[00:00] ah it's done [00:00] i didn't use concurrency [00:00] it took at least 10 min i guess [00:00] mfrost (~matthew@h181.29.188.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] mfrost (matthew@h181.29.188.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left ##slackware. [00:01] mfrost (~matthew@h181.29.188.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [00:01] who [00:01] mfrost (matthew@h181.29.188.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left ##slackware. [00:02] jcn0 (~jcn@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:02] Sappys (~Sappy@84.237.184.173) joined ##slackware. [00:03] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [00:04] dngr (~dngr@n112118191205.netvigator.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:05] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. 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[00:14] sinuhe (~sinuhe@adsl-75-55-201-218.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:16] gay, it crashed [00:17] yea, wow IS gay [00:17] Action: jgeboski is playing wow as we speak in wine [00:18] That's just a humble IMO :P [00:18] :p [00:18] From a person who never tried this drug %) [00:19] drug haha [00:19] it is gay, its for a friend [00:19] i was running installwow.exe, i dont have the cd's or anyting there [00:19] at the datacenter. [00:20] he's gonna play it over nxserver lol [00:20] with no graphics [00:20] hardware accel [00:20] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:21] we know you have a secret addiction to WoW :p [00:21] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:23] wtf the transfer is going slow man [00:23] it's LAN [00:23] padhu (~padhu@112.79.149.185) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:23] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [00:23] :/ [00:23] it is a rather big gam [00:23] don't know the total size though [00:24] it's 12 gigs left in the queue [00:24] it's a windows 2008 server with the files, i had installed it on it [00:25] i'm sftping LAN and it's going 1mb/s per thread, two threads [00:25] windows 2008 guest on slackware KVM [00:26] to another slackware guest on another host [00:27] i bet sitting there is fun watching it transfer is fun [00:28] nope [00:29] well i start some college classes tommrow morning so i actually need to grab some sleep for one [00:29] s/one/once [00:29] have fun with playing wow [00:30] it's flying without sftpd [00:30] sftp lol ok i'll let you know how he thinks it is. [00:30] :) [00:30] take it easy [00:31] later [00:33] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.52.155.static.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:35] blergh (~booom@122.163.110.35) joined ##slackware. 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[00:45] nope [00:45] at least not that i know of [00:45] bah, this is lame [00:45] i'll try building opengl into wine, then just disabling it with winecfg ? [00:46] you mean enabling it/ [00:46] ? [00:46] rhys (~Rhys@ma40736d0.tmodns.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:46] it's a server bro, no hardware shit for video [00:46] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: >_< PEBKAC, ID-10-T clicked the X ^_^ [00:46] oh yea forgot about [00:47] i've never attempted this so i really can't say for sure [00:48] it's possible to run it without opengl, it has to be [00:49] is it giving you an error? [00:49] err:module:import_dll Library OPENGL32.dll (which is needed by L"Z:\\home\\me\\World of Warcraft\\Wow.exe") not found [00:50] you're not passing the -opengl param to Wow.exe are you? [00:50] ridout (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:51] nope [00:51] grr,it's installing gecko shit again [00:51] ok i gotta go, be back in an hur [00:52] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:52] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-72-82-81-30.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:53] ok [00:53] I'll probably be sleeping but, good luck [00:54] Akuma (~Akuma@modemcable099.110-179-173.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:55] chendy_ (~chatzilla@204.152.211.137) joined ##slackware. [00:56] chendy (~chatzilla@183.17.32.76) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:56] Nick change: chendy_ -> chendy [00:58] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. 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[01:16] ChrisHansen, php isn't on slackbuilds [01:16] it's on the isntall disk - part of slackware [01:18] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:20] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [01:20] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [01:22] Operated (~nomad@92.124.26.126) joined ##slackware. [01:22] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-248.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [01:23] Akuma (~Akuma@modemcable099.110-179-173.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:23] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-248.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [01:28] padhu (~padhu@112.79.149.185) joined ##slackware. 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AddType application/x-httpd-php .php [01:41] in /etc/httpd/httpd.conf [01:41] you need ' Include /etc/httpd/mod_php.conf' in your /etc/httpd/httpd.conf [01:43] or ' LoadModule php5_module lib/httpd/modules/libphp5.so' in httpd.conf [01:43] since that's what's in mod_php.conf [01:43] what if I append both lines [01:44] best to include the mod_php.conf and put all your php stuff in there imo [01:44] you only need to include the php.conf file in httpd.conf file - it should already define the addtye [01:44] yeah that should be set by default [01:45] actually, you should only need to uncomment the php5.conf line - it should already be in the httpd.conf file [01:46] [01:46] still not working [01:46] did you restart httpd? [01:46] yes [01:47] check your httpd error log [01:47] you may need to flush browser cache perhaps [01:47] ahh yes [01:47] sille cache [01:47] thanks pal. [01:47] no problem [01:51] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:53] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [01:53] Hermann (~Hermannn@m90-137-81-135.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [01:54] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [01:54] Hermann (~Hermannn@m90-137-81-135.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:55] ashe (~ashe@118.96.223.30) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:10] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:11] em (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [02:12] ashe (~ashe@118.96.223.30) joined ##slackware. [02:14] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:16] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. [02:17] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[02:44] yes,altho if your net drops it'll max your cpu trying to connect [02:44] well - now that I have set_rlimits installed, jack/qjackctl works [02:45] but it still seems like MAKEFLAGS="-j8" doens't seem to work very well on ardour - it still appeared to only use 1 cpu for sequential building the ap [02:45] app [02:45] Akuma (~Akuma@modemcable099.110-179-173.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [02:46] firebird i loaded kde4 earlier but still prefer a wm. altho its nice. :) [02:53] Coke (~coke@c-3ebee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [02:56] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [02:57] Sappys (~Sappy@84.237.184.173) joined ##slackware. [02:58] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) joined ##slackware. [02:58] Akuma (~Akuma@modemcable099.110-179-173.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. 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[05:02] ali_: Unless a specific program's default configuration is set to do that, it won't. [05:03] saraah (EsMerimSi@41.236.14.88) joined ##slackware. [05:03] thanks [05:03] ali_ (bc9e1593@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.158.21.147) left irc: Quit: Page closed [05:03] interesting [05:03] gotta love people that don't learn their internet/computer stuff [05:03] homework? [05:03] and ask the wrong questions [05:04] akmal (~giantpand@114.123.136.226) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:04] alisonken1lap: you might, but I don't. [05:04] :) [05:04] popl: ok - [05:07] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:07] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [05:07] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. 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[05:30] yes [05:30] yes 64bit [05:31] there's your problem [05:31] memtest86 may only be created for 32-bit systems, not 64-bit systems [05:31] maybe yes becouse [ installed ] - libpthread-stubs-0.3-noarch-1 are there :))) [05:31] lamah: type 'ls -l /usr/include/gnu/' [05:31] halcon (~halcon@S0106002275466fa5.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [05:32] you see? [05:32] popl: if i install libpthread-stubs-0.3-noarch-1 32bit package [05:32] popl: : yes [05:33] lamah: did you manage to get your kernel working? [05:33] popl: yes [05:33] popl: bad config [05:34] sweet [05:34] popl: :) [05:34] IRSSI v0.8.15 - lPt (Linux 2.6.35.3) - schmack [05:34] 2.6.35.3 [05:34] I need to check the kernel changelog to see if they fixed my video bug yet. [05:36] I went back to 2.6.32.20. I had audio problems in wine with 2.6.35.3. [05:37] chendy (~chatzilla@204.152.211.137) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716] [05:37] were there any serious bug fixes? [05:39] anyone in here using a GT240 with the lastest 256.44 nvidia driver? [05:40] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-82-100.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:41] Akuma (~Akuma@173.179.110.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:41] Action: lamah is with 295 and 256.44, the picture is a like on a real life just perfect [05:41] clean [05:43] lamah (~ghost@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: lPt [05:45] john_dee (~id@95-29-144-219.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:47] moirn slackers. [05:50] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@sc-106.r-213-125-7.schoolconnect.nu) joined ##slackware. [05:50] Is hal going to be deprecated in xorg? [05:50] john_dee (~id@95-29-144-219.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:50] Although I'm not a fan of xml. [05:50] dbus can do the job way better. [05:52] why is there no manpage for ntpdate? [05:52] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [05:53] ntpdate <...