[00:00] <Cryp71c> godling: lol, is that going to be productive?
[00:00] <Cryp71c> :0
[00:00] <acidchild> jkwood: whats the pros of bash 4?
[00:00] <Cryp71c> acidchild: its more bashy
[00:00] <Urchlay> it's one louder than bash 3!
[00:00] <godling> Cryp71c: Why does everything have to be productive? ;P
[00:00] <acidchild> Cryp71c: you are a epic failure.
[00:00] <acidchild> :>
[00:01] <godling> acidchild: "an epic"
[00:01] <jkwood> acidchild: As I understand it, there's a lot of zsh-like features.
[00:01] <Urchlay> failed at calling someone a failure?
[00:01] <acidchild> mmm i see.
[00:01] Action: acidchild never denied being a failure.
[00:01] <Urchlay> http://tiswww.case.edu/php/chet/bash/NEWS
[00:02] <godling> Cryp71c: Kernel, toolset, and a particular method of doing things constitute a distribution (more or less).
[00:02] <Urchlay> package manager gives a distro its "flavor"
[00:02] <godling> Most have some kind of propaganda associated with it.
[00:02] <Urchlay> thus ubuntu is debian-flavored
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[00:03] <Cryp71c> godling: and toolsets are just binaries, a particular method of doing things might be a package manager / (or features such as apt-get)?
[00:03] <godling> Ubuntu is Windows-flavored.
[00:03] <acidchild> Urchlay: thanks.
[00:03] <godling> Cryp71c: yeah, or a particular way to boot the system
[00:04] <godling> Cryp71c: anything can be arbitrarily pinned down and chosen as "the $distro way to do it".
[00:04] <acidchild> Urchlay: kinda cool really what they added.
[00:04] <Urchlay> acidchild: the "globstar" option looks like something I'd actually use
[00:04] <godling> globstar?
[00:05] <acidchild> Urchlay: indeed...
[00:05] <acidchild> w.  There is a new shell option: `globstar'.  When enabled, the globbing code
[00:05] <Urchlay> "There is a new shell option: `globstar'.  When enabled, the globbing code treats `**' specially -- it matches all directories (and files within them, when appropriate) recursively."
[00:05] <acidchild> treats `**' specially -- it matches all directories (and files within
[00:05] <acidchild> them, when appropriate) recursively.
[00:05] <Urchlay> acidchild: jinks!
[00:05] <acidchild> :P
[00:05] <godling> someone owes a coke
[00:05] <acidchild> line or bottle of it?
[00:06] <Urchlay> hm. the "-t" option to read is a timeout value (not new in bash 4)... I wonder if that was in the ancient version of bash I used to use, when I wrote some gods-awful code to simulate a timeout for read...
[00:06] <Cryp71c> godling: so what has changed between kernel versions 2.6.27 and 2.6.29 ?
[00:07] <Cryp71c> I mean, any major changes, or just small adjustments / fixes / patches?
[00:07] <acidchild> Urchlay: 'sleep 30 then kill $PID'/
[00:07] <acidchild> ?
[00:07] <Urchlay> something like that
[00:07] <acidchild> haha
[00:07] <godling> Look at the changelog, Cryp71c -- I do not know.
[00:07] <Urchlay> it was eons ago, can't remember what I did now
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[00:07] <Urchlay> wonder if I just failed to RTFM in enough detail, or if the option didn't exist yet
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[00:08] <Urchlay> ah, &>> and |& are from zsh, aren't they?
[00:08] <godling> Cryp71c: The numbers mean something: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_versioning
[00:08] <acidchild> godling: tends to matter in regards to kernel versions
[00:09] <acidchild> Cryp71c: read the change log?
[00:09] <acidchild> =P
[00:09] <Cryp71c> acidchild: yeah :)
[00:09] <godling> acidchild: what?
[00:09] <Cryp71c> G"night, thanks everyone.
[00:09] <acidchild> peace.
[00:09] <godling> acidchild: did you misread what I typed?
[00:09] <Urchlay> PHP/perl style associative arrays! w00h00!
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[00:09] <acidchild> godling: yeah soz.
[00:10] <godling> What is this moonspeak?
[00:10] <acidchild> ya mon...
[00:10] <godling> Man, my grades should be posted by now.
[00:10] <acidchild> ting get bzy ya no?
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[00:10] <Urchlay> "We are from the moon. Your primitive Earth brains can't understand us"
[00:10] <acidchild> grey shiz drips out da noggin'
[00:11] <Urchlay> (eh, what are those guys called? Inignot and Ur?)
[00:11] <acidchild> cheese?
[00:11] <Urchlay> Mooninites
[00:11] <Urchlay> aqua teen hunger force... such a bizarre show
[00:12] <acidchild> ATHF <3
[00:12] <godling> My name is...
[00:12] <godling> I haven't seen it in awhile.
[00:12] <acidchild> FC Zooler?
[00:12] <Urchlay> I think I like their fake King Diamond song from the movie, better than any real ones
[00:12] <acidchild> or somehthing dumb
[00:12] <acidchild> MC zooler?
[00:12] <godling> Movie?
[00:12] <acidchild> MC zooler the mike ruler?
[00:12] <godling> There's a ATHF movie?
[00:13] <acidchild> aye
[00:13] <Urchlay> "Your money is now our money! And we will spend it *on drugs*!!"
[00:13] <acidchild> ahaha yeah
[00:13] <godling> Shake-zula, acidchild
[00:13] <Urchlay> first time I heard it I seriously thought it was the real King Diamond, had to pause the credits at the end...
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[00:15] <acidchild> Urchlay: justin.tv
[00:15] <acidchild> go to Entertainment
[00:15] <acidchild> and click on ATHF
[00:16] <Urchlay> hm, it doesn't show up on that page, neither ATHF or Aqua
[00:16] <acidchild> second page.
[00:17] <acidchild> its a picture of some womans tits with ATHF writen on them
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[00:18] <Urchlay> apparently I fail at visually grepping, I don't see it :(
[00:18] <acidchild> http://justin.tv/was_augoza
[00:18] <acidchild> there.
[00:19] <acidchild> lol, they are dumping nuclear waste next door.
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[00:19] <Urchlay> nice
[00:20] <Urchlay> aspect ratio is stretched :(
[00:20] <acidchild> looks good to me :/
[00:20] Action: acidchild has it at 800x600 on a projecter
[00:21] <Urchlay> bleah, my wireless sucks too much to watch this
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[00:21] <Urchlay> too many pauses :(
[00:21] <acidchild> :(
[00:21] <Urchlay> cool site though
[00:21] <acidchild> works perfect for me :-(
[00:21] <acidchild> justin.tv rocks.
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[00:22] <Urchlay> it'd probly work perfect for me if I'd been allowed to run a damn ethernet cable thru the wall
[00:22] <Urchlay> am about as far away from the wireless AP as it's possible to be without being in the apartment next door
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[00:23] <acidchild> root@brouter:~# export DEV=eth1 ; /home/staff/bwpd host 10.1.0.101
[00:23] <acidchild> interface: eth1
[00:23] <acidchild> pps=78 rate=57.20KB bits=457
[00:23] <Urchlay> bleah, moving next week anyway
[00:23] <acidchild> its only 57Kbps
[00:23] <Urchlay> I get bursts of nice fast speed with pauses in between
[00:23] <acidchild> :(
[00:23] <straterra> so..pause it and let it cache
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[00:24] <acidchild> its live streaming straterra :/
[00:24] <acidchild> when he unpauses it it will go to the current
[00:24] <straterra> eh, it shouldnt
[00:24] <acidchild> it does..
[00:24] <straterra> it should just be lagged
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[00:46] <prodigy> hello everyone, what could the problem be, if my system has no /dev/dsp ?  I just recently upgraded my onboard sound with an old SBLive (since it supports full duplex) and I also am having a TV Tuner Card (Brooktree)...I have sound on my system, but whenever I use applications that attempt to read from /dev/dsp, it doesn't work since I don't even have /dev/dsp
[00:46] <andarius> load the alsa oss compat modules
[00:47] <andarius> though slackware normaly does this, /dev/dsp is an oss thing
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[00:50] <prodigy> andarius: ok, I just did hm..now i get more stuff in alsamixer   but how do I switch between devices again? I forgot the keyshortcut
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[00:52] <andarius> i only have one device so i have no idea
[00:52] <andarius> man alsamixer ?
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[00:57] <prodigy> andarius: OMG!!! i've been trying to get this to work all afternoon, thought of having to reinstall my system..and there you are, just telling me to load the alsa oss modules and wow..it works! :P
[00:58] <gbonvehim> lol
[00:58] <andarius> easy young one, your penguin-fu will be strong some day ;)
[00:58] <gbonvehim> your feather will be water-proof
[00:58] <prodigy> thank you again
[00:59] <andarius> actualy glad i could help
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[00:59] <andarius> yw
[00:59] <prodigy> now i'm just going to stick this into the modules list that loads up automatically so i don't have to start them manually
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[01:00] <gbonvehim> prodigy: IIRC alsamixer does that for you
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[01:01] <prodigy> gbonvehim: so after i have loaded the modules manually, then used alsactl store as root, it should save that and automatically load those modules upon bootup?
[01:01] <gbonvehim> take a look at /etc/modprobe.d/ I think it created a sound file there
[01:01] <gbonvehim> no, I tought you ran alsamixer
[01:01] <gbonvehim> sorry, alsaconf
[01:01] <gbonvehim> damn, i need some rest, sorry, I was talking about alsaconf actually, not alsamixer, it doesn't have anything to do with modules
[01:01] <prodigy> ah, no i haven't...sound worked, it's just i never got /dev/dsp    and once i loaded the alsa oss compatibility modules, /dev/dsp showed up and now the apps that use that work just great
[01:02] <prodigy> I've had sound all along, so I didn't dare to run alsaconf again...didn't want to mess it up :D
[01:02] <gbonvehim> take a look at /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist if they're not listed there
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[01:02] <gbonvehim> (they shouldn't)
[01:02] <andarius> some cards dont load the oss compat modules well. an entry in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules is acceptable in such cases
[01:03] <andarius> though /etc/rc.d/rc.alsa should load them if present/needed
[01:03] <gbonvehim> maybe rc.alsa is not set to +x
[01:03] <andarius> ls -l /etc/rc.d/rc.alsa ??
[01:04] <andarius> easy to find out :)
[01:04] <prodigy> hm
[01:04] <prodigy> donm't even have that
[01:04] <prodigy> no /etc/rc.d/rc.alsa  on here...i'm on slackware 12.1 still
[01:04] <andarius> cat /etc/slackware-version
[01:04] <gbonvehim> rc.alsa is from alsa-utils package
[01:05] <gbonvehim> it's has been there since alsa came mainstream afaik
[01:05] <andarius> before 12.x i know for sure
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[01:05] <webbi> hello
[01:05] <andarius> ello
[01:05] <prodigy> hm, i think i'll just live with it for now ..don't wanna mess up my sound again. I'll just find some time to install 12.2 soon, and that's when all these issues should be resolved...probably messed up when i installed alsa or something
[01:05] <webbi> anybody could tell me which package sould i download to have the command 'consoletype' ?
[01:06] <andarius> the slackware package browser maybe ?
[01:06] <nullboy> webbi: grep consoletype /var/log/packages/*
[01:07] <nullboy> /var/log/packages/sysvinit-functions-8.53-i486-2:sbin/consoletype
[01:07] <webbi> sysvinit
[01:07] <webbi> great thanks!
[01:08] <nullboy> use that same method for any stock file
[01:08] <nullboy> well, most files
[01:08] <webbi> i have slack 9 here
[01:08] <webbi> i dont know where to found that package
[01:08] <nullboy> look for slackware mirrors
[01:08] <webbi> linuxpackages does not have it
[01:09] <nullboy> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=slackware+mirrors&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
[01:09] <andarius> http://packages.slackware.it/
[01:09] <prodigy> andarius: gbonvehim thanks again..i'm going to have fun with these apps now
[01:10] <andarius> enjoy
[01:10] <webbi> now i dont know if i have 9 or 9.1 is there anyway to check the slack version?
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[01:10] <andarius> cat /etc/slackware-version
[01:11] <webbi> 10.1.0
[01:11] <webbi> thanks guys!
[01:11] <webbi> a lot of time without using this pc
[01:12] <nullboy> webbi: make sure you use upgradepkg with any security patches. find them on a mirror in the patches directory of the version you run
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[01:13] <webbi> nullboy: i need the app consoletype
[01:13] <nocturna> I'm having an issue compiling amarok, i have kde4.2 installed from slackware current. the error i get is "Did not find automoc4 (part of kdesupport)".  ..though I can't find a kdesupport package..niether in the slackware repositories or the kde website. Anyone know what package I need here? :p
[01:14] <rworkman> automoc4
[01:14] <webbi> where can i get consoletype cmd?
[01:14] <nocturna> automoc4 is the package?
[01:14] <rworkman> nocturna: yes
[01:14] <rworkman> webbi: for what?
[01:14] <webbi> rworkman: a script io need to exec
[01:15] <nocturna> rworkman: oh wow..I should have first tried that. I feel stupid now..I guess the kdesupport thing confused me, haha. Thanks!
[01:15] <rworkman> webbi: iirc, consoletype is a debianism, and it returns either "tty" or "vty" or some such.
[01:15] <nocturna> rworkman: that did it, thanks again
[01:16] <rworkman> np
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[01:20] <nocturna> one other question: what package would include mysqld ? I installed mysql though it is still complaining about this.
[01:20] <nocturna> sorry i'm newer to slackware.
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[01:22] <rworkman> nocturna: it needs the static mysql library.  Why don't you look at the build script for amarok?
[01:24] <nocturna> ok
[01:24] <nocturna> i will, thanks
[01:25] <rworkman> You are familiar with what I'm referring to, right?
[01:25] <rworkman> ('cause if not, I'll elaborate) :)
[01:25] <nocturna> actually, I'm not entirely sure..haha. I was going to google it
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[01:26] <godling> Google it anyways (they can use the ad revenue)!
[01:26] <rworkman> nocturna: the source/kde/ directory on a Slackware -current mirror
[01:27] <nocturna> ah ok gotcha :) thanks
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[01:28] <nocturna> I figured it has something to do with a slackbuild :P
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[01:30] <webbi> its working now... thanks guys!
[01:30] <webbi> btw, i want to install zenwalk... it's recommended?
[01:31] <godling> by someone, probably
[01:31] <jkwood> Zenwalk is not Slackware.
[01:31] <webbi> well... i dont want to spend time
[01:31] <webbi> that's interesting
[01:32] <godling> you want other people to spend their time?
[01:32] <webbi> but it's labeled as slackware distro
[01:32] <godling> ;P
[01:32] <webbi> godling: :)
[01:32] <godling> There is only one Slackware. It's name is Slackware.
[01:32] <jkwood> It's based on Slackware.
[01:32] <jkwood> That doesn't make it Slackware.
[01:32] <webbi> ok, so i will just install slackware
[01:33] <jkwood> Ubuntu is based on Debian.  So is Mepis and Knoppix.
[01:33] <godling> Unless Patrick says it is Slackware.
[01:33] <webbi> jkwood: but you said that because it's not the appropiate channel?
[01:34] <jkwood> Pretty much.
[01:34] <webbi> oh
[01:34] <webbi> well, that's fine
[01:34] <webbi> thanks for your help guys
[01:34] <webbi> bye!
[01:34] <jkwood> I'm not saying that Zenwalk is bad, necessarily.
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[01:34] <jkwood> Alrighty then.
[01:34] <godling> Damn Argentinians..
[01:35] Action: jkwood looks at nachox
[01:35] <godling> s/\./\.&/
[01:35] <godling> Who?
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[01:54] <Ficthe> <godling> s/\./\.&/
[01:54] <Ficthe> what was that?
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[02:07] <P4C0> bluetooth slackware -current... anyone?
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[02:08] <skaldicpoet9> hello?
[02:10] <nullboy> bluetooth mouse works fine here
[02:11] <skaldicpoet9> do you know how to save your wireless settings in slack 12.2?
[02:11] <skaldicpoet9> I can't seem to get them to stick
[02:11] <nullboy> look in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf
[02:11] <nullboy> you can also use /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[02:13] <chopp> nullboy: did you build 2.6.29 yet?
[02:13] <skaldicpoet9> I tried altering rc.inet1.conf anf rc.wireless.conf but it didn't seem like anything happened, but maybe I didn't change the right values
[02:13] <P4C0> nullboy: hmm, I'm trying to get the images out of my cellphone, but there seems to be a problem with d-bus
[02:13] <nullboy> chopp: i built it but i haven't rebooted yet
[02:14] <chopp> nullboy: ahh
[02:14] <chopp> having troubles building madwifi in it. :(
[02:15] <chopp> slackbuild I mean
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[02:17] <skaldicpoet9> so what exactly do I need to edit in the rc.inet1.conf file? I am somewhat lost here
[02:17] <birdlives> use nano or pico
[02:18] <birdlives> you do: nano rc.inet1.conf  OR pico rc.inet1.conf
[02:19] <skaldicpoet9> what is nano or pico and what does it do?
[02:19] <birdlives> its a text editor that you use to edit .conf files in terminal
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[02:20] <birdlives> skaldicpoet9, are you setting up wireless?
[02:20] <skaldicpoet9> oh, is it alright to use kwrite because that is what they are pulling up in
[02:20] <skaldicpoet9> yes
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[02:20] <skaldicpoet9> it is connected but I can't get the settings to save
[02:20] <skaldicpoet9> I am on it right now as we type
[02:20] <birdlives> yeah kwrite will work just make sure your root
[02:21] <skaldicpoet9> I am currently logged in as root
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[02:21] <birdlives> hmm
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[02:21] <skaldicpoet9> I am looking at the rc.inet1.conf file right now but don't really know what to do from here
[02:22] <birdlives> oh you don't know what settings to use
[02:22] <birdlives> or it wont save?
[02:22] <skaldicpoet9> yeah, I am trying to save the settings so I don't have to reconfigure thme after every reboot
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[02:22] <skaldicpoet9> well, I don't know if it didn't work because I entered the settings in worng or if it just won't save
[02:23] <birdlives> what does it tell you when you try to save?
[02:24] <skaldicpoet9> oh, it seems like it saves, I just go to file and save and then reboot but then the wireless doesn't start up at boot
[02:24] <birdlives> oh, it doesnt poll for wlan0 at boot time?
[02:25] <skaldicpoet9> in fact it gives me this "Polling for DHCP server on interface eth0.....Broadcasting DHCP discover.....timed out waiting for valid dhcp server response
[02:25] <chopp> skaldicpoet9: read here: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network#wireless_configuration_in_rc.inet1.conf
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[02:25] <skaldicpoet9> awesome thanks man :)
[02:26] <chopp> info there as well for your wpa_supplicant
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[02:26] <webbi> hello back
[02:27] <webbi> i have iptables 1.2.11 installed on a server :S
[02:27] <webbi> i want to update it
[02:27] <webbi> should i download the iptables.tgz and use upgradepkg ?
[02:27] <webbi> or installpkg?
[02:28] <skaldicpoet9> is the DHCP_HOSTNAME the name of my wireless network?
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[02:31] <chopp> I don't use dhcp myself, but you should be able to leave that blank aslong as you have your GATEWAY="" defined.
[02:32] <birdlives> no DHCP_ESSID is
[02:32] <nullboy> wtf
[02:32] <skaldicpoet9> ah I see
[02:33] <nullboy> birdlives: that's not even a valid parameter
[02:33] <birdlives> WLAN_ESSID sorry
[02:34] <skaldicpoet9> so as long as I leave the parameters of the other interfaces (eth0 and such) blank I can use [0] as the value for wlan0?
[02:34] <antler> quick question: pae if e 4gb ram, or > 4 ? i remember reading that the stock kernel supports up to 4, and that pae is needed only if the amount of ram is > 4.
[02:35] <skaldicpoet9> : IFNAME[0]="wlan0"
[02:35] <nullboy> set DHCP_HOSTNAME with your hostname if you want the system to send and register a hostname with the dhcp server. if you set that some dhcp servers are setup to update DNS automatically with the proper hostname
[02:35] <nullboy> it's not requited though
[02:35] <nullboy> required*
[02:36] <antler> well i guess i could just install the new ram when i get it and see what free -m reports
[02:37] <chopp> skaldicpoet9: regarding IFNAME[0], read the top of rc.inet1.conf
[02:38] <skaldicpoet9> ok, so as long as I have this un-commented: IFNAME[0]="wlan0" than I'll be fine?
[02:38] <skaldicpoet9> *then
[02:40] <skaldicpoet9> ok, I am going to see if this works, wish me luck :)
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[02:44] <redtricycle> ah...I remember getting my network set up
[02:44] <redtricycle> disconnecting, trying it out, then coming back
[02:44] <redtricycle> =P
[02:44] <redtricycle> fun times
[02:45] Action: antler gives redtricycle a cardboard box to play with :P
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[02:46] <antler> man i hate waiting for defrag to finish...
[02:46] <antler> 1TB that's about 80% full...
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[02:54] <jescis> what does it mean if I get permission denied even asd root trying to access or add files to a floppy disk?
[02:54] <jescis> as*
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[02:55] <skaldicpoet9> ok, I edited rc.inet1.conf but when I rebooted I still had to use dhcpcd wlan0 to enable my wireless
[02:56] <skaldicpoet9> I don't know why it isn't booting up wireless automatically
[02:56] <nullboy> pastebin your rc.inet1.conf
[02:57] <skaldicpoet9> # /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf # # This file contains the configuration settings for network interfaces. # If USE_DHCP[interface] is set to "yes", this overrides any other settings. # If you don't have an interface, leave the settings null ("").  # You can configure network interfaces other than eth0,eth1... by setting # IFNAME[interface] to the interface's name. If IFNAME[interface] is unset #...
[02:57] <skaldicpoet9> ...or empty, it is assumed you're configuring eth<interface>.  # Several other parameters are available, the end of this file contains a # comprehensive set of examples.  # =============================================================================  # Config information for eth0: IPADDR[0]="" NETMASK[0]="" USE_DHCP[0]="" DHCP_HOSTNAME[0]=""  # Config information for eth1: IPADDR[1]=""...
[02:57] <skaldicpoet9> ...NETMASK[1]="" USE_DHCP[1]="" DHCP_HOSTNAME[1]=""  # Config information for eth2: IPADDR[2]="" NETMASK[2]="" USE_DHCP[2]="" DHCP_HOSTNAME[2]=""  # Config information for eth3: IPADDR[3]="" NETMASK[3]="" USE_DHCP[3]="" DHCP_HOSTNAME[3]=""  # Default gateway IP address: GATEWAY="192.168.1.1"  # Change this to "yes" for debugging output to stdout.  Unfortunately, # /sbin/hotplug seems to...
[02:57] <skaldicpoet9> ...disable stdout so you'll only see debugging output # when rc.inet1 is called directly. DEBUG_ETH_UP="no"  ## Example config information for wlan0.  Uncomment the lines you need and fill ## in your info.  (You may not need all of these for your wireless network) IFNAME[0]="wlan0" #IPADDR[0]="" #NETMASK[4]="" USE_DHCP[0]="yes" #DHCP_HOSTNAME[4]="icculus-wireless" #DHCP_KEEPRESOLV[4]="yes"...
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[02:57] <nullboy> ...
[02:57] <birdlives> lol
[02:57] <chopp> fucking tard
[02:57] <antler> hahah
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[02:57] <skaldicpoet9> oops
[02:58] <nullboy> http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/
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[02:59] <skaldicpoet9> http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/11268
[02:59] <skaldicpoet9> I'm sorry about that I thought you said "paste in" lol
[02:59] <nullboy> line 53 has a typo
[03:00] <skaldicpoet9> USE_DHCP[0]="yes"?
[03:00] <nullboy> that whole block is jacked up
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[03:00] <nullboy> it should be using [4] not [0]
[03:00] <skaldicpoet9> oh, I thought it didn't matter because eth0 was not enabled
[03:01] <skaldicpoet9> i asked about it earlier but I guess I didn't really understand
[03:01] <skaldicpoet9> so change it back to 4?
[03:02] <nullboy> yes
[03:02] <skaldicpoet9> ok, will do
[03:02] <nullboy> you son't need to reboot to test it either
[03:02] <nullboy> s/d
[03:02] <skaldicpoet9> yeah, i have been reading the slackbook and any docs I can get my hadns on but some stuff is still kind of foreign to me coming from windows
[03:03] <skaldicpoet9> i like the challenge though :P
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[03:03] <nullboy> just run the network script as root like this: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 wlan0_restart
[03:03] <nullboy> but in your case, kill dhcpcd first like this: dhcpcd -k wlan0
[03:04] <nullboy> then restart rc.inet1 like i showed you
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[03:04] <nullboy> that same concept will work for any interface in rc.inet1.conf
[03:05] <skaldicpoet9> right on, that works it seems
[03:06] <skaldicpoet9> I am trying to get this computer up to speed so I can do my comp sci hw on it....I love the fact that linux has built in compilers and it gets me use to linux as well since we use them alot in the comp sci labs on campus
[03:06] <skaldicpoet9> thanks for the help btw
[03:06] <skaldicpoet9> I really appreciate it :)
[03:06] <nullboy> your welcome
[03:07] <jkwood> His welcome what?
[03:07] <nullboy> damn it
[03:08] <nullboy> i've been up for 19 hours
[03:08] <skaldicpoet9> is there any other tutorials or wikis and such that you could recommend to a newcomer? I  have the slackbook and have been also browsing the linuxquestions forums but I was wondering if there was any other resources out there?
[03:08] <jkwood> slackbasics.org
[03:08] <skaldicpoet9> 19 hours? damn
[03:08] <jkwood> Is that all?
[03:08] <nullboy> skaldicpoet9: slackbasics.org
[03:08] <skaldicpoet9> slackbasics? cool
[03:10] <nullboy> jkwood: i have failed the grammar gods.
[03:10] <skaldicpoet9> well I appreciate the help, you fellows have a fine night
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[03:13] <jescis> kde floppy formatter said fdformat gave it an error 77. But when I ran fdformatter in terminal it gave no error :\ what is wrong?
[03:15] <jkwood> Try running the kde program in a terminal, and see what it says there.
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[03:53] <slackytude> morning
[03:53] <slackytude> smb4k keeps crashing >-<
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[03:55] <luisme> somebody can help me ? i need the driver for an ati mobility 700 but i cant find it
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[03:56] <Urchlay> *gods*
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[03:56] <Urchlay> heh, did I miss anything important?
[03:57] <godling> Only the end of the world.
[03:57] <godling> It'll happen again, though, so no worries.
[03:57] <antler> luisme: it's an ati driver, yeah?
[03:57] <luisme> yes
[03:57] <antler> luisme: it's an ati.com driver, yeah?
[03:57] <luisme> i searched on the ati website
[03:57] <Urchlay> godling: well, I've been to Milliway's before. Once you're seen one gnab gib, you've seen them all
[03:58] <luisme> antler : what can i do ?
[03:58] <godling> Urchlay: When that day comes I'll be able to wring everyone's neck at once. It'll be awesome.
[03:59] <antler> luisme: ati mobility radeon x700? if so, download it from ati.com
[04:00] <luisme> i did
[04:00] <luisme> but i cant install
[04:00] <luisme> it
[04:00] <godling> Why not?
[04:01] <slackytude> no exe file?
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[04:01] <luisme> ok .hold on ill check again on ati website
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[04:03] <antler> i love how it goes from 'i need the driver...but can't find it' to something like 'i have the driver, but can't install it'
[04:04] <slackytude> 2.6.29
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[04:07] <slackytude> some of the stuff from 2.6.29 looks quite good
[04:08] <slackytude> quite buggy too
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[04:10] <neuro_sys> respect hommie
[04:11] <neuro_sys> whutta ya doin niggas
[04:11] <neuro_sys> !seen nullboy
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[04:28] <slava_dp> what packages do i have to add in order to install hal? hal and hal-info - is that all?
