[00:01] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) joined ##slackware. [00:02] I just installed slackware after a few years with Archlinux and I was wondering when did slack stop using ~/.xinitrc?> Thanks [00:03] you can use .xinitrc i do via "startx" [00:04] I know that [00:05] nyRednek_ (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:05] I just remember controlling what wm to start by using ~/.xinitrc Mind you this was back with version 10.1 [00:05] I was just curious when it was changed [00:06] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] back before the windows manager controled xinit [00:06] I dunno maybe my memory is deceiving me [00:06] oh , no idea when xwmconfig was 1st introduced, cause i never use it. [00:07] comhack: how are you starting X? [00:07] it's always been a precendence issue, your user xinitrc takes precedence over the system-wuide one [00:07] startx [00:07] if you use startx say [00:07] comhack: uhm slackware still uses .xinitrc. [00:07] ah ok [00:07] unless you use KDM in Runlevel4 .. than it's ignored [00:08] so if you have no ~/.xinitrc then /usr/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc gets the sugar [00:08] cool thanks just what I needed to know [00:08] I forget, with KDM or XDM, isn't it .xsession that gets run? [00:09] hemi_426 (n=moo@a88-11-23.stars.net.sa) joined ##slackware. [00:12] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:13] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:13] i was buying some stuff today and someone was singing an REM song out loud (first mistake), the funny part was they would sing the chorus as "Only in Jamaica, Only in Jamaica..." [00:13] I'm looking at the system Xsession script now. You want any stuff you need to start in ~/.xprofile. [00:16] Nick change: nyRednek_ -> nyRednek [00:17] mancha: My pop culture is bad. Which song/album? I haven't listened to them since "Life's Rich Pageant." [00:18] guys its only u chatting here ? [00:18] eh? [00:18] Who else would it be? [00:18] the 200 and something poeple laying thr >>>>>>>>>>>> [00:18] what about them [00:18] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:18] <<<<<<<<<< new to IRC [00:19] The only thing I see to the right is...a scroll bar [00:19] I dunno why the scroll bar isn't talking [00:19] lol [00:19] Try prodding it [00:19] "You turn right. You see a scroll bar." [00:19] i see a list of 268 poeple [00:20] Action: caoliver thinks "This text adventure game suxors!" [00:20] 267 now [00:20] Most of which are idle [00:20] Welcome to IRC. [00:20] can i start a discussion ? [00:20] nope [00:20] ... your new life. [00:20] no talking allowed [00:20] Nor typing. [00:21] so whats allowed ? [00:21] nothing [00:21] Infact, for your previous typing...you owe approximately $35.49 [00:21] fooling others [00:21] abing (n=abing@218.94.136.162) joined ##slackware. [00:21] Deception is strongly frowned upon. [00:21] I hope you have $36 in Slackware support credit [00:21] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving." [00:22] im not satisfied by the service so im not paying [00:22] sIRC (n=sIRC@122-148-175-5.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) joined ##slackware. [00:22] hemi_426: meditation is allowed [00:22] hemi_426: kthxbai [00:22] :D shonudo [00:22] Your connection should be terminated soon. [00:23] obviesly [00:23] where did i do wrong ? [00:23] About four miles back. You should have turned left. [00:23] the moment you came out of the vaginal canal. [00:23] Well..you owe about $42 [00:23] ever been to albuquerque? [00:23] you should have taken the left [00:23] :D damn [00:24] caoliver, i am not a rem fan but i know enough to know those aren't the lyrics. song...sidewinder perhaps [00:24] room full of psycos :D [00:24] i like that [00:24] $48 [00:24] I used to be a bit of a fan, then they put out crap such as "Green." [00:25] i used to screw with new poeple on yahoo linux chat room [00:25] it was a right past the jiffy lube that's next to nancy's tittie bar. not a LEFT [00:25] its time to payback [00:26] my mistake mancha; i never know what direction i'm going in when i leave nancy's [00:27] guys how does MySQL helps in a mail server ? [00:27] i have many questions >> cant find the place to discuss them [00:27] It only helps if you need it. [00:28] ok lets say i want it to hold the user list [00:28] You can do that. [00:28] it does that [00:28] it's a database [00:28] good [00:28] you can set it up to do whatever you want [00:28] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [00:29] the problem is i didnt find any tutorial mention that [00:29] or where do i have to creat the file [00:29] and wich format [00:30] does anyone have a good link to some sort of decumentation [00:30] shonudo, amen brother, i've often found myself lost after driving out of nancy's. [00:30] hemi_426: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/ [00:30] waking up the next day missing a shoe, with a new tatoo, and some phone number written in red lipstick stuffed in my wallet [00:31] i hate the tatoo part; everything else can be replaced or cleaned up [00:31] thnx shonudo [00:32] do u guys recommend MySQL as a database for a common domain server [00:32] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.17.158) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:32] it will hold apache and the normal stuff [00:32] mail too as mention [00:32] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.17.158) joined ##slackware. [00:32] and why not else like postreg [00:33] Why are you trying to stuff everything into mysql? [00:33] |dfrank| (n=dfrank@94.19.35.79) joined ##slackware. [00:34] so the server operations can be centeralized around a dadtabase [00:35] and im not an expert [00:35] its just that i have just rented a server online and i want to learn on [00:35] Ah! [00:35] how to make a decent LAMP [00:35] zsh historywhere is the acpi command in slackware? [00:35] I used to use acpi -v to find info on my battery and such [00:35] but the command no longer seems to be presented [00:36] zsh history the acpi command? there are various ways to interface with acpid [00:36] sorry, forget zsh history [00:36] just asking about the acpi command [00:36] zsh historyyou need to install a client to interface [00:36] AusLoki: install acpi from slackbuilds.org. [00:36] didnt it use to come with slack by default? [00:36] zsh historyand listen to bpk for all things sbo, he da man [00:36] root (n=root@pool-72-65-102-94.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:36] root kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: unixfool: Using an IRC client as root is very dangerous. Please create a user account and return to the channel under it. [00:38] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:38] I have switched to zsh as my primary shell, partly to learn it, though I have some weird behaviour [00:38] when I log in, my prompt is username@hostname [00:38] does: wget http://www.dropbox.com/download?dl=packages/dropbox.py give you a "missing URL" error? [00:38] whenever i launch an xterm or urxvt it only shows as hostname [00:38] I've found a few warts in my adventures with ZSH as well. [00:38] AusLoki: not that I am aware. (re acpi) [00:38] cause it does for me and I don't understand why [00:39] BP{k}: OK, thanks. It's been a while since I used slack, so memories are rusty [00:39] SiegeX: no. [00:39] hmm, time to reinstall wget [00:39] also, zsh does not seem to be recording history [00:39] SiegeX: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/gTIY1R34.html [00:39] zsh historyyou can also access stuff directly, like /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state [00:39] as in, when a new xterm/urxvt is started, it is blank [00:40] very weird, reinstalled it. same thing [00:40] SiegeX: No problem here either. [00:40] GNU Wget 1.11.4 [00:41] Same here. [00:41] same [00:41] hmm, must be a Bash4 thing [00:41] i had to quote it [00:41] the URL it is [00:41] *that is [00:42] maybe, dl's no problem here [00:42] mancha: are you running bash4? [00:42] negatory [00:42] Thanx guys [00:42] let me switch back to 3.x [00:42] see if that makes the diff [00:42] i'll be back (R) [00:43] bash 4 scares me [00:43] What's the version in Slakc 13? [00:43] s/kc/ck/ [00:43] GNU Wget 1.11.4 [00:43] I mean bash [00:44] GNU bash, version 3.1.17(2)-release (x86_64-slackware-linux-gnu) [00:44] Thanks! I shouldn't see and shell script breakage then. [00:44] s/and/any/ [00:45] I think it would be a good idea for me to init 0 and hit the sack. My eyes are drooping, and I've a drive tomorrow. [00:45] c'ya [00:46] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-80-29.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [00:46] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [00:46] Action: andarius has GNU bash, version 4.0.35(1)-release-(i686-pc-linux-gnu) :o [00:46] hmm odd. same thing with bash 3.1.17 [00:47] somethign else is up [00:47] cu caoliver [00:47] Action: SiegeX is on 4.0.35(2)-release [00:48] basically just used the bash4 in testing and updated the patches dir to the latest (35) and rebuilt [00:48] but ya, bash4 is not the culprit. very weird [00:48] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:48] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-66-217.gwi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:49] what happens with s/wget/lynx/ [00:49] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [00:49] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-66-217.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:49] But perhaps your bashrc or profile are culprits. [00:50] a good alt when testing wget type stuff is to use curl :) [00:50] heh, same deal [00:50] $ curl http://www.dropbox.com/download?dl=packages/dropbox.py [00:50] curl: try 'curl --help' or 'curl --manual' for more information [00:50] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-203-137.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [00:50] let me login with no ~/.bashrc [00:51] if you are trying to DL something from a link like that your odds are not good [00:51] pwd [00:52] bahh [00:52] yep, must be something in my bashrc, good call [00:52] hopefully not my prompt [00:52] Ah. That question mark is read as a wildcard. [00:53] that link redirects to the actual DL, so no, I doubtit has anything to do with your prompt or bash [00:53] well when i moved ~/.bashrc to ~/.bashrc.bak and relogged in, wget worked without the quotes [00:54] noglob? [00:54] cpunches (n=cpunches@pool-72-65-102-94.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [00:55] i accidentally chose the wrooooong font during an install [00:55] i thought the tool to use in this scene was fontconfig? [00:55] i cant even see what im typing lol [00:55] im going to have to wait for the screen to scroll [00:56] looked fine during the install [00:56] extglob [00:56] I have a feeling you're doing something odd with globbing (wild card expansion) [00:56] too much shopting is bad for the heart [00:56] luckily i can carry entire conversations without input from my protagonist! :D [00:57] And the wallet. [00:57] hah [00:57] let me consult my printout of the slackbook. i know it's good on fonts... [00:57] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-203-137.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:58] page 3: 'A'. Page 4: 'c'; next'k' [00:58] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [00:58] Hello People. [00:58] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [00:59] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.200.51) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:59] ahh right, it's extglob most likely [01:00] it's a very good font, it's just half the screen is, well, offscreen [01:00] god this sucks. [01:00] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:01] too bad you can still type on irc [01:01] i am now at the mercy, blind, to already irritated regulars and admins LOL [01:02] I deserve this. [01:02] what's the syntax of /ignore again? :) [01:02] nope, not extglob [01:03] AusLoki (n=josh@c-69-142-146-176.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:05] :( [01:06] mancha your mother smells of elderberries. [01:06] uh oh.. [01:06] had to go and mention the elderberries... way to go. [01:07] Action: init[1] pings slackboy [01:07] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:07] she so ugly the halloween kids trick or treat by telephone [01:07] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-80-29.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [01:08] Throw yo yo ma from the train. [01:08] psyber (n=psyber@pool-71-240-140-215.hrbgpa.btas.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:08] 'night. Celebrate something. [01:08] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [01:08] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.17.158) left irc: Success [01:09] why cant i find this command. [01:10] what command ? [01:10] or what are you trying to do ? [01:10] ha how did i guess mancha would be the meanie [01:11] :P [01:11] This is like that movie [01:11] the langoliers [01:12] cpunches: setconsolefont [01:12] psyber (n=psyber@pool-71-240-140-215.hrbgpa.btas.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:12] SiegeX found the problem yet? [01:12] < agentc0re> had to go and mention... is where im at [01:12] You don't use the console anyway (right? Come on, admit it), so why change the font there? [01:14] hrm [01:15] slackguru (n=trimmer@63-228-162-86.cdrr.qwest.net) left irc: "Haha, you quit!" [01:15] AusLoki (n=josh@c-69-142-146-176.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-47.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:17] cd /usr/share/fonts or ~/.fonts then mkfontscale mkfontdir then fc-cache-vf and/or unicode_start. is what i do after installing decent fonts [01:19] cpunches (n=cpunches@pool-72-65-102-94.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:20] cpunches (n=cpunches@pool-72-65-102-94.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [01:20] rworkman: thank you :) ::smooch:: [01:20] i mean fc-cache -vf. [01:20] cpunches: You're not *that* welcome. [01:20] hehe [01:21] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:22] that was the strangest thing; do you know why that font worked ok during the installer, but the screenspace was so off after booting? [01:22] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [01:22] cpunches: framebuffer perhaps [01:22] |dfrank| (n=dfrank@94.19.35.79) left irc: Client Quit [01:27] abing (n=abing@218.94.136.162) left irc: "leaving" [01:27] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:29] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:32] MLanden (n=Nevah@pool-72-82-76-165.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:32] heya,slackers...How's everyone? [01:33] keen [01:33] peachy...:D [01:36] I want to start playing with kvm and virtual machines [01:36] Is it correct that I don't need qemu at all, only kvm(which has its own qemu)? [01:37] I found the guide on aliens wiki, but it only mentions qemu, not kvm at all [01:38] sIRC (n=sIRC@122-148-175-5.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) left irc: [01:38] there are two parts to using KVM. The kernel modules called kvm and kvm-intel or kvm-amd. The second part is the userspace tool which is just a version of qemu which the kvm project has adapted to use the kernel modules. [01:41] Yep, I got that far [01:41] Is it possible to patch the kernel with kvm support to make use of a kernel without module support? [01:42] Recent kernels have the KVM modules already included so all that you really need is the KVM version of qemu. The KVM project posts sources for the kernel modules and the user space tool. You can get the combo of both or the modules and the qemu separately. [01:42] AusLoki: Which kernel are you using? [01:42] latest stable, 2.6.32 [01:43] That kernel supports KVM [01:43] without using modules? [01:43] are the KVM options built in? [01:43] i'm not sure, but that is my question - can I build in KVM without needing to have it as a module? [01:44] It would have to be a module if you built it outside of the kernel... [01:44] but the kernel supports kvm [01:44] and 2.6.32 isn't the latest stable. [01:44] so I can just build it in, and not need any modules at all? [01:45] or when I get the kvm slackbuild, will it build the amd and intel modules regardless? [01:45] yes [01:45] damn [01:46] but if you are using 2.6.32.* you should use the modules that come with the kernel and only build the userspace [01:46] so it isnt possible to use kvm unless modules are enabled? no way to patch intel or amd support in? [01:46] 2.6.32.2 will have newer modules than the kvm package will provide. [01:46] dude [01:46] you either have kernel support for kvm or you don't. [01:46] perhaps I'm not being clear [01:46] and you also need to make sure you have a supported CPU [01:47] 1. The kernel must have support for KVM, which I assume can be a module or built in. 2. I then need to get the KVM source, and compile that, which as I understand it also compiles the intel and amd modules [01:47] it does but you do not need to use that package. [01:48] what I want to know, is if I can simply build in support in the kernle, and avoid using the intel/amd modules [01:48] do you get what I mean? [01:48] if you have the newest 2.6.32 you want to only build the userspace tool and use the KVM kernel drivers that come with the kernel. [01:48] OK [01:48] So, I can do that without having modules enabled at all [01:48] And if you are using 2.6.32* on slackware you must have built it yourself anyway so just rebuild the kernel with the support you need. [01:48] theoretically? [01:49] no [01:49] why not? [01:49] the answer is yes, you can build it into the kernel, no need for it to be a module [01:49] If you plan to build the kvm driver outside of the kernel build your kernel must support module loading. [01:49] ok yep [01:49] thankyou [01:49] Sorry if I was not asking my question clearly [01:50] you weren't [01:50] ok, my apologies [01:50] I will just grab the qemu-kvm slackbuild, and as long as my kernel has support that should be all? [01:51] you processor needs to have vt [01:51] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:51] yep it does [01:51] s/you/your [01:51] and enabled in the bios and everything is ready to go [01:52] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:54] ohdannyboy (n=dan@pool-96-254-20-102.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:55] quick question, which arguments to du would it be to just show the total size for each subdir under / ? [01:57] du --max-depth=1 / [01:57] you might want to use -h too unless you like big numbers [01:59] cpunches (n=cpunches@pool-72-65-102-94.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:59] spiko (n=spiko@89-212-66-54.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:59] urthwrm (n=urthwrm@124-170-224-88.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:59] cheers [02:00] welcome [02:00] urthwrm (n=urthwrm@124-170-224-88.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:01] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:01] urthwrm (n=urthwrm@124-170-224-88.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:01] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-122-11-189.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:06] urthwrm (n=urthwrm@124-170-224-88.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. 