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[00:48] heya XGates [00:49] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-31-251.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:49] figabo (~MacOSX@201.164.180.242) joined ##slackware. [00:50] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-31-251.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:50] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:51] hey MLanden [00:52] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:52] boy I made a doosy last night in the wee hours, NEVER install Slack late at AM I put in 13.1 for cd1 and 13.0 for cd2 LOL [00:52] I thought I had the right cd2 [00:52] lmao [00:53] sheesh .35 rc6 now [00:53] shell-fu (~shell-fu@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:53] can't wait for the final [00:55] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.233.214) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:57] Emeau (emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-110-22.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[01:06] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.72) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:07] joeyt (~joeyt@cpe-76-186-172-61.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:08] joeyt (~joeyt@cpe-76-186-172-61.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:08] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@189-041-166-119.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:09] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:10] If anybody uses a synaptics touchpad, does your synclient work? [01:10] I do, for example, "synclient TouchpadOff=1" but touchpad stays on [01:10] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.72) joined ##slackware. [01:11] ROKO__ (~ROKO__@2001:470:1f0b:655::10) joined ##slackware. [01:11] my touchpad is immortal as well, rirombo [01:11] hey MLanden if I have something that goes into /usr/share/mime and /usr/share/applicaitons then it's good I use these cmds in doinst.sh? [01:11] ---> http://pastebin.com/pq9svsau [01:11] or anyone elese for that matter.... [01:11] shonudo: Figures. Thank you :) [01:12] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:12] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:13] Xgates: yeah..it's should be good [01:14] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [01:14] Jennifur (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: IRC is just multiplayer notepad [01:15] chris_scummette (~chris_scu@ABordeaux-551-1-63-4.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:15] Khratos (~jespinal@66.128.60.148) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:15] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:15] ok [01:15] Khratos (~jespinal@66.128.60.148) joined ##slackware. [01:16] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. 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[02:08] LOL ----> /usr/share/mime/application ---> x-nintendo-ds-rom.xml [02:09] I wonder how many people know that's there and the question is what's it doing there LOL [02:10] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [02:11] since a lot of linux gamers look for the rom's for nintendo (among others), probably not many :) [02:11] Nick change: bikcmp -> not [02:11] it's not on mine... [02:11] hehe surprised to see this [02:11] how come i don't get a nintendo? [02:12] shonudo: did you do a full install of kde? [02:12] Xgates, what sent you looking for that in the first place? [02:12] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [02:12] because it's on mine [02:12] and I don't normally do nintendo [02:12] alisonken1lap, yeah -- mines a full install of kde [02:12] but i'm running 12.0 [02:13] maybe it's changed [02:13] probably added after the kde4 updgrade [02:13] are you running current or 13.1... [02:13] nevermind [02:13] yeah, you are [02:13] :) [02:14] hello. [02:14] hello buzzin [02:14] has anyone used the app, Cooliris ? [02:14] :0 [02:14] i just installed on chrome plus [02:15] wicked [02:16] it's also available on your mobile device [02:17] pseudonymous (~pseudonym@2708ds2-suoe.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [02:18] ? what is different from the, current & 13.1 releases [02:18] buzzin: http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 [02:18] asarch (~asarch@189.188.148.93) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:18] one thing was a major kde4 upgrade [02:19] kde 4.4 ? [02:19] 4.4.5 [02:19] Nick change: not -> bikcmp [02:19] i don't use kde, is that the only difference [02:19] kde/kdebase-4.4.5-i486-1.txz: Upgraded. [02:19] read the changelog [02:19] link above [02:20] thanks [02:23] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-62-204.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:23] interesting, where do you dl the current package [02:23] go to a mirror and download the -current tree [02:24] easy fast, buzzin: http://slackware.osuosl.org/ [02:24] and it's not really a package - slackware-current is the testing branch [02:24] in a slackbuild how can I take this ----> http://pastebin.ca/1906582 and make it into one 'rm' cmd to remove all those files? [02:24] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware is where I usually go [02:24] ezi slackers. [02:25] yeah i useally use the torrents [02:25] Xgates: rm takes multiple arguments - so you could "cd usr/share/mime/ && rm .... 2>/dev/null" [02:26] or - if you want to stay in the base package dir - use $( cd usr/share/mime ; rm ...... 2>/dev/null ) [02:26] I only want to remove those files [02:27] hmm still not sure how to write it [02:27] um [02:27] rm /path/to/file1 /path/to/file2 [02:28] xgates, wouldn't it be easier to just rm one-by-one? [02:28] it's not a lot of stuff [02:28] again - rm takes multiple arguments - to spell it out below the "cd $PKG" change the multiple lines to "$( cd usr/share/mime ; rm XMLNmaespaces aliases generic-icons globs globs2 icons magic mime.cache subclasses treemagic types 2>/dev/null) " [02:30] (minus quotes) [02:31] so like this? [02:31] http://pastebin.ca/1906584 [02:31] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:32] that should work [02:32] shonudo: well I am removing one by one at the moment, just doesn't seem as clean a way to do it [02:32] should work? LOL [02:32] how bout that WILL work :) [02:33] as my old unix instructor used to say "Theory has it ... " :) [02:33] it's the way I've done it before [02:33] Xgates, just try the script [02:33] worth the effort [02:33] if you use rm -f then you don't need 2>/dev/null [02:33] ahhh [02:33] so then: [02:34] $(cd usr/share/mime ; rm -f XMLNmaespaces aliases generic-icons globs globs2 icons magic mime.cache subclasses treemagic types ) [02:34] yep [02:34] yep [02:34] any difference between using -f or the null? [02:34] pros cons? [02:34] well -f = force [02:34] yeah I know [02:34] read man rm [02:35] I just don't know why you have to force them though is all [02:35] no real difference other than 2>/dev/null is rm agnostic [02:35] agnostic? [02:35] it's just tidier than redirecting output (and easier to type) [02:35] Xgates: in case something changes, it's a way to make sure that the script doesn't die if the file just happens to not be there [02:35] ok yeah don't like redir stuff if don't have to [02:36] ahh [02:36] especially if you have 'set -e' in it [02:37] I have set e in it [02:39] then you either need to use rm -f or '|| true' at the end of the statement in case a file isn't found, or it will exit the script [02:40] zux1wrk (~zux@80.81.42.4) joined ##slackware. [02:40] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-117.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:41] asteroid (~asteroid@63.89.206-77.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [02:41] asteroid (~asteroid@63.89.206-77.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Changing host [02:41] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [02:45] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-70-18-157-112.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:45] Xgates, basically with rm -f the return code will be 0 even though a file isn;t found [02:45] thus bash will not exit the script [02:45] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:46] hmm odd it removed everything except the first file; XMLNmaespaces [02:46] WARNING: zero length file usr/share/mime/XMLnamespaces [02:46] I see it [02:46] :( [02:46] shouldn't that be XMLNamaespaces [02:46] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-420255.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:46] er XMLNamespaces [02:47] heh [02:47] XMLnamespaces [02:47] typo in my typo :P [02:47] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:48] ahhh I copied what you gave me [02:48] LOL [02:48] Action: Xgates changes [02:48] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:49] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: Quit: .. [02:50] I have this to gunzip man: [02:50] find $PKG/usr/share/man -type f -exec gzip -9 {} \; [02:50] for i in $(find $PKG/usr/man -type l) ; do ln -s $(readlink $i).gz $i.gz ; rm $i ; done [02:50] then when it's done building I get this: [02:50] WARNING: /usr/share/man (with possibly not gzipped man pages) detected [02:50] well not sure why it gave me that warning when it's ok [02:51] Odd question: are there any inherent problems with viewing UTF-8 or Big5 encoding over telnet? [02:51] ----> usr/share/man/man1/lottanzb.1.gz [02:51] right so you need to either set mandir to /usr/man or do something like 'mv $PKG/usr/share/man $PKG/usr/man' [02:51] ahh [02:52] Xgates, proper man dir for slackware is /usr/man not /usr/share/man [02:52] I always though the proper dir was /usr/man too but then why does Slack have /usr/share/man also? [02:53] because many apps think that's the proper location [02:53] ls -l /usr/share/man [02:53] :) [02:53] it's a symlink to /usr/man [02:53] it's a symlink [02:53] what rworkman said :) [02:53] ahh ok [02:55] so I add it like this in the slackbuild? ---> mv $PKG/usr/share/man $PKG/usr/man [02:55] yes, before the gzipping line [02:55] well so you can see it better :) [02:55] --> mv $PKG/usr/share/man $PKG/usr/man [02:55] I've been thinking about hte possibility of resigning from the Slackware team and abandoning my LQ and IRC accounts. Chris Punches has almost convinced me that giving support backed by knowledge of what is supported, even if there's occasional bad attitude with it, is not acceptable. Clearly incompetent but nice support is better. [02:55] ok thanks [02:55] rworkman: By the way, not to be overly cheesy or anything, but thanks for all the work you've put into Slackware. I'm new to Slack, but I see your name pop up everywhere. [02:55] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:55] HAHA, great timing. [02:56] Yes, yes it is, as I didn't read your message before pressing Enter on mine.. :P [02:56] ahhh didn't know you were on the slackware team [02:56] Shuren (~Devilman@host254-43-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:56] rirombo: thanks (seriously). My previous message was heavy in sarcasm. [02:57] rworkman, good one :) [02:57] I think "Chris Punches" should have been the giveaway :) [02:57] even if the last sentence wasn't [02:57] rworkman: I second that - good one ;) [02:57] :) [02:58] that's right up there with the Sahara Forest story [02:58] Xgates, do you have --mandir=/usr/man in your ./configure options? [02:58] WoOt ---> Slackware package /tmp/lottanzb-0.5.4-i486-1_sar.tgz created. [02:58] Action: Xgates checks the pack over [02:58] dive it's a python script [02:58] ah [02:59] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [02:59] there is an option somewhere for python (goes to lok) [02:59] ahh no worries that cmd in the slackbuild is fine [02:59] rwokman is the best [02:59] http://slackbuilds.org/templates/ [02:59] better if someone wants to use it too [02:59] Xgates: seen that? ^ [02:59] Xgates, didn't find it anyway [03:00] well I'm using this from another python slackbuild is all [03:00] and changed it just slighlty [03:00] it works [03:00] Action: Xgates checks the pack [03:01] Xgates, yes the python template for sbo uses python-$PRGNAM for that package name/build script [03:01] if you intend to submit it you should start with that template [03:04] and the second coffee arrives [03:04] what's the approval process for a package? [03:04] WoOT Houston we have a WINNER! :) [03:04] Yeah we now have a LottaNZB Slackpack :) [03:05] if my new psu doesn't turn up today I am gonna be very annoyed. [03:06] shonudo: submit to slackbuilds.org upload and see if they accept it :) [03:07] Ok here's the package contents: [03:07] http://pastebin.com/5rtW1BL7 [03:07] alisonken1lap: i get that part; what i meant was, i see packages that are approved by rworkman, BP{k}, et al. -- do the people approving it have to run it (test it)? [03:08] yes [03:08] i don't know about that part of the process [03:08] thanks, rworkman [03:08] We dont' always try to run the app, but we do test to make sure it builds a package correctly [03:09] rirombo (~rirombo@h113.187.19.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:09] pilipo (~pilipo@203.177.147.86) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:09] Here's what the slackbuild looks like I have: [03:09] http://pastebin.com/yRYP9cwW [03:09] ganeshix (~ele@rrcs-184-74-2-215.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:09] rirombo (~user@h113.187.19.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [03:09] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.94.149) joined ##slackware. [03:10] Xgates, does the doinst.sh update desktop and icons database? [03:10] check it out guys from what I see it's your typical python slackbuild [03:10] Looks good with two possible issues: [03:10] 1) move the /usr/share/mime stuff to happen right after "python setup.py install --root=$PKG" [03:10] dive: http://pastebin.com/u4QuCTXu [03:10] 2) why do you need to do that anyway? [03:11] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.94.149) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:11] that python script this developer makes drops a bunch of files into /usr/share/mime that will over write the ones there and isn't needed [03:12] Find where it runs "update-mime-database" and remove that. [03:12] the only one needed is the /usr/share/mime/packages/*.xml, followed by a mime-database-update [03:12] all those I deleted a bunch of them were just empty and the ones that mime uses will update the info into the files with a mime update [03:12] Xgates, look at the end of this: http://slackbuilds.org/templates/doinst.sh [03:12] Xgates, you need that for icon [03:13] s [03:13] Xgates: right, I understand the reason for it (I didn't ask it right); I'm just curious if you could avoid placing those files completely [03:13] dive: that doinst.sh I took off Slackbuilds.com [03:13] there's a slackbuilds.com ? [03:13] If the package puts icons in /usr/share/icons/* then you need the icon cache updating [03:13] alisonken1lap: yes, it's a redirect to .org though [03:13] :) [03:14] rworkman: well I was just trying to make it in the build so you don't have to go around everytime and hack the src [03:14] rworkman: ok - forgot the :) [03:14] Xgates: okay, that's fair. Note that as a comment, move that line, and it looks good. [03:15] what I should update the icon cache too? [03:15] --> /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache usr/share/icons/hicolor >/dev/null 2>&1 [03:15] alisonken1lap: btw, I'm logged into your box right now to get to cardinal (routing issue from connie won't let me get there from her) [03:15] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. [03:15] rworkman: np - that's why you have an account there [03:15] Xgates: if there are icons in there, yes [03:15] alisonken1lap: thanks :) [03:15] ok yeah there are [03:16] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-117.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:16] Xgates, read the bottom section of the doinst.sh I posted :) [03:17] I did :) [03:17] ok :) [03:18] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-10-159.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [03:18] dive: I have this now --> http://pastebin.com/z1NffU2h [03:18] looks good [03:19] wait did rworkman and alisonken1lap say I don't need this? [03:19] if [ -x /usr/bin/update-mime-database ]; then [03:19] /usr/bin/update-mime-database usr/share/mime >/dev/null 2>&1 [03:20] or keep that to update mime? [03:20] Xgates: find the part where the >python install< calls that, remove it from the python update, then add it to your script [03:20] that way you don't have to go through the rm process of removing what python puts in the package [03:22] yeah but this is suppose to be a slackbuild to that you don't have to always go through and hack the src, others can use the build or new updates, etc... [03:22] that's why I put it in the slackbuild to simplify it [03:22] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:23] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:23] henry` (~henry`@c-69-141-185-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:24] rworkman: ok here's what I have now: [03:24] http://pastebin.com/UqzLYJ7k [03:24] the question then would be is it in the pythyon setup.py script that the update-mime-database is called? if so, make a note in the slackbuild about why you remove the files and recall update-mime-database [03:24] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-70-18-157-112.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:25] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-73-182.w90-58.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:25] Xgates: what are you leaving in /usr/share/mime ? Just ./packages/ ? [03:25] ok - looks like it's in the python setup.py that the mime database is updated [03:26] rworkman: here's the contents: http://pastebin.com/5rtW1BL7 [03:26] ahhh [03:27] Change all that to "rm -f $PKG/usr/share/mime/* 2>/dev/null || true [03:27] Or fix setup.py :) [03:27] how do i register my account with freenode? [03:27] I'm not removing the entire contents [03:27] Xgates: you're leaving two dirs, which will be ignored by rm -f :) [03:27] shell-fu, /msg nickserv help register [03:27] rworkman: won't that mess the lottanzb.xml in packages? [03:27] it has: [03:28] sr/share/mime/packages/ [03:28] sr/share/mime/applications [03:28] usr/ [03:28] and the desktop file [03:28] alisonken1lap: nope, and the desktop fiel isn't in /usr/share/mime [03:28] ah [03:28] oh yeah cause it's not rm -rf :) [03:28] That line I pasted will remove all *files* (not dirs) in /usr/share/mime [03:29] ok ic [03:29] You could do it more cleanly with a find(1) and -maxdepth argument, but oh well. [03:29] ah - I'm used to seeing rm -rf [03:29] hey that's nice enough :) [03:30] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-150-119.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:30] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Colony_of_aptenodytes_patagonicus.jpg [03:30] this is nice [03:30] alisonken1lap: what you downloaded the src and had a look at it? [03:30] Xgates: I've played with python's setup.py before [03:30] so do I remove the mime update in doinst? [03:30] but it's been a while [03:30] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) joined ##slackware. [03:30] well let me look at it [03:30] Xgates: no - you need that to update the database after the package is installed [03:31] ok [03:31] arenics (1000@unaffiliated/arenics) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:32] ok rworkman here's the slackbuild now: [03:32] http://pastebin.com/fUWVwjUV [03:32] btw THANKS guys :) [03:34] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.45.9) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:34] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:36] usus12jari (~ashe@125.166.169.184) joined ##slackware. [03:36] v4nelle (~van@78-99-105.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:38] Xgates, looks ok but you don't need cd $PKG line 42 [03:38] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@189-041-166-119.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [03:38] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:39] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.94.149) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [03:40] archcezar (1000@bis160.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:42] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.146) joined ##slackware. [03:42] archcezar (1000@abso75.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [03:43] Axius (~hi@92.84.21.242) joined ##slackware. [03:44] dive: ahh ok [03:44] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:44] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:45] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [03:45] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [03:45] well kiddies since you've all bee nice to Uncle Xgates, the least I could do is give you some eye candy of Uncle Xgates OpenBox :) [03:45] http://img132.imageshack.us/f/mybox.png/ [03:46] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [03:47] looking good [03:47] what's that date/time font? [03:48] I've seen that font before [03:48] forget the name, though [03:48] virtual compilation does not go ahead, saying it needs iasl... what package can i find it in slackbuilds? [03:48] *virtualbox compilation [03:49] Night Sky [03:49] thanks [03:49] rirombo (~user@h113.187.19.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) [03:49] njathan: have you read the README? [03:49] I worked like a mad man on my conky well of course with the help of people [03:50] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [03:50] njathan: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/system/virtualbox-ose/ <-- "This requires ..." [03:50] I'm running a script and running two conky files [03:50] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [03:51] ah yes! thanks rworkman, pprkut [03:51] Xgates: cool tune....like The Killing Moon as well [03:52] hehe Echo ROCKS :) [03:53] WoOT it's done kiddies ----> lottanzb-0.5.4-i486-1_sar.tgz [03:53] Usenet time baby [03:53] time for a movie now :) [03:53] I listened to Echo back in the 80s when they were really big [03:54] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-73-182.w90-58.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:54] hey question I backed up my slackpacks on a usb drive that's ntfs I'm going to have to get a usb drive I make into ext4 so I don't have to keep messing with perms when I take the backups off and put them on my box [03:55] but with slackpacks from what I see the only perms changes on the tar of course the contents are all ok, but can it at times be a problem? [03:55] the contents perms should be safe [03:55] I mean it should be fine to run installpkg from the usb ntfs partition? [03:56] yes, it should be safe [03:56] should be ok [03:56] I hate seeing that should, like sorta kinda maybe [03:56] LOL [03:56] Xgates: the tar file itself has no relation to the perms of the files inside the tar file [03:56] Xgates, everything will be fine :) [03:56] yeah from what I learned the contents are going to be fine [03:56] Xgates, i do it sometimes and never be a problem [03:57] ok [03:59] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [04:00] Ok kiddies here they are, eveything you need for lottaNZB: [04:00] root@slackware:/media/ST-NTFS/Slack/Pkgs/Net/Usenet# ls [04:00] hellanzb-0.13-i486-1_sar.tgz lottanzb-0.5.4-i486-1_sar.tgz pyOpenSSL-0.10-i486-1_SBo.tgz python-twisted-1.3.0-i486-1_SBo.tgz [04:00] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host81-159-12-241.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:00] kiwi-1.9.26-i486-1_SBo.tgz par2cmdline-0.4-i486-1_SBo.tgz pygtk-2.16.0-i486-1_sar.tgz zope.interface-3.5.0-i486-1_SBo.tgz [04:01] oh forgot Slack has pygtk I have to rm that now! ;p [04:01] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host81-159-254-193.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [04:02] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430064.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:02] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:03] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-198.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [04:04] Axius (~hi@92.84.21.242) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:04] forgot one LOL ---> unrar-3.9.7-i486-1_SBo.tgz [04:05] now that's it :) [04:05] I love those auto NZB apps [04:05] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:05] unrar is a requirement for usenet? [04:05] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.118.5) joined ##slackware. [04:09] no for lottanzb if you want it to unrar for you automatically [04:09] no - for lottanzb is my guess [04:09] Alt_of_Ctrl (~Inacio@a85-139-195-70.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:10] rirombo (~user@h113.187.19.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [04:10] dive: I got this on the install: install/doinst.sh: line 14: syntax error: unexpected end of file [04:10] this is the file: http://pastebin.com/grh3pTnG [04:11] in vbox, I can't make a raid configuration with 3 VIRTUAL HDDs. When creating a MD device, it won't let me select any of the partitions on the 3 Virtual HDDs. anyone solution???? [04:11] what I need another 'fi' on the end? [04:12] Xgates, yeah you're missing a fi [04:12] ok thanks [04:12] fi fy fo fumm what a bum [04:12] LOL [04:12] between lines 11 and 12 [04:13] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:14] ok now? --- http://pastebin.com/aCsZ2nJz [04:14] Alt_of_Ctrl (~Inacio@a85-139-195-70.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [04:15] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) joined ##slackware. [04:15] that'll do [04:16] the indent isn't quite right :P [04:16] you could "if [ -e usr/share/icons/hicolor/icon-theme.cache ] && [ -x /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache ]; then" [04:16] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:16] what keep all the fi to the far left? [04:17] spiraliz (~spiraliz@90.149.153.177) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [04:17] this now? ---> http://pastebin.com/UJMX3urq [04:17] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.146) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:17] Shuren (~Devilman@host254-43-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [04:17] whats wrong with Xgates's? [04:17] sukaeto (~sukaeto@host75-54.student.udel.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [04:18] Xgates: yeah...live up that one @12 with the one @10 [04:18] jgor (~jgor@loki.indiecom.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [04:18] vankoo` (~van@87.120.157.27) joined ##slackware. [04:18] Xgates: spaces :) [04:18] MLanden: huh? [04:18] Xgates, http://pastebin.com/xSiC46yx [04:18] Shuren (~Devilman@host254-43-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:18] Ansa89: only need to check if the executable is there [04:18] sukaeto (~sukaeto@host75-54.student.udel.edu) joined ##slackware. [04:18] jgor (~jgor@loki.indiecom.org) joined ##slackware. [04:19] cmk_zzz (~martink@222-155-223-160.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:19] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:19] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [04:20] thanks dive [04:20] figabo (~MacOSX@201.164.180.242) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [04:20] hi all [04:21] Morn [04:21] y0 [04:21] heya [04:22] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:22] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:22] hi [04:25] ganeshix_ (~chatzilla@rrcs-184-74-2-215.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:25] ganeshix_ (~chatzilla@rrcs-184-74-2-215.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [04:27] hey dive do you have --- /usr/share/mime/icons ?? [04:28] I thought that file is suppose to have a list of icons registered in there [04:29] soapy_j (~netman@host217-46-151-109.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [04:29] I have it, but it's emtpy [04:29] empty [04:30] same here. [04:30] ok mine too thanks [04:30] wasn't sure if it's suppose to be ;p [04:32] one other thing why the heck is there ---> X11R6.bak? [04:32] what's that backed up for? hmm odd [04:33] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [04:33] Alt_of_Ctrl (~Inacio@a85-139-195-70.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:33] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [04:33] Alt_of_Ctrl (~Inacio@a85-139-195-70.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [04:34] i am installing virtualbox on my recent slack 13.1multilib [04:35] with sbopkg [04:35] \o/ [04:35] but im having a problem [04:37] Xgates: I sent an email to Pat just before he released 13.1 telling him how to fix the .bak problems but it was too late [04:38] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:39] cmk_zzz (~martink@222-155-223-160.