> [05:53] ntpdate has been replaced by ntpd ? [05:53] I can find out how to use it, the manpage is on the web. [05:54] I was just wondering why it's not in Slackware [05:54] since the ntpd package includes it [05:54] because ntpd is the preferred method [05:54] hm, you might want to send an e-mail to the benevolent slacker dictator about it. [05:54] That's a silly reason to not have documentation, don't you think? [05:55] Akuma (~Akuma@modemcable099.110-179-173.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [05:55] alisonken1lap: but ntpd itself craps out if time is too much out of sync iirc. [05:55] http://slackwiki.org/Ntpd [05:55] ntpd -g works [05:55] both methods are illustrated [05:56] I like ntpd -g -i /var/chroot/ntpd -u ntpd [05:56] halcon (~halcon@S0106002275466fa5.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:56] 'cause I'm paranoid like that :P [05:56] -g says "allow a huge initial time change [05:56] I used netdate a lot back in the days. [05:56] alisonken1lap: I stand corrected :) [05:56] :) [05:56] Action: Buggaboo wonders if netdate still "works". [05:57] but even I have to setup my chroot manually because no ntp user is created [05:57] makes it fun if your clock is more than 15 minutes behind - ntpd starts, then as soon as the time kicks in, your screensaver kicks in [05:57] that's not fun, that's annoying ;P [05:57] popl: some people have a strange idea of fun ;) [05:57] aha, netdate still works. [05:58] that's like when my power-saving stuff was not configured and the screen would turn off when I was 15 minutes into watching hulu fullscreen :) [05:58] ntpd is too damn complicated, just put netdate in your cron.hourly [05:58] syntax: netdate ... etc. [05:58] It won't get in the way like ntpd. [05:59] hm ntpd never really got in my way once I figured it out and set it up properly. [05:59] qneo (d551be0b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.81.190.11) joined ##slackware. [05:59] Buggaboo: vi /etc/ntp.conf - set "server us.pool/ntp.org" (or your favorite time server), then "/etc/rc.d/ntpd start" [05:59] how hard is that? [05:59] alisonken1home, hm, you make it sound really simple. [05:59] s/us/eu/ but yes ;) [06:00] or a specific server if you want [06:00] Buggaboo: that's all I have done [06:00] I use a local university's ntp server [06:00] Action: Buggaboo still swears by netdate... [06:00] Akuma (~Akuma@modemcable099.110-179-173.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Quit: So long sukkas! [06:00] WildWizard (~michael@ppp118-208-135-49.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:00] I've used both methods. I also have used openntpd which I liked [06:01] I have another project, which is, encrypting only certain paths in my $HOME. [06:01] using ecryptfs. [06:01] since I don't have the patience to carve out a slice on my harddrive. [06:02] aamof I think I will install openntpd right now [06:03] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3084e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:03] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3084e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:04] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3084e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [06:04] Is ecryptfs included in the kernel nowadays? [06:04] as a module? [06:04] look in the Documentation directory [06:04] Buggaboo: interesting test - turn off all ntp date daemons/functions running. set time now()-1hour, make sure /etc/ntp.conf has a valid server in it (like us.pool.ntp.org), then /etc/rc.d/rc.ntpd start [06:04] if it's there it's probably documented [06:05] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.222.167.249 expired. [06:05] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.222.167.249' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [06:05] see how long it takes to reset your clock [06:05] alisonken1home, I got netdate running in cron. [06:06] no extraeous daemons for me, less to hack too. [06:06] as noted, running netdate in a cron job is not as efficient as runing ntpd in the background (unless you have some _real_ memory issues) [06:06] editing crons is more hacking [06:06] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3084e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:06] what do you mean by efficient alisonken1lap? [06:06] how do you define efficient? [06:06] especially when you update your system [06:07] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [06:07] popl: running a daemon doesn't spawn multiple children all the time [06:07] why not just run netdate once in rc.local? [06:07] every time cron runs a service, it has to spawn new processes [06:07] rsync -avz /old/etc/cron... /new/etc/cron... not exactly hard. [06:07] ok, that might not be feasible if you keep your machine up for a long period of time [06:07] for a laptop that might be fine though [06:08] people like options, I'd rather hack cron jobs. [06:09] I have to be there anyways, to setup my backup system [06:09] your choice - that's why slack doesn't force things on you [06:10] hoorah for that. [06:10] it tends to nudge you in a preferred direction, though [06:10] ugh, frikkin annoying, ssh-agent is has to be respawned for each bash session in konsole. [06:10] I have enough issues with the home machine only having 1G ram, and the wife insisting on trying to load facebook, wemail, and watch huludesktop at the same time [06:11] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:11] wemail? [06:11] alisonken1home, sounds like you need more resources, at least more ram. [06:11] webmail.juno.com and mail.com [06:11] popl: web-based email [06:11] Doesn't sound like too much load [06:11] Even for 1 gig [06:12] Dunno what huludesktop is tho [06:12] does firefox still eat up everything nowadays? [06:12] john_dee: you obviously haven't worked with the crappy multiple flash ads that mail.com and other sites insist on plugging in on each page [06:12] john_dee: hulu's proprietary viewing application [06:12] huludesktop is a local app that lets you watch shows from hulu.com [06:13] alisonken1home, if you use firefox, you might wanna consider noscript (plugin) [06:13] alisonken1home: Yeah, I don't use flash in linux [06:13] however, they insist on using adobe flash creator for the content and are very picky about the flashplayer that is used - including the verison [06:13] john_dee: it doesn't work on 64-bit systems [06:13] which means x86_64 doesn't work anymore on huludesktop [06:13] or on hulu :P [06:13] dicks [06:14] janemba (~cacao@unaffiliated/janemba) joined ##slackware. [06:14] when they started I remember very few commercials and it working on 64-bit Linux. They hooked me and now it's 2+ commercials back to back and I have to use Windows in VirtualBox to view the site. [06:14] hello [06:14] combination circle jerk - adobe flash on linux and hulu insisting on adobe flash [06:15] Since I installed ATI opensource graphic drivers I can't change my resolution [06:15] alisonken1lap: I think they feel comfortable alienating 64-bit Linux users because we're such a small percentage of their viewership. [06:15] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3084e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:16] popl: nope - with the *buntu's spreading the love - and MS has even gone 64-bit, adobe is just ignoring linux entirely at their peril [06:16] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3084e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:16] They promised to make one with another major release [06:16] Whenever that is :P [06:16] urgh, bloody annoying, ecryptfs hasn't built as a module. [06:16] yeah right - like the last 64-bit is nothing more than the 32-bit in a 64-bit wrapper [06:17] that'll teach me for using slack at work. [06:17] And what they consider major. Every update is major in terms of patched vulns %) [06:18] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3084e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [06:18] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3084e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:19] I think I'll send Pat a patch for enabling smtp in muttrc and complain about ecryptfs. [06:20] Oh, and buy a nice slack mug. Do they carry those? [06:21] slackware tee's and polo shirts - as well as bumper stickers http://store.slackware.com/cgi-bin/store/all.html?id=odRPWvJa&mv_arg=mv_arg&mv_pc=9 <-- official slackware store [06:22] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3084e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [06:22] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3084e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:26] Buggaboo: bribery? ;P [06:27] what does the serious slackware shirt say? [06:27] dang, no mug. [06:27] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3084e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [06:28] I have got to get back to work... [06:28] Buggaboo: and yet you remain in IRC... [06:28] ;) [06:28] popl, it's your fault :P [06:28] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3084e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:29] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3084e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [06:29] Buggaboo: prove it [06:29] it's more fun to hack slack, rather to do the work I'm paid for... [06:29] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3084e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:30] ow, and bitch and moan about perceived lack of feature X on slack. [06:30] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3084e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [06:30] What is Pat's reasoning behind charging so much (comparitively speaking) for the cdrom/dvd set? [06:31] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3084e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:31] s/comparitive/comparative/ [06:31] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3084e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [06:31] hm, how about mortgage + powerful need to feed/clothe his family? [06:31] etc. etc. [06:32] That's a potentially good reason, but is it _the_ reason? [06:33] Wow, Debian is $35.97 at abexia.com [06:33] janemba (cacao@unaffiliated/janemba) left ##slackware. [06:35] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:36] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3084e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:36] play4_ (~rispin@adsl-71-135-46-150.