[00:01] wow [00:01] midnight already [00:02] bhodgins, yes, midnight of the final day of your life [00:02] ahhhh [00:03] Action: edman007 stabs nullboy [00:03] and nullboy already died, did not even get to see midnight [00:04] Midnight already? [00:04] Nick change: nullboy -> nullzombie [00:04] AbortRetryFail (n=arf@pool-71-122-88-2.tampfl.ftas.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:04] I've been playing WoW for hours [00:04] hah [00:04] I swear.. that game is made of visual crack [00:04] Thats ok..I leveled..got a new badass sword.. [00:04] turned in literally 15 quests [00:04] ready to run a dungeon tomorrow [00:04] thats.. great [00:04] can you play WoW from linux? [00:04] Yes [00:05] I don't though..cause well..I run Vista x64 for gaming [00:05] but you're sure it's doable under linux? [00:05] i've wanted to check it out [00:05] very much so [00:05] never have even seen it [00:05] I can give you a 15 day trial [00:06] hah [00:06] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-75-35-180-38.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:06] and if you keep it for a month (i think) I get a free month [00:06] 15 day trial is how they hook you [00:06] whats an email for you? [00:06] Dominian, warcrack is the proper name [00:06] straterra: don't send it yet, i need the game first [00:07] nullzombie: ive set it up for a buddy in Wine once [00:07] hey toast, I just compiled blender with a slackbuild, the latest, want it? [00:07] nullzombie: pretty much a nobrainer [00:07] have a package for it [00:07] nullzombie: you can download it from their website [00:07] The email tells you how [00:07] :) [00:07] night all [00:07] macavity, zombies have no brains [00:07] nullzombie: email please :P [00:08] i have blender already [00:08] straterra: i'm scared [00:08] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.39.186) left irc: "Leaving" [00:08] Dominian said it's like crack [00:08] nullzombie: ok..all you gotta do is pay for 2 months..and..I get a unique mount [00:08] nullzombie: iirc you just edit some conf file in the WoW dir to say "OpenGL" instead of "DirectX", and everything is honky dory [00:08] please? [00:08] stillborn (n=blow_my_@MMDXLIX.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [00:09] nullzombie: It's real fun [00:09] what the hell is a unique mount? [00:09] ... the digital pimp hard at work :P [00:09] like doggie style or something? [00:09] a mount is something you can ride around to get places faster [00:09] macavity: I've heard that DirectX is actually faster than OpenGL [00:09] a unique one is one you can't buy [00:09] when playing in Wine [00:10] nullzombie: also..if you do it..our accounts are linked..so if we quest together..we get 2x the experience [00:10] sitwon: my buddy used ATI, and it looked a lot better with OpenGL [00:10] bbeecher2 (n=bbeecher@cpe-74-72-194-84.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:11] sitwon: but what the heck do i know.. i just followed some wowiki guide step by step.. and it worked, and performed nicely, so basically i dont give a fsck :P [00:11] nullzombie: if you want to..just pm me an email addy and I'll send it out tomorrow..I'm gonna get some rest [00:11] soon but not yet [00:11] kk [00:12] macavity: I don't play it either. I just keep hearing from other Linux gamers that DirectX gives them higher framerate. [00:12] i'm about to try the eduke hi res pack now [00:12] opengl works better for me [00:12] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:12] is it normal for wget to go up directories and fetch weird index.html files that dont exist..? [00:12] Of course..I also only run it in Linux at work [00:12] Action: bhodgins boggles [00:12] straterra: are you using ATI or Nvidia? [00:12] http://www.stupid.com/fun/TWLT.html fucking epic [00:13] Nvidia [00:13] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [00:13] I would never..ever...ever use ATI [00:13] frigging epic you mean [00:13] lol [00:13] why wouldn't you use ati [00:13] i use nvidia too [00:13] because their support in Linux is trash [00:13] And I'm less than impressed with their performance under Windows too [00:14] I put nvidia in all my gaming computers [00:14] i like ati better than nvidea however if 3dfx hadn't gone under i woudl totally have a 3dfx card [00:14] this laptop comes in two models, one with Intel and one with nvidia, i got the nvidia version [00:14] Nvidia works in Linux, Windows and FBSD [00:14] but my laptop has ATI [00:14] X1400, and it was just dropped from the proprietary drivers [00:14] um [00:14] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [00:14] so I have to wait for the FOSS drivers to catch up and support it [00:14] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:14] you could sue the older drivers [00:15] use* [00:15] i'm still useing 8.8 [00:15] I have an x1300 and toast has an fglrx package you can use I bet [00:15] 8-12 works good [00:15] with my hd 4650 [00:15] I'm using 8.8 [00:15] I'm using 9-3 right now, but if I want to upgrade my kernel I'll be out of luck [00:16] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:16] macavity (n=macavity@90.185.112.203) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:16] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:16] net laptop I get will probably have Intel [00:16] s/net/next/ [00:17] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [00:17] JasonosaJ (n=Jason@pool-71-186-11-16.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:17] toast, aticonfig --odgc reports xorg.conf parsing errors lol [00:17] for overclocking [00:17] hey [00:17] that guy [00:17] jiraia (n=ricardob@189-10-115-183.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Fui embora" [00:17] lowered the price on those voodoo2 cards [00:18] http://cgi.ebay.com/3dfx-voodoo2_W0QQitemZ140310344257QQihZ004QQcategoryZ3762QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem [00:18] they were 85 i think [00:18] hmmmmm [00:18] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:18] free shipping [00:18] I still have a working VooDoo3, I sold my VooDoo5 [00:19] i had a working voodoo3 i gave it to soem one [00:19] was the voodoo5 any good? [00:20] i heard form some where that they weren't but i never used one [00:20] I liked my fathers Diamond 3dfx [00:20] I never even opened the box. I bought it on impulse when I heard 3dfx was closing it's doors, but by the time I could afford the rest of the system to put it in, it was obsolete [00:20] Action: toastytoast is considdereng getting those voodoo2 cards [00:21] wtf googles the only site I cant connect to [00:21] i'll sli them together overclock them and see how well they can play nexuiz [00:21] toast you're a doofus sometimes [00:21] Thursap (n=bnguyen@58.187.182.62) left irc: "leaving" [00:21] i think thats a wonderful plan [00:22] gtl (n=gtl@201.47.44.197.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [00:22] one reson i wnat them tho is becasue they are the first SLI cards [00:22] wich i think is pretty cool [00:22] can you connect to google? [00:22] nothing I have can connect to it... [00:22] stillbor2 (n=blow_my_@YKMMMDCXIV.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:22] yep jsut6 fien [00:22] mshade (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:23] jsut fine* [00:23] wtf [00:23] my hosts file is fine.. [00:23] byteframe (n=bytefram@98.118.78.221) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:23] I can ping it [00:23] i blame the evil ninja monkeys [00:23] AND now it connects out of nowhere [00:23] anyone know if the GMA X3100 can handle UT2k4 @1440x900? [00:25] I'm going to reinstall nettools, because for some reason wget stopped working correctly [00:25] or not nettools, but whatever had wget in it [00:25] prolly not at 1440x900 but it can prolyl play it [00:25] you mean 1440x1050 [00:25] :D [00:26] I hate widescreen [00:26] i'm not a fan personally but everything is widesreen now [00:26] i don't ind widescreen [00:26] but meh [00:26] mshade (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:27] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:27] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [00:27] and the slackbuilds arent building correctly [00:27] :( [00:27] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:27] owned [00:27] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-25-60.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:27] like a banananana [00:28] i just installed slackware. why the heck am I getting so many peoblems [00:29] THE EVIL NINJA MONKEYS [00:29] hmmm [00:29] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-10-127.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:29] so should i buy the toast wallet i wonder [00:29] i do need a wallet [00:30] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.165.100) left irc: "leaving" [00:30] bhodgins: which version of slackware did you install? [00:30] 12.2 [00:30] yay, i compressed 1TB of /dev/zero...its now down to 2.5k with triple bz2 [00:30] who wants to open it? [00:30] I figured out the slackbuilds werent placing them in /tmp, these particular ones, but I'm still curious why wget is really messing up [00:30] with -r / --mirror [00:31] bhodgins: full install? [00:31] bhodgins: I'm looking at getting an X200, so I mean 1440x900 [00:31] err X300, not X200 [00:31] I want a touchpad [00:32] I'd like widescreen monitors better if xorg had an easy way to but black bars on the sides when running fullscreen apps that use a non-widescreen resolution [00:32] :) [00:32] from cd 1 yeah, had to get X manualy [00:32] instead, old games & emulators end up getting stretched horizontally [00:33] but I think its the place I'm getting it from, there is like an index.html in every directory but I still get ?'s in the filenames with them and stuff [00:33] gbonvehi (i=1000@200.69.244.1) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:34] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-37-182.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:34] bhodgins: where are you getting it from? [00:34] slacky.eu, and I'm beginning to hate them [00:34] lol [00:35] ... you got slackware-12.2 from slacky.eu? I didn't know they mirrored. [00:35] no [00:35] I got slackware-12.2 from.. oh where was that.. [00:36] I've always done full-install from the complete CD set (or recently DVD) [00:36] I usualy get it form utah.edu, but they were having network problems today or something [00:36] frequent cutouts from multiple locations [00:37] I got it over ftp from tds [00:37] why not use slackware.osuosl.org? [00:37] toastytoast: cause that one is really intended for other mirrors to pull from? [00:38] because I like utah, theyr'e quite fast and I dont usualy have problems with them [00:38] lol lloyd got owned [00:38] jk [00:38] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:38] meh i blame the evil ninja monkeys [00:39] however i did get the cake [00:39] so i's not all bad [00:39] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-25-60.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:43] d4vidc (i=0@dynamic-66-243-245-170.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:43] "It is perhaps odd that there are several thousand possible swap priorities when the kernel can only support 32 swap partitions." [00:43] google just cut out on me [00:44] 32 swap partitions? wtf, first, who needs that many...second, if they get close they have other problems [00:44] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Success [00:44] and thousands is worse [00:45] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:47] lol... now when I download stuff it doesnt show in firefox downloads. something weirds going on.. [00:47] Fenix (n=lkjdlkja@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [00:47] hi [00:47] toast bring your slackware dvd tomorrow. I might want to wipe this thing again [00:47] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [00:48] just to make sure I'm not just tired [00:48] Nick change: fau_ -> fAu [00:48] i chroot'd into my slackware install to put back lilo (windows removed it) and now when i try to boot up slackware it gives a kernel panic about missing init options [00:49] make sure boot and root are set correctly [00:49] bhodgins, care to elaborate a bit? [00:50] i kept the same lilo setup for that slackware install as before [00:50] just changed the windows partition [00:50] Ic.. well it might have offset your linux ones? not sure why [00:50] check to make sure what partition your / is on and check that in lilo.conf [00:50] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [00:50] for root [00:50] i thought it would give a different error for that [00:51] hmm [00:51] I've seen some really messed up stuff [00:51] fair enough [00:51] i'll be back soon, and hopefully on slackware :) [00:51] I mean, it wouldnt hurt [00:51] Fenix (n=lkjdlkja@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:54] eduke 3d with the mission pack is awesome [00:57] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@default-ip-teleglobe.shellfusion.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:57] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@default-ip-teleglobe.shellfusion.net) joined ##slackware. [00:57] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [00:58] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:59] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:04] Spazer (n=sk@S01060015e97b42ff.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Say good night to the bad guy." [01:05] FMK (n=sk@S01060015e97b42ff.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:05] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [01:05] all is well, and it is windows's fault [01:06] all of my linux partition numbers were shifted down by one lol [01:06] so both lilo.conf and fstab were off [01:06] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:06] oh crap now I have no mouse at all lol [01:06] trying to get touchpad scrolling to work on my thinkpad [01:06] DMCEM (n=sk@75.158.223.97) joined ##slackware. [01:06] t60 [01:06] using evdev? [01:07] and I'm pretty sure, I'm just setting up synaptics touchpad basicly [01:07] yeah I had a feeling they were Fenix [01:08] a while ago when i used a mx 1000, and i wanted it to work 100% i had to use evdev and xbindkeys and xmodmap [01:08] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-37-182.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [01:09] lots of effort and i needed usbid definitions in the xorg.conf [01:09] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [01:11] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [01:13] Fenix-Dark: Heh, mx1000 works 100% with mouse driver. [01:13] Fenix-Dark: i have the same mouse and still currently use it. [01:14] But with evdev i only had to add a xmodmap, never xbindkeys for everything to work. [01:14] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:16] agentc0re, horizontal scrolling? [01:16] pretty sure, been a long time since i've ever needed it. [01:17] well anyways i use a razer death adder now, so no horizontal scrolling if i wanted it [01:20] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.19) left irc: [01:20] hmm. [01:20] SM177Y (i=1000@204.38.195.195) joined ##slackware. [01:20] any ever use listener? 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[01:50] http://www.adultswim.com/video/?episodeID=8a2505951bc80ed4011c42c66a5e058e [01:50] NWS [01:51] soumynona (n=soumynon@64.55.144.44) joined ##slackware. [01:52] TheTrash (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:52] Urchlay, hahahaha [01:52] Urchlay, i still like the "how to shoot yourself in your foot" things, you have seen those right? [01:52] TheTrash (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [01:52] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:53] edman007: errr, apparently not [01:53] Is it possible to mount tmpfs on a disk? I'm wondering for a special purpose. [01:53] http://www.cstruter.com/article.php?ContentID=30 [01:54] Would it be like mount swap to a disk? [01:54] there are more if you google [01:55] edman007: ohhh, I have seen that, a long time ago [01:55] psychicist: If you know the answer to my question, please let me know. [01:55] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:55] Shingoshi, why? linux caches all filesystems, so if it needs to be on the disk then use ext3 or something, and tmpfs will swap out with everything else... [01:56] I want to mount tmpfs on an SSD. [01:56] Shingoshi, what do you expect it to do? [01:56] Forth - Foot in yourself shoot [01:56] tmpfs implies that its not on a drive [01:56] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [01:56] So that the data isn't persistent. [01:56] http://www.adultswim.com/video/?episodeID=8a2505951bc80ed4011c0ae9391e02e9 [01:56] lmao [01:57] Yes. But swap can also be a file, not a drive. [01:57] Shingoshi, so format it before you mount it... [01:57] if you want a disk-based filesystem that isn't persistent, why not mkfs it in your startup scripts? [01:57] and swap can be a drive [01:57] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:57] I know swap can be a drive. But it can also be a file. [01:58] That was my point. [01:58] so like a file that gets treated as a tmpfs? [01:58] I think so. I remember it from my SuSE days. [01:58] gm141 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:59] you can use dd to create an appropriately-sized file, mke2fs it, then mount -o loop [01:59] ok...i suppose i just don't understand the reason for an SSD if its not suppose to be persistent...it is a storage device, designed for the sole purpose of making data persistent [01:59] but that's not literally tmpfs [01:59] I geuss I'll just have to try it sometime. [01:59] what you are saying is that you want to buy a car so you can park it in your lawn and watch the paint rust off... [02:00] just, why?!?! [02:00] there isn't a mktmpfs or mkfs.tmpfs... [02:00] I want to use the SSD like an extension of RAM. [02:00] web design http://www.adultswim.com/video/?episodeID=8a2505951bc80ed4011be6e9d3d20158 [02:00] Shingoshi, so make the SSD your swap space [02:00] edman007: earlier he was talking about using a giant non-persistent tmpfs for compiling stuff really fast. Makes sense to me. [02:00] That way, I can mount /tmp there on tmpfs. [02:00] Urchlay, yes...i do that [02:01] but now is is saying he wants it on a persistent device... [02:01] You can't mount a partition to swap. [02:01] yes you can [02:01] mkswap /dev/sda1; swapon /dev/sda1 [02:02] I'll have to look into that. I've never seen any mention of it. [02:02] wait, did you just say you want to use tmpfs, but have it persist? [02:02] ? [02:02] and then mount your 50GB tmpfs and it will dump to the swap [02:02] that's the normal way [02:02] That wasn't what I meant. Swap is not treated as a partition. [02:02] ehh? you never heard of the standard way UNIX and its spawn have done swap for like the past 30+ years? [02:02] nullzombie, at least someone is with me [02:02] It is treated as an extension of RAM. [02:02] and its the brain dead one too [02:03] Shingoshi: I'm not sure I understand what you're really trying to accomplish...? [02:03] You can mount /tmp on swap. If you can, tell my how. [02:03] woah [02:03] yea...and tmpfs is treated as an application using ram [02:03] Hmm. [02:03] Maybe I can run distcc on my gamecube,. [02:03] SM177Y (i=1000@204.38.195.195) left irc: "BitchX: the NEW form of birth control!" [02:04] sluckxz (n=sluckxz@24-116-8-105.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:04] so if you have a big tmpfs it is considered application memory and gets swapped out with everything else, going onto whatever swap the kernel has mapped in [02:04] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:04] ccfreak2k, computer is too fast? [02:04] Most of the time when you build packages, /tmp is used. I want a faster build location. [02:05] mount /tmp on swap? I don't (a) think you can do that, or (b) understand why you think you want to [02:05] Shingoshi, i find that 2GB is more than enough to build anything you want [02:05] so make /tmp a ramdisk (you already have that with your giant tmpfs, no?) [02:05] only thing that won't fit is a debug build of OOo [02:05] a full debug build of FF will fit in 2GB [02:05] You have never tried building sage, the mathematics program. [02:06] how big is it? [02:06] if there is a slackbuild i will do it right now [02:06] The source is over 200MBs. [02:06] is there a slackbuild? [02:06] I want to be able to build multiple packages at once. All of them around that size. [02:06] what is it, a mathematica-alike? [02:07] alright, i really need to go... [02:07] Shingoshi: buy more computers like the one you have, then? [02:07] night, edman [02:07] if i talk within the next 12 hours shoot me [02:07] in the foot? [02:07] I intend to use it on my quad-socket server. [02:08] you know you probably already have a ram disk? [02:08] he knows [02:09] in fact he has a 64-bit kernel and a 3.8G ramdisk, from what he pasted earlier [02:09] I want to create a SATA SSD RAID0 for /tmp. [02:09] Urchlay: you know you probably already have a ramdisk too? [02:10] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:10] I already ran out of space once. My system virtually shutdown. [02:10] did you know that most of the people in here probably already have a ramdisk? [02:10] My /tmp was full. [02:10] edman007, too fast for what? [02:10] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [02:11] Anakin- (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [02:12] Think of four 64GB SATA SSD in RAID0. [02:13] I could mount ccache there instead of /tmp [02:13] nullzombie: I specifically don't have a ramdisk on this box (no initrd), but I do on the laptop [02:13] unless you mean the tmpds mounted on /dev/shm [02:13] er, tmpfs [02:14] mount | grep shm [02:14] Morning. [02:14] yeah, but that's not used for regular file storage (at least I never do) [02:14] multimas [02:14] it can be though and it is a ramdisk [02:14] so you have one [02:14] weeeee [02:15] yeah, and I have another one on my Atari 800XL, if I boot the correct OS on it :) [02:15] you can cp something right into /dev/shm/ [02:15] touch test.txt && cp test.txt /dev/shm/ && ls /dev/shm/ [02:15] 192K in size, big enough to hold the contents of one single-sided double-density floppy, what else do I need? :P [02:16] Urchlay: Oooh you have an 800xl? [02:16] 800, 600XL, 1200XL, and at least 2 800XLs :) [02:16] Urchlay: I thought the 1200 was the only "XL" [02:16] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:16] Urchlay: Sweet :) [02:16] arny (n=arny@89.123.101.32) joined ##slackware. [02:16] nah, the 1200XL was the first in the XL line, definitely not the last [02:17] eh, also got an XEGS and a broken 130XE I need to get around to either fixing or giving up on [02:17] Urchlay: Any Point, Any Color. Huhu :) [02:17] my 1200XL has 256K RAM and an internal IDE interface :) [02:17] if only APAC were really APAC on NTSC displays :( [02:18] Urchlay: I've never had the pleasure of playing with any of those machines, although I know a bit about the 800 [02:18] Urchlay: One was recently sold locally for a good price, however I did not manage to obtain it :( [02:18] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:19] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:20] multimas: atariage.com, usually you can find an Atari without the ebay snipage [02:20] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:22] what are simple alternatives to mythtv for a fancy interface to watch videos? [02:22] Simple as in minimal packages required... [02:22] but fancier than double click a file and watching it in mplayer [02:22] redtricycle: xbmc? [02:22] Never tried that on a PC though, but it's very neat on my xbox :] [02:23] the problem with all these things are... [02:23] xbmc, boxee [02:23] they're all made for Ubuntu [02:23] Channel flood from redtricycle -- kicking [02:23] Boxee source is crazy hard to get to compile [02:23] redtricycle kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [02:23] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:24] redtricycle: I suppose "crazy hard" is relative :o [02:25] knew a guy who ran freevo on freebsd and swore by it [02:25] ...or was that "swore at it"? I disremember. [02:26] multimas: nod, crazy hard as in...googling and nobody has gotten it to compile [02:26] Multimedia is a tricky thing. 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[03:21] hehe; [03:21] <== newbie [03:21] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:23] where can i have slackware ? [03:23] .tgz [03:23] leejongwook [03:23] tgz :) cool [03:23] yes [03:23] www.slackware.com ? [03:24] ? [03:24] to download slackware [03:24] where do i get it from ? [03:24] yes go there [03:24] then "get slack" [03:24] why it has .com ? [03:24] leejongwook: go to slackware.com and click on "get slack" for information. [03:25] ok [03:25] it doesn't matter why it has .com [03:25] thanks ~ :) [03:25] why not org :P [03:25] how about printer support (?) i have canon lbp3200 [03:25] Urchlay: Buzzword bingo indeed. CPA, CTA, CPC, SLN, ... [03:25] do you think that i can use that printer with slackware (?) [03:25] Urchlay: Or, rather, acrobingo.. [03:25] yes leejongwook [03:25] cups [03:25] leejongwook: You can use printers with slackware. [03:26] its usb printer [03:26] yes it work [03:26] and slackware has gnome too ? [03:26] leejongwook: No. [03:26] yep [03:26] huh ? [03:26] leejongwook: Please go to slackware.com and -read- the information! :) [03:26] you can choose to install gnome yes. [03:26] :) ok [03:26] thanks ~ [03:26] leejongwook: Slackware does not officially come with Gnome. [03:26] right [03:26] i see [03:27] but sounds cool [03:27] "you can add it if you like." [03:27] Action: multimas nods. [03:27] i use xfce [03:27] must be hotter than ubuntu [03:27] it goes to 10 [03:27] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:27] It's just slackware. [03:27] 11 [03:27] lol [03:27] I don't understand why people have to "holy grail" distributions all the time. [03:27] It's a linux distribution, not a sexy redhead. [03:28] :| [03:28] i have found i like slackware the most. [03:28] most people said the slackware is faster than other linux disto [03:28] Priorities, people! [03:28] and it's hardcore :P [03:28] well, how would you know if I even like redheads? [03:28] leejongwook: You can make slackware as "slow" as anything else. It depends on what you do with it. [03:28] i see [03:28] right multimas has a good point [03:29] it's isn't auto-bloated like some other distros [03:29] multimas = multimedia mass ? [03:29] leejongwook: It doesn't mean anything. [03:29] leejongwook: mimas was taken, so.. :( [03:29] :) [03:29] shh [03:29] fresh prince is on [03:29] This is not a static nickname actually. [03:30] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:30] said 550 Failed to change directory. [03:30] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430065.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:30] from korea mirror :P [03:31] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:31] leejongwook: Torrent will be the most effective. [03:31] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.248) joined ##slackware. [03:32] Nick change: multimas -> rhea [03:32] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430065.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:32] :) [03:32] damnit all the cool moons are already registered. [03:32] Nick change: rhea -> umbriel [03:32] I bet someone sniped them. [03:33] Nick change: mrselfpwn -> nemesis [03:33] Nick change: umbriel -> proteus [03:33] acidchild2 (n=ash@brouter.sevenl.net) joined ##slackware. [03:33] FINE. [03:33] Nick change: proteus -> multimas [03:33] hello multimas [03:33] :P [03:33] Grr. [03:33] Hey. [03:33] Grr to you too mofo [03:33] :) [03:35] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:35] Yep. Every named moon is taken. [03:35] urg, i dont get this... [03:35] What a downer! [03:35] I need to get a M2 Licence... here in Ontario to ride a PAB (power assisted bike) [03:36] Anakin- (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:36] so like how do you go get 'tested' on your bike? without a licence.. some kinda 'temp licence' im guessing? =/ [03:36] shits so fucking complicated. [03:37] acidchild2: bike as in motorbike? [03:37] heh, is that like a moped? [03:37] yep [03:38] i got a 49cc two stroke engine 'kit' for a standard bicycle. [03:38] <_RadioHead> morning [03:38] <_RadioHead> morning acidchild2 :) [03:38] morning [03:39] kinesis__ (n=k@68-29-215-101.