[00:00] chromium-browser [00:00] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] It can also be run from the directory you extract it to, provided you have the right nss stuff it looks for. [00:00] http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=29499 [00:01] aah cool on the run from home [00:01] good to know [00:02] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.231.5) left irc: "Leaving." [00:02] i saved that 12.2 article tho.also [00:02] hey fire|bird:) [00:02] yeah [00:02] hey hitest [00:02] :) [00:02] Rat409: Looks like it's just nss that needs an adjustment to get chromium running [00:03] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-167-6.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [00:03] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-167-6.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:03] if you call it chromium-browser --enable-plugins should have the basics [00:03] Billtoo_ (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016729.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [00:03] yeah [00:03] yuh i just noticed that [00:04] I'm just going to try getting the nss stuff fixed up, worse that can happen is it doesn't work and I change it back. :P [00:04] something moving with daily builds i myself prefer binary if possible [00:04] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.39.200) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:06] using tint2 in pekwm,but have on left a 2pixel blank,can't seem to get full-width using 0 or even 100%. heights fine tho,laptops,1280x800 wired bmpanel works fine,full-width [00:07] wired/weird [00:07] fire|bird: i have officially converted to xfce :P [00:09] deco: nice. [00:09] deco: How does it feel? [00:10] MLanden: feels good :D makes me all warm inside [00:11] deco: alrighty,now [00:11] lol [00:11] MLanden: xfce sure is speedy. [00:11] kde is just bloat now :P [00:12] deco: warm inside? which plugin do you got? :P [00:12] I was wondering - I hadn't been here much lately, but noticed a lot of kde-hate in aols and on lq and was wondering what it was like in here [00:12] fl;uxbox is even faste rthan xfce [00:12] MLanden: the good one :P [00:12] Nick change: PiterPun1 -> PiterPunk [00:13] deco: Well, I got kde4 really speedy with an nvidia-settings edit, but I'm liking xfce. [00:13] fvwm is the fastest of all! - no, I have no idea [00:13] slakmagik: kde is just bloat imo [00:13] fire|bird: sure sure :P [00:13] so much bloat, it can't even float. :O [00:13] :P [00:13] lol [00:13] whats a tool in X to dump details of a X window/dialog? [00:13] Action: MLanden checks xfce's goodies.....Sweet!!!...oh,that ONE!! [00:13] i use thunar's custom actions for feh view pics feh setbg load/unload .Xdefaults,stat/kill conky etc. works fine in right-click menu [00:13] yeah, I never liked it but I keep trying it at each significant release to see if it's gotten better... it's always worse [00:13] MLanden: just the speed alone is worth it [00:14] deco: No, seriously, I can click stuff and it's quite quick now. [00:14] MLanden: xfce4-overheat ;) [00:14] haha [00:14] BP{k}: He'll need xfce4-ice soon [00:14] fire|bird: but still must consume a ton of RAM :P [00:14] lol,BP{k} [00:14] ml4711 (n=morten@0x50a6aad2.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:14] BP{k}: Did you see #slackpkg and what PiterPunk had to say with the issue I had. [00:14] fire|bird: no, checking :) [00:14] ml4711 (n=morten@0x50a6aad2.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [00:15] deco: The longer it runs, the more it seems to consume, yeah. [00:15] fhobia: good question :P [00:15] i got this annoying window i cannot wrestle under my window managers control [00:15] deco: I love kde4, but I have gravitated towards xfce because I'm more after speed. :) [00:15] the scim-gtk panel [00:15] dmesg ? [00:15] not even fvwm can grab it [00:15] fire|bird: aren't we all :P speed freaks! [00:16] like a jack rabbit [00:16] fhobia: BugOpts - ExplainWindowPlacement - something like that in the manual [00:16] dissociative_ (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-222-155.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:16] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [00:16] thumpety..thump...thump [00:16] jaher (n=n@24-205-186-242.dhcp.azus.ca.charter.com) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [00:16] also tell fvwm to IgnorePPosition or something like, and set specific settings to make it do what you want [00:17] dissociative_ (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-210-24.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [00:17] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [00:17] thanks slakmagik [00:17] sure thing [00:17] this window is really annoying, i can't even FvwmIdent it [00:18] wow - you run FvwmIdent from FvwmConsole? Sometimes clicking will get it when it won't focus otherwise [00:18] agentc0re: It looks like it will be easy to get chromium going, if you're interested in that.. [00:18] slakmagik: yeah, i do. i click on this window and it does nothing :-) [00:19] http://www.dizzler.com/index.search.dv8?f=1&q=Kompressor look for "if i was a rabbit" :D [00:19] hm - that's a pain - dunno what else to tell for that :( [00:19] s/tell/& you/ [00:19] But if I was a rabbit, i would roll!! [00:19] Kompressor = greatest musician to have ever lived. [00:20] :D [00:20] lol [00:20] wow, not even ExplainWindowPlacement shows the window appearing [00:20] try xwmconfig? [00:20] Huh. Maybe try over in #fvwm - I've encountered dumb/stubborn windows but not like that, I don't think [00:21] me either [00:21] rrrrrrrrrrooooooccccccckkkkkkk.........rrrrrrrroooooooollllllllllll....lol [00:21] lmao!! [00:21] hahaha [00:21] one of the best video's he made, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFWyn6TWIYg [00:22] My visa card has this picture on it: http://www.synthtopia.com/interviews/images/KompressorKrushesBurger.jpg [00:24] dissociative_ (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-210-24.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:24] cool that slack comes with ratpoison now [00:24] not sure i could ever use that wm but [00:24] :-) [00:25] fhobia: uhm .. since when? [00:25] i swear, i saw that in xwmconfig [00:25] or i have gone crazy [00:25] lol [00:25] yes. [00:26] ok, i just ran it [00:26] yes...you have [00:26] fhobia: s/crazy/certifiable/ ;) [00:26] yur going crazy [00:26] xinitrc.ratpoison appears [00:26] the description though is xinitrc.ratpoison [00:26] ... [00:26] oh... [00:26] fhobia: your failferry is ready. [00:26] please board. [00:26] lol [00:26] slackbuilds is so awesome that xwmconfig read it in [00:26] Hop aboard the Fail Train, destination Failsville, NC. Please enjoy the ride. ;) [00:27] lol [00:27] rofl [00:27] bumpety..bump..bump [00:27] epic.........fail:) [00:28] Kompressor crushes you with fist on the failferry! [00:28] Action: fhobia needs to get off the rat poison [00:28] heh [00:28] fhobia: You shouldn't have been on it in the first place. :P [00:28] Action: agentc0re hands fhobia the draino [00:28] it's much better. [00:29] is that some other wm that you control through one key or something [00:29] agentc0re: you've been watchin' Cheech and Chong?....lol [00:29] \o/, chromium is up and running. :D [00:29] fhobia: actually I think you mean "xwmconfig" is awesome enough to dynamically read /etc/X11/xinit/ ;) [00:29] fire|bird: Nice! [00:29] :D [00:30] fire|bird: let me know how it runs.. i might try the switch. [00:30] fire|bird: cool [00:30] agentc0re: If you want to try it, build alienBOB's mozilla-nss stuff and then make the symlinks here: http://ifeelalittlestupid.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/using-the-chromium-linux-beta-build-on-slackware-12-2/ [00:31] nite all [00:31] fire|bird: link saved. [00:31] Fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-105-227-102.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:31] agentc0re: Well, it's friggen fast alright. What I've tried so far. :P [00:32] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:33] (##slackware) Channel ban on %Casandrax!*@* expired. [00:33] ##slackware: mode change '-b %Casandrax!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:33] Egon^ (n=kfb@user-160urrq.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [00:34] someone do an /exec -o -ls -lh /path/to/your/kernel or /exec /part/ot/your/kernel (if your irc client supports it) please ? [00:34] what'd he get banned for,i miss all the good stuff! :( [00:34] dissociative_ (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-197-217.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [00:35] Egon^: no. [00:35] lol [00:35] Egon^: i'll pastebin it. [00:35] Rat409: racism for one [00:35] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@79.54.69.19) joined ##slackware. [00:35] Linus has officially called the Linux kernel bloated and I run NetBSD so I was ust wondering how big your kernel is compared to mine [00:35] good morning [00:35] ahhh,then he deserved it [00:35] mornin',GATT0 [00:35] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [00:35] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:36] Egon^ (n=kfb@user-160urrq.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:37] mine is 2.1M, but hes already left [00:37] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [00:37] spook: Maybe he went to ask Ubuntu [00:37] was that some kind of a lame troll? [00:37] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:37] maybe,that was different [00:38] slakmagik: appears that way. [00:38] okay - it was so weak, I wasn't sure :) [00:38] Egon^ (n=kfb@user-160urrq.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [00:38] sorry I got disconnected [00:38] okay - maybe not [00:38] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4.1M Sep 21 13:46 /netbsd [00:38] Egon^: must be because netbsd is so stable :) [00:38] Egon^: mine is 2.1M [00:39] that is how big my NetBSD kernel is 4.1 megs [00:39] spook really ? Honestly ? [00:39] Egon^: yes. honestly [00:39] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.1M 2008-05-01 03:15 /boot/vmlinuz-huge-2.6.24.5 [00:39] oops wrong one [00:39] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.1M 2008-05-15 13:34 /boot/vmlinuz-custom-2.6.24.5 [00:39] Egon^: size of a random compiled kernel isn't really going to say much about 'bloat' - a 5 meg kernel where every line's essential to its superhuman powers is not bloated and msdos.sys and io.sys were about 5k and were probably bloated. ;) [00:39] wow vmlinuz-huge is only 4.1 megs ? I find that hard to believe [00:40] hehe [00:41] dissociative_ (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-197-217.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:41] Lalloso (n=h4x0r@62.123.95.200) left irc: SendQ exceeded [00:41] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. 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[00:55] i use the huge kernel...so i guess 4.8M for me [00:55] man, the kernel that shipped with 12.2 always froze after resume for me [00:56] this one doesn't [00:56] that brings tears to my eyes [00:56] Action: fire|bird hands fhobia a tissue [00:56] it makes me wonder though [00:56] how is it decided that some kernel is stable [00:56] for slackware [00:56] its like flipping a coin, because you can't predict peoples configurations [00:57] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [00:58] oh oh oh [00:58] cry me a river? [00:59] i only got tears of joy man [00:59] show me your Oh face. [00:59] ^O^ [00:59] those kernels i posted are 12.1 [00:59] :O [00:59] lol [01:00] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-179-140.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:00] mingdao (n=mingdao@unaffiliated/mingdao) joined ##slackware. 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[01:10] fire|bird: lol, so gmail will not login with arora.. nice feature. :P but youtube vid's actually load without having to reload multiple times :D [01:11] macius (n=macius@i209-195-85-102.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [01:11] kool,agentc0re [01:11] dissociative_ (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-208-171.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:12] agentc0re: hahaha [01:12] agentc0re: give chromium a try. It's working very nice here. [01:12] gtludwig (n=user@189.114.205.84) joined ##slackware. [01:13] pizdets (n=pizdets@96.250.220.91) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [01:13] fire|bird: trying, building gconf now. [01:13] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:14] thornheart (n=thornhea@64.235.222.243) joined ##slackware. [01:14] hey all [01:14] hello [01:14] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [01:15] cmair (n=cmair@host231-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [01:17] fire|bird: so far so good with chromium. [01:18] So was i dumb to build kde 4.3 while using kde 4.2.4 ? [01:19] any problems,supergear? [01:20] no [01:20] hey i am only able to read dvd's/cd's when being in root user :S can anyone tell me why? im added to the cdrom group :S [01:20] not yet atleast [01:21] did you logout after you added yourself to cdrom ? [01:21] yup [01:21] good,supergear [01:21] agentc0re: cool [01:22] Action: deco got devede working \o/ [01:22] superGear: Were you using kde apps while building? The scripts install kde as the packages are built. [01:22] im getting some weird error message tho: (just gonna post part of it) the system responded:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied [01:23] fire|bird, I'm currently on kde4 building kde4 so yes [01:23] tho not much [01:23] since i use xchat and firefox mostly atm [01:23] gconf is gnome dependency ? [01:23] Dolphin just crash :O [01:24] err need gnome for chromium ? [01:24] heh, Well, I'd at least start with a fresh ~/.kde . It's not something I would have done, but you should be alright. [01:24] superGear: ^^^ [01:24] probably shouldn't have and kde specific apps open while building though [01:24] i guess i could reinstall slackware [01:24] and try it on a no kde installed [01:24] One of the packages is, of course, the entire kde desktop, so if that disappears, don't be surprised. [01:25] kdebase? [01:25] kdebase-workspace [01:25] which is built twice [01:25] that already installed [01:25] twice i believe [01:26] system settings - Help - says KDE 4.3.1 [01:26] i use ke slackbuild [01:26] used [01:26] The last time I built it, I just had it build in tty6 [01:26] kde [01:26] and used xfce in tty7 [01:26] i built it on um konsole [01:26] by mistake [01:27] but oh well [01:27] haha [01:27] blackthorne (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) joined ##slackware. [01:27] appears kdepim is building atm [01:28] i couldn't find where to change stuff to /usr/lib [01:28] so i had to trick it [01:28] not trick it [01:28] just edit scripts [01:29] which was a pain [01:29] i may clean install slack after kde is done [01:29] to see if i failed or not [01:29] thornheart (n=thornhea@64.235.222.243) left irc: [01:30] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-219-21.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [01:30] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [01:31] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [01:32] [maleko] (n=[]@unaffiliated/maleko/x-198721) joined ##slackware. [01:33] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@79.54.69.19) left ##slackware. [01:33] newest chrome is faster i think [01:33] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:34] Action: superGear isn't impressed with Chrome [01:34] Google is evil! [01:34] EVIL!!! [01:34] superGear: firefox has a few years head start. [01:35] more than a few [01:35] especially if you count mozilla [01:35] superGear: IE has more and still..... [01:36] mosaic [01:36] lol yuh that was basic [01:36] or whatever it was called [01:36] sp-somethin [01:38] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [01:40] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [01:45] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-167-6.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [01:47] excited to hear mozilla is going to adopt the process per tab idea though [01:47] neonflux (n=mrjones@98.97.244.102) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:47] flash and java plugins seem to crash firefox for me all the time [01:47] at least it won't take down the whole browser after they implement that :-/ [01:47] cmair (n=cmair@host231-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:49] Arv3n (n=Arv3n@cpe-174-096-175-001.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:50] what up ppl [01:50] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-167-6.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:52] first time slack user here. i really like it. nice and "clean", if you know what i mean. [01:52] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.71.197) joined ##slackware. [01:52] :-) [01:52] gtludwig (n=user@189.114.205.84) left irc: "Leaving" [01:52] kiwisaotome (n=sharizar@c-76-29-208-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:53] Arv3n: no, we have no idea what you mean. ;-) [01:54] xfce is nice and clean. ;) [01:54] i guess fvwm is not really clean [01:54] not MINE........:P [01:54] haha [01:54] im using kde 4.2.4 [01:55] Action: fire|bird hands MLanden a bar of soap to clean things up. :P [01:55] the only thing i saw was adding x to start was kinda hackish. [01:55] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:55] how so "hackish"? [01:55] fire|bird: ta!!.. switches the wallpaper,icons and theme to something more presentable....:P [01:56] i dunno. it just seems like, if i go through the trouble to make init 4 the default startup [01:56] don;t you jsut have to add liek on line to init? [01:56] or soemthign [01:56] Arv3n: ah you must be an ex ubuntu user right ? :P [01:56] i did it a while ago [01:56] Well, kinda. i use other distros all the time. [01:56] arch linux, gentoo, i've used a ton. [01:56] haven't since [01:56] MLanden: lol [01:56] Arv3n: it's pretty simple .. edit /etc/inittab and change the default runlevel from 3 to 4. [01:56] that's why coming to slackware was relatively easy [01:57] BP{k}: yes, but then you don't have any ttys i think. [01:57] Arv3n: tty6. [01:57] one? exactly.. [01:57] Arv3n: aye,lets you concentrate on the more important things...:D [01:57] Arv3n: and you can edit that as well. besides if you run X how many tty's do you actually need? that's what terminals are for ;) [01:57] yeah true true [01:58] but thats why it felt hackish, imo you usually don't do that [01:58] adding multiple ttys. *shrug* [01:58] first time doing it. ever. [01:59] Action: deco hugs his slackware box [01:59] Action: fire|bird tries to get nodoka theme engine installed. :/ [02:00] blackthorne (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) left irc: [02:01] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.230) left irc: "Leaving." [02:02] and on that note, I am out. g'night folks:) [02:02] night BP{k} [02:02] yeah me too [02:02] night all [02:02] night BP{k} [02:02] Nick change: Arv3n -> Arv3n|Sleep [02:02] real stylish,fire|bird [02:03] Arv3n|Sleep: please don't set yourself away like that .. we really do *NOT* care to see your nick reflecting what you do. You can always silently set yourself away. [02:04] lol [02:04] Sorry. good thing you caught me, because i was about to actually sleep. [02:04] Nick change: Arv3n|Sleep -> Arv3n [02:04] i formated a hard disk and make a ext4 partition, when i turn it on (via usb) it mounts as /media/disk but as root:root permission. Where i edit this permission? [02:04] lol [02:04] /etc/rc.d/rc.sleep restart. [02:04] :P [02:05] haha [02:05] Ah, there we go, got nodoka installed. [02:05] fstab? @ powtrix [02:06] I mean, any usb disk [02:06] hard disk via usb.. [02:06] its not there [02:07] i beleive if you change in fstab to soemthign like /dev/sdc1 /mnt/usb auto noauto,user,rw 0 0 [02:07] thats how i have it and when i mount anyusb disk that way i can read and write to it as a nomral user [02:08] and if you mount a second disk? sdd1 ? [02:08] if its in /dev/ as sdd1 [02:08] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:11] jhw (n=jhw@p548F411E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:11] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [02:12] good (almost) morning slackers [02:12] greetings alisonken1noc [02:13] mornin [02:13] mornin',alisonken1noc [02:13] altho i woke up from a 12 hour nap around 11pm [02:13] powernap [02:14] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-219-21.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:14] becasue i don't sleep [02:14] i nonly nap [02:14] elderK (n=zk@222-152-88-21.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [02:14] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-199-86.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [02:14] least you got your elevenses in,toastytoast [02:23] i'm going to request an opinion on something peculier [02:23] hackedhead_ (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [02:23] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:24] nix_chix0r: yes, they make your ass look fat [02:24] ha [02:24] good! [02:25] naw i was leaning over my desk at work sorting records and my nose started to run so i grab a tissue and like my nose drips out this neon green/yellow stuff [02:25] watery liquid i should say [02:26] thought maybe i was getting over my cold but it wasn't like phlemmy stuff [02:26] Mountain Dew,nix_chix0r? [02:27] eh? [02:27] MLanden: haha [02:28] hopefully,it's not too bad nix_chix0r [02:28] it was like that for a good ten minutes [02:28] then stopped [02:28] talk about sinus drainage [02:28] nix_chix0r: You should use a neti pot and clear that crap out. :P [02:29] nix_chix0r: infection, likely [02:29] probally just residual flu symptoms [02:29] or maybe you fractured something when you hit the car [02:29] nix_chix0r: You don't haz H1N1, do ya? :P [02:29] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:30] godling, some one said it was spinal fluid [02:30] did you actually get x-rays of your face? [02:30] no [02:30] someone is full of shit :P [02:30] said it was a tension headache [02:30] no way spinal fluid is coming from your nose [02:30] from hiting my head [02:30] That wouldn't be from hitting your head/shoulder, green and yellow indicates a sinus infection. [02:30] it's just normally you don't have bright liquid comming out of your nose [02:31] nix_chix0r: When you have a sinus infection it is. :) [02:31] if it's anything but clear it's got something in it. that something is usually some kind of bacteria [02:31] i showed my supervisor and she was like were you snorting your soda haha [02:31] CmdLnKid (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: "Command not found" [02:31] pretty sure if you hit your head hard 'nough, other colors of the rainbow will start leakin' out [02:31] hahaha [02:31] yeah [02:31] MLanden: purples, reds, oranges, :P [02:31] so go back to the doctor :P [02:32] nix_chix0r: Are you on an antibiotic at all? [02:32] and green clovers,fire|bird..:P [02:32] nah i just did my home remedy [02:32] yup :P [02:32] nix_chix0r: and what's that remedy? [02:32] fire|bird, vicks vapo spray, weed, and lots of fluids [02:32] :)) [02:33] nix_chix0r: heh, you know a sinus infection, if left untreated, can reach the brain, right? :) [02:33] so why'd you ask about it? :P [02:33] ienh (n=ienh@rennes.elikya.com) joined ##slackware. [02:33] fire|bird, really? [02:33] nix_chix0r: yeah [02:34] hmm [02:34] your brain is right there. any infection will take the path of least resistance [02:34] godling: exactly [02:34] that's why you don't fuck around with tooth abscesses [02:34] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host81-151-88-93.range81-151.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:34] this is probally the beginning of an infection then [02:34] unless you're poor like me and can't afford dental work :P [02:34] haha [02:34] i gota go to the dentist like asap anyway [02:34] you have dental insurance? [02:35] yeah [02:35] nix_chix0r: What's wrong with your teeth? [02:35] gota get my wisdom teeth pulled and fillings put in [02:35] fancy [02:35] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-199-86.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:35] all my temp fillings are out and i almost chipped a tooth [02:35] nix_chix0r: lol, sounds like a lotta fun. :P [02:35] it's going to be some work that's why i am avoiding it and chew on one side [02:35] It'd be like pulling teeth....oh....wait...... :P [02:35] ha [02:36] I have an impacted wisdom tooth and two other wisdom teeth that have already come in and need to come out (cavities) plus another premolar that's a cavity [02:36] godling: good grief, can't you just find a poor man's dentist? :P [02:36] if you have the insurance you should use it and get it over with [02:36] poor man's dentist? [02:36] i'm a wuss i hate the dentist=\ [02:36] i'm afraid he will yell at me [02:36] wimp [02:37] godling: just joking, beings you said above "can't afford dental work" [02:37] Why would he yell at you? [02:37] hairy arms too nix_chix0r [02:38] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [02:38] fire|bird, who knows. avoiding him for so long [02:38] nix_chix0r: ive been chowing on one side for a year now lol [02:38] lol [02:38] dec i've been doing it for 2 years [02:38] haha [02:39] cause if i bite down on the right side i'll hit a nerve [02:39] i will do it eventually [02:39] is it infected? [02:39] just need to find the right momment [02:39] nah [02:39] nix_chix0r: haha, it's a pain [02:39] deco: literally. :) [02:39] it's just my temporary fillings fell out and i never went back in to get real ones put in [02:39] so they will likely have to drill clean them up and re fill [02:40] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578BC4.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:40] yeah [02:40] hi guys [02:40] hopefully not a root canal [02:40] how do I set the dns? [02:40] although i never had a root canal or a deep cleaning [02:40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_abscess [02:40] nix_chix0r: i had a root canal once [02:41] Buggaboo: What are you trying to do? [02:41] nix_chix0r: Well, if they give ya enough lidocaine, or whatever they use, you won't feel a thing. :P [02:41] i want morphine :| [02:41] ahah [02:41] Buggaboo: which one? the one you control or the one the isp controls? [02:41] isp. [02:41] Action: nix_chix0r checks herself into vinland [02:41] I created a bridge br0, and some tun/taps for virtual guests (kvm) [02:42] nix_chix0r: i had a root canal when i was 12 and that was the last time ive seen a destist and now im 21 lol [02:42] lol,nix_chix0r ... the GOOD stuff...:D [02:42] I can ping, but no dns. [02:42] nix_chix0r: Just bring a hammer with to the dentist visit and say "Here, I wanna be knocked out first" [02:42] are you trying to change which dns is used or change the data in the dns database? [02:42] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-223-184.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [02:42] resolv.conf gets buggered by dhcpd which I don't even use. [02:42] so turn it off [02:42] MLanden, i want it g'ah [02:42] :) [02:42] nix_chix0r: junky [02:43] i would probally sell my body for it jk [02:43] :O [02:43] nix_chix0r: deco will buy ya. :P [02:44] then you'll be Stevie_Nicks_chix0r....:D [02:44] hahahaha [02:44] Buggaboo: all of your interfaces are manually assigned? if so, change /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf file and make sure USE_DHCP[*]="" [02:44] harharhar [02:44] so deco ?hai [02:44] fire|bird: LOL! [02:44] then kill all dhcp* processes [02:44] haha [02:44] nix_chix0r: sup [02:44] nix_chix0r: cash ? [02:44] where [*] is all of the entries for interfaces [02:44] i've got these cravins [02:44] i've been known to get 14 dollars [02:45] then you should be able to create a resolv.conf that doesn't get clobbered [02:45] nix_chix0r: pffft.hmmmm let me get my piggy bank [02:45] also if you really do need to run dhcpcd, but not have it clobber resolv.conf, you can run it with -R (by editing rc.inet1) [02:45] sirslacker (n=root@p4FDCD77A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:45] I read somewhere that some parameter in dhcpd will stop it from clobbering resolv.conf... [02:45] Urchlay: thanks - forgot that option (something to use at the home machine) [02:46] Buggaboo: See Urchlay's comment above [02:46] deco: Oh yeah, she's attracted to guys that pay her with a piggy bank. :P [02:46] fire|bird: you never know what i got there :P [02:46] your machine being a dhcp server won't clobber resolv.conf, but being a dhcp client will [02:46] fire|bird, perhaps a life supply of the good stuff [02:46] deco: Well, I'm not sure I want to now. :P [02:47] fire|bird: sure:P [02:47] unfortunately I don't see a way to add the -R by editing rc.inet1.conf, you'll have to edit the rc.inet1 script itself (no biggie, but something to be aware of when/if you upgrade to a new slack version) [02:47] nix_chix0r: home grown ? [02:47] that ok ? [02:47] This channel has public logs. :P [02:47] oh. sorry missed that one. [02:47] thanks guys. [02:47] godling, that's ok [02:47] godling: go to sleep [02:47] unless you're in the US :) [02:48] godling: no kids allow :P [02:48] deco: lick me where I pee. [02:48] alisonken1noc, i'm a rebel! [02:48] :P [02:48] ew [02:48] I could wish the peoeple who chose the names "dhcpd" and "dhcpcd" had had a budget to buy a couple of vowels or something [02:48] haha Urchlay [02:48] nix_chix0r: "neon green" snot and that comment disgusts you? [02:49] i'm not bothered by neon green snot i have a 6month old [02:49] nix_chix0r: you're a mom now. You're not allowed to be disgusted by anything, ever. [02:49] i just got a visual [02:49] godling: still speechless [02:49] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-102.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:50] i was just kinda waiting for deco to comply [02:50] perv [02:50] says the person who likes his pee hole licked by men [02:50] :o [02:50] lol [02:50] heh [02:50] lol [02:50] nix_chix0r: i already did , got my piggy bank ready [02:51] oh boy [02:51] there might be a channel on dalnet for ya...ewww(@)_(@) [02:51] sed -i 's/\(dhcpcd\)/\1 -R/g' /etc/rc.d/* ? [02:52] The problem is that when I descend into this type of conversation I'm always out-juveniled by other people. [02:52] Buggaboo: try it on a copy first :) [02:52] nix_chix0r: so hmmmm your house my house ... ? lol [02:52] Buggaboo: eh, I'd be a bit more careful [02:52] mines fine he's playing half life 2 [02:52] grep dhcpcd * | sed 's/\(dhcpcd\)/\1 -R/g' [02:53] works nicely. [02:53] Buggaboo: no need to run it on all of rc.d/*, just rc.inet1 is all that needs to be changed [02:53] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89D67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:53] slackytu1e (n=icke@p4FD89D67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:53] y0 slackytude [02:53] nix_chix0r: how long ? [02:53] deco: 2.5 hours [02:53] deco: I fixed the php stuff last day [02:53] Buggaboo: I would run "cat /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 | sed .... >/etc/rc.inet1.new" and verify before replacing [02:54] yesterday* [02:54] Buggaboo: that command is harmless but useless [02:54] fire|bird: good good [02:54] sorry >/etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.new [02:54] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSCNpzD37l4 haha. lol. the ubuntu dude is so irritating :D [02:54] Kowalczyk: nice :) [02:54] deco: I just had to reboot. and it worked. :P [02:54] Kowalczyk: lol [02:54] gogo [02:54] Buggaboo: "vi /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1", it's not that hard (replace vi with nano or whatever you like, point is to use a text editor for editing text) [02:54] look at that movie. hehe.. I hate that ubuntu dude :D [02:54] nix_chix0r: how shall we start ? [02:54] deco: She's in Northern Minnesota in the woods. ;) [02:54] fire|bird: oh in the woods eh ? [02:54] Urchlay, nah, I'm too lazy. [02:55] deco: yup, a tree house. :P [02:55] i live with deer and bears [02:55] nix_chix0r: can you dress as a bunny ? [02:55] damage is done, made a backup of rc.inet1 and left other rc.* well alone. [02:55] slackytu1e (n=icke@p4FD89D67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Client Quit [02:55] deco: that depends what's in the piggy bank [02:55] Buggaboo: also, if I were you, I'd put a comment with the date and your initials, explaining what you changed & why [02:55] wabbit season? [02:55] morning [02:55] y0 slackytude [02:55] nix_chix0r: and this hunter is ready ;-) [02:56] Action: fire|bird hopes doesn't use a line using "sharp shooter" :/ [02:56] that way you can grep for your initials in /etc before your next upgrade and see what config files you need to be extra-careful with [02:56] hopes deco * [02:56] fire|bird: got the good kind in there [02:56] Urchlay, hm... good one. [02:56] Action: nix_chix0r wonders if deco is using pick up lines auto generated terminal based app [02:56] Necrosporus (n=Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [02:56] hey look, grass is growing [02:57] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [02:57] nix_chix0r: damn you are in need and yet you insult me :P [02:57] i have a love hate thing [02:57] i'm sorry [02:57] nix_chix0r: you mean like a modified fortune or something? [02:57] nix_chix0r: getting bored :( [02:57] piggy is not breaking [02:57] deco, my bad [02:58] hm. [02:58] I should've put an alias /sbin/dhcpcd='/sbin/dhcpcd -R' instead [02:59] hm. the slash will probably not work. [02:59] ugh, I'm late for work. [03:00] damn Pat & co. for this brilliant tinkerware. [03:00] fire|bird: damn it fire|bird you must have told her something lol [03:00] haha [03:00] once again thanks guys. [03:00] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578BC4.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:01] deco: She just had to know the truth. :P [03:01] I got mail today from AT&T telling me how awesome it would be if I switched over to their cellphone service... its amazing because that's who my carrier is o.O [03:01] fire|bird: damn it, i told you it was just between us :P [03:02] nix_chix0r must have lost interest. :P [03:02] thanks to fire|bird -_- [03:03] Or she's got more neon green/yellow happening [03:03] lol must have gotten the whole rainbow now [03:03] hahaha [03:03] If I upgrade 12.1 to 13, will KDE3 still work? [03:04] i'm just a space cadet [03:04] No, 13 has kde4, in an upgrade, kde3 would be replaced. [03:04] nix_chix0r: You've been to the moon? [03:05] yeah while i'm working [03:05] i don't even remember yesterday [03:05] haha [03:05] see, the infection HAS reached your brain. :P [03:05] like i got a lot of work done yesterday and i don't even remember doing it [03:05] hm, you could upgrade all but the kde/ series, wonder if that'd work [03:05] we are too late :( [03:06] crap [03:06] ha [03:06] Urchlay: I think there'd be a bunch of dep conflicts, files needed that aren't there, wrong versions, etc. [03:06] something about the qt upgrade won't work with kde3 [03:06] true,fire|bird [03:06] even if you installed the qt3-compat stuff from extra/ with it? [03:07] not saying I expect it to work, just wondering if it might [03:07] kde also depends on strigi, akonadi, soprano, etc. too that are not in kde/ even. [03:07] IIRC there were conflicts even if the kde3-compat was installed [03:07] being a KDE hater, I just want to see him try it and hose KDE so he'll have to learn to use something else :) [03:07] It'd end up in a mess that would need either a lot of fixing or a reinstall anyway. Remember, he's going from 12.1 to 13 [03:08] errr [03:08] even the gtk packages might get hosed as well [03:08] which would need 12.1 to 12.2 first, THEN to 13 [03:08] or do like I do and format the system partition and install the new version :) [03:08] Necrosporus: you do know that, when you upgrade, you have to upgrade to each release in turn? (12.1 to 12.2, make sure it works, *then* to 13.0) [03:09] i don't really understand why that has to be though [03:09] since upgradepkg just removes files and adds files [03:09] it should be just fine ? [03:09] Urchlay, why? [03:09] oh, i guess there are some do_inst scripts or whatever... [03:09] alisonken1noc: That's what I do many times, but this last time with 13 release, I didn't because I had done a fresh install of current a week or two before. [03:09] fhobia: not always - there's some differences in system files that are not checked if you go too far between distributions [03:10] fhobia: well, it might work going directly from 12.1 to 13.0, but then it might fail miserably... Pat never tests it that way [03:10] alisonken1noc: but you are just removing files and adding files ? there is checking ? [03:10] in other words, if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces [03:10] any examples ? [03:10] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:10] There were HUGE changes just from 12.2 to 13, from 12.1 to 13, without an upgrade to 12.2 first, would most likely end in disaster. [03:11] Anyways, I'll try to upgrade directly, if upgraded system will not work  mkfs [03:11] And clean intall [03:11] fhobia: no examples from me, I never tried it... [03:11] (with backup copy of / partition) [03:12] Necrosporus: yep, that's the way to go [03:12] if i just had aaa_base and then removepkg on everything it would remove all the 12.1 stuff, then calling installpkg with all the 13.0 stuff should be just fine [03:12] ? [03:12] since its just a list of files for each package [03:12] ah well, i believe you, fire|bird [03:12] fire|bird: note: "... fresh install of -current" :) I usually don't run current [03:12] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-223-184.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:12] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-199-133.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [03:12] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [03:13] fhobia: again: it might work, it might not, it isn't officially supported, you're on your own [03:13] yeah, i gotcha [03:13] fhobia: as noted, it's not officiall supported to jump versions when doing an upgrade, may work, may not work. [03:13] personally I'd try it, if I had a good backup [03:13] (er, and if I weren't already on 13) [03:14] I still have my previous version cd sets, so it may be worth a try just for fun :) [03:15] dang, I had a wicked lag for a while. [03:15] one thing that might bite you in the ass upgrading from 12.1 to 13.0: you need tar and xz from 13.0 before you can upgrade .txz packages... and I dunno whether the tar and xz binaries from 13 will run with glibc-solibs from 12.1 (they will, with the one from 12.2) [03:15] alisonken1noc: using a vm as a sandbox? [03:15] MLanden: nope - spare laptop [03:15] alisonken1noc: that'l do it [03:16] Urchlay, do you know, can I install KDE from 12.2 iso to 13.0? I suppose, at least I can download KDE3 slackbuild set for 13.0 and use it on sources from 12.2 disk [03:16] so upgrading glibc-solibs first would be recommended, or else building your own tar/xz packages for 12.1 [03:16] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [03:16] Necrosporus: That most likely wouldn't work well. [03:17] hey _guitarman_ [03:17] y0 _guitarman_ [03:17] <_guitarman_> hi deco fire|bird and all [03:17] <_guitarman_> im just installing slackware64 13.0 [03:17] _guitarman_: How's it going? [03:17] _guitarman_: awesome. I have that on the laptop [03:17] Necrosporus: no idea. It might work better than just installing the binary packages, but you have a good chance of running into compiler troubles (the old scripts assume an older gcc, newer gcc might be stricter & require patches to the KDE sources...) [03:18] I believe Pig_Pen has downgraded to kde3 in 13, but I'm not sure what all he did. [03:18] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: did you choose the generic kernel on install or after? [03:18] fire|bird: couple of websites have it doc'd [03:19] _guitarman_: yes, because I am using luks + lvm and therefore use an initrd. [03:19] MLanden: cool [03:19] _guitarman_: generic requires initrd - which you create after you boot the new system [03:19] here's one of 'em http://linuxcritic.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/upgrading-from-kde-4-2-4-to-kde-3-5-10-in-slackware-13/ [03:19] Urchlay, i suppose, it's possible to offline upgrade  booted from slackdvd [03:19] <_guitarman_> understand now alisonken1noc and fire|bird thanks [03:19] yw [03:19] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [03:20] <_guitarman_> MLanden: ah, so im not the only one having a hard time adjusting to kde4 [03:20] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [03:20] _guitarman_: i switched to xfce and loving it :P [03:20] MLanden: I take it that linuxcritic doesn't like kde4.x - "... replaced the highly stable, robust, and fully tested KDE 3.5.10 with the much less stable, buggy, half-baked and in fact barely usable KDE 4.2.4." [03:20] _guitarman_: When it's up and running, if you use it, would you let me know if 64bit flash works? Urchlay and I haven't had any success in that department and get browser crashes. [03:21] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-100-254.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:21] who,me?.....neh,xfce with 12.2 on desktop....lxde on laptop [03:21] lxde's 13.0..:D [03:21] im using xfce too, will give lxde a try one day [03:21] xfce is excellent. I just switched to nodoka theme and echo icons [03:21] fire|bird: screeny please :) [03:21] hm. That guy in MLanden's link, just installed 13.0 minus kde/ and the qt stuff from l/, then installed binary packages from a 12.2 DVD, and he says it worked... [03:22] slim has been upsetting though, it will ONLY login to kde. :/ [03:22] YMMV....so dunno,Urchlay [03:22] _guitarman_: let me qualify that: we get crashes using 64-bit flash, on any site that has flash video, *other than* youtube [03:22] <_guitarman_> Urchlay: :( really? [03:23] <_guitarman_> hmmm. any workarounds Urchlay ? [03:23] _guitarman_: yeah, so we've had to use nspluginwrapper and 32bit flash, ONLY flash 9 works that way. [03:23] [Kairos] (n=Kairos@unaffiliated/kairos) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:23] yeah. If someone's got a myspace page with embedded video, *kaboom* the whole browser explodes [03:23] [Kairos] (n=Kairos@unaffiliated/kairos) joined ##slackware. [03:23] _guitarman_: nspluginwrapper + 32-bit flash9. I have yet to get 32-bit flash10 to work, even with the latest nspluginwrapper that claims to support it [03:23] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:24] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-102.