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[00:06] yes [00:06] must of been some crappy bacon, as far as I am concerned everything is better with bacon [00:06] BP{k}: No. :P [00:06] twolf: :) [00:07] yummmmm. crispy, almost blackened bacon.... [00:07] krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:07] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [00:07] antler: it gets stuck in my teeth. :( [00:07] i don't know how people stop at two or three pieces..... [00:07] s/in/in between/ [00:08] antler: no stamina ;) [00:08] bacon, lettuce, and tomato sandwich with mayo has got to be one of god's greatest creations [00:08] godling: that's fine because when you discover a piece lodged between your teeth hours later, it's like finding treasure [00:08] BP{k}: totally [00:08] clearly I cannot win this [00:09] twolf: 'blt' woulda worked ;) [00:09] anyways, they're sending out a replacement. if this one sucks I'm going to be upset. [00:09] I'm hungry! [00:09] antler: aw damn :) [00:09] blt minus the tomato [00:09] Action: BP{k} seriously now ponders if the caf up the road is open. [00:09] 'bt'? nah. [00:10] um [00:10] bl, rather [00:10] option 2: fridge. [00:10] hahaha [00:10] BP{k}: how are you going to eat that? [00:10] o_O [00:10] people who don't like tomatos scare me more than people that don't like bacon [00:10] i had a nasty head injury a few years ago that left my with a diminished sense of smell. eat your damn food and enjoy it! [00:10] twolf: the texture makes me sick [00:10] my/me [00:10] twolf: it's like eating bugs that pop inside of your mouth when you chew them [00:10] explains alot [00:11] Old_Fogie: damn straight [00:11] i had a nasty head injury [00:11] :) [00:11] godling: simple. fry bacon + eggs + homemade bread [00:11] oh god that sounds good [00:11] shut up [00:11] seriously [00:11] I hate you [00:11] :( [00:11] it cracked my skull, blew out an ear drum and ripped part of my olfactory nerves that run to my nose [00:11] eat your damn food [00:11] I have none of those things [00:12] we got pizza [00:12] nullboy: did you lose hearing in one of your ears, then? [00:12] my second dinner tonight, had me some chilli dogs :) [00:12] godling: it's has come here to the point, where we [me and kethry], rarely buy bread from the store. She make it. much better as well :) [00:12] godling: initially i could only hear out of the other ear but now i just have hearing loss in certain ranges for that blown ear [00:12] meat lovers and ice cold pepsi (in a can) .... [00:12] yes, homemade bread is good [00:12] nice [00:12] I can make bread [00:13] also many different types of pies, cookies, and candy [00:13] ...and sewing? what about that? [00:13] lol [00:14] thought I heard the delivery guy [00:15] antler: I grew up in hte backwoods, I can do a lot of stuff. :P [00:15] gm152_ (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:15] godling: hey, i wasn't knocking it. :) just havin' fun [00:15] still having problems with that banjo-with-the-toes thing [00:16] did i hear camel toes? [00:16] lol [00:16] oh nm [00:16] no, you wish you heard camel toes [00:16] hahaha [00:16] squeal like pig! [00:17] superGear (n=supergea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] deliverance yah [00:19] afternoon all [00:20] dk (n=lima@dk.linuxsecured.net) joined ##slackware. [00:20] dk (n=lima@dk.linuxsecured.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:20] dk (n=lima@dk.linuxsecured.net) joined ##slackware. [00:21] nullboy: was that line a quotation from the japanese version of Deliverance? [00:21] how annoying. bought a new lappy the ohter day. can only get x with vesa.... seems there's no support for the intel mobile 4 integrated [00:21] lame [00:22] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:22] should've gotten a dell [00:22] Huh, so we can get X on Android now [00:22] vaio here [00:22] what would people use it for? [00:24] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [00:28] ....and while i'm at it: how fscking annoying that new notebook manufacturers give you recovery tools at your expense, e.g., a 10gb recovery partition [00:28] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:28] if you don't repartition, right antler? [00:29] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [00:30] that's why you blow that stupdi recovery partition away [00:31] OMG WILL YOU SHUTUP EVER mbhayes [00:31] jk :> [00:31] hows it going? [00:31] mbhayes: http://146.139.72.70/view/index.shtml [00:31] hehe [00:31] drinking [00:31] check that shiz out [00:31] _ohm (n=nava@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [00:31] eddief2 (n=eddie@pool-141-157-208-113.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:31] and porting slackbuilds.org to slamd64 build sscripts [00:32] acidchild: wth is that? [00:32] i have no idea. [00:32] acidchild: is that a bong? [00:32] but the IP range is owned by a lab. [00:32] twolf: xD [00:32] redtricycle: yeah, if you happen to del that 10 gig partition, you've lost vista which, for some, isn't all that bad [00:32] twolf: bong + coffee machine :-P [00:32] sweet [00:33] acidchild: whoever runs that camera doesn't own a watch nor a calendar [00:33] pft. bong. smoke that shit like a real man. :P [00:33] Feb 4 1970 09:28 [00:33] lol [00:33] do you think thats deliberate? [00:33] :-P [00:33] heh [00:34] i wonder what it does? it has some pretty heavy sound proofing around the room [00:34] Resolve Host: aem070.amc.anl.gov [00:34] turn up your sound really loud and stare right at the center of your screen for this one: http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/rgb.swf [00:34] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-98.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Wakka Wakka" [00:35] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:35] superGear (n=supergea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:35] let it load, you won't be disappointed [00:37] NO! [00:38] anyone know away of streaming data to /dev/video via v4l [00:38] O_O [00:38] Stream to? [00:38] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:39] i guess so? [00:39] like how a TV card shows up or a webcam... [00:39] but i can say use vlc [00:39] You want to watch or send? [00:39] send [00:40] gdub (n=gdub@66.183.76.186) joined ##slackware. [00:40] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:40] he wants to watch.. he's "like" that [00:41] Nick change: Guest1740878011 -> Gargantua [00:42] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [00:43] superGear (n=supergea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:29] wheeeeeee [01:32] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [01:35] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:37] superGear (n=supergea@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:39] Good night [01:40] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:41] ltr [01:43] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:46] Nick change: ryht -> ryht|AFC [01:49] ugh, I keep getting this aac_fib_send error when I try to boot into my new kernel. I've done some googling, and found some fixes complaining that it broke after some 2.6 kernel. any ideas? [01:49] *all the fixes were for redhat/initrd rebuilds [01:50] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:51] your own kernel? [01:51] i've never seen that error myself [01:51] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-186-2.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:51] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [01:53] duryodhan (n=devdatta@nat/yahoo/x-1f15b1388adceacf) joined ##slackware. [01:54] HexTasy_, wait, redhat? [01:54] aac_srb: aac_fib_send failed with status 8195 [01:54] no no, those the copule fixes I found were for redhat [01:55] so did you try it with an unpatched vanilla kernel? [01:55] HexTasy_, and do you have a raid card? [01:56] and if so, is it made by Adaptec? [01:56] edman007: yeah, it's a poweredge 2650, adaptec raid [01:56] and no I haven't tried the latest kernel, just the one that came on the 12.2 install [01:56] and you tried an unpatched kernel from kernel.org? [01:56] anyone else noticing half the internet seems to be down tonight or is it just me? [01:56] which half? :X [01:56] so you tried the precompiled kernel in slack (hugesmp)? [01:57] HexTasy_: the half i need to access :) [01:57] edman007: yes hugesmp will load it no problem [01:57] hologram, i'm on a shitty network, if half of its down i'm very happy, thats unheard of stability [01:57] edman007: nice to hear [01:58] HexTasy_, so then whats the problem? hugesmp works from what i understand [01:58] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-186-2.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [01:58] hologram, http://internettrafficreport.com/ [01:58] check the stuff near you or where you are looking [01:59] edman007: i would check that .. but it is down for me also [01:59] why would I want to use hugesmp all the time? [01:59] my isp's routing is fubar'd tonight [01:59] HexTasy_, why not? [01:59] hologram, yea, sounds like your ISP lost a router or something [01:59] yep .. admin tripped over a power cord at a peering location or some such [01:59] well for one I don't need half of the things that are built into it, ie: ipv6 [02:01] any Seattle types here? [02:01] HexTasy_, you just told me that the precompiled kernel works, which is vanilla, and you said you did not try anything else from kernel.org, which leads me to believe that you downloaded random patches, stuck them to gather, and are now mad that they don't stick [02:01] i only run stuff from kernel.org, and that usually works [02:01] edman007: i never used any patches, I said I looked into them [02:02] well if the kernel is not from slack, and its not form kernel.org, then where is it from? [02:02] I'm working of a clean install, nothing downloaded, nothing changed, nothing added. the only thing I've done is compiled a kernel that is failing to work from the errors that I'm talking about. [02:03] HexTasy_, did you recompile the source in slack? is that what you mean? [02:03] my next guess was to just get the newest kernel from kernel.org as you said, just hoping someone had a clue as to what i'm talking about [02:03] maybe it has something to do with what you did change [02:03] edman007: yea, the kernel source's that in the install [02:04] all I changed is the kernel config. [02:04] because it does not sound one bit like "nothing changed" [02:04] hologram, what state are you in? [02:04] last I checked google didn't change anything on hard drives across networks. [02:04] edman007: arizona [02:05] i'll just try a new kernel [02:05] *source [02:05] w/e [02:05] nooper (i=nooper@2001:41c8:0:866:21c:c0ff:fe7f:7198) got netsplit. [02:05] jumperboy (n=jorey@gl206.websiteproject.net) got netsplit. [02:05] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) got netsplit. [02:05] The-spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) got netsplit. [02:05] _chess_ (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess/x-7295101) got netsplit. [02:05] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@206.53.49.137) got netsplit. 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[02:17] hologram: i had to literally scream at charter engineers over the phone [02:17] i've been in that position before [02:18] ya i havent actually called yet .. i just figured id sniff things out a bit on my own first and wait it out [02:18] i did packet dumps and everything. eventually they sent out 3 heavy trucks and fixed it [02:18] the issue here seems to be further upstream [02:18] not in my neighborhood [02:20] nullboy, i had the drop line go bad on me...that took charter forever to fix it [02:20] re [02:20] superGear (i=1000@c-71-229-158-111.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:20] nullboy, and you know they filed for bankruptcy too, so they should go soon enough [02:20] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: [02:20] unless they dig themselves out [02:21] i had charter when i was living in their territory [02:21] no complaints really .. though i guess many people do have problems [02:21] nullboy, and when they replaced the line the lazy tard threaded it through the same spot that caused to to rub on a tree and break [02:21] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:21] lol [02:22] i laughed so hard when i heard that paul allen pulled out of charter [02:22] then i knew i was doomed [02:22] :X [02:23] hologram, they are pretty good, they don't mess much with your internet like comcast/cablevision, but charter seems to have horrific support, calling them is one of the worst experiences one can have [02:23] :/ i feel your pain [02:23] seems to be that way with a lot of isp's these days as the outsourcing plague continues to spread [02:23] i have charter too.. i have inet major slowdowns atleast 2x every day [02:23] cox doesnt seem to outsource afaik ... whenever i call its the local support office [02:24] right now though i just want to graduate, get a job, and get fscking internet without restrictions [02:24] but.. they cannot do to much.. they are soooooo much indept.. 20billion in dept vs 1billion in assets [02:24] hologram, charters special trick thing is endless voicemail [02:24] painful [02:24] dollar stock [02:24] hologram, its designed such that most people give up before hitting a person [02:24] edman007: that sounds more like a special PITA to me than a special trick ;) [02:25] yep exactly [02:26] hologram, they force you through their FAQ, then you can get to the prompt which selects the department, then you get forced through the departments robotic fixit guide, and then if the guide deems you worthy you are put on hold for a human [02:26] edman007: sounds like at&t [02:26] and then the human is a dipshit and scripted to make you furious [02:26] its all designed to maximize profit [02:27] they have voice modulators too [02:27] what? [02:27] all all sound the same [02:27] they* [02:27] so they sound like darth vader? [02:27] hologram, well charter has one very advanced voice mail system, they went all out so it does voice recognition [02:27] haha [02:27] nullboy: what do you mean? [02:27] they all have the same exact voice everytime i call [02:27] edman007: yep its called an IVR [02:27] the help people [02:27] i called them out on it once [02:28] really? [02:28] thats bizarre [02:28] like a beast with many heads [02:28] the only time i get a different voice is when they transfer me to customer retention [02:28] hologram, yea, completely automated, they load the tech support scripts into the voicemail, the computer asks the questions and listens tom your responses [02:28] s/tom/to/ [02:29] going network power cycle here to see if i can pull a new gateway with better routing .. if im lucky [02:29] once you tell them you want to cancel...only then do they transfer you to someone who can help you [02:29] brb [02:29] my standard response is "credit me for this whole month or cancel my account" [02:29] they will credit you [02:29] ha, nice [02:30] that's the only thing good i can say about charter..when you finally threaten to cancel they will credit you [02:30] nice [02:31] might not care though now that they are bankrupt [02:31] haha yeah [02:31] suvir (n=suvir@ppp-124-120-241-150.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined ##slackware. [02:31] too many people threatening to cancel or free service [02:32] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [02:32] i've really gotten into it with them though. that time i was in here ranting about it [02:32] lol [02:33] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [02:33] i tcpdumped my line and saw them sending RSTs for my DNS queries because their crappy infrastructure couldn't handle the load generated by their lame ass DNS redirection scheme...i told them that i saw them injecting packets and they called me a hacker and said the call was being forwarded to the corp office. that was when they sent out the heavy trucks to fix all the concentrators and crap [02:34] i think some tech listened to the call recording and started laughing his ass off [02:34] "ok ok we'll check out that area" [02:34] why would they send out trucks because tehy were injecting RST's ? [02:35] they did [02:35] but why .. im not understanding that [02:35] nullboy, hahahahaha [02:35] hologram: i don't understand it either [02:35] :) [02:35] that week they redid a lot of the poles too [02:35] interesting [02:36] yea, i want to move somewhere with my own real Internet that does not suck [02:36] my area is ancient in the whole scheme of things so i think it was a combo of crappy street level + overloaded infrastructure [02:36] houses here are ww2 era houses [02:36] some were built in the 20's [02:36] gotcha [02:37] nullboy, heh, at my house its not really that old with the wiring, just because its so rural that it was one of the later places to get cable and such [02:37] and nothing is overloaded at all over there too :D [02:38] but now i'm at school, and its different :( [02:38] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.1.250.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:38] uber suckey net :( [02:39] i can only guess but i think the DNS RSTs were from charter's DNS redirection mishap. that, combined with the crappy street level situation causing actual disconnects [02:39] i'd see latency above 100ms but i could ping inter IPs just fine [02:40] what made it hard for me to figure out was that the bastards cached google news other common sites [02:46] latency's near 100ms, wow, thats so low.... [02:47] not that i can actually measure stuff....i can't ping [02:47] trend (n=trend@97.81.102.39) left irc: "Leaving" [02:47] lol one of those wonderful ISPs... [02:47] dropping all of ICMP [02:47] yea, called my school :( [02:48] no, its worse than that... [02:48] they thing it's a security enhancement but they end up ruining all of their troubleshooting tools [02:48] nullboy, exactly!!!!!!!! [02:48] but its worse here [02:49] they block everything, you can tell they took the extreme way when available, in the name of security, but there are so many holes its not funny [02:50] any group blocking icmp has serious issues if you ask me [02:50] not only does it break troubleshooting tools but other protocols also rely upon icmp [02:50] they have wifi, with auth on a server that has no hostname/dns bound to it, so the cert can't be valid (and anyways, its signed by some no name company), so they use that for network access.. [02:51] so any dude could just create their own rogue AP [02:51] then force you to use a proxy, but the proxy can't handle half the shit out there, for example it can't do an http stream, slashdots rss, or ftp with auth [02:51] along with a rogue auth server [02:51] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-57-91.