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[00:11] <dive> phreak, which graphic card do you have?
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[00:12] <phreak> intel 945GM
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[00:13] <dive> I don't know if direct rendering affects 2D stuff but it might be a pointer. Have you tried different drivers on it?
[00:15] <edman007> phreak, cat /proc/mtrr <- pastebin it
[00:15] <dive> or played with the settings in X?
[00:15] <edman007> often that is due to screwed up MTRRs
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[00:19] <eviljames> interesting, fresh install of slackware-current on 32 bit w/ totally default settings and kde4 compositing 'works' but moving winows & such is @ 16 or so fps.
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[00:22] <edman007> eviljames, that means you don't have 3D working
[00:22] <edman007> compositing needs 3d
[00:23] Action: jeev skunk slaps eviljames
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[00:28] <phreak> edman007, I'm sorry, bear with me, but how exactly do I pastebin the output here?
[00:28] <fire|bird> phreak, pastebin.slackadelic.com and then give us the link of your post.
[00:28] <edman007> cat /etc/mtrr; # then copy/paste what you see to pastebin.ca
[00:29] <fire|bird> or pastebin.ca
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[00:29] <fire|bird> y0 edman007
[00:29] <phreak> Ok thanks guys
[00:29] <edman007> \o
[00:29] <edman007> fire|bird, i iz writing docs :(
[00:29] <antiwire> this is hilarious http://www.sputnik.com/support/downloads.php
[00:30] <antiwire> every one of those versions are vulnerable
[00:30] <fire|bird> edman007, wow, fun. :P
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[00:30] <edman007> antiwire, to what?
[00:30] <phreak> here it is --> http://pastebin.ca/1503970
[00:31] <antiwire> edman007: to that dd-wrt vulnerability
[00:31] <antiwire> I tested it today and it's legit
[00:31] <edman007> hmm, i should probably check my router, lol
[00:31] <edman007> link?
[00:31] <edman007> phreak, how much ram do you have?
[00:31] <DenNOLA> Hello.  Last night I received valuable advice for a back-up strategy from various Slack-Gurus.  The advice was:  dd from HHD (A) to HDD (B), and I decided I'd use Puppy on USB to run the operation.   So here's the question:  when I boot Puppy, do I first MOUNT /dev/sda and /dev/sdb?
[00:32] <phreak> I have 4 GB installed
[00:33] <Dominian> FYI: I just upgraded slackwaregallery.org to the latest release of the gallery software and implemented recaptcha.. damn bots Have been creating accounts like crazy.
[00:34] <Dominian> Just let me know if anyone has problems
[00:34] <antiwire> Dominian: I think I remember you saying that you use dd-wrt on a router; check your version
[00:38] <DenNOLA> I ordered the HDD and it will be here in like 3 days, so when it comes I want to be able to just sit down and blow through  this like a seasoned veteran.  Thanks in advance for your response.
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[00:39] <jeev> DenNOLA, dont quote me on this but i think if you just did if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb, that would be ok, it'd get the partitions in and stuff.. but dont quote me
[00:40] <jeev> i dont do things like that
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[00:40] <wd_> wgetpaste script goes n /usr/local/bin right?
[00:41] <DenNOLA> jeev, antiwire, Urchlay and LSD gave me very exact instructions last night so I'm good on the command, it's just that I don't know if I mount the devices first and THEN run the command or not.  Sounds silly, but I don't know.
[00:41] <antiwire> no
[00:41] <antiwire> do not mount them!!!
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[00:42] <DenNOLA> antiwire  wow.  No on the wet Mogwai and definitely no on mounting them.  I got it.  Loud and clear.
[00:42] <antiwire> lol
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[00:43] <DenNOLA> Also.  Formatting.  Unecessary, right?   Just go straight from the box to the disk enclosure?
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[00:43] <agentc0re> so the ventriloharassment.org site is gone... Sad day..  I really liked listening to angry vent users get pissed off.
[00:43] <antiwire> it's all good
[00:43] <antiwire> but
[00:43] <antiwire> DenNOLA: I usually format new disks
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[00:44] <antiwire> just as a very rudimentary test
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[00:44] <antiwire> DenNOLA: you don't need to though
[00:44] <Dominian> antiwire: er.. what?
[00:44] <Dominian> antiwire: I use the latest v24 sp1 iirc
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[00:44] <antiwire> Dominian: can I pm?
[00:45] <wd_> ummm you guys mentioned not to install apps from linuxpackages... what was the site to get slack packs?
[00:45] <Dominian> sure.. make it quick getting ready to hit the sack :P
[00:45] <DenNOLA> antiwire,  huh.  So what I have just read is that I don't need to.
[00:45] <Dominian> wd_: slackbuilds.org will link you to source and build scripts
[00:45] <DenNOLA> That's good enough for me.
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[00:45] <antiwire> DenNOLA: right
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[00:46] <wd_> Dominian: k
[00:46] <DenNOLA> Man, I gotta tell ya....I dig you guys.  Thanks for all of the help.   Someday when I'm proficient perhaps I will be able to pay-it-forward.
[00:46] <Dominian> just donate to Slackware.. that'll make eeryone happy
[00:47] <slak> Dominian, that'll make pat happy
[00:47] <wd_> Dominian: i sure will
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[00:47] <DenNOLA> I do.  In the form of purchases.  AND I put a huge-ass Slackware sticker on my Jeep when the Microsoft convention was here in New Orleans last week.
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[00:47] <DenNOLA> (I run a sign shop.  I can make huge-ass decals)
[00:48] <Dominian> he he
[00:48] Action: Dominian needs a Slackware sign!
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[00:50] <antiwire> we heard that you like linux, so we installed Linux inside your Linux so now you can Linux while you Linux. YEAHHH BOY
[00:50] <DenNOLA> My friend is a face-painter.  She needed stencils cut for face-painting.  She came to me desperate, so I agreed.  Well, turns out the logo she was going to be BRANDING everyone at the convention center with was F-ing Microsoft Windows7!  I felt like Jesus making crosses for the Romans.  Told her I'd do it free if she wore my Slackware tee-shirt.
[00:50] <antiwire> lol
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[00:52] <DenNOLA> Alrighty.  Well I'm outta here.  Thanks again.  ~
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[00:54] <wd_> can i use 11 builds for 10.2?
[00:54] <wd_> slackbuild doesn't show 10.2
[00:54] <antiwire> you can try
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[00:55] <antiwire> no guarantee
[00:55] <wd_> oh crap. ok.
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[01:06] <Urchlay> "I felt like Jesus making crosses for the Romans."  <--- good line
[01:06] <agentc0re> wtf..
[01:06] <agentc0re> haha
[01:06] <antiwire> lol
[01:06] <Urchlay> so what's up, /a(gentc0r|ntiwir)e/
[01:07] <antiwire> you are sick man. sick.
[01:07] <agentc0re> Urchlay: you know where the line went, dontcha? ;)
[01:07] <Urchlay> hm? there's a line, and I'm probably on the other side of it
[01:08] <agentc0re> exactly!
[01:08] <agentc0re> :D
[01:08] <Urchlay> I had to follow a drunk/xanaxed-up guy 20 miles today, he should *not* have been driving
[01:09] <Urchlay> (up? or is the proper direction xanaxed-down?)
[01:09] <antiwire> yeah no one ever gets xanaxed up
[01:09] <Urchlay> anyway, if I'd been a cop, he would have been pulled over 10 times
[01:09] <edman007> Urchlay, specific to day?
[01:09] <antiwire> xanax is always a mellowing thing
[01:09] <eviljames> edman007: I'm using exa rendering, fwiw.  This mobo has intel 865 chip on it, so I wonder how its performance will be.
[01:09] <edman007> hi a*
[01:10] <eviljames> antiwire: didn't you say that you have 865 that isn't working?
[01:10] <Urchlay> edman007: well, am supposed to be moving into his spare room, had to follow him to his place to go look at said room
[01:10] <antiwire> eviljames: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[01:10] <eviljames> hello a{gentc0r,ntiwir}e btw
[01:11] <eviljames> you too Urchlay :D
[01:11] <Urchlay> hey, speaking in bash is worse than regex, right?
[01:11] <eviljames> no, regex = bash--;
[01:11] <edman007> Urchlay, eh, you just fail at reget
[01:11] <Urchlay> so bash gets decremented before being assigned to regex, making regex equal to bash+1 at the end?
[01:11] <eviljames> antiwire: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[01:12] <edman007> maybe a[a-z\d]+ would be better
[01:12] <eviljames> antiwire: mine 'works' out of the box
[01:12] <antiwire> eviljames: on a clean -current install?
[01:12] <eviljames> yep
[01:12] <antiwire> eviljames: ok thank you. that's good news. this system has been running -current for a year
[01:12] <antiwire> so I'll clean install
[01:13] <antiwire> I did, however, removepkg to everything in X and KDE but that didn't fix it either
[01:13] <eviljames> xorg-server-1.6.2, xf86-video-intel-2.7.1, libdrm-2.4.11, mesa-7.4.4 and kernel 2.6.29.6
[01:13] <eviljames> and pixman-0.15.10 (I think that's all the ones that were found to be relating to these issues :P)
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[01:14] <eviljames> Urchlay: right, the people who thought up regexes were slightly more sober than the ones who dreamed up bash - hence bash is a more useful tool.
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[01:14] <agentc0re> Heh, check this out.. oldschool FPS for zelda.  http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=7297.0
[01:15] <antiwire> agentc0re: now that's trippy
[01:15] <Urchlay> eh, bash vs. regexes? or bash's regex-like character class stuff vs. regex?
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[01:16] <eviljames> meh, this argument is heading to pedant hell in a hurry
[01:16] <Urchlay> naw, it's not an argument, cause none of us really cares, right?
[01:16] <agentc0re> antiwire: Heh, it's very sweet!  Oh rageblog.org has some cool stuff on the front page today.  Spider is wicked!
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[01:17] <antiwire> that is fscking awesome.
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[01:17] <Urchlay> hm, fps zelda... wonder if that freak of nature guy I know could beat it without getting the sword
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[01:18] <Urchlay> (he can, for original zelda)
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[01:18] <slak__> ?
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[01:19] <antiwire> Urchlay: he beat zelda with no sword?
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[01:20] <agentc0re> HAHAHA  http://failblog.org/2009/07/20/back-to-school-fail-2/
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[01:22] <edman007> hmm...
[01:22] <antiwire> that spider shot is insane
[01:22] <antiwire> i want one of those as a pet
[01:22] <antiwire> i'd feed it chickens
[01:23] <antiwire> http://rageblog.org/2009/07/22/spider-vs-bird/
[01:23] <agentc0re> wtf..?? edman007: Received CTCP 'PING 1248276537998763' (to agentc0re) from edman007
[01:23] <edman007> yea...
[01:23] <antiwire> he tried to probe you
[01:24] <jeev> no way
[01:24] <antiwire> that means he likes you
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[01:24] <edman007> xchat was reporting a ping of 150+ seconds
[01:24] <antiwire> lol
[01:24] <edman007> i had to investigate
[01:24] <Urchlay> antiwire: he did
[01:24] <jeev> why didnt they say what type of spider that is
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[01:24] <antiwire> Urchlay: that's seriously wild.
[01:24] <agentc0re> Yes, that spider is awesome.
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[01:25] <edman007> well i'm off, night
[01:25] <antiwire> it's a Giant golden orb spider
[01:25] <antiwire> http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,20797,24540271-3102,00.html?from=public_rss
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[01:26] <antiwire> and he was hungry
[01:26] <agentc0re> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90vbsI2WQ_0 this is another spider that would do that.
[01:26] <agentc0re> bird eating goliath.
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[01:26] <eviljames> antiwire: it seemed that as a user Xorg autoconfig doesn't work fwiw though - xorg.conf file was required, but all I did was Xorg -configure && cp xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:26] <antiwire> perfect, thanks
[01:27] <eviljames> np - good luck
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[01:28] <eviljames> ooh, performance is currently poor (by kde4's fps monitor) when navigating the web :(
[01:28] <Urchlay> antiwire: I thought maybe I could do similar, beat Doom without getting the shotgun (or at least without using it), but it's really really painful to get past the first couple levels with only the pistol + chainsaw
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[01:29] <Urchlay> farm|bubba!
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[01:30] <superGear> he's away
[01:31] <agentc0re> lol Guest59545...
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[01:32] <Urchlay> did anyone in here mess with the compose key in X, besides me?
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[01:34] <jeev> no
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[01:37] <slak> hey agentc0re what the best Filesystem Encryption currently avaliable?
[01:38] <Urchlay> trying to figure out a way to define new compose-key combinations without editing a file that's owned by root, then restarting the X server
[01:38] <antiwire> i use luks on my whole /
[01:38] <antiwire> using twofish cbc
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[01:40] <slak> antiwire, is this luks ships with a Block device encryption mechanism?
[01:40] <slak> ops does this i meant
[01:41] <antiwire> luks does indeed work on block devices
[01:42] <slak> sad
[01:42] <antiwire> ?
[01:42] <fire|bird> Urchlay: lol, farm|bubba?  :P
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[01:43] <slak> theres no flexibility for the block divice encryption mechanism to encrypt different files with different keys or ciphers.
[01:43] <agentc0re> slak: Honestly i don't know anything about that.  Never haven been interested to look into it but slack does ship with luks support.
[01:43] <Urchlay> fire|bird: sure... better than fart|bubble anyway
[01:43] <fire|bird> lol
[01:43] <agentc0re> or ass|hat
[01:43] <fire|bird> haha
[01:44] <antiwire> slak: do you want filesystem encryption or *file* encryption?
[01:44] <agentc0re> which btw eviljames registered....
[01:44] <fire|bird> yes, yes he did.
[01:45] <slak> a filesystem
[01:45] <fire|bird> I don't think I'll probably be using the frame|buffer nick, I'll maybe drop that one.
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[01:46] <fire|bird> I wish phoenix wasn't registered.
[01:46] <antiwire> slak: you can use different passphrases to unlock a luks volume but each volume has its own key
[01:47] <slak> antiwire, do i have to recompile the kernel to enable it?
[01:47] <antiwire> no
[01:47] <antiwire> but you do get to reformat
[01:47] <antiwire> hahahah
[01:48] <slak> alright
[01:48] <antiwire> read the README_CRYPT on the disks
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[01:51] <ass|hat> agentc0re: wtf is wrong with my nick?
[01:52] <jeev> ok rebuilding it now antiwire
[01:52] <jeev> on 32bit 12.2
[01:52] <jeev> lets see if this filthy whore works
[01:52] <fire|bird> haha
[01:53] <fire|bird> ass|hat: not a thing.
[01:53] <slak> antiwire, youre the man
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[01:53] <antiwire> yo soy el hombre
[01:53] <jeev> no hes' not the man
[01:53] <jeev> he hasn't delivered what i need
[01:54] <antiwire> I need to prepare for that
[01:54] <jeev> aren't you already lubed up ?
[01:54] <jeev> ha ha ha, we wont make agentc0re's fantasy come true
[01:55] <jeev> fuck antiwire, i just built qemu
[01:55] <jeev> i had no idea i was supposed to build xen
[01:55] <jeev> i forgot lol
[01:56] <ass|hat> ùes is crqp&&1
[01:56] Nick change: ass|hat -> eviljames
[01:56] <eviljames> that keyboard layout didn't work at all :(
[01:56] <fire|bird> what the heck were you trying to type?
[01:56] <eviljames> 'this is crap'
[01:56] <eviljames> :P
[01:57] <fire|bird> haha
[01:57] <fire|bird> it sure was
[01:57] <fire|bird> what layout was that?
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[01:57] <Urchlay> hm. Here's a good one... http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Support-Should-Never-Be-Necessary.aspx
[01:58] <sahko> does anyone know exactly whats the issue with KDE and the panels in current? cause i had problems with the XFCE panel not starting when i booted this morning. although it worked when i restarted the X server
[01:58] <eviljames> fire|bird: whichever ctrl-alt-k went to by default, I didn't have the indicator showing
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[01:59] <Urchlay> ðï] ì_ Uà¶
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[02:00] <jeev> Urchlay, it's ok..
[02:00] <jeev> not that funny
[02:00] <fire|bird> Urchlay: did you type that with a paragraph symbol at the end? I see one. :P
[02:01] <antiwire> jeev is trying to seduce me in PM
[02:01] <antiwire> someone help me
[02:01] <jeev> wtf
[02:01] <jeev> who said anything about a penis massage
[02:01] <antiwire> don't play coy now
[02:01] Action: eviljames suspects his term isn't utf
[02:01] Action: jeev is building xen again
[02:02] <Urchlay> fire|bird: yep, a ¶
[02:02] <fire|bird> ok
[02:03] <eviljames> Urchlay: I'm guessing that wasn't A(umlaut) Paragraph
[02:03] <jeev> i can't believe nobody here uses xen
[02:03] <eviljames> jeev: I can't believe its not butter!
[02:03] <antiwire>             
[02:03] <Urchlay> it may be juvenile, but this is the first time in 15+ years I've known how to type stuff like that (and 15 years ago there weren't as many symbols available)
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[02:04] <Urchlay> eviljames: right. You're probably in iso8859-1 mode
[02:04] <jeev> hmm
[02:05] <antiwire> ;e 9
[02:05] <jeev> that doesn't look like a dhcpdump output
[02:05] <antiwire> #
[02:06] <antiwire> how about a nice  of stfu!
[02:06] <jeev> hum
[02:06] <Urchlay> A` KÆ 3c Je 10Æ   <--- never draw to an inside straight
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[02:07] <Urchlay> my font lacks the # (whatever it is)
[02:07] <antiwire> oh what's that i just rolled? „� …„
[02:08] <antiwire> Urchlay: it was a bio hazard symbol
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[02:08] <Urchlay> I was really looking for a way to enter characters by number, like the windows alt-numpad stuff
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[02:09] <antiwire> I have to hit ctrl+shift+u and then the code
[02:09] <Urchlay> yeah, that's either a KDE or a GTK thing, I can't make it work in normal xterms
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[02:09] <agentc0re> Y
[02:09] <agentc0re> what is the biohazard number?
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[02:10] <antiwire> 2623
[02:10] <Urchlay> antiwire: do you have to use the numpad to type the numbers, or will the normal number keys do?
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[02:10] <agentc0re> #
[02:10] <antiwire> Urchlay: top row
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[02:10] <antiwire> agentc0re: worked
[02:10] <agentc0re> swing!
[02:10] <SiegeX> heh, just dont put DCC SEND in front of your odd chars
[02:10] <Urchlay> cause I ain't got a numpad on this keyboard
[02:10] <agentc0re> then use the numbers up top..
[02:11] <Urchlay> yeah, what app are you using that supports that?
[02:11] <agentc0re> #$
[02:11] <redtricy1le> I'm afraid to use Slackware64 when it comes out.  Is there an issue compiling 32-bit applications?  Do most 32-bit applications come with a flag that let you compile as 64-bit?  Can I still run 32-bit applications?
[02:11] <antiwire> jeev ---> £
[02:12] <eviljames> redtricy1le: for 32bit compat, fred of slamd64 fame has a number of packages
[02:12] <jeev> suck it
[02:12] <antiwire> lol
[02:12] <fire|bird> agentc0re: which symbols are those? antiwire's shows up better than yours. biohazard and what else?
[02:12] <Urchlay> redtricy1le: (a) yes, but you can install fred's -compat32 packages to compile most stuff... (b) If the application comes in source form, it's by definition not "32-bit" or "64-bit" (although some apps really only work on 32-bit either due to bugs or embedded 32-bit assembly code). (c) yes, if you install -compat32
[02:13] <redtricy1le> Ok.  Phew, that makes me feel better
[02:13] <redtricy1le> If slackware's going 64, then it's about time that I do too =P
[02:13] <Urchlay> also I might mention, in (a), you only ever need to compile 32-bit code if it's buggy or contains 32-bit asm code. Normally, everything compiles Just Fine as 64-bit
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[02:14] <agentc0re> not sure... just trying stuff.
[02:14] <agentc0re> trying to find a chart that goes above 255..
[02:14] <antiwire> fire|bird: the second one was caduceus
[02:14] <antiwire> like the medical staff symbol
[02:14] <fire|bird> antiwire: ah, ok.
[02:14] <Urchlay> for (c) I assume you mean binary stuff (proprietary or at least precompiled). -compat32 works great for those.
[02:14] <Urchlay> agentc0re: http://www.utf8-chartable.de/unicode-utf8-table.pl
[02:15] <Urchlay> (have a look at the 2600-26FF range)
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[02:15] <Urchlay> agentc0re: so what app are you using that supports keycode input?
[02:15] <antiwire> ”
[02:15] <antiwire> KIA
[02:16] <Urchlay> antiwire: what app are *you* using?
[02:17] <fire|bird> 
[02:17] <powtrix> ?
[02:18] <antiwire> Urchlay:  none, i just got a bunch of PDFs with all the codes and technical/background descriptions http://www.unicode.org/charts/
[02:18] <Urchlay> antiwire: I mean, what app are you typing those codes into?
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[02:18] <antiwire> Urchlay: pidgin
[02:18] <antiwire> gtk
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[02:19] <agentc0re> PbYrˆTu€\
[02:19] <antiwire> haha
[02:19] <antiwire> awesome
[02:19] <Urchlay> ah. Can you try it in xterm? (I expect it to fail, but on the off chance it happens to work, I want to know how to set it up...)
[02:19] <fire|bird> agentc0re: that is sweet.
[02:19] <fire|bird> what does that look like to a non-unicode (utf) enabled person? :P
[02:19] <Urchlay> linenoise I suspect
[02:19] <agentc0re> It was rejected from the server due to invalid char.
[02:19] <agentc0re> haha
[02:20] <powtrix> ?
[02:20] <Urchlay> ¿
[02:20] <antiwire> owned
[02:20] <antiwire> hahaha
[02:20] <agentc0re> you're dots are touching :P
[02:20] <eviljames>  ÉbÉrÊÉuÊÉ
[02:20] <eviljames> that's what it looks ilke
[02:21] <fire|bird> haha
[02:21] <fire|bird> eviljames: you don't have utf enabled for irssi or your terminal?
[02:21] <agentc0re> Ö boobs..
[02:21] <eviljames> I should, it's running on osol
[02:21] <eviljames> but I'm ssh in from a machine that doesn't have utf enabled.
[02:22] <powtrix> ?
[02:22] <antiwire> this bunch is better http://www.unicode.org/charts/symbols.html
[02:22] <agentc0re> ‰ˆ
[02:22] <agentc0re> whoa!
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[02:23] <Urchlay> it's better arranged, but it sucks that all the links are PDFs
[02:23] <powtrix> ?
[02:23] <eviljames> print them - we need more dead trees.
[02:23] <powtrix> ? ? ? ?
[02:24] <Urchlay> you know, I don't even own a printer any more
[02:24] <Urchlay> powtrix: WHAT?!
[02:24] Action: eviljames cracks the wihp
[02:24] <eviljames> down boy!
[02:25] <powtrix> you cant see my chars?
[02:25] <antiwire> powtrix: nope
[02:25] <agentc0re> =- interrobang... who the hell came up with that name??
[02:25] <powtrix> agentc0re, u can see my chars?
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[02:25] <antiwire> agentc0re: that one at 23:22 jacked up my client formatting a little
[02:26] <antiwire> let me screen shot it
[02:26] <agentc0re> powtrix: nopers, just question marks.
[02:26] <Urchlay> powtrix: yours all come out as ?
[02:26] <antiwire> http://tinypic.com/r/waj3ua/3
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[02:27] <antiwire> http://i29.tinypic.com/waj3ua.jpg
[02:27] <redtricy1le> Is there anything better than Unison taht I should check out?
[02:27] <agentc0re> antiwire: Ya, did the same for me.
[02:27] <pri4pus> Hello!
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[02:27] <rworkman_> Hrm, I want to get in on the utf8 goodness
[02:28] <antiwire> haha
[02:28] <Urchlay> that was U+0488 and U+0489... "COMBINING CYRILLIC HUNDRED THOUSANDS SIGN" and "COMBINING CYRILLIC MILLIONS SIGN"... combining characters get applied to the previous character. If the first char you type is combining, it'll combine with the space the IRC client normally puts after the <nick>
[02:28] <agentc0re> Urchlay: I was just looking for that.  that's what i did.
[02:28] <powtrix> http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/9097/pow20090723032459.png
[02:29] <Urchlay> wonder why the unicode standard character names are ALWAYS WRITTEN IN FRIGGING CAPITALS?
[02:29] <antiwire> ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰
[02:29] <antiwire> my powers combined
[02:29] <eviljames> That was a LOT of gravely accented O's.
[02:29] <agentc0re> looks like a snake or centipede eating your name!
[02:29] <rworkman> ã
[02:29] <eviljames> almost... too many.
[02:30] <rworkman>  Weird.
[02:30] <Urchlay> powtrix: weird. They really are showing up as ? here, and I've got utf8/unicode stuff enabled. If they're invalid, they should show up as a ? in a filled-in circle
[02:30] <powtrix> hmrm
[02:30] <Urchlay> instead they're regular ?
[02:30] <Urchlay> you sure you got your client set for utf8 and not something like latin-1?
[02:30] <fire|bird> Urchlay: same here
[02:31] <powtrix> maybe latin
[02:31] <antiwire> tinypic seems to have just taken a crap for me
[02:31] <Urchlay> I dunno how to get xchat to play nice
[02:31] <rworkman_> Damn.  At some point, I'm going to have to disconnect my session on cardinal and set my LANG to utf8 :/
[02:31] <rworkman_> I wonder why I unset that before.
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[02:31] <agentc0re> ï
[02:31] <rworkman> ssh alamo
[02:31] <antiwire> lmao
[02:31] <rworkman> oops
[02:31] <Urchlay> Password:
[02:31] <antiwire> hooray for keys
[02:31] <agentc0re> lol
[02:31] <antiwire> ;)
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[02:32] <stealth-> hey guys
[02:32] <rworkman> hehe
[02:32] <agentc0re> ý
[02:32] <Urchlay> agentc0re: that's a ? in a circle
[02:32] <stealth-> :S
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[02:32] <Urchlay> U+FFFD
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[02:32] <agentc0re> yup.
[02:33] <antiwire> http://img98.yfrog.com/img98/2286/ccccombo.png
[02:33] <antiwire> lol
[02:33] <Urchlay> IIRC, it's invalid on purpose
[02:33] <antiwire> ý
[02:33] <agentc0re> É
[02:33] <antiwire> É_É
[02:34] <agentc0re> heh
[02:34] <agentc0re> É_Î
[02:34] <Urchlay> É_É   <--- looks more like an old-fashioned film roll than a face
[02:34] <antiwire> lol
[02:34] <nix_chix0r> beep beep wtf is with the faces
[02:34] <antiwire> johnny 5 is alive
[02:34] <Urchlay> (dunno if you remember those...)
[02:34] <fire|bird> antiwire: for that one you just posted an image of, I just got: ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰
[02:35] <fire|bird> hey nix_chix0r, how are you?
[02:35] <nix_chix0r> fantastic!
[02:35] <agentc0re> lol that looks like it's eating your GOT
[02:35] <nix_chix0r> how are you guys
[02:35] <agentc0re> Frosty the 
[02:35] <Urchlay> antiwire: did you type only the 489 and 488 characters? or were there spaces between each pair?
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[02:35] <fire|bird> nix_chix0r:  doing great here, weather has been great the past few days and is forecast to be great through the weekend.
[02:35] <antiwire> Urchlay: I spammed the two codes over and over no spaces
[02:36] <dchmelik> it seems kind of a cop-out unicode has gay signs but no copyleft sign
[02:36] <nix_chix0r> fire|bird, you stink:(
[02:36] <nix_chix0r> we're getting nothing but rain for two weeks
[02:36] <fire|bird> no wonder why I like using pidgin lately, it does unicode (utf) correctly. :P
[02:36] <nix_chix0r> i don't think northern MN has seen summer yet
[02:36] <Urchlay> antiwire: in that case, your client rendered it wrong, multiple combining chars are supposed to keep combining with the last non-combining
[02:36] <fire|bird> nix_chix0r: hahahahaha. :P
[02:36] <agentc0re> 2012's warning!  
[02:36] <antiwire> fire|bird: http://img338.yfrog.com/img338/9711/shot2.png
[02:36] <Urchlay> (at least that's my understanding. I haven't actually read the entire Unicode standard...)
[02:37] <fire|bird> antiwire: :P, all I see here of that is just little squares, but apparently it pastes to others correctly. :P
[02:37] <Urchlay> "little square" means whoever designed your font, didn't bother to incude a glyph for that character
[02:37] <fire|bird> nix_chix0r: well, at least you haven't drown. :)
[02:37] <nix_chix0r> fire|bird, wana be my sugar daddy for two weeks?
[02:37] <fire|bird> Urchlay: Liberation
[02:38] <Urchlay> fire|bird: I have no clue which fonts have what glyphs (gah, can you imagine trying to memorize that for all fonts on your system?)
[02:38] <fire|bird> nix_chix0r: :O, that's alright with your hubby? :P
[02:38] <nix_chix0r> sure:)
[02:38] <fire|bird> antiwire: you use liberation as well, correct?
[02:38] <antiwire> yeah
[02:38] <fire|bird> stupid quassel, apparently it sucks at unicode.
[02:39] <fire|bird> brb, switching to pidgin.
[02:39] <Urchlay> liberation looks like ass in xterm (or else I'm not doing it right)
[02:39] <antiwire> U261b
[02:39] <antiwire> oops
[02:39] <agentc0re> ›+"
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[02:39] <nix_chix0r> fire|bird, he's cool with it
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[02:39] <agentc0re> ¢scissor me timbers! :P
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[02:40] <antiwire> he went this way      
[02:40] <fire|bird> antiwire: which way  did he go, which way did he go? :)
[02:40] <antiwire> lol
[02:40] <dchmelik> There should be a unicode owl symbol
[02:40] <antiwire> ‰
[02:40] <dchmelik> like a wise owl
[02:40] <antiwire> whoo
[02:40] <fire|bird> antiwire: could you please try typing that again to see if pidgin shows it? The one that showed up as small squars.
[02:41] <nooper> i wouldn't mind having a facepalm emoticon in unicode
[02:41] <fire|bird> s/squars/squares/
[02:41] <antiwire> ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰ˆ‰
[02:41] <fire|bird> \o/
[02:41] <dchmelik> how did you type that caterpillar?
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[02:41] <fire|bird> what is that anyway, it looks cool.
[02:41] <antiwire> it's a mess of 2 chars over and over, repeated
[02:41] <agentc0re> @N@
[02:41] <antiwire> omfg
[02:41] <antiwire> lol
[02:41] <fire|bird> haha
[02:42] <antiwire> ®
[02:42] <Urchlay> dchmelik: the weird "artist formerly known as prince" symbol should be in unicode
[02:42] <agentc0re> http://www.utf8-chartable.de/unicode-utf8-table.pl  u+25a0 to u+299f has a lot of good ones.
[02:42] <fire|bird> Hmm, pidgin scroll as someone types is slow again. It was fine before my pixman upgrade. :/
[02:43] Action: fire|bird sends some nice weather nix_chix0r's way. :)
[02:43] <dchmelik> Urchlay: I would rather see most of the occult symbols in unicode
[02:43] <rworkman> fire|bird: does that mean pixman-0.15.18 is fuxored too?
[02:44] <agentc0re> fuxored, that's a great word. :D
[02:44] <fire|bird> rworkman: possibly, I'll have to investigate some, try downgrading to .10 and see if it is still weird.
[02:44] <rworkman> k :)
[02:44] <fire|bird> rworkman: I'll let you know. :)
[02:44] <Urchlay> dchmelik: hr, like which? pentagram/pentacle, the suits from the Tarot deck... what else? (runes are already there)
[02:44] <rworkman> Ok, thanks! :)
[02:45] <dchmelik> Urchlay: angelic symbols in my dictionary of angels
[02:45] <antiwire> fire|bird: make sure preferences > conversations > smooth scroll is still disabled
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[02:45] <fire|bird> antiwire: ok, will do. thanks.
[02:45] <dchmelik> Urchlay: and similar stuff like planetery spirit symbols
[02:45] <fire|bird> bah, it was enabled. :/
[02:45] <antiwire> hehe
[02:46] <fire|bird> how'd that happen, I didn't do it.
[02:46] <fire|bird> rworkman: Hmm, maybe pixman isn't the culprit, smooth scroll fixed this issue anyway.
[02:46] <agentc0re> antiwire: probably did it, how else did he know to tell you to look there?
[02:47] <dchmelik> Urchlay: pentagrams are no more occult than any other star polygon and runes are an alphabet... but are you saying Tarot is in there?
[02:47] <antiwire> I can see through the intartoobz
[02:47] <agentc0re> dodge this!
[02:47] <antiwire> lol
[02:47] Action: agentc0re throws lotto balls down his intertoobs!
[02:47] <Urchlay> dchmelik: no, I'm trying to think of all symbols I know of that someone might consider "occult", so I can figure out what you meant :)
[02:47] <Urchlay> tarot suits AFAIK are not in unicode
[02:47] <Urchlay> (regular playing card suits are)
[02:48] <dchmelik> well Hebrew is, which Tarot symbolizes
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[02:48] <nix_chix0r> fire|bird, i dont want the weather i want a travel companion:P
[02:48] Action: fire|bird packs his bags. :)
[02:48] <Urchlay> I meant the little swords/cups/coins/wands icons on the cards (depending on the deck, coins might be pentacles, I can't remember all the variants)
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[02:49] <dchmelik> in ten years I would like a Slackware brain AI robot
[02:49] <Urchlay> dchmelik: the only reason I know anything about the Tarot deck at all, is from using it to play a card game (called Tarok, which I really wish I could remember how to play)
[02:49] <dchmelik> I have heard of that... it sounds fun
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[02:50] <dchmelik> they should also have the Pythagorean monad, duad, triad, tetrad, pentad, hexad, heptad, octad, ennead, decad in unicode
[02:50] <Urchlay> it is, if you have a tarot deck that actually has the suit/rank symbols on the corners of the cards, like regular cards do. Otherwise it's kinda hard to glance at your hand & see what you have
[02:50] <Urchlay> we used to play with this cartoon-looking deck we christened the "Gary Larson Tarot"
[02:51] <jeev> this xen shit turned into a massive nightmare for me
[02:51] <antiwire> lol
[02:51] <jeev> it's bitching about x11
[02:51] <jeev> and i can't get grub working
[02:51] <jeev> i'll have to do it on a physical box tomorrow
[02:51] <jeev> or i could use xen live
[02:51] <Urchlay> dchmelik: if you look up tarot rules on google, you end up with 10 or 15 different variants of it, and none of them match what I remember playing
[02:52] <jeev> livecd
[02:52] <antiwire> jeev: are you still trying to setup xen inside another vm?
