[00:01] i got a kernel panic tonight while I was away, what can I do to see what caused it? [00:01] sirscott: what slackware version? [00:02] not slackware, just an old system. someone suggested this channel might know [00:02] it's based on RHEL5.2 [00:03] what does it say? [00:03] sirscott: have you tried #redhat ? [00:04] Action: Cann0n face palms [00:04] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-117.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:04] agentc0re: :blush: can't say that I have [00:04] duh. [00:06] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-144.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [00:06] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [00:07] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:08] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:10] Reticenti: kernel panics can happen from lots of things. dmesg might show something. [00:10] ok, thanks agentc0re [00:10] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:10] Reticenti: i would guess a hardware failure somewhere. [00:11] agentc0re: yeah, i read on a ubuntu forum that his psu was going out and that's what caused his (same error mesg) [00:13] mayday_jay (~mayday_ja@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [00:14] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-167-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:14] confusid (~confusid@c-98-231-191-231.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:14] Hello I'm trying to fix my hd.. dmesg gave me this. http://www.pastebin.org/95693 [00:15] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:16] confusid: ah... a little more information? [00:17] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-162.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:17] agentc0re: would the whole dmesge help? [00:18] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-117.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [00:18] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [00:18] noobish (~efu@c-67-181-57-232.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: [00:18] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-71-191.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [00:18] http://www.pastebin.org/95697 [00:18] wtf are you trying to fix would be nice for starters. [00:18] is it not booting? [00:18] it is not working [00:19] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=468800 [00:19] does not mount.. I only have the error from dmesge [00:19] confusid: have you tried fsck'ing it after booting from a slackware cd/dvd ? [00:21] yes [00:21] it was working then after a new install it is erroring [00:21] you may want to check the link I provided. there was a kernel bug that can cause that on some chipsets [00:22] O.o [00:22] google is your friend [00:22] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:22] andarius: about 1/2 way threw the link :) [00:24] seems some seagate drives have that issue whith NCQ as well [00:27] from what you said I gather it worked through an install. that would lead me to think it is related to the module the post-install kernel is using for the drive/controller. perhaps a custom kernel (more recent) or a generic and blacklist the module in question [00:27] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:30] andarius: thank you [00:30] agentc0re: solution to my problem was /etc/security/console.perms.d/50-default.perms [00:30] agentc0re: thx for the pointer to RH [00:31] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [00:34] sirscott: sure, anytime. :D [00:34] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-167-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:34] askhader (askhader@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) left ##slackware. [00:34] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:35] confusid: yw [00:36] Anyone ever seen a "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" message on boot? I notice my USB mouse and keyboard lights turn off during boot and usually turn back on but sometimes they never come back. any ideas? [00:36] tuvok302Lappy (~Nancy@clgrtnt5-port-45.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:37] init[1]|CU (~d2d4e922@gateway/web/freenode/x-vzqjdrqbmkcpscic) joined ##slackware. [00:37] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:37] Does anyone uses dwm on slackware? [00:38] hey i'm trying out this trick , don't know if this would work out, i'm trying a split desktop with VNC have any one tried yet? [00:38] well it would be much cheaper with vnc than a HW solution :) [00:43] confusid (~confusid@c-98-231-191-231.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:43] init[1]|CU: split desktop with vnc? so you have one machine and you want two X sessions? [00:44] init[1]|CU: or you have two machines but only one monitor? [00:45] agentc0re: i thave two machines , both having X , problem is both monitors are 1024x768 res and i'm doing devlopment on one . i would like to comibe both the monitors. [00:46] init[1]|CU: checkout synergy :D [00:46] agentc0re: sample experience would be if i drag a window i would be able to see it on other ;) [00:46] sirscott (scott@c-71-229-182-62.