[00:00] keres (n=keres@68.102.140.120) left irc: "Leaving" [00:01] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [00:01] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:02] ezr (n=jpb@97-80-124-147.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) left irc: "leaving" [00:03] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:03] people from my lug think that slackware is living in the past :p [00:04] what lug are you part of? [00:04] and to say that slackware is for people who want to learn internal workings of linux, is farfetched [00:04] cryptic0: let me guess they're all debianista's and ubuntus? [00:04] BP{k}, yes! [00:04] hahahaha [00:04] I am having fun with them [00:05] they think slackware has some bastardish version of package management which no one keeps updated [00:05] lol [00:05] s/ubuntus/ubuntards/ ;) [00:05] yeah, my lug is all debian/ubuntu too [00:05] anyway [00:05] most lugs are I suppose. [00:06] to quote one dude: and adhering to old ass bsd principles is definitly not making it a modern linux [00:07] I just recently moved here and I went to their first monthly meeting. They're all college kids [00:07] half of them were blabbering among themselves while the speaker was trying to get people's attention [00:08] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [00:08] pretty lame for a university this size [00:08] mikl0 (n=mikl0@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:08] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. 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[00:43] mrpawnage: no idea, I can't be arsed visiting manlug (my local lug) [00:44] ah [00:44] my local lug is about 3-4 hours away [00:44] and since it's still not legal for me to shoot dumb people .. or people in general ;) [00:44] yes indeed [00:45] you can always imagine though. :) [00:45] would kill a few more headaches than aspirin [00:46] well I have to be honest .. I prefer stabbing them with a wooden spoon. [00:48] grazymax (n=grazymax@host35-159-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:48] oh yes, though I find that too primative. [00:48] i like a good steel blade [00:50] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-34-173.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: "Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug." [00:50] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [00:51] hm agreed there is something to be said for a katana. 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[01:03] grumpf [01:03] errr, morning [01:03] hehe, morning Camarade_Tux [01:03] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:04] y0 Camarade_Tux [01:06] yoyo BP{k}, morning fire|bird [01:06] who wants a google voice invite ? [01:07] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:08] who tf doesn't care? [01:08] say I [01:09] BP{k}: what time is it where you are? [01:09] can I have the phone that goes with the googl voice invite? =) [01:09] hehe [01:09] giuppy (n=giuppy@87.13.167.231) joined ##slackware. [01:10] mrpawnage: it's 05:09UTC [01:11] local time is one hour later. [01:11] i'm 1:11 US EASERN [01:11] t^ [01:12] so UTC is your current time? [01:13] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@81.57.177.108) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [01:13] http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/10/time-warner-cable/ [01:13] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [01:13] "Warner had hidden administrative functions from its customers with Javascript code. By simply disabling Javascript in his browser, he was able to see those functions, which included a tool to dump the routers configuration file." [01:13] "That file, it turned out, included the administrative login and password in cleartext." [01:13] help ='( [01:14] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:14] BP{k}: ? [01:15] Action: chopp remotes Camarade_Tux's router. :P [01:15] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [01:15] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:16] mrpawnage: no. read what I said ;) [01:16] BP{k}: aye, i missed the one hour later part [01:17] couldn [01:17] you have just stated your local time on the other hand? [01:18] i'd be much more comfortable with a country code [01:21] init[1] (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. 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I didnt know the chinese spoke japanese [01:37] "the more you know" [01:37] **flying star going over words** [01:37] kanjii looks pretty much the same, but you're right - japanese actually is a little different [01:37] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:37] just like french and english look pretty much the same, right? [01:37] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:37] not exactly :) [01:37] ha [01:37] and russian and english look the same, right/ [01:38] definitely different there [01:38] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:38] but it's been 20 years since I've been to either place [01:38] kanji and chinese are completly different too [01:38] Axius (n=fd@92.84.14.159) joined ##slackware. [01:38] do they use the same alphabet? [01:38] no [01:39] mandarian uses symbols, kanji uses an alphabet [01:39] although china keeps insisting that hong kong is part of their providence [01:39] it is though [01:39] the british gave it up a while ago [01:39] ah [01:39] wollw (n=wollw4@75-101-22-68.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [01:39] they did. [01:39] I was around when they gave it up - I was under the impression that hong kong became independent [01:40] not just transfer of government [01:40] ah, it's sorta independent [01:40] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:41] it's kinda like the washington dc of china [01:41] strankan` (n=user@c-decd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [01:42] but also has the powers of our state governements [01:42] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:42] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:43] as i understand it at least [01:44] mrpawnage: yes, I could have done that, but what is the fun in that? [01:44] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [01:44] ienh (n=ienh@ARennes-353-1-72-221.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "leaving" [01:47] blackorca (n=blackorc@68-245-232-19.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [01:47] hey Reticenti [01:49] BP{k}: Fedora 12 Beta + 3 days = 254 updates. I <3 Slackware. :P [01:49] Axius (n=fd@92.84.14.159) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:49] mikl0 (n=mikl0@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:49] sahk0 (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-91.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:50] fire|bird: What in the name of hades... [01:51] Axius (n=fd@92.84.14.159) joined ##slackware. [01:51] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [01:51] morning slackers =) [01:52] BP{k}: hahahaha, I have Fedora on a spare drive, been trying it out. :P [01:53] fire|bird: no I meant .. what have they been doing that they need 254 updates in 3 days [01:53] _MaggoT_ (n=maggot@125.161.208.55) joined ##slackware. [01:54] sahk0 (n=sahko@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:54] <_MaggoT_> hello all :) [01:56] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Client Quit [01:56] elderK (n=zk@222-152-10-74.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. 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[02:06] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) joined ##slackware. [02:07] How to start gpm mouse server? [02:08] Axius: /etc/rc.d/rc.gpm-sample [02:08] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:08] edit, rename, chmod +x [02:08] alkos333_3 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:10] BP{k}: just about everything under the sun, boost, vlc, mplayer, xorg drivers, xfce panel, etc. :P [02:12] mancha: It's nice, fast, and stable, but the updates really come in droves. :P [02:13] i can imagine, you chose the bleeding edge OF the bleeding edge :> [02:13] lol, yeah, I sure did. [02:13] sitwon (n=adam@pool-173-79-74-183.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:14] normally someone would say they are "allowed" to do that since its still under development. but with fedora iirc the exact same thing happened right after the 11 release. many bugs werent fixed to meet the deadline and many updates were pushed sortly after the release. [02:15] mancha: I can really say though, that nothing compares to Slackware. :) [02:16] I made some modifications in /etc/rc.M and the mouse doesn't work. [02:18] Axius: Did you make a backup of that file first? [02:18] php seems to generate vulnerabilities at a faster rate than they fix them [02:19] Axius: You can always restore from the package [02:19] fire|bird: no, I didn't. [02:19] <_MaggoT_> lol [02:20] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@93.107.156.14) joined ##slackware. [02:20] you can find those in sysvinit-scripts (or summit) [02:20] <_MaggoT_> Axius : always backup the original file for recovery if something wrong :p [02:20] alisonken1noc: How to restore from the package? [02:20] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-133-4.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:21] sitwon (n=adam@pool-96-241-216-141.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:21] cd / [02:21] go to any mirror it's in the source dir a/sysvinit-script/* [02:22] OK - I'm on slamd64 here, so you want to look for the package mancha says [02:22] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:22] or your trusty install (c|dv)d [02:22] you can also d/l from there - you may see rc.M.new rather than rc.M, but that's the file you wan [02:22] t [02:23] thank you very much, I'll try. 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[03:45] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [03:49] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:49] Axius (n=fd@92.84.14.159) joined ##slackware. [03:50] _MaggoT_: I would use the slackbuild to build it. so you get the same config args.. [03:50] just change version in the slackbuild. [03:51] <_MaggoT_> i need remove the old 1 first?or just build the new package? [03:52] _MaggoT_, build new package, upgradepkg it [03:52] <_MaggoT_> ok thx [03:55] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn60.91-127-109.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [03:55] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:57] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@aa20060611363b8b1fd4.userreverse.dion.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [03:57] Mornin [03:57] <_MaggoT_> afternoon :p [03:59] moming [04:01] told you it wouldn't be long.. KDE-4.3.2 just hit -current [04:02] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-149-128.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:03] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [04:03] nice [04:04] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-149-128.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [04:04] rekonq 0.2 is much more usable than 0.1 which doesnt work with 4.2.4 [04:05] ermm i said it wrong, whatever [04:05] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [04:05] hello happy people [04:06] figabo (n=Slacker@96.9.182.21) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:06] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-52-237.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [04:08] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [04:08] i guess no happy people here... [04:09] <_MaggoT_> lol [04:09] hi nyRednek [04:09] dive, howzit? [04:10] just woke up [04:10] dive, ah...my back wouldn't let me sleep [04:10] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:10] so neither happy nor sad, contemplating this cup of coffee [04:10] dive, and the meds stopped working [04:11] the drugs don't work [04:11] they stopped working [04:12] I guess your system has got too used to them so they have no effect [04:12] so i stopped taking them...what good is getting drowsy when my back is gonna wake me up anyways [04:12] right [04:12] Desiderius (n=user@ucopia-nat-invite.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:14] Desiderius (n=user@ucopia-nat-invite.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Client Quit [04:14] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:15] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:15] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [04:17] init[1] (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [04:17] [oT] http://picasaweb.google.com/cschlaeger/JapanLinuxSymposium#5395358413061926434 [04:17] grazymax (n=grazymax@host163-156-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:18] juice (n=juice@cpe-65-28-97-1.kc.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [04:18] hi all ^ ^ [04:18] I'm having problems with my DVD drive...for some reason it won't mount anything I put in. I knwo the drive works cuz the computer can still boot from the Slackware 13 DVD [04:18] http://pastebin.com/d7f4357b4 [04:19] ^^Is there error message I get [04:19] ec0x01 (n=ec0x01@89-96-204-112.ip14.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [04:20] something funky with hal, how are you mounting the dvd? [04:20] automatically? [04:20] i just put it in and that pops up with everything i put in [04:20] init[1], good one :-) [04:21] not successfully it seems, i don't wanna help troubleshoot hal, what i can offer is: mount /dev/device_name /mnt/dvd [04:21] \o/ finally :) dive ty :) [04:21] i bet it is related to your group memberships... [04:21] oh hmm [04:21] WTF Mozilla? You STILL havent got Thunderbird 3 out.. it's STILL peppered with problems.. we're still on Lightning v0.9 and you put half your team to work on frigging RAINDROP? Somwething no-one but you and google actual care about?! Get stuffed! No love. [04:23] switching back to IE? [04:24] or Outlook? [04:24] The engineering manager is trialling Eudora [04:24] i didn't know eudora still existed, is it still qualcomm? [04:25] *shrug* [04:25] Axius (n=fd@92.84.14.159) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:25] the eudora team used to make a free (as in beer) imap server [04:28] maye it was pop3, i forgets now [04:31] oh wow, i hadn't realized eudora as resurrected as a hack of thunderbird code. it used to be it's own thing. [04:31] Action: init[1] mancha loves talking to herself :P [04:31] s/her/him/ [04:31] :P [04:32] Axius (n=fd@92.84.13.99) joined ##slackware. [04:32] Action: Zordrak stabs Camarade_Tux and spook in the eye. Wake up, bitches.. it's morning. Not Saturday yet. [04:33] strankan (n=strankan@c-decd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [04:38] you're right mancha it probably is to do with groups i can manually mount it as root [04:38] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [04:38] this is gonna be a PITA to rip i can smell it =P [04:38] How to change the shell? [04:39] chsh [04:39] juice (i=1000@65.28.97.1) joined ##slackware. [04:39] thanks, mancha [04:39] ok [04:40] BP{k}, http://www.pubology.com/index.php?diary if you have a wetherspoon near you there's an ale fest happening. Over 30 guest ales :- [04:40] or vipw [04:41] http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/23/linus-torvalds-gives-windows-7-a-big-thumbs-up/ [04:41] hehe [04:43] tewmten, you're a bit late pal :-) The news broke here 15 mins ago ;-) [04:43] strankan (n=strankan@c-decd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "leaving" [04:43] well unlike the rest of you stinking nerds, i have a job to do [04:43] :D [04:43] lol true [04:43] Action: tewmten punches dive in the pancreas [04:43] :D [04:43] haha [04:43] aaah [04:43] friday [04:43] Action: tewmten sippin some lekker espresso [04:44] tewmten: you are late :P [04:44] uh yeah.. but Linus uses Fedora.. what do you expect? [04:44] he's such a n00b [04:44] he should be a slacker ! [04:45] hey now [04:45] I use CentOS [04:45] :) [04:45] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [04:45] tewmten: joo foil [04:45] CentOS > fedora (IMO) [04:45] yeah [04:45] >.< [04:45] I'm not gonna go Slackware for enterprise systems [04:46] whY? [04:46] but for my personal system I has slack 13 :) [04:46] chicken [04:46] you should.. i havent been disappointed in the least [04:46] yes i have read Zordrak's history :) [04:46] im running slack on nearly every production server there is here [04:46] easier to find support deals on CentOS [04:46] support deals ftl [04:47] not when you're dealing with banks and goverments.. [04:47] then you want something behind you [04:47] I've just migrated my local museum laptops from ubuntu to slack. Now just have to teach them how to use them, but I think they will find KDE much easier than Gnome [04:47] no matter how good sysadmin you are [04:47] yeah.. a woron with a chequebook [04:47] *moron [04:47] for a production server you need timely sec patches [04:48] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [04:48] roccity_ (n=mrpresid@ip-118-90-83-235.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:49] init[1] (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left ##slackware. [04:49] v4nelle (n=van@adsl163-68.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:49] is there a easy howto for setting up vpn on slackware [04:50] roccity_: http://lmgtfy.com/?=openvpn+howto [04:50] I have looked at openvpn but is very confusing for me [04:50] roccity_: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=openvpn+howto [04:50] distrib is not as important here as picking your vpn solution first [04:50] roccity_: let me be crystal clear: [04:50] roccity_: openvpn is the *easiest* way to do VPN. ANY other option will be harder. [04:50] roccity_: If you cant handle OpenVPN.. you cant handle VPN [04:51] thanks for that [04:52] I would prefer sftp but people want to edit files "live" [04:52] is there another way? [04:52] roccity_: Read: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/?s=vpn [04:52] smb? [04:53] i.e. plain smb without vpn [04:53] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-80-176.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:54] dive: yeah but it is not very secure [04:54] not over a network anyway [04:54] in a lan setup yeah I have that [04:54] i'd go with vpn then, openvpn is probably a cheap and easy way to do this, read their docs [04:55] will try this I havethe server setup but not the clients [04:55] roccity_: that link i gave you.. follow the link to the whitepaper and read *EVERY WORD* [04:55] Zordrak: thanks for that will start reading now [04:56] roccity_ (n=mrpresid@ip-118-90-83-235.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:56] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:56] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-148-77.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:57] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-138-149.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. 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[05:11] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-136-178.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:11] _MaggoT_ (n=maggot@125.161.208.55) left irc: "Leaving" [05:11] something like http://www.google.com/cse/ that can take my browser bookmarsk [05:12] OclkdMan, this isn't necessariy wrong place for q, but not sure about the answer [05:13] nyRednek, Ok. [05:14] i've already asked in google irc channel but no suggestions.. [05:14] Platyna (i=platyna@platinum.edu.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:15] Axius (n=fd@92.84.13.99) left irc: "leaving" [05:17] khaladu_kj (n=kiran@static-mum-59.181.128.74.mtnl.net.in) joined ##slackware. [05:18] I want to get my laptop's touch sensitive volume control working can anyone help?? [05:19] I have got hp dv4 1435dx laptop .. n using xfce as DM [05:19] spmd (n=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [05:20] ah yes, just experianced my first encounter with the piggys in canada [05:20] bastards ruined my morning bike ride [05:25] Axius (n=fd@92.84.13.99) joined ##slackware. [05:30] khaladu_kj (n=kiran@static-mum-59.181.128.74.mtnl.net.in) left irc: "Leaving" [05:31] hoi acidchild =) [05:32] When i want to install wget with slackpkg I get this error: /usr/libexec/slackpkg/core-functions.sh: line 701: wget: command not found [05:32] lol [05:32] hello tewmten [05:32] recursion fail [05:33] Axius: what kind of clustorfsck has left you with slackware with no installed wget pkg? [05:33] just dl wget and installpkg [05:33] and this: /usr/libexec/slackpkg/core-functions.sh: line 703: wget: command not found [05:33] (note: don't try to wget, wget) [05:34] Axius: slackpkg needs wget [05:34] grab your install CD [05:34] =] [05:34] or use ftp to ftp.slackware.com [05:34] Axius: go download it and install it from a mirror [05:35] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLTTXTMu-Mk [05:35] <3 [05:35] i will download it with ncftp. [05:35] tewmten: tsk tsk [05:35] acidchild: hrhr [05:35] acidchild: wsup? [05:36] nothing, just annoyed that the piggys interupting my morning [05:36] trying to ticket me for riding a bicycle without ID [05:36] are you fucking kidding?!?! [05:36] yeah man wtf [05:37] tewmten, are you 'dave the drummer'? [05:37] i got a fine the other day for smoking a cigarette too far away from the ashtray on the train platform [05:37] nyRednek: no [05:37] acidchild, wtf? [05:37] indeed [05:37] they didnt even let me finish the cigarette [05:37] fuckers [05:37] i didn't get a ticket, but now half my details are true on their database. [05:37] tewmten, ok, good, i won't feel bad about criticizing that as techno so generic that it's boring [05:37] yeah im in the system as well now [05:37] buddys just got mega busted [05:37] nyRednek: :P [05:37] just adds to the sadness :( [05:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoLmeE4TUaM [05:38] ^^ [05:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dZShCnr5wI [05:38] a bit better [05:38] tewmten, other than the drug reference, which is common, it sounds like every damn techno song i've ever heard [05:39] dubsteppp [05:39] tewmten: listen to the one i posted, and wait for the drop [05:39] its creamy [05:39] acidchild: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYBMr1QxuWI [05:39] acidchild, you gotta be kidding me [05:40] haha [05:40] even if it comes out your nose [05:40] =] [05:40] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.13.208) left irc: "Leaving" [05:40] tewmten, yeah, the second one was better from the beginning...still generic, though [05:41] techno is supposed to be monotone [05:41] :) [05:41] nyRednek: dislike the dirty dubz? ;< [05:41] acidchild, yeah, i can honestly say that techno bores me [05:41] let me find you guys some Mat WeaselBuster [05:41] dubstep != techno [05:41] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJYfOXe5zLc <-- listen to the sample [05:41] bhaha [05:42] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!n=root@* expired. [05:42] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:42] acidchild, oh, the stuff you posted? the first song was not my style at all, but if that's what you like... [05:42] me and plenty others! [05:43] acidchild, i'd rather cruise brooklyn and listen to street raggae [05:43] acidchild, that, from my opinion == flushable [05:43] oh, i dig also =] [05:44] acidchild, i dig raggae [05:44] indeed! [05:44] acidchild, raggae, blues, alternative rock, country(some), but this stuff...keep it [05:45] i think tewmten's taste in music reflects his lifestyle [05:45] who knows what that might be =p [05:45] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdK4LuSs94g [05:45] :D [05:45] i love that video [05:45] it's all live [05:45] i saw that dude play in Belgium earlier this year [05:46] well it used to reflect my lifestyle a lot a few months ago [05:46] oh man, no happy hardcore this time in the morning [05:46] then i stopped doing tweak [05:46] hehe [05:46] i'm behaving atm, even though temptation is everywhere [05:47] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0uf9Z2JFbE [05:47] :D [05:47] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF1m4YPQUdk [05:47] that is music, boys [05:49] stunix (i=1000@80.239.63.243) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:49] that song was originally done by muddy watters, but there won't be a youtube of him doing it(he hasn't sang that song since the 60s) [05:50] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=441-Vnv7cRY [05:50] classic! [05:51] god damni thinki got stungby something [05:51] my hand is swelling up [05:51] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [05:52] acidchild, on your bike ride? [05:52] i guess so [05:56] Kidpunkx (n=kidpunkx@adsl-85-33-70.