[00:00] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [00:00] sorry not dual core, dual cpu [00:00] with hyperthreading [00:00] uhhh [00:00] whoever that is... [00:00] does not deserve to have those servers.. [00:01] i know! [00:01] he has no use at all for them [00:01] I think he should give them to me for penance [00:01] :) [00:01] he was just like.. 'looks like a good deal' [00:01] yeah i need one too [00:01] i need a new compile box [00:01] Action: Motoko-chan could use one to replace the P3 surver [00:01] server [00:01] Actually, maybe the P2 server... [00:02] it was faster to compile over the network on ONE of them, than it was to compile it locally on my dualcore athlon x64 [00:02] lol [00:02] s/compile box/pr0n storage [00:02] lol [00:02] lol [00:02] so i got carried away [00:02] within 2 hours, i was making stuff -j15 [00:03] haha, crazy [00:04] my laptop, two xeon servers, my p4 server at home, his core2 laptop, another p4 at his house :D [00:04] hiptobecubic: see I need to find good deals like that [00:04] then I could send one to fuzzbawl for hosting.. then I'd have a real server + the VPS hehe [00:05] hiptobecubic: let me guess, they also take care of the heating right? ;) [00:06] lol [00:06] MKultra420 (n=mkultra@71-90-99-251.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:06] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@71-90-99-251.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:06] MKultra420 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Hoofboy, you're annoying. Go away. [00:06] haha [00:06] lol [00:06] soo true [00:06] i think what he's going to do is put one the bathroom [00:06] to blowdry his hair [00:07] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.144.38) joined ##slackware. [00:08] now i'm looking at this garbage on ebay... here's a p4 xeon... weighs 82 lbs :D [00:09] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [00:12] I really should build one more PC.. one that is headless.. runs slackware.. and all it is .. is a raid array [00:12] hcfd_ (n=hacfed@host86-164-29-36.range86-164.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:13] hcfd_ (n=hacfed@host81-132-45-35.range81-132.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [00:13] Dominian, i just made a little headless junkbox to do my torrenting/webserving and help with compiling [00:13] it's nice to be able to turn off the laptop and not lose torrent time :) [00:13] hehe [00:13] that's one reason I wanna build a dedicatd machine.. just for storage [00:14] and frankly.. those damn NAS boxes you can buy.. are pricey for what they do [00:14] they do have some advantages though. [00:14] nas? [00:15] jonsmith1982: yeah.. being small form factor is nice [00:15] that's about it.. [00:15] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-9-7.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:15] other than a web gui.. and maybe hot swap drives.. which most of the consumer models do not have [00:16] low power consumption [00:16] eh.. my power consumption as it is is not that much [00:16] even with two PCs going 24/7 [00:17] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-17-136-165.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. 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[00:19] you could play hangman [00:19] sounds like you need new batteries [00:20] yeah. my alienware gets more than 12mins [00:20] and its freakin' huge [00:20] ugh, i had a huge ass laptop before this one [00:20] my laptop has 2 freaking hard drives running and it gets more than 45mins [00:20] i loved it as a desktop [00:20] no its never been great, not really tested it but it lasts around 45 mins [00:20] hated everything else [00:21] my laptop gets over 2 hours :) [00:22] i had a thinkpad x60s with an extended battery, which was supposed to last eight hours [00:22] when my batteries were new and i installed both instead of the 2nd HD i could get 6 hrs [00:22] not so good anymore [00:23] 29 Gateway computers (w/o monitors), 1 dell server... $415 [00:24] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:24] i think powertop would help improve my battery. [00:25] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:25] one good thing about this laptop is suspend works flawlessly. [00:26] my suspend is reliable... i just have to press the power button several times to get it to finish waking up [00:27] i also have a neo freerunner which has even less of a bettery life heh [00:28] daren't leave it turned on or in suspend.... because it wil take an age to get charged again. [00:30] has anyone else here had a go with the openmoko phone? [00:39] habanero1 (n=ro0tSlin@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:39] I have a question about partitioning that for some reason I can't find in the FAQ [00:40] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:40] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.24.45) joined ##slackware. [00:41] is it possible to partition less than 60gb to windows if at the moment more than 60 gb or my hard drive is currently used with XP installed? [00:41] or is the partitioning just for the OS itself... [00:41] what? [00:41] ok i'll try to make it clearer [00:41] ParadigmShift: hang on i think i got it [00:41] currently i have XP installed [00:42] you have 60gb to xp now, and yhou want to know if you can do less than that [00:42] right? [00:42] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-9-7.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:42] yeah [00:42] yes you can [00:42] you need partition magic [00:42] you can partition as much as you want for windows, but if you have it installed already, re-partitioning your hard drive will destroy it [00:42] ok, then what happens to all the other data I have on the hard drive? [00:42] get it off torrents [00:42] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.144.38) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [00:42] ohh, but i already have XP installed [00:42] ParadigmShift: if you want to keep your XP and files then get PArtition Magic and do a resize [00:43] yeah what dios_mio said [00:43] do a resize...hmm ok... [00:43] partition magic will let you shrink that 60gb down to 50 say, then use the 10 left over to make an new partition [00:43] now, a resize isnt foolproof so you better backup anything important just in case it destroys your data [00:44] lol [00:44] you mean when [00:44] but normally I would have to partition 60gb for XP and the files and use whatever's left over for slackware? [00:44] is this right? [00:44] if you were starting from scratch you could partition as much of the disk as you want for any os, provided its big enough to hold it [00:45] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*=Dabestin@*.hsd1.ma.comcast.net expired. [00:45] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*=Dabestin@*.hsd1.ma.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:45] ok i think i get it [00:45] someone mentioned to me that I could partition less than 10gb for windows even though I had 60gb taken up by it [00:45] yeah windows will fit i think in less than 4gb [00:46] ParadigmShift, you could, but you would need to get rid of the data... [00:46] ahh ok that's what he didn't tell me, but I guess it was pretty much implied [00:46] you cant put 60gb of data on a 10gb partition [00:46] ok thanks for clearing up the confusion guys [00:46] hope I can get this installed before new years lol [00:47] alkos333 (n=alkos333@24-136-0-177.hwd-bsr1.chi-hwd.il.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [00:47] ParadigmShift: have you tried a live-cd? no need ot mess with partition tables [00:48] unless you just want to install it [00:48] no, I burned an ISO to a DVD [00:48] zuhair (n=zuhair@125.161.182.215) joined ##slackware. [00:48] the slackware install dvd iso? [00:49] uh...i think so I'm not 100% sure [00:49] i downloaded slackware on BT [00:49] used a dvd burner to burn the iso onto a DVD [00:50] so I have a DVD with slackware-install-DVD.iso, .md5, and ..asc [00:50] those 3 files on the disc? [00:50] yeah [00:51] ok you'll need to do that again [00:51] hahah i thought so [00:51] The md5 and asc are for checking the integrity of the iso [00:51] i was supposed to unpack the ISO? [00:51] The ISO is a disc image. [00:51] you dont burn a disc with the iso file on it, you have to open the iso with some burning software (nero or something) and it will "unpack" the iso as you put it onto the disc and all the files will be there [00:51] goddamnit I knew it [00:51] hehe [00:52] OK I'm gonna stop taking advice from a certain person who keeps telling me the wrong info [00:52] lol [00:52] it just didn't seem right [00:52] choose option like "burn ISO image" from any CD-Burning tools [00:53] habaneros (n=ro0tSlin@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:53] ParadigmShift: get CDburnerXP.se (get the old version 3.0.117) and in its file menu pick "write ISO image" [00:53] Huh? [00:54] .se? [00:54] yes that's the urle [00:54] url [00:54] ohh ok [00:54] fluxnuk3r (n=server@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:54] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.24.195) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:54] dont get the latest version. it wants you to install the .NET framework [00:54] What OS is this being burned on? [00:55] I have nero and magicISO And powerISO, but CDburnerXP is better? [00:55] poweriso will burn an iso [00:55] motoko, XP [00:55] well no, they are all the same.. [00:55] Okay, so WIndows. [00:55] Nero will work fine. [00:55] just open it with poweriso and hit burn [00:55] k [00:55] Make sure to set "disk at once" when burning CD images. [00:55] It defaults to TAO, and that doesn't work for the boot part. [00:56] aha, ok thanks motoko good to know [00:57] hcfd_ (n=hacfed@host81-132-45-35.range81-132.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:57] hcfd (n=hacfed@host81-157-105-10.range81-157.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [00:57] firebird619 (i=1000@173-18-62-235.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [00:59] Action: Motoko-chan mostly uses CDRTFE in Windows anymore [01:00] k4i (i=ilj@217.117.75.2) joined ##slackware. [01:00] k4i (i=ilj@217.117.75.2) left irc: Client Quit [01:00] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-9-7.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:00] k4i (i=ilj@217.117.75.2) joined ##slackware. [01:04] habanero1 (n=ro0tSlin@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:05] o btw what's so bad about installing the .net framework? [01:05] It's a huge load of crud that you really don't need to install for one app. [01:05] Although it seems more and more is forcing you to install an extra 100 meg of stuff just to use it. [01:05] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("dont forget the little things can be amazing too!"). [01:05] ahh true unfortunately I need it =( [01:06] Like this little 50kb program I once wanted to use a few years ago. [01:06] It was small, but needed the whole .NET Framework installed. [01:06] And used over 20 megabytes when running! [01:07] is it possible to run such software on linux without using .net? [01:07] What software? [01:07] you cant run windows software on linux [01:07] Windows binaries aren't compatible with Linux. Kinda like how they also don't work on OS X. [01:08] danonura (n=house@unaffiliated/danonura) left ##slackware. [01:08] There is WINE, but it's kinda a hackish compatibility tool. [01:08] It works great when it works (you can run IE6 under it), but it's almost all reverse-engineered. [01:08] yeah that's basically why I'm doing dual boot [01:09] Except for the Adobe apps, I could move my main stuff to Linux at any time. [01:09] there are unfortunately some programs that I can't sacrifice despite how sick I am of using windows products [01:09] I'm thinking of just going VMWare with the new integrated option. [01:09] Unity. [01:09] That's what they're calling it. It's in the newest Player too. [01:09] VirtualBox is great [01:10] I tried VirtualBox, couldn't get it working all that well. [01:10] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:10] Probably me, but I'll stick to what works for now. If I need something it doesn't offer, then I can always try something that does. [01:10] Plus Unity is actually pretty cool. [01:11] I just installed slackware. I am trying to get xorg configured for my monitor. I am in xorgconfig right now and at the monitor part of selecting the horizontal sync range. Which one should I chose? My monitor is a 22" widescreen connected via DVI. The native resolution is 1680x1050. Could someone please help me? [01:13] wow 22" [01:13] cool [01:13] did you try starting X directly without any settings? [01:14] firebird619: X -configure as root in a console ; then mv /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf [01:14] rworkman ok thanks. Without doing anything I only get 1024x768. [01:15] Yeah, that's all the vesa driver can do iirc [01:15] rworkman: Ok. My card is an nvidia Geforce FX5200. Should I switch it to the nv driver? [01:16] firebird619: do what I said a moment ago. [01:17] sticks (n=hyperion@ppp118-208-70-88.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [01:18] rworkman: I will do that now. Thanks alot for the help. This is the first time I have ever used Slackware. [01:19] Congrats and enjoy :) [01:19] rworkman: Thanks [01:20] firebird619 (i=1000@173-18-62-235.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [01:27] Hi, is it a good idea to comment out the fc-cache and ldconfig lines in /etc/rc.M to improve boot time? [01:28] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:28] Miroku (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] sticks, I run that way all the time, I manually call fc-cache if I add fonts (which is rare) and run ldconfig if removing, upgrading, or intstalling packages manually. pkgtool has in setup the fonts stuff, and todo ldconfig, I just run 'ldconfig' as root. I also have the gtk-immodules and update icon hi-color cache off too fwiw. again, I manually run them. actually I wrote a bash script that does all one shot, called it / [01:31] etc/rc.d/rc.gtk-fonts-crapola.sh :D [01:32] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [01:34] dios_mio_ (n=test@88.241.128.153) joined ##slackware. [01:34] Sesshomaru (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:34] Nick change: Sesshomaru -> Guest93463 [01:34] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:34] Old_Fogie, Thanks mate, I'll do as you suggest. I get the idea. Cheers. I just got 12.2 running nicely on my laptop [01:34] Nick change: Guest93463 -> Sesshomaru [01:35] Old_Fogie, care to pastebin that script for the rest of us:)? [01:37] hiptobecubic, http://pastebin.com/d71b8b578 [01:37] Miroku (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:37] really it's just a plajorized version of slack's, I'm on Slack 12.1 tho, keep that in mind :) [01:38] I have about a gig, or icons, the icons one crushes me if that runs on boot, heh [01:39] dios_mio (n=test@88.243.101.230) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:45] hcfd_ (n=hacfed@host86-131-166-14.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [01:47] hcfd_ (n=hacfed@host86-131-166-14.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:47] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:48] CLT_SEQ_0 (n=seq@r9dn22.net.upc.cz) joined ##slackware. [01:48] keitherz (n=b14h3rz@hackthisbox.org) joined ##slackware. [01:49] keitherz (n=b14h3rz@hackthisbox.org) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:49] hcfd (n=hacfed@host81-157-105-10.range81-157.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:50] sticks (n=hyperion@ppp118-208-70-88.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:50] NikkoniX (n=seq@r9dn22.net.upc.cz) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:51] ok from an mailserver newbie here, can I use squirrelmail with slackware's imapd? [01:53] dios_mio_ (n=test@88.241.128.153) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:55] wow Christmas came early for me this year, for *once* an unbiased review of Slackware --> http://www.linux.com/feature/155967 [01:56] hmmm, it's written by a lady, maybe it'll be a Happy New Year too , moo-haahaa :D (just kidding if she's here :-) [01:57] Old_Fogie, thanks :) [01:57] you wrote the article? [01:58] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:58] sherique (n=se@69.150.48.196) left irc: [01:59] Old_Fogie, no lol. For the script. But it's a good article [01:59] hiptobecubic, oh yeah the script, heh, :D [02:01] lyecdevf (n=lyecdevf@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [02:05] nibbles (n=nibbles@unaffiliated/nibbless) left irc: "teco teleco teco. e tenho dito." [02:07] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@71-90-99-251.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com expired. [02:07] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@71-90-99-251.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:10] heherhoo [02:10] automagic ban removal [02:10] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:10] how about using KDE 4 in 12.*? [02:11] sure [02:12] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:16] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-021-122.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [02:17] firebird619 (i=1000@173-18-62-235.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [02:20] big_nig (n=10033799@CPE001c109e8d7d-CM0011ae91a534.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [02:22] Anyone have a Thinkpad with accelerometer hard disk protection? [02:22] i had a macbook pro with it [02:22] and I've messed with em [02:22] straterra: do you know if hdapsd works with it? [02:22] err no idea lol [02:23] http://slackbuilds.org/hdapsd.tar.gz if you want to see. I just reworked that a *lot* to make it a bit more robust (including somethign that usptream should consider), so I want to make sure I didn't break shit. [02:24] Shiner Bock is apparently good for my coding enthusiasm :) [02:24] anavel (n=donna@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [02:25] hai. i upgraded to slack 12.2. problem is, my ps/2 doesn't work anymore. any idea ? [02:25] slackid (n=willysr@125.163.251.150) joined ##slackware. [02:25] is it plugged in anavel ? [02:25] big_nig (n=10033799@CPE001c109e8d7d-CM0011ae91a534.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:26] Old_Fogie: of course. works fine on win32 and slack 12.1. [02:26] anavel, hey I'm only level 1 tech support :) [02:26] be glad I didn't ask you to run a virus scan first :) [02:26] Old_Fogie: oh ok. np :) [02:27] anavel: your playstation 2 or your ps2 mouse? [02:27] I have two hard drives. One is entirely /home. I had to install slackware by disconnecting /home, otherwise I had booting problems. I now have that drive connected again. Is there a command or something I can do so that things such as clicking the House icon in KDE, and other things uses my /home drive instead of the /home created in / during install? [02:27] rworkman: ps2. [02:28] firebird619, you need to create an entry in /etc/fstab for the drive to 'mount' to the /home location [02:28] Old_Fogie: thats all I need to do? [02:28] i was using the default 2.6.27.7-huge-smp kernel. gpm and x doesn't output any error. but the pointer (which should be available on console), does not appear. [02:29] firebird619, yes [02:29] anavel: does the mouse work in console? [02:29] (via gpm) [02:29] Old_Fogie: Great, Thank you. [02:29] firebird619, for example for me, I have "/dev/hda9 /home jfs defaults 1 2" in my /etc/fstab [02:29] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:30] jkwood, pinggg [02:30] Old_Fogie: Mine is /dev/hda1 with ext3 [02:30] Old_Fogie: Would mine also be a 1 2 at the end? [02:30] firebird619, ah ok so it should be "/dev/hda1 /home ext3 defaults 1 2" [02:30] /dev/myvg/home /home reiserfs defaults,notail 1 2 [02:30] i think most any /home is loaded with "1 2" at the end [02:30] ?'myvg'? [02:30] Old_Fogie: Ok. Thank you very much. [02:30] rworkman: i am using "compiled" kernel right now. when i tried to run gpm, it gives this error : oops(): [server_tools.c(76): Could not open /dev/mouse. i've set /dev/mouse to 777. won't do. [02:30] "notail" doesn't apply to ext3 in my example so ignore it [02:31] Old_Fogie, LVM2 [02:31] anavel: reproduce it on the Slackware kernel. [02:31] anavel, ps2 is better as module, and gpm will oops if that's the case (been there failed at that) [02:31] ananke, why do you need gpm? [02:31] err... 777 for /dev/psaux [02:31] anavel: thanks for telling me that it's a custom kernel though; seriously, I appreciate that. [02:31] Old_Fogie: i've compiled it built-in into my "custom" kernel. [02:31] Unless you can reproduce it on the Slackware kernel, though, I'm saying NOTABUG. :) [02:32] anavel, understood, like I said I've done it before, compiling it in, and it was a mess [02:32] rworkman: well, gpm and X does not produce any error. but the pointer (which should be available on the console), does not appear. [02:32] that was when i boot with the default kernel [02:32] anavel, you should only load gpm (fwiw) if you absolutely need to cut and paste text from the console (i.e. when not using the graphical system at all) [02:32] otherwise gpm is only "in the way" in terms of X.org is concerned [02:33] TwinReverb: we're troubleshooting mouse issues; I asked if it works in console via gpm to rule out Xorg issues, and besides, the X/gpm conflicts are long gone. [02:33] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [02:33] oh [02:33] Well, I don't know that they're long gone for everyone, but I've not seen and reports of problems nor have I seen any problems on a variety of hardware in quite some time [02:34] rworkman: uhmm... well if i booted with 2.6.27.7-huge-smp (default) kernel, gpm and X does not produce any error. but the mouse cursor does not appear on console. [02:34] anavel: hrm, nad you upgraded from 12.1, right? [02:34] still, fwiw, "back in the day" gpm would cause Xfree86 / Xorg problems, that's the only reason i brought it up, but i apologize, as i didn't mean to derail the troubleshooting train of thought [02:34] anavel, do you even have a /dev/mouse entry? [02:34] rworkman: yup. 12.1 -> 12.2 [02:35] Old_Fogie: yes. crwxrwxrwx /dev/psaux . /dev/mouse is the symlink to it. [02:35] You have /dev/input/mice? [02:35] anavel, ah ok. you may have to try and fiddle, read the /etc/rc.d/rc.gpm script and man gpm. [02:36] rworkman: yup. [02:36] anavel: psmouse module loaded? [02:36] anavel, anything logged in /var/log/messages ; /var/log/syslog ? [02:36] rworkman: in my "custom" kernel, it's built-in. [02:37] nooper (n=nooper@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:37] ag3ntugly (n=x@doc-72-47-34-211.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [02:37] Old_Fogie: only those gpm errors. [02:38] anavel: can you boot the Slackware kernel for me? I don't like troubleshooting when custom kernels are involved. [02:38] which errors? [02:38] oh I see it [02:38] Old_Fogie: uhmm... scroll up, i am handicapped (read: no mouse) :<. [02:38] rworkman: right. bbl. [02:38] anavel (n=donna@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: "leaving" [02:39] rworkman, I particularaly loved "i upgraded to slack 12.2. problem is, my ps/2 doesn't work anymore" but doesn't mention the "custom kernel" part...lol when did slack automagically make the "custom kernels" on install? [02:40] Saturday :) [02:40] Really now,...hmmm /me goes to check for the 'memo' [02:41] Oh yup, there it is, darn fine print, right next to the "goes well with milk" comment. [02:43] While I'm thinking of it, is it too difficult to do a running upgrade of 12.1 to 12.2? [02:43] anavel (n=donna@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [02:43] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-021-122.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:43] hai. back :) [02:43] no luck. [02:43] I would normally use slackpkg, but the recent major changes in 12 have left me wondering a bit [02:44] rworkman: gpm does not produce any error output, but no cursor on the console. [02:44] follow UPGRADE.txt [02:44] Motoko-chan, whenever anyone asks this, a zillion people say. "no it works fine, just follow upgrade.txt and READ CHANGES AND HINTS.TXT K?" [02:45] Motoko-chan: pretty harmles upgrade. [02:45] hiptobecubic, I was hoping for a more personalized response. [02:45] anavel: try a different mouse. [02:45] Like the one from rworkman [02:45] nooper (n=nooper@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:45] Action: Motoko-chan isn't a n00b [02:45] Motoko-chan: i can personalize it one sec [02:45] rworkman: hmm... it works fine on win32 and slack 12.1 :|. [02:45] Motoko-chan: that's why I say it's a pretty harmless upgrade :) [02:45] I know enough to read those, but was wanting a personal opinion. [02:46] dios_mio (n=test@88.236.182.171) joined ##slackware. [02:46] I know I'm not doing a running from 11.x to 12.x [02:46] Too much changed. [02:46] hehe [02:46] But yeah, 12.1 to 12.2 looked mild. [02:46] yeah i wouldn't even bother trying an incremental upgrade either [02:46] anavel: slackpkg install-new <-- make sure you didn't miss anything :/ [02:46] Motoko-chan: We, the people in ##slackware, wuv joo. peez to be reading upgrade.txt \o/ [02:46] if you're one step from 12.2, upgrade (and use UPGRADE.TXT not any automated tool) [02:46] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.91.77) joined ##slackware. [02:47] if you're more than one step away from 12.2 (i.e. 12 or older) do not upgrade. fresh install. [02:47] nullboy, fu2 [02:47] <3 [02:47] lol [02:47] anavel: hrm. [02:47] and for those of you "one partition" types, if you must, boot 12.2 dvd/cd, mount rw to /mnt, then delete everything but /home from the FS and then unmount and go into setup [02:47] 12.1 to 12.2 was pretty easy upgrade [02:48] anavel: what shows up in dmesg output when it's plugged in? [02:49] rworkman: mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice. [02:49] twinreverb, i got the link on the website to open in pidgin [02:49] i had to go into about:config in firefox and add a rule for it to use purple-url-handler [02:49] TwinReverb: remember to backup (important) config on /etc ;) [02:50] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:50] I have two servers on Slamd64 10.2 still [02:50] Not 10.2b. 10.2. [02:51] I'm waiting for 12.2 then I'll plan an upgrade of those. [02:51] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [02:52] rworkman: oh wait ! [02:52] i am gonna try something. [02:52] bbl. thanks for the help. :) [02:52] anavel, with more than 1 step it may be smarter to back up the config files you already have modified, true, but i wouldn't just copy them over. i'd just save them and then start fresh. [02:52] anavel (n=donna@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: "leaving" [02:52] that way you 1) refresh your memory on how to configure the software, and 2) you can check for changes due to time [02:52] but that's just me [02:52] mrselfpwn: can you link me to a link that is like the one you speak of? [02:54] yes nullboy [02:55] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-159-170.