[00:00] hi all :-) [00:02] howdy [00:04] xD [00:06] triplc (~triplc@118.70.126.21) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:07] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.244) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:08] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.3.248.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [00:09] pprkut (hwiesinger@slackbuilds.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:09] pprkut (hwiesinger@slackbuilds.org) joined ##slackware. [00:11] tsccof (~tsccof@201-35-190-32.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:12] does makepkg create a doinst.sh automatically? [00:13] or is the user supposed to know what to code according to the package he wants to build? [00:13] yes and no [00:13] Equ1n0x (1000@189-46-221-190.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:13] XGizzmo: thanks, will read makepkg's code to understand it [00:14] newslacker (~root@207-119-200-122.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [00:14] makepkg will create a doinst.sh if there are symlinks in the package [00:14] sukaeto (~sukaeto@pool-173-49-229-225.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Why can't I just eat my waffle? [00:15] everything else is up to the person making the package/ [00:15] XGizzmo: but how does it "know" there are symlinks? [00:15] it scans for them [00:15] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:15] XGizzmo: I mean, how does it know what symlinks it is supposed to create? [00:15] Equ1n0x (1000@189-46-221-190.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:15] XGizzmo: some doinst.sh scripts create symlinks [00:16] wx-widgets, for instance [00:16] makepkg looks for symlinks in the directory, if they are there, it asks if you want to remove them and have doinst.sh create them instead [00:16] ahh! thanks gniks [00:17] hence makepkg -l y [00:17] erm, what is the advantage of doing that? [00:17] :P [00:18] you don't have a ton of little files that might link to nothing if the user doesn't have dependencies& its an overall cleaner package [00:19] gniks: thanks again :) [00:19] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] np :) [00:24] newslacker (~root@207-119-200-122.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [00:27] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [00:27] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [00:32] mrcarrot (~lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) joined ##slackware. [00:33] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.3.248.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:34] mrcoffee (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:38] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:39] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. 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[01:17] heya folks [01:18] pattwo (~pat@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [01:18] bbl... going to swap the monitor of one customer [01:22] omg #1897 [01:30] Urugami (~AndChat@adsl-240-174-165.msy.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:38] Action: byteframe finds /usr/games/pom [01:38] The Moon is Full. [01:39] byteframe: match it with ddate..:) [01:39] Is there a weather type program? [01:39] rhisa (~rhisa@ool-457ab193.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [01:39] rhisa (~rhisa@ool-457ab193.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Changing host [01:39] rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) joined ##slackware. [01:40] MLanden, I like it!@ [01:40] byteframe: sweet [01:40] I need more funny little apps like that for my php site. [01:40] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-96-125.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:40] LIttle games/ apps etc, Let me know if you can think of other good ones. [01:43] byteframe: comb through the conky forums on both ubuntu and arch linux,there's bound to be something..:) [01:46] root___ (~root@187.78.28.64) joined ##slackware. [01:47] root___ (~root@187.78.28.64) left irc: Client Quit [01:48] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:49] logia_th (~nmo@81.37.12.41) joined ##slackware. [01:49] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [01:54] nille_ (1000@m83-178-158-9.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [01:59] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:01] rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) left irc: Quit: rhisa [02:02] icarus-c (icarus-c@unaffiliated/icarus-c) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). 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[02:26] what config file do u go to to change the display manger [02:27] tecra (~fake.emai@70-36-146-98.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [02:27] <[sergiu]> where is needed to put "modprobe ath9k" to run automaticaly at reboot? [02:28] [sergiu]: you could add it to /etc/rc.d/rc.local [02:29] ..or add a file in /etc/modprobe.d [02:30] <[sergiu]> yes..i need somthing like this [02:30] <[sergiu]> .. /etc/rc.d/anotherfile.rc [02:30] <[sergiu]> i use live slax, and i need this to make modules [02:31] well, the "better" way would be to add a file in /etc/modprobe.d, as this is where all modules are loaded on default [02:31] <[sergiu]> lzm modules of slax loading after system modprobe,etc :( [02:32] newslacker: do you have another displaymanager installed ? [02:32] isnt there xdm as well as kdes [02:32] i recently installed slim and i changed rc.4 as described in readme file [02:33] newslacker: you could run xwmconfig [02:34] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [02:34] doesnt that just change your desktop [02:34] im talking about the tool that manages that [02:35] xdm kdm and gdm [02:35] newslacker: ah, the login manager [02:36] have you looked in /etc/rc.d/rc.4 ? [02:36] asteroid (~asteroid@78.119.84.68) joined ##slackware. [02:36] asteroid (~asteroid@78.119.84.68) left irc: Changing host [02:36] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [02:37] asarch (~asarch@187.132.136.170) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:38] im there now [02:39] newslacker: take a look at slackbook http://www.slackbook.org/html/book.html chapter6.5 [02:39] but i dont see anything that lets me switch between displays [02:39] just 1 to tell it to use a radeon driver [02:41] i dont see the file in it that lets you comment out the 1 you dont want to use and change it to the 1 you do want to use [02:41] and im looking at the book i have a hard copy of it [02:46] Coke (~coke@c-3ebee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [02:47] Action: mrcarrot is liking xdm... [02:51] mrcarrot: kicks the living daylight out of gdm and kdm :) [02:52] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [02:53] tecra (~fake.emai@adsl-75-20-202-34.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:56] i just happens to like simple tools that you can find in almost every single *nix installation included as default [02:56] xdm is doing well the work of providing a log in prompt [02:57] sometimes i am using just console login and making .bashrc to fire up X [02:58] anyone know why an old keyboard would slow booting? [02:58] sure it's the old keyboard doing it? [02:58] no [02:58] but when i put a usb keyboard on it, it seemed a lot faster [02:58] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-137.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:00] mrcarrot: xdm have several advantages over gdm and kdm [03:00] no deps on huge libs, very compliant and has a simple, regular unix-style config [03:01] yeah... what hate is to have a lot of lib deps... [03:02] i wish either qt or gtk would die so i would not need to have both in the memory at the same time [03:02] preferable that gtk would die [03:02] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-165.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. 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[03:10] yht (~yht@118.96.121.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:14] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:15] hey guys, i'm wondering if someone can point me to where i could find info about how to configure lilo to allow dos/windows to boot from second hard drive, thinking it was the first? [03:16] it used to be commonly done, but i forget how [03:16] http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/LILO.html#ss6.2 [03:16] Motoko-chan: thanks, i mean it [03:17] heya. which is better. Openntpd or ntp ? [03:18] i read somewhere on debian buglist, don't use openntpd on linux. [03:18] Last I heard, ntp was a bit more sane in how it works. [03:18] nille_ (1000@m83-178-158-9.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:18] why ? [03:18] ntpd maybe? [03:18] Something about not implementing checking the "correct" way, I believe. [03:18] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:19] That's been a while, so it might be better now. [03:19] well, i read that if your time is drifting more than 300s, openntpd takes about 7 days to correct it. [03:19] how's ntp ? [03:19] I usually just stick with proven solutions. [03:19] which is ? [03:20] ntp [03:20] It's the reference. [03:20] long (long@115.173.26.162) left ##slackware. [03:20] the one that came with slack ? [03:21] ananke: you can to the -g (?) option when starting for initial large jumps [03:21] alisonken1lap: no -g arg for openntpd [03:21] i guess you mean ntp [03:21] yep - ntp as included with slackware [03:22] alright, i'll switch. thanks guys :) [03:22] ntpd -g <--- "llow the first adjustment to be Big" [03:22] Allow [03:24] ok, brb [03:24] thanks, guys [03:24] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:26] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [03:26] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. 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[03:43] if i upgradepkg kernel-* [03:43] should i also redo the initrd? [03:43] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-137.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:44] it's always a good idea to redo the initrd whenever kernel/modules get updated [03:47] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Quit: You Welcome to join my channel ##Iraqi [03:48] I see [03:48] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:48] I think I will have to remove the kernel* from slackpkg blacklist [03:51] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. 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[04:16] tecra (~fake.emai@adsl-75-20-202-34.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:17] w3m is nice too [04:17] elinks [04:18] i use links [04:18] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [04:22] which are the differences between links and elinks? [04:22] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [04:22] i can't find it [04:22] stunix (1000@85.19.141.16) joined ##slackware. [04:22] elinks is text only [04:22] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:22] but it is the most advanced text browser [04:23] its on slackbuilds.org [04:23] install js first then elinks [04:26] Coke (~coke@c-3ebee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [04:26] what does it means "most advanced"? [04:28] that there isn't a lot of competition and that it does its job pretty well [04:29] ? [04:31] install js first? [04:31] Ansa89, it has many more options and features and stands ahead of the others [04:31] what is js? [04:31] javascript [04:31] dive, ok [04:31] js is mozilla's stand alone javascript engine [04:32] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/js/ ? [04:32] aka spidermonkey [04:32] yes [04:32] and then elinks will support javascript? [04:32] elinks will work without it but is better with it [04:33] also elinks has much better support - check out #elinks for example [04:34] tecra (~fake.emai@adsl-75-20-202-34.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:34] if i slackbuild js and then i slackbuild elinks [04:34] will elinks have js support enabled out of the box? :D [04:35] Lalloso, it supports javascript without js, but with js it's much better [04:39] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:39] let me see if it can open virtual server ports on my home dsl router [04:39] i forgot to open some ports :) [04:40] slackbuilds are a wonderful thing anyway [04:41] tecra (~fake.emai@adsl-75-20-202-34.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [04:42] tecra (~fake.emai@adsl-75-20-202-34.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:43] tecra (~fake.emai@adsl-75-20-202-34.