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:52] nullboy, oh, worse....i thought about doing that, but its easier to just jump on with a spoofed mac and do a mitm and grab the logins [02:52] lol [02:52] security by obscurity ;) [02:53] and then outbound ports are blocked by default, and then they give you no way to send email except web mail, you can't vpn or ssh out (well i ssh over funny ports) [02:53] so clearly its in the name of security [02:53] the best kind of ssh ;) [02:53] it's just silly to do stuff like that [02:53] but luckily everyone has full shell access to the unfirewalled production webserver [02:54] everyone... [02:54] the server auths against the master ldap server [02:54] and its some old solaris server, not really updated [02:54] it's amazing [02:54] the taste of thick, creamy gorilla sperm. [02:56] and then the network speeds are horiffic, i don't know what they run it through, but it seems like its throttled at the AP or something, because you can't hit more than 5Mbps ever, even between two comps in the same room (so for games you have to run your own AP) [02:56] ...except upload, somehow that goes to 10Mbps, always, even when the download is 128k [02:56] that's the type of stuff that would make me the craziest [02:57] yea...well i was for a while [02:57] then i found ssh -D and tsocks... [02:57] i'll deal with wacky port blocking but random latency makes me furious [02:58] nullboy, oh, it does, when it gets bad i get off the computer and pull up mythtv... [02:58] i would die without mythtv [03:08] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) joined ##slackware. [03:11] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [03:12] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [03:25] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:27] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-338385.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:31] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.75.238) joined ##slackware. [03:32] Buggaboo (n=bug@ipd50a4203.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:33] hey guys [03:34] I'm looking for a command-line tool to put some text before existing files, for instance, I have a file containing "aaa", and I want to put "bbb" before it, which results in "bbb\naaa" [03:34] Or do I have to get creative with sed? [03:34] Buggaboo: perl, sed [03:34] Buggaboo: perl is your friend [03:34] ugh. perl. [03:34] Buggaboo: is there only one line containing aaa [03:35] ? [03:35] s/ugh/yum/ [03:35] nope, a whole gpl notice. [03:35] or you can get creative with grep [03:35] hm? Didn't know grep can replace stuff. [03:36] oh wait, thinking of something else [03:36] you can remove stuff from files with grep [03:36] yes, find, omit etc. [03:37] I don't see how this can be applied to my problem, please elaborate. [03:37] it can't, I told you I was thinking of something else. [03:37] :) [03:37] o. [03:37] use perl [03:37] ... I vowed never to touch perl... [03:37] any scripting language, really [03:37] Megaf (n=WMaker@unaffiliated/megaf) left irc: "Leaving" [03:38] hm. okay, python it is then... [03:38] Buggaboo: never to touch perl? psht :P [03:38] Why would you deliberately handicap yourself? [03:38] anyways [03:39] I like "readable" languages, same reason why I stay away from lispish stuff. [03:39] although I am intrigued by schema... [03:39] Perl is quite readable. [03:39] Alot more so then python imo [03:39] oh and hackish syntax, designed by a commitee. [03:40] I'm not getting drawn into a flame war. :) [03:40] sed '/aaa/i\ bbb' file [03:40] if that suits, pass the -i flag to sed to make it permanent [03:41] slakmagik: /i == insert? [03:41] exactly [03:41] sweet, thanks for the nibbles [03:41] slakmagik++ [03:41] well, the i, not the slash - that's the final delimiter of the address [03:41] :) [03:41] right [03:41] slakmagik, bbb -> GPL notice..., aaa -> lotsa erlang code. [03:42] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [03:42] Buggaboo: did you write this Erlang code? [03:42] yep. [03:42] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:42] so you won't touch Perl because you find it unreadable, yet you write *Erlang*. [03:42] :P [03:42] Nick change: Guest1740878011 -> Gargantua [03:43] I knew this would happen :P [03:43] Yes, I'm guilty! [03:43] But erlang is okay... most of the time. [03:43] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [03:43] Action: Buggaboo hides his authentication code in erlang [03:44] djrr (n=tpircsed@208.118.93.84) joined ##slackware. [03:44] is there something to the convention of appending -ng to the names of programs? [03:44] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:44] If so, what is it? [03:44] hm? For erlang? [03:45] I'm unaware of this convention, it's mostly due to the non-creativity of the naming party in question. [03:46] every night for the past month or so between 0045 and 0100 something military flies over high and fast [03:46] oh, does it mean next generation? [03:46] nullboy, has Obama unleashed the alien-technology warcrafts? [03:47] syslog-ng, util-linux-ng, airmon-ng, lincity-ng [03:47] it might be vandenberg [03:47] none of these applications are related, really [03:47] they are launching a rocket this coming week too [03:47] nullboy: are they aiming it at anyone? [03:48] http://www.vandenberg.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123136360 [03:48] I'm struggling with a 12.2 installation. The install process seems to work ok. But when I reboot, the kernel runs briefly, and then stops. I'm stumped; any ideas? [03:48] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [03:48] djrr: my idea is that you should probably tell us a bit more about what's going on. :) [03:48] djrr: kernel panic? [03:48] djrr: what's the error message? [03:48] djrr: how old is the system? [03:49] nullboy: wow, what a huge white penis [03:49] djrr, check your iso image for damages. md5sum? [03:49] Before the kernel stops, it prints, [03:49] VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. [03:49] Freeing unused kernel memory: 120k freed [03:49] My computer is about four years old. I checked the md5's. [03:50] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.75.238) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:50] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [03:50] i think i might drive up there to watch [03:51] nullboy: it should study the carbon emissions from the rocket :P [03:51] the rocket looks like a giant stuffed animal in that picture [03:52] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [03:52] Slack 12.2 - As root, Editing crontab via `crontab -e`, EDITOR=vi, vi = /usr/bin/vi -> /usr/bin/vim -- New crontab tempfile being written, but not installed... any ideas? [03:53] Yes [03:54] Zordrak: 'set backupcopy=yes' in root's .vimrc, I think [03:54] hrad (n=hrad___@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) joined ##slackware. [03:54] Shuren (n=Devilman@host186-170-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:55] it is already doing backup copies... [03:56] that's not what that setting does... 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[04:00] Ebalayka (n=tony@92.127.20.249) left irc: "#E>6C" [04:00] Zordrak: I always have to rm /usr/share/vim/vimrc to get it to behave the way I want [04:01] i mod it' but wouldnt remove it [04:01] well I didn't delete it, actually I renamed it [04:01] but it's the only way I could ever get it to quit "helpfully" inserting automatic comment lines [04:02] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-186-2.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [04:02] :set paste [04:02] :) [04:02] like I'm editing perl/bash/php script, and I type a line "#this is a comment" [04:02] it wants to always start the next line with another #, which drives me *mad* [04:02] set paste turns off the auto indenting and commenting [04:02] yeah but I *want* autoindenting [04:03] hi, I just installed jdk from slackware package, and it made two identical directories /usr/lib/java/ and /usr/lib/jdk1.6.0_11, and I don't think it's jdk, it seems like jre installation [04:03] ctrl-u makes it go away Urchlay [04:03] godling: yeah, but I have to remember to press that every time. Fail... [04:03] duryodhan (n=devdatta@nat/yahoo/x-1f15b1388adceacf) left irc: "leaving" [04:03] hrad: it's right [04:03] hrad: you're not [04:03] hrad: :) [04:03] Urchlay: well how do you expect vim to know when you want to stop autocommenting? you'd have to let the program know somehow. :P [04:04] also the default vimrc wants to permanently highlight search matches, which I hate... and it wants to remember the cursor position from last time I edited a file, even if it was last year [04:04] Zordrak, could you please be more confusing :) [04:04] godling: yeah. But I'd rather tell it "I want this line to be a comment" by typing a #, than have a separate "stop being commented" command [04:04] like ctrl-u [04:04] no [04:05] Action: godling calls the wahmbulance [04:05] Zordrak, so the libraries are somewhere else [04:05] like, I don't want autocommenting in the first place [04:05] hrad: ls -la /usr/lib | java [04:05] Zordrak, or they can't be in the package [04:05] hrad: ls -la /usr/lib | grep java [04:07] hrad: do you have /usr/lib/jdk1.6.0_11/bin/javac? If so, that's the jdk [04:07] (JRE doesn't have the compiler, see?) [04:08] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-169-137.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [04:10] ok, so the jdk1.6.0_11 is symlink to /usr/lib/java ...the compiler is there...and to what should I point applications ? to the symlink one I guess [04:11] yeah [04:11] using the symlink is like saying "use whichever java version happens to be installed" [04:11] Urchlay: :set formatoptions=coql (default is 'corql' where the 'r' inserts the leading comment character)' [04:11] Urchlay, ok, I was confused cause in previous distros there was a lot more libs in the jdk1.6.0_11/lib directory [04:12] actually, you probably don't want the o either [04:12] fred: yah, but last I checked, if I put that in ~/.vimrc, it gets blown away by the system vimrc (or maybe by the ftplugin stuff) [04:14] add an autocommand for it to be applied on the formats you want [04:14] actually yah, the filetype stuff does overwrite formatoptions. Look in /usr/share/vim/vim$version/ftplugin/c.vim, it does a "setlocal fo-=t fo+=croql". This happens when I load up any *.c file (which happens after my ~/.vimrc has already finished running) [04:16] is OK for my own machines to move the system vimrc out of the way, but annoys the hell out of me on someone else's where I don't have root (or even need/want root) [04:16] Action: fred points out his previous line [04:17] what, autocommands? [04:17] they get executed in certain situations, and after the stuff in the system ones [04:17] so I gotta define an autocommand for every language I ever think I might program in, to selectively turn off the stuff I don't want? [04:18] well, you can glob :) [04:18] you can just make it so it's "whenever I open any file" :p [04:18] see htpt://files.fredemmott.co.uk/vimrc [04:20] *http [04:20] I still think it's wrong for the ftplugin scripts to set formatoptions at all [04:20] my workaround works, yours works and is cleaner, but there shouldn't be a need for a workaround... [04:21] $ wc -l .vimrc [04:21] 581 .vimrc [04:21] I kind of invested a lot of time in getting vim to do just what I want it to... [04:21] hmmm, annoyingly, there doesn't appear to be a way to have it put in the leading "*" in /*\n *\n */ blocks, but not for // [04:22] well, I guess there's always indentexpr :p [04:22] Action: fred -> work [04:22] Action: Urchlay should be working [04:22] btw, I might be the only person on the planet who's running slamd64 12.1 with vim 6.x [04:23] (or not. It's a big planet...) [04:23] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-169-137.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [04:25] Guest1740878011 (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:27] Nick change: Gargantua -> Guest15757 [04:27] Guest15757 (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:28] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. 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[05:46] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host81-153-236-141.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [05:47] Nick change: cipher -> [cipher] [05:47] tntslack (n=will@adsl30-101.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:49] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:55] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-202104.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:56] fred: cause I can't be bothered to figure out how to rewrite all my .vimrc stuff to work properly in vim 7 [05:57] Buggaboo: shift-ZZ maybe? [05:57] or no, you said :w, not :wq [05:58] heh, I go away to play a game, come back, and Urchlay is still whining about vim. ;P [06:00] heret|c (n=heretic@adsl-232-62-87.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: "mmm... chat... woo" [06:00] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@actb66.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:01] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:03] Urchlay, just a casual save, not :wq... [06:07] godling: not whining, just talking [06:07] wtf, you never have an opinion that's different from the majority? [06:07] j0z (n=JESUS@189.30.142.184) joined ##slackware. [06:07] (actually, I went away to play a game too, and was just now answering something from like an hour ago...) [06:13] does anyone else have trouble reading black text on with a white background, aka ebooks on an lcd screen? [06:13] frullet: yeah [06:13] though it's better on an LCD than a CRT [06:13] Urchlay: ive attempted to dim the screen, its just as difficult [06:14] whoever came up with the "let's make stuff on screen look like a printout" didn't take into account the fact that paper doesn't glow [06:15] all the ebooks ive got, im slowely starting to purchase because i cant concentrate reading them on this lcd screen [06:15] eh, convert to plain text, read in a white-on-black xterm running less or whatever [06:16] unless it's something with a lot of diagrams that won't work as just text [06:16] done it, still find it hard for my eyes to concentrate on the text [06:16] ah, so it isn't the color scheme, it's the fact that it's a screen? [06:16] I suffer from that slightly too [06:16] yeh, god its irritating [06:18] and I suppose it wouldn't be much cheaper to print out all the bookwarez than it would be to just buy legit copies... [06:18] exactly, so i just purchase the legit copies [06:19] about the best screen-reading experience I've ever had was on a high-res mono CRT [06:19] foobarz (i=1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: "Leaving" [06:20] like the one from an old HP dumb terminal, or a VT220 if you like green-on-black [06:20] yeh, was using one at my tafe campus, was heaven on the eyes after using this lcd screen [06:21] my problem with downloading books & trying to read them on screen isn't my eyes... it's the fact that I obsessively fix all the OCR errors [06:22] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [06:24] haha, i do it to every now and then, when i can actually stand looking at an ebook [06:25] was considering going back to the old CRT [06:26] Dad` (n=Dad`@ip-109.net-89-3-223.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:27] all my nice old serial terminals are in storage [06:28] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:28] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [06:29] gathering dust ;) [06:32] yeah [06:32] but there's only one of me, what use do I have for 10 or 12 of them? [06:35] 10 or 12? got quite a collection there [06:36] yeah... for a while you could get 'em for damn near free on ebay [06:36] possibly a couple of them will count as antiques in a few years (I have a real DEC VT220) [06:37] Hit up antique's road show in 20 years ;) [06:38] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [06:39] one day I want to open a museum of archaic tech [06:39] like the guy in Cryptonomicon, if you've read that [06:40] nah i havn't yet [06:41] it's worth it, even tho it's like 1200 pages [06:42] is it just a doco on his museum, or a complete refrence of everything in there? [06:42] mtu (n=mbueker@dslb-088-071-018-137.