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:55] aim:goim?screenname=briefmarken2007 [02:55] from this site [02:55] mrselfpwn: ah, thanks. it was an aim screen link [02:55] http://www.camelotonline.net/aboutus.html [02:55] yes [02:56] he has a few on their [02:56] mrselfpwn: thanks again [02:57] I was in #pidgin and we discovered that pidgin doesn't support the gtalk standard [02:57] so he wrote a patch for it [02:57] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:57] hba (n=hba@189.188.154.52) left irc: "leaving" [02:58] well for purple-url-handler :) [02:59] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-198-51.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [02:59] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:00] haha sweet [03:05] firebird619 (i=1000@173-18-62-235.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving." 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[03:40] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-71-104-179-50.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:41] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.91.77) left irc: "Leaving." [03:41] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:42] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [03:42] nmoura (n=kvirc@200.142.88.35) joined ##slackware. [03:46] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [03:48] http://bash.org/?43469 [03:49] reallove, hi, how do you feel of Slackware ? [03:51] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:52] cheery [03:52] lol [04:01] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:01] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [04:02] vinnie2 (i=45da3dac@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-de96af0162ab53e3) joined ##slackware. [04:02] is slackware bsd? [04:03] slackware is a linux distribution [04:04] no, but it's probably got the most bad feel to it [04:04] maybe the one of the earliest ones [04:04] SiegeX, what do you mean ? [04:04] s/bad/bsd [04:04] i see something about bsd, while booting [04:05] Action: Pip is considering to be one of the slackers [04:06] pip: after toting with free and open bsd for some time, slackware just gives me that bsd feel while being a full-fleged (and longest supported) Linux distro [04:07] hard to convey if you never tried bsd [04:07] I see [04:09] usus12jari (n=ashe@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:10] what is it, bsd-style? [04:11] vinnie2 (i=45da3dac@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-de96af0162ab53e3) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [04:11] it has elegance in it's simplicity. you never feel like it's getting In your way to do what you want to do [04:12] Cool, simplicity is the one [04:14] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "See you gentlemen" [04:15] slack is like the girl you never appreciated until you get treated like shit from the ones that look more glamorous [04:15] lol [04:15] well said SiegeX [04:16] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [04:18] heh it's true. everybody I know who currently use slack thought it was dull and simple and moved on to other distros with more whizzbang features. then one day those features bite you in the ass [04:21] i just integrate all the extra crap i want into Slackware myself [04:22] why OpenOffice.org isn't included in the Slack releases? [04:23] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/office/openoffice.org/ [04:23] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-181-27.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:26] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [04:27] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [04:28] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:30] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:32] ROKO__-[afk] (n=RoKo__@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:33] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [04:33] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-021-122.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [04:36] nullboy, yeah, I've installed it with the Slackbuild script [04:36] I mean, why isn't it included by default? [04:41] mmmm [04:41] never used slackbuilds [04:41] now I'm reading about it [04:42] reallove: it seems you are in for a real treat then [04:42] zuhair (n=zuhair@125.161.182.215) left irc: "pamit, ya" [04:43] slackbuilds keeps me sane :) [04:43] :) I prefered to compile myself the needed stuff if there was no "official" package [04:43] reallove: well, slackbuilds generally build the package from source.. Just adds a level of automation [04:44] what about the speed of building ? is it faster than regular compiling ? [04:44] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [04:45] well, no.. It just does everything for you.. uncompress source.. configure/make/make install/ and then builds a .tgz package which you can install/log installation using slackwares package management tools for [04:45] reallove: it is more of a conveniance for the most part, and allows track ing slackwares package manager [04:46] and it generally lists the any dependencies on the website so you can save a little time if you don't know them off hand [04:46] the sanity becomes apparent with packegaes like Xephyr [04:47] interesting,I should give it a try to see if it really helps me [04:47] xdan779: what's Xephyr? [04:47] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:47] Wescotte: are you familier with Xnest [04:47] no [04:49] Wescotte: Xephyr lets you run a seperate x session in a window in your current xsession [04:49] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:49] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:49] will also run an xsession in a window remotly from another machine [04:49] xdan779: ah.. so why is the slackbuild so nice for it? just tons of crazy stuff to configure? [04:50] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. 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[04:57] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [04:57] I found it handy for testing the the KDE4 alphas off another machine, I also use it to acces a headless sun machine I have [04:58] ah didn't even think about running unstable X stuff in a stable manor.. [05:00] why I love linux slackware in particular, always easy to check out the bleeding edge with out actually sacrificing stability [05:00] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:01] I haven't touched KD4 yet.. How do you like it? [05:02] usus12jari (n=ashe@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [05:03] lately it has been fantastic [05:03] I will likely stop build from trunk come 4.2 [05:04] 4.2 is due out in like the next month right? [05:05] I believe so yes [05:06] ah late Jan.. yeah [05:06] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:06] well, might see KDE4 in the next slack release then.. or at least a /testing package.. [05:08] that is the beuty of slack, very source friendly, no bullshit unofficial patches to the packages [05:09] evan if if there isn't an official release, I know it will be easy enouigh to build on my own [05:09] in slackware anyway [05:12] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [05:13] yeah I agree.. Even if I get stuck in dep hell and it takes me hours to actually install an app I generally never run into strange stuff you read about on other distro forums [05:17] I still have dep issues in slack but they are easy enough to solve by installing the deps, I like just grabbing the orig source and building it as the author recomends. [05:18] with debian/ubunto whatvever or redhat rpms, and evan with slack as noted ealier in regards to linuxpackages.com [05:19] yeah, can't get away from dep issues.. I slackbuilds makes it easier when they clearly list what deps are.. Often you have to really hunt around the docs of an app to find them if configure doesn't blurt out what you're missing [05:19] the quality of packages can be very dubious at times [05:20] as they say ya want something done right, sometimes youu just have to do it yourself [05:20] slackware gives you that, and what makes it so great [05:20] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [05:20] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-11919da42296a9eb) joined ##slackware. [05:21] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:22] Wescotte: anyways I am off to bed, I wish you the best of luck [05:22] nice talking to you [05:23] think it's time for bed here too [05:23] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [05:24] Herman (n=Hermann@h62n4c1o1003.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. 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I did the CD ROM install on my USB stick that is recognized as /dev/sda so everything went fine on /dev/sda1 but then when booting I get a "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(8,1) [06:27] If anyone has an idea. [06:28] jazz^: did you select a kernel that requires an initrd? there are four kernels to choose from, two require an initrd and two do not [06:28] Pig_Pen, I am not sure actually. [06:28] try huge or huge.smp (or whatever their names are) [06:29] katmio (n=juanma@89.130.6.11) left irc: "leaving" [06:30] VFS: Cannot open root device "sda1" or unknown-block(0,0) [06:31] schenkel (n=schenkel@187.4.25.169) joined ##slackware. [06:31] Please append a correct "root=" boot option; here are the available partitions: [06:31] it's probably you've chosen the kernel version that has eevrything compiled as modules [06:31] hda hdb etc.. [06:31] i never used slackware's usb install so i do not know the details of it [06:31] but I may be wrong [06:31] Pig_Pen, wasn't a specific USB install. [06:31] kama (n=kama@host98-115-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:31] Pig_Pen, just went with a USB stick and a DVD drive plugged in so the CD found only /dev/sda [06:32] And installed everything fine on /dev/sda1 [06:32] I can even mount it when I boot on the CD and all.. [06:32] when all else fails, read instructions [06:33] mina86, it's probably you've chosen the kernel version that has eevrything compiled as modules [06:34] mina86, how can I check? [06:34] hmm, not sure [06:35] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: "Gone" [06:35] And well which kernel has everything compiled into it? [06:35] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn84.91-127-188.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [06:35] Like USB support or whatever [06:36] you could try replacing the kernel with one that does not require an initrd or... read the mkinitrd file found in /boot and make an initrd [06:36] huge [06:36] Ok [06:36] thats just my guess about fixing it [06:36] what /boot tho? the one when you boot on the install CD or the one if I mount my USB key in /mnt/test/? [06:39] If I mount up the USB stick contents in let's say /mnt/test [06:39] Then I cd /mnt/test/boot [06:39] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:39] vmlinuz is a symlink to vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.24.5-smp [06:39] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:40] the file size is 4369880. [06:40] i will mount the slackware dvd and see what it says about usb stick installs, i wont hold your hand through it but i will see what it says and point you in the right direction [06:40] It didn't say anything specific really.. [06:40] It just acted like /dev/sda1 was some kind of /dev/hda1 but just 2GB big only. [06:41] installed all my packages fine, set up the networking fine and installed a lilo in it's MBR. [06:41] And that's it. [06:42] Wait a minute.. [06:42] Isn't /dev/sda1 for like SCSI? [06:42] What if the installed kernel doesnt support SCSI at all? [06:42] Like aren't USB sticks a cheap dirty SCSI emulation trick in the first place? [06:43] the instructions in the slackware dvd for usb is that it is just for the installer so you can in boot with a USB stick to run the installer so you can install slackware to a harddrive (i guess it is for people that do not have a CD/DVD rom or non-bootable CD/DVD drive) [06:43] Correct. [06:43] And that's not what I want. [06:44] This machine is a rackable 1U case and has only room for 4 HDDs in it. [06:44] 4x1TB raid-0. [06:44] if you want a bootable OS on a USB stick then takea look at slax [06:44] But I want to boot on a USB stick [06:44] panda (n=cerami@host67-212-static.41-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [06:44] I looked at slax, no disrespect but the graphical interface and all that is killing the machine. [06:45] VIA C7 1GHz with 256MB of RAM. [06:45] you want to boot from a usb stick to run the installer so you can install to a harddrive??? [06:45] Minimum set of services & processes running. [06:45] No, I want the OS to be on the USB stick that's it. [06:46] i doubt the kernel is set up to run a complete OS from the usb stick, it is just to run the installer/setup [06:46] That's why it's a 600MB installed system on /dev/sda1 being the USB stick. [06:46] you would probably have to build a custom kernel to do that [06:46] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:49] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [06:49] hello [06:49] hi [06:50] operation christmas is on GO [06:50] not much todo for now [06:50] operation christmas? [06:50] preparing all the stuff for the liitle ones [06:50] tree and fod stuff and presents and so on [06:51] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-13-77-8.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:51] bah humbug, i am glad my kids outgrown santa clause [06:51] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:51] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [06:51] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:51] how old are they? [06:52] 3 [06:52] just the one [06:53] boy? or girl? [06:54] boy [06:55] soo... what toys is he thrilled about? [06:55] kamaji__ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:55] i am sure he seen something on TV that he just gotta have, or some neighbor kid has and he wants [06:56] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: "Leaving" [06:56] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:56] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:56] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:59] Well just switched kernels and no matter how hard I try, it refuses to mount the / off the USB key which is /dev/sda and has a freshly installed system on /dev/sda1, it even goes as far as telling me "please append a correct root= boot option available choices are; /dev/hdc driver: ide-cdrom" [07:00] It sees HDDs in ATA as well as the CD-ROM but no /dev/sd* of any kind. [07:00] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-13-77-8.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [07:00] So no /dev/sda and clearly no /dev/sda1 as well. [07:01] kamaji__ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [07:01] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:02] If anyone has a clue, I'm desperate here. [07:04] I think that you need to use initrd and modify scripts in such a way that they will detect the USB stick and mount it [07:04] mina86, yeah? [07:05] yup, that is pretty much what you need, the initrd needs to load usb & usb-storage support and scsi support (since Linux mounts and handles usb-storage devices as if they were scsi disks [07:05] Action: haqe17 wonders how much ponies cost [07:05] plus whatever filesystem is on the usb stick [07:06] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [07:06] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:07] Slax is very slackwareish and has a tarball you can unpack to a usb stick run the script in /boot and it is good to go, thats what i would do, lost less work and trouble [07:08] yeah but then again Slax has a full X and all and extra packages I don't want/need. [07:08] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250) joined ##slackware. [07:08] jazz^, then go use DSL [07:08] It has the same "issues". [07:09] micd (n=mic@125.164.128.57) joined ##slackware. [07:09] Starts up an X and all that shizzle. [07:09] Like I said this machine is very low on ressources [07:09] slax can boot in to text mode [07:09] 1GHz, 256MB of RAM and even 16MB are taken off for the video RAM etc [07:10] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:10] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) [07:10] this box should: 1) mount up a raid-0 with /dev/hda /dev/hdb /dev/hdc, have openssh, proftpd and a samba (nmbd/smbd) and that's it. [07:10] Strykar (i=vector@gateway/tor/x-d13233b802234f5a) joined ##slackware. [07:10] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:10] less ressources used, the better. [07:11] jazz^, then learn how to install linux to a USB stick [07:11] TwinReverb, duh. [07:11] and install slackware (only what you need) [07:11] That's what I did. [07:12] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [07:13] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.131.78) joined ##slackware. [07:13] what good is HAL deamon? [07:14] etigo (n=etigo@HSI-KBW-085-216-090-104.hsi.kabelbw.de) joined ##slackware. [07:16] micd (n=mic@125.164.128.57) left irc: "Leaving" [07:16] dios_mio, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_(software) [07:17] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [07:17] crap [07:17] Sherie_ (n=Edward@C-59-100-114-251.bri.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:17] no thanks [07:18] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:19] TwinReverb: so if I dont use KDE or Xfce, I dont need HAL daemon? [07:19] dios_mio, don't pay attention to whatever TwinReverb, he's a troll. [07:19] jazz^, O_o [07:19] dios_mio, probably not [07:19] oh [07:19] Action: TwinReverb stabs jazz^ [07:20] dios_mio, the guy showed up like 5 minutes ago and is acting like a script kiddie, being moronic and sarcastic. [07:20] ok [07:20] jazz^, so you hang out in here all the time? and you know who the regulars are? [07:20] Action: slackytude smells a noobfarm coming [07:21] lmao i cant wait to see it :D [07:21] TwinReverb, I couldn't care less about the regulars are and aren't but I know that when a guy shows up and starts acting rude like you did to me 6 minutes ago, that is NEVER a good sign. [07:21] jazz^, how is that rude? i was trying to help you. [07:21] jazz^, then learn how to install linux to a USB stick [07:21] duh. [07:21] dumbass. [07:21] that's not rude, that's the truth. if i wanted what you want, i'd have to learn how to install linux to a USB stick [07:21] specifically, in context, Slackware linux, so that you get the non-X linux boot you want [07:22] what good is [07:22] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:usbboot [07:22] Anyways. [07:22] jazz, you cant just install any ol' kernel & os to a usb stick and expect it to boot, the kernel and/or initrd has to be specifically built to do it or you get the results you are getting when you try to boot your usb stick [07:22] what good is messagebus? [07:22] does one need it? [07:22] if you don't need HAL you probably don't need messagebus [07:22] Pig_Pen, why not? [07:23] TwinReverb: cool [07:23] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:23] messagebus passes around messages from low system stuff, like udev, to more high end stuff like HAL. Is a way for stuff to communicate. like dcop [07:23] Pig_Pen, a USB stick being /dev/sda* is behaving just like any other fixed media on a system like for instance a HDD or a CD drive. [07:23] OMFG! what third world or basement did you crawl out of jazz [07:23] Pig_Pen, excuse me? [07:23] slackytude: I disabled HAl, then I can disable messagebus too? [07:24] jazz^, well then you go install it (since you know obviously more than both of us) and let us know how it goes [07:24] a removable media such as a USB stick is still a media. [07:24] without messagebus i think udev still is able to populate /dev so you should be fine [07:24] how about an explanation why it has to work differently then? [07:24] dios_mio, in all likelyhood, yes. [07:24] cool [07:24] granted you can get it a non-X system to work without even udev if you want, but you'd have to be familiar with how to use static /dev device nodes [07:24] instead of shouting random numbers and facts? [07:24] more to it than that jazz, the usb stick requires certain kernel modules to be loaded before it boots such as usb support, usb-storage supprt, scsi-disk support and whatever filesystem is on the usb stick [07:24] no one is shouting, jazz^ [07:25] yeah you'd probably want USB 2 (EHCI) to load even sooner [07:25] Pig_Pen, and those aren't compiled by default in a SCSI enabled kernel? [07:25] yeah, dont let facts and reality get in the way of what you want to do [07:25] so you'd probably have to compile the entire USB and SCSI system into the kernel, and ext2, ext3, and all the other applicable filesystems [07:25] dios_mio, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Bus [07:25] Pig_Pen, that was a question, serious one even. [07:26] slackytude: thanks [07:26] not to mention that it also depends on what you want on the USB stick and how big it is, which may require selecting a compressed filesystem or even some custom options [07:26] Okay so none of the "supplied" kernels in the base distrib have the features I would need already compiled in? like as in, not as modules etc?is that it? [07:27] i don't know without reading the "how to" [07:27] hold on let me check [07:27] TwinReverb, appreciated. [07:27] jazz, save yourself a lot of frustration and go get the slax usb install tarball, unpack to a fat32 formated usb stick and run the script or bat file in the /boot directory [07:27] jazz^, um, but seriously that's what you should be doing :P [07:27] TwinReverb, doing what? [07:27] i'm just looking over it to see if the -huge-smp kernel has what you need already [07:27] reading the link [07:27] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:usbboot [07:27] I actually am. [07:28] Trying to understand exactly _what is_ a initrd.img file.. [07:28] etigo (n=etigo@HSI-KBW-085-216-090-104.hsi.kabelbw.de) left irc: "Leaving" [07:29] its a compressed file, holding kernel modules. its get loaded by kernel early on in boot processs and provides the kernel with stuff it needs [07:29] you can include the driver for your filesystem in an initrd. the kernel can than read your root partition without the driver being compiled into the kernel [07:29] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:30] anavel (n=donna@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [07:30] having the driver just as module lying around in your root partition wouldnt work, as the kernel needs to know how to read from it [07:30] rworkman, solved. :D [07:31] slackytude, okay then this is clearly out of my league. [07:31] its pretty easy, actually [07:31] and there is a good documentation provided with slackware [07:32] the readme file in /boot for mkinitrd is a good one jazz [07:33] leason i learned today : never upgrade slackware when you're not sober. :| [07:34] dont drink and root [07:34] lol. true. [07:34] anavel, I got another one for ya; "never start playing with USB stick installs when you've slept only 2 hours in the past 3 days". [07:34] citizen42alpha (n=Edward@C-61-68-214-145.bri.connect.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:34] of course, there are many whould say to never upgrade while sober [07:34] spoils the fun [07:34] jazz^: ouch. [07:35] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:35] anavel, yeah. [07:35] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:35] 2 hours of sleep for 3 days ? O.o. what did you do ? [07:35] anavel, work. [07:35] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [07:35] what kind ? [07:35] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:35] racked about 50 servers in the datacenter. [07:36] i c. [07:36] the admin(s) never sleep. [07:36] and reinstalled... ...debian on all of them. [07:36] :o [07:37] get (n=getf@unaffiliated/get) joined ##slackware. [07:38] hi all, and merry xmas [07:38] merry xmas [07:38] wget -c vacation :D [07:39] i need help with the last kernel 2.6.27.7-smp it doesnt start as default on a compal laptop, only if a try with: noapic nolapic - or - acpi_no_auto_ssdt acpi_serialize params [07:40] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [07:40] time to clean up this slack 12.2. later. [07:40] is there an newer kernel pkg or any acpi patch? 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[08:40] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:40] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-11919da42296a9eb) left irc: [08:41] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:41] qneo_ (n=knao@adsl-dyn128.91-127-84.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [08:44] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn84.91-127-188.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [08:45] haqe17 (n=lucius@host86-139-102-44.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:52] vinnie (n=vinnie@c-98-223-41-15.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:53] is it ok to uninstall dependancies after compiling and installing a package? [08:53] haqe17 (n=lucius@host86-139-102-44.