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [04:46] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:47] Zosma (jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:48] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [04:53] Zosma (jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:55] nyRednek (~me@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:01] does slackware come with a good jpeg viewer? [05:01] display is slow [05:01] xv? [05:02] xv is worse than dispaly , no ? [05:02] what is slow about display? [05:02] it's older but faster I think [05:02] try gqview or geeqie [05:02] xv is a dinosaur, don't use it [05:02] well i did a display on about 1000 jpgs and it nearly killed my box load aveage 6, 2 gigs ram used [05:03] 1000? [05:03] at once? [05:03] what size screen do you have? [05:03] i didnt think so, i couldnt get to top to see what was going on [05:03] 1440x900 [05:03] hehe... [05:03] this is an exercise of masochism [05:03] why would you want to display 1000 jpgs simultaneously? [05:04] i didnt know what i was doing :) [05:04] but you felt the need to complain about display anyway? [05:04] so you want an image viewer thaty doesn't consume too many resources when the user makes a mistake? [05:05] nyRednek (~me@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:05] ok , i dont know for sure if 1000 were loading at once, I thought they would all queue in display [05:05] like a trap function that goes something like this: if (user fucks up) then quit() ? [05:05] hah [05:06] was kuickshow ever part of slackware [05:06] ? [05:07] dive, do you track spidermonkey at all? all the jscript stuff makes me so scared (i always read about new exploits) [05:07] mancha, I'm the maintainer [05:07] so yes [05:08] how often does mozilla release stables? [05:08] not often [05:08] last one was last year I think and there have been a few betas since then but no stable [05:09] nyRednek (~me@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:09] but I check the mailing list [05:09] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:11] I think i will have to compile amule on my own [05:11] because the slackbuild does not build amuled [05:12] and therefore it won't allow me to use it without an X display [05:16] afk a while [05:17] wow, and the mar/2009 release was no even a stable, it was an rc [05:17] dive, is mozilla not actively developing this? [05:19] they are but now as actively as say the builtin engine that gets used in firefox/seamonkey etc [05:19] it's really more a sideline I think [05:20] why don't they just spin-off the embedded engine to pop out stable standalones more regularly? [05:21] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [05:21] no idea [05:21] I might update the slackbuild actually [05:22] tecra (~fake.emai@adsl-99-8-231-106.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [05:22] that rc1 has been knocking around for some time now [05:22] anyway, laters [05:25] heh...i *must* be a masochist [05:28] sdi (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/sdi) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:30] sdi (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/sdi) joined ##slackware. [05:32] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-168-6.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Take care,folks!! [05:35] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [05:35] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:36] DarkHack (darkhack@67.159.24.86) joined ##slackware. [05:36] DarkHack (darkhack@67.159.24.86) left irc: Changing host [05:36] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) joined ##slackware. [05:36] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [05:48] jewbacca (~me@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:51] nyRednek (~me@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:02] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:04] jewbacca (~me@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:05] how can I unmount my NFS drive that is no longer networked or connected to computers? it says device is busy [06:06] try your system bar [06:07] system bar? what are you talking about? [06:07] try going to single user mode in a console [06:08] KaMii (~KaMii@unaffiliated/kamii) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:12] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:18] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [06:30] axelpalm (~alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:31] kamii: try lsof and grep for your nfs mount/device, and kill the process that's hanging it [06:32] timahvo1_ (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [06:34] i think lsof -N does that [06:34] but i thought going to single user would take care of killing extra processes [06:35] Can ff4 in /testing be installed alongside ff3 or will it bork everything? [06:35] try it (tm) [06:35] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:35] it replaces the binary [06:36] so yes. borked. [06:38] What does our roadmap for that look like? A lot of things break with ff4. Will the official package move to ff4 and ff3 will be dropped? [06:38] timahvo1_ (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:39] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [06:39] not sure how you mean? [06:41] for example, python3 is stable and "the future" but python2 is the python we ship with because everything works with it [06:42] what breaks with ff4? [06:42] besides addons of course [06:44] Well i suppose if addons don't matter then probably nothing. That's why i'm asking [06:45] the actively developed addons will come out with ff4 versions most likely [06:45] hopefully [06:45] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:45] Off to the store, bbl! [06:46] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [06:47] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:48] rapid_ (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:48] rapid_ (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [06:48] rapid_ (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [06:49] okay, this is weird, i can do ntpdate -u, but ntpd won't sync with ntp servers... [06:50] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:52] do ntpd -g on the first run [06:54] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [06:54] then ? [06:55] ah [06:55] i see [06:57] jgeboski (~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski) joined ##slackware. [06:58] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:00] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:02] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:03] anyone ever seen this.. API module structure `php5_module' in file /usr/local/apache/modules/libphp5.so is garbled - perhaps this is not an Apache module DSO? [07:04] fs corruption perhaps [07:04] i see. ntp needs to listen on your dynamic ip address [07:05] slava_dp: nah, doubt it [07:05] re-compile it ? :S [07:05] anavel: bind to 0.0.0.0 ? [07:06] phrag: nope, just figured out i need to add my internet interface. [07:06] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [07:06] it bind to that automatically. [07:07] phrag: recompile? [07:07] arch is ok too? maybe 64 vs 32 [07:08] adrien: yeh, this is on every compile [07:08] both x86_64, same OS, same arch [07:08] as in the build box, and install box [07:08] KaMii (~KaMii@unaffiliated/kamii) joined ##slackware. [07:10] did google come up with anything? :P [07:10] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [07:11] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [07:16] #php support is shit [07:16] adrien: not really no =/ [07:17] are you 100% sure apache has been compiled against the right version of php? [07:17] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:18] also, you can strace it, it should say something about 'ld_*' functions [07:18] yeh, but i'm going to try the fresh source dir [07:18] cool, will try with strace [07:18] thanks =) [07:18] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. 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[07:36] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.94.249) joined ##slackware. [07:37] may I use if [[ !-e /usr/bin/blabla ]]; then ? [07:38] then? [07:38] I mean, is the "!" placed in the right place for evaluating the expression as false? [07:39] it's not [07:39] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:40] negation [07:40] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [07:41] drakevr_ (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-136-226.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:41] drakevr_ (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-136-226.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [07:42] archcezar (1000@aes52.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:42] nvm.... [07:43] archcezar (1000@acvy205.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:43] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ [07:46] metrofox (~metrofox@unaffiliated/metrofox) joined ##slackware. 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[08:07] this bittorrent client from /extras doesn't seem to do anything [08:07] or you dont know how to use it [08:07] they are probably 5 years old [08:08] Nick change: yht -> yht-GoHome [08:11] iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i ppp0 -d 66.87.2.111 -p tcp --destination-port 6881:6889 -j DNAT --to myinternalbox should suffice , yes ? [08:14] Jedman (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/jedman) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:14] Jedman (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/jedman) joined ##slackware. [08:22] AndChat| (~AndChat@136.sub-97-229-247.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [08:23] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [08:23] toothkit: use rtorrent or ktorrent [08:23] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:25] Urugami (~AndChat@adsl-240-174-165.msy.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:26] mrcarrot: thanks [08:30] pete`` (~user@026.a.006.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined ##slackware. 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[08:46] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [08:46] check Security Advisories [08:46] Is his divinity notified? [08:47] Ah [08:47] Thnx. Wasn't there yesterday %) [08:48] Is there a guide for Slack and the current version of Xen? [08:48] just did the patch, but don't know how to confirm I did it right. Guess I need to find someone to break in hu... [08:51] unfortunately, 10 trackers present in the torrents from TPB are down ... very strange [08:51] might explain why bt's not working either [08:54] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:55] Stellar (~Stellar@unaffiliated/stellar) joined ##slackware. [09:01] suppose I run "cat *", how can I create a script that tells me what file it is currently catting? [09:01] mrcarrot (lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) left ##slackware. [09:02] tsccof: make sure you know which file you're giving cat [09:03] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: [09:03] Hm, I kew "giving head" but "giving cat" is new to me [09:04] alisonken1lap: erm, that is not what I need :P [09:04] |Slacker| (~cris@189.26.14.112.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:04] tsccof, it sounds like you are missing the point of cat but instead of cat * try something like for i in *; do echo $i; cat $i; done [09:05] cat "$i" rather [09:05] don't need quotes, but ${i} would be better [09:06] hiptobecubic: nah, I am using cat as a printing programme so I can check whether file exists using a while loop [09:06] hiptobecubic: but yea, that is a solution, thanks a lot! [09:06] that's the long way - if you want to just see if a file exists man test [09:06] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [09:06] for i in * ; do if [ -f $i ] ; then ... ; done [09:07] alisonken1lap, you do need quotes if $i contains spaces [09:07] used if -e since I also need to check directories [09:07] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:07] hiptobecubic: if there's spaces in a filename on a *nix box, then someone needs to be shot [09:07] untrue [09:07] if [[ !(-e /"$file") ]]; then [09:08] quote, quote, quote, always quote? [09:08] actually I need to check whether the files aren't there [09:08] alisonken1lap, or use quotes. [09:08] alisonken1lap: hmmmm, I have spaces here [09:08] then "for i in * " won't work if there's spaces [09:08] alisonken1lap: but it's a disk that was used on windows first ;-) [09:08] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [09:08] find -print0, read, ... [09:08] anyway - time to head home [09:09] WildWizard (~michael@ppp118-208-41-9.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [09:10] alisonken1lap, how does it not work? [09:10] if there's spaces in a filename, then "for i in *" may split i into the filename parts [09:10] alisonken1lap, doesn't here. [09:10] if you expect spaces, then using find is the better option [09:10] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [09:11] anyway - later, time to close down [09:11] have fun! [09:11] find isnt good if it involves non unix filesystems [09:11] toothkit, how so? [09:12] not sure, somethign on ntfs, im assuming ' ` or combinations of " " [09:12] one day ill track it down [09:12] maybe $ ? [09:12] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ [09:16] sukaeto (~sukaeto@pool-173-49-229-225.