[00:00] Action: jewbacca is looking for an non-oracle-owned java plugin [00:00] jewbacca: well, you could always use the last-release-before-oracle-bought-it version :) [00:00] lol [00:00] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [00:00] nachox (~Ignacio@133-74-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:00] troy, i'm using the release that's included with slack for now [00:01] herbz: well, I usually only use the open source edition anyway - perhaps a community will take up a fork or something [00:01] troy, and gcj, gij works for compiling and testing, but still need a plugin [00:01] virtualbox is really quite good [00:01] ya vb is [00:01] we use it now too [00:02] not to be confused with VB a shit language lol [00:03] ya i used slackware since 7.0 [00:03] bbl family [00:05] Ugh. How is it that I can be comfortable with perl's 20,000 modules, using ones I've never used before 10 seconds after I have them installed... but I can't manage to even learn the basics of the C's standard libraries? [00:05] lulz [00:05] Redb3ard: are you learning C syntax at the same time? [00:05] Nah, I'm good with C syntax. [00:06] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-127-17-34.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] weird then :) [00:06] C syntax is extremely perlish so it wouldn't matter anyway [00:06] gniks: in that it's impossible to read? *grin* [00:06] I'm fuzzy on the weirder parts of C++, but I at least know what the compiler is bitching about even with that. [00:06] Action: troy defends himself with his shorts of infinite python [00:06] haha, well C is awesome syntaxtually & perl on the other hand [00:07] lulz @ troy and his python comment [00:07] Redb3ard: well, the weirder parts of C++ are, well, weird :) [00:07] Redb3ard: writing something like a template library is not for the faint at heart [00:08] I don't even know how to look up what I need to know. I have a 1 byte char whose value I need to vary in a for loop, where it's the ascii value for the for loop variable (32 becomes space, etc). I know there's a function for it, but damned if I can think of what it'd be. [00:08] hrmm - I think 'faint' is the wrong word, a homonym perhaps... feignt? [00:09] Feint. [00:09] Redb3ard: ah, obscurity through abreviation :) [00:09] Redb3ard: aha! [00:10] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.59.76.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [00:10] Redb3ard: what is your stopping point for the for loop? [00:10] Redb3ard: the c libs all have silly names like 'stoa'... I mean, what the hell does that mean!? [00:10] trone: they are shorthand for many ASM functions [00:10] like Store A = stoa [00:11] gniks, I just go through 32 of them. It's some weird serial chip library, that does SPI. [00:11] gniks: I know, but couldn't you call it 'store_a' or something :) API's can be self-documenting and code easier to read :) [00:11] I have 32 registers, 0 - 31, but the function I'm using wants to pass in the addresses as a string. [00:11] troy: sorry i didn't write it :p [00:12] Don't ask me why. [00:12] SOUL_OF_R00T (~0xff00@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:12] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [00:12] gniks: I know that... or well, I assumed that :) [00:13] KyNDeR (~kynder@186.205.15.228) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:13] Redb3ard: so you have '31' and you want 31? [00:14] I have 31, and I want the byte whose value is 31. Forget what character that is. Some control one. [00:14] Redb3ard: http://pastebin.com/TYNqfkuf give that a gander [00:14] I mean, if I have an unsigned single byte int, I suppose I can cast it to a char or something. [00:14] But that seems ugly, even to me. [00:14] Thanks gniks. [00:15] except str in iota should be character :p [00:15] might be some interesting casting things going on there too, but that should get you on the right path [00:15] The company I work for just went into layoff mode... sales were less than expected. So instead of paying someone $4000 to just write drivers for this damned weird thing, I get to try to do it myself. [00:15] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:15] ick [00:15] If I had to actually do it in the kernel, I think I'd just give up. [00:15] what you writing drivers for? [00:16] Libusb + the library for that serial chip, I might actually have a chance. [00:16] usb->serial adapter? [00:16] http://www.semtech.com/images/datasheet/sx1211ska_v1_std.pdf [00:16] Redb3ard: well, drivers end up becoming kernel mods :p well depending on what you really need to do, you can write control programs in userspace too [00:16] It's a data radio. [00:17] Just the transceiver chip, and an FTDI serial<->usb converter chip. [00:17] Meant as part of a dev kit... they have some shitty C#.net windows software that you can use them with. [00:17] might get things done faster and more stably if they just hired someone :p [00:17] lol install mono and see if it runs [00:18] or wine :P [00:18] Probably would, but I'm lucky I still have a job, and yet I need this working. [00:18] I need something command line, that's scriptable. [00:18] Wine wouldn't get me much. [00:18] robotghost (~robotghos@75-137-69-192.dhcp.mtgm.al.charter.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:19] mono with minor mods to the code (if they give the code) might actually be a good start [00:19] ridout (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:19] or at least look at the code to get the idea for how they actually are controlling the device [00:19] Thought about that... do you think it would have much chance of working? [00:19] I mean, I don't see it making use of any DLLs or anything in there. [00:19] i haven't used many C# programs on linux, but from the devs at work they say most things that are C# run in mono with modifications [00:19] I do have the source code, you have no idea how many weeks I had to pester Semtech. [00:19] Didn't even have to sign an NDA. [00:19] oh wow [00:20] Thought I was mostly just getting it as a reference. [00:20] im surprised they gave it to ya [00:20] Well, they sort of fucked us over, they owed it to us. [00:20] ah [00:20] well, get it running for them, and get a job there :) [00:20] well thats good ya got it [00:20] Their reference frequency hopping code does not work. [00:20] then you don't have to worry about layoffs anymore :P [00:20] After months of delays trying to get it to work ourselves, we asked them if anyone ever had gotten freq hopping to work. [00:20] Redb3ard: sounds like they suck at math [00:20] They fessed up a "no". [00:21] Though for 2 years they've been claiming it did that in press releases. [00:21] The radio chip's buggy. [00:21] haha, well at least ya got that out of them [00:21] Yeh, but when the damn thing has to be cranked down to 1mW... we're getting a quarter of the distance we were hoping for. [00:21] That didn't help sales either. [00:21] power is a pain [00:22] should see if Cisco's wireless engineers would work with ya :p [00:23] Action: troy doesn't use communications equipment - just ultra-wideband radio transmitters that interfere with it :) [00:23] We're not important enough. And they're mostly worried about networking stuff. [00:23] You could always go SDR. [00:23] This is more telemetry style. [00:23] Redb3ard: regardless, ya gotta generate a radio signal eventually :p [00:23] but not being big enough may be an issue [00:23] Action: CathyInBlue drops a garage door opener and a cordless phone into troy's bathtub with him. [00:24] We're actually thinking of going with Xbee radios. They do all the fancy stuff, no need to twiddle bits on our end. [00:24] they have nix drivers already too? [00:24] They look like a plain serial port, and if we switch our products over to embedded linux, there's even a USB version. [00:24] nice [00:24] CathyInBlue: what! I do radar :) [00:24] I've already used one... wrote up a perl script to read incoming packets, and do our thing with them. [00:25] eww perl :p [00:25] Heh. It works. [00:25] python is faster, hehe [00:25] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:25] Python is the trendy scripting langauge. [00:25] gniks: depends on what you're doing [00:25] yes it does& but generally it is [00:25] CathyInBlue: been trendy for 15 years now? :P [00:26] i use python extensively [00:26] There's a product blurb in the latest Circuit Cellar for these: http://ftdichip.com/Products/Cables/USBTTLSerial.htm [00:26] Looks nice if you have a legacy TTL serial device and want to plug it into a modern computer. [00:28] Yeh. [00:28] Wonder how cheap those are. [00:28] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:28] Less than $20. Wow. [00:31] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-127-17-34.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Be excellent to each other. [00:33] artvdroid (~androirc@220.sub-174-222-4.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Bye [00:34] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.59.76.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:35] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-3-74.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:42] Kirari-chan (~tsukishim@92.21.153.51) left irc: [00:47] Oak (~silas@119.154.129.6) joined ##slackware. [00:47] Oak (~silas@119.154.129.6) left irc: Changing host [00:47] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [00:47] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Client Quit [00:47] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [00:50] Anyway, thanks gniks, good night guys. [00:50] no prob, hope that helped [00:50] Yeh. I'm actually able to write registers, and read them back now... [00:50] I'm on the right track. [00:51] awesome :) [00:52] how do i install knetworkmanager? [00:52] i got slackware installed, now i just gotta learn how to use it [00:53] oscurochu: first, try installing wicd, it's easier to set up on slack :) [00:53] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) left irc: Quit: Redb3ard [00:53] i dont like wicd, though [00:53] oscurochu: knetworkmanager depends on networkmanager, which slackware doesn't ship by default... [00:53] oooh [00:53] so wicd is the only way to go or what [00:54] networkmanager is on SBo [00:54] http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=networkmanager&sv=13.1 [00:54] i like how networkmanager can manage ethernet, wireless, mobile broadband, etc. [00:54] so how do I do this then? there is no way to automatically fetch it from the internet like in most distros? [00:55] nope [00:55] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [00:55] download the build script, the source code, and build it by running the build script [00:55] so how do you update your system? with a CD/DVD? [00:55] there are things like slackpkg [00:55] but usually a CD/DVD [00:56] or, use wicd which probably does all you need [00:57] or just manage your net devices like normal people and configure the rc.inet1.conf and rc.wireless.conf files [00:57] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [00:58] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [01:02] Action: troy has contemplating making a slackware repo full of things that pat doesn't like.. like pam and networkmanager :) [01:02] pam may be coming actually at some point :p [01:02] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [01:03] I occasionally get LSB-compatible binaries - which, according to ldd, need pam [01:03] annoyingly enough [01:03] and I'd like my fingerprint reader to work [01:03] bea (~nesquik@78-60-41-156.static.zebra.lt) joined ##slackware. [01:03] i have a PAM package awaiting SBo approval [01:04] http://slackbuild.org/temp/Linux-PAM.tar.gz if you want it [01:04] Strashniq (Strashniq@vlan-156-sliven-8.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [01:04] gniks: thanks :) I have one already here :) [01:04] lol ok [01:04] good morming i need some help [01:05] i have installed only 1 CD of slackware 13.1 but i`m newbiee in Linux and i was wondering how to install the rest [01:05] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:05] can i download them somehow ? [01:05] you wuill need the second CD [01:05] www.slackware.com has mirrors [01:05] i have it [01:06] how to start it run ? [01:06] i`m bad in linux commands [01:06] you need to use installpkg to install the rest of the packages [01:06] and i have no window manager [01:06] is there any apt-get thing ? [01:06] just to finish the proccess for me ? [01:06] there is slapt-get but you should learn the slack way of doing it first [01:06] and its not part of the distro [01:06] in /slackware//*.txz [01:07] slapt-get didn`t start from "/" [01:07] is where the pacakges are [01:07] Strashniq: slapt-get isn't part of the distro [01:07] ah i see [01:07] its an add on program you have to download from the net [01:07] pkgtools is what slackware users use [01:07] so how to find the CD and to install the second disk from it ? [01:07] is slapt-get even kept up to date? [01:07] installpkg package-name.txz [01:07] troy: i don't know, i use slackpkg [01:08] anyone using icetea or apache harmony? [01:08] Strashniq: /topic, slackbook [01:08] ok [01:08] so how to find the second CD i have put in my CDROM ? [01:08] mount it [01:09] how ? [01:09] with the mount command [01:09] i `m new in linux [01:09] ah [01:09] read the slack book first ;) [01:09] where is that ? [01:09] is it free? [01:09] http://slackbook.org [01:09] yes [01:09] beyond that, google is your friend :) [01:09] Action: troy notes that slackware is not the friendliest distro for new users these days :) [01:10] and we can help with the really confusing stuff [01:10] so i guess i can burn all CDs 1 by 1 in windows and then to install them in the linux? [01:10] Strashniq: or just get the dvd and burn that [01:10] Strashniq: if you had disk 1 and 2, the installer would ask you for both [01:10] troy, it's a hell of a lot friendlier than it was 13 years ago [01:10] in fact, the installer needs both to finish a full install [01:10] it asked ,but i have only 1 CD-RW [01:10] ubuntu is the most friendly linux distro for linux newbies, it just works, everything (typically). once you get how to use that, then try slackware. [01:10] give it 3-12 months [01:10] pff, ubuntu is not friendly [01:10] ever try upgrading it? :p [01:11] jewbacca: true - I don't even have an xorg.conf.... [01:11] ubuntu -not working on my mashine [01:11] gniks, heh...been there, screwed that [01:11] haha [01:11] me and all my other friends too [01:11] in the trash it went [01:11] gniks - now i have the second CD- how to finish the instyallation ? [01:11] never had a problem with ubuntu. [01:11] troy, same here [01:11] Strashniq: read the slack book [01:11] i think gentoo is newbie friendly. [01:11] troy, 13 years ago, you didn't *have* xorg [01:12] gentoo is an elitists game [01:12] jewbacca: granted, it was xfree86.conf [01:12] troy, it was XFree86 still [01:13] 13 years ago I was fighting to get my intel i740 video card to work in X using their proprietary drivers :P [01:13] troy, 13 years ago, i was using an oak tech isa video card [01:14] oak tech lol [01:14] it even sounds old [01:14] EvanR, it only supported 8 bit color [01:14] i_is_cat (~i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:14] 13 years ago i was trying to figure out which facial expression would best let my mom know i didn't like Gerber's apple flavor [01:14] lol [01:15] mancha: which distro did you use for that? :P [01:15] oh man, that apple stuff is real good! [01:15] troy, it had to be slack [01:15] so slackware is the closed distribution to the old linux ? [01:16] Strashniq: it's the oldest surviving distro [01:16] Strashniq, slackware is the oldest surviving linux distro [01:16] Huh? what does "closed distribution to the old linux" mean? [01:16] I think they mean "closest" [01:16] rob0, s/closed/closest/ [01:16] rob0: assume s/closed/closest [01:16] errr [01:16] closest [01:16] mistype [01:16] troy, we need to stop saying the same thing...at the same fsck'n time [01:17] jewbacca: screw you! (did it work?) [01:17] troy, that it did [01:17] Action: Motoko-chan hands jewbacca some metal screws [01:17] Perhaps one of the closest Linux flavors to Unix, but of course we're all GNU. [01:17] Action: jewbacca whips out the screwdriver [01:18] Action: jewbacca re-mounts that arm chip [01:18] i need some help [01:18] in the book is said the slackware is in 4 disks- in the website it was 6 [01:19] Strashniq, three of the disks are source code [01:19] and in the book -the first one is enough to have window manager [01:19] i don`t have any [01:19] Zosma (jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:19] or at least i don`t know how to start it [01:19] Strashniq, that data is dated [01:19] also note the book's not been updated in many years, some things are not accurate any longer. [01:19] so which CD has the window manager [01:19] Strashniq, run ifconfig and tell me if you have network [01:19] 2 [01:19] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [01:20] i set up my pppoe [01:20] via pppoe-setup [01:20] and after pppoe-start i could ping google [01:20] so yes i have internet [01:20] Strashniq, ok, then you can use slackpkg to install other packages [01:20] what exactly should i type ? [01:21] Strashniq, or you can use ncftp to download the slackware/ package sets and install everything, if you like [01:21] which is easier? [01:21] Strashniq, i'd personally say ncftp, then installpkg */*txz [01:21] jewbacca , it will be a lot easier if you just tell me a command that will download the rest [01:22] just ncftp [01:22] no other options ? [01:22] "ncftp" [01:22] and from the prompt, open ftp.slackware.com [01:22] ilj (~ilj@195.88.15.2) joined ##slackware. [01:22] ilj (~ilj@195.88.15.2) left irc: Changing host [01:22] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:22] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:22] how to open ftp.slackware.com when i have only terminal ? [01:22] Strashniq, that's the command [01:23] öpen ftp.slackware.com "? [01:23] akmalhamdani (~giantpand@114.123.11.84) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:23] someone please walk him further, or give him an alternate...i'm joining wife in bed so i can be woken when she's ready to assist me back into my wheelchair [01:24] in gentoo, i used rc-update to enable/disable daemons, how do i do this in slack? [01:24] iow, i could walk you through this, but i would be screwed in the morning [01:24] jewbacca: does your chair have an xorg.conf? :P [01:24] troy, my chair doesn't even have an electric motor [01:24] bah! how is it supposed to run linux then [01:25] troy, it doesn't [01:25] jewbacca: you should trade it for one of the space shuttles, I hear they're retiring them, and you don't really need a chair if you're in zero-g :P [01:25] oscurochu, look inside your /etc/rc.d [01:25] jewbacca: plus, then you can install linux on it :P [01:25] troy, yeah, but i can't afford to fuel it up [01:25] jewbacca: d'oh! :) [01:26] jewbacca, how do i have them start automatically? [01:26] troy, when you're talking hundreds of tons of kerosene, + more of the same in liquid hydrogen... [01:26] oscurochu, chmod +x [01:27] troy, not to mention the 30 g liftoff [01:27] thats all i do to make them start automatically on bootup is make them executable? [01:27] that seems too simple... [01:27] troy, you want me paralyzed, no? [01:27] jewbacca: well, the soyuz then - it's cheaper and easier :) [01:27] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [01:27] ok after i connect to the slackware com via the ncftp - what should i search for ? [01:28] pub/slackware [01:28] jewbacca ? [01:28] Strashniq, if you want a nice menu interface, maybe mc would be better for browsing ftp [01:29] i got only 1 cd installed [01:29] only terminal is opened [01:29] its like dos [01:29] _herbz (kat@tokes.nl) joined ##slackware. [01:29] you see [01:29] Strashniq, iirc, mc is on cd1 [01:29] and after it has been installed how to start it [01:29] Strashniq, it's a console program [01:30] so i can start irc from the linux ? [01:30] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:30] Strashniq, if irssi is on there [01:30] Strashniq: if you have network, you can use 'irssi' [01:30] anyone remember BitchX? [01:30] i got internet [01:30] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:30] i just want to be able to navigate as in windows until i learn more [01:30] troy, yeah, know why it isn't part of default install anymore? [01:30] jewbacca: nope [01:31] troy, security issues [01:31] johndee (~id@95-29-144-219.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [01:31] so is there anything on 1 CD that will let me browse the linux as it is windows? [01:31] Strashniq: not really, no [01:31] so [01:31] i get ncftp [01:31] then installpkg [01:32] then what ? [01:32] it installs ? [01:32] Strashniq: personally, I'd just have downloaded the install dvd instead of the cds, then it's all on one disk and it all works [01:32] my screen resolution is too low, how do i fix this? i have an nvidia card, and i dont think the drivers are installed for it. [01:32] my laptop has dead DVD [01:32] oscurochu, no, they aren't [01:32] ncftp (or mc) to download the remaining packages that you're missing [01:32] Strashniq: ah [01:32] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:32] and sadly i got 1 CD-RW last night [01:32] Strashniq: then, once the packages are downloaded, use installpkg on them all [01:33] "on them all" [01:33] jewbacca: how do i get the drivers? [01:33] Strashniq: and lastly, run the command 'startx' to get into graphical mode [01:33] how to do that ? [01:33] startx not working [01:33] or it should be done after this ? [01:33] just so you guys know... [01:33] Nick change: jewbacca -> nyRednek [01:33] Strashniq: right, startx will work once the remaining packages are installed [01:33] ok [01:33] wish me luck [01:34] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:36] herbz (kat@tokes.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:36] alphageek (rooot@69-165-138-51.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:36] MLanden: granted it took me almost a month to have a working X when I installed linux for the first time :P [01:36] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [01:38] troy: me as well....good bit of couple weeks with freebsd3 and slackware7 with an old s3 [01:38] troy, yeah, and 6 months later, you were apologizing for the n00b-ness on alt.os.linux.slackware [01:38] nyRednek: well, not quite - but I think I've been in #kde for about that long :P [01:39] troy, well, i was [01:40] john_dee (~id@95-29-144-219.broadband.corbina.ru) got lost in the net-split. [01:40] troy, i started using slack sometime around 96-97 [01:40] troy, with a 486 that i bought for $50 off an arab [01:41] nyRednek: would be about the same time, although I think I was a little late to join the slackware party [01:41] nyRednek: probably only tried slack in 98 [01:41] nyRednek: which 486? [01:42] MLanden, it was a dx2, 66mhz [01:42] MLanden, it started with 8mb of ram, i boosted it to 20mb [01:43] MLanden, which was all the board supported [01:43] I ran a BBS on a system like that :) [01:43] troy, i dual-booted slack and caldera open dos [01:43] troy, with the cp/m as a second boot on the dos partition [01:43] Nick change: betageek -> alphageek [01:44] troy, i still remembering having to dial tel aviv to get to the internet [01:44] nyRednek: I mostly used OS/2 at the time - most BBS software ran nicely on it :) [01:45] hobbes...;) [01:45] troy, oh, i was unwilling to install proprietary software on it for one reason...both ibm and microsoft were charging us 3x what they were charging americans for their operating systems [01:45] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-141-202.