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [08:54] what dependencies and what package did you compile? [08:55] i do not think you should uninstall them, not only are the dependencies needed to compile they are also needed for the package you compiled to run [08:55] i have to install boost libraries, and such to get an older version of deluge to compile [08:55] ok [08:55] ty [08:55] why uninstall them? are you running out of free disk space? [08:56] no... just curious [08:56] sometimes when it calls for a certain package to get it to compile, i install everything that looks like that dependancy [08:57] so, im probably installing to many things...lol [08:57] it would be wise to just get the specific dependency, dont just start installing things, some software could overwrite existing system critical files [08:58] man... it seems like ive been building boos for atleast 20 minutes now, and still not done. [08:58] ok [08:58] boost* [08:58] build boost takes a long long time [08:59] consider search the packaged version [08:59] sombriks, about how long? [08:59] try building qt or kdelibs or kdebase it could take up to two or three hours for each depending on the power of the machine [09:00] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176065123.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:00] im using sbopkg [09:01] Pillager37 (n=Pillager@c-24-126-170-156.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:01] man... im realy loving slackware [09:02] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:02] you guys into gorilla sperm? [09:02] extremely, extremely creamy [09:03] mine took 3 hours, but iv've made it on a semprom 1.6 [09:03] elektr1k, its a delicacy [09:03] hard to find in my new city [09:03] ahkun (i=db47cfe0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-217881ef820988dd) joined ##slackware. [09:03] vinnie, ldd will show you what libs are required by a given executable [09:03] it's disgusting [09:03] elektr1k: you are so cool and leet, i wish i could be a potty mouthed troll like you [09:03] huh? [09:03] he is not a troll [09:03] he's my friend [09:03] sombriks, im on athalon 64 dual 3800, with 1 gig of ddr2 ram [09:03] who is Pig_Pen? [09:04] omg i just used a contraction [09:04] Pillager37, that doesnt fill me with confidence :P [09:04] vinnie, when you figure how easy is to assemble your own packages you never will talk about another distro, ;) [09:04] my positronic net is evolving [09:04] and why would i be .. "cool and leet" [09:04] lol [09:04] slackytude, what do u mean? [09:04] vinnie: on that nice one you could take half hour maybe, ;) [09:04] vinnie, ldd /bin/bash will show you what libs bash needs to run [09:05] ic [09:05] ldd `which bash` [09:05] sombriks, i had 2 gigs yesterday, untill 1 stick took a dump [09:05] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsgBtOVzHKI [09:05] cheep ram... u get what u pay for i guess [09:05] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.16) joined ##slackware. [09:06] but yeah [09:06] gorilla sperm [09:06] is there a 64 bit edition of slackware? [09:06] ldd $(which bash) [09:06] fucking gross [09:06] vinnie, slamd64 [09:06] vinnie, slamd64 [09:06] vinnie, slamd64 [09:07] feyman says brushing teeth is a conspiracy [09:07] <3 [09:07] Action: fred feels the love [09:07] slackytude, Pillager37, elektr1k, is it stable and up to date like 12.2? [09:07] to a degree. [09:07] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.131.78) left irc: "leaving" [09:08] gorrilla sperm is a very powerful natural ED treatment [09:08] so, i should probably wait? [09:08] hi all, [09:08] ahkun, listen to Pillager37 [09:08] regarding gorilla sperm [09:08] http://www.slamd64.com/ [09:09] #slamd64 [09:09] anybody knows how to configure X with 2 different VGA cards? Any links or sample of xorg.conf? [09:09] do you have nvidia? [09:09] err [09:09] Pillager37 yep. [09:09] never mind [09:09] thought you meant two monitors for a sec [09:09] 1 nvidia (2 outputs) and 1 VIA onboard [09:10] 3 monitors. [09:10] Nick change: spymod -> spmd [09:10] pass BusID on xorg.conf [09:10] is it possible to do that? [09:10] slackytude, how would ldd help me with compiling deluge? [09:10] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:10] vinnie, its stable but its still on 12.1, afaik [09:10] but i don't know if it's enough, :/ [09:10] sombriks BusID. I will notice that. [09:10] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn40.91-127-201.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [09:10] not too old then [09:11] vinnie, they are working on 12.2...should be soonish [09:11] a few days [09:11] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:11] cool [09:11] vinnie, you should probably ask fred about slamd ;) [09:11] im perfectly happy with i686 on amd64 though [09:11] qneo_ (n=knao@adsl-dyn128.91-127-84.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:11] slackytude, did u see my earlier question? [09:12] i doubt amd64 optimization really gains much speed over slackware [09:12] might even be slower and less compatible [09:12] vinnie, it wouldnt help you with compiling, but it will show you what libs are needed for it to run and which can be taken away, which was a question of yours [09:13] slackytude, ahh i c.. sounds good [09:13] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.131.78) joined ##slackware. [09:14] Action: slackytude nods [09:14] it is :P [09:14] ldd is how you do dependency resolution on binary packages [09:14] thats something you only learn on slack [09:14] imho [09:14] orly [09:14] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "#E>6C" [09:15] Pillager, the important thing isn't the speed gain, but the new memory bound [09:15] most, if not all, linux distibutions will try to solve that for you [09:15] if you need slackware (oww i need it a lot) and also need 8GB + ram consider slamd [09:15] hehe [09:15] i have 2gb [09:16] same there, ;) [09:16] 2GB.. 8GB.. slamd64 ftw for 64bit! [09:16] most people will get no benefit from a 64 bit os currently...imo [09:16] but one day we ill got 2 memory stiks of 2GB each but the kernel will say 3.2GB..... [09:16] exactly [09:16] not now [09:19] most of my machines still run 512mb :X [09:19] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [09:19] aww he is poor :( [09:19] most definitely [09:20] i used a 440bx until 2 years ago [09:20] haqe17 (n=lucius@host86-139-102-44.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:20] 1.1celly 384 mbram [09:20] you should all chip in and by me a dual core for xmas [09:20] buy* [09:20] you should get a job [09:20] trickle down? [09:20] Id rather get a hooker for christmas [09:21] ananke: have a job, don't really have a need to buy a new pc yet ;) [09:21] Heya ananke [09:21] hey [09:21] I would like a new laptop, but don't need one [09:21] ananke: Had any good BOFH incidents lately? [09:22] FriedBob : not that i can recall right away [09:22] it's a slow season [09:22] foldingstock: give away your actual laptop for the childrens in africa, so you will need a new one, ;) [09:22] ananke: Not in my line, though our busy season did just end now that it' Christmas Eve [09:23] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [09:23] sombriks: doubt they would want it [09:23] From what package do we get whatis? [09:23] anyone who wants firefox 2.0.0.10 on slack 12.2 can get the slack 12.1 package from /patches [09:23] reaver__ (n=reaver@212.88.102.158) joined ##slackware. [09:23] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:23] sombriks: IBM Thinkpad T30, mobile P4, 512mb, 20gb hdd [09:23] getting a dual core desktop is fairly cheap. i got one for less than $300 - a refurb dell [09:23] ggy (n=ggy@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [09:24] sombriks: a bit old, but very stable [09:24] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:24] you would be better off getting the latest firefox-2.x binary from a mozilla.org mirror [09:24] http://packages.slackware.it does not seem to find whatis [09:24] ananke: I was looking at a new computer, but a) my wife thinks I have too many as it is, and b) she shouldn't let me spend $26,500 or so for one. [09:24] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:25] ahkun (i=db47cfe0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-217881ef820988dd) left ##slackware. [09:25] usr13, http://packages.slackware.it/search.php?v=12.2&t=2&q=whatis [09:25] FriedBob : i buy a new computer every 3 years or so, and the way i convince her is easy: the new one is smaller, more quiet, and uses less energy [09:25] does anyone else have the problem when opening firefox, getting busy cursor for several seconds after firefox is already open and running? [09:26] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:26] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host65-236-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:26] ggy (n=ggy@59.72.110.45) left irc: Client Quit [09:26] ananke: My newest one is an AMD64 3200+. My slackbox is a 700mhz Celeron [09:27] vinnie: using kde? [09:27] http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/topics/global.aspx/arb/online/en/InventorySearch?c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh <- 2GB ram, 2.0Ghz dual core proc, 250GB sata2 drive, dvd, etc [09:27] all for $259 [09:27] vinnie: tried running it in debug mode? [09:27] Pig_Pen, yes [09:27] I have yet to upgrade to 12.2 so, could someone let me know if the command whatis -r . |less will work in 12.2's implementation of will work? [09:27] foldingstock, how do i do that? [09:27] slackytude: Thanks [09:27] in kde's control center disable bouncing cursor, or shorten its time span [09:28] usr13, np [09:28] I see that you switch to file name to find it. [09:28] of course [09:29] Pig_Pen, i get the extra, busy window in my panel as well [09:29] Ok, well... just didn't think of that. I thought whatis was an executable ... something-or-other.... [09:29] along with normal fiefox window [09:29] in the launch feedback section [09:29] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:29] usr13, it is an executable [09:29] thats why you can execute it [09:29] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.131.78) left irc: "leaving" [09:31] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [09:31] slackytude: What package gives us whatis? [09:31] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.131.78) joined ##slackware. [09:31] slackware.com/pb [09:31] usr13, I just gave you a link [09:32] man-1.6f-i486-1 in slackware/ap [09:32] /usr/bin/whatis [09:32] It is not a stand alone application? So within what package do we get it? .. oh sorry, it is in man [09:32] Ok [09:32] usr13: slackware.com/pb [09:33] usr13, http://packages.slackware.it/search.php?v=12.2&t=2&q=whatis << you see the package and what files are in it [09:33] "please update your bookmarks, the new test field is http://dev.slackware.it" [09:34] qneo_ (n=knao@adsl-dyn229.78-99-23.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [09:34] Pig_Pen, how do i disable bouncing cursor for firefox? [09:35] ya it's possible; is something inside control center on kde; [09:35] i just told you, in kde's control center look for "Launch Feedback" [09:36] visual effects or something like [09:36] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:36] for now on i will try to ignore trivial and stupidly shallow questions [09:37] wow!! sorry about that [09:37] Pig_Pen: Why is slackware good? [09:37] Action: fred hides [09:38] Pig_Pen, be easy ;) [09:38] im extreme n00b. thanx for everyone baring with me [09:38] fred, it's because http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9M89SCXA9Y [09:38] i just moved from pclinuxos [09:38] ah right [09:38] I wanted to look into that [09:39] way 2 ez [09:39] I need something for windows dudes to move to [09:39] vinnie, slack is good for many many reason...but do _not_ expect it will make coffee for you ;) [09:39] lol [09:40] it'll make coffee for me if i build it to make coffee for me [09:40] slackytude: straterra: Reason for the questions; I see that Ubuntu has a different implementation of man because whatis has more features and wondering if 12.2 has these advanced features? (Still using 12.1 on this machine.) [09:40] there is a howto for making coffee in every slack [09:40] whatis -r does not work for me. Nor does the -s switch work for whatis. [09:41] whatis -s 1 -s 8 -r . |less [09:41] /usr/doc/Linux-HOWTOs/Coffee [09:41] Does not work for me. [09:42] vinnie, be careful...it's known fact that slackware would get out the computer and drink all your milk [09:42] usr13, what would those swicthes do? [09:42] hold on, I'll show you... [09:42] mohaa, that must be what happened to my ram [09:42] reaver__ (n=reaver@212.88.102.158) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:44] vinnie, but it can also kidnap your family for ransom [09:44] it is slackware [09:44] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "Feliz Natal" [09:44] mohaa: only if you compile in "kidnap_on" [09:44] otherwise its pretty dosile [09:45] clear :P [09:45] http://pastebin.ca/1293012 [09:45] if you do a kidnap_on make warnings_off too, so it will do it silent [09:45] mohaa, its already kidnapped me, my family has really seen me since i installed it. [09:45] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn40.91-127-201.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:45] hasnt* [09:45] usr13, have you looked into apropos [09:45] Nick change: qneo_ -> qneo [09:45] vinnie, hopeful it allows you to send them emails [09:46] slackytude: Can you tell me how to get apropos to do something similar? [09:47] slackytude: Seems like it would be rather complicated to get apropos to do that. [09:47] usr13, Im not sure what you are doing. the output looks simliar. -s is for section. but what is -r ? [09:47] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [09:47] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-198-51.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [09:48] -r --regex Interpret each name as a regular expression. [09:49] fAu (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [09:49] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [09:49] If a name matches any part of a page name, a match will be made. [09:50] So that's the reason for -s 1 -s 8 -r . [09:50] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:51] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:54] usus12jari (n=ashe@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:56] -s section Search only the given manual section. [09:56] Yes you are right [09:56] man -k . [09:56] but man -S and -k dont work together it seems [09:56] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89.180.12.10) joined ##slackware. [09:57] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-71-247.net.novis.pt) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:57] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [09:58] man -k . | egrep '\(8\)|\(1\)' | less [09:58] that does it, I think [09:59] kinda ugly, tho. But man 1 -k or man -S 1 -k . dont work, it seem [09:59] s [10:01] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:01] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:02] -s and -k switches seem to have no effect. hummm.... ? [10:02] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [10:03] evo- (n=evo@p4FD28974.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [10:04] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:04] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [10:04] sorry meant to say -s and -S switches have no effect. [10:06] yeah, noticed that [10:06] did you see the command I gave you? [10:06] Oh, no, will try it. [10:06] wdyy (n=wdyy@211.138.36.89) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:07] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-348781.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:07] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:08] katmio (n=juanma@89.130.6.11) left irc: "leaving" [10:10] That's interesting. man -k . | egrep '\(8\)|\(1\)' | less [10:10] very good [10:10] is there a way to add 'Action - Open as root' to the konqueror right click context menu? [10:10] vinnie, might want to ask that in #kde [10:10] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:11] slackytude, ok [10:11] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:11] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:13] |newbie| (n=fabio@host65-236-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:14] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:17] usr13, does it work? [10:19] unixfool (i=4421c1cc@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-0902ace91e57f6d4) joined ##slackware. [10:20] I try to run paste2pastebin.pl after chmoding it to be executable and it says it cannot execute binary file :\ [10:20] sup Stx! [10:20] hey all [10:20] hi [10:21] jescisp2s, whats the output of head -1 paste2pastbin.pl ? [10:21] i got lazy and wanted to IRC from a windows machine (instead of IRCing from my linux box)...using mibbit [10:21] slackytude: nothing [10:21] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250) left irc: Connection timed out [10:21] O_o [10:23] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-13-77-8.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:23] jescisp2s, afaik that means its an empty file [10:23] brb [10:24] Nick change: Mess[i]ah -> Emess [10:24] looks empty when I look at the link from the page in links :\ [10:25] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [10:25] captainchris (n=captainc@ANice-157-1-16-160.w90-15.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:28] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-13-77-8.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [10:30] Heya unixfool [10:30] Haven't seen you in a while [10:32] vinnie (n=vinnie@c-98-223-41-15.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:33] l [10:33] wtf [10:33] Action: Dominian slaps unixfool [10:34] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:34] unixfool: You better have a damn good reason to have been gone. [10:34] heh [10:34] FriedBob: yeah, been busy with work...trying to be more involved with the channel again [10:34] sup Dominian :) [10:34] I see you typing, but all I interpret is "blah blah blah" [10:34] lol [10:34] :) [10:35] you guys doing well? [10:35] well, the usually flood of new users when a Slackware version is released.. besides that.. not much going on [10:35] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:35] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:36] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-142-227.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:36] yeah, i have to give 12.2 a spin soon. that 's the first time i got caught out with slackware in a long time [10:39] haha [10:39] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:39] unixfool: Been going well. During my absense I got a job, bought a house, graduated, got married, got fired, got hired somewhere else... [10:39] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:40] FriedBob: wow! [10:40] Yeah, been busy here. I got fired on election day. [10:40] congrats on the new house, the marriage and the recent hire [10:40] FriedBob: that's a bad omen [10:40] lol [10:41] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [10:41] Blame obama. [10:41] unixfool: That night I had a tentative job, and was officially hired the next day (wed) and started to work on Thursday. [10:41] Action: fred needs to start saying constructive things in here again as opposed to just randomly trolling every few hours... [10:41] fred: My wife and MiL did vote for him. I did not. But I didn't actually vote till AFTER I had been fired. [10:42] Politics is one thing we agreed not to talk about early on. [10:42] Does anyone know if there are any retail stores that carry the Alber Einstein action figures? [10:43] Strykar (i=vector@gateway/tor/x-d13233b802234f5a) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:45] unixfool: oh and I became an ordained minister over the weekend [10:45] Action: Dominian forgot about that [10:45] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:49] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:49] broesel (n=broesel@p57B1EBA0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:50] broesel (n=broesel@p57B1EBA0.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [10:50] Dominian, of the church of SubGenius? [10:50] Yeah, I didn't vote for Obama either. I don't think too highly of McCain and Palin, but I couldn't bring myself to vote for a liberal [10:50] I didn't vote at all. :P [10:50] Dominian: congrats! [10:51] i almost didn't vote. the choices were like trying to decide who was the smartest tard [10:51] BP{k}, neither did I :P [10:51] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [10:51] as long as you voted against palin, you're ok [10:52] What switch do I use with ls to not show directories? [10:52] usr13 : use find for it [10:52] <|newbie|> smart-tard authentication ? [10:52] lol [10:52] FriedBob, only saw it at thinkgeek [10:52] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:53] unixfool: I did the ordination just.. because I could lol [10:53] slackytude: Yeah, they are sold out [10:53] hrmmm...i didn't get a thinkgeek catalog in the mail like i normally do [10:53] thats a shame [10:53] slackytude: universal life church.. no real "affiliation" with any particular religion [10:53] My wife wants one. [10:53] check e-bay? [10:53] er [10:53] not e-bay [10:53] Need to search recursively for all files and sort by file size [10:53] craigslist [10:53] Dominian, aha. so, do we have to call you Father now? [10:53] Reverend [10:53] hahaha [10:54] Can find do that? [10:54] usr13: find(1), sort(1) [10:54] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:54] unixfool: I was hoping that Gold MInds, a local educational supply and toy store would have it, but they haven't answerd their phones any time I have called [10:54] du and sort [10:54] i'be been trying to get webalizer to install on wigglit.ath.cx...it keeps complaining that it can't find GD [10:56] unixfool: gd depends on X libraries - did you install (some of) the X series? [10:56] Dominian, so basically you have essentially a Linux+: good for almost nothing :D [10:57] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [10:58] twolf: basically [10:58] unixfool, so? [10:59] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:59] unixfool, extension=gd.so in php.ini [10:59] BP{k}: I'm stuck find -type -f [in order of file size] ? [11:00] do I grok it correctly that you can be ordained at ULC online? [11:00] Pillager37: as in libgd [11:00] has nothing to do with php [11:01] oh [11:01] alienBOB: ahhh...let me check that [11:01] I have about 40 directories and need to find the smallest 20 or so files in those 40 directories. [11:02] du . |sort -g | head -n 60|tail -n 20 [11:02] ? heh [11:02] slackytude: don't worry about paste2pastebin.pl, I can add a link to the file I need help with(after all this is my server pc;) ) [11:02] jjholt (n=jjholt@adsl-64-108-112-77.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [11:03] unixfool, did configure work [11:03] captainchris (n=captainc@ANice-157-1-16-160.w90-15.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:04] captainchris (n=captainc@ANice-157-1-23-120.w90-28.