[00:00] danger zone [00:00] Ahh, not at all the same then. [00:00] fuck i love this dvr [00:00] captain falcon uses the falcon punch [00:00] it is used for abortions [00:00] how does vlc and its plugin compare to mplayer and mplayer plugin? [00:00] vlc refuses to run as root. [00:02] what with a lot of websites turning to flash i havent had much use of mplayer pluging as of late [00:02] i really hate flash [00:03] and java [00:04] whats worse than a web site in flash? website in pdf [00:04] Action: stitchman throws up. [00:04] powdered donuts would be good right now [00:04] pdf is overused [00:04] especially for things that never need printing [00:06] my wife was on an older laptop running knoppix and she went to a site requiring flash. i explained about developers that only assume people use flash and how others like blind people use other software, and she totally thought developers were dumb, she knows next to nothing about computers btw. [00:07] nix_chix0r, get some [00:07] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:07] it's cold outside:( [00:07] so cold the auto starter wont turn on [00:07] flash pretty much makes a site automatically disqualified from being compliant with any disability standards [00:08] nix_chix0r, make your bf do it, you're suppose to be disabled anyways [00:08] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.81) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:08] im layin on the love seat, he's passed out on the other i dont dare wake him [00:09] nix_chix0r: on the love seat, bow chicka bow wow [00:09] lol [00:09] i'll just watch my life time movie and fantasize [00:09] ewww [00:09] mmm donuts [00:09] Action: SiegeX puts $0.50 into the love seat [00:09] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:09] those movies suck [00:09] nix_chix0r, scifi FTW! [00:09] SiegeX: aka, the pimp [00:09] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.81) joined ##slackware. [00:10] hahaha [00:10] my couch isn't that ghetto that it vibrates [00:10] woah [00:10] =p [00:10] my face [00:10] i have a nice house:P [00:10] with a dead pony in the basement cause edman007 can't figure out his address to send a real live pony with out fail [00:10] nix_chix0r, your whole house vibrates?! [00:11] nix_chix0r, just address it "edman007", they know who i am and how to contact me [00:11] oooh so that's what i did wrong! [00:11] who wants a sun microsystem monitor for free oh what a steal:p [00:12] nix_chix0r: crt? [00:12] yeah [00:12] how big? [00:12] nix_chix0r, i'll take the TV for you... [00:12] 17inch, edman007 the tv i think i'll keep [00:12] you can have my unborn child [00:12] i have a 19 inch sun crt, i'll be fine :) [00:12] putting him up for adoption already? [00:13] nix_chix0r: oh are you ACTUALLY preggo? [00:13] Action: SiegeX takes back his $0.50 [00:13] hah yeah man [00:13] congrats! [00:13] i want him out:| [00:13] soon you'll have a little nix_chix0r running around unplugging computers [00:13] nix_chix0r, are you the type that is going to leave a fetus in the trash can? [00:13] he's the reason i'm sleeping on the couch my mattress is too soft [00:14] or 20 trash cans... [00:14] edman007: loool [00:15] 20 trash cans are better than one [00:15] makes it harder to trace [00:15] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:15] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-205.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] i take it you dont want it? [00:16] haha i do i just want him out [00:16] how far along are you [00:16] 32weeks [00:16] nix_chix0r, don't worry, its not human, he will eat his way out in a few days [00:16] that reminds me of a joke I read on reddit today... [00:16] only 2 months more [00:17] "Lady in labour, shouting the usual shit, "Get this out of me! Give me the drugs!" She turns to her boyfriend and says, "You did this to me, you fucker!" He casually replies, "If you remember, I wanted to stick it up your arse, but you said, 'fuck off it'll be too painful.'" [00:17] lol [00:17] rofl [00:17] hahahahahaha [00:17] yeah i'm pretty sure if they just give me the good stuff i will be chill about it [00:17] morphine drip oh yes plz [00:18] SiegeX, were you reading the big thread on reddit with the million dead baby jokes too? [00:18] did you take any prenatal classes? [00:18] by then if i find out he's like 13pounds or some shit it'll be a piece of cake [00:18] nah those classes are really lame [00:18] nix_chix0r: Just crack open a 5th of Jack when the water breaks, and down it before you get to the hospital. ;) [00:18] stitchman, nix_chix0r is going to learn the hardware [00:18] *hard way [00:18] i see [00:19] im glad i went to those things, showed me what to expect [00:19] So, anyone have any ideas about these "unsupported character set" erros I get in my cups/error_log ? [00:19] nix_chix0r is going to drop the baby on his head the first day [00:19] o0 [00:19] FriedBob: shhh we're talking about babies [00:19] edman007, i'm not a noob [00:19] FriedBob: it seems your character sets are unsupported [00:19] When did this become ##babies? [00:19] vlc done! [00:20] you look like a n00b, act like a n00b, so i say you are a n00b [00:20] pah [00:20] FriedBob, when nix_chix0r rolled in [00:20] there'll be no birthin' no babies in her none of that [00:20] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.151.89) left irc: "leaving" [00:20] gettit? cause her belly is round [00:21] Action: edman007 gets that thread with the crapload of baby jokes [00:21] edman007, and to think i bought you dinner you meanie [00:21] lol [00:21] i didnt make you put out [00:21] Seriously though, I've been fighting with thesedamn printers, CUPS and samba for over a week now. [00:22] pregnant chicks are hot [00:22] FriedBob whats the make of the printer? [00:22] i think he should put out now [00:22] you owe me for that steak [00:22] HP PhotoSmart C5250 and HP DeskJet 610CL [00:22] that sucks [00:22] oh HP's are usually pretty tame huh? [00:22] I have been lucky with my printers [00:23] I can print from both via CUPS web admin - just not from OS X, XP or Vista though all three can see the printers [00:23] nix_chix0r: i'll put out for him [00:23] like, as his champion [00:23] hmm [00:23] i have an i80 and an hp1220c and they both work in the good category [00:23] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [00:23] deal [00:23] FriedBob i know what the problem is, OS X, XP, and Vista are not slack [00:23] nix_chix0r, you're going to pop! [00:24] edman007, what a better way to pop:P [00:24] I had been getting "access denied" but changed my samba to share rather than user, not I am just getting the charset errors. [00:24] lol [00:24] nix_chix0r: how much do i need to put out? [00:25] spook, she wants money [00:25] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) joined ##slackware. [00:25] edman007: :( [00:25] isnt that what all women want, money? [00:25] well i think it was around 50bucks [00:25] she won't even give me a pony [00:26] ask for pussy instead [00:26] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejm211.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:27] did you know, you cant make cheese from human breast milk [00:27] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.165) left irc: "Leaving." [00:27] Action: TwinReverb folds foldingstock [00:27] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejb40.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [00:27] Action: TwinReverb changes foldingstock 's name to foldedstock [00:27] :P [00:27] Heya TwinReverb [00:28] Action: spook lowers the reverb on TwinReverb [00:28] Action: spook changes TwinReverb's name to Twin [00:29] :( [00:29] Action: TwinReverb hisses [00:30] Action: FriedBob cranks the reverb back up and changes Twin's name to QuadReverb [00:30] :S [00:30] spook, says who? i'm sure you could, but maybe not using standard methods [00:30] Action: spook cranks the main driver and overload to 10 [00:30] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:31] Anyways... back to something actually on topic? ;) [00:31] edman007: no you can't. and physics says so [00:31] Action: spook changes TwinReverb's name to BlownSpeaker [00:32] :( [00:32] spook, cheese is rotten milk fat, you just have to extract the fat and let it rot under the proper conditions, there is nothing different about humans that is going to prevent that [00:32] FriedBob, um twin = 2 x 12" speakers. quad = half stack (4 x 12") :P [00:32] spook, i have celestion classic leads. blowing a speaker is almost impossible :P [00:33] TwinReverb, lies [00:33] hey is there a trustworthy site that just posts samples of multimedia using different codecs? [00:33] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:33] Action: TwinReverb stabs edman007 [00:33] hook it up to 12VDC from your care [00:33] s/care/car/ [00:33] if you crank everything to max, you can blow a speaker. [00:33] if your speakers can't handle it, sure [00:33] and run them at 3x the max specified voltage [00:34] TwinReverb, i want to see that speaker handle ~5kW the car can put out [00:34] i cant believe theres a wikipedia entry for MS comic chat [00:34] my first irc client [00:34] lol. [00:35] irc is multiplayer notepad [00:35] edman007, twin reverbs break glass on cars [00:36] afk [00:37] TwinReverb, yea, but speakers are designed for AC, with DC you get pure heating of the coils, DC watts will do much more damage to a speaker than AC watts wince you get no audio output, it all goes to the coils [00:37] renew02 (n=renew@adsl-99-139-49-221.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:37] renew01 (n=renew@adsl-99-139-49-221.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:38] and a car battery will have no problem blowing any speaker rated for under 10kW or so [00:40] edman007, uh the output to the speakers is always ac, period [00:40] music has frequencies [00:40] blowing? considering the load presented and the current on tap i would bet for an instant melt down :o [00:40] at least last time i checked [00:40] DC is not a sign wave [00:40] TwinReverb, yea, but i said try hooking it up to DC on your car, since you said they are difficult to blow [00:40] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.80.196.49) left irc: ""... de mañana oirás mi voz; De mañana me presentaré delante de ti, y esperaré."" [00:40] therefor produces no frequencies [00:41] oh [00:41] you will blow the speaker easily with DC [00:41] well that would be more of a melt / mechanically blow [00:41] dejai (n=dejai@230.15.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [00:41] not as impressive as a "blown by high volume music" [00:41] TwinReverb, smoke and fire more likely... [00:41] most high volume blows come from clipped signals and shitty amps [00:43] High volume blows? Is that like when a brothel has a drive thru? [00:43] lol [00:43] TwinReverb, and i consider fire more impressive :P [00:43] So, is it that no one is able to help me, or that no one is willing? [00:44] FriedBob, do you have logs? [00:44] edman007: Yeah, like a million lines of unsupported character set "iso-8859-1" [00:45] what are you printing from? and to? [00:45] using ipp? [00:46] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [00:46] HP Photosmart C5250 attached to Slack using CUPS, shared over SMB to an OS X, XP and Vista machine (one each) [00:47] does it print from the slack box? does the test page work? [00:47] Test page works from cups web admin [00:48] is OSX configured with the RAW driver? [00:48] I think so. I haven't tried from OS X after I got it added. [00:49] I don't really care aout it, I rarely print from my Mac, and can print to pdf and transfer if I need to. [00:49] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:49] OSX should just work if you print using the RAW driver to the slack box (which means you have to use the web GUI) [00:49] oh, so then this is a windows only problem? [00:49] Printing from my XP box is more important, because if I can do that, I can print from my wife's Vista laptop - and that is the pointof all this. [00:50] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:50] alright, well how is windows configured to print to it? [00:51] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:51] Printing from OS X is no problem - I just tested it. [00:51] nice [00:52] so how is windows configured to print? [00:52] Add printer -> network printer -> browse -> find server -> find printer -> install driver since it's not on the server [00:52] uhh, i don't think you should do that [00:53] I tried to do it directly via CUPS, and kept getting access denied. [00:53] linux CUPS does all processing server side, so the client should not use a driver, at all [00:53] It's setup for printing via SMB [00:53] FriedBob, oh, you can access the printer page? [00:53] Just like the mac [00:53] The|Back| (n=backdoor@41.22.245.36) left irc: [00:53] s/can/can't/ [00:54] I have the printer added, I try to print a test page from winbox, nothign happens and I see errors about charsets in cups log [00:54] can you view the printer info page from the windows box? [00:55] I can, though location is blank in properties [00:56] location is blank? [00:56] use FF, IE sucks [00:56] It's not autofill, so never mind [00:57] what info page are you referring to? The cups one? [00:57] FriedBob, yes [00:57] does cups let you view the status of the printer in the web admin from the windows box? [01:00] Yeah, now I can. But when I try to print a test page this way I get redirected to an https and it fails. [01:00] Do any of you happen to have a script that has something like readline? [01:01] But I know how to fix that. [01:02] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [01:02] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.81) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [01:04] Hmm [01:04] I can access /admin, but trying to print a test page still redircts. [01:04] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:04] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [01:05] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:05] FriedBob, sorry, but i got to go, all i can say is verify that windows is using the correct drivers and such, as it is right now it sounds like you have it using a driver and sending the parsed thing to CUPS, which won't work, you need to configure it to send the raw data [01:06] anyways, i need sleep, so night [01:06] hehe. i though i had been hacked [01:06] hey i found something really strange in a website and i'm not sure what to think of it. i'm posting the link in a pastebin. http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/9919 [01:06] line 19 [01:06] turns out it was some ascii art from fortune. [01:07] nullboy, that's pretty ridiculous. [01:07] WTF [01:07] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:08] nullboy, hacked by a VERY stupid script kiddie is my guess [01:08] that's making me rage again [01:08] time for tea. [01:08] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left ##slackware. 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[01:44] renew02 (n=renew@adsl-99-139-49-221.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:44] renew02 (n=renew@adsl-99-139-49-221.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:44] hackedhead, www.k9copy.org [01:44] reallove (n=dan@dan.btn.ro) joined ##slackware. [01:44] i want to be able to apply a lower resolution but still have the higher resolution(s) available just in case i will need them (i hate to restart x11 for that) [01:44] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:44] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left ##slackware. [01:45] zuntak, i don't know [01:45] rAWjAW (n=rAWjAW@unaffiliated/rawjaw) joined ##slackware. [01:45] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@c-98-223-41-15.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:45] TwinReverb: i've been there, and it doesn't list kde specifically,but the slackbuild.org script uses kde-config... [01:45] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [01:47] zuntak, you can specify a default display res lower than the max that's available in kde, or xfce. I don't think fluxbox can. [01:48] Action: TwinReverb prefers to set only the max resolution of LCD monitors so that xorg.conf has no choice :D [01:48] renew02 (n=renew@adsl-99-139-49-221.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:48] renew02 (n=renew@adsl-99-139-49-221.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:48] Old_Fogie: i would need a "clean xinit" solution (which would then support any minimalistic de, fluxbox included) [01:49] renew02 (n=renew@adsl-99-139-49-221.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:49] renew02 (n=renew@adsl-99-139-49-221.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[02:56] nothing [02:56] unless you need additional modules [02:56] (and you used something else than the kernel) [02:56] so you take it out and nothing bad happens? [02:57] lol [02:57] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-351793.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:58] something very military just took off from the naval base and tore out over the pacific [02:58] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left ##slackware. [02:58] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:58] morning slackers [02:58] hi lw0x15 [02:59] Action: lw0x15 woo there is a bit of snow outside [03:00] Action: Camarade_Tux is going to skiing today ;) [03:00] s/to // [03:00] go sking now [03:00] or you'll be late [03:01] man i cant remember last time i went down hill on sledges [03:01] must be like 5+ years now [03:02] superGear, actually we take the coach at 12 and will ski for a whole week :) [03:02] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. 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[03:08] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:08] woot, I won't have to wash my clothes, I have enough of them for a week \o/ [03:08] :)) [03:09] i dont usually bother changing clothes everyday [03:09] i just keep one pair of pants and hoodie for the week [03:10] renew02 (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:10] yeah but the problem was underwear and shirts ;) [03:11] oh [03:11] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] Action: superGear makes sure to to go around lw0x15 [03:12] :)) [03:16] why do I always have to get one sock left when pairing my socks ? ='( [03:17] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.165) joined ##slackware. [03:20] actually there are three socks I can't pair :'( [03:20] happens to me all the time [03:20] once i found a sock inside my box :s [03:21] ^^ [03:23] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:23] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [03:24] I'm quite happy, I managed to get 8 pairs of socks, 8 t-shirts and 7 undies [03:24] hehe [03:26] eight undies \o/ [03:28] zerox0 (n=zeroXzer@59.93.10.243) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:28] Camarade_Tux: sometimes my socks just get lost and i cant find them [03:28] i mean lots of socks [03:28] not just 1 or 2 [03:29] zerox0 (n=zeroXzer@59.93.3.94) joined ##slackware. [03:29] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [03:32] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left ##slackware. 