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [06:36] a pack of five Ubuntu CDs is $7.92 from canonical.com [06:37] it's interesting to note the price differences [06:37] play4 (~rispin@adsl-71-135-41-215.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [06:37] well, we use a localized debian here - keeps my bank account from getting depleted [06:37] Ubuntu is conceited: http://www.ubuntu.com/how-can-it-be-free [06:38] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [06:38] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3084e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [06:39] Mowah (~Mowah@c-3084e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:39] popl: They also send out cd's for free [06:39] Free shipping too [06:39] yeah - "What is open source? it's managed by Cannonical" [06:39] They're crazy that way. [06:39] We are converted to ubuntu here at the jobsite. [06:40] not desktops tho. [06:40] only the virtualization bit. [06:40] john_dee: It's like AOL. :P [06:40] only the virtual servers [06:41] popl: What about AOL? [06:41] john_dee: free cds [06:42] popl: With what? [06:42] um [06:42] AOL [06:42] :P [06:42] julu.com - "The Strip Game - Documentary following strippers from 5 U.S. cities" [06:42] I gotta switch to xfce... how I do that again? [06:42] john_dee: how old are you? [06:42] groo (~groo@201-1-74-253.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:42] I use kdm [06:42] groo (~groo@201-1-74-253.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [06:42] lemme reprhase that [06:42] *rephrase [06:43] Ahaha. Well, I definitely need no AOL here. But I actually ordered buntu cds once ^) I think it was 6.06 :) [06:43] john_dee: you don't remember free AOL CDs? [06:43] yht (~yht@118.96.121.225) left irc: Quit: time to go home [06:43] popl: I'm not from US, so no. Not really %) [06:44] oh, alright [06:44] john_dee: It's a big thing in teh US. 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[06:54] Yeah, we had a lot of sites about 10 years ago with links to other sites where you could order free CDs, booklets etc. Some ppl tottaly stuffed their cribs up to the ceiling with that shit and posted photos of their trashures on the net %) [06:54] jhw (~jhw@p548D7308.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:55] Yearly days of the net around here. Everything was in plain html :D [06:55] Good times [06:55] lol [06:56] I wonder how much damage to the environment AOL has caused. ;P [06:56] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:58] Time will show, but I'd give then second place after BP %) [06:58] them* [07:02] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [07:02] v4nelle (~van@79.107.216.146) joined ##slackware. [07:05] popl (~popl@unaffiliated/popl) left irc: Quit: http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop. [07:08] Sappys (~Sappy@84.237.184.173) joined ##slackware. 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[09:00] ... aaaand 5 hours later the core legacy Sun E250 is back up again [09:00] Action: Zordrak wipes brow [09:01] Lucky Zordrak [09:02] I'd so love to play with Sun hardware [09:02] fail [09:02] But Sun is no more. Maybe not so much %) [09:02] Zordrak: ? [09:04] i had an Ultra10 and a load of Sparcstations years ago, bought them off ebay [09:04] didnt end up doing much with them though [09:05] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:05] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [09:05] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [09:06] solaris is the most putridh hateful OS on the planet and the hardware is just poor ekcuses for x86 standard equipment, but with a SPARC chip so nothing else can handle it [09:06] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) joined ##slackware. [09:06] ov3rmind (~3FF7@unaffiliated/ov3rmind) left irc: Quit: Pull the pin and count to what? [09:08] Sappys (~Sappy@84.237.184.173) joined ##slackware. [09:08] Too bad Orificle gets to suck all life out of it now [09:08] Zordrak: I've heard many opinions quite the oposite to yours [09:08] Action: john_dee wonders why [09:09] opposite even [09:14] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@lbb-dslst.69616810.amaonline.com) joined ##slackware. [09:15] john_dee: those opinions probably come from people whove done a zillion Sun training courses, are now Sun certified engineers, have done it so long they cant handle anything else and therefore would be jobless if people realised how shite Sun is and stopped buying it [09:17] Zordrak, I have good impression of Sun, I can't imagine why Sun would be inferior. What alternative would you suggest? [09:18] rissy: Properly configured and maintained standard pc components [09:20] rissy: We *were* paying £10,000 / year for sun support for equipment that had no redundancy so if anything failed we were down til it was fixed. I COMPLETELY replaced that system with a one off cost of £7,000 for kit that requires no maintenance contract and is *extremely* redundant. [09:20] At the same time I reduced my expansion costs from £8,000/TB to about £200/TB at the same time [09:20] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:21] AND in all of thi, when problems do occur (extremely infrequently) thy are dealt with as quickly as they appear for no cost and no stress [09:23] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:23] BentoPUNK (~BentoPUNK@189.2.128.178) joined ##slackware. [09:23] Hm I see, that's understandable then. [09:24] I am surprised that 'standard computer parts' can run server-level jobs. [09:24] Says the man who have always worked with PCs and would be jobless if Sun took over the world and Billy Gaytes wasn't such sneaky bastard who made x86 dominant? [09:24] :) [09:24] jk [09:24] Bill Gates wasn't the man who made x86 dominant... [09:24] clint- (~clint@pdpc/supporter/active/clint-) joined ##slackware. [09:25] who was? :) [09:26] rissy: Standart computer parts run server-level jobs. Kinky! %) [09:27] Sappys (~Sappy@84.237.184.173) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:29] speller (~sheller@122.6.71.111) joined ##slackware. [09:32] MadneX (~Nestor@189-015-205-254.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:32] MadneX (~Nestor@189-015-205-254.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Changing host [09:32] MadneX (~Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [09:32] MadneX (~Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Client Quit [09:32] MadneX (~Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [09:33] Dexter (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:34] booll (~nasty@bas1-calgaryqa-1242361489.region2.highspeedunplugged.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [09:34] booll (nasty@bas1-calgaryqa-1242361489.region2.highspeedunplugged.bell.ca) left ##slackware. [09:36] akmalhamdani (~giantpand@182.2.51.245) joined ##slackware. [09:36] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:38] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:40] namedrisk (~namedrisk@201.80.218.238) joined ##slackware. [09:40] Genk1 (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [09:40] hello [09:41] im not familiar with rsync but is it possible to back only a directory tree using it ? instead of transporting all the files and everything all i want is the entire directory tree with no files [09:41] do you know guys if there is any book talking about how to develop and maintain a Linux distro ? [09:41] s/back/backup/ [09:41] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ [09:42] Genk1 you mean something like this http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ ? not a book but [09:42] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [09:42] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:43] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:43] rissy: they can and do it very well.. by standard, i meant standard PC not standard parts. So, ie im using 3ware h/w RAID cards and SuperMicro mobos and chassis [09:44] rissy: A further thing is that the older your Sun box the more support costs until they wont support it at all and you are forced to upgrade. [09:44] Slackware is still supported back to v8 and i will never be forced to upgrade something thats working if i dont want to [09:44] namedrisk, OK I know what it is ! but I am looking for something a general book not just for linux [09:45] mmm ok sorry buddy i am not aware of any material that are worth recommending [09:47] Genk1, lfs but that is a pita, I know because I've done a lot of it. [09:47] Genk1, general? [09:47] Zordrak, alright, you convinced me. [09:47] MadneX (~Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Quit: Sair [09:47] MadneX (~Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [09:48] rissy, I mean an OS [09:48] not just linux [09:48] Are you good at programming? [09:50] t0mm13b_ (t0mm13b@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [09:50] rissy, yes but not an expert [09:50] do u know c ? c++ ? asm ? [09:51] C/C++ yes asm just a little bit [09:51] Genk1, become a good programmer, then you can make your own operating system. [09:52] Nick change: t0mm13b_ -> t0mm13b [09:52] =_=b [09:53] Genk1 http://www.google.com.br/#hl=pt-BR&&sa=X&ei=VnxyTI6oCYG78gac4YnfDA&ved=0CBQQBSgA&q=books+how+to+make+your+own+Operating+System&spell=1&fp=8b0061a98851010f [09:53] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@support.team.at.shellium.org) left irc: Changing host [09:53] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [09:54] rissy, a good programmer for me means you don't know how to program simply, but you provide a code with quality. like using Design patterns for example [09:54] namedrisk, thanks [09:54] make an os is hard, i can not understand gdt and ldt now.. :< [09:54] Genk1, okay, then become not just good, become an expert. Making an os is difficult but rewarding. [09:55] speller, follow lfs step by step, google each step, build a bookmark, get a notebook and write down everything, etc. You'll become an expert in no time. Or at least you'll understand what's up. [09:55] Like it took me a while to understand the toolchains. [09:55] that is only if u can come up with something very stable and usefull [09:55] :P [09:55] But eventually I understood that. [09:55] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) joined ##slackware. [09:55] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [09:55] If you can build an os, even if it's useless, big companies will hire you right away. [09:56] I know if you have the ability to write patches for kernels, companies like Intel will pick you up right away. [09:56] How do I know? Because I spoke to people from Linux Foundation who work for companies like that. They told me personally. [09:57] hmm I see [09:57] thanks for the advices [09:57] rissy: thanks, but i think that i should enter a university through standy hard [09:57] Standy hard? [09:58] you see, i should call google stanslate for help [09:58] study [09:58] :D [09:59] Operating Systems Design and Implementation, 3/E [09:59] Andrew S Tanenbaum [09:59] Albert S Woodhull [09:59] rissy that is true, but i meant as for the OS itself hehehe [09:59] seems to be a good start for this subject [10:00] Genk1, haha, you won't understand it for two reasons though. [10:00] 1.) Tanenbaum's stuff is hard. 2.) You need to know C very, very well. [10:01] an ebook of C is about 250 pages :s [10:01] Well good luck. 