[00:00] firebird619: ls -ld /tmp [00:00] drwxrwxrwt 9 root root 220 2009-05-22 22:52 /tmp/ [00:00] look right? [00:00] firebird619, I really dont think tmpfs is a good idea for /tmp on a dev box personally [00:01] wait a sec, was it already tmpfs before all your apps blew up? [00:01] firebird619, I know you like the "realtime" stuff...but that's really not a good idea or secure [00:01] in that case the problem could be as simple as, you ran out of RAM and swap [00:01] Urchlay: no [00:01] ah [00:01] firebird619: ht -d option tells ls you only want the entry(ies) rather than recurse into the directory [00:02] alisonken1home: Ah ok. Thanks. [00:02] I *like* tmpfs for /tmp - as long as you have plenty of ram, then all is well. [00:02] ht must be a Dvorak-flavored typo for ls [00:02] rworkman: 1 GB ram [00:02] firebird619: you might want to limit the tmpfs to 256M or so [00:03] oh, nm, it's "the" [00:03] size=256M to the mount options [00:03] rworkman: ok, thanks. [00:03] ...and then you better not try to compile giant stuff like KDE unless you pass TMP=/var/tmp to the script [00:03] Indeed. [00:03] I think that was likely Old_Fogie's point too. [00:03] Urchlay: th ht was a typo in the keyboard :) [00:03] rworkman, I've got my tinfoil hat on so bear with me :) but I've read some nice tech white papers on them, and tmpfs scares the bee-geezus outta me. the fact that most people dont mount it with 'nosuid,nodev,noexec' being a major part of it. then again, what the hell do I know :) [00:04] just like I just missed the 'e' in the last post [00:04] Old_Fogie: nosuid,nodev,noexec are good idea for /tmp whether it's a tmpfs or not [00:04] rworkman, the fact that it's many times 0666 read/write city blows out the purpose of a /tmp [00:04] Old_Fogie: most people don't mount *any* /tmp with that, so sure. [00:04] for a dev box I mean, may not be agood idead [00:05] I"m no sec expert but that's why I caution him to do such thing on a dev box [00:05] prag (n=sri_user@220.225.233.209) joined ##slackware. [00:05] sorry. power cut.dominion you around [00:05] dominian [00:05] prag: he's taking a break [00:06] be back shortly [00:06] what advantage does the dvd iso have over the cds. are they not boththe same size [00:06] I'm probably being over paranoid, but err I dunno [00:06] As long as all your local shell accounts are trusted, and you don't have any insecure web apps, I wouldn't worry :) [00:07] no - the dvd contains all of the contents of the cd's together - the only reason to have cd's v. dvd is if you're trying to install on a computer that can't read dvd's [00:07] e.g. if you serve only static html, then nothing will be able to write *anywhere* on your system except for local processes. [00:07] Old_Fogie: you don't cover your PC, monitor, and cables with tinfoil to stop the NSA from doing the Tempest/Van Eck attack, do you? [00:07] rworkman, yea like I said "got my tin foil hat on :) [00:07] hehe [00:07] prag: my last was for you [00:07] Urchlay, oh I believe the Gov could hack my linux in sec fwiw, but no I dont tinfoil them :) [00:08] i got dvd rwriter [00:08] prag: unless you need to install slackware on an older computer that has cd reader only, then the dvd is better [00:09] so dvd download size and cd download size =are they same [00:09] prag: close enough - although due to overhead, the cd's may come in a little higher than the dvd [00:10] so dvd size<6*cd [00:10] prag: the only other item might be the dvd contains everything - wihch includes the sources that are on a separate cd [00:10] do i need the sources [00:10] not normally [00:10] in the future [00:11] alisonken1home: I've wondered how much that hurts mirror sites' bandwidth bills [00:11] the thing is my internet speed is temporarily increased by twenty times. so i am downloading all the good stuff. [00:11] Urchlay: only if mirrors pay per mb :) but yea, dvd's can be a bear on some bills [00:11] many people are downloading the DVD who can't/won't/don't care to use the sources for anything [00:11] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.157.33.70) joined ##slackware. [00:11] SynFlag (i=ice@unaffiliated/synflag) joined ##slackware. [00:12] he i oculd nt fin d thelink for the cds so i dont know how much size the cds are can u give the number [00:12] prag: how big can a CD be? Now multiply that by 3 (or 6, if you get the sources too) [00:12] Urchlay: what would be nice is if there were 2 dvd's - one with basic install mnus fluff like sources, and one with full [00:13] prag: cd max size is around 700Mb [00:13] what would be nice is if people would stop bitching about the cd size and buy a subscription from Slackware itself. [00:13] 640Mb for standard cd's [00:13] man then i want to get the cd only because i dont know hwen i will run out of abandwidth [00:13] alisonken1home: yeah... of course then someone will want to fill the extra space in the "fluff-free" DVD iso with... more fluff :) [00:13] Old_Fogie: like the one I've had for 5 years now :) [00:14] Old_Fogie: anyway I don't call what we were doing "bitching"... commenting, yes [00:15] SynFlag (i=ice@unaffiliated/synflag) left irc: "Exit" [00:15] oh I wasnt meaning it nastily, I forgot the :) I was trying to push him to buy a subscription :) [00:15] fair enough [00:15] sorry about that [00:15] Any idea why I get this with trying to build adesklets: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13992 [00:16] adesklets after patching I might add. [00:16] on the download page it says slackware-current is that hte right one [00:16] "/bin/sh /bin/sh /tmp/SBo/adesklets-0.6.1/install-sh " <--- there's an extra "/bin/sh" in that command [00:16] ftp://ftp.wh8.tu-dresden.de/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/ [00:16] brugalman (i=doggy@dogsoul.org) joined ##slackware. [00:16] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:17] Nick change: brugalman -> dogsoul [00:17] it's running /bin/sh, and giving it /bin/sh for an argument (which sh is treating as the script to run, only of course /bin/sh ain't a script... make sense?) [00:17] Urchlay: So it must be something in the source, I didn't put that there, that happens during make. [00:17] yup, makes sense. :) [00:17] hey firebird619 [00:17] prag, alienbob has some nice scripts that can rsync the slackware --current tree, make cd's, or dvd's or both. takes about 15 gig of space after the dvd is made on your box, so I believe the d/l of slackware and sources is 11-12 gig, that's an otpion too [00:17] Hey redtricycle [00:18] firebird619: one workaround might be to do a "mkdir -p $PKG/usr/share/info" in the slackbuild script, before the "make install" line [00:18] Urchlay: Hmm, ok. [00:18] i want the smallest download [00:18] since it looks like, if that dir exists, it won't ever run the bogus /bin/sh /bin/sh command... [00:18] Urchlay: would that double /bin/sh be something the patch did, without the patch from sbo it works fine, but there's issues with adesklets and fontconfig without the patch. [00:19] no idea, I haven't looked at the source/build/patch for it at all :) [00:19] :) [00:20] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/adesklets/ <--- what patch? [00:20] there's this in the slackbuild: sed -i 's|/usr/share/man|/usr/man|g' \ $TMP/$PRGNAM-$VERSION/scripting/perl/makefile.perl [00:20] what are some slackware related sites, where I can just read about slackware stuff? [00:20] but that won't cause the problem you're having [00:20] Urchlay: http://repo.or.cz/w/adesklets.git?p=adesklets.git;a=commitdiff_plain;h=bcff137f866fcb05141cc07c82c2e2be3b671213;hp=bb3971f9dd86443fa03475e74d9100d3ed35c2ca [00:20] Like...along the lines of userlocal [00:20] Urchlay: the patch isn't on SBo. [00:21] prag: the -current brach is the one for testng the next release of slackware [00:21] s/brach/branch/ [00:21] firebird619: gotcha [00:21] eh, I don't see any mention of /bin/sh in the patch (but it might be something more subtle causing that?) [00:21] what brach?? [00:21] ftp://ftp.riken.jp/Linux/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/ is this the right download page [00:22] the sizes seem to be wrong like 1kb [00:22] what is .asc [00:23] Urchlay: I added that mkdir line you suggested, same thing happens. [00:23] prag: .asc is the md5sum IIRC to ensure the d/l is correctdownload without problems [00:23] firebird619: eh, well, was just a thought [00:23] please give me the link to download the iso minus the sources [00:23] a good one, just not a working one. :P [00:23] prag: 12.2 cd's 1-3 [00:23] chopp: you around at all? [00:23] .asc is the GPG signature [00:23] Urchlay: thanks - knew is was something like that [00:23] chopp did this same thing, he must have done something I didn't. [00:24] on the downoad pages it is not written in that way there is no cd 1,2,3 mentioned [00:24] not only ensures the download is correct, it's supposed to ensure the file can be trusted [00:24] prag: ok - install-1,2,3 [00:24] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-63-93.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: "Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug." [00:25] ftp://ftp.riken.jp/Linux/slackware/slackware-12.2/slackware/ this is the page iam right now on and it doesnt show the download links for cds [00:25] the .iso.asc and iso.md5 ones can be ignored unless you want ot verify you d/l the correct ones [00:25] there aren't any iso's on that page prag, you'll have to try another mirror. [00:25] prag: you're correct - those are not the iso files [00:25] prag: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/ <--- has the actual Cd isos [00:25] ph|ber: ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/ [00:26] er, and the DVD iso too [00:26] or torrent [00:26] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:26] since he has bandwith concerns [00:26] might be a good choice [00:26] or those d1, d2 ,d3 the ones [00:26] "Thank you Mario, but our ISOs are in another mirror!" [00:26] s/ph|ber/prag/ [00:26] urchlay [00:26] prag: the lnik you have shows whoever is mirroring missed the actual iso's [00:28] prag: use the link that BP{k} posted [00:28] rworkman, get your new laptop yet? [00:29] I'm toying with getting one of them monster big laptops [00:29] the type that are so big, you call ahead to your house and have the grandkids wait to help you take it in every day after work [00:29] misnamed, unless you're of the race of frost giants and thus have a monster big lap? [00:29] haha [00:30] at least kids/grandkids are good for something [00:30] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:30] Old_Fogie: on it now :) [00:30] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-63-93.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:30] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:30] rworkman, oooh! what did'ya get? [00:31] T400 [00:31] The integrated intel card won't work with our xorg though. I had to upgrade libdrm and the intel driver [00:31] thinkpads are nice [00:31] rworkman: which card is it? [00:32] i'm googleing it now [00:32] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) [00:32] thanks a lot. everyone [00:32] gooph_ (n=gooph@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:32] prag: so you finally found the isos you were looking for? [00:32] rworkman, was it the --current driver you upgraded to get it to work? [00:32] or is that a sarcasm/frustration usage of "thanks a lot"? [00:33] Old_Fogie: yes, xf86-video-intel 2.5.1, which requires newer libdrm. [00:33] rworkman, yes ok I'm running that here too. rebuild it fwiw if you upgrade pixman [00:34] It *should* have newer xorg-server and such too, as 1.4.2 and our mesa won't bulid against this libdrm, but I don't care for *me* - it works here, and that's good enough for me [00:34] wow that's a nice laptop [00:34] indeed [00:34] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:34] I'm running slackware64-current on it :) [00:34] very nice [00:36] yeah I'm still deciding on which I want, so many choices, and the prices...well you can't beat them. maybe I'll wait til' they pay me to buy them :) [00:36] hehe [00:36] Old_Fogie: I'll wait for that deal too. :P [00:36] kind of like the car industry too, hahah [00:37] looks like I'm gonna have some money to burn, I'm really considering selling my classic cars [00:37] Old_Fogie: what cars are you thinking about selling? [00:38] I went to a car show today, man they had some nice stuff [00:38] old stang, mach, chevell, lincoln convertible [00:38] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-55-213-233.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:38] I may keep the mach tho, I bought that new, and may give that to one of my grandkids [00:38] one guy had a mach 1 he had since it was new with only 20k miles, still looked brand new [00:39] Old_Fogie: very nice, man:) [00:39] but I really ain't gonna wait and see what other liberties this gov't is gonna yank from my hands, and be left with some beautiful junk. [00:40] I'm thinking it may be better to sell now, then later [00:40] the day muscle cars are considered junk seems like the day pigs fly [00:41] Old_Fogie: How old a stang? [00:41] twolf, yea I know, but think of this, they're begging people to buy cars now, that dont even meet the new fuel emissions in 2016 this is going to be a mess. [00:42] Alan_Hicks, the stang is late 60's. needs body work. I finished the engine and trans tho. actually, it needs alot of work :) but the lincoln and the chevelle are all done :) [00:42] hopefully they will soon have "Mr. Fusion" retrofit kits [00:42] Nothing is going to meet those new emissions standards. People don't want these moronic "smart cars" that get 40mpg if it means driving a glorified scooter. [00:42] Old_Fogie: 289? [00:43] Or is it a 302? [00:43] /cl [00:43] fail :( [00:43] wicked lag [00:43] Alan_Hicks, shelby gt350 [00:43] nice [00:43] How much? [00:43] sweet [00:43] gooph_ (n=gooph@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]" [00:43] I've put about 18k into it so far [00:43] Forget it. [00:44] the interior parts are what kills you [00:44] body wise [00:44] door handles, stuff like that [00:44] That shit don't matter. [00:44] yea but I bought them already. [00:44] Door handles? Windows crankers? That's what they make vise grips for. [00:44] but I gotta do the seats on it [00:44] lol [00:44] hahah vice grips [00:44] Folding chairs. [00:44] Neo_The_User (n=matrix@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:45] upside down 5gal buckets [00:45] Hey don't knock it! My first truck had (still does in fact!) vise grips on the doors for that stuff. [00:45] What architecture is slackware 12.2 x86 tuned for? i686? [00:45] They worked BETTER than the original window crankers. [00:45] body is nice tho, needs some minor work, nothing a good welder can tackle with a mig/tig in a day or so. [00:45] In fact, having vice grips on the doors saved my bacon plenty of times. [00:45] bit off topic eh? [00:45] paint's not too expensive. but I need glass, seats and ... well probably another 10$k into it and it's done. [00:46] Neo_The_User: i486 [00:46] Alan_Hicks, oh same here. [00:46] thanks [00:46] Alan_Hicks, actually I used them to turn on my car for a few months waiting for new ignition cylinder in the column :) [00:46] Alan_Hicks, had to put a jumper across the starter motor, ahahh. [00:46] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:46] If I hadn't have had vice grips on the door one time, we'd've lots the bar-b-q pit and about $2k worth of meat. [00:46] now my turn for off topic behavior. Alan_Hicks: ever got high off sniffing paint? [00:46] turn with vice grips, push a push button [00:46] Neo_The_User (n=matrix@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Fedora 11? Leonidas? King Lionidas? OH FROM 300! THIS... IS.... FEDORAAAA!!!!!!!!!!"). [00:48] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" 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Dad eats sons eye. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utCTv08eezQ ; http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/19/national/main5024694.shtml [01:07] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:09] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [01:10] JtH (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: "Command not found." [01:10] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:10] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:12] Hi agentc0re [01:12] did you read or watch that? [01:12] I can't believe that firebird619. [01:12] Eating your kids eye. [01:12] no I hadn't. just got back to the pc. [01:12] WTF! [01:12] Interesting - MS antitrust hearing in EU cancelled - apparently, Neely Kroes was going to attend the hearing and MS only wanted commission members, not the lead commissioner [01:13] agentc0re: Oh man...what is wrong with people. [01:13] Oh i just heard about TPB and there is going to be a retrial due to the fact that the judge has ties with the Swedish copyright law folks. [01:14] polatov (n=polatov@88.204.253.209) joined ##slackware. [01:16] gooph (n=gooph@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:16] firebird619: I believe that these sorts of things should not be tolerated. Acts of this nature degrade society and should not be forgiven. We need to remove them to prevent further contamination. [01:17] DemonicData (n=set@dhcp-nat.com-pair.net) joined ##slackware. [01:17] DemonicData (n=set@dhcp-nat.com-pair.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [01:18] DemonicData (n=set@dhcp-nat.com-pair.net) joined ##slackware. [01:18] That is just a horrific story. To think a person would be mentally disturbed enough to do that to another person (i.e. adult) let alone a child is just unthinkable. [01:18] So slackware still exist aye [01:19] yeah, sure does. [01:19] alisonken1home: perhaps Microsoft wasn't too happy since Neelie Kroes is pretty much pro-open source [01:19] BP{k}: :) [01:19] firebird619: You're telling me. [01:19] BP{k}: So i am bottling one of my batches of beer this week. [01:19] I just wnet back to linux after 10 years.i installed ubuntu but foundout truecrypt can't do full disk encryption on linux and i have to reinstall to get full disk encyption so i feell this is a opertunity to move to another distro [01:19] agentc0re: and sending them to me for sampling, right? ;)@ [01:20] DemonicData: And the Slackware 13.0 DVD will have both Slackware32 and Slackware64 on a dual-sided DVD [01:20] is slackware still being activly worked on,what does it have going for it [01:20] BP{k}: 3 days after there there should be enough carbonation to get a good tasting :) [01:20] BP{k}: Heh, aren't you in the UK? [01:20] yeah i'm running x64 [01:20] agentc0re: yes. and? ;) [01:20] agentc0re: let me know how it turned out :) [01:20] BP{k}: Hrmm. wonder what shipping would be for one beer. :P [01:20] DemonicData: the DVD is scheduled to be released in the next 3-4 moths [01:20] haha. [01:20] s/moths/months [01:21] Sounds good I haven't run slack in ages.whats the homepage [01:21] www.slackware.com [01:22] Oy doh [01:23] an unofficial link site would also be http://slackworld.berlios.de/ [01:23] Morning, slackers! [01:23] mornin' [01:23] Evening kamaji [01:23] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:24] alisonken1home: pfff, use REAL time :P [01:24] agentc0re: btw; it seems the judge investigating if thge orginal judge in the TPB trial was biased, has now been removed as well. [01:24] for being .. . well.. biased. [01:24] kamaji: :) [01:24] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [01:25] BP{k}: he was biased because he was in the same copyright groups, is that right? [01:25] doesn't that automatically qualify the other judge for guilt? :D [01:25] well, bias [01:25] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:25] kamaji: the orginal judge was, now the second judge from the appeal court has been removed as well. [01:25] http://tinyurl.com/rcx8ub [01:25] oh, thanks [01:27] BP{k}: Hehe, ya i heard that too. Too funny. [01:28] I hope in the end everything is dropped. [01:29] gooph (n=gooph@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]" [01:30] It's funny how much time we'll waste on TPB but this dude who tore his son's eye out and ate it will just be dismissed and probably go to a mental institution while we pay for it in taxes forever. 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Do you have to copy a System.map over still? it's been a while since I've done one [01:46] happycycling: System.map is only needed for debugging [01:46] Anyone having problem with VMware 6.5.2 Workstation on Slackware64? [01:46] I can't even remember when I compiled my last kernel. [01:46] happycycling, here's a nice guide http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding [01:47] ah thanks [01:47] BP{k}, it seems compiling a kernel is some kind of "right to passage". after a while, like you ... I just build if a cve and that's it. :) [01:47] BP{k}: I can - my last job recompiling for a mini router beginning this year :) [01:47] I can remember too, earlier today. :P [01:48] Arirang, probably you need some 32-bit run time libs, Vmware still use some 32-bit binary [01:48] What's a Linux "newsletter" software? [01:48] One where I can just enter email addresses manually... [01:48] I'm trying to migrate my existing userbase [01:48] arny, it's VMware-Workstation-6.5.2-156735.x86_64.bundle [01:48] and I dont want to resend all the confirmation emails again [01:48] redtricycle: confirming emails will depend on what the old software used for keeping track of userbase [01:49] arny, I think you may be correct [01:49] I have a list of emails [01:49] in a mysql database [01:49] so I can just extract it... [01:49] Arirang, yup, even if they say is 64-bit you need 32-bit runtime libs [01:49] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:49] Damn [01:49] so you guys just stick with the default kernel and no longer compile? [01:49] How's that multilib compatibility package coming along? [01:50] :D [01:50] xchat_989 (n=Xchat@195.161.25.8) left irc: "Leaving" [01:50] happycycling: the generic kernel has worked great here for quite some time [01:51] so the only thing you add is the nvidia or ati driver blobs and that's it? [01:51] happycycling: yep [01:52] damn I wasted an hour then lol [01:53] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: ""bb"" [01:53] Gee...I guess i can write my own newsletter software.. [01:53] don't really want to [01:53] -_- [01:54] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:54] redtricycle: keep looking - there should be something available already [01:54] oh..."mailman" [01:54] hmm [01:54] interesting [01:55] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:57] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:59] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:01] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:04] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:04] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:05] rworkman: is there a SlackBuild for mailman? [02:06] Shrp_Edge (n=Shrp_Edg@c-71-202-96-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:06] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:06] Nick change: Shrp_Edge -> Shrp_ [02:06] redtricycle: have you used the search factility at SBo? [02:06] ..err, I just used the one in sbopkg [02:07] did you find anything? [02:07] no [02:07] Oh...I thought you were asking [02:07] conclusion? [02:07] because you knew it existed at SBo [02:07] Okay, the reason I asked [02:08] was because if I google "mailman slackbuild" [02:08] I get sent to a link to signup for Slackbuilds newsletter [02:08] martian (n=xtd8865@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [02:09] well, if you look at how the link is formed, you'll see that SBo uses mailman software for their mailing list [02:09] BP{k}: mailman doesn't show for me using the search 12.2 ? [02:09] nod, BP{k}, which is why I figured [02:09] alisonken1home: because there isn't one? :) [02:09] rworkman had a Slackbuild, since he uses it [02:09] as the SBo newsletter... [02:09] BP{k}: that's what I thought :) [02:09] And your comments confirm that one doesn't exist, okay [02:10] The saying on a popsicle stick: http://topcultured.com/food/what-time-is-it-when-youre-out-of-ice-cream/ What a message. [02:10] HOLY CRAP [02:10] hahaha [02:10] :) [02:11] redtricycle: don't run out of icecream. :P [02:11] Arirang, I just have tested IA32 emulation from BW64 on SLAK64 and skype works ;) [02:11] hmm interesting, mailman recommends not to install as root, but as normal user. [02:12] is there a kernel that comes with 12.2 that has 64GB of memory support compiled in? [02:12] martian (n=xtd8865@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Client Quit [02:12] martian (n=xtd8865@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [02:13] happycycling: no. I don't think so. [02:14] so do you run mkinitrd after you load the new kernel or before you reboot? [02:14] BP{k}: security issue :) - it's easier to keep bad things from happening if you're not root [02:14] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:14] similar to mysql recommending it get installed as a mysql user that's added during install rather than root [02:15] alisonken1home: sure, I just find it funny: "Do *not* install as root. Install as your normal user, or whatever user you use to normally install software on your system with." <-- uhm .. wouldn't that be root perchange? ;) [02:15] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [02:16] BP{k}: I believe their wording could use some updates :) [02:16] jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) joined ##slackware. [02:16] sounds like they're used to dealing with MS types [02:17] Which is the *easiest* mail server to set up? I want to send mail via Gmail's smtp. Should I use: Postfix, Exim, Sendmail, or Qmail? [02:17] redtricycle: postfix [02:17] postfix probably. [02:18] Hey thumbs [02:18] Awesome. I like it when there's a simple answer instead of "it depends on..." =D [02:18] firebird619: hi. [02:18] redtricycle: oh we can do that. Postfix, Sendmail, or Exim .. depenindg on what you want ;) [02:18] fox2430 (n=Miranda@121.8.142.236) joined ##slackware. [02:18] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [02:18] lol [02:20] I had just read an article the other day of a guy talking about why Pat included sendmail instead of postfix in slackware. It was from 2005 and it read sort of like it was maybe more this guys opinion. [02:21] I think I read something along those lines too.. [02:21] I was struggling with sendmail [02:21] y'know [02:21] because it's in Slackware [02:21] and I *had* to use it [02:21] -_- [02:21] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:22] Hi all.. ! Does anyone here have ever used some open source spectrum analyzer written in c for linux???? [02:25] no spectrum analysis occurs here [02:25] yep.. [02:25] so bad.. [02:25] lol [02:27] I need to create a spectrum analyzer.. I have the mathematical concept but I have no idea how to program the basic.. for instance, how to capture a sound from a microphone.. [02:27] what kind of spectrum are you looking for? [02:27] redtricycle: Yeah, I think where I seen it was on linuxquestions.org. [02:27] ah - how about looking at http://www.linux.org/apps/AppId_4772.html [02:28] darn, my webserver doesnt have postfix [02:28] I wonder if I can build it into my home directory... [02:28] it is on slackbuilds.org [02:29] ya, but.. [02:29] I can't add a postfixusr nor a postfixgroup [02:29] On the webserver [02:29] Ive downloaded this one hours ago.. I could not get it running here! Ill try it tomorrow..! Without have it running is quite complicate understand the code...! [02:30] Tks [02:30] arny, I just tried that, and it's not working for VMware [02:30] jsonic: another place to look: http://linux-sound.org/scopes.html [02:31] Arirang, hmm, strange, should work, I don't have a Vmware kit to test :| [02:31] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl11-183-191.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:31] bleh, I think I'll just code my own mailer [02:31] jsonic (n=jsonic@189.63.215.52) left irc: "Leaving" [02:33] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [02:34] Arirang, what is the error message? [02:34] happycycling (n=john@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [02:38] arny, http://pastebin.com/d3f54cb1f [02:38] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:38] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). 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[02:54] Arirang, this issues usually are solved if you patch vmware using vmware-any-any-update [02:54] Oh yeah, I remember doing something like that a while back [02:54] so, just search over the net and see what other do to work [02:55] Yeah [02:55] fgdfas (n=dfgdf@91-114-239-167.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [02:56] umislack (i=1000@58.64.90.192) joined ##slackware. [02:56] martian (n=xtd8865@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:56] is there an electronics channel [02:56] prag: ham radio channel somewhere [02:56] arny, ahhhh, found it [02:57] prag: there's #electronics [02:57] ##electronics found [02:57] thanks [02:57] :) [02:58] thanks alisonken as well [02:59] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [02:59] prag: may want to try w8irc chat at #HamRadio [02:59] arny, :D [02:59] arny, it's working nicely now [02:59] grat ;) [02:59] sorry, that's the ERNet link - try #hamradio on freenode [03:00] great* [03:00] slKIvs (n=ivan@190.148.119.23) joined ##slackware. [03:00] arny, thanks dude, I forgot all about that [03:00] Arirang, enjoy! ;) [03:00] I had to do the exactly the same thing when I installed 12.2 last year [03:02] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[03:22] :D [03:22] hello elderK [03:22] Action: elderK waves [03:23] :) I was wondering what libraries would be best to install alongside KDE 3.5.10 in S12_2? [03:23] Or, if perhaps, with the GNOME binaries available via DLG, GWare, perhaps 12_1 is the better choice? [03:23] I tend to pick'n'choose the libraries and programs that are installed quite aggressively. [03:23] so, it'd be handy if I could find out, somehow, what say, KDE needed. [03:23] :P Save myself some time. [03:24] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:27] Is there a browser for linux that has something like the incognito mode in google chrome? [03:27] prag (n=sri_user@220.225.233.209) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:28] prag (n=sri_user@220.225.233.209) joined ##slackware. [03:29] prag (n=sri_user@220.225.233.209) left ##slackware. [03:31] :P Anyone? [03:31] elderK, you asked about 8 questions there, what do ya want :) [03:31] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [03:32] :D Yo Fogie! [03:32] :) Well, for GNOMEyness, what would be the best Slackware to choose? [03:32] Alternatively, for KDE, what libraries would I best include? [03:32] Likewise, for minimal X11. [03:32] :) [03:32] elderK: find a program (like Kate), and run ldd on a running system :) [03:32] I would, happily, if I had a live system :) [03:33] With distributions such as GSB, my past experiences haven't been that great. Like, bundling HTTPD when... well, I don't need it? I don't see why GNOME needs it... [03:33] elderK: you could install the /l series from the cd, then after a couple of weeks of use, find out which files weren't accessed and remove that package is what I would do [03:34] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:34] :P I tend to install like, next to nothing - build up from there. [03:34] elderK, gnome links to alot of things, even gcc. so a gnome project for slackware shipping replacement package is highly probable [03:35] so basically, if I want GNOME, I'd best use a different distribution? [03:35] I built GARNOME once, it was really... eh. [03:35] garnome's a joke [03:36] as is jhbuild [03:36] I mean, clearlooks was always red... [03:36] I'd use KDe, but, my beef with KDE is that it just, doesnt seem as refined. And, I'm not partial to the 4 versions. [03:36] And, most programs (all) that I use, are GTK based. [03:36] So, GNOME is a better fit. [03:37] I'm currently trying to build Gnome 2.26.2 on slackware64 and lets just say I have more than a small migraine [03:37] And yes, I know, XFCE. But, I just don't jive with XFCE. [03:37] I bet, Wild. [03:37] elderK, there's gnome projects for slackware,but you gotta answer yourself a question, are you a slackware style user or what. do you need your hand held. asking which apps are needed for minimal install and how to do so...well makes me think maybe you need a distro like ubunut if you're not willing to figure out what's what , my 0.02 [03:37] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [03:37] umislack (i=1000@58.64.90.192) got netsplit. [03:37] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) got netsplit. [03:37] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) got netsplit. [03:37] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.188.249) got netsplit. [03:37] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) got netsplit. [03:37] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) got netsplit. [03:37] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) got netsplit. [03:37] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) got netsplit. [03:37] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) got netsplit. [03:37] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) got netsplit. [03:37] kennyt (n=ken@laputa.kennyt.com) got netsplit. [03:37] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) got netsplit. [03:37] ApOgEE-- (i=apogeek@my.grandma.uses.shellium.org) got netsplit. [03:37] WildWizard, yea it's a pita [03:37] Fogie, I'm a slackware style user. [03:38] I spent 3 hours hand-picking X11 library, by library for minimalism :P with LDD. [03:38] It's just, [03:38] I don't know. [03:38] Channel flood from elderK -- kicking [03:38] Today I'm lazier than normal. [03:38] elderK kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [03:38] elderK (n=Administ@122-57-252-54.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [03:38] Cheers, slackboy :P [03:38] elderK, well many things in slack need a rebuild, mesa, libgsf, libwnck for gnome..so all I can tell ya is, pick a gnome for slack n run with it. [03:38] umislack (i=1000@58.64.90.192) returned to ##slackware. [03:38] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) returned to ##slackware. [03:38] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) returned to ##slackware. [03:38] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.188.249) returned to ##slackware. [03:38] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) returned to ##slackware. [03:38] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [03:38] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) returned to ##slackware. [03:38] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) returned to ##slackware. [03:38] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) returned to ##slackware. [03:38] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) returned to ##slackware. [03:38] kennyt (n=ken@laputa.kennyt.com) returned to ##slackware. [03:38] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) returned to ##slackware. [03:38] ApOgEE-- (i=apogeek@my.grandma.uses.shellium.org) returned to ##slackware. [03:39] Well, aye, Fogie. [03:39] me, I build my own, I only need a minimal gnome. [03:39] I come here, simply asking which you recommend over the otehrs, in your personal experience? [03:39] Aye, same here. [03:39] Do you build it yourself, package by package? Or, do you use GARNOME? [03:39] well, we're here to support slackware, not gnome for slackware [03:40] elderK, no I wright my scripts and build my own [03:40] And, how do you integrate it with the system at large? Do you install to say, /opt? Or, do you install it standard wise. [03:40] :) Nice, fogie. [03:40] no I install it like software normally is , /etc/ /usr/lib [03:40] And hey, I'm sorry if I seem nobblish, I'm not. It's just, I... hate to... 'mess' Slack. [03:40] I dont "make install" I package it in *.tgz [03:40] nice :") [03:41] elderK, the Slack community isn't really gnome/friendly so if you really want it, like I said, picka gnome variant for it, and run with it or build your own, but really in here, you won't find too much assistance. [03:42] fluxbox ftw!!! :) [03:42] Aye, Fogie. Normally I use Fvwm :) [03:42] And aye, Flux isn't too bad :) [03:42] I'm using icewm *alot* lately and really really liking the tiling :) [03:43] I found a few nice themes, and man it's a beaut. [03:43] Is icewm in slack, I can't remember. :P [03:44] firebird619, no and I maild the dev of the SBo script, as the default he/she has doesn't put gradeient (or was it fonthint) in the script, which is ugly. but it's yet to be fixed. [03:44] Lets now add PolicyKit to the list of libs that take configure options and then ignores them [03:45] Old_Fogie: ah, ok. I'll maybe look into that. I LOVE fluxbox now, but still like trying stuff out. :) [03:45] --enable-gradients \ --enable-antialiasing \ <--- is missed [03:46] there some important ones. :) [03:46] ^_^ I used to be a big fan of Window Maker, but man, [03:46] there's alot of themese that look like crapola with out that, dunno why the dev of the script removed them options but oh well [03:46] I just can't live without the sweet Virtual desktop implementation of FVWM [03:46] I've not found anything smoother than FVWM's implementation, for VDs. [03:46] :P [03:47] that fvwm just seems to take so much work for my needs, I just cant seem to get used to it [03:47] That's its downside. [03:47] It takes some serious time - fiddling around, to get it 'perfect'. :P [03:47] yeah icewm is a pita for it's menus. so I 'liberated' the menus from debian and then just modified accordingly, and got some peace that way. [03:47] Which, tbh, I'm not sure I can be bothered with anymore. [03:48] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-235.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Fare Thee Well" [03:49] I've heard PekWM is sweet? [03:49] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [03:51] :) I still think the original Blackbox is cool. [03:51] lol [03:51] Old_Fogie: looks like icewm has the potential to look really nice. [03:52] does anyon else suffer from `stuck' fluxbox menus [03:52] firebird619, when I enter X I'm only at 60 mb ram! and it looks just as good as any other desktop enviro. and very customizable. just no desktop icons, which is fine for my needs. [03:52] as in when you have used them, thye remain on screen [03:53] yeah, I don't like many, if any desktop icons. [03:53] I'm not sure what flux uses for ram when I first enter X, but I would assume it'd be minimal. [03:53] firebird619, use the 'free' command [03:54] greymaus: don't really have that problem with fluxbox on my systems [03:54] RAM: Used: 3029/4095MB (73% Load) [03:55] now trying icewm [03:55] menus are harder than fluxbox or blackbox [03:55] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:55] Mem: Total: 1029324 Used: 797836 Free: 231488 [03:56] firebird619, second line the -/+ is the one you look at [03:56] second line..used column [03:57] -/+ buffers/cache: 592152 437172 [03:57] wow you got alot running huh :) [03:58] pidgin, opera, and a terminal. [03:58] so not alot. [03:59] unless I'm reading that wrong ...I am tired. try free -m (which shows it in meg) [03:59] just second line [04:00] -/+ buffers/cache: 570 434 [04:00] so you got 434 meg free yeah [04:00] -/+ buffers/cache: 166 76 [04:00] that's mine :) [04:00] hahah [04:00] lol [04:00] -/+ buffers/cache: 249 3041 [04:00] lol ;) [04:01] hey lf4 [04:01] hey firebird619 how you doing? [04:01] Old_Fogie: on which of your system? the main / faster one? [04:01] firebird619, got tvtime, opera, xchate, 6 terms, krusader, liferea, evolution [04:01] lf4: doing great, thanks , you. [04:01] Draenei (n=Draenei@93-136-253-160.