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[03:46] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:47] need some kind of trap for those bastards [03:47] :-/ [03:47] chikanz! [03:50] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [03:52] krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [03:52] umz (n=umz@58-27-160-88.wateen.net) joined ##slackware. [03:52] hi [03:53] hello [03:53] I installed dropline and it messed up everything in my slack12.1 [03:53] I need some help [03:53] I uninstalled the damn dropline [03:53] but it removed many libs [03:53] don't know what dropline is [03:53] I can't run Firefox [03:53] hmmm dropline is lame pissed off kinda gnome pkg for slack [03:54] is there any way I can update my slack libs to current slack [03:54] ? [03:54] automated way [03:54] ? [03:54] umz@laptop:~$ firefox [03:54] which: no aria in (/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib/java/bin:/usr/lib/java/jre/bin:/usr/lib/java/bin:/usr/lib/java/jre/bin:/usr/lib/qt/bin:/usr/share/texmf/bin:.) [03:54] am having such kinda errors [03:54] hardly ran the xchat [03:54] :s [03:55] does slack not use iproute2? [03:55] umz: that's your flashgot spam [03:55] umz: the extension [03:55] nopes Old_Fogie [03:56] when i try to download the file [03:56] let me show u the log [03:56] wait, that question is absurd isn't it? i should keep reading... [03:56] krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:57] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [03:57] /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.5/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: cairo_format_stride_for_width [03:57] umz: Firefox (without the flashgot extension) does _not_ look for "aria" [03:57] see Old_Fogie [03:57] ok leave the flashgot stuff [03:58] I don't get it. "ip link list" is supposed to be the newer, more feature rich way to look at interfaces, but it looks the same as ifconfig -a, only disorganized [03:58] when i simply try to save any file from http [03:58] Amallya (n=Adyna@89.137.201.44) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:58] well you pasted flashgot spam, [03:58] it get this error [03:58] so I thought that was the issue [03:58] :D [03:58] well i can't paste whole log.. [03:58] Old_Fogie, any way to update all my libs to current slack [03:58] any way? [03:58] well, you gotta paste the part that applies to what you need :D [03:59] Old_Fogie, my flash got was working fine before shitty dropline [03:59] anyways [03:59] anysolution [03:59] arny (n=arny@79.119.151.239) joined ##slackware. [03:59] superGear (n=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:59] dscpl0 (n=sulo@cpe.atm2-0-76461.0x535af6fe.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:59] Hi [03:59] yeah your firefox is calling for a gtk different than (or is missing) on your box [03:59] the gtk+2 package [04:00] umz: what slack version you running? [04:00] I can't find that pkg on my cd [04:00] slack12.1 [04:00] umz: well installing dropline either broke your firefox or your gtk+2 or both. so you gotta address that. [04:00] thats the problem. [04:00] lolz.. [04:01] dropline broke everything man [04:01] (reinstall everything ?) [04:01] umz: no you broke it, [04:01] i wasn't even able to run xchat [04:01] umz: see dropline with their gtk and their firefox works, you did something wrong [04:01] it had a damn cli installer in it [04:01] no surprise, xchat uses gtk [04:01] but you can fix it none theless [04:01] dont blame [04:01] it had a damn cli installer in it <-- that's how I like it [04:02] guide me for solution [04:02] umm, no [04:02] can't reinstall i did a lot of effort ot install many things on it [04:02] I told you what's broken, that's the fun..you break it you get to keep the peices [04:02] specially my drivers I dunt even remember which 1 worked out lol... [04:02] it's not a "reinstall" [04:02] you only got possibly two apps that need to be addressed [04:02] (reinstall everything ?) -------->>> it was for him.. [04:03] dscpl0 (n=sulo@cpe.atm2-0-76461.0x535af6fe.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) left irc: "Leaving" [04:04] which lib should I install for this /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: cairo_format_stride_for_width [04:04] umz: go to #dropline or their forums if you have questions, we dont support the gnome projects here in ##slackware. but your problem is the gtk+2 package (and maybe more, who knows what you did) [04:04] umz (n=umz@58-27-160-88.wateen.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:05] you can lead a horse to water [04:05] umz (n=umz@58-27-160-88.wateen.net) joined ##slackware. [04:05] sorry [04:05] back [04:05] Old_Fogie, I have reinstalled every gtk pkgs [04:06] infact i did installpkg *.tgz slackware/l/ [04:06] lol [04:06] nothing left now [04:06] umz: and you still have dropline on there? [04:06] they issue their own firefox [04:06] nopes i did remove it very 1st minute [04:07] well i reinstalled my FF version [04:07] ls /var/log/packages/ |grep firefox <--- pastebin that pls [04:07] wait..wait..wait you ran "installpkg *tgz" in the 'l' section? [04:07] http://pastebin.com/m49f22a6a [04:07] yups.. [04:08] umz: you ran installpkg *tgz with dropline onboard? [04:08] nopes [04:08] i removed dropline [04:08] then my FF xchat and other stuff wasn't working [04:08] eventhough after installing i had permission issue with /dev/dsp [04:08] lol [04:08] there's nothing there in pastbin [04:09] anyways.. http://pastebin.com/m42513a4d [04:09] it is ther man [04:09] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [04:09] that's a diff number [04:10] right you got 3 versions of firefox onboard [04:10] sorry for that Old_Fogie my head is about to explode [04:10] lol [04:10] you didnt remove dropline completely [04:10] well yeah am removing the other 2 [04:10] ---and slackware 12.1 didnt have version 3 ff either [04:10] well that freaky gui had uninstall option [04:10] the en_us tells me your using slacky.eu too [04:10] well version 3 FF was installed by me earlier [04:11] so you got slapt-get going, and dropline and a whole mess of FAIL there [04:11] about a month before from slack repository [04:11] umz: installpkg does not replace a package [04:11] krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [04:11] well according to dropline gui I have uninstalled everything [04:11] umz: so if you have firfox version 2 onboard right... [04:11] then you have to go "upgradepkg mozilla-firefox...." [04:12] _not_ installpkg [04:12] i removed those damn pkgs of FF 3 [04:12] there in your pastebin [04:12] yeah [04:12] right..so they _are_ onboard :) [04:12] they were [04:12] not on [04:12] :) [04:12] they're installed [04:13] ls /var/log/packages shows what's installed [04:13] you really need to read the man page for installpkg and upgradepkg [04:13] well thanks for critisim [04:13] i will do that [04:13] for sure [04:14] umz: it's not critiscm, [04:14] umz: it's just how it is [04:14] what I know that it was freaking working fine before dropline [04:14] anyways [04:14] the two pktool are different now [04:14] dscpl0 (n=sulo@cpe.atm2-0-76461.0x535af6fe.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:14] installpkg nowadays installs another version without warning [04:14] ahan [04:14] and you can have two versions [04:14] and a complete mess like you have now [04:14] anyways i removed older [04:14] and upgraded to new one [04:14] still have gtk issue [04:15] which is the application to print keycodes from mouse or keyboard in xorg? [04:15] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:15] I wouldn't dout you have multiple libs and depends on there if you have 3 firefox's but think you removed them, etc etc [04:15] dscpl0, xev [04:15] umz: thanks! [04:15] np dscpl0 [04:16] umz: fwiw your /dev/dsp is probably that your user isn't in the 'audio' group in /etc/group file. [04:16] well Old_Fogie I fixed that [04:16] Old_Fogie, what am I suppose to do with the libs now? [04:16] remove all and install all of them again [04:16] ? [04:17] renew (n=renew@adsl-67-127-53-245.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [04:18] hard to say really. going thru /var/log/packages finding duplicates of packages, removing them and not breaking another and comparing it to stock slackware list, vs slacky's list and dropline...I dont know, may be better of reinstalling. just my 0.02$ [04:19] well i guess I should do something like check out the libs from /var/lib/packages and compare them with the one in stock [04:20] I have the list of dropline pkgs [04:20] /var/log/packages/ [04:20] i remeber [04:20] how can I detect two pkgs of same lib? [04:20] i mean using scripting [04:20] grep wont help much [04:21] shouldn't I use slapt-get --dist-upgrade? [04:21] lol [04:21] I use an app called fdupes, but others use a really long line in bash to do it. I dont have that command to give ya, maybe someone else here does, dont know. [04:22] slapt-get..no [04:22] hmmm ? [04:22] or...just run down the list line for line in /var/log/packages/ [04:23] ahan.. how do i determine that whether it is from stock or did by dropline [04:23] manually comparing with the dropline packages list? [04:23] ask dropline? [04:24] i guess I should start from doing removepkg /drop_pkgs/ [04:24] using some script [04:26] dscpl0 (n=sulo@cpe.atm2-0-76461.0x535af6fe.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) left irc: "Leaving" [04:29] zerox0 (n=zeroXzer@59.93.3.94) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:29] zerox0 (n=zeroXzer@59.93.32.103) joined ##slackware. [04:32] krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:33] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [04:33] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. 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[04:52] i need something for explaining "why cant i just do chmod 777 * " [04:56] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: Client Quit [05:04] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn120.91-127-190.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [05:05] sree|0x0 (n=zeroXzer@59.93.19.234) joined ##slackware. [05:07] zerox0 (n=zeroXzer@59.93.32.103) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:14] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:15] nooper (i=nooper@anapnea.net) left irc: "There is no spoon" [05:15] nooper (i=nooper@2001:41c8:0:866:21c:c0ff:fe7f:7198) joined ##slackware. [05:18] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejb40.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:18] Argh, I lost a soap ! [05:19] don't bend over in the shower to look for it [05:20] mefisto, it ensures some basic security [05:20] well .. ho can i beat it into someones head ? [05:21] i get the "but im am only one who is using this PC" [05:21] Urchlay, hehe ;p [05:21] mefisto: don't. Just let whoever it is try it, and when things go horribly wrong, you can say "See? I told you so" [05:21] Explain to them that the reason Windows has so many viruses is because Administrator is the default account. [05:23] If they get any code that wants to write to /, and everything is rwxrwxrwx, that code (web browser vulnerability, trojan, wicked cool shell script with malicious code) is going to have free reign in the system [05:23] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "ski" [05:23] Hmm, let me see if I can dredge up some articles. It is worth trying to explain to them. This is fundamental stuff. [05:25] spmd (n=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [05:33] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [05:33] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) joined ##slackware. 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[06:12] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.16.254) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:12] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [06:22] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [06:25] lightbulbjim (n=jim@203.171.93.108.static.rev.aanet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:27] tntslack (n=will@adsl14-27.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:30] "This may come as something of a shock to many who fell for the 'sendmail effect', which teaches us that any complex technology which doesn't come with documentation must be the best available." [06:38] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [06:38] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:49] GOOCH (n=gooch@124.170.178.101) joined ##slackware. [06:49] lightbulbjim (n=jim@203.171.93.108.static.rev.aanet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:52] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. 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[07:04] i've find in it and linuxquestion [07:04] but i don't know how to do it [07:05] result from lspci command: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN [07:06] but do you have wifi connection ? [07:06] yes, i have [07:06] i've deleted windows partition and install this [07:06] in windows, it's work correctly [07:06] the led is light [07:06] root@vietpa:~# iwconfig [07:06] lo no wireless extensions. [07:06] eth0 no wireless extensions. [07:06] wmaster0 no wireless extensions. [07:06] wlan0 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:"" [07:06] Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz Access Point: Not-Associated [07:07] Tx-Power=0 dBm [07:07] Retry min limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr=2352 B [07:07] mefisto (n=mef`@zelli-kojas.lanet.lv) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:07] Encryption key:off [07:07] Power Management:off [07:07] Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 [07:07] Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 [07:07] Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 [07:07] some results from my box [07:07] iwlist scan [07:07] root@vietpa:~# iwlist scan [07:07] lo Interface doesn't support scanning. [07:07] eth0 Interface doesn't support scanning. [07:07] wmaster0 Interface doesn't support scanning. [07:07] wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down [07:08] ifconfig wlan0 up [07:08] root@vietpa:~# ifconfig wlan0 up [07:08] SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory [07:08] dmesg [07:08] and see the last lines [07:09] there will be one error [07:09] what is it ? [07:09] firmware: requesting b43/ucode5.fw [07:09] b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found [07:09] b43-phy0 ERROR: You must go to http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware and download the latest firmware (version 4). [07:09] ah hah [07:09] so i need download the lastest firmware in that site? [07:09] yeap [07:09] let's me try [07:09] and put it in the /lib/firmware [07:10] Amallya (n=Adyna@89.137.201.44) joined ##slackware. [07:10] hello [07:11] hello [07:11] you will need to follow the instruction to install the firmware [07:12] if you do everything right you will get wireless [07:14] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:14] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [07:16] Who was it that pastebin'd me this delicious rc.firewall script? I have some questions about the traffic shaping portion which lartc didn't really clear up for me. http://rafb.net/p/yhxRNI31.html [07:17] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) joined ##slackware. [07:17] i have done 2 script in that site to install new firmware [07:18] what should i do next ? [07:18] dscpl0 (n=sulo@cpe.atm2-0-76461.0x535af6fe.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:19] @livebrain [07:19] please help me [07:19] edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf to fill in your wifi info [07:19] ssid/ wep etc [07:20] my wifi authentication is wpa [07:20] and the ssid is so long [07:20] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [07:20] ok then wpa [07:20] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@C-59-100-81-83.bri.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:20] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-026-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:20] i can't remember it, does it auto detect ? [07:20] auto detect your password? [07:21] no, detect ssid [07:21] maybe with the scan command above [07:21] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:22] first see if you have wifi working in the laptop [07:22] iwlist scan [07:22] ifconfig wlan0 up [07:22] only then you go to the next level [07:22] dguitar (n=dguitar@unaffiliated/dguitar) joined ##slackware. [07:23] that broadcom driver is new too i think [07:23] yeap [07:23] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left ##slackware. [07:23] its the b43 [07:23] the older one was the bcm43xx [07:23] ah ha [07:23] i've done it with ifconfig wlan0 up [07:24] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [07:24] and now, the led is light on [07:24] now you have wifi working, now you need to configure wpa [07:24] but that i cant help ;P i never done that [07:24] <- open wireless or simple wep stuff [07:25] i think Control Center in KDE3.5 can help me [07:25] thanks so much [07:25] i've used slackware for 2 days ^^ [07:25] before that, i've read slackbook 2.0 and try with virtual machine :) [07:26] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [07:26] but now, i installed it in real, i found that virtual machine if different from real machine :) [07:27] can you give me some suggestion ? [07:27] Hi, wanting to get more RAM for my Fujitsu-Siemens laptop, I've been told by the vendor to get a PC5300 RAM stick. Of course, I was also recommended to get their own product :). However, having checked pricerunner for "2GB pc5300", I've found that there are quite a lot of cheaper products. My question: Will they all work with my machine, or are there varieties? [07:28] vietpa, open up /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf in a text editor [07:28] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [07:28] ok [07:28] dscpl0, generally you can get other brands at same ratttings (pc5300) [07:29] i bought a simmilar ram stick from crucial over the holidays for about $16usd [07:30] tank-man, okay. so physically they're the same? [07:30] yes [07:31] tank-man, okay, so is there any reason it *wouldn't* work with any vendor? [07:31] UGH complete failure. [07:31] yes [07:31] tank-man, ok? [07:32] I accidentally set the bandwidth limit way too low on my home server without shutting off bittorrent first. Now it won't respond to anything [07:32] some ram on some pc might be incompatiable [07:32] as long as they are supported by your mobo, ddr1 ddr2 ddr3 etc [07:32] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:32] dorayakikun (n=chotib@114.58.85.236) joined ##slackware. [07:33] tank-man, I see. well, I think I'll take my chances with some cheaper alternative. thanks for your help [07:33] the clock will be the clock on the lower ram, 2 rams, one 500mhz another 400mhz both will work at 400mhz [07:33] livebrain, ah, okay. so that's another factor to take into account... [07:33] kama (n=kama@host8-112-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:33] @tank-man: i have open it, and see some configuration line about wlan0 [07:33] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.28) joined ##slackware. [07:33] before it is the # [07:34] vietpa, yes, lines with # are comments [07:34] livebrain, right. I have one 500 chip in my machine already. getting a 2gb one [07:34] lines with # at the begining of the line are comments [07:34] tank-man, which line should i edit ? [07:35] scroll down to "example config for wlan0" [07:35] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Connection timed out [07:35] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [07:35] uncomment (remove the #) the line that says "IFNAME[4]="wlan0" [07:36] and the use dhcp line [07:36] and the other lines below for ssid and password [07:36] livebrain, having found the specs for my computer, it turns out I need ddr II - ram [07:36] and if you want the other info (channel, mode, rate) [07:37] ddr2, the cheapest kind now :) [07:38] WLAN_ESSID[4]=BARRIER05 [07:38] enable it ? [07:38] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left ##slackware. [07:38] tank-man, okay. so when it says in the specs for my computer that it's got ddr2, it only means that's what it's delivered with? ... but it can handle a ddr3-stick? [07:38] if it is your info yes [07:39] dscpl0, no [07:39] no [07:39] okay [07:39] ony ddr2 will work [07:39] cool. thanks [07:39] but my ssid is other [07:39] and it's so long [07:39] try to match the same clock speed on both stiks [07:39] I just marvel at the differencies in price... this one I found is about 33% of the price the computervendor charges [07:40] livebrain, okay [07:40] if i go to the wifi spot, i don't know ssid in there, how can i configure it ? [07:40] vietpa: iwlist scan will show you all the networks within range [07:40] hmm. I see there are some 200 and some 240 pin... guess I need to figure that out as well, right? [07:41] if it is ddr2 it will work [07:41] dscpl0, you need SODIMM for laptops so that is 200pin i believe [07:41] no matter what [07:41] allright [07:41] oh that i forgot tank-man ;P [07:41] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:41] but for laptops its more expensive i think [07:41] tank-man, livebrain, cheers, I'll go shopping now [07:42] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-351793.