[00:02] my GD broadcom gigabit nic doesn't support jumbo frames but my intel pro1000 does [00:03] broadcom ftl!! [00:03] lol [00:03] Now I need another system with an intel pro1000 so i can play [00:03] buy a nic [00:04] intel makes some very nice NICs [00:05] eelriver (n=eelriver@c-24-130-112-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:05] I have a switch and one system that both support jumbo frames any my only other gigabit system on the lan doesn't support jumbo frames...."it's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife" [00:07] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:07] is there something better than a router? [00:07] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:08] dchmelik: what do you mean? [00:08] Action: andarius hands antiwire a knife (via jumbo frame) :o [00:08] there are "layer 3 switches" which are basically switches with routing capability [00:08] something that works like a router but you do not have to periodically shut off for a while [00:08] umm, we call that arouter that works [00:09] a.k.a not junk [00:09] jeez [00:09] peez [00:09] but a router is a router, the only ways one is better than another is if one routes faster ie. higher throughout or has more features ie. packet inspection [00:09] or is better constructed or uses better more reliable parts [00:09] anyone know the 'quick' command offhand for turning a slackware tree into a dvd iso? alienbob's script makes cdrom isos, not dvd isos [00:10] Actually, when I say faster I mean both throughput and latency [00:10] dartmouth: there is a howtod with a cli example in the tree [00:10] s/howtod/howto/ [00:10] I thought that script called get_slack_current or something makes DVD ISOs [00:10] glarb (i=1000@c-68-42-189-210.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:10] it's mkisofs i've done it before [00:10] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/kd9qEI85.html [00:11] im just not sure which params to pass to it real quick [00:11] again, there is a howto in the tree with an example [00:11] ( a working example) [00:11] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:11] I posted a snipped of the script I use to make current DVD iso images [00:12] can i haz chez burger noe? [00:12] Action: andarius takes his knife back from antiwire :P [00:12] you're not really going to make me dig through the tree are you? [00:12] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.158) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:12] I sure as hell would [00:13] *a single tear rolls down my cheek* [00:13] Action: andarius hands antiwire a tissue ( via jumbo frame ) :o [00:13] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.158) joined ##slackware. [00:13] I'm about throw some jumbo frames all about the channel [00:13] I will be here some night [00:13] when you need help [00:13] and are drunk [00:13] and i will say [00:13] yeah right.... [00:14] 'RTFM' [00:14] whitty fail [00:14] it'll be decades from now when I have a clue. [00:14] Don't make me put my thumb over this cat5e and spray you some jumbos [00:14] 'jumbos?' [00:14] lol [00:14] you will roux this day :P [00:15] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/roux [00:15] have it for dinner? wtf :| [00:15] rouuuuuux [00:15] hahaha [00:15] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A77BF1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:15] roux sounds pretty good [00:16] it does :) [00:16] Action: dartmouth waves his hands in a voodoo style [00:16] (roux) [00:16] you're scaring the children [00:16] stop talking about food, we are getting hungry [00:16] i have jimmy dean sausage. [00:16] no joke. [00:17] seriously though give me the mkisofs params you used. [00:17] Action: andarius turns his back on this... [00:18] bastard. [00:18] i posted a whole example [00:18] Action: dartmouth reaches out [00:18] dartmouth: antiwire did just that [00:18] i have no x [00:18] oh no you didn't. [00:18] how is that in any way relevant? [00:19] excuses [00:20] ok i looked at it and all i see is some band-aid-ed contortion involving environment variables [00:20] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.17.158) joined ##slackware. [00:21] if you seek amy, I will just RTFM. [00:21] i knew an amy [00:21] she was a bitch [00:22] i don't talk to her anymore [00:22] Action: deco cries to sleep [00:22] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.53.66.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [00:23] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [00:24] god i am in the only part of the country getting snow this year. [00:25] yup [00:26] at least the elder gods you knew where you stood with them by the lightning bolt sticking out of your ass. this new one, man, he's passive aggressive. [00:26] dartmouth: dude get a life [00:26] or a blog [00:27] stop spamming here [00:27] how dare you! [00:27] ok im not really that upset. [00:27] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.53.66.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:30] oh thank god [00:30] your welcome [00:30] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:31] urthwrm (n=urthwrm@124-170-224-88.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [00:33] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:34] dfrank (n=dfrank@94.19.35.79) joined ##slackware. [00:36] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-52-224.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:37] dfrank (n=dfrank@94.19.35.79) left irc: SendQ exceeded [00:37] dfrank (n=dfrank@94.19.35.79) joined ##slackware. [00:43] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "PEBKAC, ID-10-T clicked the X ^_^" [00:45] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [00:49] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.158) left irc: Connection timed out [00:49] benagain (n=benagain@ppp-71-143-112-68.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [00:49] benagain (n=benagain@ppp-71-143-112-68.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:49] nixchix0r (n=nixchix@97-127-217-97.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:51] check this thing out http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps9972/index.html [00:53] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-47.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [00:53] Wyeah, check out the price tag as well :( [00:53] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:54] but it's the heart of your digital environment. [00:54] Mick_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:55] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [00:57] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:57] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:57] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:00] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [01:02] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [01:04] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@24.159.166.178 expired. [01:04] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@24.159.166.178' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [01:06] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:07] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:08] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-awmgaqmwmdcxznmg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:08] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:09] kukukk (n=dvorak@188.24.65.220) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:09] there was a stray process of sbopkg running using 50% cpu. [01:10] just killed it and wow, the computer doesn't even a little faster. [01:10] *doesn't seem [01:10] what did you expect [01:11] do you understand how a cpu scheduler works? [01:11] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:11] i have a G3650 sitting as my backbone at work. [01:13] hope to soon replace my 10/100 unmanaged switch with another soon.. You know about 1 and 3/4 years ago they were still using 10/100 Hubs.... Yes, Hubs, two 48 port hubs... blew my mind when i first started there. [01:14] at least they werent 10 half duplex hubs [01:14] spook: I thought the cpu being used at 50% and then being freed up might feel a little different on the GUI. But the GUI wasn't really slow to being with. So I guess the difference won't be noticed. [01:14] i couldn't tell since most windows drivers don't show what duplex they auto.. but the ones that did show it were all half. [01:15] spook: but do I understand how a cpu schedular works on the OS level? Nope. No idea. I don't write OS's. I'm use them. [01:15] juice (i=juice@65.28.100.209) joined ##slackware. [01:15] hehe [01:15] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [01:16] Teratogen (i=leontopo@unaffiliated/teratogen) joined ##slackware. [01:16] good evening [01:16] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-35.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:18] lol, http://bit.ly/4SxnO7 [01:18] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:18] gimmy back my xml!!!! /footstomp [01:18] hubs are nightmares [01:18] doesnt really hurt em [01:19] the only time i use hubs is when i need to packet sniff inline [01:19] antiwire: dood.. i know. they had some of the servers plugged into them.. those some, were the EMR servers.... [01:19] especially if your hub is phoenix and your next flight is in 3 hours. [01:19] other than that they are my worst enemy [01:19] slackwarebob: it was more me making a point of not understanding exactly what 50% usage means [01:19] arghh2d2 (n=arghh2d2@cpe-98-30-113-178.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:20] but this previous admin was a god send, a golden child. he held all the hands and sucked all the...thumbs. [01:20] pretty much all managed switches support the extremely basic feature called port mirroring [01:20] spook: normally, when I kill a process taking 50% cpu power, it is noticeable on the system. So I wondered why this wasn't visible. But there could be good reasons that the OS didn't let the 50% useage become an issue. :) [01:20] spook: but you're right, who knows how the cpu scheduler works. [01:21] slackwarebob: well, i have a pretty good understanding of cpu scheduler design. 50% usage still means the cpu is idle half the time. [01:21] any reason why my X would be running as root, if I didn't start it as root? [01:21] we had to learn about schedulers in operating systems class [01:21] true 50% is still free. [01:21] it's not using 50% of the power, it means that the process which is showing at 50% is using the cpu 50% of the time [01:21] Action: byteframe hearts all _rlw xfce goodie packs. [01:22] it's not a power measure, it is a usage over time measure [01:22] antiwire: :) [01:22] true, but one proc taking 50% normally brings the system to a slower speed. [01:22] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:22] simply relating my regular experience with this specific time. [01:23] my operating systems professor was a fan of con kvalis so I wonder if he is running the BFS now [01:23] what process is doing this, what version of slack/kernel and what kind of hardware cpu/ram ? [01:24] my systems programming instructor was a fan of volkswagen bugs and talked about his wife bunyons on her feet often. [01:24] he rarely ever talked computers. [01:24] hehe, back of a VW bug... reminds me of Mall Rats. :D [01:24] except to remind you that the next program was due soon. [01:24] lol [01:25] using slackware 13, stock kernel, 39G of ram (2G :p), core 2 duo something. [01:25] I guess you can think of 50% thing as power but not in the sense of watts [01:25] old VW's are fun to work on [01:26] 39G or 3.9G? [01:26] and what is pegging your proc? [01:26] or were you just talking in general? [01:26] no, I put 2G in parenthesis, it was a joke to say 39G of ram. [01:26] also, how are you reporting it? if you are reporting it via top you might want to make sure you have it set to display load on both cores [01:27] instead of the combined mode [01:27] sbopkg was pegging it at 50%. It was a stray process. [01:27] I had killed my X and restarted it and it was running in one of the konsole windows and remained running. [01:27] reporting is using the system activity monitor on KDE. [01:27] did you try to reproduce? [01:28] no, I don't really want to kill my X and restart all the apps. :) [01:29] so you had a problem with a defunc process pretty much... hrmm doesn't really seem like that big of a deal. [01:29] why would a cpu at 50% slow things down? [01:29] in this case it especially depends on how that tool is reporting [01:29] use top and hit 1 while it is running [01:29] how did you kill X? [01:30] shouldn't have to kill X to kill sbopkg either [01:30] sure it is clear that speed is inversely related to temperature, is that what you mean? [01:30] agentc0re: logging out via kde menu. [01:30] do you start via, startx? [01:30] keyboard was stuck. killed X. Some running apps such as sbopkg remained running. [01:31] yes, there are some issues, logging out via menus from DEs sometimes do not kill all the X clients, which is bad mojo [01:31] no, I have the runlevel set to autostart X. [01:31] hehe. It's all good. I was just commenting on how I figured it would have been noticeable. [01:31] logging out is not killing X. ctrl-alt-bkspace is killing X, FWIW. [01:32] iirc "log out" from xfce kills X [01:32] agentc0re: that's true. I've been killing X so much on this machine that I say killing X. This is pretty much the only time I actually logged out via the menu when there was a problem. [01:32] I must run guys. Will be back later. :) [01:32] has anyone seen this "Kill Dash Nine" song on youtube? cracked me up [01:32] well sbopkg is something a lot of us use, if you found a bug it would be wise to see if it's reproducible. but honestly, it doesn't sound like anything alarming, but more "normal" than anything. [01:33] why are you killing X so much? 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[01:36] hi , i need "libebml 0.7.8" but tthere download website is down today , can any upload iit for me ? :-? :-s [01:37] "libebml 0.7.8" is needed to build vlc" [01:38] :-s [01:39] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:39] user51 (i=c747d65e@gateway/web/freenode/x-cenzxxvcxrptaicn) left irc: "Page closed" [01:39] their site is up [01:40] oops, spoke too soon, you are righrt [01:40] not for user51.. mancha, he left any hoot. [01:40] mancha: but hey, will you download me that file from that one site is down? [01:41] Action: agentc0re retires [01:41] nite all [01:43] LITesterB (n=Bob@CPE001cf0f641f7-CM000a7365ada2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [01:48] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [01:48] PurpleSmurf (i=1000@c-68-56-209-186.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[02:14] Wescotte_ (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:15] lost_in_tx (i=4670e0b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-kuyunjyjtkxybako) joined ##slackware. [02:15] Hi! [02:16] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:17] I'm visiting my parents in Austin and trying to get my laptop connected (dad is using Road Runner). Does anyone here know if they use dhcp or pppoe? I used netconfig to configure stuff to use dhcp but haven't been able to successfully poll the dhcp server. [02:17] I've googled like mad but the only stuff concering road runner, austin, and linux are some 9+ year old redhat faqs [02:17] *concerning [02:18] are you connecting directly to the modem? [02:19] if so, that should take care of the PPPoE if it uses it [02:19] yessir [02:19] well, directly how? [02:19] err, I said that wrong [02:19] I'm using an ethernet cable [02:19] but my father's pos Windows ME machine does the same and that's what I'm using now. :D [02:19] directly as in no router in between [02:19] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-017-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:19] oh, ok [02:19] then yes [02:20] do they have a router? [02:20] earp_child (n=Dirty@72-4-87-94.gncsin06.customers.broadreach.net) joined ##slackware. [02:20] no router [02:20] just a cable modem, by Ambit [02:20] if its cable then it's not (likly) to be PPPoE [02:20] *likely [02:21] haha yeah I'm a dork :) [02:21] I think I left my brain in California. :P [02:21] must be something in the water [02:21] it's possible that road runner over there only assigns to registered MAC addrs [02:21] ya, Austin water has a weird smell to it [02:22] it is, because in the instructions it mentions going to activation.rr.com to register [02:22] you can try to spoof your mac addr to that of your Dad's win ME [02:22] that sucks [02:22] oh yeah [02:22] I could [02:22] seriously, I took a shower and the showerhead has massive mineral deposits on it [02:23] I actually took a tour of some nearby caves in San Marcos and got a good idea of how big the aquifer is [02:23] never been [02:23] I think the water comes straight from it, and it smells down there [02:23] thought it came from lake austin [02:24] it has a moldy stink to it [02:24] at least in the summer months [02:24] my parents will only drink bottled water, and they even cook with it [02:24] maybe that's why Texans have such a reputation - they are drinking contaminated water [02:24] what is the name of the NIC on your box connected to the modem, eth0? [02:24] heh [02:25] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:25] St. Elmo's Fire Redux [02:25] is there an application like htop but for network interfaces ? [02:26] lost_in_tx: ip link set dev eth0 address DE:AD:BE:EF:FF:FF [02:26] that will change it (at least until reboot) [02:26] ntop i think [02:26] siegex; thanks [02:26] but I like ifstatus [02:26] I'm getting the mac address now [02:27] it uses a graph history using curses so it works in a non-X term [02:27] Sec-Boy2929 (n=fn-javac@ppp089210213241.