[00:00] Alright what the hell is with rc.wireless + rc.inet1? Do you need rc.wireless? Can you just chmod -x it ? I want it to disappear forever. [00:00] lol [00:01] deja vu [00:01] Also here's a good tip [00:01] didn't you ask this question hours ago? [00:01] If you ever need some screws for something, just take your laptop apart and then reassemble it. [00:01] BANG! free screws [00:01] thrice`, yes but i just rebooted for the first time since then and nothing worked. :) [00:02] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: "leaving" [00:04] rc.wireless This script sets up PCI, USB, and 32-bit Cardbus wireless devices - NOT 16-bit PCMCIA cards (those are configured in /etc/pcmcia/).configured in /etc/pcmcia/). [00:04] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [00:04] i don't think getting rid of rc.wireless would be such a good idea [00:05] I do. rc.inet1 has almost everything you could ever want [00:05] NetworkManager! [00:06] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [00:06] poor danc3 [00:06] ardya, i don't want to be dependent on X for internet connectivity [00:06] he's gonna be SOL in about, oh, 3 sec [00:06] LOL [00:06] NM isnt an X app [00:07] well you could rename rc.wireless and reboot and see what happens i suppose [00:07] ardya, you aren't thinking of that gnome tray+daemon? [00:07] no [00:07] or -x it would porolly acheive the same goal [00:07] its a service [00:08] there's a gui front end to its config [00:08] http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/ ? [00:08] Nick change: dhabyxc -> dhabyx [00:09] I dont know, I never use it, and disable it wherever possible because it tends to be a POS [00:10] I hear its handy for wireless, but I dont have anything wireless, moot point for me [00:15] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [00:18] nyRednek_ (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:18] hackeron (n=hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [00:20] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.106.51) joined ##slackware. [00:20] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-195.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:28] anyone know of any ways to get slackware to recognize a sata hard drive? [00:28] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:28] benjamin_breen: easy, plug it in, boot up [00:28] boot [00:29] well been having trouble with a laptop to be specific it's a toshiba Satellite A505-S6017 [00:30] benjamin_breen, more specific. It's not seeing the drive physically? It's not mounting the drive? Does BIOS see it? etc [00:30] I have booted it from a Slackware 13.0 x86-64 dvd [00:30] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:30] Yes the bios sees it & so does Linux Mint 8 Helena but Slackeware does not see it nor mount it [00:31] define "does not see it", what have you tried ? [00:31] how are you trying to 'see' it? [00:31] fdisk /dev/sda [00:31] cfdisk /dev/sda [00:31] benjamin_breen, you mean it didn't automatically mount it after you booted the dvd? It doesn't do that automatcally, you have to tell it you want to mount a local disk [00:31] sfdisk /dev/sda [00:31] benjamin_breen, fdisk doesn't see it? [00:31] does it show in "fdisk -l" ? [00:31] Nope [00:32] its a hitachi drive I believe I could get more into about it by booting into Linux Mint 8 Helena [00:32] tried pretty much everything even tried mounting it but it would not mount [00:32] benjamin_breen, so right now if you booted Mint, you'd expect to see it without making any other changes? [00:33] not in fstab & doubt it shows up in dmesg output [00:33] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:33] Yep [00:33] benjamin_breen, did you check dmesg? dmesg | grep sda ? [00:33] I will try that [00:34] going to format the entire thing & run Slackware 13 [00:34] once it reconizes it [00:36] dmesg | grep sda shows nothing [00:36] zalost (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:36] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.23.50) left irc: Connection timed out [00:37] you may have to play with the sata modes in the bios. [00:38] Jack_CODEMONKEY (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [00:39] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:39] benjamin_breen (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:39] free_fx (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:41] Delahunt (n=robert@fd126-068.