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [03:39] has anyone succeeded in getting uvesafb / v86d to work in Slackware? [03:40] been trying for a day now [03:40] v86d segfaults and doesnnt run [03:41] well.. having a little troble to get slackware.. [03:41] *.torrent [03:41] slackytude (i=8d644bca@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f482c85416d26477) joined ##slackware. [03:41] i need console based torrent client :) [03:42] <_RadioHead> bittorrent [03:42] just download the iso strait from a mirror leejongwook [03:42] korea mirror dont work :) [03:43] try a country near to korea [03:43] i just installed bittorrent and it didn't work :( [03:43] You don't *have* to use a korean mirror. [03:43] morning [03:43] ok :) [03:43] <_RadioHead> morning slackytude [03:43] slackytude: Morning. [03:43] leejongwook: Are you new to the interwabble? [03:43] morns bud [03:43] Action: slackytude drinks his awfully expensive starbucks coffee [03:43] y0 _RadioHead , multimas [03:43] 1 year experience [03:44] That counts as new. [03:44] does your stomach agree with that stuff slackytude? [03:44] leejongwook: Welcome! :) [03:44] used desktop environment :D [03:44] nemesis: with coffee or starbucks stuff? [03:44] starbucks that is [03:44] sure, its tasty [03:44] starbucks [03:44] if itwerent that expensive Id drink it more often [03:44] yeah [03:45] yeah, i find 8oclock or Seattle's Best better tasting imo [03:45] Dovecot wont start on boot using Slackware 12.2. This is what I've got in rc.local: http://pastebin.com/m37578ef [03:45] I can start it manually doing "/etc/rc.d/rc.dovecot start" [03:45] Nick change: nemesis -> mrselfpwn [03:45] nemesis: dont have them here [03:45] There are no errors in /var/log/maillog [03:45] Anybody got any good ideas? [03:45] i see [03:46] TL_CLD: that should work [03:46] TL_CLD: can you start it by executing rc.local? [03:46] Indeed it should, but it doesn't. I've got it working on 4 Slackware 11 servers. I'm puzzled [03:47] yes [03:47] O_o [03:47] 0_o indeed [03:47] TL_CLD: will that work in console? Ie, do you have a shabang at the top of the script? [03:47] well, then, is you rc.local called? [03:48] slackytude, It appears to be called just fine, because Postfix and Postgrey is also started from rc.local, and they work like a charm [03:48] TL_CLD: Make it more verbose to diagnose it then [03:48] I think I'm going to have to get off my lazy ass and drive down to the hosting center and see what goes on during boot. This is all too weird. [03:49] TL_CLD: For example, in your dovecot script, make it give some output to verity that it is being interpreted. If it is, then the problem is related to that and not your startup. [03:49] verity/verify [03:49] has anyone succeeded in getting uvesafb / v86d to work in Slackware? [03:49] why can he call it by executing rc.dovecot start directly then [03:49] kinesis__: You already asked that :( [03:50] slackytude: Drugs might be related. [03:50] multimas: as a rule, kinesis doesnt listen [03:50] can you get vesafb to run at 1024x600 =( [03:50] slackytude: One idea is that the execution location is different. [03:50] slackytude, Yea, that's the weird part: I can start Dovecot by calling rc.local, rc.dovecot and just plain dovecot. It all works! it just wont start after a reboot, despite it being present in rc.local [03:50] multimas: hrm, I dont see how, it should work, afaik [03:50] slackytude: Still, instead of asking redundant questions, just use the scientific method and find out? [03:50] and the other daemons in rc.local are started just fine. [03:51] slackytude: yes it should work, but it isn't. So one of several assumptions must be false :) [03:51] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:51] TL_CLD: Alright, how about you make no changes and just leave it up to the gods! :D [03:51] TL_CLD: well, the last idea would be to put a sleep command in there. start it with a delay. maybe it needs stuff that isnt yet initialized during boot [03:51] greetings [03:51] Action: multimas thinks that'll be much more insightful [03:51] morning TheTrash [03:51] morning The-Croupier [03:52] morning slackytude [03:52] slackytude: Isn't local executed last? [03:52] Hmm, maybe Dovecot doesn't clean itself up properly during shutdown, and then the first attempt at starting cleans it up and then shuts down. My second attempts then work. [03:52] multimas: yes, but maybe not last enough [03:52] :/ [03:52] TL_CLD: good idea as well, so call it twice to diagnose [03:52] TL_CLD: Does not dovecot perform logging? [03:53] multimas, It does, but there's nothing in the log. That's another odd thing. [03:53] TL_CLD: I know how to find out definitely. [03:53] Something fishy is going on. [03:54] TL_CLD: First put an echo line at the top of the dovecot script to verify that it IS executed, and then instead of just running the command inside that script, run it prepended with something like "strace -o /tmp/dovecot.trace " [03:54] TL_CLD: That way you will get all the information you'll ever need in just two minor modifications. [03:54] multimas, that's a pretty damn good idea. I'll try that! thanks. [03:55] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.149.95.46) joined ##slackware. [03:56] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.149.95.46) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:57] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:57] I also wonder what rc.dovecot does when not given any arguments. Considering the startup script will execute it once (automatically) prior to rc.local, perhaps, just an idea, that might also be related. Or am I wrong here? I don't have a slackware machine to check if that is true or not :( [03:58] [Doesn't slackware do something like "for fap in /etc/rc.d/*; do if [ -x $fap ]; then ./$fap; fi; done"?] [03:58] nope [03:58] Kerio2004 (n=Port@94.96.163.51) left irc: [03:58] not for rc.d at last [03:58] Ah. My bad then :) [03:59] and calling rc.dovecot without arguments should return the valid arguments [03:59] that is, you need to supply one [03:59] Action: multimas nods [03:59] Alrighty. [03:59] and he said so [03:59] Ah. I'm just fail fail fail then :) [04:00] not really [04:00] drink his milkshake [04:00] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:01] you made a sensible debuging suggestion [04:01] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:02] tribeca (n=vedo@host162-103-static.20-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:02] read /etc/rc.d/rc.M rc.S [04:03] those start various rc. scripts if they are executable. [04:03] (among other things) [04:06] spook: Yes. if I had one available from a recent version I would. I could of course look in the repo but alas I haven't. A quick response from slackytude was easier ;) [04:06] obnauticus_ (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:07] A_666_A (n=sidmario@201-43-55-166.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:08] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [04:08] multimas: it was more as an explanation of how it does work. [04:09] since you were told how it doesnt work. [04:09] Man we're having some excellent weather here. [04:09] here, too ^-^ [04:09] spook: Mm. Care to pastebin it for me? or dcc? [04:09] I'd still like to have a look. [04:09] spook: I recognise your nickname. have you been in #slackware on efnet? [04:10] no. [04:10] he's a spook, of course he looks familiar [04:10] mm. [04:11] multimas: spooksoftware.com/rc.S and rc.M [04:11] Cheers [04:13] OK, it gets even weirder now. I've added strace to rc.dovecot, and when I start Dovecot using that script (or via rc.local), I get a neat little dovecot.trace file in /tmp, packed with all sorts of neat information. Also Dovecots fires up and is running like a champ. But when I'm rebooting, all i get is an empty dovecot.trace file, and no running Dovecot. [04:13] What the.... [04:13] spook: Ah I see. Ok. [04:14] TL_CLD: does running rc.local launch it? [04:14] spook, Yes [04:14] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:15] The really odd thing is the empty dovecot.trace file. [04:16] TL_CLD: wait - empty trace file? [04:16] multimas, Yes, the file is created, but there's nothing in it. [04:16] TL_CLD: how is that even possible? [04:17] Manually starting Dovecot using either rc.local or rc.dovecots yields a normal trace file. Rebooting yields an empty trace file. [04:17] hello [04:17] whats the difference between a hard and soft link in linux ? [04:17] Hello [04:17] I'm completely baffled here. [04:17] Agiofws: they have almost nothing in common. [04:17] Agiofws: the difference between silk rope and hemp rope [04:18] yht (n=yht@114.121.42.110) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:18] Agiofws: a hard link points at the actual data. a soft link points at a hard link. [04:19] ok how many kinds of files are there in linux ? [04:19] ummm? [04:19] hmm [04:19] something like [04:19] Agiofws: May I recommend you look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_link and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_link. [04:20] files . folders , links , named pipes , domain sockets ,... [04:20] and why aren't NICS treated as files in a linux system ? [04:20] Agiofws: they -are- files? [04:20] lets see. there a device files, which come as block or char I think, there are pipes and links, hrm [04:21] Agiofws: everything is a file [04:21] Agiofws: they aren't block devices. [04:21] Agiofws: All the 'types' can be read and written using the same system calls, so it really is not very relevant. [04:22] y0 slackytude. How's it going? [04:22] hey, what's a normal internal temperature range for a computer, or at least what are some of yours running at? (cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature) [04:22] evening all [04:22] Nick change: frullet|afk -> frullet [04:23] greetings firebird619. Im doing great ^-^ How are you doing? [04:23] jgor: more info. [04:23] slackytude: doing great. Just leaving though. It was 91 F here today. [04:23] jgor: air cooled? case fan, motherboard chip. cpu, cpu fan, hard drives in the case [04:23] Its one of unix fundamental design principles actually, "Everything is a file" [04:24] firebird619: sounds nice. Just 11° C here, but its still early [04:24] or at least, everything can be treated as a file. [04:24] what is a named pipes and what is a Domain socket ? [04:24] C_Tux (i=86d633bb@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-88a4cb1262e61181) joined ##slackware. [04:24] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host109-8-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:24] slackytude: It was really windy here today too. [04:24] Agiofws: complicated, look it up. [04:24] a named pipe is a pipe with a name ^-^ [04:24] Agiofws: A file. A file! A FILE! [04:24] Herman (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) joined ##slackware. [04:24] :] [04:24] spook: basically, trying to figure out if the 70^C in that proc file on mine is a bad thing [04:24] ok thanks [04:25] Agiofws: Wikipedia can give very detailed information regarding all your questions. [04:25] (good reads, too) [04:25] jgor: theres the core temp, and the cpu temp. [04:26] if the core temp is 70C you're in trouble. [04:26] dunno what thermal sensor that file refers to [04:26] how would i find out? [04:26] jgor: use sensors [04:27] eelriver (n=eelriver@67.102.106.32) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:27] acpitz-virtual-0; Adapter: Virtual device; temp1: +70.2^C [04:27] not particularly descriptive :( [04:28] Well, time for me to get going. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. [04:28] frullet (n=Bob@124-168-168-79.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [04:28] firebird619: see ya [04:28] jgor: sensors-detect [04:28] it does say: (crit = +120.0°C) though, so perhaps 70 is not so bad for whatever it is [04:28] later slackytude. Have a good day. :) [04:28] find the module for your particular cpu [04:29] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [04:31] leejongwook (n=leejongw@123.109.102.221) left ##slackware. [04:31] spook: ah, gracias. loaded the module and it added quite a bit to the sensors output [04:31] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.128.137) joined ##slackware. [04:32] temp2: +56.5°C (high = +85.0°C [04:33] (it went from 70 to 56 in the last 10 minutes cuz i has a particularly large fan in front of it right now) [04:33] large fans FTW [04:33] i have a noctua u12p [04:34] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:34] http://www.tweakpc.de/gallery/data/536/noctua_nh_u12p_se1366.jpg [04:35] actually what i'm referring to looks a little closer to this: http://www.air-n-water.com/photos/2152-b.jpg [04:35] >_> [04:35] oi! mibbit gives you a scaled down image right into the chat [04:35] nifty [04:35] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@204.116.25.53) joined ##slackware. [04:35] slackytude: maybe so, but its still no irssi [04:36] thats very cool indeed [04:36] Action: slackytude nods [04:36] not xchat either [04:36] slackytude: we're mibbit friends today ;-) [04:37] nullzombie (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [04:37] Fixed! I changed rc.dovecot so instead of calling "dovecot", it calls "/usr/local/sbin/doveot". I guess I should change my compile options to prefix=/usr, instead of using Dovecots default values. [04:37] heh [04:38] C_Tux: heya [04:38] C_Tux: why? [04:38] So I guess this was all just a PATH issue. During boot the /usr/local/sbin path isn't known. After boot it is. [04:38] TL_CLD: hrm [04:38] TL_CLD: you got it from SBo? [04:38] TL_CLD: duh.... [04:38] slackytude: I'm at school, we're on the computers because of matlab [04:39] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:39] slackytude: I've set up gvim on windows :D [04:39] C_Tux: I see [04:39] ye gods matlab [04:39] nice with the gvim, tho [04:40] Nope, not SBo. It's my own slackbuild, and I see now that I've not set the prefix parameter, meaning that Dovecot is compiled using /usr/local/sbin [04:40] Or rather /usr/local [04:40] with gvim it's really ok :) [04:41] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [04:42] I dont like it [04:42] I dont have to use, so its fine [04:44] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.133.19) joined ##slackware. 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[05:02] C_Tux: no argument [05:02] if its for freenode... i like java.freenode.net as well ;) [05:03] fridays are endless at work..damn it :( [05:03] I'm on freenode, gimpnet and oftc [05:03] I have an exam this afternoon =/ [05:04] doesnt work for me [05:04] Ive only one lecture on fridays ^-^ [05:04] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:04] no work either [05:04] woohoo [05:10] supposedly eduke32 supports network play [05:10] hmmm [05:11] y0 nullboy [05:11] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:11] hey man [05:11] what are you doing on this fine friday morning [05:12] hacking the g1bs0n [05:12] course! what else? [05:13] nullboy: nice to see you're occasionally awake during mammalian hours [05:13] And there we have it: Recompiling with the --prefix parameter set, and all works well. Thanks for the help guys. The strace thing put me on the right track. :o) [05:13] y0 Zordrak [05:13] sup sup SUUUUUUP [05:14] soumynona_ (n=soumynon@cpe-66-65-84-120.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:14] not much, sitting in uni, drinking coffee [05:14] you? [05:14] i'm playing with wine and duke nukem ports [05:15] wtf.. does no-one else around hieur have a real job? [05:15] please. [05:15] I do, but only 20hours per week during semester [05:15] i work when i want to [05:15] never? [05:17] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [05:17] arny (n=arny@89.123.101.32) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:17] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [05:19] umislack (n=sleeksla@58.64.91.60) left irc: "leaving" [05:20] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:22] hi [05:22] kama (n=kama@host119-113-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:22] aahhhh [05:22] how does someone check how much MB his swap partition is ? [05:22] hi nullboy [05:22] Agiofws: free -f [05:22] opps [05:22] -m [05:22] cfdisk ? ? [05:22] fdisk -l will list all partitions [05:22] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-141-181.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:23] Fiyawerkin (n=fiyawerx@c-68-82-173-91.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:23] /dev/sda3 3917 4038 979965 82 Linux swap / Solaris [05:23] /dev/sda8 11433 12161 5855661 82 Linux swap / Solaris [05:24] ixus:/home/agiofws# free -m | paste [05:24] Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/lxEAKd69.html [05:24] BPMN and BPEL and SOA and ESP and Beans [05:24] Im getting flooded in buzzwords [05:24] zx10k1 (n=nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) joined ##slackware. [05:24] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:24] Agiofws: 6GB? [05:25] i guess so [05:25] so you cant see that with df or fdisk right ? [05:25] you can but it's just in different units [05:26] well, not in df [05:27] is swap mounted anywhere ? [05:27] where is none ?/ [05:27] The_Faithful (n=Mak@196.12.237.15) joined ##slackware. [05:28] it's mounted but not like a regular filesystem [05:32] soumynona (n=soumynon@64.55.144.44) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:33] arny` (n=arny@92.82.53.191) joined ##slackware. [05:33] umislack (n=sleeksla@58.64.91.60) joined ##slackware. [05:36] arny (n=arny@92.82.53.191) joined ##slackware. [05:37] arny (n=arny@92.82.53.191) left irc: Client Quit [05:38] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [05:39] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [05:39] This may be a little OT.. but it needs saying [05:39] Turisas rule! [05:39] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:40] i'm'a email em... ask em to be the official band of Slackware :) [05:43] Knightingale (n=tp@unaffiliated/knightingale) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:45] heh [05:46] First time i saw them was live.. they were touring with Dragonforce when I went to see them.. and I was stunned.. Turisas rule :D [05:49] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [05:52] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [05:57] arny` (n=arny@92.82.53.191) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:58] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060015e964b923.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[06:08] 5 [06:08] should work, but you might try 4 as well [06:08] dartmouth: often the defaults in sshd_config are a bit security concious.. might want changing [06:08] C_Tux (i=86d633bb@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-88a4cb1262e61181) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [06:09] Zordrak: i was about to ask if the tcp_forwarding option had anything to do with it [06:12] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [06:16] nope [06:19] kvm-85 is up [06:20] reposto (n=unknown@gateway.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [06:25] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [06:32] dartmouth, you should configure firefox as follows: [06:32] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [06:33] advanced preferences -> connection -> settings -> manual proxy configuration -> [06:33] and then fill *only* the http proxy field [06:33] and let the other proxy fields blank [06:33] (i think) [06:33] :-) [06:34] it used to puzzle me some time ago too [06:34] this is how i made it work if i remember correctly [06:35] slackytude (i=8d644bca@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f482c85416d26477) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [06:36] obnauticus_ (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: [06:36] reposto (n=unknown@gateway.geodesic.com) left irc: "Leaving" [06:37] umislack (n=sleeksla@58.64.91.60) left irc: "leaving" [06:39] cfdisk (n=cfdisk@unaffiliated/cfdisk) joined ##slackware. [06:41] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:42] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-134-7.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. 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[06:59] soumynona_ (n=soumynon@cpe-66-65-84-120.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [06:59] greetings again and again and again [07:00] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:01] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-445347ea8fdb3ced) joined ##slackware. [07:01] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:02] greetings, The-Croupier:) [07:07] hitest, how are the gurus doing today [07:14] what can i say to someone that want to use linux.. (i cannot recommend slackware they have difficulty with windooze) i personally find slackware easy to use..especially to configure(for the stuff im interested) but to a new user...:( [07:15] caio_ (n=caio@200.2.124.206) joined ##slackware. [07:15] The-Croupier: What would you say to someone wanting to use an M16? [07:15] multimas, that he is cool ;) [07:15] The-Croupier: If there is no incentive, then why bother? [07:16] The_Faithful (n=Mak@196.12.237.15) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:16] multimas, incentive?! [07:16] greymaus2 (n=greymaus@86-46-220-208-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:16] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [07:16] I want to go to the moon, but I don't spend time asking people about how to do that [07:16] multimas, most of them are afraid of the books..that is my concern [07:16] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [07:16] Ie, if your friend wants to try something, how about tell your friend to .. try something? :) [07:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-10-127.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:17] The-Croupier: I never read a book before starting to learn anything. That came later [07:17] The-Croupier: I am assuming your friend did not read a book on windows prior to using that. [07:17] Or read a book about bicycles before trying to ride a bicycle! [07:18] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-98.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:18] The net result will almost always be negative anyway, so why bother making an effort. [07:18] multimas, you see that is another problem..i told them to install vm first or use live cds and if they like it..then install it..but the point is they find it easy with livecds and vm...but when something goes wrong..they freak out and not prepared to read :( [07:18] The-Croupier: Yeah. So why do you keep pushing them? [07:19] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:19] why not do something fun instead ;) [07:19] multimas, like... [07:19] The-Croupier: Drinking beer, hanging out with friends, going to the cinema, I have no idea. [07:20] multimas, i didnt push them in any way...just there to help most of the time..but get really annoyed when they want you to do all the work and spoonfeed them :( [07:20] I can think of many things that are more fun that trying to convert someone from windows to linux without a reason. [07:20] multimas, ;) i do that anyway [07:21] greymaus_ (n=greymaus@86.46.254.18) joined ##slackware. [07:22] multimas, i dont try to convert anyone to anything...they asked i told them..also, i told them where to look for stuff..list of websites to read and all the rest..since my website went offline [07:23] The-Croupier: "google" tends to be the best answer. [07:23] :) [07:23] but noone is really interested in reading all they need is do something to show-off then sit back... [07:23] multimas, that was the first assignment for my students in the beggining of the year [07:23] The-Croupier: in that case, again, why bother? They are clearly not interested enough. [07:24] multimas, yeah..i suppose you are right... ;) maybe i take it personally (like someone is failing and its my fault) [07:24] I myself don't care about "Linux". I enjoy computer science. How computers work. How to program them. To say you like an OS seems sort of pointless (to me). [07:24] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:25] The-Croupier: Indeed. Relax. :} [07:25] multimas, i couldnt agree with you more...unless you run windows ;) [07:27] I couldn't care less about the OS you use. I don't care about your clothing or car either :] [07:27] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [07:27] Now, which beer you prefer however..! [07:28] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [07:28] multimas, not so many options in greek pubs really...amstel,heineken,bud [07:28] http://www.almanovamusic.com/sets/josh/19_Joshua_vN_live_@_Blush_Cherry_Lounge_May_19_2007.mp3 great track :) [07:28] and a few others the bottle ones really [07:28] The-Croupier: You live in greece? [07:30] multimas, fortunately yes [07:30] The-Croupier: Where in greece? [07:31] athens [07:31] Oh I envy you. [07:31] thank god antler is not here [07:31] multimas, no need..its not as good as it sounds ;) but weather and women are nice ;) [07:32] The_Faithful (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [07:32] The-Croupier: What is the temperature today? :) [07:32] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [07:32] dont know...little bit windy..but still wearing shorts ;) [07:33] Hah [07:33] Totally unfair :) [07:34] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [07:34] well...depends [07:35] Kerio2004 (n=Port@94.96.163.51) joined ##slackware. [07:35] multimas, where do yo live? [07:35] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:36] The-Croupier: Currently in Stockholm, Sweden [07:36] currently? [07:36] The-Croupier: Trying to move to the UK. [07:36] (I lived there when I was young) [07:36] multimas, from one cold place to the other ;) [07:36] The-Croupier: lucky guy, living in Greece:) must be sunny, beautiful. I'm in northern Canada. Spring has finally arrived, took off the snow tires yesterday:) [07:36] Hehe yeah. [07:37] yeah we too are having a sunny, "hot" day [07:37] hitest, well guys..you making me feel guilty [07:37] lol [07:37] i like snow, and snowboarding [07:37] http://www.webbkameror.se/webbkameror/stockholm/index.php [07:37] :) [07:38] The-Croupier: We can switch places! [07:38] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.146.28) joined ##slackware. [07:39] multimas, ok move over and get me a beer :p [07:39] Indeed - I prefer stouts myself :D [07:41] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [07:41] bojevnik_ (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [07:41] I like danish beers:) Faxe is good [07:41] bojevnik_ (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:41] hmm [07:41] i know very few beers most of them introduced by phrag :( [07:42] i just installed new ati drivers, btu when i run startx, it just gives me black screen [07:42] any suggestion? [07:42] oh and [07:42] im running 12.1 and my card is asus AH 3650 [07:42] i tried deleting them and reinstalling old ones [07:43] but it doesnt do anything [07:44] bojevnik: look in the logfile. [07:44] DyNaMiC (n=DyNaMiC@72.169.73.253) joined ##slackware. [07:44] where is it? [07:44] bojevnik: /var/log/ with all the others [07:45] bojevnik: look for WW and EE in it. [07:45] multimas: this? [07:45] (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. [07:46] yeah you are looking for warnings, errors, ... [07:47] (WW) RADEONHD(0): rhdAtomAllocateFbScratch: FW FB scratch area 536854528 (size: 16384) extends beyond available framebuffer size 268435456 [07:47] this are the only ones [07:48] caio_ (n=caio@200.2.124.206) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:49] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:49] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:50] gbonvehi (i=1000@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [07:51] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009004004.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:52] parkette (n=pjm@aard249.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:53] some sites suggest opensource drivers [07:53] where can i get hem? [07:55] caio_ (n=caio@200.2.124.206) joined ##slackware. 