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:24] Urchlay: yeah, same here, 10 WILL not work. [03:24] and of course it won't be long before flash9 becomes unusable (all sites will say "sorry, flash 10 is required") [03:24] yup [03:24] [maleko] (n=[]@unaffiliated/maleko/x-198721) left irc: [03:25] so, we're doomed unless adobe makes something for 64 bit that works [03:25] fire|bird: 32-bit flash10 for me just does nothing (doesn't display flash applets, nor does it display the little "you must install flash" banner you'd get if you had no flash) [03:25] same here [03:26] <_guitarman_> if you guys are partitioning a /, home, and swap partition, do you make them all primary partitions? (i made / primary, home a logical, and swap a primary. [03:26] doesn't matter [03:26] _guitarman_: I use /boot, /, swap, /home (in that order) [03:26] <_guitarman_> just curious if it makes a difference other than drive labeling [03:27] I'd lean towards using all primary partitions, if I know I'm not making more than 4 partitions [03:27] MS is the only reason for primary partitions as far as I remember [03:27] alisonken1noc: IBM actually, it's due to the way the original PC (or XT anyway) BIOS works [03:28] hardcore gaming right here: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2009-09/22/the-computer-game-that-destroys-your-files.aspx [03:28] Urchlay: however - due to MS technical work, even today primary partitions are needed for windows [03:28] <_guitarman_> alisonken1noc: even if u convert to dynamic? or did they drop that after windows 2000 [03:29] Reticenti: hm, that reminds me of this: http://psdoom.sourceforge.net/ [03:29] _guitarman_: I just remember seeing that windows requires a primary partition to boot [03:29] <_guitarman_> alisonken1noc: yeah. hey, the boot partition only needs to be 20mb or so right? [03:30] alisonken1noc: requires a primary partition to exist, or requires the C: drive to be on a primary partition? [03:30] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:30] whatever you think you're going to need: typically kernel, initrd (if using generic), system.map, and config files would be good canditates for /boot [03:30] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [03:30] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-199-133.epm.net.co) left irc: "Leaving" [03:30] Urchlay: requires a primary partition to boot (could be d: or e: or f: as well) [03:30] _guitarman_: correct. Unless you're planning to keep 10 or 20 old kernels around, 20MB will be fine [03:30] <_guitarman_> :) thx Urchlay [03:31] Urchlay: even when I was using the Amiga 2000's scsi drive,i set it up with primary partitions..hda1,hda2 etc [03:31] MLanden: hm, the Amiga used the MS/IBM partition scheme too? (I thought its filesystem was pretty non-DOS-like) [03:32] more unix based [03:32] the Atari 520ST on the other hand, used FAT-12 for floppies and probably FAT-16 for hard drives (dunno about paritioning, nobody I knew could afford hard drives back then) [03:34] Lalloso (n=h4x0r@62.123.95.200) joined ##slackware. [03:35] Urchlay: it was priortary..something like affs [03:35] yeah... I wanted an amiga pretty bad back then [03:36] proprietary-ness wasn't a concern, everything was proprietary in the "home computer" world back then [03:36] flvr (i=0@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) joined ##slackware. [03:36] got mine 'bout like '96...after everyone was goin' Win95 [03:36] I accidentally discovered an Atari 8-bit floppy drive could read the sectors from a TRS-80 floppy disc, except it read it inverted (1's and 0's were swapped) [03:37] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [03:37] (eh, these were both 5 1/4" drives, no easy/cheap way to read 8" floppies on the Atari, and no, folding them up so they fit doesn't work :) [03:39] remember reading 'bout that....did something like disk dump from one drive to another while reversing the bits...dunno if it worked well [03:39] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) joined ##slackware. [03:40] hahaha, a map of the US McDonalds restaurants. :P http://blog.dagoosh.com/post/2009/09/22/furthest-point-from-mcdonalds.aspx [03:40] <_guitarman_> hey, in fedora, the boot partition had to be ext3, is this also true with slackware... boot must be ext3 instead of 4? [03:41] <_guitarman_> this is if i have ext4 eveywere else [03:41] boot can be any type [03:41] <_guitarman_> wow - thats a lot of mc'd's! [03:41] <_guitarman_> thanks tank-man [03:41] haha, it sure is. [03:42] <_guitarman_> wonder what the deal was with F11 requiring /boot be ext3 and not 4. [03:42] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:42] No wonder America is fat, look at all the McDonalds. :P [03:42] _guitarman_: as long as you use lilo, it shouldn't matter what format is used (except possibly reiser, but haven't tried it yet) [03:42] <_guitarman_> hahah ... hey they have salads right? [03:43] <_guitarman_> alisonken1noc: woot.. all ext4 it is then :) [03:43] yeah, but who goes to mc'd's for a salad. [03:43] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: my wife ;) [03:43] <_guitarman_> shes off wheat and dairy [03:44] fire|bird is now known as big|mouth|bird. :( [03:44] fire|bird, the best part is the clear line of demarcation straight down the middle. [03:44] :P [03:44] <_guitarman_> lol - dont worry - most people wouldnt [03:44] on that topic of mcdonalds ... http://www.diseaseproof.com/pyramidWLIR.jpg [03:44] <_guitarman_> more in the ezst [03:44] <_guitarman_> odd [03:44] <_guitarman_> east rather [03:45] ccfreak2k: yeah [03:45] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:46] _guitarman_: grub needs a patch for ext4 which fedora didnt add. afaik they will add it in 12. Slackware uses lilo which doesnt suffer from such problems [03:46] macius (n=macius@i209-195-85-102.cia.com) left irc: "leaving" [03:46] <_guitarman_> sahko: oh thank you for the detailed explanation [03:47] Action: _guitarman_ just got given a Pentium D 1gb ram PC ... a step up from the first generation P4 i was running. [03:47] fire|bird: here's one of those blank spots http://www.urbanspoon.com/ch/236/271015/Nevada/McDonalds.html [03:48] <_guitarman_> thats surprisingly few for an entire state [03:49] _guitarman_: depending on the mobo, you might be able to drop a Core 2 in there :) [03:50] Necrosporus (n=Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: "Leaving" [03:50] <_guitarman_> LSD`: yeah, I think I will look into that... I know the Pentium D is the poor mans 64 bit chip [03:50] <_guitarman_> well, I have been told [03:51] anyone else have an intel dual-core centrino with intel video that has the answer to why graphics are not smooth when effects are enabled in 13 on kde4? [03:51] and glxgears does show accelerated graphics is working [03:52] The D stands for dual core. It was basically a pair of prescott P4s shoehorned into a single package. There were single core P4s with EM64T as well, not that 64 bit was really a major concern at the time. Most of the chipsets for it didn't support enough RAM to make it worth it [03:53] <_guitarman_> LSD`: interesting... so would you have installed a 64 bit os or not with a Pentium D chip? [03:53] <_guitarman_> this is the first time i have tried a 64 bit os ... i figured, i should probalbly jump and see [03:54] <_guitarman_> alisonken1noc: is this the GEM issues? [03:54] sirslacker (n=root@p4FDCD77A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving." [03:54] GEM? [03:55] (those single-core Pentium 4s with EM64T were late in the game, but before any Core 2 Duos were made) [03:55] wrodrigues (n=wrodrigu@124.124.229.181) joined ##slackware. [03:55] <_guitarman_> alisonken1noc: I dont know if it was the kernel or the latest xorg, but i found the intel stuff got crashy - certain chipsets... for instance, my sons system - dont recall exact intel chipset it had, youtube would just crash the browser. [03:56] <_guitarman_> dave yates of lotta linux links discusses it a bit in one of his episodes as well [03:56] <_guitarman_> interesting ccfreak2k - i would like to get more on top of hardware knowledge... i should read intel and amd websites more often [03:57] I'm pretty sure they added EM64T with the Prescott line. [03:57] That would have been some time in 2005 I think. [03:57] _guitarman_: as soon as I install flash, I'll give youtube a try [03:58] ccfreak2k: I think it was the generation after Prescott. Tejas, Presler, something like that. It was the 65nm shrink right before the desktop Conroes iirc. [03:59] the other issue is the intel_fb not showing anything on the console after x shuts down [03:59] but that's a known issue as well [03:59] Aha. [04:00] LSD`, it was first put into Nocona (Xeon), and was added to the E0 revision Prescotts. [04:00] heh, I was wrong on both counts. Cedar Mill was the 65nm shrink of P4, and there were a few Prescotts on 90nm with EM64T. [04:03] I have one somewhere, it's a 630 [04:04] How in the hell was Intel able to get two 90nm Prescott cores (each 85W TDP) into a single package with a 95W TDP (Smithfield Pentium D) without tanking the vcore? o_O [04:05] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [04:06] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:07] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:08] Probably the same way they fucked up Willamette. [04:08] Magic. [04:08] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [04:11] <_guitarman_> hmmm. kde4 isnt so bad on a decent system [04:13] A "decent system" just makes the performance gap acceptably small. [04:13] _guitarman_, maybe you need a crappy system ;) [04:14] good night everyone [04:14] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [04:14] or a super C ;) [04:17] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:18] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [04:23] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:24] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-167-6.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [04:31] mingdao (n=mingdao@unaffiliated/mingdao) joined ##slackware. [04:34] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:35] linXea (n=e@nomad-ult-c4185.data.slu.se) joined ##slackware. [04:37] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.240.23) joined ##slackware. [04:37] Who won? xsamurai or Quiznos? 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[04:56] hi, after remove everything in /tmp/ now when i restarted slackware 13 (kde) the keyboard does not work. how to fix it? [04:57] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc65216e1.cns.vt.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:59] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.141) left irc: "Leaving" [05:01] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.84.35) joined ##slackware. [05:01] metriccwrench (n=ii@12.178.212.226) joined ##slackware. [05:02] anyone can help? [05:02] not sure the two are related. [05:02] is the /tmp worl writable? [05:03] wouldn't expect kde to start otherwise. so it must be. [05:04] linXea (n=e@nomad-ult-c4185.data.slu.se) joined ##slackware. [05:04] linXea (n=e@nomad-ult-c4185.data.slu.se) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [05:04] jonsmith1982: its permission mod is 700 [05:04] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-uigrfoqzbetcxvvh) joined ##slackware. [05:05] jonsmith1982: kde starts fine. but after that keyboard does not work. it works fine in console mode though [05:05] Action: The-Croupier is his birthday today [05:05] o.o I just looked at the clock on my digital box, it had 404.. first thought: WTF? It can't find the TIME??? [05:05] greets the channel [05:05] congrats The-Croupier. [05:06] jonsmith1982: thanks [05:06] quasar: you need to get out of the house more .... [05:06] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-77-252.ip37.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "leaving" [05:07] If its friday and you see on your digital clock, 13:13 what would happen then? [05:07] and its the 13th of the month ;) [05:07] and you just turned 13 ;) [05:07] Action: The-Croupier thinks that would be really unlucky...but hey [05:09] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) left irc: Success [05:09] Action: jescis sings "Birthday" by the Beatles to The-Croupier ;) [05:10] don155, if you switch to another console ctrl + alt + f2 does the keyboard work then? press alt + f7 to get back to kde. [05:10] jhw (n=jhw@p548F411E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:10] jescis: thank you, your voice sounds really nice [05:10] ;) [05:11] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:11] thanks :) [05:11] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-100-254.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:11] jhw (n=jhw@p548F411E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:11] don155: is it a laptop? otherwise...is the cable plugged in... [05:11] ;) [05:12] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-100-254.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:12] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:13] Action: jescis tries sounding like the original artist... but has a southern accent, worsen by having CP(Cerebral Palsey) :) [05:13] How to change the keyboard configuration from qwerty to dvorak? [05:14] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) left irc: "leaving" [05:14] might suggest kbd >.> [05:14] jonsmith1982: cant press ctrl-alt-f2 'cause the keyboard is totally disabled. the mouse is ok, so i using it to press logout to find that the keyboard in console mode is fine [05:15] The-Croupier: it's a laptop [05:16] damn, there was a command in console to configure the keyboard...dont remmeber which now though..and im not in a slackware box atm [05:16] don155: what wm, are you using? [05:16] try changing wms and see if it works in any of those... then search online for keyboard not working in x [05:17] why would one want to change the keyboard to anything else apart form qwerty? and how many are there? [05:17] don155: /tmp shouldnt be 700 but 1777 [05:18] adeodatus: in X or in console? [05:18] In console. [05:18] The-Croupier: wm=windows manager? i'm using kde [05:19] Action: jescis was gonna suggest maybe reconfiguring the keyboard for X >.> [05:19] adeodatus: loadkeys dvorak [05:19] don155: run `pgrep hald` [05:19] don155: try wmconfig choose something else [05:19] see if it works [05:19] Zordrak: thank you very much! [05:20] check what Zordrak said... [05:20] adeodatus: np.. am on dvorak-uk mysolf :) [05:20] Zordrak: is that why you make so many spellings "mysolf" [05:20] :p [05:20] hunce why my vawels ore stull a but iffy [05:20] Action: The-Croupier hides [05:21] The-Croupier: i'm in xfce now, no problem. but i prefer kde [05:21] don155: well, now at least know that it is a kde problem ;) [05:21] m and w should not be together.. it hurts! and with all the vowels together its hard for you fingers to learn which is which [05:22] don155: as per sahxo : chmod -R 1777 /tmp [05:22] *sahko [05:22] sahko: my /tmp is "drwxrwxrwt". dont know why the last is 't' not 'x' [05:22] Action: jescis now thinks it's a setting in kde :\ [05:22] Zordrak: it looks very wierd to type with dvorak... but why do you use that? [05:22] The-Croupier: many reasons [05:23] The-Croupier: 1. becaule i can [05:23] The-Croupier: 1. because i can [05:23] Zordrak: not valid [05:23] 2. to fend off future RSI [05:23] Zordrak: no.2 didnt get that..... [05:23] don155: http://slackbook.org/html/book.html#FILESYSTEM-STRUCTURE-PERMISSIONS [05:23] 2. because a new skill is always welcome and i am learning to be able to switch between qwerty and dvorak instantly [05:23] err that was 3. :) [05:24] The-Croupier: google rsi [05:24] i get rsi... i dont get how do you fend off rsi [05:24] Action: jescis thinks Zordrak uses Dvorak because QWERTY is too popular and he wants to be different ;) [05:24] 4. It has been demonstrated that people fluent in dvorak have a faster typing speed than they did with qwerty [05:24] either way you are typing in a keyboard...nonetheless you are making it more hard to type on it [05:25] I use qwerty on my main desktop, but Dvorak-uk for the IRC machine [05:25] Zordrak: no.4 as you said people not you [05:25] they are both equally placed on my desk and i swap between the two constantly [05:25] The-Croupier: im not *fluent* yet... but am guetting there [05:26] ive gotten on top of most of my major spelling mistakes.. it's mostly the vowels now [05:26] the only valid reason i can see in all this is just to learn a new skilll.... good for you...but i dont see how that is useful. [05:26] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [05:26] maybe im wrong [05:26] practice makes perfect... as they say ;) [05:26] Action: The-Croupier thinks and googles [05:26] The-Croupier: Google RSI [05:26] Zordrak: rsi = repetative strain injuries [05:26] don155 (n=bnguyen@113.22.23.236) left irc: "leaving" [05:27] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repetitive_strain_injury [05:27] dvorak helps to combat RSI because the hand travel is so different [05:27] all the most common keys are on the home row [05:27] they dont come from the type of keyboard you have... they come from your keyboard whatever it is [05:27] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [05:27] The-Croupier: not totally true [05:27] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [05:27] Zordrak: ohh yeah.... [05:27] The-Croupier: do you use slackware to be different? [05:28] they come from the way you sit on your computer [05:28] or do you uso it because it is intrinsically better? [05:28] the way you look at the screen [05:28] etc [05:28] The-Croupier: no.. thats posture [05:28] The-Croupier: RSI in the wrists is a different issue [05:28] martinus (n=martinus@125.167.49.18) joined ##slackware. [05:28] still causes various rsi [05:28] Zordrak: i think i do have rsi...already... :( [05:29] The-Croupier: http://dvzine.org [05:29] read it, dont just skim it [05:29] what's worse rsi or carpol tunnel? [05:29] Zordrak: ok [05:29] guys, I'm getting an error while starting wicd-client [05:29] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:29] glib.GError: The name org.freedesktop.Notifications was not provided by any .service files [05:30] rings a bell to anyone? [05:30] Kaapa: greetings [05:30] hello there [05:30] mornin all [05:31] check into that folder of the pkg you are trying to run [05:31] theblackbox, mornin' :) [05:31] maybe you should create or edit the .service file [05:31] hum, this is the official wicd package [05:32] Kaapa: i know but it wasnt working for me as well, last time i checked last night [05:32] maybe you need to edit something...it might be like slackpkg that you need to put the mirrors [05:33] Kaapa: also, who said that cos its official it should work with customed pcs ;) [05:33] you said it "wasn't" ? [05:33] Kaapa: did you restart dbus after installing wicd? [05:33] Kaapa: yep. it was not [05:33] don155 (n=bnguyen@113.22.23.236) joined ##slackware. [05:33] The-Croupier: you're supposed to be reading :) [05:33] Zordrak: im trying to help first [05:33] guys, chmod /tmp to 1777 does not help [05:34] there is a chmod 1777?!!!!!!! [05:34] the keyboard is still totally disabled [05:34] The-Croupier, the "1" probably sets one of the bits. [05:35] sahko: no. But I didn't install it [05:35] ccfreak2k: ohhh i see [05:35] Action: The-Croupier is his birthday and got ony one happy birthday from 200 ppl in here :( [05:35] The-Croupier: google Sticky Bit [05:35] Kaapa: then wicd wont be usable [05:35] ccfreak2k, there's supposed to only be four digits to it though. Not five :\ [05:36] I counted four in "1777". [05:36] How many did YOU count? [05:36] five... might be my eyes >.< [05:37] The-Croupier, happy buffday [05:37] THERE.. ARE........ FOUR... BITS.... *collapse* [05:37] sahko: I don't have /etc/rc.d/rc.dbus anymore... /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus ? [05:37] Action: Zordrak slaps anyone whe doesnt gfet the reference [05:37] No version of Linux has ever supported the traditional behavior. its says... slackware does?! [05:37] I got it. [05:37] Kaapa: yes [05:37] It was from Star Trek. [05:38] theblackbox: thanks... [05:38] Zordrak, it was an honest mistake based on The-Croupier's statement not don155s >.> [05:38] Action: The-Croupier still waiting for more..... [05:38] sahko: I just rebooted, dunno why it didn't work properly then, but I'll try again [05:39] Kaapa: the error you are getting is definately related to dbus [05:39] don155 (n=bnguyen@113.22.23.236) left irc: "leaving" [05:39] it was a bit laboured, but I /am/ a nasty bastard [05:40] dang, restarting messagebus with X running was not a good idea [05:40] theblackbox: dont worry we know [05:40] theblackbox, I bet not as nasty as Capcom's Megaman X6 >.< [05:40] Kaapa: thats why booting in init 4 is a bad idea:) [05:41] sahko: not booting in init4 [05:41] I'm the Victor Vaughn of IRC [05:41] it was more of a general comment [05:41] sahko: ok, solved! [05:41] restarting messagebus worked [05:41] but it's weird... I just made a reboot for a kernel upgrade [05:41] anyway, thanks [05:42] great:) [05:42] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [05:43] hum, now it doesn't to to the dock of xfce [05:43] well, i should have restarted...i bet when i get back it would be working :( [05:44] Kaapa: you might wanna read /usr/doc/wicd-1.6.2.1/README.SLACKWARE [05:44] guys, my boss is telling me to get certification from microsoft administrator..., is there anything else i can get .. i dont like having to sit on lectures on how windows works... anyone knows of any? [05:44] sahko: reading it, ty [05:44] although that may not solve your problem, it should be useful [05:45] The-Croupier: MSCE? sux2bu [05:45] i think so... i have studied computer networking engineer and he wants me to have certifications like that... [05:46] :( he says they need microsoft stuff..and i have to pay from my own pocket [05:46] :( [05:46] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [05:46] excuse me while i piss myself laughing [05:46] i mean im sympathetic.... but its hilarious [05:47] Action: alisonken1noc agrees with Zordrak [05:47] theblackbox, bummer >.> thank god I'm not working for someone like that >.> [05:47] s /theblackbox,/ The-Croupier [05:48] still something wrong [05:48] libnotify-Message: Unable to get session bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-z0BDlaoGTv: Connection refused [05:48] i found it hilarious as well, been working in his company for 2years [05:48] Could not initalize pynotify [05:49] been designing the network,configuring every single pc and crap.... [05:49] and now i need microsoft cr** [05:49] wtf?! is there a way to avoid this? [05:49] Now thay's what I call BullShit! [05:49] im asking cos i know some of you work for companies..and you are more experienced [05:50] The-Croupier: tell him in your professional/ opinion that it is a waste of time and resorces and that if he insists he must pay for the course and pay you full-time while you're doing it [05:50] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.77) joined ##slackware. [05:50] The-Croupier: find a new employer. one thats not making you get useless certs out of your own pocket. [05:51] spook: that is very difficult in greece [05:51] here only the papers count [05:51] are you a valued employee? [05:51] you could be the best ever... but no certs...so.... [05:51] spook: what do you mean? by valued? [05:51] it will be nice when they figure out that certs are only as good as the paper they're printed on [05:52] Now Playing... Huey Lewis - If this is it [05:52] is it going to be more expensive for them to pay for the certifications, or to find someone else? [05:52] alisonken1noc: yep [05:52] Does a linux cert count? >.> [05:52] none... [05:52] jescis: can i get one online? [05:52] jescis: get's your foot in the interviewers door [05:52] spook: he can find a college boy for less money than me... he can make me pay some of the cert [05:53] but he cannot find anyone who can do all the jobs i do in here [05:53] in that less money [05:53] less/little [05:53] The-Croupier: yeah so you have leverage. [05:53] I think so The-Croupier :\ [05:53] leverage? [05:53] you can get what you want [05:53] As always, human == could be wrong ;) [05:53] jescis: please post a link if you can... [05:54] aim for 50% of the cert cost. [05:54] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-167-6.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:54] spook: please elaborate....advice [05:54] start at 100% or 75% [05:54] work it back to what you're prepared to pay [05:54] spook: ohh kind of business deal thingie [05:54] spook: let me give you a full view: [05:54] can anyone recommend a twitter client for linux? pref. non-kde [05:54] what i do.. [05:55] The-Croupier, that's called haggling ;) [05:55] 7** (xfdesktop:17752): CRITICAL **: Unable to get keyboard/mouse grab. Unable to popup desktop menu' [05:55] Kaapa: perl [05:55] ** (xfdesktop:17752): CRITICAL **: Unable to get keyboard/mouse grab. Unable to popup desktop menu' [05:55] gawd [05:55] why does it says this? [05:55] word is killing me [05:55] masterx831: PASTEBIN [05:55] spook: :p [05:55] spook: pastebin what [05:56] I cant use my mouse or keyboard on xfce [05:56] 1. senior Administrator in the Athens premises, 2. teaching college people to get ready for universities in Uk and USA, 3.Research various project 4.Scripting 5.programming 6.backoffice help on various departments [05:56] why? [05:56] spook: how much do you think i get paid for those? [05:57] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:57] probally not much [05:58] The-Croupier: you make coffee too? [05:58] slackytude: sometimes.... [05:58] i am the first here [05:58] i switch on even the receptions pcs...clean up if i see anything bad [05:58] Action: The-Croupier notes he is the only one who does those [05:59] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [05:59] ohhh and i help with various DIY around the premises as well [05:59] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [05:59] i get 900 euros... no insurance [06:00] I demand you get paid more!! >:( [06:00] :( thats why i need another job [06:00] ewwwww EUROs [06:00] Nick change: azarion -> anahel [06:00] huh? 900euros? [06:00] Action: jescis wonders what that is in US$ :\ [06:02] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [06:03] The-Croupier: I just got a contract as student here, which barely ranks above intern, yet I get about 500 euros more [06:04] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) joined ##slackware. [06:04] The-Croupier: how many hours you work there? just a half-day job? [06:04] jescis: about $1500US [06:04] i thought dollar and euro were near-enough 1:1 [06:05] sorry - $1331.19us according to google http://www.google.com/search?q=900+euros+to+u.s.+dollars&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.slamd64:en-US:official&client=firefox-a [06:05] 1,330.19 USD [06:05] wow o.O send me at least 10% please The-Croupier? [06:06] Action: slackytude fetches some kebap [06:07] blackthorne (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) joined ##slackware. [06:08] masterx831: Can you use your mouse/keyboard in another window manager? [06:09] slackytude: i work here two years and 4month..with 8hours per day [06:10] with sometimes overtime 3 to 4hours more..and overtime doesnt get paid [06:11] i think of going to another country...im sure ill get more than $1000 [06:11] good thing I work in the US - overtime pay is required [06:11] alisonken1noc: yeah.. so noone gets anything done and the japanese beat you at every turn ;) [06:12] Working in the US does not guarantee overtime pay. [06:13] in all of the jobs I had (except the canoe club), the law is compensation for overtime or the company can get busted [06:13] when working hourly wages it does, it's federal law [06:13] adamk: its weird I just hit alt + ctrl and c and typed startx and it's working now [06:13] compensation could also be time off if you're salaried [06:13] why did it happen? [06:14] alisonken1noc: not here [06:14] alicephilippa (i=alice@78.105.168.173) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [06:15] never has...i doubt it never will [06:16] http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/exam.aspx?ID=70-291&locale=en-us on this site it has prometric company there.. and im an Administrator for tests on that company as well... [06:17] alisonken1noc: There are various exemptions to FLSA: http://www.dol.gov/compliance/laws/comp-flsa.htm [06:17] why the hell do i need a microsoft cert?! [06:17] Action: The-Croupier is still annoyed and bugged by that... [06:17] Bah, I don't think that's the link I was looking for. [06:17] jescis: have you seen any linux certs? unix certs...anything i could do online..or read online.. [06:18] Here it is: http://www.dol.gov/elaws/esa/flsa/screen75.asp [06:18] since i need certs ... i have to get a couple of more papers....anyone knows of any ... i dont mind the reading ...or working [06:19] martinus (n=martinus@125.167.49.18) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:19] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-167-6.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [06:19] masterx831: No idea. But it's working now? [06:22] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.16.12) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:25] Ephedrax_ (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-109-254.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:29] blackthorne_ (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) joined ##slackware. [06:30] http://tinyurl.com/kuae23 [06:31] blackthorne__ (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) joined ##slackware. [06:32] cute [06:36] The-Croupier, just because you administer the test, doesn't mean you actually know all the answers. [06:38] blackthorne_ (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [06:38] The-Croupier, it was a while ago, and I probably saw it on linux distro site or I googled it :\ [06:38] The-Croupier: RHCE [06:39] aw that's what I was thinking of m:) [06:39] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-100-254.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:40] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.2.7) joined ##slackware. [06:41] The-Croupier, I was thinking of RHCE... which means Red Hat :\ [06:41] welcome to the industry [06:42] Action: jescis hopes The-Croupier doesn't hate Red Hat too much ;) [06:43] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@90.47.164.222) joined ##slackware. [06:44] reserve hate for anything until you get the job. [06:45] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [06:45] Action: jescis waves his hand vertically and says to adamk "That's not the link you're looking for" [06:46] blackthorne (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) left irc: Connection timed out [06:48] blackthorne__ (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) left irc: Client Quit [06:49] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) left irc: "Leaving" [06:50] misspwn (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [06:50] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:50] The-Croupier: you dont get paid enough [06:50] agreed [06:50] paissad-hp (n=paissad@89.87.195.22) joined ##slackware. [06:52] Action: jescis wishes there was a union for computer repair/technicians :\ [06:53] so they could whine more? :) [06:53] phzin (n=Reggae@189.57.19.89) joined ##slackware. [06:53] So I have a better chance at a job :\ [06:54] Guild of Keyboard monkeys [06:54] and get paid a good amount with respect and right to strike ;) [06:54] jescis: having a union wouldn't help you to get a job, it would help you retain it. in the meantime, you gotta compete, like everybody else [06:55] having a union would put you on even less money [06:55] cos dey gotsta get paid too [06:55] There's apparently some kind of union for web designers. [06:55] Ask them how it's going,. [06:55] and if you want better pay, try another career. keyboard monkeys are dime and a dozen [06:56] adam (n=adam@92-235-100-202.cable.ubr08.wals.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:56] yeah, I guess I'm not good enough to be more -_- [06:56] union fees are a bear [06:56] Nick change: adam -> Guest22200 [06:56] Guest22200 (n=adam@92-235-100-202.cable.ubr08.wals.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [06:57] ananke: there is nothing to compete [06:57] if you do have the job..and you dont get paid...you either get another job...or you do something...(im trying to see what that something might be) [06:57] ananke, surely you mean "a dime a dozen". [06:57] Ephedrax_ (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-109-254.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:57] get blackmail material on your boss [06:57] ccfreak2k: you are right, i dont know all the answers [06:57] thats an instant pay raise [06:57] ccfreak2k: thank you, i hardly ever use that expression [06:58] slackytude: i have tons of that... i cannot do that [06:58] The-Croupier: why not? [06:58] The-Croupier: i have no clue what you're talking about [06:58] ananke, take comfort in knowing you used it correctly at least. :) [06:58] i cannot [06:58] oh, he got stuff on you too, eh? [06:59] slackytude: no...not really... [06:59] i just feel bad. [06:59] slackytude, my emplyer is the people, and they want Geek squad over someone with no more then an A+ Cert. :\ [06:59] The-Croupier, what I mean is, you administering it doesn't really demonstrate competence in the material. Why would you get the cert if you didn't even take the test officially yourself? [06:59] ananke: that was going to your "compete like everybody else..." above [06:59] ccfreak2k: i always enjoy the opportunity to get a better grasp at any language [06:59] ah, scruples [06:59] too bad [07:00] The-Croupier: i still have no clue what you mean [07:00] scruples - isn't that money in russia? [07:00] [13:54] jescis: having a union wouldn't help you to get a job, it would help you retain it. in the meantime, you gotta compete, like everybody else [07:00] The-Croupier: i know what i said. i don't know what _you_ said. [07:00] alisonken1noc: i thought it was ruples [07:01] The-Croupier: reread the line :) [07:01] alisonken1noc: maybe i should read the full line ;) sorry [07:02] ananke: i dont understand...what the compete part goes , on what you said... compete where? for what? [07:02] I get told to apply at companies... they don't want me, people also say "start your own bussiness" and individuals don't want to use me. So I'm still stuck with monthly SS checks -_- [07:02] jescis: i cannot use you, since you are far away ... if you were close...im sure i could use you in any way you let me ;) [07:02] Action: The-Croupier hides [07:03] The-Croupier: 'where' is wherever. 'for what' is for a computer technician job, which jescis wants [07:03] jescis: do you have actual work experience? [07:03] yeah..i understand .. but compete with who? do you mean...compete in virtual way..kind of be better than other people? [07:04] wouldn't mind going to grease if The-Croupier or his employer would pay for the move and air fare ;) [07:04] jescis: why dont people want you? you ugly or something? [07:04] Action: The-Croupier is getting really tired..... [07:04] The-Croupier: did you miss the conversation about unions? [07:04] ananke: yes... i read a little but just skimmed really [07:04] 'grease', now that's funny :) [07:04] slackytude, I don't think so ;) [07:04] jescis: then why? [07:05] jescis: i could arange it i suppose ;) [07:05] jescis: but didnt you read above..the pay is not the best [07:06] its enough, but not the best, weather is beautiful [07:06] The-Croupier, better then %630 per month >.> [07:06] mentr (n=Hey@195-240-212-157.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:06] $* [07:07] john_dee (n=id@93-81-119-114.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:10] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.2.7) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:10] How to make a script to mount a flash drive when a run the script? [07:10] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.64.230) joined ##slackware. [07:12] using mount... in a shell script perhaps? [07:13] no help [07:14] adeodatus: put all the commands you usually put in a terminal in a file that starts with !#/bin/bash [07:14] Zordrak: thank you very much! [07:14] ? [07:14] The-Croupier: thank you very much! [07:15] I think if I'd used Linux earlier, the coolest thing would have been becoming a programmer by accident just by using the shell. [07:17] heh [07:17] just used to being grateful to me [07:20] Only if you used csh and tcc with c scripting. [07:20] ccfreak2k: that would be so nice... that requires you know a little bit of c though [07:20] doesnt it? [07:20] ccfreak2k: psh [07:20] It does. [07:20] ccfreak2k: psh shold be wamdatory learning :) [07:21] But it would be programming by using the shell. [07:21] Instead of just scripting. [07:21] *mandatory [07:21] slackytude, because there are more places that are more expencive that can do a better job, since they have more experiance, money for the new hardware, and a store front :\ [07:21] ccfreak2k: or you make c little scripts and still run them through the shell [07:21] scripts/programs [07:22] That wouldn't be "just by using the shell" anymore. :) [07:23] ccfreak2k: that sound like a nice thing to do though... ;) using the shell and programming at the same time ...;) [07:24] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [07:24] jescis: sucks [07:24] slackytude: shhhh dont tell him that [07:25] slackytude, totally... especially since theree's only 20-30,00 people around here :\ [07:25] How to run a script? [07:25] adeodatus: ./sript [07:25] adeodatus: ./script [07:26] thanks [07:26] Or "sh script". [07:26] blackthorne (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) joined ##slackware. [07:26] If the script doesn't have the "magic bytes" to tell your shell to run it using another shell. [07:28] slackytude, I'm good at what I do... If no one wants to give me a job so I can stay up to date and have experiance then it's their fault. [07:29] Staying up-to-date on your own time is for chumps, right? [07:29] Best Buy especially since they do their hiring through a third party >.> [07:30] rd5 (n=rd5@189.111.164.142) joined ##slackware. [07:30] paissad-hp (n=paissad@89.87.195.22) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [07:30] jescis: still no moniez tho [07:31] yeah, that's what makes it really tough ;) [07:31] how long you been on the goverment payroll? [07:31] 64-bit? I can't help because I never used one ;) [07:32] I get Permission denied when i run the script. [07:32] adeodatus: chmod +x it [07:32] slackytude, I can't say... that's how long ;) [07:33] adeodatus, scripts need to be +x for the current user. [07:33] jescis: thats long [07:33] jescis: and what did you do before? [07:34] christian (i=590f93d7@gateway/web/freenode/x-jvmzwjprvebuokst) joined ##slackware. [07:35] adeodatus: You should spend a liitle time on http://www.linux.org/lessons/beginner/toc.html -- It would be very useful to you [07:35] slackytude, I'm only 32... and over three jobs I've had, I never stayed llong enough to make anything >.> [07:36] slackytude, I was born with disabilities, that's why I get SS :\ [07:37] well, consider the bright side [07:37] elderK (n=zk@222-152-88-21.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: [07:37] only 50 years or so and you are death [07:37] I never got hurt on the job for it to be any other reason I'm on it >.> [07:37] yeah, it's working. [07:37] I need another coffee, MS word is driving me mad [07:38] zoran119 (n=zoran@220.233.169.154) joined ##slackware. [07:38] but its the last day of it [07:38] slackytude, I try to ;) [07:38] last days were torture [07:38] jescis: ^-^ [07:38] Zordrak: thanks for the links! [07:39] at least I can walk and live a more normal life then others with what I got can do ;) [07:39] Action: jescis has said it before... [07:40] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:40] I have Cerebral Palsey, Epilepsy, and Bronchial Asthma :\ [07:41] jescis: stbui [07:41] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [07:41] jescis: too bad, you need 4 to win [07:41] Web31337 (n=edK@92.50.174.183.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left irc: "o_0" [07:42] WTF [07:42] just realised wikipedia's slack page has a screenshot labelled slack13 [07:42] and the screenshot is just a KDE desktop [07:42] Aside from computers and video games, I play guitar, sing, and Yodel(western style not swiss alps style) [07:42] it could have been os anything [07:42] web31337 (n=edK@92.50.174.183.