[02:52] Action: antiwire slaps jeev with a trout
[02:53] <jeev> yea
[02:53] <jeev> anyway
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[02:53] <jeev> it shouldn't be too hard installing xen
[02:53] <jeev> through livecd eh?
[02:53] <jeev> just copy and stuff
[02:53] <slackytude> morning
[02:53] <fire|bird> greetings slackytude
[02:53] <jeev> "morning"
[02:53] <dchmelik> I for one want to welcome new Slackware AI brain robot overlords
[02:54] <slackytude> y0 y0 fire|bird
[02:54] <slackytude> fire|bird, all fine?
[02:54] <fire|bird> slackytude: all is well, you?
[02:55] <slackytude> I overslept a bit but all is good
[02:56] <nix_chix0r> slackytude, wana go to holland?
[02:57] <slackytude> nix_chix0r, sure
[02:57] <nix_chix0r> probally going in november
[02:57] <slackytude> but what will your husband say?
[02:58] <slackytude> :P
[02:58] <tewmten> "is it mine?"
[02:58] <tewmten> he will say
[02:58] <tewmten> oh wait
[02:58] <tewmten> where to holland?
[02:59] <BP{k}> tewmten: doesn't matter its small enough ;)_
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[02:59] <slackytude> nix_chix0r, anyway,sounds nice.
[02:59] <agentc0re> thats what she said
[02:59] <tewmten> exactly
[03:00] <tewmten> dont fall off the edge!
[03:00] <tewmten> heheeh
[03:00] <tewmten> morning BP{k} =)
[03:00] <BP{k}> tewmten: moirning :)
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[03:01] <slackytude> BP{k}, arent you coming to germany soon?
[03:01] <tewmten> zee faterland
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[03:02] <BP{k}> slackytude: 12 - 24 of august
[03:03] <BP{k}> anyway, I need to mooch. back later :)
[03:03] <The-Croupier> hiya guys, hows it going for you today? :(
[03:04] <The-Croupier> greeting BP{k}
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[03:05] <fire|bird> hey tewmten, how's it going?
[03:06] <jeev> shit man
[03:06] <jeev> who uses bzip
[03:06] <jeev> i hate that crap
[03:06] <tewmten> im good
[03:06] <tewmten> i have to pee
[03:06] <tewmten> brb
[03:06] <jeev> go pee on antiwire's face
[03:06] <jeev> he's been asking for it all day
[03:07] <antiwire> :o
[03:07] <jeev> see he has his mouth open
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[03:10] <agentc0re> ...
[03:10] <v3gard> hi guys! i'm building myself a file server that uses 4x1.5TB HDDs in RAID-5 with LVM on top of that.. Currently, I don't have a UPS, but I plan on buying one in the near future.. Which is the better file system for me? XFS, JFS or ReiserFS?
[03:10] <agentc0re> seriously.
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[03:11] <tewmten> v3gard: ext3
[03:12] <v3gard> tewmten: why would you reccommend ext3 over the others?
[03:14] <sahko> its rock stable, and doesnt need a ups. xfs and (most likely) ext4 do
[03:14] <tewmten> yeah
[03:14] <antiwire> because if you screw up your FS more people know the guts of ext3 than the others so you'll have a higher probability of getting help.
[03:15] <tewmten> because if you loose power xfs, jfs, reiserfs start writing crap data all over
[03:15] <tewmten> fucking up yo shit, dawg!
[03:15] <tewmten> it was a nice article about it
[03:15] <tewmten> but i cant find it
[03:15] <v3gard> okey, thanks for the tip
[03:16] <v3gard> it's just that other forum posts I've read, ext3 is favored down when compared to the other alternatives
[03:16] <agentc0re> fwiw i use JFS.  had issues a few times losing power to my pc, but have never lost data.
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[03:17] <antiwire> v3gard: and what reasons were sited for that?
[03:17] <v3gard> I'm using ext3 myself on a desktop computer, and it is rock stable - but I've never tried it with raid and lvm before
[03:18] <The-Croupier> question: why after each update, xorg.conf gets ruined? i had to reconfigure glx and stuff after the last update, using current, slackpkg-upgrade-all
[03:18] <fire|bird> I use XFS, but I haven't had any power issues, so I don't know what the affects would be if that did occur. I backup frequently though, so I don't worry to much. If I have to reinstall or whatever, no big deal.
[03:18] <The-Croupier> damn...looks like today is a shit day internationally...:(
[03:18] <slak> a little question gurus...  when we choose a journaling support fs , automatically we have 33mb of disk spared for the transitions?
[03:18] <The-Croupier> looks like apart from mondays, thursdays are shit too
[03:19] <tewmten> i need to make a fileserver at home
[03:19] <The-Croupier> tewmten, you need?!
[03:19] <tewmten> yes
[03:19] <tewmten> because i got like three external hdd's laying on the floor right now and usb isnt that quick you know
[03:19] <tewmten> :P
[03:20] <antiwire> slak: the overhead of any FS depends on many variables; block size, journal size and location, superuser reserve, etc
[03:20] <v3gard> tewmten: you could see for yourself http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/what-to-choose-jfs-xfs-or-ext3-406978/
[03:20] <tewmten> and also 1.5TB Seagate Barracuda disks arent that pricey i saw
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[03:20] <v3gard> looks like speed is the main reason - but I actually prefer stability
[03:21] <antiwire> v3gard: do you see the common thread in those posts supporting reiser?
[03:21] <jeev> antiwire
[03:21] <jeev> vmknoppix
[03:21] <jeev> ever heard?
[03:21] <antiwire> they almost all mention speed...
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[03:21] <antiwire> v3gard: you're going to the trouble of raid for what?
[03:22] <v3gard> antiwire: mainly because I want redundancy in case something goes wrong :)
[03:22] <tewmten> when talking about storage, i dont think speed is the main factor you should focus on
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[03:23] <tewmten> if you're doing databases or such, then speed is more important
[03:23] <v3gard> tewmten: my thought exactly
[03:23] <antiwire> do you want to have a higher risk of fs corruption with a slight loss of performance or do you want to take that slight performance hit while having a more secure setup?
[03:23] <tewmten> of course more secure
[03:23] <v3gard> antiwire: as I mentioned earlier; I'm looking for stability and security.. speed isn't a priority for me
[03:23] <tewmten> i rather keep data safe than fast
[03:23] <tewmten> v3gard: so maybe ext3 or xfs then?
[03:23] <tewmten> i used to run xfs for a couple of years
[03:23] <antiwire> v3gard: I'd go with ext3 (which is what I do use on my mdadm mirror)
[03:24] <tewmten> i never had issues with it
[03:24] <tewmten> no data loss or such
[03:24] <tewmten> but also i wasnt running a storage server so..
[03:24] <The-Croupier> i have been running ext3 for some time now.. and never had any issues..;)
[03:24] <tewmten> same here
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[03:25] <antiwire> my home fileserver is a 2x750GB Linux Raid1 on a promise sata150tx card in a system that is on a UPS and running apcupsd.
[03:25] <antiwire> that mirror is fscking solid.
[03:25] <a750mhzslinky> evening all
[03:25] <tewmten> Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31500341AS, 1.5TB, SATA2, 32MB cache, 82 euros..
[03:25] <tewmten> im gonna get a bunch of those i think :D
[03:25] <The-Croupier> on the other hand, since i had no real loss problems or anything..i have good backup manners so dont know what happens in real loss or getting things back after fucking up backup and such
[03:25] <v3gard> I've also read that xfs might f*ck up (pardon the language) if the power should cut... in that case, would ext3 be the better choice?
[03:25] <tewmten> yes
[03:26] <v3gard> tewmten: allrighty
[03:26] <antiwire> v3gard: Prior to the UPS, my mirror lost power 3 times and it ended up being fine
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[03:26] <The-Croupier> yep, ext3 does have really nice power protection ;)
[03:26] <tewmten> i think these things mainly comes down to that pc hardware doesnt shut off all components at the same time when losing power
[03:26] <v3gard> then ext3 it is! thanks for all the help guys!
[03:26] <tewmten> some parts, the harddisks for example, still have power when the rest of the system is down
[03:26] <tewmten> causing the disks to perform some last operations
[03:26] <tewmten> messing stuff up
[03:26] <antiwire> write caching is a botch sometimes
[03:27] <The-Croupier> tewmten, after shut down .. hdd stays up a little
[03:27] <The-Croupier> ?
[03:27] <tewmten> The-Croupier: yeah
[03:27] <tewmten> The-Croupier: in case of a power cut
[03:27] <The-Croupier> tewmten, i new the memory used to do that for some seconds
[03:27] <antiwire> The-Croupier: not a shutdown, a powerloss
[03:27] <tewmten> we're talking milliseconds here but enough for it to get screwed
[03:27] <The-Croupier> antiwire, excuse my terminology..powerloss i ment
[03:27] <antiwire> I think the bigger issue is the powerloss during a write
[03:27] <tewmten> antiwire: exact
[03:28] <antiwire> you'll end up with swiss cheese
[03:28] <sahko> but noone guarantees no data loss after power outage. on any filesystem
[03:28] <The-Croupier> i see... what happens there... how come it stays up ...for any amount of time? does it have anything to do with circuits inside the board..or something
[03:29] <tewmten> yea
[03:29] <antiwire> and worst case, physical damage from the heads hitting the platter after not being parked while the platter was still spinning and creating lift.
[03:29] <tewmten> The-Croupier: because its expensive to make it tollerant to these things
[03:29] <The-Croupier> i see.
[03:29] <tewmten> The-Croupier: if you get more expensive disks, systems, like the bigger servers etc, its good
[03:29] <tewmten> The-Croupier: but home-pc hardware is cheaper, not so well done
[03:29] <tewmten> in this sense that is
[03:29] <antiwire> if the heads don't park while the platter(s) are still producing air currents then can crash
[03:29] <The-Croupier> tewmten, that involves having the money to buy it as well
[03:29] <tewmten> exactly
[03:29] <antiwire> then/they
[03:29] <tewmten> damn i so tireed
[03:30] <tewmten> i shouldve stayed in bed today
[03:30] <The-Croupier> tewmten, same here
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[03:30] <nix_chix0r> makin some pizza i love the thin crust dough i never feel like making it myself
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[03:31] <nix_chix0r> roll that out and throw whatever
[03:31] <tewmten> yea
[03:31] <tewmten> like italian pizza
[03:31] <tewmten> is lekker
[03:31] <tewmten> :D
[03:31] <nix_chix0r> i should have enough
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[03:33] <slak> < /dev/urandom tr -cd \[:graph:\] | fold -w 32 | head -n 1 - outputs something cute
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[03:37] <fire|bird> Well, later guys. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening} everyone. Take care.
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[03:42] <slava_dp> slak, what's cute in that?
[03:42] <slak> good password perhaps
[03:43] <slava_dp> oh noes. 32 random digit password. go remember.
[03:45] <slackytude> y0 slava_dp
[03:45] <slava_dp> hey slackytude, what's up?
[03:46] <slackytude> slava_dp, working :(
[03:46] <slackytude> slava_dp, how about you?
[03:46] <slava_dp> same, at work. my birthday today though. but i ain't very happy. just got a big cake for the workmates.
[03:47] <slackytude> gotta love it. needed to delete something in c:\users\all users but couldnt access it via explorer. but it works via cmd
[03:47] <slackytude> slava_dp, oi! Happy Birthday! :) cheer up man
[03:47] <antiwire> slava_dp: My birthday is not a happy day for me. It hasn't been a happy day for a long time
[03:47] <The-Croupier> slackytude, it always does...;)
[03:47] <slava_dp> slackytude, :)
[03:48] <antiwire> I really don't like birthday days
[03:48] <slackytude> oh, just think, the more birthdays you got, the sooner you may die
[03:48] <antiwire> hahaha
[03:48] <The-Croupier> slava_dp, HAAPPPYYYY BIRTHDAYYYYY
[03:48] <antiwire> slackytude: now that's awesome.
[03:48] <slackytude> antiwire, I knew that would cheer you up
[03:48] <slava_dp> The-Croupier, thanks man
[03:49] <The-Croupier> np, im making sure you get lots of birthdays..to fullfill what slackytude said above ;)
[03:49] <antiwire> you know what, the best birthday would be having a birthday on the same day that the space rock annihilates Earth
[03:49] <antiwire> that would be a good birthday
[03:49] <slava_dp> The-Croupier, :-) heh thanks
[03:50] <The-Croupier> slava_dp, whats wrong with your birthday... ;) come on man...;) even if things get a little rough...thats the fun of life...
[03:50] <The-Croupier> you know we all love you ...ehem ehem...
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[03:50] Action: The-Croupier coughs
[03:50] Action: slava_dp laughs
[03:50] <The-Croupier> hey there you go ;)
[03:51] <The-Croupier> GUYS, i think that happy birthday song is in order ;)
[03:51] <antiwire> I think a shotgun loaded with salt is in order
[03:52] Action: antiwire aims at The-Croupier
[03:52] <The-Croupier> happy birthday to you.... happy birthday to you....haaaapyyyy biiiirthdayyyy dear slava_dp... haaaapppyyy birthday....to yoouuuuuuuuu
[03:52] Action: antiwire fires
[03:52] Action: The-Croupier is in greece :p
[03:52] <The-Croupier> antiwire, you missed...
[03:52] <antiwire> I tip the waitress more if they don't sing for me
[03:52] <slava_dp> lol that was funny
[03:52] <The-Croupier> slava_dp, which part
[03:53] <slava_dp> * The-Croupier is in greece :p
[03:53] <antiwire> slava_dp: are you married?
[03:53] <The-Croupier> antiwire, i never tip the witresses unless they give me their phone numbers
[03:53] <The-Croupier> :p
[03:53] <slava_dp> antiwire, not yet. why?
[03:53] <The-Croupier> antiwire, amateur..:p ;)
[03:53] <The-Croupier> slava_dp, yet?!!!! damn man...
[03:53] <antiwire> slava_dp: Then go to a strip club tonight, pick a really hot girl and tell her it's your birthday. I promise it will be fun.
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[03:54] <slackytude> The-Croupier, smart move
[03:54] <slava_dp> antiwire, got a gf, she's my hot girl :)
[03:54] <antiwire> she can go too
[03:54] <slackytude> antiwire, sounds like a plan
[03:54] <antiwire> strippers love girlfriends
[03:54] <The-Croupier> slackytude, they are the only smart moves i can guarantee you on.. others...hem hem..
[03:54] Action: The-Croupier has memory loss
[03:55] <antiwire> the strippers will be all over your girlfriend
[03:55] <The-Croupier> yeah..... that is a fact... antiwire ;)
[03:55] <antiwire> they do that do the others can take you away
[03:55] <antiwire> muahaha
[03:55] <antiwire> that do/that so
[03:56] <The-Croupier> antiwire, i think im changing my last statement about you... ;) (no amateur anymore..dont know the next level though)
[03:56] <antiwire> lol
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[03:57] <antiwire> ok so I have a revision on the best birthday day: The best birthday day would be a birthday on the same day that the space rock annihilates Earth while you are getting a lap dance, in bed.
[03:58] Action: The-Croupier hates girlfriends.. they are a mess, a pain in the neck, a fcking nausance, anoy the hell out of you, and they want too many things..shut up, leave me alone..im happy with my girls
[03:58] <slackytude> The-Croupier, having issues?
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[03:58] <The-Croupier> antiwire, that is too much of a ..what is it called cokctease or something
[03:59] <alisonken1noc> instead of 'lap dance, in bed' - how about just 'lap dance' :)
[03:59] <antiwire> The-Croupier: that's what the space rock fixes
[03:59] <The-Croupier> slackytude, yep... they are starting to annoy me..
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[03:59] <alisonken1noc> The-Croupier: depends on where your zipper and her panties are
[03:59] <The-Croupier> antiwire, lol sounds like fun
[03:59] <slackytude> The-Croupier, all your girlfriends?
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[03:59] <The-Croupier> 2/3
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[04:00] <alisonken1noc> in my case, though, it would be the wife
[04:00] <The-Croupier> alisonken1noc, they are all near
[04:00] <antiwire> dude just one girlfriend is mayhem. multiple girlfriends will kill you faster than smoking old tires
[04:00] <alisonken1noc> that's why I never had more than one at a time
[04:00] <TwinReverb> if you can have multiple girlfriends you ought to apply for a job being james bond
[04:01] <The-Croupier> antiwire, man....they all all of them, want the same thing..they just invent these new ways of asking it..and most of them really really piss me off
[04:01] <antiwire> lol
[04:02] <The-Croupier> TwinReverb, i always had multiple gfs, i made a mistake being with one once..and i really regreted it.. like 3years ago..and i was a misserable moth.fcker
[04:02] <josefig> how many GB's size your / partition?
[04:02] Action: The-Croupier old nick was ionshark
[04:02] <The-Croupier> josefig, why do you have to ruin the conversation?!
[04:02] <alisonken1noc> josefig: I use 10G for / 1G for /boot 4G for swap and the rest for /home and possibly /opt
[04:03] <josefig> nice :9
[04:03] <slackytude> slava_dp, how old are you now?
[04:03] <josefig> The-Croupier, sorry 'bout that :x
[04:04] <slava_dp> josefig, 15G for / will be good.
[04:04] <slava_dp> slackytude, 23 i am
[04:04] <slackytude> oi, still got all your hair
[04:04] <slackytude> get off my lawn
[04:04] <The-Croupier> lol
[04:04] <The-Croupier> slackytude, he just got his hair..:p
[04:05] <slackytude> lol
[04:05] <TwinReverb> no that's fsck.mother get it right
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[04:05] <The-Croupier> TwinReverb, ohh sorry
[04:05] <TwinReverb> trying to find my laptop that i let someone borrow in the dorm next door on internet is like trying to find a needle in a hay stack, and i can't sit down
[04:05] <slava_dp> slackytude, i'm not on your lawn. and my hair is long.
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[04:06] <The-Croupier> \o/
[04:06] <slava_dp> TwinReverb, you let someone borrow your laptop? :-|
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[04:07] <The-Croupier> lol, wireshark... tells you the os someone is using ;)
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[04:08] <slava_dp> TwinReverb, nfs, cups, ssh etc
[04:08] <slava_dp> TwinReverb, X11 even :)
[04:09] <TwinReverb> so does nmap
[04:09] <TwinReverb> it's the sheer number OF clients that makes it difficult
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[04:14] <The-Croupier> oops looks like he lent his other laptop..or they stole this one ;)
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[04:18] <The-Croupier> oops looks like he lent his other laptop..or they stole this one ;)
[04:18] <The-Croupier> this is the last statement..;)
[04:19] <slackytude> slava_dp, you gonna party?
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[04:20] <slava_dp> slackytude, well yeah, three times. first time at work at dinnertime today, then tonight at home with the relatives, and again on Saturday with friends. though i don't have as many friends now as i used to have.
[04:21] <slackytude> sounds good
[04:21] <slackytude> where are you at again? I could over on saturday
[04:21] <slackytude> I have b33r
[04:21] Action: slava_dp is a no-drinker. i can haz coke?
[04:23] <slackytude> well, you can of course, but I dont want to travel with a lot of cocaine
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[04:27] <slava_dp> slackytude, :-)
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[04:38] <TwinReverb> anyone ever met the MRE Grinch?
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[04:38] <antiwire> If I'm writing a slackbuild script for SBo and it requires that I apply a patch to the source code of the program prior to building, should I cp the patch into $TMP and then patch from there or what is the best method?
[04:39] <slackytude> #slackbuilds
[04:40] <TwinReverb> there is an example in slackware 12.2 or 12.1 (forgot which) for patching Xfce
[04:40] <TwinReverb> i.e. patrick's slackbuild
[04:40] <antiwire> i'm confused about how to reference the actual extracted slackbuild directory after you have cd'd to another directory
[04:41] <TwinReverb> $BUILD-DIR ?  some use a variable like that
[04:41] <TwinReverb> (declared at the beginning of the script, if they use one like that at all)
[04:42] <antiwire> since $CWD is a moving target, after you cd the $CWD is no longer the dir that you were in when you executed the slackbuild script
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[04:45] <Zordrak> For anyone keeping track I'm about to RMA ANOTHER western digital hdd
[04:45] <Zordrak> 9th I believe
[04:45] <Zordrak> i only ever bought 10
[04:45] <Zordrak> although this one was a previous RMA's rpelacement
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[04:46] <Zordrak> Murder /is/ illegal, right?
[04:46] <slackytude> depends
[04:46] <slava_dp> i thought wd's have improved.
[04:47] <slackytude> for instance its fine to kill people who use windows ME and call tech support. thats not murder at al, its putting them out of their misery
[04:47] Action: Zordrak scoffs at slava_dp 
[04:48] <Zordrak> I long for the day SSD is a reasonable price
[04:48] <alisonken1noc> slackytude: good one?
[04:48] <alisonken1noc> s/one?/one!/
[04:48] <slackytude> ^-^
[04:49] <Zordrak> Fingers crossed thats the end of it now cause thats the third critical hardware failure in 3 days
[04:49] <Camarade_Tux> intel is dropping its prices
[04:49] <antiwire> TwinReverb: I completely misunderstood how $CWD works
[04:49] <Camarade_Tux> like 400$ for 160GB :D
[04:49] <Zordrak> not holding my breath cause usually i get 3-4 at a timeo
[04:49] <antiwire> it's not a moving target
[04:49] <Camarade_Tux> and morning people :)
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[04:49] <Zordrak> antiwire: no.. that would be `cwd`
[04:50] <Zordrak> CWD is just a liitle poorly named
[04:50] <TwinReverb> "whereami" == "echo $CWD"
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[04:50] <antiwire> doh
[04:50] <antiwire> Zordrak: why did that just smack me in the face like a brick?
[04:50] <antiwire> `cwd`
[04:50] <antiwire> ir ID10T
[04:51] <Zordrak> cause bricks contain small amounts of metal and your face is magnetic?
[04:51] <TwinReverb> HAHA
[04:51] <slava_dp> !funny at all
[04:52] <Zordrak> !!lazy
[04:52] <antiwire> Zordrak: is this a correct way to look at it then: CWD=$(pwd) != CWD=`pwd`
[04:52] <antiwire> hmm
[04:52] <antiwire> no
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[04:53] <slackytude> its $(cwd)
[04:53] <slackytude>  `cwd` is depreceated
[04:53] <Zordrak> antiwire: #!/bin/bash ; $CWD=$(cmd) ; cd /home ; echo $CWD ; echo $(cwd)
[04:54] <Zordrak> s/cmd/cwd/
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[04:55] <antiwire> the SBo template uses CWD=$(pwd) and now I know that $CWD isn't a "moving target". What would it look like if it were a moving target? ie: how does the declaration look if I want $CWD to always show me where a script is on a FS instead of where the script was executed?
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[04:55] <Fenix-Dark> hello gents
[04:55] <Zordrak> $(cwd) or `cwd`
[04:55] <Zordrak> bah
[04:55] <Zordrak> s/c/p/
[04:56] <Zordrak> $(pwd) or `pwd`
[04:56] <antiwire> then why does "CWD=$(pwd)" never change after the initial declaration?
[04:56] <Zordrak> because its an assignment not a reference
[04:56] <antiwire> ah
[04:56] <Zordrak> $CWD doesnt mean "call $(pwd)"
[04:56] <antiwire> what would a reference look like?
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[04:57] <Zordrak> can you even do function referencing in bash?
[04:57] <slackytude> Zordrak, heh I was confused as well. I was looking for cwd and worried why I couldnt find it
[04:57] <slackytude> doubt it
[04:58] <antiwire> Zordrak: I don't know but those two terms you used really helped to make some sense, reference vs. assignment
[04:58] <Zordrak> all that line does ($CWD = $(pwd)) is say create a var called CWD and set its value to the CURRENT value or `pwd` and leave it till i change it
[04:58] <Zordrak> s/or/of/
[04:58] <antiwire> so to change it you'd have to assign again later, say...after a cd
[04:58] <Zordrak> yes
[04:58] <Zordrak> OR
[04:58] <Zordrak> you could just call $(pwd) directly instead
[04:58] <antiwire> ok awesome, i get it now. thanks
[04:59] <Zordrak> setting $CWD = $(pwd) is just so after playing about with dirs you can easily get back where you started
[04:59] <antiwire> yep, which is exactly what I need
[04:59] <Zordrak> CWD ought to renamed SWD or START or something
[04:59] <pvn1> Hi, anyone using IPv4 over Firewire (IEEE1394)?
[04:59] <antiwire> this whole time I thought $CWD was a reference
[04:59] <slackytude> its CWD=$(pwd)
[04:59] <slackytude> just to nitpick
[04:59] <antiwire> Zordrak: yeah exactly
[05:00] <Zordrak> slackytude: im too used to perl
[05:00] <slackytude> heh
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[05:01] <slava_dp> i got told on #bash that when variable substitution takes place, $CWD will be substituted by $(pwd) each time in the code.
[05:02] <slava_dp> uh oh
[05:02] <slava_dp> confused ' with `
[05:02] <slava_dp> sorry, nm.
[05:03] <antiwire> does perl do references, in the way I *thought* this worked?
[05:03] <antiwire> as slava_dp just described
[05:04] <slava_dp> antiwire, bash has functions. you can have cwd() { pwd }.
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[05:04] <pvn1> My firewire connection with a stock linux kernel from Slackintosh 12.1 gets stalled after some usage...
[05:05] <pvn1> Anyone noticed such a behaviour with a newer kernel?
[05:05] <antiwire> pvn1: slackintosh isn't really supported in here, it's a port but I don't think it is official
[05:06] <slava_dp> the official list is slack/s390 and armedslack iirc.
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[05:06] <antiwire> pvn1: If you hang around, someone might know but slackintosh doesn't come up in here often
[05:07] <pvn1> I know. No problem as it is not related directly to Slackintosh.
[05:07] <pvn1> It's just a linux kernel issue I guess.
[05:08] <pvn1> I hope...If there are people using Slackware with IPv4 over IEEE1394 then I would be glad hearing from them if they noticed any strange behaviour.
[05:08] <TwinReverb> pvn1, no problems here
[05:09] <pvn1> TwinReverb, which kernel version do you use?
[05:10] <TwinReverb> Linux vaio 2.6.29.6 #1 SMP Sat Jul 18 01:15:06 KST 2009 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU         T5500  @ 1.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[05:10] <TwinReverb> i am usually running the most current version though
[05:11] <pvn1> OK. I'll try updating the newest kernel (chez moi, it is one of the 2.6.24 kernels....)
[05:11] <pvn1> I mean, I'll try updating TO the newest kernel ;-)
[05:12] <TwinReverb> Share this album with anyone by sending them this public link: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=15001&id=1498846474&l=3d28b58012
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[05:37] <slak> ©òÃî»Á¼°WP¬ð÷)R¯ú»îY±5µ¾ÔبóæÇz°
[05:38] <tewmten> i agree
[05:39] <slackytude> wise words
[05:39] <Zordrak> No, that's just FUD.
[05:39] <dchmelik> (¬q->¬p)->(p->q)
[05:39] <tewmten> ;Y?w??L|?X?
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[05:42] <slackytude> well, that was a philosophical discussion
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[05:43] <slackytude> a real brain teaser
[05:43] Action: slackytude downloads eclipse
[05:44] <Zordrak> slackytude: what? brain not teased enough?
[05:44] <slackytude> heh, eclipse aint that bad
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[05:47] <Zordrak> slackytude: if it werent written in java it might not be
[05:47] <Zordrak> but as it is- its the most unstable piece of software i run
[05:47] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa
[05:48] <slackytude> unstable? it might not be the quickest app in the world, nor the slimest but unstable? that it aint
[05:48] <Zordrak> crashes like a beast
[05:48] <Zordrak> regularly
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[05:48] <Zordrak> it becomes even worse when you add in php/vend
[05:48] <Zordrak> *zend
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[05:51] <slackytude> heh, never had that happened. nor did it happen to those who use it  more often than me. but they usually do java stuff in it
[05:51] <Camarade_Tux> in bash scripting, I have a list of names, I want to append '.264' at the end of each one, how should I do?
[05:51] <slackytude> Im using it for python
[05:52] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, #bash
[05:53] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: ='(
[05:53] <slava_dp> Camarade_Tux, ${name}.264
[05:53] <Camarade_Tux> I don't know why #bash is the only channel I'm reticent to join
[05:53] <slava_dp> #bash rocks, no fear :)
[05:54] <slackytude> aye
[05:54] <slackytude> but string appending is easy
[05:54] <slackytude> result=$str1$str2
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[05:54] <slava_dp> slackytude, yeah, but if a var + a string, better use {}
[05:55] <Camarade_Tux> slava_dp: that doesn't work : I have 'a="a b"' and I want to get "a.264 b.264" ;)
[05:55] <slava_dp> oh
[05:55] <Camarade_Tux> #bash is crowded
[05:55] <slackytude> thats bad, gotta split that on " "
[05:55] <Camarade_Tux>  :p
[05:55] <Camarade_Tux> I can put commas too, I can put anything I want actually
[05:56] <Camarade_Tux> make has something handy for that although I never remember the syntax :p
[05:56] <slava_dp> Camarade_Tux, please ask in #bash. they will give you a quick and professional answer.
[05:57] <slackytude> for line in myString.split(): line+=".264"
[05:57] <Camarade_Tux> slava_dp: yeah, I joined ;)
[05:57] <slackytude> python ftw!
[05:57] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: List.map (fun s -> s ^ ".264) l
[05:57] <Camarade_Tux>  ;)
[05:58] <Camarade_Tux> mine's 25% shorter ;p
[05:58] <Camarade_Tux> and NO!
[05:58] <slackytude> and we all now, the shorter the code is, the better it is
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[05:58] <slackytude> s/now/know
[05:58] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: yeah :)
[05:59] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: wanna check which ones runs faster? ;p
[05:59] <slackytude> right, lets run it on my cell phone
[05:59] <Camarade_Tux> (but I'd prefer with stay with lists of words shorter than 150_000 elements, my code would stack overflow otherwise
[05:59] <Camarade_Tux> )
[06:00] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: http://ocamljava.x9c.fr/toplevel/toplevel.html and you can also run it from javascript
[06:00] <slackytude> I was under the assumption you are having one big string
[06:00] <Camarade_Tux> and arm too ;)
[06:00] Action: dtanner wants to learn more about bash scripting in general. then dive into C.
[06:00] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: nah, *I* create the string
[06:01] <Camarade_Tux> dtanner: hopefully you're not trying to dive into dive :)
[06:01] <tewmten> dtanner: im playing around with tput, to make a top-like tool for our applications
[06:01] <tewmten> dtanner: all in bash..
[06:01] <tewmten> very geeky pervy :P
[06:01] <dtanner> i go one way. matter of fact I may wake up my gf in a moment!
[06:01] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, so, in ocalm, a string type has map methode?
[06:02] <dtanner> how goes it tewmten ?
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[06:02] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: nah, that's a list ;)
[06:02] <Camarade_Tux> and don't talk about methods with map! :P
[06:03] <tewmten> dtanner: im good
[06:03] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: or: Str.global_replace (Str.regexp " ") ".264 " s
[06:04] <slackytude> well, if its a list the python code would be  rslt = [l+="264" for l in list]
[06:04] <slackytude> aye, that would work too
[06:04] Action: Camarade_Tux wonders who said python was readable :p 
[06:04] <slackytude> heh
[06:05] <slackytude> Str.replace(" ",".264")
[06:05] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: bah, you beat me by 1 char but I can strip 4 whitespaces and you can only strip 2 so I beat you by one char! :P
[06:05] <Camarade_Tux> bah :p
[06:05] <slackytude> hehe
[06:05] <Camarade_Tux> mines run faster anyway ;)
[06:05] <slackytude> pft! mine runs anywhere
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[06:06] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: orly?
[06:06] Action: Camarade_Tux will probably use an array for his bash thing
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[06:13] <Camarade_Tux> ok, now I want to do concurrency in bash :D
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[06:15] <slackytude> besides, list operations are pretty fast. wont be much faster if at all
[06:16] <Camarade_Tux> wanna bet? :p
[06:17] <slackytude> heh
[06:17] <slackytude> I dont care really but why not. you gonna time it?
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[06:18] <Camarade_Tux> we make a 100_000 list with only "a" and append "b" to each element
[06:18] <Camarade_Tux> I can time it (I doubt you have an ocaml compiler ;) )
[06:18] <slackytude> someone send me this great ocalm java applet
[06:18] <slackytude> sure thats pretty fast
[06:19] <Camarade_Tux> hehe :P
[06:19] <Camarade_Tux> may even beat your python ;p
[06:19] <slackytude> hardly
[06:19] <Camarade_Tux> (but it's rather pretty slow)
[06:19] <slackytude> may beat jython
[06:19] <Camarade_Tux> jruby? :D
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[06:19] <slackytude> heh, no clue about ruby or jruby
[06:20] <Camarade_Tux> I need to debug a small thing in my shell script but it shouldn't take a lot of time, prepare your submission ;p
[06:20] <slackytude> I care more about unladen swallow
[06:20] <Camarade_Tux> I have almost no clue with ruby either but ruby is slow, java is slow, jruby must be slow^slow ;p
[06:21] <slackytude> java is ok - speedwise once the vm runs
[06:22] <Camarade_Tux> solved
[06:22] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: yeah, I should have written ruby is very_slow and java is slow ;)
[06:22] <Camarade_Tux> problem solved, I can kick your ass now ;)
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[06:25] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: wrap your list code into a call to gettimeofday btw
[06:27] <slackytude> whut?
