[00:00] macavity: you didn't do something crazy useful like make .patches for the source/ tree did you? :D [00:00] macavity: oh, easy peasy. nvm [00:00] Action: gtl is building mesa-7.5 [00:00] Action: twolf is grateful his video is working [00:00] rworkman: why does the kernel have no problems booting the right drive with the two, but as soon as I throw the third into the mix, it gets all dumb? [00:01] macavity: you got kms working from the getgo? [00:01] I don't konw the answer to that, but I suspect it's BIOS related. [00:01] boot parms to pass? [00:01] eviljames: with the above intel will give me a working but somewhat slow setup using the defaults... and if you change it to UXA in xorg.conf it will run its ass off [00:01] chopp: what about drive controllers? are they separate and one is detected earlier (ie: for esata) [00:01] rworkman: alright thanks. I'll try the by-id [00:02] macavity: i meant 1280x800x32 bootup [00:02] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:02] eviljames: to get it from "pretty fast" to "wow?!? intel gfx can DO this?!?" you need kernel/libdrm upgrades and intel-2.8 [00:02] k, I'll test those as well. [00:02] eviljames: only with kernel 30.1 + patches [00:02] eviljames: there is two controllers, but all the drives are on one. The other is disabled since I'm not using raid. [00:02] now that the initial care & feeding is complete [00:03] eviljames: but yes, with that setup i boot straight to 1280x800x32 and it looks *awesome* :P [00:03] chopp: what if for some crazy reason if you plug the 1st drive into where you'd usually plug the 3rd? [00:03] macavity: i'm stoked. [00:03] eviljames: yeah I tried that as well. Swapped them all around a few times. :P [00:04] chopp: some boards are crazy like that [00:04] hahah i originally wrote 'some broads..' [00:04] and it's just about as true :P [00:04] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:04] haha [00:05] eviljames: to get that you need drm, i915 and intelfb built in, and boot with vga=normal (or no vga setting) [00:05] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:05] are you sure about intelfb? [00:05] macavity: surely there's a way to do it with those modular? [00:05] yes [00:06] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:06] Nick change: pizdets -> pizzledizzle [00:06] I thought I read earlier today that itnelfb shouldn't be used.. [00:06] it was in a patch though, so might take some digging.. [00:06] If I specify the card directly, HDMI works. [00:07] rworkman: if i dont compile them in it will just use the vga= setting untill x starts, then it resets the consoles to whatever size X is running [00:07] No mixer for it, it seems [00:07] rworkman: remember that drm et al gets loaded rather late in the boot process [00:07] rworkman: i have not yet tried doing this with an initrd [00:08] beatzz (n=sheep@97.115.187.147) left irc: "Leaving" [00:09] macavity: I'll explore that. [00:09] rworkman: oh, and regarding the last message in ChangeLog... from the people in here i have talkted to, the pixman downgrade has fixed the icon tray for a quite a few, but nobody has reported that it fixed the broken composite yet [00:09] rworkman: that is, from the people i have talked to [00:10] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:10] rworkman: uhm, KMS is broken on .29 [00:10] shit, finally got it [00:10] rworkman: at least with LVDS/laptops [00:11] ssh root@2ip -X -N -L 192.168.1.1:5900:2ip:5901 [00:11] does that sound right ? [00:12] macavity: yeah, I'm not testing KMS on .29. I'm not overly concerned about KMS either, tbh - I don't really give a rat's ass about it wrt Slackware 13.0 [00:12] IOW, I don't *care* if it works. I want the default configuration that we ship to work. Everything else can go to hell. [00:13] rworkman: roger.. that is what i have been testing against [00:13] macavity, mesa-7.5 is built, next is xorg? [00:14] gtl: yup [00:14] gtl: are you using Pat's system? [00:14] macavity, nope, not really [00:14] gtl: please so so for the xorg-server build [00:15] hmm, thanks! [00:15] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.155.191.32) joined ##slackware. [00:15] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [00:15] err... where can I get info on that? [00:15] rworkman: root=/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_WDC_WD5000AAKS-_WD-WMASY0249568-part2 works as long as I don't have the third drive attached, otherwise same old kernel panic. :( [00:15] hang on.. [00:15] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [00:16] gtl: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current/source/x/x11 [00:16] gtl: the quick way: grap everyting but the src/ dir [00:16] thanks =) [00:16] chopp, this is due to /dev/sdaX specified in the boot command [00:17] I don't mean to stuff words into other mouths but I think rworkman is suggesting that the amount of flux in these projects right now leads to the thought that we can troubleshoot and recompile all fscking day long and still miss some of the exceptions. [00:17] Emeau: so that should be changed? [00:18] gtl: mkdir src; cd src; mkdir xserver driver; cd xserver; wget ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current/source/x/x11/src/xserver/xorg-server-1.6.2.tar.xz; cd ../driver; wget ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current/source/x/x11/src/driver/xf86-video-intel-2.7.1.tar.xz [00:18] invert disk containing your linux boot image with your third drive and try to boot [00:18] one could only expect a slackware release with the number 13 attachec to it to be a little funky for some folks [00:18] or change /dev/sdaX in /dev/sdaY (Y being your system partition) [00:19] (in the boot command line) [00:19] gtl: then edit the configure/xorg-server to reflect the Mesa version [00:19] kb3rmq (n=casey@pool-71-253-3-131.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [00:19] Emeau: alright I'll try. [00:19] just a sec, this procedure is for intel video, right? [00:20] gtl: then call ./x11.SlackBuild xserver xorg-server [00:20] gtl: that rebuilds the xserver packages and dumps them in /tmp [00:20] =) [00:20] gtl: then ./x11.SlackBuild driver xf86-video-intel [00:20] gtl: guess what that does, and where it goes ;-) [00:21] call upgradepkg --reinstall on all of them [00:21] macavity, thanks, buddy... I'm not using intel video here =) [00:21] ah, ok [00:21] gtl: what are you using? [00:22] macavity, am struggling with ati, thought [00:22] did ati break with the last xorg upgrade? [00:22] sure did [00:22] or did it just never really work? [00:22] this install is fresh from -current [00:22] right [00:22] so it never really worked [00:23] the fglrx driver broke long ago, but radeonhd works here with -current [00:23] macavity, you ever vnc into kde ? [00:23] well.. now you know how to use patricks x11 build system [00:23] jeev: nope [00:23] hehe! thanks for the lesson! =) [00:23] shit man i used to do it [00:23] i just kind of startkde over ssh but it didn't look like it used to [00:23] i forgot what vnc i used. [00:23] twolf: still on mesa-7.4.4 and xorg-1.6.2? [00:23] and what i did [00:24] i think thrice` had suggested but i think he's mowing the neighbors lawn [00:24] gtl: do not forget to pester rworkman if this solves your problem :P [00:24] macavity: yes, but I don't have 3d [00:25] twolf: broken DRI? [00:25] twolf: if so, could you be assed to scroll up and follow the recipie what has been discussed? [00:25] twolf, I'm using radeon here. radeonhd gives better font rendering and apparently better resolution, but lousier glxgear fps output [00:25] macavity: I am not sure, when ati dropped support for the card in my laptop that is 2 years old I pretty much vowed to never buy ati again [00:25] macavity, sure will do [00:26] gtl: also pester him if it breaks things even more [00:26] macavity, btw, I'm planning a full reinstall this saturday [00:26] macavity: all I know is no 3d with radeonhd and a x1400 [00:26] Emeau: should the boot parameter in lilo not be a drive, as opposed to a partition? [00:26] twolf: anything terribly interesting in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? [00:26] twolf: eg, grep it for WW and EE? [00:26] give me your lilo boot entries and your fdisk -l output ( past it on pastebin for example) [00:27] macavity: let me try [00:28] gtl: oh, and if this totally fubars your machine, let us know too.. as you can probably tell, i am trying to push this upstream, so we especially need to know if it breaks something for someone else [00:28] macavity, what you mean by terribly interesting [00:28] eddief (n=eddie@cpe-66-65-52-231.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:29] i think other stuff is more responsible for that than mesa and/or xorg [00:29] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:29] namely me ! =) [00:29] :P [00:30] ? [00:30] terabytes (n=terabyte@189.77.186.219) joined ##slackware. [00:30] btw, does the radeon supports exa? [00:30] gtl: man radeon [00:31] Guilherme__ (n=Guilherm@189.63.215.52) joined ##slackware. [00:31] gtl: line 6 in the Description ;-) [00:31] that sure helps =) [00:32] Emeau: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/isolFX76.html [00:32] eelriver (n=eelriver@67.102.106.32) joined ##slackware. [00:32] great, where did you ninstalled slack ? (on which partition) [00:33] /dev/sda2 ? [00:33] Emeau: yes [00:33] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [00:33] have you the root entry in your lilo.conf ? [00:35] Emeau: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/8FcxEo16.html [00:35] Dominion, there? [00:35] restarting X... wish me luck :) [00:35] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:36] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.203.36.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:36] label = your_label [00:36] image = /boot/your_kernel_image [00:36] root = /dev/hda2 [00:36] try something like that in your lilo.conf file [00:36] cmair (n=cmair@host124-104-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [00:36] type # lilo [00:36] Emeau: hda2? [00:36] then reboot and try to boot on this entry [00:36] *sda2 [00:37] sry, adapt to your previous entry (make sure to change image path) [00:37] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.203.36.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:38] Emeau: that is what lilo.conf started as before I tried /dev/by-uuid/ and /dev/by-id/ [00:38] macavity, exa appears to work fine with latest xf86-video-ati [00:38] terabytes (n=terabyte@189.77.186.219) left irc: "Leaving" [00:39] mesa is building away.. [00:39] can you try this one ? ;) [00:40] wine (the beverage) has kicked in.... [00:40] time to hit the pillow, g'night all [00:40] gtl: i need to know that the default configuration works as intended with the build method from above [00:41] oh well.. we had him and we lost him :P [00:41] had this issue when added new disk 'cause didn't take in mind disk naming and detection order ;) [00:41] macavity, still here [00:42] if you plug a new drive in the first bus and your system drive is plugged in the second one, /dev/sda became /dev/sdb [00:42] but i haven't gone thought that procedure, not yet... can't afford risking breaking up my work system before weekend :) [00:43] so, if youy didn't switch disk, you can change the lilo entry from /dev/sda2 to /dev/sdb2 [00:43] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [00:43] If I make a demo in Slackware I hope I am not going to have to do all sorts of crazy things just to let SVGAlib or ALSA access the hardware when other people run it [00:43] or switch disk to make sure your system drive will be handled first and named /dev/sda :) [00:44] but I'll sure bug later :) [00:44] gtl: also, we can risk a false breakage report due to debugging mixed with alcohol ;-) [00:44] night all [00:44] good night :-) [00:45] understood chopp ? [00:46] eviljames: there comes a time in every serious slackers life when [s]he would like to be the owner of some really upclass iron with some really upclass RAIDs :P [00:46] for a system someone uses at home there should be a way to set it up so the hardware is just accessible... like in DOS [00:46] Emeau: yes and I'm back from trying it. I've tried this already with no success. [00:47] eddief (n=eddie@cpe-66-65-52-231.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:47] macavity: my server machine is going to be a recycled core2 board w/ 6x1.5tb raidz2 & 8gb of ram :P [00:47] dchmelik: here everyting Just Works [00:47] macavity: that'll happen in september when core i7 mobo/proc prices drop [00:48] Action: eviljames has patience... [00:48] macavity: yeah it 'Just Works' if you are the right user, group, with the right permissions [00:48] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-4-133.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:48] Guilherme_ (n=Guilherm@189.63.215.52) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:48] dchmelik: uhm, use adduser and read what it says on the screen... [00:48] hum, can you show me your actual lilo.conf and fdisk -l ? [00:49] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-77-115.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:49] dchmelik: press ArrowUp to be presented with the aditional groups needed for typical desktop user (eg, the stuff that should Just Work) [00:49] macavity, for example run KDE as non-root and kmix will ask you for a password every time. Now that is just stupid. [00:49] I did that with a user I set groups up for as you say [00:49] what?!? [00:50] hey doods [00:50] then you should be a member of the audio group [00:50] hahah nope. dchmelik there is an issue on your setup. [00:50] I thought adduser added that when I pressed up [00:50] you have to press enter [00:50] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:50] what is the output of "groups"? [00:50] it did, I just checked /etc/group [00:51] and you didnt do anything stupid like turning off udev or hal, right? [00:51] x11vnc > * [00:51] no, macavity [00:52] good :P [00:52] terminal emulator crashed 12.2 X again [00:52] seg fault [00:52] though I do not know if I have udev on... I assume I do.... [00:52] well signal 11, whatever it is [00:52] this is a different system [00:52] Emeau: nothing has changed. I've tried all these different entries in lilo.conf, and when it kernel panics I power down, unplug the third drive, startup, hot plug the drive, edit lilo.conf and try again. [00:53] ps ax just showed udev is on [00:53] oki doki, let's try a last one [00:53] then, if you are a member of "users floppy audio video cdrom plugdev power netdev" and you still cant tweak the volume, i suspect it is an alsa bug [00:53] then if i fail i let you in pretty more expert hands :) [00:53] I can tweak it--after I am forced to enter a password just because kmix starts [00:53] O_O [00:54] so, if you use ksysguard, kmix shows up as running as root? [00:54] your lilo.conf must look like that : [00:55] macavity, when I run that or task manager now it always says 'connection to localhost has been lost' and shows nothing. [00:55] boot = /dev/sda [00:55] label = blabla [00:55] dchmelik: it looks like something is severely broken on your system.. [00:55] root = /dev/sdb2 [00:55] then, plug your third drive and try this out [00:55] macavity, it did it even after I reinstalled [00:56] it is something in 12.2 or maybe also on my hardware [00:56] dchmelik: full install? [00:56] no [00:56] just what I need [00:56] or what you *think* you needed [00:56] erf... replace "boot = /dev/sda" with "boot = /dev/sdb"... [00:56] I have been installing that way for about 10 years... I pretty much know what I need [00:56] mesa build check! on to xserver with appropriate modifications... [00:56] Emeau: yup [00:57] eviljames: good man :-) [00:57] dchmelik: there is obviously something wrong [00:57] it is not like I need to install every KDE package... and I do have the admin one installed; I do not know what else would be needed for this.... [00:57] dchmelik: could you pastebin your ls /var/log/packages/ ? [00:58] dchmelik: did you get creative in other package categories as well besides KDE? [00:58] somewhat [00:59] macavity: I have to do a kernel yet, don't I? I'm on stock 29.6 atm. [00:59] I just noticed I have been on Slamd64 for a week or two... but this was happening for months on Slackware64-current... do you still want the paste? [00:59] eviljames: i need feedback on new-mesa-and-xorg-against-that before bumping anything else [01:00] eviljames: as we are trying to get this pushed up stream for 13 [01:00] copy that. [01:01] dchmelik: no thanks.. i have no idea what so ever about 64 bit specifics, and even less about slamd64 [01:01] chopp, worked ? [01:01] cmair (n=cmair@host124-104-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:01] eviljames: PM? [01:01] sure [01:03] luiz (n=luiz@unaffiliated/arcticc0) left irc: [01:04] what is the fastest AccelMethod for a Radeon? [01:05] I just discovered mine was set for XGA which isn't in the man [01:05] so I changed it to EXA [01:05] morning :) [01:05] http://lwn.net/Articles/343156/#Comments ^^ [01:06] dive: EXA should be faster, but apparently less mature [01:06] y0 Camarade_Tux [01:06] Camarade_Tux, morning [01:06] macavity, ah thanks [01:06] fire|bird, good morrow [01:06] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-16-114.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:07] i should really go to bed now.. [01:07] Emeau: Warning: /dev/sdb is not on the first disk Warning: The boot sector and map file are on different disks. Fatal: Illegal 'root=' specification: /dev/sdb2....and uhmm no [01:07] Action: Naraku unplugs macavity's net for he can goto bed [01:08] good night, and thanks for the Team Effort(TM) [01:08] hey dive [01:08] night macavity [01:08] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-42.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:08] huhu, ok, so, is there any helpfull man who can help mr chopp to fix out his issue ? [01:08] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "...And thanks for all the patches!" [01:09] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [01:09] chopp: are you trying to dual-boot windows or something? [01:09] yoyo fire|bird, dive :) [01:09] yht (n=yht@114.120.182.20) joined ##slackware. [01:09] shit man [01:09] virt-manager is for gnome [01:10] alisonken1noc: I don't use M$. I'm merely trying to add another drive to my system. :P [01:10] rworkman: next 10-15 minutes or so I should have a confirmation or nuclear explosion upon macavity's findings :D [01:11] interesting - I just add a new drive, partition, format, and specify mount points with usually no problems [01:11] alisonken1noc: yeah I know. It's baffled me what is going on here. [01:12] phillipsm (n=matt@173-20-30-158.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [01:12] eviljames: I'd really like to witness the nuclear detonation myself [01:12] alisonken1noc: if the third drive isn't plugged I can boot, then hotplug it, mount and write to it no problem. :P [01:13] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:13] :O, nuclear explosion. [01:13] yarvin (n=yarvin@static-71-166-162-195.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:13] Action: fire|bird makes some popcorn [01:13] chopp: sounds like a udev issue then [01:13] this is one of my favorite explosion videos of all time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KuGizBjDXo [01:14] gg pepcon [01:14] alisonken1noc: but I get kernel panic long before udev kicks in. [01:14] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [01:15] antiwire: i agree that explosion is rediculous [01:15] \o/, got my firewire/camcorder issue fixed. perms issue on /dev/raw1394 [01:16] it completely annihilate the whole plant and the surrounding area [01:16] eviljames: what nuclear explosion? [01:16] fire|bird: nice :) [01:16] fire|bird: hey right on....now fix mine. :P [01:16] chopp: you're still working with your adding another drive issue? [01:16] Action: Camarade_Tux notices it took fire|bird 10 hours to fix that :D [01:16] Camarade_Tux: nah, not quite that long, I wasn't home for a little while. [01:16] the first boom you think "yeah that's bad" and then the second one happens [01:17] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [01:17] Action: Camarade_Tux notices chopp is now on his 9th hour [01:17] fire|bird: maybe :( [01:17] fire|bird: he, I guess so ;) [01:17] exactly [01:18] chopp: what exactly are you having issues with? [01:19] Camarade_Tux: how are you? [01:19] bah, I just found out my parents tried to phone me several times yesterday without success, then the mailed me and I replied almost immediately >< [01:19] Neo_The_User (n=MaTriX@Wikimedia/Neo-The-User) left irc: "Leaving" [01:19] fire|bird: sleepy ;p [01:19] fire|bird: and you? :) [01:19] chopp: what kind of drive is the third drive you're adding? IDE? [01:19] argh! uxa works but is worse than was! [01:19] Billtoo_ (n=Bill@bas4-unionville55-1279488364.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:19] Camarade_Tux: doing excellent now. :) [01:19] Then, to make things worse, it's all worse performance than xorg-server-1.6.1 was! [01:20] chopp: if you can, plug your third drive in, then check the bios and see what kind of drive the bios shows it as [01:21] these are good ones too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcmmLvAYqkI [01:21] repeat on pepcon though [01:21] fire|bird: I get kernel panic with /dev/by-uuid/ /dev/by-id/ and /dev/sda2 [01:21] I'm sure there's some combination that will work. today is the day of bizarro land problems. [01:21] maybe it's just people from alberta. [01:21] chopp: yikes. [01:21] antiwire [01:21] what's going on [01:22] alisonken1noc: it is sata just like the existing two [01:22] chopp: check the slots that the drives are put in - make sure of the sequence of which drive is connected to which i/o port [01:23] alisonken1noc: I've tried all possible combo's on that. If I boot without it, I can plug, mount, and write to it no problem. [01:24] chopp: see if you can get the output of the kernel boot sequence before the kernel panic - it's beginning to sound like the 3rd drive is causing a resequencing of the disk locations (sda/b/c) [01:25] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:26] chopp: and also recheck your bios settings and see which disk is being set to which device (1st, 2nd, 3rd) [01:27] check your bios settings without the 3rd disk, then power down, plug in the 3rd disk, and recheck your bios settings [01:27] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.82.91) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:27] the idea is to see which location the disks are being seen as [01:28] but, it should be noted, that performance is totally fine w/o compositing. [01:28] the other possibility is if your computer bios is seeing a raid device (just something else to check) [01:28] alisonken1noc: everything matches in the bios, and on boot it's too fast for me to read befor the panic [01:29] would "raid=noautodetect" in lilo make a difference? [01:30] chopp: can you set a serial console and use a null-modem cable to another computer? [01:31] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.164.197.1) joined ##slackware. [01:31] alisonken1noc: been a long long time since I've done that, and I do have an null-modem cable........at the ex's :P [01:31] :) [01:32] I usually keep spare parts around so I can make one up as needed [01:32] alisonken1noc: yeah I think it'll have to be done [01:33] ok - as another check, install the 3rd drive and boot from cd, then browse the disks and see what's up [01:34] alisonken1noc: alright. I've had to use my disk a few dozen time's today, but didn't check anything out whilst I was there. :) [01:35] besides fixing lilo and rebooting [01:35] flame_me (n=flame_me@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:35] flame_me (n=flame_me@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:36] Billtoo_ (n=Bill@bas4-unionville55-1279488364.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.1" [01:37] alisonken1noc: and regarding the spare parts.....you're an sys admin, I'm an old rig hand ;) [01:38] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-140-27.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:38] bbiab [01:39] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: "Bye!" [01:39] alisonken1noc: and thanks for the help thus far [01:39] I'll be a rig hand soon enough [01:39] antiwire: \o/ [01:39] I'm getting my paperwork in order [01:40] chopp: anytime [01:40] antiwire: well you'll be on the same platform anyway [01:40] chopp: if it helps, my last job was working radio towers :) [01:40] alisonken1noc: that's another job i'd love [01:40] alisonken1noc: awsome :) [01:41] great view - sucks when the rain/snow kicks in [01:41] I want this job like you can't believe http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9760/empirebulb6rd.jpg [01:41] s/great view/great view of LA unless it's a smog day/ [01:41] user37909 (n=ldsldfn@ppp-69-223-62-150.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [01:41] alisonken1noc: been a few years since I worked derrick, but I can relate to that [01:41] seriously. I want a perilous job. I'm sick of indoor shit [01:41] why does linux set up /dev/root ? [01:41] rather than ie: /dev/md0 or /dev/sda1 ? [01:42] custom udev config? [01:42] jeev: /dev/root is so you don't have to keep track of the root partition - unlike a certain redmond o/s [01:42] it's a standard install [01:42] it's freaking annoying, that's the only way i could get grub-install to work on md0 [01:42] or on sda/sdb [01:42] is to change it in mtab temporarily [01:42] antiwire: I like that myself. I've had that pic saved here for along time. :) [01:43] from my understanding, playing with mtab while running is not a very nice thing to do to the kernel :) [01:43] jeev: yeah, but the distributor might have customised their udev config [01:43] I'll climb towers, rigs, work in the desert heat, winter snow whatever [01:43] antiwire: If you try installing a plasmoid from kde-look.org via Add Widgets, when you click close on that window afterwards, do you get errors and then plasma crashes? [01:43] fire|bird: probably [01:43] fire|bird: I'm over it. it's all unstable [01:44] antiwire: was that pic taken on top of one the world trade centers? [01:44] Action: chopp rubs his fluxbox [01:44] alice_, it's temp [01:44] alisonken1noc [01:44] antiwire, tree work is pretty cool too [01:44] twolf: I don't know but given the chance I'd be the camera man [01:44] antiwire: indeed [01:44] antiwire ? [01:44] antiwire: heh, I was just curious. I'm on pixman 0.15.18. :D [01:45] jeev: freak! [01:45] dood you're not fuckin answering me [01:45] my sister has problems using the elevator or driving over a bridge, so I don't think she'd be looking into those kinds of jobs [01:45] I used to work for a brick mason and we rebuilt chimneys on the roof of tall old houses, that was scome scarey stuff, but I loved it [01:46] yht (n=yht@114.120.182.20) left irc: "I must go.." [01:48] Guilherme_ (n=Guilherm@189.63.215.52) joined ##slackware. [01:48] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.65.94) joined ##slackware. [01:49] twolf, crazy. old houses are freaky [01:49] I don't have the heights problem [01:49] or water, or anything like that [01:49] my only problem would be the sudden decelleration at the bottom :) [01:49] jeev: especially with really steep roofs that you have to lift lots of heavy objects onto [01:49] I get motion sickness though, which I think I can overcome [01:50] not vertigo, sea sick bullshit [01:50] it's more angering than anything [01:50] I used to get seasick the first week of pulling out of port. after feeding the fish I'd be fine the rest of the cruise until we pulled back into port [01:51] twolf: see the white prefabs about 3/4 up the derrick? There's an escape line from there to an anchor in the corner of the location. Loved riding it down every chance I got. http://chopp.homelinux.com:8080/pub/Nabors_21E.JPG [01:51] I was on a sailboat once and I *had* help the captain no matter what. I was blowing chunks and continued helping [01:51] haha [01:51] it's just annoying to be mentally fine but barfing [01:51] chopp: nice! [01:51] akSeya (n=akSeya@187-26-65-98.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:51] the cable running from the back that's just barely visible? [01:52] heights definitely scare me, but I love to be scared so I embrace it [01:52] chopp: that's an awesome image [01:52] alisonken1noc: no, it runs the other direction [01:52] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-16-26.