[00:01] hey, what packages do i need to have my xterm fonts work normally? [00:01] i'm getting "" instead of " and "" instead of * [00:01] Will this snddevices script work? http://www.linuxplusvalue.be/download/snddevices [00:02] hba: yea, I've got like 12 pages bookmarked including that one ;) One quick question, did you have to pass any special parameters on boot because of the sata drive? [00:03] rAWjAW: nah, nothing. The kernel detects correctly my hd. [00:04] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.97.138) left irc: "leaving" [00:04] Even better! This is my weekend project, so hopefully it all goes well [00:05] dhex__ (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:05] rAWjAW (n=rAWjAW@unaffiliated/rawjaw) left irc: "Leaving." [00:06] dhex__ (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [00:09] im sorr to ask this again as Im petty sure ive asked t a few times,but what is te command to indout if ihave a certain pp installed? [00:09] s/sorr/sory [00:10] pp? [00:10] app [00:11] ls /var/log/packages/app [00:11] Okay, i like how I can use thunar to mount my usb drive when I plug it in, because of HAL [00:11] But, how do I do it in the command line? [00:11] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-139-115.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:11] Instead of right clicking and choosing "mount" [00:11] it's just like any other disk [00:11] I set up my fstab right and do 'mount' [00:11] mount -a [00:11] or mount? [00:12] if you want to automount a USB disk use a UUID in fstab [00:12] well, right for me - I'm pretty sure it's wrong these days :) [00:12] that way it doesn't matter how many or how they detect [00:12] sorry.. trying to type tis from work using x11vnc forwarding my xsession to work from home.screensaver comes on every 4 econds for some reason [00:13] slakmagik: hanx [00:13] *thanx [00:13] exo-mount can do that w/o an fstab entry. [00:14] Ohh...is that what xfce uses? [00:14] e.g. exo-mount -d /dev/sda1 [00:14] yes [00:15] vinnie_: np [00:15] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-139-115.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [00:16] dhex (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:17] edman007: Shutting down and then starting didn't solve the sound issue. I also found and ran a snddevices script per the ALSA troubleshooting page which created a whole bunch of stuff in /dev/snd/ and after the restart they are all gone again. [00:19] hello, ldconfig is failing to recognize shared libraries in /usr/local/lib [00:20] is /usr/local/lib in ld.so.conf? [00:20] probably not [00:20] Dominian: yes [00:20] and what is it failing to see? [00:20] several libraries i compiled that are there [00:21] and how do you know it can't see them...? [00:21] ldconfig -v does not list them. nor does the app that requires them find them [00:21] show pastebin of a ldd of the binary and a ls of the lib [00:22] I typed: exo-mount -u /dev/sdc [00:22] and I got exo-mount: Must specify HAL device UDI or device file. [00:22] ?? [00:22] Where is the device file? [00:22] tank-man: this is the problem lib: libdnet.1 => not found [00:22] redtricycle: exo-mount -d /dev/sdc [00:23] exo-mount --help [00:23] tank-man: which is /usr/local/lib/libdnet.1 > libdnet.1.0.1 [00:23] ‰And, to *umount*? [00:23] unmount, rather? [00:23] exo-mount --help [00:23] :) [00:23] Heya rworkman [00:23] Ohh..exo-mount -u -d /dev/sdc [00:24] tank-man: libdnet is completely missing from ldconfig -v output. i only see a line like: /usr/local/lib: nothing follows it [00:24] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:25] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:25] and libdnet.1.0.1 exists? [00:25] tank-man: yep [00:26] aetheria: pkg-config --variable=libdir libdnet [00:26] maybe someone divided by 0 somewhere :) [00:26] im out of suggestions [00:26] .g 73 c to f [00:26] ..fail [00:26] Oh, wrong channel [00:27] fail * 2 [00:27] dhex_ (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:27] rworkman, yeah. [00:27] tank-man: i have no pkg-config [00:28] tank-man: here is the paste FYI: http://pastebin.ca/1316068 [00:28] i truncated ldconfig -v output since the last part was irrelevant [00:28] tank-man: installing pkg-config [00:29] tank-man: it ran with no output [00:29] whers the "ls" output? [00:29] tank-man: 1 sec [00:30] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:30] ok: > http://pastebin.ca/index.php [00:30] oops [00:30] http://pastebin.ca/1316069 [00:31] wamaral (i=1000@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "..(cyp): BitchX: it makes bathtime lots of fun!" [00:31] FYI, I even compiled snort with the --with-dnet-libraries=/usr/local/lib option, although i thought that was only for compiling purposes [00:31] aetheria: pkg-config is irrelevant, so you can ignore it. I hadn't read the whole story yet, so I thought you were getting compile errors. 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[00:34] I'm not sure what's going on there :/ [00:34] nothing's showing up from in there, not the pcap libs, libnet, nor libdnet [00:34] You might try an strace of snort and see if anything jumps out [00:35] rworkman: see http://pastebin.ca/1316069 for the ldconfig issue [00:35] i googled "snort libdnet" and second hit was a comment of same problem and was solved by installing the libs in /usr/lib not local [00:35] ugh [00:35] /lib [00:36] That shouldn't be needed though. [00:36] soundss like voodoo [00:36] aetheria, what does `file /usr/local/lib/libdnet.1` say? [00:36] I'd like to see strace output; do strace /usr/local/bin/snort 2>/snort.strace.log and put that in pastebin [00:36] what about `ldd /usr/local/lib/libdnet.1` [00:37] libdnet.1: symbolic link to `libdnet.1.0.1' [00:37] ldd $(readlink /usr/local/lib/libdnet.1) [00:37] rworkman, ldd does not need that, file does if you want it [00:38] rworkman: linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) \n libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0xb7e39000) \n /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x80000000) [00:38] yeah, I'm looking at file ouptut :/ [00:38] aetheria, that is for that lib? [00:38] edman007: yes [00:39] aetheria, then do `LD_LIBRARY_PATH="$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/local/lib" snort` [00:39] does it work? [00:39] and what is the exact error snort gives you? [00:40] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [00:40] edman007: ok now it appears to run (fails because of config issue...) [00:41] interesting... [00:42] appears to run correctly with correct config options [00:42] back in 5 [00:49] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:49] hba (n=hba@189.188.154.178) left irc: "leaving" [00:49] dhex (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [00:49] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:50] nullboy (n=nullboy@97-94-107-72.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:52] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:55] what's the consensus? [00:55] snort has a hardwired LD_LIBRARY_PATH? [00:59] bigpaws (n=karl@plns-64-111-131-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [01:01] i hate that [01:02] it's like saying you aren't allowed to change the position of the seat in your car without permission [01:02] well, permission/tools [01:03] aetheria, does /usr/lib/libdnet.* or /lib/libdnet.* exist? [01:04] otherwise, pastebin your ld.so.conf [01:04] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:04] edman007: no, they are custom-compiled and in /usr/local/lib [01:04] edman007: i've been through that. scroll up to see the pastebin link if you like [01:04] P4C0 (n=pcuser@190.141.76.51) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:05] aetheria, i said look [01:05] that might be the issue, you may have something broken in those other folders [01:05] edman007: ah [01:05] from a previous/failed build [01:06] and i only see ldconfig outputs, i said paste the config [01:06] edman007: no, they are clean [01:06] and the config? [01:07] ld.so.conf: /usr/local/lib \n /usr/i486-slackware-linux/lib [01:08] dhex__ (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:09] has anyone else ever forgotten that a man page was up somewhere and freaked out for a few seconds when you ran ps aux [01:09] Action: edman007 does not do `ps aux` [01:10] `ps -ef` FTW! [01:10] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:10] or ps -A [01:10] never aux [01:10] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:10] and how would the man page affect that? [01:11] see, we're just not looking at this the same way [01:12] lol [01:12] look at it my way, its better [01:16] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [01:19] nybody know why slack12.1 has no php crypt module? [01:21] Action: edman007 always compiles his own php anyways [01:21] Packeteer, you sure its not there? [01:21] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@default-ip-teleglobe.shellfusion.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:22] dhex_ (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [01:22] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:23] edman007: yeah, not mentioned in php.ini and my app complains about it missing [01:24] Packeteer, try adding it to the php.ini... [01:24] good idea [01:24] i was checking Pat's build script [01:24] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@206.53.49.137) joined ##slackware. [01:25] no mention of it [01:25] i'll try edit the ini file [01:25] else i'll have to rebuild the package [01:27] yup, and its looking for mcrypt, not crypt right? [01:27] and the extension doesn't exist in /usr/lib/php/extensions/ [01:28] yes the app is looking for mcrypt [01:28] hmm... [01:28] well on my system i always build php myself with a whole crapload of stuff and all compiled in :) [01:29] heh [01:31] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:32] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-122-32-36.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:33] Packeteer: well i just looked at the output of phpinfo() and didnt see anything about crypt, but nonetheless this worked --> echo crypt("encrypt this string"); [01:35] SiegeX, crypt!=mcrypt [01:35] crypt() is a simple unix hash, and is no longer secure, mcrypt is a lib that contains many encryption and hash extensions [01:37] mordy (n=mordy@pool-68-160-229-181.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:37] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-139-115.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:38] Let's see if installpkg *font*.tgz in a local mirror's x diskset will fix my priter problems. [01:41] dhex (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:47] Packeteer: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/libmcrypt/ [01:49] spook__ (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:50] edman007: any further ideas? [01:50] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [01:51] anyhow, gotta run. [01:55] saivin (n=saivin@122.167.66.76) joined ##slackware. [01:56] hi, I'm running slackware 12.1 with fluxbox. I'm not able to browse internet. [01:57] fluxbox has relevance how? [01:57] neither with firefox nor with lynx. But I'm connected as you can see... [01:58] no relevance i guess. [01:58] google, "how to ask questions" [01:59] but to do that i should be able to browse net right :) [01:59] saivin: can you ping yahoo.com [01:59] can you also ping 206.13.29.12 [01:59] i did ping -c 3 www.google.com and it pinged [02:01] saivin (n=saivin@122.167.66.76) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:04] Rat409: already done, rebuilding php now. cheers [02:04] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:05] clyphox (n=human@82.45.239.218) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:06] spook_ (n=spook@2002:ca59:a790:0:0:0:0:1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:07] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-139-115.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [02:09] edman007: Just thought I would let you know that even after help at #alsa, I still had sound issues, so I finally thought, well, I'll open the case and check the card, I pulled it out and put it back in and now it works. It must not have been seated properly. [02:11] how did that make you feel? [02:11] lol [02:11] nullboy: Me? Great, because now I have sound. :) [02:12] \o/ [02:12] lol [02:13] *yawn* [02:13] hola slackers [02:14] mornin [02:15] flunsch (n=flunsch@e179149021.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [02:15] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [02:20] clyphox (n=human@82-45-239-218.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:22] is the ability "to store extended attributes for improved performance" (mke2fs(8)) worth breaking compatibility with older systems? [02:22] what in slackware uses those "extended attributes"? [02:23] i chose "ext2" (and not the new-fangled stuff) in setup for a reason, and was quite surprised [02:23] you shouldnt be using ext2 [02:24] flunsch: what type of system is it? [02:25] 12.2 [02:25] type [02:25] i386 [02:25] well, at least you can easy convert ext2 to ext3 with tune2fs [02:26] so, easy conversion to ext3 is impossible after mke2fs -I 128 ? 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[02:39] i just used tune2fs -j on a filesystem created with mke2fs -I 128, and it didn't complain. tune2fs -l claims it now has a journal, and an inode size of 128 [02:39] clyphox (n=human@82-45-239-218.cable.ubr01.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving." [02:39] so what is this super "improved performance" i get for dropping interoperability? [02:40] anyway, the change (if desired) goes in make_ext2() of setup/SeTpartitions [02:41] ? [02:45] how do i leave a channel while using irssi? [02:45] vinnie_: In the channel type /wc [02:45] vinnie_: For window close [02:45] kjell: ty... this is awkward [02:45] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-139-115.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:45] vinnie_: Hehe, in what way? [02:46] im use to using kvirc, but right now im ssh into my home machine from work, and using irssi for the first time [02:47] Ah ok. I actually like irssi a lot. I'm a windows-user at the moment (going slack soon) but I prefere irssi. [02:47] cool [02:48] /set if you want to set a few variables like charset and so on. /lastlog if you want to search for something i.e. type /lastlog tune2fs [02:48] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [02:53] kjell: is there a way to disable timestamp in irssi? [02:54] holy crap, lastlog is awesome [02:54] Try /set timestamps off [02:54] redtricycle: Indeed, just found it? [02:54] Yes, because you said it =P [02:54] ok [02:54] sigh, I wield the power of irssi quite poorly [02:54] yes it worked [02:54] Hehe, irssi is the best. [02:55] Okay, okay, what else is cool, kjell ? [02:55] vinnie_: Don't forget to do a /save after changing a value with /set [02:55] redtricycle: What do you want to do? :p [02:55] kjell: I...don't know o_o [02:55] was just wowed by lastlog ;) [02:56] vinnie_: try /help. covers most if you're stuck [02:56] The Purple Fullcrap Ball says: it shall be visible will be? [02:56] ok... this might be a stupid question. Is there a way to display whos in the channel? [02:56] "/names" [02:56] or /n [02:56] If your lazy [02:56] cool [02:56] o_o [02:56] learned that too, haha [02:56] redtricycle: haha :D [02:57] /dev/bollocks says: e-enable dynamic e-commerce [02:57] theres themes @ irssi.org a lot [02:57] I'm not really very fund of themes though. I like it the way it is. [02:57] brb [02:57] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left ##slackware. [02:58] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [02:58] its good i prefer greenedge, my terms dimgrey fg black or transparent bg terminus font using 0.8.13-svn :) [02:59] weechats veru nice also has more buffer related options,the irssi developer collaborates with weechat's [03:00] but used irssi longer,prefer it myself [03:01] knuddeli (n=a@e179149021.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [03:01] holy cow time flies have a good morn or night everyone. 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[03:59] nocti (n=nocti@unaffiliated/nocti) left irc: "leaving" [03:59] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:59] braqoon (n=braqoon@gatekeeper.office.dialogue.net.uk) left ##slackware. [03:59] Tidus_ (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [03:59] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) joined ##slackware. [04:02] raela (n=raela@205.133.227.98) joined ##slackware. [04:03] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) got lost in the net-split. [04:06] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [04:10] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:10] what counts as a popular game, anyway? [04:11] (seriously, what are all the cool kids playing now?) [04:11] bsd-games :) [04:11] nah, unless you count you and me as cool kids [04:12] I guess the cool kids plays bsd-games, but popular games (IMO) is Counter-Strike, WoW (urgh), Red Alert 3 and so forth. [04:12] too old to be a kid (at least in the eyes of actual kids), and never was cool apparently [04:13] world of wastecraft... [04:13] Hate it, always will. [04:13] counterstrike... is fairly old by now isn't it? [04:14] It is, but I think it's still usable when wanting to relax or doing something you don't do every day. [04:14] seem to remember it being "outdated" by the time I knew anyone who got it working on linux [04:14] And old games are good games. [04:14] agreed [04:14] Bubble Bobble <3 [04:14] pac-man on MAME [04:14] or galaga [04:14] I love Galaga [04:14] I'm young, I was a young kid in the 8-bit era. [04:15] tho I do still play a bit of quake 3 (and consider it "new") [04:15] Mi [04:15] Cro [04:15] Maghines!! [04:15] i do counter-striking occasionally (tho also not a kid) [04:15] s/Maghines/Machines/ [04:16] _40oxo_ (n=o40z@accweb.evergreen.edu) left ##slackware. [04:16] slava_dp: Playing it over Wine? [04:16] kjell, yeah [04:16] ...maybe we're not talking about exactly the same thing. The counterstrike I know of was based on the original half-life [04:16] i'm talking about that :) [04:16] slava_dp: No problems encountered, while ingame or installing? [04:16] ah, ok [04:17] kjell, you have to apply latest patch, otherwise the game hangs when joining [04:17] I think the only way I could stand to play counterstrike would be to start my own clan (does that game even have clans?) [04:17] slava_dp: Wine-patch or Steam? :D [04:18] kjell, nope, wine is all right, have to patch cs :) [04:18] Urchlay: It has. And it could be fun to have one. [04:18] watched a guy play some, he was always on a team with people he didn't know, and they were either terrible, or else didn't get the whole concept of team play [04:18] slava_dp: hehe ok [04:18] he spent more time bitching about his teammates than the enemy [04:18] Yeah thats a common problem when playing online on a public server Urchlay. [04:19] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:19] OTOH, I had to give up quake2/3 deathmatching [04:19] all the public servers are full of 12-yr-old kids who (a) have better reflexes than my tired old ass, and (b) do *nothing else* but play the game 12 hours a day, every day [04:19] Avelino (n=Avelino@mail.paterno.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [04:20] ...and (c) are constantly talking shit that they wouldn't dare say to someone in person [04:20] Urchlay++ [04:20] I can take being beat... but not being beat and insulted for it [04:21] (well, after a while, being beat over & over again isn't fun either) [04:21] why back in my day (you yound whippersnapper!) we used to go out in the woods with BB guns and shoot each other for real! [04:21] Haha, I love my brother. When we play (very seldom), at first he wins almost all rounds. After a while when I'm used to the game I always win. After 30 minutes or so, he throws the headset off and leaves. [04:22] tell you what I really miss... what they call LAN parties now [04:23] house I lived in circa 1996/97 was like that, all the time [04:24] something about being able to physically drink beer with the people you're playing with... [04:24] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [04:24] Urchlay: Come to Sweden next winter. [04:25] Urchlay: And join in at the biggest LAN-party in the world. [04:25] heh. I want to go to Sweden someday... not sure winter is the right time for it [04:26] hm, is that above the arctic circle, where the sun doesn't come up for 6 months of the year? [04:26] or am I thinking of some other country (my geography is hazy...) [04:27] :D [04:27] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/J%C3%B6nk%C3%B6ping_in_Sweden.png/275px-J%C3%B6nk%C3%B6ping_in_Sweden.png [04:27] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/EU_location_SWE.png/800px-EU_location_SWE.png <-- the pink one [04:27] The red dot at the first picture is where the LAN is held. [04:28] wow you have lots of rivers there [04:28] OK, not in the 6-month-darkness... [04:28] they have lots of fjords too [04:28] slava_dp: You should check out Finland then ;) [04:29] Anyways. Dreamhack is a lot of fun. Last time I was there, I played DH-game. It's a logics-game kind of, related to computers and electronics. [04:29] all I know about sweden/norway/etc comes from reading about vikings and norse gods... not sure how much of it applies to the real world [04:30] all i know about Finland is Linus :) [04:30] :D [04:30] Linus and reindeer [04:30] yay [04:30] santa [04:31] Action: ccfreak2k knows a few Swedes and one Austrian. [04:32] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:33] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-351793.