[00:00] can i have dropbox on slackware? [00:01] it works with nautlius [00:03] Action: byteframe wonders how these *.meta files get into his local slackware mirror. [00:03] StonedSlacker: I am "cloning" my entire drive with dd if=/dev/sda4 of=/home/sda4. This command creates a file named sda4 in my home directory and copies everything from /dev/sda4 in it. [00:04] Be carefull with dd not to mess up the if and of [00:04] if you mess them up you will destroy your hdd's content [00:04] TheNexT (thenext@c-68-81-156-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:04] It goes smooth for now [00:05] file /home/sda4 [00:05] /home/sda4: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (large files) [00:05] Dont know if the resulting file will be usable for restoration though [00:05] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] If you wait a bit more I'll wipe my /dev/sda4 and try to restore it from the file and see what happens. [00:06] Axtroz: I'm down with some testing, I'm doing a little house cleaning at this very minute. I'll give that dd trick a try in a few minutes. How would you restore that into a working install? [00:07] Word [00:07] v4nelle (~van@79.103.136.171.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:07] dd if=/path/to/file of=/dev/drive_to_fill_up [00:07] but like i said [00:07] i have no idea if thiss will work [00:07] it may result in destroying the whole drive information [00:08] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:08] I was asking for this a while ago but noone seemed to know/respond :) [00:09] PathagenX (~pathagenx@125-238-63-199.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [00:10] Axtroz, I've been using CloneZilla for a while - bootble CD which creates an image of a partition (or entire disk)... not too bad for my purposes. [00:11] I'm reading this [00:11] http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Dd#Disk_Backup [00:11] Especially good when messing around with kernel re-compiles, cause although I've been using slackware for 10 years, I'm still a n00b. ;] [00:11] It seems it is for this particular reason but you shouldn't touch the size of the partition [00:12] How may I tie rdesktop to my menu in xfce? [00:12] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:13] butterball, you mean a shortcut from your menu? [00:13] butterball: Not sure but you could try making a .desktop file for it and putting it in ~/.local/share/applications/ [00:13] yes [00:14] That [00:14] ty [00:14] 's the way I'm populating my KDE menu with icons :) [00:14] joannis (~joannis@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:16] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: router reboot, brb [00:17] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [00:18] tavl (~tavl@189.70.213.146) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:18] StonedSlacker: You can even mount the resulting image and access the files [00:19] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:20] PathagenX (~pathagenx@125-238-63-199.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:21] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:22] Axtroz: I'm still getting there. I can't wait to try it. [00:23] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [00:25] Yeah I'm currently browsing my Zenwalk drive I just cloned. Mounted it with mount -o loop, ro /home/sda4 /mnt/hdd [00:26] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:26] It mounted with no errors and I even launched some apps from a chrooted enviroment [00:27] TheNexT (thenext@c-68-81-156-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:27] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:30] StonedSlacker: This could come in handy http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/learn-the-dd-command-362506/ [00:31] Axtroz: You are the muther fuxxing man! [00:31] xD [00:34] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:36] Creating the image [00:36] Action: StonedSlacker anxiously sits with anxiety [00:36] Chameleon (Chameleon@CPE0016179aa1df-CM00122540797c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:36] If you haven read it, you can monitor progress by sending a USR1 signal to dd [00:36] :) [00:37] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:38] I havent read it yet, I bookmarked it. It will be my educational reading for tonight as soon as I get to a 'stopping' point of some kind [00:38] well u could figure out how much you'll wait [00:38] just get a ps ax | grep dd [00:38] to see the PID and then [00:39] kill -USR1 dd_pid [00:39] dd will spit out information on how much it copied until now and the speed [00:39] and continue working [00:41] 26.9 Mb/s nearly 8 gigs copied. [00:42] I should have unmounted my documents partition before I started [00:43] Damn it... I was hoping I can blank a CD-RW with this [00:43] dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sr0 [00:43] 0+0 records in [00:43] 0+0 records out [00:43] Channel flood from Axtroz -- kicking [00:43] 0 bytes (0 B) copied, 3.036e-05 s, 0.0 kB/s :S [00:43] Axtroz kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [00:43] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:44] brokedown_ (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [00:44] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [00:44] oops, I should be carefull with copy-pasting... :) [00:44] last I checked, blanking a cdrw takes a couple of extra steps - try using k3b and see if it blanks [00:44] yeah you can't blank with dd [00:44] mayday_jay (~mayday_ja@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [00:45] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Quit: 42 [00:46] Action: nix_chix0r blanks dive [00:46] I dont know if I have a hardware problem or a software problem... If i burn with speed greater than 2 for a DVD and greater than 4 for a CD it simply hangs and dmesg starts spitting strange messages [00:46] no matter if i use k3b or cdrecord [00:46] Action: dive kicks nix_chix0r [00:47] but no matter, I have to get my laptop to a routine cleaning so it doesn't bother me that much... [00:47] :) [00:47] Axtroz, were you able to upgrade the firmware to that burner? [00:48] It appears to have worked, thanks for the trick Axtroz! [00:49] StonedSlacker: No problem, hope if you need any restoration it'll go as smooth as the image creation was. Though, you can always mount it up and copy your files :) [00:50] MLaden: I never tried that tbh [00:50] Axtroz, ok [00:50] Im gonna give clonezilla a try too [00:51] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:54] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [00:55] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [00:58] PathagenX (~PathagenX@125-238-63-199.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [01:00] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:10] Rat409 (rat@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("="). [01:11] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:14] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:17] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [01:18] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:19] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Deuces. [01:21] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [01:23] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@p3m/member/epoch expired. [01:23] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [01:23] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:23] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [01:24] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:26] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:26] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [01:32] what gui or interface is used for rdesktop in kde for slackware? [01:33] I'm able to use rdesktop but do not have the "start page" or "history" everything is commandline to start it up. [01:34] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.209.212) joined ##slackware. [01:35] what is the name of the executable file for KDiskFree? [01:36] alraedygone: kdf [01:36] thanks Axtroz [01:36] np and sorry about the typo [01:37] :) no worries [01:39] StonedSlacker, If you do use clonezilla ... I backup partitions, rather than the entire disk. (So I don't have to restore /home tomorrow if I balls up the kernel or libraries or something) [01:41] in Application.desktop under Exec= is this where I pass options for the application? I have a string and it seems to do nothing.. the application does not startup [01:41] PathagenX (~PathagenX@125-238-63-199.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:41] butterball, tried using the kde menu editor? [01:41] useing xfce [01:41] dive: he's not using kde [01:42] aha [01:42] :) [01:42] Action: SlashQuit closes his kdemenu editor. [01:42] butterball: you could try writing a shell script to launch your app and use that in the launcher instead. [01:42] Axtroz: ty I didn't think of that :) [01:43] butterball: i've noticed that xfce has some issues with launching .desktop files [01:43] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [01:43] this is my first time with it [01:43] for instance to get cyrrilic in my WoW, my launcher goes like Exec=LANG=bg_BG wine Wow.exe -opengl [01:43] butterball, I think you should just put args after the command [01:44] KDE launches it fine, but xfce opens it up with the text editor [01:44] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:44] also the Path= is being ignored by xfce [01:44] butterball, what command are you trying to make? [01:44] jhw_ (~jhw@p5B3E3468.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:44] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E3468.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [01:44] Exec=rdesktop -g 1024x768 -T CRM -0 2 192.168.1.25 %u [01:45] that's a console app, right? [01:45] well that looks like it should work [01:45] It wouldnt work [01:45] It will send it working in the background [01:45] it opens a rdp to a window box ok [01:45] If there's a tick "open in terminal" [01:45] use it [01:46] the problem I have atm is i can only run it from a term and then it opens the window [01:46] or xterm -e 'command line' [01:46] I've still not found the nice gui that kde use's when it opens to give options for vnc rdp or the history [01:46] so it's not terminal [01:47] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:47] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:48] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [01:49] when I press Up/Down/Left/Right/PgDn/PgUp keys the cursor it moves at site, how to turn off that? the default is the to move the active page to Up/Down/... [01:49] (in firefox) [01:52] fixed [01:52] removing the %f allow's it to work.. but I have to have the ip set in it. [01:52] https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/forum/1/584354?s=3.6 (btw in Linux and not as howto says) [01:52] gintek (~gintek@int218.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [01:52] Axius (~fd@92.82.85.45) joined ##slackware. [01:53] powtrix, laptop or desktop? [01:53] butterball: what %f ? [01:53] desk [01:53] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.209.212) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:53] unticked the opts above [01:54] powtrix, ok...thanks for the link [01:55] Axtroz: I copied a few .desktop files and changed them to make rdesdtop work. %u worked but %f stoped it [01:57] giuppy (~giuppy@host95-168-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [01:58] butterball: hang on, I'm up to something :P [02:00] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:03] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [02:05] john_dee (~id@95-29-190-80.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:05] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [02:07] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 3814, sources date: 20091222, built on: 2010-01-09 17:48:42 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [02:08] butterball: can you give me the full syntax to launch rdesktop ? [02:08] rdesktop -g 1024x768 -0 192.168.1.200 [02:08] rdesktop ad.dr.re.ss [02:11] mattalexx (~mattalexx@pdpc/supporter/active/mattalexx) joined ##slackware. [02:12] It's so funny. I just read at distrowatch that Slackware was extremely stable, but I always thought it was a bleeding edge distro like Gentoo. Crazy [02:12] I must be confusing it with Arch or something [02:13] mattalexx: I've tried most commonly spread distros; when it comes to stability, nothing compares to Slack :) [02:13] or a fantasy :) [02:14] butterball: wanna try out something? [02:14] sure [02:14] http://pastebin.com/9QiX1LV8 [02:14] save this as rdestkop.sh or whatever [02:14] give it executable permissions (chmod +x rdesktop.sh) [02:14] then in your launcher [02:15] Exec=xterm -e "/path/to/rdesktop.sh" [02:15] and give it a try [02:15] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [02:16] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:17] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-125-201.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:17] Any idea why KdiskFree doesnt know what type two of my partitions are? I formated both of them manually using mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdax. Also one, 10 gigs inn size, shows as empty besides lost+found but df reports it as 6.8% in use, wtf? [02:18] 6.8% <-- could this be the reserved blocks for the superuser? [02:18] That's a lot, isn't it? [02:18] StonedSlacker, it might have the wrong type selected [02:19] try removing the reserved space with tune2fs [02:19] and see df's report again [02:19] Axtroz: as soon as it pop's up it close's out [02:19] Camarade_Tux: please PM me when you get a chance, flamel is giving me some trouble [02:19] does anyone knows hoe can i modify workspaces names to be persistent? some of them get renamed as Workspace after reboot. not all, just some [02:19] butterball: Hm, something is going wrong, lemme recheck [02:20] Whoops, my bad. KDiskFree says 6.8% in use, df says 2% in use. [02:20] How exactly do I use tune2fs? [02:20] butterball: could you run rdesktop.sh from an opened Terminal [02:20] man tune2fs and tune2fs --help :P [02:20] Screw it I'm just gonna type it in and see if smoke starts coming from anywhere [02:20] say's rdesktop not found [02:21] funny [02:21] you know the path to rdesktop ? [02:21] looking [02:21] run which rdesktop [02:21] see what it'll spit out [02:22] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:23] butterball: anything? [02:23] put the path for rdesktop in [02:23] it ased for the ip [02:23] then line 17 error [02:24] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [02:24] line 17 ? [02:24] My script's got only 10 lines [02:25] http://www.pastebin.org/96335 [02:25] that's the output [02:26] mohaa (~nome@92.49.78.161) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:26] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:26] tell me where's your rdesktop executable [02:26] /usr/bin/rdesktop [02:26] ? [02:26] i have some txt files that appeared ok in ubuntu and windows but in slack every letter has spaces between them [02:26] how do i correct that? maybe it's the encoding? [02:26] or the font? [02:27] utf2 or utf16 [02:27] Axtroz: that is the correct path, also had whitespace.. took it out.. now error line 10 [02:27] wait [02:27] see recode.1 [02:27] run file.1 on that file ax [02:27] oops, to azeo [02:28] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [02:28] butterball: here, this should work [02:28] http://pastebin.com/8GkRgy4r [02:29] try it from an opened terminal first [02:29] if it works then you can put it in a launcher with xterm -e or Terminal -e (if xfce terminal supports it" [02:29] for me xterm has problems when backspacing to correct input, gives me a ^H instead of deleting the last char [02:30] Azeotrope refrase: use file to identify charset, then recode.1 to change charset. [02:31] SunTzu: I can't find utf2 or utf16 in my save file as... [02:31] Axtroz: perfect :) [02:31] Not quite [02:32] Just a sec, I'll improve it a bit :P [02:32] hehe [02:32] ty [02:32] Azeotrope misparse; rewrite? [02:32] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:32] E1 at `in my save file' [02:32] Azeotrope did you run file on text? [02:33] file.1 [02:33] i'll do it now [02:33] k [02:34] is that a terminal command? i dont have it [02:34] butterball: here's the final version: http://pastebin.com/u5wrkqVM [02:34] It has a set of default arguments if you don't supply any [02:34] the default arguments are -g 1024x768 -0 [02:35] you dont know the proper way to specify a command by it's section number? file.1 ~= cmdname[.]man-section [02:35] the cmdname is file; it's in section 1 [02:35] usually in usr/bin [02:35] that's in case you wish to supply some different args... If you want none just type a space, if you want the standard press enter for standard ones :) [02:36] expl0it (~tester@58.47.114.35) joined ##slackware. [02:36] Axtroz: TY! [02:36] More than welcome :) [02:37] SunTzu: filechei.txt: UTF-8 Unicode text, with very long lines [02:37] Azeotrope and you said that there are pseudo-spaces between the visible chars? [02:38] SunTzu: it was Little-endian UTF-16 Unicode text, with CRLF, LF line terminators but i did a save as Unicode [02:38] those spaces still appear [02:38] yea i was gonna call BS on file's output :) [02:38] utf8 doesnt have redundant spacing. [02:38] that's like M# file-writing app [02:39] learn recode.1 [02:39] Axius (~fd@92.82.85.45) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:39] or find editor/wp that can handle utf2 [02:40] Azeotrope: Do you have spaces between ALL the characters? [02:40] 1 space between [02:40] most likely a null char [02:40] high nullbyte [02:41] Axius (~fd@92.82.85.45) joined ##slackware. [02:41] I mean if he has spaces like this: This is a text --> T h i s i s a t e x t [02:41] right but the "space" is actually a null byte [02:41] it would preceed the visible char [02:41] so s/\000/_/g, _T_h_i_s [02:42] I dont think the problem is that complicated, let's try a simpler approach first :) [02:42] Yes, spaces between all chars [02:42] including spaces [02:42] Azeo [02:42] try [02:42] cat textfile.txt [02:42] in a console [02:42] not spaces; but 16bit values with null high byte [02:42] and tell us if you still have spaces [02:43] mohaa (~nome@92.49.78.161) joined ##slackware. [02:44] Axtroz: no spaces but the special chars i have appear malformed. [02:44] That's normal [02:44] use od.1 to see raw content | less [02:44] I still think it's a font issue. [02:44] cat simply displays the contents of a text file in the console [02:45] but it's cooked output [02:45] your special chars are not supported by the console font and they appear malformed [02:45] you could simply try to switch your text editor's font [02:45] SunTzu: only numbers in the output. decimal? [02:46] Axtroz: any suggestion on what i should choose? [02:46] not sure; review od manpage [02:46] try DejaVu Sans [02:46] keep away from Monospace and other Mono fonts [02:46] they are fixedwidth so they'll appear strange [02:46] it's just a suggestion, but it wont hurt if we try :) [02:50] I tried manuy fonts and still the same problem. No special chars and many spaces [02:50] hmm okay [02:50] is the console set to unicode? [02:50] try the following in a console [02:50] cat file | tr -d $'\0' > newfile [02:51] recoding is better and safer [02:51] slava_dp was faster than me :) [02:51] lol [02:51] StonedSlacker (1000@cpe-024-074-031-049.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:51] i'm still waiting for an actual recode to happen. [02:51] slava_dp: stil the same output [02:52] but the app-author wants the file as is? [02:53] iComa (~icoma@121.145.184.212) joined ##slackware. [02:54] Emeau (~Emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-75-240.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:54] i want it as it used to be. viewable. readable [02:57] Azeotrope, which editor are you using? And have you tried any others? [02:58] dive: kate and write show it the same. i also have other files that appear w-o spaces but the special chars are malformed. [02:58] what special chars? [02:58] romanian keyboard [02:59] i wouldnt call those special [02:59] time to use recode [02:59] how [03:00] pls read its manpage [03:00] it's not simple but it is very flexible. [03:02] Azeotrope, also, what does file command say it is? [03:02] man recode [03:02] No manual entry for recode [03:02] epic... [03:02] http://linux.die.net/man/1/recode [03:02] dive: UTF-8 Unicode text, with CRLF, LF line terminators [03:03] that's wrong output [03:03] we now it's 16bit [03:03] know [03:03] Axtroz, i have a man for recode. you on slackware? :) [03:03] I just posted the link to the online manpage for recode [03:03] afk [03:03] Yup, Slackware-current [03:03] however, I don't have recode on stock slackware64 that I can see [03:04] oops. recode-3.6-i486-2_SBo [03:04] :> [03:04] i installed it with sbopkg [03:04] hey guys, if I mount a cifs filesystem, how do i specify user permisions? [03:04] man cifs ? [03:05] mohaa (~nome@92.49.78.161) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:05] No manual entry for cifs [03:05] man mount.cifs sorry [03:07] thanks, -o uid=zux was what i needed [03:08] np [03:09] morning guys! i have a job interview and exam today! o.0 [03:10] MadneX (~MadneX@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:10] Azeotrope: If i make a file with text that has an extra space surrounding each character, i can cut them of with cat test.txt | cut -c 1,3,5,7,9,11,etc... [03:10] phrag: Hey, Good morning! Wish you luck today [03:13] Wiseguy (wiseguy@default-ip-gblx.shellfusion.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:13] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-125-201.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:13] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [03:13] john_dee (~id@95-29-190-80.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [03:15] Azeotrope, try vim +':set encoding=utf-16' filename.txt [03:15] if you know vim [03:16] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:16] hey phrag, good luck with both the interview and exam. :) [03:16] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:17] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-217.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:18] dive: i don't know vim [03:18] "vi improved" - but the basics are the same [03:19] then try gvim [03:19] it's a bit easier to get out of ;-) [03:28] gavin__ (~48947694@gateway/web/freenode/x-baoduxxmfubkpvop) joined ##slackware. [03:29] Axius (~fd@92.82.85.45) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [03:30] Reaver2 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [03:30] lol dive [03:30] "Spam. And windows spam at that. Not very clever." [03:30] xD [03:31] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:31] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [03:31] Axtroz, true though [03:31] dive, what spam? [03:32] Yep. [03:32] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423886.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:32] MLanden, someone posted a Windows audio app on LQ [03:32] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/how-to-capture-streaming-audio-631536/#post3874476 [03:34] What are things I should know before installing Slackware? [03:35] gavin__, read slackbook link in /topic [03:35] dive, lol....definitely [03:36] alright. Thanks. :) [03:37] john_dee (~id@95-29-190-80.