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:52] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:53] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:53] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-114.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:53] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [01:53] antiwire: yeah it was a nice rig to work on [01:54] chopp: where was that? [01:54] usus12jari (n=duodenum@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [01:54] twolf: limestone mountain in western alberta [01:54] cool [01:54] Guilherme__ (n=Guilherm@189.63.215.52) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:55] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.164.197.1) left irc: "leaving" [01:57] well I'm off to check this drive bs out. It's driving me insane....oh wait..I'm already there [01:57] hehe [01:57] lol [01:58] phillipsm (n=matt@173-20-30-158.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [01:59] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:01] Hmm, all of a sudden urxvt isn't working: urxvt: unable to load base fontset, please specify a valid one using -fn, aborting. [02:01] fire|bird: do you have something set with -fn ? [02:02] twolf: custom ~/.Xdefaults :) [02:02] so I have a font set, yeah. [02:02] I've tried with what was working before, gamow, and now Terminus and Monospace, I get the same message no matter what. [02:03] Gutz-afk (n=here@ip174-70-131-136.ks.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:03] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-140-27.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:03] fire|bird: have you tried removing the font argument to see what happens? [02:04] not yet, was just trying something else first, then was going to try that. [02:04] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488364.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:05] twolf: yup, same message without anything set. [02:06] fire|bird: weird, I have never used that terminal, but of all the terminals I have use that used that argument I have never seen that error [02:06] twolf: heh, I just tried moving .Xdefaults so there wasn't one and still the same thing. [02:07] fire|bird, you don't have an alias set do you by any chance? [02:07] dive: not that I know of, no. [02:07] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:07] Nick change: Gutz-afk -> Gutzmek [02:07] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [02:08] fire|bird: any other terminal work properly? [02:08] rxvt works, just not urxvt [02:08] eterm works [02:08] xterm works [02:08] aterm works [02:10] I used to use mrxvt because of its tab abilities, but now I use sakura [02:10] yeah, sakura is very nice, but I didn't like how in irssi, I couldn't use Alt+# to switch windows. [02:10] if i add one thing to the kernel for example, on a slack default install.. i build and install it [02:10] why doesn't it build ext3 into the kernel and module by default [02:10] am i doing something wrong ? [02:10] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [02:10] i'm always getting vfs issues [02:11] ah yeah I use aterm just for irssi [02:11] user37909 (n=ldsldfn@ppp-69-223-62-150.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:11] I use a borderless aterm for irc [02:12] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [02:14] twolf: what do you use to spawn a borderless aterm? Also, what font do you use with it? [02:15] fire|bird: I use the argurment -tr to make it borderless, and the font argument is -fn 9x15, which looks good on my desktop [02:16] ok, thanks. [02:16] snowdonkey (n=bennett@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:16] snowdonkey (n=bennett@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [02:16] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488364.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [02:16] fire|bird: the -tr doesn't work with version 1.0 that is on sbo, you must use the 1.0.1 or 1.1 for the -tr to work [02:16] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:17] Bop__ (n=ngomes@bl8-148-195.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [02:17] twolf: ah, ok, because the -tr didn't make it borderless, it made it transparent. :P [02:17] ahh, sorry : -bl [02:17] hehe [02:17] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:17] lol, fortune: A man is only as old as the woman he feels. -- Groucho Marx [02:18] lol [02:18] Second the motion! [02:18] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:18] (or is that Second Hand the emotion?) [02:18] lol [02:19] alisonken1noc, how do you like your job so far [02:19] having fun so far [02:19] how about you? [02:19] cool [02:19] i work for myself lol [02:19] as long as you're having fun [02:19] twolf: with the 9x15, what would be the next step up in size? [02:19] I remember seeing one that said something like ¨why go with a 40 year old when you can have 2 20s. -- George Burns¨ [02:19] :> [02:19] twolf: haha, yeah, I remember seeing that one. [02:19] bbiab [02:20] fire|bird: smaller or larger? [02:20] Bette Midler: "My boyfriend Ernie said 'When I'm 80, I'm going to marry a 20 year old", I replied "Ernie - When I'm 80 I'm going to marry a 20 year old" [02:20] twolf: larger [02:21] "And let me tell you something - 20 goes into 80 a heck of a lot more than 80 goes into 20!" [02:21] fire|bird: I think it would be 9x17 but I am not sure [02:21] alisonken1noc: lmao [02:22] yeah - she's an entertainer all right :) [02:25] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8985A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:26] morning people of slack! [02:26] mornin' [02:26] its friday! [02:26] woohoo [02:26] I don't have to work tomorrow thankfully [02:26] mornin twolf [02:27] well, I'm on my friday now, so when 6am rolls around, I'll be starting my weekend [02:27] just 8 hours to go [02:27] :( [02:27] I don't have to be back to work until monday [02:28] you usuall,y work on weekends? [02:28] 42 degrees celcius here today. tomorrow too [02:28] not me, but I usually work fridays [02:28] my week starts sunday night - starting this weekend, though, it will be sunday night midnight rather than sunday night 10pm [02:28] sahko, thats hot! [02:28] ouch [02:29] alisonken1noc, thats good? [02:29] slackytude: no shit. its not 42 yet, but will be at noon. yesterday it was 40 [02:29] doesn't sound too good [02:29] yes and no - means I don't get home before the kid goes to school, but I get to spend some time with the wife after he goes to bed before I go to work :) [02:30] wow ahahahaha [02:30] dash cam, the cop is like, "you didn't realize we give pretty girls tickets" [02:30] you can't hear her, she's like yea [02:30] twolf: ok, thanks. [02:30] he's like, "you're right, sign here" [02:30] LOL [02:30] y0 slackytude [02:30] twolf: that made it smaller. :P [02:30] y0 y0 fire|bird [02:31] slackytude: how's it going? [02:31] fire|bird: you might try 9x13 then [02:31] fire|bird, fine! just eight hours to go and its weekend [02:31] this week was longer than usual [02:31] twolf: smaller yet. :P [02:31] sahko, where are you at? [02:31] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [02:31] slackytude: \o/ for the weekend. [02:32] aye! [02:32] wow, dang I don't know how it works then, all I know is 9x15 looks good here [02:33] heh, well, it looks alright here, but could be a tad bigger. [02:33] seems weird that 9x13 and 9x17 would both be bigger than 9x15 [02:33] I mean smaller [02:33] paissad-hp (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:34] thats what she said! [02:34] but I know ther are many options for fonts, that one just worked for me years ago and I stuck with it [02:34] hehe [02:34] [in bed] [02:34] dangit! [02:34] [on the couch] [02:34] [in a tree] [02:35] [on a motorcycle] [02:35] [in the dining room with the candle stick] [02:35] O_O [02:35] doh! [02:35] s/candle stick/unlit candle stick/ ;) [02:35] O_o [02:35] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:36] O_X [02:36] >< [02:36] shonudo (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:36] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:36] I won't knock it until I try it [02:36] >_< [02:36] haha [02:36] dive: O_X, what, you get punched in one eye? [02:36] yeah [02:36] one eye dead [02:36] dive: Ah, so you were the one in the dining room. :P [02:36] things got crazy eh? [02:37] paissad-hp (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [02:37] I did it in the library with the rope [02:37] slackytude: northern greece [02:37] :O [02:37] in the dining room with a hammer [02:37] dive: you Tarzan, she Jane? [02:37] lol [02:37] sahko, oh [02:37] slackytude: roman hammer, greek hammer, or neanderthal hammer? [02:38] alisonken1noc, all three! [02:38] O_o [02:40] lets hope there wont be any customers today [02:40] I'm reading up on udev and am seeing a command udevinfo, is this depreceated and/or is there an equivelent in 12.2? [02:40] udevadm info [02:41] same for others, i.e. udevadm monitor [02:41] thanks [02:41] no sweat [02:44] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [02:44] brb [02:44] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware ("Here I go!"). [02:45] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [02:46] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [02:46] fire|bird (n=frame|bu@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [02:46] back. :D [02:46] slackytude: btw, I got the camcorder issue fixed. :) [02:46] Nick change: fire|bird -> Guest81591 [02:46] hooray for boobies! [02:46] whoops [02:46] what was the problem? [02:47] Nick change: Guest81591 -> fire|bird [02:47] slackytude: perms issue on /dev/raw1394 [02:47] ah, those nasty perms [02:47] just do a chmod -r 777 in / [02:48] and now it works great with kino. :) \o/ [02:48] fire|bird, so er, you chown the group to video and chmod a+g it? [02:48] since its in /dev it probably needs udev rule [02:48] a+g ? [02:48] all + group? [02:48] or is it g+a :P [02:48] slackytude: yeah, that's what eviljames mentioned. I'll have to look into making one for it. [02:49] easy peasy [02:49] Good night boys and girls and fire|bird [02:49] gn8 Naraku [02:49] night Naraku [02:49] nn [02:49] shonudo (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [02:49] dive: this time anyway, I just chown -R firebird:users /dev/raw1394 [02:49] slackytude: easy peasy eh? [02:50] Action: slackytude nods [02:50] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:50] make a file in /etc/udev/rules.d [02:50] like 10-myrules [02:50] like 10-myrules.rules [02:51] then you need something to identify the device [02:51] http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html [02:52] slackytude: thanks. [02:52] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [02:52] Im getting pretty good with them udev stuff [02:52] ha slackytude thats what I'm reading [02:52] TClayton_ (n=TClayton@nc-76-3-66-24.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [02:52] first one took some hours [02:53] a750mhzslinky, its quite good [02:53] man, dominoes pizza is really good at 1:45am when you have had a few beers [02:53] a750mhzslinky, I usually use it as reference [02:53] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:53] twolf: Dominoes isn't good otherwise? [02:53] twolf, whoa, pizza and beer at 1:45 am, huh? your living the dream [02:53] hehe [02:53] :) [02:54] I haven't had dominoes in a long time, but it is good now :-) [02:54] :) [02:54] I'm getting hungry now, thanks twolf. :P [02:54] :) [02:55] twolf: send some pizza through the interwebs? :P [02:55] when that becomes possible I will never leave home again! [02:55] haha [02:55] twolf: I don't think a single slacker would. :P [02:56] indeed [02:56] I would [02:56] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [02:56] y0 dive [02:56] crashey [02:56] hi [02:57] /reloaded a theme with a bad line and bang, gone [02:57] lets try again [02:57] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:58] heh [02:58] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [02:58] lots of crashes recently, anybody noticed that? [02:58] heh [03:00] wb dive [03:00] thanks, fixed it [03:01] don't try replace "@" with "%w@" lol nice infinite loop there [03:01] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.65.94) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:02] haha [03:02] Nick change: pvn1 -> pvn [03:04] TClayton (n=TClayton@unaffiliated/tclayton) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:05] l4m3rx (n=7350@195.24.90.254) joined ##slackware. [03:05] mornin [03:06] good morrow tewmten [03:06] ah yes [03:06] BLT sammich' for breakfast [03:06] life is good [03:07] morning tewmten [03:07] hey fire|bird [03:07] BLT sammich, twolf's havin pizza @ 01:45 [03:08] I just had a mousaka [03:08] still hungry... [03:09] I just had 2 pieces of toast. :/ [03:11] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: "adios amigos" [03:11] Action: fire|bird could hear a pin drop it's so quiet in here. Everyone must have got hungry. :D [03:11] i'm having some trouble with my raid+lvm configuration.. I've read the slackware raid and lvm faqs located, and gotten to the point where I'm able to initialize the raid-array and locating the volume groups during boot time.. the problem that has been pestering me for the last hour, is being able to mount with read-write privileges. when slackware is booting, I keep getting the error message from /etc/rc.d/rc.S (on line 186 and forward) stating the follow [03:12] om nom nom [03:12] baaaaaaacon [03:12] I really don't understand this part, because I am able to boot from the Slackware CD and mount my volumes manually (using mdadm first, followed by vgscan and vgchange, and then mount) without any hassle. [03:12] everything is better with bacon [03:12] v3gard: missed everything after "... follow" - line overflow? [03:13] I didn't get anything after follow either. [03:14] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [03:14] hmm.. I don't see that line myself.. what are the three last words before that sentence begins? [03:14] v3gard, are you using an initrd with LILO using the -R and -L switches? [03:15] i.e. mkinitrd -R -L some other krap [03:16] TwinReverb: no, I was following the guide at http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/README_RAID.TXT which stated that I should put all the modules under /etc/mkinitrd.conf and then just run mkinitrd -F [03:16] hmm [03:16] i think you need to add -L so that it understands LVM [03:16] v3gard: the -R is only for next reboot only [03:16] okey, so I'll use mkinitrd -F -R -L then? [03:17] TwinReverb: isn't -L for lba32? [03:17] i would think so, it won't boot LVM without -L and i know that one from experience [03:17] okey, I [03:17] nope, -L = LVM [03:17] 'll give it a try, and let you know how it turns out [03:17] man lilo: -L Generate 32-bit Logical Block Addresses instead of cylinder/head/sector addresses, allowing access to all partitions on disks with more than 1024 cylinders [03:18] which version of Lilo [03:18] ? [03:18] alisonken1noc, he means mkinitrd -L [03:18] ah - thought he was talking about lilo [03:18] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [03:18] no i said mkinitrd [03:19] ok - missed it, just saw the LILO in the line above :) [03:19] granted i don't like initrd's anyways but sometimes they're required [03:19] nobody like initrd's. [03:19] v3gard, what's your RAID and LVM setup like? [03:19] actually, I kinda like initrd's :) [03:20] so many neat things you can do during bootup [03:20] alisonken1noc, like what? [03:20] TwinReverb: http://pastebin.ca/1505473 [03:21] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [03:21] slava_dp: I created a mini-router that runs from ram in the initrd, only using the drive for config stuff (among other things) [03:21] later guys. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening}. Take care. [03:21] later, fire|bird [03:22] later slava_dp :) [03:22] shit, the partition i made is too big [03:22] can i alter it without messing anything up/ [03:22] v3gard, so the LVM is on drive #1, and the other two drives mirror it at the hardware level? [03:22] fire|bird (n=frame|bu@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware ("Here I go"). [03:22] alisonken1noc, that's nice. i guess that was a lot of work to make it run like that. [03:22] running mkinitrd -F -R -L didn't help much.. same problem still happens [03:23] slava_dp: not really - plus you can make an interesting boot installer as well [03:23] alisonken1noc: in slax the new drive gets mounted as sda1, slack drive as sdb, and the other drive as sdc1. I'm back in slack with the new drive mounted and working fine, but only with the two drives. Things just won't work with a third drive on the bus :( [03:23] good for imaging new machines (among other things) [03:23] i'm using 3 different drives, running both raid-5 and raid-1. /boot is on a raid-1 for obvious reasons, and the lvm is on raid-5 [03:23] v3gard, did you re-run lilo after remaking the initrd? did you use lilo -H option? [03:24] rather complex setup you have, is it absolutely required? [03:24] however, the error I'm talking about, occurs after the initrd is done loading [03:24] chopp: look at the boot options for specifying which drive get's to be sda/b/c (forgot which one it was) [03:25] chopp: still think it might be a bios setting issue on that one [03:25] TwinReverb: For redundancy, I prefer using raid-5 instead of jbod [03:25] alisonken1noc: you mean in lilo? I've tried all different combo's there [03:26] chopp: not the lilo options, but the kernel options - those would be passed from lilo as "append=......" in lilo.conf [03:26] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Connection timed out [03:26] TwinReverb: and yes, I reran lilo after remaking the initrd, but I didn't use the lilo -H option.. [03:26] it's just an idea, supposedly it's to let LILO continue if one of the RAID drives isn't "up" yet [03:26] i figured maybe it might help but i have absolutely no clue about RAID [03:27] okey [03:27] I'll give it a shot and see how it turns out [03:27] then no offense but if you can do things an easier way, try to do it that easier way [03:27] do you use LUKS? [03:27] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [03:28] nope [03:28] cool, three copies of your data to get info from [03:29] I might have said this before, but the LVM volumes are found during boot-time.. "/", which is on LVM, is even mounted - but not in read-write [03:29] that's why the error keeps popping up [03:30] the more complex a system is, the more difficult troubleshooting it can become [03:30] and mounting the LVM manually with the Slackware CD is no problem either [03:30] is this hardware RAID ? [03:30] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:30] no, I'm using mdadm [03:31] lol, I thought I couldn't use a projector and that it had gone to sleep but it was black because my wallpaper is black >< [03:31] I'll repost the first message in a pastebin, since a couple of you didn't receive the whole message: http://pastebin.ca/1505501 [03:31] v3gard, is there a way to use LVM for your RAID? i thought there was but i'm not sure [03:32] v3gard: what's your lilo.conf? [03:34] alisonken1noc: with append I've specified the slack drive with /dev/by-uuid/ and by /dev/by-id/ with no luck [03:34] chopp: that doesn't help your fstab much, unfortunately [03:35] might possibly try changing the volume name to something else other than the default alphabet soup [03:35] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host57-112-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:36] alisonken1noc: fstab was also modified for uuid too if thats what you mean [03:37] alisonken1noc: I pasted the relevant lines here: http://pastebin.ca/1505504 [03:38] nick4_ (n=dj4@adsl184-11.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:39] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: "*****p0000f*****" [03:39] Nick change: TClayton_ -> TClayton [03:40] [D]an (i=Dan@Luke.IPv6.1986.ro) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:40] [D]an (i=Dan@Luke.IPv6.1986.ro) joined ##slackware. [03:40] who was telling about the compose key the other day and posted a file with all the key combos? [03:42] v3gard: what about the "append=" line? [03:43] alisonken1noc: the append line only contains "vt.default_utf8=1" [03:43] would I need to add some extra parameters in the "append=" line? [03:45] v3gard: which version of slackwar? [03:45] slamd64 or -current? [03:45] alisonken1noc: 12.2 [03:45] ok [03:47] v3gard: no raid card? software raid? [03:48] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.22.216) joined ##slackware. [03:48] alisonken1noc: I don't have a RAID controller, so I'm using mdadm [03:50] nick4 (n=dj4@adsl109-155.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:53] axtroz (n=axtroz@77.78.10.32) joined ##slackware. [03:53] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:55] axtroz (n=axtroz@77.78.10.32) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:55] sounds like software + software + software to me [03:55] might be difficult to get it to work that way [03:56] wait ... you said drive #1 was RAID5 ? how is it the only one that is RAID5 and the others are RAID 1? [03:56] multiple lvm's ? [03:56] no he's got only 3 drives [03:57] and using LVMs across multiple disks isn't going to give you true RAID5 [03:57] er, what i'm trying to say is that any solution that uses the same drive more than once is not really redundant [03:57] true [03:58] are you saying you have 3 drives split mutually into four LVM "drives" with partitions on them, then RAID5 on that? that's horrible (not trying to be rude, just telling you the truth) [03:58] nonono [03:58] three drives (/dev/sda, /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc) with 3 different raid-arrays (/dev/md0, /dev/md1, /dev/md2). /dev/md2 is raid-1 which only contains /boot - and the lvm is stored on /dev/md0 which is raid-5 [03:59] A/quit [03:59] bernie_ (n=bernie@pool-98-117-255-31.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [03:59] B/fail [03:59] wait, so drive 2 for example is RAID 1? with what? [04:00] all the raid arrays are using all three disks [04:00] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:00] A minimum of three disks is required for a complete RAID 5 configuration. In some implementations a degraded RAID 5 disk set can be made (three disk set of which only two are online), while mdadm supports a fully-functional (non-degraded) RAID 5 setup with two disks - which function as a slow RAID-1, but can be expanded with further volumes. [04:01] so what you have is basically a slow RAID1 which begs the question: why bother? [04:01] (quote from wiki) [04:01] 1) you only need redundancy for data you cannot live without. the OS can reside on non-RAID because it can be regenerated from install media if necessary [04:02] and updated as needed :) [04:02] er, disregard the numbering, i don't think i have further thoughts [04:02] v3gard, is this machine a two channel IDE system with four maximum drives? and is one of these drives a CD/DVD drive? [04:02] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [04:03] in that case i do have another thought: 2) you can't expand your RAID5 on your current system so you do not need its capability to expand [04:04] much less your information is not encrypted so anyone could steal it (which is not part of RAID per se but an important feature nonetheless) [04:05] i am no RAID user, but my thoughts are this: why not make the smallest drive your / and then use the other two as an encrypted RAID1? [04:05] or raid10? [04:05] TwinReverb: What do you mean by two channel IDE system? That the motherboard supports IDE as well as SATA? [04:05] no [04:05] does your board have IDE? [04:05] yes, and I use it for my CDROM [04:05] does your board have SATA? [04:05] yes [04:06] 4 different slots [04:06] ah ok, this is making more sense now ... so you can technically benefit from RAID5 if you want (just not right now, technically) [04:06] you plan on buying another hard drive then, yes? [04:06] I have 2 other harddrives that I haven't installed yet. I wanted to learn how to expand raid and lvm volumes [04:07] ah [04:07] and do you have any important information to back up? [04:07] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [04:07] or is this just a test? [04:07] Hello [04:08] TwinReverb, after upgrading to the latest Xorg i no longer have opengl with my intel card. [04:08] mrselfpwn, ah [04:08] http://www.imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=656 [04:08] any suggestions ? [04:08] just black. if i use the 2.7.1 then i have opengl, but it stutters [04:09] it wont pick up my raid disk (md0) [04:09] mrselfpwn, "downgrade" back to slackware[64]-13.0-rc1 [04:09] it worked with 2.6.1 or xorg-server [04:09] jeev, need fs driver? [04:09] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:09] TwinReverb: a mixture of both. this is the first time I try RAID and LVM so in that case it is a test - but when the system is up and running, it will contain both important and personal stuff [04:10] i would say start with four drives [04:10] add the fifth as your experiment [04:10] nick4 (n=dj4@adsl29-118.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:10] using LVM to make five drives act like four is not wise in my opinion [04:10] slackboy, h ave it [04:10] much less using LVM to make 3 drives act like 4 [04:10] slackytude, have it [04:11] what fs is it. its just testing for ext2 and ext3 [04:11] but I'm not using LVM to make 3 drives act like 4 [04:12] did you ever get yours working correctly TwinReverb? [04:12] mrselfpwn, sure did, the pixman update patrick put out in -current (i.e. 13.0-rc1) fixed all problems [04:13] pixman you say? [04:13] which version? [04:13] rtfcl [04:13] axtroz (n=axtroz@77.78.10.32) joined ##slackware. [04:13] axtroz (n=axtroz@77.78.10.32) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:13] v3gard, how did you get RAID5 to work with 3 drives? i don't get the concept [04:14] i have the latest version of pixman is why i ask [04:14] it would basically be a RAID1 because one section won't be paritied [04:14] c_ (n=c@c-67-182-183-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:14] which version of the Intel driver are you using? [04:14] mrselfpwn, whatever comes on 13.0-rc1 [04:14] not the ones in /extra [04:15] slackytude, it's ext3 [04:15] TwinReverb: by using the guide located at http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/README_RAID.TXT [04:15] it's just not picking up md0 [04:15] Jul 23 23:51:01 slackvm kernel: EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. [04:15] that's when the slack kernel boots into the same thing [04:17] c_ (n=c@c-67-182-183-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [04:17] paissad-hp (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:18] the guide recommends building a degraded RAID5 ? [04:19] ah i see what it is [04:19] the guide is garbage because it recommends running RAID5 with fewer drives than it requires to make it work [04:19] you have a separate /boot partition v3gard ? [04:19] TwinReverb: yes [04:20] TwinReverb: the boot-partition is on raid-1, which lilo supports [04:20] TwinReverb, did you leave Tiling on in your xorg.conf and/or add any other settings? [04:21] nick4_ (n=dj4@adsl184-11.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:21] mrselfpwn, yes i left that in [04:21] v3gard, it says "separate" [04:22] i think that means "not a part of RAID5" or also not the one to be the RAID1 but i'm not sure [04:22] [D]an (i=Dan@Luke.IPv6.1986.ro) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:22] [D]an (i=Dan@Luke.IPv6.1986.ro) joined ##slackware. [04:22] even if it's on the "degraded" one, it's going to be striped apparently, so i think you need a separate /boot independent of all other RAID devices [04:23] so i guess then you put /boot on the largest drive, install 3 other drives, put a RAID partition of equal size on all of them, then RAID5 them [04:23] then you "learn" by adding the fifth drive as an equal sized partition and adding it to the RAID5 pool [04:24] but i've never even used RAID [04:24] great. I get a VM with slackware and what do I get? 6gig hd, 128 ram [04:24] o.O slackytude ? [04:25] it just runs a few services so it doesnt need more, but c'mon! [04:25] slackytude: get a linode? [04:25] :) [04:25] linode? [04:25] www.linode.com [04:25] vps service [04:25] you can install any distro you like [04:25] cant do that, its for internal stuff [04:25] ah [04:26] i would get a linode if they'd have DC's in europe [04:26] like some xmlrpc [04:26] tewmten, have you ever used mdadm ? [04:27] bird (n=lee@pool-71-165-86-219.