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[10:32] s/who trone [10:34] you missed a / [10:34] hi [10:35] Nick change: Guest76124 -> BiCHiTo [10:35] BiCHiTo (Yposu4i2zw@bnc25.nggn.info) left irc: Changing host [10:35] BiCHiTo (Yposu4i2zw@unaffiliated/bichito) joined ##slackware. [10:37] blergh (~booom@122.161.86.174) joined ##slackware. [10:38] i'm a bit confused about SMP here. does "a multiple CPU machine" mean a processor with multiple cores? [10:39] blergh: your question doesnt quite make sense [10:39] both apply [10:39] i recommend hitting up wikipedia [10:39] both [10:39] if i have a core 2 duo CPU, should i enable SMP? [10:39] these kinds of basic topics are clearly explained [10:39] blergh: yes [10:39] you can have multiple cpus, or multiple cores [10:39] namedrisk (~namedrisk@201.80.218.238) left irc: Quit: Die another day ! ! ! [10:39] yht (~yht@180.214.233.11) joined ##slackware. [10:39] blergh: unless you have < a P3 you ought to enable SMP, full stop. [10:40] cen___ (~cen@pool-96-250-25-210.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:40] ok [10:40] or multiple cpus with multiple cores [10:40] was just confused whether the 'multiple CPU' included multicore processors [10:40] thanks [10:40] SMP on multicore's is usefull [10:41] nomad (~nomad@92.124.18.134) joined ##slackware. [10:41] Operated (~nomad@92.124.26.126) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:41] your on about hyper threading, right? [10:42] blergh: think of a core as simply another processor. it's just on the same die [10:42] ananke: ok. makes sense [10:43] you should use the smp kernel on anything post pentium pro anyway [10:43] phrag: nah, i'm just curious [10:43] and for slackware64, you don't even have the choice: there's only the smp version [10:43] oh, i misread what Zordrak said =P [10:43] thought he said Hey [10:52] moo [10:52] How do I suspend or hibernate my laptop from the commandline [10:52] I checked /sys/power/state and it supports both suspend and hibernate [10:52] echo sleep > /sys/power/state [10:52] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:53] I run slackware current with kernel 2.6.33.4-smp [10:53] phrag, haha [10:53] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:53] vignesh: no.. really [10:53] echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep [10:53] should also work [10:54] echo -n mem > /sys/power/state [10:54] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [10:54] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D51FD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:55] Raggs (~x@99-29-0-126.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:55] phrag, Sorry dude, I thought you were kidding [10:55] It works, Thanks a ton :) [10:55] hehe, welcome =) [10:55] I never it was that simple [10:55] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) joined ##slackware. [10:55] lol, I cant stop laughing [10:55] /sys/power/state is newer way... /proc/acpi is deprecated [10:56] I want to learn more about this kind of stuff [10:56] I love this kind of tweaking from the command line [10:56] it's a little nicer to use pm-utils [10:56] pm-suspend for example [10:56] thrice`, Thanks, I have that command also [10:57] you can use echo -n disk > /proc/power/state for hibernate too [10:57] pm-utils does a little more unloading and system hooks [10:57] ok [10:57] yeh, good call... some devices can hang otherwise [10:57] depends on setup [10:57] v3gard (~v3gard@v3gard.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:58] v3gard (~v3gard@v3gard.com) joined ##slackware. [10:58] I can't think of any setup where a simple echo to /sys is prefered to pm-suspend, but maybe my experience is too limited :) [10:58] Action: phrag shares cookies with those active [10:58] i didnt say preferred =P [10:59] phrag, how do you learn this kind of stuff ? [11:00] vignesh: IRC and google =) [11:00] ..and many hours breaking things =P [11:00] Yeah, i do that too [11:00] vignesh: slackbook.org is a nice place to start [11:00] but never caught this kind of stuff [11:00] I read that, [11:00] vignesh: there is a wealth of information out there, especially for opensource documentation [11:01] True [11:01] i must say, in my 12+ years, this channel has been a huge source of knowledge and help [11:01] well, this is why GUI's exist for this kind of stuff :> [11:01] #slackware ftw =) [11:01] I have been using linux for quite a while [11:02] maybe not quite.. since Fedora Core 3 but used Redhat 9 barely [11:03] Now I am using slackware for the past few weeks [11:03] if you have the general linux base, learning new stuff should not be that daunting (however it may seem) [11:03] lets see, hope I will learn more new things here [11:03] phrag, yeah, [11:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-425655.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:03] anyway, that was fun [11:04] vignesh: i bet just hanging around in here for awhile, asking questions, reading, general discussions, will improve your slackware knowledge =) [11:04] Thanks. [11:06] I like this channel a lot, over the few days i have got a lot of answers compared to some other channels where they just say RTFM [11:06] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:07] RTFM helps when you have time, but sometimes when we have urgent issues it does not [11:08] vignesh: also help to know what exactly in the manual you should be reading [11:09] agreed [11:10] and the folks here seem friendly and helpful [11:10] anyway, thats another story [11:10] yeah, really [11:10] i am surprised that slack doesnt have openoffice as its office suite [11:11] I use Ms office as I am a student and require it [11:11] due to project reasons [11:11] With wine and winetricks, office 2007 runs better than on windows [11:11] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [11:11] i am a student as well, havent used MS office except on campus computers [11:12] We have a mix in my group, mac os , windows and I have linux [11:13] i think theres something about the license with openoffice as to why its not included, but it will install [11:13] The guy with the mac uses virtualbox with xp and office [11:13] anyway, offtopic [11:14] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:15] mattallmill (~mattallmi@69.71.126.153) joined ##slackware. [11:15] Skywise: easy install? [11:15] padhu1 (~padhu@114.31.165.26) joined ##slackware. [11:15] padhu (~padhu@112.79.179.15) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:15] Raggs, well that all depends on your skill level... [11:15] but yeah [11:16] vignesh> With wine and winetricks, office 2007 runs better than on windows <-- ahahaha [11:16] Raggs, what do you do, rpm2tgz ? [11:17] vignesh: to install openoffice ? [11:17] Yeah [11:17] use slackbuilds.org for most of your common software need [11:17] usually on the website , they have rpms [11:17] needs* [11:17] ofcourse slackbuilds [11:17] it's the goodness =) [11:17] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/office/openoffice.org/ [11:17] I had some problems with that earlier [11:18] this one just a wrapper for the binary, puts it in a nice slackware package for you [11:18] as I did not install the entire "d" tree [11:18] but you will find a lot of common software builds on slackbuilds.org [11:18] cool [11:18] sbopkg is a handy too to have too [11:18] certainly [11:19] cen___ (~cen@pool-96-250-25-210.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:19] vignesh: FYI, sbopkg is a remote tool to automate slackbuilds.org building [11:20] oh [11:20] brb [11:22] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: [11:24] slackbuilds is safe then? [11:24] yes [11:24] slackbuilds (especially using sbopkg) will make a package from the source [11:25] sbopkg will also d/l the source for you [11:25] cen___ (~cen@pool-96-250-34-76.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:25] Raggs, as safe (or unsafe) as the upstream source it helps compile. [11:29] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:29] i bookmarked, will check it out [11:29] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [11:31] qneo (d551be0b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.81.190.11) left ##slackware. [11:33] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-38-102.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:33] sbopkg just cuts out the middle step of downloading the scripts, getting tarballs, executing the scripts [11:34] ok, is there a 64 version? [11:34] i have one question please [11:34] how do I start gkrellm in the file / etc / rc.d / rc.local? [11:34] BentoPUNK (~BentoPUNK@189.2.128.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:34] Bichito, wrong place, it needs an X display [11:35] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:35] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [11:35] ok mancha [11:36] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-425655.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:36] look at X rc files, like xinitrc or your particular DE or WM's rc files [11:36] if you want to start the server-side background daemon for remote display, look at gkrellmd [11:36] Raggs, all scripts on slackbuilds.org are designed for 32 or 64-bit, (with a few 32-bit only exceptions); so, since sbopkg is just a front-end to slackbuilds.org, the answer is "yes" [11:36] s/remote display/remote monitoring/ [11:36] Any Way hay When it does start to start the X server? mancha [11:36] ok ok mancha [11:37] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. 