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:00] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHgCxZ0wc9k <--real music [06:00] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWQukgO1X6c [06:00] ^^ bangin' tune [06:01] man wtf, frank zappa is real music! [06:02] in your opinion [06:02] Action: acidchild runs [06:03] who wants coffee, i'm about to put a pot on [06:05] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:05] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-fqfjiahnbrkqbkmz) joined ##slackware. [06:06] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2b0OIkTraI [06:06] :D [06:06] Axius (n=fd@92.84.13.99) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:07] tewmten, not as monotonous, but i see your mixes, and i raise you a live recording http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA_biO-zbkc [06:08] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:09] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:09] Lalloso (i=8a843669@gateway/web/freenode/x-dlwfoqcufsvfqkua) left irc: "Page closed" [06:09] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:09] damnit where's my salary [06:09] i got 7 euro on my account [06:09] :S [06:10] :/ [06:10] hopefully i can afford buying some lunch somewhere [06:10] just have to find a place to go hehe [06:10] nyRednek: nice one [06:11] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA2z3UXYa6o [06:11] :D [06:11] i like that one, it's about my hometown in Sweden [06:12] atleast you get a salary :) [06:12] strankan (n=strankan@c-decd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:12] C00re: cut your hair, get a shave and go get a job you stinking hippie! [06:12] :P [06:13] :D [06:13] tewmten, and here's a set opener http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGp3WwfVr0U&feature=related [06:13] shut up woman, get on my horse. [06:13] C00re: riding the white horse, eh? [06:14] hmh, lemonade. [06:14] time to go find some grub [06:14] bbl [06:14] tewmten, btw, this guy is true brooklyn raggae(for now, the biggest raggae name that came from brooklyn, ny) [06:14] http://www.getonmyhorse.com/ mm yes sweet lemonade [06:14] Shingoshi (n=shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:14] adamk_ (n=adamk@c-68-45-151-98.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:16] strankan (n=strankan@c-decd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [06:17] v4nelle (n=van@adsl163-68.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:17] strankan (n=strankan@c-decd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:17] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@98.14.234.253) left irc: [06:18] v4nelle (n=van@adsl163-68.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:19] stamp (n=stamp@chello087207009097.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:20] morning TV is terrible. 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[06:58] i was messing around it segfaulted [06:58] by messing around i mena i wass jsut trying a few different programs i didn't know slackware came with cryptdir one of them [06:59] willca (n=willca@c-24-19-63-203.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:01] expect[11316]: segfault at 6ffffffa ip 6ffffffa sp bfdef9f4 error 4 in libnss_files-2.9.so[b7cd7000+a000] <- is what dmesg shows [07:05] chances are you mismatched some libs [07:06] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:06] you can show us the output of 'ldd `which expect`' [07:10] stamp (n=stamp@chello087207009097.chello.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:10] linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0xb7ef5000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb806e000) i think thats what you're looking for [07:11] stamp (n=stamp@chello087207009097.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:14] i think i figured it out [07:14] cryptdir relies on a program crypt which isn't included [07:15] drunkenpaw (n=drunkenp@c-68-33-60-142.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:18] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:18] that seem odd [07:19] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [07:19] doesn't Slackbuilds have any decent DVD ripping tools? [07:19] tell me i'm just missing it [07:20] Chakravanti: man dd [07:21] man cat? [07:21] Nick change: pgeek||_ -> pgeek|| [07:22] pgeek|| (i=pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) left irc: "Reconnecting" [07:22] pgeek|| (i=pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) joined ##slackware. [07:22] anyone know the significance of a recursive bind mount? By that i mean, mount will bind a directory onto itself (/var/lib/nfs on /var/lib/nfs type none (rw,bind)).. but i dont know why it isnt rejected as an erroneous request.. what actually happens when you do it? [07:22] ha ha [07:23] converter/ripper/whatever [07:23] Chakravanti: handbrake is one for a start [07:23] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:23] i have handbrake it's not on slackbuidlsl tho [07:23] ananke: im looking at you WRT mount [07:23] and doesn't rip audio only [07:24] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.43.251) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:24] Chakravanti: see.. now your question has changed [07:24] trying to rip the audio off the live DVD [07:24] yes [07:24] Chakravanti: you dant want "just a ripping tool" you have specific requirements that you withheld [07:24] i should have been more specific [07:24] indeed [07:24] touche [07:24] Any suggestions? [07:25] nope.. not my area of expertise [07:25] but i would expect you to have to do it in a 2-step [07:27] elderK (n=zk@122-57-250-233.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: [07:27] Chakravanti: can't you instruct handbrake to only rip the audio track? [07:27] handbrake, what a name [07:28] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [07:29] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [07:29] nope [07:30] handbrake doesn't liek the DVD either ofr some reason *sigh* what a PITA [07:30] i was on a deadline too [07:32] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:32] greetings o/ [07:32] alienBOB: can I repoint this at you.. most likely to know: [07:33] 12:22:06 < Zordrak> anyone know the significance of a recursive bind mount? By that i mean, mount will bind a directory onto itself (/var/lib/nfs on /var/lib/nfs type none (rw,bind)).. but i dont know why it isnt rejected as an erroneous request.. what actually happens when you do it? 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[08:44] g'morning guys [08:45] vald0r (n=mbarrett@cmr-208-124-137-187.cr.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:50] hey haldir [08:50] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:52] Zordrak (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:54] good morning [08:54] i just slept for 14 hours [08:54] wow [08:54] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:55] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!n=root@* expired. [08:55] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [08:55] i decided to take a nap at 715pm [08:55] and i just slept clear through to 9am [08:55] amazon10x: it's not the earth planet [08:56] :P [08:56] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: "Leaving" [08:56] good morning [08:57] metrofox: haha what [08:57] amazon10x: it happens to me all the time [08:57] never happened to me... [08:57] lol [08:58] mrpawnage: i was hoping to wake up at like 5am, so i could go on a morning bike ride [08:58] I slept for 10 max. [08:58] Nick change: Zordrak_ -> Zordrak [08:59] metrofox: last semester was even worse. i'd regularly sleep for 12-16 hrs [08:59] you slept for a half day :P [08:59] lucky you [08:59] it's my secret to try to grow even bigger. i eat abnormally large amounts of food, then i sleep all day [09:00] amazon10x: really, don't fret. this is completely normal to flunk school. [09:00] i think it actually work in my first year of college. i grew an inch or something [09:00] gnubien (n=e@58.244.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:00] mrpawnage: haha, i'm doing alright. i did get a D on an important CS exam last week though [09:00] wasn [09:01] be like homer grow large enough to wear a mumu and get on disability :-) [09:01] wasn't because of sleep though. i had one cs exam, then that cs exam teh day after, and two esssays due that week [09:01] I wake up everyday at 7 a.m., and I go to bed around 11 p.m. everyday... tomorrow I won't go to school, there's being linux day [09:01] as long as you got a little bit of the captain in ya; you'll do fine so i here [09:01] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@124.43.49.254) joined ##slackware. [09:01] hey Intel[R]VT-x [09:02] hear* [09:02] metrofox: that's a pretty good schedule. i think i'm trying to rotate to something along those lines [09:02] possible 10-6 [09:02] hi [09:02] hi metrofox [09:03] amazon10x: day is longer, you've more time to spend everyday, you spend reading, joking etc... [09:03] metrofox: when i do wake up early occassionally, i do very much feel that way [09:04] during the summer I slept for 8-10 too... [09:04] I was more tired than the year before [09:05] i usually sleep 6-7 hrs [09:07] now I fell active, relaxed and effective :P [09:07] the man that helped me get into the freemasons only slept about 3 hours a night. i thought that was pretty remarkable [09:07] I'm always useless for the world but I'm still here :D [09:08] haldir: that is. i once tried polyphasic sleep, where you nap for 20 mins, then stay awake for 3 hrs and 40 mins, repeat ad infinitum [09:08] polyphasic? [09:08] how does it work? [09:08] like i just said [09:08] sleep for 20 mins, then stay awake for 3 hrs and 40 mins [09:08] you just do that all day [09:09] so you accumulate 2 hrs of sleep total at the end of the day [09:09] uh... Is it a good method? [09:09] amazon10x, i had read about that, just a reference. [09:09] not sure, i failed at it [09:09] it's my first time I heard it... that's why I'm so curious ;) [09:09] i've heard it take about 10-14 days of complete zombification before you start to transition to a working human again [09:10] and i could never make it through the zombie stage [09:10] However, I should try it for a week but I'm scared I'll sleep for all day long once at bed :P [09:10] but apparently once you do, then it starts to become normal [09:10] metrofox: that happened to me. after being into it for a couple days, i'd sleep through my alarms, and wake up several hours later [09:11] seems like the lack of REM sleep would make you psychotic [09:11] which essentially restarts the whole transition process [09:11] amazon10x: it's not comfortable at all... [09:11] haldir: the hypothesis is that after a few days, your body sees what's going on, and be begins to immediately enter rem sleep during your naps [09:11] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:12] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-138-149.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:12] cool... immediately enter rem sleep :P [09:12] sounds like an episode of xfiles watiting to happen :-) [09:12] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [09:12] haldir: yeah :P [09:13] ooh boy, my class project is optimizing some c code [09:14] a rotate function that rotates an image, and a smoothing function, which just averages some pixels [09:14] how does the nervous system reacts? [09:15] metrofox: not sure. i did talk to a sleep researcher guy at my uni about it. he said that trying it for a few months shouldn't affect anything permnently [09:15] he said the human body has a super-rapid rebound from things like this, 2 days and you'll reset back to normal if you want [09:15] and for a few years? [09:15] sorenp (n=Soren@m83-185-91-84.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [09:15] no clue [09:15] he didn't know either [09:15] and the central nervous system of the human body continues to grow until you're 25, so he did express concern about that (i'm 19) [09:16] he said practically all growth happens at night [09:16] i'm 14 instead :P [09:16] oh yeah, it's probably an even more bad idea for you then [09:16] haha [09:16] I could grow up with nervous problems... [09:16] i'll tell you what though, when i did it for just the 2 or 3 days here, it did feel like i had an *amazing* amount of time on my hands [09:16] :D [09:17] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-103-99.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:17] metrofox: or not grow up at all haha [09:17] :D yeah... [09:18] I'd suggest it to Peter Pan... [09:18] Axius (n=fd@92.84.1.65) joined ##slackware. [09:18] adult's are fu*ked up, that what one tv program was saying in my childhood. [09:19] winter, i remember a star trek episode that was based upon that [09:19] yeah - I remember that episode as well [09:19] s/adult's/aduldts/ [09:19] "grups" is what the kids called themk [09:19] them [09:19] yeah... you're so fucked up guys :D [09:19] uh... sorry :P [09:20] ;) [09:20] then come to find out it was that "angel" that was doing it [09:20] the only greatest thing for adults is making sex whenever you want with whoever you want :P [09:20] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [09:20] obviously your wife, lover, girlfriend... [09:21] woulnd't say 'only the greatest thing...' - but one of [09:21] another great thing? [09:21] remember - geeks about here :) [09:21] and it isnt any time you want after 27 yrs of marriage [09:21] oh yeah... don't go to school :p [09:21] well, 13 this time for me [09:21] years [09:21] I wouldn't be able to get married [09:22] why not [09:23] I don't know... Maybe I'm not responsible yet [09:23] no one is xD [09:23] well yet... I've to grow up, but I don't think I'll be responsible though [09:23] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [09:24] well, I keep telling my wife I may grow old but I refuse to grow up :) [09:25] she complains I still act like my 7yo [09:25] and sometimes she can't tell the difference [09:25] Take it as a compliment and imply the 7 y/o is a genius :P [09:26] :) [09:26] Call her a pedophile then [09:26] with my last girlfriend I lasted 3-4 days LOL [09:26] haha [09:26] what do you do with a gf at 14 yrs old? [09:26] mmm... do ya really know it? :P [09:26] haha [09:27] Have sex with her? [09:27] drunkenpaw (n=drunkenp@c-68-33-60-142.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:27] Get her pregnant and have a kid before you have ball hair [09:27] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:27] if she wants yes... many friends of mine had... [09:27] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [09:27] Seems to be the thing to do these days [09:27] straterra++ [09:27] NthDegree: You know I [09:27] NthDegree: You know I'm being a touch sarcastic, right? :P [09:27] Then make an appearance on Jeremy Kyle or Steve Wilkos [09:28] do most kids start banging at 14 these days? [09:28] well... we kiss each other, we do other things such touching each other... I'm shy guys... sorry :D [09:28] straterra, duh! :P [09:28] haha [09:28] amazon10x: here yes [09:28] amazon10x, in the UK they kinda do... >_> [09:28] I don't know if in your countries is the same... but here in palermo especially yes [09:28] Good deal [09:29] Over here we have a backwards system [09:29] There was a story on CNN of 1 out of 7 girls being pregnant at a Chicago high school [09:29] sex is outdated [09:29] I laughed [09:29] If an underage individual wants free condoms, they end up with the nurse reporting the request to child protection [09:30] Not here in the US..they usually get it [09:30] I know I friend of mine pregnant at the age of 13 [09:30] Most just don't care enough to get em [09:30] Over here many people want to, but the system screws over underage people [09:30] modern people are reproducing with budding [09:30] mingdao (n=mingdao@unaffiliated/mingdao) left ##slackware ("toilet channel"). [09:31] and people of the correct age usually can't be arsed with condoms or other barrier methods [09:31] My theory is..if you aren't ready for a kid, you aren't ready for sex [09:31] if i were sexing up the ladies right now, i don't think i could do condoms [09:31] straterra, I go by that too.. but i'm still a virgin XD [09:31] the failure rate is like 2% [09:32] 2% isn't bad [09:32] so after i have sex 100 times, i'll have two kids that i didn't want [09:32] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [09:32] That 2% isn't accurate [09:32] The failure rates on the pill and shot are worse than that [09:32] when it comes to making babies, 2% is bad, i think [09:32] Even if the percentage says 99.99 [09:32] straterra: well condoms are useful, that's their purpose... you can have sex just for having fun :P [09:32] Failure rates are dependent on people fscking up on using them [09:32] metrofox: Ok..but every time you have sex..the possibility is there [09:33] like putting them on the wrong way or not using spermicide (as recommended) [09:33] So you shouldn't do it unless you are prepared for it [09:33] we need eugenics [09:33] NthDegree: i was under the impression that the 2% refers to breakage of the condom [09:33] our US safe school czar wants 15 yo gay males to use condoms when they pick up middle aged guys in bathrooms. he doesn't say that it might not be a good idea :-) [09:33] haldir: haha [09:33] Silly modern teenagers and their sexual attitude [09:33] straterra: if my girlfriend should be pregnant at this age... [09:34] I'd tell her to abort as soon as she can [09:34] metrofox: I didn't say that. I said if you aren't prepared for a kid..you shouldn't even do it [09:34] yeah I got it ;) [09:34] Abortion.. [09:34] Yeah..thats the responsible way [09:34] Well... you should be able to do it.. just not in a penetrative fashion [09:35] yeahh.. im beginning to see the benefits of having #slackware-offtopic [09:35] Zordrak: Why? So that the 0 people who are asking for help can get it? [09:35] it's not the responsible way but if that could happen that could be one of the streets to walk [09:35] Get over your life [09:35] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "leaving" [09:35] Oral sex, masturbation and plenty of foreplay... won't make you have a kid >_> [09:36] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [09:36] I laugh at most people when I find out they have an STD [09:36] NthDegree: even anal if it's not enough for you :P [09:37] I laughed when they mixed my pee up when I had a free test XD [09:37] You can get pregnant from anal sex [09:37] what? [09:37] They asked me if I smoked cannabis because the pee they had was cloudy.... they had mixed my pee up with someone elses! XD [09:37] straterra: O.o [09:37] Luckily they found out where they'd put mine XD [09:38] UTI causes cloudiness too [09:39] metrofox: the sperm has been known to penetrate the tissue seperating and enter the vagina [09:39] It's pretty rare..but there are cases of it [09:39] straterra: O.O [09:39] didn't know it... [09:39] sorenp (n=Soren@m83-185-91-84.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:39] nature is kinda smart [09:40] i saw it on a tv show so it has to be true [09:40] Well it was a chlamydia test... I only had it so I could get the free bag of condoms (which have now erm.. expired) [09:40] Well I know I can't get pregnant from anal sex. [09:40] ohhhh [09:40] pitcher or catcher [09:41] i'm proud of the fact I live in a city where the chlamydia rates are 1 in 4 yet i'm not affected :D [09:41] Depends on the mood I'm in. Not that it's any of your business :-) [09:42] NthDegree: where do you live? [09:42] Axius (n=fd@92.84.1.65) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:42] metrofox, Peterborough, England (Great Britain) [09:43] Axius (n=fd@92.84.1.65) joined ##slackware. [09:43] and in Peterborough is that the rate? [09:44] that looks like a pretty city [09:44] :D [09:44] Peterborough in Canada might be nice. But Peterborough in England is a slum >_> [09:46] mmm... didn't know it.. Yet another thing I learn ^^ [09:46] *I learnt [09:50] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [09:52] *I have learned. [09:52] thank you mrpawnage ^^ Yet another thing I have learned [09:52] XD [09:53] you're welcome [09:53] correct me when you can ;) [09:53] :) [09:55] giuppy (n=giuppy@87.13.167.231) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:55] Axius (n=fd@92.84.1.65) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:56] giuppy (n=giuppy@host205-173-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:56] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-48-22.