[00:01] what's a good FS for raid? [00:03] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:04] I use ext3 [00:05] but if I do raid.. normally I'll do the raid with LVm and ext3 [00:05] so I can resize the FS/partitions on the fly if I add more space etc. [00:05] ah [00:06] I'm guessing this guide is as good as they come? https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/RAID_setup [00:06] Reticenti: if you just have one hard drive, buy enough to make a new raid array, dump contents on there. [00:06] Reticenti: then store the original drive somewhere safe, perhaps the data won't suffer cosmic ray bitrot. [00:07] well, my friend is giving me 2 200gb drives [00:07] and i already havea 200gb drive [00:07] same make and model drives? [00:07] no [00:07] that doesn't really matter, just waste 1gb at the end of each drive and you should be fine. [00:08] jp_ (~jp@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [00:08] maybe 10gb. [00:08] Yeah.. that was goign to be my suggestion [00:08] Action: eviljames ducks for dodging conventional wisdom [00:08] I've upgraded to KDE-4.3.1 and have no icons. What could cause that? [00:08] jp_: were you using an icon set that is no longer installed? [00:08] jp_: system settings -> appearance -> icons [00:09] eviljames: why would i need to waste 1gb? [00:09] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:10] Reticenti: because if some day you need to replace one of those drives you may not be able to find one that is the exact same size as the drive you have, it might be slightly smaller due to the funky ways HD manufacturers measure bytes. [00:10] ah [00:11] but afaik it can't 'just switch' to raid5 the way you would want it to. [00:11] mmk [00:11] well, that's fine [00:11] i'll just do raid 0 for my media [00:11] and keep important stuff on a seperate hdd [00:12] eviljames: I guess that's it. But in the "Customize KDE Icons" I see 4 themes and none of them appear to be the original KDE. [00:12] I see Tango, Nuvola, Monochrome and GNOME [00:13] Reticenti: that's a good choice. [00:13] What is the original one? [00:13] Reticenti: but maintain a backup of your originals somewhere else.. don't put all your eggs in one basket, so to speak [00:13] eviljames: so, do i do mdadm to get the drives ready, then do LVM, then partition it? [00:13] jp_: did you do something like "upgradepkg kde/*t?z" and not --install-new ? [00:14] Reticenti: truth be told, I'd send you to the docs, they're very verbose but I haven't used linux raid in a few years. [00:14] No I did --install-new [00:14] Let me see... [00:14] jp_: just wondering if a package got missed that might've contained the icons. [00:14] eviljames: I cold also get a raid card for free too, would that be easier than soft raid? [00:15] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.51.87) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:16] Reticenti: well, that's one debate. on a high load machine hw raid has many advantages. in a home environment, I don't think it matters. [00:16] Yea, that's what I was wondering. [00:16] eviljames: well, i'm trying to find a lvm guide but it seems like it's pretty hard to do, maybe a hardware approch might be easier? [00:16] I don't see it in history but I'm sure I did: [00:17] installpkg -install --reinstall *.txz [00:18] installpkg -install-new --reinstall *.txz [00:18] But should have done upgradepkg -install-new --reinstall *.txg [00:19] But should have done upgradepkg -install-new --reinstall *.txz [00:19] Ok I blew it. [00:19] That was my mistake. [00:19] How shall I fix it? [00:19] I'll just go back and do the command I should have done, upgradepkg [00:20] Ok... BRB.. 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[00:31] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-13.0/README_LVM.TXT [00:31] Dominian: [00:31] yep that's it [00:31] cool, i'll start reading :) [00:32] hrm looks like oregonstate.edu is out of sync [00:32] fooy (1000@125.25.116.0.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:32] README_LVM.TXT doesn't appear on some of the more 'updated' mirrors [00:32] weird [00:32] korg815 (~korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [00:32] afk for a few [00:37] SupraMayon (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-eskwiihsavhcbvgc) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:37] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:38] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:40] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[00:57] castiell, you know more than me :) [00:58] hun...... [00:58] can anyone help me? [00:58] maybe at #math [00:58] i really need help..but found someone to help..is so...so...so dificulty [00:59] trhodes, lol...true [00:59] i'm from brazil..so my english is not very good [00:59] castiell: you need to clarify more where your problem is [00:59] rlg726 (~rlg726@ip68-0-51-144.no.no.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:00] what you all don't know is that slackware means algebra in portugese [01:00] mancha, ORLY? [01:00] YARLY [01:00] mancha: lol [01:01] no.cox.net, where's that ? [01:01] louisiana [01:01] my problem is...i have a notebook with chipset sis671, and this chipset there's no support ....but....always have something to do work... [01:01] ahh yeah [01:01] m^3n - 3m^2n^2 + 2mn^2 <-- iirc, that's some special relationship, but damned if I recall what. [01:01] associative ? [01:01] or... [01:01] yeah the relationship is known amongst the high-brow math phds as "nothing" [01:01] my Xorg is not running with correct driver [01:02] Well, it's his problem "simplified" - but if isn't able to do that, then he doesn't belong on IRC at all. [01:02] need to learn how to use parenthesis, too [01:02] 2+(-2)) [01:02] the resolution of X is...800x600 [01:03] he's a brazilian with little english libing in luling, louisiana. that setup is already wrong. [01:03] libing=living [01:03] Nobody down there speaks English - it's okay. [01:03] hah [01:03] yep, cause b is v and v is b [01:03] hmm - for a second thought you just had dental work done and it hasn't worn off [01:04] he's asking how to setup an encrypted luks partition on slackware 13.0 in #math right now [01:04] (j/k) [01:05] lulz, wut ? [01:05] haha [01:05] ha [01:05] African or Eur^U32 or 64 bit? [01:05] heh [01:05] N32! [01:08] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.77.173) joined ##slackware. [01:08] Quote about an iPhone app release: "You don’t need to be connected to wireless to use it (i.e., you can use it on airplanes, in North Dakota, etc.)" [01:08] The snark is strong with this one. [01:10] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:11] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:12] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:13] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:14] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [01:14] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:15] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4134, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-03-15 04:15:14 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [01:15] Urugami (~Urugami@adsl-6-72-87.msy.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:17] how awesome is this :-/ relocation error: /lib/libc.so.6.1: symbol _dl_starting_up, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 [01:19] you know.....how can you put the torrent link to peoples see and make download of slack...if you are ignoring someone like me...who need help.... [01:19] ? [01:19] i see...you will not help me..so.. [01:19] goodbye...newbies [01:19] castiell (~castiell@189.115.252.43.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:19] ? [01:19] hmm [01:19] wtf was that all about [01:19] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:19] he never stated his problem [01:19] can someone translate that for me? [01:19] aceofspa1es19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [01:20] translation: you didn't read my mind, therefore you won't help me. kthxbye. [01:20] gnubeedoobeedoo [01:21] aceofspades19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:21] doorayrayrahrah...:D [01:21] pass the gnubee^H^H^H^H^H^Hdoobeedoo^H^H^H [01:21] mancha ;) [01:22] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:23] has anyone played with google's skipfish yet? have you heard of it? [01:27] biker (~biker@201.170.193.117.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [01:28] nope [01:29] dchmelik (~d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [01:29] here's a good one for your lunatics: the latest beta of skype for Linux runs fine if I just extract the tarball and ./ the bin but if I build a package out of it and install the package, it segfaults under -current. [01:29] your/you [01:30] The only thing I can guess is that the stripping in the .SlackBuild is causing it. [01:31] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-169.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [01:31] yep [01:31] that was it. [01:31] Nick change: _guitarman_ -> _beerNinja_ [01:32] Nick change: _beerNinja_ -> _guitarman_ [01:32] weird [01:32] antiwire: that's not the first thing I've seen like that. Very odd. [01:32] Seems like the flashplayer was like that on x86_64 [01:33] freaking weird [01:35] veritos (veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:39] interesting, it just needs them symbols. [01:39] i ran into another thing that acted funny if stripped of those but i can't remember now (arghh) [01:41] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-95-109.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. 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[02:00] i have a file (flv), that is been streamed , i would like to watch it with mplayer .Are there any switch that i could pass to mplayer so the it becomes aware file is getting streamed rather than stop player when it reaches EOF. [02:01] BabaBooey (~DrgdHmstr@pool-72-88-231-20.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:02] BabaBooey (DrgdHmstr@pool-72-88-231-20.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [02:02] Axius (~hi@92.82.74.113) joined ##slackware. [02:02] init[1]: maybe buffer it [02:02] if you have the file, how is it streamed? [02:02] oh [02:02] it's being downloaded you mean? [02:02] Channel flood from echelon -- kicking [02:02] i think vlc is able to handle buffering of current downloads [02:02] echelon kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [02:02] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [02:02] sorry, it's the latency on tor [02:03] Axius (~hi@92.82.74.113) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:03] init[1]: vlc is able to buffer it.. i'm not sure about mplayer [02:03] echelon: /tmp/FlashC4mYaz <- this is usually seen as the streamed file. [02:03] Camarade_Tux: yea i'm doing that , but i can't watch in at the same time. [02:04] what's the error? [02:04] Camarade_Tux: once it reaches EOF it just stops [02:04] Camarade_Tux: no error [02:04] init[1]: have you tried vlc? [02:04] well, if it reaches EOF, it's over anyway :P [02:04] Camarade_Tux: what i want is the effect of "tail -f" [02:04] echelon: VLC is too much for this :P [02:04] echelon: its PITA to make one , lots of depen. [02:05] Camarade_Tux: hm :P [02:05] just use alienBOB's vlc package [02:05] you can maybe use something like tail -f, but well [02:05] antiwire: you mean static linked ? [02:06] dood. [02:06] antiwire: ;-) [02:06] `poop [02:06] lol [02:06] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:07] obnauticus (~obnauticu@c-71-236-128-26.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:07] init[1]: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/vlc/ [02:09] echelon: thank you :) i could have used it before. Was curious to know if mplayer has such option. [02:09] init[1], you could try -loop 0 with mplayer to the flash file..with 0 it'll loop indefinitely [02:09] -cache options ? [02:10] like -cache 8192 ? [02:10] or play a wgotten fifo [02:10] curl would be more appropriate there [02:10] '-bandwidth XXX' (see manpage) (along with -cache) [02:10] MLanden: so it will start from beginning again and not from where it stoped? [02:11] Nick change: pragma_ -> fooprag [02:11] init[1], just when it reaches the end..then it'll start again [02:11] (zsh users have a =() option) [02:12] -bandwidth realy looks like it does what you want [02:12] MLanden: hm.., yea but what i'm looking forward is streaming effect. [02:12] Camarade_Tux: checking that [02:12] init[1], ok [02:12] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [02:13] i have read with much pleasure all the "solutions" being proposed and with each additional one i grow more confused about what the question is :) [02:13] Nick change: fooprag -> pragma_ [02:13] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:13] xP [02:14] i think init[1] just wants smoother streaming :P [02:14] disclaimer: i never knew what was being asked - even at the outset [02:14] and I think he wants mplayer to pause when it reaches the current end of the file until more data has been downloaded instead of exiting [02:15] it oughta block instead of bomb out [02:15] init[1]: actually, -bandwidth won't work since you're not using mplayer to download the file [02:15] Action: byteframe really needs this dd to be over. [02:15] that is mplayer's default behavior...it pauses while it gets more stream to play [02:15] init[1]: you may hack something with nc however xD [02:15] Camarade_Tux: hmm yea [02:15] mancha: not if the file is downloaded with another process [02:16] mancha: no i doesn't, it exit [02:16] s/i/it/ [02:16] byteframe, how large? [02:17] 930 gb to 1.8tb [02:17] I assume I can do this: dd a smaller ext3 partition to another larger space? [02:18] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:21] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [02:22] byteframe: You can dd a smaller disk to a larger disk and use parted to stretch the smaller disk's partition tables across the new, larger disk. [02:22] so, yes. [02:23] what % of the 930gb would you estimate was in use?> [02:23] mancha, less than 1gb left...:) [02:24] 929 out of 930 was used? wow. [02:24] antiwire, I did that after I cloned the root, earlier. [02:24] It doesn't matter how much was used or not. dd doesn't know the difference between empty space and used space [02:24] yup [02:24] it does matter a lot [02:24] no, it doesn't [02:24] Not here. [02:25] if he had said he was using 10gb in the 930gb drive i would have told him dd was a very dumb approach [02:25] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [02:25] asamoah (~caio@190.244.63.154) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:25] dd still wouldn't be dumb. dumb would be dd'ing 900GB when all you need to dd is 10GB [02:26] if i have a 930gb drive that is only using 10gb then dd'ing the drive is dumb [02:26] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [02:26] should have said "dumb deed" [02:27] how do you know what to dd in a 930gb ext3 drive? [02:27] that is using 10gb? [02:27] antiwire, so after this is done, would there be free space remaining outside the partitions? I dont think I've experianced this. [02:27] you shrink the partition first, then dd it. [02:27] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-154-190.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:28] yeah but that's a different situation, we're analyzing a case where the subject is dd'ing 930gb [02:28] and so in this case, it matters a lot how much of that 930gb was being used - as that is a litmus test i would use as to the intelligence of dd'ing the full drive [02:28] byteframe: If you dd a 10GB disk to a 100GB disk you will have 90GB of empty, unpartitioned space after the 10GB partition. Then you use gparted/parted to stretch that 10GB partition across the 90GB to fill the whole 100GB disk. [02:29] antiwire, ok. Ill expect that. I probably used gparted most of the time, but I forget. [02:30] another issue with dd'ing that i've just though of is that it'll be a bona fide image, byte for byte, structurally as well. which means if you have files with extra extents, that gets perpetuated [02:31] indeed it does, but that is sometimes a requirement [02:31] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-181-253.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:31] i think dd'ing is great if you want to do forensics or maybe even keep a backup for safekeeping. but to actually migrate an fs i'd go with fs-level tools [02:32] whatever dude [02:32] keep picking the fly shit out of the pepper. he used dd. get over it [02:32] mancha, I've had good enough for my simple ext3 stuff. [02:32] or just waste time :) [02:33] oh oh ok. byteframe cancel that dd and start over with another tool. that sounds like a really good idea. [02:33] right guys? [02:33] .... [02:33] Action: byteframe hit's ctrl-c [02:33] that's what I thought. [02:33] i didn't realize i needed to get over anything, just expressing my personal prefrence on fs migration. [02:34] at least I learned something :) [02:34] why don't people let me know when folks here have pms? [02:34] to be fair, I got a more inquisitive, not antagonistic vibe from mancha [02:34] well your opinion doesn't really matter or make a difference since he has been running dd for how long already? [02:34] i asked to be sent a memo at least 24 hrs in advance! :) [02:34] antiwire, 3-4 hours [02:35] my opinion always matters, and yes, at 90% completion i am not advocating he stop his dd, i was merely discussing fs migration philosophies [02:35] i always google those kinds of transfers before I do them to get an idea of how much those things matters [02:35] this might matter if he came here 4 hours ago asking what to use [02:36] and some of the pros and cons of each approach [02:36] but i seem to have hit a nerve or something. do you own dd stock or summit? [02:36] good lord I hope it's 90% done. [02:36] are you the dd developer? [02:36] 59.52 megabytes per second if not [02:36] did you marry a girl named deedee? [02:36] she has dd's [02:36] Action: trhodes hides [02:36] now that i can grok! [02:36] does she jog? [02:37] dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mancha [02:37] her middle name is valarie (dvd) [02:37] mancha wath fs tools you use to migrate [02:37] i used tar [02:38] oh go here we go [02:38] tar is a very good one [02:38] tar doesn't save xattrs tho [02:38] YES [02:38] gogogo [02:38] heh [02:38] tell me more about these fstools. [02:38] obnauticus (~obnauticu@c-71-236-128-26.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:39] what version of tar do you use?! [02:39] check out --xattrs [02:39] 1.16.1 [02:39] shit, old docs [02:40] it's not in the man page of that version tho [02:40] anyway i don't fiddle with extended attributes [02:41] tar is a gnu product, gnu doesn't like manpages. you must be reading someone's manpage and it might be obsolete [02:41] gnubee! [02:41] --help is the manpage [02:41] aah crap not the info [02:42] If you really want to understand tar, then you should run info and read the tar info pages, or use the info mode in emacs. [02:42] quote from the manpage :) [02:43] why can't we just settle on man [02:43] you gnunobbler! [02:43] i hate info [02:44] fwiw, i use tar 1.22 [02:44] if gnu tells me to use info, I shall. [02:44] yeah but 99 % of the time it's, the full documentation is in the ... [02:44] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:44] then you info it and it's an exact copy of the man page [02:45] even with the the full documentation is in the info ... crap [02:45] that to me means a lot of GNU people also loathe the info system [02:46] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [02:48] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.122.129) joined ##slackware. [02:49] hrmm, i lied. [02:49] http://www.gnu.org/software/help2man/ ought to at least be up to date [02:50] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:50] you need to patch tar for xattr which is why i have that option [02:50] ah, weird [02:51] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:52] also, you should move to 1.23 since 1.22 has that rmt bug [02:52] i_is_cat (~i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:52] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:53] it just looks in the wrong place for rmt ? 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[02:59] trhodes: a tad more info http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/tar [02:59] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.168) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:59] Rat409: thanks [02:59] sure [02:59] i was reading more about the bug here http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2010-0624 [02:59] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [03:00] ahh cool thanks [03:00] yw [03:01] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:02] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-61-204.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:03] well i'm yawning like crazy,time to sleep . night everyone have a good one. [03:04] Rat409 (rat@bb-205-209-95-109.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("="). [03:05] biker (~biker@201.170.193.117.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [03:05] Hermann (~Hermannn@m90-137-71-106.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. 