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[00:04] <akrz> whois akrz
[00:04] <MLanden> forgot the / .... :D
[00:04] <mancha> an irc n00b apparently  :)
[00:04] <akrz> :P
[00:05] <akrz> give me a break it's 4AM :P
[00:07] <mancha> cool! what country are you?
[00:07] <MLanden> akrz: The Azores?
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[00:34] <jeronimo__> what is a driver in kernel for Bus 002 Device 006: ID 045e:00f5 Microsoft Corp. LifeCam VX-3000. and for..
[00:34] <jeronimo__> .. Bus 002 Device 004: ID 07ca:a827 AVerMedia Technologies, Inc.
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[00:38] <fhobia> without the package browser online, what is the best way to figure what package a file belongs too ?
[00:39] <tuxdev> if you've got the package installed, grep it in /var/log/packages
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[00:39] <tuxdev> otherwise you can make a pretty good guess most of the time
[00:39] <fhobia> ok
[00:39] <fhobia> i hope the package browser gets online soon :-/
[00:39] <MLanden> jeronimo__: what is the AVerMedia Technologies, Inc device?
[00:39] <fhobia> not sure why the author thought it was broken...it was excellent
[00:40] <jeronimo__> MLanden: Avermedia AverTV Hybrid TV tuner Volar VX
[00:40] <mancha> http://www.avermedia.com/avertv/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?Id=293&tab=APDriver
[00:40] <mancha> i see a pengiun!!!
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[00:41] <mancha> the other one, i wouldn't be surprised if redmond put some self-destruct code if it detects a linux os  :)
[00:42] <MLanden> mancha: lol
[00:42] <tuxdev> fhobia, it had major bugs that showed up with the switch to txz
[00:43] <fhobia> oh, i c
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[00:45] <maybe> hello :)
[00:45] <tuxdev> It's generally bad to corrupt the link when trying to download a package
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[00:46] <MLanden> heya,maybe
[00:46] <tuxdev> all the txz packages got a .tgz slapped on the end
[00:46] <maybe> heya MLanden
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[00:51] <fhobia> my eclipse crashes due to jvm segfault with libxpcom ...i updated with the seamonkey patch a couple days ago...i wonder if that is the problem :-/
[00:51] <fhobia> seems unlikely that eclipse somehow wants to use libxpcom
[00:53] <tuxdev> eclipse does a lot of weird stuff
[00:53] <fhobia> i have like 3-5 libxpcoms floating around the system
[00:53] <fhobia> ffox, tbird, seamonkey, and some netscape from 2004 (!?)
[00:55] <tuxdev> mozilla's handling of their common libraries is mildly insane
[00:55] <fhobia> yeah
[00:55] <fhobia> "common"
[00:55] <fhobia> well, i see
[00:56] <fhobia> i guess they are trying to play it safe
[00:56] <fhobia> ok, reverting to the original seamonkey of 13.0 seems to have solved the problem...
[00:58] <mancha> that seamonkey's got more holes than a wild bill hickock though
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[01:00] <tuxdev> seamonkey is very much like what popped up as the splash before the name changed
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[01:02] <mancha> it must also be a bitch to upgrade correctly cause slack has released no sec adv for seamonkey even though mozilla's official announcemennt is almost a month old now
[01:04] Nick change: ranzi -> lkwpeter
[01:05] <fhobia> it was recently updated ?
[01:05] <fhobia> the new seamonkey is the one throwing bananas into my eclipse setup
[01:05] <mancha> i picked my words carefully  :)
[01:05] <fhobia> :-) oh ok, i did not look as closely
[01:08] <hiptobecubic> Has anyone used jtr on windows SAM files recently? I guess i need something like pwdump (http://www.openwall.com/passwords/microsoft-windows-nt-2000-xp-2003-vista) but i can't find anything that runs on anything but windows.
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[01:13] <mfillpot> hi everyone
[01:13] <MLanden> heya,mfillpot
[01:14] <mfillpot> MLanden: do you have any experience with xsane and scanners?
[01:14] <mfillpot> and why are you still wake?
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[01:15] <MLanden> mfillpot: not really...what problems are you experiencing?
[01:16] <mfillpot> MLanden: I have been trying to get my deskjet scanner function to work in slack, when it works in ubuntu
[01:17] <MLanden> mfillpot: which hp model is it?
[01:17] <mfillpot> MLanden: F4435
[01:17] <mfillpot> MLanden: mp deskjet f4435
[01:18] <mfillpot> *hp
[01:18] <mfillpot> I upgraded hplip to version 3.9.10 which now detects the printer, but I can't get xsane to detect the scanner function
[01:21] <MLanden> mfillpot: was it working right outabox or was it after patching with ubuntu?
[01:22] <mfillpot> MLanden: it looks like the ubuntu stuff is pretty well patched, but I think the problem may be that I haven't upgrades the sane libraries yet, I am trying that now
[01:22] <fire|bird> heya MLanden, how are you?
[01:22] <MLanden> heya,fire|bird...fine thanks...you?
[01:23] <fire|bird> MLanden: great, thank you. :)
[01:23] <MLanden> mfillpot: hopefully,the upgrade is all that's needed
[01:25] <mfillpot> MLanden: I am hoping that is it
[01:26] <fire|bird> mfillpot: sane-find-scanner doesn't see it?
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[01:29] <mfillpot> fire|bird: it sees it, but when I open xsane it says no devices can be detected
[01:30] <fire|bird> mfillpot: even as root?
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[01:31] <mfillpot> fire|bird: it sees it as root, how do I fix it so the printer/scanner can be detected as a normal user?
[01:31] <fire|bird> mfillpot: in the scanner group?
[01:32] <fire|bird> Is your user in the scanner group?
[01:33] <mfillpot> fire|bird: yes
[01:35] <Rat409> try /sbin/ldconfig after lib upgrade?
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[01:35] <mfillpot> fire|bird: I am having the same problem with the printer being picted up by hplip, it only works as root
[01:37] <mfillpot> Rat409: I tried that and it didn't solve the issue
[01:37] <mfillpot> I think the problem may be with the rights to the usb device
[01:38] <mfillpot> I just don't know how to modify the rights, are the rights controlled by hal?
[01:39] <mfillpot> ls
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[01:40] <Rat409> no . /etc/group and or usermod. umm plugdev may be group
[01:41] <Rat409> or kuser etc.
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[01:42] <mfillpot> Rat409: I am already in the plugdev, scanner, haldaemon and messagebus groups
[01:42] <rworkman> lp
[01:43] <rworkman> HP multifunction printer/scanners require that your user account be a member  of the "lp" group for hp-toolbox to work properly, and to use the scanner
[01:43] <rworkman> ...   <-- from C&H
[01:44] <mfillpot> brb, going to log out and back in to aquire the rights in the lp group
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[01:47] <mfillpot> rworkman: I always wondered what that group was for, that fixed it
[01:47] <rworkman> :)
[01:47] <mfillpot> rworkman: is there a central document that explains what all default groups are for?
[01:47] <rworkman> and remove yourself from haldaemon and messagebus
[01:48] <rworkman> Not really.  The ones that matter are pretty much self-explanatory (lp = line printer)
[01:49] <mfillpot> rworkman: I would have expected that with the current names that it would be just printer, but whatever the case, I know it now
[01:49] <MLanden> working ok,mfillpot?
[01:50] <mfillpot> it was frustrating have to boot to ubuntu earlier today to scan in a book, now I jsut wish I knew of a place that I can share the pdf for humor purposes
[01:50] <mfillpot> MLanden: it is working now
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[01:50] <MLanden> mfillpot: congrats
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[01:51] <mfillpot> now I just need to figure out what all of the groups are for
[01:52] <MLanden> mfillpot: the hp f series light on power consumption?
[01:53] <maybe>  how can run IPv6 under GNU/Linux  ? via ifconfig ...   what the steps ? in my machine /sbin/inconfig  => inet6 addr: fe80::212:3fff:fe4f:d31e/64 Scope:Link    my info fe80:.. lan only , how can assign 2001:...   like =>_marc` [n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7] entered the room.
[01:53] <maybe>  
[01:53] <mfillpot> MLanden: I haven't checked it yet, I jsut got it a couple weeks ago as a gift, but the powersave feature does seem to work
[01:54] <MLanden> mfillpot: cool
[01:55] <mfillpot> MLanden: I haven't even had a use for a printer in ~6 years, this is only a toy for me now
[01:57] <MLanden> mfillpot: hear ya
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[01:58] <mfillpot> in reference to peripherals, does anyone know of a good replacement for digikam that is in Slack or Sbo?
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[02:05] <MLanden> mfillpot: there's a recent build of wxcam
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[02:07] <mfillpot> MLanden: actually I am looking for a digital camera front end with image tagging
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[02:08] <mfillpot> the issue is the digikam hasn't been ported to KDE4 yet
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[02:13] <MLanden> mfillpot: yeah,last time I messed with it was with QT3
[02:13] <mfillpot> same
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[02:20] <deco> irssi's website is down!!
[02:21] <MLanden> night,folks....talk with y'all later
[02:21] <mfillpot> night MLanden
[02:21] <MLanden> night,mfillpot
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[02:22] <Rat409> night
[02:22] <Rat409> i'm out too be well ya'll
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[02:29] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0
[02:29] <g4tt0> hi
[02:30] <mfillpot> hi g4tt0
[02:30] <g4tt0> hello mindbendr ^^
[02:30] <g4tt0> ops mfillpot ^^
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[02:41] <The-Croupier> greetings greetings
[02:44] <maybe> salutations The-Croupier:
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[02:46] <mfillpot> it is a quiet night
[02:46] <elisdj> it is
[02:47] <maybe> depends on GMT + or -
[02:47] <mfillpot> I just sitting back installing the dependencies for inkscape
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[02:53] <elisdj> I love a good Sunday night
[02:53] <jeo> nothin better
[02:56] <The-Croupier> its monday morning here ;) i just got to work ...;)
[02:56] <The-Croupier> its 10am.... and im already overloaded with research topics..i have to do 3 topics till 5pm ;)
[02:57] <maybe>  The-Croupier:  what is your time zone
[02:57] <The-Croupier> +2
[02:57] <The-Croupier> greece
[02:57] <maybe> like me
[02:57] <maybe> egypt
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[03:00] <The-Croupier> maybe who knows..
[03:01] <The-Croupier> maybe you are in egypt, maybe you are not in egypt, maybe thats why you put your nickname maybe, it may be or it maybe not ;) who knows ;)
[03:02] <maybe> :)
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[03:02] <jeo> haha well i'm far behind
[03:02] <jeo> ah well, i guess not anymore
[03:02] <jeo> now it's officialy monday morning for me too :)
[03:02] <dchmelik> i did export DISPLAY=0:0.0 and xhost +localhost, but BOINC started thinking there is no display.
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[03:10] <Urchlay> I bloody hate rebooting
[03:10] <deco> Urchlay: new kernel ?
[03:11] <Urchlay> deco: yep
[03:11] <deco> heh
[03:11] <Urchlay> same version as old kernel, but with -rt (realtime) patch and CONFIG_PREEMPT
[03:11] <deco> cool
[03:13] <Urchlay> trying to get decent performance out of jack and its apps
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[03:17] <Urchlay> "cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 90) [for thread 1468692816, from thread 1468692816] (1: Operation not permitted)
[03:17] <Urchlay> something not quite right...
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[03:23] <dchmelik> Yuubuu will defeat the Ur-quan Masters
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[03:26] <Urchlay> dchmelik: you ever play ur-quan masters multiplayer?
[03:26] <dchmelik> I have not played the free version yet, just Starcon2
[03:27] <dchmelik> I no longer want you to refer to yourselves as the Ilwrath; I want you to refer to yourselves as the Dill-bats!
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[03:27] <Urchlay> not played original starcon2 since... eh, since a 486 was considered a fast CPU
[03:28] <dchmelik> I finally beat it on a pIII
[03:29] <Urchlay> hm. OK, fixed the RT stuff, it can actually keep up in real time now
[03:30] <hiptobecubic> Does anyone have a usbstick or other removable media with more than one partition on it?
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[03:30] <The-Croupier> hiptobecubic: you thinking of dual booting a usb-stick? ;)
[03:30] <hiptobecubic> The-Croupier, already done. it works great :)
[03:31] <hiptobecubic> On my box, both partitions get automounted but only one has the hal helper as a mount option
[03:31] <The-Croupier> hiptobecubic: nice..;)
[03:31] <hiptobecubic> as a result anyone can plug it in and access files, then but then you have to be root to take it out
[03:31] <The-Croupier> maybe you should write a small how to for that ;) for other people as welll ;)
[03:32] <The-Croupier> hiptobecubic: thats not a big problem ;)
[03:32] <hiptobecubic> I'm wondering if i have something setup wrong or if the logic that determines whether or not something can be unmounted by a normal user doesn't consider multiple partitions or what
[03:33] <hiptobecubic> The-Croupier, there was nothing fancy about it. I picked the packages i wanted and used installpkg and lilo. :)
[03:33] <hiptobecubic> I will say, however, that you have to make your data partition the first partition if you want it to function normally in windows.
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[03:34] <hiptobecubic> And i'm sure there are better implementations than mine
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[03:35] <The-Croupier> hiptobecubic: it doesnt matter if there are or not... "THE WORLD needs to know ;) "
[03:36] <hiptobecubic> The-Croupier, haha sure. Ready here's my tutorial. 1) download slackware. 2)installpkg --root /my/usb/key * 3)write an fstab and lilo.conf  4) get drunk
[03:36] <fire|bird> Urchlay: with the rt patch, you did pick the real time option in the kernel config, instead of just the preempt you'd usually pick, right?
[03:38] <The-Croupier> i have a problem with number 4... kind of difficult these days ;)
[03:38] <The-Croupier> elaborate on number 4 please ..;)
[03:38] <deco> ;)
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[03:40] <hiptobecubic> The-Croupier, sure. tutorial for number 4.... 1) download slackware 2) open vodka 3) drink 4) installpkg --root /vodkda/vodka 5) downlod saclkwre 5) drink... 6) repet steps 3-8
[03:42] <The-Croupier> hiptobecubic: i see... from my little experience i see that this tutorial is not going to work after number 3 ;)
[03:42] <The-Croupier> lots of spelling mistakes... and lots of errors would be generated :p
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[03:42] <hiptobecubic> NONSENES
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[03:43] <The-Croupier> see number 5 is twice with mistakes, and number 6 has mistakes in the first part of the command...
[03:43] <The-Croupier> maybe some things should be given another priority
[03:43] <The-Croupier> like number 2 and 3
[03:43] <hiptobecubic> you your just jell...jeluss of my beuatiful usbslac
[03:44] <The-Croupier> hiptobecubic: nope on the contrary im jealous of your vodka drinking scripts....;)
[03:44] <The-Croupier> lol
[03:45] <hiptobecubic> The-Croupier,   `while (true); cat vodka > mouth; done`
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[03:47] <The-Croupier> hiptobecubic: now you lost me...that is too advanced for me :p
[03:47] <The-Croupier> hiptobecubic: show off
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[03:55] <byteframe> How is PACKAGES.TXT generated?
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[04:06] <slava_dp> funny repeating bot in #ubuntu
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[04:08] <akrz> /usr/lib/libGL.so: could not read symbols: File in wrong format
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[04:08] <akrz> :(
[04:09] <Zordrak_> morn
[04:09] <slava_dp> akrz, reinstall mesa :)
[04:09] <slava_dp> hey Zordrak_
[04:10] <slava_dp> late today?
[04:10] <Zordrak_> pretty much on time
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[04:12] <akrz> how will reinstalling mesa fix my problem? :(
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[04:17] <Azeotrope> So, I have a guest winXP system that i want to be acessible by vnc. i get one error, it sais i have to forward port 5900 from my host. how do i do that?
[04:17] <Zordrak> use bridged networking instead
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[04:20] <keybt> can anyone help me with this error? im getting /usr/lib/libGL.so: could not read symbols: File in wrong format. i'm using slackware x64, which im sure is part of the reason why i'm getting that error. im trying to recompile Xine
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[04:23] <Azeotrope> Zodrak, I tried bridged connection but I get another error..
[04:24] <Azeotrope> I have no connection at all
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[04:34] <hwk> Does anyone know much about linux on PDA's?
[04:37] <Urchlay> anyone alive?
[04:38] <hwk> Guess not. Ah well
[04:38] <Azeotrope> me
[04:39] <Camarade_Tux> Urchlay: nope
[04:39] <Urchlay> Camarade_Tux: well I knew you wouldn't be alive, you damn zombie
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[04:40] <Camarade_Tux> brraaaaiiiiiiinnsssssssss :)
[04:40] <Azeotrope> How do i port forward if my machine is acting as a NAT? I have a virtual box machine that needs to be accessible.
[04:40] <mancha> is the box acting as a nat or a gnat?
[04:41] <mancha> your questions are alwyas so poorly put together!  :)
[04:41] <mancha> half the challenge is figuring out what you're really asking  heh
[04:42] <The-Croupier> mancha: lol ;)
[04:42] <Azeotrope> mancha, vnc inside the vbox sais that the servber might be behind a NAT.
[04:42] <Urchlay> hm. With the -rt kernel patch, ps and top show IRQs as processes. Maybe handy...
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[04:42] <Azeotrope> mine?
[04:42] <Azeotrope> me?
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[04:42] <mancha> interesting, any particular reason for real time support in terms of proc preemption?
[04:45] <Urchlay> mancha: audio recording
[04:45] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, as in home studio? Are you a musician?
[04:45] <Urchlay> yah
[04:45] <hiptobecubic> Keen
[04:45] <mancha> ah ok. what userland app requires an rtos?
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[04:46] <Urchlay> just now trying to use a PC as a studio for the first time ever in me life, so I have nothing to impress you with :)
[04:46] <Urchlay> mancha: in my case, jackd, ardour, and maybe hydrogen and rakarrack
[04:46] <hiptobecubic> I bought a line6 TonePort UX2 several years ago, before i started using linux. A driver just showed up in /staging. Been trying to get that to work
[04:46] <mancha> they require a kernel+rt?  didn't realize (then again i am not a big audio guy)
[04:47] <hiptobecubic> mancha, they probably don't require it per se, but latency is everything when you are trying to record
[04:47] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, what do you play?
[04:47] <Urchlay> CONFIG_PREEMPT is only supposed to be good for "single-digit millisecond latencies"
[04:47] <mancha> yah, it's not very effective
[04:47] <Urchlay> (without the rt patch I mean)
[04:48] <Urchlay> hiptobecubic: guitar & bass
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[04:48] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, sing?
[04:48] <Urchlay> and a tiny bit of drums (enough to at least be able to talk intelligently to a real drummer)
[04:48] <Urchlay> nah, I don't really sing. Never did learn to sing & play at the same time
[04:48] <mancha> Urch you mean worst case scenario drops to single digit milliseconds?
[04:49] <The-Croupier> hiptobecubic: you use slackware as well ;) nice ;)
[04:49] <Urchlay> mancha: http://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions is where I got that... I think it means that's the best case
[04:49] <hiptobecubic> The-Croupier, hm?
[04:49] <mancha> Azeotrope i have trouble understanding you generally, if you explain your situationa bit more i can try to offer ideas
[04:50] <The-Croupier> hiptobecubic: my bad...thought i saw you in openbsd as well ;)
[04:50] <hiptobecubic> The-Croupier, ah. nope :)
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[04:50] <Urchlay> hiptobecubic: I don't (yet?) have a proper audio interface, just using crappy onboard audio
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[04:51] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, ah ok. Well stay away from line6 :D
[04:51] <The-Croupier> mancha: why do you say generally has that happened again ;)
[04:51] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, it was great when i used windows and needed something cheap and versatile. It's really a shame they don't support linux
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[04:52] <mancha> The-Croup i am not sure if it's him or me, but i often have a "wtf" reaction to his questions heh. then again, maybe it's the $drugs
[04:52] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: !
[04:53] <Urchlay> we have a cheapo line6 guitar practice amp here
[04:53] <dchmelik> have you read the Illuminatus trilogy?
[04:53] <Urchlay> it's actually OK for what it is
[04:53] <mancha> why is rt not mainlined
[04:54] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, ah. Yeah, i like the toneport. It is certainly good enough for home recording, can be controlled via midi, and has a lot of DSP effects without buying any extra stompboxes or anything
[04:54] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, just none of it works in linux :D
[04:55] <maybe> i want to share some directories containing ISO on my machine (slackware13.0) to other machines in lan , sampa ( smp ) used to integrate Linux with ms-windows ,but in my case i want to  share from machine run slackware to laptop run also slackware , this mean use NFS , man nfs ... will take some time  :) , can anyone abstract the steps to get NFS work
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[04:55] <appzer0> man exports :)
[04:55] <Urchlay> hiptobecubic: I need to go & ask my former guitar player/singer what kind of audio interface she got (whatever it was, it was supported out-of-the-box on ubuntu, like 1.5 years ago)
[04:56] <maybe> from man nfs =>  nfs - fstab format and options for the nfs and nfs4 file systems  and SYNOPSIS   /etc/fstab
[04:56] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, there are a lot of good ones out there that are supported fine in linux. If you have your own pedals etc it's no problem at all. If you're poor and trying not to buy pedals, then you're out of luck with the toneport unless you go win (mac too?)
[04:57] <hiptobecubic> maybe, http://slackbook.org/html/network-configuration-nfs.html#NETWORK-CONFIGURATION-NFS-NFS
[04:57] <maybe> thanks :)
[05:00] <The-Croupier> mancha: lol ;)
[05:00] <The-Croupier> mancha: consider this: is it only him? or you have a "wtf" reaction in lots of questions....:p
[05:00] <The-Croupier> then you just eliminated one of them ...so the problem is the other ;)
[05:03] <Urchlay> hiptobecubic: eh? what makes you say "out of luck" if you don't have pedals?
[05:04] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, the toneport has a lot of pedal/cab emulation built in. People buy it because they don't want to buy all of the individual hardware. None of the emulation works in linux.
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[05:04] <Urchlay> eh, is the emulation done in firmware on the device itself? or is it done in software, in the windows driver?
[05:05] <Urchlay> (cause there are software effects processors like rakarrack, that are jack-compatible and such)
[05:05] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, the driver it seems.
[05:05] <Urchlay> probly so
[05:05] <hiptobecubic> the POD series does it in the hardware so you can wing it in linux by fiddling with the registers yourself, not so with the toneport
[05:05] <hiptobecubic> it's a shame
[05:06] <Urchlay> ideally when you're recording though... you don't want to record the "effected" sound, you want to record the clean sound, then add effects later... right?
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[05:08] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, ideally, yes. If you don't have fast enough hardware then recording everything clean and doing dsp on the fly isn't really an option.
[05:09] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, also, it makes a good performance box. instant set-up etc
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[05:10] <Urchlay> ugh, I wouldn't want to bring any kind of laptop to any of the venues where I play...
[05:11] <Urchlay> OTOH, I'm playing bass in the band, I don't use effects other than a compressor (that stays on the whole time)
[05:11] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, :) it has its ups and downs
[05:12] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, what genre band?
[05:13] <Urchlay> rock cover band...
[05:13] <Urchlay> led zep, ac/dc, deep purple, some southern rock
[05:14] <hiptobecubic> ah ok
[05:14] <Urchlay> the original band I was in, sort of imploded
[05:14] <hiptobecubic> that's fun
[05:14] <Urchlay> (if the people in the band are the DNA, then the band was born with a fatal birth defect...)
[05:14] <hiptobecubic> all the good bands are like that
[05:15] <Urchlay> yeah, but don't let that fool you: all the bad bands are like that, too...
[05:15] <hiptobecubic> :D
[05:16] <Urchlay> the cover band is at least getting a few gigs and pulling in a few dollars
[05:16] <Urchlay> (so far, a very few dollars...)
[05:18] <hiptobecubic> they never make money. As long as you cover gas and get some food / beer out of the deal it's a win
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[05:19] <Urchlay> yeah... tho I don't really drink like I used to...
[05:20] <hiptobecubic> I forgot how enormous torcs is.
[05:22] <slava_dp> it's tough to work on a remote system over a gsm link.
[05:22] <Camarade_Tux> the zombies, they got slackytude ='(
[05:22] <winter> impossible
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[05:25] <Urchlay> torcs is pretty neat though
[05:26] <Urchlay> (you using the SBo script? that's one of mine...)