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:18] Slartbartfast (~Slartbart@200.206.126.3) joined ##slackware. [09:18] Hello All [09:18] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:19] you lost an "i" [09:19] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:20] I'm looking for instructions on configuring static IPv6 address on my slackware box, but I can't find any examples of how I should write the configuration in the conf file [09:20] WildWizard (~michael@ppp118-208-41-9.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [09:20] just a note, the for loop didn't work and someone on #archlinux answered the question using "grep" [09:20] shame on us all, rofl :P [09:20] Anyone could hep me ? [09:21] if you dont know how you probably dont need ipv6 [09:21] .... [09:22] are those bullets [09:22] Jedman (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/jedman) left irc: Quit: Jedman [09:23] I just need to make my address static, because its my http server, so if a nic stop working and I need to change it, when the system boots again it'll get anothe address, since the mac address changed [09:23] Edogaa (~Animeking@adsl-233-212-41.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [09:23] no, those arent bullets [09:24] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [09:24] i dont know, maybe lookup linux ipvs or virtual server [09:25] fruitcake (~id@95-29-144-125.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:25] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:26] pete`` (~user@026.a.006.syd.iprimus.net.au) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:27] Slartbartfast: http://lwn.net/Articles/296409/ [09:28] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [09:29] Equ1n0x (~Allan@189.108.182.146) joined ##slackware. [09:31] Howdy [09:33] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [09:33] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [09:36] john_dee (~id@95-29-144-125.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:36] v4nelle (~van@adsl-152.109.242.201.tellas.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:40] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:41] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.243.130) joined ##slackware. [09:44] much thanks toothkit [09:45] np [09:46] Nick change: AndChat| -> Urugami [09:46] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [09:48] kickback (~Unknown@122.163.207.170) joined ##slackware. [09:49] |Slacker| (~cris@189.26.14.112.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: No route to host [09:50] in the slackware init script, there is a process which looks for a dhcp server on ethernet (eth0), and i want to disable it, but i cant find out what file it is in [09:51] look at /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [09:52] grep -lr dhcp /etc/rc.d/ [09:52] little bits'o'fun scattered everywhere :) [09:52] alphageek: thanks, thats what i was looking for :) [09:52] kickback, rc.inet1.conf [09:54] i found it in rc.inet1 [09:54] basically i wanted to disable looking for a wired connection [09:54] yeah,, switch dhcpcd to null in rc.inet1.conf and it won't [09:54] kickback, the setting for it is in rc.inet1.conf - you shouldn't touch rc.inet directly [09:54] then it's also easy to reenable it [09:54] thrice`: raela : ok thanks [09:55] rodrigo_golive (c8116f03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.17.111.3) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:55] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [09:56] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:56] { USE_DHCP[0]="YES" } i should change the 'yes' to null? [09:56] hey, on sbo it says that kqemu is not needed or used bu qemu-0.12.x or later. really? [09:56] do i get full speed without it? [09:56] kickback, yes :> [09:56] kickback: correct. make it look like the other indexes [09:57] zoran119, qemu-kvm is the new monster [09:57] john_dee (~id@95-29-144-125.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [09:57] ok thanks [09:57] time to reboot and check things out :) [09:57] brb [09:57] kickback (~Unknown@122.163.207.170) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:57] ...hrm [09:57] I wonder if he should be told about restarting inetd.. [09:58] thrice`: so use it instead of qemu? [09:58] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:01] zoran119, yes, if your processor supports it [10:01] kickback (~Unknown@122.163.207.170) joined ##slackware. [10:01] holy shit, disabling that reduced the bootup time by like 20 seconds [10:02] add to that some other mods i made which further reduced it by 10 secs more [10:02] thanks guys [10:02] troy (~troy@66.135.115.43) joined ##slackware. [10:02] BrunoRusso (~brunoruss@200.162.45.6) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:08] this is strange. ntp always transmit:, but never receive:. I already open port 123/udp :/ [10:08] john_dee (~id@95-29-144-125.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:12] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:12] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [10:13] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [10:13] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:13] kukukk (~dvorak@188.24.64.56) left irc: Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. [10:14] kukukk (~dvorak@188.24.64.56) joined ##slackware. [10:16] |Slacker| (~cris@187.112.97.99) joined ##slackware. [10:17] lol i've been upgrading kernels since these morning [10:17] and i have only 12 boxes [10:17] what a real sysadmin could do ? :) [10:17] mac- (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:17] done it last night ;) [10:18] ha [10:19] or give it to the PFY [10:19] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-70.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:19] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:19] alphageek: good point... ;) [10:20] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [10:20] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [10:20] whats pfy? [10:20] I wish I were as awesome as the PFY [10:20] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastard_Operator_From_Hell [10:21] lol this is nice [10:22] Nick change: rapid_ -> rapid [10:26] quite :) [10:26] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [10:27] anyone know the cups port offhand? [10:27] it always takes me forever to find it via google [10:28] 631? [10:28] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:28] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [10:28] rapid: thank you! I had 731 [10:29] well, tried.. and failed [10:29] |Slacker| (~cris@187.112.97.99) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:32] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:32] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [10:33] troy (~troy@66.135.115.43) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:33] |Slacker| (~cris@187.112.97.99) joined ##slackware. [10:37] damn i shouldve known about BOFH earlier [10:38] dude.. where have you been? [10:39] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:39] localhost:631 if cups is running and you're on the same host [10:39] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:42] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:50] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [10:51] Urugami (~AndChat@136.sub-97-229-247.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Bye [10:56] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.2.128.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. 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[11:15] all thanks to gullible stupid people [11:16] arfon (~arfon@66.87.0.74) joined ##slackware. [11:16] Howdy [11:16] Where's the sound volume set on startup? [11:17] 74 [11:17] /etc/rc.d/rc.alsa doesn't seem to be the answer [11:18] Eh, 1974 was not that great of a year.... better than 77 though [11:18] ashe (~ashe@125.166.185.145) joined ##slackware. [11:19] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:19] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) left irc: Quit: I/O Error: No space left on device [11:19] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [11:19] 1976 - bicentenial high school graduation [11:19] good year [11:19] arfon: man alsactl search for store [11:19] 1976 - new $2 bill :) [11:20] TY gnubien [11:20] sure [11:20] that too :) [11:23] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:26] chomping (~chomping@unaffiliated/chomping) joined ##slackware. [11:26] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:27] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:28] Anyone use Slackware on Linode? [11:30] yes [11:30] kickback (~Unknown@122.163.207.170) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:31] What's the trick to getting pkgtool to 'look right' and 'behave correctly' on Linode (Slack 13.1 BTW)? [11:31] asarch (~asarch@189.188.157.136) joined ##slackware. [11:31] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D59DF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:31] arfon: i don't know waht you mean, but linode's image has a lot of packages missing [11:32] it has the bare bones [11:32] I noticed that... [11:32] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:32] slackpkg install something [11:32] arfon: slackpkg install ncurses [11:32] When I ssh into it and run pkgtool, the menus is messed up with alot of "?" all over the place... [11:32] arfon: er.. what terminal are you using? [11:32] make sure it does utf-8 [11:32] just means the wrong terminal is set [11:33] Isn'r ncurses required? [11:33] no [11:33] but it helps [11:33] damn [11:33] I'm not getting a warm fuzzy from linode [11:33] arfon: its not bad [11:33] Just takes a bit of extra setup because of the slimmed down image [11:34] Let me flip over there and check the TERM and ncurses package [11:36] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:39] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A554.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [11:40] weird, linode has man installed but missing nroff and gtbl [11:41] I love the slimmed down image linode offers :) [11:41] (sarcasm?) [11:41] not really. [11:41] <--moron-boy assumed they did a full install [11:42] just need to apply $clue .. it's not all that hard. [11:42] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.243.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [11:42] I can't :( man clue complains about nroff and gtbl missing... :( [11:43] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A554.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:44] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:45] so .. install it. [11:45] I'm working on it! [11:46] The clue package is in the Z package set or do I have to grab it from alienBOB's site? [11:46] tecra (~fake.emai@adsl-99-8-231-106.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:46] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A554.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [11:47] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [11:48] slacker6896 (~slacker68@f0017-1-88-165-190-90.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:49] gabriel_ (~gabriel@nat-cc-inf.campus.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [11:52] stunix (1000@85.19.141.16) left irc: Quit: When all are one and one is all, to be a rock and not to roll. [11:53] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Quit: You Welcome to join my channel ##Iraqi [11:53] ferdna (~yup@cpe-24-92-114-97.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:53] tecra (~fake.emai@70-36-146-98.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [12:00] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [12:00] Can you use slackpkg to clone a machine? [12:00] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.94.249) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:00] not what slackpkg is for [12:01] bah, life hates me [12:01] but I believe you can make a template of one system and use the template on another system [12:01] Is there an easy way to clone a machine (pkg wise)? [12:01] slackpg won't clone, but you can use it to match package installs between machines [12:02] ...go on... [12:02] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) joined ##slackware. [12:02] man slackpkg and read the template section [12:02] nice... [12:02] typeracer anyone [12:09] gtludwig (~gtl@187.112.64.4) joined ##slackware. [12:10] hello [12:10] hi gtludwig [12:10] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:10] what's a decent video editing software for linux? [12:11] Action: arfon has no idea [12:12] hehe! thans [12:12] thx [12:12] i googled http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/top5-linux-video-editing-system-software/ [12:12] I make DVDs from avi files and that's about it with video :( [12:13] i've used the first three, was good enof for what i needed [12:14] rapid, thanks [12:15] gtludwig: heard openshot was nice [12:15] hmm [12:16] raela, thx [12:20] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-152-118-35.range109-152.