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [06:43] Action: mtu pokes alienBOB for a question about cryptroot upon setup (i understand you wrote the book on that ;)) [06:43] eh, the museum and the guy who runs it, is just a small subplot [06:44] the whole thing's a novel split between world war 2 and the dot-com era... the tech-museum guy is mentioned cause he's got an old reader for WW2-era punchcards [06:45] Urchlay: are you talking about Stephen Fry's "Making History"...? o.O [06:46] Neal Stephenson's "Cryptonomicon" [06:46] sounds like I need to read the other book maybe [06:47] yeah, you might like it :) [06:48] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:48] but the novel i mentioned is an alternate history novel, so be prepared for some time travel. it's not the least bit annoying tho. [06:49] alternate history is OK with me, so is time travel [06:49] though if I read one more "south won the civil war" or "germany won ww2" novel, I might have to give up on the genre for a while... [06:50] well, it's not "germany won ww2" but rather "the us just kept out of ww2" [06:51] decent one is 'man in the high castle' [06:51] 'the man in the high castle' that is [06:51] ananke: that one got lots of awards, but... as I recall, it doesn't really have an ending [06:51] like he just got tired of writing it and stopped [06:52] true [06:52] fAu (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [06:53] neat, i'll have to check out stephen fry's 'making history'. didn't know it existed [06:55] currently reading stephen baxter's "coalescent" [06:55] which isn't exactly alternate history, but huge chunks of it are set during the collapse of the roman empire [06:58] hey, does any one know about how to config vbox so i can use usb devices? [06:58] tntslack: IIRC, you have to use the closed-source edition of virtualbox [06:58] I tried some staffs from google to find out how to make my usb works, and the result is, my usb devices are unavailable. how can i fix it? [06:58] i am on close source [06:59] i can see my usb devices but they are unavailable... [06:59] ah. In that case... I dunno :) [06:59] there should be usbfs, but i don't have it [07:00] it is like udev... [07:00] you don't have usbfs on the host system? [07:00] no [07:00] how should i make that? [07:01] you shouldn't have to, if you're running a recent version of slackware [07:01] 12.2 [07:02] does "mount|usbfs" show any output? [07:02] crap [07:02] i read some staff, there says that usbfs is for old versions... [07:02] mount|grep usbfs [07:02] don't have that command.. [07:02] not the first, I forgot the "grep" [07:02] nothing [07:03] what about "mount -t usbfs usbfs /proc/bus/usb"? [07:03] gotta run that as root BTW [07:04] mounted [07:04] ok, to make that happen every time you boot, you need a line in /etc/fstab for it [07:04] eh, or maybe you don't (I don't have an /etc/fstab line...) [07:05] xmm one second [07:05] i have some staffs for that [07:06] eh, looks like /etc/rc.d/rc.S mounts usbfs on boot [07:06] U-Neeks (n=666@200.140.0.228) left irc: "Leaving" [07:07] should i add this on fstab? none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=1001,devmode=664 0 0 [07:07] it is from ubuntu... [07:08] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.226.120) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:09] I dunno about those options (the devgid/devmode junk) [07:09] try adding this to fstab: usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults 0 0 [07:10] but... even if that works... you might want to try to find out why the heck /etc/rc.d/rc.S is failing to mount the usbfs [07:11] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-338385.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:11] Dadsy (n=Dad`@ip-109.net-89-3-223.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:13] rc.S mounts the usbfs in my VirtualBox, but devices get listed, just not accessable. [07:13] for me are not unavailable... [07:13] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "leaving" [07:13] are* [07:14] nothing listed in Devices? [07:14] not that it seems to matter. [07:15] i can see what i connect on, but are unavailable... [07:15] Man-erg (n=meck@85-18-136-67.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [07:16] if i plug in a camera, on devices USB Devices it is showing me all usb devices, only that are unavailable [07:16] tntslack, considering that Slackware doesn't (a) have a gid=1001 (b) changing the others of the perms on it to read only and not xr as per stock issue would leave you with a can of fail. that would be the wrong thing to do. [07:16] I played with this awhile back, and gave up. [07:16] What is the problem you're having in lieu of changing things that one shouldn't be :) [07:16] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-8-224.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-37.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:21] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.226.120) joined ##slackware. [07:22] I myself use virtualbox to have an 12.2 system for building slackbuilds, as my main box is usually current. Usb devices are not accessable in the virtual install. This is the same problem he is having. [07:22] Technician "Is the computer plugged into the wall" , Caller "Why no, it didn't come with a wall". [07:22] wtf haha [07:23] why the wall is on fire [07:23] hee hee [07:24] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) joined ##slackware. [07:24] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.31) joined ##slackware. [07:25] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:26] virtual box ose doesn't support usb [07:26] tntslack, is that what you're using? [07:26] Old_Fogie i am using close source [07:27] dmnt have to go now, will come back at night... [07:27] tntslack, I dont use the binary/non-floss one [07:28] but assuming it works, be sure the user is in plugdev group [07:28] and that rc.messagebus and rc.hald are running [07:28] Old_Fogie will check that, thanks btw guys [07:28] have the user log in / out for changes to take effect. that's *all* that's needed to a slackware box for it to "just work" [07:28] Dad` (n=Dad`@ip-109.net-89-3-223.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Connection timed out [07:28] no perms changes [07:28] i made groups for vboxusers and usbfs [07:28] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [07:29] and added my self [07:29] slack guest? or slack host? [07:29] host [07:29] slackware host doesnt need usbfs [07:29] added, it's already there on 12.2 [07:29] it's fine as is [07:30] but i can't understand, i can see my devices, but are unavailable... [07:30] why that? [07:30] /etc/fstab comes with a usbfs entry already that allows proper setup [07:30] no there is no usbfs there [07:30] tntslack, becuase the client in the vm isnt setup right [07:31] tntslack, then you didnt install the slackware itself right, somethings wrong if there is no usbfs mounted on the host [07:31] i fount usbfs on /etc/rc.d/rc.S [07:32] let's put it this way, if you can't even get a usb device working on the guest, "out of the box" dont even try vbox. cuz somethings wrong. [07:32] err...on the host out of box [07:32] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:32] dude have to go now... sorry, have exams now... :( [07:32] k [07:32] gl [07:32] will come at night [07:32] thanks :) [07:32] compl3x (n=comple3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [07:34] hey [07:36] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [07:44] Dadsy` (n=Dad`@ip-109.net-89-3-223.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:45] Dadsy` (n=Dad`@ip-109.net-89-3-223.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: SendQ exceeded [07:52] Dadsy (n=Dad`@ip-109.net-89-3-223.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:52] compl3x (n=comple3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Leaving" [07:54] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [07:55] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [07:55] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:57] Old_Fogie: actually my slackware 12.2 box lacks an /etc/fstab entry for usbfs, and I sure didn't remove it... [07:57] (heh, that conversation was over half an hour ago, wasn't it? sorry...) [07:57] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:58] gnubien (n=e@221.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:58] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [07:58] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [08:01] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:02] Urchlay, ah right you are, but all things being equal, since /etc/rc.d/rc.S brings up the dev's as 0644 (so long as there's no fstab entry for usbfs) they're all read access to them, which is all that's needed. [08:03] the fact that his host didnt allow him on the host to use usb devices in and of itself tells me something wrong on his host [08:03] yeah... I dunno what his trouble was. For all I know he's on slackware 9, or something "slack-like" [08:03] raela|alt (n=raela@205.133.81.141) joined ##slackware. [08:04] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:06] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:06] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [08:07] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:07] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@206.53.49.137) left irc: "changing servers" [08:08] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) joined ##slackware. [08:08] Urchlay: Slackware 12.2 does not have a line for usbfs in /etc/fstab. so you are OK [08:09] alienBOB: oh I know I'm OK, I was trying to figure out tntslack's situation [08:09] Hm I just arrived, saw your remark on-screen... [08:09] ... but did not scroll up [08:09] kama (n=kama@host137-113-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:09] fair enough [08:09] fail [08:09] Action: Old_Fogie hides :) [08:09] kama (n=kama@host137-113-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:10] Action: alienBOB going to collect his eeepc 909ha now [08:10] shiny [08:10] alienBOB, oh! you bought one! good for you. [08:10] Yes I'll tell you all about it later ;-) [08:10] alienBOB, I remember you telling me you were hoping to get a new toy, nice. k cya soon. [08:10] alienBOB: nice! [08:10] hm.. How would I enable suspend & hibernate in slackware's kde menus? (also, any ideas why arts didn't work when I ran kdm and logged in through that?) [08:11] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [08:11] morning all [08:13] Aldaron, verify your sound with http://slackwiki.org/ALSA [08:13] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-326388.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:14] Old_Fogie: it always works great if I login on console, and "startx"! [08:15] Aldaron, mv/backup you're existing home, create a new home folder and login to that. I bet you got some little "." file hanging you up. or login as some form of test user...either way..new home. [08:16] Old_Fogie: thx, will try that [08:16] I can't seem to find rworkman's sleep scripts for you tho at his site so hunt thru here for sleep stuff Aldaron : http://rlworkman.net/ [08:17] Old_Fogie: I'm suspending fine with pm-suspend that came with slack, but I'm thinkin there must be an UI way :) (I'm thinking of installing slackware on my eeepc, so running it through console isn't gonna work) [08:18] hm? no console on eeepc? [08:19] Urchlay: no, I mean opening a console, su - to root, entering the password, saying dhcpcd -k; sleep 2; pm-hibernate -- isn't gonna be what I want to be doing at the end of each lecture [08:19] Aldaron, just find some desktop file in /usr/share/applnk/.... directory that has a category/location you like. then just create a desktop file that executes the commands in that desktop file that you use as a template. [08:20] Aldaron, read the sudoers man page for that. [08:20] other distros can do it with a button or two. Too bad other distros also suck (eeebuntu, at least :) [08:20] I press the power on my acer stock issue, it 'halts' no prompts. that can be changed to call sleep or hibernat. [08:21] Old_Fogie: will try :). Is there no other way than sudo? Not even chmod +s? [08:21] if it's a shell script, chmod u+s has no effect [08:21] Yea. I'll have to check if kde / slackware can set the power button to sleep [08:22] ideally, whatever long annoying command line you need, you stick in a script or shell alias, so you don't gotta remember it [08:22] *cough* my gnome does on slack :) *cough* [08:22] ...if I ever install gnome on slackware, the hostname will have to be "underpants" [08:22] Old_Fogie: my gnome on eeebuntu sucks on too many other levels ;). Maybe it's only because I'm too used to kde, but if it is, then so be it :) [08:22] but it's a UI for humans :) [08:23] 1. Create GUI shell for Linux [08:23] you will probably need to add yourself to the power group [08:23] 2. ??? [08:23] 3. Profit! [08:23] ..konsole is just so much nicer and more configurable, for example :) [08:23] thrice`: ahh, thank you, I think that might very well do it :) [08:23] me too. [08:24] gpasswd -a $user power [08:24] Beed (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [08:24] and then log completely out / in [08:26] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@206.53.49.137) joined ##slackware. [08:26] hi, small question: for me, alt + in term mostly produces exotic characters. e.g., Alt + a produces ô, but following the slackbasics.org manual, in term it should "swap (transpose) the current word with the previous word" [08:26] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:26] Urchlay: remind me where that's from.. Dilbert? [08:27] so my small request: if Alt + t produces the latter effect (i.e., it transposes words, instead of producing ô), can you please tell me the keycode that's returned for Alt by the xev utility? [08:27] s/Alt + a/Alt + t/ [08:29] Zordrak: South Park [08:29] oyah [08:29] the gnome dudes [08:29] what I describe is true for me for both Alt_L and Alt_R, I reckon I'll let Alt_R remain the same, and change Alt_L so it can help me in browing around in emacs mode on command line [08:31] so to reiterate my request: I'd just love it if someone could tell me what keycode xev returns for Alt [08:31] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "brb" [08:32] duryodhan (n=devdatta@nat/yahoo/x-98f51fc3ea4ad9eb) left ##slackware. [08:32] Beed: keycode 64 for me (this is on slackware 12.0) [08:33] Aldaron, thanks -- and in term, Alt + t, for example, transposes words, correct? [08:33] for you, with the 64 keycode, that is [08:33] Beed: um, seems to work for me :). I never used that before [08:33] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:33] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:34] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@206.53.49.137) left irc: Connection reset by peer [08:34] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:34] Aldaron, so, 64 keycode for Alt_L, that is? [08:35] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:35] Beed: state 0x0, keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe9, Alt_L), same_screen YES [08:36] ah, same here... so it's not xmodmap that's at play that's causing different behavior at term for me [08:36] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:36] Beed: maybe not. What does it do for you? Which console app you're using? [08:37] Aldaron, in xterm/urxvt, Alt + t produces ô [08:37] and for 0-9: °±²³´µ¶·¸¹ [08:37] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@206.53.49.137) joined ##slackware. [08:38] Beed: can confirm. xterm produces ô here too :). [08:38] Mostly I like to use konsole [08:38] and here's me going beserk at the keyboard: áóëêì»ñë÷êåðïñ÷ùåçâöíúâãíöãîâöúø®íöîâ»áëìóê§ëéïÛðïõ÷ñå [08:38] Aldaron, thanks -- and in term, Alt + t, for example, transposes words, correct? Beed: um, seems to work for me :). I never used that before [08:38] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [08:38] you're contradicting yourself there, buddy :) [08:39] ;) [08:39] so what is it? does it transpose words for you, or does it produce a ô? [08:39] "never before" was referring to a time before you told me about the transpose functionality ;) [08:39] On konsole, alt-t transposes words for me [08:39] oh, hmm [08:40] konsole is xterm, isn't it? [08:40] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [08:40] user@machine:~$ echo $TERM [08:40] xterm, yep [08:40] um, well, very different executables they are ;) [08:41] but yes, same situation here, apparently, Alt does indeed transpose words in konsole [08:41] but maybe speak the same "xterm protocol" or whatever [08:41] I'll snoop around in ~/.Xdefaults [08:42] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) joined ##slackware. [08:42] caixabox_ (n=elcio@caixabox.broker.freenet6.net) joined ##slackware. [08:44] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) left ##slackware ("Quitte"). [08:46] I was thinking xterm*utf8: 0 would do it, but apparently not ;\ no clue really. hm [08:46] MegafEee (n=WMaker@unaffiliated/megaf) joined ##slackware. [08:48] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [08:49] jonathanr (n=jonathan@87-194-164-154.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:50] oh, it's the xterm*eightBitinput that's at play [08:52] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@206.53.49.137) left irc: "changing servers" [08:53] spiral_architect (n=spiral_a@24.225.23.245) joined ##slackware. [08:53] dôn't press alt-t? [08:53] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@206.53.49.137) joined ##slackware. [08:54] a møøse bit my sister once [08:55] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:55] Urchlay, no, I DO want that functionality [08:55] Action: The-Croupier waves at #slackware [08:55] (word swapping, that is) [08:56] nobody waves back at The-Croupier because it's ##slackware [08:57] Action: The-Croupier waves at all the slackware users ;) or otherwise [08:57] Anybody know of a way to have a button pressed on keyboard and it call script-foo-01.sh, and if you pressed it again, it call script-foo-02.sh. My acer's have that switch that operates the wifi on/off. So I want to slide that switch ( I know the button codes already) and it activate a connect script, and then later hit the switch and it activate the disconnect script. [08:58] hows it going in the slackworld these days .... havent been for nearly a week [08:58] "nearly a week" ...yes and we've all been emotionally disturbed since :) [08:58] Old_Fogie, damn, i want do that mistake again old and wise one ;) [08:59] hahaha, how are you The-Croupier [08:59] Old_Fogie: how about it calling the same script each time, but the script doing different things depending on how many times you ran it before? [08:59] Action: chopp calls off the missing persons report on The-Croupier [08:59] Aldaron, oh kind of like a grep maybe on the wifi testing for wlan0 maybe? [08:59] not bad bro, been applying what you said by the book....but been in a little trouble... [09:00] havent worked on my slackware at all...and i have so much that i like to do .... [09:00] The-Croupier, well women and trouble are hand in hand :) [09:00] like .. "if [ -e /tmp/.wifion ]; then rm /tmp/.wifion; disconnect; foo; else touch /tmp/.wifion; connect; fi [09:00] Aldaron, ahaa! yea good "eye-dear" my friend thanks [09:01] Old_Fogie: A grep might be even better, of course :) [09:01] And, no problem :) [09:02] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl257-87.