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [00:42] Jack_CODEMONKEY (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) left ##slackware. [00:43] benjamin_breen (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.106.51) left irc: "leaving" [00:45] output from cfdisk on /dev/sda Fatal ERROR: Cannot open disk drive [00:46] sure it's not showing up as /dev/hda instead? [00:46] (coming to the party late, I dunno what all you're dealing with) [00:47] hmm should try that [00:47] problems getting slack to recognize my hardware thats all [00:47] dmesg|less <--- look in there, maybe search for the drive manufacturer's name? [00:48] trying many things untill I find a solution [00:49] lots of ACPI errors hehe [00:51] scsi: Detection Failed (no card) [00:52] nothing about sda or hda in dmesg output scanned from top to bottom using less [00:53] can't open /dev/hda either [00:53] hmm I'm wondering if it could be bad media or corrupted download [00:53] was saying, look for the name of the drive manufacturer (maybe it's showing up as sde or something) [00:54] bad media, you mean the slackware CD/DVD image? doubtful you'd be able to install a working system from a bad image. [00:54] nothing showed up about hitachi anything [00:54] hm. [00:54] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:54] shows up in the BIOS boot screen? (assuming you have time to read it) [00:55] this is weird looking, am now using IRC with a font ripped from an Atari 800 ROM image [00:55] hdd1/sdd1 Hitachi HTS545050B9A300 (S2) [00:56] that ain't it? [00:56] Thats the hard drive [00:56] fdisk -l /dev/hdd # anything? [00:56] from Bios screen [00:57] your BIOS shows linux-style hdd or sdd names? neat. [00:57] no just says hdd for hard drive disk & sdd for Solid state disk [00:57] Urchlay, like this? http://www2.bitstream.net/~marksim/atarimac/fonts.html [00:58] SATA controller set to compatibility mode [00:58] I'm tempted to burn another Slackware 13.0 x86-64 disk lol [00:59] http://imagebin.org/81541 [00:59] cool font [00:59] MLanden: yeah, a lot like that, except I ripped this one from the ROM image myself, and it's an X font (BDF) [00:59] cool....real blast from the past [01:00] eh, and I drew my own ~ character (the standard atari charset hasn't got one) [01:01] man this problem is really kicking my ass [01:02] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [01:02] I think I might consider using Fedora 12 lol [01:03] Slackware 13.0 32bit was much easier to install [01:04] on my desktop [01:05] eh, if one Linux kernel doesn't recognize the drive, likely none of 'em will [01:05] Urchlay, all you need is that buzz buzz sound for that retro cassette effect..:) [01:05] which means I'd need a custom kernel yes? [01:06] MLanden: ugh, not too long ago I wrote a cassette emulator for the Atari (hook up the Atari to a PC, get some cassette image files, the PC pretends to be the tape drive and the Atari loads from it) [01:06] but here's the bitch of it all Linux Mint 8 Helena Installed & can see the drives [01:06] then there's something "special" about their kernel I guess. Slackware uses an unpatched Linux kernel, I dunno what mint uses (probably linux + debian's patches) [01:07] They're using 2.6.31-14 [01:07] lordloh (n=chatzill@75.111.171.148) joined ##slackware. [01:07] yeah, the -14 is the debian-specific patch level [01:07] real linux kernels don't have a -xx in their version numbers [01:08] Yep [01:08] what's the drive actually plugged into? motherboard or add-on card? [01:08] I think Motherboard I'd have to open it up to see [01:08] if it's an add-on card, it's possible you have to modprobe the driver for the card [01:09] Toshiba Satellite A505-S6017 is what laptop I'm using [01:09] oh, it's a laptop? highly unlikely it's an add-on card (there not being any PCI slots inside normal laptops...) [01:09] hmm yea & idk what driver to use so I'm sol there lol [01:10] is it the only hard drive in the machine at all? [01:10] Yep [01:10] Only 1 hard drive in the machine [01:11] and the installer saw it fine, or else you wouldn't have been able to install slackware at all, right? [01:11] It's just being a pita [01:11] No I can't install slackware [01:11] oh [01:11] I mentioned the 32bit version installed fine on my desktop [01:11] as in, you were trying to run "fdisk -l" from within the installer, and seeing no drives at all? [01:11] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:11] which is a different computer sorry for not telling you I was using a laptop [01:12] Yep you hit the nail on the head [01:12] did all kinds of other stuff to try & find the drives but to no avail [01:12] Axius (n=fd@92.82.79.110) joined ##slackware. [01:13] if fdisk, cfdisk, or sdisk worked I wouldn't have much of a problem [01:13] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:13] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [01:14] also it had Windows 7 oem installed that I was trying to keep I think now I am just going to wipe it lol [01:16] hm. Here's a page about a guy using slackware 12 (not 13) with it: http://home.comcast.net/~fbui/Linux-on-ToshibaA205.html [01:17] he says the drive is SATA, which is a bit of a clue for you maybe [01:17] (modern slackware should Just Work with SATA though) [01:18] I've installed xvidcap from http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/xvidcap/build/ using the slackbuild but I couldn't find the executable. I checked the /var/log/packages/xvidcap. It seems it is not in those paths too. [01:18] Yea I know trying to use Slackware 13 64bit cause anything lower doesn't have 54bit support [01:18] rjzovpjz (i=lordloh@75.111.171.148) joined ##slackware. [01:19] 64bit lol [01:19] typo [01:19] just out of curiosity, what if you boot the 32-bit slack 13 install disc? does it have the same problem? [01:19] don't know I could try it cause I have those disks too [01:19] rjzovpjz (i=lordloh@75.111.171.148) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:20] I was under the impression that 64bit processor probably wouldn't boot 32bit OS [01:20] now I think about it that is probably a misconception [01:22] take care,folks..talk to all later [01:22] benjamin_breen, x86_64 is x86 compatible [01:22] eh, no, x86_64 processors are backwards compatible [01:22] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-72-82-77-159.