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[08:05] [Message] Kernel Module : Found kernel module build environment, generating ker$ [08:05] Channel flood from bojevnik -- kicking [08:05] AMD kernel module generator version 2.1 [08:05] doing Makefile based build for kernel 2.6.x and higher [08:05] bojevnik kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [08:06] take that [08:06] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [08:06] straterra lol [08:06] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [08:06] "< Eno_> is it true all slackware users are enormous?" found this..what does he mean? [08:06] why was i kicked? [08:06] use a pastebin [08:06] alisonken1home1 (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-175-47.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:06] ok [08:06] bojevnik: I would suggest that you can get your driver here: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx [08:06] you were kicked for flooding [08:07] i downloaded them from there [08:08] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@71.108.175.47) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:09] http://pastebin.com/m1e85dfe [08:09] hope i did it right [08:10] it says consult readme, but there is no readme in /usr/share/ati [08:11] hmm amybe it mean srelease notes on ati page [08:12] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [08:14] https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_cat92-inst.pdf [08:14] maybe that [08:16] bojevnik: Welcome back. I wonder - why on earth did you switch drivers? [08:16] bojevnik: If you have no major reason, "don't fix it if it aint broke" applies - simply go back to whatever you used before [08:17] i wondered if i can get tf2 on wine [08:17] not very samrt [08:17] barkink (n=barkink@194.27.243.25) joined ##slackware. [08:17] since i play it very rasrely [08:17] bojevnik: I don't understand? [08:17] sorry [08:17] my typing sucks [08:17] bojevnik: What does that have to do with a video driver upgrade? [08:17] bojevnik: Was the previous driver performing poorly? [08:18] game was crashing, right after intro [08:18] what i would like to do is to combine network shares in to one share for storage independent from filesystem... anyone has any clue? [08:18] and winehq [08:18] said that installing new drivers helps [08:18] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-134-7.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [08:19] cfdisk (n=cfdisk@unaffiliated/cfdisk) left irc: "Leaving" [08:20] bojevnik: video driver? Was the problem related to your video card and [same version] driver you were using? [08:21] barkink: Please elaborate. [08:22] dont know, i didnt check, beacuse i thought updateing drivers wouldnt be such bad idea anyway [08:22] bojevnik: Ok. It is *probably* not related to your video driver [version] [08:22] bojevnik: If I were you, I would switch back to the driver you had before (if you were happy with it) [08:22] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-445347ea8fdb3ced) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:23] bojevnik: If you're a hacker, break out dbg, order a pizza and start debugging! [08:23] i'm trying but for some reason it doresnt work anymore [08:23] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-2ba52b40993c100e) joined ##slackware. [08:23] multimas: ok let me try again [08:24] karlmag (n=karlmag@IT010246.UIB.NO) joined ##slackware. [08:24] bojevnik: Which driver did you previously use? 'ati' ? [08:24] dgb? [08:25] bojevnik: oh my bad, I meant gdb :). [08:25] bojevnik: (and it was a joke) [08:25] oh:) [08:25] yes [08:25] i would like to create one share, created from multiple shares on network independent from filesystem (could be samba share or nfs or ftp; doesnt matter) just a server organise these shares and serve only one share to clients... [08:25] ati-driver-installer-9-1-x86.x86_64.run [08:26] barkink: a samba share is, however, not independent of the file system since they are mapped directly to it [08:26] bojevnik: and that fails to run? [08:27] _64? [08:27] it runs and it completes install [08:27] bojevnik: and then what? [08:27] _64 ati adds that [08:27] multimas: can u be specific? [08:28] when i run startx i just get black screen [08:28] bojevnik: So, you get the same error as the newer driver? [08:28] yes [08:28] bojevnik: Does this happen even if you remove your Xorg configuration file? (make a backup first!) [08:29] you mean delete it? [08:29] barkink: samba shares are not independent of the underlying file system. [08:29] bojevnik: Right. [08:29] will try:) brb [08:29] barkink: Let me make a few assumptions here - what you want is a bunch of arbitrary shares without the need to have those shares in the same directory? [08:30] barkink: ie, you want to share "/foo/bar/", "/baz/fap" and "/grog/fap" but not share "/" [08:30] simplesso (n=simplex@uglyplace.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:31] multimas: nope, imagine a network, few machines plugged in to it and they have available spaces ready to be shared [08:31] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:31] Action: multimas imagines that (and flying goats) [08:31] multimas: :) u lost me? [08:31] barkink: Continue. [08:32] barkink, You want something like memcache, only with network shares? [08:33] multimas: ok i have few machines and have some disks available on them, so i want to combine these to a single network share [08:33] barkink: ..which is also available on the network you mean? [08:33] multimas: yeap [08:33] barkink: say C on computer A, C on computer B and C on computer C should be shared as "FAP" on computer D? [08:34] multimas: yea something like that [08:34] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:35] barkink: The straight forward way is very simple - simply mount those three shares in a directory on computer D, then share that directory. [08:35] barkink: again, yes, that is "filesystem dependant" - perhaps TL_CLD knows more here - I know nothing of said "memcache" [08:35] barkink: afaik though, you canot transparently proxy those shares with samba alone [08:36] no need to be only a samba share [08:36] barkink: you could of course have the "share mountpoint" on a ramdisk or something like that. [08:36] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:36] multimas: TL_CLD: so you guys say it should be filesystem dependent? [08:36] However I fail to see the point since the actual file system would be "physically" untouched (ie no read/writes) - the kernel would take care of that [08:37] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [08:37] barkink: Well how about I counter your "fs dependency" with asking _why_ you want that [08:37] This is not something memcached can handle, but it's the same kind of functionality. I was merely using memcached as an example to understand what barkink was trying to accomplish [08:37] multimas: lets say one share could be an ftp share, other could be NFS and some other could be samba [08:38] TL_CLD: Ah [08:38] barkink, Basically you want transparent distributed file storage, yes? [08:38] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [08:38] YESSS! [08:39] barkink: more or less any io protocol can be transparently mounted, so I don't see the problem :) [08:39] no? [08:39] (although ftp might be tricky due to technical restrictions of the protocol itself) [08:39] multimas: there are fuse modules for ftp too [08:39] multimas: can i ask a way to go for it? [08:39] macavity: Cool. Still risky business if you ask me. [08:40] it works nicely here [08:40] i first played with it on the old Mach based GNU/HURD [08:40] macavity: Indeed, but due to NAT issues problems could surface very easily in such a setup [08:40] macavity: not to mention the lack of transfer integrity within ftp [08:40] macavity: However, you surely know more than me regarding it since you've successfully used it! [08:41] Hmm, how about doing it using something like Beowulf? [08:41] barkink: Same as before really. Each protocol would be mounted in your "share" directory, then you would set up your daemons to share that directory [08:41] lets just say that mounting ~ via ftp would not be optimal.. but it is nice to mount ftp.slackware.no locally and use it for regular copy operations [08:42] Or how about this: http://www.danga.com/mogilefs/ [08:42] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:42] Floops (n=baihu@yo-mama.info) left irc: Connection timed out [08:42] multimas: but this cant be transparent right? [08:42] An other surfacing issue would be that everything would (preferably) have to be using async _or_ sync copies, and not a blend. Which in itself would be hard considering restraints of other operating systems, such as BSD [08:43] barkink: Sure it would. Sort of. [08:43] multimas: how? [08:44] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [08:44] barkink: Well, how would such a system not be transparent for the users? Everyone could mount it with their respective method [08:44] back:) [08:45] barkink: Also - since we have not specified the exact protocols, lack of features would be a problem, and you'd probably (for "full transparency") have to ignore atime, UID, GID, and so on [08:45] multimas, it gives different errors and it doesnt got to black screen, it throws me back to console [08:45] when i delete xorg.conf that is [08:45] but the weird thing is xorgsetup crushes if i got drivers installed [08:45] bojevnik: Alright - are they related to graphics or does it just complain about something else? [08:46] simplesso (n=simplex@twopenguins.it) joined ##slackware. [08:46] it complained something about ati druvers [08:46] bojevnik: neat! pastebin it [08:46] damn forgot to copy it [08:46] brb again:) [08:47] bojevnik: no worries - it'll be in your log file [08:47] Guys, why on earth are you doing this crap on a friday of all days! ^_^ [08:47] multimas,so that you have all weekend to screw up [08:47] ha :) [08:47] and make it work by monday ;) [08:49] http://pastebin.com/d2ebadd09 [08:50] but does /var/log/Xorg.0.log saves multiple crashes? [08:50] no.. but the previous on is in Xorg.0.log.old [08:50] *one [08:51] sorry if I sometimes take time to respond - I'm at work :p [08:52] [ in bed ] [08:52] bojevnik: that log looks fine anyhow - was it the wrong one? [08:52] line:109 ATI Technologies Inc unknown chipset (0x9596) is that how it should look? [08:53] it should be this one http://pastebin.com/d519a0ed9 [08:53] Yeah that's (reasonably) fine [08:53] but i was also trying install/unistall drivers [08:53] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:53] im not sure that is the lat one [08:54] best if i try again and save log to somewhere else where it wont be rewriten [08:54] quick question: how many times did you install/uninstall drivers..did you do it while it was doing something else (i.e installing some driver) [08:54] bojevnik: go for it [08:55] about 5installs and 5 unisntalls [08:55] just a sec need to install it again:) [08:55] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [08:57] Floops[w] (n=baihu@floopsie.broker.freenet6.net) joined ##slackware. [08:58] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:01] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [09:01] bojevnik_ (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [09:01] bojevnik_ (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:02] http://pastebin.com/d54c060f4 with drivers installed [09:03] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:03] http://pastebin.com/d877365c [09:03] no drivers*the last one( [09:04] mm ok, the builtin driver (non-proprietary) doesn't support your chipset I suppose. [09:05] very busy atm tho [09:05] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:06] bojevnik: put your Xorg.conf back, rerun X and show us the error log from that :) [09:06] are zou at work? [09:06] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:06] I am, yes [09:07] ok a sec [09:08] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:09] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [09:10] greymaus_ (n=greymaus@86.46.254.18) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:10] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [09:12] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [09:12] bojevnik_ (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [09:12] bojevnik_ (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:13] alkos333 (n=alkos333@nmd.sbx10826.dekalil.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [09:13] for building packages out of box in the same real machine, what's faster? kqemu, vbox or uml? [09:14] drives installed and xorg.conf in place http://pastebin.com/d57761a4b [09:15] athou i had an idea [09:15] you said buildin driver is bad? [09:15] because i remebered [09:15] bojevnik: well, it's not using *any* driver [09:16] bojevnik: it defaulted back to vesafb, which failed to initialize. [09:16] i use 12.1 because i got same black screen on 12.2 [09:17] oh then its not connected i guess [09:17] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:17] should i try again but this time aticonfig --inital? [09:17] bojevnik: it fails to enable dri. Disable it in the configuration file and try again just as a test. [09:18] bojevnik: it should be in the Module section. Simply add a # before the DRI option. [09:18] ok [09:18] bojevnik: also why do you quit irc between each test? [09:18] to go back to console and close kde [09:19] bojevnik: So you're in X? [09:19] yes [09:19] But then your X is working [09:19] huh?! so what is not working [09:19] not with drivers [09:19] What driver are you using now then? [09:19] Action: The-Croupier is really confused [09:19] And more importantly, what's wrong with them! [09:20] is it ctrl+alt+f2,3,4 which switches you through sessions? [09:21] radeonhd and openGl works very slowly [09:21] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [09:21] yes [09:21] sidmario (n=sidmario@201-43-55-166.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:21] bojevnik: Show us your current Xorg.log (the "working" one) [09:22] It'll be a good reference log. [09:22] you have three options: fix it, accept it, or switch to the propietary driver (and accept the problems that implies) [09:22] bojevnik: so which driver are you currently using? 'ati' ? [09:22] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [09:22] http://pastebin.com/d15c81973 [09:22] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [09:22] xorg.cinf says radeonhd [09:23] Oh I see [09:23] Is that something new? [09:23] :D [09:23] Ah radeonhd is the new open radeon driver [09:23] cool [09:23] dont know, ill paste xorg.conf [09:23] http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd [09:24] Specifically "8. Known Bugs & Limitations" [09:24] http://pastebin.com/d76f6aaef [09:24] bojevnik: and you have a radeon something oor other 9596? [09:24] bojevnik: (or tell me which card you have) [09:24] asus AH 3650 [09:25] ok [09:25] bojevnik: did you notive what i just said? [09:25] *notice [09:25] it has radeon proc [09:26] ... [09:26] what do ouy mean? [09:26] you* [09:26] i mean that, unless you are a programmer who knows who to help the radeonhd team, you wont get it to run fast [09:26] and i suspect that you are not [09:27] heh [09:27] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [09:27] macavity: Is that not exactly what he has been trying to do though? Get the proprietary driver working? [09:27] so, either you accept that radeonhd is not exactly fast, or you install the binary propietary poisonware from ATIs website [09:27] for the propietary driver, use the repack on slackbuilds.org [09:28] ill try that [09:28] that doesnt hose the system, and can be cleanly removed [09:28] sounds like a good idea [09:28] so, is the proprietary driver now called 'fglrx' ? [09:28] now? [09:28] it was always called that [09:28] its been called that for years [09:28] Alright [09:29] well, evidently http://pastebin.com/d57761a4b demonstrates he is trying to. [09:29] Since we know dri is loading fine with radeonhd, I wonder why it breaks with the proprietary driver. [09:30] ahh [09:30] (II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable [09:30] of course [09:30] right. Radeonhd. [09:30] only driver or also module? [09:31] also module [09:31] It all makes sense [09:31] bojevnik: Have you manually built your current kernel? [09:31] i suspect not [09:31] no [09:31] Poop. [09:32] just use the slackbuilds.org fglrx package and follow the instructions in the readme [09:32] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.107) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:32] especially the part about folowing the readme [09:33] oh, and did i mention, if you dont follow the readme for the fglrx package from slackbuilds.org, that too will blow up [09:33] It strikes me as odd how drmOpenDevice can fail on a bulk kernel [09:34] it does that here for a couple of time too [09:34] well [09:34] I mean fail on each device node [09:34] then, once the drm gizmo is done initializing things on the kernel side, eveything goes smoothly [09:34] artv61 (n=art@216.6.155.17) joined ##slackware. [09:34] any specifi order module and river should be installed? [09:34] (drmOpenDevice probes all nodes so that is fine) [09:34] The_Faithful (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:35] specific* [09:35] bojevnik: are you using the slackbuilds.org package? [09:35] yes [09:35] well i didnt before [09:35] macavity: Indeed, but I suspect in your case that *one* succeeds(ie, you have one video card) [09:35] now i will [09:35] macavity: in bojevnik's case, it never finds the ndoe at all [09:35] node [09:36] why the heck is there no package for 12.2?!? [09:37] alkos333 (n=alkos333@nmd.sbx10826.dekalil.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:38] what kernel version is 12.2? [09:38] 27.7 [09:39] ok, then the 8.512 version listed on slackbuilds will *not* play nice [09:39] they change some or the other.. [09:39] Slackware 12.2 ships with the 2.6.27.7 Linux kernel, the Xorg 1.4.2 X server [09:40] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.50) joined ##slackware. [09:41] gotta go..this was my last day of freely slacking around...nice talking to you guys ;) seeya soon ;) have a good one ;) [09:41] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "Java user signed off" [09:42] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.204.181) joined ##slackware. [09:42] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.204.181) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:43] ok installed both and added line on the end of rc.modules [09:43] should i run aticonfig --initial or just leave it as it is? [09:43] err [09:43] you dont add the X driver to rc.modules [09:43] it says so in readme [09:44] are you on 12.1 or 12.2? [09:44] 12.1 [09:44] there is no 12.2 [09:44] is YOUR system 12.1 or 12.2? [09:44] oh 12.1 [09:44] good :-) [09:44] then just go by the readme :-) [09:44] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.186) joined ##slackware. [09:45] the readme doesnt say what to do after installation:) [09:45] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:45] nvm [09:45] it does [09:45] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [09:45] at least readme.Sbo [09:47] what lines have you added to rc.modules [09:47] paste here [09:47] modprobe fglrx [09:48] good [09:48] multimas: sorry i have to join a meeting [09:49] bojevnik: did you do the fglrx-switch -fglrx command? [09:49] yes [09:49] and your fstab is in order? [09:50] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [09:50] Hey [09:50] yes now im checking xorg.conf thing [09:50] Akuma (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "So long sukkas!" [09:50] Finally, you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to make use of this driver. [09:50] It's a good idea to read also "Configuring the X server", in the section [09:50] "Setting up the 'fglrx' driver" at http://slackwiki.org/ATI_Graphics [09:50] multimas: what i mean with transparent is; not letting ppl see more than one share... [09:50] this:) [09:51] :-) [09:51] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-12-244-134.brnt.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:51] barkink: O_o what? :) I think you should make a schematic of your dream scenario or something :D [09:52] Warning: Option 'VideoOverlay' doesn't affect running session. [09:52] Warning: Option 'OpenGLOverlay' doesn't affect running session. [09:52] nothing to be concerned with right:) [09:52] ? [09:52] this is (i hope) because im in kde [09:53] bojevnik: try "glxinfo|grep direct" [09:53] bojevnik: What does it say? [09:54] direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) [09:54] OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect [09:54] bojevnik: you know the drill; put the log on pastebin. [09:54] but i havemnt restarted x yet [09:54] oh [09:54] . . [09:54] still going through wiki [09:54] d'oh. [09:55] or did you mean different log? [09:55] Ignore me. [09:55] :) [09:55] I thought you had gotten it working already. [09:58] ok restarting [09:58] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009089170.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:58] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009089170.user.veloxzone.com.br) left ##slackware. [09:58] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009089170.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:58] greymaus (n=greymaus@86.46.254.18) joined ##slackware. [09:58] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:59] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [09:59] bojevnik_ (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [09:59] bojevnik_ (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:59] umislack (n=sleeksla@58.64.94.26) joined ##slackware. [10:00] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [10:00] it funcking works:)))))))))) [10:00] \o/ [10:00] thank you all of you guys [10:01] nice one. [10:02] e01 (n=e01@main.shu-bg.net) left irc: [10:02] fraking NTFS [10:03] i cant remove an empty dir on it... because it thinks it is not empty [10:03] any input? [10:03] trash? [10:03] trash? [10:03] threaten it with a big stick [10:04] macavity: doesn't ntfs store metadata in a special trashfile? [10:04] :o [10:04] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-27-251-188.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Success [10:05] i know nothing about ntfs.. i just use it on my external hdd so people can actually read it [10:06] you should be able to see it (it isn't hidden) [10:06] called something like Trash or whatnot [10:06] (perhaps lsof can enlighten?) [10:07] rm -rf /media/disk/OldCrap fails [10:07] ..and the dirs are empty on manual inspection [10:07] macavity: even if you "find ." ? [10:07] yes [10:08] there is a shit load of deep dir structures that all end in empty dirs [10:08] is any one of them called Trash? :D [10:08] rm got rid of all the files.. it just somehow refuses to kill the dirs [10:09] macavity: what if you do it one by one to find the fault, say 'find . -type d -exec rm -f {}\;' ? [10:09] negative.. no Trash [10:10] that says "missing argument to -exec" [10:10] oh sorry [10:10] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:10] add a space between } and \ [10:11] nope.. bitches at the same dirs not being empty [10:11] macavity: ok, then cheat - just unmount, format, remount :] [10:11] i just ran it repeatedly [10:11] i cant [10:12] it has a shitload of data on it that i dont have anywhere else to put [10:12] bah, use find -delete [10:12] thrice`: ah. Of course. [10:12] :> [10:12] and why should find be able to delete it when neither unlink nor rm can? [10:12] who cares ;> [10:12] it won't [10:13] still good advice :) [10:13] yup... "Directory not empty" :-/ [10:13] your command looks good, though [10:13] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "link closed" [10:14] I still think it's magical metadata. [10:14] macavity: google the problem? [10:15] macavity: also - why can't you unmount it? [10:16] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:16] i just did [10:16] Carmela (n=echelon@unaffiliated/ishot) left irc: "leaving" [10:16] and mounted it again.. and unmounted it and what not [10:16] i just cant bloody rm a directory on it [10:17] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@208.233.36.250) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:17] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@201.234.200.99) joined ##slackware. [10:17] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [10:17] well i mean if you format it, your problem will go away :o [10:18] http://pastebin.ca/1401936 [10:18] and as i said, i have data on it i cant put anywhere else while i format it [10:18] macavity: also - I blindly assume "find . -not -type d" yields 0 results? [10:19] macavity: Oh. [10:19] Makaveli_ma (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [10:19] multimas: exactly.. 0 results [10:19] break out the hexeditor [10:19] read your source =) [10:19] windows can even remove this.. [10:19] google tields many results [10:20] yields [10:20] it could be a locale issue [10:21] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.107) joined ##slackware. [10:21] the ntfs-3g people says to upgrade [10:22] ok.. then i will go away eventually [10:22] now.. lets see windows choke on this :P [10:22] I would check if the locale was correct first [10:22] i just renamed it to "System Volume Information" :P [10:23] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:23] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [10:23] windows boxes always makes that dir on my disk :P [10:23] and i keep removing it [10:23] those bastards [10:23] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [10:23] multimas: all machines that have come into contact with that disk has the same locale settings [10:24] hi ppl, i have an integrated graphics with one dsub and one dvi output. i wanted to enable dual monitor but the monitor on the dvi port wont start up, like there is no signal on dvi. i have set-ed up on nvidia xorg settings as root, even enabled the xinerama, but my monitor wont start up. any suggestions? [10:24] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.186) left irc: "boika" [10:25] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.50) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:26] nvidia x server settings reads the full name of the monitor on the DVI port, but there is no signal on it [10:27] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:27] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [10:27] i have even restarted X several times... [10:28] nvidia..ati.. [10:28] awesome.... [10:29] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn41.78-99-3.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [10:30] Meckafett: bruschan. [10:31] barkink (n=barkink@194.27.243.25) left ##slackware. [10:36] positron (n=positron@89.152.184.207) joined ##slackware. [10:36] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:36] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:38] zx10k1 (n=nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) left irc: "Leaving" [10:39] Hello! I think this is not related to Slackware but I'm using Programmer Dvorak in a terminal, this is a great layout and I don't use X. However, my caps lock does not work. Anyone who messed with keymaps could help me making it work? [10:40] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.107) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:41] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) joined ##slackware. [10:42] I just came here because I installed Slackware today and I'm trying to set up my workstation the way I like. [10:42] positron: never had capslock issues with dvorak [10:42] slackytude (i=8d644bca@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-110e68b8905e0c87) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [10:43] Zordrak: Programmer Dvorak is not in the default keymaps. [10:43] I had to download it. [10:43] personally i use k=gb -layout dvorak [10:44] positron, gunzip the keymap, edit file, reload perhaps [10:44] I did that. [10:44] let me look at mine see how caplocks works [10:44] one sec [10:45] Is there a tool for console to configure the keyboard? [10:46] according to mine it's 'keycode 58 = Caps_Lock' [10:47] yours have that? [10:47] Yes. [10:47] hmm [10:48] dive: do you want to go to kaufmann web page and download the keymap? [10:48] positron, run the command 'showkey' in console and press caps lock. Tell me which key code it shows [10:49] 58 [10:50] must be something else missing from keymap perhaps [10:50] :( [10:51] It's bad to code things like SOME_VARIABLE [10:52] can you pastebin the keymap? [10:52] sure [10:53] Is there a wgetpaste in the repository? [10:54] you know elinks allows using an external editor for forms - eg vim [10:54] uhm [10:54] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:55] very easy to :split and open up a file [10:55] I'm in a one month experiment without X. [10:55] which browser do you use [10:56] positron: too bad you can't have multiple vga displays :( [10:56] links [10:56] try elinks from slackbuilds.org - you won't regret it [10:57] and install spidermonkey js engine slackbuild first [10:57] dive: I can do it but I started today with Slackware, I know elinks, give me some minutes. [10:57] ah ok [11:00] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:01] Portmapper2004 (n=Port@94.96.163.51) joined ##slackware. [11:01] Kerio2004 (n=Port@94.96.163.51) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:02] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [11:02] hughszg (n=hugh_2@222.65.125.243) joined ##slackware. [11:03] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@208.233.36.250) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:03] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:04] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] dive: http://rafb.net/p/vb61UN28.html [11:08] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009004004.