[06:28] <slackytude> want a function or what?
[06:28] <Camarade_Tux> the code that iters over the list, I need to time it and we should use gettimeofday() for that
[06:28] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: well, make the list, start timer, change the list, end timer and get the time difference
[06:29] <slackytude> oh, make the list as well, huh
[06:29] <slackytude> this sounds almost like work
[06:29] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, I can't do it myself
[06:29] <slackytude> no prob, give me a sec
[06:29] <slackytude> you know Im at work
[06:30] <Camarade_Tux> oh, oops (but it's quick to do ;p )
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[06:41] <dchmelik> when I put 'sudo -i' in my /etc/profile it kept opening bash sessions until I did ^C
[06:42] <dchmelik> I guess I will have to script it somehow
[06:42] <tewmten> why would you put that in there?
[06:42] <dchmelik> it is easier that way
[06:42] <alisonken1noc> easy != correct
[06:42] <tewmten> so every user will try to open a root shell on login?
[06:43] <dchmelik> what 'every user?'  do you think I am some sysadmin?
[06:43] <alisonken1noc> dchmelik: /etc/profile is sourced for every login
[06:43] <tewmten> might as well add "%users ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" to sudoers too, right?
[06:43] <tewmten> because its easiest
[06:43] <dchmelik> no
[06:43] <tewmten> :P
[06:43] <dchmelik> maybe it is better just to set this up for wheel users
[06:44] <dchmelik> sometimes a friend might login... but I trust him with root privileges
[06:44] <tewmten> yeah i just dont understand why you would open a root shell on login
[06:44] <alisonken1noc> maybe it's better to leave it out of defaults so su  is used properly?
[06:44] <tewmten> i mean, from regular users
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[06:45] <tewmten> there is this thing called sudoscript that logs everything that a user does while he has opened a root shell
[06:45] <tewmten> i havent played around with it that much though
[06:45] <dchmelik> I will have to find a command that returns the group of the logged in user
[06:45] <tewmten> groups(1)
[06:46] <dchmelik> the output makes me think this is going to be complicated to script
[06:46] <tewmten> not really
[06:46] <tewmten> what do you want to do?
[06:47] <dchmelik> check the output for 'wheel' and if it is there do 'sudo -i' or whatever makes one root
[06:47] <tewmten> hm
[06:47] <dchmelik> except I thought of something else that will make it complicated
[06:47] <dchmelik> I only want to do it in an xterm
[06:47] <tewmten> echo `groups $USER` | grep wheel ; if [ $? = 0 ] ; then sudo -i ; fi
[06:47] <tewmten> :)
[06:48] <dchmelik> ok... and /etc/profile is probably not the right place
[06:48] <dchmelik> I should have realized the grep part
[06:48] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, http://pastebin.com/m31900418
[06:48] <alisonken1noc> however - doesn't sudo -i call the default shell, which sources /etc/profile, which calls the default shell, which sources /etc/profile, ..... ?
[06:48] <tewmten> yep
[06:48] <tewmten> and if root is in the wheel group.. :P
[06:48] <alisonken1noc> :)
[06:49] <dchmelik> it is?
[06:49] <dchmelik> I see that it is
[06:49] <tewmten> but enclose the whole thing inside a if [ `id -u` != 0 ]; then .... ; fi
[06:49] <tewmten> so it will only apply to non-root users
[06:50] <dchmelik> yeah, I had thought of something like that....
[06:51] <tewmten> dchmelik: http://pastebin.com/m16db5f30
[06:51] <dchmelik> konsolerc does not look like something I can put it in
[06:51] <tewmten> that should do it
[06:51] <tewmten> :)
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[06:51] <tewmten> worked for me
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[06:52] <dchmelik> I suspect if I put it in /etc/profile then I will have the problem of running X as root again
[06:52] <tewmten> well
[06:52] <tewmten> you shouldnt run X as root anyway
[06:52] <dchmelik> because it really changes you, right?
[06:52] <dchmelik> like after I 'sudo -i' and type whoami it says root instead of my user....
[06:52] <tewmten> yeah
[06:53] <tewmten> which is correct
[06:53] <dchmelik> I guess it would fit in a configuration like in KDE for starting an xterm
[06:53] <tewmten> yeah..
[06:53] <tewmten> maybe that is more appropriate
[06:54] <tewmten> add a if [ $TERM -eq 'xterm' ]
[06:54] <tewmten> or something..
[06:54] <tewmten> i dunno
[06:54] <tewmten> :)
[06:54] <dchmelik> that sounds interesting
[06:54] <tewmten> i have to get back to work, good luck
[06:54] <dchmelik> ok, thanks....
[06:56] <dchmelik> It seems it might not work with 'if $TERM,' but one could put it in a script to run with the terminal if it cannot just go in the same place as the terminal command....
[06:57] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: results: your code first beat me
[06:58] <slackytude> hooray for boobies!
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[06:58] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: then I changed a few things with the gc (easy params) and ocaml is twice faster than python ;)
[06:58] <slackytude> pastebin your source
[06:58] <slackytude> plz
[06:58] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, just a second, I'm removing the useless gc params
[06:59] <Camarade_Tux> btw, I made both code run the list ops ten times
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[07:00] <slackytude> so much for slow, eh
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[07:01] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: http://ocaml.pastebin.com/m5c722504
[07:01] <quasar> boobies are nice.
[07:02] <Camarade_Tux> Gc.minor_heap_size=1*1024*1024 means I make a bigger minor heap* but which still fits in L2 cache
[07:02] <Camarade_Tux> btw, 2*1024*1024 gives better results ;)
[07:04] <Camarade_Tux> and the final timings are: 370ms for python, about 120ms for ocaml ;)
[07:04] <quasar> slackboy: I'd demand a recount.. this guy seems shady.
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[07:04] <alisonken1noc> how about 2*1024^2
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[07:05] <Camarade_Tux> ^ # (^)
[07:05] <Camarade_Tux> - : string -> string -> string = <fun>
[07:05] <Camarade_Tux> it's used for string concatenation ;)
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[07:10] <Camarade_Tux> btw, about tweaking the garbage collector settings, the reason is that ocaml's gc isn't configured for gigantic bulk allocations by default
[07:11] <Camarade_Tux> good, 96ms, using rev_map instead of map (which means the list is reversed)
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[07:16] <Starchaser> which package i have to install to enable gcc? I've installed "gcc-4.2" and "gcc-g++", but still got "C compiler gcc is not found" in tarball ./configure
[07:16] <Starchaser> (slackware 12.2) sorry for my english
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[07:22] <Camarade_Tux> Starchaser: run 'which gcc'
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[07:47] <CyberS0nic> Good Morning
[07:48] <dtanner> Vietnam
[07:50] <alisonken1noc> that's "Goooooooooooooood Morning Vietnam"
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[08:00] <fawcao> :P
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[08:15] <zsejk> busy channel...
[08:15] <alisonken1noc> usually is about this time
[08:15] <zsejk> hehe... figured as much :)
[08:15] <slava_dp> nothing to discuss. nobody has any issues :)
[08:16] <zsejk> lol that must be it ;) anyone tried the new 64-bit version yet?
[08:16] <alisonken1noc> yeah - only seasoned slackers either working or with a sleeping disorder now
[08:16] <zsejk> or those in europe, of course ;)
[08:16] <alisonken1noc> several - I'll be working on it soon
[08:17] <thrice`> zsejk: yep, of course :>
[08:17] <v4nelle> guys there is screenlets packages for slack?
[08:18] <alisonken1noc> what's screenlets? kde4 plasmoid?
[08:19] <v4nelle> yeap....but for gnome
[08:19] <v4nelle> http://www.screenlets.org/index.php/Download
[08:19] <v4nelle> but i havexfce
[08:19] <alisonken1noc> gnome is not supported in slackware - need to look at gsb or dropline for that stuff
[08:20] <thrice`> it's supported, just not provided
[08:21] <v4nelle> i find zenwalk packages
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[08:27] <Starchaser> Camarade_Tux, /usr/bin/gcc
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[08:29] <slava_dp> Starchaser, run it.
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[08:31] <kejen> I still need to try xfce
[08:31] <kejen> I hate kde, gnome I like but it's just too much, so always use *box
[08:31] <slava_dp> kejen, xfce is good. 4.4.3 at least. never used 4.6.
[08:32] <thrice`> 4.6 is even nicer :)
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[08:35] <shpendk> kde 3.5 was ok
[08:35] <shpendk> but the 4 version sucks totally
[08:35] <alisonken1noc> kde 3.5 _is_ ok
[08:35] <shpendk> yes
[08:36] <shpendk> i still use it
[08:36] <gtl> yo all
[08:36] <slava_dp> 3.5 sucks totally. 4.2 is great.
[08:36] <shpendk> slava -.-
[08:37] <shpendk> bash rocks em all:p
[08:37] <slava_dp> i could not stand using konqueror as a file browser, dolphin is just a thousand times better ;)
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[08:38] <shpendk> well setting up the right global shortcuts, konqueror was quit amusing
[08:38] <shpendk> u wouldn't have to use the mouse that much (:
[08:38] Nick change: bunnyy -> gluc
[08:38] <shpendk> *quite
[08:38] <quasar> Akonadi is eventually going to drive me away from KDE
[08:38] Nick change: gluc -> colombia
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[08:41] <Zordrak> Bastards. It's out of warranty. So.. disk dies, they send another that lasts <1yr.. but long enough to expire the pissing warranty.
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[08:45] <quasar> toss it in a freezer for a few hours.. worked a few times for me lol
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[08:48] <Zordrak> the head is being snapped back off the disk
[08:48] <Zordrak> you can hear the head hitting the back point
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[08:49] <init[1]> http://matadorchange.com/intolerable-beauty-chris-jordan-photographs-american-mass-consumption/
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[08:55] <Zordrak> actually its probably hitting the middle of the spindle
[08:55] <v4nelle> guys i try to build vbox and it tell me "libcap not found at -lcap or libcap headers not found" but i have installed libcap
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[08:56] <shpendk> look at the vbox config file, where is it searching for libcap
[08:57] <bigtfishbone> Hey guys. can any1 tell me where i can learn commands for my KDE Terminal Emulator ?
[08:57] <v4nelle> shpendk, `slackbuild u mean?
[08:57] <shpendk> in the KDE Terminal Emulator handbook LOL
[08:57] <shpendk> is it a package or are u building it?
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[08:59] <v4nelle> i uilt it from slackbuilds
[08:59] <v4nelle> i ahave slack654
[08:59] <v4nelle> 64*
[09:00] Action: Dominian uses the binary installer
[09:00] <pprkut> bah, ose ftw :P
[09:01] <pprkut> v4nelle: you need a newer version than 2.1.x for -current to find libcap correctly
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[09:01] <v4nelle> i go to try it :)
[09:01] <shpendk>  bah, ose ftw :P ???
[09:01] <Dominian> pprkut: ose ftw would be true if it included sata support :P
[09:01] <Dominian> and usb support
[09:02] <pprkut> v4nelle: I think I have scripts for 2.2.x on github
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[09:02] <pprkut> Dominian: there's partial sata support ;)
[09:02] <v4nelle> when slack 13.0 realesed,slackbuilds will update?
[09:02] <pprkut> yes
[09:02] <shpendk> whats the schedule for slack 13 ?
[09:02] <slava_dp> shpendk, when it's ready.
[09:03] <Dominian> pprkut: "partial" doesn't = full :P
[09:03] <Dominian> v4nelle: sometime in the near future
[09:03] <shpendk> slava_dp: and at what date is that?
[09:03] <quasar> second thrusday of next week
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[09:03] <Dominian> 4th tuesday in Autumn
[09:03] <pprkut> Dominian: you can't please everyone with ose, that's true
[09:04] <Dominian> pprkut: Yeah.. like me
[09:04] <Dominian> :P
[09:04] <slava_dp> shpendk, this kind of information is very expensive. a donation to Pat and will know ;)
[09:04] <shpendk> yeah sure..
[09:04] <shpendk> i'm on
[09:05] <pprkut> v4nelle: note, that for vbox to compile on slack64 you'll need 32compat libs
[09:05] <pprkut> ie, gcc, g++ and glibc
[09:05] <v4nelle> oh....no....for slamd64 site....right?
[09:05] <alisonken1noc> I'm still betting on sometime before christmas
[09:06] <alisonken1noc> v4nelle: slackware now comes as slackware64 official on the release of 13.0
[09:06] <alisonken1noc> and the 32-bit compat packages will still come from slamd64 for now
[09:06] <v4nelle> i talk about 32compact
[09:06] <pprkut> v4nelle: for example, yes
[09:06] <Starchaser> slava_dp, Camarade_Tux : it works fine, but ./configure of any tarball cannot find gcc
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[09:09] <gtl> i'm trying to install kdebluetooth slackbuild on kde 4 and -current
[09:09] <gtl> sbo install crashes on qt3 dep
[09:10] <gtl> even installing qt3, installation fail
[09:10] <gtl> any tips?
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[09:18] <MehaHager888> .Ó
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[09:19] <Zordrak> gtl: when you say "even installing qt3, installation fail" what do you meanL?
[09:19] <gtl> Zordrak, same error, let me try again and pastebin
[09:20] <Zordrak> qt3 from /extra?
[09:20] <gtl> yes
[09:21] <Zordrak> you will prolly have to mod the slackbuild to tell it to find qt3 at its install location instead of qt4 in the default qt location
[09:22] <gtl> http://pastebin.com/d61b01906
[09:22] <gtl> ah!... thanks, will try that
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[09:29] <gtl> Zordrak, passing something like --qt-dir=/<path-to-qt3> ?
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[09:30] <Zordrak> sthg like that
[09:30] <Zordrak> youll have to check the configure script's help in the app source
[09:30] <ma-and> trying to convince my friend to choose Slackware over Gentoo, any arguments I could lay on him?
[09:31] <superGear> slackware is easier to setup
[09:31] <superGear> and much shorter
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[09:31] <ma-and> Yeah I've said that
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[09:31] <superGear> and less headache if things go south
[09:31] <guax> slackware is simple, pretty simple
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[09:32] <superGear> and we are friendly
[09:32] <ma-and> he mentioned portage or whatever
[09:32] <guax> we just choose with care our friends
[09:32] <guax> =P
[09:32] <superGear> while portage is nice it actually gives you less control IMO
[09:33] <ma-and> He likes gnome and not that much of a KDE guy, that's the point on which I ran cold. Can't argue with that
[09:34] <guax> if he is lazy forget about it, slackware is simple but requires work, it assumes that you will adapt the software to you and not that you will adapt yourserlf to the software
[09:34] <bigtfishbone> NOOB HERE: How do i find manual or such for yakuake ? /cry
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[09:34] <guax> bigtfishbone, what mistery could yakuake bring that need manual?
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[09:35] <bigtfishbone> i need to know the basic commands
[09:35] <ma-and> guax he's up for the work. he thinks that gentoo is easier to manage with dependecies package manager
[09:35] <NaCl> ma-and: there are GNOME distributions for Slackware
[09:35] <paul424> hey if I want to isntall netbeans should I use the defualt installing script provided with it ? how do I uninstall it then ?
[09:35] <ma-and> NaCl yeah but not any recent updated ones
[09:35] <guax> bigtfishbone, f12 or your key to bring it visible and that is all =P, the rest fallows the konsole standard
[09:36] <bigtfishbone> oh... welll thanks
[09:36] <bigtfishbone> ^
[09:36] <guax> paul424, use the default script provided with it, and run it as user
[09:36] <bigtfishbone> ^^ *
[09:36] <bigtfishbone> 4~
[09:36] <NaCl> ma-and: http://gnomeslackbuild.org/ <- Looks pretty recent to me
[09:36] <guax> to remove, delete .netbeans* and the installation directory, it provides uninstalll.sh with it as well
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[09:38] <paul424> guax: how do I rremove it then ?
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[09:38] <guax> cd your_netbeans_dir/; ./uninstall.sh
[09:38] <paul424> ahh ok
[09:38] <NaCl> There's also the SlackBuild.
[09:38] <bigtfishbone> guax i diden't setup this computer and it got this theori that the guy that did changed alle the configurations for the keys... is there any other ways to find a list over commands?
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[09:39] <guax> bigtfishbone, its configuration menu has the commands settings
[09:39] <bigtfishbone> ok thx
[09:39] <ma-and> NaCl have you used GSB before?
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[09:40] <NaCl> Once, a long time ago.
[09:41] <bigtfishbone> killall yakuake
[09:41] <ma-and> So there is no .iso images
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[09:42] <NaCl> Doesn't look like it.  When I installed it, I built it from source.
[09:42] <ma-and> how did you go about doing that
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[09:44] <NaCl> The GSB download instructions suggest slapt-get. :/
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[09:51] <superGear> Gnome is evil!
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[09:51] <superGear> j/k
[09:51] <superGear> slapt-get is evil tho
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[09:56] <thumbs> NaCl: then the GSB maintainers must be pretty clueless
[09:57] <thrice`> why's that?
[09:57] <NaCl> http://gnomeslackbuild.org/download/
[09:58] <thumbs> NaCl: they need a $clue
[09:58] <thrice`> seems like a good way to get something like gnome installed.  if you don't like it, remove it afterwards
[09:58] <superGear> GSB should switch to slackpkg or smthin other than slapt-get
[09:59] <superGear> tho i guess slapt would be ok if you are only going to use it for gsb
[09:59] <thumbs> as long as you only specify those packages and it doesn't install other crap behind your back, I guess
[09:59] <thumbs> does slapt-get do that?
[10:00] <superGear> no
[10:00] <superGear> only installs from the mirrors you set
[10:00] <thumbs> oh, that's good, I guess
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[10:01] <superGear> GBS replaces some slackware libs cause it has to
[10:01] <superGear> but I'm not a Gnome fan
[10:01] Action: superGear likes KDE4 better
[10:01] <superGear> and Gnome lite (xfce4)
[10:03] <thrice`> yeah, it needs to replace the stock gtk+ stuff, as slackware's generally lags behind
[10:07] <tewmten> anyone in the netherlands area intressted in a linux sysadmin job? php skills is a plus
[10:08] <tewmten> :)
[10:09] <tewmten> anyone but C00re, because he sucks
[10:09] <tewmten> *lulz*
[10:09] <quasar> What kind of proximity to the netherlands are we talking? I mean, compared to the sun I'm in the area, I think.
[10:10] <tewmten> well, if you can show up at the office in amsterdam at 9 in the morning?
[10:10] <tewmten> :D
[10:10] <quasar> what time is it now?
[10:10] <tewmten> 16:10
[10:10] <tewmten> this is GMT+01
[10:10] <quasar> very possible to do
[10:10] <C00re> tewmten: w00t
[10:10] <tewmten> C00re: go back to sleep
[10:10] <tewmten> :D
[10:11] <C00re> nah, watching the simpsons and make food is better
[10:11] <tewmten> tru
[10:11] <tewmten> what food you make?
[10:11] <tewmten> make something for me also
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[10:11] <C00re> korv
[10:12] <tewmten> word
[10:12] Action: spook is playing with lolcode
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[10:12] <NaCl> CAN HAS HAX?
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[10:13] <guax> CAN HAS STDIO?
[10:13] <guax> LOL aeuhaeuhea
[10:15] <C00re> #include "lol.h"
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[10:46] <Camarade_Tux> starting my first slackbuild *emotion*
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[10:47] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: oh!  there is no emoticon for what I am feeling right now!
[10:48] <superGear> ::evil
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[10:50] <Camarade_Tux>  :)
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[11:04] Action: eviljames starts looking for yesterdays openssh 0day
[11:04] <eviljames> ... no?  Nothing?
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[11:05] <eviljames> haw haw http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jul/0341.html
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[11:11] <eviljames> ok off to work i go..
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[11:13] <U2> Hi guys. Whenever I login or open Konsole, I don't see any cookie anymore. Instead I see a message: fortunes2: no such file or directory      something like that... what is the problem?
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[11:14] <U2> fortunes2 file is present in the bsd games directory...
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[11:21] <BP{k}> oh well, if you can't be arsed to sit around for a second and wait.
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[11:22] <haldir> heh, you said arsed...heh
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[11:35] Action: Camarade_Tux pats slackboy 
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[11:40] <haldir> brown noser
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[11:42] Action: pri4pus thinks that Google Chrome OS project sucks!
[11:43] Action: Necos thinks people are making too much fuss over something so trivial... another day, another distro
[11:44] Action: Camarade_Tux agrees with pri4pus 
[11:44] <snL20> google is trying to take over the world!
[11:44] <snL20> :D
[11:45] <Camarade_Tux> moblin would be better, partly because it already exists and works
[11:45] <haldir> and we have seen google is happy to work with governments to oppress their people
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[11:47] <pri4pus> By the way, what search engines slackers prefer to use?
[11:47] <Necos> heh. #1 answer is...
[11:47] <haldir> the new M$ one of course
[11:48] <straterra> whats microdollar?
[11:48] <quasar> that's not a search engine! that's a "decision engine" !
[11:49] <Necos> multiple $sclerosis
[11:50] <pri4pus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome_OS The design principles are very interesting. I would like to see them implemented and working...
[11:50] <haldir> that is the fleecing of the multitiudes
[11:50] <fred> pri4pus: bing.
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[11:51] <pri4pus> fred: Waw, I like bing. Looks nice, and better than google.
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[11:55] <pri4pus> Hah, but bing is a microsoft product. I don't like microstuff.
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[11:56] <pri4pus> Also google displays results in a better format.
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[12:00] <pri4pus> http://vadlo.com/cartoons.php?id=1
[12:08] <jeev> bing sucks
[12:08] <jeev> their images suck too
[12:08] Action: Necos stabs jeev
[12:08] <Necos> ^_^
[12:08] <jeev> i mean it
[12:08] <jeev> it's slow too
[12:08] <quasar> bing is chinese for "disease"
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[12:09] <jeev> hahah
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[12:10] <jeev> well i got slackware 12.2 (http://www.stacklet.com/node/13) booted inside knoppix xen
[12:10] <jeev> inside virtualbox lol
[12:10] <quasar> but strange translations is nothing new... Vista means Chicken in some language.. I forget which
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[12:26] Action: eviljames <- will always hate management until he joins their ranks.
[12:26] <Necos> hehehe
[12:27] <Necos> you could have fooled me ej :P
[12:27] <eviljames> You know, for a small business this place feels an awful lot like Office Space.  I have 3 managers - each with different sets of priorities (that often contradict one another)
[12:27] <Necos> lol
[12:27] <eviljames> Necos: When I worked for GE I had a team of 60 people working for me - so from experience I can say it's much better to be on top.
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[12:28] <Necos> ummm, ya think?
[12:29] <eviljames> After I quit they ended up outsourcing that whole office to Venezuela.  1500 jobs gone *poof* just like that.
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[12:31] <Necos> damn...
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[12:33] Action: Zordrak stabs wireshark for taking so damn long to compile
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[12:38] <Necos> lol you could just use the textmode version or tcpdump :P
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[12:39] <jeev> well im going to try building xen again
[12:39] <jeev> on slackwizare, physical box
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[12:39] <Zordrak> i compile it as part of my standard slack installation process... you never know when you're gonna need it
[12:40] <thrice`> yes, but recall how noob jeev is :(
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[12:40] <Zordrak> but i certainly am tempted to keep a package and use that rather than recompile on each bok
[12:40] <straterra> Uhm..
[12:40] <straterra> Why would you recompile for every machine?
[12:40] <straterra> That's quite retarded
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[12:41] <straterra> Welcome to 1985..Packages for an os/architecture...not an individual package for every machine
[12:41] <FED2> Good afternoon. Is this the right channel to ask questions on the Slackware64 -current or should I ask at #slamd64?
[12:42] <Urchlay> this is the right place
[12:42] <Urchlay> (morning, people)
[12:42] <TwinReverb> FED, yes
[12:42] <TwinReverb> FED2, yes, this channel for Slackware64
[12:42] <FED2> ok.
[12:43] <FED2> I'm reading the Slackware home page now.
[12:43] <FED2> I decided to migrate from another Linux distro to Slackware.
[12:43] Action: Zordrak continues stabbing until he reaches Section 24
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[12:43] <Zordrak> FED2: surely the decision to migrate should come after the learning about the distro?
[12:43] <jeev> thrice`, burn in a lawn mower accident
[12:44] <thrice`> with fire?
[12:44] <FED2> But I'm not sure where to get the 64bit version.
[12:44] <FED2> I don't know if the CDs are 32-bit only or not.
[12:44] <TwinReverb> >.<
[12:44] <jeev> the fire from when i insert my foot into your ass and ignite the jalapeno's that were attached to my shoe
[12:44] <thrice`> FED2: slackware 13 will be the first with 64-bit support
[12:44] <Zordrak> FED2: i just dont even know where to start lecturing you on that sentence
[12:44] <thrice`> FED2: everything until this next release (now at RC1) has been 32-bit only
[12:45] <Zordrak> thrice`: RC1+1 :)
[12:45] <TwinReverb> FED2, right now you'd have to mirror slackware64-current just about to burn a DVD of it.  granted i think there are some ISOs out there somewhere, but as of right now there are no official releases (slackware64 is sitting at 13.0-rc1)
[12:45] <quasar> FED: 64bit will be "Slackware64-<version>" .. I do believe
[12:45] <straterra> RC1+1?
[12:45] <straterra> WTF is that?
[12:45] <straterra> Release Candidate Mathematics?
[12:45] <giant81_> its like RC1++
[12:46] <init[1]> http://www.cybercellmumbai.com/cyber-crimes/irc-crime
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[12:46] <Zordrak> or maybe RC1.1
[12:46] <Dominian> FED2: There are no installation media at this time for slackware64-current
[12:46] <Necos> isn't it like ++RC1?
[12:46] <Dominian> When the release comes.. which should be RealSoonNow(tm) there'll be media
[12:46] <Zordrak> Necos: no, thats an operation
[12:46] <straterra> RC1.1?
[12:46] <FED2> So I need to partition the disc using the rootdisk
[12:47] <Zordrak> Necos: not a designatioen
[12:47] <giant81_> wow, the definition of IRC under the headeding IRC Crime
[12:47] <Zordrak> >.<
[12:47] <giant81_> wth
[12:47] <Urchlay> no official installation media... you can use alienBOB's mirror-slackware-current script to create your own iso
[12:47] <Necos> RC1++ is an operation too :P
[12:47] <straterra> Since when does Pat do sub-version release candidates?
[12:47] <Zordrak> FED2: Thish noob ish not ready yet..
[12:47] <giant81_> it's like saying linux is only good for hacking, so if you find linux on anything, they are hackers
[12:47] <TwinReverb> you shouldn't need a mirror-slackware-current script to do it, it's actually rather easy
[12:48] <thrice`> Zordrak: huh?  why so rude?
[12:48] <TwinReverb> rsync to it, then the instructions are in isolinux/
[12:48] <eviljames> TwinReverb: my mirror-slackware-script is called "rsync"
[12:48] <Zordrak> thrice`: cause the bridge of my nose hurts
[12:48] <thrice`> there was a new -current iso done tuesday, it'd be far easier to just use that
[12:48] <Urchlay> TwinReverb: true. But using someone else's script is even easier/lazier :)
[12:48] <NaCl> there's always the USB installer...
[12:48] <thrice`> Zordrak: well, if you don't have anything to help out someone new, I don't think insulting him is anything useful at all
[12:49] <straterra> thrice`: conversely, insulting Zordrak is always great fun
[12:49] <thrice`> yeah, true
[12:49] <FED2> Anyway, thanks for the answers.
[12:49] <Urchlay> init[1]: that page defines IRC, but doesn't seem to define "IRC crime"
[12:50] <FED2> I think that I can find my way from here.
[12:50] <nix_chix0r> hey straterra i have a big 132 ounce juice container that's half full of change mostly quarters , dimes, nickles how much you think is in there
[12:50] <Zordrak> thrice`: theres nothing he has asked for which the answer isnt widely available to anyone with google and 5 minutes. First thing he said was he had decided to switch to slack...... but without knowing ANYTHING about slack
[12:50] <Zordrak> thrice`: thats when i switched off my helpful glands
[12:51] <straterra> nix_chix0r: hmm..
[12:51] <thrice`> FED2: you can either wait for 13.0 to officially come out, or use a -current ISO (unofficial) from: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/ISO-images/slackware/Current-ISO-build/  .  just keep in mind the latter is "almost" the final product, which can be updated very easily when 13 comes out
[12:51] <TwinReverb> Zordrak, how can you assume he knows nothing about slackware?  he said he was reading the website... so what?
[12:51] <nix_chix0r> straterra, gona wait till it's full to the brim before taking it to the bank but i'm curious on how much is in there. maybe a couple hundo or more
[12:51] <straterra> nix_chix0r: Lemme see..I had a huge bottle like 1/4 full of pennys and had like $400...so..
[12:51] <Urchlay> victimâ¬"s e-mail address <--- appears to have missing/incorrect encoding header
[12:52] <thrice`> Zordrak: who cares?  calling someone a "noob" is retarded.  if you don't feel like answering his question, just don't comment.
[12:52] <straterra> nix_chix0r: yeah..I'd say so
[12:52] <quasar> Zordrak: you were a noob once too!
[12:52] <Zordrak> thrice`: you have seen the advert, right?
[12:52] <thrice`> he was looking at the homepage and reading about the installation
[12:52] <Zordrak> thrice`: i forget from whence you hail
[12:52] <straterra> quasar: Yeah..like now.
[12:52] <nix_chix0r> i think i might take that money and go crazy like go skydiving, or buy a tv for the bedroom:P
[12:52] <FED2> I decided to switch to Slackware because I read that the policy is to modify less the original softwares than, let's say, in Debian
[12:52] <straterra> FED2: That's true
[12:53] <straterra> nix_chix0r: I'd go for the TV..more return for your buck
[12:53] <nix_chix0r> yeah i'm thinking of getting something bigger than a 40" and take that tv and swap out for the one in the living room
[12:53] <straterra> Hmm..maybe you don't need bigger
[12:53] <straterra> My stepdad has a 44" thats VERY nice..I prefer it over the 65"
[12:53] <Urchlay> a "video wall" for the bedroom?
[12:54] <straterra> Much better picture..much crisper and more vibrant colors
[12:54] <nix_chix0r> well i have everything synced up with the media box in the living room so i can just ssh to that and play off mplayer of my movies in the bedroom
[12:54] <TwinReverb> FED2, ok
[12:54] <nix_chix0r> i have a 40" and that seems to be a perfect size
[12:54] <straterra> nix_chix0r: ever looked at mythtv?
[12:55] <straterra> As a front end for that, I mean
[12:55] <nix_chix0r> yeah i thought about it i've used it before
[12:55] <nix_chix0r> i was going to put that on there but i just wanted to grab all that stuff from my buddy first
[12:55] <eviljames> Urchlay: I think that's a terrible idea.  The bedroom is for 2 purposes: Sleeping and 'relations'.
[12:55] <nix_chix0r> spend two days rsyncing it over
[12:55] <nix_chix0r> couple tb
[12:56] <Zordrak> eviljames: depends how comfy your sofa is
[12:56] <nix_chix0r> eviljames, i can have "relations" anywhere in my house
[12:56] <Necos> lol
[12:56] <nix_chix0r> and my living room set is pretty damn comfy
[12:56] <Urchlay> eviljames: some people watch porn while they have "relations"?
[12:56] <eviljames> nix_chix0r: I'm not debating that.
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[12:57] <straterra> I prefer porn before relations
[12:57] <nix_chix0r> i had to force my self to actually stop sleeping out on the couch at night
[12:57] <Necos> nix_chix0r: that is win
[12:57] <nix_chix0r> i need backround noise and there are no computers humming in my bedroom
[12:57] <giant81_> nix_chix0r, I've got a king sized bed
[12:57] <Urchlay> I dunno, I live in a rented room, it's got a bed and computers (no TV though)
[12:57] <nix_chix0r> :o
[12:57] <giant81_> nix_chix0r, but it sucks so bad, you'd probably rather be on the couch
[12:57] <eviljames> Urchlay: That's terribly uninspired.
[12:58] <eviljames> the porn while relations thing.  I'd be kinda insulted if a gal suggested that.
[12:58] <TwinReverb> why anyone would want to watch porn during anything they do is beyond me
[12:58] <eviljames> and certainly confused if a guy suggested it to me...
[12:58] <Urchlay> eviljames: I agree with you... but, eh, there are people who wouldn't, I suppose
[12:58] <nix_chix0r> i think it would be pimp to take like two california king size beds put them together and just have a "bed" room
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[12:58] <nix_chix0r> oh the possibilities
[12:58] <giant81_> why not? I dont' watch porn while, but I've watched it with women and it's gotten them in the mood
[12:58] <TwinReverb> that's like physically being with someone while mentally being with someone else
[12:58] <eviljames> giant81_: I was referring specifically to 'during'  pre- or post- porn are both completely acceptable :P
[12:59] <agentc0re> straterra: Only you would say something like that :P
[12:59] <Zordrak> Yo dawg, we herd you like porn, so we put a porno in your porno so you can fap while you fap
[12:59] <TwinReverb> if you had a decent personality you wouldn't need anything else to get them in the mood :D :P
[12:59] <nix_chix0r> bad move we tried watching "pirates" in HD surround sound and that was the worst porno ever and i had to stop it because i was cracking up so damn much
[12:59] <Urchlay> pirates of the caribbean? pretty sure it's not a porno...
[12:59] <giant81_> eviljames, I've had porn running 'durring' but that is because it was 'pre-' we never got to shutting off before we got into it
[12:59] <nix_chix0r> no it's just called pirates
[13:00] <nix_chix0r> i've yet to see a good looking guy in any porno
[13:00] <agentc0re> Urchlay: No no, Butt Pirates of the Caribbean.