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:27] greetings [02:28] Nick change: Sec-Boy2929 -> The-Croupier [02:28] do you wish us no harm? [02:28] SiegeX ??? [02:28] ofc... [02:28] greetings people of Earth, we wish you no harm... [02:28] etc [02:28] lol [02:29] SiegeX thanks man u made my day... [02:30] well at least some good came from today. [02:30] well, that is true... [02:31] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-gupankzhgfzkcbmo) joined ##slackware. [02:31] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.75.243) left irc: "Leaving" [02:33] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [02:33] SiegeX: thanks! [02:33] ? [02:33] sorry, /nick lost_in_tx [02:34] heh, what did I do now? [02:34] lost_in_tx (i=4670e0b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-kuyunjyjtkxybako) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [02:34] helped me get online with my laptop [02:34] oh [02:34] :D [02:34] SiegeX: looks like its your day today [02:34] making everybody's day [02:34] except I used ifconfig to change my mac addy, not ip link [02:34] maybe my good karma will get me the wallet back that sombody pick pocketed from me today =| [02:34] oh dude that's fucking lame [02:35] godling have a look at macchanger ;) [02:35] especially the -r option ;0 [02:35] that's why you should coat your wallet in a poison that only you have the antidote for [02:35] The-Croupier: I had that installed on my laptop when I was using archlinux [02:35] heh, I should "stinkfist" my wallet [02:35] SiegeX: put up yours;) then use it ;) [02:35] err stinkpalm [02:35] Action: The-Croupier hides [02:36] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: "leaving" [02:36] zybr0n1 (n=Lisius@c-76-116-27-122.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:37] godling: ever been to 'The Salt Lick' [02:38] earp_child (n=Dirty@72-4-87-94.gncsin06.customers.broadreach.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:38] SiegeX: no sir [02:38] SiegeX: what/where is that? [02:38] they have the best damn brisket in all of TX [02:39] you can find lots of salt licks here in the woods where hunters try to shoot deer and turkey [02:39] i go to austin once every year in Aug for business and the salt lick is pretty much on the top of my list for reasons to go [02:40] that sounds like semi cheating. [02:41] I prefer going to bbq restaurants [02:41] I'll keep it in mind, SiegeX [02:41] I should go now [02:41] see ya [02:41] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [02:45] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start" [02:47] Salt licks for turkey? [02:48] i thought that conversation was finished... :( [02:48] i hoped so anyway.... [02:50] bzzzzz (n=user@213.149.138.222) joined ##slackware. [02:51] hunting for turkey reminds me of "The Gobbler Guillotine" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSKy3PbddZk [02:53] two things made my day to day ... SiegeX and bofh episode...;) [02:53] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "what fun what fun" [02:54] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [02:55] hiya alisonken1noc [02:56] yo The-Croupier: [02:57] how do I `sed -i -e 's/this/that/' filename` for only the first instance of this? [02:57] trimmer (n=trimmer@63-228-162-86.cdrr.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [03:04] sed 's/this/that/1' maybe? [03:05] normally, unless the s//g (the g) option is used, only the first instance is changed IIRC [03:06] sed '/this/{s//that/;q}' [03:07] i guess alisonken1noc's answer could be correct too depending on if by 'first instance' is on a per-line or per-file basis [03:07] mine is per-file [03:09] I believe it's per-instance, not per-file [03:10] one way to tell - use a temp file with a couple of instances and try it [03:11] well by default sed 's/this/that/' will only change the first instance [03:11] echo "this\nthis\nthat other" | sed 's/this/that/' [03:11] that\nthis\nthat other [03:11] echo -e [03:11] ok - no /g option only replaces the first instance [03:11] the g flag makes it a global replacement (but within a stream, sed is a stream editor) [03:11] EuroTrash (n=rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:11] I think that was the question [03:12] ok, i thought he meant only the first instance in the whole file [03:12] that's what I thought too [03:12] EuroTrash (n=rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:12] that's the response - unless the /g option is given, sed only replaces the first instance in the file [03:12] no [03:13] or in the current stream, so if sed is called once with multiple files, it only replaces the first instance of the first file [03:13] no? [03:13] no first instance in a line [03:13] it'll replace the first instance in each line (aka stream) [03:13] Nick change: reallove_ -> reallove [03:13] sed operates on a line-basis, not a file basis, without specifying g for global it will change the first occurrence of each line within a file [03:14] not first occurrence in a file [03:14] with g it'll replace each instance in each line [03:14] ah - gotcha [03:14] echo "this this this" | sed 's/this/that/' (1st instance) sed 's/this/that/g' (all 3 instances) sed 's/this/that/3' (3rd instance) [03:14] etc [03:15] sahk0 (n=sahk0@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [03:15] echo -e 'this\nthis\nthat' | sed 's/this/that/' replaced all instances of this because this was on separate lines [03:16] yep [03:16] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-222.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:17] alisonken1noc: if you truly only want to replace the first incidence in each file, you need to investigate swap and hold of pattern spaces, something like sed '0,/whateverregex/s//someotherregex/' filepattern [03:18] epigrammaticus: this was for byteframe [03:18] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:19] epigrammaticus: funny, I tried that but with '1' instead of '0' and it breaks with s// [03:20] sahk0 (n=sahk0@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left ##slackware. [03:20] alisonken1noc: you might get better mileage out of awk instead of sed [03:21] epigrammaticus: probably - but byteframe is the one asking [03:21] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:21] [processing[ [03:22] epigrammaticus, i did get the sense that awk was preferable. your solution does work for sed though, thanks all. [03:23] alisonken1noc: lol, I thought by byteframe you meant some kind of processing directive, and it meant nothing to me [03:23] :) [03:23] I am a witty, super intelligent computer program yes. [03:24] Action: epigrammaticus inputs random digits between 1 and 49 into byteframe to get tomorrow's winning lottery numbers [03:24] 4 [03:24] 2 [03:24] 768 [03:25] bingo.... [03:28] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:28] Artio (n=_@port-13663.pppoe.wtnet.de) joined ##slackware. [03:28] "... and bingo was his name-0" [03:29] alisonken1noc, you are confusing him with Gringo :p [03:29] no, that's Clint Eastwood :) [03:29] Action: The-Croupier thinks its time to change pcs... ;) [03:29] respect. [03:30] The-Croupier (n=fn-javac@ppp089210213241.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: "Java user signed off" [03:31] and Clint Eastwad was his name-0? [03:32] wow, that would be a great name for a pr0nstah, Clint Eastwad [03:32] heh [03:33] starring Clit Eastwat [03:34] in Very Dirty Harry... [03:37] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [03:37] Can anybody suggest a gtk based music player similar to rhythmbox, sans the gnome dependencies? [03:40] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.36) joined ##slackware. [03:40] Clit Eatswood would be a sick girl's name [03:41] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [03:43] i need a favor...:( Could some of you visit my website: www.ksandro.info , trying to make an irc channel through there... so that my students can communicate after school etc, dont know if it logs in everybody though... i tried it with two ppl, but i have the impression that doesnt work for more then 4... :( [03:47] lol, http://i.imgur.com/KN9Uw.jpg [03:48] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-222.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:48] v4nelle (n=van@78-163-94.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:49] |dfrank| (n=dfrank@94.19.35.79) joined ##slackware. [03:50] holy crap why am I still up? [03:51] because you haven't went to sleep? [03:51] touche [03:51] seriously though, wtf are you still up for? [03:52] :P [03:52] can't sleep [03:52] clowns will eat me [03:52] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-017-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [03:53] eh, one taste and I'm sure they'll run away and be haunted themselves. [03:54] eviljames: need an invitation idea for anything? (NSFW) http://i.imgur.com/i6T2z.jpg [03:54] dfrank (n=dfrank@94.19.35.79) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:56] by far, best invitation ever made. [03:56] Action: eviljames attends party [03:57] If that's the invitation, I'm sure it would be one hell of a party. [03:58] s/party/orgy/ [03:58] Well, I have started on building PAM.. [03:59] good, now to *finish* the PAM stuff. :) [03:59] lajevardi (n=sepehr@unaffiliated/lajevardi) joined ##slackware. [03:59] heh, it is only the first step in a loooooong set of steps [04:00] indeed [04:00] lajevardi (n=sepehr@unaffiliated/lajevardi) left ##slackware. [04:00] apparently knetworkmanager4 is going to be in extragear soon, so perhaps it will become part of slackware 13.1 [04:00] cool, that's what I'm using on the lappy with openSUSE, knetworkmanager [04:01] works well? [04:01] yeah [04:01] what version? [04:01] elliot98 (n=elliot@bzq-79-181-115-219.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [04:02] I'm not sure, I have extra repos enabled, and am using kde 4.3.85. I have the lappy shut down for the night, it's 03:01 so I'll be going in a few. [04:03] Action: byteframe finds: http://code.google.com/p/gogglesmm/ and a slackbuilds.org script. [04:03] ah, no worries [04:03] eviljames: 0.9.svn1057339 [04:04] entire package name is: NetworkManager-kde4-0.9.svn1057339-129.6.x86_64.rpm [04:05] amaranthine (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." [04:05] sweet, that's all i need [04:05] weebuttons (n=mupi@196.205.139.61) joined ##slackware. [04:05] i have a later revision than that, so hopefully it doesn't depend on 4.3.85+ [04:07] eviljames: The KDE43 repo, which is at 4.3.4, uses: NetworkManager-kde4-0.9.svn1043876-5.3.x86_64.rpm [04:08] and on that note, I'm out. Later everyone. Take care. [04:09] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." [04:10] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:10] john_dee (n=id@95-29-147-149.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [04:11] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) joined ##slackware. [04:16] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [04:16] bzzzzz (n=user@213.149.138.222) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:17] i have a user that must login by ssh but i want to restrict him only to it's /home. [04:17] what should i doi? [04:24] you could chroot him, but you would also have to bind/link system binaries (like ls) into his chrooted home [04:26] smica (n=smica@h128-254.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [04:30] Artio (n=_@port-13663.pppoe.wtnet.de) left irc: Client Quit [04:31] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@109.78.82.205) joined ##slackware. [04:32] anyone used solaris in the past? impressions..... [04:32] sorry for asking: i do value the professional opinion in this channel...:( [04:33] Guest23883 (n=adam@173-26-205-184.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [04:33] we've got a kid playing with solaris - I haven't played with it though, so don't have an opinion [04:33] from what he says, the main reason for playing with opensolaris is zfs [04:34] zfs?! [04:34] 'z' file system - supposed to be more robust than extX or reiserfs [04:34] i see... [04:35] apart from that...anything else... [04:35] he didn't mention anything else other than it's main systems were sun machines - although opensolaris was supposed to be ported to x86 - which is what he's running on a raid system we have for testing [04:35] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-gupankzhgfzkcbmo) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [04:37] Guest23883 (n=adam@173-26-205-184.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). 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[05:45] alienBOB: which one.. they are all fine manuals.. personally i dont know which to read first :p [05:45] The-Croupier: dartmouth is trying to use my mirror script [05:46] the one that gets current,checks md5, makes iso, then burns to disk, then installs in pc , and makes a coffee for you while you are waiting? ;) [05:49] sant0 (n=chatzill@187-26-142-112.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:51] well, the script I have doesn't install or makes coffee while you're waiting, but it rsync's to a repository, makes an iso, and an md5sum file for it :) [05:52] hmmm, "less/vim script.sh" and read the comments at the top or in the file? :-) [05:52] and morning :-) [05:54] alisonken1noc: let me explain that for you ;) meant that it does pretty much everything for you and that it is awesome ;) [05:54] The-Croupier: :) [05:54] Camarade_Tux: morning ;) [05:55] well, I've got my script to rsync slackware back to version 8.1 on mirrors.tds.net [05:57] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-vyqgcgfaymgglujz) joined ##slackware. [06:06] you mean since 8.1 [06:06] or are you actually using 8.1 now [06:06] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [06:06] aah.. good ole' 8.1 [06:06] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:06] those where the days :) [06:06] back then i ran a box with a broken GFX card which would overheat and crash the system if i put too much load on it [06:07] me didnt use slackware til 9.0 [06:07] as a result of that i spent about 1 year computing enterily in console mode [06:07] until i could afford a new GFX card :P [06:08] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [06:12] Mick_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:19] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:23] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-99-48-54-29.