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [04:33] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-351793.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:33] kjell: almost all the cool stuff (conventions and such) that happens in the US, happens in places like LA or Philadelphia... [04:34] I'm in Atlanta, might as well be a foreign country [04:34] Urchlay: Haha :< [04:35] actually during the 1860s it *was* a foreign country [04:36] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:36] kjell: the difficulty is... I don't fly [04:37] in theory I might ride a bus to Philly, or drive (it'd take a looong time) [04:37] but it's a long, wet drive to Sweden... [04:37] Or! You could take a flight :D [04:38] Or, what. You don't fly in planes? I thought you meant you, as a person, can't fly D [04:38] :D [04:38] well, both [04:38] you could take a boat :D [04:38] where in the hell in 'make menuconfig' do i set -> CONFIG_64BIT to "y" ? kernel version == 2.6.27.7-smp [04:38] I mean I never tried flying without a plane, but it seems like it might not work... [04:38] dtanner, hit the forward slash key and type in 64BIT. [04:38] :-D Have you tried flying with a plane? [04:39] kjell: yah. It was terrible [04:39] ccfreak2k: i did , it is the very first entry in the .config but i can not for the life of me find it in "make meniconfig" [04:39] claustrophobic feeling [04:39] ccfreak2k: it is currently set to no , i want to change it [04:39] I might force myself to fly in a plane, in an emergency [04:40] (like, relative is about to die, I need to get there before it happens) [04:41] dtanner: you're on a 32-bit slackware box, wanting to compile a 64-bit kernel? [04:41] dtanner, are you cross-compiling? [04:41] you need a 64-bit cross compiler [04:42] Urchlay: i just want to change that so i can run 64 bit guests on a 32 bit host , i have verified with the kernel folks that 32 bit OS will run fine with 64 bit set to yes. they are all afk for now or i would ask them where it is in the menuconfig to set it. [04:43] dtanner: vi .config? :) [04:43] dtanner, using Xen? [04:44] yeah , i am tempted , but setting my cpu type to what it actually is Athlon64 MAY enable that while it is building is all I can think of. i will try the build now that i have changed my cpu type to match my cpu [04:44] dtanner: what did they actually tell you? That you can run a 32-bit userspace on a 64-bit kernel? [04:45] you can, but you still need a 64-bit compiler (cross compiler actually) to build it, if you're running a 32-bit userspace [04:45] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:45] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@C-59-100-81-83.bri.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:46] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.4) joined ##slackware. [04:46] I mean just setting the option CONFIG_64BIT=y isn't going to magically make Slackware's 32-bit x86 C compiler able to emit x86_64 code... [04:47] (if you're already aware of that & are using a cross compiler, ignore me...) [04:48] habtool_ (n=habtool@86-41-72-217-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:49] Urchlay: yes I am aware of that. sorry for the delay, I was googling [04:51] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:51] Urchlay: i just had a kernel guy wake up , the answer is to start menuconfig as so -> 'make menuconfig ARCH=x86' , then the option shows up in menuconfig to set it. [04:51] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [04:51] Action: dtanner is all better now =) [04:52] ah [04:52] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:52] yawn [04:52] was going to suggest trying the slamd64 kernel, but probably would anger the ##slackware deities... [04:54] Nick change: Tidus_ -> Tidus [04:54] booouuuuuuuuuuuuuh ! :anger: [04:54] sorry, had to :D [04:55] morning :) [04:55] was just waiting to see which one of ye would do that... [04:55] out of sync though, it's not morning for me (it's very late at night) [04:55] 5AM [04:55] the one who just woke up and still has his head in his ... [04:56] you'd better go to bed ;) [04:56] well normally I'd be up until after dawn... but actually got up at 7AM yesterday (probably happens no more than once a year) [04:57] oh, then, I'm sure you can do better than 22 hours, already done 24 ? [04:57] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: "Leaving." [04:57] am getting old, my max is something like 36 [04:58] and actually that makes me paranoid: I once stayed up 7 days straight and ended up in the looney bin [04:58] (they thought I was on drugs... I was just high on my own fatigue poisons) [05:00] yack, 7 days ? I know the effect and wouldn't even think staying up more than two days [05:00] agiofws@ixus:~$login [05:00] I didn't really do it on purpose [05:00] No utmp entry. You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh" [05:00] how can i login as onother user from the xsession ? [05:00] Agiofws: "su - username" maybe? [05:00] ok thanks [05:01] Cewl [05:01] why not PAM, whyyyy ? [05:02] Action: mohaa pokes Old_Fogie with the plastic hammer [05:02] 7 days.... omfg. i would die sooner if i even tried. [05:03] well I wasn't on drugs, but I had just abruptly stopped being on a particular drug... [05:03] :D [05:04] Computernerds in sweden tend to use illegal drugs. Is it alike in other countries? [05:04] what's a looney bin? [05:04] eh, the ones here are split about 50/50 I think [05:04] looney or tooney ? [05:04] slava_dp: insane asylum... or rehab [05:04] slava_dp: its where the canadians put dirty money [05:04] where they put the crazy people [05:04] :D didn't know that [05:05] slava_dp, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=looney+bin ;) [05:05] CONFIG_64BIT=y [05:05] # CONFIG_X86_32 is not set [05:05] CONFIG_X86_64=y [05:05] CONFIG_X86=y [05:05] come on... that was at least worth one lol! [05:05] Action: dtanner is happy now. [05:06] kjell: I know some who are serious stoners, and some who are the exact opposite (guys who won't even drink a beer) [05:06] not too many in between [05:06] Zordrak, :D [05:06] philistines [05:07] dmonjo (n=dmonjo@78.138.215.118) joined ##slackware. [05:07] hello [05:07] are there NICs that deny sniffing on the network? [05:07] i am using linux ans still i am not able to see other packets traversing on the network [05:07] even in promiscous mode [05:07] Urchlay: Hehe, okay. It's the same in Sweden I guess. [05:07] dmonjo: maybe you're plugged into a switch instead of a hub? [05:07] dmonjo: Using a switch right? [05:08] Action: Zordrak slaps Urchlay for being too quick [05:08] not really [05:08] using an AP [05:08] yaeh [05:08] AP is like a hub [05:08] a switched AP [05:08] heh [05:08] kjell: I know one pretty good programmer who doesn't even eat spicy food or drink anything with caffeine in it... if I poured a beer on him, he'd probably burst into flames (like vampires with holy water...) [05:08] there is nothing called a sw AP :O) [05:09] dhex_ (n=dhex@d58-106-95-60.per4.wa.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:10] Karlitoo (n=karlitoo@213.137.110.67) joined ##slackware. [05:10] hm. To sniff wireless, can you just use tcpdump? thought you needed tools that specifically know about wireless [05:10] hi alll :) [05:11] (or is that just for detecting random networks, aka wardriving?) [05:13] Ausloki (n=josh@62.206.118.26) joined ##slackware. [05:13] when you add a device, like a usb device [05:14] is there a way to tell what it is in /dev [05:14] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [05:14] so you can mount it [05:14] is is there there an an echo echo in in here here? [05:14] try dmesg|tail [05:15] Ausloki: i think you want `fdisk -l` [05:15] at least hard drives and hard-drive-like things like thumb/flash drives will show up [05:18] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:20] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [05:22] dmonjo (n=dmonjo@78.138.215.118) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:22] Ausloki usualy the usb drive is /dev/sda but if you have 1 sata drive then it is /dev/sdb and ofcourse if it's formated with a partition then it's /dev/sda1 or /dev/sdb1 [05:23] Urchlay: Youre in a need to use just one tool or why just tcpdump? [05:23] wanni (n=twanny_a@195.158.103.164) joined ##slackware. [05:24] try this "scp root@192.168.123.110:/root/file . ", but it doesn't seem to work, any help? [05:24] can any one give me a name of a media player that plays mostly all the media like mp3 m4a acc wma and other formats [05:25] well i tried dmesg [05:25] wanni: what DOES it do? [05:25] and the device showed up [05:25] but it just said something like device number 7 [05:26] I know amarok 2.0 is a nice and stable player but I can't find out the file support [05:26] and did not show where it was in /dev, or where it would be [05:26] Zordrak, just stays there and nothing happens [05:26] Ausloki: i think you want `fdisk -l` [05:26] wanni: can you ssh to that host as root? [05:26] kjell: eh? no, I meant, will standard tools like tcpdump work without anything special, on a wireless network [05:26] (tools based on libpcap specifically) [05:27] Zordrak, yes I can ssh as root [05:27] wanni: *shrug* [05:27] Zordrak, and there is space on the local hard disk [05:27] tcpdump is just what I'm used to (and sometimes ethereal for analyzing data captured with tcpdump) [05:28] Urchlay: I think you will need a tool to analyze the result or something. But I have no idea of what I'm talking about so I should probably shut my mouth. [05:28] Zordrak: it isnt listed. It is a external usb hdd that does not show up in windows [05:28] ehm, the result is presumably like any other packet dump [05:28] it may be damaged, but dmesg shows it clearly [05:29] can any one give me a name of a media player that plays mostly all the media like mp3 m4a acc wma and other formats [05:29] I know amarok 2.0 is a nice and stable player but I can't find out the file support [05:29] I just don't know if your average wireless card supports promiscuous mode wihout any reprogramming of the firmware or whatever [05:29] Karlitoo: vlc [05:29] Karlitoo: mplayer [05:30] Karlitoo, mplayer ... vlc [05:30] some people might say xine, as well (I don't like it as much as mplayer, but it *does* come with Slackware) [05:32] I don't know about all those formats you listed, but xine definitely does .mp3 and .m4a [05:32] and of course .avi (divx) and mpeg [05:33] hm, and apparently .wma as well (just now tried it) [05:36] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [05:41] p1p3 (n=chatzill@ske.rapidnet.de) joined ##slackware. [05:43] TY Urchlay and Agiofws [05:43] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-4e4bb30da34fddfd) joined ##slackware. [05:43] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.70.144) joined ##slackware. [05:43] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.68.44) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [05:43] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [05:44] it's been a long time since I ran into any sort of audio or video file mplayer couldn't handle [05:44] (and last few times that happened, they were really bad files: windows/mac couldn't play them either) [05:45] ...that's with the mplayer win32 codecs pack installed though [05:45] Urchlay: My device shows up with dmesg, but does not say where it is in /dev. Is there a way to tell? [05:46] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.70.144) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:46] ehhh, normally it says /dev/hdc or whatever, right there in dmesg [05:47] but try "fdisk -l", see if you see any devices there that you don't normally have [05:47] Urchlay: it probably failed to load the device properly because it's- borked [05:47] this is assuming your device is in fact USB storage [05:47] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.68.164) joined ##slackware. [05:48] (obviously fdisk won't list your USB mouse or headset...) [05:49] it is a usb storage device [05:49] and may be borked [05:49] and I've got one device (a camera) that shows up as one of two completely different things, depending on whether the switch on it is set to camera or disk mode [05:49] but dmesg shows the manufacturer and serial number all fine [05:49] hi, i have on old slackware (kernel 2.4, compiled in may 2008 but i don't know how old the hole system actually is) and i get a "broken pipe" on "last | head". it takes ages until the output is printed. any ideas what might be the problem? [05:49] i was hoping to use dd to make an image of it [05:49] so if no path in /dev shows up in dmesg or fdisk -l it is borked? [05:49] I dunno, I've seen USB sticks that got washed in a load of clothes and dried on high heat, and still worked :) [05:50] this is an external hdd [05:50] not a stick though [05:50] ah. You didn't run it through the washer & dryer did you? :) [05:50] Ausloki: its doing the same as windows // device identified, buth borked and unstartable [05:51] maybe pop the actual drive out of the caddy (it's almost certainly easy to remove and a plain IDE/ATAPI drive) [05:51] ^^ [05:51] see if it'll work in a different carry (or if a different drive will work in that caddy) [05:52] s/carry/caddy/ [05:53] I've got at least one USB enclosure that was designed for CD-ROM drives, and actually won't work with regular hard drives (they show up in dmesg, but apparently not getting enough current to spin the platters... or something) [05:54] p1p3 (n=chatzill@ske.rapidnet.de) left ##slackware. [05:55] oh well thanks guys [05:55] i was trying to avoid opening it [05:55] as it isnt mine and that will void the warranty [05:55] but no choice now [05:57] Urchlay well I got the all codec for mplayer from slackbuilds.org [05:57] I think that should do the tirck [05:57] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:02] Urchlay I have another question each time I open any video I see it in color green and then some purple or pink which ever [06:02] it never comes out normal [06:05] try running "mplayer -vo x11 whatever.file" [06:06] if that fixes it, the problem's probably your X config, not actually mplayer [06:06] (note: using -vo x11 is horribly inefficient, the video might skip or lag...) [06:08] eh, or maybe "-vo gl" if you've got a working openGL setup [06:08] ty :) [06:09] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:10] actually I can't remember what the default video output driver even is, it might already be trying to use opengl. Maybe "-vo xv" does the trick? [06:10] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:11] 1 sec compiling mplayer [06:11] :) [06:11] errr. I thought you already had it compiled, but it was showing everything in green? [06:12] yeah in xine [06:12] oh [06:12] and any other player that I tryed [06:12] ohh [06:12] the bg is green then purple shows up [06:12] probably is your X setup [06:14] there's a way to tell xine to use a different video output plugin (somewhere in its pointy-clicky menu) [06:14] I don't use xine enough to know exactly how, though [06:14] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [06:15] hum but how do I change the video output in general [06:15] arny (n=arny@79.119.151.218) joined ##slackware. [06:15] for all players there should be a way [06:15] ehlo :) [06:16] Karlitoo: sure. But each player is going to have its own menu and/or command line options [06:16] Nick change: SagaZ- -> dbaio [06:16] true [06:16] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.68.164) joined ##slackware. [06:16] I'll just use 1 player and config it correctly [06:17] yah, good plan. Pick the one you like [06:17] (alternately, pick the one you get working first...) [06:17] :D [06:17] (alternately, pick the one you get working first...) <-- here! here! [06:18] or lastly, one that ticks ya off the least [06:20] errgh. I've now been awake 23.5 hours [06:20] think it's time to (try to) sleep [06:23] got the mplayer working right away [06:23] just changed the output driver to opengl and it works just fine [06:23] ty Urchlay [06:29] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. 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[08:19] Hi guys I want to trace a program's all the functions calls ,so that I can understand how it works better. Is there any tools to meet this requirement [08:20] strace is good [08:20] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-200372.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:21] strace only trace system call. I want to trace it's own function call. [08:21] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:21] has anyone tested ext4 with slack ? [08:22] thrice`: gdb might trace all the function call,but i'm not good-skill enough to do that with gdb [08:22] sorry, I misread your first one [08:23] thrice`: that's all right [08:23] is it better to use ext3 and mount it as ext4 ? [08:23] reaver__ (n=reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [08:24] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [08:25] you dont get many if any advantage from mounting ext3 as ext4 [08:25] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [08:26] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [08:26] http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4 is good [08:27] Packetee1 (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [08:27] read that [08:27] just wanted some personal views/experiences [08:27] Packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:27] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:27] when I add a virtual ip to the lo interface I can no longer connect to that machine via network. Is there a way I can fix that? [08:28] pprkut: what? [08:28] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [08:28] ok, so the long story :P [08:29] I have heartbeat setup to work as a loadbalancer for apache nodes [08:29] hohoxnes (n=hoho_1@125.71.66.12) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:30] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.82) joined ##slackware. [08:31] those have configured a virtual ip, I can already reach. However, I can't connect to the defined apache nodes. [08:31] hangfive (n=hangfive@ip-81-210-143-183.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [08:31] I read I have to configure the same virtual ip on those nodes as well, so that they recognize the request [08:31] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:31] dont assign an address to the lo interface [08:32] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:32] dguitar (n=dguitar@unaffiliated/dguitar) joined ##slackware. [08:33] raelakoira (n=raela@206.21.75.82) joined ##slackware. [08:33] let me try it with eth0 then. All the resources on the net I found used lo... [08:34] Packetee1 (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:35] The slackbook is good! [08:35] Easy to read, easy to understand most of it. [08:36] In the slackbook it says it's good to make a bootdisk. But they don't mention why it's a good idéa. [08:36] What is the bootdisk for. Just booting the computer? [08:36] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@C-59-100-81-83.bri.connect.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [08:36] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) joined ##slackware. [08:36] Won't the install-CD work as a liveCD instead? [08:36] kjell: if you dont have a working kernel, or your kernel panics trying to mount / [08:37] but yes the install cd can be used to boot a system [08:37] yes, you can use the install CD to boot and fix it :) I always skip the bootdisk creation [08:37] spook: thanks, works now :) [08:37] using hugesmp.s root=/root/dev/ [08:37] And If I don't got any floppy-drive, its a Skip-version I should go for later? hehe [08:37] you cant use a floppy anymore [08:37] has to be usb [08:38] Aha! [08:38] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-200372.