[00:00] hopefully they can do a better touchup than me [00:01] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [00:01] newslacker (~kc@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [00:01] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@187.64.65.190) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [00:01] Helpmeee (~sdf@ip24-136-38-77.ga.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:02] happyslacker (~happyslac@71-20-52-214.war.clearwire-wmx.net) joined ##slackware. [00:02] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:03] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-182.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:03] If someone actually answers this, it will prove once and forever that slackware is all-knowing. Question: Why is there a 1/3 in this equation instead of the 1/12 as in the equation given in the book I = (1/12)*b*h^3 + A*d^2 [00:03] http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9900/needhelp.jpg [00:05] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:05] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-78-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] Help. Unable to print using CUPS after upgrading to `-current'. [00:08] removepkg cupsddk [00:08] cups ddk is now a part of the cups package (read the changelog.txt) [00:08] i would say remove that package and then reinstall cups from -current (upgradepkg --reinstall) [00:09] then reboot if necessary [00:09] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [00:09] newslacker1 (~kc@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [00:10] veritos (~koenig@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:11] newslacker (~kc@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:12] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] good evening everyone [00:12] heya,mfillpot [00:13] yo MLanden [00:13] Looks like integration is being used in that math equation. [00:13] MLanden, could I ask your your opinion in Pm? [00:13] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:13] mfillpot, sure [00:14] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@187.64.65.190) joined ##slackware. [00:14] Integral of 2x=x^2. [00:14] (for example). [00:14] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.239) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:15] ebros (~ebros@adsl-99-160-180-57.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:16] LSD` (~ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [00:16] Helpmeee, try a math channel like #mathematicians [00:16] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.73.174) left ##slackware ("I have to re-boot."). [00:18] Nacl how's the script? [00:19] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:19] Holy crap, cpanp will call sudo when trying to install things. Perl is becoming more magical by the day. [00:20] mancha: grep UNCOMPRESSED /var/log/packages/* | awk -F: '{ print $NF " " $1}' | sed "s/^ *//" | awk '{printf "%8s %s\n",$1,$2}' | sort -rn | less [00:20] probably some overkill in there [00:20] NaCl: what are you trying to do ? [00:20] uncompressed sizes ? [00:20] does it do what you want? [00:20] trhodes: yes [00:21] mancha: yes [00:21] Blikjeham (~Blikjeham@reson.soleus.nu) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:21] o_O [00:21] crap. i wish I saved my awk one from when I trimmed down a slack intsall to fit on a 4GB machine [00:22] no package name though [00:22] mancha: yes, it's there [00:22] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:22] mancha: example line: 51090K /var/log/packages/perl-5.10.1-x86_64-1 [00:23] !! | awk '{ print $1, $2 }' | cut -c 19- [00:23] Just to make the pipeline more impressive [00:24] i musta copy failed here no package name [00:24] veritos (koenig@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [00:25] Blikjeham (~Blikjeham@reson.soleus.nu) joined ##slackware. [00:25] same here, i gotta fix it [00:25] NaCl, i wonder if the package header format is changed, here $2 is the "K" not the name [00:26] It's 123123K here [00:26] aha, here there's a space between the number and "L" [00:26] er "K", so $3 and not $2 works [00:26] mancha: I'm running "old -current" [00:26] Because ATI is taking their sweet time [00:26] grep UNCOMPRESSED /var/log/packages/* | awk -F: '{ print $NF " " $1}' | sed "s/^ *//" | awk '{printf "%8s %s\n",$1,$3}' | sort -rn | less [00:27] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:27] mancha: watcha running? [00:28] i forget, it's manchaware v666 at this point [00:28] it's a mish mash of everything good [00:28] what is that script supposed to print out [00:29] list of "SIZE /var/log/packages/PKGNAM" [00:29] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Necrosporus [00:29] SiegeX is gonna straighten this out :) [00:29] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-181-253.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:29] trhodes: what are you running? [00:29] NaCl, so on your box, who's king of the bloat? [00:29] hmm interesting, some packages have the K with no space and others with a space [00:29] a 12.2 [00:30] mancha: texlive [00:30] awk /PATTERN/ mathces lines like grep [00:30] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-181-253.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:30] oh geez, why would you ever install that? tetex is fully operational an 1/100 the size [00:30] I know like almost nothing about awk [00:31] mancha: because I was messing with it, and when I was using latex last year, I didn't feel like installing extra packages and running texhash every time [00:33] mancha: if texlive wasn't there, OOo would be the winner [00:33] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@187.64.65.190) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [00:34] OOo is so bloated! heh [00:34] you have the pre-compiled one that packages the kitchen sink? :) [00:34] yes [00:34] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@187.64.65.190) joined ##slackware. [00:35] happyslacker (~happyslac@71-20-52-214.war.clearwire-wmx.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:36] mancha, see firefox 3.6.2 was released a little earlier than expected [00:38] MLanded good to see, i was running a beta just in case. [00:39] acidtripper (~gonza@190.193.21.179) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:39] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:39] i guess the pressure was big given the brouhaha over the 0-day [00:40] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-95-109.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:40] must've been [00:40] ebros (~ebros@cpe-76-167-170-143.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:40] Action: NaCl will wait for pat to push out a package [00:40] because the release schedule until a day or two ago was 3/30 [00:42] godling (~nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [00:46] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.73.174) joined ##slackware. [00:48] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:50] NaCl, try this one out fer size: cd /var/log/packages; grep UNCOMPRESSED * | awk '{ print $4 " " $1}' | sort -rn | sed 's/:UNCOMPRESSED//' | less [00:50] you might have to change the $4 for your system, not sure what it becomes. [00:51] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:51] I think that was pretty much the first one I posted [00:51] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:51] awk '/UNCOMPRESSED/ { print $4 " " $1}' /var/log/packages/* [00:52] i don't get package names with that [00:52] same [00:52] hmm, ok [00:52] grep prepends the filename of the match so the $1 grabs it [00:52] oh, whoops nevemind me then [00:52] *never [00:54] I removed and installed the CUPS package, yet no luck. [00:54] Helpmeee (sdf@ip24-136-38-77.ga.at.cox.net) left ##slackware. [00:57] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-181-253.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:00] for i in var/log/package/*; do basename ${i%%-[0-9]*}; done; [01:00] :D [01:00] er, packages [01:00] not package :) [01:02] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:02] godling: fail. [01:03] 1) it should be /var/log/packages 2) that doesn't do anything with regards to what is being tried to achieve. [01:03] BP{k}: I corrected the s/package/packages thing [01:03] jeez [01:04] godling: read what I am saying and check that against what you were saying. [01:04] Help! PSC_1400 is not ready [01:05] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [01:06] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [01:07] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:08] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Quit: © [01:09] BP{k}: I concede that it might not achieve the required end result, but I did correct the pathname. [01:09] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:09] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [01:09] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [01:09] godling: no you did not. [01:09] leading slash was missing too [01:09] DarinV (~supervl@ip68-97-146-89.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:09] godling: "/var/log/packages" and "var/log/packages" are slightly different. [01:09] oh ugh [01:09] evening [01:09] I didn't copy/paste it [01:10] godling: excuses excuses. :P [01:10] we run a tight ship here on ##slackware... [01:10] lastlog rob0 [01:10] whoops [01:10] was he here ? [01:10] BP{k}, ok - what did I miss by logging in late? [01:10] uhm... any idea why my printer is now refusing to print anything, saying "Unsupported personality: PCL"? [01:10] oh whatevs [01:10] what are you guys trying to get if not the package names? [01:10] I removed and installed the CUPS package, yet no luck. [01:11] anyone still using slac 11? [01:11] did you install the hp printer stuff? [01:11] NaCl, ^^ [01:11] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-181-253.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] godling: uncompressed sizes (although i myself am not paying enough attention to know), sorted [01:11] alisonken1noc: Sorry, I didn't follow you. [01:12] alisonken1noc: it was working fine until a moment ago [01:12] and yes, it's here [01:12] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:13] Mel-nix, ? [01:13] alisonken1noc: restartng the printer made it happy [01:13] Mel-nix, that was actually for NaCl :) [01:14] alisonken1noc: Oh. Sorry, I thought it was for me. :( [01:14] alisonken1noc: hp printer stuff is definitely installed, it was working fine until a moment ago, then I restarted the printer, and now it's happy again [01:15] Someone, please help me with my problem: I removed and installed the CUPS package, yet no luck. [01:15] Mel-nix, is it usb? lp? serial? [01:15] did it work before? [01:17] alisonken1noc: USB multifunction. It worked before upgrading to `-current'. [01:17] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [01:17] Mel-nix, hmmm - any particular reason you updated to -current? typically, you only want to run -current if you know what you're doing so Pat can get feedback on issues [01:18] With -current, bad things can happen [01:18] Running -current is like juggling chainsaws. [01:18] It can be thrilling, and be really awesome, but it's dangerous. [01:18] (if you care that you computer works) [01:19] Mel-nix, ok, is hplip installed? [01:19] alisonken1noc:NaCl: At least they should have provided workarounds/tips/hints in ChangeLog or CHANGES+HINTS documents. [01:19] Mel-nix: plenty in the ChangeLog. [01:20] that's what the README is about - the changelog is mainly just what was updated in packages and why [01:20] And IIRC, CHANGES_AND_HINTS is only update on releases [01:20] alisonken1noc: there are some hints in there, like "oh, hda is now sda" [01:20] alisonken1noc: Yes. [01:20] as for your printer, it's recognized by the system, all print cartridges are good, and paper is installed? [01:21] smoothly transitioning from hda to sda naming requires a bit of cleverness [01:21] among other things :) [01:21] Use UUID? [01:21] Or even label? [01:21] NaCl: Yes, I found that one helpful. [01:21] uuid in fstab make a lot of sesne [01:21] do what I did - upgrade, then boot from dvd to fix [01:21] mancha, indeed. [01:21] *makes [01:21] mancha: It did not cause much trouble for me. [01:22] I do that for a portable backup drive. [01:22] yeah, its a very good abstraction [01:22] No need to worry if it's mounted at a different point because of a different USB port, or what. [01:22] mancha: my time spent worrying about the libata switchover on my desktop machines was like 0 [01:22] yay grub! [01:22] grub ftw [01:23] alisonken1noc: # lpstat -v shows the printer. [01:23] time to go. cya all later [01:23] seeya [01:23] Mel-nix, does dmesg show the printer being recognized? [01:24] Grub is that thing that never went stable and then the developers abandoned it for grub2 which is really unstable so I hear. [01:24] Motoko, it works [01:24] Yes, I know. [01:24] alisonken1noc: Yes. [01:25] Mel-nix, did you try the cups interface and see if the printer is stopped? [01:25] but your joke is noted, they did have an interesting development cycle [01:26] Interesting isn't really the best way to put it. [01:26] alisonken1noc: How? [01:26] open webbrowser, "http://localhost:631" [01:26] hahahahahhaha http://i.imgur.com/590Ev.png safe for work [01:27] or in kde menu "KDE->Applications->System->Manage Printing (CUPS)" [01:27] alisonken1noc: Is there another way such as lpadmin(8), lpinfo(8), etc. ? [01:28] NaCl: what about something like: " grep -H UNCOMPRESSED /var/log/packages/* | awk -F: '{ print $NF "\t\t" $1 }' | awk '{ print $1 "\t\t" $NF }' | sort -nk 1" [01:28] jeev, sadly true for many people. [01:28] eddief (~eddief@cpe-67-247-24-129.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:29] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [01:29] Mel-nix, try "lpc" (which should be a softlink to lpc-cups) [01:30] man lpc or man lpc-cups [01:30] Motoko-chan, yea i know hahaha [01:31] alisonken1noc: printer is on device 'hp' speed -1 [01:31] alisonken1noc: printing is disabled [01:31] ok - try running lpc with the enable printing option [01:31] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:32] meanwhile the u.s. underperforms internationally at the high school level, the usps is in a budget crisis and fedex/up/dhl didn't come about for no reason, the fda is constantly messing up on their regulations and have been accused of swaying to lobbies, etc [01:32] alisonken1noc: There is no such option. Did you mean cupsenable(8) ? [01:33] mancha, every business has problems. [01:33] s/the usps// [01:33] :) [01:33] It's not like anyone is saying government stuff is perfect. [01:33] DHL is german. [01:33] also, the legal tender was just bailed out, to the tune of how many trillion? [01:33] They bought Airbourne Express. [01:33] tuition for CSU is up 33% this year [01:34] Which originally was for super-fast floral deliveries from Hawaii. [01:34] Gulug (old-times@master.gulug.com.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:34] Mel-nix, give it a try [01:34] Also, those delivery companies often take on more dangerous cargo. [01:35] martin_hex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:35] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Disconnected by services [01:35] Motoko-chan: like what? [01:35] you mean volatile chemicals and thel ike? [01:35] Yeah, I believe they will handle small amounts. [01:35] godling, which state university are you referring to? [01:35] Motoko, sure. I am just pointing out that the little jpeg had as its thesis: how can you complain about govt provided health case as enjoy hundreds of well-functioning other govt provided services. I am just asking if those are really well-functioning. [01:35] Gulug (~old-times@master.gulug.com.br) joined ##slackware. [01:35] I think FAA regulations prevent large Lithium Ion battery shipments for anyone though. [01:36] alisonken1noc: I tried cupsenable(8), still no luck. [01:36] MLanden: specifically Cal Poly Pomona but there have been tuition hikes all across the CSU system. [01:36] mancha, they might not be well-functioning, but they do the things others wouldn't or couldn't do. [01:36] Mel-nix, what command and options did you use, and what was the response [01:36] godling, ok [01:36] Mel-nix, also, is there a reason why you don't want to use the web interface to cups? [01:36] Did you guys read about the [dumb as hell] protests in the news? [01:36] Most of the time, they function well enough. [01:37] Nick change: martin_hex -> martinhex [01:37] biker (~biker@201.170.210.119.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [01:37] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:37] MLanden: There are also other problems, like state furlough days where all the offices have to shut down [01:37] the last one was on the Friday before finals week. [01:38] That was awesome -- there was one computer lab open and the printer was out of service. [01:38] not to mention staff support was not working so all the professors working that day had to either think ahead in terms of supplies or be out of luck [01:38] alisonken1noc: I used cupsenable PRINTERNAME and now lpc(8) outputs: printing is enabled [01:39] and does it print? [01:39] mancha, take out your checkbook, uncle sam wants your money. [01:39] if you use the web interface, there's an option to print a test page (nice with colors or greyscale as needed) [01:40] jeev: They don't need mancha to write the check, they can just siphon the funds directly from his account. :) [01:40] jeev, ain't it scary? soon your paycheck will just get direct deposited at the u.s treasury [01:40] mancha, i write my own paycheck. [01:41] godling, he has no funds anyway, he spent it on doritos, that's his diet! [01:41] i love doritos [01:41] how'd you guess? [01:41] omg, that's another thing. you can sign up for direct deposit at my university but when you do so you have to agree to let them dip into your account whenever they want. [01:41] oh wait, i think you're trying to insult me because i might have hinted that i don't agree with you? [01:41] godling, patriot act rule or just cause ? [01:41] nope. mancha, you have health care ? [01:41] jeev: it's in the small print [01:41] godling, that's sick. [01:42] yeah [01:42] mancha, who's your insurer [01:42] alisonken1noc: $ lpr -P PRINTERNAME file # does not print. [01:42] my insurer is Yuck Fu Ltd [01:42] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-182.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [01:42] also you can't pay with visa any longer because visa didn't want to agree to a 2.9% "convenience" fee [01:42] lol [01:42] thought so, you're not insured [01:42] so now my school only accepts mastercard [01:42] godling, to lower the rate ? [01:42] isn't that some bullshit? [01:43] oh, visa wouldn't allow the school to charge 2.9% additional ? [01:43] correct sir [01:43] Mel-nix, try "cat | lpr -P PRINTERNAME" if you insist on not using web interface to check [01:43] yea i thought most merchants wont let you do that, it's against policy [01:43] It should be, jeev. There are two places I know of that do it anyways. [01:43] jeev: merchant contracts require that credit cards accepted by merchants will NOT change pricing because they used a credit card [01:43] there should be laws preventing non-fixed "convenience fee's" [01:43] what about discounts for cash transactions? [01:43] can that be done? [01:43] debit cards were later and were exempt from that clause [01:44] cash is illegal [01:44] mancha, NOT IN THIS SOCIALIST country! [01:44] 1. My University, 2. Ahmed's liquor store two blocks away. [01:44] godling, ahmed is always fucking us. [01:44] but he's nice to me, they all are. [01:44] oh boy, jeev's got a hardon for me now, what'd i do. how do i ever shake him off my leg? advice? [01:44] alisonken1noc: $ lpq -P PRINTERNAME # shows that device is ready, but "no entries". [01:44] mancha, /ignore works great. or just not talking stupid works fine too [01:45] hahahh, talking stupid means disagreeing with jeev [01:45] Mel-nix, did you see my post about how to send a file to lpr? [01:45] mancha: it's difficult. you're manly. I'm having a hard time keeping it from rubbing against the monitor as it is. [01:45] mancha, i > * when it comes to issues., i'm like slackware vs ubunti, there is NO denying it [01:45] alisonken1noc: Yes, I tried that too. [01:45] NaCl: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/0EQ9C881.html .. slightly refined solution + examples ;) [01:45] Mel-nix, ok - stupid question, did you do a full install of slackware? [01:45] mancha: i'd try peeing,can't hurt :) [01:46] Nick change: NetrixTa1dis -> NetrixTardis [01:46] Rat, not a bad idea, if that don't shake him off then a flamethrower is next [01:46] pee, ew. "peeeeeew" [01:46] lol [01:46] mancha, flame throwers actually turn me on.. [01:46] flamethrower over ip? [01:46] those are expensive. [01:46] can it be done? [01:46] encapsulated in udp frames [01:46] alisonken1noc: No. [01:47] not if you get the firewire ones [01:47] hey, if we can pass health care, we can do flame thrower over ip. [01:47] what does its inventor, al gore, say? [01:47] Mel-nix, then it sounds like you missed some packages, like ghostscript [01:47] al gore, "2000 was mine" [01:47] oh you're talking about ftoverip ? [01:47] not sure [01:48] since I don't know how you installed, and not sure of required packages, not much else I can help with [01:48] i only seriously listen to peace prize winners [01:48] everone else is a chump [01:48] I only seriously listen to my wife and my boss [01:48] alisonken1noc: aren't they the same? ;) [01:48] and even then only about 1/2 the time [01:49] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:49] BP{k}, ok - the wife and the guy that writes my paycheck :) [01:49] man [01:49] cs professors are procrastinators [01:49] alison, do you always have the last word when you argue with your wife? "yes dear"? [01:49] mancha: ah, the voice of experience? [01:49] mancha, yes, dear :0 [01:49] grades are due to be posted tomorrow and only one of my three professors has posted my grade [01:49] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:49] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [01:49] alisonken1noc: I have ghostscript installed. [01:50] BPk that the only way those canend if you wanna stay sane and/or alive [01:50] It's no wonder that the majority of CS students in my school are procrastinators -- look at our role models. [01:50] alisonken1home, doesn't the guy write the pay check and it goes straight to the wif e? [01:50] noc [01:50] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [01:50] only if they're silly enough to get married. [01:50] Mel-nix, it sounds like the problems are 1) you're running -current without knowing how slackware/linux works 2) you didn't do a full install, so don't know what's required [01:50] ;) [01:50] godling, we're all suckers here. [01:51] i'm not married though but will be i'm sure by the time the GOP takes over and destroys our lives [01:51] Mel-nix, the note about ghostscript was an example of possible required packages without knowing what you did/did not install since it's not a full system install [01:51] If I get married I'm going to marry a dude just to piss off my family. [01:51] wow [01:51] someone put that on that nube tube site [01:51] 15 minutes of fame ftw :P [01:52] nube tube? is that anything like bash.org? [01:52] yea [01:52] noobfarm [01:52] oic [01:52] awk '/UNCOMPRESSED/ {print $4,FILENAME}' /var/log/packages/* | sort -rn | less [01:53] damn i had forgotten about the filename token, trhodes wins this one [01:53] :P it's better than my last one [01:53] I was halfway to a really ugly perl one-liner [01:53] but then I lost all hope [01:53] nice indeed, i like it [01:54] Action: BP{k} already filed the solution 8 minutes ago :P admittedly trhodes solution is a bit shorter ;) [01:54] mine was a lil' different, it was in each of the pkg class directories [01:54] i know, i just can't stand pipes with awk :P [01:54] was trhodes teh person who presented the problem initially? [01:54] no, but I solved it once before [01:55] godling: no NACL [01:55] chage it to {print $4"\t"FILENAME}' and i'm happier [01:55] trhodes: hmm I would say .. throw in a tab or two to make it more readable.. yeah what mancha said. [01:55] pffft [01:55] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [01:55] was readability an express requirement? [01:56] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:56] godling: no, but it makes things a lot easier on the eyes to quickly digest information. [01:56] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) joined ##slackware. [01:57] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:57] pesky human limitations [01:58] if humans, in this form still exist in a hundred years.. i seriously wonder how bad it'll be for the average person [01:58] apparently double-spacing is actually easier to parse as well. [01:58] in the us that is [01:58] here's a slight variation of throdes' winner: cd /var/log/packages;awk '/UNCOMPRESSED/ {print $4"\t"FILENAME}' * | sort -rn | less [01:58] so maybe you should throw a newline in there just to be fancy [01:58] yeah, that is cleaner [01:58] bloodlust (~root@tm1.mdd.com.my) joined ##slackware. [01:59] exbio (~ada@189.178.144.28) joined ##slackware. [01:59] exbio (~ada@189.178.144.28) left irc: Changing host [01:59] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [01:59] eddief (~eddief@cpe-67-247-24-129.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [02:00] bloodlust (~root@tm1.mdd.com.my) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:00] something's wrong here, and it is not just at this last version, happened with nacl's too, my smallest files are wrong [02:01] wrong as in how? [02:01] my last line has no size [02:01] hmm [02:01] ok.. [02:01] trhodes, you're always here helping :p [02:01] no need for anything but awk.. =) [02:01] actuallym no it is fine, it just leaves an extra one at the end [02:02] yes, i knew SiegeX would kick my butt [02:02] ok [02:02] i saw that awk monster the other day and was in awe (and i sort of know awk) [02:02] awk -F: '/UNCOMPRESSED/{gsub(/[^0-9]+/,"",$2);arr[i++]=sprintf("%09d %s",$2,FILENAME)}END{asort(arr);for(n=0;n oh ew [02:03] eddief (~eddief@cpe-67-247-24-129.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:03] awk: cmd. line:1: fatal: cannot open file `/var/log/packages/' for reading (No such file or directory) [02:03] oops - missed the trailing * [02:03] yep [02:03] (it worked for me) [02:03] ugly formatting though [02:04] maybe... i'm gettin different results :P [02:04] mancha: in what way [02:04] 172700 /var/log/packages/gcc-java-4.4.3-x86_64-1 [02:04] 377130 /var/log/packages/kernel-source-2.6.32.7-noarch-1 [02:04] put a \t in the sprintf [02:04] interesting results [02:04] sprintf("%09d\t%s",$2,FILENAME) [02:04] thats what i was going to say [02:04] nicer [02:05] just replace with \t if you dont like the space [02:05] now, how to strip /var/log/packages/ from that output [02:05] that's scarier than any perl monstrosity I could think of. [02:05] just another sub [02:05] haha [02:05] really? at least the syntax makes sense [02:05] i mean with perl its $_ that and $_ this [02:06] yes it is awesome [02:06] but ugly [02:06] awksome [02:06] .. [02:06] it looks alot like C when its not a 1-liner [02:06] Perl? [02:06] cd /var/log/packages;awk -F: '/UNCOMPRESSED/{gsub(/[^0-9]+/,"",$2);arr[i++]=sprintf("%09d\t%s",$2,FILENAME)}END{asort(arr);for(n=0;n it can also be simplified if you leave in the leading 0's [02:06] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:07] couldn't you set FS instead of -F: ? [02:07] and take out the sub(/^0+/,"",arr[n]) [02:07] mancha: was trying to think about how in the awk script, otherwise yes [02:08] bloodlust (~root@tm1.mdd.com.my) joined ##slackware. [02:09] siege, i think there's a bug and it doesn't print the last line from the sort [02:10] awk -F: '/UNCOMPRESSED/{{sub(/^.*\//,"",FILENAME);gsub(/[^0-9]+/,"",$2);arr[i++]=sprintf("%09d\t%s",$2,FILENAME)}END{asort(arr);for(n=0;n hmm, i think i screwed up something [02:11] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [02:11] ahh right [02:11] "Unexpeced newline or end of string" at print arr[n]}} [02:11] too many {'s in the beginning [02:11] awk -F: '/UNCOMPRESSED/{sub(/^.*\//,"",FILENAME);gsub(/[^0-9]+/,"",$2);arr[i++]=sprintf("%09d\t%s",$2,FILENAME)}END{asort(arr);for(n=0;n that got it [02:12] still misses the last one [02:12] haha [02:12] wee [02:12] n<=i [02:13] awk -F: '/UNCOMPRESSED/{sub(/^.*\//,"",FILENAME);gsub(/[^0-9]+/,"",$2);arr[i++]=sprintf("%09d\t%s",$2,FILENAME)}END{asort(arr);for(n=0;n<=i;n++){sub(/^0+/,"",arr[n]);print arr[n]}}' /var/log/packages/* [02:13] shoudl be n<=i [02:13] ahh, now I get the same results [02:13] yes, there you go. [02:13] Mel-nix, did you install -current, or did you install 13.0 and upgrade to -current? [02:13] trhodes: same results as which command [02:13] are you guys getting the very first one? [02:13] commands rather [02:13] as the wimpy one I did [02:13] ya, paste that [02:14] now the most interesting thing.... [02:14] libungif is no size [02:14] alisonken1noc: I Installed 13.0 and then upgraded. [02:14] hmm, the first one has no size [02:14] the smallest in both Sige's and trhodes is a repeat with no file size [02:14] ya i see that as well [02:14] the last one in mine didn't either [02:14] and it is a repeat, the same package is inside the list somewhere with its realfile size [02:15] ahh [02:15] i know why [02:15] last one being? [02:15] ==> /var/log/packages/libungif-4.1.4-i486-4:usr/doc/libungif-4.1.4/UNCOMPRESSED_GIF [02:15] that is matching [02:15] libungif on mine [02:15] yes libungif [02:15] aha [02:15] and it shouldn't [02:15] shit [02:15] ah [02:15] make the match more intelligent [02:15] anchor [02:15] awk -F: '/UNCOMPRESSED PACKAGE SIZE/{sub(/^.