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:43] slackytude, which is impressive with what I got ;) [07:43] why would someone yodel voluntary? [07:43] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ednlujgndarsuntc) joined ##slackware. [07:44] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.131) joined ##slackware. [07:44] it's part of certain genres [07:44] Zordrak: not really, it could only be from the upstream KDE cause all distros AFAIK brand it :P [07:44] besides maybe Arch too, dont know about gentoo [07:44] how did that happen? did you just walk down a street and suddenly thought, hey, I should do some yodeling, or what? [07:44] whats that bizzare space icon on the taskbar btw? [07:45] with the green pink & blue bubbles? [07:46] slackytude, nah, I like the old greats that are the root of current music that did so... Jimmy Rogers, Hank Williams, and Roy Acuff. To name a few ;) [07:46] oh [07:46] great, word crashed [07:46] Nick change: hackedhead_ -> hackedhead [07:47] right now, Id rather unemployet as well [07:47] this sucks so much [07:47] slackytude, being from MS that's a feature XD [07:49] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.77.224) joined ##slackware. [07:51] Nick change: AlexElliott_ -> AlexElliott [07:51] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.109) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:55] slackytude, I do more then one genre btw, I say they're : Folk & Western(Old school country), Rock(oldies and such[50's,60's, and 70's]), and without my guitar I do great doing Hip-Hop ;) [07:56] hi alls [07:56] zoran119 (n=zoran@220.233.169.154) left irc: "leaving" [07:56] hi submarine ;) [07:57] get it dive? [07:57] anyone know a simple database app for linux/windows something similar to OO Base but with some good search routines [07:57] dive dive dive [07:57] jescis, or high dive :-) [07:57] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.84.35) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:58] the first :D [07:58] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:58] I need something I can set up for my users to be able to do simple searches and print out results and so far OO doesn't seem to be the easiest way [07:58] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-68-216.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:59] Action: Zordrak has just made a few extremely necessary mods to the slack wikipedia entry [08:00] Arv3n (n=Arv3n@cpe-174-096-175-001.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:01] Arv3n (n=Arv3n@cpe-174-096-175-001.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:04] Zordrak: yeah! [08:04] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [08:05] dive: just put it in a big excel file [08:05] dbasedwhat about MySQL? [08:05] slackytude, so far 2900 records and growing [08:05] spreadsheet would be too slow [08:05] dive, what about MySQL? [08:06] mySql would involve writing a web interfaces [08:06] I agree. just put up a sql db and write some small scripts [08:06] and cba with that [08:07] it doesn't need a web interface... it can be accessed through console too [08:07] gnubien (n=e@16.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:07] they need some sort of windows search function [08:07] unless they're going to just use windows... even then it should be similar :\ [08:08] it's going to be windows+ubuntu [08:09] oh... we're slackware oriented here, could ask better at #ubuntu or ##linux :\ [08:09] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [08:09] dive: there is no easy way out ^-^ [08:10] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:10] I have converted from access to OO and have a form so just need figure a way of searching/printing I guess [08:10] Action: Camarade_Tux pokes dive and slackytude :) [08:10] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [08:10] Action: jescis would stay away from the ubuntu channel though >.> [08:10] yo Camarade_Tux [08:11] heya Camarade_Tux [08:11] Action: Zordrak is gonna have fush and chups for loonch [08:11] Akuma (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:11] firedix (n=firedix@host191.201-252-158.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [08:12] frum the frudge? [08:12] time to make the friday fish buyers suffer for a change [08:12] spook: nooo.. frum thu chuppy [08:12] Action: Camarade_Tux steals Zordrak's chips but not fish [08:12] mentr (n=Hey@195-240-212-157.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:12] too bad they can't use just one OS instead of paying for windows licences >.> [08:12] Camarade_Tux: helps if you wait for me to buy it first [08:13] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:14] Zordrak: :) [08:15] jescis, it's a registered charity so they probably didn't spend much [08:15] Camarade_Tux: is it a hot day for you guys as well? [08:17] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [08:17] toastyto1st (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:18] hi [08:18] toastytoast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. 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[08:20] dive, I still say they should have everyone use freeware or OSs that don't cost(unless you buy a CD of it) :\ [08:22] or have a subscription to slackware [08:23] alisonken1noc, that works too :) [08:25] slackytude: nope, it's ok here [08:25] (although hotter than the days before) [08:26] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.64.230) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:26] although I'd go for ubuntu because, unless you use windows apps that don't work in wine or anyother windows layer application. you can do the same and have it like it is windoze for things like web browsing and the like :\ [08:27] i'd go for SuSE if you're switching from Windows [08:27] I dont care about the charge.. i dont necessarily think everyone should use an OS they can get for free as in beer.. but EVERYONE should be using an OS that is free as in libre. [08:27] or Obgex [08:27] for regular users and slackware for admin ;) [08:27] i think it is [08:27] in latex, anyone know how to align some text to the bottom of the page ? [08:27] (I'll have to print a separated header) [08:28] Zordrak, That would lead to a few problems [08:28] jescis: It should ALL be slackware. Regular usurs should have an Admin that does their admin.. USING slack (without being the admin) is as easy as anything else [08:28] NthDegree: ? [08:28] Zordrak, FLOSS is enterprise-orientated [08:29] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:29] Crap like SELinux gets held above *more secure* solutions like TOMOYO or AppArmour [08:29] Zordrak, sure, but many use ubuntu because it's easy to use and install apps. But you might be more right >.> [08:29] NthDegree: we are so on different topics here [08:30] Zordrak, if everyone used FLOSS there'd be problems for non-geeks [08:30] jescis: my missus is perfectly happy with slackware. I administer it.. she *usus* it [08:30] make them all use LOAF [08:30] and if they loose there floppy then to bad [08:30] toastytoast, DOS days? :P [08:30] toastytoast: http://www.loseloose.com [08:30] Action: NthDegree eats his Disk of The Day :D [08:31] Action: haldir had oatmeal instead [08:31] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [08:31] Zordrak, do you expect all end-users to have admins to maintain their machines? People expect to be able to point-and-click these days [08:31] Zordrak, I think I say ubuntu because my friend can't grasp slack or any other distro... not even debian XD [08:32] NthDegree: everone *does* it's the *family or friend or store geek you go to when you break your machine which is at least every 6 months* [08:32] w/e [08:32] typos [08:32] NthDegree: it would be the same amount of work to properly admin a linux box as it is now to constantly fix and educate on a win box [08:33] Zordrak, I know people who have had XP machines which are up to date via automatic update (which they don't even understand) who have a still-working machine after 5 years [08:33] and it's perfectly usable.. works just fine with Windows Firewall + AVG [08:33] NthDegree: because they dont play around with it... if it were slack it would be the same story [08:34] BUT.. someone could easily remotely admin it if necessary without the user even needing to see itn [08:34] yes, but in the case of Slack they'd need to "play around" just to get software installed [08:34] anything not in the base system they'd need to slackbuild [08:34] no they wouldnt [08:34] those users never installed it in the first place.. it was installed by the OEM for them [08:34] ESPECIAL?LY on laptops [08:35] Zordrak, and extra software? [08:35] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:35] sbopkg [08:35] more places should ofer linux on lapytops [08:35] Zordrak, which OEMs wouldn't support due to inconsistency [08:35] i should make a store that specializes in linux on laptops [08:35] but the ones that *just work* 5 years later are the ones that never get any extra software [08:35] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:35] NthDegree: no.. the admin can do it.... [08:36] "scuse me can I have software X?" 2sure.. it added it while we were talking" [08:36] my moms computer still "works" but its had a major slowdown over 5 years [08:36] "thanks.. heres £1.50 [08:36] Zordrak, not quite.. Age of Empires 2, Quake 3 Arena, Unreal Tournament, Nero Burning ROM, X-Setup etc... don't come with PCs :P [08:36] toastytoast: because the windows registry is inherent bad design [08:36] NthDegree: admin job [08:37] Zordrak, why? The user installed and maintained these apps just fine :| [08:37] NthDegree: when properlf configured you could add that shit cheaper than the apple store wouldd [08:37] and users would enjoy not having to do a damn thing [08:38] AND.. my original point was most relevant for work machines rather than play machines [08:38] Insert CD -> Install -> Continue, Express Setup, Continue -> Play (AOE2 setup procedure) [08:38] cause proper home playmachines need win for shit like GTA:IV anyway [08:38] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [08:38] _AnywhereIs_ (n=edK@92.50.174.183.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left irc: "is my life seem to go down forever? :D" [08:38] Work machines use Windows due to centralised policy [08:39] NthDegree: if the company has that policy [08:39] but its easier to admin and secure desktop linux than windows [08:39] and in a corp environment.. you join the company and learn the system.. no matter what it is [08:39] and it ends up cheaper, simpler and more efficient [08:39] my company just rolled out about 1000 new laptops. they put xp on them [08:40] the silicon engineers downstairs just dont need me to do anything cos they run linux... the windows users break shit weekly [08:40] they shoudl have put slackware on them [08:40] haldir, you asked them why? [08:41] some of them still run Fedora Core 3... because it still just works.. i want to change them.. but theres no need or reason.. i can only do it if theres a reason to [08:41] no, it is obvious. they have too much software customized for them (databases and such) [08:41] but there aint.. it s-till just works [08:42] if they were on windows those machines would be due their second re-install by now [08:42] Admin should not be userland. [08:42] Zordrak, only because most Windows users just "don't understand" :P [08:42] Use should be userland. Admin is for the administrator. [08:42] don't understand and don't want to [08:42] all we need to do is monetise administration on the apple scale. [08:43] Now, how does one change a setting that affects the network as a whole on Linux, with regards to being able to open a command prompt or use a terminal? [08:43] we allow no sotware to be installed. no internet connection that isn't trhough their proxy [08:43] simple tasks are done quickly and the user is happy to pafy a pound or two to have it done [08:43] How does one (without SELinux) maintain a single MAC policy across a whole massive network? [08:43] rather than let them fuck it up royally and then charge 30 quid to reinstall it for them [08:44] well if windows keeps getting sead for patent infringement and haveing to cough up 290,000,000 i'm not sure how long htey'll last [08:44] unless the opensource windows [08:44] toastytoast: forever so long as PC gaming requires windows and companies standardise on Exchange and Office [08:44] The 30 quid charge is a laughable joke. OEMs provide media to restore the OS via automated zero-fill, reformat, reinstall methods [08:44] at which point i forsee it vastly improving [08:44] [Kairos] (n=Kairos@unaffiliated/kairos) left irc: "Leaving" [08:45] Zordrak, Office is dying I think... 2007 was a royal fuckup [08:45] which is stuped it has been proven on windows Opengl is a better than directx [08:45] NthDegree: but the user is scared theyll lose their data and want the problem solving if possible so in the end you end up doing it for them anyway [08:45] theory and practice just never meet [08:45] so once companies stop codeing everything for directx things will get better [08:45] which is why expecting users to be their own admins is a level one fail [08:46] toastytoast: opengl ftw [08:46] lunch [08:46] i should also make a company that make super highend games that won't run on windows [08:46] well i would prolly make for both [08:46] jsut becasue i'm not that much of a douchebag [08:47] Arv3n (n=Arv3n@174.96.175.1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:48] not exactly a lot of pc gamers now either [08:48] ngworekara, it's gone the other way [08:48] there's more PC games than ever now [08:48] toastytoast: flight simulator used by the navy and air force :) [08:48] due to the screwups that are the PS3 and 360 [08:48] I just asked because other then having propriatary software(which I don't get neither) I don't get why windows over a more stable OS like Linux :\ [08:48] if you cut out the mmo market, at least in my experience, most people prefer consoles [08:48] i don't think the 360 is so bad [08:48] jescis: central management. ad. availability of business software. [08:49] jescis, Linux is less stable than any other OS pretty much... it doesn't crash as often as other OSes but far more is changed in a short period than any other :| [08:49] jescis, try running DOOM binaries on the latest kernel with latest userland on x86_64 [08:49] just look at the lifespan of windows xp [08:49] NthDegree, but it is more stable because of those people. [08:50] i don't think that makes linux unstable jsut ever evolving [08:50] jescis, stability != reliability... Linux is reliable but NOT stable [08:50] mel_ (i=1000@117.255.76.35) joined ##slackware. [08:50] considering I still have a server running slackware 8.0, I'd say it's pretty stable :) [08:50] That is why businesses do not use it, it changes too much too often [08:50] jescis: you're confusing the terms. stability is something else [08:50] which is what would happen to windows and mac if they were opensources [08:51] you're assuming that they upgrade with every kernel Nth and that wouldn't just be a pain but for most places would be a bad idea [08:51] alisonken1noc: and slackware 8.0 is no longer maintained [08:51] windows 200 is no longer maintained [08:51] 2000* [08:51] toastytoast: indeed. but that wasn't used as an example [08:52] no no it wasn't [08:52] not to mention that its lifespan was quite long in comparison to the linux world [08:52] ngworekara, they do upgrade the kernel though... there's only one distro which totally avoids ABI changes and people crap on it because they think it's "too old" and it's called Debian [08:52] lol I was going to use debian as my big master example [08:52] with enterprise distros you get 5 year lifespan, sometime 7 [08:53] i'm still usieng slackware 1 >.> [08:53] notrlly but i owuld if i would find it [08:53] jsut out of curiosty [08:53] toastytoast, archives.kernel.org [08:53] I have debian on my laptops cause I don't care enough about them to put slackware on and maintain it, but they have run perfectly and exactly the same since the day Lenny came out [08:53] toastytoast, All the "old" distros are being collected [08:54] neet [08:54] ngworekara: I run slackware on my laptops _because_ I don't want to maintain them :) [08:54] err I mean http://archive.kernel.org/ [08:54] XD [08:55] Debian is a big maintenance nightmare compared to Slackware [08:55] NthDegree: neat. i'm glad this project was put in place [08:56] saying neat with 2 e makes it cooler [08:56] NthDegree, so is ubuntu more so ;) [08:56] i have no issues with debian except i would prefer if they were less patch-happy [08:56] Nick change: christian -> Guest14324 [08:57] somebody should mention this site to pat, and maybe he could dig out earlier release of slack [08:57] i used debain before it worked alright until i tried uninstalling someting with apt-get [08:57] we;ll synaptics [08:58] toastytoast, ever used ubuntu? [08:58] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [08:58] yes [08:58] I wish I could remember what my first slack was. it came with a book on linux which shows how long ago it was, pretty sure slack isn't shipping with any mainstream producers these days [08:58] it didn't break itself like debian did [08:58] or atleast not when i used it [08:59] maybe thats cuz it knew better [08:59] akin to "Slackware Unleashed" or therebaouts? [08:59] ngworekara: SLS95 [08:59] toastytoast, it's considered the closest you can make linux represent windoze ;) [09:00] wow ty :) [09:00] i still say Xandros is [09:00] or Obgex [09:00] Soft Landing Systems release 1995 <-- precursor to Slackware [09:00] Xandros? [09:00] My pet peeves with Debian are: * Complexity of packaging; * Breaks the standard usage methods of upstream; * Lack of MAC support (SELinux sucks on Debian, no TOMOYO support etc.); * Accepting unstable components in a stable release (NILFS2) :P [09:01] Linux XP is closer to representing Windows methinks [09:01] how are .deb complex? [09:01] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:01] mancha: having to figure out _proper_ dependencies :) [09:01] mancha, all the unnecessary bits like "Recommended: ", "Suggested: " etc. [09:02] Something is either a dependency, or it isn't and if it isn't it's irrelevant [09:02] http://www.xandros.com/ [09:02] toastytoast, it's unmaintained :| [09:02] you actually have to pay for it thats how much it is liek windows [09:02] sometimes there are things not stricly a dependency,ie it'll compile w/o but say won't allow quicktime .mov playing. [09:02] no new updates since mid-2007 [09:02] I tested it [09:03] how do you specify these "optional" non-dependicies? [09:03] jescis: the sooner you can stop saying 'windoze', the faster you'll get a job :) [09:03] usually with ./configure [09:03] mancha, you don't... [09:03] Things have been developed to fix that problem [09:04] When you don't have enough privs then PolicyKit steps in. When you don't have a package for an optional extra PackageKit steps in.... [09:04] ok, i think i misunderstood you. i thought you meant you didn't like that they mentioned you could optionally add blah and bleh for addt'l support to package xyz [09:05] ananke, ah, so I must like or put up with my enimy to succeed ;) [09:05] mancha, I don't like all the extra unnecessary fields and such. Especially when fundamentals like multi-arch support are missing :P [09:06] Nthdegree, what is broken in selinux, is it that not all userland commands have been mac'ified or that the default ruleset is not to your liking? [09:06] toastytoast, at least dream linux is more Mac OS like ;) [09:06] neve used it [09:06] jescis: it's not about liking. it's about not being opposed to using or learning those products when you interview. last thing you want to do during an interview is to openly express your hatred for microsoft [09:06] but i think xandros is based off lindows [09:06] which I like more than microsoft things ;) [09:07] mancha, both, many Debian packages break by default and the policy doesn't even give correct labels to things like GDM to offer correct transitions [09:07] jescis: while there is a small chance it would be accepted by the people who interview you, more likely you're not going to get the job [09:07] hhmmm [09:07] hrmmm, that doesn't sound too good. never played with selinux on debian [09:09] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.231.5) joined ##slackware. [09:09] so anyone here ev er used lindows? [09:09] oh and Debian doesn't commit to maintaining packages either [09:09] They made IceWeasel and don't guarantee they'll be able to backport security fixes [09:09] toastytoast, I saw a box in a computer store back in the day ;) [09:09] omnipotentduo (n=omnipote@144.162.231.5) joined ##slackware. [09:10] i think that wasa good idea that turned out to be the worse thing ever [09:10] omnipotentduo (n=omnipote@unaffiliated/omnipotentduo) left irc: Client Quit [09:10] Nth, are you sure selinux is broken because i am sure i'd have seen a lot more complain chatter on lists i subscribe to [09:11] toastytoast, according to "The Linux Bible 2007 edition" lindows became linspire :\ [09:11] then linspire merged with xandros i think [09:12] mancha, it is as far as "install and use" went when I last tried it [09:12] maybe *shrugs* [09:12] in 08 [09:12] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [09:12] xandros "aquired" linspire [09:12] I even tried fixfiles and such, but everything still ran as gdm_t (or whatever the label for GDM was) with no transition [09:12] dimmerbold (i=dimbold@masterarms.net) joined ##slackware. [09:12] toastytoast, freespire is still around [09:13] Fush and chups are here. But i've pre-empted Camarade_Tux with automated laser turrets running slackware [09:13] they prolly broke off from linspire before or after thay got aquired by xandros [09:13] Nope [09:13] Action: toastytoast shrugs [09:14] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:14] Xandros wants to keep Freespire as community-maintained [09:14] i see [09:15] i wonder why xandrois raised there price tho [09:15] last time i looke it was only 60 [09:15] now its 100 [09:15] SpacePlod: ping [09:15] is that still the os for e^3pc? [09:15] mancha, I hope not [09:15] slackytu1e (n=icke@p4FD89CC8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:16] Xandros has had no updates since mid 2007 [09:16] or at least that is what I experienced trying an evaluation [09:16] there was 2 updates available and that was it [09:16] (one was a firefox minor version update) [09:17] toastytoast, according to xandros.com's about page it from Corel Linux based off of debian >.> [09:17] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-61-201-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:17] what do linux e^3pc' ship with now? [09:17] so they haven't upgraded anything but raised the price? [09:18] seems liek a bad move [09:19] toastytoast, hehe that reminds me of the Ghostbusters game being made for the NES. Turning out to be a port of the atari 2600 version reprogrammed and repackaged XD [09:19] Well Xandros has cool extras [09:19] mornin all [09:19] like Xandros Security Suite [09:19] and it comes with CrossOver [09:20] btw I like the look of DreamLinux [09:20] jescis: have you played the newest Ghostbusters game? [09:20] NthDegree, same here :) [09:20] jescis, ghostbusters as in the one where you buy stuff then go up loads of stairs? [09:20] agentc0re, no [09:20] err I mean [09:21] jescis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4usP1V8n8xQ [09:21] buy stuff, catch ghosts to buy better stuff, get a message to say you can go in the zuul building and then climb lots of stairs? [09:21] i still wouldn't buy xandros i might try it if someone had a copy lieing around but 100$ for linux [09:21] NthDegree, basically, the AVGN did a reveiw of it ;) [09:21] jescis, yeah.. i'm an AVGN fanboy :$ [09:22] jescis: lol, thats the link i gave you but for the 360 version. [09:22] AVGN rules. [09:22] the best games have already been made [09:22] I like both him and irategamer(though I hate that he pulled a Bill Gates ;) ) [09:22] that's because you can't have a "best" until it's made. [09:22] peggle, Warcraft 3, Worms World Party [09:23] Leisure suit Larry! [09:23] SHIT YEAH!! [09:23] Sonic? :D [09:23] had it for the amiga! [09:23] LSL pwns- [09:23] Phantasy Star on the Dreamcast. Typing of the Dead! [09:23] pong [09:23] (not the new ones.. fsck the new ones) [09:23] Captain keen ;) [09:23] Ken sent me :D [09:23] i liked the remake or psoep12 for gamecube [09:23] LORD [09:24] s/LORD/L.O.R.D(it is a game) [09:24] FF123789 [09:24] ff7 = best [09:24] nah [09:24] FF9837 was the best [09:24] i liek ff7 and ff8 equally [09:24] toastytoast, 2&3 j or U? [09:24] Secret of mana [09:25] i've not played the japanese vcersion [09:26] ifthats waht you meant with the j and u [09:26] Jedi Knight 1&2 [09:26] toastytoast, so you now mean IV and VI ;) [09:26] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89D67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:26] Doom3 [09:27] yeaop! [09:27] quake123 (4 was okay...) [09:27] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:27] agentc0re: just reinstalled doom3 two days ago [09:27] well i was talking about fforigins disk for ps1 came with 1 and 2 3 i think my friend actually had on an emulator but it was a hacked version as it was so it was english [09:27] Castle Wolfenstein [09:27] Zordrak: nice! [09:27] 7.1 surrounh doom3 in the dark is insane! [09:27] Zordrak: LOL, i bet. [09:27] children whispering in the corner of your ears.. [09:27] its harsh [09:28] toastytoast, ok that clears it up more :) [09:29] Apple Invaders ;) [09:29] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-61-201-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:29] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: "leaving" [09:30] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:31] oh, Samurai Showdown ;) [09:31] Savage, that was a freaking awesome game. [09:32] savage2 is pretty good [09:32] it's alright. [09:32] savage was simple... but unbalanced. I wish they would have fixed it more. [09:32] Action: jescis liked the cheap cheractor with the chain sicle in Samurai Showdown >.> [09:32] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [09:33] savage2 has too much to offer, and i personally don't like that. It's cool... but it's just WAY to much. [09:33] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [09:33] cod4 wa pretty awesome tho...smetiems- a new game can be good.. but not often .. there used to be awesome games out all the time [09:34] ravigehlot (n=ra935443@node37.natpool3.outside.ucf.edu) joined ##slackware. [09:34] Magaman/Rockman 12345679 [09:35] 8 was too >.< [09:36] "Slide, slide... jump, jump" shut up :( [09:36] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [09:36] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.70.84) joined ##slackware. [09:37] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.70.84) left irc: Client Quit [09:37] PC megaman games sucked too :\ [09:38] Ninja Gaiden [09:38] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-234.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:39] Action: jescis has Ninja Gaiden for PC EGA/CGA DOS 2.x ;D [09:39] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [09:40] where hell are all the mericans [09:40] its too quiet in here [09:41] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:41] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-68-216.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [09:41] lol, mericans. that's great. [09:41] tsomi (n=tsomi@91-164-27-220.rev.libertysurf.net) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Action: Dominian is here [09:42] just.. "idle" [09:43] Im finally finished [09:43] thank god [09:43] Action: alisonken1noc too [09:44] Dominian: and hungover? ;) [09:44] slackytu1e, not slackytude, huh? [09:44] agentc0re: nah [09:44] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:44] lol slackytu1e... i read it as, slackytool. :P [09:44] you're such a tool. [09:44] XD lol [09:45] Nick change: slackytu1e -> slackytude [09:45] alisonken1noc: huh? [09:46] am not a tool :( [09:46] slackytude: well, I guess there's slackytude and slackytu1e [09:46] well, except for me boss [09:46] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.70.84) joined ##slackware. [09:46] bored [09:47] alisonken1noc: bah, I dont care, Im finally done with the fucking documentation [09:47] :) [09:47] Zordrak, you don't look like a board to me ;) [09:47] bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored bored [09:47] not enough time to start anything [09:47] Zordrak: go write a script or something [09:47] my rmaed sorver is due back tmrw and thats a major job starting [09:47] all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy:) [09:47] Action: jescis tries to use a saw on Zordrak [09:48] jescis: it was a bad pun the first time [09:48] Zordrak, oh all right -_- [09:49] Action: jescis thought it was funny >.> [09:49] that says more aboutyou than it doe me [09:49] *does [09:49] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:49] Zordrak, what does it say? [09:50] okay, someone help me with this. my wireless logitech dinovo keyboard wasn't working and i just put fresh batteries in it yesterday. so i open the battery compartment, slide out 3 batteries. i go to slide out the 3rd, and the end of it is covered in a clear *slime* [09:50] amazon10x: its just marketing material for the new ghostbusters game [09:50] logitech are advertising wholes :) [09:50] *whores [09:50] the fluid seems viscuous [09:50] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:52] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [09:52] can anyone tell me what the heck this is? [09:52] the battery leaked it sounds like [09:53] do batteries leak clear stuff? [09:53] battry liquid is highly corrosive, try to get inside and clean out any gook that got on the bettery terminals [09:53] yeah, sounds like battery juice [09:53] wth [09:54] the battery slot is super small [09:54] and slides back into the case [09:54] so cleaning this is going to be hard [09:54] is calling up duracell and yelling at them until they replace it a good idea? [09:55] amazon10x: best plan: clean up.. go to bed.. get up.. go to work.. go to bed, repeat [09:55] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.131) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:55] getting it fully cleaned off the contact that's receded back into the keyboard is going to be impossible [09:55] if there's some left over will it affect anything? [09:55] maydayjay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:56] it'll continue eating away at anythingin its path until your ESC key explodes [09:56] amazon10x, battery acids are highly corrosive and can (severely) damage electronic components. [09:57] darnit [09:57] but if it wasn't working and you just switched batteries, could it have been the last batch that leaked? [09:58] john_dee (n=id@93-81-119-114.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [09:58] amazon10x: clean it out the best you can and hope for the best :D [09:58] omnipotentduo (n=omnipote@unaffiliated/omnipotentduo) joined ##slackware. [09:59] darint [09:59] amazon10x, somehow (maybe by using absorbing paper), get rid of the liquid. Once dry, sray with a component cleaning spray, and wait untill dry. [10:01] woah [10:01] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [10:01] i just shoved some toilet paper down into it [10:02] and there's a bunch of metallic bits in it too [10:02] ooooo [10:02] http://fsffrance.org/news/article2009[09[22.en.html [10:02] http://fsffrance.org/news/article2009-09-22.en.html [10:04] ElvisPresley (n=ElvisPre@201.22.39.37.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:04] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [10:05] calling duracell now. very doubtful they're going to give me the $100 check i need to replace this [10:05] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [10:06] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-uigrfoqzbetcxvvh) left irc: "Page closed" [10:09] dude [10:11] nepenthe (n=ville@YYKMMV.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [10:11] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@adsl-249-250-180.bna.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [10:11] I have installed Slackware 13.0. I am not happy with KDE and other window managers, so I think I will settle with XFce. [10:11] Pshhh, there is no settling to be had with XFce :) [10:12] there is kde3 available for slackware 13 [10:12] thrice`, how difficult is it to setup a network boot to install slackware 13, ever done it? [10:13] Cryp71c: piss easy [10:13] dude! just go buy a $5 8gb usbdrive. [10:13] lol agent [10:13] KDE seems to be extremely slow in loading. [10:13] thats cause KDE is as big as my house. [10:13] Its huge [10:13] faster than a fresh winxp [10:13] lol [10:14] Hey now, that depends which SP your fresh install was under :P [10:14] they all blow [10:14] agentc0re, I already ordered a thumbdrive from newegg, but I'd still like to setup my netbook. [10:14] Cryp71c: just follow the readme [10:14] its extrewely easy [10:14] And apparently - after hacking my Ipod shuffle to perform like a standard usb device, I still couldnt' boot to it =\ [10:15] Zordrak, there's a readme for network booting? [10:15] if you put your source in /mirror/slackware/slackware-13.0 you can just copy and paste commands out of the guide [10:15] yeah [10:15] woah [10:15] guys [10:15] its in the install media [10:15] i just called duracell [10:15] a coupon is in the mail [10:16] along with a $100 check to replace the keyboard [10:16] How do I change the screen resolution for X to 800*600? [10:16] usb-and-pxe-installers or something like that [10:16] too tired to remember verbatim [10:16] amazon10x: Well, stop surfing porn and you'll be good to go [10:16] haha [10:16] amazon, thats what i call very good customer relations. hope they secured your loyalty now [10:16] ravigehlot (n=ra935443@node37.natpool3.outside.ucf.edu) left ##slackware. [10:16] Dominian: no lie, when i first saw the fluid i was like "wth, did one of my roommates pleasure themselves in the battery compartment?" [10:16] yay bitlbee. [10:16] Zordrak, hrm, how to get the source onto the netbook though... [10:16] amazon10x: dont they want some kind of proof?] [10:16] mel does xrandr show that resolution? [10:16] mancha: i'm seriously shocked right now. i'm going to preach duracell to the whole world now [10:17] Cryp71c: uhh you dont [10:17] Cryp71c: you install via NFS [10:17] amazon10x: O_O WOW. [10:17] Zordrak: i would think but they don't! i asked if they wanted the broken batteries back but they just had me read the barcode off the back [10:17] i need to call them more often... Your shit, broke my shit. Buy me a new car. [10:17] so they can forward it to their QA dept [10:17] tell them the kayboard was an Optimus Maximus..... [10:18] hahaha [10:18] i was thinking about it. when she asked the price i had to look online and i was thinking "hmm, maybe if i told her i had this next model up..." [10:18] but my ethics got the best of me [10:18] i caont belive OM is still over a grand [10:18] i did quote her the msrp for the keyboard though, which is $100 even though i got some sick deal with a rebate for only $20 [10:19] amazon, this works as long as people don't try to abuse the system, then i'll get f*cked for all [10:19] *it'll [10:19] mancha: yeah, although it's tempting to try to scam them, i never would. i'm sure someone will eventually though [10:19] amazon10x: hahaha [10:19] there's probably a trigger in place at some dollar amount where they further review things. if i said it broke my $12000 camera they probably would have been more hesitant to start mailing money around [10:20] ooooooo [10:20] Tactus keyboard... [10:20] i did read a story online about a woman who had duracell battery acid melt through her expensive carpet, and they had her send in the battery for inspection and deemed that it was her fault [10:21] Nick change: chipster_ -> chpster [10:21] Nick change: chpster -> chipster [10:22] gbowden (n=gbowden@180.Red-81-44-122.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [10:22] i love it when spam artists send me email from myself. i'm really gonna be tricked into opening "PhD for $5" when i am the From field [10:22] mancha: they're branking on the people who believe in time travel [10:24] mancha: i know that google for a fact blocks anything thats from yourself, to yourself. [10:24] i mean, if you travelled to the future, wouldn't your #1 priority be to give yourself directions on how to get an academic degree? [10:24] spook,, thats a good filter, then again they also read all your email [10:24] foo [10:24] spook: except things that are literally from yourself to yourself [10:24] bar [10:24] spf + valid helo checks [10:24] who thinks WD40 would be safe to use to degrime a laptop? hands up [10:25] UB40 maybe... [10:25] red red wine [10:25] Ivory Madonna! [10:25] you make me feel so fine [10:25] wait.... that was INXS? [10:25] bah [10:25] amazon10x: no those get picked up too. [10:25] spook: you sure? i send emails to myself occasionally and they make it through. haven't done it for a couple months or so though [10:26] omnipotentduo (n=omnipote@unaffiliated/omnipotentduo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:26] e01_ (n=e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [10:26] amazon10x: yes those are, but for example, to a mailing list. [10:26] but seriously if I take out the battery and hdd/optical and other peripherals and give it a good spray and leave to dry for 30mins, I'm guessing it wouldn't cause any problems? [10:26] spook: ohhh i see what you're saying [10:26] just wondering if anyone might be able to testify [10:27] theblackbox: could go either way [10:27] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [10:27] theblackbox: i can testify that i washed my keyboard in the dishwasher and after drying for a week, it worked fine [10:27] e01_ (n=e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left ##slackware. [10:27] gbowden (n=gbowden@180.Red-81-44-122.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:27] it was a model m though. not sure if it's possible to break them [10:27] ha! but it's a lappy, not a LOT of difference but enough to make me tentative [10:28] ienh (n=ienh@rennes.elikya.com) left irc: "leaving" [10:28] theblackbox: what kind of laptop [10:28] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.150.51) joined ##slackware. [10:28] sony vaio [10:28] hi [10:29] or however the hell it's spelt [10:29] well i'm off to the bike store to test drive some road bikes [10:31] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-179-224-208.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:31] hello friends [10:32] How do I (permantly) change the screen resolution for XFce to 800*600? It lasts only for the current session. [10:34] Necrosporus (n=Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [10:34] mel_, try to change on shell with xorgconfig [10:35] Hm [10:35] Why does your message higlights me? [10:36] Urchlay, I upgraded [10:36] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0"). [10:36] But my sound doesn't work now [10:36] ElvisPresley, xorgconfig does not seem to work for me: "command not found". xorgsetup works though, and I have used it. [10:37] let me see here [10:37] xorgconfig [10:39] wrodrigues (n=wrodrigu@124.124.229.181) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [10:39] tsomi (n=tsomi@91-164-27-220.rev.libertysurf.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.3" [10:39] or X -configure [10:40] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [10:40] blackthorne (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) left irc: Client Quit [10:42] wrodrigues (n=wrodrigu@124.124.229.181) joined ##slackware. [10:42] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.230) joined ##slackware. [10:45] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:47] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: Success [10:47] sorry mel_ i was on the phone [10:48] toastytoast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:51] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. 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[10:58] its only disabled due to patents [10:58] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:58] but says you can compile with the use patent yes option [10:59] who says [10:59] the script [10:59] # If you have licenses to use the code, and/or the patents do not apply in [10:59] # your region, and you take all legal responsibility, you may wish to build [10:59] # MPlayer with the option USE_PATENTS=YES which will include potentially [10:59] Channel flood from Scuzz -- kicking [10:59] # patent-encumbered code. [10:59] Scuzz kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [10:59] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@24.57.84.192) joined ##slackware. [10:59] Mplayer builds fine for me with USE_PATENTS [10:59] i should of seen that coming [11:00] Scuzz: how clean is your install? [11:00] fresh install as of an hour ago [11:01] toastytoast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. 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[11:03] blue something [11:03] yes [11:03] Blue-1.7.tar.bz2 [11:04] was i supoose to edit the script to show USE_PATENTS="YES" [11:04] or was i jsut suppose to pass it after the Mplayer.Slackbuild [11:04] adupuis_ (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:05] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:05] wait [11:05] you need licences to run mplayer? [11:05] only to watch encrypted dvds [11:06] witch is almost every dvd [11:06] i see [11:06] Scuzz: first off, which line did you modify? [11:06] couldn't you ue vlc? [11:06] Action: mag0o wonders if Scuzz is the Scuzz he knows [11:06] it should have been this line USE_PATENTS=${USE_PATENTS:-"NO"} [11:06] second, you don't need to modify it, you can pass it to the script [11:06] line 87 of the slackbuild [11:07] ahh [11:07] maybe thats my issue [11:07] ill try it again [11:07] hahah [11:07] yes mag0o [11:07] :) [11:08] how you been [11:08] good, fancy seeing you here [11:08] well with you gone [11:08] i need to find my own aswers now [11:08] hahah [11:08] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:08] im impressed to see you're still using slack [11:08] i cant use anything but now [11:08] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [11:09] heh [11:09] try running ubuntu with vdr and the thing crashes while taking updates all the time [11:09] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [11:09] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:09] k let me see if i can get this going now [11:14] pi31415 (n=bcollver@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [11:14] hrm [11:14] same issue [11:15] I thought it was an interesting article on slashdot where Linus admitted that Linux was bloated [11:16] It makes sense that it would be a consequence of trying to please everyone. [11:16] Guest14324 (i=590f93d7@gateway/web/freenode/x-jvmzwjprvebuokst) left ##slackware. [11:17] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Success [11:17] xsamurai (n=munki@pool-71-106-233-110.