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [08:38] the 2.6 kernel no longer fits on a floppy [08:38] In that case I might just buy a cheapass USB and use it as a bootdisk. [08:38] or pxe boot [08:38] the slackware usbboot.img is only about 50mb [08:39] Have to google pxe then :p [08:39] so you could probally get away with a 128mb flash drive [08:39] Aha, cool. [08:39] raelakoira (n=raela@206.21.75.82) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:43] Just tell me if I'm asking to much, hehe. What window manager are you guys/ladies using, and why? By looking at some screenshots at wikipedia it feels like xfce is a nice one. [08:44] xfce is pretty good. I like kde4 quite a bit too [08:44] i am currently using kde 3.5 because of laziness [08:44] Fluxbox > all [08:44] try kde 4.2 if you haven't :P [08:45] I think KDE looks a bit too much like the Windows startmenu for my taste, is that configruable or is it the way it's supposed to be? [08:45] yes fluxbox is awesome [08:45] however i've taken a liking to xfce on my eeepc lately [08:45] I run OpenBox on my eeePC [08:45] 'feels' similar to xfce but a lot less crap [08:46] Whats crap in xfce? (I don't know anything about it) [08:46] lol [08:47] under xfce i didnt get any of the shitty window positioning problems i got under fluxbox [08:48] How does it lack in fluxbox? [08:48] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) joined ##slackware. [08:49] go try these window managers [08:49] slackware installs a couple by default, and you can very easily change and try them all out. [08:49] Oh, I thought it was in this screen I had to choose what to use http://slackbook.org/html/installation/setup-xwmconfig-w.png [08:49] no [08:49] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:49] finish the install [08:50] Aha, its just the default one. [08:50] spook: Hehe, I'm just reading the book now. I want to learn as much as possible before installing it. [08:50] that's the default choice, but you simply run "xwmconfig" (X WindowManager CONFIG) to change [08:50] Or if you have it set to boot into kdm, you can choose there [08:50] Cool, thanks a lot. Would never have figured that out my self :D [08:51] kjell: just install it. [08:51] spook: Planning to install it at my new computer I will order soon. Will emigrate from WinXP. [08:52] kjell: you will learn a lot faster by jut installing, and then installing again. [08:52] use qemu-win and emulate a slackmachine [08:52] Okay, well aint got nothing to do at work now so I'd better read anyway :) [08:52] hey, don't get upset because he's actually reading the slackbook before installing. this is one in a million :> [08:56] Any thoughts on this you guys? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/external-luks-699234/#post3417963 [08:56] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.82) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:57] Sorry, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/external-luks-699234/ [08:57] P4C0 (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) joined ##slackware. [08:57] slackware 14 wtf [08:57] hello [08:58] that has been part of the url for slackware at linuxquestions for a long time, does't mean anything [08:58] twolf: [ in bed ] [08:59] in bed it may mean something [09:00] what does it means? [09:01] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:01] Got to go home now. Stockholm this weekend. See you around and thanks for the great chats i've had. [09:06] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:06] Makaveli_ma (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [09:06] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.182.28) left irc: "world travel" [09:09] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:12] lionping (n=itsme@cm.mpi.univie.ac.at) left ##slackware. [09:12] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejm211.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:12] lionping (n=itsme@cm.mpi.univie.ac.at) joined ##slackware. [09:12] hcx (n=hcx@Q77af.q.strato-dslnet.de) joined ##slackware. [09:13] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. 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[09:26] dejai (n=dejai@230.15.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:26] my cat /proc/bus/input/device gives me a "Macintosh mouse button emulation" but I am on a HP/Compaq lappy [09:28] ecuaflame, I don't have a laptop and I've not done an upgrade, but has the xorg.conf changed during the upgrade? [09:28] not at all, I recreated the xorg though, cause i thought that was the problem [09:28] chii (i=chii@freenode/bot/chii) joined ##slackware. [09:29] Wolven, the last version I had was 12.0 and i didn't even need to configure xorg [09:29] ok [09:29] and I never looked at my cat /proc/bus before in regards to the mouse so I am not sure if it used to give me that same name before [09:29] i wonder if its a kernel issue [09:30] That is what I'm thinking too [09:30] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.82) joined ##slackware. [09:30] hangfive (n=hangfive@ip-81-210-143-183.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: "Leaving" [09:30] one more tidbit, after I finish upgrading I went back to telinit 3 and did startx and the mouse was working [09:31] touchpad I mean [09:31] but it stopped working after i rebooted [09:31] perhaps a kernel module that's not being loaded [09:31] does lspci give any clues? [09:32] i just installed 12.2 on a server, and it came up with macintosh button emulation. the mouse works though [09:32] yeah, checking lspci [09:33] ecuaflame: when you say it stopped working after reboot, you mean in X or in console? [09:33] nothing in lspci [09:33] both [09:33] actually BP{k} i am not sure if I have mouse enabled in console [09:34] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-351793.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:35] what happens if you run mouseconfig? [09:35] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-351793.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:35] Just throwing out radom ideas really... [09:35] random* [09:35] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:35] running [09:35] i had forgotten about mouseconfig [09:36] juan--d-_-b (i=1000@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [09:36] jeezus, I hate it that everytime I search the googles i get ubuntu related stuff, argh [09:36] then we're two [09:37] I usually do a -ubuntu these days [09:37] yeah, i should add that switch everytime [09:37] :D [09:37] the FF crew should add it as default [09:38] or perhaps Google [09:38] restarting after mouseconfig [09:38] ok [09:39] i selected ps/2 since it is what i used before [09:40] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.16.254) joined ##slackware. [09:41] what the heck!!!!! I think my lappy is dying, I just got a kernel panic because of mismatched cpu [09:41] is an oldy [09:41] holy mother of jesus, now it hung at BIOS, lol [09:41] its back [09:42] o0 [09:42] in nomine patris et filius spiritus sanctus .. we commend your cpu to the big cluster in the sky [09:43] hehe [09:43] haha [09:43] no prob, i still have 3 more left, the wonders of working at a hospital [09:44] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:44] wonders of recycling [09:44] mindbendr (n=neveraga@80.68.37.171) joined ##slackware. [09:46] aetheria_ (n=aetheria@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:47] ecuaflame (i=4308066b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1fcd7b891fc3827f) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [09:47] neymac (n=n3y@189.127.76.25) joined ##slackware. [09:47] raelakoira (n=raela@206.21.75.82) joined ##slackware. [09:47] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [09:49] Buggaboo (n=bug@ipd50a4203.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:51] reaver___ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:53] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:55] reaver__ (n=reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [09:57] afternoon slackers [09:57] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:58] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.16.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:58] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [09:58] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:00] ecuaflame (i=4308066b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fac6e00be091f2cb) joined ##slackware. [10:00] hi lw0x15 [10:00] lw0x15: good afternoon. [10:02] my other laptop rebooted, so I am back [10:02] and I have to announce the laptop with the mouse problem DEAD [10:03] neymac (n=n3y@189.127.76.25) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [10:03] this is why I can't have nice things [10:03] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [10:04] aaaw =/ poor thing [10:05] this is hard to decide should i buy a car for my b-day or a new box :( [10:05] lw0x15: a motorcycle [10:05] foldingstock: good option as well [10:05] then you'll have enough left over to buy a decent box as well [10:05] :) [10:06] hey lw0x15 i got a fried laptop for sale [10:06] foldingstock: a small car is around the same price as 50cc ped lol [10:06] is roughly 4 years old, but is a box alright [10:06] i want at least 125c [10:06] cc* [10:08] hcx (n=hcx@Q77af.q.strato-dslnet.de) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [10:08] i think ill go for a decent box first :] [10:08] lw0x15: I picked up a 2005 Katana 600 for $2500 [10:08] you just have to look around [10:09] foldingstock: not in london [10:09] juan--d-_-b (i=1000@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left ##slackware. [10:09] everything is expensive here :-/ [10:10] ah, ok [10:10] that's the difference then [10:10] doesn't london empose laws on engine size? [10:10] learners are stuck at 125cc or some such? [10:11] yeah till certain age [10:11] ok [10:11] nothing like that in america, anyone from 14 and up can go out, buy a 1300 hayubusa, and go kill themselves [10:11] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c220-237-26-25.farfl2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [10:11] population control ftw [10:11] hmm first thing I thought when reading katana .. was the japanese type sword :D [10:11] :]] [10:12] foldingstock: woah [10:12] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:12] there was a guy recently in my area [10:12] bought a honda goldwing (huge bike) [10:12] no license [10:12] drove it home from the dealership, ran off the road, and died [10:12] now his family is trying to sue the dealership [10:13] for letting him buy without a license [10:13] :-/ [10:13] hmmm I know nothing about laws, but I think that sue will not proceed [10:13] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: SendQ exceeded [10:14] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c220-237-26-25.farfl2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [10:14] when i get my license ill be able to ride a bike up to 25kW [10:14] 25kW? [10:14] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:14] spook: regarding my issue earlier. Turns out it didn't work that way. The virtual IP needs to be on the lo interface, because it should only be visible to that host. [10:14] foldingstock: power output [10:14] 33bhp [10:14] up to 33bhp [10:15] livebrai1 (n=livebrai@87-196-75-16.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:15] 25k Watts ;) electric bike :D [10:15] ;]] [10:15] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Excess Flood [10:15] ppl i read this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695 [10:15] i suffer from the same thing [10:15] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c220-237-26-25.farfl2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [10:15] i have around 170 Load_Cycle_Count per hour [10:15] i tried hdparm -B /dev/hda [10:15] hdparm -i says : [10:15] livebrai1: did we talk last time? [10:16] lw0x15: nice [10:16] AdvancedPM=yes: disabled (255) WriteCache=enabled [10:16] P4C0: ? [10:16] livebrai1: i had similar problem, actually my old hd died [10:16] hdparm -B 255 should disabble that [10:17] but not in my case :X [10:17] livebrai1: i had same problem, try with /usr/sbin/hdparm -B 240 /dev/sda [10:17] i still get lots of load cycles [10:17] I use hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda [10:17] livebrai1: if no... then you need to do something really odd [10:17] hdparm doesnt seem to afect hda [10:18] foldingstock: yeah after 2 years of riding or when i am over 21 ill be able to ride any size after taking some tests again =]] [10:18] hda -i says 255 no matter what i do [10:18] AdvancedPM=yes: disabled (255) WriteCache=enabled [10:18] livebrai1: ok, this is the odd part, call smartctl ?o on /dev/sda before hdparm [10:18] smartctl /dev/hda [10:19] like that ? [10:19] lw0x15: cool [10:19] your drive is hda? [10:19] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: SendQ exceeded [10:19] yeap [10:19] pata drive [10:19] foldingstock: some weird rules, eh ? =] [10:19] livebrai1: smartctl ?o on /dev/hda; hdparm -B 240 /dev/hda [10:20] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:21] still AdvancedPM=yes: disabled (255) WriteCache=enabled [10:21] lw0x15: yeah, but tbh they aren't a bad idea [10:21] hdparm -o on /dev/hda && hdparm -B 240 [10:21] there are too many fatal wreaks here that could have easily been prevented [10:21] hdparm -i still shows 255 [10:21] although I wouldn't want to give up my gixxr, so meh [10:21] word157 (n=word186@adsl196-231-215-217-196.adsl196-15.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [10:21] livebrai1: doesn't matter what hdparm shows... that will probably be wrong anywyas... check your Load_Cycle_Count [10:22] ups sorry, livebrai1 [10:22] Nick change: livebrai1 -> livebrain [10:23] heh i had the wrong nick ;P [10:23] livebrai1: it's: smartctl ?o on /dev/hda; hdparm -B 240 /dev/hda [10:23] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) joined ##slackware. [10:23] livebrain: the -o on is for smartctl not hdparm [10:23] ok my bad [10:24] man page about -o flag for smartctl makes no sense at all... but it worked for me... after that the Load_Cycle_Count stopped [10:24] i think it worked [10:24] the cycles stoped [10:25] thanks for the help P4C0 :) [10:25] 36810 cycles on a near brande new hd lol [10:25] i have dell true mobile 1300 dlan , i like connect witch this wireless card but i receive this message "no wireless extension" in iwconfig [10:25] *brand [10:25] :) now you just have to put it in your rc.local, also you can try with other values for -B (and if you want -S) to safe some power [10:26] arny (n=arny@79.119.151.218) left irc: "Leaving" [10:26] livebrain: is your hd a seagate one? [10:26] a cheap samsung [10:26] ok :) [10:27] but why samsung ? [10:28] c0nflict (i=500@134-102.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:28] aereinha (n=aereinha@pcp115156pcs.unl.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:28] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [10:28] if i did not set a root password during a slack install, it would be? blank? [10:28] yes [10:28] ugh... that means thats not my only issue ;) [10:30] i have dell true mobile 1300 dlan , i like connect witch this wireless card but i receive this message "no wireless extension" in iwconfig [10:31] word157: what is your card? (check it with lspci) [10:32] dell true mobile 1300 dlan [10:32] anyone got something to point me at to read so i can set up sendmail so that my apps running on apache can send email? [10:35] OMG my lappy came back to life [10:35] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) joined ##slackware. [10:35] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Client Quit [10:36] word157 (n=word186@adsl196-231-215-217-196.adsl196-15.iam.net.ma) left irc: "Wow! What a great client! Bersirc 2.2 [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ]" [10:36] word157: http://hardware4linux.info/component/7483/ ... first google search... you need to use ndistwrappers [10:37] c0nflict: apps on apache? is that php? [10:39] c0nflict: if you want to send important email, i'll recommend that you use a php library to contact an external mail server, if what you will send is not really important you can use sendmail, since it's likely that your email be tagged as spam [10:40] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:41] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:41] P4C0: depends on where you point your local sendmail to. ALso depends if your IP address is in a consumer of a business network [10:42] alienBOB: yes, totally true [10:42] If your IP is on a consumer network, you can point your local sendmail to the ISP's SMTP server for delivery, avoiding the risk of your emails being tagged as probable spam [10:43] aereinha (n=aereinha@pcp115156pcs.unl.edu) left irc: Client Quit [10:44] rodiguim (n=None@78-86-168-194.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:44] what if its on a business network? [10:44] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [10:45] Ausloki (n=josh@62.206.118.26) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [10:45] gkhnoisgtht (i=8189597e@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1b233acf26e22f74) joined ##slackware. [10:46] Any business will have one or more internal SMTP Servers which you can use [10:46] ecuaflame (i=4308066b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fac6e00be091f2cb) left irc: Excess Flood [10:48] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [10:49] does slackware need 3 partitions when installing or only two, swap and /, or does it also need a boot? [10:50] Arauto (n=leandro@201.17.173.143) joined ##slackware. [10:50] It only technically needs 1 [10:50] thats what i thought, though isn't that rather odd as far as linux goes? [10:50] No [10:51] gkhnoisgtht: how many ram do you have? [10:51] 3 gigs, plenty for linux [10:51] Well [10:51] Depends on your workload [10:52] I only have 4 and need more [10:52] what do you do with your system? [10:52] Lots [10:52] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) joined ##slackware. [10:52] chat & p0rn ;) [10:52] lol [10:52] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:53] Gargantua_ (i=Gargantu@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [10:53] that takes lots of ram... all that tabs in firefox [10:54] actually tabs in frefox do take quite a bit of ram [10:54] if you got over 10 or so [10:54] at least for me [10:54] l4m4_m4n (n=l4m4m4n@83.218.195.61) joined ##slackware. [10:55] i usually get up to 50 or so... all depends if it's a good site or not :p [10:55] hello! how do I did # export PATH=/usr/local/j2re1.4.2/bin:$PATH how to cancel that? [10:55] sorry! I did # export PATH=/usr/local/j2re1.4.2/bin:$PATH how to cancel that? [10:56] rAWjAW (n=rAWjAW@unaffiliated/rawjaw) joined ##slackware. [10:56] source /etc/profile [10:56] l4m4_m4n: echo $PATH then it, then export PATH= :p [10:56] yeah: . /etc/profile at a terminal [10:57] so... I remove jre.* from /etc/profile? [10:58] did you edit /etc/profile manually ? [10:58] no [10:58] then no [10:58] so the I need to follow P4C0s advice? [10:58] no [10:59] then, how? [10:59] source /etc/profile [10:59] copy and paste [10:59] :> [10:59] :( ?!?! [10:59] no [10:59] type in your shell: "source /etc/profile" [10:59] I did allready [10:59] following my advices can let to unexpected results :p [10:59] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [11:00] then your $PATH variable should be reset [11:00] P4C0: nice! :) [11:00] thrice, Dominian: thank you! [11:00] to test type "echo $PATH" and it will show what your path is now [11:01] Kerio2004 (n=Port@89.5.57.220) joined ##slackware. [11:01] I still see java there [11:01] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.4) left irc: [11:01] right, but the /usr/local/jre crap you added should be gone [11:02] then type "cat /etc/profile " and see what your default is [11:02] which, afaik, was your goal [11:02] that is right, it's gone [11:02] thank you a lot [11:03] sure :) [11:03] could someone explain how i could take xfce off default for x and change it to kde or gnome? [11:03] type "xwmconfig" as your user [11:03] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-72-217-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [11:03] thanks thrice` [11:05] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.202) joined ##slackware. [11:05] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:08] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.82) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:08] raelakoira (n=raela@206.21.75.82) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:11] anyone using kde4? [11:14] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [11:16] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h104-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. 