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:45] ah :) [01:46] troy, i still remember rpm2tgz'ing ivrix rpm's to get hebrew character support [01:46] jayne (maddhatt@freenode/staff/jayne) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:46] Strashniq (Strashniq@vlan-186-sliven-7.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [01:46] jayne (maddhatt@freenode/staff/jayne) joined ##slackware. [01:47] ok , ncftp result-> "Limit reached,Sleeping 19 sec" [01:47] i managed to mount the cd [01:47] how to install the packages from CD2 ? [01:47] any ideas ? [01:47] mounted the cd image of cd2? [01:48] installpkg /path/to/package.txz [01:48] that path to package is the problem [01:48] Strashniq, where did you mount the cd? [01:48] an you c do stuff like installpkg /path/to/*/*.txz [01:48] Strashniq: where did you mount the cd? [01:48] troy, damnit [01:48] "mount /dev/cdrom0 /mnt/cdrom" [01:48] then "cd /mnt/cdrom" [01:48] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-141-202.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [01:48] after that ? [01:49] Strashniq, "installpkg /mnt/cdrom/slackware/*/*.txz [01:49] ok [01:49] then wait :) and wait :) [01:49] i just adjusted my screen resolution and now my kde taskbar is too small [01:49] hmm [01:49] and then run startx :) [01:49] how do i fix this? [01:49] (new to kde as well) [01:49] oscurochu: hit the funny looking button on the far right of the taskbar [01:49] Action: nyRednek rolls eyes and rolls away...later guys [01:49] ok wish me good luck [01:50] Strashniq (Strashniq@vlan-186-sliven-7.comnet.bg) left irc: Client Quit [01:50] oscurochu: then you should get some options to resize the thing similar to adjusting margins in a word processor [01:50] troy: thank you [01:52] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [01:53] how do i install kuser? its in the menu, but it says the command is not found [01:53] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D5FEB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [01:54] oscurochu: needs to be run as root, iirc [01:54] oscurochu: try running 'kdesu kuser' [01:54] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:54] i am root [01:54] ah, weird then [01:54] oscurochu: wait, are you logged into KDE as root? [01:55] yeah until i can make a new account with kuser. [01:56] oscurochu, never *never* do that...go back to console... [01:56] oscurochu: go to a console [01:56] adduser has never been so simple... i'd never expect such simplicity from slackware. [01:56] oscurochu, there's a handy tool, adduser [01:56] oscurochu: run 'adduser' [01:56] i already did that, like *just* now [01:57] troy, cool for a few minutes of /msg before i really *do* have to go to bed? [01:58] how do i change my default editor to nano, so i can edit my sudoers file? [02:02] Strashniq (Strashniq@vlan-156-sliven-62.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [02:02] hello again [02:02] i mount the cdrom [02:02] but it says -mounted read-only [02:03] did you wanna write to the cd? [02:03] no [02:03] i want to install second cs [02:03] CD [02:03] but it says [02:03] target blablabla is not a directory [02:04] i use "install /mnt/cdrom/slackware/*/*.txz" [02:04] "install" ? [02:04] installpkg, not install [02:05] ok [02:05] so let me try again [02:05] iactually i typed install pkg [02:05] so i guess i used installpkg [02:05] no, install pkg is not the same as installpkg [02:06] so there is a difference [02:06] ? [02:06] Strashniq, yeah [02:06] so which one to use [02:06] install pkg or installpkg ? [02:06] installpkg [02:06] ok [02:06] let me try [02:06] will come back later [02:06] Strashniq (Strashniq@vlan-156-sliven-62.comnet.bg) left irc: Client Quit [02:07] why cant i run slackpkg with sudo? [02:08] oscurochu, iirc, slackpkg is in /usr/sbin [02:09] nyRecnek: so how to i run it with sudo without typing the full path? and kopete wont open because libkabc.so.4 isnt not found, how do i get that? [02:09] nyRednek, how's it hanging? [02:11] troy_ (~troy@dsl-67-204-11-192.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. [02:12] troy (~troy@dsl-67-55-21-2.acanac.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:13] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:15] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [02:17] isn't libkabc.so.4 in kdelibs? [02:18] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:22] ki2azyone, in a *lot* of pain [02:23] damn [02:24] oscurochu, sounds like you got a screwed kde install [02:24] oscurochu, maybe reinstall all of kde/* ? [02:25] just took my drugs...if i don't go to bed now, i'm not going to be able to make it there [02:25] ki2azyone, talk to you later, bro [02:25] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [02:26] k later [02:26] alisonken1lap, this character Strashniq will be back in here momentarily...and he needs a *lot* of help...total n00b, but looks like he's genuine [02:27] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [02:29] hmm nope libkabc is in kdepimlibs [02:30] he should of just switched cds when slack asked him to [02:31] ki2azyone, he says he only had one cdr... [02:31] ki2azyone, which means switching cd's wasn't an option [02:31] ah [02:32] i had a problem with installing mine too [02:32] it would only boot off my cd :( [02:33] rest of the cd was scratched somehow. [02:33] ki2azyone, that can be a pain [02:33] ki2azyone, anyways, night [02:33] night nyRednek [02:34] not really mount worked well with the iso [02:34] and night [02:35] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:38] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:38] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:38] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-235.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:39] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) joined ##slackware. [02:40] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:40] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [02:43] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:43] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:44] bea (~nesquik@78-60-41-156.static.zebra.lt) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:45] RNDUSER4368 (~ircap@0.Red-88-7-158.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [02:47] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D5FEB.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:47] nyRednek: I'll see what I can do, but I'm kinda busy tonight - got 36 new machines to unbox [02:47] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D5409.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:48] alisonken1lap, i'll help where i can. [02:49] Strashniq (Strashniq@vlan-186-sliven-214.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [02:49] ok Slackware CD2 has been installed [02:49] startx started [02:49] i got flickering screen [02:49] what can i do ? [02:50] i don`t see anything but i need to have a window manager [02:50] Strashniq, try startkde [02:50] ok [02:51] if it doesn`t work [02:51] ? [02:51] how can i find my VGA type ? [02:51] i know its SIS [02:51] but what number [02:51] hmm that would be a good question for someone else. [02:52] i know very little about this myself [02:52] ok [02:52] letme startkde [02:53] can i open mozila [02:53] without having KDE or x stated? [02:53] nope [02:53] no....x needs to be running [02:53] is there any way to start irc program without kde or x [02:53] i guess "no" [02:54] yes...just a sec let me find it [02:54] ok [02:54] Strashniq: you can try irssi [02:54] how to start it? [02:54] yeah thats what i was looking for [02:54] "irssi server" [02:55] ok [02:55] Strashniq: just type irssi [02:55] then i can connect with you and search more assistance without booting the win7 [02:55] Strashniq: familiar with setting up irc? [02:56] not exactly [02:56] if its like in windows- i think i can set it up [02:57] if i find driver for my VGA i guess all will be ok ? [02:57] can i download anything using the "ncftp" from non ftp server? [02:58] Strashniq, it should detect your video drivers its self [02:58] and no [02:59] lynx can do it i think [02:59] ok [02:59] lynx [02:59] will try this [02:59] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [02:59] Strashniq (Strashniq@vlan-186-sliven-214.comnet.bg) left irc: [03:00] i really don't know why i idle here. i know nothing about linux [03:01] no harm in learning [03:01] nope. [03:02] well from what i see it does aid in programming alittle [03:02] true [03:03] glibc gives me a nice little core dump [03:03] lol [03:03] ki2azyone: from a bad compile? [03:04] bad code [03:04] telling me i screwed up my linked list [03:06] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:07] Nick change: WireWulf -> Wulf-is-not-here [03:08] ahh [03:08] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [03:09] MLanden, fun to trace down too. [03:10] ki2azyone: could imagine...able to use gdb on it? [03:11] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-165.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:11] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:11] MLanden, trying that now [03:14] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.2, revision: 4740, sources date: 20100627, built on: 2010-08-08 18:29:00 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [03:15] Strashniq (~root@vlan-186-sliven-97.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [03:15] hello [03:15] can someone help me ? [03:15] hi [03:16] just ask hehe [03:16] well i use irssi cause i can`t startX [03:16] i got flickering screen [03:16] meatbun (~wafers4@cpe-98-155-139-88.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:16] so can you help me somehow [03:16] why the guy black out that line? http://www.critical.ch/src/workspace.jpg [03:16] what's private about that line? [03:16] what is 'BEAVER'? [03:17] RNDUSER4368 can you give me some advice ? [03:17] Strashniq: in terminal..try lspci -v | grep -i VGA [03:18] let me type it on my sheet of paper [03:18] meatbun, dunno meatbun, that's the root and host name [03:18] how can i leave irssi so i can check the lspci command? [03:19] Strashniq (~root@vlan-186-sliven-97.comnet.bg) left irc: Client Quit [03:19] Strashniq, which kernel version are you using? [03:19] pupit (p@unaffiliated/pupit) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [03:19] make sure it has support for your graphics card [03:20] RNDUSER4368, OK. i am checking google [03:21] MLanden, if you don't go through the setup and install x and stuff after the setup does it load a wm? if not thats his prob [03:22] MLanden, he went through the set up with the first disc but not the second one. [03:23] RNDUSER4368, he's user name is underneath --> ehaupt [03:23] so i dont think he is hiding his login [03:24] meatbun, it's a log [03:24] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-165.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [03:24] ki2azyone: true [03:25] i told him to do startkde but i doubt he tried it [03:26] he'll be back in a few [03:26] Strashniq (Strashniq@vlan-186-sliven-34.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [03:26] ok i did it [03:27] the lspci -v | grep -i VGA is answering : [03:27] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. [03:27] SIS 661/741/760 PCI AGP or 662/761 Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter [03:27] now what ? [03:27] oscurochu (~jason@cpe-72-185-223-171.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [03:27] i`m in the windows now [03:28] Strashniq, you can do alt+f2 to get another console. so you don't have to leave here. [03:28] aaaaaaaaa [03:28] i didn`t know that [03:28] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Quit: take care... [03:28] does this work without the startx [03:28] yes [03:28] oh [03:28] i log in the linux now [03:28] Strashniq (Strashniq@vlan-186-sliven-34.comnet.bg) left irc: Client Quit [03:29] lol.. if he would stay for a few minutes i might have time to get him to run xwmconfig [03:31] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-47-128.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:31] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-235.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:31] meatbun (~wafers4@cpe-98-155-139-88.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:32] ki2azyone: that sis chip's might have poor 3d support [03:33] Strashniq (~root@vlan-156-sliven-110.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [03:33] MLanden, should beable to do x. [03:33] ok i`m back [03:33] i didn`t know about this alt+F2 thing [03:33] ki2azyone: true [03:34] so how can i start my startx ? [03:34] Strashniq, try to run xwmconfig then try to run startx [03:34] what to choose ? [03:34] anyone you want [03:35] xfce , fluxbox,blackbox ... [03:35] i don`t know any- i`m tottal newbie [03:35] i use kde myself [03:35] Strashniq: try fluxbox as a test [03:35] damn [03:35] i started the first one [03:36] all good [03:36] working? [03:36] and the flickering screen shoed up [03:36] and i used ctrl+alt+ Backspase [03:36] now my screen is not situated as it should [03:36] Strashniq, you got to give it a few secs [03:36] as if i don`t have borders on my Display [03:37] what was the config command ? [03:37] xwmconfig [03:37] damn not working [03:37] i try next choice in the list [03:38] Strashniq, what is it doing? [03:38] just showing some flickering horizontal lines [03:39] and it flickers awfully [03:39] Strashniq, does it die after it does that? [03:40] i can`t read you message -use shorter messages [03:40] my display is not situated correctly like before starting the x [03:40] does it die after the it does that? [03:40] it doesn`t die [03:40] just flickers [03:40] for ever [03:41] play4 (rispin@adsl-71-135-39-207.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [03:41] and i can`t use alt+F2 thiung [03:41] ctrl+alt+f2 when x is running [03:41] ctrl+alt+f2 doesn`t work wen i t flickers [03:42] ah after i stop it - it shows lots of fails [03:42] play4 (~rispin@adsl-71-135-39-207.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:43] ok try xorgsetup [03:43] how to do this ? [03:43] give me a sec to look it up [03:43] ok [03:45] akmalhamdani (~giantpand@167.205.106.49) joined ##slackware. [03:46] if i could find anything on it [03:47] can you tell me anything about vesa mode [03:47] i think this could start it anyway [03:47] i think i used once linux with vesa mode [03:47] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:48] MLanden, you home today cause i know nothing about this [03:49] it seems that there is no x11vnc build on sbo.... is there someting else to use to share :0 screen? [03:49] ok [03:49] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D5409.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:49] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.234) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:50] what to do now ? [03:50] any ideas ? [03:50] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.234) joined ##slackware. [03:50] ok i will reboot and come again [03:50] Strashniq (~root@vlan-156-sliven-110.comnet.bg) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:50] Nick change: akmalhamdani -> akmal [03:53] people keep talking about using x0vncserver (part of the vncserver package) but i cannot find it in slackware (or on sbo) [03:53] Strashniq (Strashniq@vlan-157-sliven-109.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [03:54] damn i `m back in win [03:54] now i don`t know what t do [03:54] is there any safe graphics mode in this x server? [03:54] how can i launch it [03:55] lamah (~ghost@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [03:55] how can i patch i have the patch i need to put patch in dor and then patch -p0 < file.patch ? [03:57] lamah, what you want to patch? [03:57] Ansa89: patch -p0 < file.patch ? [03:58] Ansa89: i know this old method but, nop [03:58] Ansa89: wireless [03:58] vinic_ (~konversat@p5B3D5409.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:59] so....you download the pacth, then you enter into the dir where there is the source to patch [03:59] archcezar (1000@acvy168.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [03:59] then patch -p0 -i /path/to/file.patch [03:59] a -i [03:59] ah [03:59] yes [03:59] maybe the "-p0" is wrong....try also "-p1" [04:00] yes yes i forgot that patch... [04:01] Ansa89: thank s :))))))))))) [04:01] you're welcome [04:01] hello [04:01] can you tell me [04:02] slackware what Xfree86 or Xorg has ? 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[04:23] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [04:23] RNDUSER4368: how [04:23] to remout it [04:23] mount --help [04:23] I don't have your system handy, you should give me some info [04:24] what's that partition used for? [04:24] as I can see you have at least 3 different partitions [04:25] otherwise you should remount it your self, hehe. [04:25] would anyone happen to know how to get midi files playing on 13.1 (64-bit)? Have had trouble in the past and ended up using some synthesizer. any tips? Have googled around, but finding really old threads [04:25] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:25] ckuttruff: tried timidity? [04:25] grazymax (~grazymax@87.13.234.61) joined ##slackware. [04:26] MLanden: have not... will check it out. thanks [04:26] ckuttruff: np [04:27] lamah, to remount: mount -o remount,**ADD_OPTIONS** / [04:28] Sappys (~Sappy@84.237.184.173) joined ##slackware. [04:28] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:29] Ansa89: what options Ansa89 [04:29] i don't know.....depends on your chois [04:30] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [04:30] Ansa89: ro? [04:30] Ansa89: rw? [04:30] Ansa89: i think ro will beok [04:31] no....it will lead to a read only "/" [04:31] mount -o remount,rw / [04:31] i have no warnings [04:31] that's normal [04:33] i will reboot [04:33] lamah (~ghost@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: lPt [04:33] do it properly! [04:35] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [04:36] speller (~sheller@122.6.120.75) joined ##slackware. [04:39] MLanden: brilliance... worked perfectly. thanks. you have any suggestions about instrument patches? just went with freepats [04:40] ckuttruff: I just went with freepats..you should be good to go...;) [04:41] Morn [04:44] RNDUSER4368 (~ircap@0.Red-88-7-158.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:44] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-72-82-81-30.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Later,folks! [04:46] \o/ [04:48] anyone with an account on bugzilla.redhat.com? could you fetch me https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=432450 ? (kernel patch) [04:48] bnguyen (~bnguyen@58.187.116.178) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:50] lamah (~ghost@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [04:50] re [04:50] i have again [04:50] Remounting root device with read-write enabled. [04:50] EXT4-fs (sdb3): re-mounted. Opts: (null) [04:51] lamah: do you have an account on bugzilla.redhat.com? =) [04:51] RNDUSER43688 (~ircap@83.33.244.100) joined ##slackware. [04:51] adrien: no adrien sorry :) [04:51] adrien: only in FAS [04:51] bnguyen (~bnguyen@58.187.104.75) joined ##slackware. [04:51] lamah, you didn't have to reboot anyway [04:51] ='( [04:51] RNDUSER43688: i know [04:52] lamah: _exactly_ where are you seeing those 2 lines of text? [04:52] alphageek: on system boot [04:53] alphageek: i have opts: null [04:53] not what I asked. where, not when [04:53] console? /var/log/dmesg? [04:53] alphageek: yes yes [04:53] alphageek: EXT4-fs (sdb3): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) [04:53] dmesg [04:53] before Freeing unused kernel memory: 472k freed [04:53] ashe (~ashe@125.166.181.221) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:53] and udev udev: starting version 153 [04:54] RNDUSER4368 (~ircap@99.Red-88-26-71.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [04:54] and... [04:54] sd 8:0:0:3: [sdf] Attached SCSI removable disk [04:54] EXT4-fs (sdb3): re-mounted. Opts: (null) [04:54] tune2fs -l /dev/sdb3 | grep options [04:54] ^ paste the 1 line result of that command [04:54] Default mount options: (none) [04:55] ashe (~ashe@110.136.138.101) joined ##slackware. [04:55] looks harmless enough, then [04:56] RNDUSER43688 (~ircap@83.33.244.100) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:56] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.234) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:56] alphageek: i have that issue, after compiling wireless-compat and rebuild of initrd... [04:57] alphageek: ops.. compat-wireless [04:57] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [04:57] alphageek: and after running of lsb -i -s [04:58] ok, I'm obviously missing something. what does wireless have to do with how your filesystems are mounting? [04:58] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:58] alphageek: just nothing [04:59] is there any package to install lightweight LXDE instead of X-Window? [04:59] i want to use lxde/icewm instead of x-window/icewm [04:59] for older machines [05:00] [05:00] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [05:01] *blink* [05:01] eldragon: can't get there from here [05:01] instead? [05:01] and errr [05:01] Action: adrien blinks too [05:02] X is the graphical base on which a desktop environment (if you use one, like LXDE) sits. on top of _those_ sits a window manager (ie: IceWM) [05:02] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:02] maybe i need CONFIG_DEVTMPFS [05:02] and CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT [05:03] you need X. technically speaking, a DE & WM are optional [05:03] but i have it [05:03] Action: alphageek is using X + blackbox.. aka: X & WM (no DE) [05:04] X + openbox here, X + lxde on another computer [05:05] well, without a WM, things might be a bit annoying to use ;-) [05:05] :) [05:05] WildWizard (~michael@ppp118-208-17-166.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. 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[05:36] That trick worked in 13.0 [05:37] XkbLayout in xorg.conf [05:38] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:38] So were back to xorg.conf then? [05:38] anyone tried netbeans from slackbuild? [05:38] lamah (~ghost@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [05:39] the latest one is giving me a error in the startup script [05:39] or add the right key value in your keymap.fdi file [05:39] Yeah... that should work [05:39] Im on dvorak right now let me have a look [05:40] input.xkb.layout [05:40] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) joined ##slackware. [05:41] akmal (~giantpand@167.205.106.49) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:41] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-72-82-81-30.