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[14:04] to frustrate you [14:04] does the current64 slackbuild work with 2.7.3? [14:05] i guess ...there are only minior changes from 2.7.1 to 2.7.3 [14:07] 7.1 7.2 7.3 have a lots of fixes for msn and xmpp [14:07] yes ... but not major changes, only fixes [14:08] yes. [14:09] anyway. anyone tried this pkg http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware64-13.1/network/skype_static/2.1.0.81/ in slackware64 without multilib support but with kernel 32bit emulation support? [14:09] |Slacker| (~cris@189.26.28.190.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:09] if you are running pure 64bit slackware - it will not work. [14:10] skype is an shitty 32bit only peace of software [14:11] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:12] fortunev (1000@ip70-174-66-150.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:12] what if this pkg includes some of the needed 32libraries that are distributed with alien multilib pkgs? [14:12] some=all the 32lib needed for skype [14:13] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:13] What's the point ? makeing you slack half-multilib ?? If you will make it multilib - do it the right way ... [14:13] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) joined ##slackware. [14:13] it will work or not? [14:13] no idea [14:14] ok [14:14] koolniczka (~nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) joined ##slackware. [14:15] anyaway ...i guess the changes you'll have to make are so much , that in the end you'll have multilib slack... [14:15] s/anyaway/anyway/ [14:16] Hello everyone. Could someone with a workinig optical drive on 13.1 please post a sample output from '/lib/udev/ata_id' and '/lib/udev/cdrom_id' commands? (pastebin or PM). Thanks a lot. [14:17] yesyes (yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [14:17] Mine was easy. ata_id returned me to a prompt. cdrom_id gave me "no device" [14:17] That's with the Slack DVD in the drive. [14:18] |Slacker| (~cris@189.26.28.190.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:18] sinuhe: that would be '/lib/udev/ata_id /dev/sr0' as root, assuming /dev/sr0 is your dvd [14:18] I'm using SATA [14:18] padhu (~padhu@175.40.34.246) left irc: Quit: Going to bed [14:19] Hi all. There is a list on the web where I can find exactly what file.txz I have to install to get X running? (I wish avoid if possibile to install all d/, l/ and x/ directory) [14:19] Same result using sudo [14:19] sinuhe: and cdrom_id? same logic, came path? [14:19] s/came/same [14:19] koolniczka: Exact same response [14:19] % sudo /lib/udev/ata_id [14:19] % sudo /lib/udev/cdrom_id [14:19] no device [14:20] sinuhe: OK, thanks anyway [14:20] anyone else to bite, maybe someone with an ATAPI drive [14:21] ilker (~ilker@last.fm/user/ilker) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:21] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.59.76.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:21] I get the same output on a 32-bit 13.0 machine, using IDE, not SATA [14:21] ilker (~ilker@88.241.146.78) joined ##slackware. [14:21] sinuhe: and your udev links are generated correctly? do you have the /dev/cdrom and the like in /dev? [14:22] trone: look at the slackwiki in the minimal system article, or the linuxquestions slackware forum which has a recent thread [14:23] but no there no such list you can trust blindly [14:23] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.123) joined ##slackware. [14:23] koolniczka: Yes [14:24] panda (~giantpand@114.124.44.116) joined ##slackware. [14:24] i am kinda shocked to see that there is no 'ftp' command i can use in my slackware 13.0 install! can someone tell me which package provides that? [14:24] Nick change: panda -> akmal [14:24] sahk0: thanks. I begin to look aroung where you say. Indeed I don't look for a "blind list", but just to understand how many x/file.tzx are really useful... thankyou [14:24] njathan: My Slack 13.0 box has ftp and lftp. [14:25] Action: koolniczka is confused, pondering udev [14:25] sinuhe, i did not do a 'complete' install... maybe i missed it that time... :-( [14:25] njathan: Looking [14:26] lftp is its own package found in the n directory. [14:26] netkit-ftp is there, too [14:26] akmalhamdani (~giantpand@182.1.86.41) left irc: Disconnected by services [14:26] Nick change: akmal -> akmalhamdani [14:26] sinuhe, thanks mate... let me try.. 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[15:15] fat32 [15:15] hahaha [15:16] asd [15:17] nomad (~nomad@92.124.18.134) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:17] xfs [15:17] tltstc (~tltstc@192.207.69.1) left irc: Quit: [15:17] i need a good fs to work with big files [15:17] dive: ping [15:18] pupit, pung [15:18] xfs supports online check? [15:18] there is no good zfs implementation in linux last time i checked [15:18] hey dive :) can i pm you about kernel package compile? [15:18] sure [15:18] wikipedia has a fs comparsion page thats handy [15:18] zfs isn't into kernel mainline [15:19] yeah, so thats why i'd vote for xfs [15:19] there is some other new one thats getting popular i think [15:19] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [15:19] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [15:20] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [15:20] also jfs can be a good choise? [15:20] cant remember which one it was [15:20] btrfs maybe i cant recall [15:20] either way i would let it mature [15:21] and use the good old stable xfs [15:21] yeah, could be btrfs [15:21] but it still under develop [15:22] Ansa89 if you're gonna use xfs take a look at this: http://pli0k.blogspot.com/2009/12/create-xfs-with-64mb-logfile.html [15:23] few advice on how to get more preformance out of it. [15:23] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Client Quit [15:23] it's obciously old :P [15:23] '-o osyncisdsync' is default now [15:23] '-o logbufs=8' too :P [15:23] i also need to know if xfs can be checked while it is mounted [15:23] yes [15:23] it can [15:24] slackytude (~slacky@drms-4d0000d2.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:24] actually, it can't be checked without being mounted [15:24] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [15:25] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [15:25] adrien, so i need to mount it in order to check it? [15:25] darchstar (~ameer@c-24-13-236-173.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:26] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:26] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-137-75-103.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:26] hmmm, actually, no, for xfs_check, it should be umounted (or read-only), sorry [15:26] hmm sure ? [15:26] mmm ... you can do it without unmounint [15:26] just checked the doc... [15:27] xfs_fsr does the job [15:27] well: "Otherwise, spurious problems are reported" [15:27] ChrisAbela (~chris@78.133.32.244) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:27] fsr? it's defrag [15:27] Ansa89: why do you need to check while it's mounted? [15:27] adrien oh ...yeah :/ you're right [15:28] Guest50858 (~I@70.44.72.133.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:28] i don't know if i ever need this feature....just curiosity [15:28] I think I remember now: it performs log replay when mounting, which, for xfs, is enough in 99.9% of cases [15:28] and if needed, xfs_repair, which is much heavier [15:29] but xfs_repair won't run if you haven't first mounted the filesystem (and thus replayed the log) [15:29] merciful (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:29] ok [15:29] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [15:30] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:30] but, checking/repairing while being mounted is quite specific: it means you can't check *before* mounting, that you're in such a hurry you need to mount asap [15:30] but xfs checks/replays/repairs very very fast (and I mean it) [15:30] adrien, what fs do you use/prefer ? [15:31] I use xfs, almost exclusively [15:31] only have an ext4 /tmp, which is a raid0 of 3 8GB paritions [15:31] I heard adrien likes fat16 [15:31] 16cm, yes [15:32] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [15:32] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [15:36] merciful (~eabe@j226017.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:38] i found this: http://www.recoverymonkey.net/wordpress/2009/06/14/new-ext4-vs-xfs-benchmarks-using-fedora-11-leonidas/ [15:39] dngr (~dngr@n112118162127.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [15:39] it's a bit old, but seems that ext4 is better [15:39] or i'm wrong? [15:39] vlinux (~chatzilla@124.106.196.125) joined ##slackware. [15:40] yes [15:40] "yes" i'm wrog? [15:40] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [15:40] s/wrog/wrong/ [15:44] jhw (~jhw@p548D7308.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:44] vastina (jaird@64.215.163.99) joined ##slackware. [15:45] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:48] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-166-178-64.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:49] Ansa89: yes to an 'or' question could mean either :P [15:49] or both :) [15:49] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.59.76.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:49] Action: troy wonders if he can get XOR into common use [15:50] english uses "or" to mean xor [15:51] Oar, or ore. [15:51] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [15:51] Howdy [15:51] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [15:52] troy: do you know if there is a plan for kde to fully replace khtml with webkit like gnome did with libgtkhtml? or its gonna be used just for konqueror? [15:52] Action: Ansa89 stops making problems about fs [15:53] ok, I'm officially puzzled, on 13.1'm trying to bring up a 2.6.33.7 kernel build from a pre-libata config with make oldconfig and i'm not able to get the optical drive up. with stock huge-smp kernel everythig is OK but with my custom kernel I can not get the duevlinks generated. can someone check the udev outputs and tell me wht I'm missing in my custom [15:53] akmalhamdani (~giantpand@114.124.44.116) left irc: Quit: bye all [15:53] s/duevlinks/udev links/ [15:54] udev output for both kernels - http://pastebin.com/L0Ev4N9K [15:56] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:56] metrofox (~metrofox@unaffiliated/metrofox) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [15:57] i guess its up to the maintainers of the specific apps eg. akregator (pim) but what im wondering is if theres a conjoint effort for it [15:58] if the webkit kpart works, the applications can be ported even gradually [15:59] bbl [16:00] bitlord (bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). 