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [00:46] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [00:46] agentc0re: ah ! [00:46] agentc0re: i'm checking taht [00:47] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [00:47] omg! synergy ,wow and GNU \o/ [00:48] agentc0re: thank you :) [00:48] init[1]|CU: np. it's quite awesome, i've used it in the past. [00:49] yea ,i wanted that really , i knew it was possible :P ,was just seaching for right pointer :) [00:56] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:56] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:58] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:01] i like meaty girls [01:02] yeah [01:02] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [01:02] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [01:05] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:06] and skinny bows [01:06] boys fs [01:06] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-61-226.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:06] lol [01:07] Axius (~fd@92.84.23.11) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:07] SotnedSlacker (1000@cpe-024-074-031-162.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:08] Nick change: SotnedSlacker -> StonedSlacker [01:08] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:10] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [01:10] So, I'm trying Slamd64 and I cant install any of the packages on the cd because they are txz and not tgz. WTF? I'm starting to think I should just go with Slack 13.0 again. I mean what's the draw for Slamd64? Why is it preferable to regular Slackware? I don't get it. [01:11] which slamd64 version? [01:11] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:12] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:13] 12.1 I think. I thought it was the latest version [01:14] well for 1) 12.1 is not the latest 2) 12.1 doesn't support txz packages. [01:14] and read "doesn't support" as: does not use it. [01:14] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:14] veritos (~veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Client Quit [01:15] Shit. I wanted the latest. Lemme look on the site again and see if I can tell why I thought that was the latest [01:15] which site exactly? [01:15] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:15] The slamd site [01:15] slackware has an official 64 bit version now [01:16] andarius: Yeah I've used it, with great success [01:16] hence slamd has sort of stalled [01:16] er so why do you want slamd? [01:17] okay, that tells me what I needed to know. So Slamd was just standing in as a 64 bit version before an official release was made. [01:17] If only packages would actually default to lib64 like the standard says, so that we could simplify our SlackBuilds [01:17] I thought Slamd was something special. I like trying distros too. [01:17] Well, I guess I'm doing another freakin install tonight. [01:17] Jeez [01:18] StonedSlacker: it was, and it was. from what I know the slamd devel helped with slack64 I beleive [01:18] still plenty out there to try though ;) [01:18] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [01:19] I will keep trying them too, andarius. I need to get my 'daily driver' set back up, though. I prefer a slackware flavor for that. I'm gonna get this shit straightened out and I'll hit you guys later. Thanks again. [01:20] StonedSlacker (1000@cpe-024-074-031-162.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:20] alienBOB, any chance that Emacs 23.1 will make it into the next release? [01:20] he's going to hit us? :-( [01:20] s/us/up on us/ [01:22] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-216-120.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [01:22] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Crunch 'n Munch, I did munch [01:25] macius (~macius@i209-195-80-163.cia.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:25] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) left irc: Quit: Gone Indefinitely [01:31] Reaver2 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. 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[01:44] slackware is my prefered choice of distro... [01:45] you *could* do it, but I don't really see the benefit given how much trouble it would be [01:45] i've done it before with debian and centos [01:45] i've written my own manual for the latest debian in fact [01:46] using a combination of debootstrap and a new manual [01:47] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-172.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:47] essentially, you would be removing every package on the system and replacing it with the Slackware equivalent, and then trying to swap kernel and glibc and praying the system comes back properly when you reboot [01:48] sitwon, can't I nuke the bootloader so it boots an install into the ram of the internet upon next reboot. That's how my centos and debian methods work [01:48] Axius (~fd@92.84.23.11) joined ##slackware. [01:48] This is the prefered method of reinstall for dedicated servers on the internet.. [01:49] so you dont have to pay some data centre techie to come and do the install unless something goes wrong [01:49] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:49] sluxor, can you PXE boot the machine by chance? [01:49] if so, then when it boots you can make it start dropbear, a small SSH server, and then install. [01:50] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) joined ##slackware. [01:50] well if by PXEboot you mean boot a network install but tell it to use a static ip etc.. [01:50] then yeh [01:51] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-162.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [01:51] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [01:55] sluxor, PXE is over DHCP [01:55] mm yeh i thought you ment that.. so no i cant [01:55] because its a machine connected directly to the internet [01:56] i'd prefer a method where it boots the install of the internet with a pre-set static IP [01:56] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:57] hyakutake (~hyakutake@bl5-119-156.