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:41] I modded this file: /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymap.fdi [05:42] thats a good place to get the skeleton [05:42] put it here /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi [05:42] Buggaboo: you should copy it to /etc, but the same effect should work [05:42] you need /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi [05:42] im looking into it here, hold on [05:42] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) got netsplit. [05:42] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) got netsplit. [05:42] coredumb (~coredumb@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) got netsplit. [05:42] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) got netsplit. [05:42] KaMii (~nebulae@unaffiliated/kamii) got netsplit. [05:42] pireau (1000@208.92.18.100) got netsplit. [05:42] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) got netsplit. [05:42] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) got netsplit. [05:42] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@75.42.68.163) got netsplit. [05:42] signal11 (esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) got netsplit. [05:42] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) got netsplit. [05:42] raela (1000@unaffiliated/raela) got netsplit. [05:42] Zordrak, yeah that's what I did. [05:42] so cp it over, edit to put the right values, restart X, and thanks me. [05:42] dvorak [05:42] [05:43] re [05:43] failed [05:43] us(dvorak) failed [05:43] i have changed symlink to linux [05:43] but again i have EXT4-fs (sdb3): re-mounted. Opts: (null) [05:43] Just as I thought [05:44] Buggaboo: change it, then either restart the machine, or restart hald and messagebus. THEN it will take effect [05:44] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) returned to ##slackware. [05:44] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) returned to ##slackware. [05:44] coredumb (~coredumb@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) returned to ##slackware. [05:44] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) returned to ##slackware. [05:44] KaMii (~nebulae@unaffiliated/kamii) returned to ##slackware. [05:44] pireau (1000@208.92.18.100) returned to ##slackware. [05:44] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) returned to ##slackware. [05:44] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) returned to ##slackware. [05:44] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@75.42.68.163) returned to ##slackware. [05:44] signal11 (esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) returned to ##slackware. [05:44] chipster (~chipster@unaffiliated/chipster) returned to ##slackware. [05:44] raela (1000@unaffiliated/raela) returned to ##slackware. [05:44] find /etc/X11/ -exec egrep -nH '[Dd]vorak' {} \; [05:44] is the file /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi ? are you sure you don't have an /etx/X11/xorg.conf ? [05:44] gives me all references to dvorak [05:44] but, I dont use dvorak layout, i use gb layout and dvorak variant.. although i think i might have created it myself [05:45] mancha, I don't have it, I could, but I have to copy that xorg.conf-vesa, while hal already has a good setup for me. [05:45] fAu (~fAu@78.134.6.96) joined ##slackware. [05:45] Buggaboo: /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus restart; /etc/rc.d/rc.hald restart; killall X [05:45] Zordrak, I just go to init 1 [05:45] and return to init 4 [05:46] i dont know if that will do a full mb and hald restart or not [05:46] but what i just said work-s [05:46] im on a dvorak setup right now and i just tested it [05:46] sorry, I missed how you set it up. [05:46] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:47] ..? [05:47] Zordrak, oh, my fault, you didn't mention how you set it up. [05:48] how i set what up? [05:48] dvorak [05:48] 10:41:22 < Zordrak> but, I dont use dvorak layout, i use gb layout and dvorak variant.. although i think i might have created it myself [05:48] yes, did you do it with xorg.conf? or hal? [05:49] xorg.conf requires some stuff in the ServerLayout [05:49] hal [05:49] 10:38:41 < Buggaboo> put it here /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi [05:49] 10:38:52 < Zordrak> Buggaboo: you should copy it to /etc, but the same effect should work [05:49] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [05:49] Zordrak, I should rephrase, I did copy the template (it would be foolish to muck with a working copy). [05:50] Thats the right file and the right modifications... just after youve modified it it wont take effect until you reboot or restart messagebus and hal and X [05:50] I rebooted 4 times since. [05:50] then you havnt modified it right [05:50] maybe only the gb version works. [05:50] >.< [05:50] I *made* the GB version [05:51] find /etc/X11/ -exec egrep -nH '[Dd]vorak' {} \; # gives me all the interesting references. [05:51] Zordrak, thank for helping. Please stop. [05:51] doesnt tell you anything useful [05:51] +s [05:51] If it doesnt work, you arent putting the right info in the right place in the right file [05:52] how about pastebinning your xorg log then [05:52] Test it my using something simple. If you normally use a US keyboard, then change sayout from us to gb and see if Shift+2 gives you @ or " [05:52] but again i have EXT4-fs (sdb3): re-mounted. Opts: (null) [05:52] how can i fix that [05:52] ? [05:52] in other words, pics or it didn't happen [05:54] actually that's a great idea, sniffing around xorg.0.log [05:54] lemme check. [05:54] *sigh* [05:55] Zordrak, I'm a bit slow this morning. Sorry. [05:55] grep "Option \"xkb" Xorg.0.log [05:55] sunuva... wtf... (**) Option "xkb_layout" "us" [05:55] okay going to init 1 brb [05:56] Buggaboo: I swear to god. [05:56] Buggaboo: Stop init 1ing [05:56] thats NOT a reboot [05:56] its NOT necessarily going to restart the right services [05:56] okayokayokay... I'll kill dbus et al. [05:56] not dbus [05:56] o and hal. [05:56] listen to me VERY carefully [05:56] VERY [05:57] I feel that you are quite frustrated with me. [05:57] run: /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus restart [05:57] from init 4? [05:57] then do it again until it looks like it worked properly [05:57] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [05:57] Action: adrien hands Zordrak a cookie [05:57] ie with a message that says stopping and then another that says starting [05:57] maybe do it 3 times [05:57] okay 3 times, like I have OCD. [05:57] once you havedone that, do a restart of hald just once with /etc/rc.d/rc.hald restart [05:58] lamah (~ghost@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: lPt [05:58] THEN [05:58] as root run: killall X [05:58] Action: Buggaboo scribbles instructions down [05:58] ki2azyone (~krazy@99.189.54.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [05:58] you shoulrd automagically be dropped on the kdm screen [05:58] at that point you will have the keyboard layout assigned to you by hal [05:58] if you dont then it means one of two things: [05:59] 1. You didnt put the right info in the right file in the right place [05:59] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Disconnected by services [05:59] or 2. You have an xorg.conf overriding hal [05:59] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [06:00] chendy (~chendy@204.152.211.137) joined ##slackware. [06:01] http://pastebin.com/JXdein2r [06:01] I don't use xorg.conf [06:01] Nick change: Amsoz -> Zosma [06:01] meaning I don't have one in /etc/X11/ [06:02] Action: Buggaboo rechecks [06:02] nope I don't. [06:02] I should blow away all that outcommented xml crap. [06:02] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [06:03] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@sc-106.r-213-125-7.schoolconnect.nu) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:03] yes [06:03] thatwould help [06:03] ive just tested the dvorak layout. It works [06:04] zordrak layout? [06:04] yes, layout. [06:05] I use a variant of GB i created.. but he's using a layout instead [06:05] ive just tested it, its there and works [06:06] was a joke =P [06:06] orite [06:06] s/dvorak/zordrak =P [06:06] ahh ok :) [06:07] its early.. and i've time to kill =P [06:07] TBH im done here.. i have printer consumables to replace and ive given Buggaboo everything short of a lobotomy to help [06:07] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:08] lamah (~ghost@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [06:10] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [06:10] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:11] ki2azyone (~krazy@99.189.54.36) joined ##slackware. [06:14] lamah (~ghost@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: lPt [06:14] v4nelle (~van@79.107.240.62) joined ##slackware. [06:14] t0f (~10000@69.72.53.153) joined ##slackware. [06:16] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. 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[06:39] really, heh [06:39] yea ty [06:40] so it's not to me specifically [06:40] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-33-149.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:40] Sappys (~Sappy@84.237.184.173) joined ##slackware. [06:40] uhmm: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ [06:42] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-98-93.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:42] cool =P [06:42] chendy (~chendy@204.152.211.137) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716] [06:43] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@sc-106.r-213-125-7.schoolconnect.nu) joined ##slackware. [06:46] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:47] bea (~nesquik@78-60-41-156.static.zebra.lt) left irc: [06:47] still no joy. [06:49] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-66-82.w90-58.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:49] felipe (~felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [06:51] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-420388.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:52] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-33-149.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:52] Strahsni1 (~root@vlan-186-sliven-156.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [06:52] hello [06:52] can someone help me [06:52] how can i change my screen resolution [06:52] i barely installed my VGA drivers ,so i can startx [06:53] now i can`t change the resolution [06:54] well is htere anyone who can help me ? [06:55] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-71-107.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:55] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:57] Strahsni1 well what is inside: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? [06:59] what do you mean Xorg.0.log ? [06:59] let me check [06:59] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:00] what should i look inside? [07:00] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: [07:02] ok ,i`m still waiting [07:02] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-141-202.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: après la roue, l'homme inventa Windows 7 [07:02] Strahsni1 paste the output of lspci AND your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to codepad.org if you want to take it from the start [07:02] Action: phrag will fix for food [07:02] so i copy all from lspci [07:02] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [07:02] and all from xorg.conf-vesa [07:02] ? [07:02] cause i don`t have xorg.conf [07:03] only xorg.conf-vesa [07:03] well the log message in /var/log/Xorg.0.log should tell why you are not getting (higher/better?) screen resolutions [07:04] Mowah (~Mowah@c-988fe555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [07:04] well i`m tottal newbie in linux [07:04] t0f (~10000@69.72.53.153) left irc: Quit: t0f [07:04] if i could understand the log i wouldn`t ask here [07:05] xorg doesn't want me to change keyboard settings... urgh. [07:05] I'll try some command-line goodness. [07:05] Mowah (~Mowah@c-988fe555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [07:06] hm not loadkeys [07:06] xset or something. [07:06] xsetkb on google directs me to some russian site [07:08] ah it's xsetkbmap or something. [07:08] setxkbmap even. [07:09] aha problem solved [07:10] how do you change the resolution in slackware [07:10] usually [07:10] or you don`t ? [07:10] setxkbmap -model thinkpad -layout dvorak -variant intl -option grp:win_switch [07:11] phrag: I'll fix for beer ;-) [07:11] artvdroid (~androirc@220.sub-174-222-4.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [07:12] Strahsni1: which graphic hardware? nvidia? radeon cards? (fglrx or default radeon?) intel? [07:12] SIS [07:12] none of these [07:12] i put my drivers so i managed to start the X [07:12] ah... [07:12] before that - no x [07:12] how old is the computer? [07:12] now i want to change my resolution [07:12] 3-4 year Laptop [07:12] and how did you install these drivers? where from? [07:12] how big was the driver package? [07:12] well i got them from 1 website [07:13] 250kb max [07:13] Strahsni1 - well if people could look at your lspci and Xorg.0.log - they would help you, but you choose to have a dramatic monologue instead [07:13] which website? [07:13] hold on [07:13] i used win7 chrome to dl [07:13] where is this log file ? [07:14] only the name of the website, not the full link [07:14] lspci gives one the gfx chipset info, that is used to lookup what xorg driver is used with that card, what resolutions does it support, etc. [07:14] how to paste in linux ? [07:15] pprkut: have you had tests for your nvidia slackbuild yet? (wondering if I can install it and do all my tests in less than one hour :P ) [07:15] (oh, and I'm running 2.6.36-rc2 :p ) [07:15] it doesn`t let me paste so i will type it [07:15] Strahsni1: just the *name* : something.com [07:15] retype it [07:15] you might even be lucky to find (google) a complete xorg.conf file for that card on the internet, drop it into your /etc/X11 restart the X and be fine [07:15] lspci -v |grep -i VGA answers : [07:16] Strahsni1 select with mouse and middle button click pastes that into the dest ? [07:16] lspci -v |grep -i VGA [07:16] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter (rev 04) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) [07:16] nice [07:16] i didn`t know that [07:16] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce Go 6600] (rev a2) [07:16] where is that log file [07:16] ? [07:17] /var/log/Xorg.0.log [07:17] Xorg.0.log or Xorg.0.log.old? [07:17] which 1 to open [07:17] well .old is the previous one [07:17] i guess so [07:18] older one [07:18] so i gues you want the current one - without .old [07:18] should i copy all of it ? [07:18] how to select all in nano ? [07:18] copy & paste to codepad.org [07:19] it will generate a link you can paste here [07:19] how ot make new file ? [07:19] cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log > my_xorg.log [07:19] ok i open and start copying [07:20] is it better to upload the whole my_xorg.log file ? [07:21] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:21] artvdroid (~androirc@220.sub-174-222-4.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Bye [07:22] http://dox.bg/files/dw?a=96b99f5479 [07:22] this is the my_xorg.log [07:22] i have learned a lot for the linux , today [07:24] yht (~yht@118.96.121.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [07:24] Elektro (~elektro@128.85-84-203.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:26] Strahsni1 http://codepad.org/TdZPw1Me - see it is talkin' to you in plain english [07:26] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) joined ##slackware. [07:27] ok [07:28] it does not want to load your gfx card driver, basically dlopen (that is used to load functions/symbols) from a plugin - in this case a xorg driver fails to find a symbol/function named "resVgaIoShared" [07:28] what this means in pure english > [07:28] so it gives up on loadin sis_drv.so an moves onto another (default vesa?) driver [07:28] some people in forums say -they changed from vesa to sis driver and all was ok [07:29] ok i got another sis driver [07:29] maybe i should tar it up [07:29] and check [07:29] well - just hold on - what exactly are you doing there? [07:29] why are you fiddlin with drivers like this? [07:29] tar -xf file.tar.gz [07:30] just copy the file to the drivers folder and tar [07:30] tar -zxvf file.tar.gz [07:30] ok i can try it this way [07:31] there wasn't a driver in your slack distro? [07:31] well when i installed the linux [07:31] it didin`t start the X [07:31] just flickering screen [07:31] now at least it shows Workspace and the clock [07:32] give me a sec, lets google what driver they suggest on slack 13.1 [07:32] ok [07:34] wharncliffe (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [07:34] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [07:34] \o [07:37] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:38] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Quit: That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. [07:39] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [07:39] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) joined ##slackware. [07:40] alisonken1lap, which laptop you have? Model no. etc. I plan to buy my first laptop... [07:41] Elektro (~elektro@128.85-84-203.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [07:43] I have 2 - an hp pavillion from about 6-7 years ago and my work bought me a dell dimension intel i5 machine [07:43] Strahsni1 - so the /usr/X11/lib/modules/drivers/sis_drv.so driver that failed to load on your slack 13.1, is that the default driver you got installed with slack 13.1? [07:44] as long as it has a supported intel graphics chip, I would say take your pic [07:44] k [07:44] both the HP and the dell seem to be ok [07:44] the touchpad on the new dell is a little funny - it's just a rectangle of the metal case that's indended, so a little hard to get used to since it's real touchy [07:45] no sis_drv.so is not my default driver [07:45] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-420388.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [07:45] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:45] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-420388.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:46] alisonken1lap - why not nvidia? (intel is good but conservative choice), i use IBM (leonovo laptops) mostly with intel gfx with slack for a long time - they run well, but if there was a laptop with nvidia i would go for it [07:46] Strahsni1 - ok so what happened to the default driver from slack 13.1 ? [07:47] i guess nothing [07:47] i don`t know [07:47] i dled a new driver "sis_drv.o-402" how to install it ? [07:47] mbohun: intel is open source and part of the system - nvidia is good, but it's still binary proprietary [07:47] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:48] and intel seems to do pretty good so far - complete with eye candy :) [07:48] what permission denied means ? [07:48] if you knew how bad my iwl4965 works... (wifi) [07:48] bbl [07:48] Strahsni1 - it is not that easy - you have to make sure that the driver sis_drv.so is *COMPATIBLE* with your version of xorg - makes sense? [07:48] edthix (~ed@115.133.244.30) joined ##slackware. [07:48] who cares i`m so desparate that i`m ready to do anything [07:48] *desperate [07:49] I'd probably go for vesa actually [07:49] soon i will wipe out the HDD if i don`t make it run [07:49] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:49] (or the kernel mode switching in recent kernels) [07:49] as long as your screen isn't "wide", vesa should be ok, but it may impact battery life badly [07:49] just tell me how to install that driver i dl-ed from the sis webpage [07:49] Strahsni1 - no, no - the dlopen error you are getting is basically something like a key not matching a lock - you can't just get any key and open the door on your house - right? [07:49] well they are for my VGA [07:50] ii guess the x server is working with some of the drivers [07:50] but if it can`t load it - it will be like this morning - no X at all [07:51] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [07:51] Strahsni1 - the error was basically saying that the xorg tries to load the driver (assign function pointers in your xorg server interface to functions loaded with dlopen from sis_drv.so, and well if dlopen is looking for a function "foo", but there is no function named "foo" in the sis_drv.so - then you get that type of err message ve have seen) [07:52] so the driver is not workign [07:52] that`s why i dl a new one [07:52] do you have any idea what this foo function is ? [07:52] no rocket surgery really, and even if dlopen found function with that name, you can still get a nice crash [07:53] that`s why i have to search for a new driver [07:53] Strahsni1 http://codepad.org/TdZPw1Me [07:53] it seems that there is no x11vnc build on sbo.... is there someting else to use to share :0 screen? [07:53] thanks alisonken1lap :) sorry I was away... [07:54] dlopen can not find function/symbol named "resVgaIoShared" i your driver ( /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/sis_drv.so ) [07:54] Oak: np - I'm in the process of unboxing new systems, so I'm back and forth myself [07:55] :) [07:55] so do you have any idea? [07:56] well i can lookup for you what "resVgaIoShared" is and what it does and why it was removed, but that won't help you to solve your problem, you need to get sis_drv.so that is *COMPATIBLE* with you xorg version, you should try first with the default slack 13.1 xorg driver [07:56] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:58] brianw (~kisea@c-69-254-170-3.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Remember Panzer, A dear friend. [07:59] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-152-117-89.range109-152.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [08:00] ok give the command then [08:00] alisonken1lap - i know intel drivers are open src, but given nvidia is providing good quality drivers, well i learne to live in the sin - i mean usin the binary blob drivers that taint the purity of our most saint and holy kernel :-) http://openbsd.org/39.html Blob! [08:00] alisonken1lap http://openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39 - i loved it :-) [08:00] heh - nvidia is good, I just prefer the intel ones so I don't have to do extra steps to get eyecandy [08:01] or rather, I NOW prefer the intel ones since they get linux guru help [08:03] alisonken1lap - really no extra steps - recent slack + recent kernel + last nvidia stable driver - you have to click twice the OK button in ncurses(-like?) gui installer - and that is all [08:03] radeon =) [08:03] nvidia, using nouveau :P [08:04] the blob sucks, it only rocks when it comes to instability and weird bugs [08:04] wharncliffe (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:04] ok [08:04] how in slackware i can search my media ? [08:04] alisonken1lap bash-3.1$ uname -a; glxinfo | grep -i gl_version [08:04] Linux yobbo 2.6.35.3 #1 PREEMPT Sun Aug 22 05:33:53 EST 2010 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [08:04] GL_VERSION: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 256.44 [08:04] i mean -is there anything like windows explorer ? [08:05] adrien: my scripts are already on SBo, my testing plus the one who approved it :) [08:05] Strahsni1 - better - revolutionary file manager called mc - runs in terminal too [08:05] Strahsni1 (~root@vlan-186-sliven-156.comnet.bg) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:05] ok, I'll see if I can do that before leaving, two hours left :p [08:06] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) left irc: Quit: And I can't put the needle in... [08:06] heard ranger is better :P [08:09] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [08:10] sbopkg or not sbopkg? [08:11] SOUL_OF_R00T (~0xff00@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. 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[08:20] well i just installed the driver [08:20] but i`m not sure if i`m on vesa [08:20] cli (~cowyn@li110-174.members.linode.