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:57] super slim dell laptop, looks sweet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDECp2UrfW4 [09:57] egregor_ (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [09:57] Axius (n=fd@92.84.1.65) joined ##slackware. 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[10:16] I will ambush them with guano [10:16] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:17] they said you couldn't play with them any more because it was rumored you had PMed someone without permission 10 years ago [10:17] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [10:17] heh [10:18] j/k of course [10:18] Axius (n=fd@92.84.1.65) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:18] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-wvnyoljpbmzbbxzz) joined ##slackware. [10:20] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.171.123) left irc: "+-||\-" [10:20] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189-69-18-12.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:25] pupit1 (n=pupit@93.86.1.213) joined ##slackware. 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[10:28] hi again ;) [10:29] last week was -2°C, right now it's like 20°C or more [10:29] Action: Camarade_Tux hugs metrofox [10:29] Action: Zordrak covers Camarade_Tux in guano [10:29] hey Camarade_Tux, what's up? [10:29] Zordrak: \o/ errrr, /o\ [10:29] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [10:29] ;p [10:30] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-189-89.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [10:31] http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1301 ^^ [10:32] and a nice program http://ditaa.sourceforge.net/ (not sure I'm going to use it though) [10:32] WOO!! I'm (preliminarily) done. [10:32] Camarade_Tux: LOL [10:33] DRBD + corosync + openais + pacemaker + deps all done.. all configured, loaded and working.. i can migrate the file server and its IP to the secondary wachine within 5 seconds :) [10:33] hmmmm, 3 days ago I started playing some Pink Floyd, still not done :P [10:34] Zordrak: what does it do? [10:34] Camarade_Tux: cluster-failover [10:35] drunkenpaw (n=drunkenp@c-68-33-60-142.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:35] Zordrak: so if I throw this axe into this server of yours, there'll be no problem, right? =) [10:35] you could explode it.. it wouldnt matter [10:35] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlZpSd2lRJQ [10:35] :D:D [10:35] the same files would still be available on the same IP address and STILL be protected by RAID6 [10:36] and what if I break that other server while you're rebuilding your array? =) [10:37] Camarade_Tux: if you destroy BOTH RAID6 arrays that arle RAID1 synced.. then i restore from tape [10:38] Action: Camarade_Tux wonders where he put his tesla coil [10:38] im sick of doing specialist shit that no-one else is working on.. I have no-one to talk to about it [10:38] this is awesome stuff [10:38] That's not specialist stuff.. [10:38] You aren't the first person to ever do that [10:39] That stuff has been around for many many many years [10:39] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [10:40] tewmten: lmao [10:41] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-189-89.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:41] tewmten, always good quality links. [10:42] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [10:43] :D [10:44] aren't wget and xpdf with vulnerabilities? [10:44] :O what a nice link! [10:45] Intel[R]VT-x_ (n=chatzill@124.43.43.203) joined ##slackware. [10:46] do they really play that music there? O.O [10:46] twolf (n=none@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:47] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [10:48] stamp (n=stamp@chello087207009097.chello.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:48] stamp (n=stamp@chello087207009097.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:51] mikl0 (n=mikl0@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:51] http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/video/video.php?v=167323503080&ref=nf [10:52] hohoho [10:54] slackie (n=x@cb-217-129-169-44.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:56] Nick change: panzer -> Panzer [10:59] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:59] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [11:00] jhw (n=jhw@195.180.9.202) left irc: "leaving" [11:00] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "leaving" [11:02] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/sanzilla) left irc: Connection timed out [11:03] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:03] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [11:04] spmd (n=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Fui embora" [11:05] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] I finally finished my Pink Floyd playlist, anyone remember what I was supposed to listen next? [11:09] britney spears discog [11:10] abba [11:10] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.171.123) left irc: "+-||\-" [11:12] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:12] Guys... I have a nagging feeling... I wanna harass some ventrilo users for some reason :| [11:12] M4K4V3l1 (n=far@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [11:12] hi all [11:12] _dieter_ (n=dieter@92.117.161.75) joined ##slackware. [11:12] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:12] I got this message error when I try to compile "libpcapnav" from source : http://pastebin.ca/1640287 [11:13] any suggestions > [11:13] ? [11:13] any reason that you're building it as root? [11:14] no [11:14] but I am trying the simple way [11:14] Whats the simple way? [11:15] we are far away from my needs [11:15] what? [11:15] plz just answer my question or let other doing that [11:15] M4K4V3l1: i'll try building it on my side to see what happens [11:15] i think he's using a translator [11:15] amazon10x: to be honnest with you I am using ubuntu [11:15] M4K4V3l1: why are you here? [11:15] Then go to #ubuntu [11:15] go to #ubuntu [11:16] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [11:16] /join #ubuntu [11:16] seriously, how the heck does this happen? are the people in these other channels sending all the unfixable problems to #slackware? "oh those guys are the only ones that actually know what they're doing" [11:16] slackware community are the most stupid one [11:16] Then go ask the ubuntu people for help if we're so stupid [11:16] this is why you will never go forward [11:16] ignorants [11:17] M4K4V3l1 (n=far@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [11:17] Says the person who can't compile [11:17] /ignore M4K4V3l1 [11:17] fixed that [11:18] Action: _MaggoT_ 2 KiB/s :( [11:18] _MaggoT_: for what [11:19] straterra: exactly :) [11:19] crudo|home (n=0xdead@187.78.98.224) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:20] _dieter_ (n=dieter@92.117.161.75) left irc: "leaving" [11:20] and "libtool: link: cannot find the library `'", I guess it's more a problem with the build system (borken libtool?) [11:20] <_MaggoT_> amazon10x : update some file for my wine, because my game got some bugs [11:20] Action: Camarade_Tux looks for food [11:22] _MaggoT_: where are you living? [11:22] <_MaggoT_> indonesia [11:23] I guess you'll be going to bed pretty soon so [11:24] <_MaggoT_> nope [11:24] <_MaggoT_> want finish this problem first then go sleep [11:24] he, I was about to ask you if you still had troubles with wine [11:25] <_MaggoT_> Camarade_Tux : nope my game already run perfect, but got bugs in game now trying to fix that [11:25] _MaggoT_: what game [11:25] <_MaggoT_> amazon10x : Perfect World [11:26] <_MaggoT_> got some problem with wine need disable S3TC [11:26] hmm... M4K was an idiot... [11:26] <_MaggoT_> now downloading pacth wine use git [11:27] drunkenpaw (n=drunkenp@c-68-33-60-142.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:27] _MaggoT_: so, do you know what the problem with wine was? [11:27] _MaggoT_: and which game has problems btw? [11:28] <_MaggoT_> Camarade_Tux : for slackware64 still dont know, now im on slackware 32bit [11:28] _MaggoT_: I see [11:28] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [11:28] <_MaggoT_> Camarade_Tux : maybe if i already know much about linux or slackware i will try back use slackware 64bit [11:29] khaladu_kj (n=kiran@static-mum-59.181.128.74.mtnl.net.in) joined ##slackware. [11:29] I have hp dv4 1435dx notebook... i am not able to enable its wifi [11:30] The touch key for wifi doesnt work [11:30] <_MaggoT_> Camarade_Tux : the game only got problem with S3TC need disable that on wine for make my game run perfectly without bugs on skill icon [11:31] khaladu_kj: which version of slackware? [11:31] _MaggoT_: what is S3TC? [11:31] Camarade_Tux: 13 [11:32] khaladu_kj: what is the model of the *card*? [11:32] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:32] Morning folks. Anyone get a chance to try the new KDE? [11:32] (-current) [11:33] jinjii (n=alpha@93-45-65-189.ip101.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [11:34] High_Priest (n=MMF@195.212.29.179) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [11:34] Camarade_Tux: I am not able to find the model no [11:34] in proc [11:34] <_MaggoT_> Camarade_Tux :GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc [11:36] Also, suppose that a package update gets reverted. Will slackpkg understand that and play nicely? [11:37] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-fqfjiahnbrkqbkmz) left irc: [11:37] _MaggoT_: I was supposing it had to do something with texture compression but wasn't sure, it's a bit weird, what is your card and which driver are you using? [11:37] khaladu_kj: lspci can tell you [11:37] m0101 (i=root@s59.nlserver.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:39] <_MaggoT_> Camarade_Tux : ATI Radeon HD4770 with ati catalyst 9.9 [11:40] _MaggoT_: does it happen for every game? [11:40] _MaggoT_: just catching up; what are the bugs? [11:40] Camarade_Tux: http://pastebin.me/88464eef9ffd8e4492d657c770e8432a this is lspci o/p [11:40] <_MaggoT_> Camarade_Tux : nope only this game, and i know this also from http://bugs.winehq.org [11:40] martinus (n=martinus@117.103.52.217) joined ##slackware. [11:40] 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01) [11:41] khaladu_kj: you need a network module that isn't yet in the kernel afaik [11:41] _MaggoT_: ok [11:41] enlève debian :D [11:41] bah, wrong channel :) [11:42] khaladu_kj: broadcom has a linux driver released [11:42] http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php [11:42] mrpawnage: oh gr8 .. [11:43] khaladu_kj, slackbuilds.org package broadcom-sta is what you're looking for. [11:43] http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php [11:43] bah, too late :) [11:43] haha ;) [11:43] excusme, where i can binary packages for python-gobject ?? [11:43] (Technically plugging my own slackbuild there. Does that fly around here?) [11:43] the patch doesn't apply cleanly but it works well nontheless [11:43] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [11:43] martinus, it's called 'pygobject' and is in a default install [11:43] veritos: i kill jooo [11:43] veritos, : thx :) [11:44] so, where i can find packages for python-svn ? :) [11:44] mrpawnage: I thought your nick was misspawnage/misspawn for a moment :) [11:44] <_MaggoT_> mrpawnage : the game engine not support ST3C [11:44] i want to install this packages -> http://pysvn.tigris.org/ [11:44] veritos: on a serious not that was a very good thing, though how long they will be stable from kernel to kernel is yet to be seen. [11:44] bzzzzzz (i=user@2002:d595:8a3c:0:0:0:d595:8a3c) left irc: "OperScRipT v6.0b by ShakE - http://opers.hit.bg" [11:45] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:45] Camarade_Tux: haha, nixchixor is misspawnage/mrspawnage. (no my wife though) [11:45] hmmm, that's the beginning of a persistant rumor :) [11:45] mrpawnage, they tend to provide patches to handle kernels. however, the up-to-date version (for which the slackbuild exists) works on 2.6.29.6. [11:46] mrpawnage, sadly they remove old versions immediately, so if there's an upgraded version the old URLs are not available. [11:46] it should continue to work for a bit, the api isn't moving as often as the graphic one [11:46] veritos: yes. i had a card with a chipset and with every kernel I updated had to patch it differently. i do stay with the latest kernel on that note. [11:48] for the wireless card anyway. [11:49] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:50] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [11:51] br00tal (n=jesse@96.2.156.177) joined ##slackware. [11:53] EvilWrite (n=root@201.48.176.68) joined ##slackware. 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[12:00] regarding the last ubuntu user who came here, I hadn't realized his problem most probably amounted to installing the "-dev" packages [12:00] hi [12:00] hi Level-Zero [12:01] hi [12:03] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:04] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:04] deco: ! [12:04] Camarade_Tux: \o/ [12:04] deco: I finished my Led Zeppelin playlist an hour ago, remember what I had to listen to next? [12:04] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.158.227.14.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [12:04] Camarade_Tux: i think it was some judas priest ? [12:05] lol [12:05] hmm, probably, but I don't have any here actually =/ [12:05] www.projectplaylist.com [12:05] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-212-236.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [12:05] Action: Zordrak punches the air with his fist [12:05] YYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!! [12:05] Woo!!!!! [12:05] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62.47.138.149) joined ##slackware. [12:05] your're playing golf and just scored? [12:05] Camarade_Tux: hmmmm iron maiden ? [12:05] Action: mrpawnage punches Zordrak with his fist. [12:06] kukukk (n=dvorak@188.24.67.255) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:06] http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/thetoydepartment/TigerWoods.jpg [12:06] deco: I don't think we mentionned that [12:06] Camarade_Tux: damn you're fast [12:06] I'm playing some Damageplan right now [12:06] mrpawnage: :) [12:07] jinjii (n=alpha@93-45-65-189.ip101.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. [12:07] which is better for remote administrering remote machines with dynamic IPs over internet? VPN or dyndns? [12:08] dissociative: wtf? theyre not even almost the same thing.. [12:08] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:08] figabo (n=Slacker@96.9.182.21) joined ##slackware. [12:09] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [12:09] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [12:10] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [12:10] then remote administrering has nothing to do with those things [12:10] it must be something like remote access? [12:11] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [12:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@86.129.179.96) joined ##slackware. [12:13] I got to use dynamic dns to remotely access the mine [12:13] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-132-14.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:13] dissociative: y can remote administration via ssh secure shell [12:14] Level-Zero, he's wondering how to get to his machines when they have dynamic IP:s. [12:14] yes [12:14] www.no-ip.com [12:14] I have never used vpn before [12:14] DynDNS is probably easier to set up, no? [12:14] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.56.59) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:14] yes its easy veritos [12:14] slackie (n=x@cb-217-129-169-44.netvisao.pt) left irc: "Papaver Somniferum" [12:15] but having to register an account for each machine gets like annoying [12:15] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-136.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:15] that has to be remotely accessed [12:15] epaphus (n=unix3@190.10.68.228) joined ##slackware. [12:16] yeah registering is a pain, i hate these free services that don't send a tech to your house to install things for you [12:16] Hello guys, is there anyway I can send an email with "mail" but specify the From address instead of using my linux user account id ... ? [12:16] rofl [12:16] epaphus: sendmail -f [12:16] Camarade_Tux: ac dc ? [12:17] never really liked them [12:17] only a couple of songs [12:17] deco: right, 22:34 Camarade_Tux * adds ACDC to his playback list [12:17] deco: you ever hear rose tattoo ? [12:17] :) [12:17] Scuzz: nope i don't think so [12:17] thats where acdc got there sound from [12:17] oh [12:17] excellent band [12:18] ACDC also has insightful lyrics^W^W^W^W^W [12:18] i was right [12:18] Zordrak, oh.. [12:19] wrong chan [12:19] Zordrak, that would be using sendmail though.. not the "mail" client [12:20] dissociative: u can take a look @ http://pastebin.ca/1640371 [12:21] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:21] mail just pipes into sendmail [12:21] epaphus: `man mail` [12:21] I have already done that [12:22] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-2.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:22] ok [12:22] but my ISP policies seems to deny to me access to the adsl modem [12:22] they seem relutant [12:22] reluctant [12:23] hii how can i check if packages pyton-configobj (http://pypi.python.org/pypi/configobj/) already installed in my system ? [12:23] Zordrak, i did.. but it doesnt say anything of a from field [12:23] epaphus: then you didnt look hard enough [12:24] do it again and read it again [12:24] its there [12:25] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:25] allan8904 (n=allan@ppp121-45-227-144.lns1.per1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [12:26] martinus, `find /usr/lib64/python2.6 -iname '*configobj*' [12:26] replace lib64 with lib if you're on 32 bit [12:27] veritos, : thx2x :) [12:27] martinus: as root =>slackpkg info python [12:27] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.41.48) joined ##slackware. [12:28] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [12:29] Level-Zero, : thx too :) [12:29] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Client Quit [12:30] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [12:30] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:30] EasyTUX_ (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-103-99.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:30] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-103-99.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "leaving" [12:31] Nick change: EasyTUX_ -> EasyTUX [12:31] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. 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[12:41] Action: _MaggoT_ grrrrrrr do something stupid use ctrl + c on my download terminal :( [12:42] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-212-236.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:42] _MaggoT_: resume doesn't work? [12:44] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-146-23.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [12:44] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:44] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:45] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@80.42.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [12:45] <_MaggoT_> mako-dono : nope the folder i create when use "git clone git://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git ~/wine-git " [12:45] <_MaggoT_> is gone [12:46] stamp (n=stamp@chello087207009097.chello.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:46] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [12:46] o_o [12:47] <_MaggoT_> -_-z [12:48] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95.27.176.96) joined ##slackware. [12:48] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.122.217) joined ##slackware. [12:48] you kill Kenny... erm.. winehq website !! [12:48] p.s. [12:48] gone where ? [12:48] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62.47.138.149) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [12:49] <_MaggoT_> i dont know :( [12:49] happyslacker (n=happysla@71-20-52-214.war.clearwire-wmx.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:51] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Client Quit [12:52] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:52] pi31415 (n=bcollver@proxy2.whiteselectronics.com) joined ##slackware. [12:52] $ echo ''|php [12:52] PHP Warning: PHP Startup: mm_create(0, /var/lib/php/session_mm_cli1000) failed, err mm:core: failed to open semaphore file (Permission denied) in Unknown on line 0 [12:53] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:54] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. 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[13:09] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [13:10] hey. anyone tried building livecd from slack 13 using linux-live scripts? [13:10] shyko (n=shyko@187.39.218.46) joined ##slackware. [13:12] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [13:12] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [13:13] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [13:13] esteeven (n=esteeven@82-32-107-213.cable.ubr02.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:15] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95.27.176.96) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [13:16] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-146-23.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:17] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [13:18] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-176-96.