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:39] WildWizard: so that's not suppose to be there? [04:39] rm -rf? [04:39] hehe [04:39] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:40] no it's a bug one of the install scripts doesn't do it right (there are 2 scripts involved) [04:41] actually both scripts have bugs [04:42] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:42] aaa_base and x11_skel are the offending ones [04:42] so just leave it alone? [04:42] you can delete the .bak directories if they only have symlinks in them [04:43] you should also have some broken symlinks under /var [04:44] i made a mistake with vbox [04:44] i initially compiled with the webservice option and installed [04:44] I found a bad slackbuild or a doosy of one: [04:44] http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/13.1/network/python-twisted/python-twisted.SlackBuild [04:44] cat $CWD/$PRGNAM.SlackBuild > $PKG/usr/doc/$PRGNAM-$VERSION/$PRGNAM.SlackBuild [04:44] hehe [04:44] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:44] waabimiigwan (~steven@106-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [04:44] cat into /usr/doc ;p [04:44] then i changed my mind and decided to compile it without that option [04:45] Xgates: ? [04:45] soapy_j, i removed the first one (with the kernel module and the addons [04:45] then i installed the new regular vbox mackage and the kernel module and the addons [04:45] and it does not work now [04:45] Zordrak: that URL for a slackbuild has it cat for the slack-desc to /usr/doc :) [04:46] WildWizard: yeah they are syms: [04:46] sar@slackware:/usr/X11R6.bak$ ls [04:46] soapy_j, maybe something from the previous package stayed on the system [04:46] bin@ include@ lib@ libexec@ man@ share@ [04:46] and is messing my current vbox install [04:46] is that possible? [04:46] WildWizard: sorry so you said ok to delete that then? [04:46] just a wild hunch [04:46] maybe a config file somewhere stayed after removing the package... [04:47] and that's causing the problem [04:47] Xgates: yes if the only thing inside the X11R6.bak directory is symlinks then just delete it as it should not have been created (this is from code that is only supposed to run when upgrading) [04:47] Xgates: and? [04:50] WildWizard: ok thanks [04:50] Xgates: What is wrong with that python.twisted Slackbuild? [04:50] Zordrak: it should just be --- cat $CWD/slack-desc > $PKG/install/slack-desc [04:50] don't need to keep a copy of it [04:51] argh you pasted the line after that no wonder why i was confused [04:51] Xgates: 1. you were talking about the slackbuild not slack-iesc. 2. it's common to pput the slackbuild in the docs to show how it was compiled. [04:53] There shouldn't be a general mechanical principle preventing hard drives from being properly operated upside down, correct? [04:53] yeah the .SlackBuild not the slackp-desc :) [04:53] slack-desc.... [04:54] WildWizard: -- cat $CWD/slack-desc > $PKG/usr/doc/$PRGNAM-$VERSION/slack-desc :) [04:55] I've never seen anyone put slack-desc in the /doc hehe [04:55] k. Still, it's no big deal. They can if they want. [04:55] I've seen it there [04:56] joeyt (~joeyt@cpe-76-186-172-61.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:56] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.202) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:57] ok [04:59] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:59] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:00] in a slackbuild for a src pkg that a lot of html files along with man files under the src /man dir what cmd can I use in the slackbuild to remove all the .html? [05:00] I just resent the email about the X11R6.bak and other stuff to Pat hopefully he sees it this time [05:01] rm *.html (just insert the full path) [05:01] find $PKG -name *.html exec rm {} [05:01] I believe [05:01] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [05:01] man find [05:01] I suck with man [05:01] lol [05:01] man don't like me [05:01] man man [05:01] similar to the chmod command in your slackbuild [05:02] but find -name and exec rm [05:02] or rm -f [05:02] just make sure it's _only_ finding the .html files [05:02] so this then? -- find $PKG -name *.html exec rm {} ?? [05:02] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:02] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:03] looks about right [05:03] for a check, use "ls -l {}" first to make sure it's finding the right files [05:05] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:05] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [05:06] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-70-18-157-112.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Later,folks!! [05:06] alisonken1lap, -print works too [05:06] slava_dp: old habits :) I'm used to ls [05:08] that didn't work it comes back saying: [05:08] find: paths must precede expression: exec [05:10] Mowah (~tree@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [05:11] ok $( cd $PKG ; find . -name *.html exec print {} ) [05:12] ok thanks [05:13] ah - forgot the dash in front of exec [05:13] ok $( cd $PKG ; find . -name *.html -exec print {} ) [05:13] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:13] if that works, then change print to rm -f [05:14] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:16] ok --> $( cd $PKG ; find . -name *.html -exec rm -f {} ) [05:16] hey I suck and trying to remember even though I'm looking right at the dang cmds [05:17] for in the build dir like --- /tmp/sar/Twisted-1.3.0 [05:17] make sure your shell doesn't botch that *.html glob for you [05:17] there's a /doc/man path I need to move to $PKG/usr/man [05:18] would that be like this? ---> mv $TMP /doc/man $PKG/usr/man [05:19] trhodes: oh that's the lottanzb pack and it's all done. I just realized python-twisted needed to be done over I'm workign on now [05:19] ok [05:20] you're moving something from your running system to a package build area ? [05:21] Xgates: if your getting a doc/man path check your configure line again [05:21] mv $TMP /doc/man $PKG/usr/man that doesn't work [05:21] Xgates: hope that's not the command, since there's a space between $TMP and /doc/man [05:22] ahhh [05:22] my bad thanks [05:22] mv $TMP /doc/man $PKG/usr/man #means "move what TMP expands to and /doc/man to what $PKG/usr/man expands to [05:22] ok here's what I got: [05:22] root@slackware:/tmp/sar# ls [05:22] Twisted-1.3.0 package-python-twisted [05:22] in Twisted I have /doc/man [05:22] /Twisted-1.3.0/doc/man/ [05:23] so, yeah, alisonken1lap's advice is correct [05:23] need to mv the docs from there to /usr/man [05:23] isn't the Twisted-1.3.0 the ousrce [05:23] source [05:23] yeah the source build dir [05:23] you should already get the man pages installed into the package directory [05:23] Xgates: just remember that those variables are merely macros that get expanded into some other text [05:24] I know but $TMP and $PKG are pretty common amongst all slackbuilds as the same [05:25] the name is the same, the value isn't (necessarily) [05:25] blondais (~agris@mail.biko.lv) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:26] yea [05:30] Srbo (~Srbo@p4FE929F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:31] Srbo (~Srbo@p4FE929F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:31] blondais (~agris@pasts.blondais.lv) joined ##slackware. [05:34] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-73-182.w90-58.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:36] alisonken1lap: I ran it like this: [05:36] $( cd $PKG ; find . -name *.html -exec rm -f {} ) [05:36] getting this msg: find: missing argument to `-exec [05:36] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-10-159.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [05:36] needs a \; most likely [05:36] ahh ok [05:37] shouldn't - the ; is between the cd and find commands [05:37] Xgates: first - change the rm -f to print and see what the output is [05:37] ok [05:37] the missing argument to exec typically means that nothing was found [05:38] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [05:38] alisonken1lap: find's own exec needs a ; [05:38] or a + [05:38] trhodes: ok - that might do it :) [05:38] Srbo (~Srbo@p4FE929F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:39] + builds the argument list before running ala xargs, but isn't as portable afaik [05:39] find . -name *.html -exec rm -f {} ; [05:39] trhodes: I usually use something like "find . -name *.html | xargs ...." [05:39] yeah [05:39] i say \; 'cause the shell doesn't like ";" when it doesn't expect it [05:40] -exec causes a fork for each found file, so the |xargs creates a list [05:40] revel0 (~revel0@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [05:40] find: missing argument to `-exec' [05:40] so put \; [05:40] now you have + instead of needing xargs :P [05:40] yes [05:40] ok [05:40] shell ate that for you [05:41] trhodes: as long as busybox find is compatible with + [05:41] remember, slackbuilds should be designed with ash in mnid [05:41] or busybox in this case [05:41] alisonken1lap: yeah, duno about portability [05:43] for python-twisted should I put the man pages in /usr/man/man1? [05:44] Xgates: depends on the command - some would be man1, others may be man3 - so need to check the man page. normally there's a number in the name to show which man directory it goes in [05:44] ex: lm.1.gz is man (1) for lm - the 1 indicates it's for man1 [05:44] 1 being "user commands" [05:45] they are foo.1 [05:45] so man1 right? [05:45] yep [05:45] and gzip it [05:45] ok thanks [05:45] yepp Big G comin up [05:47] find: missing argument to `-exec' [05:47] python-twisted.SlackBuild: line 81: ;: command not found [05:47] $( cd $PKG ; find . -name *.html -exec print {} ) \; [05:48] you forgot the ) at the end [05:48] oh thought \; was on the outside [05:48] nope - that's part of the -exec cmd [05:48] $( cd $PKG ; find . -name *.html -exec print {} \; ) [05:48] shell didn't get to running find 'cause it errored on its own syntax [05:48] better [05:48] wertik_rus (~wertik@195.239.215.34) joined ##slackware. [05:48] ok [05:49] um, why $() ? [05:49] because it's easier to follow that find will be in the same directory as the sources he's working with [05:49] same way makepkg does with symlinks [05:49] shouldn't that be () ? [05:50] and not $() ? [05:50] no - $() spawns a subshell [05:50] indeed, and runs the output [05:51] the print is just used for now to check that find is finding the right stuff - not part of the final product [05:51] oh, nevermind me then :P [05:51] yeah, i always setup finds with -print, too [05:51] we don't want a -exec rm -f {} rm'ing the wrong thing while he's checking [05:51] yeah, safer that way :) [05:52] Nick change: frimer_ -> frimer [05:53] if I want to mv the contents of one dir to another can I use 'mv' or I need cat? [05:54] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.26.234) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:55] mv works as long as the destination isn't already there (if it's a directory) [05:56] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:56] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.23.199) joined ##slackware. [05:56] the main reason for cat is so text files are owned root:root in the new package [05:57] rirombo (~user@h113.187.19.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:57] ok well I want to mv the contents of man from one path to another [05:57] I want to mv contents in --- $TMP/$SRCNAM-$VERSION/doc/man/ to place content in --- $PKG/usr/man/man1/ [05:58] so the man files all end up in /man1 [05:58] I made the dir before: mkdir -p $PKG/usr/man/man1 [05:58] wertik_rus (~wertik@195.239.215.34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:01] ok I got it [06:02] but not working to find the html files [06:02] also this dang thing is gunziping all my files [06:02] LOL [06:03] Srbo (~Srbo@p4FE929F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:04] alisonken1lap: would you please look at this? ---- http://pastebin.com/M9Di2q0V [06:04] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [06:05] I seem to have some things in a wrong order or something causing all the files to be gunzip [06:05] hang on a second here .... version 1.3.0 ????? is that right? [06:05] "set -e" and "|| exit 1" in the same script is pointless... [06:06] Srbo (~Srbo@p4FE929F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [06:06] ahhh I got a space [06:06] ahhh remove the set e? [06:07] yeah 1.3.0 [06:07] did they restart the numbering or do you have some fascination with a really old version [06:07] ok now I made it -- cd $PKG/usr/man/man1 [06:07] Lottanzb calls for this version [06:07] Xgates: well, that's one approach. Although the other way is more sensible [06:08] pprkut: sorry don't understand what's more sensible? [06:08] Xgates: again, you have a space between $PKG and /usr/man/man1 [06:08] Xgates: also, just in case you want to submit this to SBo, have a look at the python-template. Some (small) things do not match [06:08] yeah fixed that [06:09] LOL this is SBo build [06:09] http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/13.1/network/python-twisted/python-twisted.SlackBuild [06:09] I'm just changing some things for this version I'm using is all [06:09] ah, ok [06:10] ok I took out the space let me try again [06:12] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.118.5) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:13] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:15] WildWizard: actually it's hellanzb that needs it: http://hellanzb.com/trac [06:15] you can use a newer version but then you need twisted web also so if you don't want to use twisted web then you use 1.3 :) [06:15] i use hellanzb and i have version 10 [06:15] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430064.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [06:16] didn't you have to use twisted web too? [06:16] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430064.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:16] nope [06:17] hmm the website says *and* twisted web [06:17] ok [06:17] my bad then BUT what's the advantage of using a newer version of hellanzb? [06:17] version for hellanzb I mean... [06:20] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [06:20] twisted web is included in the newer versions ... you will have to patch hellanzb so it works with the new versions (quirk of python) [06:21] anc_ (~anc@216.59.33.89) joined ##slackware. [06:21] ahh I didn't patch it [06:21] my friends call me bullseye [06:22] but whats so great about using a newer version when hellanzb is so much older and wasn't around when this version came out [06:22] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=573221 ... last post on that page has the patchs [06:22] for me I'm fine to use the version that hellanzb was built for ,,,, [06:23] perhaps some day you run something else that wants twisted and that new program needs the new version? [06:23] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Quit: halt [06:23] wertik_rus (~wertik@195.239.215.34) joined ##slackware. [06:23] for me with an older program I like to keep to versions that were made for it to keep things stable and less problems [06:23] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.118.5) joined ##slackware. [06:23] well I don't do much on the box so not sure there's going to ever be a need [06:24] well to be pedantic you will want to downgrade python as well to stop those pesky warning messages [06:24] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:24] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [06:25] really the only problem is a quirk in python makes the version numbering system not work correctly which is not a real problem and the python warning is about a change to hashlib [06:26] well the last build of hellanzb was Mar 2007 so I'd think that twisted 2.x versions should be good [06:26] otzy_007 (~oz@pc55078.static.is.airbites.ro) joined ##slackware. [06:27] but if I use 2.5 do I need twistedweb too? [06:27] to be honest other than those quirks there is really no reason for hellnzb's code to get updated so no one has bothered [06:27] yes you will need twisted web [06:28] well I went with 1.3 is all cause it was listed on the site as the one to get so not to need web [06:29] whats the first new version where web is built in? [06:30] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-70-18-157-112.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:31] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:36] i think you'll find 1.3 doesn;t have web because it wasn't created that far back [06:37] I see these web paths in the tar [06:38] usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/twisted/web/ [06:40] this dang python script didn't even place all the bin into the pack either [06:40] did i mention that hellnzb requires twisted 2.0.0 or greater? [06:40] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [06:41] it says on the web site 1.3 at the bottom too [06:41] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-150-119.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:41] spiraliz (~spiraliz@90.149.153.177) joined ##slackware. [06:41] hey look at this for me please these are all the bin: [06:41] hellnzb's code asks for 2.0.0 [06:41] http://pastebin.com/xCdr3Qws [06:42] then this is all it put in: [06:42] http://pastebin.com/8rDyBwqE [06:42] it didn't put everything in hmmm oddd [06:43] here's the slackbuild I used: http://pastebin.com/yH6CPB03 [06:43] I don't get why all the bin weren't put in [06:46] the stuff in bin is not strictly required the actual stuff is under the python directory [06:47] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [06:47] sorry don't quite follow that, under the python dir? [06:47] aren [06:47] /usr/lib/python/site-packages/ [06:47] aren't those all twisted binaries needed? [06:47] oh [06:48] have a look at those files in bin and you will understand [06:48] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:48] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [06:49] well the install says: python setup.py install [06:49] in the slackbuild there is: [06:49] python setup.py build || exit 1 [06:49] python setup.py install --root=$PKG || exit 1 [06:50] both ok? [06:50] that's all the README for it says to use so it should be fine [06:50] does it need the build section? [06:50] the INSTALL just says ---> python setup.py install [06:51] so I wonder if I should be removing python setup.py build || exit 1 [06:51] is that the 1.3 INSTALL ? [06:51] yea [06:51] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:52] hellanzb only has python setup.py install --root=$PKG [06:52] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [06:53] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:53] I also thought I can run it like this [06:53] python setup.py install --root=$PKG [06:54] mwalling (mwalling@you.dontlike.us) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:54] and I don't need the || exit 1 on the end either [06:54] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [06:54] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:54] the exit 1 is for the script to bomb out if that command doesn't work stops the script from continuing on [06:55] no point in || exit 1 if there is set -e. [06:55] 'help set' [06:55] but remeber someone said if you have the set e ! [06:55] beaten [06:55] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) left irc: Quit: velusip [06:56] anyone using postgresql here? [06:57] ok also it has this on it slava_dp --- python setup.py build and the INSTALL only mentions python setup.py install so I just ran it as that like this now: [06:57] python setup.py install --root=$PKG [06:58] seems to be fine, ran like before [06:58] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [06:58] can't you run python setup.py help and see all available options? [06:58] Srbo (~Srbo@p4FE929F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:58] ahhh [06:58] Hi. Please look at http://www.rhisa.com/change.jpg - how can I set desired username and group? [06:58] ok let me see [06:58] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:59] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [06:59] riza, desired username and group for what? [06:59] Srbo (~Srbo@p4FE929F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [06:59] riza: that's inside a tar - permissions are saved with the file. to change permissions, you would have to change them before the files are added or after the tarball is extracted [06:59] yah, extract, chown, tar [06:59] slava_dp: setup.py build will build the package underneath 'build/ [07:00] is that needed? [07:00] Ah that would mean I would have to create a username because it doesn't exist. :( [07:00] It's annoying. [07:00] Action: slava_dp has no clue [07:00] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Client Quit [07:00] wertik_rus (~wertik@195.239.215.34) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:00] I don't know what that means build underneath build [07:00] hehe [07:01] I guess build it in a /build dir? [07:01] riza, I think you can fake user id using fakeroot. [07:02] oh well I'll just run both like this then: [07:02] not sure though. [07:02] python setup.py build [07:02] python setup.py install --root=$PKG [07:03] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:05] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:07] Hm, never heard of fakeroot. [07:07] how do i work with the commands in the isolinux dir (the one where i make my own bootable .iso). the commands are command a \ command b \ command c, do i just copy all lines and paste, or do i need to do 1 line by 1 line [07:07] mcury (~mcury@189.24.67.133) joined ##slackware. [07:07] otzy_007 (oz@pc55078.static.is.airbites.ro) left ##slackware. [07:08] Ookay thanks though for trying. [07:08] Nick change: anc_ -> anc [07:08] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [07:08] zaythan (~zaythan@ip68-1-71-150.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:10] stu_ (~stuart@175.144.255.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:11] what's the lowest mem you guys have got slack running? with X and without [07:11] 64 ? [07:11] heh, nah [07:11] v4nelle (~van@78-99-105.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:11] i've had 16MB [07:11] i didn't try for memory reduction, but 64 without X [07:11] ok :) [07:12] 8 [07:12] 4 ? [07:12] and 24 with x [07:12] Skywise: with vesa? [07:12] video card memory was more important then system memory at the time [07:12] huh I like the ctr s feature of eamcs how do I use it with man pages ? [07:12] nice =) [07:13] uhhh emacs << 'man foobar' or what ? how do you help with those manpages ? [07:13] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [07:13] i think vesa was the only way and you had to translate timings from your monitors manual [07:15] there were was support for a lot of graphic cards chipsets, but very little for monitors [07:15] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:15] any way to query /proc or something to discover how many memory slots are being utilized, or is that just bios [07:15] WildWizard: btw this is the hellanzb README: http://pastebin.com/SCcUhN7b [07:16] Line 36 :) [07:16] would sensors tell you? [07:16] v4nelle (~van@78-99-105.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[07:33] alienBOB: ++ on sabnzbd.. been using for awhile now, but just been manually installing... sabnzbd is the awesome =) [07:34] alisonken1lap: your top of stats now =P [07:35] cool - now to keep it top dawg [07:35] :) [07:35] also added a Karma section =) [07:35] trhodes is top karma =P [07:35] haha i noticed that [07:36] kharma is? [07:36] i think ++, duno what else [07:36] groove on,trhodes.....-_- [07:36] alisonken1lap: no, it goes off ++ and -- from other users [07:36] ah - didn't know about the ++ and -- [07:37] debian has -2 lol [07:37] it's only just been implemented, but stats logs from 01/01/2010 =) [07:37] mwalling (mwalling@you.dontlike.us) joined ##slackware. [07:39] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [07:39] zaythan (~zaythan@ip68-1-71-150.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:40] zaythan (~zaythan@ip68-1-71-150.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:44] how to examine open ports on my machine ? and which app are using them ? [07:44] try with nmap or netstat [07:45] also, lsof [07:46] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:48] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:48] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [07:48] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [07:50] ok thanks [07:50] zaythan (~zaythan@ip68-1-71-150.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:50] zaythan (~zaythan@ip68-1-71-150.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:51] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-1-103.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:51] zaythan (~zaythan@ip68-1-71-150.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:53] daniel_s (~daniel_s@188-194-153-115-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [07:54] uhh thousand of sockets ... [07:54] errr how do I get only those which are opened / [07:54] linXea (~Slackytux@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:56] netstat -uta [07:56] to display opened network sockets [07:57] if you don't want the listen sockets --> netstat -ut [07:57] howdy, Im currently having a build problem. Im trying to build the MAC (monkey audio codec plugin) under slackware x64 13.1 It configures okay but when running MAKE it end with "APELink.cpp:66: error: invalid conversion from 'const char*' to 'char*'" [07:59] paul424, if you want only the listen sockets --> netstat -lut [07:59] is slackware going to include MySQL in future versions? [07:59] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.99) joined ##slackware. [08:00] mysql already is into slackware [08:00] n/mysql-5.1.46-i486-2 [08:02] yes, but will it still be there in future releases? [08:02] Ansa89: ok and how to get the applications which are useing them ? [08:02] since it's now owned by oracle [08:05] zux1wrk: Yes. It will. [08:06] ok [08:06] gbrandao (~gustavo@unaffiliated/gbrandao) joined ##slackware. [08:06] does anyone know any future plans, what does oracle want to do with mysql? after all, there is MariaDB too [08:07] paul424, i think with "-p" [08:07] zux1wrk: http://www.helpmysql.org [08:07] paul424, so you can see the pid/program [08:07] gbrandao (gustavo@unaffiliated/gbrandao) left ##slackware. [08:07] zux1wrk: it's usually not good when the creator of it leaves the company because he doesn't like what their doing with the it [08:09] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [08:11] Alt_of_Ctrl (~Inacio@a85-139-195-70.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [08:11] waabimiigwan (~steven@106-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [08:12] Alt_of_Ctrl (~Inacio@a85-139-195-70.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:12] wharncliffe (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:14] daniel_s (~daniel_s@188-194-153-115-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:14] waabimiigwan (~steven@106-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [08:16] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-211-114.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:18] klein (~klein@unaffiliated/klein) joined ##slackware. [08:18] klein (klein@unaffiliated/klein) left ##slackware. [08:23] stu_ (~stuart@175.144.255.8) joined ##slackware. [08:24] has anyone gotten to the bottom of the C_onnect button instead of Connect in Xchat in 13.1 [08:24] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) joined ##slackware. [08:24] kazuya (~kazuya@178.2.211.84) joined ##slackware. [08:25] Srbo (~Srbo@p4FE929F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:25] hello.. i did a fullinstall but why there is no X? [08:26] kazuya: type startx [08:26] isnt there [08:26] xinit, too [08:26] you have to create xinit yourself [08:26] kazuya, if you have done a full install, then you have X [08:27] and the new tekken movie is gonna suck btw [08:27] ya ok but xinit is not there [08:27] check for you xorg.