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [04:01] Old_Fogie: wow [04:01] Hey slackmagic [04:01] bogomips : 1737.27 [04:01] I'm doing well [04:01] firebird619: I think you're running more than just those 3 things though, I have less used Megs than you but I"m running a lot more too hehe [04:01] firebird619, so _all_ of that in ice and that low of mem [04:01] wow Old_Fogie how are you running all that and still only at 166? [04:02] slackmagic, no not my fastest, but this is slow [04:02] ice is your wm? [04:02] hey nightowls [04:02] it's cpu MHz : 868.635 [04:02] slackmagic: no, that's all I'm running. :P [04:02] model name : Pentium III (Coppermine) [04:02] lf4, no this is 866 mhz here [04:02] -/+ buffers/cache: 516 2513 <---- mine right now [04:03] firebird619, but you got a gig of ram tho huh? [04:03] lf4, my 166 is my laptop :D [04:03] which I do use alot, but not using now. [04:04] Old_Fogie: yeah [04:04] and I'm having up 4 urxvt terminals, some with screen, mplayer playing "BBC - How to Sleep Better", Firefox (with at least a dozen tabs on), conky, running dual-head monitor setup (conky on both instances for different minimal info on both screens), thunderbird, pidgin and I believe that's it [04:04] slackmagic, yea looks like his box might be leaking or someting, or a ton of stuff in buffer [04:05] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: [04:05] it's probably been a while since a reboot, and he's run stuff. so kernels' probably doing it's job fine I suppose [04:06] yep [04:06] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.251) joined ##slackware. [04:06] Old_Fogie: I've been compiling, etc. today, that would do it, eh? [04:06] model name : Pentium II (Klamath) cpu MHz : 233.296 cache size : 512 KB bogomips : 468.17 <--- my one server on right now :) [04:08] firebird619, probably. look thru ps output. but you know, one app I truly love, SBo has the script for is htop. you might like that. [04:08] Oh man htop is awesome :) [04:08] k, I'll check that out, but won't be much longer and I'll be going to bed, 03:08. :) [04:08] agreed! :) [04:08] lf4, yea man. it's one of the first apps I put on a box, just after md5deep and iftop [04:09] iftop humm I have to check that one out. [04:09] yea it's a beauty [04:09] a simple "iftop -i eth0" (as root) use the 'h' key for help. you'll be good to go. [04:10] what's iftop? [04:10] firebird619, network monitor in console. [04:10] Installing iftop tonight :) lol so I can play with it a little before bed. [04:10] Old_Fogie: ah ok. [04:10] it's a fast build, few seconds on a tique' even [04:10] firebird619: iftop does for network usage what top(1) does for CPU usage. [04:10] cool [04:10] awesome [04:11] what's nice is, it doesn't link to alot of things like some of the other network tools do. [04:11] and terminal resizing works well too. [04:11] it stinks tho if you need logging [04:11] but the keybinds are comprehensive to their actions [04:12] firebird619, what's good about an app like htop is, you leave it running, then run amarok, or gxine, then xmms then realize...ooh xmms is the least resource intensive..xmms it is :) [04:12] Hey, I got Crossover Linux working on Slackware64 by using ia32 stuff from Bluewhite64, per arny's suggestion [04:12] long live xmms! :) [04:13] I got those packages from http://darkstar.ist.utl.pt/bluewhite64/bluewhite64-12.2/extra/ia32-emulation/ [04:13] Works like a charm [04:13] :D [04:13] Old_Fogie: I LOVE xmms, use it all the time. [04:13] firebird619, same here. [04:14] it's the least resources of any media player I found, even mp3blaster and moc for ogg's I found [04:14] yeah [04:15] I had to scratch my head, was like "how can a gtk app with gui play oggs with less resources than a console app?" but oh well, proof is in the pudding [04:15] WHOA, htop is nice. [04:15] I build the xmms multimedia keyboard plugin btw it works well. [04:15] s/built [04:15] Old_Fogie: thanks for iftop, it is a nice tool indeed [04:15] fevel (n=fevel@201.19.107.106) joined ##slackware. [04:15] slackmagic, :) [04:16] slKIvs (n=ivan@190.148.119.23) left irc: "Saliendo" [04:16] Old_Fogie: htop is the cat's meow. :P [04:17] in case anyone needs --> http://packages.debian.org/etch/xmms-xf86audio just use their sourceball, and copy over the plugin. it's done in seconds to build. get's multimedia keyboard support for xmms. [04:18] builds in like 10 sec's or so [04:18] Well, I gotta get going, it's 03:17. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. Take care. [04:19] usr/lib/xmms/General/libxf86audio.so <-- that's the file it builds fwiw [04:19] firebird619, gn :) [04:19] good night Old_Fogie [04:19] night slackmagic [04:19] night lf4 [04:19] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) joined ##slackware. [04:20] firebird619: good night [04:21] gn slackmagic, take care. :) [04:21] Arirang: How much more have you done with it? [04:21] So I'm reading this moblin site. Sounds nice a 5 second boot. But there's no apps for it, and I ?beleive? it's rpm? yuk. No thanks.. I'll take 45 secons boot /me thinks. [04:21] Old_Fogie: yes, rpm, based on Fedora. [04:22] later guys [04:22] cu [04:22] fbird out. :) [04:22] Shingoshi, I am not sure what you are asking, but as I said, I got Crossover Linux working on Slackware64 [04:22] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [04:23] night fir [04:23] That's good enough here. [04:23] Shingoshi, http://darkstar.ist.utl.pt/bluewhite64/bluewhite64-12.2/extra/ia32-emulation/ [04:23] frullet (n=hooch@124-171-59-81.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:24] That was suggested to me by arny [04:24] Arirang: I'm looking into all of this now. Thanks!! [04:25] I like the fact they are also concentrating on rebuilding Slacky.eu. [04:26] be back later [04:26] evening ;) [04:26] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.188.249) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:27] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:29] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:31] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [04:35] buggre all thiss [04:36] *yaaawwn* Morning [= [04:36] fox2430 (n=Miranda@121.8.142.236) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:36] gute morgen [04:37] how much liquid is in a shot of whatever? 1.5oz? [04:37] <_RadioHead> morning Urchlay :) [04:37] _RadioHead [04:37] oh man I love iftop :) this is great haha [04:37] iftop... kinda like bmon or iptraf? [04:38] lf4: ntop is also handy. :P [04:40] stramge thought I just had [04:40] anybody here ever play an old video game called 1942? [04:40] (or 1943) [04:41] chopp: any advantages of ntop over iftop? [04:42] Urchlay: you mean 1945? [04:42] you fly a plane and blow up battleships & aircraft carriers [04:42] i got that one on the PS2 :-) [04:42] it's cool [04:42] they made a few sequels (1942, 1943, 1944, maybe 1945 too) [04:43] oh nice [04:43] the weird thing about it: the game is most definitely Japanese in origin (everything about its design, and the fact that it was made by a japanese company...) [04:43] dont forget 1946 1947 1948 1950 ;) [04:43] but all the enemy ships you blow up, are named after Japanese ships from World War II [04:44] that, to me, is bizarre [04:44] lf4: depends on exactly how involved you want to get on monitoring I guess. :P [04:45] chopp: :D time to blot this system because this xorg issue is not being resolved I will mess with it and then probably end up formating and redoing it. :P [04:45] installing ntop ;) [04:45] tooly (n=theo@e178181195.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [04:45] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:46] eh, xorg blew up on you? [04:46] happened to me before, only it was called xfree86 back then... [04:46] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.91.173) joined ##slackware. [04:46] Urchlay: haha didnt you know about my magical reboot? [04:47] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.74.100) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:48] eh? you wave your magic wand, or sacrifice a chicken, and it reboots? [04:48] probably a bad habit to get into [04:48] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.188) joined ##slackware. [04:48] Urchlay: doesnt work. [04:48] haha Urchlay something like that only it was a goat that was sacrificed haha [04:49] compl3x: what doesn't? [04:49] problem is when it started back up my res went from 1680x1050 to 1024x768 and I've been messing with xorg and the drivers for 5 days now lol [04:49] lf4: so... what did you break? [04:49] ouch [04:49] Urchlay: Sacraficing the chicken ;) - was joking :p [04:49] everything Urchlay I break it all hahaha [04:49] 1024x768 stretched on a widescreen monitor will make you go crosseyes [04:49] s/s$/d/ [04:50] Urchlay: Yeah its all nice and pretty lol at least I use my laptop for GUI (when I need it). [04:51] I don't understand though... what caused the breakage? [04:52] (been using Linux for many moons, and it never breaks unless something changes...) [04:52] Urchlay: FF locked up and I could not even kill -9 it and so I figured reboot was the only way and boom goes xorg :D [04:53] lf4: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key [04:54] AWWW frullet why did you not tell me that before I rebooted ;) haha [04:54] thanks I'll remember that from now on. [04:54] lf4: my bad :) [04:55] weird [04:56] though firefox used to freeze up on me for a minute or two sometimes when watching youtubr, when I was running a 64-bit browser with 32-bit flash plugin + nspluginwrapper [04:56] (it would always recover eventually if I was patient) [04:57] Urchlay: I'm impatient haha just kidding... FF would basically go all whitescreen on me. [04:57] I did figure out it had to do with the flashplayer plugin. [04:57] yeah, flash is the bane of our existence [04:58] even when it's working correctly, 95% of what it does is annoying crap [04:58] opera freezes on me everyday [04:58] reminds me. Anyone know if a 64-bit Linux version of Opera exists? [04:59] flash just is not usable in linux [04:59] not now,don't know ever [04:59] stillborn: actually so flash works pretty good for youtube in slackware64 [04:59] opera is just slow for me lol [05:00] yeah, for youtube it works [05:00] but like prizee it don't [05:00] but really, flash isn't "usable" at all (it's almost exactly the opposite of usable) [05:00] never heard of prizee [05:00] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-81-46.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:01] Does this script work for any of you? http://www.intuitive.com/wicked/showscript.cgi?065-moviedata.sh [05:01] It should pull info of imdb [05:01] http://en.prizee.com/ [05:01] grissiom (n=grissiom@219.239.227.225) joined ##slackware. [05:01] I can watch youtube, homestarrunner.com, and play this game called "crazy chess"..... which is about all I use flash for [05:01] Urchlay: :P [05:01] abblock keeps it from running most of the time [05:02] hate addblock [05:02] eh? how can you hate it? [05:02] Erreur 502 [05:02] Votre requete n'a pas pu aboutir [05:02] can't have cheap flight when it's on [05:02] :D [05:03] thanks for that, it's not enough your site's broken, you can't even skeap spenglish in the error message [05:03] it's english for me [05:03] but i'm not english [05:03] Tis english here - apart from the top flash [05:03] if I were more sober I probably could figure out French language error message [05:03] from finland me, place where linux was born [05:04] cool [05:04] what's finland actually like? [05:04] shit [05:04] prefer china more [05:04] work there also [05:04] (I read some historical fiction where finland is full of barbarians and reindeer, but it can't really be that way now...) [05:04] it is [05:04] hahaha [05:04] reindeers i mean [05:05] so which is Torvalds? barbarian or reindeer? :) [05:05] and drunken guys that kills other people [05:05] barbarian if u ask me [05:05] think all countries have drunks (or crackheads/etc) that kill people [05:05] we got em here in the "civilized" USA [05:06] just yesterday in my neighbour, man killed a girl [05:06] and 2 were wounden [05:06] wounded perhaps [05:06] yeah, wounded [05:06] any idea why? did he say? [05:06] no [05:10] ouu s asd  asdasd asds asdasdwtf [05:10] apparently I havbe found the magic keystroke combiunatgion that freezes screen.irssi [05:10] [A[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/[Z [C[6~[6~[6~[6~ [05:10] asd wtf [05:10] whiskey tango foxtrot [05:10] still here? [05:10] irssi is plying with me too [05:10] sometimes del works, sometimes not [05:11] like now,,,i mean backspace ;( [05:11] :) [05:11] eh, I don't think I've pressed my Del key in 10 years [05:11] backspace OTOH I use all the time [05:11] or X [05:11] i use it all the time,,to save some ink [05:11] :D [05:11] hm, apparently the Del key does work for me (just tried it) [05:12] no idea what I did just now to freeze irssi, I hit random keys until it unfroze [05:12] (what I get for drinking vodka + typing) [05:12] yesterday irssi logged me out but still i was in [05:12] weird [05:12] but my history went away [05:13] normally irssi works fine for me, or I wouldn't be using it [05:13] yeah, better use weechat dev [05:13] nah [05:13] or pidgin :P [05:13] weechat doesn't do perl scripting (or if it does, I bet it's not the same API irssi uses) [05:14] can't stand gui apps for text-based serviced like IRC [05:14] martian (n=xtd8865@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [05:14] like plugin for FF [05:14] never tried? [05:14] yuck [05:15] irc from within a web browser? *vomit* [05:15] i havent ,just heard it [05:15] lol [05:15] http://unkart.ovh.org/ncmpcpp/ <3 [05:16] but bear in mind, for the first 10-12 years I used a computer, the mouse either hadn't been invented or I couldn't afford anything fancy that used one [05:16] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:16] to me, the way I learned to interact with computer was by typing commands at them [05:16] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.91.173) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:16] i didn't have mouse either, just dos 3.1, that was fancy enough [05:17] and c64 c128 amiga [05:17] c128 with floppy disc [05:17] :D [05:17] I had (still have) an Atari 800 and later an 800XL [05:18] floppy disk, 300 baud modem, dot-matrix printer, yeah [05:18] i still have c64 and over 1000 games to it [05:18] nice games still [05:18] yeah, the c64 has some good ones [05:19] being an atari owner I was always jealous of "Impossible Mission" [05:19] bubble bobble, dragons lair, who wants war <3 [05:19] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:19] dragons lair for the c64? very different from the arcade game then? [05:19] shisen-so is my new fav [05:20] don't know any other that c64 dragons lair [05:20] nik (n=nik@accweb.evergreen.edu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:20] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:20] yeah, dragon's lair was an arcade game with a laserdisc player built in [05:21] k [05:21] was a cartoon, but damn well animated [05:21] ur in some position in slackware Urchlay ?? [05:22] who, me? nah, I just use it a lot [05:22] (and have been a long time) [05:22] k, just followed this channel for some time, and some regular users use it all day [05:22] is only in the past couple years I thought of giving back to the community some [05:23] Action: stillborn is coming from zenwalk [05:23] but i use slackware in that machine that my gf don't use [05:23] (to be fair, I didn't ask for much from the community for a long time either. Buy a CD set every couple years, install it, run it until I break it, start over) [05:24] did it break lol [05:24] I don' even know what zenwalk is [05:24] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:24] Heya,folks....How's everyone? [05:24] only times slack has broke is because I broke it (trying to do something "clever") [05:24] MLanden [05:24] Heya,Urchlay...wassup? [05:24] yeah ,,i'm mister clever [05:24] MLanden: fairly well buzzed considering I had one (1) drink [05:25] (mind you, a fairly large drink... still sorta surprised) [05:25] Zombie..icepick....bloody mary?!?..:D [05:25] i have this force habbit to install slack and make it act like zenwalk [05:25] i just got home at 5 am [05:25] nay, a black russian [05:25] oh you chmod the wrong perms of criticial files ? [05:25] and now having beer for breakfast [05:26] gf didn't like it [05:26] Urchlay: that'll do it... ;) [05:26] gone now [05:27] white russian ,,that's what we drink ;) [05:27] or kossu battery [05:27] black russian is just a white russian minus the cream/milk [05:28] not really lactose intolerant, but alcohol + milk messes up my stomach [05:28] kossu battery is finnish vodka and energy drink, very good [05:28] ugh, "energy drinks" uniformly taste like ass [05:28] lol [05:28] hear ya,urchlay...never fancied milk and booze is one sitting [05:28] hey, I had some Finnish vodka not long ago [05:28] didn't try any ass though [05:28] will remember what it's called in a minute [05:29] Finnmjork, maybe [05:29] not [05:29] not 100% sure. Was pretty good though [05:29] finlandia wodka [05:29] maybe so [05:29] stillborn[.config]$ mpc [05:29] Five Finger Death Punch - The Bleeding [05:29] [playing] #4/4 0:09/4:29 (3%) [05:29] Channel flood from stillborn -- kicking [05:29] volume: 56% repeat: off random: off [05:29] stillborn kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [05:30] stillborn (n=stillbor@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff71c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [05:30] heh [05:30] fail [05:30] that fucker here too [05:30] Action: MLanden starts humming Dr. Feelgood's Mllk and Alcohol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ySdocMeBW8 [05:31] wish i good meet him [05:31] you think IRC bots are annoying... there was a channel I used to hang out in, one of the channel ops died [05:31] like in a car wreck [05:31] "him" [05:31] but his client stayed connected for a couple months after [05:31] LordAnta (n=alex@141.85.252.190) joined ##slackware. [05:32] with its various scripts that would kick people... closest anybody's come to a literal ghost [05:32] fucken creepy to get banned by a guy who's dead [05:32] lol [05:32] slackboy often saves our ass from flood :) [05:32] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.251) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:32] very creepy indeed...Ghost In the machine creepy [05:32] there's another one [05:33] Camarade_Tux: [05:33] :P [05:33] :) [05:33] (remember that at one point more than 30% of the lines I wrote contained happy face smmileys ;) ) [05:34] i'm feeling muj is about to join [05:34] :O really?.... :D [05:35] anyone uses ncmpcpp here? [05:36] How's things goin', Camarade_Tux? [05:37] paissad_ (n=paissad@12.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [05:38] Pretty cool prog, stillborn.. Checkin' out their screenshots [05:38] <3 it [05:39] you get much coolness points while using it [05:39] grissiom (n=grissiom@219.239.227.225) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:42] LordAnta (n=alex@141.85.252.190) left irc: "Leaving" [05:43] MuJ (i=muttilai@so.stnd.net) joined ##slackware. [05:43] so,i see stillborn [05:45] MLanden, nice, thanks, and you ? [05:45] Just chillin' for the early morn' thanks Camarade_Tux [05:47] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [05:47] stillborn, why should I use ncmp(cpp) over mplayer ? [05:47] reaver__ (n=reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [05:48] brb :) [05:48] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-81-46.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [05:49] alias bear="mplayer http://66.244.221.250/cfbr" :) [05:49] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [05:50] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-81-46.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:50] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:52] Cool,chopp...ever listen to CHEZ in Ottawa? [05:52] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable233.40-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:53] nope [05:53] elderK (n=Administ@122-57-252-54.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left ##slackware. [05:54] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: "Leaving" [05:55] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable233.40-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [05:58] Another good one is Planet Rock UK or Radio Wazee [06:00] whats there url's? [06:03] Planet Rock mms://venus.radica.com/planetrock Radio Wazee http://208.113.210.24:8000/ [06:04] thanks :) [06:04] Thanks for the Bear [06:06] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [06:07] chopp..CHEZ from ottawa mms://38.99.208.186/chez?MSWMExt=.asf [06:07] awsome [06:07] np [06:10] toytoy (n=dindin@112.202.44.242) joined ##slackware. [06:10] YES, shuttle astronauts finally got the "suit up" order. Maybe a shuttle landing today. :) [06:11] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-156-31.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:11] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A76A0A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:12] greetings [06:12] Heya, slackytude [06:12] y0 MLanden [06:13] How's the afternoon treatin' you, slackytude? [06:14] MLanden, fine so far, great weather. how bout you? [06:15] Not too bad for the early morn' thanks slackytude [06:15] nothing in the early morning a coffee wont cure [06:15] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: "SXEmacs - The Best A Geek Can Get - http://www.sxemacs.org/ or app-editors/sxemacs" [06:15] very true...:D [06:18] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [06:19] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A76A0A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:19] bah [06:19] <[z]imba> hey i was tryping to install fluxbox from source , but i cant find the startup script for fluxbox to be seen in xwmconfig [06:19] idle_ (n=idle@d199-74-168-16.try.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [06:19] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]" [06:19] <[z]imba> usually that script comes with the source [06:20] [z]imba, why? you need an xinitrc entry [06:20] [z]imba: its already isntalled with slackware isnt it o.0 [06:20] <[z]imba> slackytude< i cant start flux with startflux , it says no xserver running [06:21] [z]imba, you need to put the xinit for fluxbox into /etx/X11/xinit for it to show up in xwmconfig [06:21] <[z]imba> compl3x< im fan of source instal [06:21] well, good luck with that [06:21] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [06:21] [z]imba: but 12.2 / current comes with the latest fluxbox I can't see any benafits from source install unless your enabling libs [06:21] <[z]imba> slackytude2< i know that but i cant find the script [06:22] <[z]imba> compl3x< i'm enabling certain libs. [06:22] [z]imba: imlib2 ? :p [06:23] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A76A0A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:23] <[z]imba> :) [06:24] [z]imba, did you use a slackbuild? [06:25] <[z]imba> no , but regular make install . [06:25] :/ [06:25] *headdesk* [06:25] [z]imba: use a slackbuild - you can still configure it from there.. [06:25] [z]imba: it basically is a source build [06:25] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:26] <[z]imba> its not available with slackware right? [06:26] it is [06:26] for alll of the packages that come with slack [06:26] <[z]imba> let me ck .. but i didnt find [06:26] like fluxbox [06:27] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/source/xap/fluxbox/ [06:27] [z]imba: on your slackware iso.. /source/xap/fluxbox. [06:27] <[z]imba> yes im goin 4 that [06:27] the xinit is probably done on the fly [06:28] <[z]imba> testing .. brb [06:28] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: Client Quit [06:28] look inside the fluxbox.SlackBuild - shows you exactly how the xinit is done [06:29] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [06:29] <[z]imba> yepee... [06:29] <[z]imba> i did it [06:29] <[z]imba> nw in flux [06:29] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl10-116-200.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:30] <[z]imba> it was just a matter of coping flux.../util/startflux /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.flux [06:31] <[z]imba> slackytude2< compl3x chopp thank you guys . [06:31] [z]imba: I actually love fluxbox [= [06:31] you're welcome [06:31] <[z]imba> compl3x< im into it [06:31] paissad (n=paissad@12.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:31] <[z]imba> but now its compelete plain . [06:31] <[z]imba> here [06:32] <[z]imba> a light blue .theme .no idea if thats sm sort of error ? [06:32] <[z]imba> compl3x< btw which window manger are you using ./ [06:32] TFILE="/tmp/mv.$$.tmp" wget $IMDBURL$MOVIES -q -O - | $TFILE - thats two lines of my script but i get an error .. tmp/mv.8008.tmp no such file or directory.. any ideas [06:32] [z]imba: fluxbox ftw [06:32] <[z]imba> but its too limited right [06:33] <[z]imba> im planing to relpace it wit xfcewm4 [06:33] [z]imba: how is it limited - its the opposite [06:34] Action: compl3x is a n00b , just realised his mistake [06:34] <[z]imba> compl3x< ... oops... i will explore a bit ..a talk to u . that would be better : but i found it bit odd . anyway [06:35] [z]imba: yeah it seems a bit limited to start with, but it can be so powerfull when you get used to it [= [06:35] [z]imba: Of all the de's,flux has the easiest menu that can be configured on the fly [06:35] [z]imba: but at the end of the day - it depends on what you like [= [06:36] Zordrak_ (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:36] <[z]imba> :) [06:37] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:37] should xsession or .xinitrc start the WM? [06:37] .xsession [06:39] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [06:41] MLanden, xfce's menu is way easier to modify, imho [06:41] one of xfces biggest strengths [06:44] <[z]imba> slackytude2< yes ur right [06:45] I tend to be [06:45] what was I right with? [06:45] <[z]imba> im really xfce fan [06:45] oh, xfce [06:45] I like fluxbox as well, tho [06:45] and openbox [06:45] <3 fluxbox [06:45] paissad_ (n=paissad@12.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:45] but <3 xfce [06:45] <[z]imba> whell thats an long list u have [06:46] Im using linux a long time now [06:46] I had them all [06:46] dont like gnome much [06:46] Yes it is quite powerful I have to admit [06:46] <[z]imba> mee tooo [06:46] espically nautilus [06:46] slackytude2: do you change xwm every day? :P [06:46] stybla, once every two years or so [06:46] or when I feel like it [06:46] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: "Leaving" [06:47] I also access other linux systems [06:47] xfce's menu arrangement, I mean [06:47] slackytude2: :) [06:47] our school uses mainly kde and gnome [06:47] MLanden, aye [06:47] atleast they use linux. [06:47] kde 4.1 :( [06:47] slackytude2: ++ [06:47] xisxon (i=cwo_cube@114.121.108.69) joined ##slackware. [06:47] oh yeha. I think there are still some windows boxes around but far in between [06:48] the libraries have some [06:48] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-194-127.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [06:48] slackytude2, Germany? [06:48] yeah [06:48] and since its based on LDAP, the windows machines in the labs dont behave nicely [06:49] hmm - What would be the best method for finding a link in a html file in a bash script [06:49] they lose time sync and fill the desktop with crap. [06:49] compl3x, dont use bash [06:49] ovnicraft (i=1000@190.154.240.13) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:49] or have bash call a dedicated script to get the link [06:50] written in something else [06:50] slackytude2: Ill use bash if I wish :p - the question im asking is what would be the best method.. grep, awk etc.. [06:50] well, you only get regexp and they are not well suited for parsing bash [06:50] Lexus2 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:50] err parsing html [06:51] but if you insist make a regexp and use grep with extendend regexps [06:51] or awk [06:51] or a perl on-liner [06:51] slackytude2: yeah I was thinking grep with extregexp [06:51] I don't know perl. [06:51] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:51] regexp dont cut it with *ml [06:53] compl3x: well its time to learn [06:53] frullet: haha supose it is a bout time [06:53] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [06:53] Evenin', frullet ... How's everything? [06:57] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A76A0A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:57] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A76A0A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:58] bah [06:58] slackytude: Dammit,jim.....LOL...:D [06:58] heh [06:59] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-40-21.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:00] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:00] sorry 'bout that,slackytude [07:01] huh? no need to feel sorry [07:02] Action: slackytude drinks some coffee [07:03] take care,folks..bbiab [07:03] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [07:04] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [07:04] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A76A0A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:08] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A76A0A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:09] Mlanden: doing well mate yourself? [07:10] bah [07:10] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl9-246-66.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:11] slackytude2: hai thar [07:12] frullet, greetings! [07:17] heh, phone company guy was calling [07:17] or maybe I should say phone company gal [07:17] cos I was telling them to check lines, since we lose connection when it rains [07:18] hskill (n=homeskil@pool-173-58-199-136.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:18] now its 20C and everything worksfine of course [07:18] told me to replace our router [07:18] linux virtual consoles always use /dev/tty and terminal emulator windows (ie xterm, gnome-term) use /dev/pts right? [07:20] how come when i type 'tty' in the virtual console reached by pressing ctrl+alt+0, it says '/dev/tty1' and not /dev/tty0? [07:21] dios_mio (i=FREELOVE@88.242.166.221) joined ##slackware. [07:23] martian (n=xtd8865@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [07:23] unixfool (i=4421c1cc@about/slackware/wigglit) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [07:23] tooly (n=theo@e178181195.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware. [07:23] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:24] slackytude2: yeh, its always our fault not theres [07:24] oh well [07:24] our stuff here is 8 years old now [07:24] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-79626122207bb16a) joined ##slackware. [07:25] getting new stuff for 0 is fine by me [07:25] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:25] true, cant complain [07:25] morning everyone! [07:25] morning mziulu [07:25] afternoon [= [07:26] err, guys, why is that that google video says that a lot of lesbian videos are related to the quicksort tech talk i'm currently watching oO?! [07:27] :P [07:27] mziulu, there was a porn prank day [07:28] http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/05/4chan-ebaumsworld-carpet-bombing-youtube-with-porn-videos.ars [07:28] moxaking (n=moxaking@FL1-122-131-191-183.osk.mesh.ad.jp) joined ##slackware. [07:28] l [07:28] gah [07:28] y0 fred [07:28] slackytude2: also on google video? cause that's were the video is hosted! [07:29] Im guessing so [07:29] and is youtube part of google anyway [07:29] isnt [07:29] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.58.166) joined ##slackware. [07:29] yeah, i thought perhaps they weren't correlated! [07:29] kama (n=kama@host92-31-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:30] thanks for the insight! [07:30] any 1337 perl coders wanna help me out and write me a quick one-liner? [07:30] #perl [07:31] compl3x: shoot [07:31] most of the idiots at 4chan are not too bright anyway, i doubt the porn prank will be successful [07:31] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:31] frullet: just something that will find the first occourance of I thought that since i was feeling experimental going with slack64 I might as well give ext4 a try [07:42] Camarade_Tux, happens to me too [07:42] hmmm, sorry Herman and HeatHawk[AP2] [07:43] mziulu, ff's wonderbar makes the problem more visible btw [07:44] Action: Camarade_Tux adds '-ubuntu' to his google search as usual [07:44] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.86.200) joined ##slackware. [07:44] slackytude: no swedish! [07:44] Camarade_Tux: so it's something related particularly to firefox? maybe there's something wrong with ff on 64bit? [07:44] Herman, sorry ^-^ [07:44] I've been running ff3 on slamd64 without problem [07:45] slackytude: np ^^ [07:45] I am running firefox on slackware64 for hours on end, never seen it crash a single time [07:46] mziulu: try starting firefox from a terminal and by the time it starts acting weird, look if there is any error output in that terminal [07:46] alienBOB: hi! no crashes here either, it just stops being responsive and looks to be crunching a lot of data. [07:46] one day I'll find these mount options for ext4 [07:46] ok, will do, brb [07:47] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-79626122207bb16a) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [07:47] ever since 'upgrading' to slack64 FF hasnt crashed once.. [07:47] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [07:47] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.6.18) left irc: Connection timed out [07:48] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f6ab50ee342afda6) joined ##slackware. [07:48] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Dead socket [07:48] ok, let's see if it gives me any interesting output [07:48] fred, online? [07:48] actually ext4 shouldn't suffer from that problem [07:48] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:49] feinoM (n=feinom@svale.hia.no) joined ##slackware. [07:49] mziulu, also, regular hard drive or SSD ? [07:50] lunch, bbl :) [07:50] regular hard drive [07:50] enjoy! [07:50] nor does my firefox on slackware64 crash. alienBOB would I need vanilla qt in order to build your keepass? [07:52] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:52] and maybe you could strace it with timing options, that would show you what it is doing (flushing?) when your problem happens [07:52] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:54] I think that's a proble related to my firefox configuration tho, that maybe making the switch to 64 bit made more evident...a buggy extension or something... [07:54] s/proble/problem [07:56] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-9-231.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:59] xisxon (i=cwo_cube@114.121.108.69) left irc: [08:00] xisxon (n=xisxon@63.223.110.121) joined ##slackware. [08:01] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-9-231.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [08:02] xisxon (n=xisxon@63.223.110.121) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:04] nik (n=nik@accweb.evergreen.edu) joined ##slackware. [08:04] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-194-127.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:04] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:05] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.253) joined ##slackware. [08:05] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.58.166) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:05] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:10] chopp: I have not built keepass for a long time now. [08:11] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.82.234) joined ##slackware. [08:11] alienBOB: allright thanks. I'm building qt4 and going to try keepassx again. [08:13] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:13] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:14] <_RadioHead> hello alice_c [08:14] <_RadioHead> ups alienBOB [08:14] <_RadioHead> :) [08:14] <_RadioHead> TAB fault [08:16] alienBOB is now known as alienALICE [08:16] Action: chopp hides [08:16] <_RadioHead> chopp: :) [08:16] alice has a secret [08:18] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [08:19] frullet (n=hooch@124-171-59-81.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [08:19] <_RadioHead> slackytude: dude :) [08:20] _RadioHead, y0! [08:20] chopp: KeepassX works fine here [08:23] mziulu: yeah I've used it before, just liked using alienBOB's keepass as qt4 wasn't needed. [08:24] got it :) [08:25] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.253) left irc: "Leaving" [08:25] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.254) joined ##slackware. [08:29] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-156-31.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [08:33] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-249.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:33] evo_ (n=evo@p5DDE5E38.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:34] Heya,folks [08:34] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:34] wb MLanden [08:35] thanks,slackytude [08:35] ^-^ [08:35] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:37] usr13_ (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "leaving" [08:37] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:40] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5364780/Knifeman-copied-scene-from-The-Shining-as-he-attacked-paramedics.html [08:41] we need to ban violent movies [08:41] obviously [08:42] lol.....Here's Johnny....Well,mate here's Pepper.....:D [08:42] wont change a thing, humans have been violent since humans walked the earth thousands of years ago [08:42] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE6E83.