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [01:58] sluxor, could you set up a minimal DHCP server config? if it sees the MAC of the machine that we're talking about, then it gives it the static IP that we're talking about. [01:59] sluxor, if that's not feasible, then you'll have to get a datacenter monkey to put a CD in [01:59] Reaver2 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [01:59] are you sure i cant use one of these methods? [01:59] http://slackbasics.org/html/custom-installation.html#getstarted-custominstall-script [01:59] http://www.mutagenix.org/pxe_kickstart/index.php [02:00] getting the data centre monkeys to do anything costs money [02:00] That first method looks promising. I take it that the machine has GRUB currently? [02:00] yep [02:01] Sweet. Should be easy to get that initrd booted then [02:01] i take it if i write the complete install script [02:01] and make grub execute it [02:01] that it just might do the trick and that in like an hour or so i can log in to a slackware server [02:01] lol [02:01] pretty much [02:03] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. 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[02:25] sluxor (~sluxor@ppp174-87.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:25] haqe17_ (~csujbc@joshua.dcs.warwick.ac.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:30] i think i moved in about 5 years ago [02:30] (slackware on the same machine with continual updates :-) [02:30] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:31] Can anyone link to an example fstab where uid is used instead of /dev/xxx also how to use the users option so I can give myself all the nifty privileges. I can't remember the correct format [02:32] haqe17 (~csujbc@joshua.dcs.warwick.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:33] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:42] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [02:42] StonedSlacker: perhaps reading 'man mount' would help [02:44] kop (~kop@c-24-18-172-99.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:44] Emeau (~emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-75-240.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[02:57] latemus (~m@c-76-27-42-241.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:57] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:59] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [03:02] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [03:02] doomey (~doomey@188.24.10.68) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [03:04] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:04] Anyone know if it's possible to remove the suspend to ram/disk options on the KDE shutdown menu? I keep accidently clicking them :) [03:06] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-63-58.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:06] kop (~kop@c-24-18-172-99.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] wertik_rus (~mirggi@95-26-63-58.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:08] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:09] Wescotte, recompile the kernel leaving out support for suspend perhaps :-) [03:13] wertik_rus (~mirggi@95-26-63-58.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: [03:15] Axius (~fd@92.84.23.11) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:18] just change kdm theme/options ? [03:18] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:19] night guys [03:19] Rat409 (rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.1.1"). [03:23] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-170.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:26] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:27] kslen^^ (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [03:28] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [03:31] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:31] Nick change: kslen^^ -> kslen [03:32] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:34] slava_dp: looking to just remove the menu option :) [03:34] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [03:35] dammit, nobody can link to a fstab that uses the UUID for the device and sets the 'users' option for a specific uid? Every way I try to write it it fails and the only examples I can find online are just the regular /dev/xxx /mnt/thespot kinda stuff. [03:36] StonedSlacker: just wondering but what does the UUID get you? when the /dev/sd# changes frequently? [03:36] Wescotte, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/disable-suspendsleephibernatewhatever-you-call-it-702553/ [03:37] i THOUGHT uuid WAS CONSTANT? [03:37] Whoops, caps lock [03:38] I need a constant id because the sd names change [03:38] It remained constant on my previous install but I cant remember how I had fstab worded [03:38] StonedSlacker: yeah that's what I was asking.. you prefer to use a uuid because the sd name changes.. I JUSt ran into this problem myself today but didn't know there was alternatives like this.. I just updated my fstab accordly.. [03:39] StonedSlacker: can you use the uuid in lilo and with initrd? [03:39] Using UUID worked beautifully [03:39] I don't see why not [03:39] StonedSlacker: uh can you just use /dev/disk-by-uuid/uuidvalue? [03:40] StonedSlacker: they have symlinks to the various /dev/sd#s [03:40] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [03:40] I