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:42] dscpl0 (n=sulo@cpe.atm2-0-76461.0x535af6fe.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) left irc: "Leaving" [07:42] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-351793.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:43] tank-man, if i want to connect to some wifi network for a short time, and don't want to change rc.inet1.conf everytime i need [07:43] knetworkmanager [07:43] tank-man, how can i connect as fast as possible ? [07:43] its a gui that you can use for wifi [07:44] it stays on the toolbar [07:44] spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) joined ##slackware. [07:44] i found KWiFiManager [07:44] i only use wifi at home so i have not looked at alternatives that let me use multiple wifi spots easily [07:44] or cli, iwconfig wlan0 essid blabla key blabla channel blabla [07:45] Karu (n=Karu@78-28-94-102.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [07:45] and i press on the Scan for Network button, but it said The scan is complete, but no networks have been found [07:45] on your wifi network do you have enable the ssid broadcasting ? [07:46] kama (n=kama@host8-112-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:46] lightbulbjim (n=jim@203.171.93.108.static.rev.aanet.com.au) left ##slackware. [07:46] you configure it for you home by inet.conf or wtv [07:46] and use knetworkmanager outside home [07:46] thanks [07:47] i understood it [07:47] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [07:48] hcx (n=hcx@Q738f.q.strato-dslnet.de) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [07:49] i think that knetwork doesnt show networks with hiden ssid's, but in open wireless networks essid is public so knetwork manager should work [07:50] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [07:50] hello [07:51] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:53] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [07:55] hello _chess_ [07:58] slashdot artile "A Teacher Asking Students To Destroy Notes?" [07:58] crazy world [07:59] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.21.45.169) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:59] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left ##slackware. [08:00] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [08:06] i haven't connect to my wifi network with command :-s [08:06] v4nelle (n=van@adsl24-101.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:06] :(( [08:07] Cell 02 - Address: 00:90:4C:7E:00:10 [08:07] ESSID:"Share - Lien he: 0983.108066" [08:07] Mode:Master [08:07] Channel:9 [08:07] Frequency:2.452 GHz (Channel 9) [08:07] Quality=88/100 Signal level:-18 dBm Noise level=-68 dBm [08:07] Encryption key:on [08:07] IE: WPA Version 1 [08:07] Group Cipher : TKIP [08:07] Pairwise Ciphers (1) : TKIP [08:07] Authentication Suites (1) : PSK [08:07] Bit Rates:1 Mb/s; 2 Mb/s; 5.5 Mb/s; 11 Mb/s; 18 Mb/s [08:07] 24 Mb/s; 36 Mb/s; 54 Mb/s; 6 Mb/s; 9 Mb/s [08:07] 12 Mb/s; 48 Mb/s [08:07] Extra:tsf=0000000331598265 [08:07] pastbin. [08:07] Extra: Last beacon: 112ms ago [08:07] .... [08:07] here is my network info [08:07] bannnnnnnned [08:07] how can i connect with command ? [08:07] excuse me ? [08:08] i'm newbie in IRC [08:08] spook, ban me ? [08:09] for wpa i think you need wpa_supplicant [08:09] for things longer than a single line, you should use pastebin [08:10] Nick change: jmaop -> ahmed-tux [08:10] Greyhound|NB (n=Greyhoun@79.114.11.160) joined ##slackware. [08:11] dguitar, how can i use it? This is the first time i have ever use IRC chat :) [08:11] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastebin [08:12] Seriously... where's the kickbam? [08:12] vietpa: yes ban you for spamming the channel [08:12] s/kickbam/kickban/ [08:12] Zordrak: i know! slackboy has dropped the ball [08:12] He wouldn't KB for it anyways [08:12] Just kick [08:13] spook, sorry, i don't know, this is the first time i've joined IRC chat [08:13] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:13] i wasnted pasted in 1 sec so maybe thats why no k/b [08:13] FriedBob: yaeh... but hopefully would have caught it after a few lines [08:13] it [08:14] dorayakikun (n=chotib@114.58.85.236) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:14] tank-man: It's 4 lines in X seconds I think, andhe did 5 in one [08:15] Action: Zordrak slaps slackboy [08:17] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:17] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:19] Karu (n=Karu@78-28-94-102.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [08:19] alch (n=alch@78-28-94-102.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [08:22] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [08:25] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:27] okibisan (i=1000@24-151-173-192.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. 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[09:06] Action: slackytude looks around [09:06] its quiet [09:06] shhh [09:07] O_o [09:07] im hunting bonobamamas [09:07] {sic} [09:07] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [09:07] anyone install mono [09:07] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-64-167-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [09:07] wee wittle wonowamamas? [09:08] TwinReverb: hello did you back to USA ? [09:08] yes [09:08] did you compile from source? [09:08] greetings ahmed-tux [09:08] Neo-Zionist, SBo [09:09] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [09:09] slackytude: halo [09:09] ahmed-tux, how you doing? [09:10] slackytude: good i'm in holday now , i'll relax and visiting the familly and update my slacky [09:11] slackytude: how about you ? [09:11] ahmed-tux, learning for exams in feburary [09:11] ahmed-tux, not much fun :( [09:11] archilles (n=root@117.196.142.153) joined ##slackware. [09:12] how can i change my system time thourgh shell? [09:12] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [09:12] slackytude: that's good [09:12] slackytude: why are you sad? [09:13] archilles, date [09:13] archilles, or ntpdate for ntp [09:13] ahmed-tux, not sad. but learning is boring. Id rather get drunk or be with friends or stuff [09:14] alch (n=alch@78-28-94-102.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [09:14] not working [09:14] archilles, what is? [09:15] i want to change my system time via shell [09:15] archilles, date [09:15] or netdate [09:15] slackytude: try to use a good method for learning , for don't be boring [09:16] ahmed-tux, :) gonna try. we will learn together on monday, that is more fun [09:16] ahmed-tux, no [09:16] TwinReverb: and how are you ? [09:16] slackytude: learn with me ? [09:17] so far so good. you? [09:17] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:17] learning is futile [09:17] ahmed-tux, I meant, me and my fellow students will learn together on monday [09:17] TwinReverb: i'm good too i think you feel good with Korean , asian people [09:17] no more futile than living [09:17] slackytude: yeah , that's nice [09:17] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.149.218) joined ##slackware. [09:18] pi31415, at least there is an end to living [09:18] of course [09:18] ahmed-tux, ^-^ [09:18] no more than there is an end to learning [09:18] hello happy slackers [09:18] pi31415, that makes no sense [09:18] if you die, do you not stop learning? [09:19] we can only hope [09:19] pi31415, you dont :) [09:19] you learn what tripping on DMT is like [09:19] hogwash [09:20] death is the final class [09:20] im gonna ace it [09:20] after death you stop living and learinng, but other people will take up the torch [09:21] <_chess_> hello vinnie_ [09:21] pi31415, unless you are dumped back into the sea of universal conciousness [09:22] where you figure out that the universe is a holographic fractal neural net [09:22] learning is a natural part of human life. one may as well disparage breathing. [09:22] archilles (n=root@117.196.142.153) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:24] learning is just mimicking and pattern matching [09:24] breathing too is repetitious [09:24] archilles (n=root@117.196.142.235) joined ##slackware. [09:25] creativity and conciousness comes from the free-will which elementary particles exhibit in the quantum vacuum of space [09:25] and misfiring neurons [09:25] however, i cannot give all th secrets [09:25] FARE WELL EARTHLINGS [09:26] Neo-Zionist (n=Neo-Zion@c-24-126-181-37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:26] drop the drugs, dude [09:26] wine is not an Emu [09:27] those animals? [09:27] yes [09:27] what is x3270? [09:27] steeders (n=steeders@24.159.166.178) joined ##slackware. [09:28] archilles: context? [09:28] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.28) left irc: [09:29] wamaral (i=1000@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [09:29] x3270 is an IBM 3270 terminal emulator for the X Window System [09:29] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejb40.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:29] whats the use? [09:29] oh sheee today is my brithday [09:30] birthday [09:30] happy birthday ^-^ [09:30] steeders: happy new year! [09:30] oh wait.. [09:30] archilles: in case you have to communicate with an IBM 3270 Mainframe? [09:30] surprise! [09:30] steeders: happy birthday. [09:30] thanks [09:31] how many rounds around the sun you got so far? [09:31] 27 [09:32] eh, get of my lawn, kiddo :P [09:32] ah to be only 27 again.. ;) [09:32] your lawn? [09:32] if it wasnt for you meddling kids [09:32] wait 30 years [09:33] hahah i have to use that line on older women, "how many times have you been around the sun?" [09:33] so i can conect only to IBM mainframes? [09:33] tank-man: brutal [09:33] archilles: ... uhm .. say what? [09:33] archilles: ........ [09:33] archilles: how on earth by cerberus left infested testicle do you come to that arcane conclusion? [09:34] Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 24th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 [09:34] ORDO AB CHAO [09:34] i cant understand 4 words there [09:34] archilles: yes, you can only connect to ibm mainframes [09:35] if you want to connect to anything else, it will cost 2.95 a minute [09:35] spook: :) [09:35] spook: that's not completly true though. [09:35] why 2.95? [09:35] oh sorry did i say 2.95? [09:35] spook: if you have a slackware subscription the costs are lowered to 1.15. [09:35] i mean 5.95 [09:36] is there subscription for slackware? [09:36] in what cases? [09:36] yes. [09:36] yes [09:36] to get the dvd mailed to you [09:36] when a new version comes out. [09:37] better ubuntu [09:37] free always [09:37] yes much better than ubuntu [09:37] slackware is always free [09:38] some people like to support our lone developer, and do so by subscribing [09:38] but shipping is cheeper for ubuntu [09:38] shipping? [09:39] were you ever dropped on your head as a kid? [09:39] What, you are one of those who enjoy free software and not supporting it with donations or support in some way? [09:40] noobuntu [09:40] ^new joke [09:40] hey man. I am learning linux [09:40] how many people develop actively on ubuntu? [09:40] archilles: ubuntu is a cheap debian knock-off. I like supporting Slackware, without the cash PV can't do his great work. [09:41] ubuntu is so good for getting stuff done that terry schiavo used it [09:41] why do u like slackware? [09:41] Is slackware entained by one single person? [09:41] archilles: http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=634 [09:41] Pat V. [09:41] kjell: yes. [09:41] FriedBob: \o/ [09:41] plus a few other people, like alienBOB and rworkman [09:42] Thats incredible. Why is that so? Wont people who know coding help, or is it a choise of his? [09:42] he has help of others [09:42] Ah. [09:42] but hes the 'boss' [09:42] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=634 [09:42] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [09:42] but... no one forces anyone to pay for a slackware install [09:42] But in the end it's he who decides what goes to slackware or not. [09:42] you dont really need to code slackware [09:42] we dont patch much at all [09:42] vanilla ftw [09:42] so its just upstream that does the coding [09:43] and it gives us the best IBM 3270 tools around >:) [09:43] hahaha [09:43] ubuntu its free so its better lol [09:44] slackware is free aswell [09:44] it was a joke ;P [09:44] :* [09:44] i mean the CD/dvd thingie [09:44] the matrix runs windows: http://www.skrattattack.se/lank.asp?id=855 [09:44] i think, pro-ubuntu statements, joking or otherwise should be grounds for banning [09:45] heh [09:45] ubuntu is so good for getting stuff done that terry schiavo used it [09:45] Action: steeders eats a banana [09:46] who is tery schiavo? [09:46] i read that wikipedia runs ubuntu [09:46] Ubuntu: The South African word for "I can't configure Slackware" This is old, but, I like it:-) [09:46] in soviet russia, terry schiavo asks who you are [09:47] pi31415: thepiratebay.org runs slackware and slamd64 [09:47] pi31415, heh, I got an ad for windows xp repair during that video [09:47] "Fix blue screen of death" [09:48] LnxSlck: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo [09:49] k [09:50] does 12.2 have synaptics built-in? [09:50] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:50] archille1 (n=root@117.196.147.122) joined ##slackware. [09:50] spook, O_o [09:50] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:50] slackytude: what? [09:51] spook, yes [09:51] oh cool. [09:51] just started my Majestic12 Node :) [09:51] ... [09:52] steeders: as in the distributed search engine? [09:52] ya [09:52] f google [09:52] sounds cool [09:53] pankracy (n=pankracy@149.156.109.200) joined ##slackware. [09:53] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062161007.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:53] Majestic12, aint that some super secret government thingy [09:53] heh funny that matrix on windows spoof [09:53] yeah, started by nixon / papi bush to cover up ufo technology [09:53] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [09:53] archilles (n=root@117.196.142.235) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [09:56] http://www.majestic12.co.uk/projects/dsearch/stats.php [09:57] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:58] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-64-167-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [10:00] pankracy (n=pankracy@149.156.109.200) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [10:06] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [10:10] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.16.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:11] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: "leaving" [10:13] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [10:14] marko90 (n=marko@145-19-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net) joined ##slackware. [10:19] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:21] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:21] archille1 (n=root@117.196.147.122) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:21] i have a yeast/fungal infection in my sinuses.... [10:22] sucks and stinks [10:23] how ironic [10:24] i dont see the irony [10:24] that it sucks (in your nose) and stinks (because it's in your nose) [10:24] nevermind, very dry humor [10:24] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [10:27] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [10:28] endren (n=endren@CPE001e58ef33ec-CM0012c90cf19a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [10:29] endren (n=endren@CPE001e58ef33ec-CM0012c90cf19a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [10:32] InvaderX (n=the@41.157.12.3) joined ##slackware. [10:34] ice_nine (n=ice_nine@CPE00179a491de8-CM001bd7cb8f1a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:35] Anyone available/willing to help me with my printers? I'm so close, but still don't have something right. [10:35] still having trouble? [10:35] Yeah. Getting unsupported charset errors still [10:35] ice_nine (n=ice_nine@CPE00179a491de8-CM001bd7cb8f1a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [10:37] InvaderX (n=the@41.157.12.3) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [10:37] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [10:41] FriedBob: read this? http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/printers.html [10:42] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [10:43] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:46] Yes. [10:46] I can print from Slack [10:46] And I can print from OS X. [10:46] Just not from XP or Vista [10:47] LOL [10:47] it's called natural selection [10:47] :) [10:47] Action: Zordrak points at the problem [10:47] My wife uses Vista on her laptop [10:47] FriedBob: why do you allow her to? [10:47] Uhm.. [10:47] Because Vista isn't zomgevil? [10:47] Zordrak: If you are not going to help, STFU [10:48] simple question.. i put xk on my missus' [10:48] but nm [10:48] FriedBob: you can actually see the printes now though, right? [10:48] xk? [10:48] marko90 (n=marko@145-19-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net) left irc: No route to host [10:48] I've been messing with this for over a week now, and I am really tired of all the bullshit. [10:48] marko90 (n=marko@91.124.19.145) joined ##slackware. [10:48] straterra: Yeah, both over SMB and cups directly. [10:48] s/xk/xp/ [10:49] What happens when you try to print to it? [10:49] well, we could help with slackware + printing problems but windows printing probs? [10:49] windows problems cost money [10:49] Nothing on the winboxen, but var/log/cups/error_log shows "unsupported character set iso-8859-1" [10:49] slackytude: its likely a cups config error [10:50] ah, ok [10:50] marko90 (n=marko@91.124.19.145) left ##slackware. [10:50] I have a full install, except for kde, x and xap. [10:50] do the printer(s) have any direct methods? [10:50] From x I have installed font-config and *font*.tgz and from xap, sane [10:50] FriedBob, how is your cups + samba setup ? [10:51] windows should certainly understand ISO-8859-1 o.O [10:51] afaik this shouldnt happen if you expose the printer as raw device and let the windows driver handle thigs [10:51] thrice`: CUPS isn't able to [10:51] is that locale available on your slack ? [10:52] arny (n=arny@79.119.165.42) joined ##slackware. [10:52] slackytude: When I add the printer, either dircectly from cups (http://ip:631/printers/PrintName) ot by browsing over SMB, windows tells me that the server doesn't have the driver and one needs to be installed, so I install it. [10:52] thrice`: No idea, TBH. How can I check? [10:53] to generate it, try: [10:53] localedef -i en_US -f ISO-8859-1 en_US [10:53] and, localedef -i en_US -f ISO-8859-1 en_US.ISO-8859-1 [10:54] thrice`: No feedback, so I assume that the first one did whatevr it was supposed to. [10:54] FriedBob: tried these? iso-8859 iso-88591 [10:55] gnubien: I'm just hitting "print test page" from my printer dialog [10:55] FriedBob: did it still complain after generating those two ? [10:55] FriedBob: bet M$ chokes on the -1 [10:56] thrice`: Just got them generated, my mouse doesn't seem to like my KVM right now and haven't gotten around to making the change that someone said I needed to do to get it working again. [10:56] thrice`: Do I need to restart anything, or just hit print again? [10:57] I would just try printing again [10:57] FriedBob: you might also try: US.iso8859 and en_US.iso8859 [10:58] Now to wait forever and a day. I've gotta get my winbox backed up and reinstalled.:/ It's been acting very, very oddly ever since freeDroid hardlocked it. :/ [10:58] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:59] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:00] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-60-29-115.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:04] kama_ (n=kama@host8-112-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:05] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:07] arny (n=arny@79.119.165.42) left irc: "Leaving" [11:07] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: "client exploded" [11:10] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-200372.