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:27] Is it ok to delete the stuff in /tmp/SBo ? [04:27] TwinReverb: no [04:27] oh ok [04:27] TwinReverb: thats for software raid, correct? [04:27] bird, yeah, but dont you want to keep the .tgz ? [04:27] he wasn't talking to you bird [04:27] TwinReverb: But the problem isn't getting the raid/lvm-setup to work, since it does indeed work. I am able to mount the lvm-partitions manaually using the slackware CD and also able to both create and delete files, but I get an error when I boot the installed Slackware system which says that the partitions can't be mounted read-write [04:28] you can delete the stuff in /tmp/SBo bird. [04:28] oh ok [04:28] comp__ (n=comp_@210.150.186.60) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [04:28] yeah I still have the .tgz backed up, it's just that file is taking up 1.5 gb and its filled with nothing but source [04:28] v3gard, well i'm clueless so i'm going to stop talking now [04:29] thanks mrselfpwn [04:29] no prob [04:29] if you have 13.0-rc1 .txz is probably better if you are space-conscious [04:30] bird (n=lee@pool-71-165-86-219.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:31] TwinReverb: okey. thanks for your input anyways [04:31] thats why /tmp is a ramdisk [04:31] for me [04:32] how big? [04:32] I usually leave it around 300Mb or so [04:32] ah [04:33] which means I need to resize it or rebind /tmp for some bigger stuff [04:33] but its fine for most stuff [04:33] yes, though i bet it's much faster [04:33] aye [04:33] I also put the browser cache there, helps as well [04:33] yes [04:34] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [04:34] gotta luv linux [04:34] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.87.190) joined ##slackware. [04:34] yep [04:34] slackytude, how do you make ramdisks [04:34] ? [04:34] add an entry to fstab or just mount them [04:35] nick4_ (n=dj4@adsl71-162.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:35] Action: slackytude googles for some tutorials [04:35] v3gard, for the heck of it, try it with a separate non-raid non-lvm /boot and see if it works [04:36] hmm [04:36] slackytude, any idea to check to see what 9,0 is ? [04:36] as it says, it's trying to mount 9,0 [04:36] wtf is that [04:36] device 9,0 = [04:36] device 9,0 ? [04:36] yea [04:37] slava_dp, mount -t tmpfs -o size=512m none /tmp [04:37] or as fstab entry: [04:37] tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0 [04:37] there are also other ramdisk filesystems but I think tmpfs is the best [04:38] cant seem to find a good howto [04:38] tmpfs uses swap space [04:38] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.23.31) joined ##slackware. [04:38] ramfs uses ram [04:38] my tmpfs mounts automatically in /dev/shm [04:39] you don't have to specify the size in fstab for the ramfs? [04:39] no, it uses ram, but whil write to swap if memory is low [04:40] you dont need to set a size, a default is taken [04:40] not sure what the default is. I think 10% of ram [04:40] ah [04:40] do any of you guys know how to stop a kernel panic or whatever it is from immediately rebooting [04:40] it would be neat if you could make it expand as needed [04:40] i want to see the error [04:40] Zordrak_ (n=jaz@www.jennic.com) joined ##slackware. [04:40] mrselfpwn, you can resize on the fly [04:40] Zordrak_ (n=jaz@www.jennic.com) left irc: Client Quit [04:41] mrselfpwn, and there are other ramdisks that grow in size [04:41] dont want that tho [04:41] ah [04:41] imagine a ramdisk for /tmo that just grows larger and larger [04:41] that's true [04:41] jeev, shift + pageup isnt enough? [04:42] kvm over ip [04:42] oh.. [04:42] desn't have a scrollback though ;( [04:42] there is a setting you can add to the kernel command line to stop it jeev [04:44] yea but what hmm [04:44] im trying to search [04:44] let me see if i can find it [04:44] jeev, major 9 is metadisk (Raid) devices minor 0, thats means /dev/md0 [04:44] ahh [04:44] thanks slacky [04:44] where di dyou read that [04:44] funny enough major 9 is also for scsi tape devices [04:45] http://www.lanana.org/docs/device-list/devices.txt [04:45] thanks [04:45] no sweat [04:45] hmm [04:46] nick4 (n=dj4@adsl29-118.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:47] crap man [04:47] im tired already [04:47] zsejk (n=zsejk@213.208.229.47) joined ##slackware. [04:47] Im too [04:47] ands its 11:00 am [04:47] weekend soon! [04:47] I wont move a muscle this weekend [04:48] except for breathing [04:48] :) [04:48] y0 Camarade_Tux [04:48] hey jeev [04:48] yoyo slackytude [04:48] jeev, the kernel command line is panic=(amount of seconds before reboot) [04:48] thanks but i dont think it's a panic [04:49] yes, because by default this is set to panic=0 which means don't reboot at all. [04:49] jeev, try hitting the "pause" key as soon as the first words flash on the screen [04:49] but [04:49] ecryptfs, it FLIES [04:49] i mean by the time the KVM can do anything [04:49] it's gone [04:50] 1 sec [04:50] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "leaving" [04:50] yea it's gone instantly [04:51] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.21.202) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:51] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [04:51] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.87.190) left irc: "Leaving." [04:51] TwinReverb: I haven't got the time to try what you are suggesting right now because I have to get to work in 15 minutes. I'll give it a try when I get the time though.. thanks again for all your help [04:52] jeev, you can use crashkernel option [04:52] possibly. [04:53] jeev, shoot a picture of it :-) [04:53] I've also added a post to LQ regarding my problem at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-12.2-raid-5-lvm-read-write-issues-during-boot-742420/ in case any of you other guys would like to help me with my problem [04:53] jeev, you got to hold down the shift key before hitting pause, you gotta keep trying [04:54] thanks a bunch in advance, but I have to get going now [04:54] see you later :) [04:54] this is strange....search recursion in google and see did u mean? [04:56] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.164.197.1) joined ##slackware. [04:56] crap[ [04:57] kexec options [04:57] jeev, combined with kdump enables the previous kernel's memory to be dumped to a safe place for analysis at a later time. [04:58] paissad-hp (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [04:58] i dont know, i dont see it wrking [04:58] working [04:58] i think i know why [05:05] alisonken1noc: if you're still around check out paragraph 4 :P http://www.downloadpipe.com/forums/linux/A8N-SLi-Premium-Maxtor-6V300F0-strange-behaviour-ftopict14262.html [05:06] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-424150.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:06] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.67.57) joined ##slackware. [05:08] chopp: interesting [05:09] btw - I'm usually here sunday night thru friday morning. whether at my desk depends on if I have to slip into one of the cages or am at our LAX noc for something [05:09] yeah some weird behavior for sure [05:11] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.83.4) joined ##slackware. [05:12] apoca (n=apoca@haydn.n2.nognu.de) joined ##slackware. [05:12] hi [05:13] Camarade_Tux, anything cool happening? [05:13] im about to give up [05:13] wsp4th (n=wsp4th@c-75-64-160-220.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:13] join the club jeev [05:13] is there any way to tell the slackware-install-dvd to output everything on the serial console? [05:14] apoca, might try to rewrite /etc/inittab and send a signal to init to reread it. it should spawn a getty on serial. [05:14] apoca, during install you mean? I think it does that on a different term [05:15] and how can I access the different term? I only have access to the box via serial [05:16] oh [05:16] try chvt [05:16] I see the boot: prompt and after that everything spits out on vga [05:17] you see, there's no way for me to see, what happens during boot, and there's no way for me to enter any commands :) [05:17] so it should be a boot option to enable that. i doubt one exists. [05:18] alisonken1noc: you reside at the data center for that period? [05:18] during working hours - 10pm-6am until sunday, then midnight-8 [05:19] ahh gotcha [05:20] hooray! you only have to submit the console= parameter to the kernel on the boot: prompt [05:20] I didn't think it would be that easy [05:20] Hermann (n=Hermannn@81.170.156.174) joined ##slackware. [05:21] i am building a script harding down all my slackware servers. i at a point where im using sed to make changes to sshd_config. i am changing the default port from 22 to 222. sed 's/.*\(Port\).*/\1 222/' -i /etc/ssh/sshd_config ... my issue is it also edits the line GatewayPorts is there an way i can add an exclude? that if its Ports but doesnt include Gateway then modify? [05:22] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [05:23] isnt that a job for puppy or cfengine [05:24] wsp4th: dont mod the script, creplace it [05:24] *conf [05:25] apoca: you can also add it to lilo as 'append="console ..."' option [05:26] Hello. What does happened with xorg + xinerama? it doesn't work anymoure in current [05:28] it's being depreciated by XRandR [05:28] alisonken1noc: there is no lilo on the install-dvd ;-) [05:28] apoca: good point :) [05:28] hohoho. so that's what unix has to put up against group policy. cfengine. i've always wondered how people manage a network of unices. [05:28] but.. it's -current so, /shrug [05:29] in that case, you have to modify the dvd build setup to have it included [05:29] 13.0-rc1 is actually pretty stable [05:29] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving." [05:30] alisonken1noc: well, like I said, I just had to append the console= parameter [05:30] I can live with that, it would be too hard to modify the dvd setup [05:30] zordrak: elaberate plz never heard of creplace [05:31] >.< [05:31] it was a typo [05:31] wsp4th, *replace* the config file, don't edit it. [05:32] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl9-78-221.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:33] i cant just do that... several of the system have a couple of things customized that dont need to change im only wanting to change the single option [05:34] hence the sed single line replace [05:34] zenwee (i=4bc55459@gateway/web/freenode/x-11690c4074410c5c) joined ##slackware. [05:35] slava_dp, puppet, cfengine and the likes arent bad. and of course there is the old and honoured do-it-by-bash style managment [05:35] anybody bought a laptop at around $ 500 recently and wouldn't mind sharing their thoughts about its compatibility with slackware in general? or in regards to linux drivers working for graphics and network card [05:35] i got slackware running on my Netbook [05:35] lee555J5 (n=lee@71.91.2.18) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:35] runs like a dream [05:35] zenwee, check linux laptops [05:36] i dunno i think netbooks are too small for me [05:36] http://www.linux-laptop.net/ tuxmobil.org [05:36] etc [05:36] zenwee, anything with ati in it's name sucks. last i heard, broadcom chipsets sucked too. everything else should work ;) [05:37] depends [05:37] if the ati stuff is old enough it should work [05:37] i was thinking of sticking to an atheros chipset [05:37] like the radeon mobility stuff [05:37] Action: slackytude got ati radeon mobility chipset and works like a charm [05:37] slackytude, if the ati is old enough, it should work, but veeery slooowly..... [05:37] not really [05:38] anyway back to the sed question is there a way to do an exlude as part of the s//? [05:38] got nice compiz effects and stuff [05:38] zenwee, I got an hp mini 2133 and on most distributions vga console is not even stable....with slackware I have not had a problem [05:38] wsp4th, probably #bash [05:38] im really tempted to get a netbook , i dont think ill be very comftrable on a 10inch or 9inch screen [05:38] wsp4th, you should really check cfengine and puppet [05:38] wsp4th, probably #sed [05:38] or even man sed ^-^ [05:38] wow there actually is a sed channel [05:39] i wonder if i can go to best buy and run a live cd to test the hardware [05:39] didnt figure there would be one [05:39] zenwee, via C7 processor is gutless [05:39] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-248-226.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:39] zenwee: depends on the salesman - some companies don't like you running your own cd on their display that MS took great pains to setup :) [05:40] a750mhzslinky: what am i going to do with a 9inchscreen lol it wont be too comfy [05:40] hmm [05:40] turn it into a webcam... that's about it [05:40] taking notes ^-^ [05:41] i have a MBP for my main work, but i also need a decent nix dedicated laptop [05:41] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl9-79-61.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Nick collision from services. [05:41] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [05:41] not sure each site i visit has different compatibility issues [05:41] so im like leme ask here maybe someone bought something recently [05:42] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@77.252.38.130) joined ##slackware. [05:43] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [05:43] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." 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[05:47] boring [05:47] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [05:47] zenwee, I have seen lots of netbooks....hp has the only usable keyboard...9 inch screen is small but I don't have a problem with it....text is so small you don't have to worry about anyone reading over your shoulders =)...far as compatability hardware was a bust on hp [05:48] im checking out some of the reviews on the linuxon laptops site, acer 12inch seems good hardware wise [05:48] not sure why it has a vga port though [05:48] but regarding netbooks, i dunno 9inch is too small [05:48] is there no native support for 64bit on the official slackware-dvd? [05:49] apoca, no. will be in 13.0. [05:49] too bad :( [05:49] 5gig ram wasted ;-) [05:49] apoca, slackware64-13.0-rc1 is out [05:49] apoca, you can try slackware64-current, it's rc-1 now. [05:50] i'm using it right now, it works fine [05:50] StevenR_ (n=foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:50] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-26.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:51] StevenR (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:52] Mellar_ (n=brebbesv@ti400720a080-0150.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [05:56] using rc is no option for me, cause the system really, really important [05:56] wait a few days then [05:57] zenwee (i=4bc55459@gateway/web/freenode/x-11690c4074410c5c) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [05:57] a fey days like till december or a few days till the end of the month? [05:57] the latter [05:57] nobody knows how long. [05:57] as its rc [05:57] but before december is a safe bet [05:58] slackytude: doing some work, and transcoding videos now :) [05:58] Camarade_Tux, making holograms? [05:58] and need to find what's eating my memory! [05:58] rc1 was named when? july 1st, to reming you :-) [05:58] like 400MB! [05:58] slackytude: hehe :P [05:58] Camarade_Tux, make a nifty hologram for me! [05:59] slava_dp, you mean june? [05:59] slackytude: nix_chix0r naked? :) [05:59] Camarade_Tux, O_o [05:59] :D [05:59] thats relevant to my interests [05:59] Wed Jul 1 16:04:35 CDT 2009 Hi folks -- the TODO isn't entirely empty here, but it's pretty much down to minor nits, and so we're going to call this release candidate #1 [06:00] slava_dp, true [06:00] minor nits include new xorg and new kernel already ;) [06:00] ok, it seems X and friends didn't enjoy when I removed the secondary display [06:00] and gvim using 136MB virt... [06:00] Guest8626 (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:00] thats a lot of text [06:00] slackytude: I'll ship it today, you should get it on monday :D [06:01] slackytude: yeah: about 30 lines... [06:01] hooray for boobies! [06:01] 33 to be precise... [06:01] Guest8626 (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:01] must be pretty big lines [06:01] Action: slackytude fetches some grub [06:01] slackytude: yeah, 40 columns on average :P [06:01] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl6-201-146.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:01] but gvim wasn't eating everything [06:01] zsejk (n=zsejk@213.208.229.47) left irc: "Leaving" [06:01] bah, there's X which uses nearly 400MB virt, but that's virt [06:05] ok, I'm using 500MB of ram without taking buffers or cache into account and have 6 xterms with zsh, one with ssh and one with top [06:05] where is my memory? [06:05] Kaapa__ (n=Somethin@bl6-201-146.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:05] more than 400MB with xterm+zsh+ssh and nothing more [06:05] Camarade_Tux: are you sure youre reading it right? [06:05] Camarade_Tux: lost in the wind? [06:06] Camarade_Tux: get htop btw [06:06] zsejk (n=zsejk@213.208.229.47) joined ##slackware. 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[06:10] serves me right for not taking a language class in school :) [06:10] hello [06:10] alisonken1noc: hehe :P [06:10] but then again, most things are referred to in the feminine anyways [06:13] wsp4th (n=wsp4th@c-75-64-160-220.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:14] nice, the kernel went wacky :) [06:14] hello ejal [06:14] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC025C8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:15] guess it's time for a reboot [06:15] a q if i may- how can i see a flashdrive's properties (its fs..) ? [06:15] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: "adios amigos" [06:15] with mount? [06:17] ejal : such as? [06:17] \o/ no more touchpad! \o/ [06:17] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:18] ejal : you just want to know the type of filesystem on that drive? [06:18] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host119-233-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:18] as slackytude said: mount /dev/your_drive [06:18] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.203.36.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:21] 'adding extended input device "Video Bus" (TYPE: KEYBOARD)' ^^ [06:21] Kaapa__ (n=Somethin@bl6-201-146.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Success [06:22] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC025C8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:24] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.83.4) left irc: "Leaving." [06:25] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-82-9-16-6.manc.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:25] Camarade_Tux, seen todays sinfest? [06:25] slackytude: you know, I can't move my cursor in X right now ;) [06:25] ananke: yes...if i understand the mount man, the fs shlould be given by me...the drive can be mounted via xfce..has an icon on the desktop and functions well...but i cant see its fs anywhere... [06:26] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [06:26] Camarade_Tux, thats whats links is for [06:26] ejal, enter mount on the prompt [06:26] without options [06:26] if its already mounted [06:27] bah, it wants gpm [06:28] well, get the image with wget then [06:28] http://www.sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2009-07-24.gif [06:28] or lynx or something [06:28] anyone knows what kind of xorg driver is should use for a via s3 unichrome pro? [06:28] even better, write a small python script [06:29] s/is/i/ [06:29] slava_dp: probably vesa... [06:29] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [06:29] slackytude: die :) [06:29] vesa ain't cool [06:31] installed gpm but no rc.gpm ='( [06:31] rc.gpm.new ? [06:32] rc.gpm-sample [06:32] what, xorg now requires gpm? no way [06:32] nope and nope :o [06:32] slava_dp: no, I'm not in X ;) [06:32] usually i just mv rc.gpm-sample rc.gpm && chmod -x rc.gpm [06:32] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:33] TwinReverb: +x then, no? ;) [06:33] why patrick does the rc.gpm-sample and rc.font.new is beyond me when he could just use the rc.gpm / rc.font and chmod -x [06:33] -x fail :) [06:33] yes [06:33] I think the install script does that if you choose console mouse and screen font at install [06:34] ok, ran mouseconfig :) [06:36] "O0o.oops(): [server_tools.c(76)]: Could not open ${garbled_random_chars} [06:36] what kind of system is that? [06:36] is there something that does work? [06:37] slackytude: hehe :P [06:37] Camarade_Tux: check if psmouse actually reacts when modprobing. Mine sometimes doesn't [06:37] slackytude: thank you :) its vfat.. [06:37] ^-^ [06:37] nick4_ (n=dj4@adsl71-162.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:38] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:39] pprkut: do you know the corresponding CONFIG_ name in the kernel configuration? I may have that disabled actually [06:39] Camarade_Tux: should be CONFIG_MOUSE_PS2 [06:40] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-3-236-186.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:40] pprkut: have it, as =y [06:40] ah, well no reloading then [06:41] you have a synaptics touchpad? [06:41] better off with it as module for different options :| [06:41] pprkut: yes, synaptics (afaict) [06:41] Camarade_Tux, I have never got synaptics to work with gpm [06:41] not properly anyway [06:41] Camarade_Tux: does "dmesg | grep Syn" give you any output? [06:42] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.164.197.1) left ##slackware. [06:43] pprkut: nothing related to synaptics [06:43] that slackytude's fault, trying to make me watch webcomics from console :P [06:43] -_- [06:43] Camarade_Tux: ok, that probably means you have the same issue I have ;) [06:43] slackytude: no hologram of nix_chix0r for you! [06:44] awww [06:44] Action: slackytude sad [06:44] pprkut: what is it? and do you have problems with input in X too (when running -current)? [06:45] well, reboot, bbiab [06:45] Camarade_Tux: to have synaptics working you should see something like this in dmesg: http://pastebin.ca/1505635 [06:46] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [06:47] working now [06:48] and dmesg shows synaptics things [06:48] then it is the same issue [06:49] I have actually no idea what's causing it. 2.6.29.x used to report "Unable to query Synaptics hardware" and load the default mouse module [06:49] 2.6.30 just loads nothing [06:50] I'm on 2.6.30 too... [06:51] On 2.6.29 it could be "fixed" by reloading the psmouse module. I use to reboot on 2.6.30, since reloading doesn't do anything :/ [06:52] I actually thought it might be a hardware issue, but seeing you having the same problem it gets less likely [06:53] pprkut: what is your computer? [06:53] HP 8530w [06:53] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [06:54] asus F3S or something like that [06:57] looks like this: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13093 [06:57] nice, nvidia crashed my computer :) [06:57] hah, welcome to the club :) [06:58] it dies with colourful corruption on the screen :) [06:58] so one of the crash I had with xpaint on yesterday was actually nvidia's fault : ) [07:00] and different firmware, id and caps for my touchpad [07:00] something like this?: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=36646&d=1240856773 [07:03] pprkut: nice, but no [07:03] here it completely crashes the system :) [07:04] ah well, almost ;) [07:04] pprkut: is that you on the kernel bugtracker? [07:07] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:08] not yet [07:09] now :) [07:10] Gutzmek (n=here@ip174-70-131-136.ks.ks.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:10] pprkut: ok, refreshing the page then ;p [07:12] pprkut: we'd need a way to reliably reproduce it [07:13] true, but no idea how that should work [07:13] bah, my kernel git repo isn't shallow enough, it only goes back to march [07:13] elderK (n=elderk@222-152-15-122.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [07:13] pprkut: no idea either =/ [07:13] wnb (n=wnb@78-24-229-212-gprs.vntc.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:14] elderK (n=elderk@222-152-15-122.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left ##slackware ("Leaving..."). [07:15] Camarade_Tux: we should probably try to get some debug output first, when it's not working [07:15] pprkut: using any out-of-tree driver? nvidia.ko and stk11xx.ko here [07:16] nvidia and vbox [07:16] wnb (n=wnb@78-24-229-212-gprs.vntc.ru) left ##slackware. [07:17] vbox too here [07:17] and nvidia [07:17] vbox is loaded far too late in the boot process however, nvidia I'm not sure [07:17] hmm, nvidia too [07:23] I think it's a problem in the detection / initialization code of psmouse itself [07:24] maybe it's not waiting long enough somewhere or some such [07:24] I'm cloning the kernel tree with more history, trying to see if there is any changes to that [07:25] pprkut: yeah, probably [07:25] pprkut: stale modprode.d files? [07:26] or maybe mv /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.old [07:27] hmmm, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=4d368456808c977b8e9782dbe9542cf8ddedbab8 ? [07:27] it's no a module here and still fails, plus it only fails from time to time [07:28] only fails from time to time and not connected to resume at all here [07:29] XGizzmo_: yes, but that would not explain why it would work 95% of the time [07:30] pprkut: actually I'm thinking that resetting the touchpad before trying to detect it might be problematic in itself but I need to check the patch [07:30] unless they got loaded is a different order from time to time. [07:30] pprkut: check it: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=4d368456808c977b8e9782dbe9542cf8ddedbab8;hp=139ebe8dc80dd74cb2ac9f5603d18fbf5cff049f [07:30] s/is/in/ [07:31] used to try thrice [07:31] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [07:32] pprkut, what touchpad is this? [07:32] synaptics [07:32] gotta love it 8-P [07:33] we're real mean, we don't use mice, well except for browsing porn -_- [07:33] XGizzmo_: both psmouse files in modprobe.d have the same content, only comments [07:33] :D [07:33] only comments.. yay [07:34] Action: TwinReverb doesn't browse for pr0n [07:34] you get it from bittorrent? [07:34] Action: TwinReverb stabs Camarade_Tux with ##slackofftopic [07:34] Action: TwinReverb stabs tewmten with ##slackofftopic [07:34] 8-P [07:34] TwinReverb: dhsjlhfslhdfskdl, I died ='( [07:35] Camarade_Tux: one more, I have a trackpoint too, and it too is not working when my touchpad isn't [07:35] Action: Camarade_Tux doesn't even use a mouse in games, he aims with hjkl and moves with qsdf (azerty keyboard) [07:35] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [07:35] pprkut: interesting (and no trackpoint here) [07:35] ooh cool an azerty keyboard [07:35] pprkut: do you know if it sometimes don't work while the touchpad works? [07:36] TwinReverb: mentionned that because of qsdf vs. asdf ;) [07:36] Action: TwinReverb is sometimes tempted to go dvorak on his keyboard [07:36] Camarade_Tux: I don't usually use the trackpoint, so no [07:37] if we sometimes play devil's advocate, who does the devil play advocate of? >8-) [07:38] bah, I suck at robots today ='( [07:38] i once went dvorak [07:38] then i got drunk [07:38] and fucked up my root account [07:38] :D [07:38] what a glorious day it was [07:39] =) [07:39] rm -Rf / [07:39] (DO NOT DO THAT BY THE WAY) [07:41] what do you guys think of using slamd64 instead of the slackware13-rc1 for 64bit-support? [07:42] pprkut: I think I found the answer: bad karma, I didn't manage to score well in robots after more than ten minutes, it *must* be bad karma! [07:42] apoca: go for slackware64 [07:42] Guilherme__ (n=Guilherm@189.63.215.52) joined ##slackware. [07:42] (is slamd64 even still maintained?) [07:43] Camarade_Tux: haha, maybe ;) [07:43] Action: Camarade_Tux subscribes to the church of the subgenius [07:44] Camarade_Tux: 12.2-64 was released in feb 2009 [07:47] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [07:48] DOMINATING! 