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:20] shyko_ (n=shyko@187.39.218.46) joined ##slackware. [13:20] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-68-254.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:30] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-76-98.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [13:30] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [13:30] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.122.217) left irc: "leaving" [13:31] _bruno (n=bruno@189-55-56-226-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: [13:32] spider1010 (n=spider10@66.37.250.51) joined ##slackware. [13:33] I'm taking an Access 07 class right now. [13:33] Kill me. [13:34] spider1010: fun times? [13:34] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.76.5) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:34] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [13:34] spider1010: better pay attention; you gotta find out how that goofy ribbon works [13:35] Oh, my god. So much fun i might just give up everything to work for microsoft, just to be near them. [13:35] could be worse, you could be looking at nekked pics of oprah and rosie :-) [13:35] Wisper in Balmers ear [13:35] I love you. [13:36] did you see the vid of him jumping up and down, screaming like a little girl [13:36] hardir: thats just disturbing [13:36] yes that was one of the wierdest thing i've seen in a while. [13:37] He always looks like he's about to have a heart attack [13:37] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-76-98.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:37] Spider 10, spider 10, does whatever a spider can... [13:38] Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers...... [13:39] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:39] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [13:42] DEVELOPERS [13:42] excusme, any body here have experience creating meld binary packages ?? 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[13:44] i found this in INSTALL file [13:44] "make prefix=/usr/local install" [13:45] so in my build script i write like this make prefix=$PKGUSR install (where $PKGUSR = /tmp/packages-meld [13:46] so in my build script i write like this make prefix=$PKGUSR install (where $PKGUSR = /tmp/packages-meld/usr/) [13:47] but when i look at /tmp/packages-meld/usr/bin/meld script i found this -> /tmp/packages-meld/lib/meld [13:48] so when i trying to lauunch meld, i got this errorTraceback (most recent call last): [13:48] File "/usr/bin/meld", line 34, in [13:48] import paths [13:48] Channel flood from martinus -- kicking [13:48] ImportError: No module named paths [13:48] martinus kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [13:48] rlood (n=rlood@aa20060611363b8b1fd4.userreverse.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [13:48] ^^ [13:48] martinus (n=martinus@117.103.52.217) joined ##slackware. [13:48] <_MaggoT_> lol [13:48] Action: Camarade_Tux pats slackboy [13:48] upss.. sorry ~_~' [13:48] <_MaggoT_> martinus, slow down dont to fast [13:49] spectre (n=kyle@41.210.144.70) joined ##slackware. [13:49] not to mention, pastebin is your friend. ;) [13:49] fire|bird: \o/ [13:49] ok2x, i will paste my step by step at pastebin :) [13:50] Zordrak_ (n=jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:50] martinus: looks like you are trying to hard. [13:50] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-192-169.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [13:50] Necrosporus (n=Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [13:51] I've got a problem  I can't pair devices in slackware 12.2 [13:51] http://paste.org.ru/?fwo98a [13:52] y0 Camarade_Tux [13:52] Necrosporus: is that a groups issue? [13:53] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:53] When I restarting bluetooth daemon, I got such messages (I have edited this script sligthly to make it output debug info) [13:53] mrpawnage, not sure. I restarting script as root [13:54] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!n=root@* expired. [13:54] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:54] okay [13:59] stickyboy (n=hugo@196.202.207.72) joined ##slackware. [14:01] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "Leaving" [14:02] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [14:04] Zordrak (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:04] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.25) joined ##slackware. [14:04] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:04] epaphus (n=unix3@190.10.68.228) left irc: Client Quit [14:05] hi all, this is my step by step about meld -> http://pastebin.ca/1640486 [14:05] :) [14:06] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ntdprtobkwsgjiwg) joined ##slackware. [14:06] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-177-189.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [14:06] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:07] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-104-155.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:07] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ntdprtobkwsgjiwg) left irc: Client Quit [14:07] my question is, how can i creating *.txz packages but change this line -> # [14:07] sys.path[0:0] = [ "/tmp/id-slack/package-meld/usr/lib/meld" to real path ??? 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[14:19] <_MaggoT_> omg wine 1.1.32. release, im use 1.1.31 not yet 1 day -_- [14:19] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: "leaving" [14:21] :) [14:21] Nick change: Zordrak_ -> Zordrak [14:21] _MaggoT_: just take the slackbuild, change the version number, create a new package and use upgradepkg [14:21] errordeveloper (n=errordev@86.129.179.96) left irc: Connection timed out [14:21] Camarade_Tux: im off for the weekend.. can you drop a message to slava_dp if he turns up? [14:22] Or don't :-) No one can force you to upgrade, especially if it's working for you as is. [14:22] Zordrak: sure [14:23] <_MaggoT_> adamk_: maybe i will go upgrade because still got bugs on wine for my game [14:23] Camarade_Tux: just tell him to check the High Availability Storage page on my blog.. ive added a buttload of Pacemaker stuff to it [14:23] Now that's usually a good reason to upgrade. [14:24] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:24] wine changelogs are definitely too long ^^ [14:24] gtg.. ttfn all [14:24] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [14:25] <_MaggoT_> Zordrak : bye [14:25] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@aa20060611363b8b1fd4.userreverse.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [14:26] Zordrak: ok, good weekend :) [14:27] Tirili (n=opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) joined ##slackware. [14:28] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-192-169.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:30] v4nelle (n=van@adsl163-68.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:31] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: "For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint." [14:31] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-104-155.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[14:54] i've confirmed it with toast [14:54] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:54] br00tal (n=jesse@96.2.156.177) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [14:55] br00tal (n=jesse@host-177-156-2-96.midco.net) joined ##slackware. [14:55] wertik_ (n=wertik@95.27.174.96) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [14:56] Tirili (n=opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) left ##slackware. [14:57] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:57] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:59] Tirili (n=opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) joined ##slackware. [14:59] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "leaving" [15:00] br00tal (n=jesse@host-177-156-2-96.midco.net) left irc: "Leaving." [15:00] br00tal (n=jesse@host-177-156-2-96.midco.net) joined ##slackware. [15:00] br00tal (n=jesse@host-177-156-2-96.midco.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:01] I have sw64 13.0 installed with multilib. Now I am getting errors when I try to 'make' a program called critterding. http://pastebin.com/m2eefb913 These are the last lines of make. [15:02] moment [15:02] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.85.187) joined ##slackware. [15:02] can you pastebin the whole make process? [15:03] yes [15:03] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [15:03] Tirili: can't be certain but it appears something is linking against the wrong lib [15:03] oh and try a make clean [15:04] just incase there are any 32bit objects that may conflict [15:04] lying around that is [15:04] Tirili: /usr/lib64/../lib/libstdc++.so: could not read symbols: File in wrong format [15:04] that's your problem [15:04] yeah I saw that [15:04] That rightthere tells you everything you need to know [15:04] Is the program you're building 64bit capable? [15:05] pera (n=pera@186.136.117.234) joined ##slackware. [15:06] and have you tried building it on a 32bit slackware host? [15:06] I want to compile it 32bit. [15:07] I have not tried building it on a 32bit slackware host. [15:07] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.39.133) joined ##slackware. [15:07] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-64-50.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:07] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-64-50.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:07] Tirili: Then you need to specify -m32 in CCARGS [15:07] otherwise it'll build 64bit [15:08] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.158.227.14.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:10] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:11] when I boot to system I this message: cannot open shared object file. What to do in order to not get that request? [15:11] --host=i686-slackware-linux :) [15:11] nachox (n=imarambi@190.216.26.210) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:11] How do I specify -m32 in CCARGS? [15:11] Axius: graphical boot or text boot? [15:11] text boot [15:12] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-68-254.prtc.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:12] Tirili: are you using a slackbuild script? [15:12] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:12] no [15:12] Tirili: if not.. I need to see the ./configur eline you used [15:12] er.. ./configure line [15:13] fatalnix: you were talking about cryptdir? it seems to fail because there's no "crypt" command [15:13] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-2.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] autoreconf -fi && ./configure && make [15:13] It's possibile to do some modifications in /etc/rc.d/rc.M to not get that request? [15:13] anyone got a 12.2 box handy, can check & see whether there's a crypt command and, if so, what package it lives in? [15:14] m20sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [15:15] I just used .configure [15:15] ./ [15:15] m20sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Client Quit [15:15] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:15] sporten29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [15:15] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:16] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [15:17] Tirili: ah [15:17] Tirili: SO try something like this: CCARGS="-m32" ./configure --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib [15:17] hi. how to i make dhclient stop trying to connect after 10 sec? it seems to run 60 as default. i tried setting 'timeout 10;' in /etc/dhclient.conf, but that did not help [15:17] Tirili: see if that gets you any further.. YMMV [15:18] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@aa20060611363b8b1fd4.userreverse.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [15:19] josteint: dhclient or dhcpcd? (slackware uses dhcpcd by default) [15:20] slackweird (n=acolyte@unaffiliated/slackwared) joined ##slackware. [15:20] josteint: if you're using regular rc.inet1 and rc.inet1.conf stuff, you can set e.g. DHCP_TIMEOUT[0]=10 in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [15:20] dhclient sounds like bsd ;P [15:20] ouch [15:20] pera: nah, slackware does come with dhclient, but the init scripts don't use it [15:21] my slackware VPS doesn't have anywhere to save the time, ntpdate always adjusts by 275 seconds ;) [15:21] ou =) I didn't know that [15:21] It's compiling busily now. [15:21] dissocia2ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-94-181.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [15:21] I commented out the line ldconfig in /etc/rc.d/rc.M but, still i get this message:cannot open shared object file. What should I do? [15:21] Tirili: Is that "good" ? [15:21] pera: I only know it cause I just now typed "dhcl" and hit Tab :) [15:21] Axius: what file is it saying you're missing? [15:21] I think, it stopped early the last times. [15:21] haha ok ;) [15:22] Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method. [15:22] sexy [15:22] Tirili: You should be seeng references to /lib and /usr/lib etc instead of /lib64 and /usr/lib64 [15:22] libpixman-1.so.0 [15:23] hrr, some binary called by rc.M depends on libpixman? that's weird... [15:23] Axius: so install libpixman :) [15:23] esoteric (n=esoteric@c-67-186-216-208.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] wow: 329 nicks! [15:23] spider1010 (n=spider10@66.37.250.51) left irc: "Java user signed off" [15:23] 328 [15:23] ;) [15:23] :) [15:24] Action: Alan_Hicks wonders where the term "nick-name" came from. [15:24] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@83.225.69.242) joined ##slackware. [15:24] Alan_Hicks: eh? [15:24] Dominian: What actually made us use the term "nick name"? What's it's etymology? [15:25] heck if I know [15:25] I wish I had and trademarked it [15:25] I'd be rich [15:25] I'm guessing nickelodeon. [15:25] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickname#Etymology [15:25] Alan_Hicks: i just had to look it up http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071126030141AAaLwY1 [15:25] It stopped with an error again: http://pastebin.com/m28b852fc [15:26] Axius: OK, it's the call to update-gtk-immodules that's causing your error. Is your system meant to run X or not? [15:26] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:27] "/usr/lib64/../lib/libstdc++.so" wrong [15:27] why ..? [15:27] you need /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so [15:27] (Tirili) [15:27] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:27] Has anyone ever heard of the FONTCONFIG UPDATE portion of the Installation freezing? can't get to any other virtual terminals or anything... happened twice in a row [15:28] Where can I get it? [15:28] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.39.133) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:28] ^ correction: i can get to other virtual terminals [15:28] esoteric: Wait. [15:28] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-177-189.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:28] Tirili, you have it [15:28] I thought the lib64 is already wrong. [15:28] Urchlay: my system is not meant to run x. [15:29] esoteric: This was a problem awhile back. Some of the fontconfig stuff would take forever to run. At least that's what I recall. [15:29] |CtrlAltCa| (n=fabio@host83-12-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:30] pera: he's wanting to build it 32bit [15:30] Axius: remove the gtk+2 package, in that case [15:30] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:30] Alan_Hicks: OK. ps -ef shows setup doing /usr/lib/SeTconfig and /var/log/setup/setup.80.make-bootdisk /mnt /dev/sda3 [15:30] something isn't linking properly with the build script [15:30] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [15:30] Nick change: |CtrlAltCa| -> CtrlAltCa [15:30] Tirili: I'd test it on a 32bit host first and make sure it builds right [15:30] sahko (n=sahko@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:30] Necrosporus (n=Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:30] Alan_Hicks: going on 4 minutes [15:30] ah ^^ [15:32] ok, and gtk+1? [15:34] pi31415 (n=bcollver@proxy2.whiteselectronics.com) left ##slackware. [15:34] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:35] Axius (n=fd@92.82.86.31) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:38] Axius (n=fd@92.82.86.31) joined ##slackware. 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[15:48] I've got issues with the panel and tabs in it -.-"(KDE will never change) [15:49] metrofox: ciao :) [15:49] hey deco, come va? =) [15:49] metrofox: good good , just reading like always :P and you ? [15:50] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.85.187) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:50] I was listening to music and I'm preparing something for tomorrow(Linux Day) [15:50] metrofox: nice [15:51] Tirili (n=opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) left ##slackware. [15:52] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-153-96.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [15:52] deco: are you reading the PHP book? [15:52] dissocia2ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-94-181.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:54] metrofox: yeah , now i'm learning the php zend framework [15:54] e01 (n=OSCorp01@213.169.52.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:55] great deco! ;) [15:55] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. 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[16:02] thumbs: hehe, i will find out :P, if i could i would make a cms with just php but i can't find a decent book for that , they all use frameworks [16:03] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:05] deco: And you haven't found a decent CMS which has already been written? [16:05] j0z (n=JESUS@189.114.186.88) joined ##slackware. [16:06] damn I used 'for the most part' twice in the same sentence. [16:07] stickyboy: i want to learn.... [16:08] deco: give yourself months then [16:08] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@79.51.68.162) left irc: [16:08] stig (n=stig@173.80-202-229.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:09] deco [16:09] it's fredoslaaaaack [16:09] :p [16:09] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:10] hiptobecubic (i=4b6fa159@gateway/web/freenode/x-rlqtmnqmftgkusqk) joined ##slackware. [16:11] thumbs: yeah [16:11] how are youu [16:11] ioo thumbs [16:12] fredoslack: no bad, you? [16:12] fredoslack: fine, et toi ? :D [16:12] gnoel (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:12] deco: just make a webpage with 5 huge periods ..... [16:12] je vais nice, thanks :) [16:15] fredoslack: muy bien [16:18] deco: Good call. You're right. [16:19] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.41.48) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:19] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [16:20] you guys saw this ? http://picasaweb.google.com/cschlaeger/JapanLinuxSymposium#5395358413061926434 [16:23] reallove: yeah... "At least that's what the sales guy thought. He obviously had no idea who he was dealing with. But in the end Linus surprisingly did not buy a copy." [16:24] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:24] it made my day that pic. and since I just woke up, it started good :) [16:24] i have no sound when trying to view video on youtube. anyone has any idea what could be the trouble? [16:25] He was actually spotted downloading an illegal copy of Windows 7 several hours later :P [16:25] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:25] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:25] gnoel: Just on Youtube? [16:25] well, that's all i tried [16:26] Nick_Patterson: he's his good reasons :D [16:26] but i can hear sound from streaming audio or mp3 online [16:26] and i can hear sound from streaming video. [16:26] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Connection reset by peer [16:29] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [16:29] Nick_Patterson: I have the same problem with other video. I can see the video fine, but no audio [16:29] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.50.251) joined ##slackware. [16:30] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [16:30] What are you using to play Youtube videos? Have you checked the obvious -- volume, codec, etc...? [16:30] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host81-159-190-239.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:30] yoyoned (n=todd@99-28-32-154.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] using flashplayer to view video on youtube. yes, checked volume [16:31] how do i check for the codecs? [16:32] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn60.91-127-109.t-com.sk) left ##slackware ("good night"). [16:34] I think you don't need codecs [16:35] metrofox: could it be a permission issue? [16:35] gnoel: what browser are you using? If mozilla firefox: about:plugins and watch if there's the libflashplayer plugin [16:35] gnoel: No, I don't think, how did you install it? [16:36] gnoel, Video works but not audio? [16:36] drunkenpaw (n=drunkenp@c-68-33-60-142.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:36] yes, i use firefox. i know there is a libflashplayer plugin (i had to install it manually) [16:36] you used a slackbuild, an already compiled package(if yes, which one) [16:36] and yes, video works fine but no audio [16:36] but audio works fine otherwise (like listening to mp3 files) [16:37] gnoel: what's the libflashplayer's path' [16:37] *? [16:37] It should be in: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so [16:37] path to plugin is /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ [16:38] yes, that's what it is [16:38] well, remove it [16:38] (not the dir, but the library) [16:38] remove the libflashplayer.so? [16:38] yes [16:38] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [16:38] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:38] and reinstall it? [16:38] greetings and salutations [16:39] gnoel: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/flash-player-plugin/ [16:39] hi andarius [16:39] greetings andarius, how are you? [16:39] salutations metrofox [16:39] salutations fire|bird, well. i am home now :) you ? [16:39] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.122.217) joined ##slackware. [16:39] gnoel: are you in audio group? [16:39] andarius: I am great, thank you. :) [16:39] download the archive for your architecture, download the archive containing slackbuild, README, slack-desc etc... [16:41] metrofox: ok, trying that...i'll get back to you once i am done [16:41] ;) take your time [16:41] winter: yes, i am in the audio group [16:42] lol... tomorrow linux day here in Italy, or linux gay as freebsd users call it :D [16:42] error_developer_ (n=errordev@host86-147-236-18.