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:20] at least its a little bit better [08:20] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [08:20] which driver, nvidia? [08:21] SiS... [08:22] what are the available resolutions accoring to xrandr -q ? [08:22] hah SiS [08:22] oh :p not sure how much help I can be there [08:22] Strashniq - did you reinstall the driver? is your new sis_drv.so loading now OK? [08:22] not sure [08:22] but its better [08:22] I would check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see which driver it loaded [08:23] at least its 800x600 [08:23] ok [08:23] let me check [08:23] if it didn't load the right one, you'll be stuck with your resolution on vesa, so trying to hack it won't do much [08:23] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [08:23] Strashniq - you have to get rid of that error: http://codepad.org/TdZPw1Me - get the proper driver for your xorg [08:24] failed to load the driver :( [08:25] konqueror not workigng? [08:25] Strashniq ti si bylgarin [08:25] mdam [08:25] haide pomagai [08:25] e s kvo [08:25] kazvai [08:25] :) [08:25] namerih driver [08:25] Strashniq: ne sam chel [08:25] Strashniq: kakyv driveR? [08:25] ama trqbva da go preimenuvam [08:26] Strashniq: kakyv driver? [08:26] uj za moq SIS [08:26] ok guys - this is the english slackware channel [08:26] Strashniq: forget it [08:26] alisonken1home: ok sorry... [08:26] yes, I just to work, and don't want a headache yet :p [08:26] hehe [08:26] ok [08:27] this aint the ascii/utf7 channel? [08:27] :) [08:27] you're an asciist :) [08:27] this is the old/greek - latin language [08:28] there no utf for this [08:28] for what? [08:28] nope, we're utf64 here :-) [08:28] unfortunately, old greek is not old geek :) [08:28] no such beast [08:28] hahahha [08:28] utf[578] [08:28] how to rename a file using the mc ? [08:28] F6 [08:29] yes F6 :") [08:29] ok let me reboot [08:29] why? [08:29] Strashniq (~Strashniq@vlan-177-sliven-212.comnet.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:29] to use mc? [08:29] ew [08:30] alisonken1lap so how ya bin? [08:31] tripFantastic: keeping busy - got 8 pallets of new servers to unbox - down to 3 pallets now [08:31] and 30 minutes till end of shift [08:31] that is of course, supposing my relief shows up on time [08:31] sweeeeeet! gime your oldies :) [08:31] one pls [08:32] what kind of hw? [08:32] ashe (~ashe@110.136.138.101) joined ##slackware. [08:33] not sure if you want the oldies - but we're expanding so it's adding rather than replacing [08:33] silicon mechanics with 8-bay raids [08:33] waht's wrong with the oldies? [08:33] ooo [08:33] pizza [08:33] still using them - silicon mechanics 1u pizza boxes are the old ones, the new ones are 2u servers [08:33] nice [08:34] pprkut: well, I guess it doesn't work with 2.6.36 ='( [08:34] today's primary day, dont for to vote [08:34] jkwood (~jkwood@2001:470:1f0e:d2::2) joined ##slackware. [08:34] forget [08:34] not in my state [08:34] k [08:34] suid0 (~suid0@li120-230.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [08:34] suid0 (~suid0@li120-230.members.linode.com) left irc: Changing host [08:34] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [08:34] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [08:35] alisonken1lap when you have some free time, i'd like to have a private with you about a start-up svc .com for hosting. at your convenience. [08:35] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [08:36] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. 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[08:46] meatbun: if fconfig doesn't show it then no i guess [08:47] Mowah (~Mowah@c-988fe555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:47] Mowah (~Mowah@c-988fe555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [08:47] ChrisAbela (~chris@195.158.108.189) joined ##slackware. [08:47] zoran119, no it does not [08:51] Mowah (~Mowah@c-988fe555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [08:51] groo (~groo@201-92-221-107.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:51] groo (~groo@201-92-221-107.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [08:51] Mowah (~Mowah@c-988fe555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [08:52] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:52] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:54] v4nelle (~van@79.107.240.62) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:57] v4nelle (~van@79.107.240.62) joined ##slackware. [08:57] cli (~cowyn@li110-174.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [08:59] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:01] |Slacker| (~cris@189.26.28.190.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:03] Has anyone got a fully working pssh? [09:03] ChrisAbela (~chris@195.158.108.189) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:03] without installing psshlib first? (python) [09:03] I'm checking whether I missed out on a package during the installation. [09:04] very unlikely oversight by Pat. [09:05] ChrisAbela (~chris@195.158.108.189) joined ##slackware. [09:05] Roin (~florian@p5B2BCFB7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:07] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [09:07] out of curiosity, what's pssh? [09:09] parallel ssh ? [09:09] http://freshmeat.net/projects/pssh/ [09:10] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:10] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [09:11] adrien: damn :/ [09:12] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [09:12] slck-o (~cris@187.112.221.194) joined ##slackware. [09:13] rworkman, thanks for the config, it solved my dis-appearing optical drive :p works well [09:13] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-204-104.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [09:13] meatbun (~wafers4@cpe-98-155-139-88.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:13] pprkut: kernel interface changed it seem (removed a struct member), I'll see during the week (train in one hour ;-) ) [09:14] thrice`: curious: do you know what the culprit was? [09:14] Strahsniq (~root@84.54.139.180) joined ##slackware. [09:14] hello [09:15] is there anyone who can explain me how 5 min ago i couldn`t run with more than 800x600 now i have 1024x768 [09:15] ? [09:15] Strahsniq (~root@84.54.139.180) left irc: Client Quit [09:15] adrien, not yet, I used the slack config, which worked, and then got lazy :> [09:16] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@lbb-dslst.69616810.amaonline.com) joined ##slackware. [09:16] |Slacker| (~cris@189.26.28.190.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:17] I've been using oldconfig with this config for about 2 years, and even with 2.6.35 it seemed quite boring; yet /dev/sr0 would not appear to save my life. I got tired of messing around with it [09:18] i haven't built the generic kernel in awhile - that thing is a monster. took 30 minutes or so [09:19] Elektro (~elektro@128.85-84-203.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:20] ChrisAbela (~chris@195.158.108.189) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:22] same here: I always use my config which I update with oldconfig, actually it needs some updating (with libata and everything around) [09:25] ChrisAbela (~chris@195.158.108.189) joined ##slackware. [09:26] ilker (~ilker@88.241.146.78) joined ##slackware. [09:26] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@sc-106.r-213-125-7.schoolconnect.nu) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:28] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) joined ##slackware. [09:29] ilker (~ilker@88.241.146.78) left irc: Changing host [09:29] ilker (~ilker@last.fm/user/ilker) joined ##slackware. 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[09:43] i don't think [09:43] or even the computers clock [09:44] once i set 1900 as file date [09:45] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:45] slobad2323 (~jake@92.17.205.175) joined ##slackware. [09:45] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [09:45] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) joined ##slackware. [09:46] is slackpkg an official tool for installing and updating packages or is it a pet project of some slackware users? Should I be using it or is there a "better" or "more official" way of doing things? [09:46] its not offical, but its community based [09:46] "date -s 1950", didn't let me do that [09:46] But its in the full install and I think it can be considered good and save :p [09:47] At least for doing updates within one release [09:47] Skywise, is there a better way to keep up to date with software and to install third party apps? [09:47] and installing software you might forgot to install from the DVD [09:47] tank-man, i used "touch" [09:47] its less complicated [09:48] The thing that I would be interested in installing would be Open Office, Flash (because I have to watch videos online... it's a matter of life or death) and Netbeans [09:48] You cant install that from slackpkg iirc [09:48] with "date" you set the pc-clock [09:48] I tried slackbuilds and all three of them were... ummm... not working for me [09:48] You can use slackbuilds.org and sbopkg though [09:48] someone tried to talk me through it via IRC but they couldn't get it to work eiter [09:48] slobad2323: flash and openoffice work for me from slackbuilds [09:48] Roin, that is what I was told by the person who tried to help me too [09:49] you can use the sbopkg or rpm2tgz and then install with installpkg [09:49] I am using Ubuntu at the moment but I have a purchased copy of Slackware and an old copy of slackware essentials. [09:49] slobad2323: deinstall netbeans remove /opt/netbeans and try to install it again [09:49] Skywise: I think we can consider apps that are shipped within Slackware's core set "official" [09:49] Action: Roin agrees [09:49] All it says in the book on package management is "use installpkg on the package to install it" but you need to find a package first and if it's not on the FTP or DVD then I'm screwed [09:50] the book is a little bit outdated on some topics :x [09:50] i don't consider them offical because they're not maintained by slackware, that doesn't mean its bad or anything [09:50] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [09:51] Other than packages (and I know this annoys regular slackware users but i've had nothing but bad experiences with it) I love the philosophy and the apparent intelligence in the slackware community when it comes to fixing problems. Nothing but helpful - I just want to be able to install and update easily on top of everything else Slackware offers [09:52] slobad2323: well for 3rd party software not shipped with the full slackware install I use slackbuilds which works.. nearly perfectly for me ._. [09:53] slobad2323: http://sbopkg.org/ you might want to take a look at this tool, it is like pkgtool for slackbuilds.org, very handy and saves some time (also allows to update all software installed via slackbuilds.org) and slackpkg for everything slackware ships [09:53] hups [09:53] Skywise: slackpkg is maintained by slackware core developers [09:54] oh so slackpkg just browses the Slackware ftp's doesn't look through the slackbuilds site? [09:54] Yup [09:54] slackpkg downloads? [09:54] Slackbuilds isn't an official slackware project right? Doesn't every user rely on it for packages they want that slackware doesn't have? [09:54] Skywise: yup [09:55] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:55] slobad2323: I like slackbuilds, cool guys, loads of apps and very cool ._. [09:55] tank-man: it's physically impossible to set a unix date before 1970 [09:55] Elektro (~elektro@128.85-84-203.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Quit: Elektro [09:55] slobad2323, slackpkg still uses pkgtool [09:56] slobad2323: but it is not an official slackware project (slackbuilds that is) [09:56] adrien: negative number? [09:56] I'm not saying slackbuilds isn't a great tool - but if it's relied on by so many... couldn't it be incorporated into the slackware main release or browseable by slackpkg? [09:56] It's very confusing [09:57] slobad2323: no, I think thats not done to keep it simple you know [09:57] rob0: afaik, an epoch is a 32bit unsigned integer, so no way to get something negative ;-) [09:57] Roin, just advised to stick with the applications provided by the main DVD? [09:57] if they would say slackbuilds is officially supported they would need to fix bugs with it in order to save the reputation of slackware beeing stable and everything [09:57] you might have something on top of the epoch however [09:58] slobad2323: Like I said, I use sbopkg and slackbuilds.org to get what I need, to get the stuff which is not in slackware [09:58] just ignore the fact that it isnt officially supported, the guys there do a lot to keep up a very high quality standard of their repo [09:59] adrien: wikipedia, as correct as it might be, states it's signed [09:59] oh [09:59] so slackbuilds is the repo, sbopkg is a tool that allows you to use those applications, and slackpkg is just a tool that allowed yout o browse through the FTP's or DVD and install official packages [10:00] I must have had some quirky bugs when it came to installing from slackbuilds in that case [10:00] slobad2323: basicly yes, sbopkg browses the slackbuilds.org repo so yeah :D (you could also do everything manually with slackbuilds.org -> handy to do manual upgrades if you need a a dev version for example instead of a stable one) [10:01] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:02] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.126.55.115) joined ##slackware. [10:02] In which case... as long as it works... why do you hear people moaning that slackware has no package management? Seems like there are various options out there [10:02] well, not time to see right now [10:02] slobad2323: dunno :p [10:02] mm, slackpkg is definitely developed by slackware members [10:02] slobad2323: I'm afk for coffee and cake, I'll brb ;) [10:02] oops, backlog [10:02] I like that the web site is being run on a 800mhz p3 with 512 of ram :-D [10:03] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [10:04] yeah if it was a p4 it just wouldnt be the same [10:05] i_is_cat (~i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:05] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [10:06] bulletz (kerbau@edge.edish-network.com) joined ##slackware. [10:07] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:08] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [10:08] sahko, nope, p4 would be far too modern [10:08] linXea (~Slackytux@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:08] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:09] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:10] akmalhamdani (~giantpand@182.3.95.15) joined ##slackware. [10:11] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [10:11] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.173.174.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:12] bim (~bimmm@fre83-1-88-166-253-173.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:12] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:12] Nick change: akmalhamdani -> akmal [10:14] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:14] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[10:37] SOUL_OF_R00T (~0xff00@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:39] bim (bimmm@fre83-1-88-166-253-173.fbx.proxad.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:40] pinnen (~pinnen@h-45-2.A166.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [10:41] VeinJu (Rockfelle@bas4-montreal45-1279573673.dsl.bell.ca) left ##slackware. [10:41] guax (~guax@189.4.108.113) joined ##slackware. [10:41] guax (~guax@189.4.108.113) left irc: Changing host [10:41] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [10:42] pinnen (~pinnen@h-45-2.A166.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:42] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:42] pinnen (~pinnen@h-45-2.A166.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [10:43] tsccof (~tsccof@189.73.163.130) joined ##slackware. [10:43] hello everyone [10:43] hi [10:44] gniks: how are you? [10:45] im good [10:45] how about yourself? [10:46] why i cant execute any binaries/scripts whatever on my external hard drive? it just says "permission denied" [10:47] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) joined ##slackware. [10:47] which file system / permissions? [10:47] aarchvile: you either don't have the exec flag on the script, or you mounted it with noexec [10:47] check the ownership + perms with ls -l on one of them [10:48] there are only "defaults,users" flags, i'll add exec and try again [10:48] shouldn't matter, I'd think. [10:49] again, which FS and perm on one of the scripts that fails? [10:49] thrice`: what shouldn't matter [10:49] default file perms is 644, meaning no exec [10:49] works now when exec flag was set. thanks [10:50] gniks, I would have thought "defaults" wouldn't set noexec explicitely [10:51] gniks: I am fine, thanks :D [10:51] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@sc-106.r-213-125-7.schoolconnect.nu) joined ##slackware. [10:51] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [10:54] thrice`: default is exec (unless his gui or whatever sets noexec) [10:56] hm, possibly [10:57] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.57.108.204) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [11:08] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:11] mattallmill (~mattallmi@69.71.126.147) joined ##slackware. [11:15] anyone know how to get rid of whitespace on the end of all my copy / paste lines in kde/klipper ? [11:16] i have to manually paste into a text file and do a find and replace on all the multiple whitespace, really annoying [11:17] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSAJ0l4OBHM [11:17] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@sc-106.r-213-125-7.schoolconnect.nu) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:18] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [11:19] Any of you have your own business? [11:19] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [11:19] Howdy [11:20] i do consulting on the side [11:20] Consulting? [11:20] phrag: use vi and :%s/ *$// [11:20] What do you do specifically? [11:20] rhisa: yeah, companies call me for advice on how to setup their IT infrastructures or have me to it for them [11:21] gniks: yeh, fsck that 100 times a day =P [11:21] cron it ;) [11:21] gniks, hm sounds good. How did you get clients? [11:22] rhisa: I am starting up a company [11:22] well, i work in the IT industry& so i meet people, go to parties, local LUG's and hand out business cards :p [11:22] contracting is good wage, hard to find work though [11:22] yeah its difficult [11:22] Sappys (~Sappy@84.237.184.173) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:22] but once you get your name out there its better [11:22] good money though [11:22] i obviously dont' have enough business to quit my day job :p [11:22] but, i don't want to only do contracting anywa [11:22] Hm.. I am screwed then, since I am deaf. [11:22] tsccof, what kind? [11:23] you have to weigh up regular and less salary with sparadic but lucrative salary [11:23] rhisa: software development and customised web solutions [11:23] local governments are really easy to get contracting jobs with, especially since a one man operation and out bid any large corporation :p [11:23] rhisa, you are perfect for a government job... [11:23] ashe (~ashe@110.136.138.101) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:23] if you can contract on the side, whilst still maintaining a day job, your laughing [11:23] arfon, perhaps. Any idea where to start? [11:24] your laughing? [11:24] If you were in texas, WorkinTexas.com [11:24] TONS of IT hiring [11:24] ur laffing lulz [11:24] and a disability is a plus [11:24] New York City here. [11:24] rhisa: same here :p [11:24] NY has to have a stae job site [11:25] state [11:25] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [11:25] gniks, what part? [11:25] arfon, sorry, state job site? [11:25] rhisa: i live in JC cause its cheaper [11:26] JC? :'( Sorry it's all flying over me. [11:26] jersey city [11:26] Oh. [11:27] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware ("take care..."). [11:28] rhisa: NY city and NY state HAS to have an online job site where they post jobs [11:28] Texas, austin and the fed do. [11:28] they do somewhere [11:28] arfon, the city one is off of nyc.gov [11:28] Just sign up and find a job. [11:28] Thanks. I will then. [11:28] I didn't know. [11:28] NP :) [11:29] I wish you luck... government employees are 'different' [11:29] :< I hope that wasn't too negative. [11:30] haha [11:30] won't worry, we were all thinking it ;) [11:30] rhisa, which borough? [11:30] I grew up and live in Brooklyn. [11:31] rhisa, staten island here [11:32] I remember. :] [11:33] i have a lot of coworkers from brooklyn [11:33] rhisa, if you need any particular info, you have the tty service on your phone, right? [11:33] nyRednek, nope. I hardly use the phone. [11:34] And with hearing aids I can hear but problem is, I can't hear whispering or mumbling or people with low voice. [11:34] rhisa, if you did, you could get the info hand-delivered by calling 311 [11:35] Really? I'll call right now, is it just a pamphlet or what? [11:35] rhisa, they will research and give you specific info [11:35] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:35] rhisa, as it applies to the city government [11:35] Can you hear the bass from people who like to share thier music with you at stop lights? [11:35] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [11:35] arfon, no. [11:36] I want that! [11:36] arfon, half the time, you don't need to hear it, you can feel it [11:36] Roin (~florian@p5B2BCFB7.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: bbl hopefully @.@ [11:36] (jk) [11:36] kleanchap (~scotty@p5B11A57E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [11:36] When I listen to music, I can't hear words like people can. [11:36] You must listen to metal... [11:36] Yeah I can feel the bass if it's that loud but I can't hear it. [11:36] rhisa: you like dub? [11:36] Hard music like that sounds like a bunch of garbage pail bashing together. [11:36] that's very weighty music [11:36] Not sure what you mean by dub. [11:36] That's metal [11:36] My default X manager is xfce. How do I change that to Gnome? [11:37] or lxde? [11:37] kleanchap, have you installed either gnome or lxde ? [11:37] gnome's not part of slackware, you'd have to install it [11:37] ibid on lxde [11:37] kleanchap: Install gnome then use pktool and rerun the configure [11:37] just 'xwmconfig' is enough after you've installed it [11:37] xwmconfig [11:37] Hm okay. [11:37] pkgtool > configure > wmsetup (I think) [11:37] rhisa, Thnx [11:37] Or that [11:37] x-windows manager configuration. [11:37] VampX (~VampX@190.140.141.107) joined ##slackware. [11:38] but, neither gnome nor lxde will show up, of course, until they are installed ;) [11:38] I keep forgetting about xwmconfig [11:38] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [11:38] yeah, i was gonna suggest you run setup after installing [11:38] (or you can symlink the xinitrcs [11:39] allend (~allend@d58-106-167-185.sun5.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [11:39] Roin (~florian@p5B2BCFB7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:39] I have: startx.kde startx.twm startx.xfce starx.fluxbox etc... [11:40] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:40] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:41] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-64-27.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:42] Interesting setup arfon. [11:42] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-64-27.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:42] It's nice to be able to pop into twm when I want to play vendetta [11:43] AlexElliott (~alex@2002:3e1f:a475:1234:21e:68ff:fe9b:9499) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:49] Ctrl-E, which moves cursor to line end in konsole doesn't work for me [11:50] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:50] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:50] i've tried to reassign it as a global shortcut to another action, and it says that it's already assigned to action "Text completion" [11:51] allend (~allend@d58-106-167-185.sun5.