsure. sorry wish I could help more. I'd ask again, someone else quite probably knows more than I do here :) [18:41] you have not yet explored all permutations, so no, you haven't stated the exact opposite yet [18:41] thanks [18:42] zaltekk: 1. share media. 2. access shared media. 3. load media in player. [18:42] adaptr, YES! Exactly! what he said! [18:42] it's not rocket science. [18:42] dios_mio (net@78.179.72.76) joined ##slackware. [18:42] that still doesn't answer my question of how xforwarding would work [18:42] kingbeowulf: I know YOU understand it - now to get him to [18:42] which is why i am still asking [18:42] dios_mio (net@78.179.72.76) left ##slackware. [18:43] adaptr: because I want to understand how something would work, not to be told another way to do it. [18:43] zaltekk: why do you think you need x forwarding? [18:43] zaltekk: that's utter nonsense. you want to play video. don't mess with irrelevancies [18:43] thumbs: i know i don't need it. i want to know how it would work [18:43] X forwarding if you need a remote X display OR you have a powerfull mainframe and dumb clients [18:43] zaltekk: google. read documentation. [18:43] zaltekk: It would work slowly. Period :-) [18:44] zaltekk: find a better use case for x forwarding. [18:44] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:44] sigh...i need more coffee [18:44] zaltekk x11 forwarding forwards the stuff to a remote "server" [18:44] thumbs: it isn't about the use case. i just want to know where the decoding would take place [18:44] the client apps looking for the "server" are still local [18:45] VLC Is doing the decoding. So whatever machine is running VLC is decoding it. [18:45] The machine running the X server is simply dumping images to the video card through X11 or Xv (or GL, etc.) [18:45] so if you x11-forward "xterm" then the machine doing the forwarding is running xterm and it is being displayed on the machne being forwarded to [18:46] okay, thankyou [18:46] if you do this with vlc, the decoding of the video will happen on the machine doing the x11-forward's cpu/gpu [18:47] X server does all the work, X client (ie dumb terminal) just displays pretty pictures. [18:47] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [18:47] the opposite [18:47] kingbeowulf: well, unless the client is a terminal running folding@home [18:47] the target of the x11-forward is the x server [18:48] do you guys remember netrek? [18:48] ferdna (~yup@cpe-24-92-114-97.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:48] lol [18:48] i still don't see why x11 forwarding is being considered if the goal is to have the video decoded/rendered remotely [18:49] mancha, same here. [18:49] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:49] just curious [18:49] ok, fair enough. [18:49] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] The simplest solution is often the best [18:50] in that case, go to a movie theater! [18:50] but the movie theater doesn't play these movies anymore =/ [18:50] inject the analog images directly into your retina [18:51] the best situation is to have either the old machine with the videos mountable as a share (nfs, samba, etc) or serve up the raw video via some protocol (http, or raw stream) [18:51] Futurama: "eyePhone" [18:52] mancha: i was actually pondering having the laptop read the video through nfs, decode it in vlc, and have the desktop display it [18:52] on the stream, make sure it requires no server-side processing [18:52] ffmpeg project has a streaming to clients functions as does mplayer/mencoder [18:52] kingbeowulf: is that the easiest? [18:52] DarkHack (xterm@unaffiliated/darkhack) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:52] zalteck, so basically you use the laptop for its cpu only [18:53] briareus, easier than playing with X! [18:53] in this case you can use x11 forwarding in the other direction! [18:53] mancha: i'd _like_ to show the video on the desktop's monitor [18:53] but the desktop isn't powerful enough to play the video [18:53] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:53] have the laptop x11 forward to the desktop and have he laptpo's vlc play a video from an nfs mount of the desktop [18:53] right...i think that's what i just tried to say [18:53] plug the desktop monitor into the laptop :-) [18:54] adamk: if only the monitor took hdmi =/ [18:54] adamk: :) [18:54] oh, and when you do this, turn off the lights in the room and stare at your hub's leds [18:54] it is connected to the desktop with a DVI-I(i think it's -I) cable [18:54] Mind you, if the GPU in the desktop is really low end, it could even have problems keeping up with the video. [18:54] well, it is a decent