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:25] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:26] ##slackware: mode change '+b %Casandrax!*@*' by irc.freenode.net [11:26] pi31415: well i would say,microkernel is better [11:26] ##slackware: mode change '-b %Casandrax!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [11:27] look at Linux now ? Andrew S Tane... preforcasted this before [11:27] mentr (n=Hey@195-240-212-157.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:28] marchhare (n=marchhar@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:28] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:29] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89CC8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:29] mel_ (i=1000@117.255.74.211) joined ##slackware. [11:30] init[1]: What do you think is the best example of microkernel success? [11:30] Moral is "More code means more bugs" :) which would affect the reliablity [11:31] As I understand it, both Mac OS X and Windows have deviated from a pure microkernel architecture [11:31] init[1]: Linus said that Linux is more bloated, but still just as stable [11:32] pi31415: see,we have to either sacrifice performance for reliablity, just imagine the status of kenrel LOC by 2020 [11:32] stable,yes i do agree [11:32] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [11:32] pi31415: i think Minix 3 has good future , [11:33] QNX does well for itself, in it's niche. [11:33] [11:33] I was not pleased when I tried Minix 3 in 2006 [11:33] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [11:33] blackthorne (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) joined ##slackware. [11:33] since presently Minix 3 is not of interest of industry it may lagg what you would expect [11:33] pi31415: try out 3.1.4a [11:33] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.84.35) joined ##slackware. [11:33] i guess verson string is correct [11:33] I tried to run GCC and it failed out of the box because it ran out of memory [11:34] in fact, many programs failed that way [11:34] pi31415: minix3 != linx [11:34] i was also able to crash the system too easily, but i do not remember how [11:34] minix3 priority is not presently like of linux [11:35] its a research OS, and good enough now [11:35] 2006 was loog back [11:35] the minix 3 home page talked about extreme reliability, so it surprised me that it crashed easier than Linux [11:35] pi31415: i suggest you to try out the present verson if you have time [11:36] pi31415: don't expect hifi stuff from minix 3 [11:37] pi31415: if you don't mind you can go through this one http://ssh.shellium.org/~buffer/Redesigning-UNIX.pdf [11:37] I would expect minix to run a thermostat, HVAC, or something like that [11:38] in the meanwhile, Linux will run fun stuff like Google Android [11:38] pi31415: yes it will , [11:38] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-72-22.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:38] and many of the ebook readers [11:39] pi31415: cmon , see i said right, the optimization and other stuff are n't thier priority now ,i can only see a good future for minix 3 [11:39] pi31415: that is my seminar presentation on Redesiging UNIX not an ebook kind [11:40] vrisplov (n=vrisplov@Access.Denied.uk.to) left irc: "changing servers" [11:40] mornin [11:40] vrisplov (n=vrisplov@84-16-234-96.internetserviceteam.com) joined ##slackware. [11:40] Quiznos: :) [11:41] hi [11:41] is that pdf on your main page? [11:41] you owe a royalty for using that name :) [11:42] Quiznos: well that is a name i adapted from the paper from minix site "Reorganizing unix" [11:42] heh; case is significant [11:42] ty for the pdf [11:43] i like that threat at the front foor [11:43] door [11:43] [,]/, /g [11:44] Quiznos: :) btw that is released under Creative Commons :) by me ;P [11:44] ok [11:44] i'll convert it to html eventually :) [11:44] heh [11:44] and then to text. [11:44] lol [11:46] vrisplov (n=vrisplov@84-16-234-96.internetserviceteam.com) left irc: Client Quit [11:46] Quiznos: well wait and see , :{ [11:46] :) [11:46] for what? [11:47] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:47] Quiznos: for your convertion to html , [11:47] you doing it? [11:48] btw, offer a damn tarball before the "threat" :) [11:48] heh [11:48] like, a state's constitution [11:48] :D [11:49] i need to ##politic[s] [11:54] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [11:55] Padhu (n=Padhu@58.68.26.146) joined ##slackware. [11:57] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@24.57.84.192) left irc: "Leaving" [11:57] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) joined ##slackware. [11:57] theblackerbox (n=sammo@78.146.124.211) joined ##slackware. [11:58] [ in bed ] [11:58] gn [11:58] mel_ (i=1000@117.255.74.211) left ##slackware ("I am tired and exhausted."). 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[12:21] hmmmmm [12:21] question gents - i am compiling busybox on a 64-bit kernel and one of the libraries it is linked to is linux-vdso.so.1 , i cant actually find this lib.. does anyone know what this is ? my google-fu seems to be weak [12:21] anyone have an intel 5100 wireless? [12:22] i think the 12hr battery life alone makes it worth [12:23] Necos: i blv i do [12:23] let me check the laptop [12:24] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:24] Necos: yeah its a 5100 [12:25] what driver are you using? [12:26] Necos: 5000 [12:26] works just fine [12:26] the actual driver name? :P [12:27] from lsmod [12:28] ivenkys it's a pseudo lib, don't worry about it unless you must. [12:32] Nick change: moh2a -> mohaa [12:34] falx1 (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) joined ##slackware. [12:34] Necos: sorry was away , iwlagn [12:39] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:40] oh ok [12:40] hmmm, been a while since i used iwconfig... [12:41] wicd made me lazy [12:42] pwc101 (n=pwc101@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:43] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left ##slackware. [12:44] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@70.16.70.118) joined ##slackware. [12:44] These less than half a mm guitar picks rock [12:45] depends on what you play [12:45] not really [12:45] depends how you play [12:45] i can play with my tongue [12:45] I play a lot of metal with them. they work great for that. [12:45] hehe no pun intended [12:45] it allows you to play faster too [12:46] i'll have to check them out, next time im in the kiddy aisle , really men play with the thickest picks [12:46] it's not the size of your pick.... [12:46] but the motion in the ocean, or something like that [12:46] hahaha [12:46] lol [12:46] that's what she said [12:46] girls lie [12:46] its all about size [12:47] [ in bed ] [12:48] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:48] Padhu (n=Padhu@58.68.26.146) left irc: Client Quit [12:49] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [12:49] ivenkys: linux-vdso.so.1 is a "magic" library, IIRC it's part of the kernel (or anyway, there is no file named that, doesn't need to be) [12:50] >.> [12:50] yes it is part of the kernel [12:50] guitar picks that bend are great for guitar, I'd hate to use one on the bass [12:50] fire|bird... i thought Dominian would do that >.> [12:50] vdso stands for virtual dso [12:50] lol [12:50] heya Necos [12:51] fighting with this wireless card right now :( [12:51] also the vanuatu dental standards organization [12:51] misspwnage (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:51] Necos: having any luck with it? [12:51] trying to use iwconfig by hand, but it's being a bastard [12:52] Necos, seems from (person above) that using the 5000 driver and u-code will do the trick [12:52] Necos: whats the problem? [12:52] oh no, i got it detected, i just can't get it to associate with the AP [12:52] it's hidden SSID with WEP [12:52] hah [12:52] Necos: stealing wifi again [12:52] thats a sure-fire way to keep your network safe, wep+hidden ssid [12:52] for which i have both the SSID and WEP key [12:53] no, it's the way the school district set it up... [12:53] mancha: when your ssid is hidden, I can still see it fine. [12:53] the mac address still shows. [12:53] fatalnix, yes i was being sarcastical. notice i supported wep in there? well guess what, there's a memo out saying wep=donkey crapo [12:53] ekac [12:54] just trying to figure out the proper iwconfig command to do it [12:54] "hidden" in this context means what, it doesn't broadcast a beacon every so many seconds saying "here I am!"? [12:54] iwconfig wlan0 ESSID "me@you" [12:54] i have to go to class but don't celibrate my leaving jsut yet wait till i leave [12:54] lol [12:54] yeah, broadcast is disabled [12:54] toastytoast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) left irc: "leaving" [12:54] it's so we don't get war drivers (not that it'll help) [12:54] but if there's any traffic on the network, the SSID is clearly visible as part of that? [12:55] my wireless-fu is not strong [12:55] and yes sarcastical was also intentional, props to the one who quotes the movie that indirectly alludes to [12:55] yeah, if you wanted in, you could get in [12:55] hidden just means the AP is not setup to broadcast the SSID but as soon as a client associates the SSID is sent in plaintgext [12:55] plaintext [12:55] / [12:55] DeiBellum (n=rwaters@c-98-230-14-7.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:55] right [12:55] +1 for antiwire [12:56] you can also only allow access by mac address [12:56] Necos: still ? [12:56] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.84.35) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:56] thats another loser protection [12:56] i've been using iwconfig wlan0 key s:key essid blah, but it's still not associating [12:56] mac spoofing has been around since the paleolitic era [12:56] radius server FTW [12:56] but you'd have to know which mac to spoof [12:56] this is not a security issue... i have all the stuff to get in... just need to find the proper command :P [12:57] Skywise, it is not that hard [12:57] ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwconfig wlan0 essid "huh" ; iwconfig wlan0 key yourkey ; dhcpcd wlan0 [12:57] if you sniff the packets the mac address is easily found [12:57] its harder then its worth to find some other misconfigured access point [12:57] Skywise: you don't need ot "know" anything... you can see all the associated clients [12:57] antiwire, aircrack? [12:57] Necos the point i was trying to make initially is that wep is weak so they clearly don't care to much about security, "hidden ssid" just breaks dumb implementations (like wicd) and does not add any safety at all [12:57] you don't even need aircrack [12:58] hey i'm the wireless security champion, i'm just saying theres layers you can use to make it not worth while [12:58] mancha, and my point was "it wasn't my config" :) [12:58] yeah, well you can politely point it out to the config owner [12:58] sort of like locking your car door, it keeps the casually curious out, but a serious criminal can pick the lock if he has skills, or heave a brick thru the window if he doesn't [12:59] mandated by the higher-ups (and i've told the engineers before that it's retarded) [12:59] i feel the same way about car security, the object isn't to make your car theif proof, just to make it the least attractive around [12:59] mancha: if the ap is restricted to a mac address list , how do you associate without knowing the proper mac address ? [12:59] my truck's keys are chipped [12:59] Skywise: which is why I drive a piece of crap, never wash it, and leave a bunch of junk inside :) [12:59] <_guitarman_> you just need to make it less attractive than the car its next to ;) kinda like outrunning your friend when a bear is chasing you [12:59] bravo! [12:59] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:59] you sniff everyone else's traffic xsamurai [12:59] xsamurai, i don't want to talk about how to break networks [13:00] Necos: lets say nobody's around [13:00] <_guitarman_> same goes for bikes ... put 2 locks on and have an average bike.. park it next to a nicer one [13:00] no traffic nada [13:00] xsamurai: being associated is not a requirement to sniffing traffic... [13:00] like i said no traffic [13:00] bs [13:00] highly unlikely for APs these days [13:00] rasputin (n=rasputin@213.65.165.227) joined ##slackware. [13:01] its theoretical question [13:01] there are plenty of buggy APs out there [13:01] rasputin (n=rasputin@213.65.165.227) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:01] so the headers on the packets aren't encrypted? [13:01] no [13:01] no [13:01] whats the point in that [13:01] Skywise: generally there's nothing of value in the car, I keep the doors unlocked... but I've known people who leave their doors unlocked, and someone heaves a brick thru the window anyway (never occurs to them to try the door...) [13:02] deco_ (n=deco@69.108.88.254) joined ##slackware. [13:02] because you have to have something unencrypted to statr the session? [13:02] there was a time those crypto locks did the trick then thiefs started carrying around liquid nitrogen (wtf?) [13:02] compressed air will do it, so will freon [13:02] Skywise: the point is that the data (the payload) is encrypted [13:02] if you want better than that use a VPN [13:02] <|alisonken1churc> liquid nitrogen is quicker [13:03] yeah, but only encrypting the payload doesn't secure the network [13:03] compressed air is enoguh to turn it brittle? [13:03] compgenius999 (n=IceChat7@84.70.79.150) joined ##slackware. [13:03] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:03] antiwire: like using plain FTP to transfer 3DES-encrypted files... [13:03] ElvisPresley (n=ElvisPre@201.22.39.37.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [13:03] <_guitarman_> mancha: damned theives [13:03] yeah, you'll get it to freeze pretty quickly [13:03] <_guitarman_> i had 2 bikes stolen ... [13:03] but it turns out you don't even need that [13:03] <_guitarman_> they broke into our storage locker [13:03] I have grub set up with ubuntu 9.04, what would i have to add to menu.lst to boot slackware? [13:03] you can open those cylindrical locks with a pen cap [13:04] you're talking the U-sshaped ones that guarantee your safety? [13:04] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: Success [13:04] yeah [13:04] Skywise: if you want layer 2 encryption use a VPN [13:04] skywise, pics or it didn't happen [13:04] <_guitarman_> mancha: Skywise what kind of lock gives u the best safety [13:04] i'm not so worried about sniffing the traffic, as sniffing the network [13:05] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ednlujgndarsuntc) left irc: [13:05] www.pastebin.ca/1576707 [13:05] a place I used to work did just that (used plain old FTP to xfer 3des-encrypted files)... they never, in 5+ years, changed the FTP login/password, and never changed the encryption key for the files... and those files were in such a standardized format, a cracker would have an easy time cracking the key if he gathered a few gigs of the files... [13:05] mancha, http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2004/09/64987 [13:06] but to them it was "secure" because they weren't knowledgeable enough to understand the threat [13:06] jinjii (n=alpha@93-45-62-182.ip101.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [13:06] the only way to secure a bike is to minimize the opportunity to steal it [13:07] i wouldn't count on high traffic cause no one pays attention [13:07] but being able to keep an eye on it helps [13:07] and keep the time away to a minimum [13:07] then again, it's odd 'cause i'm getting a SIOSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory error [13:07] when i ifconfig wlan0 up [13:07] Skywise: if you ride the bike to the same place every day, work out a deal where you get to park it inside [13:08] sorry for repeating, but i have grub set up with ubuntu 9.04, what would i have to add to menu.lst to boot slackware? [13:08] Urchlay: so it doesnt have to be explicitly linked i presume , many thanks [13:08] Skywise, woah! [13:08] when i rode my bike to work, i kept it in my office [13:08] right [13:08] <_guitarman_> Skywise: i do the same [13:08] that's amazing...a small pen cap, liek a david & goliath story [13:08] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-132-178.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:09] thats the story of security [13:09] <|alisonken1churc> compgenius999: same way you add ubuntu's kernel and root start [13:09] eh, a question though, how do you ride a bike to work and not sweat while doing it? I'd get annoyed if the first thing I did every day was sweat, with no chance to take a shower or change clothes until 5PM or whatever [13:09] people don't have to undo things the way you locked them up [13:09] <|alisonken1churc> only use slackware's info [13:09] yeah, but, i have no idea how to do that |alisonken1churc [13:09] i'd wear clothes to ride in [13:09] change in the men's room [13:09] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-190-91.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [13:09] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-148-55.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:09] so, ummm... yeah... >.<; [13:10] compgenius999: did slackware generate a lilo.conf for you? look for the image=, initrd=, root= lines in there, transliterate to whatever syntax grub uses [13:10] Nick change: |alisonken1churc -> alisonken1home [13:10] Skywise: ah, OK, so you didn't sit all day in sweaty clothes [13:10] this is just annoying me [13:10] comp, if you are using ext4 for slack13 and your grub doesn't speak ext4 (which it probably doesn't) you'll have issues. just an fyi [13:10] i wouldn't mind but others would [13:11] mancha: ubuntu supports ext4 [13:11] besides, you wanna wear something that won't get dirty or caught in your chain [13:11] I'd mind, at least in the last office job I had, the windows were welded shut... even with A/C, I'd still be smelling my own stench all day... [13:11] synapseXI (n=chatzill@41.122.181.200) joined ##slackware. [13:11] or wear those fashioable rubber bands on your pantlegs [13:11] hi room [13:11] hi guy [13:12] i'm fortunate, i don't smell my own stink [13:12] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578BC4.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:12] Skywise: that means what, the inside of your nose is the worst-smelling part of your body? :) [13:12] has anyone been able to get trascode running on slack 13 install [13:12] my gf says i don't stink [13:13] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: Connection timed out [13:13] even when i'm sweaty [13:13] Skywise, try cutting cheese in her face. [13:13] i've heard the japanese are like that [13:13] they don't buy deoderant apparently [13:13] hi to all! i have the following problem in slackware 13: my laptop heats as if the cpu is loaded constantly at 100%. and it is not -- i checked with top. my processor is AMD Sempron Mobile 3100+ and runs at maximum of 1800 Mhz. I got this behaviour in previous versions of Slack, when i used the hugesmp kernel, but after switching to the non smp kernels the problem was gone. However, now, even with the non smp kernels, my la [13:13] ptop does it. any suggestions? [13:13] urchlay nope, i told it to skip lilo as i had grub already installed [13:13] and mancha i have ext4 on my ubuntu [13:14] synapseXI: are you just building from source? Try this, if you haven't already: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/multimedia/transcode/ [13:14] gaaah [13:14] have you tried the generic kernel ? [13:14] compgenius999: including your boot partition? [13:14] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/transcode/ [13:14] yes [13:14] i dont have a boot partition, its on the same partition as my ubuntu [13:14] i tried all of them [13:14] (sorry, need to update my magic search bookmark...) [13:14] Urchlay: i tried the slack build [13:14] sky,have her checked for anosmia [13:14] lol [13:15] im getting the following error durning compile [13:15] jinjii (n=alpha@93-45-62-182.ip101.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. [13:15] configure: error: transcode depends on libz, but cannot links against libz [13:15] thats clearly not verbatim [13:15] i think she just digs my pheromones, i know i like hers [13:15] anyways it tells you what you're missing! [13:16] i hate that about linux, the error messages are you too damn logical! [13:16] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.23.236) joined ##slackware. [13:16] s/you/too [13:16] yeah [13:16] lol libz is installed standard [13:16] users drive me nuts [13:16] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A735FE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:17] is there a command to pause a running program in bash shell? [13:17] synapseXI: the next questoins is "are the library headers installed for libz?" [13:17] user: somethings wrong, my webpage didn't work. me: mind telling me the error? user: it said something failed, i dunno, i didn't look at it. [13:17] synapseXI: there are 2 ways slackware gets libz.so: either from aaa_elflibs, or from zlib... only the latter includes the headers [13:17] libz-dev ? [13:17] yup [13:17] no [13:17] run "ls /var/log/packages/zlib*" [13:17] slackware doesn't distinguish between dev packages and packages [13:17] slackware doesn't have -dev packages, look for /var/log/packages/zlib-* [13:18] the only distinction is binary package or source package [13:18] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:19] did anyone see my pastebin? >.<; [13:19] doesn't he have to install diskset d [13:19] hi thrice`, this was the output /var/log/packages/zlib-1.2.3-i486-2 [13:19] to get all the include files, etc... [13:20] M1ck_ (n=mick@81.64.34.22) joined ##slackware. [13:20] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [13:20] brb [13:21] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.23.236) left irc: "leaving" [13:22] gadafi was speaking at the un this afternoon, and the translators on both cnn and the bbc was terrible [13:22] were [13:22] i'm not sure what their problem was, but it didn't seem like they spoke both languages [13:22] Nick change: g4tt0 -> g4ttux [13:23] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [13:23] Skywise, I oft wonder if many translators know both languages [13:24] yeah, when my mom used to travel, choosing a translator was critical because they become your voice [13:24] I have had problems with translators in my work abroad [13:24] one thing we figured out is to hire your own [13:24] not accept one from your client [13:24] Action: deco_ is happy his fluent in 2 languages [13:24] and if they're inarticulate or unable to convey the spirit of your message, it can make things very bad [13:25] yeah, nothing is worse then getting a lazy unmotivated translator [13:25] M1ck_ (n=mick@81.64.34.22) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:25] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:26] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@70.16.70.118) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:26] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-190-91.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:26] Fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:39] what would i have to add to my ubuntu's grub menu.lst to boot slackware ? [13:39] . [13:39] compgenius999: edit your grub.mnu file (usually located in /boot/grub/grub.mnu [13:39] ) [13:40] ... [13:40] mentr (n=Hey@195-240-212-157.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:40] i dont have a grub.mnu [13:40] i only have menu.lst [13:40] DeiBellum (n=rwaters@c-98-230-14-7.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:41] then look at that [13:41] Nick change: Quiznos -> PurpleSmurf [13:41] you want to "man grub [13:41] im asking, what do i need to add to it? [13:41] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:41] follow the example that's in there for the ubuntu boot setup, only add another section using your slackware information [13:42] plus you might want to "man grub" and look at what it shows for options [13:44] i have no idea what the kernel for slackware is called [13:44] theres like 30 files in /mdeia/disk/boot [13:44] media* [13:44] look in /media/disk/etc/lilo.conf [13:45] SIGSEGV (i=hadriel@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:45] there sint one! [13:45] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:45] isnt* [13:45] anybody got a password manager to recommend... got way to much accounts [13:45] SIGSEGV (i=hadriel@forkbomb.nl) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:45] SIGSEGV (i=hadriel@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:45] what is /media/disk? [13:45] nvision, keepassx [13:46] /media/disk is my slackware partition mounted [13:46] keepassx also works on winblowz iirc [13:46] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@d24-57-84-192.home.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:46] well /media/disk/etc/lilo.conf should exist then [13:46] mancha, keepassx is the linux version of keepass [13:46] no it should [13:46] shouldnt* [13:46] i pressed skip when it came to the part about installing lilo to my hard drive [13:47] ok, don't know read some docs [13:47] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [13:47] slackware isn't a hand-holding distrib, figuring out the kernal names is linux 101 though [13:47] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [13:47] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [13:48] compgenius999: ls -l /media/disk/boot/vmlinuz [13:49] xsamurai (n=munki@pool-71-106-233-110.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [13:49] Akuma (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [13:49] ok found it [13:49] thanks [13:50] SIGSEGV (i=hadriel@forkbomb.nl) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:51] navegante_ (n=navegant@82.158.3.42.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:52] great i got it to boot fine [13:52] ah wait [13:52] Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) [13:53] looks like my slackware is trying to mount the wrong partition [13:53] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A735FE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:54] hey why'd my slackware suddenly go into kernel panic and give out the wrong partition? [13:54] m314 (n=mt@87.63.32.249) joined ##slackware. [13:54] compgenius999: do you have a grub installed that does not support ext4? The default filesystem when you install Slackware is ext4 [13:54] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A735FE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:54] yeah [13:54] i have grub [13:55] but ubuntu is on ext4 [13:55] and it boots fine through grub [13:55] compgenius999: next time, let Slackware install lilo to the root partition (not the MBR) and then tell your GRUB to chainload that lilo [13:55] SIGBUS (i=hadriel@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:55] i think its kinda slackwares fault [13:56] slackware booted half way, then gave a kernel panic for 0,0 but it should be 0,2 o.O [13:57] [maleko] (n=[]@unaffiliated/maleko/x-198721) joined ##slackware. [13:58] for some reason slackware is booting the wrong partition [14:00] SIGBUS (i=hadriel@forkbomb.nl) left irc: "Reconnecting" [14:00] SIGBUS (i=hadriel@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:00] compgenius999: Are you sure the root=/dev/??? device is correct for the slackware root partition? That partition could actually be different in Slackware and Ubuntu (and I don't mean that they each have different root partitions, but that the slackware root could be /dev/hdc1 when running the slack kernel but /dev/sdc1 when running the Ubuntu kernel). [14:00] oh wait [14:00] its different in slackware [14:00] i got it to boot [14:00] SIGBUS (i=hadriel@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Client Quit [14:00] SIGBUS (i=hadriel@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:00] my hard drive in slackware is hdb not sda or hda [14:00] RIght, just as I said :-) [14:01] So this is not slackware's fault, then, now is it? :-) [14:01] nope [14:02] ok, now i have another problem, when i log on to root, i get no kde. [14:02] web31337 (n=edK@92.50.174.183.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left irc: "SVN usage on HTTP-accessible locations will show all your source code to any user. Big projects please fix that!" [14:03] compgenius999: go back to console and run xwmconfig [14:03] uh oh, i hit ctrl + alt + backspace when i was trying to get x to work, now its all messed up [14:04] that should take you back to console [14:05] ok, i'm rebooting back into slackware [14:07] i already did xwmconfig in the installation process [14:07] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:07] ok [14:07] and kde still didnt start [14:07] Does X start up? [14:07] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@130.136.4.142) joined ##slackware. [14:08] wow. [14:08] i typed startx and kde came on [14:08] And, finally, don't login as root. [14:08] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [14:08] what why, it didnt give my any option to create a user [14:08] other than setting root password [14:08] Sounds like you are starting in runlevel 3, which doesn't start X by default. [14:08] So create a user. [14:09] I've installed emacs 23.1 by changing the version number in the Slackbuild, and now I want to use some nice fonts that I installed into /usr/share/fonts/TTF but they don't show up in Emacs. Why is this? [14:09] m314: do they show up in other programs? [14:10] I normally install my fonts under ~/.fonts [14:10] I don't really use any other programs that use fonts... [14:10] xfontsel [14:10] firefox [14:11] can't find it in xfontsel either [14:11] m314: run pkgtoo than setup , than fontconfig [14:11] pkgtool* [14:11] uhh, how do i create a user from the console? [14:11] Okay [14:11] compgenius999: adduser [14:12] Nick change: g4ttux -> g4tto [14:13] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [14:13] ok, thanks, everythings working now, except that slackware isnt starting in kde at startup [14:13] compgenius999: you have to set runlevel 4 in inittab [14:15] Didn't I say that? :-) [14:15] adamk: his not listening to you :P [14:15] is there an easy way to do warm boot? [14:15] deco_: He didn't respond to you either. :P [14:16] no, and you didn't say /etc/inittab! [14:16] fire|bird: shut up [14:16] fire|bird: lol :P [14:16] deco_: make me. :P [14:16] compgenius999: to switch on the fly, you can call "telinit 4" [14:16] hey rk4n3 [14:16] fire|bird: hello there :) [14:16] done [14:16] Action: deco_ brings a cat to eat fire|bird [14:16] adamk you didnt tell me inittab, i found it anyway [14:16] lol [14:16] Action: fire|bird takes flight and leaves. :D [14:17] fire|bird: damn lol [14:17] Action: rk4n3 renames fire|bird to "chicken|bird" [14:17] haha [14:17] :) [14:17] deco_: Didn't think of that, did ya. :P [14:17] rk4n3: haha [14:17] fire|bird: nope lol [14:17] wtf, sudo is failing for me [14:17] deco_: that solved it. thanks! [14:17] it isnt accepting the root password [14:17] sudo isn't set up by default. [14:17] compgenius999: Did you set it up? [14:17] nope [14:17] compgenius999: you have to add yourself to /etc/sudoers [14:18] m314: np :D [14:18] This is *not* Ubuntu :-) [14:18] thank goodness [14:18] compgenius999 needs to read the slackbook. ;) [14:18] m314: do that everytime you install new fonts [14:19] i know it isnt ubuntu, but slackware is starting to feel more like arch to me [14:19] gahhh! [14:19] except it actually boots without failing [14:19] fire|bird:---> i thought i saw a putty cat [14:19] slackware is closer to arch than to ubuntu [14:19] Arch does dependencies though. :P [14:19] y0 slackers [14:19] y0 slackytude|evil [14:19] yo slackytude|evil [14:19] deco_: you did, you did see a putty cat [14:19] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [14:19] hahaha [14:19] 'sup slackytude :) [14:19] o/ [14:20] so, you all alive and well [14:20] yup [14:20] I must have done something wrong [14:20] Well, at least I am. :P [14:20] hi [14:20] hi [14:20] well, that's what "evil" usually implies :) [14:20] fire|bird is now known as evil|bird [14:20] hey what am i supposed to add in the sudoers file? [14:21] compgenius999, uh, user host app options [14:21] compgenius999, might want to check man page [14:21] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-179-224-208.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [14:21] compgenius999, actually, depends on what you want to do ^-^ [14:21] compgenius999: there's some comments in there that explain it fairly well - you'll want to un-comment the line that specifies the wheel group without a password, then add yourself to the wheel group in /etc/group, then re-login to get the new group [14:21] slackytude|evil: He comes from Ubuntuland ;) [14:21] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [14:22] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: Client Quit [14:22] firebird, i came from the fedoraland [14:22] Well, that's almost the same, just rpm vs. deb. :P [14:22] compgenius999: ... then, you'll be able to sudo anything as anyone without needing a password [14:22] until i found out it fails hard on my new comp [14:22] fedora is too bleeding edge :P [14:23] rk4n3: I always set it to ask for a password, otherwise if someone gained accessed to your box/usr, you're doomed. [14:23] with root privileges anyway. [14:23] fire|bird: dude, if they gained access to your user, they can just change your password, and use sudo anyway [14:23] I usually use sudo on a per app basis [14:23] deco_: I've used fedora, it has a TON of updates almost constantly at times. [14:24] rk4n3: good point. :P [14:24] like rmmod or modprobe wifi driver [14:24] slackytude|evil, sometimes with only one application, bash? [14:24] Action: pi31415 ducks [14:24] fire|bird: it's just testing for the redhat [14:24] Action: fire|bird quacks [14:24] s/quacks/clucks [14:24] haha [14:24] deco_: Imagine using Fedora rawhide [14:24] haha [14:24] pi31415, huh? [14:24] fire|bird:hahaha [14:25] fire|bird: i loved the new one leonidas:D [14:25] I remember someone refused to give me su access, but they gave me sudo /bin/sh access [14:25] yeah, that ones nice [14:25] uhh, the problem with the sudo, is that it isnt accepting the root password and saying "sorry try again" [14:25] Action: pi31415 rolls his eyes [14:25] pi31415, ah, no, not for bash, heh [14:25] Action: fire|bird curls his toes [14:25] compgenius999: that's because you don't enter the root password, you enter yours [14:25] fire|bird: I [14:25] ohhhh [14:25] ooops [14:25] deco_: yeah, I know, you're selfish. I I I. :P [14:25] compgenius999: ... and it won't work anyway, unless you've configured your user to have privilege [14:25] fire|bird: ment I'm a huge 300 fan :P [14:26] fire|bird: hahaha [14:26] papajack (n=papajack@unaffiliated/papajack) joined ##slackware. [14:26] 300 is a nice number [14:26] it is almost a year's supply of beers [14:27] arghhhhhh, if i log out of kde, slackware crashes [14:27] i cant even ctrl alt f1 [14:27] compgenius999: remove slackware read teh slackware book and try again [14:27] the* [14:28] compgenius999: try the alt-F1 ... you could be in console mode, just stuck on vty 7 [14:28] compgenius999: did you ever switch to runlevel 4 at all ? [14:29] i've only typed startx [14:29] OK, so when you logged out of KDE, I'm guessing you're back in console mode [14:29] compgenius999: set runlevel to 4 and reboot , listen to us ... [14:29] i am [14:30] deco_: that might be a mistake - if he's having problems with X, runlevel 4 will really stick him [14:30] any idea when slackbook 3.0 is coming out? [14:30] its an ancient graphics card [14:30] thats the big problem [14:30] rk4n3: no we mentioned that long time ago [14:30] compgenius999: I'd stay in runlevel 3 then until you get your X situation figured out [14:30] fire|bird: still using xfce ? [14:30] the only problem is when i try to log out [14:30] deco_: yeah [14:30] if i do "ctrl alt f1" while kde is running fine [14:31] it works [14:31] fire|bird: nice, got my volume keys working now loving it even more:) [14:31] if i log out, i'm trapped in a big messed up green and purple screen [14:31] whats wrong with that [14:31] OK, but in runlevel 4 you'll have to reboot then every time you want to restart X, most likely, if X isn't exiting properly and letting you get to a console window [14:32] i blame my graphics card [14:32] rk4n3: if you want to restart x just log out [14:32] its only got 64mb video ram... [14:32] ... in runlevel 3, at least you have a chance to get to a console ... sounds like the driver for your card is flaky [14:32] compgenius999: mine only has 32mb [14:33] my card is a hercules 4000xt 3d prophet [14:33] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [14:34] g4tto (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:34] why'd everyone go quiet? [14:34] hercules? [14:34] those still exist [14:34] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:34] and what driver do you use? [14:36] its only a 2001 hercules [14:36] it isnt TOO ancient [14:36] it has a manual and a guide for installing on xp [14:36] and a driver disc for windows... [14:36] boniface (n=chatzill@FUSE-DEDICATED-66-161-181-131.fuse.net) joined ##slackware. [14:37] synapseXI (n=chatzill@41.122.181.200) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.17/2009062414]" [14:37] and what do you use on slack? also has ubunu simliar problems? [14:38] heh, hercules [14:39] Nick change: toastyto1st -> toastytoast [14:40] Fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:40] ubuntu has no problems with it [14:40] its only a bit laggy when moving windows around [14:40] i can shutdown and reboot fine [14:40] m314 (n=mt@87.63.32.249) left irc: "leaving" [14:40] but slack doesnt seem to like [14:41] well, you probably can shutdown as well in slack. Its back to console that doesnt work [14:41] adjust the driver [14:43] rhys (n=rhysrhav@66.102.98.194.ip.anet.com) joined ##slackware. [14:45] macius (n=macius@209.195.115.156) joined ##slackware. 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[14:53] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-25-135.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:53] init[1]: Why not just leave kde alone and use xfce, instead of trying to remove things? [14:53] why do you need gwenview? [14:53] Pixelized (n=Pix@dsl-129-4.aei.ca) left irc: Client Quit [14:53] er, why do you need okular? :) [14:53] hey thrice`, how are you? [14:53] omg!^ [14:53] I'm OK :) how are you fire|bird [14:53] okular seems to have nice features [14:53] like? [14:54] powtrix (n=powtrix@189.69.27.155) joined ##slackware. [14:54] well i can adjust with xpdf too [14:54] have you tried evince? [14:54] great, thanks. I switched to the nodoka themes. I'm liking it so far, nice clean theme. I also got the echo icons [14:54] zero0one (n=zerone@ppp-94-64-210-2.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:54] also, are you are on slackware 13? [14:54] thrice`: what are the dependecny for evince ? [14:54] evince is on SBo, isn't it? [14:55] rworkman put packages up for each 32 and 64-bit [14:55] thrice`: :-/,huh!this irssi is run from sw 13 [14:55] ok i will ck that [14:55] btw fire|bird ,long time [14:55] fire|bird: I hope it is :) [14:55] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/office/evince/ [14:56] ugh, such a beautiful / perfect script [14:56] have you settled with nick fire|bird ? [14:56] haha, yeah [14:56] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:56] hrad (i=5ef15c67@gateway/web/freenode/x-glpvjxmzacqdtbpi) joined ##slackware. [14:57] \o/ evince doesn't have any dependency .. yay .. [14:57] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:57] is there any tool for finding out what encoding does a file have ? [14:58] falx1 (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) left irc: Client Quit [14:58] fire|bird: thrice` any replacement for gwenview [14:59] init[1]: Well, I like gpicview or ristretto [14:59] They don't have a bunch of features or anything, just lightweight, fast, image viewers [14:59] don't knw why i'm in love with gtk+ [15:00] macius_ (n=macius@i209-195-72-163.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:00] IN LOVE?!?!, When's the wedding? [15:00] but people still go back of Qt blah, industry standard :-/ [15:00] engrxyz (n=zcvzxcvx@host81-143-50-89.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [15:00] (o_O) [15:00] I just use what I like, heck with it. :P [15:01] evince is awesome :) I use gpicview too [15:01] init[1], u der [15:01] i mean just like the feel of gtk+ aap [15:01] engrxyz: yo ! howdy [15:01] i got my slck 13.x now [15:01] running kde 4.x [15:01] I've been using xfce lately and it's awesome. [15:01] nice :) ,install it you have great surprise inside :P [15:01] zero0one (n=zerone@94.64.210.2) joined ##slackware. [15:01] fire|bird: yes mee too [15:01] i did already [15:01] fire|bird: i love xfce [15:02] thrice`: gpicview is really nice, I discovered it when I installed lxde [15:02] masterx831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-239-171.