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[03:19] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [03:20] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.74.241) joined ##slackware. [03:21] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:22] Nick change: SiegeX- -> SiegeX [03:22] SiegeX (219@c-76-102-150-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [03:22] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [03:23] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [03:25] cherife (~cherife@123.121.4.3) joined ##slackware. [03:26] Hermann (~Hermannn@m90-137-71-106.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:31] I am using an HP multi-function printer. Is there an alternative for CUPS+HPLIP ? [03:34] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [03:37] biker (~biker@201.170.193.117.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:39] Osiris2014 (~z@freecode-project/hacker/osiris2014) joined ##slackware. [03:39] brklynRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:39] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.74.241) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [03:40] hi, i need a little help reconfiguring my box via command line [03:40] i want to turn off DHCPcd and make a static ip, in slackware 13. [03:40] can anyone help me? [03:40] yes [03:40] edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf with your parameters - include setting the "dchp=no" [03:41] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [03:41] i was gonna point him to this: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network [03:42] that too :) [03:43] thanks alisonken1home [03:44] heheh [03:44] np [03:44] i love my syslogd terminal [03:45] you mean something like "*.* -/dev/tty12" in /etc/syslog.conf ? [03:45] -/dev/tty3 :) [03:45] ahh [03:45] it's nice :) [03:45] im the only one on the console [03:45] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-135.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:46] yay! [03:46] it worked [03:46] thanks [03:50] zed_DX (~kvirc@187.146.140.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:50] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.11) joined ##slackware. [03:51] Nick change: terry -> Guest59353 [03:55] I am using an HP multi-function printer. Is there an alternative for CUPS+HPLIP ? [03:55] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Quit: :) [03:56] Axius (~fd@92.82.94.28) joined ##slackware. [03:56] manually using lpr-ng, but you may have a problem trying to figure it out [03:57] alisonken1noc: So is `lpr-ng' a single package? [03:58] it's not so much the package, but you have to manually configure everything in it [03:58] cups will allow you to configure a printer a lot easier [03:58] via the web interface [03:58] How can one upgrade the kernel? [03:59] alisonken1noc: I hate web-based interfaces. [03:59] custom kernel or one of the kernels in the distro? [03:59] Mel-nix, use linx or lynx then [03:59] Axius: Instructions are located in the slackbook to compile your own kernel. [04:00] alisonken1noc: I use at times, still I prefer the UNIX style of editting text configuration files. [04:00] open the web interface in links [04:01] ^^ [04:01] alternately, go to cups documentation and read up on the cups lpadmin utility [04:01] alisonken1noc: What about an alternative for HPLIP (USB multi-function printer)? [04:02] CUPS undermines printing services [04:02] alisonken1noc: All right. [04:02] keep in mind cups is only the printer side, not the scanning side [04:02] alisonken1noc: So, SANE ? [04:02] for scanning, yes [04:02] if it's supported [04:03] hplip is the hp python daemon for auto device setup [04:03] setup being connecting to your computer and creating device nodes [04:03] What kernel version does slackware current use? [04:03] as well as monitoring [04:03] 2.6.33 [04:03] Axius ^ [04:03] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [04:04] http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 <-- look for the kernel update [04:04] sun mar 7 a/kernel-huge-2.6.33 [04:05] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.122.129) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:05] alisonken1noc: I dislike HP's attitude. When I bought the printer, it included 2 CDs: Windows and Mac drivers. No Linux! [04:05] because windows and macs need drivers - linux has them already built-in [04:05] for most hp printers, that is [04:05] cups has server me well [04:05] *served [04:06] so it's not an hp attitude issue [04:06] no mention of linux is, though ;) [04:06] the only thing I'm not fond of with hp (and some others) is making it hard to buy a non-windows machine, but that's because of ms mainlyu [04:07] alisonken1noc: Since my printer needs the HPLIP drivers, should they not have provided them? [04:07] and their new webpage sucks [04:08] hplip is not a driver - it's a python daemon for monitoring hp devices that get plugged in [04:08] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [04:08] besides, hplip is already part of slackware [04:08] alisonken1noc: So, can I do without it? [04:08] should be able to [04:09] just have to manage the devices by hand rather than hotplug [04:09] gogie (~paulnamua@unaffiliated/gogie) joined ##slackware. [04:09] the only possible reason I can think of requiring the hplip as a driver is because you have a win printer/scanner [04:10] hoobop (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:10] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Client Quit [04:10] what model is your multifunction? [04:10] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [04:10] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-177-83.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:10] alisonken1noc: HP PSC 1410 All in One [04:11] heh, 1510 is sitting next to me [04:13] Mel-nix, http://www.openprinting.org/printer/HP/HP-PSC_1400 <-- did you visit this page on linuxprinting? [04:14] Mel-nix, did you try using "links localhost:631" interface? [04:15] hoobop (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:15] alisonken1noc: Yes. [04:15] alisonken1noc: The interface, yes. [04:16] and you installed the hplip package from -current? [04:16] (I assume you're still on -current?) [04:17] alisonken1noc: Yes. [04:18] alisonken1noc: I tried to delete the current printer in order to create a new one. It was prompting me for a password. I never set it. [04:19] the password is your root password [04:19] you log into the webpage as root with your root password [04:19] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:20] and you don't have to log into your machine as root, just the webpage [04:21] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [04:21] alisonken1noc: I tried, but it does not work. [04:22] alisonken1noc: A username and password are being requested by http://localhost:631. The site says: "CUPS" [04:22] yes - you enter "root" as your username, and your root password [04:22] alisonken1noc: ^ That's the exect prompt. [04:22] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [04:22] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:22] yes, I know. I use the cups net interface all of the time [04:22] I try to upgrade to lynx-2.8.7-i486-1.txz with slackpkg. How can I do that? [04:23] alisonken1noc: I don't have a root password. [04:23] upgradepkg [04:23] su - [04:23] Mel-nix, you don't have a root password on your box? [04:23] alisonken1noc: Yes, I never set it. [04:24] hope you don't get hacked then [04:24] yarvin (~yarvin@155-197-58-66.gci.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:24] Slackware setup requires you to set a root password... [04:24] alienBOB, I thought it just asked if you wanted to set one, not that it required you to set one [04:24] alisonken1noc: You are right. [04:24] he is using rever psychology, all the time hackers are attempting to hack his root password he is like 'psych, I dont have one biches!" [04:25] alisonken1noc: slackpkg does not do that automaticly when I run slackpkg upgrade lynx-2.8.7-i486-1. [04:25] ssh doesn't allow login without a password afaik. so he should be safe. [04:25] axius - slackpkg only looks at what's in the repo - if you have a different package, use installpkg [04:25] or upgradepkg [04:25] Axius, upgradepkg [04:25] it's -current's version [04:26] (of lynx) [04:26] antler (~antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [04:26] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) joined ##slackware. [04:26] "Bad day to be mistaken as a troll. A person my husband works with got a call yesterday at work. Her mentally disabled son called and told her he caught a troll and had him in their closet. He told her not to worry, he was feeding him Skittles. When she got home, she found out he had a dwarf/little person census taker locked in their closet. Oops." [04:27] Axius, where is the file on your drive [04:27] I've changed the mirror to slackware current and I does not work. [04:27] I've changed the mirror to slackware current and it does not work. [04:27] slackkpg update first [04:28] and you may want to consider the README and HINTS files since major changes in some things have happened in -current [04:28] Axius, just download the package and upgrade it using upgradepkg. what's so hard about it? [04:29] slava_dp: I will do that. [04:32] cherife (~cherife@123.121.4.3) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:32] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-146-20.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:35] isn't tightvnc on SBo anymore? [04:36] oh, it's in extra/, found it. [04:38] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: pz [04:39] wedjat (~wedjat@unaffiliated/wedjat) joined ##slackware. [04:40] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:41] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [04:41] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:41] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [04:42] Nick change: Asmadeus_ -> Asmadeus [04:42] Mel-nix: You can create one. [04:43] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [04:43] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [04:44] I've upgraded vim and I get this error:vim: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.11' not found (required by vim) [04:44] pupiteee (~p@93.86.159.20) joined ##slackware. [04:45] Axius, did you use slackpkg pointing to -current when you're running 13.0? [04:46] alisonken1noc: yes, I did. [04:46] alisonken1noc: I am adding a new printer via the web-based interface. Please can you help me? [04:46] Axius, you need to look at -current changelog, then. there's a bunch of changes (including libraries) that got upgraded [04:47] Mel-nix, just follow the prompts. when the webpage asks for username/password, then "root" and your root password is what it's asking for [04:48] Axius, and having slackpkg point to -current and only updating >some< packages will bork your system [04:48] alisonken1noc: first I removed the older version of vim and then I've downloaded the new version and did installpkg. [04:48] Axius, if you got the new package from -current and you're running 13.0, then the libraries were changes. the new vim is trying to use an updated library that's not there [04:49] and I get this error:vim: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.11' not found (required by vim) [04:50] Axius, you CAN NOT install most of -current packages on 13.0. they will not work. [04:50] Axius: It means you've saddled a dead horse. [04:50] glibc has changed [04:50] Axius, either upgrade to -current fully, or rebuild the packages yourself for 13.0. [04:51] I guess I wasn't direct enough :) [04:51] or wait for the next release. [04:51] fooy (1000@125.25.122.222.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) joined ##slackware. [04:51] because omg the newest vim is so important 8-) [04:51] Delahunt, true, so true :) [04:51] flity (~foolity@123.121.4.3) joined ##slackware. [04:52] sensors-detect says i need ipmisensors for hardware monitoring... where can I get the right version of that for kernel 2.6.33.1? [04:52] fooy, modprobe ipmisensors ? [04:52] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-135.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:52] I was wrong to install a new version of vim without a full upgrade to current. [04:53] dchmelik (~d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [04:53] morning lads o/ [04:53] Axius, and read carefully, one change in -current was the switch which makes /dev/hd* now appear as /dev/sd* [04:54] Axius, you better stay safe on 13.0. when the time comes, update to the next release, not to -current. [04:54] o/ phrag [04:54] that's a good point [04:55] sure thing it is [04:55] flity (~foolity@123.121.4.3) left irc: Client Quit [04:55] best bet now is "removepkg vim" and slackpkg install vim [04:55] AFTER pointing slackpkg mirror back to a 13.0 mirror [04:56] or manually if you have sk1lz [04:56] 8-) [04:56] alisonken1noc: I've remove with pkgtool and I will change back to 13.0 mirror. [04:57] fooy, there's ipmitool on SBo, might want to try it... [04:57] does that work with ipmi on remote servers or the local server? [04:58] Action: slava_dp idk [04:58] nice - ".. perform remote chassis power control" [05:01] g'morning mates [05:01] spiraliz (~spiraliz@90.149.153.177) joined ##slackware. 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[05:26] Nick change: surround1r -> surrounder [05:26] Nick change: madbear_ -> madbear [05:32] goarilla (~goarilla@245.95-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:35] goarilla (~goarilla@123.87-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [05:38] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:38] janemba (~cacao@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [05:38] hello [05:38] what is the command that allow to record all the input/output from the tty ? [05:39] from a console or an xsession terminal emulator? [05:39] now i remember why i dont use ubuntu [05:39] gnrp (~gnrp@devrandom.physik-pool.TU-Berlin.DE) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:39] janemba: script(1) [05:39] a colleague added a new repo to sources.list and now he has completely fucked up mozilla-dependencies [05:39] alisonken1noc: from xsession terminal [05:40] look at the options - most x terminals have a history file you can set how many lines of scrollback and history to keep [05:40] this is the history but I'd like the output too [05:41] for example if I type ls [05:41] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [05:41] janemba: ^ [05:41] I'd ls and the results [05:41] *like* [05:42] in kde konsole, there's a scrollback menu option on the title bar. like I said, look at the terminal program you have for the scrollback and log functions [05:42] pupiteee (~p@93.86.159.20) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [05:42] but you can use "script" anyway :) [05:43] slava_dp: YES !!!! [05:43] thx this is exactly what I want :) [05:43] meh... this was what Mel-nix suggested [05:44] janemba: ^ [05:44] oh [05:44] Mel-nix: oh yes, sorry [05:44] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:45] I have a 10" screen with 1 millimeter character :) [05:45] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [05:45] excuses, excuses :) [05:45] ;) [05:46] I have a droid with a smaller screen [05:46] does that count? [05:46] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:46] Axius (~fd@92.82.94.28) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:46] janemba: Never mind. [05:47] hihi [05:49] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.52.241.static.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [05:51] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:51] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.52.241.static.user.ono.com) left irc: Client Quit [05:53] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-436215.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:55] alisonken1noc: Finally I was able to print a test page, from the web-based interface. Thanks to you and Delahunt. I would be glad if I could do it without the web-based interface. For now, I will fiddle with CUPS. I hope things will work out well. [05:55] pupiteee (~p@93.87.123.138) joined ##slackware. [05:55] Mel-nix, good [06:00] you're welcome Mel-nix 8-) [06:00] and trust the web based interface, it came designed by CUPS for CUPS, it's a good thing [06:00] yawn [06:01] i need a bowl [06:02] Action: Delahunt throws a bowl at dtanner [06:04] thanks [06:05] Action: dtanner eats cereal in it AFTER he gets the munchies [06:05] lol [06:05] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [06:05] so how are all you n00bs? [06:05] =) [06:06] Action: dtanner looks at his TURBO 386 mail server running 3.x =0 [06:06] Action: Delahunt thinks turbo and 386 are a contradiction 8-) [06:06] haha [06:06] paged mmu's are overrated [06:07] cp/m ftw ! [06:07] :P [06:08] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.111.69) joined ##slackware. [06:08] http://www.libimobiledevice.org/ sounds nice ( Tested with iPhone/iPod Touch 1G, 2G and 3G/3GS running up to firmware 3.1.3 ) [06:08] I m behind in what is hot and what is not in the hardware world. This is where I am currnetly on my best machine -> AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ -> Mem: 2909 2400 508 [06:08] quite fancy [06:09] I only have atoms at home :P [06:09] sweet! [06:09] hmm, I need to get the Terabyte maxtor installed so I can do some gaming and shit [06:10] my case on this HP sucks BAD, I am going to have to use a hacksaw to get to the hdd slot. [06:11] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:11] dtanner: lol [06:12] damn ff is hosed again [06:12] Morn [06:12] morning Zordrak [06:12] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [06:12] java can kiss my ass [06:12] EOF [06:16] Axius (~fd@92.85.217.176) joined ##slackware. [06:19] How to change the printer's destination name? [06:23] Mel-nix: http://localhost:631 [06:23] Mel-nix, the destination name (queue) is what you named it when you first set it up [06:24] the only way to change it is to delete the queue and make another queue with the name you want (no spaces/special characters) [06:25] Axius (~fd@92.85.217.176) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:27] alisonken1noc: Can I change it by editting printers.conf(5) [06:28] possibly - if you _really_know what you're doing [06:28] but with cups, it's not printers.conf - it's in the cups printer directory [06:31] flity (~foolity@123.121.4.3) joined ##slackware. [06:36] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:40] Nick change: Stx_ -> Stx [06:44] flity (~foolity@123.121.4.3) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:53] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: [06:55] spideyman (~steve@bas8-kitchener06-1242497177.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [06:55] marienz (marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) joined ##slackware. [06:55] http://www.e-castig.com/index.php?r=wWxs [06:57] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.66.128) joined ##slackware. [06:57] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [06:57] SPAM [06:58] anyone to ban spideyman ? [06:58] FOOD [06:58] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:58] that too ;-) [06:58] ohh please no not that! lol [06:59] you joined and the first thing you did was paste some spam [06:59] vehn_z (~vehn_z@h62-133-182-67.dyn.bashtel.ru) joined ##slackware. [06:59] oops [06:59] that's what she said [07:00] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:00] Ban? [07:01] looked like a spambot [07:02] some chans allow it some dont sorry [07:02] spideyman: spam isn't allowed on freenode. This is not a per-channel thing. [07:03] spideyman: don't do it again (on any channel) [07:03] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [07:03] Oh on. I changed the printer options to `draft', and nothing got printed. Then to `Normal Greyscale', still nothing printed. Then to `Normal Color' and finally the page was printed. The page appears slightly rotated and some text gone off. [07:03] Action: marienz finds an abuse link on the site he was spamming, hopes they understand english... [07:09] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) joined ##slackware. [07:09] alicephilippa (~alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:10] what could be wrong, that files in /tmp are being created read-only [07:10] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [07:10] bad umask or program is setting wrong permissions [07:11] would be my guesses [07:11] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [07:11] if i get a document at e-mail in thunderbird, i try to open it, it opens in read-only mode, when i look the file, it has: -r-------- 1 zux users 41984 2010-03-10 11:12 FRsaraksts1.doc [07:12] looks like it's just thunderbirds problem [07:12] did you try creating a test file in /tmp and see what there is [07:13] then it has normal permissions [07:13] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-78-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:13] zux1wrk: uhmm, because of exactly what you did. you opened the file directly from an e-mail [07:13] try saving attachment first rather than open attachment [07:13] that's very normal. if you want a read/write copy, save the attachment, then open it [07:14] ananke, yeah, but earlier i could edit it, it got saved in tmp as rw [07:14] and firefox does it too, saves as read-only [07:14] did you upgrade recently? [07:15] the latest current [07:15] might have been a security fix then [07:15] hmm [07:15] strange, but this is not the way i like it... :( [07:15] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [07:16] thunar also creates file with write permissions [07:18] setkeh (~setkeh@175.35.233.87) joined ##slackware. [07:21] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:23] spideyman (steve@bas8-kitchener06-1242497177.dsl.bell.ca) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:28] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:28] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [07:32] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-jcjmkckhmamqxzyp) joined ##slackware. 