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[08:48] blkdg: open a shell...mkfs.msdos /dev/(the card) [08:48] i found gparted at slackbuilds, but there's a long list of deps that i'd rather not build. can i can't find an answer at linuxquestions [08:48] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [08:48] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [08:49] blkdg: you can create an sbo queue if there isnt one already and automate the process with sbopkg for example [08:49] sbopkg.org [08:49] sbopkg looks intresting. [08:49] but i dont know about the "rather not build" part [08:50] thanks nyRednek [08:50] sahk0, 'rather not build' wasn't in ref. to the security or the stability of the stuff. it was a comment on time [08:51] as in, i wish there was a gui tool in kde that handled this chore. [08:51] gui tools for package management are pathetic imnsho [08:52] and most stuff besides pkgtools [08:53] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.83.1) joined ##slackware. [08:57] anyone have a suggestion for CD labeling s/w for use with slack/XFCE? I don't have KDE installed. Any opinions? [08:58] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [08:59] ok, i have a 2G sd card in my card reader. dmesg shows is as sdb 2.05G / 1.91G write protect off. but i can't add more than 250M of files to it. cp: cannot create regular file `./100_1884.jpg': No space left on device [08:59] did i need to format the card before i used it? [09:01] SpacePlod, there was a lacie labeling software for linux, they used to sponsor k3b development. not sure if it's still available. non-free though. [09:02] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [09:02] slava_dp: thanks...looking for it now. [09:02] SpacePlod, i suggest you get cd label templates for openoffice.org draw, edit them and print them out. [09:03] that's what i do actually. [09:04] blkdg, mkdosfs -F32 /dev/sdb1 (confirm that it's in fact sdb1) [09:04] ok, i tried it nyRednek mkfs.msdos /dev/sdb and it wanted the -I switch. so i ran it again mkfs.msdos -I /dev/sdb . i got no feed back, but when i look at the sd card with dolphin, the files are still there. [09:05] blkdg, you sure it's /dev/sdb and not /dev/sdb1? [09:05] errrr [09:05] ah. now that is something I had not thought of. [09:05] dmesg sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] 4022272 512-byte hardware sectors: (2.05 GB/1.91 GiB) [09:05] (openoffice labeling) [09:05] blkdg, fdisk -l [09:06] slava_dp, it says sdb in dmesg, right? [09:06] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:06] checking [09:07] /dev/sda looks like my HD [09:07] /dev/sdb 2059 MB, 2059403264 bytes [09:07] that's my sd card [09:08] Disk /dev/sdb: 2059 MB, 2059403264 bytes [09:08] that's the line from fdisk -l [09:08] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:09] weird. [09:10] maybe it is a timing thing, or a refresh thing with Dolphin [09:10] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.87.212.82) joined ##slackware. [09:10] i unmouned and remounted it [09:10] and it looks empty [09:10] i'm going to check to see if i can write to past 250 M [09:11] how do you whois an Ipv6 address? [09:11] whois an ipv6 server [09:11] blkdg, dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/the_card bs=2048 count=1000 [09:11] blkdg, dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/the_card/bigfile bs=2048 count=1000 [09:11] :) [09:13] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@4chan.fm) left irc: "changing servers" [09:13] how will we remeber ipv6 addresses? that's nasty [09:14] dartmouth (n=cpunches@pool-72-65-108-46.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:16] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [09:17] i don't understand you last two commands slava_dp [09:17] the transfer worked [09:17] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: SendQ exceeded [09:18] thanks nyRednek and slava_dp the SD card is loaded [09:18] so it works. then never mind my commands. [09:18] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [09:19] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:19] now i need to test the card in the picture frame, and ONE LESS PRESENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [09:19] thanks guys [09:20] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [09:21] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [09:22] presents are fun [09:28] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.36) left irc: [09:28] alreadygone (i=1000@119.154.29.56) joined ##slackware. [09:28] hi what is the name of the accelerated open source drivers for ATI based graphics cards? [09:28] name of website/project [09:31] jomo (n=mich@p3EE20553.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving." [09:31] nix4me (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [09:31] wtf... Eagle vs mountain goat? who wins? [09:32] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:32] alreadygone (i=1000@119.154.29.56) left irc: "Leaving" [09:32] < kats> A single sperm has 37.5MB of DNA information in it. That means that a normal ejaculation represents a data transfer of 1,587.5TB [09:32] answer: http://bit.ly/l8bH7 [09:33] Nick change: nix4me -> chopp [09:34] tewmten: does that mean i'm carrying around zettabytes of porn? [09:34] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Client Quit [09:34] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [09:38] |dfrank| (n=dfrank@94.19.35.79) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:38] agentc0re, Eagle. [09:39] happy holidays guys ;) seeya when i see ya ;) [09:39] v4nelle (n=van@78-163-94.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:39] cuz it dive bombs [09:39] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [09:39] blkdg: did you watch the vid? [09:40] tracex (n=inetd@arwen.tnstate.edu) joined ##slackware. [09:40] hey all.. [09:40] how to upgrade firefox using firefox-3.5.6.tar.bz2 [09:43] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:43] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:43] tracex: get the source and look at the slackbuild for it. probably just need to modify it so that it uses 3.5.6 instead. [09:44] tracex: why not use the security update from the slackware mirrors for ff 3.5.6? [09:45] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [09:46] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:47] Or that... heh. didn't know FF got an update. :P [09:49] :) [09:49] thanks [09:50] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:51] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.182.162) joined ##slackware. [09:51] hitest: wb. [09:51] ty, agentc0re:) [09:51] Zlizir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:52] googling [09:52] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XafAdkZIYKA ? [09:53] wow [09:54] on that note merry christmas ! [09:54] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:54] lol [10:03] timoteoramos (n=timoteor@187.40.105.150) left irc: "Fui embora" [10:04] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:04] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.83.1) left irc: Connection timed out [10:04] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. 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[10:31] hi,i'd like test myself on slackware... but at the begin i'd like to use a graphical tool fo solve dependencies (i want have each system upgrade, since the first use, and and similar, to them take time to practise with manaul packages managing). does slackware have also a graphic package manager (like debian, apt-get)? what have i care using slakware the firsts times? [10:31] no. [10:32] ptux, don't bother using slackware if you want dep. resolving. it's simply not designed for it, and the hack-ish tools that try to impliment it really don't work well [10:32] v4nelle (n=van@78-163-94.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:33] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:33] the best solution is to use slackpkg (included in slackware) to handle slackware updates (patches, security updates), and the slackbuilds.org repo for everything not included in slackware [10:34] cteg (n=heretic@dyndsl-091-096-104-109.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [10:37] alreadygone (i=1000@119.154.29.56) joined ##slackware. [10:42] alreadygone (i=1000@119.154.29.56) left irc: Client Quit [10:42] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "leaving" [10:43] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-255.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:44] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-244-10.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [10:45] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.87.212.82) joined ##slackware. [10:46] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [10:49] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:49] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-129-177.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [10:52] apn (n=apn@12.34.13.132) left irc: Connection timed out [10:52] ok thrice` , thx for you reply. [10:53] sure, just my opinion of course. usually it's not the software that is the issue, but the repositories to which you point the software. who knows what types of packages you can expect [10:57] apn (n=apn@12.34.13.132) joined ##slackware. [10:58] thrice`, is right. although it isn't just the repositories. Slack packages are just not made to support automated dependency checking. [11:00] eelriver (n=eelriver@c-24-130-112-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:01] j/win 20 [11:01] oops [11:01] marek2 (n=marek@server.roztocze.com.pl) joined ##slackware. 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[11:17] wassup dudes [11:19] guaxinim (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [11:19] I have a question about 'screen' and what I guess is the charset. When I run centerim in xterm it looks fine, but in screen some of the special characters that format the TUI program show up different. [11:20] john_dee (n=id@95-29-147-149.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:20] things like pipes and bars don't show up the same. [11:21] pipes? you mean | ? [11:21] and how different? [11:21] yeah ;) [11:21] and what about characters such as é à ç ? [11:21] they show up as an 'a' with a funny symbol [11:22] Camarade_Tux: exactly [11:22] also, if you can't describe with word, can make apicture ? [11:22] hmm, one sec. [11:24] micsch (n=micsch@76.73.16.26) joined ##slackware. [11:24] hey, can anybody help me to onfigure my rt2500-wlan-card? [11:24] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:24] Camarade_Tux: i'm taking some screenshots i can upload [11:25] i'll post a link [11:28] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [11:32] guaxinim (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: "Bye" [11:32] Camarade_Tux: http://bit.ly/8zM8kV Link to 2 screenshots of the differences [11:32] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:34] hahaha :P [11:34] try running your program as: LANG=en_US your_program [11:34] Avalloc (n=_@port-13663.pppoe.wtnet.de) joined ##slackware. [11:34] Hermann (n=Hermannn@c-fd51e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [11:34] that's not a complete fix but that should do it and I have to go [11:34] Camarade_Tux: thanks [11:35] nope, didn't work [11:35] i'll keep checking though [11:37] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: "leaving" [11:38] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [11:38] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [11:39] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-99-48-54-29.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:40] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-99-39-149-87.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:40] micsch (n=micsch@76.73.16.26) left irc: "CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)" [11:45] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:46] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [11:47] _bruno (n=bruno@201-93-213-231.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:47] kannan (i=kannan@122.165.250.150) joined ##slackware. [11:47] Anyone knows why in Pidgin if you do a Get Info on a buddy that's behind a NAT you get his INTERNAL ip address? even on the internet? [11:48] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [11:48] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [11:48] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Client Quit [11:49] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [11:49] corey1 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:50] j0cker (n=j0cker@blackhole.hitech.com.pl) left irc: Client Quit [11:52] hello, dolphin here is bugged... how can I debug it? [11:55] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [11:56] sant0 (n=chatzill@187-26-142-112.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201220228]" [11:56] sirslacker (n=aligp@p54B14AC0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving." [11:57] hello, slack 12.2 . I want to ensure that packets do not use promiscous mode on 2 NICs on the box, but depending on the IP address, should send packets thru a particular LAN. The use is like : SIP Proxy 1 -> eth0 and SIP Proxy 2 -> eth1. I cannot know how to do it from the 'route' man table [11:58] sirslacker (n=aligp@p54B14AC0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:59] sure you can rtfm [12:00] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-axfnmatbbqxyfozu) left irc: [12:01] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:02] trimmer : thanks. so i take it route can enable me to do this fine? [12:02] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-66-122.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:02] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@a85-139-11-81.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:03] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-66-122.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:03] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn47.78-99-109.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. 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[12:12] trimmer (n=trimmer@63-228-162-86.cdrr.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("Bye."). [12:13] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:15] gtludwig (i=1000@150.162.164.152) left irc: "Leaving" [12:16] anyone know where I can get an ltrace package for slackware? SBo only has something called latrace which appears to be different somehow. [12:17] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.87.212.82) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:19] you have to make your own, SBo doesn't have it [12:19] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:20] btw, it is a bit buggy and the library call feature isn't all that. you sure strace doesn't satisfy your needs? [12:20] can strace show library calls? [12:21] slackguru (n=trimmer@63-228-162-86.cdrr.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:21] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.87.212.82) joined ##slackware. [12:21] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [12:22] Nick change: ga_bash -> free_fox [12:22] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [12:28] icarus_ (n=icarus@d40a4f21.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:28] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [12:28] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Client Quit [12:31] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.83.1) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:33] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.32) left irc: [12:34] dorin_ro (n=dorin@109.96.228.229) left irc: "Leaving" [12:34] corey1 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:39] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [12:39] ffffffff (n=sirius@ns1.htngroup.com) joined ##slackware. [12:39] f [12:40] anyone know of a good distro to practice buffer overflows..? [12:40] slackware 8.0 fails so hard... [12:40] backtrack [12:40] good timing nachox :> [12:40] ffffffff, ?? [12:40] backtrack doesn't Stack Ghost and that? [12:41] ask in the backtrack channel. [12:41] use redhat or fedora [12:41] BP{k}: hahaha [12:41] theyre always vulnerable [12:41] jeev: they get patches too! [12:41] yea i guess so [12:41] :P [12:41] i can convince anything other than freebsd and slackware to give me root [12:41] i just type su - then talk to it verbally and it lets me in [12:42] like your mom [12:42] :o [12:42] pff [12:42] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [12:45] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: "leaving" [12:45] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [12:47] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] wow. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/__nAd50xTIYs/ShxEBieehcI/AAAAAAAAA7A/BQFTT2yn_Gk/s400/white-trash-port-big.jpg [12:49] that's an america you dont see on t.v. [12:50] jeev, your families christmas card, right? turned out nice this year [12:50] apn (n=apn@12.34.13.132) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:51] yea ri ght [12:52] Action: slackguru says smash all T.V.'s [12:53] televisions aren't the problem. tvs are quite useful with adequate content. [12:53] discovery channel! [12:53] Action: slackguru thinks T.V.'s are for mindless morons. [12:53] not if you wach the right chnanle [12:53] watch/ channel [12:54] with our without adequate content [12:54] eh, i think you're the mindless one here ;D [12:54] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-255.