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:13] FriedBob: anything ? [11:13] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:14] Akuma (n=dfsdf@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:17] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-166-69-205.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [11:17] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:18] thrice`: No. [11:18] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:19] it's sounding like a windows issue [11:20] thrice`: I'm also seeing som errors in access_log too [11:20] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-64-167-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [11:22] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [11:22] Also, I get the same results in Xp and Vista. [11:24] and, since both *nix work ... [11:26] "client-error-bad-request" [11:27] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left ##slackware. [11:27] But that is coming from localhost. [11:27] And I don't have the webadmin open on my slackbox. [11:32] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [11:33] anyone figure out the "instant viewing" with netflix in linux ? seems windows VM is the only way :| [11:38] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-64-167-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [11:39] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:39] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [11:39] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:50] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.158.254) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:50] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [11:51] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:52] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.153.91) joined ##slackware. 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[12:16] vinnie_: yes [12:16] vinnie_: yes it is [12:16] vinnie_, tell us something we dont know [12:16] Zordrak: LnxSlck im luvin' it [12:16] let us all state the obvious: [12:16] Slackware is awesome [12:16] ;) [12:17] nicklist.pl just put the icing on the cake for me [12:17] Zordrak: yes indeed [12:17] renew01 (n=renew@adsl-67-127-58-116.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:18] ofcourse it took me a bit to figure out keybindings for scroll [12:18] anybody have a netbook with Slackware 12.2 installed? [12:18] Not sure which brand to buy [12:18] i would just like to know how some of the themes have background images [12:19] v4nelle (n=van@adsl24-101.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:19] bono (i=bono@118-160-160-77.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:20] or are those setup in Konsole? [12:22] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:22] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:23] Hello. I need some quick shell help. [12:23] I have a bunch of files named like 990mask\n.gif [12:23] And I need to rename them all without the \n [12:24] Zordrak: ive noticed after logging in to freenode i have to hit [Esc] 2 to get to the chanel window. Is there a way to automatically go to the chanel window after login? [12:24] We're talking a few hundred, so manual will be a bad idea. Any god quick scripts anyone can think of? [12:24] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-164-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:24] Motoko-chan : rename '\n' '' * [12:24] now, i'm not sure how it deals with such odditities as \n [12:24] Didn [12:24] Didn't seem to work [12:25] you may have to double escape that or something [12:25] Motoko-chan, you can use the app from slackware [12:25] skibur : which app, rename? :) [12:25] what about mv? [12:25] skibur, really? I wouldn't have known, asking in here and all. [12:25] K -> Utilities -> Bulk Rename [12:26] No X [12:26] This is a server [12:26] ah, that changes everything [12:26] Motoko-chan : experiment with rename [12:26] it doesn't change everything. there is 'rename' :) [12:26] mv '\n' '' * [12:26] ? [12:26] vinnie_ : no [12:27] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:27] omfg [12:27] oops [12:27] v4nelle (n=van@adsl24-101.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:28] rename isn't helping. [12:28] vinnie_: Dont actually *do* it... but i want you to consider what would happen if you did this: `mv *` [12:28] consider it gedanken [12:29] Motoko-chan :sure it is [12:29] rename \\n '' * [12:29] i told you that you'll most likely have to escape it [12:29] ananke, no dice [12:30] Action: Motoko-chan debates downloading perl's rename [12:30] Motoko-chan : your rename sucks then. are you sure you're on slackware? [12:30] Motoko-chan: man rename [12:30] Yes [12:30] infernal_jesus (n=igor@unaffiliated/infernaljesus/x-763248) joined ##slackware. [12:30] http://pastebin.com/d166088e4 [12:30] Zordrak: sorry... i opened my mouth too soon. im still a n00b at this [12:30] renew01 (n=renew@adsl-67-127-58-116.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:30] RENAME(1) from 1 January 2000 [12:31] I can't even get files with \n in them o.O [12:31] ananke, [12:31] # cat /etc/slackware-version [12:31] Slackware 11.0.0 (x86_64) [12:31] thrice`: \\ [12:31] Motoko-chan : look at my pastebin. [12:31] thrice`, php utility script gone awry [12:32] d'oh [12:32] Hmmmmm [12:32] works for me like a champ. on both slackware and suse boxes [12:32] vinnie_: as for your "can I get irssi to switch windows after login" .. the answer is 1) yes 2) /help window .. you might have to manually edit your irssi config file to do so. but it is possible afaik. [12:32] eew, suse [12:33] thrice` : don't even go there [12:33] i'm free to go there while in #slackware :> [12:33] eeeewwww (&(Linux)(!Slackware)) [12:33] thrice` : makes you look like a zealot [12:34] Just changed the PHP around to fix it [12:34] or someone who has tried suse and thinks it sucks [12:34] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [12:34] thrice` : no wonder. you can't even make a file with \n in its name [12:34] Omega_Red (n=thiago@189.71.145.72) joined ##slackware. [12:35] of course [12:35] vinnie__ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [12:35] vinnie__ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: Client Quit [12:36] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left ##slackware. [12:36] clearly running slackware has handicapped me into failing to realize I needed touch file1\\n.test instead of file1\n.test [12:37] i'll switch immediately [12:37] thrice`: i recommend some bash documentation [12:37] in general... toilet reading [12:38] no, it seems suse will help me there [12:38] your lack of clue is just amazing [12:38] perhaps a pill of the chill variety too [12:39] it was a sarcastic comment that you took personally; nothing more [12:39] Action: Zordrak cracks open a whole bottle of chill [12:39] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.23.77) joined ##slackware. [12:39] took personally? wow. you really don't have much of a clue, do you? [12:40] about what? [12:40] guys, deal with it or stick each other on ignore [12:40] right ! [12:41] nothing like cluebie zealots [12:41] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [12:41] oh, i get it now [12:42] ananke: My printing issues seem to have come down to not having accounts of the same name. :/ But I may have that taken care of in a moment or two. [12:42] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:42] FriedBob : doh, yep. that would be an issue, since samba hands that down to cups. now, how did you have samba users that didn't have the equivalent unix account? [12:43] ananke: My wife's laptop is setup using a name w/ a capitalized first letter, and I've been too lazy to create an actual user account on my XP box [12:44] i'm glad you've been able to find the cause of this problem, you've been at it for a while now [12:44] However, my user account on my Mac is the same as my user account on the server. And I've been able to print from the mac [12:45] I haven't confirmed it yet, winbox has some other issues that is slowing me down, and I don't know my wife's password for her lappy. [12:45] I've gotta get some stuff backed up, then nuke and pave FriedWin [12:45] that's actually quite an achievement :) mac printing to linux cups servers is often very problematic, especially when it comes to adobe products [12:45] I haven't tried printing a pdf yet, just a text file [12:46] yeah, that's usually when problems occur [12:46] It was easier to get the Mac to print than it was to get the slack server to print. [12:46] if you use the mac pdf viewer, it should be alright :) [12:46] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:47] FriedBob : getting any linux box to print to a cups server is usually very easy, and involves simply adding one entry in /etc/cups/client.conf [12:47] ananke: I don't think I have actually touched that specific cups file. [12:48] These 2 HPs are supposed to be really good with Linux too. [12:48] My initial problems were from not installing X. I think it's asinine that you'd have to install X to print, but whatever. 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[13:17] <_chess_> skibur: I am glad :-) [13:17] Karu (n=Karu@78-28-94-102.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [13:22] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-200372.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:23] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-200514.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:24] chimicus (n=chimicus@213-140-6-110.ip.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [13:25] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl9-166-215.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:26] Garak_ (n=Garak@stjhnf0112w-142162170051.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) joined ##slackware. [13:26] hi all, need an rtfm :p [13:26] RTFM! [13:26] thanx [13:26] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [13:26] Make it "man bash" this time. [13:26] Well, now that that's out of the way, what can I help you with? [13:27] http://www.tpa.me.uk/RTFM [13:27] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-351793.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:27] i'm trying to understand why my scsi scanner is working only if i boot the scanner first and after the pc [13:27] otherwise i don't find nothing in dmesg [13:27] and i get nothing with sane [13:27] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:28] i have a aic7850 controller [13:28] and i'm using the standard smp kernel coming with slack 12.2 [13:28] Hmm... well, it sounds like it doesn't poke the OS when it comes on. [13:28] how can i trace the problem? [13:29] i'd like not to recompile the kernel [13:29] how do you boot it first and after the pc? [13:29] makes no sense [13:29] the scanner has its own power on button [13:29] boot it first and THEN the pc? [13:29] in this manner it works [13:29] christ/ [13:29] steeders (n=steeders@24.159.166.178) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:29] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:30] but if i boot the pc and after the scanner it does not work [13:30] I don't know who that was, but he was singularly unhelpful. [13:30] lol [13:30] Hmm... I'm not entirely certain how I'd go about solving that problem, chimicus. [13:31] ok, my guess is the driver compiled statically into the kernel [13:31] there are ways to rescan the scsi bus [13:31] this sounds good [13:31] how do i do it? [13:32] bono (i=bono@118-160-160-77.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:32] i use this to let my system redetect disks that i have warm swapped: echo 0 0 0 > /sys/class/scsi_host/host1/scan [13:32] so you might need to modify that [13:32] i'm trying now [13:33] like i said, you might need to modify that because it is scanning on the second host in that case.... [13:33] chimicus: On my Slamd64 system, it does appear that the driver is compiled in. You can check on your system with "zgrep -i aic7xxx /proc/config.gz" [13:33] i got only host2 [13:33] (That's a very useful line to know, by the way.) [13:34] what I found with zgrep is that aic7xxx is compiled statically: [13:35] CONFIG_SCSI_AIC7XXX=y [13:35] while with the echo command nothing seems to be moving [13:36] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:37] one more thing: if I turn on the scanner, i boot the pc and i turn off the scanner, I wait for some time [13:37] and then i power on the scanner again it works [13:37] rAWjAW (n=rAWjAW@unaffiliated/rawjaw) joined ##slackware. [13:37] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [13:38] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-199.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:38] it seems to me that the system is 'listening' to the scsi interface only during boot but that it remembers exactly what there was when it listened [13:38] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-60-29-87.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:38] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [13:40] rodiguim (i=3ef4b8af@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4b0451d028ea9364) joined ##slackware. [13:40] anybody knows a good place to llok for infos? [13:41] http://www.google.com/linux ? [13:41] isnt there a rescan_scsi_bus somewhere in /sys? [13:42] udevtrigger --retry-failed [13:43] kama_ (n=kama@host8-112-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:43] harmattan (n=harmatta@mancomo.psi.ucm.es) joined ##slackware. [13:44] Zordrak: .... [13:44] (2009-01-24 10:33:08) nullboy: i use this to let my system redetect disks that i have warm swapped: echo 0 0 0 > /sys/class/scsi_host/host1/scan [13:45] hmm [13:45] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-18-60-221.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:45] the udevtrigger should scan scsi, too, imho [13:45] zGhost (i=dave@adsl-68-79-134-12.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [13:46] anyway at the moment nothing seems to work, i tried with udevtrigger and with the echo command :( [13:47] nullboy: i saw... but i recall, last time i needed it, there was something specifically called (or at least very similar to) rescan_scsi_bus [13:47] Action: zGhost just got his LTO tape drive working at home with NetBackup :D [13:47] \o/ [13:47] LTO? thats a brand name? [13:48] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl9-166-215.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [13:48] slackytude: fail [13:48] Zordrak, why? [13:48] zGhost: congrats [13:48] zGhost: as in veritas netbackup (allothough I believe it's symantec these days) [13:48] BP{k}: yes [13:48] zGhost: sweet :) [13:49] slackytude: http://www.google.com/search?q=lto+tape [13:49] I was going to use AMANDA but I found NetBackup in some special places [13:49] BP{k}: still called Veritas [13:49] called Veritas but is owned by Symantec [13:49] a search in sys did not give me nothing about a rescan but /sys/bus/ieee1394/rescan [13:49] I have played a bit with NetBackup . donkey years ago. [13:49] slackytude: LTO is a tape format [13:49] zGhost: Im working on it today because i need to force a quarterly tonight [13:49] slackytude: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Tape-Open [13:50] zGhost: but i HATE NetBackup [13:50] BP{k}: the Ultrium tapes too :D [13:50] zGhost: passionately [13:50] BP{k}, Zordrak thx [13:50] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [13:50] Action: slackytude is just ignorant [13:50] slackytude: it's more of enterprise hardware compared to consumer hardware [13:51] similar in the router scene of... linksys (consumer) and Cisco (enterprise) [13:51] zGhost: used to have to maintain v3.5 with an L1000 library connected to an E450 running Solaris 7 [13:51] I nearly died! [13:51] so, you are saying, I aint ignorant, just too poor? [13:51] :P [13:51] no, just that it isn't common place unless you work with computers on a professional level [13:52] using LTO and netbackup at home is probably overkill [13:52] I use KDE for my Desktop Environment. I'm just wondering, how many of you guys/gals use a different desktop environment. Which one do you use? [13:52] KDE 4. [13:52] Zordrak: mine's a Blade 2000 running Solaris 9 [13:53] (It's different.) [13:53] ture [13:53] true [13:53] skibur: fluxbox [13:53] too bad Solaris is (Rootaris) [13:53] zGhost: *shudder* [13:53] Zordrak: Used to play with an E450 Cluster running solaris with an L100 Tape library :D [13:53] chimicus (n=chimicus@213-140-6-110.ip.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "Leaving" [13:53] ninjazach (i=dave@adsl-68-79-134-12.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [13:53] zGhost (i=dave@adsl-68-79-134-12.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:53] hum... I know that xfce comes with Slackware, but does if have all the features? [13:53] xfce [13:53] like hal and such? [13:53] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:54] Bacula ToDisk backups on Slack ftw [13:54] of course [13:54] skibur: slackware has hal.... duh. [13:54] skibur, yeah [13:54] :P [13:54] Veritas FTF, Solaris FTF [13:54] <3 xfce [13:54] Action: BP{k} throws E250's at Zordrak ;) [13:54] Action: Zordrak blocks with Ultra80s [13:55] Ok, I know this probably sounds like a n00b question and isn't REALLY slackware specific, but if I compile and install a program from source would it run any faster then if I installed it from a package? [13:55] don't be hatin on Solaris [13:55] RicardoSSP (n=Ricardo@unaffiliated/RicardoSSP) joined ##slackware. [13:55] rAWjAW: Possibly. [13:55] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:55] Action: Zordrak now maintaining NetBackup v6.5 with a C4 attached to a SunFire T2000 [13:55] I'm personally very hesitant about installing any package that isn't official. [13:55] rAWjAW, might be slower, too ^-^ [13:56] thanks for feed back [13:56] Well I am making the packages myself [13:56] with checkinstall [13:56] Ewww checkinstall. [13:56] rAWjAW: depends on the compile options used in your compile vs. the packagr's compile [13:56] jkwood: checkinstall isn't the way to go? [13:56] Yep. For most x86 compiles, you're not going to see a lot of benefits from optimization. [13:57] -funroll-loops being the exception [13:57] I just figured it makes it easier for removing and updating programs when they are in packages if you need to compile them from source [13:57] checkinstall is broken on newer Slack, and has been for some time. [13:57] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Success [13:57] slackbuilds are the way to go. [13:57] <_chess_> rAWjAW: yes, that is true, but you should use or write a slackbuild, preferably [13:57] http://slackbuilds.org for reference. [13:57] bigpaws (n=karl@plns-64-111-131-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [13:58] I didn't know there was such a thing, I'll check it out [13:58] thanks! [13:58] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:58] rAWjAW, you might want to check out sbopkg.org too [13:58] <_chess_> read the howto [13:58] ^-^ [13:58] Action: Zordrak points rAWjAW at the channel topic! [14:00] <- slacktrack [14:00] Also, http://slaxer.com/myscripts/sbsuite.rb [14:00] jkwood, I was just gonna say it [14:00] It's not perfect, but it's an excellent start. [14:00] Nick change: ninjazach -> zGhost [14:00] Does XFCE create a ".folder" on my home directory when I configure Xfce? What is the name of it if it does create it? [14:00] xfce stores its configuration in .config [14:01] Thanks [14:01] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:01] And with that, I must drive my failbus right on out of here. [14:02] toot toot [14:02] Later, all. [14:02] <_chess_> cya jkwood [14:02] loopback mounting arbitrary partitions that are inside of a a disk image file FTW [14:03] nullboy, kewl [14:03] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:03] hcx (n=hcx@Q74dc.q.strato-dslnet.de) joined ##slackware. [14:03] /dev/loop0 on /mnt/loop type ntfs (ro,offset=7517905920) [14:03] nullboy, how do you do that [14:03] skibur, also take a look in your ~/.local too , I've found some things for xfce there too at times (not much but still) [14:03] hcx (n=hcx@Q74dc.q.strato-dslnet.de) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [14:03] gm151 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:03] slackytude: use parted to get the partition's offset [14:04] yeah, I saw some myself :P [14:04] ok :) [14:04] thanks [14:04] nullboy, and use offset switch for mount? [14:04] yep [14:04] ah, nice [14:04] mount -o loop,ro,offset=7517905920 /mnt/400GB/SONY.bin /mnt/loop/ [14:04] harmattan (n=harmatta@mancomo.psi.ucm.es) left irc: "Leaving" [14:04] that's a 160GB disk image with two partitions, from a Sony laptop i'm recovering [14:05] so that command there mounts the second NTFS partition [14:06] powerfull [14:06] totally [14:06] makes data recovery much safer [14:07] it lets you work with read-only mounted disk images instead of making a bad on disk situation even worse [14:07] nullboy, interesting. that 'image' made with DD ? and if so is it gzip'd or just uncompressed? [14:07] Old_Fogie: yep, dd or dd_rescue [14:07] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [14:07] aha, I see [14:07] very nice [14:07] no gzipped, i left it uncompressed [14:07] needs to be uncompressed Id bet [14:07] is anyone in the Dallas area and wants to come to the pub tonight? [14:08] I use 'partimage' but never got around to playing with 'extracting' files out of the gzipped images I created tho. [14:08] Action: slackytude uses partimage too [14:08] mainly because Im too lazy to use dd [14:08] Old_Fogie: i'm spoiled by lots of disk space so i only compress the images i need to store but anything i'm working on is uncompressed [14:09] yes I see [14:10] RicardoSSP (n=Ricardo@unaffiliated/RicardoSSP) left irc: "Fui embora" [14:10] when i worked at the hard disk distributor i got way spoiled. whenever we needed more disk space the answer was always "wtf go grab some disks out of stock" [14:10] hahah [14:10] nullboy, too bad you never worked at a bar :) [14:10] hahaha [14:10] lol [14:11] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062161007.