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[08:01] tsccof (~tsccof@201-15-189-240.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:01] newslacker (kc@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. [08:01] hi everyone [08:01] hey tsccof [08:02] trhodes: how are you? [08:02] doing OK, you ? [08:02] trhodes: fine [08:02] still doin' website work here [08:02] me too! [08:02] :) [08:02] still using quanta? [08:03] yeah [08:03] it is great [08:03] blackorca (~b@68-245-245-162.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [08:05] blackorca (~b@68-245-245-162.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:05] who is Ron? [08:05] setkeh (~setkeh@175.35.233.87) joined ##slackware. [08:06] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [08:09] What? [08:10] probably from freenodeslack.blogspot.com [08:11] wtf are you on about? [08:12] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:12] well, my brother is named Ron, but I don't think that's who you're asking about :) [08:13] tsccof (~tsccof@201-15-189-240.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:13] setkeh (~setkeh@175.35.233.87) left irc: Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi [08:14] tsccof (~tsccof@187.7.123.201) joined ##slackware. [08:14] tsccof (tsccof@187.7.123.201) left ##slackware. [08:15] tsccof (~tsccof@187.7.123.201) joined ##slackware. [08:17] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: DURgod [08:18] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:19] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:24] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. 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[08:54] rvs1st (~rvs1st@unaffilaited/rvs1st) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158] [08:55] slack64 is blah [08:55] i think i just puked a little in my mouth [08:55] hardly [08:56] TMI [08:56] Jeffroman: what were you hoping to get from it [08:57] slack_fish (~slack_fis@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [08:57] ClaudioM, im actually running it in vmware fusion [08:57] ClaudioM, for work purposes [08:57] ah [08:57] ClaudioM, and you would think it would be just fine [08:57] ClaudioM, i got the vmtools installed no prob [08:57] ClaudioM, its just buggy [08:58] ClaudioM, not vm's fault. the kdm doesnt remember my resolution ever [08:58] I've got it installed on a Dell Latitude D630 and it runs just fine [08:58] hmmm - works fine for me: desktop, laptop, and server [08:58] I blame VMware [08:58] ClaudioM, as soon as i go into properties it snaps right back [08:58] gah! The netbackup java administration client for v7.0 is 64bit only..... JUST because they set PLAT64FLAG="-d64" and dont allow you to install the java client without the main (64 only client) and dont ship a 32 bit jre. Bastards. Works fine with slacks jre and plat64flags unset [08:58] ClaudioM, other distros dont have that problem. [08:58] ClaudioM, in good news thats the only prob ive had with slack on fusion [08:59] Zordrak: hahaha :P [08:59] support for those other distros (especially Ubuntu and Fedora) are much better under VMware from my experience [08:59] but even that's debatable [08:59] I've had issues with earlier Ubuntu on VMware...haven't tried with slack [08:59] using xf86-video-vmware btw? [08:59] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7BFB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:59] ClaudioM, ehhhhh id rather deal with my rez issues vs. fedora or ubuntu [08:59] ClaudioM, :-) [08:59] indeed :-p [09:00] VMware in general has been getting on my nerves [09:00] ClaudioM, i used to use gentoo quite a bit 5 years ago in 64bit land without much issue [09:00] ClaudioM, i havent tried it [09:00] ClaudioM, not really worried about it though [09:00] wish VBox had a web interface like VMware Server [09:00] I love vbox [09:00] ClaudioM, at any rate, im thinking of just switching to a 32bit vm image [09:00] fair enough [09:01] but at least on actual hardware, slack64 has been a pleasant experience [09:01] got it running on that laptop I mentioned and on an HP with a hyperthreaded P4 [09:01] ClaudioM, yeah thats cool [09:01] at least I think it's a P4...could be something else fro all I know but it has slack64 [09:02] Action: ClaudioM SSHes into said box to check... [09:02] cpuinfo reports the CPU as a P4 3 GHz [09:04] flity (~foolity@123.121.4.3) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:07] cherife (~cherife@123.121.4.3) joined ##slackware. [09:07] cherife (~cherife@123.121.4.3) left irc: Client Quit [09:09] foolity (~foolity@123.121.4.3) joined ##slackware. [09:09] foolity (~foolity@123.121.4.3) left irc: Client Quit [09:12] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:13] I just read compiling everything from source is old school, but I am doing it all the time [09:14] fsilva (~fsilva@201.22.53.171.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:14] leif (~leif@2a01:600:0:1:224:e8ff:fef5:7bdd) joined ##slackware. [09:14] fsilva (~fsilva@201.22.53.171.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:14] tsccof: you doing it doesn't negate the fact that it's old school [09:15] ananke: thank you for pointing out the obvious [09:15] anytime [09:16] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:17] Rossonero (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:18] Jeffroman (~jeffroman@adsl-210-168-251.sdf.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:19] i disagree. when you need to fix some issue that requires a rebuild/version bump of a package, it does not relate to old school at all. [09:19] Rossonero (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [09:20] and I use sbopkg all the time, since I can easily change version/build options there. where's the school here? [09:20] flity (~foolity@123.121.4.3) joined ##slackware. [09:20] Jeffroman (~jeffreycl@adsl-210-168-251.sdf.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [09:21] it's not, new users are lazy [09:21] me too, I think it is a good way to do things [09:21] flity (~foolity@123.121.4.3) left irc: Client Quit [09:21] vast majority of users do not use distros that require them to recompile for bug fixes [09:22] do not care [09:22] flity (~foolity@123.121.4.3) joined ##slackware. [09:22] I don't think bug fixes are in question, but features and new versions for sure [09:22] a lot of popular distros don't even default to installing a development environment [09:22] zaltekk: yep [09:23] I can't stand using a distro to which I cannot easily package my own software if wanted [09:23] even when considering new features/versions are usually done by using development branches/repos in those distros [09:23] tsccof: if you don't care, then why bring it up in the first place? [09:24] ananke: I do not care about what the vast majority of users use, I just said it is fun to see how the person that wrote the text refers to compiling as 'old school' and some of us are still doing it daily and enjoying the way it goes [09:24] ananke: bit of humour [09:25] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-22-253.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [09:25] i can't stand a distro without compilers either. [09:25] you have a peculiar sense of humor [09:26] now this is funny: http://kuvaton.com/browse/14399/pink_jeweled_cat5e.jpg [09:26] lol! [09:26] it is indeed funny [09:27] slava_dp: every major general purpose distro has compilers. the only ones that do not are special purpose/tiny/etc. unless your complaint is really about 'ohh, it doesn't select compilers on the default install' [09:27] thrice`: i've been given the task of building custom php/apache RPM's for centos.. dep hell =P [09:27] >.< [09:27] ananke, s/does not select/does not have/ [09:27] phrags: i hope you're just reusing existing rpm spec files [09:27] I was never good with RPM packages, I think I've only made a couple. spec files are dumb [09:28] slava_dp: what are some distros without compilers? [09:28] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.59.101) joined ##slackware. [09:28] hm, Fedora has up-to-date repositories, and Debian has that 'build-essential' package [09:28] ananke, and requires internet access to get them. which is shame and a lot of megabytes to download. [09:28] general purpose that is [09:28] ananke: well that is a good idea, i'm fairly new with RPMs, but was worrying a bit about the spec files [09:28] I mean, _does_not_have_on_the_install_media_at_all! [09:28] slava_dp: so which one is it? [09:29] fooy (1000@125.25.154.116.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) joined ##slackware. [09:29] eh? ubuntu, opensuse are those that i've used. [09:29] phrags: seriously. take the spec files from existing packages and modify them. that's the safest method [09:29] slava_dp: opensuse has compilers on the dvd media. [09:30] flity (~foolity@123.121.4.3) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:30] ananke: will definaly do that now you've suggested... makes the task a little less daunting, thankyou =P [09:30] phrags: and save them afterwards in a safe place :) then simply rpmbuild -ba /your/spec/file [09:30] flity (~foolity@123.121.4.3) joined ##slackware. [09:31] phrags: what customizations do you have to do? [09:31] also, fedora has a nice CVS web to pick stuff from [09:31] just link to all required deps for our environment, and some custom rc scripts for different hosts really [09:33] setkeh (~setkeh@175.35.233.87) joined ##slackware. [09:33] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:34] l00t (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.91.194) joined ##slackware. [09:35] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:35] phrags: then i'd install full srpm, edit the spec file, and build your rpm. save the spec file. rinse & repeat for any patches that will come out, you'll just have to keep up with the versions [09:36] ananke: appreciate the advice, that's a good methodology and will probably save me a lot of time and hassle [09:36] hello [09:36] hi mirmillo [09:36] flity (~foolity@123.121.4.3) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:37] flity (~foolity@123.121.4.3) joined ##slackware. [09:37] slava_dp: ohh, and on the subject of 'a lot of megabytes to download', i don't think slackware is a particularly good example to compare it to, considering that the 'recommended' method is to install everything. this means downloading a bit more than what one would have to download with a distro that has a small net installer [09:37] Jeffroman (jeffreycl@adsl-210-168-251.sdf.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [09:38] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [09:38] fooy (1000@125.25.154.116.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:42] Woo! drbd-* SlackBuilds hit the repo :D [09:42] Action: Zordrak dances [09:42] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [09:43] anyone build kodos on slack? [09:43] Urugami (~Urugami@226.sub-97-229-190.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [09:43] I have a problem when try to clean the screen with ctrl + l does not work. what could be the problem? [09:44] setkeh (~setkeh@175.35.233.87) left irc: Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi [09:44] pprkut: fyi drbd 8.3.6 still shows on a searh on the SBo site.. dont know if that is intended.. [09:44] i wonder if drbd will get other than raid1 equivalent [09:44] mirmillo_: prob binded to something else [09:44] mirmillo_: clear ? [09:44] flity (~foolity@123.121.4.3) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:44] ananke: it already does dual primary [09:44] ananke: with a cluster fs thats a major boon [09:44] mirmillo_: kde may be over riding it [09:44] dngr (~dngr@119.237.139.231) left irc: Quit: disconnecting from stoned server. [09:44] i was looking at drbd recently. slap ocfs2 or something similar on it, and it would be decent [09:45] flity (~foolity@123.121.4.3) joined ##slackware. [09:45] phrags: I didn't even install kde. [09:45] mirmillo_: so your window manager [09:45] ananke: indeed.. personally I use it to create RAID61 with local hardware raid6 and drbd doing the raid1 [09:45] ananke: once you slap pacemaker on top to handle auto failover it becomes a very beautiful thing [09:46] too bad there aren't many mainstream distributed fault tolerant filesystems right now. i'm debating lustre [09:46] phrags: I dont have a wm, I only console based system. [09:46] mirmillo_: see if tput clear works [09:46] Action: phrags just googled drbd and ended up at a religious site =/ [09:46] i was trying to find info on starfish, which seemed to be a cool concept, but it seems to have disappeared. last info on it is from 2007 [09:47] phrags: odd. it ought to be the first hit [09:47] Zordrak: nope. Fixed, thanks :) [09:47] probably pebkac then =P [09:47] trhodes: tput clear it works. [09:48] tsccof (~tsccof@187.7.123.201) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:48] trhodes: but ctrl +l still does not work. [09:49] mirmillo_: i have that issue too and have been needing to fix it for a while [09:49] just setting a different term works [09:49] TERM=xterm or so [09:49] not ideal [09:50] trhodes: Where do put that? [09:50] trhodes: Where do I put that? [09:50] just in your current shell. some things will act strangely (usually ncurses apps) [09:51] in .bashrc [09:51] no [09:51] slack_fish (~slack_fis@59.72.110.45) left irc: Quit: ‚» [09:51] it's just a hack, not a fix [09:51] don't you want ansi instead of xterm for color support? [09:52] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:52] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.111.69) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:52] Skywise: What is ansi and what is used for? [09:53] its a terminal type that supports color commands which xterm doesn't [09:53] tsccof (~tsccof@187.7.123.201) joined ##slackware. [09:53] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:54] Skywise: How do I setup it then? [09:54] I haz colors here [09:54] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:55] its in your terminal configuration [09:55] and you look at the man page to figure out how to change that [09:55] colors work on xterm for me :/ [09:56] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.77.82) joined ##slackware. [09:56] you see dircolors? [09:57] ananke, I can use slackware without any internet connection, having only my dvd, and some extra packages on a usb drive. with other distros, you'd need to create your own repo, etc. plus it's a problem to get individual packages since they all require a million dependencies, so it's hell. [09:58] I love how slackware does not split packages. [09:58] mirmillo_: open xterm, Edit > Preferences > enable "Run command as login shell", run ls [09:58] Skywise: I sure do [09:58] tsccof: mirmillo_ is not in X [09:58] hmm, its never worked for me [09:58] and how slackware does not have -dev packages, they are so ugly. why create a special package just for headers? [09:58] I dont have X. [09:59] i've not done any research, but does this recent 'apparently severe' firefox bug affect slack ? [09:59] Skywise: this ctrl+l clear-screen weirdness has been a peeve of mine for some time now [09:59] trhodes, i see theres a xterm-color definition now [09:59] yes [10:00] phrags: yes. the 3.6 version [10:00] no slack security announcement? [10:00] hmm [10:00] maybe today [10:00] phrags, 3.6 is only in -current afair. [10:00] and -current is not guaranteed to receive timely security updates. [10:01] oh, nope, 3.6 is in 13.0 also. [10:01] bind -x '"\C-l"':"clear" # might be a decent workaround [10:01] just checking for my own peace of mind =) [10:01] mirmillo_: ^^ [10:01] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:01] trhodes: what [10:02] mirmillo_: just binding the "clear" command to control+l, since readline's seems to be so fickls [10:02] *fickle [10:02] I'm still here. [10:03] mirmillo_: that bind -x above is the lazy fix for this issue; it could go in .inputrc [10:04] trhodes: ok [10:04] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [10:05] mirmillo_: but I think the terminal desciptions are lacking and I haven't figured out how to improve them [10:05] How do I find the device name of my USB printer? [10:05] trhodes: I dont have .inputrc [10:05] mirmillo_: you can start now :) [10:05] I need to make one then? [10:05] yes [10:06] Mel-nix: run 'lsusb' [10:07] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:07] tsccof: Bus 004 Device 002: ID 03f0:4d11 Hewlett-Packard PSC 1400 [10:08] Mel-nix: is that what you needed? [10:09] tsccof: I needed/expected something like `/dev/*'. [10:09] trhodes: thank you for your suggestions and help. [10:09] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:10] mirmillo_: you're welcome, just be aware that it's not a very good fix [10:10] Mel-nix: hm [10:10] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) joined ##slackware. [10:10] tsccof: Actually, I am using a program called `ink', and I need to pass the device name as an argument. [10:11] Mel-nix: you can look around in /sys/bus/usb/ [10:11] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [10:12] l00t (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.91.194) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:12] or /dev/bus/usb [10:13] lsusb points out the device and in /dev/bus/usb you have the bus folders and the devices in them [10:13] ahh /sys/class/printer [10:13] maybe you can use that as the argument [10:14] How can I stop sshd for starting automaticly? [10:14] chmod -x the init script in /etc/rc.d [10:14] chmod -x /etc/rc.d/rc.local? [10:14] errr [10:14] rc.sshd [10:16] ok [10:19] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-65.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:19] what's a better way of dereferencing symlinks than parsing ls -l ? [10:19] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:19] rm /*? [10:19] whoops, readlink [10:20] lol [10:20] i couldn't remember there for a bit [10:20] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [10:22] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:22] darn basename, the basename of {} is not {}, IMO [10:22] that's just weird [10:22] what is a basename? [10:22] Action: tsccof feels stupid [10:23] trims leading directories from a pathname [10:23] i kind of wish it would bomb out on non-file arguments, but I bet there's a good reason it does what it does [10:24] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [10:24] tsccoff: if you have /some/directory/file.txt, then basename would be file.txt [10:25] alisonken1home: thanks :) [10:25] derf` (~derf@188.72.255.195) left irc: Quit: sleep [10:25] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:26] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:27] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [10:28] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [10:28] if I compile 2.6.33.1, when running 'make install', does it move the compiled kernel itself to /boot? [10:28] and System.map, etc [10:29] tscof: maybe [10:29] but why do you need a newer kernel? [10:30] tsccof: dont use make install [10:30] Action: Zordrak points tsccof back at the guide [10:30] http://www.slackwiki.org/Kernel-packaging is interesting [10:30] alisonken1home: there is really no need for a newer kernel, I am just curious ;) [10:31] one way to check is look at the makefile and see what it does for "make install" [10:32] from that page: Note: Do not use 'make install' or 'make modules_install', even with O switch, as this *will* install to /boot and /lib/modules. [10:33] sQuEE` (~narya@201.252.25.192) joined ##slackware. [10:33] sQuEE` (~narya@201.252.25.192) left irc: Client Quit [10:35] yeap [10:35] i dont package kernels... but i still dont use make install, only make modules_install [10:39] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:39] slava_dp: uhmm, i can do the same with opensuse dvd. not sure how your argument holds water. not to mention, you seem to be misinformed about what comes on that dvd, since you thought compilers were absent [10:39] not that again :p [10:40] well, I must go now [10:40] bye [10:40] tsccof (~tsccof@187.7.123.201) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [10:41] Zordrak: packaging kernels is for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orville_Redenbacher's [10:41] ananke, the repositories and dependincies thing just makes me scared. when I can't cd to a dir and install a simple package because it will compare about a zillion of unsatisfied dependencies, I don't like it. [10:41] trhodes: huh? [10:42] Orville Redenbacher -- a brand of popcorn [10:42] slava_dp: you being scared doesn't reflect the reality. anything that comes on those media can be installed, and dependencies are provided [10:43] so.. packaging is for popcorn? [10:43] popcorn kernels? [10:43] Is anyone using `ink'? [10:43] slava_dp: not to mention that within 10 minutes i can have a custom built installer image, or live cd, or vmware image, with the packages i want. [10:44] ananke, you can? that's nice :) [10:44] (ok, that humour went "whoosh"... :P) [10:44] anybody with a web browser can [10:44] trhodes: humour? really? [10:45] ananke, you mean the factory thing, or whatever opensuse provides? [10:45] slava_dp: not factory. susestudio [10:45] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:45] trhodes, joke grenade.. just waiting for it to go off. :) [10:45] or "pop" [10:46] *sigh* [10:46] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. 