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During the boot, I am getting an error about ata bus and system is not identifying the DVD drive. [16:25] OUT OF MEMORY. [16:25] READY. [16:25] [] [16:27] sinedrio (~sinedrio@bl5-193-128.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:29] sinedrio (~sinedrio@bl13-212-136.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:31] akmalhamdani (~giantpand@114.124.44.116) joined ##slackware. [16:31] ov3rmind (~3FF7@unaffiliated/ov3rmind) left irc: Quit: ASCII a stupid question, get a stupid ANSI! [16:31] eggdrop is fun [16:31] fortunev (1000@ip70-174-66-150.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:32] akmalhamdani (~giantpand@114.124.44.116) left irc: Client Quit [16:32] i run a home server but i never properly administer it [16:32] fortunev (1000@ip70-174-66-150.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:32] what kind of stuff should i look at to make sure everything is ok? [16:32] ilker (~ilker@88.241.146.78) left irc: Changing host [16:32] ilker (~ilker@last.fm/user/ilker) joined ##slackware. [16:33] How are PATA drives addressed in Slackware? [16:33] I have a PATA Master with the Slack boot image. [16:33] paissad (~paissad@89.87.195.22) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:34] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:34] fortunev (1000@ip70-174-66-150.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] fortunev (1000@ip70-174-66-150.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:39] I am using slackware on my new notebook (packard bell). how can i connect my network that uses WPA2? [16:39] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.59.76.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:39] ViN86__ (blah@TRMITDESK.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. [16:39] ckt1g3r (~ckt1g3r@unaffiliated/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Saindo [16:39] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] Nick change: ViN86__ -> ViN86 [16:39] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [16:39] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [16:40] ilker: might you try WICD? The package is in extra/ [16:41] linXea (~Slackytux@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [16:43] jgeboski: WICD? it is in DVD? [16:44] Packard Bell is still in business? [16:45] arfon: yep, acer bought it [16:45] ilker: You can down load the package from one of the Get Slcak mirrors if you don't have the CD/DVD [16:45] ilker: yes it is in the extra/ dir [16:46] i tried wpa_supplicant, i connected but there is no ping from any host. [16:46] ilker: you can also do arfon's suggestion [16:46] Use WICD [16:46] ok, thanks, i am gonna try. [16:47] ilker: make sure you put your user in the netdev group too [16:47] jgeboski: i am root now :) i will create user when i am connected [16:48] ok [16:49] ALternatively without wicd, you can use the default Slackware tools, documented in http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network#wpa_encryption [16:49] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: [16:49] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:51] coredumb (~coredumb@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [16:51] rc.inet1 breaks for me on newer kernels :( [16:53] ? [16:53] tekzilla (~jon@d068245.adsl.hansenet.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:54] coredumb (~coredumb@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [16:54] the "is_this_a_wireless_device" check fails, so rc.wireless never gets passed -> no wpa_supplicant goodies [16:55] ok, I don't use rc.inet1 for wifi, that's why I hadn't noticed it [16:56] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:56] oh sorry, I should have been more clear [16:58] tekzilla (~jon@d069030.adsl.hansenet.de) joined ##slackware. [16:59] How do I mount a ext4 partition using the mount command? I tried mount /dev/sda4 /mnt and I get the message saying it is an invalid argument. [17:01] kleanchap, should be all you need [17:01] (eg, maybe something else is wrong :p ) [17:02] mount -t ext4 /dev/sda4 /mnt is a little more verbose, but your error was not that it couldn't understand the FS type, so [17:02] heviarti (~ptpChat2@173-116-104-91.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [17:02] kleanchap: did you format it as ext4 after you partitioned it? [17:02] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:03] (gotta ask the dumb questions first) [17:03] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-196.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:03] I would think that error would be "I don't know which FS that is!!" . oh well, home time :> [17:04] Probably [17:04] I ask because I have forgotten to mkfs after I partitioned then got all bent out of shape when it wouldn't mount. :P [17:06] thrice`: what is the timestamp of your /etc/rc.d/rc.wireless ? [17:06] guys, i have just done it. thanks a lot. but i wanna learn to do that by consol. [17:06] anyone seen Motoko-chan? [17:06] wpa supplicant is NOT your friend... (it hates me) [17:07] And specifically, thrice` - does your rc.wireless check for the wireless directory in /sys/class/net/${1}/wireless ? [17:07] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.123) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:07] arfon: yeah, it hates me, too. sometimes it works, sometimes does not. [17:07] The functionality in rc.wireless was changed in january to cope with newer kernel behaviour [17:07] The old WEP was easy... Now I just use wicd. [17:08] simple application, i like it. [17:08] lf4 (~KJR@unaffiliated/lf4) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:09] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:09] I've had mixed success with slack and WEP. [17:10] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:10] Unfortunately WEP needs to go away.... [17:10] Unfortunately? [17:10] s/un// [17:10] or unfortunately because it hasn't yet [17:11] Unfortunately, because 1) it was easy 2) it was easy. :) [17:11] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [17:11] tsssss ;-) [17:11] ESSID + KEY = On the iar! [17:11] iar=air [17:12] Nowadays, you have to sacrifice a chicken to apease the wpa gods.... [17:13] I have had some interoperability issues in the past. [17:13] haha [17:13] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:14] BentoPUNK (~BentoPUNK@189.2.128.178) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:20] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [17:23] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:23] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-185-230.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:24] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) got netsplit. [17:25] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) returned to ##slackware. [17:26] Hey guys, if I wanted to blacklist a certain usb device so that no device node is created by udev, how do I do that? [17:26] Whenever I google, I keep finding distro specific methods for this. [17:27] you need to create a udev rule.... [17:28] see man udev [17:28] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:28] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:31] janemba (~cacao@unaffiliated/janemba) joined ##slackware. [17:31] yo [17:32] what is '/etc/make.conf' file ? [17:32] alienBOB, -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 12835 2010-01-02 19:15 /etc/rc.d/rc.wireless [17:32] I haven't touched rc.wireless at all, fwiw [17:33] I'd be happy with figuring out where the hotplug blacklist is... [17:34] alienBOB, but yes, it does. stock 13.1 / current, with only the kernel bump (where that directory still exists in /sys, only "wireless" is no longer present since 2.6.34) [17:35] hyegster (g5e4dg5@188-220-20-192.zone11.bethere.co.uk) left irc: [17:35] thrice`: oh, does that stuff change in newer kernels? [17:35] If it indeed changes too much, wicd may explode [17:36] wicd still worked OK :> [17:36] ferdna (~yup@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:37] kk cool [17:38] but, wicd is broken on newer python releases :) [17:39] janemba: There is no /etc/make.conf in Slackware, and if there was, I don't know if make(1) would use it. Is this some other distro? [17:39] rob0: I think BSD uses it [17:39] nope, that's a gentoo-ism [17:40] close enough [17:40] except for being an entirely different OS, right-o :p [17:40] - on 13.1 I'm trying to bring up a 2.6.33.7 kernel build from a pre-libata config with make oldconfig and I'm not able to get the optical drive up. With stock huge-smp kernel the drive works but with my custom kernel I can not get the udev links generated although all drivers seem to be there. Strange thing is that device nodes are created differently in either case. Can someone check http://pastebin.com/8UVnaE3M ? [17:42] neither of those looks to be using libata [17:43] cuba33ci (~cuba33ci@111-240-213-149.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:44] Ansa, I've gotten better at writing udev rules, wasn't aware that they could also *not* create nodes. [17:44] y3llow (~y3llow@111-240-213-149.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:44] rob0: yeah there is not in slackware distro I saw it in other distro in a doc [17:45] nachox (~Ignacio@133-74-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [17:45] janemba, for compiling options, slackbuild scripts (how packages are created) set these flags in the build itself [17:46] cuba33ci (~cuba33ci@111-240-209-101.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] y3llow (~y3llow@111-240-209-101.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:47] thrice`: ok thx [17:47] Redb3ard: you can't do that in recent udev [17:47] Oh, well never mind then. [17:47] slackbuilds.org is the offical repository? [17:47] adaptr: cat ./working|grep -B1 "libata"|less => SCSI subsystem initialized . libata version 3.00 loaded. [17:47] YOu *might* get away with NAME="" (yes, empty) but it's not supported, reliable, or sane. [17:47] How do I blacklist a device being created? [17:47] ilker, no, official slackbuilds are on slackware mirrors [17:48] root__ (~root@c-174-58-22-141.