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:42] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:43] i blame violent cave paintings! [08:43] true,Pig_Pen....damn Ugh had to pick up that rock and get his rage on...:D [08:43] ugga ugga [08:45] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: [08:46] compl3x: Gabba Gabba Hey..:D [08:47] :P [08:51] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [08:55] Hmm I swear the perl guys don't under stand the concept of one liner :/ [08:56] well the one person who replied to me XD [08:56] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-194-127.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [08:57] alicephilippa (n=alice@217.146.125.17) joined ##slackware. [08:57] seeming as its pretty empty in here atm, any of you guys want to try give me a hand, perl lot weren't the greatest of help :/ [08:58] lol! maybe those perl guys have narrow monitors :D [08:58] haha [08:59] Pig_Pen: What?!? On LED displays?...:D [08:59] na they're on 16x2 lcd displays [08:59] they must have set em up sideways [09:00] yeah [09:00] :p [09:00] :D [09:00] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:00] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:00] i like my monitor, i have a 26 inch LCD HDTV for a monitor, it reduced my PC to just another channel on TV [09:02] 42" :) [09:02] pft.. 52" [09:02] eh 15" [09:02] 52" here aswell [09:02] 22" 17" 17" "17" and 52" [09:02] there is a display that is several dozens of meters wide too :) [09:02] I love my monitors/tv's :p [09:02] but it's only 16x16 >< [09:04] slackytude, haven't progressed at all on my countdown :) [09:06] heh [09:07] btw, reminds me of somebody : he had a blue&white TV, 10" and 4" [09:07] 10" was the depth, 4" was the diagonal [09:08] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:08] lol [09:08] Camarade_Tux: Old SECAM? [09:09] when we first saw it, we thought it was a minitel (I don't know if anybody outside France now what a minitel is) [09:09] MLanden, I can't really say, I was 2 or 3 meters away and that TV was so tiny... :p [09:09] i seen little am/fm radio/tv things for sale for cheap since broadcoasters switched to digital, nobody was buying them [09:11] Camarade_Tux: hmmm [09:12] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [09:13] btw, for your culture : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel (yes, that concurrenced internet, note that we wouldn't have to stand web2.0 with that) [09:15] is there a way with wget to list all url's in a page? - ive found a method that trys to conenct to each one but not just list them.. [09:15] fevel (n=fevel@201.19.107.106) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:15] (wikipedia tells me it wasn't only in france but it also tells me miniral wasn't widespread elsewhere) [09:15] omg the Minitel... [09:16] Camarade_Tux: interesting topic [09:16] Many french families must have one, rotting somewhere in each house in the land... [09:17] one or two :p [09:17] or more :] [09:18] Camarade_Tux: What about BBS's during that time? [09:18] Bulletin boards? [09:19] or what? [09:19] bulletin boards [09:20] they were never as widespread in europa as in the us [09:20] MLanden, ppfff, "minitel rose" <- pr0n on the minitel :) [09:20] that was the only true minitel ^^ [09:20] with the possible exception of the uk [09:21] I probably don't fully understand what you mean with bulletin boards : forums (phpBB, punbb, ...) or something else ? [09:21] Camarade_Tux, the German version was called BTX [09:22] Camarade_Tux: hear ya.....sweet 256 color pr0n...:D [09:22] Camarade_Tux, something you could dial-in via modem [09:22] MLanden, 16 colors at most I guess :p [09:22] Camarade_Tux, not a european thing, really. but it was big in the US [09:22] Camarade_Tux must be quite young not to know the original bulletinboards [09:22] alienBOB, 21 [09:23] Camarade_Tux, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildschirmtext [09:23] BTX was our MiniTel [09:24] I leeched software from BBS'es on a 1200 baud connection 21 years ago [09:24] the CCC got famous for cracking it hard [09:24] as far as I can see, I am just to young to have experienced BBS [09:25] He3HauKa (n=seenka@balticom-172-25.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [09:25] I have to find my minitel :p [09:26] crap, probably dead =/ [09:26] let it rest in peace [09:26] it served it purpose [09:27] alienBOB, my first modem was a 9.6 ^-^ [09:27] well, not mine [09:27] my dad's actually [09:28] playing doom by modem was great fun [09:28] Heh [09:28] if it was working [09:29] my first experience with internet was probably AOL dial-up on a P1 Pro 200MHz, my current CPU maybe has more cache memory than this computer had RAM :p [09:29] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:29] eh, AOL [09:29] thank god its dead [09:29] but I'm glad it lived :) [09:29] Unfortunatly AOL isn't dead - my mate uses it :/ [09:29] we once had an compserv account [09:29] and ironically we have AOL in england [09:30] and I'm glad some subscription was "bundled" with the computer [09:30] compl3x, slap him [09:30] what do they call it in england? EOL :D [09:30] slackytude: i always do [09:30] Pig_Pen: haha [09:30] Pig_Pen: lol [09:30] End of line lol if only [09:30] Pig_Pen, nah, it was called Aol in Germany as well ^-^ [09:30] lol [09:30] and now in France, optic fiber (100MB/s symmetric) costs 30Ź per month :) [09:30] :o [09:30] : [09:31] stupid tab. [09:31] everywhere? or just Paris/big cities? [09:31] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-194-127.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:31] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Client Quit [09:31] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: [09:32] i never used aol, but i used to fix this computer for this woman that did, and after a clean win98 install i would sit back and have a beer while she would install AOL and the things that would do in a web browser made me cringe [09:32] slackytude, where it is available (most parts of big cities, but also smaller ones) [09:32] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [09:32] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [09:32] Action: slackytude nods [09:32] same here. In bigger cities you are basically flooded with offers like that [09:32] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.82.234) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:33] once you go rural it goes down to 2x DSL or something [09:33] Pig_Pen: hear ya [09:34] but every city with 1000+ people, you get 16x DSL flat + phone flat for around 25 euro [09:34] Pig_Pen: How long was her computer clean after the install? 'Bout 10 minutes? 20 max?...:D [09:34] fgdfas (n=dfgdf@91-114-239-167.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:34] fgdfas (n=dfgdf@91-114-238-213.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [09:34] frullet (n=hooch@124-171-59-81.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:34] I remember when I wooted because I got 3.5Kb/s on aol ;p [09:34] heh [09:34] polatov (n=polatov@88.204.253.209) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:35] Im willing to pay any sed expert here with sex for some help :p [09:35] polatov (n=polatov@92.47.25.196) joined ##slackware. [09:35] crap, 21 y-o and I'm already feeling nostalgia, I'm doomed =/ [09:35] Camarade_Tux, yes, you are [09:35] Camarade_Tux: still the same problem? [09:35] compl3x, hmmmmmmmmmmmm [09:35] compl3x, sex with whom? [09:35] need pics first [09:35] slackytude: you choose. Ill bring them to you :p [09:36] compl3x, eh, that sounds like Ill get a visit from the police soon afterwards. [09:36] slackytude: probably [09:36] compl3x, Marylin Monroe ? [09:36] frullet :) [09:36] I think I'll pass then [09:37] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:37] MLanden: if you ask me it got infected as soon as she inserted the AOL cd, but her son would surf porn and get viruses & malware and mess it up a couple of times a month [09:37] If I wanted to rape someone I could do that alone [09:37] less witnesses -_- [09:37] Camarade_Tux: hows it? :) [09:37] only 286 witnesses here :) [09:37] heh [09:38] frullet, nice, and you ? :) [09:39] Camarade_Tux: cant complain [09:39] Anakin- (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [09:39] Pig_Pen: Hear ya [09:40] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:41] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.254.254.43) joined ##slackware. [09:42] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:42] 22° C and rising [09:44] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:44] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [09:44] miguelrios (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) joined ##slackware. [09:44] hmm, anyone tell me what the \1/ip;T;q means in this sed statment sed -n 's/.*\(.*\)<\/title>.*/\1/ip;T;q' [09:45] <slackytude> compl3x, regexp for html is bad [09:45] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:46] <frullet> there nothing but a mess [09:46] <compl3x> slackytude: ive been trying all afternoon to strip the locations of links in a html file - I'm past caring what is bad :P - I just want it done ]= [09:46] <slackytude> compl3x, take a look at Beatiful Soup [09:47] <compl3x> slackytude: tis is only for a tiny bit of a shell script - dont wan't anything big [09:47] <slackytude> http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/ [09:47] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:47] <compl3x> slackytude: don't really want deps' [09:47] Action: slackytude shrugs [09:47] <slackytude> it would be like two lines in python but do your thing [09:48] <compl3x> slackytude: i wouldn't mind deps - but im trying to make it portable [09:48] <frullet> compl3x: give me more of an example of what you want to acheive and ill give the regex a whirl.. [09:48] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, it's not a single block : it's \1, and then ip which are modifiers and then T and q which are separate [09:48] <compl3x> frullet: Im trying to strip a html page of all the <a href=.. so I end up with a list of urls. [09:49] <frullet> compl3x: give me a full example of the url [09:49] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [09:50] <compl3x> frullet: what im trying to find..? <a href="/title/tt1114740/" [09:50] <compl3x> but not tt11 etc just <a href="/title/* [09:50] <frullet> compl3x: ok, two seconds [09:51] <compl3x> frullet: thank you :) [09:51] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, lol, imdb ? :) [09:51] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: yeah - their url structures so annoying , why can't they have /moviename :p [09:53] <slackytude> soup(URL); for link in soup.findall('a'): print link [09:53] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, had a look at http://www.imdb.com/interfaces ? [09:53] <Camarade_Tux> and http://www.trynt.com/trynt-movie-imdb-api/ [09:54] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, nice [09:54] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: :| [09:55] <Camarade_Tux> and you can fid APIs for python, ruby, ... :) [09:55] <slackytude> ocallm ^-^ [09:56] <Camarade_Tux> Herman, I think there's no imdb api in ocaml [09:56] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.254) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:57] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: those links where okay - but its all databases [09:57] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.254.254.43) left irc: "leaving" [09:57] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, there surly is a GET request or ocalm [09:57] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, what are you looking for actually ? [09:58] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude, oh yeah, networking support in ocaml is great :) [09:58] <compl3x> to be able to pull information about a movie- even current movies [09:58] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: that second link seems like a good choice - but its not working. [09:59] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.15.67) joined ##slackware. [10:00] <slackytude> compl3x, works for me [10:00] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.25.167) joined ##slackware. [10:00] <slackytude> just slow [10:00] <slackytude> lots of films with foo in the name [10:00] <compl3x> slackytude: even when I wait it doesn't do my request - unless i leave title blank [10:01] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.132.178) joined ##slackware. [10:01] <slackytude> Lo foo chut gang [10:01] <compl3x> slackytude: if i can get sed to work nicley , my method should be 100x faster and more updated [10:02] <Camarade_Tux> have you tried reading what's in ftp://ftp.fu-berlin.de/pub/misc/movies/database/ ? [10:03] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: nice- but i still want to do it my way :p [10:04] <slackytude> works fine [10:04] <slackytude> lots of movies with bar in them as well [10:04] <slackytude> you can lead a horse to water..... [10:05] <slackytude> or was it a donkey? [10:06] <Camarade_Tux> compl3x, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HhAcvlCPb4 ? =) [10:07] <Camarade_Tux> hmm, crappy link actually [10:07] <compl3x> Camarade_Tux: haha [10:07] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.132.178) left irc: "Leaving" [10:07] <Camarade_Tux> :) [10:07] <Camarade_Tux> I'd like to find a link to some metal song :D [10:07] Elriquezz (n=elric_@host224-248-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:08] <Elriquezz> hello people [10:08] <Elriquezz> does anyone know how can i flush DNS cache in slack ? [10:08] <slackytude> eh [10:08] <slackytude> what do you use for caching? [10:09] <slackytude> bind, dnsmasq? [10:09] <slackytude> dnsmasq will flush on SIG_USR I think [10:09] <frullet> compl3x: sorry, gf was harrasing me ill get onto it now [10:09] <compl3x> frullet: haha thank you :) [10:13] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:14] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. 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[10:26] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:26] <rg3> Elriquezz: then there's no such thing as a dns cache in your system; all your dns queries go to your isp's cache or the one from your router or something like that [10:26] <slackytude> yeah, everything is in resolv.conf then [10:27] <frullet> compl3x: slowely getting through it, just being harrased by the missus [10:27] <compl3x> frullet: haha I know what its like - no rush was just seeing how its going :) [10:27] <compl3x> frullet: at least your missus lets you on irc when shes around [10:28] <frullet> compl3x: not without a fight she doesnt :) [10:28] <compl3x> frullet: haha [10:32] <Starchaser> who is controls topic? [10:32] <dyn0myt3> /topic [10:32] <BP{k}> Starchaser: the ops do. [10:32] <slackytude> with a iron fist [10:32] <dyn0myt3> and a rubber mallet [10:32] <BP{k}> wrapped in barbed wire and baconlube. [10:34] <Pig_Pen> Starchaser [n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru] is from soviet russia [10:34] gypsydawg (n=mike@71.197.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:34] <compl3x> iron .. .ru lol ;p [10:34] <slackytude> with an iron wall then [10:35] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: [10:35] <Pig_Pen> more like an iron curtain [10:35] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-164-37.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:35] <BP{k}> Starchaser: Why? What's wrong with the topic? [10:36] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:36] <Pig_Pen> i think it was Winston Churchil that first said that [10:36] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:37] <slackytude> Pig_Pen, ah, ture [10:37] <slackytude> true even [10:38] <Pig_Pen> Starchaser: dont be shy, if you are having problems with Slackware on your PC we will try to help you fix it [10:39] <Starchaser> Pig_Pen: do you have problems with soviet russia? [10:39] <slackytude> what kind of question is that? [10:41] <Starchaser> slackytude: just want to put one slackware-repated project url there... [10:41] <BP{k}> Starchaser: what project? [10:42] <Starchaser> slackfind.net [10:42] <Pig_Pen> i think you need to work on your english so we can better understand what you are trying to say [10:42] <Starchaser> Pig_Pen: i know, thanks [10:42] Nick change: laj_ -> laj [10:42] <Dominian> HA! [10:42] <BP{k}> Starchaser: I doubt sincerely that will _ever_ happen. [10:43] <Dominian> Finally found what was uploading those damn malicious files [10:43] <Pig_Pen> Starchaser: have you been to http://www.slackbuilds.org/ ? [10:43] <Starchaser> Pig_Pen: yes. so? [10:43] <hitest> Dominian: ? [10:43] <BP{k}> Starchaser: for one that site mention websites that a good 90% of the regulars will not touch with a 20meter long bargepole. [10:43] <Pig_Pen> do tell Dominian [10:43] <Dominian> I'll let the log speak for itself: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14023 [10:44] <hitest> click [10:44] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [10:44] <BP{k}> not to mention, that side is not affiliated with slackware in anyway. As you notice, not even projects like SlackBuilds.org make it in the ##slackware topic. [10:44] <Pig_Pen> noobfarm? [10:44] <Dominian> Pig_Pen: the bugs.noobfarm.org site [10:44] <Dominian> which is running mantis [10:44] <Dominian> I've shut it down for now [10:45] <pprkut> BP{k}: sbo is in the topic ;) [10:45] <BP{k}> oh fuck me. How much fail can I have. :) [10:45] Action: BP{k} goes back into his dark corner and goes back to more coffee. [10:46] <pprkut> heh [10:46] <Pig_Pen> i like my coffee like i like my women, black, cold and bitter ;p [10:46] <hitest> :) [10:46] Action: XGizzmo_ gives BP{k} a fail waffle to snack on. :P [10:46] <hitest> sounds like my ex [10:47] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.13.217) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:47] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.86.200) left irc: "Leaving." [10:47] <compl3x> frullet: im going afk for a bit [= thanks again :) [10:48] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.40.203) joined ##slackware. [10:49] <Dominian> hrm [10:49] <Dominian> chdir to / by /usr/sbin/httpd [10:49] <Dominian> that bothers me [10:49] Jean` (n=jean@93-36-227-142.ip62.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [10:50] Jean` (n=jean@93-36-227-142.ip62.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:50] <Dominian> may have to turn on chroot enforcement.. [10:50] <slackytude> Dominian, still that old issue? [10:55] <pprkut> Starchaser: Don't get us wrong. It's not that nobody appreciates your work (which was certainly a lot), but in it's current state it's not really useful for neither regulars nor new users [10:56] <thrice`> and since your search provides links to commonly not-so-recommended sources [10:56] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "De profvndis clamo ad te Domine." [10:57] <Starchaser> thrice`: can you give me list of these sources? [10:57] <pprkut> Starchaser: a first thing you could do is doing some research on the repos you search in and provide the user with some information on how trusted they are [10:57] <Dominian> slackytude: aye [10:58] <slackytude> Dominian, sux [10:58] <Dominian> slackytude: thought it was slackadelic or noobfarm.org.. turns out it was mantis hehe [10:58] <Dominian> slackytude: well grsecurity caught it.. and the way that /tmp is mounted stopped them from executing it [10:58] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:59] <slackytude> Dominian, gotts love it when paranoia pays itself [10:59] <Dominian> heh [11:00] <Dominian> well eventually I'm going to implement RBAC [11:00] <slackytude> via grsec? [11:00] <heret|c> <Alucard> is the reason r2-d2 beeps so much because someone fucked up the alsa drivers? [11:00] <heret|c> lol [11:00] <Dominian> slackytude: yep [11:00] <slackytude> nifty [11:00] <Dominian> slackytude: Been experiementing with it on a VM [11:00] <slackytude> heret|c, noobfarm [11:01] <pprkut> Starchaser: for example: linuxpackages.net, though certainly a big repository, has a really bad reputation in the Slackware community [11:01] <Dominian> slackytude: got it working fine for a default slackware-current install.. need to work on slowly adding in mysql, postfix, maia mailguard and everything else I use.. then I can move the policy to slackadelic and turn it on [11:01] <heret|c> bash.org [11:01] <Dominian> Starchaser: http://slackadelic.com/2007/04/11/linuxpackagesnet-intentionally-malicious/ [11:01] <BP{k}> Starchaser: http://www.noobfarm.org/?id=1095 [11:02] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:04] <alienBOB> Dominian: I still believe that was a bad april fools joke, not a real threat [11:04] <Dominian> alienBOB: possibly [11:04] <Dominian> but we'll never know [11:05] maha (i=amg@unaffiliated/maha) left ##slackware. [11:05] <Dominian> and they never posted anything to the contrary either.. so the only thing left is the assumption that it was fact. [11:06] <compl3x> anyone tried finding the package? [11:07] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f6ab50ee342afda6) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [11:08] <Dominian> alienBOB: Trust me, I *hope* it was a joke, I really do. The opinions I have about lp.net are shared amongst a lot of Slackers, but my hope is it wasn't truth. [11:08] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) joined ##slackware. [11:09] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.40.203) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:10] <Pig_Pen> i think slackbuilds.org is a lot better, if you build your own packages then you dont have the problems that would occur from installing third party packages that were built on unclean systems causing either dependency problems or even downright malicious [11:10] <Dominian> aye [11:10] <MLanden> true [11:10] <Dominian> Well, not to mention, half the staff of SBo is actually *on* the Slackware dev team [11:10] <Dominian> well maybe not half, but you get the picture. [11:10] <Pig_Pen> that is a big plus ++ [11:10] <Dominian> aye [11:11] <Dominian> and SBo has done a lot of great things for Slackware that just wasn't there before. [11:11] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:11] <Dominian> not to mention gave builds.slamd64.com something to pull from of working scripts for migration to x86_64 [11:12] <slackytude> slackware has become a lot more sexy with sbo [11:12] <Pig_Pen> someday when i have some extra cabbage in my wallet i will build an awesome x86_64 bit system [11:12] <Stx> alienBOB: hey [11:12] <Stx> alienBOB: there should indeed be an approved GCF, let me look into it. [11:12] <BP{k}> slackytude: now there is an advertising campaign slogo ;) [11:13] <slackytude> heh [11:13] <Dominian> Stx is here.. wtf [11:13] <Dominian> Stx is NEVER here ;) [11:13] <slackytude> $500 please [11:13] <slackytude> its my IP [11:14] <Dominian> BP{k}: SBo... the "lingerie" of Slackware [11:14] <Pig_Pen> the bad news is the job contract i am working will be complete very soon, there is another job coming up but it is out of town (30 miles away) [11:14] <slackytude> so, 60 miles per day to travel on job and back? [11:14] miguelrios (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:14] <BP{k}> Dominian: thanks, now I am officially disturbed. [11:15] <BP{k}> I shall have to consume copius amounts of beer to over come this ;) [11:15] <Pig_Pen> yup 60 miles a day x5 days a week = lots of gas [11:15] <Stx> Dominian: Im always monitoring ;o) [11:15] <slackytude> Pig_Pen, sucks :( [11:15] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.96.246) joined ##slackware. [11:16] <slackytude> probably cheaper to rent something on site for under the week [11:16] <Pig_Pen> makes me wish i had a medium sized motorcycle to use once i get all my tools out there (if there is a unit i can put a lock on the door) [11:16] <Dominian> Stx: hehe [11:16] <Dominian> BP{k}: Well, I can just imagine th enew logo of SBo.. with fishnet stockins or something [11:16] <Pig_Pen> apartment complex, lots of rooms i can lock once the exterior doors are installed [11:17] <slackytude> Pig_Pen, on the other hand, its good to have a job [11:17] <slackytude> Dominian, solid idea [11:17] <Pig_Pen> yup, you're not kidding either [11:18] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [11:18] Hallx (n=seila@201-92-21-98.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:18] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.3) joined ##slackware. [11:20] zmisc (i=zachary@adsl-69-209-120-231.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. 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[11:27] <thrice`> so descriptive [11:28] <slackytude> drink directly from the bottle then [11:28] <unixfool> lol [11:28] <Stx> :P [11:28] <unixfool> hole in lip syndrome [11:28] <Pig_Pen> i have trouble when its two girls and one CUPS ;p [11:28] <te_> I've entered a network printer and now the browser just keeps saying "An error occurred while loading http://office:631/admin/?op=set-printer-options&printer_name=HP5L: [11:28] <zmisc> Pig_Pen: @_@ [11:28] <te_> Unknown host office" [11:28] <zmisc> I recently signed up for the Air Force [11:29] <zmisc> kind of nervous [11:29] <slackytude> looks like office is an unknown host name [11:29] <Stx> There is a ##Cups channel, read the topic for the rules applying in there tho before asking. [11:29] <unixfool> yes [11:29] <unixfool> i was gonna say that [11:29] <Pig_Pen> air force? you should have picked the USMC, they will train you to be a real killer [11:29] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:29] <te_> "403 Forbidden" [11:30] <zmisc> unixfool: you were in the military correct, or was it your wife? [11:30] <te_> Stx; tnx [11:30] <Stx> te_: thats permission-related. [11:30] <unixfool> both [11:30] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [11:30] <unixfool> my wife just retired from the army [11:30] <zmisc> unixfool: would you recommend it? [11:30] <unixfool> yep [11:30] <te_> Yes, well maybe I'll just log in as root and try it? [11:30] <Dominian> unixfool in the military.... [11:30] <Dominian> that would scare me.. [11:31] <te_> Or, is that a problem with the server? [11:31] <Dominian> dunno if I'd wanna give him a gun... ;) [11:31] <Pig_Pen> heck yeah! join at 18 retire at 38 and draw a nice pension the rest of your life [11:31] <unixfool> haha [11:31] <slackytude> zmisc, wouldnt it be more clever to ask that before signing up? [11:31] <zmisc> unixfool: I've got a question for you but it relates to a channel, so I didn't want to spam the channel here [11:31] <Dominian> Pig_Pen: the military as it is has changed a lot even in the 6 years I was in [11:31] <zmisc> slackytude: I'm not through the full process yet [11:31] <unixfool> zmisc: pm me [11:31] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:32] <Pig_Pen> my dad retired from the USN, he had it made after he retired [11:32] Action: slackytude has that song in his head now:" you are in the army now..." [11:32] <slackytude> Now you remember what the draftsman said [11:32] <slackytude> Nothing to do all day but stay in bed [11:33] <slackytude> probably not the right song for the occasion, tho [11:33] <slackytude> status quo it was I think [11:34] <nix_chix0r> it's yycky outside [11:34] <slackytude> 22°C here :D [11:35] <nix_chix0r> 7.2 C here:P [11:35] <slackytude> thats is -> :( [11:35] <nix_chix0r> it's not so much cold as it is dark and gloomy [11:35] <slackytude> dont I know it [11:35] <nix_chix0r> i was gona go boating this weekend so hopefully it brightens up today or tomorrow [11:36] Mantel (n=seila@201-92-21-98.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:37] Action: unixfool is thinking on getting a motorcycle soon [11:38] <Dominian> I was thinking of you getting me a motorcycle soon too! [11:38] <zmisc> I recently bought an enduro [11:38] <te_> zmisc: It is a nobel calling. If you feel at all compelled to serve your country, by all means do it. [11:38] <te_> </IMO> [11:40] <te_> zmisc: You probably will not like every thing you do in service, but the overall experience will be benificial, if nothing more than to build strength of character. [11:40] <Dominian> http://urlx.eu/_MjQ3Ng [11:40] <zmisc> te_ I'm used to doing things I dislike [11:41] <slackytude> that doesnt sound goof [11:41] <slackytude> that doesnt sound good [11:41] Action: BP{k} quite enjoyed his service. [11:42] <te_> Then that will be an advantage to you right from the start. Because what some don't realize is that you give up many if not most of your rights as a free citizen to serve your country in uniform. [11:43] <te_> How you preform your duties will in a large measure, determine what you will get out of the experience. [11:44] <nix_chix0r> why not be a disc jockey in the airforce [11:45] <te_> There are benifits to being in the military and there are limitations or... well, don't know how to put it, but it is not a bed of roses, and long as you reallize that, you will more than likely do well. [11:45] fevel (n=fevel@201.19.107.106) joined ##slackware. [11:45] Elriquezz (n=elric_@host224-248-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:46] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:46] <nix_chix0r> unless you've been in the service you really wouldn't know [11:47] <zmisc> txz? [11:47] <agentc0re> I think the easy goers will only go to the airforce. Airforce is really just a bunch of civilians playing military. [11:47] <zmisc> I'm not doing it to be gung-ho [11:47] <slackytude> god loves the infantry [11:48] <agentc0re> slackytude: Thats because we make the grass grow :) [11:48] <nix_chix0r> because some people rather not waste their intelligence bombing people and work at a desk? [11:48] <nix_chix0r> yeah that's so lazy [11:49] <te_> zmisc: Today would be a good day to join with the Vets in volunteer action. Today they will be placing flags on the grave markers of their fallen commrades, (here in USA). If you go to your local cemetery, you will find them there and they will let you help. [11:49] <agentc0re> I didn't say anyone wasn't intelligent. [11:49] <nix_chix0r> my dad is a master sgt in the airforce he's been in for little over 20 years and his next and final assignement will be working at the pentigon. but you're right he took the easy way out hehe [11:49] <VampirePenguin> anyone here use qemu... i need to convert a vbox vdi to qemu format if its possible.. i can find conversion for vmware imgs to qemu but not the other way around [11:49] <EuroTrash> Does anyone have a clue why LILO would persist in displaying L99 99 99 .... at boot, even though I'm using either -l or -g options, and forcing it to use MBR with -M /dev/hda? [11:49] <EuroTrash> This is 12.2 [11:49] <zmisc> nix_chix0r: everyone has their place :D [11:50] <zmisc> there's no one-size-fits-all job [11:50] Hallx (n=seila@201-92-21-98.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:50] <nix_chix0r> zmisc, exactly it shouldn't matter if you play in the militarys band or are a dj. every one will find the job they want to do. and it shouldn't be less worthy [11:50] <slackytude> its not what you, its how you do it [11:51] <nix_chix0r> i'm not all gun ho support troops like some crazy folks but i was a military brat. it's not for me but who cares if it for some one else [11:51] gypsydawg (n=mike@71.197.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:51] <agentc0re> nix_chix0r: All i am trying to point out is there is a definite difference between all the forces. Each all has their hard asses too. However when you look at the Majority, there are a lot of shitbirds in the Airforce vs the other branches. At least that's how i've seen it. [11:52] <agentc0re> nix_chix0r: you are right about the job thing, but it's a different story once you are in. [11:53] <nix_chix0r> comparing the airforce to the marines , sure they are more of a hardass branch it is a lot easier to join the airforce or army i'll agree with that [11:53] <macavity> EuroTrash: do you happen to have an nForce2 chipset? [11:53] <EuroTrash> macavity: nope, a rather generic intel 86x chipset, it's a Compaq box. [11:54] <slackytude> who said the rivalry between forces is in part encouraged so you can get the Navy to fire at the Air force and vice versa [11:54] <macavity> i dont see neither -l nor -g in the lilo manpage [11:54] <macavity> ah, there it is [11:54] steelwolf180 (n=max@bb116-15-1-10.singnet.com.sg) joined ##slackware. [11:54] confrey (n=dario@94.162.170.38) joined ##slackware. [11:55] <macavity> EuroTrash: have you added lba32 to lilo.conf? [11:55] <zmisc> personall I think it is so people try to do their best [11:55] <alienBOB> Stx: yesterday I submitted a GCF because Pat never did [11:55] <agentc0re> zmisc: You are 100% correct. [11:56] steelwolf180 (n=max@bb116-15-1-10.singnet.com.sg) left ##slackware. [11:56] <EuroTrash> Nope, can try but I haven't done that in years since LILO mostly did that automatically. [11:56] <EuroTrash> Not sure if it makes sense with -g or -l either. [11:56] <macavity> EuroTrash: try that, but dont call -l or -g on lilo [11:56] <Dominian> GCF? [11:57] <agentc0re> EuroTrash: Hey man. Did you get that router working correctly? [11:57] <macavity> EuroTrash: is /proc mounted? [11:58] <EuroTrash> agentc0re: kind of you to remember... I did eventually get it to work in NAT mode, but stil had outages and loss. I then called my ISP and they tested the line and it turned out to be full of garbage. [11:58] <MLanden> Dominian: I was wondering the same thing [11:58] <EuroTrash> They're sending a bloke to check it out on monday. [11:58] <EuroTrash> macavity: yes it is. [11:58] <zmisc> man IRC is addicting :( [11:58] <macavity> EuroTrash: ok, just checking for basic sanity :P [11:58] <macavity> zmisc: run while you still can :P [11:58] <BP{k}> zmisc: how long you been on irc? [11:59] <macavity> zmisc: thousands of good projects has gone bonkers because someone just popped on IRC to ask a question ;-) [11:59] <te_> I realize that the browser was trying to go to office:631 rather than localhost:631 and that is why I was getting "403 forbidden" Not sure why it was doing that,but... It's working now.. [11:59] <Dominian> http://www.trendhunter.com/images/phpthumbnails/24699_1_468.jpeg [11:59] <Dominian> hahaah [11:59] <EuroTrash> macavity: one thing complicating this is that it's my friend's box, I've told him to quickly do an install on a second drive just to check if the drive isn't reporting bogus geometry. [11:59] <zmisc> BP{k}: since about 2000 or so.. 2001 [11:59] <EuroTrash> But he'll be back up in a few minutes, I guess. [11:59] <BP{k}> zmisc: oh. [11:59] <BP{k}> not that long then. ;) [11:59] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Success [11:59] <zmisc> hehe [12:00] <agentc0re> EuroTrash: Ick, that sucks. [12:00] <zmisc> BP{k}: how long have you been using IRC? [12:00] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [12:00] <macavity> EuroTrash: if all else fails, try grub [12:00] <slackytude> BP{k} did it in uterus [12:00] <agentc0re> Dominian: HAHAH [12:00] <MLanden> Dominian: The divil you say?....Well,now....:D [12:00] <BP{k}> slackytude: lol. [12:00] <slackytude> ^-^ [12:00] <te_> Now I need to see if I can get an XP client to use HP5L @ ipp://192.168.1.18:631/printers/HP5L [12:01] <BP{k}> zmisc: since end of 1884 [12:01] <slackytude> Dominian, lol [12:01] <zmisc> wow, predates internet [12:01] <EuroTrash> agentc0re: yeah, I didn't notice it had HEC and CRC errors on the line because that annoying machine hid it 3 levels deep into the status screen. [12:01] <BP{k}> uhm fsck. 1994* [12:01] <te_> Server is Slackware 12.1 [12:01] <zmisc> BP{k}: lol :D [12:01] <EuroTrash> The firmware on that thing is really an outrage for corporate settings. [12:01] <BP{k}> zmisc: yeah. in them days. we used two tins and a string ;) [12:01] <BP{k}> if you were good, and you dare to ran -current, you had waxed string :P [12:01] <EuroTrash> It doesn't even allow you to manually choose PPPoE or PPPoATM or enter VCI/VPI [12:01] <zmisc> BP{k}: so you've been on IRC when there was a single IRC network [12:02] <EuroTrash> But apparently performance of these devices should be ok under normal circumstances. [12:02] <Dominian> ahh GCF: group contact form [12:02] <macavity> EuroTrash: DDWRT or OpenWRT :P [12:02] <te_> 100 years ago, widespread use of electricity was just a crazy notion .... [12:03] <EuroTrash> macavity: I'd have to find a device that supports ADSL2+ for a decent price first, but I'm strongly considering getting a different router as this thing is useless. [12:03] <agentc0re> EuroTrash: Hrmm. They've locked it down quite a bit then. Unless it comes that way. Just more of a "feature" for you to have to buy the equipment that does do that. [12:03] <agentc0re> EuroTrash: Look at Untangle at all? [12:03] <macavity> EuroTrash: nullboy is probably the one to pester about it [12:04] <EuroTrash> agentc0re: yeah, but before I go down that road, I'd need something to hook it up to ADSL2. [12:04] <confrey> can I ask about a problem in frugalware? I read that distribution in a slackwaare-like [12:04] <agentc0re> http://failblog.org/2009/05/21/placement-fail/ [12:04] <BP{k}> zmisc: nah, there werea couple of irc networks back in t hem day, undernet, efnet, dalnet. [12:04] evo_ (n=evo@p5DDE5E38.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [12:04] <macavity> confrey: no, you cannot [12:04] <macavity> confrey: you can go ask the frugalware people about that [12:04] <EuroTrash> macavity: ok, will do if I get to the stage where I need to make this decision, thanks. [12:05] <agentc0re> EuroTrash: Totally. I have an old dsl modem if you want :P It has wireless. haha. It's an actiontec of some sorts. [12:05] <EuroTrash> ASDL2? [12:05] <confrey> macavity: it's a general problem, about compiling a kernel module [12:05] <macavity> confrey: i have no fscking idea what frugalware did to its kernel wrt patches and such.. [12:05] joannis (n=chatzill@217.145.202.69) joined ##slackware. [12:05] <EuroTrash> Getting a modem isn't really a problem. Getting one that doesn't crap out every 3 days is... and there's no way to tell before buying. [12:05] <macavity> confrey: no-one in here has [12:05] <confrey> macavity: frugalware people are too much few, and not responding.... [12:06] <EuroTrash> I have a couple of Zyxel ones on different locations that seem to be decent. [12:06] <thrice`> choose a better supported distro then [12:06] <macavity> confrey: if it exhibits the *exact* same problem on slackware, then we might have a clue [12:06] Supergrilo (n=Fabio@200.234.208.233) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:07] <macavity> confrey: that there are few frugalware people *might* just be a hint :P [12:07] <confrey> macavity: I don't if I have the same problem in slack, in slack I've installer all the kernel source, I'd like to do not so in frugal [12:07] <zmisc> what is this txz format that's mentioned in the topic [12:07] <macavity> zmisc: better compression [12:07] <EuroTrash> agentc0re: the company doesn't have very extreme requirements either, so if I get this thing running and it doesn't crap out, I guess I'm fine with it. [12:08] <EuroTrash> It's older brother was a very similar model and I've never had problems with it. [12:08] <macavity> zmisc: other than that, it is just like tgz [12:08] <BP{k}> zmisc: in -current (developmen version) packages are made using the XZ utils (lzma based compression) [12:08] <zmisc> so its pretty much tgz, all the tools are the same [12:08] <BP{k}> zmisc: by and large: yes. [12:08] <macavity> zmisc: its just the gzip part that has been replaced [12:08] <confrey> macavity: thanks, I found teh answer... [12:09] <zmisc> cool, it's going to be weird seeing txz packages [12:09] <BP{k}> you get used to it, pretty quickly ;) [12:09] <macavity> zmisc: just for a little while.. then tgz packages start feeling dusty :P [12:10] confrey (n=dario@94.162.170.38) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:10] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:11] <Camarade_Tux> btw, did compl3x got his problem solved ? [12:12] Supergri1o (n=Fabio@200.234.208.233) joined ##slackware. 