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf [08:27] no one [08:27] try ls /var/log/packages/xorg* [08:27] mom [08:27] nothing [08:28] maybe you hd is full? [08:28] then you didnt install it [08:28] s/you/your/ [08:28] any chance you're not booted into slackware? [08:28] no [08:28] :D [08:28] hm .. [08:28] i dont get it ..:x [08:28] were you going to run kde? [08:29] i did installed it [08:29] normally i just want to install the base slack [08:29] just make your own xinit file [08:29] then X [08:29] then dwm [08:29] I have tor and privoxy configured properly but still I cannot get it workkng for any console program [08:29] thats it but thats my first time on slack and im not really familliar with it [08:29] dont you set $HTTP_PROXY [08:30] or something like that [08:30] kazuya: type xwmconfig [08:30] then choose your window manager [08:30] the simplest case is the : links -http-proxy 127.0.0.1:8118 [08:30] it will create an xinit [08:30] not found [08:30] D: [08:30] then you didnt install x [08:30] but i did a fullinstall :D [08:30] well [08:30] maybe not [08:30] phrag: I dd , for a test case I try links which can be tole its proxy as an option [08:30] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Timeout ( 0.0 Seconds ) [08:30] sounds like you just installed A [08:30] how much HDD space did you have on that partition [08:30] i selected it o_O [08:31] KaMii: dunno its ma veryvery old pc i have to take a look [08:31] how long did your instal last, was it like 5 minutse? [08:31] ill report maybe youre right [08:31] dunno i was away while installing [08:31] how old of a PC? [08:31] if its too old, dont run X it will be too slow [08:32] well, windows xp already was running on it [08:32] i think X will be ok [08:32] Action: KaMii never leaves the computer while installing things [08:32] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7D5AF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:32] uhh does the iptables blocks those calls ? Suppose not , couse with the fiefox plugin tor works well . ... [08:32] ok, so its not THAT old then [08:32] btw i will use dwm on it [08:33] i think you borked the install [08:33] do it again, this time, hang around the computer [08:33] if there were bad files on the disc it will tell you, then move on [08:33] so maybe your disc is bad [08:33] nono [08:33] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [08:33] did you md5check iso before and after you burned it? [08:34] i installed it not the first time cus i had problems with the monitor, it didnt get a signal [08:34] eh yea ;) [08:35] did you let the setup script fsck your drive when it formatted it? [08:35] ? [08:35] ah [08:35] to continue installing? [08:35] no, to check for bad sectors [08:35] ah [08:35] eh i did once [08:35] if your drive is borked, good luck installing things [08:35] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:35] shouldnt be [08:36] kazuya: a HDD can crash without warning [08:36] and you will never know when or why [08:36] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [08:36] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:36] stu_ (~stuart@175.144.255.8) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:36] i just lost my main yesterday, and it never had problems, then all a sudden it died [08:36] aw :( [08:36] reinstall [08:36] r.i.p maindrive [08:36] thats my opinio [08:36] KaMii: backups? [08:37] i check for bad blocks now :) [08:38] thumbs: yes I had a very recent backup of less than a week, lost nothing, just time [08:38] KaMii: good! [08:38] ^^ [08:38] afk smoking while its checking for bad blocks :D [08:38] kazuya: still i would just reinstall and let it fsck while you set up / [08:38] yup [08:38] ok be r8 back :) [08:39] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:39] rate back? [08:39] brb [08:39] :P [08:39] Action: KaMii is installing sims 3 on my main machine... so ill be around but this computer is behind me... so ya [08:40] KaMii: a little off-topic but, i remember you were trying to get World of Warcraft working. Get it going? [08:42] WoW works fine in wine [08:42] not with the latest patch afaik [08:42] Yes there was a kernel issue with the latest WoW patch [08:43] jgeboski: im not the one that had probls with WoW [08:44] alienBOB: I patched my kernel with the patch and I can confirm it works with slack 13.1 [08:44] ah [08:44] KaMii, which patch? [08:44] Ansa89: there is a kernel patch for World of Warcraft [08:45] you can find it in the appdb on winehq website [08:45] thx [08:45] np [08:45] i suggest while you are patching your kernel, just spend the time to configure it all to your likeing [08:45] usus12jari (~ashe@125.166.169.184) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:46] takes my computer about 3 hours to compile a kernel [08:46] so I spent about an hour going through all the settings and turning off things I dont have/need/want [08:46] KaMii: 3 hours? wow. [08:47] well i did make -j3 [08:47] because I have a single core [08:47] AMD Athlon 3500+ [08:47] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [08:47] Hi does anyone remember when 13 and 13.1 was released? [08:48] usus12jari (~ashe@110.136.104.44) joined ##slackware. [08:48] riza: theck the release announcements [08:48] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [08:48] hey guys [08:48] riza: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware [08:48] stu_ (~stuart@175.144.255.8) joined ##slackware. [08:48] fxer (~fxer@c-6c00e255.165-500-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [08:48] say what's the perms suppose to be on /tmp? [08:49] Xgates, 1777 [08:49] one ? [08:49] 777? [08:49] 1777 [08:49] learn about unix permissions. [08:49] I know a little [08:49] know more [08:50] Xgates: there is a great article on wikipedia on that subject. [08:50] Yes Boss :) [08:50] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [08:50] lol [08:51] So sorry I should've done that first Zordrak + surrounder. Thank you. [08:51] I don't know what's going on with all this building slackpacks in /tmp I can't download now [08:51] this is all I get in there [08:51] root@slackware:/tmp# ls [08:52] NcpWdhbG.bz2.part [08:52] omg (~root@109.96.206.54) joined ##slackware. [08:52] You download all yer' stuff to /tmp? [08:52] as soon as I try to downoad something in Firefox the download all goes away [08:52] how much processor does a file server take/need? [08:52] no Firefox needs to I don't know why it needs access there I guess [08:53] im thinking of putting a file server on slackintosh [08:53] omg (~root@109.96.206.54) left irc: Client Quit [08:53] slackintosh, you mean on mac? [08:53] sickn3ss (~root@109.96.206.54) joined ##slackware. [08:53] slackintosh is my mac kazuya [08:53] i put slackware on my iBook G4 [08:53] is it a power pc? [08:53] riza: my understanding is as it's pulling something down it being done from /tmp until it's complete [08:53] ah [08:53] how do I upgrade java in firefox guyus O_o [08:53] guys& [08:54] KaMii, i have a file/web/ssh server on a 1.7GH pentium M single core [08:54] whas is complicated KaMii? [08:54] sickn3ss: upgrade the system jre package. [08:54] ok, i just wanted to know it it would tax the cpu much, guess not [08:54] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:54] kazuya: no it was not complicated at all [08:54] KaMii, not so much [08:54] nice [08:54] just one thing was hard, but we figured it out [08:55] because i was thinkin about a macbook pro :) [08:55] stupid trackpad button tapping, couldnt figure out how to turn it off [08:55] KaMii: raid and encryption add to the cpu demands, but not a whole lot [08:55] just love their design, you know?:) [08:55] I deleted .mozilla thinking something in the profile was corrupt but it didn't work I still can't download anything [08:55] oh, well I dont have raid trhodes [08:55] i have never messed with raid, it scares me [08:56] rodrigo_golive (~rodrigo_g@nat/mandriva/x-ubzyuzzbafurvuwg) joined ##slackware. [08:56] sickn3ss: you really shouldn't irs as root [08:56] s/irs/irc/ [08:56] why :-? [08:56] I am used to run as root [08:56] :)) [08:56] sickn3ss: its dangerous [08:56] but I will take your advice :D [08:57] brb relog [08:57] sickn3ss (~root@109.96.206.54) left irc: Client Quit [08:57] Xgates: killed your profile? might need to run firefox -ProfileManager in terminal and setup a new profile [08:57] sickn3ss: if your IRC client is exploited by someone they have root on your system [08:57] tit [08:57] omg might get that [08:57] Action: ut has fiddled with linux on his macbook a few times, mainly found that it was hard to get the touchpad to feel right [08:57] sickn3ss (~sickness@109.96.206.54) joined ##slackware. [08:58] better ? :D [08:58] trhodes: thats the only big problem is the synaptics [08:58] Xgates, Ah I see. [08:58] sickn3ss: hey, it's your box. slackboy usually bans on root connect. [08:59] oooohhh the icecream truck is outside [08:59] tell me if the root connect changed [08:59] O_o [08:59] its here every friday afternoon at 15.00 [08:59] hehehe [08:59] 06:54 -!- sickn3ss [~root@109.96.206.54] has quit [Client Quit] [08:59] 06:54 -!- sickn3ss [~sickness@109.96.206.54] has joined ##slackware [08:59] ganeshix (~ele@rrcs-184-74-2-215.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:00] KaMii: lol.......playing Turkey In The Straw? [09:00] ... [09:00] i'm not root now O_o [09:00] Action: ut chuckles [09:00] Action: chopp walks away [09:00] MLanden: I got it one of my dir changed perms while working it to root I guess causing doing stuff in it as root changed it, I hate that just because you complie something or untar it as root shouldn't be changing perms on a users dir [09:01] working it/as.... [09:01] v4nelle (~van@78-99-105.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:01] huh?? turkey in the straw? [09:01] it plays a very dumb annoying song [09:02] and they need to change it to some techno [09:02] MLanden: Hemglass [09:02] ganeshix (~ele@rrcs-184-74-2-215.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:02] hey guys should I create separate user on Slackware ? or just run as root ? [09:03] wertik_rus (~wertik@195.239.215.34) joined ##slackware. [09:03] KaMii: lol....might get busted for selling somethin' other than ice cream...;) j/k [09:03] sickn3ss: create a user [09:03] KaMii okey :D [09:03] sickn3ss: only login as root when you need the access, and never run x window environments as root [09:03] and never logonto any irc network as root [09:03] Sickn3ss, I suggest these user names: cold, flu, infection, etc [09:04] sickn3ss, run as a separate user, always. [09:04] KaMii: finished formating with checking for badblocks.. everything was good [09:04] afron lol ::)) [09:04] arfon, awww... :) [09:04] kazuya: how large is that HDD partition? [09:04] afron you forgot illness [09:04] sickn3ss: not all software in your desltop environment will even work properly if you start X as root [09:04] ehm [09:04] moment [09:04] forget looking [09:04] my bad sickn3ss [09:05] ok :D I'll create new user right away :)) [09:05] kazuya: didnt you set that yourself when you ran fdisk? [09:05] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Timeout ( 0.0 Seconds ) [09:05] 40gb [09:05] :D [09:05] kazuya: you did make a swap partition and a linux partition i hope [09:05] of course^^ [09:05] You don't really need swap if you are on 64 bit I say. [09:05] sickn3ss (~sickness@109.96.206.54) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:05] riza: hes not 64bit [09:05] Why is that riza? [09:05] hes on an old computer [09:05] / gets 35 gb :) [09:06] ok, well just install everything now [09:06] and make sure you select all [09:06] even if i could install 64bit is would use 32 ;) [09:06] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) left irc: Quit: restarting... [09:06] (personally i would not install latex [09:06] arfon, why else would you use a swap partition for? [09:06] but your call [09:07] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: [09:07] don't need swap if you're on 64-bit? wtf? [09:07] Action: KaMii once had a 40 gb swap because I put in an extra 0 accidentally [09:07] thrice`, swap = paging, my impression was that you'd only need that if you ran out of ram. [09:08] Most folks that I know running 64 bit often have mroe than 16gb ram, many times more. [09:08] by your comment, I was thinking that the 64bit version 'does something different' because of the architecture... I run swap because I never seem to have enough RAM. :( [09:08] <---cheap [09:08] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:08] 64-bit is usually needed if you have >4G ram and/or you do massive number crunching programs (like seti-at-home) [09:08] 16Gb?!?! i wish! [09:08] wtf i have 4GB and run 64bit [09:08] <--2Gb [09:08] alisonken1home, yep, that's why I said that. [09:09] Oh no, I never said it was exclusive though folks. [09:09] <--did I mention cheap [09:09] <- 17cm [09:09] adrien wins the small prize [09:09] memory is rather cheap now a days but, i guess it's what you consider cheap [09:09] (you meant 17mm?) [09:09] seti at home? is that the seach for extra terrestrial intelilgence? [09:09] Just that if you have more than 4gb it just makes sense to run 64 bit but by then, swap is probably not necessary. [09:09] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:09] Action: chopp checks on his fah [09:09] from 4Gb to 64 Gb ram you can use 32 bit with pae enabled [09:09] KaMii: something like that [09:10] riza, wow, you're off :> [09:10] alisonken1lap: don't be so sure :P [09:10] I run 64-bit on only 2gb of ram [09:10] I do too [09:10] alisonken1home: thats cool how do you do that on your comp, you must have a nice telescope plugged in [09:10] mwalling_ (mwalling@you.dontlike.us) joined ##slackware. [09:10] also, if someone wants to suspend-to-disk, they need a swap of course [09:10] Memory Cheapskates, UNITE! [09:10] adrien: at 17cm - you win the small prize of the day ;) [09:10] thrice`, you can't suspend / hibernate to ram? [09:10] Or hard drive even? [09:10] I guess if you set up some swap file [09:11] suspend to disk uses swap space [09:11] chris_scummette (~chris_scu@ABordeaux-551-1-63-4.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:11] Oh. [09:11] riza: suspend to ram works fine - but hibernate puts your system to sleep - hence you need a place for ram storage [09:11] Hm.. [09:11] think about what swap is used for and why it might be the best way for suspend to disk to work [09:11] s/sleep/turns off/ [09:11] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) joined ##slackware. [09:12] yep, unloads some crap, and puts the rest of the crap to swap [09:12] which is nice, because slackware boots sloo o o w [09:12] But, how does it hibernate if RAM is full and swap is full??? [09:12] you have issues then :) [09:12] arfon, can't. [09:12] My life is hard. [09:13] I have hard spots too - but the wife takes care of that [09:13] the kernel would be kill processes left right and center if that was the case [09:13] I guess I should run so many copies of Eyes...? [09:13] mwalling (mwalling@you.dontlike.us) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:13] alisonken1lap: bah, I still have to improve my english [09:13] alisonken1lap, lol ;_; That's so sweet. [09:13] shouldn't [09:13] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [09:13] alkos333 (1000@c-67-162-30-94.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:14] Nick change: mwalling_ -> mwalling [09:14] arfon: as usual: close firefox /o\  [09:14] Ken, she puts mentholatum on them? [09:14] lol [09:14] arfon: actually something a little more, uh, "soothing", than mentholatum ;) [09:14] lol [09:15] Adrien, I like to fill my screen with eyes and move the cursor around... Makes me feel like I have friends... :) [09:15] Ken, Goldbond? [09:16] arfon: you should try xroach then, needs a little tweaking to accomodate today's computers speed but you should enjoy it... :P [09:16] arfon: "Personal Lubricant" - premium version [09:16] ok - time to head home [09:16] adrien: haven't messed with that xtoy in quite a while [09:16] Srbo (~Srbo@p4FE929F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:17] sickness_ (~sickness@109.96.206.54) joined ##slackware. [09:17] unfortunately, many many x* apps aren't working anymore and segfault immediately [09:18] Why are they doing that adrien? [09:18] sounds like a messed-up multilib install/upgrade to me [09:18] bye [09:18] Enjoy alisonken1lap. [09:18] later,alisonken1lap [09:18] riza: oooooold and not kept up-to-date [09:19] they need looooove [09:19] sickness_ (~sickness@109.96.206.54) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:19] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-31.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:20] <3 [09:22] Hm Okular seems to be struggling to view chm files. [09:22] Mayhaps I should install a chm viewer?... [09:22] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:22] what is xroach [09:22] usus12jari (~ashe@110.136.104.44) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:22] It displays cockroaches on your screen. [09:22] man xroach [09:23] doesn't seem to work on my machine :( [09:23] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ [09:23] even with -speed 0.01 [09:23] Action: arfon hates it when people 'hang' in his cube. [09:23] doesn't work over here [09:23] what font packages do i need to be able to use office in wine properly agaain [09:24] arfon: has red stapler? [09:24] usus12jari (~ashe@110.136.106.15) joined ##slackware. [09:24] DAMN IT!!! SOMEONE TOOK MY RED STAPLER! [09:24] Action: arfon gets out the red krylon. [09:26] Why am I getting this error? make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/SBo/chkrootkit-0.49' / install: cannot stat `09:23': No such file or directory [09:27] cos theres a coding error in a makefile somewhere probably [09:27] I checked the SlackBuild, it looks fine. [09:28] sickness_ (~sickness@109.96.206.54) joined ##slackware. [09:28] Ok I created a new user [09:28] but now when I type sudo su it doesn't ask me for password [09:28] .. [09:29] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:29] alkos333 (~alkos333@184-204-138-39.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [09:29] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-70-18-157-112.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:29] are you su-ing from root? [09:29] He is. [09:29] I figured [09:29] Don't "sudo su". [09:30] Log out of root and login your newly created user account. [09:30] Don't do drug either [09:30] Leave that to Eminem. [09:30] never_mind (~dexter@219.64.95.198) joined ##slackware. [09:30] riza: can you pastebin a build log please? (bash -x ./chkrootkit.SlackBuild 2>&1 | tee BUILD.log) (and pastebin the BUILD.log) [09:31] fwiw , chkrootkit builds fine here. [09:32] no [09:32] I am [09:32] I love this channel, so many helpful tips... [09:32] logs in from new account [09:32] logged* [09:32] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-70-18-157-112.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:32] and when I type sudo su in terminal it works without asking for a pass [09:33] fxer (~fxer@c-6c00e255.165-500-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [09:33] dont sudo su, just su [09:33] sickness_ (~sickness@109.96.206.54) left irc: Client Quit [09:33] just su - [09:33] BP{k}, I think I see the error but here it is. [09:33] userslack (d540ebe9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.64.235.233) joined ##slackware. [09:33] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:34] http://pastebin.com/eXzjMWkv [09:34] wertik_rus (~wertik@195.239.215.34) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:34] Okay. [09:34] what's that thing that creates all those lines starting with "+"? [09:35] pprkut, hm are you talking to me? [09:35] I dunno. I didn't put those + there. [09:35] well, anyone that knows. it looks weird [09:36] Hello! Why doesn't this works in slackware slackware? http://pastebin.com/At33RVTV? [09:36] Slackware 13.1.0 [09:36] tawfiq (~tawfiq@41.250.224.133) joined ##slackware. [09:36] wow, that slackbuild is quite hackish [09:37] thrice`, Yeah, but I got it from sbo, I didn't make any changes whatsoever. userslack http://pastebin.com/At33RVTV and just use passwd, why gpasswd? [09:37] OOOOOOH Sorry userslack. [09:37] My apology. I did not notice group. Sorry. [09:37] np [09:38] I have googled a lot [09:38] iPerl (~cfy@122.87.168.156) joined ##slackware. [09:38] iPerl (~cfy@122.87.168.156) left irc: Client Quit [09:38] iPerl (~cfy@122.87.168.156) joined ##slackware. [09:38] sickness_ (~sickness@109.96.206.54) joined ##slackware. [09:39] riza, well, the slackbuild should work; yours is dying because the binary doesn't get built. are you on a stock 13.1 system? [09:39] pprkut: seriously.... [09:39] ganeshix (~ele@rrcs-184-74-2-215.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:39] fixed the user problem from /etc/sudoers [09:39] thrice`, yes. [09:40] thrice`, dying sounds horrifying. :( [09:41] riza, it's better than spending eternity as a mindless zombie roaming the Earth in search of brains.... [09:41] I just installed 13.1 yesterday too. Completely new. I didn't touching anything. arfon lol Maybe.. [09:42] ...I would think. [09:42] arfon: try it sometime, you might like it! [09:42] Okay, [arfon grabs a bottle of vodka] [09:42] riza: I would delete the current source/slackbuild of chkrootkit and download a fresh copy from SBo [09:43] BP{k}, same thing, I tried that a;ready. [09:44] riza: 32/64bit? [09:44] sickness_ (~sickness@109.96.206.54) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:44] 32. [09:47] 32! [09:47] alkos333 (~alkos333@184-204-138-39.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:48] riza: I got the same error trying to build it after "su", use "su -" instead. [09:48] chopp: ah nice call :) [09:48] chopp, same error huh. Let me checkie. [09:49] BP{k}, did you use su -? [09:49] I don't see why, though; it doesn't seem to do anything that is path sensitive, does it? [09:50] riza: no. I have dedicated build enviroments for stuff lik that, either chroot or virtual machines. however I very seldomly use "su" over "su -" [09:51] iPerl (~cfy@122.87.168.156) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:51] BP{k}, curious, why? [09:51] I see now. [09:51] This is the closest I got to the solution: fix-etc-gshadow-reading.patch, unfortunately it gives The requested URL /debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/2010-02/05418/txtj8J5LqCtcW.txt was not found on this server. [09:51] maybe you had a similar patch for the packet? [09:52] running slackpkg install-new if you dont have a set installed like kde, will it install it? [09:52] unless you blacklist it [09:52] any recomendations for a netbook? For small money? [09:52] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [09:52] ok good thanks thrice` [09:53] m3tti, use newegg.com for guided search. [09:53] m3tti, pen and paper, will run you about $3 [09:53] riza: why what? why I prefer su - over su? or why I used seperate build enviroments? [09:53] KaMii, otherwise, you'll have to uncheck the kde packages everytime you run it [09:53] ya thats true, thanks thrice` [09:54] BP{k}, no no, I know why you use su - now. [09:54] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:54] sickn3ss (~sickness@109.96.206.54) joined ##slackware. [09:54] m3tti, I LOVE my Gateway [09:55] Cheap and Slack13.1 works like a dream (except for the card-reader). [09:55] I am now debating whether installing and setting up samhain is worth it or not. [09:55] VampX (~VampX@201.218.68.99) joined ##slackware. [09:55] it's not november yet ;) [09:56] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-198.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:56] Gateway LT2104u (BTW) [09:56] sickn3ss (sickness@109.96.206.54) left ##slackware. [09:56] x) BP{k} nice one. [09:56] arfon: thanx [09:56] I bought it at Best Buy for $309 [09:56] i've thought about the hp mini [09:57] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:57] riza: with regards to the build enviroment, it just ensures me the packages build are clean. Since I might need them at some point to reinstall or for other testing cleanly build packages against a stock slackware system is the way forward. Since I have enough diskspace e.. a couple of chroots and vm's don't hurt :) [09:57] m3tti, I carried a slax thubdrive with me to verify the netbooks worked with Linux... [09:58] sickn3ss (~sickness@109.96.206.54) joined ##slackware. [09:58] ok new user created [09:58] BP{k}, you know.. I have about 7tb of hard drive space... if I could somehow toss some to you.. [09:58] I have a wierd question: [09:58] m3tti: my only advise is to make sure the hardware has good support in the kernel [09:58] My friend bought an eeepc a while back and had to use eeebuntu. [09:58] I have my hard partitioned in 2 large partitions: 1 is / and the second one mounts as /home [09:59] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:59] in case I reinstall slackware will the content of my /home be lost [09:59] ? [09:59] riza: haha :) [09:59] Not if you don't format the target partition [09:59] sickn3ss: that entirely depends. [09:59] arfon :)) you give me only good news :)) I love you [10:00] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.127.241) joined ##slackware. [10:00] Slackware rocks in that regard, it just copies packages over... [10:00] well /home just has my movies and stuff :)) [10:00] Your /etc/config files will get replaced but dirs that you added should stay [10:01] sweeeet [10:01] should have been /etc config files [10:01] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [10:01] But sickn3ss..... back up stuff just in case [10:02] I should ask, 13.1 can deal with .ace files yea? [10:02] roger that arfon :D [10:03] hey arfon you were right ... running from other user than root actually gives me better graphics and runs more faster :| [10:03] m3tti: just make sure it has a decent-ish graphics card. some of the Acer AspireOne 751 models come with the intel gma500 crap [10:04] Hey I have the intet GMA 'crap' and it works fine [10:04] :P [10:04] riza: yeah..if you mean this --> http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/system/unace/ [10:04] arfon: gma500? or antoher version? [10:04] ah crap hp mini has a broadcom wireless card [10:05] You're not going to be playing Unreal Torney on it so, who cares? [10:05] argh :-( [10:05] MLanden, I totally overlooked that, thank you. [10:05] Yeah, STAY AWAY from those broadcom [10:05] riza: np [10:05] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:05] my parents are running a notebook with broadcom [10:05] userslack (d540ebe9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.64.235.233) left irc: Quit: Page closed [10:05] and slackware 13.1 [10:05] Slack13.1 detected the Intel GMA chip correctly and does the 3d [10:06] yeah intel based netbooks are great most of them work out of the box [10:06] (BTW, The Gateways are supposed to be re-badged Acers) [10:06] Action: arfon dislikes intel :( [10:06] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [10:07] Action: arfon will overcome his dislike for a $300 netbook though [10:07] which I'm on right now. :) [10:09] arfon: lspci (just wondering what intel GMA you hafe) [10:09] s/hafe/have/ [10:10] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-186-217.