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:04] Old_Fogie, and you know what..that philosophy " break a bigger problem to little small ones" that you learn in computing..well..if you think you break something in smaller??? she gets it as you invented more bigger problems ;) its just amazing,also...the lets hack one problem at a time?! well,that is "what do you want to ignore the rest?" [09:04] Old_Fogie, old and wise one, its fantastic [09:05] I found a way to *fix* the internet, get us away from DNS, have security, and the best thing, remove the chances of "packet loss". From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewey_Decimal_Classification ; if we port the Dewey System all packets can't get lost, they *must* be "repeatable order that makes it easy to find any book and return to its proper place" See I fixed it Maw! [09:05] Good bye DNS, hello DDC! [09:05] C'mon who's with me on this :) [09:06] DDC ftw...oh wait, better read first. [09:07] "DDC's advantage in using decimals for its categories allows it to be both purely numerical and infinitely hierarchical" <--beats ip6 :) [09:08] _Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@206.53.49.137) joined ##slackware. [09:08] problem is, I have no idea how to implement this, and just like fire, light, and the tire someone's gonna come along and take my idea and make millions $ [09:10] heh. Floating point roundoff might lead to annoyances in that system... [09:11] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [09:11] bah! details, details Urchlay! I'm a bells and whistles guy ya know :) I'll leave the details to the techies to resolve :) [09:12] why on earth must the slackware tshirt cost so much? :( [09:12] _Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@206.53.49.137) left irc: Connection reset by peer [09:12] so Pat can buy food? [09:12] me thinks we had better keep Dewey in the library. ;) [09:12] godling, to make sure he can poot food on the table [09:12] oh he got it already [09:12] he can't exist on good vibes like the rest of us? :P [09:13] anyway it's open source, you could make your own slackware t-shirt... [09:13] mmm, nope it's a trademark violation [09:13] hm, really? [09:13] pffffft [09:13] yup [09:13] trademark schmademark [09:13] like if I make my own shirt, and don't sell it, just wear it myself, that makes me a criminal? [09:13] read bottom of homepage at slackware.com [09:14] http://slackware.com/trademark/trademark.php [09:14] hm? the bells & whistles man is telling me to read the fine print? [09:14] bells & whistles guy knows not to get himself into a pickle (been there done that :( [09:14] the bold print giveth, and the fine print taketh away [09:14] I think it would really only be an issue if you tried to make money from it [09:14] godling, very true [09:14] yeah, I really wouldn't try to make money [09:15] anyway it'd likely cost me more to have a t-shirt made than to just buy one [09:15] Plus I'd probably do it anyways and face legal repercussions. [09:15] Well be sure not to man whore and wear your homemade shirt n you'll prolly be okay then :) [09:15] Not because I dislike Pat, but because I think copyright is dumb. [09:15] copyright != trademark [09:15] I actually like Pat. [09:15] Urchlay: same idea, really [09:15] (now, you might also say trademarks are dumb, I won't argue) [09:15] godling, don't be so damn cheap and order the shirt. I have a couple myself. :) [09:16] chopp: dude, it's 18 bucks [09:16] but truth be known, if I saw you in a white t-shirt with magic marker home made slackball on it, I'd have to make fun of you and also let the sissy dog my wife just got pee on your shoes [09:16] plus shipping, that's over 20 bucks for a shirt [09:16] naw, if I made one, it'd look good [09:16] I'm not a dot-com millionaire yet [09:16] well, or else I wouldn't ever wear it [09:16] giving him big bowl of water now [09:16] It's a good quality t-shirt, if thats any conselation. [09:17] Old_Fogie: I left that eeepc at the shop and canceled the order... they put a 5600 mAh battery inside, instead of the advertized 6600 mAh. And they did not reduce the price. [09:17] Old_Fogie: If I did something, it'd probably be a printable iron-on transfer [09:17] hrad (n=hrad___@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) joined ##slackware. [09:17] bait and switch? I hate those bastards. [09:17] alienBOB, yeah like godling says, that's B$ [09:18] chopp: at least it's not the cheap cafepress shirts, you're right. [09:18] alienBOB: did they actually tell you that, or did you notice because you were paying attention? [09:18] these netbooks need the battery life. 2 hours is good to chill on the couch one night, but if you forget to plug it in, well then tomorrow night is a pita [09:19] if they silently changed the specs and didn't change the price or at least tell you, eh, I dunno what you can do to 'em, but theoretically they could be in legal trouble? [09:19] Urchlay, sounds like alienBOB was "bit in the ass once, and knows that he doesnt need to get bit again to know it hurts" if you get my drift. [09:19] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.226.120) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:19] alienBOB, good job checking it out prior to taking ownership of it. [09:20] I should be sleeping. I've got class at 4 PM. :P [09:20] walley (n=chatzill@mail.hzsol.cz) joined ##slackware. [09:20] godling: I like buying Pat's stuff. My Slackware baseball cap looks rather good on me, I must say:) [09:20] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@206.53.49.137) left irc: Connection timed out [09:21] hitest: I was thinking of getting the penguin. [09:21] :) [09:21] hm. Wonder if I can buy toilet paper with the red hat logo on it [09:21] Urchlay, not for anything but alienBOB is a big guy, that vendor must have balls the size of watermelons to bait / switch em' like that. [09:21] LOL [09:21] deadrat [09:21] Urchlay: http://www.printedtp.com/ [09:21] Action: Old_Fogie wonders if alienBOB is behind bars from ringing the guys neck [09:22] Old_Fogie: yeah.. he's IRC'ing in between gang rapes? [09:22] haha [09:22] mbhayes, he's like 8' tall you seen his pic right? [09:22] he's taking a breather -- they went to go get the syrup [09:22] I doubt he's the wide receiver on the footballl team ya digg [09:23] i'd be pissed if someone tried to do it to me, for sure [09:23] and would definitely walk away as well [09:23] heh [09:23] thrice`, the gang rape or the bait n switch (hahaha you walked in2 that one) :) [09:23] thrice`: gang rape or bait and switch? [09:23] pfft [09:23] rofl! [09:23] hahahahah [09:23] too slow [09:23] :> [09:23] lol [09:23] noobfarm that one! [09:24] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:24] hahahah, thrice` hahaha [09:24] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [09:24] nearly got coffee coming out my nose now on that one. [09:24] raelakoira (n=raela@206.21.75.125) joined ##slackware. [09:24] MegafEee (n=WMaker@unaffiliated/megaf) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:26] guys what do you usually do to check dependencies during installations and compilations. In addition to checking errors which make produces [09:26] evo- (n=evo@p4FD4CC03.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:26] ugh, it's dawn. does that mean I need to go to sleep? [09:26] godling, if your a vampire the, your late :) [09:26] hrad: if something doesn't work, I check to see why it's not working. :) [09:27] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.167) joined ##slackware. [09:27] hrad, I use ldd on the binaries, put them in text file for easy import into a database that I query later on my own. but I used some scripts and grep for a while. [09:27] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.195) joined ##slackware. [09:27] hrad, but 'required builder' is nice too [09:27] I use that as well [09:27] hrad: typically, most of the apps I want / use or on slackbuilds.org, so I just install what they recommend :) [09:28] agreed [09:28] it's not perfect, but are nice tools to have. [09:28] evo- (n=evo@p4FD4CC03.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("parted..."). [09:28] evo- (n=evo@p4FD4CC03.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:28] Urchlay: I wonder if you'd get nailed for trademark infringement if you threw the red hat logo on a few rolls of toilet paper. [09:28] godling, so investigation after installation ? [09:29] hrad: that's probably not the best way to go about it, but I'm lazy. :) [09:30] Old_Fogie: I actually noticed that the package said 5600mAh instead of what I expected, 6600mAh. Otehrwise I would just have taken it home and noticed after unpacking (which makes it a lot harder to go back and try getting a refund) [09:30] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:30] Most web stores do not mention battery capacity at all, this one did, lucky me [09:31] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:31] alienBOB: so what did they do to correct the issue? [09:31] alienBOB, aha, yea good thing you had the extra cup of coffee there and were cognitive enough to notice it. [09:31] Still 5600mAH gives me 6 hours of working with that eeepc before it runs out [09:31] my question is.. why advertise it.. then try to screw someone over [09:31] unless they ran out and didn't want to tell you [09:32] profit? [09:32] mbhayes: they only offered to cancel the order, but tried to sell me several other ones first (the 901 and the 1000) [09:32] "dude.. I don't want to tell this guy we don't have the battery.. he'll kill me!" [09:32] tntslack (n=will@adsl30-101.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:32] yeah [09:32] alienBOB: who'd you order that from? [09:32] I said, if the price goes down I will take that 904 as-is, but the kid behind the counter did not have that authority [09:33] mbhayes: a dutch web shop, http://zercom.nl who has an outlet here in eindhoven [09:33] Beed (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) left irc: "::" [09:33] I never buy without the option to physically collect my stuff [09:33] Beed (n=grieve@CPE-70-92-3-35.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:33] alienBOB, does your receipt from purchasing it online have the specs shown on it? maybe you can talk to a manager? [09:33] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: "Java user signed off" [09:33] The receipt did not show the specs... [09:34] ah ok [09:34] figures [09:34] any time someone offers detailed billing... [09:34] :) [09:35] BUt I can now order the same machine again, because an hour after I ordered it on friday, they lowered the price (probably because the thing now ships with a smaller battery) but they did not change the price tag on my order (because I ordered before the price drop) [09:35] I hate when that happens. [09:35] packetee1 (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:35] american express price protection helps for that [09:36] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:36] This is the one, still showing the wrong capacity: http://www.zercom.eu/index.php?p=35&f=1&s=1&a=157462 [09:37] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [09:37] raela|alt (n=raela@205.133.81.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:38] man, I'd print that out and then start calling and making some holy hell claims to repor them etc [09:38] rizitis (n=rizitis@athedsl-4559265.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:39] thrice`, yes, but it has happened to me couple times, that the compilation went pretty shitty..of the package from slackbuild, last time it was mplayer, which was compiled by make in gcc debug mode and there was extreme amount of errors [09:39] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:41] Ongavezir (n=ongavezi@catv-80-98-178-84.catv.broadband.hu) joined ##slackware. [09:41] Heya all PF boyz [09:42] jiraia (n=jiraia@mail.nxt.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:43] Beed (n=grieve@CPE-70-92-3-35.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: "::" [09:43] Beed (n=grieve@CPE-70-92-3-35.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:43] Wtfm slackboy where are you brotha? [09:43] Or under PF now? [09:43] PF= penguinfucker, penguinfucking [09:44] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [09:44] Arathorn (n=Arathorn@puma-easynet.mxtelecom.com) joined ##slackware. [09:44] me thinks your visit will be short lived. [09:44] Why chopp brotha? [09:45] I'm not your brotha, now beat it. [09:45] and DO NOT pm me [09:45] You are my brotha' [09:45] hi all - is it possible to upgrade the glibc package on an older slackware by installing one from a newer version? (in this instance, installing the one from slackware 11.0 onto 10.2 in order to get a version bump from glibc 2.3.5 to 2.3.6) [09:45] I am DA TUKSKILLAH' [09:46] And I am da President of SLHA ( Slackware Linuks Haters Associate ) [09:46] It is clear brotha' ? [09:47] The penguinfucking most stopping today! [09:47] alienBOB: we have a fool. ^^^ [09:48] chopp brotha' have any problems with my AntiTuksfucking project? [09:48] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:48] sometimes I wish irc was real life, because you my friend, I would have by the throat. [09:49] chopp: i'm not sure i'd venture that close... [09:49] k_wolf (n=wolf@201008254164.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:49] Deep throat?:) [09:49] k_wolf brotha Willkomt! [09:50] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:50] The Holy Djihad started again today against the Hell of Linuks [09:51] Our companies under attack and heavy gunfire [09:51] BUT! We will the Winner with Bill Gates [09:51] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.226.76) joined ##slackware. [09:51] tntslack (n=will@adsl30-101.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:52] It was clearly chopp my holyness brotha? [09:52] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:53] mohaa (n=moha@85-170-145-6.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:53] Arathorn (n=Arathorn@puma-easynet.mxtelecom.com) left irc: "useless" [09:54] Old_Fogie you there? [09:54] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:55] Ro8inB (i=0@c83-248-8-198.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [09:55] hello [09:55] where can i find my network log? [09:56] Ro8inB : what network log? [09:57] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [09:58] to check log over connections and such. [09:58] port log maybe? [09:59] 'log over connections and such'? what? [09:59] port log? no such thing [09:59] what's the problem you're trying to solve? [10:00] i'm portscanning myself using nmap trying to see if i log the connections. [10:01] you don't, unless you have something set up to do so [10:01] ok. [10:01] do you know any lightweight program for that? [10:02] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:02] iptables [10:02] netfilter. although it's silly [10:02] is netfilter silly? [10:02] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [10:02] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*n=ongave*@*.catv.broadband.hu' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [10:02] Ongavezir kicked from ##slackware by alienBOB: Butt out [10:03] wt [10:03] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [10:03] Ro8inB : no. the idea of logging connections is silly [10:03] mtu (n=mbueker@dslb-088-071-018-137.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [10:03] just curious of how things work. [10:04] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-6-51.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:05] AlexElliott (n=alex@sns6-212.york.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:06] Ro8inB, why not use Wireshark to capture incoming packets and see how things work? [10:07] packet dumps are very educational. they didn't teach that in school [10:07] psychicist (n=psychici@195-241-68-222.ip.telfort.nl) left ##slackware. [10:08] sure i'll try it out. thanks [10:08] hi everybody [10:10] i'm trying to see if my pcmcia express card slot is recognized by my system under slackwaare ....... when i plug a device (a tv card express) i have no message returned by the command ---> dmesg | tail [10:10] paissad, is /etc/rc.d/rc.pcmcia executable? [10:11] AEnima1578 (n=asdfjkl@c-71-62-151-225.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:11] i did lspci but i don't know if my card is listed, so i paste it here and ask for your help http://www.pastebin.ca/1344969 [10:11] slava_dp, i check it [10:12] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl257-87.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [10:12] any version of wireshark to recommend, or just the latest? [10:12] slava_dp, yes it is [10:12] Ro8inB, latest. Slackbuild is available :) [10:12] ok, thanks man =) [10:13] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl257-87.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:13] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [10:15] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [10:16] paissad, i dunno but i think you're using backtrack instead of slackware. [10:16] slava_dp, no i'm on slackware lol [10:16] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:19] btw, i would like to know, which of this scripts is loaded by default, or do they all be loaded at start up ? [10:19] http://www.pastebin.ca/1344984 [10:19] paissad, lspcmcia [10:19] i did it too, and nothing [10:20] then it doesn't work. [10:20] i'm Running under root, and almost every program tell me it can be dangerous, is it? [10:20] :) [10:20] slava_dp, i've done modprobe pciehp too [10:21] slava_dp, is my express card listed in the linked i pasted above ? [10:21] link* [10:21] Ro8inB, it only means you're using bad programs :D [10:21] (seriously, it is) [10:21] hehe ok. [10:21] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:21] so it has nothing to do with my configuration? [10:22] Camarade_Tux: ? are you supposed not to run as root in linux? :) [10:22] paissad (n=paissad@89.55.198-77.