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[05:46] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:46] Just wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of a netboot cd for slackware [05:46] i know there is one i've used it before but i cant rmemeber where i found it [05:48] Hmm. I'm looking on the ftp myself and I found the etherboot images but I don't think that's it [05:48] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.16) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [05:48] i've definatly had one before [05:49] i just cant think where i found it [05:49] Netboot CD? [05:49] yup [05:49] NEtboot does not need a CD.. it needs a PXE server [05:49] You mean "netinstall"? [05:49] he is thinking of it like those debian netboot cd's. just a few base packages [05:49] yeah netinstall. thats it [05:50] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-226-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:50] indeed [05:50] http://slackware.com/~alien/slackboot/mini/13.0/ [05:50] you have scripts for everything, don't you [05:50] :) [05:51] alienBOB, nice work sir. [05:51] even iso's, wow [05:51] well done bob thanks :) [05:51] Strong. [05:51] cteg we have moved from the 90's ;) [05:51] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:52] i meant alienBOB and his scripts especially ;) [05:52] alienBOB: hey. is there any progress with slackware live cd? or it's no on top of the priority list? [05:52] was just thinking about multilib...need wine [05:54] alienBOB, I just found your USB installer. That is particularly nice. Wow :) [05:55] DC (n=DC@cpc3-brmb1-0-0-cust67.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: [05:56] janemba (n=back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. 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[06:12] hrm this is not exactly a netinstaller, or what i expect as a netinstaller. its an installer without any packages [06:12] or do i miss something [06:13] i thought of it as very small mix of /a and /l to set up a connection, have a little editor, and grab packages from mirrors [06:15] this should be easy to do anyway from a slackware tree [06:17] Hermann (n=Hermannn@c-fd51e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:18] Hermann (n=Hermannn@c-fd51e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:18] SETKEH (n=setkeh@CPE-60-230-100-123.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:18] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-144-232.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:19] demzsanjaya (n=root@110.138.82.177) joined ##slackware. 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[07:20] RLa (n=rla@133.220.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee) left irc: "Leaving" [07:20] 12:19:32 -!- demzsanjaya was kicked from ##slackware by slackboy [Banned: unixfool: Using an IRC client as root is very dangerous. Please create a user account and return to the channel under it.] [07:20] awesome :D [07:21] Camarade_Tux: http://dailyvim.blogspot.com/2009/11/window-scrolling.html [07:22] jomo (n=mich@p3EE208F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [07:22] rg31: hahaha, I had completely forgotten about that, thanks ^^ [07:23] I'm used to my laptop with the touchpad right beneath the keyboard but I bought a new keyboard and now the mouse or touchpad are much less accessible :-) [07:27] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-127-252.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [07:27] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [07:27] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-127-252.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [07:29] alreadygone (i=1000@119.154.20.120) joined ##slackware. [07:31] sysbr (n=sysbr@201-68-221-218.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:31] hey Camarade_Tux [07:31] corey1 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [07:31] ça va gros ? [07:31] Nick change: rg31 -> rg3 [07:35] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Operation timed out [07:35] ouais, et toi ma poule ? [07:36] haha, ça parle français même ici § [07:40] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [07:51] Karu (n=alch@77-233-68-110.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [07:51] Karu (n=alch@77-233-68-110.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: Client Quit [07:54] Karu (n=alch@77-233-68-110.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [07:54] heaumer_ (n=heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) joined ##slackware. [07:54] heaumer_ (n=heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) left irc: Client Quit [07:56] john_dee (n=id@95-29-147-149.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:58] heaumer: :-) [07:58] hmmmm, kimsufi :-) [07:59] heaumer: what are you using your kimsufi box for btw? [07:59] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.55.153) joined ##slackware. [08:00] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC024A5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:01] Camarade_Tux: hm, many little things (git|hg, mail, web, irc) etc. [08:02] heaumer: wouldn't a shared web hosting with ssh access have been enough? or do you use lots of resources? [08:03] morning everyone [08:03] morning [08:03] not that much, but, it's hard to find something that let you do anything you want [08:03] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:03] linode ;-) [08:04] for instance, finding php offers is pretty easy, but, if you want to do web with perl or lisp :-' [08:04] alreadygone (i=1000@119.154.20.120) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:04] alreadygone (i=1000@119.154.20.120) joined ##slackware. [08:06] BP{k}: linode's not in france ;-) [08:06] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [08:06] heaumer: yeah, I'd like to try a webserver in ocaml =/ [08:07] and it can't be used with cgi yet [08:07] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [08:07] Camarade_Tux: meh. it's in the UK :) [08:08] he, they've been accessible for two weeks :P [08:09] BP{k}: what have you been using linode for? [08:10] Camarade_Tux: nothing as much as hosting some files, some friends have user accounts there for irc/shells etc. Gonna overhaul it when I sober up in the new year and do somestuff with it, like git, mail [08:11] moh2a (n=nome@92.49.77.213) joined ##slackware. [08:17] Camarade_Tux: was your cgi comment regarding linode or 'webserver in ocaml'? [08:18] webserver in ocaml [08:18] but ocaml is very good for server: you basically can't have a segfault in ocaml, it prevents a lot of programming mistakes too, plus it doesn't leak memory [08:19] furthermore, it's french [08:19] :p [08:19] hehe :P [08:19] heaumer: know ocaml? [08:19] merry_Xmas (n=nome@92.49.82.134) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:19] yes [08:20] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!n=root@* expired. [08:20] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [08:20] but I don't use it pretty often (I'd rather use haskell) [08:20] die die die! :P [08:20] :-) [08:20] no you! :) [08:20] hahaha :P [08:21] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:21] Action: Camarade_Tux puts a side-effect into heaumer's haskell code [08:21] hi, I am getting this: configure: error: Install tetex before enabling latex thumbnailing when trying to install thunar-thumbnailers-0.4.1 in XFCE. Any idea why? tetex is installed. [08:22] Action: heaumer invoke some dark Monad [08:22] +s [08:22] everything from slackware/t directory is installed [08:23] i'm using Slackware 13 x86 [08:23] alreadygone: pastebin your config.log (it's created by configure) [08:23] ok [08:23] Action: Camarade_Tux throws a functor at heaumer [08:23] :D [08:24] and I'm being nice, I could use the 'o' in "ocaml" ;p [08:25] Camarade_Tux, http://pastebin.com/d43374158 [08:26] alreadygone: when have you installed latex? right now or did you have it before? [08:26] after I received the error [08:27] alreadygone: ok, log out, then log in again and try again, something needs to be updated [08:27] just log out or restart? [08:27] log out, actually, you can also, just log in again and try there [08:27] i can restart [08:27] thanks let me try [08:27] alreadygone (i=1000@119.154.20.120) left irc: "Leaving" [08:29] alreadygone (i=1000@119.154.20.120) joined ##slackware. [08:29] Camarade_Tux, same error! [08:29] alreadygone: if you type "latex" in your shell, does it work? [08:30] nope [08:30] installpkg's 2nd last line is: [08:30] checking for latex... no [08:30] last line: [08:30] configure: error: Install tetex before enabling latex thumbnailing [08:30] do you have this file: /etc/profile.d/tetex.sh ? [08:31] yes [08:31] does your $PATH contain /usr/share/texmf/bin? [08:31] alreadygone: check config.log [08:32] Oh. [08:32] alreadygone: how did you switch to the root account? using "su"/"su -" or ? [08:32] try: "source /etc/profile.d/tetex.sh" and try again [08:32] su [08:32] just su [08:32] Action: NaCl sees that Camarade_Tux already found it [08:32] :D [08:32] alreadygone: log out and use "su -", that's your problem. [08:32] :) let me try [08:34] it's working now! [08:34] thanks a lot guys. [08:34] impy (n=impy@88.147.70.16) left irc: [08:34] \o/ [08:35] \o/ but point me to a page or tell me what search string should I use to read about this su - thing [08:35] su - and su [08:36] alreadygone: su(1) [08:36] Nick change: moh2a -> merry_Xmas [08:36] ok :) [08:37] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [08:37] "su -" gives you root's environment also---just as if you had logged in as root. so I should always install things using su - [08:37] right [08:39] corey1 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:40] monstro (n=monstro@201-92-55-83.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:40] Is it possible to pass a blank username with lynx. The authentication i am looking to do is to a linksys router with now username and only a password. [08:41] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.55.153) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:41] no username? maybe a default one [08:42] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@83.225.86.19) joined ##slackware. [08:42] monstro (n=monstro@201-92-55-83.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [08:43] The-Croupier (n=ChrisOne@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [08:44] sirslacker (n=aligp@p579B555C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:45] Action: The-Croupier greets everybody ;) [08:45] greetings The-Croupier [08:46] alreadygone: hi [08:46] hows things around here? [08:46] Camarade_Tux, when I logged in as su - I can see directories and files in colors. In normal user I don't see colors. How do I enable that? [08:47] good [08:47] yoyo The-Croupier, how's it goin? [08:47] Camarade_Tux: nice not bad.. slept for 13 hours straight... [08:47] Action: NaCl greets The-Croupier [08:48] The-Croupier: :o [08:48] been drinking for more than 5 hours straight [08:48] NaCl: hiya ;) [08:48] hows you guys ? [08:48] alreadygone: which terminal emulator do you use? [08:48] Terminal [08:49] \o/ [08:49] \o/ [08:49] konsole for me. :P [08:49] konsole is heavy [08:49] a black window for me ;) [08:49] xterm :D [08:49] alreadygone: http://www.slackwiki.org/Login_Shell#XFCE_4.4_Terminal [08:50] thank you Camarade_Tux [08:50] just add -ls to the shell command [08:50] Action: The-Croupier loves rxvt, xterm,aterm,eterm, ... any term [08:50] I had to do that to get konsole to cooperate [08:50] Camarade_Tux: I had to modify wicd-curses to support the default settings in xterm. :/ [08:50] NaCl: Terminal and gnome's are different [08:51] Camarade_Tux: I know. [08:51] NaCl: bah, I switched to iwconfig + dhcpcd for my wireless ;p [08:51] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [08:51] Whatever works for you. :P [08:51] yup :è) [08:51] s/è/-/ [08:56] Mick_ (n=mick@ALagny-153-1-78-128.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:57] urthwrm (n=urthwrm@124-170-224-88.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:57] pngn_pet1ng (n=luthfi@125.166.16.178) joined ##slackware. [08:58] impy (n=impy@88.147.70.16) joined ##slackware. [08:59] Mick_ (n=mick@ALagny-153-1-78-128.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:01] Nick change: epigrammaticus -> BeJeezus [09:03] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:03] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [09:04] hitest: hiya... ;) [09:04] The-Croupier here :p [09:05] corey1 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [09:06] yey for having to go to work today! [09:06] Action: agentc0re starts to look for the noose [09:07] Action: The-Croupier hides [09:07] Action: Camarade_Tux has been slacking for almost a week [09:07] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.216) joined ##slackware. [09:11] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@94.159.149.226) joined ##slackware. [09:12] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [09:13] i hope things are back to normal in here [09:14] no more netsplits every few minutes, no more psychos DDosing [09:14] Pig_Pen: have things ever been normal in here?! [09:14] never [09:14] psychos DDosing?! [09:14] netsplits?! [09:14] icarus_ (n=icarus@d40a4f21.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:14] Trolls?! [09:16] The-Croupier: netsplits every few minutes for a week [09:16] Is it the IRC connection itself ? 'Cause I'm somewhere else than usual and I was just wondering whether the connection is bust or what [09:17] Psychos, netsplits and trolls! OH MY!! [09:17] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [09:17] i have a feeling were not in Kansas anymore [09:17] nope we are in slackware [09:17] ;) [09:18] i sure like my SDR [09:18] thats where all the fun is, thats where the news gets created, :p stay around and be part of the news. ;) be part of history ;) [09:18] Pig_Pen: sdr?! [09:18] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Defined_Radio [09:19] Pig_Pen: thanks [09:20] it is a tad bit noisy on HF but i think i can take care of that with either a passive preselector or a smaller antenna, i have a 66 foot long wire outside [09:20] Action: icarus_ wonders who in the world would want a radio [09:20] so you need a modem as well ;) [09:21] Pig_Pen: how far can you transmit with such a thing ? [09:21] no, this is an older model i bought on clearence for 2 hundred, it runs with a serial port, but the newer models are USB (some are firewire) [09:22] it is just a receiver, but Flex Radio has SDRs that are TX but they are about 5 to 10 thounsand bucks! [09:22] Take Christmas as an example. Radios play all sorts of modern "artists" doing modern "interpretations" (which are crap, btw) of classics. Who can beat Ella Fitzgerald, Nat King Cole, Louis Armstrong etc ? [09:22] urthwrm (n=urthwrm@124-170-224-88.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [09:22] icarus_ is that a rhetorical question? [09:23] i feel bad answering .... [09:23] icarus_: Rage Against The Machine! ;p [09:23] The-Croupier: If you represent the people I don't get and take a different view then no, it's not really meant to be rhetorical. Please do answer :P [09:24] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.55.153) joined ##slackware. [09:24] http://www.npr.org/blogs/monitormix/2009/12/rage_against_the_machine_ragea.html [09:24] icarus_ so you are saying that i can answer only if i agree with you ... otherwise no ;) [09:24] I'm not saying all modern music sucks. There's many groups making new songs which are great, sure. I just don't see the need to listen to radio stations as it feels as if they either play too much crap or cut the few good songs short so I can listen to some crappy commercial. [09:24] what do you guys use to clean laptop keyboards? [09:24] The-Croupier: no, quite the opposite, really. I'd love to hear the opposite view ;) [09:25] nachox: there are sprays sold in shops ;) [09:25] http://imagebin.org/76764 [09:25] nachox: I remove all keys and use my fingers and maybe a tissue [09:26] icarus_: i do like old classics as well, there are a lot of things good in radio these days, on the other hand, radios are not only for music .. they are there to searve a purpose [09:26] nachox: I've heard of people showering with their keyboards. But I have no idea whether that's a good idea ;) I guess the big difference in approach is based on whether you use a mechanical switch keyboard (read: you're awesome), or a membrane-based keyboard. [09:26] imagine there are a lot of people who hate computers, even tv ;) [09:26] nachox: I was in Turkey last summer, several dozens of ants found something to eat in my keyboard, one manager to start the computer, and another one gave me a rainbow bios splash screen (should be black&white) [09:26] Merry XMAS! [09:26] there are old people....and others.... [09:26] nachox: whoops. Laptop.. sorry :/ [09:27] Camarade_Tux: thats what you get for going to turkey ... [09:27] Action: The-Croupier hides [09:27] i dont watch much television, i find the advertising very annoying, i might watch a little bit in the evening, about all i like are documentaries on discovery channel, old movies and news & weather [09:27] Camarade_Tux: I hear there's black people in turkey... :O [09:27] so... as you see, radios Are good for various things, and i wish there was someone to get them updated/upgraded a little bit [09:28] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [09:28] The-Croupier: I guess it also depends on your country. I [09:28] Pig_Pen: is that your pc? [09:28] yeah [09:29] IceChant (n=icechant@94.159.202.218) left irc: No route to host [09:29] icarus_, the radio saved my ass, when i was in england for the first time and i didnt know how to answer to the "whats your name" [09:29] The-Croupier: ;-) [09:29] are you really able to listen on those bands? Do you just have a huge antenna hooked up to your pc? [09:29] The-Croupier: I could have gone to Greece but we all agreed it sucks -_- [09:29] snL20: actually not really ^^ [09:29] The-Croupier: isn't that obvious ? Or am I missing the point here ? What's the "correct" answer then ? :) [09:29] Camarade_Tux: greece sucks ? [09:30] definitely ^^ [09:30] ( The-Croupier is Greek iirc :D ) [09:30] Camarade_Tux: heh, I would rather go to greece [09:31] Me too.. I've already been to Turkey. It was ok I guess but.. Greece > Turkey [09:31] icarus, that we need the radio more than some people realise ;) [09:31] The-Croupier: Only to help accurately define "annoying" [09:31] http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/widerxvr/1002.html this is what i got, basically a black box with on/off switch, bnc antenna connection, serial port, windows software that wine runs better than windows can run it [09:32] i would love to be one of those people who had huge antenas in his house and transmit nice stuff ;) [09:33] Pig_Pen: haha. gotta love it when an emulator runs software better than the actual deal. [09:33] pirate radio ftw! [09:33] snL20, merry xmass, and long time no see [09:33] wow, not as big as i thought it would be. [09:33] nachox: :D [09:33] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-24-112.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [09:33] Mick_ (n=mick@ALagny-153-1-78-128.