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:23] now, itanium (the *other* intel 64-bit platform) isn't backwards compatible, but AFAIK there's no such thing as an itanium laptop [01:23] (heh, if you had one, it'd melt your lap) [01:23] huh wow well the 32bit disk even has the Hugesmp.s kernel which my 64bit disk didn't have for some odd reason [01:23] nope same Fatal Error [01:24] I have an Intel i5 processor [01:25] Jack_CODEMONKEY (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [01:25] Jack_CODEMONKEY (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) left ##slackware. [01:25] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:25] benjamin_breen (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:26] benjamin_breen (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [01:26] same problem as before doesn't recognize the hard drive [01:26] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:27] hrmf. If you can find somebody who knows a lot more about SATA than I do, you might profit from explaining them the situation and showing them the output of "lspci" from the installer [01:27] I'm thinking I need to either modprobe to add a driver or kernel module or compile a custom kernel to get it to recognize it which is crappy [01:27] yep [01:27] (assuming the installer has the lspci command, I suppose it does) [01:27] sata not working? [01:27] it does have lspci but not lsusb [01:27] Yep [01:28] & it's driving me nuts [01:28] slackin (n=slackin@68.204.234.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:28] benjamin_breen: have you researched to see what driver should control it? [01:28] it is very possibly due to the kernel. it simply may not support the i5 machine. have you looked into that ? [01:28] lordloh (n=chatzill@75.111.171.148) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]" [01:29] by i5 machine I mean the sata controller [01:29] I should check into the driver & whether support for the sata controller should be at least somewhere either by driver, kernel module or kernel patch [01:29] andarius: he says linux mint (an ubuntu variant) autodetects & supports the controller, which makes it sound like a linux driver for it does exist [01:30] maybe or maybe not a linux driver that's part of the mainline kernel (thus exists in the slackware installer) [01:30] what does lspci say the device is? [01:30] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [01:30] kitche_ (i=kitche@silenceisdefeat.com) joined ##slackware. [01:30] I am not saying linux does not support it, perhaps just the kernel versionin 13 [01:30] Jack_CODEMONKEY (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] benjamin_breen (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:31] Jack_CODEMONKEY (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) left ##slackware. [01:31] benjamin_breen (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] sorry I get disconnected alot wireless hooked up to dial-up [01:33] benjamin_breen: so, what does lspci say the device is? [01:34] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:34] benjamin_breen (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:34] benjamin_breen (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [01:34] It's like said Linux Mint can autodetect & supports it [01:35] Action: Delahunt got his asus eee pc today [01:35] so, fire up your mint live CD, and "lspci -vv" to find out what kernel driver(s) are in use for that device? [01:36] and/or examine the output of dmesg|less to figure it out [01:36] even it it detects it, the mint kernel may have been configured differently or the module may be disabled in slackware, without knowing what the device is we cannot figure out which module or driver enables support. [01:36] slackwarebob (n=bobby@adsl-99-184-159-184.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:37] Jack_CODEMONKEY (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [01:38] Action: Delahunt wonders if he can get the 4gb drive to compress down into an image before wiping it with slackware [01:38] Action: Delahunt also wonders if the atheros on it is linux friendly (not ndis-wrapper / xandros friendly) [01:38] Jack_CODEMONKEY (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) left ##slackware. [01:38] benjamin_breen (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:39] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-221-119.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:39] benjamin_breen (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [01:39] ok [01:40] I keep getting bumped off [01:40] don't want to get bumped off, don't mess with the Mafia :) [01:40] lol yep mafia screws up mah wireless [01:40] benjamin_breen, do you like linux mint? I'm thinking of starting my girlfriend on an automagic linux distro. She doesn't care about much other than browsing the web and instant messaging and neither of us want me to have to hold her hand to accomplish anything. [01:41] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@168-103-56-22.