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[04:34] <gbonvehim> messagebus
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[04:34] <gbonvehim> dbus actually
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[04:38] <chopp> yes a night watchman is required.
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[04:51] <slackytude> hrm
[04:52] <slackytude> why is it that windows clients can do a nslookup for short names, and I have to use FQDN ?
[04:52] <Urchlay> eh? maybe windows is using smb/wins/something to resolve the names?
[04:52] <slackytude> that is: dig foo  -> IP address of foo for windows host and NXDOMAIN for my machine
[04:53] <slackytude> Urchlay, nah, Im doing nslookup
[04:53] <slackytude> Im wondering if there is an option to specify a default FDQN
[04:53] <slackytude> eh, FQDN
[04:53] <Urchlay> it seems to use the search directive in /etc/resolv.conf
[04:53] <slackytude> duh >-<
[04:53] <slackytude> thx
[04:54] <Urchlay> eh, or maybe I'm wrong (just changed it but dig's results stayed the same)
[04:55] <slackytude> Urchlay, you were right but its the domain keyword
[04:55] <Urchlay> ahh, so close...
[04:56] <slackytude> yep, works now
[04:56] <slackytude> ^-^
[04:56] <Urchlay> at one time I probly knew the difference between search and domain, damned if I can remember now
[04:57] <slackytude> domain sets the default domain name which gets appended to the host you query, search specifies in which domains to search
[04:57] <slackytude> afaik
[04:57] <slackytude> what I dont understand is why I have to set it, manually, tho. I thought it should get the domain part from my hostname
[04:58] <Urchlay> well, if you had 4 IP addreses with 4 different hostnames (with 4 different domains), which would it use then?
[04:58] <Urchlay> (I suppose whichever one is actually set via /etc/HOSTNAME)
[04:58] <ccfreak2k> DRI2: Judgement Day
[04:59] <Urchlay> I think dig is supposed to work just like regular apps do, when they use DNS
[04:59] <Urchlay> (and normal apps definitely don't intuit your domain name)
[05:00] <ccfreak2k> Urchlay, don't regular programs use calls like gethostbyname()?
[05:00] <Urchlay> yeah
[05:00] <slackytude> Urchlay, Ive got the same problem with nslookup
[05:00] <Urchlay> nslookup uses its own private modified resolver library, all bets are off :)
[05:01] <Urchlay> (or it used to. Maybe it's become standardized now, ldd shows it using the same libs as dig)
[05:02] <Urchlay> ccfreak2k: regular programs call gethostbyname(), which means they don't do unqualified hostnames unless /etc/resolv.conf has the correct domain/search directive(s)
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[05:03] <slackytude> well, in the man pages it says it will construct the domain name from hostname
[05:03] <Urchlay> I used to be *so* into this stuff...
[05:03] <slackytude> thats what is confusing me
[05:03] <slackytude> as I remeber it like that too
[05:04] <slackytude> but anyway, it works now
[05:04] <slackytude> now I only wish I knew why there is computer missing from the windows network neighbourhood
[05:04] <Urchlay> possibly windows is automagically setting its equivalent of the domain directive, when it fires up networking?
[05:04] <slava_dp> anybodyy knows what fonts are essential for a linux system? (flashplayer 10 keeps segfaulting on my stripped-down slack installation. all libs are present, i'm starting to suspect fonts).
[05:05] <slackytude> Urchlay, thats not the problem. the problem is Linux should do that too, but I had to manually set it in resolv.conf
[05:05] <slava_dp> i have dejavu and liberation installed now.
[05:05] <Urchlay> I could imagine a boot script for Linux that does that... rewrite /etc/resolv.conf based on the domain name (which might come from a DHCP server)
[05:06] <slackytude> Urchlay, are we still talking about the same issue?
[05:06] <Urchlay> slava_dp: you could strace the browser process, see what font files it tries to open()?
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[05:06] <Urchlay> slackytude: eh, I dunno. It's late here...
[05:06] <slava_dp> Urchlay, the standalone flashplayer.
[05:06] <slackytude> Urchlay, ^-^
[05:06] <edman007> Urchlay, its 5am, i just woke up!
[05:06] <Urchlay> OK, strace the standalone flash player, easier anyway
[05:06] Action: edman007 hugs gnash
[05:06] <Urchlay> edman007: I hope I never have to say that
[05:07] <slava_dp> don't have development tools installed -- only 800 MB of hd space there. so i'm stuck with guessing
[05:07] <slackytude> Urchlay, when you have hostname you *DONT* need to specify domain, as the domain part of your hostane is taken.
[05:07] <slackytude> afaik, at least
[05:07] <slackytude> but this doesnt work
[05:07] <edman007> Urchlay, its easy to do, i just stayed up 4 hours later each day until i woke up in the middle of the night
[05:07] <slackytude> which is why I had to set the domain manually
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[05:07] <Urchlay> although now that I think of it. It might not call open("font_filename"), it might query the X server for font data. Blah.
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[05:08] <edman007> Urchlay, see yesterday i woke up at 1030pm, today i woke up at 4am
[05:08] <Urchlay> that never works for me
[05:08] <edman007> Urchlay, it works for me, i just can't go the other way
[05:08] <Urchlay> I can do it the other way around: stay up a really long time, and sleep a normal amount, get up early
[05:08] <slava_dp> Urchlay, yeah but it actually segfaults. if it did proper processing of the font data it would output an error instead of that.
[05:09] <Urchlay> yeah, but if it's segfaulting due to doing something like open("filename") failing, but it fails to check for failure, strace would show you that at least
[05:09] <slava_dp> the fun part is that flash player 9 worked on that system. and flash 10 doesn't.
[05:09] <Urchlay> you'd actually be looking for calls to open() that return ENOENT
[05:10] <Urchlay> but, eh, I dunno if that works on modern Xorg (last time I did that was probably on xfree86 3.something)
[05:10] <slava_dp> okay, i will try stracing it on this machine now.
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[05:12] <edman007> slava_dp, are you using FF3?
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[05:13] <slava_dp> edman007, standalone flashplayer.
[05:13] <edman007> oh...
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[05:14] <Urchlay> if you wanna strace it on the target machine, all you need is the strace binary copied there
[05:14] <slava_dp> Urchlay, oh :-) ok
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[05:15] <Urchlay> strace flashthingie 2>&1 | grep open.*font   # something like that
[05:15] <Urchlay> eh, you *do* have grep, right? :)
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[05:16] <psychicist> edman007: have the cpu load and display quality problems with gnash improved lately?
[05:16] <Urchlay> (if not, awk or sed could substitute, with a little hair-pulling... if you have those)
[05:16] <Urchlay> what's gnash actually meant to do? is it a full flash implementation, or just flash video?
[05:17] <edman007> psychicist, i would say yes...in fact youtube support is very good right now (not perfect, but a LOT better than it was), but its still far behind the real one, especially for CPU usage and such (though i don't have 3d working on my system, so it may be better on other systems)
[05:17] <ccfreak2k> Urchlay, IIRC it's supposed to be a replacement for Adobe Flash.
[05:17] <ccfreak2k> So full implementation.
[05:18] <ccfreak2k> Gnash also describes what people do when they use it.
[05:18] <psychicist> Urchlay: it's a full flash implementation, it worked for me for watching youtube videos back in november last year, I'm going to build the latest soon to see if it works with more sites than youtube
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[05:18] <Urchlay> I spent a week trying maybe 3 flash replacements, not a single one could play the "trogdor" game from homestarrunner, or "crazy chess" from wherever that's from
[05:18] <Urchlay> which are the only 2 things I really ever want flash for, other than youtube
[05:19] <Urchlay> gnash might have been the one I could never get to build though. Shoulda kept notes.
[05:19] <edman007> psychicist, in general the support is ok for some apps, i get about a 50% chance that it will run if its not a video player
[05:19] <edman007> video players just don't work unless its youtube
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[05:19] <Urchlay> at least one of them, the documentation didn't talk about "applets" or "flash applications", it specifically talked about videos... thought that might have been gnash
[05:19] <edman007> ...i got a slackbuild for gnash if you want it...
[05:20] <psychicist> edman007: good to hear, I still have to fix boost to make gnash work on mips, but I want to build it on arm as well before doing so
[05:20] <Urchlay> depends. Does it have a huge mess o' deps?
[05:20] <edman007> Urchlay, boost, gst-ffmpeg/ffmpeg...
[05:20] <edman007> and some other things that i already have...
[05:20] <Urchlay> oh, boost. That wouldn't even compile on the crappy little box I was using at the time...
[05:21] <ccfreak2k> edman007, I was secretly looking for it on sbo.
[05:21] <Urchlay> (but I've since upgraded the RAM, it probably won't run out if I try it again)
[05:21] <edman007> heh, my slackbuild just grabs the latest from bzr
[05:21] <edman007> (which is a build dep for mine, lol)
[05:22] <Urchlay> where's your slackbuild located? I might play with gnash again...
[05:22] <Urchlay> the goal was to be able to play flash games that normally use mouse/keyboard, with a joystick instead
[05:23] <Urchlay> with adobe flash, I can use e.g. xdotool to send fake keys/mouse events, but it gets confused easily.. was hoping to get it working in something I had source to, modify that instead
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[05:24] <edman007> this is what i use (its for x86_64, so change a bit for slack) http://pastebin.ca/1370214
[05:24] <edman007> anyways i got some stuff in there to grab trunk and build it
[05:24] <edman007> and i find gst/cairo has the best support
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[05:25] <edman007> opengl is funky on my system (i get stuff upside down and such...)
[05:25] <psychicist> edman007: I've built it quite a few times before and am quite a regular in the #gnash channel as you know, I've just taken some time to get my new build/development system up and running and to join in on the action again
[05:26] <edman007> heh, i still got some stuff in there to use tsocks...oops..
[05:26] <Urchlay> tsocks bzr pull <--- yeah I see that
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[05:26] <Urchlay> is OK, I can probly figure out how to get the src
[05:27] <edman007> without tsocks -> http://pastebin.ca/1370218
[05:27] <edman007> :D
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[05:27] <Urchlay> eh, is it identical with s/tsocks //g ?
[05:28] <edman007> yea, tsocks just maps the network functions to go to a socks server (so i can proxy bzr)
[05:28] <Urchlay> yeah, at one time I had tsocks installed, was using it to use non-tor-aware apps with tor
[05:28] <edman007> i use it because the network at my school sucks that much
[05:28] <Urchlay> but I decided my impatience outweighs my paranoia, so I quit using tor (it's just too damn slow)
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[05:29] <slava_dp> laptop overheated and turned itself off :(
[05:29] <Urchlay> ouch
[05:29] <Urchlay> better than dripping melted plastic in your lap I guess, but still it sucks
[05:30] <Camarade_Tux> double ouch
[05:30] <Camarade_Tux> time to open it and remove the dust ?
[05:30] <slava_dp> my fault. running world community grid at 100% cpu load.
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[05:30] <edman007> Urchlay, i my school gives me a http(s) proxy for web browsing, and blocks everything else (except IM apps, and WoW/dota), so i ssh out and proxy irc/internet radio, email, etc over ssh
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[05:30] <Urchlay> you don't use that laptop inside a kitchen where they make pizzas, do you? (flour in the air + humidity = computer full of dough...)
[05:31] <edman007> and i got to go back today :(
[05:31] <Camarade_Tux> when I last cleaned mine (it wasn't even very dirty), max cpu temp dropped by 10°C on load (80°C -> 70°C)
[05:31] <Urchlay> they allow WoW but not ssh? Glad to see their priorities are in order :(
[05:31] <slackytude> heh
[05:32] <slackytude> ssh + tsocks = nifty
[05:32] <Camarade_Tux> connect to ssh on the wow port then ;)
[05:32] Action: Camarade_Tux showers
[05:32] <slackytude> y0 Camarade_Tux
[05:32] <edman007> Camarade_Tux, i use the pop port actually (thats open, but my email is all imap, which is blocked, just like smtp)
[05:33] <Urchlay> oh, cute
[05:33] <slackytude> pretty random blocks
[05:33] <Camarade_Tux> edman007, lol ;p
[05:33] <Urchlay> leave the crappy protocol unblocked, don't let anybody use the actual useful one
[05:33] <Camarade_Tux> hey slackytude, see I woke up even later than yesterday :)
[05:33] <slackytude> yeah, good job ^-^
[05:33] <Urchlay> (though pop can be just about bearable if you use fetchmail)
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[05:35] <edman007> Urchlay, heh, my prof gave me a VPN server at the school to vpn into, they blocked VPN to their own server...
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[05:35] <Urchlay> the left hand doesn't even know the right hand exists
[05:35] <slava_dp> is there any graphical tool to compare (diff) the two strace outputs?
[05:35] <edman007> anyways, i graduate in may, so its all good :)
[05:35] <jkwood> kompare
[05:36] <Urchlay> eh, well, there's "diff", but it's not graphical unless you count running it in an xterm :)
[05:36] <slava_dp> and gtk-based?
[05:36] <edman007> slava_dp, sdiff
[05:36] <Urchlay> or vimdiff
[05:36] <edman007> emacs has one too
[05:36] <Urchlay> eh, is there a gvimdiff?
[05:36] <slackytude> there is Kompare
[05:36] <slava_dp> sdiff is ok
[05:36] <slackytude> kompare
[05:36] <Urchlay> he said gtk-based though, guessing Kompare doesn't fit the bill
[05:36] <slackytude> ah, right
[05:36] <jkwood> I believe that there is a gvimdiff.
[05:36] <slackytude> yes
[05:37] <Urchlay> (unless it's really Gompare with a typo...)
[05:37] <slackytude> Urchlay, fraid not
[05:37] <Urchlay> somehow I didn't think so
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[05:37] <slackytude> ^-^
[05:37] <edman007> slackytude, i don't trust anything that can't remember simple things like where it placed the 'c', C drives everything good in a computer
[05:37] <Urchlay> ah, there is a gvimdiff, just not on this box I'm using cause I removed gvim
[05:38] <slackytude> edman007, I dont know what you are getting at
[05:38] <edman007> slackytude, must kill excess k's
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[05:38] <slackytude> man a lot of  ##slackware are in ##windows too
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[05:38] <Urchlay> Kick KDE in the Kojones?
[05:38] <edman007> yea
[05:39] <slackytude> oh well, kde aint that bad
[05:39] <Urchlay> at least most of the K-names are pronounceable
[05:39] <slackytude> works on windows too ^-^
[05:39] <Urchlay> "gvim" really isn't
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[05:39] <Urchlay> (bad example, "kvim" doesn't exist, but if it did, it also would need to buy a vowel)
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[05:40] <Urchlay> I just found out something horrible yet intriguing... Sun finally open sourced the original Bill Joy version of vi
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[05:41] <Urchlay> and someone munged it into shape so it'll compile & run OK on Linux
[05:44] <ccfreak2k> Sun owned the copyright?
[05:45] <Camarade_Tux> there is a gvimdiff : gvimdiff or gvim -d :)
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[05:48] <Urchlay> apparently so
[05:48] <Urchlay> ancient versions of vi are like seeing a decapitated body on the side of the road
[05:48] <Urchlay> or a 500lb chick in a string bikini
[05:49] <Urchlay> I know it'll give me nightmares, but I look at it anyway
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[05:58] <ccfreak2k> at76_usb had better make its way into the kernel quick.
[06:01] <frullet> evening all
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[06:34] <Zordrak> sup
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[06:38] <slackytude> morning Zordrak
[06:39] <Zordrak> Im dual booting my work desktop into -current :)
[06:40] Action: C00re is trying to understand that sentence.. and fails
[06:40] <ccfreak2k> Ok.
[06:41] <Zordrak> C00re: that's some serious fail
[06:46] <Zordrak> oo
[06:46] <Zordrak> since im gonna be running -current perhaps i should do it on ext4 ...
[06:46] <edman007> Zordrak, running 12.2 and -current?
[06:46] <slackytude> the fail bus has arrived
[06:47] <edman007> slackytude, your shipment of fail has arrived
[06:47] <slackytude> Zordrak, careful
[06:47] <Zordrak> edman007: lol no.. work desktop has been XP for some time
[06:47] <slackytude> Zordrak, kde4 + ext4 has crash reports
[06:47] <Zordrak> unfortunately
[06:47] <edman007> ewww
[06:47] <Zordrak> slackytude: ta.. ext3 it is
[06:47] <Zordrak> edman007: indeed.. hence time to change it
[06:48] <Zordrak> though i will still need XP inside vbox
[06:48] <edman007> Zordrak, well install 2.6.29 and test ext4 without journaling
[06:48] <Zordrak> meh
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[06:48] <edman007> and you can make $HOME btrfs
[06:48] <Zordrak> i still have to *work* :)
[06:48] <slackytude> thats *unstable*
[06:49] <slackytude> the 2.6.29 looks like it will get a lot of bugfixes
[06:49] <edman007> lol
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[06:51] <Zordrak> ill stick with ext3 for now
[06:52] <Zordrak> i really want to play with kde4.. not ever touched it yet
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[07:00] <t0f> is 2.6.28 considered somewhat beta? they keep backporting to 2.6.27
[07:02] <Zordrak> who's 'they'?
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[07:02] <t0f> kernel developers
[07:02] <brixton> Zordrak: i tried it on latest slack build.. but on my old laptop kde is waaay too slow
[07:02] <Zordrak> 2.6.28 is definitely not beta... 2.6.29 just came out
[07:03] <xMDKx> morning
[07:03] <Zordrak> cant explain the backporting though
[07:03] <t0f> ok Zordrak, just wondering if i should take the 29 plunge :)
[07:04] <Zordrak> no
[07:04] <Zordrak> not yot
[07:04] <Zordrak> *yet
[07:04] <t0f> ok
[07:04] <Zordrak> save that for about 2.6.29.5
[07:05] <t0f> i'll build 2.6.28.9
[07:05] <Zordrak> i wonder when we can expect 2.8
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[07:07] <t0f> when they run out of directory entries in /pub/linux/kernel/v2.6? jk
[07:11] <t0f> man, the patch is huge:  patch-2.6.29.bz2  12080Kb
[07:12] <Zordrak> meh i always F
[07:13] <chopp> 2.6.29 Tux is taking a three month sabbatical to work as a barber, so Tuz is
[07:13] <chopp> standing in.  He's taken pains to ensure you'll hardly notice.
[07:14] <t0f> hehehehe
[07:15] <chopp> almost fell out of my chair when I booted it. I was like wtf is that creature.
[07:16] <t0f> oh? Tuz is a pidgon?
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[07:16] <edman007> no, Tasmanian devil
[07:16] <chopp> tazmanian devil
[07:16] <t0f> ic
[07:17] <Agiofws> hi
[07:17] <Agiofws> off topic   but you may know
[07:17] <Agiofws> is there a way to edit   foo.ttf and  apply  CAPS to the SMALL fonts ?  basically edit the foo.ttf ?
[07:17] <Zordrak> wtf?
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[07:17] <Agiofws> lol
[07:17] <edman007> Agiofws, uhh...why would you edit a font for that?
[07:18] <edman007> if you want small caps you do that in your editor
[07:18] <Agiofws> http://ixtus.dyndns.org/index.html/index.php?option=com_jumi&fileid=6&Itemid=212=en  try that
[07:18] <edman007> and it will use small caps
[07:18] <edman007> ..or whatever they call that
[07:19] <Agiofws> it would better to have big fonts  everywhere
[07:19] <Zordrak> oohhh
[07:19] <Zordrak> its a frigging wildlife campaign!
[07:21] <edman007> Agiofws, in html? you know its a css property right?
[07:21] <Zordrak> shit... whats the vga mode for 1600x1200?
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[07:21] <Agiofws> edman007,  nothing to do with css or html
[07:21] <Zordrak> anyoneZ
[07:21] <edman007> well you pasted some web page...
[07:22] <Agiofws> i need to create a font that has identical   caps & small fonts
[07:22] <edman007> Agiofws, in general, whatever you are using should have a way to force it to use the upper case font
[07:22] <Agiofws> turn on the caps key  via the web page or somthing ?
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[07:23] <t0f> Zordrak: 0x31F
[07:23] <Agiofws> i am using a form to input some text in that form users must use CAPS ...
[07:23] <edman007> Agiofws, you want to upper case the text they input on the web page? just transform it on the server
[07:24] <edman007> and javascript to make it more visible
[07:24] <Agiofws> a better way is that the font that is generated  from imagemagick  should use s special kind of font  that has caps & small the SAME
[07:24] <edman007> if you want it to just *look* upper case, font-variant:small-caps; will do that
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[07:24] <Agiofws> edman007,  did you finish tha app or did you cancel  it ?
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[07:25] <edman007> what app?
[07:25] <Agiofws> go to the page  type in  3 words  in CAPS press button
[07:25] <Zordrak> 799 is what i was after
[07:25] Action: edman007 is doing VHDL right now..
[07:25] <Agiofws> VHDL ?
[07:25] <Zordrak> only to find ive just coastered a DVD
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[07:26] <Agiofws> Zordrak,  nice
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[07:26] <edman007> Agiofws, hardware language :)
[07:26] <Agiofws> assembly ?
[07:26] <t0f> Zordrak: 799 is 32bit
[07:26] <t0f> Zordrak: 798 is 24bit
[07:26] <edman007> Agiofws, no, lower level..used for stuff like writing CPUs
[07:27] <edman007> in this case i'm writing a simple SONET card
[07:27] <Zordrak> what do you guys use to burn DVD isos from bash?
[07:27] <edman007> growisofs
[07:27] <Zordrak> sounds daft but have never had need to do it before
[07:27] <Agiofws> lower thaN  ASSEMBLY ?  ????
[07:27] <Agiofws> Zordrak,   ...
[07:27] <Agiofws> sec
[07:28] <Agiofws> makedvd -burn -device /dev/cdrom "/mnt/blender/music-justice/out4"
[07:28] <edman007> Agiofws, yes...you write things like the implementation for the associated assembly code...and the language is super parallel (its not really executed top down...)
[07:28] <Agiofws> "/mnt/blender/music-justice/out4"  VOB files
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[07:30] <edman007> Agiofws, anyways, its clearly php...so just do $text = uppercase($_POST['text']);
[07:30] <edman007> or is it toupper()...i forget :(
[07:30] <Zordrak> Agiofws: ta... but already started with growisofs -Z
[07:31] <t0f> has anyone managed to run slack on a Dell w/integrated i915
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[07:31] <Zordrak> on my last dvd+r
[07:31] <Zordrak> fingers crossed
[07:32] <Agiofws> if you have vob file dir it works EVERY TIME
[07:32] <Agiofws> you why i love slack ?
[07:32] <Zordrak> t0f: sorry.. this one's ICH8+nVidia
[07:32] <Agiofws> i am on debian now though
[07:32] Action: Zordrak stabs the heretic
[07:33] <t0f> my crumby Dell has no agp slot
[07:33] <Agiofws> cause on a celeron 700mhz machine it seems like  you are on a super computer   with debina on a dual 2000mhz  laptop   the interactiveness is  worse
[07:34] <edman007> t0f, intel video works great
[07:34] <Agiofws> t0f,  lapis dont have agp slots usually
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[07:35] <t0f> the default kernel with slack 12.2 and after running 'X -configure', i get a 'nobody cared' 'disabling irg xx'. but if i boot a live cd, it works fine
[07:36] <t0f> irg == irq
[07:37] <edman007> t0f, just take the vesa config and set the driver to intel
[07:37] <t0f> edman007: i'll try that
[07:37] <Zordrak> do you ever suddenly feel the need to run into the street screaming "I LOVE SLACKWARE!!!!" ?
[07:38] <slackytude2> I got pills agains that now
[07:38] <Zordrak> no? just me then...
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[07:39] <Zordrak> i just wish i knew why it took me until only a fear or so ago to think about booting the install dvd with a vga= parameter
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[07:39] <Zordrak> s/fear/year/
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[07:40] <Zordrak> interesting
[07:41] <Zordrak> ext4 is now the default selection in the slack setup
[07:41] <slackytude> O_o
[07:41] <t0f> oh no
[07:41] <slackytude> that is interesting
[07:41] <Zordrak> very un-pat like IMO
[07:41] <t0f> Zordrak: aggreed
[07:42] <Zordrak> took a long time before ext3 was the default
[07:42] <Zordrak> maybe it's just a -current thing.. but i'd expect the -current choice to reflect the next release choice
[07:43] <t0f> stupid question: will extents ever be backported into ext3? or is that impossible
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[07:43] <Zordrak> i believe it inherently impossible/too hard to bother
[07:43] <t0f> i thought so
[07:44] <Zordrak> bugger ... the eternal question
[07:44] <kitche> Zordrak: well it will probably be ext4 for the next release since it's really just ext3 with added stuff on top of it
[07:44] <Zordrak> where to mount a permanent windows partition(s)
[07:44] <kitche> at least the author made it more like ext3 a bit
[07:44] <slackytude> I usually use /windows, cos Im lazy
[07:45] <Dr4kk4r> Giorno a tutti
[07:45] <straterra> eh?
[07:45] <slackytude> and a happy new year
[07:45] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc
[07:45] <straterra> english please
[07:45] <Zordrak> i like to use /mnt/windows or /mnt/<win-drive-letter> ... but if im always accessing in the /mnt is an asspain
[07:46] <t0f> i find it hard to mv all my data to ext4 (and not be able to re-mount as ext2/3)
[07:46] <kitche> I just use a symlink in home directory if I do mount it in a long path
[07:46] <straterra> that sounds like a personal problem
[07:46] <Zordrak> kitche: plan
[07:46] <straterra> plan what?
[07:47] <Zordrak> alias plan='that is a good plan'
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[07:47] <straterra> uhm..
[07:48] <straterra> Am I the only lost one?
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[07:48] <Zordrak> # Hi-ho, hi-ho.. a full-install is go..
[07:48] <Zordrak> straterra: yep
[07:48] <straterra> I don't think I am
[07:48] <straterra> You're making no sense
[07:49] <kitche> straterra: he asked about a good place to mount a windows partition and I said if it's a long path I just use a symlink in my home directory
[07:49] <slava_dp> i funally solved my flashplayer woes. it was calling libidn and was not checking if it actually exists -> segfault. zomg stupid program.
[07:49] <straterra> yes i know
[07:54] <t0f> am i wrong, but it seems like linux likes to run for days (if not weeks). what i mean is do you think it runs a bit better after a few days?
[07:54] <kitche> not really but it does purge a lot of boot stuff after a few days :)
[07:54] <Zordrak> t0f: ram use tends to stabilise over the first day or so
[07:54] <slackytude> slava_dp, heh, that is stupid
[07:55] <t0f> Zordrak: i thought there was something to it :)
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[07:56] <kr_eten> hi do you know for any repository for vim .spl files
[07:56] <t0f> gotta run, later all
[07:56] <kr_eten> for - about :)
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[07:58] <kitche> kr_eten: doesn't vim come with .spl files or not just in the language your looking for?
[07:59] <kr_eten> for my language i am finding only aap recipies
[07:59] <kitche> of course you can always generate .spl files from the .aff and .dic files that MySpell uses
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[07:59] <kr_eten> kitche, how? :)
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[07:59] <kr_eten> and what is myspell? is it included in slackware? :)
[08:00] <slackytude> think so
[08:00] <kitche> http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/spell.html it's number 3 on the list
[08:00] <kitche> if not you can grab the myspell dictionaries at wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries
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[08:02] <kr_eten> kitche, thanks, i have read some of this, but was wandering if there is already generated files.
[08:02] <kitche> don't think so
[08:02] <kr_eten> i will have to generate them
[08:03] <kr_eten> it is not such a problem
[08:03] <kitche> I wish amd's computers around hee did not use nforce motherboards ... oh well
[08:04] <kr_eten> dive, about the xchat problem i will try to recompile my kernel (it is not slackware one) and will see if the problem persists
[08:04] <Zordrak> i STILL dont get why rc.pcmcia is selected by default
[08:05] <slackytude> old school stuff
[08:05] <slackytude> they could take that out
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[08:11] <Zordrak> anyone know how i can query for the current fb video mode?