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:51] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [11:51] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [11:52] AlexElliott (~alex@cpc5-aztw11-0-0-cust116.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:52] i don't understand why democrats don't like nascar...it's the only time they get to see a redneck make a sharp left turn [11:53] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [11:53] maybe its cause they still just end up back where they started from [11:54] Skywise, as if the sharp left turn in politics never comes full circle [11:54] i guess thats why its called spin [11:54] nyRednek, most "democrats" consider themselves "intellectuals" and try to live in the "ivory tower". [11:54] rhisa, true [11:54] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:55] rhisa, but they have speed tv in their ivory tower [11:55] allend (~allend@d58-106-167-185.sun5.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [11:55] I lost all respect for liberals / democrats in general after I found out they can be extremely obnoxious. [11:55] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) joined ##slackware. [11:55] as opposed to conservatives? [11:55] They tend to have this air of supremacy in the way they talk to you if they find out you are a right-leaner.r [11:55] you watch fox news lately? [11:55] lol [11:55] Skywise, keep in mind I'm not a conservative. [11:55] rhisa: both sides have that [11:56] gniks, I can't imagine a red neck having an air of supremacy. The typical image of a red neck is someone you wanna "have a beer with". [11:56] lol [11:56] yeah rednecks are real social [11:56] rhisa, jack daniels, please [11:56] try dropping in on one of thier bars sometime [11:56] rhisa: this is true that is the typical image& but i grew up in red neck central, and some of them clean up really nice when they aren't in the fields :p [11:56] rhisa, i can't stand budweiser [11:56] When I went to southerners they were nice to me. This is coming from a very liberal state (as a New Yorker). [11:57] you'll get welcomed right to the emegency room [11:57] southern state* [11:57] maryland? [11:57] cause it wasn't alabama or mississippi [11:57] No, CT and another state I forget. [11:57] Skywise, actually, if you don't come in with an attitude problem(like you think you're expected to fight) you're usually ok [11:57] CT is in the south? [11:57] bulletz (kerbau@edge.edish-network.com) left irc: [11:57] My best friend live in Alabama. [11:58] For like 10 years. [11:58] Skywise, we got a few redneck bars in nyc... [11:58] He is Chinese too. [11:58] they're called biker bars [11:58] yeah [11:58] "Right" and "left" in US politics are pretty meaningless. They're all statists, and neither will do much to give back the freedoms the other side stole from us. [11:58] nyRednek++, some of the redneck bars are more redneck than places in Alabama. [11:58] i been there, i went to penn state, we'd get drunk in ny often [11:58] rob0, oh no, we aren't talking about that. We are talking about the baseline for either side. [11:58] rhisa, yeah [11:59] Alabama folks are pretty nice on the whole. [11:59] ohgod, "right" vs. "left" in American plutocratic politics hahahah [11:59] you know whats in between pittsburgh and philadelphia? [11:59] you want idiots, go around shreveport [11:59] alabama [11:59] rural pa and ny are as redneck as anywhere in the world [11:59] The thing is, it's typically liberals that have this "I am a college graduate, therefore I am smarter than you" folks. [12:00] theres a reason for that [12:00] rob0: Statists? Hardly, in the last decade America became a de facto plutocracy. [12:00] Liberals are generally not into sports, like the conservatives are, this is something I noticed while studying political science though. [12:00] I don't think middle PA folks are as friendly on the whole as southerners tend to be. [12:00] You'll NEVER have real health care without paying through the nose for it. [12:00] namely, intellengence being a requirement for higher education [12:00] Same thing goes with internet access, and energy access. [12:00] lamah (~ghost@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [12:00] Roin_ (~florian@p5B2BBF0F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:00] Guess what folks? All of that stuff has been bought & paid for. The battle is over, and we all lost. [12:00] which gnome for Slackware? [12:00] kleanchap: NONE. [12:00] ;) [12:00] kleanchap: XFCE [12:00] but some of the dumbest people i know have phds [12:00] ++tsccof; [12:00] kleanchap, it isn't part of slackware [12:01] Skywise, agreed [12:01] How about lxde? [12:01] EXT4-fs (sdb3): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) [12:01] and anyone with a degree knows the primary requirement for a degree is to pay them [12:01] if i NX into one of my servers, is it possible to get it to use the 'console' ? [12:01] Skywise, yep. [12:01] kleanchap, it isn't included in slackware [12:01] kleanchap: never tried it, might be good! [12:01] you keep your bills paid and you will graduate [12:01] He's asking which flavor of gnome to install [12:01] EXT4-fs (sdb3): re-mounted. Opts: (null) [12:01] how can i fix that? [12:01] Action: gniks wonders who is crazier, the crazy liberals or the crazy conservatives? [12:01] Skywise: indeed, a degree is simply your ticket into a different pay grade. These days they're meaningless. [12:01] lamah: there is nothing to fix [12:01] kleanchap, gnome-slackbuild is the preferred these days [12:01] gniks, conservatives only care about you until you're born [12:01] I'm the smartest person I know, and I can't be bothered to finish my degree! [12:01] VampX (~VampX@190.140.141.107) left irc: Quit: VampX [12:02] gniks: it's a error/warning msg [12:02] lamah: you didn't turn on any extra ext options [12:02] gniks: opts null [12:02] thrice` [12:02] lamah: its a notification message that is displayed whenever ext is mounted [12:02] college should be free [12:02] jeev, liberals don't care about you then, unless you have a ballot in your hand [12:02] true, at least they want you to vote [12:02] Skywise, in a way I disagree with that. Who pays the teachers? [12:02] nyRednek: There are no liberals in America. [12:02] gniks: aham, but after installation i don't haves a that msg [12:02] Roin (~florian@p5B2BCFB7.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:02] i don't say the staff should work for free [12:02] gniks: it it shows after a days before installation [12:02] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:02] jeev, and even then, they forget about you the moment you drop it in the ballot box [12:02] The American Left is further right than the right wing of most fascist dictatorships! [12:03] it should be free for the students [12:03] there's a GOP candidate in NY that wants to cut the budget by 20 % and then decrease taxes by 10% [12:03] ass|hat: I'm smarter than you, and indeed, college would be a complete waste of time. It would piss me off being "taught" by idiots. [12:03] gniks: how can i turn on extra ext options [12:03] Nick change: Roin_ -> Roin [12:03] nyRednek, conservatives forget about you when you're born [12:03] because it pays off for society if people are better educated [12:03] but i don't think that a college education is the only or the best way to learn [12:03] lamah: its there when the kernel mounts it [12:03] gniks: no before i mean *AFTER* [12:03] jeev, unless you happen to found a corporation [12:03] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [12:03] nyRednek, conservatives only remember you if you join the military to fight for them [12:04] oh, wait, that's liberals too [12:04] can anybody look at http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG/Keyboard_Shortcuts [12:04] rob0: I will accept you as an equal, but never my better. I went to college and was -instructed- by a plethora of morons. Absolute worst classes are social "sciences". What a pile of garbage. [12:04] lamah: either way, find the ext4 options that are used by default, and use tune2fs to enable them [12:04] well first of all, the whole meaning of conservative has been corrupted [12:04] conservatives are the war freaks who always want to be at war [12:04] and so has liberal [12:04] gniks: how? [12:04] google? [12:04] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [12:05] and liberals are the ones who spit on soldiers who went to war when *drafted* in the 60s [12:05] after all liberals want freedom, thats the root of the term [12:05] gniks: how can i find ext4 options [12:05] nyRednek: Unless you happen to *BE* a corp. <- important distinction [12:05] gniks: i cannot understand you very good english is not my first language [12:05] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.0 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ [12:05] nyRednek, i'll spit on any soldier [12:05] the protests against the war in the 60s were directed against the wrong people [12:05] the soldiers don't make policy [12:05] jeev, and you'll get your ass kicked in this day and age [12:06] you're blaming the puppet for the actions of the master [12:06] lamah: man fsck.ext4 [12:06] err [12:06] lamah: man tune2fs [12:06] but the war protests in the 60s were co-oped by the gov't [12:06] yes i tuned but again i have.. null opts [12:06] nyRednek, highly doubt that. if i do, it'll be emotionally by the media [12:06] jeev: The soldiers are not the problem. Save your spit for the politicians. [12:06] and they made it more militant and strident then it originally was [12:06] lamah: Set options at mount time perhaps? [12:06] slobad2323 (~jake@92.17.205.175) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:06] lamah: default ext4 fetures are has_jounral, ext_attr, resize_inode, dir_index, filetype, needs_recovery, extent, flex_bg, sparse_super, large_file, huge_file, uninit_bg, dir_nlink, extra_isize [12:07] its the same thing with the teaparty today [12:07] lamah: mount -o option=value,option2=value,etc... [fs] [mountpoint] [12:07] ass|hat: yes i made that [12:07] too bad the teaparty didnt exist during bush. [12:07] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. [12:07] ass|hat: wrong type of options [12:07] its a bunch of misguided republicans, being lead for tv [12:07] i need to remount it [12:07] and tune2fs [12:07] but nothing [12:07] lamah: you need to unmount it, and enable all the features [12:07] they're all trying to become shepard smith or something [12:08] ah unmount [12:08] Skywise, jeev, nyRednek, et.al: This seems like a discussion for ##slackware-offtopic [12:08] might want ot fsck it after too [12:08] Nick change: ass|hat -> eviljames [12:08] speller (~sheller@122.6.120.75) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:08] at least while there is on topic banter. [12:09] Action: eviljames takes a deep breath as the conversation stops [12:09] what the hell [12:09] are you still alive ? [12:10] jeev: I've spent the last few months being paid for love by your mother. It would've been awesome if it hadn't been for the smell... :/ [12:10] jeev: how goes it? [12:10] that's not my mother, that's my great grann [12:10] grandpa [12:10] hahahahah [12:10] They're so hard to tell apart... [12:10] na you need to get your glasses checked [12:11] Action: KaMii pokes arfon [12:11] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:11] Ctrl+E is a global shortcut here for some app, but i can't find for which app [12:11] if i try to reassign Ctrl+E to another action in Settings it says that that shortcut is assigned to Text Completion action [12:11] ugh, need coffee. [12:11] Action: arfon pokes kamii [12:11] f [12:11] arfon: they ship my computer tomorrow, so I should get it thursday!!! [12:11] vdv: Konqueror perhaps? [12:12] AMD Phenom II X6 here I come!! hehe [12:12] gniks: what is a command for umount the sys [12:12] Sweet! So you'll be posting "Why can't I..." questions on Friday? [12:12] vdv: Some googling says KEdit is the culprit. [12:12] arfon: more like on thursday [12:12] hehehe [12:12] :) [12:13] my first question will probably be, why are only 4 cores showing up [12:13] Hang on K, just had a router barf... [12:13] I shall dance away the morning by studying, brb. [12:13] eviljames, don't have kedit here [12:14] vdv: then GEdit, or some other editor? [12:14] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:15] eviljames, don't have gedit either :) [12:15] emacs [12:15] how can i look at all khotkeys shortcuts? [12:15] You bought the dual 8-core board KaMii ? [12:15] :) [12:15] dual processor for an AMD phenom II? not possible [12:15] KaMii, no :) emacs also not [12:16] nano, pico, joe, elvis [12:16] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [12:16] KaMii, kde? [12:16] ..walk into a bar [12:16] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Client Quit [12:16] Well KaMii, I bet Windows is going to FLY on it. [12:17] arfon: what do you mean by a dual 8-core board? [12:17] the processor I got only has 6 cores [12:17] Again, I bet windows is going to FLY! [12:17] and from what I read its impossible to have dual CPU support for the AMD Phenom II series [12:17] ewww, windoze? [12:17] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:17] no way, Im putting plan 9 on this beast [12:18] hehehe [12:18] what you using that machine for? [12:18] games, internet, and all the other random carp I do [12:18] what gaming you do in linux? [12:18] a LOT [12:18] WoW, Fallout 3, Sims 3 [12:18] You fish with your computer? [12:18] KaMii: just curious, are you a girl? [12:18] ..examples [12:18] tsccof: yes [12:19] aziztcf (~aziztcf@dial-82-141-78-108.kotinet.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:19] KaMii: so you are a girl who runs Slackware and plays World of Warcraft? [12:19] :)))))))))) [12:19] yes [12:19] KaMii: so, are you single? ;) lol [12:19] KaMii: what games do you play in linux? i've gamed in slack for the last 10 years [12:19] She just plays one on IRC [12:19] KaMii: why you are not using windows for star craft [12:19] tsccof: take it elsewhere, this isn't #teensex [12:19] phrag: I just listed 3 of them [12:20] KaMii: where ? [12:20] wow, fallout 3, sims 3 [12:20] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:20] those are the main ones now, but I keep dying in fallout 3 :S [12:20] anyone got starcraft 2 running in slack? [12:20] phrag: o rly, thx, nah, I was merely joking :) but I was indeed curious, that is all [12:20] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.12.87) joined ##slackware. [12:21] lamah (~ghost@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: lPt [12:21] So, KaMii what did you decide on the video card? [12:21] allend (~allend@d58-106-167-185.sun5.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:21] i hate it when people ctcp me then log off... lamah [12:21] Nick change: Greyhound- -> Greyhound [12:22] arfon: i didnt choose to buy a new one, going to keep using my NVIDIA 7x series card [12:22] Greyhound (Greyhound@79.114.12.87) left irc: Client Quit [12:22] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.12.87) joined ##slackware. [12:22] Snewp (debian@71-94-9-184.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:22] becaues I read that some video cards give issues with linux, so I want to wait and make sure I know what to get [12:22] Best choice [12:22] Snewp (debian@71-94-9-184.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left ##slackware. [12:22] how does fallout render in nix and you using opengl ? [12:23] phrag: it works good, but I had to patch wine with the fallout 3 patch for my nvidia card [12:23] zErOaCid (debian@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) joined ##slackware. [12:23] Nvidia 260 GTX runs sweet, and CUDA support [12:23] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [12:23] I didnt see any difference betwen my system running Fallout 3 in Windoze 7 or in Slackware [12:23] and it seemed that it was running faster in slack [12:24] KaMii: i'm not online at home just now, so havn't got to hacking on wine... getting SC2 working though is my goal when i get back onine [12:24] SC2? [12:24] duh, starcraft [12:24] hrm.. not sure about sc2, I never played starcraft [12:24] Sim City 2 of course. :) [12:24] i remember when i had Soldier of Fortune 2, running in wine with slack.. faster than it ever ran in XP... and this was 10 years ago =P [12:24] but it should work [12:24] lol [12:24] Diablo 3 will be awesome [12:25] I was just happy that sims 3 worked, because sims 2 does not work in wine [12:25] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [12:25] although i did have to play on non-punkbuster servers, as PB kept insisting i had a hacked kernel32 =P [12:25] lamah (~ghost@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [12:25] re [12:25] RvTx (~diego@49.pool85-49-132.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [12:25] hello [12:25] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@200.204.237.153) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [12:25] Hi RvTx [12:26] zErOaCid (debian@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) left irc: Client Quit [12:26] phrag: you have no internet at home? [12:26] no, just moved into a new apartment... takes 4-6 weeks to get a line =/ [12:26] 4 - 6 weeks???? [12:26] anyone knows how to select default audio card in slack13.1 x64 ? with alsa ... ? [12:26] where did you move? the moon? [12:26] alsaconf [12:26] phrag, if you live in a Clear Wireless area, it rocks! [12:26] considering they are *brand* new builds, with all the wiring in place already... and they take a month to connect me... and charge me £127 !! [12:26] i never before than I am runs the emacs, now i have run it and I am a newbie i have press the esc enter and many other symbols and things :))) now my cahracters is blinking too fast and i cant set it to normally, and one god knows what other I am do.. how can i restore emacs default [12:26] BT are wankers =P [12:27] i have been stoped it with killall -9 emacs [12:27] thnx [12:27] lamah: this isn't an emacs twitter client is it ? =P [12:27] phrag: hahah no this is a "emacs" from CLI [12:28] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-141-202.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:28] oh, just checking =P we had someone in the otherday with that problem, turns out he was runnign some uber buggy emacs twitter client that was breaking his box =P [12:28] no no ... [12:28] phrag: was it twit-el? [12:28] hmm the mem leak [12:28] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:28] ya, I got that one, and the mem leak sux [12:29] i use it on my slackintosh, i just restart emacs once ever 3 days to clear the memory [12:29] hummm not working and mixer vumeters are up [12:29] phrag: how can i restore defaults emacs options [12:29] alsamix [12:29] RvTx: cat a file to /dev/dsp and see if you hear static [12:30] or, i forget the command, something like that alsamix? [12:30] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:30] lamah: sorry, i'm a vim man =P [12:30] alsamixer [12:30] nopes i hear nothing [12:30] thanks dive I was close [12:30] You did run alsaconf? [12:30] KaMii: oh it was you with the emacs twitter client? =P [12:30] indeed [12:30] ya, probably [12:30] twitter^H^H^H [12:30] =) [12:31] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [12:31] fb [12:31] right, end of day... catch you guys later =) o/ [12:31] i have been too lazy to look for an alternative twitter client [12:31] later phrag [12:31] probably i need to restar the webbrowser [12:31] phrag: stay off the pubs [12:31] hehe [12:31] Wow, phrag lives on the moon?!? Way cool!! [12:31] finger can twitter =) [12:31] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-119-171.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [12:31] i would die if I had to go a month without internet [12:32] KaMii, don't say such things [12:32] rob0: the pizza dude always gets lost at the 4th consetlation on the left [12:32] ya, but then I dont get the user pictures and posting is impossible with finger [12:32] give me nightmares [12:32] Action: KaMii gives twitter the finger [12:32] haha [12:32] hehe o/ [12:32] lamah (~ghost@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: lPt [12:32] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:33] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [12:33] <--Never used emacs. What's the big deal wit it? [12:33] Mowah (~Mowah@c-988fe555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:34] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:34] arfon: thats what im trying to figure out myself, but i use it for super basic things, like memory hogging with twitter [12:34] RvTx (~diego@49.pool85-49-132.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:34] Memory Hogging? That sounds like something you do at night, in a field with a 6pack.. :) [12:35] the main thing with emacs is that it does everything - not just an editor, it can read email, browse, web, twitter, newsgroups etc [12:35] while vim is just an editor [12:35] some of prefer life simple [12:35] Pfft! I'll stick with vi* [12:35] but debating which is best is like a religious thing [12:36] yeah I use vi/vim [12:36] vi/vim always confuses me. the hotkeys just annoy me [12:36] what hotkeys? [12:37] it's mostly :command [12:37] Soooo, guess who ordered a 8 drive 3ware card? :) [12:37] unless you set some up [12:37] well im use to hitting ctl + c to quit things [12:37] and that does nothing for you in vi/vim [12:37] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.8) joined ##slackware. [12:37] you have to do esc :q [12:37] yep [12:37] and i usually forget theat [12:37] q = quit, how can you forget that? [12:37] and then hitting insert a lot and everything [12:38] its the esc key i forget about [12:38] don't insert, use 'i', 'a' and 'o' [12:38] Drives me nuts in nano and pico when I hit :wq and it types :wq in my file. :P [12:38] heh [12:38] blah, but the interface just doesnt make sense to me, for vi [12:38] maybe i should read a book on it, then i might like it [12:39] lamah (~ghost@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [12:39] but i do such basic editing, I stick with nano [12:39] No, KaMii, just remember a few to start with.... [12:39] :q!, :wq, ESC and i [12:39] phrag: removing of package emacs and then installing fixes the shits [12:39] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) left irc: Quit: I/O Error: No space left on device [12:39] installing what? [12:40] phrag: vi r00lz i nenver touch this again! [12:40] emacs... [12:40] KaMii: emacs what [12:41] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.12.87) left irc: [12:41] AlexElliott (~alex@cpc5-aztw11-0-0-cust116.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:42] sinuhe (~sinuhe@206.40.200.147) joined ##slackware. [12:42] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [12:43] AlexElliott (~alex@cpc2-aztw11-0-0-cust66.