[05:27] <hiptobecubic> yes
[05:28] <hiptobecubic> still downloading....
[05:28] <hiptobecubic> I think i'm going to upgrade the neighbors' wireless for christmas
[05:28] <Urchlay> I haven't actually played the game all that much, it's sorta painful to play with the mouse
[05:28] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm, anyone speaking german here?
[05:29] <Urchlay> nein!
[05:29] <hiptobecubic> ja!
[05:29] <alisonken1noc> isn't that what ##slackware.de is for ?
[05:29] <Camarade_Tux> I need to say "save something" but I can't get the proper translation for "save"
[05:29] <Camarade_Tux> there's a slackware.de? :P
[05:29] <alisonken1noc> :)
[05:29] <hiptobecubic> sichern?
[05:30] <hiptobecubic> Speichern?
[05:30] <Camarade_Tux> what's the difference?
[05:30] <hiptobecubic> Camarade_Tux, p and e
[05:31] <Urchlay> Camarade_Tux: export LOCALE=de_DE, then run any GUI app, and look in its "File" menu (there should be a "Save" option there, right?)
[05:31] <hiptobecubic> ... or look up a screenshot
[05:32] <Camarade_Tux> Urchlay: ^^
[05:32] <Urchlay> err, LANG, not LOCALE
[05:33] <Camarade_Tux> sichern is better I guess
[05:33] <Camarade_Tux> oh, I hadn't noticed, it's "save something" as in "save a species"
[05:33] <Camarade_Tux> (not a file)
[05:33] <Urchlay> oh, nm
[05:34] <Camarade_Tux> Urchlay: but it showed "speichern" wasn't what I needed ;-)
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[05:34] <Urchlay> google translate isn't helpful?
[05:34] <Camarade_Tux> it usually sucks hairy balls when it comes to german :)
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[05:35] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, you have to be tricky with google translate. Context makes a big difference
[05:35] <Urchlay> it tells me: "save the whales" - "Rettet die Wale"
[05:36] <Urchlay> on the other hand:
[05:36] <Urchlay> "save our ship" - "Save our Schiff"
[05:36] <hiptobecubic> en -> de:  Save your ass -> Save your ass.
[05:36] <hiptobecubic> Thanks google.
[05:36] <Urchlay> haha
[05:36] <Urchlay> what about good ol' babelfish?
[05:36] <hiptobecubic> babelfish doesn't usually do any better
[05:36] <Urchlay> außer den Walen. außer unserem Schiff. außer meiner Ass.
[05:37] <hiptobecubic> plus google as a lovely json api so you don't even need their page
[05:37] <Urchlay> at least it gets the same word for "save" in all 3 sentences
[05:37] <winter> Speichern Sie ihre Esel
[05:37] <winter> enable cookies
[05:38] <slava_dp> nice mozilla/ff bug from 2002, still not fixed: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147659
[05:38] <sahk0> http://www.tuaw.com/2009/11/21/smoking-kills-your-mac/
[05:38] <winter> Schalten Sie Cookies
[05:38] <winter> ^g. translator
[05:39] <Urchlay> sahk0: as a long-time smoker, I've had to clean some truly disgusting crap out of air vents
[05:39] <sahk0> but voiding guarantee? thats absurd
[05:39] <snL20> just imagine your lungs
[05:39] <Urchlay> and from fan blades even (had a box that failed to boot because the CPU fan was weighed down with tar and dust)
[05:39] <sahk0> warranty*
[05:40] <sahk0> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/11/21/smoking_may_void_applecare_warranty.html
[05:40] <Urchlay> depends on how long the warranty's for. If it's just a year or two, that's completely absurd
[05:41] <Urchlay> if it were 10 or 20 years, that'd make sense, but nobody does 10+ year warranty on computers anyway
[05:41] <snL20> noone sane anyway
[05:41] <snL20> :]
[05:45] <Urchlay> nobody at all... they're only built to last a couple years anymore, you're expected to keep buying a newer/faster one
[05:45] <sahk0> they should make smoking illegal. but that would mean losing a very large part of the taxes
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[05:46] <sahk0> although i am a long timer smoker too
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[05:46] <sahk0> brb
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[05:46] <prashant_> hello everyone
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[05:47] <slava_dp> smoking sucks
[05:47] <Urchlay> if smoking becomes illegal, the prisons will be even more orvercrowded than they are now...
[05:48] <slava_dp> let's legalize joints and ban tobacco.
[05:48] <Urchlay> I wouldn't smoke weed again even if it were legal though
[05:49] <prashant_> I am unable to configure sound. the alsaconfig command is not working.
[05:49] <slava_dp> prashant_, it's alsaconf
[05:50] <prashant_> slava_dp:  err ,,, sorry
[05:51] <prashant_> does xfce4 supports desktop effects?
[05:52] <sahk0> to rephrase i dont anything should be illegal. but since there are stuff that is, smoking nicotine and alcohol should be too
[05:52] <Urchlay> alcohol, for some cultures, goes back further than writing or agriculture
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[05:53] <mancha> hard to much before agriculture as most spirits were fermented ag products
[05:53] <Urchlay> (heck, I know modern adult humans who are illiterate and know nothing of farming, who drink lots of beer...)
[05:53] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, i have plib, openal, and freealut installed but torcs failed
[05:53] <Urchlay> what kind of failed?
[05:54] <Urchlay> I dunno that I've ever built torcs on 13.0 (did on -current a couple months before 13 was released though)
[05:54] <hiptobecubic> failing to find some headers
[05:55] <Urchlay> which ones?
[05:55] <hiptobecubic> looks like about all of them
[05:56] <hiptobecubic> :D hold on
[05:56] <Urchlay> ls: /usr/include: No such file or directory
[05:56] <Urchlay> d'oh!
[05:58] <hiptobecubic> well this is odd
[05:59] <hiptobecubic> I just went to /var/cache/SBo/torcs-1.3.1 and ran make and now it's working.
[05:59] <hiptobecubic> sbopkg failed miserably
[05:59] <Urchlay> hm
[06:00] <Urchlay> never have tried to use sbopkg for anything, I may have written a script that's somehow incompatible with it
[06:00] <hiptobecubic> not sure how. it just runs the script like anyone would
[06:03] <alisonken1noc> sbopkg downloads the slackbuild, then uses that info to build a package
[06:04] <alisonken1noc> interesting that a slackbuild would kill sbopkg but install fine manually
[06:04] <hiptobecubic> that's not what's happening
[06:04] <hiptobecubic> running make manually in the source tree works fine. The slackbuild does not
[06:05] <Urchlay> hrrr, can pastebin the script's output?
[06:06] <hiptobecubic> well just running make didn't work out either. but it got much farther and then died on "/usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-slackware-linux/4.3.3/../../../../x86_64-slackware-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -ltgf"
[06:08] <alisonken1noc> ok - that's a little different than "ran make and now it's working" :)
[06:08] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, you should try building it, since it doesn't seem to build on -current anyway.
[06:09] <hiptobecubic> alisonken1noc, "it's working" means "it's working" not "it has finished successfully"
[06:09] <alisonken1noc> "it's working" to me usually means it finished successfully
[06:09] <alisonken1noc> but, that's me
[06:10] <Urchlay> hiptobecubic: not running -current any more though
[06:10] <hiptobecubic> fair enough
[06:10] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, does it build on 13?
[06:10] <Urchlay> dunno yet, about to find out. You on 32 or 64 bit?
[06:12] <prashant_> how to make compiz fusion work with xfce4?
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[06:12] <winter> prashant_ compiz --replace
[06:13] <sahk0> compiz fusion is now named compiz which is the same as what Slackware has in x/ but its quite outdated AFAIK
[06:13] <prashant_> winter: should i directly give this command?
[06:13] <winter> not necesarly, i prefere fusion-icon
[06:14] <gutts> hi
[06:14] <prashant_> winter: see, i have just installed slack with xfce4.can u tell me in more detailed way how to download and configure it?
[06:15] <winter> use slackpkg
[06:15] <winter> man slackpkg
[06:15] <gutts> do we need to install libxine1-ffmpeg and phonon-backend-xine in the last slackware to get sound ?
[06:15] <gutts> as on some distros ?
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[06:15] <sahk0> gutts: theres no packages like that on slackware
[06:15] <sahk0> phonon gives both gstreamer and xine backened
[06:16] <sahk0> the first package you are talking about is probably xine-lib
[06:16] <Urchlay> hiptobecubic: it's building now on 13, 64-bit. Remains to be seen whether it finishes OK...
[06:17] <sahk0> if you want to use kde you need phonon. but you have the choice to use whatever backend you want
[06:17] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, hmm
[06:17] <slava_dp> gutts, on slackware, just do a full install.
[06:17] <sahk0> yeah that too^
[06:17] <gutts> sahk0: in fact, what I want to know is if I have to install something else on slack or if it works without installing anything
[06:17] <slava_dp> gutts, you won't get any crap, it's about 4.5 gigs total.
[06:17] <sahk0> gutts: obviously, you dont
[06:18] <gutts> slava_dp: because on debian we need to install this two packages
[06:18] <gutts> ok so I will install slack next :p
[06:18] <slava_dp> gutts, slackware is simplicity.
[06:18] <gutts> Yeah I've used 12.2 for a long time
[06:18] <Urchlay> hiptobecubic: it went fine. I didn't remove/rebuild my old plib, openal, or freealut packages though
[06:18] <gutts> but kde4 makes me fear
[06:19] <hiptobecubic> Urchlay, well damn
[06:19] <gutts> (apologies for my bas english)
[06:19] <Urchlay> I mean maybe there's a newer version of one of the deps than the ones I have installed, and the new version breaks torcs somehow...?
[06:21] <Urchlay> hm, no, the versions I have are all the ones that are currently on SBo
[06:23] <Rik316> Could someone help me with a sound problem?
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[06:24] <slava_dp> Rik316, don't ask to ask just ask
[06:24] <Rik316> I'm running slackware on my desktop and I have my speakers plugged in to the green jack. I tried running alsaconf and it gave me an option between an intel and a creative card. I tried each one separately, and i used alsamixer to set the volume to max and i think i mananged to unmute everything so I really have no idea why I'm still not hearing anything
[06:25] <slava_dp> Rik316, disable the other card physically or via bios.
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[06:25] <Rik316> kk bbs
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[06:26] <tgm> What is the quickiest / easiest way to find if a package is in the package tree?
[06:26] <tgm> for instance, festival
[06:26] <sahk0> ask me :)
[06:26] <gar0t0> good morning ppl :)
[06:26] <sahk0> its not
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[06:26] <tgm> I see there is a GUI front end for festival and was just wondering ...
[06:27] <tgm> sahk0: Was that for me?
[06:27] <sahk0> yes
[06:27] <tgm> tnx
[06:27] <tgm> I thought that was the case, just not sure.
[06:27] <sahk0> there is a package browser but its down atm
[06:28] <tgm> Just built a 13.0 box for myself, have built several for others and got  hold of some hardware for myself.
[06:28] <tgm> sahk0: Oh yea... I remember
[06:28] <tgm> slackware.it  or somehting like that...
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[06:30] <tgm> it's pakcage.slackware.it  yes.. and I see that it's down now, broken.
[06:30] <tgm> Says, "The old package browser was broken -- instead of trying to fix it I am creating a new one"
[06:30] <tgm> cool
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[06:32] <sahk0> i wonder how kttsd works without festival though
[06:33] <sahk0> must be using some other thing
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[06:39] <Rik316> hey again
[06:39] <Rik316> I checked in my bios to try to disable one of the cards
[06:39] <Rik316> and it only gave me the option
[06:39] <Rik316> sound off/on
[06:39] <Rik316> so I just left it on'
[06:42] <slava_dp> Rik316, which card do you use?
[06:42] <slava_dp> creative or the onboard one?
[06:43] <Rik316> I'm not sure which one I'm supposed to use but I tired both the intel and the creative separately in alsaconf
[06:43] <Rik316> tried*
[06:43] <Rik316> and got no results with either one
[06:43] <slava_dp> 1) unplug the creative from the pci slot and try with the intel alone. 2) disable intel in bios (audio: off) and try with the creative alone.
[06:44] <Rik316> hmm
[06:44] <Rik316> I think i'll try disabling the one from the bios first
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[06:44] <Rik316> I'm gonna try to avoid sticking my hand in the case :p
[06:44] <slava_dp> which creative model is it?
[06:45] <Rik316> I really have no idea
[06:45] <Rik316> but it shows up as ca106
[06:45] <Rik316> or something like that
[06:45] <slava_dp> lspci will tell you :)
[06:45] <Rik316> command not found :p
[06:46] <slava_dp> as root
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[06:46] <Rik316> Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS
[06:47] <Rik316> Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
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[06:48] <Rik316> is there anything else ? or shall
[06:48] <Rik316> I proceed to reboot :p
[06:48] <slava_dp> go on.
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[06:49] <winter> hehe
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[06:52] <Camarade_Tux> google translate: english -> german: "does anyone know?" -> "does anyone know?" \o/
[06:52] <Rik316> kk disabled it in bios
[06:52] <Rik316> only getting the creative option in alsaconf now
[06:54] <Rik316> slava_dp: Still nothing :(
[06:55] Action: slava_dp does not have clues
[06:55] <Rik316> hehe
[06:55] <Rik316> I'll ask you about another prob then :p
[06:55] <slava_dp> i heard bad things about creative cards tbh.
[06:55] <Rik316> ohhh
[06:55] <Rik316> hmm
[06:55] <Rik316> well I guess I should try removing it
[06:55] <Rik316> hope I don't break it in the process :p
[06:56] <Rik316> bbs
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[06:59] <corte> Hey does anyone know of a way to add something to Xfce's (4.6) root window context menu?
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[07:04] <Kaapa> corte: like root-tail?
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[07:08] <corte> Kaapa, i'm not sure what you mean...i just mean on the desktop context menu that has like "Create Folder" & "Desktop Settings"..know what I mean?
[07:10] <corte> yeah not quite like root tail
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[07:11] <macavity> 'ello :-)
[07:12] <slava_dp> hey macavity
[07:12] <The-Croupier> hiya macavity
[07:12] <The-Croupier> greeting Kaapa ;) long time no see ;)
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[07:19] <Kaapa> The-Croupier: busy busy busy... hows  things?
[07:19] <Kaapa> corte: oh, you mean when you right click on the root window
[07:20] <Kaapa> forget it, I don't know. I was thinking of something else
[07:20] <slava_dp> that's not a root window by the way.
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[07:20] <slava_dp> that's a desktop ;)
[07:20] <jeronimo1> what is a module name for Bus 002 Device 006: ID 045e:00f5 Microsoft Corp. LifeCam VX-3000. ?
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[07:21] <slava_dp> jeronimo1, dmesg | tail
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[07:21] <jeronimo1> ok 10x
[07:22] <The-Croupier> Kaapa: not bad...same here...busy busy busy ;)
[07:22] <The-Croupier> nice to see you back ;) youll be around?
[07:22] <Kaapa> I'm always around
[07:22] <Kaapa> I'm one of those users that could very well be mistaken by a bot - but I'm here ;)
[07:23] <jeronimo1> slava_dp: nothing about microsoft cam... ?
[07:23] <macavity> Kaapa: prove it :P
[07:23] <slava_dp> jeronimo1, unplug it and plug it back. then do the dmesg thing.
[07:23] <jeronimo1> ok
[07:23] <jeronimo1> :")
[07:23] <Kaapa> macavity: :p
[07:24] <jeronimo1> slava_dp: ehci_hcd
[07:24] <slava_dp> nope, not that one
[07:24] <slava_dp> that's a generic usb driver
[07:24] <jeronimo1> ops
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[07:25] <jeronimo1> slava_dp: i have all drivers for cam in kernel by <M>
[07:26] <jeronimo1> just i want to load it
[07:26] <jeronimo1> the module
[07:26] <macavity> jeronimo1: gspca
[07:26] <macavity> at least that is what the ubuntu forum says
[07:26] <macavity> first hit in google for "LifeCam VX-3000 linux support"
[07:26] <jeronimo1> slava_dp: i think this is: ehci_hcd a module name
[07:26] <jeronimo1> i'm sure
[07:27] <slava_dp> gspca is a fail driver. uvcvideo is the win one
[07:27] <slava_dp> jeronimo1, modprobe gspca
[07:27] <jeronimo1> ghost:~# modprobe gspca
[07:27] <jeronimo1> fatalnix1995: Module gspca not found.
[07:27] <jeronimo1> ghost:~# modprobe uvcvideo
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[07:27] <jeronimo1> [ 1083.510888] usbcore: registered new interface driver uvcvideo
[07:27] <jeronimo1> [ 1083.513953] USB Video Class driver (v0.1.0)
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[07:28] <jeronimo1> ops sorry
[07:28] <jeronimo1> re
[07:28] <macavity>  /lib/modules/2.6.29.6-smp/kernel/drivers/media/video/gspca
[07:29] <v3gard> how do you guys pronounce "0-day exploits"? I've always said "zero-day", but the other day I heard someone say "oh-day".. *confused*
[07:30] <macavity> ahh
[07:30] <slava_dp> v3gard, i guess it's however you like it :)
[07:31] <jeronimo1> slava_dp: i think i have all.. where is that in kernel gspca in drivers section?
[07:31] <macavity> zer-oh-day?
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[07:32] <macavity> jeronimo1: my bad.. it is one of the gspca_spca5xx drivers in /lib/modules/2.6.29.6-smp/kernel/drivers/media/video/gspca
[07:32] <slava_dp> jeronimo1, zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i gspca
[07:32] <jeronimo1> macavity: aha
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[07:33] <hiptobecubic> v3gard, zero-day
[07:33] <hiptobecubic> referring to the 0'th day after release
[07:33] <jeronimo1> slava_dp: i'm on debian
[07:33] <jeronimo1> now..
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[07:33] <macavity> jeronimo1: lsmod | grep gspca
[07:33] <macavity> just to see if it actually loaded anything on its own
[07:33] Action: slava_dp goes away
[07:34] <x-ip> it's normal to have 1G ram mem used by a fresh installed slack 13 with kde 4 ?
[07:34] <jeronimo1> macavity: nothing
[07:34] <v3gard> hiptobecubic: that was my argument as well
[07:34] <guax> x-ip, yes
[07:34] <x-ip> thanks
[07:34] <hiptobecubic> v3gard, that is the origin of the phrase.
[07:34] <guax> its probably most made of cache
[07:34] <macavity> jeronimo1: lsmod | grep ov51
[07:34] <x-ip> yes, 600M
[07:34] <v3gard> okey, so I'm sticking to zero-day and zer-oh-day. thanks for the input guys :)
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[07:35] <jeronimo1> gspca-modules-2.6.26-2-amd64
[07:35] <macavity> jeronimo1: lsmod | grep uvcvideo
[07:35] <macavity> ah, you are on an older kernel
[07:35] <jeronimo1> epic4 2.6.0 (Plebiscite) + hienoa 0.53
[07:36] <jeronimo1> ops
[07:36] <macavity> :P
[07:36] <jeronimo1> macavity: no.. by default is 2.6 but i'm now booted the 2.6.31.6
[07:36] <jeronimo1> i have and 2.6.29.6
[07:36] <jeronimo1> but modules of apt-get is for 2.6 for gspca
[07:37] <jeronimo1> uvcvideo is loaded i think is load my tuner
[07:38] <macavity> jeronimo1: ok, it might also be gspca_sonix
[07:38] <jeronimo1> check!
[07:39] <macavity> sonixj that is
[07:39] <macavity> lkddb usb 045e 00f5 ...... ...... 0000 ffff :: CONFIG_USB_GSPCA CONFIG_USB_GSPCA_SONIXJ :: drivers/media/video/gspca/sonixj.c
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[07:39] <macavity> there you go :P
[07:39] <macavity> http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/USB_GSPCA_SONIXJ.html
[07:40] <macavity> "found in Linux Kernels: from 2.6.28 release still available on 2.6.31 release"
[07:41] <jeronimo1> on what section?
[07:41] <jeronimo1> drivers/multimedia?
[07:41] <macavity> read the above...
[07:42] <macavity> ah, sorry, i read your kernel version as 26.9
[07:42] <macavity> not 29.6
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[07:46] <jeronimo1> i have 2.6.31.6
[07:46] <macavity> then just use the search thingie and find CONFIG_USB_GSPCA_SONIXJ
[07:46] <macavity> i think you just press /
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[07:47] <macavity> "depends on: CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L2 && CONFIG_USB_GSPCA"
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[07:48] <jeronimo1> aha
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[07:55] <jeronimo1> macavity: i found it!
[07:55] <jeronimo1> but i need to recompile :(
[07:55] <jeronimo1> 1h
[07:55] <jeronimo1> work
[07:56] <The-Croupier> jeronimo1: did you check those j5 j2 j9 options ;) on the compile ;)
[07:57] <jeronimo1> yeste
[07:57] <The-Croupier> there are some "J" options that make compilation quicker ;)
[07:57] <jeronimo1> ok
[07:57] <jeronimo1> bye 10x macavity slava_dp
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[08:11] <metrofox> hi there!
[08:12] <x-ip> hello
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[08:12] <slava_dp> metrofox, no hi for you today.
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[08:19] <metrofox> hey slava_dp :)
[08:21] <The-Croupier> 30% of the logs is with people saying hi to eachother... i do understand now what spook was talking about, when he said that irc policy is not to say hi on irc everytime :(
[08:22] Action: The-Croupier never does it too :(
[08:22] Action: The-Croupier says hi alot too...:(
[08:22] <theblackbox> The-Croupier, bots really piss me off when they ahve an auto-greet function
[08:22] <maybe> hello instead of hi :)
[08:23] <maybe> peace on you
[08:25] <ananke> The-Croupier: that's false logic. just because something happens, doesn't mean there is no rules or customs against it
[08:26] <ananke> by that logic, irc spam must be ok
[08:27] <slava_dp> why is pam evil? looks like a useful technology to me.
[08:27] <macavity> slava_dp: slackware doesnt have it, argo, it is evil ;-)
[08:27] <thrice`> who said it was evil ?
[08:28] <macavity> just like gnome :P
[08:28] <macavity> *ergo
[08:28] <The-Croupier> ananke: i never said it was ok... on the contrary..i said it was not that good ;) as spook said a long time ago ;)
[08:28] <slava_dp> that's what i've heard from most discussions here
[08:28] <The-Croupier> like troll, spam also...is kind of annoying
[08:28] <slava_dp> hi The-Croupier :)
[08:29] <The-Croupier> either it is irc, mail,...etc whatever kind
[08:29] <The-Croupier> slava_dp: :p ;)
[08:29] <macavity> slava_dp: i think the problem with it is that it can be hard to configure, and it can be hard to envision what is actually going on
[08:30] <The-Croupier> ananke: also, people like to introduce themselves...or make known that they are active...;) without saying hi to people it is a little hard ;)
[08:30] <The-Croupier> macavity: what do you mean?
[08:30] <slava_dp> macavity, well, it seems most systems manage
[08:30] <macavity> The-Croupier: i am a big fan of hi'ing :P
[08:30] <macavity> slava_dp: i am by no means a PAM expert, but one of the selling points of slackware in general is that i know what the fsck is going on
[08:31] <The-Croupier> there is times i do hi * otherwise i would write 320 hi lines ;) for every guy that is on the channel ;)
[08:31] <The-Croupier> on the other hand... people do reply to that ;) otherwise its considered rude ;) so...
[08:31] <macavity> slava_dp: with PAM (at least in a complex default setup) it can become rather weird to figure out exactly how the authentication works for a given situation
[08:31] <macavity> but obviously we will eventually need it
[08:32] <macavity> The-Croupier: you ;) a lot :P
[08:32] <maybe> correct my info slackware not use PAM right ?
[08:32] <The-Croupier> macavity: im greek what do you expect :p ;)
[08:32] <macavity> maybe: affirmative
[08:32] <x-ip> greek food is awsome :)
[08:33] <macavity> The-Croupier: greek people wink more at eachother than other people?!?
[08:34] <macavity> btw, food time
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[08:36] <maybe> what is equivalent to PAM used with slackware ?
