[00:00] I thought it was going to suck when I first got it, but it's OK. [00:00] eviljames: I'm searching through KDE4 bug lists but can't find anything relating to your specific issue. [00:01] Nino (n=Nino@200.139.70.58.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:03] ahwell, i can add widgets another way [00:05] I have the older GMA950 in my laptop and as long as you don't expect it to run Crysis it's perfectly fine [00:05] i don't game [00:05] so i don't care [00:06] if it does compositing smoothly and I can get rid of the cube that's all I care about :P [00:06] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "leaving" [00:07] umislack (i=1000@58.64.90.192) left irc: "leaving" [00:08] I've actually been surprised with what I've been able to get running on mine [00:11] :D [00:11] Hi nix_chix0r, how's your night going? [00:11] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.72.175) joined ##slackware. [00:12] hehe good [00:12] ;) [00:13] you? [00:13] doing excellent, thank you. :) [00:14] BP{k}: Fechez la vache! [00:16] rob0: Est la vache qui rit? [00:16] MoooooOOOOOOooooo [00:16] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:17] got some poontang [00:17] wtf... heh. nice broken French there. [00:17] rob0: oh duh :) of course :D [00:18] RUN AWAY!!! [00:18] rob0: explain 'Fechez' [00:18] rob0: now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time. [00:18] it's actually " Fetchez la vache" [00:18] ah, fetch [00:18] Eengleesh peeg-dogs! [00:19] Yeah. Use En-US please [00:19] :) [00:19] Hmmm, I do think the subtitles said "fechez", but I've been wrong before. [00:20] rob0: let's not go to camelot.... [00:20] One time I thought I was mistaken, but in fact, I was wrong. [00:20] it's a silly place. [00:20] It's a silly place. [00:20] rob0: it should be "Cherchez" then [00:22] or buscar el vaca [00:22] Action: thumbs stops now [00:22] En-UK please [00:22] We're knights of the round table, our show are for-mi-dable. We do routines and chorus scenes, with footwork im-pe-ccable. [00:22] Hi, I speak portuguese, but understand moreless Enghish. Anyone can help me? [00:22] 1...2....5 "no 3 sir!"... 3! [00:23] Nino: what is your question? [00:23] And thy foe, being naught in My sight, shall snuff it. [00:23] video capture? [00:23] video capture [00:23] Nino: that's not a question [00:23] without audio [00:24] rob0: around 2.:10 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FJVAcvVcPQ - seems to me they say fetchez [00:24] hehe [00:25] umislack (i=1000@58.64.90.192) joined ##slackware. [00:26] hahaha [00:26] they do say that. [00:26] My video capture have a chip saa7134 to video and to audio tda8290 [00:26] BP{k}: I shall rent that movie. [00:27] thumbs: what movie? [00:27] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:28] Dominian: I assumed that was an extract from a movie [00:28] thumbs: yes, Monthy Python and the Holy Grail. [00:28] BP{k}: thank you, [00:28] Yearly Python [00:29] but I think that o modprobe loads the drive wrong [00:29] aye [00:29] thumbs also hire: `The Meaning of Life` and "life of brian" [00:29] those are good too [00:30] History of the World is a good one.. not Monty Python.. but still good [00:30] BP{k}: I shall 'hire' them too [00:30] Action: BP{k} needs to get Fawlty Towers and watch that again. [00:30] indeed [00:30] Action: Dominian adds history of the world part I to his netflix queue [00:30] Can I paste the return do lspci here? [00:31] Nino: no. use a pastebin. [00:31] Nino: ^^^^^ [00:31] ls [00:31] doh [00:31] You can paste Monty Python movie dialogue here, however. [00:31] 'Tis but a flesh wound [00:31] but don't mention the war! [00:32] oh.. thumbs another good one is the Evil dead series by Sam raimi [00:32] crusifiction or freedom? [00:32] Evil Dead, Evil Dead II, and Army of Darkness [00:32] freedom, they said I could go. [00:32] Dominian: noted [00:32] thumbs: supposed to be "horror" flicks.. but turned out to be Cult-classic comedy hehe [00:33] what is pastebin? equals private? [00:33] Nino: pastebin.com [00:33] pastebin.slackadelic.com [00:33] ok [00:34] Hrm.. I might just write my own pastebin software [00:36] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:37] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [00:38] this is URL http://pastebin.com/m44d1ae8 [00:39] Ok.. so what is the problem? [00:39] without audio [00:40] Nino: what version of slackware are you using? [00:40] I think that the drive audio this wrong [00:40] 12.2 [00:40] native kernel 12.2 [00:42] I am going to paste return of the dmesg [00:42] wait a moment [00:43] Dominian: how extensive was pastebin to install / conf? [00:43] i was considering running one on pwned [00:44] tecky: its easy [00:44] just some frontend files and the DB [00:44] kevin01123 (n=quassel@24-216-178-120.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:44] but I disabled a bunch of the code... that pastebin site gets spammed.. a lot [00:44] so having the "most recent pastes" wasn't viable [00:44] this is URL http://pastebin.com/m9979c12 [00:46] Nino do you have no sound at all ? [00:47] just in the video capture [00:47] I use tvtime to watch tv [00:48] Dominian: ya i noticed that on trying to find the source ... half the pastes are porn spam [00:48] the driver of audio motherboard this ok [00:49] Nino have you tried the stuff from this :- http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/help.html#noaudio [00:49] tecky: yeah [00:50] yes [00:50] I tried all [00:52] There is anything wrong in the return? [00:52] Or this ok? [00:52] Nino: Which method did you try and use to get sound out ... You might need to check the volume controls to make sure nothing is muted or low [00:53] freack (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [00:53] do you speak alsaconfig and alsamixer? [00:54] Nino: yes, if you pass the sound back into the onboard sound you will need to have the onboards sound "audio in" enabled otherwise you wont hear it [00:54] alsaconf, alsamixer, then alsactl store [00:55] uva (i=bno@118-160-162-70.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:55] I used, yes [00:55] k [00:56] Nino: Is this a laptop by chance? [00:57] not [00:59] Quem I used kurumin the problem are same [01:00] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:00] just in the windows works [01:01] but thank you [01:01] Blaguvest (n=chatzill@c-28a072d5.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [01:02] I don't quit [01:04] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:06] paissad_ (n=paissad@12.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:07] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:12] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:15] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429496.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:16] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429496.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:16] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:20] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [01:22] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [01:22] when i remove a package does it /etc configuratios is also removed? [01:24] sometimes. [01:25] Files that are listed in /var/log/packages/ are removed. Those that are not listed, are not. That covers most of it, but there are also /var/log/scripts/ that are considered. And any file that's in more than one package is not removed. [01:25] see slackbook, /topic [01:28] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [01:30] <[z]imba> Im, not sure whats causing this problem,well i installed tightvnc fewdays ago.Now xfce is really taking time to load ,i mean after vncs install! [01:30] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Excess Flood [01:30] <[z]imba> more than 15secs [01:30] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [01:30] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-91-171.