*\//,"",FILENAME);gsub(/[^0-9]+/,"",$2);arr[i++]=sprintf("%09d\t%s",$2,FILENAME)}END{asort(arr);for(n=0;n<=i;n++){sub(/^0+/,"",arr[n]);print arr[n]}}' /var/log/packages/* [02:15] that's why I used grep -m1 in my statement :) [02:16] trhodes: awk '/UNCOMPRESSED PACKAGE/ {print $4"\t"FILENAME}' * | sort -rn | less [02:16] :) yeah [02:16] well. ##slackware has become ##slackware+###awk [02:16] true dat [02:16] I still say trhodes had the shortest and most cleanest solution :) [02:16] managing packages with awk isn't unreasonable though [02:16] never know what you'll learn here [02:17] awk is so scary though [02:17] haha one liners are [02:17] awk is simple [02:17] mancha: that wont work until you deal with the extra space between the number and the 'K' for certain packages [02:17] i always have a space [02:17] yeah, i think I found that was the format before [02:17] hydrogen cyanide is simple. it is scary. [02:17] hmm, I don't [02:17] 4840K /var/log/packages/znc-0.080-i486-1_SBo [02:17] 110 /var/log/packages/zoo-2.10-i486-1 [02:17] 8110K /var/log/packages/zsh-4.3.10-i486-1 [02:17] Channel flood from SiegeX -- kicking [02:17] last 3 entries [02:17] SiegeX kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [02:18] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [02:18] heh should have pasted 2 lines [02:18] other than trhodes has $1 where you want FILENAME [02:18] http://codepad.org/PsVxQmFS [02:19] mucho strange...have the makepkg's used on your machine differed? [02:19] you can see I have many package where there is space after before the K [02:19] maybe, I've upgraded this box all the way from 10 to where we are now [02:19] mine has those problems too [02:19] so it's not just his :( [02:20] findutils has a K appended in the first column for me [02:20] except for -current testing, I've pretty much always did a clean install with /home on a separate partition [02:20] (that, and pkgtools) [02:21] screw that, just do slackpkg upgrade-all and bitch about the broken stuff later. ;) [02:22] awk '/UNCOMPRESSED PACKAGE/{gsub(/[^0-9]+/,"",$4);print $4"\t"FILENAME}' /var/log/packages/* | sort -n [02:23] that should handle both cases [02:23] and actually, its faster even with the fork to sort [02:23] at least for the number of packages I have [02:24] nice fix :) [02:24] you can get rid of the '+' in [^0-9] [02:24] DeputyDERPDERP (~batman@r75-110-36-127.gvllcmtc01.gnvlnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [02:24] gsub(/[^0-9]/,"",$4) [02:24] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4134, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-03-15 04:15:14 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [02:24] here trhodes line is faster [02:24] why am i on a site called noobfarm [02:24] im totally pro yo [02:25] DeputyDERPDERP: your mom is a pro [02:25] yo [02:25] thats where i got my pro-ness from [02:25] no, just half of it [02:25] but they're all good. i missed bpk's 1-liner [02:26] ITC - Non-pros telling me how pro i am [02:26] mancha: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/0EQ9C881.html [02:26] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:26] makes me think of http://cache.kotaku.com/gaming/n00bcard.jpg [02:26] slackadelic spies on you! [02:26] DeputyDERPDERP: sooner or later everyone ends up on noobfarm [02:26] nah i like the submission they got of me [02:26] slackadelic is watching you poop [02:26] but why is it noobfarm [02:26] ive never been on noobfarm [02:26] FFFFFFFFFF- [02:26] good n00bcard :) maybe we should get them printed [02:27] system is gonna lock up for you saying that botnet [02:27] no it isnt [02:27] weirdly, most n00bfarm content is not n00bs [02:27] i havent done anything but install nvidia [02:27] well imma pray to the slackware gods to do it [02:27] non believers will be shot down [02:27] but maybe thats the culprit, which is why im not installing anything else until it does lock up again [02:28] probably that gay porn you downloaded [02:28] trhodes: depending on your def'n of the term noob [02:28] i can only guess its the init script modifications i did [02:28] nah its the porn [02:28] how i get my rating high on noobfarm [02:29] +1? [02:29] really [02:29] comon [02:29] or the viruses i probably installed with wine [02:29] psYcker (~psYcker@201.156.108.196) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:29] DeputyDERPDERP, just post noobfarm material [02:29] if imma be on this site i need to get pro on it [02:29] if you want something to shoot for, "Search straterra" [02:29] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1880 [02:29] There's a quote about a lemon barrel on noobfarm. [02:29] I don't get it. [02:29] everything DeputyDERPDERP says is noobfarm material [02:30] thats in the privacy between me and the internet [02:30] i googled staterra is its adhd meds [02:30] atomoxetine [02:30] see mr scientist knows what im talking about [02:30] bet he gots loads of pharms under his bed [02:31] pill pillow [02:31] eddief (~eddief@cpe-67-247-24-129.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:31] I have dead things under my bed. [02:31] DeputyDERPDERP, no - on noobfarm.org, enter "straterra" in the search box [02:32] (with thoughts of a possible new noobfarm entry for DeputyDERPDERP) [02:32] *sigh* [02:32] oh, he's there already [02:32] once [02:32] "new" means "something not there before", not always "something not related to someone that's not there before" [02:32] im pro at noobfarm [02:33] noobfarm is the biggest collection of in-jokes since the Bill of Rights [02:33] heh [02:33] wow political jokes [02:33] really? [02:33] i got one [02:34] whats black and dead [02:34] your face after I stab it [02:34] you fucked up the joke [02:34] now the rest of us will never know the end of the joke [02:34] i hope you can live with yourself [02:34] it's like the Breakfast Club [02:35] or life [02:35] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [02:35] that doesnt make sense [02:35] which part? [02:35] all of it [02:35] also breakfeast club is an overrated movie thats boring as hell [02:36] bunch of teenagers hanging out [02:36] in the Breakfast Club there's a part where Bender is crawling through the crawlspace and telling a joke but falls through the ceiling before he gets to the punchline [02:36] lets talk about some slacking [02:36] what have you broke today? [02:36] in life everybody dies before they get to the punchline [02:37] death _is_ the punchline of the joke of life [02:37] the punchline is death [02:37] too latye [02:37] you gotta think quick if you wanna hang here [02:37] youre a pretty dark person mancha [02:37] bet you listen to marlyn manson [02:37] yep you figured me out. ok, what's next? [02:38] was trying to have nice conversation that i forgot. [02:38] shit i got offtrack coming here [02:38] was originally talking about why is the site called noobfarm [02:38] im totally pro [02:38] change the name of the site [02:38] I listen to Antony & the Johnsons and cry a lot. [02:38] so i fit in [02:38] thats just sad godling [02:39] lol [02:39] Chasen (~Chasen@72.51.105.55) joined ##slackware. [02:39] Hey kids at home, try this command: rm -rfv /* [02:39] Chasen (~Chasen@72.51.105.55) left irc: Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) [02:39] this seems legit [02:39] the awesome thing about irc is that nobody knows when you're joking [02:39] ORLY ? [02:39] youre doing it wrong then godling [02:39] --no-preserve-root* [02:39] how did that idoru bot pick that up so quickly? [02:40] DeputyDERPDERP: no, misinformation is important too [02:40] it happened earlier today [02:40] a lot [02:40] oh wait, theres an asterisk, nevermind [02:40] but that would expand to root [02:40] expand to fuck [02:40] just incase you want to be really reall slow and use bash for everything but the sorting... [02:40] for file in /var/log/packages/*; do read a b c size < <(grep "UNCOMPRESSED PACKAGE" "$file"); echo -e "${size%%K}\t $file"; done | sort -n [02:40] How do I add a user to the `lp' group? [02:41] yay bash [02:41] i think the alien bob thing's funny, why're your complaining? [02:41] what alien bob thing? [02:41] SiegeX: slow is right: 0.81s user 1.74s system 94% cpu 2.707 total [02:41] talking about my pro edition to noobfarm [02:41] hell yeah trhodes [02:42] but it gets it DONE [02:42] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.59.187) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:42] yeah, i like pure bash [02:42] when i idle and have little running my processor is running at 10-20% [02:42] pidgin raeps my cpu [02:42] is noobfarm.org primarily ##slackware quotes? [02:42] afaik that's all it is [02:43] wow, so it really is a bunch of in-jokes [02:43] wtf is a in-joke [02:43] you wouldnt understand [02:43] YOU DONT UNDERSTAND [02:44] hah [02:44] Action: godling kisses botnet on the mouth [02:44] a joke that is appreciated only by members of some particular group of people [02:44] like a spoon when all you need is a knife [02:44] an inside joke? [02:44] wat just happened, im all soggy now [02:44] what the fuck is an in-joke [02:44] swish [02:44] an internet joke, derrr [02:44] the soggy is from the rain thats always coming down in seattle [02:44] Action: godling drops a bucket of slime on mancha [02:44] and your roof broke 10 days ago [02:44] >implying i go outside to get into the rain [02:45] i said your roof broke [02:45] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@187.64.65.190) left irc: Changing host [02:45] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [02:45] that's another in-joke, mancha [02:45] gogie (~paulnamua@unaffiliated/gogie) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:45] mr roof is nto broke [02:45] also internet says i got panic attacks [02:45] not pms [02:45] so imma try to score some drugs [02:45] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.73.174) left ##slackware ("Not of much help."). [02:46] make sure they're good [02:46] how would you know. youre too lazy to stare up [02:46] do it [02:46] googie (~paulnamua@122.52.153.173) joined ##slackware. [02:46] look away from my computer? no way [02:46] you can also do this if you don't care much about the formatting: grep "UNCOMPRESSED PACKAGE" /var/log/packages/* | sort -t: -k3 -n [02:46] once you look away is when the botnet gets you [02:47] I see chasen or his bot is bakc [02:47] back [02:48] i shaved my face yesterday [02:48] don't shave with a webcam [02:48] trhodes, noobfarm has other quotes as well, but since it's creator is a slacker, it's mostly ##slackware quotes [02:48] alisonken1noc: ok [02:48] how fast do i become a haxxor if i grow a neckbeard [02:48] SiegeX: there's something to be said for that method [02:48] I shaved your moms back the other day [02:48] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:49] ask len tower, richard stallman, alan cox, or alan black [02:49] DeputyDERPDERP, neckbeards is not a haxxor indicator [02:49] heh, i like noobfarm.com [02:49] yeah I hit that first SiegeX [02:49] i was going to say, I didn't know you guys were into shrooms [02:49] richard stallman thnks hackign involves using multiple chopsticks to eat [02:49] haha yeah [02:49] alisonken1noc is obviously not a haxxor [02:50] DeputyDERPDERP, obviously, you're new around here [02:50] I was like "wow, some nerdboys gonna meet some rednecks here!" [02:50] googie1 (~paulnamua@222.127.248.89) joined ##slackware. [02:50] obviously you are new to being haxxor 1337 pro -ness [02:50] why are we feeding trolls? [02:50] because it's a slow night? [02:50] you calling me fat? [02:50] feed shrooms to the trolls [02:50] that's entertain 'em [02:50] *that'll [02:50] you know, overuse of leet speek is an indication of an underlying emotional insecurity [02:51] trhodes: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0492486/ [02:51] googie (~paulnamua@122.52.153.173) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [02:51] i been to crazy houses before [02:51] n0t tru3 [02:51] no emotional insecurity here [02:51] especially overuse of 1337speek in a techroom [02:51] mancha: didy ou get my in-joke earlier? [02:51] fun to talk aboot feelins [02:51] 1 4m v4ry s3cur3 [02:51] godling: lolz, wut ? [02:51] oops, i kant spell [02:51] MY NAME IS DERPDERP AND IM HERE FOR BATTERY ON A COP AND THREATING TO KILL MYSELF [02:52] HEY DERPDERP! [02:52] jeez [02:52] thats what its like in group in the crazy place [02:52] googie1 (paulnamua@222.127.248.89) left ##slackware. [02:52] Kayley (~Kayley@190.241.6.4) joined ##slackware. [02:52] Kayley (~Kayley@190.241.6.4) left irc: Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) [02:52] trhodes: mancha quotes the alanis morrissette song "Ironic" earlier and I dropped a bucket of slime on his head because she was on "You Can't Do That On Television". [02:53] you guys throwing me off track [02:53] why is it called noobfarm [02:53] s/quotes/quoted/ [02:53] godling: ahh ok (that movie looks awful, i wonder how it got a 4.7) [02:53] That was strange. idoru must have blocked the ip. [02:53] trhodes: It is horrendous but it is awesome. [02:53] DeputyDERPDERP, logic exercise for you - split "noob" from "farm" and come up with an explanation :) [02:53] lol [02:53] like Dead Snow [02:53] actually Dead Snow is much more awesome [02:54] doesnt explain the farm [02:54] does it look like im a farmer? [02:54] (looking up dedsnow now) [02:54] trhodes: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0779982/ [02:54] or i farm items? [02:54] ahh thanks [02:54] trhodes: that's also awesome [02:54] cbpye (~cbpye@c-71-229-54-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:54] DeputyDERPDERP, a server farm doesn't look like a midwestern farm either, but it's still a farm [02:54] does you look like a cow? [02:55] midwestern farm? [02:55] since we're talking tech here, I would have believed that you might understand that part [02:55] really, the rows of corn aren't a little bit like server racks ?? [02:55] sorry i dont live in the section of the usa where people go when they abandon their hopes and dreams [02:55] a spotted holstein? [02:55] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farm [02:55] trhodes: doesn't that look like an awesome premise for a film? [02:55] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [02:55] godling: haha yeah [02:55] the best tagline ever, too [02:55] godling, so was Vic Sahay who plays Lester on Chuck(on You Can't Do That Of TV) [02:55] "get ready for the violence of the lambs!" [02:56] MLanden: haha really? [02:56] awesome [02:56] night guys,have fun.have a good day/night. later [02:56] obviously some people had better career paths after that show ;P [02:56] i forgot that im in ##slackware [02:56] Rat409 (rat@bb-205-209-95-109.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("="). [02:57] Dead Snow: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1278340/ [02:57] anyone played world of goo [02:57] Nazi zombies ftw [02:57] bout to install it now [02:57] godling, http://www.ycdtotv.com/cast/index.php?p=sahay_vikram [02:57] hahahah [02:57] that's awesome [02:57] gogie (~paulnamua@unaffiliated/gogie) joined ##slackware. [02:57] I remember him from the show [02:59] Naraku (supergear@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:00] heh, I don't even remember typing #1821 [03:00] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [03:01] I remember it [03:01] DeputyDERPDERP (~batman@r75-110-36-127.gvllcmtc01.gnvlnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:01] Naraku (supergear@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:01] too bad some of the post-comments didn't make it as well [03:01] Naraku (~supergear@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:02] they're still at wigglit [03:02] hmm, its dated. I should look back at my logs [03:03] whoever wigglit is has a very detailed bio on their webpage [03:03] I just hope it's a matter of post-comments were actually posted and not just my mind thinking of responses :) [03:03] we live in a revisionist society alisonken1noc [03:03] go nuts [03:04] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [03:05] http://codepad.org/Xz6CK4qz [03:05] thats what I see [03:05] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.60) left irc: Quit: velusip [03:06] heh, you started the Eastwood thing out of nowhere and it just ran from there [03:06] Naraku (~supergear@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:07] Blikjeham (~Blikjeham@reson.soleus.nu) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:07] ok, quote #18 is ridiculous :P [03:07] Clit Eastswood in Harry Dirty [03:07] *Eatswood [03:07] well, I don't think I started it from nowhere, but it certainly took off [03:08] Clint Eatswood sounds like a gay porn star [03:08] here we go again :) [03:08] heh, doesn't take much does it [03:08] Hermann (~Hermannn@m90-137-108-166.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [03:08] Eatswad [03:09] not when geeks are bored [03:09] geez i have no recollection of that [03:09] awesome, I've never made it to bash.org or noobfarm.org [03:10] maybe we could get Dominian to do a mod so we can attach new material to old quotes? [03:10] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:11] or just edit old quotes entirely [03:11] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:11] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [03:11] attribute things to people who didn't write them [03:11] he can call it the wikipedia module [03:12] no? [03:12] not for noobfarm - woulnd't be nice :) [03:12] Hermann (~Hermannn@m90-137-108-166.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:13] whenever I see the handle "wigglit" I think of that song [03:16] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Changing host [03:16] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. 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[03:46] pragma_ (~pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:46] 'night =) [03:47] biker (~biker@201.170.210.119.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:48] well, things got real quiet all of a sudden [03:48] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:48] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) joined ##slackware. [03:50] Action: slava_dp is having dns resolver problems - the isp' dns is soooo slow sometimes [03:50] bummer [03:50] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [03:50] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-129-181-75.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:50] slava_dp: use google's [03:50] how tough is it to set up my own dns server for the lan, and to make it talk to upstream servers? [03:50] nameserver 8.8.8.8 [03:50] 8.8.8.8 [03:50] nameserver 8.8.4.4 [03:51] Google ns1 and ns2 [03:51] oh, ok. I'll try [03:51] not hard afaik (haven't done the dirty work) [03:51] 4.2.2.1 is also another one (public DNS) [03:51] thanks for the ns IP's :) [03:51] good to know [03:51] echo -e "nameserver 8.8.8.8\nnameserver 8.8.4.4" >/etc/resolv.conf [03:52] 6.9.6.9 is good for pr0n site resolving [03:52] hah [03:52] lol [03:52] lol [03:53] lol --> 6.in-addr.arpa. 600 IN SOA ns01.army.mil. [03:53] ewps! [03:53] alhtough I would have thought 69.96.69.96 myself [03:53] isdma [03:54] or 69.69.69.69 [03:55] pragma_ (~pragma@blackshell.com) joined ##slackware. [03:55] Nick change: pragma_ -> Guest80115 [04:00] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-433152.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [04:00] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-433152.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:05] 4.2.2.[1-6] is level3 [04:05] works great for me [04:08] pipes (~pipes@freedomisnothingtofear.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:08] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-157-114-0.range86-157.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [04:11] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:13] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [04:17] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-93-147.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:21] The-Croupier (~ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [04:21] SCO just finished their (currently) last witness today [04:21] Novell gets it's turn now [04:21] greetings [04:21] morning =) [04:22] hows things guys ;) [04:22] you missed the earlier discussion about a rehash on Clit Eastwood that was posted on noobfarm [04:23] alisonken1noc: ill go read the nb ;) [04:23] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-217.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:23] actually, it was the original post about clit eastwood from some months ago that got rehashed here because someone forgot they made the comment, but found it on noobfarm [04:24] which number ?? 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[04:28] #1895 [04:28] that would be interesting :) but it was just SiegeX noting that he didn't remember making that quote [04:28] lol [04:28] well, people forget as they get older ;) [04:28] Action: The-Croupier hides [04:32] dang [04:32] mirrors.tds.net rsync daemon must be down [04:33] bloodlust (~root@tm1.mdd.com.my) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:33] just used the ftp a bit ago [04:34] Action: slava_dp uses osuosl [04:34] that's what I use to rsync as well [04:34] someone was askin about an iso [04:34] bloodlust (~root@tm1.mdd.com.my) joined ##slackware. [04:34] i guess tds.net and cs.utah have it [04:35] *them [04:35] bloodlust: irc-ing as root ? [04:36] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [04:36] Action: slava_dp is preparing to hack bloodlust >:-] [04:37] slackboy has stopped caring about root irc'ers [04:37] I think it was brought up several times recently [04:37] don't know why he stopped caring [04:37] bloodlust: do you know how to run as a regular user / want some help doing so ? [04:38] anavel (~Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [04:39] wedjat (~wedjat@unaffiliated/wedjat) joined ##slackware. [04:39] alan booted someone recently for that [04:39] (several times) [04:40] but that's because the user was being anal - not because Alan had a root-login issue [04:41] any info on slackbook v3's progress? [04:41] that's Alan's purview - have to ask him [04:41] alisonken1noc: yeah, true [04:41] moar slackbook !!! [04:42] would be neat to seet it released with the next slackware though.... [04:42] man, that'd be like the good old days, when you got a book with your computer [04:42] the first rule is: don't talk about the slackbook! [04:43] haha [04:43] Camarade_Tux, who said that? :) [04:44] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:45] slava_dp: Alan_Hicks xD [04:45] lol [04:45] Camarade_Tux: the slackbook, is like the Bible ;) you have to talk about it ;) [04:46] i think we should quote stuff from it as well, for the new guys ;) [04:48] a quote bot for the channel would be nice, anybody else thinks so too? [04:48] yes [04:48] oops [04:48] a wtf like program would be neat for acronyms [04:49] Action: slava_dp is already in bloodlust's computer. no worries. [04:49] maybe I oughta just try and update wtf and then someone can make a bot out of it [04:49] signal11 (esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [04:49] whew [04:49] newslacker1 (kc@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. [04:50] what bots does this channel have ? [04:50] i know of slackboy [04:50] slackboy, that's it. and he's numb too. [04:50] haha [04:50] slava_dp: hey, slackboy is awesome ;) [04:50] he is just too serious to answer questions ;) [04:51] ##C has lots of bots [04:51] The-Croupier: lol [04:51] hes just too guru style...cannot be bothered with you mortals kind of thing [04:51] The-Croupier, you enjoy having evening conversations with him, do you? :) [04:51] slava_dp: i would love too....but i am not on that level yet..so...i havent even tried ;) [04:52] slava_dp: you need to make the right questions, if you want him to answer ;) [04:52] adobe flash is horrible [04:52] oobe: that is a fact, :p [04:52] slava_dp: if you ask the same questions more then twice, quickly he gets pissed off ;) [04:53] one thing i cant stand is how they become aware of bugs and not fix them [04:53] (i wonder how pdf got so popular) [04:53] oobe: in university they teach you bug awareness, and the compiler doesnt tell you how to fix them... ;) just that they exist [04:53] Thanks guys. :))) [04:53] so .... my bet is ...noone told them how to fix them [04:53] bloodlust (~root@tm1.mdd.com.my) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:54] ok [04:54] godling (~nobody@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [04:55] maybe adobe are insects, and only squash bugs that are not their own kind [04:55] trhodes: lol [04:55] oobe: how about gnash? [04:55] _mikee (mikee@2a01:270:0:ffff:ffff:90b2:0:2) left ##slackware. [04:56] is it any better? i know some people over in the BSD world use it ;) instead of flash player stuff...i dont know if its any different [04:56] i have to admit gnash is worse that adobe flash [04:56] someone should write an FF plugin to transcode the flv files to theora and use html5 [04:56] so is swf player [04:56] on the fly [04:57] oobe: i see... [04:57] i guess folks here know about the google html5 test ? [04:57] (youtube) [04:57] these are just observations [04:57] oobe: what do you mean by worse...or really bad..what happens that pisses you off so much [04:58] i dont expect a solution [04:58] well last time i tried gnash lots of content would not even load at all [04:58] ok.... are you sure its flash...and not something else? [04:58] /flash/gnash [04:59] main problem with adobe flash is embedded video only works for a little while before the sound disappears or stutters like a stractched record [04:59] yeah, i have a machine nearby with flash that does that [04:59] awful [04:59] it was about 3 months ago maybe gnash has improved [05:00] oobe: you see...i never had something like that in my computer...then again i dont use youtube and such much...;) [05:00] other problem is i like lots of tabs open and it uses 100% cpu if i dont use noscript cause lots of sites put pointless flash ojects into there code [05:00] but when i tried to load something...they seemed to work in both ... just fine [05:00] oobe: that is true ;) [05:01] http://www.youtube.com/html5 [05:01] and awful [05:01] youtube works fine at first somthing sets of that bug [05:01] opening a file with the helper app triggers it [05:02] so if you dont watch embedded videos often you wouldnt notice it [05:02] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [05:02] i read the bug report and was able to reproduce the problem [05:02] the bug report is really old [05:02] and ff blames adobe [05:02] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:02] so they wont make a workaround [05:02] which is actually fair enough [05:02] oobe: that is bad... and seems to be around for a long time ...from what you are saying [05:03] interesting random tidbit: http://www.youtube.com/my_speed [05:03] it is [05:03] heaps of new builds and revisions later its still identical to reproduce [05:03] well, if this html5 thing gets better ;) and actually works... i think flash will have a really bad time ;) [05:03] Guest80115 (~pragma@blackshell.com) left irc: Changing host [05:03] Guest80115 (~pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) joined ##slackware. [05:03] Nick change: Guest80115 -> pragma_ [05:03] we can only hope [05:04] oobe: you got url? [05:04] oobe: on how to reproduce the problem... is it the same in all OSes? [05:04] ive seen some video with html5 on wikipedia, interface/usage was ok [05:04] nice [05:06] The-Croupier, any youtube video page. to reproduce open a document if firefox like a pdf with okular then open a new youtube video that you know worked find previously [05:06] trends (~hp@174-23-47-129.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [05:06] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:06] trends kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Patero-ng, the net just got a bit wider. *.slkc.qwest.net is next, and then *.qwest.net. Then everyone on the whole ISP will think you're an asshat; it won't be just us any more :) [05:06] this however is not limited to youtube [05:06] most video streams eventually suffer the same problem [05:06] ohhh i see... [05:07] its the flash player that has the bug [05:08] oobe: my computers linux/bsd/windows everytime i tried to do something similar...not with okular...but they have crashed ff/IE 90% of the times [05:08] ok that sounds bad [05:08] i thought that was something to do with my computer ;) [05:08] didnt know it was a wider problem [05:08] its nothing to do with the problem im talking about [05:08] im trying to find the bug report i read for you [05:09] the problem your experiencing sounds worse [05:09] the problem with the flash plugin is the application helper hooks onto the sound device [05:09] init[1] (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:09] i was talking in #alsa about it that is how i found out [05:10] but that wont cause %100 cpu [05:10] your problem maybe misconfigured applications but im not sure why that would be [05:10] or the application you choose is the problem [05:11] so you could change the app to somthing known to work [05:11] brb [05:11] here is that link https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147659 [05:12] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.119.131) joined ##slackware. [05:12] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147659#c52 [05:12] oobe: can you FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" # or something to avoid the error ? [05:12] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:13] Guest62113 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [05:13] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [05:13] i think i dont have oss emulation setup [05:13] but no i havent tried that [05:13] oh, i guess I just wondered if a wrapper would change anything [05:14] what is rrd and why cant i configure ntop without it? [05:14] stoopit deps [05:14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RRDtool maybe [05:15] people make tools unnecesarily complicated [05:15] just fiking show me what i want; [dwim] [05:15] :( [05:15] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:16] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [05:17] oobe: that mention of pdfs holding the sound device open (at your second link) is a peeve of mine [05:17] i hate seeing xpdf in lsof /dev/snd* output [05:17] trhodes and other devs and ports too [05:17] mine xpdf is currently holding a tcp open [05:17] yes same here [05:17] dang, wtf [05:18] i hadn't lsof'd just plain xpdf [05:18] lucky ff restores tabs now days [05:18] the fine grained tab restore is nice [05:18] (as opposed to the whole session) [05:19] seamonkey does tabs aright too [05:19] i can kill it with impunity and get everything back [05:19] on restart [05:19] the previews are neat [05:19] when there's ram avail, yea [05:21] that rrd tool gallery http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/gallery/ is impressive [05:22] (but i can't help but think gnuplot and many other tools already do the graphing as well) [05:23] actually i havent seen the previews [05:23] maybe its cause im using swiftfox [05:23] maybe so [05:23] which is just a slightly modified ff version [05:24] seamonkey has small static images of the respective tabs on a mouseover of the tab bar [05:26] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:29] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [05:30] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [05:33] ok i have a prob; there's a `/co/' used as part of paths to find files, but i have no `/co/' in $PATH [05:33] hi, does this line: GL_RENDERER: Mesa DRI R300 20060815 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE2 NO-TCL from glxinfo means I have 3D acceleration enabled? [05:33] i need to find the source of that substr [05:34] alice_ (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:34] it's used in the ${CPPFLAGS} make var [05:34] bloodlust (~lee@tm1.mdd.com.my) joined ##slackware. [05:35] the include files that cppflags gets [05:35] -I [05:35] and t -L [05:35] t/to [05:36] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:38] with sed, how would I search for 2 and 23? [05:39] [2] [23] [05:39] do you want to text them? [05:39] or just find [05:39] well, how would i search for 0-9 and 00-99 ? [05:39] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [05:40] if they were both in the same spot [05:40] egrep "[0-9]" files; egrep "[0-9][0-9]" files [05:40] basically, I need to get a number, ubt I don't know how big it's going to be [05:40] if more than one digit then: [05:40] egrep "[0-9]+" files; egrep "[0-9][0-9]+" files [05:40] is it possible to do that in sed? [05:41] the sed s// patter wants to edit or change it; it's alittle more difficult with sed to just find and print [05:41] you could grep pattern and if true then sed to change it [05:41] grep && sed [05:41] in bash [05:42] hmm [05:42] do you want to change the pattern? [05:42] yeah [05:42] edit in place? [05:42] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [05:42] do you know what the result pattern is? [05:42] target pattern [05:42] ]here's what I have so far: [05:42] uptime| sed "s|.*u\([0-9]\).*\([0-9][0-9]\):\([0-9][0-9]\).*|\1d \2h \3m|g" [05:42] but it would break if uptime has 10 days [05:43] hmm [05:43] can you trim that uptime output before sed? [05:43] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.119.131) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:43] or with multiple seds to trim it? [05:43] you may have to try a script check for uptime <10 days, <100 days, etc, then call sed appropriately [05:43] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.119.131) joined ##slackware. [05:43] ahh [05:43] use head or wc -l [05:44] yeah [05:44] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:44] how are 100 days formatted in output? [05:44] one/line? [05:44] probably [05:44] well be sure first [05:44] Action: Reticenti comes back in 100 days [05:44] lol [05:44] learn uptime's output format [05:44] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:44] heh [05:44] read its src.c [05:44] for patter [05:45] 02:22:15 up 97 days, 21:42, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 <-- if I don't remember the server we've had up for >100 days, I'll be able to in 3 days :) [05:46] in "\([0-9]\)" how could I do "\([0-9].