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[08:37] <macavity> maybe: nothing
[08:37] <macavity> maybe: PAM is a framework that provides other means of authentication than passwords
[08:38] <maybe> is this positive thing ... KISS principle ..i guess
[08:38] <macavity> maybe: for instance a fingerprint reader would require PAM to be able to authenticate you
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[08:39] <macavity> maybe: or being in some kind of trust relationship based on, say, cryptographic certificates
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[08:42] <macavity> maybe: with Kerberos/ldap you can set up a system where you dont need to log in on the remote machines once you are identified to the system
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[08:43] <macavity> maybe: this is the equivalent of Microsoft Active Directory.. but all this requires PAM
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[08:43] <macavity> generally any kind of "single sign on" system will require PAM
[08:43] <corte> hmm...a C++ question for someone--should i be using "delete" in my destructor in a very small program?  the memory gets freed from the heap when the program exits anyway, correct?
[08:44] <maybe> thanks 4 explanations
[08:44] <tripFantastic> corte practice good coding techniques from the beginning.
[08:44] <alisonken1noc> it's always good practice to clean up after yourself
[08:44] <tripFantastic> jinx!
[08:44] <tripFantastic> my turn!!!
[08:44] <corte> yeah i figured that would be the answer:)...so with a linked list, am i going to have to iterate & delete each element?  or will all be freed from the head pointer?
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[08:45] <tripFantastic> which list direction?
[08:45] <corte> just 1 way, forward
[08:45] <corte> pNext :P
[08:45] <tripFantastic> if head has sentinal back, list[PREV], then LIFO is easiest
[08:45] <tripFantastic> null sential, i mean
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[08:45] <tripFantastic> which devolves to a pop
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[08:46] <macavity> corte: is the memory for the linked list alocated in one go?
[08:46] <tripFantastic> if you know Forth dictionary format then you comprehend
[08:46] <corte> macavity, no it's not, i loop through something & do object->pNext = new Blah()
[08:47] <macavity> corte: then you need to free each object on its own
[08:47] <corte> macavity, gotcha, thanks guys!
[08:47] <tripFantastic> that's harder to code; unnatural and complicated
[08:47] <tripFantastic> IMHO
[08:47] <corte> is it?
[08:47] <corte> what do you recommend?
[08:47] <macavity> not to mention that it is slow as molasses
[08:47] <corte> if i have a file i'm iterating through that is, creating objects for separate lines
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[08:48] <tripFantastic> ok; list[0][prev] == NULL; that's sentinal; new child points to PREV created node
[08:48] <corte> (yeah that's C++ for dummies for you btw ;p)
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[08:48] <tripFantastic> and one var pointing to latest node (newest)
[08:48] <macavity> each call to new Blah() costs you a malloc, which means you envoke the kernel quite often
[08:48] <tripFantastic> while( list[node][PREV]) deaclloc()
[08:49] <corte> wouldn't that be the same thing as going forward, though?
[08:49] <macavity> if you insist on calling new Blah() each time you should call sbrk() yourself with a reasonable expectation about how much memory you are going to need
[08:49] <tripFantastic> remember to adjust latest if you chop off the latest node.
[08:49] <tripFantastic> no, because backwards is easier than forward processing
[08:49] <tripFantastic> see the while loop again
[08:49] <macavity> otherwise malloc() calls sbrk() (which is a kernel call) every so often to set the limit a little higher at the time
[08:50] <tripFantastic> rephrase:
[08:50] <corte> k :)
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[08:50] <corte> i think i might do some reading on this
[08:50] <tripFantastic> hmm hold on; not enuf cofee
[08:50] <corte> hehe k trip
[08:50] <macavity> corte: also grap hold of "What every programmer should know about memory" by Ulrick Drepper
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[08:51] <tripFantastic> ok; you can google `forth dictionary'
[08:51] <corte> great, exactly the kind of document i was looking for
[08:51] <tripFantastic> ok [stopping]
[08:51] <macavity> corte: you can download it from RedHat (you may need to sign up).. but it is a *bloody* good paper
[08:51] <corte> excellent
[08:51] <tripFantastic> ew no blood
[08:51] <corte> and google pulled it right up :P
[08:51] <macavity> beware though.. it is as dry as bone meal
[08:51] <tripFantastic> heh
[08:51] <corte> eh i'm used to it
[08:51] <corte>  read MS papers all day for work
[08:52] <corte> KB's & technet are blah
[08:52] <tripFantastic> he has no flare for writing?
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[08:52] <tripFantastic> flair
[08:52] <tripFantastic> corte Taoism: work smart, not hard.
[08:52] <tripFantastic> unix taoism
[08:52] <macavity> he just puts the point accross in as few words as nessecary.. but the points just keep on comming
[08:52] <tripFantastic> that's elegant.
[08:52] <tripFantastic> if he cant reword it any better
[08:53] <corte> aha, i'd rather have points thrown at me, but always with examples
[08:53] <macavity> but it strains the brain quickly.. it is a very deep analysis
[08:53] <tripFantastic> arrows?
[08:53] <corte> arrows not so much
[08:53] <macavity> just look it over and you will see :P
[08:53] <tripFantastic> heh
[08:53] <tripFantastic> technically, i'm suggesting a lifo list
[08:54] <corte> will do--i already have a pretty good understanding of system memory--read a lot on reverse engineering then decided i wanted to learn C++
[08:54] <tripFantastic> with NULL at the head node
[08:54] <tripFantastic> and one var pointing to newest node.
[08:54] <corte> gotcha...so due to memory layout, it's faster to go backward?
[08:54] <corte> that kinda confused me when you said it before
[08:54] <tripFantastic> well; more for the coder it's easer
[08:54] <tripFantastic> sorry
[08:54] <corte> ah ok
[08:54] <tripFantastic> i plead lack of coffee
[08:55] <corte> understood ha
[08:55] <macavity> lol
[08:55] <tripFantastic> and if you code aright, compiler will optimise better
[08:55] <tripFantastic> last() returns latest
[08:56] <corte> yeah this is my first attempt at a true OO program, all the rest of stuff i've written was thrown together procedural code (with a few objects)..never really any polymorphism except in school
[08:56] <tripFantastic> it's just all addresses
[08:56] <tripFantastic> ***name
[08:56] <tripFantastic> coding style; heh
[08:56] <tripFantastic> c2.com calls it `threestar'
[08:56] <tripFantastic> it's rather umm
[08:57] <tripFantastic> esoteric
[08:57] <tripFantastic> lol
[08:57] <corte> yeah pointers confused the hell outta me for years
[08:57] <macavity> personally i think OO is highly over rated :P
[08:57] <tripFantastic> they're just addresses, same in assembler
[08:57] <macavity> but then again, i am a very procedural kind of guy ;-)
[08:57] <corte> yeah i like assembler
[08:57] <tripFantastic> i'm a Forther
[08:57] <corte> assembler seems almost simplier to me
[08:57] <tripFantastic> yea
[08:57] <corte> and esoteric is a funny word ;p
[08:57] <tripFantastic> heh
[08:57] <corte> to refer to coding style that is
[08:57] <tripFantastic> google `estoeric languages'
[08:58] <macavity> lolcode is the latest thing :P
[08:58] <tripFantastic> k
[08:58] <tripFantastic> i need to visit their ring soon
[08:58] <corte> man computer nerds are weird
[08:58] <corte> :P
[08:58] <tripFantastic> macavity did you ever see the Queue language?
[08:58] <macavity> all programs begin with "OH HAI!"
[08:58] <tripFantastic> lol
[08:58] <corte> that did make me lol :P
[08:58] <tripFantastic> Queue was very interesting
[08:59] <corte> thanks for the help guys, i'm off to class..probably be back later with more questions
[08:59] <tripFantastic> yw
[08:59] <tripFantastic> ok my turn
[08:59] <tripFantastic> i forgot the prob
[08:59] <macavity> corte: you can grep the fortune cookie database for esoteric languages.. there are quite a few :P
[08:59] <corte> k :)
[08:59] <tripFantastic> oh on seamonkey;
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[09:00] <macavity> disclaimer: i have never even seen the wet ape on my screen :P
[09:00] <tripFantastic> libflash; i have thelatest version but i need to determine its (neither have i) of the libflash file
[09:00] <tripFantastic> apparently, i have multiple versions of libflash
[09:00] <tripFantastic> i'd rather not have to tear it all down and start over
[09:00] <macavity> clear them out and grap the latest build from SBo
[09:01] <tripFantastic> that's resort tho
[09:01] <tripFantastic> no other easier way?
[09:02] <macavity> since it is proprietary software, and Adobe seems intent on not following regular versioning practices it is going to be hard
[09:02] <tripFantastic> yea; ok
[09:02] <macavity> the linkname doesnt even change when a new version is out
[09:02] <tripFantastic> btw, 3mile island nuke plant had an incident
[09:02] <macavity> we determine by md5sum if it was the same version as last time :P
[09:03] <tripFantastic> yea; i know; i install to a src/dir-ver usually, but this lib is a stray that i dint do that to
[09:03] <tripFantastic> oh yea, i could md5 it
[09:03] <tripFantastic> k
[09:03] <tripFantastic> ok ty
[09:03] <tripFantastic> i'll bitch to macromed about filenames
[09:03] <tripFantastic> send a bitch to
[09:03] <tripFantastic> heh
[09:04] <tripFantastic> macavity how ya doin?
[09:06] <macavity> im good :P
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[09:07] <tripFantastic> good
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[09:09] <The-Croupier> my colleagues are bitching behind my back all the time...:( i dont even speak to anyone, never said anything to anyone or about anyone...always smile and mind my business.... :( damn i hate stupid people ... i get on well with computers that are supposed to be stupid.. imagine that...
[09:09] <The-Croupier> oops wrong term :9
[09:09] <The-Croupier> sorry guys
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[09:10] <Kaapa> heh
[09:10] <Kaapa> want a shotgun?
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[09:11] <The-Croupier> Kaapa: did you forget i got a katana as present from my ju-jitsu martial arts ;)
[09:12] <Kaapa> then problem solved
[09:13] <macavity> The-Croupier: that is called paranoia ;-)
[09:13] <The-Croupier> macavity: what is that?
[09:14] <macavity> The-Croupier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia
[09:14] <Kaapa> hehe
[09:14] <Kaapa> that also
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[09:15] <The-Croupier> macavity: paranoia is a greek word :p i know what it means im greek :p
[09:15] <The-Croupier> what is called paranoia in this case i dont understand
[09:16] <macavity> that you think your colleagues are back stabbing you all the time
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[09:17] <tripFantastic> lol The-Croupier
[09:17] <macavity> and even if they are, you are powerless over other peoples thoughts and ideas, so you might as well just let go of it and not think about it :P
[09:17] <The-Croupier> macavity: i know..i dont think
[09:18] <tripFantastic> well, you could wear a silver plate on your back?
[09:18] <macavity> anyhow.. enough Dr. Phil for today :P
[09:18] <The-Croupier> ill get some garlic...they say keeps the bad mouthing away in my village at least believe so ;)
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[09:18] <tripFantastic> heh
[09:18] <ROKO__> hello
[09:18] <macavity> hello
[09:19] <The-Croupier> macavity: i dont care... ;)  if they are talking about me...something is wrong with them not me... i dont mind ;)
[09:19] <macavity> good
[09:19] <tripFantastic> sure; dont forget to break the individual garlic pieces so the oil and odor dissipates publically.
[09:19] <The-Croupier> macavity: thanks though for the dr.phil ;)
[09:19] <The-Croupier> tripFantastic: i appreciate that you know of such things ;)
[09:19] <tripFantastic> heh
[09:19] <tripFantastic> yw
[09:19] <ROKO__> slackware+emerde howto ???
[09:19] <tripFantastic> i lub garlic
[09:19] <tripFantastic> google/linux
[09:19] <macavity> ROKO__: emerde?
[09:20] <macavity> emerge?
[09:20] <tripFantastic> a pkgmgr
[09:20] <tripFantastic> merde iirc
[09:20] <ROKO__> ^_^
[09:20] <ROKO__> emerde - for other distros
[09:20] <ROKO__> ^_^
[09:20] <macavity> no go.. use slackpkg :P
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[09:20] <ROKO__> slackpkg with one mirror
[09:20] <macavity> and slackbuilds.org and its frontend sbopkg
[09:20] <ROKO__> ?
[09:21] <ROKO__> Linux Slackware 2.6.31-ExtremeBG #1 SMP Mon Nov 23 08:20:42 EET 2009 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4000+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
[09:21] <tripFantastic> oh oh
[09:21] <macavity> this is not debian/gentoo/fedora.. we frawn upon packge promiscuity
[09:21] <ROKO__> :>
[09:21] <ROKO__> Linux Gentoo.extremebg.co.cc 2.6.32-rc8-ExtremeBG #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Nov 21 17:44:56 EET 2009 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
[09:21] <alisonken1noc> frawn?
[09:21] <tripFantastic> mplayer isnt workin; 10meg free ram
[09:21] <ROKO__> debian mega sux
[09:21] <macavity> "actively dislike"
[09:21] <ROKO__> :>
[09:21] <ROKO__> slackware better
[09:22] <tripFantastic> macavity lol prmomiscuity
[09:22] <thrice`> ROKO__, why not run slackware 64-bit too?
[09:22] <ROKO__> thrice`:
[09:22] <macavity> sbopkg if you need source builds
[09:22] <ROKO__> problem with lib32
[09:22] <ROKO__> and very small package db
[09:23] <pprkut> package db?
[09:23] <macavity> anyhow.. i need a nap
[09:23] <ROKO__> /var/db/pkg
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[09:24] <pprkut> ROKO__: what's that?
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[09:25] <ROKO__> oh my god ...
[09:25] <ROKO__> from package manager
[09:25] <pprkut> Oo
[09:25] <ROKO__> slackpkg / slapt-get / swaret /
[09:26] <sahk0> yeah 5 package managers are better than 1 :)
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[09:26] <ROKO__> portage is best
[09:26] <init[0]> :P
[09:26] <pprkut> never heard of /var/db/pkg before
[09:26] <thrice`> then use gentoo
[09:27] <ROKO__> Linux Gentoo.extremebg.co.cc 2.6.32-rc8-ExtremeBG #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Nov 21 17:44:56 EET 2009 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
[09:27] <ROKO__> i use gentoo
[09:27] <ROKO__> :>
[09:27] <ROKO__> but have and slackware from small machine
[09:27] <init[0]>  /var/log/packages/ <-ROKO__
[09:27] <ROKO__> ;p
[09:27] <thrice`> why do you keep pasting that?
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[09:27] <ROKO__> init[0]: :>
[09:28] <slava_dp> ROKO__, this is not #flood.
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[09:39] <The-Croupier> what on earth... there is a #flood channel ? what do people do there...damn... people have to much free time ;)
[09:39] <Camarade_Tux> I can't seem to get X (slackware 12.2) to use a 'gb' keyboard map automatically, I put "gb" for XkbLayout but it doesn't work and still uses an us keymap, what should I put there?
[09:40] <ananke> The-Croupier: it's meant to provide means for copy & paste
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[09:41] <init[0]> ananke: kinda pastebin ?
[09:42] <ananke> init[0]: yep
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[09:44] <Zordrak> i wish to renew my membership to the "Solaris can go fork itself" club
[09:45] <init[0]> Zordrak: :P,who is stopping you :D
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[09:45] <Zordrak> no-one.. but its membership renewal requires a public verbal declaration :)
[09:45] <thrice`> people should simply quit using solaris and let it die in peace :>
[09:46] <Zordrak> thrice`: youve never said a truer sentence!
[09:46] <rk4n3> poor Solaris ... <sniff>
[09:46] <sahk0> now that you mention it i requested a free cd from them. havent used it yet
[09:47] <sahk0> their packaging stuff looks awful though
[09:47] <Zordrak> i had to truss the inetd daemon just to figure out that NIS was broken because Solaris 9 (no dtrace of course) cant handle shadow passwd files in NIS unless its a Sun NIS server that combines passwd and shadow during the response on the server side
[09:48] <Zordrak> of course i htad no idea about this when i migrated the nis server from solaris 7 to snlackware
[09:48] <Zordrak> but then they *do* support it in Solaris 10
[09:48] <Zordrak> even though they frigging invented NIS(!)
[09:49] <Zordrak> Solaris is an evil rectal polip on the anus of technology.
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[09:53] <Scuzz> good morning everyone
[09:53] <hitest> morning
[09:54] <nachox> Zordrak, perhaps you should stop blaming the software and start blaming yourself for not properly planning your updates or reading the documentation
[09:56] <Zordrak> nachox: There's only so much planning you can do around inherited legacy systems, and it seems this isn't widely known as i have been working with ops in #solaris on it all day, albeit from a diffirint starting point.
[09:57] <Zordrak> *different
[09:57] <nachox> you were migrating a NIS server from a solaris to a slackware and you were asking in #solaris whether you'd have problems?
[09:58] <Zordrak> Also, my views toward solaris are not just based in a few problems.. i have spent a great deal of time working with solaris in different environments and continually finding it a painful experience.
[09:58] <Zordrak> nachox: no.. the migration happened some time ago and happened successfully
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[09:58] <Zordrak> nachox: TODAY's problem lay undiscovered for some time
[09:59] <nachox> it clearly didnt as your shadow information had not been migrated
[09:59] <Zordrak> nachox: the symptom being simply that NIS users could not l/ogin to a Solaris 9 bxo
[09:59] <Zordrak> *box
[09:59] <initself> anyone have a guide to running an rc.d script as non-root?
[09:59] <thrice`> initself, that may be impossible
[09:59] <Zordrak> nachox: the shadow information was migrated perfectly.... most of the NIS clients support shadow NIS information
[09:59] <thrice`> you can change user from within the init script, possibly
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[10:00] <pprkut> initself: why would you want to do that?
[10:00] <nachox> initself, there is no such thing, you ought to use su inside the init script
[10:00] <initself> thrice`: i can't use sudo?
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[10:00] <slava_dp> initself, su - user command
[10:00] <Zordrak> including the Solaris 10 server.. but there are two solaris 9 boxes that dont and they were not being actively used by NIS users
[10:00] <initself> i'm trying to use su but it's not working as expected.
[10:03] <The-Croupier> have a good one guys ;) seeya soon ;)
[10:03] <Scuzz> ciao The-Croupier
[10:03] <slava_dp> The-Croupier, good luck
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[10:04] <initself> slava_dp: i just keep getting stuck at the bash prompt with su -
[10:04] <nachox> Zordrak, in any case, you should have asked here instead. solaris administrators manage solaris servers
[10:04] <initself> i'm gonna try running as root at startup and see if that's ok
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[10:04] <init[0]> initself: su -c ?
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[10:06] <slava_dp> su - user -c program
[10:06] <Zordrak> nachox: The problem was an authentication problem on a Solaris 9 server. The problem is not with the Slackware server. Having completed the investigation it is clear the problem is simply that the OS is too old for the environment.. and that the problem had been masked in the past by the way Solaris 7 implemented NIS maps.. but the problem is and was a Solaris problem with a Solaris 9 server.
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[10:06] <initself> ya, -c!
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[10:06] <initself> init[0]++
[10:07] <initself> slava_dp++
[10:07] <nachox> Zordrak, be that as it may, a solaris nis server would have worked, solaris administrators would not have known about this because they tend not to use linux
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[10:08] <init[0]> initself: i seems we are related :P
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[10:08] <Zordrak> nachox: A solaris 10 nis server, with the same map implementation would have had the same problem
[10:09] <Scuzz> init[1], just a question for you , how was he unable to use just su ?
[10:09] <nachox> have you tried? i think the creation of the maps in solaris takes care of this, solaris does not even ask for shadow information
[10:09] <initself> init[1]: indeed!  you take priority over me, however.
[10:10] <init[1]> Scuzz: his problem was not _su_ he was trying to run a program along with su
[10:10] <initself> correct
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[10:10] <Scuzz> oh i see thanks for clearing that up
[10:10] <init[1]> ;)
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[10:12] <Matthew_Murdock> hi, i am trying to install Slackware Security Advisories (i have Slackware 13, 64bit) but i can't download package ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware64-13.0/patches/packages/seamonkey-solibs-1.1.18-x86_64-1.txz
[10:12] <sahk0> use a mirror
[10:12] <slava_dp> Matthew_Murdock, slackpkg update
[10:12] <slava_dp> Matthew_Murdock, slackpkg upgrade-all
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[10:12] <Zordrak> nachox: nis is a funky animal cause it pretty much does whatever you tell the makefile to do, but nonetheless i dont quite see what you're getting at. I had a problem. I worked with people in solaris for pointers in debugging on the solaris client.. after narrowing the possible regions of failure, i found the cause with truss, got confirmation and resolved the problem.. now i return to my home channel and take a break.. albeit with a quick sideswipe
[10:13] <slava_dp> Matthew_Murdock, that file is no more, since seamonkey 2.0 got released
[10:13] <Zordrak> and felt a whole lot better to get some agreement :) thrice`++
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[10:14] <nachox> Zordrak, people in here would have told you what the problem was. I know i would have because i had the same problem about a year ago. This lead me to 2 conclusions, shadow information and nis do not get along and nis should not be used in a production environment
[10:15] <Matthew_Murdock> slava_dp: thanks
[10:16] <slava_dp> Matthew_Murdock, welcome :)
[10:17] <Zordrak> I agree with both.. but now i understand what you're getting at.. you had the same problem and perhaps other slackers might too. Its not the type of thing i expect too many people to come across. The reason i started with #solaris is purely that the problem started out as a purely solaris issue. It wasnt intil about 12pm that we narrowed it down to the way solaris was loading nis users.. and only then after trussing inetd did i discover it was relat
[10:18] <Zordrak> If i had hit this issue in june.. i probably would have stopped off here first :)
[10:18] <nachox> Zordrak, :)
[10:19] <Zordrak> but i still hate solaris :D
[10:19] <nachox> nonsense
[10:19] <nachox> properly deployed it's a breze to maintain
[10:19] <Zordrak> pah
[10:19] <nachox> as is aix for that matter i'm begining to see
[10:20] <nachox> aixpert is cool
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[10:22] <Zordrak> perhaps the biggest problem is that solaris is such a complex PITA that ive never encountered what you might call a "properly deployed" setup... when i inherit it its always suck a bloody mess. :: ie in this case ive inherited a mix of Solaris7-10, mostly configured with GNU binaries stored in a home directory somewhere then added to the PATH.. with no SSH, trust-all rhosts and telnet enabled, but with only root login allowed via telnet and normal u
[10:22] <Zordrak> and thats just the start(!)
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[10:23] <Rik316> hey people
[10:23] <jg71> hey user
[10:24] <Rik316> I'm trying to setup my webcam on salck
[10:24] <Rik316> slack*
[10:24] <Rik316> i read some articles online about finding the right drivers or whatever
[10:24] <slava_dp> Rik316, and that's why you're in a misery? :)
[10:25] <Rik316> but I didn't find anything that was for my webcam
[10:25] <Rik316> under lsusb, it shows up as Bus 005 Device 003: ID 0ac8:0302 Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. ZC0302 Webcam
[10:25] <slava_dp> Rik316, what kind of webcam?
[10:25] <Rik316> pleomax
[10:25] <Rik316> hmm samsung
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[10:27] <Matthew_Murdock> Rik316: have you tried this http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html
[10:28] <Rik316> awesome :D
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[10:30] <nachox> Zordrak, ah, lovely, if you get to redeploy that crap, do not use the gnu binaries, use jass to secure it and kerberos + ldap to mantain the user database. use secure by default if you're running a version of solaris 10 that has it, remove all the trust relationships and disable all the rservices and telnet if you can
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[10:31] <Zordrak> nachox: i have a simpler solution.. Sun is all but eradicated from this network. Its all being/been moved to slack and is saving in excess of £60,000 p.a.
[10:31] <thrice`> :D
[10:32] <Zordrak> err sorry
[10:32] <Zordrak> thats not 60
[10:32] <Rik316> matthew: I have the package, and the install folder contains a doinst.sh
[10:32] <ananke> speaking of ldap on solaris, can you do that with solaris9?
[10:32] <Zordrak> thats about £12,000 p.a.
[10:32] <nachox> yes, you can
[10:32] <Zordrak> £60,000 / 5 years
[10:32] <nachox> in fact the nis to ldap migration guide is based on solaris 9
[10:33] <Rik316> When i try to run doinst.sh, it keeps saying permission denied?