7233 in robots an still alive! [07:48] apoca: but I'm under the impression it's not maintained anymore [07:48] slamd64 is maintained... [07:48] 7692! [07:48] why wouldnt it be? [07:49] straterra: I haven't seen any update to -current in months [07:49] well, I'm going 32bit now, although half of the ram is wasted then :D [07:49] its maintained [07:49] apoca, you could run the 64 bit version of slackware [07:50] I don't want to use an rc, even if it's said to be stable [07:50] then use 32 bit and not get the full potential of your machine [07:51] that's the only possible way now ;-) [07:51] or you could wait [07:51] next version is out very soon [07:51] apoca: or use an rc for a few weeks and then switch to 13 [07:51] and there are going to be little changes between the rc and next release [07:52] I think I'll wait for 13 and stay with 12 now [07:52] but thanks for the hints :) [07:55] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [07:55] shpendk_away (i=shpendk@82.114.69.171) joined ##slackware. [07:55] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [07:55] shpendk_away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [07:56] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [07:56] shpendk (i=shpendk@82.114.69.171) joined ##slackware. [07:57] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:59] Guilherme_ (n=Guilherm@189.63.215.52) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:59] when's 13 due out then? as in: what is "very soon"? :) [07:59] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [07:59] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.43.111) joined ##slackware. [08:00] zsejk: we're not that good at mind reading and/or telling the future.. but I've heard some guesses of "before Christmas" [08:00] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:01] zsejk: what I can say is that I'm running -current and it's working perfectly fine for my needs [08:01] hahaha... wasn't expecting a day and month, so thanks :) quesses before christmas is good enough for me :) [08:01] quasar: which christmas? the orthodox one the the non-orthodox one [08:01] Camarade_Tux: if you're asking me imma say "pick one" .. but I'd also give it the year of 2025.. I'm fairly certain it'll be released by then [08:01] alright... was contemplating giving that 64bit one a try, should also be fine then [08:02] zsejk: I'm running 64 :) [08:02] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [08:02] nice :) any probs? [08:02] caused by the software? no.. caused by fat fingers and changing the value of 0? yes. [08:04] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:04] zsejk, 13.0-rc1 64bit is nice [08:05] cool :) will try then! fat fingers... get one of them oldie kb's! [08:06] got one of the old keyboards they used to put on IBM XTs right now.. simply for the nostalgic clicking sound when you push a key [08:07] hehehe... nice :) I've been thinking about getting one, but I'm too cheap [08:08] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [08:08] quasar: still have one at home ;) [08:08] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:08] i could generate an .iso of slackware64-13.0-rc1 without source code for you ( zsejk ) in like 1 minute [08:09] (because i don't mirror source/) [08:09] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [08:09] ok, 2000 commits in the kernel history bring you back to 2005 [08:09] wow kernel developers must be VERY committed [08:09] or must've been committed (to an asylum) [08:10] thanks twinreverb! I think I *should* be fine.... get one of them iso's from slackware.no... [08:10] I expected something like 2007 actually [08:10] get = got [08:10] morning all [08:10] morning gtl [08:11] zsejk, be sure to add any user you want to be able to use wicd to the netdev group, if you want them to be able to power the machine down add them to the power group, etc [08:11] zsejk, and run alsaconf as root before bothering with sound [08:11] or maybe that when git-cloning with --depth, a branch merge is considered a single revision, sounds more likely [08:11] Camarade_Tux: I finally gave in and gave my last one to the local museum 6-7 years ago [08:11] quasar: lol :p [08:12] alright ... copy/pasted that :) thanks! [08:12] but I'll never get rid of my 386! [08:12] quasar, man up and heave it into the garbage dump [08:12] or run win 3.11 on it lol [08:13] Action: gtl is afraid of quasar... [08:13] Action: TwinReverb once ran win 3.11 on a 386 in college in 1999 because he was bored [08:13] hehe! [08:13] Camarade_Tux, I managed to snarf two IBM keyboards when the greenscreen terminals were retired - they will pry them from my cold dead hands. [08:13] Action: gtl is more afraid of TwinReverb [08:13] my dad thrashed a perfectly working model M [08:19] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [08:20] Action: slava_dp just had a power outage. the laptop survived but the wifi ap didn't :) [08:20] zsejk (n=zsejk@213.208.229.47) left irc: "Leaving" [08:23] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [08:24] today i saw what happens when computer meets F-16 exhaust [08:24] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [08:24] someone left a door closed with a running aircraft in the building [08:24] nheco (n=nheco_nh@201-66-187-99.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:24] err, WHAT? :o [08:24] melted the CRT monitor, keyboard, and computer [08:25] monday i will have to file a report [08:26] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:26] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [08:27] dangit i need more people in ##slackofftopic [08:27] gmails spell checker sucks. it doesn't catch everything at ALL. [08:28] nothing catches everything [08:28] well , this misses a lot [08:29] omg you are off topic!! to ##slackofftopic with you!! 8-) [08:29] unacceptable [08:29] you should be your own spellchecker ;) [08:29] yeah yeah =) [08:29] cp ##slackware/* ##slackofftopic [08:29] firefox's own spell checker is better [08:29] Camarade_Tux, i wish [08:29] like burning up a PC with an aircraft is ##slackware related. :P [08:29] i know i was trying to stir the pot 8-) [08:29] bitch [08:29] it is if it was running slackware :D [08:29] +) [08:29] that is a PC that Slackware definitely will NOT run on 8-) [08:30] heh [08:30] must've been Vista that caused that overheat ... >8-) [08:30] Action: dtanner bitch slaps TwinReverb for the hell of it [08:30] it had Vista on it, so i rest my case [08:30] good point! [08:30] Action: TwinReverb stabs dtanner with a burnt CD-ROM [08:30] that was too brutal man [08:30] 8-( [08:30] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [08:30] i already have a bad sunburn [08:31] Action: TwinReverb stabs dtanner with sun tan lotion [08:31] Action: TwinReverb the non-cancer-causing kind [08:31] been riding my bike a lot lately and the temps here are inhumane [08:31] i need to put on some sun block but it gets so messy and i don't want to be all slimy on my hands and arms while riding a bike [08:31] inhumane is dipping into the left wheel well to have 200F ECU exhaust blowing on you while you put the ground handling pins in [08:31] a girl at the cigar shop yesterday told about some spray on sun block that is not messy [08:31] oh wait, i'm going to go talk in ##slackofftopic about it so you can't see me one-up you :D :P [08:32] =0 [08:32] HAHAHA [08:33] tux_ (n=tux@spr69-1-82-234-239-167.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:33] if only you knew what i was saying about you in that other channel 8-D [08:34] Action: TwinReverb goes and cries in the corner [08:34] nobody in #slackofftopic! [08:34] it's ## [08:35] bah whoever came up withthe stupid ass ## needs a bitch slap too [08:35] i know the "reasons".. just a little too anal for me [08:35] whatever they are, they're probably off-topic :D:D:D ROFLCOPTER [08:36] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@76.67.113.108) joined ##slackware. [08:37] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-22-10.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:38] tux_ (n=tux@spr69-1-82-234-239-167.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "leaving" [08:39] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[09:13] sup yo [09:15] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:15] lib (n=hex@c-24-61-204-238.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:15] lib (n=hex@c-24-61-204-238.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:17] wtf [09:17] now i have to burn each release of our software to DVD [09:17] so we can hand it over to Escrow Europe [09:20] root (n=root@24-183-37-109.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [09:20] Nick change: root -> Guest5264 [09:21] Meijito (i=Meijito@unaffiliated/meijito) joined ##slackware. [09:21] Hey [09:22] Maybe here are some people who have WinFast PVR? 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[09:26] hi [09:27] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:27] straterra, can you give me some advice? I wanna install Slack now and how I know I need make some configs for kernel or something. [09:27] Meijito, a full install of slackware should be fin [09:27] e [09:27] how to see the libs a binary needs again? [09:27] dynamic libs [09:28] ah ldd [09:28] missyjane, really? When... I hope so that it will be enough. [09:28] Meijito: Well..good luck. It was a pain in the ass to get working, regardless of distro [09:29] Meijito, depends on version and hopefully you wont be like the other guy who only had like a 1gb hard drive lol [09:29] I don't even remember what kernel I ended up using..but it was a very specific kernel because the drivers are out of tree [09:29] Of course, this was several kernel releases ago [09:29] missyjane, space I have enough (~150gb for Linux), but CD - NO. [09:29] It's possible install Slack from Flash? [09:29] Yeah [09:29] I have CD1 to boot. [09:30] Or PXE [09:30] yeah use a dvd [09:30] No, no. I have only one CD and Flash. [09:30] and 150gb is perfect, i wish i gave more space to linux than to windows, ahem, i blame my gamer inside me [09:30] So, I wanna 2,3 CD put in Flash. [09:30] how big is flash? [09:30] Why? You can just swap out the disks.. [09:30] The installer will ask you to change cd's [09:30] 8GB [09:30] straterra, not if he gets the dvd version [09:30] :) [09:31] raw__ (n=ilove@p54872696.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:31] Nick change: raw__ -> raw [09:31] i got the dvd for 12.1 and it never ask for me to swap cd [09:31] Assuming he has a DVD burner and a blank DVD [09:31] and a DVD-ROM drive [09:31] Of course the DVD isn't going to ask you to change disks..everything is on the DVD [09:31] :) [09:31] so the dvd version on flash = works [09:33] I hope I don't need DVD-ROM? [09:33] For the DVD version you do [09:33] ya but your usb should be big enough [09:33] Otherwise, just swap out the disks from your optical drive when the installer asks you [09:34] stig (n=stig@cpc1-tref2-0-0-cust780.cdif.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [09:34] stig (n=stig@cpc1-tref2-0-0-cust780.cdif.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Client Quit [09:34] demoncyber_ (n=marco@200.18.3.253) joined ##slackware. [09:38] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-208-63.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [09:39] tooly (n=tooly@e178155204.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:43] stig (n=stig@cpc1-tref2-0-0-cust780.cdif.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [09:45] s [09:45] t [09:45] f [09:45] u [09:45] d [09:45] stig FAIL [09:46] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [09:47] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:51] lol [09:51] Shut the F@&# Up dive [09:54] hey does anyone have probs in -current transferring back to X/De/WM from a tty [09:54] mine keeps going black and i have to kill x [09:55] VampirePenguin: nope. [09:55] hye BP{k} .. hows going.. ur cheating u said no late im trying to find a yes [09:55] lol [09:56] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [09:56] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [09:56] VampirePenguin: hehe, I am good, it's Friday. ;) It works fine for me, although I saw someone mention it on oftc/#slackware as well. [09:56] that was me [09:56] ah :P [09:57] but ya know time of day and all.. [09:57] tgi-motherfucking-f [09:57] pppl come and go [09:57] VampirePenguin: and weirdass nicknames ;) [09:57] VampirePenguin: just out of curiousity, what kind of hardware. [09:57] tooly (n=tooly@e178155204.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [09:58] lenovo 3000 c200 mostly intel ... vid is 945, im not running a kdm, my inittaab is 3 for boot and i use startx [09:59] i didnt know it was going on til last night.. and im like hmmm... never had this problem fefore [09:59] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-61-204-238.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:00] i can switch to th ttys with ctrl alt f# or chvt # [10:00] just not back to 7 [10:02] demoncyber_ (n=marco@200.18.3.253) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:02] and im just one of those weird users that happen to enjoy using cli [10:02] so i like to fill em up [10:02] demoncyber_ (n=marco@200.18.3.253) joined ##slackware. [10:03] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. 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[10:08] 3.2.13 [10:08] well ive worked in the food industry and the potential for food borne sickness was high with cross containinaton, improper cooking temps so its engrained in me [10:09] yeah I do it right [10:09] antiwire, thx [10:09] 4 mins boiling water, not runny whites [10:09] oh so poached [10:09] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-66-253.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [10:09] which is what i said in the first place man [10:10] anonymous_male (n=sherwina@d122-109-156-34.sun14.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [10:10] im just waking up [10:10] i can barely see the screen [10:10] lol [10:10] me too but i'm about to jump into the ocean [10:10] the day does not compute yet [10:10] WOOO [10:10] fire it up baby [10:10] cool [10:10] been a long tim for me [10:12] at least 10 yrs [10:12] budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. 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[11:08] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8985A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [11:08] eelriver (n=eelriver@67.102.106.32) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:10] Guilherme_ (n=Guilherm@189.63.215.52) joined ##slackware. [11:10] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:15] its been a long time since i managed a mail server... I have a major continuity issue in the mail network with 2 single points of failure... im in the process of elimiating both... my main issue is that one of the MTAs is a qmail server supposedly with forwarders for a couple of users to thier personal home accounts... how do i determine or generate a list of these fowards [11:15] for qmail [11:17] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-249-176.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [11:18] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.187) joined ##slackware. [11:19] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[11:38] adult ADHD medication [11:44] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [11:44] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:46] acidchild, a quick Google suggests it could be like weed in some of the effects :P [11:46] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:46] well a cross between weed and meth xD [11:48] Mizobe (n=Rodrigo@s-isa-01.ltia.fc.unesp.br) joined ##slackware. [11:48] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [11:50] Chavao_ (n=diegocha@201-30-210-82.poolip.RJO.embratel.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:50] Chavao_ (n=diegocha@201-30-210-82.poolip.RJO.embratel.net.br) left ##slackware. [11:52] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.155.191.32) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:52] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [11:53] Mizobe (n=Rodrigo@s-isa-01.ltia.fc.unesp.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:54] Mizobe (n=Rodrigo@s-isa-01.ltia.fc.unesp.br) joined ##slackware. [11:56] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [11:57] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@173.18.58.139) joined ##slackware. [11:57] i hate inexperienced admins and developers who think they are admins [11:57] Greetings everyone. :) [11:57] Nick change: fire|bird -> Guest25765 [11:58] this network im on is a f'ing nightmare [11:58] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-166-65.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:58] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-166-65.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware. [11:58] gzamora (n=gzamora@petrohue.aula.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [11:58] i hate the fact that i thought getting a msc would be a good idea [11:58] nick wsp4th [11:59] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [11:59] Anyone know why I've compiled SD card support for my kernel; yet it still wont pick it up? [11:59] (Yes, I copied it to /boot, lilo, and what not) [11:59] acidchild: it's just amphetamines [12:00] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [12:00] i just done make clean; make blah... - hopefully that will work [12:00] illuz1oN: did you build it as a module? [12:00] or built-in? [12:00] nope. [12:00] built in. [12:00] I tried as a module first, (yes I modprobed) [12:00] and yes I rebooted :P. [12:01] illuz1oN: what does `dmesg | tail` tells you when you plug the sdcard in [12:01] 2 sec [12:01] pastebin would be useful [12:01] pvn (n=vep2@147.87.113.46) left ##slackware. [12:01] http://pastebin.com/m2b2d66ff [12:02] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [12:03] illuz1oN: this is teh output just after plugin in the sd card?! [12:03] yup. [12:03] I watched the kernel compile the sd shit too [12:03] so I'm really confused [12:04] illuz1oN: maybe you missed some other modules.. let me research about that [12:04] okay [12:04] I'm recompiling kernel after a "make clean" [12:05] so i'll restart and let you know [12:05] illuz1oN: wait a minute [12:05] ok [12:05] make clean && make distclean && make mrproper ;) [12:05] mister proper [12:05] nice man)) [12:05] heya BP{k}, how's it going? [12:05] :( [12:05] argh [12:05] should I stop compiling and do that BP{k}? [12:06] Nick change: Guest25765 -> fire|bird [12:06] hey fire|dude ;) I am good .. there be been in teh fridge [12:06] illuz1oN: i guess you probably forgot stuff [12:06] BP{k}: :) [12:06] I double checked steiger [12:06] Device Drivers -> MMC/SD/SDIO -> * [12:07] illuz1oN: do other USB devices work ? [12:07] perfectly. [12:08] the 2.6 kernel is pretty forgiving about killing a build, changing some crap, and then just re-calling "make" [12:08] i didn't kill it anyhow. [12:09] reboot time... [12:09] i very rarely use "make clean" unless I'm patching or something [12:09] brb [12:09] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:09] Action: BP{k} very rarely builds a kernel. [12:11] Action: steiger tries.. but stuff is ALWAYS missing. so, i gave up building custom kernels [12:11] mohaa (n=mohaa@188.115.65.197) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:11] Action: fire|bird has built several kernels in the past few months. [12:12] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.90.135) joined ##slackware. [12:12] lol: http://www.withinwindows.com/2009/07/16/downloading-another-browser-in-e-without-a-browser-in-3-steps/ [12:12] Action: Camarade_Tux has built lots of kernels in the past few months. [12:12] yo fire|bird :) [12:13] noisesinmyhead (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:13] y0 Camarade_Tux, how's it going? [12:15] I should make myself a clean kernel [12:15] but, then again, I should've put on clean underwear this morning. [12:15] fire|bird: fine, thanks, and you? [12:15] Looks like neither of the aforementioned things are happening today... [12:15] yo eviljames :) [12:16] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [12:16] Camarade_Tux: doing great, thanks. [12:16] eviljames: for your underwear you can still issu 'make clean' >< [12:17] only after "make clean streaks" [12:17] speaking of underwear: http://gizmodo.com/5321634/handerpants-support-where-you-never-knew-you-needed-it [12:17] nope [12:17] >.< [12:17] didn't work [12:18] fire|bird: Ok.. I dunno what's scarier a) the fact that they actually have that or b) that you were looking for it... [12:18] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:20] Camarade_Tux: can i pm a mo please? [12:20] Dominian: Oh, I wasn't looking for it, I just check lifehacker and gizmodo each day and that was on there today. [12:20] Hi kethry, how are you? [12:20] if you're in the military dont threaten to compile a colonel.. they usually stare at you for a minute with a confused look on their face then cough up a pretty nasty 'tude [12:21] hi fire|bird ... am good thanks.. you? [12:21] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [12:21] doing great, thank you. [12:21] glad to hear it :) [12:22] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [12:22] Hello! [12:22] hello pri4pus [12:23] How are you fire|bird? [12:23] pri4pus: doing great, thank you. yourself? [12:24] The same. Thank you! :-) [12:24] noisesinmyhead (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:25] kethry: err, yeah... [12:25] Camarade_Tux: ta [12:25] a/s/l. :P [12:25] Hey, there's the awesome chick! [12:25] noisesinmyhead (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:25] eviljames: no. [12:25] kethry: yes. :P [12:26] you're not having buhkit! [12:26] oh.. in that case .. no. IS MAH BUHKIT! [12:26] or beer either. [12:26] What's the plural of walrus? Walrii? [12:27] eviljames: if they think you have their buhkit.. probably.. "shit! run!" [12:28] giuppy_ (n=giuppy@host69-160-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "leaving" [12:29] giuppy (n=giuppy@host69-160-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:29] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [12:29] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:31] epaphus (n=unix3@190.10.68.228) joined ##slackware. [12:32] kethry: That's pretty much always what I say when I see walrii outside of the zoo. [12:32] Hello, anybody know the command for how to count the files in a directory_ [12:32] ? [12:32] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [12:32] eviljames: and you've seen walruses outside the zoo how many times? [12:32] epaphus: wc(1) [12:32] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:33] gzamora (n=gzamora@petrohue.aula.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: "leaving" [12:33] kethry: I'm a Canadian, didn't you know? We have walruses lining the streets. [12:33] (true answer: twice) [12:34] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:34] oh you're *canadian*? no wonder BP likes you so much... [12:34] .... [12:34] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [12:34] lol [12:35] kethry: don't make me kill off your netconnection. [12:35] Action: kethry blows a raspberry at BP and goes back to what she was doing. [12:36] Action: eviljames causes internal strife [12:36] eviljames, do you have some walrus burger i can pick up [12:36] nix_chix0r: Yeah, and it's organically frozen (that is, left on my balcony) [12:36] s/balcony/igloo/ [12:37] hahah same here [12:38] http://gizmodo.com/5321991/how-much-is-the-world-pooping :D [12:38] Hey nix_chix0r, how are you? [12:38] nix_chix0r: slackytude asked me for a hologram of you naked, is it ok? :D [12:39] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:39] Oh, it measures from twitter/ [12:40] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [12:40] eviljames: so, what are you doing right now? ;) [12:41] hurrr [12:41] fire|bird, i'm doin ok just wakin up put the boy in his walker and he's watching ice age 3 [12:41] kinda just waitin for him to get hungry [12:41] hows it goin in here [12:42] good [12:42] All was going well in here until Camarade_Tux showed up, then it's been all down hill. :P [12:42] y0 hitest [12:43] hiya fire|bird:) [12:43] yeah he's been trying to get naked holograms of every one. i may take him up on that [12:43] :O [12:43] no different than collecting weird cookie jars right [12:43] haha [12:44] lol [12:44] 3d camera ftw!!! :P [12:44] haha [12:44] gah this version of ice age three looks like some one recorded it off their cell phone:| [12:44] hey fire|bird [12:45] hello VampirePenguin [12:45] fire|bird, were you having issues the other day with not being able to get back to X after going to tty [12:45] nix_chix0r: oh you found my cam of ice age 3? It was recorded on my cell phone. [12:45] eviljames, it's pretty bad:P [12:45] VampirePenguin: nope. [12:46] vhs has better quality than what is playing on my HD tv [12:46] nix_chix0r: yeah, eviljames isn't a very good videographer. :) [12:46] okay it must have been on another server i hang out on... or im just nutz [12:46] well actully i am [12:46] fire|bird: oh, I forgot to tell you: DIE! ;) [12:47] eviljames: I thought you left that type of work to your gf? :P She wasn't around at the time? [12:47] aww [12:47] Camarade_Tux: LIVE. [12:47] I CHOOSE LIFE. [12:47] Camarade_Tux: why? [12:47] i'm bored. [12:48] spook: you could increase your boredom by reading slashdot. [12:48] fire|bird: "< fire|bird> All was going well in here until Camarade_Tux showed up, then it's been all down hill. :P" ;) [12:48] lib (i=hex@c-71-233-168-122.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] eviljames: i gave up slashdot for a while [12:48] Camarade_Tux: haha, oh, that. I typed that? Nah, doesn't sound like me. :P [12:49] Camarade_Tux: I think eviljames typed it in a fire|bird mask. ;) [12:49] bijit (i=1000@190.241.15.48) left irc: "leaving" [12:49] haw haw Slashdot only today reports the DD-WRT vuln [12:51] me hungry but me fridge empty ='( [12:51] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:51] mine too [12:51] fire|bird: yeah... [12:51] same here [12:51] no food to be had :( [12:51] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-61-204-238.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:52] good grief, nobody has any food? :P [12:52] i have about 4L of icecream [12:52] fire|bird: I have ~ 55kg of salmon steaks [12:52] lol: http://imgur.com/N5KNc.png [12:53] and maybe ~ 10kg of Halibut (mmmm... *drool*) [12:53] but other than those dead fish, my freezer is empty [12:54] demoncyber_ (n=marco@200.18.3.253) left irc: Client Quit [12:56] brb [12:58] still one hour left to buy food, am I lazier or hungrier? [12:58] comrad [12:58] go eat some borsht [12:58] hungrier [12:58] nix_chix0r: hai [12:58] Guilherme_ (n=Guilherm@189.63.215.52) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:59] http://www.inquisitr.com/27527/family-planning-clinic-fail/ :) [12:59] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [12:59] jeev: told you there was nothing left! [12:59] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:59] if i call my friends the n-word. is it racist if i treat my dark skinned friends differently by not calling them it? [13:01] Is it racist that people call me a honkey? [13:01] yes. [13:02] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A77444.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [13:03] epaphus (n=unix3@190.10.68.228) left irc: "Leaving" [13:04] why call anyone n-word? [13:04] a majority of my friends were or are /b/tards [13:06] wtf is /b/tards? [13:06] you really dont want to know [13:06] http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/07/23/another-day-of-republican-racism/ [13:06] republicans need to stop hating [13:06] I laughed and laughed and laughed and laughed... [13:07] they should concentrate their hate at the democrats [13:07] being black or gay isnt a choice, but being a democrat is [13:07] being gay is a choice... [13:07] CmdLnKid_ (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [13:07] maybe [13:07] Only for women is it a choice [13:07] :P [13:07] superGear: its not. [13:07] kind of is for some [13:07] its not. [13:07] superGear: No, in reality, it totally isn't. [13:07] But, you know, let's not let reality come in the way of this discussion. [13:08] it is in no way a choice. [13:08] lol @ eviljames [13:08] spook, I ain't going to discuss that here [13:08] if having sex is a choice, being gay is also a choice. but i agree that what causes sexual thoughts towards men is not a matter of choice [13:08] good. [13:08] steiger: Having sex isn't a choice. [13:08] At least, not for women it isn't [13:08] lol. [13:08] stop rape. [13:08] say yes. [13:08] Having sex is a choice unless your are raped [13:09] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:09] you* [13:09] monstro (i=1000@201-68-36-119.