[08:11] <kitche> hmm not sure on linux
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[08:11] <Zordrak> fbset gives me all the info except the actual mode num
[08:11] <Zordrak> unless i just cant see it
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[08:13] <slackytude> this is gonna be put in the kernel
[08:13] <slackytude> I like that
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[08:22] <Zordrak> wtf
[08:22] <Zordrak> seems it's 842
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[08:22] <Zordrak> which isnt mentioned anywhere
[08:23] <Zordrak> i wish this shit could be standardised a little betther
[08:23] <Zordrak> *better
[08:26] <Zordrak> 842 = 0x34A = not seemingly defined anywhere
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[08:31] <Zordrak> Wow
[08:31] <Zordrak> KDE4 is GOOD!
[08:31] <slackytude> ^-^
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[08:31] <slackytude> lot of people say that
[08:31] <slackytude> lot of people say its crap, too
[08:31] <Zordrak> Konqueror 4 is GOOOOOD
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[08:32] <kitche>  don't mind kde4 really it's sort of liek Vista to me though lost in it
[08:32] <slackytude> Thats from the Due
[08:32] <slackytude> dude
[08:32] <slackytude> the Big Lewboskiw
[08:33] <Zordrak> It does seem a liitle overvistary... but i think it has been done thoughtfully and tastefully
[08:33] <slackytude> That rug really tied the room together.
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[08:34] <Zordrak> fyi.. my comments were pre-gfx-driver-install
[08:34] <Zordrak> just doing that now
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[08:46] <slava_dp> kde4 needs lots of mem, too. when i upgraded my 512 to a gigabyte last week it all started running faster.
[08:47] <slackytude> trx running vista with 500mb
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[08:48] <edman007> slackytude, death whish?
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[08:48] <edman007> *wish
[08:48] <slackytude> more like an masochistic impulse
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[08:50] <edman007> lol
[08:52] <dartmouth> how does one determine the CFLAGS and LIBS dir for a package they have installed?
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[08:57] <Camarade_Tux> dartmouth, afaik it's not possible unless something special has been used (pkg-config, ${YOUR_PKG}-config...)
[08:58] <slackytude> or a slackbuild
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[08:58] <slackytude> which is one of the reasons slackbuilds are good
[08:58] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, you have to read the build-scripts
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[08:58] <dartmouth> lovely.
[08:59] Action: dartmouth thinks there's something inherently flawed about an FHS that can allow situations where you're searching for stuff on your system. ever.
[08:59] <slackytude> FHS?
[09:01] <slackytude> Filesystem Hierarchy Standard?
[09:02] <dartmouth> ya
[09:03] <slackytude> and what are you searching?
[09:03] <dartmouth> avant-window-navigator
[09:03] <slackytude> there is no FHS clever enough to cope with foolish users, btw
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[09:04] <slackytude> dartmouth, you installed that as a package?
[09:04] <arny`> hi all
[09:04] <thumbs> arny`: all is not in today
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[09:04] <dartmouth> no, i compiled it from source.  I didn't say 'binary'.  sorry, must be my 'foolish use' coming out, and not a weakly enforced FHS.
[09:04] <arny`> hi thumbs :)
[09:04] <slackytude> in such cases I usually do a updatedb and do a locate
[09:05] <dartmouth> what am I looking for?
[09:05] <dartmouth> google returns just examples of supplying that variable during runtime and not necessarily what they're looking for
[09:06] <slackytude> huh?
[09:06] <dartmouth> $PKG-NAME_LIBS="" $PKG-NAME_CFLAGS=""
[09:06] <dartmouth> usually supplied with a ./configure
[09:06] <slackytude> ah, ok I didnt understand
[09:08] <booteco> guys, anyone knows what means that 'resume' in lilo.conf?
[09:09] <dartmouth> ok, so what am I looking for when identifying those directories when they need to be specified?
[09:09] <slackytude> booteco, hibernation stuff
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[09:09] <slackytude> dartmouth, I dont know what exaxtly you are doing
[09:09] <slackytude> no need to get crumpy, dude
[09:09] <dartmouth> lol
[09:09] <slackytude> and let me shirt go
[09:10] <dartmouth> it IS a nice shirt
[09:10] <slackytude> aye ^-^
[09:10] <dartmouth> this is making me nuts
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[09:11] <booteco> slackytude, thanks
[09:12] <slackytude> np
[09:13] <booteco> slackytude, man, do you know where can I put the image to back after hibernate?
[09:13] <slackytude> something like append="resume=/dev/hda3" in lilo.conf
[09:13] <slava_dp> booteco, your swap
[09:14] <slackytude> not to sure about it, you better google
[09:14] <dartmouth> slackytude: basically what I am doing is compiling a package from source, and it is looking for a dependency in the wrong place, so I have to specify it's location manually in the ./configure command, such as "AWN_LIBS=/path/to/avant-window-navigator-libs" and "AWN_CFLAGS=/path/to/whatever/this/is"
[09:14] <slackytude> dartmouth, thats not much fun
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[09:15] <dartmouth> slackytude: it would just be easier if i knew what the hell they meant by libraries and what the hell a cflag is
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[09:16] <slackytude> a cflag is a compile flag, #gentoo knows a lot about that sort of thing. and libs are usually in /lib or /usr/lib   thats like a .dll in windows
[09:16] <slackytude> well, usually
[09:17] <kitche>  http://tinyurl.com/cszsjd
[09:17] <kitche> bah ... did it again
[09:17] <kitche> don't bother with that link it's for siteuptime I hit my right click again
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[09:20] <booteco> ok, thanks for all
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[09:23] <esom> hello
[09:24] <esom> in lilo.conf, there's a vga=? line, how to caculate the value from a given resolution?
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[09:30] <agentc0re> esom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions
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[09:59] <Cryp71c> Sorry I got disconnected there, but its a good idea to retain your kernel source for other software's builds, yeah?
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[09:59] <kitche> Cryp71c: yes if you plan to build thigns that depend on the headers
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[10:02] <Cryp71c> kitche: ok, the only other big question I have is where I can read to determine which configurations options do what (and which ones are necessary for my hardware
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[10:24] <me_> i had a burning question
[10:24] <me_> it would have astounded you all
[10:24] <me_> i forget what it was
[10:24] <thrice`> omfg, the suspense
[10:24] Action: Old_Fogie hums the jeopardy music
[10:25] <Old_Fogie> hahah, hello all
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[10:25] <me_> whatup
[10:25] <edman007> hi
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[10:29] <me_> i got it!!!!!
[10:29] <me_> can i backup my routing table?
[10:29] <me_> i need to remove some entries that i think are slowing my name resolution but am scared it will destroy my connectivity
[10:30] <The-spiki> route -n > routing-table-2009.03.24
[10:30] <lostin> hello everyone, i'm trying to get wicd 1.5.9.tar installed first i tried installpkg command and it told me it couldn't because it wasn't a tgz... i then tried tar -zxvf wicd 1.5.9.tar and it extracted to lots of different directories but i don't know where to go from here
[10:30] <The-spiki> me_: ^^^
[10:30] <The-spiki> lostin: you need the wicd (slackware) package and not the (packaged) source
[10:31] <thrice`> lostin: you probably didn't download the slackware package
[10:31] <thrice`> http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-12.2/extra/wicd/wicd-1.5.6-noarch-2.tgz   try that
[10:31] <The-spiki> lostin: slackware 12.2 right?
[10:31] <lostin> the one in /extra was 1.5.6 so i downloaded the 1.5.9 from wicd's website
[10:31] <lostin> right 12.2
[10:31] <The-spiki> http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/patches/packages/wicd-1.5.9-noarch-1_slack12.2.tgz
[10:32] <me_> and The-spiki, if it buggers up what then? route add `echo routing-table-2009.03.24`   ?
[10:32] <lostin> The-spiki:  ahhh!  i think i see now :)
[10:32] <The-spiki> lostin: use slackware packages when available...
[10:32] <lostin> thank you, i feel dumb
[10:32] <lostin> haha
[10:32] <lostin> got ya, thank you so much
[10:32] <lostin> now the installpkg should work heh
[10:32] <The-spiki> lostin: yes
[10:33] <lostin> thank you The-spiki
[10:33] <The-spiki> me_: maybe i don't understand you
[10:33] Action: Zordrak has tears in his eyes.. "KDE4... it's soo..  beautiful"
[10:33] <slackytude> Zordrak, got fglrx now?
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[10:33] <The-spiki> me_: routing table may not be responsible with "slowing name resolution" as you describe it.... but the command i gave you is for "backing up the routing table"
[10:34] <slackytude> me_, if its really a slow dns, try using dnsmasq, it has a nice dns cache
[10:34] <me_> yes thanks. but how would i then restore it from this backup?
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[10:34] <me_> dnsmasq hmm?
[10:34] <slackytude> yes, dns cache + server + dhcp server
[10:34] <slackytude> its neat
[10:34] <The-spiki> me_: #1, state what the problem is... and how/what gave you impresion that it is "dns" or/and "routing" problem
[10:34] <Zordrak> slackytude: fglrx wont do the 8400GS any good :)
[10:34] <me_> all i know is i deffinately got speed problems
[10:35] <me_> i have 3 computers linked to a router
[10:35] <slackytude> Zordrak, oh, thought you said you'd do that
[10:35] <me_> 2 have high speed
[10:35] <The-spiki> me_: what kind of speed problems? give us more information not speculation
[10:35] <me_> this one (slackware) has very slow internet speed
[10:35] <me_> orry
[10:35] <The-spiki> cat /etc/resolv.conf on slackware
[10:35] <me_> connections over the internet
[10:35] <me_> same dns servers used on all 3 machines
[10:35] <The-spiki> see what your resolver (dns) for that box is
[10:36] <me_> opendns
[10:36] <The-spiki> check the other computers for their resolver
[10:36] <me_> same
[10:36] <me_> opendns
[10:36] <me_> 208.67.222.222
[10:36] <Old_Fogie> have you run a virus check?
[10:36] <The-spiki> are you 100% shure all of them use the same dns?
[10:36] <me_> its like the 2 others have 8mb broadband and this one is almost like dialup
[10:36] Action: Old_Fogie hides
[10:36] <The-spiki> are you 100% shure all of them use the same dns?
[10:36] <me_> yes
[10:36] <me_> all use opendns
[10:36] <Old_Fogie> hahah, was playing ISP tech support there :)
[10:36] <The-spiki> how did you check it on other computers?
[10:37] <slackytude> try turning it off and on again
[10:37] <The-spiki> me_: how did you check it on other computers?
[10:37] <me_> they are windows so i checked the internet properties of the NIC
[10:37] <Zordrak> "Colorado Farm" makes me want to cry.. it's so pretty
[10:37] <The-spiki> you set that staticaly? or from dhcp?
[10:37] <slackytude> me_, and are you sure its dns?
[10:37] <The-spiki> me_: you set that staticaly? or from dhcp?
[10:37] <slackytude> Zordrak, you very emotionaly today
[10:38] <me_> DNS on all 3 machines is static, all use static ip's
[10:38] <The-spiki> for some reason, i doubt your assumtions :)
[10:38] <The-spiki> ok. then on slackware do: route -n ... on windows do route print
[10:38] <The-spiki> since you assume it's routing (which in your case has almost nothing to do with dns)
[10:39] <me_> i don't assume that it's routing
[10:39] <The-spiki> [15:29] <me_> can i backup my routing table?
[10:39] <The-spiki> [15:29] <me_> i need to remove some entries that i think are slowing my name resolution but am scared it will destroy my connectivity
[10:39] <me_> i just have a routing table on this slackware machine that has entries that i have never seen before
[10:39] <me_> i thought i'd try it
[10:40] <The-spiki> pastebin some entries
[10:40] <The-spiki> me_: you might want to check traceroute
[10:40] <The-spiki> me_: from slackware traceroute some_ip (or hostname)
[10:41] <The-spiki> me_: from windows: tracert some_ip (or hostname)
[10:41] <me_> well, the plot thickens i think
[10:41] <The-spiki> notice it's tracert in win... you will see exactly what devices the packet travels
[10:41] <me_> i ran route -n from command line and it looked normal
[10:41] <Zordrak> slackytude: im just so overcome... ive spent my life as a command line jockey hating all the prettf OSes because of thir poor functionality and bad design and bad everything else.... but finally i can have slackware AND a desktop environment that is not only functional and well thought out but also really reallf pretty.. i never thought i'd see the day!
[10:41] <me_> it looks bizarre when i look at the routing table in webmin
[10:42] <The-spiki> traceroute from win and slackware. you will see exactly what devices the packet travels...
[10:42] <slackytude> Zordrak, the end is near -_-
[10:42] <slackytude> uh oh, webmin
[10:42] <Zordrak> obviously my servers will never leave runlevel 3 and will never run a WM other than fluxbox.... but for my working desktop.. i feel like neo
[10:42] <The-spiki> oh noh, webmin :)
[10:42] <The-spiki> (just kidding)
[10:42] <me_> heh
[10:43] <Zordrak> i feel in control and can finallf see the beauty of tho matrix
[10:43] <me_> ok hold on, let me boot into windows
[10:43] <slackytude> we got kde 4 at case lab and I wasnt that impressed
[10:43] <The-spiki> Zordrak: fluxbox on servers. whaaaaaat?
[10:43] <slackytude> The-spiki, why not?
[10:44] <Zordrak> The-spiki: for IF and when a WM is needed... 99% of the time theres no X
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[10:46] <The-spiki> well, it's your choice and maybe necessity. i just think it is unusual.
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[10:46] <Zordrak> I feel uncomfortable on this side of the fence... ive never been here before
[10:46] <Zordrak> i dont understand why some people hate kde4
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[10:53] <alienBOB> Zordrak: I love KDE4, you are going  to enjoy yourself a lot... a huge amount of functionality to explore
[10:53] <The-spiki> well, some "eary" adoptors experienced problems... apps missing etc
[10:54] <Zordrak> alienBOB: It IS fantastic isn't it!
[10:54] <Zordrak> alienBOB: it feels like the dawn of a whole new age
[10:54] <The-spiki> i don't hate it. just think 3.5 still better suits my needs and use that on majority of my desktops/laptops
[10:55] <hitest> alienBOB:  I'm looking forward to KDE4; I'll be running it on the next Slackware release.  It sounds very good indeed!
[10:55] <The-spiki> migration is inevitable but i feel no pressure to complete it now
[10:56] <chance22> I took alienBOB's advice and upgraded to -current on my Asus 1000H. I'm really impressed with KDE4 as well.
[10:56] <hitest> cool
[10:56] <Zordrak> the ONLY thing im having trouble with is finding where to configure things.. getting used to the layout.... but thats my problem not kde's
[10:56] <Zordrak> Im on current now for my work deskto.
[10:57] <Zordrak> and now theres FINALLY a sound driver for my home sound card im gonna put current on that too
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[10:58] <Zordrak> still need to find where to config KDM and work out what the deal is with anakondi
[10:58] <Zordrak> ahh... found kdm
[10:59] <Zordrak> damnnit..... i want oxyslack but it's 404
[11:00] <straterra> oxyslack?
[11:00] <Zordrak> kd[em] theme
[11:00] <hitest> bbl
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[11:01] <chance22> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/OxySlack?content=95698
[11:01] <Zordrak> click downlead
[11:01] <Zordrak> *load
[11:02] <chance22> Yes, I see what you mean.
[11:03] <Zordrak> i hate that no-one mirrors anything anymore... yes it saves space.. but when the original goes down your buggered
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[11:03] <Zordrak> *you're
[11:03] <straterra> Tons of stuff is mirrored
[11:04] <Zordrak> not USC
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[11:05] <Zordrak> trying GloxySlack
[11:06] <Zordrak> alienBOB: id be interested to know what themes/images you use
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[11:11] <Zordrak> I also think the move to dolphin for file management was inspired
[11:13] <slackytude> Zordrak, torrents
[11:15] <slackytude> nice theme
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[11:15] <slackytude> that oxyslack thing
[11:18] <Zordrak> ey?
[11:19] <slackytude> torrents replaced the mirror thing for a lot of stuff
[11:19] <slackytude> just like video killed the radio star
[11:19] <Zordrak> torrents?
[11:19] <slackytude> yeah
[11:19] <Zordrak> a theme?
[11:20] <slackytude> nah, forget it
[11:20] <Zordrak> i very confus-ed
[11:20] <slackytude> maybe Im talking to the wrong person and Im too lazy to scroll up
[11:20] <slackytude> oxyslack is nice, tho
[11:21] <Zordrak> are you talking about a theme called torrents or advising me to look for oxyslack as a torrent
[11:21] <slackytude> neither
[11:21] <slackytude> just saying oxyslack looks cool
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[11:21] <Zordrak> 15:19:17 < slackytude> torrents replaced the mirror thing for a lot of stuff
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[11:22] <slackytude> <Zordrak> i hate that no-one mirrors anything anymore... yes it saves space.. but when the original goes down your buggered
[11:22] <Zordrak> orite
[11:22] <slackytude> ^-^
[11:22] <Dominian> ooooo
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[11:23] <Zordrak> extra X session on F8... inspired!
[11:23] <Zordrak> now i just have to work out wtf to do about akonadi
[11:23] <slackytude> Zordrak, eh?
[11:24] <dimmerbold> anyone installed slackware on a recent Mac Pro?  There's a lot of info on the web, but too much is contradictory.  Has anyone here actually done it?
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[11:25] <sid77> dimmerbold: I haven't but I had the chance to take a look at those machines, what do you want to achive? only slack or multiple boot?
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[11:27] <dimmerbold> sid77: I was thinking only slack, but after reading at LQ.org, i decided to go dual boot. (Mac/Slack)  Apparently Mac releases firmware updates periodically that require OSX to install.
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[11:29] <sid77> dimmerbold: ok, dual boot is a little simpler :-P
[11:30] <me_> for the record, all of my machines were using opendns but i have changed this slackware machines dns to my isp and the speed is now much faster
[11:30] <me_> i shall change my windows dns server later and see if it speeds that up too
[11:31] <me_> so thanks The-spiki if yu're still here
[11:31] <dimmerbold> Yeah, I figured it might be easier.  I need to figure out if I should use bootcamp or rEFI
[11:31] <sid77> the most basic idea is to create a new partition using bootcamp, then do a normal slackware installation on it
[11:31] <sid77> exactly
[11:33] <sid77> you can even add a partition for swap, but I don't know how bootcamp handles logic partitions, so if one day you want to add windows to the mix, the scheme could became a little too narrow ;-)
[11:33] <dimmerbold> sid77: thanks.  I'm going to give it a shot right now.  This is a secondary box, so I can play around with it a little.
[11:33] <sid77> just another bit
[11:33] <sid77> take a look at the boot camp guide to install windows, it has really useful tips and things to avoid
[11:34] <dimmerbold> don't think I'll need swap...there's 4G mem on there.
[11:34] <dimmerbold> sid77: cool.  Thanks.
[11:34] <sid77> (like burning your osx install disk)
[11:34] <sid77> np
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[11:35] <pi31415> I think freenode is telling fibs
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[11:36] <me_> edman felt that wrath
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[11:58] <The-Croupier> hiya guys... if i connect with radmin somewhere...through cisco router...could it be the cisco or the radmin that cannot show the screen?
[11:58] <The-Croupier> of the remote computer?
[11:58] <The-Croupier> i can see a test pc next to me but not another one far from the building
[11:59] <The-Croupier> now its a little bit confused could it be nat,cisco, or radmin....
[12:00] <kitche> could be nat and cisco
[12:01] <Zordrak> there are too many bloody screensavers... i cant decide
[12:02] <me_> ahh the important things in life
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[12:03] <Zordrak> thing is... you have to pick one and if you dont want to bother about it in the future you have to pick the one that wont bug you
[12:04] <slackytude> I disable the ones I dislike and have the rest on random
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[12:04] <Zordrak> bah... i'll just use clock
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[12:04] <Zordrak> although i like xflame
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[12:06] <me_> use xflame
[12:06] <Zordrak> it's just not really designed for 1600x1200
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[12:07] <me_> i use nerverot
[12:07] <me_> but i also like xrayswarm
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[12:12] <Zordrak> damnnit
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[12:12] <Zordrak> im too used to knowing mwhat dialog boxes say and so closing them without reading
[12:13] <Zordrak> so i closed a message telling me compositing was disabled before learning why
[12:13] <Zordrak> screw you windows... you killed my ability to be a good user
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[12:14] <Zordrak> bugger... still off after a reboot
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[12:20] <alienBOB> Zordrak: I usually take one of my own photo shots as desktop backgrounds. Theming is wasted on me, KDE4 default theme is good enough
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[12:20] <alienBOB> And I install electricsheep as the screensaver, so that I spend a lot of time not doing anything at all
[12:21] <kr_eten> hi, how can i configure a printer (not hp) with slack current?
[12:21] <kr_eten> the printer stopped accepting jobs :(
[12:21] <alienBOB> Zordrak: KDE disables the compotitor of your desktop responsiveness becomes too slow
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[12:23] <Zordrak> oic
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[12:23] <kitche> kr_eten: depends on the maker of the printer
[12:24] <kr_eten> maker? xerox
[12:25] <kr_eten> it was installed and configured before i updated to current from 12.2 and now it seems that cups knows about it, but the printer does not accept tasks
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[12:38] <kr_eten> E [24/Mar/2009:18:38:06 +0200] [Job 4] The PPD version (135260472) is not compatible with Gutenprint 5.2.3.
[12:38] <kr_eten> that is one of the interesting things of the cupsd log
[12:38] <kr_eten> could it be a compatibility problem with an application?
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[12:42] <kr_eten> i might have found the problem
[12:42] <kr_eten> in the debug log of cupsd is written clearly that i have to reinstall all printers if i have upgraded gutenprint
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[12:44] <eddief2> I'm trying to join #python on FreeNode and it's not working with XChat - anyone verify
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[12:44] <Dominian> xchat is for wusses
[12:44] <Dominian> :)
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[12:45] <firebird619> eddief2: It works here.
[12:45] <thrice`> dartmouth: I doubt a specific channel is broken for only 1 client
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[12:46] <thrice`> er, eddief2 *
[12:46] <Dominian> tab completion: infinity   thrice`: 0
[12:46] <eddief2> Thanks firebird619 - I've joined other channels no problem - I try to join #python and nothing happens - doesn't appear in the list of channels
[12:46] <eddief2> thx thrice`
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[12:47] <Zordrak> damnnit Kopete.. let me use double-click for open instead of single
[12:47] <eddief2> Dominian, I'm a wuss until after lunch
[12:48] <dartmouth> eddief2: thats weird im just the opposite.  i get docile when I eat.
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[12:52] <eddief2> dartmouth, depends on what you eat - Turkey has tryptophane (sp?)
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[12:53] <dartmouth> im not sure.   i just know im vicious when im hungry and cuddly when im not
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[12:54] <kitche> wow CCIA is calling the IBM-SUN deal anticompetitive
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[12:55] <Dr4kk4r_> Sera a tutti
[12:55] <eddief2> Python question in #slackware because I can't get on #python - Any way to reference the last result - If I interactively type 2 * 3, how can I reference the result and use it
[12:56] <dartmouth> uhhh
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[12:57] <eddief2> dartmouth, huhhhngry?
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[12:58] <dartmouth> why aren't you able to join #python again?
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[12:58] <Zordrak> hmmm volemu output's a bit low on slack
[12:58] <dartmouth> because im in xchat and it came up fine
[12:59] <dartmouth> type this into your message box eddief2:  "/join #python"
[13:00] <eddief2> dartmouth, I'm on FreeNode, I retrieve the channel list, filter for python - see #python has 764 users - yet when I click on Join - nothing happens - when I click on python-fr I join
[13:00] <thrice`> just type /j #python  and see what it says
[13:00] <kitche> considering you need to be registered
[13:01] <dartmouth> yeah it loads right up for me
[13:01] <yht>  #python :You need to be identified to join that channel << you've to registered user
[13:01] <eddief2> thrice`, nothing happened
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[13:01] <kitche> eddief2: look at the server tab of your irc client it says in that
[13:01] <eddief2> I'm on #slackware - do I have to do something else to join #python?
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[13:01] <yht> eddief2, register yur nick first
[13:02] <dartmouth> eddief2: register your nick by typing this: "/query nickserv help"
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[13:02] <psychicist> kitche: what do you think? I downloaded the opensparc stuff yesterday whereas I never bothered before, because it might not be there anymore when the deal goes through
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[13:03] <eddief2> dartmouth, I'm new with irc - I typed "/query nickserv help" and got a blank window in xchat
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[13:03] <tank-man> black text on black background?
[13:04] <dartmouth> yes that is a bot that you will interact with eddief2 that will help you register your nick
[13:04] <dartmouth> just type 'help'
[13:04] <kitche> psychicist: meh ibm already has some of sun's stuff just their own version really
[13:04] <eddief2> grey window - no text
[13:05] <eddief2> dartmouth, Ahhh - I typed "help" and stuff showed up...
[13:06] <eddief2> WHAT!!!! I have to chose a username and a password!!! WTF!!!
[13:07] <tank-man> to register yes
[13:07] <NaCl> It's painless.
[13:07] <eddief2> I can't ask a python question without jumping thru hoops????
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[13:07] <kitche> it's to keep idiots out of their channel
[13:07] <dartmouth> "/kick eddief2:  *##slackware :You need to be a channel operator to do that"
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[13:08] <eddief2> Who's attacking python?  perl people?
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[13:09] <tank-man> you don't know the anonyminity+audience = idiots
[13:10] <tank-man> summed up by this web comic http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20040319h.jpg
[13:10] <eddief2> all the other channels I've joined don't require registering - electronics, hardware, circuits, kismet, wxwidgets...
[13:10] <yht> eddief2, it's channel owner rule. to join #phyton must be have a regstered nickname
[13:11] <eddief2> yht, OK - thanks all
[13:13] <eddief2> Any python people here who know if there is a way to reference the last result from an interactive session - If I type   3 * 5  <cr> any way for me to reference the result 15 and use it in the next expression  - I've tried "." and "*" and scanned pythong docs - haven't found it yet, if it is possible
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[13:13] <phrag> "< eddief2> Who's attacking python?  perl people?"
[13:13] <phrag> haha, like it
[13:14] <NaCl> eddief2: var = 5 * 3
[13:14] <NaCl> var + something_else
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[13:14] <eddief2> salt, anyway to simply reference the result of the previous command - something like "$_"
[13:15] <NaCl> There are alternative python shells, take a look at them.
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[13:19] <Zordrak> whats the right way to put skype on slack.... SBo?
[13:19] <Dominian> that would be my suggestion
[13:20] <dartmouth> Zordrak: did you have any luck with a webcam?
[13:20] <Zordrak> uh... wuh?
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[13:22] <dartmouth> oh.  i saw that you were wanting to skype and assumed you were using a cam
[13:22] <Zordrak> O_o
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[13:25] <tank-man> ive used 2 diff web cams under slackware
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[13:25] <tank-man> what was the problem?
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[13:28] <dartmouth> tank-man: oh, it was weird, and i never did see a resolution on google. it recognizes the camera and i would be able to cat /dev/video0 to get a signal, but it would be all scrambled
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[13:29] <dartmouth> for instance, in skype
[13:30] <tank-man> what program are you using to view the image from the web cam
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[13:30] <dartmouth> skype
[13:30] <tank-man> did you try mplayer?
[13:30] <dartmouth> i also had lucview
[13:30] <dartmouth> no i didn't
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[13:30] <dartmouth> luvcview sorry
[13:31] <tank-man> do you know if your webcam is supported under linux?