know the line is fstab should be, roughly, like this [03:40] UUID="eea2a6b8-9493-4013-9757-8a62e1b5e916" /mass-storage ext3 uid=1000 0 0 [03:40] But I cant get it to work [03:41] you try /dev/disk-by-uuid/uuid? [03:41] how can i add a new keyboard layout in slackware? [03:41] i have EN and i want ES and FR too [03:41] slava_dp: hmm doesn't look like a good solution but thanks for the link [03:42] No, I know the first part is right. It knows the disk I'm talking about it's the options I'm screwing up, particularly the uid=1000 option that gives me read/write privs [03:42] StonedSlacker: those options aren't the same for any device? [03:43] Wescotte: As root type blkid in a terminal and it'll give you all kinds of good names for fstab that don't change. [03:43] Wescotte: I suppose they are. [03:44] StonedSlacker: so just use the same options pointing to the proper uuid device name? [03:44] or maybe I'm just missing something.. [03:44] please [03:45] Azeotrope: Sorry, I have no idea how to do that.. [03:45] ok [03:45] I don't know how to do that even. I know how to use the option users but I dont know how to make it apply to ine user, me. [03:45] Azeotrope: hang around somebody will be able to help [03:45] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:45] one* user [03:45] StonedSlacker: so you want a single user to have access to a drive? [03:46] back in ubuntu i had /etc/ini.d/networking or tor or sshd. where do i have those in slack. i cannot find em in rc.d [03:46] Azeotrope: /etc/rc.d [03:47] Wescotte, how come? /usr/bin/pm-is-supported is the solution. [03:47] Azeotrope, which desktop are you using? In kde you can other layouts very easy in options I think, but it's harder in other desktops. [03:47] Azeotrope: oh whoops misread.. /etc/rc.d/inet1.conf is probably what you want for netwroking [03:48] Azeotrope: /etc/rc.d/sshd but tor isn't in slack by default.. [03:48] Wescotte: No, I just dont want to have to be root everytime I want to write to the drive [03:48] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:48] StonedSlacker: NTFS partition? [03:48] I'll figure it out at some point then paste my results here so you can see what I mean [03:48] Wescotte: ext3 [03:49] Wescotte: I installed tor from slackbuilds but i can't find it [03:49] Azeotrope: more /var/log/packages/torslackbuildfilename [03:49] Azeotrope: that'll tell you what and where things were installed [03:50] Azeotrope, 'chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.tor' then '/etc/rc.d/rc.tor start' [03:50] StonedSlacker: settings chown -R root:users /mount_point doesn't work for what you need? [03:51] Wescotte: Yes that works but it's the wrong way. That's how I have did for a long time and it just isn't right [03:52] dive: you saved me again [03:52] StonedSlacker: Sorry I can't help.. never really put anything in my fstab.. always mount manually or toss in rc.local.. [03:52] thanks [03:52] you're welcome [03:52] Wescotte: np [03:52] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [03:53] StonedSlacker, do I understand you correct - you have a hdd with ext3 mounted and you can't write to it as user? [03:53] Action: dive scrolls up [03:55] ok uuid [03:55] Not used it myself. [03:55] dive: Yes. I can chown or chmod it but I want fstab set up correctly. I have several usb drives and one sata with 6 partitions. I want them all to be mounted in specific spots with write privs for me as a user. [03:56] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:56] http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/321/fstab-with-uuid/ <- seen this? [03:56] I had it working perfect in debian but I cant remember how I had fstab worded. Now the error I'm getting is bed FS type [03:57] does anyone have any idea on how to read Yahoo Messenger archive (.dat files) [03:57] and how to make each file a plaintext .txt [03:58] uhh, yahoo messenger [03:59] Azeotrope, run this with wine, or whatever.... http://www.ghacks.net/2009/07/13/yahoo-messenger-dat-file-access/ [04:00] slava_dp: thanks, but i have that in virtualbox [04:00] you can't mass export in it [04:00] Action: slava_dp wanders off [04:04] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.17.130) joined ##slackware. [04:04] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) left irc: Quit: Reconnecting [04:05] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) joined ##slackware. [04:05] StonedSlacker, in that link I posted someone else had problems with hhd errors after setting UUID. After resetting back the old /dev/sd notation in booted fine. [04:06] Emeau-cat (~Emeau-cat@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. 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[04:14] sorry defaults [04:14] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Quit: reboot [04:17] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [04:17] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:18] zmyrgel (~zmyrgel@hoasnet-fe22dd00-59.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [04:18] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [04:32] Everything is beautiful again. The partitions I want on my 1TB sata are mounting where I want with user read/write and my phone mounts under phone by itself. Life in Slackland is good [04:33] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.24.74) joined ##slackware. [04:34] Thanks for the help fellers [04:34] Morn [04:34] StonedSlacker (1000@cpe-024-074-031-049.