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:23] Aldaron, the solution offered here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xterm/+bug/72530 seems to work -- to have Alt working as you'd expect in xterm. (not an ideal solution for me - as I would have liked Alt_L to be that, and Alt_R as it is -- typing non-ASCII characters, but that's probably not possible) [10:23] hehe, currently I'm running as root [10:23] but I reinstalled last week :) [10:23] Aldaron, just telling you if you were perhaps interested yourself in getting that :) anyway, I'm off for dinner and stuff, byebye. [10:23] well i think it's a bad practice. [10:23] Action: Camarade_Tux wonders what the channel's highest score on robot is :) [10:24] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [10:25] k_wolf_ (n=wolf@201008254164.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:27] when i run vbox as root, my usb devises are working, but on usermode, they are unavailable. how i can fix it? [10:30] sQuEE` (n=narya@host211.201-253-131.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [10:31] frnkp67 (n=frank@dhcp-077-250-129-239.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:32] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [10:32] \leave [10:33] Beed: thanks, interesting :) [10:33] Nick change: frnkp67 -> |Slacker| [10:34] Nick change: |Slacker| -> {Slacker360} [10:35] tntslack: I think that is controlled by dbus management... I believe you want to make sure your user is in the plugdev group [10:35] don't remember though [10:35] tntslack: try adding your user to plugdev [10:36] <{Slacker360}> ls [10:36] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [10:37] <{Slacker360}> 'lo [10:37] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl257-87.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [10:37] zxh (n=red@218.26.164.24) joined ##slackware. [10:37] hitest i am on plugdev [10:37] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl257-87.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:38] anyone knows how can i open a amr file [10:39] sQuEE (n=narya@host211.201-253-131.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Success [10:39] tntslack (n=will@adsl30-101.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:40] <{Slacker360}> In which context is AMR defined/used? [10:40] k_wolf (n=wolf@201008254164.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:40] a kind of sound file [10:41] play file.amr. my wild guess :) [10:41] :) [10:41] <{Slacker360}> http://www.fileinfo.net/extension/amr [10:41] is it possible that I have ruined a filesystem by accidently passing init=/dev/hdb1 rw to the kernel instead of the intended init=/bin/bash rw ? [10:42] <{Slacker360}> You're system doesn't start anymore Her? [10:43] I was playing with some boot stuff and fscked it up a bit, so I thought I'd restore it by init into bash, but then my fingers wrote the boot device instead [10:44] but it seems xfs_repair have made some progress here [10:44] <{Slacker360}> Worst case: start with a live distro and restore the backup-ped kernel [10:45] zxh: use ffmpeg or vlc to play that amr audio file [10:45] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. 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[11:02] hmm, facebook sometimes performs really well : http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2009/02/11/new-facebook-photo-hacks/ [11:08] AEnima1578 (n=asdfjkl@nc6521b3d.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:08] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:08] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.168.180) joined ##slackware. [11:09] eelriver (n=eelriver@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:14] agentc0reWORK (n=chatzill@heartslc.com) joined ##slackware. [11:15] raelakoira (n=raela@206.21.75.125) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:15] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [11:16] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.146.97) left irc: "Auribus teneos lupus: I hold the wolf by the ears" [11:18] npad (n=nick@dsl211-146-242.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [11:20] Nick change: cipher -> [cipher] [11:21] how do i change permissions for devices plugged in [11:21] i notice for such things such as webcam /dev/video0 it is set to rw-rw---- [11:21] i want it to set automatically to rw-rw-rw, etc [11:22] udev [11:22] yes [11:22] write a udev rule [11:22] im aware of udev but any certain files i can edit? [11:22] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:23] i see /etc/udev/rules.d [11:23] so it has bunch of files in there. i'll play around. thanks. [11:28] othermindszine (n=othermin@60.sub-70-192-36.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [11:28] |usuario| (n=OrLock@200-158-29-81.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:28] |usuario| (n=OrLock@200-158-29-81.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:30] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) joined ##slackware. [11:30] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [11:30] hi [11:31] i get the following message when trying to read a dvd: "A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file" [11:31] what's the output of groups? [11:31] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:31] run the command 'groups' as the user trying to access the device [11:32] I'm willing to bet that user isn't in the plugdev group [11:32] walley (n=chatzill@mail.hzsol.cz) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [SeaMonkey 2.0b1pre/20090222000535]" [11:33] yes you won the bet [11:33] geoff_k (n=geoff_k_@cpc3-asht4-0-0-cust917.asfd.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:33] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [11:33] i was sure i added this user :) [11:33] but maybe i have added another one [11:33] thanks [11:34] heh [11:34] np [11:34] mbhayes: one more week to the new job [11:35] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:35] nick__ (n=nick@pool-173-66-2-167.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:35] dadexter1laptop (n=martin@modemcable229.25-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:37] geoff_k (n=geoff_k_@cpc3-asht4-0-0-cust917.asfd.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [11:37] dadexter_laptop (n=martin@modemcable229.25-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:37] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) joined ##slackware. [11:38] well i have restarted X and now I am in plugdev and cdrom but i am getting the same message [11:39] credo (n=name@80.233.147.119) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:39] Ro8inB (i=0@c83-248-8-198.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: "Leaving" [11:40] maybe there is something wrong with the policy: (the other part of the message) "(rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")" [11:41] credo (n=name@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [11:41] i have "" [11:41] in /etc/dbus-1/system.d/hal.conf [11:43] kr_eten: grep cdrom /etc/fstab [11:43] (show me output of that) [11:43] its commented out: #/dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom auto noauto,owner,ro 0 0 [11:44] mohaa (n=moha@85-170-145-6.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:44] Okay, that's fine. Does "groups" show your user as a member of plugdev group? [11:44] If so, then as root, do this: /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload [11:44] Note that it says "reload" NOT "restart" [11:45] yes, it is. ok [11:45] done. same error [11:47] That makes no sense. [11:47] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [11:47] As horrible as it sounds, you might need a reboot. [11:47] restarted hal? [11:48] Shouldn't be needed [11:48] is parted installed? [11:48] (caught me out) [11:48] A full restart of dbus should fix it, but you'll need to be out of your desktop environment before you do that. [11:48] lowkyalur (n=low@icm13-orange.orange.sk) joined ##slackware. [11:48] dive: without parted, he'd never have gotten this far. [11:48] is init 3 init 4 ok? [11:48] right [11:49] or reboot? [11:49] Just reboot; that's the least error-prone metho [11:49] d [11:49] ok [11:49] brb [11:49] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:49] Action: adrenaline salutes, Hi rworkman [11:49] geoff_k (n=geoff_k_@cpc3-asht4-0-0-cust917.asfd.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:50] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@82.50.251.4) joined ##slackware. [11:50] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [11:50] I probably won't be here when he returns, so... if that doesn't fix it, I have no idea other than to think he might have finagled with his dbus configs. Have him reinstall dbus and hal, move all *.new files over, reboot again, and it should work. [11:50] adrenaline: ola [11:50] and I'm afk again. [11:50] let's hope reboot does it [11:50] cyas [11:51] http://pastebin.com/m571a1258 could you please have a look and give me some pointers why Teamspeak is not running on my slack12.2 anymore (yes, i asked TS forums already...no reply for weeks) mebbe some of you got an idea? [11:51] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.141.62) joined ##slackware. [11:52] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [11:52] Anyone familiar with SMS? [11:52] like in short message service? [11:52] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) joined ##slackware. [11:52] now it works thanks [11:52] kr_eten, nice [11:53] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:53] lowkyalur: No, slackware mini server [11:53] sthrange it needed a reboot [11:53] strange* [11:53] http://sms.it-ccs.com/downloads.html [11:53] npad (n=nick@dsl211-146-242.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:53] Having tbouble booting it. [11:53] and by the way i am with not standard slackware kernel [11:54] lowkyalur, where and how did you stall TS exactly? When I did it I seems to recal just copying the TS folder in /home/dive and running it from there [11:54] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:54] seems that you have /usr/bin/teamspeak [11:55] i got the package from slacky.eu ... [11:55] ... [11:55] arny_ (n=arny@79.119.156.229) joined ##slackware. [11:55] get the tar from teamspeak.org or whatever the url is now and follow their directions [11:56] Nick change: arny_ -> arny` [11:56] iirc you just untar it and run the bin from there [11:56] alisonken1home: counting down the days eh [11:56] ... /usr/bin/teamspeak is running /opt/Teamspeak2/Teamspeak.bin with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/TeamSpeak2 [11:56] Error: /etc/rc.d/rc.S: line 14: /sbin/mount: Input/output error [11:56] soon it will be hours.. then minutes.. then seconds. [11:56] hi all [11:57] arny`: Hi U [11:57] Wonder if it could be a memory problem? [11:57] Bad RAM stick? [11:58] I should do memtest. [11:58] usr13, which slack version? [11:58] brb afk [11:59] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [12:00] SlackLnx (n=Lee@85.139.11.176) joined ##slackware. [12:02] dive still gives the same error even if i install from the original download or if directly run the binary from it. [12:03] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*n=ongave*@*.catv.broadband.hu expired. [12:03] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*n=ongave*@*.catv.broadband.hu' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [12:03] necropresto (n=necropre@unaffiliated/necropresto) joined ##slackware. [12:04] []cipher (n=cipher@41.252.37.223) joined ##slackware. [12:07] lowkyalur, what does 'echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH' output? [12:10] nothing [12:10] is that a problem? [12:11] anyone know any good websites for searching what pill is what from its markings? [12:11] ok I just noticed there is a TeamSpeak startup script - try that [12:11] should have a line like 'export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/dive/progs/teamspeak:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH' [12:12] '/home/dive/progs/teamspeak/TeamSpeak.bin $*' [12:12] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.89) joined ##slackware. [12:12] geoff_k (n=geoff_k_@cpc3-asht4-0-0-cust917.asfd.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [12:14] dive: sure, I have the same...diff path though. This one is the one that gives the errors. Should my LD_LIBRARY_PATH contain anything by default? [12:14] lowkyalur, not always, but the script should point it at the teamspeak dir [12:15] dive: that's all fine. it's just crash/hanging with the pastebinned issue [12:15] which version of TS is it btw? [12:15] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:16] 2.0.32.60 [12:16] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [12:16] hmm same here [12:16] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [12:16] I've been using that version since around slack 11 or so I think [12:16] could it be a utf-8 problem? [12:17] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-5-160.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:17] all I can think of is either a missing package, or wrong environmental setting [12:17] lowkyalur, maybe - are you using utf8 locale? [12:17] Action: lowkyalur nods. [12:17] en_US-UTF-8? [12:17] Action: lowkyalur nods again. [12:18] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.62.88) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:18] or en_US.UTF-8 rether [12:18] can you pastebin the output from 'env'? [12:18] and 'locale' [12:20] http://pastebin.com/d42e79c59 [12:21] btw i had to link /usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8 to /usr/lib/locale/en_US.utf8 ... [12:21] ... as the locale says UTF-8 and is complaining [12:22] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.121.88) joined ##slackware. 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[12:32] dive: you can see it around line 51 in my first pastebin [12:32] http://pastebin.com/m571a1258 to refresh your memory:) [12:33] lowkyalur, but it correctly reads it in line 52 [12:33] "52. open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US.utf8/LC_IDENTIFICATION", O_RDONLY) = 3" [12:33] so no need for that symlink I'm thinking [12:34] lowkyalur, you have "export LANG=en_US.UTF-8" in /etc/profile.d/lang.sh? [12:35] export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 [12:37] try putting "LANG=C" in that startup script to see if utf8 is the problem [12:37] or even "LANG=en_US" [12:38] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:38] nope, that didnt change too much [12:39] still seems to be a font problem [12:39] it's still that Error reading Label7.Font.Name: Division by zero. error [12:39] yep. [12:39] And the other day you listed your font packages I seem to recall? [12:39] SEPULLOCO (n=SEPULLOC@200-100-219-10.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [12:39] hmmm [12:39] long ago [12:40] If only TS source was available... could have a look at it [12:40] yep. i recall. you checked it against yours and it was oke [12:41] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [12:41] crivens, really. [12:42] lowkyalur, I've pasted my font list - /varlog/packages/*font* - there will probably be some you don't have/need but it might be worth checking out [12:43] http://pastebin.com/m7902b433 [12:43] necropresto (n=necropre@unaffiliated/necropresto) left ##slackware. [12:45] renew_01 (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] lowkyalur, if you install any - do a 'fc-cache -f' to force recaching of all fonts [12:47] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:49] dive: i have one font package more than you, that's all. [12:50] try that fc-cache command anyway to see it it affects anything [12:50] tried, doesnt do anything [12:50] do any other apps have font problems? [12:51] osd_cat is not displaying vector fonts, but that's maybe only me. xfontsel is fine, gimp too. [12:52] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-175-85.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Connection timed out [12:54] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:54] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [12:56] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.37.223) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:57] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [12:58] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl257-87.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [12:58] rizitis (n=rizitis@athedsl-4559265.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:00] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:01] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@63.243.153.20) joined ##slackware. [13:01] dive: think i found something in the binary. Label7 seems at some point associated with MS Sans Serif. And this font is not working in xfontsel with me. i'll check into it and get back soon. [13:02] ok [13:02] yeah I have core MS fonts in ~/.fonts [13:02] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:02] maybe that's it [13:03] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) joined ##slackware. [13:08] rizitis (n=rizitis@athedsl-4556559.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:09] arny` (n=arny@79.119.156.229) left irc: "Leaving" [13:09] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.31) left irc: [13:10] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [13:13] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.42) joined ##slackware. [13:13] nope still nothing. ms sans serif lists fine now in xfontsel. i think i have to give up for today. thank you anyways for your help and time and patience! [13:15] I would like to have a script run globally on my machine when I launch X. the article I'm reading mentions that the place for it is /etc/X11/Xsession.d. however, that does not seem to fit with slackware. where would I place the script to be run on slack? [13:16] edman007|work (n=edman007@ool-44c286d0.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [13:16] try ~/.xinitrc [13:16] lowkyalur: that would be specific to a user [13:16] paissad (n=paissad@89.55.198-77.