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[11:38] thrice` (~thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:38] brainvision: and it's looklike this (http://www.myup.ir/image-3A42_4BAA548C.jpg) [11:38] trhodes (~tom@38.104.216.66) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:38] hey [11:39] trhodes (~tom@38.104.216.66) joined ##slackware. [11:39] does anyone know how to send an attachment ? via tha linux mail command ? [11:40] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [11:40] Agiofws: Do you mean with mailx(1)? [11:40] Does anyone know how to set your default monitor to use as a primary? Does it matter the order they are in in xorg.conf in the "Monitor" sections? It's making my 19" primary (dvi) and I want it to be the 24" (hdmi) [11:40] Using fglrx [11:40] nah mail ... Mel-nix [11:41] http://imagebin.org/90161 [11:41] fiyawerx: xrandr has a --primary option for outputs... So 'xrandr --output DVI-0 --primary' would (presumably) do it. I've not tested that with fglrx, personally. [11:41] thrice` (~thrice@38.104.216.66) joined ##slackware. [11:41] thrice` (~thrice@38.104.216.66) left irc: Changing host [11:41] thrice` (~thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [11:41] Agiofws: `mail' is actually a symbolic-link to `mailx(1). Check it out. [11:42] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [11:42] fiyawerx: I'm not aware of any xorg.conf option for it, though. [11:42] @ Blue-Slacker: nice shot [11:42] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [11:42] mail -> /etc/alternatives/mail [11:43] mailx -> /etc/alternatives/mailx [11:43] Agiofws: wtf? slack doesnt use alternatives [11:43] this is debian slack :) [11:43] Agiofws: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2009-11-20 16:09 /usr/bin/mail -> mailx [11:43] yah i saw [11:43] brainvision: but i want change menu bar and use your menu bar on that screenshot you give me yesterday [11:44] Agiofws: #debianslack then [11:44] still tryinf to find an attach ... option [11:44] Agiofws: Anyway, the switch for attaching is `-a'. [11:44] in mailx ? [11:44] Agiofws: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mailx+attachment [11:44] Agiofws: Yes. [11:44] ??? [11:45] its not in the man page ... [11:45] XGizzmo__ (~XGizzmo@216.23.247.74) joined ##slackware. [11:45] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:45] wow i did not know that google had an auto pilot [11:45] :) [11:45] >.< [11:45] Agiofws: Did you check the man-page for mailx(1)? [11:45] trhodes_ (~tom@216.23.247.74) joined ##slackware. [11:45] Alan_Hic1s (~alan@216.23.247.74) joined ##slackware. [11:46] Alan_Hicks (~alan@38.104.216.66) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:46] http://imagebin.org/90163 [11:46] -a Specify additional header fields on the command line .... [11:46] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:46] mail [-eIinv] [-a header] ... [11:46] thrice` (~thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:46] Agiofws: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mailx+attachment [11:47] Agiofws: BYE NOW [11:47] bah caps [11:47] bye Zordrak [11:47] trhodes (~tom@38.104.216.66) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:47] make sure you let the door smack you in the ass on the way out [11:48] oh [11:48] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [11:48] sorry i thought you had to leave :) [11:48] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:48] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) joined ##slackware. [11:49] chess (~chess@216.23.247.74) joined ##slackware. [11:49] chess (~chess@216.23.247.74) left irc: Changing host [11:49] chess (~chess@unaffiliated/chess) joined ##slackware. [11:49] vbatts (~vbatts@216.23.247.74) joined ##slackware. [11:49] Agiofws: This is ##slackware, so I have helped you with my knowledge of this distro. If you seek about some other distro then check the appropriate document(s) or ask in the appropriate channel. [11:49] tick (tick@80.48.171.119) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:49] ok guys .. i just asked a generic linux question [11:50] slackware users seem to have the best experience ... in command line tools [11:50] Agiofws: Maybe, but what is `mail' on Slackware, is not mail on your distro. [11:50] ok [11:50] plus its a question whos answer i-s ONE google search away [11:50] we're not your mummy [11:51] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [11:51] i saw hat but i though there was an option for attachments [11:51] Agiofws: You are right. They certainly are. Since the distro is such: Most UNIX-like. [11:51] yeah [11:51] there we go again with 'most unix-like' :) [11:51] hi ananke [11:52] alexcg (~alexander@77.247.171.217) joined ##slackware. [11:52] slackware-aix ftw? [11:53] not as l33t as ultrix-slack. [11:53] slack-hp-ux [11:54] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.13.179) joined ##slackware. [11:54] vehn_z1 (~vehn_z@h62-133-183-82.dyn.bashtel.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:54] bahh, DOSlack [11:54] Zordrak, what if i want to send text + jpg attachment ? [11:55] toasterslack [11:55] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [11:57] paul424 (~chatzilla@host253.ii.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:57] oki I have tool foobar file1 which formats the source how can I use it and move the output to the current file ? the foobar file1 > file1 nor foobar file1 >> file1 does not work properly [11:57] Agiofws: Send them as 2 separate files attached. [11:57] i assume you assume the -a option ? [11:58] Agiofws: Yes. [11:58] would LOVE to see SPlack (SPARC Slack) [11:58] paul424: first place to check is manual for foobar and see if it can work on files in place [11:59] paul424: Are you trying to write to the original file (file1)? [11:59] Mel-nix: yes [12:00] Xires (~Xires@66.190.79.122) joined ##slackware. [12:00] well the foobar does not have that option [12:00] then you're SOL. you need to write to a temp file instead [12:00] paul424: I don't think that works, since I once ended-up wiping out the contents of the original file. [12:01] yeap so whats the soluion ? [12:01] leif (~leif@2a01:600:0:1:224:e8ff:fef5:7bdd) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:01] < ananke> then you're SOL. you need to write to a temp file instead [12:01] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.13.179) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:02] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:05] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:05] paul424: I am NOT SURE if THIS WILL WORK, anyway you could try $ program < file > file.tmp && mv file.tmp file [12:05] XGizzmo__ (~XGizzmo@216.23.247.74) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:05] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [12:06] Zordrak: splack.org [12:06] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:06] no shit [12:07] i frigging made up SPlack on the spot! I had no idea. [12:07] lol [12:07] :-) [12:08] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [12:08] and there's also http://www.alphaslack.de/alphaslack.html [12:08] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [12:09] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:09] Nick change: Alan_Hic1s -> Alan_Hicks [12:10] Mel-nix, i cant find the -a option for the mailx binary [12:11] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:12] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:13] splack talking about 2.2 kernels.. if you want to run on sun4u, then install on something else then compile your own 2.4(!) [12:15] Agiofws: What is the name of your distro? [12:15] hehe ok [12:17] Zordrak: ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/splack/splack-12.1/kernels/hugesmp.s/ <-- 2.6 kernel [12:17] Agiofws: In case of Slackware, I send attachments in mailx(1), by using $ mailx -s "My Subject" -a my_attachment [12:18] ang: ooo lol [12:18] hehe [12:18] i have an example here ... uuencode banner.jpg banner_out.jpg | mail webmaster@example.com [12:18] Agiofws: Then I type out the body of the message and type `^D' (EOT) and the mail is sent. [12:20] heh.. foo.BobBuild [12:21] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-eydioeyjlliomcry) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:21] infro (~chatzilla@net-exoptimes.univaq.it) joined ##slackware. [12:21] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:23] infro (chatzilla@net-exoptimes.univaq.it) left ##slackware. [12:23] trying to make -f Makefile.in install but keep getting "Makefile.in:15: *** missing separator. Stop." [12:23] e01 (~e01@office.izrod.net) joined ##slackware. [12:23] line 15 being: [12:23] @SET_MAKE@ [12:23] googling doesn't solve it [12:24] me is pulling splack d1 rc9... cant resist [12:25] s/me/* Zordrak/ [12:25] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [12:25] euklides_: http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/v2faq/faq22_17.html <== have you seen that ? [12:26] Zordrak: what kind of sparc hardware do you have? [12:27] Mel-nix, [12:27] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:27] can i pm you ? [12:27] ang: SunFire T2000 [12:28] trhodes_: no, going to soon [12:28] ang: as well as two v250s, a couple of ultra10s and an ultra1 [12:28] Zordrak: personal or at work?! :) [12:28] too bad humans have to eat...=( [12:28] ;) [12:28] ang: theres a difference? ;) [12:28] hehehe [12:28] oh yeah.. and an E450 and an E250 [12:29] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:29] nice [12:29] there was more but it was given away for free so that some company would pick up all our old junk for free too, including monitors, servers, L1000s and 10 years worth of accumulated crap. [12:29] Two long wheel base transits neeeded! [12:30] e01 (e01@office.izrod.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.1.1"). [12:30] Agiofws: All right. [12:30] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) left irc: Client Quit [12:30] argh, anyone using easytag? [12:30] sparc is out, slack x86 and x86_64 is in. My network, my way :) [12:30] Necos: I've used it before [12:30] alkos333 (~alkos333@68-30-226-197.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:30] ang: just tempting to splack the t2000 instead of selling it [12:31] hehe [12:31] i've been putzing around with slackware on my alpha [12:31] 32 cores and 8GB of RAM.. worth doing if i have any massively multithreaded shit to do [12:31] the freedb servers have changed from blah.cgi to blah.php... was wondering if anyone successfully changed the servers in easytag and got a proper response [12:31] but single threaded stuff runs like a dog whos been on the ganj [12:31] oh, sorry. I don't use the database.. I manually do my tags [12:33] don't really feel like typing in everything in japanese, then matching the kanji lol [12:33] alexcg (~alexander@77.247.171.217) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:33] heh! [12:33] im out. ttfn [12:33] later Zordrak [12:34] later [12:35] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [12:35] I asked this in #samba earlier, but that room appears to be dead. [12:35] Good morning. I'm running samba-3.2.13 on Slackware 13.0, x86_64. I have three Windows 7 Professional clients and am operating samba as the domain controller. There is also a Windows Server 2007 system on the domain. Within the last two days, two of the workstations have refused to allow users to logon to the domain with the following error message: "the trust relationship with the primary domain controller failed" (or something similar. I don't have t [12:35] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [12:35] you need to enable ntlmv2 [12:36] SupraMayon (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-kpgczzjtggogavzt) joined ##slackware. [12:37] client ntlmv2 auth = yes [12:37] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:38] 2k8 server only uses ntlmv2, so when your clients try to connect, they use ntlmv1 and it says f-you [12:38] Necos: I don't think you're correct. [12:38] Alan_Hicks: What do you mean, server 2007? [12:38] i've seen the issue with windows 7 [12:38] According to smb.conf(5), "client ntlmv2 auth" is only used by smbclient to authenticate to servers. It's not used by smbd. [12:39] straterra: Server 2008. Typo on my part. [12:39] Oh, ok [12:39] I was like..ALAN HAS HIS OWN MICROSOFT SERVER OS?! [12:39] Alan_Hicks, i've had the same issue with win7 clients trying to connect to my samba servers [12:39] Necos: Do you possibly mean lanman auth? [12:40] nope [12:40] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:40] Necos: Ah! I think I may have found it. "ntlm auth", not "client ntlm auth". [12:40] bleh :P [12:41] same shit [12:41] No it isn't. :^) [12:41] If this otpion and ntlm auth are both disabled, then only ntlmv2 logins are permitted. [12:41] that's what you need to do :P [12:42] ntlm auth is enabled. [12:42] disable both so only ntlmv2 logins are offered [12:43] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [12:43] the problem is only ntlmv2 is supported by anything newer than 2k3/xp [12:44] now that the school i work for is getting win7 boxen, i gotta update all the configs on my servers :( [12:47] veritos (~veritos@207.155.204.151.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] tsccof (~tsccof@187.7.123.201) joined ##slackware. [12:48] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [12:48] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [12:49] fooy (1000@125.25.135.25.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:07] Ratrophy (~Burninato@75.133.165.191) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:09] looks like there was a patch for 2.1.6 released last year [13:09] sure enough [13:12] gnudb + freedb [13:13] they both changed their formats [13:15] Nick change: Fatalnix_ -> Fatalnix [13:16] john_dee (~id@95-29-180-25.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:17] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.108.174) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:17] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.108.174) joined ##slackware. [13:20] guess i'll find out if the patch worked in a second... [13:20] the patch doesn't seem to match the cddb stuff described in http://ftp.freedb.org/pub/freedb/latest/CDDBPROTO [13:21] but that's from '06 [13:21] duno :/ [13:21] easytag blew up on compiling libmp4 stuff lol [13:21] haha [13:22] wierd, it says it can't find mp4.h >.> [13:23] euklides_ (~euklides_@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:24] http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/mar/24/airport-worker-warned-body-scanner [13:25] trhodes_, can you do a locate mp4.h on your machine? [13:25] i did [13:26] mancha: having a full body scan is that traumatising? [13:26] if it involved a cavity search >.> [13:26] not seeing a libmp4 in -current ?! [13:26] wedjat (wedjat@unaffiliated/wedjat) left ##slackware. [13:26] Necos: the point is they do them so they don't have to touch you [13:26] raela only if your pic ends up in http://www.nakedcans4u.com :) [13:26] ugh [13:26] euklides_ (~euklides_@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [13:27] those body scanners belong in ##slackware-offtopic .. and I'll rant and rave about them for a while :P [13:27] it's an sbo package [13:27] ej, no... lol [13:27] okay! [13:27] Necos: hahahah TOO BAD :P [13:28] trhodes, it is patent encumbered in certain $locations [13:28] oh, and I don't have easytag installed [13:28] ergo, not packaged with slackware.. [13:28] i was looking at the files on sourceforge [13:29] trhodes_, you might need libmp4 for other packages though [13:29] maybe :) [13:29] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [13:30] the only mp4.h files I have are from libfaad2 (mplayer) [13:30] omfg >.> [13:30] if you want to do stuff with ipods you need it for example [13:30] no ipod here [13:30] to use apple store mp4 files [13:30] shudder [13:31] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.74) joined ##slackware. [13:31] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:31] faad2 has mp4ff.h [13:32] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:32] i wonder if there's another patch needed for that lol [13:32] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:32] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:32] patch for what? [13:32] theblackbox (~theblacks@188-220-123-147.zone11.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:32] apparently, easytag is looking for mp4.h [13:33] but libmp4v2 has mp4v2.h [13:33] also has mp4.h [13:33] at least here [13:33] version? [13:33] 20100218 or so [13:33] er wait, that's mplayer n/m [13:34] : [13:34] hahaha [13:34] 1.5.0.1 [13:34] libmp4v2-1.9.1 here [13:34] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-204-112.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:35] did you try an ln -s mp4v2.h mp4.h ? [13:35] i can confirm that yes, easytage depends on libmp4v2 [13:35] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-204-112.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:36] oh, Necos, just use --disable-mp4 on your easytage compile [13:37] well, i kinda need mp4 lol [13:38] try my ln hack [13:38] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-204-112.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:38] euklides_ (~euklides_@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:38] deprecated functions [13:38] looks like i'll have to compile the old one [13:41] i'd suggest fixing easytag to use the new api versus changing to old api [13:41] i bet it's minor stuff if the devs are good [13:41] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.7) joined ##slackware. [13:42] biker (~biker@201.170.193.117.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [13:43] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:43] hey all, I'm out of RWs and my install CDs are all scratched. I've just put a new HDD in my system and rejiggered some cables around so now I get a kernel panic - presumably because the boot HDD is no longer in the same SATA - I'm wondering if I can issue a command at the lilo prompt like you would at the install disk boot prompt? "hugesmp.s root=/dev/sdb5" or something .... sorry, been in winland for a while =S [13:43] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] root= is a valid kernel param [13:46] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-204-112.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:46] so I can pass that when selecting the boot option in lilo? I'm just not too lilo lingual [13:46] try it (tm) [13:47] I figured it took everything from the conf file [13:47] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:47] pragma_ (~pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:48] you're thinking of grub [13:48] nope, never used it [13:48] just "thinking" in a very limited sense [13:49] lilo writes to mbr [13:49] you have to rewrite to the mbr for any changes to take effect [13:49] in your case i suggest making a bootable usb [13:49] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [13:50] or get another cd and boot the kernel off of that [13:50] or type root=/dev/whatev at the lilo prompt [13:50] theblackbox: liloconfig can help [13:51] aha, yeah, that's looking like the best option in thhe long run, but for quickly doin it now passing the root at lilo prompt seems to work [13:51] I'll then get in and sort it out for good ;) [13:52] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-78-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:55] pragma_ (~pragma@blackshell.com) joined ##slackware. [13:55] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [13:55] Nick change: pragma_ -> Guest15876 [13:58] spiraliz (~spiraliz@90.149.153.177) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:01] sQuEE (~narya@201.252.25.192) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:02] sQuEE (~narya@201.252.25.192) joined ##slackware. [14:05] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:05] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [14:06] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [14:06] yuger (~add4e846@gateway/web/freenode/x-bwwgrkxlwufzihhk) joined ##slackware. [14:08] whats the default place of firefox installation on slackware ? [14:09] i mean wheres firefox is installed by default? [14:09] well the binary is in /usr/bin [14:09] more /var/log/packages/PKGNAME [14:09] everything else with libs should be in /usr/{lib,lib64} iirc [14:09] /usr/lib/firefox [14:09] okay [14:10] yuger: are you installing the flash player? [14:10] less is more than more [14:10] how can i "ping" a mac address? [14:10] yea tsccof [14:10] yuger: copy libflashplayer.so(you can get this file from adobe's site) to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so [14:11] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.15.93) joined ##slackware. [14:11] okay [14:11] yuger: restart firefox and you are all set [14:11] spiraliz (~spiraliz@90.149.153.177) joined ##slackware. [14:11] oxiredo_ro: i don't think that its possible to ping mac addr [14:11] okay tsccof , ty :) [14:11] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Quit: Elektro [14:13] oxiredo_ro: what are you trying to accomplish? [14:13] the thing you should always install after the ff flash plugin is the flashblocker add-on :P [14:13] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:13] or noscript [14:14] noscript ftw [14:14] mancha, this is gonna be fun lol [14:14] to see what ip have a computer in my network [14:14] oxiredo_ro: type netstat -a [14:14] i put flash in .mozilla/plugins so i don't have to keep isntalling it in lib64 for each FF update [14:14] ~/ that is [14:15] oxiredo_ro: also look into arp and arping [14:15] admboom: that is also a great idea! [14:16] echtts (~echtts@189-46-24-93.