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:20] raela: hiya, late [12:21] rob0: noticed yesterday I hadn't seen trhodes in a month.. what's that troublemaker up to :P busy I guess? [12:21] BP{k}: hehe [12:21] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [12:21] whoa, phrag's bot magically sent me the last time he was seen [12:21] artaud (~artaud@186.212.115.62) joined ##slackware. [12:21] artaud (~artaud@186.212.115.62) left irc: Changing host [12:21] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [12:22] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-154-185-146.range109-154.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [12:22] cest mageeqi! [12:22] He's doing Stuff, but in fact I was wondering the same thing, perhaps he has recovered from IRC use? [12:22] IRC Anonymous club? [12:22] :( I always forget he's new to the IRC thing, not hopeless addicted like most others for years [12:23] IRC is my last bastian of escape =P [12:23] I will ask when I see him, which is likely to be soon. [12:24] awww [12:24] Action: raela hugs rob0 [12:24] though I haven't talked to you much either since my internet went out and I didn't rejoin the other channel :P damn +i [12:25] fail! [12:25] yeah, I was gone last weekend and have been rather scarce since then [12:26] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@user-0cetgcn.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:27] anyone heard from cpunches lately or has that nightmare withered and died ? [12:27] worst takeover ever [12:30] TW and AOL? [12:30] no, someone was gonna take over this channel [12:30] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@190.176.154.160) joined ##slackware. [12:30] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@190.176.154.160) left irc: Changing host [12:30] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [12:30] Ah [12:30] supposed to be complete takeover in a month.. and that was several months ago [12:30] Did they succed and I missed it? [12:30] nope, failed miserably [12:31] Should I be ready to worship some new Overlord? [12:32] Well I wish them luck on their regrouping and second assault [12:33] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:34] spook (~spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:35] |Slacker| (~cris@187.112.97.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:35] spook (~spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [12:36] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:36] tsccof (~tsccof@201-35-190-32.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:37] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@utdpat242007.utdallas.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:38] yht-GoHome (~yht@118.96.121.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:39] |Slacker| (~cris@187.112.97.99) joined ##slackware. [12:40] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-88-171.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:40] yht-GoHome (~yht@118.96.121.225) joined ##slackware. [12:41] StarX (~StarX@201.87.127.7) joined ##slackware. [12:41] StarX (~StarX@201.87.127.7) left irc: Changing host [12:41] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [12:41] arfon: it's not the second assault, it's probably 4th or 5th [12:42] it's like a turtle humping a shoe... no good will come of it, and it never succeeds [12:43] well said :) [12:43] wtf? cpunches trying to take over this channel? [12:44] gabriel_ (~gabriel@nat-cc-inf.campus.utfsm.cl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:44] he tried and failed [12:46] Naw, he probably succeeded. We just won't ever know it. ;) [12:46] yht-GoHome (~yht@118.96.121.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:46] john_dee (~id@95-29-144-125.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:46] lol [12:47] he succeeded in his own delusions] [12:47] I go to the bathroom and you guys fill the room with humor [12:48] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:48] was it bathroom humor? [12:49] Reminds me of the line from Princess Bride "Have fun storming the castle, boys" [12:49] Eww, it's KaMii [12:49] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:49] mhm [12:49] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:50] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [12:50] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [12:52] arfon: at least the boys storming the castle had a chance and a better reason :) [12:54] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) joined ##slackware. [12:55] From a bumpersticker I once saw: My name is Inigo Montoya, you kill -9'd my father. Prepare to vi. [12:55] hah [12:56] that's awesome :) [12:56] YAY! I'm contributing for one! [12:57] one= once [13:00] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.2.128.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:01] john_dee (~id@95-29-144-125.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:03] Well, lunch time... bbl. 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Why is libz in /usr/lib[64] yet liblzma is in /lib[64]? [13:29] mishehu (~mishehu@rakdanit.shavedgoats.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:29] mishehu (~mishehu@rakdanit.shavedgoats.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] 'because Pat says so' [13:30] I don't want to remount /usr to run kexec. Hence my question. I could make a static version, but that's bloated and ugly. [13:30] Pat is being inconsistent then. [13:31] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A554.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:32] I also could move libz, make a link farm, and ldconfig, but this discrepancy piques my curiosity. [13:32] you can email him, he's pretty open :) [13:33] gabriel_ (~gabriel@nat-cc-inf.campus.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [13:33] I may. I'd like to think that if lzma (far heavier weight) compression links off the root partition, then the lighter libx should as well. [13:33] s/libx/libz/. But I don't know what breakage that would cause others. [13:34] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-154-185-146.range109-154.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:34] can anyone pastebin an sbopkg build script example? [13:34] gtludwig, sbopkg doesn't do any package building [13:34] it's just a front-end to scripts on slackbuilds.org - where you will find plenty of examples [13:35] mm, 'doesn't do any package building' is probably poorly worded. [13:35] thrice`, no biggie [13:36] http://slackbuilds.org/gitweb/?p=templates.git;a=tree has a few good samples [13:36] I know sbopkg can handle building several packages as if it were a build script [13:36] but i'd like to pass parameters to some of the packages [13:37] ENV_VARIABLE="yes" sbopkg -i ffmpeg should work [13:38] hmm... it's rather a long list of packages to build kdenlive [13:38] and the issue is indeed on ffmpeg [13:38] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:40] caoliver (~oliver@66-227-211-247.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [13:43] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [13:43] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [13:44] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) joined ##slackware. [13:44] Action: Necos prods thrice` for his poor wording [13:45] Urugami (~AndChat@74.sub-97-196-38.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. 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[14:15] Wiren- (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:18] i have an old(more than 12yearr) COMPAQ deskpro PC which has some initial startup partition for diagnose/system check. i was wondering, do i need this partition with Linux? [14:19] zongo_ (~zongo@86-41-67-24-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:19] Nick change: Wiren- -> WIren [14:19] It's prolly tiny, why worry about it? [14:20] Nick change: WIren -> Wir3n [14:20] Better response: clonzilla the disc, blast the partion and see. :) [14:20] Nick change: Wir3n -> WIren [14:20] Nick change: WIren -> Wiren [14:21] Hey Guys, I think I may have found the sound issue since I have installed slackware. In /proc/asound/modules, my usb webcam is listed as 0 snd_usb_audio and then 1 snd_hda_intel [14:21] pupit, no. [14:21] any idea how I can have hda intel listed as 0 and not 1 [14:21] ? [14:22] arfon: yeah. these compaqs are most odd piece of hardware. that partition is somehow needed by BIOS itself, dont remember now the specs, but i did once mangling with it [14:22] pupit, the bios is dependent on the harddrive being intact? [14:22] WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG THERE?! [14:22] I love compaq [14:22] compaq. [14:23] you need the diag partition for older compaqs, unless there's some newer utility that will let you modify bios settings [14:23] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:24] zongo_, in /etc/modprobe.d/ make a file, maybe called alsa, add the line options snd-hda-intel index=0 [14:24] I remember dealin with the pre-HP Compaqs and their weird BIOSes... :/ [14:24] Necos: thats right, but i was curious, do i need it for linux.... ill just try it see what happens.. [14:24] it might need to be alsa.conf [14:25] stomanata (~stomanata@77-85-65-165.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [14:25] hi [14:25] can somebody help me with scp? [14:25] erik, I thought that could have been alsa-base? [14:26] stomanata: of course [14:26] :) [14:26] 10x [14:26] I have been reading some doc on the net and they mentioned a couple of times alsa-base but not sure at all [14:26] i try to copy dir from my router [14:26] i type from local machine [14:26] zongo_, well I don't know, I'm doing it here with alsa.conf [14:26] scp -r root@10.10.10.1:/....... [14:26] I went with that because the other files in modprobe.d end with .conf [14:27] but it autocomplete "way" to local machine :( [14:27] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p578EF39D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:27] stomanata: do not use autocomplete then [14:27] strash (1000@vlan-186-sliven-146.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [14:27] how am i gonna install adobe reader ? [14:28] ok [14:28] i`ll try [14:28] 10x :) [14:28] stomana [14:28] from ? [14:29] alienBOB are you here? [14:29] sirslack1r (~sirslacke@p578EF39D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:29] sirslack1r (~sirslacke@p578EF39D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:29] asarch (~asarch@189.188.157.136) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:30] it return root@10.10.10.1's password: Host key verification failed. lost connection [14:30] strash ? [14:30] what u mean? [14:31] are you from Bulgaria ? [14:31] scp uses ssh, which requires logging in to the remote computer [14:31] Mowah (~Mowah@c-078ae555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:31] If you're coping a dir, rsync is your friend..... [14:31] If you cannot ssh to root@10.10.10.1, you cannot scp to root@10.10.10.1 either. [14:31] stomanata: you are not typing that on a Slackware machine? [14:32] yes :) [14:32] my machine and router is on slackware :) [14:32] Mowah (~Mowah@c-078ae555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:32] my is 13.0, router is ....12.0 or 12.2 [14:32] Did that remote 10.10.10.1 computer get re-installed at some point? [14:32] yes hiptobecubic. i type password for root, but it return error [14:33] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: _marc` [14:33] mmmmmmmmmmmmm no [14:33] Mowah (~Mowah@c-078ae555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [14:33] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:33] stomanata, if you don't know the right password, there isn't much you can do [14:34] i know the right password [14:34] is it possible somebody to have gained unauthorized access ? [14:34] with this pass i log in via ssh [14:34] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [14:34] but scp don`t accpet it [14:34] i hope "no" [14:34] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) joined ##slackware. [14:34] if you can ssh in, then maybe you need to update? [14:35] why to update? [14:35] ok ,here is my problem xulrunner.SlackBuild returns this error: Header jni.h was not found ... [14:35] and what to update? to 13.0? [14:35] but i can`t to this [14:35] i mean, update your ssh/ssl [14:35] log on router via ssh and "put" dir to local komp.... [14:36] do you think it will help? [14:36] well ,any ideas about xulrunner ? [14:37] Mowah (~Mowah@c-078ae555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:37] strash, did you check the requirements before you started building it? [14:37] what are the requirements ? [14:37] Adobe reader requires xulruner [14:37] so ,i need it [14:38] ummm, no it doesn't... [14:38] that`s written on slackbuilds.com [14:38] did you read the xulrunner README? [14:38] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/office/adobe-reader/ [14:38] i don`t remember [14:38] Mowah (~Mowah@c-078ae555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [14:39] strash: you need to install the jdk package first, it is in /extra [14:39] auch [14:39] Otherwise you can not compile xulrunner [14:39] huh? it shouldn't need jdk to build [14:39] well, theBOB knows best :) [14:39] You can of course just grab my pre-compiled package instead of waiting a day for the compilation to finish.... [14:39] "/extra" no such file or directory [14:39] Tsss [14:40] asteroid (~asteroid@78.119.84.68) joined ##slackware. [14:40] asteroid (~asteroid@78.119.84.68) left irc: Changing host [14:40] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [14:40] hahahaha [14:40] --disable-javaxpcom should fix that [14:40] Yes [14:40] But why [14:40] I'd ask the same ;) [14:40] well i type "xulrunner.SlackBuild --disable-javaxpcom" -result jni.h not available ... bla bla bla [14:41] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [14:41] it's a configure / mozconfig flag :> [14:41] strash: it does not work that way [14:41] well ,how does it [14:41] that`s why i came here [14:41] to learn [14:41] irc is not the place to learn the basics [14:41] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:42] well ,its the faster ... [14:42] Tssss [14:42] so,where ot search for this extra [14:42] ? [14:42] strash, http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/xulrunner/build/xulrunner.SlackBuild see all of the configure options? add that one [14:42] Mowah (~Mowah@c-078ae555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:42] is BOB hissing? >.