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:08] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:09] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.129.188) joined ##slackware. [11:09] todakure (n=todakure@189.58.162.32) joined ##slackware. [11:09] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:10] todakure (n=todakure@189.58.162.32) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:10] positron, what happens if you put 'include "dvorak-layout"' at the top? [11:10] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [11:10] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [11:10] poona (n=psf_cyth@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [11:13] poona (n=psf_cyth@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Client Quit [11:13] positron, that map works for as it is.. [11:13] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [11:13] for me* [11:14] at least caps lock works [11:14] Doesn't work here. [11:14] dive: spidermonkey? [11:14] ah no it doesn't - the caps light comes on but there are no caps! [11:15] Zordrak, standalone javascript engine by mozilla [11:15] elinks can make use of it [11:15] cant find it in sbo [11:15] hmm [11:15] I copied dvorak.map.gz to /qwerty/ and included but it's the same. [11:15] I'm the maintainer :( [11:16] tamascsabi (n=tamascsa@catv-86-101-6-3.catv.broadband.hu) joined ##slackware. [11:16] must check in a sec [11:16] ahhhh [11:16] it's "network/js" [11:16] I mean I put in the same path and got the same result. [11:17] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-134-7.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:17] Zordrak, it should show up if you search for 'spidermonkey' [11:18] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [11:18] nope [11:18] well ok [11:18] it does [11:18] but on SBo, not sbopkg [11:18] i'm hungry [11:18] sbopkg will find anything on SBo [11:19] sbopkg just pulls the pure desc which just says Javascript-C [11:19] make sure to rsync [11:19] spook: you're out of context [11:19] no you're out of context [11:19] the damn system is out of context [11:19] *the whole [11:20] dive: maybe worth putting spidermonkey in the title [11:20] tamascsabi (n=tamascsa@catv-86-101-6-3.catv.broadband.hu) left ##slackware ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away"). [11:20] totally worth it [11:20] Zordrak, right I will have a look at it [11:21] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [11:21] js: SpiderMonkey - Mozilla's (JavaScript-C) Engine [11:21] (but admittedly, that's from SBo) [11:22] can only say in sbopkg theres no results for "spider" and in the lists and search dlg and browse dlg, it shows up as "network/js - JavaScript-C" [11:23] thats what she said [11:25] Herman (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:26] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.176.19) joined ##slackware. [11:27] woo for elinks! [11:27] finally something that can handle nagios [11:28] stillbor1 (n=blow_my_@MMMCMXXVI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [11:29] O'Sullivan rules, Allen drools! [11:29] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-2ba52b40993c100e) left irc: [11:32] <_chess_> Zordrak: use the string search in sbopkg and put spider*.*; js will come up [11:32] cant say i was aware of the string search [11:33] nonetheless the pkg could still do with a title mod [11:33] <_chess_> yep, the search box in sbopkg dialog will search by package name or by string [11:33] <_chess_> just enter your string and then tab to [11:33] *nod* [11:33] <_chess_> the button explains it [11:34] alice_ (i=alice@89.194.129.102) joined ##slackware. [11:34] if all else fails.. read the help ;-) [11:35] dont ever read the help, its a trick aimed at newbies [11:35] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.129.188) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:35] i am the resident perpetual newbie then :P [11:36] macavity: reverse pyschology [11:36] ip-route (n=mantened@unaffiliated/contraventor) joined ##slackware. [11:36] macavity: DON'T get my joke [11:36] ip-route (n=mantened@unaffiliated/contraventor) left ##slackware. [11:37] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] Thursap (n=bnguyen@58.187.182.62) joined ##slackware. [11:37] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.10) joined ##slackware. [11:38] how to know the creation date of a file? [11:38] ls -l ? [11:38] google's v8 is some nice code in spite of being C++ [11:38] what should it be written in? java? ahahahahaha [11:39] good C++ is worth a thousand shitty java apps [11:39] i have a friend , who likes to say: java is : c++-- [11:39] :] [11:39] spook: ls -l just show the modified date [11:39] Thursap: sure? [11:40] spook: I'm not sure why it couldn't be written in plain C [11:40] pi31415: because oop in C is very ugly. [11:40] schneiderr (n=me@p54BBBDDC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:40] mega (i=ph33r@2002:c944:4d7a:0:0:0:c944:4d7a) joined ##slackware. [11:40] spook, Java sucks a lot of memory for nothing [11:41] maxote: i hate java. [11:41] stillborn (n=blow_my_@MMDXLIX.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:41] spook: pretty sure, i've checked one file [11:41] mega (i=ph33r@2002:c944:4d7a:0:0:0:c944:4d7a) left ##slackware. [11:41] minimal requirement of memory for JVM is some as min. 32 MiB for smaller programs [11:41] spook: I am not sure why it needs OOP [11:41] Thursap: if only their was some sort of manual page for ls [11:41] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [11:41] when C programs need only KiBs of RAM [11:42] maxote: i'm not arguing. [11:42] pi31415: uhuh. [11:42] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@208.233.36.250) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:43] They can write scheme in C, why not javascript? [11:43] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-141-181.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [11:44] pi31415, is JavaScript ok for managing files? [11:44] maxote: It's tricky, but relatively easy in rhino or wsh. [11:45] maxote: I don't like the code quality of many javascript environments such as wxjavascript or jslibs. [11:45] i think that LuaJIT is faster and good for managing files [11:45] _chess_: reminds me.. while you're there.. theres a menu somewhere.. probably that one.. where <- and -> are transposed with up and down [11:46] I've been told that LUA was never intended to be a general purpose language, and that if I want to use it, I should embed it in a program that can do what I want. [11:47] arny (n=arny@92.82.53.191) joined ##slackware. [11:47] ugh... [11:47] tribeca (n=vedo@host162-103-static.20-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [11:47] alienBOB, on? [11:47] positron, the problem seems to be in the keycode 30 line - comment it out and it works [11:48] positron, you will have to have a look to get the specific character, but that should be a start for you [11:49] <_chess_> Zordrak: I think you mean that one, but there's no away around it. The input box has control of <- -> so you can move the cursor. [11:49] oic.. kk [11:51] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [11:52] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430065.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:54] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [11:56] spook: dont see a switch for showing creation time :( [11:56] maybe another command? [11:56] check lsattr [11:56] oh wait [11:56] stat [11:59] unfortunatly, stat show acess, modify, change. but not create :( [11:59] I don't think anything shows creation time [11:59] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [11:59] I might be wrong though [12:00] modify and change are the same thing [12:00] hey dive ;) [12:00] hi [12:00] create access and modify are the three times. [12:00] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.248) left irc: "Leaving" [12:01] alice_ (i=alice@89.194.129.102) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:01] not really any benefit in the extra diskspace for creation time imo [12:01] security. [12:02] the latest *buntu is out of the cage :p [12:02] yeah I guess so [12:02] time to troll #ubuntu claiming theres backdoors and rootkits [12:03] botnet is there for mac if u wanna talk about that stuff [12:05] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:05] AMD claims their latest PII 955 can hit 7ghz :O [12:05] heh [12:05] yeah [12:06] liars [12:06] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:06] 45nm chips are quite incredible [12:06] I bet it can go beyond that [12:06] :p [12:06] i bet it can..with the liquid helium they used to do it [12:06] it will with a poke [12:06] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-157-235.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Success [12:07] Hits 4.2Ghz with stock cooler [12:08] speed is not so important anymore. [12:08] So atleast 4.5Ghz with aftermarket air cooler [12:08] yes its not [12:08] Intel's architecture is superior [12:09] its debatable [12:09] i7 is better than anything AMD has to offer [12:09] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:10] yeah but amd is playing catchup [12:10] but overall AMD beats Intel in value dept [12:10] caio_ (n=caio@200.2.124.206) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:10] if we only had intel, they would have us over a barrel [12:10] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009004004.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:10] kinesis__ (n=k@68-29-215-101.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:10] nothing wrong with healthy competition [12:11] the ummmm... wolfdale? [12:11] 45nm quads, are comparable to the PII [12:11] yep [12:11] but PII 955 doeswell against i7 920 [12:11] and actually outperforms it in some tests [12:12] at least until intel goes to 32nm [12:12] and AMD 28nm [12:12] :p [12:12] is 28nm the next die shrink? [12:12] IBM says it will move to 28nm even before Intel [12:12] yes it is [12:13] hmmm, thought it was 32 for some reason [12:13] getting too small... quantum effets bad... [12:14] If IBM can do that it'll directly benefit AMD [12:14] Necos: iya, baka da [12:14] lol [12:14] why you gotta ruin my fun? [12:14] baka ja nai no ni... =p [12:15] I'm off in a sec, when positron comes back can someone point him to ky comments about keycode 30 above please [12:15] nazenara da. [12:15] dive: lemme get this right [12:15] which lang is this? [12:15] Jean (n=jean@93-36-225-52.ip62.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [12:15] i tell him that he needs to use ky jelly? [12:15] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:15] hahaha [12:15] yeah that'll do [12:15] ttyX: nihongo! [12:16] Nihao :p [12:16] wrong language [12:16] nihaoma [12:16] lol [12:16] isnt that wai nihao? [12:17] just walk up to a chinese woman and say "wo ai ni" ^_~ [12:17] Necos: what does that mean? [12:17] Ill do it as soon as I see one [12:17] arny: now I am [12:17] "I love you" (buddy's mom taught me that) [12:17] Necos: i figured, from the ai [12:17] duryodhan (n=duryodha@nat/yahoo/x-ae7cfcc001f343ec) left irc: "leaving" [12:18] ai = artificially intelligent [12:18] not really :p [12:18] ai is the reading for the kanji that represents love in both japanese and chinese [12:19] it has the radical for heart inside it. [12:19] but the poeple from the 2 countries aren't that compatible are they? [12:20] japan pretty much copied the chinese characters [12:21] umislack (n=sleeksla@58.64.94.26) left irc: "leaving" [12:23] look at a picture of gaara from naruto (he has it tattooed on his face) [12:23] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:23] yup [12:24] spook, not only did they copy them, they chose only 2,000 of the some 50,000 chinese characters to use... [12:24] girlfriend used all the toilet paper and now i need to poop [12:24] urg :( [12:24] LOL [12:24] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:24] acidchild2: do you like scat? because i have a solution for you. [12:24] acidchild2: time to get a new girlfriend =p [12:24] Necos: his gf is very awesome. [12:24] alienBOB, can we talk in pm? [12:24] LOL [12:24] lol [12:25] ttyX (i=1000@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [12:25] she could have gone to the store and got some more or pre-warned me. [12:25] i think you need to install a gps in your girlfriend acidchild2 =p [12:25] nope. [12:25] i dont do GPS credit checks or criminal record checks on people i date [12:25] unlike some freaks. [12:26] alot of people do that shit :/ [12:26] I do [12:26] gpsing isnt that bad [12:26] I mean the govt does that :p [12:26] either is credit check/criminal record [12:26] Hi. Has anyone tried installing slackware on neo freerunner? [12:26] poona: poooooooooooon [12:26] straterra needs to know where he's going to break in [12:26] spook: how do you manage to out-dumb yourself nearly every day? [12:26] psychild (n=psychild@189.174.129.24) left irc: "leaving" [12:27] spook: ? [12:27] poona: how do you like the neo freerunner? [12:27] thrice`: lots of dope [12:27] i was considering getting one. [12:27] arny: in 15 minutes when I finish my diner [12:27] thrice`: its a lifetime aspiration [12:27] I see [12:27] alienBOB, ok [12:27] acidchild2: thought of giving it a try. but wanted to know if anyone has tweaked slack for freerunner [12:27] thrice`: bottles of rum help too [12:27] poona: you've not got one yet? [12:28] spook has way too much rum [12:28] acidchild2: nope. want to find out everything about it before going for one [12:28] ok will anyone help me in choosing a filesystem for a PC which is prone to a lotta powercuts [12:28] acidchild2: any idea? [12:28] ttyX: a journaled one [12:28] jfs? [12:29] poona: i changed my mind on the neo free runner. [12:29] as its not ready for 'end users' [12:29] I use xfs on my lappy [12:29] orks nicely [12:29] like dialing, SMS, MMS etc isn't fully working and stable [12:29] Thursap (n=bnguyen@58.187.182.62) left irc: "leaving" [12:29] works* [12:29] lol [12:29] I heard jfs is better [12:29] acidchild2: it isn't? [12:29] ttyX: ext3 would work fine. [12:29] acidchild2: if I purchase it, it would be for testing and experimenting [12:29] xfs is terrible for power loss situations [12:30] Necos: well i went in their channel [12:30] and asked about it [12:30] freenode can be annoying. I type /join #c++, which redirects me to ##c++, which redirects me to ##overflow. [12:30] bijit (n=benji@190.241.15.48) joined ##slackware. [12:30] they said its no longer being developed [12:30] but for laptop it works ok [12:30] Necos: might try android [12:30] i have an iphone :) [12:30] for PC jfs? [12:30] ttyX: use ext3 [12:30] jfs > ext3 for power loss [12:31] fuck iphones! >.< [12:31] acidchild2: :O [12:31] acidchild2: what is no longer being developed? [12:31] poona: the software for the neo free runner. [12:32] slackware WOULD install on it. but your going in for a lot of work [12:32] acidchild2: my friends are making fun of me [12:32] saying they are going to stage an intervention before i get a mac [12:32] spook: meh :P [12:32] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-27-109.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:32] also telling me i'm breaking the law for not wearing a turtle neck while using my iphone [12:32] spook: i have an ipod touch. [12:32] acidchild2: software? i thought it runs debian or your own version of linux [12:32] my gf has one of those, which is why i got an iphone. [12:33] lol [12:33] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "link closed" [12:33] poona: yes, but package sets and kernel configs... etc [12:33] programs to interact with the hardware [12:33] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:34] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:34] acidchild2: even the work on debian is scrapped? that is strange [12:34] i dunno dude. [12:35] if you have 400-500$ to just waste on a experiment, then go for it [12:35] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:36] It is $299, isn't it? [12:36] -shrugs- [12:36] my windows box died [12:36] maybe? *checks* [12:36] too many powercuts for it :p [12:36] ttyX: good. [12:36] need to install linux ow [12:36] now* [12:36] ttyX: fix your power. [12:36] poona: i dunno [12:36] one of us is gonna have to try it i think [12:36] my blackberry is fuckz0r3d, so i need to replace it with something [12:37] spook: can't fix the powerstation of my country ;) [12:37] ttyX: ups [12:37] ttyX: you can fix the power to your apartment/house/cardboard box [12:37] + genpower [12:37] ups! [12:37] slackware has genpower support. [12:37] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@pool-64-223-224-206.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [12:38] acidchild2: guess so. same here. have to replace my cellphone. and it is good to experiment too, if one wants to customize their version of linux [12:38] is that where it uses the losing momentom of the cpu fan to drive a turbine? [12:38] poona: same =/ [12:38] my phone has started dropping calls [12:38] =[ [12:39] acidchild2: no its a bit of software that talks to the ups and shuts down the computer in powerfail situation [12:39] spook: i know :-p [12:39] acidchild2: grrr :P [12:39] poona: 299 is not a bad price =/ [12:40] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-163-171.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:40] w0w bsod and reboot [12:40] cool [12:41] what do macs have? [12:41] in place of bsod i mean [12:41] they just hang [12:41] that sux [12:41] with a little color wheel [12:42] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [12:42] I heard they have wsod [12:42] acidchild2: absolutely. 299 is a great price. but before I even think about buying it, i want to know if anyone has customized slackware for it [12:42] macs dont post like pcs [12:43] poona: are you not able to do it yourself? [12:43] like if the hdd fails, you have to put in the diagnoistic cd to find out [12:43] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:43] i think i could get slackware on there for sure. [12:43] all the drivers and applications are opensource... so porting them shouldn't be too hard for a diffrent filesystem layout [12:43] acidchild2: don't have the phone to try it. would want to try it though [12:44] slackware on iphone? [12:44] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A74008.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] nope [12:46] debian works on iphone though [12:46] after you jail break it, alot of things are possible [12:47] uh..Slackware only comes in 31/32 bit varients.. [12:47] 31 bit? [12:47] the iPhone isn't x86 [12:47] spook: yes..S/390 is 31/32 bit [12:47] ah. [12:47] depending on how you look at the cpu arch [12:48] how long since the s/390 port was updated? [12:48] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) left irc: "byez" [12:48] AFAIK, its kept up to date [12:50] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:50] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.189) joined ##slackware. [12:50] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.107) joined ##slackware. [12:51] damn now it boots I thought I could fool my bro and install Linux on it :p [12:51] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009004004.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:51] insomnis (n=insomnis@32.168.215.210) joined ##slackware. [12:54] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:55] Floops[w] (n=baihu@floopsie.broker.freenet6.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:56] Floops[w] (n=baihu@floopsie.broker.freenet6.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:12] wtf are st sd sr [13:12] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "link closed" [13:12] comes up on the dmesg, says they're drivers [13:12] pastebin the dmesg about it [13:13] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [13:13] give me a moment to bring up X and i'll pastebin that for you spook [13:16] http://pastebin.ca/1402068 [13:17] that's the output of my dmesg | grep -i driver [13:17] see Driver 'st' needs updating... [13:17] uhuh [13:18] a bit curious why it's asking to update [13:18] or suggesting may be the better word [13:19] mikk0 (n=mikk01@YMMCCCXXIV.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [13:19] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: Connection timed out [13:20] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:21] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [13:22] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:22] vastina: try google its a known issue with the kernel [13:22] what kernel version are you using? just out of curiosity [13:23] Fiyawerkin (n=fiyawerx@c-68-82-173-91.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:23] if its a 12.2 install, its 27.7 [13:23] I had a nightmare last night. I woke up in a world with out slack. [13:23] found my answer [13:23] thank you [13:23] sahko: got it [13:23] and thanks [13:24] Anyone know of a generic utility library that can by used by SWIG? For example, to give better file i/o functions to a minimal language such as LUA? [13:24] copland-leopard: Still thy tongue, knave. Such a land doth not exist. [13:24] pi31415: meatspin does that [13:24] 2.6.27-7-smp [13:24] for sahko [13:24] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: "leaving" [13:24] I blame thrice` for that nightmare [13:25] spook: know of a URL for that? [13:25] ahhhhh I've been StratRolled!! [13:25] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] enigma (n=mysterio@p5B364C09.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:26] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.107) left irc: "Leaving." [13:29] canyouscore (n=user@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] pi31415: google it. [13:30] chopp: huh? [13:30] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1503 [13:30] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-163-171.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [13:31] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-163-171.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:31] chopp: i was there when it happened lol. [13:31] Hello everyone [13:32] enigma: you are an enigma [13:32] chopp, argh [13:32] chopp, my eyes are bleeding [13:32] are you from hpr ? [13:32] tell straterra not me! haha [13:33] y0 slackytude. How's it going? [13:33] i will install slackware 12.2 as Guest on virtualbox. Can anybody help me? [13:33] firebird619, greetings! doing good, just got home an hour ago or so, time for weekend ^-^ Or is it for you? [13:34] My Hostsystem is debian 5.0.0 lenny [13:34] canyouscore (n=user@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:34] slackytude: Yeah, about time for weekend, it's 12:33 PM here on Friday. [13:35] slackytude: New opera 10 snapshot out today, but not available for linux yet. It says maybe early next week or so. [13:35] enigma, what do you need help with? [13:35] firebird619, nice1 [13:35] its 0135 sat morning here [13:35] firebird619, so I get to do something usefull next week [13:35] yay weekend [13:36] slackytude: :) yeah [13:36] slackytude: Something to look forward to now. [13:36] is there a changelog? [13:36] 01:32 < spook> its 0135 sat morning here [13:36] loool [13:37] you quoted yourself [13:37] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:37] virtualbox created vdi images, in which the guestsystem will be installed. But slackware 12.0 has Problems to make partitions for install [13:37] slackytude: look at the times [13:37] slackytude: There's a changelog for it on my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog. [13:37] thx [13:38] enigma, I hope you mean 12.2? and what problems [13:38] maybe slackware cant install on vdi images? [13:38] I have slackware installed in VirtualBox. It work's great. [13:38] I have 12.2 and -current. [13:39] 12.2 installs just fine in Virtualbox [13:39] 12.0 installs fine in virtualbox [13:39] i installed my penis in your mum. < had to be said. [13:39] the aktuall 12.2 i download in this moment, and try again. My last try was with slackware 12.0 [13:39] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:41] man, new ubuntu relase [13:42] and no entry on linux hater blog [13:42] what a Distribution and what a version i must use in virtualbox? Linux and arch linux? [13:42] ........ [13:42] enigma: if you are a troll, you are not a good one [13:42] enigma, linux and whatever [13:42] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [13:42] sorry my english is not so good [13:43] slackytude: we need to troll #ubuntu [13:43] eh,dont feel the need [13:43] I might consider #ubuntu-women tho [13:43] what a configuration i must use in virtualbox? Distribution: "Linux" Version: "arch linux" ? [13:43] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:44] enigma, yeah, why not [13:44] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] enigma: to install slackware in virtualbox I alway use Linux - 2.6 kernel or whatever the nearest equivalent is [13:45] no one was biting in #ubuntu ... :( [13:45] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:46] spook, they are in their happy place [13:46] anyone have LTO3 SAS ? [13:46] they got the jackalope now [13:47] psychoSocial- (i=0@189.107.67.38) joined ##slackware. [13:47] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:47] where i down this library ? {error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk-2.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory} [13:48] thanks BP i try it with this configuration. [13:48] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:50] psychoSocial-, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/wxGTK/ [13:50] this is 2.8 tho [13:50] gar0t0: err..lto3 sas? [13:51] straterra: yes [13:51] As in..serial attatched scsi? [13:51] straterra, Ive seen you with a bra on O_o [13:51] me eyes still hurt [13:52] you've been stratrolled [13:52] Action: slackytude nods [13:52] badly [13:53] straterra: http://www.quebarato.com.br/classificados/drive-lto3-ultrium-920-sas-interno-400-800-gb-eh847a__3893993.html [13:53] lol [13:53] zounds (n=zounds@81-234-214-184-no68.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:56] gar0t0: there's..nothing on that page [13:56] I've never seen a SAS tape drive [13:57] But it should just show up as scsi [13:57] slackytude: thx guy [13:57] ^-^ [13:59] caio (n=caio@200.2.124.206) joined ##slackware. [14:02] arny (n=arny@92.82.53.191) left irc: "Leaving" [14:05] gabriel (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [14:07] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@pool-64-223-224-206.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [14:07] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@pool-64-223-224-206.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. 