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [10:10] Looking now BP{k}. It's hard to read the lspci output on a 5pt 80x24 console [10:11] Then increase the font size [10:12] it just says: Display controller: Intel Corporation Pineview Integrated Graphics Controller [10:13] I can't, if I make the fonts bigger than 5pt, my boss may notice that I'm chatting :P [10:13] What he doesn't know won't hurt me [10:13] arfon: right, everything I look at on the web tells me your gateway would have an Intel GMA3150 (ie: *not* an Intel GMA500)0 [10:14] the chipset is an 82801G [10:16] What's the deal with the GMA500? [10:16] Crunchie (41585838@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.88.88.56) joined ##slackware. [10:16] shitty support. you need to use some half arsed poulsbo drivers. [10:17] AH! I got worried about that. I read all of those GMA driver horror stories. So I ran 'gears' and when they came up, I was very happy. [10:18] arfon: yeah most of them have decent support, execpt th 500 .. even intel itself seems to not want to touch it. [10:19] Well, I lucked out with this netbook and the Broadband2Go modem... They just worked. [10:19] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.127.241) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:19] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [10:20] arfon: nice, personally I am not a fan of netbooks, prefer decent size laptops instead :) [10:21] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:22] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:22] never_mind (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:22] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: gone [10:22] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:23] I'm with ya BP, I HATE this tiny screen but, I'm liking the light weigth, the fact that the batteries last forever (compared to my Presario) and that I can stick it in my overhead bin with the bluetooth connection to my work desktop and the wireless modem and chat with you guys all day and no one is teh wiser. :) [10:23] zux1wrk (~zux@80.81.42.4) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:24] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [10:24] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:24] I WAS going to get one of those brick sized flash memoried computers to do this but, for the same $$, I got a netbook WITH a screen. [10:24] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:24] yeah light weight and battery life are great [10:24] Srbo (~Srbo@p4FE929F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:25] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@200.63.199.98) joined ##slackware. [10:25] I should get going now. [10:25] Thanks a lot folks and good morning. [10:25] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [10:26] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:26] The drawbacks are: Screen is small (a lot of scrolling needed) and the Atom CPU with only 1Gb of memory is a little slow compared to other computers today. :( [10:26] Bye Riza [10:26] iPerl (~cfy@122.87.168.156) joined ##slackware. [10:28] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:29] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:30] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:32] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.171.104) joined ##slackware. [10:34] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF5D8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:36] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7D5AF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:37] Nick change: chopp -> evil|chopp [10:37] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:37] quickest way to append a string to every cell in a range in scalc? [10:37] What happened to eviljames? [10:39] arfon: he's been busy with real life stuff. [10:39] fonseg (~fonseg@58.187.97.201) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:40] I hate it when RL gets in the way. [10:40] indeed [10:43] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:45] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:45] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.171.104) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:49] guys need a good firewall for my slackware [10:49] :D [10:49] sickn3ss: depends on your needs, slackfire works good for me [10:50] I will give it a try :D [10:50] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [10:50] whats wrong with iptables? [10:51] It was written by aliens [10:51] bob writes lots of stuff, its ok [10:51] kazuya (kazuya@178.2.211.84) left ##slackware. [10:51] (the UFO kind) [10:51] yeah, thats him [10:51] I've configured IP tables :P just want another one [10:51] No, Big eyes, grey [10:51] haha [10:52] who the heck is bob? [10:52] "Bob" :-D [10:52] alienBOB [10:52] Nick change: NaCl -> NaCly [10:52] you guys should of given him some more time, he was just about to figure it out [10:52] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:53] alienBOB [10:53] VampX (~VampX@201.218.68.99) left irc: Quit: VampX [10:53] thats better [10:53] did you ever figure out why that bot banned me for saying those 2 lines .. [10:53] I liked slava_dp's answer... "Bob" [10:53] have a nice weekend, guys ;) [10:53] ... [10:53] sickn3ss: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Simple_stateful_firewall [10:53] sickn3ss, Quicktables is your friend [10:53] sickn3ss: "firehol", or for GUI goodness "guarddog" will make the process of setting up iptables less onerous... [10:53] adios [10:53] didn't this come up yesterday? [10:54] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [10:54] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:54] thanks guys :D [10:54] Crunchie: it was not a ##slackware bot that kicked you out of freenode. So no, I have no idea why [10:54] VampX (~VampX@201.218.68.99) joined ##slackware. [10:54] look at all you noise you guys made and woke up alienBOB [10:54] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:55] btw, gm Skywise, arfon [10:55] morning [10:55] Action: alienBOB wiggles his tentacles [10:55] im going to install slackware on an ibm with 6gig hd and with blazing speeds of 266mhz [10:55] Nick change: Crunchie -> Destructo [10:55] gm alienBOB [10:55] gm? Is that good or bad? [10:55] Action: MLanden checks.....ok...tentacles..;) [10:55] arfon, good i hope [10:56] will i increase cause of breakage if i compile multiple packages at once? [10:56] sickn3ss: ufw - program for managing a netfilter firewall [10:56] yea but couldn't get ufw to run [10:57] stu_ that should not give you any problems except when you have bad RAM [10:57] Destructo, Master phnog? [10:57] alienBOB, cool thanks [10:58] I hope so too shonudo [10:58] has anyone noticed a decrease in the volume of spam hitting their mail servers in the past couple of months [10:58] I think when I typed "a l i e n B O B" it made his computer beep and woke him up... [10:58] heh [10:59] i used to get about 60k an hour and now its hardly any maybe not even 10k [10:59] Skywise, no; i still get way too many offers for viagra and breast enlargements [11:00] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:00] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:00] tawfiq (~tawfiq@41.250.224.133) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:01] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) joined ##slackware. [11:01] That's in interesting combination, is there something we should know? [11:01] Destructo (41585838@gateway/web/freenode/ip.65.88.88.56) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:02] i wonder the same thing [11:02] Action: arfon took care of spam. he let his mailbox fill and now all of the spam gets rejected. [11:02] guess the spammers are covering their bases [11:03] bogofilter seems to work well enough once you put together the sample folder [11:03] does virtualbox do a good job running apps compared to wine [11:04] stu_: uhmm, apples and oranges [11:04] virtualbox doesn't run 'apps'. it runs operating systems [11:04] k [11:04] Skywise, do you run large mail servers for work or similar? [11:04] ananke, i'm still not up to speed with this virtual machines thing. whats it used for? [11:05] stu_: for running operating systems [11:05] its like another computer in youir computer [11:05] stu_, virtualization -- for running an OS in an OS (virtualbox, vmware, etc) [11:05] so whatever you use operating system for is the answer [11:05] basically [11:06] not all virtualization is running from an OS. [11:06] Nick change: Wulf-is-not-here -> WireWulf [11:06] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:07] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [11:08] ouyuu (~hpo3@114.102.25.148) joined ##slackware. [11:08] sickn3ss (~sickness@109.96.206.54) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:09] okay so i wanna try out virtualbox, do i need to compile vbox-ose first or -kernel [11:09] since the readme says i need -kernel present at runtime [11:10] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7D5AF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:11] stu_: check this out, it may help explain what it is and how to install it -- http://www.basicconfig.com/linuxtips/setup_virtualbox_slackware [11:11] nyRednek (~nyrednek@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:11] sweet thanks shonudo [11:12] shonudo, yea i run all my customer's email thru a single gateway, so everyone has current antivirus and spam checking [11:13] it was hard keeping them all in sync when they were on separate hosts [11:13] Skywise, i missed the "k" at first and then i realized you had posted "60k" pieces of spam [11:13] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:14] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:14] so only the mx 20 server is available publically, thats the gateway and after the gateway it goes to mx 10 for that domain [11:14] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-31-251.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:15] tawfiq (~tawfiq@41.140.8.255) joined ##slackware. [11:15] spam clients aren't good at using backup mailservers [11:15] quick, install windows.. starcraft 2 is out [11:15] oh [11:16] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-31-251.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:16] tty3 (~tty3@unaffiliated/tty3) joined ##slackware. [11:16] 0/ [11:16] ping: cannot resolve http://www.slackware.com: Unknown host [11:17] hmm [11:17] haha [11:17] ping http ? [11:17] are you forgetting something ? [11:17] i guess the site is down but you should probably ping www.slackware.com, not http://www.slackware.com [11:18] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) joined ##slackware. [11:19] PING slackware.com (64.57.102.34): 56 data bytes [11:19] xD [11:19] unknown host means dns look up failed [11:19] Skywise, cause he was pinging http://www.slackware.com [11:19] cannot access to sl.. [11:19] yeah, maybe he should ping with wget [11:20] but the server is down anyway [11:20] its friday, it prolly just went out for a beer [11:22] zing [11:22] Nick change: iPerl -> iSlackware [11:22] Nick change: iSlackware -> iGentoo [11:22] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:23] lack iWindows :( [11:23] no one is that crazy [11:24] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:24] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:24] PING slackware.com (64.57.102.34): 56 data bytes [11:24] 64 bytes from 64.57.102.34: icmp_seq=405 ttl=46 time=273.006 ms [11:24] 64 bytes from 64.57.102.34: icmp_seq=406 ttl=46 time=274.014 ms [11:24] Channel flood from tty3 -- kicking [11:24] 64 bytes from 64.57.102.34: icmp_seq=407 ttl=46 time=268.861 ms [11:24] tty3 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [11:25] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [11:25] o_0 ;) [11:25] Bummer... neither URL or IP resolving here... :-( [11:25] IP just resolved [11:25] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:25] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:25] the site is up for me [11:26] tty3 (~tty3@unaffiliated/tty3) joined ##slackware. [11:26] ups! sorry [11:26] its up now [11:26] bellman (~bellman@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [11:26] twas down before [11:26] sure it was :P [11:26] VampX (~VampX@201.218.68.99) left irc: Quit: VampX [11:26] you can tell by how snappy it is, that it was just restarted [11:26] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [11:27] waabimiigwan (~steven@106-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:28] i wonder if that guy was elmer fudd's cleric [11:28] yeah, it bites new packets shortly after downtime. beware, sloppy pingers! [11:28] tawfiq (~tawfiq@41.140.8.255) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:31] how i can find which process is blocking alsa to work? [11:31] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [11:31] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:31] aarchvile: lsof [11:33] thanks [11:33] Nick change: WireWulf -> Wulf-is-not-here [11:33] this is why i hate adobe flash.. it always blocks alsa [11:33] flash is evil [11:33] yeah [11:35] aarchvile: yeah, same here. After 30 minutes, I have to restart Firefox. [11:36] i don't think it ever surrenders resources even after you close the page [11:36] thats why i prefer lynx [11:37] tsccof (~tsccof@189-10-130-197.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:37] firefox is very bloated nowadays [11:37] i still run 2.0 [11:38] not being compatible with new crap out on websites is an advantage [11:38] uzbl-browser is alpha but works fairly well [11:38] version 3 is something of a beast; don't know why the bloating is necessary [11:38] all i need with my browser is adblock and noscript [11:39] does anyone use konqueror as their browser? [11:39] yeah, somewhat [11:39] only until they realize its not firefox [11:39] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:39] lol [11:40] KaMii: btw - seti-at-home is a program that allows nasa to use your unusec cpu cycles to process satellite pictures for them [11:40] unused cpu cyles rather [11:41] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.115.6.156) joined ##slackware. [11:41] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [11:41] v4nelle (~van@78-99-105.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:42] yarvin (~yarvin@64.134.151.238) joined ##slackware. [11:43] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:44] ouyuu (~hpo3@114.102.25.148) left irc: Quit: ‚» [11:46] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:47] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:47] g4tsu (~g4tsu@178.146.194-77.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:47] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-70-18-157-112.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:49] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:53] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [11:54] eh? i compiled and installed virtualbox-ose but can't see it in the menu or run from console? [11:54] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:54] stu_ (~stuart@175.144.255.8) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:55] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host81-159-254-193.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:56] now it shows ... too bad Stu_ missed the good news. [11:56] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-186-247-36.range86-186.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [11:56] oh ok alisonken1home thanks [11:57] im not doing that... hehe [11:58] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:01] KaMii, I used to help Distributed.net and it makes your boxx stay at 100% utilization when you do. [12:02] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7D5AF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:02] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-85-202.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:03] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:03] stu_ (~stuart@175.144.255.8) joined ##slackware. [12:04] hm this is weird, i compiled and installed both virtualbox-ose and virtualbox-kernel but there's no such program in the pc? [12:04] yarvin (yarvin@64.134.151.238) left ##slackware. [12:05] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.158.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:05] stu_, it must be in there somewhere [12:05] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.115.6.156) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:05] did you get any errors on the install? [12:06] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.162.135) joined ##slackware. [12:06] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7D5AF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:07] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. [12:09] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:12] has anyone here gotten QuakeLIVE to work? [12:12] it installed fine, but when i try to launch the game this happens: http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6042/qlfail.png [12:12] slackie_ (~x@bl4-86-132.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [12:12] it is apparently an error message, but the text is so blurry that i can't make out any characters [12:13] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) left irc: Quit: changing servers [12:13] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) joined ##slackware. [12:14] tsccof (~tsccof@189-10-130-197.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:14] Alt_of_Ctrl (~Inacio@a85-139-195-70.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:15] Alt_of_Ctrl (~Inacio@a85-139-195-70.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:15] zaltekk, i never played quake live, but imho q3a with ioquake is superb [12:15] you can try it [12:17] my q3a cd is about 1h45m away(round trip) [12:17] i have a feeling the issue is a lack of multilib support or a punkbuster problem [12:17] but like i said, the error is unreadable [12:18] google says nothing? [12:18] about the error that i can't type into google? [12:18] lol, no [12:19] about the blurring screen [12:19] the first result on google for slackware quakelive is about it working fine on 13.0 [12:19] or about video problems [12:19] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:19] so downgrade :-) [12:21] Nick change: antiwire -> evilwire [12:21] no thanks [12:21] i bet that wouldn't fix it anyway [12:23] btw first fix the video, then eventually search for the error [12:24] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-195-062.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:24] evilwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: None [12:24] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:25] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:25] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:27] nearly home time! =) [12:27] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [12:28] and its friday [12:29] john_dee (~id@95-29-190-46.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:29] novacrust (~Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:30] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:31] Ansa89: i created a thread in the technical support forum. sadly there aren't any people with the same issue(linux video return no related results, blurry returned no related results...) [12:32] neBu (1000@89.114.10.206) joined ##slackware. [12:33] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:33] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [12:34] zaltekk, doh [12:34] spiraliz (~spiraliz@90.149.153.177) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:34] :-( [12:36] all of the support threads(except for the single one about mac) are for windows [12:37] for that reason i switched to ioquake [12:37] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:38] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:38] iGentoo (~cfy@122.87.168.156) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:40] I use openarena [12:40] Guest11978 (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:40] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [12:41] im still loving the orig q3a for linux version. \m/ [12:41] oa is good, but i prefer q3a [12:41] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Client Quit [12:41] Guest11978 (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:41] yeah I have the q3a linux cd still [12:42] q3a orig version uses oss (not alsa) and that give me some problems [12:42] dont get me started on "i still have that CD", antiwire ... Belinda Carlisle ... ;) [12:42] who is Belinda? [12:42] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@189-041-138-053.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:42] i thought it was John Galt? [12:42] that one flew over my at 747 speeds and altitude [12:44] :S i just got kicked out of the kitchen [12:44] kitchen...that reminds me, i haven't ate anything yet today [12:45] waffle iron + fire.... :S [12:45] thats my third fire in the kitchen and i got kicked out [12:45] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:46] youre banned from my kitchen too now, KaMii [12:46] did you burn the kitchen down? [12:46] no [12:46] not yet [12:46] :S [12:46] fake fire? lame. [12:47] dont tell me you just farted. [12:47] Action: jg71 looks at topic and moves on... [12:48] john_dee (~id@95-29-190-46.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:48] no there were flames [12:48] stu_ (~stuart@175.144.255.8) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:48] ok the first time, ya that was my fault, but the second time, totally not my fault and this time... no idea what happened it wasnt me [12:49] oh my pappa just said he put oil inside the waffle iron, and no one told me, thats why... so it wasnt my fauld [12:49] How do you catch a waffle on fire???? [12:49] i guess i'll install openarena and make sure that the problem is only with quakelive [12:49] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:49] Ah.... [12:49] :S [12:50] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-195-062.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:50] stu_ (~stuart@175.144.255.8) joined ##slackware. [12:50] You have an old waffle iron? [12:50] non-non-stick kind? [12:51] its the old castiron kind you put on the stove [12:51] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:52] I <3 cast iron [12:52] castiron + KaMii = fire [12:52] AH, so he oiled it to prevent rust and you didn't clean it first... [12:52] tty3 (~tty3@unaffiliated/tty3) left irc: Quit: 0/ [12:52] clean it first? [12:52] you have to do that? [12:53] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [12:53] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [12:53] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:53] KaMii, always lube your cast iron with bacon grease before cooking.... [12:53] bacon grease??? ewwwww [12:53] we use olive oil [12:53] Usually, there's too much oil (oil it before you store it) and the oil can go rancid. [12:54] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:54] I use beef tallow [12:54] sissies [12:54] and the cat then eats it [12:54] Bacon grease makes EVERYTHINGtaste better [12:54] bacon grease is an acceptable substitute - added flavor, plus you can add the bacon bits to the waffle mix [12:54] bacon grease + brownies = vomit [12:54] Oh, you just don't know K [12:54] ewwwwww you people are gross [12:55] bacon grease makes EVERYTHING taste better... [12:55] that must be the Ken part of alisonken1home [12:55] KaMii: correct :) [12:55] Maybe but we don't catch waffles on fire. :P [12:55] easy guess since the allison part doesn't IRC [12:55] Zosma (jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:55] Zosma (jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:55] no we clean the pan first..... [12:55] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:55] shes missing out on your cooking tips [12:56] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:56] nope - we share [12:56] (and have never used bacon grease that way!) [12:56] more than just spit [12:56] and she likes bacon bit waffles with rancid bacon greese? [12:56] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:56] if used properly, the bacon grease cooks into the waffle, so there's no rancid grease left [12:56] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:57] YUM! [12:57] I want some of that. [12:57] :S alisonken1home allrecipes.com [12:57] submit it [12:57] i need a new waffle iron [12:57] you don't puddle the grease in the waffle iron, just spread it lightly with a brush [12:57] I always think About high end transmissions when I see the name alison [12:57] preferably something that can make 2 and has a bell that goes off when its done so you don't have to sit and watch it [12:57] just like you would butter or margarine [12:57] it's a good thing [12:57] http://www.allisontransmission.com/ [12:57] different spelling [12:58] antiwire: I always thought of Allison Diesels myself [12:58] hehe [12:58] K, the way you seaon cast iron is to burn oil into it's surface [12:58] The oil burns and turns into carbon which makes the iron black AND non-stick [12:58] The carbon also give flavor and inhibits rust [12:58] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [12:58] i alwasy think of a carburator when I hear the name holly [12:58] you just oil the pan and stick in in the over for a few hours [12:58] arfon: you do that with corn/olive/whatever oil first couple of uses, after that, bacon grease works wonders [12:58] i always think of red dwarf when i hear holly [12:58] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:58] Action: arfon is a Carter Carb man [12:59] but we dont eat much bacon [12:59] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:59] so where do I get the greese? [12:59] dual Holly's work for me :) [12:59] it doesn't take much bacon to get grease [12:59] Ken, I like the spray on olive oil to season... I like to cook with the bacon grease. [12:59] KaMii: you save t when you cook bacon [12:59] Cook some bacon... duh [13:00] :S my mamma just said no bacon, because I will probably burn the house down [13:00] heh [13:00] Smart woman, your mom [13:00] only one fire was my fault [13:00] i'd choose no bacon over living outside too [13:01] The other? [13:01] others... [13:01] unless outside has high speed internet [13:01] and a waterproof computer [13:05] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) joined ##slackware. [13:06] m3tti (~harlekin@p57B7D5AF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:06] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:08] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:09] anyone knows bout logs ine here? [13:09] cant find it [13:10] Nick change: antiwire -> DoubleRainbowOMG [13:10] find what, logs? [13:10] i found an unkwon pic in my /home folder [13:10] Nick change: DoubleRainbowOMG -> antiwire [13:11] created yesterday [13:11] never seen this [13:11] what's the pic of? :> [13:11] lol [13:11] a boy and a girl with glasses [13:11] quite common [13:12] rirombo (~user@h113.187.19.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [13:12] for system logs, see /var/log/ [13:12] yep [13:12] i tailed some of [13:13] but got no ip's or else... [13:14] what is /pts0 [13:15] pts/0 sorry [13:18] anywhezre i can paste the strange logs? [13:18] a pastebin I guess? [13:18] Action: alienBOB suspects that chris_scummette is our dear cpunches in disguise [13:18] lol [13:18] i dont know him [13:19] he seems cool anyway [13:19] yeah a pastebin [13:20] :) [13:20] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:20] i found out weird lines out there... [13:20] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [13:21] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.99) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:21] Nick change: kacbep -> EVIL|NICK_HERE [13:22] http://pastebin.com/fV1Lne8T [13:22] OMG, IRSSI looks so nice in a large font and with colors! [13:23] zomg [13:23] seems harmless chris_scummette [13:23] locale en_us [13:23] iPerl (~cfy@122.87.168.156) joined ##slackware. [13:23] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:23] surely not me since im FR [13:24] oh yep harmless i guess but weird! [13:24] iPerl (~cfy@122.87.168.156) left irc: Client Quit [13:24] but accessing polkit through KDE? [13:25] ?!#? [13:27] the way my windows move has changed too... [13:28] im new to SW its kind of afraiding [13:28] so i wanted to know if connexions were stored and where [13:29] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] things like ssh connections should be in /var/log/messages [13:29] IIRC [13:30] as root: cat /var/log/messages | grep ssh [13:31] iPerl (~cfy@122.87.168.156) joined ##slackware. [13:31] iPerl_ (~cfy@122.87.168.156) joined ##slackware. [13:31] iPerl__ (~cfy@122.87.168.156) joined ##slackware. [13:32] ok arfon i checked, nothing special found [13:35] iPerl___ (~cfy@122.87.168.156) joined ##slackware. [13:35] |Slacker| (~cris@189.26.12.51.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:36] Is that not a little over the top iPerl iPerl_ iPerl__ iPerl___ ? Looks like you are bringing a bot into the channel which we do not allow. [13:38] Isn't that Robot discrimination? What would Bender say? [13:38] |Slacker| (~cris@189.26.12.51.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:38] Bend over [13:38] Unless you g=have bacon grease... [13:39] The fact that he joined 4 times in a few minutes and does not answer to a ping says it all... [13:39] iPerl_ (~cfy@122.87.168.156) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:39] iPerl (~cfy@122.87.168.156) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:39] iPerl__ (~cfy@122.87.168.156) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:39] Well well [13:39] Yep [13:40] i found this [13:40] http://pastebin.com/KnWbFXE3 [13:40] iPerl___ (~cfy@122.87.168.156) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:40] revel0 (~revel0@212.88.117.162) left irc: Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~ [13:40] blueman mechanism [13:40] wtf! [13:41] Blueman is bluetooth manager [13:41] yeah [13:41] |Slacker| (~cris@201.86.33.68.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:41] never use this [13:43] |Slacker| (~cris@201.86.33.68.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:44] is your /etc/rc.d/rc.bluetooth set to execute? [13:44] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-70-18-157-112.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] no [13:45] |Slacker| (~cris@201.86.33.68.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:45] Action: arfon is curious as to what alienBOB found... [13:46] I may be wrong but, I think you need rc.bluetooth to load the modules before blueman can do anything. [13:46] tpocra (~kvirc@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:46] yep [13:47] even if it had a graphical thing with this id never use it since i got no bluetooth material at home [13:47] rc.alsa* rc.bluetooth rc.fuse* [13:48] Blueman starts with XFCE on my box (but, I have bluetooth) [13:48] tpocra (~kvirc@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:49] obviously it has to deal with kde [13:49] for me you just need to make /etc/rc.d/rc.bluetooth executable -> reboot and Blueman Manager works [13:49] I'm using KDE, but XFCE worked just the same when I tried it [13:49] |Slacker| (~cris@201.86.33.68.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:49] yes Roin but i never want to use this [13:50] |Slacker| (~cris@201.86.33.68.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:50] dont make it executable and tell XFCE or KDE to not start it :D [13:51] |Slacker| (~cris@201.86.33.68.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:51] Why does Slackware limit the selection of usernames to lowercase caracters only? [13:51] yeah but someone did actuyally [13:52] sitwon: huh? [13:52] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [13:56] sitwon: what "selection". man useradd [13:56] Roin: the 'adduser' script and the manpage for 'useradd' imply that usernames should be limited to lowercase characters [13:56] prolly just some policy to avoid having sitwon and SiTwOn users [13:56] Usernames must start with a lower case letter or an underscore, followed by lower case letters, digits, underscores, or dashes. They can end with a dollar sign. In regular expression terms: [a-z_][a-z0-9_-]*[$ [13:57] ^^ that is from the manpage [13:57] brb [13:57] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:57] ok [13:58] Roin: I guess my question is why is that being enforced by the OS, it prevents the use of usernames like "JohnDoe" [13:58] it also prevents duplicates that only differ in case [13:58] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [13:58] thats what I mean [13:59] maybe for compatibility means [13:59] back in the days [13:59] I've never seen usernames with diffrent cases anyway [13:59] I guess what I'm saying is that there should be other ways to enforce such a policy without crushing the case [13:59] and on some other well known OS usernames arent case sensitive at all [14:00] Debian, Gentoo, RedHat all support mixed-case usernames. I check POSIX and SUS and mixed-case is allowed. [14:00] spiraliz (~spiraliz@72.81-167-30.