gpu. or was about 6 years ago. [18:55] but it doesn't do hardware decoding like my laptops gpu [18:55] offloading things like h264 makes a lot of difference [18:55] 6 years is about 17 generations in GPU terms [18:55] though that's grown moot these days [18:55] h.264 wasn't even used for HD video then [18:56] the desktop has an ati radeon 9500 pro pci [18:56] the laptop has an nvidia 9800m gts [18:56] is radeon 9500 that bad? [18:56] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [18:57] mancha: it can't play 720p h264 [18:57] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [18:57] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [18:57] zaltekk: Bear in mind that the nvidia will only be able to do hardware decoding if it's displaying to the same machine it's decoding on, I believe. [18:57] That's my understanding, anyway. [18:57] adamk: hmm =/ [18:57] no need to believe, that fact is obvious [18:57] Yeah, it needs direct access to the GPU. [18:58] Since, well, it's the GPU doing the processing and displaying. [18:58] so i'd have to use the cpu to decode it [18:58] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:58] which would still be way faster [18:58] Correct. [18:58] what is the 9500, an r300? [18:58] Yes. [18:58] mancha: yep. with 128mb of ram [18:59] ok so around 300mhz [18:59] probably a bit shy of that [19:00] why can't it display 720p h264? [19:00] The radeon driver doesn't do any video decoding. [19:00] So it's all falling back to the CPU. [19:00] IIRC, someone is slowly working on that within the gallium3d infrastructure. [19:00] right, i am wondering about the comment that it can't display a 720p h264 vid [19:01] mancha: it's really choppy [19:01] Can anyone think of any security issues, should I `chown apache:apache /var/www/htdcos `. [19:01] with tearing [19:01] it needn't be, imho, unless you're on a 486 [19:02] it's an athlon64 3000+ [19:02] what proc speed is that? 3 gig? [19:02] http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2010/09/flex-builder-for-linux-project-ending.html [19:02] mancha: no, it's not 3ghz. let me check [19:02] WhiteMagic (~white@client114-net214.acfr.usyd.edu.au) joined ##slackware. [19:03] 1.8 maybe? [19:03] none of that sounds like a bottleneck to me [19:03] well, it's never been able to. [19:03] or it'd be hooked up to my tv [19:07] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [19:07] what are you using to play the videos? [19:07] vlc [19:08] have you tried mplayer? [19:08] no [19:08] imo, vlc is what i would call a work-in-progress [19:08] really? it's always been great for me(except on windows where i've seen a few bugs) [19:09] well choppy h264 video is not what i would call "great: [19:09] it isn't choppy though. [19:09] Gimped (~Gimped@c-98-248-193-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:09] at least not on my laptop [19:09] ok, can you get the other zatekk back the one with the choppy video problem on his 9500 :) [19:10] lol [19:10] sure. [19:10] is he back? [19:10] lets try this routine again. what do you use to play the video? :) [19:10] vlc [19:10] troy (~troy@66.135.115.43) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:11] oh i use (s)mplayer [19:11] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [19:13] mrcoffee: again, vlc. [19:13] unixlearner (~bnhashmi@119.153.146.162) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:14] troy (~troy@66.135.115.43) joined ##slackware. [19:15] alarmscript (~alarmscri@205.Red-88-26-179.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] can anyone point me to a bash script that triggers an alarm, that is play an mp3 file if someone unplugs my netbook's AC adapter? [19:16] Cr1kk4 (~alpha@93-41-234-163.ip83.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [19:18] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [19:20] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431056.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:21] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [19:22] alarmscript, isnt there something in you power applet (KDE, Xfce, or whatever) to do that? [19:23] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/20/windows_code_execution_vuln/ [19:23] no, there is not [19:23] some day I'll have windows purged completely from my house [19:25] I'm sporting an occasional xp vm for running autocad, but that's it [19:25] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-69-59-106-207.nctv.com) left irc: Quit: reboot [19:26] alarmscript: kde does that. what desktop environment do you use? [19:26] gnome [19:26] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:26] alarmscript: you may want to check with #gnome folks, there should be that functionality [19:26] Gimped (~Gimped@c-98-248-193-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] gnome has all sorts of system notification bells and whistles but I havent used it in ages [19:28] alarmscript: so you're asking for help with something that doesn't even come with slackware? :) [19:28] Gimped (~Gimped@c-98-248-193-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [19:29] lol [19:29] Gimped (~Gimped@c-98-248-193-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:29] alarmscript, what distro ARE you running? [19:29] ananke, valm! [19:30] alarmscript (alarmscri@205.Red-88-26-179.