* \)" [05:46] that's fine. [05:46] where the space is the delimiter [05:46] umm, prefix space or affix? [05:46] suffix [05:46] oh, yeah it does [05:47] so, i think that fixes it then [05:47] k [05:47] 02:46:45 up 123 days, 4:20, 1 user, load average: 4.04, 6.17, 5.68 [05:47] Reticenti, ^^^^ [05:48] Reticenti in that output sample from Ken, i'd break it up with awk to the /aver/ then | awk to get the 3 num fields -F, [05:48] awk might be a better tool to use unless you grok perl [05:48] einars8 (~einars@212.93.100.166) joined ##slackware. [05:48] imcrementalism has its place :) [05:48] but not for demlibs :) [05:49] not libdems? [05:49] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [05:49] no, because `demlibs' sounds more like slang for `the libs' [05:49] Reticenti: use character classes [05:49] heh [05:49] CC's suck [05:49] ok here's my sript [05:49] script [05:50] ie, [[:blank:]] and [[:alnum:]] [05:50] bootsy: 03:50 AM# uptime 03:50:45 up 591 days, 12:04, 1 user, load average: 0.47, 0.51, 0.45 [05:50] 03:50:45 up 591 days, 12:04, 1 user, load average: 0.47, 0.51, 0.45 [05:50] Reticenti: uptime | awk '{print $3}' [05:50] dang alisonken1noc [05:51] i thought 200 was good [05:51] :P [05:51] well, still looking for the other couple that have been longer [05:51] whoops, Reticenti i see more what you want [05:51] uptime|awk -F, '{$1=$2=$3="";a=$0} { print}' [05:51] 03:53:29 up 841 days, 22:53, 1 user, load average: 2.23, 2.15, 2.32 [05:51] like that one [05:51] 10:48:32 up 916 days, 18:24, 1 user, load average: 1.34, 1.47, 1.27 [05:51] wow [05:51] start with that to see result and build on it [05:51] Nick change: Guest62113 -> akber [05:51] jhw ftw [05:51] wow what? [05:51] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:51] ;) [05:51] (the uptime) [05:52] akber (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Changing host [05:52] akber (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [05:52] 05:51:30 up 10 days, 15:56, 10 users, load average: 0.10, 0.27, 0.24 [05:52] 09:51:41 up 200 days, 12:32, 16 users, load average: 0.04, 0.13, 0.09 [05:52] i'm plead florida power sucks [05:52] well i have about 2,500 hosts here i could check for uptime [05:52] DONT [05:52] heh [05:52] well, a pointer is another server has a higher uptime, but still have to find it [05:52] well, my desktop's uptime sucks -- my ups isn't good enough for the boondocks [05:53] where's ret? he quit the bastage [05:53] he did :/ [05:53] jhw: I think I have a couple of more that 2500, but it's close [05:53] :) [05:53] i hate doin homework when they quit [05:53] all those dead neurons gone to waste [05:53] haha yep [05:54] ok my turn [05:54] so, there's a elusive `/co/' in the gcc -I pattern [05:54] i cant find the source of it [05:54] i killed 2 config.site files [05:54] reconf'd [05:54] config [05:55] it's still there; made clean; should i kill conf.log too? [05:55] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.73.174) joined ##slackware. [05:55] jhw: where do you work? [05:55] pipes (~pipes@jaki.org) joined ##slackware. [05:56] uptime is for servers [05:56] european hosting provider [05:56] ah [05:56] just whois my ip ;) [05:56] for desktops, sure, but still, doesn't really mean much [05:56] Action: Delahunt is more interested in suspend-to-ram working well on a desktop or laptop than he is in uptime for a desktop/laptop [05:56] went car shopping today in Japan [05:57] vehicle prices are about equivalent, but you don't find V6 and V8 vehicles, more like 660cc I3 or 1.1 to 2.0L I4 engines, all wheel drive and CVT are much more prevalent here [05:58] Hi, anyone using wine and latest stable kernel (2.6.33)? I have got some strange crashes lately with this combination [05:58] Delahunt: where are you from? US ? [05:58] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [05:58] jhw: to give you an idea, we have 6 nagios monitors running. one nagios monitor is checking status on 4508 hosts [05:58] here in europe most engines are between 1.0 and 2.0 l too I think [05:58] at least in .nl [05:58] surrounder, yes, i'm just IN Japan, not from here [05:58] Delahunt: yeah figured [05:58] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Client Quit [05:58] most vehicles advertise 19km/L brand new 4WD [05:58] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [05:59] Delahunt: think V6 and V8 are only common in the US :P [05:59] i don't mind it, i actually like my 660cc subaru, but it's old and i am thinking i could use something a bit more respectable [05:59] Morn [05:59] I liked my 1000cc honda gold wing, too. unfortunately, the wife won't let me replace it [05:59] alisonken1noc: hah! nice [05:59] we also use nagios for primary monitoring. it has 4100 hosts (servers, routers, switches). we are currently using 16 dedicated servers for checks plus two virtual machines [06:00] alisonken1noc: with boxes on it so I looks like a car on 2 wheels? :) [06:00] *it looks [06:00] surrounder, those are saddle bags, not boxes :) [06:00] hehe [06:00] well to me, small engine is good, since 40km/h is the top speed locally, and a small car is easier to find a parking spot for [06:00] so long as i can put 4 people in it, i don't care [06:00] jhw: nagios sure helps there doesn't it? :) [06:00] i'll get one for me that's as fuel efficient as i can justify in price, then let the wife get whatever she wants [06:00] yup, unfortunately our company is thinking about replacing it [06:00] right now it's km/L per $$ [06:00] dang - that sucks [06:01] no one knows how to manage that, though [06:01] how to manage nagios? [06:01] to manage the replacing [06:01] ah [06:01] Delahunt: wise, fuel is expensive [06:01] we've hacked nagios to meet our needs ;) [06:01] Action: Zordrak heard someone say nagios......... [06:01] heh [06:01] i have abandonment issews [06:01] Action: surrounder pets naios [06:01] *nagios [06:01] can't type today, sorry about that [06:01] hi, this is my Xorg.0.log: http://www.pastie.org/882376 do I have hardware acceleration enabled or not? [06:02] alreadygone: Yes [06:02] you isp's are the bain of us users' existence! [06:02] bahahaha [06:02] I've been looking at writing a python script to parse the nagios reports in near-real time. currently, we have an email parser, but it's sometimes a little behind in reports [06:02] adamk, glxinfo | grep direct returns nothing [06:02] !troll python [06:02] ok; the `/co/' is IN the tarball [06:02] The last line from dmesg reads "usblp0: removed" [06:02] woops, sorry, wrong channel for that =) [06:02] fking coders [06:02] you think US is bad? [06:02] try when you get snowed in, internet dies [06:02] not the tld, people [06:02] your patrons [06:03] alreadygone: RIght, because Mesa was packaged wrong on Slackware 13.0, leading to a broken version of glxinfo. [06:03] or you get emailed in japanese by your ISP and you figure out later what they meant (i.e., internet will be down) [06:03] heh [06:03] i dont read isp mail [06:03] so HW accel *is* enabled [06:03] einars8 (~einars@212.93.100.166) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:03] (i still find it ironic that they email you to tell you email/internet will be down) [06:03] alreadygone: The GL_RENDERER string you posted here (and on #radeonhd) earlier shows that you have 3D acceleration. [06:03] alreadygone, have you searched (possibly wikipedia) on dri and dri2? [06:03] yea [06:03] ok so is there a 12.2 rrd pkg ready to go? [06:03] ok alisonken1home, I'll search that [06:04] thank you adamk [06:04] alreadygone: Having said that... [06:04] alreadygone: FOr much of last summer, there was a bug in Mesa that led to very poor performance on integrated ATI GPUs. [06:04] alreadygone: I do not know if this was fixed before slackware 13.0 was released. [06:05] ^ Could that be the reason why I cannot print? [06:05] no printer? [06:05] adamk, which GPU should I buy for PCI Express slot my Motherboard has? can you recommend? [06:05] nvidia [06:05] alreadygone: Depends on your needs. [06:05] Personally, I avoid nvidia at all costs. [06:05] I don't play games [06:05] adamk: O_o [06:05] I've never had any luck with their proprietary drivers, constantly locking up my machine. [06:05] Mel-nix, can you pastebin what shows up in dmesg when you plug in the printer? (all lines that result due to that) [06:05] So I only use cards for which there are open source drivers. [06:06] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-138-47.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:06] adamk, so you only use intel? 8-) [06:06] what else is there beside ATI and nVidia? [06:06] Delahunt: No, I mostly use ATI. [06:06] *upchuck* [06:06] ati has open source drivers? [06:06] Delahunt: For all except their latest HD5xxx GPUs, yes. [06:06] libtool: cd: ./co/lib: no such dir/file [06:06] my ATI X1800XT wasnt just bad in linux it was bad in LILO! The black background showwed up green [06:07] I can play ut2004 quite happily with open source drivers on an HD4850. [06:07] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-93-147.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:07] when is there gonna be a new `unix hardware list' that ~esr did last century? [06:07] Action: alreadygone Googling ATI HD4850 [06:07] Blikjeham (~Blikjeham@reson.soleus.nu) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:07] Mel-nix, unless you fully upgrade to -current or fully downgrade to slackware 13.0, there's not much anyone can do for you except guess [06:08] alreadygone: If you're not really into games, though, even a low end passively cooled HD4350 will work. [06:08] Well, relatively low-end. [06:08] ntop is broke; its dep rrd cant be built on slack-12.2; rrd is broke. [06:08] use slackware 13.0 [06:08] is ntop std in 13? [06:08] so, adamk I should look for a low end ATI Radeon™ HD 4000 Series then [06:08] Delahunt: I have fully upgraded to -current. Should I do it again? [06:08] ok, um, well use the cups web interface [06:09] see what it tells you [06:09] (that's what it was created for) [06:09] Delahunt is ntop part of 13? [06:09] alreadygone: adamk has had nvidia issues.. i never have. i recommend any reasonably new nvidia card [06:09] compare price vs speed [06:09] alreadygone, the card depends on what you want to do [06:09] alreadygone: Honestly, nearly any modern PCIe card from nvidia or ATI will give you accelerated 2D and accelerated 3D. [06:10] alreadygone: Unless you happen to have an issue with the driver. But that can happen with any card and any driver. [06:10] i might dispute the any against the accelerated 3d [06:10] Delahunt is ntop part of 13? [06:10] Zordrak: Oh? [06:10] tripFantastic, what is ntop? [06:10] which: no ntop in (/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib/java/bin:/usr/lib/kde4/libexec:/usr/lib/qt/bin:/usr/share/texmf/bin:.) [06:10] adamk: for the reason you said.. so so many driver issues [06:10] Delahunt: its on SBo [06:10] network peeking using the top style interface [06:11] Zordrak, ah [06:11] tripFantastic, www.slackbuilds.org [06:11] ignored [06:11] Meh... I don't think issues are really part of the norm, but, sure, they can happen for anyone. [06:12] try http://slackbuilds.org (without the www) [06:12] I understand, to anyone and any card. If not now then maybe in future [06:12] are you a gamer alreadygone? [06:12] nope [06:13] He said he wasn't. :-) [06:13] tripFantastic: iptraf [06:13] just watch a lot of movies [06:13] adamk: each person can only really speak from experience.. and ive yet to have a properly fully working ATI card under linux including laptop ati cards that caused a vertical artefact on ttys, to 9250s that ATI cant be arsed to support and are no good with the OS driver to my own X1800XT which wouldnt even start X..... but ive been through nvidias whole range here, i have 6200s, 7300s, 8400s, 9800s, Quadro NVS and all but one worked absolutel [06:13] Delahunt: When I run `hp-toolbox' I am able to see the printer. [06:14] depends on how much of a gamer...even simple games like ppracer require some 3d [06:14] cmk_zzz (~martink@122.58.182.213) joined ##slackware. [06:14] alreadygone: I will say that nvidia supposedly has been acceleration for HD video playback from what I understand. [06:14] ok - slackbuilds.org works with/without www [06:14] s/been/better/ [06:14] adamk: absolutely [06:14] Zordrak: Which is the exactly opposite of my experience. [06:14] even the entry level 8400s implement the vdpau B featureset [06:15] ok then, I'll google for a PCIe card with best support for linux then... [06:15] your going to get the same answers you are hearing here [06:15] The catalyst drivers from AMD do provide XvBA which has a VA-API backend, but I've never tried anything that uses them. [06:16] Mel-nix, ignore hp-toolbox and use the cups web interface. i did that myself: works great [06:16] trhodes ty [06:16] i can plug into almost any printer and print using that [06:16] (any HP, that is) [06:16] Delahunt: As root? [06:16] trhodes but i'm annoyed and really want ntop [06:16] heh.. just got tha god damn HP Designjet 500PS working last night with cups [06:16] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:16] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:16] had to make my own page dimensions though [06:16] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) joined ##slackware. [06:16] tripFantastic: yeah, duno if I can help ya there, iptraf has limitations :/ [06:17] printed a 42"x58" picture of a lemur :) [06:17] trhodes yea, that sucks [06:17] Mel-nix, as a user [06:17] i really dont care for other people's self-imposed boxes. [06:17] if you're not root it asks for the password [06:18] tripFantastic: where's the beef, freakazoid? [06:18] Zordrak in a roll at the supermarket beef cold box. [06:18] "... self-imposed boxes" ? [06:18] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [06:19] people still attached to the mental matrix of self-delusion. [06:19] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:19] well, everyone has their own little world they envelope [06:20] envelop [06:20] yea, lying to yourself sucks. [06:22] as i told someone in ##politics earlier today: stop allowing access to your mental programming. [06:22] Delahunt: What do I do after that? [06:22] tripFantastic: so.. are you done? [06:22] tripFantastic: oh good. ta ta then. [06:24] is there anyone who maintains slackware 11 anymore...I made a firefox 3.5.8 package for my distro that should work on any slackware 10-11 series [06:24] Mel-nix, check the printer status. if there's a fault, figure it out. if not, try recreating the printer. is it directly plugged into your computer? [06:24] DarinV, patrick? [06:25] do not know him [06:25] DarinV and? [06:25] DarinV, um, as in patrick volkerding, the one who is "the man" of slackware? [06:26] Slackware 11.0 gets bug fixes but no application version updates DarinV [06:26] And what is "my distro"? [06:26] Should we care? [06:26] supergamer [06:27] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:27] I have not seen any changes in slackware 11 from a mirror script for along time...that is why I am asking [06:27] Delahunt: Here's my dmesg output: http://pastebin.ca/1850146 [06:29] rrd is broke out of the tarball. 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[06:36] lsmod usblp and grep usblp /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist [06:36] grep usblp /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf [06:36] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:37] ok, blacklist.conf :) [06:37] if it is not blacklisted, maybe it needs to be (and visa versa) [06:38] Delahunt: usblp 9539 0 [06:38] so it's currently loaded [06:38] hmm [06:38] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.51.87) joined ##slackware. [06:38] hold on [06:38] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.51.87) left irc: Client Quit [06:39] hmm well that's the usb printer class, i wonder ... i think maybe that ought to be loaded [06:39] Mel-nix, uname -a ? [06:39] Delahunt: Not found in grep usblp /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf [06:39] why would usblp cause that? [06:40] l00t (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.67.216) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [06:40] Delahunt: Linux darkstar 2.6.33-smp #1 SMP Sat Feb 27 17:15:36 CST 2010 i686 Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5300 @ 2.60GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [06:40] maybe not usblp but the module itself on the drive? i'm getting suspicious [06:40] DarinV: did you ever check the /patches directory? [06:41] Delahunt: Which module? [06:41] Mel-nix, do you have a 64-bit system? or just a multi-core 32-bit system? [06:42] no I did not :( [06:42] alisonken1noc: 32-bit SMP. [06:42] Mel-nix, usblp [06:43] um try this: go to init level 1, and reinstall all kernel-related -current packages. i am suspicious that something is corrupted. reinstall cups also, and if cupsddk is installed (per the changelog) remove it [06:45] cool - guess I'll have to do some checking on my 64-current system now [06:45] Delahunt: All right, thanks so far. I will change to init level 1. [06:45] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.39.8) joined ##slackware. [06:46] who should I contact to see if they want to include a firefox update...as it is a security update also [06:46] Mel-nix, make sure you remove cupsddk FIRST [06:46] (if it is installed) [06:47] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.73.174) left ##slackware ("Changing to run-level 1."). [06:48] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-154-190.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:48] cmk_zzz (~martink@122.58.182.213) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [06:48] ok - guess we'll find out if he's been paying attention [06:49] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.39.8) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [06:50] brainvision (~brainvisi@95.238.47.2) joined ##slackware. [06:51] I want to mount an NTFS partition on Slackware, but I can only mount it as "read only" [06:52] try using ntfs-3g [06:52] writing is experimental, but people have been having decent luck with it from what I hear [06:52] Axelpalm (~alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [06:52] tsccof: mount /dev/ntfs_partition -t ntfs-3g /mount_point [06:52] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@a85-139-11-123.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:53] Axelpalm (alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left ##slackware. [06:53] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:54] thank you very much indeed! it worked perfectly [06:54] ah, is the option for users 'user' or 'users' in /etc/fstab? [06:54] n00b question [06:54] i remember reading somewhere in changelogs or else, about the correct place to configure default keyboard layout for X, but i can't find it. where is the place? [06:54] tsccof: man fstab [06:54] cat /etc/fstab and see what the other partitions say, or man fstab [06:55] zux1wrk: /etc/udev/rules.d/ [06:55] not xkbmap ? [06:55] hmm, do i write my own rule there? [06:55] zux1wrk: xorg.conf ? [06:55] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [06:55] thanks :) [06:55] i don't use xorg.conf and would like to stay that way [06:55] Action: SlackLnx boas 0/ [06:56] zux1wrk: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/08/30/slackware-13-0-xorg-hal/ [06:56] Oh, well what Zordrak said :) [06:56] err, setxkbmap [06:56] trhodes: no [06:56] ok :( [06:56] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-154-190.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:56] setxkbmap works, for one session, i could of course put it somewhere in scripts [06:56] trhodes: 13 uses hal for device info so hal needs to be corrected about its devices [06:57] zux1wrk: follow the link. its exactly what you need [06:57] but i do remember that hal was mentioned, so thanks Zordrak [06:57] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [06:57] ok, gotcha [06:57] fooy (1000@125.25.94.188.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:58] brainvision (~brainvisi@95.238.47.2) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [07:00] interesting "Tag" graphic on that page [07:00] i'm having progress with my slackware store problems, looks like i will at last get my order :) [07:00] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [07:01] yes, that's a nice flash tag cloud, Zordrak [07:01] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:01] actually, nice site :) [07:01] guax (~guax@189.4.99.206) joined ##slackware. [07:01] guax (~guax@189.4.99.206) left irc: Changing host [07:01] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [07:01] why not load it with the rc.keymap script [07:01] that's console [07:01] e01 (~e01@office.izrod.net) joined ##slackware. [07:01] X is a different beast [07:02] ebros (~ebros@cpe-76-167-170-143.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:04] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-39-247.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:04] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:04] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.73.174) joined ##slackware. [07:04] Zordrak, if i need to configure a variant also, would this be correct? [07:04] yes [07:04] look at the dvorak example on the same page [07:05] aha [07:05] saw it now [07:05] yuh [07:05] hmm [07:05] saw [07:05] is that correct? [07:05] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [07:05] seen [07:05] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-138-47.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:05] shortened from "i have seen it now" [07:06] Delahunt: I have done as you said. Re-installed cups, and the kernel+module packages. [07:06] or you can present tense it with "I see it now" [07:06] asamoah (~caio@190.244.63.154) joined ##slackware. [07:06] oD [07:06] heh [07:07] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net expired. [07:07] (i wanted to call the shortened form the sawed-off form) [07:07] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [07:07] Mel-nix, did it work? [07:07] (with a reboot afterwards)? [07:07] Delahunt: Rebooted, did not work. [07:07] Action: Delahunt is stumped [07:07] did you remove cupsddk package before restarting? [07:08] j“gUK [07:08] Delahunt: Do I have to include some module in the initrd? [07:08] alisonken1noc: Yes. [07:08] no [07:08] you don't need a printer right at boot [07:08] unless maybe you are running a usb dot matrix and no screen, but that would be so ugly i wouldn't want to even think about it [07:09] Delahunt: Ah yes. [07:10] initrd is usually for stuff right at boot [07:10] Gr1nch (gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left ##slackware. [07:10] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/08/30/the-evil-of-initrd/ [07:11] DarinV: it looks as if you are basing supergamer on Vector Linux. Why are you mentioning Slackware 11.0 then? [07:12] "you say init-are-dee, i say init-turd" [07:12] let's call the whole thing off [07:12] it was based on vector which was based upon slackware 11....there is not alot of vector left in it as most is modified going backwards to slack [07:14] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-39-247.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:14] DarinV, why not just install slackware and walk safe around a lot of problems? [07:14] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-154-175.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:14] "backwards to slack" is like fingernails on a chalkboard :) [07:14] pfft [07:14] fooy (1000@125.25.136.247.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) joined ##slackware. [07:14] T99E [07:15] I have already tested out slack 13...not my cup of tee...actually not slackware's issue..it is xorg that is the problem [07:17] Multi-function printers are a big problem! [07:17] DarinV: actually I think the new x.org should enable you to create create a live DVD with good graphics hardware support with less scripting [07:18] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:18] alienBOB: OOI, heard anything more about pats musing on moving to i{5,6}86? [07:19] Zordrak: nope [07:19] kk [07:19] probably not...my detection scripts take place before then install the drivers prior to x starting..might slim it down by 1-2 on the xorg.conf build which the new xorg doesn't need [07:20] DarinV: I looked a bit at your sources but could not find them, so cannot comment on the feasibility [07:20] A gamer liveDVD is a nice idea though [07:20] been around since 2004 [07:21] esp if with a slackware base [07:21] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [07:21] it is..and will stay that way as I already done the mandriver route [07:22] why did they change it from mandrake? i dont remember.. i liked mandrake [07:22] even if it was french [07:22] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@a83-163-207-12.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:23] I can say that vector is going to have problems...I am not a fan of huge multiple tasks in scripting [07:23] it was a company merge, that'S why they changed the name [07:23] brainvision (~brainvisi@95.238.47.2) joined ##slackware. [07:23] Zordrak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandrake_the_Magician#Software [07:23] bah [07:23] the merge and the court case [07:25] Mandriva is a stupid name [07:25] I am glad I do not use kde..installed and to find it bogged down my system...I was very disappointed at... [07:26] im gone.. cannot handle another KDE4 bashing sessien [07:26] *session [07:27] not bashing.....really but the last kde I used was 3.2...and looking at 4.2 was a shock [07:27] DarinV: same as with anything else.. the defaults arent great.. but tweak it just for you and it becomes an awesome, powerful and efficient tool [07:28] I prefer simple...but wife and kids use the computer also so settled with xfce [07:28] XFCE is pretty good in its own right [07:29] zsh is in the category for me... crappy defaults but is very powerful when tweaked [07:29] *that [07:30] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-78-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [07:33] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [07:34] alienBOB....when I built the firefox packages I had to build updated packages and put them somewhere that they wouldn't effect the system...so I did not use slackbuilds for it just compiled them and used a different prefix...I can try to build a slackbuild that will make everything in the correct order and include the source for everything if that would help on getting the package included on 11 as I know alot of sites like youtube give [07:34] you a notice to upgrade constantly [07:35] DURgod (~DURgod@71-82-52-62.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: DURgod [07:35] DarinV, slackware official repositories are pretty much "security patches only after new release" [07:35] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:36] well I have it on my server anyways for my users...information for it is in the forums [07:37] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:38] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:46] googie (~paulnamua@122.52.153.173) joined ##slackware. [07:48] DarinV: which forums? [07:48] DarinV: a newer firefox will not be added to Slackware 11.0 [07:48] gogie (~paulnamua@unaffiliated/gogie) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:50] sQuEE (~narya@201.252.25.192) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:50] But being a "derived distro" nothing is stopping you from adding the updated firefox to supergamer [07:51] supergamer is slackware based? holycrap. [07:51] I already have....I was just wanting to be sure enough people knew that there was a way to get it to work [07:52] and to offer an easier way than the way I had to go about doing it [07:52] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [07:52] The-Croupier, supergamer forums [07:52] alicephilippa (~alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:52] DarinV: the better option would be to re-base supergamer to a newer version of Slackware and have the benefits of modern software (I guess for your 64bit release you are doing this anyway) [07:53] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:53] well the test iso is 12.2...I have not looked at the 13-64 yet [07:55] but trying to get the all of the games and dependancies is a pain as each of them have different requirements...so gathering them slowly then will have to rewrite all of the launch scripts... [07:55] DarinV: supergamer.org is your site/ [07:55] ? [07:55] yes [07:55] nice one ;) [07:55] thanks [07:56] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [08:00] ooooo just had a complete KDE crash.. and it was caught handled and restarted, no probs! woo [08:00] off_tr4mp0 (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [08:00] my tvtime has scanned all channels, but there is audio problem. I hear a shhhhhhhh noise instead of proper sound. [08:01] TV card is Pinnacle PCTV, Bt878 Video Capture [08:01] and it relates to slackware .. ? [08:01] got it [08:02] otherwise, do you get a picture at least? [08:02] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-154-175.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:03] yes, picture is fine [08:05] googie1 (~paulnamua@222.127.248.89) joined ##slackware. [08:06] googie (~paulnamua@122.52.153.173) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:06] is the region set correctly? like ntsc/pal, and the channel-set (cable, broadcast) set correctly? [08:07] DarinV: i see you got a live chat section in there... could i pm you some questions on that? [08:07] yes [08:07] I'll check again. [08:09] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:11] other_rafa (rafa@shellium/member/rafa) joined ##slackware. [08:11] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: pz [08:12] DURgod (~DURgod@71-82-52-62.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [08:13] linus72 (~linus72@pool-72-73-46-12.clppva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:14] whats up slackers [08:14] lots of stuff [08:14] shall i say what someone on noobfarm said " our ten inch" or would that be plagiarism...;) [08:14] like tons of documentation to write [08:14] Action: The-Croupier hides [08:14] oh yeah; whats going on? [08:14] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-154-175.