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:44] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:44] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:47] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] Soooo, guess who ordered a 8 drive 3ware card? :) [12:49] someone other than you [12:49] i_is_cat (~i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: needareboooooot [12:49] arfon: you did? high five! [12:49] That would be wrong, you are the weakest link. [12:49] Yeah I did... [12:49] I'm going RAID 5 baby! [12:50] arfon: XD [12:50] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [12:50] I'm eyeing some 2TB drives now... [12:51] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:51] arfon: that is a lot of hard drive space [12:51] arfon: do you use it all? [12:51] arfon: I mean, would you? [12:52] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [12:52] Well, I have a file server at home that gets filled with movies and music [12:52] I EASILY filled 1TB [12:52] Ya I use tb drives too. [12:52] I have a 1tb and a 1.5, I didn't think 2tb existed. [12:52] I use a 500GB one [12:52] A TB isn't much QQ [12:53] I have 2x1tb and 2x1.5 but they are a copy of each other as backup. [12:53] Sappys (~Sappy@84.237.184.173) joined ##slackware. [12:53] Oh yeah, 2tb ~ $110 [12:53] what about filesystems? [12:53] Ext4 is what I use [12:53] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [12:53] arfon: does ext4 have any management tool, as XFS has xfsprogs? [12:54] What do you mean management tool? [12:54] arfon: I have been using XFS for quite some time now [12:54] yes how can i unmount my filesystem and then how to mount it with all options with tune2fs i think? [12:54] df is about all I use. :) [12:55] arfon: xfsprogs has many utilities for managing an XFS file system [12:55] arfon: I can defrag XFS [12:55] I'm ignorant, but what is there to manage? [12:55] SUPPOSEDLY, ext isn't supposed to need defrag. [12:56] arfon: fragmentation happens to all hard drives, but ext3/4 reserves a percentage of the hard drive so that you can't fill it up, therefore making it harder to need to defrag it [12:57] arfon: the default percentage an ext3/4 FS reserves is 5% [12:57] arfon: as we know, a hard drive that is more than 95% full can't be defragged [12:57] Sounds right [12:57] arfon: so ext3/4 reserves the 5% or 10%(or whatever the user wants) [12:58] i_is_cat (~i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:58] arfon: still, XFS has a defrag tool [12:58] Is there even an Ext defragger>? [12:58] I've never seen one [12:58] arfon: but it is true, you don't need to defrag ext3/4 since it does the trick by itself [12:59] arfon: I haven't seen one either [12:59] I seem to remember that ext4 had a defrag tool [12:59] Soo, let's go back again... What tools do you need for a FS (besides a defragger?) [12:59] Df, fsck and...? [12:59] arfon: xfsprogs has xfs_growfs, for expanding the file system [13:00] PFFT! Don't need it [13:00] I partition the entire drive :) [13:00] arfon: XFS needs its own tools for some stuff [13:00] Sounds like you pushed me further into the Ext4 camp :) [13:01] arfon: but yea, I use fsck, dd for cleaning hard drives, xfsprogs, df [13:01] Someone told me that XFS is a little faster but, I don't care about that, I'm all for vanilla. [13:01] arfon: I might become an ext4 user too, in case it happens to be faster than XFS [13:02] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-2-200.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:02] I usually fill drives and have to rsync to upgrades before I GENERALLY have failures. :) [13:02] twilight zone [13:03] Oh man... Thanks for the background music [13:03] Hey, I'm going to RAID 5, gimme a break [13:03] DOH! Lunch time.... 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In past, I installed something like fw cutter or something. [13:45] I installed flashplugin thru gslapt, works nice, but no sound, any tip ? (working slack 13.1 x64) [13:48] kde is giving me sound, but just no sound on flash videos [13:48] AlexElliott__ (~alex@cpc2-aztw11-0-0-cust66.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:49] Slackware doesnt have flashplugin, or gslapt [13:49] AlexElliott_ (~alex@cpc2-aztw11-0-0-cust66.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:50] its a repository i added, i have it [13:50] ask the people running the repository then [13:50] err ... ok [13:50] Alan_Hicks (~alan@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:51] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [13:51] What is package management other than slackpkg for Slackware? It downloads and compiles the modules etc. [13:51] Alan_Hicks (~alan@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [13:51] kleanchap: slackbook.org chapter 18 [13:52] sahko, thnx [13:56] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-119-171.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:57] spectre (~kyle@clsm-208-111-243-198-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [13:58] krazy__ (~krazy@adsl-99-59-254-18.dsl.pnblar.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:58] mattallmill (~mattallmi@69.71.126.147) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:59] http://slack.isper.sk/pub/slackware-13.1/ got it form here ... lets see how can i contact with em [14:02] RvTx: you might also want to search the internet for your problem [14:02] sahko, that chapter doesnt mention all package management choices [14:02] ki2azyone (~krazy@99.189.54.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:02] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:02] already did ... but no luck thats why im here on irc [14:02] Raggs: whats missing? [14:03] slapt-get for one [14:03] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [14:03] I think it was left out on purpose [14:03] Howdy [14:03] Raggs: no its not [14:03] adrien, possibly, still an option [14:04] Action: kleanchap agrees with Raggs. [14:04] sahko, i must have missed it then [14:04] krazy__ (~krazy@adsl-99-59-254-18.dsl.pnblar.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:04] I used a tool about a year ago which download and compiles. [14:05] Raggs: it isnt part of Slackware so its not missing [14:05] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:05] sahko, but he asked about package management for slackware, and slapt-get is a viable option [14:06] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) joined ##slackware. [14:07] panda (~giantpand@114.124.175.92) joined ##slackware. [14:07] viable, but not supported here [14:07] Raggs: then wtf didnt you answer to him? [14:07] Nick change: panda -> Guest42241 [14:08] sahko, you beat me to it, i wasnt aware that slapt-get wasnt in the slackbook [14:08] just wanted him to have all options [14:08] instead of rtfm [14:08] mutt can do maildir? [14:09] arfon, yes [14:09] nice. [14:09] Is there a slackbuilds command line tool? [14:09] sbopkg [14:09] Nick change: Guest42241 -> akmalhamdnai [14:09] Raggs: do you have the slightest idea how many unofficial package managers for Slackware exist? [14:09] Nick change: akmalhamdnai -> akmalhamdani [14:10] http://www.sbopkg.org [14:10] Action: kleanchap found it. [14:10] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [14:10] alisonken1home, Thank you! I found the same link. :-) [14:10] sahko, no i dont, but i do know that many people do use slapt-get, it isnt like i was suggesting uncle festers slackpkg tool [14:10] akmal (~giantpand@182.3.95.15) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:11] Raggs: interesting wording there - considering the regulars here use slackpkg and it's officially supported by slackware [14:12] alisonken1home, so there is no other option? [14:12] lets keep slapt-get a secret? [14:12] officially supported - no [14:12] slackpkg is the only one I ever use, for 3rd party apps I manually grab the slackbuild if one exists and build myself that way, i dont like too much automation [14:12] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:12] he didnt ask for officially supported, or did i miss that? [14:12] slapt-get tries to do dependency checking - almost all of the regulars here have had problems with slapt-get due to those dependency checks [14:13] maybe not - but this is the unofficial-official slackware support channel [14:13] even patv drops in sometimes [14:13] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [14:13] alisonken1home, and your point/ [14:13] ? [14:13] thats what everyone says alisonken1home but i never saw him [14:13] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:13] slapt-get sucks [14:13] pkgtools ftw [14:14] He goes by cpunches when he comes in KaMii [14:14] Raggs: point is - you point him to a 3rd party package manager, but fail to mention that it's not supported here [14:14] arfon: xD [14:14] I should have bought beer [14:14] it seems that it was made abundantly clear already [14:14] Action: KaMii gives adrien a beer [14:14] (I would have thought that would have been a kick) :) [14:14] its 3.5% so you cant get drunk [14:15] foobarz (~x@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [14:15] Raggs: http://slackworld.berlios.de/links.html see the "applications specifically written or configured for Slackware" part. & there may be more [14:15] Raggs: people use those too [14:15] so you all are pissed that i mentioned a 3rd party app and now jump down my throat? [14:16] arfon: im nervous about getting my new computer, its all components coming to me in a bunch of boxes... [14:16] EASY KaMii [14:16] Raggs: I am not pissed, but I would do things manually [14:16] KaMii: I'm going to buy some at 2.5%(!) and some at >12% :P [14:16] im afriad of putting in the Mobo and processor and fan [14:16] You pretty much can't plug it in wrong [14:16] tsccof, alisonken1home and sahko seem to be [14:16] krazy__ (~krazy@adsl-99-59-254-18.dsl.pnblar.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:16] ya, but I can fry it with static electricity [14:16] Raggs: :/ [14:16] Raggs: no, i just wouldnt recommend to other people using unofficial tools, and imo neither should anyone else [14:16] Raggs: not pissed - just pointing out that there are unsupported managers, and people come back here for support and get pissed when they don't get supported on those [14:17] 12% beer? [14:17] and wonder why their system gets borked [14:17] THAT is a b!tch KaMii, you may need to get your dad to do that.... I have broken those stupid plastic tabs off before. [14:17] what plastic tabs [14:17] Now, it's pretty much all levers so don't sweat it [14:17] and he said hes not touching it, because he doesnt want me yelling at him when things dont work [14:18] The plastic tabs on the CPU socket that the bracket grabs [14:18] You'll be fine [14:18] they are easy to break? [14:18] No, but I've done it :) [14:18] well i will not try to force anything [14:18] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-141-202.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: après la roue, l'homme inventa Windows 7 [14:18] Easy-peasy [14:18] and i will try to not cry on the mobo either [14:19] Yeah, don't do that unless your tears are made of Freon TF [14:19] haha [14:19] mineral oil [14:19] is it possible to open up an xwindow session via ssh? [14:19] HHHmmm I don't think that's conductive so you should be okay. :) [14:20] Sappys (~Sappy@84.237.184.173) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:20] because I am turning my desktop into a server and I will need to run x for my ebook program [14:20] I have that written down here somewhere [14:20] or should I just buy a montor switch? [14:20] s/montor/monitor [14:20] export something... [14:22] Kamii it's something like "export DISPLAY=0:0; xhost localhost" [14:22] ok, and I would do that on like tty2 or something? [14:22] AFFORDABLE KVMs KILL high res graphics [14:22] When I plug mine in, the display looks smeared. [14:23] well i dont need good graphics for it, I will just need some x support to get things up and running, then once its up and runing I won [14:23] wont need to do that anymore [14:24] From what machine to what machine? [14:24] VNC maybe? [14:24] What is alienbob's repo link? [14:24] im thinking it might be eaiser to just buy a monitor switch [14:24] What are you trying to do? [14:25] Mowah (~Mowah@c-988fe555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:25] well I have one program that requires an xwindow environment, and its my ebook server program called calibre [14:26] Simple fix: TightVNC [14:26] and I want that running on my AMD 3500 [14:26] if you are connecting two linux boxes, remote X one of them [14:26] TightVNC never heard of it, is it an official package or on sbo? [14:26] It's an extra [14:27] VNC is WONDERFUL for administering a bunch of local boxes [14:27] ya, u just only need to remote x one time to load calibre and get it running, then I wont need to do it anymore, unless I lose power or something [14:27] cool, do I need to put that on both machines? [14:27] are most kernel heades located in /usr/src/linux-/include, after compilation? [14:27] or just the guest [14:27] When you insstall the Tight VNC package, it installs both rthe server and the client and yes, on both boxes. [14:28] ok [14:28] tsccof: should also be in /usr/include as well [14:28] thanks [14:28] When you disconnect, the x session stays running also [14:28] oh good [14:28] . /usr/src/linux should point to the source of the current kernel [14:28] Very easy KaMii [14:28] i mainly just ssh all the time, but that one program needs x running [14:29] one gotcha ia that the VNC display:1 is NOT your local screen [14:29] alisonken1home: but in case I am building a package called linux-headers-2.6.35.3, after compiling 2.6.35.3, I should build the package using /usr/src/linux-2.6.35.3/include ? [14:29] 0 is local? [14:29] when you run X on your box, that's display 0, the first vnc is display 1 [14:29] Mowah (~Mowah@c-988fe555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [14:29] yup, i assumed, seems a lot of things begin with 0 [14:29] tsccof: if it's headers, then as long as the package is using the correct header directory for the version of the package, that should be ok [14:30] might want to run it past a dev to be sure [14:30] cpus start with 0 also, not sure why, i thought 0 meant off in machine code [14:30] Also, on Slackware, display 1, 2,3 ,4... are set to start TWM and not your chosen wm [14:30] I forgot where but in one of the config scripts, you tell it to start your WM of choice [14:31] RvTx (~diego@49.pool85-49-132.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:31] oh ok, i will read through the txt files [14:31] alisonken1home: thank you! also glibc must be recompiled against the new headers, right? [14:31] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:31] there's a whole thread on compiling the kernel and gcc issues - don't have the link with me right now [14:32] robotghost (~robotghos@75-137-69-192.dhcp.mtgm.al.charter.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:33] SlackLnx (~SlackWare@bl13-163-146.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:34] Roin (~florian@p5B2BBF0F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: bbl [14:36] Alright what is the difference between computer science and computer engineering? [14:36] wth... weeks long traffic jam in China??? [14:36] how is that possible? [14:36] KaMii, lots of people there. [14:37] China has 1/4 the world's population??? [14:37] I'm proud of China. :D [14:37] ya but weeks? [14:37] rhisa: computer engineering are the guys that make the silicon stuff (hardware), computer science are the guys that delv into the code to make the silicon do fun things [14:37] people would die [14:37] KaMii, no, it just means traffic is that long, not people are stuck for that long. [14:37] And only one week. [14:37] No, they aren't addicted to the internet like you K [14:37] not the news article I read [14:37] China will set records in the coming time. [14:37] it says people are stuck in their cars [14:37] KaMii, sigh. Not for 9 days, trust me. [14:37] i hope not [14:38] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:38] alisonken1home, I am deciding to get an associate in compsci then get a bachelor when I transfer in compeng. Not sure if that's wise. [14:39] forget school, its a waste of time [14:39] Do you know Mandarin rhisa ? [14:39] arfon, yes. [14:39] Then, you'll be good in any electrical/comp field [14:39] Thanks. [14:40] Rule of thumb- don't pick a career in an outsourcible field... [14:40] KaMii, I have too much opportunities to pass up. I'm in the honor program atm. [14:40] Action: alisonken1home chuckles at arfon [14:40] And I can transfer to just about any college in NY, including Columbia. [14:40] <--- Was an EE [14:40] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [14:40] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:40] So I'm not passing this opportunity up. [14:40] <--now a T1 monkey [14:40] Going to Columbia University is not something easily done, so I'm going to give it a shot. [14:40] Well.. did you go to an Ivy league? [14:40] League [14:40] Me? [14:40] Yep.\ [14:41] Cause you make it sound like you are poor. lol [14:41] KaMii, hope you know Chinese - http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/08/23/china.traffic.jam/index.html#fbid=pf5M8k38Bhr&wom=false [14:41] I am so happy CNN is now using Chinese instead of English. [14:41] No but, when the manufacturing and development move overseas, you can be an un-employed doctorate easily [14:41] arfon, not me. My life is even better then. [14:41] :] I am guaranteed survival lhere. [14:42] here* [14:42] You can speak mandarin :) [14:42] ..and you are Chinese... BIG plus [14:42] Yes, I am also multi-citizenship. [14:42] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) left irc: Quit: Changing server [14:42] This is why I thank God everyday for being open minded. I am not a racist like some people I know here who see China as evil and refuse anything to do with China or any other nation for that matter. [14:42] I know Arabic too. [14:42] You'll be fine until China grows too much and then everything moves to India... :) [14:42] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.173.231.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:42] how can I open a telnet daemon for connecting remotely to my desktop? [14:42] So I can always go to ME, Western China, Eastern Asia, etc. [14:43] Mowah (~Mowah@c-988fe555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:43] fadein (fadein@gnu.mtveurope.org) joined ##slackware. [14:43] Yep, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc. [14:43] I can live in the 6 stars hotel if I succeed in Columbia. [14:43] Yeah, the middle east is too unstable for it to become a manufacturing center anytime soon [14:43] Depends. [14:43] No company is going to dump money into factories when you have ppl blowing themselves up... [14:44] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [14:44] That's a very small proportion. [14:44] Lots of companies in ME at the moment. [14:44] All I know is, if I keep this up, I'll be well off. I just need to work hard. [14:44] Things will go to india before the middleeast [14:44] Psh. I don't mind. [14:44] Shoot Vietnam is starting to look good [14:45] They speak Urdu and other similar languages.. I can recognize Indian words. [14:45] It will be a long time before China loses it's manufacturing edge [14:45] They use the same Arabic alphabet. [14:45] I don't mind. :) As long as no CIA try to imprison me like they did with our beloved scientist, then no problemo. [14:45] Which.. CIA has been trying to do. [14:45] :| [14:46] I'm Taiwanese btw, to be more accurate. [14:46] I can't comment on that.... I try not to talk politics or religion... [14:46] I was born there. [14:47] Um, okay.... [14:48] Just a clarification. It's like calling a Korean a Japanese. It doesn't sit well with them. [14:48] rhisa: i know some japanese but not chinese [14:48] and my kanji sucks [14:48] I know Taiwan had a native population but, If it wasn't already purely chinese, Chang Ki Shek's people bred them out.... [14:48] Kanji is Chinese btw. [14:49] arfon, as far as I know, the indigenous Taiwanese welcome the Chinese. [14:49] i know, and I only know about three kanji characters [14:49] And to this day, want to unite with China, moreso than the Taiwanese do. [14:49] KaMii, heh. [14:49] For my curosity, what's the difference? [14:49] arfon, between what? [14:49] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [14:49] Taiwanese and chinese (and don't say nationailty) [14:49] Well, not much then. [14:50] Any? [14:50] Not that I know of. Other than the flag, we use the same everything. [14:50] location [14:50] SOUL_OF_R00T (~0xff00@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [14:50] Oh yeah, location. [14:50] dustybin (~dustybin@78-86-171-176.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:50] If China attacked Taiwan, that we count that as a civil war. [14:52] Even Taiwanese gov't has said it is part of China and even US does not recognize Taiwan as an independent nation. [14:52] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [14:52] (I would count it as a speed bump for the chinese) [14:52] isnt it the UN that needs to recognize? [14:52] Heh. [14:52] KaMii, maybe but the UN is useless. [14:52] true [14:53] but too many europeans love the un, i dont get it [14:53] Well it's not a bad idea, really. [14:53] http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/08/24/drc.rebels.rape/index.html#fbid=pf5M8k38Bhr&wom=false [14:53] i think it should be renamed to ummmm [14:53] beacuse thats what they do [14:53] This just happened today, what does the UN do? Nothing. [14:53] exactly, ummmmmm [14:53] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:53] United Abominations, Megadeth's song [14:53] the un will make a decision on what should have happened, after its all over [14:53] Um, that's funny [14:54] I just know right now, I had zero opportunities and I hit rock bottom. And today, all this opportunities flow to me especially ever since I became Muslim. I have nothing but appreciation. [14:54] I used to be suicidal and depressed. :( [14:54] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [14:54] tsccof (tsccof@189.73.163.130) left ##slackware. [14:54] And wanted to cut myself and swallow cyanide (to this day I could not buy it anywhere, too hard to acquire without medical ID). [14:55] ...and then you found Slackware? [14:55] Occasionally I google "cyanide shop" or something but it all ends up with "nope, not worth it, you have all this, now is not the time to give up". [14:55] I found Slackware like 10 years ago. [14:55] During floppy. [14:55] How could you be depressed with Slackware in your life? [14:55] JR Dobbs is just so happy looking.... [14:55] akmalhamdani (~giantpand@114.124.175.92) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [14:55] Haha, I also became a minister for JR Dobbs btw. [14:56] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.8) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [14:56] great. [14:57] Moral of the story? Eat your vegetables. [14:57] To be honest, I never understood the whole sub-genius thing.... I truely think it is what the result of ALOT of drug use. [14:57] Have you guys heard of NYIT? Is it good? [14:57] Nope. [14:57] arfon, to make fun of everything. The idea was to make fun of everything because life shouldn't be taken that serious. You never get out of life alive anyway. [14:58] Raggs (~x@99-29-0-126.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:58] Remember this saying? "Don't take life too seriously. You won't make it out alive anyway." [14:58] Correction: I haven't heard of it. [14:58] lol :o [14:59] What if you die of Hypothermia and then they figure out how to revive you....? [14:59] Oh great. :') [15:00] Did I just give you another thing to worry about in life? [15:00] No. [15:00] lamah_ (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [15:02] Hm Cornell University looks like a good choice too. [15:03] Do you have grants/scholarships? [15:03] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [15:05] Neither. Scholarships I dunno where to look at. [15:05] You need to talk to your college financial aid ppl [15:05] They can point you to money [15:06] dustybin (~dustybin@78-86-171-176.