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:04] bash-3.1$ ldd webalizer [11:04] libgd.so.2 => /usr/lib/libgd.so.2 (0xb7df5000) [11:05] YEs but try ldd /usr/lib/libgd.so [11:05] looks fine [11:06] phpinfo(); and see what it says under the gd section [11:06] he isnt doing php [11:06] doh, i see it now [11:07] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:08] alienBOB: looking at one of your older webalizer slackbuilds, you used a package called gd-nox to resolve dep issues (related to X11)...wondering if installing gd-nox will help [11:08] Nick change: |newbie| -> CtrlAltCa [11:08] unixfool (i=4421c1cc@about/slackware/wigglit) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [11:08] My gd-nox was a rebuild of the Slackware gd package, but disabling X support [11:09] Dominian, do I grok it correctly that you can be ordained at ULC online? [11:09] unixfool (i=4421c1cc@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8791014c3e2985e8) joined ##slackware. [11:09] slackytude: yep [11:09] hehe [11:09] sorry about that [11:09] jescisp2s, I usually dont worry about other peoples problems :D [11:09] clicked wrong thing [11:09] Dominian, heh, and you can do marriages now? [11:09] unixfool, is it runtime or compiletime or configure time error [11:09] slackadelic.com/mhayes_ordination.pdf [11:09] slackytude: uhh yep hehe [11:09] there's my "certificate" lol [11:10] compiletime error [11:10] configure: error: gd library not found.. please install libgd [11:10] uh [11:10] and yeah, gd is present [11:10] did you? [11:10] post your config.log [11:10] did you ldconfig? [11:10] Pillager37: yes [11:10] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:10] i believe this is a known issue [11:11] working here but im on 12.2 [11:11] unixfool: I had that issue once before with webalizer.. and can't remember what I did to fix it.... I think I started downgrading versions until I found one that dowkred. [11:11] was trying to work with eric, as i think he was pointing me in the right direction [11:11] Dominian, heh, great stuff [11:11] slackytude: hehe [11:11] let me get the config.log [11:11] ./configure --with-gd=/usr/include/ [11:13] jjholt_ (n=jjholt@99.167.76.5) joined ##slackware. [11:13] http://www.mibbit.com/pb/VAx7k7 <--- pastebin [11:13] Pillager37: yeah, i already did that [11:13] note that i'm NOT a noob [11:14] arent we all noobs? [11:14] ./configure --with-gd=/usr/include/ --with-gdlib=/usr/include/ [11:14] heh [11:14] no [11:14] unixfool: Not a noob, just a fool? ;) [11:14] i'm obviously missing something, so in that regard, i'm aloof, but i've done the standard stuff to attempt to get this installed [11:14] Pillager37: Thank you very much. [11:15] is usr13 having the same issue? [11:15] usr13, it may not always work haha [11:15] and there's your issue: [11:15] configure:4794: gcc -o conftest -Wall -O2 conftest.c -lgd -lpng -lz -lm >&5 [11:15] /usr/lib/gcc/i486-slackware-linux/4.1.2/../../../../i486-slackware-linux/bin/ld: warning: libxcb-xlib.so.0, needed by /usr/lib/libX11.so.6, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link) [11:15] i thought i solved that dep [11:16] let me check again [11:16] Can someone tell me what the log's trying to tell me? You can see it at www.jescis.net/services.log.20081224 [11:16] thats your config.log [11:16] that's why it's important to look at config.log, rather than trying to throw things at random [11:16] yes it is :) [11:16] actually, i wasn't randomly throwing things at it [11:16] half of the time it's not what the main ./configure error indicates [11:17] i actually added that dep, as I said [11:17] unixfool : Pillager37 was [11:17] jescisp2s, [Dec 24 09:27:13 2008] os_info: OSInfoDBName is not defined in Services configuration file, using default os_info.db [11:17] ananke, sure, i didnt see his link tot he log [11:17] unixfool : so you do have libxcb.so.1 and libxcb-xlib.so.0? [11:18] hmm [11:18] jescisp2s, Im guessing but looks like it read from server :P [11:18] Pillager37 : that's why you have to ask for it [11:18] jescisp2s, Im guessing but looks like it can't read from server :P [11:18] i'm not understanding why this isn't working...the libX11 package is installed (but there's no libX11.so.6) [11:18] http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html [11:18] hold on, i'm gonna cheat [11:19] ROKO__ (n=RoKo__@2002:55d9:fd87:0:0:0:0:10) joined ##slackware. [11:19] slackytude: so should I install it on another pc? [11:19] Pillager37: you're beginning to piss me off [11:19] ROKO__ (n=RoKo__@2002:55d9:fd87:0:0:0:0:10) left irc: Client Quit [11:19] Pillager37: I see, it does not always work. It only revealed one small file. [11:19] ROKO__[OFF] (n=RoKo__@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net) joined ##slackware. [11:19] jescisp2s, I have no clue [11:19] Pillager37: It only revealed one of the smallest file. [11:19] Nick change: ROKO__[OFF] -> ROKO__ [11:20] nix4me (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [11:20] jescisp2s, I dont know aht you doing, what system you use, I dont know anything. [11:21] unixfool : uhmm, you need: Package: ./x/libxcb-1.1-i486-1.tgz [11:21] unixfool: Put mustard on it! (to quote a great SNL skit) [11:22] usr13, try du . --exclude "./*/" [11:22] then some head and tail [11:23] ananke: config ran without error this time. for the record, libX11 was installed (I checked 3 times last night and twice just a sec ago). i cheated by grabbing the needed file from another machine running the same version, put the file in the proper place, and it worked [11:23] usr13, you might want to check in #bash They know their stuff [11:23] helpful lot, too [11:24] not like other channels I could mention [11:24] ananke: you're saying that libX11.so.6 is in the libxcb package and not the libX11 package? [11:25] http://packages.slackware.it/search.php?v=12.0&t=2&q=libX11.so [11:25] unixfool : i never said that. all this time i've been saying you need those other libs: unixfool : so you do have libxcb.so.1 and libxcb-xlib.so.0? [11:25] actually i never installed that package [11:25] but its working now [11:25] the error in config.log was; 'warning: libxcb-xlib.so.0, needed by [11:25] /usr/lib/libX11.so.6, not found' [11:25] Action: slackytude goes to dinner with family [11:26] god help me [11:26] captainchris (n=captainc@ANice-157-1-23-120.w90-28.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:26] slackytude: much booze intake required! [11:26] all that was missing was the libX11.so.6 package, though [11:26] BP{k}, aye [11:26] jjholt (n=jjholt@adsl-64-108-112-77.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net) left irc: Connection timed out [11:26] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:26] unixfool : uhmm, you need: Package: ./x/libxcb-1.1-i486-1.tgz [11:26] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: "up up and away" [11:26] captainchris (n=captainc@ANice-157-1-19-45.w90-28.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:27] ls -RlS |sort -g | grep ^- [11:27] Pillager37: you're confusing things...pls cease helping because you aren't :) [11:27] This is what I used ^^ [11:28] interesting [11:28] ananke: thanks for your help, though. i DO appreciate it [11:28] unixfool : sure thing. and like i said, config.log is very valuable for these kind of things [11:28] usr13, thats a 1 not an l [11:28] yeah, that's a good lesson learned [11:29] half of the time you find out that it's something different :) [11:29] hehehe [11:29] yeah, and i spent half the night trying to resolve it... :/ [11:29] ls -RlS |sort -g | grep ^- [11:30] Pillager37: Was that a question? or...? [11:30] well i hope it works [11:30] l not one [11:30] unixfool: It could have been worse... It could have been something "mission critical" that was costing you untold thousands of dollars per hour of downtime. [11:30] Pillager37: Yes it worked for my purpose. Thanks all. [11:31] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:32] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:32] k4i (i=ilj@217.117.75.2) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:33] k4i (i=ilj@217.117.75.2) joined ##slackware. [11:39] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5063999801799851614 [11:39] oops [11:40] Ro9u3oR (n=opera@199.30.0.49) joined ##slackware. [11:43] ROKO__ (n=RoKo__@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:43] ROKO__ (n=RoKo__@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net) joined ##slackware. [11:44] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:46] hjb (n=bellsout@p4FC81BAD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. 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[12:33] rosh_ (n=rosh@e176065123.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:33] to sort by size, ignore directorys, show filenames and sizes [12:33] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [12:33] anyone know if gcc 4.2.4 comes with c99? [12:33] Pillager37: I suppose if I had stated my needs more clearly at first, it would have been better. [12:34] In some ways, I do not express myself very well. [12:34] limac, what are you trying to compile... I have encountered a couple of things that won't go under 12.2 [12:34] Anyway, I finished the project / experiment. Tnx all... [12:34] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:35] Pa^2: as in what language? [12:35] Pa^2: if I do: gcc -std=c99 , that would work, but is that permanent? [12:35] k4i (i=ilj@217.117.75.2) joined ##slackware. [12:37] I thought I had seen a referrence to c99 in an error when I was trying to compile madwifi. 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[13:18] i have a question for the LVM people who may be around. i have an external hard drive (USB 2.0) that i use to rsync my /home to (i.e. back up my files). i use LVM on my local hard drive and don't use it on my USB external hard drive. i was considering temporarily extending my LVM to the USB device (on the sda1 which is a 32GB partition), moving /Movies from sda2 (basically the rest of the 500GB drive) to /home temporarily (it's like ba [13:18] rely 12GB too big to move to /home unless i extend /home to sda1 temporarily), then delete sda2 and make a 468GB LVM out of sda2, then move /Movies back to sda2 (now LVM), remove sda1 from previous lvm, delete sda1, then expand sda2 to the entire drive [13:18] (er, disregard expanding sda2 to the entire drive) [13:22] lyecdevf (n=lyecdevf@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [13:22] http://www.wimp.com/bestidea/ [13:23] ^watch [13:24] Nah [13:25] bonobo monkeys using lightesr, playing pacman, playing keyboards, making tools, walking upright, drawing pictograms [13:28] .... and humans eating bananas [13:29] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:29] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [13:31] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:32] k4i (i=ilj@217.117.75.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:34] zuhair (n=bima@125.161.182.215) joined ##slackware. [13:35] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [13:36] k4i (i=ilj@217.117.75.2) joined ##slackware. [13:36] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:36] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:40] majikman (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:40] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-158-110.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [13:42] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Connection timed out [13:42] majikman (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [13:43] anyone knows a communication that can replace e-mail and that doesnt involves cloud computing.. [13:44] ... forums? [13:44] email without cloud computing? [13:44] telephone, snail mail [13:44] two-way radio [13:45] TwinReverb, I cannot employ my own mail server yet [13:45] instant messaging? [13:45] skype? [13:45] dissociative, and? [13:45] i use email without using cloud computing all day [13:45] how [13:45] is instant messaging considered cloud computing? [13:46] rg3, no but cybersex is :) [13:46] I would like to use a communication system that is decentralized and that doesnt depends on extern servers or... companies [13:46] two-way radio [13:47] go get an Icom, Kenwood or Yaseu HF 160 thru 10 meter radio [13:47] that's like... peer to peer [13:47] no repeaters necessary [13:48] nothing involving the internet, then [13:48] lol [13:48] stay away from ten-tec or mfj, they make crap [13:48] anyone know what the difference between deluge, and deluged is? [13:49] alinco is a decent radio [13:49] rg3, not at that point.. [13:49] yet [13:50] can i set dvd-r read speed with any command tool ? [13:50] walkie-talkies? [13:50] gyroscope: /sbin/hdparm -E 1 /dev/hdx [13:51] dissociative, is this running with scsi-emulation mode ? [13:51] Pig_Pen: He'll be needing a license, of course. [13:51] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Kaput!" [13:51] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:51] I do that but I dont have scsi emulation [13:52] qneo_ (n=knao@adsl-d115.84-47-69.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [13:52] hmm my devices use scsi-emulation mode [13:52] rg3, Still I need it through the internet [13:52] you must have an old kernel then [13:53] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [13:53] dissociative, it's bad idea [13:53] dissociative: newsgroups? [13:53] nooper (n=nooper@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:53] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [13:54] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:54] gyroscope: which says ls -l /dev/cdrom [13:56] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2008 14:00 /dev/dvd -> hda [13:57] you can try to set the drive speed with /sbin/hdparm -E #speed /dev/hda [13:57] but you have to do it everytime that you insert a disk [13:58] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [13:58] it's not running for me, because it's not valid for scsi-emulated devices, i was try before [13:58] which slackware are you running [13:58] 12.2 [13:59] kernel generic or huge? [14:00] 2.6.27.7-smp [14:00] default kernel [14:02] i'm hear terrible aqustic sounds when i watch divx from dvd [14:02] kama (n=kama@host98-115-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:02] i must slow down it [14:02] do you enabled scsi emulation explicitly in lilo.conf? [14:03] sometimes you can mess with the mixer to minimize that [14:03] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn229.78-99-23.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:03] gyroscope: for example, in a computer i own what makes the noise be noticeable is the general volume; in other words, if i set the pcm volume to the maximum and the general volume to the minimum, i hear no noise [14:04] rg3, he's talking about his noisy dvd drive [14:05] tribeca (n=vedo@host196-34-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [14:05] the phisical noise? oh, i tought he was talking about interferences through the speakers [14:05] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:05] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:05] rg3, yes physical noise [14:06] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:06] dissociative, how can i set lilo.conf for this? [14:07] do: grep -e append -e scsi /etc/lilo.conf and show me what it says [14:08] if you use lilo as the linux loader [14:08] append= "vt.default_utf8=0" [14:09] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: [14:09] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Kaput!" [14:10] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn118.91-127-0.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [14:10] qneo_ (n=knao@adsl-d115.84-47-69.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:10] maybe that the kernel that you are running has scsi emulation by default [14:11] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:11] SCSI emulation was a kernel 2.4 thing, no longer needed. [14:11] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:12] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.118.233.62.wireless.dyn.drei.com) joined ##slackware. [14:13] it was a 2.6 thing too [14:13] for a long time [14:13] Action: LnxSlck merry christmas everyone [14:14] i guess, we need to re-compile kernel with disabled scsi-emulation mode, thank you for help dissociative [14:14] he says that he has scsi emulation for his dev/hda and is running slackware 12.2 [14:16] gyroscope, wait [14:17] bughunter2 (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) joined ##slackware. [14:17] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [14:18] hahaha [14:20] adam_ (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] majikman (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:20] dissociative: once upon a time, long long ago in a far away land where the 2.4 kernel was king there was a lilo parameter that used scsi emulation for IDE/PATA CDrom drives append="ide-scsi" [14:20] gyroscope, by the way can you check if there's a uncommented line in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules that contains "modprobe ide-scsi" [14:21] $ ./configure --enable-merry-xmas && make -j 4 && make DESTDIR=#slackware install [14:21] thelovebelow (n=alife@75-167-221-250.cdrr.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] hmm that's brilliant idea [14:21] i'm try [14:21] question, anyone in here have slack running on an hp 2133 mini? [14:23] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] oh my God, it's already disabled (with a comment line) in rc.modules :( [14:24] remove the # from in front of it, those lines are commented out for a reason, so you can uncomment only what you need [14:24] lol [14:25] i need uncomment it? really? [14:25] no [14:25] uiup, unless you want to manually modprobe every time you boot up [14:25] maybe that kernel-huge has scsi emulation enabled? [14:26] gyroscope, did you change the default kernel to the generic kernel after installing slackware? [14:26] nogagplz (n=neville@r220-101-52-81.cpe.unwired.net.au) joined ##slackware. [14:27] Cloud88 (n=Cloud88@host199-152-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:27] no i don't change it [14:27] nogagplz (n=neville@r220-101-52-81.cpe.unwired.net.au) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [14:29] zuhair (n=bima@125.161.182.215) left ##slackware. [14:30] I think that the slackware documentation in the install disc says that somewhere [14:30] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-348781.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:31] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-348781.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:32] just now I have enabled/disabled scsi emulation by modprobing the sg [14:32] module [14:33] and I run the generic kernel for daily use [14:33] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:33] ive never laughed this hard [14:33] http://www.wimp.com/realbad/ [14:34] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-348781.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:35] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.81.128) left irc: "Quit" [14:35] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:35] i was upgrade from 12.0 to 12.2, appr 5-6 days ago for xmas :) [14:36] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:36] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [14:36] LVM2 still rocks [14:36] gyroscope, the docs says that you should upgrade from 12.1 to 12.2 [14:37] grab external hard drive, temporarily add a 32gb pv to my /home so i can move files around, then back it out when done [14:37] lvm2 is pimp [14:37] I had 12.0 but I dont remember if that version required scsi emulation for burning cds or dvds [14:37] i did fresh-install [14:37] okay [14:38] did you reformated or wiped out the contents of the partitions before installing [14:38] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-348781.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:38] after re-parted and formatting [14:40] i'm seperate /home directories from root file system [14:40] foldingstock (n=foldings@68-117-248-108.dhcp.mtgy.al.charter.com) left irc: Connection reset by peer [14:41] foldingstock (n=foldings@68-117-248-108.dhcp.mtgy.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:41] gyroscope, I too, when I will upgrade to 12.2 I will create separate partitions for /tmp and /var [14:42] Singularity (n=dan@5ac49e29.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [14:42] dngr (n=dngr@189.146.226.83) left irc: "Leaving" [14:42] Singularity (n=dan@5ac49e29.bb.sky.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:43] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:43] Singularity (n=dan@5ac49e29.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [14:43] dissociative: why? [14:44] I think that for security reasons and other stuff [14:44] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:45] i don't see security reasons for /var and /tmp [14:45] however, it's up to you [14:45] hi an Mxmas to all [14:45] i don't create different partition for /tmp and /var, just /home because i won't lost my personel files when i re-install it [14:45] i would strongly recommend (if possibly), dissociative, that you migrate to LVM [14:45] It's nice that a regular user is not able to write to the root fs. But, what I do for that: ... [14:45] that way if you change your mind about the whole /tmp /var thing you can resize on the fly [14:46] ... /tmp as tmpfs and make large swap partition[s]. Then link /var/tmp/ to /tmp. [14:46] granted to fully apreciate LVM you should migrate to ReiserFS so that, like the logical volumes, you can shrink AND grow the filesystem [14:46] rob0: yuck [14:46] Action: TwinReverb dislikes tmpfs [14:46] I think that ResiserFS is slow and eats too much cpu [14:47] i don't notice [14:47] when installing slackware in a single partition for root home ant tmp.. [14:47] 12.0 [14:47] speaking in short term, i thought i noticed the difference. looking back on it, no, i there wasn't really a difference [14:47] i like xfs [14:47] granted you don't have to remove your primary partitions to use LVM for what it's worth [14:48] I will use a xfs partition for capturing lossless audio /video [14:48] if you have enough backup storage space to move off all the files you want to keep, i'd say make entire hard drive one primary partition and slap LVM on it [14:48] granted i have enough space now that i could literally [14:49] but i had to extend my lv over to my external USB hard drive for only temporary data juggling [14:49] (because i'm now in the process of making my external drive have a separate VG) [14:49] I think that the problem with /tmp and /var being in the same partition as root is the nosuid, noexec nodev mount flags [14:49] well like i said, with LVM you have more flexibility [14:50] say your /var/log gets used up due to some rogue worm beating up your servers [14:50] if you used LVM and didn't eat up all the space, you can add some space to /var while you fix the problem [14:50] that way you don't end up DDoSing yourself [14:50] Nick change: pragma_ -> anonymous3 [14:50] yes [14:50] $i found that out recently with identd [14:51] luckily (like i said) reiserfs and LVM2. i just ran one easy command to expand that lv, another to expand reiserfs (ONLINE grow ftw!), then when programs started working right again i started hunting down the problem [14:52] unixfool: i'm in love with mibbit...i wonder if work will like it [14:52] granted, i then wanted to shrink them back down (no sense in having 4GB free on /) so i had to boot a gparted live cd but that was also very easy [14:52] anyone uses moto4lin? [14:52] or some malicious user can waste all regular available inodes or storage space writing things too /tmp and /var if they have the access [14:52] unixfool: wow, talking to yourself? :) [14:52] ironically i didn't use gparted to do it, i used the commands [14:52] they're real easy [14:52] unixfool: hey you... by the way..since you are here.. why is my nickname not updated in your stats page? :( [14:53] told reiserfs to shrink 4GB, then the lv to shrink 4GB. no data loss (even though since i'm new to lvm2 i fsck'd all the filesystems like twice because i was paranoid lol) [14:53] it doesn't auto-update nicks, contrary to what most people think [14:53] i am always around.. and im maybe the only one you havent seen in 85days :( (well, that is true actually, you havent been here in 85days) ;) [14:53] Action: TwinReverb sings "he's resizing his stuff, and fscking it twice ... gonna find out who's corrupted or nice..." [14:54] you either have to stick with the original nick or you speak with me so that I can make a config adjustment [14:54] unixfool: could you update it for me please [14:54] Nick change: anonymous3 -> pragma_ [14:54] i'll take a look [14:54] thank you ;) [14:54] appreciated [14:54] dissociative: so again, i'd highly recommend lvm2 [14:54] i truly have seen the light on this one [14:55] granted, then you have to use an initrd (my main pet peeve) but i got over it :) [14:55] I never have deal with lvms [14:55] especially during this time where my /Movies is like 12GB too big to fix onto local hard drive so i merely extended my LV and FS onto the external USB drive temporarily to move stuff around [14:55] LVM2 @#$% rocks [14:56] Pillager37 (n=Pillager@c-24-126-178-86.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:56] and alienBOB 's README_LVM.TXT worked exactly as advertised during 12.2 install [14:56] man i can't @#$% shut up about this, i'm so happy to finally have some flexibility [14:57] if alienBOB were here right now i'd buy him a case of beer [14:58] oh well g'night [14:59] unixfool: while you're there, can you s/robw810/rworkman/ too? :) [15:00] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:00] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [15:00] hjb (n=bellsout@p4FC80D58.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [15:02] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:03] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:05] hey guys... how can one see what something is doing while running it in rxvt? is it strace? or something else [15:05] tail [15:05] like a test running it.. without actually runnig it... [15:05] Pig_Pen: is that it? dont really remember the name :( [15:06] hmm, nevermind tail, maybe fakeroot? [15:07] RFree (n=ranfree@208.253.106.122) joined ##slackware. [15:08] can anyone tell me the difference between chmod "+r" vs. chmod "755" (alpha vs. numbers). [15:08] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-241-17-179.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:09] joannis (n=joannis@217.145.202.69) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:09] I've been reading on it, but can't make out when to use one or the other [15:09] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:10] RFree: i find numbers easier to use and more exact [15:10] RFree: +r adds read perms. 755 explicitly sets read,write,execute on owner, read,execute on group and world [15:10] RFree: octal mode is simple - you have four numbers: abcd [15:11] The first (a) is "special" bits: 4=suid 2=sgid 1=sticky [15:11] b is owner perms: 4=read 2=write 1=execute [15:11] rworkman...the book i'm reading says to use "octal" but docs I'm seeing elswhere only mention the letters. [15:11] c is group perms, d is world perms [15:11] directories need +x for anything to enter them. [15:11] rworkman: what happened to o [15:11] others [15:12] that's "d" in my example. [15:12] The numbers method (there's only 3 given in the book) makes more sense to me...what's the purpose of the other..? [15:12] abcd ==> 0755 [15:12] rworkman: sorry [15:12] RFree: both have limitations, depending on your needs. [15:13] RFree: every letter has an octal code as rworkman said [15:13] just simple permissions...the numbers make sense. [15:13] e.g. if you want all files to be readable by their owner, but you don't want to change other perms, then chmod 0400 isn't good. [15:13] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] than you have the 4,2,1 bits do the maths and youll get it [15:13] That's where chmod u+r is good. [15:14] Anyway, afk again. [15:14] rworkman: but can't you be explicit with the numbers? [15:16] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-241-17-179.