> [14:42] You have to edit that SlackBuild, find the configure command and add --disable-javaxpcom somewhere [14:43] strash: you need to learn some slackspeak fast [14:43] THe term "/extra" refers to the directory of that name in a Slackware release tree [14:43] well, i don`t find it in my tree [14:43] Necos: as long as I hiss I won't bite your head off [14:43] I'm guessing you didn't look :> [14:44] alienBOB: i noticed that (contrary to SBo) your own qemu-kvm build doesnt need a kvm-kmod module. am i right? why is that? [14:44] lol [14:44] strash, tree means a mirror, or your slackware media [14:44] alienBOB, i thought you would have bitten someone's head off by now... [14:44] oh [14:44] sahko: qemu-kvm can use the kvm modules of a standard Slackware kernel [14:44] alienBOB: ah, ok. thanks [14:45] is AR 9.x the only one that requires xulrunner? >.> [14:45] kvm-kmod may make sense if you use the snapshots for kvm (on SBo that would be the 'kvm' entry) [14:45] sahko, the one on slackbuilds.org shouldn't either, should it? [14:46] Necos: building any webbrowser plugin will require xulrunner [14:46] thrice`: i dont know. it mentions it in the README. btw your qemu README mentions kqemu when it shouldnt [14:47] it used to be valid, before the existance of qemu-kvm [14:47] The old qemu (pre 0.12) can use kqemu [14:47] latest qemu versions cant use kqemu [14:47] i've pretty much dropped qemu use instead of qemu-kvm [14:47] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.229.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:47] kqemu is still a requirement if your CPU does not support hardware virtualization [14:48] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.229.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:49] ok,how to reconfigure with --disable-javaxpcom ? [14:49] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.229.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Client Quit [14:49] gabriel_ (~gabriel@nat-cc-inf.campus.utfsm.cl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:49] open up the slackbuild [14:49] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.229.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:49] i did [14:49] n37wk3r (~netwolker@unaffiliated/n37wk3r) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [14:49] hobin (~hobin___@94.125.216.34) joined ##slackware. [14:49] and i added the disable ... [14:49] clear [14:49] ahh [14:49] srry [14:49] pastebin your new slackbuild :) [14:50] hahaha [14:51] let me check it (just to be sure i`ve saved it) [14:53] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [14:53] Nick change: Iraqi -> HelpLine [14:54] damn,how stupid ... [14:54] Nick change: HelpLine -> HelpLineArabic [14:54] Urugami (~AndChat@74.sub-97-196-38.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [14:56] how long xulrunner will compile ? [14:56] which hardware? [14:56] probably days [14:57] omg [14:57] it's about 30 minutes on my core2duo [14:57] 1.6Ghz single core ? [14:57] 4 times longer [14:57] damn ... my CPU temp is 65 Celsius [14:57] strash, why don't you want to use the package, again? [14:57] and climing [14:57] well, if the build script isnt correct, and theres unmet dependencies it might take forever [14:57] thrice` what package [14:57] lol [14:58] what "lol" [14:58] lol [14:58] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/xulrunner/ package !! [14:58] is it a binary ? [14:58] yes [14:58] sure, just installpkg those [14:59] pkg = x86 ? [14:59] yes [14:59] sigh [14:59] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [14:59] i have no idea what he's talking about at this point... i'm just humoring him :) [15:00] Necos [15:00] be happy you don`t live close to me [15:00] lol [15:00] always am [15:00] r-tz (~rizitis@79.107.133.173) joined ##slackware. [15:00] well, i may not be very good in linux - but this is not the same with the AK [15:00] Be happy none of you live close to me. I ate chili yesterday!! [15:01] Action: Necos farts on rob0 [15:01] damn, not nearly as deadly [15:01] Nick change: r-tz -> rizitis [15:01] Necos, indeed a dud. [15:01] don`t be so sure [15:01] rizitis (~rizitis@79.107.133.173) left irc: Changing host [15:01] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [15:06] Jedman (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/jedman) joined ##slackware. [15:07] stomanata (~stomanata@77-85-65-165.btc-net.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:08] well, the pdf viewer installed as expected -and my tax for the Yamaha is not so much ... [15:08] : [15:08] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. [15:09] oh well [15:09] actually its half the tax people will pay in the capital [15:10] gtludwig (~gtl@187.112.64.4) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:10] kwabbles (~kwabbles@h-67-101-178-243.lsanca54.static.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:11] Urugami (~AndChat@74.sub-97-196-38.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. 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[16:06] well if you were missing an arm, that would explain why you can't spell [16:06] hehe :P [16:06] Um... I got nothing [16:07] aww, i think you are going to miss me while im gone [16:08] zongo_ (~zongo@86-41-67-24-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [16:08] Oh yes, the 13hours of flight time will be dreadful for me.... :P [16:09] hahaha, if they have internet on the plane, i will be here to doccument every bump [16:09] oh lord.... [16:09] :) [16:09] i wish there was.. why dont they have it on planes? [16:10] I 'll be watching the news for the story of the Swede who caused a ruckus on a trans-atlantic flight.... [16:10] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:10] noooo [16:10] They have internet service on some flights [16:10] Its $$$$$$$$$$ but it's available [16:11] oh... thats sad, so maybe i will leave my cat5 in the checked bag [16:11] What's the symbol for a Kronar? [16:11] !$ [16:11] Well, put some food in there so your cat5 doesn't starve [16:12] it's 2010.. wtf are we still paying for internet [16:12] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [16:13] If you've got dumb neighbors, you're probably not paying for internet. :) [16:13] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDE63.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya o/ [16:13] :- [16:13] well thats not really the official symbol SEK is, but most just write :- [16:14] KaMii: You're neighbors are gonna be trees... You're hosed. [16:14] reminds me of a description of a parabolic (i think) antenna i saw on ebay (Share Internet with YOUR neighbors!) [16:14] id rather just take my dumb neighbors excess bandwidth they dont even know they have [16:15] Shouldn't that be "share your neighbor's internet"? [16:15] heh [16:15] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:15] KaMii: They's appreciate that. [16:16] they'd even [16:16] waste not [16:16] Z3R0B0T (~Z3R0B0T@triband-mum-120.61.134.121.mtnl.net.in) joined ##slackware. [16:16] You should torrent off of their connection so they can get famous.... [16:16] haha [16:16] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:17] sharing internet when your in a bind is a bit different to relying on and saturating someone else's line on a regular basis [16:17] that's just not nice [16:17] AMPLiFY (~Z3R0B0T@triband-mum-120.61.165.95.mtnl.net.in) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:18] Hey Guys, finally got a handle on my sound issue and just wanted to share it. I have a hda sound card and a webcam with mic seen as usb device. alsamixer always defaulted to that one as per "cat /proc/asound/cards" [16:18] I added in /etc/modprobe.d/sound this line --> options snd_usb_audio index=-2 [16:19] and that sorted my issue after a reboot [16:19] Congrats! [16:19] zongo_: that's usefull, thanks for the info.. i have had a similar problem [16:19] i first tried to creat a file called alsa.conf or sound.conf but that did not help at all [16:20] hmm, won't modprobe complain about the lack of .conf ? [16:20] it seems that just adding that line in /etc/modprobe.d/sound is sufficient [16:20] it does not seem so [16:20] afaik, it ignores files in /etc/modprobe.d/ that are not *.conf [16:20] 13.1 ? [16:20] correct phrag [16:20] phrag, erm not sure that it does yet [16:21] I know that's meant to be coming [16:21] ah, just a gradual change then [16:21] i stand corrected, thanks for the info =) [16:21] after a reboot my main sound card "hda" is defaulted [16:21] and sound is as it should be [16:21] phrag, I'm not totally sure on it - I renamed all mine just to be on the safe side anyway [16:21] newslacker (~root@207-119-200-122.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:21] i've recently been getting alsalib warnings on -current with vlc.. must investigate that [16:22] dive: warnings annoy me =P [16:22] yeah [16:22] asarch (~asarch@189.188.157.136) joined ##slackware. [16:23] I still get this error with mplay but not alsa related (dont think so) "invalid and insufficient vfw-avi packed B frames detected" [16:23] does not stop the avi to play correctly with very good sound [16:24] just annoying message which i do not get in gxine [16:24] zongo_, that's a problem with the file that mplayer is informing you of [16:24] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:25] get a lot of those [16:25] seems to be mplayer related as people from windows platform have complain about [16:25] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [16:26] ajmrch (~asarch@187.132.155.77) joined ##slackware. [16:26] mplayer can be very verbose about stuff like that [16:27] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@68.67.76.100) joined ##slackware. [16:27] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@68.67.76.100) left irc: Changing host [16:27] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [16:27] AlexElliott__ (~alex@cpc2-aztw11-0-0-cust66.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:28] I have been running 13.1 for a week now (brand new to slack) and I love it. Its a big learning curve but very interesting [16:28] oh yes, 13.1 is awesomesauce [16:28] asarch (~asarch@189.188.157.136) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:30] the flexibility and the stability are very impressive [16:30] I am using XFCE, very light [16:31] there is one thing I am unable to do with XFCE; setting for left-handed mouse. [16:31] that is a pain [16:31] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.243.130) joined ##slackware. [16:32] I should say that I did not find the way to do it yet. the gui does not work but I am sure there is another way via command-line or whatnote [16:33] Break out the soldering iron zongo_ :) [16:33] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:33] arfon, most def...I am having such a blast trying to tweak my box [16:34] next step is to try to get my wifi up and running [16:35] You sure it's not already? [16:35] Did you load wicd? [16:35] nop - have no module loaded for my wifi [16:36] What chipset? [16:36] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) joined ##slackware. [16:36] "rtl8192se" [16:37] I have the drivers, should I just compiled from source ? [16:37] Nick change: Guest99167 -> fred [16:37] fred (~fred@phoenix.slamd64.com) left irc: Changing host [16:37] fred (~fred@slamd64/fred) joined ##slackware. [16:38] <---not the peson to ask. Will probably tell your wrong [16:39] I think I might just load the module [16:40] Is the modula already built? [16:40] module [16:40] not its not, i have to do it [16:40] but I have all the drivers required for my card [16:40] then I think I might just use wicd for my network manager [16:41] I may be wrong but you probaly just need to build the module and modprobe it to see if it works' [16:41] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-95-251.