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:43] lol [16:44] fredoslack (n=fredosla@90.60.106.165) left irc: "Leaving" [16:44] hey Scu(gni)zz [16:44] salut [16:44] i didnt know you were from italy [16:44] yep [16:44] you type verry well [16:44] and you from french [16:45] naw [16:45] canada [16:45] azzz... they're near [16:45] *France [16:45] ;) (yes... it was a useless joke -.-") [16:46] lol [16:46] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-153-96.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:46] Scuzz: what's up mate? [16:46] not much [16:46] jsut being bored [16:47] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Client Quit [16:47] was reading some info on making slackbuilds [16:47] but not as easy as i thought it was going to be [16:47] Scuzz: they're simple, you just need a little bash knowledge ;) [16:48] yeah , well thats where i fail [16:48] still learning [16:48] but your right [16:48] some stuff i need to ad patches [16:48] Scuzz: ;) I learned it just reading some infos a little How-TOs [16:49] ill give it ago after i have dinner [16:49] Scuzz: it depends by the software and, I hate making slackbuilds of a binary or a Java software for example ;) [16:49] ienh (n=ienh@ARennes-353-1-64-132.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:50] v4nelle (n=van@adsl163-68.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:50] my goal is to make vdr into a a package with all my patches applied [16:50] i also need some dependencies for it [16:51] rworkman (i=3356@about/slackware/rworkman) joined ##slackware. [16:51] but i think i can figure it out with a little time [16:51] hi mr. rworkman :) [16:51] ola [16:51] rworkman: what's up? =) Uh, congratulations for KDE 4.3.2 ;) [16:51] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:51] alphad64 (n=alphad@213.136.96.104) joined ##slackware. [16:52] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:52] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [16:52] metrofox: same problem after installing flashplayer plugin with slackbuild [16:52] nice u jsut noticed the update after you mentiond it [16:52] video works, but no audio [16:54] Action: metrofox thinks how flashplayer sucks [16:54] metrofox: just got home from work; re kde, that was largely vbatts - I did very little (if anything) on that. :) [16:54] Action: gnoel agrees with metrofox [16:54] vbatts decided to come off his meds to take care of KDE>. now he's back on the meds [16:55] One can hope. [16:55] either that or he has better meds now... [16:56] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-163-165.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:56] Real Margarine. [16:56] slick [16:56] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:57] jjnw (n=jjnw-wib@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[17:10] sahko (n=sahko@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:10] meds == payingDayJob [17:11] those require their own meds more often than not :( [17:13] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [17:17] esteeven (n=esteeven@82-32-107-213.cable.ubr02.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:18] I haven't created an xorg.conf file yet. What's the best tool to use to create one? [17:19] oh my god, "/usr/libexec/xscreensaver/glmatrix -root" :D [17:20] esoteric: you're on slackware13? [17:20] yes [17:20] esoteric: you probably don't need an xorg.conf then [17:20] is everything working alright? [17:21] gnoel (n=gnoel@c-24-0-150-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:21] yeah, but some things are being drawn a little slow, etc so I wanted to try a tweak some settings. [17:22] esoteric: which graphic card and which driver? [17:23] Camarade_Tux: Nvidia GeForce 9500 GT (G96) and just whatever driver it uses from the HAL autoconfig stuff [17:23] your in luck [17:23] ? [17:23] jsut downlaod the proprietary driver [17:24] from nvidia [17:24] durring the install it will as to create your xorg.conf [17:24] ask* [17:24] is the xorg it creates for the version that slackware 13 is running? [17:24] err xorg.conf [17:24] yeah works well [17:24] esoteric: the "nv" driver sucks hairy balls (and that's nice) [17:25] i have an 800gts [17:25] works jsut fine [17:25] Camarade_Tux: :) [17:25] 8800 [17:25] Scuzz: cool, I'll download the driver [17:25] thanks guys [17:25] Hairy balls are gross. I shave mine. :D [17:25] i have a g80 [17:25] no vdpau support [17:25] esoteric: "yeah, but some things are being drawn a little slow" <- is it really only a "little" slow? :P [17:26] hmmm, my cards haz vdpau support (8600M GS) [17:26] Camarade_Tux: if I try and drag around a glxgears window it lags behind the mouse quite a bit [17:26] Camarade_Penis [17:26] Nick_Patterson: pics or I don't believe it :) [17:26] lol [17:26] jeez, you're there! :) [17:26] Camarade_Tux: Hahahah [17:27] I'm running the 2.6.31.5 kernel, the nvidia driver should be fine with that, right? [17:27] esoteric: how long have you been using this driver for? [17:27] esoteric: yup [17:27] it works with 2.6.32 too actually [17:27] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:28] Camarade_Tux: cool -- this is actually that slack 13 install I'm doing on that Mac Pro ;) [17:29] reaperIII (n=reaperII@41.122.229.188) joined ##slackware. [17:30] hi all [17:31] hi reaperIII [17:31] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:31] hi [17:31] esoteric: ok, the nv driver is really the worst thing, it has always made me want to cry [17:32] the nv driver [17:32] i havnt had any issues [17:32] hi esoteric [17:32] hey, reaperIII [17:32] ronald_ (n=ronald@204.116.241.77) joined ##slackware. [17:32] Scuzz: sure you won't get fined for going over the speed limit... [17:32] hi, i just updated kde from -current and now all my menu icons and taskbar icons are gone. [17:32] my video sucks without the nv driver [17:33] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:33] ronald_: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/gtk-icons-suddenly-missing/ [17:33] Scuzz: "nv" or "nvidia"? [17:33] Camarade_Tux: thank you buddy [17:33] the proprietary driver [17:33] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-104-155.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:33] I wonder if updating to the latest -current wouldn't solve the problem too [17:34] ronald_: just linking others' work :) [17:34] Scuzz: yeah, but "nv" is the world crappiest driver [17:34] if you say so [17:35] we agree "nvidia" works pretty well [17:35] what is the probability that the error "no such device" when mounting aufs means that aufs module is not loaded or some aufs tools are missing? aufs itself seems to work.. :) [17:35] even resizing xterms with "nv" is painful... [17:35] nvidia ok here [17:37] can i use mailto in a cron job to automatically send me a file ? [17:37] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.158.227.14.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:39] reaperIII: eh, why shouldn't you be able to? [17:41] john_dee (n=id@93-81-137-215.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [17:41] Stanto (n=nnscript@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: No route to host [17:43] anyone ever had problems with wicd and dhcp? [17:43] if I connect through the command line, most of the time I can make it work... but wicd can never get me an ip thtough wicd [17:44] google tells me it's a somewhat common issue [17:44] Camarade_Tux: oddly that does not fix the problem. he says on his blog that the pidgin and wicd icons are messed up, those are fine. it's actually all the icons on the kde menu are gone and the kde start menu icon itself is missing. [17:45] well, I have troubles too and I switched to "sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid any && sleep 1 && sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid 'Neuf WiFi' && sleep 2 && sudo dhcpcd -k wlan0; sudo dhcpcd -d -t 15 wlan0" [17:45] ronald_: you updated everything, not only kde, right? [17:46] yes [17:46] Camarade_Tux: ever found the reason why wicd fails in that? [17:46] have you deleted or renamed your old ~/.kde and/or ~/.local directory? [17:46] i did have to remove .kde before because i screwed the panel up [17:46] Kaapa: I wasn't using wifi before two weeks ago [17:46] hiptobecubic (i=4b6fa159@gateway/web/freenode/x-rlqtmnqmftgkusqk) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [17:46] dhcp isn't... state of the art tech [17:46] but i've logged in since then and before the upgrade and all the icons were there [17:46] walmartshopper (n=walmarts@rrcs-67-53-100-254.west.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:47] Urchlay: yeah i did delete it before the upgrade .kde [17:47] walmartshopper (n=walmarts@67.53.100.254) joined ##slackware. [17:47] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:48] anavel (n=Zack@fm-ip-118.136.240.131.fast.net.id) joined ##slackware. [17:48] NaCl: btw, had you tried gobject-introspection for other things than udev? [17:50] would that have caused this? like i said i had logged in since then. seemed only after the upgrade this happened [17:50] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [17:51] Camarade_Tux: I tried the examples. [17:51] Didn't work. [17:51] ronald_: in the menu, is there a mix of working and non-working icons? [17:51] NaCl: only for udev? [17:51] Camarade_Tux: I'm not going to worry about it now. [17:52] No, I meant the Everything library that came with gobject-introspection. [17:52] I may mess with it later. [17:52] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:53] jjnw (n=jjnw-wib@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [17:53] NaCl: I'm announcing my project that uses parts of gobject-introspection by mail and I'm saying that I don't believe in generating bindings at runtime like gobject-introspection tries to do, I wanted to know how much this wasn't working [17:53] Camarade_Tux: no none are there [17:53] NaCl: ah, I see [17:54] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.122.217) left irc: "leaving" [17:54] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:54] .desktop files -> some tool -> something DE-dependant -> menu [17:55] maybe kde has a cache and it'd need purging or the icons have move? [17:55] *moved [17:55] Action: Camarade_Tux doesn't use kde [17:55] walmartshopper (n=walmarts@67.53.100.254) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [17:56] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.158.227.14.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:56] rworkman, around perchance? [17:56] i got it to work [17:57] how? [17:57] walmartshopper (n=walmarts@rrcs-67-53-100-254.west.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:58] i went to the kde system settings and there is a place under appearence labeled icons. I changed them there and it gave a progress bar of updating the cache and then it was fixed. [17:58] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-wvnyoljpbmzbbxzz) left irc: "Page closed" [17:58] i think the reason is that the icon themes have changed completley [17:59] the icons that were in 4.2.4 are not in kde 4.3 at all apparently [18:00] maybe, i might be wrong [18:00] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:00] well thanks for your help [18:01] Camarade_Tux: Scuzz: Installed Nvidia proprietary driver -- much much better [18:01] esoteric: ^^ [18:01] ronald_: glad it's fixed :) [18:02] Camarade_Tux: i need a hug now :( [18:03] ronald_ (n=ronald@204.116.241.77) left irc: "leaving" [18:04] Action: metrofox hugs deco [18:04] metrofox: thanks :P [18:04] I'm not Camarade_Tux, I'm his substitute :D [18:04] we can group hug too [18:04] Camarade_Tux: i'm disappointed in you... [18:05] *in*? [18:05] Camarade_Tux: english is a weird language, that's normal usage [18:05] yup [18:06] I think in group hug... no? [18:06] should my daily user be a member of any other group(s) besides the following in order to do daily tasks such as burning, playing games, etc : plugdev, cdrom, audio, ... [18:07] te (n=te@adsl-68-94-209-238.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:07] Urchlay: yeah, that's what I started to wonder after writing my message [18:08] Camarade_Tux: mon cheri you still have many things to learn :P [18:08] lol mon cheri [18:08] (buoni i mon cheri italiani :P) [18:08] :P [18:09] Italian mon cheri(s) are chocolate with liquor inside ^^ [18:09] :o [18:09] Italian? [18:09] metrofox: didn't know that [18:09] nevermind. found it. [18:09] oh yeah Ferrero [18:09] so tasty [18:10] yeah appzer0 [18:10] appzer0: have you never taste them? [18:10] hobin (n=hobin___@94.125.216.34) left irc: "Leaving" [18:11] *tasted [18:15] waabimiigwan (n=steven@66.165.210.174) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:16] while on the subject of proprietary drivers. any hope of getting the "legacy" ati driver installed on slack 13? should i just install the latest devel version of xorg? i've heard it has better 3d/dri support for ati cards... [18:17] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [18:17] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:18] vronsky, what card? [18:18] radeon mobility x1300 [18:19] I have lua installed on my machine, but stepmania's configure is telling me that liblua is not there. /usr/include/lua.h and /usr/include/lualib.h are both present [18:19] hiptobecubic: config.log :) [18:19] oh, just put "radeon" as the driver in your xorg, that might be a bit slower, but much more stable and more compatible [18:19] hiptobecubic: I think it looks for a .pc file [18:19] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:19] edman007: but there is not 3d accel right? [18:19] hiptobecubic: you haven't used slackbuilds.org's slackbuild, have you? [18:19] no, 3d on that card [18:20] Camarade_Tux, for stepmania? I didn't see one. [18:20] and i got 3d working on my 3870 with open source drivers (those can't play UT *yet*) [18:20] hiptobecubic: for lua [18:20] I go to bed now, see ya guys, ciao deco ;) [18:20] it's already using ati: (**) |-->Screen "Builtin Default ati Screen 0" (0) [18:20] bye Camarade_Tux [18:20] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [18:20] Camarade_Tux, then yes. [18:20] metrofox: ciao :) [18:20] Camarade_Tux, http://pastebin.ca/1640842 [18:20] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.171.123) left irc: "+-||\-" [18:20] Ephedrax_ (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-34-227.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:21] vronsky, then that will use radeon [18:21] ronald_ (n=ronald@204.116.241.77) joined ##slackware. [18:21] that will do 3d too [18:22] edman007: when i run glxgears my whole display goes black [18:22] hiptobecubic: how old is stepmania? [18:22] vronsky, update to the latest mesa [18:22] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:22] 3.9... hmmmm ls -l suggests 2005 [18:23] Camarade_Tux: I found out the problem. When I did my upgrade I did upgade-all, though didn't do install-new on slackpkg. I just did it and there were the oxygen icons package right there. so it's installing now. [18:23] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] edman007: hm wow, 3d is actually faster than i remember on mesa on earlier distros. what mesa version is the minimum i should have? [18:24] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-136-178.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [18:24] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:24] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:603) joined ##slackware. [18:24] so very annoying [18:25] vronsky, dunno, but a black display sounds like a mesa bug, and slackware includes a fairly outdated one... 7.6 i think is the latest i think, use that [18:25] Emanon (n=quassel@c-67-183-42-162.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:25] just use the slackbuild from slackware [18:25] Emanon (n=quassel@c-67-183-42-162.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [18:25] edman007: hm, looks like slack has 7.5; $glxinfo | grep version -> OpenGL version string: 1.4 Mesa 7.5 [18:26] yea, so upgrade [18:26] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.26.48) joined ##slackware. [18:27] Camarade_Tux, should that matter? [18:27] ronald_: ok, good to know [18:27] 7.5 is the latest official slackware mesa package for 13.0 [18:27] hiptobecubic: when was the last update? more than three years ago? [18:27] 2005 it appears [18:27] vronsky, ftp://ftp.freedesktop.org/pub/mesa/7.6/ and http://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-13.0/source/x/mesa/ is all you need to make the package [18:28] hiptobecubic: *maybe* it is too old and a function was removed from lua, [18:28] that is a very very wild guess [18:28] ronald_ (n=ronald@204.116.241.77) left irc: "leaving" [18:28] i see. [18:29] hiptobecubic: but on the other hand, there are several results on google for "undefined reference to `lua_open'" whic is your error [18:29] te (n=te@adsl-68-94-209-238.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:29] right. [18:30] that sounds like linking failure to me... [18:30] I can wgetpaste the configure script? I don't know if that will shed any light on it [18:30] Action: edman007 is running git mesa [18:30] i didn't need to upgrade X [18:31] hiptobecubic: I'm late to the party... what are you even trying to build? did you pastebin the output of the configure script? [18:31] hiptobecubic: no, no need to [18:31] Urchlay, stepmania :D [18:31] tada! http://pastebin.ca/1640853 [18:31] Camarade_Tux, oh. [18:31] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-176-085.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:32] oh, crap, it's an open source "dance dance revolution" clone... [18:32] Action: Urchlay runs away screaming [18:32] Urchlay: ^^ [18:32] It's great and I love it and i'll have non of your nay-saying [18:32] oh, libdrm may need an upgrade though ;) [18:33] I didn't really wanna see the configure script itself, wanted to see its output [18:33] Urchlay, http://pastebin.ca/1640842 [18:33] hiptobecubic: I've seen too many 300+ pound people playing DDR, just thinking about it gives me nightmares [18:33] Good for them. It's a great workout [18:34] /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-slackware-linux/4.3.3/../../../../x86_64-slackware-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -llualib [18:34] taking a closer look, their test program looks horrible [18:34] what gui app are people using to play audio files with? [18:34] hiptobecubic: if only they'd stay home and play it, I'd agree... [18:34] Urchlay: nah, earlier, it finds -llua but fails to compile [18:34] I'd maybe patch the configure [18:35] elisdj (n=jeo@c-24-5-73-175.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:35] esoteric: amarok from the glory days [18:35] aka kde 3.5.10 [18:35] or audacious [18:35] mplayer ^^ [18:35] Action: Camarade_Tux hates audacious [18:35] Action: deco slaps Camarade_Tux [18:36] deco: audacious is killing earth, it uses too much resources! [18:36] undefined reference to lua_open.... [18:36] Action: fire|bird drop kicks deco :) [18:36] fire|bird: defending your bitch eh ? :P [18:36] hiptobecubic: do you in fact have lua installed? It's not on a stock slack 13 system... [18:36] deco: where did you get your slackbuild for Audacious? [18:36] Urchlay, yes [18:37] esoteric: it's already installed... if you do the dvd installation [18:37] did* [18:37] deco: thx [18:37] deco: nope, just defending against the slapping of innocent people. ;) [18:37] fire|bird: he is not innocent [18:37] .... [18:37] edman007: compiling, we'll see how it goes. [18:37] when i'm lazy i just do mplayer *.mp3 [18:38] http://vpaste.net/sGhVD? [18:38] deco: yep [18:38] you really expect that code to work? [18:38] hey uniformed|hundreds [18:38] er, Urchlay [18:38] Camarade_Tux, lol [18:38] hey, drawbridge|infamously [18:39] eh, you know who I mean... [18:39] lol [18:39] knnk (n=ngworeka@cpe-70-112-203-34.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:39] Urchlay: you're Like Fire? :) [18:39] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.26.211) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:39] eh? [18:40] bah, meant fire|bird :) [18:40] Action: Camarade_Tux blames it on the lack of sleep and headache [18:40] Camarade_Tux: go to bed.... [18:40] edman007: all programs on slack will still be linked to the older version in /usr/lib right? not the new one in /usr/local/lib? [18:40] reaperIII (n=reaperII@41.122.229.188) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:40] deco: yeah ;) [18:40] vronsky: that, you never know :D [18:40] :O [18:41] of mesa? i think it will just swap out your libGL.so which is what things should be linked to [18:41] vronsky: at compile time, or at run time? for run time, check /etc/ld.so.conf [18:41] for compile time, depends on the -L switch(es) given to the compiler/linker [18:42] gnubien (n=e@97.100.244.58) joined ##slackware. [18:42] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.50.251) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:42] and the really entertaining thing about ld.so.conf is that /usr/lib (or /usr/lib64) isn't listed there, it's part of the default search path, but nobody can ever remember whether it comes before or after the ones listed... "man ld.so" probably explains it [18:42] Action: Camarade_Tux thinks this is too unreliable [18:43] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "snoozles, i go to get some..." [18:43] Urchlay: and same for gcc, which comes first? [18:44] Camarade_Tux: yeah, /usr/lib (or /usr/lib64) is in the default path for gcc, I *think* the compiler looks there after any -L directories [18:44] are we discussing my compile problem or a different oen? [18:44] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [18:44] vronsky: it's a terrinly bad idea to keep 2 copies of the same library in both /usr and /usr/local [18:45] hiptobecubic: was trying to answer vronsky [18:45] s/nly/bly/ [18:45] Urchlay, no problem. just wasn't sure if i was supposed to be contributing [18:45] Urchlay: yeah, after, but is /usr/local before or after /usr? :) [18:45] it's a pretty bad idea to mix libs that way imho [18:46] hiptobecubic: as for yours, can't you override the detection of lua? [18:46] hiptobecubic: what happens if you compile a "hello world" C program with -llua on the gcc command line? [18:46] like LUA_FLAGS or something? [18:46] gcc -llua -o hello hello.c # assuming hello.c exists [18:47] oh wait, this program is worse than I thought :o [18:47] if hello.c is calling a function from liblua, then -llua should come after hello.c [18:47] it declares a function with a funny type, doesn't give an implementation and hopes it exists in liblua [18:48] `gcc hw.c -llua` works [18:48] really, http://vpaste.net/sGhVD? was funny at first, now it makes me wanna cry [18:49] Camarade_Tux, can you explain that a little better? What did they try to do there? [18:49] briareus (n=briareus@mayo-nat2.mayo.