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:30] kevin01123 (n=quassel@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:31] <[z]imba> any idea? [01:32] does slackware has a bug report system? how can people contribute with packages? [01:33] pablo: No, no bug system, bugs can be mailed after verifying it's actually a bug. You can contribute and Maintain Buildscripts through SlackBuilds.org [01:33] 1. The "bug report system" is "send Pat an email". Alternatively, and safer, ask here, if it's a real bug it will eventually get back to Pat. 2. http://slackbuilds.org [01:33] <[z]imba> pablo< u can contribute packages there ,http://linuxpackages.net/ [01:33] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.25.167) joined ##slackware. [01:34] /begin LP discussion :) [01:34] [z]imba: please, do think twice before recommending linuxpackages. That site really should not be mentioned. [01:34] Well, most of us would recommend against using http://linuxpackages.net/ because of ... haha [01:34] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.25.167) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:34] <[z]imba> BP{k}< ho i didn't kenw that!! oops . [01:34] A bad reputation and poor (if ANY) quality control. [01:34] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:35] Fetchez la vache! [01:35] <[z]imba> BP{k}< do you have any idea abt that xfce problem [01:36] [z]imba: have you tried removing tightvnc and see if the problem persists? [01:36] BP{k}: ok thanks [01:36] signal11_ (i=esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [01:36] <[z]imba> yes i did !! shall i pastebin my xinitrc [01:37] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:37] Action: BP{k} taunts rob0 for a second time! [01:37] [z]imba: sure. I got about 3 minutes left. ;) [01:38] [ in bed ] [01:38] au contraire! [01:38] <[z]imba> BP{k}< http://pastebin.com/mda6f79f [01:38] :) [01:40] [z]imba: doesn't seem out of the ordinary. Sorry no idea what might be causing it. [01:40] and on that note, I am out. G'night gentlemen. [01:40] <[z]imba> np,thanks !!:) [01:41] BP{k}: RUN AWAY!! [01:42] <[z]imba> rob0< any idea abt xfce problem [01:43] signal11 (i=esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:43] gn BP{k} [01:46] [z]imba, does it happen if you create a temporary new home for your user account? [01:47] <[z]imba> Oldway_Ogiefay: no it doesnt happen [01:47] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.233.162) left irc: [01:47] <[z]imba> Oldway_Ogiefay: for root and other accounts its smooth loading [01:47] [z]imba, so it's something in your own home then. [01:47] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.6.181) joined ##slackware. [01:47] ah ok. [01:47] well happy hunting in the '.' files :( [01:48] <[z]imba> is it bcoz of comopister [01:48] xfce puts stuff in .config .local and the ~/.* files [01:48] <[z]imba> yea im diggin them nwo [01:48] [z]imba, well if you turn composite on in the other user accounts, does it happen to them? [01:49] <[z]imba> no it doesn't [01:49] there's your answer, it's something in your home then. [01:49] might be a session file [01:49] for thunar in .config or .local I forget whcih [01:49] <[z]imba> local aswell [01:50] try reading the contents of .xsession-errrors [01:51] <[z]imba> .xsession file has a gpm (gen.. mouse) startup . [01:51] <[z]imba> but i dont think thats problem [01:52] no ".xsession-errors" is a file in your ~ [01:52] <[z]imba> there is not such file in my home [01:52] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:53] signal11 (i=esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [01:53] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-91-171.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:53] well somethings wrong then, as that is supposed to be created when you log in to an X session using kdm for example. [01:53] <[z]imba> i dont have kdm [01:53] <[z]imba> its just plain startx envir..ment [01:53] Action: [z]imba dont like kde [01:54] how do you start xfce [01:54] <[z]imba> startx [01:54] <[z]imba> xinitrc.xfce4 from /etc/x11/xinit [01:54] <[z]imba> that script is used [01:56] <[z]imba> i have made some changes , gona restart X .brb [01:56] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: "Leaving" [01:56] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:56] Oldway_Ogiefay: run!!! [01:57] chopp, :) [01:58] signal11_ (i=esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:58] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [01:58] [z]imba, do you have a ~/.bashrc or ~/.profile or a .Xdefaults file at all? [01:59] Nino (n=Nino@200.139.70.58.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [01:59] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.25.167) joined ##slackware. [02:00] <[z]imba> Oldway_Ogiefay: no i dont have them [02:00] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.110.173) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:01] <[z]imba> btw im using version 4.6.1 (Xfce 4.6 [02:01] [z]imba, but the other users that you tried xfce with, those user accounts were in XFCE via 'startx' as well and had no issue. [02:01] <[z]imba> Oldway_Ogiefay: exactly but they dont hav startups a i do , [02:01] what is 'startups' [02:01] <[z]imba> i m starting gkrellem [02:02] <[z]imba> autostarted applications [02:02] ok, but those are started with xfce right? [02:02] <[z]imba> yes [02:02] tried yanking them outta startup and see what happens? [02:03] <[z]imba> yes im gona try that too .. brb [02:03] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: Client Quit [02:03] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.25.167) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:05] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:08] uva (i=bno@118-160-170-48.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:11] only a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day... but even a non-hacked slack does twice as much right. [02:11] you can tune a piano, but you can't tune a fish [02:12] lol [02:12] haha [02:12] slKIvs (n=ivan@15.53.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [02:12] you can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be led [02:12] haha [02:12] and last but not least [02:12] you can pick your friends... [02:12] you can pick your nose [02:13] on second thought I do not quite get the first one [02:13] but you can't pick your friend's nose [02:13] ...but you can't wipe your friends under the couch [02:13] Everyone give a warm round of applause for the comedic stylings of Oldway_Ogiefay [02:13] from the "Fountain of Unusable Information - It's Oldway_Ogiefay" :) [02:13] be sure to tip your waitress, he'll be here all week. [02:13] those are good... I had not heard the 2nd one... *clap clap* [02:14] I think you are Old Fogie [02:14] He is. :P [02:14] what gave it away :) [02:15] pig Latin [02:15] I'd be irefay-irdbay. right? [02:15] use the pig command [02:15] I think it is different after vowles [02:16] Oldway_Ogiefay: wha, there's a pig command? [02:16] the 'stopped clock' reference is from a song... I was comparing Slackware to a good electronic song, not a stopped clock. [02:16] firebird619, yup 'man pig' :) [02:16] pig (6) - eformatray inputway asway Igpay Atinlay [02:16] Oldway_Ogiefay: hahaha, I didn't know that. [02:16] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [02:16] Hey Rat409 [02:17] firebird619, yea you can exec pig with the command 'rain' :) (just kidding... but 'man rain' while you're at it ) [02:17] hey, thunderstorm passing thru [02:17] Oldway_Ogiefay: Oh I've seen rain in action, I think I'll leave that one alone. :P [02:17] candy ass :) [02:17] hahaha [02:17] pig,rain ? [02:18] Rat409: type rain in a terminal [02:18] hmm [02:19] oh,on my arch box atm,no rain here just outside atm [02:19] i'll try it tho [02:20] ay (i=1000@c-76-104-90-48.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:20] Oldway_Ogiefay: it'd be pig firebird right? It's just sitting there seemingly doing nothing. [02:20] arch linux... man drop that chicken dinner and get with a winner already. [02:20] haha [02:20] Oldway_Ogiefay: you're on a role tonight. :) [02:21] firebird619, you type pig...then it sits there and wait's for you to type something, ..so type some random word in, and it'll automagically give ya the pig latin version. [02:21] firebird619, "yeah man jump back kiss myself...huh" (in James Brown voice) [02:21] Oldway_Ogiefay: i am i have arch and slackware :) [02:21] Nick change: firebird619 -> irebirdfay [02:21] :) [02:22] hahaway [02:22] wow cloudburst here so much for 30% chance percipitation [02:22] Hmm, it's not showing my new nick. [02:22] it is to me [02:22] tho you have no numbers [02:22] orly? It isn't here. [02:22] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:22] * firebird619 is now known as irebirdfay [02:23] that's what I saw [02:23] and when I type something it shows that nick too? [02:23] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [02:23] irebirdfay, yup [02:23] Hmm, that's odd [02:23] <[z]imba> Oldway_Ogiefay: no way .. its not changing [02:23] <[z]imba> at all [02:23] [z]imba, what's not changing [02:23] Nick change: irebirdfay -> irefay-irdbay619 [02:24] :) [02:24] :( [02:24] <[z]imba> i mean ,i removed the start up , [02:24] <[z]imba> there no change [02:24] <[z]imba> *Is [02:24] did things still start up? [02:25] <[z]imba> no .. xfce is again startungup wht more thatn 15sec delya [02:25] [z]imba, "touch ~/.xsession-errors" then logout, exit the command prompt, relogin to the box, startx again. [02:25] then review the file. [02:26] <[z]imba> i ended up messing my configration , ok i will do that [02:27] Action: dchmelik is going to take a break to watch a DOS demo [02:27] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: Client Quit [02:29] cmk_zzz (n=cmk@125-237-112-135.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [02:29] Oldway_Ogiefay: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/BSD_games << man lagging seriously tonight,must be the weather [02:30] I'm off to bed, g'night [02:30] Rat409: that be it. [02:30] my guess it would be the internet connection :) [02:30] gn rob0 [02:30] good night rob0 [02:30] rob0 (i=rob0@sorry.nodns4.us) left ##slackware ("g'night"). [02:30] or my isp,they do a lot of resets sometimes. yuh dsl >dialup but a pita at times [02:31] Rat409, it's in the bsdgames package from slackware [02:31] indeed [02:31] ivan8013 (n=ivan@15.53.