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[14:35] anyone have any ideas what this error i get when i try to run gmusicbrowser's "browser" might mean: [14:35] http://pastebin.com/m37aad127 [14:35] bad perl module? [14:36] hrmm [14:38] hello Dominian :) [14:38] watching the weirdest teacher on MIT open course ware. [14:38] rofl [14:39] awkward as hell [14:39] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgfkEUOFAj0&feature=PlayList&p=F706B428FB7BD52C&index=0 [14:39] psychoSocial- (i=0@189.107.67.38) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:40] awkwarddddddddd [14:40] how would i install Layout::Window [14:40] cpan? [14:40] # cpan Layout::Window [14:40] thanks acidchil1 [14:40] and say yes to alot of things [14:40] thanks acidchild2 [14:41] rofl [14:41] acidchild2: dubstep still fooked? [14:41] dubstep? [14:41] yes [14:41] acidchild2: I guess so.. nevermind hehe [14:41] ezrafree: yes.. acidchild2's baby [14:41] aka server [14:42] Action: Dominian was int he middle of tracking down a libi ssue when it decided to take a shit [14:42] gabriel (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:42] ahh i see [14:42] never been a fan of dubstep myself [14:42] (the music) [14:42] acidchild2: May 1st! [14:42] not far off! [14:42] gabriel (n=gabriel@nat-wifi-voip.campus.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [14:42] lol :) [14:43] ezrafree: i love dubstep [14:43] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.107) joined ##slackware. [14:43] acidchild2: nice :) [14:43] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:43] acidchild2: lets give one of the servers an obscenely long and annoying hostname [14:43] i listen to mostly downtempo/triphop [14:44] so when you login it looks something like: [14:44] methylenedioxymethamphetamine.7a69.co.uk ? [14:44] lmao [14:44] supercalifragilisticexpialidocious:~$ [14:44] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A74008.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:45] hmm it can't find Layout::Window [14:45] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A74008.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:45] yet glib seems to be asking for it when i start gmusicbrowser's browser [14:45] ezrafree: cpan.perl.org [14:45] positron (n=positron@89.152.184.207) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:46] ezrafree: try Window [14:46] gabriel (n=gabriel@nat-wifi-voip.campus.utfsm.cl) left irc: Client Quit [14:46] I have a feeling that's what it is.. just giving a subset or something of the module. [14:46] coudl be wrong though [14:48] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [14:50] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [14:50] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:50] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [14:52] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.123.127) joined ##slackware. [14:52] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Operation timed out [14:52] omgwtfgtfolmaobbq [14:53] >.> [14:53] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [14:54] leave it to nullboy... [14:54] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-134-7.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:54] Dominian: pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis.kakistocracy.co.uk ? [14:55] >.<;; [14:55] do you think bind will accept that? [14:55] acidchild2: hahahaha [14:55] for a PTR record [14:55] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [14:56] doubt it =p [14:56] i don't even know the limit [14:56] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [14:56] i do believe there is some sort of limit on characters though [14:56] not sure what it is offhand either [14:56] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:58] 255 maybe. [14:58] acidchild2: that works [14:58] Action: acidchild2 would defo have to add a hosts file entry [14:58] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-27-109.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [15:00] your hosts file will not like that >. [15:00] >.> [15:00] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.189) left irc: "brb" [15:00] diabolix (n=jsoyke@206.210.81.55) joined ##slackware. [15:00] well i was going to do [15:01] add a short name like 'md' [15:01] all lies [15:01] ^_~ [15:02] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [15:02] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:02] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [15:05] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.186) joined ##slackware. [15:05] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:07] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:07] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [15:07] damn, this is wierd... not seeing any sort of abnormally high traffic coming off these switches, but everyone's complaining about slow internett... [15:08] are they all accessing the same fscking site at the same time? [15:08] tell them all to get the hell off youtube and get to work [15:08] lol [15:09] our internets are getting reddited right now, we seem to be holding up. [15:09] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430065.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:09] Portmapper2004 (n=Port@94.96.163.51) left irc: [15:09] nah, they're school district websites and google searches [15:09] i already know that google has a problem with LAUSD... but even the district sites are slow.... i think someone fucked up [15:10] there is one thing of interest here, though... [15:11] othermindszine (n=othermin@165.sub-75-216-0.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [15:11] one machine just sent out a UDP broadcast from port 1037 [15:11] which seems like a trojan >.> [15:12] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [15:12] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] hughszg (n=hugh_2@222.65.125.243) left irc: "Leaving." [15:13] s0d0 (n=john@host86-175-193-17.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:16] very very strange [15:16] DyNaMiC (n=DyNaMiC@72.169.73.253) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:17] Floops[w] (n=baihu@floopsie.broker.freenet6.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:18] Floops[w] (n=baihu@floopsie.broker.freenet6.net) joined ##slackware. [15:18] man, i thought that chinese hackers would know to stay far away from LAUSD [15:19] nope, they're just as stupid as ever... [15:19] lol [15:20] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:21] we left a sign saying "stay the fuck off the grass"... did they listen? nope! [15:21] lol! [15:22] it's a travesty, i tell ya... [15:23] nille_ (n=nille@c-d92772d5.36-62-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [15:25] oh wtf... [15:26] Domain name: lausd_user's LimeWire Tunes._daap._tcp.local [15:30] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:31] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [15:33] we have some dipshit running limewire [15:33] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "suckers" [15:33] DESTROY HIM [15:34] but apparently, my coworker called the district office, and there [15:34] 's a district level internet problem >.> [15:34] that doesn't matter now that you found Mr Limewire [15:34] that's a hazard [15:34] lol [15:34] yes [15:35] just nmapped the box, and it seems limewire might be blocked from incoming connections to it... [15:36] which scan options did you use? [15:37] Nick change: vastina -> kernel_sanders [15:37] stealth syn scan [15:37] -sS [15:37] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:37] backtrack is useful when you don't have a linux lappy [15:37] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-98.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:38] kernel_sanders (n=vastina@206.105.111.186) left irc: "leaving" [15:38] Necos: since it's your network try doing a connect() scan instead -sT [15:38] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [15:39] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-5-153.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:39] i try not to alert my users that they're being scanned... but i really should start hijacking the messenger service [15:39] hughszg (n=hugh_2@222.65.125.243) joined ##slackware. [15:40] i've never had any users who would know they were being scanned [15:40] hmmm yeah, connect scan is only returning ports for 139 / 445 [15:40] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [15:40] ms-metbios [15:40] Necos: try -sU now [15:41] -sU is a UDP scan, no? [15:41] yep [15:41] yeah [15:41] nmap sucks at udp scans [15:41] ;x [15:41] lol [15:41] I installed slackware without X, now I've set /etc/profile.d/lang.sh export LANG=zh_CN.UTF-8, but the console still can't display Chinese normally, can you please urgently advise? Thanks. [15:41] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Client Quit [15:42] do you have a terminal app that supports unicode? [15:42] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl8-67-131.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:42] Necos: I'm not sure, how to check that? [15:43] oh wait, you're not running X... >.> [15:43] so it would just be bash [15:43] previously, I installed slackware with KDE, and then install lang from disk3 and then do some settings in KDE, the terminal will be able to display chinese [15:43] i think bash has unicode support [15:44] Necos: when I open Mutt or Lynx, there should be chinese displayed, but now just in a mess [15:44] what about fonts? [15:44] totally unreadable [15:44] i'm not sure those are covered with the lang setting [15:44] do you have the console fonts installed? [15:45] Necos: no, [15:45] >.> [15:45] fontsel? [15:45] but when my slackware with kde, I haven't installed console fonts separately, however it works [15:45] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [15:46] those are not console fonts, those are fonts selected by font-config for X [15:46] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [15:46] you're using console, so you need to select the proper console fonts too =p [15:46] yes, then I shouldn't need to install fonts for console separately as I haven't done so before [15:46] when there is X [15:46] console doesn't use font-config [15:47] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:47] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-75-35-180-38.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:47] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:48] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [15:48] someone please correct me if i'm wrong [15:49] sh0ne (n=unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [15:50] sh0ne (n=unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:50] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:50] http://pixelatedgeek.com/2009/03/tampon-flash-drive/ [15:50] Necos: i believe I have found the solutions, there is a pdf from google explained this. I will give back the feedback when I am done. thank you! [15:50] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [15:51] k :) [15:51] enigma (n=mysterio@p5B364C09.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("Verlassend"). [15:52] this is hilarious http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/images/I027/10288215.aspx [15:52] that'll fit in any woman's USB slot...lmao [15:52] omfg nullboy... tampon ftl [15:52] hahaha [15:52] what if your gf was like "hey i need you to print a document off the flash drive for me" [15:52] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-23.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:52] "bitch, do you know where that's been?!" [15:54] i bet if you bought one of those for your girlfriend you wouldn't have sex for a year [15:54] i would [15:54] you don't count [15:55] why not? [15:56] cuz you wear a bra [15:56] exactly [15:56] so..a man who wears a bra would get laid..but you wouldn't.. [15:56] Me++ [15:57] you forgot to mention the use of sedatives in getting laid [15:57] we all just got pwned [15:57] Is that an edible bra? [15:57] colmcille: http://www.fuhell.com/bra [15:57] You tell me [15:57] :P [15:58] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl12-88-159.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:58] I am *so* scarred. x_x [15:58] Stratrolled [15:58] lol [15:58] you need to do it in a rapid fire flash file [15:59] Hmm? [15:59] ewww [16:00] like this http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/rgb.swf [16:00] http://tinyurl.com/cdomby [16:00] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:00] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.186) joined ##slackware. [16:02] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [16:03] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:03] thats u? [16:03] lol [16:04] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:05] "all the lonely people, where do they all come from" [16:06] c1rcuit (n=c1rcuit@pool-70-111-206-105.nwrk.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:06] during installation, will i be prompted to choose a desktop environment? [16:06] straterra's basement... [16:07] ooooo look at all the lonely people [16:07] brb, gonna walk back upstairs to my office... need to do some more analysis on these logs [16:08] bhodgins_ (n=bhodgins@pool-64-223-224-206.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:08] does anyone know how i can find out the nntp link of a certain newsgroup on an nttp server? [16:12] rtcg (n=rtcg@static-71-244-46-30.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:12] Where on the source installation cds does one extract the .config file used in building the huge-smp kernel? [16:12] or any kernel, for that matter. [16:12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNjUpR7qwNE [16:12] Grandma with a Gun [16:12] hahaha [16:13] oh..there it is.. in kernels.. phew [16:14] during installation, will i be prompted to choose a desktop environment? [16:14] yes. [16:14] ok [16:15] Grandma with a gun! hahah I don't even think she hit the target. (poor potential innocent bystanders) Where do you find this kind of stuff acid? [16:15] haha [16:15] youtube [16:15] rtcg: any of the kernel packages has the coresponding .config... named /boot/config-name-of-kernel-package-n.n.n[-smp] [16:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EVqT3XEzss [16:15] also, if i select the partition where i currently have fedora, will it completely write over it? [16:15] these guys just can't handle it [16:15] thats one hell of a rifle [16:16] what caliber? [16:16] .577 [16:16] t-rex [16:16] that's it? [16:16] pfft [16:16] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@pool-64-223-224-206.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [16:17] 2581 fps & 11100 foot pounds w/ a 750 grain [16:17] means nothing to me [16:17] heh [16:17] that's a big bullet [16:17] that's basically what that means :) [16:17] rtcg (n=rtcg@static-71-244-46-30.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("to go recompile kernel"). [16:18] idiots. [16:18] the recoil is kicking their ass because they are totally standing wrong [16:18] yep [16:18] c1rcuit (n=c1rcuit@pool-70-111-206-105.nwrk.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:19] they are shooting like a bunch of schoolgirls [16:19] amateurs with guns = bad results [16:20] especially when people that know what they are doing give novices things they shouldnt have just to make a fun vid [16:20] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:20] but hey, i take my weapons seriously [16:20] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:20] it's a gun not a toy [16:21] see, this guy gets it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BYnG4vrb-U&NR=1 [16:21] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430065.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:21] PSYCHOSOCIAL- (i=0@189.107.20.10) joined ##slackware. [16:22] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430065.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:22] ya thats proper [16:22] i thought he was a little tight in stance [16:22] but was well [16:22] i like to randomly put one or two magnum loads into the shotgun, mixed with super light bird shot [16:22] cant really see legs, but ya =) [16:23] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:23] anyone know of any geeky websites like digg/reddit that tend to make alot of traffic? [16:23] diabolix: stumble! upon [16:23] add your blog to stumble [16:24] i like this one, it's just 270 but she's pretty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-0h_Jqp3q4 [16:25] i'd ph33r that girl if she was my wife [16:26] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. 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[16:31] heh! she had no idea [16:32] my lil 357 got a little kick to it, but nothing like that 50 cal [16:32] my 12g has a nice kick [16:32] 12ga is a sexy kick [16:32] i have a 12 too, it will ruin your shoulder if you dont have a good grip on it [16:32] mine isnt [16:32] i love how a 12ga feels [16:33] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [16:33] mine damn near shattered my moms jaw because she didnt have it held tight [16:34] hughszg (n=hugh_2@222.65.125.243) left ##slackware. 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[17:42] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@pool-64-223-224-206.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:43] what in the heck am i doing wrong in my kernel build!, with both the stock kernel and my custom kernel the nvidia driver will install and run but my screen resolution really sucks with it something like 480x320, but the stock generic driver gives me 1024x768 [17:44] reg00: base=0x000000000 ( 0MB), size= 1024MB, count=1: write-back line 2 > reg01: base=0x03ff00000 ( 1023MB), size= 1MB, count=1: uncachable [17:45] Pig_Pen, u sure nvidia driver is on xorg.conf ? [17:45] yup, i let it run nvidia-xconfig at the end of the install [17:46] strange [17:46] i would force a modeline in xorg.conf [17:46] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:47] how do you do that? [17:47] ask luke [17:48] skywalker? [17:49] i admit i am no xorg guru [17:49] xorg is about to change [17:49] dramactly [17:49] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.112.228.221) joined ##slackware. [17:50] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009004004.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:50] i hope not for worse.... [17:50] for the better? or worse, right now i dont like xorg that much, and besides fiddling with it in current, i have xfree86 built and running great in slackware-12.2 [17:51] for the worst [17:51] Pig_Pen: which xfree86? the latest? [17:51] Pat should dump xorg and switch slackware back to xfree86 :D [17:52] 4.8.0? [17:52] Pig_Pen, i to agree [17:52] i think so [17:52] let me look [17:52] X.Org X Server 1.4.2 [17:52] yup, xfree86-4.8.0 [17:53] Pig_Pen, are you running xfree? [17:53] nice to read its an option. i might consider trying it in the future [17:53] is that what comes with slack? [17:53] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-212.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:53] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-89.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:53] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [17:53] at the moment i am booted to slackware current with xorg and not liking it because the nvidia driver runs like poopoo [17:54] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:54] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [17:54] Pig_Pen, so there's xfree and xorg ? [17:54] i have not had time to do anything to it, so i have no idea how much tweaking it will take to build xfree86 in it [17:55] it probably gets worst with later versions of xorg.. [17:55] yup, xfree86 was around long before xorg, i remember back when xfree86 was the standard X in all distros [17:55] Pig_Pen, so do i [17:55] Pig_Pen, so i thought xorg was the follow up of the xfree [17:55] never had probs with xfree86 and im GLAD i got my systems working with xorg. [17:56] nope, xorg forked from xfree86 (not sure why) [17:56] don't know why i'm running xorg then [17:56] stale dev. afair [17:56] you can still get xfree86 and build it [17:57] oh i dont bother these days. old age got me [17:57] Not stale development. [17:58] in order to get gtk based apps working you will have to install a few xorg libraries libXfixes and a few others, but kde-3.5.x will build and run with xfree86 just fine [17:58] The developers' core team was unresponsive to people who wanted changes made faster [17:58] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-89.dial.telus.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:58] matter of perspective then ;P [17:58] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [17:58] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:58] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-75-35-180-38.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:00] bbiaf [18:04] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@201.234.200.99) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:07] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-163-171.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [18:08] Bischoop (n=wir@92-235-208-219.cable.ubr22.sgyl.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:08] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-163-171.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:08] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-163-171.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [18:09] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-163-171.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:10] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:11] Kenjiro (n=kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) joined ##slackware. [18:11] good evening [18:11] anyone here got ekiga-3.0.2 to compile on slackware-12.2? [18:11] anyone used Lightwave 3D? [18:12] I am having problems to compile it, and I am thinking the problem would something like "gcc version incompatibility" :( [18:14] gm152_ (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:15] you know ekiga is made for a gnome desktop? [18:15] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [18:15] Pig_Pen: yes, but there are slackbuild scripts for it [18:15] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-211.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:16] so you probably have one of those third party gnome builds installed or gsb? [18:16] supposedly one only has to add --disable-gnome and --disable-gconf (among other stuff) [18:16] I've built it. Require's opal, and pwlib. [18:16] Pig_Pen: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/ekiga/ [18:16] so, it is supposed to work on slackware without gnome [18:16] chopp: pwlib? [18:16] which version are you running? [18:17] 2.0.9 [18:17] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@201.234.200.99) joined ##slackware. [18:17] ah, I heard of pwlib was need for the old versions [18:17] *-of [18:17] *needed [18:18] yes, I think I built mine before is was at SBo too. [18:18] now, all you would need is opal, ptlib and libsigc++ [18:18] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:18] Heya,folks...How's everyone? [18:18] my problem, when compiling is a compilation error [18:19] bah! i have a landline and a cellphone and both have free long distance :D [18:19] this is what I get after some time compiling it: [18:19] gui/main.cpp: In function 'int main(int, char**, char**)': [18:19] gui/main.cpp:4628: error: cannot call member function 'void PProcess::PreInitialise(int, char**, char**)' without object [18:19] igh/// [18:19] ugh... [18:20] Kenjiro, i just compiled ekiga on a clean slack 12.2 install via slackbuilds , works fine [18:20] go to ##c =p [18:20] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:20] Necos, actually, that's C++. [18:20] schneiderr: which version? [18:20] yeah, i know... i'm just being an ass [18:20] the one mentioned on SBO [18:21] 3.0.1 [18:21] hmmmm I am trying 3.0.2 [18:21] I will download that version and see what I get [18:22] anything majorly fucked up in 3.0.1? [18:22] I saw the guys at www.slacky.it supposedly compiled 3.0.2 on slackware-12.2 [18:22] schneiderr: don't know, this is the first time I will try ekiga [18:22] so I went for the latest stable release [18:22] heh, me too. was (still am?) a die hard linphone fan [18:25] tho (if anyone from SBO is reading this) the snort buildscript needs an update, version 2.8.4 is out and the dl link 404s [18:25] dived into the whole lot of SBO during the past week or so :) [18:26] ... [18:26] why don't you let the maintainer know [18:26] lol [18:26] schneiderr, contact the maintainer of the slackbuild script. [18:27] note the brackets :) [18:27] umm yeah we see that... [18:27] nullboy: check out the list of patches. :P http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/linville/wireless-next-2.6/ [18:28] chopp: good grief [18:28] shit might be fixed someday. [18:28] good grief,indeed...that's a shopiing list and a half...:D [18:28] shopping* [18:28] schneiderr: I think the only softphone/voip client I used, ages ago, was kphone [18:28] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.123.127) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:29] or was it linphone? [18:29] well... it was something ugly (but which worked) [18:29] exactly [18:30] chopp: i still don't see any AP mode commits [18:30] Action: Kenjiro downloading ekiga-3.0.1 [18:31] let's see what happens ;0 [18:32] diabolix (n=jsoyke@206.210.81.55) left irc: "Leaving" [18:32] they use alot of gnome libs. [18:32] you'll have issues compiling on slackware. [18:32] nullboy: I know, I've been watching it real close. I asked about my EAP-TLS problem, and one of the devs got cranky with me in #linux-wireless. :P [18:33] chopp: did his attitude suggest that it is a known issue? [18:34] Lilly18f (i=DbMgK@41.236.14.126) left irc: No route to host [18:35] hmmm perhaps ekiga-3.0.2 doesn't like the latest ptlib and opal [18:35] oh crap [18:35] let's downgrade those two [18:35] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: "Leaving" [18:35] nullboy: not really, he just said something to the effect of "well you've asked that quite a few time's now, and nobody has answered you!" I asked once, waited a couple of days, and asked again ffs. Got his crown in a fscking knot. [18:35] ok, i diligently googled the hell out of my xorg issue and found some stuff at nvidia's forum, i am going to try it again [18:36] lol [18:36] good luck,pig_pen [18:37] The ekiga download page lists very specific versions of opal & pwlib to us: http://www.gnomemeeting.org/index.php?rub=5&path=sources/ekiga_3.0.2 ... USE them [18:37] greymaus1 (n=greymaus@86.46.254.5) joined ##slackware. [18:39] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:40] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430065.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:41] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.186) left irc: "leaving" [18:41] alienBOB: you mean ptlib, instead of pwlib? [18:42] nullboy: doesn't it seem to you that none of these issues we have with ath5k, are a problem with ath9k? [18:42] /s/none/all [18:42] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [18:42] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89.180.202.134) joined ##slackware. [18:43] Kenjiro, why go for different/newer versions that are listed at SBO? [18:43] *than [18:44] groovy!!! just some xorg.conf tweaking got nvidia working at the desired screen resolution for me :D [18:44] schneiderr: because perhaps some bugs of the older version were corrected on the new one? [18:44] did you post your solution to some forum, Pig_Pen? might be worth it [18:44] of example... (I don't know if this was "fixed" but...) yakuake's version there is kindda old [18:44] Kenjiro, thats the usual case, but do they affect you in particular? [18:45] but it works [18:45] the version I run is compatible with KDE4 [18:45] chopp: yep [18:45] chopp: which leads me to investigate a hardware upgrade [18:45] schneiderr: as I said... I never used ekiga, just headed to the latest stable release [18:45] Kenjiro, i hear you, believe me :) [18:46] nullboy: that's why I mentioned it. I'm pondering the same thing. [18:46] Why should someone try slackware 12.1 when we already have 12.2 :P [18:46] Kenjiro, it depends on the activity on the SBO script maintainer to some extend also, i guess. just look at rtorrent. [18:46] (unless the hardware is not good enough to run the latest version, of course) [18:46] schneiderr: i found the solution at that forum, if i posted the solution it would be redundant [18:46] Pig_Pen, just checking.... [18:46] schneiderr: I tried to contact the yakuake maintainer to no avail [18:47] I have a slackbuild script for the latest yakuake... but since I am not the maintainer... [18:47] chopp: the good thing is that none of the atheros cards are really expensive [18:47] Kenjiro, that sucks. but i can vouch for rtorrent/libtorrent SBO scripts to work for the latest versions - in case you want to try out rtorrent :) [18:47] I think it was rworkman who told me the yakuake maintainer (SBo) was "missing" [18:47] chopp: most can be had off ebay for between 15-60 bucks [18:47] (as in away for a long time) [18:47] schneiderr: I do use rtorrent [18:47] ;) [18:47] heh [18:47] Kenjiro, tried submitting then? [18:48] j0z (n=JESUS@189-11-81-136.