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:34] how about cost [09:34] i was thinking of some huge antenna and something pretty extravagant. [09:34] im broke these days ...:( [09:34] When talking about emulators improving stuff. DosBox should be mentioned :) And even though it may not *strictly* apply.. ScummVM is awesome too [09:34] ok, gotta go get ready for xmas dinner [09:34] Ahhh.. Merry christmas :) [09:34] snL20: bb [09:34] Merry Christmas everyone ...;) [09:34] hohoho [09:34] isn't xmas tomorrow? [09:35] Not here :) You bloody yank :P [09:35] we are saying it in installments ;) [09:35] icarus_: it's the 25th over there? it's to early for me to be thinking about time zone changes.. [09:35] fml [09:36] http://timecube.com [09:36] im not that sobber for that [09:36] agentc0re: oh, the tradition also varies. In my country, we celebrate mainly during Christmas Eve itself. We eat, sing and exchange gifts tonight :) [09:36] icarus_: where are you from? [09:37] Denmark. [09:37] Yes. Mohammed drawings, failed climate discussions and (I'm told) some of the happiest people ever. blah blah blah ;) [09:37] Cool. How's the weather over there? [09:37] Snow, for once! ^^ [09:37] lots? [09:38] Nah, but a fair amount. A white blanket is covering most of the landscape. But no more than 10 cm or so I'd wager [09:39] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.216) left irc: [09:39] How are things in the US though ? In general, I guess it can be quite different depending on where you're at ;) [09:40] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:41] buying that radio forced me to merge my radio desk and computer desk http://imagebin.org/76766 [09:41] well im in utah, we're supposed to get shit on with snow but this last storm didn't faze us one bit. It moves east and New York, Washington DC, Virgina and Maryland has had more snow in the last week or so than they've seen with in the last 40 years i think. Somewhere around 2feet. [09:41] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.230.168) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Our mountains are getting a good amount though. [09:42] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429808.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Pig_Pen: lol @ speakers in wooden box. :D [09:43] the weather here in oklahoma has been weird, some days there is warm wet weather from the south, other days there is cold from the north [09:43] 1x4 trim [09:43] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-104.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:44] It snowed slush last sunday.. No shit. It was so warm in the Valley that the snow was melting pretty fast and then it started to snow, but it was slush. [09:44] john_dee: I am not currently working on a Slackware live DVD, working on other stuff instead [09:44] when it gets night time all that slush can freeze makeing for some trecherous driving conditions [09:44] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429808.home.otenet.gr) left irc: SendQ exceeded [09:45] Wouldn't a Slackware live DVD be sort of redundant, anyway? I thought Slax was exactly that. [09:46] Pig_Pen: the wind does not blow in oklahoma; kansas sucks and texas blows ;) [09:46] alienBOB: Question for ya. I got Citrix XenServer tools working on Slackware yesterday. It involved changes in .config and recompiling the kernel, a initrd, changing and making a few packages from the xs-tools.iso included with the XenServer. What would be worth making into SBo's in your opinion? [09:46] Agiofws (n=nAgiofws@athedsl-429808.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:46] they sure do! [09:46] sirslacker (n=sirslack@tmo-101-171.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [09:46] Pig_Pen: oklahoma is just caught in the middle ;) [09:47] alienBOB: or would it just be better to make a laundry list of instructions for a How to? [09:47] MarderIII (n=spam@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:47] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC024A5.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:49] sirslacker (n=sirslack@tmo-101-171.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:49] Pig_Pen: i saw a tee shirt with a guy skiing down an oil derrick, caption said: skii oklahoma ;) [09:50] there is a lot of oil wells here, my grandfather was a driller on some of the first [09:51] Pig_Pen: yea, my great uncle worked the seminole oil fields in the 30's [09:51] agentc0re: as volkerdi stated on his twitter page http://twitter.com/volkerdi : "Tweet your kernel option requests here..." [09:51] So, if you see any need for changes in the kernel .config, now is the time [09:52] Oh, thats cool. [09:52] Ya, i'll hit him up about it. [09:52] We are tweaking a 2.6.32.x kernel for some time now, but it will not be until New Year probably before one is deemed good enough [09:52] Didn't know he had a twitter.. hehe. [09:52] alienBOB: i see. guess i'll have to use some other distro for this purpose. any chance to see it in some reasonable time? or it is at the bottom of to-do list? [09:52] We all have :-) [09:53] john_dee: I have no particular order for my TODO... it is more like, what would I like to do today [09:53] Last week, I added support for a LUKS key on a USB stick for auto-unlock of your encrypted Slackware [09:54] That updated mkinitrd package should get out too, sometime [09:54] alienBOB: that's fine. So, SBo's for the tools on the iso are a no brainer, i can do that. i can stick some instructions somewhere for what needs to be done on the Xenserver in my blog +slackwiki. [09:55] bah, I don't use tweeter and won't so I'll just spam :P [09:55] Writing a WIki page with instructions, and links to the SlackBuild scripts you created, would be helpful to the community agentc0re [09:55] (unless someone already asked for CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME=y) [09:55] Camarade_Tux: email will do just as fine [09:56] yeah, that's what I meant with "spam" ;-) [09:56] alienBOB: I had to make an initrd though. the only reason why is because i need/wanted two fstab's in case i need to fall back on vanilla slack. maybe you have some more insight on this. since devices are created with xvda# i had to change the device listing for '/'. but if i want to boot to vanilla then it would fail. [09:56] alreadygone (i=1000@119.154.20.120) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:57] Pig_Pen: if you dont like the weather in oklahoma just wait a minute --will rogers [09:57] oh, and CONFIG_DRM_NOUVEAU=m xD [09:57] Camarade_Tux: "# CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME is not set" in the beta config [09:57] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@unaffiliated/easy) joined ##slackware. [09:58] Camarade_Tux: for nouveau to be of any use, we would have to change a lot more to X.Org right now [09:58] ok, thanks :-) [09:58] alienBOB: so in the init script i made it mount root, cp a tmp fstab(fstab.xvda) over fstab then unmount. something similar happens for vanilla slack kernel. do you think there's a better way to do it? [09:58] Hi, [09:58] alienBOB: Hi,how are you? [09:58] agentc0re - can you pastebin what you did in the init? [09:59] hcfd (n=fed@host86-131-177-144.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:59] alienBOB: i'm leaving for work i a few. I will once i get in. [09:59] Good [09:59] Leaving for work... I am enjoying holidays ;-) [10:00] alienBOB: well, I've been able to use nouveau with only a libdrm recompile and xf86-video-nouveau BUT perf isn't great and I've been told by the nouveau devs xorg-server-1.7 was required for better perf (actually they were surprised it wasn't dead slow with 1.6) [10:00] alienBOB: Nice [10:00] Camarade_Tux: indeed [10:00] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@unaffiliated/easy) left ##slackware. [10:00] ya, the doc's wanted us to come in for a half a day.. [10:00] Action: agentc0re looks for the noose again.... [10:01] ;) [10:01] also, I'm not sure it's interacting well with other drivers, I wasn't able to boot with VESA at boot, it was failing when nouveau was getting loaded, I had to disable the VESA part [10:01] oh, and I can't shutdown [10:01] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:01] I'm not sure any of my ten umounts of / has been clean [10:02] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:07] last* [10:08] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:10] pngn_pet1ng (n=luthfi@125.166.16.178) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:13] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [10:14] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0211C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:17] Anyone here built the app despotify ? [10:18] alienBOB: sounds like a good plan too :) but is there anything to test or, maybe, help with? i could go the easy way and use some other distro that provides live media and remaster it to suit my needs, but i'm in love with slack %) and would rather stick with it. so it's either adapting, say, gentoo's live scripts or writing it from scratch. that's why i'm asking, so that i don't have to do something that has already been done [10:21] nessundorma (n=mike@78-134-86-183.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [10:22] Again. Isn't 'Slax' exactly slackware + live scripts ? [10:22] no [10:23] You can even download the scripts used in slax separately and use them to create your own slackware-based liveCD without too much work [10:23] alien_bob (n=alien@h202078.upc-h.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:23] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-127-252.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [10:24] icarus_: not quite - they changed the package format as well [10:25] Well, the scripts should still be rather easy to use :) [10:25] you can still use .tgz and installpkg I think, but the linux-live scripts change quite a lot of things [10:26] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:27] x-ip (n=sakura-s@host193.200-82-106.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [10:27] Nick change: alien_bob -> alienBOB [10:27] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.172.164.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [10:27] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:28] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:28] i use tgz when i build packages in 13, i also name them with a capital letter so they will all be in the top of the list in either pkgtool or when looking in /var/log/packages [10:29] yuck :?> [10:30] whats yuck? the capital letter thing? or the tgz thing? [10:30] capital letter :) this is what tags are for [10:31] and MPlayer and Qt and PyQt [10:31] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [10:31] Just build them with your own special build tag. "ls -l /var/log/packages/*alien" works well here [10:31] i like that even better alienBOB [10:33] El_Patron (n=El_Patro@189-90-198-159.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:35] icarus_: not exactly. there are loadable modules and related bloat. and besides it's not really "without too much work". you have to rebuild kernel with aufs and friends. and after that built iso won't even boot giving some aufs error. so that's not a magic wand or something :) [10:36] john_dee: Ah, yea I guess you're right. But why even go through with making a livecd when all comes to all ? [10:37] Karu (n=alch@77-233-68-110.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:37] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0211C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:39] live cds are sort of a thing of the past anyways, useful for recovery maybe....if you want to travel you want something on a usb drive. and those are writable [10:40] by usb drive i mean a bona fide drive or a thumbdrive, either are r/w [10:40] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "leaving" [10:40] mancha: semi agree.. Surprisingly many PC's are sort of unhappy with booting from USB's.. And even among those which does support it, it seems to vary which USB sticks they'll accept. [10:41] High_Priest (n=MMF@nat/ibm/x-sviiqcsxodlnixub) joined ##slackware. [10:41] hi [10:41] mancha: not to mention, it would be rather stupid to use a completely standard distro install on a USB unless you're ready to replace them now and then ;) There's way too many writes that way [10:41] yes, boot-from-usb is a "somewhat" recent bios addition not all hw supports that. as for why some usb sticks work and others don't it depends on whether the usb is bootable or not [10:42] i doubt you'll kill your nand from too many writes [10:42] alienBOB: http://pastebin.com/m472fafb is my init addition. [10:42] at least not before you decide to replace your stick anyways [10:42] icarus_: i guess my english is not that fluent as i don't quite get what "all comes to all" means. as for "why make". well, why not :) [10:43] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.161.28) joined ##slackware. [10:43] the write-cycle limitation on nand sticks is good for the "we wanna scare the crap out of everyone" blogs. have you personally ever killed a stick from too many writes? [10:43] john_dee: Well. I understand why LiveCD's could be cool, I just haven't really needed one in a long, long time :) [10:43] since I haven't used a nand stick as swap space yet, no [10:44] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.172.164.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:44] mancha: that actually is the point of live system that it runs from read only media or from ram. always "crispy clean, no caffeine" %) [10:44] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:46] AlienBoB: was there some place where we could/should state which new kernel options we'd like ? I'd personally love for GPT support to become standard [10:46] alienBOB: the echo and sleep part were just for testing btw. [10:46] icarus_: tweeter or mail volkerdi [10:47] Camarade_Tux: That would be a mail. I can't despise this social networking craze [10:47] same here ;-) [10:47] well, except it's not that I think it's a craze but I don't want to appear there [10:48] corey1 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:49] also with netbooks becoming all the craze...you'd have to invest in an external usb cd drive to boot your cd-based live distro :P [10:49] mancha: or just put the iso on a thumbdrive, that's what i did. [10:49] which would effectively double the size/weight of the machine you bought cause it was little & light [10:50] everyone should have one of those anyway, i can't count the number of laptops i've had to fix with a bad internal drive [10:50] yeah, thumbdrives :-) [10:50] agent, that was my point way back! but then i got all kinds of banter! :) [10:50] heh. [10:50] last time I put slackware on a netbook, I booted with a thumbdrive and installed from an external drive that was both bigger and much heavier than the netbook :P [10:51] bah, I thought usb stick, not thumbdrive [10:51] jomo (n=mich@p3EE208F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left ##slackware. [10:51] *or*, you can install by hand: get the drive out of the netbook and plug it in your computer :P [10:51] sysbr (n=sysbr@201-68-221-218.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [10:51] (or use qemu to install) [10:53] question: do you guys just update once a new slackware release comes out ? Or is it a complete reinstall ? [10:53] I don't do either o.O [10:53] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@135.207.38.86.mobile.mezon.lt) joined ##slackware. [10:53] straterra: current all the way I presume ? :) [10:54] Nah [10:54] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:54] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn47.78-99-109.t-com.sk) left ##slackware ("reboot"). [10:54] Unless theres a compelling reason to upgrade...I don't [10:54] i customize so much i generally leapfrog several versions [10:54] as in it takes a significant reason to make the switch [10:55] *shiny* new software is a compelling reason :) [10:56] |Limulus| (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [10:57] Oh, and does anyone know exactly why Slackware has held on to Lilo for so long ? [10:57] No reason to switch, i'd imagine [10:57] _Limulus_ (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:58] icarus_: the problem with that question is that it supposes lilo has some kind of flaw that makes it a pain in the ass to use or something like that [10:59] and that grub1 has been unmaintained and has caused troubles in the past faik [10:59] icarus_: and i don't even use lilo, but slackware is not "holding on to lilo" [10:59] what did santa say to the 3 prostitutes? ho ho ho ;) [10:59] gnubien: :P [10:59] gnubien, hahahaha :) [10:59] that's also the difference between santa and tiger woods, santa stops after three ho's [11:00] and I like lilo: if 'lilo' succeeds, I can reboot mostly without fear (when having no screen or working remotely), in grub a typo would hurt quite a lot [11:00] gnubien: ^^ [11:00] and grub1 doesn't compile with slackware64 :P [11:00] mancha: funny but true :) [11:00] Camarade_Tux: at all, you'll be put in the grub shell and boot whatever you prefer [11:00] Camarade_Tux: meh, grub just drops you to a terminal and lets you solve things yourself on the fly. [11:00] rg3: but remotely and without screens, that'd be annoyin [11:01] g [11:02] (and no keyboard either) [11:02] 'sides. I actually think there's a legitimate reason to begin dropping lilo. I doubt it supports GPT [11:02] Camarade_Tux: that's a good point for using lilo in that situation, indeed [11:02] alreadygone (i=1000@119.154.20.120) joined ##slackware. [11:03] well, I consider the fact the "stable" grub doesn't support ext4 a bigger problem [11:03] rg3: btw, do you know how to tell grub the boot entry to use at next boot? [11:03] that's the thing, there is not "stable" grub :> grub1 is legacy, and grub2 isn't really done [11:03] with lilo, it's: lilo -R LinuxExp (for instance) [11:03] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@135.207.38.86.mobile.mezon.lt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:03] Camarade_Tux: no idea, i don't use grub either, i use extlinux with an ext2 /boot partition [11:04] he, ok [11:04] why btw? [11:05] i only boot linux and extlinux is faster than grub and lilo when booting without pauses [11:07] used "compact" for lilo? [11:08] Camarade how do you pass runtime kernel params in lilo? [11:08] append=" blabla" [11:08] and addappend for anything specific to one entry [11:08] Camarade_Tux: yes, extlinux is still faster [11:08] rg3: oh, ok [11:08] that isn't runtime [11:08] mancha: it is :P [11:08] huh? [11:08] Nick change: |Limulus| -> Baisuoklis [11:09] but you mean, which you set right before booting? [11:09] i mena runtime [11:09] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: "KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 3472, sources date: 20090703, built on: 2009/09/02 21:14:09 UTC 3472 http://www.kvirc.net/" [11:09] as in set while running [11:09] for mean runtime opposes to compiletime [11:09] Camarade_Tux: very narrow margin, of course, but i was already using extlinux when i tried, so i thought "oh, well" and kept using it :) [11:09] while running? once you've started booting, it doesn't matter if you've used lilo or grub [11:09] anywyas, english aside, how do you set boot params in lilo w/o writing to the mbr beforehand? [11:10] ChArLoK_16 (i=42c62915@gateway/web/freenode/x-pqktzditzimokyfy) joined ##slackware. [11:10] you can't afaik and that's what I miss in lilo [11:10] rg3: yeah ;-) [11:10] ok, i just wanted to even out the bashing you did on grub before [11:10] grub can [11:10] well, wasn't bashing ;-) [11:10] :> [11:11] grub is nice :) [11:12] mancha: that it doesn't compile on slackware64 is probably the reason it's not in slackware64's extra/ ;-) [11:12] i imagine not compiling on a platform is reason enough to not include it in said platform, yes. [11:13] I need some help from the awk experts. http://pastebin.com/m3669861f At the bottom you'll see identify_slackware(). In there i am trying to get it to use the slackware-version file to fill in the $distro, $major and $minor variables. IE:, Slackware, 13, 0. However, it's not working and it craps out on the eval part. [11:13] what does 64 bit ubuntu used for a bootloader? [11:13] seems odd though. What does *every* other distro out there do then to get grub running ? Because let's face it, lilo isn't exactly used that much [11:13] mancha: grub1 and now, grub2 [11:13] fedora's switching too [11:14] icarus_: you can just get the binary or cross-compile it [11:14] once grub is installed, you don't have to run it, that's as simple [11:14] grub2 compiles natively on 64-bit, as of 1.97.x [11:14] icarus_: i suppose if all your friends decided to jump off a bridge you would want to jump off too? [11:15] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [11:15] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Client Quit [11:15] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78-134-67-143.