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [14:01] according to SUS a username is limited only by the portable filename character set [14:01] http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/V1_chap03.html#tag_03_429 [14:02] sitwon: login: login names, aka usernames, are alphanumeric, 8 characters long, and unique. Windows and some Linux distributions allow for longer login names, and names which use spaces or other special characters. To insure portability between operating systems, it is practical to cater to the lowest common denominator and limit it to 8 charaters. They are case sensitive and best kept all lowercase, especially since sendmail and other mailers expect low [14:04] my username is only 5 chars [14:04] but yeah i guess its about portability [14:05] httpd.conf is LISTEN (port) comma, space or line delimited for multiple ports? [14:05] arfon: Listen 80 Listen 443 [14:06] TY [14:06] arfon: one port per listen directive. [14:06] listen carefully [14:06] lol [14:08] To what port jg? [14:09] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-70-18-157-112.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:10] Action: arfon misses /var/www/htdocs :( [14:11] oda (~oda@unaffiliated/oda) joined ##slackware. [14:11] Nick change: NaCly -> NaCl [14:11] arfon: umm? [14:13] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [14:14] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [14:14] waabimiigwan (~steven@106-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:14] Default httpd webpages USE TO be in /var/www/htdocs... Now they are in /srv/httpd/htdocs [14:14] why move? [14:15] Trying to adhere to standards [14:15] standards should adhere to slackware [14:15] Sure, but the world does not see it that way [14:15] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:15] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [14:17] motaro (~ricardori@190.166.108.188) joined ##slackware. [14:17] I got a new behaviour on my computer that I'm not getting [14:17] Oh look, /srv/httpd/htdocs is symlinked to /var/www/htdocs... I see Debian's insidiuos influence with their love of symlinks [14:18] Next we're going to get that dumd ENABLED_SITES directory... :( [14:18] dumb BTW [14:18] when I hit F[1-5] I get A,B,C,D,E respectevily [14:19] in capital letters! [14:19] arfon: sometimes a pun is just a pun. tough world, i know.... [14:19] Jg, are you singing to me? :) [14:19] So if I combine it with Alt + F[#], I can't change text consoles. [14:20] arfon: if you know a-ha ... might be possible. not likely, tho. [14:20] Tsooi (~scruffy@ti0125a380-0499.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [14:20] okay, so i got quakelive to work with slackware 13.1 [14:20] Sorry jg, I never "took them on". Even back in the 80s.... [14:20] arfon: that won't happen. [14:20] apparently you need libpng12.so instead of libpng14.so, so you have to launch firefox with LD_PRELOAD for libpng12 [14:20] then it works fine [14:21] What, the sites_enabled directory? [14:21] arfon: the site-enabled crap will never be used with slackware [14:21] OH THANK GOD!!! Someo kiss Patrick for me [14:21] arfon: jammed my pearls up early on too. oh the memory. [14:22] arfon: the symlink to /var/www/htdocs was used to support legacy setups. [14:22] Peral Jam was after my teenage years... Iwas hot for Pat Benetar [14:22] Pearl [14:23] wise choice. cher would have been worse. [14:23] Action: jg71 turns back slime [14:23] Well, I'm gonna keep using /var/www/htdocs! To hell with this Redhat/debian kissy kissy stuff [14:23] im not even using httpd on my installs ... lighty ftw [14:23] I have always felt that Cher is a walking petri-dish [14:24] /etc/alternatives is the proof you don't want the debian paths [14:24] ruuun to the hills, or, the more recently hyped version (thanks, 4chan?), get to the choppah! [14:24] arfon: it's actually FHS that's to blame [14:24] heh, that's a random quote to open screen to =P [14:24] arfon: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM [14:25] o/ * [14:25] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-85-202.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [14:25] Yeah, I know sitmon but, I'm sure that Redhat, debian et al had some influence [14:25] That's some anchor! [14:26] arfon: sure, so did Novell and Sun and Apple and HP and Canonical and anyone else with a *nix-like OS who likes subsribing to standards body mailing lists [14:27] My question is, WHY did they pick /srv/www? [14:27] at least it was only three letters :P [14:27] phrag: see the first noobfarm quote? that's the one I killed noobfarm with ;-) [14:27] whats you philosophy of slackware of choosing base packages ? [14:28] arfon: because it makes sense. /srv is for site-specific data that is being served... which describes web content to a 't'. [14:28] I'm looking at my old hp-ux box and it doesn't even have a /srv [14:28] adrien: heh, just seen that =P [14:29] I dont recall old versions of Linux having one either (though I may be wrong) [14:29] Sit, I thought that was what VAR was for... [14:29] arfon: According to the FHS, the /var filesystem is for local services/data such as printer spools or log files... stuff that isn't being served. [14:30] Change is bad. Hmmpf! [14:30] the separation between /var and /srv is relatively recent, but a smart move. Like the separation between /mnt for permanent mounts and /media for transient mounts [14:31] Action: arfon still mounts everything under /mnt [14:31] adrien: one of my personal favs.. http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1164 [14:31] arfon: if you don't like change, I have a DOS 6.11 disk for you. Or maybe you just want to borrow my Atari 800XL... [14:31] phrag: HAHAHA, I had never seen that one :P [14:31] thanks ^^ [14:31] hehe [14:32] NO WAY! I'm NOT giving up my CP/M for that DOS crap! [14:32] I even have an old dialup modem so you can go on the BBSs [14:32] Thanks sit, but I have several of those. [14:32] or wardial your neighbors [14:33] ?me has an Atari 400 [14:33] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@189-041-138-053.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [14:33] Action: arfon can't type "/" correctly [14:33] fear of change is unhealthy. I would be more understanding if you had a rational and logical objection to the layout but your only complaint seems to be that you are unfamiliar with it. [14:34] g4tsu-cloud (~g4tsu@87-98-187-130.kimsufi.com) joined ##slackware. [14:34] No the problem that I have with change is that it usually is a pain in the ass for no real gain... Like /srv/hhtp.... [14:35] Okay so it's more like everyone else but, what app would care about where the default docs are for apache? [14:36] then there's the /mnt /media thing... [14:37] We lived this long with /mnt/fd0 and /mnt/hda1 all under the same dir [14:37] arfon: the reason for having a standard is so that packages that need to install files into your .../www folder know where to find the .../www folder. [14:37] arfon: yes, but that was before we had the ability to mount devices as /media/ which is a usability improvement [14:37] I know. and I can agree with that for things like /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin.... [14:38] but /srv/www???? [14:38] I'm sorry, fstab happliy mounted mythumb drives automatically before /media came along [14:39] especially with USB devices... you can have over 128 USB drives, are you going to manually create all those folder in /mnt/ just so your users can mount as many usb drives as they want? [14:39] (you should see my fstab) [14:39] I just copy and paste it from one machine to another [14:39] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:39] pim_ (1000@slacker.student.utwente.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:40] I know there are crazies out there doing stupid shit (I'm lookin at you RMS) but it's more sensible to let it automatically create the directory and mount the drive based on the volume name [14:40] Actually, my fstab has sda1,2,3,4 sdb1,2,3,4 sdc1,2,3,4 and sdd1,2,3,4 [14:41] sit, this is part of my plan to live forever... get grouchier as I get old [14:41] it is also a practical improvement because you know every time you plug in a given USB device it will be accessible as /media/XYZ rather than having to know the arbitrary device node that you happened to be assigned [14:43] v4nelle (~van@78-99-105.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:50] arfon: so since you brought up CP/M and the Atari 400 you seem like just the type of oldtimer that might remember the TRS-80 first-hand [14:50] sitwon: i remember it, firsthand [14:50] how the hell do you save a BASIC program to a floppy disk? [14:51] mk_ (~10@187.65.73.2) joined ##slackware. [14:51] I was at HOPE last weekend and after writing about 200 lines of BASIC into a TRS-80 we couldn't figure out how to save it [14:51] sitwon: i don't remember exactly *that*...just a moment [14:52] sitwon: iow, i'm gonna go look it up [14:52] I tried googling but all we found was instruction for saving to a tape... and the system didn't have a tape drive, just two built-in 5.25" [14:55] I have MANY TRS-80s [14:56] My first computer (that I owned) was a TRS-80 Model II' [14:56] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-186-217.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:56] My father bought it for me in 1982 [14:57] sitwon: the command is "save" [14:57] grazymax (~grazymax@host57-4-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:57] sitwon: you are required, however, to enter the entire path, with 0:\ being the top drive, 1:\ being the bottom drive [14:57] Señores y Señoras. I need help with the function keys its a pain that you can't change TTY [14:58] OHHhhh......... [14:58] yea, we definitely messed that up [14:58] I as trying A: through E: [14:58] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:59] sitwon: trsdos didn't assign drive letters, but numbers [14:59] Action: sitwon didn't know that [14:59] my first computer was an IBM PS/1 [14:59] Windows 3.1 [15:00] Yep, drive 0,1,2,3 [15:00] I had 8", all my friends has a 5.25 :) [15:01] I've never even seen an 8" IRL [15:01] I was the nerd with the biggest drive in school :) [15:01] I've got a box full of those too. The drives and the discettes [15:01] sitwon: personally, i had a CoCoIII [15:01] I <3 Shugart 8" [15:01] you should program them and show them off at cons like HOPE [15:02] sitwon: which means i didn't have a disc drive [15:02] my coworker just purchased 2T drives for his 16-bay raid array he has in his closet at his house [15:02] How that casette drive work for ya? [15:02] sitwon: i never put the trsdos chip on my mainboard [15:03] arfon: you know how unreliable a tape drive can be [15:03] Only 2 ken? What about the other 14? [15:03] nyRednek: how did you save your code? [15:03] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-70-18-157-112.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:03] csave [15:03] arfon: read it again :) [15:03] or do I have to spell it out? [15:03] sitwon: with a radio shack tape drive [15:03] it had a tape port on the back of the console [15:04] alisonken1home: is that one array or multiple arrays? [15:04] Redneck, when I finally got a vic-20 (because there were NO games for the Model II), I didn't have enough money for the cassette player so I made the op-amp cheat. That was pretty unreliable :) [15:04] 16-drive array with 2T drives in it [15:04] his personal toy he plays with at his house [15:05] somebody having a TRS80 flashback?.... what was that portable that journalists used? [15:05] wow... I assume he's using RAID-6? that's still a crazy amount of storage [15:05] raid 6-1 I believe he said [15:05] I have 1 TRS-80 Model 4 portable also [15:05] the cassette drives weren't reliable due to the chance of data corruption [15:06] (my wife HATES my collection) [15:06] MLanden: remember the TI-99? :) [15:06] Kevin` (~kevin@CPE-72-133-198-144.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:06] Model 4..that's it [15:06] also, you needed to csave multiple copies of them, so that you would have one if a tape decided to stretch [15:06] Yep, looks like a sewing machine [15:06] one of my bosses on my first ship had the ti99/4a [15:06] yeah..alisonken1home...the 4/a...never saw the earlier model [15:07] KVM / qemu can use raw unformatted LVM logical volumes for virtual machines :D [15:07] Nick change: dive -> evil|dive [15:07] ROKO__ (~ROKO__@2001:470:1f0b:655::10) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:07] ROKO__ (~ROKO__@h4x0r.gentoo.ltd.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:07] cool thing with the ti-99 4/a was allophone programming(speech synthesis) [15:08] among other things [15:11] the one we were hacking on looked something like this, but I think it was a Model 4 http://people.virginia.edu/~dg6n/classes/0405.1.fall.mdst110/lectures/pictures/trs80-iii.jpg [15:12] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@75-132-181-155.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:12] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:12] hello [15:13] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:13] Hello Crash [15:14] heya crashdata [15:14] :) [15:16] does RAID 1 have the same performance as RAID 10 ? [15:18] sickn3ss (~sickness@89.123.174.216) joined ##slackware. [15:18] muahahaha [15:18] dustybin: depends if it's software or hardware raid [15:18] oh god i dont want to go here again :D [15:19] isnt raid 1 mirror? just do raid 0+1 [15:20] raid 10 = mirror, just with extra drives [15:20] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:20] isnt 0+1 mirror and striping? [15:20] would be much better... [15:20] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:21] fAu (~fAu@78.134.6.96) joined ##slackware. [15:22] lol nvm i just realized raid 10 is the same as raid 0+1 [15:22] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [15:22] raid 0 means you can put lots of drives together to make it look like 1 space [15:22] raid 1 = mirror [15:23] raid 0 is striping [15:24] a bit of a misnomer actually as there is no redundancy and it actually increases risk of data loss [15:24] uB`off (ublucas@2001:470:e056:1:2::) joined ##slackware. [15:24] uB`off (ublucas@2001:470:e056:1:2::) left irc: Excess Flood [15:24] raid 10 should only be use for performance [15:24] uB`off (ublucas@Ariel.Atlantica.US.TO) joined ##slackware. [15:24] NyteOwl, only if the drive fails but if the raid hardware fails [15:25] i heard its pretty hard to remount the raid with even the same hardware [15:25] im sure lots of ESX boxes are RAID 10 configured [15:25] Nick change: uB`off -> er0s [15:25] i was running fake raid for a while [15:25] er0s (ublucas@Ariel.Atlantica.US.TO) left ##slackware. [15:25] makes alot of diff [15:25] raid 10 is fairly robust. the array can lose two drives before becoming unrecoverable. RAID 50 is even better [15:26] both however are costly in terms of the number of drives involved [15:26] i wad mine configure as striping with 128 data transfer..it was good on games [15:27] but it would screw up when i'm converting movies [15:27] rtcg (~justdizgu@mail.richardthecomputerguy.com) joined ##slackware. [15:28] but with all those hd wouldnt it be better to just use SSD? [15:28] for performance? [15:28] ssd's still have write issues - limited number of writes before failure [15:29] So. what is the best way for me to extract xz archives from 13.1/source dirs on a slack 12.0 box? [15:29] SSD has write limitations and there is a cost factor with SSD. It's still not cost effective for drive arrays except in certain limited applications [15:30] ic [15:30] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:31] for the cost of a single good quality 64GB SSD you can get two 1-2TB hard drives [15:31] sometiems 3 [15:32] it makes SSD's impractical except for applications that require maximum speed over cost [15:32] the old rule applies: cost, speed, capacity; pick 2 :) [15:33] i'm thinking of building a storage server [15:33] bridged networking is excellent :D [15:33] i have an old pc...if I buy a sata controller [15:34] rtcg (justdizgu@mail.richardthecomputerguy.com) left ##slackware. [15:34] even with the sata controller i'm not thinking of doing raid..but will this degrade the speed? [15:34] eth0: will have no IP [15:34] of the drive? using old pc and adding pci sata controller [15:35] br0: will now have my box IP, and it will also act as a switch for all the VMs on my box [15:35] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:35] compared to having the drive controller on a PCIe bus it will be slower. depending on your applciation you might not notice. The network may be more of a bottlneck than the controller bus [15:36] good to know [15:36] dustybin: bridged firewalls and proxies are nice as they can't be remotely accessed. hell the remote won't even know they'r there [15:36] thanks... [15:36] welcome [15:37] Destructo (~chatzilla@12.232.59.217) joined ##slackware. [15:37] i'm gonna go with a 3 drive raid 1 array using 3tb drives [15:37] hey hey. [15:38] Skywise: RAID 1 typically requires an even number of drives [15:38] not really [15:38] they're all the same mirror [15:38] you could have 4 or 5 copies if you wanted [15:38] yoummean 3 drives mirrored to 3 other drives? [15:38] since i don't need more capacity then 3tb [15:38] hello all. im having a hard time with xorg stuff. in user or root, when i try to run xorgconfig it doenst do anything it returns command not found or something like that [15:38] Destructo: 13.1? [15:38] i don't want to risk losing 3tb at once [15:39] xorgsetup works, but Xconfigure doesnt [15:39] adrien yes [15:39] so using 2 mirrors provides more reliability then just using 1 mirror [15:39] you most probably don't need an xorg.conf [15:39] I misunderstood what you meant, sorry [15:39] there's a readme somewhere but I can't remember, someone will certainly know :P [15:39] Skywise: what is the total number of disks? [15:39] 3 [15:39] no RAID 1 [15:39] adrien when i installed i picked fluxbox, when i rebooted i get console login. [15:39] you need 4 [15:39] nope [15:40] yes [15:40] each drive is a complete mirror [15:40] you could do RAID-5 [15:40] you can have as many mirrors as you want [15:40] Skywise: ohhh [15:40] I think Sky is right... [15:40] then you have 2 mirrors of 1 drive [15:40] no, raid-5 is too fragile [15:40] adrien im not on the laptop right now, but i wanted to get some ideas. [15:40] Skywise: what size is the disk [15:40] 3tb [15:40] 3TB disks? [15:40] yeah [15:40] where do you get those? [15:40] i have a pcmcia wireless adapter i need to TRY to get working [15:40] segate [15:41] Destructo, i dont think u need to run xorgconfig [15:41] $200 [15:41] Skywise: sata? [15:41] yeah [15:41] jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze [15:41] crashdata . what do i need [15:41] they might be down to $150 by now [15:41] i thought 2TB was the max [15:41] it was [15:41] heh [15:41] 3 came out this summer [15:41] you shouldnt have to just startx [15:41] Skywise: that means you have 9TB of space [15:41] alisonken1home: have you read this? http://robert.penz.name/137/no-swap-partition-journaling-filesystem-on-a-ssd/ [15:41] Destructo: S does autoconfig now - you only need to configure if you have non-standard hardware or nonstandard config [15:42] no, i just have 3 copies of 3tb [15:42] jbod or lvm would have 9tb [15:42] Destructo, just type startx [15:42] sitwon: yep [15:42] alisonken1home: and you still think SSD is not suitable because of the limited writes? [15:42] Skywise: i would RAID-1 2 of those drives, and make the other one external and take it away from your home [15:42] sitwon: as noted earlier - it [15:42] crashdata startx gives me a blank scren [15:42] i think ssd is a great candidate for a primary drive [15:42] Skywise: remote backup ftw [15:43] Sky, why do you say RAID 5 is too fragile? [15:43] 's a tradeoff between speed, cost, and longevity - pick any 2 [15:43] from bare iron? remote restore sounds awful [15:43] Destructo, might sound stupid..but u are login right? [15:43] unless you're in a noc or have defined requirements for high-speed access, then SSD's are just expensive toys [15:43] arfon, because when you have a drive fail, you can often have another failure during reconstruction and lose the whole array [15:44] Hot spare buddy! [15:44] crashdata when it reboots it gives me a login. i log in as a user i created, then i startx and i get a blank screen [15:44] how did u add ur user? [15:44] RAID 5 has saved my tush several times [15:44] i think i'd use ssd for / and then a raid for storage [15:44] useradd etc.. [15:44] no do adduser [15:44] no more often then raid 1 would of [15:45] thats what i meant [15:45] alisonken1home: I would argue that because a lot of desktop use case are IO heavy and spinning disks are more of a bottle neck these days when people have 4+GB and C2D or newer processors [15:45] Skywise: Agreed SSD's are great for the main system and conventional drives for data store [15:45] useradd u have to manually add the home folder group , etc [15:45] i adduser after the f first login as root [15:45] and raid5 has the additional computational overhead to generate the parity bits [15:45] But RAID 5 = more speed, more space for same # of drives [15:45] when you use an SSD you can really see a difference in performance [15:45] you do get more space, but space is cheap [15:45] RAID 5 is faster reads but slower writes [15:45] HW card does the parity [15:45] crashdata i meant adduser it was all automated [15:45] Destructo, adduser and useradd are 2 completely different command [15:45] sitwon: argue all you want - but SSD [15:45] Nick change: nix_chix0r -> evil|nix_chix0r [15:45] Destructo, ok..can u startx with root though? [15:46] nope [15:46] 's are still out of the picture for the majority of desktop users due to cost and MTBF issues [15:46] due to write limitations [15:46] using hardware raid has that lock in factor that may cause an issue if you have to change the card [15:46] ALso anyone who runs any RAID using hardware should not only have an appropriate number of spare disks handy but a spare controller as well [15:46] Destructo, try running xorgsetup using root [15:46] test34 (~test34@c-69-244-243-126.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:46] crashdata its an ibm 600 with neomagic video card or something like that neomagic maybe. im not at that laptop [15:46] test34 (~test34@c-69-244-243-126.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [15:46] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [15:47] crashdata did that.. [15:47] hardware RAID is suited for production, for home use soft RAID is perfect [15:47] alisonken1home: most credible articles I've read show the limited writes thing to be FUD [15:47] HA HA Nyte! You've never worked for a Chinese company. Those guys are C H E A P! I was lucky to get what I had [15:47] software raid is fine in production, its rather light weight [15:47] try removing /etc/X11/xorg.conf and rerun startx again [15:47] yar maybe so! [15:47] I had to buy it all as pieces and label each part as "replacement' on my POs. [15:48] dustybin: which wis why the servers and workstation at work have 3Ware controllers but my home workstation uses software RAID :) [15:48] Destructo, mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup [15:48] Skywise: software RAID will never have a controller for each port, a good hardware RAID card would, and production requires that kind of performance [15:48] the article I linked states a worst case scenario of 51 years, that's a lot longer than anyone would keep a traditional spinning disk [15:49] Destructo, then do startx [15:49] dustybin, maybe once upon a time, but most of my production machines are overhulked machines just barely taxed under typical loads [15:49] ok [15:49] crashdata did i just pm you ..? [15:49] How's them 286es doing Sky? [15:49] Skywise: i cannot find a 3TB seagate disk anywhere, do you have a link [15:49] im using seamonkey/chatzilla [15:49] Destructo, no [15:49] theys screamin [15:49] sure [15:49] one sec [15:50] :) I like Sky, he's funny [15:50] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-020-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [15:50] 286s were good enough to fly the shuttle, they only upgraded to 486s in 2000 [15:50] crashdata but doesnt it just override anayways? and what about the fact that i cant run xorgconfig [15:50] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:50] klaasvakie (~johann@vc-41-29-124-60.umts.vodacom.co.za) joined ##slackware. [15:50] unless someone has actual credible metrics that show the SSDs burn out faster than spinning disks because of the limited writes it's just speculation and FUD fueling an old myth based on the previous generation of the technology [15:51] Destructo, reason i wanted you to remove it so the system can create a new one... [15:51] anyone here use duplicity for backup? [15:51] Hey, if Minix was good enough for grand-dad, it's good enough for me. [15:51] Destructo, i think its xorgsetup now [15:51] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [15:51] arfon: Minix1 or Minix3? [15:51] SLC is rated for 100,000 writes, MLC if 10,000 beyond that use your own judgement [15:51] Sit, I think we should do a test... [15:51] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:52] Write a script to test those write cycles. [15:52] novacrust (~Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [15:52] ask someone here...i havent manually configure x since 98 [15:52] i'm looking on newegg, but they got 2tb for $100 [15:52] before it was xorg [15:52] crashdata or so no more xorgconfig ..? that doesnt sound right.. i vaguely remember using that on a coouple of failed installs [15:53] and Xconfigure doenst do anything either [15:53] arfon: sh -c 'while true ; do cat /dev/urandom > /dev/sda ; done' [15:53] damn 98 [15:53] have u tried xorgsetup [15:54] sitwon: remember, those calculations that he uses are based on lab-spec writes - not real-world writes [15:54] Where's teh write count Sit? [15:54] and also assumes that your system will not be creating multiple temporary files - which a normal desktop does a _lot_ of [15:54] Destructo, yah man i don't htink xorgsetup exist anymore [15:54] xorgconfig i mean [15:55] dustybin, its on the seagate online store for $249 its the free agent go flex desk [15:55] alisonken1home: yes, but my point is that it's the closest to a credible benchmark we have unless you can point to some credible real-world metrics [15:55] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:56] According to Seagate's website the largest barracude HDD they make is 2GB [15:56] also I don't see him anywhere making the assumption that you will not be creating a lot of temporary files [15:56] actually, the makers have shorter times that that article states - and they're trying to get you to buy them, which should tell you something [15:56] er 2 TB [15:57] alisonken1home: I've hear very similar metrics from Scott Moulton who is certainly NOT just selling drives. [15:57] chris_scummette (~chris_scu@ABordeaux-551-1-63-4.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:57] feeling a little bored so im going to try to setup a vfs [15:57] wish me luck [15:58] KaMii: good luck!! [15:58] sitwon: ok - then why doesn't he address the issue of how ssd's must write large block areas (unlike hard drives which can write individual sectors)? [15:58] or nfs [15:58] not sure what the difference is in the two names [15:58] sitwon: you must remember that ssd's are not hard drives - and you have to look at more than just what he put up [15:58] I wonder if they're using compression on those. Doesn't make much sense to offer an external with more capacity than their internal drives [15:58] One starts with V and the other N [15:58] haha arfon [15:59] well i typed in vfs linux in google and I got a help page about NFS [15:59] I'm just saying that using the numbers he wrote (51 years) is based on a falacy of how average desktop usage goes [15:59] NyteOwl, early press releases had said the internal would be released along side [16:00] KaMii, what are you trying to do? [16:00] k [16:00] alisonken1home: so can you propose a better method? [16:00] we can re-run the number and check the results [16:00] Isis___ (~aaa@186.18.225.130) joined ##slackware. [16:00] chris_scummette (~chris_scu@ABordeaux-551-1-63-4.