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:48] I just don't remember if I came up with my own slackbuild scripts of I used the one from SBo [18:48] dive: sure [18:48] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:48] that's when I got a "talk to the maintainer"; that's when I found out he is in a galaxy far, far away *grin* [18:48] I know one of the rtorrent deps won't build on -current [18:48] which? [18:49] one sec let me look it up [18:49] latest yakuake depends on kde4 - therefore, it's not a candidate for SBo right now. [18:49] sane choice [18:50] hello everybody :) I hope everything is well with you all today [18:50] straterra, libsigc [18:50] i love this hdparm option: --make-bad-sector deliberately corrupt a sector directly on the media (VERY DANGEROUS) [18:50] which is a dep of libtorrent [18:50] ok, before i log in to kde-4.2 (current) i should delete ~/.kde and start from a clean slate in my ~/? [18:50] dive: why? [18:50] Hello nille__. How are you? [18:50] Been a good day,nille_ and yourself? [18:50] nullboy: yes that's true. Before this ath5k adventure of mine, I was unaware that 80211N was backwards compatable or the last card I picked up would have been 80211N. [18:51] chopp: i think i'm going to do the same thing [18:51] rworkman: yeah, I forgot that part of the information too (that since it depends on kde4 it is not a candidate...) [18:51] :) [18:51] I'm fine firebird619 and MLaden [18:51] Good to hear,nille__ [18:51] sahko, well it was a few days ago I tried building it so I don't recall the error - if you insist I can boot up my -current box and try again [18:51] rworkman: so... only stuff which would compile on the latest slack version are accepted? [18:52] Kenjiro, of course. theres no -current rep. on SBO [18:52] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:53] Action: schneiderr coughs [18:53] nullboy: no. :) [18:53] lol,nille__...hate to see the condition of their hard drive....:( [18:53] hahaha [18:53] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:53] but that kindda makes things a bit harder for the end user, don't you think? [18:53] dive: will try tomorrow again . its been a while since i last built it. but not building is news here. certainly not related to gcc. unless you are talking about the specific old version on SBo [18:53] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:54] Floops (n=baihu@yo-mama.info) joined ##slackware. [18:54] Kenjiro, an end user shouldnt be running -current [18:54] sahko, it is the version on SBo that wouldn't build [18:54] Floops (n=baihu@yo-mama.info) left irc: SendQ exceeded [18:54] thats really old [18:54] haven't tried anything recent [18:54] yes i would rather reinstall then clean but she don't know what she need to keep .... [18:54] well it should be updated then. [18:54] s/then/than/ [18:55] iirc since i had contacted the maintainer to updated its a dependency on other stuff on SBo that dont build with newer versions [18:55] at least when i had contected him [18:55] s/updated/update it [18:56] well something needs doing with it because it's a problem with rtorrent -> libtorrent -> sigc [18:56] in fact... an end user would run Slackware at all :) [18:56] Action: MLanden hate to ask nille__ how long did it take to scan through the system for the "grimlies"(virii,spam etc..) [18:56] *wouldn't [18:56] i hope i get time to make an freeorion.SlackBuild tonight but windows might take all my time [18:56] and if I don't have rtorrent there will be BLOOD! [18:56] and when I say "end user" you almost could change for "dumb user" [18:56] well... I think you got what I meant ;) [18:57] MLanden well let put it this way now it's fast enuff to use [18:57] OUCH^highest exponent...:D [18:57] when i started it couldn't even connect to internet and was slow as hell [18:58] could imagine,nille__ [18:58] dive, you can safely choose the latest 2.0.18 libsigc, libtorrent 0.12.4 & rtorrent 0.8.4 sources, adapt the scripts just for the version numbers. [18:58] and i agree, no rtorrent -> blood [18:58] Floops (n=baihu@yo-mama.info) joined ##slackware. [18:58] schneiderr, that would be too easy ;-) much better to have a moan at maintainers [18:59] if they are alive and well ;P [18:59] i'm used to ktorrent now [18:59] I don't mind taking over [18:59] who wouldnt ;P [19:00] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:00] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [19:00] nille__, I found that ktorrent would lose peers constantly and then after a restart it would get them back, them lose again ad naseum [19:00] never happened to me as far as i know [19:00] when i tried out ktorrent it looked nifty but was not stable [19:00] also, GUI. cli ftw [19:01] yeah I tend to ssh/screen into desktop box and grab stuff [19:01] waaay back then. prolly usable now [19:01] so cli is the wy [19:01] dive: same here ;) [19:01] that's why I like rtorrent [19:02] same with sbopkg [19:02] easy to remotely use/manage and it is quite light [19:02] no need for a X running [19:02] nullboy: you just wanted @nullboy so you could kick me for getting you going on the AP crap. :P [19:02] build on desktop with OUTPUT as a samba dir [19:02] haha [19:02] dive, heh, nfs here [19:03] works though [19:03] anyone ever played freeorion.SlackBuild (i got challanged by a friend and i need to learn it fast or i will lose badly [19:03] yup. just awesome. [19:03] that reminds me i wanted to check out eduke32 [19:03] nille__, nope but sounds good [19:04] nille__, best advice stay up and play, read all the tips you can find [19:04] well i will make an slackbuild for it :) [19:04] eh? [19:04] < nille__> anyone ever played freeorion.SlackBuild [19:04] yes but i tend to get angry when i play games [19:04] schneiderr: i got eduke32 working fully with the HR pack and XXX packlast night ;) [19:04] schneiderr: it's awesome [19:05] theres an XXX pack? [19:05] nille__, there's a slackbuild or no? [19:05] yeah [19:05] lol dive to fast copy and paste [19:05] hhmm... WHERE? ;P [19:05] schneiderr: but that's not up on SBo lol [19:05] hence my asking [19:05] dive not yet [19:05] schneiderr: just add it yourself. you can get the zip of it from the same place as the HR pack [19:06] kde-4.2 runs better under openGL thats for sure [19:06] i must have the full classic game install somewhere, took a glance at the reqs so i guess ill need that [19:06] ah, ok. will certainly check that, nullboy [19:06] schneiderr: http://www.duke4.org/files/nightfright/xxx_pack.zip [19:06] and yes, you need to the grp [19:07] from the original disk [19:07] Pig_Pen:were you the one talking 'bout electricsheep last week? [19:07] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:07] greetings and salutations [19:07] schneiderr: i'm working on getting LAN/multiplayer wokring now [19:07] muhahah [19:07] no [19:07] electricsheep..wtf [19:08] sorry [19:08] androids fall asleep counting electric sheep [19:08] wasn't electric sheep that 3D screen saver package? [19:08] its some distributed screensaver eyecandy thingy i think [19:08] yeah [19:09] where men are men, and sheep are nervous. [19:09] indeed [19:10] wasn't it bzImage or what he was called that needed it for his son? [19:10] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:11] might have been [19:12] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-163-171.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [19:12] \o/ only 240mb of microsoft updates left for the win lappy :) [19:13] wow, kdegames patience card game sure got all dooded up with fancy eyecandy [19:13] kde4 version? [19:14] im usually using fluxbox, but occasionally it's kde for me. plus, i need some kde apps on a regular basis, so it's wheee on the memory. [19:15] yeah, slackware current kde-42 [19:16] i am still having to get myself familure with kde-4.2, its lots different than kde-3.5.x [19:17] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [19:17] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@201.234.200.99) left irc: "Saliendo" [19:18] Pig_Pen, how different cant it be? it's KDE ...... [19:18] yes it's alot of things that changed [19:18] *can [19:18] menu mostly [19:18] well the desktop is now widget driven [19:19] ok, but i hope kde 3 configs are adapted to the new version without any hickups. [19:19] that menu is definitly different, and the control center is different [19:19] and the menu layout is totally different [19:19] schneiderr: nope [19:19] making desktop icons is a little different too [19:19] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:19] desktop icons are just a matter of enabling folder view on the desktop [19:19] JasonosaJ (n=Jason@pool-71-186-11-16.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:20] the old files from /usr/share/applications/blahblah.desktop does not work in kde-4.2 [19:20] those text files for launching applications [19:21] Does anybody know if the early versions of slackware (First few years) are available somewhere on the internet? [19:21] yup, you can get some old stuff if you want [19:21] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/ [19:22] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-3.3/ [19:22] awesome, thanks [19:22] Action: CaptObviousman always uses osuosl.org [19:22] nothing like zipslack from '96 [19:23] i think osuosl and oregonstate is the same thing, osuosl = oregon state university opensource labs [19:23] http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions/slackware/1.1.2/ [19:24] open my link and nullboy's link and look :D its the same [19:24] BP{k}: ++ :) [19:25] Scientists Isolate and Treat Parasite Causing Decline in Honey Bee Population [19:25] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [19:26] nullboy: probably my next AP: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX15587(ME).aspx [19:26] i hope they find a cure for the honeybee, the food crops need bees to pollinate [19:27] Pig_Pen, I watched a doc about that bee thinglast night [19:27] they had some ideas about the parasite but couldn't pin it down that that was the prolem [19:27] besides i like honey, on biscuits, or mix with peanutbutter and spread on toast :D [19:28] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [19:28] yummy [19:28] nothing like a hot buscuit fresh out of the oven with butter and honey on it [19:29] true,Pig_Pen [19:29] real butter, none of that marjarine crap [19:29] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:30] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:30] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:30] let's hope the find a cure then [19:31] yup, i have been concerned about that for a long time because the bee is needed to pollinate everything that grows and requires the bee to pollinate [19:31] yeah - some say that the bees are a reflection on the rest of the planet [19:31] if the bees die, we are fucked. yes. [19:32] apparently only australia aren't affected by it [19:32] same with frogs, they are very sensitive to the state of the environment [19:32] maybe they are smart and dont use GM seeds or state-of-the-art insecticides [19:33] if you think microsoft is evil then you have not heard about Monsanto [19:33] monanto is the M$FT of food crops [19:34] so true [19:34] i could go on ranting about monsanto all day long. [19:35] so, is there a slackbuild script yet for the precious honeybee? ;P [19:35] it's been a long time since I last joined ##slackware [19:35] i am surprized some poor farmer that was put out of work by monsanto has not done something crazy like drive his tractor through their office or something like that, i know i would if i spent millions investing in a farm and those bastards put me out of work [19:35] I decided to go there today just to check if someone actualy got ekiga compiled [19:35] then... ;) [19:36] so the main idea of this conversation was to let everyone know that they should buy stock in AUS bee keeping companies [19:36] Yarvin (n=Yarvin@247-121-74-65.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [19:36] oops, someone stumbled on his own fingers *LOL* [19:36] well... no good trying to compile ekiga-3.0.2. Let's try 3.0.1 [19:37] even with the matching ptlib and opal ekiga-3.0.2 didn't want to go :( [19:37] Pig_Pen, 3rd world farmers are killing themselves at wto protests - that was a few years ago and it doesn't seem to be reported now - how desparate do you have to be to do that? [19:37] Pig_Pen, in india it's way worse. cotton seeds market owned by monsanto. google for it, suicide rates are thru the roof among farmers [19:37] but, enough of that sad topic. [19:37] Pig_Pen /usr/share/applications/blahblah.desktop? it does work in later versions of kde4.2 like 4.2.1+ it was an bug in the fiest release [19:38] Kenjiro, just curious, is your system a clean 12.2. install or an upgrade? [19:39] 12.2 [19:39] ah, cool! then i can use those files again soon! thanks for the info nille__ [19:39] of course, i have some other stuff installed, but I didn't mess with the "main" stuff [19:39] bijit (n=benji@190.241.15.48) left irc: "leaving" [19:39] my netbook is running slackware-current [19:40] (but I am not building on that netbook) [19:40] take care,folks...bbiab [19:40] bb [19:41] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [19:43] Pig_Pen why do you only use 4.2? [19:43] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:43] schneiderr: well... the "bigest" differences would be kde-4.2.2 and kernel 2.6.29.1 [19:43] you are brave :) 29 [19:44] 28.9 here [19:45] nah, just run 30-rc2 ;) [19:45] aptly named nick then. congrats ;P [19:45] nille__: i just got slack-current installed this morning and a kernel built for it, just a little while ago i finally got the nvidia driver working properly, i guess i am just a slow old man :D [19:46] schneiderr: I was running 2.6.28.7 till... two days ago [19:46] 4.2.2 is in current [19:46] i tend to stay away from the latest "stable" kernel. i read about any mayor fuckups first before actually applying the bleeding edge stuff. [19:46] i got the kde in current installed, i know its 4.2.xsomething [19:46] you have to try and and run the latest when you're tracking kernel development [19:47] it is 4.2.2 [19:47] *major [19:47] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-230-056.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] oops sorry, by bad [19:47] then the .desktop should work [19:47] schneiderr: i wanted to try it, to see if it is good enough, perhaps report a bug, etc [19:47] let me try again [19:47] Pig_Pen, yes ofc when i want to play tester but i dont. end user here so no -current for me, but a slightly pimped system based on a clean slack install. [19:48] i felt lucky a couples of times before [19:48] 4.2.2 on 12.2 i'm not ready for current yet [19:48] yup, they work, i have some custom ones in ~/Apps i probably need to edit them to be more complete, i got em just good enough to work in kde-3.5.10 & rox filer [19:49] i'm doing a clean install of XP too now [19:49] they really need to do a final rollout in SP form [19:49] Yarvin (n=Yarvin@247-121-74-65.gci.net) left ##slackware. [19:49] schneiderr i have slackware-12.2 & current dual booting [19:50] nullboy i could only dream of an clean install of xp right now [19:50] Pig_Pen, i used to, too. it's fun playing with, but like i said earlier, old age got me. [19:51] nille__: just image her disk to file and reinstall [19:51] that way you can go back if something is *really* messing [19:51] virtualbox for my 12.2 slackbuilds, and the adapted 12.2 for just me. [19:51] well i don't have an external hdd for that [19:51] my personal life sucks, while the wife watches TV i play on the PC so i have plenty of time to tweak slackware, the only time she pays me any attention is when she wants me to do something, run errand or fix something (or sex) [19:51] how nice, now opal won't compile [19:52] atleast not with me [19:52] interesting... opal-3.4.4 compiles, 3.4.2 doesn't LOL [19:52] Action: nille__ blames 2.6.29.1 [19:53] hmmmmmmmmmmm even better... [19:53] 2.6.29.1 sure has lots more features than 2.6.27 [19:54] lee555J5 (n=lee@24-178-190-45.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:54] alienBoB said on ekiga's page they point specific versions for opal and ptlib. But then I just noticed the opal version used on the SBo is different [19:54] let's try hat [19:54] *that [19:54] wear a hat too, it might help [19:55] you didn't sacrifice a goat and two chickens though? [19:55] Kenjiro, did you install kernel headers? [19:55] Pig_Pen: ahahahhahaahhaha who knows ;) [19:56] i'm about to murder a fly that has been bothering me for 3 hour [19:56] to lazy to kill it before 3h past? [19:57] Finish It ! [19:57] i'm going to suck him into my Vornado [19:57] nullboy: see the advantage to our ass freezing weather, no flies. ;) [19:57] bzzzz bzzzz bzzz [19:57] 3h later let's kill it [19:58] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] but if you shower the flies might go away [19:58] lol [19:59] yeah right man [19:59] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-230-056.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:59] i'm clean and i just finished bleaching my whole apartment [20:00] flak++ ;P [20:00] ok what happend and who is missing [20:00] nullboy: you did have that drunk chick over didn't you. ;) [20:00] chopp: hahaha [20:01] nullboy been cleaning hes apartment and him self [20:01] so where is the body [20:01] live on cnn [20:01] haha [20:01] i'm a little crazy about contact surfaces [20:02] how long can these little bastards fly around without eating? wtf [20:03] kinda strange ... they invent tasers for humans but not flies...... [20:03] you should feed them sugar it makes them slower [20:03] schneiderr: thats what electric fly swatters are for. [20:04] if the fly likes em [20:04] before that fly entered your house it was born in a dead animal [20:04] got him! [20:04] he flew under the window blind...bad idea [20:04] to late i heard he called for backup [20:04] hahaha [20:04] there you go ...... flyboy [20:05] Nick change: nullboy -> nullzombie [20:05] lol [20:06] well... if anybody had nvidia running good in 12.2 but not so good in current i have the most likely answer [20:06] nullboy what happend? you look a bit bleach [20:06] Pig_Pen, buy ati? [20:06] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) joined ##slackware. [20:06] Pig_Pen: i didn't experience any problems at all [20:06] nor did I [20:06] naw, you gotta have xorg.conf to tell nvidia to ignore EDID [20:07] probably what i am using for a monitor [20:07] Chrysalis (n=UD@unaffiliated/chrysalis) left irc: "Leaving..." [20:07] ive had my fair share with xorg troubles myself so i know the feeling. [20:07] s/bleach/pale [20:07] i have a Sanyo 26 inch LCD HDTV for a monitor [20:08] Pig_Pen: I had issues with nvidia and getting native resolution too and had to add a line to xorg.conf to fix it. [20:08] firebird619: what was your solution? [20:08] dual monitors here. [20:08] it was really tricky for me. totally bit the kernel i915 / xorg madness. [20:09] Pig_Pen: I had to add this: Option "ModeValidation" "DFP-0: NoMaxPClkCheck, NoEdidMaxPClkCheck, AllowNon60HzDFPModes" [20:09] 22" widescreen. [20:09] Pig_Pen, i have nvidia working perfect at current [20:09] i will pastebin my xorg.conf for those that want to see it [20:09] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [20:09] wth, are those options documented, firebird619 ? [20:10] Pig_Pen: It worked fine over VGA, I had issues with DVI and that line fixed the issues with DVI. [20:10] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:11] oh no mosquitos now it's getting close to summer [20:11] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [20:11] schneiderr: I searched google for days and finally found a forum page on nvidia with that line as a solution. [20:11] or is it nullzombie that is here for my blood [20:11] http://pastebin.com/d52114122 [20:12] firebird619, so i take that as a no. it's insane what efforts are required to get recent hardware working on some setups. [20:12] you can see i like to get rid of the comments because i HATE a loooong xorg.conf file [20:13] schneiderr: Yeah, I'm not sure if they're documented. I had to do a ton of searching to figure it out. [20:13] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] Pig_Pen: Same here, just short, sweet, and neat. :) [20:13] anyone know a good place to get some spam mail started? [20:14] ditch the flavours, it needs to work ;P [20:14] lotec, wth [20:14] what? [20:14] yes, what. [20:15] just put your email in places like craigslist, and other forums where spambot/webspiders can find it, you will get more spam than you can shake a pointed stick at [20:15] and usenet [20:15] lotec we don't like spam [20:15] well me either. [20:15] he might be testing a spam filter [20:15] i dont want spam. [20:15] ... [20:16] but lets say there is a certing person i want to send it to [20:16] dont. [20:16] wtf not? [20:16] that person has nukes. [20:16] in orbit. [20:16] What you want to do is not ethical, and we will take no part in it lotec [20:16] Hi alienBOB. How are you doing today? [20:16] that's it. [20:17] i know it is not. forgive me tonight i had a few beers [20:17] i used to do that when i had a yahoo account, i would paste the email addresses of strangers that bothered me when i used yahoo IM in places where i knew they would get spammed [20:17] firebird619: 02:16 ... should be sleeping [20:17] same here. [20:17] same time here [20:18] i would be logged in to yahoo chatting with friends, and pop some stranger would asl me, "damn wtf! i dont know you" i would say [20:18] the word "spam" in the channel set off his big ben. [20:18] 19:17 here. :) [20:19] well atleast you use 24hour clock :) [20:20] i will never remember am and pm [20:20] my BIOS clock is set to 24 hour local time (military time) [20:20] nille__: heh, yeah. [20:20] damn, how come nobody else here besides phrag and myself are on the FAH slackware team? [20:20] FAH? [20:21] Folding At Home [20:21] http://folding.stanford.edu/ [20:21] is that the protein folding thing for finding cures for disease? [20:21] yes it is. [20:21] chopp: because we have better users for our CPU power ;-) [20:22] chopp: like, you know, decoding h.264 goat prøn :P [20:22] macavity: fair enough. :) [20:22] chopp, when its running what does the CPU usage look like? [20:23] i can handle 15 or 20 % but i dont want to come in to the PC room and find smoke coming out of my PC [20:23] looks like it needs tissues. [20:23] to wipe the "tears" [20:23] Pig_Pen: use's about 40% of one of my cores. [20:24] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009004004.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:24] hmm an norwegian letter. macavity your not Norwegian are you? [20:24] the PC i could use it on has a single core P4 and a gig of ram [20:24] adrenaline_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:24] Hello [20:24] nille__: i am Danish.. but i suspect i can decipher it for you [20:24] chello, adrenaline [20:25] Pig_Pen: any old box will do. [20:25] nille__: pastebin it, and, if it is not terribly long, i will translate it [20:25] lots of acidchilds on this channel [20:25] all bots [20:25] selling bots [20:25] No i'm swedish i can read norwegian [20:25] I'll give you fiddy cent [20:25] nille__: oh, right.. your abilities are as good as mine then :P [20:26] yes i can even read Danish but you better not speak :p [20:26] nille__: is has viking blood :) [20:27] funny... i feel the oposite with sweedish. however, norweegian is best to just read [20:27] nille__: actually i think my spoken sweedish is pretty decent [20:27] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:28] you live near the bride or you work/worked in sweden? [20:28] schneiderr: sorry for the delay [20:28] schneiderr: yes, I installed the kernel headers [20:28] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:28] nille__: no, but i have watched a lot of Bech :P [20:28] but... that shouldn't have anything to do with opal not compiling, right? [20:29] you mean beck :p [20:29] Kenjiro, not really, but you never know [20:29] yes, that... speak only, no writing or reading :P [20:29] so many americans have lost their identity, my parents say were mostly irish & dutch, but who know what i am in this mixing pot of many bloodlines called american [20:29] Kenjiro, thats why i build packages in a strict stable environment [20:29] well i like danish movies [20:30] nille__: Blinkende Lygter? [20:30] schneiderr: this is the only thing bothering me (in regards of compilation) [20:30] I can compile everything else with no problem [20:31] Kenjiro: if you like to build stuff from source you should install everything in /d [20:31] interesting... I compiled ptlib 2.4.2 and 2.4.4 without problems. I also compiled opal-3.4.4. but I can't get opal-3.4.2 or 3.4.3 to compile *LOL* [20:31] Pig_Pen: they are installed [20:32] i see alot of danish movies so yes i seen it [20:32] ls /var/log/packages/ | grep ptlib [20:32] oh my [20:32] but ekiga needs those slightly older versions of opal? [20:32] someone is getting tired it seems *points to self* [20:32] Pig_Pen: as for what ekiga's page points... ekiga-3.0.1 should need ptlib-2.4.2 and opal-3.4.2. [20:32] alot of movies with Kim Bodnia [20:33] ekiga-3.0.2 should need ptlib-2.4.4 and opal-3.4.4 [20:33] oh yes [20:33] Kenjiro, what's opal? [20:33] Kenjiro, ive had the strangest probs with pimped stable systems. one youll prolly find bug reports about is rtorrent on a -current (between 12.1 and close to 12.2) would compile flawlessly, start ok, but no network activity whatsoever going. totally yuck. [20:33] maxote: one of ekiga's dependecies [20:34] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:34] i know your pain Kenjiro, i already been there and done that only with different software [20:36] Pig_Pen: I am ok when something doesn't compile because I don't have the needed deps, or the version I am trying to compile won't be friendly to some other stuff (like trying to compile "old' kde apps against qt4 and kde4) [20:36] but this is not the case [20:36] I am using exactly the same versions pointed by ekiga' site or the versions pointed by SBo [20:36] http://www.voxgratia.org/ [20:37] well, I am trying to compile opal-3.4.3 again [20:37] i looked at ekiga's home page, when i seen it was a gnome app i knew what problems you could run in to, i have not liked gnome since gnome-1.4 was current, gnome-2.x can be the most annoying [20:38] Pig_Pen: I don't like gnome... for ages hehehehe [20:38] Floops (n=baihu@yo-mama.info) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:38] when I saw ekiga is "for gnome" I ran away from it [20:38] but then someone told me it could be compiled without gnome. So I took a look at SBo.. and there were the scripts [20:38] same here, i am a gnome hater, it is too big and bloated for its own good, xorg is getting the same way [20:39] so I decided to give a try [20:39] Pig_Pen: linux in general is getting bloated, let's admit that [20:39] same here, kinesis [20:39] err Kenjiro [20:39] I agree Pig_Pen [20:39] what happened to the unix philosophy? [20:39] to what? ;p [20:40] jk [20:40] ok, I know that new technology and support makes things bigger. But... on the other hand... I have a damn fast computer... but that doesn't matter, booting linux is each day slower [20:40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy [20:42] Kenjiro, you didnt fall for http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1219 did you? ;-) [20:42] lets see, this PC is the newest, it has a dual core pentium 2.2g, 1 gig ram, a 500 gig sata drive, i am not buying new hardware in the immediate future because i cant afford it [20:42] 'bloat' is such a subjective term, it's not even worth using [20:42] like "expert" [20:43] The problem is nobody wants to do anything anymore. go on any distros irc channel and ask who compiles their own kernel. They will act shocked that anybody still does this. [20:43] JasonosaJ : and why should they bother compiling the kernel? [20:43] not in here ..... [20:43] ananke, um learn a thing or two. Why use linux if you don't know shit about it. [20:43] it's annoying, time