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:34] morning Zordrak [04:35] Newm fibre being installed today :) [04:35] wont be active today i dont think.. but installation is most of the job :) [04:36] Yeah nice one [04:37] 20meg up, 20meg down uncontended :D [04:38] how much do you guys pay for a 20 meg fiber? [04:41] nvision (~nvision@e179128036.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [04:41] £850 [04:41] thats GBP [04:41] per month [04:48] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:50] HellDragon_ (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [04:50] HellDragon_ (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [04:50] HellDragon_ (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. 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[05:14] ptchaw [05:14] on Win7 [05:15] *shrug* no referrer or anything.. just a direct req for the page from his IP [05:18] aaaahhhhh... i posted about it in a symantec forum post.. thats why... durrr [05:19] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:21] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-54-204.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [05:22] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.214.186) joined ##slackware. [05:22] well lol :-) [05:22] no shit.. hes actually one of the NetBackup Product Managers [05:28] wolven (~wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [05:29] josteint (~josteint@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [05:29] AcEg33k (~prashant@122.172.35.121) joined ##slackware. [05:30] hi. how do I change keyboard layout in X for slackware 13? I am using fluxox [05:30] fluxbox [05:30] xorgconfig does not exist... [05:30] josteint: http://blog.tpa.me.uk?s=xorg [05:30] josteint: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/?s=xorg [05:31] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-420457.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:32] (3rd Result) [05:32] TheNexT (thenext@c-68-81-156-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:34] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:36] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [05:36] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [05:37] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [05:38] josteint, if you need an xorg.conf (if you *really* need it), one can be generated by running "X -configure" as root, and will be saved in /root. 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[07:00] fisherman: until pat decides to drop it [07:00] and the only type of updates it will receive until then are ones related to security [07:01] fisherman: chances are that it will be supported for awhile. 8.1 is still receiving security fixes [although i don't know for how much longer] [07:01] ananke: what is average time of support for one release? [07:02] ananke: tnx. [07:04] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [07:05] Wertik (~mirggi@95-26-63-58.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:05] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-63-58.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:05] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [07:10] Wertik (~mirggi@95-26-63-58.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: [07:11] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.214.186) joined ##slackware. [07:13] joannis (~joannis@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) joined ##slackware. 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[07:20] fisherman (~5d56b154@gateway/web/freenode/x-hnszcxsnkrpxxjgj) left irc: Quit: Page closed [07:20] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Client Quit [07:20] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:21] hmm.. how can I disable tty's and still get x to start in tty7? if I comment out all the one in /etc/inittab it wont work. but I add tty7 and then I can login on tty7, but then x starts in tty2 and im just as far.. how can I login and make x start on tty7? im running startx and dont want anyone to be able to switch to the login tty and kill my x session [07:22] Kowalczyk: boot to runlevel 4 [07:22] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:23] im not gonna have a kdm / gdm session:) wanna start x from startx [07:24] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [07:24] Action: slackie hi there \o [07:24] other_rafa (rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:25] so alienBOB. want to startx from comamnd line but still not be able to switch tty. but maybe it cant be done? [07:25] Indeed [07:26] indeed that it cant be done, or indeed that it can be done?:) [07:27] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:27] mohaa (~nome@92.49.76.207) joined ##slackware. [07:27] i recall a NoVTSwitch option for xorg.conf. maybe use that. [07:28] Kowalczyk, ^^ [07:28] slava_dp: :P [07:28] I will take a look at it :) [07:28] if you are doing a kiosk, you can startx directly from init. [07:29] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [07:29] without spawning any gettys. [07:29] slava_dp: im not. its my desktop at work :) [07:29] means I have to lock it everytime I leave [07:29] okay. [07:30] and xlock is not helping since you can just switch tty :P [07:32] maybe I just go for slim login managed then, but doh.. [07:33] I like more to login to terminal and startx .hmm [07:33] what will be the point of console login when you won't be able to switch back to that console? [07:33] so install slim and use runlevel 4. [07:34] im not that fond of graphical login. or rather I hate it:) [07:35] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) joined ##slackware. [07:35] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) left irc: Changing host [07:35] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [07:37] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [07:39] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [07:42] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:42] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [07:46] do you know any docking app for slackware / kde? [07:46] i used avant but on kde has some missing functions [07:46] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-420457.