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:09] Where I find Squid in tgz for Slackware 12.2 ? [13:09] in n/ ? [13:09] monstro: slackbuilds.org [13:09] eviljames: its not in 12.2 [13:10] oh, I thought squid was part of the base. [13:10] nup [13:10] nope [13:10] spook, compiled in tgz exist ? [13:10] bad eviljames -_- [13:10] nada [13:10] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [13:10] monstro: the slackbuild is very easy [13:10] monstro: dunno but don't use precompiled packages FULLSTOP ) [13:10] monstro: get the slackbuild from SBo and run the following: source squid.info && wget -c $DOWNLOAD && su -c './squid.SlackBuild' [13:11] monstro: That will put a package in /tmp for you to use. [13:11] monstro: download the slackbuild, extract the slackbuild, download the source into the slackbuild folder. execure the slackbuild as root [13:11] Camarade_Tux: What's bad? [13:11] lib (i=hex@c-71-233-168-122.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:11] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [13:11] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:11] http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.2/network/squid/3.0.STABLE16/ [13:11] monstro: sbopkg [13:11] tgz is there [13:11] okay. [13:11] thanks all [13:12] superGear: good work you tard. [13:12] why are you calling me a tard? [13:12] superGear: we almost had him compiling his own package [13:12] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [13:12] eviljames: you don't know your slackware packages by heart, now copy the list of a/ packages! [13:12] he wanted a tgz [13:12] he didn't want to compile it [13:12] superGear: so next he comes in here, wanting a package [13:12] tho he could have just googled squid 12.2 [13:12] Camarade_Tux: I let Slackware manage those packages for me, I know my own custom set that I want. [13:12] tho he could have just googled squid slackware 12.2 [13:13] lagann_ (i=hex@c-71-233-168-122.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] Camarade_Tux: While my gigantic brain holds a ton of data, it is wise enough to know which data it doesn't need. [13:13] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:13] eviljames: drop and give me 20 [13:13] Nick change: a1g_ -> a1g [13:13] i don't know what's in what [13:14] i got a memory of a gnat tho [13:14] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [13:17] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [13:17] which gnat? :D [13:17] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: No route to host [13:18] iGaucho (n=mark@72.8.75.142) joined ##slackware. [13:20] iGaucho (n=mark@72.8.75.142) left ##slackware. [13:21] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:21] Nick change: CmdLnKid_ -> CmdLnKid [13:23] macavity (n=macavity@port1118.ds1-abc.adsl.cybercity.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:23] kk back, time to dance [13:23] 'aaalloooo... i am linsey loohaaaan :P [13:23] nix_chix0r hurray for boobies [13:23] macavity: what [13:24] spook: lulz, i have just been watching Jeff Dunham :P [13:24] well that explains a lot [13:24] macavity: yeah i agrre, that REALLY helps [13:24] :P [13:25] so, anyone with an intel gpu who is up for a little testing? [13:25] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.22.216) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:25] running -current? [13:25] yup [13:25] no dice. [13:25] eeepc has 12.2 [13:25] is that an AH1000 or similar? [13:25] or a 7/9xx? [13:26] 945GME [13:26] yes, all of them has 945 [13:26] oh right [13:26] other_rafa (i=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) joined ##slackware. [13:26] the eeepc model [13:26] 901 LIN [13:26] ah, a 901 :P [13:26] best model. [13:27] get parted up and running and make room for -current [13:27] alienBOB's AH1000 does not exhibit problems with current -current, as just about the only one i have heard of [13:27] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [13:27] not huge like a 1000, but with plenty of grunt [13:28] pretty much everyone else with Intel has problem, and i think i have a fix [13:28] i'd need how much room for the install [13:28] macavity: get my mail? [13:29] eviljames: hang on.. still slurping coffee [13:29] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:29] heh, me to [13:29] s/to/too/ [13:29] macavity: how much room do i need for -current? [13:29] macavity: Just that I had success, but the results were less than optimal. [13:29] ~8fps while moving windows with VSync, and ~10-16 w/o it [13:29] under UXA [13:29] under UXA?!? [13:30] not good.. not good [13:30] on an 865 chip - so likely the testing on my laptop (945 + 64bitz) will go better [13:30] ah, okies [13:30] And with a stock 2.6.29.6 kernel [13:30] right, as we are supposed to test against [13:30] Action: spook nudges macavity [13:30] Didn't you say that you had better results with .30.1 + intel patches? [13:30] but at lest this gives you an xorg that will start! [13:31] spook: ~4GB [13:31] macavity: my xorg always started, antiwire's didn't. [13:31] spook: i dont know how much you can trim it down to.. you need full X and KDE/XFCE to test [13:31] full kde? [13:31] spook: we need to see if KDE effects will run [13:31] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:31] ah. [13:31] ookies [13:31] SPEAK OF THE DEVIL AND IT WILL APPEAR [13:31] err [13:31] hi antiwire! [13:32] antiwire: ready to get test some packages? [13:32] I got cut off by some old man which caused me to be sucked up into the lip of a 7 ft wave and throw over the falls which pile drove me into the sea floor. [13:32] ouch [13:32] i nearly broke my fscking arm because of the guy [13:33] O_O [13:33] did you beat him up? [13:33] i yelled at him [13:33] just recompile him with --have-some-fucking-sense [13:33] i followed him onto the beach and let it loose [13:33] beat him up [13:34] eviljames: remind me, how was the situation before you upgraded? [13:34] he was limping after the incident already too so at least i wasn't the only causality [13:34] macavity: pretty much no change for my 865 chip. It works w/o copmositing well, under desktop effects very very poorly. [13:34] antiwire: were you surfing? [13:34] should have beat him up [13:34] macavity: yeah [13:34] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:35] eviljames: ok, i suspect that is to be expected from the 8xx series [13:35] idiots go out and don't follow the unwritten rules [13:35] I definitely noticed an improvement w/o compositing (scrolling in firefox & konq smoother, lower cpu usage) [13:35] i wish i had jedi powers [13:35] eviljames: does glxgears show any difference? [13:35] tooly (n=tooly@e178147016.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:35] my eeepc is all the way over there. and my sleeping bag is really comfy [13:35] macavity: This same machine worked fantastic on 12.2 w/ compositing (compiz++) [13:35] fuck [13:35] josefig (n=josefig@200.77.69.215) joined ##slackware. [13:35] macavity: Not at it right now, won't be for ~6 hours [13:36] how can i netboot parted? [13:36] funny spook [13:36] im doing that right now through debian [13:36] hehe [13:36] spook: parted is there along with cfdisk et al on the installers initrd [13:37] eviljames: ok.. if all else fails i have a recipie intel-2.8-with-the-full-shabang [13:37] eviljames: from the mailing list it looks like that fixes the remaining 8xx issues for most users [13:37] macavity: oh cool. [13:38] i should start making a template for people to fill out with basic info on what works and what does not [13:39] do i include the new libdrm in the build? i have a vague idea that it fixes some bo/gtt issues [13:39] why isnt this being done up-stream? [13:39] spook: because up-stream does not have 67 different revisions of intel and ati GPUs to test with [13:40] macavity: k, I'll embark on a build today, to test when I get home [13:40] spook: and because we need to bear vary convincing testemony that upgrading to a bleeding edge Mesa is not going to get anyones dicks slammed in the door [13:41] tastemony you mean [13:41] i do? [13:41] very tasty [13:41] well, the issue is that while 7.4 is "more stable," it was also abandoned pretty early on by devs who started gun-ho with 7.5 [13:41] so ended up being a pretty shitty release overall [13:41] yes [13:41] so, which is best, the shitty release, or the unstable one? :) [13:42] so all in all, despite what the release numbers say, 7.5 is in a lot better shape than 7.4.4 [13:42] yep, but with the merges that went in, might still be rough on the edges [13:42] thrice`: i follow the mailing list, and there has been unusually quite on the bugzilla front [13:43] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.77.171) joined ##slackware. [13:43] thrice`: Arch linux has already pushed this one out, so if it broke things in general, i think we would have heard by now [13:43] well, the release notes even say "for stability, you might wait for a .1 release" [13:43] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [13:44] that said, it's been OK so far on my machine [13:44] thrice`, i had a tough task remembering i used x11vnc last time [13:44] ;) [13:44] you had told me once i think [13:44] mm, not me, I don't think, as I've never used x11vnc [13:44] weird [13:44] anyway, i pictured you making fun of me [13:44] i was struggling [13:44] nice that you were thinking of me though <3 [13:45] i also thought of you last week when i had diarrhea [13:45] i'd appreciate if you would refrain from thinking of me + your ass in any sense [13:45] life's a struggle [13:47] then you get taxed. [13:48] one just have to exist above society ;-) [13:48] oh i dont need parted. i'm using lvm [13:48] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl8-109-251.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:50] you know what would be awesome for the slack installer [13:50] if you could pause the download or queue the next downloads out of a different mirror [13:50] tooly (n=tooly@e178147016.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [13:50] you shouldnt be installing from the internet. [13:50] spook, im doing this on a server far far away ? [13:51] rsync to the disk [13:51] im trying an advanced install of debian [13:51] never done it, i've never used lvm [13:51] never never [13:51] wsp4th_ (n=wsp4th@208.88.85.160) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:51] thrice`: are you subscribed to the mesa-dev list? [13:52] macavity: nope, but I read the archives on (rare) occassion [13:52] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-166-65.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:52] thrice`: you should *really* read the thread "Mesa (master): gallium: updates for TGSI changes" [13:53] grah how do i activate my lvm in the installer [13:54] spook: there is a docuemtn on LVM in the root of the CD/DVD [13:54] spook: i dont remember off hand though.. [13:54] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:54] macavity: well, I don't think gallium is doing anything yet [13:55] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:55] I think there is *supposed* to be somethign turning up with "glxinfo | grep -i gallium", but it's not the case [13:56] thrice`: now that i have a version/package combination that works for my daily usage i am looking into tracking gallium [13:57] thrice`: from what i understand Zack is just about to embark on the stuff nessecary for LLVM to enter the scene [13:57] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host138-70-dynamic.44-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:57] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-166-65.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware. [13:57] aha [13:57] i was failing because, vgscan --mknodes [13:57] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@76.67.113.108) left irc: Client Quit [13:58] macavity: well, noone at intel is doing anything yet [13:58] macavity: For testing purposes I have my stock -current w/ the updates we discussed yesterday. What approach should we take here? [13:58] macavity: Split the load, so to speak.. I can hit kernel patches w/ the same setup to see if that makes any difference? [13:58] hrm [13:59] virtualbox slackbuild fails for me [13:59] Checking for iasl: [13:59] ** iasl (variable IASL) not found! [13:59] any hints? [13:59] did you install acpica ? [14:00] just doing it [14:00] what does that mean? :) [14:00] its not mentioned as requirment on the vbox slackbuild [14:00] yes, it is [14:00] that I found the missing stuff as soon as I asked the question :( [14:00] thrice`: the i945simple driver is in place, which is pretty much just calls the softpipe driver, which in turns again does the whole gallium thing with translating GLSL into SSE2 [14:00] This requires acpica, and the virtualbox-kernel package is needed at runtime. [14:00] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-166-65.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:01] thrice`, damn [14:01] eviljames: you are not going to get anywhere with intel-2.8 without at least kenel .30 [14:01] lionping (n=itsme@cm.mpi.univie.ac.at) left irc: "leaving" [14:01] eviljames: i have .30.1 + 8 intel drm patches, and everything is running like a gazella with a cheeta on its ass here :P' [14:03] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [14:04] nheco (n=nheco_nh@201-66-187-99.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:04] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:04] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:05] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488364.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:05] thrice`: apparently I'm not the only one with the drive recognition problem with this board, check out paragraph 4 :P http://tinyurl.com/nqgmht [14:06] sidmario_ (n=xxx@201-95-229-181.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:09] Hello [14:09] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [14:09] BP{k}: do you use bitlbee with gtalk? [14:10] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:10] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-82-9-16-6.manc.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:11] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-9-16-6.manc.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:16] electricaluterus (n=hiv@S01060018f8c17cc5.su.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:16] sz^ (n=sz@a91-154-12-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:16] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:17] anybody tried http://code.google.com/p/neatx/ on slackware ? [14:17] Richlv: what is it [14:17] nx server from google [14:17] Kaapa: .... [14:17] recently announced, opensource [14:17] Kaapa: only the .. what, third time you ask this? [14:18] BP{k}: oh, maybe more :p [14:18] i have those annoying problems with freenx where a running session is tucked in failed/stopped section when communication problems terminate the connection [14:19] Kaapa: anyway "yes." want to try asking the actual question? [14:21] archimandrita (n=archiman@167.Red-79-157-121.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] would anyone know where to buy the scrabble pillows? (they are pillows with a letter written on it and the associated number of points) [14:21] O_o [14:21] weird feish [14:21] fetish even [14:21] Camarade_Tux: make your own [14:22] I tried SlackE17 [14:22] Very beautiful :} [14:22] spook: pretty hard ;) [14:22] Camarade_Tux: or get it printed on a tshirt and turn it into a pillow [14:22] slackytude: fetish? :o [14:22] slacke17? [14:22] Hi slackytude Camarade_Tux spook :) [14:22] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [14:22] y0 fredoslack [14:22] slackytude, yes, E17 :) [14:22] oh god not this guy [14:22] lol [14:22] fredoslack, where from? [14:22] I search the link, wait please [14:23] here >> http://slacke17.sourceforge.net/ [14:23] i english the try [14:23] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:23] 1 package only :) [14:24] yo fredoslack :) [14:24] slackytude: it's not a fetish ;) [14:25] Camarade_Tux, what you want them for then [14:25] ? [14:25] fredoslack, thx, looks nice [14:26] slackytude, there is only 1 package [14:26] fredoslack, yeah, nice [14:26] hmmmm http://www.gamesandgeeks.com/blog/index.php/geekeries/pacman-est-sexy/ (half nsfw) [14:27] tgz is formatted so it easily removes [14:27] slackytude: for a friend's birthday (she is ... special) [14:27] fredoslack: thats right, but you said it in the horriblest way [14:27] Camarade_Tux, I knew a girl was involved [14:27] Mizobe (n=Rodrigo@s-isa-01.ltia.fc.unesp.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:27] Camarade_Tux, nice link ^-^ [14:27] lagann_ (i=hex@c-71-233-168-122.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:28] slackytude: friend ;) [14:28] spook, I have not practiced English for ten years :( [14:28] slackytude: wanna play pacman with me? I gotta find the ghost :) [14:29] Camarade_Tux: i'll make the pillows for you [14:29] fredoslack: irc will help you practice (a bit too much ;) ) [14:29] lagann_ (i=hex@c-71-233-168-122.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:29] Camarade_Tux, friends, eh [14:29] spook: :P [14:29] slackytude: :) [14:29] spook: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define:horriblest [14:30] Camarade_Tux: $799USD delivered. [14:30] spook: Before complaining of other people's english... [14:30] eviljames: its the spook dialect of australian english [14:30] I tried to get in to Australia recently. They kept asking me if I was carrying a weapon or if I had a criminal record. [14:30] spook: same day shipping? [14:30] fuck the queen's english [14:30] Is being a criminal still a requirement for being Australian? [14:31] Camarade_Tux: parachuted to your front door [14:31] eviljames: i'm 1st generation australian, take your best shot [14:31] spook: oh, not very expensive then ;) [14:31] my gf on the other hand. [14:31] 799$ thats about 12 euro or so [14:31] spook: That was my best shot :( [14:31] is 8th generation. her ancestor buggered a horse in england. [14:32] spook: or are you saying that I get to take a run at your gf? [14:32] I like http://www.flickr.com/photos/earlysound/2186172726/ too but they're smaaal (5.3") [14:32] lagann_ (i=hex@c-71-233-168-122.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:32] A link with themes, for E17: http://www0.get-e.org/ [14:32] eviljames: if you can find her, you're welcome to try. [14:32] Ahh, imaginary girlfriends.. those are the most fun ones. [14:33] An other >> http://www.e17-stuff.org/ [14:33] =) [14:33] eviljames: i taught martial arts for a few years, taught her some stuff. [14:33] spook: We must kungfufight! [14:33] she'll mop the floor with you and make you wear a dress [14:34] Camarade_Tux, il va falloir que je passe la vie ici pour améliorer mon anglais lol [14:34] spook: For free? I already pay good money for a woman to do that.. [14:34] fredoslack: english only please :) [14:34] paissad-hp (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:34] user37909 (n=ldsldfn@ppp-69-223-62-150.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [14:34] Yes, sorry :( [14:34] eviljames: getting ripped off :P [14:35] fredoslack: c'est en bonne voie ;) [14:35] ok thanks hi hi [14:35] parle vu english motherfucker. [14:35] Nick change: _guitarm1n_ -> _guitarman_ [14:35] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:35] in ten years I will be at point :p [14:35] "parlez-vous anglais fils de pute" ;) [14:36] lool [14:36] fils de pute != motherfucker. [14:36] more like sonofawhore [14:36] saitei [14:36] Meijito (i=Meijito@unaffiliated/meijito) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:37] For all you spantards out there: Chupe mantequilla de mi culo! 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[14:42] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:43] hello everyone [14:43] fscking msn spam [14:43] greetings Lord_Khelben [14:43] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC025C8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] here to eat >> http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Manger/0038.gif [14:44] fire|bird: :) [14:44] the silvergold version [14:44] lagann_ (i=hex@c-71-233-168-122.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:44] uh [14:44] how to start the vbox gui? [14:44] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:45] VirtualBox [14:45] sigh [14:45] slackytude: if you installed the binary version its /opt/VirtualBox/VirtualBox [14:45] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: No route to host [14:46] hrm [14:46] brb [14:46] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A77444.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:47] vbox audio via binary does work on slackware64? [14:47] n350k (n=malandri@200.92.64.7) joined ##slackware. [14:47] good evening [14:47] Enjoy your meal [14:47] :p [14:47] Hermann (n=Hermannn@81.170.156.174) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [14:49] dngr (n=dngr@n112118131237.netvigator.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:50] dngr (n=dngr@n112118131237.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [14:53] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.112.239.226) joined ##slackware. [14:53] macavity: i'm finally getting round to installing it [14:53] after playing with lvm for a few hours [14:54] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:55] archimandrita (n=archiman@167.Red-79-157-121.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "leaving" [14:55] spook: great :-) [14:55] spook: are you on 32 or 64? [14:55] josefig (n=josefig@200.77.69.215) left irc: "Leaving" [14:55] 32 [14:56] good.. stand by for mesa.SlackBuild [14:56] powtrix: do you have a particular guest in mind ? i have a xp32 image i can test [14:56] archimandrita (n=archiman@167.Red-79-157-121.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] here the sound does not work, any os [14:56] _FlyBacK_[Safe_V (n=Romeo~@host193-70-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:57] Kaapa: did you actually have a question in regards to bitlbee? [14:57] macavity, i'm with 32 [14:57] Because of Wine [14:57] the sound does not work in windows, linux or solaris i tested [14:57] fredoslack: are you helping test intel graphics? [14:57] fredoslack: wine works fine in slackware 64 [14:58] spook, i've got a Nvidia card [14:58] fredoslack: yeah that doesnt help. [14:58] slack 32 or 64 ... [14:58] :p [14:58] spook: http://pastebin.ca/index.php <- mesa.SlackBuild [14:59] fredoslack: slackware 64 + wine 32 bit works fine [14:59] macavity: still installing :P [14:59] spook: ok.. i will keep it handy [14:59] spook: are you aquainted with Patrick's x11 build system? [14:59] macavity: up to... /c/ [14:59] /d/ [15:00] macavity: not in the slightest [15:00] ok [15:00] you grap the contents of srouce/x/x11/ *but omit the src dir* [15:00] powtrix: you are right. it doesn't work in alsa mode [15:00] like the 32bit virtualbox does [15:00] but if when i chose oss mode it worked [15:00] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [15:00] then you recreate the src dir with the subdirs underneath that you need [15:01] oss work? [15:01] in this case that is src/xserver and src/driver [15:01] powtrix: slack pretty much uses alsa. [15:01] then you donload the source and stick them in there [15:01] macavity: i smell a need for a guide :) [15:01] being xorg-server-1.6.2.tar.xz [15:01] powtrix: i have virtualbox 3 is have alsa/oss/pulseaudio. alsa doesn't work, oss works [15:02] spook: right.. yell at me when you are ready :P [15:02] let me try [15:02] oops thats not english what i typed [15:02] macavity: like i wasnt going to already? [15:02] :P [15:02] Action: macavity fetches more coffee [15:03] hey macavity, how's it going? [15:04] Lord_Khelben: My experience is the same, OSS works well, Alsa, so/so. [15:04] up to kde [15:04] eviljames: in my case and powtrix's alsa doesn't work at all [15:04] i don't use it much so i didn't notice it till now that powtrix mentioned [15:05] no worked here oss in guest [15:05] CmdLnKid_ (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [15:05] powtrix: it didn't work ? [15:05] nope [15:05] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Success [15:05] Nick change: CmdLnKid_ -> CmdLnKid [15:05] weird. it worked fine for me [15:05] The other thing I noticed is that VBox attempts (at least during boot) to take exclusive control of the sound card, so if firefox or amarok or whatever are open it will fail. [15:06] ah maybe thats the case [15:06] whats the highest proof its legal to sell in your countries? [15:06] spook: 180 or so [15:06] eviljames: wow. [15:06] i didn't have firefox open. powtrix did you have firefox or amarok open ? [15:06] Everclear W00T! [15:06] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:06] firefox is [15:07] erm does it need to be closed? [15:07] yep. [15:07] try it once with firefox closed [15:07] eviljames: here its only about 100 proof [15:07] if it works then eviljames is right [15:08] it weird though, because one would expect that the sound subsystem would be the same in 32/64bit [15:08] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:08] hehe worked [15:08] wtf [15:08] spook: weak. I don't drink whiskey that isn't higher than 100 proof. Come to Canada, we like to get fscked up here :P [15:08] actually anything besides the cpu emulation [15:08] eviljames: considering the way the worlds going, canada doesnt sound too bad a place to live [15:08] powtrix: I'm pretty sure that while vbox is going you won't have sound from other apps. [15:09] anyhow, gotta run for a bit. [15:09] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.89.168) joined ##slackware. [15:09] weird [15:10] i *bet* there is a switch that lets you pick whatever you want oss/alsa [15:10] who would want oss [15:10] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-71-168-133-211.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:10] macavity: there is a switch [15:10] i will keep it handy [15:10] but alsa mode doesn't work in 64bit virtualbox [15:11] spook: oss does not grant exclusive hardware controll (iirc) [15:11] http://powtrix.pastebin.com/d6643bd6c [15:11] Hey guys, is there an official guide to manually making Slackware packages? [15:11] Lord_Khelben: ah, then it is probably the other way around [15:11] its just another example of redundancy, like gnome and kde [15:12] spook: about the oss version in the kernel i agree. nobody would want it. but ossv4 (4.2 now) its quite nice [15:12] NthDegree: take any .SlackBuild and watch out it does [15:12] NthDegree: http://pastebin.ca/1506041 [15:12] NthDegree: look that one over.. it is really that simple [15:12] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:12] NthDegree: just make sure the makefiles support DESTDIR [15:13] damn vbox fucked up again my X [15:13] NthDegree: but generally makepkg does the trick :P [15:13] autotools and cmake projects honor DESTDIR so if you need to run ./configure or cmake/ccmake [15:13] then it works [15:13] if there is just a makefile then probably not [15:13] user37909 (n=ldsldfn@ppp-69-223-62-150.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:13] flame_me (n=flame_me@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [15:13] macavity, so slack-desc for the description and makepkg? ^_^ [15:14] yes [15:14] slackware.com is down again? [15:14] NthDegree: what are you trying to build? [15:14] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-22-10.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:14] sahko: it looks like it :-/ [15:14] the proper way is that. if the package is only for you and you lazy like me you can omit slack-desc :) [15:15] yeah looks down [15:15] macavity, just a custom QEMU, but I only want parts of it - i'm wondering if it's better to do a custom package or a /opt/qemu install :P [15:15] half my own packages dont have slack-desc :P [15:15] macavity, nice ^^ [15:15] qemu is super awesome [15:15] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [15:15] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.43.111) joined ##slackware. [15:15] Good to know I won't be needing to waste a half hour per package like with DEB xD [15:15] NthDegree: take the Qemu .SlackBuild from slackbuilds.org and modify it to your needs [15:16] Yeah, will do [15:16] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [15:17] it's for a little parody of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4slDVbgVos ;) [15:18] Being able to say Windows 7 and OS X both suck when that [flawed metric] is taken into serious account will be hilarious xD [15:18] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.43.111) left irc: Client Quit [15:18] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Client Quit [15:18] what are you going to do [15:19] slackware.com is working now [15:19] it timed out, then refused the connection, then worked fine [15:19] spook, well on there they open a lot of explorer and finder windows [15:20] i'm going to open a ton of explorer windows on 98SE with very little RAM inside the QEMU machine :P [15:20] oh right [15:20] you can come to my box and do it without qemu :P [15:20] its not a metric [15:20] its just a shiny toy to impress the stupid [15:21] They believe that somehow opening a lot of windows is some performance metric XD [15:21] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-22-10.