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:55] not possible, I haven't pwnd a tv for overten years [12:55] tv is lame [12:55] Hoogin, I'm with you. [12:55] Anything I want to watch is on the internet enyway. [12:56] Yeah, it's not like you miss anything if you don't watch tv [12:57] I know more about current events than someone that watches the news at noon, 6 and eleven... [12:58] chipster_ (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Client Quit [12:58] i dont watch the media on tv [12:58] i watch history and the discovery channel [12:58] and commercials [12:58] and sometimes soft core porn if i cant sleep [12:58] i dont pay attention to commercials [12:59] jeev, moving pictures = media [12:59] wow [12:59] if i could reach you right now i'd slap you [13:00] Action: slackguru slaps jeev with a big trout. [13:00] I can reach you. [13:00] i saw that coming [13:00] He opend himself up.... [13:01] what can I say? Wouldn't youhave? [13:01] Does anyone remember Slackware 1.0? [13:01] lol [13:02] tuxdev (n=tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [13:03] ffffffff, you should check in #remote-exploit for an answer to your question. [13:03] linXea (n=slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:04] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-99-39-149-87.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:05] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:05] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:06] that was SLS [13:06] i started with 3.0 [13:07] i think, maybe 2x [13:07] 1994 [13:07] http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions/slackware/1.1.2/ <-- ORLY? [13:07] with a short interuption with redhat [13:07] oh wait .. misread that :) [13:08] BP{k} yea, that's one of the very earliest when Pat was still in uni [13:08] iinm [13:08] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:08] yeah I started around 3.x .. early 95 [13:08] didnt he start with Manchester's flopp "dist"? [13:08] or sls [13:08] I still have my 1.0 cd I bought from CheapBytes for a dollar. [13:09] neat [13:09] PurpleSmurf: he started as a series of patches to SLS which grew out into slackware [13:09] ok [13:10] linXea (n=slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:10] You'll haveto try a little harder jeev, maybe you can exploit my windows machine? [13:10] need some help? [13:10] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:11] Careful though jeev you might get attacked by a cloud. [13:12] akira42_ (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-222-170.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-222-170.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:14] john_dee (n=id@95-29-147-149.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [13:15] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [13:16] In '95, I think I was running a Pentium 66 MhZ [13:16] Maybe a DX4 100 [13:16] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [13:17] i had a leading edge box. [13:17] sig11's all over the place while compiling gcc [13:17] and no net access; had to figer it out all by my lonesome [13:17] those were good days [13:18] I remember getting that grey screen with the black X for the first time. I think I looked at it for a month. [13:18] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:18] lol [13:18] Had no idea what a window manager was. [13:18] Scuzz_ (n=scuzz@d24-57-84-192.home.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] elliot98 (n=elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:19] i was lucky, my exposure to winders was quite limited; i still had all my dos memes intact. [13:19] linux bash was a cinch for me [13:19] Scuzz_ (n=scuzz@d24-57-84-192.home.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:19] elliot98 (n=elliot@bzq-79-181-115-219.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:20] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [13:20] My best friend got mad at me because I could operate windows without a mouse he thought he would catch up with me in the learning curve if he took my mouse. [13:20] lol [13:20] DOS was the best thing Bill Gates ever stole. [13:21] well; he did properly purchase it. too bad Kildall didnt live long enough to finish anything else. [13:21] ibm amazes me for turning it down [13:21] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Client Quit [13:21] I ran a FIDO mail stop on my BBS and William H. had a mail box with pirated software in it... [13:21] bill was a master social EE [13:21] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [13:21] heh [13:22] my earliest contact with comps was at a shack that had Commodore Pets on display at a small mall. [13:22] Lol [13:22] back when the shack still had that "hacker's" smell in them. [13:22] old fart [13:22] then TRS showed up. and Star Trek [13:23] takes one to recog one [13:23] My mom bought me a trash 80 when I was seven [13:23] kool [13:23] She told me she wouldn't spend another dime on computer stuff until I did my homework with it. [13:23] all that stuff can be emulated on contemporary hw now. [13:23] amazing!!! [13:24] my christmas tree has internets [13:24] I sold my bike and all my toys and bought a printer [13:24] and i think i 've hacked an algo for a universal assembler too. [13:24] heh [13:24] elliot98 (n=elliot@bzq-79-181-115-219.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:24] nixchix0r cards-o-plenty? [13:24] Universal? [13:24] elliot98 (n=elliot@bzq-79-181-115-219.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [13:24] one syntax to potentially any ml [13:25] Fortran, C, all that? [13:25] or perhaps even any to any [13:25] ASM [13:25] nop, real asm->ml [13:25] khaladu_kj (n=kiran@static-mum-59.181.128.74.mtnl.net.in) joined ##slackware. [13:25] ah [13:25] not that universal [13:25] i'm still working it but i got a decent plan [13:25] lol [13:25] it's closer than anything else i've seen [13:26] _bruno_ (n=bruno@201-43-131-250.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:26] I was looking at Intel's compiler the other day. They want 700 greenbacks for it. [13:26] I laughed. [13:26] timoteoramos (n=timoteor@187.40.105.150) left irc: "Fui embora" [13:26] the hardest prob will be reducing the opcode map and its operands manageable; which I have a mental picture of already [13:26] slackguru ew [13:26] sirslacker (n=aligp@p54B14AC0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving." [13:28] anyone manage a lot of websites? [13:28] i barely manage my hone box [13:28] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [13:28] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] PurpleSmurf, do you have to crank your computers with a handle to get the power going? [13:29] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [13:29] the gerbils work well [13:29] lol, time to smoke, brb [13:29] nice.. i find it hard to keep them motivated [13:29] i habe suet in front of them [13:29] hang [13:29] lol [13:33] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:33] sirslacker (n=sirslack@tmo-098-230.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [13:33] Is procrastination a typical trait of a slackware user ? (Wondering whether or not slackware users really *are* slackers) [13:34] i'm a practicing procrastinator but it's not bc of Slack [13:34] it is for me , i dunno about the others [13:34] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:34] has more to do with waiting on God for me :) [13:35] PurpleSmurf: what does that mean ? [13:35] one waits for God to do something. it happens when the time is right. [13:35] elliot98 (n=elliot@bzq-79-181-115-219.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:35] one doesnt force god to hurry up; one waits. [13:36] I wouldn't hold my breath :P [13:36] elliot98 (n=elliot@bzq-79-181-115-219.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [13:36] for me, it begins procrastination when i need to do something but i wait. [13:36] i can breath while waiting [13:36] i don't wait for an imaginary thing [13:37] it's not about you [13:37] it's about love [13:37] What a breath of fresh air PurpleSmurf [13:37] and cats [13:37] slackguru ty [13:37] I wait on God daily [13:37] kool [13:37] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:38] PurpleSmurf & slackguru: are you guys Americans ? Just curious [13:38] i am [13:38] not true [13:38] Born and bred icarus [13:39] Karu (n=alch@78-28-78-107.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [13:39] Amazing how close Imagination and Faith are to one another deco [13:40] elliot98 (n=elliot@bzq-79-181-115-219.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:40] elliot98 (n=elliot@bzq-79-181-115-219.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [13:40] slackguru: yup [13:41] You imagine there is a creator and I believe there is a creator [13:43] Honestly. Imagination and belief is one and the same. In fact, that's what faith/belief is all about. Accepting that one can never get a definitive answer yet choosing to believe one or the other. I guess I'm ok with believers. The ones who are convinced of a god and those who let this conviction be the guiding force in their lives are the ones I fear ;) [13:44] icarus_: ++ [13:44] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:45] icarus, no need to fear me... [13:45] lol [13:46] i'd disagree: God answers questions all the time; the issue is what one does with that info; He knows why we ask and whether we ask in honor or for deceitful use. that is one reason why some people dont get answers. `not enuf faith' (even though the size of a mustard seed) is another problem; the smallest enough amount of faith is all that is needed and some people dont enough have that. [13:46] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:47] _bruno (n=bruno@201-93-213-231.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:47] Nick change: _bruno_ -> _bruno [13:47] as for faith and imagination, they are unrelated; although the former activates the latter. [13:47] PurpleSmurf: i asked god for a new pc why hasn't he given me one ? [13:47] no faith. [13:48] you cant spit in His eye and expect him to do something for you [13:48] where's the honor in that? [13:48] or, s/honor/love? [13:48] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [13:49] PurpleSmurf: lol [13:49] but God is merciful, go shopping to a thrift store. [13:49] khaladu_kj (n=kiran@static-mum-59.181.128.74.mtnl.net.in) left irc: "Leaving" [13:49] PurpleSmurf: the problem with such a postulation is that it's impossible to dispel or prove. They're like the witch convictions of medieval Europe. If you're a witch, you'll burn and die, if you are without sin, a dove will fly toward the sky.. Well.. either way, I'm getting burned ? [13:50] PurpleSmurf: god is a lie [13:50] icarus_ if you dont konw a subject (God's word) then how can one discuss it with Him or anyone else? [13:50] deco no, deco. you learned a lie. unlearn it. [13:50] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.87.212.82) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:50] PurpleSmurf: you're brainwashed [13:50] so are you. [13:51] everyone is. the trick is recognising it and getting out of that box; which is sometimes self-imposed [13:51] ffffffff (n=sirius@ns1.htngroup.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:53] afk [13:53] cteg (n=heretic@dyndsl-091-096-104-109.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: "this is who we are" [13:58] PurpleSmurf: (for when you're back).. I don't think I get it. If I don't know a subject.... etc etc... Are you implying I'm unable to discuss religion because I don't know it or ? [13:58] cteg (n=heretic@dyndsl-091-096-104-109.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [13:59] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl5-183-58.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:00] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [14:01] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl9-78-32.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:03] muczy (n=muczy@unaffiliated/muczy) joined ##slackware. [14:03] hi [14:03] hi [14:03] heya [14:03] Karu (n=alch@78-28-78-107.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [14:04] i've never user slackware but i simply can't imagine how you install software that isn't officially supported [14:04] for example gnucash [14:04] Karu (n=alch@78-28-78-107.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [14:04] TheGroove (i=default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:04] i need it for my work, but http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/business/gnucash/ says i must install about 16 deps [14:04] muczy: you really need gnome then ... [14:04] which aren't officially supported again [14:05] deco: i don't like gnome [14:05] muczy: then choose different distro [14:05] oh ok [14:05] Sounds like a job for dropline. [14:05] Even if you don't use the gnome desktop. [14:05] yep, i read about these gnome projects [14:05] It'll fix all your deps. [14:05] muczy: you compile it. Slackbuilds handle compilation and setup for you. If the author of the build says you have to install 16 other packages to get it working, then so be it. [14:05] muczy: if you dont like installing 16 deps , choose a different distro [14:06] ok [14:06] and if i update to 13.1 or 14.0 i have to compile them again, i suspect [14:06] muczy: not really [14:06] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn47.78-99-109.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:06] muczy: most still work [14:06] really? [14:06] hm [14:06] muczy: yeah really!!!! [14:06] blah [14:06] Action: deco leaves [14:07] bye [14:07] guaxinim (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [14:08] The beauty of Linux is choice. If you want, you're free to choose something like Debian where most everything is compiled and maintained for you. But Slackware does things differently. I guess the primary motivation for doing things the slackware way is control. [14:08] ? [14:09] Nick change: guaxinim -> guax [14:10] icarus_: i've tried several distros and only gentoo would fit for my needs, however i don't like compiling everything [14:10] btw dropline gnome seems like really outdated [14:10] elliot98 (n=elliot@bzq-79-181-115-219.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:10] elliot98 (n=elliot@bzq-79-181-115-219.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [14:11] muczy: Also, the cool thing about compiling the stuff yourself is that you're never forced to live with whatever version the package maintainer's have gotten around to. As a C#/Mono user I can't tell you how many times I've had to use old packages because Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora or whatever didn't have the latest and greatest. Now, well it was quite a bit of work getting Mono/Monodevelop compiled the first time, but next time I can go through it [14:13] if i want the "latest and greatest" version i would use arch linux :) [14:13] however that is not that stable [14:14] muczy: lol, I was just about to recommend Arch as an alternative for you ;) Well, I don't think Slackware means compiling everything [14:14] not everything, however without automatizing and dep resolution [14:14] gentoo is really smart in this term [14:14] omg. [14:14] elliot98 (n=elliot@bzq-79-181-115-219.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:15] nothing prevents you from compiling your own stuff on debian, ubutu, fedora [14:15] elliot98 (n=elliot@bzq-79-181-115-219.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [14:16] muczy: I would rather not comment on Gentoo. But let's just say I *hate* it. Anyway. if you want dependency management etc, (and if you *really* think it's a positive thing) then I'd say Slackware isn't for you [14:16] yep, i'm afraid of living without dep resolution [14:16] i mean [14:16] almost all other distros have this "feature" [14:17] this "feature" might be good or bad, i see [14:17] Anyone else having problems with Freetype on 13 / -current (specifically without anti-aliasing)? It seems to work fine with some fonts (Verdana, Andale) but it messes up hinting on others (specifically Arial) while these are known to have proper hinting information. [14:17] http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/457/snapshot1hp.png [14:17] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.255.65.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:17] muczy: why are you afraid of living without dependency resolution, though ? [14:17] despiron (n=EUNAOSOU@187.64.16.183) joined ##slackware. [14:18] _bruno (n=bruno@201-43-131-250.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:18] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] _bruno (n=bruno@201-43-131-250.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:18] I know I've removed quite a few apps that rely too heavily on Gnome, but I like Slackware too much for that to be a problem. [14:18] icarus_: say, i would like to install gnucash then i have to manually get, compile and install about 16 packages [14:18] Eh removed them from my option list. [14:18] that's just insane [14:18] i mean... [14:18] muczy: use a different distro then [14:19] i haven't tried "the slackware way" yet [14:19] If there are slackbuilds for them, it's not _that_ much work. [14:19] elliot98 (n=elliot@bzq-79-181-115-219.