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:01] arfon, well is there a difference between nfs and vfs [16:01] i want to have a file server [16:01] and put that on my slackintosh [16:01] and share my extrenal hdd [16:01] sitwon: yes - put a wrapper in the kernel that counts the writes to hard drive - including the sizes of the writes- so you can then calculate how many block writes occur on the ssd. Then you can start to get a metric on real-world usage rather than the theoretical usage of how many bytes/sec X write endurance [16:02] lulinha (~dummy@nkvd.ath.cx) joined ##slackware. [16:02] lulinha (dummy@nkvd.ath.cx) left ##slackware. [16:02] ok, lulinha is most probably a spammer or something [16:02] take into account the ssd that you're writing to and _how_ it writes blocks - it it 1K blocks is it 1M blocks? because _every_ write means a whole block gets written [16:03] I don't know many people involved in slackware, ocaml, webkit-gtk, slackware-offtopic, xfs, tmux [16:03] (I only know one :-) ) [16:03] and by blocks - it's not the blocks that the kernel uses, but how the _device_ defines blocks [16:03] yourself adrien ? [16:04] has anyone here have heard of anyone having success with a pcmcia wireless adapter .. in any linux distro [16:04] KaMii, I'd just run Samba.... [16:04] oda (~oda@unaffiliated/oda) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:04] i have Destructo [16:04] KaMii: exactly =) [16:04] i once did [16:04] KaMii really how [16:04] lulinha (~dummy@nkvd.ath.cx) joined ##slackware. [16:04] lulinha (dummy@nkvd.ath.cx) left ##slackware. [16:04] plugged it in, it worked [16:04] with mandriva [16:04] rrrrrrr [16:04] Gimped (~Gimped@c-98-248-193-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:04] it worked on DSL, Slackware [16:05] didnt try any others [16:05] If you have ANY windows machines, only Win7 has NFS drivers, the otherwise you have to buy drivers. [16:05] oh ya, i forgot about samba [16:05] Action: KaMii slapps head [16:05] sitwon: to give you an example - if you create a zero-byte file, and the buffers flush to the SSD, the SSD will still write the _entire_ block. you just lost a whole chunk of SSD write endurance to that block because of a blank file [16:05] KaMii what did you do ? [16:05] Action: arfon has a 2005 linksys pcmcia adpter that works [16:05] Destructo: I pluged it in [16:05] thats all I did [16:06] it worked out of box [16:06] KaMii: really a pcmcia card .. wow [16:06] and it was an old one from the year 2000 [16:06] not really Destructo [16:06] drivers were written a LONG time ago [16:06] alisonken1home: using SSD's also means reducating the public who have been told all these years a good way to speed up your computer is to regularly defrag the drive. defragging an SSD is NOT a goot idea [16:06] Destructo, did you look up what chipset it uses? [16:06] ive looked and looked no info. [16:06] you might have to edit a module config file [16:06] forget which file though [16:06] googl works wonders for that [16:07] ha yea [16:07] s/googl/google [16:07] What brand/model is it Destructo? [16:07] klaasvakie (johann@vc-41-29-124-60.umts.vodacom.co.za) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:07] but i dont use the card because it only uses wep 128 [16:07] and ya.. I need better encryption than that [16:08] sitwon: See NyteOwl's note above as well since MS is notorious for that [16:08] alisonken1home: your points are valid, but have you run any numbers based on those points to validate your assumptions? [16:08] KaMii does illegal stuff [16:08] no i dont [16:08] :) [16:08] i want my wifi router to have security [16:08] Oh yea, are you SURE it's not working but you don't know it because it won't do WPA? [16:08] sitwon: No. SSD prices are out of my range, so I have no curiosity bump to scratch with those [16:08] and by assumptions, specifically that SSD lifespans are critcally short [16:08] do you want people stealing your internt? [16:08] they can without i guess [16:08] but yeah [16:09] alisonken1home: I'm not even saying real-world testing, I'm saying looking at a data sheet and doing the math [16:09] i dont even activate the wifi [16:09] arfon http://www.hawkingtech.com/products/productlist.php?CatID=19&FamID=33&ProdID=231 [16:09] sitwon: I did not say "critically short" :) I just said that the lifespan for an SSD is not long enough to justify the price unless performance is required [16:09] arfon: it was made before all that higher security my router can do [16:09] so that stuff didnt exist yet when it was made [16:09] Action: arfon is in ur computrz steel'n ur internt [16:09] and when i use mac adresses [16:09] sitwon: then take into account the filesystem that will be used on it - and the o/s that will be used - and the basic usage [16:09] arfon: your funny [16:09] :) [16:10] ...and I can make waffles [16:10] lab sheet numbers are only for shopping comparison. I've read the reports, and SSD's are not at the price/performace ratio for me or my comany [16:10] hahaha, :S [16:10] company [16:10] some bad guys from the hood asked me to have "free net" [16:10] for 10$ a month [16:10] hahahaa [16:10] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [16:11] wtf [16:11] i answered i wasnt able [16:11] i agree with alisonken1home, i give away my thumb drives to friends after a few years of constant use... [16:11] they bought [16:11] 3g keys [16:11] well i stuck as usual with X . the pcmcia was going to be my mission. now X is my mission.. [16:11] hahaaaa [16:11] I can't read that Hawkins page, can someone look up Destructo's chipset? [16:12] sitwon: just noting that freakishly outlayer numbers like the guy you linked to are nowhere near real-world usage on ssd's. We have a raid array from dell that is using ssd's we're testing out. Sorry - for the cost, they're not worth the effort at this time [16:12] Destructo (~chatzilla@12.232.59.217) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:12] its old [16:12] 128 [16:12] stu_ (~stuart@175.144.255.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:13] wep [16:13] i don't think a raid of ssd makes sense [16:13] raid is really to mitigate mechanical failures [16:14] ssd takes care of bad cells on its own [16:14] Skywise: we have a dell 8-drive system we were testing out. Internal testing to see if the SSD's were likely candidates [16:14] Isis___ (~aaa@186.18.225.130) left irc: [16:14] raid = a sudden attack behind an enemy's lines without the intention of holding ground. [16:14] i'd put them in an lvm rather then raid [16:15] pupit, yes and you conquer the enemy by bonking them with bad hds [16:15] hahahah [16:15] ndiswrapper shoud work [16:15] it worked on old fedora [16:15] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF5D8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya o/ [16:16] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:16] Skywise: how should it be called that type of war, with hdds? [16:16] arfon: if I set up samba, that means I can do an nfs install of slackware right? [16:16] thrashing [16:16] the new cold war [16:17] KaMii, if you set up with Samba, you don't need NFS [16:17] Skywise: I might understand using a RAID 1 array with SSD, just in case, but you're right full blown arrays are too costly and the benefits marginal [16:17] sitwon: by the way - on that linked article, did you read comment #5? [16:17] raid 1 f*** my hd once [16:17] never again [16:17] NyteOwl, yeah i think spending the money on backup media would be more robust [16:18] Maybe I mis-understood your question K. [16:18] chris_scummette: those lil enemies inside the hd :) [16:18] huh, but if I have samba on my slackintosh, and the slackware set on my External which is connected to the slackintosh and shared, then can nfs into it to install slackware on another computer?> [16:18] AlanCox (~SlackWare@bl7-145-231.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:19] kamii keep it simple [16:19] use dvd :D [16:19] chris_scummette: not all of my computers have that luxury [16:19] i agree [16:19] alisonken1home: I have a system w/ SSD that's been running fine for over a year and half [16:20] that's anecdotal evidence, not science [16:20] Samba will not connect to NFS clients... So if you want to NFS install to another machine, you need to set up NFS. Meaning: setup both Samba and NFS on one machine. [16:20] sitwon: good. Just don't expect 52 years (or even 26 years) before the drive needs attention [16:20] KaMii, arfon is saying that samba and nfs are different protocols [16:20] sitwon: consider yourself lucky then [16:20] see, i was right [16:20] so whats the difference between the two? [16:21] I doubt I will stil own/use that computer in 10 years, let alone 26 [16:21] why have both, why not just have nfs only then [16:21] one grew up with windows, and one grew up with unix [16:21] motaro (~ricardori@190.166.108.188) left irc: Quit: motaro [16:21] and then unix added compatibilty with windows machines [16:21] SSD in daily use? I'd expect 3-5 years and consider anything more a bonus. Of course the technology improves all the time so the longevity will improve as well [16:21] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [16:21] and thus samba was born [16:22] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@dynamic-adsl-94-36-185-152.clienti.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [16:22] Samba was developed for comaptibility with MS Widows print/file sharing protocols [16:22] Skywise: that did not answer my question at all [16:22] sure it does [16:22] Hang on, work is flaring up. [16:22] i dont need winblows compatability [16:22] oh, phew, i thought it might be the sun [16:22] so why samba? [16:22] well, there were other people to consider [16:23] SpacePlod: ping [16:23] Skywise: its a home network, only people to consider is me [16:23] just setup an nfs server then [16:23] ok [16:23] thanks [16:23] if you never use windows, then you don't need samba [16:24] geez that question was like pulling teeth, I asked one question and stil never got an answer, but i did get the run around [16:24] sounds like you need a better question, yours was defective [16:24] the difference is that you dont dont need samba if your never working with MS machines [16:24] whats the difference between nfs and samba is a defective question? [16:24] i told you what it was [16:25] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:25] your answer was so vague even steven hawkings got confused [16:25] they're unix and windows versions of essentially the same thing [16:25] no, we're cool [16:25] the difference is samba is a hack to be compatible with Windows. NFS is native Unix which is the same for Linux [16:25] i can't understand him tho [16:25] Skywise: only in that they're network sharing of resources [16:25] ok well im going with nfs [16:26] alisonken1home: yes, even Linus states that it was hacked to wokr with linux [16:26] alisonken1home, yeah they provide the same facilities in that respect [16:26] work* [16:26] hi all. i have a problem setting up my wireless in slackware. if i start wpa_supplicant manually from console i can connect, but rc.inet1 does not start wpa_supplicant automatically when the script is loaded [16:27] thats prolly a udev issue [16:27] KaMii, if you want to fileserv to windows machines, go with Samba [16:27] these are inet1.conf and wpa conf http://pastebin.com/bNN6687j http://pastebin.com/ZuXDJajz [16:27] pupit: Skywise: the difference is NFS is publicly documentent compared to samba :) samba had to be reverse engineered [16:27] OclkdMan: one option would be to use WICD [16:27] i've tried it at first [16:27] alisonken1home: i know... :D [16:27] alphageek: are you going to be around tonight? [16:27] the whole rc.inet1 / rc.wireless interaction is not only slow, but too complex. wicd is simpler [16:27] alisonken1home, it has to be reverse engineered, debugged and then rebugged to work right [16:28] alisonken1home: I likely will be. sup? [16:28] Nick change: AlanCox -> SlackLnx [16:28] but wicd didn't see my wlan0 as an available interface [16:28] see i knew it was udev [16:28] OclkdMan, you can specify wlan0 manually :> [16:28] alphageek: q's about getting that program setup on my mirror for torrenting the iso's. [16:28] when things don't appear when they should, its udev [16:29] alisonken1home: which program? [16:29] however, it's waaay past my bedtime, so it would be later today/tonight before I could talk to you [16:29] the one that creates an iso from your tree that mirrors the slackware iso's [16:29] just hide under the covers [16:29] forgot the name [16:29] rodrigo_golive (~rodrigo_g@nat/mandriva/x-ubzyuzzbafurvuwg) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:29] thrice`: in wicd? [16:29] oh. sligdo stuff. sure [16:29] OclkdMan, yes :> [16:29] sligdo - thank you [16:30] ok it works [16:30] alisonken1home: ping me a few times just to be sure. I'll certainly be around the house.. it's just a question if I'll be sitting down _here_ [16:30] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@dynamic-adsl-94-36-185-152.clienti.tiscali.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:30] alphageek: :) [16:32] google doesnt show much information about slackware bridged networking [16:32] s/slackware/linux/ [16:32] maddslacker (~maddslack@web77.webfaction.com) joined ##slackware. [16:32] aye good point [16:33] is alienBOB around? [16:33] that's a silly question [16:33] I'll take a silly answer than...heh [16:33] 'maybe' [16:34] maddslacker: ping him - if he's around and feels like talking, he'll answer. don't hold your breath. [16:34] if nothing else, I just tripped his nick watch [16:34] likely not. he hasn't spoken for a couple hours & it's ~22:30 (iirc) where he's at [16:34] yeah no worries...question on a package of his....I'll bug him thru his blog [16:34] do remember he's an old fart that needs his sleep :) [16:34] Action: alphageek ducks [16:34] as am I...heh [16:35] but I'm in a better time zone [16:35] alphageek: Just like a lot of us around here :) [16:35] maddslacker, which packages? [16:35] sleep? what is that, it sounds so nice.. [16:35] actually, maybe somebody else knows... [16:35] perhaps others can help [16:35] getting old sux [16:35] indeed [16:35] I'm bulding avidemux and I can't get it to muild the 'logo' plugin, even though the source is in there [16:35] GET OFF MY LAWN!! [16:35] yes, I just turned 25 last month, it's killer [16:35] heh [16:35] I just turned 25 last decade [16:36] Action: arfon slaps thrice [16:36] ill turn 27 [16:36] thrice`: I wish I was that young again [16:36] phrag_ (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [16:36] dont cry [16:36] lol [16:36] turned 45 last month [16:36] phrag_ (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Client Quit [16:36] hes really alpha [16:36] /nick oldgeek [16:36] heh [16:36] stfu or I'll hit you with my cane [16:36] lol [16:36] alphageek: still younger than me - my kid is about our age difference [16:37] Stinkin' AARP is sending me mailers now! I'm not 50 yet! [16:37] thrice`, ^^ anyway, that's my issue [16:37] woohoo [16:37] arfon: get used to it - I've been getting those for a while now [16:37] Action: alphageek passes the official 'old guy' hat to alisonken1home [16:37] heh, I wonder what the median age is at #ubuntu vs here [16:37] maddslacker, ok, it fails to build, or? [16:37] Ken, :( [16:37] thrice`, well, no error, it just ain't there [16:38] maddslacker: bets the age bell curve has no middle for #ubuntu? [16:38] I watched the build too, and under Misc it listed some, but not that one [16:38] i need a rc.bridge script [16:38] alphageek, heh [16:38] what is ubuntu [16:38] i'd guess #ubuntu is around 14 and here is around 35 [16:38] slackware for 10 year olds [16:38] chris_scummette: a wndows wannabe for linux users [16:38] winbuntu [16:38] I think it's more osx wannabe these days [16:39] yep [16:39] that's kubuntu ;) [16:39] well, functionally more OSX [16:39] afrikaans for "I can't handle real Linux" [16:39] osx is kubuntu wannabe [16:39] Emeau_ (emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-4-230.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:39] lol [16:39] maddslacker: looking at the source....png issues,perhaps? [16:40] the sudo crew [16:40] what does 'bond' mean in networking terms? [16:40] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:40] MLanden, i WAS THINKING THAT TOO, BUT NOT SURE WHAT THE ISSUE WOULD BE [16:40] i *SHOULD* HAVE THE PNG STUFFS [16:40] oops [16:40] sorry [16:40] Action: alphageek hands maddslacker a spare capslock key [16:40] dustybin, the same as it would mean in the conventional sense [16:41] lol....ain't deef....;) [16:41] It means a kick-@$$ secerat agent! [16:41] secret even [16:41] hehe [16:41] dustybin: it means that you can take 2 separate routes (think like having 2 dsl modems) and make the system think that they're both part of a single path [16:41] double your speed throughput [16:41] Emeau (emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-110-22.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:41] now you know that I stare at the keyboard whilst typing [16:41] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [16:41] aye ok [16:41] alisonken1home, failover too [16:41] if one goes down [16:41] that too [16:41] alisonken1home so that if i can connect to other wifi networks it will increase? [16:42] maddslacker: however, bonding is more of a throughput issue rather than a failover issue [16:42] but you only wanna bond symmetrically [16:42] chris_scummette: no - wifi is a different animal [16:42] ok [16:42] bonding dsl and wifi would be less then optimal [16:42] im bad at networks [16:42] Skywise: what about dialup and hughesnet? :) [16:42] lol [16:42] you can attempt to bond 2 separate wifi cards, but they'll probabl interfere with each other [16:42] i found something close [16:42] http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4632 [16:42] mwalling, i'd choose suicide [16:43] Dominian: how much did i love space tubes? [16:43] no bondage for me so [16:43] http://pastebin.org/413731 [16:43] HOHOHOH [16:43] mwalling, they were fine before they got saturated, so you'd get killer downloads and it was great for surfing [16:43] but you couldn't play games with it [16:43] thrice`, there's what it claims to want to build for plugins [16:43] logo is there [16:43] Action: maddslacker is scrolling further [16:43] Skywise: you couldnt do anything with it [16:44] Skywise: i had the 200mb/day plan [16:44] fap sucked [16:44] hehe [16:44] i had an LCD readout of my fap remaining [16:44] it started out good [16:44] dialup vs hughesnet? I'd rather go for rfc 1149 [16:44] but they oversold it [16:44] mwalling: You loved space tubes so much you wanted to buy your own satellite [16:44] thrice`, wait, this *is* what it built, that's the part of the script that's making the package [16:44] maddslacker, those are the actual package contents :> [16:44] alphageek: vs? & [16:45] alphageek: hahaha [16:45] thrice`, yup, just saw that when you did [16:45] now i'm even more confused [16:45] i guess they didn't expect the internet to be on all day long [16:45] alphageek: is that the 'pigeon' ? [16:45] Sooooo, fap is now a unit of data throughput? [16:45] Dominian: yes [16:45] THAT'S funny [16:45] i thought 1149 was deprecated [16:45] http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html [16:45] alisonken1home: hehe [16:46] mwalling: look at the date of the rfc [16:46] alisonken1home: no shit. [16:46] :) [16:46] i think its 2249 [16:46] thrice`, and yet when I open up the .tgz, it's not there [16:46] 2249 "Mail Monitoring MIB dtd January 1998" [16:47] alisonken1home: it was deprecated by 2549 [16:47] could be a 64 bit thing? [16:47] mwalling: ah - added QoS - even better [16:47] maddslacker, ok, so it didn't get built? you can grep /var/log/packages/ btw (grep your_plugin /var/log/packages/avidemux* ) [16:47] right, it's in the list of compiled, but not in the resulting package [16:48] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-85-202.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:49] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.118.5) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [16:50] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.118.5) joined ##slackware. [16:50] thrice`, looking through the tmp/blah/build directory, it's not there, so it doesn't seem that it built [16:51] Isis___ (~isis@186.18.225.130) joined ##slackware. [16:51] maddslacker, i'd agree; which 'list of compiled' do you mean? in the package ? [16:51] /tmp/build/package-avidemux/usr/lib64/ADM_plugins/videoFilter/ [16:51] in there [16:51] ok, is the plugin actually in the package or not* :) [16:51] it is not in the package [16:51] it is in the source [16:51] aha, ok [16:52] i'm scrolling back through the compile output to see if there was an error [16:52] actually, would this have logged somewhere that I can grep? [16:53] maddslacker, alien's do have a nice log, in /tmp or so [16:53] yeah, looking for that now [16:53] DURgod (~DURgod@75-128-142-59.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:53] ( /tmp/install-avidemux.log [16:53] coincidentally [16:53] heh [16:53] sorry, I'm worthless and gotta leave work now. nothing from his slackbuild suggests it wouldn't work, like it gets removed or something [16:54] so, showing up in the package-blah dir should result in it being in the package :( [16:54] maddslacker: libpng12 vs libpng14? [16:54] thrice`, agreed [16:54] ml4711, I'll check [16:54] ^^ MLanden [16:55] DURgod (~DURgod@75-128-142-59.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:55] all good,maddslacker....just referring to http://www.avidemux.org/admWiki/doku.php?id=build:install_2.6 where it needs libpng12-"dev" [16:56] seems I have both [16:56] 12 and 14 [16:56] and I'm building avidemux 2.5, not 2.6 [16:57] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430064.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [16:57] maddslacker: ok...sorry [16:58] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430064.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:00] Nick change: Guest11978 -> GrooveDroid [17:00] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:03] 3 [17:03] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-31.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:06] maddslacker: this might be the issue http://avidemux.org/admForum/viewtopic.php?pid=43849# [17:06] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] yeah, I might need to back off to 2.4 [17:08] maddslacker: good luck [17:08] ty [17:09] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [17:09] do you think this bridge script looks ok? [17:09] http://paste.debian.net/81258/plain/81258 [17:11] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Quit: Reconnecting [17:12] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [17:12] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:15] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:18] chris_scummette (~chris_scu@ABordeaux-551-1-63-4.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:19] ok i did something wrong, because i cant mount that to the nfs filesystem [17:20] i need alienBOB to look at this script: http://paste.debian.net/81259/plain/81259 [17:20] hes the man who would know if its good or bad [17:20] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:20] mount /my.ip:/external/hd /mnt/nfs [17:20] it does nothing [17:20] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [17:21] just sits there [17:21] i started all the services [17:21] rpc services - and the remote directory is exportable? [17:21] chris_scummette (~chris_scu@ABordeaux-551-1-63-4.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:21] Alt_of_Ctrl (~Inacio@a85-139-195-70.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:22] i dont understand [17:22] KaMii: what did you do on the remote machine to allow the drive/directory to be exported over nfs? and what o/s is the other machine running? [17:22] Alt_of_Ctrl (~Inacio@a85-139-195-70.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:22] no i cant get that drive to be mounted on the nfs server machince [17:23] all my machines run slackware [17:23] make sure its not being blocked by firewall rules [17:23] KaMii: ok- what do you want to do? do you want a shared directory on a single host to share with the other machines on your network? [17:23] um, unless slackintosh starts a firewall on install, i dont have one [17:23] if yes, what machine is that? [17:23] im trying to share my external HDD to my other computers over the home network [17:24] my server is slackintosh [17:24] and im trying to mount my external so its on the server [17:24] ok - then on your slackintosh machine, mount your external hdd, then also edit /etc/exports and specify that directory is allowed to be exported to the rest of the net [17:24] i did that [17:25] its mounted to /mnt/Saturn [17:25] and i did all the editing in exports, and the .allow .deny [17:25] and i even game my nfs a name [17:25] start rpc services (nfs specifically), THEN on the other machines, type "mount -t nfs / / i did [17:26] oh [17:26] i need to do the mount that way [17:26] am0rphis (~qwe@91.145.203.168) joined ##slackware. [17:26] i was trying to mount /mnt/Saturn on the slackintosh [17:26] maddslacker (maddslack@web77.webfaction.com) left ##slackware ("bye"). [17:26] Gimped (~Gimped@c-98-248-193-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:26] yes - you can only "mount" volumes on a local machine - mount is not a remote command [17:27] but in the howto it says in the howto that i need to add a /my.ip/externl/hd /mount/point in fstab [17:27] on the server machine [17:27] maybe that was wrong [17:27] or i read it wrong [17:27] if you want it to be automounted at reboot, yes. the server machine is the one with the external drive. [17:28] remember, "server" means the computer that is providing the service [17:28] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-186-247-36.range86-186.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:28] in this case, Saturn is the server since it's making the external hdd available to remote clients [17:28] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb71e.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:28] but... blah im cornfused [17:29] it wont mount as 192.1.2.445:/mnt/Saturn /mnt/nfs [17:29] i made up that ip addy [17:29] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-186-245-242.range86-186.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [17:29] what error? [17:29] no error [17:29] it just sits there, does nothing [17:29] im sooo confused right now [17:29] what does your /etc/exports show [17:30] on Saturn [17:30] /mnt/Saturn 192.168.0.102(rw) 192.168.0.106(rw) [17:30] the one with the hdd you want to share [17:31] did you follow "man exports" ? [17:31] i followed a slackware howto [17:32] just trying to remember ... does nfs do reverse DNS lookups at all? [17:32] the bridge script works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [17:32] bridge name bridge id STP enabled interfaces [17:32] br0 8000.6cf02324e2d no eth0 [17:32] no - only if names are used in exports [17:32] Action: dustybin feels really excited [17:33] dustybin: where is the other interface for the bridge to bridge? [17:33] rirombo (~user@h113.187.19.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) [17:33] isnt there like a nfs config script to run? [17:33] no [17:33] alisonken1home: i removed it, it was a typo [17:33] oh.... this is slackware [17:33] alisonken1home: http://paste.debian.net/81259/plain/81259 [17:33] umm, so what do i do? [17:33] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:34] you can ping the Saturn IP from the othr machines? [17:34] that works i am sshed into it right now [17:34] oh the saturn ip [17:34] huh [17:34] saturn is the name of the external drive [17:34] Slackintosh is the name of my Slackintosh iBook [17:34] ok - that way we know which one is the server :) [17:35] ya, Slackintosh is server [17:35] Saturn is the Eternal [17:35] ok - give me a name of the other machine [17:35] Galaxy [17:35] and this machine is darkstar [17:36] ok - /etc/rc.d/rc.rpc is running on darkstar/galaxy? [17:36] no [17:36] at least i highly doubt it [17:37] oh it cannot because its slackware 11.0 [17:37] is /etc/rc.d/rc.nfsd and /etc/rc.d/rc.rpc running on slackintosh [17:37] so it would be called... what was it called before they switched to rc.rpc [17:37] so - nfs is pretty much the same since version 8 [17:37] yes slackintosh has both those running [17:38] and you have port 113 enabled (auth services)? [17:38] Action: acidchild fingers alisonken1home [17:38] on which machine? [17:38] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [17:38] got r00t? :D [17:38] so wrong >.> [17:38] acidchild: can get his fingers bit too :) [17:38] haha [17:38] hows your day going? [17:39] acidchild: i deeply disapprove of your choice of nickname [17:39] tiring - been up since 2000 last night and still not in bed yet [17:39] ok im trying to setup firewall, anything to advice me? [17:39] KaMii: should be on slackintosh at a minimum [17:39] how do i check that? [17:40] do a "tail -60 /var/log/messages" and see if there's anything in there on nfs [17:41] also /var/log/syslog [17:41] lots there [17:41] could throw a ]gep nfs in there [17:41] | grep even [17:42] slackintosh kernel: Installing knfsd (copyright (C) 1996 okir@monad.swb.de). [17:42] no nfs in syslog [17:43] i guess its not running then? [17:45] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] acidchild: how's life treating you? [17:46] KaMii: it could be running - since the kernel nfs module got loaded [17:46] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:47] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:48] Tsooi (~scruffy@ti0125a380-0499.bb.online.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:48] chris_scummette (~chris_scu@ABordeaux-551-1-63-4.