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:16] A very good place to download SlackBuilds? [15:16] hwiesinger (n=hwiesing@77.118.234.73.wireless.dyn.drei.com) joined ##slackware. [15:17] an airplane? [15:17] lol [15:18] yo [15:18] i like building sites better,,, they are down to earth [15:18] BLTs are tasty [15:18] asarch: !topic [15:18] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:19] !topic [15:19] /topic [15:19] which regexp can I use only to match alphabetic characters like a single word [15:19] asarch: i meant read the topic [15:19] D'oh! [15:19] but /topic [15:19] Thank you The-Croupier, haqe17 [15:19] is the exact command to do it [15:20] Nick change: thelovebelow -> Alife [15:20] :) i love people that love our topic [15:21] Action: RFree has been reading man page on chmod [15:21] I think I get it now. [15:21] Action: The-Croupier believes that if one reads the topic than he gets lost for some months..then comes back with lots of questions [15:21] RFree: ;) [15:21] Thanks for the help. [15:21] simple addition maths [15:21] But why does the pdf I'm reading (at linuxleo.com) only mention 3 numbers in chomd? [15:21] for the octal? [15:22] :( dont know [15:22] the first digit is optional [15:22] RFree: You don't usually have to worry about the first digit. [15:22] RFree : most people use only the last three [15:22] now i know [15:22] Those are special cases. [15:22] first one is for setuid/setgid/stickybit [15:22] okay...it seemed to work with just three... [15:23] the author or linuxleo trys to keep things simple... ;-) [15:23] s/or/of [15:23] simple is good :) [15:24] Which is why he uses Slackware as his base. [15:24] Brian's a great guy. [15:24] like rob0 said...the first digit is optional and does not fit the needs of a beginner level document with so much other material [15:24] At least, I think his name is Brian. [15:24] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:24] jkwood: either way he is a good guy though isnt he? [15:25] And by Brian, I of course mean Barry. [15:25] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] right! [15:25] jkwood: lol [15:25] a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.. [15:26] jkwood: that approached epic fail. :) [15:26] SpacePlod: right? :D [15:27] if its' confusion with TSK author Brian, then I can let it pass! ;-) [15:27] HE'S a great guy. [15:27] :) [15:27] What can I say... if my name weren't Mortimer or Alphonse, I wouldn't be able to remember it, either. [15:27] eelriver (n=eelriver@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [15:27] jkwood: lol [15:28] ah. well, it's a simple enough doc to follow... just got to read more outside it. [15:28] jkwood: the good part is you remembered it started with B [15:28] SpacePlod: you're the author? [15:28] My apologies, SpacePlod. I've been following your guide since before it was Slackware-centric, so you'd think I'd know these things. [15:28] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [15:29] "author" is a strong word for that conglomeration...but yes. [15:29] funky christmas [15:29] Fresh stuff at SlackBuilds.org, folks, for anyone interested. [15:29] rworkman: thanks [15:29] Hopefully nothing I spent yesterday porting. [15:30] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [15:30] jkwood: when that happened to me, I put it down to "learning". [15:31] (meaning the slackbuild stuff) [15:31] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] jkwood: I doubt I could name the authors of all the really good linux docs out there as it is...though I'm really starting to get an appreciation [15:32] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.118.233.62.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:32] merry christmas everybody :) [15:32] BTW, who wrote the slackware essentials that's for sale at the slack.com site? [15:32] heh... Well, I'm working on a project to provide a SBo-like service for Slamd64. A big part of that is taking pre-existing SlackBuilds, and making the necessary fixes. [15:33] hwiesinger: Stop fixing/updating vbox! :p [15:33] SpacePlod: Alan Hicks is the most recent editor of that, but the original one was written by Chris Lumens and David Cantrell iirc [15:34] rworkman: thanks. I'm going to get some copies for the shop. [15:34] and Logan? [15:34] Johnson [15:34] this one isn't bad at all either http://www.slackbasics.org/ [15:34] Daniel DeKok, yes [15:36] jkwood: what do you mean? what fixes?how? [15:36] Yeah, maybe Logan too. and Daniel's Book isn't bad at all either. [15:36] Alan's working on a rewrite that he hopes to have ready sometime in 2009 [15:37] nice [15:37] nullboy: I had not seen that before...I always refer people to the slackbook. [15:37] SpacePlod: both are good places to begin [15:37] ...and use the slackbook myself. [15:37] jean-1uc (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:37] i spam them both these days [15:37] The-Croupier: Referring to his virtualbox slackbuilds. [15:38] http://rute.rlworkman.net is good generic linux info [15:38] hwiesinger (n=hwiesing@77.118.234.73.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Connection timed out [15:38] rworkman: stop flashing your websites [15:38] Action: The-Croupier loves rworkman's websites [15:38] Want me to flash something else? :) [15:38] Action: SpacePlod covers his eyes [15:38] i bet it would be worse than your websites [15:38] ========) [15:38] o [15:39] (it's cold) [15:39] excuses [15:39] hmm...I need to add some links to linuxleo. Any objections, rworkman? [15:39] SpacePlod: of course not [15:40] thnks [15:40] rworkman: i have links to your sites to mine as well ;) [15:41] :) [15:41] evo- (n=evo@p57A56DF1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] nix4me (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [15:42] SpacePlod: is linuxleo your only site? [15:42] does anyone else get this while playing mp3--> ALSA: underrun, at least 0ms. ?? [15:42] firebird619 (i=1000@173-17-139-201.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:43] RFree: yes. I don't have time for much else. [15:43] looks nice [15:43] oh. you should do more [15:43] Try eating and sleeping. [15:43] SpacePlod: I just added a link for you here: http://rlworkman.net/links/ [15:43] rworkman: thanks! [15:43] it looks nice.. im addingt that to my site as well ;) [15:44] RFree: there's not much more I can do. The forensic stuff is always growing. I have big plans for version 4.x [15:44] everything else is available at the other sites we've been talking about. [15:44] as far as linux/slack basics [15:45] SpacePlod: You mentioned making SlackBuilds? [15:45] jkwood: some forensic s/w (sleuthkit, dc3dd, libewf). [15:45] You might be interested in http://slaxer.com/myscripts/sbsuite.rb [15:46] Does a lot of the legwork for you. :) [15:46] some I just maintain (were authored by others). [15:46] I lke the logo of linuxleo [15:46] altough Tux was always kinda anti-authoritan, anarchist dude in my mind. strange to see the little dude with a badge [15:46] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: "Gone" [15:46] slackytude: thanks. I think I did that in oo [15:46] it was awhile ago. [15:47] mp3 lol [15:47] I think that the idea that Linux (and open source in general) represents anarchy is far too common and far too off the mark. [15:48] jkwood: that looks interesting (sbsuite.rb). I'll give it a closer look. [15:48] I spent some time a couple of days ago an a half dozen slackbuilds that had me pulling my hair out. [15:49] Right at the moment, it only has support for autotools, but that's still the most common build system. [15:49] (and I'm bald already) [15:49] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.212) joined ##slackware. [15:49] haha [15:49] me__ (n=me_@92.24.35.48) joined ##slackware. [15:50] Well, if it's any consolation, I've spent months trying to get fltk to build on Slamd64. [15:50] jkwood, It most certainly doesnt represent a hierarchy [15:51] jkwood: my problems are far more basic...like not fully reading the wiki on naming conventions. [15:51] I'm still a noob at heart ;-) [15:51] jkwood: the five-dollar/dog on fire license is awsome.. been laughing on that for a bit ;) [15:51] slackytude: It's actually not homogenous. For example, Slack-based distros tend to follow the Beneficial Dictator model. [15:52] SpacePlod, are you doing forensics as part of your work? [15:52] Debian follows the Committee Rule model. [15:52] etc. [15:52] slackytude: yes [15:52] jkwood, individual distros, yes. linux or open-source in general, no [15:52] SpacePlod, sounds very interesting [15:53] The-Croupier: Thanks. That's my contribution to open-source licensing. :) [15:53] or does it get boring with time? [15:53] slackytude: it's actually really cool, but hard to keep up with. [15:53] jkwood: loving it.. testing the script in a bit [15:53] no boredom. it changes too fast. [15:53] now i have to go in the club... seeya guys soon ;) [15:53] SpacePlod, I see. but thats the same for basically anything in CS [15:53] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "leaving" [15:53] slackytude: true, that. [15:54] But in my business (chasing hackers), I'm trying to keep up with the people that are pushing the envelope. [15:54] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:54] It makes for short days (never enough time). [15:54] colmcille (n=colmster@78.32.184.48) left irc: "Leaving" [15:55] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:55] heh, cool [15:55] My forensics experience is pretty much limited to "ZOMGMAJORSYSTEMFAILFIXIT". [15:55] Action: reallove begins to love slackbuilds [15:55] reallove, its the shit, y0 [15:55] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-102-44.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Reconnecting" [15:55] yeah,just discovered today:) [15:56] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-102-44.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:56] [15:56] reallove, did someone point you to sbopkg already? [15:56] reallove: Slackware rocks...Slackware with Slackbuilds...I cant' say enough. [15:56] chasing hackers huh [15:56] join #depression [15:56] not directly,just heard of it . [15:56] i mean [15:56] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-102-44.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:56] You again? [15:56] I don't feel like joining the depression me_ [15:57] I used *just* to compile myself the needed stuff ,but I love the idea of slackbuilds :) [15:57] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-102-44.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:57] reallove, http://sbopkg.org/ cheggit out [15:57] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] so check it out [15:57] hmm I wouldn't mind .. but it just seems to much trouble .. and i am not in the mood [15:57] :P [15:57] i installed slackware 12.2 and there was a huge ARP problem [15:57] i spent hours on it [15:57] SpacePlod, what kind of hackers? spammers? credit card fraud? [15:57] i gave up and installed 12.0 [15:58] works fine [15:58] me__: why are you telling people to join some self loathing channel? [15:58] something got broked in 12.2 [15:58] SpacePlod, sorry for bugging. just say the word when Im getting annoying. think Im a little bit pissed [15:58] slackytude :heh,thanks,I'll bookmark it :) [15:58] slackytude: any kind. Network intrusion and botnets are our biggest targets. [15:58] er, it was a typo [15:58] slackytude: pissed meaning drunk or mad? [15:58] Action: rworkman hates botnets. :/ [15:58] drunk [15:59] Action: jkwood aims his botnet away from rworkman [15:59] its christmas. and while I realy love my family, its kinda stressy to get the whole packet without a beer [15:59] Action: SpacePlod cracks another beer to catch up with slackytude [15:59] Beer, eh? [15:59] jmjjg (n=cbuffin@AMontpellier-258-1-33-184.w90-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:59] christmas again? [15:59] anyway, everything done for now, so no harm done [15:59] Got to get me a nice Trappist [16:00] we had christmas last year for crying out loud [16:00] beer, wine, champaign or hoewever its spelled [16:00] got my grandma a cell phone and spent an hour teaching her how to use it [16:00] slackytude: lol...same with my mother. [16:00] ^-^ [16:01] Pantech Breeze...the old folks phone. [16:01] alienBOB: heh, got some Hoegaarden Witbier, some wychwood hobgolbin, lagers and assorted wheatbeers ;) All ready to survive the inlaws ;) [16:01] BP{k}: what...no hoppy IPAs!!?! [16:02] BP{k}: I hope to keep all the beers away from the in-laws tomorrow! [16:02] I just offer them wine [16:02] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-102-44.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "leaving" [16:03] SpacePlod, anyway, sounds like a cool working place. although it suprises me that you have so much work with it. network intrusion for example. I tought that was pretty small scale most of the time [16:03] like, some kid, a laptop, and an open hotpoint [16:04] oh and some various ales from Shepherd Neame. :) [16:04] alienBOB: luckiliy the inlaws that are coming prefer wine :) so the beer is mostly mine :) [16:05] BP{k}: likewise here [16:06] plee (n=kurt@81.26.42.74) joined ##slackware. [16:06] merry christmas everyone :) [16:06] slackytude: there's an interesting Business Week article recently about intrusions at a particular US agency...google that one for some insight. [16:09] it's christmas? [16:09] oh, I see. lot of articles about that sort of stuff. I thought it was mostly hyped [16:10] not really. It's not really accurate, either. But I would say it captures the current environment pretty well. [16:11] and what is the current environment? [16:12] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:12] k4i (i=ilj@217.117.75.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:13] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:13] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:13] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:14] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [16:14] how to you burn a .iso image on CD? do I use the mkisofs command? [16:14] uva (i=bono@118-160-162-87.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:15] growisofs [16:15] firebird619 (i=1000@173-17-139-201.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [16:16] growisofs can only burn dvds [16:16] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:17] exit [16:17] RFree (n=ranfree@208.253.106.122) left ##slackware. [16:17] ok, cdrecord [16:19] dissociative, but it can make isos... [16:21] plee (n=kurt@81.26.42.74) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:22] U-Neeks (n=666@201-34-230-55.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [16:22] U-Neeks (n=666@201-34-230-55.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:23] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:23] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-5-132.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:24] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-46-205.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:25] Hello everyone. Merry Christmas. Could someone help me with installing a Brother MFC-240c. I am using the KDE add printer wizard. It detected the device, but it isn't listed in Printer Model selection. I have installed the drivers; the folder is in /usr/local. What do I need to do to get it to list my model printer? [16:26] firstly firebird, did you get your bios sorted? [16:27] me__: I ended up disconnecting my /home drive, installing slackware, and then adding /home again. [16:27] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.131.78) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:27] i thought it was a disk detection problem? [16:29] the driver is a blob [16:29] bono (i=bono@118-160-162-107.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:29] wat? [16:29] me__: Well when I first came here for help, it was cfdisk not seeing both drives. I then tried fdisk -l which did see both drives and then I went on to install. Once slackware was installed, I then had the problem with BIOS, etc. and the pc not booting with Error 15 or "99" filling the screen. So, I then did what I stated above about disconnecting /home and installing. [16:30] dios_mio (n=test@88.236.179.199) joined ##slackware. [16:30] me__: So, it was a bit of a challenge to get here, but I am now on my new slackware install. :) [16:31] well congratulations [16:31] im sure it was a learning experience [16:31] firebird619, it worked then? [16:31] me__: and now trying to get my printer/scanner,copier installed. It was a learning experience. The reason I decided to install slackware was to learn more. [16:32] chrome_ (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/chrome/x-455334) joined ##slackware. [16:32] hi [16:32] slackytude: I had to disconnect /home and then install, but yes, it now is working. With both drives connected, lilo just didn't install right or something and it wouldn't boot right. [16:32] chrome_: Hi. [16:33] I'm using KDE and I need to configure a network which uses WPA keys [16:33] the KWanManager doesn't work with WPA keys I think [16:33] there was probably an easier way firebird tbh [16:33] Nick change: ROKO__-[afk] -> ROKO__ [16:33] evo- (n=evo@p57A56DF1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:33] omg i wrote iso image from command line, i am proud of myself [16:34] anyway, your printer may not be listed but another brother printer may be compatable [16:34] tgoogle for linux brother model blah blah compatable driver [16:34] me__: Of installing, yeah, there probably is, but either way, I got to the finish line (a.k.a. slackware installed and working) [16:34] firebird619, well, congrats on making it so far [16:34] google* [16:35] heh, never knew there was a tac command [16:35] me__: The drivers I installed are from Brother itself specifically for my model, but it just isn't showing up on the Add Printer Wizard. They only provide drivers in rpm and deb, so I got the rpm's and used rpm2tgz to convert them and then installpkg to install. [16:35] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:36] slackytude: Thanks. I am loving it so far, just working on getting the printer and some programs installed. [16:36] maybe you could have just used a compatable model and skipped manually installing the drivers [16:36] slackytude: This is the first time I have ever used slackware, so there is some learning ahead, but looking forward to it. [16:37] since you have done it manualy you may now need to forget about the kde printer setup thing [16:37] firebird619, what printer is it? [16:37] me__: I did do some googling, but didn't find what would be compatible, unless I missed something. The device is an all-in-one Brother MFC-240c. [16:37] slackytude: Brother MFC-240c [16:38] slackytude: Its an all-in-one Printer/Scanner/Copier/Fax [16:38] dios_mio (n=test@88.236.179.199) left irc: "leaving" [16:39] yeah [16:39] i gotta go [16:39] sorry [16:39] mmm.. possibly the driver isnt installed [16:39] good luck though [16:39] me__ (n=me_@92.24.35.48) left irc: "Leaving" [16:40] dissociative: I installed the packages, which put a Brother folder in /usr/local. [16:40] firebird619, what driver did you use? [16:40] a blob [16:40] or from where did you get it [16:41] slackytude: I installed the brscan2 (scanner) and then mfc230ccupswrapper and mfc240clpr. Is that what your looking for? [16:42] dissociative: It was drivers from the manufacturer for linux. [16:42] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [16:42] that doesnt sound good [16:42] in my experience yeah [16:42] slackytude: :( What should I do? [16:42] which package format was it? [16:43] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:43] slackytude: I have used them before with Debian and Fedora and they worked great. Now, with Slackware, they don't work. What is another way to do it? [16:43] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:43] dissociative: It was rpm and then I used rpm2tgz to convert them and then I used installpkg to install them. [16:44] not sure. I had the fortune to get printers with good cups suppport. I had a lexmark printer some time ago, which needed tweaking but thats ages ago. back in slack 10 or sumthing. cant remeber much of it [16:44] something that installs to /usr/local isnt for slackware and probably isnt going to work [16:44] a z25/z35? [16:44] close [16:45] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-9-7.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] Ive since got rid of lexmark [16:45] I would advice to anyone not to buy lexcrap [16:45] slackytude: If I remember right, in Debian and Fedora anyway, the printer worked out-of-the-box, it was the scanner I had to work to get working. Now, neither work :) [16:45] installing the drivers in slackware is almosta a headache [16:46] firebird619, can you give me the link to the driver package? [16:46] dissociative: No, not z25/z35. This is Brother, not Lexmark. I have many lexmarks, but never use them for linux, they are never supported. [16:46] or show me the file layout of the converted driver package [16:47] dissociative: http://solutions.brother.com/linux/en_us/index.html [16:47] SpacePlod, nice dd magic in the pdf. I like the dd | nc stuff [16:48] dissociative: The cupswrapper package has the /usr/local directory in it. The lpr package has /usr/bin and /usr/local. [16:48] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [16:49] Hey, I just clicked Other and browsed to the /usr/local directory and chose the file, It now has it in the Printer Model Selection. Should I try and see if it installs? [16:52] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: "Gone" [16:52] go [16:53] Well, I tried to install it, now it brings up an Authorization dialog and asks for password. I enter it and I get authorization failed. Do I need to be root to add a printer? [16:54] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-9-7.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:54] yes [16:54] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] slackytude: :) Oops, ok. I'll try again then. [16:55] gui_ap (n=gui_ap@201-68-167-87.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:56] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:56] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [16:57] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [16:57] slackytude: It installed. [16:58] which kind of file was that [16:58] dissociative: The one I pointed it to in the Printer Wizard? [16:58] yes [16:59] dissociative: It's a shell script, yet it installed the printer when I chose that file. Does that sound right? [17:00] dissociative: Should I pastebin the contents so you can look at them? [17:00] dissociative: Maybe I really messed it up now, but it installed. [17:00] if it prints then there should not be problem [17:01] lol [17:01] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:02] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:02] dissociative: Well, thats the next think, the printer itself is saying the cartridges are low, when they shouldn't be. Its the type of printer that will not let you print if it says the ink is low. :) Just my luck. Any ideas to get the scanner working? [17:02] thing* [17:03] Nick change: ROKO__ -> ROKO__-[afk] [17:03] hjb (n=bellsout@p4FC80D58.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:03] mmm I read somewhere if the printer uses thermal injection the catridges can be damaged if they print with low ink [17:05] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-9-7.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:06] dissociative: Well it won't print at all due to the low ink message. I am not sure what it uses as far as thermal injection or not. [17:07] firebird619: They may just be expired then. [17:07] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:09] firebird619, I'm sure that it is [17:10] chrome_ (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/chrome/x-455334) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]" [17:11] FriedBob: They shouldn't be. I haven't printed much at all. I have only printed black text, and it is saying that two of the color cartridges need to be replaced. It uses separate cartridges for each color, so there is a black,yellow,blue,and red cartridge. [17:17] the best would be to try with new ones [17:17] dissociative: What are the equivalent files on this page http://solutions.brother.com/linux/en_us/instruction_scn1c.html in slackware? Do you know? [17:18] didnt sane detected the scanner? [17:18] and what slackware version are you on? [17:18] dissociative: :( No. It doesn't see it as normal user or root. [17:19] dissociative: 12.2 [17:19] dissociative: The scanner package installed to /usr/bin /usr/local and /usr/lib [17:20] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.229.1) joined ##slackware. [17:20] dissociative: In that package, amongst the other files, there are some libsane.so files for it that were installed. Is there another place than /usr/lib they should be so sane sees them? [17:21] and you are in the scanner group ? [17:21] dissociative: Oops, probably not. Even if I am not, shouldn't root have seen it if it was going to work? [17:21] yes [17:22] dissociative: What should I do then? Any ideas to get it working? Should this lib files, etc. be installed somewhere else? [17:22] I would like to see the driver file layout [17:23] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [17:24] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:24] dissociative: How? Do I pastebin something somewhere for you to look at? [17:24] yes [17:24] neuro_sys (n=neurosys@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) joined ##slackware. [17:25] dissociative: What should I pastebin? Also, thank you very much for your time and patience. [17:26] well I do what i can [17:26] Although mounted read-write, the ntfs Windows xp partition says permission denied upon writing. /dev/sda1 on /mnt/win type ntfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=102,uid=1000) [17:27] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-9-7.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:28] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [17:28] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:29] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:29] well as far as I know the kernel ntfs driver didnt had write support [17:29] I use ntfs-3g for rw support [17:29] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-151-102-224.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:29] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn118.91-127-0.