[13:32] <dartmouth> pretty sure it is
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[13:33] <dartmouth> i mean it recognized it, assigned a driver to it in dmesg and everything.  it hasn't been doing that since the upgrade to current, but i imagine it will again after i rebuild the kernel
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[13:33] <dartmouth> it seemed like a codec kind of thing...like maybe the driver was bad.  i haven't had a chance to look into it yet that much
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[13:34] <thrice`> if you built a custom driver, and upgraded your kernel, the driver will need to be rebuilt
[13:34] <tank-man> an example mplayer command  i just gooogled is :
[13:34] <tank-man> mplayer -cache 128 -tv driver=v4l:width=640:height=480:outfmt=i420:device=/dev/video1 -vc rawi420 -vo xv tv://
[13:34] <dartmouth> no, lord no, i'd have no idea how to write a driver.  i wish.
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[13:35] <dartmouth> oh.  i see what you're saying.  no, im not sure what the deal is there.  i'll prob be working on that next week
[13:36] <nullboy> i don't think he meant write a custom driver. if you built and external driver and then upgraded the kernel you need to rebuild the external driver
[13:37] <nullboy> and/an
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[13:42] <dartmouth> oh.  no, it just isn't being detected.  the last one was built in
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[13:43] <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/Stocks/Geitner.jpg
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[13:46] <nullboy> so i just fired up 2.6.29
[13:47] <straterra> See any lame tazmanian devils?
[13:47] <nullboy> ...and now i have two Tasmanian devils
[13:47] <straterra> heh
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[13:47] <straterra> With strap on beaks, right?
[13:47] <nullboy> yep
[13:47] <straterra> FAIL
[13:47] <nullboy> it's freaking me out
[13:47] <straterra> YOU GOT HACKED
[13:47] <nullboy> oh noez!
[13:48] <thrice`> nullboy: using KMS?
[13:48] <thrice`> mm, nevermind, I think slack's xorg is too ole
[13:48] <thrice`> old
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[13:48] <nullboy> i use the nvidia driver
[13:48] <straterra> nvidia ftw
[13:49] <nullboy> but with 2.6.29 i'm most interested in the fully enabled Master mode for mac80211 and nl80211
[13:49] <nullboy> i'll get it going later
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[13:50] <buttneck> hello gentlemen
[13:50] <buttneck> how would I enable my microphone under slackware 12?
[13:51] <dtanner> un-mute in alsamixer
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[13:52] <buttneck> dtanner, done and still not working
[13:52] <buttneck> dtanner, is there a modprobe i should do?
[13:53] <dtanner> not for a mic
[13:53] <dtanner> man sox
[13:53] <nullboy> buttneck: are you on a laptop?
[13:53] <buttneck> damn, ive un-muted everything within alsamixer and did an alsactl store and still nothing
[13:53] <buttneck> nullboy, nope, a desktop pc
[13:54] <Old_Fogie> buttneck, add your user to audio group?
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[14:06] <nachox> you might also have 2 sound cards and be routing the sound through the other one..
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[14:11] <Alan_Hicks> Dominian: ping
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[14:12] <Dominian> Alan_Hicks: pong
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[14:14] <Alan_Hicks> Dominian: You able to get in touch with fuzzbawl?
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[14:15] <Alan_Hicks> I sent him a drive for cardinal last week and was just wanting to make sure he got it.
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[14:18] <nachox> Dominian, i see you reverted to the old nick
[14:18] <Dominian> nachox: yes I did
[14:18] <Dominian> Alan_Hicks: let me see
[14:19] <Dominian> hrm.. he's not on Im
[14:19] <Dominian> let me try something else
[14:19] <Alan_Hicks> I just haven't seen him on IRC in awhile.  Only reason I ask you.
[14:19] <Dominian> Alan_Hicks: just popped in email to him
[14:20] <Dominian> Alan_Hicks: ahh he's around somewhere.. he was dealing with a major 'asterisk' issue couple of weeks ago
[14:20] <Dominian> if/when I get a blackberry.. I could just PIN him.. the bastage
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[14:22] <Chrysalis> anyone know why the 'Terminal' font is not available in X for konsole etc? (term14.pcf.gz) Its in my fonthpaths and everything and in xfontsel, but not available for gui apps.
[14:22] <antler> anyone else seeing high cpu usage with ntfs mounted partitions and ntfs-3g-2009.2.1-i486-1.tgz (from -current)?
[14:24] Action: antler converts all his ntfs partitions to ext3 :P
[14:25] <psychicist> what's ntfs? :P
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[14:26] <antler> ntfs = notta terrible filesystem :D
[14:26] <Alan_Hicks> antler: I can't really say that I have, but I don't really use NTFS anywhere. :-) For the record, that wouldn't surprise me much on some NTFS partitions.
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[14:27] <Chrysalis> antler, when thats happened to me it was usually famd problems, though slackware uses gamin now by default so no idea
[14:27] <Alan_Hicks> The bigger the partition and the more data on it, the higher I'd expect CPU load.  ntfs-3g uses fuse, which shoves the filesystem layer out of kernel space and into user space.  This necessitates the use of more CPU cycles.
[14:28] <nachox> antler, fuse sucks :P
[14:28] <antler> Alan_Hicks: yeah, that makes sense, but top's showing mount.ntfs-3g at 58% right now :(
[14:29] <Alan_Hicks> antler: Big partition with lots of files (and possibly lots of fragmentation?)
[14:29] <nachox> but i see it as a way to just migrate files to unix from windows
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[14:29] <jkwood> Or vice versa.
[14:30] <Alan_Hicks> Hell no.  FUSE rocks!
[14:30] <antler> Alan_Hicks: just defragmented, so i dunno. nachox : seriously going to convert as many partitions as i can....
[14:30] <jkwood> "The gf" has a 500 gig hard drive we keep movies on.  I rip them on my laptop, then put them on there.
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[14:31] <[cipher]> hal in 12.2, any idea about it?
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[14:31] <[cipher]> how to configure & install?
[14:32] <antler> jesus if only xp could read from reiserfs of ext3 without adding third party stuff....
[14:32] <stybla> i'm looking for somebody who knows Grub like his shoes.
[14:33] <[cipher]> stybla, i'm not that guy who knows grub like his shoes, but i guess i can help ;)
[14:34] <stybla> [cipher]: i'm just wondering what would be "replacement" for (hd0,0) when i'm booting from USB flash.
[14:34] <Alan_Hicks> Do boots count as shoes?
[14:34] <[cipher]> stybla, just a min
[14:34] <[cipher]> cuz i guess it's depend on the place where the usb is
[14:35] <[cipher]> it could be sdb1 or 2, or it could be sdc1 or 2
[14:35] <stybla> aha. hm. :\
[14:35] <jkwood> [cipher]: If you want to automount things with your user, you'll need to be in the plugdev group.
[14:35] <jkwood> Otherwise, it's simply a matter of installing hal and dbus.
[14:35] <[cipher]> how jkwood ?
[14:36] <stybla> [cipher]: ok, i'll poke around more. i have no problems with grub though, but with kernel params. and i somehow thought, they are getting passed from grub's settings.
[14:36] <stybla> [cipher]: root=/dev/hda2 <<< non-sense.
[14:37] <[cipher]> agree with you, gimme a tick to see what i can do
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[14:37] <jkwood> How to be in the plugdev group, or how to install hal and dbus?
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[14:38] <[cipher]> stybla, http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/USB_Based_FAQ
[14:38] <[cipher]> jkwood, both :)
[14:38] <[cipher]> stybla, http://www.pendrivelinux.com/testing-your-system-for-usb-boot-compatibility/
[14:39] <jkwood> Well, if you have slackpkg installed and a mirror selected in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors, installing hal/dbus is as simple as "slackpkg install hal dbus"
[14:40] <jkwood> I recommend ls /var/log/packages/dbus* and ls /var/log/packages/hal* to make sure that you don't already have them first, of course.
[14:40] <[cipher]> jkwood, slackpkg install hal dbus = no results, seems it's already installed
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[14:40] <[cipher]> yep, checking /var/ thing
[14:41] <[cipher]> stybla, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=992426
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[14:42] <stybla> [cipher]: yeah, i've read the last one ;) ok, i'll give the links shot. thx.
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[14:43] <jkwood> Okay... let me see now...
[14:43] <[cipher]> yw stybla :)
[14:44] <[cipher]> jkwood, there is some dbus and hal in my /var/log/packages
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[14:45] <antler> [cipher]: grep "plugdev" /etc/group
[14:46] <[cipher]> k
[14:46] <[cipher]> antler, plugdev:x:83:root
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[14:47] <antler> [cipher]: see the problem?
[14:47] <agentc0re|work> [cipher]: how di dyou create your user?
[14:47] <agentc0re|work> s/di dyou/did you
[14:48] <[cipher]> useradd i guess
[14:48] <[cipher]> or adduser :)
[14:48] <Oakenfold> pebrot
[14:48] <[cipher]> i don't remember
[14:48] <nullboy> someone didn't read the adduser prompts
[14:49] <jkwood> Well, since my memory is faulty as to how to do this the easy way, I recommend editing /etc/group and adding your user to plugdev (with ,yourusername)
[14:49] <agentc0re|work> [cipher]: Well there is a big difference in the two and how they can help you or make you type more.
[14:50] <nullboy> "Or press the UP arrow to add/select/edit additional groups"
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[14:51] <[cipher]> wait a sec, i gotta do brb for a while :|
[14:51] <[cipher]> thanks for all of you
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[14:57] Nick change: sberla54 -> sberla|out
[14:57] Nick change: sberla|out -> sberla54
[14:57] <sberla54> sorry
[14:58] <jkwood> Who you calling sorry?
[14:58] <straterra> URMOM
[14:58] <jkwood>  [ in bed ]
[14:59] <Alan_Hicks> And here we see the famous straterra wit that boils down to fart jokes and insults about "Your Mama".
[14:59] <jkwood>  [ in bed ]
[15:00] <Alan_Hicks> http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1461
[15:00] <straterra> URFACE, Alan_Hicks
[15:00] <Alan_Hicks> ^^^^ For all Your Mama jokes.
[15:00] <Dominian> haha
[15:00] <Dominian> Alan_Hicks: just do a search for "straterra"
[15:00] Action: Dominian shrugs
[15:01] <jkwood> I had a friend on a drama team that was sensitive to mom jokes because her mother had died when she was little.  It's become fashionable in my private circle now to make Caroline's mom jokes.
[15:02] <Alan_Hicks> You people are all going to hell.
[15:02] <jkwood> ...not sure why I felt like sharing that.
[15:03] <jkwood> All of a sudden, 200 people on the internet think I'm a jerk, in addition to insane.
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[15:03] <straterra> Alan_Hicks: so?
[15:04] <eviljames> jkwood: I actually think that's the right thing to do.
[15:04] <Alan_Hicks> jkwood: It's not that bad.  I'm sure only 20 or so people will ever see it, unless it gets noobfarmed.
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[15:04] <straterra> I noobfarmed URMOM
[15:04] <eviljames> jkwood: I mean, if she'd cry because you made fun of her to her face, you simply HAVE to move it to a private forum.
[15:04] <eviljames> btw, Caroline's mom was a whore.
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[15:07] <jkwood> Well... Most of our in-jokes are just utterly ridiculous things and fantastic exaggerations.  So it makes sense in context.
[15:07] <Lord_Khelben> hello everyone
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[15:09] <Alan_Hicks> jkwood: It was very wrong for you to make "Caroline's Mom" jokes about Caroline's dead whore mother.
[15:09] <Alan_Hicks> She can't help it that her skank mom is dead.
[15:10] <nullboy> lol
[15:10] <Alan_Hicks> Unless of course she killed her, in which case she's completely to blame for making our streets a more family-orienteed atmosphere at night.
[15:10] <jkwood> >_<
[15:11] Action: Alan_Hicks is going to hell as well.
[15:11] <Camarade_Tux> jkwood, yeah, you're a jerk !
[15:11] <jkwood> Alan_Hicks: It's the whiskey talking.
[15:12] Action: mikk0 drinks
[15:12] <tewmten> http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3104/1221227351799rv6.jpg
[15:12] <Alan_Hicks> jkwood: So no Caroline's dead whore mother is an alcoholic too?  Will you ever stop bad mouthing this poor crack ho?
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[15:13] <tewmten> whores? where?
[15:13] <tewmten> =)
[15:15] Nick change: b00jit -> boojit
[15:15] <Camarade_Tux> well, we have two or three canonical answers for such questions, I'll avoid saying them however...
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[15:16] <jkwood> I'm sorry, the answer we were looking for is "#debian"
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[15:18] <tewmten> =)
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[15:19] <stybla> bitches?
[15:20] <stybla> tewmten: stop highlighting me :)
[15:20] Action: stybla pokes tewmten 
[15:20] <tewmten> ah yes, good ole debian and it's fancy apt installing new kernels in the bootloader without any notification causing the server to start the wrong kernel during an unexpected reboot
[15:20] <tewmten> unexpected reboot meaning the windows-guy pulled out the cable from the wrong server..
[15:21] <eviljames> tewmten: That is just piles and piles of fail.
[15:21] <stybla> ok tewmten, do you want to get biatchslapped now, or later on? please, don't say debian - it hurts :(
[15:21] <Lord_Khelben> i was messing with dmcrypt and have a (maybe stupid) question. (sorry to spoil you conversation :) )
[15:22] <tewmten> oh ask away, im not talking about anything of importance anyway =)
[15:22] <Lord_Khelben> if we have sdaX -> encrypted -> lvm -> home,usr,whatever
[15:22] <Lord_Khelben> will rc.S catch it ?
[15:22] <Lord_Khelben> i see it scans for lvm and then it sets up crypt volumes
[15:23] <Lord_Khelben> just asking out of curiosity
[15:23] <nullboy> i have to use an initrd so luks will prompt me for my password
[15:23] <alienBOB> Lord_Khelben: if you create an initrd, it will be OK
[15:23] <nullboy> using the -C option
[15:23] <tewmten> yeah exactly, initrd that shit outta' that lvm bitch!
[15:24] <tewmten> the shit*
[15:24] <Lord_Khelben> yes i am going to try raid->crypt->lvm so i will use a initramfs
[15:24] <Lord_Khelben> but i thought to ask
[15:25] <Lord_Khelben> if someone has a normal partition for / and tries the setup i mentioned above, i think without a initramfs, rc.S won't mount home,usr,whatever
[15:25] <nullboy> Lord_Khelben: you're not booting to the encrypted LVM?
[15:25] <eviljames> Lord_Khelben: According to the channel rules, the etiquette is that if you have a question that is on-topic (like yours was), the off-topic stuff is to be silenced.  for future reference ;)
[15:25] <straterra> eviljames: URMOM
[15:26] <eviljames> straterra: NOURS.
[15:26] <Lord_Khelben> eviljames: it is a imaginary/rhetorical/whatever question
[15:26] <jkwood>  [ in bed ]
[15:26] <nullboy> pillow talk
[15:26] <eviljames> jkwood: urs2
[15:26] <Lord_Khelben> nullboy: my imaginary setup is sda1=/ , sda2=encrypted then lvm then /home,/usr
[15:26] <tewmten> eviljames: etiquette is for your mom!
[15:26] <tewmten> ;D
[15:26] <eviljames> Lord_Khelben: heh, fair enough, but you included an apology of spoiling the convo.  Next time, don't.
[15:27] <Lord_Khelben> eviljames: i was joking there
[15:27] <Camarade_Tux> what I love most about ##slackware is that it's one of the most brilliant and one of the dumbest channel at the same time :p
[15:27] <eviljames> haha
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[15:27] <eviljames> Lord_Khelben: I don't believe in jokes.
[15:27] <jkwood> Sorry, the signal to noise ratio in the channel was increasing.  I had to restore balance to the force.
[15:27] <eviljames> INTERNT SRS BZNESS
[15:28] <eviljames> jkwood: Bless your soul, good sir.
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[15:30] <fred> :q
[15:30] <fred> oops
[15:30] <fred> -ENOTVIM
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[15:31] <sloin> how can I restart audio driver ? modprobe ?
[15:31] <jkwood> Hmm... great noobfarming today.
[15:32] <sloin> browser flash sometimes screws it
[15:32] <Camarade_Tux> sloin, lsmod | grep alsa, then modprobe -r ${the_modules}
[15:32] <eviljames> sloin: yea, that'll do it.  modprobe -r, followed by modprobe (iirc)
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[15:32] <Camarade_Tux> (and yeah, modprobe then back of course >< )
[15:32] <Camarade_Tux> *them
[15:33] <tewmten> and then cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
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[15:33] <Camarade_Tux> well, time to slack somewhere else, see you :)
[15:33] <tewmten> but i guess OSS isnt really used these days
[15:33] <sloin> no alsa in lsmod
[15:33] <Camarade_Tux> tewmten, hmmm, I'd really like to do that :p
[15:33] <tewmten> go for it!
[15:33] <tewmten> sloin: lsmod | grep snd
[15:33] <tewmten> unless you have the audio drivers compiled in to the kernel
[15:33] <Camarade_Tux> tewmten, right, they're prefixed with "snd", my bad !
[15:34] <tewmten> yes, your bad
[15:34] <tewmten> you're bad
[15:34] <tewmten> very bad
[15:34] <tewmten> go to your room young man!
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[15:34] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, punish me !
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[15:34] <sloin> could it be "soundcore              10080  2 snd "
[15:34] <sloin> ?
[15:35] <tewmten> could be
[15:35] <sloin> snd_hwdep              10756  1 snd_hda_intel
[15:35] <tewmten> but it seems to be using two other modules also
[15:35] <Camarade_Tux> tewmten, he, that actually sounds nearly nice :)
[15:35] <Lord_Khelben> snd_hda_intel is the main module
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[15:35] <tewmten> Camarade_Tux: it's what the kids call "experimental"
[15:35] <tewmten> :D
[15:36] <Camarade_Tux>  <3
[15:36] <Camarade_Tux> it's surprising how it's repetitive, urandom probably isn't that random after all...
[15:37] <sloin> tewmten, http://pastebin.ca/1370824   take a look please...it's hard to google it
[15:37] <Lord_Khelben> sloin: snd_hda_intel
[15:37] <tewmten> hm
[15:37] <tewmten> yeah what Lord_Khelbeneleblenelbelnle said
[15:37] <sloin> thanks
[15:37] <slava_dp> /boot/vmlinuz sounds much better than /dev/urandom, mind you! :-)
[15:38] <tewmten> but also i think you might need to rmmod other modules also
[15:38] <Lord_Khelben> usually it isn't needed. the other are alsa core modules
[15:38] <Camarade_Tux> sound is built-in here
[15:38] <tewmten> ah ok
[15:38] <sloin> FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel is in use .... even if I used --force
[15:38] <Lord_Khelben> sloin: have you closed the browser ?
[15:39] <Lord_Khelben> if the flash plugin grabbed the card
[15:39] <tewmten> i dunno.. i usually rmmod them all if i have troubles, to easier find the problem
[15:39] <Lord_Khelben> then you can't rmmod the module
[15:39] <sloin> yes, there is nothing what might use it
[15:39] <Lord_Khelben> sloin: lsof -n |grep snd
[15:39] <Lord_Khelben> you will something like pcmC0D0P0
[15:39] <Camarade_Tux> he, Bender's Big Score is funny to hear :)
[15:39] <Lord_Khelben> something like that
[15:39] <tewmten> yeah you probably have some app still trying to use it
[15:39] <Lord_Khelben> that application is using the card
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[15:40] <Camarade_Tux> well, really slacking somewhere else now :)
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[15:42] <sloin> Lord_Khelben, yeah, the arts daemon itself
[15:43] <sloin> deserves to be killed
[15:43] <Lord_Khelben> sloin: there is a setting in the kde control center
[15:43] <sloin> I know
[15:43] <alienBOB> sloin: you could safely stop using arts altogether. It offers little or nothing over plain ALSA
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[15:43] <Lord_Khelben> that tells the arts daemon to release the card after X seconds
[15:43] <Lord_Khelben> after kde uses it to play some sounds
[15:44] <sloin> but it is screwed
[15:44] <sloin> I stop it through the settings manager
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[15:47] <sloin> wow, after modprobe it back, and enabling back the arts..no sound at all
[15:47] <tewmten> well, i guess that did the trick then?
[15:47] <tewmten> :D
[15:48] <Lord_Khelben> sloin: when you modprobe a alsa module
[15:48] <Lord_Khelben> the mixers are muted by default
[15:48] <Lord_Khelben> try alsamixer
[15:48] <Lord_Khelben> and see if that is the case
[15:48] <sloin> :) yes, now I feel quite happy :)
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[15:48] <sloin> no, alsamixer is ok
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[15:49] <Lord_Khelben> weird. does aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav output sound ?
[15:51] <sloin> no
[15:51] <Lord_Khelben> any error message ?
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[15:51] <tewmten> shutdown any process using sound, rmmod all sound modules
[15:51] Nick change: arcaos_ -> arcaos
[15:51] <tewmten> reload the snb module
[15:51] <tewmten> start arts
[15:52] <tewmten> see if that helps.. that usually does the trick for me
[15:52] <tewmten> snd*
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[15:53] <sloin> tewmten, man I'd rather reboot pc
[15:53] <sloin> kernel: HDA Intel 0000:00:1b.0: PCI INT A disabled
[15:53] <sloin> HDA Intel 0000:00:1b.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
[15:53] <tewmten> sure, that'll probably sort it out as well
[15:53] <slava_dp> alsactl restore
[15:53] <tewmten> imma go watch some tv
[15:53] <tewmten> good luck
[15:53] <tewmten> *bbl*
[15:53] <sloin> after trying the sample wav
[15:54] <HesitaTE> Have anyone of you guys, ever built gnome from source? not GnomeSlackBuild or whatever, but from source
[15:54] <Dominian> yep
[15:54] <sloin> slava_dp, yes, it did the trick :)
[15:54] <Dominian> its a pain in the ass
[15:54] <Dominian> cause as you're building, you realize you need a lot of dependencies
[15:54] <HesitaTE> Dominian, how painful was it
[15:54] <Lord_Khelben> sloin: that command restores then mixer levels. then it was muted as i told you
[15:55] <Dominian> HesitaTE: wasn't really "painful" other than the fact of finding ALL the requires you need to make it work
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[15:55] <sloin> but in alsamixer it was not
[15:55] <HesitaTE> Dominian, but when you had all those dependecies, was it an easy task then?
[15:55] <sloin> any difference in setting alsamixer as root or user ?
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[15:55] <Dominian> HesitaTE: yeah
[15:55] <HesitaTE> Cool
[15:56] <Dominian> HesitaTE: If you do go through with it, documentation.. document everything you have to do
[15:56] <Dominian> Will make your life easier
[15:56] <Lord_Khelben> HesitaTE: if you know the order then itsn't difficult and each app doesn't take long too
[15:56] <Dominian> yeah and Gnome's site does list a build order somewhere
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[15:56] <Lord_Khelben> first time i did it i had all 6 ttys open :) app A needed B,C. B needed C and D etc
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[15:57] <HesitaTE> It's a shame really that slackware 12.2 doesn't include it natively
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[15:58] <jkwood> HesitaTE: GnomeSlackBuild *is* building from source.
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[15:58] <jkwood> Guided building from source, but building from source nonetheless.
[15:58] <jkwood> And no, it's not a shame.
[15:58] <jkwood> If it did, we wouldn't HAVE Slackware 12.2 yet.
[15:59] <Lord_Khelben> there was much discussion for it sometime ago. i think it was a hassle to maintain and there were 3-4 gnome projects for slack at that time
[15:59] <jkwood> It's a huge hassle to maintain.
[15:59] <Lord_Khelben> i think that was the reason it got removed but don't take my word to it
[15:59] <Lord_Khelben> i may remember wrong
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[15:59] <slava_dp> slackware is much better off without gnome.
[15:59] <HesitaTE> so what *DE do you use?
[15:59] <straterra> It was removed because it was a pain in the ass for Pat to maintain and package
[15:59] <slava_dp> and the download size is less :)
[16:00] <jkwood> I personally prefer KDE 4.  I have xfce on my other laptop, and I've used fluxbox and various others on various occasions.
[16:00] <Lord_Khelben> i use xfce for sometime now and i used to use windowmaker
[16:01] <HesitaTE> Windowmaker looks really oldish, atleast from the screenshots i've seen
[16:01] <slava_dp> kde4 @home, xfce 4.4.3 on the laptop :-)
[16:01] <Lord_Khelben> i tested kde4.2.1 for some days but i had frequent plasma crashes so i returned to xfce
[16:01] <Lord_Khelben> HesitaTE: default windowmaker looks a bit ugly but if you mess with it, it can become very beautiful and with dockapps useful
[16:02] <slava_dp> is e17 any good?
[16:02] <straterra> I like E17
[16:02] <HesitaTE> what differs E17 from like Fluxbox or pekwm?
[16:03] <DeeeeP> a lot
[16:03] <Lord_Khelben> you can see some screenshots or try a e17 livecd
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[16:03] <Lord_Khelben> it isn't easy to say what A differs from B
[16:03] <straterra> Or use my build scripts for E17 in Slack
[16:04] <slava_dp> straterra, and where are your build scripts located? :)
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[16:04] <straterra> http://s17.fuhell.com/devel-snapshot.tar.gz
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[16:05] <Lord_Khelben> you gave me something to do :)
[16:05] <slava_dp> that's a lot of stuff in there
[16:05] <straterra> I haven't updated them in a while..but..they should still work
[16:06] <Lord_Khelben> i remember an early snapshot i tried, it was lightning fast. even faster than windowmaker
[16:07] <slava_dp> straterra, and you don't want to submit that to SBo?
[16:07] <straterra> It won't get approved
[16:07] <straterra> The scripts don't follow how they like them to be
[16:07] <straterra> so, I just host them myself
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[16:08] <agentc0re|work> So i had a problem with one of my servers, and now 2 files i either need to set perms on or remove wont let me do either.  ls -lh shows question marks for perms and owner/group.  I can't rm -rf or chmod.  Any suggestions?
[16:08] <straterra> I should add S17 to http://fuhell.com/index.php/projects
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[16:12] <nullboy> agentc0re|work: does ls --inode show you the inode numbers?
[16:12] <agentc0re|work> no, says permission denied.
[16:13] <slava_dp> i would run fsck if i were you.
[16:13] <nullboy> what filesystem is it?
[16:13] <agentc0re|work> jfs.
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[16:13] <nullboy> i only use ext3 here
[16:13] <agentc0re|work> slava_dp: I actually had to do that before i mounted it.
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[16:13] <Dominian> ext4 is in the installer now
[16:13] <agentc0re|work> I'll rerun it.
[16:13] <agentc0re|work> the fsck that is.
[16:14] <nullboy> Dominian: until there is a solid answer and fix for the powerloss fs corruption issues i'm sticking to ext3
[16:14] <Dominian> good point
[16:14] <slava_dp> they look like orphan files to me. fsck should help.
[16:14] <agentc0re|work> nullboy: I swear i saw a fix for that, or was it just an explanation..  I don't remember.
[16:15] <slava_dp> reiserfs ftw
[16:15] <Lord_Khelben> there was a quick hack and a fix will follow
[16:15] <Lord_Khelben> the fix will be in 2.6.30 i think
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[16:16] <agentc0re|work> bah!, superblock is corrupt.
[16:17] <Lord_Khelben> supposedly it isn't a bug. it happens due to the delayed allocation that xfs and other fs have
[16:19] <Necos> and i just upgraded to 2.6.29 about an hr ago...
[16:19] <Necos> good thing i only use ext3 >.>
[16:19] <Dominian> zomg cutting edge kernel
[16:19] <Dominian> argh
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[16:20] <taub> helo, how can i display japanese filenames? I have some on my windows partition, but they dont show up when i mount it
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[16:25] <edman007> taub, if you are using the ntfs stuff in the mainline kernel just read `man mount` and look at the options, there are a few for dealing with the character encoding
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[16:26] <taub> thx
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[16:28] <nullboy> gigabit ethernet saturates my poor laptop's disk i/o
[16:29] <inetic> hi there, I have tried to install slackware using usb on a cd-less device (www.linutop.com) but it seems like the bios (or whatever does it) doesn't recognize that the usb is bootable and goes on booting from hdd. what is wierd is that I have tried this same thing with an usb bootable image from www.archlinux.com and it seemed to work, can someone please help with this?