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:19] Have you looked for someone who might provide packages? [14:19] gnucash is a pretty big extreme, as will be any "gnome" app [14:19] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p579B55E7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] muczy: I actually think that isn't strictly necessary. I don't use it, but some other users use a tool that will automatically queue up required builds for a package to build.. Ask around [14:19] elliot98 (n=elliot@bzq-79-181-115-219.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p579B55E7.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:20] Mr. alienBOB has lots of useful packages, so does slacky.eu. [14:20] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p579B55E7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] well a script might do the trick, that's true... [14:20] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p579B55E7.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:20] TheGroove: yes, this is my other problem [14:20] i would use gnucash but i have no money to manage [14:20] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p579B55E7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] there are many-many slackware packages [14:20] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p579B55E7.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:20] but what if they contain some naughty code? [14:20] muczy: And you could just install a random version of gnome such as: http://gnomeslackbuild.org/ .. There you go, all gnome packages in binary form. I'm sure GnuCash should compile easily after that :) [14:21] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p579B55E7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p579B55E7.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:21] muczy: well, both sources I mentioned I know aren't malicious. [14:21] Action: icarus_ leaves as he's about to eat. [14:21] icarus_ weren't you just talking about the beauty of compiling your own stuff? [14:21] thanks icarus_ [14:22] mancha: I do compile my own stuff.. Well, not gnome, because gnome is horrible. But all the other stuff, sure. I do so to keep current. Projects like Mono, MonoDevelop, Scribes and other items of interest :) (gone, really) [14:22] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:23] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/business/gnucash/ [14:23] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p579B55E7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p579B55E7.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:24] BP{k}: thanks, but i've found this earlier [14:24] kannan (n=kann@121.246.242.95) joined ##slackware. [14:24] i browsing this: http://slackware.rol.ru/gsb/gsb/gsb-2.26_slackware-13.0/source/go/gnucash/ now [14:25] Yeah, what can possibly go wrong with downloading from some random Russian site :D [14:25] oh well, thanks for the information! [14:25] bye [14:25] part [14:25] oops [14:26] muczy (n=muczy@unaffiliated/muczy) left ##slackware. [14:26] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p579B55E7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. 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[14:45] REVURB (i=47a1ea89@gateway/web/freenode/x-dmjythvcsjanliyw) joined ##slackware. [14:45] can someone help me out here , im trying to make a ntfs partition writable [14:48] REVURB: what part of google do you not know how to use? [14:48] the input box? the search button? the lucky button? [14:48] lol [14:48] pragma_: he doesn't know about the search button :o [14:48] he just gave up [14:48] deco, damn christmas vacation for letting you out of middle school early [14:48] jeev: dude i'm 21 :P [14:49] IceChant (n=icechant@94.159.202.218) joined ##slackware. [14:49] guen (n=ing@25.33.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [14:49] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-78-253.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [14:49] hi there [14:49] metrofox: no, I don't want any. [14:49] jeev: am i gonna get a gift on christmas ? [14:49] neither do i [14:50] deco, so? i'm sure there are 21 year olds in middle school [14:50] REVURB you need to have your kernel's ntfs support include r/w or else (preferred here) use ntfs-3g to mount [14:50] hey pragma_ ;) [14:51] jeev: hmmm pervs i guess [14:51] REVURB (i=47a1ea89@gateway/web/freenode/x-dmjythvcsjanliyw) left ##slackware. [14:52] elliot_ (n=elliot@bzq-79-181-115-219.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:52] elliot_ (n=elliot@bzq-79-181-115-219.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] that was friendly, not even a thanks [14:53] thanks mancha! [14:53] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:53] jeev: get me a desktop for christmas [14:54] a ten year old one ? [14:54] jeev: yeah np , more likely it's better than what i have [14:54] s/more/most [14:55] dorin (n=dorin@109.96.228.229) joined ##slackware. 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[14:58] make sure your passwords are safe.. not like deco's 'ilikepenis' [14:58] dorin, google fail2ban [14:58] or don't worry and be grateful that sshd is properly preventing non-users with bad passwords fromlogging on [14:59] so,that is not that bad ( maybe i ned some kind of firewall? ) [14:59] this guy is completely ignoring me [14:59] jeev: lol [14:59] jeev: who wouldnt [14:59] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [15:00] no,sorry,but i see a manny answers :P:P [15:00] cough, nobody [15:00] elliot_ (n=elliot@bzq-79-181-115-219.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:00] dorin, i dunno if you read the topic. it says /ignore deco [15:00] ;D [15:00] mancha: how exactly does an invalid user have a bad password? [15:00] corey3 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:00] corey1 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving." [15:00] well, unless you mean 'invalid' in the sense that deco is invalid [15:00] plenty of invalid users around here [15:01] it is tautological, all invalid users have bad passwords [15:01] the thing to worry about is invalid users with good passwords, then you can be rooted like there's no tomorrow, especiallyif you use X [15:03] _bruno_ (n=bruno@201-43-131-250.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [15:03] Hermann (n=Hermannn@c-fd51e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [15:04] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:08] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:08] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:08] good evening... infidels :P [15:08] appzer0: about your PM of yesterday... you did not read the accompanying multilib README obviously [15:09] Hermann (n=Hermannn@c-fd51e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:10] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.83.100) joined ##slackware. [15:10] lowkyalur (n=low@77-20-210-85-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [15:12] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [15:12] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.255.65.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:13] has google changed its font on the search engine? suddenly it looks ugly for me [15:14] mancha: they have done some fancy java script magic to make it more blingbling [15:14] but the font looks the same here [15:15] hrmm, it looks antialiased for me now [15:16] j0z_ (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. 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[15:27] kkrev: with ACPI, afaik, it should be up to the operating system or any program to handle that [15:27] I was running a custom kernel and am now using the stock kernel, but everything else is the same. [15:27] *afaik* [15:27] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [15:28] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:29] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: SendQ exceeded [15:30] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [15:30] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [15:32] ok, false alarm on google. i do have a public service announcement though [15:33] if you are an xfce user and don't want your fonts to look ghetto, don't ever ever run kde's "fonts" [15:35] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03C47.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] weebuttons (n=mupi@41.196.175.95) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:37] screenshot? [15:37] too late, i fixed it already [15:38] kkrev (n=kkrev@adsl-146-6-195.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:44] hihi [15:44] deco get a Betty Boop sound track for power alert [15:45] PurpleSmurf: hmmm my battery is dead :( [15:45] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [15:45] oh well [15:45] PurpleSmurf: broken even [15:46] yo udont break batteries; you break electron-bits. [15:46] moh2a (n=nome@92.49.83.1) joined ##slackware. [15:47] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.83.100) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:47] Nick change: moh2a -> mohaa [15:48] corey2 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:49] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-72-126-110.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:50] devnull42 (n=spenser@cpe-075-178-040-251.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:50] moh2a (n=nome@92.49.83.1) joined ##slackware. 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[16:05] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left irc: "= gone" [16:06] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [16:11] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-160-163-163.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:12] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:21] TheGroove: the same thing i was pondering today [16:21] didnt bother to search for an answer as i got distracted by some thing as i usualy do [16:21] Heh ok [16:22] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:23] ohh remembered, the second thing that came to my little mind was when will we be able to run an OS completley on GPU. Or when will the two, CPU and GPU, technologies merge [16:23] that would rock [16:23] I dunno, it seems to have enough trouble running on both a CPU AND a GPU at the moment. [16:24] well gpu in generasl., with its parallel processing and stuff semms to be more promising :) [16:25] *in general, seems" [16:25] Not sure how that works out for general purpose computing, though. [16:29] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [16:36] murmlos (i=mrmlz@195.66.54.103) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:43] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:43] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [16:44] lowkyalur (n=low@77-20-210-85-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:45] Heya [16:49] corey2 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:51] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] Avalloc (n=_@port-13663.pppoe.wtnet.de) left irc: Client Quit [16:56] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. 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[17:22] append="resume=/dev/sda3" [17:22] next time read manpages [17:24] It's not in the man pages for pm-hibernate [17:24] mine: append = "acpi_enforce_resources=lax usbhid.mousepoll=2" [17:25] mannynix: are you saying you don't need an explicit resume option for hibernation restore to work? [17:26] kkrev: I have no idea about hibernation, mine are for mouse poll and lmsensors [17:26] kkrev, use my append line [17:27] I will try it. I don't know why all the online examples include the 'swap:' parameter if that's what's keeping it from working for me. [17:28] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [17:28] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.55.153) joined ##slackware. [17:30] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.10) left irc: [17:31] kkrev (n=kkrev@adsl-146-6-195.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:32] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [17:33] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. 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[17:58] Urchlay: me can do it too :P [17:59] Have fun with that, kthxbai [17:59] :P [17:59] agentc0re|work: gee, thanks. :P [17:59] it didn't hit us too bad, thankfully. [17:59] agentc0re|work: Well, it will here, 12-18+ inches, strong winds, possibly 12 foot drifts. [18:02] Bleah! [18:03] Where is this, 'bird? [18:03] arghh2d2 (n=arghh2d2@cpe-98-30-113-178.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:03] caoliver: Minnesota [18:04] We've snow in northern Michigan, but not to that extent. [18:04] fire|bird: no fire for you! :P [18:04] I've a party to go to tomorrow, and I hope the weather cooperates as it's more than a bit of driving. [18:05] agentc0re|work: hahaha, nope, looking like all ice. :P [18:05] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] extinguished|bird [18:05] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:05] hrr, driving back, try not to be too drunk [18:05] frozen|bird [18:05] alcohol + icy roads can't be good [18:05] icicle|bird [18:05] The wine will be spread across several mouths. [18:06] Pot roast, two bottles of Gigondas and a bottle of Champagne. [18:06] I suspect the second Gigondas won't get opened. [18:07] I gotta go hang out with my brother tomorrow, he's one of those "if I ever have one drink I'll become a full blown drunk again" kind of people, which is a drag [18:07] niels_horn (n=niels@189.106.166.178) joined ##slackware. [18:07] tuxdev (n=tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: "Leaving" [18:08] I've a friend who's a rehab conselor for the local hospital, and she's AA. It's a drag as I'd like to share, but.... [18:09] nix_chix0r (n=nixchix@97-127-217-97.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:10] eh, I dunno, once someone's been sober for 2 or 3 times as long as they were ever a drunk, it might be time to move on with life, stop obsessing over it... but what do I know, I've only been to rehab twice [18:10] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [18:10] x-ip (n=sakura-s@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: "leaving" [18:10] nixchix0r (n=nixchix@97-127-217-97.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:11] The friend has been one the wagon for I think over twenty years now. She went through a period of multiple addictions back when she was in art school. [18:11] elliot98 (n=elliot@bzq-79-181-115-219.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [18:12] I'm proud of her, but I can't say "hey... there's this neat Italian sparkler you've got to try." [18:12] cteg (n=heretic@dyndsl-091-096-104-109.