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:21] there must be a bug in khotkeys (its in bugs.kde.org too). if when kde starts a press a multimedia button before kde fully starts [15:21] i'll make Win7 and OS X look bad *and* prove it's flawed xD [15:21] i get infinite windows of that program. for example konsole [15:21] your example reminded me of that :P [15:22] Lord_Khelben: khotkeys has quite a few little odd quirks in 4.x [15:22] Lord_Khelben: i hope a full rewrite is pending :P [15:22] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.151.97) joined ##slackware. [15:23] macavity: this is quite annoying because the only thing i can do is ctrl+f6,log-in,pkill konsole (or whatever program is there) until it khotkeys is bored and doesn't start more [15:23] budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:23] and to think that xfce and fluxbox which is 1mb program has interal shortcuts support that plain works [15:24] anyway i stop ranting :P just NthDegree's exaple remind me of khotkeys [15:24] thrice`: uhm, i belive there was a bug in your mesa.SlackBuild [15:24] thrice`: it should only matter on 64 [15:24] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:26] Lord_Khelben, I used to love KDE, till KDE 4 - now i'm sold on XFCE and LXDE :P [15:26] thrice`: please check if you have /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gl.pc containing the word "/tmp" or if you have /usr/lib64/pkgconfig/gl.pc without [15:27] NthDegree: KDE 4.0 and 4.1 sucked dogs ass.. but i think the 4.2.4 i am on now is the nicest thing since sliced bread :P [15:27] StevenR_ (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:27] its pretty good, and i read kde 4.3 is light years ahead of 4.2.4 [15:28] macavity, I just don't like how it's all changed - it's a familiarity-has-been-ruined thing >_> [15:28] budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [15:29] NthDegree: i just changed the desktop to a folderview.. that gave me enough of the "classic desktop" experience that i liked working with it [15:30] macavity, for me it's more two arguments combined - it's changed a hell of a lot, but hasn't brought me anything new that's really worthwhile >_> [15:30] oh, i really think the improved window management is nice [15:30] and i like the visual candy with the effects [15:31] yes its quite beautiful [15:31] I like compositing to prevent window-tearing, but I kinda hate special effects and flashyness >_> [15:31] if kwin's cpu utilization during the effects was lower it would be even better [15:31] the "press mouse against top left corner to get overview of open windows" is 100 times more effective than alt-tab when you have 10 windows open :P [15:32] Lord_Khelben, my main concern on that end is plasma - it hogs 10% CPU every few seconds [15:32] Lord_Khelben: huh? i hardly use any CPU here? [15:33] macavity: normally yes its low [15:33] now i have 2% kwin, if i move a window it goes to 20-22% then again low [15:33] sometimes out of the blue it goes to 50-60% for 10-20secs [15:33] 3rd test ddr3: @1066, 4th: @1333 -> http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=powtrix-3031-2609-27417 [15:33] maybe its plasma's fault like NthDegree said [15:34] lilo is giving me fatal: device-mapper: mapped boot device cannot be on multiple real devices [15:35] oh fuck [15:35] spook: is boot= to raidX other than raid1 ? [15:35] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [15:35] Lord_Khelben: /dev/sda, i'm using lvm though... [15:36] spook: use the boot media to get into your 12.2 [15:36] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:36] lvm shouldn't matter to lilo [15:36] macavity: i'm post install, chrooted, trying to setup lilo [15:36] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "goodbye" [15:36] spook: have you mounted proc? [15:36] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:37] macavity: i think so [15:37] spook: you may also need to run those dm commands again in the chroot to get the /dev nodes up and running again [15:37] spook: mount -t proc none /proc inside the chroot [15:38] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [15:38] already mounted [15:38] righty.. [15:38] StevenR (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:38] and you chrooted to the 12.2 install? [15:38] -current install [15:38] i'm still in the installer after installing [15:39] try and use the boot media to boot into 12.2 [15:39] Did you make your /boot as a partition within LVM? [15:39] NthDegree: no. [15:39] then mount slackware-current somewhere in 12.2, edit lilo.conf and run lilo [15:39] it doesn't matter. i used to have / on lvm too and lilo worked fine you just a initrd for that [15:40] macavity: ah, good thinking. [15:40] you don't need to have /boot outside of lvm [15:40] spook: dont ever attempt to have two co-existing lilo installs :P [15:40] CmdLnKid (n=clk@99.35.14.81) joined ##slackware. [15:40] spook: honnestly i think that lilo.conf should be in /boot :P [15:41] Lord_Khelben, I don't know what the limits of lilo are but grub fails bad when the /boot area is in LVM [15:41] spook: .. or just use grub if you run pluralroot :P [15:41] 12.2 lilo hasnt been touched. :) [15:41] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:41] Lord_Khelben, though grub needs components from the HDD and doesn't all go to MBR [15:41] spook: so it just boots normally straight to 12.2? [15:41] NthDegree: because grub needs to access the filesystem [15:41] macavity: ja [15:41] spook: eg, lilo bailed out and didnt touch the MBR? [15:41] nice [15:41] then this is a quick fix :P [15:42] lilo doesn't know the filesystem or mbr. i have booted with lilo off a gpt disk [15:42] you should probably add slackware-current-root to your fstab permanently then [15:42] lilo also doesn't need the first head (usually 63 sectors) to be empty [15:42] Lord_Khelben, really? Doesn't that mean people could ditch MSDOS partitioning scheme on an x86 with BIOS in theory? [15:42] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:43] NthDegree: if you use lilo you can use a gpt disk fine [15:43] the slackware install kernel doesn't support it though [15:43] oh dear. [15:43] you need a custom kernel [15:43] spook: ? [15:43] sweet [15:43] i have a feeling there may have been a hickup with the resizing. [15:43] Who was it in here a few days ago with dhcpcd issues/ [15:43] kejen: you? ^^ [15:43] X is crashing over and over [15:43] spook: ouch.. [15:44] spook: hit tab in lilo and type "Slackware 3" [15:44] Ctrl Alt F6 will get you to a console, even in RL4 [15:44] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:44] macavity: even better, sshing into it [15:45] rworkman: that causes a hard crash for some people with the current Intel situation [15:45] rworkman: me being one of them... [15:45] Wonderful. [15:45] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [15:45] spook is taking a shot for the team and installing -current to see how things fare on his EeePC [15:45] c-a-f6 isnt doing anything :( [15:45] rworkman: you were right about my adding a third drive issue being bios related. :P see paragraph 4: http://tinyurl.com/nqgmht [15:46] it is slightly annoying that alienBOB has one of the few intel configurations that does not seem to get hitched by the 1.6.2 upgrade :P [15:46] ooooooooh [15:46] i only left about 500mb free space [15:46] might be it [15:46] that should be plenty [15:47] macavity, even with Intel Integrated that doesn't fail badly.. it still sucks [15:47] currently 0. [15:47] but you can try clearing out /tmp [15:47] Window tearing is unbelievable on older integrated graphics [15:47] NthDegree: huh? [15:47] if you're on about the latest Xorg screwing up Intel drivers [15:47] chopp: heh. Is there a BIOS update available? :) [15:47] NthDegree: before the 1.6.2 upgrade i went to hell here.. with 1.6.1 it worked wonderfully [15:48] NthDegree: but i have a fix that apparently works with 1.6.2 for mostly everyone [15:48] macavity: old kernel sources [15:48] macavity: perhaps that is because I simply run a stock Slackware-current and refuse to use UXA [15:48] muuuch better [15:49] alienBOB: i belive i have made it clear more than once that 1.6.2 breaks with *both* EXA and UXA on my machine [15:49] macavity, did you turn off dri2 aswell? [15:49] alienBOB: i am working on getting things to fly in the default configuration.. if UXA *also* works, that is just a nice bonus [15:49] macavity: what kernel, and with/without KMS and/or xorg.conf? [15:49] rworkman: I've not checked yet..busy with other stuff. I just took out the smaller of the three drives, and used it elsewhere. Life goes on. [15:49] isn't UXA default now? [15:49] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [15:49] NthDegree: for Intel, with _very_ recent software, yes [15:50] alienBOB: -current default setup == no composite and glxgears flickers, is oddly transparent like, and renders outside the window :-/ [15:50] How to open port for nfs in firewall (iptables) ? [15:50] monstro: http://rlworkman.net/howtos/NFS_Firewall_HOWTO [15:50] macavity: I have none of these issues [15:51] alienBOB: i know... [15:51] monstro: iptables -P INPUT -j ACCEPT :P [15:51] alienBOB: sorry, but that doesn't cover all intel users [15:51] Indeed [15:51] and I think blaming things like UXA is crap [15:51] :> [15:51] rworkman: yes, that was me. But updating the firmware of the router took care of it [15:51] Call it crap, but I crap on Intel [15:51] Blaming the Xorg devel process isn't crap though. [15:51] alienBOB: eviljames cant even get X to work on his 8xx with the intel driver.. with my fix at least it will start [15:51] ha [15:52] Microsoft does not even need to kill Linux anymore. They hired Intel to finish us off [15:52] whats the ext4 support like in 12.2? [15:52] kejen: ah, that's right. [15:52] So I sound bitter? Indeed [15:52] spook: none, it went stable in 2.6.28.x [15:53] thrice`: experimental read-only support? [15:53] oh, no clue (maybe/probably?) [15:53] grep your kernel for ext4dev [15:53] alienBOB: i am getting spook to test on his EeePC 9xx (yours was an AH1000 right?) to see if his xorg craps out in the default setup [15:54] macavity: i installed current using ext4........ [15:54] well, the more updated your are for intel, the better [15:54] s0d0 (n=john@host86-175-193-7.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:54] dtanner_ (n=dtanner@adsl-75-54-93-190.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:54] mainly with kernel + mesa [15:55] it *seems* that with Mesa-7.5 + xorg-server recompile things will run with 2.7.1 on -current vanilla kernel [15:55] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:55] Nick change: dtanner_ -> dtanner [15:55] I dont' think Pat will push 2.8, as it kills UXA [15:55] er, kills everything but UXA [15:56] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [15:56] it has the driver, but because the partition is the stable version of ext4, its called ext4. the driver is probally looking for ext4dev [15:56] woeye (n=woeye@ppp-82-135-5-23.dynamic.mnet-online.de) joined ##slackware. [15:57] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.43.111) joined ##slackware. [15:58] it's interresting, though, that many other distros haven't even touched pixman 0.15.x [15:59] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] doglino (n=doglino@200.231.192.2) joined ##slackware. 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[16:03] macavity: let me sumarise [16:04] please do :P [16:04] hkothari: sure. alienbob can - http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network#wireless_networks [16:05] i installed 32current to ext4. 12.2 doesnt do ext4 stable. experimental maybe, but not stable. without being able to mount the partition, i cant run lilo to boot. i cant boot 32current install from media, because its lvm and needs an initrd [16:05] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-424150.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [16:06] spook: right.. so when you get the time you wipe the -current install and re-do it as ext3? [16:06] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-424150.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:06] yes when i'm not falling asleep [16:06] I *think* there's a way to mount it using ext4dev [16:06] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:06] john_dee: thank you [16:06] why you are not able to mount it ? [16:07] or you can throw the installer image onto a usb stick and boot that [16:07] rworkman: mount says whatsa tha ext4? [16:07] hkothari (n=hkothari@c-66-30-79-125.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [16:07] lol [16:07] anyone on slack64, kde4 and nvidia who might test something out for me? :) [16:07] pprkut: yeah? [16:07] pprkut: me [16:07] spook: I think I remember some sort of tune2fs flag you could use to let ext4dev mount them. Not sure though [16:08] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:08] rworkman: you mean the testfs flag ? [16:08] rworkman: oh, like mounting ext3 as ext2 [16:08] woeye (n=woeye@ppp-82-135-5-23.dynamic.mnet-online.de) left ##slackware. [16:08] spook, Lord_Khelben: krunner is a (visual) mess here. Could you start krunner (alt+F2) and type a command? [16:08] I mean something like that. That's all I recall :) [16:09] wouldn't mount -t ext4dev be enough ? [16:09] trying [16:10] pprkut: alt+f2 + xterm works [16:10] lagann_ (i=hex@c-71-233-168-122.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:10] it searches then print a gear icon with xterm name and it runs it fine [16:10] I get this: http://imagebin.ca/view/KKphS6.html [16:10] Lord_Khelben: wrong fs type [16:11] pprkut: http://imagebin.ca/view/BFh3jv.html [16:11] lagann_ (i=hex@c-71-233-168-122.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:11] dmesg says not marked OK to work with test code [16:11] the suspense is killing me! [16:12] spook: then it might be what rworkman said [16:12] Lord_Khelben: that's what I would like to have ;) [16:12] tune2fs -E test_fs [16:12] giuppy (n=giuppy@host69-160-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Operation timed out [16:13] the -current install kernel should be able to mount ext4 fine though. i did my install some days ago and i now have ext4 [16:13] 2.6.30.2? [16:13] 2.6.29 will definitely handle ext4, and not in a dev state [16:13] ^ [16:13] Lord_Khelben: ext4 is the default option for installing in -current, i'd hope the kernel could mount it [16:14] spook: in my case it did fine [16:14] but this is 12.2 if you were following (you are now) [16:14] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "goodbye" [16:14] why you are using 12.2 media ? you don't have the -current install anymore ? [16:14] ... [16:14] pprkut: do you want me to mess with anything to try reproduce your image ? [16:15] its a 12.2 install, not the install media [16:15] i have compositing on and default effects [16:15] spook: and something as simple as mount -t ext4dev fails ? [16:15] i have also enable the fuzzy move windows thing [16:15] spook: did you try the tune2fs -E test_fs ? [16:15] tune2fs -E test_fs and mounting as ext4dev works [16:15] Lord_Khelben: hell, if I knew how I got there :S [16:16] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [16:16] it works fine with nv [16:16] ah a nvidia setting then [16:16] i have 185.something.14 [16:16] thrice`: because in -current, ext4 partitions are made with the fs label 'ext4' [16:16] the latest before the 190.16 that was released some days ago [16:16] me too, butit's the same on 190.18 [16:17] which is unbearably slow, btw [16:17] spook: the code is the same, its just the labeling [16:17] if you can work it as ext4dev then you don't have anything to fear with it [16:17] which is why i needed to set test_fs flag [16:17] and you can always compile a 2.6.30.x kernel [16:17] spook: ah, that makes sense [16:17] (kinda) [16:18] i dont want to compile a new kernel, i have the wireless and everything working and dont want to change it [16:18] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [16:18] so no issues now. [16:18] sleepy time [16:18] spook: so now it works with the test_fs ? [16:21] screw that.. he hasnt made any changes to his -current install, so it is probably faster to just format and re-install [16:24] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-128-207.aei.ca) left irc: "Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de" [16:29] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.32.39.135) left irc: "Leaving" [16:35] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-62-150.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:38] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:46] yarvin (n=yarvin@wsip-98-190-221-99.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:50] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:50] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-424150.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:51] Action: CmdLnKid is very un-hype after finding out that Oracle took over Berkeley DB from Sleepycat [16:52] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428246.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[17:02] the environmental scripts [17:03] ah.. yes, users are supposed to set up their own .profile and .bashrc [17:03] budo, you just named them "so why did you have to ask" [17:03] oh you have to create your own , i see [17:03] /etc/profile has always been there [17:04] budo: i set it up like this: cd; echo "source /etc/profile" > .profile && ln -s .profile .bashrc [17:04] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [17:04] budo: but beware, that makes interactive shells behave just like login shells [17:05] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: "leaving" [17:05] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:05] lol on start of bash it reads /etc/profile so why would you source it from your own personal .profile twice [17:05] k [17:05] CmdLnKid: it reads /etc/profile if you dont have a .profile [17:07] right. so put your bash specifics into bash_profile instead and it will take in /etc/profile anyway [17:07] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.89.168) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:08] i need login shells and interactive shells to behave the same [17:10] hkothari (n=hkothari@c-66-30-79-125.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] ah, yes, i should just echo "source /etc/profile" > .bashrc directly [17:11] Action: macavity re-reads the invocation section of bash(1) [17:11] n0xus (n=m@c-67-182-208-26.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:12] CmdLnKid: thx for catching that one [17:12] does package L include anything i would need on a headless system [17:13] hkothari (n=hkothari@c-66-30-79-125.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [17:13] n0xus: Depends entirely on what your headless system does, but the short answers is "Yes; do a full install of the l series." [17:13] its only libraries needed by X and window managers, correct? [17:13] n0xus: No. [17:13] mmk [17:13] thanks [17:15] You can get by just picking and choosing packages from it, but it's much simpler to just do a full install and not worry about it. [17:15] n0xus: zlib, readline, popt, parted, mash, ncurses to just name a few you would probably *not* want to do without :P [17:16] macavity: Don't forget aalib! [17:16] i think /l should be split in to categories (its getting bloated in there) libraries for kde and libraries for gtk based apps, and keep /l for basic libraries that can run without any Xorg dependant apps [17:16] Alan_Hicks: lol :P [17:17] Pig_Pen: there are a lot of common stuff needed by both KDE and GTK.. so it would probably make more sense to just split it in two: X and nonX [17:17] yeah, that would do fine [17:17] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:17] l/ and lx/ [17:19] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [17:19] what is the sed/rexexp for "any number of characters"? [17:19] i noticed kde4 has a lot of dependencies that were not needed before when kde3 was happening, i will have to poke around in /1 and read the descriptions [17:19] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-248-226.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:20] sed s/:.// does not work as expected :P [17:20] macavity: * [17:20] macavity: What are you trying to do? [17:20] Alan_Hicks: cd /var/log/packages/; grep slackware\/l\/ * | sed s/:*// [17:21] to just get the packagenames [17:21] replace "some arbitrarily long string" with "some shorter string"? s/some.*string/some shorter string/ [17:21] Action: macavity has always had a regexp disability [17:22] i do that by grep ADD l/tagfile [17:22] Alan_Hicks: lol.. s/:.*// did it :P [17:22] grep 'slackware64/l' * | awk -F ':' '{ print $1}' [17:23] Much faster and more intuitive. [17:23] Alan_Hicks: for those who speak awk, yes :P [17:23] similar to cut -f 1 -d ':' [17:23] yes [17:23] But cut *blows* when processing large sets. [17:24] Alan_Hicks: is awk faster for that? [17:24] archimandrita (n=archiman@167.Red-79-157-121.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:24] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:24] heya Alan_Hicks [17:25] macavity: yes. Orders of magnitude when dealing with large numbers of long strings. [17:25] i have some pretty hefty scripts that use cut, grep and sed quite extensively on the entire /var/log/packages/ repository, and yes, they are dog slow [17:25] haldir: Howdy. [17:26] Alan_Hicks, I know you will appreciate this. I picked up a Springfield M1A NM last week [17:26] Good for you. [17:27] now i just have to recover from my injured hand to be able to get out with it [17:28] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:38] that didn't seem to work. :\ [17:41] alienBOB: are you about? question WRT the lvm doc [17:42] lagann_ (i=hex@c-71-233-168-122.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:42] lib (i=hex@c-24-62-143-154.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:42] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-62-143-154.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:43] hi [17:44] basictracks (n=peter@basictracks.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:44] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [17:45] basictracks (n=peter@basictracks.demon.nl) left ##slackware. [17:46] raw (n=ilove@p54872696.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:46] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:47] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:48] nthdegree, do you have any ideas that would help me figure this out? [17:48] thrice`: I am here, but potentially dangerous to your LVM because wasted [17:49] hkothari, two things, 1) are you using virtual hosts? 2) did you try adding the machine name to /etc/hosts? [17:49] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) joined ##slackware. [17:49] hkothari: always check the apache errorlog [17:49] brb [17:49] Virtual hosts only respond to a specific hostname, whatever one you chosen for the virtual host [17:50] hey, has anyone had much luck with that new java plugin? [17:50] Hm, "that" new java plugin? [17:50] which new java plugin? [17:50] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-62-143-154.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:50] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-62-143-154.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:50] yeah, the new generation java plugin [17:50] they put it in current [17:51] i just put the old one back since no sites work with it [17:51] I'm on current but not used it yet >_> [17:51] New generation? What are you talking about? [17:52] alienBOB, he might be on about OpenJDK or something [17:52] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-22-10.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:52] one sec, let me find it.. [17:52] hasn't been a major upgrade in java in a long time [17:53] well i'm on 6.x [17:53] n0xus (n=m@c-67-182-208-26.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:53] that is what is still in current too [17:53] yep and that's what i'm on [17:53] monstro (i=1000@201-68-36-119.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [17:53] i just use Sun's binary to get the latest java http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/?intcmp=1281 [17:53] There is no openjdk in -current [17:54] dtanner_ (n=dtanner@adsl-75-54-86-0.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] Then there is no "new generation" JRE/JDK [17:54] nope [17:54] you want jdk? then http://java.sun.com/ [17:54] next generation i meant [17:54] https://jdk6.dev.java.net/plugin2/ [17:54] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: No route to host [17:54] kejen: please give a URL of a site where java does not work. Also, what browser do yo uuse, and are you on slackware-current, 64bit of 32bit, or a Slackware fork? [17:54] NthDegree: I did add it to the hosts file, like so: 192.168.1.22 machinename and I am not using virtual hosts I believe, alienBOB, there's nothing significant in the error log as far as I can tell. [17:54] kejen, that's current! [17:54] toast10111 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] kejen, next-gen is 7!# [17:55] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:55] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.81.227) joined ##slackware. [17:55] Nick change: toast10111 -> toast10101 [17:55] 64-bit has no official Java Applet support on 5.x or 6.x to my knowledge [17:56] /usr/lib/java/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so [17:56] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [17:56] kejen, stop believing what Firefox describes it as! [17:57] Firefox describes it as "The next generation Java plug-in for Mozilla browsers." [17:57] it says on the java site too [17:57] NthDegree: as of jre-6u12 a 64bit plugin is available [17:57] did you read the link i gave you? [17:57] It's current-generation [17:57] kejen, it's nothing new and has been used for ages [17:57] alienBOB, sweet! ^^ [17:57] java works here with 64bit -current [17:57] kejen: please supply a URL with a non-functional java applet on it [17:58] twolf: anything past 6u12 will as alienBOB mentions. [17:58] I would know... I added it to slackware64 ;-) [17:59] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.90.135) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:59] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.187) left irc: [18:00] alienBOB, that could be why slackware64 rocks - though i've not used Java yet :P [18:00] yeah it rocks [18:00] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:00] the only thing it lacks thus far (imho) is Skype but that's not Slackware64's fault [18:00] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:00] alienBOB: heh, I had packages made for slamd64 the day 6u12 was out. :P [18:00] Still waiting for a page where the java plugin fails kejen... so I'll move on to other things [18:01] eviljames: slackware64 was still "project X" at that time [18:01] XandriX2 (n=xandrix@dsl-128-207.aei.