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:30] looks like a "rage quit" [19:30] cr4ck (~unknown@187.53.139.207) left irc: [19:34] hey, how would I change the alsa capture source from "Mic" to "Line in" from a script? [19:35] amixer set [19:37] anyone running the patched 2.6.33.4 kernel? [19:38] frk (~jcn@187.58.159.125) joined ##slackware. [19:39] gniks: something wrong with it? [19:40] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-69-59-106-207.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [19:41] apparently quota_tree.ko conficts wtih qtree_release_dquot (owned by kernel) [19:45] or it exports duplicate symbol anyway :p [19:46] Mmm not running it myself... [19:46] If it's really an issue for you, you can always mail patrick himself. [19:46] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:47] gniks: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/flaw-in-latest-kernel-upgrades-833831/ [19:47] naw, i can fix it, just wondering if anyone else is seeing it [19:47] maybe you can contribute to that [19:50] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:50] hey boys and girls [19:51] hexhawk (~hawk@unaffiliated/hexhawk) joined ##slackware. [19:51] just saw this, my old truck for sale http://www.commercialtrucktrader.com/find/listing/photos/97285418/ [19:51] sahko: thats for slack 14, they are testing 2.6.25.x there, im running 13.1 2.6.33.4 with the 32bit ELF exploit patch [19:52] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [19:52] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. 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[20:24] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:24] ph|ber (~cking@c-98-251-190-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] yht-GoHome (~yht@118.96.121.225) joined ##slackware. [20:32] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-69-59-106-207.nctv.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:32] nille_ (1000@m83-178-242-111.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:32] gabriel (1000@190.163.25.159) joined ##slackware. [20:37] OT but cool nontheless: http://www.asc-csa.gc.ca/eng/astronomy/auroramax/default.asp [20:42] Nick change: yht-GoHome -> yht [20:53] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.243.130) joined ##slackware. [20:53] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [20:57] frk (~jcn@187.58.159.125) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:58] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [21:00] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [21:01] newslacker (~root@207-119-200-122.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] frk (~jcn@187.58.159.125) joined ##slackware. [21:05] ferdna (~yup@cpe-24-92-114-97.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [21:07] I have a question but im not exactly sure how to phrase it. [21:07] jdetring (~jay@adsl-71-153-138-155.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [21:10] sir, we need a question mark to proceed. [21:10] dont forget that [21:10] im wondering how people know whats in all of these odd ball logs and config files and stuff when you make changes to stuff and fix stuff? Im talking about the stuff thats beyond whats talked about in the slackbook and the wiki. Do you just memorize the entire system or is there a special way that you search to find out what works with what ? [21:10] you.... read docs [21:10] ? [21:10] It would take a pretty huge memory to remember whats in every single config log or var file out there [21:11] Im wondering if there is some kind of trick to searching for that kind of stuff or what. [21:11] so just remember /usr/share/doc/ [21:11] google? [21:12] yahooooo [21:12] byteframe: are you excited? or suggesting a search engine? =P [21:13] I see so there really is no special way to search for that kind of stuff. You just google it and see what others have done [21:13] newslacker: or you google and find the relevant projects documentation [21:13] You start out easy, and keep building on what you have learned. [21:13] Cr1kk4 (alpha@93-41-234-163.ip83.