[10:33] <ananke> nachox: hmm, i think i may have to do it sooner than later
[10:33] <Zordrak> nachox: it is a shame that PAM is the only way to do ldap auth the way ldap expects auth to be done under linux.. otherwise i would already be migrating nis to ldap
[10:34] Action: ananke is removing few of his slack boxes from nis this morning
[10:34] <Rik316> i chmod'd it and it apparently run
[10:34] <Zordrak> for the moment, NIS is living alongside LDAP reasonably well
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[10:34] <jg71> slackie onassis?
[10:34] <nachox> you can do ldap in slackware, you cant use it in its full capacity though
[10:34] <Zordrak> unfortunately i have to maintain separate userDBs for them
[10:35] <nachox> Zordrak, padl has a nis to ldap thingie
[10:35] <slackie> i dont think so :-)
[10:35] <Zordrak> nachox: well indeed.. my blog has a post outlining the three primary methods...
[10:35] <jg71> scnr, slackie, im dizzy. someone mentioned PAM
[10:35] <Zordrak> nachox: but none of them are thoroughly desirable
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[10:35] <Matthew_Murdock> Rik316: this driver helped me a long time ago. are you sure that your web cam doesn't work?
[10:35] <nachox> Zordrak, i do not think you can do ldap + kerberos though
[10:35] <nachox> that is a pitty
[10:36] <Rik316> well it doesnt show up under devices in kopete
[10:37] <Zordrak> screw kerberos :) technically i could do the nss_ldap route.. except that the LDAP server is still AD at the moment.. so itd be ashitload harder to do the whole storing the hashes in uid entry thing for nss_ldap auth
[10:37] <Zordrak> would be easier with OpenLDAP which i hope to migrate to in the future
[10:37] <spook> ldap is awesome.
[10:37] <Matthew_Murdock> Rik316: Have you tried skype? I didn't install any drivers, but my webcam worked in skype
[10:37] <Zordrak> nachox: as much as i hate to say it.. because i am no friend of PAM *at all* it would make my life easier for pat to relent and add PAM in
[10:37] <Rik316> I'll try it now
[10:38] <nachox> Zordrak, i actually really like pam
[10:39] <Zordrak> I dislike it in general.. but in the absence of any alternative that could do the same thing.. i think its a necessity.
[10:39] <Zordrak> I just dont think we'll ever persuade Pat :/
[10:39] <spook> what has pat said on the issue?
[10:40] <nachox> hr guys should die a painful death
[10:40] <Zordrak> I havent heard anything recently
[10:40] <Zordrak> nachox: ++
[10:40] <Zordrak> spook: all i remember is some paraphrased "never ever" statement
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[10:40] <nachox> i asked him a while ago
[10:40] <thrice`> he was against it maybe 3 years ago, when it had some security issues
[10:40] <Zordrak> orite?
[10:41] <nachox> he said he simply didnt see any need
[10:41] <Zordrak> nachox: did you say: "here be thy need"?
[10:41] <guax> any better way for seeing dd progress then kill -usr1?
[10:41] <spook> so if someone did all of the word for him, similar to alienbob and slackware64...?
[10:41] <spook> s/word/work/
[10:42] <nachox> Zordrak, i told him that not having pam was hindeing security these days, because without pam, you cannot properly implement auditing policies or SELinux
[10:42] <Zordrak> guax: i believe that was added so that there was *a* way.. i dont think theres another
[10:42] <Matthew_Murdock> Rik316: I found this folder /lib/modules/2.6.29.6/kernel/drivers/media/video/gspca with something that i think are drivers for webcam :) so, you may try lsmod and see if there are some module installed when you plug in your webcam
[10:42] <Zordrak> ew ew ew
[10:42] <Zordrak> no love for SELinux
[10:42] <spook> Zordrak: i second that motion.
[10:42] <Zordrak> it feels to much like Solaris roles ;)
[10:42] <nachox> just leave it's configuration by default, it'll protect *some* things
[10:42] <guax> my dd just show the in and out records, not the "human readable" results, im assumin my 80gb disk has to have 80 million records
[10:43] <Rik316> gspca_zc3xx            50688  0
[10:43] <Rik316> gspca_main             23808  1 gspca_zc3xx
[10:43] <Rik316> videodev               36736  1 gspca_main
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[10:43] <Rik316> v4l1_compat            17924  1 videodev
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[10:43] <guax> headshot
[10:43] <spook> guax: math fail?
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[10:43] <guax> spook, i beleave so
[10:43] <nachox> Zordrak, they have NOTHING in common. And when you get to implement sap in something without solaris RBAC or AIX RBAC you'll remeber this conversation and cry
[10:43] <Matthew_Murdock> Rik316: so, I think that you have the drivers, but i am no expert :)
[10:43] <Zordrak> Has anyone tried Pat on the LDAP angle? Assuming he still sees no need on the security angle?
[10:43] <Zordrak> nachox: SAP ftl anyway
[10:44] <spook> guax: 80 million = 80mb, unless you are using bs=1K
[10:44] <guax> i dont remember to specify it =P
[10:44] <tuxdev> PAM also has an unfortunate terrible history of security vulnerabilities
[10:44] <Zordrak> I think i might fire off a mail and just see if he's prepared to reply
[10:45] <thrice`> I haven't seen a PAM security advisory in quite some time
[10:45] <thrice`> not that I look for them, but
[10:45] <Zordrak> no guarantee he will as i reckon hes fended off a fair few pam mails... but at least if i put it to him on the ldap angle he might have another think
[10:46] <Zordrak> if nothing more
[10:46] <spook> things like policykit are going to need pam anyway, right?
[10:46] <Zordrak> so much crap does nowadays
[10:46] <nachox> firefox is bug ridden and we still use it
[10:46] <Zordrak> ie theres a liitle-used GUI for pacemaker.. its the only one. but it wont compile without PAM
[10:47] <Matthew_Murdock> Rik316: did skype work?
[10:47] <tuxdev> I'm hoping to replace FF with dillo ASAP
[10:47] <Rik316> keeps telling me theres another instance running
[10:47] <Rik316> when theres clearly not
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[10:47] <thrice`> according to whom, you ?
[10:47] <Zordrak> now to pick a snubject line he wont auntomagically ignore :)
[10:48] <spook> Zordrak: WHY DOESNT SLACKWARE HAVE PAM YET
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[10:48] <Zordrak> lol
[10:48] <Rik316> i did a ps ax | grep skype
[10:48] <Rik316> only two items returned
[10:48] <Zordrak> not quite what i was going for.. but a good fall-back
[10:48] <thrice`> plz2have pam
[10:48] <Rik316> one was the grep and one was the actual skype
[10:49] <SpacePlod> guax: use dc3dd (in slackbuilds) - it has a progress meter
[10:49] <thrice`> scrolling up, you haven't yet explained what you are trying to do
[10:49] <thrice`> SpacePlod, in slackware*
[10:49] <SpacePlod> or thrice` RIGHT
[10:49] <thrice`> k
[10:49] <SpacePlod> *right.  I forgot it was moved in.
[10:50] <spook> italian spiderman is funny.
[10:50] <guax> SpacePlod, already in the middle of a 80gb dd. let it takes the time it have to =P
[10:50] <Matthew_Murdock> Rik316: so, if i understand you can't start skype, right?
[10:50] <Rik316> it starts
[10:50] <Rik316> but i cant sign in
[10:50] <Rik316> another skype instance may exist
[10:51] <SpacePlod> okay, so switch to another term and do "watch ls -lh /output"
[10:51] <SpacePlod> you can watch the output grow.
[10:51] <Matthew_Murdock> Rik316: did you try to kill that instance of skype?
[10:52] <Rik316> yes
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[10:52] <Matthew_Murdock> Rik316: And?
[10:52] <Rik316> i tried again, and still gives me the same message
[10:52] <Rik316> with two separate accounts
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[10:53] <Matthew_Murdock> Rik316: Did you kill it? :)
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[10:53] <Rik316> yup
[10:54] <Rik316> weird
[10:54] <Rik316> i ran it as root and it worked
[10:54] <Rik316> success
[10:55] <Rik316> ok partial success
[10:55] <Rik316> when i test the webcam in skype
[10:55] <Rik316> the light on my cam turns on
[10:55] <Matthew_Murdock> Rik316: maybe you did't install it properly
[10:55] <Zordrak> Rik316: the Carriage Return is not a punctuation mark.
[10:55] <Rik316> but the image im seeing is like the staticy thing you see on your tv
[10:55] <Rik316> Zordrak: soz <3
[10:55] <ananke> nachox: you don't happen to have google wave account with invites, do you? :)
[10:56] <nachox> ananke, nope, but i want one too
[10:56] <nachox> ananke, damn google and their invite policies, the same thing happened with gail
[10:56] <nachox> *gmail
[10:57] <ananke> nachox: yep
[10:57] <spook> Zordrak: ++
[10:57] <thrice`> I might have some, let me check
[10:57] <spook> you guys want wave invites? i might have somet oo
[10:57] <nachox> interesting
[10:58] <spook> i have 8
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[10:58] <thrice`> hm, guess I don't
[10:58] <spook> pm me your email address if you would like one.
[10:58] <ananke> spook: that would be great. we have a few work groups who are interested in seeing what wave will do for them. with a single account i could get them invites
[10:59] <thrice`> I've not yet received invites, and have had an account for 3 weeks or so
[10:59] <nachox> spook, you dont happen to have another one, do you? :)
[10:59] <spook> nachox: i have 6 left.   also, Invitations will not be sent immediately. We have a lot of stamps to lick.
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[11:01] <Matthew_Murdock> Rik316: i give up, sorry... i only knew the driver page, but i am no expert on this topic :(
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[11:03] <Matthew_Murdock> Rik316: but i think that you don't need drivers. maybe try this http://linux.bytesex.org/xawtv/ . this is a program for tv, but i tested it to see if my webcam works with some option that i don't remember now but you can play with this
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[11:06] <ananke> spook: got it, thank you
[11:07] <spook> nachox: don't you want one?
[11:08] <Matthew_Murdock> Rik316: i tested it with somethink like "xawtv -c /dev/video0" good luck!
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[11:12] <Kidpunkx\> lol I cant find slackware live cd on the site
[11:12] <spook> Kidpunkx\: lol there isnt one
[11:12] <Zordrak> Kidpunkx\: uh.. there isnt one
[11:12] <Pig_Pen> [[[##slackware] [[
[11:13] <Pig_Pen> wiping dust off my keyboard did that
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[11:13] <Zordrak> spook: want a cc on this mail?
[11:13] <Kidpunkx\> I thought every distro had one
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[11:13] <spook> Zordrak: yes please :D
[11:13] <Zordrak> Kidpunkx\: you fail. congrats.
[11:13] <Karuna> meh, the ***buntu flock
[11:13] <Kidpunkx\> lol thats just rude
[11:13] <spook> Kidpunkx\: you mean ubuntu and mandriva have them.
[11:13] <spook> thats about it.
[11:14] <Karuna> slax have live cd
[11:14] <spook> Karuna: actually it is correct to just call it ubuntu, kubuntu etc are just a repackaging of ubuntu with different sets of packages.
[11:14] <Kidpunkx\> I dont intend to fix up my kernel with inserting my slackware 13.0 and typing root
[11:14] <spook> Karuna: slax IS a live cd
[11:14] <Kidpunkx\> tere isnt gui
[11:15] <Karuna> spook: i used to use usb stick
[11:15] <spook> Kidpunkx\: then slackware is very clearly not the correct choice for you with that attitude.
[11:15] <Kidpunkx\> spook is slx like a different verison of slckware
[11:15] <spook> Kidpunkx\: no, slax is not a different version of slackware.
[11:15] <Karuna> Kidpunx\: different distro
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[11:16] <Kidpunkx\> hey hey hey I love my slackware :-P I love it like its my own personal child
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[11:16] <spook> Kidpunkx\: oh yes its very clear that is the case
[11:17] <Kidpunkx\> spook ever sinmce I moved to slackware it's the only distro that fits me, well its hard but i guess wthats how everything is in life
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[11:18] <Karuna> Kidpunkx\: can u use shell?
[11:18] <Pig_Pen> slackware is not hard, you just need to become familiar with it
[11:19] <Kidpunkx\> Pig_Pen I didint mean to say its hard, its like everyday i learn sometihng new with it
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[11:19] <Kidpunkx\> Karuna I just insert the cd and type root, and mounted my hd
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[11:20] <Kidpunkx\> so I'm at /mnt/hda/usr/src/linux
[11:20] <Karuna> why don't you use vanilla kernel package?
[11:20] <Kidpunkx\> suffering from kernel panic from enabling my HT
[11:21] <spook> Karuna: because clearly that would be too easy
[11:22] <Kidpunkx\> I dont like packages becasuse I just dont learn anything by using packages
[11:22] <Karuna> meh, so edit the config by using butterfly then
[11:22] <Kidpunkx\> with a little of the slackbook and #slackware might do thetrick
[11:23] <Karuna> if the priority is to make it work, use vanilla kernel package
[11:23] <Karuna> i bet you forgat to make initrd?
[11:24] <Karuna> ok, punk, try to chroot to the mounted slackware and mkinitrd
[11:25] <spook> Kidpunkx\: oh yes, those pesky packages, always making our life too easy.  i absolutely hate how much simpler and less messy my system is when i use packages
[11:26] <Karuna> and punk, don't forget to update the bootloader
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[11:27] <Kidpunkx\> Karuna Karuna that might be the issue to make initrd lol how would i make it
[11:27] <Pig_Pen> initrd = /boot/initrd.img  (or something like that)
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[11:27] <Kidpunkx\> Karuna okay let me
[11:28] <Karuna> mkinit<tab>
[11:28] <Karuna> first chroot /path/to/mounted/slackware
[11:28] <Karuna> then as root on /boot mkinit<tab>
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[11:29] <g4tt0> bye
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[11:32] <Kidpunkx\> jesus! I hope you're an expert I have README.initrd@ but I don't see initrd.img anywear
[11:32] <alisonken1noc> mkinitrd creates it
[11:32] <spook> heh.
[11:32] Action: Zordrak needs to clean up. 20 irssi windows is too many
[11:32] <Karuna> sh*t, i'm guiding linux from windows machine, so follow my step punk. mkinit<tab>
[11:33] <spook> mkinitrd
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[11:33] <Kidpunkx\> Karuna rememeber I'm booting through slackware 13.0 I cant use <tab> have to be more precise location
[11:34] <Kidpunkx\> I'm at /mnt/hda/boot#
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[11:34] <Kidpunkx\> more like root@slackware:/mnt/hda/boot#
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[11:34] <Karuna> ok, after you make initrd.img, don't forget to update the bootloader
[11:35] <spook> README.initrd   end of story
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[11:36] <Karuna> update the bootloader configuration, and set it with your compiled kernel and initrd
[11:36] <spook> http://yourfavouriteslackwaremirror/slackware-13.0/README.initrd
[11:36] <Kidpunkx\> spook good ideal let me check or crap wait well actually I'll use yucky vim
[11:36] <Zordrak> Kidpunkx\: fail #2. Vim != yucky.
[11:36] <spook> Karuna: if hes unwilling to read a very well written readme that explains step by step what he needs to do, you are wasting your time.
[11:36] <Kidpunkx\> Zordrak lol
[11:37] <Kidpunkx\> spook shut up fool I'm reading it and by the way site don't work
[11:38] <init[1]> o_O
[11:38] <Scuzz> o0o
[11:38] <Karuna> =))
[11:38] <init[1]> Kidpunkx\: that was meant to be subtituted
[11:38] <spook> i think i just proved my point that you're seriously wasting your time.
[11:39] <Karuna> vim esc :wq (write and quit) or esc :q! (quit)
[11:40] <Karuna> i for insert
[11:42] <Kidpunkx\> wtf.. vi README.initrd it's blank! so start from scratch?
[11:42] <init[1]>  /boot/README.initrd <- ?
[11:42] <init[1]>  if you are on SW^
[11:42] <Kidpunkx\> init[1] yeah
[11:42] Action: spook laughs
[11:43] <Karuna> omfg =))
[11:43] <Kidpunkx\> spook I tihnk youre right
[11:43] <Karuna> now i can't sleep
[11:43] <spook> Kidpunkx\: hmmm?
[11:44] <Kidpunkx\> you guys suggest to start at new by format and install 13.0 right!
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[11:44] <Karuna> no punk, the readme should show guides
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[11:44] <Karuna> but the initrd file should be on /boot/initrd.img or something
[11:44] <Kidpunkx\> Karuna there is notihng written there when i open it
[11:45] <Karuna> if the readme is blank, you definitely screw it using ve
[11:45] <gerrh> Kidpunkx\, are you trying to read the file as a regular user or root?
[11:45] Action: spook laughs even more
[11:45] <Karuna> vi
[11:45] <Kidpunkx\> root
[11:45] <Kidpunkx\> damn
[11:45] <gerrh> then you're looking in the wrong place or you have nerfed the file somewhere along the way
[11:46] <Karuna> now, try find a mirror, and browse until you see the readme
[11:46] <init[1]> Kidpunkx\: ls -l /boot/ | grep README does it show smthing ?
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[11:46] <Karuna> i sense that he destroy the content using vi
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[11:47] <Karuna> now, just copy the kernel package from cd to the chrooted env, and extract it
[11:47] <Karuna> is it on base or kernel?
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[11:47] <Kidpunkx\> weird
[11:47] <Kidpunkx\> nothing at all
[11:48] <Kidpunkx\> Karuna I tihnky oure right
[11:48] <init[1]> did you find smthing?
[11:48] <Kidpunkx\> VI seems too strict forward
[11:48] <Kidpunkx\> init[1] nope
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[11:48] <Karuna> btw, you are on chrooted env right?
[11:49] <Karuna> or you are on cd?
[11:49] <Kidpunkx\> cd
[11:49] <Kidpunkx\> I would have to mount cd rom
[11:49] Action: Karuna bang the head to the keyboard
[11:49] <gerrh> lol
[11:49] <Karuna> like i said punk
[11:50] <Karuna> chroot /path/to/the/mounted/path
[11:50] <Kidpunkx\> ok
[11:50] <Karuna> congratulations, now you are on your machine
[11:51] Action: Karuna pray even he is atheist
[11:51] <gerrh> \o/
[11:51] <gerrh> .o.
[11:51] <Karuna> now, after you are on chrooted env
[11:51] <Karuna> cd /boot
[11:51] <Karuna> and look at README.initrd
[11:51] <Karuna> see something there
[11:51] <Karuna> ?
[11:52] <Kidpunkx\> wait hold on
[11:53] <init[1]> Kidpunkx\: time up
[11:53] <gerrh> ^^
[11:54] <Kidpunkx\> cant chroot /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda
[11:54] <init[1]> omg!
[11:54] <gerrh> o_O
[11:54] <gerrh> chroot /mnt/hda
[11:54] <Karuna> shit, even i'm on windows right now
[11:54] <init[1]> Kidpunkx\: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda
[11:54] <Kidpunkx\> init[1] i did that
[11:54] <init[1]> Kidpunkx\: chroot /mnt/hda
[11:54] <Kidpunkx\> oops
[11:54] <Zordrak> stop
[11:54] <gerrh> www.slackbook.org
[11:54] <Kidpunkx\> sorry]
[11:55] <Kidpunkx\> lol i diditn have to added /dev
[11:55] Action: Kidpunkx\ bangs head against his laptop
[11:55] <Zordrak> Kidpunkx\: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/09/29/re-installing-lilo-from-a-slackware-boot-cd/
[11:55] <Karuna> ok, now you have chrooted *right* ?
[11:56] Action: gerrh applauds gleefully.
[11:56] <Kidpunkx\> will someone volunteer to smash my head against the wall
[11:56] <Kidpunkx\> yeah that was succesful
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[11:56] <Karuna> cd /boot
[11:56] <Karuna> ls -l |grep README
[11:56] <Kidpunkx\> ok
[11:57] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[11:57] <init[1]> Kidpunkx\: did you see smthing?
[11:57] <Karuna> less README.initrd
[11:57] <Kidpunkx\> yea
[11:57] <Karuna> can you please tell us what it is?
[11:57] <Kidpunkx\> ok
[11:58] Action: spook continues to laugh
[11:58] <Karuna> now i spill the coffe to my keyboard
[11:59] Action: Scuzz watches Exception Handler laughing his ass off
[11:59] <Kidpunkx\> 1rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 jun 10 11:10 README.initrd -> /usr/doc/mkinitrd-1.3.2/README.initrd
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[12:00] <Karuna> less README.initrd
[12:00] <Karuna> read it
[12:00] <Kidpunkx\> ok
[12:00] <BP{k}> Oh by the infected balls of Cerberus .. it's him again.
[12:00] <Karuna> now, follow the instruction
[12:00] <Kidpunkx\> Karuna nice ok brb
[12:01] <spook> Scuzz: ^_^
[12:01] <Karuna> btw, if you want to exit, press 'q'
[12:01] <init[1]> Kidpunkx\: some some gratitude for Karuna's time :-/
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[12:02] <Kidpunkx\> what is an initrd 0.o
[12:02] <spook> BP{k}: i assume you mean the guy occupying all the channels attention
[12:02] <Kidpunkx\> interesting :P
[12:02] <Zordrak> >.<
[12:02] <init[1]> wtf!
[12:02] <Zordrak> Fail #3
[12:02] <Kidpunkx\> initial ramdisk
[12:02] <Zordrak> bye. no love.
[12:02] <spook> Zordrak: took you long enough
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[12:03] <Kidpunkx\> you all should learn something from karuna "be supportive to newbie"
[12:03] <BP{k}> spook: That, and he's being leeching support for the last couple of days.
[12:03] <BP{k}> Kidpunkx\: you should learn something ... *anything* for that matter.
[12:04] <Kidpunkx\> BP{k} yeah Linux is amazing
[12:04] <BP{k}> spook: not to mention: "[22-11-2009][05:42] ( Kidpunkx\) wow! I cant believe who ever invented slackware is an idiot I'm all using wq /etc/lilo.conf and it fosen't exist"
[12:04] <Karuna> no one dare to insult patrick himself
[12:04] <Karuna> Himself
[12:05] <spook> BP{k}: yes i already declared him a lost cause...
[12:05] <Kidpunkx\> BP{k}and your point by bringing that up maybe is frustrated for oneself you idiot
[12:05] <spook> BP{k}: 29 minutes ago exactly
[12:05] Action: init[1] i smell troll here
[12:05] <Karuna> i'm just amused such person exists
[12:06] <BP{k}> Kidpunkx\: Would you like to try that sentence in English?
[12:06] <spook> calling people names ALWAYS gets your point across of course
[12:06] <winter> well
[12:06] <Kidpunkx\> shh
[12:06] <winter> anyone here with asus m2a-mx?
[12:06] <P4C0> did I miss something?
[12:07] <winter> ok, thanks.
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[12:08] Action: rworkman lands safely and walks away.
[12:08] <nachox> damn birds...
[12:08] <gar0t0> rworkman: Hi :)
[12:08] <rworkman> gar0t0: ola! :)
[12:08] Action: Karuna once emailed by Pat Himself telling some package has been updated
[12:08] <gar0t0> rworkman: I show your name wrong on slackbuilds.org?
[12:09] Action: rworkman has gotten drunk with Pat.  I win.  :)
[12:09] <gar0t0> rworkman: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/mozilla-nss/
[12:09] <rworkman> gar0t0: haha, yeah, typo :)
[12:10] <gar0t0> rworkman: Pat is a good Drinker?
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[12:10] <nachox> rworkman, can you get pat drunk and talk him into using pam in slackware?
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[12:11] <jg71> gar0t0, wrong Q ... you gotta ask "what do i have to do to get drunk with you two?"
[12:11] <rworkman> gar0t0: fixed
[12:11] <johe> hi all
[12:11] <gar0t0> rworkman: :)
[12:11] <rworkman> gar0t0: haha, yes.  Very. :)
[12:11] <rworkman> nachox: That will be a *lot* of liquor.
[12:11] <rworkman> gar0t0 has gotten drunk with me at least.
[12:11] <johe> maybe someone could tell me how to enable wifi dhcp with wep on slackware 9.0 :-)
[12:11] <nachox> rworkman, some people in here are willing to pay a part of the alcohol
[12:11] <Pig_Pen> alcohol: the cause of and solution to all life's problems
[12:11] <Karuna> 9.0?