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[12:16] <Camarade_Tux> Herman, too bad for him, there is no pleac for sh/bash ;-) [12:16] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:16] <Camarade_Tux> anyway, he can get a helper program and output the URLs :) [12:16] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, you have it with herman, today [12:16] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Success [12:16] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, I was telling him that, he wouldnt listen [12:16] <Camarade_Tux> lol, sorry Herman :D [12:16] <Herman> I'm popular today it seems [12:17] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [12:18] <Camarade_Tux> but when I want to tab-complete 'he' into Herman, it completes into heret|c instead so heret|c might be popular today too ;p [12:19] <mwnn> Hi, my .Xresources is configured like this: http://pastie.org/487382. But I am unable to get a black background on xterm. [12:20] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:21] <thrice`> mwnn: that's typically done in ~/.Xdefaults [12:21] <mwnn> thrice`: Let me try that [12:22] mwnn (n=user@59.92.164.112) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:22] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:23] fevel (n=fevel@201.19.107.106) left irc: [12:23] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-171-237.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:23] <Pig_Pen> just do xterm -bg black -fg white (or whatever color you want) [12:24] mwnn (n=user@59.92.164.112) joined ##slackware. [12:24] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:24] <mwnn> thrice`, .Xdefaults does not seem to solve the issue. [12:25] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:25] <mwnn> thrice`, xterm still has a white background [12:25] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:26] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.63.143) joined ##slackware. [12:27] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [12:28] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left ##slackware ("Burn it with fire~~~"). [12:28] mwnn (n=user@59.92.164.112) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:30] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-57-152.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:31] Mantel (n=seila@201-92-21-98.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: [12:32] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:33] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [12:34] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. 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Would I see a difference in switching to generic kernel? [12:47] <slackytude> not really [12:48] <te_> slackytude: Yea works great, I think I'll just leave it alone. (If it aint broke, don't fix it). [12:48] <Pig_Pen> once booted the cruft is left behind [12:48] <nix_chix0r> me so hungry [12:49] <te_> Was able to make use of my PXE server tho.. that was nice, (the X300 has no CDROM or DVD drive). [12:49] <BP{k}> well in general: running a generic kernel is advised. Personally I always switch to a generic kernel and keep the huge kernel as a kinda safety jic. [12:49] <slackytude> same here [12:49] <BP{k}> te_: you might see a few lesser errors with a generic-smp kernel. [12:50] <te_> Well, I've done it before but don't remember the details. [12:50] <Camarade_Tux> I always use huge and don't install anything else. The first thing I do after an install, is make a custom kernel :) [12:50] <te_> Have to build initrd and that's about it right? [12:50] <BP{k}> te_: 1) create an initrd, 2) set up lilo correctly (with huge-smp as backup option 3) run /sbin/lilo afterwards [12:51] <slackytude> and add lines to lilo [12:51] <Pig_Pen> http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/forums/?act=Q&ID=125485844 [12:51] <te_> BP{k}: Yea, I remember, that's about all there was to it. [12:52] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:52] <te_> Camarade_Tux: You create a custom kernel an leave out stuff you don't use/need? [12:52] <Camarade_Tux> te_, yep [12:52] Supergri1o (n=Fabio@200.234.208.233) left irc: Client Quit [12:54] LinuxGold (n=shamm@unaffiliated/LinuxGold) joined ##slackware. [12:54] Action: LinuxGold looks around. [12:54] <Camarade_Tux> 20s boot-time boost or so :) [12:55] miguelrios (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) joined ##slackware. [12:56] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, werent you faster than that [12:56] <LinuxGold> anyone used network mapping or monitoring software before? [12:56] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude, 20s *boost*, right now I have to enter my credentials after 11s [12:57] <Camarade_Tux> (I formatted meanwhile and only got that time a few days ago) [12:57] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:57] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:57] <Camarade_Tux> and btw, I have a two second delay between kernel boot and init [12:58] Nick change: miguelrios -> likevinyl [12:58] <slackytude> kernel unpacking? [12:59] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:59] <LinuxGold> or decrypting [12:59] <LinuxGold> ;P [12:59] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, I guess you use the compact option in lilo? [13:00] <Camarade_Tux> nooper, the two seconds happen *after* the kernel has booted, there is some activity but I'm not sure it should take that time [13:01] <Camarade_Tux> plus other bootgraphs I've seen don't show that whereas all my bootcharts do [13:01] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude, using grub actually but when I was using lilo, compact was the very very very first thing I would do ;) [13:01] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.60.165) left irc: "leaving" [13:01] <slackytude> heh,alrite [13:02] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [13:03] Demonicdata (n=set@dhcp-nat.com-pair.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] <heret|c> lots of bouncing with my Xchat icon on my avant window navigator [13:03] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [13:04] <Demonicdata> Hey does the slackware cds have the x64 version,and does it have a option to run as a live cd? [13:04] <compl3x> What a question to join to :) :P [13:04] <compl3x> hey guys [13:04] <compl3x> frullet: you about buddy? [13:04] <Camarade_Tux> heret|c, heret|c :p (sorry, had to do that one >< ) [13:05] <heret|c> bouncy bouncy bounce [13:05] <Camarade_Tux> Demonicdata, only slackware is available as CD/DVDs right now [13:05] <slackytude> compl3x, Camarade_Tux had a link for you [13:05] <Camarade_Tux> slackware64 isn't and won't come on the same media [13:05] <Demonicdata> what no x64 version avaiable to download? [13:05] <Camarade_Tux> as for livecd, the installer is a livecd but you won't get a graphical interface [13:06] <Camarade_Tux> "he might enjoy "Extracting URLs" on http://pleac.sourceforge.net/pleac_python/webautomation.html :) " [13:06] <slackytude> Demonicdata, its part of -current, for now [13:06] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:06] <slackytude> Demonicdata, nice nick btw [13:07] <slackytude> I often had to deal with Demonic data [13:08] <Demonicdata> yeah,it's a nick i used ages ago. [13:08] <Demonicdata> everyone thinks it has to do with data from star trek [13:08] te_ (n=te@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:08] <compl3x> haha every time you guys say "nick" it highlights - I messed up with irssi and set nick to auto highlight :p [13:09] <Demonicdata> heh [13:10] <NyteOwl> Demonicdata: I get the same thing only people think it's from Watchmen. heh This nick existsed before watchmen was an itch in it's creator's brian [13:10] <slackytude> everybody knows demonic Data is called Lore ^-^ [13:11] <Demonicdata> I dig,i never read watchmen comics when i was into them,I have several thousand comics in bags in boards in comic boxs in my room,Man i was a geek [13:11] <Demonicdata> comics were like crack to me [13:11] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-91-171.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] Action: compl3x has never read a comic in his life. [13:13] <compl3x> was never my thing [13:13] Action: slackytude slaps compl3x [13:13] <compl3x> English arn't big on the hole comic thing tho [13:13] <slackytude> get some culture, dude [13:13] <compl3x> reading comics = culture o.o - [13:14] <NyteOwl> when I was a kid it wasn't geeky - most kids read comics [13:14] Action: NyteOwl still considers them the best part of the newspaper [13:14] <compl3x> NyteOwl: im not saying I didn't read them because I thought they were geeky - just never had the oppertunity I guess- never found them apealing [13:15] <Demonicdata> Yeah spiderman used to be in the pappers [13:15] <Demonicdata> fighting the green goblin [13:16] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:20] <dyn0myt3> my dad left stacks of them from when he was a kid. i found them in the 70's and they were probably 20 years old at least then. 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Anyway, I am now trying to rebuild the kernel to be more streamlined... [13:46] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:46] <JosephK> The thing is, I want to know if there is some way to scan the hardware so I can see what the kernel does and doesn't need to support.. Anyone out there have any suggestions?? [13:47] <Camarade_Tux> use slackware's stock kernel and use the lsmod command [13:47] <Camarade_Tux> s/command/tool/ [13:48] <JosephK> Well, I am trying to make a custom kernel for the hardware [13:48] <JosephK> thus I am trying NOT to use a stock kernel [13:49] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:49] <JosephK> Oh I get you [13:49] <JosephK> that will tell me what modules are loaded and which ones are not [13:49] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:50] <JosephK> Is that to say the kernel only loads the modules it needs?? [13:50] <JosephK> at this point, it would seem that the kernel is only loading 36 modules [13:51] monstro (i=1000@187.10.67.56) joined ##slackware. [13:51] <Camarade_Tux> only ? ;) [13:51] <JosephK> Yeah [13:52] <JosephK> Is that a lot?? [13:52] <Camarade_Tux> nooper, average :) [13:52] <Camarade_Tux> sorry nooper :D [13:52] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:52] <JosephK> okay [13:52] <firebird619> Greetings everyone. :) [13:52] <Camarade_Tux> and checking your hardware actually works is a good way to check your kernel has everything :) [13:52] <Camarade_Tux> hey firebird619, how is it going ? [13:52] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:52] <JosephK> Well [13:53] <JosephK> Back to my original question though... [13:53] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: hey, doing great. Thanks. How are you? [13:53] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:53] <JosephK> Is there a way in linux to scan the hardware?? TO see what's actually there?? [13:53] <JosephK> So i can be efficient about what I have the kernel support?? [13:53] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, doing nice, thanks :) [13:53] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:53] <BP{k}> JosephK: lsmod lspci lspcmcia lsusb [13:54] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:54] <thrice`> JosephK: the generic kernel will do this [13:54] <firebird619> Hey BP{k}, how are you? [13:54] <firebird619> hi thrice` [13:54] <thrice`> hi :) [13:54] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.122.76) joined ##slackware. [13:55] <BP{k}> firebird619: not bad :) there is beer! [13:55] <firebird619> :) [13:55] <allend> JosephK: have you seen this definitive reference? http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding&s[]=kernel&s[]=compile [13:55] <JosephK> Excelent [13:55] <JosephK> Looking now [13:56] <JosephK> Finally, assuming I fuck up the kernel.. My process is make config make dep make zimage make zlilo [13:56] <JosephK> Assuming I fuck that up... [13:56] <JosephK> Is there a way I should back up the currently working kernel just in case?? [13:57] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.63.143) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:59] <Camarade_Tux> it should stay available as /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.29.x (I don't remember the exact version) : set your lilo.conf to reflect that [14:00] <JosephK> Camarade_Tux how do you mean?? [14:00] <JosephK> Is there a way in lilo to say "If this new kernel doens't boot it, switch to this old one" ? [14:00] fevel (n=fevel@201.17.112.252) joined ##slackware. [14:01] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.122.76) left irc: "Leaving" [14:01] fevel (n=fevel@201.17.112.252) left irc: Client Quit [14:01] <redtricycle> JosephK: when you compile your kernel, you can set your custom string [14:01] <firebird619> JosephK: You are able to keep the old one in lilo.conf so that if the new one doesn't work, you can use the old one. [14:01] <redtricycle> JosephK: and, do what firebird619 said subsequently [14:01] <firebird619> lol [14:01] <firebird619> Hey redtricycle [14:01] <firebird619> How's it going? [14:01] <redtricycle> mornin! [14:01] <redtricycle> Have you just been up for the last couple of hours? [14:01] <redtricycle> =P [14:02] <Camarade_Tux> look in /boot, you should have /boot/vmlinuz but this is actually a symlink pointing to another file named vmlinuz-2.6.xx.x (or something like that, I don't remember and can't check). in your /etc/lilo.conf, create a *new* entry for your kernel, with the other one using /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.xx.x [14:02] <firebird619> Yeah, just got up a couple hours ago. Was up until 03:20 last night (or should I say morning). :P [14:02] <JosephK> But when I do a make zlilo won't that change lilo.conf to the new kernel?? [14:02] <redtricycle> haha, same here... [14:02] <redtricycle> I was debugging one of my scripts that stopped working -_- [14:03] <firebird619> JosephK: when your pc starts, you have the option of selecting which kernel you want to use. [14:03] <redtricycle> one of these days, I"m going to just *use* my computer, instead of all this tweakerish stuff =P [14:03] <JosephK> really?? [14:03] <firebird619> but it's sure fun tweaking it though isn't it. :D [14:03] <firebird619> JosephK: yes [14:03] <JosephK> Well I am not where the system itself is.. Doing all this remotely [14:03] <JosephK> heheheh [14:03] <JosephK> Scary huh?? [14:03] <redtricycle> JosephK: yes, make sure your Lilo didnt disable the timeout [14:04] <JosephK> OH.. Funny, I did just that earlier today so it would boot right to it [14:04] <JosephK> I will have to fix that [14:04] <ccfreak2k> It sure does take a while to zero-fill a 1GB SD card. [14:04] <redtricycle> Yeah, because now you'll need some time to choose a different kernel in case yours bonkers [14:04] <Camarade_Tux> ccfreak2k, but why ? wouldn't a hammer be better ? :D [14:05] <firebird619> ccfreak2k: I won't try doing that on my 8 GB card then. :P [14:05] <ccfreak2k> Camarade_Tux, it would be faster, but then there's the usability issues with such an approach. [14:05] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: death by shredder. :P [14:05] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [14:05] <Camarade_Tux> ccfreak2k, but it has the advantage of making the sd card even smaller [14:05] <JosephK> I don't need generic support if I already picked P4 right?? [14:05] <firebird619> lol [14:06] <firebird619> Camarade_Tux: If you want small size, get a micro SD. :) [14:06] <firebird619> but, I can see how a hammer and an SD card would be fun. [14:06] <Camarade_Tux> you can use an elephant too :) [14:06] <firebird619> hahaha [14:07] <firebird619> run over it with a car. [14:07] <Camarade_Tux> well, my father ran over my foot once, it was really ok [14:07] <firebird619> ouch [14:08] <firebird619> on accident I hope. :P [14:08] <Camarade_Tux> sure ;p [14:08] rob0 (i=rob0@sorry.nodns4.us) joined ##slackware. [14:08] <Camarade_Tux> but I didn't get hurt at all :) [14:08] <rob0> alienBOB: 32279 extents written (63 MB) <-- slackware-current-mini-install.iso won't fit on a credit-card CD :( [14:08] <firebird619> that's good. [14:08] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:09] Nick change: Demonicdata -> Seti-high [14:10] <NyteOwl> I've seen small pocket knives but this is ridiculous - http://www.knifezone.ca/sog/micron.htm [14:10] <rob0> alienBOB: nm, my mistake [14:11] <Camarade_Tux> NyteOwl, well, that's for babies :) [14:12] <dyn0myt3> a Dallas Cowboy got arrested for having a Chinese throwing star in his luggage in Dallas yesterday [14:12] <slackytude2> chuck norris used those when he was 4 [14:12] <NyteOwl> Shuriken are prohibited weapons here [14:14] <rob0> 16139 extents written (31 MB) :) [14:14] <NyteOwl> I'm sure that in the enxt 10 eyars or so breathing with also be a prohibited activity [14:15] <NyteOwl> environemtnally damaging - creates greenhosue gases [14:15] <Camarade_Tux> rob0, lol, you burnt it twice ? :p [14:15] <rob0> no [14:15] <Camarade_Tux> NyteOwl, nah, farting creates more greenhouse gases [14:15] <Camarade_Tux> :D [14:16] allend (n=allend@CPE-58-165-29-25.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [14:16] <rob0> well, what I did was accidentally put the ISO in the $SLACKROOT [14:16] <NyteOwl> Camarade_Tux: prohibiting breathing willt ake care of both though. gottaz think like government you know [14:17] happycycling (n=happycyc@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:17] Action: NyteOwl contemplates emigrating to Vermont [14:17] <rob0> STAGING=., should have been STAGING=$PWD [14:19] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: [14:21] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:22] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [14:23] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-40-21.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:23] <happycycling> what does System.map do once you've compiled the kernel? Do you need it in the /boot dir? [14:24] <slackytude> its maps syscalls to addresses [14:24] <slackytude> for diagnostics [14:24] <slackytude> and some stuff relies on it [14:24] <happycycling> so is it worth changing the symbolic link to my new System file or will it work okay without? [14:25] <Camarade_Tux> it works without [14:25] <happycycling> my kernel keeps hanging at the usb storage section. I'm not sure what to fix [14:25] <Camarade_Tux> (but if you definitely change kernel, change the System.map) [14:26] gooph (n=gooph@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:27] <rob0> System.map is irrelevant. It optionally CAN be used by syslogd(8), but in Slackware, it is not used. [14:27] <firebird619> Anyone know why I get this with adesklets: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14004 [14:28] <happycycling> so when you install your new kernel do you have to tweak your rc.modules file as well? [14:28] <happycycling> I have touched it since install [14:28] <happycycling> er haven't [14:28] <Camarade_Tux> dmesg uses System.map iirc [14:29] <Camarade_Tux> rc.modules is basically empty by default [14:29] <Camarade_Tux> and most modules are automatically loaded so you don't even need to tweak rc.modules [14:29] <slackytude> firebird619, still? [14:29] <rob0> Now, the big question ... where would I hide if I was a pack of blank credit-card CD's? [14:29] <alisonken1home> firebird619: your adesklets configuration file is hosed [14:29] <slackytude> rob0, at the last place you look! [14:29] <happycycling> so how do I trouble shoot what's causing the kernel to hang? [14:30] <firebird619> slackytude: Ugh, yes. [14:30] <happycycling> does usb storage module conflict with something in SCSI? [14:30] <firebird619> alisonken1home: as in .adesklets? I had removed that and made a new one. [14:30] <slackytude> happycycling, huh? no, it shouldnt [14:31] <slackytude> anybody tried out codeweavers? [14:31] <JosephK> I wish, when doing a make config on the kernel, you could go back and fix a fuckup [14:31] <JosephK> I can't see charging a client for doing it over because I fucked something up [14:32] <ccfreak2k> Zero-filled the SD card at 302KB/s. [14:32] <slackytude> tell him it was gremlins and charge even more [14:32] <alisonken1home> firebird619: if you can understand python, look at the _init_.py file and see what it's looking for [14:32] <JosephK> I am too honest for my financial well-being [14:32] <JosephK> I can't do what you suggest... [14:32] <JosephK> Not in me [14:32] <JosephK> Crazy huh?? [14:32] <firebird619> alisonken1home: I can't, but I'll look anyway and see if I can figure it out. :) Thanks. [14:32] <slackytude> thats why you'll never wear a tie [14:32] <JosephK> Someone should come over and shoot me [14:33] <JosephK> Actually I have a lot of nice ties and play golf [14:33] Action: panzer shoots JosephK for being to nice [14:33] <JosephK> I am just not driving the mercedes SUV I want [14:33] <firebird619> alisonken1home: It happens with all the desklets I've tried so far. [14:33] <JosephK> hehehehe [14:33] <panzer> and for playing golf [14:33] <JosephK> thanks panzer [14:33] <JosephK> hehehehe [14:33] <JosephK> I love golf [14:33] <JosephK> it rocks [14:33] <panzer> I have done stuff like that. did not charge a dude today for running yet another viri scan. [14:34] <panzer> of course he paid yesterday for everything I had done. And paid well [14:34] <redtricycle> ohhh, adesklets is cool [14:34] <redtricycle> I'll check it out [14:36] happycycling (n=happycyc@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: " Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-" [14:36] <rob0> slackytude, that goes without saying, because if I find it, I'll stop looking :) [14:37] <slackytude> rob0, the awsome powers of logic compels you! [14:37] <rob0> For the record, it has not yet been located. :( [14:38] <Camarade_Tux> quite unrelated but I thought I should mention it : a 6mAh LyPo battery for 40$ on sparkfun http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8484 [14:38] <Camarade_Tux> it's 25% more performant than my current laptop battery, is thrice smaller and costs half the price :p [14:39] <Camarade_Tux> (but it's probably incompatible LyPo vs. LiIon) [14:40] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:40] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [14:43] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:44] <NyteOwl> Camarade_Tux: I have a new battery that reports as good to the diagnostics but that my laptop won't charge :( [14:45] <Camarade_Tux> =/ [14:45] <Camarade_Tux> sure it's really compliant ? [14:45] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [14:46] <NyteOwl> yup, it's oem - same company [14:46] <acidchild> because you da bows. [14:46] <acidchild> hi NyteOwl [14:46] tooly (n=theo@e178181195.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:46] <NyteOwl> hi acidchild [14:46] <NyteOwl> acid, now that sounds like a trip [14:46] Action: NyteOwl in a pissy mood this week [14:46] <acidchild> rofl. [14:47] <acidchild> why? [14:47] <acidchild> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3312/3556661031_ee4f17aeae_b.jpg <-- War Driving? :> [14:47] <NyteOwl> oh just circumsttances [14:47] <NyteOwl> I hate being backed into corners [14:47] <NyteOwl> lose-lose [14:48] Action: NyteOwl should buy a sword cane heh [14:48] Action: Dominian yawns [14:49] <NyteOwl> make a good conversation piece [14:49] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [14:49] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) joined ##slackware. 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I just need to work on tovidgui and all will be well. [15:01] <firebird619> it complains about wxPython. :P [15:02] <slackytude> should be on sbo [15:03] Mic92 (n=jthalhei@p57A9B48C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:03] <firebird619> yeah, I have it. but tovidgui complains about it needs wxPython 2.6. I have 2.8 from SBo. The tovid Web site says it needs wxPython 2.6 or newer. [15:03] <dyn0myt3> I installed Slack 12.2 and chose KDE all, but i got Xfce programs on the K menu. so i need to remove them and get Kde stuff. [15:04] <firebird619> slackytude: tovidgui requires wxPython 2.6; please install or upgrade wxPython. [15:05] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.60.165) left irc: "leaving" [15:05] <Pig_Pen> In a sobering holiday interview with C-SPAN, President Obama boldly told Americans: "We are out of money." [15:05] <firebird619> dyn0myt3: unless you chose not to install xfce, there's going to be xfce things in the menu. KDE has a menu editor if you want to remove them from being visible in the KDE menu. Personally, I just leave them there. [15:05] <firebird619> Hey Pig_Pen, how are you? [15:05] <Pig_Pen> good [15:05] <slackytude> firebird619, sucks [15:06] <slackytude> Pig_Pen, read about that [15:06] <Pig_Pen> i been messing with avidemux this morning, that is one awesomely good app [15:06] <firebird619> slackytude: yeah, it's weird, especially beings their own web site says 2.6 or *newer* [15:06] <firebird619> Pig_Pen: it's a great app. I love it. [15:06] Demonicdata (n=set@dhcp-nat.com-pair.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [15:06] <Pig_Pen> hmm, maybe because that dumbass gave all the money to the banks and the big thee automakers [15:07] <firebird619> Pig_Pen: I've been reading lately that alot of development has happened with pitivi, another video app, and it's looking quite promising now. [15:07] FreonTrip (n=FreonTri@75-16-178-113.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:08] <Pig_Pen> pitivi?, never heard of it, of course i have not done any video editing before recently [15:08] <dyn0myt3> firebird619: i thought that was the point of choosing a X window manager. especially as I thought slack was known for not adding extraneous programs. [15:08] Mic92 (n=jthalhei@p57A9B48C.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [15:08] joannis (n=chatzill@217.145.202.69) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.16/2009041115]" [15:08] <dyn0myt3> i prefer the kde programs [15:09] <Camarade_Tux> if you really don't want xfce, remove the package : 'removepkg xfce' [15:09] <slackytude> firebird619, mabye just make a symlink [15:09] fevel (n=fevel@201.17.112.252) joined ##slackware. [15:09] tooly (n=theo@e178181195.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware. [15:09] <slackytude> firebird619, that works often enough [15:09] flvr (n=flvr@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] flvr (n=flvr@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:09] <dyn0myt3> since no dependency checker i didnt want to start removing stuff. im still new [15:10] <firebird619> slackytude: yeah, that could work. [15:10] <slackytude> dyn0myt3, its a pretty safe operation. xfce is well contained [15:10] <dyn0myt3> and since i didnt tell it to install that.. [15:11] <firebird619> you didn't tell slackware to install xfce? [15:11] <dyn0myt3> no [15:11] <dyn0myt3> i chose kde [15:11] <dyn0myt3> 3.5 [15:11] <Camarade_Tux> dyn0myt3, when you chose kde, xfce was already installed [15:11] <slackytude> you chose kde as your default wm. that doesnt mean it didnt install xfce [15:11] <dyn0myt3> from a fresh install ? [15:11] <dyn0myt3> i never chose xfce [15:11] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-24-126-163-118.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:12] <Camarade_Tux> you made a full install I guess [15:12] <dyn0myt3> hm [15:12] <dyn0myt3> ok [15:12] <kitche> you don't have to chose xfce for it to install if you did a full install [15:12] <dyn0myt3> thats why they ask you what window manager, i thought.. [15:12] <dyn0myt3> i chose full but why mix apps [15:13] <Camarade_Tux> the list you can chose your window manager from is built from the installed window managers, if you see one there, it means it is installed [15:13] <dyn0myt3> this install is realy bloated, but still x4 faster than my xp install [15:13] <slackytude> slackware....bloated? [15:13] <dyn0myt3> u should see my menus [15:14] Action: slackytude checks his dictonary [15:14] <firebird619> menus being full does not mean it's bloated. [15:14] <chowabunga> what is the fastest distro [15:14] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude, diction*n*ary :D [15:14] <dyn0myt3> much more so than my Kubuntu install [15:14] <Camarade_Tux> at least, I think so [15:14] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, bah! [15:14] <slackytude> thats why I couldnt find it [15:14] <Camarade_Tux> dyn0myt3, hmmm, no, that's because kubuntu didn't show everything [15:15] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude :p [15:15] <dyn0myt3> ok but this one has Xfce programs on a KDE window manager, so thats confusing. [15:16] <Camarade_Tux> actually I find *ubuntu's distinction between window managers completely disturbing [15:16] <firebird619> that's not confusing, that's how it works. Also, as I said, it is customizable if you don't like it that way. [15:16] <dyn0myt3> well i didnt like Gnome, personal preference [15:16] <Camarade_Tux> there is absolutely nothing preventing an xfce app from running when kwin is the window manager [15:17] <dyn0myt3> ok [15:17] <slackytude> or running kde apps in xfce [15:17] <dyn0myt3> just me but if i chose KDE /all i dont want xfce apps. [15:17] <NyteOwl> apps != interface [15:17] <NyteOwl> interface != apps [15:18] s0d0 (n=john@host86-175-193-104.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:18] <slackytude> NyteOwl, one follows from the other [15:18] <NyteOwl> not really [15:18] <firebird619> dyn0myt3: You just chose to start kde by default as your de, you *didn't* chose to not install xfce at all, thus the apps are there and can be removed from being visible, so go do that. :) [15:18] <NyteOwl> or rather, not necessaarily [15:19] <dyn0myt3> well the package manager is not so good and i suk at cmd line atm. [15:19] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [15:19] <firebird619> the package manager is great. [15:19] <Camarade_Tux> the basis : run 'pkgtool' [15:21] <pprkut> pkgtool ftw! [15:21] <Dominian> eh [15:21] <Dominian> the package management in slackware is just fine. [15:21] FreonTrip (n=FreonTri@75-16-178-113.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:21] <dyn0myt3> the kpackage list is too confusing. be better if u could see a list of installed packages on cmd line [15:21] <Dominian> It may not do dependency tracking,b ut thats the way we like it :P [15:21] <Dominian> dyn0myt3: ls /var/log/packages [15:21] <Dominian> :) [15:22] <firebird619> Hey Dominian, how's it going? [15:22] <Dominian> goign ok.. yu? [15:22] <firebird619> going great, thanks. [15:22] <Pig_Pen> 4 out of 5 dentists reccommend slackware over the other leading distros [15:22] <firebird619> haha [15:23] <Camarade_Tux> makes you cring less ;) [15:23] <pprkut> dyn0myt3: kpackage is not really recommended on Slackware.... [15:23] <Camarade_Tux> *cringe [15:23] <slackytude> dyn0myt3, pkgtools will show you one, or check the contents of the /var/log/packages dir [15:23] <firebird619> Pig_Pen: The one wearing the Ubuntu sticker declined to comment. [15:23] <Pig_Pen> yeah, he just sat in the corner with a disgusted look of rejection on his face [15:24] <firebird619> lol [15:24] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:24] upyr1 (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [15:25] <Pig_Pen> i smell something good cooking in the kitchen, gotta check it out [15:25] chasmo_ (n=chas@69.4.148.76) joined ##slackware. [15:26] <slackytude> we had salad out of garden, today [15:26] <dyn0myt3> ok i got the list [15:26] <slackytude> our garden [15:26] <dyn0myt3> i didnt tell it to install Xfce. i thought we had control! [15:27] <kitche> dyn0myt3: techinally you did tell it to install xfce [15:27] <firebird619> you didn't have to. If you didn't want xfce, you would have had to tell it *not* to install xfce during install. [15:27] <dyn0myt3> ok. i thought choosing kde would imply that i dont need/want xfce [15:27] <firebird619> no, it doesn't imply that at all. [15:27] <Camarade_Tux> dyn0myt3, there are several install modes : full, expert/menu, series, you could have chosen actually [15:28] <dyn0myt3> ya but im new [15:28] <slackytude> that question is asked *after* you chose what to install [15:28] <dyn0myt3> its cool good way to learn [15:29] Nick change: Herman -> Hermann [15:29] <firebird619> slackytude: If I were to symlink wxPython, which files would I symlink? [15:29] <slackytude> firebird619, good question [15:29] <firebird619> I thought it was too. :) [15:29] <firebird619> I straced tovidgui looking for hints, but I don't see anything. [15:30] <firebird619> that's helpful as to what to symlink [15:30] <pprkut> firebird619: symlink? [15:30] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:30] <slackytude> firebird619, somehow I thought you meant wxGTK [15:31] <slackytude> firebird619, not sure if that would work if you want wxPython [15:31] Action: Camarade_Tux wonders what wxgtk is [15:31] <firebird619> pprkut: tovidgui complains about needing wxPython 2.6. I have 2.8 from SBo and tovid's Web site states wxPython 2.6 or newer. I'm just trying to get it to work. [15:31] <firebird619> slackytude: I tried wxGTK as well, no dice. [15:31] <Camarade_Tux> hmm, only the gtk part [15:31] <Camarade_Tux> firebird619, sed could solve your problem :p [15:32] <firebird619> how so? [15:32] <Pig_Pen> thats wx* apps for ya [15:32] <chowabunga> what is up [15:32] <chowabunga> sirs [15:32] <firebird619> the sky? :P [15:32] <pprkut> firebird619: well, unfortunately "2.6 or newer" doesn't imply 2.8 working [15:32] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [15:32] <chowabunga> the sky is down too [15:33] <pprkut> firebird619: for a long time apps only worked with 2.6 and failed with 2.8 [15:33] fevel (n=fevel@201.17.112.252) left irc: [15:33] <firebird619> pprkut: yeah, I know. I was just trying to get the gui to work, but maybe that just isn't possible, at least without downgrading wxPython. [15:33] <Camarade_Tux> two hours ago the meteo said there would be a storm, but the weather is getting nicer and nicer :) [15:33] <slackytude> firebird619, you have a file /usr/bin/makemenugui ? [15:34] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:34] <chowabunga> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090518#feature [15:34] <firebird619> slackytude: no [15:34] <slackytude> firebird619, O_o [15:34] <pprkut> firebird619: nah, have a look around other distributions. A quick look at google shows mandriva has at least a version that is supposed to work with 2.8 [15:35] <firebird619> I tried tovid svn as well, no dice there either. complained about cli.py, even though it was there. [15:35] <slackytude> firebird619, there should be a makemenugui, afaik [15:35] <slackytude> http://forums.opensuse.org/archives/sf-archives/archives-software/342221-tovidgui-wxpython-error-install-2-6-2-8-wxversion-solved.html [15:35] <firebird619> slackytude: :( It's missing here. [15:36] <firebird619> slackytude: Yeah, I don't have a makemenugui, but when I was looking through tovids files, I seen that it is set to just look for 2.6 and that's it. [15:37] <slackytude> Id try changin that [15:37] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [15:37] <firebird619> yeah, I can give that a try. [15:38] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.116.159) left irc: "weeee" [15:39] <firebird619> slackytude: I do have a makemenu, but it was tovidgui in /usr/bin that was only looking for 2.6 [15:41] <firebird619> hahaha, sweet, that worked. :) [15:41] <slackytude> ^-^ [15:41] <firebird619> err, wait, partially worked. the gui's messed up. :P [15:41] <slackytude> :| [15:41] <firebird619> messed up as in blank. :P [15:42] <slackytude> thats not good [15:42] <firebird619> sec, I'm trying something else. [15:43] <firebird619> :| that failed too. [15:43] fevel (n=fevel@201.17.112.252) joined ##slackware. [15:43] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [15:44] <pprkut> firebird619: I saw a patch for this when searching in google [15:44] <firebird619> pprkut: Hmm, I'll look for that, thanks. [15:46] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.157.33.70) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:47] <firebird619> looks like suse has it working with 2.8 as well. [15:48] <slackytude> firebird619, where did you get it? [15:48] <slackytude> I want to take a look [15:49] <firebird619> tovid? from tovid.sf.net [15:49] <firebird619> When I resize the tovidgui window, then it all displays properly. :P [15:49] <slackytude> ah [15:49] <mmlj4> suse-- [15:49] <slackytude> I had that with my Qt programs as well [15:49] <mmlj4> hate, hate [15:50] <slackytude> Lesbian Vampire Killers [15:50] <slackytude> thats sounds like a good flick [15:50] <firebird619> lol [15:50] superGear (i=1000@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:50] <slackytude> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1020885/ [15:51] <slackytude> almost as good as Revenge of the Surf-Boarding Killer Bikini Vampire Girls [15:52] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:52] <Camarade_Tux> let's http://192.168.1.10:21220 and add this to the download list ! :D [15:53] <slackytude> web based torrent clien? :P [15:54] <kitche> watching a trailer of it eright now actually :) [15:54] <Camarade_Tux> ed2k, bittorrent, ftp/http, direct-connect, gnutella{1,2}, fasttrack client with web, wap, telnet, gui UIs :) [15:54] <Camarade_Tux> oh, and written in ocaml of course ;) [15:54] <Camarade_Tux> mldonkey \\o o// \o/ [15:55] <Camarade_Tux> \\o// <- mutant :) [15:55] <slackytude> does it have a name? [15:55] <slackytude> lot of interfaces [15:56] <slackytude> nice that you can pirate stuff by your cell phone [15:56] <slackytude> thats technology [15:56] unixfool (i=a63a4218@about/slackware/wigglit) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [15:56] <Camarade_Tux> gnutella and fasttrack don't work very well currently unfortunately (well, except for fasttrack, who cares ?) [15:57] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060015e964b923.