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:38] gavin__, it's also on the install dvd if you need it [03:40] hackedhead_ (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [03:40] fiyawerx (~fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:40] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:41] I don't need to really know the basic or baby stuff. I mean, is there anything I REALLY need to know? [03:41] whihc slackware package does diff come with? [03:41] Is it much harder than an Arch install? [03:42] slackware install is easier than Arch isntall imo [03:42] Oh okay. Good :) [03:43] Just didn't want to run into any major complications. [03:44] toastytoast: "grep bin/diff /var/log/packages/*" [03:44] no it wasn't isntalled i did slackpkg search diff found it [03:45] I think my brother is downloading a ton of crap, so slackware is downloading at 15 kbp/s [03:45] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:45] installed* [03:45] i think i'll go hit him. [03:46] yeah put his priorities straight ;-) [03:46] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:49] Is Slackware really fast? [03:49] Maybe I should stop asking questions and see for myself. ;) [03:49] can be [03:50] depends on the usal stuff - which DE you use, hardware etc [03:50] zounds (~zounds@80.85.119.158) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:51] But I mean, what are the advantages of using Slackware? [03:51] simplicity in design [03:51] gavin__ slackware will NEVER tell you what to do with your system :) [03:52] zounds (~zounds@80.85.119.158) joined ##slackware. [03:52] and wont make you choke on dozens of useless software which you dont need and dont even know what are for [03:52] you know exactly what's running [03:52] Ahh. I'm so confused. So whats the difference in a Debian Minimal, or Arch install? [03:53] Sorry if I'm becoming a pest. [03:53] I've never used debian minimal or Arch [03:53] but afaik debian has dependancy trackings with apt [03:54] gavin__, they might be settings for those distros for an X-less system [03:54] this might sound strange but i HATE dependency checks [03:54] I should probably install Slackware in a VB first. [03:55] I've once stumbled on this though in a screenshot around the web, but Slackware is "Everything you need, nothing you don't. It's all about control." [03:55] but then i wont be able to see how it would run on mystem. [03:55] it's very stable too [03:55] The most stable distro I've seen [03:55] Stability is key. [03:55] and used :) [03:55] and unlike debain it has packages that are newer than 2000 [03:55] and if you stay away from kde's trunk you'll be happy :D [03:56] :p [03:56] I'm a Gnome guy, [03:56] Slackware is not a "minimal" system gavin__ - if anything, it is a fullblown server as well as desktop distro [03:56] no gnome in slack [03:56] Slack doesnt have gnome... :S [03:56] though Xfce is really nice [03:56] in that case you'll need this http://gnomeslackbuild.org/ [03:56] http://gnomeslackbuild.org/ [03:56] lol. [03:56] if you absolutly msut have gnome [03:56] plenty of choice for desktops anyway [03:56] we posted at the same time. :P [03:56] Nah, KDE4 really shines - spend some effort exploring its possibilities [03:56] yes KDE4.4 is awesome [03:57] though I am getting some recent dolphin crashes [03:57] and dont know the reason but perhaps next time i'll remove virtuoso and half of nepomuk's dependencies. [03:57] KDE 4.4 had random small bugs when I tried it. [03:57] KDE simply flies when those stuff are not compiled [03:58] gavin__, using VBox as a sandbox is a good step of trying Slackware [03:59] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:59] I'll probably just go back to XFCE. [03:59] I wish it had gnome though. [03:59] i heard compiling gnome from source is hell/ [03:59] Axius (~fd@92.85.219.235) joined ##slackware. [04:00] well you have a large choice to choose from [04:00] I've attempted that some time ago [04:00] I prefer fluxbox [04:00] fluxbox ftw [04:01] right now...xfce4.6 is fairly easy in compiling...but it won't be too long until 4.8 is released needing the newer gtk+ packages [04:01] heya MLanden, how are you? [04:01] gtk+ and glib are okay... [04:02] but dont you just love apps that require GConf ? [04:02] heya,fire|bird...doin' fine...yourself? [04:02] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:02] I hate distro hopping, but I love it too. :/ I just wish I could try em all at once [04:02] MLanden: doing great, thanks. I'll be going here in a few minutes, need some sleep. 03:02 here. :) [04:02] 113 packages for gnome slackbuild? [04:02] gavin__, lol....I've got a friend with a 1TB drive almost doin' that..:P [04:03] one thing i did liek about gnome slackbuild is unlike dropline i dind't have any problem uninstalling it [04:03] :) [04:03] So is gnome slackbuild a no go? [04:03] I'm running it atm [04:03] 25/113 packages downlaoded [04:03] fire|bird, hear ya...just tryin' some weather programs ATM [04:04] erm... PulseAudio ? [04:04] That's a requirement? [04:04] MLanden: cool, finding anything worth while? [04:04] huh no gnome slackbuild is alright but dropline gnome is a no-no atleast in my experiance [04:05] fire|bird, not really...just XTide...helpful here on the east cost with conky [04:05] ill probably just resort to xfce [04:05] has anyone else heard of paldo? [04:05] MLanden: speaking of weather, have you seen that www.wunderground.com has a full screen map now? [04:06] fire|bird, yeah...real helpful with curl [04:06] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-217.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:08] gavin__, resort to kde 4. you won't regret it. [04:08] Meh. I've tried KDE 4.4, it was alright.. [04:08] I've always been more... simple? [04:12] expl0it (tester@58.47.114.35) left ##slackware. [04:15] gavin__, only trouble i'm having with gsb current is the power-manager. but downgrading it to 2.26 solved the issue for me atleast. :) [04:17] gavin__, if you need any assistance, drop me a message and i'll do what i can to help :> [04:17] Thanks kslen! :D [04:19] np ^^ [04:21] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-223-3.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:21] rv2733 (~ron@c-98-254-46-12.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:21] Emeau (~Emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-75-240.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [04:22] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:24] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [04:26] Emeau-cat (~Emeau-cat@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:26] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:26] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. 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[04:34] well, it's the distributed packets that's the concern, but you can look at several projects (bewoulf clusters, beehive clusters, for example) [04:35] NaCl: pong (regarding flamel) [04:35] I get these error after edit lilo file config: /proc/misc: No entry for device-mapper found Failure to communicate with kernel device-mapper driver. Fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/hda") What should I do to fix the problem? [04:36] I am talking mainly about those Nvidia Tesla PSCs [04:36] Axius: are you running a generic+initrd or huge kernel? [04:37] alisonken1noc: generic+initrd kernel. [04:39] ok - you have to make sure the extra modules are added to the initrd with the -m option [04:39] lvm modules and such [04:39] there should be a howto/readme on initrd+raid you should be able to find [04:42] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:43] I dont get it... how come KDE apps are so fast when not used with KDE ? [04:44] ok, thanks. [04:46] TheGroove (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:46] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [04:46] Axius (~fd@92.85.219.235) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:49] Axtroz, disable visual effects and you'll have good performance inside kde too [04:49] iComa (~icoma@121.145.184.212) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:49] eye candy is great - but only if you have accelerated video driver+card [04:52] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:52] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [04:52] Nope... without visual effects and stuff selecting multiple files in Dolphin still makes it choppy and crash sometimes [04:53] right now from the Xfce4 desktop dolphin is as smooth as it can get. 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[05:17] # One more day to go.. until i get time o-off, one more day to go.. until i get time oo-off [05:18] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:19] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [05:19] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [05:20] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Quit: Reconnecting [05:20] good morning to everybody here is 07:20 [05:20] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [05:21] good morning and it's 02:21 here [05:22] time to check the microwave, then :) [05:22] alisonken1home, looks like a few of the irc servers are set a few minutes fast [05:22] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-52-194.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [05:23] my client only shows local time, so don't know about the servers [05:23] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Client Quit [05:23] anthony.freenode.net is fine :) [05:23] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-88-77.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:25] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-107-7.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:26] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [05:26] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:26] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [05:26] might be just a glitch from gibson.freenode.net [05:30] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) left irc: Quit: Gone Indefinitely [05:31] Dominu_ (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:32] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:38] does anyone have an idea why I get different results when looking for locales if I run from an install disc chroot or from the live system? [05:39] install disk has minimal locale settings on it, but full install has everything + kitchen sink in it [05:42] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [05:43] alisonken1noc: I chroot from the install disc, that's the odd part [05:43] install disc "chroot /mnt" -> it works as expected [05:44] live system (the one in install disc /mnt) -> weird errors I'm trying to sort out [05:47] anybody knows where is it configured, that the default root account has colors in bash and the default users account doesn't have them [05:48] zux1wrk, can be in /etc/profile or .bashrc most likely .bashrc [05:48] or .profile [05:48] nop, by default in slackware there is no .bashrc [05:48] i'll look at profile [05:49] actually the correct answer is: [05:49] ther is no /root/.profile [05:49] read "man bash" and the section on invocation. [05:49] well yeah, i know how to do it [05:49] but at this moment, i want to copy the exact settings from the root profile, to the users [05:49] CaptChron (~CaptChron@host-72-174-13-61.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net) joined ##slackware. [05:50] .. well based on your question and statements somehow I cincerly doubt that. [05:50] BP{k}, i don't want to think about how to write the conf to have the exact same behavior that root already has [05:51] it would be easier to just copy that stuff... [05:51] there is nothing to copy. [05:51] there is something to copy or edit [05:51] otherwise the default bash would look the same on root account [05:51] no, the problem is that your user is probably starting a nonlogin shell while root is having a login shell [05:52] hmm [05:52] maybe [05:52] zux1wrk, cat ~/.bashrc | grep ls [05:52] but you already understood that part .. right? after all you didn't need to read the man page [05:53] BP{k}, still, there is a setting, that makes the login shell look like it does [05:53] zux1wrk, if you want to copy the exact settings back ~/.bashrc then copy over /root/.bashrc to the user [05:53] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:53] oobe: over usage of cat ;) [05:53] oobe, there ir no .bashrc byu default [05:53] ok well i have my systsem setup differently [05:53] it is probably in /etc/profile [05:53] then [05:54] ok, i'll try to find it [05:54] zux1wrk: tell me since you know .. what is the order of startup files on a bash login shell? [05:54] if i remember correctly, if it's a login shell, .bash_profile gets executed, and if it's a nonlogin then .bashrc [05:54] or the other way [05:55] zux1wrk, either way if you want color this line is what makes it in ~/.bashrc alias ls='ls --color=auto' [05:55] BP{k}, i don't remember exactly [05:55] zux1wrk: guess whatr? ... there is a whole section in bash devoted to that :P [05:55] i know, i've read that... [05:56] damn the matrix was reconfigured .. :| [05:56] just look at what files are in /root too with ls -a [05:57] ok, i'll put it this way, i want nonlogin shell to look and feel exactly like the login shell, and i know there are several places this can be writen [05:57] zux1wrk: Probably the easiest way "source /etc/profile" in .bashrc [05:58] so BP{k} my question was, can anyone tell the exact place where it's written in slackware, so i wouldn't have to read all of them... [05:58] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:58] zux, but why? just run it as bash -l and get a login shell. [05:58] zux (~zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:58] peacenik (~cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:59] BP{k}, thanks, that is a good advice, i'll probably do that [05:59] zux1wrk, login shell gets all the whistles from /etc/profile and /etc/profile.d/* [05:59] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [05:59] hmm [05:59] slava_dp: some people obviously cba to learn / read :\ [06:00] hmm, xfce terminal has an option called "Run command as login shell" [06:00] oh dear! I wonder what that would mean! [06:01] oh, really? seriously? :D [06:02] guess you'll never know [06:07] well considering I am using XFCE, I guess I already do. [06:08] zux1wrk: it would probably have helped if you had told us that this was an xfce terminal `problem'. [06:09] Kaapa (~Something@bl11-118-28.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:09] anyway, afk for now [06:10] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [06:11] peacenik (~cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [06:11] BP{k}, the terminal was just one of the possible fixes [06:12] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:13] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Quit: Don't look back, the lemmings are gaining on you. [06:14] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [06:16] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-78-218.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:16] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:16] anybody already install one video mobile radeon hd3200 in a slack box??? i aready is triing but no success to try running compiz [06:18] SOUL_OF_R00T: compiz is not needed if running slackware 13 or -current [06:19] kde 4.2/3 has eyecandy as part of kde [06:19] the only reason you may need compiz is if you're running something like xfce instead of kde [06:20] thanks my friend i already running slack 13 in x86_64 turion [06:20] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [06:20] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [06:22] if one finds that after installing Slack13 that compiz does work..it's good to go ahead and install the rest of the programs(emerald, fusion-icon and the extras) [06:22] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [06:23] also CSM for fusion-icon [06:24] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.195.62) joined ##slackware. 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[06:53] Emeau (~Emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-116-148.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:53] Didn't CDE used to be in old slackware versions? [06:53] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [06:54] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [06:54] foobarz, i guess it got dropped [06:56] yeah, dropped... I'm just wondering why it was not any good... and what happened that caused it to die [06:58] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:58] goarilla (~goarilla@184.181-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:59] Nick change: fallen -> Guest79290 [07:00] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [07:00] Guest79290 (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:01] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-107-7.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:02] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-47-203.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:02] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:03] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [07:04] goarilla (~goarilla@27.191-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [07:07] foobarz, hmm, i've looked at filelists for different old slackware versions, i don't see a package for cde anywhere. [07:07] foobarz, you can look at ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/slackware/ yourself if you wish, if you find it, read the changelog for that release. [07:08] slack_fish (~slack_fis@59.72.110.45) left irc: Quit: ‚» [07:08] cde makes me upchuck [07:09] Action: slava_dp has never seen cde. only started slacking from 10.2 or so. [07:10] never been subjected to Solaris7 then? [07:10] Action: slava_dp learned a new word: to upchuck. [07:10] Zordrak, no solaris in my life. [07:10] lucky bastard [07:11] oh I thought slackware had CDE a long time ago... I thought I ran it, just before I got KDE 1.0 [07:12] before kde 1.0? wow..... i'm kde 3 and up, never even saw 2.x. [07:13] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [07:13] i have run just about every KDE version up to 3.5.10 i guess [07:14] anyone know a way to find region code for a dvd-rw [07:14] no big deal tho... I've never been a KDE power user... almost never changed the desktop any [07:14] dive, dvd+rw-mediainfo ? [07:15] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [07:15] hmm dosn't say region [07:15] "How does one patch KDE2 under FreeBSD?" [07:16] I think I just spent £60 on a lemon [07:16] hey how do i see which is the current DPI in my X? [07:17] tewmten, try xdpyinfo, not sure if that gives [07:17] $ xdpyinfo | grep resolution resolution: 101x101 dots per inch [07:17] cool [07:17] so i guess it's running 100dpi [07:18] i have 107x107 o_O [07:18] whatever [07:18] i need to try and make my fonts smaller [07:18] now everything is a bit too big [07:19] startx -- -dpi 75 [07:19] or xfce/kde settings too [07:19] CaptChron (~CaptChron@host-72-174-13-61.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:19] yes lets try that [07:19] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:20] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:21] alicephilippa (alice@89.194.34.236) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [07:22] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [07:23] ok great [07:23] its looks good [07:23] now i just have to make this the default [07:28] xover (~xover@host86-150-128-26.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [07:28] if i have a disk with partitions on and am not sure what they are, how can i find out/ [07:29] .. the type of FS? [07:29] fdisk -l [07:29] they say linux FS [07:29] but they do not mount [07:30] as long as you're carefull, you can also use cfdisk as root [07:30] just don't modify/save - view and quit only [07:30] Nick change: hackedhead_ -> hackedhead [07:30] the issue is that they dont mount, how do i determine the FS type. [07:31] that should tell you what the partitions are formatted as (as long as the format is known) [07:32] otherwise just "mount /dev/ ex: if drive is sd and partition is 1: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/tmp [07:32] then "mount" [07:33] ls tmp [07:33] that doesnt work [07:33] what's the error? [07:33] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:33] specifiy a filesystem type [07:33] what release of slackware are you using? [07:33] i just realised that they are PVs for LVM [07:33] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [07:33] ok - that's a different story :) [07:34] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [07:34] how can i tell that from inspecting the disk? [07:34] don't know - don't use lvm [07:35] other_rafa (rafa@shellium/member/rafa) joined ##slackware. [07:35] its the same with encrpyed disks, if you dont know that they are encryprted they will error on 'specify ds type' [07:37] alisonken1noc: have you used dmcrpyt? [07:37] cryptsetup even [07:37] nope [07:37] haven't had a need for it [07:39] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:40] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [07:43] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [07:43] guax (~guax@189.4.99.110) joined ##slackware. [07:43] guax (~guax@189.4.99.110) left irc: Changing host [07:43] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [07:45] blkid shows fs type. [07:48] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [07:49] thanks slava [07:51] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:51] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:52] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:52] nvision (~nvision@g225057128.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [07:55] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [07:57] baltimore (~OS@198.pool85-54-172.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [07:57] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [07:57] baltimore (OS@198.pool85-54-172.dynamic.orange.es) left ##slackware. [07:57] baltimore (~OS@198.pool85-54-172.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [07:59] baltimore (OS@198.pool85-54-172.dynamic.orange.es) left ##slackware. [07:59] xover (~xover@host86-150-128-26.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:01] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. 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[08:12] heya. fine, thanks :) [08:13] getting over a cold [08:13] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:13] alisonken1noc, drink lots of hot tea [08:14] slava_dp: same to me [08:15] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [08:15] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [08:15] slava_dp: does taking tea solve this? [08:16] manhunter, tea is good for your health :) [08:16] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:16] slava_dp: why? [08:16] Action: slava_dp curses [08:17] is coffee good for health? [08:18] yes [08:18] very [08:18] not being alert while driving a vehicle is bad for your health [08:18] slava_dp: my caffeine of choice is the coffee bean [08:18] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) joined ##slackware. [08:18] Emeau (~Emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-116-148.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:19] nah, coffee is a drug. tea is what makes people happy. [08:19] very cold now,should i take tea or coffee ? [08:20] Nick change: guax -> soul_of_guax [08:20] hello all [08:20] gaz- (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:20] thrice`: ? [08:21] slava_dp: ? [08:21] manhunter, gtfo please [08:21] sorry, I forgot you're a useless troll. I'm going to quit talking to you now [08:21] trying to install alien's kde packages on -current. when kde starts it still locks up [08:21] Nick change: soul_of_guax -> guax [08:21] some say tea is bad for health,kidney [08:21] idea? [08:22] slava_dp: you could not give suggestion,gtfo please [08:22] gtludwig, try running it as a new user. [08:22] manhunter, please gtfo. [08:22] coffee is also bad for kidney [08:22] !vote [08:22] slava_dp: please gtfo please [08:23] oobe (~none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [08:23] slava_dp, will do, thanks [08:23] manhunter, you'd better stop drinking then... and eating [08:23] and breathing [08:23] dive: do you take tea? [08:23] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [08:24] take tea where? [08:24] over there [08:24] for a walk? [08:24] gtludwig, also, do other DE's work for you? could be a display driver problem. [08:24] i like hot chocolate [08:24] but, then again removing old /home//.kde/ shouldn't be the same? [08:24] or maybe dive steals it [08:24] gtludwig, there are also settings in .local [08:24] slava_dp, XFCE runs ok (running it now) [08:25] ok, i am going to drink tea. [08:25] oobe (~none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [08:26] we dont care manhunter [08:26] straterra: morning [08:27] gtludwig, try making a new user and testing [08:27] and you missed our talking about you while you were asleep [08:27] :) [08:27] ha [08:27] hi, I am using slackware 13 ive installed a seperate installation of gtk2+ into /opt/gtk as an application i downloaded (wiithon) requires a newer version. Gtk has compiled fine but I cant figure out how to make wiithon reference the version of gtk in /opt/gtk it keeps telling me that my version of gtk is too old. Its obviously referencing the standard installation of gtk that came with slack [08:27] morning [08:28] dive, will try =) [08:28] gaz-, any clues in ./configure --help to point it to the gtk path? [08:28] slava_dp: please gtfo please. [08:28] useris (~useris@88.118.126.178) joined ##slackware. [08:28] Porks (~BARAD-DUR@unaffiliated/porks) joined ##slackware. [08:29] Porks (BARAD-DUR@unaffiliated/porks) left ##slackware. [08:29] dive, nope it doesnt have ./configure just a makefile which ive checked nothing standing out so assuming it may be using some symolic link or something not sure tho [08:29] sjames (~sterling@173-28-25-121.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [08:29] that's a pain then [08:30] might want to look at /etc/ld.so.conf, not sure if it's applicable [08:31] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:31] gaz: you need to set CFLAGS [08:31] or LD_PRELOAD [08:31] try saying CFLAGS="-I/opt/gtk/include" make [08:31] or wherever your gtk headers are installed beneath opt/gtk [08:31] you'all also need to set LDFLAGS="-L/opt/gtk/lib" [08:32] GooseYArd++ [08:32] octho (~octho@201.86.245.6.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:32] tatanga (~root@190.105.92.161) joined ##slackware. [08:32] or again, wherever the gtk libraries live [08:32] hi [08:32] eh? irciing as root? [08:32] repost for slack13 pls?? [08:32] Action: slava_dp looks at slackboy in awe [08:32] GooseYArd, thanks ill give that a try [08:32] i think you may be able to set some pkgconfig env vars to have it search for the gtk .pc files in an alternate location [08:33] octho (octho@201.86.245.6.