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. [21:14] solve problems as they arise [21:14] troy (~troy@66.135.115.43) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:14] most programs that have config files and such alos have documentation that explain them, its just a matter of reading and learning what you need [21:14] and yeah, you'd be surprised how much you can remember [21:14] you;'d be surprised at how much you can forget [21:15] I asked because when ive asked questions before people threw out names of files and stuff about the slackware system that wasnt talked about in the wiki or book. [21:15] mancha: i'm thankfully young enough to not know about that yt =P [21:15] So i was just wondering how the hell they know that unless they memorized the whole os lol [21:16] experience of many years can really add up to a lot of knowledge [21:16] newslacker: have you ever used windows? [21:16] newslacker some people know the stuff from years of using it and other know the stuff form having heard on ##slackware from people with years of experience using stuff :) [21:16] newslacker: when you ask a large room of people, you're polling a lot of stored knowledge [21:16] not everyone knows everything, but lots of people know some things. [21:17] ya i know i was just wondering how the people found it originally in order to be able to help others like me lol so i wouldnt need to ask so many questions lol [21:17] project docs, i'd guess [21:18] that's where i learn most of what i know [21:18] tbh, i've not really read much of the slackbook [21:18] Urugami (~AndChat@adsl-6-72-51.msy.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:18] Urugami (~AndChat@adsl-240-174-165.msy.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] WhiteMagic (~white@client114-net214.acfr.usyd.edu.au) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [21:19] newslacker: after learning/knowing the basics youd go on your own shining path as rest [21:19] alright so theres not really any set tricks or commands to use i keep track of the projects websites and read any files that came with the package [21:20] |Slacker| (~cris@189.26.14.112.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:20] or you can take my magic "know all of linux" pill [21:20] mancha: and then slowly forget it all? [21:20] i have only a few left, so a downpayment of $1000 to my paypal will secure you get one [21:20] haha if you had such a pill i bet it would sell for quite a bit [21:21] mancha: how often to I have to take one to combat the memory loss? [21:21] they're blue and say viagra but that is just to confuse the *bsd users [21:21] now that i got that out of the way is there a way to list every package in my system so i know what dependencies i need to get compared to what i have [21:21] mancha: so that tail on the *bsd devil is really a..... oooooooh. [21:22] lay off the mary-jane and your memory should be fine [21:22] hexhawk: is that why none of my friends can remember _anything_? [21:22] like a bsd user would get laid [21:22] geez. [21:23] hehe, probably [21:24] Now that i got that out of the way is there a way to list every package in my system so i know what dependencies i need to get compared to what i have? Haha forgot the question mark lol [21:24] ls /var/log/packages/ [21:26] yay thats alot better then waiting for errors in software to to find out whats missing [21:27] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:27] good devs tell you what their apps need [21:27] bad devs, well who wants to run apps written by bad devs... [21:27] lol good one [21:28] newslacker: pkgtool [21:28] what about pkgtool ? [21:29] it has most of the options you need for playing with pkgs and slack [21:29] just don [21:29] kingbeowulf (~kingbeowu@c-71-59-193-120.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:29] ahh i see [21:29] just don't play with your package in public. [21:30] 2nd, if you did, dont mention it to anyone.. [21:30] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [21:32] Do any of you use that slapt-get or gslapt program [21:32] nope [21:32] nope [21:32] only pkgtool and sbopkg [21:33] slackpkg and sbopkg [21:33] I have the prog but it doesnt really do any good for me . [21:34] Your suppose to add in links to a file to 3d party software for it to download . But sites i know of I dont see a direct link to add to the prog [21:34] troy (~troy@66.135.115.43) joined ##slackware. [21:34] MSRibeiro (~Matheus@186.213.173.10) joined ##slackware. [21:34] newslacker: have you heard about slackbuilds? [21:35] MSRibeiro (Matheus@186.213.173.10) left ##slackware ("Fui embora"). [21:35] yep