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[12:12] <johe> Karuna, yes, 9.0
[12:12] <jg71> not invading anyone's turf here, just getting dizzy when someone mentions pam & slackware in the very.same.sentence
[12:12] <gar0t0> rworkman: r0x :)
[12:12] Action: rworkman leaves this discussion to push an update at SBo :)
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[12:15] <johe> so anyone knows?
[12:15] <Kidpunkx\> mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.27.7 -m mbcache :jbd :ext3 -r /dev/hda1
[12:15] <init[1]> johe: any reason for 9.0 ?
[12:15] <spook> johe: slackware 9.0 is no longer supported, i dont think anyone here has that good a memory :)
[12:16] <thrice`> why is slackware 9 not supported?
[12:16] <BP{k}> Kidpunkx\: I am still curious whatever reason you have for justifying not having upgraded your box to the latest patches just yet?
[12:16] <init[1]> Kidpunkx\: are you on 13? i don't think so
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[12:16] <thrice`> Kidpunkx\, no spaces
[12:16] <johe> the reason is that its an old toshiba p4000 and i must say 9.0 runs very good, but wifi must work
[12:16] <P4C0> johe: take a look to /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 and then to wpasupplicant
[12:16] <P4C0> johe: sorry rc.inet1.conf
[12:17] <BP{k}> init[1]: he's on 12.2 .. with the orginal kernel. not the one that actually got released in patches/packages/
[12:17] <johe> P4C0, thx
[12:17] <Kidpunkx\> BP{k} it is not always neccessary to upgrade on linux only if you have a reason well that's what some experts tell me
[12:17] <spook> thrice`: because pat no longer releases patches for it?
[12:17] <init[1]> BP{k}: ah!
[12:17] <thrice`> spook, says who, you?
[12:18] <init[1]> Kidpunkx\: give me 1 min on you box i will root it :P
[12:18] <thrice`> http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-9.0/ChangeLog.txt    indicates differently
[12:18] <thrice`> http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-8.1/ChangeLog.txt
[12:18] <thrice`> there's 8.1 also
[12:18] <P4C0> johe: wpasupplicant should be on slackware 9, but not 100% sure... (bad memory), but the thing is you configure /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and then you tell rc.inet1 to use it configuring rc.inet1.conf
[12:19] <spook> thrice`: i stand very much corrected, i was just going by slackware-security emails
[12:19] <johe> okay, i take a look
[12:19] <johe> P4C0, no wpa
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[12:21] <nachox> ananke, i have something that'll make you very happy i think
[12:21] <nachox> ananke, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzcyNA
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[12:22] <Kidpunkx\> weird it says when mkinitrd cat: /proc partitions: No such file or directory 2999 blocks /boot/initrd.gz created. Be sure to run lilo again if you use it
[12:23] <johe> P4C0, maybe setting it up with iwconfig could work?
[12:24] <thrice`> Kidpunkx\, are you in a chroot env. ?
[12:24] <Kidpunkx\> yeah
[12:24] <P4C0> johe: should work as well, did you get my pm?
[12:24] <thrice`> Kidpunkx\, ok, you need proc mounted in there too
[12:24] <Kidpunkx\> grr
[12:24] <Kidpunkx\> ok
[12:24] <thrice`> Kidpunkx\, type "exit" , and then:
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[12:25] <thrice`> mount -t proc none /mnt/proc
[12:25] <thrice`> mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev
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[12:25] <thrice`> (assuming you used /mnt) .  then, re-enter your chroot
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[12:25] <Karuna> thrice: his path is /mnt/hda1
[12:26] <thrice`> ok, use your imagination :)
[12:26] <Kidpunkx\> ok
[12:26] <Kidpunkx\> lol
[12:26] Action: nachox stabs thrice` 
[12:26] <Karuna> don't forget to add that or we'll have another 60 minutes wasted
[12:26] <thrice`>  /mnt/hda1/proc and /mnt/hda1/dev
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[12:33] <johe> when did slack changed from xfree to xorg?
[12:33] <Kidpunkx\> ok mkinitrd worked
[12:33] <Kidpunkx\> about put lilo -v
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[12:34] <rworkman> nachox: about the "limitation" they mention in that article, wouldn't /home  on a separate filesystem (which makes sense anyway) eliminate that?
[12:35] <Kidpunkx\> let me shutdown -r now
[12:35] <nachox> rworkman, yes, that's what they did in solaris with zfs and it works properly.
[12:36] <rworkman> Okay, good.
[12:36] <nachox> rworkman, cool huh?
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[12:36] <init[1]> johe: are you on time machine ?
[12:37] <rworkman> nachox: yes indeed
[12:37] <Pig_Pen> i think 9.1 was the last slack with xfree86
[12:38] <johe> init[1], not really, but i need xfree for the old toshiba, okay, maybe iam on time machine
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[12:38] <johe> :-)
[12:38] <spook> last slack with gnome too, i think
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[12:41] <despiron> i love and hate slackware you too?
[12:41] <despiron> ¶:]~~
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[12:41] <spook> sometimes i weep for the future of this channel
[12:41] <Scuzz> lol
[12:41] <despiron> yes people like me dont bring no one future
[12:41] <hitest> spook: I think 10.0 had gnome
[12:41] <despiron> ¶:D~~
[12:42] <macavity> how much of the slackware-current/ subdirs are nessecary for the slackware installer to detect it as "a slackware CD"?
[12:42] <macavity> PACKAGES.TXT and slackware/
[12:42] <macavity> ?
[12:42] <spook> macavity: you specify the package source in the installer, is that what you are refering to?
[12:43] <nachox> spook, can i import my gmail mail to wave?
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[12:43] <spook> when doing a http/ftp install, it only looks for PACKAGES.TXT
[12:43] <spook> nachox: no/not yet
[12:43] <nachox> ouch
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[12:44] <despiron> i want apt-get or yum for slack can u help me spook? HHAHAHA sry bad joke
[12:44] <BP{k}> macavity: ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-current/isolinux/README.TXT
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[12:44] <despiron> ¶:(~~
[12:44] <spook> nachox: also, if you notice, its a seperate address,  blah@googlewave....
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[12:44] <nachox> ah, i see
[12:44] <spook> BP{k}: Slackphorism #0
[12:45] <despiron> i'm bored compile everything i will use, and i want an apt-get install "aplicattion"
[12:45] <thrice`> then use debian
[12:45] <despiron> anybody can help me?
[12:45] <despiron> hahah
[12:45] <jg71> no we cannot
[12:45] <despiron> no i want it on slackware
[12:45] <thrice`> tough shit
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[12:45] <despiron> xD
[12:45] <despiron> hahahaha
[12:46] <jg71> we cannot apply spankings, sorry.
[12:46] <macavity> BP{k}: noes... i am going for USB.. i am copying all of the tree except sources/ (because it is only a 4GB).. but i was just currious about what exactly was needed to make the installer pick it up
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[12:46] <macavity> jg71: oh yes we can :-)~~
[12:46] <jeronimo1> macavity: tell me again pls name of module for Bus 001 Device 006: ID 045e:00f5 Microsoft Corp. LifeCam VX-3000. ?
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[12:46] <jeronimo1> sonix ... !??!
[12:46] <thrice`> macavity, why not use the usb stuff?
[12:46] <macavity> sonixj
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[12:46] <macavity> there are sonixj and sonixb
[12:46] <despiron> i love slack coz it, when u configure everything like u want, u got him like ur son
[12:46] <jg71> macavity, noooo .... /me shakes fist
[12:46] <jeronimo1> aha
[12:46] Nick change: rapadura_man -> gar0t0
[12:47] <despiron> u love it but before u hate
[12:47] <macavity> and from the link i gave you (that you should have bookmarked) it showed that it was sonixj
[12:48] <macavity> despiron: this is not ##ravinglolcats, please speack proper english :-P
[12:48] <jeronimo1> jeronimo1: gspca_sonixb,gspca_sonixj it is loaded but is smashed
[12:48] <jeronimo1> macavity: .. :)
[12:48] <spook> macavity: could have fooled me, lately...
[12:48] <jeronimo1> macavity: what i need to load?
[12:49] <macavity> jeronimo1: i have no freaking clue.. i just googled it for you
[12:49] <despiron> [macavity]: i'm from brazil, but my english u can understand
[12:49] <BP{k}> despiron: what has your country of origin to do with anything?
[12:50] <despiron> [BP{k}]: shut up i'm not talking with u
[12:50] <despiron> ¶:*~~
[12:50] <BP{k}> spook: indeed #0.
[12:50] <thrice`> yeah BP{k} ><:####
[12:50] <macavity> and if you talk to people like that your stay here will be short
[12:50] <macavity> but you can at least make the effort to spell out the words infull instead of sounding like some clueless msn user
[12:51] <macavity> "you" not "u" and "because" not "coz"
[12:51] <spook> macavity: i use msn u insensitive clod! lol
[12:52] <macavity> spook: yeah.. we know.. u da speeshul kit!
[12:52] <macavity> :P
[12:52] Action: spook grins idioticly
[12:52] <macavity> drool bitch.. drool ;-)
[12:53] <spook> macavity: haha, i'm not your missus :P
[12:53] <BP{k}> haha, spook +1 ;)
[12:53] <despiron> macavity I'll try to improve and not talk slang
[12:53] <despiron> macavity ahha
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[12:53] <macavity> despiron: thank you :-) it makes it a lot easier for everyone to read
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[12:53] <jg71> despiron, the band is called abba
[12:54] <jg71> a-ha, for the youngster, but totally different. ahha ... doesnt exist in the slackware mistress db
[12:54] <despiron> ¶x~~
[12:54] <init[1]> jg71: actually i thought despiron miss spelled haha :
[12:54] <spook> despiron: also, stop it with those stupid characters.
[12:55] <jg71> init[1], that was an unofficial guess
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[12:56] <init[1]> jg71: ;)
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[12:56] <init[1]> wb fire|bird
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[12:56] <macavity> fire|bird: you are late!
[12:57] <fire|bird> thank you init[1]
[12:57] <despiron> [spook]: you are troubled by nature should be more annoying than Richard Stallman
[12:57] <fire|bird> macavity: dang, when was I suppose to be here?
[12:57] <macavity> here!
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[12:58] <macavity> and, at any time you arrive, you should have been here five minutes earlier :P
[12:58] <fire|bird> haha
[12:59] <macavity> we just picked up the new machine for the GF
[13:00] <init[1]> we?
[13:00] <macavity> E8400 and Vapochill extreme low noise
[13:00] <macavity> init[1]: GF and I
[13:00] <jeronimo1> gspca_main             23344  28 gspca_m5602,gspca_stv06xx,gspca_conex,gspca_etoms,gspca_finepix,gspca_mars,gspca_mr97310a,gspca_ov519,gspca_ov534,gspca_pac207,gspca_pac7311,gspca_sn9c20x,gspca_spca500,gspca_spca501,gspca_spca505,gspca_spca506,gspca_spca508,gspca_spca561,gspca_sq905,gspca_sq905c,gspca_stk014,gspca_sunplus,gspca_t613,gspca_tv8532,gspca_vc032x,gspca_zc3xx,gspca_sonixb,gspca_sonixj
[13:00] <jeronimo1> videodev               39008  3 uvcvideo,h826d,gspca_main
[13:00] <spook> macavity: that has hardware virtualisation.
[13:00] <init[1]> wtf
[13:00] <macavity> jeronimo1: use a pastebin :P
[13:00] <jeronimo1> i have loaded all modules for gspca
[13:00] <init[1]> lol
[13:00] <spook> jeronimo1: pastebin for christ sake.
[13:00] <jeronimo1> and i don't have a picutre
[13:00] <macavity> jeronimo1: what app are you using?
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[13:01] <jeronimo1> macavity: skype..
[13:01] <jeronimo1> 2.6.31.6
[13:01] <jeronimo1> macavity: on default kernel 2.6.29.6 it's ok
[13:01] <jeronimo1> it is found my cam
[13:01] <macavity> ok.. then you did something wrong
[13:01] <macavity> OR you have found a kernel regression
[13:01] <macavity> however, i find the later rather unlikely ;-)
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[13:01] <jeronimo1> wrong...
[13:01] <jeronimo1> macavity: with kernel?
[13:01] <macavity> yes
[13:02] <macavity> use the generic-smp-
[13:02] <jeronimo1> it is ok it's compiled fine.. all drivers for cams are <M> and i have headers
[13:02] <macavity> eek.. just a sec, hang on
[13:02] <jeronimo1> make-kpkg compiles automatically
[13:02] <jeronimo1> ok
[13:03] <macavity> use /boot/config-generic-smp-2.6.29.6-smp as the template
[13:03] <macavity> then make oldconfig and press and hold enter untill it is done
[13:03] <macavity> then menuconfig
[13:04] <macavity> and i have to go cook dinner now.. so ask around if you need help with a kernel compile :P
[13:04] <jeronimo1> i made that..
[13:04] Action: spook hides
[13:04] <jeronimo1> i can compile
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[13:07] <Pig_Pen> ill just leave this here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6tlw-opDBM  (rated G for everyone) :)
[13:07] <spook> Pig_Pen: and by here you mean ##slackofftopic, right?
[13:07] <Pig_Pen> theres an offtopic?
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[13:08] <jeev> off topic, fox news is going to divide the country even more with their lies.. civil war is coming
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[13:09] <straterra> nice
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[13:09] <jeev> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKKgua7wQk
[13:10] <jeev> nobody knows anything, they jst like her
[13:10] <jeev> just
[13:11] <xsamurai> sarah palin like all politicians is another douche
[13:11] <jeev> i think the only person who can save us is John McCain.
[13:11] <jeev> and he needs to speak out against fox
[13:11] <jeev> xsamurai, except palin is an idiot and all the idiots are rising up
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[13:12] <Pig_Pen> sarah palin is a quitter, she walked off the job as governer of alaska so that shows what her work ethic is
[13:12] <jeev> watch the video, when the guy asks about things, they have no idea
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[13:12] <jeev> one woman says, we dont have czar's, this is america
[13:12] <jeev> a quick wikipedia shows bush had more czar's than obama does.
[13:12] <xsamurai> whatever happens in this country is guided from a single party , the whole two party system is BS.  There are a lot of issues in the country right now and what better way to represent them is having an idiot run the show
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[13:13] <xsamurai> its like at the rallies the media always picks the stupidest guy in the crowd to interview
[13:13] <jeev> yea
[13:14] <jeev> uh.. you know, it has gotten a little better
[13:14] <jeev> i think it's taking baby steps because it's being held back by these people
[13:14] <jeev> i dont think recovery in a year is possible but it sure could've been better if we didn't have half the population hoping that obama fails
[13:14] <xsamurai> jeev: buy guns and store some food.  In case of any disaster natural or douche made
[13:14] <straterra> jeev: lvl 70 in MW2
[13:15] <xsamurai> um we couldnt recover in 5 years the way its going
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[13:15] <xsamurai> and obama he's jesus , he promised to cure cancer by 2012
[13:16] <fred> Yes, Jesus cured cancer.
[13:16] <anonza> lol
[13:17] <jeev> straterra, i wont buy it till they give us dedicated servers
[13:17] <straterra> Good luck with that
[13:17] <jeev> then i wont buy it, i downloaded it and beat single player
[13:18] <jeev> xsamurai, so bush was a better president ?
[13:18] <straterra> The match system works out decently
[13:18] <straterra> I dunno why they can't have both
[13:18] Action: fred likes playing an online game where he can join a server can be confident of it running a well-made map with no stupid extra rules like "every 5th round everyone has rocket launcher"
[13:18] <jeev> xsamurai, the thing with recovery is that, before this disaster happened, we were living a lie, everyone who thought had money, didn't.. everyone was living off credit..
[13:18] <jeev> fred, not every server is like that
[13:18] <jeev> very very rare
[13:19] <fred> I'd say 1-in-3 for CS:S
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[13:19] <fred> at least IME, not done actual sampling :p
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[13:19] <xsamurai> jeev: like i said we're a facist country run by corporation
[13:19] <xsamurai> fascist
[13:19] <straterra> I got pissed off this morning..the entire other team was using nothing but RPG's
[13:20] <jeev> ah fred, cs:s is old man.. of course there'll be things like that
[13:20] <xsamurai> it doesnt matter who runs the country , we'll do whatever master says
[13:20] <straterra> and hiding in little holes by spawn
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[13:20] <jeev> man i go nuts when all people use are grenade launchers, marty, last stand and wall spam
[13:21] <straterra> jeev: marty is redone in MW2
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[13:21] <straterra> It's a death streak perk
[13:21] <straterra> You have to die 4 times in a row with no kills to use it
[13:21] <jeev> oh thank heavens
[13:21] <straterra> Same with last stand
[13:21] <xsamurai> watch the movie idiocracy , I think thats we're headed, mixed in with some mad max
[13:21] <jeev> too bad i still wont play it until they give me dedi's, im fine with cod4 until bad company 2
[13:21] <jeev> xsamurai, funny movie. very sad.
[13:22] <jeev> i used to care about people man, i just find it hard to anymore
[13:22] <jeev> people dont care for themselves, why should i care for them
[13:22] <jeev> brb
[13:26] <ananke> nachox: looks neat. i'm waiting for the day btrfs is going to be declared stable for production
[13:26] <nachox> ananke, ah, well, 3 to 5 years maybe :P
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[13:26] <nachox> but i knew it would make you happy to know what could be done with it
[13:27] <ananke> very happy
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[13:28] <nachox> xsamurai, you might want to go to #politics
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[13:32] <xsamurai> nachox: thanks
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[14:11] <sluckxz> how long will 12.2 receive updates/patches?
[14:12] <thrice`> sluckxz, "awhile."  slackware 8.0 is still getting security updates
[14:12] <sluckxz> haha thanks.
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[14:15] Action: pprkut hates java </rant>
[14:15] <kitche> didn't slackware 8.0 just stop I thought or no? sorry don't pay attention to the security updates that much
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[14:18] <wertik_rus> hi all
[14:20] <pprkut> zomg. I get a weird error from eclipse, and the solutions for it is "to do it the right way". <3
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[14:32] <Ziggy-> hello
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[14:33] <BP{k}> pprkut: Doesn't eclipse, more or less automagically imply weird in the first place?
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[14:36] <pprkut> BP{k}: so true
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[14:40] <hrad> guys what am I doing wrong ?
[14:40] <hrad> # sshfs -o nonempty lisak@192.168.0.6:/home/lisak/Desktop/sshfs3 /home/lisak/Desktop/vymrdat/ -o allow_other -o uid=666
[14:40] <hrad> I tried everything
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[14:40] <hrad> but I got no permissions for doing anything with that mountpoint
[14:41] <e01> is somebody here know a prety working system wide equalizer for alsa
[14:41] <hrad> no matter as a user or root
[14:41] <hrad> root@lisak:/home/lisak/Desktop# chown -R lisak:users /home/lisak/Desktop/vymrdat
[14:41] <hrad> chown: changing ownership of `/home/lisak/Desktop/vymrdat': Permission denied
[14:42] <thrice`> run "ls -dl /home/lisake/Desktop/vymrdat"
[14:42] <thrice`> I'm guess read-only
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[14:42] <fredoslack> :)
[14:42] <thrice`> guessing*
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[14:44] <hrad> thrice`: it is readable
[14:45] <hrad> writable even executable :)
[14:45] <hrad> I wouldn't have rights to chmod it anyway :)
[14:45] <thrice`> er, isn't that the problem ?  :)
[14:46] <hrad> but as root ?
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[14:46] <hrad> why wouldn't I
[14:46] <hrad> it behaves like this without those -o parameters as well
[14:47] <mako-sama> e01: pretty? doesn't KDE come with one?
[14:47] <e01> i am using xfce
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[14:48] <e01> and i am looking for some equalizer with bass treble ...
[14:48] <hrad> I've done this before like milion times and it allways worked
[14:48] <thrice`> hrad, and it's a linux FS, right?
[14:49] <thrice`> hm, yes, it is
[14:49] <hrad> thrice`: both ext4
[14:49] <mako-sama> e01: alsa doesn't have equalizer controls
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[14:50] <mako-sama> maybe there is a plugin
[14:50] <mako-sama> not sure about that though
[14:52] <mako-sama> e01: http://alsa-eq-plugin.sourceforge.net/
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[14:52] <supercomputer> smart work mate
[14:52] <supercomputer> thanks
[14:53] <hrad> thrice`: I forgot to mention that it is owned and writable by the users lisak as it sshed as lisak
[14:53] <hrad> *it was
[14:53] <hrad> on the remote machine
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[14:55] <e01> mako-sama, how to install this
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[14:55] <e01> in INSTALL it written with installpkg but it`s seems that doesn`t work
[14:57] <mako-sama> e01: you'll have to compile it..
[14:57] <mako-sama> and maybe make a package and install that
[14:57] <e01> but there are no configure script or makefile
[14:58] <mako-sama> I have no idea then. I have never used it, I looked it up for you just now
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[16:01] <macavity> ok.. this is freaking weird
[16:01] <macavity> i used the usbimg2disk.sh tool and copied over all the files (except source/) from the slackware mirror
[16:02] <macavity> i can see the slackware/ extra/ etcetera on this box, but not on the other
[16:02] <macavity> it is VFAT
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[16:02] <macavity> .. but it boots fine
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[16:20] <yz250> kalinuxtes
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[16:26] <hrad_> is it OK to install qt4 (4.5.1) for slackware 12.2 from slackbuilds.org ?
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[16:26] <hrad_> on slackware 13.0 ?
[16:27] <thrice`> slackware 13 ships with qt4
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[16:27] <hrad_> opera is missing libqt-mt.so.3
[16:28] <pprkut> that's qt3
[16:28] <macavity> lol
[16:28] <thrice`> use the slackbuilds version of opera, which will use a qt4 build
[16:29] <macavity> i used the wrong partition type.. apparently "FAT 32 (LBA)" is not the right option for a 4GB :P
[16:29] <macavity> but alienBOB's usbimg2disk with the -f switch did it right for me
[16:29] <hrad_> ouch, I wanted to try 10.10 version
[16:29] <hrad_> with the new stuff
[16:29] <hrad_> http://unite.opera.com/applications/
[16:29] <fire|bird> hrad_: Opera 10.10 has qt4 builds, I just built it on 13 this morning.
[16:30] <hrad_> like fire|bird and where did you get the installer with qt4 included ?
[16:31] <hrad_> there are only the old versions in the opera repository
[16:31] <fire|bird> hrad_: ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/linux/1010/final/en/i386/opera-10.10.gcc4-qt4.i386.tar.bz2
[16:31] <hrad_> fire|bird: I forgot to mention that I have 64bit
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[16:32] <fire|bird> hrad_: ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/linux/1010/final/en/x86_64/opera-10.10.gcc4-qt4.x86_64.tar.bz2
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[16:33] <macavity> man! installing from a USB stick is fast :-D
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[16:33] <fire|bird> hey macavity, how are you?
[16:33] <macavity> excelent
[16:34] <macavity> installing the GF's new box
[16:34] <fire|bird> nice!
[16:34] <macavity> Core2Duo 3GHz 6MB L2 + 2GB 667MHz 3-3-3-4 RAM + .5TB etc etc
[16:35] <macavity> 2x1GB that is
[16:35] <hrad_> fire|bird: thanks man, it's working
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[16:36] <fire|bird> hrad_: you're welcome
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[16:45] <zmyrgel> hi, is there a way to adjust graphics adapter (radeon) fan speed from linux?
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[16:46] <Scuzz> fire|bird, you test like every browser known to man dont you
[16:47] <fire|bird> Scuzz: hahaha, I've tried a lot, yeah.
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[16:47] <linXea> midori is pretty decent.. based on webkit.. nothing to do with gnome
[16:47] <Scuzz> you ever try getting midori 0.2.1 going again /
[16:48] <Scuzz> .21*
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[16:48] <fire|bird> Scuzz: yeah, and, on the laptop now, I'm using midori, the latest git version of it. :P
[16:49] <deco> fire|bird: bleeding edge :P
[16:49] <Scuzz> it built without problems ?
[16:49] <beatzz> sup all.
[16:49] <deco> -_-
[16:49] <fire|bird> Scuzz: yeah, but then on the laptop I have -current and other upgraded things, on 13 it wouldn't build.
[16:50] <Scuzz> hrm
[16:50] <Scuzz> i had to edit the katz-util file to get it to build on 64 current
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[17:12] <beatzz> ok so.. dmesg isent exactly what is displayed wile the kernel loads?