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware. [08:34] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [08:34] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:34] gtk-qt-engine-kde4 ?? where there are repositories for slack13 [08:35] slava_dp++ [08:35] tatanga, here are two repositories, don't know if either contains it [08:35] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ [08:35] http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ [08:35] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [08:35] tatanga, do not use gtk-qt-engine, it will bork your system. [08:36] tatanga, use the qtcurve (or any other nice theme) and gtk-chtheme to set it, both are available from slackbuilds.org. [08:36] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.74.47) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:36] ok [08:37] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:37] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [08:38] GooseYArd: did you get my rpm comments from earlier? [08:38] i dont think so [08:38] ok tks!! [08:39] and manager network [08:39] KNetworkManager [08:39] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:39] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:39] wicd works better than knetworkmanager [08:39] use wicd [08:40] it's in /extra on the slackware dvd [08:40] tatanga: if you like Oxygen, you can also look at Oxygen-Molecule (a gtk theme that matches the look of Oxygen) [08:40] or repository [08:40] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:40] GooseYArd: lzma compression for RPMS is there, either in /usr/lib/rpm/macros or ~/.rpmmacros set "%_binary_payload w2.lzdio" [08:40] lyra_girl (~Lyra@125.38.154.240) joined ##slackware. [08:42] yah i was thinking of stealing the xz code from rpmio, since liblzma doesn't have a *zopen/read/write interface yet [08:42] but I spoke to the liblzma guy yesterday and he's got a new branch that theyre adding one to [08:42] follows using the gslapt?? [08:42] i have a bunch of zlib based code that I want to update but I dont want to have to totally change fromt he gzopen/read/write interface [08:42] gslapt is not supported in this channel [08:43] many years since I used slackware [08:43] neither is slapt-get [08:43] GooseYArd: ah ha. [08:43] gnome was dropped at version 12 [08:43] slapt-get was never supported her [08:43] here [08:44] as repositories use then? [08:44] jesus what is with the util-linux-ng guys moving shit around all over the place [08:44] kde, not gnome, is supported here [08:44] or any de that's in the default slackware [08:44] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [08:44] one repository I use is slackware.mirrors.tds.net [08:45] sjames (~sterling@173-28-25-121.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Quit: Changing server [08:45] GooseYArd: which? [08:46] sahk0: heh im making a list [08:46] :) [08:47] btw i take back my publicly expressed hatred towards the xine-lib devs for not allowing their app to build with internal ffmpeg in 1.1.7 the other day. they fixed that in 1.1.8 :) [08:47] rachael (~nnnnracha@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:48] although i think they are still shipping 0.5 but i dont care enough to..care [08:48] im just happy it will build again [08:49] File "/usr/lib/wicd/wicd-client.py", line 48, in [08:49] slackware :( [08:49] unless upcoming changes in -current involve adding ffmpeg of course [08:49] Cant seem to get this app to recognise the gtk i have in /opt. Anyone upgraded the gtk that comes with slack 13 by default with success? [08:50] tatanga: did you read the readme and notes? [08:50] you have to add your user to the netdev group, logout and log back in [08:50] gaz-: even Pat is bored to do that frequently :p (or so it seems) [08:50] gaz-, yuck, why /opt ? [08:50] user root [08:51] init[1] (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:51] lyra_girl (~Lyra@125.38.154.240) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:51] tatanga, don't use X as root, nor irc [08:51] thrice`, my originally intention was to compile it seperately for this particular application [08:51] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [08:51] the one that comes with slack13 is working fine for everything else so didnt see the point in upgrading it [08:52] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [08:52] init[1] (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [08:52] I've hit a few apps that demand newer, it's quite annoying [08:52] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [08:52] but this app not recognising the one in /opt, either that or i am not telling it correctly [08:52] thrice`, very [08:53] and -current seems to neglect it too, which is more frustrating :) [08:53] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:53] im thinking of uninstalling the one that comes with slack and just compiling it myself in the default locations [08:53] gaz-, well, you can try appending something like "LDFLAGS=-L/opt/lib" ./configure blahblah to make it search there first [08:54] thrice`, that was recommended by GooseYArd but doesnt seem to be having any of it [08:55] oh, ok - sorry. [08:55] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:55] and there's no configure [08:55] just a makefile [08:55] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [08:55] thrice`, np thanks anyway for the suggestion :) [08:55] which app? [08:55] tatanga (~root@190.105.92.161) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:56] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) joined ##slackware. [08:56] wiithon, its a tool so you can use a hard drive with the nintendo wii (I have kids :o) [08:56] gaz, the Makefile may be settign cflags/ldflags explicitly [08:56] strangely, this gtk issue is making me reconsider slack on my laptop all-together :) [08:56] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [08:56] id open it up and look for the definitions of those [08:56] gaz-: often times a makefile writer will add a hook for you, like "EXTRAINCLUDES" or "EXTRALIBS" [08:57] and you can add something like -I/opt/whatever/include or -L/opt/whatever/lib [08:57] xover (~xover@host86-150-128-26.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [08:57] if not, you can just add your own needs to cflags/ldflags [08:57] allend (~allend@CPE-121-214-41-180.lnse4.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:57] thanks for your suggestions ill have a look [08:57] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) joined ##slackware. [08:58] slava_dp, dive, no luck even with new user :( [08:58] is there a good hardware channel on this server? [08:58] i need to fix a VGA port on a laptop. wondering how risky it is to do. [08:59] Axius (~fd@92.85.217.93) joined ##slackware. [08:59] gtludwig, does it freeze up as soon as you start it? [08:59] why does wiithon have to be launchpad? it always takes me about an hour to find how to browse source on there [09:00] on bootsplash, yes [09:00] thrice`++ [09:00] gtludwig, which graphics card? [09:00] ATi Radeon 9100 [09:00] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:01] latest fglrx drivers, 10.2 [09:01] gtludwig, do you have an xorg.conf? [09:01] i have 9100 on one box too, kde 4.2.4 works fine. [09:01] hell, I use the free radeon driver. [09:01] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.15) joined ##slackware. [09:02] yeah I was going to suggest changing driver to xorg driver [09:02] Nick change: notKlaatu -> klaatu_AFK [09:02] i thought fglrx does not support radeon 9100. [09:02] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:03] Camarade_Tux: hi. Seems that findlib had to be installed separately, and once I did (and installed the lablgtk META file to /usr/lib64/ocaml/site-lib/lablgtk2), it kept on complaining about not being able to find GtkThread. [09:03] gtludwig, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change driver to 'radeon' [09:03] slava_dp, it does.. I'm on XFCE now and it works ok [09:03] GooseYArd, ive found references to cflags in another file which i believe Makefile references "CFLAGS = -O2 -Wall" and "LDFLAGS = -m32" [09:03] dive, doing that [09:03] hello [09:04] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:04] gaz-, that'll be it I thnk [09:04] gaz ah, you can try changing those [09:04] or remove xorg.conf altogether [09:04] Camarade_Tux: and changing it toGMain.Main.main() causes the program to crash resulting from an index out of bounds error. [09:04] would i just replace those values or would i need to append to them? [09:04] append [09:05] gaz-: also look in the makefiles to see where its calling pkgconfig [09:06] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) joined ##slackware. [09:06] i think that the includedir/libdir paths for gtk are most likely retrieved by called pkgconfig, so you may need to screw around with its invokation [09:06] i am not a pkgconfig guy [09:06] dive, slava_dp, with "radeon" driver KDE4.4 works [09:07] nice [09:07] should this format be correct - LDFLAGS="-m32 -L/opt/gtk/lib" CFLAGS="-O2 -Wall -I/opt/gtk/include" [09:07] but... [09:07] seems slower... [09:07] whether it works is a different matter, i cant see any references anywhere in any files to "pkg-config" [09:07] gtludwig, glxinfo | grep dir [09:07] 9100 is a shitty card. real crap... [09:08] gaz-: yep [09:08] how can it be slower than frozen? [09:08] agreed! [09:08] goes back in time? [09:08] dive, no reply [09:08] reverso desktop [09:08] :-) [09:09] gtludwig, then looks like you haven't got direct rendering [09:09] maybe its formed a blackhole and you're experiencing time dilation [09:09] indeed [09:09] s/dir/dri/ [09:09] no dri. [09:10] gtludwig, 13.0 or -current? [09:10] slackware64-current [09:10] ah ok glxinfo changed since 13.0 [09:10] I have two nutcases for my neighbors.... [09:10] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:11] gtludwig, you need to set some things up in xorg.conf to get direct rendering [09:11] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-pxersnqsjctbvlfy) joined ##slackware. [09:11] Section "DRI" mode 0666 EndSection? [09:11] gaz-: look for gtk-config [09:12] i have direct rendering on my 9100 without xorg.conf. so try. [09:12] Axius (~fd@92.85.217.93) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:13] le_prof (~prof@198.20.32.1) joined ##slackware. [09:13] GooseYArd, I think that could be very well what i need lemmie have a gander [09:14] you'll probably have a gtk-config binary in your /opt install [09:14] you might be able to get it to build just by putting /opt/gtk/whatever ahead of /usr/bin in your path [09:15] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-072-188-205.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:15] ml4711 (~morten@0x50a69862.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:16] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:16] ml4711 (~morten@0x50a69862.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:16] exos (~exos@190.18.131.156) joined ##slackware. [09:17] Nick change: klaatu_AFK -> notKlaatu [09:17] anyone who implements the installpkg here ? I mean I have idea for nice feature :) [09:18] you could allow easy allowence of installing diffrent versions of the same package ... [09:18] Pat does, and you can already do that [09:19] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:20] dive, can you throw me some pointers to my xorg.conf ? [09:20] Lyrae_girl (~Lyra@125.38.154.240) joined ##slackware. [09:20] gtludwig, first try without one as slava_dp said [09:20] i didn't allocate enough space for slackware. would it work for me to copy it to another partition and boot from slackware. I can get it to boot with grub, etc and setup fstab. but will the os still work? [09:21] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:22] adupuis (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [09:22] esom (~tester@58.47.104.159) joined ##slackware. [09:23] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:23] ok, as you are wise dudes, which ide for c++ would you advice, as the kdevelop does not sit well with me :). [09:24] vi [09:24] :) [09:24] eclipse [09:24] dive, kk... brb [09:24] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:24] *eclipse-cdt [09:24] eclipse-not [09:25] i've installed eclipse at least 4 times and have yet to open as much as a project file [09:25] vim [09:25] paul424: emacs [09:25] i can't believe how crazy an interface eclipse has [09:25] or use geany, it supposedly works. [09:25] esom (~tester@58.47.104.159) left irc: Client Quit [09:26] uhh eclipse needs about 2gb of ram which I don';t have [09:26] Skywise: you have to know how to use it [09:26] does not [09:26] apparently [09:26] i have 2GB of ram [09:26] paul424: how much ram do you have? [09:26] 1GB [09:26] i ran eclipse on 1GB before [09:26] what os you running [09:26] slackware [09:26] i know how to code, i know how to use other ides, but eclipse arcane [09:26] It depends on what your doing also [09:27] aha uhh coding + debuging uhh [09:27] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) joined ##slackware. [09:27] I had a bunch of tabs open and a bunch of header files included (indexed) and it ate quiet a lot of memory when I did that [09:28] paul424: debugging actually seems nice. rarely use it though [09:28] Action: NaCl suggests gdb [09:28] kslen^^ (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [09:29] jabuti (~work@201.12.147.168) joined ##slackware. [09:29] I gave eclipse a whirl with a project that uses boost and it came unglued when it started autoparsing the boost headers [09:29] yeap looks like the best would be if I buy another bunch of ram ... and another and another as the req of software always grows .... [09:29] so i havent bothered again [09:30] dive, if by without xorg.conf means # mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.confBackup, results are the same [09:30] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:30] came unglued .. you mean it didn't parse the headers after all [09:30] freezs or slow? [09:30] slow [09:30] paul424: it'd make it through a few hundred, then run out of ram and hang [09:30] speaking of xorg, anyone got any kung-fu to share wrt the latest intel driver in Xorg? [09:30] ok I'll pastebin my xorg.conf but it's for a much old card so whether it will be any use I've no idea [09:31] boost includes like 7000 headers though [09:31] i have had major problems with eclipse stability too.. [09:31] i wonder if theres any redundancy in that pile of headers [09:31] it just wont stay up sometimes [09:31] GooseYArd: uhh my second favourit is anjuta but I don;t know where to take the package from , or how to compile it for myself [09:32] gtludwig, http://pastebin.ca/1808133 [09:32] Skywise: i dont think so, its just a ton of packages [09:32] i was just looking for a simple tool to debug sql queries [09:33] I didn't allocate enough space for slackware. would it work for me to copy it to another partition and boot from slackware. I can get it to boot with grub, etc and setup fstab. but will the slack still still work? Is there anything I'm missing? [09:33] Skywise: mtop [09:33] a lot of boost is headers-only too, so they tend to be large [09:33] also there is a program to do it [09:33] Skywise: ah like a sql editor type of thing? [09:33] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-245.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:33] i do like eclipse that that [09:34] its nice being able to use whatever jdbc drivers you want [09:34] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:34] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [09:34] guys, why is there no automounter is slackware, is this handled by a different system? [09:35] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) joined ##slackware. [09:36] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [09:36] xover, add yourself to plugdev, ensure that hal and dbus are started. [09:36] xover: autofs IS in Slackware [09:36] xover, and you will get things automounted. [09:36] just ne rc for it but bob has one [09:36] oh, autofs. what is it even for? [09:36] unless you dont mean autofs [09:37] slava_dp: automatic mounting of nfs shares via nis maps [09:37] GooseYArd, i can't get that app to detect gtk so i am just gonna format and install ubuntu! *Joke* gonna have to spend some time figuring it out but many thanks for your assistance and the rest of you guys! [09:37] automounts anything [09:37] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:37] well true [09:37] gaz-, scary jokes [09:37] haha [09:37] you could even write a udev rule though [09:38] v4nelle (~van@79.103.136.171.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:38] mayday_jay (~mayday_ja@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:38] gaz-: good luck, Id keep banging around on your Makefile, you'll find it sooner or later [09:38] haha slava_dp :) [09:38] yeah ill figure it out, prolly a good learning experience [09:38] NaCl: ah, right, findlib is a dependency of the build system (it "helps" locate ocaml packages, resolves dependencies, orders libraries during linking...) [09:39] NaCl: the "index out of bounds" error you noticed is actually because you have to run "./flamel 10" for instance: it requires one argument, going to improve that [09:39] gaz- (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:39] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Bad BitchX, bad BitchX, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? [09:39] NaCl: I'm going to check what's going on with GtkThread [09:40] Zordrak: what launches autofs? [09:40] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [09:41] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-8PBx7isoM&feature=player_embedded [09:41] rc.autofs .. its in alienBOB's script stash [09:41] rv2733 (~ron@c-98-254-46-12.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:42] Patero-ng (~no@174-23-24-227.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Zordrak: if i want to automount cdrom, where do i do this? [09:42] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:42] Zordrak: hal and dbus are running [09:42] we're destroying Google! [09:42] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8533695.stm [09:43] my movement found ilegal activities on Google in italy HQ [09:43] does anyone know the answer to my question? [09:43] rv2733 (~ron@c-98-254-46-12.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:44] i usually flush my movements [09:44] coolkehon, it should work, so long as you do what you say and setup grub and fstab [09:44] xover, what desktop environment are you using? [09:44] and backup anything important [09:44] the link I posted is a commercial about wearing seat belt while driving... [09:44] i dont have one [09:44] rv2733 (~ron@c-98-254-46-12.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:45] Patero-ng: is there something wrong with you? How many warnings do you need before you take the hint? [09:45] gtludwig (~gtl@litio.certi.org.br) joined ##slackware. [09:45] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:46] why [09:46] gtl_ (~gtl@litio.certi.org.br) joined ##slackware. [09:47] slava_dp: where do i set my automount configuration? [09:47] gtl_ (~gtl@litio.certi.org.br) left irc: Client Quit [09:47] xover, usually you put files in /etc/ for it [09:48] auto.cd etc etc [09:48] these dont exist, so im free to just create them? [09:49] sramov (~sramov@dh207-94-20.xnet.hr) joined ##slackware. [09:50] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:51] xover, can you just install pmount and mount stuff via hal? pmount /dev/dvd /mnt/dvd [09:51] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:51] xover, iirc you need an auto.master at least, then that usually references other files like auto.cd etc [09:52] ok thanks [09:52] the man page should say [09:53] Patero-ng: when your ip address changes, if you come back and start this shit again before the ban expires, I'll kill all of *.slck.qwest.net and forward any complaints to your ISP along with your logs. [09:53] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@174-23-24-227.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [09:53] Patero-ng kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Patero-ng, you have been warned repeatedly to stop trying to spread your insanity. You're banned for 30 days. [09:54] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:55] useris (~useris@88.118.126.178) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:55] rworkman: what did I miss?! [09:55] lol [09:56] wow [09:56] only that spammy idiot [09:56] gnrp_ (~gnrp@devrandom.physik-pool.TU-Berlin.DE) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:56] rworkman, version angry [09:56] shah16 (~shah@121.246.152.157) joined ##slackware. [09:56] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:57] Hello everyone :) [09:59] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.57.187) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:59] can i install guidance power manager 4.3.4 on kde 4.4?or must i make my own guidance power manager? [10:00] rworkman: thank you! [10:02] gnrp (~gnrp@devrandom.physik-pool.TU-Berlin.DE) joined ##slackware. [10:02] 3 google execs did get convicted of not getting everyone consent before allowing a video to be posted [10:03] exos (~exos@190.18.131.156) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:03] i really don't know what the implications of that will be except that to further discredit the whole concept of judges [10:04] le_prof (prof@198.20.32.1) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:05] yup, cops ought to be enough [10:05] but this isn't the place [10:06] fiyawerx (~fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:06] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Changing host [10:06] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [10:07] www (~wrodrigue@124.124.229.181) joined ##slackware. [10:07] not that the other dude was making a coherent argument anyway [10:07] he's a pure troll [10:07] Nick change: www -> wrodrigues201 [10:09] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:10] what the hell is this? none on /proc/fs/vmblock/mountPoint type vmblock (rw) [10:11] it's displayed when command mount is entered [10:11] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [10:12] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:12] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [10:12] hah [10:12] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:12] man i must have half the channel on ignore [10:13] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.4.44) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:14] its just as easy to do it mentally [10:14] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.116.99) joined ##slackware. [10:14] GooseYArd: irc would be unbearable without the ignore function ;) [10:14] i just automatically ignore pms [10:14] everything, i just roll my eyes at [10:14] Skywise: no i cant stop myself from interjecting with wise-ass remarks if i see it [10:14] everything else [10:15] well you can think it, you don't have to type it, otherwise you're just stirring the pot [10:15] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: brb [10:15] my fingers are not wired to my judgement centers [10:15] heh [10:15] Skywise: pms: post micro$oft syndrome? ;) [10:15] its better for everyone if i just ignore [10:15] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:15] i've never known an idiot to yeild to persuasion [10:15] hehe [10:16] private messages [10:16] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [10:16] ok [10:16] gtludwig (~gtl@litio.certi.org.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:16] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [10:17] allend (~allend@CPE-121-214-41-180.lnse4.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:17] ComputerNewbie (~adsfasdf@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:18] wrodrigues201 (~wrodrigue@124.124.229.181) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:18] shah16 (~shah@121.246.152.157) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:18] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:19] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [10:19] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ...! [10:20] I need to best wiki about Slackware can any body to help me [10:20] gtludwig (~gtl@litio.certi.org.br) joined ##slackware. [10:20] bradhex (1000@c-98-193-248-168.