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:49] hiptobecubic: no idea [18:49] Camarade_Tux, assuemd that lua_open was part of lua.h ? [18:49] I guess it assumed some behaviour and relied on it [18:50] hiptobecubic: no, that gcc would accept that [18:50] hiptobecubic: does ./configure --help lists lua-related variables at the end? [18:50] no sadly [18:51] hiptobecubic: can you find where this snippet of code is in the configure file? [18:52] the snippet that calls -llua? [18:53] hiptobecubic: the snippet that looks like http://vpaste.net/sGhVD? [18:53] i think Zend framework actually makes developing php more complicated :( [18:53] yes @ 5738 [18:54] hiptobecubic: try replacing it with http://vpaste.net/n0ktR? [18:54] hmmm, wait [18:55] instead of the "#include [18:55] line [18:55] try: #include [18:55] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-34-173.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: "Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug." [18:55] ok, so liblua exists, but doesn't (apparently) contain lua_open() [18:56] errr, hiptobecubic, no need to use /usr/include/lua.h, don't change this [18:56] Action: Camarade_Tux really needs sleep [18:56] Urchlay, but it does. grep found this -> /usr/include/lua.h:#define lua_open() luaL_newstate() [18:56] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.55.3) joined ##slackware. [18:57] hiptobecubic: it's a declaration, not an implementation [18:57] hiptobecubic: you'd need to grep the sources of lua [18:57] Yeah, but why do we need the implementation? It never gets called, it just has to compile. [18:57] or run nm on the *unstripped* liblua (you maybe still have it in /tmp) [18:59] twolf (n=none@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [19:00] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:00] just because the header file contains a declaration for a function, doesn't mean the actual library (.so or .a) contains that function [19:01] Urchlay, but it doesn't ever check that, does it? [19:01] hiptobecubic: sure it does, that's what the "gcc conftest.c" stuff is for [19:01] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) joined ##slackware. [19:01] oh [19:01] it tries to compile & link a program that includes lua.h and links to liblua [19:03] So is this boned then? [19:05] mmm, boned [19:07] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189-69-18-100.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:08] rarrrrarararagh [19:08] I don't know enough about lua to think of anything helpful... [19:08] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@216.145.101.109) left irc: "Leaving" [19:08] where'd you get your lua package? slackbuilds.org? [19:09] hahaha: http://zfs.macosforge.org/ [19:09] "The ZFS project has been discontinued. The mailing list and repository will also be removed shortly." [19:10] nice move apple :) [19:10] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-12.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:10] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [19:10] Urchlay, yes. [19:10] (not to stop, but to to delete everything) [19:10] freebse (n=freebse@f055120203.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [19:12] hiptobecubic: I'm building it now (yes I'm that bored) [19:12] Urchlay, lua? [19:12] yah [19:12] Drone4four (n=Drone4fo@CPE001e58060588-CM001cea644aca.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [19:13] Urchlay, followed by some delicious stepmania? [19:13] berke (n=berke@nv-67-232-151-51.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:14] good night [19:14] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-34-173.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [19:14] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:14] I guess i could try stepmania-4-alpha-4... [19:14] yah. I won't guarantee I'll be able to actually play the game worth a damn though (does it even work with a keyboard/mouse?) [19:14] Camarade_Tux, night. thanks [19:14] good night Camarade_Tux [19:15] has anyone been able to install oracle 10g or later on slackware 13.0? [19:15] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [19:17] Urchlay, it works great with a keyboard :) [19:17] I passed many hours at the security desk doing songs that my feet could never hope to keep up with [19:18] hahahaha [19:18] http://picasaweb.google.com/cschlaeger/JapanLinuxSymposium#5395358413061926434 [19:19] Linus seems to have a pretty decent life. [19:21] EasyTUX_ (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-103-99.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:21] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:22] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [19:23] OK, trying to build stepmania, I get the same problem as you get. Investigating... [19:24] hi * [19:25] Urchlay, :D this is great! [19:27] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:27] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-103-99.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:29] interesting and annoying. I can't get my own hellolua.c to fail to compile/link, even with their flags... [19:29] Urchlay, it fails if you call lua_open() :) [19:29] no, it doesn't [19:30] kiyoura (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:30] Urchlay, really? Mine did, although i only took one C/C++ course in university and don't know much about linking at all [19:30] OK, direct copy/paste of their exact contents of conftest.c + their gcc command line, causes it to fail the same way. Now to figure out why.. [19:32] for one thing, lua_open() is a macro defined in /usr/include/lua.h, *not* a function as declared in conftest.c! [19:32] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-176-085.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [19:32] hi all, I'm having yet another oddball problem with VirtualBox slackbuild. Day before yesterday, I was in here, someone helped me get it running. I then had to shutdown and go home. Just now I fire it up, more errors that make no sense to me. Any vbox brains here? [19:32] jkr (n=jkr@ti0017a380-0999.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [19:32] Urchlay, but you can call macros... can't you? [19:32] berke: oracle on slackware? that's just plain nuts [19:32] their configure script is outdated apparently (am guessing lua_open() used to be a real function, but now it's a macro defined for backwards compatibility) [19:33] hiptobecubic: yes, but conftest.c doesn't #include , so the macro never gets defined [19:33] briareus, just pastebin the errors. I may or may not be a brain? [19:34] ok [19:34] Urchlay, interesting. But how would the function get defined then? [19:34] ananke, why do you say that? [19:34] it ain't a function. [19:34] apparently, in older versions of lua, it was a function [19:35] ananke, Im only running it for school [19:35] Urchlay, but i mean, if it were a function and lua.h wasn't being included, how would gcc find it? [19:35] berke: multiple reasons. for starters, if you're spending money on oracle applications, you should budget for a supported operating system. oracle is notorious for being a major PITA to install, even on supported operating systems [19:35] because conftest.c contains a line "char lua_open();", which declares it [19:35] oracle is free [19:35] berke: majority of their apps are not free [19:36] at least my student version is [19:36] chances are you're using oracle express, or your educational institution has a campus agreement [19:36] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:36] hiptobecubic: http://pastebin.com/m2d520a29 [19:36] I heard oracle recently aqcuired mysql [19:36] stamp (n=stamp@chello087207009097.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:36] VirtualBox oddity: http://pastebin.com/m2d520a29 [19:36] berke: yes, it did [19:37] hiptobecubic: the fix will be to change the configure script's conftest.c stuff to #include everywhere it declares char lua_open(); [19:37] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:37] briareus, `less /usr/bin/VirtualBox` is it a wrapper script? [19:38] I don't know what a wrapper script is [19:38] I'm lessing it [19:38] it's a long script [19:38] stamp (n=stamp@chello087207009097.chello.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:39] briareus, meaning is it a script that sets up some variables or something and then calls the binary itself (which it believes to be present in /opt/..) [19:39] shall I pastebin the /usr/bin/VirtualBox? [19:39] briareus, yes [19:39] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:39] Urchlay, hmm. sounds terrible. :D [19:40] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [19:40] hiptobecubic: http://pastebin.com/m655c1d7c [19:40] hiptobecubic: also, it's looking for -llualib, which doesn't exist in the lua package (there's a /usr/lib/liblua.so, but no /usr/lib/liblualib.so) [19:40] I don't see /opt/ anywhere in that file. [19:40] Urchlay, interesting.. [19:40] I can't figure why it's failing that way [19:40] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@81.57.177.108) joined ##slackware. [19:41] all the signs point to the app being developed for an old version of lua... and the new version is massively incompatible. I dunno whether we'd get the game to even run, if we ever get it to compile [19:41] vronsky (n=jh@cpe-075-183-106-088.triad.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:42] hang on a sec, have you tried rebuilding the configure script with "autoreconf"? [19:42] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:42] Urchlay, no. [19:43] it doesn't help [19:43] bummer [19:43] Urchlay,hiptobecubic: what game? just curious [19:43] Urchlay, the svn version passes ./configure. I'm trying to build it right now but it's an alpha build so who knows how that will go. [19:43] neonflux, StepMania ! [19:43] something called "stepmania", a dance-dance revolution clone [19:43] hiptobecubic: it doesn't make any sense, does it? (the error messages I posted). biazarro. [19:43] ah [19:44] briareus, well it's calling $INSTALL_DIR/VirtualBox/... [19:44] Nick change: Kiboney -> IEATRANDOMTHINGS [19:44] briareus, so $INSTALL_DIR was probably set as /opt [19:44] where would that be set? [19:45] I mean, I just cleared out all the sources, installs, and started over, and have the same error. Whatever is setting that to /opt/ is ... beyond me [19:45] That's just it, it doesn't appear to be set in that script unless it reads a config file somewhere... which would be generated at build time. You say you used the SBo slackbuild? [19:45] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.43.251) joined ##slackware. [19:46] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.214) joined ##slackware. [19:46] hiptobecubic: yes [19:46] downloaded and installed using sbopkg [19:46] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:46] I never touched the slackbuilds myself (not manually) [19:46] Nick change: EasyTUX_ -> EasyTUX [19:47] hiptobecubic: the stepmania autoconf stuff includes its own custom m4 macros to check for lua, which are broken for this version of lua. You might be able to get the release to build by grabbing autoconf/m4/lua.m4 from the SVN repo [19:47] hm. I'll try thank [19:47] Urchlay, thanks* ^ [19:47] Nick change: IEATRANDOMTHINGS -> Kiboner [19:48] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "leaving" [19:48] freebse (n=freebse@f055120203.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [19:48] anyway, I gotta get outta here [19:48] back in many hours, let me know how it went.. [19:48] Urchlay, ok. Thanks again [19:49] briareus, i'm looking at it... [19:50] thanks [19:50] hiptobecubic, you could try the patch that the Arch linux guys are using in their PKGBUILD --> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/stepmania/stepmania/stepmania-3.9-lua51-2.patch [19:51] Nick change: Kiboner -> Kiboney [19:51] neonflux, not a bad idea [19:52] hiptobecubic: they use a lot of patches. You might want to take a look at it and the corresponding PKGBUILD [19:52] http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=5453 [19:52] Where is the directory that has all of the systems installed packages? [19:53] huh? [19:54] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:603) left irc: No route to host [19:55] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.43.251) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:55] hiptobecubic: asking me? [19:55] asking anyone [19:55] There is a directory full of files containing the isntalled packages on a system [19:56] I'm looking [19:56] i thought it was /var/cache/packages/ but mine is quite empty [19:57] not sure yet, still looking [19:57] /var/log i think [19:58] Action: deco is sleepy and it's 5pm [19:58] yeah, /var/log/packages is what it looks like here [19:58] briareus, pastebin /var/log/packages/ [19:59] brb [19:59] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-176-085.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:00] hiptobecubic: http://pastebin.com/d96576e [20:01] briareus, pastebin contents of virtualbox-ose-3.0.8-i486-1_SBo [20:02] credo (n=credo@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [20:02] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:02] its a file, not a dir? [20:03] bash: cd: /var/log/packages/virtualbox-ose-3.0.8-i486-1_SBo: Not a directory [20:03] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] it's a file [20:03] john_dee (n=id@93-81-137-215.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [20:03] briareus, the contents of the file :) sorry [20:03] `cat virtualbox-ose-3.0.8-i486-1_SBo | wgetpaste` or whatever you are using to pastebin [20:04] it's too long, I can't scroll up enough [20:04] oooh, thanks [20:04] briareus, wgetpaste is in sbo, it's nice [20:04] I was just highlighting and pasting [20:05] hmm, I installed wgetpaste, tried your command, but I got: [20:05] Apparently nothing was received. Perhaps the connection failed. Enable --verbose or [20:05] spooge (n=spooge@173-18-193-232.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [20:05] --debug to get the output from wget that can help diagnose it correctly. [20:05] :) [20:05] pera (n=pera@186.136.117.234) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:05] vronsky (n=jh@cpe-075-183-106-088.triad.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:06] hmm, says my connection is failing for wgetpaste (failing to resolve dpaste.com) [20:06] good night [20:07] oh it's too long, use wgetpaste -s ca [20:07] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:07] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [20:07] bah [20:08] use pastebin.slackadelic.com and the pasteling script ;) [20:08] Your paste can be seen here: http://pastebin.ca/1640965 [20:08] cool [20:08] thanks for that [20:09] berke (n=berke@nv-67-232-151-51.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:09] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [20:10] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-103-99.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:11] briareus, it looks like the executable might be at /usr/lib/VirtualBox/VirtualBox [20:11] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [20:12] hmm [20:12] try running that, if it works then you need to edit /etc/vbox/vbox.cfg so that it points in the right place... i think [20:13] briareus, but first just try running it and see if it launches [20:13] <[ briareus@slackbook ]> /usr/lib/virtualbox$ VirtualBox [20:14] /usr/bin/VirtualBox: line 89: /opt/VirtualBox/VirtualBox: No such file or directory [20:14] /usr/bin/VirtualBox: line 89: exec: /opt/VirtualBox/VirtualBox: cannot execute: No such file or directory [20:14] :/ [20:14] thansk for trying to help me [20:15] hmmm [20:15] wierd, huh [20:15] i have to go make dinner :). If you're here when i'm back we'll keep going. good luck [20:16] and yet, when I left here two days ago, the last thing I did was fire it up, and it came up! I then closed it, shut down the laptop, and didn't start again until today. ssssstrange.... [20:16] thanks for the help! [20:17] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.43.251) joined ##slackware. [20:17] god i'm going bald :( [20:17] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.43.251) left irc: Client Quit [20:18] deco: that's a Rush song [20:18] briareus: :o [20:18] deco: I went bald a decade ago, I think, but I didn't know it because I was shaving my head since my early 20s [20:18] it wasnt until I tried to grow it out a while back I was like, holy shitfuck, I'm bald! [20:18] briareus: im 21 [20:18] but I was already bald, if you know what I mean [20:19] deco: get more free tin on your diet [20:19] deco: look up what ranchers do for their cattle (or other animals) that have pica. [20:19] briareus: hmmm, my forehead just keeps getting bigger and bigger... [20:20] chicks dig it [20:20] :o [20:20] think of all those 18 year olds who sleep with their dad's friends. [20:21] ...... [20:21] k [20:21] they're just practicing for your bald head [20:21] briareus, just cause deco sleeps with his dads best friends doesn't mean everyone else does [20:21] jeev: i love you [20:21] oh SNAP [20:21] Action: deco hugs jeev [20:21] eww [20:21] even if you are a jew [20:21] i still love you [20:28] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-100.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:33] deco, what's with the semitic references? [20:34] yeah, what's wrong with kikes and hebes? [20:34] anyone know how to set usb permissions with hal or something? [20:35] thrice` (i=thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:35] deco, id' rather die than be one! [20:35] Alan_Hicks (n=alan@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:35] Action: edman007 is trying to configure a usb device to have sane permissions so he can use it [20:36] so who can use it, Hal? [20:36] john_dee (n=id@93-81-137-215.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [20:36] Alan_Hicks (n=alan@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [20:37] thrice` (i=thrice@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [20:37] me [20:37] anyone in europe wanna call a phone # for me? i just want to know how this company pronounces their name on the recording [20:38] it really is pronounced "dumbass" [20:41] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:43] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [20:46] this is too perplexing; over my head. [20:47] briareus: still having the issue? [20:47] I keep looking at it and looking at it, makes no sense to me. [20:47] amazon10x: freakin bizarro, yes. [20:47] I mean its new/different [20:47] were you helping me two days ago? [20:47] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [20:48] edman007: whata e you trying to do exactley ? [20:48] I got vbox running while here in the channel with someone's help, but that was the last/only time it ran. I had to go home, shut down my system, now vbox has a new problem. [20:48] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62.47.141.34) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [20:49] <[ briareus@slackbook ]> ~$ VirtualBox [20:49] /usr/bin/VirtualBox: line 89: /opt/VirtualBox/VirtualBox: No such file or directory [20:49] /usr/bin/VirtualBox: line 89: exec: /opt/VirtualBox/VirtualBox: cannot execute: No such file or directory [20:49] make my usb stuff use a usb group...i thought hal might be able to do it in a device specific way, and i don't feel like dealing with udev [20:50] edman007: you jsut trying to give access to a usb stick or harddrive to a user ? [20:50] or does hal not do file permissions.. [20:50] Scuzz, no, lcd [20:50] line 89 of /usr/bin/VirtualBox is: exec "$INSTALL_DIR/VirtualBox" "$@" [20:50] oh [20:50] but nothing was ever installed into /opt, so I have no clue why it wants that [20:50] yea..i don't want to run the daemon as root ;) [20:51] edman007, i think udev is gonna be easier than hal... [20:51] alright...i'm just mad at udev because it moved my config files out of /etc a while ago [20:52] briareus: did you use the slackbuild? [20:52] I miss straight config files [20:53] don't ask; don't tell on config files [20:53] BP{k}: yeah [20:53] BP{k}: sbopkg [20:54] briareus: ls /var/log/packages/virtualbox-* /var/log/packages/acpica* [20:55] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:55] /var/log/packages/acpica-20090903-i486-1_SBo [20:55] /var/log/packages/virtualbox-kernel-3.0.8_2.6.31.4-i486-1_SBo [20:55] . [20:55] /var/log/packages/virtualbox-ose-3.0.8-i486-1_SBo [20:55] /var/log/packages/virtualbox-ose-addons-3.0.8-i486-1_SBo [20:55] (trying to avoid the kick there, I'll pastebin any more) [20:56] walmartshopper (n=walmarts@rrcs-67-53-100-254.west.biz.