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] <Camarade_Tux> and I usually add downloads from 500km away and get them on my external HD when I get back home :p [15:57] <Camarade_Tux> which reminds me I'd better grab the downloads before tomorrow [15:57] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:58] superGear (i=1000@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:59] <chowabunga> cock [16:00] <Camarade_Tux> chicken ? [16:03] <alienBOB> I hope [16:04] fevel (n=fevel@201.17.112.252) left irc: [16:05] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] Jhodas (n=Jhodas@cpc4-seac20-2-0-cust262.7-2.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:07] <thumbs> weee [16:09] <firebird619> hey thumbs [16:09] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.3) left irc: [16:09] <thumbs> hi bird on fire [16:09] <firebird619> haha [16:09] <slackytude> y0 thumbs [16:10] <thumbs> slackytude: hey ho [16:10] <slackytude> you are in a good mood [16:10] <thumbs> I have to go to the office today [16:10] <thumbs> so I am in a good mood, for now. [16:10] <slackytude> you have to go to office and you are in a good mood? [16:10] <superGear> enjoying the Holiday weekend (for Americans) [16:10] <snL20> do anyone have a quick way to turn an .mkv file with dts sound into an .mkv file with AC3 or mp3 or AAC ? [16:10] <Camarade_Tux> isn't it currently the week-end ? :p [16:10] <thumbs> for now, while I'm slacking on slackware. [16:11] <Camarade_Tux> ok :p [16:11] <thumbs> superGear: not a resident of the USA, but I am american [16:11] <superGear> no, you defected to Canada :| [16:12] <thumbs> an 'American' is be definition a resident of the content of america [16:12] <Camarade_Tux> I'll maybe have Lesbian Vampire Killers by tomorrow :) [16:12] <slackytude> heh [16:12] <slackytude> looks like a great flick [16:12] <NyteOwl> are the vampire killers lesbians, or do they kill lesbian vampires? [16:13] <slackytude> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1020885/ [16:13] <superGear> or is it a porn? [16:13] <slackytude> not porn [16:13] <superGear> :( [16:13] <slackytude> Their women having been enslaved by the local pack of lesbian vampires thanks to an ancient curse, the remaining menfolk of a rural town send two hapless young lads out onto the moors as a sacrifice. [16:13] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:13] <Camarade_Tux> NyteOwl, don't know yet, I think you should watch it to know ;) [16:14] <NyteOwl> naw, title doesn't appeal to me [16:14] <slackytude> are you serious? [16:14] <superGear> not all guys are into Lesbians [16:14] <NyteOwl> sounds like Buffy the Vampire slayer emats Ellen degenerate [16:15] <NyteOwl> er degeneris [16:15] <slackytude> it looks like it could be a nice trash movie [16:15] <superGear> Ellen the Vampire Slayer [16:15] <slackytude> ye gods, Ellen [16:15] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [16:15] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:15] <chopp> NyteOwl: degenerate made sense to me. :P [16:16] <chopp> firebird619: got your adesklets up and working I see. :) [16:17] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [16:18] <firebird619> chopp: yeah. A .adesklets~ file was lurking yet, removed that and all is well. :) [16:19] dios_mio (i=FREELOVE@88.242.166.221) left irc: "The world is not real, only possible." [16:20] <chopp> simple fix anyway. :P [16:20] <[z]imba> hey im planing to recompile glibc [16:20] <[z]imba> but how do i go abt it . [16:20] <Pig_Pen> http://imagebin.org/50116 [16:21] <[z]imba> since others applications are dependend on it how will i uninstall it in first place [16:21] <chopp> itty bitty titty club [16:21] <alienBOB> [z]imba: (1) compile a new package (2) use upgradepkg to upgrade to your new slef-compiled package [16:22] <[z]imba> Pig_Pen< show some respect to the channel :( [16:22] <Pig_Pen> they may be small but they are cute little things [16:22] <[z]imba> can any one kick Pig_Pen out [16:23] <chopp> [z]imba: who the hell are you?! [16:23] <thumbs> [z]imba: do we know you? [16:23] <[z]imba> chopp< im new here , thumbs same thing !! [16:24] <chowabunga> [z]imba> you follow the glibc documentation or you modify the slackware build scripts for it [16:24] <[z]imba> I just felt it !! so it openly said ! did i break any rule [16:24] <chowabunga> from source/ [16:24] <alienBOB> Pig_Pen: next time do not just post an image URL, but tell what people can expect by clicking [16:24] <Pig_Pen> [z]imba: why would you need to rebuild glibc? [16:25] <slackytude> what? rebuild glibc? [16:25] <Pig_Pen> ok, alienBOB i will put a nsfw on it [16:25] <slackytude> wtf? [16:25] <alienBOB> tyvm [16:25] <thumbs> [z]imba: what are you trying to achieve, exactly? [16:25] <chowabunga> [z]imba> http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-current/source/l/glibc/ [16:25] chrome_ (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/chrome/x-455334) joined ##slackware. [16:25] <slackytude> Pig_Pen, nice O_O [16:25] <[z]imba> alienBOB< thanks dude < my question is when it uninstall it during the uninstall will smthing happen [16:25] <alienBOB> If you uninstall glibc your system will stop working, yes [16:25] <chrome_> it is normal I get speed changing on my network connection [16:25] <chrome_> from 54 Mbs to 26 and 28 [16:25] <alienBOB> So don't [16:26] ClaudioM_ (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:26] <chrome_> my router is 54 Mbs [16:26] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [16:26] <alienBOB> chrome_: wireless? That is normal [16:26] <NyteOwl> thumbs you mean other than being morality police? [16:26] <chrome_> yes wireless [16:26] <thumbs> chrome_: perhaps your wireless reception is spotty. [16:26] <thumbs> NyteOwl: yes. [16:26] <NyteOwl> heh [16:26] <[z]imba> chowabunga< thanks !! [16:26] <chrome_> ok [16:27] <thumbs> [z]imba: you need to ask yourself why you're trying to recompile glibc [16:27] <chowabunga> http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-current/source/l/glibc/glibc.SlackBuild [16:27] <chrome_> it is better the router staying on the ground or higher than my head? [16:27] <[z]imba> i have tried LFS , im experimenting it recursive problems !! [16:27] <eviljames> chrome_: do you have a baby monitor or microwave nearby? Something that might disrupt or interfere with the channel your wifi is on? [16:27] <thumbs> [z]imba: you'll easily end up with a dead box. [16:28] <thumbs> chrome_: generally speaking, height is better. [16:28] <chrome_> no eviljames [16:28] <[z]imba> thumbs< sure? i think we need a chroot env for that purpost [16:28] <thumbs> [z]imba: without knowing what you're trying to achieve, it's hard to say [16:28] shmalu (i=shmalu@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-5559c53605913143) left irc: Success [16:29] <[z]imba> make a actual copy of filesystem!! [16:29] <[z]imba> compile it there [16:29] <thumbs> pardon me? [16:29] <Alan_Hicks> I don't suppose anyone's patched/compiled libconfuse for slackware64 have they? [16:29] <[z]imba> thumbs< [16:29] <[z]imba> i mean chroot [16:29] <[z]imba> env [16:29] <thumbs> you want a chroot with a specific glibc? [16:29] <[z]imba> see, this is what i hv, [16:29] <[z]imba> no no [16:30] <[z]imba> same version , !! [16:30] <thumbs> [z]imba: then why would you compile glibc? [16:30] <[z]imba> wht i propose is , to create a chroot env, with actual copy of filesytem [16:30] <thumbs> [z]imba: a chroot, by definition, inherit some of the files from the host. [16:30] <[z]imba> and unsinstall glibc from orginal 1! [16:30] <Pig_Pen> i bet rebuilding glibc is possible, but you better be very careful how you go about doing it, like do not remove the existing install of glibc while building it then run upgradepkg on a freshly built and packaged glibc (and keep your fingers crossed) [16:31] <[z]imba> yes [16:31] <alienBOB> [z]imba: you can compile SLackware glibc without problems on slackware itself [16:31] <[z]imba> Pig_Pen< your rigth [16:31] <rob0> Okay, old thinkpad is having bootloader troubles. The -current boot CD is not getting the whole ISOLINUX screen. Verified that the CD boots on another machine. [16:31] <[z]imba> alienBOB< hav ya tired [16:31] <thumbs> [z]imba: and remove glibc from the host itself? Why? [16:31] <[z]imba> yes [16:31] <alienBOB> Upgrading it is not difficult as long as you use the Slackware glibc.SlackBuild [16:31] upyr1 (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: Client Quit [16:31] <[z]imba> see thumbs [16:31] <[z]imba> this is what im trying to convey [16:31] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [16:32] <[z]imba> make another copy of orginal filesystem [16:32] <[z]imba> open two terminals [16:32] <[z]imba> chroot to duplicate [16:32] <alienBOB> [z]imba: we understand what you say, but fail to see what you want to achieve [16:33] <thumbs> [z]imba: why are you trying to duplicate the filesystem, exactly? [16:33] <Pig_Pen> you can not chroot from X, you have to do it from a console (cli mode) [16:33] <[z]imba> alienBOB< Im just taking some risky business of recursive problems [16:33] <[z]imba> thats it !! [16:33] <alienBOB> What's what [16:33] <[z]imba> see [16:33] <alienBOB> Recursive problems doesn't tell me anything [16:33] <[z]imba> bash is depend of glibc [16:33] <[z]imba> right? [16:33] <[z]imba> when i uninstall it [16:33] <alienBOB> S? [16:33] <rob0> Thinkpad also fails with knoppix. [16:33] <[z]imba> it will break [16:34] <thumbs> rob0: and ubuntu cd? [16:34] <alienBOB> DO NOT UNINSTALL IT FFS [16:34] <eviljames> rob0: thinkwiki is of no use? [16:34] chrome_ (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/chrome/x-455334) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]" [16:34] <[z]imba> ooh [16:34] <[z]imba> u mean i should compile first ? [16:34] <alienBOB> Build and upgrade. [16:34] <thumbs> [z]imba: why are you trying to uninstall glibc, exactly? [16:35] <[z]imba> thumbs< i told right , i just exprmenting .. [16:35] <[z]imba> *im [16:35] <alienBOB> Do *not* : build new glibc, uninstall existing glibc, break your box, use a boot CD, install glibc... so much harder that way [16:35] <thumbs> [z]imba: I don't see the point, really, other than trying to break your box [16:35] <Pig_Pen> experamenting? like a mad scientest? [16:35] <rob0> eviljames, looking there now, thanks. [16:35] <eviljames> rob0: np [16:35] monstro (i=1000@187.10.67.56) left irc: Client Quit [16:35] <[z]imba> thumbs< slackware its about learning :P !! [16:36] <[z]imba> just using my spare time to this [16:36] <thumbs> [z]imba: I suppose, but your ways are uncommon. [16:36] <[z]imba> thumbs< :( [16:36] <[z]imba> but is fun to break the remake [16:36] <chowabunga> ignore thumgs [16:36] <slackytude> [z]imba, dont come back to us crying. you have been warned [16:36] <thumbs> [z]imba: it would benefit you much more greatly to experiment on things that will yield productive results [16:36] <[z]imba> *its [16:36] happycycling (n=john@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [16:37] <[z]imba> thumbs< thanks . [16:37] <Urchlay> if you uninstall glibc, you won't have as much spare time to spend learning useful things, you'll be too busy learning about what happens when you destroy your box... [16:37] <thumbs> chowabunga: pardon me? [16:37] <XGizzmo_> rob0: you could try re-mastering the iso with -boot-load-size 32 [16:37] <[z]imba> oohkay guys , i appologize if eat your time [16:37] <Urchlay> which, granted, would be somewhat useful knowledge to have, but that's like smacking your foot with a hammer to learn how broken bones heal... [16:37] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:37] Action: thumbs recalls why he doesn't like chowabunga now [16:38] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [16:38] <eviljames> Urchlay: or standing in the way of a boomerang from australia to see what stitches feel like. [16:38] <[z]imba> thumbs< wht happend [16:38] <chowabunga> what if your foot is virtual [16:38] <[z]imba> any problem? [16:38] <rob0> XGizzmo_: that might be worth a try, thanks. [16:39] <thumbs> [z]imba: it's none of your business, no offense intended. [16:39] <rob0> Oh, can I say something offensive? Alan_Hicks !! That should offend everyone! [16:40] <[z]imba> thumbs< oohkay, chill da !! [16:40] <thumbs> rob0: you're allowed. [16:40] <rob0> yikes, I might get kickbanned for that! [16:40] <thumbs> rob0: hehe [16:40] <rob0> but hey, it's fun, so ... Alan_Hicks Alan_Hicks Alan_Hicks :) [16:40] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude... Lesbian Vampire Killers has 2882 sources, it is really widespread... [16:41] <slackytude> thats how I found it [16:41] <slackytude> heh [16:41] <Urchlay> alienBOB: got a minute? [16:41] <slackytude> Revenge of the Surf-Boarding Killer Bikini Vampire Girls [16:42] <Pig_Pen> torrent Camarade_Tux ? [16:42] <rob0> XGizzmo_: "-boot-load-size 4" (this is alienBOB's mini-iso script) [16:42] <Urchlay> argh, nevermind, being called away from keyboard to do something [16:42] <Camarade_Tux> Pig_Pen, no, that would be terrible (and the trackers limit the numbers of seeds they give you), ed2k [16:42] <thumbs> so a lower boot loader size would work better on older boxes? [16:42] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude, Surf Nazis Must Die [16:43] <slackytude> agreed [16:43] <thumbs> that would explain why I had some trouble with older machines [16:43] <Pig_Pen> is it a movie that the mafiAA would sue for sharing? [16:43] <slackytude> I doubt it [16:43] <slackytude> its a B movie [16:44] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, you often see torrents with seeders up in the thousands [16:44] <XGizzmo_> rob0: yeah [16:44] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [16:44] <XGizzmo_> 4 is incorrect but seems to work on more boxen [16:44] <rob0> so you think 32 would be better for this old thinkpad? [16:45] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude, yeah, but does your *client* know them (can connect to them) ? [16:45] <thumbs> I was under the impression that a lower value would be more compatible. [16:45] <chowabunga> make [16:45] <alienBOB> Camarade_Tux et.al. please do no discuss illegal downloads in this channel [16:45] <rob0> I'm using a mini-CDRW, so I could try it, but yeah, I was thinking what thumbs just said. [16:45] alicephilippa (n=alice@217.146.125.17) joined ##slackware. [16:45] <Camarade_Tux> alienBOB, sure, sorry :) [16:45] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, this one torrent shows me 3523 seeders [16:45] <thumbs> since the boot sector could not be completely read by the bios [16:46] <Pig_Pen> rob0: is that old thinkpad capable of booting from a usb thumbdrive? you could use that rsync script to store the slackware install files on the back of your harddrive then boot from usb to start the installer [16:46] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, 1471 leechers [16:46] <alienBOB> slackytude: what I said to Camarade_Tux applies to you too [16:46] <rob0> Pig_Pen, I doubt it, but not sure. [16:46] <Pig_Pen> might be worth looking in to [16:47] <slackytude> alienBOB, oi! right, sorry. [16:47] <XGizzmo_> rob0: Its worth a shot. [16:49] He3HauKa (n=seenka@balticom-172-25.balticom.lv) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:50] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:52] <macavity> wow.. i totaly had missed the realease of NetBSD 5.0 [16:52] <macavity> man.. i need a real workstation with some real diskspace :-/ [16:53] <rob0> Thinkwiki and general googlage is not indicating that anyone has problems with bootable CD's on these thinkpads. So maybe I have a hardware problem. [16:53] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: [16:53] <[z]imba> macavity< how netbsd related to slackware !! [16:53] <[z]imba> *is [16:53] <slackytude> rob0, which thinkpad? [16:53] <rob0> 600X [16:53] <slackytude> oi [16:54] <Pig_Pen> who died and made you ops [16:54] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: "Leaving" [16:54] <rob0> That Korean dude died. I think his suicide note mentioned ##slackware @ freenode. [16:55] <slackytude> O_o ? [16:55] <Camarade_Tux> macavity, freebsd, openbsd and netbsd all released major versions within two weeks ;) [16:55] <eviljames> those bastards, now I have to make 3 NEW virtual machines :( [16:55] <eviljames> rob0: what korean dude? [16:55] <rob0> ex-president [16:56] <rob0> Roh? [16:56] <Pig_Pen> rob0: what korean dude? suiscide? [16:56] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [16:56] [a]ltf (n=altf@116.68.102.243) joined ##slackware. [16:56] [a]ltf (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:56] <Pig_Pen> testing, something funny is happening to my network connection [16:56] <eviljames> rob0: surely you jest? [16:57] <slackytude> South Korean Minister "fell down" and died [16:57] <rob0> Me? Never. [16:57] happycycling (n=john@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:57] <[z]imba> slackytude< fell down? [16:57] <Pig_Pen> rob0: got a link to a news site with the info [16:57] <slackytude> [z]imba, yeah [16:58] <rob0> http://news.google.com/ has a few [16:58] <Pig_Pen> i know we can be a rough crowd in here but i would not think we are evil enough to drive anyone to suiscide [16:58] <eviljames> I might be. [16:58] <Pig_Pen> lol [16:58] <slackytude> depends [16:58] <eviljames> I was concerned that nullboy might've been korean. [16:58] <eviljames> whatever happened to that guy? [16:58] <happycycling> my new kernel keeps panicing upon boot. It keeps giving me VFS: Cannot open root device "802" or unknown-block (8,2). I compiled ext3 into the kernel itself [16:58] <slackytude> ouch [16:59] <slackytude> eviljames, bad [16:59] <rob0> eviljames used to be nicejames [16:59] <macavity> Camarade_Tux: yeah.. odd though that NetBSD does not have a binary release for IA64?!? [16:59] <eviljames> slackytude: what's bad? [16:59] <slackytude> the joke [16:59] <Pig_Pen> http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-05-23-voa4.cfm this? [16:59] <macavity> Camarade_Tux: they have for Digital VAX though - lulz [16:59] <rob0> unknown-block means you're missing the hardware driver[s] necessary. [16:59] <[z]imba> i have patched yesterdays slackware logo problem in screenshot http://imagebin.org/50118 , this is my new one [17:00] <eviljames> slackytude: oh, yeah. but seriously, whatever happened to that guy? [17:00] <macavity> [z]imba: logo "problem"? [17:00] <slackytude> eviljames, I dunno, didnt see him since than [17:00] <Camarade_Tux> macavity, but they don't have a complete support for S/390 ! [17:00] <chopp> eviljames: nullboy is fine...thats all I can say. :P [17:00] <macavity> Camarade_Tux: blame IBM [17:00] <slackytude> macavity, he had an apple logo [17:00] <Camarade_Tux> blame, blade IBM, *giggles* >< [17:00] <[z]imba> they said when when you paste screen shot , put a slackware logo !! :P [17:01] <macavity> Camarade_Tux: linux doesnt have "real" support for S/390 either.. it just runs in its hardware hypervisor [17:01] <Camarade_Tux> and I'm not that surprised for IA64 : IA64 is big servers, not really netbsd [17:01] <Camarade_Tux> macavity, I wasn't aware of that, good to know [17:01] <slackytude> IA64? is that used= [17:01] <alienBOB> rob0: ever tried booting the USB installer instead of a DVD? [17:01] <thumbs> [z]imba: who said that, exactly? [17:02] <eviljames> chopp: good enough for me.. [17:02] <happycycling> so how do I track down which driver I'm missing? [17:02] <macavity> Camarade_Tux: i could *especially* see a good reason for NetBSD on IA64.. if you want full package analysis of everything that passes through [17:02] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:02] <macavity> Camarade_Tux: think deep package inspection in the extreme [17:02] s0d0 (n=john@host86-175-193-104.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:03] <macavity> Camarade_Tux: NetBSD/pf is fully capable of that [17:03] <[z]imba> thumbs< let me ck the logs . [17:03] <Camarade_Tux> macavity, right, but wouldn't it be possible to run netbsd on a router connecting the ia64 server ... or deeeeeeeeep package inspection in the extreeeeeeeme [17:03] <happycycling> I looked up the VFS error and alien's slackbook says that you need an initrd, but I know for sure I have ext3 compiled in the kernel [17:03] <macavity> Camarade_Tux: however, they have support in source form.. so perhaps its just because none of the official NetBSD packagers have the hardware to do it [17:03] <thrice`> happycycling: then you missed your harddrive controller [17:04] <Camarade_Tux> macavity, likely [17:04] <happycycling> okay thanks [17:04] hba (n=hba@189.188.142.10) joined ##slackware. [17:04] <macavity> Camarade_Tux: deep package inspection is CPU intensive [17:04] <happycycling> my hard drive is serial ata. Which driver should I use? the scsi section? [17:04] <[z]imba> thumbs< i cant find it , any way yesterday i had apple !! [17:05] <Pig_Pen> not just filesystem support, if the IDE (PATA or SATA) is compiled as a module that will cause the same error [17:05] <Camarade_Tux> macavity, yeah, and I really hope there is not a machine doing that at such a scale near me =/ [17:05] <thumbs> [z]imba: anyhow, it doesn't matter. You keep getting weirder and weirder by the minute. [17:05] <[z]imba> thumbs< :( [17:06] <[z]imba> well , if you think so!! [17:06] <[z]imba> did you come here yesterday [17:06] <[z]imba> thumbs< ? [17:06] <thumbs> [z]imba: I am on IRC 6 days a week. [17:06] <dyn0myt3> thumbs welcome to the #slackware irc [17:06] <[z]imba> thumbs< oops . [17:06] <thumbs> [z]imba: also, you need to press the enter key less often. [17:07] <[z]imba> thumbs< sorry ,pardon me !! [17:07] <chopp> any happen to have built qt4 on slackware64? [17:07] Tux_ (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-91-173.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:07] <[z]imba> thumbs< i didnt get you !! [17:07] <BP{k}> chopp: why not use the package? [17:08] <[z]imba> thumbs< did you meant i shouldnt msg channel? [17:08] <thumbs> [z]imba: you could leave this channel, yes. [17:08] <happycycling> how would I determine the correct driver to compile into the kernel? Both of my ATA and SCSI sections are compiled into the kernel [17:08] <chopp> BP{k}: what the...didn't know there was one. :P [17:08] <rob0> Does not appear that USB boot will work here. [17:08] <thrice`> rob0: no? what happens ? [17:08] <Pig_Pen> happycycling: what chipset is on the motherboard? [17:09] <happycycling> i680 nForce [17:09] <BP{k}> chopp: heh. [17:09] <Pig_Pen> there ya go [17:09] <BP{k}> slackware64/l/qt-r964497-x86_64-1.txz [17:09] <thumbs> [z]imba: I never authorized you to send me a private message [17:09] <VampirePenguin> building qt4 takes a long long long long long long long time [17:09] <[z]imba> thumbs< ok .. [17:09] <pprkut> VampirePenguin: 30 minutes :P [17:09] <thumbs> [z]imba: stop bothering the regulars. [17:10] <alienBOB> Slackware64 has qt4, no need to compile it [17:10] <VampirePenguin> 6 hrs [17:10] <VampirePenguin> then i found out it was in a pkg [17:10] <VampirePenguin> lol [17:10] <[z]imba> thumbs< is my conduct to channel wrong !! [17:10] <BP{k}> VampirePenguin: ouch lol. [17:10] <Pig_Pen> let me fire up menuconfig and see what i have built in besides chipset-IDE and filesystem support [17:10] <VampirePenguin> well kde 4.2.3 is finally as functional and shiny as 3.5.10 [17:10] <VampirePenguin> i like it [17:11] <Pig_Pen> Device Drivers > Block Devices > Loopback is compiled in [17:11] <chopp> BP{k}: allright, I was confused. I have qt-r964497 installed. [17:11] <alienBOB> [z]imba: http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware-rules/rules.html [17:11] <thrice`> I can't use kde4 effects on my thinkpad until xorg is bumped :( it's too slow [17:11] <rob0> thrice`: I'm in the cmos setup boot order screen, it shows floopy, CD, hard drives 1-4, and network. [17:12] <macavity> ok, KVM or [K]Qemu if i intend to run ia32 on ia32 hardware? [17:12] <macavity> i specifically want to try the BSDs [17:12] <Pig_Pen> Device Drivers > Multiple devices driver support > Device Mapper Support is compiled in [17:12] <happycycling> what's the loopback for? [17:12] <macavity> .. but i have *no* clue about virtualization? [17:12] <[z]imba> alienBOB< thanks , i m looking to that document !! [17:12] <alienBOB> rob0: strange, no ThinkPad I know comes without USB boot as an option... but you do have to have the USB stick inserted [17:12] <macavity> other slackers oppinions appriciated :P [17:12] <Pig_Pen> SCSI disk support is compiled in [17:13] <pprkut> macavity: virtualbox :D (biased......) [17:14] <happycycling> ah okay I didn't have the device mapper compiled in [17:14] <happycycling> that's what I was missing [17:14] <VampirePenguin> i had problems getting vbox-ose to build in kde 4.... [17:14] <macavity> pprkut: Free Software solutions only [17:14] <Pig_Pen> loopback is mostly for mounting CDroms and files [17:14] <VampirePenguin> so i went with qemu [17:14] <Pig_Pen> cdrom ISO files [17:14] <slackytude> macavity, vbos is [17:14] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-91-171.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:14] <pprkut> macavity: vbox is GPL [17:14] <slackytude> vbox even [17:15] <macavity> pprkut: ah, ok [17:15] <VampirePenguin> im sick of vbox and the spaghetti xml and non transferable images [17:15] <slackytude> huh? they are transferable [17:15] <happycycling> what's the device mapper ensure? It said N if unsure so I skipped it [17:15] <thumbs> alienBOB: thanks [17:15] <VampirePenguin> not when you jump versions [17:15] <macavity> pprkut: however i see that qemu can use KVM as of version 0.10.0, and the sbo version is 0.10.4 [17:15] <slackytude> ah, I see [17:15] <Pig_Pen> build device mapper in, you will need it [17:15] <VampirePenguin> i just need to digest alienBOB qemu network doku [17:16] <happycycling> what about all the options below it? [17:16] <alienBOB> thumbs: for what? [17:16] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [17:16] <happycycling> crypt, snapshot, etc [17:16] <Pig_Pen> not really essental but if they look like something you need (raid) then add them [17:16] <alienBOB> happycycling: saying "NO" to device mapper may not have been your smartest move [17:16] <thumbs> alienBOB: the link you sent to [z]imba [17:16] <alienBOB> Ah [17:16] <VampirePenguin> the kernel, kernel addons and vbox addons built fine [17:17] <pprkut> macavity: feel free to use it. I will stay with vbox (even though it's bugging me quite a bit lately....) [17:17] <thrice`> yes, but even without device-mapper, his HD / FS should at least mount and not panic [17:18] <Pig_Pen> i seen lilo freak out if device mapper is not either in or loaded as a module [17:18] <Pig_Pen> so i just build it embedded in the kernel [17:18] <macavity> pprkut: it is actually not that important.. i just need to check that my code compiles on the realese versions of the BSD families [17:18] <happycycling> what's the device mapper do? [17:18] <macavity> *release [17:19] <alienBOB> happycycling: why don't you use a "generic" Slackware kernel .config to begin with? [17:19] <alienBOB> Yes lilo requires the device mapper [17:19] <happycycling> um true [17:20] <pprkut> macavity: I see. [17:20] <macavity> really, poking around the kernel options other than the latency and preemption settings has next to no effect on performance [17:20] <chopp> BP{k}: can you give me a hint on what else to modify on this slackbuild. I'm getting qmake-qt4 errors. http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14035 [17:20] <happycycling> oh okay [17:20] <happycycling> I didn't know that [17:20] <macavity> i usually just pick Core2, and Low Latency Desktop [17:20] <[z]imba> thumbs< alienBOB is there any problem with that link [17:20] <thrice`> chopp: just qmake should work [17:21] <happycycling> so would it be wise to just start over with the slack configs from /boot? [17:21] <rob0> alienBOB: this one is very old, a P3 [17:21] <thumbs> [z]imba: no, why do you ask? [17:21] <macavity> happycycling: using generic-smp, adding your root filesystem the above tweaks gives you a nice and fast box [17:21] <chopp> thrice`: I'm on slackware64. qmake-qt4: command not found [17:21] <macavity> happycycling: yes [17:21] <alienBOB> rob0: painful [17:21] <thrice`> chopp: yes, "qmake" is probably the command [17:22] slakmagi1 (n=j@adsl-162-151-14.rmo.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:22] <[z]imba> thumbs< u asked alienBOB "the link you sent to [z]imba " thats why [17:22] <happycycling> okay so you said just change the proc setting and low latency. Compile and that's it? [17:22] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:22] <thumbs> [z]imba: no, I didn't ask him a question. [17:22] <Pig_Pen> i know where you are at happycycling, you are interested in learning about building a kernel, nothing wrong with that, what i did when i first started was a did a second install of slackware in an extra disk partition and practiced in it and when i got something down good the way i wanted it to work i could add that fix or tweak to my main working install, you might want to do a second install for practicing and experamentation [17:22] <macavity> happycycling: you may want to add support for your / filesystem [17:22] slKIvs (n=ivan@190.149.123.157) joined ##slackware. [17:23] <happycycling> ah okay [17:23] <macavity> happycycling: otherwise you need an initrd.. but since you are compiling your own kernel, there is no point in using initrd [17:23] <rob0> haha, actually this was the last laptop I was really happy with. I'm hoping for a mainly-text portable machine. [17:23] <chopp> thrice`: thanks, that was it. :) [17:23] slKIvs (n=ivan@190.149.123.157) left irc: Client Quit [17:23] <happycycling> yea thanks Pig_Pen. I'm just really curious on how to build my own. If there's no point then I'll just use the slackware config files as a starting point [17:24] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:24] <thrice`> chopp: SBo slots the qmake command to not conflict with 12.2's qt3; since -current is qt4 already, it just defaults to qmake [17:24] <happycycling> I just figured a learn kernel would be faster [17:24] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A76A0A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:24] <Pig_Pen> do a second install in an extra disk partition that way you dont have to worry about screwing up your main working install you use for day to day stuff [17:24] <chopp> thrice`: yes I've finally clued into whats going on. :P [17:25] <happycycling> ah okay [17:25] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-81-46.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:25] <[z]imba> thumbs< alienBOB < i appologize if did any thing worng while i said!! seriously :( [17:25] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A76A0A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:25] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [17:25] <happycycling> well I kept my stable kernel in lilo. Does my monkeying around with building a kernel really affect the whole system? [17:25] <thrice`> nope [17:25] <alienBOB> No [17:26] <thrice`> that's the best way to do it [17:26] <alienBOB> If your lilo keeps an entry for the old kernel you will be fine [17:26] <alienBOB> AS LONG AS... [17:26] <happycycling> yea that's what I did [17:26] <macavity> i always keep a huge-smp kernel handy in lilo.. you never know :P [17:26] <alienBOB> ... you build a kernel that has anotehr version [17:26] <Pig_Pen> nope just that kernel, as long as you have a good working stock kernel to fall back on then your good [17:26] <happycycling> cool [17:26] <macavity> happycycling: did you remember to use the Local Version thingie? [17:27] slakmagi1 (n=j@adsl-162-151-14.rmo.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:27] Jhodas (n=Jhodas@cpc4-seac20-2-0-cust262.7-2.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:27] <macavity> happycycling: that is, change it from -smp to -happy or something [17:27] <happycycling> I'm doing 2.6.29.4 so that doesn't muck up the default slack kernel? [17:27] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [17:27] <alienBOB> If you rebuild a kernel with the same version as the working kernel, one bad thing will happen: your working kernel's modules will be wiped [17:27] <thumbs> provided you ran make modules_install [17:27] <macavity> happycycling: it is *always* a good idea to apply your own "signature" to your kernels [17:27] <alienBOB> In your case, you're OK happycycling [17:27] <happycycling> local version, is that were you can add an extension after the extension. Like 2.6.27-test? [17:27] <[z]imba> alienBOB< we can provied version string [17:27] <slackytude> [z]imba, yes [17:27] <[z]imba> while compiling [17:28] <slackytude> no, during configure [17:28] <[z]imba> yes [17:28] <happycycling> where do you set the signature? [17:28] <[z]imba> thats whti meant [17:28] <macavity> happycycling: like, if you run -current, and all of the sudden Patrick desides to upgrade the kernel to the one you have made a custom of [17:28] <happycycling> oh good point [17:29] <Pig_Pen> i used to do a lot of tweaking of a slackware install, with that extra install i experamented on i built xfree86, and found out i could unbundle some kde apps from kdemultimedia (i only wanted kmix) and kdenetwork (i only wanted kwifi) and the same for kdeadmin and kdeutility [17:29] <thumbs> backup your .config file [17:29] <macavity> happycycling: search for CONFIG_LOCALVERSION [17:29] <happycycling> that's set where? inside the .config file? [17:29] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:29] <Pig_Pen> removed a bunch of crappy games from kdegames [17:30] <slackytude> speaking games, Ive come to like neverball [17:30] <[z]imba> happycycling< its under general setup [17:30] <[z]imba> if you use menuconfig [17:30] <macavity> happycycling: just use the search feature in menuconfig [17:30] <happycycling> yes I do [17:30] <slackytude> you can search in menuconfig as well [17:30] <happycycling> found it [17:31] <[z]imba> hackedhead< give it some some make ,while you install its your module direct will have that name [17:31] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-40-21.