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:15] I love Slackware [08:15] he dont love you [08:15] Action: guax heartbreaking [08:15] I think slackware does love me [08:16] unrequited love... [08:17] ... is the best kind ? [08:17] Though I am a distro-hopper; Slackware is my main thing [08:19] Slack is sooo easy [08:19] that is slackshit, you either are a slacker or not.... dont slackshit us ;) [08:19] Action: The-Croupier hides [08:19] linus72, its hard, its simple [08:19] but hard [08:19] I havent had any issues [08:19] cept when I first started in Linux; installed cd1 and tried "startx" [08:19] lol [08:20] startx damnit [08:20] that was a yr ago [08:20] I only been using Linux 14mos [08:21] I'm trying to reinstall smgl and thats a hard distro [08:21] not really [08:21] just answer the questions :P [08:21] Action: The-Croupier points linus72 to !topic and ##troll [08:22] ? [08:22] what questions? [08:23] Action: The-Croupier gets popcorn [08:24] linus72: the ones sorcery asks you [08:24] googie1 (paulnamua@222.127.248.89) left ##slackware. [08:24] Oh; I am chrooted into smgl via my current 13 install [08:25] gogie (~paulnamua@unaffiliated/gogie) joined ##slackware. [08:25] zux (~zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:25] linus72: if you dont have any problems... get on with your work then :p [08:25] Have any of you had issues with current? [08:25] my only issues is hal for some reason [08:25] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [08:26] i had a problem with current: too many people asking if there was any problem with current [08:26] hehe [08:26] LOL [08:26] well people who are "early adopters" are wondering if they can switch to -current. it's a good thing. [08:27] I dont really see diff between 13/current cept for hda-sda change [08:27] you must not use xfce [08:27] Oh? [08:27] There us a huge difference! [08:27] Delahunt: well, it clearly says on the website (i think) and everyone knows...if you want to test the system try current ;) its always been that way [08:27] I have xfce4 in one install, no issues [08:28] In all aspects of Slackware. Almost very program has been changed [08:28] glibc, gcc, xorg, lotsa stuff has changed [08:28] yes [08:28] s/very/every/ [08:28] Delahunt: what do you mean not use xfce? ( i love xfce and flux) [08:28] whats up alien [08:28] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:29] hiya alienBOB, i changed your name to the site ;) a little bit unorthodox but hey...ppl know you better with this one ;) [08:29] i said he must not use xfce if he hasn't noticed much difference [08:29] xfce has some pleasant surprises and new stuff [08:29] Delahunt: thats why i use it ;) [08:29] i like 13's xfce better than 12.2 (just defaults) [08:29] hmm need to give it a try then [08:29] all my PC's are testbeds anyway; they get abused [08:29] Action: Delahunt likes -current xfce better than 13.0 but oh well [08:29] I try anything [08:29] xfce can iconify windows on the desktop right ? [08:30] Action: trhodes needs to try xfce on current [08:30] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) joined ##slackware. [08:31] on one install I tried to install all kinds of stuff, sbopkg, stuff from slacky, etc and it still runs great [08:31] I cant seem to break anything:) [08:31] surrounder: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/xfce4-minimize-applications-to-desktop-and-remove-from-task-list-677377/ [08:31] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:31] Slackware is the most stable distro I think [08:31] LQ rocks [08:32] trhodes: now that is quite cool indeed :) [08:32] i didn't know if could do that [08:32] *it [08:32] trhodes: used that on FVWM back in the days I configured my desktop a lot :P [08:32] sweet [08:32] I got E17 from SlackBuilds and it rocks too [08:32] all aliens stuff is great aint it? [08:33] rworkman too [08:33] Methinks alienBOB and rworkman are under appreciated [08:33] thumbs (1000@modemcable250.220-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [08:33] Action: Delahunt doesn't think that [08:33] Without them, where would Slack be? [08:33] but if you feel that way, send them beer [08:33] send em a Bud [08:34] no, they like better beer :) [08:34] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:34] lol [08:34] what kinda beer? [08:34] not sure [08:34] homebrew? [08:34] maybe some Appalachian Everclear? [08:35] Action: Delahunt suggests something unique and/or difficult to find [08:35] Action: Delahunt may mail them some asahi clear [08:35] lambic [08:35] j/k, that's not good [08:35] I jsut hope Slackware aint going towards the "hold-my-hand-buntu-shit" [08:35] it's not [08:35] never! [08:35] Debian I think may be going that way [08:35] upstream may make things nicer for us but it's not going towards bloatware [08:36] debian's always had a tendency to that [08:36] Plutonium (~plutonium@80.85.119.109) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:36] I learned more with slack than any other [08:36] slack is easy for me [08:36] I hate dpkg [08:36] I don't mind it at work [08:36] I keep breaking my deb installs:) [08:37] apt is nice when you have whining customers on the phone who are in a rush [08:37] If I do break my slack; its easy to fix [08:37] yeah [08:37] debian is better than windows, IMO [08:37] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-dthnqivasryaokom) joined ##slackware. [08:37] I dont have windows at all [08:37] Unetbootin killed XP 14mos ago [08:37] my wife has windows - not me [08:37] win 7 and win2k8 are nice really [08:37] Dindows [08:38] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [08:38] Saying "I don't have Windows" is like saying "I don't have herpes" [08:38] lol [08:38] I'm not paying for that crap [08:38] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [08:39] Action: Zordrak sums up everything said so far. Windows sucks. Slackware rules. Other stuff is ok. [08:39] Slack has so much support unofficial support [08:39] linus72: me neither, my boss pays for my win 7 license [08:39] Konversation terminated. :p [08:39] \o/ [08:39] trhodes: I know who you are! [08:39] Only issue I have is tryin to patch kernel for aufs,etc [08:40] thumbs: haha, really ? :P [08:40] trhodes: yes, but it's OK. [08:40] I won't tell R on you. [08:40] shhh! [08:40] ;) [08:40] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:40] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:40] besides alienBOB and whoever; how many of you are LinuxQuestions members? [08:41] i need to go there more :/ [08:41] I haven't been able to patch since 2.6.27 series [08:41] whats up sahk0 [08:41] we stopped using aufs - minor driver issues and maintainer delay [08:41] linus72, me [08:41] whts up alisonken1noc [08:41] trhodes: I was looking for the fellow that disrupted the channel, or rather, for the log. This was for R [08:42] thumbs: oh ok [08:42] another day at the noc, and my relief just emailed in sick [08:42] I was trying to patch 2.6.29.6 as salix as done [08:42] trhodes: happened yesterday night, around 9-10 PM EDT [08:42] I answer questions on linuxquestions pretty regularly. [08:42] salix has made aufs into kernel, not module, and so LLS wont work... [08:42] thumbs, was that the script kiddie that kept posting the "Hey children, ... rm ..." crap [08:42] alisonken1noc: no [08:43] salix has a kernle live but cant get it to work [08:43] alisonken1noc: no, the user that insulted me, and the users in our channel (#httpd) [08:43] alisonken1noc: idoru took care of that it seems [08:44] I made live stuff of 12.2/13 but had to use slax's 2.6.27.27 which is kinda old [08:44] k [08:44] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Read error: No route to host [08:45] alisonken1noc and adamk I havent noticed you guys at LQ but thats ok [08:45] I been there since I started Linux [08:45] Thats where I learned everything [08:45] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [08:45] well, I don't get there much lately [08:45] Jan 2009? [08:45] although I still get the newsletter [08:45] I ask alot of dumb questions [08:46] my first post was cause I installed slck cd1 and couldn't startx??? [08:47] :( [08:47] startx! [08:47] lol [08:48] I only been using a computer for 3yrs, and linux since dec 08 [08:48] I'm learnin [08:48] 3 years isn't a lot indeed...how come ? [08:48] I started playing with linux/bsd since I was 12... [08:49] Just never interested I guess; and then a friend gave me a K8 HP with XP and here I am [08:49] aah ok, cool :) [08:49] I was a D&D'er before PC's so I guess never migrated past Playstation [08:50] heh, nice [08:50] nerdy by nature ey :P [08:50] heh [08:50] I remember D&D trippin on stuuf and into the drug stuff back them [08:50] teenager you know [08:50] i'm a geek with an atypical look [08:50] prismatic-sphere! [08:51] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:51] no protector, no glasses, beard, no tie, no white shirt [08:51] damn [08:51] <- beard and long hair [08:51] gotta respect the unix beard!!!111 [08:51] me too surrounder [08:51] woot! \o/ [08:51] oh and I shave the head biannually [08:51] tripFantastic: :) [08:52] Heavy Metal all the way; classic rock too of course [08:52] i mean twice/yeawr [08:52] two days ago i cleaned up; i'm cold now. [08:52] linus72: heh, more into EBM/DnB lately - but have been listening mainly metal for about 10 years [08:52] you cant pick me out of a nerd-crowd [08:53] Yeah, i remeber going to Monsters cncert for Ride the Lightning in 85 or 86 I think [08:53] nothing like broadening the horizon though [08:53] have to have my ozzie and pantera for building [08:53] linus72: hehe nice! [08:53] I got the hell beat out of me [08:53] linus72: I wasn't born yet then [08:53] damn [08:53] linus72 dont lie; you loved it! [08:53] I was mshin and got torn up [08:53] moshin [08:53] hehe [08:53] the fightin, the smokin, the dancin, the girlin, the drinkin [08:54] pff; you're a bastard from the 80s! [08:54] lol [08:54] I went there with my new Nike's and they were gone when I woke up [08:54] lol [08:54] lol [08:54] haha [08:54] there was also a dent in the floor; kinda head-shaped [08:54] lol [08:54] wonder whos head that was dude? [08:54] mine! [08:54] I loved it [08:55] my 21st and 22nd birthday parties were ruined by screw drivers; dont drink without eating [08:55] we went outside afterwards and rioted and threw stuff at the cops [08:55] when i awoke after the first one, the room stank to high heaven [08:55] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-157-114-0.range86-157.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:56] i tried to walk home after the 22nd party; didnt make it; stoped and sat in front of a hydrant and went to sleep [08:56] I used to go to all the Dead concerts too; beware the Dancing Bears tabs as they are potent [08:56] heh [08:56] The concerts were great as you could get laid no mater what [08:56] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.119.131) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:56] lol [08:56] Action: tripFantastic laments, i'm no hedonist [08:56] even if it was an animal or what cause you couldnt tell [08:56] never have been [08:57] lol ew [08:57] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-151-40-145.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [08:57] who the hell started this reminiscising? [08:57] The 80's were awesome compared to nwo [08:57] now [08:57] nods [08:57] Action: chipster agrees [08:57] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:57] nwo, nice slip [08:57] cant wait to go back [08:57] trhodes heh [08:57] I only was born in the '80's...don't recall much of it [08:57] froodian [08:57] new world order [08:57] I wish; i'd seel my soul to stay in the 80's [08:58] the '90's had crappy music here in europe though, that I do know :P [08:58] before '82 [08:58] yeah, Amwerica's over with [08:58] between 79-82 [08:58] those were desint years; however before that... [08:58] 70's rocked too of course [08:58] except 73-78, when billy joel returned [08:58] lol [08:59] hehe [08:59] who? [08:59] the music died those years [08:59] heh [08:59] go away kid, ya suck! [08:59] heh [08:59] hes carrying a purse anyway [08:59] i was an afternoon paper boy; pretty good at it too [08:59] 3 routes daily [08:59] two in high rise towers in Yonkers [08:59] I mostly sold weed to make a livin..shh [08:59] I'm sorry little paperboy... but I ain't yo mumma! [08:59] heh [09:00] back then [09:00] nwo that's `back in the day' [09:00] and then Crack came and ruined the world [09:00] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [09:00] great word though [09:00] yea; the new kid in my neighborhood brought mescaline with him; fucked up everyone else. [09:00] CRACK! [09:01] I remember when they were givin Crack away to get people addicted [09:01] nods [09:01] it aint philanthropy [09:01] I never touched it myself [09:01] tripFantastic: lol [09:01] philo-anthro; love of man [09:01] NOT! [09:01] tripFantastic: dunno that one, magic mushrooms are really nice once in a while though [09:01] never saw the "good" in a 5min high [09:01] yeah shrooms rock [09:01] aye [09:02] so mellow [09:02] back in the 30s when i wanted to talk about drugs, music and pussy i went to ##slackware-offtopic and told people who give a fuck [09:02] well, i was read bible then and i knew immediately what it was doin to the gang [09:02] yeah why not a 5 hour high like getting drunk? pffttt 8-) 8-{ [09:02] er 8-P [09:02] sahk0: ++ [09:02] sorry [09:02] lol sahk0 [09:02] ``we're takin over, see...' [09:02] like i just asked... [09:02] sahk0: sorry man [09:02] I was caught up dude [09:02] Delahunt: what cflags did you use in your netbook ? [09:03] who the hell started this reminiscising? [09:03] me [09:03] not me [09:03] surrounder: :p [09:03] ok shoot him [09:03] WHERE'S THE ANVIL INTHE SKY? [09:03] didn't know slackware-offtopic existed, nice \o/ [09:03] tripFantastic: just shh [09:03] I'll go stand in the corner for a bit... [09:03] cbpye (~cbpye@c-71-229-54-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:03] Action: tripFantastic hands linus72 a umberella. [09:03] here. [09:03] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [09:03] talk about slack and I'll listen [09:03] linus72 have you google-earth'd your home town? [09:04] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:04] hi test [09:04] why? [09:04] reminiscing [09:04] its a void? [09:04] hitest whats up?! [09:04] seeing how they fkd it up since you left :) [09:04] I'm still here! [09:04] ahhkkk [09:04] i did mine; it's mostly the same but i cant find certain landmarks [09:04] hi linus72:) not too much. how are you? [09:04] tripFantastic: ... what part of take it to -offtopic was too hard for you? [09:05] I am good hitest; still makin live distros you know [09:05] linus72 which one? [09:05] i need one or a few [09:05] will save my eyesn too 'cos youre the only red-tagged nick talking [09:05] cool. yes I've read your posts on LQ:) [09:05] here http://linux.softpedia.com/progMoreBy/Publisher-AegisX-31789.html [09:06] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:07] linus72 wht's the url to your schtuff? [09:07] i am so mad at rhn right now.. how can they charge a minimum of Ł130 a year per machine and yet still rate limit rhn package access to 50/60kbps? [09:07] I gave it to you above [09:08] sahk0, hold on [09:08] that's a article (a), i want the (article) url :) [09:08] lol [09:08] sorry, over-parsing [09:08] heres my site; it sucks http://multidistro.com/ [09:08] tyvm [09:08] hey any of you use Viper WM in slack?? [09:08] Delahunt: its atom based i assume.. mines a N270 [09:08] Zordrak: yeah. I stopped using redhat at #9 when it went pay for view. I guess oyu need tokeep some rh servers? [09:08] oh, that's a good name, clutch [09:09] lol [09:09] you [09:09] lol [09:09] who? [09:09] I use evry desktop [09:09] l0d (~l0d@200.144.115.82) joined ##slackware. [09:09] except KDE [09:09] hitest: yeah just a token server of each of 4 and 5 so when something geos titsup on slack or centos, we can prove the fault is reproducible on RHEL before calling in support from vendors [09:09] ah [09:09] sahk0, http://macles.blogspot.com/2008/09/intel-cc-compiler-gcc-and-intel-atom.html [09:09] thank you [09:10] KDE confuses my brain with its crazy menu [09:10] sahk0, the link used to take you to the intel report where it specifically says what they listed, so i verified the information was correct [09:10] linus may i suggy that you anchorite the mentioned RemasterSys and Live-Helper? [09:10] however, the link now does not seem to take you to the same place [09:10] what? [09:10] linus72: I mainly use launchy/gnome-do/alt+f2 thingy - who needs menus? :P [09:10] make the names into anchors themselves [09:10] hitest: the problem isnt just that i cant get more than 70kbps.. but also that, cause its rhel, there are like 20 package updates a week [09:10] oh, I'm html-retarded due [09:10] cant you tell? [09:11] i can do it for ya; gimme email to sedn to [09:11] send [09:11] thepenandpaper@gmail.com [09:11] for the main page only [09:11] k [09:11] Delahunt: ok thanks. gonna look at it a bit later [09:11] Nick change: off_tr4mp0 -> Gr1nch [09:11] linus72, when you want to go dual layer dvd let me know so I can give you the tweaks to use [09:11] I stole Ishvti Linvo site originally [09:12] oh yeah? [09:12] Gr1nch (gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left ##slackware. [09:12] I have many dvd's but they eat bandwidth [09:12] Zordrak: I ran a centos server at home briefly, it was quite reliable. yes. with the throttling that would take a bit of time to install all your updates. [09:12] my bandwidth is always stressed:) [09:12] go-daddy site [09:13] sahk0, but i still don't think it's worth it [09:13] Delahunt: meaning? [09:13] Delahunt: in terms of speed? [09:14] damn this smgl is takin forvere dude, this is my 3rd day at installing [09:14] hitest: reliable like a 25 year old bxmw? [09:14] bmw [09:14] :) [09:14] g++ keeps havin issues [09:14] Zordrak: didn't break [09:15] I am tryin to go deep with Linux by installing SourceMage, Lunar and gentoo [09:15] brainvision (~brainvisi@95.238.47.2) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [09:15] whew! [09:15] linus72 do you know the url to live-helper? i cant choose from google list [09:15] oh [09:15] Action: rworkman likes dark brews [09:15] linus72: ^ [09:15] Delahunt: ^ [09:15] hold on I can tell you all about it dude [09:15] kk [09:15] :) [09:15] I didn't like how old centos's official repos were, software-wise. no doubt it doesn't matter for a server, but was trying to use it for a workstation [09:15] henry weinharts dark [09:15] whats up rworkman! [09:15] hehe [09:16] their kernel didn't allow me to use hardware sensors [09:16] linus72: going deep with linux means using it. not installing distributions all the time [09:16] rworkman: you like belgian beer? :) [09:16] Action: rworkman is just settling in at work [09:16] I mean learnin as the source ones give no help [09:16] sahk0 so you're not a fan of dist-jumping? [09:16] linus72: sounds like fun. I've settled on Slackware. I've had some fun with Arch, FreeBSD, Debian, NetBSD. Slackware is it for me. [09:16] surrounder: I like all sorts of beer - the only requirement is that it be *good* [09:16] Slack is of course my main girl [09:16] rworkman: hehe that can be arranged :P [09:17] i'm too an old slackware from way back [09:17] 8 installs between 12.2-current [09:17] tripFantastic: no. its a waste of time. but given the state of linux distributions today, i dont really blame the users... [09:17] ok [09:17] sahk0 i dont either but that's bc of my extreme dedication to procrastination. [09:18] slackware for the beautiful people, debian for the ugly lurkers, ubuntu for the morons. what more do you need? [09:18] sahk0, http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/getting-started-with-icc-for-the-mid/ [09:18] sahk0, there's a better site [09:18] http://live.debian.net/ [09:18] ty [09:18] Zordrak: FreeBSD for those that actually want to get work done :-) [09:18] adamk: ptchaw [09:18] adamk: heh [09:19] -Wall -O1 -msse3 -march=core2 -mfpmath=sse -pedantic -pipe -fstrength-reduce -fexpensive-optimizations -finline-functions -funroll-loops -foptimize-register-move [09:19] is it safe to just wipe out /tmp/* ? [09:19] lol [09:19] zux1wrk: only when offline [09:19] brainvision (~brainvisi@95.238.47.2) joined ##slackware. [09:19] sahk0, -Wall -O1 -msse3 -march=core2 -mfpmath=sse -pedantic -pipe -fstrength-reduce -fexpensive-optimizations -finline-functions -funroll-loops [09:19] -foptimize-register-move [09:19] ie during shutdown or in a live env [09:19] Zordrak, is init 1 enough? [09:19] zux1wrk: maybe [09:19] zux1wrk: probabsy [09:20] hmm [09:20] Delahunt: yeah i saw that the 1st time. gonna copy it somewhere for reference [09:20] most people who want to do it add it to rc.local_shutdown [09:20] sahk0, what are you going to be using this for, btw? [09:20] gbowden (~gbowden@83.37.239.249) joined ##slackware. [09:20] gbowden (~gbowden@83.37.239.249) left irc: Client Quit [09:20] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [09:20] zux1wrk: bottom line is it depends on what has stuff it needs in tmp thats still runningc [09:20] zux1wrk unless you have put files there yourself; i dont rm at all [09:20] tripFanatastic; its kinda complicated as I combine debian-live builds with remastersys [09:20] i don't want to do it every time, also i can of course just remove it from rc.local_shutdown after [09:20] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:21] but i also might forget [09:21] linus72 ok [09:21] (fwiw it's not worth trying to compile slackware entirely for the atom, as i said before, because some stuff doesn't honor CFLAGS, and because other stuff actually breaks even if you're not trying to force it to use those CFLAGS) [09:21] Delahunt: curious mostly . since i made the netbook a mirror of my x86_64 laptop i thought i d search for omgoptimized cflags for next time :p [09:21] any other way of keeping /tmp/ clean from all the shit i open? [09:21] hmm interesting link about the intel C compiler [09:21] sounds reasonable [09:21] trip do you have a debian install? [09:21] those aren't for the 64bit version of the atom but it's ok [09:21] i look know and i see some files i have opened from thunderbird a month ago [09:22] Delahunt: yeah my netbook is 32bit. my laptop is 64 [09:22] k [09:22] rworkman: mornin' [09:22] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:22] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:22] zux1wrk: the canonical method is to clean it at shutdown [09:22] linus72 ok, mailed. [09:23] thx [09:23] yvw [09:23] add to rc.local_shutdown : rm -rf /tmp/* [09:23] ok Zordrak thanks, you've been alot of help lately [09:23] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:23] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:23] linus72 no, i just grub slack [09:24] oh; you gotta have deb installed to make a debian live creation i think [09:24] k [09:24] zux1wrk: when people ask sensible questions and listen to the answers i enjoy helping people.. its delightful. its just such a shame that so many people are not interested in being patient or asking sensible ouestions or listening to the answers they get [09:24] I get Great answers from LQ too [09:25] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [09:25] unfortunately its less easy for people to jump on morons giving bad advice on LQ as stuff slips by [09:25] no doubt [09:25] well there are many guys like you Zordrak here, but i think you've been helping me mainly because of time zone.... i think you're like 2 hours away [09:25] so while theres just as much good advice.. theres twice as much really piss poor advice [09:25] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:25] zux1wrk: there also stuff like tmpreaper (and whatever RH thing it was forked from) [09:26] I'm lucky as my PC's are testbeds [09:26] *there's [09:26] im here 9am-5pm GMT Mon-Fri (work) [09:26] actually, canonical method is cleanup on boot, not shutdown [09:27] ananke: why? [09:27] Zordrak, that is true too, at some moment i started ignoring anything that google showed as answer to my problems, that contained ubuntu in it.... [09:27] cleanup on shutdown is tmpfs [09:27] ananke: rly? [09:27] sahk0: you know, i'm not sure [09:27] in a power event, would you want to wait on that ? [09:27] Zordrak: yep. that's how major distros do it, when you enable said functionality [09:27] ananke: fnuff.. i stand corrected [09:27] ananke, but at what boot moment? i think before rc.local [09:28] but for slack its something youd have to insert into rc.M.. local would be way too late [09:28] rc.S even ? [09:28] zux1wrk: indeed. i don't know what the proper place in slackware would be, just noting what the canonical method is [09:28] zux1wrk: i think youd have to just pick an appropriate point in rc.M [09:28] nice and early [09:28] yeah, i only mess with rc.S or rc.M when there is no other choice.... [09:28] but i still feel on shutdown would be more appropriate [09:29] if you have planned outages, yes [09:29] i'm with trhodes on that. bootup is more controlled and planned, unlike shutdown [09:29] but anyway, if i mostly don't even reboot my system, any other way to keep it nice and clean? [09:29] yeah that makes sense [09:29] i have power failuers enough here for that stuff to matter [09:30] trhodes: im talking about a desktop environment.. for a server i can see why on boot would be better... but then on a server i wmouldnt be trashing /tmp will nilly [09:30] I got a question; what am I to do when tryin to patch kernel and it says somethin about previously patched and asks something about "-R" [09:30] zux1wrk: i think there's 'tmpwatch' software that may help you [09:30] *willy nilly [09:30] yes, tmpwatch i think is the redhat thing debian forked into tmpreaper [09:30] sounds impossible to keep /tmp/ clean, when i think of it, i wouldn't like something to get delete automatically from there [09:30] Zordrak: if we use slackware as example, why do you think ldconfig is executed on bootup and not shutdown? [09:31] yes, it's tricky to do right [09:31] linus72: apparently the patch you try to apply has already been added to that kernel [09:31] yeah [09:31] because ldconfig keeps a cache of current libraries - which might have changed since the last reboot [09:31] every time I try to patch for aufs/squashfs,etc it freaks out [09:31] The "-R" is not what you want, because that will try to _revert_ the patch [09:31] ananke: ^^^ [09:31] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [09:31] it doesnt give me any choices [09:31] ldconfig should be run at package installation time, not at boot time :> [09:31] k [09:32] thrice`: that's certainly something i've always practiced [09:32] tbh an occasional rm -rf /tmp/SBo/* is more than enough to keep my /tmp in line [09:32] rbellamy (~rbellamy@adsl-69-105-233-172.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:32] Axius (~hi@92.85.217.108) joined ##slackware. [09:33] Zordrak: true, that's the biggest culprit for me too [09:33] thrice`: unfortunately, not everyone uses their package manager to install software :) [09:33] Zordrak, since I point sbopkg to /home/sbo filling /tmp is not an issue for me :) [09:33] I need to come up with a reason to get out of this liferay meeting [09:34] alienBOB; how do I strip a kernel of patches? [09:34] make mproper [09:34] thrice`: true. Slackware does this along with updating the icon cache and some weird gtk stuff every boot slowing the process too much for no reason [09:34] hmm, liferay? i think i've heard that name being thrown around last few meetings i was in [09:34] ananke: run [09:34] Run far and fast [09:35] linus72: you can't strip a kernel of patches. A kernel does not have patches [09:35] sahk0: my slack machines arent rebooted often enough for me to give a crap about boot time [09:35] You are patching that kernel.. so don't [09:35] sahk0: generally they dont reboot until well after the fsck expiry time anyway [09:35] I was tryin to use kernelive from salix but no dice [09:35] linus72: make mrproper just cleans the tree of objects and dumps a new config. [09:35] ananke: its a webdav portal intranet thing..the new guy at works wants to use it to replace our file server clusters... [09:36] ok [09:36] I ma linux ignorant; its only been a yr [09:36] Well you already had a lot of fun [09:36] is there a diff between make -j3 and make all? [09:36] straterra: our 'portal' team was busy deploying three different products at the same time, one of them with a clear goal of only 1 year lifetime. yes, they deployed drupal while clearly knowing they won't use it in a year [09:36] no doubt alien [09:37] more fun than windows could ever have given me [09:37] straterra: now they're doing alfresco and jboss [09:37] ananke: That makes complete sense... Almost as much sense as using a REMOTE webdav fileserver..thats written in java..over a T1 [09:38] I have compiled all my kernels in slack for K7, and stripped them down alot [09:38] but I'm patching-retarted I guess [09:38] ananke: im stuck on Foswiki the TWiki fork here... still looking for something suitable to replace it and hopefully do document management at the same time so i can replace Ouality Workbench [09:39] retarded [09:39] straterra: that's fun [09:39] -j3 and all are totally unrelated [09:39] what? [09:39] Zordrak: for wiki we use confluence, and are very happy with it [09:39] one's a flag one's a makefile target [09:39] oh [09:39] theres so many kernel compile web pages and there all different [09:40] ananke: yeah..it ranks right up there with "Accessing ERP from china is slow" On its best day, its 700ms between the ERP server and China..and lots of ajax..over ssl, over openvpn..no one seems to understand why its slow -_- [09:40] ananke: i dont *necessarily* want to be running a wiki... but it seems its the better way to run a self sustaining intranet [09:40] linus72: info make [09:40] so, should I do make all or make -j3? [09:40] ok [09:40] thx sahk0 [09:40] We use a wiki for all internal documentation..and the new guy wants us to port it all over to liferay or some crap [09:40] linus72, better, "make -j3 all" :) [09:40] ahhh [09:40] well, my kernels all work.... [09:40] I guess [09:41] changing the number of jobs won't change the resulting image, just how logn it takes to build [09:41] Though, it could fail to compile [09:41] i think we might just be looking at using SVN for CMS and leave foswiki where it is [09:41] its not perfect... but if it works reasonably well.. [09:41] I was doin make -j3 nd then make modules_install [09:42] no initrd either [09:42] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:42] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Quit: edman007_ [09:42] and i dont need -smp right? [09:43] linus72: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/slackware-kernel-compile-guide/ [09:43] i don't thnk you should be compiling your own kernel [09:43] linus72: 10 step guide for a recompile. [09:43] linus72: with no initrd. [09:43] hey thats one I was using [09:43] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:43] mancha why not? [09:43] then "make -j3; make modules_install" then onto the next step [09:44] because no question you've asked so far has hinted at any form of having clue [09:44] no sh*t mancha I'm a newbie [09:45] thats what I did Zordrak [09:45] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:45] They (2.6.29.6/2.6.33 all work [09:45] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [09:46] mancha i learn by breaking so its OK [09:46] bost way to learn.. so long as you fix it yourself and learn during [09:46] *best [09:46] no doubt [09:47] I had to fix xorg on current [09:47] Slim freaked out [09:47] wouldnt let me login [09:47] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-208-103.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:47] jeeesus... rhel5 is still on ff3.0.x [09:48] if it had kidneys i would fill them with lighter fluid and napalm [09:48] RHEL5 came out a little while back [09:48] Zordrak, Rhel backports fixes, but keeps the major version the same [09:48] And RHEL stays ABI compatible..so yeah, its still running 3 [09:48] admboom: yeah.. but i dont see them backporting 3.6 into 3.0 do you? [09:49] i could be wrong [09:49] Zordrak, no, not at all, although, why put FF on a server? [09:49] backporting 3.6 to 3.0? 