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [13:16] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:17] sigh. youre right [13:17] I was looking for something in the spirit of profile.d, where you can have the script run globally and simply comment it out if yuo're down using it [13:17] err not comment it out [13:17] chmod -x it [13:17] lowkyalur: heh, no worries, it's monday. we've got an excuse ;-) [13:18] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:18] hacking /usr/bin/startx is not an option? [13:19] ah [13:19] check /usr/bin/startx ... there it says something like in the spirit of profile.d, where you can have the script run globally and simply comment it out if yuo're down using it [13:19] Action: lowkyalur swears like a trooper. [13:19] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl257-87.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:19] blame it on the monday. [13:20] there it says something like: sysclientrc=/usr/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc [13:20] so maybe there goes a systemwide script to execute on starting X? [13:20] hmmm [13:21] though i think it's only executed if ~/.xinitrc is not existing [13:21] yeah that's a single script file. I'd have to do some bash magic, and I *ugh* don't like working in bash. [13:21] heh [13:22] girevikmoto (n=girevikm@c-71-207-214-118.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:23] hi, please somebody check the beginning of slackbuild script here http://www.slackwiki.org/Writing_A_SlackBuild_Script and tell me how the hell the tarball gets to /tmp directory [13:23] there is nothing which would tell the shell to do so [13:24] hrad: you can pass the TMP as a param when you execute the slackbuild [13:24] i.e. foo.Slackbuild TMP=blahblah I t hink [13:24] tntslack (n=will@adsl30-101.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:25] newbie here (recent convert from windows, 2 months of using kubuntu hardy), got a question and i figured slackware people probably have more expertise than the kubuntu people [13:25] eh [13:25] hrad: check for "Build the Package" on that document, where it reads : /sbin/makepkg -l y -c n $TMP/$APP-$PKG_VERSION-$ARCH-$BUILD.tgz [13:25] YOu can ask.. don't expect an answer. [13:25] yes, but there is nothing in the script which would copy the tarball from the build directory to /tmp ...... there is just "tar -zxvf $CWD/$APP-$VERSION.tar.gz || exit 1" which unpacks it, but how did it get there? [13:26] i am trying to share a folder from my linux box to my roommates xp box... ive configured a Samba share [13:26] do i need NFS to export the directory file system? [13:26] er.. ok [13:26] lowkyalur, ok [13:26] girevikmoto: no [13:26] or is that also a function of Samba [13:26] girevikmoto: Are you even using Slackware? [13:27] girevikmoto: samba and nfs are two separate systems completely [13:27] Sama shares off the directories directly to the network if you configure it properly.. and then windows machines can hit it directly by browsing the network or doing \\\ [13:27] girevikmoto: I suggest for samba related questions you go to #samba [13:27] as it's specific to #samba [13:27] Action: girevikmoto slaps self for being a fool [13:27] thanks for pointing me in the right direction [13:27] :) [13:27] but it's nice to know that you think that us slackfolks are more knowledgeable ;-) [13:28] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:28] Action: lowkyalur is the best example... [13:28] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl257-87.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:28] lowkyalur: also the most humble too ;-) [13:28] mishehu: If he/she thinks that, maybe they should install it as well *hint hint! :D [13:28] lowkyalur, so then I don't understand the part "Extract sources" what is extracted to the /tmp ... [13:29] Action: agentc0reWORK nudges girevikmoto *HINT HINT* [13:29] girevikmoto (n=girevikm@c-71-207-214-118.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [13:29] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl257-87.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:29] dk (n=lima@dk.linuxsecured.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:29] cd $TMP > tar -zxvf $CWD/$APP-$VERSION.tar.gz ...but in this faze, there should be nothing :) [13:31] hrad: the extract sources part is before making the package. it is unpacking the sources to tmp, to compile them there. then when everything is compiled, the sources are binned, and the binary is wrapped up to a package [13:32] hrad: You should realy read another slackbuild before writing your own. [13:32] hrad: it's a bit confusing that it's taking place also in tmp, however that's one of the best places. so for package you do: move zipped source to tmp, unzip source, compile source, bin source, make package from binaries. [13:32] s/move/copy/ [13:33] lowkyalur: except (like me) when /tmp (on root) is a smallish (<1G) partition and you're biggest space is on another disk [13:34] alisonken1: so you know the long and dire path of TMP=ing every package as well. [13:34] lowkyalur, yes, but: "cd $TMP" means go to the /tmp and "tar -zxvf $CWD/$APP-$VERSION.tar.gz" means $CWD (which is $(PWD) (which is /tmp)) so you are in /tmp and want to unpack the tarball, but before these lines there is no command which would copy the tarball in there :) I don't know [13:34] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [13:34] I have $TMP pointing to somewhere else as a temp build area [13:34] geoff_k (n=geoff_k_@cpc3-asht4-0-0-cust917.asfd.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "I've got a shed and im going to tinker in it" [13:35] hrad: "cd $TMP" means "go to the directory pointed to by the variable $TMP" - may not be the same [13:36] alisonken1, yes, but in that sample it is /tmp, and usually it is /tmp...but that's not the point I'm talking about [13:36] hrad: $CWD is not the "pwd" ... it is the "pwd" when the script starts. so "tar -zxvf $CWD/$APP-$VERSION.tar.gz" really refers NOT to /tmp/ [13:36] check for "#Set initial variables" on the site [13:37] lowkyalur, ouch, when the script starts...I'm very sorry then :) [13:37] nm [13:38] hrad, are you building a slackbuild from scratch or using the sbo template? [13:40] evo- (n=evo@p4FD4CC03.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:41] dive, from scratch, I'm learning...to not destroy the system at least in this year [13:42] hrad, I would have a look at the template to be honest, there are a few things there to learn from [13:42] more than a few things :) [13:43] dive, do you mean this template ? http://slackbuilds.org/template.SlackBuild [13:44] dive, or there are any other out there [13:44] hrad: that would be a good start [13:44] yes [13:44] ok [13:47] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:49] hrad, there is also a howto for writing slack-desc, .info and README on sb.o [13:55] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-113-34.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. 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[15:36] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:36] it's a network analyzer [15:36] it just stops working after awhile [15:37] not usually it doesn't [15:37] are you sniffing on wireless interface? [15:37] nope wired [15:37] that is most likely a driver issue [15:38] ok, any suggestions on how to fix it? [15:38] isn't there a wireshark channel on freenode? [15:38] yes [15:38] maybe ill check it. ty [15:38] and there is also mail list [15:39] ok. [15:46] Nick change: faffi -> jbest1 [15:47] Nick change: jbest1 -> faffi [15:49] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:50] rg3 (n=rg3@62.32.131.50) joined ##slackware. [15:50] hi [15:50] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left ##slackware. [15:52] spiral_architect (n=spiral_a@24.225.23.245) left irc: "Leaving" [15:56] Hi, is there a shortcut to look if a user is currently on the channel besides scrolling up & down? Thanks [15:56] MIrrorIMage (n=rosegael@node-70.96.sfws.auburn.edu) left irc: "Imagination is more important than knowledge" [15:57] MIrrorIMage (n=rosegael@node-70.96.sfws.auburn.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:57] ... [15:57] MIrrorIMage: type his/her nick and hit "tab", if it completes... [15:57] /n [15:57] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host87-63-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:58] this is the freenode, nickname, wireshark, anything but slackware help channel [15:58] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "hora de ir tomar cerveja" [15:58] rg3: thanks! [16:02] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:02] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) left irc: "leaving" [16:03] MIrrorIMage (n=rosegael@node-70.96.sfws.auburn.edu) left irc: "Imagination is more important than knowledge" [16:03] nullboy, do you need a hug? [16:03] lol [16:04] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) joined ##slackware. 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[16:29] echo "nullboy" > /dev/null [16:30] :> [16:30] you SOB! you just divided by zero [16:30] we're all dead [16:30] i know ... im a zombie [16:30] cat nullboy > nullboy1 [16:31] great now we're cloning [16:31] i'd say you're replacing [16:32] speaking about dead and zombies , i've found myself watching Michael jackson thriller video few days ago , i found it very entertaining [16:32] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:32] great video for the 80's [16:32] i find his movies good [16:32] his production movies are fine, it's the home videos that are freaky [16:33] haha [16:33] he's a freak [16:33] home videos ? [16:33] he's an artist [16:33] he sure made history [16:33] he might be talented, but he is twisted. [16:33] yeah , kind of twisted [16:34] kind of? what part of that is normal? [16:34] he's exentric [16:35] jesus juice....nuff said [16:36] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [16:38] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Buhbye!" [16:40] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.168.180) joined ##slackware. [16:41] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [16:47] Anakin (n=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [16:48] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:48] lannders (n=lannders@107-149.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:52] lowkyalur (n=low@icm13-orange.orange.sk) joined ##slackware. [16:53] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [16:54] othermindszine (n=othermin@227.sub-70-192-150.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:55] jiraia (n=jiraia@mail.nxt.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:55] jiraia (n=jiraia@189.27.68.104.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:57] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [16:58] jiraia (n=jiraia@189.27.68.104.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [16:58] whould it be bad if i promote a derivative ? [16:58] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:58] promote it all you want but don't send people here for support.... [16:59] :) [16:59] please download this: https://sourceforge.net/projects/nemonico/ [16:59] leave now [16:59] noo! [17:00] he said i can [17:00] this is not the place to advertise some derivative [17:00] it aint as bad as the others before it [17:00] It is not a derivative [17:00] true, its not [17:00] lannders: nemonico is not your puppy [17:00] its just an installer :) [17:01] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host81-153-236-141.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:01] taketh, i wanna see numbers [17:01] Nick change: renew_01 -> renew [17:01] l4m4_m4n (n=l4m4_m4n@83.218.195.61) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:02] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:03] one can finish a complete install without "many" bugs, and boot up after [17:03] i tested so much that is almost certifiable, almost [17:03] lannders: you wrote this? [17:03] did i have a brainfart and forget how to login to IRC? is it like this? /msg NickServ identify [17:03] Nick change: rizitis_bbl -> rizitis [17:04] Pig_Pen: yeah [17:04] Pig_Pen: yes [17:04] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] its been almost 5 years ? [17:05] i thought i lost my mind, i keep getting [Error] NickServ: No such nick/channel [17:05] I think services went down for a little bit [17:05] lol [17:05] ChanServ vanished from #wicd for a little bit. [17:06] alienBOB: its getting unamangable actually [17:06] There we are. [17:06] it looks like i am logged in, or at least no one else is using my nick forcing an underscore at the end of my nick [17:06] Services did go down. [17:06] lannders if it is you, you used a different name to write me about nemonico sometime ago [17:07] works now :D [17:07] rizitis (n=rizitis@athedsl-4556559.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "ta leme" [17:07] alienBOB: too many nicks ? [17:08] alienBOB: its part of the advertising [17:08] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:08] AEnima1579 (n=asdfjkl@c-71-62-151-225.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] alloha gangsters :-) [17:08] ellohay [17:09] hi macavity [17:09] it has nice things for the disk configurations, and with less errors [17:10] almost intuitive as an X based installer [17:10] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:10] AEnima1578 (n=asdfjkl@nc6521b3d.cns.vt.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:11] ok, if you wanna make funny stuff (and already know how to do it) with the disks and wanna save time download it [17:11] its a nice waste of time [17:12] and it comes in black and white [17:12] no bids ? [17:12] ok [17:12] download atleast 20 or 30 times [17:12] so i can hook a job [17:12] i loosing my balls here [17:13] http://pastebin.com/m471b587d lol, some of the email i get is hilarious [17:13] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.37.223) joined ##slackware. [17:13] npad (n=nick@dsl211-146-242.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [17:13] Pig_Pen: reminds me of something that rworkman put in noobfarm [17:14] Or was noobfarmed for. [17:14] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.49.80) joined ##slackware. [17:15] noobfarm is cool, i try to visit that page at least once a day looking for something new to read :D [17:15] I loled at the woodchucks [17:18] has anyone used this before ? https://sourceforge.net/projects/nemonico/ [17:18] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.167) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [17:19] it makes good overones on the screen cursor position [17:21] the name sounds good [17:24] it comes with screen integrated, and some fancys [17:27] n0on3 (n=n0on3@81-208-83-247.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [17:32] The-spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) joined ##slackware. [17:32] cpunches (n=cpunches@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:32] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [17:32] is there a tool in the slackware base that converts video_ts to iso? [17:32] for dvd? [17:32] topgun17 (n=topgun17@adsl-3-251-74.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:33] video_ts is just a directory for dvd video files to be (.ifo, .vob, .bup) [17:33] so you can use k3b for example. [17:33] or mkisofs [17:33] right; so how do I turn that directory back into a playable dvd iso? I mean...it's a different fs now. [17:33] n0on3 (n=n0on3@81-208-83-247.fastres.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:33] How do I make it so I can top startx as a regular user and start the xwindows system? [17:34] cpunches: like I said, you just need to use mkisofs or k3b [17:34] cpunches, dont u mean making a dvd-rip ? [17:34] DeeeP: HEHE yeah I made a backup of one of my DVD's but I must have done it before I know how to make an iso backup :D [17:34] and now the DVD is lost :) [17:35] hrad (n=hrad___@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:35] dont u have the original yet ? 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[17:44] How do i change the init level so that I get a graohical login prompt [17:44] topgun17: change to runlevel "4". edit /etc/inittab [17:46] dtanner: which line in the inittab file domi modify? [17:47] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Connection reset by peer [17:47] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [17:49] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:49] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [17:49] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:50] topgun17 (n=topgun17@adsl-3-251-74.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:50] lowkyalur (n=low@icm13-orange.orange.sk) left irc: "chasing snowflakes" [17:50] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [17:52] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Connection reset by peer [17:53] topgun17: id:3:initdefault: -> id:4:initdefault: [17:53] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [17:53] topgun17 (n=topgun17@adsl-3-251-74.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:55] damn man. i just had to walk 6 miles to where my brother works because i stepped outside of my apartment and the wind caught the door slammed it shut and locked [17:56] :o [17:56] How does one go about gettin the followimng wifi adapter configured >>Broadcom BCM4312 802.11g [17:56] were you nekked >..>? [17:56] If I want to start my own distibution based on Slackware, where do I start? [17:57] nix_chix0r: i was lucky enough to have my pants shoes and a shirt on and that was it [17:57] Not here kleanchap [17:57] Do you have an idea what you want with another Slackware derivative? [17:57] re [17:57] how can I store routing table ? [17:58] every time when I restart my small server routing table is reset [17:58] pirving_ (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:58] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.74) joined ##slackware. [17:58] then, what situation is with br0 device ? [17:58] after reboot there is need to reconfigure bridge settings ? [17:59] you script it.... [17:59] Yes, I know what I want on Slackware derivative. [17:59] in rc.local in example ? [18:00] if you want [18:00] You talking about routing sotre or bridge ? [18:00] There are some already that want to charge. I want mine for my work only. [18:00] but..that gets executed at the end [18:00] so..make your own and edit the init scripts [18:00] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Connection reset by peer [18:00] \What pacakgemanaager does salckware use? [18:00] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [18:00] pkgtools [18:01] brain [18:01] no the dep manager is brain [18:01] topgun17: slackbook.org [18:01] hmm, point [18:02] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:04] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [18:05] connection broke for a while [18:05] server reboot [18:06] Action: edman007|work reboots mac- [18:06] Firefox won't start [18:07] topgun17 (n=topgun17@adsl-3-251-74.