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [14:11] slackytude, I would think there's a way to extract out of partimage tho. I never tried it, have you? [14:12] mount and parted would need to know how to read that so you could get the true offset [14:12] i've never tried it though [14:13] I usually use the gzip option on the images, and let it 'split' the images into auto-generated splits at default sizes. [14:13] Old_Fogie, I was under impression partimage just uses dd + gzip [14:13] tho, a fully loaded desktop is usually still 1 maybe 2 files , not much heh. [14:14] hcx (n=hcx@Q74dc.q.strato-dslnet.de) joined ##slackware. [14:14] slackytude, that's how I understand it too, or bzip2 or no compression. [14:14] right [14:14] you could just decompress it then [14:14] Action: slackytude nods [14:14] for all I know, you could open it in 'ark' then at that point [14:14] ugh, ark with 2GB files? the horror [14:14] well you'd still just be opening a binary image [14:14] Action: Old_Fogie wouldn't try that on this 866mhz box tho :) [14:14] it wouldn't read the partition tables [14:16] Yeah I like the partimage, it's on 'systemrescuecd' . Nice to have a bootable live cd, that has all the samba,nfs and partimage onboard. Used it for a while , love it. [14:16] yeah, me too [14:16] tho I also have a 'partimage' server running too :) [14:16] I also like the ssh option, so you can push the image to a server ^-^ [14:17] very handy, if you dont have enough space local [14:17] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [14:17] it's almost as fast on imaging a windows partition too. I tested ghost, and drive image vs partimage, and it's very close. [14:17] hcx (n=hcx@Q74dc.q.strato-dslnet.de) left irc: Client Quit [14:18] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [14:18] should make no difference what partition. dd just copies chunks of data, it doesnt care about how the data is organized [14:18] anyone in here ever mess with Itanium [14:19] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:19] slackytude, ah I see. yea I was testing "just cuz" :) wanted to see how foss compared ya know. [14:19] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [14:19] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:20] fscannav (n=fabio@host142-46-dynamic.30-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:20] Action: zGhost hates them lame BitchX quit messages [14:20] Old_Fogie, yeah, I see. and nice to know it scores high ^-^ [14:20] they should be outlawed [14:20] josemanuel (n=josemanu@139.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [14:20] zGhost, Itanium? [14:21] An CPU arch created by Intel and HP [14:21] A [14:21] not An [14:22] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [14:22] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-422679.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:24] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:24] bookman (n=kvirc@ool-18be06cd.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [14:27] DasEi1 (n=root@f048254036.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:28] Khratos (n=rakh@190.166.117.226) joined ##slackware. [14:28] first time on slackware kde, installed niceon virtualbox [14:28] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:29] installs better on native :) heh, congrats! [14:29] Does anyone knows why the original 'slackware' channel is forwarding to this one? [14:29] which original slackware channel? [14:29] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:29] as you can see, this one has two # [14:29] unofficial channles get the double # [14:30] this is an unofficial channel, hence we get two [14:30] Old_Fogie:I\m use to ubuntu, when trzing to install with 3 cds, couldn|t get of cmd/line, now took the dvd and did from iso / fine [14:30] oooo [14:30] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-199.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:30] So there is no official channel? [14:30] no [14:31] err, yes [14:31] sorry [14:31] oh well, :/ [14:32] DasEi1 (n=root@f048254036.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:32] well this is the official "unofficial channel" [14:32] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [14:33] :D [14:33] haha [14:33] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:33] ugh, clicked kpovmodeler by accident == video meltdown [14:34] abendrot (n=shevek@athedsl-203503.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:34] wamaral (i=1000@187.35.236.214) joined ##slackware. [14:35] what's a clever command to delete backup files that are over one week old? Something with find i'm guessing [14:36] we are an official channel for the church of subgenius tho [14:36] subgeniusd (n=danielh@user-1121s53.dsl.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [14:37] "bob" approves [14:37] ptang! [14:37] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [14:38] fscannav (n=fabio@host142-46-dynamic.30-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Sto andando via" [14:40] anybody up on nfs v4? [14:41] trekdanne (n=trekdann@unaffiliated/trekdanne) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:42] ThunderWolf (n=chmod777@bl5-188-197.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. 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[14:45] xD [14:46] but like i was saying [14:46] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:46] ThunderWolf: the answer is no [14:46] do i need any special kernel [14:46] nice hadrware and nice sysop. it wil do. [14:46] ok. i hope [14:46] so [14:46] hm 4gigs of ram [14:46] but look [14:47] at LQ i saw a post where someone said that Slackware 12.2 DVD comes with a better kernel [14:47] ThunderWolf: if the installer works.. the system will work.. thats the BEST answer you can hope for [14:47] the huge kernel [14:47] ThunderWolf : for a future reference, the brand of memory or drive do not matter to any os [14:47] ananke i know, it was a copy paste [14:47] :D [14:48] ThunderWolf, the huge kernel is default [14:48] ThunderWolf : then you fail at editing [14:48] i had that idea as well [14:48] IrquiM_ (n=irquim@15.80-202-42.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [14:48] ThunderWolf, usually you use a different kernel after initial setup [14:48] f'ThunderWolf: you should think about special kernels, when you are preparing >2000 users server [14:48] "The huge kernel comes on the DVD. It will ask you during install which one you want to use." [14:48] in LQ [14:48] ok isse [14:48] IrquiM (n=irquim@15.80-202-42.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:48] ThunderWolf: huge-smp is the *default* [14:49] yeah yeah [14:49] ok guys [14:49] thanks alot [14:49] ThunderWolf (n=chmod777@bl5-188-197.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "out" [14:49] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-200514.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:49] Nick change: abendrot -> aperturefever [14:49] rodiguim (i=3ef4b8af@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4b0451d028ea9364) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [14:50] rAWjAW (n=rAWjAW@unaffiliated/rawjaw) left irc: "Leaving." 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Im such a nerd [15:43] *sigh* [15:44] gm151 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:44] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [15:44] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [15:45] bigpaws (n=karl@plns-64-111-131-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [15:45] slax_user (n=root@82.158.102.167.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:45] hi! [15:45] josemanuel (n=josemanu@139.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [15:45] I#m using slax live cd. [15:45] But i can't get my internal microphone running [15:45] does anybody know how to fix that? [15:45] yes join #slax [15:46] Karu (n=Karu@78-28-94-102.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:46] beat me to it [15:47] pankracy (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:47] the problem doesn't only occur on slax, and i already joined #slx but there are less ppl [15:47] so the odds are higher that someone in here can tell me [15:47] as slackware has the same problem [15:47] slax != slackware [15:47] you [15:47] alll linux i tried have that problem [15:48] I don't think you've tried slackware [15:48] install "Slackware" then comeback is all I can say. [15:48] right now i can't as i have no more free disk space [15:48] now i only have ubuntu and vista installed and disk is full [15:49] then post on slax forums, or linuxquestions.org ; we don't support slax or other forks of Slackware here [15:49] ok thx [15:49] i'll ask in #linux then [15:50] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [15:51] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [15:51] using 12.2 I have setup luks/lvm and followed the TXT. Booting anything other than ext3 fails on reboot any ideas? [15:51] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:51] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [15:51] i had slackware installed before but it was to difficult to handle. now i just use the live cd from tiem to time [15:52] slax is not related to slackware at all [15:52] Garak_ (n=Garak@stjhnf0112w-142162170051.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:52] humm, their website sais it is [15:52] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:52] it's based on slackware, but the two are completely separate projects and not related [15:52] i like it coz it seems to run faster than ubunut [15:53] ah, ok [15:53] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:54] pankracy (n=pankracy@fatcat.ftj.agh.edu.pl) left irc: "[BX] Chester Cheeta uses BitchX. Ayeuhayueuhayueuh!" [15:54] i put slax on a flash drive, seems pretty damn similar to me, minus the modules thing. It cant be too far off if you can do a conversion of any slackware package to module using a single command. [15:54] 15:52 < slax_user>..."ubunut" <---- My kind of man there ! :D [15:54] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:56] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [15:56] I can convert a tgz to a deb file or rpm, doesn't mean Slackware's like debian or opensuse :) [15:56] <_chess_> slax_user: have you searched LQ or the slackwiki or the slackbook or any of the other resources listed above regarding configuring sound in Slackware? [15:58] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [16:00] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [16:00] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:01] Old_Fogie: ok you got me there =). But I still say they are highly related even if totally seperate projects, not that you were disputing that. [16:03] josemanuel (n=josemanu@139.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [16:03] SiegeX: careful the Old_Fogie seems to have a bit of a temper on him this week :) [16:04] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [16:04] It's the arthritis flaring up [16:07] ok, ill go on reading then [16:07] thx [16:07] bye [16:07] slax_user (n=root@82.158.102.167.dyn.user.ono.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:07] guitarman4 (n=steve@d207-6-195-216.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:08] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.105.97) joined ##slackware. [16:08] dieter_ (n=dieter@92.117.78.138) joined ##slackware. [16:09] the 2 gigs of ram i have on my secondary box fried, so i shipped them out to ocz to be replaced, so atm the computer is out of commission, meanwhile i have a perfectly fine stick of ddr ram in front of me, 512mb ddr 333, but i dont want to put it in, going from 2 gB of ram to 1/2 of 1 gig is going to be painful [16:10] I run with 64mb on two boxes :) [16:10] but all this box does is web browsing and games [16:10] I got 512MB in this thinkpad [16:10] web browsing would be okay [16:11] I don't run games on it though [16:11] team fortress 2 or left 4 dead would be miserable [16:11] I can play ut2k4, torcs, openarena, nexuiz less than 512 fwiw; don't know about those games tho. [16:11] yeah games would appreciate the extra ram I would say [16:11] even with one of those 'old' 150 gig raptor drives in there, the hdd swapping would be rather painful [16:11] in the system "hosts" file, should the "localhost" line come first? or can it be just anywhere? [16:12] zlisir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:12] i dont think it matters where it is [16:12] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:13] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:13] Fenix-Dark: I think you'll be shocked how well 512 will do in the interim as you wait for your rma's personally. [16:13] worse than that was a few years back when i bought an iMac G5, it came with os x and 256 mB of ram [16:13] completely unusable [16:13] i bought a 512mB stick and brought it up to a comfortable 768mB [16:14] v4nelle (n=van@adsl45-16.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:14] Old_Fogie, well one of the 1gB sticks were bad, so for a day i ran with 1 stick of ram, very noticable difference with 1gB [16:15] dieter__ (n=dieter@92.117.78.138) joined ##slackware. [16:16] team fortress 2 min requirements: 1.2 ghz 256 mb ; left 4 dead 1 g ram 3 ghz ; so yea the left 4 dead is the loser there [16:17] my old pc got so bad it randomly switches between detecting 1GB or 2Gb at every boot [16:17] one times it sees 1GB, next time 2GB [16:18] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:18] "memory is ram" [16:20] guitarma14 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:20] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@C-59-100-81-83.bri.connect.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [16:23] pupit: I've just finished watching 2nd season for the 3rd time :P [16:23] haha [16:23] :) [16:23] i'm watching now the 3rd season, for the 2nd time. [16:23] Action: pupit wins. [16:24] ;) [16:24] :) [16:26] dieter_ (n=dieter@92.117.78.138) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:26] it crowd? [16:26] yep [16:27] havent seen i for a while [16:29] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:33] "hell's horses! a revolver!" [16:33] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [16:33] "i'm disabled" [16:33] the internet in the box was funny [16:34] lol, yeah [16:35] nzx (n=nezirus@tc-ppp-pool1-7.team.ba) joined ##slackware. [16:35] dive: i think it was more hilarious on the "presentation" of the "internet" :) [16:35] yeah [16:35] "the wises of the internet" [16:35] "its wireless" [16:35] dieter__ (n=dieter@92.117.78.138) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:36] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [16:37] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:37] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: ":Quit" [16:39] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. 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[16:50] i like warm overcast [16:51] |lestat| (n=pescotap@dl-lns2-tic-C8B11B39.dynamic.dialterra.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:51] |lestat| (n=pescotap@dl-lns2-tic-C8B11B39.dynamic.dialterra.com.br) left ##slackware. [16:53] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:54] spmd (n=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:56] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2+2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [16:58] |lestat| (n=pescotap@dl-lns2-tic-C8B11B39.dynamic.dialterra.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:58] <|lestat|> yuck.. does anyone knows what a DOM inspector do? [16:58] Inspect the DOM [16:58] Document Object Model [16:59] <|lestat|> FriedBob: excellent! [16:59] <|lestat|> FriedBob: cool [16:59] <|lestat|> FriedBob: do you think we need it in a mozilla installation? [17:01] <|lestat|> FriedBob: I was affraid it was something that whould mess up w/ DNS and so, I think it may not be harmfull... [17:01] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [17:01] <|lestat|> aye, go for it! [17:02] damn the deps for dvdrip [17:02] <|lestat|> FriedBob: thank you! (you was serious about that document stuff, right?) [17:02] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.105.97) left irc: "Leaving" [17:03] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:03] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: Excess Flood [17:03] |lestat|: Yes, I was serious. I'd install it, it can prove useful [17:03] dtanner, lol [17:03] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [17:03] <|lestat|> FriedBob: cuel! [17:04] <|lestat|> FriedBob: gonna leave now, gotta do some testing.. 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[17:40] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-198.