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:16] admboom: I upgraded Firefox to 3.6 using slackpkg and now I update it via Firefox itself as root [14:16] i have alinux machine that act as a router ; and i want to see from that computer( connected with ssh) what ip has a computer [14:16] why would upgradepkg remove the flash plugin? [14:17] mancha it wouldn't remove it, but it stays in lib64/firefox.old.version.x [14:17] it does not, but sometimes people manually upgrade Firefox [14:17] adm, /usr/lib/firefox/plugins or lib64 is not version dependent thogh [14:18] oxiredo_ro: you can use nmap with -sP on a range on your local network , nmap -sP 192.168.0.0/16 etc [14:18] gogie (paulnamua@unaffiliated/gogie) left ##slackware. [14:18] pupiteee (~p@93.87.123.138) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:19] tsccof (~tsccof@187.7.123.201) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:19] mancha, ls /usr/lib64/fi* gives me firefox-3.5.6/ firefox-3.5.7/ firefox-3.6/ [14:20] interesting [14:20] i use slackpkg for updates, no nothing trippy [14:20] adm, ok then you can always use /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins [14:20] admboom stop abusin my nick :) [14:21] tripFantastic, lol [14:21] i guess your builder is doing some symlinking in the build, i have my own ff compiler thing so i don't have that issue. [14:21] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Read error: No route to host [14:21] xsamurai, tnx [14:21] tnx all ^^ [14:22] wow, damn, lots and lots of deprecated warnings [14:22] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:22] hi [14:23] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.15.93) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:23] everytime I try tu put su -,., it gives me this error: bash: fork: Cannot allocate memory [14:23] :S [14:23] any idea? =/ [14:23] dont su [14:24] be root [14:24] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:24] BE ROOT [14:24] I love how nmap gives you a periodic status report [14:24] echtts (~echtts@201-95-187-241.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:24] Any idea how could I replace Tux or Taz with Stewie from Family Guy in the bootup processs? [14:24] biker, you broke something >.> [14:24] tripFantastic, but before I could do that, and also now it is very slow the konsole :S [14:25] be on console :) [14:25] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [14:25] tripFantastic, on console, terminal, lxterminal [14:25] all are very slow :S [14:25] non-x pls [14:25] biker: free -m [14:25] yuger (~add4e846@gateway/web/freenode/x-bwwgrkxlwufzihhk) left irc: Quit: Page closed [14:26] http://pastebin.com/wwYYU9Lx ; why that mac have 2 IPs ? [14:26] slow system, commands not running, maybe you're out of memory [14:26] xsamurai, it gives me the same: bash: fork: Cannot allocate memory [14:26] Azeotrope: google it [14:26] sQuEE (~narya@201.252.25.192) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:26] xsamurai, i have a lot of memory [14:26] biker: something might be eating it up, that error is in plain english [14:26] let me check on system monitor [14:27] biker how many open tabs and apps running? [14:27] the relevant question is not how much memory you have but how much free memory you have [14:27] paul424 (~chatzilla@host253.ii.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Iceweasel 3.0.6/2009020409] [14:27] tripFantastic, just two tabas on the console and thats it [14:27] close some damn apps :) [14:27] what's free -m say? [14:27] for example, i notice that when i have more than 83 tabs open in ff, that my mplayer skips a frame or two once in a while [14:27] you can always mess with /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory if you dare [14:28] that's why i setup 33g swap [14:28] lol [14:28] http://linux-mm.org/OverCommitAccounting [14:28] 33 GB? [14:29] I go for 666GB -_- [14:29] 33g swap is excessive >.> [14:29] yea, i had a free part to use [14:29] pupiteee (~p@109.93.121.209) joined ##slackware. [14:29] tripFantastic, I have just one app running, [14:29] ok [14:29] see uptime [14:29] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:29] well on system monitor,., 3 bash are eating 928 M of ram each one :S [14:29] i think u dont need more than 4GB swap .. [14:30] well, 33g swap workd so thffpt :) [14:30] biker, maybe you have a process limtbeing hit, that looks like some kind of runaway forks [14:30] limit being* [14:30] oxiredo_ro: if you setup an alias on the same nic, they will logically share the same mac address [14:30] and also lancelot is eating 50 % of the CPU [14:31] how to setup an alias for a NIC?:D [14:31] most likely kde eyes eating up the resources or the matrix wallpaper [14:31] mancha, what can I do? =/ [14:31] s/wallpaper/screen saver/ [14:31] kill them [14:31] ifconfig eth0:1 blah blah [14:32] er, start at :0 i guess. [14:32] Ugh [14:32] Don't use ifconfig any more [14:32] It's not 1992 [14:32] alas [14:33] mancha, but its like everytime I start the pc its the same :S [14:33] straterra: but its so sexy [14:33] Use the ip-route2 tools [14:33] xsamurai: no its not [14:33] ifconfig presents things in a non-logical manner [14:33] X is using 2.2GB of memory. anyone else have this issue? [14:33] dont you dare talk about ifconfig like that [14:33] ip addr add 1.2.3.4/24 dev eth0 [14:33] DONE [14:33] No aliases needed.. [14:34] biker what does pstree say is under those fat bash's? [14:34] logic does not compute :P [14:34] hmmmm, well, i found the culprit in easytag... [14:34] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:34] ifconfig work and to me presents things logically. [14:34] An alias for networking isn't logical [14:35] hey, can anyone recommend a good editor similar to n++ [14:35] i dont thing it is the alais thing (not in my router computer thing) [14:35] You should get used to NOT using ifconfig [14:35] do you understand what he means by aliasing? [14:35] I assume he means multiple IPs on an interface [14:35] yes [14:35] straterra, whats wrong with ifconfig? [14:35] That's not really an 'alias'...thats multiple IPs on an interface [14:35] slackin: Ever tried to do ipv6 stuff with ifconfig? [14:35] hahahahhahahaha [14:36] tru [14:36] lol [14:36] didnt think about that [14:36] we're not chinese :P [14:36] ip is much simpler..makes sense..and does everything in the one command [14:36] no more seperate route commands [14:36] route also sucks balls [14:36] that's arguing semantics though. long ago some old folks with gray beards decided to call that setup "ip aliasing" [14:36] pls look at this : ifconfig -a: [14:36] http://pastebin.com/CEpjVEKE [14:36] Yeah..and its the year 2010 and we have a better tool. [14:36] Use it [14:37] we also have the freedom to use the tool we want [14:37] i like ifconfig:D [14:37] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:37] Until it becomes deprecated and goes away [14:37] ipv6 and web 3.0 can goto hell, i'll stick with ipv4 and friendster [14:37] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [14:37] That's the spirit! Hang on to those ancient technologies until the grave! [14:37] ipv6 is a good thing [14:37] No need for progress! [14:37] i'll forard port it if we ever get to that grim place in life where ifconfig is no longer [14:37] so, whats the closest thing to npp in linux? honestly ive used a ton of stuff over the years but ive found that i like npp best [14:37] NAT is a terrible, terrible thing [14:38] but npp doesnt run in linux [14:38] hahaha [14:38] mancha: Go try to do ipv6 stuff with ifconfig [14:38] eviljames: progress is a lie propagated by the white man [14:38] godling: As a white man I resemble that remark! [14:38] heh, mancha, i fixed it >.<; [14:38] in real life people just form committees [14:38] lol [14:38] we are doomed as a human race if we think things like changing a simple networking userland tool for another represents any kind of significant "progress" [14:39] too late [14:39] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.108.174) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:39] mancha: we are doomed but for many other reasons [14:39] human race has been doomed for awhile now [14:39] far more tasty, i might add... [14:39] matu (~matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Quit: http://clicanimaux.com svp cliquez sur le bouton au millieu de la page pour nourir un animal abandonné, please click on the button and feed a poor and forseken animal for free ! http://clicanimaux.com [14:39] anyway... [14:39] eviljames has a very low bar for himself though, changing userland apps is "progress" for him [14:39] :D [14:39] lol [14:40] if aliens were to come right now, ppl of the world would pick someone like paris hilton to represent us [14:40] xsamurai, wouldnt you? [14:40] ;p [14:40] "So what did you accomplish in 2010?" "Well, i switched from ifconfig to ip!" [14:40] heh [14:40] like omg totally [14:41] xsamurai, lol [14:42] mancha: hahahah [14:42] and, if people rule the earth, after a while they would make some electric wire web and they would sit in chair, looking in some box and using their fingers to communicate. aliens. [14:42] ip is a better tool, though. straterra is right. [14:42] I like how you can sometimes get an idea of how old a person is based on what technologies they use. [14:43] you can use either at the same time [14:43] godling: what are you trying to say [14:43] ip is easier to type [14:43] i do not know how to use $ip [14:43] well thats true [14:43] xsamurai, he's calling us grandpappies [14:43] Action: xsamurai puts on diaper [14:43] the hell he is [14:43] IaVoR (~IaVoR@89.7.137.164) joined ##slackware. [14:43] Action: mancha takes out his dentures and scoffs [14:44] screw this, ima go put on my toupee, take a few blue pills, and ravage the town tonight just to prove godling wrong. [14:44] not in a disrespectful way [14:44] Action: raela steals mancha's cane [14:44] haha [14:44] that's not my cane! [14:44] Action: xsamurai types man ip [14:45] whose is it? [14:45] it's not _a_ cane [14:45] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [14:45] i sorta fucked up the joke [14:45] ah okay [14:45] biker (~biker@201.170.193.117.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:45] DenNOLA (~dennis@173-131-217-219.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [14:46] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:46] they call that a "senior moment", mancha [14:46] oh right. stil on the age thing. heh [14:46] Action: Skywise looks at the joke wreckage strewn around the channel [14:46] it's a windows moment [14:47] You know, they say the memory is the second thing to go. [14:47] you forget what the first thing is? [14:47] Why, did you? [14:48] your willy [14:48] so much hostility [14:48] i rather lose #2 before #1 [14:48] stop talking about willies, that's off topic [14:48] now get off my lawn! [14:48] it would make a good joke [14:48] as soon as i say willy , jeev shows up [14:48] mancha, XGizzmo, take out your checkbook, we need your last 10 bux [14:48] time for me to go [14:48] "They say memory is the second thing to go" "What's the first thing?" "I forget" [14:48] jeev loves the cock [14:49] that's why, xsamurai [14:49] godling, them cockaldoodooldoo's [14:49] everybody in the OC does [14:49] haha [14:49] but jkwood has to go all asshole on me, so he ruined the joke's progression [14:49] i love cooking a nice cock up, slicing it into deli.. becomes the best chicken sandwich on earth [14:49] Action: xsamurai back to work [14:50] Action: Skywise watches the joke debris pile up [14:50] mancha: Technically, you ruined MY joke. [14:50] mancha: you're the one who jumped on the punchline. :P [14:50] hovercat (1000@r11lt208.net.upc.cz) joined ##slackware. [14:50] mr. crabapple [14:50] is the jok ein -current? :p [14:50] oh shit, i apologize. it was a joke and that was the punchline? [14:50] i thought i was being all clever and stuph [14:51] ip joke flush [14:51] Here's how it's supposed to go: [14:51] cant do that with ifconfig [14:51] Action: Skywise cries oh the humanity as jokes continue to fall like leaves [14:51] Me: They say the memory is the first thing to go. [14:51] didn't mean to. i best go back to doing things where i can't harm anyone/anything [14:51] You: What's the first thing? [14:51] Me: I can't remember... [14:52] it's always a gamble when you try to tell a joke in an irc channel [14:52] rip cause now that joke is offically dead [14:52] Alternatively: Me: I SAID, THE HEARING IS THE FIRST THING TO GO! [14:52] Hi there. I am trying to use pppsetup so that I can (ultimately) create a launcher for ppp-on, ppp-off. The pppsetup asks for my modem, which is a Sprint Wireless Card, and I am wondering how to locate it. I have Googled and come up short. [14:52] Action: xsamurai puts on yesterday from boys to men for manchas joke [14:52] chances are someone is going to take it too literally and massacre it :) [14:52] jkwood: hah, I like the alternative. Never heard that one before. ;) [14:52] Action: Skywise laments that the poor joke was in the pique of health and could of lasted many more years [14:53] jkwood: i still think willies go first [14:53] xsamurai: They don't have pills for your hearing. [14:54] IaVoR (~IaVoR@89.7.137.164) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:54] if i lose my memory and can still use my will then that would be great, i wont remember a thing [14:54] that would be awesome [14:54] *willy [14:54] you'd be the awesomest std vector EVER [14:55] except you'd never get to using it cause you'd keep forgetting [14:55] its a basic instinct no learning process required [14:55] so nothing to forget [14:55] having no memory sucks big time [14:56] "What is this thing and why does it feel like I've been banging it on a...uh... waht's that thing, that you grab to open a door again?" [14:56] theres a few people with that condition [14:56] well its funny, they still have long term memory, but they make no new memories [14:56] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:57] he says he always feels as if he's just woken up and everything prior is a just a blank [14:57] sounds like the movie 50 first dates [14:57] yeah, thats based on it [14:57] but this is more acute [14:58] so many little things we take for granted [14:58] everytime the guy sees his wife he feels as if its been a long time and he gives her a big welcome [14:58] even when its only been a few minutes [14:58] Hi there. My girlfriend seems to have gotten a sizeable hunk of salmon caught in the zipper of her jeans and I was wondering if anyone knows a terminal command that could help resolve this issue? (and now that I have you attention, my real question is up there somewhere^) [14:58] he can't remember what was said at the beginning of a sentence by the tme you finish speaking [14:59] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:59] spartanac (~spartanac@91.150.101.114) joined ##slackware. [14:59] dip her in olive oil and sautee lightly, the fish will be done long before she will and you can then flake it away [15:00] hahaha I love it. Once a problem solver, always a problem solver. [15:00] hopefully i can still do it after my willie stops working [15:00] DenNOLA: There's a specialdocument Sprint put out for that, I believe. [15:01] spartanac (~spartanac@91.150.101.114) left irc: Client Quit [15:02] http://www.sprint.com/pcsbusiness/downloads/Sprint_Mobile_Broadband_Setup_Guide.pdf [15:02] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [15:02] Action: slackie hi there \o [15:02] jkwood: no, see I'm already connected. Figured all this shite out last year. Downloaded chatscripts, all that. My deal is that when I sign on I open a terminal, su, then type: pppd call cdma. I'd like to figure out how to edit ppp so that I have either an instant connection or a desktop launcher. [15:03] theblackbox (theblacks@188-220-123-147.zone11.bethere.co.uk) left ##slackware. [15:03] /etc/rc.local [15:03] on startup [15:03] or you can put it in your wm startup file as well [15:04] DenNOLA: wrap in a shell script, create a launcher that points at it. wrap in python if you want to make yourself a simple gui. [15:04] ew, salmon [15:05] tcl/tk ftw [15:05] fresh pan fried salmon marinated in olive oil and garlic a bit of parsley salt and pepper is very good [15:05] xsamurai: when you say "you can put it in your wm...." -- what is the "it" in the sentence? Forgive me, I am an eager, tenacious new(ish) Linux user. [15:06] DenNOLA: a script you would write [15:06] The only time I ever enjoyed eating salmon was when my friend put some in a smoker [15:06] smoked is good as well [15:06] it was fanfreakingtastic [15:06] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:07] xsamurai: that's what I have been trying to do, but I lack the know-how. Is there any literature that could point to a solution without me having to spend a year becoming bash-fluent? [15:07] (I mean, I'm still learning, but I want the on/off switch now) [15:07] Jiraia (~Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::5917) joined ##slackware. [15:08] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-176-229.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:08] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-176-229.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Changing host [15:08] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [15:08] you want an on/off switch? [15:08] DenNOLA: pull my finger [15:09] As useful of a suggestion as that may be, perhaps http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html might be more helpful. [15:09] godling You know, that's why I come here. I can always trust the humor of the elites to be lofty and highbroe. [15:09] eviljames: ok, I'll look. Thaks. [15:09] hahahahah DenNOLA I like you more now :P [15:09] you only mentioned on earlier , open up a file, paste your command in it, make it executable and you're done [15:10] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:10] echo 'ls -l' > a ; chmod 755 a ; ./a [15:10] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:10] then you reference a in your startup scripts for your wm [15:10] you might create another script for turning the service off [15:11] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:11] if you're using kde , someone here can show you how to create a gui and reference a script to it [15:12] DenNOLA: I try to mix a little from both columns. [15:12] xsamurai: You should probably disclaim how flawed that answer is. [15:12] Well, flawed is the wrong word. [15:13] perhaps, incomplete. [15:13] I wouldn't want an IRC channel becoming too pretentious. ;P [15:13] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [15:14] eviljames: i be busy right now with work, which pays money requires my attention at the moment [15:14] xsamurai: heh fully understood. Don't mean to sound overly harsh - my 'tone' on irc has been known to be blunt. [15:15] This is a documented bug in my discourse with humans. I swear much more at them than machines. [15:16] that's interesting [15:17] there's a mix of intent from one side and interpretation from the other [15:19] while some people might try to be curt I think a lot of people are naturally defensive. that's probably one reason why there's always a crapload of argument in these IRC channels. [15:20] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:21] Goddamn it, my wheels are spinning. I use xfce. I can create launchers that execute commands as user, no prob. pppd call cdma requires root priviledge. So I used visudo to add two lines to sudoers: %users ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/pppd, %users ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/ppp-off , then made a launcher with the command: terminal -e "sudo pppd call cdma" but it didn't work. Why?? [15:21] 20 oz tubs of chocolate pudding are the greatest invention ever. [15:21] Well hello thunder thigh's :P [15:22] lol [15:22] I rarely buy pudding. [15:22] but when you do, it's by the bucket load! :) [15:22] but I sit on my ass a lot lately, so it's more like thunder-bum [15:22] haha [15:23] (there's another low-brow joke in there somewhere) [15:23] ;P [15:23] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [15:23] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [15:23] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [15:23] what's up with the dns servers? [15:24] mancha: all of them? [15:24] oh yay, acm email [15:24] i am hearing about people having issues getting to wikipedia [15:24] IaVoR (~IaVoR@89.7.137.164) joined ##slackware. [15:25] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.77.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:25] ah [15:26] I am using the level3 dns servers and have no problems. [15:26] The-Croupier (~ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [15:26] i know yurp was upgrading one of its root servs today [15:27] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [15:27] greetings [15:27] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [15:27] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:27] ah, wasn't that at all: http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2010/03/global-outage-cooling-failure-and-dns/ [15:28] oh, europe [15:28] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-204-112.