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:49] ridout (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [17:49] sickn3ss (~sickness@89.123.174.216) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:49] KaMii: on galaxy or darkstar, try "mount -t nfs :mnt/Slaturn /mnt/nfs" [17:49] you can also 'tail -f /var/log/messages" in a terminal on slackintosh [17:50] as root [17:51] god damn i gotta pay attention when i start talking on IRC [17:51] acidchild: ok - what'd you miss? [17:51] i dunno, someone insulting my 9year old+ nick name [17:51] dustybin [17:51] thinking i care about their opinion. [17:51] he's offended by your nic [17:51] good. [17:52] Why you taking nicks from 9yr olds? [17:52] I think dustybin is a little young to be remembering the Age of Aquarius and he missed the history lessons [17:52] :o [17:52] arfon: his nic is 9 years old [17:52] (I was yanking his chain) [17:52] :) [17:52] i have a rope, not a chain. [17:53] I'm tired [17:53] classy [17:55] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-70-18-157-112.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:56] acidchild: the company got me a quad core 1.2G rig with 4G ram (Dell Studio) [17:56] nice little box. Slack 13.1 dropped right into place on it [17:57] notebook [17:57] widescreen [17:57] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.81.90) joined ##slackware. [17:57] Action: rob0 waits to insult acidchild until it's 10-y-o [17:57] john_dee (~id@95-29-190-46.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [17:57] I just want you guys to know that I feel like crap for some reason.... [17:57] rob0 could probably get away with it :) [17:58] ph|ber (~cking@c-75-66-7-36.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] alphageek: looks like I'm probably gonna be taking a nap that extends into your bedtime - so catch you later about sligdo [18:00] k [18:02] KaMii: did I lose you somewher? [18:02] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [18:04] i fear someone may have sat on him [18:04] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430064.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:04] phrag: you do remember KaMii is a young female, don't you? [18:04] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423050.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:04] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-185-178.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] suuure he is [18:06] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-62-204.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:07] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@200.63.199.98) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:07] the Age of Asparagus ? when was that ? [18:08] tuesday evening? [18:09] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:09] would that be Papa Asparagus or Jr. Asparagus [18:09] I can't remember tuesday evening.. does that mean it was then ? [18:09] ? [18:10] alkos333 (1000@c-67-162-30-94.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:11] i cannot confirm that [18:11] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-73-182.w90-58.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:11] alisonken1lap: just like you alison ? =P [18:11] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:12] well guys, time to go home, g'night [18:12] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:12] phrag: it's Mr. alisonken to you! ;) [18:14] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:14] yeh,.. that still confuses me.. i best not ask o.0 [18:15] phrag: simple - the mrs. doesn't irc [18:16] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [18:17] so.. why do you inpersonate or encompass her by using that nick ? (just curious) =) [18:18] phrag: you seem to be one of the _extremely_ few lurkers that missed that story [18:18] BiCHiTo (Yposu4i2zw@unaffiliated/bichito) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:18] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:18] It dates way back to Juno mail, a shared account? [18:19] yes i was =P [18:19] erm, i did even [18:19] rob0: not a shared account [18:20] phrag: when the wife and I were dating just before I retired, we both got juno dialup accounts. she got allisonken, but since kenallison was taken and they had a limit on the lenght of email names, I ended up with alisonken1 [18:20] retired from the military [18:20] phew, close call there [18:20] we might have called you an old fart [18:21] alisonken1lap: i see.. that is unfortunate =P [18:21] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:21] adaptr: well, we've been married for 14 years :) [18:21] I didnt' say she could not call you an old fart [18:21] just that we shouldn't [18:21] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:21] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:22] adaptr: why not? I am an old fart - with grandkids :) [18:22] wow [18:22] and I *know* you won't mistake that for a warcraft reference, because you're old [18:22] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:23] actually, I have to remember that this younger generation uses WoW to say World or Warcraft, when I think of it as Wizard of Wor from early arcade games [18:24] alkos333 (1000@c-67-162-30-94.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:24] I'm glad there's a port of it floating around - just like Missile Command [18:24] good games [18:25] Missile Command is a good one to play with a Logitech [18:25] Trackman too [18:25] =) [18:25] sorry alisonken1home ya i got lost, and was trying to figureit out, but cant see anything different from what i did and what the howto said [18:26] true,alisonken1lap....wizard of wor was quite popular when it was ported to c64 and atari xl/xe [18:26] KaMii: typically, when nfs mount hangs on the client, I've found it's usually rpc/nfsd isn't running [18:26] looks like its not runing anyore [18:26] but i thought i started it [18:27] how long did you wait before you hit ctl-c [18:27] ? [18:27] to have nfsd autostart I just need to make that executable right? [18:27] correct [18:27] alisonken1home: i waited long enough [18:27] over a minute [18:27] maybe i will just reboot [18:27] then it SHOULD be up [18:28] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [18:28] ok its rebooting [18:29] and i dont care what time it is, im making coffee [18:29] you did remember chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.nfsd AND rc.rpc ? [18:30] which of those starts the portmapper [18:30] MLanden: I spent many a rolls of quarters on that one :) [18:30] rpc [18:30] Axius (~fd@92.82.80.228) joined ##slackware. [18:31] m coffee. sounds like an idea [18:31] coffee is never "an idea" - it's always "the answer" [18:31] alisonken1lap: not really. [18:31] alisonken1lap: know a lot of folk who did as well....faster the chase, the better..;) [18:31] "yes" is the answer ;) [18:32] ok it started up on reboot [18:32] alisonken1lap: well not always, tea sometimes is, or beer or scotch (depending on mood and ambiancee) :) [18:32] "the answer" is 42 :p [18:33] ahaha alisonken1home i totally agree with your statement about coffee [18:33] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:33] BP{k}: that's if you're married - what about "42" [18:33] ? [18:33] I/O I/O its off to work i go I/O I/O I/O a bit to read a byte to write [18:33] right now, the answer is beer, but I don't have any. [18:33] ahaha adaptr i have beer [18:33] but i want coffee [18:33] are you sure you're allowed to ? [18:34] I will trade you the beer for some coffee [18:35] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:35] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-185-178.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: bbiab [18:36] Axius (~fd@92.82.80.228) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:37] well my parents dont really care since its like 3.5% [18:37] near-beer [18:37] fun stuff [18:37] 3.5% ?!? that stuff can get you killed! killded DEDD! man. dude. DUDE [18:38] dudette [18:38] alisonken1home: its till not mounting [18:38] still [18:38] tail /var/log/syslog on galaxy/darkstar (whichever is trying to mount) [18:39] Jul 24 00:34:47 slackintosh mountd[2216]: mount request from unknown host 192.168.0.104 for /mnt/Saturn (/mnt/Saturn) [18:39] Jul 24 00:35:22 slackintosh last message repeated 6 times [18:39] and it timed out [18:40] is /etc/rc.d/rc.rpc running on darkstar/galaxy? [18:40] i ran that command on Slackintosh [18:40] not darkstar or galaxy [18:40] chris_scummette (~chris_scu@ABordeaux-551-1-63-4.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:40] run it on darkstar/galaxy too [18:40] run the command on there or start the services [18:40] rc.nfsd is only needed on the server [18:41] on galaxy/darkstar: /etc/rc.d/rc.rpc [18:41] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:41] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:42] there is no rc.rpc on slack 11 [18:42] or... oh, i bet its not installed [18:42] because there is no HDD space [18:43] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [18:43] i will need to remove some things not needed on this system to get it working, but its ok i dont really need to view that drive from here [18:43] but on galaxy i need it [18:43] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:44] ls /sbin/rpc.portmap /sbin/rpc.statd [18:44] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:44] chris_scummette (~chris_scu@ABordeaux-551-1-63-4.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:45] whats going on, there is no /etc/rc.d/rc.rpc on galaxy either, and thats slack 13.1 full install [18:46] read up and see if those two files are on your system [18:46] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [18:47] ls /sbin/rpc.* [18:48] galaxy has both [18:48] darkstar is missing statd [18:50] try using galaxy to mount? [18:50] ok i think i just started them both [18:50] do I mount as root or user? [18:51] root is the only one that can mount [18:51] alisonken1home: um ? of course not [18:52] TClayton (~tony@184.1.70.195) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:52] adaptr: without an fstab or proper userspace tools - root is the only one that can mount nfs shares [18:52] looks like its going to time out [18:52] adaptr: keep in mind we're working on a specific problem right now [18:52] ah, ad hoc [18:52] still not a problem [18:53] KaMii: what does tail /var/log/messages say [18:54] ok - syslog [18:54] all it says is that I have started statd [18:54] on slackintosh? [18:54] on galaxy [18:54] check slackintosh syslog [18:54] Jul 24 00:47:30 Galaxy rpc.statd[10692]: Failed to read /var/lib/nfs/state: Success [18:54] Jul 24 00:47:30 Galaxy rpc.statd[10692]: Running as root. chown /var/lib/nfs to choose different use [18:55] Jul 23 13:33:50 Galaxy kernel: UDF-fs: No anchor found [18:56] slackintosh reports no activity from Galaxy [18:58] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.224.25.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [18:58] spiraliz (~spiraliz@72.81-167-30.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:59] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:01] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ [19:02] and galaxy can ping slackintosh? [19:02] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb71e.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:02] sshed in [19:02] hmm [19:02] firewall rules in there somewhere? [19:03] only firewall is my router [19:03] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:05] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) left irc: Quit: I/O Error: No space left on device [19:08] if i can ssh into all computers i dont think its a firewall issue [19:08] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [19:09] you can't possibly say that [19:09] and many domestic firewall urghcrapboxes will have problems with NFS, since it uses random ports [19:09] um, other ports can be blocked.. [19:09] I can ssh to frankie but can't ftp and can't host a webserver.. [19:10] and my isp blocks connections to port 80 [19:10] :S [19:11] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-85-202.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [19:11] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:11] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:12] well hrm.... [19:12] how can i be sure if its a firewall or not [19:12] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:13] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [19:14] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.14.233) joined ##slackware. [19:14] well, slackintosh got nfs requests from darkstar, so it would have to be something in galaxy doing it [19:14] it did? [19:15] [15:37:00] Jul 24 00:34:47 slackintosh mountd[2216]: mount request from unknown host 192.168.0.104 for /mnt/Saturn (/mnt/Saturn) [19:15] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [19:15] does a fresh install of slackware 13.1 include any firewall active [19:15] ok ya thats this system [19:16] normally, no default firewall rules that I know of [19:16] wait, no unknown host 192.168.0.104 IS slackintosh [19:17] darkstar is 106 [19:17] galaxy is 102 [19:17] spiraliz (~spiraliz@72.81-167-30.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [19:17] t0mm13b_ (t0mm13b@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [19:18] spiraliz (~spiraliz@72.81-167-30.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:18] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Disconnected by services [19:18] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-238-89.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] Nick change: t0mm13b_ -> t0mm13b [19:19] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@support.team.at.shellium.org) left irc: Changing host [19:19] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [19:20] |bash 2014| i think Bush played counterstrike too much [19:20] off topic but funny so i had to post it here [19:20] TClayton (~tony@184.1.70.195) joined ##slackware. [19:20] in a console on each machine (galaxy and darkstar), run "tcpdump -nvv" and see what nfs packets are showing up [19:20] sorry - galaxy and slackintosh [19:21] how long should i let it run? [19:22] i sshed in and ran that now my cpu is being pegged and its still going [19:22] i cant stop it [19:22] now try mounting from galaxy again [19:22] -c [19:22] while it's running [19:22] it finally stopped [19:23] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [19:23] ctl-c took awhile before the signal got through [19:23] yeah - because the ssh session [19:23] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.14.233) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:23] spiraliz (~spiraliz@72.81-167-30.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [19:24] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:24] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-238-89.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:24] ok i got them running direct on the machines [19:24] how long should I let it go [19:25] if you tcpdump on a machine where the console is actually a session over the network, the tcpdump output causes massive display output as well [19:25] I keep thinnking you have a screen for each machine that doesn't require ssh [19:25] still wont mount [19:25] anyway, on galaxy, try mounting nfs again - and watch tcpdump to see if there's nfs information there [19:26] tcpdump is running sooo fast, no human could ever read it [19:26] KaMii: depend on what's on the network [19:26] pick a more selective filter [19:26] in this case, the terminal that's an ssh session kill the tcpdump [19:27] Skywise: she's young and doesn't know some of these tools. first time nfs'er [19:27] im not running it in ssh anymore [19:27] what port range does nfs usually go for? [19:28] first time maybe - but going at it for a week now [19:28] because i am forwarding some ports for DCC [19:28] ok - on them both, run 'tcpdump -nvv dst= [19:28] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.233.214) joined ##slackware. [19:28] that's up to the portmapper. [19:28] that would not conflict would it? [19:28] KaMii: so on galaxy - "tcpdump -nvv dst=" [19:29] syntax error [19:29] ok dest= [19:29] ah [19:29] syntax error [19:29] :S [19:30] alisonken1home: lose the = [19:30] ah - thats right [19:30] dest [19:30] TClayton (~tony@184.1.70.195) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:30] dst [19:31] on slackintosh "tcpdump -nvv dst [19:32] TClayton (~tony@184.1.70.195) joined ##slackware. [19:32] ok the second i did that [19:32] and tried to mount from Galaxy [19:32] slackintosh started posting info [19:32] but it makes no sense to me [19:32] im not sure what im looking for [19:33] but none of the ip addresses are from galaxy [19:33] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [19:33] they are all slackwares ip addys [19:33] KaMii: man tcpdump and look around line 588 [19:33] maybe it was posting things and i just didnt notice [19:34] Recall the structure of a TCP header without options: [19:35] thats what like 588 says [19:35] "around 588" [19:35] "NFS Requests and Replies" [19:35] are line numbers subject to screen resolution? [19:35] ... [19:36] no [19:36] yes, they are, and they are hiding from you, too! you need a widescreen to see them all! [19:36] can i search for a string inside a manpage [19:36] ok - it would be around line 588 on a machine that has 13.1 on it [19:36] yes, / [19:36] man foo |grep bar [19:36] man tcpdump then "/nfs requests" [19:36] im looking on the manpage in 13.1 [19:37] or "/^nfs" [19:37] (shift-6 for ^" [19:37] ) [19:38] adaptr: that only works if you pass the "no pager" option [19:38] besides, we want the text around it [19:39] thats not working [19:39] zaythan (~zaythan@ip68-1-71-150.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:39] alisonken1home: nonsense, it works just fine. man tcpdump |grep -C3 nfs [19:40] adaptr: hmm - learned another trick - man can tell if there's a pipe in there [19:40] I was thinking of man man and don't remember that one [19:40] ya that workd for me too adaptr [19:41] it works for any pipe construct. if there is a default pager, it will be overridden [19:41] popl (~nobody@unaffiliated/popl) joined ##slackware. [19:41] zaythan (~zaythan@ip68-1-71-150.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:41] Action: popl waves [19:42] ok none of those switches are being printed out on slackintosh [19:42] but there is more activity when galaxy tries to mount Saturn [19:42] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-185-178.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:43] slackintosh? why would you bother with something that's dead? :) [19:43] still makes a good fileserver [19:43] maybe he is a zombie hunter [19:43] ananke: many good thnigs are dead [19:43] except disco [19:44] disco isn't dead [19:44] I hope it is [19:44] and Elvis has left the building, too [19:44] zaythan (~zaythan@ip68-1-71-150.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:44] slackintosh is not dead [19:44] the last changelog event was on 1 jul [19:44] some disco music was decent. wasn't that bad for dancing to (note dancing not choreography) [19:44] 2010 [19:45] KaMii: "20080607 Slackintosh 12.1 released" [19:45] dsl is dead [19:45] yes ananke [19:45] the internet is dead, lets all go get a rel life hehehe [19:45] NyteOwl: NOOOOOOO!!! [19:45] but i hear some are still developing it to get it upto 13.1 [19:46] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.120.246.112) joined ##slackware. [19:46] IMO not sure why anyone would bother trying to run 13.1 on ppc [19:46] KaMii: seeing how they never got out 13.0, that should be a tell-tell sign [19:46] especially KDE [19:46] NyteOwl: true...some disco...while others ---> http://turntabling.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ethel-merman-disco-album.jpg ... lol..;) [19:46] just dont bother porting KDE 4+ [19:46] KaMii: thankfully, a lot of big distros are dropping ppc. time to let it die :) [19:46] aw [19:46] KaMii: slackware is more than just kde [19:46] ppc didn't do anything to hurt anyone :P [19:46] Action: popl hugs his iMac [19:46] i know alisonken1home but since its in the official set... maybe slackintosh devs want to keep everything [19:46] besides power chips are still alive [19:47] PPC are nice processors - ask IBM :) [19:47] i like ppc [19:47] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] NyteOwl: haha [19:47] its still useful [19:47] especially now that they have power6 [19:47] for a nfs, if i can get it online [19:47] KaMii: majority ruled, ppc is dead [19:47] haha [19:47] gezley (~gezley@86-42-210-198-dynamic.b-ras1.cld.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:47] ananke: you are welcome to buy me a new lappy anytime [19:48] for the gerneral public I agree, PPC is pretty much a dead sissue once Apple moced to x86. IBM's RISC workstations aer still pretty nice [19:48] at least im not on a commadore-64 [19:48] at last i got qemu working [19:48] C64's make nice PLC's :) [19:48] NyteOwl: and data centers. hardly anybody bothers with those other architectures these days [19:48] PLC? [19:48] check out this: [19:48] qemu-system-x86_64 -drive file=/dev/mapper/system-centos,if=virtio,index=0,media=disk,cache=off,boot=on -net nic,macaddr=8c:f0:49:22:2e:2d,model=virtio -net tap,script=/etc/qemu-ifup -m 256 -boot d -cdrom /srv/vm/iso/CentOS-5.5-x86_64-netinstall.iso -curses [19:48] programmable logic controller [19:49] PLC see above ^^ [19:49] that still means nothing to me [19:49] that will launch the CentOS installer and install it onto a raw logical volume [19:49] manwichmakeameal (~tjones@97.86.29.42) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:49] hah. I installed slim login manager and now my x session is on vc 2 instead of vc 7 [19:49] lanmower (4260ce02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.96.206.2) joined ##slackware. [19:49] KaMii: it's a specialized computer that uses basic logic to control other machinery and systems. mostly used in industrial applications [19:50] and they still use C64 to do that? [19:50] does it even have a microprocessor chip? [19:50] yes, a rathger nice one too ;) [19:50] he was just making a point - typically c64's are not industrial controllers [19:50] though I always liked Zilog [19:50] Action: KaMii wants to play on an old vaccume tube computer to say i did it [19:50] Zilog's were still rather limited, but nice [19:51] KaMii: you couldn't afford the electric bill for a day let alone a decent amount of time :) [19:51] gezley (~gezley@86-42-210-198-dynamic.b-ras1.cld.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [19:51] or the water bill [19:51] or the space to put it anywhere [19:51] Action: KaMii doesnt pay bills [19:51] KaMii: Just say you did it anyways. Who will know? [19:51] :) [19:52] Actually a vacuum tube computer has a distinct advantage computationally over a transistor based one [19:52] they suck that much electricity? [19:52] because some of us used to work around those systems :) [19:52] NyteOwl: meh. they still suck. [19:52] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [19:53] because they can operate using multivoltage/multiphase electric, they can operate using higher base valuses and do some jobs faster (relatively) but the power etc make them economically unfesable and they don't scale well :) [19:53] and they require 28v heaters built-in to the gube [19:53] it you can have a base-8 computer rather than base 2 [19:53] htube [19:54] s/it/ie/g [19:54] helps those trons jump the gap [19:54] size... [19:54] and wiring [19:54] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-31-251.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:54] interconnects [19:55] he. My first commercial computer took a room the size of my house (not counting another room for the HVAC plant [19:55] or the original relay computers (pre-vacuume tube) [19:56] I still wish I had the old PDP-8 and PDP-11 I gave away [19:56] NyteOwl: that would be cool [19:56] pre-vacuume? [19:56] I've played with a PDP-11 [19:56] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:56] there was such a thing [19:56] I built a relay computer out of two relays once [19:56] i thought vaccume was the first [19:56] xor ftw [19:57] nope - first computer was milspec and made with relays [19:57] NyteOwl: scott adams started his if series on those,right? [19:57] Action: KaMii thought lanmower was going to say he build a computer out of two lawnmowers [19:57] the first acknowledge "computer" was Babbage's computation engine. it was mechanical [19:57] NyteOwl, now your phone is 1000x faster then this room-computer [19:57] test34: heh [19:57] it was not built last I heard - just theory. he couldn't get sponsorship on it [19:57] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [19:58] i think my nfs issues are with my setup, i think i missed a step or something, didnt turn something on, idk [19:58] MLanden: could be heh. the PDP-8/11 were nice little systems for their day [19:58] it was also talking about nis in there, but i didnt mess with any of that [19:58] because it didnt tell me to mess with nis it just talked about it [19:58] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [19:59] no - nis is like central user/passwords, not file sharing [19:59] There are still hobbiest groups using the PDP-8/11 series [19:59] NyteOwl: whoever invented 11-bit processing should either be shot, or worshipped. only time will tell [19:59] NyteOwl: uncle of a friend showed us Zork as a demo on one of them [19:59] ya but thats probably going to cause connection issues then if nis isnt set up [19:59] adaptr: my battle cry is "35-bits forever!" :) [19:59] KaMii: if NIS is your issue, it will tell you so [19:59] ok [19:59] s/35/36/g [19:59] then its not NIS [20:00] no - nis is so you can use a centeral computer to keep track of user/passwords, so you don't have to have copy of /etc/passwd on every computer [20:00] sed -i '/^NO_KMS_IN_INITRD/s/no/yes/' /etc/sysconfig/kernel && mkinitrd [20:00] KaMii: ^^ [20:00] oops. wrong channel [20:00] ok [20:00] well i dont need that [20:00] my nis is in my brain [20:01] i dont suppose anybody plays wow on slack64 [20:01] and if that ever crashes... well nfs will be the worse of my worrys [20:01] zaythan: you need 32 libs [20:01] x86 libs [20:01] does anyone use NIS anymore? [20:01] worse or least? [20:01] KaMii: your brain doesn't magically create accounts on other systems [20:01] we use LDAP where I work [20:01] popl: yes [20:01] popl: yes. a lot of legacy installations use it [20:01] ananke: you would be surprised what my brain can do [20:01] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [20:02] KaMii: it can do magic? interesting [20:02] zaythan: if you need help with WoW, /j #winehq [20:02] legacy is such a kinder word than outdated. [20:02] lol ananke [20:02] mine does automagic [20:03] popl: no. legacy means something specific: it means while it may be outdated, it's still in use [20:03] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.120.246.112) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:03] hahah i have they dont talk over there :) [20:03] legacy is a euphemism for doesn't work on modern OS and isn't maintained [20:03] zaythan: thats because im not in there right now [20:03] hahah [20:03] if you install the slack x86 libs [20:03] ananke: still outdated. ;) [20:03] adaptr: nope - legacy means there's other things that are supposed to work better, but this one's not broke so we still use it [20:03] i did [20:03] then wow will work in 64 [20:03] popl: but outdated does not mean legacy. [20:03] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.224.25.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:03] it should [20:03] alisonken1home: come off it. there is no "defined meaning" [20:03] did you patch your kernel [20:03] popl: while legacy = outdated + in use [20:04] zaythan: what is the error message you are getting? [20:04] are we having a lesson in set theory? [20:04] :P [20:04] no, that's over in #mysql, if you want one [20:04] popl: you're the one who decided to venture into the definitions [20:04] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:05] KaMii: i dont know how to patch my kernel just yet....and its telling me that wine cannot fnid a suitable display [20:05] Action: KaMii tried to play with mysql once... talk about a major brain hemmorage [20:05] zaythan: you need the kernel patch [20:05] of wow will not play in 64 or 32 bit [20:05] or you can just downgrade your kernel and not patch it [20:05] your choise [20:05] ananke: you're the one who brought up meanings. :) [20:05] popl: although interestingly enough, NIS vs LDAP is often a sore subject for people with slackware, seeing how slackware doesn't provide you with facilities for full ldap support [20:06] zaythan: kernel patching is EASY [20:06] hm [20:06] I've never tried getting LDAP working on my slackware machines [20:06] ummm, can someone give him the link for the how-to patch the slackware kernel [20:06] never had a use for it [20:06] i dont have it on me [20:06] or its a howto compile a kernel [20:07] i have the books [20:08] popl: legacy slackware servers are the only reason why i haven't been able to rip out NIS completely in favor of LDAP [20:08] aw [20:08] zaythan: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/slackware-kernel-compile-guide/ [20:09] very simple to understand guide [20:09] sweet ty [20:10] np [20:10] after you patch, wow will work [20:10] Action: KaMii is a lvl 80 warlock gnome [20:10] a where is the patch?? [20:10] bah. I *was* looking into getting my system hibernating and somehow I got waylaid by reading about bootlogd [20:10] go figure [20:11] I forgot how to log boot messages to another tty [20:11] I don't need a log file, I just want to be able to switch to another console and read the output of the scripts that are run before the kernel loads [20:12] zaythan: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23323 [20:12] ridout (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:12] you want patch for 2.6.33 [20:12] console=tty0 38400 rather [20:13] popl: ^^ [20:13] thanks alisonken1home [20:14] Action: KaMii got sims 3 with world adventures expansion working in wine today WITHOUT .net [20:14] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [20:14] alisonken1home: am i super weird if I enjoy trying to get a game working under wine/linux beter than actually playing the game? [20:15] KaMii: it's known as "geeking" and learning in the process :) [20:15] then im a geek [20:15] born-again virgin [20:15] lots of times I've done somehthing just to see if I could get it to work. After getting it to work I'd drop it [20:15] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [20:15] ^^ same with me [20:16] this nfs thing is being harder than it should be [20:16] true.....nothing wrong with rising oneself above a challenge...never know when that bit of info might be useful down the road..;) [20:16] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-204-119.