[13:00] <nix_chix0r> the women ehhhhh have improved
[13:00] <powtrix> trying compile chromium-bsu returns: checking for pngBind in -lglpng... no
[13:00] <powtrix> configure: error: cannot find GLC or FTGL >= 2.1.3 (text renderer) ---- what i should install to fix that?
[13:00] <Urchlay> the women in porn have been "improved" surgically... fake boobs are a turnoff for me
[13:01] <nix_chix0r> www.pornhub.com
[13:01] <slackytude> y0 slackerz. hows it hanging
[13:01] <nix_chix0r> if i had unlimited bandwidth i'd go there
[13:01] <quasar> the internet is for porn.
[13:01] <nix_chix0r> indeed
[13:01] <TwinReverb> quasar, uh, no
[13:01] <giant81_> THE INTERNET IS FOR PON...lol I loev that song
[13:01] <TwinReverb> although the song is funny
[13:01] <Zordrak> powtrix: http://lmgtfy.com/?=glc+ftgl
[13:01] <nix_chix0r> lots of inteesting stuff on that website
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[13:01] <eviljames> Urchlay: Agreed.  They're horrible.
[13:01] <nix_chix0r> every one of you are bookmarking it right now;)
[13:01] <TwinReverb> except me
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[13:02] <nix_chix0r> aww
[13:02] <TwinReverb> porn is t3h evil!
[13:02] <nix_chix0r> TwinReverb, no deer babies are
[13:02] <powtrix> ftgl.. ok ty
[13:02] <Necos> lol nix_chix0r
[13:02] <Urchlay> TwinReverb's not bookmarking it because he already had it bookmarked (under "Evil stuff to stay away from")
[13:02] <slackytude> wtf? porn in #slackware? Im shocked, SHOCKED; I tell ya
[13:02] <nix_chix0r> lul
[13:03] <nix_chix0r> slackytude, you should know me by now mayne
[13:03] <TwinReverb> Urchlay, :P
[13:03] Action: slackytude nods
[13:03] Action: Necos nods to nix_chix0r 
[13:03] <slackytude> know and fear
[13:03] <nix_chix0r> should be more like me.
[13:03] <Necos> just know... no fear...
[13:03] <Urchlay> hm. Actually. How would you go about getting a job as the guy who compiles the "evil site" list for something like netnanny?
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[13:03] <eviljames> Urchlay: you'd apply online.  netnanny.com
[13:04] <TwinReverb> duh
[13:04] <fire|bird> Greetings everyone. :)
[13:04] <eviljames> Urchlay: "Bearded pervert looking to browse porn for money"
[13:04] <nix_chix0r> fire|bird, !
[13:04] <Urchlay> I mean, there's a massive list of porn sites that are blocked, that means somebody has to sit around all day and get paid to find more porn, right?
[13:04] <fire|bird> hey nix_chix0r, how are you?
[13:04] <nix_chix0r> hyper i dont know why, you?
[13:05] <fire|bird> doing great, thanks.
[13:05] <fire|bird> nix_chix0r: weather's great again today. :)
[13:05] <slackytude> y0 firebird
[13:05] <Urchlay> I suppose they farm that out to china or india though
[13:05] <nix_chix0r> Urchlay, lol my boss was searching for some clinics online to get addresses and fax numbers from that we didnt have , and she types in one that she thinks the name is and it brings her to a gay chorus website full of gay men singing naked or some shit
[13:05] <nix_chix0r> how come that isn't blocked and facebook is
[13:05] <giant81_> I like that idea... get paid to find porn
[13:05] <fire|bird> y0 slackytude, how's it going?
[13:06] <slackytude> Its bad to turn a hobby into your work
[13:06] Action: Camarade_Tux hugs nix_chix0r and disappears
[13:06] <giant81_> why is porstitution illegal? if I pay a chick to come film a porn, but never put a tape in, it's the same thing
[13:06] <slackytude> fire|bird, doing fine ^-^ how about you?
[13:06] <Urchlay> nix_chix0r: heh, because facebook is wayyy more evil than any porn site could ever be :)
[13:06] <fire|bird> slackytude: doing great, thanks.
[13:06] Action: nix_chix0r squeezes Camarade_Tux 
[13:06] <fire|bird> nix_chix0r: not so hard, he's turning blue.
[13:06] <fire|bird> y0 Camarade_Tux
[13:07] <straterra> I love my user's 'secure' passwords
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[13:07] <straterra> A1zxcvbn
[13:08] <jeev> i found $400 worth of expired rebate checks in a bag i never went through
[13:08] <FED2> giant81_, short answer, religion
[13:08] <giant81_> ouch
[13:08] <nix_chix0r> Urchlay, my supervisor is a jehovas witness lmao
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[13:08] <nix_chix0r> she was truly freaking out at her desk
[13:08] <TwinReverb> FED2, short answer is actually "morality"
[13:08] <giant81_> religion can go away and I'd be very happy
[13:09] <nooblet> move to nevada
[13:09] <giant81_> the difference between pay for a hooker or paying to film a porn is your intention to show otehr people
[13:09] <giant81_> or profit from doing it
[13:09] <TwinReverb> it can't go away, people are pathetically addicted to believing in things beyond what they can see and hear
[13:09] <nooblet> maybe its cuz the rest of the states want you to get herpes if you pay women for sex
[13:09] <nix_chix0r> i have to becareful because her daughter watches my son when i'm at work, and twice a week she takes him to her damn kingdom hall and preaches about bullshit
[13:09] <giant81_> so moralitywise, I'd think the later to be worse than the former, but hey, wtf do I know
[13:09] <nix_chix0r> good thing hes only 4months
[13:10] <TwinReverb> even in Evolution, rejected by most cellular biologists, but some still cling to evolution despite the evidence in cellular biology
[13:10] <TwinReverb> they insert their God, or magic pixie dust of "billions of years"
[13:10] <nooblet> how is evolution against cellular biology?
[13:10] <FED2> I fail to see a problem with it if there is an agreement between both parts.
[13:10] <nix_chix0r> brb
[13:10] <nooblet> dude i dont believe in any victimless crimes but that doesnt mean anyone else will stand up and fight for it with me
[13:10] <TwinReverb> because cellular biologists, confronted with the insane complexity of a single cell, have said that evolution could not have possibly been the mechanism by which they came about
[13:11] <nooblet> lol have they read GEB?
[13:11] <nooblet> our mind is like one big ant hill
[13:11] <FED2> Do you realize that cells didn't appear in their present form?
[13:11] <TwinReverb> s/our/your
[13:11] <slackytude> TwinReverb, please dont
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[13:11] <TwinReverb> FED2, because you were there, billions of years ago with a microscope? 8-P
[13:12] <nooblet> isnt that where quantum physics explains the dna mutation
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[13:13] <nooblet> the whole point to any spirituality wether is cellular biology or catholism... you are accepting the princplies blindly without a way to proof the stuff smaller or bigger then the system you believe
[13:13] <eviljames> nooblet: Tell me more about GEB.
[13:13] <TwinReverb> no not blindly at all
[13:13] <nooblet> im 550 pages in and i have wanted to read the book since i was in high school
[13:13] <eviljames> nooblet: As a student of math it looks to me like a bunch of pseudoscientific hooey.
[13:14] <TwinReverb> newton believed in God but that didn't mean he sat around blindly accepting gravity and motion, he wanted to know how they worked so he devised laws of motion
[13:14] <spook> hyde:  hey look i got a B in spanish.   when did i start taking spanish?\
[13:14] <nooblet> exactly
[13:14] <TwinReverb> gallileo was catholic but wanted to view God's creation, the heavens, with a telescope
[13:14] <eviljames> TwinReverb: wtf?  Are you saying that cellular biologists reject evolution?
[13:14] <TwinReverb> ironically he was excommunicated by the catholic church
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[13:14] <spook> oh god.
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[13:14] <TwinReverb> eviljames, there are several very prominent ones who have, yes
[13:14] <spook> cut this shit out.
[13:15] <eviljames> TwinReverb: hahahah troll.
[13:15] <TwinReverb> i can get their names for you if you want
[13:15] <nooblet> spook: so i shouldnt have egged them on?
[13:15] <Necos> weee
[13:15] <TwinReverb> so others talking about porn in channel is ok, but i can't talk about cellular biology and research into the origins of the cell?
[13:15] <slackytude> TwinReverb, they retracted that sometime ago
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[13:15] <TwinReverb> hypocrisy
[13:16] <nooblet> TwinReverb: exactly
[13:16] <jeev> TwinReverb, aren't you a wacko christian
[13:16] <jeev> ?
[13:16] <zaltekk> i finally figured out how to get screen to create a login shell since the option to create a login shell is broken:  add "shell -bash" to your .screenrc
[13:16] <eviljames> TwinReverb: No, it's trolling that isn't permitted.
[13:16] <eviljames> at least, it's only marginally tolerated.
[13:16] <Necos> TwinReverb: i kinda missed what you were saying >.>
[13:16] <Urchlay> nix_chix0r: I would fire that babysitter
[13:16] <eviljames> porn is encouraged at all times.
[13:16] <TwinReverb> eviljames, how is that trolling?
[13:16] <nooblet> jeev: wacko christian thats like the mayor of phoenix right? church goer everyday but still caught having sex with a young guy in a porno shop... he had a wife and kids
[13:16] <jeev> lolol
[13:17] <jeev> nooblet, i dont consider american christian's christians.
[13:17] <eviljames> nooblet: Those aren't wackos - they're model christians.  they model themselves after the priesthood, except with adults instead of little boys.
[13:17] Action: eviljames trolls.
[13:17] <jeev> they're wannabe's
[13:17] <straterra> nooblet: Err..christians aren't perfect..
[13:17] <nooblet> it was only a joke dont take to much offense to it
[13:17] <straterra> I'm not taking any offense
[13:17] <nooblet> im just covering my ass
[13:17] <TwinReverb> no one is perfect
[13:18] <init[1]|znc> o_O
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[13:18] <TwinReverb> but that don't mean (for instance) we do away with laws against incest and/or murder
[13:18] <Urchlay> nooblet: OTOH. Why should everyone get so offended by who people have sex with? (unless it's little kids, that's evil, but what's between 2 consenting adults is OK with me)
[13:18] <eviljames> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility
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[13:18] <nooblet> Urchlay: the young guy was over 20 thats all they said in the papers
[13:18] <TwinReverb> eviljames, i'm not catholic, and i've argued against that stupid concept several times with catholics.  i usually end up making them angry.
[13:19] <powtrix> erm game resized my window, what the command to list current res?
[13:19] <TwinReverb> if their own Bible says "everyone is a sinner" how can some dude in a robe with a crown suddenly be incapable of sin?
[13:19] <eviljames> powtrix: xrandr
[13:19] <Necos> lol
[13:19] <powtrix> yes thanks
[13:19] <FED2> incest, this reminds me of Adam and Eve
[13:19] <Urchlay> nooblet: in that case, no harm done... but I bet he gets impeached, or at least not re-elected, because of that
[13:19] <nooblet> because he doesnt go outside and the dont record what he does inside
[13:19] <Necos> TwinReverb: you should listen to the interview with Michio Kaku
[13:20] <eviljames> TwinReverb: The bible is a ridiculous book of stories that began with a tribe of illiterate sheep herders passed down through a millenial game of telephone.  I wouldn't take any of it as 'gospel' per se.
[13:20] <nooblet> Urchlay: i was just trying to define the "wacko"
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[13:21] <TwinReverb> eviljames, you must not know it well at all.  even as only a work of literature, it has many more copies that are in a much higher state of accuracy among themselves.  it is more reliable than Homer's Iliad
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[13:21] <Urchlay> Homer didn't claim to be writing The Gospel Truth either
[13:21] <nooblet> nooblet: have you seen zeitgeistmovie.com?
[13:21] <Urchlay> nooblet: talking to yourself? :)
[13:21] <TwinReverb> granted, this is ##slackware not ##religion so we should probably stop soon (this includes me)
[13:21] <nooblet> nooblet: dude i think they heard you
[13:21] <quasar> giant81_: to answer your question, the act of filming/distributing sexual acts is considered protected under speech.. beyond that (ie: using the footage as evidence of a crime), the states make the laws (sorry for the delay, was afk)
[13:22] <TwinReverb> quasar, considered != is
[13:22] <Necos> lol
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[13:22] <nooblet> lets all join ##religousn
[13:22] <nooblet> however its spelled
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[13:23] <nooblet> lol its banned from being a channel
[13:23] <nooblet> hahhahahaha
[13:23] <eviljames> TwinReverb: More reliable than a piece of fiction?  That's not really a test of its .. well, anything.
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[13:23] <TwinReverb> to an extent, laws help reign in a society.  without laws on decency, i doubt there would be any.  in fact i know several people who already act like there are no decency laws
[13:24] <Urchlay> "decency" can't really be defined that well though
[13:24] <giant81_> quasar, not a problem, I'm just curious then how prostitution becomes illegal, it's like saying I can write a book to publish, but if I write one with no intention of publisihing, it's illegal
[13:24] <eviljames> "decency laws" is laughable.
[13:24] <giant81_> I'd never pay for it, but that doesn't mean I think it should be illegal to pay for it
[13:24] <TwinReverb> eviljames, much less all the nations listed in it have been so far verified by archeology
[13:24] <nooblet> go somewhere its legal man... you alot less likely to get stds
[13:25] <TwinReverb> Urchlay, true, mainly because people want to change the laws to match what they want in life
[13:25] <Urchlay> I mean, 100 years ago, "decency" to a certain group of people meant dressing up in white sheets and burning crosses on their lawns... actually, strike the "100 years ago", that insanity still happens today
[13:25] <TwinReverb> nooblet, do you have facts to present or are you just saying that? 8-)
[13:25] <nooblet> imma go before i dig myself a hole
[13:25] <eviljames> TwinReverb: The bible is one of the more manipulated books, historically.  It has been repeatedly edited to enslave entire populations - to suit the rulers of the day.  You want to base your morality on that, go ahead.
[13:25] <Urchlay> trying to force everyone to obey the laws of a religion they don't believe in, is also called "decency"
[13:25] <nooblet> TwinReverb: any well run business wants to keep there clientel
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[13:25] <TwinReverb> Urchlay, those people (KKK) should've been ruled criminals long ago
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[13:26] <Necos> lol
[13:26] <Necos> foo-wee!
[13:26] <nooblet> TwinReverb: if there its illegal... then there is no safety net to run things properly
[13:26] <eviljames> TwinReverb: they're just good, god-fearing christians.. that's all.
[13:26] <TwinReverb> eviljames, how is it manipulated when all copies agree 99.99999999% with each other?
[13:26] <TwinReverb> and no, KKK are not Christians in truth.  they violate the own Bible they claim to use.
[13:26] <Urchlay> TwinReverb: well yes. But most of them really, honestly, devoutly believed in what they were doing. Which is one reason why I take all religious dogma with a huge grain of salt.
[13:26] <Hakudoshi> The bible is fact!
[13:27] <eviljames> TwinReverb: There are copies of the new testament that don't even mention rising from the dead - OLD copies.
[13:27] <Hakudoshi> anyways no religion talk yo
[13:27] <eviljames> TwinReverb: But I've had enough cognitive dissonance for one day.  I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this.
[13:27] <Hakudoshi> KKK is good people?
[13:28] <TwinReverb> for any organization to use a book that makes no racist remarks as the basis for their racist organization makes no sense to me
[13:28] Action: eviljames goes for the Godwin...
[13:28] <nooblet> lol have you seen harold and kumar escape from guatnomo bay
[13:28] <Hakudoshi> Or is eviljames on crack or a racist nut job as well ?
[13:28] <TwinReverb> anyone who is even a member of the KKK is automatically evil by conscious association
[13:28] <eviljames> Hakudoshi: I didn't say good people - I said good christians.  Just doing the work of their god.
[13:28] <nooblet> i rubbed a koreans toothbrush all over my balls
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[13:28] <eviljames> hahahahahahahahaha
[13:28] <eviljames> aww, I wish nooblet had stayed - that was the best comment of the morning.
[13:29] <Urchlay> TwinReverb: well, some of them claimed the "mark of Cain" was dark skin, or the one son of Moses who was condemned to be a "hewer of wood and drawer of water" meant whichever race they didn't like.
[13:29] <TwinReverb> Urchlay, the mark of cain is not listed
[13:30] <Urchlay> TwinReverb: the bible is complex enough and ambiguous enough that you can find justification for damn near anything in there if you look hard enough and interpret creatively (christians know this too, hence "The devil can also quote scripture" saying)
[13:30] <TwinReverb> and someone had to cut wood and draw water
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[13:30] <TwinReverb> Urchlay, nope
[13:30] <Urchlay> TwinReverb: sure, but to be condemned to menial labor, and to have all your descendants also condemned? They couldn't just all take turns hewing wood and drawing water?
[13:31] <TwinReverb> the Israelites themselves were enslaved in Egypt, that didn't mean they all turned into africans
[13:31] <eviljames> Did you know Jesus was a Jew?!
[13:31] <TwinReverb> their logic is horribly messed up
[13:31] <TwinReverb> yes, Jesus was a jew
[13:31] <eviljames> :P
[13:31] <Hakudoshi> Jews killed a jew :/
[13:32] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired.
[13:32] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com
[13:32] <TwinReverb> the moral of the Jesus story isn't that the Jews killed Jesus, but that really we all killed Jesus because He died for our sins
[13:32] <Urchlay> eh, oh, you're refuting the KKK claims? you don't have to prove to me that the KKK are a bunch of insane and stupid people, I already know that
[13:32] <TwinReverb> just making sure
[13:32] <Urchlay> I killed nobody
[13:32] <TwinReverb> i can't stand KKK at all
[13:32] <Urchlay> me either
[13:32] <slackytude> neither did I
[13:32] <Hakudoshi> I'm not Jewish so i didn't kill Jesus
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[13:33] <TwinReverb> i don't understand how people in politics want to rule the Bible as hate literature because it calls gays sinners but they stand by and allow the KKK to exist
[13:33] <Hakudoshi> eviljames killed Jesus!
[13:33] <mirash> can i change background colour of my shell in fluxbox?
[13:33] <TwinReverb> the Bible calls everyone sinners, that was the point
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[13:33] <spook> can you guys seriously not do this
[13:33] <thrice`> +1
[13:33] <jeev> -2
[13:33] <spook> i'm looking at you TwinReverb. always starting things like this
[13:33] <thrice`> stfu jeev
[13:33] <mirash> or make it transperent?
[13:33] Action: Hakudoshi goes away
[13:33] <jeev> ahh, lilo stuck at LIL on this system lol
[13:33] <spook> just go to ##slackware-religion
[13:33] <slackytude> I like the way tho old testament god is all flames and burning cities and new testament its all about love and forgiveness. and what happened in between? he got laid
[13:33] <jeev> ahh ok it's unstuck
[13:34] <eviljames> Hakudoshi is Jesus!
[13:34] <TwinReverb> spook, what?  did i complain when it was ##slackware-porn ?
[13:34] Action: jeev kicks thrice`'s face in
[13:34] <Urchlay> I thought ##slackware-religion was for subgenius discussion?
[13:34] <Hakudoshi> eviljames killed me :(
[13:34] Action: eviljames bites his tongue for spook's sake.
[13:34] <thrice`> mirash: you can, but it's not a fluxbox thing, but a specific terminal option
[13:34] <TwinReverb> and you'll probably find some subgeniuses there 8-)
[13:34] <spook> TwinReverb: you certainly have the right to complain.
[13:34] <TwinReverb> as i said before, hypocrisy
[13:35] <mirash> thrice`, how can i
[13:35] <Hakudoshi> there should be a slackware-offtopic but nobody would join so n/m
[13:35] <TwinReverb> granted, i get your point
[13:35] <Urchlay> be careful who you point the hypocrite-finger at...
[13:35] <eviljames> Hakudoshi: we used to have a slackware-social
[13:35] <eviljames> but everybody left.
[13:35] <TwinReverb> (we're all hypocrites, get over it 8-)
[13:35] <spook> at least its porn, which everyone can agree to.  religion/politics just turns into a big argument
[13:35] Action: alienBOB watches everybody
[13:35] Action: jeev runs away
[13:35] Action: thumbs hides
[13:35] <TwinReverb> spook, um, s/everyone/everyone but you
[13:35] Action: Hakudoshi runs away
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[13:36] Action: jeev came back.. i forgot something
[13:36] Action: jeev runs off away
[13:36] <alienBOB> The "potential ban" list grows and grows ;-)
[13:36] <TwinReverb> do we really have a social channel?
[13:36] Action: eviljames thanks alienBOB for digiKam 0.10 packages
[13:36] Action: Hakudoshi points the finger at TwinReverb and puts all the blame on him
[13:36] <eviljames> TwinReverb: There used to be, and I'll join and discuss stuff with you - provided that we both maintain certain levels of civility (I'll do my best I promise)
[13:36] <TwinReverb> alienBOB, do we have a social channel?
[13:36] <Hakudoshi> use to
[13:36] <Urchlay> the trouble is, the forbidden topics are also interesting ones...
[13:37] <thrice`> nah, religion gets stale pretty quickly
[13:37] <Hakudoshi> Religion nobody wins
[13:37] <jeev> oh crap slack locked up on this crappy vaio desktop
[13:37] <spook> not forbidden, just stuff that turns into arguments which turns into name calling
[13:37] <jeev> windows locks up too anyway
[13:37] <spook> followed closely by bans
[13:37] <Hakudoshi> cause it isn't fact based and everybody thinks they are right
[13:38] <jeev> ah i can ssh in though
[13:38] <Urchlay> religion discussion between mature adults doesn't have to degenerate into name-calling... eh, but between members of this channel I guess it does have to :(
[13:38] <Hakudoshi> Urchlay, i resent that
[13:38] <spook> Urchlay: considering the social skills of most people in this channel, it will 10 times out of 10 turn into name calling
[13:38] <slackytude> nah, mature adults kill each other for religion
[13:38] <spook> only takes one.
[13:38] <TwinReverb> any discussion that degenerates into name-calling is called an argument, and i don't like arguments
[13:39] <eviljames> No, an argument is a series of statements designed to reach a proposition
[13:39] <spook> TwinReverb: seems any discussion you participate in ends that way :P
[13:39] <slackytude> eviljames, Its not!
[13:39] <eviljames> slackytude: It can be!
[13:39] <hitest> ha
[13:39] <Necos> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090723/ap_on_re_us/us_nj_corruption_arrests
[13:39] <Hakudoshi> yeah i never heard of kids killing in the name of his/her god
[13:39] <slackytude> eviljames, never!
[13:39] <TwinReverb> spook, well you can be sure i didn't start the name calling
[13:39] <Urchlay> Hakudoshi: I resemble that
[13:39] <Necos> lol
[13:39] <eviljames> slackytude: I'm sorry, I can't argue unless you've paid.
[13:39] Action: slackytude forgot the text
[13:40] <slackytude> eviljames, but we didnt argue the full time!
[13:40] <Urchlay> I'm sorry, this is Abuse. You want room 12A, next door.
[13:40] <TwinReverb> ##slackofftopic
[13:40] <slackytude> eviljames, there is still some time left
[13:40] Action: slackytude needs to watch more Monty Python
[13:41] <jeev> hahahah rabbi's arrested
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[13:41] <TwinReverb> alienBOB, problem solved, ##slackofftopic, please list in channel (if you don't mind)
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[13:42] <slackytude> nix_chix0r, you there?
[13:42] <slackytude> Scientists from the University of East Anglia are studying the potential health benefits of dark chocolate, and need 40 female volunteers who would like to eat chocolate every day for a year.
[13:43] <straterra> I don't think an offtopic chan is needed o.O
[13:43] <fredoslack> hello
[13:43] <slackytude> y0 fredoslack
[13:43] <fredoslack> Hello slackboy ; I just test Elive
[13:43] <fredoslack> Very beautiful :}
[13:43] <slackytude> tab fail
[13:43] <slackytude> elive?
[13:44] <thrice`> so, install e17 on your slack box ;)
[13:44] <fredoslack> yes
[13:44] <fredoslack> thrice`,  yes this is what I will do :)
[13:44] <slackytude> well, Im just testing Hannah Montana Linux
[13:44] <slackytude> and it rockz!
[13:44] <Hakudoshi> ....
[13:44] <chopp> I'm having problems adding a third drive to my system. On boot, udev is mixing up the drive orders. Is there an easy way to do this besides addappend="root=/dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxx" in lilo, which is also failing for me?
[13:45] <Hakudoshi> slackytude, um.... are you like um... gay?
[13:45] <slackytude> chopp, udev rule
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[13:45] <Hakudoshi> j/k
[13:45] <slackytude> just trying to top the elive thingy
[13:45] <jeev> ok guys
[13:45] <jeev> i ran terminal emulator again in kde and it locked up again
[13:45] <jeev> 12.2
[13:46] <spook> konsole?
[13:46] <chopp> slackytude: alright, let me look over the existing rules.
[13:46] <spook> xterm?
[13:46] <thrice`> what locked up, all of x.org?
[13:46] <spook> rxvt?
[13:46] <jeev> yea
[13:46] <jeev> Fatal server error:
[13:46] <jeev> Caught signal 11. Server aborting
[13:46] <jeev> gave me a backtrace
[13:46] <thrice`> check if /var/log/Xorg.0.log  has anything useful
[13:46] <jeev> i had to reboot from ssh
[13:46] <spook> /var/log/Xorg.log
[13:46] <jeev> pastebin, sec
[13:47] <jeev> www.pastebin.ca
[13:47] <thrice`> or, if you restart it, maybe Xorg.0.log.old  or somethign
[13:47] <jeev> http://www.pastebin.ca/1504571
[13:47] <BP{k}> terminal emulator == XFCE Terminal or KDE's konsole?
[13:48] <jeev> i dont recall, the one in kde
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[13:48] <slackytude> signal 11 is segmentation fault
[13:48] <eviljames> BP{k}: Depends if you run Terminal or konsole
[13:48] <eviljames> :P
[13:48] <thrice`> probably konsole
[13:48] <thrice`> well, any reason you are using the vesa driver jeev ?
[13:48] <jeev> yea, pretty default
[13:48] <jeev> installed to try xen
[13:48] <BP{k}> in kde 3.5.10 "Terminal Emulator" = Terminal .. "Terminal program" = "konsole"
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[13:49] <jeev> emulator, i'll do it again
[13:49] <jeev> kde button > system > terminal emulator
[13:49] <jeev> Konsole works
[13:50] <jeev> slackpkg
[13:50] <jeev> woops
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[13:57] <eviljames> hey jeev I was talkin to you!
[13:57] <jeev> oh
[13:59] <spook> damnit i'm out of black spraypaint
[13:59] <eviljames> spook: You should've used the delete key instead.
[13:59] <spook> lol.
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[14:01] <macavity> thrice`: i cant get a workable solution on xorg-server-1.6.2 without a kernel upgrade :-/
[14:02] <slackytude> y0 macavity
[14:02] <thrice`> I'm wondering if that is why Pat hasn't pushed the go button yet :\
[14:02] <macavity> thrice`: btw, if you compile drm, i915 and intelfb into the kernel, and remove VESA VGA text console, and enable KMS as default, the system boots directly into 1280x800x32bpp on my box :P
[14:02] <macavity> that is SCHWEEET! :P
[14:03] <eviljames> \o/ macavity !
[14:03] <Hakudoshi> jeev wasn't very popular, getting kicked 16 times!
[14:03] <thrice`> macavity: yeah, I was trying to get that through an /etc/modprobe.d/i915.conf, but it only switches the res. after I load X
[14:03] <macavity> yup
[14:03] <Hakudoshi> macavity talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 104 times
[14:03] <thrice`> i guess the only other way to do it is to load an initrd.gz with the module in there
[14:04] <thrice`> well, intel_agp and i915 at least
[14:04] <macavity> i doubt that doint it via initrd will do a whole heck of a lot
[14:04] <thrice`> it should at least load it earlier
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[14:05] <macavity> it must be loaded before any output to the screen is attemted
[14:05] <thrice`> that's the best way, indeed
[14:05] <eviljames> macavity: Is that with 2.6.30.1 or .31?
[14:05] <macavity> so you should shut up anything that echos in the initrd.. or so i belive
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[14:06] <macavity> eviljames: .30.1 + http://intellinuxgraphics.org/download/2009Q2/kernel-intel-2009q2-against-2.6.30.1.patch
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[14:06] <thrice`> macavity: did you try with just .30 ?
[14:06] <eviljames> macavity: k, good to know.
[14:06] <macavity> thrice`: nope
[14:06] <spook> ooooowwwwww
[14:06] <spook> why is there a nerve on the elbow
[14:07] <macavity> eviljames: i am also running libdrm-2.4.12 build with patricks SlackBuild, Mesa-7.5 by thrice`s recipie, and recompiled xorg-server-1.6.2 against that (only edited the mesa version in Patrick's build, everything else is the same)
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[14:08] <jeev> what' scrollkeeper?
[14:08] <eviljames> macavity: I'll be following those steps today, performance on my 865 is quite poor with stock 13rc1 install.
[14:08] <macavity> eviljames: i get ~630fps in glxgears when not running composite, and 500fps when so
[14:09] <eviljames> macavity: I used the kde4 fps monitor, 100fps when doing nothing, moving windows drops to 16-19fps or so, navigating the web drops to 0 while firefox renders.
[14:09] <eviljames> Under compositing on stock.
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[14:10] <budo> none of the movie players will play quicktime for some reason...and the window locks up refusing to close
[14:10] <thrice`> mplayer should
[14:10] <slackytude> mplayer
[14:10] <Hakudoshi> vlc
[14:10] <Hakudoshi> quicktime!
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[14:11] <spook> i just drank about half a litre of milk
[14:11] <jeev> that's not my name, that's not my name
[14:11] <antiwire> do you have libquicktime installed?
[14:11] <budo> yeah i wanted to try mplayer and vlc but none of the instructions are clear.......and there is a million codecs that arent bundled with it
[14:11] <budo> by default
[14:12] <jeev> antiwire, did you do my stuff
[14:12] <macavity> xine with SBo ffmpeg plays Real Media just fine here
[14:12] <caio> account off skype
[14:12] <TwinReverb> caio, ?
[14:12] <antiwire> jeev: did you mail me 50 bucks and send beer and strippers ?
[14:12] <budo> could it be my dvd player?
[14:12] <caio> wrong window
[14:13] <budo> some movies play on the dvd and some dont
[14:13] <budo> but there the same type of files
[14:13] <antiwire> jeev: I did, however, create a slackbuild package for dhcpdump
[14:13] <jeev> grrr
[14:15] <jeev> DO IT
[14:15] Action: jeev is building xen again
[14:16] <slackytude> uh, mplayer pretty much has every codec
[14:16] <slackytude> never encounter one mplayer didnt know
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[14:17] <slackytude> and whats unclear about mplayer instructions?
[14:17] <slackytude> its on sbo
[14:17] <budo> i did a search slackpkg search mplayer and it didnt come up
[14:17] <slackytude> sbo = slackbuilds.org
[14:17] <slackytude> you would use sbopkg
[14:18] <slackytude> not slackpkg
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[14:18] <budo> i think its the dvd because xine plays some clips and not others
[14:19] <budo> and the clips are the same type of files
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[14:20] <macavity> ok, this is strange.. my konqueror seems to not like my changes
[14:20] <macavity> as soon as i use it as a webbrowser, it hangs when i click close
[14:20] <macavity> kwin then comes asking if i want to terminate it
[14:20] Action: macavity wonders if KDE/Qt is mesa aware these days...
[14:21] <jeev> ok my server is up at the datacenter
[14:21] <jeev> the one that isn't being used
[14:21] <jeev> slack/xen baby!
[14:21] <slackytude> gratz
[14:21] <slackytude> how is it?
[14:21] <jeev> thanks, it needed a new controller
[14:21] <jeev> i dunno, i haven't find my kvm login details
[14:21] <jeev> it's the one i wanted to put slack on, everything else i have except for the file server is freebsd
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[14:22] Action: fredoslack hopes that with KDE 4.3 so slack 13
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[14:23] <fredoslack> sorry for the formulation
[14:23] <thumbs> sorry for the what?
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[14:23] <fire|bird> hey thumbs
[14:24] <jeev> heh the taco bell dog died
[14:24] <fredoslack> I use an online translator, thumbs  :p
[14:24] <thumbs> hi coldfeathers
[14:24] <fredoslack> Hi fire|bird  :)
[14:24] <fire|bird> jeev: yup, he was 15. Must have been all those tacos. :P
[14:24] <fire|bird> hello fredoslack
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[14:24] <thumbs> fredoslack: ah, that makes sense.
[14:25] <macavity> fredoslack: i dont.. i would rather wait untill a x.x.3 or x.x.4 release... i have been running KDE since 1.1.2, so i belive i know what i am talking about :P'
[14:25] <fire|bird> thumbs: how's it going?
[14:25] <fire|bird> hey macavity
[14:25] <fredoslack> sometimes I doubt the effectiveness  :(
[14:25] <fredoslack> macavity,  4.3.3 for exemple ?
[14:26] <macavity> fredoslack: yup
[14:26] <fredoslack> ok
[14:26] <fredoslack> :(
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[14:26] <budo> it cant be my dvd if windows plays it well
[14:27] <zaltekk> budo: what is wrong?  dvd playback?
[14:27] <Camarade_Tux>  :)
[14:27] <Camarade_Tux> nix_chix0r: why squeeze me? ='(
[14:27] <macavity> fredoslack: rather stable than bleeding edge
[14:27] <Camarade_Tux> yoyo fire|bird :)
[14:28] <fire|bird> y0 Camarade_Tux, how's it going?
[14:28] <fredoslack> ok
[14:28] <macavity> fredoslack: if you want bleeding edge you run -current :P
[14:28] <macavity> (or Arch Linux)
[14:28] <slackytude> fedora
[14:28] <fredoslack> macavity,  current have KDE 4.2.4 ?
[14:28] <macavity> RawHide :P
[14:28] <slackytude> arch is bleeding?
[14:28] <zaltekk> fedora is good if you want broken-edge.