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:02] anyone tells me what's the akonadi server for [15:02] its perfect balance of all [15:02] engrxyz: its for putting pressure on your system :P [15:02] engrxyz: kde loves to do that [15:02] engrxyz: It's sort of the umbrella over kde pim apps/services [15:03] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [15:03] what's wrong with gqview? [15:03] it's a dead project :| [15:03] There, I installed evnice. :/ [15:03] I haven't used that in a LONG time. [15:03] BP{k}: its kind of dragging .. well it has powerful hidden features [15:04] fire|bird: it's awesome :) [15:04] form filling, even! [15:04] thrice`: awesome. I shall give it a try. :) [15:04] thrice`: you mean gqview? [15:04] i just want to replace the oxygen theme [15:04] init[1]: yeah. [15:04] any shortcut to this [15:04] engrxyz: You want to change kde's theme? [15:04] yeah [15:05] the default is the oxygen [15:05] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A735FE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:05] i want the look and feel of kde 3.5.x theme [15:05] KDE --> System Settings, Appearance. ;) [15:05] KDE icon* [15:05] Action: init[1] happly getting rid of kde finally i feel light [15:05] yeah i'm on there [15:05] init[1]: lol [15:05] what's that theme again on 3.5.x [15:06] init[1]: I built kde 4.3.1 :) [15:06] omg! have you gone insane :P [15:06] but I'm using xfce, it's so nice and fast. [15:06] yes of course [15:06] init[1]: yeah, duh, that happened a long time ago. [15:06] :P [15:06] no offense and to be honest, the oxygen theme is not easy to use [15:06] fire|bird: don't forget the goodies [15:06] i mean xfce goodies [15:06] init[1]: I have all those installed [15:07] I've also got chromium working too. :D [15:07] well which there are you using ? [15:07] macius (n=macius@209.195.115.156) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [15:07] theme^ [15:07] I'm using nodoka right now, with echo icons. [15:08] fire|bird: :) I like nodoka-square [15:08] damn so hard to navigate under the oxygen theme [15:08] using gsb and it is pretty fast too [15:09] thrice`: I like the rounded one better. :P [15:09] fire|bird: evnice == evince (ie document viewer) [15:09] Action: BP{k} adds a "?" somewhere in there. [15:09] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:09] fire|bird: i'm using this http://www.xfce-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=102190&file1=102190-1.png&file2=102190-2.jpg&file3=102190-3.png&name=LightGreyV2-GUIKit [15:09] fire|bird: its kinda really nice theme [15:10] visualy apealling too [15:10] init[1]: if you're a mac fanboy . .sure ;) [15:10] init must be working for xfce [15:10] http://omploader.org/vMmVyMQ [15:10] samuelig (n=samuelig@215.pool85-57-132.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [15:11] engrxyz: no way, i like coz of the Unix philosophy it follows , just love UNIX [15:11] init[1] == mac fanboy :) [15:11] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:11] fire|bird: nice :) where did you get the slackware button from? [15:11] fire|bird: well you can call it any way you want, but i'm using an open mac theme :P [15:11] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [15:12] the auther of that theme is really good at it http://sixsixfive.deviantart.com/art/LightGreyV2-GUIKit-117381124 [15:12] eh, got that button as well ^-^ [15:12] BP{k}: It's from the slack web site (what's it under, banners or something) and then I just right clicked the menu button (the mouse) and then properties and set it to the logo. [15:13] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [15:13] hehe, yeah [15:13] fire|bird: which button are they talking about ? [15:13] propaganda [15:13] ooh got cha [15:13] got a question. why is it that under Advanced User Settings on Systems->Login Manager, i can't edit it [15:13] engrxyz: root only can do that [15:13] got root? [15:14] haha, "got root" [15:14] engrxyz: login things not part of user [15:14] deco_ (n=deco@69.108.88.254) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [15:14] its part of system [15:14] why is it that the Administrative stuff was taken off [15:14] i got root access to the machine [15:14] but if i'll edit the login manager, do i have to log-in as root [15:14] there should be a way to switch to admin mode [15:15] under 3.5.x, one can see the Administrative Mode [15:15] no, just, as root, run systemsettings [15:15] but it's gone now [15:15] oh [15:15] yeah, they removed it. [15:15] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [15:15] fuck [15:15] why do they remove it [15:15] I don't know, go as #kde [15:15] :P [15:15] oahong (n=user@61.152.248.17) joined ##slackware. [15:15] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:15] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-109-186-164.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:15] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:16] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) joined ##slackware. [15:16] plus i can't get the audio play now [15:16] whereas in 3.5.x, i got no issues with it [15:16] However, in 4.3.1, when you click Login Manager it asks for a password, so it's 4.2.4 that it's gone, unless yours just isn't asking you. [15:16] great, i've gotten my slack to boot in run level 4 and start kde [15:16] i've used the kde that is included in slck 13.x [15:17] Yeah, that's 4.2.4 :) [15:17] shame [15:17] for once I wished Pat would provided updates for kde [15:17] pat is busy perhaps [15:17] too lazy too compile it meself and I dont think Ill be happy with 4.2 [15:17] but it's good that he still got slackie moving after some odd years maintaining itt [15:17] slackytude: those updates are called "slackware-current" [15:17] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:17] and it's getting better and better [15:17] i have an inventel wireless card, how would i get it to work under slackware? the windows drivers dont come with a .drv .sys or a .ini so i can't use ndiswrapper [15:17] alienBOB, heh, true [15:18] haven been following current since 10.x or so [15:18] comp, you were the grubber, right? glad to see you tinkered and have it working [15:18] guess I could do that again [15:18] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:18] slackytude: It's not that much to build it yourself. :P I've done it 4 times now. [15:18] yeah. now i just need to get my wireless working [15:18] its hard enough getting it to work under xp [15:18] and there is this akonadi server that is becoming annoying already [15:18] fire|bird, yeah? oh well, maybe now Ive beaten the word document I can do that at work [15:19] lol [15:19] alien, what is the policy on security updates? is pat the only person who monitors those, is there a list to post things he should be aware of? [15:19] yeah, wtf is that akonadi server, it looks like its for http servers [15:19] slackytude: You don't have 64bit, do ya? [15:19] fire|bird, nah [15:19] The thing I really liked about my Slackware installations in the past is that they provided a neat jumping off point for customization. [15:19] godling, thats still the case... [15:19] akonadi is pim management, used for Kontact/Kmail for example. [15:19] I just say in the past because I'm not currently using Slackware on this machine, slackytude. :) [15:19] ah, kay [15:20] alienBOB, do you have any clue if the shop started to ship 13 dvds? [15:20] why it says that " The Background cannot be configured separately in themed mode". [15:21] so, does anybody have any idea on getting an inventel wireless card from wanadoo to work under slack 13? [15:21] slackytude: yes several people have their CD's or DVD's already [15:21] fire|bird, I rediscovered that you can have a background image on speed dial. I remeber finding it and completly forgot it. and today [15:21] I found it again [15:21] comp, what chipset is that? [15:21] slackytude: haha, yeah. There was an opera contest going on to for people to make the best speed dial background they could. [15:22] alienBOB, I see. gonna wait patiently then [15:22] compgenius999: "lspci -v" output would help (if it is an internal card) [15:22] its an external [15:22] lsusb then [15:22] its just an inventel card, its only got one model, no others [15:22] neonflux (n=mrjones@76.225.174.73) joined ##slackware. [15:22] Inventel UR054g [15:22] thats its name and model [15:23] comes with wanadoo liveboxes(routers) [15:23] anyone know pat's policy regarding security updates? [15:23] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:23] have you Googled anything like 'inventel ur054g linux'? [15:23] compgenius999, eh, never saw that one before [15:23] compgenius999, does dmesg show anything related to it? [15:23] if I were to try to help you, that's what I would do [15:23] yep [15:23] i did [15:23] it fails, not many people know of it [15:24] oh god i'm back now on the kde 3.5.x style [15:24] finally [15:24] as it is a french ISP, (i'm not french, they existed in england too until they got took over) [15:24] well here goes my xfce desktop http://ssh.shellium.org/~buffer/Screenshot-3.png [15:24] engrxyz, eh, I like the kde4 stuff [15:24] comp, if it works in ubuntu, boot that and see what driver it is using [15:24] slackboy, : so damn hard to navigate [15:24] i have no idea what driver it uses [15:24] the 3.5.x is just simpe but it work well [15:25] and plus i got this irritating anokadi server [15:25] if i knew, i would be able to run any linux distro and have my card working perfectly [15:25] compgenius999, does it work in fedora? [15:25] nope [15:25] hrmm, i thought i was clear [15:25] ubuntu is the only distro that it worked on [15:25] ah, ok [15:25] then do what mancha said [15:25] every distro i tried except ubuntu and kubuntu failed with it [15:25] alienBOB: would pidgin 2.6.x series be included in future relases of slackware due to externaly dependency for video and voice ? [15:25] how would i find what ubuntu is using for a driver? [15:26] s/externaly/external/ [15:26] check lsmod [15:26] init[1]: you're working on minix3? [15:26] aha, enlightenment, now we can talk again [15:26] godling: yes [15:26] init[1]: no idea. Just wait and see. Perhaps vv will not be build-in because of the dependencies [15:26] init[1]: how's that going? [15:26] alienBOB: ok :) lets see [15:26] mancha: pat monitors security issues as a member of various distro security mailing lists [15:27] i'm on minix3 too [15:27] godling: yea fine ,i'm doing a driver thing for minix as my major project [15:27] review your boot logs and see what the device is picked up as, then check what driver is being loaded [15:27] mancha,how would i see what ubuntu is using for the driver? [15:27] check dmesg and lsmod [15:27] init[1]: major, you mean for school? what a great project :D [15:27] i'm also doing a pci dev driver fxp for mini3 [15:27] minix3 [15:27] save dmesg and save lsmod output [15:27] godling: no university :P [15:28] init[1]: I use the word school and university interchangeably. it's all school anyways :) [15:28] eh, uni starts again soon [15:28] yeah, tomorrow for me [15:28] oh? oct 5 for me [15:28] godling: yea certainly , but people here mistook it for KGS [15:28] so should i just pastebin my lsmod and dmesg? [15:28] it's sometimes a shame [15:28] that you are working hard for a degree [15:28] slackytude: happy schooling :P [15:28] but after graduation, u can't hardly find any work [15:28] the relevant part of dmesg (it'll be long) [15:29] slackytude: which grade are you in ? LKG or UKG ? [15:29] init[1]: KGS? [15:29] and yes the lsmod (or cat /proc/modules) output [15:29] :P [15:29] compgenius999: lsusb output would help [15:29] pastebin.com [15:29] init[1], LKG? UKG? [15:29] ooops [15:29] no it wont [15:29] Action: godling is down with OPP [15:29] local terms [15:29] godling, kindergartenschool [15:29] yes [15:29] lol^ [15:29] inventel ur054g (picked up as a cohiba 3887 rev0 [15:30] upper kindergarten school ukg :P [15:30] ) [15:30] hrad (i=5ef15c67@gateway/web/freenode/x-glpvjxmzacqdtbpi) left irc: "Page closed" [15:30] sounds good so far, lsmod output, kthank [15:30] compgenius999, that looks [15:30] good [15:30] http://hardware4linux.info/component/19103/ [15:31] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [15:31] ndiswrapper.... [15:31] Action: init[1] good night slackers ;) [15:31] gn init[1] [15:31] how :|? [15:31] anyone what's the default theme for kde 3.5.x [15:31] gn slackytude [15:31] do you still have a windows partition? [15:31] I'm trying to propose linux to my school... It's hard, but shooting some word and teachers will believe :P [15:31] I never used ndiswrapper [15:31] init[1]: here in the US we just call it kindergarten, and that is just a grade in grammar school. what country is this in? [15:31] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Client Quit [15:31] there was never a drv or sys on my old windows driver [15:32] oh. goodnight, I guess [15:32] metrofox, : it should be very hard specially if your teacher is a fun of the BSDish [15:32] can i haz lsmod? [15:32] mancha, you talking to me? [15:32] godling, : in what grade r u [15:32] affirmative [15:33] engrxyz, no, they're windows fan, and if they won't change I'll change school and some my friends will change with me... [15:33] engrxyz: 15 [15:33] k lemme open firefox and pastebin it [15:33] grade 15 so that's highschool right? [15:33] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [15:34] if i'm in the US right after graduation either i'll join the US military... west point maybe or annapolis and get specialization in computers [15:34] don't join the military to get a computer education [15:34] this should be the driver for windows -> http://assistance.orange.fr/telechargement/pilotes/inventel-g-usb2.zip [15:34] i've heard that in west point, the curriculum teaches you to hack computers [15:34] that's a kind of revolution I'm trying to do, in Italy it's possible, teachers are not competent as they seem... [15:34] someone who knows some ndiswrapper should be able to get it up and running... [15:34] http://xrl.in/36j8 [15:34] mancha^ [15:34] in west point, get a good training with computer security [15:34] no pastebin.com? [15:34] i know ndiswrapper [15:35] it IS pastebin [15:35] xrl.in is like tinyurl [15:35] oh, a shortened url? [15:35] engrxyz, really? O.O, that's great! [15:35] i've read an article ones that has westpoint vs nsa [15:35] i never click those, don't know what it redirects to [15:35] ubuntu is running on my other ocmputer [15:35] metrofox, : yeah [15:35] what's the point of shortening the url? :P [15:35] mancha: it redirects to pastebin.com ;) [15:35] it's already pretty short [15:35] engrxyz, joining the military for CS? thats sounds wrong [15:35] metrofox, : because the US military believe that the next war will be fought in cyberspace [15:35] i'm not exatly going to type out the full pastebin url [15:36] ubuntu is running on my 2nd computer [15:36] engrxyz: Please do not make life decisions based on the opinion of our military. [15:36] good advice [15:36] slackboy, : it's correct on my part because i will be able to get hands-on with the best in computers [15:36] godling, : i've read it i think it defcon site [15:36] hey slackytude, i know how to use ndiswrapper, i've used it on my old laptop to get wireless working [15:36] so i'm not prejudging [15:36] engrxyz, yeah, that's right, but this initiative is also right... Here in Italy if you join the military you'll be a simple soldier, I mean, with a weapon in your hands... [15:36] engrxyz, thats sound very naive [15:37] compgenius999, then try to use ndiswrapper for that usb stick [15:37] engrxyz: The Defcon security convention? [15:37] i don't want just to be a simple foot soldier to be sent to afghanistan [15:37] godling, : yeah [15:37] compgenius999, coz this should be correct xp driver -> http://assistance.orange.fr/telechargement/pilotes/inventel-g-usb2.zip [15:37] nope [15:38] inventel drivers are in an exe that runs at boot time [15:38] nope? [15:38] engrxyz: it's all opinion :) [15:38] because there is a curriculum at west point wherein the best computer programmer cadets is fitted with the best at NSA [15:38] hacking 101 sort of [15:38] engrxyz, me too... I'm trying to build a good future for me, and who knows... [15:38] compgenius999, just try it. the .exe part is just fluff anyway [15:38] engrxyz: don't believe the hype [15:39] is that what lsmod shows, that ubuntu wraps a windows driver? [15:39] the US military is the world's best employer i guess [15:39] bullshit >-< [15:39] ndiswrapper -l (on ubuntu) should show the driver loaded [15:39] engrxyz: I think you're mistaken. :) [15:39] metrofox, : you can't get a good future by just being a foot soldier in afghanistan [15:40] being able to see lsmod would help me though [15:40] engrxyz: are you British? [15:40] godling: white british, asian british, or arab british [15:40] ? [15:40] mancha, looks like it uses prism driver [15:40] I don't care :) [15:40] p54usb [15:41] well i just leave here [15:41] live [15:41] s/leave/live [15:41] but i don't have any loyalty to the Queen [15:41] oh, so ndiswrapper's not needed then [15:41] engrxyz, yeah, that's what I meant... I'm studying by myself(because school still doesn't teach me this stuff, and when they will, this won't be as studying at the university or in an academy or somewhere else...) [15:41] ok, so you're not a national. I just ask because every country's got different media with different reputations for propagandizing [15:41] metrofox, : so what are you studying [15:42] compgenius999, that pastebin is from the ubuntu machine with the stick working? [15:42] but right now, i'm studying on how to have a look and feel of kde 3.5.x under kde 4.x.x [15:42] engrxyz, I'm too young, but I'm studying C and bash, I'm studying also linux kernel, I read some manual pages and something else... [15:42] credo (n=cherchez@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [15:43] how young are you [15:43] blackula (i=1000@97.81.105.128) joined ##slackware. [15:43] just to be sure [15:43] If I don't do these things by myself I won't see these things 'til the university, and that's not good... [15:43] engrxyz, I'm 14 :) [15:43] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [15:43] maybe we will be mistaken here as pedophiles if we talk to children [15:44] omg, don't worry i'm not a pedophile [15:44] lolz [15:44] Peter File [15:44] engrxyz, don't worry... :P [15:44] engrxyz, you won't even get to see these things in the uni. [15:44] Buggaboo, : what things [15:44] yep, uni is kinda boring if you want to be a hacker [15:44] linux kernel [15:44] Buggaboo, nah, not true [15:45] you'll probably learn something useless like java. [15:45] instead of C. [15:45] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC30BFE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [15:45] Buggaboo, java... LOL... [15:45] one course in OS go tasked with changing scheduler in linux ^-^ [15:45] or was it Filesystem size [15:45] slackytude, you must be in the right uni, which country? [15:45] cant remeber, they were pretty busy reading through kernel code, anyway [15:46] i rather start with minix [15:46] Buggaboo, germany. But thats because the OS teach is a mac-loving unix guru [15:46] OS X is the bomb-diggity [15:46] Im gonna take System Programming in Unix this term with him [15:47] i'm learning again back to basics [15:47] he does all the stuff with his iphone. grades and everything [15:47] LOL... Try to steal it :P [15:47] maybe i'll hope i can get into electronics stuff like PIC or ATMEL AVR [15:47] heh, nah [15:47] engrxyz: invest in band-aids [15:47] godling, : why [15:48] is atmel arm? [15:48] no [15:48] ARM is ARM [15:48] burns and skin punctures if you're messing with electronics ;P [15:48] Atmet produces AVR [15:48] Atmel [15:48] godling, : i'm already an electrical engineer [15:48] but i've still thirsty for knowledge [15:49] so you've already got a nice supply of first aid stuff [15:49] gotcha [15:49] we coded NachOS i our operating systems course [15:49] what's a Nach OS [15:49] omfg why did you have to mention nachos [15:50] and OS made out of cheddar cheese and jalapenio peppers [15:50] samuelig (n=samuelig@215.pool85-57-132.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [15:50] something to eat? [15:50] [Kairos] (n=Kairos@unaffiliated/kairos) joined ##slackware. [15:50] ffs SHUT UP [15:50] kiyoura (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:50] :( [15:50] hcfd (n=fed@host86-131-179-38.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:50] FOOD, FOOD, FOOD [15:50] fire|bird, are you hungry? :P [15:50] Action: godling runs over fire|bird with the oscar mayer wiener mobile [15:50] metrofox: haha, no [15:50] metrofox: just messing with godling [15:51] godling: hahaha [15:51] :) [15:51] Peanutbutter Jelly Time [15:51] C has proven itself to be stable [15:51] i wonder what OS did Java has written [15:51] I just had two PB sandwiches, and it's not doing it for me slackytude [15:51] macius_ (n=macius@i209-195-72-163.cia.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:51] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.23.118) joined ##slackware. [15:51] OMG! firefox is going to turn their browser in to an abomination with a ms-office ribbon thingy [15:51] I eat some bread and sausages [15:51] what? [15:51] Pig_Pen: url? [15:51] godling: Sirloin Steak. :D [15:51] coz Im German [15:52] slashdot [15:52] Pig_Pen: link? [15:52] ah [15:52] Pig_Pen: url? [15:52] ;P [15:52] http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/09/23/1846248/Firefox-To-Replace-Menus-With-Office-Ribbon?art_pos=1 [15:52] dang, slackytude beat me [15:52] I see google-chrome in my slackware... [15:52] alrite, thats the last insult [15:52] I could switch windows and check the slashdot RSS feed I keep track of, but that would be too much work [15:52] the news that struck me just today was that, Linus Torvalds, finally admitted that the linux kernel is getting out of control and is damned bloated [15:52] lynx is going to be my browser of choice when that comes out [15:53] someone needs to fork it [15:53] I have chromium on my slackware. :) [15:53] engrxyz, that was yesterday [15:53] bloated and scary [15:53] firefox is getting too weight... [15:53] slackytude: fork it, at this point, someone needs to kill it. :P [15:53] Pig_Pen: why not hv3? [15:54] not just the kernel, kde, gnome, most apps like firefox, seamonkey, openoffice, xorg, the only way to avoid bloat is to install a bare bones system without x and use only console based tools & apps [15:54] well the best example of that is the lesbian linux distro [15:54] that's going to be aweful [15:54] Pig_Pen: someone in this channel brought it up before -- it's nice. [15:54] engrxyz, thats relevant to my interest [15:54] engrxyz, good initiative.... [15:54] hv3? [15:54] Pig_Pen: It's a browser [15:54] never heard of it [15:55] metrofox, too. [15:55] me neither until someone mentioned it in the channel [15:55] but on the other hand, there is still moores law. hardware gets better way faster than software can bloat [15:55] checks freshmet for hv3 [15:55] Pig_Pen: http://tkhtml.tcl.tk/hv3.html [15:55] thanks [15:55] tcl and tk... [15:55] yep [15:56] old school [15:56] mmm... [15:56] matox_ (n=matox_@201.49.181.50) joined ##slackware. [15:56] dillo is making progress too [15:56] midori and arora are getting better and better. [15:56] matox_ (n=matox_@201.49.181.50) left ##slackware. [15:56] opera can suck it [15:56] speaking of browsers and menus, in opera you can turn the menu off and get a single button to access all the stuff. was weird at first, but works [15:56] :D [15:56] godling: that's what she said. [15:57] firefox needs some cleanup, but it has been very stable in the past few weeks... still heavy on resources, but I have alot to spare :b [15:57] fire|bird: who, your mom? [15:57] slackytude: That's how I've had mine configured since for first snapshot that had it. [15:57] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [15:57] godling: That was low. :P [15:57] s/for/the/ [15:57] fire|bird, I switched later. didnt like it at first but its good now [15:57] I just figured that's the only female you know, so... [15:57] :O [15:57] LOL [15:58] godling: you should talk, the only one you know is deflated and in your closet. [15:58] martinus (n=martinus@125.167.51.200) joined ##slackware. [15:58] puncture repair kit on standby [15:58] s/deflated/decaying/ [15:58] slackytude: yeah, and I have the tabs set to be thumbnails and the tab bar on the left side. [15:59] fire|bird, tabs still on top but as thumbnail [15:59] fire|bird, well, at work. not on laptop. not anough space [15:59] slackytude: yeah, I switched it to left because that works better on the widescreen monitor. with the tab bar set to top, it takes alot of space with thumbnails [16:00] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:00] yeah, figures [16:00] nobody laughs at necrophilia jokes :/ [16:00] godling: Oh, you said a joke? [16:00] :P [16:00] thats because you are telling them [16:00] its scary [16:01] zero0one (n=zerone@94.64.210.2) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:01] what's so scary about a little necrophilia? [16:02] see there you go again [16:02] I think he was implying that YOU telling jokes is scary. [16:02] I was? [16:02] o_O [16:02] ..... [16:02] Action: fire|bird hops in the Kool-Aid truck and runs godling over. [16:03] when you jump her bones you _really_ jump her bones 'p [16:03] hehe [16:03] [ in bed ] [16:03] fire|bird: now you're making necrophilia jokes [16:03] I should be trying to sleep [16:03] gotta deadline tomorrow [16:03] got a [16:03] slackytude: but this is alot more fun. :P [16:04] well, yeah [16:04] but having a job is kinda cool to [16:04] well, the money part at least [16:04] I should sleep too, but it's to hard to go to the bed :D [16:04] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.57.33.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:04] metrofox: sleep in your chair [16:04] s/to/too/ [16:04] godling: I am not, I'm not attracted to dead bodies, I just created one by running you over. :P [16:04] fire|bird: I'm undead. [16:04] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.147.149) joined ##slackware. [16:05] Action: godling Thriller dances towards fire|bird [16:05] http://s2.buzzfeed.com/static/imagebuzz/web04/2009/9/17/23/bearsharktopus-30363-1253244193-27.jpg get one of these, better than a guard dog [16:05] dang, I knew a Kool-Aid truck wouldn't do the job. [16:05] godling, no thank you :D [16:05] i leave for a couple of minutes and you guys are already killing each other -_- [16:05] Pig_Pen, genetic engineering at it finest [16:05] yeah [16:05] Action: fire|bird hops in an Abrams tank and heads in godling's direction. [16:05] deco, do you wanna join? :D [16:05] Pig_Pen: those tentacles look shopped [16:06] metrofox: no grazie :P [16:06] deco: see, you shouldn't have left. [16:06] deco, LOL... Italian? [16:06] metrofox: nah just know some :P [16:06] deco, great! :P [16:07] But as fire|bird said you're guilty... You shouldn't have left... [16:07] eheh :D [16:07] i know L:( [16:07] :) [16:07] maybe just the tenticles [16:07] Action: fire|bird locks deco in the chanel. :) [16:07] fire|bird: you bee a good birdy now [16:07] channel [16:07] Pig_Pen: really, the bear/shark bit is good [16:07] Nick change: fire|bird -> evil|bird [16:07] deco: I WILL NOT. [16:07] :D [16:07] lol [16:07] :O [16:08] wow, that's 96 different nicks I've had now. \o/ [16:08] lol [16:08] you're keeping track? [16:08] ha-ha [16:08] I'm setting a precident. [16:08] y0 hitest [16:08] is that like a precedent? [16:08] Action: deco clips evil|bird's wings [16:08] yo evil|bird:) [16:08] godling: bah, spelling error [16:08] Nick change: rk4n3 -> DoctorEvil [16:08] or more like a president? [16:08] :O [16:08] I need ... [16:09] one *million* dollars [16:09] is there anybody else here as evil? [16:09] evil|bird: you're full of 'em, but I don't judge :P [16:09] godling: Yes, I'm keeping track. I'm #1 for most nick changes on ##slackware stats. [16:09] haha [16:09] flvr (i=0@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) left irc: "Leaving." [16:09] metrofox is now known as evilfox [16:09] evil|bird: shhh [16:09] evil|bird: zippit [16:09] evil|bird: zippit good [16:09] hitest is now known as eviltest [16:09] :) [16:10] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [16:10] Nick change: metrofox -> evilfox [16:10] \o/ [16:10] muaha... [16:10] rogersman1 (n=root@89.241.175.25) joined ##slackware. [16:10] kiyoura (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:10] rogersman1: Why are you on irc as root? [16:10] Action: godling smells ##slackofftopic [16:10] is it *evil* root ? [16:10] Nick change: deco -> Evel|Knievel [16:10] haha [16:11] Evel|Knievel: Here's 10 cars, jump over them. :D [16:11] and don't crash [16:11] I haz no insurance [16:11] backtrack [16:11] evil|bird: whooooooooooooooooooooo bump there :D [16:11] oh crap, there goes my IQ [16:11] :P [16:11] godling: You had one before? [16:12] You must not have been showing it [16:12] Action: Evel|Knievel slaps evil|bird [16:12] I try to blend in with my surroundings. [16:12] Action: evil|bird smashes Evel|Knievel's motorcycle [16:12] godling: lol [16:12] rogersman1 (n=root@89.241.175.25) left ##slackware. [16:12] evil|bird: damn you! i still have my bicycle :P [16:13] Evel|Knievel: Um, yeah, about that......... [16:13] :P [16:13] oh no lol [16:13] wdtz (n=will@99-4-167-164.lightspeed.caryil.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:13] Evel|Knievel: Hope you like unicycling. :) [16:13] that's what she said [16:13] "He that would live in peace and at ease must not speak all he knows nor judge all he sees" [16:13] phillipsm (n=phillips@173-20-30-13.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [16:13] ~Ben Franklin [16:14] godling: good quote [16:14] he smoked too much weed [16:14] damn hippy [16:14] indeed [16:14] God is a comic playing to an audience that's afraid to laugh. [16:14] translation: "Nobody likes a know-it-all" [16:14] :O do hippies still exist? [16:14] godling: so shut up [16:14] evil|bird, voltaire [16:14] godling: people must HATE you then. :P [16:14] evil|bird: do you? [16:14] evil|bird, and you probably meant comedian [16:15] godling: no :P [16:15] evil|bird: are you a person? [16:15] i miss Fire [16:15] slackytude: That was a direct copy from fortune. [16:15] godling: Um, I think so. Last time I checked I was. [16:15] toytoy (n=dindin@112.202.13.36) joined ##slackware. [16:15] so not all people hate me :P [16:15] haha [16:15] just wait, though. I'm sure I'll do something to piss you off. [16:16] i miss Fire|bird , Evil|Bird is just a bigger douche [16:16] Gee thanks [16:16] I have a preternatural ability to either creep people out or piss them off. :D [16:16] The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard. [16:16] fascist [16:17] communist! [16:17] crypto fascist! [16:17] :O [16:17] nepenthe (n=ville@YYKMMV.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:17] "It's men like him that give the Y chromosome a bad name." [16:17] lol [16:17] nice [16:18] Nick change: Evel|Knievel -> deco [16:18] \o/ [16:18] it's men like you who give the double Y chromosome a bad name? [16:18] If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. [16:19] Nick change: evil|bird -> fire|bird [16:19] fire|bird: wb \o/ [16:19] :) [16:20] phzin (n=Reggae@189.57.19.89) left irc: [16:21] technopolic (n=intel@95.43.16.15) joined ##slackware. [16:21] nepenthe (n=ville@YYDCCCLXXXVI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [16:22] m314 (n=mt@87.63.32.249) joined ##slackware. [16:22] fire|bird: I like this nick [16:22] Action: deco is browsing xfce-look.org [16:22] hitest: I figured you did. :) [16:22] :) [16:22] deco: lot of good themes there. [16:22] hitest: much better than lotest. :P [16:24] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-148-55.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "Leaving" [16:25] good grief, amarok is crashing on me a lot [16:25] so don't use it. :P [16:25] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:25] yesterday I opened the shoutcast directory and it crashed [16:25] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [16:25] today I resumed from pause on a local mp3 and it crashed [16:25] fire|bird: good advice =) [16:25] give songbird a try. :) [16:26] jacksprat (n=jackspra@c-69-251-11-60.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:26] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [16:26] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@90.47.164.222) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:26] fire|bird: you use dark themes ? [16:27] hobin (n=hobin___@94.125.216.34) left irc: "Leaving" [16:27] deco: usually, yeah. right now I'm using nodoka though and it's a really nice theme. [16:27] where did you get songbird? [16:27] is tcp wrappers run by default in slackware? [16:27] pi31415: slackbuilds.org [16:27] i see tcpd, but not where it's called from in /etc/rc.d [16:27] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/Songbird/ [16:28] phillipsm (n=phillips@173-20-30-13.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]" [16:28] fire|bird: oh nice, i like them but i hate how they make the input farms black in firefox [16:28] forms* [16:28] input fields actually * [16:29] technopolic (n=intel@95.43.16.15) left ##slackware. [16:30] haha, audacious with refugee skin [16:30] wakeup (n=wakeup@koln-5d8177b5.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] hiho [16:30] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@90.47.164.222) joined ##slackware. [16:30] i just upgraded and kept my old xorg.conf [16:31] hiho... [16:31] but xorg does not use german keyboard layout as I told it to [16:31] jacksprat: yes it is. [16:32] any ideas [16:32] dont know where the question mark is on us keyboards [16:32] Nick change: DoctorEvil -> rk4n3 [16:33] wakeup, you can tell kde to use german keyboard layout [16:33] or xfce or whatever [16:33] I dont use any of those [16:34] BP{k}: thanks...can you tell me how it's started? I looked at the rc files (using find and grep) and could not see where it's called...it's /usr/sbin/tcpd, right? [16:34] hcfd (n=fed@host86-131-179-38.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "bbl" [16:35] wakeup: can you pastebin your xorg.conf? [16:35] wakeup, have you modified the fdi files yet? [16:36] oh right [16:36] Buggaboo: no [16:36] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.75.135) joined ##slackware. [16:36] godling, that threw me off too, when upgrading to 13. [16:37] fdi [16:37] wtf [16:37] jacksprat: yes, it's /usr/sbin/tcpd, but have a look in /etc/inetd.conf. [16:38] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:38] wakeup, see the upgrade tips [16:38] ZenoArrow (n=chatzill@79-76-217-214.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [16:39] wakeup: read CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT on the DVD or on any mirror about X.Org non-us keyboards [16:39] wakeup, hal has taken over slack 13 in a big way. [16:39] why? :P [16:39] wakeup, you also need to hack an fdi file to set your mouse (pointer device) as well. [16:39] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware13-rc1-how-to-setup-up-a-german-keyboard-737670/ [16:39] wakeup ^^ [16:39] mouse works [16:40] thanks for all your help [16:40] no problem, hope it works out [16:40] whos awesome *question mark* [16:40] Action: godling is starting to hate HAL [16:40] your awesome! [16:40] ;) [16:40] boy, we hear that all the time [16:41] I think it makes sense to delegate to hal. [16:41] so people could share their settings and stuff much more modularly. [16:41] only, it causes some discomfort during upgrades. [16:41] martinus (n=martinus@125.167.51.200) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:42] what about the automounting thing? [16:42] of removable media I mean [16:42] what about it? [16:42] I thought there was a problem with it? [16:42] uh, why? [16:43] that's the impression I got from some people in the channel [16:43] Action: deco loves HAL [16:43] Hi all, was hoping for a bit of help with rebuilding my kernel config to get VirtualBox working. I'm not actually running Slackware but the distro I'm on (Zenwalk 6.2) is Slackware-based. Does anyone here have experience of rebuilding autoconf.h and auto.conf, or have any tips? [16:43] it works nicely with kde [16:43] in >90% of all cases thats because they arent in plugdev group [16:43] bradhex (n=chris@c-98-193-248-168.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:43] ZenoArrow: we don't support other distros [16:44] Deco, that's cool, but I'm not really asking a distro specific question, just a Linux one. [16:44] ZenoArrow: not cool dude! [16:44] so ask ##linux :) [16:44] :) [16:45] ZenoArrow, nice nickname [16:45] Having problems with network connection dropping due to high increase in download speeds. I run slackware 13 with ndiswrapper 1.55. I've tried #ndiswrapper but to no avail and don't really know where to look to fix this problem [16:45] Why not cool? Slackware-based distros are something to be encouraged surely? : ) [16:45] ZenoArrow: no [16:45] ZenoArrow: sure, but just like #debian doesn't support ubuntu questions, we can't cover everything "based" on Slackware here [16:45] Thanks slackytude, do you know where I got it from? [16:45] ZenoArrow, when asking on slackware, never actually let other people know you're using something else... [16:46] Buggaboo: :D [16:46] ZenoArrow, sure that old greek dude and his logic thing. a arrow is either moving or not [16:46] and so on [16:46] might be Terry Pratchett too [16:46] Buggaboo, last time I came on the slackware IRC channel I tried to keep that a secret but it didn't seem to help. [16:46] slackytude, you got it. : ) [16:46] Zeno's paradox is a myth. He was just really lazy. [16:46] ^-^ [16:46] ZenoArrow: they'd answer if they knew... I know I would :b [16:47] Action: mako-dono hides [16:47] godling, the ubuntu community supports questions about loads of distros, just look at their forums, they have a Slackware-based section for example. [16:47] ZenoArrow: they stopped doing that [16:47] Really, was that recent? [16:48] how does that relate to what I said? [16:48] ZenoArrow:dunno it says on the site , they want to drive traffic to the real distro forums [16:48] ZenoArrow: go ask #linux [16:48] at any rate, you wouldn't go into a Ford dealership to buy a Jeep :P [16:48] SlackBuntu [16:49] You mentioned that the debian community don't answer Ubuntu questions, I pointed to a counter example of a community that does cater for more than one distro. [16:49] ZenoArrow: not anymore [16:49] i told you [16:49] Deco, I was explaining why I mentioned it to godling. [16:49] ZenoArrow: it means nothing [16:49] but other distros aren't based on ubuntu ZenoArrow, so I don't see the correlation :) [16:50] Pig_Pen: zomg, a MUTANT! [16:50] at any rate, this is all quite silly [16:50] :) [16:50] Its not that we dont like to help, its just that we dont know [16:50] pi31415 (n=bcollver@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: "peace" [16:50] yup.. what slackytude said [16:50] There are plenty of Ubuntu-based distros (but of course you're going to say they're based on Debian!). Linux Mint for example. [16:50] ZenoArrow: GTFO [16:50] :) [16:51] ZenoArrow, I'd try this again, in an hour, with a different nick, and different ip-address if you can manage. [16:51] oh, and a different tact. [16:51] hobin (n=hobin___@94.125.216.34) joined ##slackware. [16:51] yes, we'll forget completely [16:51] we're rather like goldfish [16:51] Slackytude, I'm sure you do like to help, that's why I thought it was worth a shot asking here, because I know the Slackware community is both active and knowledgable. [16:51] sucking up doesn't further your cause [16:51] ZenoArrow: don't kiss ass [16:51] :P [16:52] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [16:52] :) [16:52] I already asked these questions in the Zenwalk IRC channel, [16:52] ZenoArrow: so ? [16:52] rd5 (n=rd5@189.111.164.142) left irc: "Saindo" [16:52] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:52] Plus the Zenwalk forums aren't accepting new members right now. [16:52] this does not work [16:52] ZenoArrow: use a differen't distro then [16:52] the kezmap fdi [16:52] or wait [16:52] I have to restart hal right_ [16:53] BP{k}: thanks. I got it now. it's started from inet2 which is called from rc.M. It took me awhile to find it all. Thanks! [16:54] deco, I'm trying to explain why I'm here, if the main channels for me are blocked Slack ones seem the best solution. I think Zenwalk 6.2 is basically Slackware 12 with XFCE, there's not much difference really, and I'm just asking for some command line help, which is even more universal. [16:54] just ask [16:54] wtf [16:54] ZenoArrow: use slackware than we might help you :) [16:54] this is major spam [16:54] firedix (n=firedix@host191.201-252-158.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [16:54] Elektro (n=elektro@85.84.204.34) joined ##slackware. [16:54] hm? restarting hal is not necessary, if you're just tweaking some fdi file if that device related to it that can be detached. [16:55] wakeup: did you follow all the instructions in CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT regarding non-US keyboard layouts? [16:55] so i should plug my kbd out and put it back in [16:55] Basically I need to run make oldconfig and make prepare on kernel source, what are the exact commands I'd need to do this under Slack? [16:55] Nick change: evilfox -> metrofox [16:56] ZenoArrow, run "autoconf"? [16:56] martinus (n=martinus@125.167.51.200) joined ##slackware. [16:56] ZenoArrow: that's not even remotely dependent on any particular linux distribution [16:56] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:56] heaumer_ (n=heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) joined ##slackware. [16:56] I know, that was my point! [16:56] ZenoArrow: the only part that would be would be the final package generation [16:56] try ./configure --help [16:56] ZenoArrow, you need to make a backup of your last .config, copy it to your new compilation site, run make oldconfig [16:56] or make help [16:56] rtfm :P [16:56] then make menuconfig [16:56] Okay, I'll try that. [16:56] sirslacker (n=root@p579B53D9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:56] sirslacker1 (n=root@p579B53D9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:57] tweak some more. [16:57] Thanks Buggaboo as well [16:57] hobin (n=hobin___@94.125.216.34) left irc: "Leaving" [16:57] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:57] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-234.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:01] which reminds me... I should retweak my .config, I set 'm' for a bunch of modules I have no idea what to do with. [17:01] godling: yes i did [17:02] wakeup: restart X? I'm just guessing, I use a US keyboard. [17:03] sirslacker (n=root@p579B53D9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving." [17:04] Kumool (n=Monevo@adsl-64-237-231-19.