use it all the time :P [21:36] newslacker, slapt-get really only works against repositories like LinuxPackages.net, and even then, the dependency info is totally optional for the package maintainer. [21:36] ya but i dont know the link to the linuxpackages.net sites download page [21:36] cause it has a search thing on the main page and i dont see it go to another page for the download [21:37] It is on the mirror page, use any of the HTTP or FTP addresses they list [21:37] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:37] You don't give it the link to an individual package, you give it the link for the whole repository [21:37] yeah, that'll work well [21:37] good luck [21:38] i tried that but it went to 13.0 and not 13.1 [21:38] he says he uses slackbuilds all the time, yet asks about slapt-get... [21:38] i tried putting in the .1 and it said the link didnt exist [21:39] you can always use more places for software pupit [21:40] Not really. You should try to stick with one method, and SlackBuilds are the excepted way of adding/updating software outside of the official package set. [21:41] thats not the point newslacker [21:42] I used to be big into LP.net, in fact I was on the list of top 10 contributors when I was active. But the whole site (and to a degree, concept) is really broken. [21:42] Ya but sometimes you need software that isnt at that site. [21:43] What site? [21:43] troy (~troy@66.135.115.43) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:43] was talking about slackbuilds its a good site ill admit that but that doesnt mean there isnt software out there that isnt on that site [21:44] which slackbuilds? [21:44] Uh, then you just use the template SlackBuild and do your own. [21:44] does linuxpackages.net make the slackbuilds available? [21:44] Probably 95% of SlackBuilds are identical anyway, the SlackBuilds site is really just a repository of the ones that AREN'T necessarily identical. The ones that needed special attention. [21:45] hexhawk, It is not a requirement, but they do suggest that packages install the SlackBuild file they were built with [21:46] Wow, I actually am still on the top contributors list. That is kind of sad, really. I haven't contributed since Slack 12.0 [21:47] hehe [21:47] hm... why would my remote shell only update the last three/four lines... [21:47] jrsharp (~jrsharp@c-71-228-254-187.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:47] i just tried to add the mirror page of linuxpackages and it still said that link isnt available for 13.1 [21:47] jrsharp (jrsharp@c-71-228-254-187.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [21:47] it's like not updating the whole screen [21:48] newslacker, What is the link you are using? Have you tried simply pasting it into your browser and seeing what comes up? [21:48] jrsharp (~jrsharp@c-71-228-254-187.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:48] how do I disable the console framebuffer? I have set vga=normal in lilo.conf, but halfway through boot, I still get "switching to color framebuffer..." [21:48] EthanG (~none@sourcemage/guru/eekee) joined ##slackware. [21:49] hah [21:49] SOURCE=ftp://ftp.de-mirror.org/linuxpackages//Slackware-13.1 [21:49] hola... anyone know how to turn of this idiotic modifier-key-locking? I can hardly use some programs because ctrl or shift gets stuck on [21:49] Entulho (~foo@189.4.109.89) joined ##slackware. [21:50] the thing on the site said to add that link an use the num instead of the xx and i used 13.1 and it says the link dont exist when i try to use it [21:50] troy (~troy@66.135.115.43) joined ##slackware. [21:50] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:50] newslacker: theres no 13.1 repository [21:50] That sucks then [21:51] nor 13.0 [21:51] so theres no repository for my os :( [21:51] that should be a good sign to look elsewhere [21:51] Yeah, really [21:52] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-72-44.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [21:52] newslacker: what do you need anyway? [21:53] i was gonna use it to try to get any dependancies i may need to get a couple of games to work that i downloaded from slackbuilds [21:53] since im not sure what may be missing [21:53] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Quit: restarting screen [21:53] Man, this site has really fallen apart. I don't know why he just doesn't hand the whole thing over to somebody who knows what they are doing [21:53] there are templates on slackbuilds.org that will help you write your own slackbuild so that you can share it with others as well [21:53] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488EE9F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] ok, wtf? [21:54] supertux