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [07:47] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:47] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-420457.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:47] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [07:48] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:48] Azeotrope, ksmoothdock? [07:49] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [07:49] dive, i can't find thunderbird on slackbuilds [07:49] thunderbird comes with slack that's why [07:49] oh [07:50] slackbuilds only have apps that aren't in the official package set [07:50] i managed to get some of the smooth compiz effects just by using kwin tweaking [07:50] one minus is that i still cant zoom desktop by using META+scroll [07:50] just META++ / META+- [07:54] mohaa (~nome@92.49.76.207) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:55] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:56] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:56] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [08:01] how can i see what version of kde i have? [08:01] kde-config --version [08:02] or kde4-config --version :-F [08:03] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [08:08] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-74-217.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:08] Bugz__ (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-79-163.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [08:09] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [08:09] won't work with kde-config [08:09] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-74-217.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [08:10] i get this error when i try to compile a kde app http://pastebin.org/95856 [08:13] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [08:13] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-79-163.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [08:14] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-209-222.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:14] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:19] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:20] Azeotrope: what app, what slackware version? [08:20] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-65-110.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:20] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-157-21.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:20] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [08:20] v4nelle (~van@79.103.136.171.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:20] Azeotrope, it's looking for kde3.x. You need to check configure --help to tell it to look for kde 4 [08:21] unless it's an old app [08:24] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [08:26] dive, it's ksmoothdeck [08:27] hmm [08:27] pprkut: slackware64 13.0, ksmoothdeck [08:28] I don't it works on kde4 [08:28] I just had a look [08:28] Kiboney (~Kiboney@cpe-72-227-159-249.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:28] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [08:28] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [08:28] hi all [08:28] Depends on: KDE 3.2.x [08:29] my slackware seems kinda sluggish... [08:30] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [08:31] dive: and how do i change it? [08:31] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-214-97.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [08:34] Busindre (~Busindre@unaffiliated/busi) joined ##slackware. [08:34] Busindre (Busindre@unaffiliated/busi) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:38] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [08:38] alienBOB, must i install /kde before installing kde 4.4?or not [08:39] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Quit: Elektro [08:42] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [08:43] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [08:44] v4nelle: no [08:45] If you have an older KDE that will be replaced. If you have no KDE then that's OK too v4nelle [08:45] then,i need only your packages....thx BoB [08:51] juice (1000@67.48.16.231) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:51] except you want amarok, kdevelop or ktorrent [08:52] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-157-21.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:52] or k3b [08:52] (or I'm not uptodate) [08:53] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-131-48.