[17:12] <beatzz> thats in /var/log/messages maby?
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[17:25] <xdoctor> hi
[17:25] <deco> hi
[17:25] <eviljames> lo
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[17:29] <metrofox> time to sleep guys ;) see ya
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[17:34] <Scuzz> howdy everyone
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[17:34] <Scuzz> i got a quick question about resolve.conf
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[17:35] <Scuzz> i was getting serious latency so i checked resolve.conf and it was the ip of my router. i changed it to the dns server ip of my isp and its quick again
[17:35] <Scuzz> my question is , is my router ip comon to be there ?
[17:35] <Scuzz> or something got screwy ?
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[17:39] <mancha> if your router serves as a dns server (aside from dhcp) whcih is common it might provide this dns info on the dhcp comm
[17:40] <Scuzz> wonder what the problem might be then
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[17:42] <Pig_Pen> i use a router doing nat too, what i find that works good for me is i do all the PCs on the LAN with static IP address since the router does the dhcp stuff between the router and the WAN
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[17:43] <Pig_Pen> StaticLAN/router/WAN-DHCP
[17:43] <eviljames> Scuzz: Odds are there is a setting on the router to either a) pass your ISP's DNS information along with DHCP or b) use an internal DNS service.
[17:44] <Scuzz> nothing has changed but its dog slow now unless i use the dns server from my isp
[17:45] <Pig_Pen> i can believe it, your ISP's namservers should be in resolv.conf
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[17:45] <fire|bird> my resolv.conf just has my router listed, and I specified servers in the router's settings.
[17:45] <mancha> if the router is good, then a small cache-only dns onboard is good
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[17:45] <Pig_Pen> the only thing that gets NAT is IP addresses subnet mask and default gateway
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[17:46] <Scuzz> brb gonna try something
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[17:46] <mancha> it's a waste to constantly probe upsteam dns's
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[17:47] <mancha> either having the router take care of the caching or the client linux box. either is fine.
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[17:49] <edman007> hello ladies
[17:49] <fire|bird> says the one wearing the mini skirt.
[17:49] <hitest> ha
[17:50] <fire|bird> heya hitest, how are you?
[17:50] <hitest> I am well, fire|bird, ty:) how are you?
[17:50] <fire|bird> hitest: I am excellent, thank you. :)
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[17:53] <Scuzz> i guess this is normal for a 30 dollar router
[17:53] <Scuzz> lol
[17:53] <Scuzz> i jsut added my dns servers to the routers dhcp info
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[17:53] <Scuzz> best i can do for now
[17:53] <eviljames> You could use opendns instead though
[17:53] <eviljames> :P
[17:54] <Scuzz> opendns is slower is it not ?
[17:54] <fire|bird> no
[17:54] <fire|bird> always been faster in my experience.
[17:54] <Scuzz> ill check it out
[17:54] <Scuzz> thanx
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[18:02] <Pig_Pen> my plastic flowers died because i forgot to pretend to water them
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[18:02] <Necos> lol
[18:03] <eviljames> btw, fake plastic trees sucks.  So does all of Radiohead's music.
[18:03] <eviljames> Debate.
[18:03] <eviljames> Sorry, that should've read: ...all of Radiohead's "music"
[18:03] <Pig_Pen> dont tell me that is lyrics from a song, i only just read it on the net
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[18:04] <eviljames> no, I don't think so.. but it made me think of Fake Plastic Trees...
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[18:05] <deco> eviljames: radiohead is boring
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[18:10] <beatzz> How can a prostitute make more money than her pimp???
[18:11] <eviljames> By installing Slackware?
[18:11] <beatzz> she can wash her crack and sell it again!!!!!
[18:11] <eviljames> That was not the answer I was expecting.
[18:11] <beatzz> What did one lesbian say to the other lesbian?
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[18:12] <edman007> beatzz, k-line ftw?
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[18:12] <beatzz> your the man dude!!!
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[18:12] <beatzz> k-line? isent that a system wide ban from an irc network?
[18:13] <eviljames> Sure is.  If you're lucky enough to get one your work productivity automatically improves.
[18:14] <beatzz> o_O
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[18:14] <beatzz> not i said the laborer
[18:14] <Pig_Pen> work does not bother me at all, i can fall asleep right next to it'
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[18:15] <beatzz> hola fire|bird
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[18:15] <fire|bird> hi beatzz
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[18:16] <beatzz> so how dose a k-line work?
[18:17] <beatzz> it bans the mac address? wan ip?
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[18:18] <eviljames> They ban all IPs that are geographically related to the country you reside in, just in case.
[18:18] <beatzz> ...
[18:18] <beatzz> well I wouldent want to do that to you guys.
[18:18] <eviljames> At some point everyone realizes to just stop listening to me :P
[18:18] <Pig_Pen> beatzz have you seen the movie O' Brother where art thou ?
[18:18] <beatzz> yea, great movie about the south
[18:19] <beatzz> love it.
[18:19] Action: beatzz breaks out in song
[18:19] <beatzz> IN constant sorrrrrrrrow all through his days!
[18:20] <Pig_Pen> the part where they are in that auditorium where they discover that the guy running for governer was a member of the KKK and they load him on that pole and run him out of the auditorium, that is called k-lined or
[18:20] <Pig_Pen> or, run out on a rail
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[18:21] <beatzz> hmm
[18:21] <beatzz> interesting.
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[18:21] <beatzz> You know, I sometimes forget, that I'm conversating with people who are proly alot differnt than me.
[18:21] <beatzz> Pig_Pen, what do u do for a living if u dont mind me asking?
[18:21] <beatzz> something IT related?
[18:22] <beatzz> I'm guessing most of the locals here are proly like, 30-40, and working some bad ass job dealing w/ software or big ass data centers..
[18:22] <Pig_Pen> construction/carpentry when i am working, not working at the moment
[18:23] <beatzz> oh, well that go's to show my insight on people via irc.
[18:24] <deco> beatzz: 21 here
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[18:25] <beatzz> how do you all know so much about complex linux issues?
[18:25] <eviljames> 26, and yes I work in IT.
[18:25] <deco> beatzz: reading and experiencce
[18:25] <eviljames> ++deco;
[18:25] <deco> experience*
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[18:26] <Pig_Pen> i learned linux when i could no longer tolerate incomptent closed source ms-windows BSODs
[18:26] <eviljames> For what it is worth, I did the LFS thing, already knew my way around code (been coding since I was ~12yo)
[18:26] <edman007> s/\+\+deco/deco/\+\+/
[18:26] <beatzz> man, one day i will attain the ranks of you gurus
[18:26] <eviljames> edman007: I wish to increment first. :P
[18:26] <edman007> nevar
[18:26] <eviljames> never say nevar
[18:27] <edman007> its a crime
[18:27] <eviljames> It always depends on the situation :P
[18:27] <beatzz> you know slackware was the distro that broke my linux cherry?
[18:27] <eviljames> beatzz: That is common, by virtue of Slackware being the oldest surviving distro.
[18:27] <beatzz> a roommate who was renting the spare room in our house, showed me the light.
[18:27] <beatzz> it was slackware 10
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[18:28] <eviljames> oh damn.
[18:28] <eviljames> Wasn't that right around the time that package series G/ disappeared?
[18:28] <beatzz> then i migrated back and forth from windows to various linux distrobutions
[18:28] <beatzz> Xandros, LinuxPCos
[18:28] <beatzz> PClinuxOS w/e
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[18:28] <beatzz> kubuntu for a while, then i was one day like
[18:29] <beatzz> fuck it, whats been up with slackware?
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[18:29] <beatzz> that was at the begining of 12.2 i belive.
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[18:30] <edman007> beatzz, lets see for me i think i started with zipslack, then tried peanut linux (the bootloaded never installed right), then i got happy with red hat (about rh7) for a year, and switch to slackware after that
[18:30] <beatzz> what release of slack are we talking about?
[18:31] <edman007> 8 or 9 i think...
[18:31] <edman007> the zipslack i used was older
[18:31] <eviljames> I probably started out with Linux around Slackware 3.5
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[18:31] <edman007> i started with zipslack because the installer would install to fat32, was the only distro i found that did that
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[18:31] <edman007> eviljames, well i'm not that old
[18:32] <eviljames> Slackware was my first distro as well, and I guess I never broke my fingers out of the habits, because I still pretty much hate all other distros.
[18:32] <beatzz> here here!
[18:32] Action: beatzz raises glass
[18:32] <beatzz> i swear this very moment
[18:33] <beatzz> once i pass this linux+ test
[18:33] <beatzz> i will devote myself to slackbook
[18:33] <beatzz> and will learn the ways of the force
[18:33] <beatzz> slackware....*
[18:33] <edman007> stuff just does exactly what it says on slackware, thats why I liked it, and thats why I still use it
[18:33] <edman007> i switch from red hat after dealing with rpm hell
[18:33] <eviljames> edman007: I find that stuff does exactly as I tell it to on Slackware.
[18:33] <eviljames> Not what it says, but what _I_ say.
[18:35] <straterra> beatzz: Linux+, like most Comptia certs, is pretty worthless
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[18:37] <edman007> eviljames, well i was kinda referring to prompts...when i started i sucked at linux, when things say click ok to continue, and then fail, it drives me crazy, because the docs say it won't fail, on slackware they make no such assumptions, instead it tells you exactly what needs to be done, and you can follow it and find the errors
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[18:40] <lotec> there is sager laptop that has 2 I7 8gb of ram 2 video cards 3 hard drives.  thing cost about 7k wtf do you need that
[18:40] <eviljames> edman007: heh, the first time I tried a linux with graphical installer I was so shocked.  I said "Linux is now finally ready for the desktop!"
[18:40] <straterra> 2 i7?
[18:40] <eviljames> lotec: Doing engineering on the road.
[18:41] <straterra> I didn't think the i7 was MP..I know the 1366 Xeons are
[18:41] <lotec> straterra, yep 2 I7's
[18:41] <eviljames> lotec: any 3d graphic design
[18:41] <lotec> http://www.xoticpc.com/custom-gaming-laptops-notebooks-gaming-laptops-ct-118_96_98.html
[18:41] <lotec> bottom laptops.
[18:41] <eviljames> lotec: breaking into WEP/WPA secured wireless points via brute force cracking
[18:41] <eviljames> There are many uses you could put that towards
[18:41] <lotec> they have another one 1 I7 12gb of ram 1video card 3 hard drives
[18:42] <eviljames> Also, starting a fire in your lap if you tried to use it as a laptop
[18:42] <lotec> evilgames, anyone cracking wep would usually go to site get a crap ton of packets,  go home crack it go back later
[18:42] <straterra> I dont see any dual i7's..
[18:42] <lotec> The Np9850
[18:43] <straterra> Dual video card, single Core 2 Duo/Quad
[18:43] <straterra> LGA 775
[18:43] <lotec> the NP9280 has the I7 sorry
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[18:43] <eviljames> yeah, but it's just a single quad core, not dual.
[18:44] <straterra> I don't think the i7's are capable of MP
[18:44] <eviljames> lotec: That method doesn't work if you're on the road.
[18:44] <eviljames> straterra: There are dual socket i7 motherborads
[18:44] <lotec> o heck sorry i did say 2 I7 ment 2 video cards
[18:44] <eviljames> s/borads/boards/
[18:44] <straterra> eviljames: I don't see it saying dual socket
[18:45] <straterra> I see a single CPU
[18:45] <eviljames> Yeah, in the case of lotec's laptops, you're right, these are single socket multicore i7 processors.
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[18:45] <eviljames> However, architecturally, there is nothing stopping the i7 from multi-socket-goodness.
[18:45] <straterra> I'm pretty sure the i7's lack the logic in the memory controller to handle multiple processors. Thats one thing thats different in the Xeons
[18:46] <lotec> 18 inch screen.  those laptops are crazy
[18:47] <mako-dono> portable desktops
[18:47] <eviljames> straterra: The whole QPI thing gets in the way of multi proc?
[18:47] <lotec> i wwanna know what the battery time is
[18:47] <straterra> 11.55 lbs....
[18:47] <eviljames> I would expect that the only restriction would be that you need independant memory per processor, if any restriction applied.
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[18:48] <straterra> eviljames: not really "in the way", just the way its implemented in the i7 allows it to only interface with its own memory
[18:48] <straterra> I don't think the processor/memory connect is there
[18:49] <eviljames> straterra: Right, and looking at the dual-socket i7 motherboards on newegg.com seems to support my above mentioned need for ram per processor
[18:50] <straterra> Aren't the dual socket 1366 sockets meant for the Xeons?
[18:50] <straterra> Maybe the 1366 i7's can handle MP, but not the 10whatever socket
[18:50] <beatzz> eviljames,
[18:50] <beatzz> you stated you were in the IT field>
[18:50] <beatzz> administration? networking? programming?
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[18:50] <straterra> I need to build myself an i7 gaming rig
[18:50] <eviljames> heh, all of the above + support.  Working for a small business means you wear a lot of hats.
[18:50] <beatzz> straterra, what cert's would you recomend?
[18:51] <straterra> beatzz: Real ones..anything that comptia doesn't offer
[18:51] <eviljames> straterra: I need to build myself an i7 rig FTFY :P
[18:51] <straterra> Cisco certs go a long way\
[18:51] <beatzz> straterra, example?
[18:51] <straterra> Cisco certs :P
[18:51] <eviljames> I should go get ccna and stuff soon.
[18:51] <beatzz> eviljames, if someone presented a Linux+ cert to u
[18:51] <straterra> eviljames: My current rig can handle games just fine..except that its maxed out in memory
[18:51] <beatzz> eviljames, would you A, laugh at them
[18:51] <beatzz> or b> hire them
[18:51] <straterra> And MW2 makes it swap terribly
[18:52] <straterra> c) ignore it and look at other qualifications
[18:52] <eviljames> beatzz: Neither, probably.  At least not on the basis of certification.
[18:52] <beatzz> im trying to get my foot in the door
[18:52] <beatzz> somewhere
[18:52] <beatzz> anywhere, dealing with computers
[18:52] <eviljames> Yeah, Certs will go a long way, especially at a bigger company
[18:52] <straterra> so do degrees
[18:52] <beatzz> College is nearly out of the question
[18:52] <beatzz> i am the sole sorce of income for my  family
[18:52] <beatzz> and i got 2 kids
[18:52] <eviljames> Degrees are so far ahead of industry certs in terms of value that they aren't even in the same order of magnitude.
[18:53] <beatzz> i gata work 40+ hours a week, no matter what
[18:53] <eviljames> beatzz: Get yourself Linux+, Some Cisco stuff, and Oracle DBA.  Then send me a cut of your annual wages for the excellent career advice. :P
[18:53] <lotec> beatzz: where do you live?
[18:53] <beatzz> lotec, san antonio, tx
[18:54] <eviljames> straterra: Looked into it, the Xeon 5520 = Core i7 2.26GHz
[18:54] <lotec> beatzz: hum  the government certification for networking devices is in san, antonio
[18:54] <beatzz> ?
[18:54] <lotec> you have any linux/cisco knowledge
[18:55] <beatzz> linux some, cisco none
[18:55] <straterra> You can do online classes..
[18:55] <beatzz> and when i say some linux knowlage, that means, not as much as u all
[18:55] <beatzz> but more so than ur avg ubuntu user
[18:55] <lotec> beatzz: alot of  books online for cisco stuff
[18:56] <lotec> beatzz: in linux learn samba/apache/scripting
[18:56] <beatzz> i am just wondering if i should go through w/ this Linux+ or not
[18:56] <lotec> if you want to go the network route
[18:56] <beatzz> beause i see what u all mean
[18:56] <beatzz> all the shit in this book
[18:56] <beatzz> is outdated
[18:56] <lotec> beatzz: that depends on the company you want to work for
[18:56] <eviljames> beatzz: have you paid any money yet?
[18:56] <beatzz> i check the conf files it refers to, and they are allmost all "not used anymore"
[18:57] <beatzz> 80 for the book
[18:57] <Camarade_Tux> wooot, I'm gonna try to ddrescue a hard drive, should take 170 hours \o/
[18:57] <beatzz> the test is 240
[18:57] <straterra> 80 for the book? Holy shit
[18:57] <beatzz> and i am nearly ready to take it.
[18:57] <eviljames> beatzz: I would consider that enough to be 'committed'.  Might as well get it.
[18:57] <eviljames> If you're considering your resume with it vs without it, you bet your ass it'll help.
[18:57] <straterra> I'd never pay $80 for a book
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[18:57] <eviljames> Especially if you have no technical related work experience.
[18:57] <lotec> beatzz: best bet is to find a small company to start out,  most network/admin jobs want experience not cets.
[18:57] <eviljames> Which, BTW, counts a LOT.
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[18:58] <eviljames> agreed, lotec.  Experience is what gets your foot in the door.
[18:58] <beatzz> word i understand that
[18:58] <beatzz> hands on > *
[18:58] <eviljames> Might have to take a real crappy support/helpdesk job before anyone lets you anywhere near a server :P
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[18:58] <beatzz> but how to get exp w/o a job?
[18:58] <lotec> beatzz: also that is why they like colege for.  usually get alot of OJT from school
[18:58] <lotec> beatzz: set up a server
[18:58] <beatzz> ive been wanting to do that for a while
[18:58] <lotec> beatzz: set up samba/apache write scripts
[18:59] <beatzz> just gata buy an old desktop
[18:59] <lotec> beatzz: that is how i started
[18:59] <lotec> beatzz: check flea markets get an old shit P2
[18:59] <lotec> beatzz: i went threw the same think you are a few years ago
[18:59] <beatzz> i know of something better
[18:59] <beatzz> check this
[18:59] <beatzz> let me get url
[18:59] <beatzz> refubished in my area, server desktop 50 bucks
[19:00] <lotec> beatzz: that is to much money
[19:00] <lotec> go to a flea market pick up a piece of shit P2 for 10 bucks that runs
[19:00] <beatzz> seriously?
[19:00] <lotec> get a cheap hard drive set up a server
[19:00] <lotec> beatzz: yea wtf else do you need
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[19:01] <lotec> beatzz: onced you get into a company you get the big toys.
[19:01] <eviljames> beatzz: I took the route of call centre/support desk to start my climb of the IT ladder.
[19:02] <beatzz> whats really messin w/ me is
[19:02] <lotec> beatzz: i had this convo today with my helper.  guy says he knows windows witch is good.  but my company does not do windows.  get a shit pc set up a server learn apache/samba/scripting.  break it then fix it.  troubleshoot
[19:02] <beatzz> i know slackbook has way more to offer me
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[19:02] <beatzz> but im studying this crap
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[19:02] <beatzz> it allmost henders me from contiuning
[19:03] <eviljames> beatzz: In the case of all these certs, your strategy is: Study to the test, Ace it.  Get certification.  Promptly forget half of what they taught you.
[19:03] <lotec> beatzz: drop that A+ crap down the toilet  concentrate on linux based/unix.  and Cisco if you want to go the networking route
[19:03] <eviljames> Find a way to get yourself certified in COBOL, never be unemployed again.
[19:04] <eviljames> Same goes with all things relating to FORTRAN, VAX/VMS, and other acronyms from the stone age.  Those dinosaurs are all retiring and someone needs to maintain their code.
[19:04] <lotec> download solaris mess with it.  there are so many free apps online
[19:04] <eviljames> lotec: ++ !  opensolaris.org
[19:05] <beatzz> http://jetspc.com/Server1.aspx
[19:05] <lotec> beatzz: if you learn solaris you can do alot.  my job is more troubleshooting than anything
[19:05] <lotec> there is actually a cisco app out there that lets you set up cisco IOS in a vm app
[19:07] <straterra> If you legally have IOS images
[19:07] <beatzz> well all thanks for the advice.
[19:07] <lotec> beatzz: i am a field tech for a networking company that works with the government.  it is a smaller company but i have learned alot.  just like most linux guys,  i hold alot of hats not only do i do networking stuff but alot of others
[19:07] <beatzz> I think I will follow through with the Linux+
[19:08] <beatzz> seeing is im only reviewing 4 chapters away from takeing the test.
[19:08] <lotec> straterra, they have some fake IOS ones people have wrote to use.  at least that is the ones i have
[19:08] <beatzz> but as you said eviljames im throwin this crap away when i get the cert
[19:08] <beatzz> and them im gana study slackbook indepth
[19:08] <beatzz> gn all
[19:08] <beatzz> time to go take care of the wife. ;)
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[19:09] <lotec> people are to hung up on certs
[19:09] <straterra> lotec: eh..those arent perfect
[19:09] <straterra> I've tried using those for bonding..and couldn't find a single one that does it properly
[19:09] <lotec> straterra, correct but better then spending a few hundred on an cisco router
[19:09] <straterra> Not IMO
[19:10] <straterra> cisco routers are VERY useful..even after learning
[19:10] <lotec> straterra, i did not do advanced stuff with them,  i used it for just basic setup to figure out what i was messing with.
[19:10] <lotec> i have a few cisco's now myself best router i have ever had
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[19:15] <macavity> good night peeps
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[19:17] <lotec> certs were the thing 5 to 10 years ago,  not now
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[19:25] <eviljames> lotec: Many industry certs carry a fair bit of weight.  Pretty much all Cisco/Sun/Oracle ones.  MSCE will still near-guarantee you a job *somewhere*
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[19:26] <lotec> eviljames: not saying they dont,  but for someone trying to get into the field with no experience just seams like a waste of money until you are sure you want to do this Job.
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[19:27] <Necos> mcse is by far the worst... and if a company requires it, it might be a good time to question your responsibilities >.>
[19:28] <lotec> expecially with the way the economy is right now,  80 bucks for a book? another 100 maybe for the cert test.
[19:28] <Necos> certs are ~125 per
[19:28] <Necos> for mcse, you need at least 4, IIRC
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[19:29] <eviljames> If I can't get away from work for full time classes next semester, I'm going to dedicate the next 3 months to having a page of industry certs on my resumee.
[19:29] <lotec> that is alot of cash to me for a cert that you have no idea if you will use.
[19:30] <lotec> eviljames, how long have you been doing this for thought?
[19:30] <edman007> eviljames, depends, I know at least one person who is a cert whore with a BS in comp sci, and I would not hire them for any comp sci/programming/IT position, they just don't understand it
[19:30] <eviljames> lotec: My history with computers is almost an abusive relationship.
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[19:31] <eviljames> lotec: I was gung-ho, coding from the age of 12 (basic & assembler)..
[19:31] <Necos> comp sci != IT <---- this is the problem with business
[19:31] <eviljames> lotec: but I turned 18 in 2001, and we all remember what was going on in computerworld at that time.
[19:31] <eviljames> Necos: PRECISELY.
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[19:32] <eviljames> lotec: So I didn't get into the industry side of computers until about 3 years ago.
[19:32] <edman007> eviljames, IMHO, certs are nice if you have nothing and are really looking for resume padders, but otherwise its a complete waste of money...most good people shouldn't need a cert to get a job, freelancing is the only legit thing I can think of, because you are constantly looking for jobs
[19:32] <lotec> after i picked up my position my company hired a guy that had all kinds of certs,  guy worked in dell tech support for years  said he had 10 years of linux experience.  they guy had no idea wtf he was doing  ended up slowing me down because he could not figure out how to configure a simple linux box this went on for almost 6 months
[19:33] <Necos> lotec, lol
[19:33] <eviljames> edman007: That's exactly what I think about certs too.. and seeing as I haven't been able to get away from working full time (fscking bills...) long enough to finish my degree they might just work great for me.
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[19:33] <Necos> i get students wanting to intern here at the school i work for... i always have to turn them away when they start trying to impress me :)
[19:33] <Necos> ej, that's my problem at the moment as well
[19:33] <Necos> but i just cheat :)
[19:34] <Necos> skip out from work to go to class
[19:34] <eviljames> Necos: just tell them you know the mighty eviljames and they'll stop trying to impress you.  They'll be like "damn, he knows the ubermensch.. no chance I'll be able to beat that."
[19:34] <lotec> i have a few certs myself,  but i think there a waste of time,  ill get a few more cisco certs i want to get and my security certs i need for the job i want to move to after my degree is done,  but other then that,  Yuck
[19:34] <edman007> lotec, exactly how the kid I know is...right now he is doing web dev for a community college
[19:34] <straterra> heh..web dev
[19:34] <straterra> I stay away from web developers
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[19:34] <eviljames> The real trick for any tech company is to sort out the uncertified, undegreed gurus (ie: ME) from the certified morons.