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] heaumer (n=heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:09] I dunno. I just told kde and xfce to use a german keyboard layout. to tell X directly what you use is nice, I guess, but I fail to see the point [17:09] at least with keyboards [17:09] i have a confession [17:09] wakeup, I copied the fdi file 10-keymap.fdi to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi [17:09] i am a raving dill dip addict [17:09] i know... its discusting :P [17:10] cus? [17:10] discusting? [17:10] blackthorne (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) joined ##slackware. [17:10] wakeup, change us to whatever. [17:10] de, denke ich. [17:10] yepp [17:10] es is nicht schwer. [17:10] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.147.149) left irc: "Leaving." [17:10] Buggaboo: sprechen sie bitte english :P [17:11] Buggaboo: gutten tag! [17:11] guten tag [17:11] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.57.33.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:11] warum sprechen wir allen deutch?!? [17:12] slackytude: bundas liga! :P [17:12] bundesliga* :P [17:12] hehe [17:13] not a soccer fan [17:13] macavity, alle [17:13] night all. [17:13] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578BC4.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:13] macavity, deutsch [17:13] Buggaboo: ok grammer nazi, how well is your Danish then? ;-) [17:13] Good night Buggaboo. [17:13] oh, no pun intended! [17:13] Thanks for your help earlier. [17:14] ZenoArrow (n=chatzill@79-76-217-214.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left ##slackware. [17:14] damn.. i should think before i type [17:14] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [17:14] macavity: good luck , I've been trying that for so long [17:14] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Client Quit [17:15] deco: there seems to be a pattern regarding IRC and thoughless chitchattery, doesnt there? :P [17:15] macavity: yes :P [17:16] keres (i=keres@ip68-102-153-230.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:16] Qt apps look so nice in xfce [17:16] cmair (n=cmair@host231-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:17] they do? [17:17] since when? [17:17] or were you sarcastic? [17:18] Qt apps look damn fine anywhere :P [17:18] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:18] look out of place on xfce [17:18] Action: macavity isn't a fanboi at *all* [17:18] wdtz (n=will@99-4-167-164.lightspeed.caryil.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:19] I like QT [17:19] slackytude: Im using the default xfce theme and okular looks great [17:19] really? [17:19] gotta take a look at that [17:19] not so in 12.x xfce [17:19] macius (n=macius@i209-195-120-142.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:19] slackytude: oh not using 13 ? [17:20] martinus_ (n=martinus@125.167.51.200) joined ##slackware. [17:20] slackytude: theme I'm using is just called xfce [17:20] deco, not on my laptop. [17:20] deco, still 12.1 on it [17:21] slackytude: oh ok well on xfce 13 it looks great blends in [17:21] imo of course [17:21] deco: the theme "xfce" is xfce's default theme. ;) [17:21] hey macavity, how's it going? [17:21] martinus (n=martinus@125.167.51.200) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:21] deco, I will take a look [17:21] fire|bird: i know silly just letting him know whats it caleld because his using the old xfce :P [17:21] called* [17:22] Im not sure Im ever gonna like the new xfce [17:22] slackytude: it was so great i dumped kde :P [17:22] I liked the way the right click used to be [17:23] slackytude: yeah [17:23] I have a love-hate relationship with new kde [17:23] slackytude: i hate it now [17:23] You hate it but it loves you? :P [17:23] FUCK!!! [17:24] fire|bird: you love anything :P [17:24] some stuff is really good, some is bad. sometimes it works great, then it crashed for no reason [17:24] ok I just disabled this fucking hal shit now [17:24] fire|bird: including me! don't deny it [17:24] its teasing me [17:24] slackytude: plasmoid thingy crashes on me a lot [17:24] but worse, my keyboard just decided to be destroyed by plugging it out and in about 3 times [17:24] -.- [17:24] wtf [17:24] fire|bird, I try to love it, then it punches me. I hate it and it seduces me [17:24] slackytude: just from kde 4.2.x to 4.3 there were 2,000 new features, 60,000+ bug fixes, etc. :D [17:25] Action: wakeup is enraged [17:25] Im in an abusive relationship with my window manager [17:25] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "rah" [17:25] wakeup: shut up [17:25] slackytude: hahaha [17:25] deco: you are right. but fuck you anyways! [17:26] rawr [17:26] wakeup must have wokeup the wrong way today. [17:26] fire|bird: haha [17:26] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [17:26] everything was fine then my keyboard was trashed [17:26] and making comments like fsck you, WILL NOT get his problem solved. :) [17:26] his mom didn't let him use the computer all week [17:27] i lov my keyboard [17:27] necrophiliac [17:27] how can you love a dead keyboard? [17:28] what's the little gui app called which displays pop messages on the bottom right of the screen? [17:28] skepsi (n=kvirc@217.77.165.54) joined ##slackware. [17:28] hmm now my scrollwheel does not work, I think I had this before, but what was the fix :x [17:28] yesyes: gui app ? screen ? what DE are you running ? [17:29] jinjii (n=alpha@93-45-77-80.ip101.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [17:29] deco: my own customised de... pop-up messages i meant. [17:29] yesyes: libnotify ? [17:30] dunno what you are talking about [17:30] libnotify in gnome, knotification in kde [17:31] skepsi (n=kvirc@217.77.165.54) left irc: Client Quit [17:31] yesyes: it's usually handled by the de [17:31] bradhex (n=chris@c-98-193-248-168.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:32] yeah. it was a command line app that displays a little gui window notifying the user of something, anything. [17:32] yesyes, depends on WM, dude [17:32] yesyes, like you were told [17:32] yesyes, if you are in xfce, for example, you want libnotify [17:33] yesyes: do you have libnotify installed? [17:33] and the command line would be notify-send "foo" "bar" [17:33] in kde, its knotify and cmd line is knotify --silent-popup "foo" or something [17:33] there are also more generic ones [17:34] yesyes: Are you thinking of xmessage? :P [17:34] or gxmessage [17:34] keres (i=keres@ip68-102-153-230.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:34] which is on SBo and waaay better than xmessage ^-^ [17:34] ah, i thought i had libnotify installed. i don't. i think that was it. gettin it from sbo now. [17:34] yeah [17:34] thanks guys! [17:34] pffft [17:34] xmessage is awesomeness wrapped in spectacularity [17:35] so is gxmessage [17:35] its compatible to xmessage as well [17:35] whatever, hater [17:35] ;P [17:35] faq! [17:35] jacksprat (n=jackspra@c-69-251-11-60.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:35] macius (n=macius@i209-195-120-142.cia.com) left irc: "leaving" [17:36] err, wait [17:36] heh. xmessage is a little too slick for my purposes. [17:36] _Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.80.83) joined ##slackware. [17:36] is faq an insult? [17:36] cuba33ci_ (n=cuba33ci@118-160-166-251.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] only if you're in junior high [17:36] oh, right [17:36] godling, faq! [17:36] otherwise it makes no sense at all [17:36] I wouldn't think frequently asked questions would be an inslut. :P [17:36] whoops [17:36] insult [17:37] that was a bad typo [17:37] a faq is no in slut [17:37] you're full of the [17:37] *them [17:37] but I don't judge [17:37] haha [17:37] slackytude: you speak slut? [17:37] godling: I wouldn't make them if irssi's spell checker script wasn't so annoying. :P [17:37] godling, Im afraid I dont. you have to talk to someone else [17:37] spell checker? really? [17:38] yeah [17:38] you just said that faq means 'no' in slut [17:38] you're very confusing, sir [17:38] fire|bird: you shouldn't get too used to those [17:38] godling: I know, I like to keep people thinking and things interesting. :P [17:39] that was to slackytude [17:39] you're not confusing [17:39] oh, good. [17:39] ^^ fire|bird [17:39] i suck at spelling in any language :( [17:40] deco: If you can spell your name, you're doing alright. [17:40] hba (n=hba@189.188.158.72) joined ##slackware. [17:40] people who matter don't care [17:40] fire|bird: \o/ [17:40] hmm. notify-send isn't showing. i guess you were right about it being xfce dependent.. [17:40] xmessage! [17:40] YEAH BABY, kbd works again [17:40] it's GNOME, yesyes [17:40] fire|bird: where is my coffee?!? [17:40] macavity: where you left it? [17:40] dunno why so [17:40] wakeup: congrates [17:41] Action: fire|bird hands macavity a mug of coffee [17:41] wakeup: so your keyboard isn't broken [17:41] making peace with hal maybe was a good idea ;) [17:41] -_- [17:41] gn8 [17:41] all [17:41] wakeup: now don't you feel sheepish? :P [17:41] fire|bird: thank you good Sir [17:41] macavity: Get any farther with go-oo [17:41] okay thanks godling! [17:41] I do [17:41] only give him coffee if go-oo is done [17:41] Action: deco trips fire|bird , spills it all over macavity [17:41] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-166-166.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:41] :O [17:41] actually I am writing a IT paper tomorrow [17:41] fire|bird: no, i am currently bugging with the mofos on their mailing list about how $QT4DIR works... [17:42] thrice`: If I don't, it might end up like the future firefox, with office's ribbon. :P [17:42] hopefully not about configuring keyboards in X.org [17:42] ;P [17:42] no [17:42] their build system is SO damn distro-centric [17:42] macavity: awesome, sounds like fun. :P [17:42] it's not [17:42] about assembler and implementing functions in assembler [17:42] its the same ol same ol... "slackware is broken, that is not our fault" [17:42] anyways time for some defrag bye [17:42] what happened to winter ? i miss him [17:42] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.70.84) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:42] "no, slackware is vanilla, your shit is broken" [17:42] deco: it's only fall [17:42] lol [17:43] macavity: It will when you bug them into submission and they fix their crap build system. [17:43] "hey, why on earth would *FEDORA* be broken?!?" [17:43] lol [17:43] people say slackware is broken? [17:43] lol [17:43] macavity: it's not finding qt4? [17:43] slackytude: this comes as a suprise? [17:43] dpunk (i=1000@200.97.142.152) joined ##slackware. [17:43] "dude, the documentation from the upsteam at $URL says that your ass is broken.. it is not the fault of Slackware" [17:43] BP{k}, actually, yes, it does [17:43] BP{k}, Ive heard many complaints, not that one [17:43] "ok.. your right this time.. but Slackware still sucks" [17:44] thrice`: i fixed it and sent in a patch [17:44] macavity: that sounds like someone I know :p [17:44] thrice`: but they insist that both qt_incdir and qt_libdir should just be set to $QT4DIR, and not $QT4DIR/include and /lib [17:44] macavity, are you still fighting that OO fork? [17:45] mako-dono: a debian or fedora user? [17:45] slackytude: yup [17:45] whats so special about it? [17:45] macavity: fedora user. [17:45] and here is a hint for those who are bored "xmlsec", what is it, and why does my build think i dont have it? [17:45] slackytude: that it is buildable.. prestine OOo is NOT [17:46] slackytude: oh, and it has native KDE4 widget support.. etc etc [17:46] slackytude: check their website.. they are lighyears ahead [17:46] macavity, doesnt sound buildable to me ^-^ [17:46] *light [17:46] ok [17:46] slackytude: it builds out of the box on debian and fedora [17:46] give me a ping when you are done ^-^ [17:46] so, all i need is to filter their distro-centric crap out of configure.in [17:47] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:47] but, allas, i am not an autotools expert.. but i sure as hell will be when this is all over [17:47] :-/ [17:47] DIXI! [17:47] heh [17:47] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [17:47] it makes sense, though [17:47] fedora and ubuntu probably make up a huge chunk of the market [17:48] john_dee (n=id@93-81-119-114.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:48] yes.. it just pisses me off that i have to educate real developers on what is the standard and what is distro-specific [17:48] cuba33ci (i=cuba33ci@118-160-169-242.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:49] developers arent sys admins [17:49] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "pqp!!!!!!!!!!!!!" [17:50] macavity, its LibXML2 [17:51] keres (i=keres@ip68-102-153-230.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:51] sQuEE (n=narya@host212.201-252-27.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:51] macavity, http://xmlsoft.org/ [17:52] martinus_ (n=martinus@125.167.51.200) left irc: Connection timed out [17:52] martinus_ (n=martinus@125.167.51.200) joined ##slackware. [17:55] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.80.83) joined ##slackware. [17:57] _bruno (n=bruno@187.41.79.135) joined ##slackware. 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[18:00] deco: gee, thanks. :P [18:00] here's a riddle for you to refresh them brains [18:00] fire|bird: don't worry i still love ya :P [18:00] ah crap.. one more broken broken configure.in test >_< [18:00] Nick change: Guest10515 -> Morpg [18:00] there's a vsftpd running on slack. it's properly filtered by iptables using nf_conntrack_ftp and RELATED rules [18:00] deco: Oh that's reasuring. :P [18:00] Nick change: Morpg -> Morphh [18:00] when firewall is setup to accept active ftp, client connects in active mode normally. if a client is setup to connect using passive mode, it doesn't connect using passive but retries automatically in active mode and connects [18:00] Guest3663, you could try the xorg drivers radeon and radeonhd [18:01] but when the firewall is setup for passive ftp. client connects in passive mode fine. but if it uses active mode (which of course doesn't work) and then retries in passive mode it won't connect [18:01] any ideas if its client's or firewall's "feature"? or maybe ftp's? [18:01] john_dee: no [18:01] deco: yes? [18:01] john_dee: no [18:01] yeah but i've read those dont support 3d accel do they? :S sorry sort of new to linux well been using ubuntu and opensuse for a year [18:01] deco: next please ;P [18:02] john_dee: maybe [18:02] Elektro (n=elektro@85.84.204.34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:02] deco: maybe [18:02] john_dee: you sure ? [18:02] slackytube: if so how would i get radeonhd? using xorgsetup? [18:02] deco: pretty much :D [18:02] it's possible [18:03] john_dee: could be [18:03] deco: you're scrolling my question up! [18:04] john_dee: define scrolling [18:04] #DEFINE scrolling [18:05] t0 (n=t0@brln-4dbc06a3.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] #DEFINE scrolling scrolling [18:05] john_dee: ok stop it you're not being funny anymore [18:07] deco: i was getting the define right [18:07] Morphh: have you tried asking the guys in #ati ? [18:07] and now you completely scrolled my question off screen [18:07] dang. evil person [18:07] john_dee: muahahahahah :D [18:07] deco: so who's not funny now?! gotcha! %P [18:07] john_dee: hmmm ok [18:08] nvision (n=nvision@pD9532B48.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:08] mako-dono: lol that sounds like a good idea thanks [18:08] people who pack a 4.4GB iso into 95 figging files ought to be killed [18:08] .. preferably they should have been strangled in the navel cord.... [18:08] people still do that? [18:09] amen. they should be zipped in 95 parts themselves [18:09] lol [18:09] I guess that means usenet is still alive... kinda [18:09] Nick change: snewp -> Snewp [18:09] mako-dono: yes, boneheads who dont understand why the original creator did that happen to insist on keeping it that way [18:09] that, or they're using sneakernet and floppy disks :p [18:10] oh yes, usenet is the last untouched and unregulated place for wares [18:10] if i could afford a proper service i would ditch p2p in a blink of an eye [18:11] sQuEE (n=narya@host212.201-252-27.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [18:11] me too.. I would use usenet if I could.. I just can't justify it anymore [18:11] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@adsl-249-250-180.bna.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:11] what if someone wanted to install slackware-13 on their i486 that did not have a bootable CD drive, (only floppy diskettes) [18:11] mailing lists/forums are doing a good job right now. [18:11] cmair (n=cmair@host231-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:11] some of the recent providers have 360 days binary retention time [18:12] damn it i so hate wireless phones! [18:12] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:12] greetings and salutations [18:12] coupled with a 1TB monthly download cap (with a 50Mbit proise), i think that is a sweet deal [18:12] andarius: greetings.. how is waffle land? [18:13] buttery :) [18:13] greetings andarius, how are you? [18:13] Nick change: t0 -> type0 [18:13] yummie :P [18:13] salutations fire|bird, i am well. you? [18:13] Pig_Pen: maybe they can use a floppy to boot linux over ethernet [18:13] PXE ? [18:13] andarius: great, thank you. I've switched to the Nodoka Midnight theme now. :P [18:13] Nick change: martinus_ -> martinus [18:14] andarius: I don't think that'd work with old mobos. [18:14] Morphh (n=root@i209-195-107-198.cia.com) left irc: "leaving" [18:14] fire|bird: that's what fedora uses right ? [18:14] depends on the board and the NIC [18:14] maybe [18:14] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [18:14] deco: yeah [18:14] fire|bird: must be really nice then :) [18:14] It is. [18:14] masterx831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-218-21.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [18:15] fire|bird: screenshot please :P [18:16] dpunk (i=1000@200.97.142.152) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:16] andarius: I tried it on an old AMD K-3 board I had. it didn't work [18:16] http://imagebin.org/65011 this is how it all ends [18:17] mako-dono: what board? [18:17] Looks like a coloring of the Garry Larson cartoon depicting the same thing. [18:17] i installed slackware-11 on an old amd-k3 [18:19] yeah, Worth1000 has a gallery themed "The Far Side" [18:19] deco: http://omploader.org/vMmVzcg [18:20] re [18:20] Nick change: PurpleSmurf -> Quiznos [18:20] Worth1000 has a lot of good stuff, most is worth looking at but only rarely do i find something i would want to send to family & friends in an email [18:20] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.75.135) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:20] andarius: I don't remember. some no-name company in tw [18:21] 13.0.0.0.0 >.> [18:21] fire|bird: nice :) [18:21] fire|bird: you took out the mouse haha [18:22] yup :) [18:22] hey fire|bird, you're a leech :P [18:22] lol [18:23] 167MiB up / 4.91 GiB down [18:23] lol [18:23] fire|bird: why two panels ? [18:23] Necos: totally :P [18:24] Action: andarius has two panels :| [18:24] deco: because if I just use one panel, then that doesn't leave much room for the window list [18:24] Action: thrice` takes one [18:24] takes one down, pass it around [18:24] fire|bird: hmmm ok but takes more screen space :P [18:24] though one is a desktop pager only [18:24] deco: Hmm, I haz an idea [18:25] Action: andarius adds one more 0 to Salckware so it is for the genius :o [18:26] different smokes for different folks, one panel, two panel, three panel, four, use whatever you want [18:26] Sulk* | Skulk* [18:26] fire|bird: wuts the idea ? [18:26] s/Salckware/Slackware/ ;) [18:26] andarius: oh how would you [18:26] could* [18:27] huh? [18:27] andarius: not spell slackware right :P [18:27] is that lol [18:27] perhaps because i don't run it on my desktop? [18:27] andarius: similar to sed :) [18:27] also is a simple typo :P [18:27] you know what would be interesting...? the entire desktop surrounded by panels [18:28] Necos: hmmm i would feel trap [18:28] Necos: for strange values of interesting? ;) [18:28] Necos: no-panels is more interesting [18:28] :p [18:28] mako-dono: we got openbox for that [18:29] gnustep/wmaker here [18:30] xfce for life :P [18:30] or intill they mess it up [18:30] Action: hitest likes xfce and fluxbox [18:30] _bruno (n=bruno@187.41.79.135) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:30] like what happened to kde :P [18:31] _bruno (n=bruno@187.41.79.135) joined ##slackware. [18:33] kde looked pretty good the last time I checked it [18:33] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl10-166-2.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:33] Nick change: Kamus_Away[xi] -> Kamus_H_Zwisch [18:33] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [18:34] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:35] BP{k}: just to see what it would look like... [18:35] mako-dono, i used to use openbox with auto-hide panel, which is essentially the same thing [18:36] and that was pretty awesome [18:36] the only thing i need a panel for is the clock [18:36] hba (n=hba@189.188.158.72) left irc: "leaving" [18:37] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl5-180-45.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:37] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [18:37] i think lightweight window managers should insert a digital clock in the title bar [18:37] since i tend to lose track of time when i'm at work [18:37] the date command would do nicely [18:37] Pig_Pen, yes! [18:37] Pig_Pen: awesome wm the new one does that [18:37] Pig_Pen: oh you mean on every window ? [18:37] Do new fangled WMs not have a task bar at the bottom that houses a clock? [18:38] every window, not like the date command is going to be a resource hog [18:38] i use tint2 actually with openbox [18:38] Pig_Pen: yeah that would be nice [18:38] same here, tint2 is nice [18:39] i really wish the clock could go down to seconds though... it only shows 03:42:00 PM [18:39] Necos: you can't set it in your tint2rc? [18:40] tint2rc %l:%H:%S [18:40] i did [18:40] %a %b %d [18:40] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] type0 (n=t0@brln-4dbc06a3.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:40] I'm going to be using a 32 bit computer in 2038 and be like yeah [18:40] YEAH [18:40] t0 (n=t0@brln-4dbc06a3.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] oh wait... [18:40] fatalnix: go back to sleep [18:40] look in ~/.config i think tint2 copies a config file in there that overrides anything else sometimes [18:40] i used time2_format = %r [18:40] hey, can I get help with a shell script here? [18:40] lol [18:41] deco: I woke up long ago [18:41] fatalnix: well nap time :P [18:41] nevermind, did it ;) [18:41] I dont take naps [18:41] %a %b %d you say Pig_Pen? [18:41] fatalnix: you should helps [18:42] what can I help you with? [18:42] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [18:42] i put the time and date on one line [18:42] fatalnix: i want a big mac [18:42] fatalnix: extra cheese [18:42] then add more ram. [18:42] time1_format = %l:%M:%S %a %b %d [18:42] and a couple more tb or disk space [18:42] yullhave a big MAC [18:42] XD [18:43] Poof! [18:43] commented out time2_format [18:43] Now you have a powerbook. [18:43] With extra cheese. [18:44] [maleko] (n=[]@unaffiliated/maleko/x-198721) left irc: [18:44] looks like if you put it in time2, it doesn't work [18:45] i commented out time2 and have all that in time1 like my previous comment [18:45] ah, no wonder... [18:45] it only works in your time is in time1 ^.^ [18:45] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:46] i like them on separate lines... [18:46] time2 is the second line below with the date, time1 is the hour & minute (in the original config) [18:46] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:47] yeah, all i had to do was switch time1_format with time2_format [18:47] you can change the %l to %H if you want, look at date --help for a full list of options [18:47] yeah, that's where i got %r from [18:48] ah, %r is the same as %l (almost) [18:48] and %r actually has the AM/PM (which i like) [18:48] martinus (n=martinus@125.167.51.200) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:48] well, not 100% [18:48] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-137-1.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:48] %r does the same as several parameters [18:49] Pig_Pen %F %R full date [18:51] i prefer %D [18:51] deco: sorry, was afk. The idea is to remove the top panel (putting the items I had there on the bottom panel) and using the other window list item that shows the open windows in a menu. [18:52] ice found on the mo0n [18:52] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "test34" [18:52] /.? [18:53] i woudnt [18:54] http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/09/23/1427246/Cops-Play-Wii-During-Undercover-Drug-Raid <--- wow... [18:54] i saw that yesterday on tv [18:54] very disgusting [18:54] that's retarded >.> [18:54] kudos to the (wo)man who set up that hiddem cam [18:55] i think i also heard that wasnt the only hidcam incident [18:55] with cops [18:55] i think it was of a woman cop in uniform at work playing with a Wii [18:55] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@90.47.164.222) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:56] some ppl lack honor [18:56] Quiznos: playing whos wii ? :P [18:56] how ironic that cops are showing lackage [18:56] deco duno [18:56] Quiznos: nvm [18:56] Action: deco goes back to creating his drupal theme [18:57] how dare they be playing video games when they should be beating the shit out of those druggies like he was rodney king ;p [18:57] _AnywhereIs_ (n=edK@94.41.26.131.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [18:57] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [18:57] :( [18:57] i was just kidding, [18:58] lol [18:58] Necos: you a druggie ? [18:58] no, i'm black and i live in LA... [18:58] deco: he's the dealer [18:58] and i was ~12 during the riots [18:58] i think weed should be legalized [18:58] fire|bird: oh!!! [18:59] Necos listen/watch for some news re a mid-west pest (related to abortion) saying "i'm just doing my part" [18:59] not fun to be reminded of koreans sitting on the rooftops with sniper rifles aimed at you while you're shopping at the market [18:59] Necos: lol [18:59] ew [18:59] i cant say the same for crack/coke & meth, that stuff is too hard [19:00] pthreat (n=pthreat@201.250.57.8) joined ##slackware. [19:00] Action: hitest likes drugs of the alcoholic variety [19:00] haha [19:00] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:00] :) [19:00] has anyone been able to compile digikam-1.0.0 ? [19:00] if i owned a little store i would be protecting my property against people wanting to destroy and loot the contents of my store too [19:01] if you invest thousands of dollars in a store you would not want a bunch of people ripping you off either [19:01] i never said they didn't have a right to defend themselves... i'm saying it's fucked up to be the customer in those times [19:01] and just imagine if the dumb fucks missed and hit me instead of the thief [19:01] those were some crazy times [19:01] ppl are too accustomed to being helped in emergencies that never arrive ontime [19:01] ok ill ask a different question, is anyone any good with cmake around here :)? [19:02] during riots like that even the cops can not be depended on [19:02] ax in ##Linux [19:02] cmake . [19:02] dont forget that little dot [19:02] ccmake . [19:02] it was bad to be a minority back then [19:02] _bruno (n=bruno@187.41.79.135) left irc: [19:02] Pig_Pen: yeah well [19:02] Action: Quiznos points to ##Linux; that-a way -> [19:02] Action: pthreat ignores Quiznos [19:03] your loss [19:03] i never built digikam, gphoto2 is plenty for me [19:03] Pig_Pen: gphoto2 is awesome just discovered it today :) [19:03] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [19:04] yup, i like it, simple commandline tool to extract photos from a camera [19:04] Kumool (n=Monevo@adsl-64-237-231-19.prtc.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0"). [19:04] Ah there Pig_Pen [19:04] cmake . -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/ [19:04] actually should be /opt/digikam [19:04] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/digikam-1.0-beta-4-on-slackware64-how-754629/ [19:04] dive (n=diverse@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:04] weird my enviroment should've been corrupted yesterday [19:05] Phoenixfire159: you fire|bird ? [19:05] Necos: thanks, it seems that its working now [19:05] deco: no [19:05] alienBOB has a slackbuild for it [19:05] fire|bird: damn you so have to have that nick now :P [19:05] Scanning dependencies of target digikam_automoc [19:05] there [19:05] lol [19:06] Its just cmake . -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/some/prefix in a new shell (btw im musing current) [19:07] s/musing/using/ [19:07] musing made better sense [19:07] >.> [19:08] m314 (n=mt@87.63.32.249) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:08] ^.^ [19:08] :p [19:09] Quiznos: I don't know exactly what you meant but nevermind [19:10] current works just fine [19:10] what is digikam for? [19:10] photo management [19:10] Necos, photo album stuff [19:10] Necos: happens to be that I own a Lumix camera and it wont work without PTP mode [19:10] some editing features through plugins too [19:10] pthreat it was a troll to prove that you lied. ;)~ [19:10] gotcha [19:10] and browsing around everyone was suggesting digikam as a frontend to gphoto [19:11] oh, so like LightRoom? [19:11] Dont know lightroom [19:11] or bridge even...? [19:11] I always just mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /mnt/hd but it won't work that way for my camera [19:12] http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshoplightroom/?promoid=DJGSN_P_US_FP2_LR_MN&tt=P_US_FP2_LR_MN [19:12] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:13] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.231.5) left irc: "Leaving." [19:13] before i open that link, is that a windows product ? [19:13] it's by adobe... what do you think? :P [19:13] haha [19:13] Necos: funny guy [19:14] it's a very interesting product actually [19:14] It runs on windows I dont own/want or care to have windows on my computers :) no offense [19:14] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.231.5) joined ##slackware. [19:14] http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshoplightroom/ <--- proper homepage [19:15] heh, pthreat, it's about knowing the competition [19:15] Is there any ?! [19:15] ;) [19:15] apparently, if digikam works on windows (and it does) [19:15] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:16] yeah it apparetnly does with that kde port for windows [19:16] i.e., digikam devs wanna look at what their competition is doing [19:16] apparently, even [19:16] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:16] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] wb hitest :) [19:17] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) joined ##slackware. [19:17] does anyone around here owns this piece of hardware ? Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI [19:18] Im having major headaches with it [19:18] can't say that i do :( [19:18] It just randomly dissasociates from the AP [19:18] I've even posted full dmesg output to the mantainers of the driver [19:18] deco: http://omploader.org/vMmV0Mw [19:19] no answer yet [19:19] ty fire|bird:) [19:20] i repeat fire|bird, you're a leech :P [19:20] http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5646&p=33653 [19:20] Action: andarius still votes for his desktop :P --> http://omploader.org/vMmV0NA [19:20] Necos: I'm sorry, what? :P [19:20] if anyone cares to take a look [19:20] andarius: your xfce desktop is one of, if not the best one I've seen. [19:20] does anyone knows how to create multipage with XPDF? [19:21] fire|bird: i have some older shots that are nice as well. thanks for the compliment :) [19:23] what terminal program is that andarius? [19:23] Terminal [19:23] comes with xfce? [19:23] yes [19:24] ah [19:24] you need to get those borderless [19:24] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [19:24] nahh [19:24] borderless isn't always the best look. [19:24] pthreat: Re: building digikam 1.0.0?...I've built it [19:25] Action: _AnywhereIs_ <3 xfce but <3 bash more [19:25] >.> [19:25] webbi (n=webi@190.247.201.22) joined ##slackware. [19:25] fire|bird: and older one, semi-NSFW http://omploader.org/vMmV0Ng [19:26] neonflux: yep its almost finished [19:26] hello [19:26] ello [19:26] pthreat: cool [19:26] ok /usr/lib/gcc/i486-slackware-linux/4.3.3/../../../../i486-slackware-linux/bin/ld: final link failed: No space left on device [19:26] how do i tell kde to not reopen everything i had open before shutting down? [19:26] hahaha [19:26] rofl [19:26] how to create a 4gb iso image compatible with windows? [19:26] fail... [19:26] Action: pthreat moving everything to another partition [19:27] jinjii (n=alpha@93-45-77-80.ip101.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. [19:27] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) left irc: "Saliendo" [19:27] see, borderless would be better IMO on that shot andarius [19:27] Action: pthreat doesnt works, moving it back [19:27] no idea? [19:27] no decorations whatsoever [19:27] andarius: very nice. :) [19:27] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [19:27] but sick color scheme [19:29] fuck, i don't wanna go to class... [19:29] mingdao (n=mingdao@unaffiliated/mingdao) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [19:29] Necos: then don't. :P [19:29] sirslacker1 (n=root@p579B53D9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving." [19:29] and ruin my A? fuck no! [19:32] mingdao (n=mingdao@218.63.63.162) joined ##slackware. [19:32] hey Pig_Pen, do you remember if tint2 follows .Xresources? [19:32] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@70.16.70.118) joined ##slackware. [19:33] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A735FE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:33] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.77) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:33] slackers do it with ftape :) [19:33] AEnima15771 (n=clbarnob@198.82.22.225) left irc: "Leaving." [19:33] so, my instructor from the tech school I went to called on me he wants me to help him teach Linux to kids in school [19:34] Thats where I run my servers and such [19:34] fun [19:34] yes [19:34] So I have to come up with some sort of plan [19:35] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.16) joined ##slackware. [19:35] he wants me to help him set up a bunch of major distro's (I refuse gentoo and you know why) to introduce, and then explain how linux works, and what makes up differences between distro's and why one distro only makes themselves look as good or bad as you think, and not Linux itself [19:35] etc [19:35] sweet! got my tint2 to use xft :) [19:36] :) [19:36] tint2? [19:36] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:36] google project hosting? [19:36] panel for openboc [19:36] *openbox [19:36] yeah [19:36] fatalnix: differences ? [19:36] fatalnix: package managment of course [19:36] needed to get rid of that horrid sans font [19:37] the kernel is the same even if some like debian use some patches [19:37] yes, like for example, why some distro's use varied package managers, etc [19:37] fatalnix: It's just a way to do it [19:37] kernel is NOT the same, as in the interface to configuring it [19:37] yes exactly [19:37] make menuconfig ...... [19:37] fatalnix: i dislike people like that aswell [19:38] jinjii (n=alpha@93-45-77-80.ip101.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [19:38] and the problem is, people get on a computer and they are introduced to linux, many times they think its bad because its different, and if not then they think linux is bad because one distro doesnt do what they want [19:38] pthreat, not exactly, when you have things like gentoo's make.conf [19:38] and it annoys me [19:38] hey, in /etc/group, what do i put where the number is? [19:38] theyre just convinced that there's a huge difference between one distribution or another, even if you'd tell them is the same [19:38] anyone here good with gnome? i got guest with prob [19:39] what compgenius999? [19:39] lol sounds bad [19:39] pthreat, because the interfaces to them are different [19:39] in /etc/group, there is thigns like root:x:0:root [19:39] Necos: just flowers n' bunnys [19:39] don't od that compgenius999, that's bad [19:39] yep [19:39] what does i put instead of 0 for my user? [19:39] what does you put? [19:39] don't do that compgenius999. that's bad [19:40] when you get to know the ground you dont give a f* about the bunnys or the flowers [19:40] don't edit /etc/group by hand [19:40] yeah, use groupmod [19:40] compgenius999: vigr [19:40] oh [19:40] man groupmod [19:40] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.185) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:40] ok it installed woot [19:40] groupmod is a very nice utility [19:40] groupmod is probably the safest [19:40] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: "221 GoodBye - WeeChat 0.3.0-rc3" [19:40] if you need to change a users group [19:40] man usermod [19:40] -g or -G depending what you're doing... [19:41] if he doesn't know what he's doing, vigr is probably a bad choice :P [19:41] but where shuld I start.. [19:41] hmm [19:41] i'm trying to get sudo to work [19:41] i've uncommented the wheel partt [19:41] visudo [19:41] as root [19:41] ah [19:41] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: No route to host [19:41] wheel is a group [19:42] this means everyone in the group wheel has that access [19:42] for sudi [19:42] sudo* [19:42] [troll mode activated] [19:42] typicly I make an admin group [19:42] heh forewarned [19:42] usermod -u USER -g wheel <--- i think [19:42] to amke use of the wheel group you have to be in it, have it properly set up and then log in [19:42] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [19:42] I just use usermod -g wheel USER [19:42] if already logged in you must log out and back in [19:42] I used it earlier [19:43] i've been consolidating hd partitions with previous slack versions; i wnna save gnome so i copied it to /opt [19:43] oh fatalnix :P [19:43] whazt Necos? [19:43] uh... how do i get out of visudo!? [19:43] thanks for the correction [19:43] :Wq [19:43] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [19:43] esc :w! [19:43] oops [19:43] lol [19:43] wq [19:43] the ! is just do it does what you say [19:43] with a biatch at the end [19:43] :wq! if the didnt change anything :P [19:44] no w then [19:44] I call ! the do it biatch symbol now [19:44] :q! [19:44] fatalnix ;p; [19:44] Quiznos, it was a joke >.> [19:44] wow its gettin windy down here [19:44] no kidding [19:44] is there a cane acomin? [19:44] hence why I ALWAYS use wq! [19:45] w and ! are conflicting :P [19:45] you are conflicted [19:45] or suffering from ffs [19:45] fat finger syndrome [19:45] brb, need to see if my graphs printed [19:45] lol [19:45] I remember the first tim eI used vi [19:45] i'm hungry and sleepy and have to drive an hr to class >.<; [19:45] I had to reboot to get out. I had no idea about half the crap [19:45] and you have IFS [19:45] independent finger syndrome [19:45] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc652100c.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [19:46] lol spurious thumb action [19:46] lol [19:46] hence, never use vi without reading the manual first! [19:46] vi ; vi ; vi [19:46] :Wq! [19:46] 666 [19:46] Esc :wq! [19:46] www [19:46] Action: fatalnix sets mode 1660 for quiznos [19:47] sorry, can not execute. [19:47] I have to have a vi cheat sheet [19:47] D: [19:47] Action: Necos begins the executions [19:47] webbi (n=webi@190.247.201.22) left ##slackware ("error: bedtime"). [19:47] lol [19:47] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:47] the vi commands always get purged [19:47] I have never had a problem with vi [19:47] but the emacs seem to stick for some reason [19:48] this is why I use emacs for a crappy editor with less ugly looking syntax coloring that hurts. [19:48] diven: purged? [19:48] from my brain nooper [19:48] ah [19:48] FIFO [19:48] arghhhh, how do i set kde to not reopen everything i had on previous boot... [19:48] don't you need a 5TB drive to install emacs? :) [19:48] lol [19:48] emacs is great, heh... [19:48] don't open applications, instead run them. [19:48] :) [19:49] comp, it probably has a "remember settings" option [19:49] there should be a setting [19:49] yeah [19:49] comp, did you get your wireless working? [19:50] tomorrow i need to get that damn hidden ssid thing working [19:50] Gentoo does it with Error 2 [19:50] Necos, sorry, you were using wpa_supplicant? [19:50] compgenius999, try system settings > advanced > session manager [19:50] mancha, haven't tried to get it working yet [19:50] nope, i need to mess with it tomorrow when i get back from my EM theory class [19:51] i was about to [19:51] the default is restore previous session [19:51] Necos, i see, because wpa_supplicant, its misleading name aside, does do wep [19:51] whoever said they needed a vi cheatsheet, go to viemu.com, they have a really nice one that I have tacked next to my monitor [19:51] uhhh, how do i install ndiswrapper on slack? [19:51] ngworekara, thanks [19:51] my vps comes with vi installed only [19:52] comp is that what ubuntu is using? you ran ndiswrapper -l ? [19:52] no [19:52] i have no idea what ubuntu uses [19:52] but i do know, i now have the drivers for xp [19:52] macius (n=macius@i209-195-66-56.