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[09:50] this is learn by asking ##slackware not learb by breaking [09:50] linus72, well, considering that each one has it's own driver, think about it [09:50] or reading [09:51] linus72: the guide is very clear on that [09:51] alisonken1home, that is possible, but presumably running a custom channel with client software would be optimal [09:51] I think its learn how I need to learn mancha [09:51] 3.0.0.19 will be the last in that wonderful series [09:51] we can help you compile a kernel, but asking questions like "do I need this? what about this?" will get pretty old [09:51] linus72, well this channel doesn't hand-hold [09:51] ^^ hence the guide [09:51] (s) [09:51] they neck hold! [09:51] till ya pass out [09:52] so if you can't figure out how to compile a kernel, then don't compile one. [09:52] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:52] Action: Zordrak wants to cry. add epel to rhel4, type up2date yum, wait for OVER AN HOUR... [09:52] I already compiled 8 successfully [09:52] talking about kernel compilation, where is Azeotrope (or something) \o/ [09:52] just different ways [09:52] Action: surrounder runs [09:52] i wish cadence would run its sims on slackware without bombing out [09:52] Zordrak: An hour? Are you on dialup? [09:53] linux72 wait till Azeotrope signs on, he can help you [09:53] Or maybe a i486 [09:53] ok [09:53] mancha: hehe [09:54] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:54] and also, some guide somewhere isnt gonna tell me the nuances, only users can do that [09:54] linus72, here is my config I use for my supergamer kernels....http://pastebin.com/sWTqjfW0 [09:54] gracias [09:54] has ide and sata support [09:55] linus72: theres no nuances. the guide tells you.. if you need a piece of hardware to boot from, you need to add in the driver.. if you dont need it for booting, you dont need the driver compiled int [09:55] yes, but many people do many custom things, like patching [09:56] zen kernels,etc [09:56] I actually have a slackware 2.6.29.6 in my lenny install [09:56] linus72: yyeeaahh.. but youre not asking about those.. youve been asking about the basics of a custom kernel [09:56] just to see if it would work [09:56] I only patched for bootsplash, aufs and squashfs on that config [09:56] which is what peoplo are giving you a hard time about ^^ [09:57] yeah, thats what I need, aufs and squashfs/lzma or whatever [09:57] live kernel [09:57] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [09:57] but that was on an older 2.6.27 kernel and that is live...I have not been able to get aufs to build correctly after that kernel series [09:58] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [09:58] try salix's kernelive DarinV; maybe you can get it to work http://enialis.net/~jrd/salix/kernelive/2.6.29.6.smp-1cp/ [09:58] you guys ever try slkbuild? [09:59] linus72: dude wtf? [09:59] why bother. pkgtools is better [09:59] all the kids are trying slkbuild [09:59] no doubt, I was just checking it out [09:59] I check out everything [10:00] linus72: this is still a Slackware support channel - if you are veering too much offtopic (read - discussing other distro tooling) please look for another channel [10:00] slkbuild sounds neat [10:00] :) [10:00] exactly [10:00] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.73.174) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:00] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:01] linus72, I will look at it later in the week...if I find the error I will send along the information [10:01] thx [10:01] Zordrak: did you submit bacula slackbuilds? [10:01] i dont really see how slkbuild is useful... its just like having the slackbuild except not because you only have half the access [10:01] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:01] e01 (e01@office.izrod.net) left ##slackware. [10:01] agentc0re: dont think so... [10:02] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:02] agentc0re: still havent gotten around to the damn upgrade... just dont have the time [10:02] agentc0re: oic.. theres some in pending [10:02] Zordrak: ya, i didn't submit them. [10:03] Zordrak: i haven't been using bacula, so i don't have anything to test on. [10:03] huh... well, we'll just have to wait and see :) [10:03] please see here DarinV http://www.salixos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=609 [10:03] Zordrak: the scripts i have work... but they're not 100% slackbuild quality though. :P [10:03] pleased to see drbd-* got approved though :) just waiting for the next update now [10:03] agentc0re: *nod* [10:03] if it works it works. aesthetics are a secondary concern [10:05] lol@elreg .. some in-bred morons in leeds took out Virgin's connectivity cause they stole a cable believing it to be copper... it was fibre [10:05] nice [10:07] Maybe they should have..multiple paths [10:08] outage last saturday too [10:08] how can i tell to the compiler to search in the right place ? ... i have this error during the build of mplayer [10:08] cc: /usr/lib/libxmms.so.1: No such file or directory [10:08] but i do have cc: /usr/lib64/libxmms.so.1 [10:09] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:09] paissad: Slackware64 with multilib? [10:09] alienBOB, hmm, i don't know ... i think no [10:09] >.< [10:09] no multilib ... [10:09] that doesnt make sense. if it doesnt find the lib it wont link against it. maybe its multilib where nothing makes sense ) [10:09] ...cuz it's just another day... you'll relive it, anyway... [10:10] Axius (~hi@92.85.217.108) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:10] i didnt know mplayer has xmms support either [10:10] ?!?! [10:11] ldd `which xmms` returns me this http://dpaste.com/175153/ [10:11] paissad: is it even slack64? [10:11] It makes sense if the configure line tells mplayer to include xmms libs.. [10:11] uname -a [10:11] mishehu, yes, slack64 [10:11] hmm [10:11] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@a83-163-207-12.adsl.xs4all.nl) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:12] isn't mplayer part of slack 13? [10:12] there's a non-multilib option for installing slack64 that puts 64-bit libs in /lib /usr/lib etc... instead of /lib64 /usr/lib64 etc? [10:12] no [10:12] didn't think so [10:12] why do you want that? [10:12] paissad: sounds like that's trying to build and link a 32 bit app [10:13] mancha: yes, it's in 13 [10:13] Shuren (~Devilman@host137-61-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [10:13] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@a83-163-207-12.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:14] paissad s what script are you usuing? [10:14] paissad: you did specify an ARCH of x86_64 ? [10:15] http://dpaste.com/175156/ [10:15] *normally* I don't have to explicitly set ARCH as x86_64 when configuring and compiling either an autodrool or cmake project [10:16] that's ugly [10:16] here, you have to [10:16] mishehu: ARCH is used to set compile options in a SlackBuild script [10:16] oh right [10:16] I forget I do modify that [10:17] it's morning guys :-) [10:17] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:18] paissad: you have a problem in this script: NUMJOBS is wrong: by default, it will use 'make -j' which is a *really* bad idea as it means an unbounded number of jobs [10:19] (can forkbomb your system :-) ) [10:20] Camarade_Tux, no, i do have -j2 (my $ARCH is x86_64) [10:20] spook (~spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:20] paissad: I was referring to: NUMJOBS=${NUMJOBS:-} [10:20] mplayer build scripts should just run make with -j or cflags [10:21] as advised from upstream [10:21] hmm ok [10:21] s/with/without [10:21] else NUMJOBS is -jX, else you have to put a safe default of 1 so that 'make -j${NUMJOBS}' doesn't mean 'make -j' but 'make -j1' [10:21] a few comments, tar is smart enough to figure outthe decomp if you pass xf, so you can remove all that suffix checking. also a lot of those config options are mplayer auto-detects, let it figure out if you have them on its own... [10:22] MAKEFLAGS=" -j3 " ./foo.SlackBuild [10:22] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-172.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:22] hi guys o/ [10:22] phrags: sup [10:22] ho phrag [10:22] Camarade_Tux, yeah, you're right [10:22] i see [10:24] I tried 'make -j' in the kernel sources once, I ended up hard-rebooting the machine =) [10:24] gogie (paulnamua@unaffiliated/gogie) left ##slackware. [10:24] Camarade_Tux: dare ou to do it with wireshark too :) [10:25] paissad: _xmmslibdir=/usr/lib looks hardcoded into configure [10:25] I'll try again when I get AMD's 48 cores machine -_- [10:26] -> http://blogs.amd.com/work/2010/03/03/48-cores-contest/ [10:26] 9,197,822 cores... each one running at 100kHz [10:27] Camarade_Tux, i did that once too ( make -j for about 20 min ... i was scared .. i killed the processes & since i know that make -j creates lots of processes ^^) [10:27] i was building a kernel [10:27] AnTourter (~gggjlt@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:28] I could have reacted better, I only had to kill make but somehow I didn't do that [10:28] paissad: line 8105 in the configure if you're interested [10:28] Camarade_Tux: killing bash would have sufficed too [10:28] trhodes, hmm i check it out [10:28] Zordrak: a bit too much though [10:29] meh .. kill $EVERY_STUPID_THING_IVE_DONE_IN_THIS_SESSION [10:29] 23207 [10:29] hehe [10:29] wrong window :) [10:30] alisonken1noc: echo $EVERY_STUPID_THING_IVE_DONE_IN_THIS_SESSION ? [10:30] as long as it's not the root password to dreamhost machines =)/win 14 [10:30] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:30] forgot a key I think [10:30] Camarade_Tux: mayhaps [10:30] throdes is right [10:30] xmms is old [10:31] and crappy [10:31] like winamp [10:31] :P [10:31] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:31] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:31] i had the same thing with something else.. cant remember what.. some cluster software probably.. they decided to hardcode /lib cause it doesnt matter on fedora/ubuntu/rhel/sles [10:31] glad i persuaded them to fix it [10:34] hi guys, i read that almost video drivers as from DivX and anothers don't work in 64-bit, is it true? [10:34] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-433152.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:34] Agiofws_ (~Agiofws@athedsl-433152.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:34] other_rafa (rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:34] Action: adamk tires to make sense of that sentence. [10:35] Action: Zordrak doesnt bother [10:35] paissad, try: sed -i -e 's|_xmmslibdir=$(xmms-config --exec-prefix)/lib|_xmmslibdir=$(xmms-config --exec-prefix)/lib64|;s|_xmmsplugindir=/usr/lib/xmms/Input|_xmmsplugindir=/usr/lib64/xmms/Input|;s|_xmmslibdir=/usr/lib|_xmmslibdir=/usr/lib64|' configure [10:35] mancha, i was doing the sed ... thanks mate ^^ [10:36] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) joined ##slackware. [10:37] cool [10:37] Hmm got a box of chololate here , it says fedora on it oOa wonder if they are wrapped with rpm or paper then [10:37] O_O [10:39] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@a83-163-207-12.adsl.xs4all.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:40] tp maybe? :) [10:40] I'm trying to configure a 32bit kernel for build in a chroot'ed slack32 install. there's a param that I need to pass with make in order to force the arch to detect properly... does anybody remember what that is off the top of their heads? [10:41] ARCH= [10:41] ah ok [10:41] thanks [10:42] that worked [10:43] np [10:43] can you recommend a small wiki or collaboration thing to use in the ofice for a team of 5? project planning is needed too. [10:43] pmwiki is nice and small [10:43] s/ofice/office/ [10:43] duno about the planning though [10:43] slava_dp: Foswiki [10:44] (free open source wiki) [10:44] fork of Twiki [10:44] heh a team of 5 need a planning tool? [10:44] that's smaller than a rural family [10:44] more like a database of accumulated knowledge, and some planning too. [10:44] slava_dp: for project planning id use Trac.. ESPECIALLY if svn is involved [10:44] mancha: Planning tools are good for any multi-dv project. [10:44] trac has a built in per project wiki [10:45] and then does code integration, milestones etc [10:45] mancha: lol, rural family of 5 here (no planning needed however) [10:45] i'd recommend git, where svn is involved. 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[10:45] :P [10:45] spook: heh [10:45] spook++ [10:45] trhodes and if your a family of 5 it sounds like there was _no_ planning ;P [10:45] no version control, just text :) [10:45] Action: spook hates svn with a firey passion [10:45] haha, i'm the offspring, no worries [10:45] spook: i still cant get my mind to accept git in an organisation with no single person doing code control [10:46] my theory i that the less options there are on cable tv, the larger the family [10:46] theory is* [10:46] mancha: there is definitely correlation [10:46] for linux it makes sense.. for several projects across a company with staff coming and going.... it just doesnt seem right [10:46] proper git is done with a maintainer, who exports a read-only tree, and receives patches by email [10:47] but thats really only applicable for a very large project [10:47] spook: indeed.. so you need an employee to be the hub instead of the svn/cvs server being the hub [10:47] well... there is no hub in git [10:47] prekisely [10:47] mancha, trhodes http://dpaste.com/175172/ ( it's ok ^^ ) [10:47] paissad update please, can i haz xmms? [10:47] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:47] so one person has to be the virtual hub manager [10:47] Zordrak: Lots of large projects use Gt very successfully. [10:47] *Git [10:47] oh cool, just as i asked for it! [10:48] they'd have their private tree that they test patches on, then a publically accessible tree somewhere else that they export to from their private tree [10:48] g'nite [10:48] mancha, :D [10:48] but someone has to do the pull [10:48] So? [10:48] unless you give everyone access to the central tree [10:48] The beautiful part of Git is that it allows you to adapt it to any workflow. [10:48] DarinV (~supervl@ip68-97-146-89.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Quit: SuperGamer LiveDVD [10:49] linus72 (~linus72@pool-72-73-46-12.clppva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:49] SVN is far more restrictive. [10:49] jkwood: like i said.. i just havent got my head around how it should work in an organisation such as this [10:49] i keep aspiring to do everything on git, but i can't even manage to get started with it [10:49] the docs are pretty good [10:50] the progit book is decent, too [10:50] public RO --pull--> user personal --push--> user public --pull--> maintainer personal --push--> public RO [10:50] its not the software so much as putting together the scheme of things [10:50] not to mention the windows GUI is shit still... and so many software engineers here use Windows (*and therefor tortoiseSVN) [10:50] alternatively [10:50] i like it and using & is cleaner [10:50] public RO --pull--> user personal --email patch--> maintainer personal --push--> public RO [10:51] http://whygitisbetterthanx.com/ [10:51] spook: its simply the issue that because its distributed.. you NEED a maintainer... with an SVN project, you dont need a maintainer [10:51] eventually i will work it out [10:51] i will find a way to accept git... just not yet :) [10:52] The-Croupier (ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [10:52] paissad though in the second replace, if you search for "_xmmsplugindir=/usr/lib" you can use & and dispense with the \1 and \2 stuff [10:52] paissad: maybe that sed oughta go in the x86_64 conditional [10:53] Zordrak: its not distributed, its just every repo is self-reliant [10:53] trhodes, yes i will [10:53] right [10:53] bah... [10:53] Action: Zordrak goes back to watching Dispatches [10:53] self reliant repos take longer to clone [10:53] mancha, you're right too ;) [10:53] i hated gettin unionfs [10:54] i'm reading that why git is better link and its losing me already [10:54] i don't have a great need for branching in my projects [10:54] Skywise: you need to start at Linus presentation to Google [10:54] its in the toobs somewheres [10:54] high up in the search results [10:54] and i'm just wondering whats wrong with using different names, etc.. [10:54] i'm trying to get the point [10:54] Skywise: ^ [10:54] yeah, i hit blogs for more insight [10:55] there's no shortage of people talking about how they actually use git [10:56] I used to have a link that blew my mind about branching in git. Let me see if I can find it again... [10:57] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:57] is there a git way of getting just the current state of a project in git? for packagers and other people who don't care about the revisions ? [10:58] fsilva (~fsilva@201.86.8.145.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:58] afaik, you have to resort to other tools [10:58] i think you'd designate a main branch for that [10:58] Nope. [10:58] change to the brancha nd "git pull" ? [10:58] brainvision (~brainvisi@95.238.47.2) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [10:58] State of a project as in...? [10:58] snapshit [10:58] *shot [10:58] then all your development would be to sub branch and you'd merge the code back in when its working [10:59] :P [10:59] as in getting ONLY a specific revision. [10:59] which would, imo, be somewhat non-trivial to do. [10:59] thing is... once I get my head around to the right way of thinking.. i then have to convince 50 windows-using software engineers.. [10:59] yeah, it's definitely not simple [10:59] lol # Zordrak [10:59] * @ [10:59] (my typing is becoming awful) [10:59] think about how git stores a revision. [11:00] i wanted to use it for document management as well [11:00] but i'm not sure how to organize it [11:00] i guess thats really my issue [11:00] for the moment im in no rush because i know the conversion from SVN to Git is so simple.. theres ne real impetus to get going [11:01] getting coders on it isn't an issue, but what about a typical office drone [11:02] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [11:02] Skywise: Git is fantastic for document management. [11:02] if someone doesnt understand revision control, the closest they should be to using it is submitting patches. [11:02] spook: Agreed. [11:02] i wouldn't presume these people understand email [11:03] then they can get their butchers paper and crayons and use internal office mail to submit changes [11:03] haha [11:03] i've had people complain about not being to email that the net is down [11:04] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:04] trhodes: Snapshots are simple and easy in git. As a matter of fact, I'd put the ability of git to handle snapshots way above that of SVN - in git, you can pull a single file from a single revision. [11:04] I have a program launched with wine (a disk catalog) it sees C: and Z: (root i beleive) but not removable media, cdrom, dvdrom [11:04] cool [11:04] http://www.gitready.com/intermediate/2009/02/27/get-a-file-from-a-specific-revision.html [11:04] Azeotrope: yes. that is how wine behaves. [11:05] Azeotrope: unless you configure it to have removable media. [11:05] spook: but on ubuntu it saw it [11:05] thanks jkwood [11:05] oh [11:05] you have any links about implementing git? [11:05] Azeotrope: You'll need to add symlinks to your .wine/dosdevices directory. [11:05] Skywise: man git [11:05] git and hg are two beasts [11:05] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:05] i think i'd feel better if i could design something first [11:06] jkwood: a symlink to /media/cdrom? [11:06] Nick change: xchg_spi -> xchg [11:06] hg is godawful vomit-inducing hatred [11:07] keep in mind i'm providing for an enviroment where they consider something they can't use as not working [11:07] git is like an extremely capable revision-control engine with supporting utils ... if you know how to use it, you can do pretty much anything with it ... it doesn't really "design" a comprehensive respository architecture for you, it leaves that up to you [11:07] Azeotrope: Name it a dos drive letter, like D: [11:07] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:08] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [11:08] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [11:08] jkwood: did that. thanks! [11:08] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [11:09] ... so, the implicit "first step" toward a "design" is to learn how to use git, imho [11:09] Also, Z: should be a symlink to your root filesystem, so you can access things that way. [11:11] jkwood: slack mounts the dvd to /media/name_of_dvd [11:11] how can i make it mount to /media/cdrom? [11:13] Azeotrope, winecfg may assist you [11:13] I'm really not sure. [11:13] udev [11:13] but that would be horrid [11:13] stop hal polling on the device, then mount it by hand ? [11:14] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:14] DenNOLA (~dennis@173-130-115-48.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [11:15] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) joined ##slackware. [11:16] fstab [11:19] not working [11:19] it mounts but i can't see any files [11:19] Hello. Q: If I have successfully installed a Slackbuild (in this case Picasa3 beta), and want to upgrade to the latest version of Picasa3 (one which sucks less) how exactly do I do this? Do I (a) do a complete uninstall, then reinstall SBo using the more recent version and change the script accordingly, or (b) employ some other, simpler solution? [11:20] fsilva (~fsilva@201.22.53.171.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:20] upgradepkg [11:21] DenNOLA, sbopkg -> edit slackbuild -> build and upgrade package [11:23] jkwood: wait. Are you saying I could really just type $ upgradepkg (option) picasa .....and that would do it? [11:24] DenNOLA: Once you've built the new version, pretty much. [11:24] after it's built, yes [11:24] upgradepkg will do an in-place upgrade. [11:24] could someone help me out.. I'm not grasping what i should do to install this http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/at76c50x-usb. [11:25] brainvision (~brainvisi@95.238.47.2) joined ##slackware. [11:25] Ok. That's what I'll try to do then. Thanks for the help, as always. [11:26] so i download compat-wireless? [11:27] No problem. [11:31] Shuren (~Devilman@host137-61-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:32] alexcg (~alexander@77.247.161.31) joined ##slackware. [11:32] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [11:32] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [11:33] Ok, I must be doing something wrong. I have Picasa3 installed (from SBo), yet upgardepkg didn't work. http://pastebin.com/s33DYdLu [11:33] *upgradepkg [11:33] upgradepkg /path/to/new/packagename [11:34] I'm not sure where sbopkg keeps their stuff. [11:34] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [11:34] OUTPUT [11:34] =/tmp [11:34] meh... DenNOLA do you have the new updated package? [11:34] /tmp/SBo [11:35] upgradepkg /tmp/picasa [11:35] slava_dp: I guess I don't know what you mean by "new". As I've said, I have version Picasa3 which I installed within then past few months. [11:36] (sorry, not trying to be obstuse) [11:36] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.76.184) joined ##slackware. [11:36] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:36] read the slackbook, the section on package management [11:37] slava_dp: will do. I happen to have a physically bound version of it sitting right next to me. brb [11:38] speaking of the slackbook, when is the next one coming out? [11:38] anybody knows when the next slackbook is ready? [11:38] slava_dp: speak to Alan_Hicks [11:38] Action: slava_dp was just kidding [11:39] :P [11:39] Rossonero (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [11:39] Alan_Hicks: *prod* [11:39] hello best community [11:40] Camarade_Tux: grep 2.6 :o http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=6249 [11:40] I have an issue : is there a way to discover a duplicated ip in the same network [11:40] ? [11:40] "arping -D" command is not that good.. sometimes it lies ! [11:40] HAHAHA: "This release fixes an unexpectedly large number of flaws, from outright bugs (surprisingly many, considering this is "grep") to some occasionally debilitating performance problems." [11:40] pprkut: ;-) [11:41] indeed :> [11:41] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.39.8) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:41] lol [11:41] Camarade_Tux: wow.. [11:41] lol that's nice [11:42] Nick change: raph0x88_ -> raph0x8 [11:42] Nick change: raph0x8 -> raph0x88 [11:44] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-55-52.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:44] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:45] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [11:45] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-154-175.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:46] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.39.8) joined ##slackware. [11:47] nick4 (~fffeop@188.4.21.209.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:48] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-183-252.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [11:49] how do you deal with apps you need to leave running on a server but that have an X window.... [11:49] NX [11:49] hm [11:49] vnc. [11:50] alienBOB's got a freeNX slackbuild [11:50] ive played with nx but not extensively... my concern is resources [11:50] yeah, NX just feels fragile [11:50] so far they all use VNC and have a whole KDE session per machine that they then leave idle for months [11:50] so reduce them to twm or something [11:50] Why do they need KDE running? [11:50] hm [11:50] adamk: legacy [11:51] Yeah, or if it's just one window, don't even use a WM. [11:51] NX is pretty nice in how it lets your WM deal with windows [11:51] its a single Tk interface to an R script-hell [11:51] kinda like GNU screen in that regard [11:51] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-55-52.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:52] you know if it was ncurses instead... [11:52] heh [11:52] nx may be the way to go [11:52] i'll warn you though, NX just "feels" fragile [11:52] i use it daily though [11:53] it's some libs hacked together with bash [11:53] better anything than stale VNC sessions [11:53] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [11:53] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:53] esp since this is going to be for gridengine jobs [11:53] slava_dp: I think I understand. You are saying that to use upgradepkg on my OLD version of Picasa I need first to install the NEW version of Picasa, then employ upgradepkg so the old version will be replaced with the new version. If this is correct, then we are back to my original question (or issue) as the current Picasa slackbuild is 3.0.blah blah blah, and what I need is 3.6 [11:54] DenNOLA: Change the version in the SlackBuild, and supply it the new source. Build the package. Then, instead of using installpkg on the new pacakge, use upgradepkg. [11:55] shouldnt he be using upgradepkg anyway... [11:55] jkwood: AHHHHHHH. [11:55] Ok [11:55] tough understanding [11:55] Huge lightbulb just went off there. Thanks guys. [11:55] spook: It's a good idea to use upgradepkg --install-new, yeah. [11:56] because its much 'smarter' than installpkg [11:57] Zordrak: are the NX clients going to be on 32 bit machines ? [11:57] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [11:58] ("client" in NX terminology) [11:58] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [11:58] 64 servers accesed from 32 windows [11:58] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-183-252.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [11:58] i'm not sure of the licensing on the windows clients :/ [11:59] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [11:59] The clients are all free [11:59] hmmmm, what do you guys use to convert a mpeg2 file to vob files? [11:59] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-8-150.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:59] what i wouldnt give for gnu screen to wrap around X output and allow the display to be suspended when detached [11:59] memcoder ? [12:00] alienBOB: Im trying to use kde 4.4.1 gathering from your website and with current -current without sucess [12:00] Necos: its pretty powerful. [12:00] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:00] alienBOB: will qtnx just not build on 32 bit ? [12:00] i used to use tovid (using avidemux to convert the file from xvid to mpeg2) [12:00] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:01] trhodes: why do you think that? [12:01] AbsTradELic: please explain [12:01] alienBOB: you don't have a 32 bit package (IIRC) [12:02] hey guys, anyone using atop ? [12:02] can't seem to build it correctly with the slackbuild [12:03] alienBOB: x86 (32 bits) arch [12:03] a crash with plasma workspace [12:03] phrags: An error would help. [12:03] no errors, just does not produce a package [12:03] O_o [12:03] alienBOB: ok, i remember now: it's 32 bit on 13.0 :) [12:04] you are running -current [12:04] XGizzmo: yeh, i'm checking exactly where it fails [12:04] or use bash4 [12:04] It fail at the strip lines [12:04] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-8-150.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:04] ok so it makes, then fails with.. [12:04] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-123-108.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:04] patching file atop.init [12:04] `atopsar' -> `atop' [12:05] no error message [12:05] phrags: Add a || true the the second strip line. [12:05] to the [12:05] instead of the | ? [12:05] no [12:05] trhodes it's there: http://slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/freenx/pkg/13.0/freenx-client-0.9-i486-1alien.tgz [12:06] phrags: At the end, it's a bash 4 problem. [12:06] XGizzmo: sorry, explain what the OR statement is for ? [12:06] make it look like the first line at the end [12:06] ah i see =) [12:06] alienBOB: yes, sorry, it was the lack of one for 12.x that I was thinking of [12:06] (a 32 bit freenx client) [12:06] find exits non-zerro if there is nothing found. [12:06] alienBOB: kde-4.4.1 start but the crash fix in a black screen.... I see its working but I dont have funcionality anyway [12:06] AbsTradELic: plasma crashes should be discussed in #kde I think. I never had crashes, and I run KDE4.4.1 in 32bit as well as 64bit [12:07] XGizzmo: aha, that worked a treat, thanks mate =) [12:07] alienBOB: are you using current -current ? [12:07] AbsTradELic: are you running "startx" in runlevel 3? [12:07] lol [12:07] in bash 4 that causes the child process to fail and the main on fails also. [12:07] heh, i imagine so =P [12:07] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:07] alienBOB: pkgs for freenx, freenx-client, nx, but no nx-client? is it built into nx? [12:07] XGizzmo: i see [12:07] Zordrak: no [12:08] XGizzmo: should i report that to slackbuilds? [12:08] nope [12:08] leave it in your capable hands =) [12:08] alienBOB: yes [12:08] trhodes: .. [12:08] DenNOLA (dennis@173-130-115-48.pools.spcsdns.net) left ##slackware. [12:08] alienBOB: in both runlevel 3 and 4 [12:09] Zordrak: http://www.nomachine.com/download-client-windows.php for the windows clients... which is why I brought up licensing [12:09] phrags: We will get all those fixed before 13.1 is released. [12:09] well... its can be the video graphic problem [12:09] sweet [12:10] alexcg (~alexander@77.247.161.31) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:10] alienBOB: Im using a GF 5200 [12:10] trhodes: im looking for slackmare client not windows [12:10] Zordrak: for older than 13.0 ? [12:10] >.< [12:10] I tried to install the proprietary driver without sucess [12:10] no. for 13.0 [12:10] freenx-client [12:11] let me restate the question [12:11] alienBOB: pkgs for freenx, freenx-client, nx, but no nx-client? is it built into nx? [12:11] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-67-177.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:11] alienBOB: at this moment Im using the NV X11 driver [12:11] AbsTradELic: Are you running the correct driver? [12:11] yes... [12:12] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:12] freenx-client is the same as qtnx, is the same as "the fully opensource NX client, not developed by NoMachine, for Linux" [12:12] alienBOB: is there not one that NM develop? [12:12] AbsTradELic: do you see anything in the X.Org log or in your console where you run "startx"? [12:13] Zordrak: sorry, i misunderstood "64 servers accesed from 32 windows" above :P [12:13] nick4 (~fffeop@188.4.21.209.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: [12:13] you guys use exchange 2003 with any linux clients ? [12:14] Gah-ross. [12:14] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-123-108.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:15] phrags, i just use IMAP [12:16] bloody thing... all i get from freenx-client is "Process Started" and "notQProcess error: 0 crashed. errno:2" when trying to start sessions [12:16] jkwood: yeh, corporate rules.. i do get to use slack -current exclusively on my workstation =) [12:16] alienBOB: I believe its a kde problem... it can be a problem with KDE binary dependences migration from X 7.4 to X 7.5 ?? [12:16] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:17] you build came from old big current upgrade [12:17] godmode (~godmode@cpe-72-129-64-131.