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:06] (just try and minimize student loans) [15:06] foofighters DOA [15:06] Wut? [15:06] they said that in their song [15:06] Oh. [15:06] ..and from left field, KAMII! [15:06] They said I don't qualify then cause I don't take full time schedules. I can't atke full time schedules because, well, all of my classes are math and you get the idea. I only take one class at a time. [15:07] lol [15:07] I was doing the dishes and came back and saw that [15:07] i hate dishes.... HATE [15:07] not surprising. most scholariships and financial aid are for full time students [15:07] Why don't you throw some boring stuff in there like English, Sociology, Racketball? [15:07] alkos333 (~alkos333@184-204-245-197.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] I already took those general education classes that are required of me. [15:08] I thought I could save the hardest classes for last. So I did just that. [15:08] So you've completed all of your 100's and 200'? [15:08] Yeah. [15:08] Why don't you throw some dishes? Plates fly well. [15:08] Something is fishy there, talk to someone else... [15:09] novel idea: talk to the professionals. financial aid office. [15:09] ...and from right field rob0 [15:10] Hm I'm confused. What's fishy? [15:10] Don't throw dishes, you'll get cut. [15:10] That your financial aid people can't help you.... [15:10] I already went to them. [15:10] im not greek, so im not allowed to break the dishes [15:10] (rob is safe, he uses pizza boxes) [15:10] And.. I just told you what they told me. [15:11] and... I said, talk to someone else. :P [15:11] and i said, school is pointless, just dont do it [15:11] KaMii, are you in college? [15:11] KaMii: is learning Auto-repair [15:11] ...and welding [15:11] no [15:12] but i dont ever plan on going to university [15:12] Well, I hope you aren't studing cooking! [15:12] hahha [15:12] firefighting [15:12] arfon: i can cook, my food tastes good, but i just end up burning the kitchen down when I do it [15:12] KaMii: Firefighting is PUTTING OUT fires..... [15:13] not in faranheit umm, whats the name of that book? [15:13] 451 [15:13] ya [15:13] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-2-200.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:13] Centigrade 205 [15:13] thats the european version [15:13] haha [15:13] (when published in Sweden) [15:14] lmao [15:14] :) [15:14] It's printed on A4 paper [15:14] A4 ftw [15:14] robotghost (~robotghos@75-137-69-192.dhcp.mtgm.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:14] it makes logical sense [15:14] the A system for paper [15:14] yeah it does..... NOT [15:14] ya it does [15:14] A1 is the largest [15:15] a4 for books? you're insane [15:15] A2 is A1 cut in half [15:15] especially for novels [15:15] A4 is A1 cut four ways [15:15] ananke: ebooks [15:15] KaMii: huh? [15:15] ebook != printed a4 [15:16] The A series cuts is too tall and narrow. I'll take plain old Letter sized. [15:16] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:17] is=are [15:18] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [15:18] i like A4 I think the other size is too small [15:18] BTW, ananke, I have quite an A4 book collection! The Color-Me series are all A4 [15:18] hahaha [15:18] arfon: and how many novels do you have in that size? [15:19] connect the dots is best on A1 [15:19] Color-Me "At the post office", Color-Me "Go shopping".... etc [15:19] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:19] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:19] ananke: who makes books in 8 1/2" / 11" ? books always use a different size [15:19] Color-Me "Billy goes to school" [15:20] ALL of my note books are that size KaMii [15:20] what is arfon talking about? [15:20] KaMii: you tell me. you're the one talking about fahrenheit 451 printed onA4 [15:20] Most of my library are 8.5x11 :) [15:20] i never said it was printed on A4 [15:21] most my books are ebooks [15:21] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:21] novels are mostly small size though [15:21] like pocket book [15:21] KaMii: my mistake. looks like i confused your comments with arfon's [15:22] lamah_ (~lamah@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: disconnecting. [15:22] Tee hee, stirring up stuff is fun. [15:23] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [15:23] lolz arfon gets one point [15:23] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [15:24] :) [15:24] dustybin (~dustybin@78-86-171-176.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:25] arfon: at least with you i know that you're joking :) [15:25] NEVER take me seriously [15:25] :) [15:28] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.173.231.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:28] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-141-202.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:30] hey, will mutt SEND smtp? [15:30] smtp is a protocol [15:31] you know what I meant :P [15:31] mutt is a mail client, you need an mta [15:31] hey, will mutt send e-mail via smtp or do I need yet another app? [15:31] you would need an mta [15:32] Sooo, how does mutt get the outgoing emial to an mta? [15:32] alkos333 (~alkos333@184-204-245-197.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:33] does it write it to a spool or does it send it via smtp? [15:33] Newer mutt has weakened the original opposition to SMTP. I think the mutt we have in 13.1 will speak SMTP. [15:33] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [15:33] nice [15:33] mutt will use the smtp protocol to connect to the mta that will send the email [15:33] That's what I was hoping for [15:34] In the past, you had to patch mutt to get that. [15:34] THATS what I was afraid of. [15:34] Or, set up a SMTP nullclient. [15:35] spectre (~kyle@clsm-208-111-243-198-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:35] I have access to my ISP's mta for sending mail, i didn't want to end up with my outgoing mail sitting in a spool file looking stupid at me. [15:36] in that case you can simply configure mutt to use that mta [15:36] that's my plan... [15:37] I've got getmail snagging my mail into some maildirs... now, I just have to get mutt going [15:37] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:37] I wanted to use pine but I understand that it's maildir support is broken. [15:37] alpine's the way to go if you want the pine family anyways [15:38] whats witht he dj on the radio, i think hes in love with cascada [15:38] Is Slackware 13.1's alpine package patched for maildir? [15:39] these days mutt allows one to use an external mta with something like so: set smtp_url="smtp://mail.myungodlyspyingisp.com" [15:39] alpine needs a patch for maildir? [15:39] that would go in your muttrc, change to the approproate MX of course. [15:39] I already have pine working directly with POP, if I could get it to work with local maildirs, I'd be set.... [15:40] spectre (~kyle@clsm-208-111-237-222-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] rob0: I can't read it because it's all bold to me but: http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/info/maildir.html [15:41] hmm, seems so, tried it here [15:42] My life is hard [15:42] I also understand that that patch is broken rob0 [15:43] Someone told me that it doesn't fully support maildir. :( [15:43] mancha: Is thet the only line you need to set for smtp? [15:43] damn, weird. mutt is fine with maildir since way back when. [15:43] arfon unless there are specific auth requirements [15:44] Yeah, it requires auth [15:44] mac- (mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:44] hi [15:44] do we have in Slack repository Postfix package ? [15:44] then you'll need to specify the algo [15:44] spectre (kyle@clsm-208-111-237-222-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) left ##slackware. [15:44] mac-, should be on slackbuilds.org [15:44] mac-, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/postfix/ is as close as you'll get [15:44] My life is hard [15:45] but I have to compile it - if it is in primary repositury ? [15:45] nope [15:45] and you'll need to specify smtp://u@h:pw@mx [15:45] or somethign along those lines. [15:46] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.197.177) joined ##slackware. [15:46] so set smtp_url="smtp:ardon@slackware:lifeizhard//mail.myungodlyspyingisp.com" [15:46] Got it [15:46] Mowah (~Mowah@c-988fe555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:46] I am trying to configure wireless without much success. [15:46] I have Broadcom chip so I installed the b43* drivers. [15:47] I edited rc.inet1 and rc.wireless.conf [15:47] I think b43 needs firmware. [15:47] and set the smtp_authentication to the proper mechanism, say digest-md5 or wgatever your isp uses [15:47] SOME require the firmware... :/ [15:47] foobarz (~x@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:47] I hate stinkin Broadcom! [15:47] In rc.inet1.conf, I have commented out the eth0 [15:47] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [15:48] linXea (~Slackytux@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [15:48] Ethernet still shows up. [15:48] you should edit neither rc.inet1, nor rc.wireless.conf [15:48] arfon, in what sequence are we supposed to install the b43 files? [15:48] he said .conf thrice` [15:48] klean, did you read the b43 drivers pages about the firware and fwcutter and etc.? [15:48] 15:43 kleanchap| I edited rc.inet1 and rc.wireless.conf [15:49] hum hum [15:49] :> [15:49] In rc.inet1.conf, I have commented out the eth0 [15:49] :P [15:49] I have trouble [15:49] following people [15:49] ok so he did both [15:49] who continually [15:49] push enter [15:49] I have wlan0 uncommented and configured. [15:49] First let me say kleanchap, I NEVER got the b43 drivers to work... I ended up using the linuxant wrapper [15:50] and I have commented out the eth0. When I run ifconfig (after reboot) eth0 still gets listed. [15:50] But , if you wade through the b43 pages, soe chipsets require the firmware, some don't [15:50] kleanchap, it shouldn't make (in a perfect world) any difference whether eth0 is commented or uncommented to wlan0 [15:50] It's a mess [15:50] jnylin (~jnylin@c-4171e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:51] ilker (~ilker@last.fm/user/ilker) left irc: Quit: reboot [15:51] arfon, How do I use the linuxant wrapper with the broadcom card? [15:51] ok, does wlan0 show up in ifconfig -a ? [15:51] no [15:52] well, does the wireless card show up, be it wlan0, eth1, whatever [15:52] It's eth0 and loopback [15:52] ok, have you loaded the module with modprobe ? [15:52] It's been years but, go to www.linuxant.com and I thin it's called wrapperdriver? [15:52] lsmod does list b43* modules. [15:52] can you remove and try to reload it ? [15:52] it/theme * [15:52] them [15:52] You need the windows drivers and IF it works, it was costing $14. [15:52] Hold on...I will try [15:53] But, It works for me on my old Presario [15:53] broadcom should work quite nicely without such hacks [15:53] ilker (~ilker@88.241.146.78) joined ##slackware. [15:53] It should but, I fought with it for days before giving up. [15:53] kleanchap, before you can do anything to rc.inet1.conf, wlan0 (or whatever your wireless card is) needs to exist [15:53] ilker (~ilker@88.241.146.78) left irc: Changing host [15:53] ilker (~ilker@last.fm/user/ilker) joined ##slackware. [15:53] (I"m still not convinced :> ) [15:54] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:54] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [15:54] The b43 mods would load and wlan0 would appear but the adapter just would not work... [15:54] kleanchap, you did this too? http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/b43-fwcutter/ [15:55] windows drivers $$ ? [15:55] Unloading and loading the modules hasn't worked. [15:55] The system is a P4. [15:55] I think it has 2 cores. [15:55] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:55] kleanchap, how did you install the firmware ? using the cutter tool? [15:55] The kernel is 2.6.33-4-smp [15:56] thrice`, sbopkg [15:56] did you use the cutter tool too ? [15:56] thrice`, no [15:56] the apple iBook G4 ppc is 64 bit architecture right? [15:56] heh [15:56] kleanchap, read these: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/b43-firmware/ ; http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/b43-fwcutter/ [15:57] thrice`, How do I use it? [15:57] sigh [15:57] :) [15:57] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/b43-firmware/ [15:57] kleanchap, it's text, you read it, and then try to understand it [15:57] Where's the fw-cutter instructions? :)) [15:57] kleanchap, read the readme [15:57] s [15:57] if the ppc is 64 bit arch, then wouldnt it be probable to port 13.1 64 over to slackintosh? [15:58] BTW, I think b43 needs firmware. ;) [15:58] the firmware package *uses* the cutter within the script [15:58] and with 'set -e' in that script, I doubt you even have the firmware package installed [15:58] troy_ (~troy@dsl-67-204-11-192.acanac.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:58] since that command surely failed while building [15:58] KaMii: no, different low-level instructions. [15:58] troy_ (~troy@dsl-67-204-11-192.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. [15:58] oh... so much for me brainchild idea [15:59] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [16:00] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.197.177) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:00] YES! THROUGH STUDYING! I have found out how to make a kernel patch!~! [16:00] I feel so smrt! That's s-m-r-t! [16:00] but what are you patching? [16:00] and is it going upstream? [16:01] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-47-128.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:02] ok well maybe those aren;t relevant questions :P [16:02] making a kernel patch is easy [16:02] making a _useful_ kernel patch, not so much :P [16:03] lol [16:03] and having upstream accept it is well... [16:03] the WoW kernel patch is most useful [16:03] Did you get Wow working again? [16:04] worked once, then never again [16:04] dont know why... [16:04] adrien, how's it going? [16:04] i think its because Im trying to connect to free server [16:04] ashe (~ashe@125.166.174.223) joined ##slackware. [16:04] doesn't sound very useful to me.... [16:04] arfon: it was working all great and fine, then sorcerer killed my HDD [16:05] dive: fine, thanks, and you? [16:05] only thing is I'm a bit tired because of the journey, and moving nabucho around [16:05] adrien, fine mate - r&r && beer & cheezeburgers [16:05] You mean, sorcerer made your data..... disappear? [16:06] it wrote LVM+ to my drive [16:06] remember [16:06] adrien, travelling again? [16:06] and I lost all the data [16:06] it's not particularly light: PSU, 3 disks, mobo+cpu+heatsink, tons of clothes around [16:06] dive: I'm back behind my static IP ;-) [16:06] nice [16:12] alkos333 (~alkos333@173.7.122.39) joined ##slackware. [16:17] aarchvile (~aarchvile@ip-37.viapori.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:19] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [16:20] SOUL_OF_R00T (~0xff00@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:27] derek_do (~tonnni@212.183.140.52) joined ##slackware. [16:28] http://pastebin.com/mHbL5hnY anyone tell me why make gives me errors ? [16:28] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-28-68.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:31] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:31] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[16:37] 1) download patch, 2) extract tarball, 3) cd directory && apply patch, 4) autoreconf, 5) make [16:37] troy_ (~troy@dsl-67-204-11-192.acanac.net) left irc: Quit: Konversation terminated! [16:37] troy_ (~troy@dsl-67-204-11-192.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. [16:37] ok i see thanks for help thrice [16:38] sure, hope it works ;) [16:38] me too :) [16:38] WildWizard (~michael@ppp118-208-17-166.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:38] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) left irc: Quit: Usar Linux amacia o cabelo [16:41] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) joined ##slackware. [16:42] SOUL_OF_R00T (~0xff00@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [16:44] alkos333 (~alkos333@68-30-44-120.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] ilker (~ilker@last.fm/user/ilker) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:49] ViN86 (~blah@TRMITDESK.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. 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Each time I configure a new I don't remember the kernel modules I set but obviously I saved the config to refer about modules later. But do it exist a way to automatically load modules at startup without specify it in rc.modules ? [18:54] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) left irc: Quit: Usar Linux amacia o cabelo [18:54] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.25.9) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:54] abh0r (~abh0r@200-168-43-210.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:56] is ntpd started automatically by default? [18:56] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:56] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.30.9) joined ##slackware. [18:57] check if /etc/rc.d/rc.ntpd is +x ? [18:57] abh0r (~abh0r@200-168-43-210.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [18:57] janemba: yes, it's actually the default way: modules should be automatically loaded [18:57] Action: adrien -> bed [18:58] adrien: it is not the case each time I have to set it in rc.modules, how can I correct this ? [18:58] which module? [18:59] video ones, ... [18:59] for webcam? [18:59] ah, it is now [19:00] and so all I need to do is edit /etc/ntp.conf and add my server? [19:00] adrien: nop for my graphical card [19:00] which card? nvidia? radeon? nouveau? fglrx? intel? sis? ... ? [19:00] nouveau [19:00] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-141-202.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: mon ordinateur c'est mon copain [19:01] nouveau is blacklisted, you removed the blacklist? [19:01] oooh no :) [19:01] ok I understand [19:01] =) [19:01] so rc.modules is not needed anymore [19:01] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:02] see /etc/modprobe.conf/blacklist (or something like that) [19:02] ok thx [19:05] /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf [19:07] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:11] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [19:13] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: [19:14] atof (~jason@58.69.78.120) joined ##slackware. [19:15] ashe (~ashe@125.166.174.223) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:15] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [19:15] woh3 (~will@nv-71-2-72-53.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] ashe (~ashe@125.163.34.41) joined ##slackware. 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[20:17] C00re (slakker@h-36-48.A204.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Changing host [20:17] C00re (slakker@unaffiliated/c00re) joined ##slackware. [20:23] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.114) joined ##slackware. [20:25] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [20:27] C00re (slakker@unaffiliated/c00re) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:29] am0rphis (~ewq@79.124.187.73) joined ##slackware. [20:30] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.114) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:30] Coore (~korv@unaffiliated/c00re) joined ##slackware. [20:32] anyone experienced that oidentd suddenly just stopped working? [20:33] sinuhe (~sinuhe@206.40.200.147) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:34] catting /var/log/messages says succesful tho, but with wrong reply [20:36] dengeoniere (~g@w005.z209031033.sjc-ca.dsl.cnc.net) joined ##slackware. [20:36] so ok how get sparc ISO? [20:36] ;) [20:37] of slackware ? [20:39] arfon (~arfon@adsl-75-54-80-48.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:39] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [20:42] Ok, I need some guidance as to how to recompile an official slackware package.... [20:42] alright, how far have you gotten? [20:42] Sappys (~Sappy@84.237.184.173) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:42] I snagged the entire contents of /slackware64-13.1/source/n/alpine/ [20:42] good start :> [20:42] And I'm going to apply a patch to the source [20:42] do you have the patch too ? [20:42] Then what? Don't I have to diff something? [20:43] what does the patch look like ? paste / linky? [20:43] ..and spread fairy dust to get it back to a slackware package? [20:43] Getting patch link [20:43] hang on [20:43] http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/info/maildir.html [20:44] specifically: http://staff.washington.edu/chappa/alpine/patches/alpine-2.00/maildir.patch.gz [20:44] alright, sec [20:44] you have it as that, exactly ? maildir.patch.gz too ? [20:45] yes sir [20:45] Apparentl;y Eduardo isn't very creative in filenaming [20:45] ok, so patches get applied after you extract the source, but before you start configuring and making. in that slackbuild, you can see where pat applies one already (manpage.diff.gz) [20:46] DO! [20:46] DOH! [20:46] Are you sure??? [20:46] your patch looks like it will apply with the same -p1 option, so I would simply copy and paste his line just below, and change the file name [20:46] zcat $CWD/alpine.manpage.diff.gz | patch -p1 --verbose || exit 1 [20:46] from the SlackBuild :. [20:47] akmal (~giantpand@182.1.112.208) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:47] add a line just after, like: zcat $CWD/maildir.patch.gz | patch -p1 --verbose || exit 1 [20:47] nachox (~Ignacio@133-74-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [20:47] Thrice, you are da man [20:47] Hi. [20:47] Has anyone here ever written a kernel patch that went upstream? [20:47] Did Pat ever? [20:47] arfon, save the slackbuild, be sure the patch exists in that DIR too, then just execute the slackbuild [20:48] Sweet! I added the line, cross my fingers.... [20:50] is there a netinstall cd for salck? [20:50] can I install from cd1? [20:50] dengeoniere, the default install cd should support net installs already [20:51] So all official slackware packages are now built from slackbuilds? [20:51] arfon, they always have been :> [20:51] ftp://slackware.oregonstate.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-13.1-iso/ where the .iso files? [20:51] I swear I remember having to diff something to remake a package.... [20:52] dengeoniere, I know it's a strange thing, but did you try the README.1st? [20:52] where? [20:53] in the link you just provided [20:53] starts with an "R," and ends with a "EADME.1st" [20:54] it describes why there aren't potentially .iso files in there [20:54] ha! [20:54] I went to the http and it doesnt show [20:55] ok [20:55] Well, it looks like it worked. TY Thrice [20:55] you can try and hunt for a mirror which provides .iso files (slackware.no comes to mind), or grab a torrent from slackware.com/torrents [20:56] endersending (~endersend@208.123.33.92) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:56] arfon, sure, upgradepkg --reinstall it from /tmp and you should be good :> [20:56] I already removed the old one and installed the new [20:56] It starts up and see my config file correctly [20:57] Why is email such a pain in the @$$? [20:57] lol [20:57] Rafael_Oliveira (~rafaeloli@189.83.13.210) joined ##slackware. [20:57] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:57] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [20:59] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@200.204.237.153) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [20:59] utah works 460K [21:00] never tried slack [21:00] been using archlinux [21:00] ShinyDarkness (~eduardo@201.230.80.82) joined ##slackware. [21:00] fbsd openbsd netbsd [21:00] redhat for work [21:00] slack covers sparc which is interesting [21:00] ;) [21:00] mm, it does? [21:03] i've not heard of a slackware for sparc since... ever [21:03] really? [21:03] really. [21:03] so the install cd wont work? [21:03] chendy (~chendy@183.17.31.95) joined ##slackware. [21:03] doh! [21:03] nope [21:03] which are you downloading? 