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:53] pprkut: correct [08:55] Axius (~fd@92.84.8.25) joined ##slackware. [08:55] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [08:58] josteint (~josteint@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [09:00] hi. i notice that the mercurial version included in slackware 13 is 1.2.1. that is an old version, and it does not support sub repository. using slackpkg upgrade to current does not seem to upgrade mercurial. is the latest version in current really 1.2.1 still? [09:00] yes [09:01] i can only assume its not high on anyone's list cause mercurial sucks :) [09:01] in situations like that, what you do is download the souce and install it [09:01] ok. i will do that [09:01] a distro is only a starting point [09:01] thank you [09:01] no [09:01] wait [09:02] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:02] josteint: apparently nobody ever asks for a version upgrade - but you can send an email to Pat asking for a newer mercurial, and why [09:02] josteint: if you want to upgrade yourself dont just do a manual install [09:03] josteint: you can use the build script provided with slackware and tweak it to meet your needs in order to create a new package for newer mercurial [09:03] wouldn't it be better to ge teh mercurial package source from slack and update for thte new version [09:03] vs just installing it form source bare? [09:03] josteint: this will allow clean upgrades in future [09:03] hackedhead: ^^ [09:03] Zordrak: =] [09:03] yes [09:04] josteint: /slackware-13.0/source/d/mercurial [09:04] well considering he's upgrading because its not otherwise maintained, i don't think future upgrades are an issue [09:04] Skywise: ? [09:04] Skywise: what? [09:04] and more then likely upgrading in the future will downgrade his install to the previous versions [09:04] mayday_jay (~mayday_ja@control-console.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:04] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ...! [09:04] josteint: its such a simple script that i would think all you need to do is change the version number and it will be fine [09:05] Skywise: and what if he wants to update hsi version later to an even newer version on his own? [09:05] Skywise: what if *he* wants to upgrade in future? [09:05] Zordrak: =PPPPP [09:05] Skywise: or what if Pat, at his requests, releases official versions? [09:05] well unless he does it himself, it won't work right [09:05] yeah thats gonna happen [09:05] Skywise: but if he does a bare install, he won't even be able to do it cleanly [09:06] or, nearly as cleanly [09:06] i'm sure he'll be doing his upgrades as needed [09:06] Skywise: bottom line.. suggesting a manual install of something theres a script for is bad advice and should not be given [09:06] nah [09:06] its really not a problem [09:07] it's not a problem if the person doing it knows what he is doing, which is rarely the case [09:07] all my installs are custom, i upgrade all my packages [09:07] Azeotrope, I don't ksmoothdock works with the new plasma desktop. There may some options you can in ./configure but it's doubtful. [09:07] yeah, but if he could count on support in slack then he wouldn't be in that situation [09:07] Skywise: good for you.. but dont tell others to do it when a build script exists [09:07] and its not really so hard [09:07] its just a bunch of flags [09:08] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [09:08] you can copy them without a script as well [09:08] Skywise: he came here for support and has been given easy instructions for a VERY simple procedure.. what more do youwant? [09:08] but its not like making it from the package makes it sacrosanct [09:08] but less errorprone [09:08] i prefer people understand what they're trying to do rather then looking for someone else making them a button to push [09:08] Skywise: whether manually or with the script the point is that it should be made into a package and *then* installed [09:09] its not like it takes a phd to understand ./configure [09:09] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-188.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:10] pakages are useful if you're going to be distributing the software [09:10] but its hardly necessary [09:10] hi [09:11] removepkg and make uninstall have nearly the same level of difficulty [09:11] mhm [09:11] Skywise: you have no idea what he planned to do it with or how many machines or anything else.. he just needed to be told the *right* way to *simply* do an upgrade. Telling him to go manually configure and install is why people get put off.. you might as well tell him to just go geh gentoo instead [09:11] Skywise: provided there is a make uninstall, and the source directory is still present [09:11] Skywise: IFF you still have the source directory.. [09:11] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.31) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [09:11] -.- [09:11] what i miss [09:11] its really not so dire [09:12] its the end of the world if you don't use pakages apparently [09:12] well it is [09:12] oh [09:12] my bad [09:12] /var/log/packages/ is there for a reason [09:12] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:12] people are used to using packages [09:12] Skywise: no, but it's bad to assume everyone knows the pitfalls [09:12] Skywise: you have choice.. you may make whatever decision you choose and do things however you want to.. but just because you want to wipe your ass with sandpaper it doesnt mean thats the advice you should be giving everyone else [09:12] wow [09:12] mmmm sandpaper [09:13] yeah, i'm still working on that one [09:13] i'm installing eclipse :D [09:13] oh noes [09:13] why?? [09:13] sec0nd: poor soul [09:13] don't do it, you might have to make a choice [09:13] or worse yet, read the README [09:13] you could be educated, don't risk it [09:13] the README's probably written in java [09:14] Skywise: you have totally missed the point [09:14] hopefully [09:14] Zordrak: I think he's secretly running LFS. Or trying to... [09:14] pprkut: mmhmm