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [19:52] in drv and sys format [19:52] i recommend using what ubuntu uses. ndiswrapper is a fallback option where you need to get the windows .inf and .sys [19:53] uhh, getting this card to work on linux is really hard [19:53] what card? [19:53] inventel ur054g [19:53] wireless 802.11g wireless [19:53] I asked what chipset was on my belkin and the guy at eek squad said it was a version 3000. [19:53] geek* [19:53] that's the bad thing about rare hardware comp, but if ubuntu's got it working then you know there _is_ a way [19:53] hey i just set up my virtual machiene and for some reason when im running it im getting no sound from slackware :S that isent normal is it? sound it working fine on the guest tho [19:53] it isnt rare [19:54] I could go back and be like NO! [19:54] fatanix, they get minimum wage and are lucky if they know how to turn stuff on [19:54] lo [19:54] lol* [19:54] ngworekara, that is nice [19:54] it was the biggest chipset ever in 2005 [19:54] the isp wanadoo, gave it to every customer [19:54] lol [19:54] my friend knows who runs that place, and could get me in the geek squad [19:54] the problem? I've forgotten a bit about windows. which I've found is a good thing [19:55] how would i install ndiswrapper on slackware? [19:55] itd come back to me quickly but lets not go there [19:55] well let me withdraw the blanket statement, they aren't very tech saavy folks, they aremainly salesman with some computer knowledge... [19:55] jinjii (n=alpha@93-45-77-80.ip101.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. [19:55] some [19:55] compgenius999 you need http://www.wireless-driver.com/download/other/Inventel-UR054g-USB-Wireless-Dongle-Driver-for-Windows.htm [19:55] no [19:55] the reason I asked whazt chipset it was.. [19:55] fatalnix, i guess thats true, a mixed bag [19:55] there is a xp driver there that has a .inf file [19:55] toastytoast was there at best buy with me [19:55] i have the inventel support files [19:55] from orange.fr [19:55] you need that to go on [19:55] was because we just wanted to make them look bad [19:56] (orange is the people who took over wanadoo) [19:56] don't do that, odn't make them look bad, they're just trying to earn a living. [19:56] well they shouldnt be working there if they dont know anything [19:56] compgenius, go to slackbuilds.org and read the HOWTO [19:56] thats false advertising [19:56] then search for ndiswrapper [19:57] there is an ndiswrapper build there [19:57] once you have installed it, go to that address that I gave you and run ndiswrapper -i on the .inf file you get from that website [19:57] did you hear that wallmart might be going under? [19:57] you don't gain anything from making them look bad except possibly making them feel bad [19:57] its in the zip file under windowsxp [19:57] fatalnix, no way [19:57] ngworekara [19:57] what [19:57] some bigger company has stolen a lot of their sales [19:57] i already have the inventel support files [19:58] and got like a 400% stock market increase or something [19:58] whom? [19:58] you said you had a drv and sys file [19:58] I'd have to find it again, sec [19:58] you didn't say if you had the inf [19:58] dont rely on this info, I only heard it shortly, ima research now [19:58] i have an inf [19:58] either way, you can get ndiswrapper at slackbuilds.org, just read the HOWTO on using their packages before you download [19:58] I was curious if anyone else heard anything [19:59] fatalnix: walmart? i didn't hear about that, but i heard about Macys, AMD, CVS, and a few others [19:59] once you get it just ndiswrapper -i PRISMA02.inf in the same directory you unzipped it, then modprobe ndiswrapper [19:59] yay for juveniles showing off at best buy [19:59] walmart seems fine, aside from being one of the biggest monsters in the u.s. it's stock has remained stable [20:00] that could be said about any US business really [20:00] non-US too [20:00] hmm [20:00] AMD!? [20:00] unixfool, I read that story too [20:00] why? if amd would work as hard as ibm we'd be fine [20:00] yeah, AMD has been in trouble for awhile [20:01] AMD be all up on my aquifer, pollutin my swimmin holes. [20:01] lost something like 3-4bn last year [20:01] I found one thing so far.. [20:01] http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1981572 [20:02] fatalnix: its not an issue of working hard, imo [20:02] im looking for something better [20:02] fatalnix, that was from 2007 [20:02] walmart going under? [20:02] ibm is very diversified. amd is not [20:02] I need to go over and have the folks at efnet/#politics explain economics to me again [20:03] what I heard is that wallmart might go under in years to come, now so close at the moment [20:03] but some other company I heard has begun to overrule [20:03] I'm trying to find out [20:03] anywho, time for modern physics class... catch you folks tomorrow [20:04] 'begun to overrule' is pure speculation [20:04] later Necos [20:04] modern physics... has it changed? :P [20:04] try to be nicer to the people you interact to, and remember specific hw specs like chipsets on wireless devices is something which worries a linux user much more than any other (and linux customers are a small %) [20:04] if you ask me, wallmart should go under [20:04] i was thinking the same thing velusip [20:04] pthreat (n=pthreat@201.250.57.8) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:04] *interact with [20:04] sure, they helped us with inflation and all [20:04] but wtf [20:04] in all the places in the USA that I have been walmart has a near monopoly [20:05] fatalnix ??? [20:05] fatalnix: sounds like you're projecting your wishful thinking onto this prophecy [20:05] I would guess their growth is slowing [20:05] due to saturation [20:05] lol [20:05] as is the whole country's [20:05] I hate wallmar [20:05] wallmart [20:05] can't blame any one company [20:05] And less and less room for parking lots, [20:05] however I cant find enough info on wallmart, so im gonna have to say its only a couple thoughts. [20:05] everyone: which company do you hate? lol [20:06] M$ [20:06] unixfool: apple [20:06] rhetorical question [20:06] I hate microsoft for plagueing the knowlege of people. [20:06] with false information [20:06] fatalnix: what in the world does that even mean in english? [20:06] basically any company listed on the nasdaq has done something that will anger most rational people [20:06] and monopolizing everything [20:06] ananke: it's engrish [20:06] ahh...like the govt [20:07] lol [20:07] Whichever company tells me what I can and cannot do... I think they call themselves Canada. [20:07] fatalnix, they look to be doing ok to me [20:07] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:07] well, to start... windows brought really bad programming into the world at a massive scale.. [20:07] ethics* [20:07] say what you will about canada, I do like their Boards. [20:07] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:07] ngworekara: bingo. not to mention i prefer to dislike companies that did me wrong directly, than indirectly. the whole 'have to hate MicroSoft is so 1995' [20:07] divemonoply on what? [20:07] diven monoply on what? [20:08] i agree with ananke [20:08] Parking lots, we were through this. [20:08] Quiznos, i didnt say that [20:08] bah, closed the quote at the wrong word :) [20:08] yea you did [20:08] I dont see microsoft being around for more than 20 years from now if not becoming a small company [20:08] its a quote [20:08] fatalnix: that's what you think [20:08] i have a list of vendors who i dislike more than microsoft or apple [20:08] fatalnix you're high or something [20:08] diven walmart monopoly [20:08] yes [20:08] that is my opinion [20:08] and monopolizing everything [20:08] fatalnix: they will be here for a looooong time [20:09] msft's days are probably numbered...i'll buy that. [20:09] lol [20:09] fatalnix: your opinions seem to be based on pure speculation backed by very little actual data [20:09] I was talking about microsoft diven [20:09] sorry Quiznos [20:09] i see what I said [20:09] ok [20:09] I could see them more nitchy in 20 years, like oracle [20:09] no, I just have a very curvy thought process [20:09] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:09] diven pls expand [20:09] I travel alot for work [20:09] not my fault ive had a brain hemmorhage before lol. [20:09] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [20:09] every little town that has a walmart the walmart has a firm hold on the sales [20:09] Stay on target. [20:10] fire|bird: y0 [20:10] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-80-61.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] thats all [20:10] i guess this is the kind of discussion i should stay out of :P [20:10] fire|bird: so chrome is working tons better. [20:10] diven thats competition; not monoply unelss they advantage themselves unfairly. do you think they are unfair? [20:10] they dont have much competition is what I was getting at [20:10] not at all [20:10] in their contracts? [20:10] y0 slackers..How's everyone? [20:10] hi [20:10] MLanden: it's drinking time. [20:11] but happy hump day non the less [20:11] heh [20:11] :P [20:11] humpety humpety hump hump..:D [20:11] indeed, it's time for a beer [20:11] we need a humpday song [20:11] what's that rap song's title? [20:12] digital underground's humpty dance [20:12] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: "221 GoodBye - WeeChat 0.3.0-rc3" [20:12] heh [20:12] nods [20:12] you guys are just as fried in the engine block as i am :P [20:12] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [20:12] ... and thats not a little [20:12] oh phew; i thought it was just me [20:12] Quiznos, not to go into too long a discussion of this, but Walmart definitely gets fishy tax breaks pretty regularly. That is one unfair advantage that they employ [20:12] i love that phrase [20:13] macavity you know who wrote that first? [20:13] you lost me [20:13] ngworekara ok; perhaps, but tht is definately a contractual issue. complain adminstratively then. [20:13] macavity "not a little" [20:14] ngworekara, any large company coming into an under-served area gets questionable tax breaks [20:14] no cheating :) [20:14] oh, that's just a direct translation from Danish [20:14] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.34) joined ##slackware. [20:14] macavity might be, but who wrote it first? [20:14] i wasnt even sure it would fully make sense in english [20:14] it's not danish [20:14] say "unle" [20:14] uncle [20:14] heh [20:14] i dunno... the king of understatements? [20:14] lol [20:14] Gospel of John [20:15] or the king of double negations? [20:15] lol [20:15] okay [20:15] I found a book id like some of you to read [20:15] the humpty dance is from the gospel of john? [20:15] the last two pages are horrific [20:15] http://gizmodo.com/photogallery/microserveces08/1000446145 [20:15] lol [20:15] its short [20:15] ngworekara no no no [20:15] :09 [20:15] lol [20:15] :)* [20:15] jinjii (n=alpha@93-45-77-80.ip101.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [20:15] yeah it is. it is now, in my mind, forever [20:15] you click on the right half of the image to go to the next page... [20:15] and its way better that way [20:15] macavity it's a 2000 year old phrase [20:16] well, 1930 years [20:16] probably.. [20:16] heh [20:17] ok.. you now officially lost me, and dont bother wheeling me back in [20:17] lost where? its source is the bible!? [20:17] i said dont bother :P [20:17] missed that line [20:18] especially bible talk is wasted on me [20:18] dude, macavity, he is talking about 2pac doing backup dancing for the Gospel of John. keep up [20:18] you should know who you quote [20:18] i live in a place where we dont write "in god we trust" on the money :P [20:18] fatalnix, I was going to have my first grader read that until the last page [20:18] wow i found something slackware is better than ubuntu at [20:18] handling my monitor :D [20:18] compgenius999 get your wireless working? [20:18] lol [20:18] HAHA [20:18] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [20:18] that book is a product of microsoft [20:19] maybe I will do a little censure [20:19] compgenius999: slackware is better than ubuntu in almost all things!! :) [20:19] nope not yet, i'm download ndiswrapper, windows doesn't like my flash drive :( [20:19] fatalnix, which book is this? [20:19] ViN86 (n=ViN86@SYDNEYPACIFIC-THREE-FIFTEEN.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. [20:19] I pasted a link [20:19] http://gizmodo.com/photogallery/microserveces08/1000446145 [20:19] higuita: i have to disagree.. slackware is only faster and it fights you less when something doesnt work and you have to fix it yourself [20:20] however, those are two very very important things to me :P [20:20] Also, xfce keeps getting my refresh rate wrong... does any remember how to change it. I have no xorg.conf [20:20] LOL THIS BOOK [20:20] i'm joking, but really neither is really better than the other, all depends on what people want [20:21] hiptobecubic: dont use the DE/WM to set your refresh rate... [20:21] I wasn't trying to. [20:21] hiptobecubic ^@ pad+- [20:21] hiptobecubic: then hand craft an xorg.conf if X doesnt get it right on its own [20:21] Quiznos: thats resolution and not refrash rate... [20:22] ok [20:22] if you use fglrx, you can use amdcccle [20:22] *refresh [20:22] res does affect ref tho [20:22] which modifies xorg.conf [20:22] but, it works good. [20:22] eww [20:22] a text editor and the manpage kids.. thats what builds a man [20:22] time to make the cofe for tonight [20:22] macavity lol [20:22] I was surpised it set up different resolution dual screen the same way I did by hand [20:23] wtf arghhhhhh [20:23] i just plugged in my flash drive, kde hasnt noticed it and hasnt mounted it or gave me any messages [20:24] not having a moment of geniousity? [20:24] compgenius999 chk log messages [20:24] macavity: i like that word [20:24] similar to seriosity [20:24] compgenius999: that is a good sign that either a) hald is not running, or b) the kernel has not recognized the device [20:24] compgenius999: did it wash your dishes though? [20:25] compgenius999 what does it say when you do dmesg |tail [20:25] ouch [20:25] usb errors [20:25] unable to enumerate USB device on port 3 [20:25] that can't be good [20:25] its not working in windows either though, correct? [20:26] yeah it works fine on windows [20:26] and ubuntu and fedora and dsl [20:26] "usb-core: fried USB hub detected. fire may errupt soon. run. now. yes, now!. what the fsck, are you still here?" [20:27] ah [20:27] greta [20:27] i did the old windows fixing method [20:27] unplug, and plug back in [20:27] and it worked [20:27] lol [20:27] detected vfat device just popped up from kde [20:27] put it on a diet then [20:27] yeah [20:28] its fat32 [20:28] ok.. that IS fat [20:28] maybe i need to slim it to fat16 [20:28] or fat12 [20:28] fat^32 [20:28] lol [20:28] i reccomend hard excercise and a sugar deprived diet [20:28] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [20:28] no starch either [20:28] what?...no sweets?!?....:C [20:29] mmmm starches [20:29] just heavy carbon hydrates and protein [20:29] starch is just sugar with delusions of graneur [20:29] uh oh [20:29] grandeur [20:29] ok, and unsaturated fat [20:29] i tried to open the usb drive, now its failing [20:29] but not too much of that [20:29] i think vista broked it [20:29] I disagree. I say you defy society and cram chocolate into your flashdrive. [20:29] MLanden: but that joint down and start eating properly :P [20:29] i already ate all my chocoalte [20:29] lol [20:29] s/but/put ? [20:29] I just.. found.. genius: http://imgur.com/yGIL3.jpg [20:30] mancha++ [20:30] i will remember that one :P [20:30] oh man dominian. that thing'll get someone sued someday [20:30] ok, this time i can't blame anything BUT slack [20:30] hehe [20:31] i plugged it into the other usb ports, they all cause failure [20:31] yes SIR,macavity....:D [20:31] but on windows it werks fine [20:31] do you have another usb device you can try out comp [20:31] yup [20:31] but its only 64mb [20:31] x86's on charlie the unicorn, "Dammit! they stole my acumulator!" [20:31] and causes windows to crash [20:32] i just plugged my 8gb flash drive back into windows [20:32] no problems, all files r there, and work fine [20:32] compgenius999: if this works on ububtu/whatever and not on slackware, the blame is at them.. for not pushing the fix upstream! [20:32] _AnywhereIs_ (n=edK@94.41.26.131.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left irc: "shutdown -h now" [20:32] compgenius999: if you want to know the "real state of GNU/linux" you should always evaluate it via slackware :P [20:32] it even works on vista and xp [20:33] well.. i know for certain which patches is in the otherwise-vanilla-kernel you are running [20:33] ughh, i can't even get my flash drive to work on slackware, first i cant get wireless working, then i can't even get the flash drive to work! [20:33] budd^ (n=budd@76.247.207.70) joined ##slackware. [20:33] and none of them fuck up USB, so the bug is not invented here [20:33] 2.6.29.6 is the version of the vmlinuz [20:34] is that bad? [20:34] resizing partitions, specifically an NTFS... by any chance does Slack 13 have anything available on CD boot? [20:34] ... [20:34] oh, and if your particular flash drive needs ndiswrapper and/or other propietary drivers, then blame the vendor :P [20:34] nope [20:34] thats all very good [20:34] flash drive works fine on ubuntu and fedora, and damn small [20:34] and windows xp + vista [20:34] look comp: **chuckles** usb is organized in your dev tree like a scsi disk. [20:34] they must have patched their kernls then [20:34] a flash drive I mena [20:34] mean* [20:34] as i said, slackware ships linux torvalds kernel [20:34] not all usb, lolz [20:34] damn small is the only one I could ever get running from a usb stick... I think my usb stick sucks. [20:35] i've had ubuntu and fedora and gentoo running off my 8gb stick [20:35] in this case it is 2.6.29.6 with a few hand picked fixes for graphics and a null refference error [20:35] you should read up on how linux recognizes your scsi devices [20:35] he is getting an error in dmesg when he plugs it in, that is somewhat odd [20:36] no errors now [20:36] it says its fine in dmesg [20:36] what did it say? [20:36] but when i click on it on dolphin i get a big error at the bottom [20:36] sounds like faulty flash stick to me [20:36] faulty!? [20:36] man I don't even know what dolphin is. what did it say in dmesg [20:36] yep [20:36] i only got it 2 days ago! [20:36] mancha++ [20:36] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:36] compgenius999: doesn't matter. [20:36] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:37] theres too much to type out [20:37] comp: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Flash-Memory-HOWTO/basics.html [20:37] john_dee (n=id@93-81-119-114.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [20:37] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [20:37] compgenius999: do you know how to mount it manually? [20:37] yep [20:37] thatl explain /dev a little [20:37] for mass storage [20:37] mount /dev/sda /mount/usbdrive [20:37] ah [20:37] what does that work for you comp? [20:37] and* [20:38] are you shure that thing doesnt have partitions?!? [20:38] /mount is not a standard dir, mke sure you create it first [20:38] yeah [20:38] ya, fdisk -l would be nice. [20:38] sda is the entire block device [20:38] sda1 = first partition on sda [20:38] fatalnix: actually.. not always :-S [20:38] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:38] no, but the defacto usual [20:38] ls [20:38] fatalnix: i have seen vfat directly on the block layer [20:38] hmm. I seem to have borked my desktop. Mouse moves. Everything else is unresponsive. ssh is up but htop doesn't show anything out of the ordinary [20:39] To be honest, a lot of times I dont use partitions at all. [20:39] fatalnix: boy did that throw me off :P [20:39] my raid server doesnt have partitions in the lvm disks [20:39] that way I can hotswap them without management [20:39] i just killed firefox, but it is still on screen.. [20:39] hiptobecubic good job jonny! :P [20:39] O_O [20:39] its hardware raid 5 [20:39] 'my raid server doesn't have partitions in the lvm disks'. that just hurts your brain [20:39] lvm'd disks [20:39] fatalnix: ricer! i bet you OC your graphics card too ;-) [20:39] lol [20:39] try killall -s KILL firefox-bin hip [20:40] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [20:40] kill the desktop from a console [20:40] lol no toastytoast does [20:40] toastytoast oc's it so much sometimes he crashes X with it [20:40] oh fatalnix i meant /media [20:40] him and his damn hd4650 [20:40] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:40] macavity: along with his sound, network and serial ports. :P [20:41] nah, I generally keep my serial port at 9600 unless the device requires otherwise due to lacking flow control or something [20:41] killed the desktop... screen is now black. [20:41] can't switch vt's [20:41] reboot? /shrub [20:42] /shrug [20:42] agentc0re: if you just find the clock generator and replace it with somethign faster *everything* runs faster.. right? [20:42] lol [20:42] its usually next to the CMOS :P [20:42] try using the console keystrokes to change vts rather then x keystrokes [20:42] not really [20:42] oh that [20:42] alt f1 [20:42] its ctrl-alt-F* [20:42] ctrl alt is for X isn't it? [20:42] yes [20:43] hey, i just discovered that the vim thats included in slack is compiled w/o the xterm_clipboard option.... so neither *p nor middle click works for pasting sth out of x11 [20:43] events will be timed faster I think , thats about it [20:43] any ideas? [20:43] t0, gvim or recompile. [20:43] arghh i just mounted /dev/sda on /media/usbdrive, now its complaining that its busy so i can't unmount it [20:43] compgenius999: lsof /media/usbdrive [20:44] compgenius999: chances are, you left some shell in that directory [20:44] mhh, dont really like gvim... do you know what the compile option is? because i cant find sth in the configure file... [20:44] t0: or send patches to vim so it uses dlopen() of libX instead of making a hard dependency on it [20:44] macavity: haha, ok [20:44] t0: we cant have a vim that has a dependency on X.. lots of people here dont install X [20:44] I make suff up horribly [20:44] macavity: yeah, sure [20:44] ah great [20:44] Eyecandy for idiots: find / -exec shred -fuzxn 255 {} \; [20:44] fatalnix: we've noticed. [20:45] lol [20:45] fixing my usb flash drive via the terminal = epic win, using gui = epic fail [20:45] but [20:45] dont run that command like I did. [20:45] fatalnix: wtf [20:45] !ops [20:45] fatalnix: if that command does whe it think it does, you get a five day ban when the ops come around.... [20:45] http://dpaste.com/97464/ This is new to me [20:45] macavity: i think it does what you think i tdoes [20:46] fatalnix, please don't paste harmful shit like that here [20:46] alright. [20:46] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:46] what harmful shit O_O? [20:46] fatalnix: and if you need to explain commands that are potentially harmfull, please quote them [20:46] aye [20:46] fatalnix: that way, if someone botches a copy/paste as root they dont fuck up their lifes work [20:46] sorry then [20:47] macavity: its just really annoying... shouldnt vim be capable of accepting the middle click paste as an input, just like it works in every app that runs in xterm? i assume the most of them dont implement X11 directly? [20:47] I said not to run it anywyas [20:47] but I get the point [20:47] fatalnix what harmful shit? [20:47] I wont say it [20:47] don't paste it again [20:47] fatalnix: yeah, you mentioned it _After the fact_ [20:47] comp: just continue on with your questions :) [20:47] yeah, I mentioned it when I was like, oh, shit. [20:47] that lsof didnt do harmful shit did it? [20:48] nope [20:48] compgenius999: no. you can check the man page [20:48] lsof is a great command [20:48] oh the one with find in it? [20:48] dont run that [20:48] i know what that does [20:48] Dont EVER run any command you see that has "shred" in it [20:48] permanantly formats ur drives [20:48] !nickomatic ThisIsNotABot [20:48] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@20150135042.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:48] oops [20:49] phew [20:49] yeah [20:49] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [20:49] t0: i dont know what kind of trickery is going on here, but i can affirm that it doesnt work in konsole/yakuake either [20:50] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [20:50] t0: doesn't work on xfce's terminal either [20:50] k, so i am trying to recompile it... thanks for your help :) [20:51] t0 yes, vi needs a configure-time fix [20:51] t0: it *might* be an ncurses issue [20:51] ok.. listen to mancha [20:51] if you notice, vi (aka elvis) does allow mid-button paste [20:51] that is rather odd [20:51] libgpm should work with X [20:52] and vim links to libncurses and libgpm [20:52] readelf -a /usr/bin/vim | grep NEEDED [20:52] arghh, why is it, that kde is sooo confusing and annoying? [20:52] one of the cooler things about dwm was being able to set 3rd mouse paste to another key [20:52] compgenius999: it isnt.. it just dont like self apointed geniuses ;-) [20:53] even the command line is less confusing than this annoying kde... [20:53] comp if you feel that way, ditch it [20:53] compgenius999: use gnome , that will be perfect for you :D [20:53] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [20:53] try fluxbox [20:53] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-20-51-11.brnt.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:54] t0, try putting "mouse=r" in your .virc [20:54] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-20-51-11.brnt.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [20:54] nice, i cant even find sth similar to DESTDIR in the makefile for making a pkg before installing it over... [20:54] mancha: .vimrc? [20:54] can elvis and vim share a .virc? [20:54] i was going to use gnome deco [20:54] t0, no, virc [20:54] ok [20:54] compgenius999: better use ubuntu :) [20:54] but it wasnt on any of the software disks [20:55] hmm i'll try fluxbox [20:55] lol [20:55] if only i could escape from kde... [20:55] lol [20:55] Action: deco had enough fun ,gets back to work [20:55] slackware doesnt have anything gnome [20:55] ... at.... all.... [20:55] vim is working i presume, but vi is giving you trouble right? (vi is not vim, it elvis) [20:55] yeah it must have [20:55] fluxbox has no support for plug and play devices, btw [20:55] http://gnomeslackbuild.org [20:55] in the guide one of the software sets was gnome [20:55] :P [20:56] then that guide is out of date [20:56] what window manager would be simplest? [20:56] ah, :set mouse=r in vim works [20:56] compgenius999: XFCE [20:56] xfce [20:56] t0, cool beans. [20:56] k i'll try that [20:56] Depends what you call simple. [20:56] I think twm is a simple wm. [20:56] fatalnix: ricer :P [20:56] lawl [20:56] lol [20:56] so ill put it in .vimrc i think [20:56] ricer? [20:56] ViN86 (n=ViN86@SYDNEYPACIFIC-THREE-FIFTEEN.MIT.EDU) left irc: "Leaving" [20:56] macavity: i think he needs a lolcatz [20:56] fatalnix: twm is for speed junkies.. and people who grew old in the 70s ;-) [20:57] lol [20:57] I personally use Fluxbox because it is simple and clean. [20:57] arghhhhhhhhhhh [20:57] dwm is simpler [20:57] and cleaner [20:57] the greeen lines of death!!! [20:57] and crazy random white giberish! [20:57] are you making new shit terms as you experience them? [20:58] Ahh the crazy menu that doesn't pop up of DEATH! [20:58] agentc0re: you may have a point :P [20:58] i try to restart and kde kills my graphics card.... [20:58] dwm looks nice [20:58] dwm is 3000 lines of code [20:58] compgenius999 with knifes or spoons? [20:58] but when I checked one of the images it brought me to suckless.org [20:58] both agentc0re [20:58] compgenius999: what craphics card is that? [20:58] that is where its hosted [20:58] its an ancient hercules [20:59] oh [20:59] the plot thickens [20:59] no wonder.. turn off composite [20:59] now [20:59] WTF OMFG FAIL [20:59] ancient is right [20:59] it will never become stable [20:59] i opened xwmconfig and selected xfce [20:59] i restarted [20:59] a new Man VSs Wild, Bear Grills is going to probably eat bugs somewhere [20:59] and i'm booted into kde... [20:59] i suggest you turn your PC off, and place it in the garbage. [20:59] nevur [20:59] lol [20:59] har [20:59] i spent 5 hours building it! [20:59] LMAO!! [21:00] out of old computers [21:00] i even ripped my old hp pavillion to pieces [21:00] 5 hours, 20 years ago man!! [21:00] ok.. under which account did you run xwmconfig? [21:00] just to remove the ram [21:00] wtf.. [21:00] and johnny5's crotch [21:00] root [21:00] try user beetroot [21:00] going to try dwm [21:00] its installed [21:01] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@70.16.70.118) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:01] compgenius999: do it as your regular user and see [21:01] Bear Grills is a fake [21:01] if i do it on my regular user [21:01] i get errors [21:01] huh? [21:01] alias plz="sudo" [21:01] When run by a non-root user, xwmconfig writes out a $HOME/.xinitrc file, allowing the user to choose their own default window manager (possibly overriding the one chosen as a system default). [21:01] josefig (n=JoseFig@189.129.147.130) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:02] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.80.83) left irc: Connection reset by peer [21:02] if you get an error, then something is horribly wrong [21:02] OW [21:02] i tried to logout into console [21:02] and it burned my eyes [21:02] with white red purple and green and more white [21:02] you MAY consider a graphics card from this millenium.... [21:02] or use NetBSD :P [21:03] bah, who needs more then 16 colors [21:03] wtf u mean [21:03] lol [21:03] it IS from this milenium [21:03] it was built for windows xp [21:03] with a hercules?!? [21:03] hehe [21:03] its a hercules 4000xt [21:03] came with a manual [21:03] and a driver disk [21:03] for xp [21:03] Angevin (n=kfb@76.15.111.122) joined ##slackware. [21:03] lol [21:03] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl192-19.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:04] unfortunately it is one of the cards that has really crappy Xorg support [21:04] Richard Stallman is a communist hook nose Kike Jew and Linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that [21:04] i check for support before i buy devices [21:04] not exactly [21:04] NetBSD blackhole.earthlink.net 5.0.1 NetBSD 5.0.1 (PLANTAGENESTA) #4: Mon Sep 21 13:46:36 EST 2009 kfb@blackhole.earthlink.net:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/PLANTAGENESTA i386 [21:04] on ubuntu it works pretty ok [21:04] just a tiny bit laggy [21:04] Patrick Volkering is Stalin [21:04] Angevin: bye [21:04] *volkerding [21:04] Stalin ! [21:04] wow an illiterate troll [21:05] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl192-19.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:05] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [21:05] actor Ed O'Neil is on a new ABC sitcom whose char is married to a uber-younger-hottie and all I can think of is ``where's Peg''; "well he finaly divorced Peg'' [21:05] ah great [21:05] Skywise: an illiterate troll from NY [21:05] i pressed session type: xfce [21:05] Angevin was banned from linux earlier tonight against my objection. [21:05] and xfce started when i logged on [21:05] treat him as a pest [21:05] I'm trolling [21:05] they know [21:05] macavity: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2009-September/004332.html :> [21:06] he's a better curmudgeon than a troll [21:06] Quiznos they just banned me #debian [21:06] omfg, this is retarded [21:06] kool [21:06] it still wont mount my flash drive! [21:06] are you going for a record? [21:06] thrice`: SCHWEET! [21:06] compgenius999 what does dmesg report? [21:06] i'm gonna screenshot and take a pic and put on my flash drive [21:06] Quiznos I don't really care how many linux channels I get banned from since I don't use linux [21:06] ah wait [21:06] rignes (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:06] it doesnt work [21:07] Quiznos: How'd you like him in Dragnet (Ed O'Neil)? [21:07] compgenius999: okay, here's the new plan. [21:07] Angevin then try ##Politics; thatll be your most difficult task [21:07] in dmesg it says its fine [21:07] plug your usb drive in your PC> [21:07] MLanden dont recall that one [21:07] its plugged in [21:07] Turn your pc off, with usb drive plugged in. [21:07] compgenius999 hmm [21:07] then, THROW THE MOTHER FUCKER OUT! [21:07] it works on ubuntu, xp, vista, fedora [21:07] just not slackware [21:07] Agentc0re lol [21:07] i only got it 2 days ago! [21:07] came and went quick...but had him star on it though [21:08] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@76.109.186.164) joined ##slackware. [21:08] compgenius999 no; reboot (resets bios) then boot wihtout usb [21:08] MLanden k [21:08] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] using dwm [21:08] had to make xterm run when dwm started [21:08] Quiznos installing packages by hand on slackware via source after the 20th package is mentally retarded because at about that amount it becomes a major waste of time .. linux is for dumb bitches [21:08] heh [21:09] Angevin installpkg *.tgz [21:09] Look, i know that's not helpful. But it really sounds like you are running on some really old shit. And while that can be okay some times, most other times it just not worth it. And it's not worth driving everyone crazy in here with you giving us a second by second play of everything you are doing. [21:09] Angevin that's all [21:09] Quiznos slackware comes with minimal packages so you fail in your last proposition [21:09] unfortunately firefox isnt starting... [21:09] Angevin not really; it's quite varied [21:09] Angevin everyone installs more regardless of dist [21:10] Quiznos the available tgz packages for third party software is small [21:10] bs [21:10] heh [21:10] rhys (n=rhysrhav@66.102.98.194.ip.anet.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:10] not BS [21:10] now you're just making stuff up [21:10] lol [21:10] Quiznos no I'm not [21:10] yea you are [21:10] t0, yes i had slack-vi dyslexia before, i did mean .vimrc (not .virc) [21:10] Quiznos at least the offical third party tgz packages [21:10] Quiznos: dont feed the troll [21:10] so what [21:10] i give up. slackware fails. [21:10] macavity he's no troll [21:10] he's a pest [21:10] Angevin: dumb bitches? Last time i check i wasn't a female dog in heat. [21:11] Quiznos: really, just ignore him while i get staffers [21:11] diffent kinda creature [21:11] no dont pls [21:11] i think I might truy schinous [21:11] Quiznos what kind of creature am I then ? [21:11] compgenius999: thats why 99.9% of us succeed i guess... [21:11] echinous* [21:11] oh, his entire netblock is off freenode in a few secs [21:11] he's a curmudgeon not a troll [21:11] how about you guys just pm then [21:11] that kinds [21:11] that is one peeve of mine, i personally dislike the default vi->elvis stuff (but i guess i'm alone?) [21:11] i run pico [21:11] i'm just going to stay with ubuntu until slackware works with my usb flash drive without giving me errors. [21:11] !ops ignore whoever complains against Angevin [21:12] compgenius999: kaythxbai [21:12] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl192-19.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:12] is this the taming of the shrew? [21:12] mancha but vim covers that ln [21:12] "Cant we all just get along?" -Rodney King [21:12] nop cant do it corporately. [21:12] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl192-19.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:12] what a cry-baby he was [21:12] man-up! [21:13] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:13] slackware has gotten easier compgenius, but it won't ever be a user friendly distro [21:13] error_developer_ (n=errordev@host86-129-186-150.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [21:13] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [21:13] Action: ngworekara hopes [21:13] yay [21:13] springs eternal [21:13] it was a good question, but i think i know the answer why we cant, its something in all humans that never evolved beyond simple tribalism [21:13] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.240.23) left irc: "Leaving" [21:14] slak gives you choice, its an excersize for the user to learn what those choices are and their meaning [21:14] Who said "official 3rd party tgz packages" [21:14] there's no such thing [21:14] heh [21:14] Quiznos actually slackware doesn't use tgz anymore eh ? [21:14] not tellin [21:14] lz is apparently a better compressor [21:14] Quiznos but you know what I mean regardless of that pedantism [21:14] sure [21:14] jinjii (n=alpha@93-45-77-80.ip101.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. [21:15] ngworekara: i don't agree with you at all. [21:15] Angevin: actually.. yes it does [21:15] see folks, once you get past the pestiness, he hits a grove [21:15] slackware is easy for me ngworekara, just isnt working correctly on my computer [21:15] Angevin: 6 packages in the default installation are still tgz [21:15] lz is a script [21:15] i mean the copmression algo [21:15] lzma [21:15] that too [21:15] lzma != lz :P [21:15] Dominian that's nice it doesn't really matter to me since I never plan on using linux ever again -- I'm definitely skilled enough to use slackware though if I wanted to with no problem [21:15] i guess a pentium4 2.6ghz, usb 2.0, 40gb hard drive, and 52x cd rom just isnt good enough for slackware [21:16] Angevin: Well thats wonderful [21:16] Angevin: But I do ask that you keep your facts straight about the distro in the mean time :) [21:16] Dominian careful yo've been marked as a reactor not a responder [21:16] heh [21:16] he's in troll-mode lol [21:16] rofl [21:16] Action: Dominian isn't worried [21:16] heh [21:16] enabler! [21:16] Action: CaptObviousman accuses Quiznos [21:16] mmm troll barbecue [21:17] heh [21:17] Action: Skywise would prefer to use pitchforks and torches [21:17] nods sure ok [21:17] compgenius999: of course not. one needs the intel prototype 42 core :o [21:17] agentc0re I think that slackware is a little rough on newbies. having a package manager was one of the most useful things possible when I was trying to convert friends to linux [21:17] 32 gigs of ram and a 5 tb hd [21:17] you mean the xeon andarius? [21:17] ngworekara: slackpkg [21:17] no [21:17] done [21:17] ngworekara: we have a package manager [21:17] xeon are for sissies. i mean the 42 core intel [21:17] :D [21:17] ngworekara: Slackware's got a package manager, but I agree with you that it's not exactly newbie friendly. [21:17] pkgtools is the package manager.. slackpkg is a nice interface that uses the same tools contained in pkgtools [21:18] but the available packages are limited [21:18] ngworekara: and? [21:18] ngworekara: slackbuilds.org + sbopkg = heaven [21:18] nothing, I agree [21:18] but for someone just hopping in, aptitude is nicer [21:18] OTOH, it's great for newbies who want to learn about the system as they work out the kinks. [21:18] so my 128 core amd 1 petaflop/s isnt good enough either andarius? [21:18] I figure slackware being the least commercial linux embodies the the anarcho-syndicalist Jewish Communist (GPL) zeitgeist the most out of all linux distros -- workers of the world unite ! We do not need no stinking dependency automated handling etc.. we get our hands dirty and do real work in the delusional workers paradise ! [21:18] ngworekara: that's a judgment call, wouldn't you say? [21:18] yeah which is how I started with slack. but my friends, they just want to get on. [21:18] absolutely. [21:19] compgenius999: not if it is xeon, nope [21:19] Angevin you're losing your grip; you're babbling :) [21:19] mshade (n=mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:19] itanium all the way [21:19] limited? you mean less bloat? i have found everything i've ever wanted that's beyond the distro on SBo. ... Okay, maybe not everything, BUT... slackware doesn't require these "DEV" packages to be installed to compile a program.. [21:19] oh and lol [21:19] ngworekara: give them an ubuntu livecd, they don't even have to install anything onto their harddrive [21:19] but if you want simplicity and user friendlyness, there are distros that are a little more appropriate, in my opinion [21:19] righteeoh,andarius [21:20] godling I did exactly that last year with the last person that I convinced. he is probably still running it unpatched just like he would a copy of windows. [21:20] i ran an ubuntu livecd as an apache + mysql server [21:20] if you use linux you know, ./configure && make && make install when you go to build your own stuff. [21:20] for a week [21:20] http://news.cnet.com/Intel-shows-off-80-core-processor/2100-1006_3-6158181.html [21:20] before the cd drive broke [21:20] some people don't give a jack shit about learning the ins and outs [21:20] youneed one of those :o [21:20] compgenius999: wow... neat..... [21:20] Xires (n=Xires@66.190.79.122) joined ##slackware. [21:20] wow 80? [21:20] ngworekara: well most those people don't use linux. [21:20] yeah i bet that puppy runs cool [21:21] water cooling [21:21] it prolly needs a peltier [21:21] who? [21:21] what, actually [21:21] most my friends are broke agent. my primary selling point for getting them on linux was hey look its free [21:21] heh [21:22] Intel constructed a special motherboard and cooling system for the demonstration in a San Francisco hotel. <-- from the end [21:22] its a electically driven heat pump [21:22] k [21:22] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-137-1.