[14:28] <macavity> fredoslack: yes
[14:29] <macavity> fredoslack: and it is very good imho
[14:29] <fire|bird> fredoslack: yes, it does. I'm using it right now. :)
[14:29] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: fine, thanks, and you?
[14:29] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: doing great, thank you.
[14:29] <budo> yes. quicktime movies on a dvd im trying to playback and watch
[14:30] <fredoslack> Hello Camarade_Tux  :)
[14:30] <budo> its ok though im moving on to learning scripts
[14:30] <budo> dont have time to troubleshoot all day right now
[14:30] <Camarade_Tux> fredoslaaaaaaaaaaaack! :)
[14:30] <macavity> Camarade_Tux: what? you two have warm showers together? :P
[14:30] <fire|bird> lol
[14:30] <Camarade_Tux> I just had my best power bill today :)
[14:30] Action: macavity hides behind the sofa
[14:30] <fredoslack> Camarade_Tux,  I made a mistake
[14:30] <fredoslack> lool
[14:30] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: not only war showers ;)
[14:31] <fire|bird> macavity: s/sofa/brick wall/ :P
[14:31] Action: Camarade_Tux goes behind the sofa too
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[14:31] <Camarade_Tux> hellooo macavity :)
[14:31] <macavity> stay AWAY from my backside :P
[14:31] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: oh yeah, wave it harder :)
[14:31] <macavity> O_O
[14:31] <Camarade_Tux>  :D
[14:31] <macavity> ok, i have a windows XP machine to fix...
[14:31] <fire|bird> haha
[14:31] <fredoslack> I installed Elive :p
[14:31] <eviljames> macavity: you poor bastard
[14:32] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: wanna fix my plumbing instead? :)
[14:32] <eviljames> macavity: good luck with that, "fix" usually means "format/reinstall" :P
[14:32] <macavity> eviljames: it could be worse... like Vista :P
[14:32] <slackytude> macavity, condoleces
[14:32] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, so today's electricity bill : minus 60 euros :)
[14:32] <macavity> Camarade_Tux: i will give your "plumbing" a reprogramming that it will never forget... with a very large and very blunt fire axe :P
[14:32] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, nice
[14:33] <Camarade_Tux> macavity: hmmmmm, can't you just whip me instead? :o
[14:33] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: but that's because they took far too much last time
[14:33] <JsonicG> eviljames, not always... It is possible to fix most of the problems without formating, it is just hard to find someone understand the OS really well
[14:33] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, yeah
[14:34] <eviljames> JsonicG: Sorry, I meant "Format and install Linux"
[14:34] <JsonicG> lol
[14:34] <JsonicG> That's true ;)
[14:34] <Camarade_Tux> windows isn't the worst beast I've seen, as long as it's only windows, it's ok
[14:35] <Camarade_Tux> it's like dell's ubuntu, that was *crappy*, they had added toolbars to firefox and there was a big toolbar with four icons in the middle of the desktop, and that was an actual window so it wasn't very practical
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[14:35] <Camarade_Tux> guess they couldn't just add shortcut icons to the desktop, too easy probably...
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[14:36] <zaltekk> Camarade_Tux: vendors always destroy systems....no matter when OS is on it
[14:36] <slackytude> true
[14:36] <zaltekk> the first thing i did when i got my laptop was reinstall windows and then add slackware to the second half of the disk
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[14:45] <zaltekk> is make oldconfig only for using a config with a newer version of the kernel?  or should i use it to use a previous config for hte same version of the kernel?
[14:46] <zaltekk> And if the former is correct and the latter is wrong, do i only need to copy the config file into the directory linked to /usr/src/linux?
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[14:47] <slackytude> latter is wrong, its for upgrading kernel
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[14:47] <slackytude> yes
[14:47] <slackytude> just copy
[14:47] <njathan> anyone here used 'cmus' ?
[14:47] <zaltekk> slackytude: so i can copy a config from /boot to /usr/src/linux/.config, change a few options, and then compile?
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[14:48] <slackytude> zaltekk, aye. or use /proc/config.gz
[14:48] <zaltekk> slackytude: okay, one more question.  if i run make menuconfig after copying in the new .config, will it read the old .config or create a new one?
[14:48] <slackytude> wich is the config of your running kernel, nicely serverd via the trusty proc
[14:48] <slackytude> zaltekk, it will read the config
[14:48] <njathan> is there a way to see file info (say id3 tags for mp3 files) in cmus?
[14:49] <zaltekk> awesome.  thanks, slackytude
[14:49] <slackytude> no sweat
[14:49] <Hakudoshi> http://cmus.sourceforge.net/
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[14:51] <njathan> thats right Hakudoshi... i am enjoying using it... but cant seem to figure out a way to view the file information like id3 tags etc
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[14:58] <macavity> maple for KDE is kinda cool :-)
[14:59] <fire|bird> maple?
[14:59] <macavity> *marble
[14:59] <fire|bird> haha
[14:59] <slackytude> :P
[14:59] <fire|bird> macavity: yeah, that is quite nice. In 4.3, they'll have it to use as a wallpaper.
[14:59] <slackytude> I spent the day at work writing a python script
[14:59] <slackytude> good times
[15:00] <fire|bird> did it work after you finished it?
[15:00] <slackytude> yeah ^-^
[15:00] <fire|bird> \o/
[15:00] <slackytude> if you click on an .iso image and do "remote mount" it will tell the slack box to mount it and share it as a smb share
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[15:00] <slackytude> for virtual machines without cdrom
[15:00] <fire|bird> cool
[15:01] <slackytude> for .iso on the network where the slack machine can get it
[15:01] <slackytude> coz our win admin didnt/doesnt want to put the iso in the esx data store thingy
[15:01] <macavity> fire|bird: i often walk about the city, so when i get a phone with GPS i will help the project with street data :P
[15:02] <fire|bird> nice. :)
[15:02] <slackytude> macavity, thats the new term for being a voyeur?
[15:02] <macavity> lol
[15:03] <slackytude> no officer, Im just providin street data
[15:03] <fire|bird> I swear occipher, I'z not drunkz, I'z just providin street data.
[15:03] <macavity> i think it would be so damn awesome if we could prove to the world that we can map "the known world" by user contribution alone
[15:03] <slackytude> hehe
[15:03] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: lol @ sinfest ;)
[15:03] <macavity> actually, that would be an amzing feat :P
[15:04] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, yeah, I was just think, I gotta tell Camarade_Tux. nice one today
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[15:04] <slackytude> s/think/thinking
[15:04] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, Im pondering on odering the book
[15:05] <zaltekk> slackytude: what book?.
[15:05] <Camarade_Tux> zaltekk: sinfest.net
[15:05] <slackytude> ^^^
[15:05] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: right, should be nice :)
[15:05] <slackytude> aye
[15:05] <slackytude> next month when I got the moniez
[15:06] <jeev> jesus
[15:06] <jeev> xen is still building
[15:06] <jeev> on this old vaio
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[15:13] <fire|bird> jeev: when did you start that build?
[15:14] <Hakudoshi> last week
[15:14] <jeev> 11:1 a,
[15:14] <jeev> 11:10 am
[15:14] <jeev> it finished about 8 minutes ago
[15:14] <jeev> so it took almost an hour.. now i'm doing make install and it's building more crap
[15:14] <fire|bird> heh, that sure took long enough
[15:15] <jeev> its a crappy vaio, i think p4 3.2ghz
[15:15] <fire|bird> heh, my desktop's a p4 3.2 :P
[15:15] <Hakudoshi> buy a new desktop fire|bird
[15:15] <Hakudoshi> get the i9 when it comes out
[15:16] <Hakudoshi> u got the cash
[15:16] <fire|bird> Hakudoshi: If I had the cash, I would for sure have a new desktop, but I don't, so I work with what I have. :)
[15:17] <jeev> i got a core i7
[15:17] <jeev> i'm on it now
[15:17] Action: slackytude has a t42 thinkpad -_-
[15:17] <jeev> i have 4 thinkpads
[15:17] <antiwire> why aren't you using that think to test Xen or KVM?
[15:17] <antiwire> wtf is wrong with you?
[15:18] <antiwire> think/thing
[15:18] <jeev> all but 1, the 12.1 inch one is messed up
[15:18] <jeev> one sleeps and never wakes up wifi, the other's speakers dont work
[15:18] <jeev> and the other one locks up (ssd)
[15:18] <jeev> antiwire, cause the server that i'm going to use doesn't have vmx
[15:18] <jeev> turd.
[15:18] <jeev> where is my info.
[15:18] <antiwire> you're info. ha
[15:18] <thrice`> haha, jeev is a terrible admin :(
[15:18] <antiwire> your*
[15:18] <jeev> lick thy winky
[15:18] <jeev> the server is online at the datacenter
[15:19] <jeev> thrice`, i'm a better admin than you ;)
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[15:19] <jeev> you could sit there and know everything about a desktop OS
[15:19] <thrice`> nooo, my thinkpad can wake up, has a nice screen, AND doesn't lock up
[15:19] <jeev> i've run servers for 8 years and i've been hired by big ass companies as an outside worker ;)
[15:19] <antiwire> jeev just throws a bunch of shit into a pile and hopes a datacenter forms, like how galaxies form
[15:19] <jeev> windwos
[15:19] <jeev> haha antiwire, that's what i do
[15:19] <eviljames> I pile them together and hope for spontaneous emergent complex behaviour - like how life forms!
[15:20] <antiwire> lol
[15:20] <jeev> i'm really bad
[15:20] <jeev> if i find my old datacenter pictures
[15:20] <jeev> you'll shit yourself
[15:20] <macavity> ok.. bbiab
[15:20] <jeev> ok i found a picture lol hold up
[15:20] <antiwire> I want to drive down there with Necos so we can laugh at your data center
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[15:20] <antiwire> it probably looks like a quake 3 lan party
[15:21] <jeev> http://dry.elongatedturd.com/cabinet.jpg
[15:21] <jeev> that's one of mine
[15:21] <jeev> let me find the others
[15:22] <antiwire> with an actual CRT...good form
[15:22] <antiwire> So you just have a cabinet in a hosting company?
[15:22] <thrice`> ha ha
[15:23] <antiwire> I bet the hosting company hopes that other clients never see inside your cabinet
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[15:23] <jeev> yea i was just telling my friend
[15:23] <jeev> the owner would be embarassed to tour
[15:23] <jeev> that's another cabinet
[15:23] <jeev> let me find a front pic of the cabinet where the datacenter owner (my freidn) was embarassed of
[15:23] <jeev> he would always reroute visitors another way
[15:23] <jeev> so they dont see my mess
[15:24] <slackytude> jeev, remind me to never use your services
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[15:24] <jeev> ok get ready to die laughing
[15:24] <slackytude> good way to go, imho
[15:24] <jeev> i've since cleaned it up
[15:25] <jeev> http://dry.elongatedturd.com/frontofrack2.jpg
[15:25] <antiwire> captain 404
[15:25] <slackytude> 404
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[15:25] <jeev> try now
[15:25] <slackytude> nice try, master admin
[15:25] <jeev> that's a 4 year old pic
[15:25] <eviljames> Wow, you're fired.
[15:25] <jeev> now they look cleaner
[15:25] <jeev> well, not the one in the east LOL
[15:25] <pri4pus> jeev: WAW, impressive!
[15:26] <jeev> i've gotten rails for east coast
[15:26] <slackytude> Ive seen worse
[15:26] <pri4pus> Pimp my cabinet!
[15:26] <jeev> heh
[15:26] <jeev> i gotta get a pic of my new place
[15:26] <jeev> i've never been there
[15:27] <guax> if you wanna see worse i get a picture of ours
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[15:30] <Camarade_Tux> hmmmm, beer?
[15:31] <pri4pus> Yes, beer!
[15:31] Action: slackytude drinks beer
[15:31] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, you are french. shouldnt you be drinking wine?
[15:31] Action: pri4pus goes to sleep with the beer in his right hand.
[15:32] <pri4pus> slackytude: French people are humans too.
[15:32] <Hakudoshi> and eating snails
[15:32] <Hakudoshi> snails and wine
[15:32] <pri4pus> Hakudoshi: :-)
[15:32] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: only with good food which I don't currently have ='(
[15:32] <slackytude> ahh
[15:32] <Camarade_Tux> Hakudoshi: NO! you forgot frogs ;p
[15:33] <antiwire> wine gives me headaches
[15:33] <antiwire> just a single mouth full and it's game over
[15:33] <slackytude> you know last time I went on holyday I met this cool french dude and we used to drink on the evening
[15:33] <antiwire> insta-migraine
[15:33] <Hakudoshi> antiwire gives me headaches :(
[15:33] <antiwire> Hakudoshi gives me fleas
[15:33] Action: Camarade_Tux notes Hakudoshi drinks from antiwire...
[15:33] <pri4pus> Good night slackers! See you tomorrow.
[15:33] <jeev> antiwire
[15:33] <Hakudoshi> night
[15:33] <jeev> where is my stuff
[15:34] <Camarade_Tux> night pri4pus
[15:34] <slackytude> when we got real pissed on beer coz we were basically sitting in the pub all day he said to me, tonite I drink like a german
[15:34] <antiwire> your stuff I laugh at that
[15:34] <slackytude> I said, thats ok, I smoke like a french
[15:34] <antiwire> It's my stuff beavis
[15:34] <slackytude> great fun
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[15:34] <slackytude> night pragma_
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[15:34] <slackytude> damn
[15:34] <fire|bird> Anybody know what the firewire kernel module name is? I've tried raw1394, ieee1394, and dv1394 to no avail.
[15:34] <Hakudoshi> night pragma_
[15:34] <Camarade_Tux> double fail :)
[15:35] Action: Hakudoshi doesn't have firewire
[15:35] Action: fire|bird does, it just isn't working
[15:35] <Hakudoshi> isn't firewire about dead anyways
[15:35] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: firewire or ieee1394
[15:35] <fogus2> hello.  has anyone here used mdadm under slackware?  I am looking to make an encrypted software riad that can be expanded
[15:35] <fire|bird> Hakudoshi: possibly, but that's what my camcorder uses. :)
[15:35] <Hakudoshi> buy a mac!
[15:36] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: nope, doesn't work.
[15:36] <fire|bird> Hakudoshi: are you paying for it?
[15:36] <Hakudoshi> of course
[15:36] <Hakudoshi> not
[15:36] <fire|bird> :O
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[15:36] <fire|bird> haha
[15:37] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: I know I kept it in the kernel, but evidently I made it a module of which I don't know the name.
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[15:38] <antiwire> modprobe --list
[15:38] <antiwire> modprobe --list | less
[15:38] <antiwire> start reading
[15:38] <fire|bird> antiwire: thank you
[15:38] Nick change: Hakudoshi -> prowire
[15:39] <fire|bird> Well, that list was small, nothing related to firewire at all.
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[15:41] <Camarade_Tux> zcat /proc/config.gz |grep (FIREWIRE|1394)
[15:41] <fire|bird> no matches found
[15:41] <Camarade_Tux> did you actually install the kernel? :D
[15:42] <fire|bird> haha, yeah
[15:42] <antiwire> what does this one show? zcat /proc/config.gz | grep CONFIG_FIREWIRE
[15:42] <jeev> hmm
[15:42] <jeev> why wont grub install on slackware
[15:42] <fire|bird> kino's help says it uses either raw1394 or dv1394
[15:42] <Camarade_Tux> antiwire: won't show anything either ;)
[15:42] <Camarade_Tux> or I fscked up my grep command :)
[15:42] <fire|bird> It did too, it's not set. :(
[15:42] <antiwire> if that shows nothing you have a mess, it should at least show not set
[15:42] <spook> okay, eating 1.625 pizzas was probally not a great idea
[15:42] <antiwire> haha see
[15:43] <fire|bird> antiwire: thank you.
[15:43] <antiwire> Camarade_Tux: {}
[15:43] <fire|bird> antiwire: 1 Camarade_Tux: 0
[15:43] <antiwire> lol
[15:43] <eviljames> spook: provided that you do 1.6249999... workouts it will approach parity.
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[15:43] <fire|bird> whoops, s/0/-1/
[15:43] <Camarade_Tux> spook: mind sending me 2-1.65 pizza? ;)
[15:43] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: ='(
[15:43] <spook> eviljames: i'm thirsty, but like, drinking water makes me want to yack from over eating
[15:44] <Camarade_Tux> bah, here is the proper command: zcat /proc/config.gz |grep -E '(FIREWIRE|1394)'
[15:44] <fire|bird> I'll try one of my other kernels. thanks guys.
[15:44] <Camarade_Tux> (or -P for that matter)
[15:44] <thrice`> boo, zgrep
[15:45] <Camarade_Tux> thrice`: nice, I was wondering if grep was able to do that ;p
[15:45] <fire|bird> brb
[15:45] <spook> lol. is there any command that doesnt have a z equivilent?
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[15:45] <spook> zcat, zgrep...
[15:46] <eviljames> I always read those as a frenchman saying it.
[15:46] <eviljames> "I want to pet zee cat!"
[15:46] <jeev> is it possible to install grub onto a current installation while logged in
[15:46] <spook> zdiff, zless, zmore...
[15:46] <jeev> or do i need to go into setup and mount
[15:46] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: ... :D
[15:46] <Camarade_Tux> jeev: sure
[15:46] <jeev> i've built it but grub-install /dev/hda gives me an error
[15:46] <jeev> it tells me to run update-grub but it's nonexistant
[15:46] <antiwire> ...
[15:47] <jeev> http://www.manuelm.org/blog/?p=12
[15:47] <thrice`> jeev: "it" being some ubuntu document?
[15:47] <jeev> yea probably
[15:47] <fogus2> anyone here know how to raid together encrypted partitions?
[15:47] <spook> nooooooooooooooooooooooo
[15:47] <antiwire> why must you use grub though?
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[15:47] <jeev> stupid ubunti
[15:47] <Camarade_Tux> jeev: iirs just use 'grub'
[15:47] <spook> fogus2: 'raid together' ?
[15:47] <jeev> xen requires it i think
[15:48] <spook> yeah xen wont work easily without grub'
[15:48] <antiwire> fogus2: you use linux RAID + LVM + dm-crypt
[15:48] <fogus2> spook: make them appear as one device.
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[15:48] <antiwire> fogus2: what version of slackware are you using?
[15:48] <spook> fogus2: use lvm.
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[15:48] <fogus2> antiwire: I have not started to do this.  I tried with debian the other day
[15:49] <antiwire> So our Slackware documentation won
[15:49] <antiwire> won't even apply to you...
[15:49] <spook> fogus2: use lvm to join the partitions, then encrypt on top of that
[15:49] <fogus2> I just want to know that it is possible under some distro
[15:49] <antiwire> sure it is possible
[15:49] <fogus2> spook: well, if I encrypt ontop of lvm will I be able to add disks later?
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[15:50] <fogus2> I want to make a raid6 and then add devices to it as my raid expands
[15:50] <jeev> hmm
[15:50] <spook> yes, assuming the crypt can be grown with the filesystem
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[15:50] <spook> fogus2: oh then use mdadm instead of lvm
[15:50] <fogus2> some of my disks are in use so I cannot use them until I have moved their files to the new raid
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[15:51] <spook> fogus2: good luck doing things the hard way.
[15:51] <antiwire> read this whole document. it will help you begin to understand the process http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/README_CRYPT.TXT
[15:51] <antiwire> use it as a loose guide
[15:51] <jeev> vmknoppix was good
[15:51] <jeev> got slackware running fine with xen
[15:51] <jeev> but old
[15:51] <jeev> ;/
[15:51] <fogus2> spook: , under mdadm I can expand the raid after setting it all up?
[15:51] <fogus2> antiwire: thanks!
[15:51] <fire|bird> antiwire: ok, I'm on slack's 2.6.29.6 kernel now, so will /proc/config.gz show what's set for that now?
[15:51] <antiwire> fire|bird: it should
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[15:52] <quick> hi
[15:52] <antiwire> zcat /proc/config.gz | grep CONFIG_FIREWIRE
[15:52] <fire|bird> antiwire: ok, then I guess I'll be recompiling the kernel, it's not set in this one either.
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[15:52] <quick> my touchpad does not work properly with latest current
[15:52] <thrice`> quick: do you have any ".new" files in /etc/modprobe.d ?
[15:52] <quick> i am not sure when it stopped working because i rarely use it
[15:52] <TommySprat> Hello, i just resized my NTFS windows boot partition but now lilo isn't working properly. What do i do about that? I'm new to linux and i spent quite some time trying to install a partition editor so i can see what happened, but i can't even compile something(tried many times before, failed every time -.-). My main concern is fixing lilo though
[15:52] <antiwire> fire|bird: grep CONFIG_FIREWIRE /boot/config-huge-smp-2.6.29.6-smp
[15:52] <antiwire> # CONFIG_FIREWIRE is not set
[15:53] <Neo_The_User> is slackware like linux from scratch where you can compile everything?
[15:53] <antiwire> it is indeed not set
[15:53] <quick> i think i have replaced all of that kind of new files
[15:53] <antiwire> Neo_The_User: no
[15:53] <fogus2> spook: what do you mean "the hard way"?  what is the easy way?
[15:53] <Neo_The_User> what is slackware supposed to be?
[15:53] <fire|bird> antiwire: ok, thanks. A compiling I will go. :)
[15:53] <Neo_The_User> like a self maintained gentoo?
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[15:54] <slackytude> Neo_The_User, is supposed to be an easy and stable distro. KISS
[15:54] <slackytude> Neo_The_User, troll much?
[15:54] <Neo_The_User> keep it simple and stupid
[15:54] <Neo_The_User> gotcha
[15:54] <Neo_The_User> no i actually love KISS
[15:54] <thrice`> quick: double check :)  there was a change recently in there regarding the touch pad
[15:54] <quick> ok
[15:54] <antiwire> fire|bird: I would take a guess that the stock configs keep firewire disabled because it isn't as widely used at USB. Even though USB and firewire both have security issues, he probably disables firewire because of the fact it's not as widely used
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[15:54] <thrice`> Neo_The_User: no, it provides binary packages.
[15:55] <antiwire> that whole full system ownage via physically unsecured firewire ports was interesting
[15:55] <Neo_The_User> but only the ones on the DVD right?
[15:55] <quick> only shadow.new and passwd.new
[15:55] <Neo_The_User> or... group of CDs or whatever, yes?
[15:55] <thrice`> yep; Pat maintains a good base, and then you can install stuff on your own afterwards
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[15:55] <antiwire> Neo_The_User: keep it simple and stupid? Are you being forced to use Slackware?
[15:55] <quick> thrice`, only shadow.new and passwd.new
[15:55] <fire|bird> antiwire: yeah, I just need it because that's what my camcorder uses.
[15:56] <Neo_The_User> KISS stands for keep it simple and stupid right?
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[15:56] <slackytude> Neo_The_User, yes, for all else there is slackbuilds.org
[15:56] <thrice`> quick: ok, are you using hal for your input stuff on xorg?
[15:56] <Camarade_Tux> Neo_The_User: or Safe
[15:56] <slackytude> Necos, keep it simple,stupid
[15:56] <Neo_The_User> oh safe!
[15:56] <antiwire> Neo_The_User: ..or did you just come in here to have your questions accurately answered so you can retort by trolling?
[15:56] <thrice`> people are so touchy O.o
[15:56] <quick> well i should if it is the default behavior
[15:56] <Neo_The_User> no im debating between LFS and slack
[15:56] <thrice`> why would you want to do an lfs install?
[15:57] <slackytude> Neo_The_User, for what?
[15:57] <eviljames> Neo_The_User: Slack is as close to LFS as you can get without actually building LFS.
[15:57] Action: eviljames <- has built LFS
[15:57] <chopp> any suggestions on adding another drive to my system. I keep getting kernel panic because the drive order changes every boot. I'm tring to use /dev/disk/by-uuid/ in lilo? http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/Ypqjmi94.html
[15:57] <Neo_The_User> if all i want is the base GNU dev tools like gcc and all that already built for me and i want to build everything MYSELF from source, is slack for me?
[15:57] <Neo_The_User> *everything ELSE
[15:57] <slackytude> chopp, the udex rules thing didnt help?
[15:57] <antiwire> Neo_The_User: If you want to learn how a generic distribution is created from scratch, do the LFS. If you want a system that is already supported and has a fully ready to go base install, try Slackware.
[15:58] <quick> thrice`, i should clarify that the pad works but no scroll and no tap
[15:58] <chopp> slackytude: this happens before udev kicks in
[15:58] <thrice`> chopp: sorry, but can't you just do "root=/dev/disk/by..." ?
[15:58] <thrice`> quick: ok, that's quite a bit different ;)
[15:58] <Neo_The_User> well i dont want a fully supported system nor do i want to start entirely from scratch. I want a... crippled system to build upon
[15:58] <quick> thrice`, that is why i wrote that it does not work properly
[15:58] <thrice`> quick: you may need somethign like this (a custom hal rule): http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics#Configuration_via_HAL_policy_.28hotplugging_enabled.2C_recommended.29
[15:58] <Neo_The_User> can i do that with slack?
[15:58] <chopp> thrice`: alright, I'll give that a shot. :)
[15:59] <eviljames> Neo_The_User: Sounds to me like you want to do LFS but skip the harder parts?
[15:59] <Neo_The_User> exactly
[15:59] <slackytude> Neo_The_User, well, yeah, just dont do a full install
[15:59] <Shrp_> Neo_The_User: sure.. do a minimum install
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[15:59] <Neo_The_User> ohh sweet!
[15:59] <slackytude> I fail to see the point tho
[15:59] <antiwire> You want to skip the system bootstrapping
[15:59] <slackytude> but anyway
[15:59] <eviljames> Neo_The_User: I'll recommend against that - just do all of LFS.  Yeah it'll take a few extra hours but it'll be worth it for the amount of stuff you'll learn (especially the failures)
[16:00] <Neo_The_User> well i rather not build GCC from source. that takes hours
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[16:00] <slackytude> it sounds a bit like Neo_The_User wants to make his own distro
[16:00] <thrice`> then you don't want an LFS
[16:00] <jeev> ok grub is annoying me
[16:00] <thrice`> which is bootstrapping a toolchain
[16:00] <eviljames> Neo_The_User: So does xorg, so does qt, so does kde, so does gnome, so does ... well, everything.
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[16:01] <slackytude> firefox ^-^
[16:01] <slackytude> openoffice
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[16:01] <Neo_The_User> i've been thinking about making my own distro but i dont see the downside of doing a minimal install of slack then building
[16:01] <slackytude> yo Pig_Pen
[16:01] <antiwire> gcc build time is nothing compared the ones eviljames listed
[16:01] <Camarade_Tux> gcc doesn't take hours to build here, more like half-an-hour to an hour, and qt takes like 40 minutes iirc
[16:01] <Neo_The_User> i dont want to use gnome or kde. i use lxde. takes about an hour
[16:01] <Camarade_Tux> and my computer isn't very powerful
[16:01] <Pig_Pen> hi slackytude
[16:01] <fire|bird> greetings Pig_Pen
[16:02] <quick> thrice`, thanks i am reading it now
[16:02] <Pig_Pen> hi fire|bird
[16:02] <slackytude> Neo_The_User, there is no real downside. its just a bit pointless unless your goal is building your own system on top.
[16:02] <fire|bird> Pig_Pen: how are you?
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[16:02] <Pig_Pen> groovy :)
[16:03] <Neo_The_User> slackytude: awesome. one more question
[16:03] <slackytude> Neo_The_User, its a lot of compilng stuff. if your goal is to learn linux that can be done without wasting hours on compiling
[16:03] <Neo_The_User> no i dont want to learn anything
[16:03] <thrice`> yes, learning to copy and paste shit from the LFS manual isn't really teaching you much
[16:03] <Neo_The_User> HAHAHAA!
[16:03] <fogus2> guys, is there a readme for mdadm + raid?  I'm confused
[16:03] <thrice`> (seriously)
[16:03] <eviljames> thrice`: Reading the LFS manual is pretty good, I found.
[16:04] <Neo_The_User> is it stupid if i use the 32-bit version of slack on my 64-bit processor?
[16:04] <thrice`> sure; the gentoo handbook too
[16:04] <slackytude> eviljames, reading it, yeah, copy and pasting it, not so much
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[16:04] <thrice`> Neo_The_User: not stupid, but you'll get a little better performance out of 64-bit
[16:04] <slackytude> Neo_The_User, not really. there is a 64bit version too, tho
[16:04] <eviljames> slackytude: Indeed.  But the copy/paste bits are mostly just ./configure;make;makeinstall over &over &over &over...
[16:04] <Neo_The_User> well i only have standard DVDs
[16:04] <slackytude> heh, true
[16:04] <Neo_The_User> i dont have enough space
[16:04] <Neo_The_User> i need a blu ray disc to make the slack64 thing
[16:04] <MS3FGX> Wha?
[16:04] <slackytude> O_o
[16:05] <antiwire> uh
[16:05] <Neo_The_User> no?
[16:05] <MS3FGX> When can I preorder Slackware on Bluray? I need this now.
[16:05] <slackytude> slack13 will come on a double sided dvd. one side 32bit other side 64bit
[16:05] <Neo_The_User> will i need a dvd dual layer disc then?
[16:05] <zaltekk> slackytude: do i need to do make install_modules or just make install?
[16:05] <antiwire> no
[16:05] <antiwire> dude
[16:05] <thrice`> Neo_The_User: no, there will be two separate ISO's
[16:05] <Neo_The_User> are you sure?
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[16:05] <MS3FGX> You are only installing one or the other, so you just need to burn the 64 bit ISO
[16:05] <jeev> has anyone installed grub on their system ?
[16:06] <jeev> slackware
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[16:06] <Camarade_Tux> jeev: yes, I did
[16:06] <thrice`> OR, Pat (the slackware maintainer) will provide a single disk, for sale, which has each
[16:06] <slackytude> zaltekk, make modules_install but I didnt do it for a long time. I think I remeber seeing its not needed anymore
[16:06] <Neo_The_User> zaltekk, make && make modules_install && make install
[16:06] <jeev> what the hell did you do
[16:06] <jeev> it's not reading stage1 correctly
[16:06] <thrice`> woah, wrong!  make modules_install   is definitely still needed
[16:06] <Neo_The_User> jeev: try re-zeroing your master boot record
[16:06] <slackytude> right
[16:06] <zaltekk> slackytude: i think i remember seeing that too.  not sure why
[16:06] <Neo_The_User> just kidding jeev lol
[16:06] <antiwire> zaltekk: you need make modules_install, you don't need make modules
[16:06] <jeev> :>
[16:06] Action: slackytude brainz! it loses its memoriz!
[16:07] <slackytude> antiwire, ah right
[16:07] <Pig_Pen> no more make dep either
[16:07] <zaltekk> antiwire: yes, that last part i know
[16:07] <Camarade_Tux> jeev: don't remember :D
[16:07] <slackytude> Pig_Pen, thats anicent news
[16:07] <slackytude> Pig_Pen, olds
[16:07] <Camarade_Tux> but what command are you using?
[16:07] <jeev> grub-install /dev/hda
[16:07] <slackytude> Pig_Pen, from the days of yonder
[16:08] <Pig_Pen> yeah, i am an ancient old timer
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[16:08] <slackytude> so is I
[16:08] <Camarade_Tux> am ;)
[16:09] <Camarade_Tux> jeev: tried specifing where it should put its files? check the --help from it
[16:09] <Neo_The_User> is slackware good for linux power users who dont want to waste days starting 100% from scratch?
[16:09] <antiwire> just install it already and find out
[16:09] <thrice`> Neo_The_User: ok, quit being a moron
[16:09] <antiwire> we can BS you all day
[16:09] <Neo_The_User> ok ok
[16:10] <slackytude> Neo_The_User, Id say so
[16:10] <Camarade_Tux> antiwire: no, not all day, it's already 10pm
[16:10] <antiwire> thrice`: so was I really being all that touchy earlier?
[16:10] <antiwire> lol
[16:10] <Neo_The_User> well.... you are all awesome
[16:10] <thrice`> hey, at least give them a chance ;)
[16:10] <Neo_The_User> have a great one everybody!
[16:10] <antiwire> hahaha
[16:10] <slackytude> Neo_The_User, the only compeling reason for me against slackware is that it is not bleeding edge
[16:10] <Neo_The_User> slackytude: which you can fix by using git, cvs, or svn. :P
[16:10] <Pig_Pen> slackware is a complete system, Pat does not dice each package in to several package categories making a dev package for headers & c files like a lot of other distros do
[16:10] <jeev> comrad..
[16:10] <jeev> :/
[16:10] <slackytude> Necos, yeah, but some distros do that for you
[16:11] <jeev> i've done, tried.. everythign
[16:11] <slackytude> Necos, sorry
[16:11] <slackytude> Neo_The_User, , yeah, but some distros do that for you
[16:11] <Neo_The_User> who is Necos?
[16:11] <slackytude> some dude
[16:11] <Neo_The_User> hahahah!
[16:11] <Necos> lol
[16:11] <Camarade_Tux> jeev: pastebin the error
[16:11] <Neo_The_User> OH!
[16:12] <slackytude> drinking beer and tab completion doesnt mix well
[16:12] <Necos> slackytude fails :P
[16:12] <slackytude> :(
[16:12] <quasar> slackytude: neither does sneezing while taking a piss, unfortunately :(
[16:12] <slackytude> quasar, sounds funny, tho
[16:13] <Necos> reminds me of that scene in daddy day care... "i missed!"
[16:13] <Necos> lol
[16:13] <chopp> thrice`: that root = /dev/disk/by-uuid/ works fine as long as I don't have the new drive plugged in, otherwise it still results in kernel panic.
[16:13] <Neo_The_User> is there a package list for slack?
[16:13] <quasar> I'm sure it looks funny too.. but cleaning up the mess is not funny
[16:13] <slackytude> Neo_The_User,
[16:13] <slackytude> yes
[16:13] <Neo_The_User> pool?
[16:13] <Neo_The_User> i need a pool
[16:14] <Neo_The_User> pool-ay
[16:14] <slackytude> PACKAGES.TXT on  every mirror
[16:14] <Neo_The_User> oh!