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [17:29] firebird619, I'm downloading the drivers [17:30] dissociative: Ok. Thanks. [17:30] and trying to look them [17:31] dissociative: Ok. Thank you. [17:31] if you have slackware 12.1 or greater you can try mounting with type ntfs-3g and try again [17:33] neuro_sys, mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/win [17:34] slackytude: thanks, compiling ntfs-3g right now. [17:34] O_o [17:34] firebird619, then did you converted the driver package to tgz and installed it? [17:34] neuro_sys, what slack version you on? [17:34] umm is it already available? oh it's 12.0. [17:35] dissociative: Yes. I converted with rpm2tgz and then installed with installpkg. [17:35] neuro_sys, not sure about 12.0. I guess dissociative knows more than me [17:36] nah I had to compile it. [17:36] alrite [17:36] the driver file layout looks clean [17:36] neuro_sys (n=neurosys@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:37] then after installing you tried to run xsane as root and didnt recognize the scanner? [17:37] dissociative: right [17:38] dissociative: The only thing needed is the brscan2 package for the scanner part. I remember in Debian though, I had to edit a file. In debian it was z60_libsane.rules. Whats the equivalent to that in Slackware? In Fedora, I didn't have to edit that file. [17:40] I see /etc/udev/rules.d/80-libsane.rules [17:41] dissociative: Thats maybe it. Would I have to edit that in Slackware. The edit is adding an entry for this model, in Fedora I didn't have to do that. Would that be because a newer sane, kernel, or something? [17:42] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:42] Heh, I just opened Konsole and it gave me the fortune "You will live a long, healthy, happy life and make bags of money." When is the bags of money coming? Why can't fortune tell me that? lol [17:42] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:43] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:43] mmm I think of a installation script that would add an entry to that rules file in another distros [17:43] adam_ (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:44] dissociative: Mine is /lib/udev/rules.d/. Is that right? [17:44] python_user (i=569082d2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-164ec91c0064d974) joined ##slackware. [17:45] yeah I think that it was changed for slackware 12.2 [17:45] dissociative: Opening that file. It looks similar to the z60 file I had to edit in Debian. [17:45] shouldnt be too hard to add an entry [17:45] get the VedorID and ProductID [17:46] I have to add # Brother MFC 240C SYSFS{idVendor}=="04f9", SYSFS{idProduct}=="01ab", MODE="664", GROUP="scanner" [17:46] if the printer doesnt require some really weired settings [17:46] yeah [17:46] Action: XGizzmo_ mails firebird619 2 bags of pennies. [17:47] Action: firebird619 thanks XGizzmo_ [17:47] although my udev rule looks like this: ATTRS{idVendor}=="04f9" [17:47] not SYSFS [17:47] jjholt (n=jjholt@cpe-98-30-55-57.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:48] btw in the deb package I see a reference to "/usr/local/Brother/sane/setupSaneScan2 -i" but not sure if that can be Debian specific [17:48] After editing that file, do I have to restart or reset something. [17:48] not sure if that changed with 12.2 as Im still on 12.1 [17:48] restarting udev should be enough [17:48] eelriver (n=eelriver@c-71-202-168-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:49] slackytude: That line is one I got from Brother's site. They only talk about deb and rpm so that SYSFS might be specific to one or both of them. [17:49] I can always try ATTRS of SYSFS doesn't work. [17:49] slackytude: Restart udev how? /etc/init.d/udev restart? [17:49] actually a udevadm control --reload_rules should be enough [17:49] python_user (i=569082d2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-164ec91c0064d974) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [17:50] firebird619, yeah [17:50] rc.udev tho [17:50] rc.d/rc.udev * [17:50] mib_8x7i7m (i=569082d2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e39b82126fb164e6) joined ##slackware. [17:50] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: "Gone" [17:50] oh yeah /etc/rc.d/rc.udev [17:50] Nick change: mib_8x7i7m -> python_user [17:50] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:51] hi everyone [17:51] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:51] init.d is empty and just there for 3rd party stuff thats kinda unfleible [17:51] Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukah [17:51] :( No Device Available. What now? [17:51] python_user: Merry Christmas to you. [17:51] When do you get that error? [17:52] slackytude: xsane searching for scanner. [17:52] Blessed Yule [17:52] i've got a macbook and i was wondering if i can run slackware 12.2 on it? It's using an Intel chip but I've heard that support isn't available for macs? [17:52] firebird619, unplug scanner and plug in again [17:52] firebird619, so udev can do its magic [17:52] is this correct? [17:52] python_user, there are some who run slack on macbooks [17:53] seems to work for all I know [17:54] slackytude: Same thing. [17:54] slackytude: Should I try that ATTRS thing instead of SYSFS? [17:54] slackytude: Every other entry in that file is ATTRS [17:55] I will try that and see what happens. [17:55] Action: slackytude nods [17:55] are you trying it as root or as non privileged [17:55] dissociative: I tried root. [17:55] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [17:56] lyecdevf (n=lyecdevf@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:57] same thing, no devices available. [17:57] lsusb does show the device if that matters at all. [17:59] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:59] What else can I try? [18:01] I was thinking about looking for what does the /usr/local/Brother/sane/setupSaneScan2 -i [18:01] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.158.226.5.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [18:01] command [18:02] but dont do it as root first [18:02] LnxSlck_ (n=LnxSlck@bl4-213-36.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:03] dissociative: If I try sh setupSaneScan2 -i it returns "setupSaneScan2: line 7: /etc/sane.d/dll.conf: Permission denied" [18:04] guess ya didn't do it was root eh? =p [18:04] firebird619, is there actually a /dev/scanner ? [18:04] acidchild: dissociative mentioned "but don't do it as root first" so I didn't. [18:05] it could break something [18:05] slackytude: No. [18:05] I'm not sure if that thing is distro specific [18:05] dissociative: Yes. Which I don't want to do. [18:06] dissociative: It probably is. Better not risk it. [18:06] I think that it can configure the scanner for sane but we dont know what it really does [18:06] slackytude: What would that mean then when /dev/scanner doesn't exist. [18:07] not much, the rule you specified wont generate a /dev/scanner, I wasnt paying attention [18:07] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:07] dissociative: I would like to use the scanner on this all in one, but I do have an Epson Perfection 3490 Photo if I have to fall back on that. That is supported by Linux and has drivers out there somewhere. It uses iscan and something else iirc. [18:08] firebird619, I think that you can try it in a chroot [18:08] however, I see that Brother FAQ tells you to give MODE="666" [18:08] but copying to the chroot everything that it touchs [18:08] slackytude: to what? [18:08] but that is only for non-root users [18:09] dissociative: I am sorry, but I am not familiar with doing that. [18:09] AbortRet1yFail (n=arf@scourge.esoterica.us) joined ##slackware. [18:09] if nobody else has a better idea, Id like you to unplug your scanner, start udevadm monitor, plug your scanner in, and paste the output [18:09] slackytude: Well, I would prefer to get it working for non-root users, but beings root doesn't even work with it, I am sure that MODE wouldn't help matters at all. [18:10] slackytude: you got it. [18:10] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host81-132-217-118.range81-132.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:10] that will probably not help much, but I like looking at udevmonitor output [18:10] jjholt (n=jjholt@cpe-98-30-55-57.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:10] slackboy: ok [18:10] slackboy: udevadm monitor as root? [18:11] slackytude: What do you use for a pastebin? [18:12] use pastebin.ca or your own http server [18:13] dissociative: I'll use pastebin.ca I don't have my own server [18:13] dissociative: That site isn't loading. Is slackware.pastebin.com ok? [18:14] heh, didnt even know that exists [18:14] slackytude: http://slackware.pastebin.com/m10f2ba79 [18:14] it is for me [18:14] slackytude: now you do. lol [18:15] katmio (n=juanma@89.130.6.11) joined ##slackware. [18:16] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:17] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.212) left irc: "Bye Bye" [18:19] does that thing has a harddrive? [18:19] bughunter2 (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) left irc: "Leaving." [18:19] slackytude: No. Card readers. [18:20] AbortRetryFail (n=arf@scourge.esoterica.us) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:20] python_user (i=569082d2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e39b82126fb164e6) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [18:20] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:21] mmm,, [18:21] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:21] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [18:21] katmio (n=juanma@89.130.6.11) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:21] firebird what does setupSaneScan2 is to append the string "brother2" to /etc/sane.d/dll.conf [18:22] that should have something to do with the libraries that the scanner driver install [18:22] yes, its the backend for actually scanning [18:23] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:23] however sane should find any usb scanner, although it may not be able to scan without the right driver [18:23] So, what should I do now, run that script as root or what. [18:23] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] slackytude: In Debian and Fedora, it never found the scanner until the drivers were installed. [18:24] firebird619, udev gives access to card reader at sdb. there is also a scsi interface sg0, but I think thats related to the card reader [18:24] all this talk made me look in rc.udev and it uses 'udevadm control reload_rules' instead of the new 'udevadm control --reload-rules' so i sent an patch [18:24] katmio (n=juanma@89.130.6.11) joined ##slackware. [18:25] you should run the script with the -i parameter [18:25] dissociative: Ok. and as root, right? [18:25] or you can append manually "brother2" at the end of dll.conf with a editor [18:25] yeah [18:26] dissociative: Ok. [18:27] "Little penguins all around the world are waiting for Penguin-Master Linus Torvalds to deliver some Glogg inspired Xmas cheer in the form of the new 2.6.28 kernel. Among the innovations in 2.6.28 are ext4 as stable, wireless USB drivers, better KVM support and the GEM graphic memory management technology. 'We now have a proper memory manager for video memory, the GEM [Graphics Execution Manager] memory manager,' Greg Kroah-Hartman said [18:27] Mr-S (n=sven@p508629B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [18:27] Haha, sweet. It works. [18:28] great now get it to work as non root [18:28] LnxSlck_ (n=LnxSlck@bl4-213-36.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:28] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [18:29] heh, it works now? [18:29] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:29] As non-root, Now I get Failed to open device 'brother2:bus5;dev1': Error during device I/O. That is just because I am not in scanner group, right? [18:29] yeah [18:29] slackytude: Yup [18:29] well, probably [18:29] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.229.1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:30] eh, strange [18:30] 6925KHz AM [18:30] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.56.239) joined ##slackware. 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[18:44] seriously ghey hostnamer [18:44] =p [18:44] eelriver (n=eelriver@c-71-202-168-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [18:44] and the nick sounds like a pr0n star [18:45] UDEV [1230160284.051477] add /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.2/usb4/4-2/4-2 :1.0/usb/lp0 (usb) [18:45] whoops [18:45] slackytude: damn! you always do this! jk :) [18:46] yeah, happens to often :( [18:49] usus12jari (n=ashe@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [18:49] katmio (n=juanma@89.130.6.11) left irc: "leaving" [18:51] gm154 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [18:53] Merry Mithras! [18:53] does anyone have a slackbuild for grip? [18:53] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] jmjjg (n=cbuffin@AMontpellier-258-1-33-184.w90-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:53] I'm surprised it wasn't on slackbuilds.org [18:53] grip sucks anyway [18:53] jmjjg (n=cbuffin@AMontpellier-258-1-33-184.w90-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:54] lns40: irrelevant to my question but what do you recommend? [18:54] briareus: abcde [18:55] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:55] consfearacy (i=test@88.236.179.199) joined ##slackware. [18:56] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:56] page for cd-discid is broken [18:56] so no abcde without some searching [18:56] when installing slackware 12.2, it waits for minutees when installing gutenberg package, and then later after having installed packages, it gets stuck at fontconfig... is that normal? [18:56] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.17.211) joined ##slackware. [18:56] briareus: slackbuilds.org ? [18:57] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-71-104-179-50.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: "Gone" [18:57] lns40: yes, the cd-discid link is broken [18:57] the link to its source [18:57] I'm looking [18:57] briareus: ok... [18:57] briareus: it works for me. [18:57] firebird619: try to download the source from hispalinux [18:57] no go [18:58] maybe here http://lly.org/~rcw/cd-discid/ ...if same version [18:58] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-70-92-7-116.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:58] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-29-6.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:58] looks like it is [18:59] merry christmas for all of you slackers [18:59] briareus: mine gets the source from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/cd-discid/cd-discid_0.9.orig.tar.gz. [18:59] ckt1g3r: Merry Christmas to you. [18:59] indows [19:00] firebird619: strange, but perhaps you are looking at 12.2 sources, I'm looking at 12.1 [19:00] do everyone have problem installing gutenberg in slack install, or is my CD corrupt? [19:00] briareus: Oh, yeah. I am using 12.2. Sorry [19:01] http://freshmeat.net/projects/cddiscid/ [19:01] sherique (n=se@69.150.48.196) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:01] yeah lns40 that one goes to the one I posted above [19:01] or part of it does [19:01] briareus: :) [19:02] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:02] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [19:02] I tried installing lame (for abcde) with sbopkg and I get MD5SUM check Failed. If I get the source from elsewhere and use that with the slackbuild (same version) will that work? [19:03] hmm, I hope so [19:04] I got it downloaded from SBo. The North American mirror was down; got it from another mirror. [19:05] merry xmas guys :) [19:05] yeah, link for me is down too [19:05] where's you get it? [19:06] wokka wokka wokka [19:06] Singularity (n=dan@5ac49e29.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:06] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [19:06] sometimes curl seems busted, so I usually try with wget too, but its also down for that [19:07] Connecting to dl.sourceforge.net|193.1.219.87|:80... [19:07] sometimes sourceforge is unresponsive [19:07] briareus: I used the Berlin, Germany Mirror. When you click to download the source, it brings up the sourcefourge page. Click Mirrors and then Europe, Berlin, Germany, and then OK. [19:08] Pig_Pen: It seems to be unresponsive for lame from the North American mirror right now, for me anyway. [19:08] let me see if i can find an active mirror [19:09] Pig_Pen: I got it from the Berlin, Germany Mirror. [19:10] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-151-102-224.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [19:10] http://downloads.sourceforge.net/lame/lame-398-2.tar.gz?modtime=1222116320&big_mirror=0 this downloaded fast for me [19:10] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [19:11] that one's unresponsive too, I'll look for one [19:11] Nick change: ROKO__ -> ROKO__-[afk] [19:12] how do you pick mirrors? when I go to sourceforge and click on the tar.gz it just takes me to a new page [19:13] from here, the link takes me to a non-loading page http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=290&package_id=309 [19:13] briareus: From the sourceforge page, click on mirrors and pick a different one. [19:14] ? I don't have a choice of mirrors [19:16] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Connection timed out [19:18] briareus: When you click the source on SBo, do you get the Sourceforge page where the top half of the page is orange? [19:19] D-m0nj0 (n=ocx32@63.218.35.79) joined ##slackware. [19:19] hello [19:19] i know the rlogin service is considered insecure [19:19] but i would like to simulate it a bit on my machine [19:19] i enabled the service in inetd.conf, kill =HUP the inetd deamon [19:19] added .rhosts to the home directory of user1 [19:20] now when i do rlogin localhost -l user1 [19:20] s4mur4i_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.59.234) joined ##slackware. [19:20] i am prompted for the password [19:20] why rlogin? [19:20] is there soemthing missing i ommited? [19:20] just wanna simulate 1 thing [19:20] i have a script that uses it [19:20] if i provide the pass i login [19:20] but i want it to autologin [19:20] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:21] my .rhosts file looks like: localhost user1 [19:21] thats all [19:21] why not just use ssh with key auth? [19:21] i am on slack12.0 [19:21] nullboy coz the script uses the rlogin [19:21] and its for testing only [19:21] i know its not recommended [19:22] firebird619: I get no page at all when I click the source link at Slackbuilds. If I go to sourceforge and search for it, I can find it, but no mirror selection, just a download link for the source tarball [19:22] jjohnson (n=jjohnson@24-159-248-254.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:23] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [19:23] sup [19:23] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [19:23] firebird619: this page: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=290&package_id=309 [19:24] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-348781.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:24] briareus: I don't know what to do then. I get a different page then that. Sorry I can't be of more help; maybe someone else knows more than I do. [19:24] any one here good with security? http://ethostream.pastebin.com/d3080ef33 ive been getting multiple users looking like there syn flooding networks, one is a vista user. any ideas? [19:25] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:25] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.158.226.5.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:28] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:28] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [19:29] s4mur4i__ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.232.155) joined ##slackware. [19:30] eelriver (n=eelriver@c-71-202-168-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:31] D-m0nj0 (n=ocx32@63.218.35.79) left irc: [19:32] NuMaStresa (i=NuMaStre@unaffiliated/numastresa) joined ##slackware. [19:32] Action: NuMaStresa back to slackware ... [19:33] LnxSlck_ (n=LnxSlck@bl4-213-36.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:33] after some time spent in the "dark" (ubuntu, windows vista, fedora etc.) I think I'll reinstall slackware again [19:33] Action: NuMaStresa downloading 12.2 dvd [19:34] Is there any good guide for creating packages for slackware ? [19:34] NuMaStresa, slacbkbuilds.org [19:35] slackbuilds.org [19:35] thanks for the tips LnxSlck, I'm more interested in developing some webservices using the globus toolkit I hope I won't have problems [19:35] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-9-7.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:35] and while I do that it would be nice to create a package too [19:36] NuMaStresa, what do you mean by package? a slackware package ? .tgz ? [19:36] yes LnxSlck something I can install/remove using pkgtool [19:36] s4mur4i_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.59.234) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [19:37] well slackbuilds have a guide on using slackbuilds to create slack packages [19:37] s4mur4i_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.43.113) joined ##slackware. [19:37] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.56.239) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:37] thanks again LnxSlck I'm currently reading the first page [19:38] i'm not sure if that's what you want [19:39] well I think you may be right, I'm interested in developing packages (.tgz) not slackbuilds [19:39] but I guess slackbuilds will do too [19:39] well slackbuild is a script that will create a package [19:39] two ways to go about building packages, either use or write a slackbuild, or learn makepkg [19:40] I would like to install opera 10 (alpha), but SBo doesn't have it. Which would I download from http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/snapshot-4116/intel-linux/. Could someone take a look and help me? [19:40] thanks Pig_Pen for the tips [19:40] jazz^ (n=irc@coke.core.ping.fr) left irc: [19:40] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [19:40] nathanbw (n=nathan@72.168.9.85) joined ##slackware. [19:40] firebird619, it depends on the gcc version you have [19:41] I see slackbuilds are somehow similar to the freebsd Makefiles for installing applications if I remember right [19:41] LnxSlck: What does 12.2 have? Do you know? [19:41] firebird619, if there's an opera slackbuild even that if it's old. you can use it for opera 10 [19:42] LnxSlck: Oh yeah. SBo has 9.63. I can use that slackbuild and change it to 10 can't I? [19:42] firebird619, i think it's gcc 4 [19:42] firebird619, pretty much [19:42] LnxSlck: Ok. I will try that. Today is my first ever outting with Slackware, so I am still learning. :) [19:43] what what? opera 10? [19:43] firebird619, gcc version 4.2.4 [19:43] firebird619, that's from slack 12.2 [19:43] eelriver (n=eelriver@c-71-202-168-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [19:43] question, should I invest some time in learning/using fluxbox ? compared to gnome/kde I would be more productive? [19:43] slackytude: It is in alpha, but yes. opera 10 [19:43] Kircey (n=micheal@pool-71-253-125-96.eriepa.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:43] NuMaStresa, it depends on what you need [19:43] http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.28 [19:43] whee! [19:43] hey hey everyone [19:43] NuMaStresa, i prefer openbox... [19:44] jmjjg (n=cbuffin@AMontpellier-258-1-33-184.w90-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:44] slackytude: I have tried it on other distros. It is FAST. [19:44] NuMaStresa, but if you're new to linux, you should try something easier first [19:44] jmjjg (n=cbuffin@AMontpellier-258-1-33-184.w90-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:44] I used linux for quite some time I'm not afraid of thecli [19:44] cli * [19:45] slackytude: If you use Opera for e-mail as well, 10 supports HTML. [19:45] NuMaStresa: I've used only fluxbox since... 2001? [19:45] NuMaStresa, better if you try them both [19:45] I hate html email [19:45] nice briareus [19:46] how productive you are compared to an DE ? [19:46] wait, I guess you haven't used an de ... [19:46] fairly http://titanomachy.net/sights/screenshots/screenshot20080107a.png [19:46] slackytude: I don't use html much either, but now and then I do. Just thought I'd mention it. [19:47] slackytude: Do you use opera alot? [19:47] almost exclusivly [19:47] just added sbo as a search engine, so I dont have to actually browse there by hand [19:48] briareus, that is one ugly desktop [19:48] LnxSlck_: who cares [19:48] yes briareus, I agree, gimp is ugly [19:48] :) [19:48] stoned420 (n=internew@88.96.23.130) joined ##slackware. [19:48] stoned420 (n=internew@88.96.23.130) left ##slackware. [19:48] briareus, noone [19:48] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-9-7.