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [11:15] imagine that spoken in your mom's voice [11:15] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [11:15] Pig_Pen: no, but I would be there with a bunch of papers where I'd want their signatures on. [11:15] ness1d0rma (n=mike@78-134-90-55.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [11:16] Mick_ (n=mick@ALagny-153-1-78-128.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:16] ChArLoK_16 (i=42c62915@gateway/web/freenode/x-pqktzditzimokyfy) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [11:16] i like lilo, it wont write to the MBR unless lilo.conf is correct, (neither grub or lilo is fool-proof) [11:16] agent, what's your $release? [11:16] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:16] van halen -jump http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e-vgQSqNtA [11:17] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:17] mancha: /etc/slackware-version. it is right below it in the if statement. identify_slackware /etc/slackware-version && exit 0 [11:17] mancha: when it's ran with cat in the eval statement it says that the command cannot be found. [11:17] i don't see it [11:18] This video has been removed by the user. [11:18] mancha: maybe it didn't get pasted... let me check. [11:18] mancha: line 277 on pastebin [11:19] agent, you're not understanding me, your $release variable in the slackware-check block, where does it come from? [11:20] what van halen video is the one that starts out showing some immigrant as a cashier in a store, and several customers come in, and one is a black woman buying breath mints ? [11:21] another is a fat old lady that says "My doctor says i need to take a laxitive" as she knocks a bunch of items off a shelf and almost tripps over something [11:21] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:22] mancha: Oh, shit. sorry. I did missunderstand you. Ah, i see how i screwed that up now. [11:22] mancha: i took code from here, http://christopher.wojno.com/articles/2009/08/11/gentoo-domu-in-xenserver (a bit halfway down) and changed a few things. release was part of the original.. [11:23] Action: agentc0re|work facepalm [11:23] mancha: but it still craps out on the first eval line. let me fix up the bottom one though. [11:25] you are misusing eval [11:28] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [11:29] oh wait, i think i know what's up [11:30] nessundorma (n=mike@78-134-86-183.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:31] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78-134-67-143.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Connection timed out [11:31] mancha: http://pastebin.com/m27c104bb [11:32] mancha: i'm just trying to use the others as an example. honestly, i don't know how to misuse eval. :) [11:32] so it is quite possible that i am. [11:32] agent, ok, so distro shoudl be Slackware, major 13, and minor 0, for example? [11:32] mancha: yes. [11:36] mancha: Ah, a bit closer.. if i remove the brackets around slackware_release in the first eval, it semi works... still is giving me an unknown command on that line though but does spit out 13.0 at me. [11:36] http://pastebin.com/d7e6b7f52 [11:38] cbpye (n=cbpye@h199.110.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [11:38] alreadygone (i=1000@119.154.20.120) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:40] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [11:41] mancha: had to add a ';' between to two prints. think we're almost there. When i ran it "Detecting Linux distribution version: cat: 13.0.0.0.0: No such file or directory". let me check my spelling and syntax. [11:41] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.99) joined ##slackware. [11:41] happy christmas eve [11:42] right back at ya vastina [11:42] looking for some assistance with twm if anyone is willing [11:42] Scuzz: cheers :) [11:43] mancha: looks good... hrm. http://pastebin.com/d1c2556d4 [11:44] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:45] vastina: /etc/X11/twm/system.twmrc [11:45] Pig_Pen: thanks man, that's what i'm working with, however i want xclock not to start and i don't know how to reduce the amount of default open terms [the initial three that open up [11:45] ] [11:46] down at the bottom get rid of the last few lines except for twm [11:46] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:46] remove all the terminal entries, xclock and remove the "&" [11:46] Pig_Pen: looking now... [11:46] thanks [11:46] but in the menu where you launch xterm leave the & in [11:46] mancha: fixed it. :D can't use cat on the second eval. have to use echo since it's a variable. [11:47] didn't i do that on my script? [11:47] mancha: thank you for helping me, it's very much appreciated. [11:47] mancha: shit, you did. i over looked it. [11:47] mancha: my bad... [11:47] you're welcome. :) [11:47] Action: agentc0re|work needs some more coffee [11:47] more like eggnog! :> [11:48] the store ran out of the good stuff though! [11:48] Pig_Pen: it's /usr/share/X11/twm/* ! /usr/X11/twm/ unless something is supposed to be there [11:48] thoughts [11:49] just a minute, let me look [11:49] agent, does your check work now? cause i didn't test any of this... [11:49] mancha: It does work. it is a green OK. :D [11:49] cool [11:50] Pig_Pen: and i have no entry for xclock or the terms terminating & [11:50] mancha: i'm going to be adding this in for a SBo. This script is part of the XenServer tools from Citrix. Slackware is now seen as a PV instead of a HVM. [11:50] yeah, i was thinking of the xinitrc file [11:50] at the bottom of the system.twmrc in /usr/share/X11/rwm/system.twmrc [11:50] mancha: i'll be sure to mention you when i create this. [11:50] ahh! [11:50] agent :> [11:50] the xinitrc? [11:50] but the xinitrc file for twm is what is launching all those terminals and xclock you want to get rid of [11:51] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:51] i see it [11:51] :) [11:51] the last few lines, remove all those entries for terminals and that terminal tied to login and xclock [11:52] thanks... then, if i wanted firefox to open alone, i can add that entry and size it correct? [11:52] man i've been working to figure this out for weeks now(not that part)... this pretty much finished it up... i feel like a weight has been lifted off of me. [11:52] and terminate it out with an ampersand [11:52] basically the bottom line should be only /usr/bin/twm (remove the & from the end of the line with twm [11:53] ok, working it, thanks Pig_Pen [11:53] i'm building a homegrown kiosk, don't normally twm it [11:54] that system.twmrc you can copy it as ~/.twmrc and change the colors and fonts in it, add some entries in the menu for whatever app you want to launch [11:54] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:55] Nick change: ness1d0rma -> nessundorma [11:55] Pig_Pen: want no entries, want to autoload firefox, have it populate the screen, and if firefox closes i want the wm to close with it [11:55] icarus_ (n=icarus@d40a4f21.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:56] then maybe /usr/bin/twm & and the next line add firefox [11:56] that's my thoughts [11:56] Hoogin (n=hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [11:56] any idea on closing out the wm once firefox' parent window exits? [11:57] i had a few typos in mine agent, missed a "print" and a ";" but i'm eggnog-filled (my excuse) [11:57] hmm, make twm exit when firefox closes? [11:57] mancha: bah.. i had typo's too but it's all fixed and working. :D [11:58] yes [11:58] maybe it will work like that xterm line with -name login (just a guess) (might not work the same as it does with xterm) [11:58] and if it's a runlevel 4, just have the gdm open back up once the kiosk user closes their window [11:59] High_Priest (n=MMF@nat/ibm/x-sviiqcsxodlnixub) left irc: "Leaving" [11:59] or xdm, whatever i end up doing [11:59] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:00] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:00] MarderIII (n=spam@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: "leaving" [12:00] that xterm with -name login will kill twm when you close that xterm window (you could try it with firefox and see if twm will exit when firefox is closed) [12:01] chikky_monkey (n=sdsd@212.183.140.54) joined ##slackware. [12:02] hey Thumbs [12:02] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.91.173) left irc: "Leaving." [12:03] Pig_Pen: good thought, hopefully that does it [12:03] i'll post the results momentarily [12:06] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.17.66) joined ##slackware. [12:08] cap_ (n=cap@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [12:08] Pig_Pen: SWEET! aw cheers man [12:08] good call [12:09] the only thing is; it's opening a little off the area i intended, i want it up on the upper lefthand corner and populating the whole screen [12:11] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.17.66) left irc: "Leaving." [12:11] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:12] cap_ (n=cap@63.149.173.1) left irc: Client Quit [12:16] that -geometry thing might fix that [12:17] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.20.131) joined ##slackware. [12:17] v4nelle (n=van@78-119-214.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:17] -geometry 1024x768+0+0 (or whatever screen resulution you are using) [12:17] alienBOB, can i ask you something? [12:18] david__ (n=david@120.Red-213-98-80.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [12:19] briareus (n=briareus@mayo-nat2.mayo.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:20] impy (n=impy@88.147.70.16) left irc: [12:21] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:22] yeah for some reason it's holding it's value [12:22] What would break if I moved everything in /lib to /lib64 (and the same for the equivalents in /usr) and then made /lib a symlink to /lib64? [12:22] Does anyone here know how I can get my wacom tablet usable in Gimp/Inkscape in slackware? I get it running on my other linux systems, but not in slackware [12:22] meaning it'll open the window to some previously saved location, any way to negate that? like a forget last known configuration instead of remembering it? [12:23] Help please, I try to compile a program, yet I have complete Qt, I get Configure error: Qt headers not found [12:23] This program is Qucs 0.0.15 [12:23] it's not looking in the right place? [12:23] wacdump /dev/input/tablet-wacom shows that my device is operating correctly. I have it enabled in xorg.conf with the same settings as per my other linux distros. But in those distros, my Gimp/Inkscape installs identify the device and I can select it. [12:23] david__, probably a qt3 vs. qt4 thing. their screenshots appear to be qt3 yet [12:26] david, what qt do you have? [12:27] i know [12:27] i have slackware 13, i dont know that version of Qt yet [12:28] slack13 is qt4 [12:28] ah [12:29] hey briareus: does your setup persist in identifying the wacom as an hid device (despite the fact that you've set it up with drivers, etc)? [12:29] vastina: look at ~/.mozilla/firefox/.default/localstore.rdf there are some geometry settings search the file for main-window and you might be able to tweak it a little [12:29] hi all, i would like to know to proceed in order to integrate nvidia-module during the kernel build .... when i download and extract the NVIDIA-*pkg.run from the official website, i get the the directory "modules" ... [12:29] once tweaked you can set the ownership of it as root and read only so it wont change [12:30] oh ok [12:30] trying to manipulate now [12:30] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [12:30] i got the directory "modules" after extracting the nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2 [12:31] paissad, i would be quite surprised if they didn't include a README, INSTALL, or similar. [12:31] time to do your homework, i'd say [12:32] gsxs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:32] i see the geometry settings [12:32] paissad-hp, the NVIDIA-*.run should be, well, run. As root. It will install in place automatically. [12:33] hoobop: I don't know how to tell that [12:33] hmmm still off [12:33] nessundorma (n=mike@78-134-90-55.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: "Leaving" [12:33] hoobop: I see it listed in /dev/input/tablet-wacom (as my udev rule specs), AND I also see it as /dev/input/event8 [12:33] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [12:33] paissad-hp: veritos is right; you can run it before booting into your new kernel by adding something like --kernel=2.6.x.x or similary [12:34] veritos, hum, i actually want to integrate nvidia-drivers to the linux-kernel i would download from www.kernel.org .... as sort of patching kernel [12:34] similar* [12:34] briareus, one of the problems i came across was that hid "wouldn't let go" [12:34] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:34] paissad-hp: thar be dragons! [12:35] hoobop: how did you check that/ [12:35] hoobop: I mean how did you know that? [12:35] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "leaving" [12:35] briareus, to be quite honest, i forget; give me a few minutes [12:35] heaumer (n=heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:35] Ignacio_ (n=Ignacio@190.51.55.153) joined ##slackware. [12:35] hoobop: np [12:35] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.55.153) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:35] hoobop: thanks for the assist. [12:35] Pig_Pen, ?? [12:36] can't patch the kernel with a pre-compiled binary module. which prop modules are. so you hope it'll jive with the kernel version, stuff it in your modules dir and ldconfig it [12:37] patching the kernel makes no sense anyways, you might mean build against, which again makes no sense if it already built. [12:37] hoobop: I believe this may be my issue, but I don't know how to check it in slackware: http://titanomachy.net/titanowiki/Wacom_BAMBOO_in_SourceMage_GNU/Linux_on_Inspiron_1420n#gtk.2B2_build_requirements_for_fully_functional_Wacom_BAMBOO [12:38] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:38] briareus, have you run: more /proc/bus/input/devices ?? [12:39] not the wacom dump thingy, that give you different information [12:39] hoobop: I just ran that more and it shows me the three buttons on my laptop: sleep button, lid switch, power button [12:40] briareus, yeah, gtk+ may be the problem [12:40] i just read what you posted [12:40] hoobop: I don't know how to check or make gtk+ like that in slackware [12:40] briareus, nothing about the wacom in that log post? [12:41] you mean at: more /proc/bus/input/devices ? no, just the three laptop buttons. [12:41] wacdump and lsusb do show the wacom device [12:41] hmmm... the wacom is supposed to show up on that printout [12:41] paissad-hp: yer sailing in to uncharted waters ya land lubber! [12:42] if all is installed as it should be [12:42] hoobop: perhaps it does not because of my udev rules? [12:42] could be; wacom is a total pita [12:43] borrow my rules (what i posted yesterday) and try that [12:43] here, i'll re-post: [12:43] I did, it worked as well as my rules did, but still no GImp/Inkscape [12:43] heaumer (n=heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) joined ##slackware. [12:43] I think its the gtk+ [12:43] it probably is [12:43] ANYONE know how I can do this in slackware? http://titanomachy.net/titanowiki/Wacom_BAMBOO_in_SourceMage_GNU/Linux_on_Inspiron_1420n#gtk.2B2_build_requirements_for_fully_functional_Wacom_BAMBOO [12:44] (how to build gtk+2 with xinput enabled) [12:44] or to check that it is enabled! [12:44] get a gtk+2 package for your particular version of slackware [12:44] are you using 13? [12:44] yeah [12:44] ah, then there are others here who can help [12:44] i've not braved 13 yet. [12:44] there must be slackpkgs available for gtk+ [12:45] check the repositories; check slacky.eu [12:45] but you've got gtk installed somewhere by default, i would "guess" [12:46] I have it, but I don't know how to build it with xinput enabled [12:46] I mean I know how to do it if I compile from scratch, but not how to set options like that within slackware's install tools [12:46] --enable??? [12:46] flag at the ./config stage? [12:47] yeah [12:47] --with-xinput=yes [12:47] from this: [12:47] # --with-xinput=[no/yes] enable Xinput [12:47] there should be a readme that tells you what options are available at the configure stage [12:47] yeah, that [12:48] gsxs (n=gsxs@estrela.certelnet.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [12:48] heaumer (n=heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:50] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:50] heaumer (n=heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) joined ##slackware. [12:50] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:51] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:51] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-80-29.