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:48] It's interfering with libusb software that I need. [17:48] Sometimes Gentoo has relevant documentation, if you can translate their specifics into generics. [17:48] Redb3ard: you don't without modifying the driver or blacklisting the module [17:48] Ok. And how do I blacklist the module? [17:48] lol [17:48] There's a way to "unbind" a driver from some device using a sysfs poke iirc [17:49] Redb3ard: see /etc/modprobe.d [17:49] Hello everyone. I compiled custom linux kernel (with of course, the 3com drivers needed to run my network card), but my internet does work. Now, the last time this happened inside slackware, I just changed the cable and everything was fine. However, I used three different cables this time and it still won't work. What should I do? And, eth0 does show up in ifconfig [17:49] Nick change: root__ -> poincare101 [17:49] Thanks rob0. [17:50] poincare101: why is it that you're running a custom kernel? [17:50] poincare101, first, IRC as root is a bad idea. Second, why did you need , uh ^^ [17:50] Did the network come up in the stock Slackware kernel? [17:51] koolniczka: same for you, why do you need a custom kernel? [17:51] rob0: thats one of the questions i thought I would never see in this channel ;-) [17:52] huh? [17:52] I would like to see a 2.6.35 (kernel,config) in -current; I can't get my cdrom to show up with my normal config :( [17:52] btw, slackbasics.org is down. [17:52] ilker, that's nothing to do with slackware :p [17:52] Ugh. Is it possible to only blacklist this device? I've got several that use the ftdi_sio driver... but only want to blacklist this one device. [17:53] rob0: nwm, I just had the kernel config tuend to the hw, now after upgrade I would recompile ayway [17:53] poincare101 (~root@c-174-58-22-141.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:53] so why not go with 2.6.3..7 [17:53] thrice`: http://connie.slackware.com/~rworkman/config-generic-2.6.35.3 [17:53] Redb3ard: what about... um.... not plugging it in? [17:53] I do need the device. [17:53] The driver interferes with the libusb code that makes use of it. [17:54] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-45-240.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [17:54] Redb3ard: probably you want the "poke sysfs" method. Sorry, I don't recall more details. Google for "sysfs" and "unbind" [17:54] I've been preaching against wasting time on custom kernels for 11 years, in Slackware places. Usually no benefit for a lot of effort. [17:54] Redb3ard: aha. okay. [17:54] Action: rworkman is in rob0's choir [17:54] Action: adaptr runs a "custom" kernel [17:54] who is connie in http://connie.slackware.com/? [17:54] BOB's wife. [17:55] so she's definitely not called connie, then ? [17:55] rworkman: thx [17:55] because his name is definitely not bob [17:55] adaptr: eh? [17:55] oh, I am looking for the inevitable logic behind it [17:56] rob0: but custom kernels are so much fun! =P [17:56] rworkman, danke :> I"m super stumped; haven't had a hickup with this config since it's creation, and used oldconfig since [17:56] unless that's "ineffable" [17:56] ikar (~ikar@103.223.34.95.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [17:56] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._%22Bob%22_Dobbs#Connie_Dobbs [17:56] I wouldn't mind if slackware-current went backwards to 2.6.32.20. I'm not sure what is lost. Maybe the that french nvidia driver I can't spell it [17:57] rworkman: ah, logic. thanks :) [17:57] foobarz: "nouveau" [17:57] lol, i thought about a real woman [17:57] adaptr: of course. Would you expect otherwise? :) [17:57] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:57] hello, flash player sound suddenly went dead. How can i resort the problem? [17:57] Uninstall flash. [17:57] ikar, restart FF [17:57] Or that. [17:57] What, you think Bob and Connie are not real?!? Heretic!! [17:58] unless it locked your entire system [17:58] rob0: ssht! you'll wake the zombies [17:58] it is sound in xmms and system-sounds are okey [17:59] thrice`, i'll try that [18:00] Thanks rworkman. [18:01] dive: success! ;) [18:01] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-45-240.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:01] pupit, nice - boot time better now? [18:03] brb [18:03] dive: affirmative, just need to recompile again, since my wireless somehow didnt work.. [18:03] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:04] Mowah (~Mowah@c-888be555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:04] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [18:05] Mowah (~Mowah@c-888be555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [18:05] ridout (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. 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[19:15] linuxgoob (~linuxgoob@adsl-99-73-24-226.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:20] poincare101 (~poincare1@c-174-58-22-141.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:22] Hello everyone. I installed a new linux kernel on my slackware machine. Since then, my ethernet has stopped working. ifconfig doesn't show eth0 [19:22] ilker_ (~ilker@88.241.146.78) joined ##slackware. [19:22] I tried netconfig, that doesn't do anything. [19:23] I can't understand how to re-dhcp to get a new address from my router [19:23] the little lights by my ethernet cable are on. [19:23] sinuhe (~sinuhe@206.40.200.147) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:23] ilker (~ilker@last.fm/user/ilker) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:23] Nick change: ilker_ -> ilker [19:23] ilker (~ilker@88.241.146.78) left irc: Changing host [19:23] ilker (~ilker@last.fm/user/ilker) joined ##slackware. [19:23] Nick change: WireWulf -> Vladd7 [19:24] Nick change: Vladd7 -> WireWulf [19:24] ikar (~ikar@103.223.34.95.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [19:24] sounds like kernel compile fail++ [19:24] jim___ (a25373d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.83.115.216) joined ##slackware. [19:24] mancha: I compiled it twice. Checked make menuconfig too. [19:24] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [19:24] i got no sound in youtube and pidgin [19:25] if (not good enough to brew own kernel) then done(); [19:25] jcn0 (~jcn@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [19:25] artvdroid (~androirc@220.sub-174-222-4.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [19:26] jim___ (a25373d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.162.83.115.216) left irc: Client Quit [19:26] mancha: what that some kind of python? 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[19:42] huh? [19:43] slackware full install means that it installs all the official packages... [19:44] oscurochu, it's like asking if a BMW 3 series is the same as a Ford Focus. [19:44] "Same" depends on what you are asking about. [19:45] neBu (1000@neBu.ro) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:45] Will both transport you from one location to the other? Yes, they are the same. [19:45] Are both passenger vehicles? Yes, they are the same. [19:46] To a biker, they're the same, we call them "cages." [19:46] A full install of ubuntu can fill everybody's basic needs. I'm not sure if installing slackware full will do the same. like if there are multiple image viewers, will it install all the image viewers or just one of them chosen by slackware? [19:46] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [19:46] Are they both made by the same company? No, they are not the same... [19:46] oscurochu, a "Full" install, will install all packages Slackware offers. [19:46] ferdna (~yup@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [19:46] That means that duplicates can exist. [19:48] so basically, if there are multiple image viewers, or web browsers, or anything, all the varieties that slackware officially supports will be installed with the full install? [19:48] I heard that many slackware users choose to do the slackware full install because it is easier, however I am somewhat of a minimalist, but don't quite know enough about what I'm doing to handle dependencies on my own [19:49] artvdroid (~androirc@220.sub-174-222-4.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Bye [19:49] For "full", if such conditions exist, yes. [19:49] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [19:50] If you want to strip things down, a "menu" install should be okay. [19:50] I usually leave /l/ alone and let it install full for that. [19:50] I've played around with arch, and I'm mainly a gentoo user. I also use ubuntu on my laptop, because it's my primary computer and i'd prefer to not worry about compiling, and i really don't like arch linux. something about arch always drives me away [19:50] oscurochu not doing a full install and not knowing what you are doing are at odds with each other [19:51] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.234) joined ##slackware. [19:52] how easy is it to remove an application, along with all of its dependencies that aren't associated with another application? [19:53] Slackware doesn't do dependency management. [19:53] Package removal is as easy as "removepkg" [19:53] I just dont want to have all these daemons, command line programs, and GUI applications i don't use to clutter up my system. [19:53] Action: Motoko-chan has had multiple bad experiences with Ubuntu, doesn't like GNOME, and finds Kubuntu to be painful [19:53] Action: Motoko-chan uses Mandriva for desktop purposes [19:53] I know slackware doesn't do dependency management, thats why I asked the question. [19:54] It's very easy to be minimal. [19:54] Disabling services is very easy. [19:54] aarchvile (~aarchvile@ip-87.viapori.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:55] I just don't wanna go through the trouble of installing or uninstalling applications one by one, especially since slackware doesn't resolve dependencies. I've been wanting to try slackware for a long time now, I'm just worried it'll be more time consuming than just installing gentoo. [19:55] and gettting exactly what i want, no more, no less. [19:55] It's not too bad. [19:57] what is a popular kde bit torrent application? [19:58] im a gnome user, but would like to try kde for once. [19:58] KTorrent [19:58] oscurochu, kde comes with ktorrent [19:59] If you like the way uTorrent looks, qBittorrent is also decent. [20:00] i used utorrent, but not for the way it looks. transmission is sufficient for me, it gets the job done. thats all i care about. and some sort of information about download speeds, seeds/peers, etc. [20:01] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-74-118.