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[12:18] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:18] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:20] Action: Camarade_Tux waves [12:20] Action: Camarade_Tux wonders if the whole irc just died [12:21] negative [12:21] I'm here [12:21] yes..it dies [12:21] died [12:21] I didn't see a netsplit [12:22] It lives! [12:22] Man... why do these "security testers" have to be such complete idiots?! [12:22] Because if they weren't their work might actually get done? [12:23] These guys claim to have found a "serious" vulnerability on a system I admin. [12:23] Alan_Hicks: oh? [12:23] what's the serious issue? [12:23] The vulnerability? OpenSSH PAM disclosure. [12:23] haha [12:23] how is that a vulnerability? [12:24] Claim to be able to gather usernames with it. [12:24] tellt hem to prove it [12:24] If they are doing raw data capture from port 22 without an authenticated session.. good luck [12:24] 1- Usernames are completely worthless without passwords. In fact, you should always assume the attacker knows your username. Hell, most attacks are from inside your network anyhow. [12:24] yep [12:25] 2- UsePAM no is the default in sshd_config. [12:25] 3- Slackware [12:25] hehe [12:25] easily taken care of... [12:25] Alan_Hicks: just tell them "Slackware doesn't use PAM" [12:25] then you'll get: "er.. well if it DID use PAM..." [12:25] I already have! [12:26] I've never heard of username gathering using PAM via SSH without an authenticated session.. and even then the connections are one to one.. and you'd have to have the ability tot ag a dump of data on the ssh process itself I would think.. [12:26] I mean basically without local access.. who cares? [12:26] Basically, what they claim to be a vulnerability is this... [12:27] PAM rejects inappropriate user names at a different speed than valid ones. [12:27] So the attacker could brute force a list of valid usernames. [12:27] eh [12:27] I would tell them to prove it [12:27] and tell themt o prove it using slackware [12:27] hehehe [12:28] Alan_Hicks, tell them they were right and you have fixed the vulnerability :D [12:28] Assuming of course, network latencies and the like are identical between all attempts. [12:28] no.. telling idiots they are right.. just produces Super Idiots [12:28] But no... the fun doesn't stop there! No. Get a load of this... [12:29] Alan_Hicks: and, if they were brute forcing, network latencies shouldn't be identical right? [12:29] Alan_Hicks: that is actually kinda true [12:29] eviljames: No.. latency being a timing thing for bruteforce.. [12:29] If latency is high on one end and low on another.. the timeout values are skewed [12:29] HOW TO FIX IT: This vulnerability is fixed in OpenSSH Version 3.6.1p2. Upgrade to teh latest version. [12:29] Dominian: I suppose I'm considering the case of a flood. [12:29] About the username failure being a different failure time [12:29] uhhhhh [12:29] Dominian: Oh, no, that's closer to what I was thinking, I just don't have the right words ;) [12:29] Alan_Hicks: WTF!? [12:29] Alan_Hicks: hahahahahaha did you: ls /var/log/packages | grep openssh for them? [12:29] That's what I said! /var/log/packages/openssh-5.1p1-i486-1 [12:29] I don't think its pam though [12:29] Alan_Hicks: ... uh .. say whah? [12:30] heh yeah :) [12:30] Alan_Hicks: so what was their retort to that? [12:30] Dominian: None. [12:30] Dominian: 3 is obviously higher than 5 .. right? ;) [12:30] They claim to have identified 1 valid user: adm, but that user is on EVERY STANKIN' UNIX BOX! [12:31] Alan_Hicks: You should offer to sell them a bridge. Sounds like they are candidates to invest in such a project. [12:31] BP{k}: I think they hired King Arthur from Monte Pyhton. "1... 2.... 5!" "3 Sire!" "3!" [12:31] hahahahaha [12:31] Alan_Hicks: lol, they didn't even throw root in for good measure? [12:31] Action: eviljames applauds Alan_Hicks [12:31] Can I get a noobfarm here? :-) [12:32] Lies [12:33] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [12:33] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-27-51-139.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:33] BP{k}: No! Which leads me to believe they probably tried root, nobody, adm, uucp, several other common users, and their security "tool" just picked up normal Internet latency on one attempt as a valid user. [12:34] josemanuel (n=josemanu@148.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [12:35] heh. [12:35] Alan_Hicks: where the heck did you find these bozos lol [12:35] What a bunch of morons. [12:36] BP{k}: hehe [12:36] BP{k}: I didn't. My client belongs to an organization that hired them. [12:36] Alan_Hicks: Did they come trolling your company, or did some CTO-type actually call them? [12:36] Alan_Hicks: post it up.. I'll approve it [12:36] Basically, they just run nessus and send out printed reports of what it finds. That's *ALL* they do. [12:36] The different time out for valid/invalid user thing IS correct [12:36] But its not a critical thing [12:36] and its not even acurrate to test [12:36] how much they charge for that? [12:37] But that is expected behavior [12:37] straterra: Was correct years ago before the OpenSSH-portable team fixed the random padding of response times. [12:37] P4C0: I have no idea, but I'd bet it's a ridiculous ammount. [12:37] Yes [12:37] I wish openSSH didn't lag looking up rdns, heh [12:37] straterra: Can't you fix that with some /etc/hosts amendments? [12:38] No [12:38] eviljames: that's a band-aid [12:38] Well, yes. [12:38] and I wouldn't recommend it [12:38] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.20.69) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:38] Dominian: It's fine for a small network. [12:38] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:38] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.19.121) joined ##slackware. [12:38] Dominian: But in a larger circumstance, you're right of cours.e [12:38] Action: Dominian nods [12:39] Alan_Hicks: ever thought about starting a webpage on "how not to do things"? seems you run in a-plenty in your line of work :) [12:39] BP{k}: noobfarm.org [12:39] hehe [12:40] :) [12:41] Alan_Hicks: did you ask him if he was a certified linux admin? [12:42] straterra: well he showed his A+ certification! [12:42] zomg [12:42] I've never spoken to them. I'm afraid communicating with them will increase the ammount of entropy in my gray matter to excessive levels. [12:42] Alan_Hicks: basically, you're afraid that you'd get stupider by the minute you speak with them [12:42] Well..get the extra entropy and let Debian borrow it [12:42] Dominian: Right. [12:42] o.O [12:42] Debian is lacking in entropy [12:43] they probably run debian [12:43] that openssh version appears to be something Debian would be running [12:43] straterra: Debian has all the entropy they need if they would just harvest it from debian-legal. [12:43] heh [12:43] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-27-51-139.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [12:44] "There are endless fields Neo..where entropy is no longer common...It's grown and given to the few.." [12:45] Well, I've learned I shouldn't erad noobfarm during lectures.... [12:45] why is that? [12:46] Bursting out laughing when your professor is talking about recursion generally results in funny looks. [12:46] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.71) joined ##slackware. [12:47] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [12:47] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) joined ##slackware. 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[13:33] hello [13:34] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-523df1c6470ff586) joined ##slackware. [13:38] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [13:39] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [13:42] Mad_Dud (n=Mad_Dud@c108-226.icpnet.pl) left irc: "changing servers" [13:42] Mad_Dud (n=Mad_Dud@c108-226.icpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:42] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:43] nix_chix0r, i still got nothing :( [13:43] yeah return to sender i got a dead pony in my basement [13:43] emss (i=emss@d118-75-37-96.nap.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [13:44] dead pony? [13:44] Nigromante, nix_chix0r is a pony killer [13:44] sad sad day [13:44] let's gather around [13:44] :-$ [13:44] who wants burgers though? [13:44] P4C0 (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) joined ##slackware. [13:44] Action: edman007 cries [13:45] killing ponies is not hobbit-friendly [13:45] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-86.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] edman007, i'm on my couch!!! with the internets [13:45] emss (i=emss@d118-75-37-96.nap.wideopenwest.com) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [13:45] nix_chix0r, are you running slack torrents? [13:46] i'm not taking gentoo off this laptop [13:46] i can't find my laptops power adapter=\ lost in the baby room [13:46] I like Gentoo [13:46] nix_chix0r, did you get the baby a laptop yet? [13:47] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [13:47] i can't seem to find a drool proof one [13:47] look harder, because they do make em [13:47] duct tape [13:48] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:49] http://www.ruffpc.com/ [13:49] naw [13:50] nix_chix0r, that laptop looks perfect! [13:50] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-523df1c6470ff586) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:50] argh, why is Dia a pile of shite [13:51] their price is the only thing i don't like [13:51] are there _any_ decent diagramming programs on linux? [13:51] dia ? [13:51] it's horrible >_> [13:52] bono (i=bono@118-160-168-113.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] i want one! [13:52] then you should grab the code and fix it [13:52] nix_chix0r, its cheap too http://www.ruffpc.com/ruffbook-Ultra-specs.html [13:52] Kivio [13:52] nullboy: also tried, kinda nasty :\ [13:52] thrice`: sigh [13:53] ...so what would make one good then? [13:53] ed wtf [13:53] nearly 4grand for a laptop [13:53] lol [13:53] ...i've used Kivio many times and it seems fine [13:53] that's not cheap [13:53] nix_chix0r, i picked it because i know you would only accept the best [13:53] tell your parents to buy me it [13:54] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.81) joined ##slackware. [13:54] .. [13:54] you owe me a pony [13:54] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:54] the pony is dead [13:54] make some glue [13:54] you could at least buy on of those laptops, since you like to kill ponys [13:54] What's the battery in your computer called that runs the clock and stuff? The CMOS battery/ [13:54] s/on/one/ [13:54] straterra, i'm going to mail him a my littlle pony [13:54] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:54] nix_chix0r: mail him your bf lol [13:55] haha [13:55] gartt: yes [13:55] ... [13:55] straterra: Thanks [13:55] Andymeows (n=andy@c-66-41-202-39.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:55] is there a program to generate ascii art like banner, but horizontally? [13:56] straterra, i don't think he would enjoy that, my bf that is [13:56] nix_chix0r: he might! [13:56] if he does he can go:P [13:56] Andymeows: what does this tell you: grep rdi /etc/inittab [13:56] i'll just become a lesbian [13:57] nix_chix0r, i need a pony [13:57] and a live one too [13:57] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [13:58] there are no more ponies! [13:59] Action: edman007 reports nix_chix0r to the aspca [13:59] nullboy: I get nothing [13:59] Andymeows: that's what i thought [13:59] you aren't even running slackware [14:00] I've ran it before [14:00] go look in #asciipr0n [14:00] lol [14:00] lol [14:00] heh [14:00] ... [14:00] Action: edman007 high fives nullboy [14:00] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:00] I've rode your mom before too..doesn't mean I ask her to pay my bills [14:00] Action: kamaji admits that was pretty slick [14:01] sorry to bother you [14:01] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:01] _io (n=io-@72.25.58.207) joined ##slackware. [14:01] my cats tail is pretty bald except for the tip which is mad fluffy [14:01] she is chewing her fur off [14:02] nix_chix0r: your cat has fleas. and yes, you're about to say she doesn't have fleas...but she does. [14:02] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.71) left irc: "Leaving" [14:02] all cat owners say their cats don't have fleas but all of us non cat owners know they do have fleas [14:02] I found it, figlet [14:03] the vet says she's just getting old [14:03] she's like 7 years [14:03] there is a steroidal cream that will stop the skin inflammation though [14:03] it's like cortisone for cats and dogs [14:03] probably is cortisone [14:04] it's gross ic an't stand looking at her bald tail [14:04] all bony [14:04] she's a long hair [14:04] nix_chix0r: my cat is 18 [14:04] wow [14:04] barely legal [14:04] bahahahha [14:04] if you want the barely legal pussy..go for it [14:05] nix_chix0r, i use to know someone who, uhh, got their pussy shaved in the summer, it was a long haired cat too and they didn't shave the head, tail, or legs [14:05] that cat looked funny... [14:05] edman007, i was thinking of having the groomers do that [14:06] shaved pussy highlight *beep* [14:06] Action: ataxic pays attention [14:06] she just looks retarded bald in spots [14:06] shave that pussy and give it the cream [14:06] that will clear it all up [14:06] Action: ataxic shivers [14:07] oh man i almost spewed tea all over my laptop and i was even the one who typed that one [14:07] :) [14:08] thats where my thoughts were nullboy :D [14:08] lol [14:08] cool [14:08] Action: ataxic steps back into the shadow [14:08] nullboy, wana give me a hand [14:09] shaving pussies is my specialty. i have the clippers [14:09] cats are a pain when yu want to apply anything on them if they are in medical need [14:09] you just gotta man handle [14:09] all they want is scratch the hell out of you and run + hide [14:09] use one had the hold it down and the other to rub [14:09] i would rather take her to the groomers and pay 30bucks [14:09] let them deal with her [14:10] i'm shit at that, we had to bath the cats once or twice [14:10] cats look so pathetic when you get them wet [14:10] i can give her baths no problem, but i'm sure if i tried the clipper approach she would freak [14:10] like a wet feather duster in a sling shot [14:10] Kerio2004 (n=Port@89.5.57.91) left irc: [14:11] nullboy: wet pussies are the best kind [14:11] don't we know it [14:11] and the meow that comes out of them is smt very evil at our place (+ the look makes is quite funny while they are distressed) [14:11] i feel for them, but sometimes it got to be done [14:11] nullboy, bf wants to do it today [14:11] i said can we use the clippers [14:11] he's like yeah! [14:12] i don't own cats but one the funniest things i've ever seen is the whole hair ball hacking up process [14:12] now that is epic [14:12] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h104-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:12] we're gona get the clippers out but i dont know where to do it the tub maybe [14:12] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:13] theres a wiki on it [14:14] rAWjAW (n=rAWjAW@unaffiliated/rawjaw) joined ##slackware. [14:18] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left ##slackware. [14:19] hi [14:20] hi [14:20] is there way in slackware [14:20] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [14:20] l4m4_m4n (n=l4m4m4n@83.218.195.61) left irc: "Leaving" [14:20] to install only new packages [14:20] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.202.23) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:20] similar to upgradepkg but not preinstalling existing [14:21] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left ##slackware. [14:21] slackpkg has an install-new flag I think [14:21] oh... no with slackpkg, because packages are on my drive [14:22] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-18-60-58.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [14:22] you can do "upgradepkg --install-new" to install new packages or upgrade them if they're already there [14:23] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:23] i want to make 'reversed' upgradepkg [14:23] you want to downggrade? [14:23] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [14:23] no,... uh (it`s difficult to tell) [14:24] for ex.: installpkg --install-if-not-exists a.tgz b.tgz c.tgz [14:24] yes, that's what upgrade --install-new *.tgz does [14:24] but on my system is have only b.tgz, and this command will install only a.tgz and c.tgz [14:24] That would be upgradepkg --install-new [14:24] ? [14:25] it will install the ones you don't have and upgrade the one you do have [14:25] alienBOB, yes but will upgrade and existing [14:25] e01: ? [14:25] but I don`t want upgade, only to install not installed [14:25] Please improve the english sentence [14:25] if you only want to deal with a particular file just apply upgradepkg to that file [14:26] upgradepkg will leave every package alone that is _already_ installed e01 [14:26] Upgradepkg will report "skipping already installed package 'b'" [14:26] that is, without the --install-new flag i mentioned [14:26] alienBOB, are you sure? [14:27] e01: yes [14:27] i have different memoryes from this [14:27] hm.. will try [14:27] e01, wait [14:27] Well if your set of packages contains NEVER versions of what you have installed, it _will_ upgrade to those newer versions [14:28] aaaaaa [14:28] alienBOB is assuming that b.tgz is the same verison as the b you have installed [14:28] yep [14:28] hm.. [14:28] which might not be the case [14:28] there is no way to recursively scan through and install new stuff without upgrading [14:28] it seems that this isn`t usefull for me now [14:29] how many tgz files do you have there, e01? [14:29] am.. don`t know how exacly [14:29] i want to install kde4 from testing [14:29] but don`t wont to upgrade my exiting packages if they available in my system [14:29] e01: then use the upgrade _script_ that you have for the KDE4 upgrade [14:30] because some of them i was compiled with special options [14:30] i seem to recall that kde3 packages and kde4 packages can't coexist in the same system [14:30] i haven`t kde3 [14:30] ah, ok [14:30] i have xfce from svn [14:30] :) [14:30] If you install kde4 it will leave alone your xfce stuff [14:31] I still advise you to run the script /testing/packages/kde4/remove-kde3.sh [14:31] e01, just make sure you follow the instructions in the README file [14:31] Because some of the packages you _must_ remove are part of the "l" series, they are not found in "kde" [14:32] Then you can "cd /testing/packages/kde4/ ; installpkg */*.tgz" and it will install all of KDE4, dependencies and extragear [14:33] Well a better command would be this: [14:33] fAu (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) left irc: "42" [14:33] Run "cd /testing/packages/kde4/ ; upgradepkg --install-new */*.tgz" [14:33] toodiesel (n=toodiese@cpe-071-068-082-019.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:33] i am ready with README [14:33] In case you already have some of the dependencies installed [14:34] does anyone mind helping me with expect? [14:34] :) now will continue with breaking my system :) [14:34] i'm trying to set a variable to whatever /bin/date returns [14:34] toodiesel: depends - if anyone here is familiar with expect, _then_ you may get help [14:34] aight [14:35] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:35] alienBOB: and only if the people who are familiar with expect are feeling like helping. [14:35] ! [14:36] haha [14:36] well, i'll just blurt out my question: [14:36] i'm trying to do something like set TODAY=`/bin/date` [14:36] but the syntax is incorrect [14:36] :) i havent existing packages expect libxklavier :) [14:37] so i tried spawn export TODAY=`/bin/date` [14:37] but that was incorrect also [14:37] Is this in bash, zsh, csh, ksh? [14:37] bash [14:38] toodiesel: instead of spawn or export or set, in bash just put: "TODAY=`/bin/date`" (w/o quotes) and try it [14:38] then, echo $TODAY [14:38] yeah, that works [14:39] TODAY=$(/bin/date) is better. ;) [14:39] pedant [14:39] :P [14:39] quite possibly. still true though. :P [14:39] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [14:39] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:39] i guess i'm super weak at shell scripting, can i declare #!/bin/bash in my script, then redeclare #!/usr/bin/export -- later in the script ? [14:39] BP{k}: I didn't say you were wrong. [14:40] or do i just separate the scripts [14:40] into two files [14:40] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:41] i'm getting gigs off craigslist [14:41] this is great [14:41] gigs ? [14:41] toodiesel: uhm #!/usr/bin/export <-- what the heck is that. [14:41] export is a command line utility that can interact with interactive command line utilities [14:42] i hope that makes sense [14:42] it's a tool that allows you to program for interactive shell programs [14:43] hmm got a link or so for that programs homepage? (considering it is not part of slackware) [14:43] its an editor ? [14:43] it is part of slackware [14:43] no [14:43] toodiesel: no it is not. really ... [14:43] oops, sorry [14:43] i mistypes [14:43] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.157.152) joined ##slackware. [14:43] it's expect [14:43] not export [14:43] i apologize [14:44] aha - that makes a lot more sense [14:44] export is the way you declare variables [14:44] toodiesel: yeah and a bash shell builtin. [14:45] typically variables are exported without a script [14:45] within* [14:45] toodiesel: and no, AFAIK you can't. you would have to make a bash script that calls the script with expect. (so two seperate files) [14:45] ok, thanks BP{k} [14:47] BP{k}: you can do #!/path/to/expect [14:47] BP{k}: ... though I think you need the -f option as well [14:48] rk4n3: yes you can. however that was not what he asked. [14:49] tuvok302-a (i=vircuser@h104-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:49] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h104-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:49] rk4n3: he asked if he coule make a script with #!