consuming, and doesn't yield much [20:44] schneiderr: LOL [20:44] that was nice [20:44] hehehehehe [20:44] with that attitue before you know it most Linux distros will be as bloated and dumbed down as ms-windows [20:44] ananke: indeed [20:44] JasonosaJ : ahh, the typical elitist approach. usually found in people who have been using linux for only a couple of years [20:44] ananke, yes.yes.nope. ;P [20:44] bah, trolling...... [20:44] years? days :) [20:44] Pig_Pen: in fact my computer boots vista faster then slackware [20:44] so.... [20:44] *than [20:45] but my slackware used to boot much faster than windows... years ago [20:45] ouch, you got me. idiot [20:45] JasonosaJ : for starters, why should one have to know how to compile a kernel, in order to use linux? i don't need to be a mechanic to drive a car [20:45] i have not used vista so i can not say, i have 12.2 booting in about 10 to 13 seconds, current just slightly longer [20:45] JasonosaJ : kid, chances are i've been using linux for much longer than you have, so please skip the elitist bullshit [20:45] why don't you have to rebuild your kernel in solaris? because it's smart and autodetects stuff [20:46] how the kernel is built will greatly effect boot time [20:46] ananke, what do you think linux is going to be in 10 years if nobody knows anything about it? [20:46] Pig_Pen: wrong [20:46] as much as services started [20:46] Pig_Pen: indeed [20:46] compiling a kernel is a novice linux user task. it works. you cant let a novice car driver drive in public. [20:46] boot time is 90% init scripts [20:46] so, trolling..... [20:46] schneiderr: it was you who built ekiga-3.0.1, right? [20:46] Kenjiro, yeah [20:47] I don't reboot very often so boot time isn't really a factor for me [20:47] JasonosaJ : let's use that argument and draw an analogy. look what happened with auto industry. [20:47] on my laptop [20:47] do you have the command 'swig' on your system? [20:47] up, thats why first thing i open /etc/rc.d and edit rc.M and clean out what i dont use [20:47] strictly according to SBO on a clean 12.2. install [20:47] if you walk thru the deps it works [20:47] cant check that now, Kenjiro [20:48] I was compiling opal-3.4.3 (following SBo) but it stopped compiling complaining about that command [20:48] swig -java -package org.opalvoip -w451 -I/tmp/SBo/opal-3.4.3/include -o /tmp/SBo/opal-3.4.3/src/java/java_swig_wrapper.c /tmp/SBo/opal-3.4.3/src/java/opal.i [20:48] make: swig: Command not found [20:48] make: *** [/tmp/SBo/opal-3.4.3/src/java/java_swig_wrapper.c] Error 127 [20:48] Kenjiro: it's a library, http://www.swig.org [20:49] psychicist: interesting.. the SBo doesn't mention it [20:49] Kenjiro, read the SBO deps. it's needed for compile [20:49] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/opal/ [20:49] it does. [20:49] woops [20:49] it does mention it on opal stuff [20:49] dumb me [20:49] someone is really needing some rest [20:49] interesting is... opal-3.4.4 doesn't need it ;) [20:50] let's get that swig thingy installed then [20:50] i take a swig every now and then [20:51] hint: if you ever try to replicate the SBO install order , search for the SBo.tgz, sort for date, and apply the buildscripts in that order. [20:52] given that you actually keep the sbo.tgz and dont ditch them after installation [20:52] (ive seen much madness) [20:52] ananke, Why the over the top attacking me? Do you take offense to what I said? [20:53] a troll. [20:53] JasonosaJ : don't pretend to be a victim. you're the one who began the aggressive tone [20:54] ? What the heck are you talking about? Wow, you must be offended. Use Ubuntu much? [20:55] he holds grudges. best to just quit talking [20:55] nobody needs to compile anything anymore, all distros will just be a clone of ubuntu, (just different icons & wallpaper) might as well since nobody wants to learn to customize anything under the hood, [20:55] copland-leopard (n=copland-@209.241.118.121) left irc: [20:55] ;p [20:56] JasonosaJ : and there you go again, with the insults. that's quite funny though [20:56] yeah, calling someone a ubuntu user is definetly an insult [20:56] I read the swig documentation today, the part about adding support for new languages. It hinted "SWIG is basically a special-case C++ parser and compier", which scared me away. [20:56] do that to me and I will punch you on the face *LOL* [20:56] then I will call my mom [20:57] ananke: thing is... slackware is for geeks, sys.admins, etc [20:57] it is not meant for END USERS [20:57] Kenjiro: won't ekiga compile on your ubuntu? haha [20:57] ananke, not everyone will go quietly in to the night [20:57] (like ubuntu and some other distros are) [20:58] chopp: ok, bring your face here [20:58] ;) [20:58] lol [20:58] Kenjiro : i believe i know who the target audience of slackware is. i'm not sure why you feel necessary to share that with us [20:58] and no, I am not saying ubuntu is good. In fact, IMHO, it sucks. Not stable, too bloated, etc [20:58] but... it is easy for end users [20:58] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) left irc: "leaving" [20:59] i got 3duke32 to play multiplayer LAN mode with windows and linux [20:59] slackware is whatever you want to make it, thats what slackware is [20:59] I don't remember in which channel I saw someone say "oh my... the slackware users numbers are diminishing" [20:59] eduke32** [20:59] well... [20:59] Pig_Pen: if you know how "to make it" [21:00] that's why I said it is not meant for end users ;) [21:00] i think Pat V, has insight and knowledge about Linux that most developers and distro makers wished they had [21:00] I use it since 1997 and I wouldn't trade for other distros [21:00] this freaking rocks. duke nukem with hi res + LAN play [21:00] i do have to say, it's funny to watch this conversation, based on my experience with slack [21:00] Action: schneiderr trotts off to otherland [21:00] i wish it had internet play but i don't think duke nukem will fare very well over the internet [21:01] Kenjiro : and i hate to spoil your soap box story, but slackware is hardly aimed at 'sysadmins' [21:02] slackware is aimed at anyone that has the cajones to install & use it [21:02] Pig_Pen: ehehehehehehe [21:02] Pig_Pen: quite like that ;) [21:02] slackware is aimed at people who like to have control over their os, and use it on a small scale [21:03] ananke: well.. by what you say... it isn't worth much then. It is not meant for end users... nor sys. admins... [21:03] "control over their os" = cajones [21:03] it is for people who want to PLAY then? [21:03] if it is not fit for servers, nor desktop... [21:03] Kenjiro : your misinterpretation of what i said is just baffling [21:03] slugmax (n=slugmax@wsip-68-15-55-87.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:03] don't get offended. I run it on my desktop and many servers [21:04] Kenjiro : how many desktops and how many servers? [21:04] waffle waffle !! :P [21:04] Action: andarius would wager slackware does not have a target user base... [21:05] ananke: at home I have only 2 computers running slack: my netbook and my desktop. On my former job, I had it running on the desktop too, and 3 servers. On the job before that, I had it running on another desktop and 6 servers [21:05] "Unix is user-friendly. It just isn't promiscuous about which users it's friendly with." ? Steven King [21:05] let see, i been dicking around with linux for about 9 maybe 10 years, and in that amount of time i tried many many distros and i find slackware to be the very best Linux has to offer if you have the cajones to install/configure and actually use it [21:05] Kenjiro : ohh, and by the way, i've been using slack since '96, and i've managed over 60 slack servers and 100 slack workstations. [21:05] Pig_Pen : the 'cajones' argument has no merit [21:05] I am talking about desktop -> I <- use(d) [21:06] ananke: and you say "on a small scale"?!? :P [21:06] lol is that steven king the book writer ie: IT, the shining ? [21:06] but we did had... about 60 slackware desktops on the labs [21:06] ananke: what exactly constitutes a large scale rollout then? [21:06] Kenjiro : so what you had was a small scale operation [21:06] macavity: dependeing on the point of view... that is small scale *LOL* [21:06] macavity : when it comes to slackware, 50+ is no longer small scale [21:07] ananke, dont argue with me, i am too old and set in my ways to take anything you have to say serously [21:07] especially when it comes to individual servers [21:07] I enjoy my small LAN of four Slackware stations at home [21:07] Pig_Pen : that's quite dissappointing [21:07] pattwo (n=patrick@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:07] Pig_Pen: grin [21:08] I can imagine it to become nightmarish if you have such an amount of servers and desktops, actually [21:08] Action: andarius gives Pig_Pen a beer :o [21:08] Kenjiro : my point is simple: slack requires more time and effort than some other distributions. that's what matters to sysadmins [21:09] ananke: yes, depending on the size of your "operations"... yes, slackware, out of the box, is too time consuming [21:09] i don't claim that slack is 'not worth anything', despite what you seem to insinuate [21:09] will someone please just let ananke win? this is quite boring [21:09] ananke, i am a country boy that knows how to live off the land, if this economic depression wipes out your college profession your education wont do you a damn bit of good when it comes to hunting & fishing for your vittles [21:10] thrice`: LOL [21:10] and one could argue that if controll is paramount, then the extra time spent on slack administration is the only viable choice [21:10] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:10] indeed [21:10] Pig_Pen : i love how you assume that i don't posses said skills. in the meantime, i'm going to enjoy the benefits you don't have [21:10] macavity : yep [21:11] i'm a network admin but i can certainly deal with the wilderness [21:11] not sure how slack gives any more control than a debian-based distribution [21:11] yeah, i dont have anything, you keep thinking that [21:11] thrice` : does it upset you that i can make a valid argument? that's so funny [21:11] no, it upsets me that you're often a cocky prick will never let anything go [21:11] and while we are at it, Slackware is the only distro that can actually prove that the claimed size of your e-penis is not a hoax :P [21:11] let the holywar begin %) [21:12] and is never wrong [21:12] network admins in the wilderness, what a concept ;) [21:12] macavity: lol [21:12] you get just as much source code in debian, along with all the local modifications, and a lot of friendly people willing to help if things get tricky [21:12] Pig_Pen : you're more than welcome to stay ignorant about what i have or know [21:12] ditto [21:12] john_dee: oh, it never ended.. there were just short breaks while people reloaded their holy ammo [21:12] Action: andarius knows waffles are goot :P [21:12] pi31415: key word there is "local modifications". That answers your question. [21:12] Pig_Pen : i find it amusing that you pride yourself in your ignorance [21:13] macavity, lol..so true [21:13] pi31415: yeah, great local modifications like that one on openssl :) [21:13] hehe =) [21:13] macavity: the holy handgrenade on antioch comes in handy sometimes :) [21:13] slugmax (n=slugmax@wsip-68-15-55-87.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:13] at least they got their udev fix done correctly =) [21:13] the ultimate pissing contest live in ##slackware.........going to get beer and popcorn:) [21:13] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A74008.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:13] if the stock market crashed tomarrow, and the US dollar was as worthless as toilet paper it would not make a difference to me, because i can get my vittles right in my back yard [21:13] "advice needed on editors.. do i spent the time best on learning vi or emacs?" [21:14] Action: macavity wanders off and let the world go to hell in a hand bag [21:14] macavity: butterflies [21:14] he said vittles :o [21:14] wtf are vittles? [21:14] macavity: the world started down that road on 1/20/09. [21:14] don't spill yer gritz [21:14] i'll kill small mammals and fish but i'm not eating some vitrtles [21:14] nullzombie : those are the things that come 'tomarrow' [21:15] macavity: use whatever editor you like the most ;) [21:15] nullzombie: vittles is an aliteration of vitals, as in vital foods [21:15] Nick change: nullzombie -> nullboy [21:15] also known as grub [21:15] yea [21:15] or groceries, supplies, num nums [21:15] also known as chow [21:16] dead animals [21:16] Action: andarius prefers the chow usage ;) [21:16] that's what we called it in the Navy (chow). [21:16] same for the army [21:16] heh [21:16] hey speaking of dead, i had a dream last night where i sort of hit on some girl and she pulled out a .38 and put it to my head. wtf does that mean [21:17] ooh that will be a bad day in the big cities, especially in the bigger population centers of the north east USA, i can imagine the riots for food [21:17] she does not like you [21:17] lol [21:17] nullboy: she needs some special attention ;) [21:17] nullboy: it means hit on some other girl [21:17] nullboy: it means stock up on provisions or you'll have to fight cannibals for your dinner [21:17] cannibals...or..... [21:17] Nick change: nullboy -> nullzombie [21:17] nullboy: that means dont fsck with me [21:18] nullboy: it means that you are seriously affraid of rejection :P [21:18] welcome to slackware survialism ;) [21:18] macavity: probably huh [21:18] dang! [21:18] yes. Pig_Pen is the only one with access to such resources. that's amusing [21:18] nullzombie: or even worse.. you fear that rejection will kill you? :P [21:18] schneiderr: ok, I got ekiga-3.0.1 to compile. [21:18] macavity: you just took this way deeper [21:18] Nick change: macavity -> Freudcavity [21:18] my next holy mission will be to compile 3.0.2... perhaps... on monday *LOL* [21:19] i am greatful i dont live where there are millions of other people all looking for the same resources like a population center where people are packed in to a city like sardines [21:19] i live 5 minutes form the ocean...i'll fare just fine [21:19] from* [21:19] nullzombie: do you feel that you have been rejected by your mother in your early attempts to show manliness? [21:20] nullzombie: got a seaworthy boaty [21:20] boat* [21:20] first off...why would you consider getting into a boat during a break down? that is asking to die. [21:20] preferably one with both a motor and sail [21:20] second...i don't need a boat to get food. [21:20] Pig_Pen: where are you from? [21:20] nullzombie: lots of good salt water to drink there ;) [21:20] Freudcavity : you must have missed the real show-off here tonight: Pig_Pen and his farm [21:21] gnubien: i can take the sea water and use solar condensation techniques to get fresh water [21:21] long story Kenjiro, i was raised in east san diego county, and moved to oklahoma in 1980, now i live about 5 miles outside a little bitty redneck town [21:21] Pig_Pen: you can surf fish and use cast nets in the surf too [21:22] ananke: i havent finished my thesis on animalism yet, but rest assured, i shall make a creampie of his brain in due time :P [21:22] crabs and shellfish ftw [21:22] i can shoot deer & wild turkey from my back porch [21:22] nullzombie: sure, nots of resources available from the ocean [21:22] Pig_Pen east county here too ... [21:23] i used to live in Santee [21:23] deer and turkey, no natural predators left, sure to have a stable population once society collapses and they are no longer government controlled [21:23] Pig_Pen, spring valley here :) [21:23] between Prospect & Big Rock road [21:23] nice [21:23] yosii (n=yosi@71.143.168.182) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:23] lol cool! my old stomping ground, i loved it there [21:23] small world [21:23] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [21:24] just wait until feral pigs evolve the ability to start fires and use rifles [21:24] pi31415: they can already do that in Alabama [21:25] hell, they can talk on the CB radios [21:25] danc3: they doing human-pig genetic experiments down there? [21:25] no, just natural evolution [21:25] danc3: breaker 19 for the porker ;) [21:25] ok, good night to you all [21:25] Pig_Pen : i do wonder one thing. is the lack of education the reason you feel necessary to attack me, for no reason whatsoever? [21:25] thanks for all the laughter :) [21:25] pi31415: there are wild boar in oklahoma & arkansas too, they can be dangerous so when you hunt them you also gotta bring a pistol besides a rifle because if they decide to attack you need something good for close range [21:26] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:26] ok fuck off ananke [21:26] i heard someone say they are getting longer legs and learning how to climb trees.. sounded like crazy talk to me [21:26] so [21:26] Pig_Pen: pretty standard practice for hunting, regardless of location [21:26] Pig_Pen : are you unable to carry on a normal conversation, without resorting to such insults? [21:27] ananke: hush it, nobody's interested in your personal tirades [21:27] ananke: it's IRC, did you expect an evil mastermind? [21:27] danc3 : i'm not the one who started it [21:27] you know what "fuck off" means? it means shut up i am through with you [21:27] ananke: doesn't matter "who started it" [21:27] ananke: honnestly, subtle insults are no better than blunt ones... [21:27] danc3 : in that case, nobody's interested in your opinion [21:27] ananke: run along and do your homework [21:28] Kenjiro (n=kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) left irc: "gone" [21:28] Freudcavity : i'm trying to figure out why he decided to insult me first, without any provocation on my part [21:28] Action: Freudcavity feels the love in the air [21:28] is there an event I can trap for when X comes back from screensaver? [21:28] danc3 : now that's funny, you think i have 'homework'? [21:28] ananke: you're the one trying to keep the pot stirred up. Hush up now. [21:28] danc3 : you hush [21:28] ananke: perhaps he has a problem with authority.. does it matter when IRC offers /ignore? :P [21:28] oh hey, am I getting in the way of a penis-swinging contest? [21:29] Freudcavity : i was curious [21:29] don't let me interrupt [21:29] CaptObviousman: yes, ananke is obsessed with proving he has one [21:29] lulz [21:29] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151071236.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:29] danc3 : that was almost clever. bravo [21:29] i am *so* logging this [21:29] Freudcavity, are you going to tweet it [21:29] this is going to be fun. i'm going to get a beer [21:30] noobfarm probably has some new material now :D [21:30] test34: no, i am going to manipulate it and upload it to noobfarm [21:30] yeah, I've run into this before with ananke [21:30] color me surprised [21:30] how Freudian [21:30] absolutely :P [21:30] for being so 3l33t, ananke can be quite immature :) [21:31] ananke thinks he is the cat's ass when it comes to intelect, knowing something is fine, but not everybody is going to share the same opinion [21:31] dogpile [21:31] copland-leopard (n=copland-@209.241.118.121) joined ##slackware. [21:31] s/dog/dung/ [21:32] bartender, another drink! [21:32] Pig_Pen : that's quite ironic, coming from a person who proclaims pride in his ignorance [21:32] ... [21:32] "i am so proud of my ignorence" did anyone ever hear me say that? [21:32] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:33] ananke, dont argue with me, i am too old and set in my ways to take anything you have to say serously [21:33] ananke: you probably dont care the slightest bit, but right now i consider you the aggressor... [21:33] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [21:33] +1 [21:33] looking for something to fight about at that [21:33] agreed [21:33] whitty and leet fail [21:34] Freudcavity : let's see. i have multiple individuals who feel necessary to attack me personally, and not my views on the subject of slackware [21:34] wait, one would have to be leet to leet fail :| [21:34] ananke: yeah, everyone's out to "get you", right? LOL [21:34] ananke: it just means that i have my way about doing things and i dont need any help from you [21:34] danc3 : shall we use you as an example? [21:34] dead (n=dead@unaffiliated/dead) joined ##slackware. [21:34] ananke: you can if you'd like [21:34] Pig_Pen : i wasn't offering any help [21:35] is there an easy way to tell which slackware version you have installed? [21:35] dead: /etc/slackware-version [21:35] dead: cat /etc/slakware-version [21:35] danc3 : ananke: you're the one trying to keep the pot stirred up. Hush up now. CaptObviousman: yes, ananke is obsessed with proving he has one [21:35] damn it [21:35] and i dont need a devils advocate either [21:35] mis-spelled it [21:35] multimas (n=multimas@h87-241-117-143.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:35] ananke: evening [21:35] Dominian : evening [21:35] ananke: whatever. Hush up and go do something else [21:35] ananke: I see you're "fan club" is here [21:35] lol [21:35] lulz [21:35] Dominian : yep. all of them. it's like a convention [21:35] heh [21:36] this all comes from premature potty training [21:36] in case you didnt know.. [21:36] :P [21:36] good thing it's IRC or it could have been messy [21:36] i do find it amusing though. each and every one of them is trying to outdo the others, in trying to attack me [21:36] ananke, i think the retards in #ubuntu or #debin or ##linux desperately need your help and infinate wisdom [21:36] ananke: ye [21:36] er.. aye [21:36] ananke: admittadely, you're the one who continues to pursue stupid comments [21:36] Pig_Pen : ahh, and yet another gem of literature from you [21:36] damn guitar hero [21:36] screws up my typing everytime I playi t [21:36] Pig_Pen: and now you are the one who should shut up [21:36] thrice` : you're my hero #4 tonight [21:37] haha [21:37] what for ? [21:37] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.69.57) joined ##slackware. [21:37] Freudcavity: dont get on my bad side [21:37] thrice` : for being yourself [21:37] please, define myself [21:37] you would not want to be on my bad side [21:37] no more drinks for you [21:37] thrice`: for picking on him, probably. Waaaaaaaaaahhhhhh! [21:37] Pig_Pen: i never get on anyones bad side.. once in a while someone puts me there on their own [21:38] danc3 : you're just so precious [21:38] I know it [21:38] Pig_Pen: and since /ignore is a good and fine solution for me, i actually dont care [21:38] danc3 : i bet you do [21:38] I know all [21:38] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151095223.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:39] ananke: define "myself?" [21:39] but it would, in general, be much more amusing if all pissed off parties would just go read slashdot for a while [21:39] .. say 20 minutes? [21:39] /ignore #slackware for 15 mins [21:39] danc3 : i think you could become a real gem on a.o.l.s. [21:39] test34: yup [21:39] Action: Freudcavity goes to 7-11 [21:39] ananke: been there, done that [21:40] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [21:42] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [21:42] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:43] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:43] shhh!!! [21:44] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:44] Floops (n=baihu@yo-mama.info) joined ##slackware. [21:44] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:45] ananke: when the discussion could have been about interesting topics such as your and other people's view on slackware's technical merits in small and large environments. I don't care much for anything else myself, but if people want to waste their time on other useless stuff, why should anyone prevent them from doing so ... [21:47] psychicist : and that's the sad fact, that rather than focusing on the real issues, the discussion degenerated so quickly. not to mention that by no means i was trying to prevent anybody from doing something [21:47] serenity now! [21:47] quit! [21:48] and there goes thrice`, yet again [21:48] fuck off [21:48] thrice` : ahh now. you're my #1 fan [21:48] \o/ [21:48] it all started when someone mentioned building a kernel, then ananke make a comment about nobody needs to know how to build a kernel and it kept esclating from there [21:48] you can't help yourself, but join any conversation i'm involved with. [21:49] I know, it's because I envy you [21:49] and your god-sent (aged) slacking ability [21:49] "The e-penis debates! News at 11..." [21:49] ananke: the sad part is that the discussion moved on to other things, for a good 10 minutes while you were quiet, and then you had to jump back in and stir up the pot again, claiming people were "attacking" you. You could have let the discussion go on without trying to cry about your personal issues. All easily verifiable by scrolling back, BTW. [21:49] ananke: dont expect everyone to fit your idea of what and how Linux should be managed [21:49] in this particular case i would say wee-penis [21:49] not quite. here's what was said: The problem is nobody wants to do anything anymore. go on any distros irc channel and ask who compiles their own kernel. [21:49] JasonosaJ : and why should they bother compiling the kernel? [21:49] ananke, um learn a thing or two. Why use linux if you don't know shit about it. [21:50] right, we cant scroll :( [21:50] is this shit for real? [21:50] danc3 : i find it ironic that you have the audacity to talk about 'moving on discussion'. you're like a sewer rat, that jumps on corpses [21:50] beer + scrolling = fail [21:50] instead of measuring your dongs better tell me what can prevent slack (bubuntu too) from waking up after suspend or even going into it? [21:50] ananke: everywhere you go shit gets stirred up, i remember in ##linux it was the same way, why is that with you? [21:51] Pig_Pen : i find it interesting that you decide to twist my _question_ into a _statement_ [21:51] john_dee: I missed it? what was the issue you're having? [21:51] copland-leopard (n=copland-@209.241.118.121) left irc: [21:51] ananke: insults will get you nowhere, especially the un-called-for ones. I was simply stating facts, and not attacking you personally. If you can't handle that, that's your problem. [21:51] Dominian, every disrto i tried fail to go to suspend/hibernate. or if they do, they don't wake up [21:51] danc3 : you're the one who started insulting me first, and yet you want to preach about not insulting people? [21:52] john_dee: ya know.. unfortunately, I have no experience with that... I have a laptop but I never suspend nor hibernate it... [21:52] this is no longer anything sensable. how about a boot to a real topic ? [21:52] john_dee: are you using pm-utils ? [21:52] ananke: you're dodging the issue. You are the one who has to keep bringing the crap up. The rest of us have moved on. I suggest you do the same. [21:52] then again it never was anything sensable... [21:52] pm-utils should handle suspend and resume quirks quite well [21:52] danc3 : then why do you keep talking about it? [21:52] Actually, it was quite until psychicist kicked the convo back up.... [21:52] ananke: because you keep crying about it. [21:52] er.. s/quite/quiet [21:52] ananke: that's why I don't bother and after our fierce but fair discussion (if you can remember that one) last year I hardly spend much time here anymore, it doesn't make much sense [21:53] thrice`, no. what's that? [21:53] thrice`: Oh I'm glad you chimed in.. I totally spaced pm-utils.. [21:53] danc3 : you keep attacking me, and then you whine 'why do you keep bringing it up'? ohh, the hypocrisy [21:53] and is there any way to troubleshoot it? [21:53] if you're using slackware, it's installed by default [21:53] ananke: quit crying [21:53] danc3 : see, there you go again [21:53] ananke: quit crying [21:53] danc3 : your repertoire is getting smaller by the minute [21:53] john_dee: try "pm-suspend" as root to see if it suspends / resumes OK. if so, you can write some acpi scripts to handle things using them :) [21:53] Dominian: I don't care for side issues, I care about content and serious discussions. never was it in my interest to bring up those other things, I simply don't care [21:54] i think it would be best for the ##slackware channel if EVERYONE shutup for the rest of the evening unless it is to help someone solve a slackware probelm [21:54] psychicist : i do agree, i'd rather have more meaningful discussion in this channel [21:54] agreed. Only problem is that ananke won't let things go. [21:54] Ledah (n=user@55-161-126-200.