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:29] haha I love that first comment [15:30] How am I to study for my test without wikipedia!??!? [15:30] I feel his pain :P [15:31] How can a regular user shutdown the computer? [15:31] add him to the power group if you mean to do it through kde or xfce [15:31] depends on the app - some desktop environments (like xfce) will respect if the user is in the "pwoer" group [15:32] there's always gotta be a conspiracy-theorist in the group [15:32] if it's a window manager, you'll have to use sudo + the wheel group [15:32] "Funny fact, Google redirect it's china's traffic to an unfiltered search engine and Wikipedia goes down.. Yeah, it's just me being paranoid..." [15:32] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [15:32] obligatory snarky comment: tried the power button? [15:32] I dont have X. [15:33] go get it [15:33] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-204-112.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:33] mancha: google redirects its traffic anywhere anytime they want? [15:33] naraku (1000@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:33] Delahunt: I dont need X. [15:33] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.74) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:34] Action: Delahunt shrugs [15:34] mirmillo_: do you run only console based applications? [15:34] mirmillo_: add the proper entries to /etc/sudoers [15:34] akira42: yes [15:35] mirmillo_: hehe, interesting - me too [15:35] or just su shutdown ;) [15:35] mirmillo_: but I use X in combination with ratpoison and one big urxvt-window [15:35] if you want to type the password everytime [15:35] naraku (1000@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:35] camden (~camden@ancnat2.apto.aptalaska.net) joined ##slackware. [15:35] hi folks [15:36] hi camden [15:36] this might not be the place to ask this, but I'm having some frustrating trouble with dhcpd, is someone here familiar with that software? [15:38] DenNOLA: pm? [15:38] camden: might want to be more specific.. [15:38] zomg, rfid is everywhere. [15:38] camden: but, if you're not using slackware, any help might not apply to you [15:38] godling: I want to shutdown the system without to type the password. [15:38] camden: what kind of troubles? [15:38] mirmillo_: do you have root access on the machine? [15:38] I'm using a slackware derived firmware for a soekris net4801 [15:38] random patch question [15:38] the trouble I'm having is with dhcpd not properly assigning addresses. [15:39] my configuration looks like this: http://pastebin.org/121988 [15:39] godling: yes, I have. [15:39] and the following is my error: [15:39] DHCPDISCOVER from 00:21:9b:f1:89:8a via eth2: network 10.0.0.0/24: no free leases [15:40] there is a lease db file in /var/state/dhcp/dhcpd.leases which is writable by dhcpd [15:40] roliveira (~ricardo@bl16-232-143.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:40] camden: do you already have 100 devices on the network, or 100 IPs already leased? [15:40] I get the same error whether I use the public or the private interface. [15:40] no, there are 0 licenses currently given out. [15:40] mirmillo_: su to root, issue the visudo command and edit the file so that your user or group has access to one of the shutdown commands [15:40] try nuking the .leases cache file and HUP'ing the daemon [15:40] ++ mancha ; [15:40] dhcpd.leases is an empty file [15:41] I assume that eth2 on the machine is set to 10.0.0.1 already? [15:41] yes [15:41] and your 192.168... addresses all work as expected? [15:41] CcSsNET (~user@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] same issue: [15:42] DHCPDISCOVER from 00:21:9b:f1:89:8a via eth1: network 192.168.1.0/24: no free leases [15:42] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:42] what version of dhcpcd [15:42] what's the options for diff to create a unified patch? [15:43] isc-dhcpd-V3.0.1 [15:43] *what are [15:43] is it diff -N? [15:43] Necos, man patch [15:43] -unified [15:44] ah, it's -u... i scrolled right over it... thanks for the reminder [15:44] are eth1/2 aliases ? [15:45] no, they're not. [15:45] camden, what distrib do you use? [15:45] Immundus (~obi@g225060245.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:46] it's a little distro called schubox. it's essentially a super stripped down slackware that runs off of a ramdisk. [15:46] are you sure it's not a redhat/fedora derivative? [15:46] essentially a firmware for the soekris netXXXX series. [15:46] positive. [15:46] anyhow, i think it might be a bad dhcpd [15:46] hmm [15:46] did you try nuking .leases as i suggested? [15:47] yeah [15:47] no joy? [15:47] to no avail. [15:47] if .leases is empty and you have no problem setting the interface's manually, i would put the dhcpd server in debug mode to see what the server complains about, if nothing try strac'ing the dhcpcd process [15:48] it complains that there are no free leases: [15:48] DHCPDISCOVER from 00:21:9b:f1:89:8a via eth1: network 192.168.1.0/24: no free leases [15:48] godling (~nobody@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: Quit: http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop. [15:48] what's the dhcpd.conf look like? [15:48] unfortunately strace is not available. [15:48] DenNOLA (dennis@173-131-217-219.pools.spcsdns.net) left ##slackware. [15:49] http://pastebin.org/121988 [15:49] you nuked the .leases file and restarted the daemon? [15:49] yeah [15:50] What are the initial messages from dhcpd when it starts? It writes to the messagelog too [15:51] isn't 100-200 an invalid range? [15:51] http://pastebin.org/121995 [15:51] for the last number in an IP address? no [15:51] Necos: in what sense? [15:51] that's on the command line, lemme check messagelog [15:52] mishehu (mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:52] i remember many moons ago, dhcpd would complain if the beginning and end of an ip range didn't fall on a "bit-boundary" [15:53] or maybe i'm thinking of another dhcp server package... [15:54] camden: what you posted, is that exactly the dhcpd.conf that is used? Or did you leave out some lines for the pastebin post? [15:54] alienBOB: that's the entire config [15:54] there's nothing to hide in that config. [15:54] camden: i think you need to add a max-lease-time in there. [15:54] max lease time is set to something like 12 hrs by default, i think [15:55] or default-lease-time. [15:55] agentc0re: that's possible. it seems like the one host that is connected wouldn't have used up all 100 addresses in either pool in the time I've been working on it. [15:55] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:55] especially considering how often I've nuked the leases file. [15:57] camden: could set them both to be 86400, and by the end of each day, either they are renewed or dumped. [15:57] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:58] camden: depends how often this is happening. [15:58] first time I've set the machine up [15:58] /var/log # uptime 19:41:08 up 3:01, load average: 0.01, 0.01, 0.00 [15:58] use dnsmasq :) [15:58] mishehu (mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] lol [15:59] heh, was going to say the same mancha. [16:00] unfortunately that's not really an option for me. [16:01] roliveira (ricardo@bl16-232-143.dsl.telepac.pt) left ##slackware. [16:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-436215.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:01] why? [16:02] it's a firmware build and I'm not super confident that I could properly add software to it. [16:02] blatun_ (~blatun@p4FE8BB66.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:02] this isn't slackware you're running? [16:03] Ah, i just scrolled up. nm. [16:03] it's kinda-sorta slackware [16:03] dnsmasq comes with slackware by default. [16:03] you may already have it. [16:04] I actually just tested moving an executable from my desktop to this unit and it executed fine, so I'm going to try compiling 3.1.3 of dhcp and creating a slackware package from that, then untarring it into the root [16:04] what's nice is that if I screw somethign up I can just reboot, it won't affect the firmware filesystem unless I tell it to. [16:05] IaVoR (~IaVoR@89.7.137.164) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:05] dnsmasq comes with slackware.... [16:06] slackpkg install dnsmasq [16:06] hi, i'm using slackware 13 and need access to the files within an encrypted container that i setup with slackware 11 and cryptoloop (aes+twofish)... hm most elegant way? :P [16:06] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:06] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:06] agentc0re: will try [16:06] camden: you'd only need to do it if it already wasn't installed. [16:07] atm i use dm-crypt here with slackware 13 [16:08] and just want to copy the files [16:08] um, there's no isse? [16:08] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-204-112.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:09] question:(i am afraid of the answer): ftp..../slackware-current and ftp..../slackware64-current are different cos the first is 32bit and the later 64bit right? [16:09] blatun_, can you mount the cryptoloop file and copy them out of it? [16:09] The-Croupier, yes [16:09] shit [16:09] ooops, didnt want to type that there [16:09] lol [16:10] blatun mount using cryptoloop, copy them to a mounted dm-crypt container [16:10] lol [16:10] hey fire|bird lol [16:10] fire|bird: hiya ;) [16:10] heya Necos [16:10] hi The-Croupier [16:10] Delahunt: hm i can modprobe aes, cryptoloop but not twofish as far as i see [16:10] PRISMA (~jleon@190.40.236.190) joined ##slackware. [16:10] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [16:11] IaVoR (~IaVoR@89.7.137.164) joined ##slackware. [16:11] PRISMA (jleon@190.40.236.190) left ##slackware. [16:11] damn it >.<; [16:11] The-Croupier: lol, why? did you upgrade your 32bit with 64bit-current? [16:12] hm ok ... it was a nobrainer, don't mind [16:12] i can mount the container [16:13] agentc0re: nope, the contrary ;) [16:13] FUCK! [16:13] i nearly updated pkgs 64bit with 32bit ;) [16:13] mishehu (mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) left irc: Quit: cshells down, go boom [16:13] thought, it would be harder.. grmpf, sorry [16:14] mmuuuahahahha [16:14] after a uname-a ;) revealed x64, then slackpkg/mirrors --> saw i had slackware-current and not slackware64-current ;) [16:14] thank god there were no updates these two days ;) [16:14] blatun_ (~blatun@p4FE8BB66.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:14] i would have messed up big time ;) [16:15] yep [16:16] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-146-20.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:16] Guest15876 (~pragma@blackshell.com) left irc: Changing host [16:16] Guest15876 (~pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) joined ##slackware. [16:16] Nick change: Guest15876 -> pragma_ [16:17] all that work patching EasyTag and it's still broken ; ; [16:17] not easy is it? 8-) [16:17] Necos, get the trunk :) [16:17] eh? i thought it was already dropped [16:18] Necos: use tagtool instead. much easier [16:18] File transfer successful, transferred 73,302,016 bytes in 21 seconds [16:18] stupid docsis 3 [16:18] 3490572.190476 [16:18] so slow [16:19] heh [16:19] Cameron said: "Glenn Beck is a fucking asshole. I've met him. He called me the anti-Christ, and not about 'Avatar.' He hadn't even seen 'Avatar' yet. I don't know if he has seen it." [16:19] lol [16:19] but it doesn't support cddb [16:19] off-topic [16:19] yeah. its manual. thats part of its charm:) [16:19] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-146-20.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:19] sahk0, not when you have to type kanji >.> [16:20] pupiteee (~p@109.93.121.209) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:20] mancha, checkbook. now, [16:20] . [16:20] slackware, now. [16:21] mancha http://www.ehow.com/how_16747_write-check-irs.html [16:22] hey Necos, did you actually change all the API calls? like ...Writer to ...Composer? [16:24] slackpkg search pkg, looks like its searching for pkgs in extra/ but if i wanted to see all those pkgs from slackpkg looks like * doesnt work :( [16:25] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:26] Action: The-Croupier loves slackpkg [16:27] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: l8r [16:27] not all of them [16:28] it just generates warnings that the api calls are deprecated [16:29] but the problem is with the CDDB [16:31] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [16:36] shonudo (user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [16:36] pupiteee (~p@79.101.145.227) joined ##slackware. [16:37] hey guys.. [16:37] is it safe to disable the strigi thing ? [16:38] I'm not sure it's safe NOT to disable it. [16:39] because i just disabled it and the nepomuk if this is the correct spelling [16:39] IaVoR: is that kde right? [16:39] and they disappeared from my tray [16:39] yeah [16:39] i always disabled it ;) [16:39] so no harm is done :) [16:39] nope, ;) [16:39] cuz i kind of reformated 5 times for the past 3 days [16:39] :) [16:40] IaVoR: please tell me it wasnt because of the string index thing [16:40] strigi thing ;) [16:40] well actually i read [16:40] from a forum that this strigi thing [16:40] is some security breach or something :) [16:41] its not that safe :0 [16:41] well, it does present an api for all applications to read the contents of all your files [16:41] not sure the security breach is the exact word but i think you know what i mean [16:41] :) [16:42] any ideas how to re-enable it in the future [16:43] if i need to ? [16:43] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:43] har (~AndChat@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:15] not so easy, is it? 8-) [17:16] you think they'd call themselves DifficultTag until they made it easy ... [17:16] CcSsNET (~user@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:16] freedb is just borked [17:17] gnudb works with the patching, however [17:19] hmmm, but the manual search doesn't work (or isn't working for the titles i'm typing) [17:19] oh, no wonder :) [17:20] Jiraia (~Jiraia@2001:c08:3700:ffff::2693) joined ##slackware. [17:20] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Read error: No route to host [17:21] forgot to set it from freedb to gnudb for the manual search [17:22] Tadgy (~tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) joined ##slackware. [17:23] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [17:23] anyone know what package libopenal ships in? slackpkg search isn't returning anything, yet I have the library in /usr/lib64/libopenal.so.1 [17:23] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:24] cbpye: grep "usr/lib64/libopenal" /var/log/packages/* [17:25] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:25] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: ... [17:26] Tadgy, that also returned nothing. [17:26] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) joined ##slackware. [17:27] Then you did not install it as a Slackware package cbpye [17:27] Then it wasn't installed as part of a package - you installed it manually [17:27] openal is part of SDL isn't it? [17:27] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:28] And since openal is not part of Slackware, slackpkg does not find it [17:28] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E7BFB.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:29] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:29] Action: cbpye ponders [17:30] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:31] Slackware package /tmp/mariadb-5.1.44-x86_64-1_hmw.txz created. \o/ [17:31] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [17:31] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:32] if ti were part of SDL, then it would be in /usr/lib/ as well, for I have also installed the compat-32 version of SDL. [17:32] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:32] It is not part of SDL [17:32] cbpye: grep FILEYOUWANT /var/log/packages/* [17:33] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:33] Ah, nevermind. [17:33] Action: jkwood is slow. [17:33] Heh, I was wondering if there was a echo in here :) [17:33] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Quit: © [17:33] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.73.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:35] CcSsNET (~user@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [17:36] it was a guess... >.> [17:37] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:39] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:39] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [17:39] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [17:40] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-436215.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:43] wmaikon (~wmaikon@189.72.91.169) joined ##slackware. [17:44] guys, a theme ...being a theme.tgz doesnt mean it can be opened with installpkg right? its just a pkg.... which i suppose taring would be more advicable right? [17:44] not necessarily [17:44] a theme for what ? [17:45] .tgz = .tar.gz file - nothing more. [17:45] The-Croupier: Just because it's named .tgz doesn't make it a Slackware package. Some people use .tgz instead of .tar.gz in filenames. [17:45] Installpkg is pretty good about telling you whether it's a Slackware package or not. [17:45] s/some/many, many, many/ [17:45] The-Croupier, every slackware package is a tgz (except new ones which use another extention) but not every tgz is a slackware package [17:45] the distribution ships with .txz packages [17:45] THOSE are definitely slackware packages [17:46] Rubbish. [17:46] anyway, if the theme doesn't reuire compiling, you can probably just try ~/.themes/ or so [17:46] There is nothing stopping me from creating a .txz file with tar. [17:46] It's just an extension. [17:46] noone said you couldn't [17:46] [21:46] the distribution ships with .txz packages [17:46] [21:46] THOSE are definitely slackware packages [17:46] ^^^^ [17:47] "definitely" is incorrect. [17:47] um, huh? [17:47] since "those" is a direct reference to the files that ship with the slackware distribution, I don't see how yo make sense [17:47] the statement "the .txz shipping with the distribution are slackware packages" is of course correct [17:47] why get so stuck up on specifics ;) [17:48] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:48] thank you guys ;) [17:48] a better indication to file extension, would be format [17:49] if it's theme-1.0-noarch-1.tgz, that has a better chance of being a slackware package, than the file on jkwood's server called "KDE-pony-theme.tgz" [17:49] pwny! [17:49] wait, there's a pony theme? [17:49] My point was, you can't assume anything is a package just because of it's extension. What about files in source/ that may have the .txz extension? [17:49] They ship with the distribution, but aren't pacakges. [17:50] files in source/ are .xz not .txz! [17:50] thrice`: does this pony theme have actual ponies? if so, I'm so getting that [17:50] Tadgy: no, you were just being ornery [17:50] you'll have to ask jkwood, I stay away from it :> [17:50] Action: jkwood sarts working on a pony theme [17:51] sahk0: They are .tar.xz - but there is nothing stopping an upstream provider naming them .txz. Thats my point. [17:51] jkwood: oh, so the pony theme doesn't currently exist? [17:51] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:51] Tadgy, ok, you win. everyone of course understood your silly anal comment, no need to continue :) [17:52] I wonder if firefox has a pony theme.. [17:52] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:52] raela: DMCA takedown notice from thrice`, back from when he had a Macbook. [17:52] thrice`: lol. I wasn't being anal - I was being accurate. There's a difference :) [17:52] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [17:52] Tadgy, no, you were being anal [17:52] to some :> [17:52] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving... [17:53] jkwood: darn, I got excited for a moment :( [17:53] being millimetre accurate when it's in no way useful is the definition of being anal [17:53] this is the one jkwood created iirc: http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/persona/91610 [17:53] M'kay. [17:54] aww, pony! [17:54] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:54] init[1] (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [17:54] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [17:55] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [17:56] Jiraia (~Jiraia@2001:c08:3700:ffff::2693) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:56] though maybe I could make my own.. hrm [17:56] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [17:56] Guest73137 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [17:57] Old_Spike0 (Old_Spike@213.37.175.73.dyn.user.ono.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:57] I'm pretty sure that's frowned upon [17:59] thrice`: thats a super gay pony [18:00] AM I the only one that prefers the old theming systenm? [18:01] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-65.