[16:14] <Neo_The_User> sweet
[16:14] <thrice`> chopp: did you update fstab too ?
[16:14] <Neo_The_User> what mirror should i use to install and build slack64?
[16:15] <Neo_The_User> what mirror is MOST freq updated?
[16:15] <Neo_The_User> not... whats closest to me
[16:15] <thrice`> they are all pretty good; osuosl is good
[16:15] <Camarade_Tux> ><
[16:15] <slackytude> I usually wait for the torrentz
[16:15] <thrice`> slackware.no  also has updated snapshot ISO's (so, a slackware64 13rc1+ currently)
[16:15] <jeev> comrad, when i root (hd0,1) and setup (hd0)
[16:15] <Neo_The_User> so i should wait for slack 13.0 64?
[16:15] <jeev> it checks for /boot/grub/stage1 exists.. no
[16:15] <thumbs> Neo_The_User: I would.
[16:16] <jeev> it's already mounted hm
[16:16] <Neo_The_User> will it be out next week?
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[16:16] <Camarade_Tux> jeev: why (hd0,1) ? why *1*
[16:16] <Neo_The_User> and the answer cant be, when its ready, its ready
[16:16] <jeev> 0 is swap
[16:16] Action: Camarade_Tux has forgotten the setup for grub
[16:16] <jeev> i dunno why it did it like that
[16:16] <Neo_The_User> or anything like that
[16:16] <hitest> I am waiting for 13.0
[16:16] <slackytude> Neo_The_User,well,its in RC status
[16:16] <chopp> thrice`: well at one point when I was using the addappend in lilo I had everything in fstab listed with uuid, but not with just root = in lilo. I'll try that thanks.
[16:16] <slackytude>  /topic
[16:16] <fire|bird> Hey hitest, how's it going?
[16:16] <Neo_The_User> when are distros out of RC status and finished?
[16:17] <Neo_The_User> use slack 12.2 for example
[16:17] <Neo_The_User> how long it take?
[16:17] <Camarade_Tux> Neo_The_User: when they are out of RC status or finished
[16:17] <thrice`> Neo_The_User: depends, it'd be very easy to update to the final slackware 13 when it's out
[16:17] <thrice`> (if you installed 13.0rc1)
[16:17] <Camarade_Tux> takes the time it takes :)
[16:17] <hitest> hiya fire|bird")
[16:17] <Camarade_Tux> jeev: gah, I can't remember (and can't test either)
[16:17] <slackytude> hard to tell. Pat has to kill some pixies first so he can put a bit of fairy dust on each copy
[16:17] <hitest> gah
[16:17] <Neo_The_User> slackytude: fairy dust?
[16:17] <hitest> it goes well
[16:18] <slackytude> Neo_The_User, like in peter pan
[16:18] <jeev> great, the server at the datacenter is reporting drive errors on one of the drives
[16:18] <jeev> i never get a break man
[16:18] <Neo_The_User> haahaha
[16:18] <hitest> my typing sux
[16:18] <hitest> lol
[16:18] <Neo_The_User> hitest: your typing gives me a hard on
[16:18] <hitest> lol
[16:18] <Neo_The_User> kiddin
[16:19] <eviljames> aww, here hitest thought he was enticing
[16:19] <hitest> haha
[16:21] <fire|bird> lol
[16:21] <hitest> I would feel better if my typing enticed female slackers....I'll work on it:)
[16:21] <Neo_The_User> do females use slack?
[16:21] <fire|bird> hitest: first, you must find an available female slacker. :)
[16:21] <fire|bird> Neo_The_User: nix_chix0r does
[16:21] <slackytude> we have some females
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[16:22] <slackytude> some female humans as well
[16:22] <fire|bird> hitest: because you KNOW they are all taken. :P
[16:22] <hitest> we have female slackers
[16:22] <Neo_The_User> slackytude: hahaha
[16:22] <slackytude> and there is always #ubuntu-women
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[16:22] <fire|bird> slackytude: there's female humans, dang, when did this happen? :P
[16:22] <hitest> ewwww
[16:22] <jeev> comrad
[16:22] <jeev> im pissed at you
[16:22] <Neo_The_User> comrad?
[16:22] <thrice`> people aren't actually paying you, are they jeev ?
[16:22] <Neo_The_User> who is comrad?
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[16:23] <jeev> !
[16:23] <fire|bird> Neo_The_User: Camarade_Tux :)
[16:23] <jeev> thrice`, not for this
[16:23] <jeev> this is for myself
[16:23] <eviljames> fire|bird: It never happened.  We all know that women aren't *people*.
[16:23] <Neo_The_User> oh
[16:23] <slackytude> fire|bird, not quite sure meself. I've heard rumors of a female subspecies of homo sapiens but never found the opportunity for intensive study
[16:23] <echelon> #ubuntu-womanatees
[16:23] <fire|bird> eviljames: I didn't think so, slackytude's information source must be shady. :P
[16:23] <echelon> just as bloated as their distro
[16:23] <slackytude> echelon, uh, that gotta hurt
[16:24] <Neo_The_User> BYE ALL!
[16:24] <hitest> bye
[16:24] <fire|bird> slackytude: we may have to begin a scientific study. Find all the female humans you can.
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[16:24] <slackytude> fire|bird, sir, yes, sir
[16:24] <eviljames> echelon: Well played sir.
[16:24] Action: slackytude grabs some chloroform and wander off
[16:24] <fire|bird> eviljames: you in on this scientific study?
[16:24] <eviljames> How large is the sample size going to be?
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[16:25] <fire|bird> as large as possible?
[16:25] <slackytude> sounds like a plan
[16:25] <fire|bird> I'd ask slackytude, but it seems he's wandered off somewhere.
[16:25] <fire|bird> oh, he's back
[16:25] <fire|bird> slackytude: that was quick
[16:26] <slackytude> Im unsure where to go
[16:26] <slackytude> so I came back for directions
[16:26] <fire|bird> maps.google.com is your friend. :P
[16:26] <fire|bird> maps.bing.com is the enemy.
[16:26] <slackytude> there is maps.bing? heh
[16:26] <chopp> thrice`: nope, still panic. How is it that I can have two drives already on the sata interface, and things work fine, but as soon as I throw the third drive into the mix, things go all to hell?
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[16:27] Action: slackytude searches google maps for female humans
[16:27] <fire|bird> slackytude:  yeah, Microsoft's map service. was maps.live.com
[16:27] <hitest> bbl
[16:27] <fire|bird> WOW, google has 3,970,000 results for female humans
[16:27] <fire|bird> later hitest
[16:28] <eviljames> fire|bird: How many results for "kill all the humans" ?
[16:28] <fire|bird> slackytude: apparently, there's more to this investigation than we thought there'd be.
[16:28] <slackytude> sample size is gonna be large
[16:28] <hitest> later fire|bird
[16:28] <prowire> http://www.bing.com/maps/
[16:28] <slackytude> we need more ressources
[16:28] <fire|bird> eviljames: 39,400,000
[16:28] <eviljames> I see, it appears we have 10x more murderers than female women.
[16:28] <eviljames> err
[16:28] <Pig_Pen> http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSTRE56M3G020090723  all you guys looking for women heres your chance
[16:28] <fire|bird> lol
[16:29] <eviljames> I won't bother correcting that - you all know what I mean
[16:29] <fire|bird> Hmm, interesting link Pig_Pen. It seems these women will do various odd jobs for various things. Yes, interesting. :)
[16:29] <prowire> eviljames would rather have femal men
[16:29] <prowire> female*
[16:30] <eviljames> prowire: just you bay bee.
[16:31] <Pig_Pen> i bet that would be a sight to watch a nakid women plow a field while singing
[16:31] <fire|bird> haha
[16:31] <fire|bird> gosh, there's an antiwire, a prowire. :P
[16:31] Nick change: fire|bird -> brokenwire
[16:31] <brokenwire> :D
[16:31] <slackytude> Pig_Pen, agreed
[16:31] <eviljames> awwwww you gotta take me home tonight... awww down beside that red firelight.. awwwww you gotta let it all hang out, fat bottom girls you make the rockin' world go 'round!
[16:31] <prowire> antiwire,
[16:32] <prowire> antiwire, brokenwire, and prowire
[16:32] Nick change: eviljames -> asswire
[16:32] <slackytude> prowire and antiwire may never shake hands
[16:32] Nick change: asswire -> ass|hat
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[16:32] <brokenwire> slackytude: althought that would be interesting.
[16:32] <brokenwire> although
[16:32] <brokenwire> asswire. hahaha
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[16:33] Nick change: prowire -> Naraku
[16:33] <chopp> anyone else have an idea how to add this third drive minus the kernel panic? :P
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[16:34] <Camarade_Tux> wow, crashed
[16:34] <Camarade_Tux> I was typing something in xpaint and pressed Esc, total freeze
[16:35] <dive> evening all
[16:35] <brokenwire> greetings dive
[16:35] Nick change: brokenwire -> fire|bird
[16:35] <dive> aha
[16:35] <thrice`> chopp: sorry, out of ideas :(
[16:36] <fire|bird> dive: how are you?
[16:36] <dive> fine thanks, yourself? :-)
[16:36] <fire|bird> doing great, thank you. :)
[16:37] <Pig_Pen> you get a kernel panic every time you add a third drive to a Slackware powered PC?
[16:37] <chopp> thrice`: alright thanks for trying.
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[16:38] Action: Camarade_Tux loves xfs
[16:38] <ass|hat> chopp: sorry, I haven't been following your issue, you add a 3rd drive to a sata controller and things go haywire?
[16:38] <ass|hat> chopp: have you pastebinned a bunch of stuff already?
[16:38] <jeev> i can apparently install grub through mounting t he drive
[16:38] <jeev> when booting into slack cd
[16:39] <Camarade_Tux> although it lost the contents of the file I had :P
[16:39] <jeev> but im doing something wrong now ;)
[16:39] <nooper> stop kicking your rack
[16:39] <Pig_Pen> sounds like the BIOS is changing the drive letters of the first two drives with the appearence of the third drive, i think there could be two ways of dealing with that, find out what drive letter the drive the OS changes to and fix up fstab to reflect that or mount it as a slave if possible
[16:40] <chopp> ass|hat: yeah I get kernel panic even when using /dev/disk/by-uuid/ in lilo.conf and fstab.
[16:41] <nooper> is the kernel panic when you try to mount the third fs?
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[16:41] <Pig_Pen> add the third drive, use slax live CD to see what the drive letters changed to, fix fstab and chroot & run /sbin/lilo
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[16:42] <eviljames> chopp: but by-uuid works with 2 disks?
[16:42] <Pig_Pen> fix fstab and *"lilo.conf"* with that method
[16:42] <chopp> nooper: no I can hotplug the drive and mount it fine, but on reboot the drive order gets mixed up resulting in the panic.
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[16:43] <Pig_Pen> is this a drive you want to keep permanintly attached or just shuffle some files around and remove?
[16:43] <Camarade_Tux> tired, going to bed, good night
[16:43] <chopp> eviljames: well to begin with I had the two sata drives, and didn't need to use uuid. It just worked.
[16:43] <Pig_Pen> laters Camarade_Tux
[16:43] <eviljames> Camarade_Tux: later dude
[16:43] <eviljames> chopp: can you force detection order in the bios?
[16:44] <chopp> Pig_Pen: it changes each boot.
[16:44] <chopp> eviljames: the order is correct in the bios.
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[16:45] <Pig_Pen> that is an odd dilemma chopp, lets see what rworkman or alienBOB has to say
[16:46] <chopp> If only I could remember how I added the second drive long ago. I'm thinking just the fstab entry and it just worked.
[16:48] <eviljames> udev, perhaps
[16:48] <Camarade_Tux> nix_chix0r: you mentionned Pirates in HD, wasn't it the first movie in Blu-Ray? :D
[16:48] <Camarade_Tux> (yeah, that was preventing me from sleeping ;p )
[16:48] <eviljames> chopp: You could make udev rules that force the disks to certain sda/sdb/sdc I'd bet.
[16:49] <chopp> eviljames: I've done that also, but this happens before udev kicks in no?
[16:49] <eviljames> ...actually scratch that, udev happens after the filesystem loads.
[16:49] Action: eviljames isn't thinking straight.
[16:49] <chopp> :)
[16:50] <zaltekk> well...i managed to install a new kernel and make it back here :P
[16:52] <fire|bird> zaltekk: congratulations
[16:53] <zaltekk> now i just need to see if added the preemption makes a difference
[16:53] <zaltekk> *adding
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[16:53] <fire|bird> brb
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[16:53] <zaltekk> i also went from hugesmp to generic smp, so i guess that is an improvement as well
[16:55] <jeev> jesus
[16:55] <jeev> im gonna reinstall slack and try grub immediately after install
[16:55] <jeev> oh.. but there isn't grub there. wonderful
[16:55] <Dominian>  /extra
[16:55] <jeev> oh
[16:55] <jeev> thanks
[16:55] <Dominian> np
[16:55] <Camarade_Tux> not in my rsync ...
[16:55] <jeev> chances are i wont be here, i'll be doing it on the actual server at the datacenter
[16:55] <jeev> bah
[16:56] <chopp> Pig_Pen: permanent drive addition
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[16:56] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, it's not in slackware64's extra/ afaik
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[16:57] <slackytude> wb fire|bird
[16:58] <fire|bird> What the.....I set built-in firewire into the kernel and it still shows as not set.
[16:58] <fire|bird> slackytude: thanks
[16:59] <fire|bird> ARGH, # CONFIG_FIREWIRE is not set
[16:59] <slackytude> why not?
[17:00] <fire|bird> I have no idea
[17:00] <slackytude> thats bad
[17:00] <slackytude> what did you do?
[17:00] <fire|bird> I set it to build firewire into the kernel in menuconfig, yet it still isn't showing it as being there.
[17:00] <fire|bird> I rebuilt the kernel
[17:00] <slackytude> showing where?
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[17:01] <fire|bird> I just am looking at this rebuilt kernel with menuconfig and the Stable Firewire stack is *
[17:01] <fire|bird> C'mon someone, tell my what I failed to do. :P
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[17:02] <Pig_Pen> i would plug the drive where you want it, use a slax live cd, boot a couple of times to make sure the drive letters are going to settle to a regular setting then edit fstab & lilo.conf to reflect the net setting, (make backups of those two files for easy restoring just it case it dont work)
[17:02] <slackytude> so, it is showing?
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[17:03] <Pig_Pen> fire|bird: did you try building firewire support as a module?
[17:03] <fire|bird> slackytude: sorry for the confusion. Yes, it is showing in menuconfig, howerver, it is not showing using zcat /proc/config.gz | grep CONFIG_FIREWIRE
[17:04] <fire|bird> Pig_Pen: That's what I thought I had done before, but I could modprobe it at all, so I rebuilt this kernel and told it to build firewire into the kernel, yet it still isn't working.
[17:04] <slackytude> fire|bird, it should show at least not set
[17:04] <slackytude> icke@porta-slack:~$ zgrep FIREWIRE /proc/config.gz
[17:04] <slackytude> # CONFIG_FIREWIRE is not set
[17:04] <fire|bird> slackytude: whoops, my bad, yeah, that command shows not set, but menuconfig shows it as set.
[17:05] <Pig_Pen> where are you loading & saving the .config ? if you use menuconfig to load an alternate .config it will save it in the alternate location, you need to save as /usr/src/linux/.config manually if you load an alternate .config
[17:05] <Camarade_Tux> bah, xpaint is terribly unstable
[17:05] <slackytude> fire|bird, you made a bubu with the kernel compile/boot then. Im with Pig_Pen
[17:05] <fire|bird> slackytude: what did I do wrong?
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[17:06] <slackytude> fire|bird, I dunno, did you see what Pig_Pen wrote?
[17:06] <fire|bird> slackytude: yeah
[17:06] <Pig_Pen> Camarade_Tux: ever use mtpaint? it is a cool little paint program (gtk based)
[17:06] <slackytude> and did you save/load it as .config?
[17:06] <fire|bird> slackytude: yeah
[17:07] <fire|bird> I guess I'll be recompiling again.
[17:07] <Camarade_Tux> Pig_Pen: I think so but I only tried it
[17:07] <slackytude> fire|bird, sux
[17:07] <Camarade_Tux> xpaint is great but it keeps on crashing here
[17:07] <slackytude> fire|bird, maybe you load wrong kernel? probably some silly oversight
[17:07] <Pig_Pen> run menuconfig fix up the options you want, then save & exit menuconfig, but before you run make check /usr/src/linux/.config to see if your settings took
[17:08] <slackytude> make check?
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[17:08] <slackytude> oh, just check
[17:08] <zaltekk> slackytude: run make, then check /usr/src/linux/.config :P
[17:08] <Pig_Pen> Camarade_Tux: it cant be all that great if it keeps crashing :p
[17:08] <fire|bird> Pig_Pen: tried that, menuconfig shows the options set as they should be.
[17:08] <zaltekk> bad grammar
[17:08] Nick change: elilo -> egrub
[17:09] <slackytude> zaltekk, yeah, guess Im getting tired
[17:10] <Camarade_Tux> Pig_Pen: ;p
[17:10] <Camarade_Tux> Pig_Pen: sbo has no slackbuild for mtpaint :D
[17:10] <slackytude> thank god its friday tomorrow
[17:10] <fire|bird> slackytude: ++
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[17:10] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, you know, I was thinking of optimizing my python code as well
[17:10] <eviljames> slackytude^slackytude++
[17:11] <Pig_Pen> xpaint is ancient software Camarade_Tux i remember it back when slackware-8 was the latest release and i dont think it seen any new development since by the author of that software
[17:11] <eviljames> slackytude: you have no idea how much I relate to that sentiment.
[17:11] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, since you cheated with your ocaml
[17:11] <slackytude> eviljames, I feel you
[17:11] Action: eviljames ' eyeballs are bleeding from sifting through endless idiotic emails
[17:11] <slackytude> eviljames, yeah, that sucks
[17:11] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: sure, optimize it ;)
[17:11] <slackytude> eviljames, dont let it ruin your we
[17:12] <Camarade_Tux> just don't over-optimize it to the point of making it unreadable/unidiomatic
[17:12] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, it gave me a kick to know that it ran faster than ocaml without optimisation
[17:12] <Camarade_Tux> Pig_Pen: I'm thinking xpaint might have troubles on 64bit...
[17:12] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, I meant using different options / interpreter
[17:12] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, source stays the same
[17:12] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, just like you gc thingy
[17:12] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: as long as there is a slackbuild for it... ;p
[17:13] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, Im thinking pysco
[17:13] <slackytude> or unladen swallow
[17:13] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: he, we were allocating millions of elements, I couldn't let the garbage collector begin working in the middle of the process ><
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[17:13] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: I don't think there's a slackbuild for unladen swallow, you're doing one? ;)
[17:14] <slackytude> *psyco
[17:14] <slackytude> heh
[17:14] <Camarade_Tux> had read that as "psyco" ;)
[17:14] <slackytude> still beta afaik
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[17:14] <Camarade_Tux> maybe not even beta in fact :D
[17:14] <slackytude> gonna looking forward for ir
[17:15] <slackytude> did you know there is a python interpreter written in perl?
[17:15] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: and the Gc module is definitely a standard part of ocaml btw ;)
[17:15] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: *WHO* did that? we need to hand him!
[17:15] <slackytude> and it was still faster...
[17:15] <slackytude> lol
[17:15] <Camarade_Tux> s/hand/hang/
[17:15] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: lol :P
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[17:16] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: also, I was surprised python ran that fast
[17:16] <slackytude> yeah,me too
[17:16] <slackytude> which is why Im looking forward to that swallow thing. interesting to see how much they can gain
[17:17] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: but it was a bit uneven because python's gc only does reference counting* while ocaml's is an actual gc
[17:17] <zaltekk> python is actually getting used more often in video games
[17:17] <Camarade_Tux> * it doesn't only do reference counting, but nearly
[17:17] <zaltekk> instead of just very simple scripting like lua
[17:17] <slackytude> I also found your ocaml code to be pretty readable, altho I think it has too many 'let'
[17:17] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: can I use llvm then? ;p
[17:17] <Camarade_Tux> I mean ocaml+llvm ;)
[17:17] <slackytude> heh, why not
[17:18] <dive> fire|bird, which firewire module are you trying to build? The stable of experimental?
[17:18] <Camarade_Tux> lua is much faster than python however
[17:18] <dive> s/of/or
[17:18] <zaltekk> there are popular first-person shooters and real-time strategy games that use python
[17:18] <slackytude> zaltekk, thats not really an area why python shines tho. lua is usually easier to use
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[17:18] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, not really. easier to combine with C/C++ tho
[17:18] <dive> modprobe fire|bird
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[17:18] <zaltekk> slackytude: maybe, but the fact that python can be used in new video games with very good graphics makes it respectable
[17:19] <zaltekk> games like civilization and battlefield use python
[17:19] <eviljames> I like python.  It's drop-dead simple, can be taught to a 4 year old
[17:19] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: there is an actual ocaml+llvm usable project ;)
[17:19] <fire|bird> dive: sorry, was afk. stable
[17:20] <slackytude> well, unladen swallo is 'useable' too
[17:20] <slackytude> heh
[17:20] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: if you can make it run...
[17:20] <slackytude> heh
[17:20] <dive> fire|bird, and CONFIG_IEEE1394 not in .config still?
[17:20] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: the only thing required is that it produces correct code
[17:20] <slackytude> I wrote a nice python script at work
[17:20] <dive> fire|bird, CONFIG_FIREWIRE is the experimental one
[17:20] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, the whole point is faster execution time
[17:21] <fire|bird> dive: Ah, ok, yeah, CONFIG_IEEE1394 is set
[17:21] <Camarade_Tux> Pig_Pen: btw, in the "save as" dialog of xpaint, I get no output: I type without seeing what I type ;)
[17:22] <fire|bird> dive: so what would be the next thing as to why it wouldn't be working? perms?
[17:22] <Camarade_Tux> (may be the nvidia drivers or a combination with them though)
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[17:22] <fire|bird> dive: It's my camcorder and I'm trying to use kino
[17:22] <slackytude> I made a context menu entry that calls a script that will call another script via xml-rpc or ssh that will mount an iso file and share it as a samba share, for windows virtual machines without cd. server is slack of course, around 100 lines of code
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[17:22] <dive> fire|bird, I haven't really used it is there an rc.firewire or some such?
[17:22] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: last fortune I saw was about first getting code to work, then making it fast ;)
[17:22] <fire|bird> dive: no, there isn't.
[17:22] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, yes!
[17:22] <Camarade_Tux> (yeah, it's really the last one I saw)
[17:22] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: I don't know how reliable unladen swallow is
[17:23] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, premature optimisation is the root of all evil
[17:23] <dive> fire|bird, check dmesg when you plug it in?
[17:23] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, last milestone was a working, just not fast yet
[17:23] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, that is to say, they have python interpreter and will now work on optimizing it
[17:24] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: ok :)
[17:24] <fire|bird> dive: Hmm, hadn't checked that. sec.
[17:25] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, I think that optimizing quote is from Knutson afaik
[17:25] <fire|bird> dive: [ 1818.790404] ieee1394: Node added: ID:BUS[0-00:1023]  GUID[008088030a601f67] and [ 1818.790452] ieee1394: Node changed: 0-00:1023 -> 0-01:1023
[17:26] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: well, it wasn't the one I had but I know that one too ;)
[17:26] <fire|bird> dive: had now I have: /dev/dv1394-0  /dev/raw1394  /dev/video1394-0 in /dev
[17:26] <slackytude> ^-^
[17:26] <fire|bird> s/had/and/
[17:26] <dive> fire|bird, ok, are there any other programs you can use instead of kino to test it with?
[17:26] <dive> fire|bird, I'm guessing a problem with kino...
[17:26] <fire|bird> dive: not that I know of.
[17:27] <fire|bird> Anybody know something other than kino that can use firewire?
[17:27] <fire|bird> dive: Hmm, the error is gone from kino saying that there wasn't anything there. sec.
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[17:28] <fire|bird> dive: but there is no items in the AV/C device drop-down in kino settings
[17:29] <fire|bird> fwiw, my firewire port is on my sound card. Is there anything extra I have to do with that?
[17:29] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, you have my source still?
[17:29] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/development/psyco/
[17:31] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: slackbuild doesn't work :)
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[17:31] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, whadda mean, doesnt work
[17:31] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: doesn't work on 64bit to be more precise ;)
[17:31] <slackytude> ah
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[17:31] <Camarade_Tux> not sure it's because of 64bit actually
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[17:32] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, sad :(
[17:32] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: you see, ocaml builds properly on 64bit :P
[17:32] <Camarade_Tux>  :D
[17:33] <slackytude> pfft
[17:33] <Camarade_Tux>  :P
[17:33] <dive> fire|bird, dunno, maybe an alsa driver?
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[17:33] <dive> fire|bird, maybe an alsa module for firewire needs probing
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[17:34] <fire|bird> dive: Hmm, that could be.
[17:34] <fire|bird> dive: at least dmesg is seeing it. :P
[17:34] <dive> fire|bird, yeah
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[17:34] <dive> brb must throw some chicken on the fire
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[17:35] <eviljames> dammit, macavity is gone :(
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[17:41] <_guitarman_> anyone in here apply RT patches to there kernel?
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[17:41] <eviljames> _guitarman_: I have a few times in the past.
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[17:43] <_guitarman_> eviljames: ok, I got an error last time, I am going to work more carefully throught the RT options that come up after running make oldconfig and if my kernel compile fails again I will see if u have some insight ;)
[17:43] <dive> fire|bird, yeah if dmesg is showing it then that's a start
[17:43] <eviljames> _guitarman_: make oldconfig will probably error out
[17:43] <_guitarman_> it hasn't actually
[17:43] <eviljames> _guitarman_: make menuconfig and ensure you've set the scheduler options and such
[17:44] <eviljames> _guitarman_: if I'm not around, fire|bird has done the same as well for a studio project we're working on.
[17:44] <dive> fire|bird, if kino isn't seeing it, it could be a problem with having it on sound card (maybe need to modprobe an alsa driver for it?) or maybe you need to test in some other software than kino
[17:45] <eviljames> _guitarman_: I assume you've already visited http://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page
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[17:47] <_guitarman_> eviljames: yes I am bouncing between alienbobs doc on slackware 2.6 kernel compile and that
[17:47] <eviljames> _guitarman_: those are excellent resources - you'll be fine :D
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[17:47] <_guitarman_> i patched the 2.6.29.6 source, downloaded the genereic-smp for that kernel (config file rather)
[17:47] <_guitarman_> so the patching seemed to go, and i copied the .config file in there , ran make oldconfig
[17:48] <_guitarman_> now it is prompting me with the new additions which i am trying to answer as best i can
[17:48] <_guitarman_> then i will run make menuconfig and try and get that right, then compile and do the finishing touches
[17:48] <fire|bird> dive: yeah, I will try another app once I find one that works with firewire.
[17:48] <eviljames> Sounds good, I don't expect you'll have too much problem.
[17:48] <_guitarman_> yesterdays balied on me i have the error in a text file on my eee pc
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[17:49] <_guitarman_> lemme pull that up - perhaps u know what i did wrong based on the error
[17:50] <Bop__> anyone with xfce here ?
[17:50] <thrice`> yep
[17:50] <Bop__> i have this situation
[17:50] <Bop__> i have a mp3 on my user desktop
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[17:51] <thrice`> (less pushing the enter button)
[17:51] <Bop__> want to copy it trought the popup menu , and paste it on my usb external drive , its mounted ... when i go to destination folder , wont give me "paste" option ... if i try any other dir on my hd , it apperars that ooption
[17:52] <eviljames> Bop__: write permission?
[17:52] <Bop__> i can drag and drop
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[17:53] <thrice`> perms is my only guess too.  works for me here
[17:53] <Bop__> but u see, its faster to use pop up menu , and go to destionation rather than opening 2 thunars
[17:53] <thrice`> if you drag nad drop, it doesn't complain of perms?
[17:53] <Bop__> nope
[17:53] <Bop__> copies with no problems
[17:54] <Bop__> so u have that option in thunar over usb external disk
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[17:56] <eviljames> I wonder if those 8 additional patches have made it to the kernel .31-rc yet?
[17:56] <thrice`> yes, I can to my ext3 dir
[17:56] <eviljames> (for intel graphics, btw)
[17:56] <thrice`> eviljames: probably most likely
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[17:56] <Bop__> thrice`, mine is ntfs , throught ntfs-3g , might mean something
[17:56] <eviljames> thrice`: I'm looking at macavity's updates and am going to copy them, see if that gives better performance on my 865 and/or laptops G33 or whatever chip it has
[17:57] <eviljames> gm965 eh?
[17:57] <thrice`> i'm not on kde, but I'm doing well with mesa 7.5, intel 2.8 and a vanilla 2.6.30.2
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[17:57] <eviljames> thrice`: Since he's gone, you don't know offhand if he would've needed to build in a clean/chroot environment?
[17:57] <eviljames> thrice`: xserver-1.6.2 rebuilt as well?
[17:58] <thrice`> yep
[17:58] <thrice`> eviljames: well, mesa, x-server, and the intel driver all support destdir, so why a chroot?
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[18:00] <eviljames> I hadn't built X since I did lfs ~ a year ago, just couldn't remember offhand
[18:00] <Naraku> make evillinux
[18:00] <eviljames> I do make evillinux, how did you know?
[18:00] <thrice`> pat's mesa build needs a little tweaking, though
[18:00] <Naraku> then tweak it
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[18:00] <thrice`> OMG i did
[18:01] <eviljames> thrice`: He mentioned your recipe earlier - will I know just as I check the script or is it something that's a bitof a 'gotcha'?
[18:02] <thrice`> http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/l2AOZy23.html   is the slackbuild that I used.  I haven't checked if non-intel goodies work (eg, the odd-ball video chipsets)
[18:03] <thrice`> if you're not on 64-bit, change that libdir line too
[18:05] <eviljames> and dir-drivedir :P
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[18:07] <thrice`> http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/fvCToM56.html  is proper
[18:13] <eviljames> k, cool.  This should go well.
[18:13] <thrice`> nah, never does
[18:14] <Camarade_Tux> woot, some websites have given html/js rollover effects! \o/
[18:14] <Camarade_Tux> ... they use flash instead...
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[18:18] <eviljames> Yeah, I HATE those websites.
[18:18] <eviljames> That's a sign that I should never have visited it in the first place.
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[18:19] <Camarade_Tux> hopefully it was only a simple rollover
[18:19] <Camarade_Tux> and not too annoying
[18:19] <Camarade_Tux> ok, I can finally go to bed now!
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[18:21] <chopp> rworkman: ping
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[18:24] <rg3> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=recursion <-- nice, i didn't know that :)
[18:24] <eviljames> Did you mean RECURSION?
[18:27] <Camarade_Tux> eviljames: :)
[18:28] <Camarade_Tux> let rec f () = f () in f ()
[18:29] <Camarade_Tux> unfortunately it won't even stack overflow in ocaml
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[18:36] <john_dee> how do i check non-system partitions after the crash? is it sufficient to run fsck.ext3 /path or should i use -f?
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[18:46] <wsp4th> i am wanting to execute a sed search and replace against all the files in a directory: sed 's/(\(.*CustomLog.*\)\(X-forwarded-For\)\(.*\)/\1VirtualOffice\3/' -i *
[18:46] <wsp4th> but when i executed that it didnt touch any of the files in the directory
[18:47] <wsp4th> did i do something wrong?... btw i did test it out against one filename and sed string works.... but i dont want to have to touch 125 files
[18:48] <thrice`> mm, sed -i 's/your_crap/your_updated_crap/g' *   ?
[18:49] <thrice`> try it in that fashion
[18:49] <wsp4th> global is not needed in this instance
[18:49] <wsp4th> sed 's/(\(.*CustomLog.*\)\(X-forwarded-For\)\(.*\)/\1VirtualOffice\3/' -i www.mydomain.com.conf worked fine for that one file
[18:50] <wsp4th> sed 's/(\(.*CustomLog.*\)\(X-forwarded-For\)\(.*\)/\1VirtualOffice\3/' -i * did not work for all the files
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[18:54] <walmartshopper> any estimates on when slack 13 will be released?  i'm building a new web server and will be using 64bit slack 13.  I would like to the have the hardware put together by the time slack 13 is released.  on the other hand... if it's going to be more than a week or two, i'd like to wait and see if the hardware prices drop
[18:54] <eviljames> wait and see if prices drop would be my best bet.
[18:55] <eviljames> They certainly aren't going up anytime soon.
[18:55] <eviljames> Besides, if you wait and slack13 comes out then you go melt some plastic.  If you buy now and slack doesn't come out for another 2 months that might be money better spent elsewhere.
[18:55] <thrice`> who knows when it'll be out.  my (very peresonal) guess is that Pat might still be considering a kernel change
[18:56] <eviljames> I think that's a pretty good guess, thrice`.  The outpouring of issues relating to intel video flux, and the ugliness of a patched kernel lead me to believe the same.
[18:56] <eviljames> .31 is already at rc4 and .30.2 is out as wlel
[18:56] <eviljames> s/wlel/well/
[18:56] <antiwire> jeev you weenie
[18:57] <thrice`> we'll see, I suppose ;)
[18:57] <antiwire> i just paid 20 bucks to for helping some dude get his car out of the sand which he half buried at the beach
[18:57] <antiwire> noobs
[18:57] <antiwire> got paid**
[18:57] <eviljames> I was gonna say, you paid someone to help them get their car out of the sand?
[18:57] <antiwire> I always have a shovel in my truck.
[18:57] <eviljames> That is a bad deal all around.
[18:57] <thrice`> lol
[18:58] <antiwire> lol yeah he paid me
[18:58] <eviljames> antiwire: need to have the tools to bury the dead hookers, eh?
[18:58] <antiwire> so basically I rented a shoved to someone for 10 minutes for 20 bucks
[18:58] <eviljames> antiwire: that's a scalable process, you know.  I have a friend who rents heavy digging equipment to oil rigs for weeks at a time - but he gets paid much more than 20 bucks.