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [16:41] I think you are correct arfon, [16:41] Then edit /etc/rc.d/rc.modules? [16:42] yep that is what the manual says. [16:42] rc.modules is right for network modules??? (open question) [16:42] There is a couple of lines as well on wpa_supplicant [16:43] My router uses WPA2. So I would most def need the wpa_supplicant.conf file ? [16:44] I strongly recommend wicd [16:44] wicd is your friend [16:44] zongo_: ^ _strongly_ recommend wicd (from the extra/ package set) [16:44] wicd is slow and seemingly un-developed :p [16:44] wpa_supplicat is evil (Like James) [16:44] wicd is almost defunct [16:44] lets have networkmanager shall we? :p [16:44] Heretics! [16:45] For basic notebook -> wpa2 router wicd is super easy, and doesn't seem slow (at least to me..) at all [16:45] I guess you haven't used anything else? :) [16:45] Me? [16:45] thrice`: me? [16:45] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:45] prior to slack was running a little while with ubuntu gnome. hated g-network manager always had issues with wireless and this card [16:45] thrice`: I've used everything else :P [16:45] thrice`: That's why I recommend wicd [16:45] thrice`, I really like wifi-radar and when they get client-daemon setup it will be much > wicd [16:46] when I set wpa_supplicant, worked like a charm [16:46] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-152-118-90.range109-152.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:46] I did try in the meantime wicd and never had good results with it [16:46] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [16:46] eviljames, are you serious?? it's slow and hardly light-weight (outside of the dep count, I guess) [16:46] wicd in 13.1 just works.... [16:46] wicd in 13.0, not so much [16:47] wicd seemed at the time very intrusive [16:47] sadly knetworkmanager is still svn only [16:47] thrice`: Those are vague, nebulous terms that do not describe any particular issue. [16:47] it's been broken with new versions of python too, and the developers seem to have abandoned it [16:47] eviljames, *rolls eyes* [16:47] thrice`: ah, that's a more focused concern [16:48] the best result as per my config is when i used wpa_supplicant with wext drivers actually [16:48] i could go for days without having a disconnection [16:48] Well, come on. "It's slow" <- most useless complaint ever. "hardly light-weight" slightly more useful, but "uses $value too much mem" is better. [16:48] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-166-176-111.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:49] brianw (~kisea@c-69-254-170-3.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:49] Well, Zongo, if you set it up using the CLI, I support you.... I hate having to run X. [16:49] I hadn't seen issues with later versions of python, though. Developer abandonment is the plague of f/oss projects :/ [16:50] brianw (~kisea@c-69-254-170-3.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:50] thanks arfon, I am a big fan of cli [16:50] eviljames, no, uses pygtk :p and slow, the fact that it takes my laptop about 10 seconds to reconnect after a suspend (network manager is closer to 1-2 seconds) [16:50] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:50] or, that opening up the window to force a scan takes ~5 seconds for me, where network manager already has it available when I click the icon [16:52] but sure, just opinion I guess ;) [16:53] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-166-176-111.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:54] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-155-9-109.range109-155.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:55] JDif (~jdifool@mon75-3-82-67-194-134.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:56] thrice`: those are valid points.. I stand by my "it's still easier for most folks than $other_wifi_tools" [16:57] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:57] edthix (~ed@115.133.247.147) joined ##slackware. [16:58] yeah, it's simpler than CLI I suppose [16:59] yup [17:00] pros and cons audacious v xmms ? [17:00] Hate 'em both.... Dragon player [17:00] zongo_, mplayer [17:01] or if you love dependencies: vlc [17:01] XBMC if you love dependencies [17:01] zongo_: xmms uses older libs than audacious...and the old xmms isn't being developed anymore [17:01] would you use mplayer more for your music or movies ? [17:01] but i like XBMC [17:01] PFFT! Winamp on wine if you LOVE dependancies..... [17:01] I'm a much bigger fan of VLC than mplayer [17:01] winamp on wine, haha [17:01] arfon: pulls out the wine bomb [17:02] :) [17:02] zongo_: and i personally don't like the default look of audacious [17:02] it was a dud... :( [17:02] oh their default look is total fail [17:03] zongo_, i use mplayer for media play (music and video) [17:03] ok [17:03] Action: arfon votes dragon player [17:03] Action: KaMii votes XBMC [17:03] Action: Ansa89 votes mplayer [17:04] Action: Ansa89 votes mplayer -vo caca [17:04] :-) [17:04] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-70.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:04] you cant vote twice [17:04] Ballot box STUFFING! [17:04] d'oh [17:04] lol [17:05] deathmoniac (~desumon@200-181-150-240.ctame706.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:05] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:06] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:06] Funny all that and we didn't answer any of his questions.... [17:06] atof (~jason@58.69.78.155) joined ##slackware. [17:06] We should be in #irssi [17:07] deathmon1ac (~desumon@200-138-102-150.ctame706.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:07] lol [17:07] sdi (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/sdi) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:07] poor zongo_, but i don't like both audacious and xmms [17:08] just get an old X-box, put linux on it, then xbmc, then you have a very cheap media center [17:08] thrice`: why? [17:09] yes you have answer my question, just voting. Gave a view of the most use ones [17:09] which by essence would mean the most reliable, stable, and user friendly [17:09] HA HA HA!!! Funny man [17:10] It doesn't mean stable or eliable, it means we are all set in ur ways and like to argue... :) [17:10] (and some can;'t spell... Looks at KaMii ) [17:10] as well, but i tend to go with the mass :) [17:11] lol [17:11] i have an excuse arfon im sorta bi-lingual [17:12] PFFT! Monoglot is hot [17:13] oh i found the source of my that chirping noise, its my external 1 TB westerdigital mybook HDD [17:13] would recompiling the kernel for my hardware make sense ? Would I gain much in speed ? [17:13] i think a fan is getting old or something [17:13] zongo_: you will gain knowlege, but speed, well only during bootup [17:14] knowledge is good (like it) [17:14] My motto, if it ain't broke, don't break it trying to be cute.... [17:14] ajmrch (~asarch@187.132.155.77) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:14] arfon: i thought your motto was, if it aint broke send it to KaMii, she wil break it [17:14] KaMii, lol [17:14] actually, a smaller kernel will run better than a stock kernel with too many options built-in. Not by much, however. [17:15] No, that motto is: send the incriminating evidence to KaMii and it will mysteriously catch fire. [17:15] I started with slack last week and I must have reinstalle slack about 20 times before being somewhat satisfy, when I read today that recompiling would allow a lighter kernel [17:16] zongo_, why reinstalled 20 times? [17:16] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:16] If you want zongo, try it, just for the love of God, don't make your hraddisc drivers modules.... [17:16] zongo_: you won't gain much speed. But it's a good learning exercise. [17:16] harddisc [17:17] i lacked knowledge (still). For example, i wanted to learn about partitioning and that took me quite some try [17:17] zongo_: ok, fair enough. [17:17] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-155-9-109.range109-155.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:17] arfon, lol [17:17] fdisk was knew to me [17:17] <--did it YEARS ago... It sux'd [17:17] arfon: i never had a hardware fire, just kitchen fires.... [17:18] I have faith in you KaMii.. You have mad fire skillz [17:18] Then it took me a while to get the x right [17:18] did not know about XFCE for ex [17:19] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-152-114-235.range109-152.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [17:19] You know zongo, you can set it up so you can run any of the WMs... [17:19] so when I installed slack it gave me a choice of X. The first one being KDE. I started with that one [17:20] then redid the install with the next one and so on... [17:20] you dont have to reinstall slackware to change your WM [17:20] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@190.176.154.160) joined ##slackware. [17:20] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@190.176.154.160) left irc: Changing host [17:20] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [17:20] arfon, did not know that [17:20] You also don't have to reinstall to change WMs.... [17:20] as they say, you live, you learn :) [17:20] Mowah (~Mowah@c-078ae555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:20] brianw (~kisea@c-69-254-170-3.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:21] good to know [17:21] <--- not me.... I done with lern'in [17:21] will give it a look [17:21] pkgtool or xwmconfig(?) [17:21] but makes sense now that you guys tell me about it [17:21] umm whats the command again? i totally went blank [17:21] ya xwmconfig [17:22] echo "arfon roolz"; [17:22] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:22] estranho (~estranho@187.14.159.181) joined ##slackware. [17:22] estranho (~estranho@187.14.159.181) left irc: Changing host [17:22] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [17:23] I have no idea why the Ubuntu people brag so much about their Distro. I have tried both and by far slack 13.1 is the best [17:23] zongo_: we agree! [17:23] from a complete newbie point of view of course [17:23] zongo_: slackware requires a little more clue. [17:23] Eh, Ubuntu is good for windoz ppl. [17:24] slackware is for people who want to be in control of their computer and actually USE it, not be used by it [17:24] Action: dustybin transfers thumbs apache + linux knowledge into own brain [17:24] ease of use when in slack is incredible. thumbs, Slack does not think that you are an idiot [17:24] and makes you use your brain [17:24] zongo_, because ubunti looks "cute" out of the box perhaps i'm not sure, maybe because they love rpm's or whatever the fuck they use [17:25] no but slack will bite you in the ass if your not cautious [17:25] HA! That's like cat knowlegde > /dev/null :)) [17:25] ubuntu is cute? you must be using that hannahmontanna ubuntu fork [17:25] zongo_: yes, slackware will assume you know what you are doing. That is a good thing. [17:25] KaMii, if that is the case one day, then I have only myself to blame [17:25] Action: arfon pokes dustybin [17:25] brianw (~kisea@c-69-254-170-3.