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:40] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:41] jkwood: That would be one reason. [17:41] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [17:41] ice_nine (n=ice_nine@CPE00179a491de8-CM001bd7cb8f1a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:42] I just find it ironic. I listened to his complaints about gnome a couple years ago, and now he is using it. What a great way to stick your penguin in your mouth if you know what i mean. ;) [17:43] Rat409 (n=greg@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [17:44] Well, to be honest, the Fedora upgrade gave him a choice between the admittedly horrid KDE 4.0, or the horrid-but-nominally-usable Gnome 2. [17:45] Personally, I would think that someone like Linus could take the bull by the horns and build 3.5 against the new Fedora. [17:45] I mean, I've been running my own builds of KDE for quite some time now, and I'm not all that great. [17:45] I guess thats what you get when you use an distro that really focuses on having the latest and greatest. At least that's my impression of it. [17:45] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:45] jkwood, you're greater than i am [17:45] join ##woodchucks [17:45] bahh [17:46] greetings and salutations [17:46] jkwood: is great? [17:46] [in bed] [17:46] andarius, no [17:46] zomg, you checked his greatness in bed? [17:46] but i'm even less great than he is [17:47] nope [17:47] Absolutely. The summary makes a big deal about LT choosing to switch to a more usable desktop, but the actual interview covers a whole lot more. [17:47] this is in regards to slackware [17:48] wotcha andarius :) [17:49] andarius: Just commenting on how I find it ironic that I've been running my own builds of KDE for a while, but Linus couldn't bother to make his own build of 3.5 when Fedora force-upgraded him to 4.0. [17:49] jkwood, I found the interview to be quit good [17:50] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.97.138) joined ##slackware. [17:50] <_chess_> jkwood: I get the sense that Linus is too busy to deal with building KDE. I have read other interviews where he says he just wants something that works out of the box b/c he doesn't have time to deal with anything other than kernel development. [17:50] jkwood: Linus is a unique fella. his reasons are just that, his own and odd in the same way he is. [17:51] wotcha BP{k} :) [17:51] he is very pragmatic [17:51] just like your avarage penguin [17:52] _chess_: I can understand that, I guess. That always has been his argument, and he doesn't play politics. So I guess I can't complain. [17:52] Of course, I think he should use Slackware if he just wants something to work out of the box. [17:53] I kind of like fedora [17:53] <_chess_> there was a recent interview where he kinda dissed Slackware and other 'hacker' type distros, IIRC [17:53] _chess_, O_o [17:53] I'm trying out xfce. [17:53] looks good [17:53] <_chess_> which is why it really does not matter what he thinks about distro X or desktop environment Y [17:54] too true [17:54] <_chess_> he uses what works for him [17:54] a bit unexpected, but interresting non the less [17:54] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-60-29-87.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:54] tatototino (n=tatototi@189-46-115-65.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:55] That's really odd. I mean, if you're testing out compiling kernels, wouldn't you want a "clean" distro with which to do it? [17:55] http://news.oreilly.com/2008/07/linux-torvalds-on-linux-distri.html [17:55] looks like you mean that one, _chess_ [17:55] join #slackware-br [17:55] A distro that patches the crap out of the kernel doesn't seem like it'd be a good choice for kernel development to me. [17:55] BJJ [17:55] jkwood: agreed. [17:55] tatototino (n=tatototi@189-46-115-65.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware. [17:56] on the other hand, i think red hat is one of the leading contributors (company-wise) to the kernel [17:56] <_chess_> slackytude: yeah, that might have been the one [17:57] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:57] <_chess_> "So the only distributions I have actively avoided are the ones that are known to be "overly technical" - like the ones that encourage you to compile your own programs etc." [17:57] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Success [17:57] <_chess_> ^^ from the link slackytude posted [17:58] yeah, sounds like he didnt try it out at all [17:58] if it was me, I suppose I wouldn't want to waste time compiling stuff either :> [17:58] <_chess_> "Yeah, I can do it, but it kind of defeats the whole point of a distribution for me. So I like the ones that have a name of being easy to use. I've never used plain Debian, for example, but I like Ubuntu." [17:58] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:58] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2+2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [17:58] <_chess_> *shrug* [17:58] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [18:00] in that link i would simply say he notes easy of install and use which makes sense for many [18:02] hackeron (n=hackeron@cpc2-seve4-0-0-cust53.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Connection timed out [18:02] _ohm (n=nava@own30748RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [18:04] lots and lots of comments there too [18:04] some good ones even [18:04] tea4me (n=tea4me@DSPC3.WPI.EDU) left irc: [18:06] And the thing is, Linus never specifically said anything about Slackware. The writer of the article did. [18:07] Any of you folks know how to make it so that gmail doesn't top post when replying to emails? [18:07] Action: slackytude shrugs [18:08] realy, I like to play tha fanboy and I enjoy the occasional flame war (vim is better than emacs) but in the end I coulndt care less what other people use as their OS [18:09] alkos333: Scroll to the bottom of the email. [18:09] as Linus himself notes, the great things about linux is choice :) [18:09] Nick change: IceChant -> IceChant|AFK [18:10] jkwood: :P Come on.. that's too much work for a lazy folk like myself [18:10] it *is* funny how much he dissed gnome last year, though, and then switched :) [18:11] alkos333: Well... there may be a setting, but I haven't found it. [18:12] Its funny how people react to slackware, tho. Its either love or hate, there seems to be no middle ground [18:12] what's happening with linus? [18:12] he switched distro? [18:12] jkwood: Same here, I'll contact for an improvement because it's the little things that count :) [18:13] <_chess_> LnxSlck: no, switched from KDE to GNOME [18:13] Action: andarius places slackware on some middle ground :P [18:13] _chess_, he uses fedora right? [18:13] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [18:13] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:13] <_chess_> yes, and has for a long time [18:13] slackytude: I don't care about what other people use. [18:13] _chess_: He did? [18:13] _chess_, i thought he used yellow dog.. lol [18:13] alkos333, I was saying the same, just making an observation [18:13] I read his interview where he was cursing GNOME for being too idiot proof, etc. [18:14] <_chess_> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F24%2F1842218&from=rss [18:14] andarius, you do? [18:14] alkos333, do did i [18:14] yes, i like slackware but not for my desktop. i do not love it or hate it :) [18:14] i do run it on my servers [18:14] well i do love slackware [18:14] slackytude: Yes, Slackware has a very distinct ideology ... either you fall in love with it right away, or you turn your back on it and hate it :P [18:14] i use it on my desktop and laptop [18:15] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:15] dejai (n=dejai@230.15.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:15] LnxSlck: what? [18:16] alkos333, well, looks like andarius falls out of that cliche [18:16] alkos333, so did i [18:16] alkos333, i also read that interview [18:16] Action: andarius is a very uniq fella :) [18:16] andarius | sort | uniq [18:16] LnxSlck: Ah, yes [18:16] why did he change? [18:16] andarius: You are just living in denial :P [18:16] didn't liked kde4? [18:16] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:25] slackboy joined ##slackware. [18:25] I know the scripts pretty well and I dont think they are that complicated. Also, I dont know a distro which handles that simpler [18:25] IrquiM (n=irquim@15.80-202-42.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [18:25] try crux or gentoo [18:26] so, how do they deal with module loading? [18:27] with the single file [18:27] andarius: rc.modules.local [18:27] rworkman: i know [18:28] oh well [18:28] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:28] slack's init scripts are very complex compared to most [18:29] example, rc.inet{,.conf} is insanity :) [18:29] heh, I see [18:30] thank god for wicd ^-^ [18:30] YES! [18:30] wicd has really simplified things [18:30] rather than god you should thank the wicd devels ;) [18:30] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2+2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [18:30] altho I still like bsd style init better [18:31] the symlink stuff is just whacky [18:31] Speaking of wicd, http://slackware.com/~rworkman/wicd/ has package and sources of what's leading to 1.6.0 if anyone wants to give it a shot. For the cli client, you'll need to pull urwid from SBo too. [18:32] That may not be finished syncing yet, so wait a few [18:32] heh, our univeristys databank labor was infected by some kind of worm. when we used a usb stick to upload some sql stuff, it had a trojan on it [18:33] rworkman: I'll get it in a bit and report back. =) [18:33] aetheria (n=aetheria@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:33] slackytude: soudns like Conficker good luck getting rid of it :) [18:34] jkwood: okay, I'll ping you here when it finished syncing up. Still not done (sorry for the premature notice) [18:34] kitche, not my problem ^-^ [18:34] Oh, no problem. My tubes are pretty clogged at the moment anyway. [18:34] Okay, it's done [18:35] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [18:35] exlaz will square those tubes away [18:35] s/z/x/ [18:35] kitche, funny enough I was the first to get the stick after the lab. I saw the exe files but, running slack, didnt think about it. The next guy was saved by his AV software [18:35] boo @ rworkman's prematurity [18:35] perhaps that is why jkwood's tubes are clogged :| [18:35] Greyhound (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:35] hm... [18:35] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:35] still, there must be some infection going round. lots of people dealing daily with those pc's [18:36] That's not the mainline 1.6.0 branch, for those who haven't been following. It's my branch, which has some minor differences for handling kde4 and kde3, along with merging of _NaCl_'s curses stuff. [18:36] rworkman, there's a cli client? [18:36] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [18:36] You'll also need to fix the pm-utils.pc file in Slackware, due to an upstream bug in it, before the pm-utils stuff will work as expected. [18:36] dive: assuming it's ready for 1.6.0, yes :) [18:36] rworkman: nice :) did you see someone began work on a qt4 / solid backend ? [18:36] nice :) [18:37] thrice`: I heard that they have; I hope they're basing it off of 1.6.0's api. [18:37] it got put into playground a couple months back, so i doubt it (?) [18:37] I've been using the experimental branch in some form here for a month or so, and it's mostly good. [18:38] thrice`: well, if you have some contact with that person, you might want to ping them about it. [18:39] dive: that cli client was written by _NaCl_, whom you'll notice is in this channel, for whatever that means to you :) [18:39] It means salt to me, BTW. [18:39] nice, thanks _NaCl_ :) [18:39] for your chili ? [18:40] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [18:40] I did put some in, yes. [18:42] /cl [18:42] denied :P [18:43] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [18:43] lol sorry [18:45] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-422679.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:48] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Client Quit [18:49] http://pastebin.ca/1317426 [18:49] that's the tracepack for wicd-curses [18:49] traceback* [18:51] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [18:52] dejai (n=dejai@230.15.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [18:52] dejai_ (n=dejai@230.15.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [18:53] dive: you have urwid installed? [18:53] dejai_ (n=dejai@230.15.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:53] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [18:53] rworkman, yes i just installed it from sbo [18:55] dejai (n=dejai@230.15.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:55] dejai (n=dejai@230.15.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [18:55] dive: and you restarted the wicd daemon and all that, right? [18:56] (cause it works here) [18:56] Action: kitche really hates how slow antivirus companies are sometimes [18:56] rworkman, yes restarted [18:56] Action: slackytude really hates how slow sysadmins are sometimes [18:56] just patch the damn thing already [18:57] slackytude: I just did a antivirus scan on a malware piece and my antivirus didn't even detect it .... [18:58] rworkman, just tried to run one of the example files and they don't exist, although the 'examples' dir does [18:58] kitche: might be crypted with a new crypt technique [18:58] malware is crypted, and packed [18:58] anyone know how to make mysql server SNMP MIB available for query on a slackware system ? [18:58] your AV might not be updated for the new crypt technique [18:58] dive: from a terminal, just run "wicd-curses" and see what happens [18:58] thats what I did [18:59] zGhost: I know I m just seeing if antiviruses are catching Conficker or not yet and doesn't look that way [18:59] souljas (n=tony@nc-76-5-186-255.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [18:59] dive: hrm, damn. Not sure what's going on there then. Perhaps join #wicd and talk to _NaCl_ (who's not around right now, it seems) [19:00] k [19:00] kitche, which AV? [19:00] sourceforge must have been slow yesterday [19:00] slackytude: I use avast myself [19:00] Anyway, afk here for a while; food calls [19:00] kitche: might not be the actual piece of malware [19:00] malware can be packed, and crypted [19:00] kitche, know that. think its good [19:00] and the AV fooled [19:01] nargon, huh? [19:01] dive: I've had to stop and then start the wicd daemon sometimes, rather than just restarting it. [19:01] zGhost: ummm I know and it's the actual piece of malware considering I downloaded it right from a known site [19:01] kitche: technically I could take a worm from 5 years ago [19:01] and if crypted with a new crypt technique [19:01] jkwood, i wasn't running it so it was actually a start [19:01] it would not be detectable [19:02] zGhost: good for you this isn't encrypted like I said 5 times [19:02] how do you know? [19:02] Ah, well, back to the drawing board then. [19:02] kitche, where did you download it? [19:02] well the examples are there - not sure why I don't find them before [19:02] how do you know the person putting it on the site didn't crypt it [19:02] slackytude: offensive computering [19:02] nice name [19:03] It could have easily been crypted. [19:03] zGhost: because I m running it in a VM [19:03] that doesn't mean it's not crypted [19:03] gzamora (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [19:03] WARNING: This site contains samples of live malware. Use at your own risk. [19:03] heh, nice [19:03] I used to collect viri on floppies ^-^ [19:04] there's an app I used to know of [19:04] zGhost: once the .exe is ran it gets unpacked and loads itself in kernel32.exe [19:04] "plus its sophisticated way of avoiding detection, as it morphs its code constantly (using randomized elements) to make traditional, signature-based detection almost impossible." [19:04] that would decrypt and unpack it [19:04] ^^ that pertains to Conficker [19:04] kitche: there's different packing techniques other than cab, compression [19:05] zGhost: yes I know UPX among others I m not dumb [19:05] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.168.190) left irc: "Saindo" [19:05] I'm not saying you are... but I'm saying there are various reasons it could possibly be undetected [19:05] mib_cuenq44c (i=63e95c41@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6f05b326b438c72d) joined ##slackware. [19:05] other than out of date definitions, or bogus AV [19:06] I'm just trying to fucking help heh [19:06] andarius, isnt that a rather old trick? polymorphy is so 90's [19:07] andarius: exactly heuristics won't work [19:07] from what I have seen conficker doesn't morph the code really it just digs really deep into a system some people are still trying to get rid of it and it's been a few weeks [19:07] i am just posting what i was reading about it ;) [19:07] kitche: obviously it does [19:07] I m downloading zerowine right now [19:08] from waht i have read it is using a new and very effective method of morphing to avoid detection [19:08] Action: slackytude shurgs [19:09] which would explain why it isn't detecting it [19:09] aye [19:09] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:09] It doesnt take much to confuse your avaerage AV software anyway [19:09] and may never be able to [19:10] ion (i=ion@pure.noffle.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] hi [19:10] ello [19:10] Hello all, I am currently an Ubuntu user and am thinking of either switching to Gentoo or Slackware. I am a very *unsophisticated* user. [19:10] use gentoo [19:10] Slackware seems better documented [19:10] has anyone experienced not being able to set the date? [19:10] root@atomos:~# date -s "Jan 24" [19:10] Sat Jan 24 00:00:00 GMT 2009 [19:10] root@atomos:~# date [19:10] Sun Jan 25 05:08:50 GMT 2009 [19:10] Action: andarius finds gentoo docs are very hard to beat [19:11] i've seen this before but i don't know what is causing it [19:11] You think gentoo is well documented? [19:11] nope. i know it is [19:11] gentoo has good documenation for user stuff the install documentations could use work [19:12] but the committees fight so much on gentoo [19:12] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:12] That is where I get stuck--at installation [19:12] Stuff like figuring out USE flags et al [19:12] mib_cuenq44c, why do you want to switch? [19:12] well they make the install a bit more confusing then they have to really [19:13] I want to be a more empowered user [19:13] Ubuntu is very much like Windows [19:13] they think for me [19:13] both are good distros, it depends on more what you're after [19:13] bahh, use windows :) [19:13] Action: andarius runs away :P [19:13] mib_cuenq44c: the only way to know is to jump in and try something [19:14] Gentoo is hard to install whereas Ubuntu is wayyyyy easier [19:14] its not until after you do that that different distros make much of a difference [19:14] Action: kitche thinks most distros are the same hence why he stay aways from Linux [19:15] I do a lot of audio editing, use peripheral audio devices, some video editing, lotsa text and media stuff [19:15] Ubuntu has been great with package mangement [19:15] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:15] Lotsa goodies for the media enthusiast [19:15] both gentoo and slackware have their individual strengths [19:15] you mean Debian has been great for package management :) [19:15] An audio master said that Gentoo is better [19:15] Ahh yes, Debian [19:16] what Ubuntu is based on [19:16] Tried to run Debian but failed [19:16] Gentoo is for people that want control of there systems and hope their system does not break [19:16] gentoo probably has the most advanced package manager available, but the cost is compiling everything yourself [19:16] Slackware has a book I can buy [19:16] Slackware is for people that want control and want stable [19:17] My younger brother says slackware is his choice--and I like the Negativland reference [19:17] Seat be Sate [19:17] hmm surprised straterra didn't jump in on my comment :) [19:18] I seem to be banned from the Gentoo servers...all I said was 'Hello?' some months back [19:18] Maybe Mibbit is not a way to get in [19:18] But Slackware i seasier to jump on [19:19] Some channels aren't fond of mibbit. [19:19] Can I not get any opensource software I want on Slackware? [19:19] Anything Ubuntu has? [19:19] Negativland? [19:20] Yes, Negativland is where the Slackware name comes from! [19:20] Did you not know? [19:20] O_o [19:20] lol [19:20] You can put anything you want on Slackware. [19:20] You'll just want to get used to http://slackbuilds.org [19:21] Action: andarius puts debian on slackware :o [19:21] I also heard that Slackware can utilize the benefits of my CPU best [19:21] the name slackware cames long before ubuntu [19:21] give "stellar" performance [19:21] so slack back there made more sense [19:21] what jkwood said. but 1) slackware comes without gnome, so if you like gnome or gnoma based apps a lot, you need to install it and 2) some stuff needs to be compiled [19:21] mib_cuenq44c, Im pretty sure it has nothing to do with Negativland, watever that is [19:21] Does slackware come without a GUI? [19:22] Ohh, but it does! [19:22] Negativland I mean [19:22] It has kde, xfce fluxbox and some others [19:22] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [19:22] Slackware actually comes from the concept of Slack, part of the Church of the Subgenius. [19:23] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-198.