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[16:30] <nullboy> inetic: how did you create your bootable slackware install stick?
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[16:30] <inetic> nullboy, dd bs=512 if=usbboot.img of=/dev/sdb
[16:31] <nullboy> ok
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[16:33] <inetic> these are the differences I have notied: the image from archlinux uses grub and when the image is written on the stick i can see /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1 while (I think) the slackware image is using lilo and there is only /dev/sdb partition, could some of this cause problems?
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[16:36] <edman007> inetic, how old is the system? and did you go in the BIOS to check and make sure the USB was the first device (or alternatively, pull up the boot menu)
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[16:38] <inetic> edman007, I got the HW for xmass from  my gf :-), the version of slacware I used is 12.2, and I also checked the boot priority couple of times but everything looked good (booting from USB-HDD)
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[16:39] <AbortRetryFail> I just thought of something weird.
[16:39] <edman007> hmm..
[16:39] <inetic> I also checked md5's and they seemed goot as  well
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[16:39] <edman007> inetic, uhh, give up and use a CD?
[16:39] <AbortRetryFail> I wonder if anyone made an emulation layer that allows a linux binary for one arch to run on linux for a different arch but the same OS...
[16:40] <AbortRetryFail> like running x86 linux binaries on a SPARC or PPC linux system
[16:40] <inetic> edman007, it's a diskless device, my next best chance is using PXE
[16:40] <edman007> AbortRetryFail, Apple did it in OSX...
[16:40] <AbortRetryFail> edman007: yeah, so it's not impossible.
[16:40] <AbortRetryFail> I'm just curious if anyone has done it.
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[16:41] <AbortRetryFail> or rather made one for linux.
[16:41] <Pig_Pen> so people can run os9/PPC stuff in osx/intel
[16:41] <antler> inetic: if you give edman007 your mailing address, he'll gift wrap one of his dvd drives and mail it to you. free of charge.
[16:41] <AbortRetryFail> Pig_Pen: also so they can run osx/PPC on osx/intel
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[16:41] <Pig_Pen> :0
[16:41] <psychicist> AbortRetryFail: it's called qemu, it consist of both full and userspace emulation
[16:42] <edman007> Pig_Pen, it can run osx/PPC apps on osx/intel, and it can run os9/ppc on osx/ppc
[16:42] <antler> inetic: (and the dvd would be included, of course)
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[16:42] <AbortRetryFail> psychicist: qemu does userspace? that's awesome.
[16:43] <AbortRetryFail> i thought it was just full system emulation.
[16:43] <psychicist> or transitive if you need something commercially supported with good performance
[16:43] <edman007> Pig_Pen, basically they just fire up a VM and run the exe inside the VM, and let that talk to the running kernel and communicate to the outside world through most of the normal APIs
[16:43] <inetic> antler, I'm not sure if that aint a joke, but if not then still, I would like to try the pxe boot first, thanks though
[16:43] <AbortRetryFail> nah i just wanna run a x86 binary on my sparc box :)
[16:43] <edman007> AbortRetryFail, anyways, qemu will run ppc on intel, but for that you have to have a full blown OS in there
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[16:43] <AbortRetryFail> ah yeah that's what i dont want to do.
[16:43] <psychicist> AbortRetryFail: I wanna be able to run x86 binaries on sparc/arm/mips/ppc etc. if needed ;)
[16:44] <AbortRetryFail> because some companies (like dropbox) have binary only stuff for x86
[16:44] <psychicist> edman007: that is actually not true if the binaries are built for the same OS
[16:44] <edman007> and the reason its not done much is because it is a LOT of work to make it work, since the PPC apps may expect other apps to be running on the same CPU, which makes it really hard
[16:44] <psychicist> so you can have linux user emulation on linux, bsd on bsd and osx on osx
[16:45] <antler> inetic: don't thank me, ;)
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[16:45] <Pig_Pen> Linux needs to kidnap some Mac developers and lock them in a basement with a PC & some Linux distros for a year
[16:46] <Pig_Pen> several PCs, x86 & x86_64
[16:46] <edman007> psychicist, what>
[16:46] <edman007> ?
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[16:46] <AbortRetryFail> Pig_Pen: somehow i don't think that will work as expected ;)
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[16:47] <psychicist> edman007: qemu has userland emulation too, those are the qemu-$ARCH binaries while the complete system emulators are called qemu-system-$ARCH
[16:47] <Pig_Pen> some will make a Super*Nix that will run everything from every Linux distro & every BSD & Solaris & OSX
[16:47] <psychicist> so you can just run PPC Linux binaries on say x86 Linux
[16:48] <edman007> ahh, yea, i just said qemu will emulate most of the CPUs in software mode...which it will do, how to set it up, well i haven't tried :)
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[16:49] <edman007> oh...it will do it such that the PPC binary can talk directly to the host kernel?
[16:49] <AbortRetryFail> http://www.nongnu.org/qemu/status.html damn
[16:49] <edman007> how do syscalls work?
[16:49] <psychicist> I'm going to try that soon, I hadn't actually built it for non-x86 architectures until now. I'm glad its buildable with gcc4 nowadays, so it will probably take a lot less effort to get things to work
[16:50] <AbortRetryFail> sparc64 here... :/
[16:50] <psychicist> there's probably a thin layer that translates syscalls from PPC to x86 and calls the host kernel's
[16:50] <AbortRetryFail> psychicist: all you'd have to do is re-arrange the call stack and fix endianness right?
[16:51] <edman007> AbortRetryFail, in theory, yes, but it is way more complicated than that
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[16:52] <antler> "ÎQÏ@¿ÏGÏNÏA·ÏCµ") character display fail in terminal....
[16:52] <AbortRetryFail> of course, things always are
[16:52] <jkwood> reset
[16:53] <psychicist> AbortRetryFail: I'm going to bring my sparc systems to life again soon, I haven't actually looked at the code for a while so I can't really tell how they do it
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[16:53] <AbortRetryFail> psychicist: according to the qemu website sparc64 isn't supported as a host
[16:53] <AbortRetryFail> :/
[16:53] <AbortRetryFail> bbl going home. thanks for the help guys!
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[16:54] <Necos> meow~~
[16:54] <edman007> the endianness comes in to play a lot when you have C code that references stuff using a union, and thus simple things like a cast will fundamentally change it, because the order of the bits change the end of data changes, a pointer on PPC might refer to the next two bytes or the next 4 bytes, and when converting the endianness you need to know that (which probably got optimized out), since that data on intel will need to add/subtract two o
[16:54] <edman007> r four from the pointer to convert it
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[16:54] <psychicist> AbortRetryFail: I'll try anyway if I get the chance
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[16:55] <psychicist> AbortRetryFail: it doesn't work on mips either, that's my first priority to get fixed
[16:55] <AbortRetryFail> what've you got running mips?
[16:55] <AbortRetryFail> some embedded systems?
[16:55] <edman007> its not bad if its staying all on one side of the VM, but if you need to pass a pointer through the VM you have to know where the end of the data the pointer points to actually is, and the binary code often does not include that information
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[16:55] <AbortRetryFail> edman007: yeah that sounds like it would get ugly as hell
[16:55] <psychicist> AbortRetryFail: slackware port to little-endian mips (loongson)
[16:56] <AbortRetryFail> oh holy crap that would rock.
[16:56] <AbortRetryFail> I've got an old thinclient that needs some slack love.
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[17:00] <antler> Dr4kk4r_: salva old cologne from le 80s?
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[17:07] <pi31415> I ran aide twice.  The first time it reported that a file had changed.  The second time it reported that all files match.
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[17:11] <rg3> hi guys, after rebooting today for kernel 2.6.29 and for the first time since the last upgrades, i'm experiencing this problem: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258442
[17:11] <rg3> there, they say module-init-tools 3.6 is at fault; anybody experiencing the same problem?
[17:12] <Pig_Pen> linux ? 2.6.29
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[17:23] <rworkman> rg3: did you try this patch to m-i-t? http://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=181843&action=view
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[17:24] <rworkman> rg3: it's on my TODO to look at soon, for what it's worth.  I saw that report a few days ago, but I'd hoped to wait for a new m-i-t release, as it has some other changes that I want to get in
[17:24] <thrice`> new m-i-t release?  those happen? :)
[17:25] <rworkman> Sure :)
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[17:26] <Tyrael> hiya rworkman
[17:27] <rworkman> Tyrael: ola
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[17:27] <Tyrael> dropline-gnome is going to look nice :P
[17:28] <rworkman> I'll take your word for it :)
[17:28] <thumbs> I won't try it.
[17:29] <Tyrael> to much pam in it thumbs ?
[17:30] <thumbs> it'll replace xorg
[17:30] <thumbs> I feel it taints my installation, and I hate gnome to being with.
[17:30] <Tyrael> no it doesnt replace xorg
[17:31] <Tyrael> we use slacks xorg packages
[17:31] <rworkman> DLG hasn't replaced xorg since Slackware 11.0 or 12.0 (I don't recall which one for sure)
[17:31] <Tyrael> think it was 11
[17:31] <rworkman> 11 sounds right
[17:32] <Tyrael> we rebuild mozilla on top of xulrunner
[17:32] <Tyrael> we upgrade glib2, gtk to meet the minimum requirments
[17:32] <Tyrael> and about 10 other packages need that upgrade
[17:32] <Tyrael> and rest are packages non shipped with slackware
[17:33] <thumbs> I guess some folks still like gnome
[17:33] <rworkman> Well, afk for me; later all
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[17:43] <lostin> i just installed wicd 1.5.9 on slackware 12.2 i have still yet to get my wireless working
[17:44] <lostin> i have broadcom bcm4312 in a hp dv4-1225 notebook
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[17:44] <kitche> lostin: what made you think wicd would get your wireless working you need to install the firmware for one thing
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[17:45] <tank-man> wicd is just a frontend
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[17:46] <lostin> ya, i did suspect that sorry i am new to linux though
[17:46] <lostin> the reading i did i was hoping it would get it fixed, i was hoping the firmware would of been already installed with the kernal
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[17:48] <lostin> i ran lspci -nnv would the information givin there be of help?
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[17:49] <tank-man> yes, you can use that output to help you find out if your network card is supported
[17:50] <dissocia1ive> I need to generate random numbers
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[17:51] <jkwood> dissocia1ive: One second, I can help with that.
[17:52] <jkwood> How many random numbers?
[17:52] <tank-man> something like this might work: dd if=/dev/random of=/home/user/test.file bs=20 count=1
[17:52] <kitche> hmm I m not use to the new vmware server ....
[17:52] <kitche> it's the web only one now
[17:53] <dissocia1ive> all random numbers that I can get...
[17:54] <tank-man> you want those random numbers sorted too :)
[17:54] <dissocia1ive> it is possible to take an integer from /dev/random and then convert it to decimal ascii
[17:54] <tank-man> echo {0..9}{0..9}{0..9}{0..9}
[17:54] <lostin> i found my wireless information in there i don't see anything that would tell me if it's supported
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[18:00] <jkwood> dissocia1ive: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/11282
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[18:01] <jkwood> Save that as randomnumbers.c, gcc randomnumbers.c -o rng, then run it.
[18:01] <jkwood> It'll generate random numbers until you Ctrl-C it.
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[18:03] <dissocia1ive> I will archive that
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[18:04] <jkwood> I can give you one in a number of other languages too, but C is handy.
[18:04] <dissocia1ive> mmm.. asm
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[18:06] <jkwood> x86 asm, I'm assuming?
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[18:08] <dissocia1ive> anyway it will not make much sense at all if you are not going to do direct hardware access by writting something in asm
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[18:13] <kitche> has there been a game made yet for obama during his speeches? or no
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[18:14] <dissocia1ive> does iptables allow to specify multiple source IPs in a single rule?
[18:15] <kitche> dissocia1ive: I believe you need a rule for each ip but I m not sure
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[18:22] <Shingoshi> Is there an irc command which will take me to the line on which I was asked a question? Someone asked me a question hours ago, and I can't find it.
[18:23] <Urchlay> there's nothing like that that's part of the IRC service, but your client probably has a way to do it
[18:23] <rg3> rworkman: i'll try the patch tomorrow, thanks
[18:23] <jkwood> Shingoshi: /lastlog someword
[18:23] <Urchlay> (if nothing else, scroll up and visually grep...)
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[18:26] <Urchlay> (heh, my answer was completely useless. Sorry bout that)
[18:26] <Shingoshi> Yeah, I tried the visual thing. Didn't work. Maybe too long ago.
[18:28] <Shingoshi> jkwood: /lastlog is not a valid command in this client. There may be an equivalent, but I don't know what it is. Konversation runs here.
[18:28] <jkwood> Hmm...
[18:28] <jkwood> Does it generate logs?
[18:28] <Shingoshi> Which client do you use?
[18:28] <jkwood> irssi.
[18:28] <Shingoshi> I keep logs of everything.
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[18:29] <jkwood> Well, then, use grep. =)
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[18:30] <Shingoshi> I didn't know that would work in this. Thanks. I'll see if I can do it or not.
[18:30] <Shingoshi> grep Shingoshi
[18:31] <Shingoshi> Maybe you ought to tell me how to do this.
[18:31] <jkwood> Erm... Not in the client.
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[18:31] <agentc0re|work> Shingoshi what client do you use?
[18:32] <Shingoshi> Konversation
[18:33] <Shingoshi> So I have to call up the log and grep there instead.
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[18:33] <Urchlay> hm, anyone's bored, go have a look at this: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-294
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[18:35] <Shingoshi> I'll look at this later. I just got up, and want to eat.
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[18:35] <skibur> could some do me a favor and check the video settings on Mplayer
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[18:36] <skibur> as far as HUE, Brightness, etc
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[18:36] <skibur> When I view videos on gxine, my video looks to colorful when trying to view them on mplayer.  I wondering if it messes with the setting or something
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[18:47] <NyteOwl> ANyone ever used a Crosman C-11?
[18:48] <Urchlay> what is one?
[18:48] <Urchlay> (sounds like an airplane, or maybe a guitar amp...)
[18:48] <NyteOwl> CO2 pistol, BB calibre
[18:48] <Urchlay> ah
[18:49] <NyteOwl> looking for an inexpensive plinker/pest discourager
[18:49] <NyteOwl> I had a 38T but I loaned it out a number of years ago and never got it back
[18:51] <dtanner> i had a crossman yars ago , forgot what part number it was
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[18:51] <dtanner> years*
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[18:51] <Necos> wow... this is wierd... i can't find an iso i know i made lol
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[18:52] <blkdg> hi, can anyone tell me what will happen if i take the ati driver and install it on my laptop without a slackbuilds script?
[18:52] <Necos> nothing... you'll just have a hard time removing it
[18:53] <blkdg> will it work effortlessly
[18:53] <blkdg> oh
[18:53] <kitche> now effortlessly is another thing
[18:53] <blkdg> right
[18:53] <Pig_Pen> NyteOwl: i have a Powerline Model 15XT CO2,  BB & .177 cal
[18:53] <kitche> ati drivers are known to not work effortlessly even on ubuntu
[18:53] Action: NyteOwl confesses to using teh installer from ATI
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[18:53] <Pig_Pen> i use it for chasing stray dogs out of the yard
[18:54] <jkwood> Ubuntu?
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[18:54] <Camarade_Tux> baaaah !
[18:54] <blkdg> ok then, the slackbuilds script is for 12.1 and i'm using 12.2, to complicate matters the slackbuilds script is looking for an older version of the ati driver.
[18:54] <Camarade_Tux> (sorry, a reflex when I read "ubuntu")
[18:55] <kitche> blkdg: edit the slackbuild then with teh correct information
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[18:55] <blkdg> NyteOwl: were you using slackware ?
[18:55] <NyteOwl> Pig_Pen: I just want something for plinking, discouraging stray dogs or coyote when hiking or walking the ebach
[18:55] <blkdg> kitche: i will give it a shot.
[18:55] <NyteOwl> blkdg: yup
[18:56] <blkdg> 12.2 NyteOwl ?
[18:56] <Urchlay> coyote at the beach? where do you live?
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[18:56] <blkdg> scarborough
[18:56] <NyteOwl> 12.1
[18:56] <blkdg> ....
[18:56] <blkdg> <<<<<<<<<;0
[18:56] <Pig_Pen> just get a cheap CO2 BB gun pistol, they hold 15 rounds of bb so that would take care of any stray dog or coyote
[18:56] <blkdg> toronto joke
[18:56] <blkdg> sorry
[18:56] <eviljames> toronto sucks.
[18:56] <eviljames> (sorry, immediate reaction to seeing Toronto... hello from Vancouver!)
[18:57] <blkdg> yeah, but we have coyotes at the beach.
[18:57] <NyteOwl> Urchlay: I haven't seen any there myself yet but they aren't all in the hills
[18:57] <blkdg> wait, no.
[18:57] <NyteOwl> Nova SCotia, Canada
[18:57] <blkdg> hi eviljes
[18:57] <blkdg> damm new keyboard
[18:57] <eviljames> Apparently the "AM" keys aren't working.  Don't try to set the clock
[18:57] <Pig_Pen> and if they get crazy you better keep a large very sharp pocket knife with you, let the mad dog come close and slice his nose or throat
[18:57] <NyteOwl> Urchlay: looks like the Crossman is pretty similar to yours, including muzzle velocity
[18:57] <eviljames> I guess it's PM right now in To, but tomorrow morning!
[18:58] <NyteOwl> er Pig-pen sorry
[18:58] <Pig_Pen> yeah, the cheap ones work good for what you want, no need in buying a high dollar target gun
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[18:59] <blkdg> NyteOwl: post ati install, did you have to do nything else?
[18:59] <NyteOwl> blkdg: no I just follwoed the instructions
[18:59] <Pig_Pen> those BBs fly pretty hard, so any dog or coyote will skat pretty quick when you start popping shots at em
[18:59] <blkdg> a week ago i installed nvidia driver on a friends machine using slackbuilds and it was painless.
[19:00] <NyteOwl> works great HD4870 driving a Samsung 275T+
[19:00] <NyteOwl> Pig_Pen: well 480 is getting pretty close to the legal line or air vs firearm here :)
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[19:01] <NyteOwl> s/or/for
[19:01] <Pig_Pen> any more than that you might as well get a 22 cal semi auto pistol
[19:02] <Pig_Pen> just be careful, or you'll put your eye out :D
[19:02] <NyteOwl> well, that defnitely puts you into firearm class and a lot of restrictions/paperwork/regulations :)
[19:02] <NyteOwl> I'm always careful :)
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[19:03] <Pig_Pen> bah, where i am there are tons of firearms sold in yard sales every weekend, i almost bought a 50 caliber black powder muzzle loading rifle, but the wife prefers groceries so i passed
[19:03] <NyteOwl> lol
[19:04] <Pig_Pen> i would have eaten beans for a week to afford that rifle,
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[19:04] <NyteOwl> I'm going to have some going up for sale later this spring/summer. Trying to clean all the stuff that isn't sued 0out of the house
[19:05] <NyteOwl> tons of yard sale stuff I may just give away to get rid of it
[19:05] <Pig_Pen> my place looks like Sanford & Son with all the junk accumulated
[19:05] <Necos> to get rid of what? ;)
[19:05] <NyteOwl> heh
[19:05] <Necos> lol Pig_Pen
[19:06] <Necos> i miss that show :(
[19:06] <Pig_Pen> all i need now is an ancient ford pickup in the driveway
[19:06] <NyteOwl> lamps, tables, "junk" books, skates, golf shoes, guns (not yard sale)
[19:06] <NyteOwl> eventually a full sized National shuffleboard and maybe a 8' pool table
[19:06] <firebird619> That's a good show. I see the re-runs of it on tv now and then.
[19:07] <skibur> does slackware have video editing software?
[19:07] <Pig_Pen> Nickelodian plays it on occasion
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[19:07] <Necos> slackware is linux... so the question is "does linux have video editing software?" the answer is yes
[19:07] <Necos> www.vcdhelp.org has a list
[19:08] <firebird619> Pig_Pen: Yeah, there's another station here that plays it now and then.
[19:08] <Necos> nick at nite ftw (and tvland, which is it's subsidiary)
[19:08] <NyteOwl> hell I haven't even gotten to the toys storedin the attic yet. slide/swing set, toboggan,m small pool ...
[19:08] <firebird619> Necos: I watch that every night. Home Improvement, George Lopez, etc.
[19:09] <Pig_Pen> yeah, TVLand is the one!
[19:09] <skibur> Does Slackware Distro provide A Video Editing Software
[19:09] <NyteOwl> maybe musical instruments
[19:09] Action: NyteOwl should rent a garage and have a continuous garage sale heh
[19:09] <kitche> skibur: no it does not
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[19:09] <skibur> thanks kitche
[19:10] <NyteOwl> Pig_Pen: https://www.cabelas.ca/index.cfm?pageID=71&section=1187&section2=1279&section3=1453&ID=2146
[19:10] <Pig_Pen> i like George Lopez, he reminds me of the mexicans i grew up with during my childhood in San Diego Ca, about half my friends were mexicans
[19:11] <firebird619> Pig_Pen: That's my favorite one. Come's on 12:00 AM each weekday on Nick at Nite.
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[19:12] <Pig_Pen> NyteOwl: that looks like a nice little pistol, i bet you can find something cheaper if you looked at your local department stores, kmart, target, walmart & etc...
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[19:13] <NyteOwl> Pig_Pen: not really, $70 is about as cheap as it gets except for those transparent plastic "sirsoft" things
[19:13] <Pig_Pen> if your wanting to save money that is, with better quality comes higher prices as a rule
[19:13] <NyteOwl> er airsoft
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[19:13] <Pig_Pen> ah, canadian money? isnt that about the same as usa money
[19:14] <kitche> canadian money is a lot less then usa money
[19:14] <kitche> at least it was a few days ago
[19:14] <Pig_Pen> http://finance.yahoo.com/currency-converter?u#from=USD;to=CAD;amt=1
[19:14] <NyteOwl> it was till last fall, now it's back where it was 3 years ago
[19:14] <Pig_Pen> looks like just a few cents difference
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[19:15] <kitche> since I knew for a while it was 1.00 USD to 1.23 CDN for a while
[19:15] <NyteOwl> about 77 cents us at the moment
[19:15] <NyteOwl> it was $113 or so last August
[19:15] <NyteOwl> er 1.13
[19:16] <Pig_Pen> then yes NyteOwl, that pistol you showed me looks like a bargain
[19:16] <blkdg> skibur: any linux video editing software you find with google will compile in slackware
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[19:16] <blkdg> thanks again for you help folks, i'm going to try the ati drivers
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[19:17] <skibur> I assuming that slackware distro doesn't provide editing video software because most are not stable?
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[19:17] <kitche> becuase Pat does not want one by default
[19:17] <inetic> hi there, I am totaly new to slackware and today I've decided to give it a try. I wanted to install it on my cd-less HW using a USB stick but I had some problems with it (it wasn't recognized as a bootable device), instead of trying the painfull PXE way I have tried to create a new image (with grub instead of lilo and fat32 instead of raw) and wii, it worked. I put together some vague notes for myself in case I'll have to do it again and
[19:17] <inetic>  was wondering if you guys think it might be usefull for others, if so, what should I do with it?
[19:17] <NyteOwl> Pig_Pen: I wish I had my old Crosman 38T. Stlyed like a S&W .38 revolver with a 6" barrel (.177). it was a bit heavy but quite accurate
[19:18] <skibur> is Amarok KDE?
[19:18] <jkwood> skibur: Yes.
[19:18] <skibur> or its a default player?
[19:19] <NyteOwl> inetic: put it on a web page, make it a post to the slackware section of linuxquestions.org
[19:19] <jkwood> That depends.
[19:19] <skibur> o ok
[19:19] <jkwood> I personally don't have Amarok installed at all.
[19:20] <NyteOwl> it runs nicely in XFCE too :)
[19:20] <inetic> NyteOwl, all right, never knew linuxquestions.org was an official forum for slackware, it's a good one though
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[19:23] <Pig_Pen> linuxquestions.org is a great place, lots of good people there
[19:25] Action: jkwood suggests posting on http://slackforum.slackadelic.com/index.php as well
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[19:26] <john_dee> could you please recommend me something to batch-convert lots of text files from cp1251 to utf-8?
[19:27] <jkwood> Unfortunately, I don't think that software exists.
[19:27] <alienBOB> john_dee: iconv perhaps
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[19:27] <john_dee> alienBOB, how do i use it? man isn't very helpful
[19:28] <jkwood> Actually... now that I've said that, http://snipplr.com/view/3062/change-encoding-of-files-to-utf8/
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[19:28] <alienBOB> john_dee: iconv -f CP1251 -t UTF-8 filename
[19:29] <jkwood> I'd say that you substitute cp1251 for iso_8859 in that example.
[19:32] <Pig_Pen> will iconv work with wildcards, like everything in a given directory?
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[19:33] <john_dee> thanks, looks much like it
[19:33] <Urchlay> if not, you can always wrap iconv in a for loop
[19:34] <jkwood> Or run that find line.
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[19:35] <Necos> or if you're feeling really bold, perl -e 'while(<*>){system("iconv -f CP1251 -t UTF-8 $_");}'
[19:36] <thrice`> lol
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[19:36] <eviljames> Or, you could print them all, rm the folder and re-enter by hand.  It would probably be a little cleaner than using perl.
[19:36] <Necos> lol
[19:36] <john_dee> eviljames, that's way hardcore
[19:37] <eviljames> john_dee: I'M way hardcore
[19:37] <Necos> it'd work just fine =p
[19:37] <Pig_Pen> even his pr0n is hardcore :D
[19:37] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: Especially the stuff I star in.
[19:37] <eviljames>   /set real_name Peter North
[19:38] <Necos> perl is fun
[19:38] <Necos> =p
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[19:40] <john_dee> eviljames, way TOO hardcore. like R. Stallman switching to Windows
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[19:41] <Pig_Pen> speaking of GNU/Wierdos Eric Raymond is the #1 wierdo in Linux land
[19:41] <john_dee> i don't get banned for that dirty word, right? :)
[19:41] <jkwood> "It's free because you can download it through bittorrent!"
[19:41] <eviljames> It's actually a little known fact.  He refers to it as GNU/Windows, and loves the Aero interface.
[19:41] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: what about GNU/Eben Moglen?
[19:41] <Urchlay> I met Eric Raymond once, before I knew who he was... he had this "I'm so cool, you should worship me" air about him
[19:41] <eviljames> haha
[19:42] <Pig_Pen> Eban Moglen ?
[19:42] <eviljames> Urchlay: Did you damage his ego by asking who he was?
[19:42] Action: eviljames hopes for a yes
[19:42] <Urchlay> yeah
[19:42] Action: eviljames high fives Urchlay
[19:42] <Urchlay> wasn't trying to be insulting, honestly just didn't know whoTF he was
[19:43] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: Eben Moglen is responsible for enforcing the GPL
[19:43] <Pig_Pen> i would ask Eric where Torvalds was while acting like i dont have a clue who Eric Raymond was
[19:44] <Urchlay> while he was in town, he got together a group called "Geeks With Guns", went to the local firing range & shot at targets of windows logos & such. Wish I'd known about that, it would have been fun
[19:44] <Pig_Pen> i see, Eben Moglen is a GNU/lawyer type that enforces the GPL
[19:44] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: iirc, he's THE GNU/Lawyer that enforces the GPL for the fsf
[19:44] <eviljames> I could be corrected on that by someone who recalls better though.
[19:44] <Urchlay> do you have to GNU/call GNU/him by GNU/his GNU/name?
[19:45] <eviljames> Urchlay: There's something about technolust, bloodlust, guns and philosophy that all go hand in hand with geekery.
[19:45] <Pig_Pen> who is that peres or perez guy? doesnt he do the same thing?