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:01] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:01] NyteOwl: which one is that? [18:02] nope a couple of retarded kids and a stapler prefer the old theme as well [18:02] FF. I'm not sure I like the new "personas" system [18:02] too much boat etc. [18:03] I dunno if I'm goo enough at image editing though :/ [18:03] tltstc` (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:03] *good [18:05] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:06] can you still use gtk themes with FF 3.6 [18:06] ? [18:07] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:07] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:07] i think so ;) [18:08] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:08] arescorpio (~arescorpi@201.252.19.220) joined ##slackware. [18:08] haven't tried it yet myself... [18:09] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.7) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [18:10] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:15] arescorpio (arescorpi@201.252.19.220) left ##slackware. [18:15] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.10.72) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:15] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.10.72) joined ##slackware. [18:16] is anyone here familiar with grokthis.net? [18:21] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.10.72) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:21] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:23] cbpye (~cbpye@c-71-229-54-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:24] ummm, wtf!? [18:24] when the hell did apple buy CUPS? >.> [18:25] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:26] CcSsNET (~user@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:26] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.10.176) joined ##slackware. [18:26] ESP Print Pro was purchased by Apple Inc. in February of 2007. ESP Print Pro software and support are no longer available from Easy Software Products. ESP Print Pro users were given non-expiring, floating licenses which may be accessed from the MyESP pages. <--- holy shit [18:26] Old news. [18:26] very old news, and i never even noticed [18:31] Urugami (~Urugami@226.sub-97-229-190.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:31] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:31] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:33] camden (~camden@ancnat2.apto.aptalaska.net) left irc: Quit: ARHG [18:33] Tadgy (tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) left ##slackware. [18:36] The-Croupier (ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [18:36] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Quit: © [18:39] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:39] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:39] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [18:39] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [18:39] thrice`: thanks for the heads up on persons.. tracked down one I liked :) [18:41] CcSsNET (~user@c-98-216-179-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:41] brainvision (~brainvisi@host225-40-dynamic.33-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [18:42] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [18:46] kitche (kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: K-Lined [18:46] francog (francog@silenceisdefeat.com) left irc: K-Lined [18:47] jp_ (~jp@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [18:47] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [18:47] The-Croupier (~ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [18:50] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:50] I installed gnome and am getting fowllowing error; "System has no Xclients file, so starting a failsafe xterm session..." [18:51] I used online script [18:51] lynx --source http://gnomeslackbuild.org/net-install | bash [18:51] Any way to fix this? [18:51] cbpye (~cbpye@c-71-229-54-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:52] you're trying to install GSB, right? [18:53] yes [18:53] it uses swaret, which is not supported here... [18:53] but you need to run that program as root [18:53] the net-install [18:53] yes [18:55] i did run as root [18:55] jp_: might wanna consult the guys over at #gsb [18:55] agentc0re: Ok, tnx [18:56] eh, it uses slapt-get as far as i know [18:56] Nick change: jp_ -> usr13 [18:59] swaret still exists? [18:59] SupraMayon (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-kpgczzjtggogavzt) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:00] Necos: gsb doesn't use swaret, fwiw. spiraliz, correct. [19:01] har (~AndChat@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:02] colmcille (~colmcille@94.30.27.232) joined ##slackware. [19:03] lordraptor (~lordrapto@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:03] colmcille (~colmcille@94.30.27.232) left irc: Client Quit [19:05] spiraliz (~spiraliz@90.149.153.177) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:05] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-146-20.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:06] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:07] freack (~frk@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [19:12] telperion (~Adium@proxy2.unal.edu.co) joined ##slackware. [19:13] telperion (Adium@proxy2.unal.edu.co) left ##slackware. [19:15] fooy (1000@125.25.135.25.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:16] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [19:16] The-Croupier (~ionshark@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:17] frig firefox-bin stays open after a file-quit [19:18] lordraptor: are you using gtk-qt-engine? [19:20] oh, it uses slapt-get... oops [19:20] i just remembered lol [19:20] GSB [19:20] equally as useless [19:21] Hermann (~Hermannn@m83-178-2-78.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [19:21] how lovely [19:22] i was afk, working on another computer [19:26] Tadgy (~tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) joined ##slackware. [19:26] extor (~extor@c-76-16-36-19.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:27] spiraliz (~spiraliz@72.81-167-30.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [19:29] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [19:29] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:29] is the security update available yet? [19:30] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [19:30] "the" of course being ? [19:31] huh? [19:31] oh [19:31] for firefox [19:32] doesn't look like it [19:32] fooy (1000@125.25.143.49.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) joined ##slackware. [19:32] k, thanks. [19:34] what switches do I need to add to wget if I want to grab this entire directory? http://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware64-current/slackware64/a/ [19:35] extor: You add "wget" to the "man" command :) [19:35] I did and it mentioned -l and -r as well as -m but none of them worked [19:35] use lftp instead [19:35] ClaudioM: yea im using gtk-qt-engine [19:35] see the mirror command [19:37] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:37] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.239) joined ##slackware. [19:37] lordraptor: yeah there's a bug that causes firefox-bin to hang [19:38] because of the process used when closing [19:38] how would I go about packaging firefox 3.6 as a tgz? [19:38] it's described in the bug list for gtk-qt [19:38] i dont like installing world anything thats not in a package [19:39] maybe 3.6 will work? [19:39] lordraptor, are you on 64-bit or 32-bit? also, slackware 13? [19:39] lordraptor: Use the firefox.SlackBuild in Slackware's source - just download the new FF ver and update the info in the SlackBuild. [19:40] thrice`: 13 32bit [19:40] lordraptor, FF was updated for security reasons: http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-13.0/patches/packages/ [19:40] you should have ALL of those updates, of course :) [19:40] I'm using the 3.6 firefox in slack 13 and the bug is still there on that version of gtk-qt [19:40] i dont know how to update slackware :s [19:40] slackpkg [19:40] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [19:41] slapt-get [19:41] no, slackpkg [19:41] No, slapt-get [19:41] Far better than slackpkg [19:41] also not official like slackpkg [19:41] really? Pat thinks otherwise [19:41] where can I find english packages? [19:41] surely you are more intelligent than Pat, though [19:41] or does slackpkg do the builds? [19:41] Right... and everything Pat does is 100% correct, right? [19:41] i've used slapt-get in the past...recent past with 12.x [19:42] acidchild (ash@septic.ziwall.net) joined ##slackware. [19:42] let's just say that it left my system a bit wonky [19:42] perhaps you used it wrong [19:42] Indeed. [19:42] slapt-get may work fine, but it's NOT officially supported, and since slackpkg is already included with slackware, it's the best tool [19:42] good afternoon ^.*$ [19:43] Just because slackpkg is included doesn't make it better :) [19:43] It just means Pat made a choice. [19:43] and don't recommend people use non-official stuff to update their systems [19:43] Why not? [19:43] indeed [19:43] The right tool for the right job. [19:43] because it breaks peoples things then they come in here to blow their steam at us [19:43] Just because your opinion is that slackpkg is better, doesn't make it gospel. [19:44] Tadgy, the RIGHT tool is the OFFICIAL TOOL. you are retarded [19:44] And with all due repect to Pat, just because he doesn't use it doesn't make it gospel either. [19:44] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:44] Round 2, ding ding. [19:44] whats with you and gospel? [19:44] finally, "because the rules say so" http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware-rules/rules.html [19:44] and people more intelligent than you make the rules [19:44] lol... the "rules" [19:45] I have a question about how i should setup paritions on my laptop when i reinstall windows and linux. i have been using ntfs on my laptop's second harddrive for file storage(movies, music, ebooks, etc), but i'd like to switch to ext3 or ext4. i keep hearing about an ext2 driver for windows that would let both operating systems access an ext2 partition. what i am wondering is if that ext2 driver would be able to use an ext3 filesystem. also, i don' [19:45] < thrice`> and people more intelligent than you make the rules [19:45] ^^ lol [19:45] Seriously, you think just because something is included in Slackware that it makes it better than other tools? [19:45] It makes it supported. [19:45] Tadgy: use what you want, but at your own risk [19:45] regarding slackware package management, yes. [19:45] That's the key difference. [19:45] the official package manager is slackpkg [19:46] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:46] Tadgy: package management tools isnt just "something included" [19:46] ClaudioM: Err, the "official" package manager is installpkg/upgradepkg/etc [19:46] no its not. [19:47] Just because another tool is included doesn't make it official. [19:47] thrice`: hows the weather? :) [19:47] the current ntfs-3g shared parition works, but it is quite annoying to have to change the permissions on any files i copy off of that partition(for example, they always seem to be set +x by windows. i've read that windows uses that bit to mean something else) [19:47] Tadgy, of course it makes it official [19:47] acidchild, almost 60's :) [19:47] thrice`: it made it to 75F today. it was amazing. [19:48] first time it's been that warm all year [19:48] wow, I'd love for that [19:48] thrice`: the weather has been really warm here in SC lately. when it snowed a month or so ago, we had 60F weather the very next day. [19:49] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-78-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:49] ebros (~ebros@adsl-99-160-180-57.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] thrice`: Read what ClaudioM said. "the official package manager is slackpkg" [19:49] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.123) joined ##slackware. [19:49] Which it's not. pkgtools is the OFFICIAL package manager. [19:49] slackpkg is provided to support pkgtools. [19:49] anyone with input on the ext2/ext3/ntfs-3g question? [19:49] Just as slapt-get can be used to support pkgtools. [19:50] anyway, i'm getting bored at arguing, so I'm going to say "you're wrong" one last time and walk away to eat [19:50] And i'm wrong just because you say I am? [19:50] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [19:50] Right.... [19:50] your wrong [19:50] Opinions are like assholes.... as the saying goes. [19:50] Yours are just opinions. [19:51] your wrong [19:51] Uh-huh [19:51] Tadgy: "your(sic) wrong" [19:51] heh [19:51] lol [19:51] x2 [19:51] funny that you are the only one who thinks slapt-get is equally supported as slackpkg, however several others, Pat V., and the channel rules suggest otherwise [19:51] I didn't say it was equally as supported. [19:51] Show me that quote. [19:51] in fact, i don't think it is supported at all [19:52] I said it was BETTER than slackpkg. [19:52] hi everyone! anybody knows how to configure dns server to redirect unresolved domain name to a specific ip address? i am using named in slackware 13. [19:52] then you might as well say that swaret should be used [19:52] Tadgy: that is an opinion. [19:52] I'm not so blindsighted as to think everything Pat does it 100% correct. [19:52] You guys are like obsessed children. [19:52] that still doeosn't make it official as per Pat and those involved in Slack's development [19:52] and you're like a retarded cousin [19:52] no one if forcing you to use slackpkg [19:53] by all means use what you want [19:53] Ahh... can't win the argument, so resort to name calling. [19:53] but you're on your own [19:53] thrice`: c'mon dude :) be nice [19:53] How very American of you :) [19:53] Tadgy: hey :/ [19:53] exactly - use as you want, but to a new-comer to wants to update their system, advising with the supported tool would be nice [19:53] thrice`: +1 [19:54] Giving them options is what Linux is about. [19:54] Or have we fogotten that? [19:54] Or is the slack way the only way? [19:54] wait lemme try... Tadgy +1 - yay! [19:54] Tadgy: the slack way is usually the way to use slack [19:54] Like I said, blindsighted. [19:54] In #slackware, the slack way is the supported way. [19:54] zaltekk: the slack way is to avoid NTFS [19:55] :P [19:55] good try though [19:55] chipster: excuse me? [19:55] you fart? [19:55] chipster: does it matter? [19:55] :P [19:55] to the people next to you yeah :) [19:55] chipster: if you have actual input on my question, please share [19:56] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [19:56] Action: Tadgy is really quite amazed are the number of sycophants in here. [19:56] yeah - stay "the slack way" and use ext(2|3|4) or whatever [19:56] Pat is God, and what Pat includes MUST be right! [19:56] if it's his distro, then what's officially supported by him would be what he says is officially supported [19:56] slapt-get is cool [19:56] chipster: do you have any experience with the ext2 driver for windows? [19:57] if you have issue with his choices, go LFS and create your own [19:57] I never claimed slapt-get was official supported. [19:57] chipster: i am wondering if it would be safer to use ntfs-3g than the windows ext2 driver. [19:57] Like I said before, SHOW ME THE QUOTE of where I said that :) [19:57] zaltekk: I actually don't mate :/ not on winders. [19:57] If not, you may as well shut up :) [19:57] < Tady> slapt-get is officially supported [19:57] :) [19:57] Nice try. [19:58] chipster: that is my concern. [19:58] Might work better if you could type. [19:58] < Tady> slapt-get is officially supported [19:58] same one my screen [19:58] Tadgy: maybe so, lol [19:59] so if you're admitting that it's not official, why tell someone new to slackware to use something that isn't officially supported by its creators? [19:59] So, like I said, it's about giving people options. Whether you like it or not, slapt-get is a way to keep your system up to date. [19:59] especially without letting them know that it's at their own risk [19:59] I gave the newbie the option to use another tool. [19:59] And options is what Linux is about. [19:59] i use emerde [19:59] Unless you're claiming Pat is against options now... [20:00] lordraptor (~lordrapto@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:01] Funny how i've seen some of you bang on about using chrome - does Pat ship that? Funny how you'll use a browser that isn't "official"... [20:01] Tadgy: a browser isn't going to determine if your system works properly or not. [20:01] is everything ok? [20:01] Which actually makes you hypocrites. [20:01] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@92.250.104.191) joined ##slackware. [20:01] Tadgy: that is a vast generalization [20:01] slapt-get isn't going to determin if your system works or not. [20:01] Its just a wrapper around install/upgradepkg [20:01] Tadgy: it can make your system not work. [20:02] So can slackpkg [20:02] Which, again, is just a wrapper around pkgtools. [20:02] well, it doesn't matter now because lordrapter left [20:02] Tadgy: the official way of possibly messing up your system is usually more trustworthy than the other random ways of possibly messing up your system [20:02] if you want to put it that way [20:03] so you can go troll another channel [20:03] Heh, so it's trolling to voice a different opinion to you guys? [20:03] I can appreciate the logic of not supporing unofficial software, but to constantly bash alternative tools/software all the time gets kinda old. [20:03] You need to be in #httpd :) [20:04] nobody in this discussion seems to be on the same page [20:04] chipster its not bashing its about giving advice without a disclaimer [20:04] since the original user asking is gone, then yes it's pointless and just trolling [20:04] "equally as useless" (slapt-get) is hardly advice, Immundus [20:05] he said slapt-get was "cool", so I'm sure he'll be back at some point wondering what to do to fix his problems [20:05] that is true but I was trying to sum up the general discussion and not the initial start [20:05] makes sense. I saw Necos' comment up there. [20:08] zaltekk, use ext3 and ext2fsd. works well for me for 4 partitions sized 10-500 GB. [20:10] hovercat (1000@r11lt208.net.upc.cz) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:11] zaltekk, the only culprit is that ext2fsd is currently only stable on xp, although it works on vista/7 with uac disabled. [20:11] I'm curious - how long have you sycophants been using Slackware? [20:12] I'll give you a few mins to look up sycophants for the meaning :) [20:12] Tadgy, win95 ftw. slackware? what is slackware? [20:13] amiga forever [20:13] what this isn't woodshop class? [20:13] I'm just trying to figure out how you guys think you're so l33t... [20:13] That usually comes with 10+ years of using an O/S.. [20:13] I still use an abacus [20:14] I got 'er on the 'tubes with a wet noodle [20:14] I use my two fingers to count in binary. [20:14] chipster modern mumbo jumbo I won't give up my clay tablet [20:14] Immundus: :) [20:15] chipster: They must still be looking for their dictionaries - that, or they are all Slackware babies and don't want to answer :) [20:15] night everyone. 