32-bit, 64-bit? the answer is 'no' for either :p [21:04] http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-13.1-iso/ yeah looks like 32 [21:04] was sparc dropped? [21:04] dengeoniere: uhmm, when it comes to official slackware, then your only options are x86 and x86_64 [21:04] sparc was never there [21:04] Sparc was plugged [21:04] I have never seen an official sparc in about 7 years using slackware, could have been there before I suppose [21:05] Q: Is my hardware supported by Slackware? [21:05] Slackware supports all of the hardware that the Linux kernel supports. In addition, you may be able to find drivers for other hardware by looking around. For specific information on your hardware, check out the Linux Hardware Compatibility HOWTO. In addition to the Intel architechture, Slackware works on Alpha and SPARC systems as well. [21:05] SPARC [21:05] DURgod (~DURgod@24-247-210-79.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:05] someone needs upgrade the FAQ [21:05] :) [21:05] hehe, we know [21:05] dengeoniere: what's the link? [21:05] you devils [21:05] http://slackware.com/faq/do_faq.php?faq=general#2 [21:05] ..and get rid of the mentions of boot/root floppies [21:05] we don't control the web site [21:05] outside of the homepage, the site doesn't get much attention :0 [21:05] and yeah. the website needs some major overhaul. has needed it for years [21:05] since 8.0 to be precise [21:06] Imiss color.gz [21:06] try and get a 8M netinstall cd going like openbsd [21:06] ;) [21:06] all it needs is some dancing hamsters and it will be an authentic antique website [21:06] ShinyDarkness (eduardo@201.230.80.82) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [21:06] :) [21:06] I quite enjoy its look [21:06] ever see the roving monkey graphic on yahoo self serv website? [21:06] endless comedy [21:07] I changed the jpg to a busty blonde [21:07] it would start a square top left and go around edge fo screen [21:07] all 4 sides [21:08] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [21:09] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [21:09] http://web.archive.org/web/19971224200256/http://slackware.com/ [21:10] ilker (~ilker@last.fm/user/ilker) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:12] Rafael_Oliveira (~rafaeloli@189.83.13.210) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:12] ilker (~ilker@88.241.146.78) joined ##slackware. [21:12] C00re (hard@unaffiliated/c00re) joined ##slackware. [21:13] Here's a good one - Slackware Labs: http://web.archive.org/web/19970605083343/http://www.cdrom.com/ [21:14] awesome :> [21:15] dengeoniere: re sparc, www.splack.org or ftp://ftp.slackware.pl/pub/people/shasta/slackware/unofficial/sparc/tree-10.1-fixed/ [21:15] nachox (~Ignacio@133-74-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:15] Art Arfons Green Monster! :) [21:15] He' spelled it wrong [21:15] Welcome! [21:16] "Official Slackware distribution of Linux. vailable in English, French, Italian, German, Japanese, and European." [21:16] Aww, I cut the A [21:16] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@200.204.237.153) joined ##slackware. [21:16] WHo speaks European? [21:16] people living in that country, Europe. duh [21:17] oh yeah [21:17] it's like over there and stuff [21:17] Those crazy cdrom.com guys.... [21:20] ananke: Europe kicking US's tail duh! [21:21] ananke: PS: Europe is an essembly of countries, much larger then USA or Russia combined. [21:21] Hopsa: as expected from an european: making everything into 'europe vs usa', when usa was never mentioned... [21:22] Most of the latest codings i did was for the US Navy. [21:22] You ? :) [21:22] Hopsa: i have no clue what you're talking about [21:22] Go to bed [21:23] Hopsa: you're really something, aren't you [21:23] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:23] ananke: yes, not like you at all possibly. [21:24] mmkay then. keep on believing that [21:24] nachox (~Ignacio@133-74-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:24] ananke: Ill believe nothings and anythings! :) [21:24] ananke: Free willy :P [21:24] wow. just wow. [21:24] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:25] Lol [21:25] Kids [21:25] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [21:25] you crack me up [21:25] You so sexxi! [21:25] :) [21:26] I really wish koffice wasn't so shitty. such a nice idea [21:26] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [21:26] All office suites are shitty and a bad idea. [21:27] ut: why do you think they're a bad idea? [21:27] because everything winds up in them [21:28] how is that a bad idea? [21:28] Action: ut sobs [21:28] i'm a pretty big excel fan to be honest :> [21:28] how many screenshots must be pasted into power point or word before all the kittens die? [21:28] ut: you still haven't answered the question [21:29] I love getting an attachment of a word document, with only a picture pasted in it :p [21:30] ilker (ilker@88.241.146.78) left ##slackware ("gonna sleep"). [21:32] thrice`: My father and sister wants a program where they can adjust most things, alignments etc but using Open Source kernels and programs etc. At first i let them use "Nvu". It was very good but had a few issues, such as if set all files must be set to this charset and file-charset. Then they used OpenOffice's "soffice -web", thats the same as OpenOffices Writer/Web. This was more reliable, but made mistakes, hard to move around stuff etc. It [21:32] s getting better and better and i feel its good enough for my purposes, but some more effort in this area could be good. [21:33] koffice just fails on such simple levels still. I like the idea of a simpler office suite for minor (non-professional?) needs [21:34] ut: I see your point. Everything is possible and has been done so for ages but perhaps there are enough coders now so that drag and drop etc will work flawlessly ? [21:35] siag office [21:35] or teach them vi [21:35] yeah office suites are kinda wak [21:35] spreadsheet can be cool [21:36] but end up more ubiquitous than people hope [21:36] ;) [21:36] siag office is cool [21:36] scheme! lisp! [21:36] ananke: Maybe its time for GK-Appname-here ? To join forces or are the K-Gang's not up to it ? [21:37] Action: ananke wonders wtf Hopsa is smoking [21:39] Action: ut chuckles [21:39] ananke: Im not like you, but maybe it can be dumb to make similar code using coders pitched against eachothers in contest ? [21:39] Action: ut just wants computers users to know what they're doing, on *any* level. [21:39] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [21:39] wut? [21:39] ut: Go play UT, ill be there shortly! :) [21:40] (Unreal Tournament) [21:40] Action: ut isn't so good at FPSs [21:40] Youll get youe but kicked fo shure :) [21:40] I was getting killed on COD2 and COD4 last night [21:40] Action: alphageek would rather play some Tribes 2 [21:41] I loved Deltaforce 2, Deltforce 3 sucked arse [21:41] all I got were crashes last time I tried to run that. And I think the time before that... [21:42] Then youre using microw winteldoz ? [21:42] not at the moment. [21:42] Then... [21:42] rhisa (~risah@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: rhisa [21:42] Y/n ? [21:42] oh, yes. [21:43] I knew it :) [21:43] didn't know tribes 2 ran on linux, actually. [21:44] I used to play Tribes 1 atleast. Very nice game. [21:44] But i dont play many games nowdays. I played some of this and liked it though: http://machinarium.net/demo [21:45] it does, though there's a bit of hoop jumping because it requires obsoleted libs [21:45] didn't like machinarium ... was too arbitrary. [21:46] This Machinarium game reminds me about of Monkey Iland 1-3 that i finished. Very nice. [21:46] Or ZacMcCrakken or a whole bunch of those nice games where you have to think a bit. [21:47] Maniac Mansion on the Amiga [21:47] Those are the best games i ever played. [21:50] Did anyone play Uridium, Zaxxon, Vectrex machines, Indy 500 with the radio control car controllers (roll wheels) or Atari's Tanks or Jungle Hunt btw ? [21:51] chendy_ (~chendy@183.17.31.95) joined ##slackware. [21:51] A few later games i liked was Ignition and Death Rally. [21:52] ~83-85 maybe [21:52] chendy (~chendy@183.17.31.95) left irc: Disconnected by services [21:52] Ananke: What games did you like ? [21:52] Nick change: chendy_ -> chendy [21:53] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:53] rhisa (~risah@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [21:54] Hm so ed/sed/awk stuff is really confusing. We are on it now. [21:54] Tabmow (terry@freenode/staff/tabmow) joined ##slackware. [21:55] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [21:55] Oh well, this is a new release i made 3 days ago and an update to 0.0.4 for alignment of the icons in buttons: [21:55] http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/gadmin-control-panel/screenshots/GAdmin-Control-Panel.png [21:56] rhisa: Documentations ? [21:56] goj (~goj@p5488F271.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:58] slck-o (~cris@187.112.221.194) joined ##slackware. [21:59] ananke: Why the low profile ? [21:59] chendy_ (~chendy@211.139.143.166) joined ##slackware. [22:00] Wow, the pine maintaier already emailed me back.... [22:00] chendy (~chendy@183.17.31.95) left irc: Disconnected by services [22:00] gadmin. now that explains. meet Hopsa, aka magnus-swe. he's been trolling on #linux for years now. [22:00] Nick change: chendy_ -> chendy [22:01] ananke: explain please ? [22:01] oh? magnus-swe is in here now? [22:01] Dominian: Hopsa == magnus-swe [22:01] Action: Dominian nods [22:01] I saw that portion [22:02] ananke: more than likely the way we have chanmodes on ##linux at the moment is my guess hehe [22:03] maniac mansion? [22:03] I love myth II soulblighter [22:03] man cant stop [22:03] Yeah, thats the stuff! :) [22:05] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [22:05] Did anyone play Frogger btw ? [22:05] har (~harley@c-71-193-120-231.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:06] rhisa (~risah@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: rhisa [22:07] ananke: You are a friend of this Stew dude who i dont like very much atm due to his wish to remove gadmintools in favour of his pay-for-tools for servers ? [22:09] sinuhe (~sinuhe@adsl-75-55-201-218.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:11] ananke: And by trolling you mean helping or pointing out things that can be improved i take it ? [22:12] ^kleanchap (~scotty@p5B11A69F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:13] starcraft was dope [22:14] baldurs gate [22:16] ananke: My applications are on most every server on every university or highschool across the worlds. They are also in most distributions known to man and woman and on kernel.org. Please put down the war-mode. [22:16] Please! [22:17] Cool! The Man Show! :P [22:17] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:18] chendy (~chendy@211.139.143.166) left irc: Quit: c(Í°Þ¥& [22:18] chendy (~chendy@211.139.143.166) joined ##slackware. [22:18] ananke: So ? [22:18] kleanchap (~scotty@p5B11A69F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [22:22] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:22] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [22:23] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-28-68.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:23] Nick change: em -> emma [22:24] dengeoniere: Did you also play http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantasmagoria_%28video_game%29 ? [22:24] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [22:24] Pretty cool, then i liked to finish Codename Veronica etc. Very good games. [22:25] My first 'video game' STTRK1 [22:26] I cant find a reference on it... got an URL ? [22:27] I made a few of my first games. Replicas of the commercial games, "Worms picking fruit" and "Pacman etc" [22:27] Sorry, it was STTR1 [22:27] http://www.dunnington.u-net.com/public/startrek/ [22:27] Thx [22:29] http://rrroberts.50webs.com/stgwb.htm [22:29] HP2000 baby! [22:29] arfon: very cool! [22:29] Altair 8800 [22:29] Pfft! That was luxury [22:29] Thats so cool! [22:29] :) [22:29] What program would be easy to use for burning an iso to cd within slack? [22:29] Gnome Nautilus or Brasero [22:30] k3b [22:30] Brasero is pretty neat i must say [22:30] Can't beat k3b. Never used a more featured or easy-to-use CD burning app before [22:30] k3b works ok as well [22:31] you could cdrecord it but k3b is much easier [22:31] ty [22:31] Hmm, well i like Brasero as well. Test it, itll be all goooood :) [22:31] Np! [22:31] But burning ISOs is the only reason I use K3B rather than USB thumbdrives :) [22:31] Not in stock slackware so I know nothing about it. [22:31] never heard of it [22:32] Why use anything but k3b? It's easy, tons of features, and works perfectly [22:32] well, sometimes you're stuck on cli.... [22:32] MadneX (~Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [22:32] MadneX (~Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:32] gartt: Why are you so eager to tell everyone that k3b is the thing to use ? :) [22:33] Hopsa: Because it's the thing to use [22:33] k3b is pretty solid. [22:33] it also pisses me off that I don't know how to make thunar (or k3b) open an iso directly to burn.... [22:33] There's a saying: If it works great, don't screw with it. K3B works great and does all you need [22:33] Using cdrecord is good too. [22:33] If you can remember the commands [22:33] cdrecord -v -pad speed=1 dev=0,0,0 src.iso [22:34] LSD` (~ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: Quit: .mirrorS arE morE fuN thaN televisoN [22:34] garrt: If you try the others im fairly sure youll be plesantly surprised. [22:35] garrt: Are you still arguing about Kde and Gnome etc ? [22:35] Hopsa: What are you talking about? [22:36] I haven't said a word about desktop environments in years [22:36] K vs G in some sort of useless battle carried out by people who should use both by the count of it all. [22:37] Hopsa: Either you're trolling or you have me confused with someone else. I have no idea what you're talking about.. [22:37] I think theyre all awesome! [22:37] Dont you ? [22:37] Ah, trolling it is [22:38] :) [22:38] Its called Unity. [22:38] That's funny [22:39] I think they are still somewhat too young to appreciate what they are given. [22:39] I'm looking on slackbuilds.org and k3b is not showing up for me. is there a full name instead of the acronem I need to search for? [22:40] Nope, thats acutally the name of that program. [22:40] actually [22:40] hm [22:40] brasero! [22:40] butterball: it's in the default slackwware install [22:41] it's k3b [22:41] its a "3" in there [22:42] Find it butterball ? [22:42] not yet [22:43] Okies, search away dood :) [22:43] I started removing things learning to uninstall and didn't realize that was something I needed and it is not showing up as k3b or K3B [22:43] butterball: It's in the kde directory [22:43] tino27 (~tino27@cpe-71-72-55-39.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:43] slackware/slackware-13.1/slackware/kde/ [22:44] http://ftp.riken.jp/Linux/slackware/slackware-13.1/slackware/kde/k3b-1.91.0-i486-3.txz [22:44] 32 BIT BTW [22:44] arfon not sure what you mean by that [22:44] are you running slackware or slaware64? [22:44] slackware [22:44] 32 bit [22:44] butterball: Open the url and install the program [22:44] k [22:45] 13.1? [22:45] slackpkg works great for these purposes. [22:45] but when you say it is in the kde is that on the slackbuilds.org? [22:45] 13.0 [22:45] no, it's a stock package [22:45] ah [22:45] now I understand [22:46] use this one: ftp://ftp.slackware.pl/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/slackware/kde/k3b-r948463-i486-1.txz [22:46] still learning :) [22:46] ty [22:46] NP :) [22:46] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-123-209.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:47] Learning is the key. [22:48] would it be better to do a fresh install to 13.1 or some kind of upgrade? [22:49] butterball: from? [22:49] 13.0 [22:49] Eh... I always install fresh [22:49] :) [22:49] slackware has an update utility but I don't trust them [22:50] Upgrade is nice, if theres any problems. Backup the data and do a fresh install. Better then trying to rescue something that isnt quite right. More often then not an upgrade will be just fine. [22:50] I back up my /home dir and a few /etc/files that I modify and then reinstall fresh with each new release [22:51] MLanden: Why do you ask a person in #slackware this as soon as you enter the channel ? [22:51] Let me say this... FOR ME, slack 13.0 was a dog. 13.1 is WONDERFUL! [22:52] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [22:53] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:53] MLanden: ? [22:54] Hopsa: hmm? was just asking [22:55] MLanden: Nope, youre not. Ill counter ask, where are you from ? [22:55] Hopsa: why? [22:56] MLanden is a recognized regular here, and the question was entirely legitimate. [22:56] While Hopsa *may* be a regular, the nick is not recognized. [22:56] So the real question is not at all what either of you think it is... [22:57] Verizon GNI - IP System Operations [22:57] 1880 CAMPUS COMMONS DR [22:57] RESTON VA 20191-1512 [22:57] Channel flood from Hopsa -- kicking [22:57] US [22:57] +1.7032954206 Fax: +1. [22:57] Hopsa kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [22:57] Hopsa (~Hopsa@h156n2fls32o256.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [22:57] Sorry [22:57] Whooptishit. Am I supposed to be impressed? [22:57] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [22:58] abh0r (~abh0r@200-168-43-210.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:59] har (~harley@c-71-193-120-231.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:00] tino27 (~tino27@cpe-71-72-55-39.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:02] rworkman: true...thanks [23:06] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:08] OMG, Pine is FINALLY working........... [23:09] What a long PAINFUL trip it's been... [23:11] davimint (~brenda@c-76-123-182-243.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:14] hi, in xfce one usb stick auto mounts ( id-78 ) but the other ( id-b) W95 FAT32 does not? what should I be looking for? [23:15] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a::131) joined ##slackware. [23:18] chendy_ (~chendy@204.152.211.137) joined ##slackware. [23:18] davimint: does it make a /dev node when you plug it in? [23:19] hugh (~hugh@189.138.200.165) joined ##slackware. [23:19] just checked, yes [23:19] hey my friends [23:19] heya hugh [23:20] chendy (~chendy@211.139.143.166) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:20] Nick change: chendy_ -> chendy [23:20] you remember me? [23:20] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:21] MLandem? [23:21] davimint: try mounting it manually with "-t vfat" [23:21] hugh: no [23:22] jcn` (~jcn@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:22] jaja poor memory [23:23] No problem ... [23:24] I have S13.1 and want to reinstall the kernel source. What are the files I need to download? [23:24] hugh: ahh...usb webcam,right? [23:24] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [23:24] Is it headers and source only? [23:24] MLanden: I can mount it myself manually, I was trying to fix this for my son to take school work to a windows pc. .rtf files [23:25] briareus (~briareus@75-173-130-125.albq.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] briareus (~briareus@75-173-130-125.albq.qwest.net) left irc: Changing host [23:25] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [23:27] MLanden: could this be a hal rule problem? [23:27] no,but there isn't problem [23:27] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.246.171) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:28] davimint: yeah...sounds like it...or with udev (with the changes)...could be wrong [23:29] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.128.27) joined ##slackware. [23:29] see you soon.. [23:30] till next time [23:30] bye bye [23:30] later hugh [23:31] regards.. ?/? [23:32] hugh: regards and good luck..;) [23:32] hugh (~hugh@189.138.200.165) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:32] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:32] davimint: when you plug it in..any tell-tell signs show up in dmesg? [23:33] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-178-42.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:33] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [23:34] nachox (~Ignacio@133-74-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:34] LSD` (~ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [23:34] what would you blokes think of a side package manager written in shell, loosely based on pkgtools with a built-in vanilla source repository and a configuration file similar to *BSD/Gentoo's make.conf, where you may configure cflags, etc? [23:35] one where you could download the source code, uncompress it, optimise the compilation using the right flags and install from source as a versatile package with only about 4 commands [23:35] Mlanden: the only thing I see funny is when you unplug it I done see a uid or "media" mount point [23:36] davimint: like a stale node? [23:36] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:36] dngr (~dngr@n112118162127.netvigator.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:39] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [23:39] Mlanden: just had a closer look at dmeg. hal is not picking it up for some reason. [23:39] anyone? [23:41] boo :p [23:42] davimint: what's the make of the stick? using 13.0 here [23:42] honestly, what would you think of it? [23:42] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.126.55.115) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:45] tsccof: i think i would still use pkgtools :p [23:46] but i think tukaani pkgtools does everything you need, besides the make.conf. maybe you could look at them http://tukaani.org/pkgtools/ [23:47] akmalhamdani (~giantpand@182.0.3.113) joined ##slackware. [23:48] or maybe they dont, not sure [23:49] hmm, my tools focuses on portability, it runs on any Linux or BSD [23:49] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [23:49] and probably works on solaris too [23:50] MLanden: Thanks for the help. I'll try again later, long day ahead of me tomorrow. [23:50] arfon (~arfon@adsl-75-54-80-48.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:51] davimint: np...check the fdi files with hal-info...good luck [23:51] davimint (~brenda@c-76-123-182-243.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:52] sahko: I admire tukaani's work, but my tool focuses more on portability, it is based on pkgtools, but it is not a fork, it is a mix of ports, portage and pkgtools [23:53] sahko: I will probably release it first, then ask [23:53] sahko: thanks for the help! [23:53] goj (~goj@p5488F455.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [23:55] neonflux (~neonflux@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:56] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a::131) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:56] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [00:00] --- Wed Aug 25 2010