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] doesn't the slackware installer log boot messages to another console? [20:17] Action: KaMii usually knows just enough to get herself into trouble [20:17] it's been awhile since I ran it [20:17] popl: no [20:17] hrm. maybe I'm thinking of another distro [20:17] man it's crowded in here [20:17] the boot cd/dvd/thumbdrive allows you to log into another console to check things while it's installing [20:18] yes there's that [20:18] right [20:18] Action: KaMii moves over a bit to make room [20:18] I am thinking of something else [20:18] KaMii: sorry, was talking about my head [20:18] lol [20:18] Action: KaMii still moves over a bit to make more room [20:18] It takes awhile for me to grep through stuff sometimes [20:18] stop thinking about me [20:18] :P [20:19] I strongly recall logging boot messages to another console before but am not sure that alisonken1home's method was how I did it. [20:19] I also don't recall having to pass resume=/dev/mapper/swap to the kernel before (in lilo.conf) to make hibernation work. [20:19] argh [20:21] lanmower (4260ce02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.96.206.2) left irc: Quit: Page closed [20:21] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-21-197.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:21] bacal (~default@cpe-98-150-172-88.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:22] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:22] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [20:22] ridout (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [20:23] KaMii: On those Mac PPC's...ever try any of the BSDs(free,open or net) on them? [20:23] no [20:24] but i did have freebsd on my desktop, then i lost my main hdd so I had to wipe FBSD to make room for slackware [20:24] ok [20:24] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-26-9.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:25] [firestarter] (~paulo@189.74.245.118) joined ##slackware. [20:25] well OS X was unix anyway, so i dont know what the difference would be.... just that OS X has a window manager that eats too much cpu for a ppc [20:26] leopard was just toooo much for my iBook [20:26] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-197.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:26] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [20:26] could imagine [20:26] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-204-119.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:26] alisonken1home: is that method of sending messages to a different console the standard way to do that? [20:26] 5 mintues just to load safari.... [20:27] popl: that option allows hibernating to the swap partition [20:27] if you're talking about kernel boot messages - yes [20:27] yes, sending messages to a different console. ;P [20:29] thank you alisonken1home [20:29] ugh. is 30 too young for alzheimer's? [20:29] :P [20:29] during install you can alt-f2 to another console and follow the progress with tail [20:29] we use ttyS0 to send console boot messages to a terminal server so we can log the boot process [20:29] i think it says how in the instructions [20:29] Skywise: yes it doe [20:29] does [20:30] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-127-17-34.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:30] bacal (~default@cpe-98-150-172-88.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: bacal has no reason [20:30] popl: the last console= on the line will be set as the default console [20:30] Skywise: I have already installed and am trying to get hibernation to work, but I need to see the boot messages before the kernel loads. [20:31] have you looked at dmesg? [20:31] alisonken1home: great, thanks. I was actually looking through the man page for the answer to that precise question [20:31] Skywise: there are boot scripts that run before the kernel loads [20:31] k [20:31] mostly it's just to see if I have hte right device name for the hibernation device [20:31] which I think I do [20:32] popl: that only works with the kernel - are you using grub? because If you want lilo to change consoles, then man lilo.conf [20:32] providing it is ok to use /dev/mapper/swap instead of /dev/sda2 [20:32] normally - hibernate will be the swap partition [20:32] oh no I just want the messages alisonken1home [20:32] alisonken1home: I am using lilo [20:32] why not just use /dev/sda2? [20:32] (if that's swap) [20:33] I'm using LUKS too [20:33] I would think that has some bearing on it but am not sure how the hibernation image gets loaded into memory [20:34] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-24-157.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[21:41] KaMii: I applied the patch it didnt work still the same error and everything [21:43] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [21:45] Nick change: estranho -> estranho_away [21:45] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:45] estranho_away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [21:46] alphageek (rooot@69-165-139-158.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:46] omegageek (rooot@69-165-139-158.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:47] off-topic: anybody use IMQ for band control ? 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[22:02] shell-fu: a lot [22:02] shell-fu: use your google-fu [22:02] Action: thrice` preferes ristretto on xfce to both [22:02] linXea (~Slackytux@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Quit: Did you cut the PoWaH bitch ? [22:02] fine! [22:02] ristretto is nice thrice` [22:03] viewnior is better than ristretto [22:03] pffft [22:03] ristretto can beat up viewnior any day of the week [22:03] ;) [22:04] BP{k}: thankz man] [22:04] Action: popl searches to see what viewnior is [22:04] popl: what is ristretto ? [22:05] :D [22:05] skycrash: it's an image viewer for xfce [22:05] viewnor looks ugly :p [22:06] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-31-251.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [22:06] it looks ok [22:07] stinky (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-txnbqtiprqrgcgsg) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:07] It doesn't seem as cluttered as a ristretto window [22:07] stinky (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-waamllsxdkogyyis) joined ##slackware. [22:07] I don't know how fast it is [22:07] (since I never used it) [22:07] I'm pretty easy with image viewers as long as I can manipulate the controls with a keyboard [22:08] how do I know if my kernel has nfs support [22:08] i forget if i turned that off or not [22:08] KaMii: check dmesg [22:09] for what [22:09] KaMii: hey, new slack, have a bug with module nfs on kernel? [22:09] for something mentioning nfs KaMii [22:09] dmesg | grep returns nothing [22:09] errr [22:10] a last week, i try use nfs-server or nfs-client (dont remember), but show me a error [22:10] grep nfs [22:10] dont remember error to, but anything is wrong [22:10] no error, just hangs and times out when trying to mount the nfs [22:11] i cannot figure out this nfs [22:11] did alisonken1home go to bed or something? [22:12] taking care of family stuff - and waaaaaaaay past my bedtime - been up since 8pm last night [22:12] sleep is for the homeless [22:12] hah [22:13] the troubleshooting for nfs howto says i did everything right [22:13] just need to make sure nfs was compiled in my kernel [22:13] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:13] and i forget if I turned that off or not [22:13] Nick change: hitest -> hitest|badass [22:14] alisonken1home: go to sleep! [22:14] Nick change: evil|bird -> evil|badass [22:14] KaMii: not sure if it's needed - but try "modprobe nfsd" [22:14] or "lsmod |grep nfs" on both machines [22:15] WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/sound, it will be ignored in a future release. [22:15] bah, i get that messege on everything [22:15] and its never ignored [22:15] cd /etc/modprobe.d && mv sound sound.conf [22:15] |Slacker| (~cris@201.86.16.241.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:15] yay, the error message is gone [22:15] thanks, that was annoying me [22:16] sahko: I like viewnior [22:16] modprobe nfsd retuned nothing [22:16] KaMii: ok "ls /proc/fs" [22:16] see if something like "nfs*" is in there [22:16] ext4 jbd2 nfs nfsd nfsfs [22:17] yup [22:17] oooh and I can hit escape to exit [22:17] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.72) joined ##slackware. [22:17] popl: i know [22:17] nfsfs inidicates you have nfs available for the client side in that kernel [22:17] hrm, so i did everything the howto says [22:17] sahko: you knew I liked viewnior? [22:17] and troubleshooting, so that howto is incomplete [22:17] is that on both machines? [22:17] popl: yeah:) [22:17] sahko: you must be psychic [22:17] s/psychic/mental/ [22:17] nfs nfsd nfsfs xfs [22:17] ;P [22:18] that slackintosh [22:18] so yes they both have it [22:18] my /etc/exports [22:18] does it need a line on slackintosh? [22:18] slackintosh needs nfsd (server) and galaxy needs nfsfs (client) [22:18] and same with /etc/hosts.allow [22:18] . /etc/exports on slackintosh [22:19] yes, that is on slackintosh [22:19] hwat does /etc/hosts.allow show? [22:20] portmap, lockd, rquotad, mountd, statd, all have lines for galaxy and darkstar [22:20] portmap: 192.168.0.102 , 192.168.0.106 [22:20] thats how they look [22:20] maco (~maco@ubuntu/member/maco) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:21] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [22:21] /mnt/Saturn 192.168.0.102(rw) 192.168.0.106(rw) [22:21] that is my /etc/exports [22:21] on slackintosh [22:21] i have not edited/made anything on the other machines [22:21] maco (~maco@mackenzie.morgan.name) joined ##slackware. [22:22] maco (~maco@mackenzie.morgan.name) left irc: Changing host [22:22] maco (~maco@ubuntu/member/maco) joined ##slackware. [22:22] iceheart (~nihao@114.89.33.227) joined ##slackware. [22:22] KaMii: i tried patching the kernel it didnt work....but i did learn alot about the kernel :) [22:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.72) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:22] zaythan: what is the error wow gives you? [22:22] and when does the error show [22:23] mmm pizza [22:23] KaMii: when I try to run the wow.exe and it shows err:wgl:X11DRV_WineGL_InitOpenglInfo couldn't initialize OpenGL, expect problems [22:23] you need d3dx9 [22:23] sh winetricks d3dx9 [22:23] kk [22:24] also go for sh winetricks vcrun6 [22:24] i think its 5 [22:24] err 6 [22:24] do sh winetricks [22:24] it will bring up a list [22:24] KaMii: as a test, on slackintosh, comment the lines in there now and add "ALL: LOCAL " [22:25] alisonken1home: in which file? [22:25] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.72) joined ##slackware. [22:25] . /etc/hosts.allow [22:26] ok, done [22:26] on slackintosh, in a console do "tail -f /var/log/syslog", then try mounting again on galaxy [22:27] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:27] nothing shows at all [22:27] last activity was 3 hours ago [22:27] how about /var/log/messages [22:27] wow, new firefox, who would have thought [22:28] Jul 24 04:07:17 slackintosh -- MARK -- [22:28] hmm [22:28] no notes about galaxy trying to mount from slackintosh ..... [22:29] i know, i dont get it [22:29] tells me that galaxy is not sending nfs requests [22:29] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-23-19.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:29] Kevin` (~kevin@CPE-72-133-198-144.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:29] maybe nfs is not turned on? [22:29] or my router is blocking everything [22:29] my router has a tendacy to be like that [22:30] Kevin` (~kevin@CPE-72-133-198-144.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:30] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-17.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:30] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [22:30] should i assign specific ports for nfs and port forward those on the router? [22:31] because that is the only firewall i have [22:31] Port forwarding means you want to access it from outside. You definitely do not want NFS open to the outside. [22:31] oh, ok ya, thats very true rob0 [22:32] so that firewall should not at all be affecting this [22:32] and no computers are in the DMZ [22:33] well, could be your router is interfering, no way (for me) to know. [22:33] the router is also a switch? [22:33] yes [22:33] im guessing yes [22:34] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] since there were messages from darkstar to slackintosh, I'm guessing it's not a router issue [22:34] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:35] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [22:35] (about nfs attempts) [22:35] i can ssh and ftp and all that funstuff no problem [22:35] but nfs... its being dumb [22:35] we know there's a connection available - the problem is galaxy does not appear to be sending nfs requests to slackintosh [22:36] slackintosh is ip 0.102? [22:36] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:36] no [22:36] 104 [22:36] adamorja1es (~adamorjam@adsl-66-137-227-0.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:36] galaxy is 102 [22:36] yes [22:36] 404 [22:36] ok - on galaxy, you type "mount -t nfs 192.168.0.104:/mnt/S,.... /mnt/nfs" correct? [22:36] ok [22:37] no go [22:37] any danish people here with excellent knowledge of php/mysql ? [22:37] Action: KaMii is swedish, but no knowlege of mysql [22:37] bah [22:38] jeev: kan du inte sov? [22:38] and what does slackintosh /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages say about nfs requests? [22:38] KaMii: ^^^ [22:38] nothing in messages [22:38] what [22:38] zaythan (~zaythan@ip68-1-71-150.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:38] what happens on galaxy? also look at /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog on galaxy [22:38] i'm not from EU [22:38] nothing in syslog [22:39] zaythan (~zaythan@ip68-1-71-150.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:39] jeev I know php/mysql, but not danish [22:39] jeev: if your danish you should understand some swedish [22:39] fy fan [22:39] i'm not danish :) [22:39] damn woh3. [22:39] then why ask for danish? [22:39] KaMii: do you have a /var/log/nfsd directory on slackintosh? [22:40] yes [22:40] what's in there? [22:40] because i have a friend who coded something, danish everywhere and he passed away. i want his wife set up with someone who can help maintain the code [22:40] jeev: what do you think of the new song? love the way you lie or something [22:40] nothing [22:40] raela, didn't care for it but it's warming up to me [22:40] i dont like rihanna [22:40] jeev: google translate would work well for that I think [22:40] woh3, it's a pretty big website :D i need a guy to maintain it heh [22:40] it's ok i'll find [22:40] it's not rush [22:40] Action: KaMii doesnt know danish that well [22:40] Nick change: hitest|badass -> hitest [22:41] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@69.73.76.5) joined ##slackware. [22:41] I think she works well in the song. I like it. it sounds a bit like some of his earlier songs, to begin with [22:41] lol badass [22:41] it throws me slightly [22:41] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:41] dunno [22:41] I guess some of the lyrics are in others, and he says them similarly.. [22:41] my swedish suxs also [22:41] haha [22:42] xcuse me, whats that website that needs mainteinance? [22:42] alisonken1home: is it possible that nfs got broken during the port over to slackintosh? [22:42] shouldn't have [22:43] ive read late [22:43] i didnt thinks so either [22:43] perhaps i could help [22:43] nfs is a pretty standard protocol - and ppc chips have been around a loooong time [22:43] w Isis___ [22:43] isis... it's ok [22:44] :S what did i miss? [22:44] i must have missed something [22:44] jeev: I'm probably just crazy anyway.. eh.. or definitely am [22:44] i edited /etc/exports /etc/hosts.allow /etc/hosts.deny [22:45] yup [22:45] turned on nfs (it is runing and all its other processes) [22:45] ahh yeap , now i read, im good at php+mysql but im not danish, i could manage to undersatand, perhaps [22:45] cool, i think i'll hold off for now till i find someone i know / am comfortable with. thanks though [22:46] what the hell is up with these evil| people [22:46] portmap, lockd, mountd, rquotad, statd are all saying ALL in /etc/hosts.deny [22:46] jeev: -OT theme night [22:46] cool [22:48] skycrash (sky@187.59.95.35) left ##slackware. [22:49] KaMii: interesting. I just did "/bin/sh /etc/rc.d/rc.rpc start && /etc/rc.d/rc.nfsd start" on my desktop [22:50] Hello Slackware people. [22:50] added "/home2 10.254.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash)" to /etc/exports [22:50] on my laptop, I did "/bin/sh /etc/rc.d/rc.rpc && mount -t nfs 10.254.0.102:/home2 /mnt/nfs" [22:50] mounted fine [22:50] evil what? [22:50] and that is _all_ of the steps I did [22:51] let me try that then [22:51] I am wondering if Slackware will be easier or harder to use than Arch Linux. [22:51] isw (~i@static-71-252-134-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:51] blarg nothing on tv [22:51] <|Slacker|> slack is way easier imho [22:52] usage /etc/rc.d/rc.rpc start|stop|restart [22:52] adamorja1es: harder [22:52] if you can follow instructions and read, theres nothing to slackware [22:52] KaMii: my hosts.allow and hosts.deny are both empty :) [22:52] i'm wondering too adamorjales [22:52] I've bee using Arch Linux for a couple of years. [22:52] *been [22:52] adamorja1es: best way to find out is to try it and see [22:53] Yeah, I'm going to start with VirtualBox. [22:53] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:53] alisonken1home: I emptied both hosts.allow and hosts.deny [22:53] still nothing [22:53] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [22:53] something is blocking me [22:54] You have iptables set up? [22:54] KaMii: on galaxy "iptables -L" [22:54] empty [22:55] empty on Slackintosh also [22:55] maybe its my custom kernel? [22:55] "route -n" on galaxy [22:55] 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 202 0 0 eth0 [22:55] 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo [22:55] 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 202 0 0 eth0 [22:56] ok - something's up with galaxy's nfs setup then [22:56] Action: KaMii thinks its the custom kernel [22:57] you may have missed a module or two [22:57] can you reboot with a stock kernel on galaxy? [22:57] yes [22:57] try using a stock kernel and follow the steps I did to get my laptop to mount my desktop [22:58] i will boot into HUGE-smp [22:58] but Slackintosh is on a stock kernel [22:59] are you still troubleshooting slow ssh transfers to a freaking g4? [22:59] seriously wtf [22:59] no evilwire [22:59] ok good [22:59] we are trying to get a connection [23:00] alisonken1home: still no connection on huge-smp kernel [23:00] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-20-193.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:00] restarted /etc/rc.d/rc.rpc and rc.nfsd on slackintosh, started /etc/rc.d/rc.rpc on galaxy? [23:01] yes [23:01] /bin/sh /etc/rc.d/rc.rpc start && mount -t nfs 192.1 [23:01] 68.1.104:/mnt/Saturn/ /mnt/Saturn/ [23:01] Starting RPC portmapper: /sbin/rpc.portmap [23:01] Channel flood from KaMii -- kicking [23:01] Starting RPC NSM (Network Status Monitor): /sbin/rpc.stat [23:01] KaMii kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [23:01] KaMii (~nebulae@91.90.30.50) joined ##slackware. [23:01] dude [23:01] oops [23:02] 4 is too many [23:02] thought it was only 3 lines [23:02] one of my wireless SSIDs is nebulae [23:02] I kid you not [23:02] ok - try the mount command again now that rpc is running [23:02] gtfo out of my head [23:03] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [23:03] nothing [23:03] and no messages in /var/log/messages or syslog [23:03] on slackintosh [23:03] so its not my custom kernel [23:04] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.81.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:04] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-23-19.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:04] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [23:04] it has to be something else [23:04] this is weird becuase galaxy was freshly installed slack 13.1 2 days ago [23:04] try moving the cable that goes from galaxy to the router into a different port on the router [23:04] define 'nothing' [23:04] full install (execpt kdei and t) [23:04] ananke: no nfs messages in /var/log/syslog [23:04] Action: ananke still wonders what the actual symptom is [23:04] or messages [23:04] no new messages for a few hours [23:05] alisonken1home: i have no more ports open on the router [23:05] they are all in use [23:05] what happens when you try to run that mount command? [23:05] nothing, it just times out after a few minutes [23:05] mount.nfs: Connection timed ou [23:05] out [23:05] then it's routing or netfilter, rather than nfs support [23:05] cp failed [23:05] KaMii: the messages you should be seeing are something like "mountd[20897]: authenticated mount request from 10.254.0.11:763 for /home2 (/home2)" [23:06] and "mountd[20897]: authenticated unmount request from 10.254.0.11:808 for /home2 (/home2)" (when unmounting) [23:06] ya, but im getting nothing in there [23:06] the only messages pertain to slackintosh [23:06] KaMii: rpcinfo -p from your nfs client. what does it produce? [23:06] restart syslogd? :) [23:06] this is happening across a privately addressed, routed network or the Internet? [23:06] local network in teh 192.168 range for her [23:07] rebooting back int my custom kernel [23:07] how are router ports coming into play then? [23:07] KaMii: ok - on the router, swap the network cables between darkstar and galaxy [23:07] eviljames: residential router/switch [23:07] local network [23:07] with dhcp [23:08] wait, are we talking physical ports or transport ports? [23:08] backonline [23:08] KaMii: ok - on the router, swap the cables between darkstar and galaxy [23:08] umm, i will disappear then [23:08] on here [23:09] so galaxy gets plugged into the port that darkstar is in, and darkstar is plugged into the port that galaxy is in [23:09] if you're quick enough, wont take long :) [23:09] ok, brb [23:09] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@69.73.76.5) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:09] lol [23:09] KaMii (~nebulae@91.90.30.50) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:10] KaMii (~nebulae@91.90.30.50) joined ##slackware. [23:11] back [23:11] try it again [23:11] didnt work [23:12] :S [23:12] and this time, start rpc, wait for it, then try mounting [23:12] something very wrong is happening [23:12] oh i didnt restart the services [23:12] Action: ananke still wants to see output of rpcinfo -p [23:12] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:12] ananke: on the server or the client? [23:12] on the client: rpcinfo -p [23:12] rabbitear (~juice@74-61-119-99.anc.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [23:12] k [23:13] nothing [23:13] define 'nothing' [23:13] KaMii: on galaxy, type "rpcinfo -p 192.168.0.104" and pastebin the output [23:13] ok just a sec [23:14] KaMii: as a quick check what does "mount" by itself show? [23:14] (ignore local disks like /dev/sdaX) [23:15] www.pastebin.com/yrEqrD6G [23:16] zaythan (~zaythan@ip68-1-71-150.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:16] ok - what does "mount" show? [23:16] mount shows /dev/root proc sysfs usbfs tmpfs [23:16] i wont cp paste it all because i will get kicked again [23:17] but thats the basics of what it shows [23:17] that's what pastebin is for :) [23:17] but i cant pastebin on this comp, dillo hates pastebin [23:17] or pastebin hates dillo [23:18] so i have to move to another comp to pastebin [23:18] is there a lynx pastebin script somewhere [23:18] because that would save my life [23:20] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:22] is it just me, or does it seem that every simple task seems to be a HUGE mess of things on my systems [23:22] woh3 (will@nv-67-232-145-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [23:23] ok - on galaxy, edit exports and add a directory, then enable nfsd and rpc [23:23] after that, go to slackintosh and try to mount the directory from galaxy [23:23] if it fails, then reboot galaxy into huge-smp and do the same thing again [23:24] brb [23:24] alisonken1home: it worked [23:25] but then when I try to go into that folder it says permission denied, but df says its mounted [23:25] evilwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: None [23:25] permission denied is good. it simply means you need to configure your export or use the right userid [23:26] ok good [23:26] likely you're doing this as root, and you didn't use no_root_squash [23:26] so that works, then slackintosh is either fcked up or galaxy is being a n00b [23:26] yes im doing it all as root [23:27] Action: KaMii wants bacon and eggs... but im banned from the kitchen [23:27] and theres not bacon [23:28] gooph (nuser~hkcs@71.21.135.229) joined ##slackware. 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[23:42] I know 12.1 works because I have some machines at my old job running 12.1 [23:43] and exporting drives [23:43] well this is puzzling [23:43] ok - on slackintosh, edit exports so the options read (rw,no_root_squash) [23:44] . /bin/sh /etc/rc.d/rc.nfsd restart [23:44] then try mounting from galaxy again [23:44] or having galaxy mout slackintosh again [23:45] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:45] exportfs: /etc/exports [2]: Neither 'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export "192.168.0.106:/mnt/Saturn". [23:45] that's ok [23:46] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [23:46] same for Galaxy [23:46] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [23:46] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb71e.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:46] no mount, same issue [23:46] hmm [23:47] ok - something with slackintosh then [23:47] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:47] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:47] :S [23:47] greetings and salutations [23:47] slackintosh hates everything [23:47] palm pilot, nfs [23:47] y0 andarius [23:47] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.33.78) joined ##slackware. [23:47] salutations alisonken1home [23:48] long time no see [23:48] I have been hiding in the inter-bushes :) [23:49] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:49] i guess nfs is busted on slackintosh [23:49] how can i debug this? [23:51] many applications are built with TeX, LaTeX, etc.. support [23:52] Action: KaMii looked at LaTeX once... got a headache never looked at it since [23:52] my eyes were crossed for a week [23:52] yes, but just because you don't use it does not mean other applications wont [23:52] try two ibuprofen and a quick glance [23:53] grep PACKAGES.TXT for LaTeX [23:53] on galaxy, try "mount proto=tcp -t nfs 192.168.0.104:/mnt/S.... /mnt/nfs" again [23:53] shonudo: i took Alvedon and a nap [23:53] artveee (~artveee@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:53] heh [23:53] Gimped (~Gimped@c-98-248-193-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] the next one to try would be "mount nfsvers=2 -t nfs 192.168.0.104:/mnt/S.... /mnt/nfs" again [23:55] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:55] both those give me a usage list for mount [23:57] zaythan (~zaythan@ip68-1-71-150.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:58] gh (gh@unaffiliated/gh) left ##slackware. [23:58] try "mount -o nfsvers=2 -t nfs 192.168.0.104:/mnt/S.... /mnt/nfs" again [23:58] it worked! [23:59] unmount and try nfsvers=3 [23:59] worked [00:00] --- Sat Jul 24 2010