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [20:02] down1nut (~mike@c-76-122-156-95.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:02] ^kleanchap (~scotty@p5B11A57E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [20:04] nachox (~Ignacio@133-74-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [20:04] is there a slackware dvd [20:05] mevermind [20:05] artvdroid (~androirc@220.sub-174-222-4.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. 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[20:22] you need the actual svn addy, not the webview http addy [20:22] You might want to talk to the folks in #madwifi [20:22] :) [20:22] svn co http://madwifi-project.org/svn/madwifi/trunk madwifi [20:22] that should put it in a director called "madwifi" in your pwd [20:24] garme (~garme@187.79.82.195) joined ##slackware. [20:26] lamah, if you hunt around for it, madwifi also has a daily snapshot (they make a tarball out of HEAD). the benefit is you don't get all the svn meta stuff. the downside is you don't get all the svn meta stuff. [20:30] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:30] replay (replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [20:31] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [20:32] troy (~troy@dsl-67-55-21-2.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] oscurochu (~jason@cpe-72-185-223-171.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:36] does a slack haves a pastebin tool? [20:36] like wgetpaste [20:36] ... [20:37] slackbook turkish translation is broken, i am gonna translate it :) [20:37] dios_mio (net@88.244.196.122) joined ##slackware. [20:37] * Now talking in #linuxhelp [20:37] * Topic is ' Thanks for your help guys, R-ing TFM worked a treat. Have a good night!' [20:37] (from efnet) [20:37] i need paste tool [20:37] like wgetpaste? [20:38] for console.. [20:40] dip (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:43] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:44] ilker (~ilker@last.fm/user/ilker) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:46] hi, where I can see the iptables logs ? [20:46] dmesg ? [20:47] paul424, in syslog. 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[21:42] hi everyone, can someone please explain to me whats going on here, and how i can fix it? thanks!: http://pastebin.com/69gqy7hf [21:42] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.31.118) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:44] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-28-68.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:45] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.31.118) joined ##slackware. [21:49] ahh, i think i found my problem, i may have to downgrade jdk [21:51] |Slacker| (~cris@189.26.28.190.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:52] garme (~garme@187.79.82.195) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:52] artvdroid (~androirc@220.sub-174-222-4.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [21:53] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488F271.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:56] goj (~goj@p4FE6BE11.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [21:57] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:58] apache serves comments in markup, yes? [22:00] hmm, nvm, it wasn't jdk that was bugging out for me :\ [22:00] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [22:00] deco (deco@unaffiliated/deco) left ##slackware. [22:04] Yes. [22:08] darchstar (~ameer@c-24-13-236-173.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:09] Nick change: jcn0 -> frk [22:12] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-72-82-81-30.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] Howdy all [22:25] hey MLanden [22:25] Evening MLanden. [22:25] hey shonudo [22:25] Evening rhisa [22:27] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-28-68.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: brb...i hope [22:27] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:30] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. 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I had a 13.0 disk lying around, so I popped that one in, instead. I have two hard disks, and the DVD only detects one of them. Unfortunately, it [23:21] it's not detecting the one I want to install slackware onto [23:21] estevao (~estevao@186.212.126.152) joined ##slackware. [23:21] they are two different types of hard drives, the one it detects is a SATA, and i forget the name for the other type [23:21] any help on this issue? [23:21] estevao (estevao@186.212.126.152) left ##slackware. [23:22] oscurochu, what's the boot order in bios? [23:22] not sure, let me check. [23:22] oscurochu: the new kernels detect IDE and SATA/SAS/SCSI as sd devices [23:22] whats fdisk -l show? [23:23] try fdisk for sda1 or similar [23:23] and go from there [23:23] Boot device priority: Floppy, CDROM, HDD. [23:23] see gniks' post [23:23] fdisk [23:23] HDD group priority: SATA, and then the other HDD [23:23] im in bios, cause you asked. now let me reboot [23:23] well, that would explain why it finds your sata [23:24] what is the name for the other type of hard drive? [23:24] pata [23:24] or ide [23:24] ide [23:25] chendy (~chatzilla@204.152.211.137) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:25] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.224.120) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:26] nevermind, this wasnt even an issue, i just forgot that hard disks are named /dev/hd* [23:26] :) [23:28] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:30] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.246.171) joined ##slackware. [23:30] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [23:30] I keep my boot, home, and root partitions seperate. Should my root partition use ext2, ext3 or ext4? Advantages/disadvantages to any of them? [23:31] I use ext3 [23:32] Thats what I usually use, but I really don't know much about file systems [23:32] heavytanhat (~Eddie_Lee@cpe-70-124-57-44.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:32] I'll just stick with ext3 if nobody has any reason not to otherwise [23:33] I like ext3 becuse it just works [23:33] if btrfs was a bit more stable... I'd probably use it [23:33] I use ext4. [23:33] Why not? [23:33] why not what? [23:33] I don't have any prob with ext4. [23:33] ext4 is a bit nicer on larger FS's [23:33] never said anything was wron gwith ext4 did I [23:33] I prefer ext3 [23:33] Dominian: why do you prefer it? [23:34] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.239.72) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:34] Dominian, oh no I wasn't talking to you. [23:34] larger? what's considered "larger?" my home partition is the largest, which is 40GB. It's ext4 already though. [23:34] gniks: Its never failed me for one. The last I heard with ext4 and LVM volumes it didn't like to resize partitions right.. ext3.. no issues. [23:34] robotghost (~robotghos@75-137-69-192.dhcp.mtgm.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:34] rhisa: my bad then [23:34] Dominian: ext4 is "supposed" to be easier to resize with LVM [23:34] I keep my boot, home, and root partitions seperate. Should my root partition use ext2, ext3 or ext4? [23:34] I was answering him. [23:34] ive not had issues with it thus far [23:34] gniks: "supposed" to [23:34] I'm still not sold on it. [23:34] Dominian: thats why i quoted it [23:35] Dominian: ext4 is ext3 with additional features which are optional [23:35] I know. [23:35] I wish there was sort of progress bar for formatting, unless there is that i dont know about [23:35] akmalhamdani (~giantpand@114.123.11.84) joined ##slackware. [23:35] Going to bed now, good night. [23:35] goodnight. [23:36] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-227-37-51.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:40] how do i remove a package and its dependencies? is it reletively easy as compared to installing a package and its dependencies? [23:40] heavytanhat (Eddie_Lee@cpe-70-124-57-44.austin.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [23:41] i don't know that i'd bother removing dependencies, but that's just me [23:41] no its exactly the same, its 100% manual [23:42] is CUPS required to use a printer? [23:42] oscurochu: technically no, but practically yes [23:42] so its a good idea i install it? [23:43] oscurochu: you could use ghostscript and lpd and such, but cups is best [23:43] really cups is? [23:43] thought oracle bought cups and everyone switched out since oracle is killing everything [23:43] herbz: cups is an apple project [23:44] herbz: and fully open source [23:44] nice [23:44] herbz: it's the default print system on OS X [23:44] so most printer manufacturers don't have to do much more to support linux, since they likely already support OS X [23:44] ya maybe I will have to set that up as well.... I finally got enough money for a printer and now have one [23:45] if you have an hp, install hpijs as well - they've got great printer support for linux [23:45] Kirari-chan (~tsukishim@92.21.153.51) joined ##slackware. [23:45] na i have lexmark bought it based on the price bro [23:45] lexmark printers should work too, usually :) [23:46] printing in linux isn't so bad these days [23:46] you might need to get a driver from lexmark, but it should work with cups [23:46] ya my friend was showing me a web gui for cups too at the office the other day [23:46] herbz: that exact gui exists on all the macs as well, only with a different css theme to make it more mac-like :) [23:47] default with cups install, eh? [23:47] yep - one of the handful of things that apple has really done right, with regard to open source [23:47] llvm+clang is another [23:47] ZMR (~Who_cares@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [23:47] cool [23:48] ya, I am installed psql now [23:48] postgresql ^^ [23:48] Action: troy likes postgresql - wonders why it isn't more popular... [23:49] maybe it will be now that oracle is playing the starring role as big-bad, and holds the mysql rights [23:49] i still need mysql because psql has slow inserts compared to mysql [23:49] just psql for the archive search [23:50] heh :) [23:52] do you do any VM? [23:56] I use virtualbox, another sun project that's semi-open; now owned by oracle as well [23:56] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-72-82-81-30.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:56] thinking about switching or? [00:00] --- Tue Aug 24 2010