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [02:31] you ever try xcowsay pretty funny [02:32] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.25.167) left irc: "Leaving" [02:32] no don't think I have. [02:32] lemme find the link 1 sec [02:33] http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Environment/Tools/xcowsay-38481.shtml [02:34] hahaha, nice Rat409 [02:34] BP{k}: Just finished bottling... Couple of days and carbonation should be built up enough to try just one. [02:34] if you have grandkids they'd probly geta kick out of it [02:34] I'm not that old. [02:34] agentc0re: How'd skydiving go? [02:34] meant Oldway_Ogiefay [02:34] lol [02:34] oops, sorry. :P [02:35] ivan8013 (n=ivan@15.53.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Client Quit [02:35] ah neat, thanks Rat409 [02:35] thebigh (n=herbert@adsl-99-39-21-139.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:35] irefay-irdbay619: Great! going back tomorrow to take my FFA class to jump by myself. :D [02:35] ay (i=1000@c-76-104-90-48.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:36] irefay-irdbay619==firebird619 ? [02:36] agentc0re: Awesome. How long does the class take? [02:36] FFA to jump, what? that sounds like asm [02:36] haha, yeah [02:36] irefay-irdbay619: Class will take about 4-5 hours. [02:36] that isn't bad. [02:36] it'll be worth it. :) [02:40] dchmelik: asm? [02:40] irefay-irdbay619: I'm stoked! :D [02:40] assembly... what do you mean, you are asking? [02:41] maybe I just thought it was the wrong opcode [02:42] He's going to take a class so he can skydive out of a plan by himself. [02:42] s/plan/plane/ [02:42] agentc0re: you mean FAA? [02:42] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.6.181) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:42] oh, freefall airplane or something class [02:43] I thought someone was making a weird asm joke [02:43] lol, nope. [02:43] irefay-irdbay619: actually i mean AFF. LOL. I have been saying FFA all day. [02:43] lol [02:43] haha [02:43] hey that reminds me, anyone seen 'nullboy' ? [02:43] Oldway_Ogiefay: Nope. [02:43] sorry about that agentc0re [02:43] I asked because the only FFA I know of stands for Future Farmers of America. :P [02:43] agentc0re, so since that day he never came back? [02:43] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:44] Skaperen (n=phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:44] what program uncompresses these new .txz files? [02:44] xz, right guys. [02:44] or you need xz anyway. [02:45] otherwise there's an updated tar isn't there that supports it? [02:45] Oldway_Ogiefay: I think he has, a few others have seen a glimpse of him but i haven't since then. [02:46] is there a slack package for older slackware that has xz ? [02:47] irefay-irdbay619: http://skydiveutah.com/price_list.htm it's expensive but i think in the end it'll be worth it. Esp. the $23.00 cost per jump there after graduating. [02:47] Skaperen, I know of no gui app that will open them. But for my Slack 12.1 I added the 'xz' package (from --current but I built it on my 12.1) then I built the same tar in --current but again for my 12.1. So far, I haven't seen it mess up my pkgtool, or any other gui app, and I rebuilt all my packages with the new tar/xz combo..but I'm still keeping .tgz. From the changelog, apparently you can use 'mc' now, but I didn [02:47] 't backport that yet [02:47] irefay-irdbay619: much is expected of us. ;) [02:47] agentc0re, ah ok. [02:47] I believe tar uncompressed them but tar needs to be built with xz support which is only in current currently. [02:48] agentc0re: cool, I'll check the link in a bit. [02:48] agentc0re, stock tar on slackware don't know how to open them [02:48] cuz of the xz thing..it just sees the file as "data' using the file command on them. [02:49] Oldway_Ogiefay: I know, i was saying it's only in built for it in current (--current) [02:49] slKIvs (n=ivan@15.53.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:49] oh ok I misread ya on that [02:49] chopp: :). The shuttle didn't land yet, bad weather, so you didn't miss it this morning. :P [02:49] Or at least that's how i understood it. [02:50] Oldway_Ogiefay: don't need a gui app ... just need a way to run a command line extract ... something so I can seed a root filesystem big enough to have the package tools themselves inside to be able to install the rest of slackware-current in a file tree [02:50] irefay-irdbay619: no, and I've been lacking in sleep in a big way due to that damn shuttle. :P [02:50] fgdfas (n=dfgdf@91-114-230-22.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [02:51] chopp: haha, is it looking any better for tomorrow? [02:51] how many others here are in the Slackware group on LinuxQuestions? [02:51] Skaperen, for me here, since I added xz, and upgraded to tar from --current, all I have to do now on a txz file is "tar -xf foo.txz" [02:51] Skaperen, i'm on slack 12.1 [02:51] irefay-irdbay619: I'm guessing they'll be landing in calafornia today. [02:51] Skaperen, is taht what you mean [02:52] Oldway_Ogiefay: once a certain few packages are installed in a chroot tree, then the rest can be installed via installpkg which I presume in the -current form will know what to do [02:52] chopp: ah, ok. So in other words, nasa will have a nice bill for bringing it back to florida piggybacked on a plane. :P [02:53] Oldway_Ogiefay: I'm still on 12.0 ... will the xz package in -current work? and do I need a new tar? [02:53] yes [02:53] tar-1.22 [02:53] and xz util [02:53] irefay-irdbay619: yeah no doubt about that. [02:53] and the new pkgtools [02:53] Skaperen, I dont know about 12, I've only done it for slack 12.1 [02:54] Shrp_: will all those new things work on 12.0 to install 12.0 packages, TOO? I don't want to end up being able to only install one or the other [02:54] you dont need that for 12.0 [02:55] only if you are going to run -current [02:55] Shrp_: and I'm only going to install 16 packages into a file tree ... that will be enough to chroot in to do the rest [02:55] 12.2 -current packages are .txz [02:55] 12.0 is still tgz [02:55] Skaperen, like I said, I only added 'xz' and upgraded 'tar' and I _still_ use the .tgz extension and I'm fine. [02:56] Shrp_: I didn't install 12.2 so I didn't see the change in 12.2 ... I wanted to install slackware64-current and found the change for that [02:56] i havent looked at slack64.. but i am sure it will use txz [02:56] Shrp_: according to alienbob, it does [02:56] Shrp_: the point is, if I install the upgrades to packagetools and tar, will that still work to do regular old 12.0 packages on a regular old 12.0 system? [02:57] yeh [02:57] pkgtools is still backwards compatible with tgz [02:57] chopp: you run the calendar adesklet? [02:57] Shrp_: yes slackware64-current is where I noticed the .txz ... I was going to manually extract a package to explore it [02:57] irefay-irdbay619: yes I do [02:58] Shrp_: OK, as long as it is backwards compatible [02:58] slackid (n=willysr@125.163.251.150) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:58] Skaperen: if you want to run 12.0.. i would suggest atleast grabbing 12.2 release [02:58] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [02:58] agentc0re|work1 (n=jon@heartslc.com) joined ##slackware. [02:58] chopp: adesklets.error_handler.ADESKLETSError: adesklets command error - font 'VeraBd/12' could not be loaded [02:58] I'm missing a font eh? [02:58] Shrp_: I'm going to boot onto a 64 bit kernel, and build me a 64 bit chroot tree from slackware64-current [02:59] cool [02:59] irefay-irdbay619: I'll look at my config for it [02:59] :) [02:59] slacks21 (n=ckuttruf@ip68-101-220-87.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:59] Skaperen: is that how you are going to hack it into 64-bit? [02:59] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:00] dchmelik: if I can, yeah ... I haven't installed slack from a CD since around 7.1 ... every new version since then has been script built inside chroot ... then rsync'd to new partition to make a running system [03:00] evening all. wondering if someone could tell me how to change the frequency at which ntp synchronizes the time. it happens really frequently on my server and I'll notice my music skip. [03:00] dchmelik: doing that for 64-bit will be a little more fun :-) [03:01] that sounds awesome... is script+rsync better than the CD instructions? [03:01] I mean the UPGRADE.TXT [03:02] the first few times I tried it I hosed my system [03:02] dchmelik: that's a matter of opinion ... the script I wrote is not user friendly ... requires hand editing some config files every version [03:03] irefay-irdbay619: my config also contains Vera, but I've never added any extra fonts to my systems. [03:03] for my taste buds, if you're spending the time to d/l the packages, might as well just burn the cd, backup /var and /etc and reinstall , it only takes 20 minutes to install, and I'd venture to guess it takes longer to upgrade by hand, or even a script and run the risk of error. [03:03] dchmelik: I'm not doing these as upgrades ... they are fresh installs ... at first into a chroot tree ... nothing in there to begin with ... the script uses installpkg from the host and targets the chroot directory for the core 16 packages ... then runs chroot to do the rest inside [03:03] chopp: Hmm. [03:04] dchmelik: packagetools itself being one of those first 16 packages [03:05] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:05] chopp: I just tried other fonts as well, Liberation, etc. no luck. [03:05] that is neat [03:05] irefay-irdbay619: a ap d l n x and xap are all thats ever installed on my boxen. :P [03:05] I might use such a utility if someone released it... but I think the upgrade process suits me [03:05] irefay-irdbay619, I don't know if things changed in later slack rev's...but I remove liberation package, it's evil, it over-rides my font settings. make web pages look wrong I find. [03:06] wahooooo8 (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] chopp, iiow why t/tc/tex isn't in 'd' section, so many builds need them [03:07] dchmelik: what about upgrading to 64 bit that way? [03:07] chopp: I got them too. [03:07] Oldway_Ogiefay: Hmm, ok. [03:07] irefay-irdbay619, slack 12.1 I'm referring to there. [03:07] /var/log/packages/liberation-fonts-ttf-1.04-noarch-1 [03:08] 12.2 ^^ [03:08] yea I actually removed it from slack install cd's [03:08] dchmelik: I'm actually wanting to build a multilib system, so both 32 bit and 64 bit programs can be run ... does not appear that slackware64 is multilib ... might need to steal stuff from slamd64 [03:08] it just messes up webpages, like , it hijacks fonts [03:08] for me at least [03:08] Oldway_Ogiefay: I used liberation all the time with FF when I used it, they were what looked the best to me. [03:09] dchmelik: I'm planning to build a system with 3 root trees: one 32 bit only, one 64 bit only, one 32/64 bit multilib ... boot the host from one of them ... use all for testing stuff [03:09] irefay-irdbay619, many times, I found when they showed up in FF, they made fonts run over pictures on web pages, [03:09] like columns of text didn't wrap around right [03:09] Hmm, I guess I never noticed that. [03:09] maybe since I state "minimum font size 16" ? [03:10] Skaperen: I use my Slamd64 box more than my Slackware ones... so I do not have to upgrade my 64-bit one [03:10] but then, maybe I had that issue and just thought the web page didn't load right. [03:10] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.25.167) joined ##slackware. [03:10] I think it would be better to install Slackware64 fresh on this system [03:10] maybe they dont wrap nice as deja for me, I dunno? [03:10] dchmelik: well, there ya go [03:10] Oldway_Ogiefay: so you use deja for fonts? [03:10] I am just thinking about how to do it in the future [03:10] irefay-irdbay619, deja or just sans [03:10] slacks21 (n=ckuttruf@ip68-101-220-87.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:10] Skaperen: and your process sounded neat [03:10] irefay-irdbay619, I find sans works better in opera [03:10] irefay-irdbay619, again, I dont why [03:11] chopp: Hmm, this is the full error I get, http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14061 [03:11] over my head..and under my feet [03:11] lol [03:11] dchmelik: I've believed in always doing fresh installs since 1986 (which doing so for a major university mainframe network instantly fixed all their stability problems) [03:11] I do not see why it would not work with Slackware [03:11] Oldway_Ogiefay: I have liberation set in opera too, maybe I'll have to give sans a try and see what it's like. [03:11] dchmelik: wanna see the script I use? [03:12] sure [03:12] Oldway_Ogiefay: Umm, I just tried setting that in opera, I don't have just sans. :( [03:12] I guess you have to delete obsolete packages with Slackware upgrades, but you can use a script if there are a lot [03:12] hirsty (i=4e9540a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4265e8278e0c36cd) joined ##slackware. [03:12] irefay-irdbay619, oh try deja then it looks good too [03:13] anyone gd with PHP? [03:13] oh wait that is what I have deja yea [03:13] irefay-irdbay619, in windows i have sans [03:13] :D [03:13] so I use sans/opera/windows deja/opera/slack [03:13] Action: hirsty needs help with his php assig :P [03:14] dchmelik: http://phil.ipal.org/slackware/scripts/build [03:14] ? [03:15] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.8.98) joined ##slackware. [03:15] Oldway_Ogiefay: :) Ok, thank you. [03:15] dchmelik: that's just to look-see ... it requires some infrastructure I have, too ... and I have not isolated that enough to do a general distribution of this ... but otherwise it's a freebie [03:15] irefay-irdbay619: I wish I knew what to suggest. Calander worked fine for me with 12.2, the -current, and now slackware64-current. [03:15] I will take a look [03:15] anyone use pidgin? [03:15] /s/the/then [03:15] Oldway_Ogiefay: what size font you use in opera? [03:15] 16 [03:15] chopp: that's alright, thanks. :) [03:16] Oldway_Ogiefay: k, thanks. [03:16] and use it with the config in /root but run it as non-root? [03:16] Oldway_Ogiefay: you use opera for mail too or what? [03:16] anyone point me in the way of rl life examples of server side and client side scripting (PHP plz [03:16] irefay-irdbay619, no I use webmail [03:17] Oldway_Ogiefay: ok. and you have the minimum font size in opera at 16, or each individual font set at 16? [03:17] guess thats a no [03:18] irefay-irdbay619, well I use 16 cuz my monitor is kind'a far. but yes I told each line for web pages to be 16 [03:18] err, in Opera, I have a Dejavu Sans [unknown] and Dejavu sans [misc] [03:18] unknown is what i use [03:19] I'll use Dejavu Sans, Dejavu sans looks horrible. [03:19] Skaperen: dang, that is one of the most complex scripts I have ever seen... almost as long firefox [03:19] If only opera had a way to set them all at once. :P [03:20] some 1 one help me here plz? [03:20] hirsty, maybe a php channel is better? [03:20] looking for one and cant find [03:20] one of em im banned from for some reason :/ [03:21] Ah Ha, opera:config and just copy and paste. :) [03:21] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:22] hirsty (i=4e9540a0@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4265e8278e0c36cd) left ##slackware. [03:22] dchmelik: uh ... I have a few complex ones like that :) [03:22] irefay-irdbay619, ah never thought of that [03:23] dchmelik: a couple have even been published by O'Reilly in a book where I wrote the chapter on Bash scripting :) [03:23] I have read the book on ksh when I used NetBSD, but I need to read the bash one [03:23] Oldway_Ogiefay: 16's a bit big for what I like, but I really like Dajavu. Thanks for mentioning it. [03:23] irefay-irdbay619, yw [03:25] Oldway_Ogiefay: opera has opera:config setup so much nicer than FF's about:config. :) [03:25] Action: Oldway_Ogiefay exec's rain on everyone's console in ##slackware [03:25] dchmelik: http://phil.ipal.org/scripts/rsend <--- this script runs an rsync daemon on the fly ... for rsync p2p exchanges [03:25] OH NOES [03:25] irefay-irdbay619, yea opera does alot of things better imo (not all ..but more) [03:26] agreed [03:26] dchmelik: http://phil.ipal.org/scripts/ss <--- runs an ssh session that runs screen remotely [03:26] dchmelik: http://phil.ipal.org/scripts/vq <--- grabs videos from YouTube and saves them as files [03:26] I will take a look at the first, but I have trouble memorizing how to use screen so I do not much anymore [03:27] Skaperen, make a script that finds my car keys, you'll be the man [03:27] that is all pretty cool, though I prefer K&R syntax for everything [03:28] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:28] Oldway_Ogiefay: any opinion on smartctl? [03:28] lagging again darnnit [03:28] holy cow lost track of time.gnight all [03:28] Oldway_Ogiefay: that might need a special robotic platform [03:28] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [03:29] Where would I check to see if I have the verda font? [03:29] dchmelik: also ... I need to adapt Pat's isolinux stuff to make bootable USB memory sticks [03:30] irefay-irdbay619, /usr/share/fonts/ [03:30] irefay-irdbay619, grep -rl verda /var/log/packages [03:30] k, thank you. [03:30] I thought Slackware already has bootable USB sticks [03:30] or is this some special kind? [03:31] dchmelik: I have created what I call "Hybrid ISO" images for Ubuntu 8.10, 9.04 and EasyPeasy 1.1 (Ubuntu based) ... "Hybrid ISO" is an image format that is both a bootable ISO and a bootable hard drive image in one [03:31] Skaperen, it's already in slackware to do that [03:31] dchmelik: well, maybe it has .... I haven't seen it [03:31] Oldway_Ogiefay: is there a special command to do that? [03:31] I guess you meant to boot Slackware on [03:31] it has 'boot disk' type sticks but maybe that is all [03:31] Skaperen, yea 'dd' the img for the usb boot and done. [03:32] haha, theres a dir in /usr/share/fonts named Speedo. :P [03:33] Oldway_Ogiefay: but there is no such image in the distro tree ... something to build it is what I'm looking for? [03:33] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.8.98) left irc: Connection timed out [03:33] chopp: GOT IT. changed config.txt to DejaVuSans. :) [03:33] Oldway_Ogiefay: kinda like building the ISO image [03:34] Oldway_Ogiefay: but build it for USB memory sticks [03:34] Skaperen, it's still the slackware install, open up the iso in whihever app you prefer and just use the 'cooking up some slack guide' [03:34] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [03:34] Skaperen: which book did you write for? [03:34] Oldway_Ogiefay: that's not what I'm trying to achieve [03:34] what a full loaded up one? [03:35] Oldway_Ogiefay: I'm trying to make an IMAGE file that can be dd'd directly to USB memory stick to create a bootable one that can be used to install that version of slackware on another machine [03:35] Skaperen, that is what I'm talkin gof [03:35] irefay-irdbay619: I still don't understand why you don't have vera available. [03:35] that's what the usb install is [03:35] dchmelik: the one called "Linux System Administration" by Adelstein (a friend of mine) [03:36] chopp: me either. but at least it works now. [03:36] Oldway_Ogiefay: right ... but there's something different because I don't see that in the distro [03:37] Skaperen, http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/usb-and-pxe-installers/README_USB.TXT [03:37] Oldway_Ogiefay: all I see is some kick starter for USB ... not the same thing [03:38] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [03:38] Oldway_Ogiefay: that's not what I'm trying to build [03:38] I dont know what to tell you then. [03:38] Oldway_Ogiefay: what I'm trying to build is a COMPLETE image ... all the packages are on it [03:38] If you're trying to image a box, then just image it then, partimage live cd and done. [03:38] Skaperen: what version? If it is in TLDP I read the '96 or '97 version [03:38] that's what partimage is for [03:39] chopp: do you have a verda package on it's own, or is verda in with something else? [03:39] heck you can even use DD and pipe to gzip [03:39] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [03:40] Oldway_Ogiefay: when I accomplish my goal, the product will be an image file that can be EITHER burned to a DVD -OR- dd'd to a USB memory stick ... and either of them will be a complete bootable with packages [03:40] Oldway_Ogiefay: I did it for Ubuntu [03:40] good for you [03:40] it's redundant, but whichever floats your boat [03:40] Oldway_Ogiefay: I'm just trying to explain my goal ... not the same as what's in the distro [03:40] chopp: http://imagebin.org/50152 [03:41] Oldway_Ogiefay; how is it redundant ... there's nothing out there like this [03:41] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.1.164) joined ##slackware. [03:41] Oldway_Ogiefay: the instructions in usb-and-pxe-installers tell how make a kick starter that requires something else for the packages [03:42] Skaperen, which you just cp the tree over if you like to the usb, or the pc you're loading, or dvd , or network, it's a full install environment as far as which/wherever the admin decides to grab packages from. [03:43] Oldway_Ogiefay: and can it be burned to a DVD? [03:44] the usb is meant for usb, but yes you can have your packages residing on a dvd, and use the option in the install for "install from premounted directory" [03:44] so you boot up the usb, mount /dev/dvd /mnt/tmp ..then run setup... [03:45] or you can use nfs, samba ftp [03:45] if you prefer [03:45] I believe http is added also [03:45] Oldway_Ogiefay: I think you still misunderstand what it is I'm trying to do (you aren't the first) [03:45] well try wording it differently then :) [03:45] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:46] Oldway_Ogiefay: Oh I'm loving DejaVu Sans. Really nice, clean, clear, smooth font. :) [03:46] irefay-irdbay619, yup [03:46] Oldway_Ogiefay: how about "unifying ISO and USB so there is no longer any opaque distinction ... same image (whether with or without packages) works on either" [03:46] that makes no sense to me [03:46] Oldway_Ogiefay: you're not the only one. ;) [03:47] well, try telling me what you want, as if I was 5 years old then. [03:47] lol [03:47] Oldway_Ogiefay: how about: someone wants to download a complete install image ... you can point to ONE file and do not need to ask them if it's for a DVD or USB memory stick [03:48] Oldway_Ogiefay: you know what would happen if you take a bootable .iso file and dd it to a USB memory stick and try to boot the USB? [03:49] no an option like that doesnt exist. [03:49] Oldway_Ogiefay: yes it does [03:49] Oldway_Ogiefay: for Ubuntu it does ... I created it [03:49] irefay-irdbay619: hey right on. :) was it not vera that you were missing? [03:49] yea but ubunut sux tho [03:49] I've done that before, made the usb drive bootable, put the contents of the distro .iso on there and away I went. [03:49] :) [03:50] problem is,..the byte size of bootloader madness [03:50] Oldway_Ogiefay: I'm not gonna argue that point ... I'm trying to do it on Slackware now [03:50] chopp: Yeah, verda's still mia, but DejaVuSans is working nice. [03:50] you see the screenshot? [03:51] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-164-37.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:51] irefay-irdbay619: but try making it as one single image that can be either burned to DVD or dd'd to USB and each will be bootable [03:51] Skaperen, well talk to alienbob here, as for all I know he has one. he's spent a ton of time on the installers. [03:51] Oldway_Ogiefay: OK [03:51] Skaperen, so he may be able to assist, give pointers etc for your project [03:51] irefay-irdbay619: yes it looks great. The first error you posted though, was looking for vera bold. [03:52] Skaperen, this is his site http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=start [03:52] Oldway_Ogiefay: I'm sure I don't need any ... I've a couple decades experience with things like that, including on several embedded platforms [03:52] lymeca (n=lymeca@dsl-74-220-76-19.dhcp.cruzio.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [03:52] Skaperen: When I did it, I used the same dvd iso image as I would have put on a dvd, only I put it onto a flash drive and made the flash drive bootable. [03:52] Oldway_Ogiefay: I'll look it over [03:52] irefay-irdbay619: OK, but you still did 2 steps, right? [03:52] chopp: Yeah, they all complained about bold, so I removed bold from the config file. :P [03:53] Skaperen: yeah, 1. make the drive bootable 2. put the iso contents on there. That's not that difficult. [03:53] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:54] chopp: the config.txt file specifies bold by placing Bd at the end of the font name, I don't think all fonts specify bold that way either, thus it complained. [03:55] irefay-irdbay619: when you say "put the ISO contents on there" do you mean mount the ISO and copy the files ... is the USB in FAT format? [03:55] yup, sure is. [03:55] Skaperen: no, you dd the iso to the raw flash device [03:56] irefay-irdbay619: in my config date_today_font is the only bold, and it's VeraBd [03:56] Action: Oldway_Ogiefay dances to the sweet music of supertuxkart [03:56] lol [03:56] good grief...what were these dev's thinking! [03:56] irefay-irdbay619: OK ... well, I won't insult you with a Ubuntu image ... I'll wait until I build one for Slackware 13.0 ... then point you to it ... you can then download it and just dd it to a USB memory stick ... it will be bootable and ready to use when the dd is done [03:56] the grandkids love this game, but the music is *horrible* [03:56] yosii: which ISO? [03:57] yosii: the one made through instructions in the "isolinux" directory? [03:57] Skaperen: I wonder if you missed when I asked which version of the Linux Systems Administrator Handbook you wrote for... I think I read an old version in my TLDP book. [03:57] Skaperen: yeah, that'd be the one [03:57] Action: Oldway_Ogiefay only runs slackware official boot img's (/me takes off tin foil hat) [03:57] chopp: I had two bolds in there. DejaVuSans specifies it by adding -bold to the end. Anyway, it works now so it's all good, except verda is mia, don't know why. [03:57] dchmelik: I didn't miss it, but I've been distracted [03:58] dchmelik: not an online TLDP thing ... a printed O'Reilly book [03:58] Skaperen: Well, you go ahead and try to make that, but I won't use it. I only use official slack stuff, not to mention I have a dvd burner, the slackware dvd iso, it works, I use it. [03:58] Oldway_Ogiefay: Aww, taking off the hat? :P [03:59] oh it's always close by [03:59] lol [03:59] Oldway_Ogiefay: not the HAT... [03:59] within arms reach eh? [03:59] irefay-irdbay619: I'll make the script that makes it free/open ... then you can make your own [03:59] but the x-ray goggles remain in the ON position [03:59] haha [03:59] yosii, :) [03:59] see through xray? :O :P [03:59] irefay-irdbay619: the idea is, every distro should make ONE image that works both ways [03:59] for all I know, he'll swap out the slackware stuff and put the ubunut virrii on my boxen :) [04:00] Oldway_Ogiefay: haha, yeah. [04:00] Oldway_Ogiefay: it'll be a script ... you can read the script ... I hope [04:00] irefay-irdbay619: I'm glad it's working for you, but everytime you say "verda" you confuse me more. ;) [04:00] durr which way did he go , for which is the read you speak of, drool, dribble dribble [04:00] read...I hope.. kiss my ass [04:01] dchmelik: I'll go look for the book now [04:01] Nick change: yosii -> osiiyay [04:01] oh... what I read was Linux Systems Administrator Guide... not handbool [04:01] Oldway_Ogiefay: My point is that slackware already has nice tools that work great. Having two images, one dvd, one usb, whatever is not that hard to get the one you need and use it. :P [04:01] Action: osiiyay joins the club [04:01] (handbook) [04:01] irefay-irdbay619, correct [04:02] chopp: sorry if I confused you. I just mean that the Verda font is missing. It isn't in /usr/share/fonts or anything. [04:02] welcome to the pig latin club osiiyay [04:02] ankthay ouyay [04:02] oppchay! [04:03] dchmelik ... http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596009526/ [04:03] osiiyay: your are now one of the elite who dare be bold enough to change their nicks to pig latin. [04:03] Oldway_Ogiefay: lol, oppchay. [04:03] * chopp is now known as oppchay [04:03] haha [04:03] irefay-irdbay619: 00:58 | irefay-irdbay619 > chopp: adesklets.error_handler.ADESKLETSError: adesklets command error - font 'VeraBd/12' [04:03] vera [04:04] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:04] bold [04:04] oh man, I'm sorry, I typed it wrong this whole time. :P [04:04] fail [04:04] Oldway_Ogiefay: isn't the first time. :D [04:04] s/failway [04:04] Skaperen: I will check it out [04:04] irefay-irdbay619: don't be sorry, lol. [04:04] :) [04:04] Oldway_Ogiefay: s/failway/ailfay [04:04] osiiyay, correct :) [04:05] I created a font that doesn't even exist yet. :P [04:05] haha [04:05] dang, I didn't fail, I'm just that dang good, you guys just didn't know it. :D [04:05] [ in bed ] [04:05] haha that looks like a GNU herd on the cover [04:05] :O [04:05] dchmelik: my name is not on the title ... it's inside in the credits ... I was helping a friend who was originally writing it with some help from a couple people that abandoned him ... I wrote 3 chapters in it [04:06] Oldway_Ogiefay: you're sure [in bed] alot, you scare me sometimes. :P [04:06] dchmelik: it was a last minute rush job in 3 weeks [04:06] irefay-irdbay619: now that we have that figured out....life goes on. :P [04:06] it always does. :) [04:06] I can't believe I didn't catch that, Verda sounds like a good font. :P [04:06] irefay-irdbay619: no, it ended...it's over...*freaks out* [04:07] haha [04:07] Action: irefay-irdbay619 makes a tin foil hat...just in case. [04:07] Action: Oldway_Ogiefay imagines everyone in here pig latining (is that a word :) their nick and freaking the admin's out :) [04:07] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@77.46.191.129) joined ##slackware. [04:07] I guess I would rather system administrate than program non-Free Software, but I would still have to learn too much [04:08] haha, that'd be awesome. [04:08] Action: osiiyay jumps into a fallout shelter...locks the door [04:08] chmelikday :) [04:08] osiiyay, lemme in...lemme in! [04:08] osiiyay: haha [04:08] Oldway_Ogiefay: get your own...this one's full [04:08] there is only one op [04:08] dchmelik: programming non-free software is a sucky life [04:08] osiiyay, is that some kind of 'fat' joke :) [04:08] Action: irefay-irdbay619 gets the shelter penetrating missle, this'll teach you. :) [04:09] my nick is registered anyway [04:09] Oldway_Ogiefay: i'm a big guy [04:09] dchmelik: you can still change your nick. [04:09] Nick change: dchmelik -> chmelikday [04:09] haha [04:09] see [04:09] :) [04:09] Oldway_Ogiefay: we've converted another. [04:09] \0? [04:09] Action: osiiyay has his shelter under a few km of concrete...good luk [04:09] \0/ [04:09] only what, 265 to go? :P [04:10] Action: Oldway_Ogiefay pulls his finger standing overtop of air intake duct of osiiyay shelter! [04:10] osiiyay: dang. [04:10] Oldway_Ogiefay: hahaha [04:10] take that! [04:10] osiiyay: your gonna get gassed out. [04:10] Action: osiiyay has multiple air sources [04:10] you can run...but you cannot hide. [04:10] your shelter no match for the gas of Oldway_Ogiefay [04:11] Tux_ (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-91-173.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:11] had chilli dogs too, so it's heavier than air [04:11] Action: osiiyay closes vent near Oldway_Ogiefay [04:11] Action: irefay-irdbay619 watches osiiyay put on a oxygen mask. [04:11] I will have to roll a d100 to see if you can lift the gate [04:11] Action: Oldway_Ogiefay drops a lit match down the other air vent to osiiyay [04:11] *kaboom* [04:12] there lies osiiyay, he was a good man, big man, but not a wise man. :P [04:12] Tux_ (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-91-173.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [04:12] should've closed that other vent. :P [04:12] anyone like Rogue, Hack, Moria, Angband, and TOME? [04:12] Action: Oldway_Ogiefay starts measuring curtains for his new fall out shelter [04:12] Tux_ (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-91-173.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:12] Action: osiiyay starts positive pressure filtration system that pulls air from subway and carbon filtersit [04:12] Nick change: Tux_ -> Camarade_Tux [04:12] osiiyay: dang, you must be loaded. [04:12] Hey Camarade_Tux [04:13] osiiyay: or do you just know the *right* people? [04:13] hey firebird619 :p [04:13] njathan (i=1000@203.115.79.211) joined ##slackware. [04:13] Oldway_Ogiefay: curtains? you better put it deeper ... and by all means don't use windows [04:13] Camarade_Tux: c'mon, change your nick to pig latin. :P [04:13] irefay-irdbay619: connections are more valuable than money [04:13] lol [04:13] indeed [04:14] irefay-irdbay619, was about to ask what was going on with the nicks ;p [04:14] amaradeCay_uxTay. :) [04:14] I think we are doing it wrong [04:14] when you spell it it ends with an a [04:14] when you say it it is said 'ay' [04:14] Camarade_Tux: type pig in terminal, then type what you want converted to pig latin. :) [04:14] right? [04:14] Action: Camarade_Tux not on slackware right now, *whistles* [04:14] chmelikday, like irefay-irdbay619 said, you use 'man pig' if questions on it [04:14] Camarade_Tux, bsd? [04:15] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.1.164) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:15] chmelikday: No, it's ay with spelling too. [04:15] Oldway_Ogiefay, I would probably have bsd-games then ;p [04:15] oh yea :) [04:15] Camarade_Tux: you traitor, what are you on, tell me now. :P [04:15] nooper, I'm on windows (I should note down the two links I want and reboot) [04:15] Nick change: osiiyay -> yosiiay [04:15] :O, WINDOWS, WHAT?!? [04:15] that's correct according to pig [04:16] yosiiay: heh, it is. :) [04:16] Hello, can someone tell me, is Slackware 13.0 going to be released soon, or I'll have to install Slackware 12.2 (if it is going to be released soon, then I'll wait, sorry for my bad english, corrections are welcomed)? [04:16] irefay-irdbay619, he, yes, windows, the reason is that kongregate.com is not playable on linux+ff right now (they broke it like two weeks ago) [04:16] Camarade_Tux: you'd be: Amaradecay_Uxtay [04:17] sh0ne, probably going to be released in a not so distant future but when... [04:17] Nick change: Camarade_Tux -> Amaradecay_Uxtay [04:17] sh0ne: I do not see why they will do it soon. They will do it when they want with little announcement here until the time. [04:17] sh0ne, there is no official time line. pretty much 6-7 months from date of prior release you should "keep an eye out". but it will be noted in the slackware --current when Mr. V gives a heads up and call for extra testing by the community. [04:17] Oldway_Ogiefay: Yay, we've converted another, Amaradecay_Uxtay has come to our side. :) [04:17] hahaha [04:18] Amaradecay_Uxtay: YAY [04:18] exbio_ (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [04:18] :P [04:18] Oh man, I gotta get going. It's 03:17. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. Take Care. [04:18] 10am here :p [04:18] gn irefay-irdbay619 [04:18] so what, do we talk about getting more ackslay and knowing obbay? [04:18] good night Oldway_Ogiefay [04:19] later yosiiay [04:19] bye Amaradecay_Uxtay [04:19] irefay-irdbay619: later [04:19] anyone tracked any Goa trance with one of those 'tracker' programs that come with Slackware? [04:19] irefay-irdbay619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [04:19] Thank you, guys, for the information. I was looking for Linux distribution that suites me, and Slackware is definitely the one. The more I searched, the more I was sure...Thank you, again. [04:20] sh0ne, yw [04:20] chmelikday, what tracker programs [04:20] like Audacious or something [04:20] but I am kidding [04:20] they are MOD players not trackers [04:20] some distros call them trackers [04:20] maybe NetBSD does, not Slackware [04:22] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.25.167) left irc: "Leaving" [04:27] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.36.44) joined ##slackware. [04:28] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.36.44) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:28] alicephilippa (n=alice@217.146.125.17) joined ##slackware. [04:31] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.82.101) joined ##slackware. [04:34] if you pay to go on one of those new spaceships look out for spaceliens [04:34] yosiiay (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:38] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [04:38] njathan (i=1000@203.115.79.211) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:42] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@77.46.191.129) left irc: "Leaving" [04:42] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@77.46.191.129) joined ##slackware. [04:46] chmelikday (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:47] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-91-171.