[19:45] <eviljames> Urchlay: RMS demands that people refer to Linux as GNU/Linux, hence things RMS-related are referred to as GNU/something
[19:45] <Urchlay> eviljames: we're the modern equivalent of the Vikings or something...
[19:45] Action: jkwood starts porting Slackware off of the GNU tools
[19:46] <eviljames> jkwood: cd busybox && make ?
[19:46] <eviljames> ;)
[19:46] <Urchlay> yeah, I know about the GNU/Linux thing... I demand that RMS isn't allowed to demand what I say :)
[19:46] <jkwood> eviljames: There are replacements.
[19:46] <kitche> a lot fo the BSD's are starting to get rid of the gnu stuff I been seeing
[19:46] <Urchlay> so far nobody in BSD-land has a production compiler to replace gcc, do they?
[19:46] <jkwood> star is one that jpipkin used to recommend to me all the time.
[19:46] <eviljames> I don't think that getting rid of the GNU stuff is a particularly good idea.  Those guys do very seriously deserve our respoect and support.
[19:46] <eviljames> But not to the point of GNU/Linux.
[19:46] <kitche> Urchlay: yes llvm
[19:47] <Urchlay> that, I must play with... gcc is nice, but not perfect
[19:47] <eviljames> Urchlay: Also, Sun maintains a compiler set
[19:47] <eviljames> Though I don't know much about it
[19:47] <Urchlay> "Low Level Virtual Machine is a toolkit for the construction of
[19:47] <Urchlay> highly optimized compilers, optimizers, and runtime
[19:47] <kitche> Apple uses llvm for the iphone sdk theya re a big backer of it I believe
[19:47] <Urchlay> environments."
[19:47] <Urchlay> doesn't look like a C compiler to me... am I reading that wrong?
[19:48] <eviljames> Urchlay: No, you're right.
[19:48] <eviljames> Urchlay: PCC
[19:48] <Urchlay> kitche: I meant a C and maybe C++ compiler
[19:48] <kitche> Urchlay: yes which llvm is
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[19:48] <kitche> clang is thefrontend for llvm that freebsd and dragonfly is using\
[19:49] <Urchlay> "The compiler is based on the original Portable C Compiler by S. C. Johnson, written in the late 70's. About 50% of the frontend code and 80% of the backend code has been rewritten."... hm.
[19:49] <kitche> PCC can barely compile anything right now
[19:49] <Urchlay> so llvm isn't just a C compiler, but it contains one? That works for me...
[19:49] <kitche> and it only does C
[19:49] <kitche> Urchlay: umm llvm is just the backend stuff the frontend programs can do anything if you program one correctly
[19:50] <Urchlay> yeah... but. I don't want to program my own C compiler :)
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[19:50] <kitche> there is llvm-gcc, clang, they both are C and C(plus)(plus) compilers
[19:50] <Urchlay> will look around
[19:51] <eviljames> kitche: Ahh, true, the question was about a "production compiler", aka something good, not something functional.
[19:51] <kitche> eviljames: yeah which pcc is not good :)
[19:51] <Urchlay> my only interest in non-gcc compilers is really that they're starting to look like they've got an accidental monopoly on free/opensource C compilers
[19:52] <Urchlay> there should be alternates for every tool, Just In Case
[19:52] <eviljames> kitche: What's your stance on Sun Studio stuff?  Have you investigated at all?
[19:52] <kitche> most of these new compilers started after the whole gplv3 thing come about
[19:52] <kitche> eviljames: kind of looked but not hard
[19:52] <Cotowar> hey, quick question. can i install slackware via a network connection? if so, how would i go about doing it?
[19:52] <thrice`> yes, you would would choose the network installation option
[19:53] <eviljames> via smb/nfs/ftp
[19:53] <jkwood> Cotowar: Boot from some bootable Slackware media (cd, usb stick, dvd) and then... what thrice` said.
[19:53] <Urchlay> Cotowar: you can either boot from CD and install via network, or look in the usb-pxe-installers directory for a 100% network install
[19:53] <jkwood> You can even install over http.
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[19:53] <Urchlay> hm, installing over http must be new. Neat.
[19:53] <kitche> I need to retry solaris again see if it boots for me now
[19:53] <Cotowar> i only have it on a DVD. the computer i want to put it on cant read DVDs. is there a way to do it still?
[19:53] <eviljames> kitche: 2008.11 is good.  Otherwise, wait until 2009.06 comes out
[19:53] <andarius> greetings and salutations
[19:53] <Cotowar> thats my problem
[19:53] <eviljames> kitche: (OpenSolaris, that is)
[19:54] <Urchlay> Cotowar: download the 3 install CDs instead, if the box can read CDs but not DVDs
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[19:54] <eviljames> kitche: Right now the in-between stage is half-broken, my laptop is really unstable with it anyhow.
[19:54] <thrice`> Cotowar: as mentioned, the usb is possible
[19:54] <jkwood> He doesn't need all three.
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[19:54] <jkwood> He doesn't even need one of the three.
[19:54] <Urchlay> eh, probably not
[19:54] <notbanksy> hello - slack noob here
[19:54] <jkwood> http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackboot/mini/
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[19:55] <kitche> eviljames: wonder what will happen though if ibm buys sun. Microsoft Google and others are complaining
[19:55] <Cotowar> thank you sir
[19:55] <jkwood> 40 mb.
[19:55] <eviljames> kitche: It's not going to happen, don't fret about it.
[19:55] <Cotowar> kitche, it should be interesting. i hope they get it
[19:55] Action: eviljames stands behind that prediction until proven otherwise.
[19:55] <jkwood> notbanksy: Howdy.
[19:55] <Urchlay> jkwood: that's the modern equivalent of the old boot floppy set? /me bookmarks...
[19:55] <notbanksy> hey up!
[19:55] <Pig_Pen> i would prefer to see IBM buy sun than for Microsoft to buy Sun
[19:56] <eviljames> Sun has open sourced most of the things of value.  MS isn't interested.
[19:56] <eviljames> At least, in terms of Software.
[19:56] <Cotowar> im a big IBM fan, so im hoping for it. I want to see IBM get the software side to compliment the hardware they already have.
[19:56] <Urchlay> if they could, Microsoft would buy *the* Sun, and charge everyone for light & heat
[19:56] <Cotowar> too true
[19:56] <Cotowar> lol
[19:56] <Pig_Pen> just think if Oracle bought Sun, you could say goodbye to a lot of good stuff, because it would get locked up somewhere
[19:56] <Cotowar> they would probably change its name to something stupid too
[19:56] <Cotowar> lol
[19:56] <Urchlay> and when eclipses happen, they'd point to the fine print in the solar EULA everyone had to agree to...
[19:56] <Cotowar> lol
[19:56] <eviljames> Why would Sun sell?  They have more cash than the company is worth!
[19:57] <Cotowar> and you could not share the sun with anyone who did not buy the EULA
[19:57] <eviljames> Sun has ~$3,000,000,000.00 in cash + real estate.  The market cap (prior to the IBM news) was only $2,500,000,000.00
[19:57] <Urchlay> that much cash? that's just an abstraction to my feeble unfrozen caveman brain...
[19:57] <eviljames> In short: Not going to happen, this is just a day trader manipulating the futures market.
[19:58] <kitche> How does Sun have that much cash if they are in debt?
[19:58] <eviljames> kitche: Debt is a management strategy.
[19:58] Action: Urchlay counts in Neanderthalese... One, Two, uhhh... Many!
[19:58] <eviljames> I can have tons of cash and still have a credit card
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[19:58] <Cotowar> and if you have no debt, why are you not paying your employees more
[19:58] <Pig_Pen> ownership or property & IP, is not the same as having that in cash in the bank
[19:58] <Cotowar> that one comes up quite a bit too
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[19:59] <eviljames> Pig_Pen: That's cash reserves.  Look up the balance sheet. :D
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[19:59] <kitche> really HP is the ones that might get more customers if people do not liek the IBM/Sun merge really
[19:59] <Pig_Pen> i own a 150 G house, but i have only 70 in the bank and 15 cash in my wallet
[19:59] <eviljames> Cotowar: simply put, so that your company survives batshit insane markets like the one we have now.  That's why you don't pay everyone every penny you make.
[20:00] <Cotowar> exactly
[20:00] <kitche> eviljames: for 15 years or so :)
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[20:00] <kitche> yay for obama .....
[20:00] <kitche> where's the drinking game for him?
[20:00] <Pig_Pen> i wish i had gobs of liquid assets in the bank so i can buy stuff on a whim
[20:00] <sloin> hey, how is that on slackware with selinux ? I need to isntall ipsec and it says that it needs selinux
[20:00] <eviljames> k, afk while travelling home from work...
[20:01] <Cotowar> but if you have a surplus, you are not investing wisely. you should be breaking even, and have assets you can liquidate easily to cover unexpected costs
[20:01] <Cotowar> drive safe eviljames
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[20:01] <kitche> sloin: install selinux then
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[20:02] <kitche> I m surprised that Sun studio does not have a windows download
[20:02] <SlackNeo> who uninstall nvidia for update driver ??
[20:02] <kitche> SlackNeo: with the nvidia driver install file
[20:03] <Cotowar> Heres one, are there any mainstream PPC units left? like do companies mass produce it still, or has everything gone to x86?
[20:03] <psychicist> I could say the same thing about a linux sparc build, but it just doesn't exist
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[20:03] <ananke> Cotowar : ppc64 is still going. ppc on the other hand is dying off
[20:03] <kitche> Cotowar: ppc ibm makes bunch of machines that have it
[20:03] <kitche> of coruse it's Power5
[20:04] <ananke> power6 these days. and that's ppc64
[20:04] <kitche> they are at power6?
[20:04] <Cotowar> hmmm. is it like high end server stuff? cause blades run on x86 Xeons
[20:04] <ananke> kitche : yes. and hell, power4 was ppc64
[20:04] <ananke> Cotowar : saying 'blades run on x86 xeons' is just false.
[20:04] <Cotowar> well, some do
[20:04] <kitche> I knwo some of their machines have Cell in them as well
[20:04] <psychicist> Cotowar: PS3 is one of the cheapest options if you don't mind the limited amount of memory and drm
[20:05] <kitche> mainly as a bridge cpu
[20:05] <ananke> Cotowar : just because some mammals are zebras, it doesn't mean all mammals are zebras
[20:05] <Cotowar> yea, the PS3 makes for a pretty cheap super computer
[20:05] <Cotowar> ananke, yea. i should have thought that statement out more...
[20:05] <kitche> really ps3 is not cheap really
[20:05] <Cotowar> what exactly is the PPC architecture?
[20:06] <kitche> if you count the power and stuff
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[20:06] <ananke> Cotowar : what do you mean? it's a risc architecture, designed by ibm
[20:06] <Cotowar> kitche, many universities are using PS3 clusters for super computers because the cell handles floating point ops 30 times more efficiently than, say, an opteron
[20:06] <v4nelle> guys there is updated tagfiles for http://slackwiki.org/Minimal_System ?
[20:07] <v4nelle> is there*
[20:07] <kitche> Cotowar: yes with huge power consumption just easier to buy telsa's
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[20:07] <ananke> Cotowar : not 'many'. in fact, those are quite rare, and usually are limited to a few dozen nodes. all of which reside in a closet, in some cs lab
[20:07] <Cotowar> i mean like, without me having to wikipedia an read a crap ton of extra stuff, is it the same type of setup as x86? like proc, FSB, NB, RAM, SB?
[20:08] <ananke> Cotowar : generally speaking, yes. you got a processor, mother board, ram, bus, etc
[20:08] <kitche> ppc is a bit before x86 really at least what it's known as before
[20:09] <Cotowar> ananke, you can build a "supercomputer" with like 15 PS3's, which is a heck of a lot cheaper than a custom unit like the roadrunner. basically its a mass produced design that can be scaled up easily, and doesnt require custom hardware. i know the roadrunner is not even the same thing, but it was an example of custom work
[20:09] <kitche> hmm tosh opensolaris laptops
[20:09] <ananke> Cotowar : it all depends on the definition of 'supercomputer', which keeps moving every day
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[20:09] <sloin> kitche, could you please be more specific, there is no info about that anywere
[20:09] <kitche> sloin: sure there is information need to check opensolaris.com more
[20:10] <ananke> Cotowar : and when you talk about scaling, i assume you don't mean about the form factor. you can't easily put those in a rack
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[20:10] <Cotowar> jkwood, do i have to do anything special to get the mini-install on to a USB, or can i drag and drop like a normal file?
[20:11] <jkwood> That's actually meant to be burned on a cd.  Standby...
[20:11] <sloin> kitche, hey man this info is really helpful
[20:11] <jkwood> http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackboot/usb/
[20:11] <Cotowar> ananke, i mean you just plug the unit into the network and there is very little tinkering to do. with the roadrunner setup, they have an opteron with a cell co-processor on each core. there is heavily specialized networking to get each node to talk to the others
[20:12] <Cotowar> thanks, i can do the CD thing. i was just wondering cause someone said USB when i got the mini-install
[20:12] <ananke> Cotowar : huh? is your experience limited only to some 'roadrunner setup'?
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[20:13] <jkwood> Actually... don't use that last link.  There's a USB installer included with 12.x.
[20:13] <Cotowar> no im just saying, most gigantor super computers are not simply a bunch of normal computers and switches. they are custom to suit the task required. the PS3 just happens to already fit in that category
[20:13] <Cotowar> okay
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[20:15] <ananke> Cotowar : funny, i manage a few of those 'bunch of computers and switches', and next building to me is one of those, containing 5000 'normal computers'
[20:15] <Cotowar> what types?
[20:15] <ananke> ps3 is nowhere closer to being a building block of a typical cluster. it's not easily rackable
[20:16] <Necos> hahaha
[20:16] <Necos> it's not exactly light either
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[20:16] <Cotowar> ananke, true, but per node, its more powerful than a standard computer, unless you count some server boards.
[20:16] <ananke> the 5000 one is composed of apple xserves. i manage a power4 cluster with 72 cpus and intel one with 200
[20:16] <jkwood> Dependent on the workload, that is.
[20:16] <Necos> damn, that sounds fun
[20:16] <ananke> Cotowar : nobody uses 'standard' computers in clusters. they officially become clusterfucks
[20:18] <Cotowar> lol. i mean if you take a thousand dells off the shelf, it wont run near as well in a cluster as a thousand PS3 with all the same software, aside from hardware specific mods. the cell is a superior processor plain and simple
[20:18] <ananke> if you want to scale, you need the following characteristics in individual nodes: easy insert/remove from a rack. easy deployment via network. easy remote management
[20:18] <ananke> Cotowar : bullshit
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[20:18] <Necos> the cell is very specific...
[20:19] <ananke> Cotowar : unless you have software which can take advantage of said architecture, your architecture is worthless. and guess what, majority of the clusters today run on generic software
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[20:19] <Cotowar> okay you have me there
[20:19] <Necos> generic hardware?
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[20:19] <ananke> Cotowar : why do you think the itanium processor failed to gain a larger market share? it's because not many people could actually take advantage of it
[20:19] <Cotowar> yea
[20:19] <Cotowar> good point
[20:20] <Necos> that and it was stupidly expensive
[20:20] <ananke> go look at the top500 list. see how many ps3 or cell based processor clusters are there
[20:20] <Necos> 0
[20:20] <Cotowar> number one wouldnt be there without the cell
[20:20] <Cotowar> and i think, but am not positive, that the blue gene also uses it
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[20:21] <ananke> yes, they got linpack to compile, and maybe couple pieces of custom code to run on those. the rest of the world can't take advantage of it
[20:21] <Necos> i thought the blue gene used one of the last ppc-like chips developed by ibm... (but i haven't checked in a while)
[20:22] <sloin> anybody help with the selinux please ?
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[20:23] <ananke> sloin : get a distro that has selinux. save yourself the headache
[20:23] <Necos> selinux is a bitch to get working properly...
[20:23] <sloin> ananke, I need just ipsec
[20:23] <sloin> for openIMS
[20:23] <kitche> hmm what's the site to get a current iso?
[20:23] <sloin> ipsec needs selinux enabled
[20:23] <Necos> it does?
[20:23] <jkwood> kitche: slackware.no
[20:24] <Necos> i thought ipsec could be enabled in the kernel w/o SELinux
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[20:24] <kitche> yeah remembered it after I asked jkwood
[20:24] <sloin> Necos, so ipsec doesn't go without it ?
[20:26] <Cotowar> brb, goota get a sharpie
[20:26] <kitche> ugh forgot how slow slackware.no was
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[20:27] <Necos> ewww
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[20:28] <kitche> hmmm gonna try to get opensolaris running in vmware server
[20:30] <psychicist> it installs in kvm too, I tried it a few days ago and it worked
[20:30] <jkwood> sloin: ipsec *can't* require SELinux.
[20:30] <jkwood> I use IPv6 all the time, and ipsec is required for that.
[20:30] <kitche> psychicist: do not have a kvm system and I have windows as my host system
[20:31] <nooper> jkwood: on slackware?
[20:31] <jkwood> nooper: Yep.
[20:31] <Cotowar> okay, here goes nothing. im going to try this beasty. im definitely going to need some help here.
[20:31] <nooper> jkwood: how do you define ipsec rules?
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[20:32] <jkwood> No earthly idea.
[20:32] <psychicist> kitche: I'd also use vmware server or esx in production, kvm still has several annoying bugs
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[20:32] <sloin> jkwood, checking selinux/selinux.h usability... no
[20:32] <kitche> jkwood: hmm ipsec is needed for ipv6?
[20:32] <sloin> checking selinux/selinux.h presence... no
[20:32] <sloin> checking for selinux/selinux.h... no
[20:33] <sloin> configure: error: Security Context requested, but no selinux support! Aborting.
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[20:33] <kitche> since ipsec has nothing to do with ipv6 unless your running a vpn over it or something
[20:33] <sloin> and it can't be disabled in the configure script or something
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[20:33] <Cotowar> what the crap...my CD drive wont open...
[20:33] <nooper> i had the same problems sloin does
[20:34] <sloin> but
[20:34] <Cotowar> ugh, old computers annoy me.
[20:34] <sloin> I have the selinux header
[20:34] <sloin> so maybe I just need to set the correct path cause it can't find it
[20:34] <Cotowar> I have an ISA slot...how many of you can say THAT about the computer you're running?
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[20:34] Action: nooper has an isa slot
[20:34] <jkwood> What in the world are you compiling?
[20:35] <kitche> I really need to start doing java stuff again or else I'll forget it
[20:36] <Cotowar> kitche: me too
[20:37] <Cotowar> okay, jkwood, i threw in that mini-installer. how do i do this now?
[20:37] <Cotowar> i need to format the drive and install off a network. it says i have to use huge.s
[20:37] <pi31415> i have a computer with an isa slot but it is powered off
[20:38] <sloin> jkwood, me ?
[20:38] <sloin> openIMS
[20:38] <sloin> which needs ipsec
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[20:39] <Cotowar> okay, i definitely need a bit of help. im not good enough on the command line to know what the heck im doing
[20:39] <sloin> omg the configure script has 30000 lines
[20:39] <thrice`> what are you doing, ipsec-tools ?
[20:40] <sloin> yes
[20:40] <Cotowar> how do i format a disk at the command line?
[20:40] <thrice`> did you try --disable-selinux ?
[20:40] <Cotowar> is it just fdisk /dev/hda1?
[20:41] <sloin> thrice`, I didn't find anything in the configure options what might help
[20:41] <sloin> maybe --disable ipv6
[20:41] <jkwood> But did you *try* --disable-selinux >
[20:41] <jkwood> ?
[20:41] <jkwood> Again, you don't need selinux for ipsec.
[20:42] <sloin> no
[20:42] <thrice`> I'm looking at gentoo's build, and they just turn off selinux through configure; no patching or anything
[20:42] <sloin> omg why can't they put this option into the fu**** help
[20:43] <sloin> jkwood, thank you
[20:43] <jkwood> You're welcome.
[20:43] <sloin> nooooooo
[20:43] <sloin> it's the same
[20:43] <sloin> it accepted the option but no effect
[20:44] <jkwood> Hmm... thrice`, where's that ebuild?
[20:45] <thrice`> sloin: try --disable-selinux --disable-security-context
[20:45] <thrice`> jkwood: um, gentoo-portage.com (can't get a good link) and search
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[20:45] <thrice`> brb
[20:46] <psychicist> Cotowar: there's a difference between partitioning (for which you use fdisk) and formatting (mkfs.$FS)
[20:46] <nooper> heh "--disable-security-context" has only 1 useless hit on google
[20:47] <sloin> works!
[20:47] <Cotowar> ahh, yea, i need to format
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[20:47] <Cotowar> i have NTFS, and i need/want ext3
[20:47] <Cotowar> so i would do mkfs.ext3?
[20:48] <psychicist> the first thing to do would be to make sure you've got all your data backed up
[20:48] <Cotowar> no worries. its a 15 year old computer
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[20:48] <Cotowar> and PS, the XP i have on there just died like 20 min ago
[20:48] <Cotowar> thats what happens when you run pirated software though...
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[20:49] <psychicist> and if that's the case you can issue mkfs.ext3, indeed, but you should know which partition you want to format, presumably /dev/hda1
[20:49] <Cotowar> yea
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[20:50] <psychicist> so a simple "mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1" should work fine
[20:51] <Cotowar> okay cool. i just got there on my own. i have a HUGE book of linux commands, and im reading through it but some of it is clearer than others
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[20:52] <Cotowar> it says -sh:mkfs.ext3: not found
[20:52] <Cotowar> what the hell
[20:52] <Cotowar> lol
[20:52] <twolf> did you do it as root?
[20:53] <Cotowar> yea, im installing for the first time
[20:53] <psychicist> another thing you can do is "mke2fs -j" instead of "mkfs.ext3", if that doesn't exist
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[20:53] <Cotowar> im running the mini-install CD found here. http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackboot/mini/12.2/
[20:54] <Cotowar> whats the -j for? is that for journaling?
[20:54] <Cotowar> cause it definitely isnt in my book...lol
[20:55] <Necos> wow, that was fun
[20:55] <psychicist> it is for journalling, I've had to learn all these things the hard way too
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[20:56] <Necos> vmware killed my comp... that's a first
[20:56] <Cotowar> warning! your mke2fs.conf file does not define the ext3 filesystem type. you probably need to install an updated mke2fs.conf file.
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[20:56] <Necos> apparently, the new kernel is quite bitchy
[20:56] <Cotowar> then it did the format
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[20:57] <psychicist> I think it will be just fine
[20:57] <jkwood> Cotowar: Umm... the Slackware installer will handle setting up your partitions for you.
[20:57] <jkwood> http://slackbook.org
[20:58] <Cotowar> okay, but how do i get to the .iso? its not on the CD, its on my laptop
[20:58] <Cotowar> do i do ssh? and if so, can it handle being on a wireless adapter, or does it need to be on an ethernet wire?
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[20:59] <kitche> wow opensolaris did boot up in vmware
[20:59] Action: andarius pokes the dead body with a stick
[20:59] <andarius> ewww, its grotty
[20:59] Action: Old_Fogie scp's gnome-source-2.26-pam-integration into acidchild's /home/acidchild/sandbox
[21:00] <Cotowar> acidchild: play this game. it will keep you entertained for hours. http://www.addictinggames.com/fishy.html
[21:00] <Old_Fogie> built that!
[21:00] <acidchild> Cotowar: okey
[21:00] <Old_Fogie> that'll keep ya busy
[21:00] <acidchild> Old_Fogie: you pervert.
[21:00] <psychicist> Cotowar: I don't know if that mini-iso supports installing from http, ftp or ssh
[21:00] <Cotowar> lol
[21:00] <acidchild> how dare you put objects in my box
[21:00] <Old_Fogie> shhh, don't tell noone :)
[21:00] <thrice`> sloin: o rly?
[21:00] <Urchlay> acidchild: that's what *she* said!
[21:01] <Cotowar> it said it supported nfs, ftp, and http
[21:01] <Cotowar> but like how do i set up the connection? im not good at networking :(
[21:01] <psychicist> then you can probably set your laptop up as a server and install from there
[21:01] <sloin> thrice`, yes, sorry that I underestimated the --disable-safety-context
[21:01] <Old_Fogie> Most likely alienBOB has a howto there if that iso is from him.
[21:01] <Cotowar> hell, im not really GOOD at any computer stuff...im just okay
[21:01] <Old_Fogie> Cotowar, ^^
[21:02] <Old_Fogie> it's proably on his wiki
[21:02] <Cotowar> okay, ill look
[21:04] <thrice`> sloin: awesome :)
[21:04] <Cotowar> nope, it just says he wrote the mini iso
[21:04] <acidchild> Cotowar: MY IQ JUST DROPPED BECAUSE OF YOU!
[21:04] <Cotowar> lol
[21:04] <Old_Fogie> acidchild, ++
[21:04] <Cotowar> you love it
[21:04] <Cotowar> you played fishy didnt you
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[21:05] <sloin> thrice`, I have tendency to ask instead of thinking when I'm tired :)
[21:05] <Old_Fogie> Cotowar, why not just grab the iso for cd1 of slackware and use that?
[21:05] <Old_Fogie> Cotowar, burn it load it, done.
[21:05] <Cotowar> the sad thing is... thats one of my bookmarked sites. i love that game
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[21:06] <Cotowar> Old_Fogie, i have the iso on DVD, but the computer doesnt read DVD's, and my internet connection is shady, as we tested a couple nights back
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[21:07] <Cotowar> im going to look into networking...ill get this thing
[21:07] <Cotowar> im determined to learn a thing or three
[21:07] <Old_Fogie> Cotowar, then extract the contents out of the iso, to a folder, and use then mount that folder  and then (presumably) the mini-iso should be able to see that folder for the packages on the pc and done.
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[21:08] <Cotowar> oh you sir, are a genius
[21:08] <Old_Fogie> Cotowar, slackware's official installer, allows you to have a Slackare tree on some partition/drive of the pc that your loading a new install onto.
[21:08] <Cotowar> thats handy
[21:09] <Old_Fogie> yup, I have it on a usb drive, and install off that.
[21:09] <Old_Fogie> if the target pc hard drive too small
[21:09] <blkdg> hi, i am using slack 12.2, and i would like to create ati packages using the slackbuilds script.  i have two problems, the slackbuilds script were written for 12.1 and they are looking for an older copy of the driver.  is editng this script a good idea, or should i just build the driver using the ati installer?
[21:09] <Cotowar> heres what i have and where it is
[21:09] <blkdg> i asked this earlier in the eveing and got pulled away buy other things..
[21:10] <Cotowar> i have the DVD.iso on my laptop and external, and i have the target comp on the floor. target comp has no OS atm, but i can plug in the external and mount the .iso from there and it will work?
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[21:11] <blkdg> i asked in slackbuilds but i am unsure of the try and see method.
[21:11] <kitche> blkdg: either or
[21:11] <blkdg> nice.
[21:11] <Old_Fogie> Cotowar, I'm not sure if (a) that mini iso can read from a 'tree' of slackware packages, you'll have to determine that from what the mini-iso says when it boots; (b) I dont think Slackware's proper installer can pull from an iso file.. I think you have to *extract* them out of the iso file, into a folder (extracting them out with the true install cd I know does work) ; so you're going to have to play with it.
[21:12] <blkdg> there seem to be a lot of fences around here.
[21:12] <kitche> blkdg: it's mainly up to you really what you want to do if you want it to be easier edit the slackbuild
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[21:12] <Cotowar> okay, what is the base command for extracting from an iso?
[21:12] <Cotowar> i have a book, i can look it up from there
[21:12] <Old_Fogie> blkdg, ATI driver's are real touch and go.  I know as of last months driver release, they wouldnt build for me at all ; but now they've dropped my cards, so I cant even say anymore.
[21:12] <Cotowar> just dont know the command.
[21:12] <blkdg> because i can uninstall the pkg latter kitche ?