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [01:41] you don't want to hold your girlfriend's hand? :) [01:41] Action: Delahunt no longer wonders [01:41] Urchlay, not her virtual hand [01:41] My wife loves Linux Mint I got her started with Linux Mint Fluxbox Community Edition back when it was Version 6 Elyssa I think [01:42] fluxbox hmmm. She has an older dell, that might not be a bad choice [01:42] she loved it cause it ran faster than Xp on her old Dell Inspiron 1200 [01:42] seriously, if you want to give her a "magic" distro like ubuntu, you probably want to give her actual ubuntu (unlike linux mint, it's widely used and actually has some dollars backing it) [01:42] with only 512 mb ram lol [01:42] xfce is pretty nice to for lightweight window manager [01:42] Urchlay, mint is repackaged ubuntu, more or less [01:42] mint is basically just ubuntu with a different default theme anyway (unless it's changed drastically in the last year) [01:42] right [01:43] benjamin_breen, i used xfce for awhile. Now i use openbox + xfce4-panel [01:44] benjamin_breen (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:44] Urchlay, well linux mint handles some of the issues that seem to prevent everyone from jumping in. Like flash and dvd playback. (correct me if i'm wrong benjamin_breen) [01:44] benjamin_breen (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [01:45] Action: mfillpot wonders if the sata issue fixed itself [01:45] Some things can only be accomplished through the command line I found out [01:45] benjamin_breen, that will be the case for some time yet i'm sure [01:45] s/for some time yet/always/ I suspect [01:46] Urchlay, well... /some things/ but as far as things that the average windows user will ever want to do, i don't think that's going to last [01:46] you might be right. I'm pretty far out of touch with what's considered an average user these days [01:47] I gave up in disgust a few years back [01:47] the only thing that would bring an average windows user to the command line is if the only way to pirate a movie or song was through the command line [01:47] (but to be fair, I'm kinda antisocial anyway) [01:47] Well, IRC is already beyond the average user :) as for sed, awk, grep, wpa_supplicant, vim... forget it. [01:49] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:49] lmao [01:49] true true [01:50] I got my wife to use the command line a little bit but she doesn't like it very much [01:50] irc isn't beyond the average user, just that the average user hasn't ever used IRC [01:50] showed her how to use man, time & few other things like ./ filetoexecutein current directory [01:51] I feel like linux will have "made it" for the layman when it can suspend and resume with extreme reliability and the pidgin team manages to reverse engineer the msn, yahoo, and aol voice/video protocols. [01:51] I think I showed her how to use date not time [01:51] lmao [01:51] that's all 95% of users care about [01:51] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:52] I must be not amongst those user cause I care about learning the command line & can use vi from the command line without too much hassle [01:53] i'm particularly impressed with suspend and resume in windows xp, especially since it's such a bitch in linux sometimes. In XP you can suspend in the middle Sims3 with no warning and it will be right where you left it when you resume [01:53] benjamin_breen, well you're already here, so no. You aren't one of them. [01:53] lmao [01:53] but when I look at my irc chat logs I feel like one of them. [01:54] haha, sure. I have my share of idiot questions [01:55] we all do, it is amazing how many times even the most experienced users overlook layer 1 issues [01:55] hiptobecubic: you have to try the suspend/resume on MacOSX, it's more more impressive than windows xp [01:55] illovae, yes. it's extremely fast. I'd love a glimpse at what they're doing [01:56] hehe Friends of mine came up with a cool mnemonic for OSI layers lol from top down I believe [01:56] fast and really stable, it's really a good work [01:58] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:59] gonna post output of lspci -vv on pastebin gimme a few mins [02:00] benjamin_breen: k [02:03] http://slackware.pastebin.com/d19effc40 [02:03] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:03] sup homies [02:03] hey antiwire [02:03] how's it goin' ? [02:03] APSTNDP = All Pretty Single Teenagers Need Digital Porn OSI model mnemonic for remembering layers lol [02:04] freaking wild [02:04] PDNTSPA = People Do Not Truncate Singluar Pez Anomalies bottom up [02:04] antiwire: You didn't get swept up in a tornado or anything? :P [02:04] we had that tornado come through down [02:04] tow* [02:04] town... [02:04] the second is from the bottom up the first is from the top down. [02:05] antiwire: yeah, I seen that on the news. Close to your house? [02:05] or on the other side of town? [02:06] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.23.50) joined ##slackware. [02:06] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:06] it was close [02:06] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [02:06] pretty close to where I live actually [02:07] Delahunt (n=robert@fd126-068.