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:07] define wont start [18:07] or leave [18:07] that works too [18:08] rabble rabble [18:09] I would have expected that as a question... "why does firefox not start?" [18:12] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176086056.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [18:13] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.42) left irc: [18:14] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [18:16] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:18] because it sucks? :) but make no mistake, firefox' flash player sucks even more [18:19] rg3 (n=rg3@62.32.131.50) left irc: "Quit" [18:20] flash is what causes firefox to suck for me [18:21] everytime firefox crashes it is from flash locking up [18:21] Action: eviljames rabble rabbles [18:21] oh lord - I just read about "Elevate America" ... just shoot me now [18:21] so dont install the flash player or add an extention to limit flash [18:21] rk4n3: ? linky? [18:21] http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/23/220227 [18:21] flash is a shit on linux [18:22] People still read slashdot? [18:22] I thought once the digg-vasion happened it was over? [18:22] i dont know id is only adobe flash... [18:22] flash is shit everywhere [18:22] eviljames: call me a luddite :) [18:22] flash works not to bad on windows... [18:22] adobe fault [18:22] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-113-34.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:22] i hate flash [18:22] it does... [18:22] rk4n3: Not to date myself too badly, but I remember when Slashdot was one of the most hilarious and/or insightful places on the internet, depending on the day. [18:23] firefox keeps crashing in windows too because of it [18:23] hm [18:23] eviljames: indeed ... I still find it enjoyable, not necessarily as a primary source of info, but its usually a good read anyway [18:23] i have no problems using opera, just a few slowdowns sometimes [18:23] firefox is alway slow, with or without flash :) [18:24] lol, bash-4.0 is out :p [18:24] Camarade_Tux: did you say helo to him? [18:24] hello* [18:24] caixabox_: Oo hi [18:25] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl9-165-39.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [18:25] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:25] bash died here when i discovered ksh93 [18:26] lol [18:26] Action: BP{k} haz bash-4.0 [18:26] ksh = <3 [18:26] nachox: do you like OpenSolaris? [18:26] ksh is nice but i don't go out of my way to install it [18:26] pi31415: you mean installpkg is too much ? ;) [18:26] so long as it isn't csh spawn, i'm happy [18:27] MegafEee, i do, but i use ksh everywhere not just in solaris [18:27] zsh [18:27] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:27] Srsly, guys, zsh. [18:27] and gals (apologies to the obvious, nix_chix0r) [18:27] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [18:27] BP{k}: it isn't too much, but bash suits me fine [18:27] it sucks for shell scripting, its a decent interactive shell [18:27] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [18:27] nachox: i would use if i could, but i cant [18:27] back in the 90's I had a college friend who couldn't go without building zsh on any sunos box he used [18:28] MegafEee, why? [18:28] rk4n3: And if "Elevate America" trains people as good as MCSE does, then there's really nothing to worry about. [18:28] rk4n3: Essentially MS is going to stimulate the training industry, while providing information of little value and no practical use to people who don't need it. [18:28] nachox: cos opensolaris doesnt run properly here in my eee 701 :) [18:29] eviljames: i thought they were just trying to make the world a better place <=) [18:29] eviljames: I was more lamenting a new flood of mess-makers in the industry ... [18:29] rk4n3: Why would you lament that? [18:29] It's those people that pay my wages! [18:29] =) [18:29] MegafEee, hehe [18:30] pi31415: haha with all their Community Goodwill and Generosity (tm), and the Extend and Embrace policies, MS *only* makes the world a better place, right? [18:30] That's why we're all using their stunning achievement of an operating sys.. oh [18:30] wait [18:30] eviljames: indeed, same here - but that's painful to me - I'd rather be writing the new code that they get to (because of the simple fact they're cheaper) instead of the crap-work of cleaning up their messes [18:30] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.167) joined ##slackware. [18:30] that's not right [18:31] rk4n3: A very fair point. But, I counter: Currently, you can get paid to run AVG scans on 10 computers at the same time *while* coding! [18:31] eviljames: haha - touche :) [18:31] not to mention, you can do the grunt work and code something novel simultaneously, thus getting paid for doing relatively little work, while still solving novel problems. [18:31] Wait, that's what I did mention [18:32] That came out all backwards, but you got the point :) [18:32] :) [18:32] The-spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:33] I would significantly prefer it if they would subsidize a computer basic education for Americans program. [18:34] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [18:34] Not this MCSE-styled garbage, but introduction to the concepts. I'm sorry, Americans, but I used to talk to some of your least computer-literate citizens regularly. [18:34] And let me tell you, the ignorance was little short of stunning. Other countries were never quite so dangerously inept. [18:35] eviljames: I think you're right-on-the-mark ... general computer literacy would be a good topic to cover for many people [18:35] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [18:36] caixabox_ (n=elcio@caixabox.broker.freenet6.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:36] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [18:36] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:36] rk4n3: I became desensitized to people referring to their "hard drives" and "the tray" (aka CDrom) [18:37] rk4n3: What I found the most frustrating was (and this was an exclusively american thing) the "Give me step by step instructions". If the instructions were too complicated, the answer would simply be "fuck you, you insolent prick, let me speak to your manager!" [18:38] I do feel the need to disclaim: I was talking to what I assume to be the dumbest folks around, certainly not representative of any particular, or general Americans. [18:38] heh - definitely sounds American enough ;) [18:39] gateway tech support probably had my uncle reinstall windows on his pc 2 dozen times. i witnessed it one time when they had him reinstall windows twice in the same support call. at that time the problem turned out to be instability due to video card fan failure. [18:39] eviljames: I doubt the smart ones would have needed to call you :) [18:39] i am amazed that he put up with it, but I am certain he didn't buy that brand again [18:39] XGizzmo_: I'd love to agree, but I would get some great "Network Admins" who couldn't figure out the basics of packet routing. [18:40] XGizzmo_: And, they'd be really annoyed if I tried to correct what they learned in the MCNA class. [18:40] I bet [18:40] pi31415: That makes the problem much worse, I agree! [18:41] pi31415: There were a number of people on the tech support floor who had significantly less knowledge than I did [18:41] pi31415: and they would routinely have people re-install their OS or do some other bone-headed unnecessary move. [18:43] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [18:44] reinstall is the quickest way to fix the problem, most of the time when you are dealing with people that should not even own a computer. [18:44] Ro8inB (i=0@c83-248-8-198.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:44] good night, 23:44 [18:44] XGizzmo_: haha, let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater! It's not that these people shouldn't own a computer... [18:44] They just need a little help with the basic care & feeding of such a beast. [18:45] The comparison that non-tech folks come up with against techies is usually akin to: "You can fix a computer, I can fix a car, we're good at differentthings." [18:45] I posit that most techy/geeky/computer people could just as easily fix anything, the difference is critical/analytical skills. [18:46] eviljames: and whether the techie want's to get his/her hands greasy [18:46] alisonken1: haha, there is that too. [18:47] eviljames: If you are a non techy then you dont need to pimp your puter:P [18:47] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) left irc: "leaving" [18:48] XGizzmo_: haha, but you might want to forward a shit-ton of e-mails out to people. [18:48] Wait a second. [18:48] Why was I advocating helping them again... ? [18:48] anyways I am just playing devils advocate. [18:49] npad__ (n=nick@pool-173-66-2-167.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:49] Yeah, I am somewhat too... I get as annoyed as anyone when people can't be bothered to learn the basic terms about their computer (for example). [18:49] I compiled the kernel with 'make modules_install' and now nvidia module isnt found when I do startx [18:50] how do i reinstall nvidia which i got from tgz [18:50] npad__: No, the nvidia module is separate from the kernel itself. [18:50] you need to recompile the nvidia driver [18:50] npad__: And after you update the kernel/modules you need to reinstall the nvidia driver. [18:50] I would think that the nvidia module resided in the kernel path /usr/src/linux/drivers . etc. [18:50] nope [18:51] I dont know wher slackware puts the nvidia stuff after installpkg [18:51] i recently had a problem at work where a pc would die about every 3 weeks, with the operating system files corrupted beyond repair. all hardware diagnostics passed and a reinstall would temporarily fix the problem. [18:51] npad__, nvidia package from slackbuilds.org? [18:51] you need to rebuild the nvidia driver [18:51] /lib/modules [18:51] pi31415: Porn sites. [18:51] pi31415: If it's not hardware, and you're running Windows, it's *always* porn sites. [18:52] finally, i took it aside to run Linux on it for a while. eventually the the hard drive died and the PC would not even boot to BIOS with the drive attached. [18:52] So it was hardware! [18:52] XGizzmo_ how do I rebuild nvidia driver? by runing nvidia's install script? [18:52] or too much pr0n downloaded :D [18:52] the drive was failing intermittently but passing the hardware tests, both dell and the hard drive manufacturer's [18:52] edman007|work (n=edman007@ool-44c286d0.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:52] npad__: That is correct, run nvidia's script :D [18:52] pi31415: This is not uncommon among drives. It is part of why ZFS was created. [18:52] thats the problem. Its not in my hd anymore :( [18:53] npad__: http://www.nvidia.com [18:53] MegafEee (n=WMaker@unaffiliated/megaf) left irc: "Leaving" [18:53] npad: you installed a new kerenl [18:53] time to go to sleep [18:54] npad__: did you change kernel versions? [18:54] Shuren (n=Devilman@host186-170-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "In silence we still talk..." [18:54] this is the first time i've seen a failing hard drive pass the manufacturer's diagnostics [18:54] pi31415: It has happened to me a few times [18:55] pi31415: Just wait until some day you encounter silent write failures. [18:55] Then you'll *really* be scratching your head. [18:57] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [18:57] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: No route to host [19:00] Shuren (n=Devilman@host186-170-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:01] www.alecbridges.com has IPv6 address ::ffff:68.15.84.25 [19:02] AEnima1579 (n=asdfjkl@c-71-62-151-225.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [19:02] anyone help me understand why this address is IPv6 rather than v4? [19:02] any other host, like foo.alecbridges.com, resolves properly... [19:04] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [19:05] JasonosaJ (n=Jasonosa@pool-72-69-225-228.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:05] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011912]" [19:07] My PATH variable has the current directory "." in it. This makes me a little nervous. Is this slackware 12.2 default? or did I change it on accident? [19:07] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) joined ##slackware. [19:07] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:08] JasonosaJ: I thnk you changed that by accident. [19:09] PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/opt/openoffice.org3/program:.: [19:09] uhm, no, that's normal. slackware always had '.' as the last element in $PATH for normal users [19:09] oh, I'll be damned [19:09] It's even in my path. [19:10] ok, thanks [19:11] ejal (n=ejal@93-173-106-65.bb.netvision.net.il) joined ##slackware. [19:14] hello [19:14] hi [19:15] this is priceless. it's an actual sentence from one of the tickets we received today: '. But I keep fail.' [19:15] hehe [19:15] ananke: reply: "indeed Sir/Madam, you do. ticket closed" [19:16] hehe [19:16] is that even proper english? [19:16] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] i dont have "." in my path [19:16] nachox : not at all [19:16] othermindszine (n=othermin@46.sub-70-192-220.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [19:16] DeeeP : are you root? [19:16] hehe [19:17] yes, shouldnt i have ? [19:17] no, you should not [19:17] nachox: not really. it would either be "I keep failing" or I keep failing at " [19:17] DeeeP : you missed the key piece of information i mentioned earlier: 'normal users' [19:17] do not irc as root, it's dangerous [19:18] is there any known case of being dangerous ? [19:19] DeeeP : yeah, in the past irc clients and scripts would allow attackers to gain access to systems [19:19] acess as what ? root shell ? [19:19] tpollard_ (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] DeeeP : access to systems as the user you're running as. [19:20] do you know how many idiots copy pasted stuff from irc directly into their consoles without thinking and ruined their slackware instalations just because they happened to be using a root account? [19:20] yes. if you have, for example, autoaccept files, I could kill your system right now [19:20] that too [19:20] really thrice` [19:20] yes, really [19:20] only n00bs and morons use root [19:20] sure, send over a .bash_profile that removes / [19:21] or a fork bomb... [19:21] danc3 : i use root every day. [19:21] default download dir is not /root [19:21] i think you meant to say 'irc as root' [19:21] ananke: you know what I mean [19:22] sometimes it is, as /root is the root user's home [19:22] for x-chat it isnt [19:22] ananke, plus we all know he is right and youre a n00b :P [19:22] always /root/.xchat2/ [19:22] and im using quite a while now [19:23] well, theoretically, you'd be kicked upon joining [19:23] theoretically i couldnt be here as im using a registered nickname [19:23] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.13) left irc: "[BX] Have YOU raped a lawn gnome today?" [19:23] i=0@bl8-70-251.dsl.telepac.pt ? [19:24] right, that's my hostname [19:24] more the i=0 part [19:24] right , im running as root [19:24] yes, I meant that the bot should have kicked you for 0@ [19:24] 0 is your uid in your linux which is root's uid [19:24] DeeeP: Which we've all been warning you is a *terrible* idea. [19:25] thrice`: nixor did, slackboy does not. [19:25] we removed that from the bot ages ago [19:25] ok , ill fix it [19:25] Action: thrice` misses the tgz days :( [19:25] hehe, we had bots of every kind [19:28] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) left irc: "leaving" [19:29] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-326388.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:30] DeeeP (i=0@bl8-70-251.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [19:30] DeeeP (i=0@bl8-70-251.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:33] can i lauch as user in X logged as root ? [19:33] launch * [19:34] As root you can do *anything* [19:34] Therein lies the problem. Should something compromise your system while you are logged in as root, it, too, can do anything. [19:34] logging as root, but launching xchat as user [19:34] You could, but it would be better to login to xorg as user [19:34] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:34] and then su to root in a terminal window when you need it. [19:35] ok [19:37] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:37] I like today's quote: Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under live robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good, will torment us without end, for they do so with [19:38] the approval of their own conscience. [19:38]  C.S. Lewis [19:38] CS Lewis - supporter of the biggest tyranny of all. [19:38] ? [19:39] He was a theist. [19:39] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:39] so? most of the world are of one form or another heh [19:41] Nick change: acidchi1d -> acidchild [19:41] hi acidchild [19:44] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.61.116) joined ##slackware. [19:50] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:51] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [19:55] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.74) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:05] r00t_ (i=0@bl8-109-75.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [20:05] DeeeP (i=0@bl8-70-251.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:06] blackorca (n=blackorc@173-100-185-231.