and the supertuxracer game act up when i try to play them after i installed them through slackbuilds [21:54] Gimped (~Gimped@c-98-248-193-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] so i thought maybe i have a dependancy missing that they both may need to work [21:54] rofl [21:54] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [21:54] so you go to LP.net? [21:55] can someone enlighten me as to what an 'extended partition table' might be? not to be mistaken for an 'extended partition', btw [21:55] ahaha [21:55] slapt-get checks dependancies thats why [21:55] figured it may see something missing that i dont [21:56] yeah, my mother fixes my lilo so i can boot in... [21:56] newslacker, Not in any reliable way it doesn't. The only way it can check dependencies is if the package maintainer manually put them in, and nobody ever does [21:56] I see [21:56] supertux is great, it kept me up way past my bedtime many nights [21:57] But if you built the games from source on your system with SlackBuilds, then you already have meet all the dependencies. It wouldn't have built otherwise [21:57] is supertuxracer any good? [21:58] goj (~goj@p5488EFB1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [21:58] Dont know lol doesnt work right on my screen [21:58] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:58] hrmm, ok will d/l; is it a car racing game? [21:58] There could be any number of problems with the game and the system setup, but it isn't because you are missing any dependencies. [21:59] tux on a sled right? [22:00] well i dont know what the problems would be im new at this . I thought slackbuilds was built for slackware so what would be wrong with it [22:00] long (~long@115.173.26.162) joined ##slackware. [22:00] newslacker i think your mindset is wrong; you need to accept that there is a 99.99% chance you messed up and 0.01% that slackbuilds.org did. [22:00] newslacker: its probably not the slackbuild but a driver issue with X or an X configuration issue [22:01] I'm not even sure how to respond to that. There are thousands of things that could go wrong when installing software on an operating system, Linux or otherwise. [22:01] sbopkg is what was used to install it [22:01] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:03] is it called supertux racer or extremetux racer? [22:04] supertuxkart and supertux [22:04] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:06] ya well if its a driver issue or a x set up issue then i dont know what else i can do with it. [22:07] atof (~jason@58.69.54.112) joined ##slackware. [22:07] look at the Xorg logs, maybe strace it if you are feeling ambitious [22:07] ah ok, i knew tux racer which is tux on his belly, like a bobsledding [22:07] strace doesnt really do me any good when the entire x screen turns black and locks up when i try to strace the game [22:08] sure it does, switch to another terminal ;) [22:08] mancha: that is the one I knew too [22:08] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-46-92.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:09] Nick change: Gimped -> gimped [22:12] EthanG (none@sourcemage/guru/eekee) left ##slackware. [22:14] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=4106171#post4106171 [22:15] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:18] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:19] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:20] does the video card work with 3d in windows? [22:21] Are you talking to me ? [22:21] sure [22:21] tank-man: what video card? [22:22] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [22:22] I cant get 3d progs to work period [22:22] gniks, the link newslacker posted says he has a ati card [22:22] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-227.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:22] i had a video card with bad capacitors and the symptoms were black screen when trying 3d [22:23] I know the cards good cause the 3d works fine in other os's [22:23] yeah, blown capacitors make band things happen [22:24] rob0: ping, again [22:25] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-72-44.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:27] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [22:28] hmmm [22:29] anyone have pdfedit installed? [22:29] omfg it's necos [22:29] raela :D [22:29] <3 [22:29] you haven't been in OT so I thought you died or something [22:29] i've been superbusy [22:30] ah.. forgivable.. I guess :P [22:30] no, I don't have pdfedit [22:30] >.<; [22:30] necos [22:30] where have you been [22:31] here, there, and a few places in between [22:31] are you my penis?? [22:31] trying to build pdfedit and getting nowhere >.