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Connection timed out [04:49] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [04:49] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Success [04:50] hes probally thinking of that slackware fork. [04:51] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "toytoy has no reason" [04:51] exbios__ (n=ada@201.110.100.81) joined ##slackware. [04:51] exbio_ (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Connection reset by peer [04:53] the xz package from -current ... as well as the tar package ... do not work on 12.0 ... gotta go find some other [04:54] lymeca (n=lymeca@dsl-74-220-76-19.dhcp.cruzio.com) joined ##slackware. [04:55] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable233.40-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:56] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable233.40-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [04:56] and now for the real fun ... re-installing the old tar program ... without a running tar program [05:04] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable233.40-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:06] Skaperen, did you remove the original tar app ..then install the new one? oh my that's not good. [05:06] Skaperen, I'd say make it a zip file...then copy it over, and use midnight commander and manual cp the files [05:06] dont forget any symlinks [05:07] or use unzip command at cli [05:08] Oldway_Ogiefay: no ... I did upgradepkg [05:09] Oldway_Ogiefay: tar would not run ... library mismatch [05:09] ah, ok. try the unzip that should do it. [05:09] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [05:09] Skaperen,no you cant install tar from --current on 12 , you'd have to build it. [05:09] Oldway_Ogiefay: I already fixed it ... rsync from another machine to get a temporary tar ... the install the original package [05:10] Oldway_Ogiefay: OK ... someone earlier said I could, so I tried it [05:11] Oldway_Ogiefay: so yeah ... I guess I have to build it [05:11] Skaperen, they were wrong to state that. there's different glibc, and on and on. anything _built_ slack --current is not binary compatible with any previous versions. [05:12] Skaperen, yea I built xz and built the tar for 12.1 and it worked. I'd venture to guess you should be fine to build both of them on 12. [05:12] build xz first, install it. then build the tar..then upgradepkg it. [05:12] Oldway_Ogiefay: actually, it often is compatible ... just not required to be ... and this is 3 versions back so [05:13] yeah, xz first makes sense [05:14] the executable actually ran ... ld.so linked it ... but the code that was running detected an older glibc and aborted [05:15] which is just part of the glibc silliness we have to deal with ... I doubt anything in tar or even xz actually NEEDS the new glibc ... just some glibc-ish ABI issue might exist for some functions or structures (and maybe even nothing used by these), so glibc forces it to abort [05:16] which basically means, binary executables are not compatible between linux machines without having a ton of redundant libraries around [05:17] drives me nuts [05:17] I was talking with another fellow here about libtool 2 series, as it's not in Slackware just yet, but I upgraded mine..and it still has link to this that madness. [05:19] so looks like it wont be going away anytime soon [05:20] that's what the whole libc.so.5 vs. libc.so.6 thing was supposed to be about ... those were supposed to be the ABI versionings ... but glibc has been breaking that since about 2.2 [05:20] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.88.12) joined ##slackware. [05:21] if there was an ABI change (as opposed to just adding new functions) in libc ... should bump to libc.so.7 ... so you could have 2 or more parallel libs to satisfy all executable versions [05:22] but glibc breaks that ... and breaks it in a way that makes it so you can't have multiple lib versions to satisfy all executables [05:22] every incompatible glibc should increment the libc.so number so ld.so recognizes which lib to use [05:23] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable233.40-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [05:24] Oldway_Ogiefay, go to bed! [05:24] nevar! [05:24] Linux will never be usable by the masses until that get that fixed (as well as a few other things, of course) ... the rest of us compile from source when needed :) [05:25] crazy! [05:25] Action: Skaperen h4ndz Oldway_Ogiefay teh c4ff31ne [05:25] always :) [05:25] Action: edman007 drinks c4ff31ne [05:26] Action: Skaperen swigs another Mt Dew Throwback [05:26] the binary breakage in linux is very frustrating tho for sure [05:33] paissad_ (n=paissad@12.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [05:34] Action: Skaperen is trying to remember (or find the doc for) the setup to run the slack builds [05:34] Action: Skaperen hasn't done this in like 10 years [05:35] alicephilippa (n=alice@217.146.125.17) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:38] source *.info && wget $DOWNLOAD && ./my.SlackBuild [05:38] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-122-54.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [05:40] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.34.233) joined ##slackware. [05:42] Amaradecay_Uxtay: in what directory? [05:43] in the directory with the slackbuild :) [05:43] Amaradecay_Uxtay: won't run anywhere else? [05:44] Action: Skaperen is trying to remember stuff from over 10 years ago [05:44] afaik, they will :) [05:44] but you can check a slackbuild for that too (I don't remember if it expects the source to be in the slackbuild folder or in the current folder) [05:45] marco_ (n=marco@ppp-117-146.32-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [05:45] so in any directory ... just run the SlackBuild by full path? [05:46] the slackbuild and source in same dir. run the buildscript from there, such as ./foo.SlackBuild [05:46] I don't want to foul up my pristine mirror directory :) [05:46] I guess I just need to copy the whole directory to /tmp [05:47] maybe that was how I ended up doing it before ... I remember I had to do some kind of juggling act [05:47] Skaperen, http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [05:48] it's a quick read [05:50] Oldway_Ogiefay, sleep! [05:50] nevar! [05:50] how long have you been awake? [05:50] about 20 hrs [05:51] hahaha [05:51] well i'm going to where its warm and sunny :P [05:51] Oldway_Ogiefay: thanks ... yeah that was a quick read ... but it assumed I didn't have everything already downloaded [05:51] zlinux[] (n=zlinux@79.172.166.16) joined ##slackware. [05:51] Action: Skaperen has all of it downloaded ... and slamd64 too [05:51] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: "C-x C-c" [05:52] yea the script doesnt have a 'if ! sourceball; exit fi' [05:54] marco_ (n=marco@ppp-117-146.32-151.iol.it) left ##slackware ("Sto andando via"). [05:55] it acts like it runs ... I see configure and compiler messages ... but nothing is there [06:01] after it's built,the package is in /tmp [06:03] Oldway_Ogiefay: ok ... why is sendmail's SlackBuild just "SlackBuild" and not "sendmail.SlackBuild" ? [06:03] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [06:03] Skaperen, which slack version so we're lookign at same thing here [06:05] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.34.233) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:05] Oldway_Ogiefay: -current [06:06] Action: Skaperen checks other versions [06:06] Skaperen, ah that one is special, as it's a buildsystem he has for that package. It's actually two builds in one. [06:06] that's not un-common...but not "very" common. [06:06] like X is a build system, as is KDE [06:06] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-194-127.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [06:07] that is odd it's just labeled SlackBuild you're right. [06:07] but, it's his thing ya know :) [06:08] zlinux_ (n=zlinux@79.172.167.92) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:08] sendmails slackbuild is "SlackBuild-sendmail" in both 12.2, and -current [06:09] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/source/n/sendmail/ [06:09] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.35.138) joined ##slackware. [06:09] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/source/n/sendmail/ [06:10] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:10] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) joined ##slackware. [06:10] Oldway_Ogiefay: but KDE does have KDE.SlackBuild [06:11] Oldway_Ogiefay: seems to be this way in all versions since 10.0 where this name pattern started [06:11] well he has specific slackbuilds for each of the two sendmail/related packages in that dir there, but the one you noticed, is really a script that calls each of them. [06:11] frullet (n=hooch@124-171-59-81.