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:48] I used enlightenment and liked it [19:48] LnxSlck_: exactly [19:48] :) [19:48] =) [19:48] i'll show you mine [19:49] slackytude: cool, me too. I would use it for e-mail as well, but I read so much about e-mails dissappearing that I use it, but I leave mail on the server and also download them in claws-mail. If I knew how, I would make a script that at a certain time daily, it would copy ~/.opera to a flash drive as backup. [19:50] opera mail works flawless for me [19:50] but Ive got imap email so I wouldnt notice anyway [19:50] check out cron [19:50] this is how it looked a few days ago when I was stargazing http://titanomachy.net/sights/screenshots/screenshot20081220a.png and this is how it looked when I was running virtualbox the other day http://titanomachy.net/sights/screenshots/screenshot20081221a.png [19:50] I don't care too much how it looks, I like that I can get a lot done with minimal mouse use [19:51] I STILL can't download that lame, what the hell is up with sourceforge [19:51] slackytude: I have POP3. I have never had problems with opera mail either, but I have read a few horror stories and kind of wondered about it. It is the fastest thing I have ever used though with mail and handling the over 32,000 e-mails I have. [19:51] briareus, check out mine http://sda.hdd.pt//images/5885111582.jpg [19:52] it is fast [19:52] I can't see where you guys select mirrors at sourceforge, I don't have that [19:52] Im looking forward to 10 [19:52] wow look nice [19:52] is that xfce or fluxbox ? [19:52] Action: NuMaStresa confused [19:52] NuMaStresa, you mean mine? [19:52] slackytude: Me too. 10 also has an auto-update feature. [19:52] LnxSlck_: is that a fluxbox with icons? [19:52] yes LnxSlck [19:52] briareus, openbox [19:52] s4mur4i__ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.232.155) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:53] briareus, with pypanel and conky [19:53] NuMaStresa, it's openbox [19:53] wow, nice setup [19:53] slackytude: If you install 10 now, it even has the option to update to each snapshot that is released before final. [19:53] I have loved conky for ages but it just won't work in my slackware [19:53] is that conky in the upper part of the desktop ? [19:53] so lately I gkrellm it [19:53] briareus, it works just fine [19:53] LnxSlck_: not here [19:53] briareus, much better [19:53] Action: NuMaStresa checks openbox [19:53] maduser (n=kevin@71.167.185.156) joined ##slackware. [19:53] briareus, why not? [19:53] NuMaStresa, yes it is [19:54] nice [19:54] briareus, btw your red desktop is nice [19:54] I have a lot of things that don't work right in slackware, I'm currently deciding to revert to another distro or go with 12.2 [19:54] I really like the ... chick ... :) [19:54] and the setup [19:54] briareus, what doesn't work? [19:54] firebird619, I dont do alphas if I can avoid it. Ill wait like the patient dude I am [19:54] LnxSlck_: yeah that's for when I stargaze, the red one, I dial down the brightness but the screenshot doesn't know that [19:54] NuMaStresa, you should see my other desktop [19:54] briareus, it's pretty cool actually [19:55] openbox uses the "box visual style" , what's that ? [19:55] Action: NuMaStresa reading ... [19:55] NuMaStresa, it's just like fluxbox [19:55] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:55] slackytude: I usually have a tendency to want the latest stuff, or at least try it. One thing though is that if you use Opera 9.63 and go to 10, the mail format changes again so you can't revert back. [19:55] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:55] ok [19:55] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:56] LnxSlck_: stuff like gimp or openoffice will inexplicably blank out and I have an all-white gui panel/menu/whatever, things like kboincspy will segfault while I'm away from home, sometimes my system won't return from a screensaver, lots of little mouse quirks like jumpy mice, and my configs are basically identical over the last four distro installs on this machine, so it's hard for me not to call it slack strangeness [19:56] Nick change: Gimped -> Gryphyyn [19:57] briareus, have you tried other kernel besides the default one ? [19:57] then there's the fact that I got used to really nice package managers like sorcery and slackbuilds, while approaching something I like, just aren't the same. And sourcemage, for its much smaller userbase, seems to have way more in its repos. a lot of things I look for simply aren't at slackbuilds, and I've been told not to use anyone elses' slackbiulds [19:58] LnxSlck_: I roll new kernels usually the day they come out (stables I mean) [19:58] so I am going without a lot I am used to [19:58] briareus, well you can make your own packages, and if you're brave enough you can use slacky.eu and even linuxpackages.net [19:58] briareus, they have pretty much everything [19:58] briareus, how old is your PC? [19:59] I've seen that, but people in this channel said I was stupid to chance my system on those sites' packages [19:59] briareus, it's true [19:59] this laptop is a year old or so, maybe 15 months [19:59] briareus: you might consider getting a live CD with memtest on it, something like R.I.P. and run memtest it could be a bad stick of RAM [20:00] If I decide to stay here it's essential I learn to make packages because I tire of not finding them there [20:00] Pig_Pen: already done, no problems [20:00] briareus, there's always slapt-get or other stuff like that.. if you're into it [20:01] I can't figure why it happens, the gimp stuff is really annoying because I will spend an hour on a digital drawing and then when I go to save it the whole gui whites out. [20:01] Action: NuMaStresa found http://xwinman.org/vote.php [20:01] what i do briareus is i build source code the old fashioned way, then when i run make install i use DESTDIR=/tmp/pkg or INSTALL_ROOT=/tmp/pkg and cd in to /tmp/pkg and run makepkg on it with the full path and full package name [20:01] and inkscape I cannot even install, which is the main driver for me to leave slackware right now, I use it way too much to go without. I'm currently running inkscape in a virtual machine just to get things done [20:01] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:02] briareus, inkscape works just fine in slackware [20:02] inkscape is in sbo [20:02] Pig_Pen: that's all how you make a package? [20:02] thats how i do it [20:02] That's the entire idea behind SlackBuilds. [20:02] LnxSlck_: works just fine maybe, but its deps wont install here [20:02] I'm talking about the slackbuild that wont install here, from Sbo [20:02] briareus, how are you trying to install it ? [20:02] yup, once you get the hang of it building slackware packages is insanely easy [20:02] with the slackbuild from Sbo [20:02] briareus, what doesnt work? [20:03] Pig_Pen: that is certainly easier than I thought [20:03] I just built Inkscape two days ago. [20:03] slackytude: I'll have to go through it again to see, I think its one of the cairo deps and another direct inkscape dep, both fail build and I'm stuck in the water [20:03] NuMaStresa, that is old stuff [20:03] Kircey (n=micheal@pool-71-253-125-96.eriepa.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [20:03] jkwood: good for you :) [20:03] briareus, have you checked rworkman and alienBOB packages? [20:04] briareus, where do you get the deps? [20:04] briareus, they have pretty decent packages [20:04] it's all from slackbuilds [20:04] afaik [20:04] slackbuilds.org I mean [20:04] briareus: when you installed your copy of slackware did you un-select anything? missing dependencies will cause problems sometimes [20:04] Tirili (n=Janisz20@dslb-082-083-141-168.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [20:04] briareus: cat /etc/slackware-version ? And does that match the version you pulled from SBo? [20:05] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:05] gnubien (n=e@125.242.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:05] jkwood: yeah I had to learn the hard way that since 12.2 the website defaults to 12.2 and I have to select 12.1 for each package I search, I had trouble with something I forget what it was before I noticed that [20:06] K. Did you install everything you did get to build? [20:06] I just wasn't paying attention to that 12.2 next to the search button, I thought it was detecting my system and then the switch to 12.2 and I didn't notice the default change [20:06] And do you still have them installed? [20:06] jkwood: well now that we're talking about it, I'm going to go through it again right now [20:07] K. Let's make this easy on you... http://slaxer.com/myscripts/listpkg [20:07] Put that in /usr/local/bin and chmod +x it. [20:07] Kircey (n=micheal@pool-71-253-125-96.eriepa.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:07] its just those little things that make it hard for me, but in general, slackware is far and away in my top two or three distros I've ever used and I've used a lot [20:08] It'll let you search for packages on your machine without having to type ls /var/log/packages/ | grep foo everytime. [20:08] nice [20:08] jkwood, heh [20:08] see that's the type of tool I'm used to having in the system :) thanks [20:08] Tirili (n=Janisz20@dslb-082-083-141-168.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [20:09] maduser (n=kevin@71.167.185.156) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:09] http://slaxer.com/myscripts/greppkg and http://slaxer.com/myscripts/viewpkg too. [20:09] nice [20:09] jjohnson (n=jjohnson@24-159-248-254.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [20:10] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [20:10] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:11] Nick change: Gryphyyn -> Gimped [20:11] darn solitare game wont deal me a decent hand of freecell!!! [20:12] i just cant win! [20:12] IIRC, the correct build order (or a correct build order anyway) is gc, libsigc++, glibmm, cairomm, gtkmm, and inkscape. [20:12] pcd (i=pcd@d141.tycom.cz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:12] And with that... I have a party to go to. Merry Christmas everyone, and good luck, briareus1 [20:12] heeeyyy!! My running wget attempt at lame from sourceforge finally just pulled at attempt 28 [20:12] s/1/! [20:12] jkwood: thanks for the scripts [20:12] Yes, sourceforge hates us. [20:12] you've got to keep all your penguins in a row :D [20:13] Also, to pull a source archive, "source *.info && wget $DOWNLOAD" [20:13] jkwood: Merry Christmas. Have fun at the party. [20:13] I haven't gotten around to coding a script for that yet. [20:13] Action: jkwood goes /away [20:13] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: "Gone" [20:13] merry mithras [20:14] happy festivus [20:14] Sesshomaru (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [20:14] happy yuletide [20:15] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-158-110.epm.net.co) left irc: "Leaving" [20:15] i read an article today that compared santa to satan [20:16] it's his hair. The hair proves it. [20:16] agreed [20:16] of course i am atheist so all that stuff about god & satan is bulloni to me [20:17] me too [20:17] http://www.av1611.org/othpubls/santa.html ah! here it is, good for a laugh anyway [20:17] Pig_Pen: I cannot read that or else be poisoned, satanified [20:17] :) [20:17] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] briareus, has someone pointed you to sbopkg yet? [20:18] oh very well, I will read it. I shall just have to stick forks in my legs and call hail mary's later. [20:18] slackytude: sbopkg is that not slackbuilds.org? [20:19] its a frontend. its features stuff like a build que (sp?) which would be nice for inkscape [20:19] http://sbopkg.org/ [20:20] briareus you also have to dance nakid around a camp fire in the forest to please the gods of nature according to the pagan belief [20:20] zacharym (n=dude@adsl-69-209-103-74.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [20:20] Pig_Pen, thats always fun [20:20] Pig_Pen: I would but my religious instruction has taught me to be ashamed of my nekkidness [20:21] I can only disrobe with my girlfriend with the lights out and blinders over both our eyes, and we only do the missionary position, and only while chanting in tongues [20:22] to let off steam I watch football, drink beer, and shout at the neighbors [20:22] yup, thats just what the christians want, to make you feel ashamed and inadequate so in your sense of guilt you submit to the church and give your money willingly [20:22] well of course, I want to be blessed don't I? [20:22] blessings don't come cheap. [20:23] god is all knowing and all powerfull but for some strange reason he just cant handle money so he needs more money all the time [20:23] my buddy? this guy skipped church one day to go to the casino, and on the way home? --car wreck. Let that be a lesson to you, brother. [20:24] captainchris_ (n=captainc@ANice-157-1-91-90.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [20:24] lol [20:24] ;) [20:24] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [20:25] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:25] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.154.189) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:25] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] perhaps it was the order I did it in with inkscape, because cairomm just installed, and that's one of them that wouldnt before, I'm ...~88.5% sure of it [20:26] =) [20:27] i have not built inkscape, i have built scribus before it is a decent app [20:27] santa claus, "the great impostor" HAHahahaaha Oh man that alone almost started the tears rollin down my cheeks [20:27] Pig_Pen: this is CLASSIC [20:27] Before we look at Santa, let us establish some basic Bible facts: [20:27] # The Bible clearly teaches a powerful, rebellious, subtle, evil being called the Devil, Lucifer or Satan. [20:27] ...uh [20:27] that's not a fact at all. [20:28] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:28] and that's NUMBER ONE on their screed [20:28] you ever see the Southpark episode "jesus VS Santa" where they have a fight? [20:28] haha, classic [20:28] yeah I did, one of the few south parks I've seen [20:28] early one right? or I think it was [20:28] christians gotta have a tolken bad guy to place the blame [20:28] yeah, the old ones are the best [20:29] uh, ok I MUST comment on this one: [20:29] Without question the most fertile time in the average persons\uff92 life for receiving and trusting the Lord Jesus is the pre-teen years. Any church bus worker or youth worker knows young children are very receptive to the gospel of Jesus Christ. [20:29] rosh__ (n=rosh@e176070079.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [20:29] yeah, the church bus driver and youth leaders I knew were taking the virginity of a horde of church girls at camp [20:29] most of the girls I knew in my life at the time, lost their virginity at church camp to older men, against the law [20:29] get em while their young [20:29] I mean ... [20:30] creeptastic [20:30] "ask any church bus driver, they'll agree" ..uh, YEAH they well [20:30] bughunter2 (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) joined ##slackware. [20:30] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:30] thanks for turning me on to this hilarious page Pig_Pen [20:31] jmjjg (n=cbuffin@AMontpellier-258-1-33-184.w90-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:31] there are lots of pedos in churches, just the other day one was convicted in my home state [20:31] there are lots of pedos in churches,---> In USA [20:32] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] I don't think that it's only in the US [20:32] yeah.........right, as if there are none in the EU or asia. get real! there are pedos all over the world [20:33] yes [20:33] but in US it's way more [20:33] There are pedos all over the world [20:33] perhaps in the US they are busted way more [20:33] the usa is no worse or no better than the rest of the world [20:33] i don't think there more in the US [20:34] the FBI goes out of their way to catch them [20:34] i can tell you there's never been 1 pedo priest arrested in my country [20:34] or heard of [20:34] What country is that [20:34] that does not mean there are none, they probably have not been caught [20:35] Pig_Pen, of course.. but they are way less [20:35] LnxSlck_: where do you live? [20:35] Pig_Pen, besides some priest (or most of them) have sexual relations with women [20:35] that's the same logic for "proving god". He exists, because you can't prove he doesn't. Pervs dont exist, because you can't prove they do? [20:36] Pig_Pen, portugal [20:36] briareus, i never said they don't exist. i did say they exist in small amounts compared to US [20:36] Can't priests have relations with women? You catholic? [20:36] LnxSlck_: certainly in costa rica there are fewer, because costa rica is tiny compared to the US [20:37] nille_: some faiths let them screw [20:37] nille_, yes.. and in my country they cant [20:37] nille_: the ones that dont I wouldn't let my kids within the building [20:37] briareus, in US priest can get married [20:37] at least some parts of US [20:37] I would never let my kids around a man who has taken a vow against sex [20:37] its just asking for trouble. [20:38] Here in sweden priests can do what they like to do [20:38] that is probably what causes sexual deviance, prohibiting priets from having a normal sexual relation with a wife [20:38] Pig_Pen: that's my belief, or part of it [20:38] Pig_Pen, yeah.. in here they just go and have sex [20:38] Pig_Pen, that's way pedo priests are very little [20:38] Pig_Pen: then you give them responsibility of these beautiful children and put them alone with them [20:38] its just asking for trouble, I think [20:38] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:38] yup [20:39] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:39] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:39] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] why the hell do i keep getting dropped [20:40] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:40] hiptobecubic^: two words: tooth paste [20:40] just kidding [20:40] the guy at your ISP keeps taking his finger off the button hiptobecubic^ [20:40] you meant your connection [20:41] whenever I get dropped, its usually because I didnt shower or brush enough. I tend to get whiffy [20:42] heh! my wife would make me sleep on the couch if i did not shower or brush my teeth everyday [20:42] o_O [20:42] luckily I dont have a wife [20:42] you should still shower [20:42] how come priests cant marriage in the US? sounds like bull. or weird state laws [20:42] I do [20:42] or you'll never have a wife [20:43] slackytude: they can I think [20:43] I should think so [20:43] it is a catholic dogma [20:43] against church rules [20:43] superGear: well, if I marry again I'll probably just end up killing again. [20:43] KIDDING [20:43] killing? [20:43] Pig_Pen, true that [20:43] just kidding folks [20:43] Action: superGear calls the feds [20:43] briareus, did you use to develop filesystems for linux? [20:43] I absolutely did not kill my wife as far as you know. [20:44] slackytude, huh? [20:44] slackytude: my car has both seats in it [20:44] ;) [20:44] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [20:44] ^-^ [20:44] and I'm not missing any rugs [20:44] if i stayed with my first wife i would probably be locked up in the crazy house by now, glad i left her, she was way to jealous, insecure and possesive [20:44] slackytude: did you ever read those notes in his filesystem code? [20:44] ccfreak2k, a reference to reiser [20:44] briareus, nope [20:44] slackytude: he talks about life and death and stuff [20:44] slackytude, I meant the priests thing. [20:45] Pig_Pen: you're not suppose to divorce [20:45] briareus, how is inkskape coming along? [20:45] ccfreak2k, what about it? [20:45] not as a rule, for the sake of my sanity i did [20:45] I don't really get what you're asking. [20:45] slackytude: so far, all deps have installed, so I have a feeling it will work [20:45] why it didnt last week I can only assume is that I did it in the wrong order? seems odd because I read the notes [20:45] ccfreak2k, neither am I [20:46] I'm running the ./ on the inkscape.Slackbuild now [20:46] my second wife (the one i have now) is pretty cool, she is mature and level headed, does not jump to conclusions, and easy to get along with [20:46] Pig_Pen: my current gf in just the last few days has shown some powerful jealously. The dude can't abide that. [20:47] This agression will not stand [20:47] heh [20:47] 'this jealousy for the hot chick who likes to flirt with me will not stand' [20:47] ah yes, this is the inkscape error I remember [20:48] I noticed that "american guys" usually get married more than 2 atleast in a lifetime ... [20:48] 2 times * [20:48] that would be 4 in two lifetimes then [20:48] :) [20:48] NuMaStresa: I've been in love twice in my life. I see no reason to think I won't be in love twice more. so I won't marry because it means I will inevitably divorce or cheat, and why bother. [20:48] briareus: DO NOT rush in to anything, especially a marriage, think it through very carefully because you have to live with it, there has to be some common ground between you and any woman becase after the sex you still have to have something else to share like conversaton and your thoughts [20:48] way to blow karma [20:49] briareus, what error? [20:49] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:49] slackytude: I'll pastebin it, but it will take me a few minutes, its an epic error [20:49] we like those [20:49] Bart_Y (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [20:49] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:49] I'm only 21, I don't think I'll get married too soon ... [20:50] should I start with the warnings or only the explicit errors? because the warnings are hundreds [20:50] actually I don't think I'll ever get married ... [20:50] briareus, warnings too, plz [20:51] famous last words? ;) [20:51] marriage is great as long is it is with the right person, but that does not mean there wont be some rough spots [20:51] aint that the truth :) [20:51] michael jackson is all fscked up [20:51] lol LnxSlck [20:51] LnxSlck, thats nws [20:51] NuMaStresa, true [20:52] NuMaStresa, is blind from one eye. and have all sort of medical problems [20:52] I guess I will live to see Pig_Pen [20:52] i saw on the news just now [20:52] http://pastebin.com/m5f69a6a3 <------ inkscape Slackbuild error [20:52] not to mention he looks like a rotting ghoul [20:53] LnxSlck_: what happened to jackson [20:53] he is a rotting ghoul [20:53] Pig_Pen, he has some weird disease [20:53] I will think about something serious when I'll have a stable financial state ... [20:53] he told a fan who surprised him one day with a close up no-makeup photo "you can take my picture, so long as you stand well back" and then he stood at the other end of a parking lot [20:53] eelriver (n=eelriver@c-71-202-168-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] and he looks SCARY [20:54] briareus, that's from his disease [20:54] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Connection timed out [20:54] did you know michael jackson had so many rhinoplasties (cosmetic surgury) on his nose that it destroyed it and he has a fake nose? [20:54] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:55] yep [20:55] funny output [20:55] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] well, he wanted to be white ... so ... [20:55] I like the way there here hundreds of warnings *after* the first error [20:55] Action: hiptobecubic^ kills himself. [20:55] thats a shame, nothing wrong with being naturally black [20:55] NuMaStresa, he looks a lot like the monkeys from plane of the apes [20:56] Pig_Pen, true.. and they get to have a big p#nis.. some say [20:56] roftl [20:56] I see the error is poppler related [20:56] I think he was really great, it's sad it had to end this way [20:56] damn.. mister T is awesome [20:56] http://chicago.metromix.com/music/photogallery/michael-jackson-through-the/583250/content [20:56] SCARY [20:56] hiptobecubic^, ? [20:56] same for tyson [20:56] slackytude, comcast is slightly less than reliable tonight. [20:57] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [20:57] The picture of him on the witness stand is just... freaky [20:57] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:57] freaky deaky [20:57] Linux neutrino 2.6.28-RAS #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Dec 24 17:20:33 PST 2008 i686 Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2400 @ 1.83GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [20:57] Herman (n=Hermann@h62n4c1o1003.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:57] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:57] \o/ [20:57] slackytude: poppler related? [20:57] goodboy nullboy :D [20:57] nullboy, and how is it? [20:58] all i needed to do was use the beta nvidia driver for my Quadro, works great [20:58] alienBOB, please update your vlc-test to 12.2 (and yes i know the 12.1 works in 12.2) thanks [20:58] briareus, aye [20:58] briareus, can you give me the output of ls /var/log/packages/*poppler* [20:59] . /var/log/packages/poppler-0.6.4-i486-1 /var/log/packages/poppler-data-0.2.0-noarch-1 [20:59] http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/CompilingSlackware did you read this? [20:59] no [20:59] I'll look [21:00] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-241-17-179.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:00] Transmission blows. [21:00] What a featureless client. [21:00] I like ktorrent [21:00] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/graphics/inkscape/ what about this and read about it's dependencies [21:00] NuMaStresa, so do i [21:00] briareus, have you used the patch provided with inkscrape? [21:01] This build script includes a patch that might be needed if you're building [21:01] inkscape against a newer version of poppler than what Slackware 12.1 has; [21:01] if you need it, uncomment it in the build script. [21:01] Inkscape requires boost, libsigc++, glibmm, gtkmm (which requires cairomm), [21:01] Pig_Pen: yeah I got them all [21:01] and gc, [21:01] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:01] Pig_Pen, its not a missing dependency [21:01] must be a booger to build [21:01] hiptobecubic^, IIRC Transmission is what became of BitTorrent mainline, which was devoid of features in the first place. [21:01] Pig_Pen: I just rebuilt and installed them all again since we've been chastising santa [21:01] I had the same problems with inkscape, and I remember installing all the dependencies (in 12.1) from source [21:01] slackytude: I thought that meant I didnt need it [21:01] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] slackytude: that patch [21:02] eelriver (n=eelriver@c-71-202-168-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [21:02] the error is poppler related and there is a poppler patch included. Id give it a try [21:03] the pirates are kickin' on 6925 KHZ USB tonite, sounds like smooth jazz [21:03] soul [21:03] slackytude: uncomment this line? patch -p1 < $CWD/inkscape-0.46-poppler-0.8.3.patch [21:04] because it's already uncommented [21:04] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-241-17-179.