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:23] Yes, he is part of Negativland--the subgenius [19:23] mib_cuenq44c: Slackware has X11 yes... [19:23] Well, i sused to listen to the Negativland radio show and he was part of it [19:23] So perhaps I am confused [19:23] Or just too old to remember [19:23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware#Name [19:24] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.43) joined ##slackware. [19:24] mib_cuenq44c, well, there seems to be a connection between negativland and subgenius, I grant you that [19:25] Back to Slackware--what do you think is better at utilizing the benefits of the CPU, software et al, Gentoo to Slackware? [19:25] gentoo [19:26] seriously, just try both [19:26] better at utilizing because it needs to compile everything? [19:26] heh [19:26] Rat409 (n=greg@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.2.6"). [19:27] Hmm, no books on Gentoo exist [19:27] handbook [19:27] The on-line documentation is really confusing [19:27] its prety much copy & past [19:27] do install gentoo [19:28] do/to [19:28] But then I am a newb [19:28] then choose slackware [19:28] as i said, copy & past [19:28] I don't think copy and paste [19:28] Because USE flags require some involvement [19:28] this isn't rocket science. you can't choose between slackware and gentoo, and gentoo isn't installing for you. isn't it logical to try slackware ? [19:28] More than just cut n paste [19:29] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [19:30] gentoo its boring... [19:30] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:30] 2 3 hours to install things [19:31] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-166-69-205.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:31] What sort of things? [19:31] every thing you can imagine [19:32] And Slackware is faster? [19:32] because it will have lots of dependecies [19:32] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:32] 20 minutes for install on a new machine [19:32] well, lets say 30 to be on the safe side [19:32] hehe a new machine [19:33] i forgot that not everyone has some old cheap pc like mine ;P [19:33] heh, yeah [19:33] Do you have to have sophistictaed knowledge on linux to operate it? [19:33] actually I dont know how fast a slack install is on a brand new machine. Its about 25 mins for my old stuff [19:34] Perhaps I should define sophisticated [19:34] mib_cuenq44c: try it for yourself [19:34] and see [19:34] I am learning terminal with the linux phrasebook [19:34] hba (n=hba@189.188.198.123) joined ##slackware. [19:35] What Gentoo taught me is not to try it unless I know a helluva lot more about linux [19:35] Whereas windows tards like me get stumble onto Ubuntu and get it working [19:35] you dont need to know much [19:36] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.81) joined ##slackware. [19:36] gentoo has lots of documentation [19:36] mib_cuenq44c, if you follow the slackbook, chances are good you'll land in kde within the hour [19:36] just use slackware [19:36] slackware its easy to install [19:37] depending on your hardware, most stuff should work out of the box [19:37] Why were some of your motivations for using slackware? [19:37] I wanted to learn linux [19:38] when i started most of the tutorials i found were about slackware and vim. so i switeched from redhat to slackware [19:38] *switched [19:39] slackware just has alot of stuff installed with its base [19:39] i like to compile stuff rather than do packages.. [19:39] slackware works good for me.. [19:39] I used Slackware as my first Linux distribution at version 9.1 [19:39] haven't looked back :D [19:39] heh [19:39] it really forces you to learn [19:40] Hmm, so I guess the claim on linux.org about how Slackware gives stellar performance [19:40] it forces you to learn basic linux stuff.. [19:40] it doesn't force you to learn a bunch of distro specific crap [19:40] my first try with linux was a debian. couldnt get it too load. tried redhat and landed in rpm hell. slack just worked [19:40] Slackware teaches you vanilla Linux, if you can use Slackware usually you can use any Linux easily... for one Slackware forces you to learn how to read documentation [19:41] which is a skill that comes in handy learning any other type of UNIX [19:41] nargon: has a point, on that, slackware teaches you linux [19:41] gentoo teaches you gentoo [19:41] Action: BP{k} occasionally wished that showed for some people visiting this channel. ;-) [19:41] :O [19:41] :) [19:41] Ahh, now that seems useful [19:41] BP{k}: hehe :D [19:42] You guys know what's wierd... I enjoy reading docs :| [19:42] Slackware teaches linux whereas Gentoo is specific to it's own flavor [19:42] "All linux distributions suck, Slackware Linux just sucks less" :) [19:42] mib, slackware is the first openly available linux distro [19:42] What do you think Ubuntu's weaknesses are? [19:42] and it was simply improved upon in a practical way [19:42] the fact that you depend on Ubuntu for everything [19:43] the fact that skills learned from Ubuntu are only useful in using Debian or Ubuntu [19:43] nargon: not the first, just the longest-living openly available linux distro [19:43] mib_cuenq44c: it's based in debian, do you want to know other weakness? ;) [19:43] the fact that Ubuntu is slow and buggy? [19:43] alisonken1home.. first freely available no ? [19:43] Ubuntu is the buggiest Linux distribution I've used so far. [19:43] no - that would be sls linux, which patrick took over and renamed to slackware when the sls guys lost interest [19:43] nargon: ^^^^ [19:43] That is true, it is buggy--especially if you try the latest version [19:44] ahh [19:44] Whenever I see some tard carrying an ubuntu disk I know he is a tool [19:45] Well Ubuntu helped me understand how a computer works--I knew nothing about CPU, memory, and all that stuff [19:45] Can't get any mor eForest gump than me [19:45] mib no offense :) [19:45] Action: jkwood larts nargon [19:45] No worries, I wanna learn [19:46] jkwood what is larts ? [19:46] Action: BP{k} hands jkwood a bigger lart [19:46] lawn dart? [19:46] I used to give newbies a ubuntu setup. these days I make a slackware setup and have remote acces for it. that works good so far [19:46] ... [19:46] lart(1M) [19:47] nargon: Local Admin Response Tool. Similar to the cluebat. [19:47] LART: luser attitude readjustment tool (ie, hammer) [19:47] mib_cuenq44c: dont overthink, just install slackware and try it for yourself [19:47] uhm ... [19:47] "wtf lart" [19:47] rob0++ for getting the right answer :) [19:48] lart - Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool - use a lart to adjust lusers' attitudes [19:48] because if you ask here if slackware is good ofcourse we are going to say it is ;P [19:48] same aplies in ubuntu channel suse channel etc etc [19:48] Usage: lart [ -use tool ] [ -bBfFgklp ] [19:48] I am just at the learning stage, I made the mistake of jumping into other OS's and went back to Ubuntu with my tail between my legs [19:48] iregardless of LART i know alot of tools who use ubuntu.. [19:48] BP{k}: It can be interpreted different ways. [19:49] I like the official definition better, though. [19:49] So I am just learning--the fact that I can get on a Slackware IRC easier than Gentoo also says something [19:49] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) joined ##slackware. [19:50] my buddy is a gentoo duude ... he's obsessed with it [19:50] mib_cuenq44c: what that we just did not ban mibbit yet [19:50] it's just /join #gentoo vs. ##slackware [19:50] Action: edman007 thought this is ##slackware [19:50] this is slackware! [19:50] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [19:50] iits not like this room every has extreamly technical conversation anyhow.. [19:50] I am spartacus! [19:50] why do people keep asking about other distros? ubuntu and now gentoo? [19:50] its always fluf talk.. [19:51] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [19:51] No! I am spartacus! [19:51] [ in bed ] [19:51] howdy slackers :D [19:51] Rather it is about making things easier for the intellectually challenged [19:51] like me! [19:51] slackytude: what ever works for you ;) [19:51] heh ^-^ [19:51] [x] in bed [19:51] Action: edman007 pulls slackytude out of bed and throws him off a bridge [19:52] Action: limac attempts to catch slackytude [19:52] Did anybody buy the Slackware book and DVD? [19:52] Is it heavy on jargon? [19:52] spits over the rail on slackytude [19:52] O_o [19:52] whoa, dudes, get of the anti-slackytude sentiment here [19:52] bad vibrations, man [19:53] i just don't like your name... [19:53] you lack taste [19:53] Actually I am quite salty [19:53] mib_cuenq44c: Which one are you referring too? [19:53] s/too/to/ [19:53] Darn lag. [19:53] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit." [19:53] only old sailors are salty [19:53] it reminds me of slacky.. the "hawian" guitar method.. where they don't have tuned strings [19:53] Action: slackytude waves to limac [19:54] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [19:54] Well, I'm told I taste salty [19:54] mib_cuenq44c, slackbook.org [19:54] check yourself [19:54] Oh, slackbook.org is the latest version? [19:54] necr0mancer (n=necr0man@c-76-98-108-129.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: [19:54] using 12.2 I have setup luks/lvm and followed the Crypt and lvm TXT. Booting anything other than ext3 fails on boot any ideas? [19:54] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.43) left irc: "Leaving" [19:55] Action: limac waves back at slackytude :) [19:55] mib_cuenq44c, there is a new one in writing [19:56] nargon, sounds horrible. [19:56] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-c742309b37f32be0) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:57] bigpaws, how does it fail? [19:58] bigpaws, does it stop in the middle of boot and print "FAIL!" ? [19:58] Perhaps before I leap into slackware I had better learn Bash a bit more [19:58] Error on boot failed from mounting the FS [19:58] no need mib_cuenq44c [19:58] I don't even get to the passwd prompt [19:59] I won't argue nargon sounds pretty mongrish [19:59] This is trying reiserfs and jfs, bit ext3 works [19:59] c /bit/but [19:59] bigpaws, got support for those FS in kernel/initrd ? [19:59] How tough would it be to install Audacity, Ardour, and all that good stuff on Slackware? [20:00] slackytude: When doing the mkinitrd I added them [20:01] mib_cuenq44c, both audacity and ardour are on slackbuilds.org [20:01] mib_cuenq44c: check http://slackbuilds.org [20:01] slackytude: I substituted ext3 in the TXT for reisferfs or jfs [20:01] ion (i=ion@pure.noffle.net) left ##slackware. [20:02] whoa ardour has a lot of dependencys [20:02] ohh, I see--thanks [20:02] bigpaws, sorry, out of ideas for the moment [20:03] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [20:03] Andwhatever is not on slackbuilds ther are instructions to do my own? [20:04] I suppose what you are saying is that for Gentoo I have to do everything on my own [20:04] http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [20:04] Whereas Slackware has stuff already prepared to save time [20:04] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: "[A] that love means death I realized too soon ..." [20:04] audacity and ardour are in sbo [20:04] slackytude: Thanks I was just wondering if anyone got antother FS running with LUKS.LVM [20:05] er, I see slackytude already covered that [20:05] Action: slakmagik rubs eyes [20:05] hba, thank you for the links [20:05] and Slackytude [20:05] and a nice ./configure && make && make install should work in most cases, although it wont make nice little packages [20:06] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [20:07] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:08] gzamora (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:08] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [20:12] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:15] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left ##slackware. 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[20:21] .xinitrc is for x-specific things, not for general stuff to run last I checked [20:21] dtanner: if you are using kdm/gdm i think they dont use .xinitrd :P [20:22] or what hba said :) [20:22] s/.xinitrd/.xinitrc/ [20:22] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [20:23] that is why i am asking , what file will X use to run apps when X starts up requardless of de/wm. what file to use besides ~/.xinitrc ? and i do not want to use a wm "startup apps". there has to be a place that will run aps at startup , such as a terminal/gkrellm [20:23] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:23] dtanner: if you are using kde i think you can use ~/.kde/autostar/ to put links/scripts to start when you loggin in kde. [20:23] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [20:24] slackytude: packages can be made by: ./configure ; make ; make install DESTDIR=some_temp_dir ; cd some_temp_dir ; mkdir install ; cd install ; add some install script (if needed) and description ; cd some_temp_dir ; makepkg package_name.tgz [20:25] ticonacho (n=ticonach@72.181.157.13) joined ##slackware. [20:26] Later fellas, g2g now :) [20:26] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [20:27] FDCX, thx [20:28] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.16.254) joined ##slackware. [20:29] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:30] slackytude : np; after all, that's how slackbuild scripts make packages; you should download some scripts, and analyze them [20:32] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:36] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:37] "In a recent Computerworld interview, Linus revealed that he's switched to Gnome ? this despite launching a heavily critical broadside against Gnome just a few years ago. His reason? He thinks KDE 4 is a 'disaster.' Although it's improved recently, he'll find many who agree with this prognosis, and KDE 4 can be painful to use." [20:38] i would just stick with kde-3.5.x before switching to gnome [20:39] who cares what Linus uses? he's a @#$ kernel programmer [20:40] i switched back to fluxbox from kde [20:40] ticonacho (n=ticonach@72.181.157.13) left irc: Connection timed out [20:41] Pig_Pen: At the time, Fedora forced the upgrade. The screw up was theirs, not KDEs. [20:41] he uses fedora - you don't choices to stay with 3.5 :> [20:41] KDE specifically told all the distros "This is not production code, do not use this as your main version, it is meant for testing." [20:42] fedora actually replaced kde3 with 4.0.3, iirc, which was a very bad version for end-users [20:44] typical of fedora [20:44] rAWjAW (n=rAWjAW@unaffiliated/rawjaw) joined ##slackware. [20:44] they like to push beta and broken packages upstream [20:45] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-457d046fd53688c6) joined ##slackware. [20:45] aetheria (n=aetheria@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [20:45] this is not news. [20:48] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [20:48] ticonacho (n=ticonach@72.181.157.13) joined ##slackware. [20:48] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.105.97) joined ##slackware. [20:48] the KDE developers should not have even released kde-4.x until it was in a very usable state [20:49] perhaps. [20:49] but some distros just like to upgrade their packages without reading the release notes. [20:49] why did fedora push kde 4.0.3? [20:49] Pig_Pen: That's all part of their "open development process." [20:50] Pig_Pen: er, I disagree. the kde developers told all distros not to package and ship it, yet some (like fedora) ignored such warnings [20:50] pi31415: because they push whatever latest available version of a package there is, without concern for stability [20:50] It's kind of like Pat letting people use -current. [20:50] It comes with the understanding that it may break your system. [20:50] Fedora is basically RH's -current... Most ppl don't think of it that way tho [20:50] fedora is notorious for bleeding edge (which makes no sense if they claim to be affiliated with redhat, at least to me) [20:51] but why do we care what WM/DE/distro Linus uses? [20:51] again, he's a @#$ kernel programmer [20:51] all distros use the linux kernel [20:51] it's interresting to hear what the creator of linux chooses [20:51] danillo (i=slack@201-69-144-113.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:52] TwinReverb: I'd like to think that Linus would use a distro where he could test his own kernel without a metric ton of patches, but oh well. [20:52] jkwood, as would i but oh well :) [20:52] I didn't think Linus really did any programming anymore.. [20:52] i would think his choice was simply a matter of ease of install/config but i don't know what he's thinking [20:52] slackware is a great distro for vanilla kernels [20:52] Action: TwinReverb nods [20:53] Minus the code that got rejected... or whatever it was [20:53] no, he maintains the development branch [20:53] I thought he 'managed' it [20:54] i'm pretty sure he's still quite involved with coding [20:54] didn't he once say that he's more of a coder than a leader? oh well. i really don't care which because linux rocks [20:55] i could very well be 'mis-remembering' [20:55] ThwinReverb: agreed [20:56] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:58] Hello all! http://pastebin.ca/1317608 wtf? [21:00] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.159.216) left irc: "leaving" [21:00] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.159.216) joined ##slackware. [21:01] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.159.216) left irc: Client Quit [21:01] wow, failure [21:01] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.159.216) joined ##slackware. [21:01] upyr, errors=continue / errors=remount-ro / errors=panic Define the behavior when an error is encountered. (Either ignore errors and just mark the file system erroneous and continue, or remount the file system read-only, or panic and halt the system.) The default is set in the filesystem superblock, and can be changed using tune2fs(8). [21:02] upyr, check dmesg for the error. you may need to fsck the filesystem. but check dmesg to find out what happened. [21:02] man there needs to be a plugin for xchat to be able to cut/paste man pages into channel (pieces of them) but have it do the reformatting. most of the time it took me was to dump line breaks and spaces so that it looked half way decent. [21:03] TwinReverb: thanks! I will try... [21:04] i think you would have to boot slackware cd/dvd and then fsck it that way (or a gparted live cd works) [21:04] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [21:05] Hello all. I've been googling around for ages trying to find a good wireless PCI card to run an access point to my network with. [21:05] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:05] Can anyone recommend one? I am pretty sure that I want something with an atheros chipset. [21:05] TwinReverb: ok. big thanks for help [21:07] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.81) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:08] mooglenorph: any atheros-based chips work very well [21:08] the problem is finding the chipset name from the brands. some companies like DLink change chips as often as they change prices [21:08] alisonken1home, I'm having trouble figuring out what cards are atheros-based, and if they support master mode in the madwifi drivers [21:09] any atheros-based chip will support master using the madwifi driver. [21:10] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:10] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [21:10] mooglenorph (n=marco@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [21:10] alisonken1home, that is heartening. [21:10] I just built a package for the madwifi-free branch earlier today. Want to test that tomorrow, and then upload. The current source functionality should be on par with the madwifi code [21:10] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.153.200.209.