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:01] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [18:01] TwinReverb, it is possible to have Skype without needing a ton of 32-bit libs - they have static builds too, but they only work with OSS sound system [18:01] nthdegree, i've done some careful messing around with the httpd.conf, and /etc/hosts and still nothing [18:01] alienBOB: indeed, I had invested a bit of effort into slamd64 by the time slackware64 came out. At least it wasn't wasted :D [18:01] NthDegree, hence it's not worth the trouble [18:01] hkothari, no ideas come to mind, sorry [18:01] nthdegree: thanks anyways [18:02] TwinReverb, well, you could use the userland OSS->ALSA wrapper [18:02] well, now i feel dumb. It's working. One day last week I couldn't get any java sites to work so looked in the plugin directory and libnpjp2 looked strange so erased it and linked to the one I have always used [18:02] TwinReverb, but it's a kludge and isn't what i'd call suitable for Slackware [18:03] Basically the java applet would try to load and only a tan block would appear and freeze/crash firefox [18:03] at least it is working now [18:04] NthDegree, you got that right [18:04] i'm searching for the "i want to test skype64" page [18:05] TwinReverb, the static builds are 32-bit and OSS only [18:05] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:05] but the slack kernel comes with 32-bit support and static means not having a ton of libs [18:05] kejan http://www.jigzone.com java jigsaw puzzles [18:05] I will make a package at some stage for it, not for any official use - just for people who want it [18:06] Action: NthDegree is totally against the idea of including poor-quality crap with Slackware [18:06] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [18:06] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488364.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:07] sattam (n=sattam@unaffiliated/sattam) joined ##slackware. [18:07] hkothari (n=hkothari@c-66-30-79-125.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:07] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [18:08] Pig_Pen: that site works, horrible at puzzles, but trying to figure this one out :) [18:09] alienBOB: lol, ok. I just found a useful addition, and curious what you thought. during the lvcreate stage, I wanted to make my home partition as "fill the rest of the space" [18:09] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-166-65.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [18:09] you can change how many pieces the puzzle has, from so simple a 4 year old can do it to complicated enough to last an adult hours [18:09] so, I appended 2G for swap, 10G for root, but wanted home to use the remaining. does that make sense, alienBOB ? [18:11] anyway, I ended up using "lvcreate -l +100%FREE myvg -n home" , and didn't know if that would be useful to others as an option if unsure of how much space is left [18:12] thrice`: I have nothing against that. But keep in mind that one of the things you may want to use LVM for, is to dynamically allocate some free space to a partition when that fills up to 100% . When all of the VG's are allocated you can not do that [18:12] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC025C8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:14] hkothari (n=hkothari@c-66-30-79-125.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:14] thrice`: I don't think the "+" is required though. Otherwise, a good addition to the README [18:14] hkothari: I hadn't been paying attention, what was the apache issue you were seeing? [18:14] I submitted an updated version to Pat but since he has not added that to -current yet one extra edit can not harm [18:15] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-166-65.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:15] eviljames: well, I'm not sure if it was an apache issue, but I'm able to access my server at 192.168.1.22 but i want to be able to also access it by it's machine name, and I can't figure out how to do that [18:16] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:16] hkothari: just so I'm clear on what we're talking about, Machine A = 192.168.1.22 (host) and Machine B = 192.168.1.x (client), or all local? [18:17] Ok guys. I really need y'all's help on this one. [18:17] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-128-207.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:17] I have *no* idea what to eat for supper. [18:17] eviljames: they're both local [18:17] hkothari: and going http://localhost/ has no effect? apache is not listening on 127.0.0.1? [18:17] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.56.93.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [18:17] oh, sorry [18:17] Alan_Hicks: Burritos. [18:18] the first part was right [18:18] eviljames: You tryin' to give me the trots? [18:18] eviljames: Machine A is 192.168.1.22 and the client is 192.168.1.3 [18:18] Alan_Hicks: stroganoff, not the hamburger helper stuff either [18:18] hkothari: so the client machine has an /etc/hosts entry for 192.168.1.22 and /etc/nsswitch.conf has hosts: dns files ? [18:18] Alan_Hicks: pizza, that's what I'm eating [18:19] strokinoff [18:19] eviljames: the client machine is just a windows machine that i'm testing the slackware server machine wit [18:19] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.56.93.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:19] with* [18:19] Alan_Hicks: Well, that's what I was going to eat tonight. There's always steaks. Find some Grade A Alberta Beef [18:20] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.56.93.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [18:20] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:21] hkothari: On windows machines C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc there is a file named hosts [18:21] Lotta help you guys are. :^P [18:21] hkothari: The windows client will not know the hostname for the host unless you are running a local name service or edit that hosts file. [18:22] Alan_Hicks: Steaks isn't a great idea? Porter House rare! [18:22] Had steak for lunch. [18:22] eviljames: oh, so I add it to that hosts file? [18:22] Good man. [18:23] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Connection timed out [18:23] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:23] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:23] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:23] hkothari: yep, an entry like 192.168.1.22 host.local.net host [18:23] grilled ribeye is tasty [18:24] Alan_Hicks: So, how about Chicken Soboro Donburi? [18:24] Action: eviljames drools now I want that... [18:24] eviljames: now, one more question, I installed slackminiserver on this once, and it seemed to automatically allow me to access the server just by using http://machinename/ is there a reason for this? [18:24] eviljames: on this computer once* [18:25] hkothari: No reason that I could spontaneously guess, in any case. [18:25] hmm, that's most unusual [18:26] alienBOB: neat :) [18:27] hkothari (n=hkothari@c-66-30-79-125.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [18:27] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [18:28] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:28] ok, 8 min average puzzle took me 17 min. I blame the java plugin!!! [18:28] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [18:29] clock timer wasn't setup right [18:31] yep, I blame the timer too. [18:32] hey all [18:33] dont look at the timer, just do it for fun [18:33] my gf says that to me all the time :( [18:34] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.56.93.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:34] seen a good one on textsfromlastnight: (703): the guy in front of me just bought a pound of bacon, a bouquet, and a case of budlight, i want to see THAT makeup sex [18:34] http://www.ling.su.se/STAFF/ericsdotter/projects/bothred.gif [18:35] that's wild [18:35] eviljames: I just accidently killed my "x/" dir :( ; do you still have that mesa build by chance? [18:35] yep. [18:35] thrice`: This one : http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/fvCToM56.html ? [18:35] that's it :) thanks [18:35] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:36] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl8-109-251.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [18:37] sattam (n=sattam@unaffiliated/sattam) left ##slackware. [18:38] antiwire: what am i looking at? [18:39] it's a gif of a human in such a way that you can see the skull and soft tissue outlines during a swallow [18:39] antiwire: besides the obvious that it is an infrared scan [18:39] john_dee (n=id@89.179.28.177) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [18:39] that's not only infared [18:40] you wouldn't be able to see the bone structures with only infared [18:40] It's interesting to see just how much soft tissue actaully covers the face [18:40] its probably a composite of xray and infrared [18:40] actually [18:40] ok [18:40] antiwire: So that's what it looks like when she swallows, eh? [18:40] Action: eviljames has only seen it from a different angle... [18:41] lol [18:41] :P [18:42] look how much soft tissue makes up the nose and nasal passages [18:42] That tissue isn't very stretchy. [18:42] when you poke at your own face it sure doesn't seem like it's all that tick [18:42] thick* [18:43] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:43] lots of cartilage all across the face then probably,, you think that's why it feels like less softness? [18:44] Baconizer (n=Baconize@17-173-223-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [18:46] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.187.146) joined ##slackware. [18:47] yarvin (n=yarvin@static-71-166-162-195.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:48] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428246.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:48] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@81.193.100.29) joined ##slackware. [18:49] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "goodbye" [18:51] so i know there is no perfect laptop for Linux, but if money was no object and you could by any brand laptop what would the slack/linux on a laptop buy [18:51] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-170-214-26.range86-170.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:53] I would go with a dell latitude series [18:53] powtrix__ (n=powtrix@189-69-30-220.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:53] my current latitude has the nvidia graphics option and the laptop works 100% [18:53] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [18:53] everything works [18:53] even the smartcard reader and finger printer reader is supported and I have tested it to work [18:54] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.75.12) joined ##slackware. [18:54] i can even flash the bios form within linux [18:54] from* [18:54] Pig_Pen: my HP DV6000 series (1 yr old) works flawlessly. [18:54] Pig_Pen: Wifi, bluetooth, finger print reader, the works. [18:54] Dell Latitude, ok, i will check em out, and HP DV6000, [18:55] yep [18:55] what about thinkpad? [18:55] thinkpad has good support too [18:55] they are a ripoff, but work good [18:55] Mine's a 6729ca (english & french version for Canada) but I'm sure there are very close models for everywhere. [18:55] thinkpads and latitudes can even warm swap cd/dvd drives and hard disk modules wihtout reboots [18:55] thinkwiki <- has all sorts of tips for various thinkpads [18:55] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: "Leaving" [18:56] eviljames, I found your picture on internet [18:56] hi hi [18:56] fredoslack: While browsing for porn again? I'm pretty famous. [18:56] fredoslack: They call me long dong silver. [18:56] >> http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Transports/0086.gif [18:56] hi hi [18:57] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:57] gabriel_1 (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] haha wtf. That truck better explode or something! [18:57] looool [18:57] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [18:58] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [18:59] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-21-190.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:01] other_rafa (i=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left irc: "Leaving" [19:03] beatzz (n=beatzz@97-115-187-147.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:03] man, seems like all the thinkpads are coming with intel except the high end ones can get ati [19:04] So? Up until the last 2 weeks, the intel drivers were the ones that worked the best imho. [19:04] what do you add to your Xorg.conf to get your mouse wheele running again? [19:04] And 2 weeks from now they'll probably go back to being the best functioning drivers available. [19:04] haven't had much experience with the new intel chipsets, but do have a box with 865G and has been nothing but pain [19:05] nevermind, i found it [19:05] kejen: I'm feeling that pain atm :P [19:07] wow im sleepy [19:07] eviljames, tell your sister to put me to sleep with one of her awesome services [19:07] jeev: Blowing your boyfriend for hours on end gets tiring eh? [19:07] what services? [19:07] her blowing services [19:07] eviljames got it [19:07] it got his sister all tired last night [19:07] i want more [19:07] oh, I see you hit a copy/pasted a sister joke before I finished typing my retort. [19:07] moar [19:08] eviljames, my 150 wpm > your 20wpm [19:08] i would prefer nvidia first, its a toss up with ati & intel graphics i seen people have problems with both, but i can deal with nvidia problems [19:08] Pig_Pen: Dealing with nvidia problems = "wait for NVidia to release a new driver because you can't tweak it on your own." [19:08] took me a long ass time to install this [19:08] http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc_2screenshots.html [19:08] with debian and lvm raid1 [19:08] Which is OK because NV are pretty good about putting out solid, high performance drivers... but not ideal imho. [19:09] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.81.227) left irc: "Leaving." [19:11] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [19:12] theres not much you can do with xorg's drivers if there is a problem too, i am not a code monkey when it comes to tweaking source code, i have modified some code a little but i am a lost puppy when it comes to 99.9% of source code [19:12] use the force , Pig_Pen :> [19:13] raw (n=ilove@p54873209.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:13] lets see, i edited the cflags in a Makefile, and changed come color settings in colors.h in midnight commander because that blue backgound annoyed the heck out of me [19:13] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:14] eviljames, continue later? i've gotta go [19:14] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [19:14] jeev: haha you'll continue to blow me later? I don't like interruptions you know. [19:14] jeev: how did your xenning go btw? [19:14] ok deal [19:14] terrible [19:14] worked with slackware, non raid [19:15] :/ Not good. [19:15] non raid 1 md0.. [19:15] so i used debian, raid 1 lvm [19:15] http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc_2screenshots.html [19:15] and i put that [19:15] that kernel was ready, mine wasn't working with me [19:15] http://www.imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=656 [19:15] if you care to look [19:16] lib (i=hex@c-24-61-204-238.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] md scan wasn't finding the raid drive, even though 9,0 is md0 [19:16] i had ext3 and everything, still wouldn't work [19:16] bbl [19:16] k [19:18] m (n=m@c-67-182-208-26.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:18] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.12.209) joined ##slackware. [19:19] hmm.. netstat -ta shows this sshd is running on this host, but nmap and ssh from another machine show it's not running. any ideas [19:20] no anyone idea sorry -_- [19:20] m: could be the interface that sshd is listening on [19:20] router blocking? iptables? [19:21] There we go, now you have 3 paths to investigate! [19:21] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:22] bye the room :) [19:22] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-166-65.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [19:24] ClaudioM_ (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:25] raw__ (n=ilove@p5487776A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:25] Anyone ever used mySQL workbench? [19:26] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-66-253.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:27] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: "Leaving" [19:28] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:28] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [19:31] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [19:31] hiptobecubic: I do:) [19:31] thumbs, figures :) [19:31] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [19:32] I should kick that furnaboy character [19:32] [D]an (i=Dan@Luke.IPv6.1986.ro) left irc: Read error: 61 (Connection refused) [19:32] And that slackboy character. What a putz. [19:32] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:33] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-62-143-154.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Success [19:33] [D]an (i=Dan@Luke.IPv6.1986.ro) joined ##slackware. [19:33] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.112.54) joined ##slackware. [19:35] beatzz (n=beatzz@97-115-187-147.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:39] lib (i=hex@c-24-61-204-238.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:39] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-61-204-238.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] loonies (n=loonies@84.41.53.235) joined ##slackware. [19:41] Alan_Hicks: damn you to hell, you made me hungry again. [19:43] eviljames, omg off topic! 8-P [19:43] Action: TwinReverb passes out fliers that say ##slackofftopic on them [19:44] let's roll a joint [19:44] Action: eviljames rolls a joint [19:44] ejm (n=ezra@75-174-100-208.bois.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:44] now I'm hungrier yet! [19:44] eviljames: ah, we speak the same language [19:44] loonies (n=loonies@84.41.53.235) left ##slackware. [19:44] Action: TwinReverb rolls loops -funroll-loop [19:44] Whatever happened to the funroll loop site? [19:45] Action: gnubien emails eviljames a ham samwich [19:45] ahhh funroll-loops.info [19:45] eviljames: I know [19:45] thumbs: ./configure --omg-optimized [19:45] why doesn't slack use that flag?! [19:45] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173.5.71.83) joined ##slackware. [19:47] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173.5.71.83) left irc: Client Quit [19:48] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:48] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [19:48] gnubien: 520 FOOD NOT BINARY [19:51] why do people use qmake [19:51] probably because they're developing with QT [19:52] and you can't call gcc from make with QT? [19:52] I guess I don't really see what it does [19:52] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:53] hiptobecubic: QT project files -> source for example3. [19:53] I think, anyhow. I don't particularly use qmake for anything other than being called by other scripts. [19:54] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:55] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [19:56] eviljames: what? =P [19:56] "< eviljames> Camarade_Tux: May you search for your children with a geiger counter" [19:56] Camarade_Tux: ie: may your family be hit by a nuclear bomb. [19:56] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [19:56] ie isn't the right thing to put there. but otherwise it comes off MUCH too blunt :P [19:57] holdmypocket (n=choward@vpn.cusonet.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:57] That's not really funny when I have to explain it though. [19:57] stig (n=stig@cpc1-tref2-0-0-cust780.cdif.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:57] correction: Qt is a C++ framework and QT is teh devils invention of a media format [19:57] eviljames: sounded "comme un cheveu sur la soupe" :D [19:57] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.12.209) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:58] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [19:58] hey all im back .. yes a dvd question but diffrent now [19:58] hey all .. im trying to get a 7.95gig video to 4.8gigs .. is this possible .. if so how ? [19:58] Camarade_Tux: vous utilizer mes poils pubiens pour dentifrice! [19:58] macman_: it's possible, but at a loss of quality [19:59] an almost 8 gig ISO? sounds like a blueray or HD.DVD [19:59] RipVanWinkle: Commercial dual-layer DVDs are 8gigs [19:59] RipVanWinkle, or Dual-Layer isn't it? [19:59] macman_: k9copy i think it's called. [19:59] macman_: or tovid will do as well. [19:59] what is it macman_ ? data? movie? [19:59] macman_: Alternatively, dual-layer burners are down to $50 or so these days, and discs are cheap too. [19:59] macman_: For a single-layer DVD, you will need to compress it in a way that loses quality [19:59] sQuEE (n=narya@host20.201-252-18.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "fnord!!" [20:00] it's a double sided, double density floppy! [20:00] quasar, 1.44MB :D [20:00] howdee howdees :D ok, 12.2, stock kernel, nvidia proprietary driver. plasma hooked up via dvi-hdmi. problem: can't get 1366x768. tried getting xorg.conf to use the edid.bin that nvidia-settings generated for me, but no luck. tried adding mode 1366x768 to xorg.conf, but still nothing. at present, res for plasma is 1280x720. anyone in the house with relevant experience? [20:00] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:00] dosne't matter i can live with compressing it low [20:00] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [20:00] macman_: http://k9copy.sourceforge.net/ [20:00] macman_: Don't make me bust out lmgtfy! [20:01] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [20:01] stig (n=stig@cpc1-tref2-0-0-cust780.cdif.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [20:01] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.112.54) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:02] eviljames: err, I'd be happy to do so, mind sending me some? [20:02] hahHAAHAHAHA [20:02] Camarade_Tux: <3 brilliant answer. Someone will go plug what I said to you into google translate and be very confused. [20:02] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@81.193.100.29) left irc: "Leaving" [20:03] wow what a weird res: 1440x480 [20:04] eviljames ? [20:04] Guys, if I untar a bunch of packages using tar, I should end up with the usr/ var/ etc.inside the directory I untarred in right? [20:04] anyhow, j'allez a ma maison. [20:04] je vais llaer? [20:04] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:04] eviljames didn't know k9copy can compress like that .. i normally use it to burn isos etc .. [20:04] macman_: yup. handy dandy little thing. [20:04] its a video dvd not data [20:04] Action: NthDegree just wants to make sure the norm for slackware pkgs is ./usr and not /usr [20:05] NthDegree, if it needs to place files in those locations, then yes [20:05] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [20:05] ok let me reboot into linux [20:05] eviljames: hehe :P I'm waiting for someone to do that ;p [20:05] one sec [20:05] but why are you untarring packages that way>? [20:05] TwinReverb, to make a 32-bit chroot [20:05] on 64 bit? [20:05] so it is a movie/video [20:05] NthDegree: explodepkg will help you with that. [20:05] But a 32 bit chroot won't really do you any good :P [20:06] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: [20:06] k, srsly dudez, leavin. bbl [20:06] eviljames: s/j'allez/j'allais/ (I was going home when ...) or s/j'allez/j'allais aller/ (I was about to go back home) [20:06] Camarade_Tux: merci :D [20:06] in other words SOD OFF! :P [20:06] morning all btw [20:06] yeah, the past tense can be a bitch [20:07] even worse in Spanis [20:07] TwinReverb, yeah. It's only for the purposes of some very annoying apps that use x86-specific assembly (e.g. Gens) [20:07] you might want to crop the credits off the front and back to save a little space [20:07] thumbs, the past is a bitch and the future ain't looking too good either [20:07] TwinReverb: heh [20:07] :D [20:08] m (n=m@c-67-182-208-26.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:08] I know this sounds lame, but should I download hackers tonight? :$ [20:09] (The film, it's sooooo good I love it!) [20:09] it's probably infected 8-) [20:09] ewww Hackers [20:09] j/k [20:09] would be awesome irony, the movie has a virus implanted in it 8-) [20:09] teehee [20:09] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-9-16-6.manc.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:09] You should buy Hackers not download it illegally! [20:10] heh wasn't NthDegree the name of a star trek tng episode? :P [20:10] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-9-16-6.manc.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] superGear, I have it on VHS somewhere recorded off the TV [20:10] Baconizer (n=Baconize@17-173-223-66.gci.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:10] and I pay my TV Licence to be allowed to record anything from the BBC XD [20:11] http://opensource.arc.nasa.gov/project/world-wind/ <- should be more powerful than google earth :) [20:11] (so long as I don't redistribute) [20:11] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:11] you have to have a license to record stuff to VHS in Britain? [20:11] from http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/open-space btw [20:12] superGear, off of the BBC channels yes - because you have to pay a licence fee for their channels to show :P [20:13] essentially if you can receive any TV and have a TV that is receiving a signal then you need to pay a TV licence, that is used to pay for the BBC channels [20:13] and so long as you record for personal consumption you're fine to keep recordings of BBC shows [20:14] even if they are movies the BBC has shown on their channels, provided you don't redistribute [20:14] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:15] There has been no copyright claim against someone for recording to VHS for personal use anything shown via the BBC in the UK (even if they keep it) [20:15] that constitutes fair use [20:16] NthDegree, erm actually it used to be that just owning equipment that could recieve a TV signal was enough to need a license, whether you use it for that or not. [20:16] macavity, not quite - for commercial cable/satellite channels you get the right to record for the purpose of viewing once [20:16] time to go to bed, night everyone :) [20:17] nn [20:17] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] dive, yeah but they've had to make exceptions - e.g. games console owners who've deliberately made the RF connector defunct [20:18] macman_ (n=tester-u@adsl-75-5-245-19.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] NthDegree: that is what they claim, but the Berne convention states otherwise.. at least here in the EU the Berne convention takes precedence in the court or law [20:19] nice ^_^ [20:21] NthDegree: you wont belive how much crap they try to force onto you under the guise of copyright [20:21] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:21] i am against them intruding on my free will, but i can see why they want to make sure people aren't making illegal copies of stuff [20:21] that stuff goes on a LOT [20:21] NthDegree: forinstance, disassembling software IS allowed, no matter what they say in the EULA (at least if you live in the EU) [20:21] eviljames: you there .. ok im back in linux [20:22] have you ever used k9copy to actually compress an iso .. or do what im trying to do [20:22] IronManBR (n=iron@unaffiliated/ironmanbr) joined ##slackware. [20:22] macavity, really? O_o [20:22] That technically makes the whole world open source if you know assembly language [20:22] no [20:23] you cant redistribute it [20:23] yes, but you can modify it for personal use to your hearts content [20:23] have you ever seen dis assembled code? [20:23] yeah I have, and it's unreadable >_> [20:24] macman_: what format is that file, you might want to tweak it a little with avidemux before burning it [20:24] you dont get pretty little descriptive names like "number_of_itterations", and you dont get things neatly alligned as function calls [20:24] twolf_ (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [20:24] so in short, dis assembly is the last resort that you only do for small segments of code [20:24] RipVanWinkle: its an iso already [20:24] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:25] Nick change: twolf_ -> twolf [20:25] You get the equivalent of strace, but with no nice system call names >_> [20:25] eg, if you need to figure out how a propietary hashing algorithm works [20:25] IronManBR (n=iron@unaffiliated/ironmanbr) left ##slackware. [20:25] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-25-251.