[19:34] <deco> straterra: why ? :P
[19:35] <Necos> ej, beancounters don't care
[19:35] <Necos> lol
[19:35] <eviljames> hahahah Necos too true.
[19:36] <lotec> edman007, i just done know how anyone can have all of that experiance per say,  but has no idea wtf they are doing.  i was amazed  having to teach someone how to vi a file.  guy had no idea how to adduser on linux???
[19:36] <edman007> straterra, i did it for a while, freelancing, and then got some semi-freelancing thing..not really fun, but i'm awesome at php, so once i did one thing for someone they just kept coming back...well it helped a lot through college
[19:36] <edman007> lotec, simple, they link phrases to answers, not concepts and ideas
[19:36] <eviljames> lotec: administering redhat or Novell is significantly different from administering Linux.
[19:37] <eviljames> anyhow, I gotta leave the office or I'll shoot myself.
[19:37] <eviljames> bbiab
[19:37] <lotec> eviljames: correct as i found that out myself.  but were talking basic things here.  I hate RedHat pain in my butt
[19:37] <edman007> you tell them 2+2=4, 3+3=6, 4+4=8, and they don't see a pattern and can't figure out what 5+5=? is, it was never on the test
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[19:37] <eviljames> edman007: Critical Thinking skills have not been taught in school for a long, long time.
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[19:38] <eviljames> anyhow... bbl forreal
[19:38] <edman007> eviljames, sad but true
[19:40] <lotec> on top of that,  i hate having someone to teach stuff to.  i just want to do my stuff and go on about my business
[19:40] <Reticenti> edman007: hold on, let me google what 5+5 is really quick, i'll get back to you on it
[19:40] <Reticenti> google tells me 5+5=1-
[19:40] <Reticenti> 10*
[19:40] <Reticenti> is that right?
[19:41] <Reticenti> I DONT KNOW
[19:42] <lotec> the new guy they hired a few weeks ago says, well you guys know linux,  i know windows,  ok but we do nothing that needs windows experience as long as you can use excel and word.  so trying to explain to him that he needs to work on linux configuration is just a pain in the butt,  so he sits in his own little room putting switches together and flashing the firmware on them.  another great person from dell tech support by the
[19:42] <lotec> way
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[19:43] <edman007> Reticenti, the sad thing is, I know the kid i'm talking about will end up with a nice middle management position, those below him will know of his problems and will be unable to do anything about it, those above him will know nothing about his weaknesses
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[19:43] <Reticenti> yeah ;\
[19:44] <Reticenti> the only option is hiring ninjas to assassinate him
[19:44] <lotec> edman007: yep i hate shit like that, person has no idea how to do there actually job,  but there telling someone how to do it
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[19:50] <edman007> Reticenti, on the plus side there is a high chance he will leave the US and spend the rest of his life in eastern europe
[19:51] <Reticenti> i was thinking more of the lines of leaving the earth and spending the rest of his life underground in a small pine box, but that works too
[19:51] <Necos> who's hiring ninjas?
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[19:51] <Reticenti> Necos: hiring ninjas to kill stupid middle management
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[19:51] <Necos> well, what a deal i have for you!
[19:51] <Necos> 3 for 1 special
[19:52] <Reticenti> lol
[19:52] <lotec> i use this place for all my ninjas
[19:52] <lotec> http://www.cs.nyu.edu/~eb464/NINJA/hireaninja.html
[19:52] <edman007> lol
[19:52] <Necos> lol
[19:53] <Necos> Ninja are extremely dangerous, but only if you get on their bad side.
[19:53] <edman007> tech ninja is a chick
[19:53] <edman007> schweet
[19:54] <Necos> lol
[19:54] <deco> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/8374495.stm
[19:54] <deco> lol!!
[19:54] <Necos> (-do not be alarmed- to demonstrate our ninja's skill a coded reply will be left under your pillow in 1-2 business days) <----- lol
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[19:56] <edman007> Necos, the form to read the coded reply is broken
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[19:56] <Necos> hehehe i guess they're missing a skill
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[19:57] <CornfedHonky> Herro
[19:57] <Necos> heya
[19:57] <CornfedHonky> Hows it goin?
[19:58] <Necos> alright... almost quittin time :)
[19:58] <CornfedHonky> ahhh nice, just got home myself
[19:58] <deco> Necos: you use openbox and kde ?
[19:59] <CornfedHonky> Anyone that has a minute to answer a few questions for a noob trying to set up dual boot slackware 13 and win 7 shoot me a msg?
[19:59] <Necos> just openbox with kontact and a couple of kde apps
[19:59] <deco> Necos: ok cool
[20:00] <Necos> i don't have a need for icons... only a taskbar and clock (clock is actually more important than the taskbar)
[20:00] <lotec> CornfedHonky: just ask we will help if we can
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[20:00] <Necos> all of my normal actions are keybound
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[20:01] <Necos> my coworkers cant use my computer 'cause of it, lol
[20:01] <Necos> they're always asking me where the icon for firefox is
[20:01] <deco> Necos: lol, same when using dwm
[20:01] <Necos> "use ctrl+alt+f you dingbat"
[20:02] <Necos> it's pretty amusing :)
[20:02] <Necos> brb
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[20:04] <gentoo> hello everyone
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[20:04] <gentoo> guys, if there is some kernel installation error, can it be corrected by booting in live environment?
[20:04] <deco> first ubuntu and gentoo \o/
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[20:05] <dorin> hy all
[20:05] <mancha> what does kernel installation error mean?
[20:05] <dorin> someone uses screnn and rtorrent?
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[20:05] <dorin> someone uses screen and rtorrent? *
[20:05] <deco> dorin: yes
[20:05] <sitwon> I do
[20:06] <dorin> "screen -md rtorrent rtorrent" is this correct ?
[20:06] <gentoo> mancha:after installating , when i rebooted the system, it showed no kernel found
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[20:07] <mancha> installing makes little sense to me unless it was some package. maybe a little more description here
[20:07] <lotec> dorin,  how about just screen
[20:07] <lotec> then rtorrent?
[20:07] <sitwon> dorin: 'screen -d -S rtorrent rtorrent'
[20:07] <gentoo> mancha:i was installing gentoo linux
[20:07] <dorin> i use a script to start up rtorrent at boot up
[20:07] <mancha> oh, you seem to have taken a wrong turn at the Jiffy-Mart then, you're in ##slackware
[20:07] <gentoo> mancha:i compiled the kernel at time of installation
[20:07] <lotec> dorin: then why youse screen?
[20:08] <dorin> it there a better way? ..
[20:08] <sitwon> lotec: probably so that he can reconnect to it later (potentially from SSH)
[20:08] <lotec> just give it a & at the end so it runs in the background
[20:08] <sitwon> lotec: that doesn't let you reattach
[20:08] <gentoo> mancha: i'm slack user. just decided to check gentoo
[20:09] <deco> gentoo: visit #gentoo then
[20:09] <gentoo> mancha: so, asking for help in slack
[20:09] <lotec> sitwon: he has not said what he was doing with screen though,
[20:09] <mancha> ok, i can't understand your question anyways
[20:09] <gentoo> mancha: ok, np
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[20:09] <sitwon> I guess I was assuming... since that's sort of the purpose of screen.
[20:09] <dorin> "screen -md rtorrent rtorrent" ( in detached mode )
[20:09] <dorin> and later : screen -rD rtorretn
[20:09] <mancha> "can kernel install error be corrected in live environment" is about as informative as.... $fill_in_blank
[20:10] <Necos> wow, sounds like someone is going to get beat with a clue-stick
[20:10] <sitwon> dorin: -m an -d are synonyms so using both is redundant, and why do you have 'rtorrent' as an argument to rtorrent?
[20:10] <lotec> o never detached that way.  i allways give D to detatch from screen
[20:10] <dorin> but the problem is when i reatach the screen ( i can not start  atorrent with ctrl+s or quit ctrl+q )
[20:11] <sitwon> dorin: 'screen -d -S rtorrent rtorrent' -d to detach and -S <name> to name the session
[20:11] <Necos> use ctorrent then
[20:11] <sitwon> dorin: why not?
[20:11] <Necos> and use screen -dR to reattach
[20:12] <sitwon> I've been using screen+rtorrent for about a year with not problems
[20:12] <Necos> and dorin, that's because those keys are caught by screen first
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[20:12] <lotec> nor have i used -dR  i just type screen -r
[20:12] <Necos> lotec, -dR is to force it to detach even if it's running elsewhere
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[20:12] <mancha> you can preface them with the secret ninja screen pass-through code
[20:12] <Necos> *attached elsewhere
[20:13] <dorin> but a normal command like "screen rtorrent" the ctrl+q or s " wok
[20:13] <Necos> like, if i'm sitting at my desk like i am right now, and then i walk over to a classroom and need to get to my screen session, -dR will force it to detach from my desk and reattach at the other computer
[20:13] <sitwon> ctrl-s and ctrl-q work fine for me...
[20:13] <lotec> Necos: ill have to remember that
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[20:14] <lotec> i am out, talk to you all later
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[20:14] <Necos> laters
[20:14] <dorin> by
[20:14] <Necos> so am i, gotta get to class early so i can talk shit to my classmates :)
[20:14] <Necos> laters folks
[20:14] <dorin> by Necos
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[20:17] <mrselfpwn> evening
[20:18] <deco> evening mrselfpwn
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[20:21] <sluckxz> CornfedHonky: you get it?
[20:23] <nyRednek> ok, a cornfed honky from cincinatti
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[20:29] <antiwire> ah crap wrong cable
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[20:30] <Scuzz> lol antiwire
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[20:35] <Reticenti> is there something similar to MS exchange?
[20:35] <Reticenti> but oss?
[20:36] <antiwire> http://www.zimbra.com/
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[20:36] <antiwire> seriously dood
[20:37] <antiwire> try google
[20:37] <eviljames> if that's even close to what exchange does/can do I'll buy it today.
[20:37] <sluckxz> i agree,  zimbra is not a full open source exchange solution if you plan on using outlook
[20:37] <antiwire> there is also "communigate" but God save you if you try it
[20:38] <eviljames> exchange/outlook combo (& games) is what keeps microsoft on the desktop
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[20:38] <sluckxz> i ran scalix for a while wasnt bad
[20:38] <antiwire> For a lot of small businesses I work with, Quickbooks and Quickbooks POS is the OSS deal breaker
[20:39] <antiwire> is/are
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[20:41] <eviljames> For sure!  I bet for the right amount of users Intuit would cave though.
[20:41] <dorin> so , if u start rtorrent with screen : ' screen -mdUS rtorent rtorrent' u can use ctrl+q when uyou reatach the screen ?
[20:42] <Reticenti> what does ctrl-q do?
[20:42] <deco> hmmmmm openbox + konsole is nice
[20:43] <dorin> Reticenti, it quits
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[20:43] <dorin> Reticenti, i can not use ctrl+s too (has no efect )
[20:43] <eviljames> you could do ctrl-a d to detach, which would make more sense to me.
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[20:44] <dorin> ctrl+a d for screen but ctrl+q is for rtorrent
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[20:56] <eviljames> dorin: you may have to tell screen to pass ctrl-q through, i dunno if it already uses that for something else..
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[21:00] <dorin> i do not know what coud be the porblem,because whne i use simple: screen rtorrent ; al works ok ...
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[21:02] <MLanden> Heya,folks.... How's everyone?
[21:02] <tripFantastic> hi
[21:02] <MLanden> tripFantastic: heya
[21:03] <dorin> hy MLanden
[21:03] <MLanden> dorin: heya
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[21:08] <dorin> eviljames it coud be the problem that i am connectet remotelty with ssh ?
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[21:09] <eviljames> dorin: could be.  all else fails, detach and kill(1)
[21:12] <dorin> <eviljames> do u knwo how can i change shortcuts in rtorrent
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[21:27] <pirving> can anyone fill me in on Chrome OS?  Is it really ubuntu??? why?
[21:27] <pirving> source is avail?
[21:27] <deco> pirving: google it
[21:27] <pirving> tried
[21:27] <pirving> not much there
[21:27] <deco> pirving: try again
[21:27] <pirving> I was wondering if anyone knows here
[21:27] <pirving> the ultimate search query ##slackware
[21:27] <karuna> checkout from the repository
[21:27] <pirving> it is linux isn't it???
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[21:28] <karuna> or you can use the image for vmware
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[21:28] <karuna> get it from pirate bay
[21:28] <pirving> nice choice
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[21:28] <pirving> vmware stand alone player?
[21:28] <thrice`> are you asking us why google chose ubuntu ?
[21:28] <pirving> yes
[21:28] <pirving> debian sucks my ass
[21:28] <thrice`> o_O
[21:28] <pirving> money
[21:28] <pirving> ?
[21:29] <pirving> debain = not stable
[21:29] <pirving> imho
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[21:29] <pirving> apt-get is gay
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[21:30] <pirving> (not that being gay is bad, but in this case it is)
[21:30] <deco> pirving: how old are you ?
[21:30] <pirving> 28
[21:30] <deco> pirving: act your age
[21:30] <pirving> shoe size
[21:30] <pirving> ok, so noone knows...I guess you guys answered my question
[21:30] <pirving> thank you
[21:30] <pirving> and good day
[21:31] <karuna> smell troll here
[21:31] <pirving> and it is all guys here
[21:31] <pirving> HA
[21:31] <pirving> take that in your pipe and smoke it
[21:31] <thrice`> smoke what?
[21:31] Action: pirving is a troll under the bridge
[21:31] <pirving> ...waiting......for ban......
[21:31] <thrice`> try jumping in the river instead, with a cement block around your ankel
[21:32] <thrice`> ankle*
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[21:32] <pirving> thrice: I love you too.  Lets unite together
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[21:32] <thrice`> maybe you should write google a really nasty letter.  that'll show 'em
[21:32] <pirving> the only problem I find with open source model is someone could introduce malicious code
[21:33] <pirving> cyber warfare from asia
[21:33] <antiwire> this is rad
[21:33] <thrice`> you are right pirving, we must be prepared
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[21:33] <thrice`> can you tell me how to secure myself ?
[21:33] <pirving> you better have a patch ready
[21:33] <antiwire> btw, It's flattering that someone like pirving feels the need to take time out of his day to come here like this.
[21:33] <Pig_Pen> pirving: i think your brain needs patched
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[21:34] <pirving> well, at least I would answer questions rather than being a dick
[21:34] <pirving> help newbies
[21:34] <thrice`> ask a slackware question, and we'll gladly help
[21:34] <pirving> don't act all "I'm mister know it all" "I'm better than anyone"
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[21:34] <pirving> ok, why isn't chrome os based on slackware?
[21:35] <thrice`> based on your input so far, we just assumed you weren't intelligent enough to get slackware installed
[21:35] <pirving> I've been running when you were crapping in diapers
[21:35] <gerrh> o_O
[21:35] <pirving> What year was ver 1.0 without looking at google??
[21:35] <pirving> quick
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[21:35] <pirving> quick
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[21:36] <pirving> flood ooops
[21:36] <antiwire> You planned that, right?
[21:36] <pirving> me?
[21:36] <thrice`> lolololol, g1 pirving
[21:36] <antiwire> riiight...
[21:36] <gerrh> trademark of the inexperienced
[21:36] <nachox> pirving, everything ok?
[21:36] <pirving> is it?
[21:36] <pirving> who has a question?
[21:36] <pirving> (about slackware)
[21:37] <jg71> what? questions? in here?
[21:37] <deco> i ate too many waffles today
[21:37] <pirving> My system seems pretty stable
[21:37] <gerrh> trademark of slackware
[21:37] <MLanden> deco: buttermilk? blueberry?...:P
[21:37] <gerrh> so if you got it in there somehow, expect nothing less unless you got faulty or unsupported (ha) hardware
[21:37] <deco> MLanden: nah plain with some chocolate syrup :P
[21:37] <pirving> I can kick it, bite my system and it still keeps on blinking
[21:38] <jg71> <pirving> My system seems pretty stable <--- once heard that statement from a winblows user back in the old days. next he stated "i just have to install once a month."
[21:38] <pirving> Thats why I want to try chrome os....because I think it will jump the winblows people to linux
[21:38] <pirving> ok, I'm promoting open source which is our aim
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[21:39] <antiwire> It's not my aim
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[21:39] <cmk_zzz> everything is relative. for example, if I kick and bite my system I expect it to moan and ask for more, not keep on blinking
[21:39] <pirving> we can't keep it to geek selfes any longer
[21:39] <thrice`> you said, to quote "debian sucks my ass"
[21:39] <pirving> it does
[21:39] <antiwire> My aim to to support what people want to use. That's how this whole industry works.
[21:39] <pirving> so what
[21:39] <thrice`> how is that remotel positive at all ?
[21:39] <antiwire> to to/to
[21:39] <gerrh> pirving, exactly
[21:39] <pirving> promotion = unify the world
[21:39] <pirving> 2012
[21:39] <gerrh> promotion = talking to deaf ears
[21:40] <gerrh> people enjoy living with shit
[21:40] <jg71> 2012 just means wet pants
[21:40] <pirving> am I talking greek
[21:40] <deco> greek ?
[21:40] <pirving> 2012 means unity in conciousness
[21:40] <pirving> men from greece
[21:40] <gerrh> 2012 in mayan terms already happened
[21:40] <gerrh> so no luck there
[21:40] <MLanden> deco: good choice of topping....usually have it that way when I care for Belgian waffles with fresh whipped cream
[21:40] <jg71> lobotomy?
[21:40] <antiwire> This is getting way to lame for even me.
[21:40] <antiwire> too*
[21:40] <thrice`> ditto
[21:40] <deco> MLanden: mmmmm tasty
[21:41] <nachox> i am reading but i am not understanding anything
[21:41] <pirving> You are all non-spiritual agnostic nilists
[21:41] <hitest> hiya MLanden
[21:41] <pirving> anarchists
[21:41] <antiwire> nachox: Don't worry, you aren't missing anything of value.
[21:41] <MLanden> heya,hitest
[21:41] <pirving> etc
[21:41] <jg71> et al. etc is so old skool
[21:41] <hiptobecubic> goddamn i am bored.
[21:41] <gerrh> pirving, thank god for that ^^
[21:41] <pirving> linux = save the world
[21:41] <pirving> before we get hit with a meteor
[21:41] <nachox> i think someone is drunk
[21:41] <hitest> MLanden:  I've pulled up a chair and am enjoying the show:)
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[21:42] Action: pirving is sobor as a judge....well not all judges
[21:42] <hitest> sober
[21:42] Action: fire|bird hands hitest a bucket of popcorn.
[21:42] <MLanden> lol,hitest....quite a spectacle for the ${time_of_day}...:D
[21:42] <pirving> *sober
[21:42] <nachox> i can see that
[21:42] <pirving> dinner and a movie
[21:43] <pirving> You can't toss me away like some ignorant fuck because I wouldn't be here to begin with
[21:43] <hitest> ty fire|bird.....nom, nom, nom
[21:43] <fire|bird> you're welcome :)
[21:43] <pirving> really guys who uses irc other than geeks
[21:44] <gerrh> trolls
[21:44] <pirving> flamers like me?
[21:44] <cmk_zzz> criminals?
[21:44] <pirving> gay people?
[21:44] <nachox> i'm getting annoyed at this
[21:44] <Pig_Pen> dont forget t3h trolls!
[21:44] <pirving> ok, you want me gone
[21:44] <pirving> you have your wish
[21:44] <pirving> good day I love you all
[21:44] <pirving> remember that
[21:44] <pirving> d
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[21:44] <pirving> d
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[21:44] <cmk_zzz> not me
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[21:45] <antiwire> He'll be back. He always comes back.
[21:45] <hitest> yeah
[21:45] <gerrh> odd fella that one
[21:45] <nachox> and i didnt even had to kick him
[21:45] <nachox> i'll get my wish in time
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[21:47] <antiwire> Did my client just quit normally or was it something different?
[21:47] <antiwire> KDE just restarted
[21:47] <hiptobecubic> normal
[21:47] <antiwire> weird
[21:47] <nachox> i wonder what he came to do here, bash debian and wash down the beer with random talk?
[21:47] <hiptobecubic> maybe he wanted to build torcs but it kept failing :(
[21:47] <gerrh> probably had a rough childhood
[21:48] <antiwire> I had KDE effects enabled and three windows minimized. I had Firefox opened with hulu up and when I clicked the panel to bring up a minimized window my screen went black and KDE came back up to the login screen.
[21:48] <antiwire> gg nvidia driver
[21:48] <gerrh> atleast it returned to login. :p
[21:49] <deco> antiwire: kde 4.2 ?
[21:49] <fire|bird> antiwire: I've had that happen before too.
[21:49] <antiwire> 4.3.3 but nvidia driver 190.42
[21:49] <deco> k
[21:49] Action: deco uses openbox , doesn't want all the bloat
[21:49] Action: deco hides
[21:49] <gerrh> :>
[21:50] <hiptobecubic> deco, s/bloat/features/
[21:50] <deco> hiptobecubic: i'm using konsole actually with openbox :P
[21:50] <deco> great combo
[21:50] <hiptobecubic> <3 xfce
[21:50] <hiptobecubic> it isn't perfect, but it does what i want
[21:50] <deco> yup
[21:50] <gerrh> <3 fluxbox
[21:51] <hiptobecubic> fluxbox on the other hand...
[21:51] <deco> i live in konsole now
[21:51] <gerrh> :D
[21:51] <hiptobecubic> deco, why konsole and not urxvt?
[21:51] <karuna> yakuake
[21:51] Action: hitest loves xfce and fluxbox
[21:51] <hiptobecubic> i never understood the appeal of yakuake
[21:51] <deco> hiptobecubic: more features
[21:52] Action: hitest wanders off for dinner...bbl
[21:52] <MLanden> openbox and lxde are a good combo
[21:52] <hiptobecubic> Well what the hell. Torcs just built. I wonder why it didn't last night
[21:52] <fire|bird> later hitest, enjoy. :)
[21:52] <cmk_zzz> wmii is the only thing you need
[21:52] <hiptobecubic> MLanden, why lxde over xfce?
[21:52] <deco> lighter
[21:52] <hitest> later, fire|bird, MLanden
[21:52] <MLanden> later,hitest
[21:52] <hitest> :)
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[21:53] <Pig_Pen> i like rox filer to draw the desktop icons & wallpaper, it goes good with lots of window managers, fvwm, openbox, etc...
[21:53] <deco> i ate 7 waffles today
[21:53] <deco> Pig_Pen: yeah, light for window managers
[21:53] <Pig_Pen> if you flattened those waffles out deco they would make about 4 pancakes
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[21:54] <deco> Pig_Pen: heh no wonder i'm still hungry :P
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[21:54] <MLanden> hiptobecubic: it is nice light gtk alternative
[21:55] <Pig_Pen> i gotta eat something before bed, otherwise i wake up in the middle of the night hungry
[21:55] <deco> same with me
[21:55] <Pig_Pen> usually peanutbutter sandwiches or a bowl of cold cerial & milk on it
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[21:56] <hiptobecubic> I'm not sure about flux
[21:57] <akrz> openbox is good with tint2
[21:57] <akrz> tint2 is like the slitbar in fluxbox but it's nicer
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[21:58] <nfoadikt> hey guys new here
[21:58] <twolf> nfoadikt: welcome
[21:58] <MLanden> there are some nice features with tint2
[21:58] <nfoadikt> new to linux too
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[21:58] <nfoadikt> thanks twolf
[21:59] <nfoadikt> so anyone wanna convice me to switch from ubuntu to slack :p
[21:59] <hiptobecubic> maybe i'll finally bother to set up fluxbox
[21:59] <hiptobecubic> TODAY IS THAT DAY
[22:00] <hiptobecubic> nfoadikt, probably not.
[22:00] <akrz> Slackware is alot faster/more stable than Ubuntu but Slackware takes work/knowledge to configure
[22:00] <antiwire> My priving sense is tingly
[22:00] <akrz> Honestly if you use Ubuntu, Slackware isn't for you
[22:00] <antiwire> I told you he'd be back
[22:00] <hiptobecubic> antiwire, lol
[22:00] Action: frullet just consolidated his job position :)
[22:00] <hiptobecubic> akrz, that may not be true
[22:00] <nfoadikt> I don't mind work
[22:00] <hiptobecubic> frullet, as in more work for you?