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [12:51] this doesn't look like something I can accomplish with slackpkg [12:52] install a prebuilt gtk+2 package [12:52] that's the problem [12:52] i think xinput is enabled by default [12:52] I have the prebuilt one, but I believe it does not have it enabled by default (and I don't know how to verify that) [12:52] at least if I can manually build it that way, I'll know [12:53] lol... install first, verify later [12:53] just kidding [12:53] it's been installed for months [12:53] I have to figure this out [12:53] --with-xinput=yes \ [12:53] ^^ [12:53] from gtk+2.SlackBuild [12:53] like that [12:53] fscking fail! [12:53] see BP{k} [12:54] hoobop: good call :) [12:54] briareus, you created xorg.conf entries for the devices as well, no? [12:54] ok, well, then I'm screwed, since that was the last reason I could figure why my tablet doesn't work in Gimp/Inkscape in slackware [12:54] heaumer (n=heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:54] heaumer (n=heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) joined ##slackware. [12:54] hoobop: yes. [12:54] briareus: btw, next time .. don't believe .. just check. :) [12:55] BP{k}: I know, I was asking, about a half hour ago, and last night, how to check [12:55] never got an answer til you call me a failure, so thanks. I think. [12:55] lol... he was just picking up on the problem, briareus [12:56] briareus: simply, check the slackbuild. For every program/package in slackware, there is a corresponding slackbuild in the source directory :) [12:56] no harm/insult meant i'm sure [12:56] but now I really don't know why it isn't working, since if gtk+2 has xinput enabled, is now beyond me, since I have the same config across slackware, sourcemage, and ubuntu but only slackware is it not working [12:56] thanks BP{k} [12:57] Pig_Pen: i checked the /home//.mozilla/firefox/.default/localstore.rdf it doesn't seem to change the fact that the window starts off centre... i did a UsePPosition "on" and i uncommented the DonMoveOff still though, when i move the window it'll stick inside the workspace, but i can't seem to get it to start up with the window being placed 0x0 [12:57] s/DonMoveOff/DontMoveOff/ [12:58] i just can't understand why the window keeps opening off centre [12:58] SIGBUS__ (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:58] -geometry 1024x768+0+0 (i believe those last two zeros are the key, maybe adust those, and/or change the + to a - [12:58] i'll try toggling that again in the xinitrc.twm file... hopefully it works, brb [12:59] briareus, which version of linuxwacom are you using (and what kernel is it matched with) [12:59] still no dice [12:59] ? [13:01] linuxwacom 0.8.4, kernel 2.6.32.1 [13:01] almost like firefox has a mind of it's own or something, speaking with rk4n3 on another server and it seems like the firefox binary is ignoring the xinitrc settings [13:01] since I dont have an intuos tablet, I should be ok [13:02] should work [13:03] you could always try development (0.8.5-8) [13:03] have you considered another window manager? openbox is really good at windowing applications [13:03] hoobop: but its working in my other linux distros. Only in slackware is it not. [13:04] briareus, what worked for me on slackware 12 doesn't work on slackware 11, so i'm not to sure about getting one way of doing it down and making it work across different distros, different versions [13:04] true [13:05] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:05] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:06] the linuxwacom site states that 0.8.4 supports kernels up to 2.6.31 [13:06] Pig_Pen: i don't know... i really just want this to work, twm is lightweight and nice for the things i'm trying to accomplish [13:07] there may be a mismatch there, unless you've gotten it to work on another box running the 2.6.32.1 kernel [13:07] hoobop: it supports Intuos up to 2.6.31, I think it should be ok for my kernel (I also had this same problem yesterday while using 0.7.9.4) [13:07] dartmouth (n=cpunches@pool-72-65-102-94.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [13:07] yeah my other boxen are on 2.6.32.1 and working in gimp/inkscape [13:08] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [13:08] you may have to replace the hid-core thingy with the one that linuxwacom produces... [13:08] I'm reinstalling all of it right now, for the hell of it [13:08] openbox will keep firefox (or any other app from opening off center) you can disable the titlebar so firefox looks fullscreen with just the menu & toolbar on the top, & statusbar on the bottom [13:08] god. fglrx is producing the same bug with stock kernel, fresh install, ati driver 9-12 [13:08] hard lock when x is started, nothing in Xorg.0.log [13:09] kernel is 2.6.29.6-smp [13:09] Pig_Pen: hmm [13:09] briareus, a reinstall might not be a bad idea; redo it in a methodical fashion, locating the wacom.ko files and replacing them, etc [13:09] vesa did not lock, after install of ati driver, i got a hard lock [13:10] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-082-128-043.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:10] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-082-128-043.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [13:10] oh -- it's a radeon hd sapphire 5770 card [13:10] vastina: you should try it, i would not reccommend openbox if it was not an excellent window manager [13:10] it's christmas eve and everyone seems to be in driver hell... [13:10] nice [13:10] i can only imagine what we'll all be asking santa for [13:11] Pig_Pen: i appreciate it, let me smash my head into this a few more times before stubbornness abates [13:11] but i do appreciate [13:11] I have no error from which to work with :( [13:11] i want santa to bring me a Daisy Redrider BB gun [13:11] are you nuts? [13:11] you'll put your eye out, kid. [13:11] i want santa to bring me a Bugatti Veyron so i can sell it and be alright [13:11] v4nelle (n=van@78-119-214.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:12] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-147-209.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. 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[13:27] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [13:30] madlax (n=madlax@pool-72-82-103-192.nrflva.btas.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] hi [13:30] hi [13:31] I am having sound issues in Slackware [13:31] what is chocolate-covered, makes you crap, and lives in a post-apocalyptic world? [13:31] congrats [13:31] Whenever I play a song in a media player, it skips [13:31] whats wrong ? [13:31] oh [13:31] well clean the cd [13:31] I tried using alsaconf etc. to fix it [13:32] no, a song on the hard drive itself [13:32] mancha: mr. hanky ? [13:32] deco, madlax of course. [13:33] I tried changing the buffer size in audacious like someone in LinuxQuestions.org suggested, but it still skips [13:33] oh [13:33] dartmouth (n=dartmout@pool-72-65-102-94.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [13:33] http://pastebin.ca/1726130 <-- is there any reason why this config file would cause a hard lock? (xorg.conf) [13:33] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Operation timed out [13:33] it should work fine, right? [13:33] It should [13:34] looks good to me [13:34] przemoc86 (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:34] in Norway we say merry christmas on the 24th, so merry christmas slackers :) [13:34] im getting a hard lock on a fresh install, stock kernel (2.6.29.6-smp), fglrx 9-12, on a sapphire radeon hd 5770. :/ [13:34] So, anyone have a solution for the sound issues? [13:35] Merry Christmas to you too [13:35] jomo (n=mich@p3EE208F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [13:35] hmmm [13:35] the hard lock is right when kdm is called so Xorg.0.log is empty :/ [13:35] odd [13:35] I have no idea why it would do that [13:36] try changing the lines 21 & 24 from 24 to 16, you will never notice the difference [13:36] Pig_Pen: will test that out real quick [13:36] metriccwrench (n=ii@65.163.214.135) joined ##slackware. [13:36] dartmouth (n=dartmout@pool-72-65-102-94.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:36] do both 21 & 24 [13:37] hey Pig_Pen, can you help me with my sound config when you are done helping Dartmouth? [13:37] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC039CF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:37] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:38] dartmouth (n=dartmout@pool-72-65-102-94.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [13:38] i dont use audacious, i think it is an awful app, try xmms [13:38] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:38] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/sound-issues-with-media-players-in-slackware-777610/ [13:38] This is the topic I posted about it on the Linux Questions forum [13:38] let me have a look at that, i will help if i have an answer for you [13:39] xmms skips for me as well [13:39] Thank you, pig pen [13:39] przemoc86 (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:40] what do you mean by skips? like the way an old vinyl record would skip if it had scratches in it? [13:40] it skips constantly [13:40] worse than an old vinyl record [13:41] It hardly plays at all [13:41] thats an odd bug, i never heard of that [13:41] Pig_Pen: no idea how you'd have thought to do that, but it changed the behaviour; now it's a blinking cursor on tty7 when kdm is called, and Xorg.0.log is full of errors; http://en.pastebin.ca/1726140 <-- xorg.0.log [13:41] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:41] which is a huge improvement [13:42] what if you play the sound as root? [13:42] madlax ^^ [13:42] I tried that, it still skips [13:42] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) left irc: Connection timed out [13:42] Even though we are working today, they at least passed the bottle of Bailey's around [13:42] cool [13:42] ravigehlot (n=ravigehl@216.189.209.126) joined ##slackware. [13:42] madlax: try mp3blaster, it is a console based app you might like [13:43] I have dd running on root...this must be some automated process. When I execute top...I see the PID number of the running process but it does't show me what dd is actually doing behind the scenes. How do I check that? [13:43] ravigehlot: you want to see IO stats? [13:43] what are you dd'ing against? [13:43] it locked up on 24 but wont work at all on 16, that ati driver is touchy [13:44] iostat -m can show you a "zoomed out" look at disk file IO [13:44] antiwire: That is the question [13:44] ... [13:44] you don't know what you are dd'ing but you are dd'ing somehting? [13:44] How did you start the command? [13:45] antiwire: "it must be an automated process" meaning I do not know how it triggered [13:45] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:45] and you've checked cron to see if something in there triggered it? [13:45] madlax: i'm just curious, from whence do the sound files come that you are playing in local players? are they being played off your internal drive or are they on some big external mp3 harddrive? [13:45] that's the next thing I gotta do [13:45] Pig_Pen: even weirder, if you check that log, it says 'Given depth provided (16) is not supported by fglrx driver; Preinit visual failed; preinit failed; [atiddxpreinit] ==end;' [13:46] ravigehlot, try pstree [13:46] seems like it would be easier to support 16 than it would 24 [13:47] i would have thought [13:47] nachox: it shows dd there with pstree but it doesn't show what it is doing [13:47] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:48] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-66-122.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:48] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:48] ravigehlot, i dont understand what is it you want to know, you want the arguments passed to dd? try ps -ef [13:48] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] brb [13:48] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-132-157.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [13:49] :( [13:49] nachox: ps -ef is what I was looking for. thanks [13:49] ps aux gives you the same information [13:49] ^ thats what i use [13:49] i do ps waux though [13:50] not sure why [13:50] dartmouth, that works on bsd systems, it doesnt work in sysv systems, so it's cool to know both [13:51] why is this taking up about 99% of my processing time? dd bs=1 if=/proc/kmsg of=/var/run/rsyslog/kmsg [13:51] ah. that would explain it. [13:51] david__ (n=david@120.Red-213-98-80.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "Saliendo" [13:51] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [13:51] yay [13:52] REVURB (i=47a1ea89@gateway/web/freenode/x-fnwdtolzjaziotte) joined ##slackware. [13:52] nachox: any clue at all what's going on with this fglrx issue? 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[13:57] im trying it now [13:57] gimme a break [13:57] you've got all the time in the world, i dont have a unix aound, so i didnt [13:57] ravigehlot (n=ravigehl@216.189.209.126) left irc: "Leaving" [13:59] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [13:59] massive ! [14:00] ok [14:00] .... [14:00] I need to do a entire drive [14:00] an! [14:00] :D [14:00] so this file is going to be huge [14:00] so this file is going to be huge < [14:00] mery christmas all [14:00] MC beatzz [14:01] find . blah works [14:01] thanks nachox [14:01] However , I've got a drive with over 200k files on it [14:01] it'll take a while [14:02] This file could end up being enormous , yeah [14:02] is there a way to keep track of its status ? , some kind of percentage ? [14:02] :-/ [14:02] Also , can i zip null out ? [14:03] ?? [14:04] it would probably be much slower if you piped it through a compression process REVURB you may be better off just having it set to be verbose and watching your screen flicker for two days. [14:04] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:05] no, actually printing to the screen is slow [14:05] good point [14:05] second good point [14:05] well that too, but he's got to have some way of knowing if the process is continuing or not [14:05] cpu usage could tell me that , no? [14:05] framebuffer is not too slow; if he's doing it in an xconsole yeah [14:05] przemoc86 (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:06] the work is io bound so the cpu usage will be minimal [14:06] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [14:07] when your drive stop spinning like mad, it's done [14:07] the problem is unstoppable coppier didn't preserve stats [14:07] this is called high-level-*nix science [14:07] not like i really need them , but dd was taking to long [14:07] so im getting the impression i will need to downgrade from the stock kernel to get a sapphire radeon hd 5770 running with fglrx 9-12? can anyone verify? [14:07] you can pipe it through gzip to compress it [14:08] yeah , then i have 2 more pipes :-/ [14:08] google provides surprisingly little usable info to go on [14:08] ^ someone will take that out of context and noobfarm it [14:08] Except, its not funny [14:08] So..no, they won't [14:09] most of noobfarm isn't [14:10] none of you have a newer ati card? really? :P [14:11] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:11] does -p exist in cp ? [14:11] man cp [14:11] you tell us [14:11] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [14:12] ahh yes [14:12] Reav_ (n=Sarge@41.221.87.249) joined ##slackware. [14:12] i'd go with -a if you're going that route [14:13] wow this kinda is terrible , i spent the whole freakin night doing a -r on a drive and i find out now US doesn't do -p or -a [14:13] US - unstoppable copier [14:13] grrrrr [14:14] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:14] przemoc86 (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:14] bbl [14:14] madlax (n=madlax@pool-72-82-103-192.nrflva.btas.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [14:14] l8 [14:14] how far back am i going to have to roll back my kernel to get newe ati card support? [14:15] *newer [14:15] why go back ? [14:15] hmmmm, anyone know how much space a win95 installation require? (for my mother...) [14:15] why not go forwad ? [14:15] win95 ? [14:15] dartmouth: (xen sources) [14:15] yup ^^ [14:15] ;) [14:15] Scuzz: she wants to play Myst :D [14:15] lol [14:15] Camarade_Tux, less than 120 mb [14:15] nachox: ok, thanks [14:15] good :-) [14:16] REVURB: im just guessing from the very little info google provides on this issue that the fglrx 9-12 is not compatible with newer kernels. [14:16] and I'm going to name the virtual machine "nine", two versions after seven :P [14:16] Camarade_Tux, how much space do you hava available? [14:16] dartmouth: which kernel do you have right now? [14:16] dartmouth: that sucks, i hate when they don't provide native support for nix [14:16] Camarade_Tux: stock kernel, 2.6.29.6-smp [14:16] id assign it 1gb at least, space is cheap [14:16] dartmouth: should work [14:17] radeon hd sapphire 5770? [14:17] dartmouth: ubuntu has 2.6.30, I think it should work [14:17] i thought that too, but im willing to bet they have some kind of patch specifically for ubuntu [14:18] I know ati gives ubuntu drivers that are different from what they give otherwise [14:18] I don't like that amd/ati does that and I *hate* that ubuntu accepts them [14:18] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] also, 2.6.29 is quite old, it should really work: do you know the error? [14:18] camrad [14:18] has santa flown over your barn ? [14:18] jeev \o/ [14:18] jeev: 8pm [14:19] coo [14:19] l [14:19] jeev: santa is not coming to o.c [14:19] cause oc is a shit pile [14:19] jeev: stfu LA bum [14:19] :D [14:19] Camarade_Tux: http://en.pastebin.ca/1726164 [14:19] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:20] jeev: hmmm we are close to each other that's what counts [14:20] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [14:20] dartmouth: the installer succeeded? [14:21] Camarade_Tux: http://en.pastebin.ca/1726166 [14:21] yes it did [14:21] Axius (n=ade@92.84.27.68) joined ##slackware. [14:21] Given depth (16) is not supported by fglrx driver [14:21] i cleaned up xorg.conf a little after it gave me the same issue [14:21] why not go for 24? :P [14:21] yeah when i set it to 24 it is a hard lock and nothing goes to Xorg.0.log [14:22] i know this probably doesn't exist [14:22] ah, ok, but can you still access the machine? reboot the machine? or magic sysrq? ctrl+alt+bs? [14:23] but is there a way i can change the R:0 rate ? [14:23] Camarade_Tux: nope its a total meltdown lol [14:23] ( the retry time out ) [14:23] Camarade_Tux: my keyboard even locks up lol [14:23] not the ammount ! [14:23] the actuall time out rate [14:24] dartmouth: ssh? [14:24] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:24] Camarade_Tux: i have no way to test that out [14:24] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:25] Ctrl+Alt+Suppr ? [14:25] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:25] Camarade_Tux: the 'home office' was downgraded after my most recent engagement ended lol. [14:25] he [14:25] suppr? [14:25] i dont know that one [14:25] dartmouth: how many fglrx drivers support your card? [14:25] dartmouth: sorry, ctrl+alt+del [14:26] suppr is french [14:26] couldn't boot win95, win98 is ok though [14:26] Camarade_Tux: i think just this one. no the 3-finger salute does nothing when it happens, it's a lock up. i think it's just this one driver that supports the sapphire hd 5770 [14:26] madlax (n=madlax@pool-72-82-103-192.nrflva.btas.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:26] 9-12 is what im using [14:27] jdetring (n=jay@rkiefel-intf.primary.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:28] it sounds like one of those issues where if i ask ati they'll blame the kernel devs and if i were to ask the kernel devs they'd blame the ati driver. [14:28] dartmouth: xen sources [14:28] grrr [14:29] TClayton (n=tony@unaffiliated/tclayton) joined ##slackware. [14:29] dartmouth: actually you may want to upgrade your kernel, tried the 2.6.30 in testing/ ? [14:31] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [14:32] win98 is pretty installs pretty quickly ;p [14:32] przemoc86 (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:32] and you can skip installing outlook ^^ [14:34] Axius (n=ade@92.84.27.68) left irc: "Leaving" [14:34] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.95.159) joined ##slackware. [14:34] corretico__ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [14:35] chikky_monkey (n=sdsd@212.183.140.54) left irc: "Leaving" [14:36] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [14:36] Camarade_Tux: i'll try the new kernel in testing/ before downgrading, but it's off to work for me :D [14:38] ok, see you :-) [14:38] przemoc86 (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:38] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:38] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:41] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:42] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.14.60) joined ##slackware. [14:43] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [14:43] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:44] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:44] hi all. i would like to use k3b on slackware but i've not installed the kde suite. i use xfce. what are the needed packages? [14:45] you might as well just install kde [14:46] OclkdMan, do you want the kde3 version or kde4 version ? [14:46] sorry, qt3 or qt4 based version* :> [14:47] Kamel (i=olawd@c-66-177-36-4.