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: "this is who we are" [18:13] Well... I'm finally about the bite the bullet and TRY to pull everything here over to Slackware64 13.0. [18:13] I'm gritting my teeth as I type that. [18:14] elliot98 (n=elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) left irc: Client Quit [18:19] slack64 is pretty pain-free, if you're used to 32-bit slackware [18:19] about the only annoyance is needing multilib if you want to use wine [18:20] I'm typing on a SlAMD64 machine now. The only 32 bit support I'll need is for firefox 3.5 [18:20] hrrr, why not run a 64-bit firefox? [18:20] I'm thinking I might be able to work around some of that with LD_LIBRARY_PATH. [18:20] ah, if you know slamd64, slack64 is a breeze [18:20] btw slackware-64 can run 32-bit ... [18:21] yep. If you install alienbob's or fred's -compat32 stuff. [18:22] or roll your own, but there's no real advantage in doing that [18:22] Action: powtrix votes for the multilib way [18:22] I actually planned to do that. [18:22] powtrix: I kinda wish multilib was officially supported, installable from the DVD. [18:22] but I've been told repeatedly it won't be, so *shrug* [18:23] ld.so in /lib, and LD_LIBRARY_PATH to get the real libraries. [18:23] ah, so you won't even bother keeping 32-bit shared libs in /usr/lib at all? [18:23] For just one or two programs, I don't see the need. [18:24] multilib suckz [18:24] Just as I have the old libc5 stuff for Wingz stuffed off in its own directory. [18:24] yeh. I have /usr/lib and such, wanted to be able to compile 32-bit stuff (which works, but now that I have it working I hardly ever need it) [18:25] Actually, for BUILDING 32 bit stuff, I set up a VM running 32 bit slackware. [18:25] Go to the horses mouth! [18:25] That wasn't a nice sounding metaphor. :P [18:26] "Willlburr, WTF are you doing?!" [18:26] Heh~! [18:28] Here's a dull question. Do you know anyone who's salvaged bits from an HP, and made another WORKING box with them? [18:28] what kinda HP? [18:28] I've got an old slimline, but I don't like certain aspects of the mobo. I'm thinking of stuffing parts into a shuttle. [18:29] the PC kind, not a PA-RISC pizzabox or server, I guess? [18:29] Yep. [18:30] I don't have nice server grade hardware here; that would cut into my photography and Champagne money. [18:30] dunno, I'd expect HP parts to be in proprietary form factors, not easy to use in a standard case (maybe not even possible), but haven't looked at the innards of one in eons [18:30] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.161.28) left irc: "leaving" [18:31] The plan is to reuse the CPU, DIMMs, CD, and disk. [18:31] all those except maybe the CD should be standard [18:31] I think all else is on board. [18:31] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [18:31] The disk (Seagate) has some HP firmware. [18:32] Entering the discussion without being invited... I haven't done any multilib installation yet, as I try to keep my boxes as "pure" as possible, but there are some things that do not run in 64-bit: [18:32] I worry it expects a magic cookie during boot. [18:32] doubtful [18:32] Like: wine, google-earth & skype [18:32] I hope not. I'd like to get a second for the rebuild and do striped LVM as I usually do. [18:33] IIRC, we used to have a bunch of crappy HP pavilion boxes, and would throw standard drives in there with no problems. Not sure if we ever went the other way around (HP drive in standard box), but I wouldn't expect to have trouble [18:34] It's a seagate 7200.11 drive patched for the sudden-drive-brick problem. [18:34] these were mid-to-late 1990s model HPs though [18:34] vermele (n=vermele@188.25.71.248) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:35] niels_horn: yah. All related to binary-only software (wine is open source, but the stuff it's used to run is generally 32-bit binary only) [18:36] can I compile current kernel-2.6.32.2 with current SlackBuild? I have issues with sata controller.. [18:36] Urchlay: I know... For google-earth I use maps.google.com and I do not like skype, as it uses it's own "secret" protocol, compatible only with itself :) [18:36] One oddity I noticed yesterday looking trhough AlienBob's 32 bit stuff was a new set of zoneinfo files. Why? [18:37] powtrix: No idea. I've been running 2.6.31.6 vanilla here with no difficulty. [18:37] jmicron fails every sec [18:38] Ugh! My P5WDH has a JMicron controller. I try VERY hard to avoid it. [18:38] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:38] It's only on one of the SATA channels though. [18:39] caoliver: hm, no idea. zoneinfo is arch-neutral... [18:39] powtrix: Have you felt out google for bugs and workarounds with your specific controller? [18:40] YES [18:41] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [18:41] SATA controller: JMicron Technology Corp. 20360/20363 Serial ATA Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0]) [18:41] IDE interface: JMicron Technology Corp. 20360/20363 Serial ATA Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 85 [Master SecO PriO]) [18:41] Does 2.6.32.2 have some patches related to this, or are you waving a dead chicken in hopes of something working? [18:42] i want to test it [18:42] a long time i don't comile any kernel heh [18:42] Slack tends to use a vanilla kernel. I can't see much pain in trying. Do you have /proc/config.gz? [18:43] yes [18:44] You might be able to zcat /proc/config.gz >kerneldirhere/.config and make oldconfig [18:44] Have you done a kernel build before? [18:44] yes [18:44] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:45] I won't blather warnings. It's your gun, and they're your feet. [18:47] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:55] powtrix: save your custom kernel with a suffix like "-testing" etc, make a new entry in LILO, so that you can fall back to the standard kernel... Just some obvious advice... :) [18:56] m m m m m :D [18:57] sorry... but I have seen too many cases of "Hey, I compiled my own kernel and now my computer won't boot any more..." ;) [18:57] the way to learn how to fix things is to break them first... [18:58] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-78-253.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [18:58] Also, I think if you give the LOCALVERSION string, it wil append that suffix to the /lib/modules subdir. [18:58] yes. Very good idea, too. [18:58] m m m m I mean about question for the new modules added [N/m/y/?/d] [18:59] powtrix: you could try... "yes n | make oldconfig" [18:59] metriccwrench (n=ii@65.163.214.135) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:59] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:59] If there are a lot of questions, you might not see what you said no to. [18:59] which says no to all the new options (which will fail if there's a new option that requires something other than "n" for no) [19:00] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [19:00] caoliver: you might not care, though [19:00] Low on coffee, need to run to the co-op for beanage. BBL. [19:03] hmm [19:04] Fairs (n=Shuttles@ZH022077.ppp.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [19:10] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [19:10] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:10] Alba[onga (n=alpha@93-41-237-243.ip83.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [19:12] niels_horn (n=niels@189.106.166.178) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:15] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [19:16] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [19:17] You know what would be GREAT [19:17] I'll tell you. [19:17] frosted flakes? [19:18] hashi (i=hashi@creep.bur.st) joined ##slackware. [19:18] Vimperator has this feature where you can take any editable field and open it in $EDITOR, then when you save and quit it replaces that field with the saved file. I want this in every app. [19:18] smica (n=smica@h128-254.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: "Távozom" [19:18] As part of GTK perhaps [19:19] yeah, that'd be nice [19:19] It's amazing [19:19] I use the mozex plugin for firefox to do that, instead of vimperator, and I wish it worked in $random_app too [19:19] Suddenly you can write gmail in vim with block selections and filters. [19:20] Urchlay, mozex... might have to look that up. Although I am enjoying vimperator's interface a lot. [19:21] Action: caoliver mumbles "vim." [19:21] mozex doesn't change firefox's UI other than to add a right-click "mozex" menu option... if you want to try it on recent versions of firefox, you have to extract and edit the XML file a bit (the part that says which versions of firefox are supported doesn't include 3.5.x, but it actually works fine) [19:21] Action: caoliver wipes bletch off his shoes. [19:21] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.71.7) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:22] Hm, GeForce 7900GS 256MB DDR3 or 8600GT 512MB DDR2, what would be the better upgrade, if I only care about some compositing and video, no games or anything? [19:23] either one has more video ram than my first hard drive had in total storage... [19:23] TheGroove: What video do you have now? [19:23] FX5200 :D [19:23] Urchlay: heh! [19:24] My first Linux box has a 420MB drive. I forget whose. [19:24] Urchlay: still, my 8086 machine with black/orange screen responds to input much quicker than this system currently does :D [19:25] Running dos 2.01? [19:25] my first was a 120MB seagate with windows 95 installed, and Slackware installed with umsdos filesystem (so it actually lived in C:\LINUX) [19:25] caoliver: yeah and Windows 1.0 [19:25] Wow that's pushing the limit. [19:25] windows 1.0 was an expensive toy (no apps for it) [19:25] It's amazing just how fast machine are when they don't have so much administrivia to do. [19:26] Yeah, I never really got it, though the paint app was pretty revolutionary. [19:26] Switching konsole tabs takes about a second right now. [19:26] was it revolutionary, or was it just a clone of macpaint? [19:26] (or whatever apple called their paint app) [19:26] But the biggest issue with this card is that it only supports the legacy drivers, I'm guessing I'm missing out on quite a lot of acceleration features. [19:26] Flashbacks of monochrome macpaint. (THe howwah the howwah!) [19:27] I never got to use a monochrome mac, they were way outside my budget [19:27] Hmmm... I've got the NVidia blob on my GT7600 box. [19:27] or was that 7600GT? [19:28] The latter, I assume. [19:28] Urchlay: Mine too. College had a few SEs and a IIci. [19:28] I'm not sure how twice the memory will benefit me, and the DDR3 is technically faster, I have a feeling a composited desktop doesn't use much more than a few dozen MB. [19:28] cteg (n=heretic@dyndsl-091-096-104-109.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [19:29] Though maybe the purevideo enhancements might help in the end. [19:32] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:32] was just playing myth2 souldblighter again...one of the best games ever [19:33] lost my linux version...too bad [19:33] lost? [19:33] yeah [19:33] i had some of the loki games [19:34] can't find them anymore [19:34] Physical media gone? [19:34] Physical media damaged? [19:35] i moved 3 or 4 times since then...i just can't find the boxes [19:35] Ok. [19:36] I still haven't gotten to the coop. BBL. [19:36] they won't probably run anyway...without lots of patching and fighting with ancient loki installers [19:37] heh, install slackware 4.0 in a VM, run it there [19:37] (or redhat 5.2 or whatever those games run on) [19:37] hehe good idea [19:37] around 2000/2001 iirc [19:38] I had Quake 3 for Linux, the one that came in a tin box. No idea where that got to, I've moved many times since then [19:38] mako (n=mako@81.22.21.200) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:38] yeah i had that too [19:38] civ, quake, myth and railroad tycoon [19:38] You might be surprised. I have a 1997 or so spreadsheet running under SlAMD64 12.2. [19:38] caoliver: yeah, and I remember how much fun you had getting it to work :) [19:39] i might run in wine, i'm not sure if i will go multilib just for wine [19:39] s/i/it [19:39] I'm just saying there's a difference between improbable and impossible. [19:40] Urchlay: I actually got to use what I learned about LD_PRELOAD with another program which behaved badly with xcb based xlib. [19:40] handy stuff [19:42] LD_PRELOAD is a weird and wonderful thing. :-D [19:46] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-18-56.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:46] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:47] arghh2d2 (n=arghh2d2@cpe-98-30-113-178.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:47] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-22-228.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:47] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[19:56] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:56] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [19:56] akira42_ (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-222-170.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:57] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [19:59] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:02] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [20:04] ls [20:04] briareus (n=briareus@120.sub-75-211-3.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [20:06] -bash: ls: command not found [20:08] hi all [20:08] I'm trying to get my wacom tablet working in gimp, but I see that I might need to compile it with xinput=yes set (at least I had to do this in systems in the past). But in slackware, how can I check/enable this? [20:09] my wacdump tools show the device is acting correctly, but I can't get it to appear as a device in either gimp or inkscape. [20:09] lol [20:12] hmm, I see I might also have to adapt my xorg.conf, perhaps that's the problem (if slackware has the gimp package set to enable xinput by default) [20:15] ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/source/xap/gimp/gimp.SlackBuild look here briareus [20:16] not sure what that's supposed to show me [20:16] briareus, i couldn't get mine working until i added udev rules [20:17] not sure if that's where you are with this or not... [20:17] hoobop: KERNEL=="event[0-9]*", SYSFS{idVendor}=="056a", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0065", SYMLINK+="input/tablet-bamboo" [20:18] that looks just about right [20:18] yes [20:20] question re: udev rules. I used to be able to: udevcontrol --reload_rules. Now with the newer udev, I think it's slightly diff (udevadm) but I can't ever seem to get it to really reload without reboot. Any ideas? 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[20:22] here's what i have in the way of rules: [20:22] KERNEL=="event*", ATTRS{idVendor}=="056a", NAME="input/%k", SYMLINK+="input/wacom" [20:22] think it does the same [20:23] and no, no idea why wacom setup is so maddening [20:23] you get it going on one box just fine, it thwarts you at ever turn on another [20:24] (i setup on a slack12 laptop, custom kernel, linuxwacom drivers, with np at all) [20:24] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Connection timed out [20:24] I wrote this HOWTO a couple of years ago when I was on smgl and it worked for me on a few systems since then, but I'm just not sure where/how I can edit a makefile in slackware during any slackpkg install [20:24] http://titanomachy.net/titanowiki/Wacom_BAMBOO_in_SourceMage_GNU/Linux_on_Inspiron_1420n [20:25] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:25] Alba[onga (n=alpha@93-41-237-243.ip83.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:25] briareus, that's your page? [20:25] I wrote that yeah [20:26] hello master; i am one of your students [20:26] lol [20:26] lmao [20:26] really/ [20:26] you used that? [20:26] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-56.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:26] i used every website i could find to figure out how to get my bamboo-fun to work [20:26] getting it to work with slackware is trickier than I thought [20:26] hoobop: for that very reason you mention (the trickiness), I've taken to calling mine the 'bamboo-funless' [20:27] ha! [20:27] it works well enough when its up. [20:27] you know, i've had it come and go from time to time [20:27] i'll crank up inkscape or mypaint, and the app won't recognize the device [20:27] i have no idea what that's about [20:28] it happens rarely, but still, when it does, it makes me wonder [20:28] I noticed with mine I have to have it plugged in when I start x [20:28] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-56.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:29] when what i mentioned above happens, restarting x brings it back [20:29] still a pita [20:29] (given the xorg.conf edit this is obvious, but I still forget sometimes, since I boot to a prompt and start x manually) [20:29] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:29] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:29] trance beats that I made on Slackware laptop http://atlantean.zxq.net/ [20:30] http://atlantean.zxq.net/portfolio.html [20:31] hashi: interesting. I have a Q for you: what app do you use? [20:31] linux multi-media studio [20:31] hashi: and perchance, do you know what app I could/should use to make a youtube video set to a music track? (I've never done video editing of any kind in linux) [20:31] mixxx [20:31] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [20:31] ah that i do not know [20:31] sorry [20:32] good question [20:32] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-56.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:33] so, where would I edit a makefile (for a package installed by slackpkg or slackbuild)? [20:33] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [20:34] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-56.