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:20] Blue_Slacker86, /topic [10:20] You need to what? [10:21] Blue_Slacker86: slackwiki.org [10:22] so is it uncool to post a link of anything not related to Slackware *even* if it is interesting/good? [10:22] spook: tnx [10:22] Blue_Slacker86: read the topic next time. [10:22] spook, you spoonfeeder :) [10:23] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [10:23] Axius (~hi@92.85.217.93) joined ##slackware. [10:23] ikar (~ikar@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [10:23] Action: ananke wonders what 'to best' means in that context [10:23] spook: oh , tnx , sorry [10:23] alreadygone: acceptable link example: a pastebin of information relevant to a problem. example of an unacceptable link: a youtube video about spoon bending [10:24] ok [10:24] alreadygone, offtopic links -> #slackware-offtopic (where I am proudly not present) :-p [10:24] yeah, its just spam [10:24] right [10:24] :) [10:25] everyone refers to offtopic, but no one ever goes there [10:25] but it does exist, i think [10:25] i'm always there. [10:25] well at least its not going to waste [10:25] Skywise, the offtopic channel is a /dev/null to refer to for unrelated stuff :) [10:25] alreadygone: dont become another quiznos and post links to linux news every 15 minutes [10:25] heh [10:26] Skywise, ##slackware-offtopic: Total of 28 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 26 voices, 1 normal] [10:26] ok spook. although I don't think I ever posted a news link :) [10:26] almost 10%, is that a record? [10:26] ... [10:27] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [10:27] anyone talking over there? [10:27] yes, about you. [10:28] yeah [10:28] again? [10:28] of course [10:28] wow, and i thought i'd only have 15 mins [10:29] jabuti (~work@201.12.147.168) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201220228] [10:29] everytime i boot my box i have to dhclient in order to start the internet. eth0 was configured after install and eth1 is made by dhclient [10:29] how can i autostart the internet? [10:29] edit your /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [10:29] hi, how do i wipe out mbr? [10:29] the network scripts use dhcpcd by default. [10:30] and so should you [10:30] ikar: dd junk to the start of the drive. [10:30] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:31] Azeotrope, did you look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules? And take out the line for eth1? [10:31] ok, i have a "problem"; i need to remove windows from mbr [10:31] ikar, reinstall lilo [10:31] ikar: windows uses the superblock. [10:31] ok, i see. tnx [10:31] ikar (~ikar@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:32] xover (~xover@host86-150-128-26.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:32] why would udev go and do something like that? [10:32] two nics? [10:32] actually with one nic it still does that [10:33] i have an undying hatred for udev [10:33] noticable when you replace your nic and its eth1 [10:33] dive, i want my internet to start on eth0 [10:33] autostart [10:33] Azeotrope, so edit rc.inet1.conf to use eth0 [10:33] yeah, it doesn crazy crap like that, and will fight you tooth and nail if you try to make it like you want [10:33] Azeotrope: setup /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf correctly [10:34] Skywise: the udev rules are easy enough to edit [10:34] i did. it had USE_DHCP[0]="yes" [10:34] Azeotrope, pastebin your conf please [10:34] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [10:34] spook, maybe i've gotten fed of with it long before comming to that point [10:35] fed up with it [10:35] http://pastebin.org/96523 [10:35] sramov (sramov@dh207-94-20.xnet.hr) left ##slackware. [10:35] without looking hes changed all the ip addresses to 1.2.3.4 [10:35] wtf it's all empty [10:35] lol [10:35] fiyawerx (~fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:35] i had that yes there [10:35] but i deleted it [10:36] ... [10:36] real helpful in diagnosing your problem. [10:36] put yes back and maybe a netmask [10:36] Skywise: thats an awesome attitude to have as a sysadmin [10:36] kslen^^ (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:36] i try [10:36] i am connecting directly to the internet, static ip [10:37] in ubuntu it autodetected all [10:37] then you put ip in [10:37] and your hostmask already tells us your ip, theres no point hiding it. [10:37] but you say dhclient works? [10:37] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [10:37] kslen^^ (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [10:37] yes [10:37] i don't see what the problem with mknod was [10:37] how do I specify the remote ssh port for rsync? [10:37] Azeotrope, does dhcpcd eth0 work? [10:38] i do hdclient as root to have internet acces [10:38] slava_dp: oh right, i remember that was a bitch to do [10:38] dive: yes [10:38] slava_dp: need to use the ssh command argument, rsync -something 'ssh -remoteportargument ' [10:39] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:39] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:39] dive: No working leases in persistent database - sleeping. [10:39] adupuis (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:39] hmm [10:40] have you tried putting your ip in? [10:40] yes, it won't connect [10:41] netmask? [10:41] (if that's needed) [10:41] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [10:42] it should be [10:42] I would [10:42] i tried with the netmask too [10:42] such as? [10:42] Lyrae_girl (~Lyra@125.38.154.240) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:42] just make sure not to set a gateway on your lan [10:42] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:43] and you should nat your lan to the net [10:43] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [10:43] rachael (~nnnnracha@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:43] Azeotrope, http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network [10:43] read that ^ [10:43] ok. thanks [10:43] kslen^^ (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:44] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: l8r [10:44] spook, it's -e 'ssh -p3001' [10:44] spook, or whatever your port is [10:45] slava_dp: yeah i know what it vaguely was, just wasnt 100% sure and wasnt going to spoon feed you [10:45] Lyrae_girl (~Lyra@125.38.154.240) joined ##slackware. [10:45] Lyrae_girl (~Lyra@125.38.154.240) left irc: Client Quit [10:45] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [10:45] spook, hey, are you offended or what? :D [10:46] slava_dp: nah not offended, just making a joke [10:46] Action: slava_dp :-D [10:47] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [10:48] ok. id added ip and netmask to eth1. it will still work at reboot? [10:48] one sure fire way to find out [10:49] depends whether eth0 or eth1 is correct [10:51] i'm trying to configure a PXE boot server on my lan [10:51] zux1wrk: using the readme? [10:51] yep [10:52] which bit you stuck at? [10:52] but i want to use my existing dhcp server [10:52] which is? [10:52] a mikrotik router [10:53] xover (~xover@host86-150-128-26.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [10:53] i believe you can setup dhcpd to only reply to pxe requests. [10:53] I have added a cdrom to auto.misc, how to get the fs to mount it? [10:53] in that case there would be no need to change the existing dhcp, right? [10:53] SlackNews (nikopol@apple.chaosorigin.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:54] Azeotrope: "man rc.inet1.conf" of reading http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network#network_configuration_file_rc.inet1.conf will help [10:54] um, you'd need to assign the pxe booting machines an ip address in the same subnet, or setup routing between the two subnets. [10:54] xover, did you /etc/rc.d/rc.autofs start? [10:54] yes [10:54] do i need to create the directories for the mounts? [10:55] all you need to do then is cd into the mountpoint [10:55] spook, but maybe it's possible to make the existing dhcp server give all the info to the machines [10:55] SlackNews (nikopol@apple.chaosorigin.com) joined ##slackware. [10:55] at the moment /misc point to auto.misc [10:55] what? [10:55] what is /misc? [10:55] and they could then boot from the other end? [10:55] zux1wrk: what is a mikrotik router? one of those all in one modem, router, switch? [10:55] the mountpoint for the auto.misc file [10:55] spook: its a product [10:55] i cd into it and its empty [10:55] spook, it's a just a router [10:55] and not a bad one [10:55] microtik is an OS [10:56] well yeah [10:56] xover, did you make an auto.master? [10:56] and this is their board too [10:56] it's based on linux [10:56] well..it is linux [10:56] its a linux kernel [10:56] this is in my auto.master [10:56] well ok it is [10:57] with their management interface [10:57] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [10:57] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:57] "/misc /etc/auto.misc" [10:57] zux1wrk: i dont know if you could do it on there. it would require a compatible dhcp server binary, to put the pxelinux file on the server, have it offer it to clients that request it, and use the next-server parameter correctly [10:58] woo, there's a manpage for rc.inet1.conf! 0_0 [10:59] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [10:59] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:59] epoch kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Seeya, trooooollll. Actions have consequences. Adults understand that. [10:59] rar [10:59] trooool? [10:59] is it like a tool+troll? [11:00] troll tool [11:00] xover, and what does your auto.misc contain? [11:00] v4nelle (~van@79.103.136.171.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:00] or an obtuse troll ? =P [11:00] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:00] kslen^^ (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [11:00] troll is the identity matrix. [11:00] was that patero again [11:00] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:00] http://pastebin.org/96540 [11:00] i dont know, i didnt set it [11:00] wicked ssh [11:01] gintek (~gintek@int218.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:01] dive: "dvdrom -fstype=iso9660 :/dev/dhc" [11:01] my linux exam went well today =) [11:01] (i think) [11:01] phrag: which one did you take? [11:01] hmm, why does irssi highlight the II in that string [11:01] Azeotrope: your client is trying to make an ssh2 connection with ah ssh1 identity [11:02] because its not II its ^I which is a tab character [11:02] xover: oh it was a custom exam, set by a prospective employer =) [11:02] GooseYArd: i did a rsa keygen [11:02] rsa or rsa2? [11:02] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:02] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [11:02] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Quit: ^D [11:02] rsa will give you a protocol 1 identity [11:02] dive: is that ok? [11:02] for sshv2 you want dsa [11:04] dsa?? for sshv2? i remember that i used sshv2 with rsa keys [11:05] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [11:06] xover, cd /misc/dvdrom [11:06] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:06] nothing there [11:07] was i supposed to create the subdirectory manually? [11:07] no [11:07] well I don't think so [11:07] you mean /mnt/dvdrom right? [11:08] but if you use the --ghost option in rc.master it will make the subdir [11:08] spook, no [11:08] oohh [11:08] disregard me [11:08] i created a new file now called /etc/auto.dvdrom and put an entry in /etc/auto.master for /media/dvdrom /etc/auto.dvdrom [11:08] he's using /misc as his top mountpoint (if that's the right term) [11:09] dive: yeah sorry thought it was a different person [11:09] xover, then it will mount in /media/dvdrom/dvdrom [11:09] if i do a df, there is nothing there [11:09] however i cannot now remove the dir that i created [11:09] you will need to stop autofs to rm it [11:10] so if i go into /media it should mount? [11:10] into /media/dvdrom i mean? [11:10] with those settings you will need to cd /media/dvdrom/dvdrom [11:11] but i didnt create the second directory and it isnt there [11:11] xover, you know what I always had problems getting the stock autofs to work properly I just rememberer. I upgraded sometime back. [11:12] Axius (~hi@92.85.217.93) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:13] Nick change: kslen^^ -> kslen [11:13] where can i find the file with the names of virtual desktops / workspaces? i need to edit the file because it remembers only 3 names out of 7 [11:16] v4nelle (~van@79.103.136.171.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:17] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-52-194.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:19] anybody using kde 4.4? [11:19] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:20] i want to use it if someone teaches me how to install it [11:21] coolkehon (~coolkehon@unaffiliated/coolkehon) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:21] http://www.google.gr/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CAYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Falien.slackbook.org%2Fblog%2Fits-been-released-kde-sc-4-4-0%2F&rct=j&q=alienbob+kde+4.4&ei=71GFS4D6KtWO_AbmptTIAg&usg=AFQjCNF0ypv17mU8glGdUc4Yy_q-OpQuvQ [11:21] coolkehon (~coolkehon@confusion.ironsunrise.com) joined ##slackware. [11:21] but i wat to ask if anybody has problems with it [11:21] want [11:21] you gotta pay if you want someone to teach you [11:22] lol [11:22] makes you wish you had taken advantage of school now, doesn't it [11:22] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:24] dive: i needed to ls into a hidden directory [11:24] also had a wrong entry to which didnt help. [11:24] xover, use the --ghost option in auto.master [11:24] it will create the directories [11:24] v4nelle (~van@79.103.136.171.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:25] nice [11:25] thanks man [11:25] you're welcome [11:26] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [11:26] gtludwig (~gtl@litio.certi.org.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:26] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.57.187) joined ##slackware. [11:27] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:28] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:28] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:28] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:29] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-245.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:30] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) joined ##slackware. [11:31] delt0r (~delt0r@62-47-143-210.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [11:31] delt0r (~delt0r@62-47-143-210.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:32] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:32] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:34] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:35] fiyawerx (~fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:39] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-245.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [11:43] i'm having trouble with PXE boot [11:43] used DNSmasquarade for the server part [11:43] how would dns come into it? [11:44] spook, it can be a dhcp server too [11:44] my bad [11:44] dnsmasq [11:44] so the client boots [11:45] shows me that he has the right address and knows where to download the tftp [11:45] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-245.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:45] adrenaline (~repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Changing host [11:45] adrenaline (~repsol@tuxhacker/adrenaline) joined ##slackware. [11:45] but the says Unable to locate configuration file [11:45] zux1wrk: my suggestion when doing pxe is get it working the way the readme guides you, then replace things like the dhcp server. [11:46] spook, the readme also guides on dnsmasq [11:46] he's saying just break one thing at a time [11:46] dnsmasq --dhcp-boot=/slackware-13.0/pxelinux.0,"192.168.200.81",192.168.200.81 --enable-tftp --tftp-root=/tftpboot --dhcp-range=192.168.200.100,192.168.200.110,1111111 [11:46] zux1wrk: if you follow the guide, it should work. so if you have problems you missed a step. [11:46] this is how i run it [11:49] delt0r (~delt0r@62-47-143-210.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [11:49] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [11:49] delt0r (~delt0r@62-47-143-210.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:50] Pentode (~Sam@unaffiliated/pentode) joined ##slackware. [11:52] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-185.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [11:53] nop, i think the readme has some errors [11:54] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@174-23-24-227.slkc.qwest.net expired. [11:54] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@174-23-24-227.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [11:54] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.57.187) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:54] it says to copy all the files to /tftpboot/slackware-13.0/ [11:54] zux1wrk: can you post your pxe configuration? [11:54] dnsmasq --dhcp-boot=/slackware-13.0/pxelinux.0,"192.168.200.81",192.168.200.81 --enable-tftp --tftp-root=/tftpboot --dhcp-range=192.168.200.100,192.168.200.110,1111111 [11:54] as someone whos refered to that guide lots of times, the guide has no major errors [11:55] this is how i run the serwer [11:55] also include your tftp setup as well [11:55] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:55] you know, dnsmasq has a config file, no need to specify those on command line :) [11:55] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [11:55] zux1wrk: wheres your /tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default ? [11:55] one problem I see already is that you've told dnsmasq that the root is at /tftpboot, but the dhcp boot specifies /tftpboot/slackware-13.0 [11:55] it only works if i copy all the files to /tftpboot and not /tftpboot/slackware-13.0 [11:56] zux1wrk: and do you have /tftpboot/slackware-13.0/pxelinux.0 ? [11:56] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [11:56] can someone tell me what pxeboot is supposed to be easier than [11:56] Skywise: any method of booting that requires physical media. [11:56] --tftp-root=/tftpboot tells dnsmasq that the tftp server does a chroot to /tftpboot before looking at configuration files IIRC [11:56] Skaperen, easier than finding a cdrom that works on a box that can't boot from usb [11:57] how can i use kde 4.4 in slack? [11:57] you can pxe boot a machine that does not have a harddrive. [11:57] if you really want 4.4 - check alienBOB's repository on upgrading to 4.4 [11:57] the previus pessage was ment for Skywise [11:57] so the readme says to do like this: dnsmasq --dhcp-boot=/slackware-13.0/pxelinux.0,"192.168.0.1",192.168.0.1 [11:58] alisonken1home: ok, 10x [11:58] yeah, you tabfailed, we understood [11:58] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [11:58] Azeotrope: keep in mind its 4.4.0 [11:58] then the readme says: Add the two following commandline parameters to your dnsmasq commandline: [11:58] --enable-tftp --tftp-root=/tftpboot [11:58] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [11:59] Skywise: booting from network. as simple as that. no need to deal with any other media [11:59] correct [11:59] and then the readme says to copy everythink to /tftpboot/slackware-13.0 [11:59] i suppose thats where you get eventually [12:00] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:00] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [12:00] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.57.187) joined ##slackware. [12:00] alisonken1home: where do i find that repo? [12:00] when i copied everything to /tftpboot it boots ok [12:00] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.15) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [12:02] zux1wrk: you need /tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default in which you point to /tftpboot/slackware-13.0/isolinux/initrd.img and the kernel. [12:02] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:02] spook, yes, but the readme instructs me to create /tftpboot/slackware-13.0/pxelinux.cfg/default [12:02] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:03] nick4b (~nick4b@195.74.245.99.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:03] a copy from the readme: cp /mirror/slackware/slackware-13.0/usb-and-pxe-installers/pxelinux.cfg_defaul [12:03] t /tftpboot/slackware-13.0/pxelinux.cfg/default [12:03] hmm, that extra break wasn't supposed to be there [12:04] Azeotrope, not sure right now since I only use what pat has in -current [12:04] ok, thanks [12:05] how do i close e service that uses a specific port? [12:05] ie port 2000 [12:05] configure it not to [12:05] Azeotrope, try http://alien.slackbook.org/ktown/4.4.0/ [12:05] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:05] do you want to close the service, or close the port? [12:05] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.195.62) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:05] or filter with iptables [12:06] the port... it remained as a shadow, nothing uses the port [12:06] netstat shows it's listening [12:07] then its listening. [12:07] no [12:07] it's a metasploit bug [12:07] pastebin 'netstat -luntp' [12:07] Azeotrope, iptables -A input -p tcp --dport 2000 -j DROP [12:07] if i remember correctly [12:07] i'd start with that [12:08] tcp 0 0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:7777 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 4999/ruby [12:08] looks about right [12:08] spook: that was it [12:08] zux1wrk: which would put that rule at the END of the chain, and his input chain should default to drop anyway. [12:08] spook, that is if he doesn't have a firewall [12:08] Azeotrope: do it as root. i thought that went without saying. [12:08] zux1wrk: he does. [12:08] if he does, then he should know what to do with it... [12:09] he doesnt. [12:09] i don't know [12:09] haha [12:09] pastebin 'netstat -luntp' as root. [12:09] spook: you're just going to hold his hand the whole way through. [12:10] Azeotrope, and notice he suggested PASTEBIN the FULL output [12:10] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [12:10] agentc0re: i'm not going to hold his hand, i'm proving i'm right. [12:10] http://pastebin.org/96584 [12:11] Azeotrope: then its not listening. [12:11] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [12:12] spook: it was. i did a kill on pid 6763 and restarted the app [12:12] its not listening. [12:12] Reaver1 (Joachim@212.88.117.162) left ##slackware. [12:12] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [12:13] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:14] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:14] TheNexT (thenext@c-68-81-156-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:15] every time i startx the virtual desktops are renamed as Workspace x. I tried altering ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc but somehow after login it'b being reset to default [12:15] PiterPunk (~piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:16] PiterPunk (~piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] giuppy (~giuppy@host95-168-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:16] i tried editing as root, chown and chmod 700 [12:16] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:16] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) joined ##slackware. [12:16] i remembers only 3 names out of many [12:17] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [12:18] giuppy (~giuppy@87.13.169.105) joined ##slackware. [12:18] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:18] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [12:18] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.225.253.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [12:18] yeah, now i have booted the box from network, and the best part is i executed dropbear and can go home now and finish from there while drinking bear... [12:19] :) [12:19] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [12:19] we have the greatest bear in latvia :) [12:20] i couple other countries might disagree, like germany and belgium [12:21] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [12:21] belguim moght have a chance [12:21] but not germany [12:22] what about australia? we have some good beers [12:22] but you have no bears [12:22] we have dropbears, and koala bears. [12:23] :) [12:23] yeah, those ones.... [12:23] i like the word ale more [12:24] it's simpler to remember, in latvian it's called alus [12:24] in australian, beer is called, get this, 'beer' [12:25] nvision (~nvision@g225057128.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:25] http://baconorbeercan.com/ [12:26] justtobein (~justtobei@podvis.rutil.net) joined ##slackware. [12:27] rofl [12:27] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Quit: Don't look back, the lemmings are gaining on you. 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[12:38] shyko (~shyko@187.39.212.183) left irc: Changing host [12:38] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [12:39] tnx justtobein [12:40] make gconfig; make config [12:40] and etc [12:41] can u mount the slack 13 source disc now? [12:41] to see the package inside [12:41] yes [12:41] ok [12:41] enter extra directory [12:41] then kde3-compat [12:41] ok, would do [12:42] then find qt3 package [12:42] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:42] ok [12:43] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:43] do u see it? [12:44] yes :) [12:44] installpkg qt3-3.3.8b-x86_64-opt2.txz [12:44] ok, would do [12:45] try make xconfig [12:46] yes, would try that, tnx [12:46] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] yw [12:47] why did I think unlimited scrollback in Konsole was a good idea ? [12:47] i get error-message again :( [12:48] bash_history [12:48] tell me the msg [12:48] ok [12:49] "Unable to find the QT3 installation." [12:49] run "QTDIR=/opt/kde3/lib64/qt3 make xconfig" [12:49] ok [12:49] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-123-96-11.