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [02:07] yikes [02:07] Glad you're alright. :) [02:08] benjamin_breen: the ata-piix driver is what is used for your sata controller, but there have been some issues getting it running to it's fullest potential [02:09] mfillpot crap thats what I didn't want to know lol [02:09] antiwire: A lot of damage done to anything? [02:09] benjamin_breen: go ahead and run "modprobe ata_piix" to see if dmesg picks it up [02:10] ok [02:10] brb though need to use the RR [02:10] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "time for us little kids to get some sleep" [02:10] fire|bird: some trees through garages and stuff like that [02:10] wow [02:13] benjamin_breen (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:13] benjamin_breen (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [02:13] benjamin_breen: you can comment out the blacklist entry for the module in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf line 172, this will allow the system to load the module on boot [02:14] good [02:14] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC312BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [02:15] why did they blacklist in the first place seems like a necessary module cause you gotta have hard drive support other stuff I could care less about lol [02:15] benjamin_breen: if it is unstable then it would be best to blacklist it by default then deal with a bunch of user complaints later [02:16] yea I guess makes sense [02:17] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@168-103-56-22.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:19] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start" [02:19] so modprobe ati_piix then once Slackware is installed go ahead & comment out the blacklist entry right? [02:19] benjamin_breen: it is not recognizing it on an installed system or when you try to install? [02:20] from the installer it won't recognize so the latter is correct [02:20] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-214-75.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [02:21] oops ata_piix [02:21] Module not found [02:21] benjamin_breen: well, you should be able to use modprobe from the installation disk, do the installation, then once it is installed you will have to change the blacklist file and you may have to compile the module into the initrd file so it is available on boot.. I have never had to dig that far, so I can guessing about the steps [02:22] ok well modprobe comes back with module not found [02:24] at a guess... ata-piix is the generic parallel ATA (aka IDE) disk controller support module. If it's the only way to get a SATA controller working, it means the SATA controller will be operating in PATA backwards-compatibility mode (how compatible? varies between controllers...) [02:24] I am seeing it in slackware64-13.0, what version are you running? [02:24] Slackware64-13.0 [02:25] I labeled each disk as to what it had on it [02:25] hmmm. maybe it is not included in the kernel that is used for the installer, can anyone else chime in here? [02:25] modprobe ata_piix output>> Fatal : Module ata_piix not found. [02:26] I went & commented out the blacklist entry as well [02:26] just in case [02:26] does the installer even have /lib/modules/`uname -r`/* at all? (I haven't used the installer in eons) [02:26] ok, I see it in the kernel source, but I am getting the same message as you [02:26] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.209.30) joined ##slackware. [02:27] btw I am running huge.s because no other kernels can be found on this disk I got it from http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-iso/ [02:27] Yep [02:28] eh, looking at a stock slack64-13 kernel, there's no ata_piix module. There's pata_oldpiix and pata_mpiix [02:28] try pata_oldpiix [02:28] If it was as simple as a bad burn then I'd have probably solved this problem but this is turning out to be one doozy of a problem [02:28] if it was a bad burn, you'd have never gotten this far [02:29] no hard drive support means I can't install Slackware & that really bums me out [02:29] in slackware 64 current and 13.0 the code is included at /usr/src/linux-2.6.32.3/drivers/ata/ata_piix.c [02:29] try "modprobe pata_oldiix" and/or "modprobe pata_mpiix" [02:29] mfillpot: yah, but there's no ata_piix.ko in /lib/modules [02:30] Ohh cool [02:30] eh? [02:30] nachow (n=a@122-124-139-166.