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:31] <happycycling> so how should I erase my 2.6.29.4 modules then? I set the prefix to test so it'll be 2.6.29.4-test when I install the modules? [17:31] <[z]imba> happycycling< [17:31] <[z]imba> donot touch it [17:31] <slackytude> yes [17:32] <macavity> happycycling: rm -rf them from /lib/modules/ [17:32] <Pig_Pen> all kernel modules are in /lib/modules just be very careful what you delete in there [17:32] <macavity> happycycling: thats the only place stuff gets installed [17:32] <happycycling> so just delete that version to avoid conflicts to -current upgrade in the future? [17:32] <macavity> happycycling: provided you only run make modules_install, and copy the bzImage yourself (as you should) [17:32] <Pig_Pen> dont delete the modules for the stock kernel [17:32] <macavity> happycycling: if it is called -test, no problems [17:32] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [17:32] <happycycling> I mean for my bogus 2.6.29.4 build [17:32] <happycycling> if it's safe to delete those [17:33] <Pig_Pen> just the modules for the kernel you want to remove [17:33] <macavity> happycycling: if it is called -smp or plain nothing, then you should wipe them [17:33] <Pig_Pen> ya, your getting the idea "D [17:33] <happycycling> lol I appreciate the help [17:33] <[z]imba> happycycling< hey u need not bother abt the old one [17:33] <[z]imba> u can continue the build [17:33] <[z]imba> modules goes inside the version string named folder [17:33] <happycycling> my first build of 2.6.29.4 the modules went into /lib/modules/2.6.29.4 dir [17:34] <Pig_Pen> yup [17:34] <happycycling> but with my unique name -test it'll be /lib/modules/2.6.29.4-test? [17:34] <[z]imba> yes [17:34] <macavity> yes [17:34] <[z]imba> thats the point [17:34] <macavity> i always call mine -ajj (those are my initials) [17:34] <happycycling> so in the future if I do upgrade slackware to -current and it by chance uses 29.4 what will happen to my old lib dir? [17:34] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.129.167) joined ##slackware. [17:35] <happycycling> the one without -current after it [17:35] <[z]imba> happycycling< nothing will happen . [17:35] <macavity> happycycling: currently on -current we have /lib/modules/2.6.29.2/ and /lib/modules/2.6.29.2-smp/ [17:35] <macavity> happycycling: just make sure you dont collide with that naming convention [17:36] <happycycling> ah okay. yea that's what I was asking [17:36] <macavity> happycycling: for all i care you could call it -super-super-1337-kernel-build-with-mad-hax-opts [17:36] <happycycling> should I remove my 2.6.29.4 folder then? That's where all my modules went before you guys mentioned a prefix [17:36] <macavity> yes [17:36] <happycycling> okay thanks [17:36] <[z]imba> happycycling< u dont hav to bother abt it [17:36] <macavity> it wont be used anyhow [17:37] <[z]imba> i mean the folder [17:37] <[z]imba> macavity< lol [17:37] <happycycling> so in the future if -current moves to 2.6.29.4. What will happen to my /lib/modules/2.6.29.4 dir? Will it get wiped out and replaced by slackware's config? [17:38] <macavity> i dont know if the upgrade will choke on it or what [17:38] <macavity> that's why i advice you to remove it [17:38] <happycycling> done [17:38] <macavity> good :-) [17:38] <happycycling> thanks for your help man. [17:38] <macavity> np [17:39] <Pig_Pen> if you rebuild the same kernel version it will overwrite the old modules but just so there is no cruft from an old build i would remove any old module dirs from /lib/modules (just dont delete the ones from your stock kernel you use to fall back on) [17:39] <firebird619> Hey macavity, how's are you? [17:39] <happycycling> gotchya [17:39] Action: nix_chix0r chases firebird619 [17:39] <macavity> happycycling: the /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ is hardcoded into the kernel image , so as long as you use a custom string, you are completely "safe" form collision [17:39] <happycycling> gotchya [17:40] <macavity> firebird619: pretty good.. didnt expect qemu to take this long to compile :P [17:40] <firebird619> nix_chix0r: orly? :) [17:40] <happycycling> I just wanted to remove that other version to prevent a collision [17:40] <macavity> exactly [17:40] <happycycling> now I have -jcf tagged [17:40] <firebird619> macavity: as long as qt4? :P [17:40] <firebird619> nix_chix0r: How's it going? [17:40] <macavity> and now that you dont even have a kernel image that points to /lib/modules/2.6.29.4/, all did was waste diskspace [17:41] <happycycling> ah okay [17:41] <macavity> *all it did [17:41] <happycycling> I just wanted to make sure before I did it [17:41] <nix_chix0r> good i cleaned the entire house, he went and got groceries (everything on the list) he fed the baby with the gas drops and no more fussy baby now it's just relaxing and wondering what to make for dinner [17:41] hba (n=hba@189.188.142.10) left irc: "leaving" [17:41] <nix_chix0r> might grill porkchops and some peppers [17:41] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [17:42] <firebird619> nix_chix0r: cool, sounds like you've had a good/productive day. :) [17:42] <macavity> fuck [17:42] <happycycling> so in the future macavity if I wanted to tweak the stock slack kernel. I'd copy the huge config from /boot and run make config. Then change the local version [17:42] <macavity> the qemu build for 12.2 fails on -current [17:42] <macavity> >_< [17:42] <happycycling> and you said the only things work tweaking are Core 2 and pre-emptive bit? [17:42] <Pig_Pen> nix_chix0r: you're a better wife to your husband than the wife i got, i am jealous! :D [17:42] <nix_chix0r> firebird619, it's so nice to have energy for once and to get things done that needed to be done. especially groceries. i had't gone in two weeks [17:42] <macavity> make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/SBo/qemu-0.10.4/sparc32plus-linux-user' [17:42] <macavity> mv: cannot stat `/tmp/SBo/package-qemu/usr/share/man': No such file or directory [17:42] <firebird619> Pig_Pen: lol [17:43] <nix_chix0r> Pig_Pen, how so:P [17:43] <Pig_Pen> cleaned the entire house, like my wife is going to do that [17:43] <[z]imba> happycycling< yes , [17:44] <Pig_Pen> she makes me do half :( [17:44] <firebird619> lol [17:44] <[z]imba> happycycling< aslong as version string is different you can do any thing [17:44] <firebird619> half is better then the entire house. [17:44] <Pig_Pen> thats only fair though [17:44] <happycycling> okay [17:44] <nix_chix0r> lol normally we do 50/50 but i just like to clean so if i want it done my way i will do it myself. [17:45] <macavity> ah, crap [17:45] <nix_chix0r> he'll clean the litter box, and carry the laundry down the stairs and wash it [17:45] <macavity> what jerk starts moving manpages before checking if there actually *are* any?!? [17:45] <macavity> pprkut: hey? you approved this! [17:45] <thumbs> heh [17:45] <pprkut> macavity: :) [17:46] <Pig_Pen> i do that everyday, scoop out the cat box when i take the trash out to the outside trashcan [17:46] <nix_chix0r> i'd like to get the self cleaning one [17:46] <pprkut> macavity: what's the problem? [17:46] <macavity> pprkut: qemu build needs to check [ -d $PKG/usr/share/man ] before it attempts to move them and compress them [17:46] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: "Leaving" [17:48] <pprkut> macavity: so, I take it the slackbuild failed because there is no /usr/share/man ? [17:49] <pprkut> err $PKG/usr/share/man [17:49] <macavity> ues [17:49] <macavity> yes [17:49] <pprkut> macavity: is there a $PKG/usr/man then? [17:50] <macavity> ill tell you in a minute [17:50] <macavity> i just restarted the build with the above hacked out [17:50] <Pig_Pen> i seen that on some tv thing about a self cleaning catbox, that would be nice to have [17:51] <pprkut> macavity: the thing is, the script works fine on a clean 12.2 install. If it doesn't on yours I need to figure out what's different [17:51] <LnxSlck> hello happy slackers [17:51] <happycycling> time to test out this bad boy [17:51] <macavity> pprkut: yes.. now that i come to think of it, it is a bit peculiar that it doesnt build manpages on -current :P [17:51] <firebird619> Hi LnxSlck [17:51] <slackytude> y0 LnxSlck [17:51] <macavity> pprkut: do you have a -current box to test on? [17:51] <LnxSlck> yo guys [17:52] happycycling (n=john@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:52] <thrice`> macavity: install texinfo [17:53] <macavity> thrice`: i belive i have [17:53] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:53] <thrice`> I don't :) [17:53] <Pig_Pen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHPQ8yTJb8k&feature=related nix_chix0r this would be better [17:53] <macavity> /var/log/packages/texinfo-4.13a-i486-2 [17:53] <macavity> now i dont belive that i have.. now i know that i know that i have [17:53] <Pig_Pen> then you could eliminate the catbox all together [17:53] <nix_chix0r> i was freakin out man [17:53] <macavity> ok.. that sounded better in danih.. [17:53] <thrice`> hm :| it generates the man pages based on that [17:54] <nix_chix0r> i thought m y cat was pawing at me. but i had a spider crawling up my leg [17:54] <nix_chix0r> it was massive [17:54] <slackytude> eh [17:54] <NyteOwl> your leg was? [17:54] <macavity> thrice`: the only package sets i dont install is tetex and howtos [17:54] <slackytude> not a nice thing to discover on ones leg [17:54] <Pig_Pen> what kind of spider? hope it was not one of those fiddleback / brown recluse, those are wickid evil poison [17:55] <nix_chix0r> i dont know it was red [17:55] <macavity> thrice`: and pat has been wise enough to put texinfo in the tetex series [17:55] <thrice`> huh, I submitted 0.10.4 after building fine on my -current box : [17:55] <firebird619> nix_chix0r: lol. I've killed a bunch of spiders lately, huge ones too. [17:55] <nix_chix0r> i flicked it off and it's gone ==\ [17:55] <nix_chix0r> dont know where it went [17:55] <macavity> thrice`: what date? [17:55] <thrice`> whenever pprkut approved it :) [17:55] <firebird619> red spider, black widow. :P All red or black and red? [17:55] <nix_chix0r> maybe the cats will get it before it crawls into the babies nose [17:55] <NyteOwl> spiders are useful - they eat less pleasant insencts and bugs [17:55] <macavity> thrice`: and has there been "interesting" updates in the changelog since that? [17:55] Action: slackytude likes spides [17:56] <nix_chix0r> all red cept the face was brownish and legs were brownish [17:56] <slackytude> spiders [17:56] <Pig_Pen> blackwidow are black with a red "hourglass" thing on their tummy [17:56] <macavity> slackytude: yeah, especially with chocolate sauce *slurp* [17:56] <firebird619> the hourglass is on the top so you can see it though. [17:56] <NyteOwl> waste of good chocolate [17:56] <thrice`> macavity: well, if it's not generating man pages, I'd comment it out for the time being [17:56] <slackytude> only the females have that, afaik [17:56] <firebird619> nix_chix0r: ah, you seen it's face, did you stare into it's eyes as well? :P [17:56] <nix_chix0r> it was about the size of a half dollar [17:56] <macavity> NyteOwl: oh, you're more of an ant or grasshopper person? [17:57] <Pig_Pen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAsLBpueppM blackwidow [17:57] <macavity> thrice`: i just did [17:57] <NyteOwl> macavity: no a chocolate person dark chocolate preferably :) [17:57] lord_daemon (i=bd195558@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-44ec8f3448999a00) joined ##slackware. [17:57] <macavity> thrice`: but that leaves in a bit of an awquard situation.. as this is the first time *ever* i attempt to play with a virtual machine [17:58] <thrice`> It should be an "if -d [$PKG/usr/share/man] or so [17:58] <firebird619> Pig_Pen: they are sure nothing to mess with. [17:58] <macavity> NyteOwl: yes, but on what insects? [17:58] <slackytude> macavity, its not rocket science [17:58] <macavity> slackytude: i am exceptionally dense... [17:58] <slackytude> macavity, nah [17:58] <NyteOwl> none -ruins the flavour of teh chocolate. just fry them up[ with a little soy and ginger [17:58] <thrice`> er, if [ -d $PKG/usr/share/man ] [17:58] <macavity> slackytude: ive been working on fixing libtool for more than a week, and still no dice [17:58] lord_daemon (i=bd195558@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-44ec8f3448999a00) left irc: Client Quit [17:58] <slackytude> libtool is rocket science [17:58] <macavity> thrice`: yes [17:59] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [17:59] <thrice`> I know some of the sbo guys don't like that check, though ;) [17:59] [a]ltf (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [17:59] <Pig_Pen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAsLBpueppM these are the spiders i really hate [17:59] [a]ltf (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:59] <BP{k}> /usr/share/man is wrong anyway ;) [18:00] <slackytude> its a job for Ace Rimmer! [18:00] <BP{k}> macavity: hmm did you use "su" or "su -" to switch to root? [18:01] <macavity> BP{k}: oh damnit.. stop being such a wise arse [18:01] <[z]imba> hey usually http://..../slackware-current/ what does it contain is the the current development or lastest release [18:01] Action: macavity hides face in hands [18:01] <BP{k}> macavity: *grins* [18:01] <thrice`> ah, right. macavity fail then :> [18:01] Copland (n=chatzill@209.241.118.121) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.16/2009040306]" [18:02] <macavity> time to make an alias [18:02] <slackytude> heh [18:02] <macavity> i *always* forget that [18:02] <slackytude> epic fail [18:02] <[z]imba> slackytude< macavity any idea [18:02] <slackytude> [z]imba, huh? [18:02] Action: thrice` hits ctrl+c on his build [18:02] <macavity> slackytude: as i said.. i am PRETTY dense [18:02] <slackytude> nah [18:02] <alienBOB> [z]imba: read a bit about Slackware please [18:02] Macless (n=feraz@108.91.192-77.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] <[z]imba> ok .. [18:03] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: Client Quit [18:03] <Macless> hye! do you know french chan for slack please ? [18:03] <alienBOB> NOt here for sure Macless [18:03] <alienBOB> No idea if one exists [18:04] <eviljames> Macless: je ne panse pas qu'il y en a un. [18:04] <Tux_> considering how many french-speaking people I see in this chan, I doubt one exists [18:05] <Tux_> eviljames, s/panse/pense/, otherwise it's a noun and it means "stomach" ;p [18:05] <macavity> goddamnit [18:05] <eviljames> I'm marginally literate in french [18:05] <eviljames> Tux_: typo [18:05] <Tux_> eviljames, right, keyboard's fault ;p [18:06] <eviljames> Tux_: .. can I claim I switched to french canada's keyboard layout? [18:06] happycycling (n=john@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:06] <Macless> somebody use synaptics drivers for touchpad , he don't detect device [18:06] <Tux_> eviljames, you can even say you switched to a qwertz layout (the most disturbing layout I've ever found) [18:06] <macavity> taking France's strong addoption of the FSF, i doubt slackware is very popular there [18:07] <happycycling> you guys are awesome. Kernel works great now [18:07] <eviljames> Macless: depending on your needs, it should behave like IMPS/2 device. [18:07] <Tux_> macavity, linux/unix is pretty popular, it's just people don't know slackware it seems (or are afraid of the mostly-english resources) [18:07] <alienBOB> Well happycycling you did all the work [18:08] <macavity> happycycling: dont forget to buy $5 of "Donation to the Slackware Project" at store.slackware.com everytime someone in here gives you cool advice :P [18:08] <happycycling> haha [18:08] <DeeeeP> any dude where with swf 2 avi support on slackware ? [18:08] <Tux_> DeeeeP, tried mencoder ? [18:09] <DeeeeP> i wondering if anyone could do the dirty job for me :^) [18:09] hackeron (n=hackeron@cpc2-seve19-2-0-cust983.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:09] <DeeeeP> i know that ffmpeg does , but lot of deps to isntall [18:09] hackeron (n=hackeron@cpc2-seve19-2-0-cust983.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:10] <Tux_> DeeeeP, or you can play the movie and 'cat /dev/fb0' :D (maaaad way) [18:10] hackeron (n=hackeron@cpc2-seve19-2-0-cust983.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:10] <slackytude> micro payments on slackware.com? [18:10] <rworkman> 1/c [18:10] <rworkman> damn [18:10] <Tux_> and mplayer/mencoder doesn't have that many deps, it's even in -current [18:11] <slackytude> mplayer in current? [18:11] <DeeeeP> mencoder does suport swf ... and its not on current [18:11] <macavity> i have requested that we can subscribe to Donations [18:11] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-57-152.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:12] <macavity> just a quick survey: how many of you would give Slackware $1-10 a month, if it was subscription based? [18:12] <Tux_> slackytude, DeeeeP, added the same day slackware64 got official, no wonder you didn't notice it :p [18:12] <DeeeeP> i updated to current yesterday [18:12] Action: Tux_ should start donations, he only never took the time to check everything [18:12] <DeeeeP> and there was no mplayer [18:12] <thrice`> DeeeeP: it's in -current [18:12] <thrice`> in xap/ [18:13] <DeeeeP> kk sorry [18:13] <Macless> in /var/bus/input/devices handler 's device is /dev/mouse0 or event8 , in my xorg.conf , Input Device i use this mouse0 or event8 ; but synaptics don't work you knows why? [18:13] <DeeeeP> still wont help me [18:13] <Tux_> it was added to support thumbnails for videos in kde/konqueror/dolphin I think :D [18:13] <macavity> ah! [18:13] <DeeeeP> they should remove gxine for mplayer plugin [18:14] <Tux_> Macless, what do you need from synaptics ? [18:14] <lf4> macavity: depends if I have a job or not. :) If I am making money I wouldn't mind if not I just well cant haha. [18:14] renatosrabelo (n=Renato@bhe201062184205.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:14] <Tux_> DeeeeP, gxine ? what's that ? oh, that package I always skip ? ;p [18:14] <happycycling> haha same deal [18:14] <Macless> Tux_: scroll touchpad [18:14] supergear (i=1000@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:14] <happycycling> once I'm finished being a poor college student I'd be more than happy to donate [18:14] <Tux_> Macless, it doesn't work *at all* ? [18:15] <DeeeeP> Tux_, right :p [18:15] <Macless> no [18:16] chowabunga_ (n=chowabun@c-24-126-170-195.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:16] <lf4> lol happycycling I'm like you :) [18:16] <Pig_Pen> happycycling: dont forget to pass on the knowledge you learned from using slackware, someday a noob will be greatful to learn what you know and learned [18:16] <happycycling> yea. no problem [18:17] <happycycling> slackware does take a while to setup, but I feel like I understand operating systems a lot better than ubuntu or some such [18:17] <happycycling> where you just point and click [18:18] <lf4> slackware takes time to setup? [18:18] <alienBOB> DeeeeP: ever tried my all-inclusive ffmpeg package? No exterenal deps [18:18] Action: Tux_ just doesn't understand anything in ubuntu/debian, absolutely nothing [18:18] <DeeeeP> alienBOB, where is it ? [18:18] <DeeeeP> that would be great [18:18] <Pig_Pen> yup, there is an old saying, if you use debian then you learn debian, if you use redhat then you learn redhat, but if you use slackware then you learn linux :D [18:18] <alienBOB> Weeeeeelll [18:18] <Tux_> and s/anything/a thing/ [18:18] chowabunga_ (n=chowabun@c-24-126-170-195.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:18] <alienBOB> If you do not know that, then there is no point DeeeeP [18:19] <Tux_> http://www.google.co.uk/search?num=50&hl=en&q=alien%20ffmpeg >< [18:19] chrisso (n=chrisso@drms-590c566e.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [18:19] <DeeeeP> i understand the all-included deps on ffmpeg [18:19] <DeeeeP> a slackware package would be great [18:19] dangerseeker (n=dangerse@p57A8D106.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:19] LinuxyErin (n=erin@ppp-70-252-130-205.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:20] LinuxyErin (n=erin@ppp-70-252-130-205.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:20] dangerseeker (n=dangerse@p57A8C460.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:21] <alienBOB> DeeeeP: if you have not found my package by now, you're loat [18:21] <DeeeeP> :D [18:21] <DeeeeP> come on , link me [18:22] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [18:22] <alienBOB> No [18:22] renatosrabelo (n=Renato@bhe201062184205.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left ##slackware. [18:22] <firebird619> DeeeeP: search for yourself, it's not that difficult. [18:22] <alienBOB> If I type ffpmeg slackware in google I see myself linked twice [18:22] <chopp> DeeeeP: want him to build it too? [18:22] <DeeeeP> ok [18:22] <lf4> hey firebird619 [18:22] <firebird619> Hey lf4 [18:22] <lf4> Hows it going? [18:22] <macavity> DeeeeP: if you buy $3 of Donations on store.slackware.com, i will google up the link for you :P [18:23] <firebird619> lf4: going great, thanks. You? [18:23] <alienBOB> This is a good mirror http://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/restricted_slackbuilds/ffmpeg/ [18:23] <lf4> Going well just at work lol [18:23] <Tux_> going to bed, good night :) [18:23] <Tux_> and /me wonders if DeeeeP put him on /ignore... [18:23] <lf4> night Tux_ [18:24] <DeeeeP> no [18:24] <DeeeeP> ill donate slackware [18:24] <DeeeeP> or buy something from store [18:24] <DeeeeP> alienBOB, http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ffmpeg/pkg/12.2/ffmpeg-0.5-i486-1alien.tgz ? [18:24] <lf4> Is slackware needing money? [18:25] <alienBOB> DeeeeP: you found a link, good. The link I posted will give you the ffmpeg package _with_ mp3/aac/amr audio encoders [18:25] <Macless> how you use scrollers for touchpad laptop ? [18:26] <slackytude> lf4, who isnt [18:26] <DeeeeP> ops didnt see thanks [18:26] <alienBOB> The one on slackware.com is limited in that I can not host patented software there [18:26] <lf4> slackytude: Good point... I just spent $980 on car tires :P [18:26] <DeeeeP> love u alienBOB ! :D [18:26] <slackytude> lf4, poor student, eh [18:26] <lf4> slackytude: exactly ;) haha [18:27] <DeeeeP> Tux_, ill pay for a slackware.com email accont , deal ? [18:27] <lf4> Actually I am thinking about buying a few things from slackware.com's store [18:27] <lf4> DeeeeP: Oh thats a good idea. [18:27] <DeeeeP> yes [18:27] <alienBOB> Spend one percent on a Slackware donation then lf4 - you won't even notice [18:27] <rworkman> Not going to happen. [18:27] <NyteOwl> that wouldn't buy one tire for the guy up the hill's new car :/ [18:27] <rworkman> 22:27 < DeeeeP> Tux_, ill pay for a slackware.com email accont , deal ? [18:27] <rworkman> Referring to that ^^ [18:28] <DeeeeP> yes , ok :| [18:28] <firebird619> Hi rworkman [18:28] <rworkman> hi [18:28] <lf4> alienBOB: :) will do [18:28] Action: rworkman is in ATL [18:28] <NyteOwl> another turbulent lagoon? [18:28] <thrice`> rworkman: aren't you a week early? [18:29] <rworkman> thrice`: that's South Carolina on June 13 [18:29] <chopp> when are the slackware 01 00 00 00 shirts going to be ready damn it. :P [18:29] <firebird619> lol [18:29] <thrice`> oh, oops :) [18:29] <firebird619> Hey chopp [18:29] <alienBOB> Hahaha [18:29] <chopp> hey firebird619 :) [18:30] <firebird619> Hi alienBOB [18:30] <alienBOB> chopp: you're the first non-inner circle to comment on the 01 00 00 00 [18:30] <firebird619> chopp: adesklets are *still* working. yay. :P [18:30] <Pig_Pen> any Slackware bumper stickers? i would love to put one in the back window on my pickup truck [18:30] <firebird619> Pig_Pen: that'd be cool. [18:31] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-24-126-163-118.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:31] Macless (n=feraz@108.91.192-77.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:32] Action: firebird619 envisions a bumber sticker "If you don't slack, stay the heck back" :P [18:32] <slackytude> honk if you love slack [18:32] <Pig_Pen> sometimes i would go to the shopping mall in the big city and see those places that sell custom front license plates, and ask them if they have any Linux or Tux plates and they never heard of Linux, [18:32] <chopp> alienBOB: I think it's a *fine* looking boot screen. [18:32] <Pig_Pen> you seen those kiosks [18:32] <chopp> firebird619: awsome [18:32] <firebird619> :) [18:33] <happycycling> when installing a new kernel do you have to compile new alsa libraries as well from their website? Or do the slackware alsa packages surffice? [18:33] <NyteOwl> Pig_Pen: are those custom stamped metal or just printed metal/plastic? [18:33] <firebird619> This one surplus store about 50 miles from here (closed now) had tons of hilarious bumper stickers. It was fun to just take time and look through them all. [18:34] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:34] <thrice`> happycycling: you should be good. alsa is in the kernel [18:34] <happycycling> problem is that I need support for X-Fi and I have to use their unstable version [18:34] <Pig_Pen> just printed or painted, they are quite colorful and pretty, airbrushed fancy looking [18:34] <happycycling> the module compiled and installed, but it's freaking out on me [18:35] <NyteOwl> Pig_Pen: ah ok. from eperience those don't hold up well [18:35] <NyteOwl> I'm trying to find a palce that will make a stamped palte [18:35] <NyteOwl> plate [18:35] <Pig_Pen> yeah, i would not put it on the front i would hang it up in the house somewhere [18:36] <happycycling> when I modprobe the driver I get a "FATAL ERROR: unkown symbol in module" [18:36] <Pig_Pen> a stamped embossed metal plate would be durable, i would buy one with a Tux on it [18:36] michiel (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [18:36] <Pig_Pen> which module? [18:36] michiel (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left ##slackware ("/*Leaving*/"). [18:37] <happycycling> snd-ctxfi [18:37] <alienBOB> chopp: I have used this desktop background in a couple of screenshots these past months and no one dug the deeper meaning - http://www.slackware.com/~alien/graphics/slackdrop64.png [18:37] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:37] <happycycling> all the other alsa modules should load with it right? [18:37] <chopp> NyteOwl: there is a shop in west edmonton mall here that does I think. I'll check it out in a couple of days when I'm there. [18:37] <Pig_Pen> is that an out of tree (third party kernel module) [18:37] <happycycling> correct [18:37] <happycycling> well it's alsa's unstable release [18:37] <happycycling> because it has the X-Fi [18:37] <happycycling> stable doesn't [18:38] <chopp> alienBOB: really? I'd have been all over you asking what the ... [18:38] <NyteOwl> ok, thanks chopp [18:38] <chopp> NyteOwl: np [18:38] supergear_ (i=1000@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:38] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-40-21.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [18:39] <macavity> Virtual Machine Manager? [18:39] <macavity> is this a RHEL[L] thing only? [18:39] <Pig_Pen> since the alsa driver (kernel modules) are now included in the kernel source tree i dont bother with alsa's driver package, what options did you use to build it with? let me get the alsa-driver package and see whats up with it nowadays [18:39] <alienBOB> I even by mistake posted a `uname -a` of my 64bit box somewhere, as well as a x86_64 package name... I had to create smokescreens fast to cover up the mistake [18:39] Action: chopp gives his mythtv build a kick. [18:40] <happycycling> well I just followed their INSTALL directions [18:40] <chopp> alienBOB: lol I'll bet. [18:40] <BP{k}> alienBOB: you all did a good job then keeping it secret :) [18:40] <Pig_Pen> happycycling: is it 1.0.20 ? [18:40] <chopp> yes they sure did. :P [18:40] <alienBOB> It was hard enough with all the 64bit discussions here BP{k}! [18:40] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-171-237.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [18:41] <happycycling> it's a snap shot of their development tree, um let me check [18:41] <thrice`> your slamd64 posts gave it away [18:41] <Pig_Pen> ok, looking for it now [18:41] <happycycling> ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tiwai/snapshot/alsa-driver-unstable-snapshot.tar.gz [18:41] <happycycling> that's the link [18:42] chrisso (n=chrisso@drms-590c566e.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "changing servers" [18:42] Tux_ (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-91-173.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:44] Action: agentc0re is back from skydiving [18:44] <agentc0re> I survived, again! [18:44] <BP{k}> obviously ;) [18:46] <agentc0re> :D [18:46] TriniTuX (n=clayton@cuscon129015.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [18:46] <happycycling> do I have to rebuild the ntfs-3g driver upgrading kernel versions? [18:47] <pprkut> no [18:47] <happycycling> I keep getting an error where it's looking for 'fuse' when I'm trying to mount windows partition with 3g driver [18:47] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060015e964b923.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:47] <Pig_Pen> X-Fi i am not seeing anything with that X-Fi or snd-xfi [18:48] <happycycling> it's under snd-ctxfi [18:48] chrisso (n=chrisso@drms-590c566e.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [18:49] <Pig_Pen> ok i see it now [18:49] chrisso (n=chrisso@drms-590c566e.pool.einsundeins.de) left ##slackware. [18:49] <happycycling> cool [18:50] _Floops (n=baihu@sexywitch.info) joined ##slackware. [18:50] <Pig_Pen> one thing i learned a long time ago is NEVER strip the symbols from kernel modules [18:50] <lf4> Do the polo shirts shrink a lot? lol [18:50] Nick change: _Floops -> FloopsV6 [18:50] <alienBOB> lf4: it's always you that expand, these shirts do not shrink [18:50] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:50] <happycycling> so is that their code that's messing up? [18:51] <lf4> awww alienBOB :( sadly I have been shrinking a lot lately :) [18:51] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [18:51] <gm152> The polo shirts do not shrink. [18:51] <chopp> lf4: the t-shirts are very good quality. [18:51] <chopp> as are the caps [18:51] alicephilippa (n=alice@217.146.125.17) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:52] <lf4> lol Slackware ever going to come out with a beanie or hoodie? [18:52] <twolf> the case badge is nice too [18:52] <gm152> Unless you wash them in very hot water. [18:52] <lf4> chopp: cool I'll probably get the polo the caps I question because I have a larger head then most I never have found a hat that fits. [18:52] FloopsV6 (n=baihu@sexywitch.info) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:53] <Pig_Pen> it built for me, but i did not see any documention about ctxfi [18:53] <happycycling> yea same here [18:53] <Pig_Pen> did you use --with-cards=ctxfi ? [18:53] <happycycling> I just get an error when I modprobe it about module symbols [18:53] <happycycling> no, it built all of them [18:53] <macavity> how do you guys manage your virtual machine installs? [18:54] <NyteOwl> beanies? [18:54] <Pig_Pen> when you did make install i hope you did not use make install-strip [18:54] <NyteOwl> that's for Fedora folks [18:54] <happycycling> no I didn't [18:54] <macavity> eg, do you use a tool of some sort to create them and boot them in the same way, or do you perpetually type in the entire string? [18:54] <happycycling> I did make install-modules [18:54] <slackytude> macavity, I usually use the GUI stuff [18:54] <lf4> NyteOwl: haha I snowboard so it would be nice to have a beanie :) [18:54] <pprkut> macavity: vbox has a gui for that :P [18:54] Action: dchmelik jumps up and down because he downloaded Slackware64 [18:55] <NyteOwl> ? maybe you and I have two different definitions of beanie. [18:55] <NyteOwl> a beanie is a skullcap shaped cap with a small visor [18:55] <NyteOwl> often depoicted with A propellor on top [18:55] grazymax (n=grazymax@host105-192-static.12-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [18:55] <macavity> slackytude: do you qemu? [18:55] <NyteOwl> cub scouts wear beanies [18:55] <happycycling> what's weird is alsaconf detects the right module then craps out trying to set the eq levels [18:55] <lf4> NyteOwl: Hahahahaha ok yeah never mind I'm talking about the knitted caps [18:55] <Pig_Pen> well if you did not specify --with-cards-ctxfi it may have built sound card modules for every card it can possibly support (nothing bad about doing that just that if i went through the trouble of building it i would not build support for hardware i dont have) [18:55] <happycycling> ah true [18:56] <macavity> slackytude: s/you/you use/ [18:56] <slackytude> macavity, no vbox [18:56] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [18:56] <macavity> ok [18:56] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [18:56] <dchmelik> is there not something you can do like 'md5sum CHECKSUMS.md5' to make sure you dled everything ok? [18:56] <slackytude> local echo is on [18:56] <slackytude> dchmelik, yes [18:56] <firebird619> dchmelik: yeah [18:57] <Pig_Pen> you still have your kernel source? you see when building out of tree kernel modules it will want to read from your kernel source tree when building [18:57] <dchmelik> apparently wget did not get the tgz files for me though [18:57] <dchmelik> I will have to start all over [18:58] <dchmelik> too bad there is no rsync of the archives yet [18:58] <alienBOB> dchmelik: rsync allows you to work incrementally - wiithout starting over from scratch [18:58] <alienBOB> Hm [18:58] <dchmelik> at least a day or two ago there was not [18:59] <firebird619> maybe you should check again today. [18:59] <alienBOB> What I guess I do not know wehat you are trying to get [18:59] <dchmelik> Slackware64 [18:59] <Pig_Pen> what i would do it try building it again using ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --with-cards-ctxfi --with-build=<path_to_your_kernel_source> [18:59] <dchmelik> about everything but source for now [18:59] <alienBOB> It's all over the planet dchmelik [18:59] <dchmelik> I do not want to put too much of a load on the archives [18:59] <happycycling> okay let me give it a shot [18:59] supergear_ (i=1000@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Connection timed out [19:00] <dchmelik> all I saw on slackware.com was ftp and http archives... does not rsync need to be listed if an archive supports that? [19:00] supergear_ (i=1000@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:00] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:01] <alienBOB> dchmelik: never download from a slackware.com server! [19:01] <alienBOB> There are lots of fast mirrors [19:02] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-40-159-71.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:02] <thrice`> plus, it's currently broken :) [19:02] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [19:02] <alienBOB> What [19:02] <thrice`> well, according to the changelog, anyway [19:02] <happycycling> I still get the same error [19:03] <macavity> eek.. vbox requires an out-of-tree driver for the kernel [19:03] <pprkut> erm, rsync works fine here [19:03] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [19:03] <macavity> i *hate* having to recompile stuff every time i fiddle with my kernel [19:03] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [19:04] <Pig_Pen> try running depmod -a then modprobe it [19:04] <pprkut> macavity: nah, it's just one slackbuild you have to run :) [19:04] <happycycling> same thing [19:05] <Pig_Pen> i agree with alienBOB find a fast mirror, Pat's ftp is as slow as a turtle ;p [19:05] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:05] <happycycling> does it matter I'm running kde? Does it require me to be not using anything that's possibly loading sound? [19:05] <alienBOB> slackware.com is not meant to be used by "users" - it's to be used as the source for the mirrors only [19:06] supergear (i=1000@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:06] Nick change: supergear_ -> superGear [19:06] supergea1 (i=1000@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:06] TriniTuX (n=clayton@cuscon129015.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:06] <lf4> I get all my stuff from uofu.edu :) [19:06] <superGear> . [19:07] <happycycling> dmesg keeps spitting out "nd_ctxfi: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_period_elapsed" [19:07] <happycycling> that's where I go to grad school is university of utah [19:07] supergea1 (i=1000@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:08] <thrice`> does electricsheep actually work for anyone? [19:08] <lf4> happycycling: Really? I work in South Jordan :) I'm thinking about attending the U [19:08] <happycycling> haha awesome [19:08] <happycycling> yea I'm in Cottonwood heights [19:08] <Pig_Pen> run lsmod and look for any sound modules that dont belong, maybe something else is loaded that should not be there happycycling [19:08] <lf4> thrice`: They are changing servers I tried sheep once and was like i'll stick with coral and strange :D [19:09] <lf4> nice happycycling what program are you in up there? [19:09] <happycycling> there's "snd-page-alloc' and 'snd' [19:09] <happycycling> structural engineering [19:09] Action: thrice` adds it to his exclude list [19:09] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [19:10] <Pig_Pen> probably nothing wrong with those, rmmod snd-page-alloc and rmmod snd and try again, those are probably not in the way [19:10] <lf4> How is their CS program? [19:10] <happycycling> it worked! [19:10] <Pig_Pen> my armpits are sweaty, its time for a shower [19:11] <happycycling> thanks pig, I think it's good now [19:11] <happycycling> lf4, I'm not sure man [19:11] <happycycling> I could ask [19:11] <lf4> I'll just email them :) thanks though [19:11] <happycycling> no problem [19:12] <happycycling> I visited the civil eng department in person to get a feel if they're sharp. That's probably your best bet [19:12] <macavity> pprkut: ok, you win.. vbox it is :P [19:12] <thrice`> yuck, mechanical or bust [19:12] <happycycling> of course if you ask them if you're good you'll get a canned answer lol [19:13] <lf4> lol yeah I know its so funny [19:13] <macavity> pprkut: any heads up about that hardening and vboxusers stuff? [19:13] <happycycling> the us news week publishes grad school rankings. I checked there too for shits and giggles to see their engr ranking [19:14] <thrice`> everyone knows Michigan Tech is the best engineering school around [19:14] <pprkut> macavity: \o/ [19:14] <happycycling> you mean people move to michigan? :-P [19:14] <pprkut> macavity: I have them both enabled, but it's basically as you wish [19:14] <lf4> haha [19:15] <lf4> So if you preorder slackware 13 how do we tell if its the 64 or 32 bit version? [19:15] <pprkut> macavity: hardening is meant to make everything a bit more secure [19:16] <happycycling> brb [19:16] happycycling (n=john@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:16] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@189.87.113.68) joined ##slackware. [19:16] <AbsTradELic> me !! [19:16] <AbsTradELic> greetings all !! [19:16] <AbsTradELic> ^^ [19:16] <pprkut> macavity: also, if you enable hardening vboxusers is forced to on [19:16] <lf4> hi AbsTradELic [19:17] <macavity> pprkut: i just ran the script with no options [19:17] <AbsTradELic> hi lf4 [19:17] <macavity> pprkut: i did "groupadd -g 215 vboxusers" between the kernel and the machine part [19:17] <AbsTradELic> X:::)))) [19:17] <AbsTradELic> look into my eyes [19:18] <AbsTradELic> X:D [19:18] <pprkut> macavity: should be fine then [19:18] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [19:19] <macavity> Checking for iasl: ** iasl (variable IASL) not found! [19:19] <macavity> whatski?!? [19:19] <superGear> get iasl [19:19] <thrice`> GG [19:19] <LnxSlck> slackware 64 is the 64bit's official version of slackware? [19:19] <pprkut> macavity: you need acpica (as stated in the README) :P [19:20] <dchmelik> alienBOB: I have not tried to download from slackware.com in maybe a decade... you know as well as I that that is where it lists the mirrors. I just saw no rsync ones. [19:20] <macavity> pprkut: oh [19:20] <thrice`> LnxSlck: cryptically named, eh? [19:20] <LnxSlck> thrice`, :), [19:20] <LnxSlck> what about the new txz?? [19:20] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [19:20] <pprkut> macavity: btw, I have 2.2.2 on github, if you prefer a newer, less stable verion :) [19:21] <thumbs> LnxSlck: what about it? [19:21] <macavity> oh man, the buildqueue on sbopkg is nice :P [19:21] <slackytude> it is [19:21] <LnxSlck> thumbs, tgz is going to be replaced by that? [19:21] <thumbs> LnxSlck: yes. [19:21] <thumbs> LnxSlck: it is now using the lzma algorithm [19:21] <LnxSlck> thumbs, man.. i've been away far too long [19:22] <superGear> a month? [19:22] <LnxSlck> thumbs, i'm going to slackware.com to catch up [19:22] happycycling (n=john@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:22] <thumbs> LnxSlck: it's a recent change, really. [19:22] <LnxSlck> superGear, more or less.. yes [19:22] <pprkut> macavity: you have qt4, right? [19:22] <Pig_Pen> happycycling: did you get sound working? [19:22] <happycycling> yes! [19:22] <macavity> pprkut: -current [19:22] <happycycling> removing those two modules fixed it [19:22] <macavity> pprkut: now it bitches about libpcap [19:22] <LnxSlck> [tap tap tap]... Is this thing on? ;-) --> is this guy hilarious or what ? [19:22] <LnxSlck> lol [19:22] <happycycling> thanks for your help! [19:23] <Pig_Pen> good, i searched linux questions and there were only two entries for that card [19:23] <pprkut> macavity: not tested vbox on -current yet :/ [19:23] <happycycling> I believe just reloading the snd modules fixed it [19:24] <slackytude> happycycling, just a few more weeks and we can hold the official slackware neophyte ritual with you [19:24] Action: slackytude order a goat in advance [19:24] <firebird619> lol [19:24] <happycycling> few more weeks for what? [19:24] Action: BP{k} offers to check outhe virgins ;) [19:24] <LnxSlck> lol [19:24] <slackytude> and I thin we ran out of black candles again [19:24] <macavity> pprkut: sorry, libcap [19:24] <alisonken1home> speaking of sound - trying to find a reasonable usb sound setup to record/playback from a machine that doesn't have sound built-in - and only has 1 pci slot (repurposed 1u server) [19:24] <BP{k}> do we have any silver candles left? [19:25] Action: firebird619 gets some black candles...and some silver just in case. [19:25] <slackytude> yeah, needs a polish, tho [19:25] <slackytude> the silver chandlers I mean [19:25] <happycycling> alisonken1home, have you tried looking at audio interfaces on sweet water? [19:25] <pprkut> macavity: libcap should be part of Slackware [19:25] <happycycling> there are some nice usb or firewire ones [19:25] <slackytude> or hoerever those things that holds the candles is called [19:25] <alisonken1home> happycycling: never heard of it [19:25] <XGizzmo_> BP{k}: slackware ran out of virgins last release, we had to use emos as replacements. [19:25] <happycycling> how much do you want to spend? [19:26] <alisonken1home> XGizzmo_: emo's or emu's? [19:26] <happycycling> sweet water is for audio production [19:26] <firebird619> slackytude: I just call em candle holders. :P [19:26] <macavity> pprkut: yes.. i am looking at it right now [19:26] <alisonken1home> happycycling: for a church - so not extravagant. something like an sb16 equivalent that does line in/out [19:27] <tecky> less is more, but more, more than more is, so more is less, less, so use more less if you want less more [19:27] <firebird619> Oh no, tecky, /me runs. [19:27] <happycycling> creative makes an external usb card [19:27] <tecky> us o [19:27] <happycycling> let me find it [19:27] <alisonken1home> that's not well supported yet :) [19:27] <tecky> i'm back, ugh [19:27] <tecky> fat fingered the keyboard today [19:28] <happycycling> are you running it in linux? [19:28] <alisonken1home> I've been looking at it all morning. best buy has a blaster x-fi usb reasonably priced, but haven't been able to make sure linux usb audio works with it. as well as using jadkd and ardour to recording [19:29] <happycycling> I'd look through alsa's usb section [19:29] <LnxSlck> where can i read about the new txz format? [19:29] <lf4> is there