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [12:50] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.57.187) joined ##slackware. [12:52] i'm on another pc...just a minute..i would log in to the pc i am compiling on [12:52] brb [12:52] Nimrod (~ikar@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:52] k [12:53] Nimrod (~ikar@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [12:53] back again [12:54] i must mention i'm using 32-bit [12:54] ok [12:54] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.57.187) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [12:55] how do i set the QTDIR when i am using 32-bit? [12:56] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [12:56] run "QTDIR=/opt/kde3/lib32/qt3 make xconfig" [12:56] ok, would do [12:57] i get errormessage [12:57] where do i pastebin? [12:58] pastebin.ca should be fine [13:00] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@p3m/member/epoch expired. [13:00] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:00] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [13:00] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:01] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [13:01] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:01] justtobein (~justtobei@podvis.rutil.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:01] other_rafa (rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:01] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [13:01] justtobein http://pastebin.ca/1808326 [13:02] he pinged out, you'll have to await his return [13:03] ok [13:03] Action: adaptr eagerly awaits the return [13:04] Nimrod, do the dance of waiting! [13:04] yes [13:04] http://pastebin.ca/1808326 Skywise [13:04] haha, yer not roping me into this [13:05] i'm having lunch [13:05] ok [13:06] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [13:06] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [13:06] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:06] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [13:08] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.57.187) joined ##slackware. [13:09] Nimrod, does that directory exist ? /opt/kde3/lib32/qt3 [13:10] i would find out [13:11] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [13:11] ah, i found whats wrong. i should not have written lib32, but only "lib" [13:12] there's no such thing as "lib32" [13:12] wertik_ (~wertik@95-26-68-169.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:13] no, it's not, it's only lib & lib64 i think [13:13] i don't remember the transition from 16 to 32 to be as difficult as 32 to 64 has been [13:13] The FHS standards require the use of /lib for 32-bit and /lib64 for 64-bit. [13:14] Most operating systems didn't make the jump from 16-bit to 32-bit. [13:14] depends on when you started keeping track [13:14] Anyone ever use a USB->HDMI adapter before? They generally work on linux? Something like this --> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10114&cs_id=1011403&p_id=6040&seq=1&format=2 [13:15] xenix went from 16 -> 32 [13:15] er 32 -> 16 [13:15] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.57.187) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:15] now i would do some compiling Good bye, and thanks for the help! [13:15] Nimrod (~ikar@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:16] In most cases, the operating system remained 16-bit, and additional drivers were added to address the extra memory - which is the exact same thing as PAE for 32-bit. [13:16] i'm just saying the changes for the most part were transparent and things were backwards compatible [13:16] Skywise: whut ? what "transition" ? [13:17] Things are backwards compatible today in much the same way. You can still run 32-bit programs on 64-bit osees, if you have the required 320bit libraries. [13:17] ok you can't come in at the end of a conversation and start at the beginning [13:17] back then almost all the shit came with the unix as well [13:17] In the same way, 32-bit operating systems have 16-bit libs for backwards compatibility. [13:17] you didnt have all this downloading stuff [13:17] That's why Windows 95 will run most 16-bit windows programs. [13:18] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [13:18] It's not magically backwards-compatible - it was designed to be. [13:19] right, the os should be able to use whats availible, but things aren't that seamless [13:20] In a lot of ways, they're even more seamless. There are standards in place today that weren't there 20 years ago. [13:20] Camarade_Tux: ah, thanks [13:20] Of course, if you don't follow the standards, then you won't go anywhere. [13:21] Camarade_Tux: apparently, the qt gui for this in linux, 'qosmic', can make random flames also. [13:21] But they are nowhere near as "exciting as yours [13:21] There are a lot of people out there who are still happily using 32-bit cpus, and can't be bothered to rewrite their code for 64-bit compatibility. [13:22] right [13:22] And it's understandable. There are people like me who go the extra mile to get it working, and then get the changes made in the original code. [13:23] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423886.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [13:23] Things are in a lot better shape in the Open-Source world than in the closed-source world. At least we can minimally do a recompile, and most code will work. [13:24] Skywise: Linux was never a 16-bit OS [13:24] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423886.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:24] jkwood: of course, there are the applications that are written in x86 assembly. :P [13:25] Assuming it doesn't include 32-bit assembly, that is, but that's a standard porting issue - you'd run into it whether you were porting to x86_64 or ARM. [13:25] adaptr, i wasn't only talking about linux [13:25] we're in ##slackware [13:25] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.57.187) joined ##slackware. [13:25] question: are any of you actively doing anything to help remedy the 32bit/64bit situations you have brought up? [13:26] and Linux doesn't suffer, has never suffered, from any 16->32 bit problems, because there are none. [13:26] My "best remedy" is to install 32-bit compat libraries [13:26] it's working well enough for me here [13:26] Yup. [13:27] I only use 32-bit compat for two reasons anyway. [13:27] no, to remedy the problem, not what you're doing for your own computer but for the problem with the development environment [13:27] Writing code that is agnostic to that. :P [13:27] what are the possible solutions to the development problem? [13:28] Delahunt: The code I write, I try to make as portable as possible. I also spend quite a bit of time making things work on 64-bit, then releasing the fruit of that work to the community. [13:28] ok i was just asking [13:28] i guess this channel doesn't have the people who sit around griping about it but not doing anything about it 8-) [13:28] Action: Delahunt has to put up with that elsewhere [13:28] Delahunt: your hidden assumption is that everybody who encounters problems with 64 / 32 bit environments is a coder. [13:28] There are actually several things that need to be done. Some code just needs to be written in assembly, which is not portable at all. But, the speed is needed. [13:28] adaptr, no [13:29] my assertion is that those who are not doing anything to fix something shouldn't gripe about it [13:29] So, that means it needs to be written in multiple dialects. [13:29] but jkwood and NaCl are doing something about it [13:29] me, i'm not, so i'm not griping about it 8-) [13:29] Most things I've encountered have been less architecture issues and more build issues. [13:29] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:29] Indeed. [13:30] i think what skywise was asking about was, what did the unixes that existed for a 16 bit cpu do when the cpu family made the leap to 32 bits [13:30] Like some build systems remove compile flags to prevent stuff from blowing up due to optimizations [13:30] Axius (~fd@92.82.91.160) joined ##slackware. [13:30] We're stuck with 32-bit compat until such a time as binary-only releases and software like Wine are all 64-bit. [13:30] Delahunt: People that are getting something at no cost to them should not be griping about what they get. :P [13:30] i dont know of any architectures where that happened other than x86 [13:31] x86 used to be 16 bits [13:31] Back in the day [13:31] GooseYArd: Recompiled, mostly. [13:31] XGizzmo, also very true [13:31] The x86 family is backwards-compatible, as far as software goes. You can install 8-bit DOS on a 64-bit machine. [13:32] jkwood: It's taken forever Adobe to get a 64-bit flash player up. [13:32] It'll panic because of all the resources available to it. [13:32] the only one I can think of that ever would have had that problem was when xenix went to the 386 [13:32] Wonder why that is. [13:32] i don't have any sound [13:32] how do i restart it? [13:32] NaCl: I'm using the alpha. I wish all their software was alpha, because I keep running into issues with their release software. [13:32] Action: Delahunt still wonders why anyone uses anything lower in arch than ppro [13:32] Azeotrope: New install? [13:33] now [13:33] no [13:33] jkwood: The alpha stuff doesn't crash on me so much as it causes ALSA to asplode [13:33] just cracked after many kde starts/stops [13:33] Azeotrope: You might try running alsaconf to see if that fixes it. [13:33] Also, Sometimes random things get muted. I usually check everything in alsamixer to make sure. [13:34] My Intel sound chip does that. [13:34] NaCl: Interesting. I haven't noticed any probelms. [13:34] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.225.253.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:34] jkwood: it works now, thak you [13:34] I run pandora and youtube a lot of the time, quitting them while soundis playing sometimes causes alsa to blow up [13:35] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:35] You also may want to run alsactl store [13:35] I guess I'll have to stress-test it. [13:36] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [13:36] restarting KDE fixes it though [13:36] jkwood: that mean anything? [13:37] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.249.169) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:37] Sounds like a Phonon issue, maybe. [13:38] While I was glad to see arts go, I was terrified Phonon would end up being as bad as all the other sound servers out there. So far, I've only noticed little nits here and there. [13:38] But, it does have its nits. [13:38] I would try it in XFCE, but I don't want to experiment with it, and it happens sporadically [13:38] gaz- (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:38] KDE says ALSA doesn't work. Everything else spits out something on the terminal or just is muted [13:38] jiraia (~nnet@187.4.64.183) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:38] The next time it occurs, try running alsaconf in console and see if that helps. [13:39] Will do. [13:40] zux (~zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [13:41] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:41] jiraia (~nnet@187.4.64.183) joined ##slackware. [13:43] nick4b (~nick4b@195.74.245.99.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:44] Ironically, as often as little things like that happen, I don't get annoyed because I'm not stuck with it that way forever. [13:44] NaCl, slackware 13 sound? or -current ? [13:44] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:46] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [13:47] Action: jkwood reads more about optimization [13:47] -current [13:47] Delahunt: ^ [13:48] NaCl, roger [13:48] How do you do, Roger? [13:48] jkwood, i was doing an experiment with optimization with trying to tune for intel atom. i was trying to go for -Os [13:48] lol [13:52] lol... This is the Graphics Programmer's Little Black Book. A classic. [13:53] didn't somebody else here was trying the find the best optimisation compile flags for the atom with some testing tool because i was the first in order cpu (atom) since the original pentium [13:53] crap sorry for the spelling -and grammar mistakes [13:53] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [13:54] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:54] Spelling looks fine, other than the British optimization. [13:54] Emeau (~Emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-116-148.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:54] spelling looks fine. [13:55] English is still a British invention [13:55] how do i reget the userlist in irssi again ? [13:55] /l [13:55] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-38-253.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [13:55] hi guys [13:55] teckan (~Pai@p5B0CAE62.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] anyone has a clue on what may be causing the boot error "<0>Kernel panic - not syncing: bad gzip magic numbers" after kernel recompilation? i am using encrypted lvms with luks. with the original slack13 kernel, it works just fine. [13:57] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [13:57] teckan, did you create an initrd? [13:58] i did create an initrd [13:58] did you try recreating the initrd? [13:58] yes, a couple of times now, with different names, just to check [13:59] teckan, what kernel version did you compile? [13:59] 2.6.29.6 [13:59] it's the one which comes with slackware [13:59] but i needed to patch it because of my touchpad [13:59] what touchpad? [13:59] alps [13:59] since when? i have an ALPS that works fine. [14:00] it's a common issue over dell e6400/e6500, i think [14:00] you're not trying to use the same initrd for both kernels are you? [14:01] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [14:01] Delahunt, i am not [14:02] i don't know man, i've never seen that kernel panic notice [14:03] s/notice/before/ [14:03] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:04] crashdata, do you happen to be living near or on Shaw AFB ? [14:04] AFB? [14:04] air force base [14:04] apparently not [14:04] i'm on shaw [14:04] provider... y u ask? [14:05] just curious [14:05] Action: Delahunt is US Air Force [14:05] cool :) [14:05] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:06] Delahunt, the patch i am talking about is this one here: http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/12/8/182 [14:06] teckan, i have an ALPS that responds without any patching to the following entry in /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse.conf: [14:06] options psmouse proto=exps resetafter=1 [14:08] what that does is limit its detection to EXPS as the highest protocol it will use (unless it detects a lower one) [14:08] and tells it to reset itself after 1 error (rather than not at all) [14:08] MadneX (~MadneX@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [14:09] Delahunt, "i luckily was able to determine the malefactor. There was the initrd support [14:09] built into the kernel while the ramdisk driver was just built as a module." (http://www.linuxforen.de/forums/archive/index.php/t-222658.html) [14:09] ah [14:09] yeah that will get ya [14:10] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:10] this is quite old but maybe it is the problem, somehow? i cant find it anywhere in the kernel config file [14:10] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:10] did you go with your own config or pat's config for generic-smp as a starting point? [14:10] Why even use initrds? [14:10] straterra, LUKS+LVM [14:10] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [14:10] and generic kernels [14:10] i prefer custom kernels, but to each their own [14:11] well i'm saying it's best to start off with pat's config as a starting point [14:11] Delahunt, i used my own [14:11] just firing up make menuconfig without copying over pat's config may or may not pull up the config in use, which means you could overlook something on accident (there's lots of stuff in there and we're all human) [14:12] teckan, try loading pat's config first, then making only the changes you need [14:12] just don't overwrite the old kernel config before you got the new one working [14:12] he didn't [14:12] but that's good advice [14:12] i usually add another entry in lilo [14:12] Skywise, i am talking with you somehow :P [14:12] for the new kernel [14:12] i sensed that [14:12] yes, that's common sense, i believe [14:13] Action: Delahunt keeps http://www.puresimplicity.net/~delahunt/config-slap-2.6.32.9 and previous versions (slap = slackware on laptops) for those who are interested [14:13] its not what happens by default tho, even tho it should [14:13] teckan, um did that patch make it into the kernel? if so, why not just compile a new kernel instead of the old one? [14:14] (i.e. if this is a patch for 2.6.29.6 and it was put into the kernel in 2.6.29.7 or whatever (as an example) you might as well grab the new tarball if you have the bandwidth) [14:15] i dont know if it has been included in following releases [14:15] goarilla (~goarilla@27.191-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:15] i would think by now it has [14:15] CRS-Finance (~thomark@podvis.rutil.net) joined ##slackware. [14:15] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:15] that says it's for 2.6.27 anyways, which makes me wonder if you should be using it at all [14:16] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [14:16] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.195.62) joined ##slackware. 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[14:22] teckan, no software is perfect [14:22] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [14:23] "One problem is that you build ext3 into your kernel, which means there is no module to add to your initrd." (http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware64-lvmluks-and-mkinitrd-for-custom-kernel-749951/) [14:24] um ok [14:24] does this make any sense? [14:24] that's more of user error than a problem [14:24] no. [14:24] ah, well then [14:27] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:29] that's not even a problem... that's completely user error... initrd is for loading modules when the boot device is not available. :P [14:29] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [14:30] farhat (~farhat@41.99.19.1) joined ##slackware. [14:30] hi all [14:30] after try many disto's , back to slackware :) [14:31] and sorry for my languge [14:31] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. 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[15:01] Hey slackers :P [15:01] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [15:02] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:02] hi Axtroz [15:02] how are you [15:02] just for the sake of testing, i am compiling it without the patch right now, Delahunt. however, i don't think it will make any difference [15:04] what is the best place to get slackware apps ? [15:04] zux (~zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [15:05] slackbuilds.org [15:06] not slackbuilds.org or linuxpackages.net or slacky.it [15:06] Hey farhat, fine, thanks. You can get decent slackware apps from http://www.slackbuilds.org/ and http://linuxpackages.net [15:06] oh... [15:06] compiling from source ? :) [15:06] and not sourceforge.net [15:06] farhat: alienBOBs packages and rworkmans packages. thats about it [15:06] no i need pkg's [15:07] isnt that what i said? [15:07] rlworkman.net and alien.slackbook.org [15:07] linuxpackages.net is bad news. [15:07] i guess you could also just grab random rpm's and do teh whole rpm2tgz thing. [15:07] old news too [15:08] what exactly are you looking for farhat ? [15:08] NaCl: ah, didn't know about qosmic, and it looks too complicated for me ;p [15:08] :P [15:08] i see http://rlworkman.net/ , there is another ? [15:08] Camarade_Tux: I'll try flamel again when I get back home [15:09] anyone know if packages.slackware.it ever gonna come back? [15:09] i want to create permanent names for hard drives, where is the place to do that? [15:10] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:10] NaCl: but I don't think it does batch processing as I want and I'm going to expand flamel a bit so that the initial low-quality image only takes a few seconds (would be at least 4 times faster than now, more like 10 actually) and also so that you can make higher-quality and higher-resolution images too [15:10] ok ok , wish is best place get from it best pkg's that let save my system [15:10] ? [15:10] What does your flamel do Camarade_Tux? [15:10] dbus, zux [15:11] alienBOB: and speaking of flam3, there is a new version out [15:11] butterball (~62e7bfe7@gateway/web/freenode/x-adfpfpeecpillmgw) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:11] notKlaatu, and which file? [15:11] er udev [15:11] NaCl: I know, but Pat decided to keep the version that comes with the electricsheep package [15:11] I guess I should renew that package and give him the URL [15:11] /etc/udev zux [15:12] zux look inside /dev/disk/ [15:12] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [15:13] macman_ (~macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [15:13] anyone ever use tcprobe, tccat, tcextract and tcrequant to rip / shirnk movies ? [15:13] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [15:13] -f [15:14] ? [15:15] alienBOB: it batch-creates flames in low quality and displays them so you can decide which ones you want to render at a higher quality, I'll be expanding it a bit in the following days because right now it's a bit rudimentary [15:15] goarilla (~goarilla@27.191-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [15:15] why the screen flicker when gxine playing ? [15:15] Delahunt, no luck :| [15:16] hello everyone :) [15:16] I've been doing batches of 35 flames at 2560x1600 and quality=4000, which takes about 12 hours on my quad-core phenom II x4 at 3,2GHz [15:16] farhat: you're not in vesa mode ? [15:16] alienBOB, you say I should be using those links to create stuff? in that case, how do I change a system where 2 devices are raided and them on LVM when i want to add 2 more drives? [15:17] flames ? [15:17] alienBOB: http://pers.yaxm.org/flames/second_batch/lowres_jpg/ and parent and parent's parent directory, I should make a web page to display the thumbnails at some point [15:17] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [15:17] goarilla: pretty pictures: http://omploader.org/vM202dw/1266680442.png [15:17] goarilla, so must install nvidia drive , i will install it and see , thanx [15:18] yes yes yes farhat [15:18] you need to kill X to instell them tho [15:19] and have kernel-headers and be root in tty [15:19] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. 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[15:33] if i create a linux software raid from sda and sdb and call it md5. if i change something and those devices are now called sdc and sdd, will the raid be assembled and called md5? [15:34] zux: if you use new enough mdadm, yes [15:35] what version is new? [15:35] and does slackware-13.0 have the new one? [15:37] teckan2 (~Pai@p5B0CAE62.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] teckan (~Pai@p5B0CAE62.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Disconnected by services [15:37] Nick change: teckan2 -> teckan [15:37] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:41] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [15:42] PathagenX (~pathagenx@125-238-63-199.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [15:43] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:45] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:46] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [15:49] zux: when you recreate an array its not destroyed, the element table of the devices is updated and everything is resynced [15:49] haqe17 (~csujbc@joshua.dcs.warwick.ac.uk) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:51] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:51] slackwaredanny (~slackware@c83-250-115-132.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:52] Axius (~fd@92.82.91.160) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:52] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [15:54] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.69.13) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:54] razel (~rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [15:56] willy_ (~willy@190.149.84.76) joined ##slackware. [15:57] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Disconnected by services [15:57] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [15:57] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [16:01] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:02] Skywise, thanks [16:02] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [16:02] maybe you'll have something to say about my idea how to extend my storage [16:02] zux: UUIDs are used [16:02] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [16:03] i had 2 raid-mirrored devices [16:03] LVM one them [16:03] now i added 2 other drives [16:03] also mirrored them [16:03] so, what can you say about extending the LVM one them and using one big home? [16:04] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:04] just mount the 2nd raid at /home [16:04] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [16:04] zux: so what's the question? [16:04] i already hava an lvm volume mounted as /home [16:04] have [16:05] so, preferably i would like to extend the existing /home volume [16:05] what level raid is the array? [16:05] 1 [16:05] mirrored [16:05] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: lalala caindo fora!!!!!!11111 [16:05] wertik_ (~wertik@95-26-68-169.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:05] well you can't expand the raid array size [16:05] not raid [16:05] i created new raid array from the new drives [16:06] and want to extend the lvm on them [16:06] but you should be able to add a volume to the lvm [16:06] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [16:06] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:06] well it's possible, i know that, just thought maybe there are some things i should consider [16:07] Wertik (~mirggi@95-26-68-169.