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:31] hmm I want to be running the newest kernel right now Slackware 13.0 installer is working off 2.6.29.6 it looks like [02:31] rsj (n=rsj@59.94.209.48) joined ##slackware. [02:31] you'd have to make your own install ISO from slackware-current [02:31] Urchlay: I'm not too far into the kernel builds, does CONFIG_ATA_PIIX=y mean that it is installed and not as a module? [02:31] mfillpot: yes. Means it's built right into the kernel... is that the default in 13? [02:32] hmm If I could build my own install iso [02:32] hm, yah, appears to be [02:32] hmm [02:32] then maybe it could be an instablity because of a bios setting? [02:33] bios is set to SATA Compatibility mode [02:33] what's the other choice(s)? [02:33] AHCI I believe [02:33] Only other choice for the SATA controller [02:33] try it I guess [02:34] I have to no avail [02:34] (I dunno what AHCI stands for even, it's new to me) [02:34] Advanced Host Controller Interface [02:34] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("Bored by the chore of saving face."). [02:35] It even has an e sata port That I disabled from the bios but e sata is for external not internal [02:36] there is a Sata interface setting that has options of either Performance or Battery Life but I doubt that has anything to do with my problems [02:36] benjamin_breen: are you an experienced slackware user? and how did you confirm that the hdd(s) are not being seen by the system? [02:36] rsj (n=rsj@59.94.209.48) left irc: Client Quit [02:36] So what mirror should I try building my iso from? [02:36] cfdisk can't open /dev/sda nor /dev/hda & there is only 1 hard drive [02:36] nor can fdisk or sdisk [02:36] sfdisk* [02:37] benjamin_breen: did you try to run "fdisk -l"? [02:37] yep null output [02:37] so gives me nothing [02:38] I would say I'm an intermediate slackware user I can use most of the tools needed for installing but compiling my own kernel is not something I have tried nor Have i Tried building my own iso from the packages [02:38] so we know the module is installed by default on 13.0, but your disk(s) cannot be seen... have you changed or removed the HDD since your ran the last OS that had seen the disk? [02:39] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-214-75.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:39] I changed the disk with Linux Mint 8 Helena & before that with Windows to shrink the windows Partitions [02:39] maybe "dmesg|grep -i piix" might be instructive? (maybe it'll show you that the controller is blacklisted or something?) [02:40] ok [02:40] nachow (n=a@122-124-139-166.dynamic.hinet.net) left ##slackware. [02:41] no output [02:41] dmesg | grep -i piix [02:42] benjamin_breen: what exactly did you mean by "I changed the disk"? [02:42] I resized partitions & moved stuff around [02:43] with gparted running from Linux Mint 8 Helena as a LiveDisc [02:43] so you did not physically change out or remove the hard drive? [02:43] Yes I never Changed or Removed the hard drive [02:44] Urchlay: do you know if there is a command to see what built in modules are being used? [02:44] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-214-75.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [02:45] lsmod? [02:45] comes up with >> Module Size Used By [02:46] & nothing else [02:46] what does insmod do? [02:46] benjamin_breen: I thought that lsmod show modules that are loaded not installed, but I may be wrong [02:46] benjamin_breen (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:46] insmod - simple program to insert a module into the Linux Kernel [02:47] benjamin_breen (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [02:47] insert module? [02:47] read the manpage, that is were I got the description from [02:50] tuxdev_ (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:50] I am at a loss, because we know the module is installed, so you won't have to build a new kernel, the controller is detected so we know it is physically attached, but I con't figure out why it can't look into the controller to see the attached devices [02:53] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [02:56] benjamin_breen (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:57] benjamin_breen (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [02:57] ack still getting disconnected lol [02:57] Well I think I am going to head to bed for the night [02:58] thank you guys sooo much for your help. [02:58] I'm sorry I couldn't get it, but hopefully you have enough info for someonw new to help tomorrow [02:58] Yea I will probably try either one of two things [02:59] Build my own iso or build my own iso with custom Kernel [02:59] good luck [02:59] plus I want the hugesmp.s support because I want to utilize all the cores of my cpu that I can [02:59] alreadygone (i=1000@59.103.209.30) left irc: "Leaving" [02:59] yea shouldn't be too tough I am a Computer Science Major lol [03:00] undergrad [03:00] then you should know that generic can be better than huge [03:01] Oh yea just usually end up using huge cause it comes with slackware vanilla lol [03:01] I keep huge as a boot entry for a failsafe boot, but build a generic initrd asap [03:02] yea figures as much [03:06] ok well just want you guys to know I appreciate this very much any help is better than no help [03:07] benjamin_breen: I always try, now is time for you call it a night, it must be late where you are [03:08] jg71 (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:09] jg71 (n=edud@76.74.129.199) joined ##slackware. [03:12] yea 2 am [03:12] cya I will probably figure this out tommorrow after a good nights sleep [03:12] benjamin_breen (n=Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:12] enjoy and good luck [03:12] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-214-75.