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:34] afaik you just ensure that the tmp output directory is correctly specified in the slackbuils [20:34] slackbuild [20:34] and chmod +x [20:34] then run it [20:36] if you actually do intend to modif the makefile for the package [20:36] you would have to unpack it manually and then edit it [20:36] this i don't recomend [20:37] hmm [20:37] ok [20:37] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:38] then pkginstall [20:38] in the tmp directory [20:38] or i forget [20:38] installpkg maybe [20:39] something like that [20:39] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [20:40] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:40] ok, so, stupid question: I'm looking but I can't find makefiles for my installed (like from main slackware install) packages [20:40] yey.. got xenserver 5.5.0 tools to work on slackware \0/. time to go home.. [20:40] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) left irc: "leaving" [20:41] ah [20:41] did you install source for everything? [20:41] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@209.189.246.113) joined ##slackware. [20:41] I got a vim question [20:41] the main install by itself will just install binaries [20:42] how can I move cursor to a specific word in a given line. The line is extremely long. I can search for the word but once I delete the search, the cursor goes back to where it was. [20:42] Kowalczy1 (n=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) joined ##slackware. [20:42] Kowalczyk (n=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:42] honestly I just did the straight install, so I suppose not. I guess this means I'll just install gimp manually from source, since that way I know how to cust-o-mize the makefile [20:42] there is a extra download for the distro source [20:42] cryptic0: in what editor? in nano, it's I think ctrl w [20:43] oh, vim [20:43] sorry I didn't see that line [20:43] vim [20:43] yes [20:43] hmm, too long since I vim [20:43] I should know that. I used to. But I don't now. [20:44] :) [20:44] thats okay. [20:44] anyone else? [20:44] \/needle [20:45] Forget the \ [20:45] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:46] wow xz is pretty awesome [20:46] At least that works in elvis [20:46] it compressed to wine wource to 14mb [20:46] bz2 compresses it to 16mb [20:46] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-56.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:46] thats pretty kwazy [20:46] I gather you've not played with lzma. [20:46] Fairs (n=Shuttles@ZH022077.ppp.dion.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [20:46] no [20:46] And bz2 does it a lot more slowly. [20:46] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:47] cteg (n=heretic@dyndsl-091-096-104-109.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: "this is who we are" [20:47] xz and lzma are basically the same algo. I think the header stuff in the compressed file is in a different format. [20:47] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:47] well its pretty awesome however you look at it imo [20:48] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-56.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:48] cao, you are right [20:48] Agree. Most of my software archive is now in txz format. [20:48] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [20:48] Well not the xz sources. ;-) [20:49] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:49] it is techincally zma2 (not lzma) but you are right that it is essentially the same algo [20:49] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [20:49] lzma was just an earlier implementation. [20:50] briareus: apparently, hit enter to validate the search instead of escape. [20:50] gregsparc_ (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [20:50] oh [20:50] the only gripe i have with xz is their abuse of 9s [20:51] what are they at now xz version 4.9999999999999999999beta9999999-rc9999 ? [20:51] lol [20:53] sirslacker (n=aligp@p579B55E7.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving." [20:53] Sadnem (n=Sadnem@89.141.98.120.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Saliendo" [20:53] ver = 4+ sum_i=1^inf 9/10^i [20:53] that would be 5, i hope its out soon [20:54] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:54] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:54] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [20:54] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-56.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:54] though i run the risk of starting a .9999 repeating doesn't equal 1 debate :P [20:54] corey1 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] Not from me. [20:55] I alreaddy did my math troll. [20:55] i've seen enough of those to be scared though ;) [20:56] Not as bad as the guy who said in the integers 1/3 = 0. [20:56] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-56.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:56] That was on comp.lang.lisp a long time ago IIRC. [20:56] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Connection reset by peer [20:56] he thought "in the integers" means floor() ? [20:57] corey1 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:57] Yep! Rather than knowing that / isn't closed over the ints. [20:57] corey1 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:57] he didn't get the "we've invented Q" memo? [20:57] Evidently not. [20:58] Not the most rational fellow. [20:58] Sorry. Stop throwing tomatoes. [20:59] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:59] straterr1 (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [20:59] there are so man irrational folks it's almost unreal [20:59] Action: mancha joins in the tomato-producing puns [21:02] Stop writeing these imaginary things. You'll give me a complex. [21:02] s/writeing/writing/ [21:02] Did I mention I can't type. [21:03] i remember the guy who dialed a number and got a recording saying the number was imaginary and to rotate his phone 90 degrees [21:03] lol [21:04] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "restarting X" [21:04] icarus_ (n=icarus@d40a4f21.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:04] straterr1 (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:04] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [21:06] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.87.212.82) left irc: "Leaving" [21:08] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] wow; blackbox dumped core [21:09] and x11 died!!! [21:09] heh [21:10] damn no core file and no log file info [21:10] oh well [21:10] sig11 caught [21:11] that's the only msg [21:12] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [21:13] Hmmm... Anything in /var/log/Xorg.log? [21:13] Or some file like that? [21:13] nop [21:13] /var/log/Xorg.0.log [21:13] nop [21:14] Action: caoliver grumbles. [21:14] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:14] that was a spectacular crash too [21:15] And it only took out X? [21:15] never seen anything like it before [21:15] it took out ALL of X11 [21:15] congrats [21:15] back to # [21:15] Hmmm... [21:15] ty tyvm [21:15] don't run as root [21:15] lol [21:15] if this had hapd to winders, the monitor would have exploded [21:16] I was going to say. [21:16] pff root schmoot. no guts, no glory. [21:16] Ouch! [21:16] BOOYAH! [21:16] well, what version of blackbox are you running. (i 've been running Blackbox 0.70.1) and from time to time is segfaults on exit, plus i seen some error messages from bt::cache or whatever [21:16] lol [21:16] 65 [21:16] 2001 heh [21:16] and, your /var/log/Xorg.0.log will have details, you didn't even look [21:16] nop no details [21:16] not a line. [21:17] not a relevant line. [21:17] icarus_ (n=icarus@d40a4f21.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [21:17] I actually have a wrapper around the WM in my xinit, so if it falls over oddly, I have the chance to restart it. [21:17] nods [21:17] fluxbox would asplode from time to time, so that wrapper came in handy. [21:17] if you're start x again since the crash, it'll be /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old or something. also, ~/.xsession-errors [21:18] thrice` i checked all the relevant files; no info|debug provided. [21:18] no xsess* [21:18] In your .xinitrc do you run the WM in the background? [21:19] it's exec'd [21:19] Ah! If it terminates abnormally, the X will quit. [21:19] s/the/then/ [21:19] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:19] ok but the prob started in bowser [21:19] Or blackbox. [21:19] cascade failure [21:20] The browser did something bad, and blackbox didn't like it. [21:20] yep; apparently [21:21] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:21] You might consider having the xinit script run blackbox, and trying to recover if blackbox terminates abnormally. Say pop xmessage, with two buttons, and loop on a yes choice. [21:22] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:22] nah; after pondering what yours does, i'd rather a complete failure so i can immediately hunt for info. [21:22] Small bit of coding, but it should nail the BB flakiness. [21:22] i've never had a prob with bb tho [21:22] this is the first time [21:22] Is BB in C++? [21:22] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:22] i dont recall [21:23] i wanna say i think so but... [21:23] I know that fluxbox is. [21:23] At the moment I'm using PekWM, and it hasn [21:23] i'm sure some syslog or x11 loginfo info got lost tho [21:23] 't crapped out yet. [21:23] kool [21:23] nothing from kernel, varlog, x11, bb said "sig11" only [21:24] i could set the malloc env flags but... [21:24] i'm not that invested. [21:24] I suspect a bug in tis error handling. [21:24] nor curious [21:24] s/tis/its/ [21:24] perhaps [21:24] when i start the bowser, perhaps the prob will show itself again [21:24] That's why I like the wrapper idea. I don't lose all my work if the WM dies. [21:25] the bowser saves itself [21:25] i dont do critical things in x [21:25] Ah. I live most of my computer life in X. [21:26] nods; i'm old oldskool cmdline [21:26] i dont even have emacs installed here [21:26] Well most of my windows are rxvts, so same thing, but more of them. [21:26] nods [21:26] Action: caoliver scowls. [21:27] well; bbiab... [21:27] afk [21:27] thankx for your helps! [21:27] Good luck! [21:32] stories like this are nice http://darkreading.com/blog/archives/2009/12/using_facebook.html [21:36] Why doesn't that surprise me? [21:36] it shouldn't so that's a good sign [21:38] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [21:38] yoyoned (n=todd@99-28-32-154.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:56] just as a matter of good form, is it better to have an inboard SATA drive assigned to "sda" (1,2,3, whatever number of partitions) first, or does it matter (i.e., does it matter if it's sde or sdf or whatever)? [21:57] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: "Leaving" [21:58] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:58] jspider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] How would it matter? [22:00] i don't think it would [22:01] but you never know [22:01] so i thought i'd ask [22:01] The only aspect that matters is that you configure the rest of the system using the correct device name [22:02] good; just didn't want to do something that made plugging in a pendrive a "wtf?" moment [22:02] icarus_ (n=icarus@d40a4f21.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:02] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:03] jspider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:03] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:05] john_dee (n=id@95-29-147-149.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [22:11] If you're using LVM does that sort of thing even matter? Doesn't vgscan find the drives no matter where they are? [22:11] antiwire: lol, that's a great story. Maybe i'll send it out tomorrow underlying that we've used it to choose who will be chosen for a reduction in force force for the coming new year. :P [22:12] gm152 (n=glen@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:12] haha [22:12] coaliver: using LVM and i think you're right [22:12] urthwrm (n=urthwrm@124-170-224-88.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [22:13] it's just the first time i've used a sata in anything other than a USB case connection [22:13] it does not matter because LVM and md's are setup based on meta data on the disks [22:14] Yup. [22:14] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.55.153) left irc: "Leaving" [22:14] so it's an "auto identify" in other words? [22:15] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] Given the size of modern drives, I think I'd lose my mind trying to manage them as partitions. [22:15] In essence., [22:15] in effluence [22:16] in excessive gratitude: thanks for the info [22:17] I need food. BBL [22:21] hcfd (n=fed@host86-131-177-144.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:23] arcfide (n=arcfide@ppp-70-246-149-137.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] Hello, everyone. [22:27] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:27] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: "Leaving" [22:28] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:30] hi [22:31] arghh2d2 (n=arghh2d2@cpe-98-30-113-178.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:33] hcfd (n=fed@host86-131-177-144.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [22:33] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [22:34] so caoliver brings up a good point: is there any reason to say it's better to run a 500GB drive as a single-partition drive or to break it up into 120GB or so partitions? [22:34] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [22:36] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:36] greetings and salutations [22:37] hey andarius [22:37] silas_ (n=silas@189.115.184.20) joined ##slackware. [22:38] silas_ (n=silas@189.115.184.20) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:39] hoobop: easier recovery (in case) and shorter fsck's are first reasons that spring to mind in favor of partitioning [22:39] that's what i thought [22:39] silasgtcs (n=silas@189.115.184.20) joined ##slackware. [22:40] but ext4 fsck's are pretty fast [22:42] john_dee: agreed -- but the chance (outside chance or not) of saving something on a drive if it starts to go down is a big plus [22:42] and having data on separate partitions may just provide that outside chance [22:43] silasgtcs (n=silas@189.115.184.20) left irc: "Leaving" [22:43] so it leaves easier recovery and minimised damage [22:43] it's less stressful if, say, one 100 gigs partition get screwed instead of the whole 1tb drive-partition [22:44] that's what i'm thinking [22:44] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [22:44] and, again, regardless of how fast the filesystem is, search times are reduced [22:44] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:45] it takes less time to search 120GB than it does to search 1T (i think that's true) [22:45] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:47] file search, yes. but if you mean random access or consecutive reads/writes, partitioning doesn't make much difference, i believe [22:48] that's what i'm not sure about; not sure if "reading" is affected by partitions [22:48] but, then again, i'm all for partitioning big drives. no matter what PITA it is to manage them %) [22:48] managing, imo, is a one-time deal in fstab [22:49] if it's a drive you have installed and "up" all the time, write it into fstab; usb is different [22:49] Speaking of partitioning, I would really love to see an auto partitioner a la OpenBSD's latest release. It's so much better than the auto formatters that are in the normal GUI installers. [22:49] IMO, it could be a simple utility that is run before the setup script. [22:50] i haven't seen the bsd autopartitioner [22:50] sounds like it would be nice to have [22:50] in openbsd? wow :p [22:51] john_dee: The OpenBSD installation process got a major overhaul this last release. It's amazing now. I thought the installer was pretty good before, but this time, it's just...yeah. [22:51] arcfide, yes OpenBSD's installer is pretty nice now. [22:51] It beats the pants off of just about any other installer I have seen now for an OS. [22:51] Action: rworkman has been meaning to download the latest OpenBSD to look at that. [22:51] in the most non-cutting-edge os. that's interesting. gotta give it a try. last release i've seen was 4.3 [22:51] arcfide, it's very comprehensive isn't it? :) [22:52] or did i mean bleeding edge. hm [22:52] hcfd: Comprehensive? Well, I don't know what that means. Basically, for me, it asks all the right questions, at the mostly right time now, and the auto formatter actually has some intelligence to it. [22:52] arcfide, what you said! [22:53] Now if only they could get some stinkin' WPA Enterprise support. :-( [22:53] If I had the time I would write it myself. [22:53] sounds like a request for funding [22:53] lol [22:53] arcfide: well, before it was something most peolple couldn't handle at all. even tech-savvy ones, like my friend who deals with m$ software has to stop at that point. lol [22:53] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:53] and i'm willing to contribute [22:53] Having said that, I tinkered with OpenBSD for a day and retreated to the relative safety and comfort of Slack. I may try it out another time but I just can't see the advantage in learning a new system. [22:54] OpenBSD still doesn't have a nice user utility like Wicd yet, though I think their network configuration for normal things is better than Slackware. [22:54] Heck, I just ordered the 4.6 cdroms. I skipped 4.5 for some reason, so I needed to get back in the spirit :) [22:54] rworkman, good man. [22:55] hcfd: Well, I consider myself an OpenBSD man, but I'm running Slackware as the bare metal OS on my machine right now for a reason. [22:55] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-66-217.