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:07] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:08] zux: what exactly are you asking for? [16:08] what problems could i expect [16:08] ? [16:09] zux: in terms of what? [16:09] zux: meteorites [16:09] my idea seems to look very well, i'm just scared of hidden rocks [16:09] falling space stations [16:09] ninjas! [16:09] back up your data before trying [16:09] no, losing all my data [16:09] yes, ninjas are bad [16:09] zux: you will lose your data if you lose two drives out of a single array. other than that, there is nothing to worry [16:09] Falling space ninjas! [16:09] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:09] ananke, well ok,. that sounds good [16:10] extending vgs and lvs is also safe. resizing filesystems is fine too [16:10] at least expanding them [16:10] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [16:10] bang 2.6.33 [16:11] ananke, and what if the situation is that the hdd controller, to which i have 2 of the drives attached dies [16:11] zux: then you don't have your data [16:11] do i just change the controller, or might i loose the data? [16:11] really. what else do you expect? :) [16:11] GooseYArd, good news, 2.6.33 [16:11] if it's just the controller, the data is still on the drives [16:12] zux: you change the controller, and software raid is back in business. of course, there may be some filesystem damage if it dies in the middle of writing [16:12] zux: yes. it doesn't magically go away [16:12] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-52-79.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:12] some filesystem damage is acceptable [16:12] and since you use linux software raid, it's vendor agnostic: you're not bound to use the same raid controller [16:12] yeah, that is cool too [16:13] i was thinking about buying a 3ware 4-port controller [16:13] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.57.187) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:13] but that would make me bye the same controller if something breaks [16:13] 'buy' not 'bye' :) [16:14] zux: just like it's good practice to keep spare drives for a RAID array, it's also a good idea to keep at elast one spare controller card as well [16:14] Wertik (~mirggi@95-26-68-169.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: [16:14] NyteOwl, keeping a spare controller is just too expensive for my home use [16:15] for personal use, software RAID on a decent system is perfectly fine and much more cost effective [16:15] i used to have the 2 drives striped [16:15] had a lot of space [16:15] indeed [16:15] but after a talk about what would happen to me if my wife lost all her pictures [16:15] Action: ananke is just finishing adding 101 drives to 2 hardware raid controllers in a single box. ick [16:16] i decided to mirror [16:16] zux: one word: BACKUP [16:16] stripes just doubles the chance of losing your data imho. any speed gains aren't worth the risk [16:16] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] zux: don't rely on raid to protect your valuable data. make backup. [16:16] NyteOwl, as long as there is no data that you are afraid to loose, stripe is ok [16:16] zux: does such a type of dat exist? [16:16] yes, i had that data [16:17] movies you can download any time [16:17] music, same thing [16:17] that is what mostly sits on my desktop [16:18] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [16:18] just have copies in more then 1 place [16:19] for $5/year you can have 20GB of storage on google's picasa for your pics [16:20] i don't like the idea that my pictures are stored somewhere... [16:20] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [16:20] so you prefer to store them nowhere? :) [16:20] you can get an external drive to use as backup [16:20] besides, international internet link here in latvia is not the best [16:20] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) joined ##slackware. [16:20] zux, then rsync them somewhere using cron :) [16:20] where? [16:21] that is the problem [16:21] zux: point remains: back up your photos, if they're really valuable to you. do NOT rely on raid [16:21] zux, to a box in the kitchen? :) [16:21] slava_dp, that is the second problem [16:21] you can use an esata or usb external enclosure [16:21] no kitchen [16:21] get a small external usb-attached drive, and sync them every few weeks. store the drive in your safe [16:21] lol [16:21] my wife would kill me if i bring in another box... [16:22] but i'm keeping this argument in case something happens to her photos... [16:22] usb drives are fairly cheap [16:23] yeah, but i don't think i have enough money, if i look that my child is number one on spending money [16:23] justtobein (~justtobei@podvis.rutil.net) joined ##slackware. [16:23] zux, get a router with usb, hook a 1T usb drive to it and share it to the network. easy backup :) [16:23] zux: yet you bought two additional drives to expand your /home [16:23] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [16:23] how i bought them was interesting [16:24] my job gives gift cards on birthdays [16:24] seriously, i'd take one of them out, create raid5 out of the existing three, and use that last one for backup. [16:24] !chiste [16:24] ups sorry, wrong channel [16:24] ananke, i like your solution. [16:25] slava_dp, do you now a cheap router that has usb and is supported by openwrt? [16:25] zux, d-link dir-320 + dd-wrt. [16:25] zux, as long as you don't need adsl. [16:25] no i don't [16:26] i'll look at that one [16:26] this router does wonders, although I use it with stock firmware, dd-wrt supports it fully. [16:27] but how powerfull is it? i have i linksys router + openwrt, but it can only provide ~20Mbits [16:27] ~ [16:27] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: :q! [16:27] *only* 20 mbits? you demand a lot. [16:27] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [16:27] i demand satisfaction [16:27] slava_dp, i have a 100Mbits connection [16:28] well that proves he's not in the us [16:28] Skywise, that's what she said [16:28] it's supposed to be 100Mbits, but i use it at 60-70 without the router [16:28] slava_dp, i'm a he [16:28] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:29] does anyone know where i can find a list of the kernel features that must be enabled in order to use luks/lvm encrypted root partition? (i am trying to understand why i am getting the message "<0> Kernel panic - not syncing: bad gzip magic nymbers" when I try to boot my custom kernel) [16:29] zux: considering you said have a wife, you'd also have to be a lesbian too if you were a she :p [16:29] my line is 4-8 Mbits, depending on the time of day. [16:29] Skywise, yeah, that is a feature for living in a country that adopted the internet later than the advanced countries [16:29] (it works just fine if i boot the original slackware "huge" kernel) [16:30] teckan, lspci -v [16:30] depending on your system there is also lsusb and other, but i don't think you might need those for booting [16:30] huh? [16:31] zux, did I say you were a she? :-) [16:31] '16:20 zux> besides, international internet link here in latvia is not the best' [16:32] slava_dp, i'm really getting that speed here, but one problem, this is a 100Mbits connection for latvia and not more than 10 to international [16:32] i'll take my 3mbps link that actually provides me with what i want, rather than 100mbps connection to nowhere :) [16:32] slava_dp, no, you did: Skywise, that's what she said [16:32] zux: "That's what she said" is a colloquiallism, a joke phrase. [16:32] oh [16:32] ok [16:32] The "She" is proverbial. [16:32] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:32] ok, got that [16:32] show me the joke [16:32] jkwood: that's what she said :p [16:33] as the actress said to the bishop [16:33] zux, here it is: http://www.pastebin.org/96739 (as far as I know, everything there is enabled in the kernel. it worked just fine with that config just before I decided to make a clean install and implement encryption through luks/lvm) [16:33] zux, http://tinyurl.com/crvvhk [16:34] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [16:34] ananke, i don't agree with you, 80% of my internet usage is local (latvian) where i get the 100Mbits (not counting irc) for the rest of the world i get around 5-10Mbits [16:35] giuppy (~giuppy@87.13.169.105) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:35] and i pay ~16-17$ for that [16:35] Action: slava_dp waves goodnight to everyone o/ [16:36] \o [16:36] o/ [16:36] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [16:36] damn! I'd liek 5mbps for $17 [16:36] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [16:36] teckan, at what error does your system stops? [16:37] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) joined ##slackware. [16:37] farhat (~farhat@41.99.118.196) joined ##slackware. [16:37] NyteOwl, an mine is not the best possible connection here... [16:37] zux: each to his own :) [16:37] and [16:37] zux, <0> Kernel panic - not syncing: bad gzip magic nymbers" [16:37] wow a trainer at seaworld was killed by a whale [16:38] teckan, hmm, that doesn't look like a driver problem [16:38] did you run lilo after kernel upgrade? [16:38] and what does google say about that error? [16:38] yes. i did do it a lot of times now actually (irrationality eventually take over me) [16:39] hi , I can put URL like this : http://rlworkman.net/js/ in slackware irc ? [16:39] google says little about it [16:39] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:39] rebuilding the kernel? [16:40] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [16:40] yes, i am rebuilding the kernel [16:40] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.57.187) joined ##slackware. [16:40] and is /etc/lilo.conf correct? [16:40] (the version is actually the same, 2.6.29.6) [16:41] maybe an initrd to an initrd image from different kernel? [16:41] me smoke [16:42] teckan, boot with stock kernel, xcat /proc/config.gz > /root/config-huge, take a look at it to see what's included [16:42] er zcat* [16:43] Or just zless [16:43] my lilo.conf: http://www.pastebin.org/96755 [16:43] i am currently using the stock kernel [16:44] it's unlikely to be lilo if the stock kernel boots [16:44] I would think anyway [16:44] slava_dp (~slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:45] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:45] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.57.187) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:45] Intel_BG (~intel@79.100.236.191) joined ##slackware. [16:46] Immundus (~obi@e179143066.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: when in trouble when in doubt run in circles scream and shout [16:46] How to mount my usb flash memory with rw? I added it to /etc/fstab and I am NOT using automounting [16:46] after I added it to the fstab I entered mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/aparat [16:46] mount /dev/sdxx -t vfat [16:47] er no the way you did is correct [16:47] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.27.146) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:47] And I entered that, but this read-only mode [16:47] Play with the umask Intel_BG - otherwise only root will be able to write probably [16:47] but if it's in fstab you only need to do 'mount -t vfat /dev/sda1' [16:48] @dive I do that, but it's read-only mode [16:48] as it wasn't in fstab [16:48] you sure its not the hardware switch Intel_BG [16:49] yes [16:49] ente (ente@unaffiliated/n0nsense) left ##slackware ("Broken Pipe"). [16:49] what's the line in fstab? [16:50] I have not problem with mounting, but with the premissions [16:50] in the fstab I added rw [16:50] and that comes from fstab [16:50] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:51] stock kernel (http://www.pastebin.org/96762) vs (my) custom kernel (http://www.pastebin.org/96763) [16:51] if I add to the command -w flag? again not effect [16:52] Intel_BG: show us the *exact* fstab line [16:52] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.27.146) joined ##slackware. [16:52] /dev/sda1 /mnt/aparat vfat user,noauto,rw 0 0 [16:53] rw is not an option for vfat [16:53] Try umask=000 instead [16:53] in the fstab instead of rw? [16:54] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:55] LnxSlck (1000@89.214.116.21) joined ##slackware. [16:55] howcome vlc doesnt stream as good as online divx player [16:55] nvision (~nvision@e179129124.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:56] i maxxed the buffer already [16:56] still no go [16:56] Intel_BG, another way is to use uid=1000 [16:56] that makes the directory listings a bit better coloured ;) [16:57] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [16:58] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [16:59] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:00] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [17:01] zux (~zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:02] Thank you!! Now it works [17:02] :) [17:02] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-185.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:04] Tau (~tau@189-127-58-33.i-next.psi.br) joined ##slackware. [17:04] Tau (tau@189-127-58-33.i-next.psi.br) left ##slackware. [17:05] doomey (~doomey@188.24.10.68) joined ##slackware. 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[17:37] Nick change: brokedown_ -> brokedown [17:37] yeah that's quite light I think. [17:37] foxit is pretty light weight [17:37] depends on a few things that you might need it to do - like filling in forms which afaik only okular does (apart from the gnome one) [17:38] (evince I think) [17:39] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [17:39] LnxSlck (1000@89.214.116.21) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:41] way nvidia work slowly ? any idea ? help me plz [17:41] gintek: '/something/{ system(...) }' the commands are in {} braces [17:41] oops [17:42] farhat, which slackware version, which driver? [17:42] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:43] dieter|, slackware 13 and I try NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.25-pkg1.run , NVIDIA-Linux-x86-190.53-pkg1.run , and NVIDIA-Linux-x86-195.30-pkg1.run [17:43] which card? [17:43] dieter|, Nvidia 7300 GS [17:44] output of glxinfo | grep dir [17:44] dieter|, before try sabayon and opensuse , I see nvidia work fast and smooth [17:44] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:44] and I'm not on a diet [17:44] farhat: 64-bit or 32-bit Slackware? [17:45] jkwood, 32-bit [17:45] nooper: output is "Hangup [17:45] |slackin| (~slackin@97.103.45.124) joined ##slackware. [17:45] farhat, glxinfo | grep dir [17:45] farhat: K, just checking. [17:45] jkwood, good point, I keep forgetting about these 64bit folks :) [17:45] nooper: ok i find, what i`m looking for :) [17:46] :) [17:46] whats up slackers? [17:46] dive, http://pastebin.com/36Bb4vrC [17:46] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:46] dive! I see you are still hanging around =) [17:47] dive: You have the use the pkg2 installer if you're going multilib. [17:47] dtanner, hi [17:47] yeah I still lurk around ;p [17:47] farhat, that about is weird [17:47] oops s/about/output/ [17:48] farhat, which terminal are you using because that isn't right at all? [17:49] nooper: thx a lot [17:49] np [17:49] dive, ?? [17:49] dive: "64 bit folks", what are we carnies to you ? [17:50] farhat, it should return either nothing or 'direct rendering: Yes' [17:50] xsamurai, pretty much [17:50] xsamurai: You are a ninja. [17:51] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.120) joined ##slackware. [17:51] jkwood: i told you, thats only at night [17:51] |linXea| (~Slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:51] farhat, can you paste all of glxinfo please [17:51] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) got netsplit. [17:51] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) got netsplit. [17:51] teckan (~Pai@p5B0CAE62.dip.t-dialin.net) got netsplit. [17:51] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) got netsplit. 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[17:55] sorry about oops s/about/output :) [17:56] farhat, 'grep nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf' [17:56] i need Sleep :) [17:56] nn then [17:56] farhat: what mesa version do you have? [17:57] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-47-203.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:57] dive, http://pastebin.com/Q3X1PeDa [17:58] farhat, did you use the nvidia configurator to config your xorg.conf, or did you do it yourself? [17:59] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [17:59] dive, nvidia configurator [17:59] hi [17:59] hi Cann0n [18:00] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:00] farhat, can you run glxgears and see what the fps is? [18:00] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-40-51.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:01] I'm not sure about nvidia cards, but some newer ATI cards require 2.6.32 becasue of drm or something [18:01] dive, http://pastebin.com/fj10yVWm , is slowly [18:02] pastebin your xorg.conf perhaps [18:02] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [18:03] Heya slackers :P [18:03] Cann0n, ever see glxinfo output like this: http://pastebin.com/36Bb4vrC ? [18:03] dive, http://pastebin.com/ijs41SsZ [18:03] it's cut off and the pipeed grep hasn't worked at all [18:03] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:03] can't say I have. [18:04] My glxinfo isn't doing it properly anymore, either. [18:04] maybe md5sums didn't match on the install disx image? [18:04] farhat, you are missing quite a few settings there [18:04] s/disx/disk [18:04] Wait, I spoke too soon. [18:05] |linXea| (~Slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 3717, sources date: 20091205, built on: 2009-12-20 14:56:52 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [18:05] invictus (jaird@64.215.163.99) joined ##slackware. [18:06] |linXea| (~Slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:06] dive, what i can do ...................... (i am not good in languge :) , but i will do) [18:07] my glxgears is at 450 fps [18:08] Cann0n, its very slow [18:08] but i can play nexuiz on the second to the highest effects [18:08] farhat, here is some of mine: http://pastebin.com/Y6EEDzrn [18:08] wow, that means you can play 9 games at a time [18:08] |linXea| (~Slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:09] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [18:09] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: d ä_å b [18:09] farhat, copy the bits you need from that. Especially modules sections. [18:09] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-38-253.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: see ya [18:09] linXea (~Slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [18:09] Skywise: 10 [18:09] hello slackers, say i'm recieving line1\n line2\n line3\n line4\n from a binary's output [note the \n newline], if i pipe the results into grep and i want to match whatever i anticipate line3 will have, how would i also get line2's output if i did $ command | grep -i [18:09] i'll elaborate as needed [18:10] even moar better! [18:10] linXea-Desktop (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:10] i man'd grep and maybe i'm just missing what i'm looking for [18:10] invictus, man awk [18:10] linXea (~Slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Client Quit [18:11] dive, i will after complate slackware upgrade , thanx [18:11] perhaps command | grep blabla | awk '{print $2 $3}' or something [18:11] dive: great, is there no option for this in grep, i wasn't considering using awk [18:11] s/grep,/grep?/g [18:11] or perhaps command | grep blabla | cut -d' ' -f2-3 or something [18:12] well I'm not sure if grep can do that alone [18:12] ok :) [18:12] invictus: you are trying to grep for something in the 3rd line? [18:12] thank you [18:12] ah right is the output several lines? [18:12] is it a stream or a file [18:13] any one have a nice gtk look for KDE desktop ? [18:13] because tail will give you a line if you just want one [18:13] to make qt as like gtk [18:13] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [18:14] why not just have gtk [18:14] invictus: grep -B 1 [18:14] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.45.54) joined ##slackware. [18:14] no, i'm grepping line3 [for example's sake] but i also want the previous line [NOT necessarily line2] to be outputted as well as what i'm seeking in line3 [18:14] so whatever line i'm seeking PLUS the line immediately before it [18:14] feinom (~feinom@svale.hia.no) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:14] feinom (~feinom@svale.hia.no) joined ##slackware. [18:14] so while awk '{print $2 $3}' is useful in a specific case, i'm trying to just generalise [18:15] you can tell grep to return the previous line as well as the line the hit is on [18:15] previous line != line2 [18:15] Action: invictus is looking at the -B flag in man [18:15] how does that work [18:15] xsamurai: correct [18:15] 1 2 3 [18:15] it's != literal [18:15] I was taking the \n as being a literal string [18:15] sorry reread [18:15] invictus, do you only want line2 *if* line3 matches? [18:15] 1 2 3 is for an example [18:16] i think you need a clearer explanation [18:16] cause it seems like no one knows what you wanna do exactly [18:16] i want to grep a specific pattern [whatever i'm looking for] and i want that PLUS it's previous line, NOT necessarily numeric literal [18:16] Skywise: i suspect the same, i'm trying :) [18:16] invictus: you do not make much sense, perhaps you could use codepad.org, an paste an example, like this ... is my input and i would like to get this result ... [18:16] Nick change: linXea-Desktop -> linXea [18:17] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Changing host [18:17] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [18:17] invictus, -B then [18:17] unless he means previous pattern [18:17] matched [18:17] < Skywise> cause it seems like no one knows what you wanna do exactly (agreed) [18:17] god knows what , he lost me at 1 2 3 [18:17] ok say i have [blh\n bla\n blr\n bvg\n] and i grep for blr i want blr + bla to show [18:17] dive: thanks [18:17] Action: dtanner watches the show [18:17] -B 1 will print the number of lines before the grepped line [18:18] dtanner: get bent [18:18] ok it seems first he wants to have the binary parsed so that the newline char defines a new line in the file [18:18] haha [18:18] dive: bingo! thanks [18:18] :) [18:18] invictus, thanks nooper [18:18] ... [18:18] and then he wants grep to return the 2 lines from that layout [18:18] Skywise: lots of assumptions there [18:18] Action: invictus shakes head and walks off with his information gold piece [18:18] Skywise, only the last 3 words [18:19] xsamurai, i'm just winging it [18:19] Action: dtanner shakes his head while he looks at how you tried to explain what you wanted [18:19] Skywise: you're overanalysing it [18:19] Action: xsamurai shakes his fist and walks off with his head [18:20] everyone involved; sorry for my unclear elaboration, had a long day, but thank you very much :) [18:21] invictus: tis all good, we all run into that once in a while. that last explanation was spot on brother. =) Peace. [18:23] razel (~rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [18:28] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:29] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. 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[18:57] TheNexT (thenext@c-68-81-156-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:57] Skywise (~noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:58] nvision (~nvision@e179129066.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [18:59] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:59] |slackin| (~slackin@97.103.45.124) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [19:01] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) joined ##slackware. [19:01] King_Ozzy (King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) left ##slackware. [19:01] jiraia (~nnet@187.4.64.183) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:01] other than changing my default runlevel to 4, is there any other way to start [g|k|x]dm ? I dont like the fact that the console logins all go away in runlevel 4. :) [19:02] not that i know of... but i think all of them allow you to still log in using console if you choose to [19:02] break19: look at tty6 [19:03] There is a console left (Ctrl Alt F6 in X) [19:03] so xdm and kin take over 1-5? [19:04] No, there is no 2-5 [19:04] And 1 just shows the boot messages up to the point of going graphical [19:04] oh... [19:05] but in runlevel 3, we get 6 ttys, right? (never actually thought about this) [19:05] coolkehon (~coolkehon@confusion.ironsunrise.com) left irc: Changing host [19:05] coolkehon (~coolkehon@unaffiliated/coolkehon) joined ##slackware. [19:06] you can change number of consoles available for runlevel 4 in /etc/inittab [19:07] in initab, it's usually 6 for RL 3, IIRC [19:07] |slackin| (~slackin@97.103.45.124) joined ##slackware. [19:08] I'll prolly change it around later.. [19:08] Thus, there is now one getty opened on tty6. <--- from /etc/inittab [19:10] slaker (~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [19:10] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:10] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) joined ##slackware. [19:10] King_Ozzy (King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) left ##slackware. [19:10] is this the room for arguments? [19:10] If I'm putty'd into my slackware box and want to run something needing X (xclock), can I launch xclock through putty while launching it on the slack boxes display? [19:11] gartt, you need to use the DISPLAY variable, but that doesn't always work. [19:11] gartt: AFAIK you can but you have to manually set $DISPLAY [19:12] nvision (~nvision@e179129066.