a command to view a battery level on a laptop? [19:29] <happycycling> well I have a X-Fi, Pig_Pen just helped me get it working using their unstable snapshot [19:29] <happycycling> I wouldn't recommend it [19:30] <alisonken1home> been trying to look through alsa's usb section, but it's not that easy this morning. I'm mirroring slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/linux/slackware64-current at home, so websurfing is a little slow at the moment :) [19:30] <macavity> pprkut: the configure.log has some *mean* looking errors on this one [19:30] <Pig_Pen> must be relatively new hardware and alsa has not had a chance to catch up with it [19:30] <happycycling> m-audio makes good interfaces [19:30] <happycycling> the X-Fi was closed until last november then released the source [19:30] <slackytude> lf4, should be in /pric [19:30] <alisonken1home> creative has a linux beta driver, but I haven't seen good remarks about it yet [19:30] <happycycling> I've had my card since 2007 [19:30] <slackytude> /proc [19:31] <alisonken1home> true - but I'm trying to find a local store that carries m-audio usb at a reasonable price [19:31] <macavity> pprkut: where is the file called "cstdio" located on your install? [19:31] <macavity> uh, anyone on 12.2? [19:31] <firebird619> I am [19:31] <slackytude> lf4, /sys/power/state [19:31] <alisonken1home> me [19:31] <BP{k}> /usr/include/c++/4.2.4/cstdio [19:31] <happycycling> you need both input and outputs? [19:31] <BP{k}> /usr/include/c++/4.2.4/tr1/cstdio [19:31] <firebird619> 32 bit however. [19:31] <Pig_Pen> i have an ancient creative labs sound card with that big 1371 chip on it, works great [19:31] <firebird619> Hey BP{k}, how's your day going? [19:32] <macavity> the test for libcap on vbox just says "#include <cstdio>" [19:32] <BP{k}> firebird619: not bad :) nice and quiet. :) [19:32] <macavity> what versions of libcap do you have? [19:32] <macavity> i have 2.16 here [19:32] <BP{k}> ibcap-2.14-i486-1 [19:32] <alisonken1home> Pig_Pen: I only have 1 pci slot I'd like to use for something else, but if I need to use it for sound, I could probably do that. I was hoping to find a decent usb audio adapter rather than take over the only slot I have right now [19:33] <BP{k}> s/^/l/ [19:33] <macavity> odd.. [19:33] <macavity> the test fails with a good handfull of these: /usr/include/sys/capability.h:98: error: 'pid_t' was not declared in this scope [19:33] <macavity> as if cstdio was not included at all [19:34] <pprkut> macavity: I'm on it, give me a bit [19:34] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [19:34] <macavity> i bet hacking #include <stdio.h> into the top of capability.h would get us around it :P [19:34] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [19:34] <macavity> or at least stdlib.h [19:34] <lf4> slackytude: humm state just shows mem and disk lol how do I check it? [19:35] <macavity> pprkut: roger, its nice to be heard [19:35] <thrice`> macavity: what are you compiling, virtualbox-ose ? [19:35] <macavity> yes [19:36] <macavity> i am too dense to use qemu without a front end :P [19:37] <slackytude> lf4, gah [19:37] <slackytude> lf4, /proc/acpi/batter [19:37] <slackytude> lf4, /proc/acpi/battery [19:37] <happycycling> creative makes a 24-bit emu10k1 usb card. I dunno if they still make it [19:38] <Urchlay> macavity: be patient, I've just sent PV a bug report on that [19:38] <lf4> Thanks slackytude that worked... wonder why localte did not find it when I did a search. [19:38] <macavity> Urchlay: on what exactly? [19:38] <macavity> Urchlay: broken capability.h? [19:38] <Urchlay> exactly what you're talking about, capability.h is borked [19:39] <macavity> Urchlay: did hacking in #include <stdio.h> and #include <stdlib.h> work? [19:39] <Urchlay> if you get the slackbuild from -current and remove the line that patches the header, rebuild/install libcap, it'll fix it (at least for vbox) [19:39] <macavity> okies [19:39] <Urchlay> but vbox still won't compile [19:39] <thrice`> lol [19:39] <macavity> ack [19:40] <macavity> why not? [19:40] <Urchlay> configure will get past the libcap test, but die with "can't compile 32-bit binaries" [19:40] <macavity> O_O [19:40] <thrice`> what about 2.2.2? [19:40] <Urchlay> if you add --nofatal to the configure line, it'll keep going... [19:40] <tecky> evening Urchlay [19:40] <Urchlay> but then it bombs out during the make: /usr/include/linux/swab.h:148: error: redefinition of '__u16 __swab16p(const __u16*)' [19:40] <Pig_Pen> or -k --keep-going [19:41] <macavity> geez [19:41] <Urchlay> Pig_Pen: no, ./configure --nofatal, not make -k [19:41] <Pig_Pen> ah [19:41] <Pig_Pen> ok [19:41] <macavity> vbox is hosed on -currnet [19:41] <Urchlay> (or do configure scripts also accept -k?) [19:41] <Pig_Pen> not that i know of [19:41] <Urchlay> hola, tecky [19:42] <Urchlay> thrice`: vbox 2.2.2? I haven't tried that yet, worth a shot though [19:42] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [19:42] <Urchlay> macavity: someone in here told me the closed-source vbox will work on -current64, I haven't tried that either [19:43] <macavity> i dont do propietary software [19:43] <Urchlay> I do, but only as a last resort [19:43] <macavity> i guess ill just have to use qemu then [19:43] <Urchlay> have you built qemu yet? [19:43] <macavity> yes [19:43] <Pig_Pen> i wonder what oracle is going to do with Sun, what makes me wonder is Sun just got done aquiring mysql, vbox and some other goodies [19:43] <Urchlay> any issues? [19:43] <macavity> none [19:44] <Urchlay> cool. Maybe I'll switch to qemu for now [19:44] <macavity> i just need a tool to manage it [19:44] <Urchlay> ...I don't suppose qemu can use vbox's virtual disk images as-is, can it? [19:44] <macavity> i have no intention of figuring out all those switches and manually making disk images and what not [19:45] <Urchlay> (bleah, even if qemu can use my vbox disk image, the guest OS is win2k, which probably will shit the bed if qemu's emulated hardware is much different from vbox's. Ugh) [19:46] <pprkut> Urchlay: I don't get the libcap problem on slackware64 [19:46] <Rat409> macavity: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kqemu/ [19:46] <firebird619> Hey Rat409 [19:46] <Rat409> hey firebird619 how goes it? [19:46] <Urchlay> pprkut: eh? can you compile this without errors? http://pastebin.ca/1432319 [19:46] <Pig_Pen> oracle swalled sun, just like the law of the jungle, some big fish eats some smaller fish, then this really big fish comes and eats the big fish [19:46] <firebird619> Rat409: It goes well, thanks. you? [19:46] <macavity> Rat409: last update january 2006 [19:47] <macavity> Rat409: that was before "the real kquemu" [19:47] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-91-171.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] <Rat409> good,massive weekend laundry otherwise good lol [19:47] <Rat409> oh macavity sorry [19:47] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-75-184.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:47] <firebird619> macavity: http://sourceforge.net/projects/aqemu/ [19:48] <macavity> firebird619: now that looks like it :-) [19:48] <firebird619> :) [19:48] <Rat409> not sure on this http://code.google.com/p/vemul/ [19:48] <Rat409> sweet firebird619 [19:49] <Urchlay> pprkut: someone in here (and I forget who) tried that for me on 32-bit -current and got the same errors I do on 64 [19:51] <macavity> ok, so far aqemu seems to be happy compiling [19:52] <dchmelik> so are there any Slackware64 torrents yet? [19:52] <rob0> There won't be torrents before an actual release. What is "released" is slackware-64-current. [19:53] <pprkut> Urchlay: nope, doesn't compile. But vbox doesn't complain (2.2.2) [19:53] <firebird619> macavity: good to hear. Hope it works good for you. [19:53] <rob0> um, slackware64-current, I guess [19:55] <dchmelik> ok, people were talking about rsync, but I re-checked slackware.com mirrors and there is only ftp and http... you have to have some program that will allow getting all files. [19:55] <macavity> oops [19:55] <macavity> the Makefile does not honner DESTDIR [19:56] <firebird619> for aqemu? [19:56] <twolf> dchmelik: you can find a rsync server here: http://alphageek.dyndns.org/linux/slackware-mirrors.shtml [19:56] <alisonken1home> happycycling: which creative emu10k1 card? [19:56] <macavity> firebird619: yes [19:56] <alisonken1home> dchmelik: wget [19:56] <firebird619> macavity: well that sucks. :P [19:56] <alisonken1home> I'm using it now to sync with slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware64-current [19:57] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] <dchmelik> twolf: thanks [19:57] <alisonken1home> dchmelik: command I'm using: wget -m -np -nH --cut-dirs=3 "ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/" [19:58] <thrice`> eew, use rsync for such endeavors [19:58] <Urchlay> pprkut: ah, 2.2.2 maybe doesn't use libcap, or something [19:58] <Urchlay> pprkut: this was 2.1.2 [19:58] <alisonken1home> thrice`: I'd like to, but not too man availabel at the moment :) [19:59] <pprkut> Urchlay: it does use libcap [19:59] <macavity> firebird619: i am not about to make install on this one... and running it from the sourcedir seems to give it the hickups [19:59] <dchmelik> I tried wget also. it was a mess [19:59] <macavity> firebird619: it bitches among other things about not being able to find qemu-img [19:59] <Pig_Pen> i likes wget -m i stole many graphics with that -m switch [19:59] <thrice`> you could have read a wiki on flags by now and had your image up and running ;) [19:59] <alisonken1home> dchmelik: what kind of mess? [19:59] <Urchlay> dchmelik: you can rsync slackware64-current from rsync.osuorl.org (that's how I got it) [20:00] <firebird619> macavity: yeah, sorry it didn't work for you. too bad it doesn't have a DESTDIR option. [20:00] <lf4> Is it offical that slackware 13.0 will be have 32/64 bit versions? [20:00] <Pig_Pen> i would find a not so secure website and i would not do anything evil but i would mirror it just to see what crap they had [20:00] <alisonken1home> the dvd will [20:00] <thrice`> lf4: yes, it should [20:00] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:00] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [20:00] <lf4> thrice`: So how come on the slackstore there is just one optino for preordering slack 13? [20:01] <dchmelik> oh... I saw the announcement but I did not know they had an rsync... that is what I will do [20:01] <thrice`> because it's not close enough to release yet? [20:01] <alisonken1home> lf4: the note I got from them was the dvd will be dual sided - slackware on side 2, slackware64 on side 2 [20:01] <dchmelik> thanks, Urchlay [20:01] <Urchlay> rsync://rsync.osuorl.org/slackware/slackware64-current IIRC [20:01] <alisonken1home> sorry - slackware side 1, slackware64 side 2 [20:01] <lf4> alisonken1home: Oh cool :) [20:02] <lf4> I'm going to place an order for that then :D [20:03] <Urchlay> errr, rsync://rsync.osuosl.org/slackware/slackware64-current (I can't seem to type it correctly...) [20:03] <dchmelik> oh... that must be why my rscync is not letting me login [20:03] <dchmelik> I guess you have to type the whole URL anyway [20:04] <Pig_Pen> rsync http://osuosl.org/slackware/slackware64-current [20:04] <Urchlay> rsync can use http? I did not know that [20:04] <Pig_Pen> rsync http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware64-current/ [20:05] <Pig_Pen> thats the right link [20:05] <alisonken1home> lf4: I find a subscription is usually cheaper and easier than an order :) [20:05] <Urchlay> Pig_Pen: my link (the typo-corrected one) also works [20:05] <Pig_Pen> or you could do: wget -m http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware64-current/ [20:05] <firebird619> macavity: looks like the majority of the other front ends out there haven't had new versions for a few years. [20:05] <dchmelik> the rsync URL says they prefer only primary mirrors use their service then it exits [20:06] <Pig_Pen> the bad thing about wget is it follows the parent directory so you got to kill it when it finishes with slackware64-current ;p [20:06] <macavity> where the fsck is the "switch to super user" in the KDE4 Login Manager Settings gizmo?!? [20:06] <twolf> dchmelik: that is why I choose one from the link I gave you [20:06] <Urchlay> eh, what does your rsync command look like? should be rsync -avz <url> . [20:06] <thrice`> noo, -z is bad [20:06] <Urchlay> eh, whatever, leave it off then [20:06] <alisonken1home> Pig_Pen: depends on the option - there's a --no-parent option that will stop that [20:07] <dchmelik> twolf: I am looking at that page [20:07] <dchmelik> my rsync was 'rsync [URL] .' [20:07] <Urchlay> dchmelik: you need at least the -a [20:07] <dchmelik> ok [20:07] <thrice`> rsync -va --progress slackware.mirrors.tds.net::slackware/slackware64-current/ /path/to/destination [20:07] <Urchlay> otherwise it doesn't recurse subdirectories [20:08] <dchmelik> so 'v' recurses? [20:08] <lf4> alisonken1home: Yeah but I dont know if I'd be able to do 40 every 6 months. [20:08] <BP{k}> you mighnt want --delete as well. [20:08] <dchmelik> I thought 'a' does... [20:08] <Urchlay> no, -v is "verbose" [20:08] <alisonken1home> lf4: good point [20:09] <dchmelik> oh yeah I had just looked that up but it was said again ;) [20:09] <dchmelik> I stayed up all night 2 nights ago [20:09] <dchmelik> thrice: what is the '::' in your command? [20:10] <nille_> quiz whos drunk to night? [20:10] <thrice`> dchmelik: the module. not really needed, I guess [20:10] <firebird619> Hey nille_ [20:10] <lf4> Once I make $20+/hr then I probably would be able to do it :) I like supporting projects like it though (freenode being one of them). [20:10] <Urchlay> dchmelik: different syntax for giving the server and host (not a URL, the older style rsync-specific way) [20:10] <dchmelik> ok... I will have to look up these progress and delete flags [20:10] <Urchlay> er, server and path [20:11] <Urchlay> nille_: I was drunk last night, won't be tonight I don't think [20:11] <dchmelik> can you use -z and --progress at once? [20:11] <Urchlay> yeah [20:11] <dchmelik> great [20:11] <thrice`> I think -z is a little rough on the mirrors [20:12] <Urchlay> -z isn't all that useful for this anyway, because the packages are already compressed (and so are the source tarballs) [20:12] <dchmelik> well it looks like -z is for compressing info you send to the server [20:12] <Urchlay> I use -z out of habit, that's all [20:13] <Urchlay> dchmelik: you aren't sending all that much to the server, compared to what it's sending back... [20:15] <dchmelik> I know, but if it speeds things up that is good [20:16] <nille_> Urchlay i'm drunk as fucked and hadf to nice swedish blondes over that went out and gonna call me in the week (i did (don't know if it's the right word) pet them but thats all) now i'm waiting on the third blonde :) i love swden [20:16] <nille_> s/to/two/ [20:16] <slackytude> lol [20:17] <Urchlay> nille_: nice [20:17] <slackytude> man, I need to go on holyday this summer break [20:17] <Urchlay> one of these years I too wish to travel to the land of blondes [20:17] <lf4> Is there any good readings for configuring bluetooth in slackware? lol I'm just messing around with hci tool and config trying to piece things together. [20:17] <Urchlay> (and I don't mean Florida either) [20:17] <nille_> i wish nullboy was here so i could cheer him up abit :) [20:17] <lf4> nille_: Did he go? [20:17] <slackytude> I dont think that would cheer him up [20:18] <nille_> Urchlay if you ever go to sweden look me up and you will have a place to stay @ [20:18] <nille_> he? [20:18] <nille_> you mean she :p [20:18] seatbelt (n=w@ti0006a380-dhcp0073.bb.online.no) left irc: [20:18] <lf4> lol nullboy is a girl? [20:18] <nille_> to bad i miss him around [20:19] <slackytude> lf4, nah [20:19] <nille_> he is? no way? [20:19] <slackytude> lf4, you didnt get the joke [20:19] <lf4> ahh ok [20:19] <nille_> i wouldn't belive thatr [20:19] <slackytude> nille_, he isnt, damn your drunk imaginatio [20:19] <nille_> no girl drives a moterbike like he does :p [20:19] <Urchlay> nille_: it'll be a good long while before I have the money to do anything like that [20:19] Action: lf4 is at work bored so reading about bluetooth and looking over on irc once in a while. [20:20] <nille_> hahaha lol [20:20] <lf4> Urchlay: its not that expensive :) [20:20] <lf4> you make the big bux ;) [20:20] <Urchlay> eh, not really, no [20:21] <nille_> it doesn't cost that much and if you get travel insurence then you can fool them and get your money back, not that i incurrage tit [20:21] <rob0> more suitable for #kde, but others might find this entertaining ... http://pastie.org/487701 [20:21] <lf4> I can wire you some money lol just dont ask where it came from :D [20:21] <Urchlay> incurrage tit, nice Freudian typo :) [20:21] <lf4> nille_: wait fool the travel insurence company and get your money back? How? [20:22] <nille_> well that i will tell you when you order the trip [20:23] <nille_> i only had 1 litre of gin and tocin so i'm not that drunk yet :p [20:23] <lf4> nille_: lol interesting (when I flew to South Africa I had travel insurance) it was not that much. [20:23] <slackid> hello [20:23] <lf4> hi slackid [20:23] <slackid> does the bind package in -Current fix the installation problem? [20:23] <nille_> hello slackid [20:23] <firebird619> hello slackid [20:23] <nille_> what problem? [20:24] <slackid> if you download -Current iso, some people reported that it hung when installing bind [20:24] <nille_> and your running current or 12.2? [20:24] <slackid> -Current [20:24] <slackid> vld-10 [20:25] <slackid> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-current-iso-hangs-on-install-723407/?highlight=bind+Slackware-Current [20:25] <nille_> hmm the i do not know :p i'm not running current yet but i do drink alot today :p [20:25] <slackid> hahaha [20:25] <nille_> brb gotta smoke :) [20:25] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.233.162) joined ##slackware. [20:25] <lf4> lol nille_ has to have the word "drink" in every message sent ;) [20:26] <slackytude> Im just glad it isnt "blondes" [20:26] <slackid> if i look at the changelog : Use /dev/urandom to stop blocking on install. i think it's the fix [20:26] <lf4> Hahaha slackytude you dont like blondes? [20:26] <slackytude> never said that [20:26] <firebird619> haha [20:27] <NyteOwl> lf4: you giving away free money? [20:27] <firebird619> :O, if so I'll take some. :P [20:27] <lf4> NyteOwl: Yeah... I think my monopoly game still has some left :) would you like it? [20:27] <firebird619> haha [20:27] <firebird619> wooot, monopoly money. [20:27] <NyteOwl> naw that's ok [20:28] <lf4> I do have Life money but its value is not as good as monopoly ;) [20:28] <Urchlay> heh, the biggest one is a $100,000 bill, I remember those [20:29] <Urchlay> won millions playing poker with my brother... [20:29] <firebird619> That'd be nice to have in real life. :P [20:29] Action: lf4 wonders if anyone ever tried to actaully pay for something "in real life" with that type of money haha. [20:29] <lf4> Urchlay: nice [20:29] <firebird619> lf4: I'm sure there's someone out there that has. [20:29] <Urchlay> firebird619: you know how they draw a line on a $100 bill with a marker to check if it's fake? [20:29] <firebird619> yeah [20:29] <lf4> firebird619: find it on youtube you will [20:30] <Urchlay> am guessing they'd do a full fluoroscope/x-ray/etc on a $100K bill [20:30] <lf4> Urchlay: man I hated drawing those lines :P [20:30] <firebird619> lf4: heh, probably. "Hey look at that guy trying to pay with monopoly money...where's my phone...I gotta get this on youtube." :P [20:30] <firebird619> Urchlay: haha, probably. [20:31] <Urchlay> lf4: last job I had where I had to handle money, I caught my boss in the act of stealing $50 from the cash drawer. [20:31] <lf4> firebird619: lol there was a video of some guy trying to pay with all pennies... (even bought a car with pennies lol had a pickup truck's bed filled with them. [20:31] <lf4> Urchlay: wow thats lame [20:31] <firebird619> hahaha [20:31] <Urchlay> lf4: nobody there but me and him, I *caught* him, and I still got fired, not him. After that I've refused to take any job that involves cash registers or handling money [20:32] <Urchlay> apparently I just look or act like the kind of person who would steal, even though I never have [20:32] <firebird619> lf4: like the elderly person you see on tv counting out the ziploc baggie of pennies. Halfway through, "oops, I lost count, lets start over." [20:32] <lf4> Yeah I was a cashier and this new emplyee they were hiring and training lol I thought something was funny about him... ends up one night his till was $300 short and he never showed up for work again.. wonder why ;) [20:32] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:33] Action: firebird619 waves hello to Old_Fogie [20:33] <lf4> firebird619: haha yeah but now they do it with a scale its pretty cool. [20:33] <Old_Fogie> hello all [20:33] <lf4> hey Old_Fogie how you doing? [20:33] <firebird619> lf4: yeah [20:33] <firebird619> Old_Fogie: how goes it? [20:33] <Old_Fogie> good good :) [20:33] <thumbs> firebird619: I have to send the laptop to the shop again :( [20:33] <slackytude> y0 Old_Fogie d [20:33] <firebird619> thumbs: the locked up one? [20:34] <firebird619> or your other one you had fixed before? [20:34] <lf4> firebird619: you had a locked up laptop? [20:34] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.81.21) joined ##slackware. [20:34] <Pig_Pen> i think the penny should be discontinued, and all prices rounded off to the nearest nickel [20:34] <firebird619> no, thumbs does. [20:34] <firebird619> lf4: ^^ [20:34] <thumbs> firebird619: no, the new dell [20:34] <lf4> Pig_Pen: I agree with you but IL has a big issue with that. [20:34] <firebird619> thumbs: yikes, how come? [20:34] <thumbs> firebird619: the battery does not charge any more. [20:35] <firebird619> how long you had it? [20:35] <Urchlay> lf4: I even got fired from a crappy job like that once, because this woman who hated me, told the boss "I saw him out smoking crack by the dumpster" [20:35] <lf4> firebird619: ahh lol read that wrong. [20:35] <thumbs> firebird619: I have a new mobo, you remember? Two weeks later, no more charging. [20:35] <Urchlay> I have never smoked crack [20:35] <firebird619> Old_Fogie: btw, htop is amazing. :) [20:35] <lf4> Urchlay: lol what? thats insane [20:35] <Pig_Pen> because of Lincoln being on it, fsck illinois they got the 5 dollar bill [20:35] <firebird619> thumbs: ouch, that sucks. [20:35] <thumbs> firebird619: yes, but it's free of charge, this time. [20:35] <Old_Fogie> firebird619, yup, told ya :) one of the first app's I install everytime. [20:35] <firebird619> thumbs: thankfully. [20:35] <thumbs> firebird619: still no laptop for 4-5 business days. [20:36] <firebird619> thumbs: do anymore with the locked up one. Now you really need to get that one going. :P [20:36] <lf4> haha firebird619 you should try iftop and ntop ( spent 4 hours playing with them lastnight haha went to bed at 6am) [20:36] <thumbs> firebird619: I know :( [20:36] <firebird619> Old_Fogie: right now with something compiling, it's using about half my ram. [20:36] <nille_> ohh fuck the boose is getting to my mind :p [20:36] <Urchlay> nille_: you mean, just now? [20:36] <thumbs> I stopped the boose. [20:36] <lf4> nille_: sure its not the alcohol? [20:36] <firebird619> lf4: I tried iftop earlier, very nice. Haven't tried ntop yet. [20:37] <Old_Fogie> firebird619, with having your /tmp/tmpfs combo, no doubt. [20:37] <Pig_Pen> nille_: wait until you go to bed and the bed starts spinning [20:37] <nille_> hi firebird619 lol i'm drunk as fucked :p [20:37] <lf4> ntop its a more advanced iftop with loging functions :) [20:37] <firebird619> Old_Fogie: Is that what causes so much ram to be used? tmpfs? [20:37] <firebird619> nille_: I gathered as much. :P [20:37] <Old_Fogie> firebird619, when you mount /tmp to it sure [20:37] <firebird619> lf4: sweet [20:37] <nille_> Urchlay and Pig_Pen i'm only concluding the facts [20:37] <firebird619> Old_Fogie: I maybe should remove that eh? [20:38] <nille_> hi firebird619 lol i'm drunk as fucked :p [20:38] <Old_Fogie> firebird619, on a box you surf the net with, and build on? me personally, yea I'd have /tmp the way it comes with slack. and the tmpfs with tight perm's, but I'm in the tinfoil hat brigade. [20:38] <lf4> lol well back to messing around with this bluetooth stuff :P [20:39] <firebird619> lf4: When this compile is done, I'll install ntop and check it out. [20:39] <alkos333> So there are going to be two trees now? 64-bit and a 32-bit tree? [20:39] <Urchlay> good question [20:39] <alisonken1home> at least for a release or two [20:39] <Old_Fogie> firebird619, many of them guides tell you how to "run from ram" but the author's (many times ubuntards) don't go far enuff to explain implications. /me takes off tin foil hat. [20:40] <firebird619> Old_Fogie: ok, if I remove the tmpfs for /tmp, what do you mean tight perms on tmpfs? Sorry, I didn't quite understand that. :) [20:40] <nille_> yes but 64bit is true c64 if you need 32bit apps then run 32bit slackware [20:40] aghori (n=vark@92.6.176.229) joined ##slackware. [20:40] <alkos333> Urchlay: Looks like it's going to be in addition to, not a replacement: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.slackware/browse_thread/thread/07e6af247df812da [20:40] <dchmelik> fred is working on the 32-bit [20:40] <alisonken1home> nille_: there's still the possibility of 32-bit compatibility libs for slack64 [20:40] <alkos333> alisonken1home: eventually it will be 64 only, really? [20:41] <Old_Fogie> firebird619, nosuid,noexec,nodev (but nodev can be touchy so read about it more). see man fstab about it. [20:41] <Urchlay> nille_: actually my 64-current box can run 32-bit apps now (I've been working on a script to strip out everything from the 32-bit packages except /lib and /usr/lib) [20:41] <dchmelik> alkos333: NOOO! :( [20:41] <alisonken1home> alkos333: there's no 32-bit being sold anymore, so I would expect 32-bit to die sometime in the next 10 years [20:41] <dchmelik> it will not die [20:41] <Urchlay> actually I suppose the script is as done as it's going to get for now, ought to release it [20:41] <firebird619> Old_Fogie: Ok, thank you. [20:41] <nille_> Old_Fogie don't take the tin folie hat off your hair isn't that nice now so please help us from looking at your hair or imageing [20:41] <gm152> It'll die by 2038. [20:41] <alisonken1home> dchmelik: tha'ts what they said about xt's :) [20:42] <dchmelik> gm512: why 2038? [20:42] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:42] <slackytude> 32bit time overflow [20:42] <firebird619> nille_: you've had enough booze, put the bottle down and back away from the keyboard. :P [20:42] <alisonken1home> that's the unix epch (like slackytude said) [20:42] <Urchlay> cause a 32-bit time_t offset from the UNIX epoch will roll over in 2038 [20:42] <thumbs> alisonken1home: my XT still lives. [20:42] <gm152> 32 bit time() will overflow in 2038. [20:42] <Old_Fogie> firebird619, the thing is you're trying to limit using swap no? is that you're ulitimate goal here with doing that. cuz you can read up on /proc/sys/vm/swappiness. adjusting that paramater limits the ratio in use prior to dumping stuff to swap [20:42] <dchmelik> I need my pIII in 2039 to run demos [20:42] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) joined ##slackware. [20:42] <nille_> urchlay offcourse you can run anything on slackware64 my intension was only to be an guidence [20:42] <alisonken1home> gm152: mine died some years ago [20:42] <Urchlay> o/~ swappiness... is a warm gun o/~ [20:43] <macavity> any of you guys have an iPAQ? [20:43] <alisonken1home> dchmelik: what kind of demo still uses 8-bit? [20:43] <Old_Fogie> Urchlay, I don't follow you [20:43] <nille_> firebird619 it's never enuff [20:43] <Old_Fogie> macavity, I do. older one's tho [20:43] <Urchlay> Old_Fogie: mangled Beatles lyrics, probably not really funny... [20:43] <macavity> Old_Fogie: are they only PDA or PDA+phone? [20:43] <Pig_Pen> by the time 2038 comes around i will be in my 70s and i wont care anymore [20:43] <firebird619> Old_Fogie: oh yeah, I have read about swappiness before, forgot about it. [20:43] <nille_> now i'm waiting for 2 new girls to drop by after the pub and fu*k [20:43] <Old_Fogie> macavity, mine is not a phone, it's about 4years old [20:44] <slackytude> nille_, what are you doing in #slachware then? [20:44] <macavity> Old_Fogie: the WP article is rather unclear about the phone thing.. do you know if the entire series is PDA-only, or what? [20:44] <Old_Fogie> macavity, it's a windows pocket pc OS, there are phone/modems that I can buy/add on. wifi cards, gps too. but it's a PDA device. [20:44] <Pig_Pen> nille_: too much booze will knock the lead out of your pencil (if you know what i mean) [20:44] <dchmelik> alisonken1home: the only 8-bit demo I have seen was on the Ti-85... I do not see your point [20:44] <slackytude> with 64bit, the sun will explode before time overflows [20:44] <macavity> Old_Fogie: ok, that explains it [20:44] <nille_> well i'm waiting :p [20:45] <slackytude> or close to it, anyway [20:45] frkbr (n=frk@189.58.213.54.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:45] <macavity> Old_Fogie: that means that i want a hx4700 or above [20:45] <alisonken1home> dchmelik: your comment about still needing an xt for a demo [20:45] <macavity> Old_Fogie: i am looking for an solution to the GF that integrates nicely with our KDE technologies [20:45] <Old_Fogie> macavity, I have 8000 series and under [20:45] <NyteOwl> why aren't you at the pub with the girls? [20:45] <NyteOwl> heh [20:45] <Old_Fogie> macavity, mine are pre-HX series [20:45] <dchmelik> I did not mention XT... I mentioned pIII [20:46] <macavity> Old_Fogie: eg, auto sync with kaddressbook etc [20:46] <alisonken1home> dchmelik: sorry - was talking about xt and you noted a pIII - sorry [20:46] <Old_Fogie> macavity, mine do in debian. I've yet to ever get it to work on slackware. [20:46] <Urchlay> alisonken1home: the XT ain't dead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJI5Xhtv_s0 [20:46] <macavity> Old_Fogie: hell, if i have to run NetBSD on it i will :P [20:46] <macavity> Old_Fogie: as long as i can get it to run KDE4 i am happy [20:47] <macavity> Old_Fogie: KDE4 works very well on small screens [20:47] <nille_> me loves sweden and i want you all to come and visitr to see all the girls we got here :p [20:47] K-Shadow (n=K-Shadow@ool-44c7460b.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [20:47] <dchmelik> alisonken1home: so you ran some 8-bit demos? Which? Is not Spacepigs - Megademo even for 286? It is the oldest I know if. [20:47] <macavity> nille_: been there.. no different from the Danish girls :P [20:47] <lf4> lol [20:47] <Old_Fogie> macavity, I read up on how to dump the win/pocket os a while back, and the instructions were horrid, I was confused on the steps. maybe things have changed, but that's why I never did it, I"m scared of bricking it. [20:47] <gm152> I have NetBSD running in a qemu .. not bad! [20:47] <nille_> me got 0.5 litre left to be drunk for real :p [20:47] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-248-127-232.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [20:48] <nille_> macivity yes there are ours got better vtits :p [20:48] <alisonken1home> dchmelik: the only 8bit I know of is the older snes (or something similiar) 8-bit game console emulators from ages ago [20:48] <slackytude> vtits? [20:48] <slackytude> curious [20:48] <macavity> nille_: vtits? heck, i want rtits :P [20:48] <lf4> slackytude: thats virutal ;) [20:48] <gm152> Virtual teats? [20:48] <nille_> tits i mean sorry [20:48] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:48] <Urchlay> V-shaped tits... like Lara Croft has [20:48] <lf4> hahaha [20:48] <Old_Fogie> bb [20:48] <nille_> well that wouldn't matter [20:48] <slackytude> better aero dynamic shape I suppose [20:48] <slackytude> for extra speed [20:49] <WildWizard> For those curious about the status of the new kernel mascot http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/05/22/2577801.htm?site=science&topic=latest [20:49] <Urchlay> you could get killed if you weren't careful though [20:49] <alisonken1home> slackytude: I'm more into padding myself :) [20:49] <lf4> slackytude: dont poke an eye out ;) [20:49] <nille_> more round and less hanging there :p [20:49] <slackytude> same for hydrodynamics actually. might be swimmers? [20:49] <slackytude> alisonken1home, whatever floats your boat, mate [20:49] <nille_> macavity i'm waiting for your response to me :p [20:49] <slackytude> lf4, I try ^-^ [20:50] <alisonken1home> slackytude: don't have to float a boat - just my head :) [20:50] <lf4> slackytude: now that face with the subject lol [20:50] <slackytude> hehe [20:50] <dchmelik> any good GNU/Linux demos? [20:50] <nille_> okay i forgot to add tonic watoer to my gin and tonic so it tasted like danish vodka :p [20:50] <lf4> dchmelik: demos? [20:50] <thumbs> dchmelik: demos? [20:50] <slackytude> dchmelik, demos? [20:51] <nille_> macavity i'm still waiting :p [20:51] <dchmelik> graphics programming possibly also with synchronized music... like a music video [20:51] <dchmelik> it is probably listed in The Jargon File [20:51] <slackytude> eh, a linux demo. with music? [20:51] <firebird619> look on youtube. :P [20:52] <dchmelik> why would I want to run one on Youtube rather than natively? [20:52] <Urchlay> load up Quake and watch it play itself? :) [20:52] <nille_> now i did add an 3G antenna to my t60 and a simcard holder so i can useWWAN but in [20:52] <dchmelik> and it would be on demoscene.tv [20:52] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:52] <firebird619> Urchlay: lol [20:52] <thumbs> firebird619: so the wintendo admin at work gave me shit because I installed perl to do my scripts on the server. [20:52] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:52] <thumbs> firebird619: apparently, he was expecting me to use vbscript, or something [20:52] <Urchlay> thumbs: can he even write code in any language? [20:52] <thumbs> Urchlay: he can. [20:52] <slackytude> thumbs, lolz [20:52] <dchmelik> one demo said 'I do not like gamer lamers'... and that is my opinion too. [20:53] <lf4> lol [20:53] <firebird619> thumbs: lol [20:53] <firebird619> thumbs: He didn't make you remove perl though did he? :P [20:53] <nille_> i'm still waiting for the card and to choose the right one [20:53] <thumbs> all I asked for was ONE linux box. ONE. [20:53] <slackytude> better than None [20:53] <thumbs> firebird619: he removed it, deleted my script, and the daily uploads failed. [20:53] <slackytude> ouch [20:53] <firebird619> Ugh, that sucks. [20:53] <slackytude> big ouch [20:53] <thumbs> firebird619: luckily, I have backups. [20:53] <nille_> i think i will go foor the ericsson with gps for 150 [20:54] <firebird619> :) [20:54] <firebird619> s/foor/for [20:54] <slackytude> thumbs, he in trouble or you? [20:54] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.44) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:54] <dartmouth> I need to back up a windows installation (40 gb) and put it on a disc in a way where I can expand it back onto the hard drive at a later date [20:54] <thumbs> slackytude: he is, but it's OK, I fixed it. [20:54] <slackytude> dartmouth, partimage [20:54] <thumbs> really, all I ask for is ONE linux server. Any distro is fine. [20:54] <NyteOwl> gps phones suck [20:54] <thumbs> I can tolerate debian, even. I just want linux. [20:55] <slackytude> you might get suse [20:55] <thumbs> like I said, ANY distro is fine. [20:55] <firebird619> Fedora :D [20:55] <danc3> Noobuntu [20:55] <thumbs> danc3: OK, not quite [20:55] <danc3> heh [20:55] <firebird619> thumbs: puppy? :P [20:56] <Urchlay> has anyone made a better version of ubuntu and called ubunthree? [20:56] <nille_> so now red divils is comming here so i need to good se you all later :p [20:56] <firebird619> Urchlay: Not that I know of. :P [20:56] <firebird619> later nille_ [20:56] <dchmelik> or gentoo [20:56] <Urchlay> genthree... [20:57] <slackytude> good luck nille_ [20:57] <thumbs> firebird619: the problem is that he was raised and taugh windowisms in school. [20:57] <firebird619> Ugh [20:57] <slackytude> thumbs, those are annoying [20:57] <slackytude> and clueless [20:57] <thumbs> firebird619: only recently he has noticed linux, since we use it on our desktops at work [20:57] <slackytude> what you do? [20:58] <thumbs> coding and db administration, mostly. [20:58] <slackytude> internal stuff? or for customers [20:59] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] <thumbs> I built the online customer portal. [20:59] <thumbs> and I maintain it, once in a while. So my code is more or less db-oriented [21:00] <thumbs> we are expected to release the re-design at the end of the month, too. So I am wrapping that up. [21:01] <dchmelik> anyone made a version of gentoo not as good as Slackware and called it metoo? [21:01] <thumbs> actually, the admin does not bother me as much as the new hire, when he came to me and asked me how to configure MS Visual Studio to upload files to the server. [21:01] <slackytude> heh [21:01] <thumbs> ... um... I use vim and scp. [21:01] <alisonken1home> thumbs: doh! [21:02] <thumbs> he asked the wrong guy. [21:02] <thumbs> oh and I also maintain the PCs in the office. Recently, our wintendo print server died, so I got a new HDD and set up slack 12.2 + cups on it. No one noticed. [21:02] <slackytude> hehe [21:03] <slackytude> we have to reboot our wintendo print server once in a while [21:03] <thumbs> and it has a web-based queue management which the other folks like better [21:03] <slackytude> it keeps losing its driver for wifi [21:03] <thumbs> cups is really really good. [21:04] <slackytude> got a windows domain? [21:04] <thumbs> nope. [21:04] <slackytude> lucky you then [21:04] <thumbs> we have less than 30 PCs [21:04] <slackytude> ugh [21:04] <slackytude> we have less than that and still got a 2003 server acting as AD [21:04] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [21:04] <thumbs> a windows domain is overkill for most organisations. [21:04] <slackytude> pretty pointless [21:04] <thumbs> slackytude: can you say.... overkill? [21:05] <slackytude> yes, I know [21:05] <slackytude> they like the SSO [21:05] <dchmelik> a windows domain is suicide for most organizations [21:05] <slackytude> once you have enough machines, not having one is suicide [21:05] <dchmelik> a windows is suicide [21:05] <slackytude> seems to work for a lot of people [21:05] <dchmelik> induction says they are all suicide [21:06] <slackytude> thumbs, you got single sign on? [21:06] <thumbs> slackytude: nope. [21:07] <slackytude> there you are then [21:07] <thumbs> slackytude: I set up the print server to share the printer in an anonymous fashion [21:07] <slackytude> thumbs, huh? [21:07] <thumbs> slackytude: as for the other PCs, we don't share anything. I have another slack box with LVM, for the file server. [21:08] <thumbs> slackytude: sorry, I thought you were referring to single sign on as 'authentication' [21:08] <slackytude> thumbs, I was [21:08] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:08] <slackytude> thumbs, you meant you allow guest on the print server? otherwise I dint get the anonymous reference [21:09] <thumbs> slackytude: yes, that's correct. [21:09] <slackytude> hrm [21:09] <thumbs> slackytude: I mapped the guest user = nobody [21:09] <slackytude> yeah, that might work [21:09] <thumbs> slackytude: then guest ok = yes [21:09] <thumbs> slackytude: it works with security = share [21:09] <slackytude> altho you can get slackware samba to be part of a windows domain as well [21:09] K-Shadow (n=K-Shadow@ool-44c7460b.