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] I must have tried that, or maybe I should comment it? [21:05] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:06] it would follow the logic [21:07] do you have that popplar patch [21:07] yeah, the patch is at least aimed at the general problem [21:07] i would apply the patch or let the slackbuild apply it [21:08] AH, I think I found out what it is, or a clue at least [21:08] the comments in the inkscape poppler patch I have say: [21:08] # Add a patch from Gentoo so that this version of inkscape [21:08] # will build on 12.2 [21:08] but the one on the page for the 12.1 version says > 12.1 [21:09] I must have pulled the wrong one [21:09] or maybe, I'm getting it now [21:09] Kircey (n=micheal@pool-71-253-125-96.eriepa.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving." [21:09] that line is commented for me [21:09] you said it was uncommented for you? [21:09] I might have gone back for the patch and got the patch for 12.2 accidentally [21:10] briareus, do yourself a favor and get sbopkg [21:10] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:10] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:11] i would also suggest deleteing the inkscape source and unpacking a fresh copy of the source code so any mistakes make on what you have now are gone [21:11] merry xmas to all of gmt-2 :P [21:12] briareus, anyway, you screwed it up somewhere. that patch makes inkscrape call a function that is not in 12.1 poppler, hence the error [21:12] ok, refreshed that tar.gz and the patch, the text changed. I must have got the patch.tar for the wrong version. [21:12] text changed -> line commented? [21:12] jjholt (n=jjholt@cpe-98-30-55-57.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:12] not only that, the text itself changed [21:12] see the "12.2" I mentioned above? [21:13] heh, yeah [21:13] # Add a patch from Gentoo so that this version of inkscape [21:13] # will build on >12.1 If you need this, uncomment it. [21:13] that's what it says now [21:13] yeah, got that too [21:13] that slackbuild page defaulting to 12.2 now trips me up [21:13] I keep telling you [21:13] and I have yet to have time to sit down and learn how to upgrade [21:13] yeah I'm going to get what you said, I want a bit more automation [21:14] just a word of warning, sbopkg will default to 12.2, too. however, you can set your version once in the config and it will get the right stuff [21:15] NuMaStresa (i=NuMaStre@unaffiliated/numastresa) left irc: [21:16] briareus, you follow the UPGRADE.TXT by the way [21:17] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware/UPGRADE.TXT [21:17] eh, wrong one [21:18] hey is there a way to create an ntfs partition from within slack [21:18] or i gotta do it in windows? [21:18] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/UPGRADE.TXT [21:19] ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [21:19] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/howto-upgrade-to-slackware-12.2-690454/ [21:19] Shrp_: you can make a virtual machine if you have the space, look into Virtualbox [21:19] thanks slackytude [21:19] Shrp_, cfdisk will do it [21:19] oooh, partition, sorry [21:19] of cfdisk can do it? cool [21:21] cfdisk or if you are repartitioning / reallocating space, the command parted will do, with graphical frontends gparted or qtparted [21:21] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [21:21] nah new partition [21:22] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Leaving" [21:22] i just want it ntfs so i can access it in windows.. not that i will be accessing it much in windows.. but just in case [21:22] :) [21:22] Shrp_ : vfat is a viable option [21:23] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:23] jjholt (n=jjholt@cpe-98-30-55-57.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:24] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [21:24] gnubien (n=e@125.242.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:25] Shrp_: fdisk/cfdisk can create the partition (use type 7), but *formatting* it within linux requires ntfsprogs (mkntfs) [21:25] w4lk (n=w4lk@cpe-024-031-104-201.sc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:25] I'm with ananke...use vfat, unless you need larger file support for some reason [21:26] hrm.. [21:26] Shrp_: what are you storing on the partition? [21:26] random stuff, docs, vids, songs [21:26] etc. [21:26] jjholt (n=jjholt@cpe-98-30-55-57.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:26] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:27] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:28] if they're under 2G in size, then just use vfat (fat32). [21:28] inkscape slackbuild SUCCESSFUL [21:28] Under linux fat32 is stable and reliable. [21:28] well i was just seeing if it could be done from within slack.. I am not going to create one right now. But I shall look into vfat [21:28] ...but slow [21:28] contratulations :D [21:28] I'm so glad we talked about this, I really thought that it was a package problem [21:29] your other option is an ext driver for winders (assuming you're using ext) [21:29] i just want to figure out what i am going to put on their.. if i create the partition i'll fill it up just like the rest of em [21:29] reiserfs [21:29] Shrp_, well you could get ntfsprog too, I guess [21:30] briareus, see [21:30] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [21:32] yeh i'll check that out also [21:32] thx SpacePlod and slackytude [21:33] ;) [21:34] ^-^ [21:34] np Shrp_ [21:35] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:35] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:42] never heard of it [21:42] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl4-213-36.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [21:42] hiptobecubic^, I like the way you go up and down, babe [21:44] Slaxxer (n=brian@ip72-204-125-6.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:44] slackytude, i get that a lot [21:44] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-158-110.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [21:44] from your mom? [21:45] edman007, mostly. [21:46] :) [21:46] jjholt (n=jjholt@cpe-98-30-55-57.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:46] edman007, she does a lot of that too [21:46] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:46] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:47] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:47] lol...and there you go again [21:48] edman007, i can't get enough [21:49] Hip, my Comcast is usually pretty stable. [21:52] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.17.211) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:54] rob0, as is mine. i don't know what's going on here [21:54] Kircey (n=micheal@pool-71-253-125-96.eriepa.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] you're unstable [21:55] unstable router ... or yeah, that [21:55] LnxSlck_ (n=LnxSlck@bl4-213-36.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:55] Phil-san (n=philipp@p54BFFDC5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:56] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:56] i suppose i could turn everything off and on again.... [21:57] at least power cycle the cable modem for about 20 seconds [21:57] just keep it off [21:57] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:58] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:58] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] the Slackware x11 build setup is actually pretty neat [22:00] i've been working with it for a couple days now and you can easily modify single modules of X just by creating patches and configure file and naming by the module you want to build [22:01] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "lvm" [22:01] Phil-san (n=philipp@p54BFFDC5.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:02] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [22:03] zacharym (n=dude@adsl-69-209-103-74.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) left irc: [22:06] sherique (n=se@69.150.48.196) joined ##slackware. [22:07] thebag (n=chatzill@75-119-235-159.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [22:07] I'm trying to run slax live, but my computer always freezes at "Triggering udev events: /sbin/udevadm trigger" [22:07] anyone know what may be wrong? [22:08] this is not a slax channel [22:08] slax!=slackware [22:08] we don't know anything about slax [22:08] nathanbw (n=nathan@72.168.9.85) left irc: "Leaving" [22:09] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:09] oh... what is slax? [22:09] you tell us [22:09] you use it [22:09] you guys wnat a funny story? [22:09] what's the use of /sbin/udevadm [22:09] zuhair, read the man page [22:09] briareus: shoot :) [22:09] zuhair, controlls / debugs udev [22:09] no I just wanted to get a live cd because windows won't boot! I found slax through a webpage [22:09] I'd throw out a rough guess, however, that something in udev is having a problem. [22:10] edman007, I got no /sbin/udevadm on my Slack [22:10] ah, maybe it's the same thing that Windows is having trouble with. [22:10] zuhair, your running 12.2? [22:10] my gf today at work saw this girl who likes me sit at the lunch table with me. I said to the girl, you gotta go I am having lunch with my gf. She got up and left. My gf is the jealous type and didn't believe me. We got into it and I said HEY I DID THE RIGHT THING when I sent the girl away. This is ACT 1... [22:10] edman007, it's 12.0 [22:10] ya probably... but my computer doesn't tell me anything about what may be wrong [22:10] it just doesn't booy [22:10] *boot [22:11] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:11] zuhair, well that should answer it...i don't think 12.0 has it [22:11] 12.2 uses it? udevadm? [22:11] ...Act 2: I am sitting here in slackware channel for like 3 hours, chatting away, waiting for my gf to call me. She never does. I pick up the phone to call her just now, it says 22 missed calls. The ringer was off. My gf is convinced I am screwing around on her, and I tried to tell her I was geeking out with all of you. SHE DOESNT BELIEVE ME. Hahaahah [22:11] zuhair, and 12.1 [22:12] thebag: it tells you more than it tells me ;) [22:12] briareus: ^5 [22:12] try booting in single user mode? [22:12] I am the geek who is cheating on my girl with #slackware and she's convinced I'm out getting laid? THAT IS FUNNY SHIT MAN [22:12] zuhair, yea, a bunch of udev utils got combined to create udevadm, so old version don't have udevadm, new versions don't have the old utils [22:12] briareus: its Christmas eve man [22:12] do the right thing [22:12] dump her [22:12] foldingstock: LOL [22:12] there's no christmas [22:13] foldingstock: I'm telling you man, she just accused me of fucking around on her and there's only one thing I don't tolerate and that's being called a liar. [22:13] Is "rkeene" the correct nick for the developer of rkeene.org? [22:13] rob0: most likely... but I don't see anything... when booting normally it gets passed the bios screen then there's a flashing "_" character, and nothing happens.... [22:13] foldingstock: I am totally innocent!!!!!!!!! Oh well, if it ends this way, it was meant to. [22:13] lol [22:13] when booting from linux live cd (tried damnsmalllinux, vectorlinux, slax) they all freeze at different times [22:14] what if your whole story is crap, and the truth is you're cheating on us? [22:14] try booting in single user mode? [22:14] rob0: how do I do that? [22:14] I don't even know what that is [22:14] I don't know. I've never used any of those. [22:14] briareus, sounds like your having fun [22:14] edman007, slackytude: what's the name of the package? [22:14] In Slackware it's usually "linux single" at the LILO prompt. [22:14] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [22:14] foldingstock: I am cheating you all with a virtualbox of XP2 [22:15] zuhair, what? [22:15] edman007: hehe, this is my life. Accused of fucking when I'm sitting with the phone 2 feet away from me, silently raging at me. [22:15] blasphemy [22:15] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:16] Jealousy is not a good thing. [22:16] edman007, the package that contains udevadm [22:16] nope, it isn't [22:16] in the old, is it "udev"? [22:16] briareus, my phone likes to not give me text messages, i got people who send me a dozen text messages, and then 3 hours later only the last one comes through, and all i see is "where are you?!?!" [22:16] especially when I am not cheating, it makes me want to cheat and at least earn the crap. [22:16] thebag, you could try slx with no automatic hardware detection on boot [22:16] i'm sitting there waiting for a text message and dozens get lost in the system [22:16] thebag, http://www.slax.org/documentation_boot_cheatcodes.php [22:16] man this is sad [22:16] edman007: yeha I've had that. You get a message at 1:45am that says "fuck you its over!!!!" [22:16] this isn't #slax [22:17] briareus: XP2? you dirty, dirty man [22:17] briareus, lol [22:17] hahah [22:17] zuhair, dont [22:17] zuhair, if your on 12.0 its not in there [22:17] you use other tools to do the same stuff [22:18] Action: foureyes779 plays with his slackpkg [22:18] slackytude: ok, I'll try, thank you! [22:20] Wow, what a night. The worst part is, the girl is hot!!! The best part is, the girl is hot and as soon as I was dating her I got lots of attention from other women at work. [22:21] thats always so [22:21] anyone with experience with abcde? [22:22] wtf is abcde? [22:22] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-3-73.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:23] there he goes again [22:23] cd ripper [22:23] its a cli tool that rips encodes and labels [22:23] abcde [22:23] great name [22:23] its my first time, and I set the config to use lame and its not using lame, but it is using the other configs I specified [22:24] MP3ENCODERSYNTAX=lame [22:25] but its defaulting to ogg [22:25] got lame? [22:25] yeah, installed it just before installing the abcde (its a dep) [22:25] Glim (n=sven@p50862AD7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [22:26] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [22:27] ah, found it I think [22:27] nighty night, i got to go to sleep so santa will come visit me :D [22:27] # Paths of programs to use [22:27] LAME=lame [22:27] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:27] gawd, TwinReverb is coming. Its late [22:27] Action: TwinReverb is still juggling data with lvm2 but at least hasn't lost anything and hasn't ran into any problems (it's just how long it takes to move that much data. has nothing to do with LVM2) [22:27] should be /usr/bin/lame [22:27] Thu Dec 25 12:27:21 KST 2008 [22:27] define late :) [22:27] too late [22:27] Action: slackytude goes sleep [22:27] KST? [22:27] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] happy xmas and stuff [22:28] korea standard time [22:28] Klondike Standard Time? [22:28] oh [22:28] i'm US military and i'm stationed overseas and my wife can't go with me so i'm here by myself and she's hanging out with family [22:28] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: " -------> that way out" [22:28] briareus: if there was a klondike standard time, that time would read "NOW" all the time (because i could always use a klondike bar) [22:29] and yes, merry christmas [22:29] remember, the season is about being humble and giving to the poor [22:29] so hand out linux live dvds or something :D [22:30] just don't hand out mandriva dvds because they'll install it and forget to specify that it should not delete windows [22:30] TwinReverb: Thank you & merry Christmas [22:30] granted, that's the one sure-fire way to improve vista: dump it :D [22:30] a friend of mine did that last night lol X.X [22:30] sherique (n=se@69.150.48.196) left irc: [22:31] TwinReverb: God damnit, I'm a hippy beatnik waster (some sorta free-thinking anarchist or somesuch) and I can't get it together to be nasty to you :) ...being away from people you love fucking sucks so here's a happy xmas from fuzzix in Dublin. [22:31] hehe [22:31] christmas is about being good to others [22:31] even if they work at microsoft [22:31] eww [22:32] Aye, even though I'm an atheist. Don't even believe in "Bob". [22:32] fuzzix: but what if there is a God and you're actually God but you don't know it. would you concede that there's even a small possibility? [22:32] Well, I do a bit... I believe in the amount of slack. [22:32] or what if (say) patrick is bob [22:32] er God [22:32] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:33] If I'm god then god's a malicious prick and EVERYONE's suspicions are confirmed. [22:33] but there's at least a small possibility that there is a God and we just can't detect Him yet, right? [22:33] Sure, that's always possible... it's just that the existing stories are pretty unlikely. [22:33] sherique (n=se@69.150.48.196) joined ##slackware. [22:34] congratulations: you're agnostic, not athiest, for an athiest would've said that there is absolutely no possibility :D :P [22:34] and so merry Christmas :D [22:34] amen [22:34] merry christmas :P [22:34] now i'll go to ye old dining hall (mess hall, cafeteria lol) and see if ye christmas grub is worth the eating [22:35] where did slakytude go?? [22:35] TwinReverb: Nah, I'm weighing the possibilities. There's no god you can show me... but if you manage to show me then I'll re-evaluate my views [22:35] Where are the options defined for new bash shells? for example.. ls has options passed to it by default [22:35] oh and btw, fwiw, lvm and lvm2 can be created on even usb devices and even usb devices can be used to add to a lvm even if only temporarily [22:35] slackytude [22:35] so l8r [22:36] bbiab [22:36] Until you pull something amazing out your ass, atheist [22:37] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:37] Teapot atheist? [22:37] toogle [22:39] Mr-S (n=sven@p508629B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:39] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:40] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] Vorgsoul (i=63ba2585@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-dfc502de7f56aed3) joined ##slackware. [22:41] root@slackbook1420:/home/briareus/SLACKWARES/id3v2# ./id3v2.SlackBuild [22:41] tar: This does not look like a tar archive [22:41] ? [22:41] the id3v2-0.1.11.tar.gz is in there [22:42] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [22:42] briareus: it may of been up gzipped [22:42] briareus, file it [22:42] sometimes a browser will do that [22:43] Merry Christmas [22:43] for all [22:43] anyone have an easily accessible example of using cat in a script to build a config file? [22:44] cat << EOF > config.conf [22:44] config blah [22:44] EOF [22:44] thanks man [22:44] thanks [22:44] thanks [22:45] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) joined ##slackware. [22:45] sooo hows it goin in the world of slackware? [22:46] slackware is becoming the world itself [22:46] eh if only lol [22:46] That's the plan for 2009 alright. [22:48] just seein how muc slackware has come from 9 to 12.2 i cant wait for 13 lol [22:48] much* [22:50] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:51] Jaysus, I was walkin someone through putting vfat on a portable disk earlier. Their XP install wouldn't do it, of course (XP Home will only do NTFS) so we walked through it on ubuntu. Jumpin jesus, that thing is needlessly complex. [22:52] yeah I noticed when I was trying to walk someone through some stuff on the phone, I ended up narrating commandlines [22:52] I couldn't find out what device node the thing was assigned from dmesg or moint output... looked at lots of other stuff... took a reasonable guess at /dev/sdb [22:53] Ah, we started in the shell. [22:53] This is a smart cookie... But I couldn't understand why Ubuntu did such out of the way shit. [22:54] The disk came formatted ntfs - we went through cfdisk and mkdosfs with few problems but you'd think Ubuntu uses ntfs-3g, right? [22:55] Who knows what it was using but the mount line I asked for was total ballacks. [22:55] Vorgsoul (i=63ba2585@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-dfc502de7f56aed3) left ##slackware. [22:56] All I wanted to know was if the thing was sdb or something else - no sign of that in mtab or dmesg. [22:56] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-158-110.epm.net.co) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:57] It's as if they're doing a red hat and planning an ubuntu certified programme. [22:57] Where you learn off numbers. [22:58] I had a red hat certified lecturer. Debian confused the shit out of him. [23:00] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [23:01] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-158-110.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [23:03] Vorgsoul (i=63ba2585@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-436fb96acad0a6de) joined ##slackware. [23:06] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [23:07] fuzzix, Canonical is about a step away from such a thing. [23:07] Phil-san (n=philipp@p54BFFDC5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] ccfreak2k: Yeah, the innards are gettin very esoteric. [23:08] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [23:09] I think the comptia cert. for linux now has questions relating to rh AND debian [23:10] rob0: you around ? [23:10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%2B_certification#Linux.2B yep [23:11] I think A+ cert. is worth getting, not too hard, good to have in a resume [23:12] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.144.113) joined ##slackware. [23:12] What, in lieu of a degree and demonstrable interest in the field? [23:13] hah, no, I'm speaking as an EET [23:14] !ping [23:14] Cool! Which planet you from? :) [23:14] heh [23:14] but I suppose having that in addition to a CS degree wouldn't be too bad either [23:14] Kircey (n=micheal@pool-71-253-125-96.eriepa.dsl-w.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [23:15] What, your interviewers hate certifications? [23:15] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:15] ccfreak2k: :) [23:15] eet = electrical eng. technician [23:16] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [23:16] My CCNA isn't on my CV. Fucking thing was a joke. Cisco truly are a buncha wank. I never want to work with their kit again. This certification is detrimental to my sanity. [23:17] IOS is about as slick as your average DSL router interface. [23:18] Therefore, all certs are bad. [23:18] Precisely! [23:20] Vorgsoul (i=63ba2585@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-436fb96acad0a6de) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [23:21] Nah, I know a whole set of cert collecting nitwits who I wouldn't let near a toaster, let alone a server. I know fuckers with CS degrees who couldn't edit a config with a HOWTO in front of them... so what o you look for? [23:21] *do [23:21] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:21] heret|c (n=heretic@adsl-232-63-77.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:22] !ping [23:22] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) left irc: "::" [23:22] I don't disagree that experience trumps certs and degrees. [23:22] There's a guy with the the degree I'm working towards... he's out in Teh Real World right now. He sends me the occasional text message asking about the difference between '/' and '/root/' [23:24] consfearacy (i=test@88.236.179.199) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:24] can you teach me to be as cool as you? [23:24] Heh. [23:24] nullboy, first you gotta stab yourself in the face with a soldering iron :D [23:24] damn [23:24] Wee (n=grieve@CPE-70-92-7-116.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:25] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] nullboy: You're hired! [23:25] lol [23:25] damn, gettin late, time to go play santa, brb [23:26] Later Fellas! [23:26] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [23:27] Action: fuzzix drinks some more. Huh? HUH?! [23:28] Nick change: Wee -> Ficthe [23:28] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:28] habaneros (n=ro0tSlin@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] connection broke - eet = electrical eng. technician, anyway. [23:29] Ficthe: Aye :) [23:31] Phil-san_ (n=philipp@p54BFBD02.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] nullboy: Listen to The Boredoms. Strangers will respect you. [23:31] (They probably won't but at least you heard some good tunes) [23:32] Phil-san (n=philipp@p54BFFDC5.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:33] i thought technician and engineer couldn't mix [23:33] like steps on a ladder, you're either a technician, or you're above that and an engineer. [23:35] the technicians tend not to be in lalaland, that is probably the main difference [23:38] maduser (n=kevin@71.167.185.156) joined ##slackware. [23:39] Nick change: Phil-san_ -> Phil-san [23:40] cd #slackbuilds [23:40] oh w.t.f [23:40] Haha. [23:40] that's more wtfx2 than just wtf [23:41] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:44] KillrSunsetNinja (n=KillrSun@adsl-68-92-141-71.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:45] geeze 12.2 already ? [23:45] that one snuck up on me [23:45] Soul_keeper: it happens, haha [23:46] Hi all. Have you guys upgraded from 12.1 to 12.2? [23:46] just noticed i had glibc 2.3.6 giving me compatibility issues with something, checked slackware for packages saw 12.2 then cat /etc/slackware-version saw 11.0 :( [23:46] lol that system will need upgraded [23:47] ganeshix: yes. [23:47] Soul_keeper: yeah...probably a good call [23:47] Is it difficult/risky? I've never done it, just installed from scratch... [23:47] Soul_keeper: perhaps better to reinstall. To many changes and upgrading from less than 12.1 is not really supported/recommended. [23:48] ganeshix: as long as you read UPGRADE.TXT, CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT, use upgradepkg or slackpkg, move all the .new files before rebooting and run lilo .. yo ushould be fine. YMMV [23:49] Phil-san (n=philipp@p54BFBD02.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:49] KillrSunsetNinja (n=KillrSun@adsl-68-92-141-71.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) left ##slackware. [23:49] BP{k}, thank you. I feel better now. I'll do that. I'm reburning my slack disks... [23:49] pgate (n=john@24.32.64.234) joined ##slackware.