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:57] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62.47.137.96) joined ##slackware. [20:57] briareus: "grep vboxusers /etc/group" shows what? [20:58] can (n=can@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [20:58] How do I find the setting of a printer on another PC, (one that I want to setup to print to)? [20:59] vboxusers:x:215:briareus [20:59] like: ipp://192.168.1.5/LazerJet1200 or ipp://192.168.1.5/Printer or..? [20:59] anybody here familiar with Cmake? [21:00] briareus: just to be sure, what version of slackware? [21:01] 13.0 [21:01] v 13.0 set in sbopkg [21:02] line 89 of /usr/bin/VirtualBox is: exec "$INSTALL_DIR/VirtualBox" "$@" ...but I don't know what sets $INSTALL_DIR [21:02] 32bit ? [21:03] something is setting it to /opt/ that much seems logical as hiptobecubic pointed to [21:03] deco: asking me? this is 32bit slackware 13.0 [21:03] yeah [21:03] k [21:04] Someway to use nmap or some such tool to find printer? [21:05] BP{k}: I even went back, cleansed any *VIrtualBox* I could find, and started over. It still does it--even with newly downloaded slackbuilds and source [21:05] does the linux kernel natively support infiniband? [21:05] I ran nmap against the target PC and it says: 631/tcp closed ipp [21:05] !ALERT: root@slackbook ~># grep -i INFINI /usr/src/linux-2.6.31.1/.config [21:05] # CONFIG_INFINIBAND is not set [21:06] I guess so [21:06] How do I get it to accept print jobs from outside? [21:06] briareus, cool [21:06] briareus: hmm what does "file /usr/bin/VirtualBox" tell you? [21:06] briareus, i knew fibre channel is supported [21:06] /usr/bin/VirtualBox: symbolic link to `/usr/lib/virtualbox/VBox [21:07] <[ briareus@slackbook ]> ~$ /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBox [21:07] Unknown application - VBox [21:07] -rwxr-x--- 1 root vboxusers 3087 2009-10-23 16:05 /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBox [21:07] hmm [21:08] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [21:08] can: if you have a machine running cups that you want other machines to access then you need to enable external access in the config, you can do this from the web configuration tool [21:09] can: http://localhost:631/admin/ and on the right hand side is what you want [21:10] so i wrote two different buildscripts for the same package, one builds fine the other fails on make, the config flags are the same?!? [21:10] briareus: hmmm how did you build virtualbox-kernel? [21:11] ie you build it on your current kernel? [21:12] credo (n=credo@80.233.147.119) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:13] BP{k}: I rolled 2.6.31.4 a few nights ago, then on Wednesday morning I tried to install VirtualBox (did install, tried to run) and then got help in here. I got it working a single time just before I went home, and today is the first time I've tried it since and now have this oddity. [21:13] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [21:13] Linux slackbook 2.6.31.4 i686 GNU/Linux [21:14] phoenix^: evening. :) [21:14] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:14] phoenix^ comes, fire|bird goes [21:15] evening BP{k}, how are you? [21:15] greetings briareus [21:15] hi [21:15] Internet goes out, it takes fire|bird with it. :P [21:15] phoenix^, hey [21:15] hello nyRednek [21:15] so, this is so strange to me that VirtualBox is a symlink to /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBox but VBox is an unknown application. [21:15] Nick change: phoenix^ -> fire|bird [21:16] why wouldn't I get the same error when running VBox as Virtualbox? [21:16] (one being a symlink to the other, I thought they'd be same errors) [21:17] briareus, i'm not sure on that one... [21:17] briareus, let me check my install [21:17] briareus: can you pastebin /var/log/packages/virtualbox-{kernel,ose}* for me please [21:17] cmt (n=cmt@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [21:18] Virtualbox on a system installed via VB's own installer is a symlink to a shell script which uses it's called name to work out what to run, you can't call the script directly [21:18] How can I tell my PC to accept print jobs? (Share Printer)? [21:18] It says: 631/tcp closed ipp [21:18] cmt: http://localhost:631/admin/ and on the right hand side is what you want [21:18] Why is that? [21:18] hmmm...just realized, i don't have vbox installed [21:18] BP{k}: http://pastebin.com/d7098430a [21:19] WildWizard: Tnx [21:19] briareus: the contents of virtualbox-kernel-3.0.8_2.6.31.4-i486-1_SBo and virtualbox-ose-3.0.8-i486-1_SBo actually :P [21:20] oh, sorry [21:20] this where I use that wgetpaste thing again? [21:20] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:20] quite possible.. :) [21:21] briareus, still at it :D [21:21] I'll cat two files seperately, ok? [21:21] back to VB ... $INSTALL_DIR is set by the config file which is called at the start of the Vbox.sh script, however I have no idea how the Sbo version works [21:21] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:21] briareus, you can to two files at once with wgetpaste [21:21] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [21:21] Your paste can be seen here: http://pastebin.ca/1641033 <--kernel [21:21] `wgetpaste file1 file2 file3 ....` [21:22] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:5fd) joined ##slackware. [21:22] Your paste can be seen here: http://pastebin.ca/1641035 <---ose [21:23] briareus, sorry if it is has been answered before but is the user you are try to run vbox as a member of the vboxusers group? [21:23] oh, I saw your -s ca and I hadn't looked up those triggers yet, misunderestimated the wgetpastery [21:23] ArTourter: yes indeed I am [21:23] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl5-183-82.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:23] ok [21:23] just checking:-) [21:23] vboxusers:x:215:briareus [21:23] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [21:24] :) thanks [21:24] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] hiptobecubic: check this out, the file command and afterward: http://pastebin.com/d7098430a [21:25] one way its a 'not found in /opt' message, the other way its an unknown application [21:25] briareus: you didn't edit the slackbuild in any way shape or form? [21:25] BP{k}: not a single bit [21:25] "Unknown application" ? not 'command not found' ? [21:26] BP{k}: just fired up sbopkg, synced it, searched "virtualbox", installed those three, in this order: kernel, ose, addons [21:26] what does file /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBox say? [21:26] even from the shell you are running it from (if you added youself to the group after starting your X sessions your X application would not see it, type "id" in your xterm/terminal app.konsole to make sure) [21:26] hiptobecubic: /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBox: POSIX shell script text executable [21:26] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-167-130.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [21:28] ### Unknown application - VBox ### guys this error is from the VBox script when you run it directly [21:28] ArTourter: thank you, I've been a member of the group since I first installed virtualbox on this slackware 13.0 when 13.0 came out. It is true that today is a new install; I don't know if that affects permissions [21:28] (not permissions, group membership) [21:28] WildWizard: you too eh? [21:28] mine works fine ... it's installing a copy -current as we type [21:29] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:29] Action: BP{k} goes and looks for his laptop. [21:29] I've been using kvm [21:30] How can I find the proper setting for a shared printer? [21:30] ah bah. I just realised my laptop does *not* have a copy of 32bits running. [21:30] so, tell me how wrong I am here: /usr/bin/VirtualBox is a symbolic link to /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBox, but when run they cough up different failure messages. One pointing to missing /opt/ files and the other as an unknown application. [21:30] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [21:30] i.e. ipp://192.168.1.5/LazerJet1200 or..??? [21:31] surely there something other than trial and error? [21:31] can: I believe WildWizard gave you that answer a while ago [21:32] briareus: you can not run VBox directly it uses it's called name to work out what to run, your other problem is caused by the config file been missing you can find a reference to where the config file should be at the top of VBox [21:32] briareus: give me a bit .. I'll have a look by building it. [21:32] or the config file is wrong .. same diff [21:32] interesting [21:33] WildWizard: yeah, line 89 of /usr/bin/VirtualBox is: exec "$INSTALL_DIR/VirtualBox" "$@" ...and this is somehow pointing to /opt/ [21:33] briareus: WildWizzard answered my question: How to I get the printer shared? But thanks anyway. [21:33] but the only things I have in /opt/ are openoffice things [21:33] briareus: I welcome your input if you have something useful to say. [21:33] briareus: it shouldn't point to /opt as far as I know. [21:34] BP{k}: yeah I don't get why it would. that seems the brokenness to me [21:34] briareus: but .. i'll see that once I am done building my 32bit enviroment and building it :) [21:34] ! [21:34] how long does it take to build a 32bit environment? I'm not rushing you, I'm simply curious. [21:34] so please no one take this the wrong way... it's an honest question. i'm new to linux, and wondering what are the benefits of going with slackware over RPM distros or Debian? [21:34] sounds eipc. [21:34] epic even. [21:35] briareus: open VirtualBox in a text edirot and look at line 21 then open that file and fix it [21:35] briareus: s/building/upgrading/ so not that long. :) [21:35] CONFIG="/etc/vbox/vbox.cfg" [21:35] elisdj: for me, control. [21:35] WildWizard: YOU ARE CORRECT SIR [21:36] INSTALL_DIR='/opt/VirtualBox' [21:36] WTF [21:36] that INSTALL_DIR='/opt/VirtualBox' is from /etc/vbox/vbox.cfg [21:36] briareus: just out of sheer curiosity .. "ls /etc/vbox/*" [21:36] why is that set to opt? [21:36] understood [21:36] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@216.145.101.109) joined ##slackware. [21:36] elisdj, slackware is a 'no surprises' distro. [21:36] that is noral for VirtualBox installed from their own installer SBO would have put it somewhere else [21:36] BP{k}: /etc/vbox/filelist /etc/vbox/vbox.cfg /etc/vbox/vbox.cfg.new [21:37] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:37] Legendre (n=bela@chef.nerp.net) joined ##slackware. [21:37] briareus: .NEW?? [21:37] *sigh* [21:37] WildWizard: wwait, what? [21:37] I sense a change in the matrix [21:37] briareus: pastebin /etc/vbox/vbox.cfg.new [21:37] BP{k}: ? what just happened/ [21:37] elisdj, thinks work how you'd expect them to. no magic. If you want magic like dependency resolution (which many people do want) then slackware isn't going to be your favorite. [21:37] antiwire: me too [21:38] briareus: pastebin /etc/vbox/vbox.cfg.new please :) [21:38] does anyone here have a very vanilla slack 12 install, with no additional services running? If yes, would you be willing to reboot your machine to perform a little test, and let me know the results? [21:38] briareus: if you install VB from VB's own installer it will be in /opt/VirtualBox [21:38] or perhaps a very vanilla install, in which you've disabled many of the default services - that would be even better..? [21:38] BP{k}: bottom http://pastebin.com/m17cb9c98 [21:39] hiptobecubic that's what i'm hearing. i went with slackware so i could get a "ground up" understanding of the OS in general. i was told if you can operate slack, you can operate anything [21:39] briareus: thank you. for fucking wasting everyones time. [21:39] WHAT? [21:39] elisdj: you know what's funny about that? [21:39] WildWizard: the fault is not with SBo but with briareus [21:39] BP{k}: what did I do to waste everyone's time? [21:39] briareus: MERGE YOUR FSCKING NEW FILES THE NEXT FARKLING TIME [21:39] be an idiot [21:39] ? [21:39] I don't understand [21:39] being* [21:39] briareus, did it tell you about that new config file? [21:39] # [21:39] INSTALL_DIR="/usr/lib/virtualbox" [21:40] merge my new files? [21:40] yes... [21:40] elisdj: I pretty much failed in all of my early attempts to run Linux.. tried several distros like RH, SuSE, etc. [21:40] Action: BP{k} takes a deep breath. [21:40] briareus, when a build makes a config file, it won't just overwrite yours [21:40] briareus: at slackbuilds.org it is pretty normal to have config files set so they don't overwrite each other. [21:40] FYI [briareus] CUPS_DEBUG_LEVEL=2 /usr/lib/cups/backend/snmp 2>&1 | tee snmp.log [21:40] You probably have a load of *.new files in /etc/rc.d [21:40] briareus, it will make a .new and let you look at it [21:40] elisdj: it was only when I gave it one FINAL shot with slackware, and I think that was version 7 (?) that I met with genuine success. [21:41] It is supposed to ask you at the end if you want to take the new file or compare them or whatever [21:41] I'm sorry, I have no idea what I did that got you mad. [21:41] briareus: wasting everyone's time. [21:41] Legendre hahaha, i completely agree. i was having the same problem and i believe it was because i had no idea what was going on. in slack i still don't understand but i'm able to try things out and watch what happens [21:41] hiptobecubic: I don't remember an interactive like that today, I only remember it saying press any key to continue [21:41] elisdj: by comparison, everything else was just way too much, too complicated, too many problems for a total newb. If it's wasn't for slack, I might *never* have become a *nix nerd. [21:41] briareus, you reinstalled vbox, but did not move the 'new' script (with the correct settings) to overwrite the old one with the wrong settings in it [21:41] briareus: what do you think that "vbox.cf.new" means. [21:42] hiptobecubic: I never knew there was a .new or an old one with wrong settings, I just learned that right now [21:42] elisdj: well, stick with the slack, it's a fantastic teacher.. [21:42] BP{k}, if remember anything about being a beginner the answer is "I don't know. I didn't consider it at all." [21:42] BP{k}: I never saw that .new until you had me pastebin whatever you had me pastebin [21:42] hiptobecubic: heh :) [21:43] briareus: you said you removed everything that had to do with previous installs of virtual box. [21:43] briareus, so in conclusion, pay close attention to questions when it asks you about installing something :) [21:43] which you haven't. [21:43] hey guys, when did slack make the big version jump.. was it v3 - v7 or somehting, like around 1998? [21:43] BP{k}, but he wouldn't have known that he hadn't [21:43] hiptobecubic: removepkg would have warned that there were changed files in /etc/vbox/ [21:43] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-34-173.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: "Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug." [21:43] Unless he knew to check the file lists, which he didn't know were available because i showed him that earlier today. [21:43] BP{k}, "NEW: never ever works" [21:43] BP{k}: I didn't know there were any files in /etc, I searched the system for "virtualbox" and "Virtualbox" until there were none. I had no idea there were "vbox" files in /etc [21:43] or am I the only one who looks over the output of removepkg :) [21:44] BP{k}, yes [21:44] :D [21:44] edman007: :) [21:44] BP: yeas you are my computer goes too damned fast [21:44] briareus: ah well, let's talk it up to a lesson learned :) [21:44] i just throw rm's around until the problem goes away [21:44] It's tough to know what to look for. There is a lot of text that flies around. [21:44] I'm quite sorry for wasting anyone's time. I really tried to start with a clean slate. [21:44] briareus: forgiven for this time. However! [21:44] you do owe me and hiptobecubic a beer. ;) [21:44] OK :) [21:44] hey hey, anyone here have a really vanilla slack 13 install? [21:45] WildWizard: never heard of scrollback? ;) [21:45] no but i do have a really vanilla -current install [21:45] BP{k}: seriously, I never thought to search for "vbox" all over the place, but I nuked every "v/Virtualbox" I could find. [21:45] WildWizard: does it boot to console or X session? [21:45] Legendre: standard vanilla installs booot to console [21:46] BP: depends on how many files were in the package or how many packages in a single go [21:46] BP{k}: ok, they still do. cool, thanks =) [21:46] briareus: no problem :) forgiven .. Chalk it up to a lesson learned, yes? :) [21:46] briareus, well now you know :) pkgtool will let you view the files in a package. As well `less /var/log/packages/ [21:46] hiptobecubic: good to know [21:46] WildWizard: how'd you feel about running a little test.. reboot the system, and pass mem=16MB (or whatever the correct form is) to the kernel on boot? [21:47] i think i'm gonna try to revive zipslack as a live fs system for usb chips [21:47] WildWizard: I want to know if it will boot with that little mem [21:47] so I should edit /etc/vbox/vbox.cfg to /usr/lib/Virtualbox? or jsut cp the .new over the .cfg old? [21:47] briareus, the new to the old [21:48] nyRednek: I wish you'd revive tinySlack [21:48] hey look there's virtualbox [21:48] hehehe [21:48] whattayaknow ;) [21:48] Legendre, tinyslack? [21:48] wait, this isn't a browser, wtf? [21:48] JUST KIDDING [21:48] sigh [21:48] nyRednek: iirc, it was the uber-stripped down, low-mem version of slack.. way back [21:49] Legendre, sounds like zipslack(was designed to fit on a zip disk) [21:49] nyRednek: but maybe my old brain is for shite [21:49] mem=16MB the kernel wont boot ... mem=32MB kernel panic part way during boot up [21:49] nyRednek: oh, I remember zipslack well.. I thought there was a tinySlack as well. Doh [21:50] Legendre, there may have been, just haven't heard of it [21:50] Legendre: perhaps mistaken with minislack? :) [21:50] WildWizard: crap.. but thank you very much for you time. [21:50] I sincerely appreciate it [21:50] Nick change: AlexElliott__ -> AlexElliott [21:50] looks like 64MB is a working minimum [21:50] ok, cool.. [21:50] Legendre, what i intend to do, just look at last zipslack(11.0) and select the current packages from 13, attempting to make it work [21:51] sure, give it a go [21:51] (now why does it need 64M just to start a kernel?) [21:51] mem=48MB = udev goes down bad [21:51] Interesting, hm [21:53] I think ram disks are used for udev and some other stuff which has dramatically increased the memory requirements [21:53] I have a silly and difficult goal. I wasnt a full console system on an i486 with 16MB - BUT - it must have WiFi capability =) [21:53] WildWizard: that may well be the case. Good point. [21:54] DSL may work for me, but it's full of GUI desk stuff that is just crap, and a waste of space.. on this tiny pitiful little system [21:54] WildWizard, yeah, don't use udev and memory requirements will drop [21:55] Tinycore and Microcore are *good* but they would require a lot of playing around to do an install to HD. [21:55] and their pkg system / concept is pretty annoying [21:56] Legendre, let me see what i can accomplish [21:56] Legendre, which MAY be nothing [21:57] lastly, ttylinux is extremely compact, and can be easily installed to HD. But, it uses all kinds of non-standard headers and libs, so its unlikely that I can build the softs that I'd want for it.. nothing is 'just right' [21:57] Action: Legendre gets mad and throws things at the F/OSS community [21:58] It seems like there is space in distro-land for a purely console-based OS, designed for local HD install, on machines with pitiful resources.. [21:58] ok, now i know why zipslack was dropped...kernel 2.6 doesn't play nice with umsdos [21:59] nyRednek: hm, really? Why is that I wonder? [21:59] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-34-173.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] Legendre, it simply doesn't support umsdos [22:00] I mean, umsdos has always been an ugly hack, but what about 2.6-ish-ness made it unworkable? [22:00] oh, lol, I guess that would do it! [22:00] Legendre, i'll see about having an ext3 or ext4 install of 12.0 on a livefs [22:01] of course, via usb key [22:03] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:05] cmt (n=cmt@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:05] can (n=can@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:05] looks like i'll end up with some kind of slax [22:06] Hi fire|bird [22:07] L1nuxer (i=L1nuxer@187.26.77.204) joined ##slackware. [22:08] hey hitest, how are you? [22:08] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: "pew-pew" [22:08] I am well, fire|bird, ty:) how are you? [22:08] hitest: I'm great, thank you. Just messing with an Ubuntu VM atm. [22:10] Cool. I'm upgrading -current to KDE 4.3.2 atm:) done messing with arch. did a re-install of Slackware on my test box:) [22:10] haha, once you slack, nothing else comes close, does it? :P [22:10] :) [22:10] greetings neonflux [22:10] hello fire|bird [22:10] is need to enable match string in slackware 12 ? [22:10] fire|bird: yep everything else is pretty lame [22:11] hitest: indeed. and here I am messing with an Ubuntu vm, what's wrong with me? :P [22:11] hitest: arch is quite annoying [22:11] Hmm, on second thought, don't answer that. :P [22:11] kwikness (n=kwikness@c-24-128-93-202.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:12] neonflux: agreed. it takes too much fiddling. I got it to work just fine, but, I've been spoiled with how stable Slackware is. [22:13] I'm getting kicked out by the cleaning crew, have to head home. Thanks so much for the help, BP{k} and hiptobecubic [22:13] hitest: no doubt. I just use Arch as a test bed for software I use on a regulary basis [22:13] and WildWizard and ArTourter [22:13] briareus, no worries [22:13] thanks [22:13] fire|bird: VMs are awesome for installing stuff. nothing wrong with you at all:) [22:13] hitest: phew, I was worried for a minute. :P [22:13] Action: briareus does a real polite sort of manly courtsey for the boys [22:13] hitest, VMs make your useful OS slow :( [22:14] neonflux, hitest, what's wrong with arch? I've been thinking about tiddering with it [22:14] they eat ram and IO [22:14] hitest: I'm mainly messing with it to mess with raindrop. [22:14] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [22:14] edman: yeah, they are RAM hogs [22:14] hiptobecubic: Arch is constantly being updated and that can lead to instability [22:15] edman007....sorry mis-typed your name [22:15] hitest, i got it set to highlight on that too ;) [22:15] and i almost got dbus working for my lcd, i'm happy [22:16] don't wanna sleep [22:16] neonflux, can't you just not upgrade it all the time? [22:16] hiptobecubic, can't stop time [22:16] edman007, was anyone trying to? [22:17] i was [22:17] hiptobecubic: yes, that is the best method. [22:17] edman007, well that's silly. You can't. [22:17] Action: edman007 is actually trying to figure out the timer system in something [22:17] i don't want a timer [22:18] hiptobecubic: I found arch to be a bit too cutting edge.....there are updates available quite often. I can set it up and get it to run properly, but it does take a bit of tweaking. my slackware/freebsd skills helped me with the set-up. the arch wiki is good. [22:18] Lucy (n=Luz@99.162.239.154) joined ##slackware. [22:18] hitest, have you actually tried fedora? [22:18] hitest: Worse than Fedora 12 Beta? 254 in 3 days. :P [22:18] yes [22:19] edman007: last time was fedora 10 I think [22:19] hello [22:19] greetings Lucy [22:19] hitest, fedora released their OS as stable when the kernel was only stable for ~12 hours [22:19] i don't know how you can test that... [22:20] kwikness (n=kwikness@c-24-128-93-202.