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[21:13] <kitche> blkdg: yes but ATI drivers are a bit iffy on later kernel versions
[21:13] <Old_Fogie> blkdg, I do know that drivers from Sept/Oct did build on Slack 12.1 good.  But after that is anyone's guess.  They're not documenting what is and isn't truly supported int he readme
[21:13] <blkdg> Old_Fogie: do they still provide the old driver?
[21:13] <thrice`> for an older card the xorg driver is your best bet
[21:13] <blkdg> new card
[21:13] <Old_Fogie> blkdg, yeah you can get old driver at the ati site...there's a link a few lines under the 'current' one.  it's not in the colored box..it's just a link, like 'previous releases' or something like that
[21:14] <blkdg> the driver chooser on the ati site gave me the latest catalyst
[21:14] <Old_Fogie> ati just sux I hate em
[21:14] <Old_Fogie> I'm stuck with all their crap, never buy em' again.
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[21:14] <blkdg> nice and reassuring.
[21:14] <blkdg> thanks!
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[21:14] <Urchlay> Old_Fogie: the old driver isn't being updated to build with newer kernel... IIRC it wouldn't compile on the slack 12.2 kernel when I tried it
[21:15] <Old_Fogie> Urchlay, right, that's why I hate em
[21:15] <Old_Fogie> part of
[21:15] <Old_Fogie> :)
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[21:15] <twolf> 8-12 works fine with 12.2 kernel
[21:15] Action: NyteOwl must live a charmed life as he has never had trouble with ATI at all
[21:15] Action: thrice` <3 intel
[21:15] <twolf> I haven't had any trouble with ati either
[21:15] <blkdg> twolf: did you use the ati installer or the slackbuilds script?
[21:15] <Old_Fogie> twolf, yeah but if youre part of tin foil hat brigade, kernel in 12.2 has cve's ..so well there ya go
[21:15] <twolf> blkdg: ati installer
[21:16] <Urchlay> well, it wasn't all that much trouble: I just switched to the Xorg open source ATI driver and have lived happily ever after
[21:16] <Urchlay> (now that Xorg supports TV output, that is)
[21:16] <Old_Fogie> Urchlay, I went back to windows, that fixed that
[21:16] <Urchlay> not an option for my application
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[21:16] <Cotowar> Old_Fogie, how do i go about extracting a file from an iso? is it the same as copying from a normal folder?
[21:17] <twolf> Cotowar: mount the iso
[21:17] <Urchlay> or even if it were an option technically, I wouldn't do it...
[21:17] <Old_Fogie> Cotowar, mount -o loop somefile.iso /mnt/some-folder-name
[21:17] <blkdg> twolf: was it ati-driver-installer-9.2-x86.x86_64.run ?
[21:17] <Cotowar> okay thanks
[21:17] <twolf> blkdg: I used 8-12, I haven't tried 9-2
[21:17] <kitche> I blame nachox for opensolaris :)
[21:17] <thrice`> blkdg: just try it; worst case is it fails and bails out
[21:18] <Old_Fogie> blkdg, like thrice` said here too... it's hit n' miss I'll cross my toes for you
[21:18] <NyteOwl> kitche bleh
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[21:18] <kitche> I m just installing it to try it out I could never use it before
[21:18] <twolf> blkdg: I figured I would wait a few more releases before trying the 9.x drivers as 8-12 works so well for me
[21:18] <acidchild> thrice`: intel doesn't love you back
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[21:18] <acidchild> intel slept with your wife
[21:19] <blkdg> if you run xwmconfig AFTER xorgsetup, will it overwrite the xorg settings?
[21:19] <Old_Fogie> too bad intel doesnt make video cards you can buy at retail, I got a shit load of pc's that could use a nice open source add on agp/or/pci video card
[21:19] <NyteOwl> kitche: I'm disappointed with OpenSolaris upon discovery they don't support as common a southrbridge chip as the ICH9R
[21:19] <twolf> blkdg: xwconfig wont touch xorg.conf
[21:19] <blkdg> sorry, wrong question
[21:20] <Cotowar> umm, dtupid question, but where can i find my external in the tree? like which directory is it in? it was in /media in ubuntu, but that doesnt exist in slackware
[21:20] <blkdg> if you run xorgsetup AFTER xorgconfig, will it overwrite the xorg settings?
[21:21] <Cotowar> i would think it will
[21:21] <twolf> blkdg: xorgsetup will put the xorg.conf in /root for you to copy in to place
[21:21] <Old_Fogie> Cotowar, type dmesg |grep sd   <--most likely the usb disk is seen as something like 'sda' or 'sdb'..
[21:21] <Cotowar> okay
[21:21] <Cotowar> thanks
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[21:21] <Cotowar> yea its sda1
[21:22] <kitche> NyteOwl: I m just trying it in a vmware
[21:22] <thrice`> Cotowar: how are your partitions setup ?
[21:23] <Cotowar> i have 1 partition on my computer, and one on my external
[21:23] <Cotowar> im trying to get the iso off the external so i can install slackware on the computer.
[21:23] <thrice`> yep, the problem is you'll need a place to mount the iso
[21:23] <acidchild> http://www.compulab.co.il/iglx/html/iglx-cm-datasheet.htm
[21:23] <acidchild> these are well cool
[21:23] <Cotowar> would it look like this?
[21:24] <blkdg> ok i'm going to edit the slackbuilds script.  i can see that VERSION=8.512 in the script, i'll change that and SRCNAM to match the driver that i got, is that the only thing i have to edit?
[21:24] <Cotowar> "mount -o loop /sda1/image-name.iso /mnt/where-i-want-it-mounted?
[21:24] <Cotowar> or is that not right?
[21:24] <thrice`>  /dev/sda1
[21:24] <NyteOwl> bbiab
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[21:25] <Cotowar> okay, but other than that is that correct?
[21:25] <Urchlay> blkdg: it entirely depends on how similar the new driver is to the old one
[21:25] <blkdg> what about my libGL.so ? that must have changed from slack 12.1 to 12.2 ...
[21:25] <thrice`> The installer will mount your partitions for installation to /mnt, I fear
[21:25] <blkdg> Urchlay: ? they have different names.
[21:26] <Cotowar> i dont know what you mean by that
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[21:26] <Cotowar> sorry, im new to this stuff, but im really trying to learn it
[21:26] <Old_Fogie> blkdg, you can do something like ati*.run --listpkg and --info to see the internal ati driver name/version , and see what the *.run file supports
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[21:27] <Cotowar> thrice`, so you are saying there is a directory called /mnt in the slackware tree?
[21:27] <Urchlay> blkdg: yah. If it's only a name change, you could get by with just editing PRGNAM... I don't *know*, I don't use the ATI stuff, I was just commenting that it has a chance of working...
[21:27] <Old_Fogie> blkdg, despite the fact that the source could be, for conversations sake ..ati-9-2.... internally, it has a different number, and that's what the package needs, the --info is where you get it from
[21:27] <blkdg> oh
[21:27] <thrice`> Cotowar: I'm saying that the installer typically mounts your partition to /mnt for installing
[21:27] <Old_Fogie> eh, not source code, but you get my drift
[21:28] <me_> blkdg, how did the partition thing work out?
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[21:28] <Cotowar> okay. now old fogie said that i do mount -o loop somefile.iso /mnt/some-folder-name
[21:29] <Old_Fogie> Cotowar, when you boot the install cd... the installer has it's own tree. I'm preetty sure that /mnt is writable, so you can do 'mkdir /mnt/cotowar' and then just 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/cotowar' ; then you can see the drive.  then you'd need to 'mkdir /mnt/cotowars-iso' and then 'mount -o loop /mnt/cotowar /mnt/cotowars-iso' <--hoepfully no typos there :)
[21:29] <Cotowar> does that mean i specify where the mounting will occur? i guess im not understanding why its mounting my partition again
[21:29] <thrice`> the installer works by mounting the target to /mnt, and then using the package manager, the installer will install packages to /mnt
[21:29] <kitche> Old_Fogie: so two games now per season it seems and man Buffalo is just smelly with pro sports lately
[21:29] <Old_Fogie> Cotowar, if the /mnt is no good, try in /tmp I forget the dir name...I use so many distro's :)
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[21:29] <Cotowar> ah ha! the light bulb came on
[21:29] <Cotowar> thanks for explaining it, it makes sense now
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[21:30] <me_> when i boot, shell no1 hanggs. when i boot as root into shell no2 can i un-hang shell1?
[21:30] <Old_Fogie> kitche, oh I'm so angry about that.  I can tell they're just 'testing the waters' to see how the Canadian's will like football.  I bet, that in no time...the Bills' are going to Canada, yup.
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[21:31] <Old_Fogie> Cotowar, actually, that'd be 'mount -o loop /mnt/cotoware/your-slack-dvd-iso-path /mnt/cotowars-iso'
[21:31] <thrice`> but yes, I'd try to mount to /tmp or similar, and then when the installer asks for the location, you select "premounted directory (option 5, I think), and point it to /tmp/slackware-12.2 or whatever it is
[21:31] <blkdg> me_ vista's gone, the data partiton's gone, the acer partitons are gone. fdisk kicked the hd's a$$
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[21:31] <nachox> kitche, ??
[21:31] <Cotowar> right. thanks
[21:31] <Old_Fogie> Cotowar, at the end there, but I dunno if the mini can handle mount -o loop tho
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[21:31] <Cotowar> i think it can, i hope it can...
[21:31] <thrice`> actually, you first need to mount external harddrive, and THEN mount the iso from there :)
[21:31] <blkdg> me_: clean slate.
[21:32] <Old_Fogie> "the little Cotowar that could"
[21:32] <kitche> nachox: was it you that use opensolaris or nullboy I always mix you to up lately
[21:32] <me_> oh, blkdg did yuo mean for that to happen?
[21:32] <Cotowar> yea, im trying
[21:32] <blkdg> yes, it was an 11 pm, now or never decision
[21:32] <nachox> nacho@saturn:~$ uname -a
[21:32] <nachox> SunOS saturn 5.11 snv_109 i86pc i386 i86pc
[21:32] <blkdg> as in decide and go to bead because tommorrow's another day...
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[21:32] <blkdg> so i blew it way with fdisk
[21:33] <blkdg> then i used cfdisk to make the linux partitons
[21:33] <Cotowar> what the hell....
[21:33] <kitche> nachox: I m just gonna try out opensolaris hence why I said it :) even if it does not run smooth in vmware really
[21:33] <Cotowar> the mesg | grep sd said i had one drive, sda....
[21:33] <nachox> kitche, :)
[21:34] <Cotowar> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/cotowar does not exist
[21:34] <Old_Fogie> Cotowar, read the full dmesg, maybe it doesnt have USB hard drive support
[21:34] <Cotowar> ugh
[21:34] <Old_Fogie> Cotowar, you have to 'mkdir /mnt/cotowar' first :)
[21:34] <me_> good job
[21:34] <Cotowar> i did that part, and it went just fine
[21:34] <me_> ahh solaris
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[21:35] <me_> i installed solaris once, said something about my other partitions which i ignored
[21:35] <Old_Fogie> Cotowar, read the 'dmesg' output, use "shift + page up/down" keys to read and see if it's listed there
[21:35] <me_> could have cried that day
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[21:36] <Cotowar> it says sda : sda1
[21:36] <psychicist> I learnt everything I know about solaris from installing in vmware too, when I still used that. I've also had better luck with the solaris 10 releases in vmware than on real hardware until I tried the sxce (nevada) builds
[21:36] <Cotowar> that means the drive is there right?
[21:37] <sitwon> Solaris 10 seems like a decent OS... it's just a bit hard for me to get used to it after using Linux for 10 years
[21:38] <nachox> psychicist, i can even suspend my laptop now with solaris
[21:38] <psychicist> Cotowar: yes, you can issue a "mount /dev/sda1 /path/to/folder/where/you/want/to/mount" command
[21:38] <Cotowar> /dev/sda1 doesnt exist...
[21:38] <blkdg> --info didn't help, and --listpkg shows me that there are slack settings in the driver, actually the maintainers name is the same on the unofficial ati support wiki, maybe i'll use his instructions.  he has two sets external pkg and internal pkg building http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Slackware
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[21:39] <kitche> nachox: dang solaris takes a lot of cpu that's for sure
[21:39] <psychicist> nachox: that's great to hear, I prefer well-engineered operating systems to the crap of the day
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[21:40] <Cotowar> i did the dmesg | grep sd, and it says there is one sda drive with 500,000 MB of space (my 500GB external) but when i try to mount it it says it doesnt exist...
[21:40] <Cotowar> what is a child to do
[21:41] <blkdg> ok brb, thanks again folks.
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[21:42] <psychicist> I'm just a little disappointed that I had to assign 1 gb of ram to the virtual machine, but maybe that's where solaris' server legacy shows itself
[21:43] <Cotowar> is there a way i can check /dev for anything with sda in the name?
[21:43] <hba> psychicist: i tried with 512 and failed :)
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[21:43] <hba> Cotowar: ls -l /dev/sda* ?
[21:43] <nachox> psychicist, only opensolaris needs 1gb of ram, look at milax
[21:43] <psychicist> Cotowar: what do you see if you issue an "fdisk -l" command?
[21:44] <Cotowar> /dev/hda1
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[21:44] <Cotowar> thats the computer hard drive
[21:45] <Cotowar> im trying to get on the external so i can mount the .iso from there. i only have the DVD version, and my internet takes FOREVER to download anything, and my computer is too old to support DVDs
[21:45] <psychicist> nachox: I'll have a look at that, I'll be having a look at the new sparc osol-ai too
[21:45] <Old_Fogie> *cough* buy a CD/set from the Slack store *cough* :D
[21:46] <Cotowar> i would but im a poor college kid
[21:46] <nachox> psychicist, http://opensolaris.org/os/project/milax/
[21:46] <Old_Fogie> yeah yeah yeah I heart that one before
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[21:46] <Cotowar> i spent over a months savings today getting a $45 wireless PCI adapter
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[21:47] <nachox> psychicist, i must however warn you, ZFS is a ram pig, it'll eat most of the ram and use it for buffering, 128 is not nearly enough to use it, 1gb isnt either
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[21:47] <psychicist> nachox: nice, I didn't know there were so many sparc derivatives by now. that must be because I haven't looked at solaris for the last 18 months or so
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[21:48] <Cotowar> the mini installer lists nfs@ when i do ls -a in the root directory
[21:48] <Cotowar> so could i use that to get the iso from my laptop if they are on the same network?
[21:50] <Cotowar> yea, i could set up my laptop as a server, and do an ftp transfer to get the iso over to the desktop
[21:50] <Cotowar> but how does one go about doing that?
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[21:51] <nachox> psychicist, pm?
[21:51] <psychicist> nachox: sure
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[21:53] <Cotowar> how does one go about creating an FTP server?
[21:54] <jkwood> Very carefully.
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[21:55] <Cotowar> thank you jkwood
[21:56] <Cotowar> lol
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[21:57] <MLanden> heya,folks
[21:57] <Cotowar> perhaps i shall suck it up and spend a week downloading the CDs
[21:57] <firebird619> MLanden: Hello. How are you?
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[21:58] <MLanden> Fine,thanks Firebird619 and yourself?
[21:58] <firebird619> MLanden: Great. Thanks.
[21:58] <MLanden> np
[21:58] <Cotowar> nvm, the USB image is really small to
[21:58] <Cotowar> so ill try that
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[22:03] <Cotowar> http://www.addictinggames.com/fishy.html
[22:03] <Cotowar> great game ^^
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[22:08] <ccfreak2k> Hmm.
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[22:10] <MLanden> hmm?
[22:11] <Cotowar> lol
[22:11] <Cotowar> anyone here watch the office?
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[22:13] <ananke> don't leave us hanging now
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[22:13] <kitche> I never got into the office
[22:14] <kitche> I need to watch Kings though still the last epsiode still have no clue what that show is about
[22:15] <peacedog> Anybody here a network specialist!
[22:15] <Cotowar> i was just wondering who else was watching it with me
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[22:18] <ananke> Cotowar : unless you have an imaginary friend next to you on the couch, the answer would be: nobody
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[22:18] <peacedog> I'm going back to school, (I'm in the almost 40 club), Local community college seems like a good fit, but the only degree they offer is AS in IT w/a network "specialty. I looked at all of the courses and the majority of the courses look like CCNP prep. Any thoughts? Thanks.
[22:18] <ananke> don't waste your time on an AS degree.
[22:19] <peacedog> Not worth the time?
[22:19] <MLanden> bbiab
[22:19] <Cotowar> peacedog: i dont know about your college, but comm college here is a complete joke. you'd be better off just getting the CCNP honestly
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[22:19] <ananke> not at all. those are aimed at tinker monkeys, with a set of specific software/hardware
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[22:20] <ananke> peacedog : what exactly are you trying to accomplish? let's start with that
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[22:21] <kitche> depends some community colleges of a partnership if you get your AS from the college you might be able to get BS from a higher college
[22:21] <peacedog> I've been in and out of school for 20 years w/nothing to how for it. I'm trying to decide between certs and degrees.
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[22:21] <peacedog> *to show for it
[22:21] <ananke> again, it depends on what your ultimate goal is
[22:21] <blkdg> so, the ati driver install hit a snag, i can't startx
[22:21] <kitche> I went to school and just went with certificate mainly since I did not knwo if college was for me and I found out after 5 years it's not
[22:21] <blkdg> :)
[22:22] <ananke> certs are good if you're just starting in a given industry, and have very little experience. degrees are good for actually knowing how things work
[22:22] <antler> kitche: i feel ya dog :P
[22:22] <Cotowar> yea.
[22:22] <kitche> I do have a certificate from a Votech school though so that counts for something
[22:23] <Cotowar> which one?
[22:23] <kitche> BOCES it's a New York state votech school
[22:23] <nachox> guys, if you use thinderbird, it's time to upgrade :P
[22:23] <peacedog> How long do the certs last? I know  degree is forever, given, there will always be more classes to stay current, but the degree doesn't expire. Thoughts?
[22:24] <Cotowar> depends on the cert
[22:24] <Cotowar> CCNA is 3 years i think
[22:24] <ananke> peacedog : you still haven't told us what your goal behind getting those certs/degrees is
[22:24] <kitche> peacedog: certification for school is liek a degree but it's not
[22:24] <peacedog> nachox: Thanks, got the email. ;-)
[22:24] <hitest> nachox: thanks, man:)
[22:24] <kitche> but if you get like an IT cert it depends on the thing
[22:24] <kitche> like A, is lifetime
[22:25] <ananke> do you want to decorate your hallway? do you want to get a raise at your current job? do you want a career change?
[22:25] <Cotowar> it depends on what cert you get as to what you can do and how much you get paid
[22:26] <Cotowar> if you get CCIE, you will be significantly more valuable than if you have A+
[22:26] <peacedog> Looking to branch out from my current position. The job is sold, just looking for a "Back up" plan.
[22:26] <kitche> I only have an A(plus) cert since I wanted a tech job but the interview I fell though so I might wait a bit then find some new jobs
[22:26] <Cotowar> kitche, thats what i did
[22:26] <ananke> peacedog : is your current job in the IT field? where do you want to branch out to?
[22:26] <peacedog> the job is )solid
[22:27] <kitche> but I have been looking at more security related certs lately since security intrests me
[22:27] <ananke> kitche : A+ can be also dangerous. if we see A+ on a resume, we often just skip the candidate
[22:27] <Cotowar> ananke: why is that?
[22:27] <kitche> ananke: my resume does not have A(plus) on it
[22:27] <Cotowar> just curious
[22:28] <kitche> unless I am applying to a place that requires it
[22:28] <ananke> Cotowar : because it's such an entry certificate, that it shouldn't be on a resume for the positions we have [sysadmins]. it's like putting 'i can spell' on a college application
[22:28] <Cotowar> lol. well put
[22:28] <kitche> most of the places here require A(plus) to even be hired for tech
[22:28] <peacedog> Current position is a Project Manager for a Millwork House, and Resident Network Geek. I set up and maintain the lan, wan, exchange server, etc. as well as my other duties.
[22:29] <nachox> ananke, what do you think about CISP?
[22:29] <Cotowar> ananke: what would you think of someone with linux+ or LPI?
[22:29] <ananke> kitche : the only places i've seen that require that, are very low level jobs. pc monkeys
[22:29] <ananke> nachox : never heard of it
[22:30] <kitche> ananke: which most of the tech jobs around here are since the corporations here already have a huge IT department
[22:30] <ananke> Cotowar : definitely suiting certs for my field. it tells me that a given candidate has a basic set of skills
[22:30] Action: Dominian has no certs!
[22:30] <Dominian> I suck!
[22:30] <blkdg> hi, i am using 12.2, and i installed the latest ati driver, when i start x, i get a blank screen with a red stripe at the top.  according to the wiki's instriuctions, i made two packages and installed them both, then i checked /etc/Xorg/xorg.conf for a section DRI group 0 mode 0666, driver set to fglrx, and in the module section, both dri and glx are there. i then ran aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/x11/xorg.conf b
[22:30] <Cotowar> okay, what ones would you recommend getting to get a sys admin job at any general company
[22:30] <ananke> Dominian : and you don't need them at this point. you got years of experience
[22:30] <Dominian> bah
[22:31] <Dominian> ananke: ruin my fun will ya
[22:31] <Dominian> Cotowar: takes more than certs anymore to be a sysadmin..
[22:31] <Dominian> most companies, at least th eones I do business with, look for experience.
[22:31] <ananke> peacedog : so you don't need certs, unless you really want to change a career.
[22:31] <nachox> ananke, err, missing an S, i meant CISSP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CISSP
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[22:31] <ananke> Cotowar : certs can help you get a job as a junior sysadmin
[22:32] <Cotowar> okay
[22:32] <ananke> nachox : don't have much experience with that cert. i don't know if anybody i know has that
[22:32] <Dominian> Cotowar: put it this way.. I have a 2 year associates degree and years of experience.. I still don't qualify to work for ananke  ;)
[22:32] <blkdg> alt del. how do i get x to work?
[22:32] <kitche> but A(plus) can be good for a stepping stone if you do not want to shell out more money for some certs but yeah OI have more knowlegdhr yhrn ehst my cert shows anyways it's just that I don't have the experience in some of the fields :)
[22:32] <kitche> nachox: that cert does not really mean a whole lot from the security guys I talk to really
[22:33] <kitche> blkdg: change fglrx to ati in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf for now if you wish
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[22:33] <Cotowar> i would really like to get them mainly just to learn a bunch of random crap. im going for my comp/electrical engineering defree
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[22:33] <peacedog> ananke, That's correct, I've got experience, been doing this tuff or years, but never actually interviewed for an IT position of any type. Current employer got the bonus plan when they asked one day "Hey, do we need a network". Job has grown from there.
[22:33] <ananke> Cotowar : certs are not for learning
[22:34] <peacedog> *been doing this stuff
[22:34] <blkdg> kitche i'll give it a shot
[22:34] <Cotowar> depends on which ones you are talking about. CCNP is not a "learning" cert, but something like net+ probably would be
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[22:34] <kitche> I've been sitting in on some security stuff lately so I been learning mostly from those Cotowar
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[22:35] <ananke> peacedog : at this point, you'd be better off trying to get enough credits to finish a BS degree. that guarantees you better return-on-investment in any field, and in addition it gives you more background theory on the CS side.
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[22:35] <ananke> peacedog : because you've been already in the industry, and doing IT work, that counts more than those certs you'd be getting.
[22:36] <kitche> background theory is all colleges do anymore :)
[22:36] <peacedog> ananke, Really?
[22:36] <ananke> kitche : uhmm, that was always their goal
[22:36] <blkdg> thanks kitche , x starts, but no ati yet.
[22:36] <kitche> unless you go to some university
[22:37] <Cotowar> my thing is i dont really know what i want to do. i love doing programming and stuff like that, but i also like building circuits and crap.
[22:37] <ananke> kitche : there is very little difference. college is university without grad program
[22:37] <kitche> since I know UB does more then background theory with their CS department but they are one of the big schools
[22:37] <antler> alienBOB: ping
[22:37] <kitche> ananke: not really unless it's a junky university
[22:37] <blkdg> weird, i can't ctrl alt f7 to go from terminal f1 to x... but i saw x start
[22:38] <kitche> need a card key to get into the CS room at UB from what I could tell
[22:38] <ananke> kitche : you do realize, that universities are composed of colleges, right?
[22:38] <Cotowar> yes
[22:39] <kitche> ananke: ? that does not make sense at least to me
[22:39] <peacedog> ananke, Cotowar, kitche, Thanks for the input. Exactly what I was looking for.
[22:39] <Cotowar> no probs
[22:39] <Cotowar> kitche: heres an example
[22:39] <Dominian> peacedog: also keep in mind.. the IT Field right now... is brutal
[22:39] <Dominian> meaning that EVERYONE is fighting for IT jobs
[22:39] <Cotowar> iowa state university offers like 150 degrees
[22:40] <psychicist> Cotowar: it's good to learn the practice of programming but you'll be glad you have the background theory too. I'm in engineering physics and have done quite some programming, but I'd like to go into semiconductors or nanotechnology eventually
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[22:40] <Cotowar> if you want a computer engineering degree, you enter the college of engineering. if you want com sci, you enter the college of liberal arts
[22:40] Action: Dominian ain't no liberal!
[22:40] <Cotowar> id like to do prototyping
[22:40] <kitche> Cotowar: ah ok he means Schools
[22:40] <Cotowar> yea
[22:40] <kitche> that's what I know them as
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[22:41] <blkdg> ok, when i use fglrxinfo as root it says that i am using mesa, not ATI.
[22:41] <ananke> nomenclature often differs, especially when it comes to the educational institutions
[22:41] <kitche> UB does computer science and such in school of business
[22:42] <Cotowar> yea, but i will say though, there is a big difference in a comp engineering degree vs a com sci degree
[22:42] <peacedog> <Dominian>Thanks, My job right now is solid, I'm just looking at back up plans. Never can be too careful. If I have to go into the market, I want to be prepared and try to do something I enjoy. Getting to Old to "Just Work". Thanks again. ;-)
[22:42] <jkwood> Depends on the school.
[22:42] <kitche> Cotowar: true but it's all business school at UB unless it has changed since up there they been growing they have a mini city on the main campus
[22:43] <gar0t0> hi all
[22:43] <gar0t0> :)
[22:43] <Cotowar> com sci is kind of a flexible degree. there are MIS degrees and such that have com sci degrees
[22:43] Action: kitche wants to go back to school but does nto want to write a letter
[22:43] <kitche> at least to take the networking classes
[22:43] <ananke> peacedog : one thing i don't get though: a project manager is a much better/higher position on a food chain than an entry IT job. i would see more benefit in being a project manager, who knows the aspects of IT, than being an IT person who did some project management
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[22:45] <blkdg> can someone help me understand what failed: i am using 12.2, i got the latest ati catalyst driver, and i installed it using the build in Slackbuilds scripts.  then i installed the two packages it madem and i ran aticonfig . but i can't use the ati driver.  anyone?
[22:47] <ccfreak2k> The slackbuild for 12.2 was removed from sbo IIRC.
[22:47] <peacedog> <ananke>Agreed, I'm actually just "Crazy" about a back up plan. The Project Management field can be very specific to the business. Millwork is completely dependent on the Construction Industry. I'd just like to be diverse, if that makes sense?
[22:47] <blkdg> it made 2 packages for me ccfreak2k
[22:47] <kitche> project manager jobs can range from IT jobs to business jobs just depends on what the job is really
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[22:48] <blkdg> i mean the ati driver made 2 slackpackages for me. ccfreak2k
[22:48] <esom> does vesa support wide-screen resolution?
[22:48] <ccfreak2k> The ATI driver is not a slackbuild.
[22:48] <ccfreak2k> Even though it's capable of making Slackware packages.
[22:48] <blkdg> fglrx module and fglrx 710
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[22:48] <ccfreak2k> blkdg, did you remember to run aticonfig --initial?