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [21:10] madwifi-free being the branch with the opensources HAL code [21:10] there are a few of the newer chips that are not supported by madwifi yet - and the new chips are probably only going to really get support in the ath[59]k driver - but master mode in ath[59] is still in alpha stage at this point [21:11] Good evening everyone. [21:11] For master mode the madwifi code is a requirement [21:11] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Client Quit [21:12] Charles1 (n=charles@adsl-65-85-180.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:14] GOOCH (n=gooch@124.170.178.101) left irc: "leaving" [21:14] Charles1 (n=charles@adsl-65-85-180.owb.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [21:15] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) joined ##slackware. [21:16] Has anyone here had experience compiling custom kernels for Slackware? I've read numerous How-To's, and yet I consistently get some kind of error when booting from the new kernel. [21:17] My mouse doesn't respond, my sound doesn't work, and during boot there are numerous errors about missing modules or something like that. [21:17] Well _did_ you build _and_ install the kernel modules for your kernel? [21:17] did you do make modules_install ? [21:17] Dusties (n=gooch@124-170-178-101.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [21:18] laters, sleepy time [21:18] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [21:18] PaddyMac: ? [21:19] One more sec and I am gone [21:19] Yep. I've compiled in different ways. After "make menuconfig", it's "Make" then "make modules" then "make modules_install" then "make install" is generally the method. [21:19] You obviously still miss many or all of your modules [21:19] Yes, alienBOB? [21:20] You do have modules for your new kernel in /lib/modules ? [21:20] Necrogami (n=Necrogam@unaffiliated/necrogami) left irc: Connection reset by peer [21:20] Yep. Something isn't right. [21:20] alienbob: Well, right now I have a clean install. I had it all screwed up so I started over. [21:21] If you made and installed your modules, then you have left out a whole lot of drivers during the menuconfig stage perhaps [21:21] Well, I certainly trimmed out a lot of drivers for hardware I don't have on my machine, but that's all I know about. [21:21] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:21] Try and start with Slackware's kernel .config file as a default, and start changing from there [21:22] You may be trimming stuff you think are useless but the kernel still needs (like SCSI support) [21:23] Action: TwinReverb agrees with alienBOB [21:23] i suppose. I don't have any SCSI devices on my desktop, however. [21:23] Anyway, I am out. 3.23 AM [21:23] Thanks alienBOB. [21:24] the best thing is to start with generic-smp and trim out only what you are sure you do not have. in my opinion, don't touch the SCSI section: pat's config on that part is already good. [21:24] many things use scsi that aren't advertised to the consumer (per se) as using SCSI protocols [21:25] Well, I'm still learning. I've never tried compiling a kernel until a few days ago. Perhaps someone can suggest a best guide to go by, which would include directions to make sure I don't screw up the default kernel so i can boot back into it if the newly compiled kernel doesn't work. [21:28] compiling a kernel is a learning process [21:28] One question about the Slackware guide and the README included in the source code - the README says not to use the /usr/src/linux symlink area, but the Slack guide does say to use it. Which is best? [21:28] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:28] i would say you should start with the generic-smp config, make your filesystems <*>, then go trim stuff you are sure you do not need [21:28] as for /usr/src/linux that's just a symlink. go download the kernel you want and compile that. [21:30] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [21:30] then only remove things you are sure you cannot install to your machine [21:30] Well, I guess I'll just give it some more trial and error. I have the source for 2.6.28.1 and for 2.6.29-rc2. Is the release candidate known to be stable enough for use now? [21:30] and be sure you specify your machine in the processor portion. if you're not SMP, remove SMP/SMT and include local APIC and I/O APIC. [21:31] OK [21:31] Garak_ (n=Garak@stjhnf0112w-142162170051.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] as for which one, don't use an -rc kernel [21:31] that's for developers mainly [21:31] Okay. I'll go with 2.6.28.1 then. [21:31] it will probably work for you but there's always that remote chance that it won't [21:31] oh, and do NOT remove PATA/SATA from the config [21:32] if you don't know what to do there, leave it alone [21:32] I made sure to leave in PATA because that's what my system uses. I have no SATA drives. [21:32] now what I did was go and download the spec sheet for my onboard chipset and use that to configure my kernel. it works great that way. [21:32] well just don't touch SATA unless you're absolutely sure (and by that i mean you are reading the chipset spec sheet) [21:33] will any new hardware will work on slack ? [21:33] there are machines out there i hear that have sata but the controller can be used in IDE mode for backwards compatibility [21:33] lw0x15_, depends on what it is [21:33] everything ? ;] just building a new pc from scratch [21:33] TwinReverb: Hmm... I hadn't thought of that. [21:34] case in point: for a while, ipw2200 (intel 2200BG wireless) was something i had to compile separately from the kernel, but it worked. recently it was added to the linux kernel, so for now i don't need add-ons. same process with my USB video cam: it used to be separate (slack 12.1) but now it's in the kernel itself (slack 12.2) [21:34] lw0x15_, www.linuxquestions.org/hcl [21:34] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.153.200.209.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) left irc: "Leaving." 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[22:05] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:06] dejai (n=dejai@230.15.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:07] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [22:07] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:08] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.81) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:08] Can slackware work on AMD 64 bit processors? [22:08] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.2.25) left irc: "Leaving" [22:09] Yes, no problem. [22:09] Linux box 2.6.27.7-smp #2 SMP Thu Nov 20 22:32:43 CST 2008 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [22:09] =] [22:09] mib_cuenq44c: ^ [22:09] opteron, phenom, turion? [22:09] i hate names [22:09] mib_cuenq44c, slackware runs in 32-bit only, which will run on a 64-bit CPU, if you want all the 64-bit features i would suggest slamd64 [22:10] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] mib_cuenq44c, 'AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ AuthenticAMD' [22:10] Athlon64 X2 is what most call it [22:11] mib_cuenq44c: I use slamd64 - it's (literally) slackware ported to x86_64 [22:11] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.105.97) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:11] So it works on 64 bit processors--it just does not utilize the benefits of it [22:12] slackware - yes. slamd64 is 64-bit slackware [22:12] ... [22:12] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.16.254) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:12] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [22:12] start by finding out the benefits and use them [22:13] Correct me if I am wrong (I am learning here) but is not 64 bit architecture supposed to run faster than 32 bit? [22:13] The only real issue on 64 bit linux was flash. [22:13] Theoretically? [22:13] And now they have a prerelese out for that. [22:14] mib_cuenq44c, sort of. 64 bit architectures have more room for stuff like unboxed floats in their words in some programming languages. [22:14] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.97.138) left irc: "leaving" [22:14] mib_cuenq44c, it is very doubtful that you'll see a significant speedup unless you're using 64 bit aware software [22:14] So if we have software designed for 32 bit--and run it on 64--might as well get a 32 bit processor [22:14] Because there is no change [22:15] mib_cuenq44c, do we have to answer that? lol [22:15] I am the one who lacks knowledge [22:15] other architectural concerns make way more of a difference. [22:15] And wishes to learn [22:16] In the beginning of the Slackware book--it states it was designed for Intel workstations [22:16] Most 64 bit processors will be faster than 32 bits because they tend to be better architectures anyway. [22:16] So AMD people are kind of an afterthought [22:17] Not at all. AMD is an x86 processor, just like intel. [22:17] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:17] So moogle, one can notice the difference in slackware is one runs benchmark tests? [22:17] Stock slackware will work perfectly fine on any AMD processor. [22:18] FWIW, I use Slamd64 (for AMD 64) on an Intel processor. [22:18] mooglenorph: only if the software is ported to use the 64-bits. usually it's other areas that show the improvement rather than just 64-bit hardware [22:18] Why does the book mention Intel? [22:19] alisonken1home, yes, that's what I mean. [22:19] Because x86 is an intel-developed architecture. [22:19] mib_cuenq44c: At one point, everything was recommended for an IBM PS/2. [22:19] But, if you had a "clone" of that computer, then it would work fine. [22:19] mooglenorph: intel was the original spec that everyone had to emulate for x86 architecture [22:20] alisonken1home: Are you talking to mib_cuenq44c or mooglenorph ? [22:20] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [22:21] Can anyone elaborate a bit about SLAMD64 versus stock, please? [22:21] jkwood: mib_cuenq44c :) mouse click after the shift up [22:21] mib_cuenq44c: just try slackware on your machine. [22:21] Slamd64 is not an official port of Slackware. [22:21] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2+2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [22:21] AFAIK, slamd64 is just stock re-compiled for a 64 bit architecture (called AMD64) which will execute natively on any core 2 duo or AMD64 chip. [22:21] It aims to provide a 64-bit, multilib port of Slackware to the AMD64 platform. [22:22] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:22] If you have to ask, you're most likely better off with Slackware. [22:22] jkwood: last I checked, there was NO officaly slackware port other than S/390, and I believe it's been discontinued [22:22] Does anyone know if flash 10 prerelese for linux 64 bit works okay now? [22:22] Slamd64 is nice if you need 64-bit apps to run, or if you have 8 gigs of memory. [22:23] mooglenorph: Yes. [22:23] (my slamd64 computer has no monitor) [22:23] mooglenorph: It works great. Want a SlackBuild for Slamd6$? [22:23] s/$/4/ [22:23] jkwood, I'm fine. my only 8GB compy doesn't even have x installed. [22:23] Moogle does not need a monitor because he is 'behind the screens' [22:24] Have you heard that expression? [22:24] Well, then. [22:24] (it is for number crunching) [22:24] It means you do not need a monitor because you know the program too well [22:24] (I don't have the moral fortitude to not play games on it, if it had a monitor and keyboard) [22:24] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.81) joined ##slackware. [22:24] mooglenorph: =) [22:24] Number crunching! [22:25] What sort? [22:25] figuring pi? [22:25] mib_cuenq44c, stochastic NLP mostly [22:25] ... [22:25] Wow [22:25] topic modeling [22:25] 3.16 and change [22:25] Action: pupit slaps mib_cuenq44c [22:25] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl9-166-215.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [22:26] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:26] And the slapping commences. [22:26] Ugh. I should really put a website together for when people ask me that sort of thing. [22:27] "here are the research papers I implemented poorly" [22:27] majikman (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [22:28] lol [22:28] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:28] looking at the slam64 website--thank you for telling me about this [22:29] No problem. =) [22:29] slam64? [22:29] lol [22:31] is it worth getting phenom ? [22:31] no. [22:32] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-60-29-87.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:32] pupit: what do you suggest [22:32] dual will be fine, just fine.. [22:33] http://www.ebuyer.com/product/151477 [22:33] only reason i see to hawe quad is for everyday all day big mega data analysis [22:33] geez why is it so expensive [22:33] have* [22:34] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:35] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:37] lw0x15_ latest 'n greatest, and amd has no cpu's that can compete with its performance [22:37] hmm beer [22:37] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.16.254) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:37] Fenix-Dark: why is it so great [22:37] i dont really understand [22:37] look at benchmarks [22:37] its 20ish% faster than the core 2 quads [22:39] dejai (n=dejai@230.15.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [22:40] pupit, i have a quad core (not one of the i7) cpus and it is quite useful [22:40] now i can rip/encode dvds and be able to do something else at the same time [22:40] Fenix-Dark: so? [22:41] "only reason i see to hawe quad is for everyday all day big meta data analysis" [22:41] What do you have fenix? [22:41] Q9450 [22:41] What manufacturer? [22:41] intel [22:42] I heard Intel is current leading edge of CPU's [22:42] indeed they are, with the core i7 line [22:42] Fenix-Dark: i think i did that rip/encode and some other stuff on a single core proc... [22:42] amd released their phenom II line of cpus and they're pretty competitive with the core 2 quad line [22:43] pupit, i'd rather not have to deal with my computer running at snail speed for hours while a rip a dvd [22:44] i get a good quality 2 pass rip done in under an hour and i dont have to limit what else i do because the comp will be too slow [22:45] the "i dont have it, so its probably useless" mentality is short sighted [22:46] i dont rip any dvd's ;-/ [22:46] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [22:46] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:47] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [22:47] Fenix-Dark: mentality of "i have quad, and i can do minesweeper while i rip/encode" [22:47] danillo (i=slack@201-69-144-113.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left irc: [22:48] ..and some xchat [22:48] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:48] My quad is very useful. In some experiments, it turns what should take four hours(ish) into one hour(ish). [22:48] Sometimes that turns into four days(ish) vs one day (ish). That's a pretty huge deal. [22:49] mooglenorph: u are using it for "right" stuff... ;) [22:49] mooglenorph: yeah, emacs runs better :) [22:50] hba, don't knock my operating system ;-) [22:51] mooglenorph: Do you boot into emacs, like I do? [22:51] mooglenorph: ops sorry, can i recomend you a good editor? ;) [22:51] mooglenorph, essentially. I use a tabbed window manager and most windows in it are emacs. [22:51] ...and there I go talking to myself. unfortunate side effects of emacs use (you can find them in the small print) [22:52] http://noobfarm.org/?id=682 [22:52] FriedBob, I would boot into it if I turned off my computer more than once a... year? [22:52] metriccwrench (n=ii@pool-71-191-97-135.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:57] mib_cuenq44c, say you have one xterm open [22:57] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.81) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [22:58] Yep, [22:58] mib_cuenq44c, you can start screen in that xterm and then switch between any number of terminal programs inside that one terminal [22:58] mib_cuenq44c, it is like tabs in firefox, for your command line stuff. it's brilliant. [22:58] Isn't that the tab feature? where you can switch between tabs like an excel worksheet? [22:59] iow screen continues running your apps even if you close terminal [22:59] No idea. I've never used excel. [22:59] And then you can reattatch to said session! <3 screen. [22:59] Lucky you moogle! [22:59] it's great for wget-ing ISOs, for example [22:59] On excel I mean [22:59] zlisir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:00] I have seen people with no GUI, just terminal for everything [23:00] That impresses me [23:00] I want to be like that [23:00] <-- [23:01] well i sometimes have to use X for some websites that elinks won't work on [23:01] You, Dive? [23:01] I prefer terminal apps for many things, but not all. [23:01] yes me dive [23:01] :) [23:01] So you boot directly into a terminal when you fire your machine up [23:01] paste here some screenshots of that screen :) [23:01] well I usually hibernate/suspend but yes [23:02] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.11.1.48) joined ##slackware. [23:02] i use mostly term progs like irssi, mutt, elinks etc [23:02] Action: jkwood steals dive's suspenders [23:02] So you have terminal monitoring your cpu, the date, weather, your e-mails etc. [23:02] and framebuffer for mplayer [23:02] fantastic! [23:02] i have scripts to do that [23:02] You could use ncmpc for a media player [23:03] Weather @ London/Gatwick: [23:03] ok no weather today [23:03] dling so its slow :p [23:03] I use ncmpc. It is nice. I like mpd. [23:03] Recently turned on to EasyTag and fslint for cleaning up my collection. Worked fantastically well. [23:03] Amarok pissed me off because it NEVER worked [23:03] dive: British people don't have weather. They have moods. [23:03] Weather: light rain [23:03] Temperature: 44 F (7 C) [23:04] true [23:04] rainy mood atm [23:04] British people make good music, man [23:04] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:04] I wish it was raining here, its been 40 degrees the past 3 days =/ [23:04] Being a Canadian and all [23:06] I've a friend who's into some canadian folk/country. I've had a listen to some of it - quite good I thought [23:06] Like who Dive? [23:06] nille_ (i=1000@c-2560e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [23:06] dejai (n=dejai@230.15.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: "Leaving" [23:06] I don't remember any names [23:07] Sandro Perri, stuff on the Constellation label [23:07] dive it's hard to say hello to someone then [23:07] all fiddle playing and banjo [23:07] Action: dive throws a brick at nille_ *bonk* [23:07] Oh, that kinda rural stuff [23:07] ;P [23:07] Hee Haw [23:07] Action: nille_ ouch [23:07] Desperado667 (n=Miranda@c-71-236-117-5.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:08] Well, Jedi Knights work in Terminal, I am still a wookie here [23:08] anyone tried the new kde4.2rc in current on slackware 12.2? is it stable enuff to use on an desktop? [23:09] mib_cuenq44c: OH GAWD IT BURNS [23:09] nille_: Without a doubt. [23:10] ok i guess i will install it then ;) [23:10] 4.2 is the release everyone has been waiting for. [23:10] yes i was too but you never know if it's realy as good as you hoped [23:11] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:11] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:11] It is. =) [23:11] nille_: I have downloaded it .. not yet installed. [23:12] i downloaded it yesterday and i'm realy want to try it [23:12] so i guess i will tonoght :) [23:12] It will make all your dreams come true. [23:12] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [23:12] s/tonoght/tonight [23:13] is there an classik k menu as well in kde4? [23:13] jkwood: included that isolated watermill in france for 400000 euros that I have my eye on ;) [23:13] s/classik/classic [23:14] nille_: Yeah, you can set it to classic. [23:14] s#;)#? ;)# [23:14] good [23:14] BP{k}: Yes. It will do that for you too. 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