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:16] pat|nG (n=pating@unaffiliated/patng/x-0494689) joined ##slackware. [03:16] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [03:23] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-214-200.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [03:24] jailbox (n=laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:26] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:33] slackguru (n=slackgur@63-228-161-132.cdrr.qwest.net) left irc: "Haha, you quit!" [03:34] Delahunt (n=robert@fa210-113.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [03:34] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [03:35] alienBOB, ping (having issues with usb booter) [03:36] really? [03:37] Axius (n=fd@92.82.79.110) left irc: "leaving" [03:37] Action: Delahunt followed the instructions but while his asus eee pc will boot the usb key created by the installer, it won't boot one made by alienBOB 's script [03:38] i'm trying to figure out how i want to "shoehorn" an install on the netbook [03:38] what is different with the one made by alienbob's script? [03:39] it's got a ext2 partition to go with it that has the packages on it [03:41] ah, I've tried doing that for other distros and it never turned out well [03:41] Axius (n=fd@92.82.79.110) joined ##slackware. [03:43] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [03:50] Axius (n=fd@92.82.79.110) left irc: "leaving" [03:51] rg3 (n=deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [03:51] rg3 (n=deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Client Quit [03:51] Axius (n=fd@92.82.79.110) joined ##slackware. [03:51] >.< [03:52] pupit (n=p@109.93.234.170) joined ##slackware. [03:52] hello [03:52] illovae (n=C-18@unaffiliated/illovae) left irc: "leaving" [03:52] Axius (n=fd@92.82.79.110) left irc: Client Quit [03:53] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@20158174067.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:53] Reticent1 (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [03:54] I was wondering is it possible to build a latest transmission with an old slackbuild script with a minor changes to the script? [03:54] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:54] pupit: should be possible [03:55] pupit: should be possible, at the minimum, change the version number. [03:55] Axius (n=fd@92.82.79.110) joined ##slackware. [03:55] fire|bird: yeah... [03:55] i've done it a number of times [03:55] Delahunt (n=robert@fa210-113.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [03:55] I tried that with skype and BUM! used an old skype version.. [03:56] but trans. is not that complex.. guess it will work.. [03:56] I'll let you guys know if its gone well :) [03:56] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@20158139171.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [03:56] pupit: yeah, it should. good luck. :) [03:56] s/its/is [03:56] :) [03:58] do you recommend linuxpackages.net? Yes or No? [03:58] No [03:58] ok [04:06] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-58-158.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:08] packeteer, fire|bird: it went just fine :) [04:08] \o/ [04:08] glad to hear that pupit [04:08] Reticent1 (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left ##slackware. [04:08] and on that note, time to get going. Later everyone, take care. [04:08] what's lol for? :) [04:09] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [04:09] nvrmnd, take care [04:09] pupit: you mean the \o/ ? that's not lol, \o/ = yay [04:09] haha [04:09] ooh [04:09] news for me :D [04:09] ok ok [04:10] :) [04:10] later Reticenti, pupit :) [04:10] fire|bird: ;) [04:10] hey fire|bird, i set up dns caching on my computer without any help from anyone except the internet [04:10] =D [04:10] Reticenti: awesome, congrats. :) [04:11] so now hopefully dns lookups will be faster [04:11] \o [04:11] cya fire|bird [04:11] pupit: \o = waving [04:11] Action: fire|bird ducks [04:11] :D [04:11] :P [04:12] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@97-127-214-200.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:12] :) <--- that's a smiley face [04:12] I thought you miss typed. [04:12] :p [04:12] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-58-158.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [04:12] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-58-158.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:13] Reticenti: what amount of disk space dns cache takes? [04:14] i'm not sure [04:14] probably not too much [04:15] so, is it faster? 2-3 seconds? [04:16] it just improves the lookup speeds [04:16] instead of polling some dns serve,r it's local [04:17] oh, I thought its like, I type in youtube.com and it shows up immediately [04:18] you still have to download the page [04:18] do you know what dns is? [04:18] I know.... [04:18] i'm jsut hosting a dns server on my computer now [04:19] for some servers it goes for ever to lookup some site...and I don't know is site up, or namesrver is down just that.. [04:19] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-5-250.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [04:19]