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:26] zongo_: you seem resourceful, to your credit. [17:27] I might not be the smartest or the brightest around, but I will do my homework :) [17:27] arfon: poke 53281,2 [17:28] dustybin: pong [17:29] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) left irc: Quit: I/O Error: No space left on device [17:30] sdi (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/sdi) joined ##slackware. [17:31] zongo_: no, but you are more resourceful than most ubuntu users. [17:33] not to be negative, but can you use the word resourceful and ubuntu in the same setentece? [17:33] KaMii: sure, some of them are quite good. [17:34] "A resourceful Ubuntu user will use Slackware." [17:34] did I win? [17:34] BP{k} (~michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:34] lol, a resourceful ubuntu user will realize their errors and switch to Slackware [17:34] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [17:35] I think a person eager to learn more about linux will be drawn to slackware at some stage [17:35] Prolly not, I've seen too many Debian fans.... [17:35] agreed [17:35] I LOVEEEEE SLACKWAREEEEEEEEE UHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU [17:36] Okay, someone get the firehose out.... [17:36] bah where the hell has klaatu been? [17:36] i thought about looking at deb once, just to see what the fuss is all about [17:36] atof (~jason@58.69.78.155) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:36] Threatening other planets for their development of the atom bomb... [17:36] atof (~jason@58.69.78.155) joined ##slackware. [17:37] Does KaMii like spaghetti? [17:37] + I dont know how many of you guys have hanged around Ubuntu IRC or mailing list but they are not really helpful. A few of them are. but most of them are not nice [17:37] Eh, that's everywhere zongo_ [17:37] arfon: has confused me [17:37] at some stage I had to withdrawn myself from the ubuntu-user mailing list as it did become so bad [17:37] His majority is not good.... [17:38] arfon, i can tell you that might be the case, but obviously not here [17:38] zongo_: if there's disrespectfulness going on in ubuntu land, you can tell mods / ops / etc to please look into it. the CoC is supposed to apply in those spaces [17:38] KaMii: Debian = spaghetti (because of the symbolic links) [17:38] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [17:38] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [17:38] Oh no zongo, I'm pretty useless here..... [17:38] maco, that was implied by many other members at the time but no one did anything [17:38] So I fall into the nice but useless category [17:39] debian linux is lazy [17:39] people insulting each other on mailing list and whatnot... [17:39] Action: rob0 falls into the man-but-useless category [17:39] grrrr [17:39] when you just want to learn more about linux [17:39] Action: rob0 falls into the mean-but-useless category [17:39] Oh yeah... Rob0 is a terror... :P [17:40] elektrobeat (~decibel_e@189.210.7.66) joined ##slackware. [17:40] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:40] or is that Terrier???? [17:40] zongo_: bleh. was this recent? i know there's been issues with the CoC not being enforced well (too many second chances and no firm policies for what repercussions are). [17:40] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) joined ##slackware. [17:40] arf [17:40] Equ1n0x (~Allan@189.108.182.146) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:40] :) [17:40] rob0: you're not mean. You're a mild idiot! [17:41] the arrogance of certain people + technical issues with no actual solutions when the entire Ubuntu was bragging about their distro, drove me away [17:41] maco, fairely recent ( 2 months ago) [17:41] a bit less [17:41] anything thats mass advertised is usually a bad thing IMO [17:41] Zongo, sometimes even in here the dreaded "RTFM" get thrown about.... [17:42] zongo_: there are times that just a reminder of the CoC works to get people in line, or sometimes you have to threaten to bring it up to the CC, but i dont think the CC has ever *done* anything to anyone for breech of it :-/ (though on forums & irc we are good about banning folks who unrepentently abuse it) [17:42] s/sometime/too much [17:43] I mean, dont get me wrong, I understand that someone like me would piss off someone more senior with stupid questions and whatnot [17:43] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:43] zongo_: aye, i'll make no bones about the fact that ubuntu is severely understaffed. but no, people should *never* say RTFM or call names like "noob" in ubuntu land. sounds like the mailing lists are poorly moderated :-/ [17:43] Hey can someone go to 127.0.0.1 and tell me if my apache is working? [17:44] [looks around] [17:44] BP{k} (~michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [17:44] zongo_: i'll bring it up with the CC that the ubuntu-user mailing list needs a few more mods with a firmer hand [17:44] Urugami (~AndChat@74.sub-97-196-38.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [17:44] cryptonoia (~cryptonoi@ip72-205-14-129.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:45] it seems that no one here likes ubuntu [17:45] I would not take it personal if I would be booted off at some stage. It would on the contrary go back to the drawing board [17:45] *make me [17:45] I don't mind Ubuntu for what it is and who it serves.... [17:46] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [17:46] i like ubuntu for other people to use so they don't bother me [17:46] my friend likes ubuntu, and I don't mind. [17:46] arfon, agreed. It was my first encounter with the linux world :) [17:46] I just hate how Ubuntu has pretty much killed HOWTOS and 50 answers on google are all How To Do It In Ubuntu.... [17:46] i like kubuntu... but not ubuntu [17:47] arfon: meh they're usually the same anyway [17:47] i agree arfon [17:47] HOW TOS were the shiznit! before Ubuntu came around) [17:47] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:48] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431056.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [17:48] It's true, by using ubuntu a long time you stop your true learning [17:48] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: disconnecting. [17:48] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431056.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:48] so finally you'll see it such as windo$$ [17:48] zongo_: i'm told 4 people were kicked from that list this month for being repeat offenders, *cross fingers* maybe they were the ones you encountered. popey says 2 months ago sounds like the right timeframe fr them [17:49] I think it was about time as they will surely loose a lot of customer :) [17:49] if you read how to do it in Ubuntu is usually very much the same in any other distro [17:49] newbies get cold feet when faced with those people [17:50] Ubuntu seems to be screeming for end users so many be its about time they start cleaning up [17:50] sitwon, that is not true at all, Slackware uses BSD boot system [17:50] menawhile Ubuntu uses other [17:51] elektrobeat: yes, but it's not that difficult to translate that stuff [17:51] I think it?s System V [17:51] and Slackware does have (limited) support for init.d scripts [17:51] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Quit: shonudo [17:52] asdfjkl (~asdfasdfs@cm67.epsilon86.maxonline.com.sg) joined ##slackware. [17:53] well, yes but for instance, I saw that Ubuntu 10.04 has no inittab I think that suddenly it's becomming different, and you can't use init nor telinit command [17:54] what i used to hate the most when I used Ubuntu was the regressive bugs [17:54] thats the bit i mean about "understaffed" [17:54] i works, run an update, and it breaks [17:54] the developer to package ratio is really fubar in ubuntu [17:55] though 20 new devs since may! [17:55] so now its 167 versus ~30,000 packages [17:55] aren't most of those already maintained by Debian? [17:55] yes, and thats why we're trying to work closer with debian now... [17:56] gotcha [17:56] bof [17:56] make that 10k packages [17:56] because we'd miss out on getting the "good" version of a debian package and not know that a sync would fix something [17:56] remove -run, -dev, -doc, -dbg... [17:56] adrien: not going to happen. :P [17:56] ah yeah fair enough, i was counting binary packages [17:57] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:57] no judment passed on my side here maco, just saying. Slack has a better way of dealing with this (I think:) [17:57] It's how slackware works. [17:57] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [17:57] FWIW, if I were not interested in compiling anything, I wouldn't want to have a compiler [17:57] slack is "we maintain the core system. you get the rest straight from upstream" i think? [17:57] even for newbie like me its better to run with a version that is not going to break and get use to it [17:57] elektrobeat: when was that changed? I remember using telinit on Ubuntu but it might have been a few versions back [17:57] adrien: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick 17,449 source packages [17:58] maco: almost all of the core system is upstream [17:58] just packaged [17:58] unmodified [17:58] sahko (~grbzks@ppp089210071254.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:58] sahko (~grbzks@ppp089210071254.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Changing host [17:58] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:58] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:58] NaCl: yeah i know, but i mean you dont bother to package peripheral stuff so much i think? [17:58] That's all community [17:58] Iraqi (~Iraqi@unaffiliated/iraqi) joined ##slackware. [17:58] like ubuntu and debian try to have debs of /everything/ [17:58] http://slackbuilds.org is a good example [17:58] hobin (~hobin___@94.125.216.34) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:59] I'm currently using openSUSE, they also have almost everything [17:59] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-72-44.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:59] although not all of it has the QA that debian has [17:59] sitwon: ubuntu uses upstart not sysv since 2008 or so i think [17:59] sitwon, it was in 10.04 TLS version, and I'm sure because I gave a Linux course in that specifically ubuntu version [18:00] its not a change that much impacted me though so i cant say exactly when the switch happened. maybe 2009 [18:00] upstart's been around for a little while [18:00] aye but it wasnt included by default til 08 or 09 [18:00] I've been thinking of porting upstart to slack [18:00] systemd is the new shiny system :) [18:00] another init system? [18:00] I do remember used telinit in a few older versions [18:00] I use telinit in openSUSE [18:00] NaCl: systemd = fedora's new shiny [18:01] oh, fun [18:01] systemd is being pushed by fedora, suse (via. Kay), and a bit from debian and others too [18:01] elektrobeat: telinit just tells init to switch runlevels [18:01] still, I don't see upstart vs BSD init being a huge problem for the average user [18:01] but its been pushed off for f15 (er... assuming im remembering right at 14 is the one coming out in a month or two) [18:01] Totally out of the blue but is there a reason why xinitd hasn't been added to Slack? [18:01] how many init systems to we need, anwyway? [18:01] sitwon, really? simpler init scripts and faster boot is surely a good thing [18:01] Scuzz_ (~scuzz@s72-38-129-46.static.comm.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] its coming out in 7 or 8 months not 1 or 2...lets go with that [18:02] Urugami (~AndChat@74.sub-97-196-38.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:02] openSUSE boots faster than Slack on my lappy [18:02] NaCl, well, upstart is mostly a canonical project, while systemd is pushing to be more wide-spread [18:02] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:02] thrice`: gotcha [18:02] thrice`: upstart had a moment of widespreadishness.... fedora did ship it. and i think lenny is shipping with it [18:03] er i mean squeeze [18:03] it's in openSUSE [18:03] squeeze will be sysv I'm quite sure [18:03] just not installed [18:03] dang. lenny's stable. squeeze is testing. keep things straight brain, its not 2007 [18:03] suse is pushing for systemd too at the moment [18:03] darkrho (~darkrho@84.39.107.190.dyn.supernet.com.bo) joined ##slackware. [18:03] Oh well, 5pm somewhere... g'night guys [18:03] Action: NaCl scratches his head [18:03] arfon (~arfon@66.87.2.13) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:03] kay (from udev) is pushing systemd quite a bit for suse [18:03] maybe. i know there was talk of debian going to upstart. i assumed in the current testing but maybe there was planning way-ahead going on [18:04] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431056.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:04] thrice`: I mean, how often does the average user (not admin or developer) ever write an init script, or care how/when it's being run? [18:04] maco, it's for the squeeze+1 release, though there is a ton of debian integration going on from systemd too [18:04] Nick change: Scuzz_ -> Scuzz [18:04] sitwon: you know, i think admins appreciate when their job is made easier too. and when their servers come up fast [18:05] sitwon, not often, but less things that can break, easier for developers to maintain, and a quicker boot for the user [18:05] and systemd isn't really re-inventing the wheel, it's a completely new wheel :) [18:05] you're trading complexity in one place for comlexity in a different place [18:06] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431056.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:06] thrice`: doesn't that mean the same thing? :P [18:06] NaCl: maybe thrice` means theyre finally inventing the tire to replace the wheel? [18:06] lol, I was just looking at the systemd page and thinking it looked better than upstart [18:07] maco: perhaps [18:07] NaCl: he means they finally discoverd the third dimension and made it into a sphere [18:07] or antigravity, perhaps? [18:07] that would be cool [18:08] NaCl, ok, instead of reinventing the automobile, it's an airplane :p [18:08] kk [18:10] If I had to guess, I would think Slackware is more likely to adopt this systemd thing than upstart [18:10] boson (~I@70.44.72.133.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [18:10] hi [18:11] slackware won't budge, it'll stick to slow and clunky bash scripts [18:11] How can I allow IP forwarding from eth0 to wlan0 (where wlan0 is the default gw pointing to the internet) ? I know there's a way to do with with IP tables, but I suck at iptables [18:11] thrice`: that's fine with me too [18:11] I like bash [18:11] :) [18:11] I like bourne shell even better [18:11] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-174-123.