> [22:32] no your penis is probably diseased >.> [22:32] necos got a slackbuild for it? [22:33] Necos i've not built it since 0.4.3 and it sucked then [22:33] gniks, he doesn't have a slackbuild for my penis. [22:33] and no, you said you were a few places in between [22:33] am0rphis (~qwer@79.124.135.22) left irc: Quit: http://www.youtube.com/v/JDzdM3yDStU welcome to soviet russia :) [22:33] the salckbuild is on sbo [22:33] jeev your mom has a slackbuild for it [22:33] yea i know [22:34] Entulho (~foo@189.4.109.89) left irc: Quit: . [22:34] |Slacker| (~cris@189.26.14.112.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:35] just trying to build something so i can fill out a pdf form [22:35] evince does forms [22:36] Necos, I did that for a college application.. ended up editing it in gimp then exporting to pdf [22:36] so does okular [22:36] or something [22:36] gah rela, that's what i'm trying to avoid [22:36] :) [22:37] it was two years ago, though. seems options are better now [22:37] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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Which package I can use to replace the default postfix ? [22:43] triplc if you are sending mail you need an MTA, postfix is very resource aware [22:44] you are using the one of the best programs you could to use it, or you could use software that calls the sendmail binary directly and a daemon wouldn't need to be running [22:44] ok thanks [22:44] Necos: I just built and installed pdfedit from SBo runs fine [22:45] Necos: me too [22:45] yeah, i logged out and back in and it worked [22:46] for appropriate definitions of "runs fine" [22:46] pdfedit is shitty software [22:46] i'll try evince (building it now) [22:46] works for me if you dont like it dont use it, or better yet eheheh build a better one for everyone :P [22:47] newslacker (~root@207-119-200-122.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:47] nah, i'll just continue to whine about how bad it is. easier. [22:49] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [22:50] mancha's pretty good at that :) [22:51] oh, and mancha, you can't actually edit the pdf with evince, it seems [22:55] you didn't say that you said you wanted to fill out forms [22:55] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:55] yes i did... [22:55] and i said evince does forms. [22:56] i said i was filling out a pdf form (but apparently, this pdf doesn't have forms, so i'll have to use some sort of annotation) [22:59] ah ok. yeah evince won't be good for that. [23:00] and pdfedit doesn't even do it lol [23:00] gonna have to read docs :) [23:01] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [23:01] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [23:01] i'll be back in a bit... doc reading time [23:01] gniks, i found this: "ssmpt" (http://linux.die.net/man/8/ssmtp) which would be the one i need [23:02] (*ssmtp) [23:02] triplc it is an option yes, however not a very popular one [23:02] triplc: what are you trying to do? [23:03] If you are just needing something to send messages outbound.. ssmtp is fine.. however there are a few others [23:03] esmtp, ssmtp and nullmailer [23:03] I have a linux server, which is of course not for email. I would like all messages (like cron report... that via root@localhost) should be forward to the real email server. that's all [23:04] triplc: Well nullmailers will do that like I listed above [23:04] However, most distros will allow you to setup forwarding with aliases.. but using a nullmailer is probably best [23:04] currenly, i use the postfix, plus "root: foo@bar.com" in /etc/aliases [23:04] triplc: and is that 'broken' in anyway? [23:05] postfix is great. however i try to find a smaller mta [23:05] well, if all you want to do is send outbound.. you don't need an mta [23:05] reference ssmtp esmtp and nullmailer [23:05] ok, thanks [23:05] welcome [23:08] |Slacker| (~cris@189.26.14.112.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: No route to host [23:08] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.244) joined ##slackware. [23:11] Dominian, if i need something running background (daemon) then i need nullmailer, right? not ssmtp and esmtp (as i read on internet, it sound like sendmail command line only) [23:11] er.. no [23:11] ssmtp and esmtp are separate packages [23:11] oh [23:11] use nullmailer it works fine [23:14] ZMR (~Who_cares@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [23:17] Slaxy (1000@ip70-174-66-150.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. 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