[22:00] <nfoadikt> I'm a programer at heart
[22:00] <hiptobecubic> nfoadikt, then sure. do it.
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[22:01] <nfoadikt> how much faster would you say?
[22:01] <velusip> then again... you can waste a lot of time configuring that could be better being profitable.
[22:01] <frullet> hiptobecubic: Vaguely, its my first *real* job :)
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[22:01] <hiptobecubic> nfoadikt, it's slower.... unless you don't count time setting things up
[22:01] <velusip> grammar failure
[22:01] <antiwire> nfoadikt: an you say --omgz-optimized ?
[22:01] <hiptobecubic> frullet, nice. doing what?
[22:01] <nfoadikt> lol
[22:01] <antiwire> can
[22:01] <akrz> yeah if you factor in the time it takes to configure Slackware it takes a long time
[22:02] <akrz> but in terms of daily usage/performance it is much faster than ubuntu
[22:02] <nfoadikt> I really got intrested in linux once I seen its power on the palm pre
[22:02] <cmk_zzz> "much faster" being relative of course
[22:02] <velusip> akrz, then again, for simple server tasks, slack has been one of the fastest from mine experience.  Just grab some letters and you're done!
[22:02] <nfoadikt> that's how I'm connected here :)
[22:02] <hiptobecubic> akrz, nfoadikt unless you set it up like ubuntu, which you can if you want. faster depends on your software
[22:02] <frullet> hiptobecubic: Just a trainee position consisting of network / linux support for an insurance company. ( I only just finished high school )
[22:02] <antiwire> I have to say that this was at least a decent troll attempt. Not exactly professional troll material but much better than the normal attempts in here.
[22:03] <nfoadikt> well I do some hobby programing
[22:03] <velusip> The slowest setting up I've used has been arch, but it's nice anyway.
[22:03] <nfoadikt> web design ect ect
[22:03] <akrz> slackware doesn't have the nice package repositories like Ubuntu/Debian or portage like Gentoo, which is the only thing that gets to me at times
[22:03] <nfoadikt> really worth the extra effort?
[22:03] <hiptobecubic> frullet, lucky you. I can't even get a job at wal-mart here. just finished undergrad.
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[22:03] <hiptobecubic> i failed their psychological profiling :)
[22:04] <thrice`> nfoadikt, the great thing is that both are available for free - try 'em both out :)
[22:04] <akrz> it depends really on what you use your pc for, i guess. i use my desktop as a workstation
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[22:04] <frullet> hiptobecubic: I guess it would be difficult to consolidate a job in the US given the economic climate and all..
[22:04] <hiptobecubic> akrz, there's sbopkg. that's like portage kind of... but it works
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[22:04] <hiptobecubic> frullet, where are you?
[22:04] <cmk_zzz> yeah. set it up in a vm to start with, when you feel comfortable just do it. No point arguing about it.
[22:04] <antiwire> Since you started with variant of "which is better Slackware or Ubuntu" you get modded down for lack of creativity however mentioning the Palm Pre and Linux at the same time really made this interesting. Much better than the day to day attempts so I give you 8/10
[22:04] <nfoadikt> yeah imma dual boot I guess or run it in a vm
[22:04] <frullet> hiptobecubic: Australia
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[22:05] <dchmelik> now that there is a Slackware64, how about making Slackware aleph-64?
[22:05] <nfoadikt> lol you play with a pre yet antiwire ?
[22:05] <akrz> does sbopkg support x86_64?
[22:05] <hiptobecubic> nfoadikt, dump it in qemu first. See if you can get it usable. If you can, then just copy your configs and install it native.
[22:05] <hiptobecubic> akrz, yes.
[22:05] <akrz> emerde is out there too, emerde is like portage for slackware but ive never used it
[22:05] <dchmelik> akrz: I think so, I have used it and made packages for it
[22:06] <hiptobecubic> sounds too much like emmerder :) (français)
[22:07] <akrz> ill have to checkout sbopkg sometime
[22:07] <nfoadikt> well guys imma tell you my idea then you tell me which distros would be best, cool?
[22:07] <hiptobecubic> akrz, it's a must.  www.sbopkg.org and slackbuilds.org
[22:07] <thrice`> sure :>
[22:07] <hiptobecubic> thrice`, lol
[22:07] <akrz> yeah i already use slackbuilds.org
[22:08] <akrz> what happened to linuxpackages.net? did it go down forever?
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[22:08] <hiptobecubic> akrz, who knows. i don't use them ever.
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[22:09] <BP{k}> akrz: one can only hope ;)
[22:09] <akrz> ive used them before
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[22:10] <nfoadikt> I would like to turn my old p 3 box I'd like to turn into a ftp got a good distro for Me?
[22:10] <akrz> slackware, lol.
[22:10] <nfoadikt> I think it might have 256 mb of ram twice
[22:10] <nfoadikt> tops* not twice lol
[22:10] <antiwire> uh so..512?
[22:10] <nfoadikt> sleepy lol
[22:10] <akrz> use slackware 9.1 on it
[22:10] <antiwire> ok
[22:10] <cmk_zzz> nfoadict: any headless distro will do
[22:11] <nfoadikt> yeah that's good for ftp?
[22:11] <akrz> linux is always good for ftp :P
[22:11] <nfoadikt> just want acess to my files n e where
[22:11] <antiwire> This is getting good now.
[22:11] <BP{k}> akrz: why recommend slackware 9.1?
[22:11] <antiwire> This might end up being a 9/10 troll
[22:11] <nfoadikt> who Mellar ?
[22:11] <nfoadikt> I mean me
[22:11] <akrz> slackware 9.1 rocks for a pentium 3 :)
[22:11] <karuna> 10.x work fine on p3
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[22:12] <akrz> if you're using a p3 you may aswell use 2.4 kernel :)
[22:12] <BP{k}> akrz: please stop sprouting nonsense.
[22:13] <akrz> how is it nonsense?
[22:13] <BP{k}> because newer version of slackware run just as fine on a PIII or on even lesser hardware.
[22:13] <nachox> as long as you use something that is actually supported...
[22:14] <thrice`> there's a chance newer versions might run better, even :)
[22:14] <BP{k}> I have run slackware-12.2 just fine on both PII and PIII based machines.
[22:14] <nfoadikt> nah I'm just gonna get a huge hd
[22:14] <nfoadikt> two externals for backup
[22:14] <akrz> everyone has opinions
[22:14] <nfoadikt> or maybe one tb drive
[22:14] Action: akrz shrugs
[22:14] <hiptobecubic> antiwire, :D
[22:14] <nfoadikt> nd setup a ftp
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[22:15] <nfoadikt> so slack is cool for that?
[22:15] <MLanden> 12.2's stock kernel's good with the older intel video cards as well(glcore vs gem)
[22:15] <hiptobecubic> nfoadikt, if you're seriously asking whether or not slackware is capable of acting as a home ftp-server, then yes.
[22:15] <hiptobecubic> nfoadikt, winME could do what you're talking about.
[22:16] <antiwire> Ya'll postin' in a troll thread.
[22:16] <thrice`> antiwire, actually, the only troll things I've seen are your 4-5 comments about trolls :>
[22:16] <antiwire> thrice`: That's not accurate. I'm actually meta-trolling
[22:16] <antiwire> trolling a troll, you see
[22:17] <cmk_zzz> some ppl enjoy feeding the ducks, other feed the troll. same entertainment level
[22:17] <twolf> both taste good bbq'd
[22:17] <cmk_zzz> i bet they do
[22:18] <hiptobecubic> I enjoy 'trolls'
[22:18] <karuna> nah, troll crunchier
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[22:18] <hiptobecubic> If it weren't for them we'd have no standards of etiquette at all
[22:18] <antiwire> nfoadikt knows though. This round really has been stimulating.
[22:18] <hiptobecubic> Not to mention there'd be nothing to talk about.
[22:19] <hiptobecubic> ... see?
[22:20] <cmk_zzz> how about this freebsd 7? can I use that as an ftp?
[22:20] <antiwire> lol
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[22:20] <antiwire> cmk_zzz: NO, but 8 will have that feature set.
[22:20] <nfoadikt> I don't get it, antiwire
[22:20] <nfoadikt> I'm not tryin to troll
[22:20] <antiwire> nfoadikt: I know, I know ;) wink wink
[22:20] <cmk_zzz> hmmm, yeah I guess linus hasn't written the drivers for it
[22:21] <hiptobecubic> antiwire, :D
[22:21] <akrz> lol
[22:21] <karuna> nfoadikt: because right before you we have a troll that kicked out
[22:21] <nfoadikt> ooo
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[22:22] <antiwire> asking if a Linux distribution can be an ftp server is like asking if a car can drive down the road. If the car can't drive down the road, it is broken or missing some parts, sort of talk.
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[22:22] <asarch> What is the command to downgrade an ext3 partition to ext2 version?
[22:22] Nick change: akber -> init[1]
[22:22] <asarch> Is it possible to change the inode size?
[22:23] <thrice`> mmm, I don't think so, but may be wrong / too lazy to look
[22:23] <nfoadikt> ah I c
[22:24] <nfoadikt> I'm just new man, oh so tired of microsoft ruining things
[22:24] <thrice`> asarch, ok, I searched:  http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html
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[22:26] <hiptobecubic> nfoadikt, windows can make a fine ftp server. thousands of companies use it.
[22:27] <karuna> nfoadikt: http://slackbook.org/
[22:27] <nfoadikt> yeh but windows is ummm windows
[22:28] <nfoadikt> so tired of it
[22:29] <hiptobecubic> nfoadikt, don't hate something just to hate it.
[22:29] <nfoadikt> nah I have many reasons
[22:30] <cmk_zzz> nfoadikt: just install any linux distribution in a virtual machine and try it out. It is that simple. Make sure you find equivalent application in linux as you are running in windows and then make a decision
[22:31] <nfoadikt> already did I run xp in vm if I really really need it
[22:32] <nfoadikt> gonna do the same for slack to get the hang of it
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[22:32] <nachox> night all
[22:32] <hiptobecubic> nfoadikt, why not just stay with ubuntu?
[22:32] <hitest> night nachox
[22:32] <MLanden> night, nachox
[22:32] <fire|bird> night nachox
[22:32] <deco> night nachox
[22:33] <init[1]> night nachox :P
[22:33] <init[1]> wow
[22:33] <nfoadikt> honestly, I like to learn
[22:33] <init[1]> nightx5
[22:33] <nfoadikt> nd I hear its the most powerful distro
[22:33] <init[1]> nfoadikt: you at the right place
[22:33] <init[1]> s/at/are/
[22:33] <karuna> nfoadikt: just try it first
[22:34] <cmk_zzz> there is no such thing as a "most powerful" distro. Either it suits you or it doesn't
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[22:34] <cmk_zzz> that say there are lots of "least powerful" distros
[22:34] <hitest> nfoadikt: take your time. enjoy. read up on the slackbook. I think you'll like slackware:)
[22:35] <init[1]> nfoadikt: Slackware doesn't have any policy that is why most of us like it ulike ubuntu / debian
[22:35] <nfoadikt> maybe I worded that wrong
[22:35] <init[1]> unlike
[22:35] <nfoadikt> policy?
[22:35] <init[1]> ah,
[22:35] <init[1]> nfoadikt: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
[22:35] <init[1]> ^^
[22:37] <karuna> nfoadikt: actually some say slackware have steep learning curve, but after you master slackware, you can operate almost any linux distro
[22:37] <init[1]> indeed^
[22:37] <nfoadikt> hmm lemme read
[22:37] <cmk_zzz> compare this to: http://slackware.com/policy
[22:37] <init[1]> cmk_zzz: lol
[22:38] <nfoadikt> hahah
[22:38] <nfoadikt> slack has no policy huh
[22:38] <init[1]> nfoadikt: getting us ?
[22:38] <nfoadikt> sure am
[22:39] <nfoadikt> slack is something I'll deff learn
[22:39] <init[1]> nfoadikt: if you plan to learn ,then learning != using gui (ubu[nut])
[22:40] <karuna> my company policy: ubuntu <ughh> but slack will always be my fav
[22:40] <hiptobecubic> karuna, yeah i don't know about that really. I think after you master slackware you can operate any 'vanilla' distro... but it's not like learning slackware helps you solve crazy ubuntu/fedora problems.
[22:41] <hiptobecubic> karuna, what company is this?
[22:41] <nfoadikt> terminal doesn't scare me
[22:41] <hitest> good
[22:41] <nfoadikt> I grew up on a 286 with nothing but a dos prompt :)
[22:41] <cmk_zzz> hiptobecubic: well, it used to be the base. I'm not comfortable operating the modern distros. There's plenty voodoo magic in there
[22:41] <hiptobecubic> amen
[22:41] <cmk_zzz> base = case
[22:42] <hiptobecubic> cmk_zzz, right.
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[22:46] <init[1]> imo , KDE rust slacker skills isn't it ?
[22:46] <thrice`> why is that?
[22:47] <nfoadikt> ight night guys ull be seein me around
[22:47] <init[1]> thrice`: too much of GUIying
[22:48] <thrice`> see ya nfoadikt, good luck :)
[22:48] <hitest> night nfoadikt
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[22:48] <MLanden> night nfoadikt.. hope you ave a good experience with slackware
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[22:49] <deco> hmmmm i don't think that guy was a troll really
[22:49] <BP{k}> unlike init[1] ;)
[22:49] <deco> :D
[22:50] <hiptobecubic> he's asking legit noob questions in ##linux. if he's a troll then he really puts his heart into it
[22:50] <antiwire> fair enough
[22:50] <antiwire> Captain, troll shields down.
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[22:51] <hitest> aye sir
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[22:51] <init[1]> BP{k}: ah !
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[22:52] <init[1]> BP{k}: did you see that link in ##slackofftopic ?
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[22:54] <CornfedHonky> Anyone know of a versions of GParted Live CD that works with 64 bit systems?
[22:54] <Reticenti> can someone kill me
[22:54] <hiptobecubic> CornfedHonky, what?
[22:54] <Reticenti> i have to write a 10 page paper on c++ templates
[22:54] <CornfedHonky> I could, for the right price...
[22:54] <thrice`> what does ARCH have to do with a gparted iso ?
[22:55] <thrice`> I mean, it doesn't install anything, does it?  shouldn't matter, really
[22:55] <CornfedHonky> Well, I'm not sure but on the d/l page it says it's for x86 systems
[22:55] <CornfedHonky> so it has me paranoid
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[22:55] <hiptobecubic> x86_64 includes x86
[22:55] <hiptobecubic> in fact, it's the first three characters of it.
[22:55] <CornfedHonky> hmmm a very valid point
[22:55] <CornfedHonky> so you dont think it will make a difference?
[22:55] <CornfedHonky> Sorry im kind of a noob
[22:56] <matsuura> I have no faith in you
[22:56] <thrice`> no, it shouldn't; it matters for when you install items onto it, but not for the creation of the partitions, etc
[22:56] <CornfedHonky> That makes two of us my friend.
[22:56] <CornfedHonky> Thanks for the info guys. =)
[22:56] <hiptobecubic> CornfedHonky, if you are booting from the cd it will be fine. If you are running a 32bit app from a 64bit environment, you need a bunch of extra stuff
[22:56] <CornfedHonky> gotcha
[22:57] <CornfedHonky> ya im just using it to split my partition so i can dualboot slackware 13 and win 7
[22:58] <thrice`> ok, running from a liveCD, it won't know anything about the architecture
[22:58] <hiptobecubic> CornfedHonky, if it's a blank hd, you can do your partitioning from either installer i'm sure.
[22:58] <thrice`> what will matter, though, is when you go to install slackware, you choose the ARCH you want
[22:58] <CornfedHonky> It's not b lank
[22:58] <CornfedHonky> I have 7 installed already
[22:58] <matsuura> why?
[22:58] <hiptobecubic> CornfedHonky, on the whole disk or did you parition it before hand and leave some blank space?
[22:58] <CornfedHonky> ya i got the 64bit arch slackware so i think i should be good there =)
[22:59] <CornfedHonky> nope, no blank space =(
[22:59] <CornfedHonky> thats what i was gonna use the livecd for? unless im completely off-base
[22:59] <hiptobecubic> rats. Well gparted it is then.
[22:59] <thrice`> CornfedHonky, nope, good plan :>
[22:59] <nyRednek> CornfedHonky: slackware, livecd?
[22:59] <hiptobecubic> nyRednek, take a minute to read.
[22:59] <CornfedHonky> In all fairness my plan came from Reticenti...im much too noob to come up with it haha
[23:00] <CornfedHonky> No slackware 13 dvd is burned, but i have to use gparted livecd to get some free space to partition
[23:00] <nyRednek> hiptobecubic: my bad
[23:00] <antiwire> Donnie!
[23:01] <CornfedHonky> I used jkdefrag to move everything to the begininng of the disk but win 7 "shrink" function still doesn't work correctly
[23:01] <CornfedHonky> so livecd it is =)
[23:02] <MLanden> antiwire: lol....Just Shoot Me's Donnie?
[23:03] <antiwire> donnie from the big lebowski
[23:04] <antiwire> "you're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know" lol
[23:04] <MLanden> lol... http://shop.comics.nl/catalog/images/donnie.jpg
[23:05] <eviljames> No, Donnie, these men are nihilists.  nothing to be afraid of...
[23:05] <antiwire> lol
[23:06] <eviljames> anybody here use/build cinelerra?
[23:07] <antiwire> I was going to but it's deps are daunting
[23:07] <antiwire> its omg i did it...
[23:07] <antiwire> i can't believe I did that.
[23:07] <antiwire> someone kick me now.
[23:08] <antiwire> I deserve to be kicked for that.
[23:08] <eviljames> looks like it depends mostly on ffmpeg
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[23:08] <eviljames> many of those other deps are also for ffmpeg, so with the correct build order it shouldn't be that bad.
[23:08] <byteframe> Is 'At', 'Or' or 'On, worthy of de-capitalization in titles?
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[23:09] <MLanden> for what app,byteframe?
[23:09] <byteframe> MLanden, it's for filenames of video files.
[23:10] <eviljames> Only then if it doesn't appear at the beginning of the title.
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[23:12] <eviljames> and, also, for your favorite movie Bring It On you should keep the capitalization or it doesn't make sense.
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[23:12] <byteframe> eviljames, I should have mentioned 'in' which is think is also able. On im on the fence about "On" in some cases.
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[23:18] <Pig_Pen> i dont think i will ever build or buy another desktop PC, i am going to stick to laptops, lightweight & portable & built in wifi
[23:18] <eviljames> not enough horsepower.
[23:18] <thrice`> horsepower for what? :)
[23:19] <deco> thrice`: compiling!
[23:19] <byteframe> Thinkpad's best laptops.
[23:19] <deco> :P
[23:19] <eviljames> lots of things.  video editing, for example.
[23:19] <eviljames> recording many tracks of music is another.
[23:20] <thrice`> my core2duo holds up OK, I guess
[23:20] <eviljames> yeah, mine holds up for most stuff, but try editing a large video file.. choke choke choke.
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[23:21] <thrice`> and cpu is the killer?
[23:21] <eviljames> all of it.
[23:21] <eviljames> cpu, ram constraints, slow disk drive
[23:21] <sluckxz> i have 5 hard drives in my main tower
[23:22] <sluckxz> maybe usb3 will change things with externals.
[23:23] <sluckxz> sorry after reading the crappy comments on this i wanted to do something else immediately
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[23:23] <sluckxz> http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/a7for/i_found_child_pornography_on_my_friends_computer/
[23:24] <LSD`> sluckxz: USB3 and SATA 6Gb/s are largely pointless until SSDs become more affordable
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[23:26] <sluckxz> my point was my standard internal satas scream compared to any external i have used. and i have a hd cam and edit hd.  just backin up eviljames
[23:26] <Pig_Pen> laters, sleepytime
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[23:27] <LSD`> sluckxz: Yeah, USB2 is pretty crap for that sort of thing. Firewire or eSATA are much better options. USB3 won't be a magic bullet though, SSDs will be hte only thigns able to push that kind of speed and it'll be a while before they become affordable enough to make it all worthwhile.
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[23:29] <sluckxz> yet another fine point for a tower and a netbook i dont own a netbook but after this lappy dies i might not replace it.  plus my home is 802.11g which is painful.
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[23:31] <sluckxz> considering everything with a cord is gigabit i end up using a usb stick to much because of my laptop
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[23:37] <sluckxz> throughput does remind me though,  when i start to spec myself new machines i always look long and hard at hardware raid cards.  i always end up cheaping out on one.
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[23:40] <hitest> night all
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[23:41] <MLanden> night hitest
[23:41] <hitest> night MLanden
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[23:45] <mrselfpwn> MLanden: hey
[23:46] <MLanden> mrselfpwn: heya
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[23:46] <mrselfpwn> you ever heard of c99.php or c99shell.php?
[23:47] <jeronimo_> [   42.535196] eth2: no link during initialization.
[23:47] <jeronimo_> [   42.538997] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth2: link is not ready
[23:47] <jeronimo_> what is that
[23:47] <acidtripper> someone there which is the best method to resize ext4 partiton?
[23:48] <tuxdev> jeronimo_, that looks like it thinks there's nothing plugged into eth2 on bootup, whatever eth2 is
[23:48] <mrselfpwn> acidtripper: I have used partedmagick livecd with success in the past.
[23:48] <jeronimo_> tuxdev: how can i stop it
[23:48] <acidtripper> mm im downloading gparted slackbuild, i will try it..
[23:48] <mrselfpwn> i use it just because it's easy
[23:48] <tuxdev> "stop"?  I think it should be just a one-time boot message
[23:49] <tuxdev> and nothing abnormal
[23:49] <tuxdev> well, it can happen more if you use wicd
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[23:50] <acidtripper> gparted from sf downloading at 2kb/s :S. gone to put more 7up con my glass
[23:50] <mrselfpwn> good idea
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[23:51] <mrselfpwn> partedmagick downloads very quickly if I may add
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[23:51] <acidtripper> is partition magick?
[23:52] <acidtripper> the idea was to use it under slack couse i dont have any amty cd here :P
[23:52] <mrselfpwn> partedmagick
[23:52] <mrselfpwn> :)
[23:53] <mrselfpwn> i do different things to work around no cdrom
[23:53] <acidtripper> emty*
[23:53] <acidtripper> how?
[23:53] <jeronimo_> tuxdev: how do get the message go away
[23:53] <acidtripper> but gparted should go fine!
[23:53] <antiwire> good god someone shoot me with a tranquilizer now
[23:54] <tuxdev> jeronimo_, what really do you hope to accomplish by that?
[23:54] <sluckxz> resize2fs 1.41.8 comes installed on Slack13
[23:54] Action: fire|bird aims a tranquilizer dart at antiwire
[23:54] <mrselfpwn> acidtripper: what do you mean; how?
[23:55] Action: mrselfpwn shoots antiwire.
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[23:55] <tuxdev> there *might* be an argument you can pass to the driver, but otherwise you'd have to recompile the kernel and hack the driver
[23:55] <mrselfpwn> with fire|bird's dart.
[23:55] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: he said tranquilize him, not shoot him. :P
[23:55] <jeronimo_> tuxdev: ok
[23:55] Action: antiwire goes *plop*
[23:55] <fire|bird> mrselfpwn: and how dare you steal my dart. :(
[23:55] <acidtripper> i do different...
[23:55] <mrselfpwn> you can shoot a tranq
[23:55] <fire|bird> :P
[23:56] <mrselfpwn> because you left it open for the grabbing.
[23:56] <mrselfpwn> i don't like to tempt
[23:56] Action: fire|bird shoots mrselfpwn,  with another dart.
[23:56] <acidtripper> couse i dont want to use live
[23:56] <mrselfpwn> i've seen what some hackers have done to others
[23:56] <acidtripper> but gparted have some dependencies
[23:56] <akrz> wow sbopkg is awesome
[23:57] <acidtripper> so i will have to spent some time compilling it
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[23:59] <acidtripper> akrz, to what sbopkg are you refering?
[23:59] <sluckxz> the app i think
[23:59] <akrz> the program sbopkg. the slackbuilds app.
[23:59] <sluckxz> and yes it rocks
[23:59] <akrz> i didnt know about it until just now lol
[23:59] <fire|bird> acidtripper: sbopkg.org
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