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:47] Kamel (i=olawd@c-66-177-36-4.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:47] the one that needs less dependencies (i have slackware-current with no kde3compatibility/kde4suite packages) [14:48] you can try these: http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-current/extra/kde3-compat/ [14:49] otherwise, there are some pretty good gtk-based burning software :> [14:49] fail, I don't have the key for the win98 install, I forgot to take it with me >< [14:50] thanks google... [14:52] now i'm downloading k3b3. [14:52] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:52] Camarade_Tux: win....98? [14:52] thumbs: my mother wants to play Myst [14:52] well, to be precise, she wants to play Myst on a 42" plasma screen [14:52] Camarade_Tux: ah, are you using vbox? [14:52] of course ;p [14:53] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:53] dartmouth: working on christmas eve huh ? , you are one of us [14:55] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:55] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:56] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.14.60) left irc: "Leaving" [15:00] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@83.225.89.176) joined ##slackware. [15:00] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:02] cbpye (n=cbpye@h199.110.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:02] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:03] win98 still not installed [15:03] seems like their way to provide accurate remaining times is to throttle installation speed >< [15:05] hmmm win98 was my first OS [15:05] brings back memories of the blue screen [15:06] :) [15:06] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.230.168) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:06] i still have win95 and win98 on CDrom [15:07] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-147-209.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [15:07] hehe [15:07] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.55.153) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:10] snow & ice in a wide swath from the middle of texas up to wisconsen & minnesota [15:10] x-ip_ (n=sakura-s@host56.186-125-79.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [15:12] hi Pig_Pen [15:12] awesome [15:12] Let it Snow [15:13] hi madlax [15:15] przemoc86 (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. 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[17:14] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Excess Flood [17:14] i fixed up a glass of fruit juice and poured in a shotglass of everclear, then got busy doing something else for a moment, forgot to stir my drink and just took a taste and wow! all the alcohol was still at the top of the glass! [17:15] Pig_Pen: so it's better like that then ? [17:15] er, rather added a dash [17:15] it killed all the germs in my mouth :D [17:15] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:15] oh hehe [17:16] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Excess Flood [17:16] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [17:16] everclear is pure grain alcohol, 195 proof (as strong as alcohol can possibly be made) [17:17] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:17] is your name "hoss" ? :) [17:17] agentc0re: I saw it. But I do not understand why you do not just fix the fstab in the root filesystem? Now, your initrd copies that fstab.xvda everytime to fstab, but after the first time those two are already identical [17:17] it should be [17:17] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Excess Flood [17:18] 195 proof sounds quite appealing right about now [17:18] SIGBUS_ (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:18] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:19] good anti-freeze [17:19] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Excess Flood [17:19] i like everclear, mixes well with lots of different soft drinks like sodapop or fruit juices [17:20] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:20] try it with 7Up and a squeeze of fresh lemon or lime juice, tasty [17:20] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Excess Flood [17:21] @ 97.5% alcohol by volume, it is almost perfectly without taste, making it a good mixer in that sense [17:21] dont drink everclear straight, that pure alcohol will hurt you [17:21] alienBOB: that's true. Could add some sort of check to see if it needs to copy it at the beginning. The reason why i don't is that fstab.orig has /dev/hda2 / ext3 defaults 1 1, where as fstab.xvda has, /dev/xvda2 / ext3 defaults 1 1. The reason why i'd like to keep both around is in case of needing to boot to vanilla. [17:21] good for cleaning gunk off car battery contacts too? [17:22] yup [17:22] and as a glass cleaner it leaves windows streak free [17:22] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:23] speaking of anti-corrosives, ever dunk a rusted nail in a glass of coca-cola overnight? [17:23] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Excess Flood [17:23] alienBOB: i had asked earlier because i was wondering if their was a better way to do it. (sorry i didn't mean to pester.. just saw you had parted inbetween when i posted the link and i wasnt sure if you saw it). [17:23] mancha: seen that in elementary school [17:23] amazing, comes out brand spanking new [17:24] i've had two shots of Everclear in one night... it's been the only two shots of everclear i've had so far. I have no idea what happened after the first shot. [17:24] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:24] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Excess Flood [17:24] agent aside from waking up with a missing left pinky and a tattoo that said "Manolo" on your right buttocks? [17:24] hmmm, I thought it made the nail dissolve... many years ago, maybe I'm mis-remembering [17:25] agentc0re: i bet some of your friends has pictures of what you did, probably took off all your clothes and howeled at the moon [17:25] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:26] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Excess Flood [17:26] Pig_Pen: no, the wife was there so i heard alllllll about it the next day. i think i started to rough house too much. [17:26] aka, tackling and slapping lots of people. [17:26] Action: fire|bird slaps agentc0re [17:27] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:27] corey2 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] x-ip (n=sakura-s@host56.186-125-79.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "leaving" [17:27] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Excess Flood [17:28] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. 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[17:33] ##slackware: mode change '+b Rachael!*@*' by rworkman!i=3356@about/slackware/rworkman [17:33] Rachael kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [17:33] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!i=3356@about/slackware/rworkman [17:34] \o/ [17:34] chopp: LMAO... you reminded me of this video(thx dyslexia.) http://urlg.in/1ch [17:34] what was Rachael doing? [17:34] rachael=boxee [17:34] offering up her bod for $$ again [17:34] Pig_Pen: 14:28 -!- Rachael [n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk] has joined ##slackware [17:34] 14:28 -!- Rachael [n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Excess Flood] [17:34] ad nauseaum [17:35] agentc0re: damn, I'll have to change my nick now. ;) [17:35] rworkman: Could forward her to ##fix_your_connection [17:35] what a joke!, this is irc and were all hundreds or thousands of mules apart, besides there are women that give it away free because they like it [17:35] chopp: haha, at least have it as a backup. [17:35] chopp: the skin...comes right off. [17:36] hehe [17:36] KB1JWQ you can force a channel forward like that on fn? [17:36] mancha: yup! [17:36] send me somewhere [17:37] isn't it nick!*@*!#blah to forward? [17:37] NthDegree: Yes. [17:37] mancha: I'm not an op here. [17:37] or do you mean you can link a hostmask to the channel so that upon joining it sends you somehwerre else? [17:37] mancha, it's a ban that forwards [17:37] if you're banned you end up in the other place [17:37] i hope my aluminum antenna survives this snow storm [17:37] KB, soa /j ##slackware would effectively become a /j ##whatever [17:37] and since most people auto-rejoin, it's basically a forwarder [17:39] hey KB, whilst i have you ear, can i haz ssl kthnx [17:39] s/you ear/your ear/ [17:39] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. 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[17:52] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Client Quit [17:54] i need to add the dontzap option, i found /etc/X11/xorg.conf-vesa and worked with it but my changes didn't work [17:54] is there another xorg.conf that i'm not seeing? [17:55] vastina: Slackware 13.0 does not use a xorg.conf by default [17:55] But you can create one [17:55] setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp [17:56] Pig_Pen: from the shell? [17:56] add that to anything like a shell or .xinitrc [17:57] what about restricting the changing of terms? [17:57] ctrl-alt- [17:57] not sure [17:57] another setxkbmap command? [17:58] you mean like tty1 tty2 & up to 6 [17:58] ? [17:58] yep [17:58] you can comment out some entries in /etc/inittab [17:58] leave only 1 or 2 or whatever you want, i have added some before [17:58] oh ok... i saw them but i wasn't sure if i should have been toying with them or not [17:58] i had 12 before [17:59] i would like to use dontzap without hal :( [17:59] ctl+alt+bkspace works by default in slackware 13, if you use hal [17:59] cteg: oh btw minitube worked after installing kde [18:00] deco: i figured that might happen :( [18:00] danklesm1n (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [18:00] Merry Christmas [18:00] re, minitube, on a qt3 system, can you install qt4 in a peaceful co-existence? [18:00] Pig_Pen: if i have my user restricted to a gdm/xdm login via runlevel 4, should i just comment out all the terms in inittab? [18:00] happy festivus [18:00] yeah merry christmas to you all [18:00] vehn_z1 (n=vehn_z@62.133.183.135) left irc: "Leaving." [18:01] cteg: likewise [18:01] no, leave at least tty1 [18:01] ok [18:01] thanks [18:01] which distro was it running without hal completely...i heard hal is gonna deprecated now? [18:02] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.52.57.static.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:02] hal is already deprecated, ubuntu is hal-less already [18:02] oh nice, i hope slack will be too [18:02] vehn_z (n=vehn_z@62.133.183.135) joined ##slackware. [18:03] you want slackware to apply such ugly patches to x.org too? :P [18:03] i dont care as long as it is without hal [18:03] ;) [18:03] get ready for devicekit! [18:04] plus, gnome is the only thing that has moved away from hal; kde and xfce still depend on it, and probably will for awhile yet [18:04] gm152 (n=glen@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] thats ok [18:05] i won't use kde, gnome or xfce [18:05] Pig_Pen: i have my .xinitrc set to exec /usr/bin/fvwm2 &; firefox ... should i add the setxkbmap to the bottom or the top of the file? [18:05] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:05] cteg, then, just recompile your xorg-server without hal, and remove it :) [18:05] sant0 (n=chatzill@187-26-157-250.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201220228]" [18:05] in the bottom will be fine [18:06] cteg: fluxbox or pure console? :) [18:06] i saw that gcc-4.4.2 is in slack64 testing for current. would i need to update completely to current or could i just upgrade my gcc packages with those? [18:06] yes...but then, i'm too lazy to build xorg just for ctrl-alt-backspace [18:06] vehn_z: fluxbox [18:06] agentc0re, just those packages should work fine, nothing in the toolchain for -current has changed [18:06] not working [18:07] cteg, ctl+alt+backspace is 1 line addition to your xorg.conf [18:07] thrice`: not without hal. i'm running xorg without hal [18:07] cteg: Yes, it's just one line, hal or not. [18:07] cteg, yes, without hal [18:07] what? i tested that, and i found huuge mail wars about that [18:07] yeah Pig_Pen neither the top nor the bottom is working for the setxkbmap flag [18:07] ctl+alt+backspace is a xorg thing, it has nothing to do with hal [18:08] cteg, it's off by default, but if you want it enabled, it's a one-line addition to your xorg.conf [18:08] no way i tested that 3 times, or i must be drunken [18:08] i have that line commented in the xorg [18:08] .conf [18:08] which line? [18:08] that dontzap thing [18:08] paste your line [18:08] setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp [18:09] alienBOB: if there is no xorg.conf, where would i pass DontZap and DontVTSwitch ? [18:09] thrice`: thank you. for future reference, how can i check on that myself? Or would it be assumed by the fact that it would be out of testing and under d/ ? [18:09] Pig_Pen: did that, no go [18:09] Option "DontZap" true [18:09] agentc0re, well, outside of the toolchain, gcc doesn't link to much :) [18:09] hmm, works for me, run it in an xterminal [18:10] i will show you what i have in my ~/.xinitrc [18:10] shouldn't it be "false" ? [18:10] openbox | rox --pinboard=PIN | tint2 -c ~/.tint2rc | setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp [18:11] Pig_Pen: not going for me, and i have the X server set to not utilise a term [18:11] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:12] why would slackware drop the xorg.conf? i need that file for the DontZap and DontVTSwitch options [18:12] Action: vastina headdesks [18:12] you *can* have an xorg.conf of course [18:13] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [18:13] i was hoping this last bit would be not so challenging [18:13] well, where's the extant one? [18:13] how does slackware pull her options [18:13] there is none [18:13] because xorg dont need one [18:13] ridiculous [18:13] if you want to add options, create one, just with your options [18:13] this is a xorg thing, most distros are like this [18:14] i agree vastina, i think xorg is a damn kludge of a mess, they are trying to be like windows and make everything too automated and that does not work well with so much varied and differing hardware specs and configuration requirements [18:14] wtf? [18:14] seriously, I can install slackware, and run startx without ANY configuring. how is that a bad thing? [18:14] yeah... i have no clue how to pass this argument if it's not going to run from my .xinitrc file [18:14] yeah, its not slackware's fault, it is xorg's fault [18:14] only hal is evil. and dbus. [18:14] hehehe [18:14] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [18:14] cteg, why is dbus evil? [18:15] thrice`: when you have to start a kiosk or something special with X that's where it becomes a pain in the arse, i *need* DontZap and DontVTSwitch [18:15] evil = Every Villian is Lemons [18:15] because it starts so many damn processes i dont want and need. like hal. they are both evil [18:15] from hell [18:15] corey2 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:15] I think you're clueless, and just on some bandwagon [18:16] what? [18:16] from xorg-hal day one i was looking to run it without [18:16] thrice`: that aimed at me? [18:17] no, cteg :) you have yet to produce a reason why "dbus is evil." I don't think you have any clue what it does [18:17] oh ok [18:18] i seen dbus bite a little girl on the neck with fanged teeth and suck the blood out of her like a vampire [18:18] everything i needed worked before dbus. now every f** piece of software depends on hal. [18:18] s/hal/dbus [18:18] Action: thrice` rolls his eyes [18:18] Pig_Pen: any idea why the setxkbmap option you rendered me isn't doing anything? [18:18] not sure [18:18] i placed it in the beginning, centre, and end of my .xinitrc file, nothing [18:18] so thats my opinion, you have yours..everything is fine. [18:20] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:20] i'm getting antsy, i need this box out within an hour, and i need ctrl-alt-bksp disabled, as well as VT switching [18:20] vastina, ok, you want ctl+alt+bksp to kill xorg, or to not kill xorg? [18:21] ! [18:21] he wants it to, ! [18:21] :P [18:21] lo [18:21] sorry [18:21] haha [18:21] i'm going to test that dontzap again now. could be i was drunken. remind me starting next irssi in a screen [18:21] ! operator [18:21] :p [18:21] error [18:21] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:21] i need it to NOT kill xorg [18:22] oh! you want ctrl alt bksp disabed? then just add dont zap to xorg.conf [18:22] and i need VT switching disabled [18:22] Pig_Pen: i said that! [18:22] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [18:22] it doesn't work [18:22] what doesn't work, again? [18:22] get a pair of needle nose plier and pull that ctrl alt keys off the keyboard, they might need backspace for fixing typos [18:23] changing options in /etc/X11/xorg.conf-vesa [18:23] doesn't work [18:23] of course not [18:23] the name is xorg.conf [18:23] Pig_Pen: please; i really need to get this over with [18:23] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [18:23] and this is my last hangup on the kiosk i'm trying to get out [18:24] lol.. ya what cteg said. did you rename the xorg.conf-vesa to just xorg.conf ? [18:24] really? just change the name? [18:25] hemi_426 (n=moo@a88-11-23.stars.net.sa) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:25] cat /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymap.fdi [18:25] that explains how to do it too [18:26] Mick_ (n=mick@ALagny-153-1-18-148.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:26] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-125-199.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: "this is who we are" [18:27] hemi_426 (n=moo@a88-11-23.stars.net.sa) joined ##slackware. [18:27] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:27] wow... [18:28] i'm sorry people, had no idea a simple rename would do that [18:28] thanks for the help [18:28] everybody has their own method of customizing and tweaking a system, i always just do X -configure | mv /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf [18:29] well if i knew... nvm it's christmas, excuse my ignorance there [18:29] santa is coming to visit tonite! :D [18:30] vastina: just curious, do you diasble ctrl alt del? [18:30] hello Pig_Pen [18:30] TClayton: i'm configuring a kiosk machine, for that reason i need it disabled [18:30] how is everyone this fine evening? [18:31] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:31] better, you? [18:31] Greetings [18:31] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-125-199.