/bin/bash and later down in the script use #!/usr/bin/expect -f (ie in the same script) [14:49] BP{k}: ah, I missed that part [14:50] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl9-165-205.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:50] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.202.23) joined ##slackware. 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[15:01] thanks in advance. [15:02] You'd upgradepkg it.. not installpkg it [15:02] if that's what you mean. [15:02] oh. [15:03] Dominian: I remember changelog stated it works like qt4, alongside the other [15:03] [...] Like qt4, this package will peacefully coexist with Slackware's python package. [15:03] it should slot itself fine [15:04] i'd like them side by side for now. [15:04] to /usr/lib/python-3.0 or whatever [15:04] blkdg: they will install side by side. [15:04] toodiesel | BP{k} : the effect could be approximated with a call to /usr/bin/expect -< thanks again. [15:04] toodiesel | BP{k} : (sorry for the delay, I'm at work ...) [15:05] rk4n3: not that much of a delay ;) still well within a day/hour ;) [15:05] BP{k}: haha :) [15:07] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [15:15] mtu (n=mbueker@dslb-088-071-030-024.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. 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[15:30] heh [15:31] actually, if you install kde4 from /testing, it's in there, too [15:31] kama (n=kama@87.19.116.251) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:33] Meh. I have little interest in kde4. [15:33] I'm happy to use kde apps but I prefer a light window manager and no desktop environment... thing. [15:34] mooglenorph: i'm running an exact environment as you describe on my server [15:34] a window manager on your server? [15:34] it's a blackbox window manager with XFE file manager and ktorrent [15:34] yea, i'm remote operating it with VNC [15:34] mooglenorph: what do you use as wm? [15:34] BP{k}, stumpWM [15:35] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: No route to host [15:35] I like it because it's easy to hack while it's running. [15:35] (it's in common lisp, so you can just re-evaluate code changes and go) [15:35] ah cool .will look at that after food [15:35] (also, they're nice enough to help me make my patches acceptable) [15:36] well, being nice sets them apart from the fluxbox crew for what it's worth [15:36] CL projects tend to be pretty nice, I've found. [15:37] I never tried to patch/hack on fluxbox, back when I used it. [15:37] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:38] Partially because it wouldn't really benefit from much that I could do, partially because I'm not a fan of C++ [15:39] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) joined ##slackware. [15:40] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) left ##slackware. [15:41] Andymeows (n=andy@c-66-41-202-39.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[15:57] cat is shaved sucessfully :) [15:57] she sat through the whole ordeal just fine [15:57] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:59] kestrel (n=will@67.106.9.142.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [16:01] cat | shave [16:01] initself1 (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:02] shaved everything but her head so she looks like a little lion [16:03] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h104-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:05] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0EB3C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [16:05] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) left irc: "Leaving" [16:06] spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) joined ##slackware. [16:08] nix_chix0r, pic [16:08] i will when shes dry [16:09] i have a very fat maine coon [16:10] LnxSlck, check this outhttp://imagesforum.doctissimo.fr/mesimages/1411940/ny-maine-coon3.jpg [16:13] alfo (i=alf@g224246126.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:15] nix_chix0r, that is one big cat [16:16] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.104.169) left irc: "Saindo" [16:16] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [16:21] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@89.214.204.169) joined ##slackware. [16:24] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:26] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:27] deLusion__ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:28] somealias (n=ed@92.0.223.248) joined ##slackware. [16:28] Hello [16:28] What's the package that makes QT apps appear beautifully in GNOME and XFCE as if they were GTK? [16:29] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-9c425226f18f002f) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:29] somealias: it is called qgtkstyle and it went into QT, will be a part of it since release 4.5 [16:30] Nick change: tal__br00 -> br00tal [16:30] I see. I had it on OpenSUSE and it was lovely. [16:30] Nick change: br00tal -> kjdfng [16:30] you can checkout from their svn until then: http://labs.trolltech.com/page/Projects/Styles/GtkStyle [16:30] Nick change: kjdfng -> br00tal [16:31] Nick change: br00tal -> Gigan [16:31] wekfb (n=flmkanfk@201009224063.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:31] nooper (n=nooper@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "There is no spoon" [16:31] Gigan (n=br00tal@66-188-149-192.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:31] aew alquem manja do " sed -i " ? [16:32] wekfb: english please? :> [16:32] ops sorry [16:32] j #slackware-br [16:32] heh [16:32] wekfb: no idea what you said, but -i should change it inline/inplace, not print the output to stdout [16:32] nooper (i=nooper@anapnea.net) joined ##slackware. [16:33] ananke, i needed change in bootup net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0 from net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 [16:33] br00tal (n=br00tal@66-188-149-192.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:34] ananke, sorry [16:34] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120121]" [16:34] anrxc, i needed change in bootup net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0 from net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 [16:34] ? [16:35] so, sed -i whould edit the file in question directly, are you in need for a sed line that would do the actual changing? [16:35] value 0 to 1 [16:35] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h104-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:35] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h104-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:35] U-Neeks (n=666@200-163-13-36.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [16:36] anrxc, line 7 = net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0 change to value = 1 [16:37] wekfb: sed -i '7s|= 0|= 1|' /some/path/somefile [16:37] humm thx i'm try [16:37] without the line number, you would ofcourse need to expand that match [16:38] Hmm, my sound doesn't seem to be working [16:38] anrxc, well well well thx very much [16:38] ÿ'No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.' [16:38] perfecly :-) [16:38] Yeah thanks anrxc [16:38] paypal [16:39] :-) [16:41] anrxc, ;-* [16:41] glad to be of service, somealias is gstreamer a part of slackware now? (i use a little older release) [16:42] wekfb (n=flmkanfk@201009224063.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Saindo" [16:42] yes, kde4 uses gstreamer :) [16:42] and the new xfce will need it too [16:43] i can't stand that abstraction of sound on linux, when something sux they just write another layer on top of it to address the issue... i was lucky enough not to deal with gstreamer, pulseaudio and the rest by now [16:43] tru dat. plain old alsa will do. [16:44] whereas 'old' means 'too new for aidacity to finally adopt it' [16:44] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [16:44] somealias (n=ed@92.0.223.248) left irc: "Leaving." [16:45] i hear good things of oss4, most interesting to me is that everyone report "so much louder sound" - from their tiny laptop speakers [16:45] hi i'm running slackware 12.2 and i've built a package for python 3.0 from slackbuilds. i cannot import tkinter from python 3.0. the slackbuilds script used this: [16:45] http://www.python.org/ftp/python/3.0/Python-3.0.tar.bz2 [16:45] as source [16:46] any ideas as to why the mod. is missing? or unlinked? [16:46] um, wait, i just realized i'm in the wrong # [16:47] still, a volume boost for my lappie speakers would be nice ;) [16:47] thanks anyhow [16:47] blkdg (n=chatzill@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware. [16:48] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.202.23) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:48] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.202.23) joined ##slackware. [16:53] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) joined ##slackware. [16:54] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-aa40ce767336ed18) joined ##slackware. [16:55] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@wifi.utc.utc4.k12.me.us) joined ##slackware. [16:55] Hey [16:55] fatalnix is here.. [16:55] to save the day:) [16:58] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@wifi.utc.utc4.k12.me.us) left irc: "leaving" [17:04] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [17:07] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [17:10] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:11] rAWjAW (n=rAWjAW@unaffiliated/rawjaw) left irc: "Leaving." [17:12] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h104-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:12] mooglenorph: you should make a slackbuild for stumpwm and submit it to SBo :) [17:12] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:13] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "I am Joe's quit message." [17:13] josemanuel (n=josemanu@148.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [17:14] http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/23/207212 sweet!!! [17:14] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] Pig_Pen: Coders are being laid off and you believe that's sweet? [17:15] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@wifi.utc.utc4.k12.me.us) joined ##slackware. [17:16] hey [17:16] they will get another job, fuck microsoft i hope MS does the crash & burn [17:16] zenzelezz (n=zenzelez@95.34.76.240.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [17:16] highly unlikely. [17:17] i lost jobs before, what did i do? i went out and looked for and got another job [17:17] my highly unlike was in reference to the fact that microsoft will crash and burn. not that the programmers will get other jobs [17:19] ah, but it is nice to see microsoft feeling the pinch, after years of being the bully 800 pound gorilla (the bigger they are the harder they fall) [17:20] MS has *tons* of money in the bank, I believe the measurement is "a metrick fuckton" [17:20] arny (n=arny@79.119.151.218) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:20] FaUl (i=immo@shell.chaostreff-dortmund.de) left ##slackware (""mooo""). [17:21] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-166-69-205.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:22] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:22] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-aa40ce767336ed18) left irc: Client Quit [17:24] dguitar (n=dguitar@unaffiliated/dguitar) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [17:24] bono (i=bono@118-160-168-113.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:24] dguitar (n=dguitar@unaffiliated/dguitar) joined ##slackware. [17:26] Do any of you send/recieve e-mail using a terminal instead of a GUI? [17:26] ccfreak2k: yes [17:26] Better question: how would I go about scripting something to send an e-mail when some event happens? [17:26] initself1 (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:27] zenzelezz (n=zenzelez@95.34.76.240.customer.cdi.no) left ##slackware ("Nothing is ever accomplished by a reasonable man"). [17:27] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:28] jerojasr1 (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) joined ##slackware. [17:28] ccfreak2k: bash? [17:29] well depends what the event is but you could use bash or another type of scripting language [17:29] Well duh. [17:29] But, how would I actually script it to compose and send the message? [17:29] is there a way to get kmail to keep sent and received of the same subject in the same thread? instead of separate folders, if not what email clients do this? i know google's email client does. [17:29] ccfreak2k: you can use mail command... google how to send email with it [17:30] sent and received mail of the same subject* [17:30] jonsmith1982: somewhere in the properties of folders, there's an option "keep replies in this folder", which prevents them from being saved in Sent Messages [17:30] mtu, thanks. [17:32] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [17:37] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) left irc: Connection timed out [17:37] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [17:42] Nick change: Akuma0n3 -> Akuma [17:42] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:45] will next release be 13.0 or 14.0 ? [17:45] who knows. [17:45] jerojasr1 (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) left irc: "leaving" [17:45] :) [17:45] P4C0: keep an eye on the changelog and you'll see. [17:46] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-49cf0a88250eef29) joined ##slackware. [17:46] why would it be 14.0? [17:46] the paint on 12.2 is just barely dry, it still has that new car smell :D [17:46] Is there another release planned already? [17:46] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@201.244.188.98) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:46] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [17:47] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) left irc: [17:47] It must be 12.34567890 as the next release [17:47] time to go, see you [17:47] P4C0 (n=pcuser@200.124.22.34) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [17:47] alienBOB: I was expecting 12.14159... [17:47] what for? it is just great :) [17:47] err, that doesn't work... [17:48] heh. :) [17:49] Fake e-mail headers are fun. [17:49] Is it LaTeX that increments their version numbers by decimal places of Pi? [17:49] eviljames: latex 2e approximates e [17:50] Reminds me of this: http://xkcd.com/verizon/ [17:50] stanza_ (n=stanza@host107-13-dynamic.32-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:50] hi all u guys [17:50] need some help please [17:50] What's this about a new release? [17:50] with a fresh minimal installation [17:50] stanza_: help #1: use the "enter" key less often. [17:50] rworkman: haha yeah, I saw that before... [17:50] erizoe: nothing, move along now .. nothing to see. all is well. [17:51] got an error on xorg first running: could not open default font 'fixed' is a fatal error that prevents xorg server startup.. any hint? [17:51] Yes. Don't do minimal installations that require X. [17:51] bpK: How can i trust you? [17:52] erizoe: he's right. Is that good enough? [17:52] :) [17:52] yes, thank you channel. [17:52] rworkman: is it possible i forgot a package? [17:52] stanza_: yes. [17:52] stanza_: It's almost 100% certain [17:54] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] wotcha andarius :) [17:54] wotcha BP{k} :) [17:54] greetings and salutations to the rest of you ;) [17:55] "so mr. hydrogen, are you sure you've lost your electron?" - "i'm positive!" [17:56] Action: eviljames slaps his knee [17:56] awesome. [17:56] got one for the collider engineers: [17:57] "so your doctor really insisted on using his own digital detector for the cavity search?" [17:57] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) joined ##slackware. [17:57] Well, folks, that was the mtu show! Be sure to tip your waitress, mtu will be here all week! [17:57] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Success [17:57] YESH [17:58] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.16.254) joined ##slackware. [17:58] i'll be telling the story about my ups and downs with that charming stranger on top of me at the bottom of the car [17:59] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:01] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] martian67 (i=lol3izer@about/linux/regular/martian67) left irc: "gone" [18:03] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: "Gameover" [18:03] Charles2 (n=charles@adsl-65-88-161.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.16.254) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:03] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [18:04] mtu, is that some kind of physics humor? [18:04] the worst kind [18:04] martian67 (i=lol3izer@about/linux/regular/martian67) joined ##slackware. [18:04] It was a bit strange. [18:04] ccfreak2k: that line was based on the fact that there are six known types of quarks: up, down, charm, strange, top and bottom [18:04] Oh wait you already used strange. [18:05] Yes. [18:05] Charles2 (n=charles@adsl-65-88-161.owb.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [18:06] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:11] mtu: Oh god. [18:11] mtu: I just came back to re-read about the up/down/charmed etc... I hate you. [18:11] Organizm (n=lane@c-69-243-237-4.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:12] i know, it's so sad [18:13] mtu, i got some nasty classes this semester, electro magnetic theory, its all maxwells equations, and a statistics/probability class [18:13] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h104-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:14] Action: edman007 lets mtu do some of the math [18:14] thats way over my head [18:14] nix_chix0r, haha [18:14] edman007: eh, yeah, i'm in the middle of electrodynamics lecture. don't understand very much. statistical physics is up next semester [18:15] but particle and nuclear physics rocked my world [18:15] you two are crazy [18:15] sladegen (n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) joined ##slackware. [18:15] Is expect still considered a useful tool? [18:15] nix_chix0r, for the statistics class the guy is skipping slides and flying through the material, basicall claiming its so easy that its not worth covering [18:15] yeah but edman007 what are you going for like what's your degree [18:16] ccfreak2k: It still is part of nearly every base distribution, so I think yes. [18:16] and he is a math guy, and is very into math, so much so that he does not believe in curving grades because then the numbers can't be compared to other semesters [18:16] nix_chix0r, electrical and computer engineering [18:16] edman007, are you indian? [18:16] Organizm (n=lane@c-69-243-237-4.