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:55] danc3 : and you expect people to think that you're not the one who keeps stirring it up? [21:55] ananke: quit crying [21:55] danc3 : invest in a thesaurus [21:55] i think it would be best for the ##slackware channel if EVERYONE shutup for the rest of the evening unless it is to help someone solve a slackware probelm! please, for the sake of Slackware Linux and all that is good [21:55] Or to brag about drinking some damn good beer [21:56] thrice`, thx. will try that when i boot back to linux [21:56] Dominian : i'm stuck with a 'rising moon' seasonal ale [21:56] ananke: doh [21:56] Dominian: local brew, home brew? [21:56] ananke: killians' red here [21:56] I was thinking amber bock.. but don't have much cash right now.. went with the 6 pack for 5.85 hehe [21:56] Dominion: I have to wait 30 minutes to have beer.....gotta take my kid to her youth group tonight....7:30 then beerz [21:57] pfft [21:57] hrm I think my neighbors are on the wireless again [21:57] and if they are.... [21:57] Action: Dominian will have some fun [21:57] did you install chilli spot? [21:57] time for upsidedownternet [21:58] acidchild2: nope [21:58] acidchild2: I'm slowly blocking all traffic [21:58] this beer goes well with the weather. it was snowing 2 days ago, and today was 85F [21:58] :D [21:58] ananke: yeah that's messed up [21:58] acidchild2: you on gtalk? [21:58] oh guess not [21:58] He's on the BB [21:58] in the last few years we've been going straight from winter into summer. global warming ftw [21:59] acidchild2: guess what? [21:59] ananke: haha I'm still not convinced that global warming is even a fact... I think its a cycle the earth goes through every so often [21:59] People always want to explain natural occurring phonomena [21:59] or however you spell it [21:59] Action: Dominian blames the beer [22:00] and I left spongebob playing in the front room [22:00] it is a natural cycle. The hype is simply the media and the politicians trying to justify spending more of our money. [22:00] heh [22:00] danc3: Well, the kicker is.. I like Green enegery [22:00] if this is what forces our government to invest in that.. then so be it [22:00] me too, nothing wrong with conserving and improving, without panic. [22:00] I will, someday, power part of home with solar power [22:01] cool [22:01] I'm also looking at getting a natural gas generator "just in case" [22:01] I'd like to meet up with Al Gore in a pool bar some night. [22:01] Dominian: start with solar hot water, it has fastest payback time [22:01] power the front room .. fridge.. stove (just in case) and the furnace/AC [22:01] gar0t0 (n=Tiago@189-69-85-158.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:01] gnubien: well, I don't pay that much in u tilities as it is righ tnow ;) [22:01] my bills are actually quite cheap [22:01] hello all :) [22:02] ahhhhh its gar0t0 [22:02] Action: Dominian runs [22:03] dead (n=dead@unaffiliated/dead) left ##slackware. [22:03] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:04] Hello gar0t0. How are you? [22:05] copland-leopard (n=copland-@209.241.118.121) joined ##slackware. [22:06] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@12.77.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [22:06] hrm.. I can get a bluetooth ear piece to go with my cell phone for 39bucks [22:08] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [22:11] Dominian: Go for it man. [22:11] don't do it it's a trap [22:11] hehe [22:11] XGizzmo_: I need to talk to work.. its for my new work cell phone [22:12] XGizzmo_: see if they would be willing to purchase it or if I have to and get reimursed [22:12] ahh [22:12] nice phone [22:12] I defihitely like it better than the last one [22:12] Dominian: why you runing :( [22:12] gar0t0: ? [22:12] oh [22:12] cause I'm drinking and being stupid? [22:12] dead (n=dead@unaffiliated/dead) joined ##slackware. [22:13] dead (n=dead@unaffiliated/dead) left ##slackware. [22:13] Get the camcorder out if he says "Hold my beer and watch this.". [22:14] an uneasy peace as settled in ##Slackware, a city just recently in turmoil, lets hope the peace continues :D [22:14] Ledah (n=user@55-161-126-200.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: "ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" [22:14] Dominian: I'm drinking one beer "on" this moment :D [22:14] Nick change: Freudcavity -> macavity [22:14] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:14] in this moment ? [22:15] Pig_Pen: amen to that :-) [22:15] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:15] a beer this moment [22:15] Action: macavity just fetched more cola, and is thus ready to party [22:16] i had my two drinks, i usually drink just one, but it is friday TGIF! [22:16] Pig_Pen++ [22:16] TGIF? [22:16] ah, nm [22:16] dooh :P [22:17] paris hilton ;) [22:17] macavity: good thing you got more cola [22:17] wtf(6) does not know about TGIF [22:18] File a bug report :P [22:18] i would have another, but everclear has a way of messing you up so you wake up drunk the next day, thats worse than a hangover [22:18] I just bought a bunch of beer tonight. Some Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, Grolsch and some Heff. [22:18] it was last updated in 1999 [22:18] i haz Kirin [22:18] ... so how about we all just start mailing Pat patches for the wtf database? [22:22] Dear Pat: here are my blue jeans, there are holes in the knees, please patch them and send em back as soon as possible [22:25] firebird619: i'm fine and you [22:25] damn.. i am generallay not in to that sorta music, but the credit song from Portal is bloody good :P [22:27] I like spiderbait's cover of black betty [22:28] gar0t0: I'm doing great. Thank you. [22:29] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:29] nix_chix (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] "whowoh, black betty bam ba lam" that song? [22:29] firebird619: you "talk" here every days ? [22:30] yeah [22:32] gar0t0: Yeah, I'm here everyday. [22:34] prodigy (i=1000@pool-173-57-58-121.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] hello everyone [22:35] hello prodigy. [22:35] does anyone here use tor? I was wondering if it really works and whether it's complicated to set up with slackware [22:35] prodigy : well, what are you trying to accomplish? [22:36] and yes, it works. i wouldn't recommend setting up a tor exit node though [22:36] ananke: basically if i download something via ftp, or if i visit a website that logs my IP, will tor help me keep my IP anonymously or hidden? [22:36] slackmagic : yes [22:38] what he said, we shouldn't look at each other's screens btw slackmagic [22:38] prodigy: you type too slow, so I just did you a favor, that's all [22:39] you also may want to look at I2P. of course, the question remains: what are you trying to accomplish? why is anonymous web browsing an issue for you? [22:40] Ledah (n=user@55-161-126-200.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [22:40] ananke: because one of my friends who also lives in this apartment complex - we're all using verizon fios in this area - received an email from verizon : Notice of Claim of Copyright Infringement he supposedly downloaded a movie via bittorrent, but he says it was his neighbor, so to make sure that nobody can get him into trouble again, he wants to know how to surf or be on the internet anonymously [22:41] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-25-60.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] Ledah (n=user@55-161-126-200.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:41] cricket[b] (n=cricket@ip98-164-81-106.no.no.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:41] prodigy : uhmm, the solution would be to NOT violate copyrights [22:41] cricket[b] (n=cricket@ip98-164-81-106.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:42] and if he says it was his neighbour - how did his neighbour use this network connection? [22:42] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-25-60.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:42] ananke: he's sharing his internet fios connection [22:43] prodigy : then the solution would be to NOT share it [22:43] ananke: I think he shouldn't either and I and slackmagic already told him that. [22:44] using tor wouldn't solve this problem at all [22:44] firebird619: cool [22:45] ananke: ok, so he should just stop sharing or see the consequences...and i'll tell him stuff like tor won't make a difference in that matter [22:46] ananke: thanks for your input on this [22:47] prodigy, was verizon spying the communications to claim the infringement? [22:48] cricket[b] (n=cricket@ip98-164-81-106.no.no.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:48] maxote: no i think he said that someone was complaining about someone with his IP at that time/date to be downloading that specific movie via bittorrent or something. So someone forwarded that information to Verizon and hence they sent him that email to notify him [22:48] well there is one advantage of having an unsecured wifi ap, just blame it on war drivers :D [22:49] lot of IP information is confidential of the communication between peers, verizon can't claim this kind of information for lawsuit. [22:49] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:50] maxote : they're not. it's the riaa/mpaa hired organizations that do. verizon simply forwards that info [22:50] before they can sue you they would have to confiscate your PC and look at the contents of the harddrive for evidence, just an ip addres wont hold up in court [22:50] this kind of "forwarding of spied communications is ILLEGAL" [22:51] maxote : it's not a 'spied communication', and it's not illegal [22:51] it's as the illegal forwarding of telephone communications [22:52] verizon hijacked it [22:52] maxote : nobody is forwarding that. [22:52] maxote : again, they didn't [22:52] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.177.102) joined ##slackware. [22:53] an organization hired by mpaa/riaa notices that a given IP is in a given bittorent cloud, downloading a given copyrighted work. they look up the IP, and send a letter to the ISP. ISP forwards that letter to the user. [22:53] I had this great idea for tor [22:53] Tor is probably the biggest security hole someone could install on their system [22:54] because you have to trust the exit node [22:54] so Tor is an internet whore [22:54] and a lot of exit nodes aren't trustworthy (just look at all the information security presentations where "researches" use Tor to demonstrate their attacks) [22:55] So as a dark-grey hat, what you want to do is host a Tor exit node [22:55] because then you have free and easy access to whatever idiots want to pass over the Tor network [22:55] nobody sane wants to be a tor exit node. so what's left is either very shady [blackhat] or very shady [gov't] [22:56] which is usually interesting stuff (why else would they be trying to hide it) [22:56] nix_chix (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:56] ananke: I'm getting to that [22:56] who has the right of permission to use the "personal IP" and forwarding this "personal IP" to another entity? [22:56] sitwon : sorry :) [22:56] Does anyone here use the unionfs-fuse program? And why isn't unionfs included in the kernel? [22:56] maxote : again, nobody is 'forwarding IP' and there is no such thing as 'personal IP' [22:57] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [22:57] you don't want to be a Tor exit node because of the liability and because it makes it easy to trace back to you when people get wise to the shady things that are happening [22:57] i would not have anything to do with it, probably has child porn, and other nasties going through it, not just movies & music files [22:57] >_< [22:57] it's, they tracked the route of a man from the home's door to the car, who did forward the home's number from the door to another entity for claiming the infrigement of a man jumping over plants of its neighbour to the car? [22:58] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062138004.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:58] so what you do is get two internet connections, accept incomming connections on one of them (and use some well documented attacks to draw more traffic to your "exit node") and use the other to route that "exit" traffic back through the Tor network to other exit nodes [22:58] So other exit nodes bear all the liability and you still have your MITM [22:58] maxote : i'm not quite sure what your point is. there is no 'spying' or 'forwarding IP' as you claim [22:59] Verizion doesn't like people being Tor Exit nodes, but if you're just forwarding it back onto Tor you're not really an exit node [22:59] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:59] it's the perfect win for us dark-grey hats [23:00] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left ##slackware. [23:00] its 10:00 PM do you know where your sanity is? [23:00] I'd just need a 2nd FiOS connection. (or maybe a third because I still want to use bit torrent) [23:00] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:01] sorry was going over to his place and telling him to stop sharing his connection. If anyone is interested in seeing the email, we took a screenshot and uploaded it [23:02] http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7407/verizonviolation.png [23:02] another question, was Verizon doing a massive storage of all the communications of the users? [23:02] why? [23:02] it's interesting though, our .edu has taken subpoenas from RIAA all the way to the supreme court, because they wanted us to hand over names of people who were downloading copyrighted works, while in said cases it was network connections in shared spaces [23:03] no idea, he just got scared when he got the email, asking me for advice and i asked you guys in here what might work or what does not work, but ananke is right; to avoid this dilemma all together, he should just stop sharing his connection..problem solved! [23:04] oh heck yeah! i would not let neighbors share my connection, i dont want to be liable for what they do online [23:04] prodigy : the thing is that he has no good defense. and if he shares his connection for a fee, he may get in trouble with verizon itself [23:05] maxote : and as you can clearly see, there was no information given out. they are simply forwarding that notice to the user, which they are required to do so by law [23:06] Jean (n=jean@93-36-225-52.ip62.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:06] prodigy : mpaa/riaa is especially keen on finding users who share copyrighted works that have NOT been released yet. [23:07] speaking of... [23:07] Action: Dominian starts deleting... [23:07] ;) [23:08] can Verizon accept mails from mpaa/riaa and forward them? then, can Verizon accept mails from anyone and forward them? [23:08] on a side note, we actually had some graduate students do that at our institute. and they always claimed ignorance 'i didn't know i couldn't do it'. in one case that student was fired right away [23:08] email forward is a common use [23:08] watermaked unlreased copies so they can trace it back to cuttingroom floor editors & other people in the production of movies & music [23:08] maxote : uhmm, this isn't just mail from anyone to anyone. those are legal notices [23:09] the legal notices are just mails [23:09] macavity: keep in mind.. that your carrier has to take full responsibility for everything.. so if they fell you violate anything that is illegal.. they can turn you off without notice.. they are doing you a favor in forwarding that letter to you [23:09] Dominian: s/macavity/maxote/ ? [23:09] yah [23:09] beer + tab completion = fail [23:10] maxote : they're not 'just mails'. those are communications that must be sent, according to the law. what are you trying to argue here? [23:10] ananke: sounds like he's taking an anarchist's view of the situation [23:10] these notices are justly spam [23:10] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:10] and should be trashed [23:10] it appears that maxote is just on the general paranoia lane... and trying to think about it's technical implications without knowing the technology [23:10] maxote : uhmm, whaaat? [23:11] I had a few fake emails like that - with some virus or other in an attach [23:11] maxote: ok.. well.. let me get you on our connections through the ISP I work for.. I'll cut you off without a notice.. that make you happier? [23:11] Ledah (n=user@55-161-126-200.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:11] maxote : spam is an unsolicited BULK e-mail [23:12] mpaa/riaa are spammers [23:12] laters [23:12] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:12] heh [23:12] Don't get me wrong.. the mpaa and riaa can burn in hell for all i care. [23:12] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:12] and the sad thing here is that this e-mail actually was proven to be of use in this case: the owner of the connection wasn't aware that his neighbour was doing something potentially illegal. thanks to this notice, he will take the steps necessary to protect himself [23:13] but they do have the right to protect their copyrighted works.. although I don't condone the tactics they use [23:13] maxote : nobody is arguing that, but you seem to be blaming verizon for something [23:13] mpaa and riaa can't do one billion of notices to one billion of users in one minute, it's unimaginable. [23:13] maxote : what in the world are you talking about? [23:14] are you claiming that they sent out mails to 1/5 of the worlds population in one minute? [23:14] ananke, in the Internet world [23:14] does anybody know what maxote is talking about? [23:14] i am much more interested in finding out how it relates to slackware :P [23:15] i'd like a translation, please :) [23:15] junpa (n=caesar@pacman.sawbox.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:15] junpa (n=caesar@pacman.sawbox.org) joined ##slackware. [23:16] interesting, they have a 'copyright infringement level'. like i was guessing, they may pay different attention to the unreleased works more [23:16] Noobsause (i=47ccbacb@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-71524162f9fa390b) joined ##slackware. [23:17] ananke: yeah, I totally agree about them being keen on movies that haven't even been released yet. Well, he'll stop sharing he said...so that's the end of the story, whatever he does personally now is his thing. [23:17] Ledah (n=user@55-161-126-200.fibertel.com.ar) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [23:17] prodigy : do you know if he was sharing that connection for free, or was he charging a fee? [23:17] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "meh" [23:17] i bet he did it by accident [23:18] most clueless 'tards do :P [23:18] everyone, Sorry for being such a noobz, i have receantly missplaced me 1337 sause. I just installed slcakware and the graphic settings are messed up. I mean the blacks are yellow, the saturation is just way to big. When i try to change the color settings the ui just crashes. [23:18] I am running Xfce [23:18] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:18] Noobsause: slackware version? graphics hardware? [23:19] ananke: for free, his neighbor is an international student, only staying here for a term or two [one term = 2 months] at the language institute...he didn't want to sign up for internet at his apartment so asked if he could use the internet [23:19] macavity, 12.2 onboard graphics [23:19] Noobsause: what kind of onboard graphics? [23:19] macavity : i remember that one of our sysadmins did a similar 'mistake' once. he was downloading stuff via bittotrent at home, on his laptop. he forgot to kill the client before getting on wifi at work. a day later we got a notice. [23:19] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:19] Noobsause: intel? via? [23:19] macavity: one sec. [23:20] Noobsause: /sbin/lspci | grep VGA [23:20] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [23:20] prodigy : k. the reason i ask is because selling it would violate verizon AUP [23:20] ati [23:21] radeon x1200 [23:21] Noobsause: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf [23:21] ananke: he didn't charge because he wouldn't know how to charge anybody...would it be by hours? by bandwidth? so in the end he just said sure, use the internet for free and so far it all seemed well until he got that email by verizon [23:21] Noobsause: make it say Driver "ati" in the Device section [23:21] macavity: kk thank you one sec. [23:22] macavity: i can barly read the screen [23:22] Noobsause, fun name [23:22] Noobsause: both in and out of X? [23:22] I like it [23:22] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:22] macavity:yes bptj [23:23] hello all :) [23:23] Noobsause: then there is another issue at hand [23:23] bptj? [23:23] sup Old_Fogie. [23:23] 'lo Old_Fogie [23:23] Old_Fogie: sup dawg? :P [23:23] hmm, craigslist section for auto sales is just crowded with scammers [23:24] heya,Old_Fogie [23:24] macavity: i think the issue is when i isntalled slack and it asked for some setting to display logons on startup, i think i might have flew over that step [23:24] :D [23:24] ananke, that sucks because that could be such a good resource [23:24] macavity:and chicked a random one [23:24] prodigy, mark the fucked email as unsolicited emal, spam's email, .. [23:24] macavity:Clicked* [23:24] hey Old_Fogie :) [23:25] barcara (n=barcara@cpe-66-108-212-246.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:25] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:25] hey Old_Fogie:) [23:25] adrenaline_, indeed. i bought one car that way, years ago. i was just looking at my rss feeds, and it's just flooded with spam/scammers [23:25] macavity: Is it hard to fix, if at all, or should i just re-install [23:25] Noobsause: are you sure that is Slackware, and not Vector, Slax or some other slackware deriative? [23:25] macavity: sorry, i thought i could use slax as short for slackware [23:25] macavity:i have slackware 12.2 [23:26] Old_Fogie: slack 12.2 works great on that antique I was talking about a few days ago - Thinkpad 600E [Pentium II-400Mhz with 160megs of RAM], video works fine, sound worked wonderfully and the pcmcia wireless card works also! [23:26] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [23:26] Noobsause : 'slack' would be a short name for 'slackware' :) [23:26] if you can barely read the screen out of X, things might get a little hairy to fix [23:26] slackmagic: ah glad it worked out for you [23:26] Old_Fogie: The lexmark printer...did it have any problems letting you use it as a raw printer? [23:26] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:27] hmm, i still need to buy a cargo tray mat for my car [23:27] macavity: So i i asume a re-install is brewing up in here? [23:27] anake: thanks! [23:27] maxote: I don't think it was spam...I looked too and it actually really came from verizon [23:27] MLanden: didn't get to it just yet, hoping tomorrow. Tonight, I'm about to squash the last two bugs in my gnome build system and I'm done with gnome for another 6 mo's :) [23:27] hear ya,Old_Fogie [23:27] Noobsause: i would suggest so, and make sure you set the screen size right in the lilo configuration [23:28] Noobsause: then we can get you up and running with the right X driver afterwards [23:28] Yeah, gotta build gnome-session from svn, as the latest offiical releases in 2.6.26 are 100% cpu use [23:28] prodigy, verizon is only a forwarder of spammers [23:28] Noobsause: also make sure you do a full install [23:28] macavity: thanks! You will hear back from noobsause at a later time [23:28] maxote : uhmm, did you even bother reading this note? [23:28] Noobsause: your wellcome :-) [23:28] Noobsause out! [23:28] Noobsause (i=47ccbacb@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-71524162f9fa390b) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [23:29] funny fella :P [23:29] Action: chopp has a feeling that Noobsause is someone we know messing around. [23:29] prodigy, do the email announce who's this email from? [23:29] spam it [23:30] maxote : go read the actual e-mail, before you judge it as spam: http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7407/verizonviolation.png [23:30] PHughes (n=Stazer@cpe-66-108-212-246.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:30] that's a heavy load alright,Old_Fogie [23:31] maxote: yes, it most definitely can't be spam, spam doesn't take their time to write nice letters like these, they mostly do ads for porn and other crappy stuff [23:31] PHughes (n=Stazer@cpe-66-108-212-246.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [23:31] neuro_sys (n=neuro_sy@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) joined ##slackware. [23:31] MLanden: yeah :) I was running it in a vm, and thought it was a tad slow, but thought it might be that I was in vm, and not on a real box. I put it on a test box, and was scratching my head :) [23:31] MLanden: the oracle (google) saved me on that one, heh [23:32] IC,Old_Fogie [23:32] yosi (n=yosi@71.143.168.182) joined ##slackware. [23:32] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [23:32] ananke: wow.. [23:33] neuro_sys (n=neuro_sy@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) left irc: Client Quit [23:33] yeah, Old_Fogie --unstable is getting pretty stable :) gonna have to finish my kde4 for it now. Always something to do/learn on gnu/lin, heh [23:33] prodigy, it's the wrong form of notice the infringement by Internet [23:33] PHughes (n=Stazer@cpe-66-108-212-246.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:33] agentc0re|work, of course, it's not my notice. it's what prodigy's friend received [23:33] maxote : what in the world does that even mean? [23:34] some emails are marked as spam, then nothing is sure. [23:34] maxote : it's like you keep throwing random words and form sentences that way [23:35] You know cracking down on piracy is good, but that way just doesn't sit well in my stomach. [23:35] that is not the first time he does that... last time it was haskel he was rambling on about [23:35] and how much every other programming language in the world sucked compared to it [23:35] maxote : i'm not sure what your definition of spam is, but it's certainly different than most of ours [23:36] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [23:37] not sure if it's a language barrier, or something more [23:37] Floops[w]1 (n=baihu@floopsie.broker.freenet6.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] prodigy, did you see the sign of the Director of such email? nothing is sure ... [23:40] spaceplo_ (i=SpacePlo@72.20.48.65) joined ##slackware. [23:40] maxote : just give it up [23:40] prodigy, reclaim the signed document of the mpaa/riaa directors for your defense against them [23:41] ... [23:41] maxote : i think you fail to understand how it works. no such document is required. [23:42] ananke, then no such document is valid. [23:42] maxote: i think it's all done, my friend realized that stuff like this could happen anytime if he shares his connection...so whether this was spam OR not, it certainly opened his eyes and I think that's what counts [23:43] prodigy, without sign, the document is not legally valid. [23:43] cya ppl [23:43] maxote : wtf are you talking about? [23:43] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "link closed" [23:44] maxote : there is no 'document'. his friend is NOT getting sued. [23:44] verizon are well within their rights to cut an internet connection off for violating tos [23:45] i think i'm going to give up. discussing finer points of french cuisine with a snail would be more productive :) [23:45] then drop their contracts due to their disconnections [23:46] *** Now ignoring maxote [23:46] oh crap.. i need to turn that off [23:46] lol [23:46] lol [23:47] Jinx! [23:48] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:49] it's near to the line of NWO [23:49] gar0t0 (n=Tiago@189-69-85-158.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "dormir|sleeping" [23:50] lee555J5 (n=lee555J5@24-178-190-45.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:52] lee555J5 (n=lee555J5@24-178-190-45.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) left irc: "leaving" [23:52] lee555J5 (n=lee555J5@24-178-190-45.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. 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[23:59] half and half. [00:00] --- Sat Apr 25 2009