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] hcfd: I've got all of them (except 4.5) back to 3.7 :) [22:55] Although occassionally I get the itch to run RHEL just because my University gives it to us for Free. [22:55] I do have the latest OpenBSD installed in VMWare though. [22:55] arcfide, I'm sure you'll come to the dark side ;) [22:56] arcfide: there's anti-itch creams available. ;-) [22:56] rworkman, thanks for making me feel like a young man again. haha! [22:56] rworkman: I'm already as loaded up on the creams as I can get without smelling too bad. :-) [22:57] hcfd: are you implying that I'm old?? :) [22:57] Action: arcfide chuckles. [22:57] rworkman, oh wait, that was only 4 years ago. Still, my knees were in better shape then. [22:57] Right. :) I understand though. [22:58] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:58] :) [22:59] I'll say this: if Slackware ever ceases to exist, then I'll be running OpenBSD. [22:59] Amen. [22:59] Though I will say this: I wish Slackware 13 gave you the option at install time for KDE 3.x or KDE 4.x [22:59] I've got my sights set on a SheevaPlug after Christmas, and it's going to get armedslack on it, but... it might get OpenBSD (assuming there's a port for arm) [23:00] if everything ceases to exist but fedora/redhat/ubunti/centos and other trashy distros, i will stop using computers. [23:00] It ^ is going to be my firewall [23:00] jeev: :) [23:00] hcfd, agreed; if they did offer the choice of KDE versions, the upgrade would be a no brainer [23:00] i would give up my testicles before i used any of those distros [23:01] hcfd: I understand that sentiment. Honestly, kde-4.3.x is far superior to 4.2.x -- I can actually use 4.3.x (and I'm an xfce guy) [23:01] hoobop, yeah. I'm halfways split between 12.2 and 13 on my machines depending on whether they run a GUI or not. I'm so lazy. [23:01] i'm still on slackware 11 -- THAT'S lazy [23:02] hoobop: or smart. That's the last release on which you can run a 2.4.x kernel :) [23:02] rworkman, I should give that a chance. KDE 4.2.x made me miss fluxbox.. and I only used that 'cos I had 128MB RAM. heh [23:02] i'm running a custom 2.6 kernel, so that's not an issue [23:03] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:03] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:03] hcfd: xfce is a good compromise between barebones and fullfeatured. [23:03] i just never figured out how to run the nVidia drivers without compiling a kernel first [23:04] rworkman, It is pretty good in ways. It's a tad cartoony, in bone stock configuration at least. [23:04] hoobop, module? [23:04] If you haven't looked in 13.0, the default config has improved. [23:04] hcfd, no -- i mean the drivers from nVidia [23:05] Hm they install fine for me when kernel source is installed (but untouched). [23:05] incognito (n=neo@adsl-154-152-237.cae.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] hi [23:05] i'm new to slackware and i want to start installing packages but i have a few questions [23:06] TheGroove, yeah, but there's always something i need (or think i need) that sort of messes that up [23:07] I think I'm about to make a redundant comment here, but nVidia drivers compile fine for me on 12.2 / 2.6.27.7-smp with PAE enabled. [23:07] Full installs should keep you out of trouble. [23:07] Action: hcfd is probably confusing source code with kernel config [23:08] 1) how do i know what the dependencies of a package are such as wine? Does it automatically come with everything (shared libraries etc) that it needs? [23:08] incognito: basically... you install it, try to run it, and it'll complain about what it's missing :) [23:08] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.75.143) left irc: "Leaving" [23:08] what is that comic someone mentioned where a guy said WHITE WHALE and then killed another character? [23:08] There's no real mechanism. [23:08] 2) where can i find a good selection of packages [23:09] incognito, you can go the manual route and compile from source, run, track down dependencies based on errors/missing dependencies, or try slackbuilds.org before you do anything [23:09] 3) if i see a package that is for i486 or below or higher can i use it on my i686? [23:10] incognito, x86 is x86 [23:10] ok thanks for your response i'll come back if i have anymore questions :) [23:10] Well, not really, but yes, any smaller number will work. [23:10] Just don't try to run i786, it won't work. [23:10] haha [23:10] mk [23:10] LOL [23:11] What about i7? Is that x86 compat?.. making it i7x86 of sorts? [23:11] don't think there is an i786 ;) [23:11] i686 is basicly pentium Pro, which was pentium 2 stuff, it really hasnt changed much since then [23:11] Perhaps that's what you mean by i786 [23:11] 1. you read the documentation 2. between alienBOB, rworkman, and SBo coupled with building your own packages...you have fairly respectable package list. 3. answer is in progress [23:11] and before that it was mostly the same [23:12] Well, it would be Intel's style to dub that i786, heh. [23:12] mxml6563 (n=mxml6563@76.73.134.228) joined ##slackware. [23:12] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:12] I'm still reeling from the whole Pentium naming scheme [23:13] its kind of stupid if you ask me [23:13] Right [23:13] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "Leaving" [23:14] one more thing i keep forgetting the other commands to install packages what are they? I use pkgtool. Are there any others? [23:15] man pkgtool [23:15] Bottom lists all related tools. [23:16] installpkg, removepkg,, [23:16] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@4chan.fm) joined ##slackware. [23:17] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:17] thanks i was trying pkginstall [23:17] maybe i should alias it ;) [23:17] mxml6563 (n=mxml6563@76.73.134.228) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:18] And then you'll goto another machine and bash your head off the desk until you realise what happened to your alias :p [23:19] yes [23:19] that happens [23:20] :D [23:20] Well, you know, I've enjoyed running MaXX desktop recently. [23:20] And as for Nvidia drivers, I have an ATI, and I was really surprised when I installed the ATI Slackware packages and they actually worked. [23:22] mxml6563 (n=mxml6563@76.73.134.228) joined ##slackware. [23:24] are you sure they don't log keypresses and ship your CC number off to Ukrain [23:24] +e [23:24] do most packages come with the dependecies or do they just like to skip them most of the time? [23:26] gm152 (n=glen@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:26] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:26] there is no dependency checking so there can't be skipping. If a prebuilt package had a dependency the system to which the package will be installed must have all of the required, non-optional, run time dependencies installed. [23:27] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [23:28] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [23:28] i'm new to kde too and i just pressed ctrl+T for a new tab but it split the view [23:29] i tried the other split view commands and none worked [23:29] how do i un-split the view [23:29] incognito, that's because KDE is terrible. [23:29] i know [23:29] That's an opinion. [23:29] but didn't see any other choice :( [23:29] TheGroove, i didn't suggest otherwise [23:29] mine too [23:29] you'all postin' in a troll thread. [23:29] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [23:30] antiware say what? [23:30] incognito, you can run xwmconfig to pick a new one [23:30] Ctrl+Shift+S [23:30] anyway how do i unsplit the terminal [23:30] nvm thanks [23:30] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.200.51) joined ##slackware. [23:30] I found xfce to be more intuitive, personally. [23:30] But am currently using openbox and the xfce panel [23:30] TheGroove won't that close the window [23:31] kde is interesting, even if you choose not to run it, it can fuck up your system [23:31] now that's quite impressive [23:31] Yes but it's a copy anyway. [23:31] mancha: say what? [23:31] Using ldd can usually enlighten you as to the required dependencies of a binary. [23:31] ldd won't show runtime needs [23:31] mancha: It always showed me everything that I needed. [23:32] Of course, I usually pay attention to the package dependencies anyways, and most are easy to fulfill. [23:32] It'll show enough in most occasions, but it didn't help me figure out why Okular wouldn't read PDF :) [23:32] thanks TheGroove it worked [23:32] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-80-29.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [23:33] for example the way many apps avoid the whole decss issue is they are set as runtime which are linked, this won't show up in ldd, of course. [23:33] mancha: But will it prevent the application from running? [23:33] s/set as runtime which are linked/set at runtime not as linked/ [23:34] well it would prevent reading encrypted dvds, so it would curtail functioanlity [23:34] If the program will run without decss, then I don't consider that a strict dependy of the package. Maybe an extra optionally supported feature, but I would classify those separately. [23:34] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:34] as to whether it borks or not, that is dependent on how it's coded i suppose. [23:34] would u guys recommend slapt-get? [23:34] Yes, and preferably it will bitch about it at startup. [23:34] incognito: no. [23:34] incognito: I wouldn't, unless you want to use it and it does what you want. It doesn't do what I want, so no. [23:34] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [23:35] mk [23:35] incognito: I use it a lot, I wouldn't recommend it for things like upgrading your entire system, but it's great as a package search tool and sort of "wget for installpkg" app. [23:35] incognito: I use slackpkg to manage my official packages, and then I just have my own directory for storing each slackbuild I use. [23:35] TheGroove: that's why you should have slackpkg installed. ;) [23:36] arcfide, the point is not whether decss is in your opinion a dependency for something or not. the point is what ldd reports is not comprehensive. for the reasons mentioned. [23:36] BP{k}: I've used that but I find it slightly less intuitive than slapt-get. [23:38] Incidentally I've used slapt-get to upgrade my entire system and keep up with current.. as long as you know what you're doing, it's fine, and it has some logic now to install in the right order, which it didn't use to have. [23:38] also while on the subject, ldd is vulnerable to a nicely constructed trojan [23:38] since in essence, ldd (for elfs), executes the binary [23:38] TheGroove: fair enough. :-) [23:39] mancha: yeah, Linux is full of holes. I heard even ./ is vulnerable to trojans. [23:39] ./ ? [23:40] Yeah, if you prepend ./ in front of a file, it will instantly run it! [23:40] Also $PATH is a huge security hole! [23:40] Action: urthwrm smells a troll [23:40] It's basically a shortcut list to viruses. [23:40] well it's not so much a hole as a common lack of understanding of what the ldd wrapper is doing. so if you happen to ldd something as root thinking you're not giving that executable root privs, is a mistake [23:41] please fix my sentence in your heads, i am typing-impaired right now [23:41] Wasn't there talk about an ldd exploit a few months ago? [23:41] http://www.catonmat.net/blog/ldd-arbitrary-code-execution/ [23:42] AusLoki (n=josh@c-69-142-146-176.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] something similar [23:42] Hey, does anyone here use tint2? [23:42] I just installed it, and get an error that it cant open display...which is hard to troubleshoot [23:43] aha, there you go, thats an emple of how you can trojan somethign for ldd. now if you happen to ldd that as root, well you know the drill... [23:43] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:43] nyRednek_ (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:44] AusLoki: are you running it as a different user than the user that's running the X session? [23:44] mancha: I see how that would work, however, I can't imagine a lot of situations where I wasn't already deliberately trying to run an app either before or after doing ldd. [23:45] TheGroove: nope [23:45] It started after I killed xcompmgr [23:45] but now fluxbox is being weird [23:45] TheGroove, maybe, but then you notice that it calls 'hackmelib1337.4.so' so you delete it instead [23:46] free_fox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:46] AusLoki: what does echo $DISPLAY say? [23:47] i'm looking for a new desktop for slackware because kde sucks [23:47] any ideas [23:47] Gnome! [23:47] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: "leaving" [23:47] i've used gnome before but want to try something new [23:47] better than kde though [23:47] Define "better". [23:47] something fast [23:47] easy to work with [23:48] quickly execute and switch windows etc [23:48] try Xfce [23:48] tried it looks like gnome [23:48] fire|bird: you beat me to it. [23:48] mxml6563 (n=mxml6563@76.73.134.228) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:48] agentc0re: \o/ [23:48] tried it with xubuntu when i first started linux [23:48] any others [23:48] LXDE [23:48] TheGroove: :0.0 [23:49] what about flux ? [23:49] lightweight [23:49] what about it? [23:49] incognito: looks are totally different than actual operation.. so define better. [23:49] AusLoki: ok, nothing wrong with that, then. [23:49] Sounds like something else is messed up, then. Can't really think of anything. [23:49] nyRednek_ (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:49] hmm, its ok, I asked on a forum [23:49] brb [23:49] agentc0re, i need something where i can switch the active windows fast and execute programs fast from the menu [23:49] agentc0re: plus, looks can be changed quite a bit with almost anything. [23:49] wow, that sounds like xfce. [23:50] NaCl, made progress with the clean disconnect, i am withdrawing a lotfo the blame from wicd, btw [23:50] fire|bird: very true. [23:50] s/lotfo/lotof/ [23:50] ack [23:50] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:50] mancha: yay [23:50] mancha: if you have wicd problems, go to #wicd, things are a lot less likely to get lost there. [23:51] NaCl, what i am still a bit unhappy with is the persistance of dhcpcd (while the daemon is up) though :) [23:51] Yeah... that's because the coding sucks. [23:51] Well... it doesn't reap children properly. [23:51] How can I enable Flash videos for Konqueror? [23:51] NaCl, I am in the tinkering mode right now, I will head on over there when I have any intelligent contributions [23:51] Will be fixed in 2.0 (I think) [23:51] asarch: install the flash plugin for firefox [23:51] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [23:51] moh2a (n=nome@92.49.82.134) joined ##slackware. [23:51] mancha: Ok. [23:52] asarch: You should just need flash installed, Konqueror looks at mozilla's plugin path. [23:52] I already did using SlackBuilds [23:52] will get fixed in wicd 2.0 you mean? [23:52] mancha: yes [23:53] how can i install xfce and uninstall kde [23:53] also how did they get irc in the terminal [23:53] http://www.xfce.org/images/about/screenshots/4.6-4.png [23:53] Xfce is included in slackware if you did a full install. [23:53] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.83.1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:53] BTW, what is the KDE native IRC client? [23:53] fire|bird, well how do i use that instead [23:53] irc in terminal = irssi, a cli irc client. [23:53] xchat i think [23:53] thanks [23:54] are you in runlevel 4 or 3? [23:54] Ok [23:54] 4 [23:54] Kopete can do IRC, I guess... not sure if there's a real KDE irc client. [23:54] i changed it to 4 [23:54] incognito: log out and choose from there then. [23:54] Oh, Konversation. [23:55] mk [23:55] TheGroove: No, as of KDE4, Kopete no longer has irc capabilities. [23:55] Oh ok [23:56] incognito: http://slackbook.org/html/book.html#X-WINDOW-SYSTEM-XWMCONFIG [23:56] brb [23:57] NaCl, ok, sounds good. also, is there a way to make a connection have a post-connect script? say i want to run a customized firewall for that iface [23:58] yeah. [23:58] should be able to add a script via the scripts button [23:58] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [23:58] is that the script button? it seems to require rewt [23:58] yes. 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