4.5 hours sleep left for me :) [20:15] alphad_ (~alphad@41.207.31.50) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:16] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:16] alphad (~quassel@41.207.31.50) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:16] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: ^D [20:17] if i have a folder /home/foo, and I soft symlink it to /home/bar and I put /home/bar in a samba share, would people be able to download from /home/bar ? [20:18] Reticenti: WIndows users yes. Linux users: no. At least, that is my experience. Linux samba client will try to follow the symlink and fail [20:18] ah [20:19] thanks alienBOB :) [20:19] Reticenti: You need to look at the "follow symlinks" option in smb.conf [20:20] Tadgy: ah, ok. I'll look into that, thanks [20:20] alphad_ (~alphad@41.207.31.50) joined ##slackware. [20:20] wmaikon (~wmaikon@189.72.91.169) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:21] alphad (~quassel@41.207.31.50) joined ##slackware. [20:21] Reticenti: It may also effect things if you're listing /home/bar as the *export* point, or if you're exporting /home - unix permissions may come in effect with the latter. [20:22] mmk [20:22] I dont think that'll be a problem [20:22] I have /home/reticenti/media and I want to split it up into /home/reticent/{movies,music,tv} using symlinks [20:23] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:23] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Client Quit [20:23] kslen^^ (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [20:23] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:23] and then share movies,music,tv on samba [20:23] Reticenti: Just set up 3 shares in that case. [20:23] Each for the seperate area you want to share out. [20:24] cbpye (~cbpye@c-71-229-54-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:24] yeah, tahts what I was going to do [20:24] usr13 (~jp@74.113.242.6) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:24] thanks :) [20:24] Reticenti: I do a similar thing for the media on my Mac :) [20:25] ah :) I'm going to a lan party this saturday, and I want to share all my media with everyone [20:25] Seperate shares for Music, TV, Pr0n, etc :) [20:25] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:25] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [20:26] bigpaws (~bigpaws@clsm-74-212-56-50-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] lol [20:26] newslacker (~kc@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:36] i've formatted a SD card with ext4 my issue is that only root can write to it ? [20:36] how can i fix this [20:36] chown ? [20:37] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [20:37] IaVoR: that is probably because of the permissions it is mounted with [20:37] alphad (~quassel@41.207.31.50) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:37] alphad_ (~alphad@41.207.31.50) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:38] i didnt mount it through konsole with root :) [20:38] bigpaws (~bigpaws@clsm-74-212-56-50-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] just used the devices recently plugged in the tray :) [20:39] IaVoR: that doesn't mean the permissions are what you want. if only root can write to it, they must be incorrect. [20:40] if i type in konsole [20:40] chown iavor:users /media/disk [20:40] Fiend (~z@219-90-149-230.ip.adam.com.au) left irc: Changing host [20:40] Fiend (~z@freecode-project/hacker/osiris2014) joined ##slackware. [20:40] :D ? [20:40] question, I just tried joining #GSB channel and it said, cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services ??? [20:40] anyone ? [20:40] IaVoR: that may work. [20:40] u need to register or identify your nick to proceed :) [20:40] przemoc86 (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [20:40] buzzin: /msg nickserv help [20:40] ill try it :) [20:40] ok, how do i do that [20:41] przemoc86 (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Client Quit [20:41] buzzin: nickserv will tell you how to register your nick and identify(log in) to it [20:41] yep it worked :) [20:44] IDENTIFY [20:44] lol [20:44] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:44] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [20:44] first u need to register /msg nickserv register your-password your-email [20:44] :) [20:45] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:45] :0 yeah [20:45] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [20:45] rworkman: ping [20:46] Nick change: Fiend -> Osiris2014 [20:46] /msg nickserv [20:46] oppz wrong window [20:47] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [20:47] you can msg nickserv here.. just don't do a space. [20:48] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [20:49] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.123) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:51] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.169) joined ##slackware. [20:51] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:57] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [20:57] 1 fast question... [20:57] everytime that some1 sends me a link to a website [20:57] and i click on it [20:58] konqueror opens as default browser ... any ideas how to change it to firefox ? [20:58] its pretty annoing :) [20:59] IaVoR: you can change that in the system settings for KDE [20:59] don't have it in front of me right now, but I believe it's default applications [20:59] I'll double check [21:00] o.O ive been there how come i didnt see the default applications [21:00] the first time ! :D [21:00] thanks ! :) [21:01] once in there, there should be an option fro the default web browser [21:01] yep thanks man i did it ! :D [21:02] I believe on mine (stock 13, KDe 4.2.4) I had to manually type in Firefox [21:02] IaVoR: cool...glad it worked :-) [21:03] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. 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[21:23] err s/copnsostent/consistent [21:23] Action: edman007 slaps the nazi [21:23] Action: dtanner stomps him for you [21:24] Action: jeev slaps mancha, checkbook [21:25] rodrigolanes (~AndChat@201.53.150.58) left irc: Quit: Bye [21:25] rodrigolanes (~AndChat@201.53.150.58) joined ##slackware. [21:27] rodrigolanes (~AndChat@201.53.150.58) left irc: Client Quit [21:27] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-78-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:28] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [21:29] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:30] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:31] sQuEE (~narya@201.252.25.192) joined ##slackware. [21:32] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [21:32] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [21:33] paul424 (1000@156.17.163.223) joined ##slackware. [21:33] dtanner: whoa! long time. [21:34] eviljames. [21:34] jeev. [21:34] die. [21:34] er hi. [21:34] you first. [21:34] er hi. [21:34] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:35] alicephilippa (~alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:36] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:38] Action: nachox takes out the shotgun [21:38] so, whos first guys? [21:38] eviljames. [21:38] jeev. [21:38] i said it first on my side without lag. [21:38] me me pick me! [21:38] jeev [21:38] XGizzmo, take out yoru checkbook [21:38] head or tails? [21:38] you've got some check writing to do to the IRS [21:38] nachox: we all know jeev chooses tails. [21:38] afu (~afu@beavis.cba.ua.edu) joined ##slackware. [21:38] lol [21:39] hehe [21:39] Action: nachox bows to raela [21:40] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [21:41] eviljames: and penises [21:41] Tadgy (tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) left ##slackware. [21:41] Action: raela waves to nachox [21:47] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-200-20.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:48] is there an easy way to delete like first 5 gb of a 7gb log file [21:49] juice: head/tail and redirect other part to new file? [21:49] possible [21:49] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-251-175.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [21:49] Razec (1000@187-27-209-1.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:50] maybe man split? is split a command? [21:50] Chameleon (Chameleon@CPE0016179aa1df-CM00122540797c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [21:51] hello all [21:51] split -b 5368709120 file.log [21:51] good idea, then you discard the first chunk [21:52] problem is hd is full [21:52] 100% use [21:52] is why i need to do remove some [21:53] compress some stuff then [21:53] and i am not phycally there i think i will just dump the entire log [21:53] it's 6.7 gb [21:53] Nick change: trhodes_ -> trhodes [21:54] can you estimate how many lines you wanna remove? say 80 chars per line each char is a byte, right? [21:54] Chameleon (Chameleon@CPE0016179aa1df-CM00122540797c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:55] sed -i -e '1,67108864d' file.log [21:55] i guess i can do it by year [21:55] that should nuke about 5 gigs [21:55] juice, lzip -9 file.log [21:56] burn to DVD and forget. [21:56] first tell me what wc -l file.log gives, just to makesure [21:56] -9. just so you can squeeze extra 50kb :) [21:56] no lzip [21:56] lol [21:56] wc -l file.log, please. [21:56] yeah i an [21:57] am [21:57] it's going to take a while [21:57] juice, get lzip, compile, install, .. [21:57] johnbristol (~johnbrist@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust21.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [21:57] i don't have room [21:57] and it;s physically else where [21:57] lzip is <100KB [21:57] wel lwhen he drive is 100% [21:57] 100kb won't fit [21:57] :) [21:57] why bother with lzip if it's a log file? chances are with gzip you can already can do 20:1 ratio [21:57] i was wondering about bzip [21:58] eldragon, tell him again how small it is! [21:58] err, you need secondary space for file.log.lz [21:58] but then again they don't need this crap [21:58] it's router access log from 4 years til now [21:58] juice, bzip2 compresses lesser than lzip [21:58] i only made this app log incase they had some cyber crime [21:58] and they haven't [21:58] eldragon: i don't think he's concerned about compression ratio [21:58] i concerend about getting 6gb free [21:59] :) [21:59] juice: can you move it to another host? [21:59] i might just rm- f the log [21:59] a personal host but i don't need there crap [21:59] their [21:59] they don't even know what this box does really [21:59] so i can delete the log it won't hurt [21:59] or truncate it with '> logfile' [22:00] :> [22:00] you can pipe it too, cat file.log | lzip -9 -o /mnt/nfs/file.log.lz [22:00] eldragon: i've never seen somebody so obsessed with lzip :) [22:00] tell him how small lzip is! [22:00] wc -l is still runing [22:00] i am aboutt o cancel it [22:00] this file is a monster [22:00] for lines [22:01] http://mirrors.fe.up.pt/pub/nongnu/lzip/lzip-1.9.tar.gz [22:02] it's 75KB compressed :) [22:02] http://www.nongnu.org/lzip/lzip.html [22:02] you'll need c++ compiler for it. [22:03] Nick change: davi -> cybErpunk [22:03] Nick change: cybErpunk -> davi` [22:03] Nick change: davi` -> cybErpunk [22:04] juice, and for checking the integrity: sha1sum -b file.log ; lzip -cd /mnt/nfs/file.log.lz | sha1sum -b - both should be 100% match. [22:05] paul424 (1000@156.17.163.223) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:05] ph|ber (~phiber@mail.synergies4u.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:05] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:05] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:05] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:05] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:05] AnTourter (~gggjlt@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:05] AnTourter (~gggjlt@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:05] juice: how much memory does the box have, and is this a normal plain text log file? [22:05] Are there any installation kernels for 13 that have a ton of NIC drivers in them? I can't even find one that will work in vbox [22:05] one possibility is to create tmpfs, of say 500-1000MB, and compress that file directly onto that tmpfs. then truncate the original, move your compressed copy over, and remove tmpfs [22:05] but of course, unless you use lzip -9, there is no point in doing it. why do something, when you can overdo it with -9? :) [22:05] Gulug (old-times@master.gulug.com.br) got netsplit. [22:05] boojit (~boojit@gw.carter.to) got netsplit. [22:05] Hermann (~Hermannn@m83-178-2-78.cust.tele2.se) got netsplit. [22:05] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) got netsplit. [22:05] spaceplo_ (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-wbyfexnvmnoizhqi) got netsplit. [22:05] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.10.176) got netsplit. [22:05] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) got netsplit. [22:05] john_dee (~id@93-81-138-246.broadband.corbina.ru) got netsplit. [22:05] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) got netsplit. [22:05] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) got netsplit. [22:05] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-56-126.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) got netsplit. [22:05] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) got netsplit. [22:05] agris_ (~agris@mail.biko.lv) got netsplit. [22:05] dieter- (~dieter@84-23-67-251.blue.kundencontroller.de) got netsplit. [22:05] jumperboy (~jumperboy@gl206.websiteproject.net) got netsplit. [22:05] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) got netsplit. [22:05] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [22:05] well if you're contemplating a full rm -f then might as well give my command a go w/o the benefit of the math check [22:05] the 80 chars per line is probably a bad estimate, but it'll over estimate so you'll under-prune [22:05] which means it'll lop off less than 5 gigs, if the formula i got from the flux capactor is accurate. [22:05] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:05] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:06] haha [22:06] ph|ber (~phiber@mail.synergies4u.com) joined ##slackware. [22:06] paul424 (1000@156.17.163.223) joined ##slackware. [22:06] if the resulting file.log.lz is incredibly small, it's true. [22:06] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.108) joined ##slackware. [22:06] xz has supersedes lzma utils [22:06] eldragon: what's with your lzip obsession? [22:07] Gulug (old-times@master.gulug.com.br) returned to ##slackware. [22:07] boojit (~boojit@gw.carter.to) returned to ##slackware. [22:07] Hermann (~Hermannn@m83-178-2-78.cust.tele2.se) returned to ##slackware. [22:07] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) returned to ##slackware. [22:07] spaceplo_ (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-wbyfexnvmnoizhqi) returned to ##slackware. [22:07] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.10.176) returned to ##slackware. [22:07] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) returned to ##slackware. 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[22:09] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-168-104.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:09] heya,folks [22:09] lzip requires aprox. 400 MB [22:09] heya MLanden -- how goes it ? [22:10] my xz apparently uses 620K [22:10] only for compressing, and around 64 MB for decompressing i though. [22:10] well i tm-f the file [22:10] but it still shows 100% usage [22:10] rm -f [22:10] goin' good trhodes...you? [22:10] doin' fine and keeping busy :) [22:10] juice, nice mortal delete. [22:11] btw, what xz did pat use for all the slackware 13 packages? [22:11] juice: because you didn't restart the application that has it open [22:11] Damn does 13 no longer have a list of precompiled kernels? :( [22:11] juice: that's why i told you to truncate it with '> logfile' instead [22:11] mancha: xz-4.999.9beta-i486-1 [22:11] mancha: wait, that might be current [22:11] you're sure? cause that came out on 8/27/2009 [22:12] talk about overuse of numbers :) [22:12] when was 13 released? [22:12] nov-ish I think [22:13] nope 8-27 [22:13] ok, release notes show slack 13 came out 8/25/2009 [22:13] there we go [22:13] and xz-4.999.9beta came out 8/27/2009 [22:13] kill -HUP the process [22:14] got me my space [22:14] aug 2009 is when it was released [22:14] there's clzip = lzip in C instead of C++, it's interesting for upward compatible ELF binary format. [22:14] /dev/hda3 12G 5.3G 6.1G 47% / [22:14] But if you look in the K directory there is just a source tarball there [22:14] 8/25? I thought I had already moved then [22:14] but I installed 13 before then [22:14] pretty sure I moved 8/15 and had already installed 13 [22:15] http://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware64-current/kernels/ [22:15] the reason i am doing this seemingly nonsense calculation is xz-4.999.9beta was released to fix a data corruption bug in the compression code of xz-4.999.8beta [22:15] extor: Whats your point? [22:15] was it out unofficially a couple days early or somethin' ? [22:15] XGizzmo, my point is that I am trying to install 13 via PXE and the kernel doesnt recognize my NIC [22:16] i wonder if there's any gremlins in the compressed files... [22:16] And I'm not happy about it [22:16] mancha: slackware64-13.0/slackware64/a/xz-4.999.8beta-x86_64-1.tgz [22:16] oh hey, apparently I may have done upgrades in december.. nevermind, I'm crazy [22:17] trhodes, ok so it was the 4.999.8 beta [22:17] interesting... [22:17] mancha, did ya feed 'em after midnight?...:D [22:17] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:17] extor: So you can boot into the installer via pxe but you can get your nic running? [22:17] no water [22:17] :> [22:17] XGizzmo, exactly [22:18] what kind of nic? [22:18] lol...:D [22:18] XGizzmo, tigon3 NIC which is Broadcom I think [22:18] And in vbox it doesnt seem to work either which is sad [22:18] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:20] Just two kernels...wow. 10 years ago there used to be a dozen kernels in k [22:20] extor: Did you try just modprobing the driver? [22:20] no [22:20] Not sure what the driver is actually [22:20] extor: you don't need all those kernels anymore. [22:21] try tg3 [22:21] Well evidently I do need a kernel with a basic broadcom driver which every other distro seems to have [22:21] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:21] error inserting tg3, invalid format [22:22] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:22] Razec (1000@187-27-209-1.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:22] I take it you are running -current. [22:23] yes [22:23] hold on I see a light at the end of the tunnel [22:23] extor, it's nothig. [22:24] Good luck getting that to work. [22:24] lspci gives me this: http://i39.tinypic.com/vq2t7m.jpg [22:25] dmesg | grep eth gives me nothing though and neither does ifconfig -a give me anything other than lo [22:25] Alan_Hic1s (~alan@38.104.216.66) joined ##slackware. [22:25] trhodes_ (~tom@38.104.216.66) joined ##slackware. [22:25] vbatts__ (~vbatts@38.104.216.66) joined ##slackware. [22:25] Alan_Hicks (~alan@216.23.247.74) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:25] thrice`_ (~thrice@38.104.216.66) joined ##slackware. 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[22:37] Hi guys, i configured intel kms and fb, but i have a problem when i boot [22:37] Budd^ (~budd@76.252.164.74) joined ##slackware. [22:37] Hmm looks like 13 was the first distro to have both a 64 bit and a 32 bit distro [22:38] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-80.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:38] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-151.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:38] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [22:38] acidtripper, which kernel? [22:38] it take like 5 seconds to start framebuffer, i mean console have huge letters for 5 secs and then framebuffer load and all goes okey [22:38] MLanden: 2.6.33 [22:38] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [22:39] is there any way to make framebuffer load before [22:39] acidtripper, does inteldrmfb take over during the boot? [22:39] i think yes, now is loaded [22:40] fb0: inteldrmfb frame buffer device [22:40] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] acidchild, which intel chip on the mobo? [22:40] acidtripper: :P 965 [22:40] the problem is that loads with kinda lag [22:41] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) joined ##slackware. [22:41] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) left irc: Excess Flood [22:42] acidtripper, whcih intel driver are you using? [22:42] dermoth (~thomas@205.151.111.9) joined ##slackware. [22:42] which* [22:42] AlexElliott_ (~alex@client-86-31-131-5.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [22:42] 2.10 [22:42] AlexElliott (~alex@client-86-31-187-98.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:42] that's why i had to change to kms couse it doesn't work without it [22:43] acidtripper: you could try compiling the intelfb driver in the kernel vs.a module. [22:43] as module? [22:43] and then howto load it? [22:43] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:43] initrd? [22:44] acidtripper, ok...which xserver?...I tried using the 1.7 only for it to tear and I went back to 1.6.3(older 865g) [22:44] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:44] no I think it is a module now, you want to compile it in the kernel. [22:44] yeah, that's the idea [22:44] meant to say..xorg-server [22:45] Thats just a guess I have not looked into it any. [22:45] acidtripper: there may also be kernel boot options. [22:46] MLanden: 1.7.5 [22:46] Nick change: trhodes_ -> trhodes [22:48] i dont remember where is inteldrmfb [22:49] acidtripper, it's integrated into the kernel [22:49] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:50] yes it's integrated when select kms [22:50] that's why i don't understand the lag in loading it [22:52] acidtripper, seems with the change..there's some bugs with the 1.7...might have something to do with dri2 calls to KMS [22:52] any possible solution that comes to your head? [22:53] or must i report it? [22:54] acidtripper, could try the newer xorg-server 1.7.99 or downgrade back to 1.6.3 [22:54] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [22:54] yes but if i downgrade i have to downgrade several things including intel 2.10 [22:54] driver [22:55] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [22:58] acidtripper, 2.10 can be used with 1.6.3 [22:58] intel web page says it must use 1.7 and newer i tried compiling some time ago and asked for newer versions [23:02] couse that i waited till pat upgrade [23:04] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] If you want inteldrmfb runnig from the very start of boot you have to compile the driver in the kernel. [23:05] It is a module now, and it does not get loaded untill / is mounted. [23:06] but i cant find inteldrm on kernel [23:08] i tried searching and looking around [23:09] john_dee (~id@93-81-138-246.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:09] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-79.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:10] Intel 830M/845G/852GM/855GM/865G/915G/945G/945GM/965G/965GM support (EXPERIMENTAL) I think is it. [23:11] Drivers -> graphics support -> Support for framebuffer devices [23:12] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-80.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:12] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [23:12] XGizzmo: as i know i dont have to activate any fb becouse it conflict with intel one [23:13] XGizzmo: and intel 965 is set as built in [23:14] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:15] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:17] [OpenSys] (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. 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