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:12] putty on a linux or windows box [19:12] gartt: configure Slackware's sshd to allow X forwarding [19:12] oh nm [19:12] is X forwarding safe? [19:12] Necos, Axtroz: Thanks and sorry to be so newbish, but how would I specify this? [19:12] On your LAN, sure [19:13] gartt, start up your program like this DISPLAY=:0 program_name [19:13] And it is tunneled in the ssh session so it's encrypted [19:13] alienBOB: Ah, but it's to run on the target slack machine [19:13] Yes I understand that gintek [19:13] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) joined ##slackware. [19:13] gartt: [19:13] over the internet though? [19:13] Axtroz: Thanks, I'll give it a shot [19:13] is there a channel for thunderbird or mozilla in general? [19:13] alicephilippa (alice@89.194.67.98) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:13] Necos: same - the X traffic travels through a ssn tunnel [19:13] john_dee (~id@95-29-183-162.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [19:13] right, i just thought of that as i typed it [19:15] slaker (~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:15] _slackin_ (~slackin@rrcs-71-43-120-122.se.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:16] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:17] gartt: you're sshing to the slackware box and you want xclock to pop up on the slackware box? [19:18] GooseYArd: Yeah- but DISPLAY=:0 program_name was in fact what I was looking for, so I'm a happy camper [19:18] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:18] Nick change: coolkehon -> inc0gnito [19:19] yup [19:19] |slackin| (~slackin@97.103.45.124) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:19] |slackin| (~slackin@124.45.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:19] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [19:19] _slackin_ (~slackin@rrcs-71-43-120-122.se.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [19:22] if is there here any one arabic , tell me .... ok .................. thanx all [19:23] My gf speaks Arabic pretty well, but she's not around [19:23] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-25-64.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:23] lol [19:23] not much help there... :P [19:23] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-40-51.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:25] gartt, ho is gf ? [19:25] lol [19:25] rachael (~nnnnracha@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [19:26] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] did he just call your gf a ho? [19:28] gartt, ware is she ? [19:29] willy_ (~willy@190.149.84.76) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:29] Gee, I hope not :P [19:30] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [19:31] anyway , I am here :) [19:32] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@24.159.166.178 expired. [19:32] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@24.159.166.178' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:35] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [19:35] after slackware upgrade : http://pastebin.com/1NPjyGa0 What do I want ? [19:38] depends what file u need keeping [19:38] if u configure some files to ur liking [19:39] regardless even if u overwrite u will still have a backup configuration of ur old file [19:39] where does the default system set LS_OPTIONS ? [19:40] break19, /etc/profile.d/coreutils-dircolors.sh [19:41] alrighty, time to go home :) [19:41] bye byes [19:42] dive: ty [19:42] crashdata, so I chose O ? [19:42] thats what i do [19:43] bye [19:43] crashdata, thanx :) [19:43] then if i have to put backthe original its rename to .orig nways [19:43] yw [19:44] will back -> bye [19:45] farhat (farhat@41.99.118.196) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:45] toallin (~toallin@81.37.172.111) joined ##slackware. [19:46] hello, when my laptop boots my slack tries to set up something like PCCARD intel ISA: not found (that's the message), can i disable it without compiling my kernel_ [19:46] ? [19:47] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-58-139.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:48] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-25-64.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [19:52] toallin: is it enabled in rc.modules? if it isn't then you could use the generic kernel and then make an initrd. you'd then have to enable all the modules you need from rc.modules. [19:52] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:53] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:54] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:54] toallin, check out /etc/rc.d/rc.pcmcia perhaps [19:54] farhat (~farhat@41.99.29.146) joined ##slackware. [19:55] subvwork (~subvwork@1-18-132-169.idt.net) left irc: [19:56] dive, ,yes i have that file, from that file can I disable the auto detection at the startup to prevent the not found meesage and wasting time_ [19:56] ? [19:57] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [19:57] toallin, if you know which pccarc device you have you can put it in that file so it doesn't scan [19:58] toallin, I'm not sure it is that, but going by the error message it may be [19:58] Nick change: inc0gnito -> coolkehon [19:59] toallin, why don't you run '/etc/rc.d/rc.pcmcia restart' in a terminal and see if the error comes [19:59] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:59] no error [20:00] in sent u the output in private [20:00] escaflown (elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [20:00] toallin, please don't pm without asking. [20:00] whats the problem_ [20:01] ? [20:01] can someone point me to a documentation on how to create a swap file? after i installed a system? [20:02] it's better if other people in the channel can see what's happening so they can help too if necesary, so please use a pastebin and post the link here [20:02] also this channel has logs so others can search for problems/solutions [20:02] also can i create a swap file without having to go through system rescue mode? [20:02] crashdata: mkswap(8) ; swapon(8) [20:02] crashdata, this http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-add-a-swap-file-howto/ ? [20:03] ok dive [20:03] thanks [20:03] toallin, can you run /etc/rc.d/rc.modules-`uname -r` and see if there's any error [20:04] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [20:04] http://pastebin.com/BKPdKnBh [20:05] root@Montsegur:/home/toallin# /etc/rc.d/rc.modules-`uname -r` [20:05] Module dependencies up to date (no new kernel modules found). [20:06] which kernel are you using? [20:06] 2.6.32.8 [20:06] huge? [20:07] or generic? [20:07] i ndownloaded from kernel.org [20:08] i answered ur question_ [20:08] ? [20:08] then it's likely something in the kernel comfig [20:08] config* [20:09] shit, i taught was my first time I succeded compiling the kernel [20:09] I would have a good look in it for anything that looks connected with that error [20:09] well you did well if that's the only problem :) [20:10] thank u, yes, commonly i got kernel panic,etc. [20:10] ahaha [20:10] so i cant fix it without compiling again?,i hate to do it [20:10] I think that's the only way [20:11] well,thank u, i think ill leave it [20:12] sure [20:14] PufferFish (~puffy@user-160uvsc.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [20:14] teckan (~Pai@p5B0CAE62.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:15] Linux is the windowsme of the Unice world. Linux is for mentally retarded bitches who ate too many lead paint chips as babies [20:15] WindowsMe [20:15] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:15] Say I have one package installed from a slackbuild. If I recompile the slackbuild such that it has less features, is running `installpkg ` appropriate? I'm concerned the older components will remain on my system. Should I use upgradepkg? [20:16] Use upgradepkg. [20:16] upgradepkg [20:16] Camarade_Tux (~adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:16] Ok thanks. [20:16] Action: jkwood pokes the mods [20:16] PufferFish: go away, you give the rest of us BSD and Solaris lovers a bad name :/ [20:16] but I like eating lead [20:17] has solaris any advantage over linux_ [20:17] ? [20:18] toallin: yes. and linux has advantages over solaris, as well. [20:18] slackaholic (1000@187.69.5.180) joined ##slackware. [20:18] there is no "One True OS" [20:18] PufferFish, the 1980's called - they want their ircii back [20:18] break19 I can't logically give other BSD and Solaris users a bad name due to the philosophical concept of emergent properties [20:18] can u detail the advantage of both them [20:18] break19 true there is no one true OS but Linux is shit pure and simple [20:18] toallin: this isn't the place for that. [20:19] PufferFish: go away troll [20:19] u seem a microsoft's programmer [20:19] hi slackers :D [20:19] ircII 20081115 OpenBSD 4.6 [20:19] hi [20:20] MadneX (~MadneX@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:20] xover (~xover@host86-150-128-26.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [20:21] toallin Solaris has the advantage of Dtrace and ZFS as well as the advantage of running on tried and true real Unix code (it even has BSD code) unlike Linux whose code quality is shit [20:21] toallin: solaris (and/or OpenSolaris) is not quite "Desktop" material. it's great for workstations and/or servers.. the BSDs are basically pure server OS [20:21] Is it a full moon? [20:21] linux, imho has the better hardware support. and therefore, is better for me. [20:21] teckan (~teckan@p5B0CAE62.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [20:21] The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (82% of Full) [20:22] close enough [20:22] ; [20:22] The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (82% of Full) [20:22] anyone here knows a pdf reader with a auto scrolling function [20:22] ) [20:22] obviously, puffer here, has a different idea.. and feels that his choice is the "right" one. [20:22] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] felicitations andarius [20:22] greetings and salutations [20:22] salutations NyteOwl, how goes it ? [20:23] i am trying to use the slackbuild script from slackbuilds.org to compile ffmpeg 0.5 with x264 support and I am getting the error message "libx264 not found", although libx264.so, libx265.a and libx264.so.88 are indeed in /usr/lib64. i have checked and the following args are being passed to ffmpeg configure script: --libdir=/usr/lib64 --shlibdir=/usr/lib64. what the hell am i doing wrong? :\ [20:23] it goes. careful though the trolls are out ;) [20:23] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:23] andarius: "jaw juh" eh? howdy neighbor, then.. kinda [20:23] ok so for individual users linux,for administrators unix [20:23] hi andarius [20:23] Action: andarius gets out his troll tazer (designed specificaly for trolls with built in nuclear cell :o ) [20:23] toallin: google is your friend :) [20:23] hi andarius [20:23] no,google is a capitalist company and im poor [20:24] Oses, like hardware are tools to do a job. chose the one that works best for you [20:24] break19 right because I don't need alot of shoddily hacked drivers created by pimply faced teenagers in their mother's basement for inferior cheap peripherals made in China found at Walmart [20:24] salutations to all you gents ;) [20:24] :) [20:24] teckan: Try passing LIBDIR="-L/lib64 -L/usr/lib64" \ before your configure. [20:24] break BSD supports most of the common hardware you would stick in a workstation and server and that is good enough for me [20:24] PufferFish: Do you like donuts? [20:24] Action: gm152 hopes for another exceptional ban message by rworkman. [20:24] jkwood no because I am a fitness and health fanatic [20:25] jkwood, thanks for the tip. i'll try it and tell you how it goes. [20:25] How about ponies? [20:25] fanatic is definitely the word I'd choose. [20:25] oooh ponies [20:25] real cowboys don't ride ponies (tm) [20:25] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:25] we likes ponies [20:25] thos pimply faced teenagers in their mother's basement of course being Linux E-tards releasing stuff under the GPL as an unpaid workforce of slaves [20:25] do blowfish blow human parts? [20:26] haha [20:26] You didn't answer my question. [20:26] linux are an unpaid slave workforce for IBM and Hewlett Packard for example [20:26] s/exceptional/sensational/ [20:26] linux hackers are an unpadi slave workforce for IBM and Hewlett Packard for example [20:26] s/inpadi/unpaid/ [20:26] derp [20:26] well said [20:27] zTz (~29f8dff6@gateway/web/freenode/x-wchghrinkpylleqh) joined ##slackware. [20:27] I guess you must not know what ponies are. Due to this, I must conclude you have no idea what you're talking about, and move on with my life. I suggest you do the same. [20:27] slackware maybe the least commercial Linux but Linux unlike the BSDs has sold out [20:28] sweet jesus i just ate about 2lb of lasagna [20:28] howto add new user on slackware 13.0 [20:28] GooseYArd, why man? [20:28] zTz: adduser [20:28] zTz: adduser/useradd [20:28] jk@unmotivated:~$ why man [20:28] dive i couldnt stop mself [20:28] bash: why: command not found [20:29] zTz, when you get down to 'additional groups' please press up arrow [20:29] is pooperfish still talking [20:30] pooperfish is googling ponies [20:30] My approval means much to him. [20:31] he wants you to love him [20:31] love me, love my pony [20:31] "Linux has never been about quality there are so many parts of the system that are these cheap little hacks that just happen to run." Theo De Raadt leader of the OpenBSD project [20:31] We're getting bloated, yes it's a problem," Torvalds said, "I'd love to say we have a plan. I mean, sometimes it's a bit sad and we're definitely not the streamlined hyper-efficient kernel that I had envisioned 15 years ago. The kernel is huge and bloated, and our icache footprint is scary. I mean, there is no question about that. And whenever we add a new feature, it only gets worse. [20:31] i have that on vhs [20:31] butterball (~62e7bfe7@gateway/web/freenode/x-xmzjmeuxdexholvm) joined ##slackware. [20:33] Well I use FreeBSD, Open BSD and Slackware. Frankly OpenBSD is a bit limiting as a desktop, but due to the code security that would be acceptible. As I said. Theyare all tools - sue whatever works. [20:33] Necos (1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:33] jkwood, did not solve the problem :( [20:33] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:33] everything sucks except what I use [20:33] Theo is good guy, if a bit acerbic at times [20:33] teckan: Hmm... Are you running the slackbuild with ARCH=x86_64? [20:33] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [20:33] PufferFish (~puffy@user-160uvsc.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:34] i am. [20:34] PufferFish (~puffy@user-160uvsc.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [20:34] maybe i need to place symlinks somewhere? [20:34] I see you're suffering from the superior network stability of BSD. [20:34] NyteOwl I never claimed OpenBSD was the right tool for every job just that linux is shit [20:36] I know you didn't - it was just a comment [20:36] linux isn't that bad. for some things there are better choices. and worse. [20:36] teckan: Looking through my SlackBuild, standby. [20:37] "I think our code quality is higher, just because that's really a big focus for us." -- Theo De Raadt [20:37] thanks :) [20:37] vldmr (1000@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [20:37] As for Linus Torvalds, who created Linux and oversees development, De Raadt says, "I don't know what his focus is at all anymore, but it isn't quality." [20:37] teckan: How about adding --shlibdir=/usr/lib64 ? [20:37] it is there. [20:38] PufferFish: You know that quoting people doesn't make you smart, right? [20:38] win 20 [20:38] We're getting bloated, yes it's a problem," Linus Torvalds said [20:38] PufferFish: have you had puberty yet [20:38] "I'd love to say we have a plan. I mean, sometimes it's a bit sad and we're definitely not the streamlined hyper-efficient kernel that I had envisioned 15 years The kernel is huge and bloated, and our icache footprint is scary. I mean, there is no question about that. And whenever we add a new feature, it only gets worse." says Linus Torvalds [20:38] fail 21 [20:38] Linux is shit [20:39] pufferfish has chosen to love one man over another [20:39] ah idol worship. Don't you just love it? [20:39] he puffs the meat flute [20:39] jkwood, i get in config.err log a "undefined reference to `x264_encoder_open'" right before the exit instruction. [20:40] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [20:40] A self-confessed player of the pink oboe. [20:40] hehe [20:40] Action: PufferFish slams his knee to the inner thigh of GooseYard giving him a severe Charlie Horse than Hammerfists him on the side of the neck knocking him unconcsious via his elite NAVY SEALs like killing machine body [20:40] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] oh wow [20:41] now he's fantasizing about sailors [20:41] and thighs [20:41] Pufferfish: I'm a long time BSD user who now exclusively uses Linux (Slackware). [20:41] dumped FreeBSD [20:41] I'm in elite special forces killing machine physical condition [20:41] am i in a gay bar? [20:41] haha [20:41] GooseYArd: it's in you imagination [20:42] rworkman: ping [20:42] birdlives (~birdlives@96.240.50.121) joined ##slackware. [20:42] At work our servers run FreeBSD, the gatewways run OpenBSD, the telemetry/monito machine is SOlaris. The desktops are Slackware. [20:42] teckan: Digging [20:42] as I said - whatever works [20:43] Slackware is like FreeBSD's mentally retarded kissing cousin unrelated by blood [20:43] there is no logical reason to use slackware instead of FreeBSD [20:43] You're giving us one. [20:44] jkwood I haven't used FreeBSD since like 2001 [20:44] I'd want to use FreeBSD's older packages in ports? [20:44] I use NetBSD, OpenBSD and Windows [20:44] GooseYArd, had to noobfarm that one :) [20:44] hehe [20:44] More proof that drugs continue to affect the brain long after you've quit doing them. Stay clean, kids. [20:44] jkwood, thanks :) [20:44] you dont use them, you irc from them [20:45] Only windows machiens we have is to try and replicate client problems :) [20:45] you arent fit to pick the lint out of theo de raadt's cornhole [20:45] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: sleep [20:46] jkwood, in #ffmpeg i have been asked to provide the output of these two commands. maybe they'll be helpful to you too: http://pastebin.com/CLarZ5xB [20:46] theo de raadt is off somewhere while you're rubbing your balls and ircing [20:46] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:46] Action: hitest is killing himself laughing [20:46] funny stuff, GooseYArd [20:46] the closest you'll get to a real unix developer is maybe you'll park his car [20:47] teckan, try 'grep X264_BUILD /usr/include/x264.h' [20:47] LOL [20:47] fries with that? [20:48] Action: byteframe wonders if 2.6.33 will be in new slackware. Probably not... [20:48] gm152: just an fyi, about "older packages" fbsd 8.0 has kde 4.3.5 in ports.. -current is still at 4.3.4... :) [20:48] GooseYard Pat Volkderding whose penis you suck got the idea to rip off the BSDs with his inferior linux rendition of it (BSD init flat tree bootup etc..) while working for walnut creek which also dealt with BSD [20:48] slackware is just a cheap knockoff of BSD and UNIX [20:48] openbsd is better than you are pooferfish [20:48] Linux is for retrds [20:48] Bea-Ess-Dee [20:48] *retards [20:48] break19: Yeah, but that's not a significant upgrade and it's only one example. [20:49] you arent worthy of bsd [20:49] Linux is for bitches and dumb ones at that [20:49] dive, http://pastebin.com/9aqew4Ja [20:49] yeah sorry just saw that :) [20:49] you're hanging around on a linux channel you fat retard [20:49] youre a phony bsd fan [20:50] you arent even on the right channel you illiterate pube [20:50] GooseYard I have lean muscle with very little fat on my body due to my elite special force exercise regimen [20:50] gm152: to be perfectly honest, I'd likely be using fbsd if they had a native flash player.... but, since they don't, and my 2yr old loves watching cartoons on youtube..... well... [20:50] farhat (~farhat@41.99.29.146) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:50] KILLING MACHINE [20:50] you want my lean muscle in your poop chute is what you want [20:50] He's a droid. [20:50] haha [20:50] You're threatening us over the internet. All that'll get you is a visit from the FBI. [20:50] ahah [20:51] jkwood yeah I'm so sure the FBI is going to protect your Communist asses [20:51] jkwood: I wish I was at work right now and have him threaten me then.. because then he'd be threatening a utility worker.. and that'll getcha into federal prison :) [20:51] eek 76.15.127.140 [20:51] Hey, my donkey's political affiliations are no business of yours, buddy. [20:51] hey shouldnt you be out writing drivers flufferfish [20:51] break19: Granted, FreeBSD has some nice features such as jails and ZFS, I believe. [20:51] PufferFish, marry me. [20:52] alienBOB: ping [20:53] byteframe if you are a female get in line and prepare to fight the competition [20:53] yeah you have to wait for him to finish all the dudes first [20:54] GooseYard black death plague upon you and all linux users : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wm_eMQxX9E [20:54] Hey Poopsquid or whatever you are... The *hardcore* BSD fan. Can you tell me the differences between BSD and Slackware without googling? [20:54] gm152: yea.. I still haven't found my perfect system.. I use KDE. solaris is a gnome-based product, and the crappy kde implementation it offers is.. horrible.. otherwise that would be my system of choice actually.. native flash runs as good as the windows implementation.. it supports -my- hardware (mostly.. still missing powernow support for my cpu, but thats not a problem) [20:54] http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/bsdaemon/bsdaemon.png [20:54] elite satanic song for an elite mascot [20:55] XGizzmo_: ping [20:55] hey [20:55] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] Action: dive looks for the popcorn [20:55] jkwood, dive, i succeeded. i grabbed the last code version from cvn and it worked straight away. i hadn't realized that the tarball was 1 year old... [20:55] Axtroz : http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php [20:55] teckan, ah nice [20:55] Axtroz I'm not reinventing the wheel [20:56] break19: I'd try Solaris again if my SATA disk controller was supported. I ran it once before but gave up on it when it took about 4 minutes to boot to a desktop. [20:56] I SAID NO GOOGLING YOU TARD [20:56] Are you still one of my "special friends"? [20:56] Apparently not. [20:56] Axtroz I don't use google because they run Linux on all their servers TARD. How do you know that wasn't a book mark ? [20:56] freebsd also supports -all- my hardware, runs kde -extremely- well, but. no native flash.. it has to run the linux flash, in it's built-in linux-compatibility layer.. which blows. [20:56] Axtroz you are just another mentally retarded linux user [20:56] ahah [20:56] Currently, I'm quite happy about the stability of Slackware -current on all my boxes. [20:57] Axtraoz Yahoo.com doesn't use Linux and at least partially uses FreeBSD so guess what ? I use Yahoo [20:57] break19: No doubt you're looking forward to html5. [20:57] gm152: what controller? and, as far as the bootup thing goes.. yea.. it can take a bit to boot a fresh install.. subsequent reboots are better... but still bad. [20:58] (it is much funny to see a discussion linux vs freebsd. at least for me, tired of listening to mac fags bullshit and windows addicts all day long. keep entertaining me, please :P) [20:58] Well at least I got a girlfriend and I know what it is to have a social life... Compared to you who has nothing else to do than go troll around the IRC channels talking sh*t, quoting people from years ago and posting some Topics from 5 years ago... [20:58] teckan: ease up on the mac namecalling :) [20:58] oh no [20:59] freenode uses linux boxes [20:59] break19: VIA 6237 or some such. There's a Promise controller also. [20:59] teckfan too bad MacOSX's core Darwin is significantly based on FreeBSD so indirectly the BSDs have already defeated Linux's pathetic around 1% of the marketshare for desktop systems [20:59] TheNexT (thenext@c-68-81-156-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] Linux is for losers [20:59] Thats old news... [20:59] You on repeat? [20:59] Action: hitest pulls up a chair [21:00] I can hear googling [21:00] Or your dictionary got to EOF ? [21:00] teckan: my home has 2 macs (one that works. the other is now a toy for the 2yr old) and 2 pc's. one PC is actually my htpc, running freenas, the other pc is the one I'm on atm [21:00] Action: fire|bird hands hitest some popcorn. [21:00] gm152: ew. yea. [21:01] Action: hitest thanks fire|bird by passing him a beer [21:01] gm152: that off-the-wall stuff.. I have amd chipsets in both my pcs [21:01] slackaholic (1000@187.69.5.180) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:01] is that it then? [21:02] Axtroz neolithic humans 90-130 have a strong social concsiousness where as real geniuses like myself 130-200ish range are introverted with less social consciousness [21:02] :P [21:02] interesting that he get's his history wrong [21:02] So that means that I am mentally damaged but you are more stupid than me? [21:02] break19: These chipsets are on an Asus A8V-Deluxe mobo and supports AMD Athlon processor. [21:02] Dude... With you around I feel like a genius [21:03] Axtroz those Torvalds quotes aren't very old either but relatively recent [21:03] and I should give a damn because... ? [21:03] Action: hitest can hear the words of Wyle E Coyote........"Genius" [21:04] Coz you've spent the last 5 minutes in Linux-hugging google tryin to find something that'll make you look even more idiotic? [21:04] "Super Genius" - let's get the quotes right here :) [21:04] right [21:04] my mistake:) [21:04] U know you could simply say that you did your PC in the Floppy... [21:04] gm152: yea.. my board has the amd 760 chipset. asus M3A78-EMH HDMI in the htpc. and a gigabyte with the amd 770 chipset [21:04] It'll save us some reading and the result will be the same :> [21:04] PufferFish: IQ works off the basis of real age as opposed to mental age. The way you're acting, you're either 85 or 2. [21:04] Action: alisonken1home wonders if he still calls it a cup holder and wonder where it goes at night [21:04] Action: gm152 nods. [21:04] flufferfish is an overweight teenage boy [21:05] jkwood, lol that made me laugh :D [21:05] with an undescended testicle [21:05] Axtroz I didn't spend 5 minutes on that rather you are not the center of the universe. It took my seconds to find that page again since I already knew about it [21:05] LOL [21:05] lmao [21:05] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E3468.