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:17] phrags, the only thing that i know that works with exchange is evolution :( [12:17] Zordrak: unix, custom, standalone session ? This might be more trouble than it's worth. [12:17] your build came before* old bit current upgrade [12:17] aff [12:18] Necos: ah yeah, i saw that was a possibility.. heqavy gnome deps tho from what i can tell [12:18] sorry: your build came before the big* current upgrade [12:18] you have to build more than 1/2 of gnome to use it [12:19] AbsTradELic: the kde 4.4.1 batch was after the big update in -current [12:21] http://www.openchange.org/ havent looked at this yet. looks pretty exchange specific though i might need to look closer at it. [12:21] openchange needs samba4 [12:22] openchange doesn't work natively [12:22] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [12:22] pprkut: ok... Im using nouveau kernel module too [12:22] evolution is the only one that does AFAIK [12:22] its can be a graphical problem [12:22] Nick change: sluckxz_ -> sluckxz [12:22] AbsTradELic: now *that* sounds more like it. [12:23] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-82-59.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [12:23] sluckxz (~sluckxz@24-116-8-105.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Changing host [12:23] sluckxz (~sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) joined ##slackware. [12:23] AbsTradELic: have you compiled your own userspace stack for nouveau? [12:23] pprkut: in X11 ? nops [12:23] I need help for it [12:24] AbsTradELic: my KDE 4.4.1 packages were build _after_ the big -current update. And several KDE 4.4.0 packages that I already had, were _rebuilt_ after that upgrade to link against the enw libpng [12:24] AbsTradELic: if you need help for that, you shouldn't do it. Rather blacklist the nouveau kernel module and use nvidia's binary driver [12:25] huM... X:( [12:25] eviljames (~james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [12:26] pprkut: ok... I will do progressive tests in this way [12:27] does the xf86-video-ati build support for evergreen? [12:27] but I would like to test/use nouveau modules [12:27] rathern the one in -current [12:27] NaCl: don't think so. It was just recently added upstream [12:28] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-146-20.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:28] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:29] pprkut: 6.12.5... [12:29] Hm. I wonder if compiling the git rc will cause epic fail... [12:29] 6.12 series is just in maintanence, I think; the good stuff should be in 6.13 [12:30] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:30] NaCl, whenever i compile stuff like that, i just make sure to bzip the folder and name it accordingly [12:30] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-67-177.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:30] and then use the xorg slackbuild [12:30] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:31] NaCl: I never had to deal with ati so I might not be the best one to talk to here :) [12:31] can't get lilo to boot from /dev/hda ... what settings in the bios aside from antivirus would stop lilo from working. [12:31] ide settings? [12:31] antivirus stopping lilo? [12:31] bios antivirus [12:31] BIOS mbr protection [12:31] MBR checks [12:31] ah [12:32] bad lilo.conf? >.> [12:32] older bios's call it AV... [12:32] subvhome: what kernel ? [12:32] im installing slackware on a old device with a Transmeta Crusoe 1ghz .. :) [12:32] subvhome: What error message? [12:32] fun [12:32] the names of IDE devices changed [12:33] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:33] pprkut: know if there might be issues with mesa not being updated here? [12:33] I am considering upgrading my desktop box. [12:33] No error message. I did get one error message before.. Fatal: Filesystem will break or something like that if lilo installs on /dev/hda [12:33] im using the stock kernel [12:33] spook, if i use mencoder to convert an mpeg2 to vob, wouldn't it have to re-encode it? [12:33] how can i blank out the MBR? dosemu? [12:34] NaCl: the only thing I'm sure of is that you want kernel 2.6.34 for that. Everything else I would have to read up as well [12:34] Necos you use "direct copy"? [12:34] dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512? [12:34] there we go [12:34] subvhome: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/robbys-libata-switchover-howto/ [12:34] that sounds right with count=1 [12:35] trhodes: interesting i will check it out [12:36] Necos: generally isnt that how changing formats works? [12:36] not if it's already dvd compatible [12:36] pprkut: um, is running rc kernels a good or bad thing? [12:36] NaCl: depends on whether they fix or break something ;) [12:37] tovid did some strange magic that just produced vob files from the mpeg2 file [12:37] subvhome: actually, I should have sent you here: http://rlworkman.net/howtos/libata-switchover but google had alien's page higher in the results [12:37] pprkut: me no likie. :/ [12:37] biker (~biker@201.170.193.117.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [12:37] trhodes: i didn't upgrade a kernel.. i just finished installing 13.. [12:38] is your lilo.conf correct ? [12:38] pprkut: and when is 2.6.34 supposed to go gold? [12:38] looks it. [12:38] let me try rebooting .. [12:39] NaCl, just started with RC's, so a couple months probably [12:39] gah [12:39] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:39] fglrx will probably have a more working module by then [12:39] I hope [12:39] fglrx should work in -current already [12:39] i think im going to use simple boot manager for now. The error: Hard disk boot sector invalid//Press N to retry the Hard Disk, any other for floppy. [12:39] thrice`: no, does not support xorg 7.5 [12:39] yes it does :> [12:40] what? [12:40] Action: NaCl google [12:40] Action: NaCl googles [12:40] NaCl, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/running-fglrx-with-current-796669/ [12:40] ubuntu is about to release, so of course ATI released a driver :) [12:40] ubuntu just got a "special" fglrx for xorg-server 1.7 [12:40] subvhome: legacy grub is in extra/ [12:40] what? [12:40] Action: NaCl grumbles [12:41] NaCl: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22649 [12:41] NaCl: From what I understand, it works in -current but requires manual installation. [12:41] meh. I had to patch fglrx to get it to install the last time I tried it [12:42] hrm.. i will try that ... my device is OQO Model 01 (not 01+) UMPC [12:42] this thing fits in my pocket [12:42] its old tho [12:42] 10.2 installed on 13.0 without any patching for me. [12:42] 10.2 blew up in my face when I tried to use it [12:42] 10.1 worked fine, 9.12 required patching [12:43] then it also worked fine [12:43] Odd.. I used 9.12 on slackware 13.0 without any patching :-) [12:43] NaCl, you shoulda seen the 1-liner craze yopu started [12:43] I skipped 10.1, but 10.2 works fine here on 13. [12:43] 9.12 on -current [12:43] great after dd the mBR i got a kernel panic :\ [12:44] Well, yeah, nothing works on -current now except for that 10.4 prerelease. [12:44] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:44] adamk: yeah, that's what I was looking for. [12:44] Action: NaCl will use that [12:44] thanks, all [12:44] rbellamy (~rbellamy@adsl-69-105-233-172.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:44] subvhome, what was your dd command? [12:44] mancha: haha [12:44] NaCl: here's some of what resulted: http://pastebin.com/Tf1G1A6h [12:45] linus72 (~linus72@pool-72-86-57-244.clppva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:45] reminds me... [12:45] of...? [12:45] dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 [12:45] I looked at BP{k}'s solution, but tabs are 8 chars, right? [12:45] then i installed lilo [12:46] thats the wrong size [12:46] you zerod your partition table [12:46] I have texlive installed, so the formatting will break. [12:46] Nick change: akber -> init[1] [12:46] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.231.158) joined ##slackware. [12:46] aiigt.. ill fix it.. thanks straterra [12:46] you wanted 384, not 512 [12:46] rbellamy (~rbellamy@adsl-69-105-233-172.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:46] yw [12:47] 384 huh [12:47] ok [12:47] rbellamy (~rbellamy@adsl-69-105-233-172.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:47] and yet another reason to nuke texlive [12:48] oops >.> [12:48] botnet (1000@c-24-19-76-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:48] rbellamy (~rbellamy@adsl-69-105-233-172.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:49] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [12:49] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [12:49] rbellamy (~rbellamy@adsl-69-105-233-172.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] subvhome: I lied [12:49] try 446 [12:50] 446 [12:50] i googled :) [12:50] im going to give up for now on lilo [12:50] 446 zeroes MBR right subvhome? [12:51] work on installing the atmel chipset wireless module [12:51] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [12:51] yup [12:51] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.231.158) left irc: Client Quit [12:51] wonder if the same applies to a zif drive [12:51] it should i take it [12:51] subvhome: What's a `zif' drive? [12:52] dd scares me alot:) [12:52] zip interchange format [12:52] j/k [12:52] Mel-nix: 1.8 harddrive found in classic ipods [12:52] hehe [12:52] I do fdisk -l like 3 times before doing any dd stuff:) [12:53] when i load my slackdvd what do i type after boot: to get a quick rescue prompt? recue? [12:53] rescue? [12:53] that's a debian thing [12:54] subvhome: just hit return [12:54] amnesia (~amnesia@c-68-51-168-32.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:54] anybody got experience with ltsp+slackware [12:54] botnet (1000@c-24-19-76-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:54] no.. i never really saw the point [12:54] it takes forever to load my kernel via sd card [12:54] subvhome: congrats [12:54] ltsp ? [12:54] i got a shitload of pcs without hds [12:54] ;[ [12:54] linux terminal server project [12:55] amnesia: sooo.. ssh [12:55] well i need help [12:55] terminal server? for windows? [12:55] no slackware [12:55] ssh pwns [12:55] amnesia: what help [12:55] nfs: server xxxxx not responding still trying [12:55] it loads the kernel and freezes there [12:55] so fine your network is borked or your nfs server isnt serving [12:55] ..after mounting the filesystem? [12:56] mounting root filesystem: /opt/ltsp/i386 from: 192.xxx [12:56] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:56] hmmm `sbopkg "FAAC=yes" -b transcode' isn't correct? [12:56] same server in the error [12:56] ? [12:56] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:56] i dunno it loads everything and dies there [12:57] #ltsp? [12:57] yea support channel with no support [12:57] mailing lists and forums [12:57] intriuging [12:58] oh well [12:58] amnesia (amnesia@c-68-51-168-32.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [12:58] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-82-59.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:59] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [12:59] what is the usenet? [12:59] Necos: you didn't wanna mess with mencoder or it didn't work as expected ? [13:00] Azeotrope: go away [13:00] trying not to mess with mencoder (don't know which options to use) [13:00] Tadgy (~tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) joined ##slackware. [13:01] mplayer / mencoder's good about givin feedback for screwups [13:01] Necos, you need to export the FAAC option, put it into a options.build file in the transcode directory, or use the sbopkg dialog interface and set FAAC=yes as a build option [13:02] hi chess [13:02] Tadgy (~tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) left irc: Quit: BitchX: No windows left! [13:02] ah, that makes sense [13:02] hey trhodes, how's it going [13:03] i was just curious to build something that needed build options [13:03] what the hell is the deal with R.. it doesnt work like anything im used to and its frustrating [13:03] Necos: IOW, 'sbopkg "my build options" -b application' won't work [13:03] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:04] It's going well :), How're things going for you ? [13:04] chess, i noticed >.<; [13:04] Necos: yeah, that's probably something that could be added. Right now, you could try 'echo "FAAC=yes" >> /path/to/sbo/repo/transcode/options.build' and that should do it. or just use the dialog interface. [13:05] sbopkg saves build options in an options.build file in the app's directory in the repo [13:06] where did acroread go?! [13:06] trhodes: not too shabby overall. need to get some lunch :/ [13:06] it's still there [13:06] bah.. i think that box is 64 [13:06] nm [13:06] chess, usually, i just download the slackbuild and modify it, but i wanted to see how sbopkg handled it [13:07] Azeotrope: Usenet is a part of the Internet. [13:07] hey guys, anyoen know how to force konsole to remember my profile? everything saves, just bloody tabs keep popping up at bottom on every new session, even tho i specify 'Show Tab Bar When Needed' [13:08] usenet is like boneless [13:09] Action: godmode kernel hackin' is a past time activity... smoke session time! [13:10] phrags, I can never get "edit current profile" to work. you have to go into the profiles thing, click on default, and then choose "edit" from there and save it [13:10] heh, i can just use dvdauthor... apparently, that's what tovid was using [13:10] phrags, er, "settings -> manage profiles" or so (sorry, not on kde at the moment) [13:11] Tadgy (~tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) joined ##slackware. [13:11] if you have never liked kde 2.x or kde 3.x should you still try kde 4.4 then ? [13:11] goarilla: uhh YEAH [13:12] uuhh NO [13:12] psh [13:13] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] kde 4 is very different looking IMO [13:13] thrice`: yeh i think it's buggy, just won't remember that one setting.. i'll grep for it in ~/ =) [13:13] its very different feeling [13:13] linus72 (~linus72@pool-72-86-57-244.clppva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:13] its one complete thing now instead of a hundred things cobbled together [13:13] but i still just use a WM... i don't really need desktop icons :P [13:13] i did like konqueror and its KIO_parts from time to time [13:14] Necos: i have no desktop icons... [13:14] Zordrak, was that you that said you like psh ? [13:14] i don't use a DE... :P [13:14] just openbox with tint2 [13:15] i use awesome 2.x [13:15] and before that i used fluxbox for 5 years [13:15] i still think flux is one of the best floating wm's out there [13:15] anywho, breakfast time... :) [13:16] tea time! [13:17] you're brittish ? [13:17] agrh, alien is not working here. hmmph empty packages from deb to tgz [13:17] lol for i moment i was thinking about alienBOB [13:17] haha [13:18] dtanner, extract + makepkg them? :) [13:18] Action: dtanner smacks google chrome for not having a fuckin' source download [13:18] how do you extract a deb [13:19] ar [13:19] ar ? like ranlib ar ? [13:19] "ar" [13:19] thx thrice [13:21] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-18-185.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:22] same stuff that's used for static libs [13:22] yes [13:23] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-98.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:23] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [13:24] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:26] nader (~nader___@84.241.18.242) joined ##slackware. [13:26] very annoying have 10+ akonadi procs when i've disabled akonadi in the desktop settings [13:26] how do i disable completely ? 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[13:37] wedjat (wedjat@unaffiliated/wedjat) left ##slackware. [13:37] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@a85-139-11-123.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:38] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@a85-139-11-123.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:39] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-94-88.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [13:39] urg, what an ugly quit msg [13:39] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@a85-139-11-123.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:40] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@a85-139-11-123.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:41] hey running kernel 2.6.29.6, should i even bother moving to 2.6.33? [13:42] Do you have a good reason to? [13:42] educational.... [13:43] How is it educational? [13:44] hmmm, you are right, how? great question.. [13:44] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-25-103.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:45] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [13:45] simple 2.6.33 has a new feature 'jiggawatts particle combobulator' [13:45] mind you its still experimental [13:46] wtf? [13:46] why not look at the changelog to decide [13:46] Action: admboom starts grepping .config for jiggawatts [13:46] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: pz [13:46] admboom, run, its a trap! [13:47] godmode: It will be educational only if you compile and install it yourself. [13:47] egrep '(jiggawatts|particle|combobulator|web3.0) [13:47] Even then, the only educational part is make menuconfig [13:47] one good stuff in .33 is kvm [13:47] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-185.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:47] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [13:47] the rest of building a kernel is: "make && make modules && make modules_install && make install" <- followed by waiting. [13:47] ctrl+alt+f1 never was so smooth and sweet and fast [13:47] lots, and lots, and lots of waiting [13:47] eviljames: nope: 'ed .config' is the only true way -_- [13:47] Camarade_Tux: now THAT would be educational :P [13:48] -j3 is not lot of waiting =) [13:48] 2.6.33 has nouveau [13:48] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: You make your own luck in life. [13:48] but it's not really usable [13:48] guax: It's still a lot of waiting. I did -j8 yesterday and it was 45 minutes! [13:48] I did -j7 on yesterday and it was 1 minute [13:48] If you disable everything you're sure you won't need, much less waiting. [13:48] Camarade_Tux: lies. [13:48] Shuren (~Devilman@host137-61-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:48] i think my waiting is going to be more then 45.. runnin ibm thinkpad 390x [13:48] eviljames, if i compile i do a per item analysis [13:49] eviljames: want a proof? [13:49] nothing i dont need to, if i dont know what is, i research to discover. lately i am lazy and fat so i just install the generic from slackware [13:49] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [13:49] i think i am just going to slim down the 2.6.29 down.. [13:50] .33 ftw [13:50] ++ guax ; [13:50] lspci & make menuconfig takes about 15-20 minutes to read through everything and make a lean mean custom kernel [13:50] eviljames: make clean; make oldconfig; time make -j7 [13:51] i dont know if anybody here has used dmassage on openbsd before, I wanted to port that to linux but havent had time [13:51] xsamurai: but for what gain? [13:51] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Read error: No route to host [13:52] bootgraph [13:52] eviljames: which comment are you referring to ? [13:52] (bootgraph.pl) [13:52] xsamurai: making a lean mean custom kernel. [13:53] eviljames: done [13:53] eviljames: i dont like bloat [13:53] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:53] xsamurai: don't get me wrong, I agree with your statement. [13:53] eviljames: 1m49s real, 4m33 user, 21s sys [13:53] eviljames: even slackpkgs with extra configure options "hint hint ldap" , i remove [13:53] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:54] what i dont need or use i strip and remove [13:54] ya know, maybe i should start using make -j 6 or so... it'd probably speed things up considerably [13:54] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:54] hence i use slackware , as apposed to other whored distros [13:54] xsamurai: So, you remove the potential of yourself using such features in the future as well. [13:54] Necos: on which kind of box? [13:55] eviljames: i dont use wlan on my desktop, will never so no future potential [13:55] usb speakers [13:55] W T F ?!?! One of my sge execution hosts has just changed its name from gridhost2 to Tester! I have NO idea how or why [13:55] gige lan [13:55] bluetooth etc etc [13:55] Linux tessai 2.6.29.6-smp #2 SMP Mon Aug 17 00:52:54 CDT 2009 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6700 @ 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [13:55] the list can go on [13:55] Camarade_Tux: I'll run through that same thing for me. See if I can't get close to your time :P [13:55] beer time! [13:55] using generic kernel is just lazy and fits a temporary usage [13:55] powtrix- (~powtrix@189-69-25-108.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:55] xsamurai: but loading the modules for that takes near-zero time. having it as a module only takes up a touch of space on your drive, and gives you increased possible functionality. [13:56] xsamurai: modules are not loaded into memory until you ask for them to be, or via the on-demand loader when they need to be. [13:56] and second run give: 1m38s real, 4m34s user, 22 sys [13:56] xsamurai: OTOH you have inspired me to go back over my config and modularize as much as possible :P [13:56] eviljames: once again, trust me even its takes 1byte I will remove it [13:57] modules make boot slower ;p [13:57] s/even its/even if it/ [13:57] that's what i call paranoia :P [13:57] xsamurai: I disagree with your approach on a fundamental level. I want the most usable system I can have. [13:57] i RARELY reboot my slack box at work [13:57] so boot times are meaningless [13:57] xsamurai: So this means that I build as many different things as modules, have them loaded as needed. [13:57] eviljames: yep thats why its linux =) [13:57] powtrix| (~powtrix@189-69-17-5.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:57] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:58] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-25-103.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:58] Nick change: powtrix| -> powtrix [13:58] xsamurai: s/linux/Slackware/ .. this is YOUR linux. We can have fundamentally different approaches and be compatible :P [13:58] case in point: [tessai@tessai:~/code/phys375 #]> uptime [13:58] 10:57:31 up 78 days, 47 min, 1 user, load average: 0.86, 0.82, 0.84 [13:58] i use fluxbox as well [13:58] hahah [13:58] 09:53:12 up 12:39, 6 users, load average: 0.06, 0.07, 0.02 [13:58] :( [13:58] how do you do $( ) in csh? [13:58] xsamurai: agree 100%, hence why i always install slackware w/ laptop. stripping away unwanted junk! [13:58] Zordrak, no clue; ` ` doesn't work? [13:58] bah, I just rebooted this morning when I rebuilt the case (yes, the *case*) and added a pair of disks [13:59] burning a video dvd in k3b right now >.<; [13:59] xsamurai: KDE4 for me, amigo. I'm what you might call a zealot on that front :P [13:59] thrice`: yep :) hadnt tried it [13:59] guax (~guax@189.4.99.206) joined ##slackware. [13:59] guax (~guax@189.4.99.206) left irc: Changing host [13:59] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [13:59] kde == fat girl at coffee shop [14:00] lol @ xsamurai [14:00] i started this box up the first day i came back to work... haven't rebooted since... [14:00] Then Gnome's her morbidly obese schizophrenic coworker. [14:00] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:00] she looks hip and trendy but still fat [14:00] s/came back to work/came back to work after xmas break/; [14:00] I have to git-bisect the kernel in order to find a bug in radeon's kms with my card, talk about uptime =/ [14:00] xsamurai so right man.. nail in the coffin with that one. lol [14:01] powtrix- (~powtrix@189-69-25-108.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:01] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:01] Action: xsamurai back to work to play with my combobulator [14:01] xsamurai: She lost weight, and now she's riding with me. Too bad for you. [14:01] lol [14:02] The only reason to use KDE is if you have one of those attachments that you put in your ass so it can fuck you - just so you know exactly how your computer feels. [14:02] wow, what kind of wierd dreams do you have at night Tadgy? >.> [14:02] (censored) [14:02] You don't want to know :) [14:02] jkwood: haha [14:03] jkwood: her weight loss is like kristie alley... it will come back [14:03] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:03] KDE has always tried too hard to be Windows IMO. [14:03] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:03] Action: NaCl begins the massive -current upgrade [14:04] only now? :o [14:04] fglrx [14:04] fun =) [14:04] i need a nap [14:04] my lappy has the upgrades [14:04] i upgraded to current before the kde 4.4 madness... i think i'll wait for 13.1 ^.^ [14:05] Tadgy: Stroll much? [14:05] Necos: kde 4.4? [14:05] jkwood: Sorry? [14:05] Tadgy, i'd argue that KDE is trying to produce a seamless transition for new users, and they've succeeded [14:05] Oh, ha... you were trying to be funny. [14:06] Storry :P [14:06] Camarade_Tux, i upgraded to current before the release of kde 4.4 [14:06] XGizzmo_ (~gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:06] once again everybody has their own preferences , whatever floats your boats [14:06] Tadgy, and you're kind of messed up [14:06] xsamurai, and i don't use KDE for that reason :P [14:06] didnt mean to start another who's wang is bigger war [14:06] I'm not trolling... I just don't like KDE. And i'm a GNOME packager.. [14:06] thrice`: You have *no* idea :) [14:06] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:06] my boat floats along with blackbox... it always has, i love this boat actually. [14:06] except for those ubuntu guys they really have a short short wang, almost no wang [14:06] "gnome packager" doesn't help your case [14:07] for which distro? [14:07] thrice`: You should see what I can do with a goat, some ductape and some vindaloo curry powder :) [14:07] ...... [14:07] thrice`: GSB :) [14:07] ah, neat [14:08] Action: Tadgy is one of the 3 main devs :) [14:08] Tadgy i like curry powder... its awesome! [14:08] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [14:08] Necos: but it isn't in -current anyway :P [14:08] XGizzmo_ (~gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [14:08] where's the security update for ff? [14:08] I don't actually like GNOME for that matter - I just dislike it less than KDE, and I want the apps. [14:08] i know it isn't... i'm just giving you a timeline :P [14:08] I use WindowMaker on all my systems. [14:08] nader (~nader___@84.241.18.242) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:08] is there one? [14:09] echelon, sure there is [14:09] WindowMaker would be my preferred WM if only it let users move windows from one desktop to another with a keybinding. [14:09] you said not for -current? [14:09] i didn't say shit about current >.> [14:09] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:10] oh, that's what Camarade_Tux [14:10] it's in the patches/ directory for 13.0 on any mirror [14:10] said [14:10] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [14:10] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:10] he was saying kde 4.4 isn't in current [14:10] adamk: Press: Ctl+Escape, scroll down a couple of limes to "move to", select the workspace. [14:10] Job done. [14:11] Not nearly as convenient as control+alt+right/left [14:11] i liked afterstep, but i never took the time to learn how to customize it [14:11] adamk: Agreed.. but you only move the app once, don't you? [14:11] gaz- (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:11] i doubt the mirrors already have it [14:11] You constantly change back and forth in the workspaces. [14:12] Tadgy: Oh, I will excuse your insanity then. [14:12] Necos: hmmm? link? can't see it [14:12] Tadgy: Depends. Sometimes I move lots of windows around that way. Sometimes I want to switch to that desktop after moving the window. [14:12] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [14:13] adamk: Well, you could configure the app to start in a specific workspace :) [14:13] But yeah, you should be able to keybind anything really [14:13] I was just offering an alternative way of doing it :) [14:13] A far inferior alternative... [14:13] :-) [14:14] heh, you can also keybind anything in open/flux/black-box... [14:14] Otherwise, windowmaker is perfect for my needs. [14:14] Necos: Can you keybind moving a window to another desktop and switch to that desktop in fluxbox? [14:14] Inferior would suggest there is another way to do it with key presses. Inferior is a comparison - you've nothing to compare it to. So, technically it's the *best* keyboard only solution, because it is the *only* keyboard solution :) [14:14] i don't see the new patch in.. ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/source/xap/mozilla-firefox/ [14:14] Tadgy: Not if you compare it to another window managers. [14:14] i use openbox (and for that case, the answer is yes) [14:15] Hmmm. [14:15] adamk: Ah, but that wasn't your criteria :) [14:15] he did compare it to other window managers >.> [14:15] Clearly it was, even if you weren't aware of it :-) [14:17] gaz- (gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:17] To be honest, I spend 90% of my time at the console (an actual tty, not a terminal)... I only have about 4 apps that I use in X... and they all live on the one workspace. [14:17] So it's never been an issue for me. [14:17] echelon, did you even pay attention to what i was saying? [14:17] i said it's in the PATCHES directory [14:18] gaz- (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:18] for 13.0? [14:18] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:18] do you see the word patches anywhere in that path? [14:19] yes, so look in the patches directory in 13.0 or current if you're dead set on using current (it's the same) [14:19] but i'm using -current packages [14:19] security updates always go in the patches directory [14:19] IT DOES NOT MATTER [14:19] and there isn't anything there [14:19] firefox is a binary repackaging [14:20] and is not limited to the same constraints as other packages [14:20] same goes for thunderbird [14:21] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:21] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:22] http://mirrors.vbi.vt.edu/mirrors/linux/slackware/slackware-13.0/patches/packages/mozilla-firefox-3.6-i686-1.txz [14:22] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:22] oh [14:22] well, sorry about the confusion on my part :) [14:22] http://mirrors.vbi.vt.edu/mirrors/linux/slackware/slackware-current/slackware/xap/mozilla-firefox-3.6-i686-1.txz [14:23] so current and 13.0 users would be using EXACTLY the same package... get it now? [14:25] they should really have a different build number [14:25] no they shouldn't [14:25] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [14:25] why [14:25] because they're not different [14:25] they're exactly the same package [14:26] but the binary's different [14:26] no, it's not [14:26] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Client Quit [14:26] it's not? [14:26] 10:14 < Necos> firefox is a binary repackaging [14:26] so where's the security update? [14:26] in the binary, no? [14:27] echelon what update do you mean? the most recent 3.6.2? [14:27] 32bits firefox is a binary repackaging. [14:27] he didn't say he was using 64bit, so... [14:29] lol [14:29] my mac ff just prompted me to install the 3.6.2 update [14:29] it still says.. "a recommended security and stability update is available" [14:29] that's quite the coincidence [14:29] lol goarilla [14:30] echelon, the 3.6.2 update hasn't been repackaged yet [14:30] echelon, pat has not pushed the newest update out, so your 3.6 might be letting you know there's a 3.6.2 [14:30] mine did aswell :) [14:30] oh, that's what i was talking about.. [14:30] geez [14:30] which is a shame since the security vulnerability is so critical that mozilla moved up its rleease date from 3/30 [14:30] Camarade_Tux: In your aforementioned kernel compilation, do you get rid of any modules you may not use? [14:31] eviljames: *of* *course* it's a custom kernel [14:31] quite big however [14:31] anywho, i gotta get running [14:31] later folks [14:31] run Necos, run! [14:31] later Necos [14:31] bye. [14:31] (I shouldn't watch weird German movies) [14:32] echelon, you can use the latest 3.5.x if you prefer, that engine's unaffected by woof [14:32] Camarade_Tux: ahh, I module a ton of stuff out and then build 'em all anyway... as I said above I want random things to 'work' as I plug them in. [14:32] er woff [14:32] valsiterb (~valsiterb@130.207.broadband7.iol.cz) joined ##slackware. [14:32] ok, thanks :) [14:32] hi, i have problem with kernel boot [14:33] it've tried to hibernate, but i can't it restore [14:33] gaz- (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:34] eviljames: as I said, it's a pretty big kernel, definitely not a minimalistic one [14:34] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-5.