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:12] boson are you using slackware? [18:12] yes [18:12] 12.2 [18:12] I'm making a poor boy's router. [18:12] use /etc/rc.d/ec.ip_forwarding [18:12] will that forward between 2 network interface cards ? [18:12] boson: you need to enable ip forwarding (/etc/rc.d/rc.ip_forwarding) [18:13] yes [18:13] thrice`: it budged with polkit. :P [18:13] then you need to configure dnsmasq [18:13] NaCl, so, port systemd! :) [18:13] then iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE [18:13] NaCl, or, if you use factory: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Systemd ;) [18:14] the last time I used factory, something failed [18:14] s/something/kwin [18:14] thrice`: I'll do both when it is stable, and when I acquire the time to do it [18:15] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.229.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:15] does /etc/rc.d/ec.ip_forwarding have the same effect as echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ? just permanent ? [18:15] yes boson [18:16] well I did echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward, and a host using my poor boy router as the default gateway, can't ping 8.8.4.4, a public dns server. [18:16] but the poor boy router can ping 8.8.4.4 [18:17] I'm using private IP addresses, 192.168.2.0/24 and 192.168.2.0/24 [18:17] err 192.168.2.0/24 and 192.168.1.0/24 [18:18] Will private IP's not route with out nat ? [18:19] I shouldn't need to nat all my routers. [18:19] boson: dnsmasq + -j MASQUERADE [18:20] as sitwon says, you need masquerading [18:20] with iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE [18:20] is masqurading like nat ? [18:20] yes [18:21] why would dns be relevent if i'm not using domain names to ping 8.8.4.4 ? [18:21] boson: dnsmasq also does dhcp (which is *all* I use it for) [18:21] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-174-123.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [18:21] ridout (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [18:22] thanks for the one liners. But i [18:22] but i'm still confusion on the theory on why masqurading is necessary. [18:22] because your source address is 192.168.1.10, for instance [18:22] When I built a cisco network, I didn't need to nat all the interfaces. [18:23] and that's is not a valid public IP address [18:23] elektrobeat: private ip addresses don't route. [18:23] yes [18:23] I thought ISP's don't route private ip addresses. turns out ALL routers won't forward IP addresses. [18:23] err private ips [18:24] what if I use public IP addresses where nat as at the border of my lan (being next to the internet) ? [18:25] then I shouldn't need nat on all interfaces. correct? [18:25] ok, it's correct then you need to use iptables in the forwarding chain [18:25] thanks folks. 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[18:56] hi i am using slackware 13.0 64 + multilib. i have a devede question. i successfully made several dvd .iso from multiple episodes of a series. as i progress through the episodes, devede stopped working. it tells me there's not enough space to convert. i delete the working folder, and tried several times with the same result. i checked my free space with df, and there's hundreds of free gb. on a lark, i started to [18:56] reduce the number of episodes on the disks, and it still crashes with only one. i then tried making a disc with the original 5 episodes and devede just works. how can i check the quality of this next series of avi's? [18:56] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:56] troy (~troy@dsl-69-172-78-72.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. [18:56] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [18:56] blkdg: this isnt a devede support room [18:57] i understand, i was hoping that another slacker had seen this behaviour [18:57] maybe /tmp is full [18:57] or, that someone could help me check the avi quality [18:58] DarkHack (darkhack@its-cute.we.like-to-make.krashed.verymad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:58] DarkHack (darkhack@its-cute.we.like-to-make.krashed.verymad.net) left irc: Changing host [18:58] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) joined ##slackware. [18:58] sahko, please read the 2nd half of my observations. [18:59] -/tmp is part of my / and there are 115G free in / [19:00] i dont know [19:00] thanks anyhow [19:00] sahko& so whats with the unfriendly unhelpfulness? [19:03] gniks: have you ever solved the problem someone else had around here, say during the past year? [19:03] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: reboot [19:04] many [19:04] great [19:04] have you ever tried "i don't know the software you are using, but here is my best guess" instead of just shunning the person away and being caddy to them? [19:05] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [19:05] gniks: does it say #devede? [19:06] this is a distro room, a distro consists of many utilities, programs, and tools& therefore all are open for discussion& yes its best to keep it to those included in the distro, but that doesn't mean you have to be so cut and dry and rude to people& [19:06] this is a place for help [19:07] anyway, im not trying to troll you& just give you something ot think about when replying ot people [19:07] gniks: believe it or not, telling people to use the dedicated resources of the software they have trouble with is the best 'help' they can get [19:08] not disputing that& maybe directing them to that resource would be more constructive [19:09] i don't think he was being rude. [19:09] zongo_ (~zongo@86-41-67-24-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:10] there is nothing in #devede btw [19:10] blkdg: that is good :o) he just hasn't been the friendliest person around recently& thought i would say something (or maybe im just too sensitive) [19:11] and i found a website that gave me a ffmpg command to check an avi but i cannot understand most of the output.. [19:11] THEN, i came here. [19:12] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [19:14] gniks: true that. im trying to quit smoking :) [19:14] OT! [19:14] lol [19:14] sahko: good luck in your endeavor :) [19:15] thanks [19:15] frk (~jcn@189.58.213.205.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:15] sahko: you know slackware got you hooked on the pipe! [19:16] :-) [19:16] mmmm fifo pipes are sexy [19:16] i_is_cat (~i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:17] now that the group-hug is over, i tried playing the first avi of the new batch 11.avi with vlc and it hangs nicely. vlc does not prompt to fix (i had seen that before) so i started googling, and i found DIVFIX ++, but i don't know based on the description if this is what i need. [19:17] elektrobeat (decibel_e@189.210.7.66) left ##slackware. [19:18] what is wrong with 11.avi? [19:18] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [19:19] troy (~troy@dsl-69-172-78-72.acanac.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:19] let me get the ffmpg output to paste bin. one sec please [19:19] no [19:19] just tell me what's wrong with it [19:20] is the video borked at the source? [19:21] it plays for 35 seconds in vlc [19:21] and it borkes devede when i try to encode a dvd [19:21] where di d the avi come from? [19:22] a bad bad place. [19:22] http://pastebin.ca/1947897 [19:22] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:22] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:22] ok, so your latest episode from midgetpr0n.com is corrupted? [19:22] the proverbial back of a truck [19:22] nice [19:22] :) [19:23] Edogaa (~Animeking@adsl-233-212-41.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:23] well, actually season 2 episode 1 is corrupted. [19:23] i thought the problem was devede. i never bothered to actually play the files. [19:23] i just started making dvd's with devede [19:24] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:25] and two days into making dvd's (around episode 11) devede stopped [19:25] working. [19:25] if the file's corrupt, the file's corrupt [19:26] so when i googled the devede error i got a few slack posts regarding compilation, but that wasn't an issue, and space wasn't an issue so then i played the damm thing and it is corrupt. [19:26] dl it again in case it was dl corruption or look for another source in case it was borked at the source. [19:26] i am sure that this is all legal else please ignore my adice. [19:26] absolutly. [19:26] Rat409 (rat@bb-205-209-95-251.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("="). [19:27] i guess devfix++ at slackbuilds is not the way to go then. [19:27] you probably mean divfix++ [19:28] there are a few avi "fixers" out there with varying degrees of intelligence in their heuristics [19:28] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:28] ymmv. you lose nothing but time if you decide to give it a shot...so why not [19:29] hiptobecubic (~john@a75089.upc-a.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. 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[21:38] jgeboski: injured [21:38] :/ [21:38] looks like i might be going back to work [21:38] That's good [21:39] dedicated account [21:39] asarch (~asarch@189.188.153.132) joined ##slackware. [21:41] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:41] shonudo: hey [21:41] hey nyRednek.... [21:41] didn't even know i'd arrived [21:41] lol [21:41] shonudo: got through the interview [21:41] excellent! [21:41] good for you [21:41] i call in morning to go for physical [21:42] send a body double [21:42] lol [21:42] then in a week for my tickets [21:42] shonudo: no need, i can pass a DOT physical [21:42] true, you're breathing and you face in the direction of sounds [21:42] you should do fine [21:42] shonudo: they're sending me down to pennsylvania to get my rig [21:43] hopefully a big bad kenworth or a peterbuilt [21:43] with flames [21:43] lol [21:43] shonudo: it'll be a freightliner... [21:43] ah well... as long as you insist on the flames [21:43] i like peterbilts, but this company doesn't buy them [21:44] shonudo: the pay is enough...i don't need any custom decals [21:44] besides, a snubnose freightliner with flames looks stupid [21:44] Urugami (~AndChat@adsl-240-174-165.msy.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:45] the flames look cool on a long nose [21:46] true, a cabover or a snub nose with flames looks like an accident at a paint shop [21:48] anyone see the harvest moon tonight? [21:48] shonudo: i'll take the default truck, with the default sign-on bonus, with the default pay [21:48] quite a looker... [21:48] shonudo: i saw it last night [21:48] i swear when i saw it, i could see a penguin... [21:48] the moon runs linux [21:51] LSD` (~ianweb@203-59-117-134.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: No route to host [21:51] shonudo: that's cool [21:51] shonudo: which distro? [21:51] troy (~troy@dsl-69-172-78-72.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:42] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:44] Action: toothkit comes alive [22:46] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:49] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [22:52] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:54] asarch: why wouldn't it be good? [22:56] he's asking whether it would be sufficient [22:58] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:59] hey, how would I change the alsa capture source from "Mic" to "Line in" from a script? [23:00] hackeron: use alsactl or alsastate , save settings, and then reload setings with -f probably [23:01] sahko (~grbzks@ppp089210071254.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [23:01] sahko (~grbzks@ppp089210071254.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Changing host [23:01] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [23:02] Onyxyte (~Onyxyte@r75-110-112-109.rmntcmtc02.rcmtnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:05] toothkit: trying, thanks [23:05] There usually are some packages for "devel" [23:05] One package for shared library and other package to develop apps [23:05] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [23:06] frk (~jcn@189.58.213.205.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:06] asarch (~asarch@189.188.153.132) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:10] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-173-58.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:12] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: - [23:12] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:13] l00t (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.84.129) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:14] Urugami (~AndChat@adsl-240-174-165.msy.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:15] Urugami (~AndChat@adsl-240-174-165.msy.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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