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [21:09] <thumbs> slackytude: sure. [21:09] <dchmelik> Could everyone please hack slack? [21:09] <slackytude> its just not pretty [21:09] pablo (n=pablo@host75.190-139-57.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:09] <thumbs> slackytude: then allow list = @users [21:10] Action: slackytude nods [21:10] <slackytude> oh well, Ill just wait for the print server to die [21:10] <slackytude> or till the boss gets enough of it [21:11] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.129.167) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:11] <thumbs> slackytude: the HDD dying here was the last drop in the bucket for me. [21:12] <thumbs> slackytude: plus, it would have taken me 3 hours to put win2k back on it, as opposed to 25 minutes for slackware [21:12] <slackytude> not really a fault of windows, tho [21:12] <slackytude> true enough [21:13] <slackytude> the people at work did a complete fresh install every 3 months now [21:13] <thumbs> .... why? [21:13] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [21:13] <slackytude> cos stuff just stops working [21:13] <thumbs> jeebus. [21:13] <slackytude> outlook acting up, or word or explorer you name it [21:13] <thumbs> I thought that was normal for windows. [21:13] <slackytude> then they start again, taking hours to get the software installed [21:13] <slackytude> it is! [21:13] <slackytude> thats the point [21:13] <slackytude> it just is normal [21:14] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) joined ##slackware. [21:14] <BP{k}> ah, time for beer. :) [21:14] <slackytude> nobody thinks about it anymore [21:14] <thumbs> BP{k}: lucky you. [21:14] <thrice`> BP{k}: an hour ago, sure ;) [21:14] <thumbs> slackytude: well I have better things to do with my time, personally. [21:14] <thumbs> slackytude: I use linux, and I don't reinstall my OS. [21:15] <slackytude> thumbs, yeah. just getting the drivers, and using floppies for the RAID stuff. its sad [21:15] <thumbs> slackytude: hehe. Yes. [21:15] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [21:15] <BP{k}> thrice`: well it's not the first beer, had a couple of lagers earlier. Now it's time for a nice hoegaarden ;) [21:15] <thumbs> BP{k}: bloody nice beer, that is. [21:16] <NyteOwl> you have a garden you grow hoes in? [21:16] <thumbs> BP{k}: but yes, you need to warm up before you get to that beer. [21:17] <NyteOwl> slackytude: I slipstreamed my RAID drivers into an XP isntall disk heh [21:17] <thumbs> NyteOwl: we're talking win2k here. [21:17] <slackytude> NyteOwl, yeah, its the sane think to do [21:17] <BP{k}> thumbs: yes and nice 750ml bottle as well :) [21:17] <NyteOwl> thumbs: ouch [21:17] <pablo> will ever the ssh daemon be a separated package to the ssh client? [21:17] <thumbs> NyteOwl: winxp cannot support more than 10 simultaneous connections. [21:18] <thumbs> pablo: never, most likely. [21:18] <slackytude> NyteOwl, we used to have a disc like that somewhere but it got lost and everybody istoo lazy to do it again >-< [21:18] <thumbs> BP{k}: damn you [21:18] aghori (n=vark@92.6.176.229) left irc: "Leaving" [21:18] <firebird619> Old_Fogie: without tmpfs, and just pidgin and one terminal, the ram uses is at 129. :) With opera going it was in the 200's. [21:18] <thumbs> NyteOwl: that's a problem for a print server. [21:18] <NyteOwl> slackytude: you should see the win folks I mention it faces when I tell them I made the slipstream disc on Linux heh [21:19] <NyteOwl> thumbs: yep. then again XP was never intended to be a server [21:19] <pablo> thumbs: why? [21:19] <slackytude> on the day the winadmin went onto vacation, he calls me in the office, telling me to cook up a backup solution. so I do a quick cygwin+rsync and when he comes back he complains about it. but it was his fucking responsibility to start with [21:19] <thumbs> NyteOwl: hence the need for win2k, if they insist on windows. [21:19] <thumbs> pablo: because the way it is now is the sane way to go. [21:20] <slackytude> thumbs, 10 connections of what? [21:20] <thumbs> slackytude: netbios, smb [21:20] <slackytude> thumbs, eh, serious? [21:20] <BP{k}> thumbs: I gotta see what nice beers they have in Germany over the summer :-) [21:20] <thumbs> slackytude: yes, I am. [21:20] <slackytude> BP{k}, oi! [21:20] <NyteOwl> anyway, I'm off. g'night all [21:20] <slackytude> BP{k}, you do that [21:20] <thumbs> slackytude: one per remote client. [21:20] <NyteOwl> BP{k}: I can recommedn Beck's dark draft [21:20] <slackytude> thumbs, sad [21:20] <thumbs> BP{k}: you're spoiled... [21:21] <thumbs> Beck's great. [21:21] <NyteOwl> if you aren't too demanding. good for a night's carousing [21:21] <BP{k}> thumbs: I tend to agree with that, but I am sure I can live with that ;) [21:21] <thumbs> slackytude: yes, win2k had no such limitation, but XP pro did. [21:21] <thumbs> BP{k}: haha [21:21] <thumbs> slackytude: so for office servers, I recommend win2k if they only do windows [21:21] paissad_ (n=paissad@12.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [21:21] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: "Exit staaaaaaaaaage left!" [21:22] <slackytude> thumbs, well, we got MSDN and technet and whatnot. we are at 2k3 aŽbut will go to 2k8 soon [21:23] <thumbs> slackytude: besides, I only know how to manage 2k. I have no idea about 2k3, or 2k8 [21:23] <thumbs> slackytude: so they get what I can support. [21:23] Action: slackytude shrugs [21:23] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:23] <slackytude> still the same [21:23] <slackytude> altho I dont know much about 2k [21:24] <slackytude> they just change the GUI around and add feature [21:24] <slackytude> basics stay the same [21:24] <thumbs> slackytude: it's more of a "I stopped at win2k and didn't bother with the new stuff" case [21:25] <slackytude> heh, I hear ya [21:25] <slackytude> I didnt want to learn 2k3 either [21:25] <slackytude> at least I still dont have to mess with exchange [21:26] <thumbs> I refuse to [21:26] dive (n=diverse@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:26] <slackytude> yeah, have to draw a line in the sand somewhere [21:26] <nooper> lol [21:27] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) joined ##slackware. [21:29] <thumbs> I was not hired as the windows admin - I'm a dba, programmer, and engineer. [21:29] <thumbs> so they'll use whatever OS I deem is less hassle for me [21:29] <eviljames> I usually ask why we would continue using legacy OSes. [21:30] <thumbs> yes, windows is legacy [21:30] <slackytude> XP is [21:30] <slackytude> Vista is not [21:30] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Client Quit [21:30] <thumbs> slackytude: I still refuse to support Vista. [21:30] <slackytude> good for you [21:30] <slackytude> I work in a windows shop [21:31] <Dominian> unfortunately, I hate Vista.. mainly because I haven't really used it much and I still have to support it :( [21:31] <Dominian> tried it in a VM and its crap in a VM.. now.. Windows 7 does really well in a VM [21:31] <slackytude> indeed it does [21:35] <slackytude> I like it [21:37] Hermann (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:38] <dchmelik> has anyone ever done Slackware rap on here? [21:39] <Dominian> what [21:39] <Old_Fogie> he likes to make random odd statements Dominian [21:40] <Dominian> ah [21:41] <dchmelik> I guess I do not spend enough time coding and I need something to do [21:42] frkbr (n=frk@189.58.213.54.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:43] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:43] <gnubien> dchmelik: rap: i boot up my puter with slackware today and console scroll text like all was ok... next line is yours... [21:44] <i_is_cat> i booted up my computer once.. and it was awesome [21:44] <dchmelik> jack the nerve energy up your back and pack it into your head so you can hack the slack lucidly beyond when you are dead [21:45] <i_is_cat> i want to get the mr.burns thing that smithers has and put it on my system during boot [21:45] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [21:45] <i_is_cat> hello smithers, you're quite good at turning me on [21:45] <eviljames> i_is_cat: seconded. [21:46] <dchmelik> anyone else want to do a line? gnubien: parlez-vous francais? [21:46] <i_is_cat> hehehehe that would be awesome [21:46] <gnubien> dchmelik: barely type english [21:47] <dchmelik> I thought your nick was French [21:47] <gnubien> dchmelik: its a pun, gnu-bien, newbie, etc [21:47] <gnubien> dchmelik: your real name melnick? [21:48] <dchmelik> it sounds like 'gnu est bien' ('gnu is good') [21:48] <dchmelik> my real last name is Melik [21:48] <gnubien> melnick was a fone phreak and hacker in the 80's iirc [21:49] <dchmelik> besides Mitnick? [21:49] <gnubien> maybe a typo of his name, dunno [21:51] <gnubien> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Mitnick [21:52] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "SCHLEEP" [21:52] <chopp> dchmelik: you are one strange mf. [21:52] <panzer> ? [21:53] <frullet> morning [21:54] <Pig_Pen> whois dchmelik [21:54] <BP{k}> slashfail! [21:54] <Pig_Pen> oops i forgot the / [21:55] <firebird619> Hi frullet, how are you? [21:55] <chopp> damn qt4 build on my mythtv box is going to take yarns [21:55] <gnubien> Pig_Pen: he's a slack rapper ;) [21:56] <Pig_Pen> a slack rapper sittin on the crapper [21:56] <firebird619> chopp: yarns? "you are really never sure"? :P [21:56] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.139.60) joined ##slackware. [21:56] <Pig_Pen> common dchmelik lets see some rap, dont go fap fap fap [21:57] <agentc0re> Pig_Pen: here's some rap: http://www.bash.org/?870063 :D [21:58] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A76A0A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:58] <chopp> firebird619: sure...ok. :P [21:58] <firebird619> agentc0re: haha, you still passing that around. :P [21:58] <agentc0re> firebird619: Hehe, i think it's too awesome not to :P [21:58] <dchmelik> chopp: I will take the 'strange' as a compliment [21:58] <firebird619> agentc0re: yeah, it is good. :D [21:59] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.43.118) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:00] <firebird619> chopp: Well, yarns = "you are really never sure" sure fits in with not knowing how long qt4 is going to take to build. :P [22:00] <Pig_Pen> lol! thats pretty good agentc0re [22:00] <alisonken1home> Dominian: getting ready to try the slackware64-current dvd [22:00] <dchmelik> Pig_Pen: I do not want to rap all day... but a line or 2 every now and then is ok [22:00] <chopp> 01 00 00 00 ftw! [22:01] <dchmelik> what is this 'ftw' I hear about... last time it was 'electric sheep ftw.' [22:01] <firebird619> ftw = for the win [22:01] <dchmelik> ok... I thought it was something worse [22:01] freack (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [22:01] <panzer> a stupid f***ing term [22:01] <nooper> that was awesome agentc0re [22:02] <agentc0re> Pig_Pen, nooper; wouldn't it be awesome to see it played out as if it was a real rap battle? :D [22:03] <nooper> i think irc is the proper place for a rap battle of this sort [22:04] <Pig_Pen> yeah, live [22:04] <dchmelik> agentc0re: that is a funny page if it was on #bash... I am not so into profanity but a little was not really derogatory in that irclog [22:06] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:11] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.233.162) left irc: [22:11] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.233.162) joined ##slackware. [22:12] <juice> nothing like losing your /etc/mtab to file corruption or shale I say orphaned Inode [22:12] <juice> shale=shall [22:17] frullet (n=hooch@124-171-59-81.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [22:18] <dchmelik> so that is the mount table? [22:18] <dchmelik> interesting... I hope that would not ruin the filesystems because they could not be unmounted right [22:21] <juice> well I thought I lost my /home data [22:21] <juice> I loaded up and tried to login and it said the user existed but no home folder did [22:21] <juice> I tried to cp /proc/mounts to /etc/mtab and it wouldn't let me [22:22] <juice> rebooted again [22:22] <Pig_Pen> testing [22:22] <juice> I logged in and finally after some time was able to make the mtab file [22:23] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.43.118) joined ##slackware. [22:23] <thumbs> juice: is your HDD experiencign problems? [22:24] <lf4> Am I doing this correcly to pair a bluetooth device I just run $hcitool cc [device-mac-address] [22:24] <lf4> The device prompts to set a key and then when I set one I dont know how to authenticate with it. [22:26] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-248-127-232.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:26] jayd512 (n=chatzill@74-132-233-253.dhcp.insightbb.com) joined ##slackware. [22:26] jayd512 (n=chatzill@74-132-233-253.dhcp.insightbb.com) left ##slackware. [22:27] <juice> thumbs not sure I think someone shut my computer off at work [22:27] <juice> I went in today and it was off [22:27] <thumbs> juice: ah. [22:27] <juice> but I already knew it was ff because my email wasn't getting sorted [22:27] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:29] <Pig_Pen> juice: you better start powering it down, because there are probably some people where you work that dont know how to properly shut down Linux on a PC [22:29] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] <juice> yeah [22:32] <Pig_Pen> a long time ago (before ext3 was around) i had redhat-7 on my PC dual booting with win98 and my brother comes over to the house to use my PC and he hits the reset button to reboot to win98, totally messed up the filesystem even fsck would not recover [22:32] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:32] LinuxyErin (n=erin@ppp-70-252-130-205.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:33] <dchmelik> anyone using ext4 yet? Did Linus work on it? [22:34] <alisonken1home> just now installing slack64 and trying it out with ext4 [22:35] <alisonken1home> (on the other machine) [22:35] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-91-171.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:35] <happycycling> Does anyone use amorak? I have digital pops or clicks between tracks and I require gapless playback. My driver could be the issue since X-Fi isn't even close to making the stable alsa branch yet [22:36] <dchmelik> I thought I read Linus said he was not going to work on ext4... but I bet he will change his mind [22:36] <toastytoast> i used to use amarok i liked it but i reinstalled and didn't install any kde stuff [22:36] <toastytoast> and no i never had that problem [22:36] <happycycling> it's a great program, but it's killer for gapless playblack [22:36] <happycycling> I have a feeling it's the driver [22:37] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.139.60) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:37] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.139.60) joined ##slackware. [22:37] <alisonken1home> I use ardour, so coulnd't say about amarok [22:37] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-91-171.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:37] <toastytoast> now i use adacuis or xmms [22:38] <Pig_Pen> if commercial interests think ext4 is worthwhile they might either contribute or pay Linus money to work on it [22:38] <Pig_Pen> anyway isnt ext4 something Redhat developed? [22:39] xelat48 (n=xelat48@213.144.157.75) joined ##slackware. [22:39] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [22:39] xelat48 (n=xelat48@213.144.157.75) left ##slackware. [22:39] <Pig_Pen> happycycling: have you tried other audio and/or video apps? is the sound clean without popping & clicks? could be amarok [22:40] <happycycling> yes, it's clean [22:40] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:40] <happycycling> just between songs I hear a loud pop or click [22:40] <happycycling> um let me try xmms [22:40] <Pig_Pen> or maybe arts, if non kde apps dont do it [22:41] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:41] <nix_chix0r> hubby brought his guitar up and an amp and is playing me metallica and pink floyd [22:41] <happycycling> does xmms even support ALE? [22:41] <dchmelik> Pig_Pen: I know not who made ext4... I just know those who hack the best Unix/Linux hang out here and many of you are more technical than me [22:41] <Pig_Pen> cool! i like Pink Floyd [22:41] <yosii> Pig_Pen: not sure on the ext4 bit, but it really sucks for now [22:42] <yosii> happycycling: not sure on that one... [22:42] <Pig_Pen> i am sticking with ext3 [22:42] <ccfreak2k> Is there a way to set g+x on ALL folders inside a specific folder? [22:42] <happycycling> or is there a plugin for it? [22:42] <yosii> Pig_Pen: i'm on ext3 as well [22:42] <BP{k}> ccfreak2k: find(1) [22:43] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.139.60) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [22:43] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:44] <toastytoast> ccfreak2k: chmod +g +x (directory) -R i think will work [22:44] <Pig_Pen> ALE? [22:44] <thumbs> toastytoast: no [22:44] <toastytoast> no [22:44] <ccfreak2k> toastytoast, it would, but I don't want to set the files +x. [22:44] <thumbs> ccfreak2k: as eric said, man find(1) [22:45] <toastytoast> oh yeah you could suse find for that [22:45] <WildWizard> use +X not +x [22:45] <happycycling> is Koffice related to OpenOffice or is that a separate install? [22:45] <ccfreak2k> I've been using g+x. [22:45] <alisonken1home> happycycling: not even close [22:45] <Pig_Pen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4 [22:46] <happycycling> haha damn, so is there a slack package for it or do I compile it myself? [22:46] <alisonken1home> koffice is from the kde team - OOo is based on java. the only relation is both teams that started them were from Germany [22:46] <alisonken1home> happycycling: ^^^^ [22:46] <Pig_Pen> http://thunk.org/tytso this is one of the developers working on ext4, he works for IBM [22:46] <rob0> So ... the "DE" in KDE is ".de"? :) [22:46] <thumbs> rob0: heh? [22:47] <alisonken1home> happycycling: there's a slackbuild for d/l and installing OOo [22:47] <alisonken1home> rob0: lol [22:47] <happycycling> ah thanks [22:47] <yosii> rob0: LOL [22:47] Action: thumbs finds rob0 silly, as usual [22:47] <thumbs> hehe [22:47] <rob0> KDeutschland [22:47] <Pig_Pen> the guy that does ext3 works for redhat [22:47] <happycycling> where do you get your packages from alisonken1home ? [22:48] <Pig_Pen> since it is open source lots of people contribute [22:48] <Old_Fogie> happycycling, I get my packages from /tmp [22:48] <alisonken1home> happycycling: slackbuilds.org - theres may be an extra step or two because of java, but it should install fine [22:48] <thumbs> Old_Fogie: nice one. [22:48] <lf4> lol Old_Fogie [22:48] <Old_Fogie> thumbs, :) [22:48] <alisonken1home> happycycling: 32-bit or 64-bit? [22:48] <happycycling> 32 [22:48] <thumbs> Old_Fogie: mine are from /opt/tmp [22:49] <happycycling> when you say /opt/tmp. That's under the 12.2 tree on-line? [22:50] <thumbs> happycycling: on one box, I have /tmp symlinked. [22:50] <Pig_Pen> you can put /tmp anywhere you want then just symlink it back to / [22:51] Action: lf4 's pkgs are in /tmp/tmp/tmp/tmp/tmp/pkg/tmp :) [22:52] <Pig_Pen> do it all in one fell swoop mv /tmp /home && ln -s /home/tmp / [22:52] <lf4> lol nice Pig_Pen [22:56] LinuxyErin (n=erin@ppp-70-252-130-205.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:56] <rob0> OUTPUT=/root/pkg foo.SlackBuild # /root/pkg is a symlink to a directory under /home [22:58] <Old_Fogie> rob0, that will work, so long as OUTPUT's not in the Slackbuild which most SBo scripts use [22:58] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:59] <happycycling> Pig_Pen, so what do those commands do again? The /tmp bits I'm a little lost [22:59] <rob0> OUTPUT=${OUTPUT:-/tmp} # IIRC is what's in a SBo Slackbuild [22:59] <Old_Fogie> rob0, right so the script will overwright the output you called when exec'ing the script [22:59] <BP{k}> rob0: correct. [22:59] <Pig_Pen> this? mv /tmp /home && ln -s /home/tmp / it moves /tmp in to /home and symlinks it back to / [23:00] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:00] <BP{k}> Old_Fogie: uhmm .... hell no. [23:00] <BP{k}> just .. no. [23:00] <gm152> No, if OUTPUT is not defined, then OUTPUT=/tmp [23:00] <happycycling> what's the point? [23:00] Action: BP{k} hands Old_Fogie a bash guide. [23:00] <Old_Fogie> BP{k}, I'm confused, does not the script win ? [23:00] <edman007> BP{k}, no don't! he will break his back [23:00] <BP{k}> Old_Fogie: no. [23:01] Action: firebird619 waves hello to edman007 [23:01] <edman007> hello [23:01] <Old_Fogie> BP{k}, so that I'm clear, you're saying declaring output at exec of script supercedes the output declaration in the script? [23:01] <firebird619> edman007: you leave for Florida tomorrow. yay. :P [23:01] <edman007> yay [23:01] <edman007> but i have to wake up early :( [23:01] <firebird619> what time? [23:01] lex (n=lex@pc-129-95-74-200.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [23:01] <BP{k}> Old_Fogie: okay from my bash book: ${varname:-word} == "IF varname exist and isn't null, return it's value, other return word" [23:02] <BP{k}> Old_Fogie: yes. that's the way it's supposed to work. [23:03] <edman007> firebird619, well its a 910am flight, an hour or so drive to the airport, but the ride i found (after my mom bailed on me) want to go early so they can be back in time for church, so i'm leaving 615am :( [23:03] <Pig_Pen> the point is happycycling if you have a small / partition but a large /home partition and want to give /tmp more room it will have it, helps when building large packages [23:03] <BP{k}> Old_Fogie: I think you're getting confused with a standard variable declaration of "VAR="WORD" version "VAR=${VAR:-WORD}". [23:03] <firebird619> edman007: whoa, that's early. [23:04] <edman007> yea, i should be sleeping already huh? well i got redbull [23:04] <tecky> edman007: CHUG CHUG CHUG! [23:04] <Old_Fogie> BP{k}, I have no idea, but apparently I'm wrong. :) [23:04] <edman007> tecky, lol [23:04] <firebird619> edman007: yeah, should go to sleep now. :P [23:04] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-67-124-150-194.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] <edman007> :( [23:04] <firebird619> edman007: you can always sleep on the plane. [23:05] <edman007> i'm watching movies! [23:05] <chopp> sleep when you're old like me [23:05] <happycycling> Ah thanks [23:05] <edman007> chopp, like you? what about Old_Fogie ? [23:05] <firebird619> edman007: which ones? [23:05] <BP{k}> Old_Fogie: with "VAR=${VAR:-word}" it will check if $VAR is predefined (ie when calling the script for example FOO=BAR ./APP.SlackBuild). if VAR isn't called: it gets substituted to "VAR=Word" [23:06] <edman007> firebird619, i got a few crappy sci-fi ones, and star wars I and a few others..more than i need [23:06] <Old_Fogie> BP{k}, ok I see what you're saying now. Live another day, get hit with linux clue bat yet again :) [23:06] stybla (i=stybla@78.110.208.218) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:06] <Old_Fogie> BP{k}, thanks for correcting/explaining that to me then. [23:06] <chopp> edman007: true.....he's like..well ancient compared to me. [23:06] <edman007> lol [23:06] Action: chopp runs from Old_Fogie [23:07] Action: edman007 trips chopp [23:07] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [23:07] <chopp> ahhhh [23:07] Action: Old_Fogie Superfly Snuka's chopp [23:07] <firebird619> lol [23:07] <Old_Fogie> doh! my back! [23:07] Action: firebird619 counts out chopp....1.....2......3...... [23:07] <Old_Fogie> but you gotta admit... I looked good in the tiger speedo's :) [23:07] Action: firebird619 hands Old_Fogie a back brace. :P [23:08] <chopp> Old_Fogie: haha [23:08] <firebird619> haha, tiger speedo's. [23:08] <alisonken1home> Old_Fogie: doh! speedo;s [23:08] <Old_Fogie> you guys know who "Jimmy Superfly Snuka (spelling on the snuka?)" was? [23:08] <Old_Fogie> right [23:08] <firebird619> Old_Fogie: I do. [23:08] <Old_Fogie> ah ok [23:09] <firebird619> you're spelling is correct for snuka. [23:09] <chopp> yuppers [23:09] <thumbs> your [23:09] <firebird619> thumbs: thanks. :P [23:09] <Old_Fogie> firebird619, really? wow ..too bad I can't spell useable words, hahah. [23:09] <firebird619> s/you're/your/ [23:09] <firebird619> Old_Fogie: lol [23:09] <lf4> Freak I just cant get this hci to work :P [23:10] <Old_Fogie> *From the Fountain of Unusable Information...It's Old_Fogie* [23:10] <firebird619> haha [23:10] Nick change: Old_Fogie -> Oldway_Ogiefay [23:11] <firebird619> anyone ever built pitivi, I just got it from git and the readme file is empty. [23:11] <Oldway_Ogiefay> ah, much better now. [23:11] <Pig_Pen> sleepytime, laters, have a good weekend :) [23:11] <lf4> lol but interesting information none the less [23:11] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:11] <Oldway_Ogiefay> firebird619, no but I saw the article about that movie editor today too [23:11] <Oldway_Ogiefay> looks interesting. [23:11] <firebird619> yeah, looks like it's had some major development and turned into a really nice app now. [23:11] <Oldway_Ogiefay> I use the windows movie maker in XP, does what I need. [23:11] <firebird619> but the readme is empty and no install file, I have to figure out the deps. :P [23:12] <Oldway_Ogiefay> The linux one's I can't figure out why, but I cant get even avi to play in windows [23:12] <firebird619> Oldway_Ogiefay: you seen the one Vista or even Windows 7 has, alot less functional imho. [23:12] <Oldway_Ogiefay> no, I dont have vista or 7. [23:12] <Oldway_Ogiefay> if I make a movie in xp as avi it works in lin tho, but nice vice versa. [23:13] <firebird619> I have Windows 7 in a VM, the movie maker is horrible now imo, alot less options, functions. [23:13] <Oldway_Ogiefay> but not vice versa [23:14] <firebird619> lol, pitivi's site has a heading of "Taking Care of Dependencies" the only thing is sudo apt-get build-dep pitivit. HELLO, not everyone is on Debian/Ubuntu. :P [23:14] <firebird619> s/pitivit/pitivi/ [23:15] <Oldway_Ogiefay> yea that's ignorant [23:16] happycycling (n=john@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:16] <Oldway_Ogiefay> firebird619, which you can download the deb by the way, and read the control file, it will list it in there. use "ar -x foo.deb" it'll untar it all to you CWD so keep that in mind. then read the control file. [23:16] <Oldway_Ogiefay> not untar, un 'ar' it [23:16] <firebird619> cool, I didn't know that. Thank you. [23:17] <Oldway_Ogiefay> dont thank me, that's an rworkman hack I made sure to commit to mamory [23:17] <dchmelik> I think now that Slackware64 is released the Slackware team should offer to induct Fred [23:17] <dchmelik> and Arny [23:17] <Oldway_Ogiefay> I say dchmelik should hold his breath for the arny option [23:18] <BP{k}> I can agree with fred (and hope so) [23:18] <BP{k}> arny .. I sincerely hope not. [23:18] <firebird619> Oldway_Ogiefay: lol, even their latest tarball has an empty readme file. [23:18] <dchmelik> I am not into pure-64 Slackware, but some people had a need for it. [23:18] <firebird619> BP{k}: +1 [23:18] <Oldway_Ogiefay> bah, give Fred a t-shirt and let him be on his way :) [23:18] <firebird619> lol [23:18] <BP{k}> Oldway_Ogiefay: "I made a 64bit fork of Slackware, and all I got was this lousy tshirt"? [23:19] <Oldway_Ogiefay> BP{k}, hahah :) [23:19] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [23:19] <macavity> Oldway_Ogiefay: having another stab at learning Igpay Atinlay, are we? [23:19] <Oldway_Ogiefay> okay, okay, we'll give Fred a Slackware T-shirt, and Slackware Thong ? [23:19] <BP{k}> ... [23:19] <Oldway_Ogiefay> macavity, yesway I areway [23:19] <Oldway_Ogiefay> :) [23:19] <chopp> finger fred@slackware.com [23:19] Action: BP{k} heads for the booze cabinet. Need .. to ... get .. rid of .. image. [23:20] <firebird619> haha [23:20] <macavity> Oldway_Ogiefay: or should i say "avinghay anotherway abstay atway earninglay Igpay Atinlay, areway eway?" [23:20] <Oldway_Ogiefay> BP{k}, hahahah did I give ya *too* viv an image [23:20] <Oldway_Ogiefay> macavity, :) [23:20] <Oldway_Ogiefay> macavity, it was either that, or Rot13 [23:20] <BP{k}> Oldway_Ogiefay: I rather not take *any* changed ;) [23:21] kevin01123 (n=quassel@24-216-178-120.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:21] <macavity> Oldway_Ogiefay: ebg13 vf gbgnyyl vzcbffvoyr nf n abezny zrna bs pbzzhavpngvba [23:21] <Oldway_Ogiefay> BP{k}, sure it's not "I needed yet another reason to drink" :) [23:22] <BP{k}> Oldway_Ogiefay: nah, I don't need reasons for that, just a wellstocked kitchen. ;) [23:22] <Oldway_Ogiefay> there ya go [23:22] <macavity> Oldway_Ogiefay: ok, having an "revpig" would actually be kind of handy : [23:22] <firebird619> Oldway_Ogiefay: Here's the pitivi deps: http://packages.debian.org/sid/pitivi [23:22] <Oldway_Ogiefay> macavity, I agree, it's not very useable [23:23] <macavity> Oldway_Ogiefay: though, i suspect writing an irssi plugin for it would be a nobrainer [23:23] <Oldway_Ogiefay> macavity, yea that'd be a neat plugin for sure. [23:23] <BP{k}> macavity: rot13 plugin? or revpig plugin? [23:23] <macavity> Oldway_Ogiefay: and that would, i suspect, throw off the worst of our script kiddies :P [23:23] <Oldway_Ogiefay> firebird619, remember those are run deps, not build deps. [23:24] <macavity> BP{k}: rot13 plugin [23:24] <rob0> I think I have a /rot13 plugin [23:24] <macavity> BP{k}: pig is not reversible [23:24] <firebird619> Oldway_Ogiefay: yeah, still hunting down the other ones. [23:24] <BP{k}> macavity: that already exists. [23:24] rob0_ (n=rob0@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [23:24] <Oldway_Ogiefay> firebird619, and one dep calls another and another so it's not really what you think, but a decent help tho. [23:24] <macavity> BP{k}: ok :-) [23:24] <BP{k}> http://scripts.irssi.org/scripts/rot13.pl [23:24] <macavity> neato :-) [23:24] <Oldway_Ogiefay> hahah really, nice BP{k}. [23:25] <rob0_> I used to have that, wonder why it's gone? [23:25] <rob0_> I do have a /ib [23:25] <rob0_> [ in bed ] [23:25] <Oldway_Ogiefay> I say that to myself alot, [23:25] <macavity> lulz [23:25] <Oldway_Ogiefay> I _used_ to have it, where'd it go? [23:26] rob0_ (n=rob0@cardinal.lizella.net) left ##slackware ("bye"). [23:27] <macavity> Oldway_Ogiefay: was that an attempt to get a "[ to bed ]" joke going? :P [23:27] <Oldway_Ogiefay> I think he tried some keybind-foo there yup, then disconnected right after. [23:28] <macavity> may be his wife just said... [23:29] <macavity> [ in bed ] [23:29] <rob0> nope [23:29] <rob0> it was two connections to the same channel [23:29] <rob0> [ in bed ] [23:29] <macavity> :P [23:29] <Oldway_Ogiefay> oh, sneaky :) [23:29] <rob0> Dominian's fault, blame him. [23:29] <rob0> [ in bed ] [23:29] <Oldway_Ogiefay> hahah [23:30] <firebird619> Oldway_Ogiefay: I look at the Depends like in control right? The ones on that link I gave are the same as listed in the control file. [23:30] <jeev> lakers need to lose [23:30] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:30] <jeev> stupid nuggets cant inbound [23:30] <macavity> my GF too thinks me sneaky [23:30] <macavity> [ in bed ] [23:31] <firebird619> jeev: +1 :) [23:31] <jeev> i hate leaving firefox open [23:31] <jeev> i end up with 500mb of ram being used [23:31] <firebird619> then close it. :P [23:31] <jeev> yea but i like some websites open [23:31] <firebird619> use elinks or opera. :P [23:32] <jeev> never! [23:32] <dchmelik> what if you have Firefox open with 10 - 20 tabs? then how much RAM? [23:32] <jeev> never even heard of elinks [23:32] <jeev> i dont use tabs. [23:32] <jeev> i have like 8 windows open [23:32] <dchmelik> I heard even for normal use it takes 1Gb [23:32] <firebird619> jeev: elinks is a cli browser. :P [23:32] <jeev> firebird619, i run windows vista baby! [23:32] <firebird619> Ugh [23:32] <jeev> yea man i gotta play games with something. [23:32] <firebird619> games is what my xbox 360 is for [23:32] <jeev> wow, consoles suck [23:33] <macavity> jeev: doesnt that hurt your pride? :P [23:33] <Oldway_Ogiefay> firebird619, same here. tho many linux games are fun tho. [23:33] <jeev> macavity, negative. i know what i need linux/bsd for.. that's not for desktop computing [23:33] <jeev> but i do want to install slack on this but i udnno what drive to use [23:33] <macavity> jeev: noob ;-) [23:33] <Oldway_Ogiefay> use C:/Windows [23:33] <jeev> noob with 60 servers [23:33] <jeev> yup [23:34] <Oldway_Ogiefay> yea but trojans on your win vista dont count as servers [23:34] <macavity> but 0 UNIX workstations :P [23:34] <jeev> i do want to install it tonight hrmm [23:34] <jeev> i could use esata [23:34] <firebird619> Oldway_Ogiefay: I've never really tried any linux games. [23:34] <macavity> i have.. and they suck just the same as windows games :P [23:34] <Oldway_Ogiefay> firebird619, nexuiz is a good fps, as is openarena. I *luv* torcs, I'm updating my buildscript for it tonight hopefully. [23:35] <macavity> Oldway_Ogiefay: torcs? [23:35] <firebird619> macavity: lol [23:35] <Oldway_Ogiefay> macavity, oh torcs is *splendid* driver game for linux. they did a really good job. [23:35] <macavity> nice [23:35] <Oldway_Ogiefay> yeah I'd buy it. [23:35] <macavity> i might actually enjoy that... for 15-20 minutes [23:36] <Oldway_Ogiefay> it's the closest I'll get to the wheel of an Aston Martin :) [23:36] <macavity> keep talking baby [23:36] <macavity> next thing i know i will be buying a force feedback wheel [23:36] <Oldway_Ogiefay> http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=3777 [23:36] <Oldway_Ogiefay> thats' screen of torcs [23:37] <macavity> ... and hate myself for it in a week :P [23:37] <Oldway_Ogiefay> it sounds *awesome* with surround sound [23:37] <Oldway_Ogiefay> sounds like you got people right on your tail and everything [23:37] <macavity> how's the AI? [23:38] dangerseeker (n=dangerse@p57A8C460.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:38] <Oldway_Ogiefay> I guess ok, it's not like the bots pull over if you're near them :) [23:38] <Oldway_Ogiefay> they don't randomly drive off the map, if that 's what you mean, heh. [23:38] <Oldway_Ogiefay> I never played it online tho. [23:39] <firebird619> Oldway_Ogiefay: torcs isn't a bad looking game. [23:39] <Oldway_Ogiefay> firebird619, yea it's what you expect out of a game like that. [23:39] <macavity> nah, i was more interested in if they exhibit the "headshot at 300 yards, every time baby!" [23:39] <macavity> that sucks when AI is like that.. [23:39] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [23:39] <godling> hello [23:40] <firebird619> hello [23:40] <macavity> hello [23:40] <Oldway_Ogiefay> macavity, yes I see what you're saying. [23:40] <macavity> Oldway_Ogiefay: i see a potential for that in a driving game [23:40] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [23:41] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:41] <macavity> Oldway_Ogiefay: eg an algorithm that makes it impossible to pull over [23:41] <godling> to simulate the wheel locking up? [23:41] <godling> I've been in a car where that's happened to the driver. [23:42] <Oldway_Ogiefay> oh they do crash [23:42] <godling> scary [23:42] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:42] <macavity> Oldway_Ogiefay: good.. as i am a crappy driver :P [23:42] <macavity> anyhow, good night [23:42] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left ##slackware ("Burn it with fire~~~"). [23:42] <firebird619> night macavity [23:42] <godling> bye [23:42] <jeev> bah, i want to install it but i dont want to reboot.. ;) [23:42] <jeev> and i dont want to install vmware heh [23:43] <godling> nice talking to you. ;P [23:43] <macavity> Oldway_Ogiefay: hey? no torcs on SBo?!? [23:43] <Oldway_Ogiefay> gn macavity [23:43] <godling> install what, jeev? [23:43] <Oldway_Ogiefay> macavity, no I gave it to someone (so they could adopt) and it never seems to have made it there. [23:43] <Oldway_Ogiefay> ..adopt to be the admin for I mean [23:43] <macavity> Oldway_Ogiefay: you know what to do, and you know when to do it! ;-) [23:44] <macavity> anyhows, nn all [23:44] <macavity> [ in bed ] [23:44] <godling> you mean we're in bed with you? [23:44] <firebird619> :O [23:44] <eviljames> bow chicka wow [23:45] <firebird619> lol [23:45] <godling> I bet macavity is the kind of person who would dutch oven us. [23:45] <godling> ;P [23:47] <godling> I need distraction. Anyone having problems with anything? [23:47] <eviljames> sure, I'll bite. [23:47] <jeev> i want to boot into slack and use X :) [23:47] <jeev> im tired of vista kind of [23:47] <eviljames> When I go to add a widget to kde4 taskbar I get [23:48] <jeev> maybe i'll install it on my laptop [23:48] <jeev> or i'll defniitely install it at the office [23:48] <eviljames> kwin(6054) KWin::x11ErrorHandler: kwin: X Error ( "error: BadMatch [8], request: X_SetInputFocus[42], resource: 0x187fead" ) [23:48] <eviljames> godling: thoughts? [23:50] <godling> eviljames: is X crashing? [23:50] <eviljames> nope, but the window flickers into and out of existance [23:53] <Rat409> running compiz ? [23:53] <eviljames> kde4 compositing [23:53] <Rat409> oh [23:53] <eviljames> on slackware64-current [23:54] <alisonken1home> it's now officially official - Pat has "Changelog 32bit-x86" and a separate "Changelog 64bit-x86" [23:54] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] <Rat409> eviljames: sorry, no clue then for me :( [23:55] <godling> eviljames: I'm finding reports of various bugs about flickering, they seem to be video card driver related. [23:55] <eviljames> nah, this is on intel. [23:55] <godling> have you tried disabling compiz? [23:56] <eviljames> no change with desktop effects enabled or disabled. [23:57] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429496.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [23:57] <Rat409> rworkman said something last night about using/building a new intel driver on his new thinkpad,he upgraded to slack64-current also. [23:57] <Rat409> don't remem the chipset tho [23:57] <godling> eviljames: which intel chipset are you using? [23:57] <godling> I've got the gma x3100 here [23:58] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.188) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:58] <godling> I've had problems with it and old versions of X [23:58] <eviljames> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) [23:58] <jeev> i want to run a freebsd CVSUP server on slackware ;/ [23:59] <godling> we have the same chipset, eviljames [23:59] <godling> ^_^ [00:00] --- Sun May 24 2009