[18:59] <antiwire> awesome
[18:59] <antiwire> eviljames: I want to go be a rig pig for 6 months or a year
[18:59] <wsp4th> sed 's/(\(.*CustomLog.*\)\(X-[F-f]orwarded-For\)\(.*\)/\1VirtualOffice\3/' -i * ... will the [F-f] work for checking case?
[18:59] <Pig_Pen> i bet he gets thousands of bucks a week
[18:59] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: you'd be betting a little on the low side, but there's also huge capital costs (read: loans) involved in purchasing that kind of equipment.
[19:00] <Pig_Pen> notice there is an 's' on the end of that thousand
[19:01] <eviljames> 'tens of' preceeding might be more accurate.
[19:01] <juice> anyone here got compiz-fusion working?
[19:01] <juice> in virtualbox
[19:02] <chopp> I used to rent out a bobcat I had to the oil company I was drilling wells for. 400.00 a day over and above my drilling wage. :P
[19:02] <Pig_Pen> juice: you would be more successful with your compiz on slack if you would install & run slack on bare nakid hardware (save virtual box for junk OSs like windows & ubuntu)
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[19:03] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: calling ubuntu a junk os is kinda like shooting yourself in the foot, isn't it?
[19:03] <juice> Pig_Pen, probably
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[19:03] <Pig_Pen> no
[19:03] <juice> i'll settle for metacity composition for now I guess
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[19:05] <Naraku> junk distro*
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[19:06] <Pig_Pen> you know what i mean, if you got to be that analitical about it
[19:06] <Naraku> I thought you was calling GNU/linux a junk OS
[19:06] <juice> Pig_Pen, I know exactly what you mean
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[19:07] <Pig_Pen> no, linux is great! just some implementations (distros) suck
[19:07] <straterra> for some uses, linux is junk
[19:07] <Naraku> games?
[19:07] Action: john_dee thinks that wise people will just make use of advantages of different systems instead of shitting on one and praising the other
[19:07] <Naraku> games w/o wine*
[19:07] Action: eviljames thinks john_dee is right
[19:07] <eviljames> john_dee: but there are lots of jokes that never get old :P
[19:07] <Naraku> john_dee forgot his r
[19:07] <straterra> gaming..routing/network..
[19:08] <Naraku> what's best for routing/networking?
[19:08] <john_dee> Naraku, ye. i don't know whether to laugh or cry, funny man %p
[19:09] <straterra> I've found fbsd to be tons better
[19:09] <Naraku> *BSD ?
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[19:09] <Naraku> FreeBSD is good for that
[19:09] <Naraku> more stable i guess
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[19:10] <ejm> so, slackware is starting to go 64-bit now, along with 32-bit?
[19:10] <Naraku> yes
[19:10] <straterra> yes
[19:10] <walmartshopper> linux doesn't suck at running games... it's the lack of developer support that sucks
[19:10] <guax> and arm
[19:10] <Naraku> one day slackware will kill 32 bit
[19:10] <ejm> sweeeeet!!
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[19:10] <wooby1> hi, where might i found the boot floppies?
[19:10] <Naraku> but that will be eons from now
[19:11] <Naraku> slackware.com
[19:11] <wooby1> i downloaded the latest iso torrent but couldn't find them in there
[19:11] <thrice`> wooby1: kernels don't fit on floppies these days
[19:11] <Naraku> tho ppl still have floppy drives?
[19:11] <john_dee> Naraku, tell me about it! distro that's supposed to run on older hardware willl kill 32bit version. right
[19:11] <ejm> I know that ubuntu isn't as friendly to my laptop as slack was. but it's easier to deal with with a wife who doesn't use computers very much.
[19:11] <Naraku> but that will be eons from now <-- john_dee
[19:12] <guax> wth is eons?
[19:12] <wooby1> thrice`: that's a shame
[19:12] <thrice`> wooby1: nah, use a usb key
[19:12] <wooby1> surely there's some maintained  unix-like os i can install on a 486
[19:12] <straterra> john_dee: uh..what?
[19:12] <ejm> yeah there is
[19:12] <ejm> DSL
[19:12] <thrice`> slackware will run on i486
[19:13] <straterra> Your question makes no sense
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[19:13] <Naraku> guax, periods of time that total many decades or centuries
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[19:13] <Pig_Pen> DeLiLinux wooby1 (if slackware dont suit you)
[19:13] <guax> wooby1, you can run slackware in a 486, but you weill have to make some changes
[19:13] <wooby1> thrice`: last time i ran it on a 486 was slack8 days
[19:13] <ejm> and slack will. I ran firefox on a pentium 133.
[19:13] <straterra> wooby1: Good luck getting Slack to run on a i486 though..hope you have it maxed out in memory
[19:13] <wooby1> do i have to compile my own boot kernel and make my own boot floppy images?
[19:13] <rg3> wooby1: does it have a cd-rom?
[19:13] <wooby1> rg3: no
[19:13] <thrice`> usb?
[19:13] <Naraku> usb?
[19:13] <wooby1> negative
[19:13] <john_dee> straterra: lol. what what?
[19:13] <wooby1> it's a gateway handbook
[19:13] <straterra> The initrd requires..what..64 megs of ram or so these days?
[19:13] <rg3> wooby1: network installation then, i suppose
[19:14] <straterra> 19:11 < john_dee> Naraku, tell me about it! distro that's supposed to run on older hardware willl kill 32bit version. right
[19:14] <straterra> ^^ Sense, it makes none
[19:14] <wooby1> rg3: that's the plan, i have a pmmcia nic in there
[19:14] <wooby1> *pcmcia
[19:14] <john_dee> straterra: wat question. i didn't ask anything :p
[19:14] <Naraku> it was a statement
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[19:14] <illuz1oN> Does anyone have a Slackware wallpaper (preferably 1440 x 900)
[19:14] <Naraku> saracism
[19:14] <Naraku> bah
[19:14] <john_dee> %)
[19:14] <rg3> wooby1: read the pxe booting documentation to find out how to boot from the network and proceed to install
[19:14] <straterra> ok..the statement doesn't make sense
[19:15] <straterra> And I took the 'right' on the end to mean ', right?'
[19:15] <thrice`> illuz1oN: btw, where was the openSSH 0-day?
[19:15] <john_dee> straterra: oh, rly?
[19:15] <straterra> Yes..ar el why
[19:15] <Naraku> it makes some sense
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[19:15] <straterra> No it doesn't
[19:15] <straterra> I can't even make out what the sentence is supposed to mean
[19:15] <Naraku> basically he's saying distros aimed at old hardware won't kill 32bit
[19:16] <nick4> How do I tell lftp to upload a whole batch of files? Maybe a whole directory (recursively)?
[19:16] <john_dee> well, we already decided that aeons from now 32 slack will be gone
[19:16] <antiwire> thrice`: it's bullshit
[19:16] <john_dee> straterra: get off drugs, friend. they'll do u no good :p
[19:16] <straterra> Naraku: that's kinda..apples to meteors
[19:16] <straterra> john_dee: I'm not on drugs..
[19:16] <straterra> I'm trying to decypher your statement
[19:16] <Naraku> basically he's saying distros aimed at old hardware won't kill 32bit
[19:17] <Naraku> what more is there to decypher?
[19:17] <straterra> That statement doesn't make sense either
[19:17] <straterra> How would a distro kill '32-bit' ?
[19:17] <john_dee> oh god!
[19:17] <john_dee> kill it with fire
[19:17] <Naraku> stop being logical
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[19:17] <straterra> Stop being logical to understand a statement?
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[19:18] <straterra> Am I supposed to feel it with my heart to get the meaning, or something?
[19:18] <Naraku> sure why not
[19:18] <ejm> what is the discussion or question?
[19:18] <guax> X bit whatever will never die, you will always have different plataforms to work with, but i think yes, 32 will die in home/entertainement/professional systems
[19:18] <Naraku> it was a sarcastic statement
[19:18] <Naraku> nothing to get really
[19:18] <straterra> A statement that makes NO sense
[19:18] <Naraku> why am i defending john_dee w/o the r
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[19:19] <john_dee> straterra: like producing x86_64 version only, as ms does with win2008 server r2
[19:19] <straterra> You could replace any noun in that statement with any other noun in the language and it'd make the same amount of sense.
[19:19] <nick4> Does AMD/Intel/other-vendors sell 32-bit CPUs anymore? Netbooks have 32-bit CPUs?
[19:19] <antiwire> thrice`: I think that hoaxed 0-day was a publicity stunt
[19:19] <straterra> nick4: the Atom n and z series are both x86 only
[19:19] <eviljames> nick4: Atom is 32bit iirc
[19:19] <Naraku> AMD sells 32bit cpus
[19:19] <thrice`> yes, but illuz1oN knew them
[19:19] Nick change: john_dee -> john_deer
[19:19] <eviljames> nick4: And the Via chips
[19:19] <Naraku> Intel does too
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[19:19] <Naraku> and VIA
[19:20] <eviljames> Naraku: Hey thanks for saying exactly what I just said!
[19:20] <illuz1oN> thrice`, I believe there is one out there.
[19:20] <illuz1oN> I don't have it however.
[19:20] <john_deer> Naraku: happy now?! %)
[19:20] <Naraku> eviljames, np
[19:20] <Naraku> john_deer, very
[19:20] Nick change: john_deer -> john_dee
[19:20] Action: Naraku is now sad
[19:20] <john_dee> Naraku: good
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[19:21] <eviljames> illuz1oN: I was hoping for this openssh exploit - but no headlines, no high-profile hacks, nothing..
[19:21] <illuz1oN> no high-profile hacks?
[19:21] <thrice`> yeah, i thought it was yesterday?
[19:21] <thrice`> wtf-copter
[19:21] <illuz1oN> well, it wasn't using the openSSH
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[19:21] <antiwire> lol
[19:21] <illuz1oN> but imageshack & blackhat-forums were hacked using the LiteSpeed BoF
[19:21] <eviljames> Those are both old news.
[19:22] <illuz1oN> by the same guys.
[19:22] <edman007> thrice`, eviljames it was from someone who admitted its BS, and they were pretending that a group against disclosure, would disclose something
[19:22] Action: eviljames <- predicted 4chan trolls
[19:22] <eviljames> edman007: Were they from 4chan?
[19:23] <edman007> eviljames, no, but a known troll for that list
[19:23] <edman007> they had him banned, he evaded the ban and picked a new name
[19:23] <ejm> stupid trolls. sick gandalf on them
[19:23] <eviljames> Yeah, I saw the posts on the list about this being 'someone under a different name'
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[19:24] <john_dee> straterra: all right, grammar nazi. i see your point. that's just a good example of eastern european english :p
[19:25] <eviljames> I thought being an overt grammar nazi was bad form.. but now that I know it's permitted I'm gonna be all over you mofos!
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[19:26] Action: john_dee hides
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[19:27] Action: john_dee hides with his terrible cryptic not-really-english
[19:27] <john_dee> lol
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[19:28] <Naraku> you better hide john_dee w/o the r
[19:28] <eviljames> john_dee: If your first language isn't English I don't consider you fair game.
[19:28] <eviljames> Naraku: you _had_ better...
[19:28] <Naraku> stfu
[19:28] <Naraku> :P
[19:28] <john_dee> Naraku: that's wat i do %)
[19:28] <Naraku> this is IRC not school or whatever
[19:29] <eviljames> Look at the silence in this channel
[19:29] <eviljames> PHEAR THE MIGHTY GRAMMAR NAZI
[19:29] <john_dee> eviljames: it's not. it goes after japanese and c++ :p
[19:30] <eviljames> john_dee: You've earned an exemption until you pass a language profinciency examination.
[19:30] <nick4> no soup for you? :P
[19:30] <Naraku> wait Japanese learn english in school too
[19:30] <john_dee> eviljames: oh, me saved. like it. can i has thee exam when?
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[19:31] <eviljames> i can has cheezeburer?
[19:31] <eviljames> ohnoes!  lukz leyek ahma faylyour two!
[19:31] <guax> CAN HAS STDIO?
[19:31] <walmartshopper> hukt awn fonix wurkt fur mee
[19:32] <Naraku> guax, atleast we can guess what eviljames was saying :P
[19:32] <guax> ok, now thats beyond my english skills
[19:32] <antiwire> jeev:
[19:33] <chopp> sucks
[19:33] <guax> noo, chopp rulez
[19:33] <guax> chopp is a beverage in brazil
[19:34] <chopp> alcoholic I hope
[19:34] <guax> yes
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[19:35] <guax> and pretty good
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[19:35] <chopp> waitress bring me 10 chopps please
[19:35] <eviljames> k, dudes and dudettes, it is time for me to leave the office for today.
[19:35] <eviljames> HOORAY!
[19:36] <eviljames> catch you all soon.
[19:36] <chopp> later eviljames
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[19:38] <Pig_Pen> chopp: what if by some misinterpiation some ninja comes in and gives you 10 karate chops
[19:39] <nick4> ninjas don't do karate, they do ninjutsu!
[19:39] <nick4> ...sorry, nitpicking
[19:39] <guax> today they do movies and thats all
[19:39] <Pig_Pen> shows how much i know about asian culture
[19:41] <guax> chopp, http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chopp
[19:41] <chopp> Pig_Pen: well, I'll politely let him/her finish, then kick some ass
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[19:42] <antiwire> that damn jeev
[19:43] <antiwire> he's been whining for twos and I finally finish and now he's not here
[19:43] <jeev> what
[19:43] <Pig_Pen> i know what cervesa means :D i like it
[19:43] <jeev> im here
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[19:47] <chopp> antiwire: do you by chance know whats up with my trying to add another sata drive to my system using /dev/disk/by-uuid/ in lilo and fstab? http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/8FcxEo16.html
[19:48] <antiwire> chopp: yes
[19:48] <antiwire> bad format
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[19:48] <antiwire> here's and example: UUID=XXXXXXXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX /MOUNTPOINTHERE ext3 noauto,defaults,noatime  1   1
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[19:49] <antiwire> that's for fstab
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[19:49] <chopp> ahh...ok I'll give that a try thanks. :)
[19:49] <antiwire> np good luck
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[19:55] <powtrix> UUID=8856a72a-869e-4738-8160-f659a891c2a5 /            ext4 defaults 0 0
[19:56] <powtrix> i use uuid for some external hdds
[19:56] <antiwire> same here
[19:56] <antiwire> my laptop has a removable bay
[19:56] <antiwire> I keep my backup SATA disk in that bay and I can warmswap it
[19:56] Nick change: slak -> ecryptfs
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[19:58] <chopp> same old kernel panic :( UUID=517a58b4-7cdf-49d9-91aa-03cc53f2c7fd        /                ext3        defaults         1   1
[19:59] <ecryptfs> ext2 shouldnt be deprecated?
[19:59] <Pig_Pen> ext2 is not depreciated, it is just not used much since it does not have a journal
[20:00] <antiwire> chopp: did you try root=UUID=517a58b4-7cdf-49d9-91aa-03cc53f2c7fd in lilo yet?
[20:00] <antiwire> instead of the fs path format
[20:01] <chopp> antiwire: I'll try that now
[20:01] <antiwire> I'm not sure about lilo
[20:01] <antiwire> my UUID use doesn't need lilo, it's for a backup disk
[20:01] <powtrix> rescan to get current uuid
[20:01] <antiwire> powtrix: the UUID will not change.
[20:01] <powtrix> i mean not old partition removable
[20:01] <antiwire> it doesn't matter what the device is detected as. the UUID will stay the same until the disk is formatted
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[20:04] <chopp> antiwire: I'm getting a syntax error with that from lilo. root =UUID=517a58b4-7cdf-49d9-91aa-03cc53f2c7fd
[20:04] <antiwire> yeah
[20:05] <antiwire> the lilo.conf manpage is not so much help here
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[20:06] <antiwire> I don't even know fir sure if lilo supports UUID for root/boot
[20:06] <antiwire> for*
[20:06] <antiwire> i keep seeing conflicting reports everywhere
[20:08] <chopp> I got my previous /dev/disk/by-uuid/ info from here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/problems-adding-drives-726338/?highlight=adding+drive
[20:08] <Pig_Pen> what will google show as far as UUID + LILO ?
[20:09] <Pig_Pen> you might have to switch to Grub
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[20:10] <chopp> to simply add a third drive? I used grub for lots of years on my laptop, but that seems a little strange to me.
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[20:10] <macavity> here is a word of advice: do not plan to remove the rtc battery on a compaq laptop unless you plan to spend the next 4h cursing and pulling your hair out :P
[20:11] <fire|bird> haha, you speak from experience now macavity? :P
[20:11] Action: macavity nods with a grim look in his eyes
[20:11] <fire|bird> macavity: so, how was the past 4h for you? :P
[20:12] <macavity> had i known what i know now i would just have taken a hobby knife and freaking made a hole in the bottom
[20:12] <macavity> fraking sadists made the drawings for this one
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[20:13] <fire|bird> macavity: know anything about firewire ports on sound cards? Mine won't work. I'm beginning to think that feature isn't supported by alsa.
[20:13] <macavity> dartmouth: go fetch me a fresh cup of coffee ;-)
[20:14] <fire|bird> dartmouth: you heard the man, fetch.
[20:14] <macavity> O_o
[20:14] <macavity> firewire port ON the soundcard?
[20:14] <fire|bird> macavity: yeah, Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum
[20:14] <fire|bird> one on the card itself and one on the Breakout box.
[20:14] <macavity> as in, you are supposed to use firewire for something sound related, or did they just bundle firewire controler on the board?
[20:14] <antiwire> it's actually quite common
[20:15] <fire|bird> bundled as far as I can tell, you can use it for networking, etc. but I just want to get my camcorder working with it.
[20:15] <macavity> i have only dealt with laptops for eons, so i am presumabley far far behind
[20:15] <dive> fire|bird, you're too common
[20:15] <fire|bird> haha
[20:15] <macavity> the "breakout box" is some external gizzmo also from Crative?
[20:15] <macavity> eg, more I/O jacks/plugs?
[20:16] <fire|bird> macavity: yeah, a box with extra connections that goes into a drive bay.
[20:16] <fire|bird> CD/DVD drive bay that is.
[20:16] <macavity> right
[20:16] <fire|bird> dmesg sees it, but yet I can't seem to access it at all.
[20:16] <macavity> so you are not supposed to use that particular firewire port to say, hook up an external disk?
[20:16] <fire|bird> with kino or dvgrab.
[20:17] <fire|bird> Well, I think it can be used for anything that can be connected via firewire, but I'm not sure if alsa has support for it.
[20:17] <macavity> or is it advertized by Crative as a general purpose wirewire port?
[20:17] <fire|bird> lspci shows it as: lspci: 02:02.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Creative Labs SB Audigy FireWire Port
[20:18] <macavity> does it face the backside of the card?
[20:18] <macavity> as in, can you plug stuff in it when the case is closed?
[20:18] <fire|bird> yes
[20:18] <macavity> hm
[20:18] <macavity> then it is probably not an alsa problem
[20:18] <kejen> is anyone using that "new generation" java plugin?
[20:19] <fire|bird> anybody know of another video program that can access firewire?
[20:19] <macavity> put rather a ohci1394/ieee1394 problem
[20:19] <fire|bird> macavity: It shows in dmesg, lspci sees it, it creates the proper entries in /dev, I just can't seem to access it with kino or dvgrab.
[20:19] <macavity> ahh
[20:20] <fire|bird> and I don't know what other video apps can use firewire
[20:20] <macavity> so you have plugged what at the other end?
[20:20] <fire|bird> avidemux can't.
[20:20] <fire|bird> macavity: a camcorder.
[20:20] <macavity> a WebCam or DVD drive?
[20:20] <macavity> riiight..
[20:20] Action: macavity grasped the concept
[20:20] <fire|bird> \o/
[20:20] <fire|bird> :P
[20:21] <macavity> let me meditate on that one while i put this POS back to gether
[20:21] <macavity> the RTC battery has been out for some 20 minutes now, so lets hope the motherfucker doesnt want to play clever about it
[20:21] <fire|bird> lol
[20:21] <fire|bird> good luck
[20:22] <antiwire> don't be a sissy. I just took a dell laptop completely apart, de-soldered the power port and re-soldered a new one.
[20:22] <antiwire> I don't want to hear shit about come battery
[20:22] <antiwire> some*
[20:22] <fire|bird> don't be a macho man. :P
[20:22] <antiwire> lol
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[20:22] <macavity> antiwire: get your ass to Denmark pronto then
[20:22] <fire|bird> greetings nachox
[20:22] <antiwire> lol
[20:22] Action: fire|bird books antiwire a flight
[20:23] <macavity> antiwire: while you are here, we also have a laptop with a display broken in half
[20:23] <nachox> evening guys
[20:23] <antiwire> I'm down
[20:23] <macavity> fix THAT :P
[20:23] <fire|bird> how's it going nachox
[20:23] <antiwire> i used to fix laptops in a lab for my job
[20:23] <macavity> nachox: good evening mister nachox :-)
[20:23] <nachox> cold
[20:23] <nachox> very cold
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[20:25] <dive> nachox, evening
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[20:33] <BP{k}> fire|bird: bah heaters ... try kethry's chilli concarne ;)
[20:33] <fire|bird> haha
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[20:34] <fire|bird> BP{k}: How are you?
[20:35] <BP{k}> fire|bird: I am good. Kethry decided to cook "Nasi Goreng" tonight (indonesian) so I am well happy :)
[20:36] <fire|bird> and there's beer in the fridge yet I take it? :P
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[20:37] <BP{k}> fire|bird: sadly no, out of beer, but should be beer over the weekend.
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[20:39] <illuz1oN> brb
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[20:43] <jeev> installing 12.2 through gigabit lan
[20:43] <jeev> ;)
[20:44] <jeev> i just need grub working asap
[20:44] <jeev> any suggestions ?
[20:44] <BP{k}> jeev: install it from extra/ and then there is grubsetup IIRC
[20:47] <BP{k}> jeev: make that "grubconfig" (which is pretty much along the lines of liloconfig).
[20:47] <jeev> ok
[20:47] <jeev> i hope i dont forget
[20:49] <BP{k}> I know it's analog and all .. but notepads are handy ;)
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[20:53] <ananke> BP{k} : it's amazing how kids these days simply forget about pen & paper
[20:54] <eviljames> pen ... and what again?
[20:55] <BP{k}> ananke: too true :)
[20:55] <eviljames> I wrote my bootloader on paper.
[20:55] <eviljames> It had a bug.
[20:55] <fire|bird> eviljames: an ant?
[20:55] <fire|bird> :P
[20:55] <eviljames> fire|bird: Bug #00001: Does not run on computer because IS PAPER
[20:55] <fire|bird> lol
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[20:56] <fire|bird> I still use pen and paper quite a bit to write this, that, and the other thing down.
[20:56] <eviljames> i opened up one of my mother's books on computers from university while she was getting her accounting degree.
[20:56] <antiwire> I use a small notepad and pen to take down notes on networks I work on
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[20:56] <eviljames> punch cards fell out.  I fell on the ground laughing.
[20:57] <eviljames> I wrecked her program because she forgot to write "1, 2 .. N" on them.
[20:57] <dive> lol
[20:57] <jeev> ok my set up is different
[20:57] <jeev> BP{k}, i'm running with linux raid autodetect..
[20:57] <eviljames> dive: I take it you remember the pain I caused her?
[20:57] <jeev> grubconfig requires dialog
[20:57] <jeev> should i chroot into the installation now ?
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[20:58] <dive> eviljames, not really. My first experience was 5 inch floppies
[20:58] <antiwire> same here
[20:59] <dive> eviljames, although I'm sure various places I've worked may have used cards or tapes
[20:59] <antiwire> I played Oregon trail on an Apple IIe
[20:59] <antiwire> and made banners on a dot matrix printer in third grade
[20:59] <dive> I'm still considering rewriting my old Bedlam basic prog in perl
[20:59] <jeev> says the partition /dev/md0 is not a partition
[21:00] <antiwire> desktop publishing was really loud back then
[21:00] <dive> that was fun
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[21:00] <jeev> it says /dev/md0 does not have a corresponding drive
[21:00] <antiwire> jeev: md0 won't have a partition table itself
[21:00] <jeev> yea
[21:00] <jeev> should i just do sda1 sda2
[21:00] <dive> i think i still got photoshop and pagemaker on floppies somewhere...
[21:01] <dive> photoshop on windows 3.11 on a 386. New definition of slow.
[21:01] <eviljames> I installed some version of office on windows 3.1 for my mother as a child.
[21:02] <jeev> any suggestions
[21:02] <eviljames> I don't know precisely how many floppies, but it came in an 11" cube full.
[21:02] <eviljames> 3 1/4 inchers
[21:02] <BP{k}> jeev: hm no sorry, never worked with raid under linux yet.
[21:02] <dive> yeah I think photoshop is like 5 or 6, so office would be at least 3 times as many
[21:02] <eviljames> my first machine was 2x 5 1/2" floppies, no hd and definitely under 640k of ram
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[21:03] <jeev> googling i guess
[21:03] <jeev> i' ve worked with raid but not grub
[21:03] <eviljames> man mdadm
[21:03] <antiwire> http://tinyurl.com/llkubu
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[21:03] <antiwire> that's what I feel like right now
[21:04] <jeev> not mdadm f00l
[21:04] <jeev> i'll do it, i found something
[21:05] Action: ananke wonders how old that jeev kid is
[21:06] <eviljames> jeev: I haven't been paying attention heh
[21:06] <_guitarman_> eviljames: kernel compiled died on me again with this message: ERROR: "there_is_no_init_MUTEX_LOCKED_for_RT_semaphores" [drivers/staging/rt2870/rt2870sta.ko] undefined!
[21:06] <eviljames> wow, that's a serious explosion!
[21:06] <_guitarman_> thoughts?  - this is when I was installing the Realtime patch
[21:06] <_guitarman_> rather after i did my configuration settings
[21:06] <_guitarman_> and then built it
[21:06] <eviljames> well, no time like the present for me to do so.  I have a few different patches I want to apply to my kernel.
[21:07] <jeev> ok i think i got it
[21:07] <thrice`> yeah right
[21:08] <thrice`> i hope it lights on fire
[21:08] <antiwire> lol
[21:08] <eviljames> hahahaha
[21:08] <jeev> thrice`, man i need to get you a position at that midget catering company where you put a bowl on your head and walk around
[21:08] <jeev> you'll be the head midget
[21:08] <thrice`> k
[21:08] <thrice`> (hrhr?)
[21:10] <eviljames> _guitarman_: there's the option of disabling rt2870 altogether in menuconfig, maybe it works without it.
[21:10] <jeev> they have a catering company where they put bowl's of food on their heads
[21:10] <jeev> and they walk around and you just take it off the bowl hahaha
[21:10] <jeev> messed up but funny
[21:11] <jeev> NICE, i think it booted with grub to /dev/md0
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[21:13] <jeev> booted!
[21:13] <jeev> i need to set up a blog and document all these bullshit things i do
[21:13] <_guitarman_> eviljames: will do
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[21:22] <chopp> wtf..is this true? "You have to use an initrd if you use the root=UUID=whatever syntax, because udev needs to be run to create the necessary symlink to the real device file in /dev/disk/by-uuid"
[21:23] <edman007> chopp, you can always compile the initrd into the kernel....
[21:23] <thrice`> huh?
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[21:23] <macman_>  hey all .. i have 1 massive vob that i made 9 gigs .. how can i get this into dvd format so i can play it on a regular dvd player ?
[21:24] <chopp> man, all I want to do is add another drive to my system. This is whacked.
[21:24] <edman007> thrice`, look in the kernel options, the initrd can get stuck into the kernel image so your boot loader does not need to know about an initrd
[21:24] <chopp> I have yet to use/need an initrd
[21:24] <RipVanWinkle> what about an append="/root/<UUID_info>" thing in lilo.conf ?
[21:25] <eviljames> chopp: it seems crazy to me, as well.
[21:25] <edman007> i've done it before when i had trouble making an initrd work for lvm
[21:25] <chopp> http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/8FcxEo16.html
[21:25] <jeev> hmm any grub users
[21:25] <jeev> how do i get it to boot in 10 seconds
[21:26] <dive> macman_, dvdauthor perhaps
[21:26] <thrice`> http://www.google.com/search?q=grub+timeout&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[21:26] <chopp> lmgtfy ;)
[21:26] <jeev> thrice`, what's funy is
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[21:26] <jeev> i always ask then do it ;)
[21:26] <jeev> i had already done lol
[21:26] <thrice`> w, tf?
[21:27] <jeev> but how do i update it, is it going to reread it or do i need to launch a command
[21:27] <jeev> cause it wont grub it to /dev/md0
[21:28] <thrice`> there isn't an equiv. to running "lilo" with grub, changes just take affect
[21:28] <jeev> ok thanks
[21:28] <jeev> im so excited
[21:29] <jeev> raid 1, swap and root
[21:29] <jeev> with grub
[21:29] <Urchlay> swap on raid1 is kinda silly
[21:30] <thumbs> I concur.
[21:30] <antiwire> the kernel already stripes swap access across multiple volumes
[21:30] <jeev> i dont give a rat ass
[21:30] <jeev> i'll fix it
[21:30] <antiwire> just set the priorities the same
[21:30] <thrice`> no need to get angry jeev, just stop being a noob
[21:31] <Urchlay> hm, or maybe not, if your non-raid swap partition develops a bad spot, that'll bring down the box, won't it?
[21:31] <jeev> if i build xen
[21:31] <jeev> should i build with -j ? or na
[21:31] <antiwire> Urchlay: no it won't
[21:31] <jeev> it's ok i'm not in a rush
[21:32] <Urchlay> antiwire: I've never actually had it happen... I'd assume that, if a process's data is swapped out, and the on-disk copy of the data gets trashed, then at minimum that process has to die?
[21:32] <antiwire> I see what you mean in that case
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[21:33] <antiwire> in the past it might have been a bigger issue but lately I think that a server that would have the possibility of event going down would probably have more ram
[21:33] <antiwire> but it is a valid issue, i think
[21:34] <Urchlay> grrr, 10 years ago, CD-R drives would burn at the speed I told them to
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[21:35] <Urchlay> this one refuses to burn slower than 8x (I told it 2x and 4x, it still used 8)
[21:36] <thumbs> Urchlay: it's on strike
[21:37] <Urchlay> well it's just burned 3 coasters in a row, even though burnfree is enabled
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[21:37] <jeev> i need to tweak the config for xen a bit
[21:37] <jeev> it's building ntfs and shit
[21:37] <Urchlay> cdrecord: Success. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: no error
[21:38] <Urchlay> that's the error message I get (it says "no error", obviously it's lying)
[21:38] <thumbs> Urchlay: umm, what type of burner?
[21:38] <Urchlay> TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552B TS04
[21:39] <Urchlay> cheap crappy one, in other words
[21:39] <thumbs> Urchlay: and the maximum burning speed?
[21:39] <antiwire> I have one of these in my laptop [1:0:0:0]    cd/dvd  TSSTcorp DVD+-RW TS-L632D DE04  /dev/sr0
[21:39] <Urchlay> ide-cd: hdd: ATAPI 48X DVD-ROM DVD-R CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache
[21:39] <thumbs> I might have that in my dell laptop, too
[21:40] <eviljames> hda: TSSTcorp CDDVDW TS-L632N, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[21:40] <Urchlay> it does *not* work at 48X, but then nothing I've ever seen has ever worked at faster than about 16X, on any OS/hardware/disc
[21:40] <eviljames> so, since Urchlay was having problems I've coastered 2 dvds.
[21:40] <Urchlay> I only want to burn at 8x
[21:40] <eviljames> this one does not work past about 6x
[21:41] <thumbs> Urchlay: I use 12x to be safe
[21:41] <Urchlay> and I'd be happy with 2x or 4x if it would *work*, but the drive refuses to do anything between 1x and 8x
[21:41] <Urchlay> ok, now it's working (with different type of blank media)
[21:42] <twolf> media plays a big roll
[21:42] <Urchlay> though, the media that's failing, I've used before with better results than this
[21:42] <Urchlay> burned maybe 10 of them, until tonight had one fail during burning
[21:42] <Urchlay> (now tonight, 3 in a row)
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[21:43] <Urchlay> they're the black memorex discs, I wouldn't have knowingly bought them (they came in a spindle with 20 silver discs on top, the 80 on bottom are black. Grrr.)
[21:44] <Naraku> Urchlay, making wanna be Sony PS1 discs eh?
[21:44] <illuz1oN> Night all...
[21:45] <Urchlay> Naraku: eh, they're audio CDs actually (for listening to in the car)
[21:45] <twolf> used to be able to find japanese made discs pretty much anywhere, these days it seems only tawainese made discs are available which don´t seem to be as good
[21:45] <Urchlay> or this particular one I'm trying to burn now, is for listening to in the basement where there's no computer
[21:46] <Urchlay> bleah. It just pisses me off that CD recording is supposed to be a "mature" technology, but it was more reliable for me 10 years ago than it is now
[21:46] <twolf> the media sucks these days
[21:47] <Urchlay> like floppy discs: I've got 25+ year old ones that still work, but new ones, you're lucky if they don't start out bad
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[21:51] <eviljames> whenever possible, us techy folks should look to the future
[21:51] <eviljames> FLAC & flash memory
[21:51] <eviljames> all uthr mediaz r ded
[21:51] <twolf> I wish I could play flac through my car stereo
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[21:55] <Urchlay> eviljames: well, I don't have enough money to buy another computer to put downstairs plus run an ethernet cable for it (wireless wont work in the basement). And I don't have enough room upstairs for my bass amp (it's bigger than some small refrigerators). And I need to (a) listen to this song and (b) play it at the same time
[21:56] <Urchlay> I have a tiny crappy-sounding practice bass amp here, but what I'm trying to do sounds so bad on it that it's not worth doing
[21:56] <eviljames> Urchlay: no, i recognize that the reality of the situation is different from the aforementioned ideal
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[22:00] <Urchlay> also the CD player down there refuses to play the original CD (no, it's not scratched either)
[22:01] <twolf> damn
[22:01] <Naraku> old CD Player?