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:34] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-25-161.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:34] echelon, sorry you'd be in the same boat. seems pat's last 3.5.x was 3.5.2 [14:34] however, if I need something unsupported, I just cd to the sources, edit the config, build as module and make && make modules_install, then modprobe the corresponding module [14:34] oh [14:34] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [14:34] never mind my static. you'll just have to wait for 3.6.2 [14:35] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:35] echelon are you in 32-bits? [14:35] yeah [14:35] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) joined ##slackware. [14:36] all do respect but whats all the commotion about this particulary vuln [14:36] we have had pos remote executable code vulns before [14:37] oh nothing, i just track these things so when they get discussed my ears perk up [14:37] is any option for kernel to boot without loading modules? [14:37] yeah compile all your stuff inside your kernel [14:38] but then we do mean all your stuff [14:38] as for what makes this one a bit different...i'd saya few things... 1) it is related to a program most people use daily (ff) 2) the vuln has been available for over a month including a POS exploit and 3) the level of the transgression is very high in terms of escalation and code execution [14:38] and every thing you can think of that you will ever need [14:38] i need to disable the mods loading, one is buggy [14:38] So..blacklist it? [14:38] what does transgression mean [14:39] google it? [14:39] i can't boot into system... because it's stuck on one module at boot [14:39] you prob need a initrd valsiterb [14:39] So...blacklist it? [14:40] dont forget udev has its own blacklist [14:40] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:40] over a month mancha ? really [14:41] yes, but only to paying customers [14:41] the stuff i saw on /. was like it was found on the 16th or so [14:41] aaah [14:41] it's been fucked in the ass in the darknet [14:41] Camarade_Tux: Know anything about firewire? [14:41] zo a zero day for several weeks [14:41] Action: godmode is so amazed at this bloated kernel! WOW [14:42] lets just hope the 3.6.2 version isnt backwards-compatible to the exploit [14:42] no 3.6.2 effectively eliminates that possibility as it switches to 64-bit math function calls [14:42] godmode: as I was arguing above, does not signify bloat. [14:42] so MS security practices has seeped down into firefox for once [14:42] goarilla: uh..what? [14:42] Firefox has had PLENTY of security issues in the past [14:43] Most products do [14:43] s/Most/All/ [14:43] some vulns only get fixed after 8 months or so [14:43] And? [14:43] goarilla: MS security practices means that security vulns get repackaged as features. I haven't seen FF do that... yet. [14:43] I've known Linux vulns that have taken longer than that to get fixed [14:43] and ... i was flaming [14:43] sorry [14:43] s/repackaged/rebranded/ I suppose :P [14:43] i have yet to hear mozilla announce a critical vulnerability that they will NOT be patching on a product that hasn't yet been EOL'd though [14:43] microsoft did this [14:44] What product was that? [14:44] xp [14:44] straterra: is that like a vuln was found in the kernel [14:44] its been there since 8 months ago ? [14:44] So, a little more on-topic.. Firewire Stacks. Who can tell me the difference between the legacy and Juju? [14:44] like the root exploit a year and a half ago [14:45] eviljames: legacy is old, juju is new :P [14:45] eviljames: hmmm, why? [14:45] when mancha ? [14:45] mancha: XP is EOL [14:45] not yet [14:45] 2011 iirc [14:45] eviljames: you're using firewire devices? [14:45] not when the security vulnerability was announced certainly [14:45] No, 2014 for EXTENDED contract [14:46] eviljames: old celeron laptops do not need support for AMD opteron temperature sensor [14:46] who cares about XP here?? [14:46] damn [14:46] pprkut: Very succinct. :P [14:46] i do [14:46] EOL for XP ended in 2009 [14:46] i can handle xp [14:46] heh, seems the akonadi devs gave in and added code for running sqlite to svn [14:46] well..EOL was in 2009 [14:46] Camarade_Tux: I have a 1.5TB external FW drive [14:46] i thought they extended it [14:46] 04/14/2009 [14:46] with the netbook rage and all [14:46] Camarade_Tux: From what I'm reading online, I might as well just disable the old stack and enable the new one altogether. [14:46] and the vista backfire [14:46] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-29-109.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:47] eviljames: today is they day you're going to tell us what you think about the new firewire stack :P [14:47] godmode: While this is true, it only has effect on a) build time, and b) amount of space consumed on the drive. [14:47] eviljames: I'm not 100% slackware has all userspce dependendent parts already for the new stack [14:47] tab-fail =) [14:47] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:47] "100% sure" that is [14:47] read the description associated with the option? [14:47] pprkut: ahh, for my purposes I think it'll be ok. It's just a sbp2 drive. [14:48] i really wished vista and 7 were never born [14:48] and they just fixed xp [14:48] http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/ms09-048.mspx [14:49] goarilla: Vista and 7 ARE a fix to XP [14:49] Both are a lot better than XP [14:49] specifically read the first two FAQs [14:49] on the security front yes [14:49] goarilla: XP was broken on fundamental levels. I side with straterra here... [14:49] but that's about it [14:49] Uh..no [14:49] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-25-161.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:49] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [14:49] why react to boar eh... goarilla? [14:49] Almost everything is improved [14:50] straterra is a dirty windows lover, dont listen to him [14:50] The scheduler is much improved, the memory management is tons better [14:50] An actual usable ipv6 stack [14:50] and that could not be fixed in xp ? [14:50] Yeah, with a massive kernel overhaul and breaking everything [14:50] basically MSFt's response was they won't patch win2k or winxp because it is too much work. [14:50] if you change everything in an OS, you don't call it a fix or a new minor version [14:50] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:51] hi; would someone dig 73.17.41.1 for me and tell me what town? [14:51] a new scheduler was needed in xp [14:51] And it got one..in Vista [14:51] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:51] yeah [14:51] That's the point of newer versions [14:51] but still .. it doesn't feel like it does at times [14:52] Then get hardware meant to run it [14:52] :D [14:52] i still feel it's very sluggish on dual core notebooks [14:52] even without the OEM cap [14:52] crap [14:53] Vista and 7 both ran/run perfect on my netbook with a n280 [14:53] Mmmm... this is the slackware channel... right? [14:53] Action: jg71 can feel it coming ... in the air tonite [14:53] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:53] MarderIII: nope -_- [14:53] no it's the phil collins fan club, MarderIII [14:53] it'e [14:53] :-) [14:53] that's very weird straterra [14:53] it's #migrating-from-slackware-to-windows [14:54] Really? Cause every machine I've ran either OS on..it ran fine [14:54] is the n280 dual core ? [14:54] well, at least the 3.6.2 sources seem to compile on slack13-64 ... so far [14:54] never noticed slow downs ? [14:54] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:54] goarilla: fwiw, I can agree with straterra's experience. My c2d laptop w/ 2gb of ram ran Vista very well. It triple boots slackware64-current, opensolaris, and vista at present. [14:54] or you are just patient [14:54] the n280 isnt dual core [14:54] I'm not patient at all [14:54] ok that's even more astounding [14:54] BUT. This sounds like the kind of debate that might belong in ##slackware-offtopic [14:54] I run win2k8 server r2 in a virtual machine [14:55] it's not memory starved then [14:55] but every os cripples under that cond anyway [14:55] the only difference is that after the 10-days eval period ran over, it decided to just suck [14:55] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:55] So, nobody else has experience here with the new Firewire stack? [14:55] it's slow at *any* kind of I/O: disk or network, it decided to almost commit suicide [14:55] no but even on modern machines [14:55] If so, it's time for me to break new ground! Be a pioneer! Lead the pack! [14:55] eviljames: no firewire device here [14:55] it just feels slow to me [14:55] maybe it's because of all the eye candy [14:55] eviljames: but it's not *that* new actually [14:56] that take that much ms from me to animate [14:56] Camarade_Tux: hush you! If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you. [14:56] Camarade_Tux: btw, you love Intel. [14:56] -j128... [14:56] quick question. bootup logo... i forgot what the 16-color linux logo looked like? [14:56] the animation has to play and i cannot do my stuff my keyb shortcuts [14:56] eviljames: hmmmmmmm [14:56] Action: Camarade_Tux hugs eviljames [14:57] a ... [14:57] penguin [14:57] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [14:57] 224x224 16 bit color in some weird old format [14:57] eviljames: also, I was merely saying you couldn't use binaries compiled with icc to benchmarks CPUs [14:58] yeah idd that's just evil [14:58] but even with gcc a lot of devs from intel are part of the gcc team as weel [14:58] no, that's not the point [14:58] godmode: awfull [14:58] it's more fair but not as fair as you might think [14:58] icc is *clearly* biaised [14:58] offcourse it is [14:59] but gcc is also [14:59] it enables or disables optimizations according to the *name* of the cpu, not on capabilities [14:59] aaah [14:59] ok that's just fraud imho [14:59] if it doesn't read 'intel', it won't enable some opts, if it reads 'amd', it will enable some, if it reads 'via', it'll enable some [14:59] which produces better code? [15:00] icc is faster on intel cpu's [15:00] http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/08/08/01/1152237.shtml [15:00] gcc is ok [15:00] l0d (l0d@200.144.115.82) left ##slackware. [15:00] or al least that was the consensus 5 years ago [15:00] mancha: icc produces several code paths and makes the binary use one or the other depending on the cpu brand [15:01] so bigger object code? [15:01] gcc is actually almost on par with icc, sometimes better [15:02] acidtripper (~gonza@190.193.21.179) joined ##slackware. [15:03] that statement alone does that mean 6 out of 10 the icc is significant better but gcc does better than all the mostley obsolete rest but 4 out of 10 it does sligthly better [15:03] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [15:04] 1- I only have old data [15:04] 2- it's benchmarks, can't conclude [15:04] it's like the i7 vs the phenom II [15:04] mine's better [15:04] woops, sorry [15:04] just admit that phenom sucks but ... [15:04] i'll buy them anyway [15:04] goarilla: but you fail [15:05] phenom don't suck, benchmarks are made with icc binaries [15:05] you CANNOT conclude [15:05] i hate the 4 point mounting heating stuff that intel gives us [15:05] thrice`: are you there? [15:05] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:05] someone using intel kms? [15:05] you can say whatever you want Camarade_Tux [15:05] goarilla: I thought you were only bashing phenom cpus ;-) [15:05] but even non biased benches will confirm it [15:05] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.60) joined ##slackware. [15:06] but i love AMD [15:06] I have a phenom II x4 955 ;-) [15:06] i'll keep buying them because their mounting stuff is easy [15:06] intel breaks regularly [15:06] goarilla: maybe but the perf difference in the benchmarks is higher than reality [15:06] and the most stable thing i had was an amd [15:06] 146 days of uptime on a desktop [15:07] it prob is Camarade_Tux [15:07] but here at my work [15:07] we do use intel fortran compilers [15:07] so ... [15:07] and my CPU is *really* cool (27°C right now, it's maybe 8°C over ambiant, or less) but everything on the internet says phenom cpus eat a lot of power [15:07] where would it be going then? [15:07] and amd energy saving is not that good as intel's this day [15:07] i don't know if compilling i915 as module or built in [15:08] will icc understand gcc flags? i.e. is it a clean drop0in replacement? [15:08] all the energy used leaves as heat, if there is almost no heat, there is almost no energy used [15:08] hehehe [15:08] and I have almost no heat here, so, what's the deal? [15:08] the old i do not need heaters i have my pc arg [15:08] (I'm getting something to check the power usage soon) [15:08] mancha: definitely not [15:08] at load the intels win iirc [15:08] mancha: icc flags are completely different [15:08] there is the dna kernel project [15:09] that compiles your kernel with icc [15:09] so every package's damn makefile would need editiing? [15:09] it's heavily patched tho but they do see a lot of speed improvs [15:09] I think you need to read something [15:09] even claiming +200 % improv at some workloads [15:10] if I ever manage to find it again [15:10] i think i've been brainwashed by my ex stupid former boss [15:11] it's correct to create a file on /etc/modprobe.d/intel.conf [15:11] intel all the way he said now we have 20 useless RIM DRAMM stations :( [15:11] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: pz [15:11] cmk_zzz (~martink@122.58.182.213) joined ##slackware. [15:11] cmk_zzz (~martink@122.58.182.213) left irc: Client Quit [15:12] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:12] I'm not finding the link anymore but basically, it was an article about a compiler infecting binaries [15:12] it's *definitely* doable [15:12] i really never configured intel framebuffer [15:12] so, there are more concerns than raw speed when using icc (and as I said, perf improvements aren't guaranteed) [15:13] i upgraded to latest intel drivers (2.10) and trying to make it look as framebuffer [15:13] maybe this: http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html [15:13] yeah ;-) [15:13] hehehehe [15:14] not only this one but one of the papers I was looking for, thanks =) [15:14] well, bbl =) [15:14] goarilla: if i'd be not running a vservers patched kernel i'd try this DNA linux [15:14] everyone has read that [15:15] yeah it does break stuff and you will have to build your modules with it as well [15:15] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [15:16] but their benchmark.pdf is so damn ugly..... almost makes my eyes bleeding [15:18] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:19] i'll keep my kernel as is, still having fun with chromium :D [15:19] thrice`: it works [15:19] it being fglrx [15:20] valsiterb (~valsiterb@130.207.broadband7.iol.cz) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:21] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:21] so... [15:22] why would compositing not be working... [15:23] KDE? [15:23] thrice`: ? [15:24] acidtripper, sorry to be so slow in responding. how rude of me to put my work before you. [15:24] please, ask away [15:24] lol [15:24] i have i915 set as module and modesetting can be only set as built in [15:24] adamk: yes [15:25] I think my advise was "don't set i915 as a module" [15:25] NaCl: I've had problems getting KDE to let me enable compositing on newer versions of fglrx despite the fact that compiz-fusion works just fine. [15:25] i removed grub lines, but i don't have framebuffer [15:25] let me check again maybe i misread [15:25] glxgears is giving me 8000 FPS [15:25] adamk: ah-ha [15:25] NaCl: What is the output of 'glxinfo | grep -i render'? [15:25] acidtripper, <*> Intel 830M, 845G, 852GM, 855GM, 865G (i915 driver) [15:26] acidtripper, [*] Enable modesetting on intel by default" [15:26] adamk: direct rendering: Yes [15:26] there were two other lines that were irrelevant [15:26] The renderer string is not irrelevent. [15:26] i915 CAN'T BE SET AS built in on 2.6.33 [15:26] glxgears is not a proper benchmark of anything [15:26] You can get Direct rendering with the software rasterizer. [15:26] couse is separate from 865, etc. [15:27] adamk: very well [15:27] direct rendering: Yes [15:27] OpenGL renderer string: ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series GL_NV_conditional_render, GL_NV_copy_depth_to_color, [15:27] the GL_NV stuff is on another line [15:27] acidtripper, huh? i915 covers 965 [15:27] But here KDE4 gives me "Compositing is not supported on your system" despite the fact that it really is and compiz works fine. [15:27] Stupid KDE4. [15:27] Here, it says it's active. [15:27] When it's not [15:27] Well then you definitely have the drivers installed and working properly. [15:27] Hah. [15:27] yes, i have 965 but i915 can't be set as built in [15:27] Stupid KDE :-) [15:27] yeah. [15:27] I am tempted to mess with compiz [15:27] heheh mine has been doing that since I went and did a variety of updates for -current [15:28] it wasn't doing this until I did the Mega-Upgrade [15:28] acidtripper, I don't see why not, though. it just won't let you? [15:28] yes [15:28] dont let me [15:28] the only option i have is module [15:28] when i press backspace [15:28] what was upgraded? [15:29] pressing the space bar doesn't toggle it from "M" to "*" ? [15:29] was mesa and/or xorg upgraded? [15:29] yes [15:29] thrice`: No [15:29] both [15:29] there are file conflicts likely with your prop driver [15:29] as in collisions [15:29] and how would I determine that? [15:29] acidtripper, sorry, that is the problem, but I am not sure why. perhaps you are missing some other support under graphics? [15:30] His drivers are fine. [15:30] reading is hard [15:30] thrice`: lol i have setted direct rendering as module that's why :P [15:30] ok, change both to * :) [15:30] mm but same problem continue after changing [15:31] mancha: so I am having file collisions? [15:31] I really don't think there's any file collisions going on. [15:31] solved [15:31] Camarade_Tux: I'm still building kernel + modules :( [15:32] But if you want to double check, pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file. [15:32] Camarade_Tux: even with -j 8 hahahah [15:32] NaCl, adamk says no, and he probably knows more about this than me, i was merely guessing [15:32] eviljames: =) [15:32] acidtripper, after you build the kernels with DRM and 915 as * (and choose "set KMS by default too), remove the video or vga lines in your grub, and try to boot :> [15:32] eviljames: which cpu? [15:32] It can't hurt to double check, but glxinfo is pretty clear. [15:32] ok, there is building kernel [15:32] Camarade_Tux: this one is an E5200 :P [15:33] eviljames: I did some tests and got the same timings with -j{4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,16,32,128} [15:33] eviljames: not dual-core, right? [15:33] adamk: is that atieventsd thing important? [15:33] Camarade_Tux: Yep, dual core. [15:33] NaCl: I've never had to mess with it before. [15:33] Camarade_Tux: It's a cheapo c2 though, no VT [15:33] I meant "not quad-core but dual-core, right" ^^ [15:33] mine to is no VT :S [15:34] and it sucks :P [15:34] h4ngedm4n (~flatline@pool-71-104-6-87.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:34] too* [15:34] one reason I went for amd was that my laptop's cpu has no VT [15:34] adamk: only warning I haven't seen before is "(WW) Falling back to old probe method for fglrx" [15:34] it's more common that you imagine... [15:34] Immundus (~obi@g225060245.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:34] anyway, eviljames, -j8 is useless for you :P [15:35] Camarade_Tux: I'll go back to my old method of just using -j :P [15:35] is there a way to re-install the fglrx package or whatev so it re-writes all its files? [15:36] other than running the installer again? [15:36] eviljames: xD [15:36] eviljames: hyperthreading? [15:36] NaCl: Yeah, I'm pretty sure your drivers are completely fine. I suspect this really is KDE stupidness. [15:36] bbiab [15:36] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:36] NaCl: Is this that evergreen card? [15:37] bbl [15:37] eviljames: da [15:38] God I feel like I'm on dial-up! [15:38] Alan_Hicks: *are* you on dial-up? [15:39] Hell no, but my ping times are 100ms + [15:39] 1200ms [15:39] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [15:39] Some one's raping my net connection. [15:40] oh noes [15:40] how's the new(er) slackbook coming? [15:40] Fairly well actually. [15:40] Alan_Hicks: welcome to our China plant [15:41] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:41] offtopic: how come old or younger-than-blue-ray movies appeared now in this format? isn't blue-ray only for HD? if a movie wasn't shot in HD how can you make it HD (or better that dvd version)? [15:42] s/younger/older [15:42] In what format? Blueray? [15:42] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [15:42] yes [15:42] The term blueray doesn't force certain video quality [15:42] acidtripper (~gonza@190.193.21.179) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:42] then it's a waste of 25 gb [15:43] Not really [15:43] It could be a really, really long video [15:43] or video quality better than that of dvd [15:44] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-59-57.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:44] so blueray *is* better quality than dvd. [15:45] ughhhhhhhhhhhh why does my father in law keep calling me [15:45] maybe hes drunk [15:46] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Quit: Elektro [15:46] diven (~diven@cpe-72-183-235-27.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:46] or maybe he took the blue pill... [15:46] we wants some of his son't tang stockpile [15:46] haaa [15:46] son's [15:48] Azeotrope: Blu-Ray can also offer a ton of other content.. outtakes, extra footage, extended versions, many many many audio tracks (commentary etc)... [15:49] Azeotrope: In terms of video performance though, bluray is often just a waste :P [15:50] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [15:51] does pny make decent video cards? [15:51] not looking for top of the line but i did buy one [15:51] nix_chix0r: they are decent. Primarily a European brand but I see them more often fore sale in north america [15:52] ah ok. got a 210 series for 70bucks at badbuy [15:52] of late [15:52] just needed something to play movies on my media pc [15:52] guys, is anyone familiar with cisco's command line? [15:53] ios> [15:53] :) [15:53] pny is a bottom tier manufacturer, their stuff should work but don't expect any warranty support [15:53] NyteOwl, ... [15:54] Skywise, if it lasts a year awesome [15:54] router(config)#show ? nachox... [15:54] wasn't expecting superior quality, but didn't want to spend over a 100 [15:54] yeah, the fan will be what fails [15:54] and it will fail quietly then your board will melt itself [15:54] mobo?o0 [15:54] but it will take a couple of years to do that [15:55] no the video card fan [15:55] now is that an opinion? or has that happend to many people [15:55] an/your [15:55] i've had a couple [15:56] godmode, give me a sec [15:56] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-183-252.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [15:56] replace the fan with something of quality, and you should have a happy lifetime [15:56] alright=) [15:56] was suprised that my video card fried after a power outage. considering i had a really decent surge protector. i am glad my video card went and not the motherboard ect.. [15:57] its hard to say what gonna take the hit all the time [15:57] Surge protectors won't get 100% of them [15:57] Even with the nice ones, theres only a chance of it actually doing its job [15:57] crazy [15:57] you need an sps to be sure [15:58] next thing you know i'll have to have battery back up on everything. [15:58] it generates ac power from dc batterys being recharged by wall power [15:58] nix_chix0r: you mean you don't? [15:58] :) [15:58] NyteOwl, not since 98 [15:58] and back then they were massive and lasted for a few minutes [15:58] so it doesn't fluctuate at all [15:58] Action: NyteOwl loves his UPSes [15:58] like a ups which kicks in after power drops [15:59] but an sps means the rectifier is always going and it puts out alot of heat [15:59] they're not every effcient [15:59] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving... 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[16:01] lol [16:01] Camarade_Tux: OUCH 90 minutes :/ [16:02] tell dad to get with the times [16:02] nix_chix0r: which is why server cases have locked doors :p [16:02] NyteOwl, heeehe [16:02] i need to get with the times it seems [16:02] brbrbr (~basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:03] but i bet he didn't shut any down gracefully and just turned them off [16:03] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:03] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:04] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [16:05] Action: godmode out for smoke break. [16:05] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-146-20.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:07] teckan (~teckan@bl6-122-33.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:07] crap [16:09] i have got slackware 13 and my window manager is xmonad. i am trying to set the file type associations of xdg-open because i want chromium to open pdfs with evince (after downloading em). [16:09] Skywise, yeah he didn't know how to shut down with out a GUI =\ [16:09] shoulda asked [16:10] does anyone know about a good tutorial on it? the man pages of xdg-open and xdg-mime were not a big help for me :\ [16:10] no more unsupervised use for him [16:10] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [16:10] rbellamy (~rbellamy@adsl-69-105-233-172.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:11] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:12] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host81-153-238-58.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:14] Gulug (~old-times@master.gulug.com.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:14] Gulug (old-times@master.gulug.com.br) joined ##slackware. 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[16:18] is there anyway to configure what app opens each file type in google-chromium/chrome? it tends to point to xdg-open, which seems to be completely crap when you are not using a major window manager like gnome or kde (i am using xmonad @ slackware64 13.0) [16:22] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:23] psst hey bro, dishes need to be done k thx [16:23] my old one did dishes [16:23] wow [16:24] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:24] Action: Skywise dcc's the dishes to the dishwasher [16:24] shes just saying that don't believe a word [16:24] ;) [16:24] pah [16:25] i don't have anything else in my menu [16:26] Action: nix_chix0r reversesthe fan to her computer to share the smell of a lovely pork roast to ##slackware [16:26] yum [16:29] wow new grep version. been a while.hopefully that will fix the issues with utf-8 [16:32] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@a85-139-11-123.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Quit: I'll Be Back [16:32] sahk0: according to the release notes, yes [16:33] sahk0: the bug has been closed as well [16:33] wonderful news:) [16:35] Saeljfkklhen (~Sael@pool-71-173-140-144.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] eviljames: OUCH! [16:36] Camarade_Tux: That's with every single module enabled. [16:37] Camarade_Tux: and many of the random stuff (drive controllers) enabled as [16:37] 'make yesconfig' or something like that? [16:38] chipster: good afternoon (was a busy day, as you can see) :) [16:38] pprkut / sahk0: send me a link to the new grep and I'll see about pushing it into -current [16:38] and now, afk for a few more hours [16:38] rworkman: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grep/2010-03/msg00393.html [16:39] .xz available too [16:39] Action: jkwood greps rworkman [16:40] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:41] godel (~godel@190.22.12.171) joined ##slackware. [16:44] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [16:45] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [16:47] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:48] godel__ (~godel@190.22.12.171) joined ##slackware. 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[18:21] is there another x front end that comes with slack that i can use to make a data disk? [18:21] hackeron (~hackeron@gentoo/user/hackeron) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:21] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-183-252.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [18:22] i have lighttpd with fcgi as well, with varnish front end. nice and perky [18:22] mm, not with slack; you could install one, though [18:22] Tusk: notice a difference in your php-cgi scripts running/completing faster/better? [18:23] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.13.101) joined ##slackware. [18:23] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:27] Tusk: i understand it's supposed to be "fastcgi" but did you do any tests or anything? had a php-cgi scrip that was slow and then with fastcgi it completes faster? 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[19:05] Skaperen: check /etc/cups/printers.conf [19:06] found it ... it messes with the config file ... just swapped out the file with a backup copy ... cups is running again [19:06] I could not find a command to tell cups to put the printer into enabled state [19:06] uhmm, why bother replacing files, when you can just go to the interface and re-enable that printer? [19:06] godmode (godmode@cpe-72-129-64-131.socal.