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:22] ngworekara: then you charge them for helping them with their stuff. it's a brilliant business plan [21:22] then my next point was we can connect our music collections via a thing I call "ssh" but don't worry about it cause I'll take care of it [21:22] no I stole all their media. was quite worth it [21:22] I use NetBSD and it is by no means a userfriendly operating system and neither is openbsd (it shuns usability in the name of security) but slackware takes the cake for mental retardedness for having to install a lot of third party packages from source with no dependency handling since it comes with a minimal amount of third party packages even though I think there is a tool for handling those official tgz via dependencies now eh ? [21:22] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [21:22] mental retards ! [21:22] they're not widely used because they're too efficient and often develop frost [21:22] i got my computer for free [21:23] it was made by a 90 year old who didnt want it [21:23] from pasadena? [21:23] everybody! quick! remove slackware and install Open or Net BSD! [21:23] is it a crank-starter? [21:23] i'd install those except i want software too [21:23] pig_pen that is what I would do if I was you [21:23] Angevin (n=kfb@76.15.111.122) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-2.2 -- Are we there yet?" [21:23] Pig_Pen: sir yes sir. Wait, why? :P [21:23] one of them still has the default ubuntu desktop background. [21:23] lol [21:24] neonflux (n=mrjones@76.225.174.73) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:24] Quiznos: knew his wife....fast set o'wheels,indeed...:D [21:24] does not look liek thet want to listen to you Angevin [21:24] macavity: Get it into the devs of go-oo that their build system sucks? [21:24] MLanden heh [21:24] user-160urrq.cable.mindspring.com (76.15.111.122) [21:24] Ubuntu: http://tinyurl.com/omgmymac [21:24] funny, slackware is for mental retards but its users are the ones who dont need dep handling done for them... [21:24] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host81-151-88-93.range81-151.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:24] fire|bird: i am debating in and out with the guy tho maintains the patches to the patches to configure.in [21:25] fire|bird: and no, that was not a joke [21:25] fire|bird: i just produced a patch of a patch of a patch >_< [21:25] lol ew [21:25] macavity: holy..... haha [21:25] thats just perverted [21:25] Slackware works for me, i dont care what anyone thinks, fsck em cause i know where their jive is at [21:26] i'm too lazy to learn another [21:26] fire|bird: so, chrome ftw! works great dude. [21:26] Damn straight,Pig_Pen [21:26] the troll has left the building [21:26] ugh [21:26] Google is in your pants [21:26] soo.... where did this flood of trolls come from? [21:26] agentc0re: awesome. It's been working great here too. :) [21:26] school is back in session [21:26] Pig_Pen: The Internet. [21:26] Pig_Pen: from their mom's basement. ;) [21:26] They only have one mom? [21:26] agentc0re: tbh, what I had read before I thought there'd been more to it to get it running, but it turned out to be really simple. [21:27] :O [21:27] they can't get on the net back home on aol [21:27] bbiab [21:27] someone should chain the trolls down in the basement then order a few cement mixers to bury em in concrete [21:27] why kill yourself? [21:27] Action: Quiznos objects [21:27] superGear: save the planet? [21:28] reduce carbon emissions [21:28] i am not a basement dweller, i am the big daddy in this house [21:28] until your wife comes home [21:28] Nick change: Kamus_H_Zwisch -> Kamus_Away[xi] [21:28] Pig_Pen: be careful, your wife is looking over your shoulder [21:28] Hmm [21:28] naw, she is in the living room watching TV [21:28] i wonder why ips aren't mangled [21:28] it seems like my lockup might be related to the intel graphics drivers... [21:28] Pig_Pen: say that in front of her [21:28] do you google with your with wife? [21:28] Pig_Pen: "I'm the big daddy in this house." [21:29] godling, he isn't stupid [21:29] lol [21:29] heck no, i dont want to sleep on the couch [21:29] I'd say it to my wife. [21:29] lol [21:29] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [21:29] agentc0re, you like the couch tho [21:29] do wives actually do that? [21:29] Nah, she'd just laugh. [21:29] Quiznos, get married and find out [21:29] powtrix (n=powtrix@189.69.27.155) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:29] i havent met MrsQuiznos yet [21:30] http://tinyurl.com/ndva5d [21:30] You'll meet Ms Subway [21:30] compgenius999: no thanks. [21:30] being in here isn't improving your odds btw [21:30] ha agentc0re I'd get laughed out of the kitchen with that too. but, she is making me borscht, so whatever. [21:30] i'll meet her when i go back to skool [21:30] meat* [21:31] ngworekara: hehehe. Ya, in the kitchen where she belongs!! :P [21:31] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.231.5) left irc: "Leaving." [21:31] borscht? i just made a beetroot joke not logn ago [21:31] Men are better cooks [21:31] and me hunched over the computer. the world has gotten weird [21:31] i spend the fist year of our marriage teaching her to cook, then i resign. [21:31] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] lol mancha I saw that [21:31] superGear: right...BEEF...FIRE.....Beer...good...:D [21:32] lol [21:32] women are willing to nag their way to approval of their cooking [21:32] Using dwm, its nice, it would be better with a few tweaks and a nice xinitrc [21:32] dwn? [21:32] dwm* [21:32] dwm* [21:32] did you mess with the config.h fatalnix? [21:32] not yet, I'm gonna [21:32] lol [21:33] I had to do a bit of research to figure out how to use it [21:33] lol [21:33] also, need to get dmenu if you didn't already [21:33] macavity, did you ever get go-oo to compile or did you drop it? [21:33] replay (n=replay@69.26.224.130) joined ##slackware. [21:33] but moving windows and popping them out of tiles was obvious [21:33] MLanden omg, do you know where all the old sitcom actors go when their series ends? [21:33] fire|bird: hey did you remember that guys nick that was also from UT? was only 3 letters... started with an F, i think... [21:33] MLanden to abc's new sitcom on now bahahaha [21:33] Scrubs? [21:33] MLanden two from drew carey's show [21:34] if you search for arch linux conky dwm, there is a thread about getting conky one liners piped into the taskbar [21:34] lol [21:34] one from Scrubs [21:34] lol,Quiznos [21:34] the only problem [21:34] :) [21:34] is that firefox doesnt work. [21:34] ABC sucks [21:34] crista miller and jose from Carey [21:34] use links -g [21:34] thats weird, mine is ok [21:34] try putting it in monacle mode [21:34] alt-M [21:34] then running firefox [21:34] firefox is going to get a damn ribbon like ms-office [21:34] it works on the screen shot I saw but when I start firefox it just doesnt do anything, alright sec [21:35] I hope NOT! [21:35] 3.7 [21:35] unixfool (n=ron@about/slackware/wigglit) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [21:35] Cougartown on abc [21:35] courtney cox [21:35] kleanchap_ (n=chatzill@p5DC30CF6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [21:35] monacle mode doesnt work either for it [21:35] seamonkey loads fine. [21:37] what version of firefox are you using? [21:37] so old that ff has a nag screen now [21:37] lol begging or threatening me to upgrade [21:38] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.231.5) joined ##slackware. [21:38] 2.0 series?!? [21:38] I got that about my flash plugin the other day [21:38] heh not that old [21:38] ugh [21:38] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.231.5) left irc: Client Quit [21:38] which reminded me how much I hated flash [21:38] Wootkiller. [21:38] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.80.83) joined ##slackware. [21:39] The ribbon is one of the few things I think microsoft did a great job with. [21:39] It's so rare to see them come out with something that actually /helps/ you use their software [21:39] what rib? [21:40] one of the reasons I'm looking forward to going to 13.0 for is being able to start experimenting with uzbl and getting off firefox [21:40] hiptobecubic^: you mean the ribbon in office ? [21:40] good night people [21:40] gn [21:40] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [21:40] the ribbon that firefox is talking about adopting [21:41] yes the ribbon from office [21:41] to mean what exactly? [21:41] hiptobecubic^: ok yeah it's nice [21:41] I heard openoffice was as well [21:41] which annoyed me. [21:42] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.231.5) joined ##slackware. [21:42] downloading awesome wm [21:42] and im going to look at ion [21:42] fatalnix, i hated awesome [21:42] really? [21:42] absolutely [21:43] there's no uzbl slackbuild yet? [21:43] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.39.200) joined ##slackware. [21:43] nope [21:43] wow its noticably cooler outside [21:44] and 12.2's gtk isn't compatible [21:44] and I think I'm upgrading to 13.0 this weekend [21:44] evening slackers [21:44] hi [21:44] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.231.5) left irc: Client Quit [21:44] nachox: late to the party are we! [21:45] nachox: Angevin stopped by for a while.. trolled as usual hehe [21:45] someday i am going to cancel my internet subscription and take my PC out in to the back yard and shoot it so many times with my shotgun that there will not be one single piece of salvagable hardware left on it [21:45] agentc0re: you mean lf4? :P He's from SLC [21:45] Good luck,ngworekara...happy tweakin' [21:45] Pig_Pen nice LOL [21:45] Pig_Pen setup a cam [21:45] Pig_Pen you should get a smartphone first. [21:46] fire|bird: ya that's who! [21:46] fire|bird: seen him lately? [21:46] slackmag1c (n=magician@173.74.42.18) joined ##slackware. [21:46] no [21:46] not for a few days [21:46] lag? [21:46] MLanden this _Cougartown_ sitcom is kinda funi [21:46] Quiznos: kool [21:47] thanks ML. I'm a little nervous, only reason I haven't yet is I'm going to 64 [21:47] Courtney's in a bikini undergarment [21:47] mmm [21:47] no Jennifer Aniston?!?....:C [21:47] nop [21:47] gonna try ion! [21:47] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:47] she does movies [21:48] and sea turtles [21:48] heh [21:48] Action: ngworekara has pix [21:48] [ in bed ] [21:48] gn bird [21:48] Dominian, sorry mate, i just got home from the university [21:48] gn? I'm not leaving. [21:48] o [21:48] lol [21:49] so what are the chances of ants eating a floor-based usb-hd? [21:49] nachox: nah no worrise [21:49] he left once everyone ignored him [21:49] Dominian, this channel does has public logs though, so you're free to show me what happened and it'll be dealt with [21:49] or a usb-enclosure that's vented [21:49] nachox: heh [21:49] nachox NONONO [21:49] he's not a troll; he's a pest [21:49] and a curmudgeon [21:49] stop exalting him [21:49] nachox: I really think he got more upset when we answered his FUD with real answers honestly. [21:49] lol [21:49] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [21:50] He said somethng about us being retards and then left. [21:50] he did calm down [21:50] but dom poked him again [21:50] i had him al calm [21:50] lol [21:50] nah he didn't calm down.. I answered his question. [21:50] after you poked him [21:50] He was just looking for any reason to complain about nothing. [21:50] see it's your fault [21:50] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:50] well when I run ion... [21:50] it works in an xterm [21:50] and then you poked him after i calmed him down [21:50] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:50] Dominian, yeah... that usually leads to violence :) [21:51] if I put it in xinitrc my cpu whines and then x shuts down [21:51] nachox: yah [21:51] like physicly makes noise [21:51] fatalnix lol [21:51] might not be the cpu [21:51] MLanden remember the series that rebecca romaijn did on the WB a few years ago? [21:51] I figured it was the fan but weird [21:52] fatalnix: might try installing that over the weekend on the desktop with the new upgrade [21:52] I am using xterm in xinitrc thats it, anyways... got any other tiling wm's that are nice? [21:52] fatalnix buh [21:52] rat? [21:52] ratpoison is cool [21:52] trewm [21:52] treewm [21:52] hmm [21:52] I'll check it out [21:52] Quiznos: rebecca romaijn? [21:52] lemme get fluxbox [21:52] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:52] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:53] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC30BFE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Connection timed out [21:53] damn [21:53] actress [21:53] ex-stamos wife [21:53] John Stamos [21:54] John Stamos's ex-wife right Ugly Betty [21:54] Jack 'n Jill? [21:54] fatalnix q. v. http://www.iyiz.com/20-most-simple-and-cool-x-window-managers-for-linux/ [21:55] MLanden yea, she was talking to Conan last night [21:55] Ooh, a list of the top 20 WMs to avoid in the future :D [21:55] really lsd? [21:55] spicy l'il number..:D [21:55] i dont think so [21:55] MLanden she was sporting a respectable pony tail last night [21:55] mmm [21:56] lol [21:56] .........WHIP........OUCH...lol [21:56] there are 20 window managers? [21:56] looks like there are far too many programmers [21:56] anyway, in the previous series, there was another actress in the series, a brunette; there's a new series starting later wiht Rebecca, and the brunette is playing too [21:56] nachox more; i have alot of em in my Archive/ [21:57] for people who count with their fingers and toes...:D [21:57] Quiznos: simple WMs were cool in 1998, but trading functionality for "minimalism" in an age where even the cheapest new computers have the resources to do more just doesn't sit well with me. [21:57] LSD` ok' that's a thoughtful rebuttal; tyvm [21:57] ''''' [21:58] I might try fluxbox again, but xfce is so delicious i can't see why i should [21:58] heh [21:58] I can't figure out why you wouldn't want a panel [21:58] LSD` i'm a serious anti-mooser (like anti-wire) but more-so :) [21:59] guis are fine for visual presentation but i'm a textual kinda guy given what i mainly use the box for [21:59] you can do a lot without the mouse in most wm/de's [21:59] I leave my trackpad turned off most of the time [21:59] yea but they usually need setup phfase [22:00] MLanden series on ABC now [22:00] rebecca;s [22:00] Not any more than anything else, you just need to learn what the default keys are [22:00] that's troo [22:00] I can move/resize windows, open programs, browse(vimperator), etc without the mouse just fine [22:00] i'm kinda interested in blackbox atm but i'm wanting dynamic menu generation [22:00] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.231.5) joined ##slackware. [22:00] nods [22:01] Quiznos, does fluxbox have dynamic menus or is it just openbox? [22:01] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.231.5) left irc: Client Quit [22:01] i duno; i havent peeked there yet [22:02] hiptobecubic^: dynamic menus as in you edit the menu config file and the changes are immediate? If yes, then yes! :) [22:02] Nick change: slackmag1c -> slackmagic [22:03] hiptobecubic^ to me, dynamic means when i click on a menu element, some dir (maybe click on a sublist) makes a list of one of the dirs lists [22:03] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:03] like of $path or some menulist [22:03] element [22:03] Quiznos: Have you seen the newer Doctor Who's with Billie Piper..think Romijn and Piper could cancel each other out lookin' so similar [22:03] slackmagic, no like the menu is the result of a script that runs when the menu is called [22:04] MLanden nop; but mmm. R is very stylish; especially the hair length and tailed :) [22:04] (my name is Quiznos and i have a problem :) [22:04] hiptobecubic^: ah ok, haven't played with that yet, so I couldn't tell ya [22:04] a hair fetish :) [22:04] lol [22:04] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:04] MLanden a recent Who episode? [22:04] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) left irc: "Leaving" [22:04] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [22:05] Hey [22:05] fatalnix hold [22:05] irssi is weird in echinus [22:05] ? [22:05] fatalnix q. v. http://www.iyiz.com/20-most-simple-and-cool-x-window-managers-for-linux/ [22:05] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billie_Piper yeah,Quiznos [22:05] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [22:05] ok [22:05] firedix (n=firedix@host191.201-252-158.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [22:05] ah, thanks [22:06] yw [22:06] found that a few days ago [22:08] bbs [22:08] st:tng [22:10] gonna try something [22:12] quiznos that article was cool, but it seemed like lots of the screenshots they included would require extra tools to setup [22:13] esom (i=dca354f3@gateway/web/freenode/x-fcwmbhwfbvrnoxet) joined ##slackware. [22:14] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) joined ##slackware. [22:17] marchhare (n=marchhar@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:18] i wish kernel.org could post the incremental changelog log for the rc releases instead of just the patches [22:18] esom (i=dca354f3@gateway/web/freenode/x-fcwmbhwfbvrnoxet) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [22:20] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [22:23] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-145-111.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. 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[22:39] engrxyz (n=zcvzxcvx@host81-143-50-89.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: Client Quit [22:41] hiptobecubic^: I like this one better: http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/090909/shamanic-interview-technique.gif [22:41] :) [22:41] toothpastefordinner is really hit or miss [22:41] papajack (n=papajack@unaffiliated/papajack) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:42] kinda like xkcd at first. now it's like Randall Munroe keeps a funny-laying midget chained under his desk and kicks it everytime he wants a new comic [22:43] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:44] dngr (n=dngr@n11649135131.netvigator.com) left irc: "disconnecting from stoned server." [22:44] dngr (n=dngr@116.49.135.131) joined ##slackware. [22:47] godling: http://s.wsj.net/media/0917pod08a.jpg [22:48] gnubien: wazzat? [22:48] are there lights on it from behind the camera? [22:49] t0_ (n=t0@brln-4dbab966.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] otherwise it looks sort of shopped [22:49] t0_ (n=t0@brln-4dbab966.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:49] godling: german archetecture, its at fark.com for more info [22:49] fisheye lens [22:50] looks like an amphitheater on a lake, at night [22:50] yeah ananke [22:50] http://www.foundshit.com/pictures/design/brick-building-03.jpg <- closed for business [22:50] godling: its a pix of a dome building with a reflecting pond in foreground [22:51] ok, now no more links :) [22:51] lest I get yelled at [22:51] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [22:51] ananke: right [22:52] replay (n=replay@69.26.224.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:52] hey did any one figure out from where download the qnx source ? [22:53] s/where/where to/ [22:53] its seems they have intentionally made it confusing :-/ [22:53] as for modern architecture I like the sydney opera house, the alexandria library, the csail building at MIT and that bridge in the UK [22:53] I probably like more but I can't think of it all right now [22:53] godling: tower bridge? ;) [22:53] godling: there is a crooked building link at fark.com too, with pix [22:54] BP{k}: the one that rotates [22:55] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [22:55] godling: http://weburbanist.com/2009/09/22/10-peculiarly-precarious-buildings/ [22:56] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:56] oh I get it!!! 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[22:58] Quiznos: i think this is the way to get it http://community.qnx.com/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.core_os/wiki/Os_source_guide [22:58] init[1] rephrase; i have something in Files/os/u/qnx [22:59] i have qnx-rtp; but not a fat pipe [22:59] godling: ah, I think you meant the Gateshead Milennium Bridge. :) [22:59] .iso [22:59] init[1] wanna try it from here? [23:00] Quiznos: you mean to download it from yours ? [23:00] yea [23:00] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.99) left irc: "out" [23:00] Action: init[1] giggles , [23:00] heh girl! [23:00] g IRL [23:00] Quiznos: mine is a 10KB/s [23:00] t0 (n=t0@brln-4dbc06a3.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:00] do you still wana suffer from me ? [23:00] try it [23:00] Zexan (n=me@unaffiliated/zexan) left irc: [23:00] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.231.5) joined ##slackware. [23:00] Quiznos: what is the size? [23:00] ananias.ath.cx; but descend manwilly so you see what else i have; :) [23:00] fhobia (n=fhobia@67.188.69.121) joined ##slackware. [23:01] umm [23:01] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-145-111.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [23:01] 463+meg [23:01] omg! 15hrs [23:01] at 10k/s? wow [23:01] Quiznos: do you have such a good uptime ? [23:01] yea [23:01] Quiznos: that's cool, usually the hardware presupposes the programming language [23:01] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:01] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [23:01] tundar isnt forecast [23:01] afaik [23:01] :P [23:02] i'm checking that [23:02] godling what? lost context [23:02] godling oh; well 60s and 70s hw [23:02] Quiznos: burroughs large systems [23:02] nods [23:02] yeah, like lisp machines I guess [23:02] not afairc [23:03] lispiness wasnt buroughish [23:03] Quiznos: is this your address ananias.ath.cx [23:03] yea [23:03] (in that it was designed to work with existing software) [23:03] Quiznos: i can't find you [23:03] i read a desc of their boxes that said highly reconfiurable [23:03] Kumool (n=Monevo@adsl-64-237-231-19.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] I'm liking awesome a lot. thisl help keep people from playing with my stuff [23:03] do you mind giving the actuall ip in PM ? [23:03] daem is up [23:03] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [23:03] Quiznos: 'server not found' [23:04] http://ananias.ath.cx/ [23:04] not found [23:04] oh i know; i gotta poke dyndns [23:04] hold on [23:04] fatalnix_: including you! [23:04] I figured that was the reason Quiznos [23:05] Kumool (n=Monevo@adsl-64-237-231-19.prtc.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0"). [23:05] lol. [23:06] my nick is uncloakd and correct IP embeded [23:06] alctually I have already adapted to it [23:06] Quiznos is trusting, like a child. [23:06] heh [23:06] not quite [23:06] but i have my moments [23:06] Quiznos, i got some land for sale if you want to buy it [23:07] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:07] mmm land; where? [23:07] whoa; rhianna (TMZ report) is lookin good in NYC [23:07] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-80-61.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] bah tmz [23:07] gossipy blah blah [23:07] and the emmy's this weekend were all fleshy [23:08] lots-o-cleavage' [23:08] scorchsaber_ (n=scorch@user65-127.vicres.utoronto.ca) joined ##slackware. [23:08] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "test34" [23:08] lotsa red too [23:08] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [23:08] Action: init[1] away brb [23:08] getting? [23:08] macius_ (n=macius@i209-195-66-56.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [23:09] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:09] superGear: location of land for sale? [23:09] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:10] superGear yea wth is it? [23:10] i just need you to sell me the rights to it tho [23:11] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Client Quit [23:11] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [23:11] lots of high-n-dry swamp land 20 miles east of miami florida ;) [23:12] heh [23:12] too far south [23:12] i need land in the megalopolis [23:12] Quiznos: you in sarasota or ft.myers? [23:12] in tween [23:13] Quiznos: naples [23:13] you're there? [23:13] juice__ (i=juice@ice-cold.net) joined ##slackware. [23:13] http://gizmodo.com/5366186/intel-light-peak-optical-tech-achieves-insane-10gbs-speeds [23:13] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.143.126) joined ##slackware. [23:13] Quiznos: no, east coast near kennedy space center [23:14] ah [23:14] wakeup (n=wakeup@koln-5d8177b5.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:14] Quiznos: florida is a big sand box, cat's love it here ;) [23:15] lol' a sand bar where a good quake will disruppt it totally; fun there [23:15] macius (n=macius@i209-195-66-56.cia.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:15] shocking liquifaction. [23:16] Quiznos: yea, a land slide of one of the volcanoes in the canary islands could send a tidal wave 600 feet high to the east coast [23:16] neat! [23:16] surf's up! [23:16] sounds like Los Angeles [23:16] i'm not enjoying myself down here [23:16] LA is just a huge basin [23:16] too humid, no mass transit; fdot doesnt know how to build roads [23:16] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [23:16] that's why earthquakes suck [23:17] godling: LA is a great big freeway [23:17] Quiznos: miss winter? [23:17] death valley is a dry lake [23:17] MLanden seriously, i do. [23:17] how can you have a dry lake? [23:17] i miss 4 seasons; leaf de-photosynthising [23:17] no water [23:17] lol [23:17] the bed remains [23:18] but not the covers... [23:18] it's not a lake :P [23:18] lowest place on the n. american continent [23:18] mank (n=jerware@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [23:18] hi [23:18] lake bed [23:18] that implies it is under a lake [23:18] :P [23:18] i heard a few days ago 30F up north [23:18] i pine [23:18] when installing a program with wine that requires you to reboot, since it's not really windows, a reboot is not necessary. correct? [23:19] godling well; there's always water below [23:19] Death Valley is a desert. [23:19] correct [23:19] thx [23:19] except [23:19] only uber-gurus install libs and dont reboot [23:19] and kernels too [23:19] I've camped all over the California desert [23:19] why? [23:19] he was high [23:20] because it's enlightening [23:20] cant move further east? [23:20] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:20] "This looks like a swell spot!" [23:20] heh [23:20] go live in the real desert for a week. you learn a lot about yourself [23:20] antiwire: what's the area that U2 talked about? Joshua Trees? [23:20] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:20] i'm bringing a tree [23:20] scorchsaber (n=scorch@user65-127.vicres.utoronto.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:20] i miss the 914 area code [23:20] Cal city, El mirage, Jawbone, death valley [23:21] antiwire: I haven't been all over, but I've been as far south as thermal [23:21] that was for a rave [23:21] I've never been to California [23:21] never will [23:21] i crossed the might miss once [23:21] no, wait [23:21] never say never [23:21] twice [23:21] i think [23:21] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [23:21] Never [23:21] I've been across the Mississippi a couple times. [23:22] between Eau Claire Wisconsin and the TwinCities [23:22] I just stay in Canada. It's warm enough as it is. [23:22] i just went back and forth; Eau Claire was more interesting [23:22] velusip: you don't get gang riots in Canadia though [23:22] canadia? [23:22] lol [23:22] Of course you do. However, it's usually children killing eachother in the streets. [23:22] hockey fans [23:23] drug wars. [23:23] It's always about drugs [23:23] Canadian hockey fans == US football fans [23:23] cousin was telling me of some real rough spots 'round Montreal [23:23] == Brazilian soccer fans [23:23] I'm not talking about healthy fights, I'm talking about teens shooting eachother to death downtown. [23:24] pffft [23:24] that happens all the time [23:24] Well it's still unfortunate. could have been slaves or something useful [23:24] lol [23:25] gvt is the only people making money on slaves [23:25] juice__ (i=juice@ice-cold.net) left irc: "bbl" [23:25] Most humans are just burnt to a crisp. They don't even make decent fertilizer. [23:25] macius_ (n=macius@i209-195-66-56.cia.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:25] slaves? [23:26] hi [23:26] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.99) joined ##slackware. [23:26] Heyos [23:27] godling a "slave" is an employee as classified in law [23:27] when you work for someone else, you do what they tell you to do; that is the essence of slavery. [23:28] jjohnson (n=root@officegateway.ethostream.com) joined ##slackware. [23:28] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-179-140.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:28] in and of itself, there's nothing wrong with being a slave (employee) but it's when abuses occur, that's when it becomes a problem. [23:29] figuratively. If you yourself are helpless on your own, then slavery is a pretty good option! [23:29] nods [23:29] not "figuratvely" tho. [23:29] it's just business. [23:29] Well, still not owned. you have the freedom to quit and be hopeless elsewhere. [23:29] :P [23:30] sure [23:30] so not a slave then [23:30] but that's a recognised birth-right. [23:30] a slave is a employee. [23:30] they are equivalent in the eyes of law [23:30] tell that to a black man in the US :P [23:30] troo [23:30] but shock a white man more. [23:30] Quiznos , an employee can stop working for his employer.. but can a slave stop being a slave? [23:31] if you use the term wage slave it makes it easier to communicate the concept Quiznos :) [23:31] that would have to be subjectively answered. [23:31] nods [23:32] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Success [23:32] dios_mio a slave (emp.) can start his own business and be freer but probably not free of gvot [23:32] a slave is a slave without a contract.. he is either captured or born to slave parents... but an employee voluntarily enters a contract with the employer, and works for a wage [23:32] there's always a contract/agreement [23:32] it may be parol or written [23:32] Quiznos , stop pretend slave and employee are synonymous [23:32] not my fiction; it's the law's [23:32] there is no contract in slavery [23:32] sure there is [23:32] the slave is forced into [23:33] not always [23:33] Action: rworkman struggles to come to terms with the fact that he is agreeing with dios_mio [23:33] employment is a matter of contract [23:33] However, I'd also recommend that this conversation be taken elsewhere. [23:33] i've studied contract and law for alot of years [23:33] dios_mio all exchange is a matter of contract [23:34] yes boss! [23:34] ;P [23:34] I'm no man's master. [23:34] spook: Just for you: http://rlworkman.net/images/saloon.jpg [23:34] Fortunately my boss is hot. Even getting fired would be a deligh-- after the fact. [23:34] heh [23:35] Quiznos , he tells us to shut up.. but everybody knows that slavery and employment are two seperate things.. what seperates them is mainly that there is voluntary agreement in one, and not in the other.. besides employees have rights.. but slaves can be killed even without it being a crime, they have no rights [23:35] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) joined ##slackware. [23:35] I am done [23:35] sorry rworkman [23:35] damn, i need to respond to that :) [23:35] No worries. It was only a recommendation. [23:35] /msg [23:35] good [23:35] a shorty one [23:35] Nothing ontopic seems to be happening. [23:36] I just see some links to web-sites. [23:36] Quiznos , why do you even have the need to emphasize the synonymity of slavery and employment if they are obviously the same thing? [23:36] so um, anybody change the master/slave jumper on their hds lately ? [23:36] Quiznos , and why do you present it as if it is a new discovery? iuf they are the same thing, how come most people think they are two different things? [23:36] dios_mio as i defined earlier above, slavery is equivalent to employment; and there is always a contract in both. it's the nature of personal negotiation. one makes an offer, the offeree accepts or rejects. [23:36] fhobia << Seems like I don't have to anymore. I was doing some tricky business earlier today and not once did I have to change anything in hardware. [23:37] dios_mio the meaning of words comes into play on that point. [23:38] Quiznos , it is very rare that a person shuld sell himiself as a slave, or deprecates into a slave because of his debt... most of the time it was war captives that are sold into slavery... and further children born to slave became automatically slaves.. there is no contract here [23:38] yea i know; i never said i was writing a catch-all [23:39] Quiznos , further a slave doesn't get an agreed upon wage.. he just gets whatever his master deems right, and that is usually just basic food and shelter to keep him alive [23:39] but the law has a view to this thread and i've generally stated it. [23:39] dios_mio but you need to expand your view of the issue. it's not limited to what you write. [23:39] Winner (n=vlamir@200.143.140.58) joined ##slackware. [23:39] Winner (n=vlamir@200.143.140.58) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [23:39] Don't be a hippy! Stay on target! [23:39] Quiznos , can a slave tell his master "I dont want to be a slave anymore, our contract is cancelled, good bye"? an employee can do that [23:40] a employee is a voluntary slave. [23:40] involuntary slavery is verbooten [23:40] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-135-10.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:40] Quiznos , I dont think you are sincerely doing philosophy here.. you have an agenda to associate employment to slavery, for ideological reasons [23:40] unless the employee feels like loosing health care and a steady paycheck because we all know how easy it is to get a job and pay for medical bills [23:40] Quiznos , you just want to "raise consciousness" against capitalism, with word games [23:40] dios_mio perhaps; i'll attend to that. [23:41] no, that's not my purpose [23:41] Quiznos , right [23:41] i dont have a prob with capitalism [23:41] Quiznos , yeah right [23:41] oh no, political jargon... [23:41] I'm out. [23:41] ok [23:41] gn [23:41] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left ##slackware. [23:42] night,folks...talk with all later [23:42] gn [23:42] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-80-61.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [23:42] i feel like a slave to my job, if i quit i loose my income that i need, and the health insurance that i normally wouldnt have. I can quit but i risk not getting another job and becoming another useless hobo in life [23:42] that is called "risk assessment" and making a decision. [23:43] just like going to college [23:43] that's also called "a reason to drink heavily" [23:43] risk 80 grand for and education that might not get you anywhere in life [23:43] which is my way of dealing with it [23:43] nods [23:43] you are a slave to nature and circumstances.. not to a person... there is a big difference... we all have to submit to time and nature.. if you dont work you will starve, "hence I have to work"... but this is different from "if I dont work my master will shoot me" [23:43] Which is what i am doing now :D [23:43] Action: Instained_Atom puts a nipple on his bottle of crown royal and curls up into a fetal position [23:43] lol [23:44] i may have every cert, a bachlers in comp sci but i bet around here ill still be doing 9$ hr help desk for the rest of my life [23:44] dios_mio IMO your use of the word is unnecesarily restricted. [23:44] agentc0re: I got chromium on the laptop now to. \o/ [23:44] s/to/too/ [23:44] fire|bird: sweetness dude! [23:44] yay [23:44] i'm wondering why vlc in full screen mode is not above my kde menubar [23:44] any idea ? [23:44] jjohnson: gotta start somewhere. but i think you can do better than $9 [23:44] Quiznos , I am using it in its common meaning... you are the one trying to expand its meaning beyondthe common use just to trash capitalism [23:45] ok that's your opine. but again i state that i am not against capitalism (i'm no friend of Moore either) [23:45] dios_mio: are you the same "dios_mio" that I recall from before? :D [23:45] rworkman , yes [23:45] Perhaps you were drunk or I was drunk. :/ [23:46] rworkman , just because I am dumb in linux doesnt mean I am dumb in everything else :P [23:46] haha [23:46] Or maybe my memory just isn't specific enough. Good point. [23:47] ... and today, I learned that sometimes I'm too judgmental. Just FYI. :) [23:47] :) [23:47] no problems [23:47] well, you were a cop :P [23:47] i wish but places want experience, and they want certs. so untill i have both im sticking to this job lol [23:48] haha [23:48] @godling [23:48] maybe a stupid question; is there a way you can wrap a screen session, detach it, then send it to another machine so the original host can, say, reboot? [23:48] the remote can be attached to from anywhere [23:48] I recall reading about something that could theoretically do that, but I don't recall what it was [23:49] so whos using slackware 13 right now besides me lol [23:49] Action: Dominian raises his hand [23:49] I was using it before it was even released :P [23:49] jjohnson: i don't want certs. I want someone who is competent. I can teach you what i need you to know. [23:49] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-43.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:49] rworkman: so probably a source hunt for me hmm? [23:49] the remote can be attached to from anywhere [23:50] agentcore, i agree too bad everyone in this state is hire the idiots for less and fire em when they suck [23:50] Quiznos: how? screen -r ? [23:50] jjohnson: where are you? [23:50] wisconsin [23:50] 90% of factory workforce is foriegn lol [23:50] Quiznos: how? screen -r :session[name]? [23:50] jjohnson: do you know the Delawyer family? [23:50] vastina duno; i'm just answering on the conceptual nature of screen [23:50] nope [23:51] Quiznos: weak answer then... [23:51] Plat (n=Monad@c-68-44-224-153.hsd1.de.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:51] k [23:51] Action: vastina will just man it [23:51] jjohnson: Well my advice is to pretend to know it all. Act confident. If hired, google is at your mercy. [23:51] hehehe, its all our techs favorite tools [23:52] they may not know how to do the simplest of things ,but give em google and they can do miricles [23:52] vastina: just to make sure I understand you: For example, you have a screen session on box1, and you want to "freeze" that process and everything it's doing, send it to box2, then reattach to the screen session (which is now on box2) and reboot box1? [23:52] jjohnson: it's impossible for you to remember ever in and out of windows plus for each of it's versions. [23:52] rworkman: awwww your kid looks so cute [23:53] for that i have screenshots.modemhelp.net [23:53] vastina: if so, I *think* it was PiterPunk who mentioned some experimental software long ago which does that. No idea what it was or if it works [23:53] spo :thanks :) [23:53] er. [23:53] spook: ^ [23:53] rworkman: yes exactly, sorry was grabbin a beer [23:53] jjohnson: I've never been to school. Didn't have work experience. Just had my A+ and Net+... Started out over $12 an hr. This was in 2004. Current day, i am a Net/Sys admin and i manage the shit out of all shit in IT. ;) [23:53] spook: yeah.. good thing the kid looks like her mom [23:53] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:53] rworkman, i'm reading man, i think it might be possible, need to look depper into it though [23:54] vastina: I think this describes what you want -> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6340 <- under Sessions [23:54] mingdao: cheers [23:54] vastina: PiterPunk just replied - google for ckpt [23:54] though I might not exactly understand what you're asking [23:54] checking it out [23:54] ah, yeah [23:54] ckpt? [23:54] ckpt? [23:54] oh wrong window [23:54] lol [23:54] especially since helpdesk around here is 5% win95,98,me/ 10% 2000,/ 40% XP/ 30 % vista/ 10% Mac / 4% linux /1 % windows 7 [23:54] I was like, random? [23:55] http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~zandy/ckpt/ [23:55] vastina: checkpoint. You can suspend a process and then restore it [23:55] Checkpoint/Restart eh? [23:55] whats the diff tween chlpt and unexec()? [23:55] checkpointing [23:55] it's no longer maintained... but might interest me [23:55] vastina: ckpt itself is old, but you can search for newer checkpoint technologies. Looking on LWN, seems to that there is some movement on this area [23:56] PiterPunk: thank you [23:56] masterx831 (n=masterx8@adsl-235-218-21.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:56] I use this on my Lab project, to move executing process from one node to another. [23:57] Anyone up for another drink? :D [23:57] yea [23:57] Action: vastina cracks open an oskar blues yella pilsner [23:57] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) joined ##slackware. [23:57] agentcore, i dont have my certs yet. I was a sysadmin for a furniture manufacturer that went under do to being sold to no one, i made 8.50hr back in 2003 and lived a block a way from work. Problem was no papers saying i knew stuff. Now i am helpdesk for hotel internet, and a student at ITT tech. i travel 600miles a week for job and school and only make 9$ hr with no raises in future (no one ever gets one here). but hopefully i can move bac [23:57] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.231.5) left irc: "Leaving." [23:57] I'm having a terrible time with my wireless USB mouse in Xorg under a fresh Slack 13_x86 install. The mouse cursor tends to reset, returning to the center of the screen whenever I attempt to move it. Is there a way to remedy this? [23:58] plat x running && gpm running [23:58] ? [23:58] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [23:59] Yes, GPM is running perfectly and as expected [23:59] and X is up at the moment too [23:59] is x using gpm? [23:59] why would you be using gpm with X? [23:59] I don't believe X is using gpm [23:59] hold for the answer [23:59] then you don't need gpm running :) [23:59] was gpm started with -R [23:59] Action: agentc0re cheers vastina [23:59] i guess the only thing besides distance i dont like about the job is that i have to deal with idiots instead of doing real troubleshooting, i mean how many people out there cant frigen connect to a wireless [00:00] --- Thu Sep 24 2009