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:25] if i had a large video file and wanted to squeeze down small enough to fit on a DVD i would first see if the intro at the front & credits at the end was too long and chop them off before compressing it [20:27] macavity, I wonder how the SEGA game modders do so well on the ROMs they produce... [20:27] they have to go entirely by disassembling and hex editing [20:28] m68k is rather easy compared to x86.. and the compilers available back then didnt do much in terms of code optimization [20:28] that makes everything a lot easier, because the compiler doesnt inline functions at random etc [20:29] ah, so you get more of what the original developer intended rather than what the compiler intended.. [20:29] so you have an exectable where the main function is a lot of control statements followed by jmp instructions [20:30] so every time you see a jmp $SOME_ADDRESS you just go there.. the function call stops when you see a stack pop [20:30] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "goodbye" [20:30] anyone tried to compile the slackware64-current iso with mkisofs 2.01.01a57 ? [20:31] ls: cannot access /var/log/packages/mkisofs*: No such file or directory [20:31] especially, anyone had encountered issue with these versions [20:31] TwinReverb, cdrtools? isn't it? [20:31] /var/log/packages/cdrtools-2.01.01a57-i486-2 [20:31] and as far as i know, my ISOs are made with it [20:31] i ripped my own [20:32] the instructions are in isolinux/ [20:32] macavity, so in other words, because the architecture has less legacy cruft, there's less to remember? [20:32] yep but i fail ;) [20:33] powtrix__ (n=powtrix@189-69-30-220.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [20:33] read the commands in isolinux/ [20:33] and because the compiler hasn't removed/added inlining for performance, and omitted pointers etc. [20:33] go to sleep :o [20:34] Action: mohaa steals macavity's watch and goes to bed ^^ [20:34] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.43.111) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:35] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [20:35] i got a "mkisofs: Missing pathspec." [20:36] Emeau, how did you run the command? [20:36] and where were you? [20:37] in root in slackware64-current/ [20:37] (retrieved from a mirror) [20:38] typing exactly same command as in slackware64-current/isolinux/README.TXT [20:38] (first command) [20:39] including the dot at the very end? [20:39] nop [20:39] powtrix__ (n=powtrix@189-69-26-241.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:39] erf... [20:40] works better with the full command... [20:40] thanks, i'll be more carefull next times... [20:40] no problem [20:41] xD [20:41] i think you have to be down a directory to run it [20:41] i.e. not IN isolinux/ but the tree below that, where you can SEE isolinux/ [20:42] yep [20:43] i was in the main directory of the wanted version [20:47] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-25-251.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [20:50] NthDegree: both yes and no.. the instruction set itself is simpler, which in general means less posibility for compiler optimizations.. and that coupled with older and less sophisticated compilers gives something that, to the right kind of wizard, constitutes "somewhat readable" [20:51] TwinReverb: s/below/above/ [20:53] paissad-hp (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:04] |ast| (n=lilo78@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: "leaving" [21:05] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:09] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173.4.152.23) joined ##slackware. [21:10] flame_me (n=flame_me@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:10] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@hbge-216-37-227-223.dsl.hbge.epix.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:10] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:11] what is fuse (filesystem in userspace library)? [21:11] does it need to be enabled to certain apps to work correctly? [21:11] for certain, sorry [21:13] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [21:13] hello happy people [21:14] flame_me, www.google.com [21:14] Hello. My HDD came in the mail today. Tonight is the night I plan to execute instructions form this room and DD my current HDD to a new, identical one via enclosure kit and Puppy_Linux USB. So here at home I have both a USB 2.0 20 SATA/IDE converter cable and (as an alternative) a CompUSA 2.5" USB 2.0 Aluminum External Enclosure. Either one I plug in is not recognized, although the light is on and disk is spinning. So my question: is it a driver [21:14] issue, and if so what do I do? [21:14] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:15] (I thank you embarrassingly in advance for your help with this) [21:16] DenNOLA, what does ls /dev/sd* return? also what does lsusb return? [21:17] One sec and I'll tell you. [21:17] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [21:18] AnonymousRednek, http://pastebin.ca/1506495 [21:20] DenNOLA, you're right, it isn't recognized...have you tried plugging it into another usb port? [21:20] AnonymousRednek, well right now it isn't because it isn't plugged in. Should I reconnect and paste the result of those commands again? [21:20] yes [21:21] Ok, will do as fast as I can. One sec. [21:21] reconnect and paste the results of 1. lsusb and 2. ls /dev/sd* [21:21] Baconizer (n=Baconize@17-173-223-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [21:21] Action: Baconizer has decided to install Slackware :D [21:22] \o/ [21:22] I had tried installing it at ~12.0 [21:22] Baconizer: do you need to be pointed to the documentation, or have you read the topic by now? ;-) [21:22] The bootloader didn't work [21:23] Oh ... err ... torrent ... [21:23] Hrmm ... [21:23] >_> [21:23] macavity: :< [21:23] Well anyways [21:23] Baconizer: you cant download the ISOs from ftp.slackware.no [21:23] Hopefully 12.2 will have fixed whatever was wrong [21:23] install lilo to MBR [21:24] macavity: it's ~76% done from a Utah mirror [21:24] good [21:24] Should be able to install it in about an hour [21:24] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:25] is there something unusual about your hard disk layout? [21:25] s/something/anything/ [21:25] Not that I know of [21:25] It's a laptop, though [21:26] do you expect to be able to dual boot? [21:26] AnonymousRednek, ok, so it does see it. I think. http://pastebin.ca/1506499 [21:27] flame_me: generally you just need to load the kernel module for it to work [21:27] macavity: nope, completely Slackware [21:28] DenNOLA, yeah, i'll assume it to be sdb [21:28] flame_me: and yes, if you expect to be able to mount ntfs volumes with write support, you need fuse [21:29] Baconizer: cool.. i suggest you make a 10GB / partition, a swap the size of your RAM (if you want to supsend-to-disk), and the rest for /home [21:29] Baconizer: only mark / as bootable, and install lilo to MBR [21:29] yarvin (n=yarvin@static-71-166-162-195.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:29] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:29] AnonymousRednek, a couple more questions and I get to do something I'm pretty psyched about. 1) if it is there, why doesn't it show when I use Konsole and navigate to storage media? (or should I just not worry about it?) [21:30] AnonymousRednek: doesnt dmesg say where the disk went? [21:30] DenNOLA, it appears un-initialized [21:30] macavity, it should... [21:30] macavity: okay [21:30] macavity, it appears that his hd shows up as one that hasn't yet been partitioned [21:31] macavity: most of the other distributions I've used have been pretty much pre-configuring, like Fedora or Ubuntu [21:31] I used Arch, but pacman is incredibly slow [21:31] Baconizer: ok, then you are about to learn a thing or two :P [21:31] That's the point :D [21:33] DenNOLA: pastebin dmesg | tail -n50 [21:33] AnonymousRednek, yes, it is a fresh-out-the-box hdd which agentc0re told me last night I did not need to format prior to doing a dd wherein the input file is my existing HDD (sda) and my output file is the new HDD (sdb). Is this correct, because I'm about to do the damn thing. [21:33] Oop. Ok, will do. [21:34] wow [21:34] http://pastebin.ca/1506502 [21:34] you don't need to format [21:34] no no no... let us be absolutely clear that what you suggest only works if those two disks are *identical* [21:34] They are identical. [21:35] ok, then it should work [21:35] I considered geoometry differences when listening to dd vs cpio in here two nighs ago. [21:35] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] DenNOLA, agentc0re told you right [21:35] dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=10M or something like that [21:36] DenNOLA, what macavity said [21:36] AnonymousRednek, I hope I didn't insinuate I doubted him. His advice has been solid. Jus making sure my interpretation isn't skewed. Kinda hate to bork my system. [21:36] DenNOLA: just to make sure nothing fucks up: hal-disable-polling --device /dev/sdb [21:37] DenNOLA, you didn't insinuate it, i'm just affirming the solidity of his advice [21:37] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-77-115.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:37] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-68-136.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:37] DenNOLA: then when we are done you can enable it again.. we just dont want HAL to attempt to freaking mount the thing as soon as it sees the partition table [21:37] DenNOLA, again, what macavity said [21:38] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:38] DenNOLA: naturally you are supposed to stop HAL from polling *before* you dd it ;-) [21:39] DenNOLA: you re-inable it with hal-disable-polling --enable-polling /dev/sdb (yes, that command looks fucked up to me too) [21:40] I'm sitting here re-re-re-rereading what you both have typed. One sec. [21:43] this works because you read the raw disk, and thus you dont get memory based filesystems like /proc and /sys (which is the entire point) [21:43] just be prepared that it probably takes some time... [21:44] yes, I'm slowly getting that. Ok, I don't want to belabor this but to be sure I have it right I would like to type out the steps I plan to take and pastebin them. You look and say either yes or no. Is that cool? [21:44] you can see the progress like this: [21:45] dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=10M& pid=$! [21:45] watch -n5 "kill -USR1 $pid" [21:46] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.1.153) joined ##slackware. [21:46] Are there any Slackware incompatibility issues with Acer Aspire 4720z? [21:46] BringingSexyBack (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [21:46] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:46] macavity, is that all one line? [21:46] Baconizer: slackware uses vanilla kernel sources.. so if all the devices in it are supported by the mainline kernel, it will work with slackware too [21:46] DenNOLA: nope, two [21:47] k [21:47] DenNOLA: the first line will background [21:47] I didn't know if they fiddled and broke stuff :P [21:47] Thanks macavity [21:47] ClaudioM_ (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:48] Ok. Another huge question. When I boot the Puppy USB I am almost certain the USB is called sdb....or am I mistaken? (Don't wanna dd my HDD to a 2G USB and lose Puppy in the process) [21:48] Baconizer: Slackware generally tries to run as much as possible the way upstream intended it [21:48] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:48] ok [21:48] DenNOLA: from the dmesg you posted to me, the disk that is in this very moment called sdb is a 80GB drive with no partitions on it [21:49] DenNOLA: are you booted from USB now? [21:49] macavity, no. But I will gladly put Slack to bed and ride in here on the Puppy if you like. [21:49] no need [21:50] Ok. [21:50] but if you want to be sure, just dont insert the USB pen :P [21:50] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [21:50] but generally the disks show up in the order they are recognized [21:51] so if you stick the USB thing in now it will probably become sdc [21:51] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [21:52] AH. See, and see that was my point. I didn't want to be so literal about following orders that I typed sdb when in fact the order in which I introduced these to the system actually made my USB sdb and my second HDD sdc. [21:52] So basically, question answerd. [21:53] again, the dmesg output you gave me says that sdb is the 80GB [21:54] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] 156301488 512-byte hardware sectors (80026 MB) [21:55] DenNOLA: "introdoced these to the system" is not the same as "the order in which they are recognized" [21:55] ecryptfs (n=slak@unaffiliated/slak) left irc: "The person who reads too much and uses his brain too little will fall into lazy habits of thinking." [21:56] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: ":)" [21:56] macavity, I realized that amoment ago. So really typing dmesg | tail -n50 into the terminal once in puppy will answer my question as to what is what, presuming of course that sda is my original HDD. [21:57] now you managed to confuse me :P [21:57] i thought you were in slackware talking to me? [21:57] I am. [21:58] I'm thinking ahead. [21:58] and at this very moment sda is / and sdb is the new HDD [21:58] err.. sda is the first disk [21:59] (i obviously dont know how you partitioned sda) [21:59] right. Let me take this forward. So I get outta slack, boot the pup USB. I identify the enclosed HDD (let's call it sdc). I make double-sure they are unmounted, then I open a terminal and type: [22:00] dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=10 [22:00] Oop. [22:00] no [22:01] first I stop the polling. [22:01] a) you can do this on a live system (yes, i am certain) and b) you want to do 10M and not 10 (unless you are prepared to wait for eons) [22:02] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-68-136.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:02] that is, you dont need to boot the USB thingie [22:02] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-1-107.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:02] REALLY? [22:02] Huh. [22:02] yes.. you are reading the raw device [22:02] so you dont get all the memory based filesystems like /proc and /sys [22:03] you are reading the raw block layer :P [22:03] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.55.71) joined ##slackware. [22:04] just dont do anything while dd runs (except making idle chatter on IRC) [22:04] I just cocked my head like a dog hearing an ultrasonic whistle. Ok, so you are really telling me that I can, right frekken now, go to my other desktop where the root terminal is open and a) type in your command to stop hal polling and then b) enter the dd command? That is exactly what you are saying? [22:04] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [22:05] that is what i am saying [22:05] just dont start new apps or do anything that otherwise causes disk writes while you do it [22:05] Ok. So for instance, close out FF. [22:06] i would exit X [22:06] i have to go for 5 minutes.. bb soon [22:07] Action: macavity runs to the kiosk before it closes [22:07] Ok. Thanks a ton. 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[22:17] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.1.153) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:18] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:21] StevenR_ (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:23] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-1-107.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:23] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-3-247.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] back [22:25] beck [22:26] Oh, hey. Was just reeeeeeeeaallly making sure I've got the plan down. Since I haven't gotten around to learning the console-based irc trick I'm gonna be out for a bit dding away. [22:27] DenNOLA: irssi -c irc.freenode.org ;-) [22:27] That's it? [22:27] hang on [22:28] i need to unpulg this cable and fetch another [22:28] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] brb [22:28] macavity (n=macavity@port1118.ds1-abc.adsl.cybercity.dk) left irc: "leaving" [22:28] k [22:29] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.161.88) joined ##slackware. [22:29] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488364.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [22:30] hkothari (n=hkothari@c-66-30-79-125.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:30] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [22:30] hey can anyone tell me where the default httpd pid file is in slackware, I'm trying to configure webmni [22:30] webmin* [22:30] macavity (n=macavity@port1118.ds1-abc.adsl.cybercity.dk) joined ##slackware. [22:30] okies [22:31] hkothari: you're asking the wron questiob. [22:31] now i can do suport and watch teh moviez at teh same timez! [22:31] hkothari: however, read this: [22:31] hkothari: http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DistrosDefaultLayout [22:33] thumbs: thanks, but I don't understand how that helps me, sorry [22:33] thumbs [22:33] jeev [22:33] "wut r u dng" [22:34] jeev: supporint msyql [22:34] arg [22:34] supporting mysql [22:34] thumbs, you php it up too ? [22:34] only recently [22:34] hmm [22:34] what's your rate [22:34] I didn't dare touch php before. [22:34] I have no time - therefore, my rate is not in question [22:35] hh [22:35] i need a sick designer, php, sql guy [22:35] at day laborer pricing [22:36] sadly, I get 20 offer like those, every day [22:36] i mean $10/day [22:36] ... no. [22:36] damn [22:36] look at these programmers with attitudes [22:37] i started this programming shit, and this is the motherfuckin thanks i get ? [22:37] i feel sad that i installed debian. [22:37] jeev: no one has time. [22:37] jeev: you will get a similar response from most profesionnals. [22:37] professional heh [22:38] n350k (n=malandri@200.92.64.7) left irc: "Saliendo" [22:38] anyway [22:38] i installed debian 5.0.2 so i could use xen through raid 1 [22:38] i couldn't handle it with slack :/ [22:38] hkothari (n=hkothari@c-66-30-79-125.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [22:38] jeev: you don't know me - I don't know you - I have my own customers - no jugedment requirement [22:38] required too [22:39] no thumbs, i dont doubt it [22:39] you probably have a good clientel base [22:39] i was just fixing your typo [22:40] yes, it's friday night, and I had muchos bavarias [22:40] i'm farting death and i just came to the office [22:40] i had a really good turkey burger [22:40] hba (n=hba@189.188.154.203) joined ##slackware. [22:41] i'm gonna kill time here till my girlfriend gets home [22:41] macavity still there? [22:42] yes [22:42] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.161.88) left irc: "leaving" [22:42] fracasaurio (n=root@pc-189-207-86-200.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [22:42] fracasaurio (n=root@pc-189-207-86-200.cm.vtr.net) left ##slackware. [22:42] macavity http://pastebin.ca/1506541 [22:43] <_alisonken1churc> the only problem is copying /sys and /proc from a live system [22:43] <_alisonken1churc> your best bet is to boot from cd before doing the dd stuff [22:43] i should start using putty [22:43] securecrt sucks [22:44] DenNOLA: those should be doubbledashes: -- not - [22:44] DenNOLA: i cant see if that is what you did.. my screen font is a little odd with that [22:44] <_alisonken1churc> looks like a single to me [22:44] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:45] DenNOLA: and no you do not repeat the dd command! [22:45] DenNOLA: either you do the "& pid=$!" ending in the first go, or you obtain the pid of dd by some other mean [22:45] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-62-150.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] ahhhhhhh [22:46] DenNOLA: $! always contains the pid of the last executed program [22:46] Ok, so then when I want to see it I type the "watch....." line? [22:46] yes [22:46] you are missing the closing " though [22:47] but yes, that is about it.. i will start watching the movie now [22:47] Ok. Thanks man. [22:48] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: No route to host [22:48] donate $5 to the slackware project on store.slackware.com to show your gratitude ;-) [22:53] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:55] macavity, done. I have no problem supporting a system or a community with such integrity. Ok, off to see how it goes. [22:55] (just donated $5) :-) See you guys soon. [22:56] nice! you just earned yourself a ton of goodwill and patience from me! [22:56] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-3-247.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:57] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-7-235.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:57] BringingSexyBack (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [22:57] :-) I might add that I have a Slackware teeshirt and a huge decal on my car (made at my sign shop). Now I just have to learn the system. Ok...off I go. [22:57] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173.4.152.23) left irc: "Leaving" [22:58] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [23:04] well dennola earns my infinite patience as well. [23:05] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] well damn :) [23:06] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.43.111) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:06] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [23:07] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [23:08] and thus macavity founded the slackware bronze support contract for slackware ;) [23:08] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:08] BP{k}: watch and learn :-P [23:08] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [23:09] BP{k}: nah, he just got founded the "pay for what we like and the community won't flame you out of existance" level i think... [23:09] It's not a good level, but it's a start [23:10] i actually found him rather bright for a newbee [23:10] Anyone who makes a slackware sign to attach to their car shows clear signs of intelligence. [23:10] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:11] that's the yardstick I'm going to use to separate my brilliant friends from the genius friends. [23:11] you do have a point there, yet :P [23:11] going forward, anyhow. [23:11] *yes [23:11] john_dee (n=id@89.179.28.177) joined ##slackware. [23:11] heya, slackers [23:11] regarding this - http://rlworkman.net/howtos/NFS_Firewall_HOWTO [23:11] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-61-204-238.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:12] does NFS require all of the listed ports open on the firewall? [23:12] to be open* [23:12] Yes. [23:12] rworkman: in/out? [23:12] Well, not necessarily, but you'll encounter less resistance that way. [23:13] hahah [23:13] resistance is futile [23:14] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: "Command not found." [23:16] resistance can be fun too [23:16] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-7-235.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-75-45.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:17] still it makes the line "This makes it *much* easier to run a firewall on the NFS server" from the man sound like a joke [23:17] %) [23:17] john_dee: basically, the server will need to be listening on 111, 861, 863, 865, 2049, and 4045. The client(s) will need to have 111, 866, and 4045 open. [23:17] BringingSexyBack: that is because you havent attempted to resist me ;-) [23:17] john_dee: um, you do realize that *I* wrote that howto, right? [23:17] well, in theory you could barricade those ports and only allow packets on your whitelist. [23:18] rworkman: yep :D [23:18] playing hard to get can be fun [23:18] that's sexy [23:18] way to bring it back. i like hard to get. [23:19] I've been here the entire time - he didn't bring me back. [23:20] Action: BringingSexyBack stabs rworkman [23:20] Action: BringingSexyBack shrugs "maybe he's into pain" [23:22] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [23:23] heh [23:23] ola, SpacePlod [23:24] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Success [23:25] oh, what an ident! [23:25] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@hbge-216-37-227-223.dsl.hbge.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [23:26] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:27] user8937 (n=user0432@ppp-69-223-62-150.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:27] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:33] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:33] anyone tried this? [23:33] http://hax.tor.hu [23:34] hey, anyone get this kind of msg when try to see a manpage in -current? http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/lKtMRz46.html [23:34] john_dee: yup [23:34] what about it? [23:35] echelon: how far you got? [23:35] john_dee: just far enough to get the free shell ;) [23:35] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.88.1) joined ##slackware. [23:35] i didn't bother afterwards [23:35] echelon: respect! just found it. going thru warmup [23:36] spaceplo_ (i=SpacePlo@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-ac8e96446566d4fd) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:36] cool [23:36] well, lemme know if you need help [23:37] ok. tnx :) [23:38] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [23:39] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-75-45.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:40] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-3-173.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] hba: Type "pwd" and it should become clear. :) [23:42] fsckroot (n=fsckroot@124.187.148.119) joined ##slackware. [23:43] hey rworkman [23:43] hey [23:43] i had overlooked the aircrack-ptw inquiry, sorry :/ [23:44] No worries; I think we figured it out [23:44] the ng suite had already implemented the ptw algorithm long before [23:45] rworkman, hey how's it going? [23:45] rworkman: yeap, i got it ;) [23:46] also, has there been an increase in spam for sbo mailing list members? [23:46] but why should 'man' know whats my current dir? .. anyway :P [23:46] hey, have you made anymore lead way on the xf86-video-intel driver rworkman? Also, i appreciate the time you take to work on that. [23:46] mrselfpwn, why does he need to make lead way? it works as is [23:47] well, with the latest one in his repo opengl doesn't work for me. [23:47] glxgears just gives a black screen [23:48] XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0" [23:48] after 686 requests (679 known processed) with 0 events remaining. [23:48] Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be [23:48] Channel flood from BringingSexyBack -- kicking [23:48] approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate. [23:48] BringingSexyBack kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [23:48] and with one from current it glxgears and other opengl apps stutter in a strange way [23:48] BringingSexyBack (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [23:48] er sorry didn't know it would do that [23:48] mine works though [23:48] i think you're doing something wrong [23:49] if it's me i would happily fix it. if i knew what _I_ was doing wrong. [23:49] It's not you. [23:50] /exec -o /sbin/lspci | grep VGA [23:50] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) [23:50] fsckroot (n=fsckroot@124.187.148.119) left irc: "leaving" [23:50] I'm not sure how that's going to turn out, but we'll figure out something. Anyway, I'm about to pass out, I think, so afk. Later. [23:50] aight later. [23:50] g'night [23:52] BringingSexyBack: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) [23:52] do you use an xorg.conf? [23:52] yes like i told you [23:52] just enough to specify tiling [23:52] missed that in the flood i guess [23:53] how is performance on a 945? [23:54] well, enemy territory runs from 10-30 fps [23:54] not too bad for a netbook i guess. it's totally playable [23:55] i had a small 2gig partition not being used so i slimmed down a XP copy i had with nlite and installed it to that. [23:56] just to play games from my external HD [23:56] World of Warcraft is okay, only for the social aspect, but pretty much unplayable in both XP and Linux. [23:57] if you are near a lot of other people it slows down quite a bit [23:57] interesting, those are apps I've never run. 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