[22:48] <ananke> peacedog : sure. although like Dominian mentioned, IT field is now overcrowded with folks. if you were looking at strictly an IT position, you'd be out of luck. however, project management experience will give you wider playing field. and of course, by combining it with the knowledge of IT, you'd be more marketable
[22:49] <blkdg> yes, i ran it like this:
[22:49] <blkdg> aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/x11/xorg.cong
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[22:50] <blkdg> i found that line in the aticonfig help listing
[22:50] <ananke> simply put, don't change your career path completely, but use your newly acquired knowledge/experience to enhance your current skills & career track
[22:50] <Cotowar> yea. ananke, what exactly do you do?
[22:50] <ananke> Cotowar : i'm a sysadmin
[22:50] <blkdg> ccfreak2k should i run it without the --input?
[22:50] <peacedog> <ananke>That's exactly what I'm looking for. The years of Project Management experience, backed up by Certs/Degree in IT.
[22:50] <esom> how to change boot console resolution?
[22:51] <Cotowar> for whom? if you dont mind?
[22:51] <ananke> Cotowar : a bioinformatics research institute, at virginia tech
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[22:51] <Cotowar> no kidding
[22:51] <peacedog> Just trying to decide if the certs or degree are worth more.
[22:51] <Cotowar> thats pretty tight
[22:51] <Cotowar> degree
[22:51] <peacedog> They both cost $!
[22:51] <Cotowar> hands down degree. as long as its at least a BS
[22:51] <ananke> peacedog : degree, especially if you already have credits
[22:52] <Cotowar> i know it man, im 35K in debt and still a freshman, now at a comm college
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[22:52] <twolf> ouch
[22:52] <blkdg> i will try it without the --initial ccfreak2k
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[22:52] <blkdg> brb
[22:52] <Cotowar> yea, that was the most expensive party of my life
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[22:52] <antler> Cotowar: wtf 35k in debt and still a freshman? student loans? how's that possible?
[22:52] <Cotowar> lol
[22:53] <ananke> peacedog : degree will teach you how things work, and you'll be able to apply it over and over. certs will dump a crap load of knowledge at you at once, over a narrow/specific subject, often vendor/product specific
[22:53] <Cotowar> I went out of state freshman year, failed out, then went and got an A+ cert like a dumb dumb, then went to comm college for a year with out of state tuition
[22:53] <esom> does vesa support vga=866?
[22:53] <Cotowar> so yea, thats 35K, and im a freshman in comm college
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[22:54] <danc3> Cotowar: there may be a place for you in the Obama cabinet
[22:54] <danc3> massive spending with no results is their strongpoint
[22:54] <peacedog> Thanks for the input guys. I feel a lot better about a decision now. ;-)
[22:54] <Cotowar> yea. the thing is, im really quick once i learn something, i just have no motivation to sit in classes and review crap
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[22:55] <ananke> danc3 : right. because the results should be seen in less than 30 days.
[22:55] <danc3> less than 30 days?
[22:55] <antler> Cotowar: that debt will eventually grab you from behind and thrust itself into your anus over and over again until you pay it off....
[22:56] <Cotowar> danc3: the results are that i can play beer pong like a pro, ive been with more women than i can count, and know now what my priorities are
[22:56] <ananke> danc3 : figures, you're not able to grasp the idea of sarcasm
[22:56] <Cotowar> antler: yea, i know man, ive been picking away at it with every paycheck
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[22:56] <danc3> ananke: yeah, whatever
[22:56] <Cotowar> if it doesnt go in my gas tank, it goes to my loans
[22:56] <ananke> danc3 : ohh, that was a clever one
[22:56] <danc3> Cotowar: you should be proud
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[22:56] <nooper> i didn't even know slackware came with a cms package
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[22:57] <ananke> nooper : which cms does it come with?
[22:57] <nooper> littlecms
[22:57] <Cotowar> danc3: they were good decisions at the time, and i stand by them now. i just know there were better options, and i wont make the same mistake again
[22:57] <ananke> since when?
[22:57] <nooper> oh nevermind, its a Color Management System
[22:57] <ananke> nooper :)
[22:57] <danc3> Cotowar: and yet you still say "I have no motivation to sit in class..."?
[22:58] <Cotowar> i dont. i just do it. i dont want to, but i do
[22:58] <Cotowar> i know that without school i'll be stuck working at dollar general for ever
[22:58] <danc3> yeah
[22:58] <danc3> well, somebody's gotta work there
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[22:59] <ananke> you could join danc3's crew
[22:59] <Cotowar> lol, that someone shouldnt score 33 on the ACT and start college as a sophomore
[22:59] <danc3> ananke: what's your problem, anyway?
[22:59] <Cotowar> lol
[22:59] <danc3> what's with the hostility?
[22:59] <Cotowar> danc3: he lives in virginia
[23:00] <ananke> danc3 : what's your issue exactly?
[23:00] <danc3> ananke: you can't ask a question until you answer one
[23:00] <ananke> danc3 : sure i can. i just did.
[23:00] <Cotowar> lol, those are the rules of the game
[23:00] <Cotowar> stop breaking the rules!!!
[23:00] <antler> Cotowar: how old are you?
[23:00] <danc3> what's with the hostility?
[23:00] <Cotowar> just about 20
[23:00] <danc3> ananke: ^^^
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[23:01] <ananke> danc3 : you must have a funny definition of hostility
[23:01] <Cotowar> cynical is the word i think
[23:01] <antler> Cotowar: omg. do you have ANY idea how big a debt 35k is? (dood, i'm still dwelling on that)
[23:01] <danc3> ummm, no.  You seem to have a stick up yer ass over me, for some reason.
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[23:01] <Cotowar> yea, i do
[23:01] <Cotowar> trust me.
[23:02] <ananke> danc3 : and your comment wasn't hostile? ohh, the irony
[23:02] <danc3> no, it wasnt' hostile
[23:02] <danc3> yours were, though
[23:02] <ananke> danc3 : get over yourself. seriously.
[23:02] <danc3> like:  "You could join danc3's crew"
[23:02] <Cotowar> antler: i make $106 a week stocking shelves at DG, i will be paying for the rest of my natural born life if i dont get a degree. the funny thing is though, to do that i need 3 more years at  least, at about $20K each
[23:02] <danc3> and "oh, that was a clever one"
[23:03] <ananke> 'You seem to have a stick up yer ass over me,' is not hostile. like i said, a funny definition of hostility you got there
[23:03] <Cotowar> i have an idea
[23:03] <Cotowar> cyber hug!
[23:03] <antler> Cotowar: you're thinking about a degree in what?
[23:03] Action: Cotowar extends arms
[23:03] <danc3> ananke: that was an explanation to your question about "what
[23:03] <danc3> what's your issue"
[23:03] <Cotowar> antler: either computer or electrical engineering. i also wanted to go for the CCIE eventually, though i know almost nothing about it atm.
[23:04] <ananke> danc3 : nothing short of hostility
[23:04] <antler> Cotowar: ok, so long as it's not a degree in english, pyschology, or math :P
[23:04] <Cotowar> lol
[23:04] <antler> (or philosophy)
[23:04] <Cotowar> english
[23:04] <danc3> ananke: ok, how about you just hush up, and I'll do the same.  Got it?
[23:04] <ananke> danc3 : make me, kiddo
[23:04] <nachox> guys...
[23:04] <Cotowar> i said i want a degree. i dont want to be a pro book reader
[23:04] <ananke> see, i'm responding with the same level of 'hostility' as you are
[23:04] <Cotowar> lol, E-fight!
[23:04] <danc3> ananke:  lol!  noob.
[23:05] <antler> noob? not quite.
[23:05] <hitest> sigh
[23:05] Action: Cotowar waves to hitest
[23:05] <hitest> :)
[23:05] <Cotowar> and is it just me or did eviljames die on the way home?
[23:06] <Cotowar> he said he was leaving for a bit to drive home, but it was like 4 hours ago
[23:06] <antler> hahah pro book reader :D
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[23:06] <Cotowar> my ex gf was an english major
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[23:07] <blkdg> i still can't get x to start with the ati driver
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[23:07] <antler> that's why she's your ex, i take it. "ohhhh, ahhhh" aren't real words, they're monosyllabic grunts. find other words to express your satisfaction after you ejaculate. :P
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[23:08] <Cotowar> lol
[23:08] <Cotowar> i did. i rolled over and went to sleep
[23:08] <hitest> lol
[23:08] <Cotowar> man, i have no shame. really.
[23:08] <blkdg> i tried aticonfig --initial,
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[23:09] <blkdg> i tried the wiki instructions again.
[23:09] <Cotowar> my gf was not unix-based either. i tried "sudo make me a sandwich" and she didnt get it
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[23:10] <antler> Cotowar: alas, you're only 20. enjoy the college-girls-gone-wild days :P
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[23:10] <Cotowar> the wild days are gone
[23:10] <Cotowar> now im stuck with random cougars around town
[23:11] <blkdg> aticonfig --resolution=0,1024x768 and it didn't work either
[23:11] <antler> blkdg: have you tried the driver available at ati.com?
[23:11] <blkdg> it is from ati
[23:11] <blkdg> it has the ability to make slackpackages
[23:11] <antler> is that what you did?
[23:12] <blkdg> it made the module and fglrx710
[23:12] <blkdg> yes
[23:12] <Cotowar> antler: what do you do as a career?
[23:12] <antler> blkdg: i've had good luck just typing #sh ati-whatever
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[23:12] <antler> blkdg: then running aticonfig --initial afterwards
[23:13] <blkdg> ok, will try that
[23:13] <antler> Cotowar: i teach philosophy
[23:13] <Cotowar> how do i turn a USB drive into a boot installer for slackware?
[23:13] <blkdg> see you after the next crash
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[23:13] <ccfreak2k> antler, he's using the Slackware package that the ATI driver churns out.
[23:13] <ccfreak2k> Why he doesn't just use "aticonfig --initial" is beyond me.
[23:14] <Cotowar> antler: where? i have a few friends as education majors around the US
[23:15] <antler> ccfreak2k: i know. just running the script and aticonfig --initial have always worked for me
[23:15] <antler> Cotowar: i'm in canada
[23:15] <Cotowar> oh
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[23:15] <Cotowar> any help making a flash drive bootable?
[23:17] <Cotowar> if i dont have a root password, how do i log into a root shell?
[23:17] <ccfreak2k> Does just hitting enter...not do anything?
[23:17] <Cotowar> says authentication failure
[23:17] <Cotowar> screw it, ill just set a root PW
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[23:19] <blkdg> ok, i used removepkg to get rid of the two packages that the ati driver built for me and i ran the ati installer on its own.
[23:19] <danc3> Cotowar: you don't have a root PW?
[23:19] <Cotowar> ubuntu
[23:19] <danc3> Cotowar: are you using Slackware?
[23:19] <danc3> doh
[23:19] <ccfreak2k> blkdg, why don't you just run "aticonfig --initial"?
[23:19] <blkdg> i got an error msg that told me to look at the ati installer log
[23:19] <Cotowar> nope, ive been trying to get it to install, but everything is fighting me
[23:20] <danc3> Cotowar: fighting you?
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[23:21] <Cotowar> alright. i have a computer that i want slackware on
[23:21] <Cotowar> i have a REALLY shitty internet connection
[23:21] <Cotowar> it took me days to get the dvd .iso for slackware
[23:21] <Cotowar> then i realized that my laptop cant burn DVD +R, but thats all i had
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[23:22] <Cotowar> so i had to copy it to my external, which is wired into my bedroom, and unwire and transfer to my office comp
[23:22] <Cotowar> burnt the DVD, then realized the comp i want slackware on is too old to read DVDs
[23:22] <blkdg> ok, i tried aticonfig --initial and started x and it crashed again
[23:23] <danc3> Cotowar: you mean it doesn't have a DVD drive?
[23:23] <Cotowar> so i tried burning a mini-installer, and mounting my external and getting the .iso that way, but it doesnt see the external
[23:23] <antler> blkdg: did you load fglrx or reboot?
[23:23] <Cotowar> yea
[23:23] <danc3> I see
[23:23] <Cotowar> its a 400MHz P2 with 128MB PC 100
[23:23] <Cotowar> im OG like that
[23:23] <danc3> you may have to download the first two CD's
[23:24] <ccfreak2k> Cotowar, is the "external" a USB mass storage device?
[23:24] <Cotowar> yea
[23:24] <ccfreak2k> IME it won't be available right away.
[23:24] <blkdg> i aticonfig --initial, then i typed startx then it crashes, then i reboot then i slam my head into the wall and then i irc to here from runlevel 3 !
[23:24] <Cotowar> 500GB usb, but my mini-installer cant find /dev/sda1
[23:24] <ccfreak2k> If you know what device it is, you can use something like cfdisk to try to open it.
[23:24] <ccfreak2k> Wait at least 5 seconds, then try again.
[23:24] <ccfreak2k> It should then be available for mounting.
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[23:25] <Cotowar> i dont know how to do that. i did ls -a, and it wasnt there
[23:25] <danc3> cfdisk /dev/sda
[23:25] <ccfreak2k> You're going to have to know how to mount a block device, otherwise you're SOL.
[23:25] <blkdg> antler am i missing a step?
[23:25] <Cotowar> dont know how to do that
[23:25] <danc3> is the external formatted as NTFS?
[23:26] <Cotowar> no i think its FAT32
[23:26] <Cotowar> not sure though
[23:26] <danc3> the basic mounting method is:
[23:26] <danc3> mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/hd
[23:26] <danc3> make sure the directory /mnt/hd exists first
[23:26] <ccfreak2k> Use -t auto instead.
[23:26] <danc3> yeah
[23:27] <ccfreak2k> mount will figure out what the filesystem is for you.
[23:27] <danc3> and you have to be root to do this
[23:27] <Cotowar> i have /mnt/hd
[23:27] <antler> blkdg: i'm not sure, but here's what i always did when i had a radeon x1600 (slack full install): 1. sh scriptname, 2. aticonfig --initial, 3. reboot. worked every time (except when it was ati's fault, which may be the case here)
[23:27] <blkdg> antler insmod fglrx dosn't work, i'm not sure what you mean
[23:27] <Cotowar> and it says /dev/sda does not exist
[23:29] <danc3> try /dev/sdb
[23:29] <blkdg> i was following someones advice, and sh ATI_scriptname and when it stopped it said there were errors in the ati installer log
[23:29] <danc3> or /dev/hdb
[23:30] <Cotowar> hdb is not a valid block device
[23:30] <Cotowar> and sdb does not exist
[23:30] <blkdg> ten i aticonfig --inital and started x, then crash
[23:30] <danc3> hmph
[23:30] <Cotowar> i know
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[23:30] <danc3> just start the CD's to downloading when you go to bed
[23:30] <danc3> heh
[23:30] <Cotowar> lol
[23:30] <Cotowar> yea
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[23:31] <Cotowar> its because AT&T is retarded and the connection to my house is crap
[23:31] <Dominian> Cotowar: where you from?
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[23:31] <danc3> dsl sucks
[23:31] <Dominian> danc3: not when compared to the bloated cable pricing
[23:31] <Cotowar> i live in Charlotte, I'm from up by chicago
[23:32] <Dominian> and the only carrier in the area is Comcast
[23:32] <Dominian> ahh
[23:32] <mibfb23> HI
[23:32] <danc3> Dominian: bloated cable at least works well
[23:32] <Dominian> danc3: DSL where I am works well
[23:32] <danc3> at least mine does
[23:32] <blkdg> the ati error log said that a direcoroty couldn't be switched / switched into.... let me run the installer again.
[23:32] <Dominian> So saying "dsl sucks" is either an ignorant generlization or you've had cable for far too long hehe
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[23:32] <mibfb23> please send me which i bindings my key?
[23:32] <danc3> DSL costs more than cable and is half the speed (at best) of cable
[23:32] <Dominian> danc3: uhh where've you been?
[23:32] <twolf> not here
[23:33] <Dominian> The only real advantage to cable are the higher speeds
[23:33] <danc3> where've I been?
[23:33] <Cotowar> danc3: im trying to talk my dad into calling AT&T and getting a fat clump of optical run to my door
[23:33] <twolf> dsl is cheaper than cable here, but not as fast
[23:33] <Cotowar> :D
[23:33] <Dominian> the downfall to that.. is shared bandwidth with everyone in your damn neighborhood
[23:33] <Cotowar> yea
[23:33] <Dominian> twolf: its like that everywhere
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[23:33] <Cotowar> though im in the middle of no where
[23:33] <Dominian> I've yet to see dSL cost more than cable
[23:33] <Cotowar> and i dont have cable
[23:33] <blkdg> how to i reboot my machine without using th power button, i mean change run level ?
[23:33] <danc3> the "shared bandwidth" has never been an issue for me
[23:33] <Cotowar> as a matter of fact, we cut the cable line out in the yard with a bobcat
[23:33] <Dominian> danc3: hehe.. stick a PC on the cable modem.. turn on Wireshark... let the fun begin
[23:34] <Cotowar> danc3: how much porn do YOU download...?
[23:34] <danc3> danc3: none
[23:34] <danc3> err
[23:34] <danc3> Cotowar: none
[23:34] <Cotowar> lol
[23:34] <Cotowar> wow
[23:34] <danc3> why do you ask?
[23:34] <Cotowar> was a joke
[23:34] <Cotowar> shared bandwidth
[23:34] <Cotowar> you know...
[23:34] <Cotowar> nvm
[23:35] <Cotowar> idk, i wish i was back at school... we had 10Mbps to the room there
[23:35] <Dominian> I've had both cable and DSL.. I prefer DSL at this point.. price points on cable are far too high
[23:36] <Cotowar> I dont pay for it so i dont really care. i just want fast and reliable
[23:36] <danc3> I don't give a damn about the price, speed is what matters
[23:36] <Cotowar> actually, i dont even care about fast, just reliable
[23:36] <Dominian> danc3: not to me
[23:36] <Dominian> danc3: not when I have a wife, kid, house, two cars etc etc etc
[23:36] <Cotowar> my connection cuts out all the time, i have to constantly reset the modem and my router bitches a fit
[23:36] <Dominian> Cotowar: what ty pe of modem?
[23:37] <Cotowar> Dominian: kick the wife out, more money for those Mbs per s
[23:37] <Cotowar> and its the one AT&T sent us
[23:37] <Dominian> Cotowar: that piece of shit 2wire?
[23:37] <Cotowar> IDK what kind, some shitty Motorola thing. and yea, phone in, ethernet out. thats it
[23:38] <Dominian> yeah its a piece of crap
[23:38] <Cotowar> yea
[23:38] <Dominian> you have U-verse or something?
[23:38] <Cotowar> ? what ??
[23:38] <Dominian> Do you have U-verse...?
[23:38] <danc3> Dominian: understood, I have the same expenses (and more), but some things you find a way to make room for
[23:38] <Cotowar> lol
[23:38] <Dominian> You said phone in.. ethernet out.. oh wait.. you mean phone in for the DSL.. nevermind
[23:38] <Cotowar> the kids eat every other day
[23:38] <Dominian> danc3: not for just internet
[23:38] <Dominian> danc3: I live 2 freakin' miles from verizon territory...
[23:39] <Dominian> I want fiber to the premise...
[23:39] <danc3> well, some day
[23:39] <Cotowar> Dominian: make the kids wear clothes 2 days in a row to save on laundry costs.
[23:39] <Dominian> AT&T offers something like that.. called U-verse.. but its fiber to the lightspan and copper to the premise...
[23:39] <Dominian> Cotowar: ha no way
[23:40] <danc3> my internet cable costs me about $45/mo.  Worth every penny to me.
[23:40] <Dominian> that's good
[23:40] <Dominian> Who's the carrier?
[23:40] <danc3> cox cable
[23:40] <Cotowar> man, i want a FAT clump of fiber to the premise. get me like 10GBps
[23:40] <Dominian> see.. they aren't bad
[23:40] <Dominian> Comcast is a nightmare
[23:40] <Cotowar> cant get cox here. and comcast is a joke
[23:40] <Dominian> Cotowar: never happen.. at least not anytime soon ;)
[23:41] <Cotowar> lol
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[23:41] <Dominian> Cotowar: You'd get *maybe* 15Mb down 5 Mb up
[23:41] <Dominian> that's what Verizon ws offering.. and it was damn cheap too
[23:41] <twolf> I dropped cox as my cable carrier when they charged me $5 to talk to a human about my bill
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[23:41] <blkdg> can someone help me with this error from the ATI install log: you must change your directory to /lib/modules/fglrx and then call ./make_install.sh ? i tried that as root and i get a compile error like this:
[23:41] <danc3> I think my Cox cable is 12Mbs down and 1.5Mbs up, for $45/mo
[23:41] <lee555J5> Dominian: Charter here in Birmingham, AL. 5 down / 512 up for $30/mo
[23:42] <Dominian> doh
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[23:42] <Dominian> blkdg: please pastebin the error
[23:42] <blkdg> right, but i need x.
[23:42] <blkdg> to get to pastebin
[23:42] <Cotowar> twolf, threaten with bombs.
[23:43] <blkdg> wait, tring
[23:43] <blkdg> trying
[23:43] <danc3> twolf: and what did you switch to after dropping your cable carrier?
[23:43] Action: Dominian is guessing DSL via AT&T
[23:43] <twolf> danc3: I went with dish network for awhile, now we got uverse
[23:43] <Dominian> uverse... argh
[23:44] <danc3> are you happier with that, or wish you had the cable?
[23:44] <twolf> I always had dsl as internet
[23:44] <Dominian> twolf: is that actually worth it?
[23:44] <danc3> oh
[23:44] <twolf> I am very happy with uverse
[23:44] <Dominian> but wait.. if you had dish.. the uverse "tv" stuff is basically dish network...
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[23:44] <masterx831> hey all
[23:44] <twolf> we got a great selection of channels for the money
[23:44] <twolf> Dominian: no the tv is a lot better than dish
[23:44] <Dominian> twolf: oh?
[23:44] <Cotowar> i need to get an infiniband port in my room. 96Gbps theoretical max transfer. how much do you think that would cost? getting a line from the ISP to my house, dedicated to me alone
[23:45] <Dominian> how so?
[23:45] <twolf> at least our package
[23:45] <danc3> I use "digital cable" for TV and am very happy with it, includes HD
[23:45] <twolf> way more channels for less money
[23:45] <Dominian> hrm
[23:45] <twolf> and great vod
[23:45] <Dominian> unfortunately.. I don't think I qualify where I am for uverse yet
[23:45] <twolf> and it doesn't cut out when it rains
[23:45] <Cotowar> i have directv for TV, i hate it. I had dish, but they wanted to cahrge like $1200 for dish mover, so we dropped them
[23:46] <twolf> we get 10down/1.5 up for $30 a month for internet now too
[23:46] <blkdg> exit
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[23:46] <Dominian> Cotowar: dear god.. 1200? where were you moving to alaska?
[23:46] <Dominian> Cotowar: I paid like 99 bucks
[23:46] <masterx831> when you upgrade your kernel
[23:46] <twolf> but I get a att employee discount
[23:46] <masterx831> what are we suppose to edit on lilo
[23:46] <danc3> masterx831: the "image" line
[23:47] <masterx831> i know its something in image
[23:47] <masterx831> danc3:  yeah i know
[23:47] <Cotowar> chicago to charlotte. we wanted new boxes for a different house setup, and they were dicks about it. they said it was because we needed an HD dish, and that was extra, and then the new boxes and shit
[23:47] <ccfreak2k> You don't need to edit lilo.
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[23:47] <danc3> masterx831: so why are you asking?
[23:47] <masterx831> it says /boot/'vmlinuz
[23:47] <danc3> yup
[23:48] <masterx831> what am i suppose to edit it too?
[23:48] <Dominian> Cotowar: you wnted HD?
[23:48] <danc3> the name of the new kernel
[23:48] <Dominian> Cotowar: or you had HD already and were moving?
[23:48] <danc3> /boot/whatever
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[23:48] <masterx831> danc3: but i dont have any idea about that /boot/ i got boot what is vmlinuz or whatever part
[23:49] <masterx831> the new kernel versuin?
[23:49] <masterx831> version
[23:49] <Cotowar> no, they said we had to get it
[23:49] <ccfreak2k> masterx831, did you set up LILO when you installed Slackware?
[23:49] <Dominian> Cotowar: I actually dropped DirecTV when we moved into our house because they wanted me to trade up my TiVO receiver to continue my DVR service.. when it was MY receiver.. pissed me off
[23:49] <danc3> masterx831: look in /boot, and use the filename of the new kernel in the lilo.conf
[23:49] <Dominian> Cotowar: uhhhh
[23:49] <masterx831> no
[23:49] <Dominian> Cotowar: they can't force you to get an HD dish...
[23:49] <masterx831> danc3: thanks
[23:50] <ccfreak2k> Dominian, build your own box and use mythtv. :)
[23:50] <Dominian> Cotowar: I would've been bitchin' until I got a manager/supervisor on the phone
[23:50] <masterx831> danc3: sorry i wasnt much specific about it i was stressing with this for an hr
[23:50] <Cotowar> they tried. they said the only satellite we could hit was HD, and we needed an HD dish for it
[23:50] <Dominian> ccfreak2k: no time
[23:50] <Cotowar> we did
[23:50] <Dominian> ccfreak2k: and the free services no longer exist the last I checked...
[23:50] <ccfreak2k> I'm pretty sure you can get DVB tuners that work with Dish.
[23:50] <Cotowar> they dropped the price from $1200 to like $700. directv was willing to do the same service for $400 full install and configuration
[23:51] <twolf> Cotowar: they won't do it for free when you sign a contract?
[23:51] <Dominian> Cotowar: without HD?
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[23:52] <Cotowar> twolf: we had to buy the boxes, but yea, base install was free. we got some shit downstairs. i dont even know i live upstairs by myself
[23:52] <Dominian> Well when we switched back to Dish.. THEY had sent us "coupons" for all this installation.. and when I called it in they were like "Wait.. you aren't new customers.. we can't use these... " and I said "Uhh you sent them to us.. to come back to Dish.. you might want to honor them.. not my fault you mailed them to us"  They had no choice but to honor them muh ha ha ha
[23:52] <Cotowar> we have like 3 HD boxes, and 1 without.
[23:52] <twolf> they gave us the whole system for no money down with an 18 month contract
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[23:53] <Dominian> Well if u-verse is cheaper.. hell I might have to switch to it
[23:53] <Cotowar> they charged us, but it was cheaper and the monthly bill is lower than it used to be
[23:53] <twolf> Dominian: It might not be cheaper without an employee discount, but the service is better
[23:54] <Cotowar> anyone want to go in with me on an ISP that DOESN'T screw people?
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[23:54] <Dominian> twolf: I don't qualify for it.. so... hehe
[23:54] <Dominian> scratch that idea
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[23:55] <twolf> Dominian: I think regular price it was about the same as dish
[23:55] <blkdg> hi here's the pastebin for the ati error log http://pastebin.com/d2957e920
[23:55] <Dominian> twolf: ahh so with you employee discount.. made it cheaper.. I see
[23:55] <blkdg> that's the result of just using sh ati_installer.run
[23:55] <masterx831> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 3535344 2009-03-24 23:43 2.6.29 it has no file name can i put 2.6.29
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[23:58] <Dominian> hrm..
[23:58] Action: Dominian searches netflix for some more DVDs
[23:58] <blkdg> i also tried what it said at the bottom of the error log You must change your working directory to /lib/modules/fglrx and then call ./make_install.sh in order to install the built module. but i got another error
[23:58] <Cotowar> everyone's opinion on windows 7?
[23:58] Action: Cotowar wonders if Dominian meant the pirate bay?
[23:59] <Dominian> Cotowar: No.. father-in-law got us netflix as a gift.. he's taking care of the bill...
[23:59] <Dominian> So I'm trying to think of movies I've wanted to see hehe
[23:59] <twolf> nice
[23:59] <Cotowar> oh, well in that case...
[23:59] <Cotowar> please tell me you are gettin them, ripping them, and sending them back
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