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [18:31] im good, thanks [18:31] TClayton: I am well, thank you. how are you? [18:32] haven a beer and slackin, just great hitest [18:32] sounds good [18:32] gonna crack a can of beer myself right now [18:33] TClayton: what beer man? [18:33] corona extra w/a lime [18:34] yeah i'm cool on all that [18:34] Action: vastina will be enjoying an american craft beer vintage tonight [18:35] 1997 Alaskan Smoked Porter baby [18:35] mmm mmm [18:35] given to me as a gift by the brewery after this year's great american beer festival [18:36] happy hijacked pagan holiday everyone [18:36] not trying to bash you TClayton, but if i comes from a clear bottle, it's probably not made for quality [18:36] s/i/it/ [18:37] I got to find out if the bar is open tonight [18:37] speaking of beer [18:38] vastina: but its good for me [18:38] TClayton: not saying otherwise, just elaborating that i'm not trying to insult you my friend [18:38] hearing you americans talking about quality beer is an antagonism [18:38] scnr [18:38] that alaskan smoked sounds like it may be a good beer [18:38] *run and hide* [18:38] cteg: and where are you from? [18:38] i was joking. [18:38] germany. [18:39] cteg: you lot are #3 in my books, behind the belgians, and the americans [18:39] corey2 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:39] no offence [18:39] Action: vastina 's from england [18:39] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC039CF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:39] i dunno [18:39] not an insult either considering i didn't put england in that 3 [18:39] obama decided to start printing money [18:40] and that was germany's mistake in their situation we're in now [18:40] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC039CF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] so now 1 us $ = like 0.4 euro's [18:40] yeah but thats...umm...ok..i would put the czechs on #1, belgians #2, germany maybe #3 [18:40] also likes peroni and tsingtao [18:40] cteg: pfft, the czechs are good at one thing and one thing only... pilsener [18:41] oh and child prostitution [18:41] I am working on moving to the UK. [18:41] fatalnix: i'm sorry [18:41] yeah talking about pilsener. is there any other "beer"? ;) [18:41] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [18:42] cteg: there are many styles i love and enjoy [18:42] there is malt liquor (if you like to puke) [18:42] you germans are very good at lagers for example [18:42] Pig_Pen: oooh old english 800! hahaha [18:43] germans also produce my favourite bocks [18:43] Guiness [18:43] guinness is not balanced, too malty, not enough hops [18:43] thats the point of it [18:43] yeah in like... 1700? [18:44] its still really good. someone told me its even better overseas instead of the stuff they export [18:44] because the english were taxing far too hard on hops making the st james' brewery filthy rich [18:44] which is weird. [18:44] i only "enjoyed" budweiser once. hehe thats the only american beer i know of so i can't really talk about american beer. [18:44] but compared to original "budvar"...its like catpee [18:44] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-226-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:44] fatalnix: you can make any recipe taste better with an accompanying experience [18:45] cteg: no, the original budweiser/budvar/czechvar is the best, the american counterpart... is pathetic [18:45] i spent way too many years in the beer business, i'll shut up [18:45] exactly [18:46] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:46] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [18:46] i like the english way to fill my pint in like 30 seconds [18:46] heh [18:46] here i have to wait 10 minutes [18:46] the best thing about our english brew... is real cask ale... can't fucking beat it [18:47] and the pint is always filled up, here i have a quarter of foam [18:47] nice rich creamy head... can be judged like a woman, the quality of head it gives [18:47] heh a real gourmet [18:49] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [18:49] just found that [18:49] "American beer is like sex in a boat. --- Fucking close to water!" [18:49] -anonymous [18:49] haha i disagree, but on the status quo, that's funny [18:50] cteg: you need to try these american's craft beer, you'll put your foot in your mouth on the shit you can speak [18:51] vehn_z1 (n=vehn_z@62.133.183.135) joined ##slackware. [18:51] never been long enough over there, i guess you don't get it here [18:51] cteg: it's in very specialist shops in europe [18:51] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:51] ie: almost non-existant [18:52] i see [18:55] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:55] "Alcohol, the cause of and solution to all life's problems" - Homer Simpson [18:56] true [18:57] Pig_Pen: hey, i dropped into runlevel 4 and my wm changed from fvwm, do i need to declare it in .xsession, or??? [18:57] i don't do this much obviously [18:57] haha [18:57] Mick_ (n=mick@ALagny-153-1-18-148.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:59] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:00] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [19:02] freebse (n=freebse@g230090222.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [19:02] run xwmconfig [19:03] make sure it is set to your desired window manager (fvwm) [19:03] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [19:03] Pig_Pen: thank you [19:05] if it still gives you problems do: echo fvwm ~/.xinitrc [19:05] missing `>'? [19:05] echo fvwm > ~/.fvwm [19:05] yeah [19:05] k [19:05] :) [19:05] good chime in PurpleSmurf [19:05] nice output but meaningless :) [19:05] yw [19:05] he didnt say `cat' [19:06] vehn_z (n=vehn_z@62.133.183.135) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:07] holy crap cambridge university is 800 years old this year [19:07] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-80-29.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [19:08] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "peace" [19:09] Pig_Pen: well, fvwm is now the default... problem is... it doesn't seem to be reading my .xinitrc file nor my .fvwm2rc file [19:09] fwvm doesnt read xinitrc [19:09] I thought X did? [19:09] upon startx it does [19:09] no, xinit does [19:09] yeah xinit [19:10] run strace on fwvm to see what happens for fwvm2rc reading attempt [19:10] use -o filename to save strace output to file. [19:12] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk expired. [19:12] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:12] ok, well, X doesn't seem to be reading the .xinitrc file... i have a fvwm and firefox going in it and my config only works from a runlevel 3 startx [19:12] usually there is a dialog in the menu to build some default .fvwm2rc files [19:12] xinitrc is in ~? [19:12] when i change to runlevel 4, seems the .xinitrc calls are discarded [19:12] yep [19:12] when first run [19:12] i think it is ignored but i dont boot to rl4 [19:12] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC039CF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:13] neither do i normally that's why i'm confused [19:13] tried it once a century ago and hated it [19:13] it's for a kiosk machine [19:13] oh [19:13] ok [19:14] if i issue a startx, it reads my .xinitrc but when i drop to runlevel 4, it doesn't seem to want to read what i've placed in .xinitrc [19:14] ideas? [19:14] s/if i issue a startx/if i issue a startx from rl3 [19:14] which dm starts by fl4? [19:14] rl4 [19:14] display manager? [19:15] yea [19:15] i believe it's xdm [19:15] yeah it is [19:15] start with reviewing its docs [19:15] and its config files etc/X11/*... [19:15] nix_chix0r (n=nixchix@97-127-217-97.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:15] no time, i'm babbling in here for the quick fix, it's the end of my day [19:15] otherwise i'd shut up and read [19:15] so do it on next shift in the john :) [19:16] :) [19:16] that's what the tablets are for [19:16] mmm reading on the terlet [19:16] lol [19:17] this is pissing me off... i spend a good portion of my day writing out this stupid fuckign kiosk, and xdm fucks me up in the end [19:17] yoyoned (n=todd@99-28-32-154.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:17] what's in the xinitrc that needs to run? [19:18] exec /usr/bin/fvwm2 &; firefox [19:18] ; denotes newline [19:18] why cant you do that rc.4? [19:18] or in rc.local? [19:18] hmm, you need a login for xdm [19:18] how are you getting past that? [19:19] fvwm can autostart applications on its own, don't do that in .xinitrc [19:19] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Autostart_Programs#FVWM [19:19] when the user closes firefox i need the wm to exit and bring xdm back up [19:19] or, if you have a particular user logging in, then setup .bash_profile for that user [19:19] so throw that into an rc script? [19:20] skip user then if using rc.4|local [19:22] this is driving me stupid [19:23] fuck gui, fuck xdm [19:23] gah [19:23] elinks is nice [19:23] vastina i suggest that you sleep on it. stop now. [19:23] go home. [19:24] why not use a distro that is meant for this, and does all of this setup for you? :) [19:24] no, i promised i'd have this done... and i need this shit done [19:24] vastina those are the classic signs of burnout [19:24] k [19:24] i can do it from rl3 i don't understand why it's not doing the same shit from rl4 [19:25] stop cursing, you sound retarded [19:25] what's the 3rd procedure? [19:25] thrice`: excuse my non-chrtistian fingers [19:25] s/chrtistian/christian [19:25] or, better, keep cursing, and maybe you can get banned and be on your own ;) [19:25] vastina does xdm have to be used? why not startx& in ~/bash_pro*? [19:25] i hope i didn't offend any little sheeple [19:25] thrice`: good point :) [19:25] i'm unoffendable member of body. [19:26] yosi (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:26] Nick change: yosi -> nyRednek [19:26] after working on my car replacing a mass air flow sensor at 15F for 4 hours, i don't think i can be burnt out [19:27] you're having a mental block; that's burnout ;) [19:27] just frustrated, i'm cool now... [19:27] :) [19:27] Mick_ (n=mick@ALagny-153-1-18-148.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:27] on with xdm! [19:29] ok... so... if i'm running from rl3 doing fvwm2 it runs from my user's local .xinitrc and draws from the local .fvwm2rc file... right? [19:29] http://tldp.org/LDP/LGNET/128/adam1.html [19:29] how would i get rl4 to match the arguments i threw for rl3 [19:30] from 3, you startx, right? [19:30] yep [19:30] that's the diff [19:30] 4 runs xdm which does different things [19:30] well no skittles [19:30] haha that sounds stupid [19:30] xdm runx X directly [19:30] i dont know what setup it does like start tho [19:31] right [19:31] that's where i'm hung up [19:31] start provides for reading ~/ user files and [19:31] k [19:31] heh on the skittles [19:31] any ideas? [19:32] review the xdm docs is all i got [19:32] i'm with you... i am relatively burnt out [19:32] ok [19:33] rest is good espec. for geeks [19:33] just wish i had a quick cut and dry answer to i can throw this box back into the break-room and get on with life knowing i honoured my promise is all [19:33] yea [19:33] ok; one last time before you leave [19:33] what is it that you're doin? [19:34] (##slackware) Channel ban on Rachael!*@* expired. [19:34] ##slackware: mode change '-b Rachael!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:34] the executive summ. [19:34] finalising a kiosk i've built for our breakroom, it runs one thing and one thing alone, firefox... if firefox exits, the wm should go with it and bring the user back to an xdm login [19:34] ok [19:35] i began with twm, hit a curb, moved to fvwm [19:35] 2 [19:35] k [19:35] everything was perfect, until i hit rl4 [19:35] ok try this [19:36] Agiofws (n=nAgiofws@athedsl-429808.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:36] start xdm from rc.local since nothing else before rc.local is required for x11 technically [19:36] instead of rl4 [19:36] then there's xdm's login to a particular user, whose bash_profile starts firefox [19:36] that make sense? [19:37] vastina: you also going to kiosk-ize firefox? (stop people from entering "file:///" or whatever, stop them creating bookmarks, downloading files, etc)? [19:37] Urchlay: already sorted that part [19:37] :) [19:37] modified a mime-file? [19:38] vastina: really? how? last time I looked (5+ years ago) it wasn't really do-able all that well... [19:38] Agiofws (n=nnAgiofw@athedsl-427513.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:38] touch a file in .mozilla/*, chown to root and make it empty? [19:39] nah, i just installed this software called r-kiosk [19:39] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [19:39] pff [19:39] and played with the abou:config a bit [19:39] that's cheating [19:39] haha! [19:39] :) [19:39] j0z- (n=j0z@187.58.247.64) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:40] PurpleSmurf: yes it makes sense [19:40] ok [19:40] darylc (n=darylc@cpe-76-167-237-25.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:40] vastina TMTOWTD [19:41] deacronyse; i'm that burnt out right now and i have to go home to the gf and christmas shit in a minute [19:41] oops... s/shit/skittle [19:41] rofl; "christmas shit"!!! that's highlarious [19:41] sorry [19:41] r-kiosk... /me checks it out [19:42] remember, i'm not just an irc'er, i'm a member of the body!!! rofl [19:42] screw this... i'm just going to get into my Z and drive home now... [19:42] vastina mine event will be dinner and pseudo-fellowship at mom's house [19:42] would like to have a user on my box who logs in normally, and goes straight to kiosk-mode firefox [19:43] vastina but i do get to sit at the adult's table too [19:43] how much money can a kiosk in a Mall bring in? [19:43] urchlay: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1659 [19:43] why don't you just run a pc in a bootable CD. change it so that if FF closes it reboots... or shit, even if they do anything else, save stuff... when you reboot it's clean. /shrug. [19:44] agentc0re: because i'm lame ok? [19:44] Action: vastina is going home [19:44] happy christmas! [19:44] when will someone make a pc on a usb stick and a power-supply with a usb port? [19:44] you're not lame. [19:44] just show them a fake blue screen [19:44] vastina bye gn and MC to ya [19:44] cteg lol [19:44] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:44] but you should have left work 6 hours ago [19:44] PurpleSmurf: same man [19:44] what' this thing about a Black screen of death? [19:45] vastina ty [19:45] i almost ended up getting stuck at work myself... then i hit a wall and said.. fsck this! [19:45] did you really say "fsck"? [19:45] lol [19:45] Hoogin (n=hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: "Leaving." [19:46] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [19:46] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-80-29.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [19:47] hrm.. playonlinux seems promising.. [19:47] also compiled wine64 successfully... going to see how well this works out. :D [19:48] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.55.153) joined ##slackware. [19:48] The-Croupier (n=ChrisOne@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:49] The-Croupier (n=agapi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [19:49] The-Croupier1 (n=ChrisOne@62.1.248.32.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:49] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:50] damn, seamonkey colors have become munged, invisible text, and i dont know why [19:50] idears? [19:50] greetings and happy xmas..etc.. all the good stuff im not good with that stuff ;) [19:51] yea, i just celebrate the good news. [19:52] the pref color values are correct. where else can i look? [19:53] is there a way to see what processes are running and what are linked to what? especially the last one ;) [19:54] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [19:54] like, "pstree" ? [19:55] j0z- (n=j0z@187.58.247.64) joined ##slackware. [19:56] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck_@bl4-217-200.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:56] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-125-199.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: "this is who we are" [19:58] hello guys [19:58] thrice`: maybe ...i havent got that installed though... for some reason stupid of me ;) [19:58] happy chistmas [19:58] hiya LnxSlck [19:58] same to you ... [19:58] darylc_ (n=darylc@166.205.138.96) joined ##slackware. [19:58] hello The-Croupier [19:59] what you doing here today ? [19:59] this kind of day ;) [19:59] The-Croupier, procps package? [19:59] The-Croupier, having issues with my atheros wifi card [19:59] The-Croupier: lsof maybe [20:00] yoyoned (n=todd@99-28-32-154.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [20:01] all of those are so helpful, thank you guys... ill read/try them on ;) [20:04] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [20:04] ravigehlot (n=ravigehl@216.189.209.126) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:05] ugh. So if I'm looking at some qt3 app that I want to build... there is zero chance it will actually build on qt4 unmodified, right? [20:05] I mean qt4 is completely API-incompatible with qt3, isn't it? [20:06] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Success [20:06] darylc (n=darylc@pdpc/supporter/active/darylc) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:06] Nick change: darylc_ -> darylc [20:07] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [20:08] correct; this is why Pat put kde3-compat. stuff in extra/ [20:08] The-Croupier1 (n=ChrisOne@62.1.248.32.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [20:09] Lasting (n=Fresco@ZL004197.ppp.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [20:10] anyone using ath5k driver for wireless card? [20:10] daidoji (n=daidoji7@adsl-99-30-229-95.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:33] corey2 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:56] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:57] caoliver [20:57] Curses of the world: flat bottles of Champagne. [20:57] ouch [20:58] pinhole leak or something? [20:58] I called the seller. I have a replacement, but the party's over. [20:58] Dunno. I've had two flatties this year: a '92 Moncuit and the Guy Larmandier I took to my friend's this evening. [20:59] corey2 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:59] Also, the roads are icy, so it was a funny drive back home. [21:00] where you live, do the roads ice often enough that people know how to drive on them, and/or the cops/whoever put plenty of salt on the roads? [21:01] Despite the less than appetizing aperitif, the dinner went well, and the still red I brought was very well received. [21:01] This was an odd ice. It started raining about the time I headed home. [21:02] Had it stayed dry, it would have been easy. We do salt (and pepper ;-)) our roads, but the road crews hadn't the chance to get out. [21:03] where I live (Atlanta area), the roads ice maybe once every 3 or 4 years [21:03] most places, they don't have enough crews and/or rock salt [21:04] and nobody keeps tire chains handy [21:04] Lasting (n=Fresco@ZL004197.ppp.dion.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [21:05] This is northern Michigan. Ice is a usual annoyance/hazard. [21:08] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:10] anyone here have a slackware or slamd64 12.x install running? I need to find out which (if any) package on 12.x contains the file "mix_mic.png" [21:11] Hang a sec. Let me grab that distro. Should be in the manifest. [21:11] vehn_z1 (n=vehn_z@62.133.183.135) left irc: "Leaving." [21:12] oh, wait, isn't the manifest also on the ftp site? /me looks there [21:13] nawp, apparently not [21:14] It should be in the slackware subdir of the slackware-12.2 dir. [21:15] mix_microphone.png? [21:16] kde/kdeartwork-3.5.10-x86_64_slamd64-1.tgz [21:18] /usr/share/icons/slick/22x22/apps [21:18] /mix_microphone.png [21:19] Oops. That should be one line. [21:20] ok, so there never was a mix_mic.png [21:20] daidoji (n=daidoji7@adsl-99-30-229-95.