[22:01] <Urchlay> meaning I've just wasted almost an hour trying to burn a disc, finally got one that's good, and it still won't work on the player I need it to work on (it does, however, work on the one in my car...)
[22:02] <Urchlay> Naraku: no idea. It doesn't look old (doesn't belong to me, so I dunno)
[22:02] <Urchlay> it's of the type I would never purchase: when it's "powered off", it constantly displays animated advertisements for its features
[22:03] <eviljames> Same goes for cars, we should all be trying to get electric or hybrid cars - no need to pollute as we have the technology not to.
[22:03] <eviljames> but you can't always get what you want :P
[22:03] <twolf> hehe
[22:03] <Urchlay> I don't understand WTF is going on with that trend in electronics. Do they think our lives are so empty that we need every gadget to try to get our attention all the time?
[22:04] <antiwire> yes
[22:04] <Urchlay> microwave oven that beeps when it's done, then beeps again every 10 sec to remind you "hey, your food's done!"
[22:04] <antiwire> and sheeple fuel that cycle
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[22:04] <antiwire> baaaahhhh
[22:04] <twolf> that kind of crap comes from the marketing department and not the engineering department
[22:04] <antiwire> listen carefully, you can hear the sheeple .o0bahhhhbaahhh
[22:04] <Urchlay> it's not like it's going to rot or go stale in the couple of minutes I leave it in there while I stir my coffee or whatever
[22:05] <Naraku> use the oven then ;P
[22:05] <Naraku> oven > microwave
[22:05] <twolf> I got an old school microwave with a turn dial that still works perfectly
[22:05] <Urchlay> rather use the microwave I had 10+ years ago. It cooked food fast, beeped once at the end, and nothing else
[22:05] <Dominian> and gave you cancer
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[22:05] <chopp> Urchlay: I've also wanted to backhand the microwave off the counter. :P
[22:06] <twolf> just don´t stand close to it
[22:06] <Naraku> they all give you cancer
[22:06] <Dominian> don't
[22:06] <Naraku> everything gives you cancer
[22:06] <Dominian> twolf: what character did you just put up?
[22:06] <antiwire> microwaves are microwaves. they don't escape like that. it's not like atomic radiation or something
[22:06] <Urchlay> twolf: lucky bastige. Mine, the spring-loaded dial broke (you could microwave food forever in it, or anyway until the house burns down)
[22:07] <twolf> Dominian: I´m not sure, I just typed letters
[22:07] <antiwire> those turn dial microwaves are the good ones
[22:07] <Dominian> k
[22:07] <Urchlay> Dominian: U+00B4, one of those extra quote mark characters that exists for unknown reasons
[22:07] <Dominian> it appears that irssi is giving me some issues with weird chars
[22:07] <Urchlay> unicode defines it as "ACUTE ACCENT"
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[22:07] <antiwire> ´`' weird
[22:07] <beatzz> ello
[22:08] <twolf> hi beatzz
[22:08] <Naraku> ';'ello
[22:08] <Urchlay> (and it's possible to get irssi to display it correctly, mine does anyway)
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[22:08] <Urchlay> yah, but Dominian was the one asking
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[22:10] <Urchlay> anyway I'm off to go attempt to play this bass solo (I can write music I can't play, apparently)
[22:10] <gnubien> microwave cooked food tastes rubbery
[22:10] <macavity> s/cooked/nuked/
[22:10] <twolf> I mostly use it to reheat leftovers
[22:10] <antiwire> gnubien: that is from the protein strands in the substances being denatured
[22:11] <beatzz> i have some realy killer herb
[22:11] <beatzz> o_o
[22:11] <macavity> and we should care about your drug abuse why?
[22:11] <beatzz> i dont know...im just incredibly bored.
[22:11] <thrice`> popcorn tastes good!
[22:11] <twolf> hell yeah
[22:12] <Urchlay> o_o   <-- looks like an old Kodak or whatever film cartridge. Anyone else remember those?
[22:12] <thrice`> (or is that not "food?")
[22:12] <twolf> 110 film
[22:12] <macavity> and compaq apparently requires that you take your machine in for maintanence if you forget the power on password...
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[22:12] <macavity> Urchlay: lol
[22:12] <Neo_The_User> hi all again
[22:13] <beatzz> yo
[22:13] <Neo_The_User> how much space does slack64 need (13.0-rc1?)
[22:13] <beatzz> neo, have you ever smoked Blueberry Silver Haze?
[22:13] <Neo_The_User> i would've if i could find some
[22:13] <twolf> lol
[22:13] <macavity> Neo_The_User: some 5-6 GB for a full install
[22:14] <Neo_The_User> so a blu-ray disc
[22:14] <macavity> no
[22:14] <twolf> it fits on a dvd
[22:14] <macavity> a DVD covers it.. the packages are compressed :P
[22:14] <thrice`> Neo_The_User: packages are compressed, of course
[22:14] <macavity> thrice`: trumphed :P
[22:14] <thrice`> boo ;)
[22:15] <Neo_The_User> oh
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[22:15] <Neo_The_User> i thought dvds were... 4.7 gb
[22:16] <twolf> compression being the key word
[22:16] <macavity> they are.. but you didnt ask how big the .iso was
[22:16] <thrice`> Neo_The_User: he was saying that an installation is about 4 gigs.  the ISO itself, used to install, is closer to..2?
[22:16] <Urchlay> eh, close to 4, but that includes the sources
[22:16] <macavity> thrice`: without the source it is 1.7GB for slackware32.. havent checked for 64
[22:16] <thrice`> ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/ISO-images/slackware/Current-ISO-build/slackware64-current-21_Jul_2009-DVD.iso , for example, is 1.7GB
[22:16] <gnubien> antiwire: denatured: caused by the high temperature of the cooking process. high temp cooking using gas fired stove does not make food taste rubbery
[22:17] <macavity> ah.. trumphed by thrice` :P
[22:17] <macavity> 1:1
[22:17] <twolf> mine without sources and a few others is about 1.7GB
[22:17] <macavity> anyhows.. time to switch location
[22:17] <macavity> bbiab
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[22:19] <Neo_The_User> twolf: because your god
[22:20] <twolf> Neo_The_User: I was refering to my dvd of -current
[22:20] <Neo_The_User> i know
[22:21] <RipVanWinkle> an ideal oven/stove combo would be an electric oven and gas stovetop, electric oven for temp accuracy and gas stovetop for instant heat for frying & grilling
[22:21] <twolf> I am a mere mortal
[22:21] <Neo_The_User> mortal?
[22:21] <twolf> RipVanWinkle: indeed
[22:22] <twolf> Neo_The_User: non-god
[22:22] <Neo_The_User> twolf: then you are a king
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[22:22] <twolf> lol
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[22:32] <_guitarman_> if I do a new kernel compile and it fails, I fix the fail in make menuconfig, resave it and issue make bzImage modules, will it be ok , or will I have to do some cleaning procedure first?  reason I ask is it seemed to compile in about 1/4 of the time and after all was said and done it just hung and didn't boot
[22:33] <Azrael> _guitarman_, if you're concerned, just do a "make clean" followed by "make bzImage modules"
[22:34] <_guitarman_> Azrael: should it matter though?
[22:34] <_guitarman_> it takes a long time for me to compile my kernel.. about 1/2 the day ;)
[22:34] <dchmelik> why?
[22:34] <thrice`> yikes
[22:34] <Azrael> _guitarman_, ahh
[22:34] <thrice`> it takes about 2 minutes here
[22:35] <Azrael> _guitarman_, it depends on the change you're making
[22:35] <Azrael> _guitarman_, if you're just adding a module... then you should be able to just make modules and be done with it
[22:35] <_guitarman_> hmmm, i removed a realtek network driver that caused the compile to fail last time
[22:35] <thrice`> _guitarman_: what are you compiling on?
[22:35] <_guitarman_> p4 512 mb ram
[22:35] <_guitarman_> 1.8 ghz
[22:35] <_guitarman_> slackware 12.2
[22:35] <Azrael> shouldn't take 12hrs
[22:36] <thrice`> it should take about 10 minutes at most
[22:36] <_guitarman_> compiling 2.6.29.6 kernel with RT patches
[22:36] <Azrael> you got hyperthreading on that p4?
[22:36] <_guitarman_> weird - wonder why it takes so long.
[22:36] <twolf> my 1ghz amd compiles much faster than that
[22:36] <_guitarman_> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[22:36] <_guitarman_> ooops lol
[22:36] <Azrael> try "make -j3 bzImage modules" if you have hyper-threading
[22:36] <Azrael> if no HT, then "make -j2 bzImage modules"
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[22:36] <thrice`> "make -j2 all"  is easiest ;)
[22:36] <Azrael> _guitarman_, how fast is the hard disk?
[22:37] <dchmelik> There used to be an excellent picture of Quan-yin on the 'net by Anne-Marie Smith but now it seems gone
[22:37] <dchmelik> I should post it somewhere
[22:37] <gtl> hey all
[22:37] <dchmelik> I wonder if I can put it on the wiki....
[22:37] <dchmelik> urgen or jnana, would that be alright?
[22:38] <_guitarman_> Azrael: hmm, re hyperthreading - how can I find that out - same for hardisk
[22:38] <dchmelik> sorry, wrong channel
[22:38] <Azrael> _guitarman_, if you have just one p4 in the box but two cpu's show up in /proc/cpuinfo then HT is enabled
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[22:38] <Azrael> _guitarman_, hard disk... smartctl -a /dev/hda or /dev/sda... whichever it is (i'm gonna guess hda)
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[22:39] <Azrael> _guitarman_, then google the model information
[22:39] <Azrael> _guitarman_, may show up in dmesg too; not sure
[22:40] <Azrael> _guitarman_, make sure you're not swapping too... if you're compiling the kernel, but also have kde + firefox + youporn + xine open... with 512mb, may not be enough ;-]
[22:40] <Azrael> _guitarman_, "free -m" for that info
[22:40] <Azrael> brb
[22:41] <eviljames> _guitarman_: hdparm -t
[22:41] <Azrael> that'll give ya speeds
[22:41] <eviljames> _guitarman_: man hdparm - that has a test that you can do to see the hd speeds.
[22:41] <eviljames> -T for the disk cache speed
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[22:41] <_guitarman_> Azrael: thx  - only 1 processor sadly listed.  eviljames: 49.85 MB/sec
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[22:42] <_guitarman_> do u think hyperthreading could be an option in my bios that was turned off for more compatible cpu setting?
[22:42] <Azrael> quite possible
[22:42] <Azrael> lotta p4's have that option
[22:43] <Azrael> you'd have to have SMP support enabled in your kernel too, btw
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[22:43] <_guitarman_> I do have the smp support
[22:43] <eviljames> in the bios or in the kernel
[22:43] <eviljames> could have been disabled, that is.
[22:43] <eviljames> oh, duh, if I had read before typing
[22:44] <_guitarman_> k brb. rebooting.
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[22:51] <Motoko-chan> Anyone familiar with Intel HDA Audio?
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[22:52] <juice> kind of
[22:52] <juice> I have it
[22:52] <juice> it works
[22:52] <juice> lol
[22:53] <antiwire> My laptop uses Intel HDA and it works too
[22:53] <Motoko-chan> I'm trying to find how to use the HDMI out.
[22:53] <Motoko-chan> I see it in the device list
[22:53] <antiwire> Hmm, no HDMI here
[22:53] <Motoko-chan> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 3: INTEL HDMI [INTEL HDMI]
[22:54] <juice> alsamixer?
[22:54] <juice> i also don't have hdmi
[22:55] <Motoko-chan> Hmmm
[22:56] <juice> alsamixer -V ALL
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[22:57] <Motoko-chan> IEC958 maybe?
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[22:57] <juice> yeah
[22:57] <juice> maybe
[22:57] <juice> it's digital out
[22:58] <juice> also try aplay -l
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[22:58] <juice> to list all the devices
[22:58] <juice> and aplay -L
[22:59] <juice> this has more info description wise
[22:59] <antiwire> there's a local LUG meeting in my area this weekend
[22:59] <juice> aplay -D hw:0,0 file.wav
[23:00] <juice> cat /proc/asound/devices and find the hw number to use
[23:00] <juice> and then try to output a file to it
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[23:01] <juice> or you can use the device from aplay -L
[23:01] <juice> aplay -D iec958:CARD=M2496,DEV=0 test.wav
[23:01] <juice> card= whatever you have
[23:02] <juice> from that list
[23:02] <juice> antiwire, cool
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[23:03] <eviljames> antiwire: go spam slackware there.
[23:03] <antiwire> i'm going to
[23:03] <Dominian> oh wonderful
[23:03] <antiwire> I just wish I had a damn shirt
[23:03] <juice> you will be surround by ubuntu and fedora users :P
[23:03] <Dominian> just saw our backyard on the news
[23:03] <antiwire> Dominian: lmao
[23:03] <antiwire> juice: yep, that's actually accurate
[23:03] <Dominian> it looks like.. shit
[23:03] <eviljames> Dominian: headline: 'retarded sheepchild tied up in back yard' ?
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[23:03] <Dominian> nah
[23:03] <antiwire> omfg
[23:04] <juice> antiwire, I know I attend the local lug here
[23:04] <juice> oh I forgot pclinuxos
[23:04] <Dominian> They arrested a neighbor here for molestation
[23:04] <Dominian> just a few doors down
[23:04] <eviljames> ouch!
[23:04] <juice> <Dominian> just saw our backyard on the news,,, I thought that said backdoor
[23:04] <Dominian> oh I could see the backdoor
[23:05] <juice> meh
[23:05] <juice> privacy invasion
[23:05] <antiwire> juice: Luckily, this one has only been running since 4/2009 and I've contacted the group already. They seem nice and when they asked me which distro I use, I told them Slackware and they said good because they all were interested in Slackware
[23:05] <juice> cool
[23:05] <twolf> nice
[23:05] <Dominian> http://urlx.eu/_Mzk4NQ
[23:06] <antiwire> well which games did he own?
[23:06] <antiwire> I want Spore
[23:06] <Dominian> no idea
[23:06] <Dominian> don't really care
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[23:08] <Neo_The_User> this channel is very active
[23:08] <Neo_The_User> is this channel ever dead?
[23:08] <BP{k}> yes.
[23:08] <eviljames> no, nobody here has anything t do.
[23:08] <eviljames> s/t /to /
[23:08] <Neo_The_User> hahaha
[23:08] <BP{k}> between 03:21AM and 03:22 UTC for  10 seconds.
[23:08] <Neo_The_User> what is with the s/ stuff?
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[23:08] <eviljames> Neo_The_User: sed substitutions
[23:09] <eviljames> Neo_The_User: man sed and have your mind blown by inline edits.
[23:09] <Neo_The_User> hahaha
[23:09] <Neo_The_User> your funny
[23:09] <eviljames> s/your/you're/
[23:09] <eviljames> ;)
[23:09] <gabriel_> love is in the air (8)
[23:10] <gabriel_> lol
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[23:10] <antiwire> when a girl says "you're funny" wtf does that mean?
[23:11] <antiwire> you guys just brought up a good topic
[23:11] <twolf> depends
[23:11] <dartmouth> antiwire, that's her cue that she likes you but thinks you dont have the confidence to hit on her and means you should ask her number.
[23:11] <antiwire> I might be way off but I seem to notice that in male to male conversations, what was said is funny, not the other dude. In female to male conversations, people tend to be what is funny.
[23:11] <antiwire> anyone else notice that ever?
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[23:12] <Neo_The_User> antiwire: it means she thinks your silly
[23:12] <gabriel_> if she is nice and you not, she wants a favor :P
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[23:12] <antiwire> that split ruined our thought train
[23:12] <antiwire> let me resend that last one
[23:12] <gtl> hey people
[23:12] <eviljames> antiwire: what dartmouth said was totally true.
[23:12] <antiwire> I might be way off but I seem to notice that in male to male conversations, what was said is funny, not the other dude. In female to male conversations, people tend to be what is funny.
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[23:13] Action: dartmouth actually gets laid lol
[23:13] <antiwire> fucking freenode.
[23:13] <Neo_The_User> i like getting laid
[23:13] <twolf> indeed
[23:13] <eviljames> if a chick says "hey, you're funny" she does really mean that "i'll take you to bed if you get the stones up to ask me."
[23:13] <Neo_The_User> im only 16 though so i dont have that oppurtunity a lot
[23:13] <antiwire> eviljames: really?
[23:13] <antiwire> eviljames: so that's usually not a sign of the friend ladder?
[23:13] <dartmouth> eviljames, but only in the right way and in such a way that it doesn't make her look like a whore.  usually.
[23:14] <eviljames> unless she qualifies "you're funny" with "don't rape me"
[23:14] <antiwire> yeah
[23:14] <eviljames> but really, a sense of humour is the easiest parlay OUT of friendville.
[23:14] <Neo_The_User> when a girl says you're funny, it means you make her laugh
[23:14] <eviljames> sometimes, even when you look as good as I do, you get sent to friendville.
[23:15] <rworkman> ++  :)
[23:15] <antiwire> eviljames: I was recently told that same thing by a girl. she said that very good looking guys are automagically assumed to be "too good for me"
[23:15] <Neo_The_User> Am I the youngest here? im 16
[23:15] <dartmouth> eviljames, the problem with us is that alot of women place good looking men in the 'possibly gay but not sure' category, especially if they have any brains.  you have to screw up right off the bat with male dumbassery and then subtly stop screwing up that way without making it a noticable thing so that she thinks she was wrong.
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[23:15] <rworkman> That's where the sense of humor comes in - make them comfortable around you.
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[23:16] <twolf> and always remeber that fat girls need lovin' too
[23:16] <macavity> rworkman: do you have a moment?
[23:16] <dartmouth> oh screw that.  they dont want to be comfortable around you.  they want to be excited by you.
[23:16] <BP{k}> twolf: and a firm hand to their backside?
[23:16] <eviljames> dartmouth: no woman has ever thought I was gay.  I've been called a redneck, but never gay.
[23:16] <rworkman> macavity: I dod.
[23:16] <rworkman> er, did.
[23:16] Action: nachox dods too
[23:16] <rworkman> haha
[23:16] <twolf> BP{k}: exactly
[23:16] Action: dartmouth returns to the land of nod
[23:16] <macavity> did or do?
[23:17] <rworkman> Do.  Damn.
[23:17] <rworkman> Well, I did, but it's gone now.  ;-)
[23:17] <macavity> bah :P
[23:17] <eviljames> antiwire: being called funny is encouraging, take her out to dinner and act like you aren't really interesting.  mixed messages drive girls crazy.
[23:17] Action: nachox looks at rworkman, you're not the english teacher, right? :P
[23:17] <_guitarman_> thx Azrael, eviljames, thrice.  although I had no hyperthreading option, I did find a prefetch for the hard disk , and got my realtime kernel going now - thanks very much! :)
[23:17] <macavity> the sorth version: current xorg situation is broken for, by my count, at least 5 people in here.. the pixman downgrade did not fix this
[23:17] <rworkman> Seriously, what's up?  Besides Intel+Xorg sucage.
[23:17] <eviljames> _guitarman_: don't thank us, you did the hard work :D
[23:18] <Azrael> _guitarman_, nice.  what was the fix for the hard disk?
[23:18] <juice> rworkman, tested out 3.0.2 yet?
[23:18] <rworkman> juice: yeah, it works fine here.
[23:18] <macavity> FIX: Mesa-7.5, libdrm-2.4.12 and recompile xorg-server-1.6.2 against that
[23:18] <juice> cool
[23:18] <rworkman> macavity: mesa-7.5 is out of the question for mainline.
[23:18] <_guitarman_> bios had the prefetch... not sure why my kernel compile took so long before.  no hyperthreading on my p4 sadly.
[23:18] <macavity> then intel-2.7.1 works again with both EXA and UXA
[23:18] <juice> Motoko-chan, figure it out?
[23:18] <rworkman> Well, I think it is anyway.
[23:19] <Azrael> _guitarman_, hmm prefetch?
[23:19] <macavity> rworkman: then the only combo that i can find that works is downgrading to 1.6.1 :-/
[23:19] <Azrael> _guitarman_, ahh for IDE controller?
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[23:20] <rworkman> bah
[23:21] <Azrael> humbug
[23:21] <_guitarman_> Azrael: yeah... but I really don't think any of that had much to do with my compile.  Oddly enough after my quick compile I copied appropriate image files etc over to /boot and it worked
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[23:21] <rworkman> macavity: does the xserver *have* to be recompiled against mesa-7.5??
[23:21] <Azrael> _guitarman_, nice
[23:21] <macavity> rworkman: yep
[23:21] <rworkman> Geez.
[23:21] <macavity> rworkman: ask thrice` too..
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[23:22] <gtl> i'm having a configure error when trying to compile kdebluetooth's slackbuild
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[23:22] <macavity> rworkman: i have been testing combinations like all hell... and i have so far only come up with those two routes.. no other upgrade/downgrade/patch i have tried does *squat*
[23:22] <_guitarman_> Azrael: yeah- it seems to have improved my latency using jack for audio work
[23:22] <gtl> it says "in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE libraries installed. This will fail. So, check this please and use another prefix!"
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[23:24] <gtl> any thoughts as to how I may solve this?
[23:24] <_guitarman_> Azrael: eviljames: thanks muchly - my latency using jack and ardour is now 1/2 what it was
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[23:24] <_guitarman_> u rock my world
[23:24] <macavity> rworkman: with the proposed version i can run EXA (the default) and composite.. it is slow, but it doesnt crap out, or set AccelMethod to UXA in xorg.conf and everything works.. in either case no vblank errors or outstanding xorg WW messages
[23:24] <_guitarman_> biab
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[23:25] <macavity> rworkman: would it be beneficial to dump a Mesa-7.5 based stack in testing/ and add a readme to give feedback both if it works and if it doesnt?
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[23:27] <macavity> rworkman: add "... subject must start with [XORG TESTING] or it will go to /dev/null" to the readme, so patrick can filter the mails out ;-)
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[23:29] <macavity> rworkman: oh, having any hopes of getting intel-2.8 into 13 is a nogo, at least without either a *serious* load of backporting/shoehorning or a kernel upgrade :-/
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[23:30] <Neo_The_User> is slackware a secure linux distro?
[23:31] <macavity> Neo_The_User: define secure?
[23:31] <gtl> Neo_The_User, it sure isn't user-with-root-password-proof! =)
[23:31] <Neo_The_User> like.. does it come with ssh allowing all IPs
[23:32] <macavity> you are supposed to configure sshd before you start it...
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[23:32] <jeev> ok doods i dont do this stuff
[23:32] <jeev> my server is up and running (the one i'm dedicating to VM's)
[23:32] <jeev> i want to startx but it's far away obviously ;)
[23:32] <jeev> do i need to start a vnc or what
[23:33] <Urchlay> Neo_The_User: no, it reads your mind and automagically allows only the IPs you want. Also, it predicts the future and figures out IP addresses for people you're going to need to allow next year, but haven't met yet
[23:33] <macavity> lol
[23:34] <Neo_The_User> HAHAHAA!
[23:34] <Neo_The_User> DUDE THATS HILARIOUS
[23:34] <Urchlay> Neo_The_User: the #1 thing wrong with your original question: "security" is not an on-or-off thing. "is it secure?" isn't a good question really
[23:34] <twolf> predicting the future is cool
[23:35] <Neo_The_User> well like
[23:35] <Neo_The_User> DVL is NOT secure
[23:35] <Neo_The_User> right off that bat, thats FO SHO
[23:35] <Urchlay> (sorry, don't mean to sound harsh)
[23:35] <jeev> eh
[23:35] <Neo_The_User> ur not
[23:35] <jeev> no suggestions eh
[23:36] <macavity> jeev: ssh with X forwarding?
[23:36] <jeev> i understand but like
[23:36] <jeev> do i need to set it up with a vnc or what
[23:36] <macavity> what?
[23:37] <jeev> if i want to connect to X on the server
[23:37] <Urchlay> jeev: what are you trying to accomplish?
[23:37] <jeev> get into gui, i awnt to try virtmanager
[23:37] <jeev> virt-manager or some shit
[23:37] <jeev> i just want to VNC into the system
[23:37] <jeev> i remember i did this like 3 motnhs ago ;) forgot
[23:37] <rworkman> macavity: well, here locally, mesa-7.5 is fine, best I can tell.  I haven't rebuilt anything against it though
[23:37] <jeev> sup rworkman
[23:38] <antiwire> I really wish I I could have seen what happens when you put a Richard Feynman into the same room as a Carl Sagan
[23:38] <Urchlay> easiest thing: ssh with X forwarding. On your client machine, you startx as usual, ssh to the server. On the server, in the ssh session, you run "virt-manager" or whatever. If all is set up correctly, you get the virt-manager window on your client's X desktop, but it's actually running on the server
[23:38] <rworkman> jeev: la
[23:38] <jeev> la la la ?
[23:38] <rworkman> er. ola
[23:39] <jeev> Urchlay, doesn't matter if i'm on winblows? :)
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[23:39] <Urchlay> jeev: to further confuse you: the "client" in the sentence above is the X server, and the "server" is acting as an X client (this might matter when you're RTFM'ing)
[23:39] <jeev> i remember i was using a vnc server
[23:39] <jeev> freak i forgot what i was doing
[23:39] <Urchlay> jeev: oh, you didn't say that part. Yeah, VNC is probably easier to set up.
[23:39] <jeev> you have a suggestion?
[23:39] <jeev> which one
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[23:39] <antiwire> tight or real vnc are fine
[23:40] <antiwire> insert security warning here
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[23:40] <Urchlay> if you're really paranoid, run VNC over a VPN, or over an ssh tunnel
[23:40] <antiwire> that's what I do, I just tunnel vnc through sshd
[23:40] <macavity> rworkman: i have only head nice things about 7.5 so far.. whereas 7.4.x seems to have caused headaches for a lot of people
[23:40] <jeev> i could do openvpn i guess
[23:40] <jeev> but i wouldnt' want to default gateway to the server
[23:40] <jeev> just that ip
[23:41] <Urchlay> jeev: that should be possible. Have to learn to use openvpn to find out how (I don't know so I can't even begin to tell you)
[23:41] <jeev> oh i know already
[23:41] <rworkman> macavity: maybe, but it's just too late to go bumping mesa :/
[23:41] <jeev> i've been doing openvpn for a while
[23:41] <macavity> rworkman: here it has *seriously* fixed a lot of vblank/vsync errors, improved performance on both video and composite
[23:42] <jeev> ok lets see how i did this
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[23:42] <macavity> rworkman: but allas.. xorg-server needs to be recompiled agianst it to fix the broken DRI2v1 API causing front buffer rendering to fail
[23:42] <jeev> but vnc sucks ;)
[23:42] <rworkman> macavity: and the other concern is: intel stuff may very well work better after all that, but what about everyone else's hardware?
[23:42] <antiwire> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjHJ7FmV0M4&feature=related
[23:42] <jeev> antiwire, gimme
[23:43] <macavity> rworkman: only one way to find out: testing/
[23:43] <rworkman> Yeah :/
[23:43] <macavity> and a README to provide feedback
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[23:44] <macavity> we are a good sturdy bunch running -current for the very sake of making 13.0 a respectable release
[23:44] <rworkman> If all this had happened a month ago, it wouldn't be such a big deal.  Time marches on, however :/
[23:44] <macavity> so, lets test and repport
[23:45] <macavity> what happened to "When it is Ready(TM)"? ;-)
[23:45] <macavity> or, just bite the bullet and downgrade to 1.6.1
[23:46] <macavity> i think it was a stupid move on their part to do both an ABI break and an API change on a minor release
[23:47] <Neo_The_User> MY DAD JUST UPGRADED OUR CABLE TV STUFF
[23:47] <Neo_The_User> WOOOOOOOOOOOO
[23:47] <Neo_The_User> i got cinemax now
[23:47] <macavity> heck, with 12.0 Pat practically 0dayed the xorg release :P
[23:47] <macavity> so why is Mesa-7.5 so different?
[23:47] <Neo_The_User> mesa 7.5 kicks ass
[23:47] <Neo_The_User> like... imma shoot my head
[23:48] <rworkman> Neo_The_User: less drugs.
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[23:49] <macavity> Neo_The_User: by all means.. go right ahead :P
[23:49] <jeev> ghmm, i used to listen on a local port on my router and then ssh to my server and connect to X
[23:49] <jeev> but it seems i forgot and my google results suck
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[23:49] <jeev> ahh ok nevermind i think
[23:49] <macavity> jeev: ssh -X host
[23:50] <macavity> jeev: log in
[23:50] <macavity> jeev: xterm
[23:50] <macavity> jeev: hack away :P
[23:50] <jeev> i dnot get it
[23:50] <Neo_The_User> i have a question
[23:50] <jeev> the way i'd do it is i'd
[23:50] <jeev> ssh to the server from my local system and then i'd vnc into my local system's ip + the port i set
[23:50] <Neo_The_User> when i place an explosive in my computer, slackware wont boot. any ideas?
[23:50] <jeev> o
[23:50] <jeev> i'm on wnidows
[23:51] <rworkman> Neo_The_User: yes, light the fuse and sit on the computer.
[23:51] <macavity> putty?
[23:51] <jeev> huh
[23:51] <jeev> i'm making this so difficult
[23:51] <jeev> i hate mself i can never explain shit
[23:51] <macavity> just use putty if you are on windows
[23:51] <rworkman> Even if you live, you'll likely be unable to reproduce.  Win-win situation.
[23:52] <macavity> rworkman: ping thrice` and eviljames for info too.. i know they have been testing out too
[23:52] <Neo_The_User> has anybody tastes feises?
[23:52] <jeev> hm i dont get it but i'll try xterm
[23:52] <macavity> rworkman: and i *belive* antiwire was on the band wagon too
[23:52] <eviljames> yodle?
[23:52] <rworkman> Now, if you'll stop acting like a typical whiny ass high school kid, I'll stop insulting you.
[23:52] <jeev> cant even open the display
[23:52] <jeev> hmm
[23:52] <twolf> Neo_The_User: thankfully we have you
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[23:52] <jeev> ahh found it
[23:52] <macavity> eviljames: did you try Mesa-7.5 + xorg recompile yet?
[23:52] <rworkman> macavity: okey, I'm about to build some local packs and test on my hardware assortment here
[23:52] <antiwire> antiwire is not on the band wagon. antiwire will be wiping his server clean and reinstalling because X/KDE/Intel graphics do not work at all.
[23:52] <Neo_The_User> am i hyper?
[23:53] <antiwire> Neo_The_User: Attention whore is attentioning.
[23:53] <rworkman> hyper what?
[23:53] <gtl> macavity, is it worthy?
[23:53] <chopp> rworkman: any ideas as to why I'm having problems adding another sata drive to my system. I've been trying /dev/disk/by-uuid/ in lilo, but I don't use an initrd which I've discovered is required? http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/8FcxEo16.html
[23:53] <macavity> antiwire: did you try Mesa-7.5 + xorg recompile yet?
[23:53] <antiwire> macavity: no.
[23:53] <eviljames> macavity: on it shortly for both 32 and 64 bit.
[23:53] <macavity> antiwire: *please* do
[23:53] <eviljames> macavity: have been configing a fresh 13rc1 install
[23:53] <jeev> antiwirem are you not seeing my request
[23:53] <Neo_The_User> rworkman: i like it when you insult me
[23:53] <antiwire> I'm done. eviljames said a reformat fixed his shit and I am over testing this bullshit
[23:54] <eviljames> antiwire: definitely wfm.
[23:54] <eviljames> not perfect, but certaily workable.
[23:54] <antiwire> it's broken dude. it's dead, jim.
[23:54] <rworkman> ah, an emo.
[23:54] <twolf> it is nice to have a cold beer after not having one for a couple of weeks
[23:54] <Neo_The_User> dont insult eviljames
[23:54] <eviljames> for an 865 cihp.
[23:54] <rworkman> chopp: hrmmm :/
[23:54] <Neo_The_User> eviljames: you are cool
[23:55] <macavity> antiwire: if i build the packages and email them to you, will you test them out?
[23:55] <_guitarman_> twolf: you can wait a couple of weeks to have abeer... damn, if I skip a day of having 1 beer I get antsy
[23:55] <antiwire> macavity: Honestly, I'm over it.
[23:55] <rworkman> chopp: just a sec; let me get some building kicked of here
[23:56] <macavity> antiwire: if we dont find a working solution we will end up with a broken 13 release...
[23:56] <antiwire> I've recompiled so much crap over the last 3 weeks I am sick of it. I'm not good enough to be able to code fixes or help so I ma just bashing my head on it and loving the pain.
[23:56] <chopp> rworkman: say what? :P
[23:56] <eviljames> thre can't be a broken 13 release - because it can't be released until it's ready.
[23:56] <eviljames> good god I'm a tardonaut.  rsync --exclude=source? wtf
[23:56] <antiwire> For now, the VESA driver seems to be working to get a basic KDE/X running
[23:57] <eviljames> macavity: so intel 2.8 is not necessary?
[23:57] <twolf> _guitarman_: I was so busy I never got around to getting any beer, but I got some today abd have enjoyed a couple tonight, man it tastes good
[23:57] <macavity> eviljames: nope
[23:57] <eviljames> macavity: excellent.  tested for both slackware & 64?
[23:58] <macavity> eviljames: i can get intel-2.7.1 to work
[23:58] <_guitarman_> twolf: cheers then :)
[23:58] <rworkman> chopp: have you tried the by-id link maybe?
[23:58] <macavity> eviljames: i dont have a 64 here
[23:58] <eviljames> k, my lappy is.  My 64 desktop sploded and is in the shop.
[23:58] <macavity> eviljames: pester thrice` for the Mesa .SlackBuild
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[23:58] <eviljames> macavity: already did & have it.
[23:59] <chopp> rworkman: I have not, but I'll give it a go
[23:59] <macavity> eviljames: and do as follows: build and install Mesa. Use Patricks build script to rebuild xorg-server, but change it to point to /tmp/Mesa-7.5 (that you presumably still have around), recompile xf86-video-intel-2.7.1 against that
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