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:20] i think that their cutoff to include in the stable tree is git/svn/cvs, if it made it into a repo its stable [22:20] roccity_ (n=mrpresid@ip-118-90-83-235.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [22:21] and debian waits for it to to reach the end of life before marking it as stable [22:21] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:22] true:) [22:22] what going guys [22:22] just finished reinstalling slackware12.2 for the 3rd and last time on btx 915 w/ pentium 4 and 2gb ram [22:22] bbiab [22:23] Lucy: how come you had to install it again? [22:24] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:24] can't get nvidia -Linux-x86-185.18.36-pkg1.run to install and boot kde [22:24] How is reinstalling going to fix that? [22:24] don't like that automated intallation and xorg.conf that results from it [22:25] just making sure my start point is correct [22:25] anyone where i can read more detailed info and options to install that driver? [22:26] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "vou comer sua irmã, já volto" [22:26] did you try the script's help options? [22:27] Lucy: have you tried sbopkg? it has drivers for nvidia [22:27] I see that it has free and non-free drivers [22:27] there is nothing wrong with using the nvidia installer. It should work fine and does so for many people [22:28] oldude67 (n=ugh@c-98-212-246-217.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] no just used intstructions i got in forum.. no on the sbopkg thought that was just for legacy drivers.. i installed the slackbuild legacy nvidia on an older box w/o a prob [22:28] What are the actual errors you are getting? [22:28] I have the sbopkg and it says that it has the drivers for it [22:28] hows it going all [22:29] hi [22:29] let me go look at the sbopkg... where do i get more info about script options? [22:29] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [22:31] my install gets stuck after the wizard in "initializing services" then goes to black screen w/ active mouse. [22:31] Lucy: it has the build script on it I would check out slackbuilds.org and see what they have [22:32] for the geforce 6600 card? will look.. thanks [22:32] Lucy: can you unplug everything and put it back in? or use vesa till you get it going [22:33] r u referring to hardware? [22:33] yeah like keyborad and mouse [22:34] sure [22:34] Lucy: it sbopkg says that you need the nvidia kernel driver as well which is in the sbopkg [22:34] Lucy: or sorry the kernel [22:35] thanks for the info brb going there now [22:35] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:37] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [22:38] Legendre, i've done a little research [22:38] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:39] Legendre, and, imho, i think we can make you a slack fork for your 486, but kernel 2.6 will not be the one you'll want to use [22:39] valkenar (n=valkenar@96.237.177.60) joined ##slackware. [22:41] I'm trying to get sound working. I'm new to both linux and slackware. There is currently no sound at all. When I do things with alsa (init or alsaconf) it says unknown hardware... googling hasn't netted me much [22:41] I downloaded what I believe to be the latest drivers from realtek and did what I thought was installing them. my lspci looks like they're active, and alsamixer shows me some sliders, but I;m not actually getting any sound [22:42] module's probably not loaded [22:42] and a hellooooo to the good looking folks (and the butt ugly people) in here :) [22:42] if I modprobe it I get basically no feedback [22:42] Even with -v [22:43] That is, running modprobe snd-hda-intel [22:43] The full error is Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Realtek ALC888" "HDA:10ec0888,103c2a5c,00100001" "" "" [22:43] lsmod shows it there [22:44] wouldn't it suck if you had to recompile your kernel? [22:44] I've tried a few things as best I could based on suggestions on various forums, but there seems to be very little slackware-specific information. [22:45] It would be kind of irritating. [22:45] But I had to download the source to compile the drivers so it wouldn't be the end of the world. [22:45] can i use for 32bit.. i am not running 64bit? [22:45] I'm running 2.6.29.6-smp [22:46] elderK (n=zk@122-57-250-233.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [22:46] hey anyone got a minute to help me figure out how to add packages from pkgtools? [22:46] So nobody has any advice? [22:47] Lucy: are you talking about the nvidia driver? [22:47] Is there anyother slackware channel on another irc net? [22:47] pkgtool? [22:47] Lucy: you can edit the build script there in sbopkg [22:47] antler, were you hinting that I should download a newer kernel source and compile it? [22:48] valkenar: have you tried alsaconf [22:48] I did, yes. [22:48] It said "congratualtions you're done" even though it caused the same error I saw before. [22:48] valkenar: is it blacklisted? [22:48] I have since rebooted just in case. [22:48] blacklisted? [22:49] lol [22:49] valkenar: in /etc/modprobe.d/balcklist.conf [22:49] valkenar: blacklist.conf [22:50] It doesn't seem to be. [22:50] blacklist got me when i first stated using linux many year ago [22:50] wireless card. [22:51] I searched for "hda" in the file... I believe the module is referred to as snd-hda-intel [22:51] valkenar: no, definitely not. i don't fully understand why it's not working for you; so, i'm not hinting that at all. :) [22:51] valkenar: in my fresh install of slack-13 it has blacklist snd-intel8x0m [22:51] Ah, is that it? [22:52] how old is your system [22:53] Okay, so I modprobed that and took it off blacklist, but alsactl init still give me the error. [22:53] vronsky (n=jh@cpe-075-183-106-088.triad.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [22:53] Spider: about 2 days. [22:53] Downloaded 3 days ago. [22:53] http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-hda-intel [22:53] Oh, the computer itself. [22:53] Sorry, hm, not sure just inherited it from my stepfather. It's not terribly old, but not brand new. It's an athlon64 5000+ [22:54] http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-intel8x0 [22:54] try that one if the first steps don't work. older intel snd cards need the 2nd links driver installed [22:55] Okay I'll try that, thanks. [22:55] yw [22:56] valkenar: can you bring up alsamixer? [22:56] wows where da regularz in ere at?! [22:57] hey antler [22:57] fire|bird: hey! how you doing, man? :) [22:57] antler: great, thanks. yourself? [22:57] fire|bird: excellent, thanks :D [22:57] if its the intel chip, i've install the new driver before and alsamixer still came up but nothing worked. after installing the second it worked fine [22:58] you two are so caring. [22:58] i wish i had a friend [22:58] nobody loves me. whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! [22:58] spider1010: it's "I Care About You Man (but not in a gay way)" month this month :D [22:58] I believe it is. I think the motherboard is an nvidia chipset. [22:59] While this is getting set up maybe someone can clue me into something else. I grabbed vlc to watch dvds with, but it couldn't open /dev/dvd, so I threw a chmod at it to give everyone access, and then it worked, but it seems like that shouldn't be neccesary (also rebooting resets the permissions) [23:00] antler: dang, is that this month? :P [23:00] valkenar: intel8x0 is a catch-all for AC'97 sound devices used in a variety of chipsets (including nVidia), not just Intels [23:00] Is there some better way to let non-root users watch dvds? is that what vlc-wrapper is for (haven't had a chance to look at it yet) [23:00] antler: i was i no way going the gay route with that. i was just pointing out that you are a good person. [23:00] fire|bird: yeah, that's why i didn't kick you in the shins this time :P [23:01] valkenar, that's a udev thing. If you want certain permission you need to make a udev rule, but you don't want to do that. You want to add yourself to the group cdrom [23:01] antler: Hmm, I wonder why Sunbird didn't warn me of this month. :P [23:01] haha [23:02] spider1010: ^^! [23:02] Okay, thanks hiptobecubic. [23:02] Hm, this alsa driver package seems not to want to compile. Sad. [23:03] fire|bird: because it's so bloated :D [23:03] valkenar: you shouldn't have to compile the alsa drivers, they should be in the kernel already [23:03] is there a script for it on slackbuilds.org? [23:03] valkenar ^^ [23:03] I was just trying to follow the instructions on the link that spider gave me. [23:04] deco: shaddup. :P [23:04] vmhobbes (n=c@112.201.1.212) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:04] Haha maybe I'm an idiot and that was supposed to be kernel compilation instructions. [23:04] I'm so clueless. [23:05] fire|bird: how you liking kde? are you still on kde? [23:05] antler: no, xfce now. :) [23:06] antler: you still on kde? [23:06] fire|bird: of course. should have know :P [23:06] yeah, i'm still on 12.2 [23:06] kde [23:06] So what is the surest way to verify whether the sound works? I was just trying to play a youtube file, but for all I know firefox/flash is misbehaving. [23:07] Miroku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] Oh, hm, well aplay at least makes noise now. [23:08] antler: i'm on 13 but using the unsupported kde 3.5 :P [23:09] antler: How are you liking KDE? [23:09] use alsamixer and make sure to set sound levels [23:09] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:10] man i don't get this port thing. transmission says that a certain port i'm using is closed, yet i'm downloading and uploading. how's that possible? [23:10] Action: antler scratches his head, lifts up his butt, and lets one rip. [23:10] antler: are you using a router ? [23:10] deco: oh nice [23:10] deco: everything works? [23:10] antler: if you so, you have to open the port [23:10] antler: yeah pefectly [23:10] deco: yeah, i've opened that port [23:10] perfectly* [23:11] fire|bird: it's the older kde; so i really like it [23:11] antler: lol, -current has kde 4.3.2 now. :P [23:13] deco: i might think i've opened the port on the router and may in fact be wrong, but, c'mon, opening a port on a router is not rocket science :D [23:13] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [23:13] oldude67 (n=ugh@c-98-212-246-217.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:14] fire|bird: my amoeba-ness prevents me from installing 4.3.2 [23:14] lol [23:14] and 13, for that matter [23:14] I have 4.3.1 on both desktop and laptop, but I use xfce. [23:14] kuitang (n=kuitang@173-30-220-7.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [23:14] antler: make sure it was the correct number :P [23:15] anyone know how to dump a hfs+ file system? [23:16] deco: i distinctly remember copying and pasting. :D [23:17] Miroku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:17] antler: Are you *sure*? :P [23:18] Action: fire|bird waits for antler to double check and come back with "Oh crap" :P [23:18] lol [23:19] antler: did you check tcp ? [23:19] Action: antler kicks himself in the nuts with a pair of work boots [23:19] steel toe? [23:19] CSA Approved, fire|bird [23:19] \o/ [23:19] antler: you had the number wrong ? [23:20] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:20] antler can't come to irc right now, he's experiencing excruciating pain. Please try back later. [23:20] deco: no, i simply copied the port number from transmission, then pasted it in Open Port (in the router) [23:20] hahah [23:20] lol [23:21] So I'm suspecting that the sound can sort of work now, since I can make static with aplay... one thing I'll eventually need to address is how to create a dev/dsp device, but in the mean time, is there any simple way to verify if sound is fundamentally working? [23:21] mplayer [23:21] a sound file [23:21] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [23:22] welcome back hitest [23:22] Oh, it's another group issue maybe. [23:22] Action: antler stops fire|bird from giving hitest a gaunch pull. [23:22] ty fire|bird [23:22] Well I have some mp3s, but apparently there's licensing bullshit or something. [23:22] antler: lol [23:22] valkenar: try this mplayer /home/spider/vegastrike-linux-0.5.0/vegastrike-0.5.0/music/battle3electro.ogg [23:22] hahaha [23:23] o_O [23:23] nevermind [23:23] lol [23:23] fail [23:23] exit [23:23] roccity_ (n=mrpresid@ip-118-90-83-235.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) left irc: "leaving" [23:23] fail [23:23] that was a big fail [23:23] Action: hitest is liking KDE 4.3.2 in -current....looks great [23:23] my gpu doesn't :/ [23:23] hitest: Wait, what, say that again? :P [23:23] heh [23:23] we are all hyprocrits in the end really :p [23:24] I could never get used to kde [23:24] Call me silly, but doesn't that command rely on having a /home/spider, etc? [23:24] running KDE 4.3.2 atm [23:24] Oh I see ,my silly irc client turned it into a url. [23:24] valkenar: yeah it was a moment of weakness [23:24] Action: NaCl likes wicd 1.6.2.2 in -current [23:24] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:24] hitest: everything pretty much work? [23:24] valkenar: That was an example, you replace it with a path to a file that *you* have. ;) [23:24] Sadly I have no oggs. [23:24] i have egss [23:24] eggs* [23:24] lots of em [23:25] antler: so far I've only run xchat [23:25] hitest: afaict, everything works fine. [23:25] I'll mess with some stuff. [23:25] just don't ask deco where he stores the eggs [23:25] Action: NaCl probably should restart X. [23:25] antler: under fire|bird [23:25] XD [23:25] NaCl: good to hear. k3b too? [23:25] valkenar: Could use mpg, avi, even an audio file (mp3, etc.) [23:25] deco: wrong preposition [23:26] mplayer /usr/share/sounds/* [23:26] I tried an mp3, it played static..., then vlc complained about having no filter for it [23:26] antler: says the person that coulnd't open a port [23:26] Does mplayer inherently support mp3? I looked it up quickly and it looked like there was some issue with playing mp3 files. [23:26] couldn't * [23:26] aplay plays static on my system too but everything else works fine [23:26] e.g. licensing nonsense. [23:26] deco: s/under/in :P [23:26] mplayer work great [23:26] antler: now that's sick [23:26] deco: lol yeah, i'm one to talk :D [23:26] hitest: haven't tried that [23:27] antler: OMG :P [23:27] fire|bird: :D [23:27] fire|bird: he crossed the line not me :P [23:27] hahah [23:27] hitest: last I tried using it, it worked fine (was probably with kde 4.3.) [23:27] hitest: xchat in kde 4? doesn't that look sort of ugly without theming? :P [23:27] fire|bird: that's what qtcurve is for [23:27] how we doing [23:27] deco: Yeah, and that's actually surprising, usually you would have. [23:28] fire|bird: yup.... [23:28] NaCl: okay. thanks for the feedback:) [23:28] NaCl: true, I always used gtk-chtheme and set something. [23:28] fire|bird: deco hahah [23:28] fire|bird: xchat doesn't look too bad to me [23:29] Hmm, that's interesting. aplay was making static but now it's just giving me a fistful of errors like myother audio apps. [23:29] hitest: I haven't logged in to kde in 2 weeks. :P [23:29] Oh, nevermind there we go, mplayer works. [23:29] heh [23:29] Thanks everyone. [23:30] fire|bird: actually firefox looks ugly without qtcurve [23:30] valkenar: yea aplay sucks. [23:30] fire|bird: it is using a $h*tload of RAM to run xchat and firefox. no errors to speak of. [23:31] lol [23:31] Do I have to relogin to have group changes take effect? [23:31] yes [23:31] yes [23:31] yep [23:31] apparently [23:31] sometimes? [23:31] absolutely [23:32] Action: NaCl is reminded of something on noobfarm [23:32] looks like odd man out. [23:32] lol [23:32] Darn, apparently popping up an xterm doesn't count. [23:32] well you can change to a different run level and back i think but it can cause issues [23:32] valkenar, you need to close X. log out, log in, restart x [23:33] I'm at runlevel 4 [23:33] elderK (n=zk@122-57-250-233.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: [23:33] I think [23:33] That is, it's booting to X [23:33] correct [23:33] then ctrl+atl+backspace [23:33] .. or just logout [23:33] Does that mean I need a hard restart? [23:33] OR just log out and back in. [23:33] Right I was going to log out and in... [23:33] valkenar (n=valkenar@96.237.177.60) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:33] no just restart the x server [23:34] no, you have to log out and log in again. [23:34] You'd still need to log back in. [23:34] lol [23:34] bbiab [23:34] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:34] valkenar (n=valkenar@96.237.177.60) joined ##slackware. [23:34] lol [23:34] hey, I'm trying to configure my APC ups -- apcaccess shows DWAKE: -01 Seconds -- how do I change it to 60 Seconds? [23:34] http://picasaweb.google.com/cschlaeger/JapanLinuxSymposium#5395358413061926434 [23:35] welcome back valkenar [23:35] spider1010: lol [23:35] Thanks [23:35] valkenar, work? [23:36] that would be sad If ms did that on purpose [23:37] Works better when you put a dvd in and not your slackware install disk also, but yeah. [23:38] that would be like a big, tough, scary-looking guy pinching someone in a fight [23:38] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [23:38] mikl0 (n=mikl0@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:38] welcome back hitest :) [23:38] ty fire|bird :) back in xfce [23:39] \o/ [23:39] Sweet, now I can try to figure out how to make it do 5.1 [23:39] KDE 4.3.2 is a noticeable improvement over 4.2.4 [23:40] What does it mean to strip a binary and library? [23:40] do you have all the cords going to your computer. if so then it be in alsamixer, just hit the right arrow until it stop going anywhere [23:40] So yeah, thanks again. This has been an odd experience. I installed slackware like 5, when I was 14, but haven't felt the effort into having a server since. So I'm basically a noob but there's certain thigs that are familiar. [23:40] Nah, I don't have the stereo set up yet. [23:40] hiptobecubic: You undress it down to it's bare bones code? :P [23:41] fire|bird, :D [23:41] kuitang (n=kuitang@173-30-220-7.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "leaving" [23:42] Speaking of KDE... I was originally going to put it on here, but I've read pretty unappealing things about the newer kde versions, but I'm not interested in going back to a versio nthat doesn't use qt4. [23:42] Here a tolerance camp intolerance will not be tolerated. [23:42] smackdaddy (n=gh@adsl-75-24-65-245.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:43] So what's the consensus on KDE? Wait for a few more releases, or give it a shot now? [23:43] It's mostly stable. [23:43] Action: NaCl can't change his regional/language settings [23:43] Give it a shot man. I use both gnome and kde. i like both but also try xfce [23:43] nvm. [23:44] I'm running xfce right now. [23:44] xfce is great but i haven;t played with it too much [23:45] KDE is perfectly fine. Although guidance-power-manager and PowerDevil are redundant on my laptop... [23:45] Action: NaCl disabled guidance [23:45] I remember there being some funky window managers back in the day. Forget what they were called. [23:45] litestep maybe? [23:45] nnext or something? [23:45] try them all [23:46] you have linux man. and they are all free to try [23:46] <3 xfce [23:46] I'm considering switching to xfce. [23:46] I may get around to it eventually. For now I'm mostly interested in getting this set up as a development server/media platform. [23:46] hiptobecubic++ [23:47] NaCl: Go for it, join the xfce bandwagon. :) [23:47] What is it about xfce you all like? So far I'm finding it fine, but not particularly distinctive, though I haven't done anything with it, really. [23:47] I really like xfce a lot. I love flux on my old slackware boxes [23:47] Flux! [23:47] That's the one. [23:47] I remember liking flux. [23:47] it rocks [23:47] fire|bird: not likely. My primary problem with KDE is something that I don't use often enough to care. [23:47] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.38.238) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [23:48] Except for okular not being to manually duplex pages. [23:48] Action: NaCl is annoyed at the absence of that feature [23:51] I think I liked fvwm too [23:52] ran blackbox years ago [23:52] RedSocrates (n=RedSocra@cpe-69-207-175-250.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:52] Action: deco sadly has to live in the past [23:52] deco: ? [23:54] hitest: i have to use kde 3.5.10 ,for some reason my gpu is so slow in slackware 13 and any other modern distro [23:54] ah [23:54] nvidia geforce 4 go 32mb old.... [23:54] why not run xfce or flux? [23:54] hitest: runs slow.... [23:54] even with flux? [23:54] hitest: flux it runs well but i don't want to use a wm ... [23:55] in xfce/gnome it's horrible [23:55] deco: sell you my old radeon x1600 pro for $4.91 (shipping not included) [23:55] antler: laptop ... [23:56] ewww [23:57] something got changed that affected my card... i dunno what .. it works perfectly in old distros.. [23:57] debian etc.. [23:57] old versions of slackware [23:58] could it be hal ? i noticed that my gpu works well in the old distros that don't use hal [23:59] oh i thought using 3.5.10 was a choice, not a necessity [23:59] deco: ^^ [23:59] antler: heh :P [23:59] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] What do you think of compiz? [23:59] no, i meant i thought you chose to use it instead of 4.3.2 [00:00] --- Sat Oct 24 2009