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: [21:21] Not in 12.2. [21:22] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:22] nor in 12.1 it seems [21:22] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-71.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [21:22] this is some 3rd-party app I'm messing with that wants to use mix_mic.png as an icon, but doesn't come with that icon, thought maybe it was a standard KDE icon from an old version [21:24] Do you have source code, or did it come as a bin? [21:24] have source [21:25] source tarball doesn't include any image files at all [21:25] hm, maybe the web site's favicon will do [21:25] I'd patch it to point at mix_microphone.png, and see if that looks OK. [21:25] heh, it hasn't got a favicon [21:25] What does the app do? [21:25] guitar tuner [21:26] well, musical instrument tuner (which you'd use with a microphone for acoustic instruments) [21:26] I suspect they wanted that KDE icon, but either someone pulled the rug out from under them, our they were stupid. [21:26] man, last.fm is so useful [21:26] it knows who i am [21:27] probly so. I'll use it, in the grand scheme of things I really don't care, not being a KDE user anyway :) [21:27] I don't need lastfm to tell me who I am. Everyone else does that. ;-) [21:34] brucelee (n=fffz@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:38] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:38] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-125-199.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: "this is who we are" [21:46] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [21:46] Mick_ (n=mick@ALagny-153-1-18-148.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:47] alienBOB, "elsheepo - that's one kick a$$ script. Thank you!" concerning your IP tables script. [21:47] i guided a lost ubuntu user twards your shinning light of slackness. [21:48] im just glad i got to look cool for like 5 seconds for posting the link to him -_- [21:49] impy (n=impy@196.51-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [21:50] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Client Quit [21:51] beatzz lol, guiding light of slackness!!! [21:51] that's almost priceless [21:54] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:57] icarus_ (n=icarus@d40a4f21.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:57] arghh2d2 (n=arghh2d2@cpe-98-30-113-178.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:00] hm, my qt3 app needs --with-Qt-dir=/opt/kde3/lib/qt3 on 32-bit slack 13, but not on 64-bit [22:01] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:01] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck_@bl4-217-200.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:01] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:03] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [22:05] merry xmass everyone [22:07] happy festivus from the rest of us [22:08] nachox, same to u buddy!!! [22:09] freebse (n=freebse@g230090222.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:11] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:12] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [22:14] "Blah hlumblug" - Scrooge on a scuba trip. [22:16] hahaha [22:16] caoliver, very nice [22:19] yosi (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:21] MLanden (n=Nevah@pool-72-82-76-165.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:21] Heya,slackers [22:27] MLanden (n=Nevah@pool-72-82-76-165.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:28] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-72-82-76-165.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:32] judequinn (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) joined ##slackware. [22:32] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:34] merry xmas, everybody!!! [22:35] happy holidays,gades [22:35] follow your leader, get nailed to a crucifix [22:35] what's a gade? [22:36] happy holidays, gades [22:36] thanks shonudo MLanden [22:37] oh, gades is someone's nick, I read it like "happy holidays, guys" [22:37] lol [22:37] sorry, was only sort-of paying attention to irc [22:38] Urchlay, yes! [22:38] does it rhyme with "raids" or with "hades"? [22:39] Urchlay, Merry christmas [22:39] ! [22:39] Good night as well, had enough seasonal beer. [22:39] time for a nice sleep [22:40] echo "Zreel Kznf gb lbh, gbb" | rot13 [22:40] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: ""I feel like the guy who shit his pants in front of everyone here in ##slackware..... "" [22:41] that's a different parting message [22:42] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [22:44] There's a reason he feels that way. [22:45] I feel like beatzz main concern in life is getting ##slackware to acknowledge that he drinks beer. [22:46] google-chrome in lin is pretty nice. [22:46] But I'll never use a browser without good plugins unless something revolutionary happens. [22:47] like the end of flash? [22:47] (top on my christmas wishlist) [22:47] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [22:47] the WWW is completely unsuable without adblock. [22:47] something revolutionary like what? the world rises up and rebels, slaughters all the advertisers and malware purveyors? :) [22:47] Alan_Hicks++; [22:47] judequinn (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:48] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) joined ##slackware. [22:48] shonudo: flash doesn't bother me when it's not used for annoying purposes... what bothers me is that I need an extra browser add-on to be able to selectively allow flash applets to run [22:49] that should be something you can set as the default behaviour in adobe's flash plugin [22:49] i think most sites overuse flash to the point where it's ridiculous [22:49] get ads with sounds [22:49] yeah [22:49] I think all ISP's should set doubleclick.com to 127.0.0.1 in their DNS servers. [22:49] Urchlay: Re ads and malware: one can dream can't one? [22:49] or spank the monkey ads [22:50] hideously ugly, highly-anumated ads that make it damn near impossible to concentrate on whatever you actually wanted to look at on the page [22:50] Or pop-overs. [22:50] "you've been selected to win a blah blah blah" [22:50] Worse yet are the web pages that require flash for navigation. [22:50] not only is it annoying [22:50] wtf does it mean to be "selected to win"? [22:50] Alan_Hicks: you must hate photographers. [22:50] I can't stand sites that do that, especially when I'm looking for drivers or shit. [22:50] you've either won, or you haven't [22:50] caoliver: I don't trust anyone who wants to "shoot me". [22:51] I can't think of a pro photo site I've seen which doesn'[t use flash as the foundation. [22:51] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [22:51] Which can be very annoying. [22:52] and makes the right click save thing a bit difficult [22:52] Evidently they've not heard of screen grabs. [22:52] Alan_Hicks: yah, especially things like online tests (you're required to take for a class), which use flash, and the designers assumed everyone's using at least 1600x1200 resolution @ fullscreen (the applet won't fit in the browser window and can't even be scrolled) [22:52] btw, happy holiday caoliver [22:53] Urchlay: Yeah. [22:53] and no standard keyboard shortcuts like a regular web form would have [22:53] Tnx. Merry, happy, joyous whatever you celebrate to you too. [22:53] elderK (n=zk@125-238-255-127.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [22:53] Hey peeps, [22:53] anyone here happen to have Wine installed? [22:53] lol [22:53] And, wouldn't mind doing me a small favor? [22:53] that covers everything [22:53] thanks [22:53] i don't do favors [22:53] elderK, yeah, i got wine installed [22:53] (Since, you'll likely have fnt2bdf) [22:53] elderK: I have plenty of wine installed in my belly at the moment. [22:54] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:54] caoliver probably has wine installed in his stomach :) [22:54] Would you mind converting a Window's .fon to a .bdf for me? [22:54] yep [22:54] Snap! [22:54] that was uncanny [22:54] hehehe caoliver. :) IT's christmas here too [22:54] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:54] elderK, how about no [22:54] :D Merrrrrry Christmas! [22:54] elderK: Okay. [22:54] he's talking to him self now [22:54] elderK: step away from the sleighbells. [22:54] lol [22:55] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:55] very soon, I shall have vodka installed in my stomach... [22:55] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [22:55] Ouch! [22:55] yosi: any reason why? [22:55] elderK, cause i'm a lazy bastard [22:55] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [22:56] not "ouch", I like it, and it doesn't make me ill unless I do something stupid (try to drink a whole fifth single-handedly maybe) [22:56] I'm a vodka man too. [22:56] lol,Urchlay ..... the Keith Richards diet..:D [22:56] My brain was raped by vodka a long time ago. [22:57] vodka is very democratic... [22:57] goes with everything [22:57] vodka is the new black? [22:57] nevermind... [22:58] spiko (n=spiko@89-212-66-54.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:58] One vodka, two vodka, three vodka, floor... Doesn't quite have the right ring though. [22:59] caoliver: I'd drink wine, but I couldn't become a wine connosieur (spelling?), palate is shot from too many years of smoking cigs and eating nuclear-hot mexican food and such [22:59] I can tell wine from motor oil, but not good wine from bad... unless it's *really* bad [22:59] I like my little bit of heat, but the stomach and gut bothers me if I overdo the peppers. [22:59] Action: Urchlay has an iron stomach [23:00] well, eh, unless you punch me in it, then it feels like a pillow [23:00] I used to, but the passage of time has relieved me of that burden. [23:00] lol at shonudo [23:00] :P [23:00] know a guy who talks about beer the way serious wine people talk about wine [23:01] Gawd but I'm sounding like an old man. [23:01] (actually there are 2 or 3 such beer experts in this very channel) [23:01] I can sorta do that. [23:02] Urchlay kinda like that other Michael Jackson...just read a few of his books that he printed before his death [23:02] My like of Lagunitas Olde Gnarly Wine and Cappucino Stout probably diqualifies me as a conoisseur. [23:03] s/diq/disq/ [23:03] I know I like darker beer, and can sorta tell the difference between e.g. pale ale and a stout, just by flavor... but am by no means an expert (good thing, too, it means I can be satisfied with beer that's $8/sixpack instead of $10 or $12) [23:04] i'm like that with cigarette tobacco [23:04] Not a pale ale guy here. [23:04] Don't do tobacco. [23:04] i'm actually a handrolling connoisseur of sorts [23:04] well, my favorite brand is peter stokkebye [23:04] neat [23:05] norwegian shag [23:05] good blend [23:05] MLanden, damn good blend [23:05] used to smoke handrolled native american spirit, dunno how that rates on your scale, but it beats the pants off anything you get from marlboro or camel [23:06] Urchlay, RJ Reynolds sells trash [23:06] Action: Alan_Hicks chews hand-pinched Red Man which beats this shit outta smokin' any day. [23:06] Urchlay: Where are ya from? [23:06] Urchlay, so does brown and williamson [23:06] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:07] http://www.nielshorn.net/slackware/slack_versions.php [23:07] as far as prepackaged cigarettes, camel nonfilter(which is a different blend than any other camels) is the best, but when you get into handrolling, even camel is trash [23:07] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:08] Alan_Hicks: the 'burbs near Atlanta [23:08] Urchlay: Yeungling Black & Tan. [23:08] never got into chewing or dipping, know some guys who do [23:08] The roads are probably passable there. [23:08] Urchlay, american spirit is ok... [23:08] $6.xx/sixpack and good shit. [23:08] yuengling is a whole lot better than everything else in that price range, for sure [23:08] And if you can't tell the difference between a pale ale and a stout by flavor alone, then you're really bad off. [23:09] Urchlay, but there are hookah blends that beat it...and drum/bugler turkish beat those [23:09] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [23:09] Action: Alan_Hicks is a little bit of a beer conniseur. [23:09] Alan_Hicks: well I haven't really paid attention to the labels, when drinking... someone goes "try this beer", I try it, and I go "mmm, good", but it never occurs to me to look & see what kind it is [23:10] i don't like beer [23:10] usually drink Newcastle at bars [23:10] at all [23:10] or Yuengling if it's a low-rent place that doesn't have imports at all [23:10] i'll be happy with scotch on rocks, scotch/coke, rum/coke [23:10] I tend to grab something that looks interesting when I;m out and about. Got four bottles of Harviestown Olde Engine Oil earlier this afternoon. [23:10] Porter/Stout beers (and Extra Stout like Guiness) are brewed with roasted hops that gives the beer a rich, smooth texture with a hint of chocolate or coffee. [23:11] yosi: [shudder] [23:11] I rate Yeungling up there with any import. I wish we could get the Yeungling Porter here in GA. [23:11] yah, like that Mackenson stuff my old drummer bought. Too much chocolate for my taste... [23:11] coffee and irish cream or kaluah [23:11] Alan_Hicks: hey, where you at in GA? [23:12] Urchlay: Give Smitchwick's a try. It's a crisp ale brewed by the same people that make Guiness. [23:12] Urchlay: Lizella. [23:12] Urchlay: Last I had Mackeson triple, it struck me as WAY over the top sweet. I used to like it. [23:12] It's less bitter than say... Sam Adams. Almost reminds me of apple cider in a way. [23:12] Funky! [23:12] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:13] sorta close to Macon? (closer than you are to ATL anyway?) [23:13] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:13] Urchlay: Yeah. Go to Macon, then head straight out into the swamp on the west, slam on brakes, and you'll be in downtown Lizella, Jaw-Juh. [23:13] banjo-land [23:14] heh, I'm in Acworth, lot of my friends think I live in the sticks [23:14] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [23:14] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-80-29.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [23:15] Back before city-slickers started movin' out this way to get outta the city, our entry in the phone book was one page, and half of that page on the back. [23:15] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Connection timed out [23:16] I kinda like it, except for the next door neighbor who burns all his trash (including the plastic garbage bags, or tires, or whatever) and stinks the place up [23:16] urthwrm (n=urthwrm@124-170-224-88.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [23:16] nobody will call the cops on him because they're all "good ole boys" together [23:16] You don't burn your trash? [23:16] not the part that causes toxic fumes, no [23:16] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] dios_mio (n=test@88.243.7.93) joined ##slackware. [23:16] You miss out on the fun that way. [23:17] My sister ain't got no choice but to burn it all. [23:17] hello slack brothers! [23:17] I'm not being a hippie or anything, but the stink of burning plastic does give me a headache [23:17] They ain't got a dump. [23:17] We have a no-burn ordinance here, but I have the darkroom for my stench needs. [23:17] Urchlay: it is poisonous [23:17] dios_mio: I know [23:17] why burn plasstic? [23:17] dios_mio: What else are ya gonna do with it? [23:18] throw it away? [23:18] Where? [23:18] dios_mio: because he doesn't want to take it to the dump? (they charge by weight there, it's not very expensive though) [23:18] trash can obviously lol [23:18] oh I see [23:18] Not all of us have trash pickup. [23:18] And not all of us who don't have trash pickup have access to a dump. [23:19] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [23:21] i got lost in lizella once [23:22] i stopped the truck, came down out of the cab and asked the first person i saw: "where the hell am i?" [23:23] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.55.153) left irc: "Leaving" [23:28] latemus (n=m@c-98-202-186-138.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:29] corey2 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:32] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:34] Alan_Hicks: are you familiar with an fglrx issue affecting the ati driver 9-12, kernel 2.6.29.6-smp (stock), and a fresh install? gfx card is radeon hd sapphire 5770. Asking you directly because google has little info on it and i've hit up quite a few of the older regulars, and it's kind of a mystery. [23:35] Action: dartmouth grovels and kisses feet [23:36] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:37] maduser (n=kevin@pool-74-101-156-251.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:37] here's the seasons to be jolly la la la la la la la la la! [23:38] we wish you a hare krishna, we wish you a hare krishna, we wish you a hare krishna [23:38] and a sun myung moon! [23:39] hehe [23:40] rather have a Soleil Moon Frye...but to each their own...:D [23:41] dios_mio (n=test@88.243.7.93) left irc: "leaving" [23:42] zhouguoqiang (n=zhouguoq@124.207.144.194) joined ##slackware. [23:44] quit [23:44] zhouguoqiang (n=zhouguoq@124.207.144.194) left irc: Client Quit [23:44] j0z_ (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [23:45] j0z- (n=j0z@187.58.247.64) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:45] logickills (n=logickil@ip98-162-196-98.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:45] Anyone up? [23:47] yah [23:47] smzz (n=zhouguoq@124.207.144.194) joined ##slackware. [23:48] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.194.166) joined ##slackware. [23:48] what's up? [23:49] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-72-82-76-165.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:50] why does the kernel in testing need an initrd? [23:51] because Pat build it as a generic kernel, and those always need an initrd [23:52] So I was installing Slackware 13 on my compaq presario cq60-212us and I get through everything okay until I try to start X [23:53] it tells me no screens found. [23:53] I have figured out that my video card isn't supported (NVIDIA GeForce 8200M Video Card) [23:53] Trying to find a work around for it :/ [23:56] What is not supported about it? [23:57] No idea. I was browsing around for the same error and it looks like it usually means the card is not supported [23:57] So I guess it not being supported was just an assumption [23:57] logickills, did you edit an xorg.conf for it [23:57] ?? [23:58] What have you done that has lead you to the unsupported conclusion? [23:58] This just happened like 10 minutes ago and I am in the process of doing research [23:58] load the nvidia drivers and edit the xorg.conf -- should work [23:59] it sure looks like it is supported to me http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_190.53.html [23:59] "no screens found" means the conf file isn't edited properly [00:00] --- Fri Dec 25 2009