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] lol [18:17] no? [18:17] hahaha [18:17] Action: eviljames is doing math/compsci, I'm sure there are people who expect me to be Indian as well. [18:18] North Americans (USA in particular) are not so hot on the sciences.. [18:18] funny thing is my school has a lot of Indian people..especially grad students [18:18] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [18:18] edman007, couple months after i have the baby i'm gona fly to NY and go shopping [18:18] you can be my tour guide again [18:18] eviljames, which makes defense contractors soo good, they can only higher US citizens [18:18] especially if i can go to ruby tuesdays and nom on the salad bar [18:18] nix_chix0r, lol, that one sucked [18:19] edman007: Well, I don't want to work in USA's DoD so I'll keep myCanadian citizenship :) [18:19] yeah i went to a better one in minneapolis [18:19] eviljames, yea, but i'm looking at jobs and they have a shitload of openings compared to everyone else [18:19] but the pot pie was good [18:20] lol [18:20] Action: alienBOB read 'pot pee' [18:20] edman007: Interesting, but maybe indicative that I'm not the only person out there who doesn't want the sum total of their efforts to be the simultaneous killing of thousands (or more) [18:20] anyways, this semester i actually can take classes on Manhattan, and i'm probably going to do that to help with this 4 hour gap i have between classes right now [18:20] Action: andarius read "poo pie" :( [18:21] andarius, alienBOB weirdos [18:21] Action: edman007 combines it to make poopie [18:21] Action: andarius accepts that title [18:21] i have never claimed normalcy [18:22] eviljames, yea...but they pay [18:22] stanza_ (n=stanza@host107-13-dynamic.32-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "leaving" [18:22] andarius is prarie doggin it and that lady from you are what you eat is eagerly waiting to collect his poo [18:22] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:22] i would like a california bacon cheese burger and curly fries [18:22] dguitar (n=dguitar@unaffiliated/dguitar) left irc: [18:22] nix_chix0r, go get one [18:22] nix_chix0r: That was the highlight of my day.. my gf *loves* you are what you eat [18:22] nix_chix0r: thanks for the chuckles ;) [18:22] you will have to forgive me as that made no sense :| [18:23] haw [18:23] nah i want him to go get it.:P it's gona be 40below soon [18:23] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@190.148.92.4) joined ##slackware. [18:23] andarius: you are what you eat is a show from the UK, near the beginning the host demands that the subjects poo and then examin their poo to show how bad their diet is. [18:23] that translates to holyshitbercold [18:24] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@190.148.92.4) left irc: Client Quit [18:24] nix_chix0r: Where? -40 sucks, but it is worse if you're in a humid country. [18:24] andarius, 10minutes in that with skin exposed. insta frostbite [18:24] eviljames: i would have to say those who did it are crazy [18:24] nix_chix0r: i have been in such weather. i shall note there is a reason i live in GA :) [18:24] andarius: I won't debate you on that point. However, it does make for an effective and disgusting demonstration. [18:25] i am sure :) [18:25] yeah yeah i'm moving out of minnesota eventually [18:26] I didn't know Minnesota got that cold.. How often does that happen? [18:26] Minnesota is Canada's next door neighbor [18:26] no one knows, all who went to check are dead from the cold :o [18:26] Canada is Americas Hat [18:26] yeah it is total bollocks here in the winter [18:27] nix_chix0r, it was 45 today [18:27] 63 :) [18:27] the USA is Canada's Mexico :D [18:27] ;o [18:27] heatwave 20and above [18:27] i wore shorts at 35 [18:27] evenin' [18:27] Action: edman007 waves [18:28] Pig_Pen: hahah yes, that's better. The USA is Canada's Mexico! [18:28] Action: eviljames comes from the great north wilderness. [18:28] -35 or -40 C can stretch on for weeks at a time. [18:28] Some places will hit -60, 2 minutes exposure until frostbite. [18:28] i am a southern boy, i put on long underware when it gets below 40 [18:29] haha baby has the hiccups he's bashing his head on my belly button [18:29] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-49cf0a88250eef29) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:30] there is a spanish speaking pirate radio playing english rock & roll on 6870Khz AM [18:30] people think i'm crazy because i don't wear a coat until the windchill is less than -10'F or so... [18:30] make that 6970 [18:30] Pig_Pen, the pirate bay? [18:30] shortwave radio [18:30] I can send email with sendmail, but I cannot receive it.. popa3d is running. local-host-names includes the hostname for the machine that matches "hostname -f". What am I overlooking? [18:30] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:31] sendmail should die [18:31] postfix FTW! [18:31] Anyone else? [18:32] /join #sendmail [18:32] edman007: Agreed! [18:32] i can haz postfix? [18:32] lol [18:32] infernal_jesus: Does the mail make it to the spooler? [18:32] i use postfix as well + webmin [18:32] infernal_jesus: Rather, does sendmail actually send and popa3d not, or does sendmail fail to send in the first place? [18:33] eviljames, I can send e-mail. [18:33] When I send it to user@mydomain I don't get it. [18:33] :P [18:33] of course you looked into logs... [18:33] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-45037f61777c6838) joined ##slackware. [18:34] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left ##slackware. [18:34] Have you told sendmail that yourdomain should be considered local infernal_jesus? [18:34] alienBOB, how do I do that? :D [18:34] Wait.. [18:34] What do you mean by local? :P [18:34] hahaha [18:34] infernal_jesus: time to hit the books :) [18:34] not remote or far away [18:35] opt9 (n=user@59.7.205.138) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:35] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:35] alienBOB, ahoy there [18:35] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [18:35] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:36] Action: tewmten has been messing around with music mixing programs.. [18:36] infernal_jesus: /etc/mail/local-host-names should contain the host names of email addresses sendmail should consider local (for local delivery) [18:36] LnxSlck: yo ho [18:36] crazy dancefloor banging pill-music :P [18:36] And a bottle pf Port which is near empty [18:36] c0nflict (i=500@134-102.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:36] alienBOB, I did that. [18:36] anyone familar with kerberos (on unix) and its interaction with windos SSO? just asking in the dark... [18:37] i heard you can do kerberos auth with samba3 [18:37] if that's what your after.. [18:37] alienBOB, that's from my country [18:37] I run kerberos here but not for Windows [18:37] ok [18:37] alienBOB, i'll send you one bottle if you like it [18:37] LnxSlck: portuguese? [18:37] alienBOB, yeap [18:37] Great :-) [18:38] alienBOB, my father also makes port wine [18:38] tewmten: right... and how is windos OS compatibility. i guess it should work with w2k3 by now but how about w2k8? [18:38] Port and sherry, epecially sherry, are never far away from me [18:38] alienBOB, if you ever had port wine, there's a chance you drank grapes stepped by me [18:38] lol [18:38] port is good :) [18:38] I am drinking port right now, only because I did not want sherry tonight LnxSlck [18:38] mtu (n=mbueker@dslb-088-071-030-024.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [18:39] alienBOB, =) [18:39] I got a nice bottle here , some cheapo port and we have a bottle of really old port in our wine rack. [18:39] alienBOB, you should try Moscatel.. it's even better [18:39] there are lots of wineries in California where Pat V. lives when i was driving an 18 wheeler i used to pick up wine from northern Calif. [18:39] BP{k}, you too [18:39] Too sweet wine LnxSlck [18:39] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:39] alienBOB, have you ever tried it? [18:39] LnxSlck: moscatel == muscat? [18:39] BP{k}, maybe.. not sure [18:39] sladegen: what I read is that suse had some tools and have it working with win2k8 [18:40] if so, I've had it :) [18:40] BP{k}, it's a little like port but sweeter [18:40] LnxSlck: the port I have is no-name, good for my sore throat (officially recovering from flu) but I like the Manzanilla sherry a lot more [18:40] sladegen: Im a bit on the hunt for something like that myself.. [18:40] LnxSlck: yeah I think I had the french variety :) [18:40] BP{k}, the one from my hometown is the best of the world [18:40] Really? [18:40] alienBOB, the real port is great [18:40] Real port is great, agreed [18:41] tewmten: ok, thanks for input. i'm asking because of some project to port apache spnego module... anyway(tm). [18:41] alienBOB, yes. they win the gold medal at the italian contest [18:41] ok [18:41] Heh, that is good. Your family's business? [18:41] LnxSlck: I just checked, the bottle of port we have stored is a "croft 1977" :) [18:41] alienBOB, i mean.. the international wine contest [18:41] BP{k}, that's a nice one [18:41] BP{k}, it's made in the region i live [18:42] tewmten: downloading beta release of w2k8R2 now.... to perhaps mess with that mess "personally"-) [18:42] LnxSlck: :) nice :) [18:42] Any ideas how to fix "access denied" when trying to print FROM Vista to a CUPS pritner on Slack via SMB ? [18:42] :D [18:42] alienBOB, well my familly always made wine and other stuff [18:42] v4nelle (n=van@adsl24-101.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:42] FriedBob: Enable swat, then http://server:901/ :) [18:42] sladegen: this might be of intrest maybe, http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-integrate-windows-active-directory-and-samba-in-ubuntu.html [18:43] written for ubuntu but whatever.. [18:43] FriedBob: I print like that regularly in the house lan here. [18:43] Does it always give that error or just sometimes [18:43] alienBOB, BP{k} : you can see here where the Port is made: http://viajar.clix.pt/fotos/ffoto.php?f=886&l=400 [18:44] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.151.89) joined ##slackware. [18:44] tewmten: thkx, they did mention ubuntu anyway, heh. slackware? what's that? [18:44] sladegen: hehe [18:44] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.157.152) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:44] alienBOB: Always. I can see the printer from XP, Mac and Vista, have it added in all, but can't print from Vista . XP box is flaky ATM, so haven't tried. [18:44] Nick change: SlackNeo_ -> SlackNeo [18:44] nooper (i=nooper@anapnea.net) left irc: "brb" [18:44] LnxSlck: _nice_ surroundings [18:44] alienBOB, yep [18:45] LnxSlck: so uhm ... kethry and I can come and stay .. right? ;) [18:45] nooper (i=nooper@anapnea.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.11) left irc: [18:45] BP{k}, yes.. it's great for holidays [18:45] BP{k}, and if you like wine.. even better [18:45] FriedBob: any clues in the samba log file for that computer? And try setting a higher loglevel in cupsd.conf [18:45] LnxSlck: I do. among others ;) [18:45] is it normal for servers to require my publickey for me to be able to commit to svn? [18:46] jonsmith1982: sometimes [18:46] BP{k}, =) http://images.activehotels.com/images/hotel/max300/752/752707.jpg [18:46] LnxSlck: you run that hotel surely ;-) [18:46] alienBOB, no... i wish [18:46] Haha [18:46] ME too [18:46] alienBOB, it's just for you to see what is this like [18:47] I am totally convinced that I should live there when I retire [18:47] sladegen: yeah well I dont mind ubuntu, I use it at work so.. =) [18:47] Maybe earlier [18:47] when i create the publickey it has == myusername@darkstar would i include this along with the key? [18:47] alienBOB, http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3172/2462520738_dec3c5a5a9_o.jpg [18:47] jonsmith1982: yes [18:47] ok thanks. [18:47] alienBOB, it's great if you like calm living [18:48] LnxSlck: is that from where you live? [18:48] LnxSlck: that hillside looks so empty [18:48] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [18:48] BP{k}, near [18:48] tewmten: me neither, if i only could not mind windows... [18:48] LnxSlck: damm you :P [18:48] Hehe [18:48] alienBOB: A lot of write failures in lib/util_sock.c:get_peer_addr [18:48] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl116-134.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:48] alienBOB, not much there.. just the wine things... and some houses [18:49] sladegen: as long as I dont have to support windows Im pretty alrite with it :D [18:49] BP{k}, lol... that's near my hometown.. i'm not there now [18:49] This is in the samba.ip for both the Vista and XP box [18:50] FriedBob: your local name resolving is OK? All hosts can find each other? [18:50] LnxSlck: I ran across this property the other day .. now to only win the lottery: http://tinyurl.com/bcl345 ;) [18:50] BP{k}, good luck with that [18:50] When I browse the network I can see FriedServer (Slack), FriedWin (XP) and if my mac is on, FriedMac( OS X) [18:51] BP{k}, then we can change and have holidays in both countries [18:52] LnxSlck: hehe, well my parents already have a piece of land in France and recently bought a house in germany (just over the border with the Netherlands) [18:52] andarius: Taking my wife out for a date. BBL [18:52] Tcl's "set" syntax is a little bit more confusing than I'd hoped. [18:52] BP{k}, that's so nice [18:52] yeah, tcl is a little confusing [18:53] i'm never sure if its too simple or too complicated [18:54] Oh, apparently expect doesn't want comments on the same line. [18:55] LnxSlck: yeah, both places need a bit of work though but they are nice, quiet and since my parents like wine .. amply stocked ;) [18:55] BP{k}, that would be such a good place to rest [18:56] BP{k}, france has some of the best wines in the world [18:56] Arauto (n=leandro@201.17.173.143) left irc: "Saindo" [18:56] s/some of// [18:56] :D [18:56] biased! ;) [18:57] only a tiny bit ;p [18:57] the other bit is Lebanese ;) [18:57] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:58] california bacon cheeseburger and fries on it's way to may house whut whut [18:59] FriedBob: umm, ok ?? [18:59] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@wifi.utc.utc4.k12.me.us) left irc: "leaving" [18:59] andarius: he meant alienBOB [18:59] Action: andarius thinks tab complete +1 [19:00] -1 [19:00] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [19:00] why would tab complete loose a point? [19:00] tab complete 1: FriedBob 0 [19:01] nix_chix0r, are you actually IN California? [19:01] because it can't complete a thought for me. [19:01] nope [19:01] :| [19:01] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-351793.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:01] lol [19:01] why does lettuce and tomato make it a californian burger [19:01] that should be a standard topping [19:01] cause people in cali are odd [19:01] fags [19:01] some yes [19:02] Hey, I live in California you insensitive clod! [19:02] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-351793.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:02] Also I don't think lettuce and tomato make it a Californian burger. [19:02] ccfreak2k, and i am the lorax i speak for the trees [19:02] In fact, I've yet to see such a California burger. [19:03] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:03] alfo (i=alf@g226091148.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [19:03] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@wifi.utc.utc4.k12.me.us) joined ##slackware. [19:04] Hey [19:04] waffle [19:05] sitwon_ (n=adam@pool-71-178-216-228.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:05] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [19:06] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@89.214.204.169) left irc: "Slackware GNU/Linux - World domination is a click away!" [19:08] alfo2 (i=alf@g226091148.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [19:08] mmm, waffle burgers ;) [19:09] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [19:10] okibisan (i=1000@24-151-173-192.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:10] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:10] California is a cool place, i tend to like the mountains & deserts, and the beaches & salt water fishing, just dont go in to the big city ghettos [19:11] alfo2 (i=alf@g226091148.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Client Quit [19:11] good idea :) [19:12] alfo2 (i=alf@g226091148.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [19:13] The|Back| (n=backdoor@41.22.245.36) joined ##slackware. [19:14] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-026-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [19:14] alfo2 (i=alf@g226091148.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Client Quit [19:14] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.8.3.102) joined ##slackware. [19:15] kestrel (n=will@67.106.9.142.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:15] sitwon (n=adam@pool-71-163-13-94.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:15] alfo2 (i=alf@g226091148.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [19:18] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "I am Joe's quit message." [19:19] but neither the username nor nick are joe :| [19:19] damn imposters [19:19] alfo3 (i=alf@g226091148.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [19:19] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] hello [19:19] kestrel (n=will@67.106.9.142.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] ello [19:20] The config file of my konqueror must be seriously screwed up [19:20] Well probably not that seriously [19:20] But the menus and toolbars are all over the place [19:20] How can I get the sensible one back? [19:21] use Midnight Commander and look around in ~/.kde/share/config (konqueror related files) [19:21] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [19:21] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:22] And uh [19:22] Where can I get a sensible replacement from? [19:22] you could probably just delete the konqueror related files then log out & back in and konqueror should be back to its default settings [19:22] back up and remove the hosed files? [19:22] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:22] i was wondering if anyone knows of a utility or program that can take my directory of FLAC files, rip to mp3 while preserving the data, and also generate an index.html file for use as a web-based "menu" to like a CD or something [19:22] Action: andarius has no kde files/packages so does not know for sure [19:22] Hmm, maybe I should 8use the one from my old .kde [19:22] I'm just scared of some conflicts [19:22] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:23] Will it mess up my bookmarks? [19:23] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [19:23] konqueror bookmarks are in ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/* [19:23] Yeah [19:24] But I'm not used to editing config files [19:24] not used to != incapable of [19:24] you can do it [19:24] I just wouldn't want it to somehow conflict with something else and make the program go insane [19:24] In some mysterious black magick [19:24] programs don't go insane. they lack the capacity :P :) [19:24] meh [19:25] if it is just the ~/.kde dir then you could delete the whole thing and log out and back in and it will get repopulated with a default kde [19:25] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@wifi.utc.utc4.k12.me.us) left irc: "Leaving" [19:25] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [19:25] hence the whole reason to make a backup first [19:25] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) joined ##slackware. [19:25] o/ [19:25] in your home dir (~/) [19:25] lol [19:25] I was trying out this Zenwalk distro [19:25] yeah you should have a regular backup system in place [19:26] i can't tell you how often having a nightly backup has saved my @$$ [19:26] Hehe [19:26] Well I lost a whole hard drive full of data [19:26] Two, actually [19:26] Action: TwinReverb has no sympathy for those who cannot keep backups [19:26] I don't mean I lost 2*500GB, but I lost all the data on each drive [19:26] Hehe [19:27] i dual boot two slackware installs, one is factory stock the way Pat made it and the other is customized by me, i could hose either one and reboot to the other and restore the hosed system in a few minutes [19:27] I had some sort of obsessive distro-tryer disorder... I changed my OS as often as I changed my underwear. [19:27] I plead insanity. [19:27] Pig_Pen, why not just cut an image of the stock distro? [19:27] it's pathetically easy fwiw ... [19:27] i dunno [19:28] put your ~/ on github... [19:28] just install, do all minor known-to-not-break-anything configurations, then xfs image, or even iso9660 image it [19:28] i like the iso9660 idea [19:28] i still have an iso9660 of the stock slack install after first boot iirc [19:28] Hey [19:28] I just did somethin incredibly daft [19:29] >.< [19:29] I used konqueror to change its own config files [19:29] And gah, replacing konquerrc wasn't enough >< [19:29] Is there a way of purging a package like on Debian? [19:30] Pig_Pen, i think it was as easy (in my case) as doing an installpkg --root=/somewhere/else /mnt/cdrom/slackware/*/*.tgz but don't quote me [19:30] would rm /bin/rm be rm committing suicide?? [19:30] Pig_Pen, no [19:30] lol, my friend decided to chmod chmod once [19:31] I say friend... he probably hates me, but hey... [19:31] how did that turn out deepfriedsquirre [19:31] I think it did what you'd expect [19:31] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:31] chmod -x = no more chmodding I guess [19:32] fwiw you can tighten down security on an install easily by using filesystem permissions [19:32] not really. [19:32] aetheria (n=aetheria@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [19:32] Well if that's the case I'd expect it would already have been done... [19:32] tribeca (n=naitso@host221-9-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [19:33] if the user had the rights to chmod chmod it would not matter [19:33] yeah there's no danger in them being able to chmod [19:33] you can't chmod /boot/vmlinuz as a user unless you have ownership / rights to it [19:33] i think you miss understand my statement [19:34] you'll just get "operation not permitted" [19:34] ok, not sure what's going on with slackware's man. i installed it but there was no man.conf in /etc (was one in /usr/lib for some odd reason). man.conf contains "MANPATH /usr/local/share/man" however man pages in there are not being found [19:34] Oh well maybe I got it wrong [19:34] the user who did that had the rights to chmod chmod, making them ... [19:34] I can't remember what he did [19:34] It was justa cague memory [19:34] aetheria, that's because slackware uses /usr/share/man/ [19:34] deepfriedsquirre: if they had root access you likely have it right [19:35] slackware rarely (if ever) uses /usr/local everything is instead at /usr [19:35] But I would think that if you chmodded the execute permission away from chmod, you wouldn't be able to chmod anymore [19:35] Yeah he did [19:35] TwinReverb: umm, did you read my full statement? [19:35] deepfriedsquirre: correct [19:35] in fact i think most the /usr/local is symlinked to /usr in some cases [19:35] I I assume it was his box, anyway [19:35] aetheria, oh so you have man pages in /usr/local/man that are not being found [19:36] and... [19:36] i read it, i guess it sounded to me like your man.conf was misconfigured. my apologies. [19:36] Action: BP{k} thought that slackware used /usr/man/ [19:36] Action: TwinReverb thought so too [19:36] 19:34 < TwinReverb> aetheria, that's because slackware uses /usr/share/man/ [19:36] apparently you did not [19:36] no you didn't. [19:36] regardless of what "it" uses, if you have a MANPATH in the conf file, it should be finding stuff in it [19:37] the issue is that it appears to not be using man.conf [19:37] BP{k}: yup, --with-mandir=/usr/man (i think there is a /usr/share/man but it is a symlink to /usr/man) [19:37] do echo $MANPATH and see what that variable contains now [19:37] only /usr/local/man:/usr/man [19:37] granted mine (stock slackware 12.2) also includes /usr/local/man [19:37] /usr/local/man:/usr/man:/usr/lib/java/man:/usr/share/texmf/man [19:38] epic fail and run [19:38] Action: TwinReverb has no clue but was hoping maybe he could help [19:38] Pig_Pen: I know :) and yes, you care completly right :) [19:38] thanks anyhow TwinReverb [19:38] if you had no clue then you should not have stated something in that fashion. it is missleading and harmfull [19:39] there's not some command to update man or something? [19:39] Action: sladegen sticks a pin into Pat's voodoo doll. [19:39] /var/adm/packages/man-1.6f-i486-1 doesn't list anything that looks like an update command [19:39] Action: TwinReverb sticks a knife in sladegen's :P [19:40] dude! you just delayed the next release :( [19:40] andarius, how am i misleading and harmful? i just said i thought we used /usr/man not /usr/local/man (and i checked to see where my man pages were populated) [19:40] my 12.2 install still has that new car smell :D [19:40] "I think" != "do this" [19:40] Action: hackedhead ponders remote accupuncture via voodoo dolls [19:40] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:40] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-026-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:41] alfo3 (i=alf@g226091148.