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:05] s/my/me/ [21:05] No, I'm not the center of the universe. I'm simply the center of YOUR universe at the moment [21:05] kicking ass and taking names from his home base in mom's basement [21:06] anyone use Streamdvd and streamanalyse for ripping dvd's ? [21:06] in that case, can you name 2 luminaries that began Unix without looking them up anywhere? [21:06] or what Unix even stands for? [21:06] he thought it was eunuchs, thats why he's here [21:07] rofl [21:07] haha [21:07] classic [21:07] haha [21:07] bitter disappointment [21:07] epic [21:07] :d [21:07] he wants a slackware user to give him a right spaking [21:07] spanking [21:07] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E39A0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:07] :( My amusement went google again [21:07] well troll, welcome to the fail bridge. [21:07] lol [21:08] agentc0re why is that are you going to gain OPs somehow and ban me ? [21:08] the funny thing about this is he's ripping on linux but he corrects himself with a sed statement. "PufferFish: s/my/me/" [21:08] nah just laugh [21:08] No, he's going to install a Linux kernel in your dog and he's gonna poop you when you're asleep [21:08] :> [21:08] alisonken1home: Ritchie, Thompson, Kernighan [21:08] Somehow? Are you not aware of how gaining ops works, noob? [21:08] :) [21:08] banning you would be like kicking a retard out of special ed [21:09] Axtroz my landlord won't let me own any pets [21:09] it would be cruel [21:09] NyteOwl: dang - you gave him the answer [21:09] PufferFish: then tell your mom she's mean [21:09] Ofcourse, I suppose it's hard to be a squid and have a dog [21:09] s/landlord/mom/ [21:09] hahaha [21:09] alisonken1home: he'd have just used Bing :p [21:09] i was just typing that [21:09] calling him stupid is an insult to stupid people [21:09] hey at least his capitalization and spelling are pretty good [21:09] granted [21:10] he has spell check [21:10] aspell-i386 ? xD [21:10] Agentc0re man you are a typical retarded Linux bitch : A sed command appeared in Version 7 AT&T UNIX [21:10] hitest: its built into mirc [21:10] le_prof (~prof@dsle235.ody.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:10] yeah [21:10] hehe [21:10] I believe that was the funny part of the sed statement [21:10] or is that too rudimentary? [21:11] oh the irony. [21:11] actually the basic pricipal of UNIX was simplicity over perfection [21:11] or did I use a word that's too big? [21:11] some of that early code was godawful [21:12] NyteOwl Einstein would argue that simplicity is perfection and vice versa [21:12] well, they did have limited hardware back then [21:12] hey version 7 [21:12] thats what bsd ripped off [21:12] alisonken1home: might have, i bet his dad is telling him what to say. He was probably only version 7 himself at the time. [21:12] alisonken1home: it wasn't limited back then, back then it was SOTA :) [21:13] Einstein would also have used his time well isntead of failing to troll people on the internet. [21:13] NyteOwl : "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." -- Albert Einstein [21:13] well done [21:13] GG with google [21:13] oh, wait [21:13] you dont use that [21:13] you use Microsoft BING ? [21:13] OpenBSD is dead simple and so is NetBSD [21:13] xD [21:13] Bing :) [21:13] Action: hitest sees the fail bus pull up [21:13] and you had that 'bookmarked' too right? [21:13] FreeBSD is more convoluted than both [21:13] "OpenBSD is dead" - PufferFish [21:13] LOL [21:14] Actually OpenBSD is not simple in execution - it takes a lok of work to make it effectively simple. [21:14] he's using lmgtfy.com and still wondering why it takes more than two clicks to get his search. [21:14] the simplicity is an illusion [21:14] jkwood, lol [21:14] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [21:14] I must be bored - I'm feeding the trolls [21:14] openbsd is developed by people who would not associate with someone like pifflefish [21:15] PufferFish: ooh, you're famous!! check it shithead, http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1871 [21:15] I think I know thy this guy's so sad [21:15] http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=Why+is+PufferFish+an+idiot%3F [21:15] well, and here I thought the spelling was actually pretty good, then you bring that up :) [21:15] NyteOwl that is a common argument but if you took another operating system and tried to get it as seure as OpenBSD the amount of work it would take would be vastly more than the work it takes to setup and OpenBSD system [21:15] NyteOwl so you fail [21:15] OpenBSD is simple [21:15] s/seure/secure/ [21:16] Action: hitest wanders upstairs for some food...bbl [21:16] secureity != simplicty [21:16] MS Windows is simple as well [21:16] toallin (~toallin@81.37.172.111) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:16] s/and/an/ [21:16] The simplest stuff is easily the most insecure. [21:16] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [21:16] So... designing an OS for security from the get-go will result in more security than not doing so? WELCOME TO SOFTWARE ENGINEERING 101 [21:16] alisonken1home, minor problems - reboot; major problems - reinstall ? [21:16] alisonken1home, I guess it cant get simpler than that [21:16] Axtroz: :) [21:16] haha [21:17] no< OpenBSD started with an insecure codebas e as well. you could do the same path with ANY OS. It has been done with Linux (EnGarde is a code audited distro, albeit semi-commercial one) [21:17] jkwood: ssshuushhh, he might learn something. ;) [21:17] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:17] Problems with IRC... [21:17] No option to vote to kick someone xD [21:17] man its like the special olympics in here [21:17] alisonken1home : Unix is simple it just takes a genius to understand the simplicity. It doesn'ttake a genius to understand Windows. That is the difference [21:17] OS/2 was built with security from the ground up but got undermined by MS and IBM;'s own marketing deartment [21:17] GooseYArd, Whoever wins, he's still a retard? [21:18] s0ulslack (soul@xfce/contributor/s0ulslack) joined ##slackware. [21:18] it's not ahrd to secure an OS - just takes a lot of dedicated work and desire to do so [21:18] yah its like a retard wrestling match [21:18] PufferFish, that's why you're using both, right? [21:18] I mean MS Win + BSD... [21:18] alisonken1home : OpenBSD is more like the traditional Unices than Linux [21:18] PufferFish: It doesn't take a genius to point and click - but it does take a genius to follow the codepath that MS Windows takes - not to mention a ton of cash to get the books [21:18] Then he comes here to complain that some Linux distros cost a few bucks [21:18] ... [21:18] it's so sad that people actually rely on that tired old meme: special olympics [21:19] Linux never prentended to eb like traditional Unices though [21:19] PufferFish: and who said otherwise about Unices and Linux? [21:19] it's based offMinix not Unix [21:19] PufferFish: I'm pretty sure I've already banned you for this shit before. I like OpenBSD, but you're about as annoying as a double dose of laxative while suffering from bronchitis. [21:19] So... [21:19] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@user-160uvsc.cable.mindspring.com' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:19] PufferFish kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Byebye. Say hello to the other kids on the short bus, and help Tommy put on his helmet. [21:19] so far, you're the only one that seems to find that a new relevation [21:19] rworkman: I LOVE YOU WITH A GREAT HUGE LOVE THAT IS GREAT AND ALSO HUGE [21:19] lol [21:19] yay [21:19] And that's the end of that chapter [21:19] oh, he went away. [21:19] Ah, the superb ban message I was waiting for. :) [21:19] NyteOwl: do you believe that Linux is based of Minix? [21:19] rworkman, welcome back to the house, glad u're here :> [21:20] OpenBSD is absed off NertBSD which is based of FreeBSD which is absed off 386BSD which based of BSD which is based of Unix [21:20] sys IV [21:20] NyteOwl: ok ok [21:20] i'm fairly sure he's been trolling ##linux in the past week [21:20] rworkman: pssstt...*i think jkwood is talking about his "wood"... run while you can. [21:20] alisonken1home: in the sense that Minix was what Linus used as a starting point for his desing [21:20] s0ulslack (soul@xfce/contributor/s0ulslack) left ##slackware. [21:20] then you forgot your research - he used minix as his compiler, not as his design point [21:21] rachael (~nnnnracha@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [21:21] minix isn;'t a compiler it's a teaching OS [21:22] for basic OS concepts [21:22] linux is monolithic and minix is not [21:22] It has a compiler, riight? [21:22] slackaholic (1000@187-24-131-195.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:22] NaCl: all OSes do unless you enjoy writing object code by hand :p [21:22] minix is microkernel desing [21:22] well, it's not every day you get to meet a fighting machine navy seal with a 200 IQ but not social conciousness... [21:22] design [21:23] dive: he's either a script, or autistic [21:23] speaking of slackware...is anyone else wrestling with the intel driver in xorg in -current? [21:23] no - works fine on my laptop [21:23] le_prof, what card? mine work fine here [21:23] NyteOwl: :P [21:23] complete with 3d eyecandy [21:23] 865 in a Thinkcentre P4HT [21:24] it's the onboard chipset [21:24] Okay, I'm wrong for this, and I'm just passing it along (seen elsewhere): http://www.googlegoatse.com/ [21:24] justtobein (~justtobei@podvis.rutil.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:25] ahaha [21:25] lol [21:25] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:25] I've seen that guy in a party somewhere... something to do with lemons [21:25] :) [21:26] panzer (~panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) joined ##slackware. [21:26] http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Europe/Greece/Crete/Hania/Gramvousa/photo1041563.htm [21:26] rworkman...are you crackin my webcam? [21:26] brb [21:27] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [21:27] eh? [21:27] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:28] 18:26 http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php [21:28] 18:28 Dude, I also run OpenBSD, since 3.7. You're still a troll, and that shit still doesn't belong in our channel. FOAD. [21:29] wtf? [21:29] 18:28 I don't take your ban personally. I was expecting it since I was trolling [21:29] 18:28 :P [21:29] tell him to stop hitting on you [21:29] hehe [21:29] ask him out on a date [21:30] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) [21:30] The guy is insane. [21:30] 18:29 that kind of trolling has the potential to get some slackware users to try BSD though and slackware users are more likely to be able to handle and learn BSD than an Ubuntu user [21:30] Tell him you'll set him up on a date with ME. That should get rid of him. [21:30] le_prof, um i have this one on my other laptop. what issues are you having with it? [21:31] he's a sycophant [21:31] Action: jkwood runs off with chat logs to BSD forums [21:31] i should tell him i'm a secret agent from berkeley sent to penetrate the secret slackware cabal [21:31] imaging is fine although I have to force the use of the intel driver with xorgsetup [21:32] hahahah.... trying to connect to a box next to me with ssh... wont work... getting mad... Hey.. the cable is unpluged.... [21:32] good one :) [21:32] but kdm won't restart when a user logs out...it's not on now and haven't copied the error msg from the log [21:32] le_prof, with -current or 13 you shouldn't have to [21:33] my 18 month old did it again.... [21:33] i know, but with the stock setup, xorg defaults to the vesa driver [21:34] rworkman: Is that his website? [21:35] le_prof: slackware or slackware64? [21:35] slackware 32bit [21:35] zTz (~29f8dff6@gateway/web/freenode/x-wchghrinkpylleqh) left irc: Quit: Page closed [21:36] le_prof, are you enabling VESA in LILO? [21:36] this card i believe is very sensitive to that [21:36] le_prof: I had a similar issue - go to /extra and install the sv86-video-intel-2.7 driver and remove the 2.8 driver [21:36] now there's a question [21:36] (i.e. if it goes into vesa mode in lilo with the wrong driver, you'll get stuck using that in Xorg as well) [21:37] xf86-video-intel rather [21:37] see if that helps [21:37] slackaholic (1000@187-24-131-195.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:37] i think with my laptop with that card i had to recompile kernel every time to force it to not use the vesa kernel modules (i.e. use intelfb instead) [21:38] alisonken1home: I'll check that out...iirc I updated to 2.8 because I was getting no joy with 2.7 [21:38] bbl...I'm going to go check that out [21:38] have you tried -current yet or stuck with 13.0? 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[22:03] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E39A0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:04] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-58-139.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:06] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-156-137.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [22:07] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:08] jkwood: I don't know [22:09] ManiDhillon (~ManiDhill@117.197.165.29) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:09] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ahh the joys of a fan that moves across your desk on its own... [22:10] rworkman: I won't bother discouraging him from trolling any further, then. [22:11] I've had to ignore him (with /ignore) [22:11] He kept msg'ing me repeatedly [22:11] and this should tell you how often I do that: [22:11] 19:11 Ignore List: [22:11] 19:11 1 PufferFish: ALL [22:11] is busy doing school work so STOP highlighting me. kthnx [22:11] coolkehon: huh? [22:12] Who highlighted you? [22:12] -.- [22:12] to everyone in every channel who though it was funny to highlight me.. its not [22:12] I highlighted him with my mouse. [22:12] coolkehon: sorry about that. [22:13] Some people wonder why they always get picked on... ;-) [22:13] coolkehon: We'll stop. Our deepest apologies. [22:13] Action: coolkehon hugs rworkman [22:13] Action: coolkehon slaps jkwood [22:15] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [22:15] Action: coolkehon is away: -.- [22:17] Action: jkwood slaps coolkehon [22:17] Time to collect all the forks and hand out spoons. [22:17] We don't care. Turn off your away-thingy. [22:19] test complete.... for those who highlighted me, you have 7 hours to live. Have a nice [22:19] Axius (~fd@92.84.1.46) joined ##slackware. [22:20] coolkehon kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: request [22:20] HAHAHA [22:20] coolkehon (~coolkehon@unaffiliated/coolkehon) joined ##slackware. [22:20] -.- [22:20] Oops. [22:20] :D [22:20] :D [22:20] Have a nice... massage? chocolate donut? window to lick? DON'T HOLD OUT ON ME LIKE THIS! [22:20] I prefer vanilla donuts. [22:21] But I hear they're all doughy inside. [22:21] Yeah, me too. [22:21] rworkman: I don't plan to verify that. [22:22] teckan_ (~teckan@p5B0CFA76.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [22:22] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:23] jelly donuts FTW [22:23] E03 [22:24] danc3: ooh, yes, jelly makes them better. [22:24] XGizzmo: live a little, man. [22:24] jelly makes nearly *anything* better. ;) [22:24] Action: jkwood realizes he may have missed some significance [22:24] I just showed googlegoatse to my wife. She was only mildly amused. [22:24] heh [22:25] She saw the lemonparty resemblance too though. [22:25] GooseYArd: ^ :) [22:25] rworkman: wtf would you show your wife that? [22:25] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [22:25] Action: invictus laughs [22:25] teckan (~teckan@p5B0CAE62.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:26] Why not? :) [22:26] Action: jkwood remembers a day when mentioning such things would result in aharsh warning [22:26] disgusting and gaping come to mind in one sentence? [22:26] http://googlegoatse.com <- Completely safe for work. [22:26] invictus: my wife is an RN in the surgery unit. She's hard to disgust. [22:27] rworkman: good point. [22:28] christ that pic of the old man is wrong in it's own right [22:28] macman_ (~macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: Disconnected by services [22:28] and the hands holding the O in the goatse logo... blegh [22:28] I don't think Jesus ircs here, invictus. [22:28] rworkman: Next time you guys go out to eat ask her "I wonder who used your fork last" see if that works. [22:28] jkwood: your point? [22:29] Talking to Him here probably won't do any good, that's all. [22:29] you're witty tonight [22:30] jkwood is always witty [22:31] teckan_ (~teckan@p5B0CFA76.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:31] I've had a tooth driving me nuts for six months that I finally got rid a week or two ago. My will to live has come back. [22:31] Also, I have to be witty - in all other respects, I'm witless. [22:31] jkwood: again, talking to jesus in here probably won't do any good ;) [22:32] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:33] No, but when I do it, it can be blamed on the insanity. [22:33] Or at least my tendency to ramble. [22:33] anyone in here experienced with tmux? [22:33] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [22:33] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:33] Action: invictus wants some thoughts in contrast to screen [22:35] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:35] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [22:36] jkwood: i do my best to refrain from that urge in observance that "the more one speaks the more common one appears, thus less in control" [22:36] Has anybody successfully gotten pulse audio to work? [22:37] nope no one ever has. [22:37] birdlives: Not recently. I think Slackware is developing an immunity. [22:37] seriously now [22:37] I followed the slackbuilds, got it to create a package. But it won't run [22:38] invictus: Quite deep. [22:38] birdlives: Did you create the proper groups and add yourself to them? [22:38] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:38] jkwood: nah, just something from this book called 48 laws of power... not too bad [22:38] :) [22:39] jkwood: I basically copypasted what it said on the slackbuilds page. Was I supposed to change it a bit? [22:39] Action: jkwood looks [22:39] invictus: I've heard of it. Supposed to be pretty insightful. [22:40] vldmr (1000@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:41] birdlives: Looks alright to me. How are you starting the sound server? [22:41] _slackin_ (~slackin@124.45.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:42] jkwood: I just do 'pulseaudio --start' ; and it returns E: main.c: Daemon startup failed [22:42] and i've googled this all day. But all the answers are distro specific [22:42] Does it create a script in /etc/rc.d? [22:42] |slackin| (~slackin@124.45.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:43] no it does not [22:43] Most interesting. [22:43] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:44] teckan (~teckan@p5B0CFA76.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] anyone here using chrome? [22:45] XGizzmo: I'll try that :) [22:45] One thing I did change though, I couldn't get the original source link in slackbuilds to compile. So I just downloaded the newest one and that compiled, but it won't work [22:46] Patero-ng (~Basura@174-23-32-105.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] hello [22:46] I need info on activating my infrared [22:46] for a infrared keyboard [22:46] in google-chrome, in which folder where should i place the adobe flash plugin? (slackware 64bit) [22:46] it's a neat keyboar/mouse [22:47] I can't really say, birdlives. I haven't built pulseaudio on Slackware at all (just my old Slamd64 install, and I didn't do much with it there.) [22:48] Patero-ng (~Basura@174-23-32-105.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:49] Wow, he didn't cuss us out this time. [22:49] jkwood: alright, thanks for your help. I will continue my quest [22:49] teckan: I'm checking on the flash thing, nothing I can find on the ffmpeg thing. [22:50] teckan: try putting libflashplayerplugin.so in /opt/google/chrome/plugins ? [22:51] That, or symlinking it there. [22:51] jkwood, it is in both /opt/google/chrome/plugins and /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins, but it is not recognized neither by firefox nor chrome [22:51] geronimo9 (~irchon@c-68-53-76-14.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:52] but i have got libflashplayer.so and not libflashplayerplugin.so [22:52] That's the right one, then. [22:53] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [22:53] hm, wait [22:53] It's probably a permissions issue, for Firefox. For Chrome, you need to start it with --enable-plugins [22:53] file tells me it is a binary for 32bit systems. may this be the problem? [22:54] If you're running 64-bit, you'll want teh 64-bit plugin. [22:54] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/flash-player-plugin/ [22:57] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [23:01] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:01] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [23:03] geronimo9 (~irchon@c-68-53-76-14.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:07] birdlives, there's a pulseaudio package in GSB, you might want to try that [23:07] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [23:08] Axtrox: Oh cool thanks. Looking at it right now [23:14] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:15] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:17] NyteOwl (sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: Molon Labe [23:20] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@user-160uvsc.cable.mindspring.com expired. [23:20] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@user-160uvsc.cable.mindspring.com' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [23:23] teckan (~teckan@p5B0CFA76.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:28] Nick change: break19 -> brb [23:28] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:28] brb (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: toldya [23:31] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:31] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. 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[23:46] in /etc/profile.d i believe [23:49] thanks :) [23:51] StonedSlacker (1000@cpe-024-074-031-049.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:52] alienBOB: btw, for the KDE 4.4 packages, libssh is needed for the sftp:// protocol, in case you didn't already know. [23:53] Where do I start when troubleshooting sound? [23:55] alsaconf and then alsamixer [23:55] alsaconf, cool. Thanks [23:55] np [23:56] also: "alsactl store" (as root) once you get things tweaked [23:56] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [23:56] Pentode (~Sam@unaffiliated/pentode) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Thu Feb 25 2010