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("I am good, but there is always someone better"). [19:06] what's the command? [19:06] I tried all the lp* commands [19:07] http://localhost:631 [19:07] that never worked [19:07] it surely works [19:07] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [19:07] most things have a command in one of the lp commands [19:08] it doesn't work well enough ... no GUI on the server ... it sucks in non-GUI browsers [19:08] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:08] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:08] so I always have used lp commands [19:08] so tunnel the traffic [19:08] from where? [19:08] or simply have cups accept your ipp requests [19:08] ipp? [19:08] from wherever you're coming from to that server [19:09] the server console [19:09] botnet (1000@c-24-19-76-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:09] yes, ipp. that's the protocol used by cups [19:09] how do I send ipp to it? [19:09] ipp is simply an extension to http [19:09] so http://yourserver:631 [19:10] oh, ok, so it's doing the printing on the same port [19:10] yes [19:10] the lp commands apparently use it because when the daemon is down, they don't work [19:11] but why not lp command for something so basic as restarting a printer? [19:11] i didn't say there wasn't a command for it [19:11] and why did cups decide to keep it down? ... just because the printer can't be reached for a while is not a reason to change the administrative mode [19:12] because that's the default behavior. 'ErrorPolicy' [19:12] do you know what the lp* command is to set a printer into "stay up" state (and when the actual printer is unreachable, always keep trying) [19:12] it would _really_ benefit you to configure that from cups admin interface. you'd see what's available [19:12] how can I change that behavior? [19:13] visit the admin interface on port 631. go under options for said printer [19:13] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:13] I'm on text right now [19:14] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:14] welcome to 2010, GUI web browsers have been around for some time now :) [19:14] pupiteee (~p@93.87.118.195) joined ##slackware. [19:14] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [19:14] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:14] ananke: right, but I'm on a server [19:15] (should look fine in links) [19:15] all it has are text browsers and cups doesn't set the colors right [19:15] Skaperen: you're directly on the console? [19:15] yes [19:16] I can ssh in to other machines [19:16] how about ssh'ing to it from your workstation :) [19:16] I'll have to go back there [19:17] I should have brought my netbook [19:17] why would you be on the console of said server, when you can be doing it from the comfort of your own workspace? :) [19:18] one word: blinkenlights [19:19] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [19:19] Hey g uys. I'm trying to create an e-zine for a side project. [19:19] Any program good for that? [19:19] pupiteee (~p@93.87.118.195) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:19] yep. nothing like standing next to blinkenlights and posing to the people doing guided tours outside the glass panels [19:20] lol [19:21] grazymax (~grazymax@host12-36-dynamic.247-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [19:21] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:21] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.239) joined ##slackware. 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[19:27] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:27] ananke: I went to the computer room to get the printout so I wasn't expecting to need my netbook [19:28] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] ananke: next time I'll check the print queue [19:28] hi, i'm having a dvd burn issue. i'm using slackware 13.0 64 + multilib. i'ved used k3b and xcdrost. i can't burn one (a single) file onto a blank dvd-r. either app i use hangs at 99% done. where do i start trouble shooting this? [19:30] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-146-20.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:30] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [19:31] botnet (~void@75-92-207-253.war.clearwire-wmx.net) joined ##slackware. [19:31] ok [19:32] is there a fixed firefox-3.6.2 for slackware-current? [19:32] bitlord, do you see one in the changelog? [19:32] veritos, no? [19:32] There you go. [19:32] blkdg: Slackware 13.0 includes an older version of k3b in extra/kde3-compat that can be installed alongside with kde4 [19:33] i guess you have to install all those packages though [19:33] bitlord: make a slack package [19:33] pupiteee (~p@93.87.118.195) joined ##slackware. [19:33] bitlord: it's just a wrapper for their binary [19:33] Skaperen, using slackbuid scripts? [19:34] teckan (~teckan@bl6-122-33.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:34] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:34] bitlord: well since you are running -current .. that shouldn't be too difficult to answer :P [19:35] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:35] Ok I will try. thanks [19:35] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) joined ##slackware. [19:36] what else I need, xulrunner ? or ? [19:37] Skaperen, it's not just a wrapper on 64-bit. 64-bit Firefox is compiled by Pat; only 32-bit is the binary from Mozilla. [19:37] sahk0, i just built xcdroast from slackbuilds, and i'm getting the same issue. [19:37] grazymax (~grazymax@host150-156-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:37] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:38] for instance, elapsed time on a burn is like 12 minutes, and time remaining is 0..... [19:38] pupiteee (~p@93.87.118.195) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:38] blkdg: dont know havent had any issues even with the k3b in 13.0 but ive only used it once [19:38] optical media is so 1999 [19:39] lol [19:41] Immundus (~obi@g225060245.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: when in trouble when in doubt run in circles scream and shout [19:41] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-209-123.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:44] epaphus (~name@190.10.68.228) joined ##slackware. [19:44] hey guys.. how can I print the amount of lines that a file has? [19:46] wc -l [19:46] troy (~quassel@jefferai.org) joined ##slackware. [19:46] Hey guys - does anyone have fglrx working with -current (64)? [19:46] psYcker (~psYcker@201.156.108.196) joined ##slackware. [19:47] I have no done it myself (still on 13.0) but I spoke with someone today who got it working. [19:47] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:47] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.143.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:47] adamk: I get a panic when I try to run their installer [19:48] it fails to build the kernel module anyway [19:48] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [19:48] As I recall, there is no released version that supports X server 1.7. [19:48] har (~AndChat@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:48] veritos (veritos@207.155.204.151.ptr.us.xo.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:48] You need to use a prerelease of 10.4: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22649 [19:48] Which doesn't have an installer. [19:49] And may still require patching for the kernel module. [19:49] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.10.72) joined ##slackware. [19:49] ah [19:49] that would explain things :) [19:49] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Read error: No route to host [19:50] ebros (~ebros@adsl-99-160-180-57.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:51] pupiteee (~p@93.87.118.195) joined ##slackware. [19:53] thanks anyhow folks [19:53] blkdg (~blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:56] Action: oxiredo_ro good night all [19:56] rwerken (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:56] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-30-50.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[20:34] Nick change: raelakoira -> raela [20:35] Stx (stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: Ping timeout: 608 seconds [20:35] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:39] do i need to rebuild nvidia-driver after a new kernel ? [20:39] yes [20:39] or just nvidia-kernel ? [20:40] 's/just/only' [20:40] I do them both [20:40] ok thx [20:40] np [20:41] dive, do i have to set the $BUILD to a higher number ? [20:41] $BUILD of slackbuild i mean [20:41] o0 [20:41] 0o [20:41] :) [20:41] ok [20:42] blkdg (~blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:43] hi, if you kill -9 a pid, and it's still there, how do you end it? [20:44] blkdg, kill -9 pid does not work for you ? ... do you have the good rights ? [20:46] i'm su'd [20:46] thrice`: that slackbuild works like a charm - thanks :) [20:46] the kernel patch aint necessary if your running a desktop and behind a router do you think? [20:46] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) left irc: Quit: Support freenode - http://bit.ly/3NtvfD [20:46] and the owner of the process is my user name [20:46] blkdg: check what state the process is in. it's under the STAT column in ps [20:47] the ones that i'm having problems with are D or S [20:47] wait [20:47] D or Z [20:49] blkdg: D means it's in the blocking state. the process cannot continue, nor be killed, until the kernel can get to the i/o that process is waiting for [20:50] second question of the day - does anyone have a working wacom tablet with current? the SBo build fails for me [20:50] long story short, either your storage is taking its sweet time to respond, or it quit responding for good. [20:50] ok, so each time i use kb3 or xcdrecod it triggers that . [20:50] so then i loose control of my cdrom [20:50] jonsmith1982, which kernel patch? [20:50] and have to reboot to pull out the coaster I just made. [20:50] ERRR. [20:50] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [20:50] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:51] dive december 02 slack 13. [20:51] a kernel bug where oversized IP packets cause a NULL pointer dereference [20:51] and immediate hang. [20:51] right, well maybe if you trust your router/firewall [20:53] but IP packets don't usually get blocked on size afaik [20:53] I would apply the patch [20:54] pipes (~pipes@jaki.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:58] sounds like too much effort, think i'll risk it. [20:58] if my slack 13 has k3b, and then i grab a copy of it from /extras/kde3-compat/ and install it, what would it be called ? k3b as well? [20:59] Action: jonsmith1982 bets slack 13++ is out before this comes back to haunt him. [20:59] blkdg: yes but it installs in /opt/kde3/bin [21:01] thanks sahk0 [21:01] when i run it here's my error ./k3b: error while loading shared libraries: libdvdread.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [21:02] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:02] guess what you need [21:02] i installed k3b3-1.0.5-i486-opt1.txz and kdelibs3-3.5.10-i486-opt1.txz [21:05] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:06] phrag, nice, so i got libdvdread from slackbuilds, and when i run the script as is: [21:06] brainvision (~brainvisi@95.238.47.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:07] pupiteee (~p@93.86.159.20) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:07] checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables See `config.log' for more details. [21:08] and i don't know where the config.log is. [21:08] it's not in the dir with the slackbuild and the libdvd source. [21:08] ? [21:09] i'm trying to install nvidia-kernel, but i got errors during the build , here is the tail of /vaR/log/nvidia-installer.log http://dpaste.com/175380/ [21:09] ls -ld /lib/modules/`uname -r`/{build,source} [21:09] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2010-03-20 01:58 /lib/modules/2.6.33.1/build -> /usr/src/linux-2.6.33.1/ [21:09] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2010-03-20 01:58 /lib/modules/2.6.33.1/source -> /usr/src/linux-2.6.33.1/ [21:09] AlexElliott (~alex@client-82-26-160-121.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:10] i don't know why the NVIDIA installer fails [21:11] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:11] pipes (~pipes@jaki.org) joined ##slackware. [21:11] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:12] epaphus (~name@201.199.62.74) joined ##slackware. [21:13] rvs1st (~rvs1st@unaffilaited/rvs1st) joined ##slackware. [21:14] jonsmith1982 (~jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:14] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.39.8) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:14] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-56-126.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [21:14] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.39.8) joined ##slackware. [21:15] blkdg: and wtf dont you install libdvdread from Slackware? [21:15] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.239) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:17] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.60) left irc: Quit: velusip [21:17] newslacker (~kc@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:17] wait up, my stupid move, i'm trying to insatll libdvdread from slackbuild, and it's for slack 11.0 sorry, let's just edit that out... [21:18] libdvdread is part of Slackware 13.0 [21:19] AlexElliott (~alex@client-86-31-187-98.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [21:19] sahk0, when phrag said guess what you need i figured he ment libdvdread.so.4 so i went to slackbuilds and tried to find one with a google search at slackbuilds which brought up libdvdread from slack 11 and i tried to install it. [21:19] sorry about the confusion [21:21] brainvision (~brainvisi@host225-40-dynamic.33-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [21:22] hm basename returns filename, and for return just dir? [21:22] sahk0, yes, libdvdread is on my machine as part of the 13.0 install [21:25] powtrix: dirname [21:26] powtrix: if they'd given that an intuitive name... ;-) [21:26] eh forgot .. thanks ;) [21:27] all your base are belong to us [21:27] hehe :D [21:27] i am debating buying another printer instead of buying ink [21:27] biker (~c9aa4d2b@gateway/web/freenode/x-wpkgezkelcpighvi) joined ##slackware. [21:28] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [21:28] get a used hp laserjet. cheaper than a cartridge of ink [21:28] i was at the store and it is about 50 USD for printer ink(black and color) for my printer, but i could get a new printer(with ink) that also has a scanner for the same pricer [21:28] ananke: i think that a new printer may be cheaper also. [21:28] :P [21:28] the only problem is, what do i do when the second printer runs out of ink? buy a third? where shall I store my printers [21:28] n0v4 (~n0v4@59.93.194.106) joined ##slackware. [21:29] zaltekk: ebay. [21:29] biker (~c9aa4d2b@gateway/web/freenode/x-wpkgezkelcpighvi) left irc: Client Quit [21:29] zaltekk: first, new printers don't come with full tanks. second, do you really like to spend that much money? [21:29] echelon: hmm. "lightly used printer, out of ink" [21:29] ananke: well, considering there are printers for sale cheaper than ink for my current printer, i am choosing the more economical option. [21:29] n0v4 (~n0v4@59.93.194.106) left irc: Client Quit [21:29] ananke, now its done: find . -iname '*.sfv' | while IFS= read f; do echo cfv -p $(dirname $f) -t sfv -f $(basename $f); done [21:30] what about those kodak printers, the cartridges are supposed to be cheap [21:30] remove echo of course [21:30] echelon: i don't know. i have an epson printer [21:30] zaltekk: Again, the printer comes with a lower-capacity ink cartridge than the replacements you can buy. [21:30] zaltekk: it's only economical for a short period of time. [21:30] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-56-126.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] jkwood: hmm, that may be true. it is quite annoying, though. [21:30] brother has laser printers for 100 dollars [21:31] toner [21:31] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] zaltekk: it's a typical razor/blade strategy [21:32] Lufbery_jaa (~Drew@pool-72-70-137-125.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:33] ananke: maybe i should be looking for a more efficient printer. it'd also be nice to have a much smaller one with a built-in scanner. maybe i should do some research. [21:34] zaltekk: when it comes to printing, ink is ungodly expensive. there is very little you can do in terms of efficiency: you still have to lay it down on paper [21:35] you can save a lot with the refill kits [21:35] figure out how much you print, what you need to print, and how much you've spent on both printer AND supplies for it in the last couple of years [21:35] based on that you can make a more educated decision [21:35] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:36] ananke: actually, i tend to run to campus to print. mainly because i haven't wanted to buy ink. but they limit our printing options. they force us to print on the front and back of paper, and then the teachers complain about it not looking nice... [21:36] it would be a huge time-saver to have a printer/scanner combo on my desk at home though. [21:36] tell the teachers to stuff it and get with the program: be green [21:37] to install k3b from slackware/extra/kde3-compat/ do i need anything besides k3b3-1.0.5-i486-opt1.txz AND kdelibs3-3.5.10-i486-opt1.txt ??? [21:37] no doubt [21:37] of course. anyway, do you not think that some printers waste more ink than others? [21:37] zaltekk: honestly? not by any significant margin [21:37] my HP has cartriges that are easy to refill, and refill ink is really cheap on ebay [21:38] brokedown: is the quality the same? i've never refilled ink cartidges. i actually think there is a local store that does refills. [21:38] zaltekk: the quality for black is the same, I haven't refilled color, but I don't print color [21:39] troy (quassel@jefferai.org) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [21:39] dchmelik (~d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [21:40] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.239) joined ##slackware. [21:43] if you don't need color, investing in a cheap laserjet is definitely a good option. much faster than inkjet [for those last minute papers], quality is usually better, and cheaper in the long run [21:43] ananke: then maybe the way to go would be to get a laserjet with a scanner. i can't remember the last time i printed something other than text [21:44] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-18-177.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:45] i still use that $2 LED based canon scanner i got from a thrift store. works like a charm :) [very light, thin, usb powered] [21:46] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-27-178.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:46] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [21:46] ++ on the LJ suggestion. I bought this one over two years ago and have never replaced the toner [21:46] +++! [21:47] I get them 10000+ page toners [21:47] zaltekk, umm, just 2cents, but samsung makes a line of 'ml' laser jets that are linux friendly. the drivers come with the printer, and cups supports them as well. [21:47] men, debian is so dificult at first steps.... [21:47] alienBOB: ping [21:47] last years for my uses [21:48] at work i still have stashed a toner cartridge for my hp lj 2200. it's been at least three years, still haven't had to open it [21:48] alienBOB: problems with plasma workspace solved. kdebase-workspace package corrupted in download [21:49] LORD (~pdpascal@189.83.34.118) joined ##slackware. [21:49] high capacity color toners here, heck, the replacements came with a shipping label to return the old suckers... although they probably got sent to a landfill in Singapore [21:49] thanks anyhow folks [21:49] blkdg (~blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:50] powtrix- (~powtrix@189-69-20-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:50] AbsTradELic: that was an easy fix :) [21:51] LORD (~pdpascal@189.83.34.118) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:52] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-177.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:52] Nick change: powtrix- -> powtrix [21:52] hmm, it looks like epson only makes ink jet printers [21:53] LORD (~pdpascal@189.83.34.118) joined ##slackware. [21:54] har (~AndChat@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Bye [21:56] ae alguem sabe um tuto legal pra eu ler antes de instalar o slackware [21:58] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.51.87) joined ##slackware. [21:58] trhodes: X;) [21:58] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:58] LORD (~pdpascal@189.83.34.118) left irc: [21:58] http://www.eff.org/issues/printers <-- "Is Your Pinter Spying On You?" is interesting [21:59] yes, that was cool that they decoded what they found [21:59] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [22:00] trhodes: well... nouveau driver disabled from kernel and nvidia proprietary driver working [22:04] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-18-151.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:04] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:05] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:05] LORD (~pdpascal@189.83.34.118) joined ##slackware. [22:06] LORD (pdpascal@189.83.34.118) left ##slackware. [22:07] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:07] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [22:08] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [22:08] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-61-213.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:09] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:12] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-154-190.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:13] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-232.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-181-253.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] Heya,folks [22:15] hi [22:15] hi [22:16] heya,tsccof [22:16] has anyone here used a Samsung ML-2525W Printer before? ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828112184 ) [22:16] heya,Cann0n [22:16] MLanden: how are you? [22:16] my cat uses my hp printer as bed [22:17] doin' great thanks tsccof...yourself? [22:17] MLanden: greetings! [22:17] Urugami (~Urugami@adsl-6-72-87.msy.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] MLanden: fine, thanks :) [22:18] Cann0n, how's it going? [22:18] good. got all my *nix issues solved. still waiting for a chroot configurating to magically appear on my system lol [22:18] you? [22:19] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:19] just relaxin'...sortin' through some wallpapers [22:22] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [22:24] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-61-213.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:24] zaltekk, any problems with that Samsung? [22:25] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-232.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:25] Agiofws_ (~Agiofws@athedsl-433152.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:26] MLanden: i was considering buying it. so that was what I was asking, actually :) [22:26] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [22:26] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [22:27] lol,powtrix....has this happened yet? http://llamabutchers.mu.nu/catass.jpg [22:28] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [22:29] not yet.. but http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8476/dsc02833x.jpg [22:29] zaltekk, not familiar with Samsung's printer but openprinting might have some information that could help on deciding http://www.openprinting.org/printers/manufacturer/Samsung/ [22:31] powtrix, lol....just get that cat some playing cards and a bowler hat..:P...don't forget the cheap sunglasses..:D [22:31] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:32] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:33] look the fish http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9751/avatar424871lt7.jpg [22:39] what are we 12? [22:41] we're all 12. [22:42] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:42] will upgrading my glib from 2.18.4 to 2.21.1 break stuff? [22:43] yes [22:43] BAH [22:43] Nick change: raph0x88_ -> raph0x88 [22:43] thats what i thought [22:43] 2.21.x is pre-release, and glib is a pretty important library for the system [22:44] echtts (~echtts@201-95-57-218.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:44] is there a /proc that shows which mobo I have? [22:44] ZYG (~ZYG@200-207-1-108.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:45] why is /x/liblbxutil not present in -current? [22:45] Reticenti, dmidecode is your best bet [22:45] about to re-establish my multilib setup over here, and the absence of that package is kinda off-putting. [22:46] ZYG (~ZYG@200-207-1-108.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: [BX] I see your BitchX is as big as mine! [22:47] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:48] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-169.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:48] thanks trhodes [22:48] err [22:49] thanks thrice` [22:49] cbpye, because it's dropped in x.org, and no longer needed probably [22:49] Reticenti, sure :> [22:49] Reticenti: you're welcome anyways :P [22:50] thrice`, awesome. Guess I'm clear to multilib without it, then. [22:50] fooy (1000@125.25.136.247.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:51] botnet (~void@75-92-207-253.war.clearwire-wmx.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:52] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:52] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:53] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [22:54] castiell (~root@189.115.243.3.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:55] :D [22:56] SupraMayon, i need help...my sis671 driver is not running...can you help-me [22:56] hun..my keyboard is not configured [22:57] :D [22:57] brbrbr (~basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [22:57] bugman (~ebros@adsl-99-160-180-57.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:57] if you can....someone can help me [22:57] what is not running? [22:58] Someone can help you, indeed. [22:58] my sis671 driver [22:58] your driver works for? [22:58] halp plx [22:58] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:58] sorry i`m from brazil..and i need help imediately... [22:58] for vga [22:58] for video configuration [22:58] understand....sorry my english is so bad [22:59] ok [22:59] me speaks br too.. [22:59] hun..=-D are you from brazil or Pt [22:59] entao [22:59] br means brazil, pt portugal ;) [22:59] instalei o slack para testar hoje... [23:00] mas encontrei o problema do drive de video da minha placa que e uma sis 671 [23:00] talk in pm [23:00] yeah [23:01] Action: niels_horn gets confused reading Portuguese and English in the same window ;) [23:01] lolzeh [23:02] the parts you don't understand are portuguese [23:02] They should just speak Spanish [23:02] Skywise: Será? Acho que dá pra entender sim... :P [23:02] heh [23:02] is there a slackware-br? [23:02] Skywise: there is... [23:03] castiell asked the same question there, but got an answer here first [23:03] rodrigolanes (~AndChat@201.53.150.58) joined ##slackware. [23:04] I guess powtrix is helping him via pm now [23:05] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] :D [23:05] godel (~godel@190.22.12.171) joined ##slackware. [23:05] godel (godel@190.22.12.171) left ##slackware. [23:06] Nick change: rodrigolanes -> magicnumber [23:06] godel (~godel@190.22.12.171) joined ##slackware. [23:06] fooy (1000@125.25.116.0.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:07] hi, does anyone knows where I can get the package for the 'host' (dns lookup) command ? [23:08] magicnumber (~AndChat@201.53.150.58) left irc: Quit: Bye [23:08] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-181-253.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:08] godel: you mean the "dig" command? [23:09] whats the coolest thing i can do to show off linux to my firneds [23:10] SupraMayon: Uhm..Show them choppy Flash playback? [23:10] and is slackware the best distro for that? [23:10] ? [23:10] porn. that tends to impress. [23:10] I'm sure any Linux will do it [23:10] godel: the "host" command is in the bind package [23:11] what kind of porn [23:11] no but seriously [23:11] pengiun porn [23:11] *guin [23:11] man on man on horse on goat porn [23:11] what will make them nerd out [23:11] unioning filesystems [23:11] how do i do that [23:12] or alternative TCP congestion algorithmns [23:12] yeah exactly [23:12] tell me so i can do it, theya re coming voer in 30 minutes [23:12] SupraMayon: considering we have _no_ knowledge of who your friends are and what they are impressed by, why do you expect a useful answer? [23:13] 30 minutes? [23:13] i dont care, those work [23:13] and why do you think it's necessary to show off linux to them? [23:13] Order a pizza and play some halo [23:13] if you don't touch the keyboard, you might have a screensaver going by then [23:13] i dont have halo [23:13] yay. spirals! 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[23:31] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:32] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:33] bugman (~ebros@adsl-99-160-180-57.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:36] dsockwell (~icemon@ip68-108-87-163.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:37] obnauticus (~obnauticu@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [23:41] castiell (~castiell@189.115.243.3.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:42] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [23:43] is it fairly easy to setup raid in linux with a pci raid card? [23:43] why bnot use softraid? [23:44] my mobo doesnt support it [23:44] have you any chart, where hard raid is outperforming softraid? [23:44] softraid is dependant on OS, not mb or bios [23:44] i've never used hardraid, and a friend is offering me a free 0/1/10 pci card [23:45] in fact, i've never used raid of any kind [23:45] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:46] well, i you're on linux, try softraid first. it's easy. not as easy as on solaris or freebsd with zfs, but still! [23:46] would you suggest raid 3 or 5? [23:46] i have 3 200gb drives [23:46] er [23:46] what you need [23:46] raid5 would work with that setup [23:47] well it depends [23:47] if just storing.... [23:47] it would be for media [23:48] i already have /home on one disk with all my data. I'm getting 2 new 200gb drives [23:48] is it possible to add them to that setup for raid 5? [23:49] Reticenti: first, waht do you understand with raid 5 :) [23:49] s/waht/what [23:49] agris_: if i have 3 drives each 200gb, with raid 5 i effectively get 400gb [23:49] and through some magic, if one fails i dont lose data [23:49] Reticenti: and what is your purpose for using raid? [23:50] moar space [23:50] so mirroring [23:50] moar space is if not using raid at all :P [23:50] well, all my media is in one folder, so how would you suggest i add two new drives to hold all the media? [23:50] if mirror, raid 1, softraid works just fine [23:51] and 2 drives needed [23:51] well [23:51] tbh, i would only want either raid 0 if I cant add in my current hdd, or raid 5 (preferred) if i *can* add in my current hdd [23:51] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:52] as now i see again... don't know what performance could butterflyFS offer, but zfs hits the target [23:52] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:52] i would either mount /home/media to raid 0 or mount /home to raid5 [23:52] amnesia (amnesia@c-68-51-168-32.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [23:53] is it possible to add a currently filled harddrive into a raid? [23:53] Yes [23:53] If you want to lose all of the data [23:54] that would be bad [23:54] unless it's not [23:54] backup it? [23:54] no place to put it [23:54] well, maybe [23:54] castiell (~castiell@189.115.243.3.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:59] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.239) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:00] --- Wed Mar 24 2010