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Client Quit [19:41] your statement was incorrect and stated in a factful fashion. such things can cause an unknowing user to do things based on false data. which is always bad [19:41] kestrel (n=will@67.106.9.142.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:42] in this case it is minor, but from what i have seen and heard you have a habit of doing it [19:42] alfo2 (i=alf@g226091148.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:42] alfo (i=alf@g226091148.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:42] aetheria: have you tried setting MANPATH in your shell startup files? and see if they are found that way? [19:42] nix_chix0r, http://twitpic.com/16b2a [19:42] BP{k}: i was just about to edit /etc/profile! [19:42] andarius, stop crying. i said "i think". and i was correct: we use /usr/man not /usr/local/man, by virtue of nearly every slack build using --prefix=/usr , those options for telling man pages to go to /usr/man, and by virtue that there are literally no man pages in /usr/local/man for any slackware package or slackbuild-based packages. [19:43] TwinReverb: no, you did not [19:43] aetheria, you edit profile.d, not the profile directly [19:43] 19:34 < TwinReverb> aetheria, that's because slackware uses /usr/share/man/ <-- where ? [19:43] /usr/local, the worst linux (unix ? posix ?) invention [19:43] BP{k}: perhaps profile should have something like MANPATH=/usr/local/share/man:"${MANPATH}" [19:44] TwinReverb: i am not crying, what i am doing is trying to keep a new user from getting hosed by you [19:44] my statement is not correct (the one that stated fact, i.e. "we use /usr/man"), the other is true ("slackware rarely uses /usr/local"), and the other is properly tagged "I think" [19:44] as far as I'm concerned, I think PATH shouldn't include /usr/local/bin actually so it'd teach people not to use it [19:44] and nothing i said would even remotely hose the user. much less i didn't tell anyone to do anything so nothing i said would even get acted upon. [19:45] i also stated no commands [19:45] aetheria: MANPATH=$MANPATH:/usr/local/share/man [19:45] wait [19:45] i will not, you continue to fail [19:45] ok, /usr/share/man is incorrect. where the "share" came from i don't know, but i'm going to go check myself into an insane asylum [19:46] TwinReverb, maybe '/usr/share/man -> ../man' ? [19:46] BP{k}: except you normally want locally installed stuff to take precedence [19:46] it came from your typing i would assume ... [19:47] aetheria: then adapt as you see fit :) [19:47] like you've never typed something you didn't intend :P [19:47] anyway, good night all [19:47] i don't cry when rworkman or alienBOB accidentally type something extra :) [19:47] Camarade_Tux: goodnight :) [19:47] if i did i recalled immediatly. you on the otherhand tried to defend your missinformation [19:47] now blame it on a typo [19:47] because i don't remember /usr/SHARE/man being in there, only /usr/man [19:47] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: ""skiiiiii on tomorrow ! \ ( ^ _ ^ ) /"" [19:47] i am not blaming a typo. i know what i intended to type [19:47] another epic fail [19:48] dude you're a troll. grow up. [19:48] it's one thing to be "hey that's not /usr/share/man" and another to be "you are evil" [19:48] 1) if i can troll and save a user from you thats a win 2) i will never grow up [19:48] i didn't say patrick was stupid or evil due to mispatching xfce in slackware 12.1 [19:48] TwinReverb: with this package its --mandir=DIR (DATAROOTDIR/man) --datarootdir is PREFIX/share [19:48] i simply pointed it out in a respectful manner [19:49] aetheria, what package? [19:49] sure, then i respectfully point you to "rm -rf /" [19:49] TwinReverb: i agree though, /usr/local/share/man is idiotic. it should be /usr/local/man (according to FHS?) [19:49] as that must be ok :| [19:49] TwinReverb: snort [19:50] andarius, have fun trying to argue your way into making me look stupid [19:50] of fto the beer and anime i go :o [19:50] TwinReverb: i dont have to argue it, you have made it very easy [19:50] export MANPATH='C:\Program Files\Mannual Pages' [19:50] in the end, all human beings look stupid at one point or another. all you have accomplished is an /ignore and wasting my time and distracted me from the user [19:50] your argueing just compounds it :) [19:50] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [19:51] aetheria, i've never installed snort (well it's been a while). have you checked slackbuilds.org (or is it slackbuild.org?) to see how their slackbuild script does it in terms of configure flags? [19:51] infernal_jesus (n=igor@unaffiliated/infernaljesus/x-763248) left irc: "Laziness is not a disease, it's a privilege." [19:51] TwinReverb: oh god that script is useless [19:51] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h104-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: "User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby" [19:51] aetheria: how so? [19:52] hmm well i must go eat right now. please /msg me what's wrong with it and i'll check if i can help by fixing it, or you can always talk to the slackbuilds.org people and/or the script's author. [19:52] TwinReverb: quite honestly, snort is one of the most complex applications you can build. [19:52] BP{k}: i'm not even going there. i don't have the time/energy to waste anymore and have my own, far better scripts [19:52] i think i got mine as a package way back when, but oh well. anyways, i'll try to help you when i return if BP{k} hasn't already helped you. he's usually very good with this stuff and i expect that you will be fully helped by the time i get back :) [19:53] aetheria: Fair enough. [19:54] BP{k}: beyond that, its not worth the overhead of adapting to the slackbuild system when it gain you virtually nothing in terms of administrative advantage, over having your own script that can do more, more easily [19:54] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [19:54] TwinReverb: thanks. i'm done though. i have it built and running. just working on some final touches. [19:56] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [19:56] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h104-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:57] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [20:03] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:03] trekdanne (n=trekdann@unaffiliated/trekdanne) joined ##slackware. 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[20:20] or rather, how to fix it [20:21] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-026-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] dios_mio (i=test@88.241.136.128) joined ##slackware. [20:26] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.80.196.49) joined ##slackware. [20:28] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:30] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [20:35] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.71) joined ##slackware. [20:36] Doctor Strangelove is on TCM [20:38] tcm? [20:38] I have it in AVI anyway. [20:40] "Gentleman! You can't fight in here, this is the war room!" [20:40] Nooklur combat, toe-to-toe with the rooskies! [20:41] interesting tidbit ... [20:41] ... originally Peter Sellers was cast to play the pilot. [20:41] TCM = Turner Classic Movies [20:41] He broke his leg and was unable to do it. [20:42] Slim Pickens was the better choice for the pilot, Peter Sellars made a great doctor strangelove and corporal Mandrake [20:42] So, you didn't know it either ... [20:42] ... he also played the president. [20:43] I think I saw it 3 times before I figured that out. [20:43] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [20:43] yeah, Sellers is quite a talented actor [20:44] Pickens was great, no argument there, but I would like to have seen the Sellers pilot too. Probably a different take on the role. [20:44] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:44] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.81) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [20:45] rAWjAW (n=rAWjAW@unaffiliated/rawjaw) joined ##slackware. [20:47] The|Back| (n=backdoor@41.22.245.36) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:47] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:47] reminds me, I should watch the pink panther movies again [20:47] been years [20:48] The|Back| (n=backdoor@41.22.245.36) joined ##slackware. [20:48] another good Peter Sellers movie is named "The Party" [20:48] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] hm, never even heard of it. So for me it's like there's a new Peter Sellers movie [20:48] danke [20:50] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) joined ##slackware. [20:51] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:52] rAWjAW (n=rAWjAW@unaffiliated/rawjaw) left irc: "Leaving." [20:52] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:53] alienBOB: SYN? [20:55] d0htem (n=d0htem@unaffiliated/d0htem) joined ##slackware. [20:56] i just changed my username and UID , how do i change the gid and groups? [20:58] rodiguim (n=None@78-86-168-194.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [20:58] FriedBob, RST [20:59] d0htem, change the groups the user is a part of? [20:59] man usermod [20:59] thx [20:59] no problem :) [20:59] http://www.slackbook.org/html/book.html [20:59] d0htem, ^ [20:59] I'm so close to being able to print. :( I just need to fix these access denied issues. [21:00] FriedBob, oh hai, i am in ur box denyin ur axs [21:00] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.71) left irc: "Leaving" [21:01] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:02] All the network machines can see the printers, but none can connect [21:04] Any one willing/able to help? [21:05] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Success [21:08] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] FriedBob, It's been ages since I set up a print server and I've never been good at it, but are the networked boxed allowed access in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf? [21:08] ice_nine (n=ice_nine@CPE00179a491de8-CM001bd7cb8f1a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [21:09] Wolven: Aye, I did a Allow 192.168.2.* [21:09] what if you specify the full IP for one of the boxes, does it get access? [21:10] I can try. [21:11] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:12] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [21:12] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] FDCX_ (i=0@94.176.32.6) left irc: "Leaving" [21:16] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) joined ##slackware. [21:18] I'm a little confused here. on my pc the contents of /opt/scratchbox/users/MyName/tmp look similar to /tmp [21:18] but /opt/scratchbox/users/MyName/tmp doesnt look like a link [21:19] hard link perhaps? [21:19] what does a hard link look like under "ls -ld /tmp " output? [21:20] don't some network daemons / applications use "Allow 192.168.2" instead? [21:20] where/how is the appropriate way to set persistent environment vars? [21:20] FriedBob, are you sure it's 192.168.2.* ? some (samba and apache iirc) do it like this: 192.168.2 [21:20] i don't know CUPS [21:20] tank-man: hmm not sure actually if hard links on dirs are allowed. [21:21] i don't know CUPS and it appears ("man cupsd.conf") that it uses asterisks but i don't know for sure [21:21] Action: TwinReverb is just thinking out loud [21:22] tank-man: disregard ln can't make hard links on dirs by the look of it [21:23] Action: TwinReverb gets "hard link not allowed for directory" [21:23] the contents are the same as i made a file in one dir and it appeared in the other [21:24] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.165) joined ##slackware. [21:24] drwxrwxrwt 27 root root 10672 2009-01-23 18:16 /tmp/ <-- what does the t mean in the drwxrwxrwt [21:25] tank-man: i believe that's the "sticky" bit [21:26] that is the sticky bit [21:28] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [21:31] TwinReverb: According to alienBOB's site, and everyone who has seen my cupsd.conf, it is with the .* [21:31] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [21:32] FriedBob, yeah i figured, i was just asking. i did man cupsd.conf and discovered that it does in fact do that. i was just curious. [21:32] hmm if you don't mind me asking, is the firewall set to allow from this area also? [21:34] wamaral (i=1000@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [21:34] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [21:35] d0htem (n=d0htem@unaffiliated/d0htem) left irc: "leaving" [21:35] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:35] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:35] tank-man: The "t'' indicates that only the user (and root, of course) that created a file in this directory can delete that file. [21:36] http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html [21:36] hackedhead: take a look at /etc/profile, peek around in /etc/profile.d/* also [21:36] sticky is "s" [21:37] how do i know if a dir is some sort of link [21:37] ls -dlh directoryname [21:37] run "ls -l" in the containing dir [21:39] http://paste.lisp.org/display/74115 [21:39] from that output, where does it say the dir is a link? [21:40] it doesnt [21:40] but the contents of the two directories look the same [21:41] all this isnt from a problem, im just curious [21:41] try the full path [21:41] backticks are depreciated ;) [21:41] fluxnuk3r (n=server@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [21:41] hey [21:41] ho [21:42] first time I actually used a floppy with Linux, where is the default mount point? [21:42] /dev/? [21:42] ls lists a symlink by pointing to the linked local with a " -> /path" [21:42] tank-man: if it was a link you'd see something like this: lrwxrwxrwx 1 XXX users 8 2009-01-23 18:42 LINKDIR -> REALDIR/ [21:42] fluxnuk3r: my /dev/fd0 mounts @ /media/floppy [21:42] though yours likely differs [21:43] i think i just got 2x more hdd space :) [21:43] andarius: thanks [21:43] yw [21:44] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [21:47] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-351793.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:47] DigitalSith (n=derek@pool-96-252-132-221.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:50] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:50] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:51] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "-1" [21:51] sladegen (n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) left ##slackware. [21:51] Hey guys, I have been trying to solve a issue for some time and I need some help. I am trying to dual boot. Slackware detects my hard drive as hda, and it allways has. Some distros detect my hard drive as sda, no matter what I try, Is there any way I could dual boot two distros that detect my hard drive differently with either lilo or grub? [21:53] DigitalSith : which slack version are you running? [21:53] are you using a sata drive? [21:54] DigitalSith: Are both OSes on the same hard drive? [21:54] he doesn't have to use sata, for the device to be seen as /dev/sd [21:54] i know. [21:55] 12.2, this problem has persisted on my laptop through versions 12, 12.1 and 12.2. My hard drive is a ide drive. Both OSes are on the same hdd in my laptop [21:55] its because his ide chipthingy supports both pata and sata [21:55] spook : nope, it's because most new releases of major distros use libata for most PATA drivers [21:56] ananke: yeah but doesnt libata still see ide only chipsets as hdX [21:56] no [21:56] spook : no [21:56] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-026-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:56] spook: no it can but by default it does not [21:56] oh. [21:56] i'm still sleepy i guess [21:56] kitche : good god, punctuation god is angry at you now :) [21:57] Is there anything I can do? [21:57] DigitalSith: lilo in theory could be setup to work [21:57] ananke: never hence why I failed English 3 times and got kicked out of college [21:57] DigitalSith : i'm actually surprised that the latest slack doesn't use the same system [21:57] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:57] I guess I don't understand the problem. Can't you just tell lilo to boot from /dev/hda1 for slackware and /dev/sda2 for other distro? [21:57] but i think grub might be much easier [21:58] er I mean /dev/hda2 and pass a root=/dev/sda2 type variable? [21:58] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h104-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Nick collision from services. [21:58] Wescotte: if you are booted into a system that is detecting all the disks as sdX and have lines in lilo.conf for hdX, lilo will barf [21:58] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h104-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:58] I have tried both lilo and grub like that Wescotte, with multiple distros, like gentoo, ubuntu, opensuse, crunchbang and I just cant get it to work. [21:58] except when you try to run lilo and it complains violently about it not existing [21:58] you have to do it in a sneaky way [21:58] i like lilo better than grub [21:59] would a /boot help? [21:59] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl116-134.