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [20:08] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:08] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) left irc: Client Quit [20:08] vmware server is what i want if i wanna play with some virtual machines right? [20:09] or virtualbox [20:09] virtualbox would probably be more up the alley of what you want. [20:09] vmware server 2.0 requires pam [20:09] ah [20:09] virtualbox huh [20:10] slackbuilds.org [20:10] there's a build script [20:10] hmm yes for 12.2 [20:11] im currently using 12.0 [20:11] ill just compile it myself [20:11] uhh [20:11] the build script will probably work just fine on 12.0 [20:11] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:11] kinji (n=kinji@c-76-120-186-220.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:11] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [20:13] kinji (n=kinji@c-76-120-186-220.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:13] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [20:13] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:15] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [20:19] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:22] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:25] Dr_Code (n=Dr_Code@66-190-38-47.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:26] blackorca (n=blackorc@173-100-185-231.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:27] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:30] I used the slackbuilds to install enlightenment. When I try to run startx, I get [20:30] Enlightenment found Evas can't load EET files. Check Evas has EET [20:30] loader support. [20:31] Any suggestions? I tried to compile evas with --enable-image-loader-edb [20:31] without much mileage. [20:33] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleeeeeeeeeeeep" [20:35] tpollard_ (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:35] tpollard_ (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] you've build them all in the exact order? [20:36] othermindszine (n=othermin@46.sub-70-192-220.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:36] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:36] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) joined ##slackware. [20:36] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [20:38] Yes, I had to uninstall ecore, and reinstall the package. For some reason it was shown in KPackage, but when I tried to build edge it said it was not there. [20:39] should I have re-built everything after ecore again? [20:40] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [20:43] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [20:43] JasonosaJ (n=Jasonosa@pool-72-69-225-228.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:44] I think I'll see what SlackE17 works for me [20:44] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [20:47] kpackage .... uhm.. okay lol [20:47] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [20:47] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.135.147) joined ##slackware. [20:48] good `date +%r` [20:48] ejal (n=ejal@93-173-106-65.bb.netvision.net.il) left irc: "Leaving" [20:48] What should I have done? [20:50] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:51] you should read, as was suggested prior :P [20:52] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [20:52] woh, check out these size diffs gnucash-2.2.9 5.0M/lzma 10.0M/tar.gz 7.2M/tar.bz2 ; according to wikip, gnutar handles lzma is that true for Slack 12.1 or 12.2? [20:53] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.89) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [20:54] Dr_Code (n=Dr_Code@66-190-38-47.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:57] do you have lzma installed? [20:59] macavity, no. was looking thru the sources I dont see any patch added to gnutar for it either. maybe I'll check out the 7z for Slack then. [20:59] on 12.1 here now [21:01] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [21:02] Ether_Man (n=polx@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [21:02] Ether_Man_ (n=user@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [21:03] othermindszine (n=othermin@43.sub-70-192-58.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. 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[21:27] im still on -rc5 [21:28] but scew that.. im gonna go with linus' tree from now on [21:28] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.49.80) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:29] macavity, oh? [21:29] linus' tree is "intel drm master" [21:30] and whatever-it-is-intel-drm-next is "origin" [21:30] .. and ive stopped bothering with "origin" patches.. they always bork up [21:30] ah I see [21:31] git master (or "head" depending on project) of the entire stack is the way to go :P [21:31] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [21:31] npad__ (n=nick@pool-173-66-2-167.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [21:31] tntslack (n=will@adsl30-101.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: No route to host [21:33] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:38] JasonosaJ (n=Jasonosa@pool-72-69-225-228.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:11] s/staight/straight/ [22:11] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:12] awesome [22:12] i'm doing the college thing now [22:12] and i watch all these people download ubuntu, etc etc etc [22:12] watch them fail epicly [22:13] install Slackware works out of the box no issues [22:14] what is the 'college' thing, exactly? [22:14] well, except for my sierra wireless card, i would agree with you Rufus :-/ [22:14] jiffypop: what's wrong with it? [22:15] oh [22:15] intel? [22:15] my lack of nix experience, i would say [22:15] thumbs: It's "higher education" [22:15] college is not high education. University is. [22:15] this laptop came preloaded with Mandriva [22:15] Lenovo t500 [22:15] it's a long long story and i don't want to have folks sayin...here he is with his non working aircard again [22:15] thumbs: in the USA, they are often equated [22:15] can't be arsed to install slackware [22:16] NaCl: odd [22:16] jiffypop: what laptop? [22:16] jiffypop: I've used two different ones, and they both worked pretty damn well. [22:16] hashed_ (n=hashed_@ip70-178-108-166.ks.ks.cox.net) left ##slackware. [22:16] sony vaio [22:16] thumbs: They're functionally equivalent. They are also often used as excuses to get very drunk [22:16] it's an older one [22:17] but not so old that slack doesn't know the card's there [22:17] ok if it can see the device [22:17] it's got to be something i'm overlooking in my inexperience but i'm up agaist the wall with this thing [22:17] probably [22:17] who makes it [22:18] sierra [22:18] the aircard [22:18] sierra? [22:18] sierra ac860 [22:18] k give me a sec [22:18] oh, man...i've googled and read and googles and read... [22:18] googled even [22:19] if i wan't so stubborn, i would have given up and went home long ago [22:19] lol [22:19] which i prolly should anyway :-/ [22:19] that means you're a real power user [22:19] i've been doing the same with Solaris 10 and my Intel wireless [22:19] you wanna talk about "fun" [22:20] jiffypop: http://slackware.com/~rworkman/sierra and sierra_chat --- put those in /etc/ppp/peers [22:20] jiffypop: adjust user/pass as needed, and run "pppd call sierra" as root. See what happens. [22:20] i'll definitely try that but man... [22:21] see, i can't get kppp to locate the modem [22:21] jiffypop: you try ndiswrapper? [22:21] it sucks but it works [22:21] jiffypop: who cares? Ignore kppp. :) [22:21] not for my aircard but made it work for my wireless usb [22:21] Rufus: um, this is a broadband card. [22:21] oh [22:22] lol fun fun [22:22] The manufacturer maintains the code in the kernel, no less. :) [22:22] WiMAX? [22:22] roadrunner? [22:22] evil [22:22] can't get my WiMAX working in windows, linux, or solaris [22:22] Sierra Wireless; used by various celular companies (including AT&T and Verizon) [22:22] i can't wait till we are done with VB so i can remove windows completely [22:22] sierra... [22:22] like i say, i'm really out of my league with linux but i'm tryin [22:22] sounds like a soda pop [22:22] man it runs like shit on this laptop [22:23] oh wait it is! [22:23] yea, mine's thru AT&T [22:23] lol mbhayes [22:24] jiffypop: only way you can get good is by doing [22:24] besides if you learn how to do something in slackware [22:24] you can do it in ANY linux [22:24] "if you want to know how to use linux, ask a slckware users." [22:24] not..really [22:25] i'm going up to vandenberg AFB tonight for the satellite rocket launch at 01:50 [22:25] init scripts dont carry...package management doesnt carry.. [22:25] true [22:25] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:25] but you can still figure it out [22:25] eh [22:25] i mean Slackware to Solaris is similar [22:25] kinda like aligators and crocodiles [22:25] i still have trouble with fedora network scripts and I've run Slackware for a long time [22:26] i never liked fedora [22:26] and i used to be a Redhat fanboy [22:26] Rufus, i'll tell ya...i've learned more about linux trying to configure this damn card. that's why i haven't given up [22:26] yeap thats the way it works jiffypop [22:27] but i gotta show my true ignorance and ask a couple questions [22:27] this card is a pcmcia card [22:27] it doesn't show up in lsusb or lspci...is that right? [22:27] really? [22:27] lspci [22:28] it should show up [22:28] if memory serves [22:28] sadly, no [22:28] hmmm [22:28] brb need smoke [22:28] smoke on, brother [22:28] thin i'll have one myself [22:28] think even [22:29] http://www.vandenberg.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123136360 [22:29] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:32] rworkman, my user/pass is blank in my connection manager. is there a generic set i can run with? [22:33] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:33] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:35] i'm googlin [22:45] pirving_ (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:47] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:50] slackmag1c (n=magician@173.74.119.165) joined ##slackware. [22:50] slackmag1c (n=magician@173.74.119.165) left irc: Client Quit [22:50] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [22:52] rworkman, appreciate the heads up. i'm gonna google a couple minutes and the reboot and try that out. thanks and i'll let ya know [22:52] jiffypop (n=jiffypop@166.196.114.130) left irc: "later folks" [22:55] tino27 (n=tino27@cpe-24-93-187-187.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:59] g'nite all [22:59] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.135.147) left ##slackware ("... Jesus paid it all, All to Him I owe; Sin had left a crimson stain, He washed it white as snow."). [23:05] hi folks, i have this error restarting httpd, i installed mod_wsgi http://apache.pastebin.ca/1345513 [23:05] if anyone can help me... thx [23:06] see like structure erro when i compile.... i guess [23:07] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:07] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.122.188) left irc: "leaving" [23:09] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.61.116) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:09] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [23:10] Rufus (n=nathan@NTL208H90-240-21.nt.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:10] All I have to say is, WOW... http://noobfarm.org/?id=1426 [23:10] :D [23:11] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [23:13] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-186-2.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:13] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:14] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:15] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:15] installed gnome slackbuild and firefox went down to 2.0?? [23:15] wtf [23:16] how do I make it go back up to 3.0 i even ran firefox 3 and it still launches 2.0 [23:16] you get what you wanted [23:16] pattwo (n=admin@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] you wanted gnome [23:16] you got it. be happy [23:17] I'm 99% happy, with exception of firefox 2. Im asking why running firefox 3 launches 2 [23:17] did you install the version for slackware 12.2? [23:17] im using 12.1 [23:17] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [23:18] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@actb66.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left ##slackware. [23:19] npad|home: you could investigate this manually [23:19] npad|home: is there some wonky symlinking going on? [23:20] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:20] npad|home: check the /var/log/scripts/ and /var/log/packages/ dirs for the GSB packages and see what is going on [23:21] or just ask Old_Fogie... i think he has the hots for gnomes :P [23:21] who? huh? what? not me no Sir, I didn't even see her :) [23:22] hehe Im checking out the symlinks right now [23:22] also see if anything was put in /etc/profile.d/ [23:23] it could have done some magic to alter PATH or something like that [23:23] npad|home, macavity which app you referring to ? came in late. [23:23] firefox 2 was installed over 3 [23:23] after installing gnome slack [23:23] gsb [23:24] im using 12.1 and someone hinted 12.2 would remedy this [23:24] npad|home: have you tried the easy way? removepkg mozilla-firefox twice, then installpkg ff3 again? [23:25] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:25] I don't know how gsb builds there apps, but it is possible that they used FF2 development libraries in lieu of using xulrunner, and if so, yanking ff2 could lead to a lot fail there. thinks like evolution (your clock) for example will just fail. Im probably confusing more than good, maybe I'll stfu [23:26] O_O [23:26] makes sense :) [23:26] that is just perverted.. [23:26] running firefox 3 in my own sandbox runs firefox 2. weird. [23:26] i really understand why Pat refuses to ship gnome [23:27] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:27] ff2 was same under code base as seamonkey. gnome needs the 'nss' stuff from _some_ mozilla be it xulrunner or firefox, seamonkey doesnt work. many gnome builds used ff2 for the mozilla nss nspr stuff. ff3 is no good to build on, that's why there's xulrunner now in later gnomes. hope that makes sense. if they give you ff2,...I'd _use_ ff2 then after verifying how their buildsystem goes. [23:28] got it [23:28] okay [23:28] I'll accept firefox 2 for now. its just that my history disappeared. [23:28] so another question is, where do they store history? [23:28] or bookmarks, actually [23:29] hi, small question, in the following command: echo "keycode 115 = Escape" | xmodmap - [23:29] look in ~/.mozilla [23:29] probably in some .dir in your ~ [23:29] what's the dash after 'xmodmap' for? [23:29] it might be there...but most likely it's gone npad|home [23:29] Beed: that means "take input from standard input instead of a filename" [23:30] Beed: and | means "connect the standard output of the left hand program, and connect it directly to the standard input of the righthand program" [23:30] _ohm (n=nava@nom20033a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [23:31] Beed: that is how pipes work.. there is actually no "real pipe".. the shell just hotwires the two respective file descriptors [23:31] hmm.. but suppose if I were to put the contents of the file 'file.text' in xmodmap, would I still do "cat file.text | xmodmap -"? .. since the output of cat is stdout as well? [23:31] exactly [23:32] and if you just type "xmodmap -" it will just hang and wait for you to type stuff on the keyboard [23:32] oh? I would think that effect would rather be achieved by "| xmodmap -"? [23:33] zxh (n=red@218.26.164.24) joined ##slackware. [23:33] see my explanation above... bash would bitch at you over that.. there is no left hand command [23:34] ah, okay. just out of curiosity, can you please give an example with pipe, but no dash? :x [23:34] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:34] you cant.. see the manpage for xmodmap [23:34] it explicitly says that the dash option is for signaling input from stdin rather than file [23:35] ah, got it. thanks! [23:37] this is, btw, rather arcane [23:38] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:38] apps can detect if their standard input is connected to another apps' output (at least with a GNU userland) [23:38] but, Xorg components has to work on libc6 systems too [23:39] so, contemporary applications wouldn't requre the dash? that command would work as intended without the dash, yes? [23:39] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [23:39] if it is listed as a requirement in the manpage, then it is needed [23:41] even the GNU coreutils mandate the use of - [23:42] see "info coreutils" -> * Common options [23:42] .. just under -- [23:43] "Unless otherwise specified '-' can appear as any operand that requires a filename" [23:43] dk (n=lima@dk.linuxsecured.net) joined ##slackware. [23:43] anyhow.. time to sleep [23:44] alright, I'll read up more on it, seems interesting -- have a good night :) [23:44] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-186-2.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [23:45] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "...zZzZzZz... .oO(Software Freedom is a Must have)Oo. ...zZzZzZz..." [23:51] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.141.62) left irc: "leaving" [23:52] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.167) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [23:54] jiffypop (n=jiffypop@166.198.106.108) joined ##slackware. [23:56] rworkman, pppd call sierra gives mw this: [23:56] me even [23:57] pppd: In file /etc/ppp/peers/sierra: unrecognized option 'ttyUSB0' [23:57] but i do thank ya. [23:57] i'll play around some more tomorrow night. [23:58] i made my son a nannerpus breakfast this morning [23:58] i'm in philly getting ready to move the daughter of the head of ohio state univ. tomorrow [23:58] sooooo [23:58] if i don't crash, i won't be worth a damn in the morning [00:00] --- Tue Feb 24 2009