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [21:59] the device names in lilo.conf just need to match how the system detects the disks at the time of executing lilo. after that, it doesn't matter what the disks detected as [21:59] ah ok. [21:59] its nice to run lilo and it state possible major defects in lilo.conf [21:59] spook: ....where is /boot kept... [21:59] on sdX or hdX [21:59] nullboy: i mean a sep part [21:59] erm [21:59] yeah point [21:59] see [22:00] you have to just use trickery with lilo but it will work [22:00] for the root= in lilo, doesnt it need to be sdxX [22:00] i mean, does lilo check/use that? [22:00] I have tried lilo and grub, installed in hda, it will not boot to sda, anyway I try. [22:00] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:00] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@190.148.92.4) joined ##slackware. [22:01] shouldn't lilo detect the hardware the same everytime? it doesn't care what the distro/os calls the harddrive [22:01] how does grub address drives? similar to windows bootloader? [22:01] Wescotte: at run time it matters, after that it doesn't [22:01] run time as in lilo runtime [22:01] Is there something I could pass at boot to disable libata? I dont know I am grasping here... [22:01] as in when you install lilo, not when the bootloader runs [22:02] Wescotte: lilo just needs valid device names to work with while it installs [22:02] spook, to grub hd 0,0 = hda1 [22:02] and sd 0,0 = sda1 ? [22:02] no [22:02] don't know [22:02] nullboy: so if lilo sees the drive as /dev/hda it starts booting it doesn't care that your OS says it's /dev/sda [22:02] DigitalSith: pastebin your lilo.conf [22:02] pastebin.slackadelic.com [22:03] Wescotte: no, because that's not lilo's job in the first place [22:03] DigitalSith: is your problem that you're creating/using a lilo.conf where it sees the harddrive as /dev/hda and then modifying it in another distro that sees it as /dev/sda? [22:03] I guess I'm still confused about the problem :) [22:03] No [22:03] Wescotte: join me in encouraging him to pastebin [22:03] Hang on let me explain [22:04] Slow typer [22:04] DigitalSith: pastebin your lilo.conf [22:04] i'm starting to rage a little so i'm going to step away [22:04] heh [22:05] nullboy: raaaage [22:05] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Leaving" [22:05] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:05] http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2594/rage1wv6.jpg [22:05] nullboy: that looks like one evil golf ball [22:06] lol [22:06] TwinReverb: All boxes are on the same side of the firewall [22:07] FriedBob: what [22:07] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:07] I installed slack to hda1, used hda2 as swap, and left hda3 available. I then installed crunchbang linux, crunchbang detects my hard drive as sda intead of hda. So I re-run liloconfig in slackware and add crunchbang as root @ hda3, reboot and no success, I edit lilo.conf from slackware I change hda3 to sda3 and no success, I do the same in grub, no success. I am sorry if I am being unclear. [22:08] DigitalSith: pastebin your lilo.conf [22:08] we'll fix it. [22:09] oh i know. [22:09] quick and dirty fix. [22:09] install grub in crungbag into superblock [22:09] install lilo in slack to mbr or superblock, and chain load grub [22:10] that sounds scary :) [22:10] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.71) joined ##slackware. [22:10] Hmm, I dunno, also nothing to pastebin as I got pissed off and formated the hard drive and made lilo stock again [22:10] ... [22:11] err [22:11] I dont think there is a option to install grub to superblock in crunchbang [22:11] do it the other way round then [22:11] you can install grub from slack [22:12] I tried grub, in slack, and I just got a kernel panic in crunchbang [22:13] yay exchange rate went up from 64 to 65 cents usd [22:13] uhm..yay [22:14] http://www.xe.com/ [22:16] TGIF.......time for another cold one:) [22:16] i'm ordering something from think geek. 1AUD is currently 65 cents USD. i really want it to go up some more. [22:16] BEER [22:17] yeah:) [22:17] Sat Jan 24 12:17:28 WST 2009 [22:17] :P [22:17] spook: that's one of the reasons i keep considering NSW as a place to live [22:17] why? saturday comes sooner? [22:17] spook: work a few years here in the US and just save as much as possible, then move over there for a while [22:17] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:17] live off a fat US bank account [22:18] heh [22:18] DigitalSith (n=derek@pool-96-252-132-221.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:18] 1=1.53 isn't so bad ;) [22:18] Anyone recommend a good website for buying cheap (new or used) textbooks? [22:19] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@190.148.92.4) left irc: Client Quit [22:19] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:19] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:19] thepiratebay.org [22:20] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.71) left irc: "Leaving" [22:20] hah [22:22] keep wishing [22:22] wow pirate bays search really really sucks! [22:22] textbooks will never be cheap [22:23] piratebay runs slackware and slamd64 [22:23] tank-man: true.. but I chances are I can find them cheaper than my stupid school bookstore [22:23] martian67 (i=lol3izer@about/linux/regular/martian67) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:24] amazon.com will even save me a quite a bit buying used but I assume I can find better.. [22:24] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:25] martian67 (i=lol3izer@about/linux/regular/martian67) joined ##slackware. [22:25] dhzkek (n=apeitheo@173-103-18-136.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [22:26] I just install Slack 12.2, and I'm having trouble with CUPS: I'm typing in "links http://127.0.0.1:631/" and it just stays on "Making Connection"... never actually going anywhere.. anyone know why? [22:27] spook: I know he's gone, but is it possible he wasn't running lilo after editing lilo.conf? [22:28] dhzkek: have you started cupsd? [22:28] BP{k}, yes [22:28] firewall? [22:28] probally [22:29] I'm trying to do this locally (thus 127.0.0.1) [22:29] although, let me see.. I did add some rules to iptables... [22:29] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:30] How can I tell if this "Access Denied" is coming from cups or samba? [22:31] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:32] hmm, I don't think any of the rules for iptables are what's causing the problem [22:32] dhzkek: can you telent to 127.0.0.1 631? [22:32] *telnet [22:32] SiegeX, I just get "Trying 127.0.0.1" and it never seems to do anything [22:33] netstat -tpln | grep 631 [22:33] that shows something? [22:33] tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN [22:34] and a second line that says: 2714/cupsd [22:34] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.237.251) joined ##slackware. [22:34] FriedBob, you already checked that it's allowed by inetd right? [22:34] dhzkek: type this then try the telnet again --> iptables -I INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT [22:34] as root [22:35] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.237.251) left irc: Client Quit [22:35] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.237.251) joined ##slackware. [22:35] TwinReverb: CUPS or SMB? I can connect to SMB based file shares. [22:35] both [22:36] SiegeX, it works now :) thank you very much [22:36] I need some help making a boot disk (floppy) [22:36] not that inetd launches samba or cups, but that it allows them (hosts.allow and hosts.deny) [22:36] formatted to ext2, made boot and etc [22:36] dhzkek: ok well that was a temp fix, now we need to figure out what script is blocking localhost [22:36] SiegeX, I think I see why.. I have this in my rc.local file: "iptables -P INPUT DROP" [22:36] uh [22:37] copied lilo.conf and boot.b to repective dirs and lilo -C'd the config file [22:37] why would you do that? [22:37] SiegeX, this box is functioning as a router.. there are exceptions to that above rule [22:37] you should put your iptables commands in rc.firewall [22:37] TwinReverb: Neither allow nor deny have anythign in them. SHould I ass ALLOW 192.168.2. to it? [22:37] nullboy: me? or no? [22:38] no [22:38] k [22:38] nullboy, it's in slackbook :P [22:38] Action: fluxnuk3r says hi to nullboy anyway. [22:38] lol [22:38] SiegeX, will rc.firewall automatically execute if it's +x or will I need to add a line in rc.local to execute it? [22:38] dhzkek: because slackware will call that script before it brings up your interfaces. Putting it into rc.local not only clutters up rc.local but it gives a window of vulnerability [22:38] dhzkek: it should if you already have the rc.firewall file [22:40] SiegeX, I'll move it there, although I think I would be okay anyway, since I have to manually bring up my connection to the internet at the end of rc.local (it's a EVDO/3G modem.. that's my main connection) [22:40] FriedBob, probable (in my opinion) ALL: 192.168.2 [22:40] dhzkek: i thought you meant that was the only rule in there [22:40] and ALL: 127 [22:40] nullboy, haha :P [22:40] but in theory if hosts.deny is empty then everything should be allowed in [22:41] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: "[A] caught in the afterlife, I've gone too far ..." [22:41] however, remember samba does weird stuff with broadcast addresses [22:41] gives a *theoretical* window of vulnerability, in the real world that's nothing to worry about. [22:42] you may need to watch it and then possibly allow broadcast over 137-139 from local broadcast [22:42] (but indeed, just +x rc.firewall is the best way to do it) [22:42] KidpunkX (n=masterx8@97.104.48.72) left irc: "Leaving" [22:42] to me samba (in practice, i.e. network traffic) is an ugly thing [22:42] SiegeX, if I want to keep my other rules in INPUT, should I use -I INPUT or -A INPUT? [22:42] rob0, yeah true, ALL: 192.168.2 would give a "vulnerability" but then again you know how that goes [22:42] damned if you do, damned if you don't [22:42] nono I was talking about the rc.firewall in rc.local thing [22:43] oh [22:43] hi, i installed 12.1 in hp dv2000 my scrollbar doesntworks, this is my section http://pastebin.com/m2d0e633c [22:43] i would say read up about how to properly use hosts.deny hosts.allow [22:43] any suggest? [22:43] TwinReverb: This box has a firewall between it and the web, so I don't care "too much" [22:43] but like i said i don't know [22:43] there's a certain amount of time that the networking is up while rc.firewall hasn't been executed [22:43] TwinReverb: I just want my wife to be able to print wireless, cause that'll make her happy. [22:43] i'm in ur window, stealing ur packets [22:43] FriedBob, i feel your pain [22:43] And I am usre you can appreciate the importance of a happy wife. [22:43] sinkigobopo (n=sinkigob@pool-96-252-87-26.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:44] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [22:44] usually i ended up putting the printer on the wife's machine and then sharing it out, so that she's happy and i am the one stuck figuring out how to share it [22:44] sinkigobopo (n=sinkigob@pool-96-252-87-26.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:44] TwinReverb: Her's is a lappy [22:44] :S [22:45] brb, rebooting [22:45] dhzkek (n=apeitheo@173-103-18-136.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:45] Does edits to hosts.* require something to be restarted? [22:45] killall -HUP inetd [22:45] rc.inetd ? [22:46] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.12.247.139) joined ##slackware. [22:48] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [22:49] http://www.circleid.com/posts/20090123_network_solutions_down_ddos_attack/ [22:49] lol [22:49] dhzkek (n=apeitheo@173-100-204-73.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] thanks a bunch SiegeX and all others who helped :) [22:50] dhzkek: bring it to #iptables and well work out your rules [22:51] okibisan (i=1000@24-151-173-192.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:51] okay [22:52] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:52] Hmm, "client-error-bad-request" in my cups/access_log [22:56] superGear (n=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:56] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:56] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) left irc: "Saliendo" [22:56] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:56] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [22:59] hba (n=hba@189.188.151.45) joined ##slackware. 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[23:26] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.12.247.139) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:27] Garak_ (n=Garak@stjhnf0112w-142162170051.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [23:28] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:29] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:29] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:29] so a couple days ago, a professor asked how many of us are touch typers. I considered myself one even though i dont use the exact fingers that are supposed to hit each key even though i will at times use all 10 fingers. is that not a touch typist or does it not matter how many fingers you use, as long as you hit the keys fast without looking? [23:30] i consider myself a touch typist, even if i dont use the right fingers [23:30] pretty sure if you don't use all ten fingers on the keyboard that would be considered touch typing [23:31] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.81) joined ##slackware. [23:31] i figured if i could type what i wanted at will without looking that makes me a touch typist. [23:31] i tend to type like i play piano. i think touch typing can be done wrong very easily and can lead to carpal / tendinitis very quickly [23:31] yeah i actually do use all 10, but i dont do it exactly right. i use my ring finger for q inside of pinky, for example [23:31] but i use pinky for a [23:32] i'm all over the place and i look too [23:32] i don't give a hoot either [23:32] i am pretty sure i dont use my fingers correctly but my hands never hurt and i can get it done, you know? [23:32] whatever prevents carpal works for me [23:32] nullboy you look? oh no [23:32] cheater cheater pumpkin eater [23:32] heh heh [23:33] nullboy: i believe the appropriate response in this case is "tits or gtfo" [23:33] my (then gf, now wife) bought me a Das Keyboard years ago i dont have a choice heh [23:33] have you ever heard of a keyboarding class that actually teaches kids how to properly hit all the F keys along with home, end, page up, page down, insert and del? [23:34] because my highschool keyboarding class was straight bullshit [23:34] the last keyboarding class i took was in freshman year of highschool, i aced it and they put me in a "special" intro to business class (which i did not attend and failed) i am 28 now heh [23:35] you mean one was supposed tolearn more than how to waste paper in typing class? [23:35] lol [23:35] highschool keyboarding classes usually are bull anyways [23:35] much less people need to LIFT THEIR HANDS OFF THE KEYBOARD [23:35] if i did that in piano class they'd get out the ruler and start slapping me with it [23:35] i rest my sweaty hams right on my keyboard whats the problem? [23:36] if you want huge wrist problems go ahead and list your hands off the keyboard [23:36] and while they're not exactly the same, i would tend to trust piano teachers over keyboard teachers simply because pianists want to be able to play for life and practice for hours. keyboard teachers tend to think of carpal as "oh well, it's going to happen", at least in my limited experience. [23:36] spook, so far i've had none and i've probably typed and practiced piano combined for longer durations than you have in your life :D :P [23:37] my wrists would get so tired [23:37] "just get the surgery" doesn't sit well with me, even though i'm military and it would be free for me [23:37] ive never understood carpal tunnel, and i used to MUD. [23:37] wow a conversation about keyboarding [23:37] however, like i said, my experience is limited, and i'm not an expert in anatomy or ergonomics [23:37] nix_chix0r: you're welcome [23:38] no it's a nice change stitchman [23:38] much less people would diss my guitar technique as too "strict" or too "classical" until they get carpal and i don't :D :P [23:39] my friend is that way. used to diss me saying i was being to literal in conforming to classical guitar technique (granted, i play electric), but i have yet to have carpal and have been playing 10 years. he was playing 3 and has carpal already. [23:39] whatever feels good [23:39] do you think some people are more prone to carpal than others? ive been typing for years and never had a problem [23:39] (granted, again, i'm limited, i'm not an expert, and this story is highly subjective) [23:39] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [23:39] i think that yes it's possible that some people (due to anatomy) are more highly susceptible to carpal than others [23:39] Andymeows (n=andy@c-66-41-202-39.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:39] but again, i'm not an expert, and my experience is limited [23:40] it's sad that i have to put so many disclaimers on what would be an opinion, but oh well, some people cry when you don't [23:40] "omg you could be causing millions of people to get carpal!" [23:40] if i ever end up an old man with carpal, im gonna have some other way to get around it (speech input or whatever) [23:40] TwinReverb, what would pay for a john five custom bigsby telecaster:P [23:41] it's a sexy guitar [23:41] nothing. i would prefer to buy my own :) [23:41] It's like any other physical motion though, do whatever feels right. Like bindings or running shoes or whatever [23:41] stitchman, i'm still waiting for the "promise" of speech to text being perfect and cheap :) [23:41] nix_chix0r, i don't do signature guitars. :) [23:41] some one on craigslist was like i'll trade an amp and a xbox360 for it [23:42] nullboy, what feels right isn't always the best for you, although i agree that 90% of the time it is (i.e. listen to your body. if it hurts, stop doing it and evaulate what the heck you're doing wrong.) [23:42] "do what feels right" is very good advice, in the absense of a PhD in ergonomics and/or anatomy :) [23:42] TwinReverb: i dream of being able to walk into my home say "Computer: I am home" and it goes about turning the heat up and turning on lights and the TV [23:42] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [23:43] yeah there are somethings that would be too late by the time it doesn't feel right [23:43] stitchman: or linked to your car's gps and guesses when you'll be home and start warming the house in time for you to get home [23:43] in fact it is probably doable now, i just lack a microphone and some automation hardware [23:43] stitchman, till it goes whack and starts jerking you off and not in a gentle manner [23:43] and even if you're doing it wrong (tm lolcat) if you stop doing it and wait until your body isn't hurting, you'll probably mostly save yourself from carpal [23:43] hehe [23:44] "hurts so good" does not apply to typing or musical instruments :D [23:44] no it applies to computers that do things for you [23:44] super computers! [23:45] computers make rotten servants - you have to be too specific [23:45] i was bored earlier and saw a comercial for plaque psorisis and i had to google what that was exactly [23:46] did you google-image it though? [23:46] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:46] yes and it was disgusting [23:46] i feel bad for the people who end up getting that [23:47] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@114.231.18.203) left irc: Client Quit [23:47] after i asked i did it, yes it must suck tons [23:48] hba (n=hba@189.188.151.45) left irc: "leaving" [23:49] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-18-60-58.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [23:49] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:50] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [23:50] so anyway a totally different professor has us making a story in ALICE and I hate it [23:50] story in alice? [23:51] alice.org [23:51] yeah yeah [23:51] it supposed to teach programming [23:51] but a story? [23:51] a short story to teach us classes or something [23:51] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [23:51] oh. [23:51] it sucks [23:51] renew01 (n=renew@adsl-99-139-49-221.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:51] i'll bet [23:52] i am not creative so that is the hard part. I suck at stories. [23:53] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:53] ha bf talking in his sleep about work stuff he's like " i'm sorry i'll take care of that as soon as i can" i got the memo" [23:54] haha [23:54] sucks to bring your work to your dreams [23:54] he coudl totally be sleeping in the bed, but he sleeps on the other couch because i sleep out here since it's more comfy [23:54] I dream about work all the time - mostly as I'm sleeping at work [23:54] hehe [23:54] some one tried to steal the swingline i got him [23:55] red? [23:55] yes [23:55] death [23:55] that was one of his xmas gifts [23:55] got to engrave that thing [23:55] hes dreaming office space [23:56] buy him one of those annoy-a-trons [23:56] for his manager [23:56] I have to watch http://www.thewebsiteisdown.com like twice a week, its so funny [23:56] Those are fun [23:56] 2.0 is better [23:56] ... better than Office Space [23:56] just recently majority of his dreams are about me leaving him. and i said. well you notice the tv is still here:)) [23:56] i wouldn't leave my 40" [23:56] lol [23:56] how comforting :/ [23:57] I'm getting all these "unsupported character set" errors when I try to print. [23:57] yeah well i said for him to falcon punch me in his dream but he hasn't done that yet. and i'm still waiting on him to get that 2million dollar life insurance [23:57] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-72-217-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Connection timed out [23:57] till then he has to wear his seatbelt while driving [23:57] heh [23:57] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:58] I have font-config and x/*font*.tgz installed, but after I installed the fonts I haven't done anything with them. [23:58] Any ideas on how to get rid of that error? [23:58] stitchman, i say that because he totaled my car on christmas eve, and spun out in his two days later:p[ [23:58] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-64-167-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] nix_chix0r: Is a falcon punch like a donkey punch? [23:59] falcon punch is a massive punch to the midsection area [00:00] --- Sat Jan 24 2009