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:11] Oldway_Ogiefay: I'm trying to figure a logic to pick the correct file to run ... maybe whatever ENDS in SlackBuild ... e.g. matching 'SlackBuild$' [06:11] the standard is the appname.SlackBuild ; I don't know when that was implemented tho. [06:12] Oldway_Ogiefay: appears to be implemented in 10.0 [06:12] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-67-124-150-194.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:12] Action: Skaperen has every version of Slackware on his hard drive [06:13] I started slack at the 10.2 days [06:13] so it's always just been that way [06:14] Hermann (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [06:15] exbio_ (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [06:15] from your perspective I guess it would [06:15] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Client Quit [06:15] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:16] man I still cannot get this gcompris to build, it's just amazing to me. [06:18] exbios__ (n=ada@201.110.100.81) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:18] Action: Skaperen started with Slackware ... oh wait ... before Slackware ... SLS [06:18] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.82.101) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:19] you have the old install media laying around? iirc Slackware is not in possession of one of the first releases [06:21] 56.78 GB of Slackware [06:22] Oldway_Ogiefay: I have images on disk ... not physical external media [06:22] ah ok [06:22] Oldway_Ogiefay: you referring to floppies of 1.0? [06:22] how many people changed their name now? [06:22] yes Skaperen [06:22] dchmelik, I think 5 :) [06:22] Nskapere [06:22] I have 12 floppy images [06:22] that's 1.0 [06:23] what is SLS? [06:23] that system that led to Slackware? [06:23] dchmelik: pre-Slackware ... Slackware started as a cleanup of SLS [06:23] I recall that now [06:23] Skaperen, in an interview, Mr. V said he didn't have the release on floppy anymore of Slackware's first release, so I'm assuming tht's what he means. [06:23] I started in '97 though... I have just read about SLS [06:24] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-113-111.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:24] but it is still in some archive, right? [06:24] Heya,folks...How's everyone? [06:24] I dont know, but I'm using autoconf from slack 2.0 to build firefox with cuz firefox doesnt want to change their build system around [06:24] hey MLanden :) [06:25] or should I say "hello Andenmlay" :) [06:25] Action: Oldway_Ogiefay is performing a coo on the world, by convincing others to pig latin their /nick :) [06:26] http://pastebin.com/d1e68621c <-- list of slackwares I have [06:26] Skaperen, woh! all of them installed? or all on cd/floppy ? [06:26] Oldway_Ogiefay: on a directory of my hard drive [06:26] Oldway_Ogiefay: with 3 backups [06:26] oh like an rsync? [06:27] Eyahay,Oldway_Ogiefay...Owhay isay ouryay orningmay?....LOL.... [06:27] like that, yeah [06:27] err...file copy I mean of the tree [06:27] MLanden, pretty good and yours? [06:27] yeah, replica of the tree [06:27] kevin01123 (n=quassel@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [06:27] MLanden, didnt think I could read it that fast did ya :) [06:27] Action: MLanden unties his fingers and drink his first cup of coffee [06:27] hmmm, interesting gcompris built with -no- patch from SBo...huh. [06:28] Action: Oldway_Ogiefay hums.."the best part of waking up..is coffee in my cup" [06:28] Good for the morning,Oldway_Ogiefay [06:29] oh no!!! the sun is up!!! time for bed [06:29] Skaperen, yeah all the day walkers are coming in [06:29] yeah [06:29] a friend of mine made a track that said 'I am hacker--that okay--I code all night and I sleep all day.' [06:29] he comes here sometimes [06:30] (I should have said 'made a song' if you do not know that jargon) [06:30] OK, should I build my own script to build all slackware packages? or is there one somewhere already? [06:30] dchmelik: to the tune of "I'm a lumberjack" from Monty Python? [06:30] might be fun to just build everything [06:30] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:31] MLanden: I am not sure... likely though [06:31] Skaperen, like a script to build a *bunch* of packages? [06:31] not that I recall that Monty Python song [06:31] does slack64 also make the distinction between lib64 and l [06:31] b [06:31] dejavu [06:31] lib even? [06:31] Oldway_Ogiefay: s/a bunch/all/ [06:31] dchmelik: cool [06:32] so you have not heard his song? I guess he has not been sharing them for a while [06:32] Skaperen, Oh I dont know if there is one for Slackware itself (it's not on the install CD's) ; perhaps there is some un-official one I dont know. I do have a buildsystem I made on my own for my stuff. Makes life much easier. [06:32] Oldway_Ogiefay: I ran a script once to build ever version of gcc since 3.0 against every version of glibc since 2.0 to see which combinations worked together and which didn't [06:32] actually I think it was more like a bluegrass song but I am not sure [06:33] Oldway_Ogiefay: we had a build system for mass builds of Fedora ported to non-intel architectures where I used to work ... that was always crazy fun to run [06:33] Skaperen: so you used 2.0 to build later versuions? [06:33] dchmelik: 2.0 ? [06:33] glibc [06:33] oh I thought you said gcc [06:33] Skaperen: Whch archs? [06:34] dchmelik: you mean build glibc 2.1 from glibc 2.0 ? [06:34] something like that [06:34] MLanden: arm, mips, ppc mostly [06:34] MLanden: both endians of each, too [06:35] Skaperen: awesome [06:36] Action: Skaperen has been a continuous user of slackware since 1.0 days ... doing it binary ever since ... while dabbling in other stuff and sources elsewhere (linux from scratch, fedora, gentoo) [06:37] yet through all that my desktops and file server have remained slackware [06:37] because ... it's solid [06:37] I wonder if one could do a Hurd From Scratch [06:37] with dialog instead of apt-get [06:37] think with the knockoff netbooks that are coming out ,it's always good to hear someone keep a maintainance on those archs [06:38] I guess you would not even use dialog at first... you would have to compile everything [06:38] MLanden: I had been thinking I want to get that ARM port of slack and fix it up for the new ARM netbooks [06:38] Skaperen: good to hear [06:39] credo (n=36th@80.233.147.119) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:40] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429496.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:41] Shouldn't be too bad,since they keep close as possible to the x86 instructions [06:42] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429496.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:42] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@77.46.191.129) left irc: "Leaving" [06:42] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl26-100.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:43] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [06:44] hello everyone [06:44] and with the new Opera being released, would be a cool project for cloud computing [06:45] heya,Lord_Khelben [06:49] welp, bed time for bonzo. night night all. [06:49] Oldway_Ogiefay (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [06:53] Skaperen: You can't just grab packages from slamd64 [06:54] c/ aren't quite compatible [06:54] it's being worked on. [06:55] Skaperen, what is the problem with the new ARM and armedslack ? the new EABI ? [06:56] Skaperen: due to not comparing against a pure64 slackware-like distro in the past, some of the required 32-bit stuff is actually in the supposedly-64-bit-onlyu packages in slamd64. [06:58] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [06:58] tooly (n=tooly@e178174178.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [07:05] Amaradecay_Uxtay: good question, 'specially on what serves as the fpu ( hardware or software) [07:10] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [07:10] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:10] hey guys [07:11] Heya, compl3x [07:11] [= [07:16] hey compl3x [07:16] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a0947003e15f0f0e) joined ##slackware. [07:17] Hey Amaradecay_Uxtay [07:17] (that nick is definitely impossible to pronounce) [07:19] Whos nick? [07:19] mine ;) [07:19] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@77.46.191.129) joined ##slackware. [07:19] I can pronounce it :p [07:19] sounds like a magic trick :p [07:19] kama (n=kama@host27-115-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:19] or something from harry potter. [07:19] kama (n=kama@host27-115-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:19] andrew_46 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew46/x-040147) joined ##slackware. [07:20] I've been converted to pig latin earlier this morning ;) [07:20] andrew_46 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew46/x-040147) left ##slackware. [07:20] is it /usr/bin/games/pig ? [07:20] Camarade Tux? [07:21] he :p [07:21] I guessed lol :p [07:21] my "pig" nickname is "rgay3", so i better not use it :DDD [07:22] lol :p [07:22] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.116.159) joined ##slackware. [07:22] Im omplcay3xay [07:22] and I was thinking my nich was impossible to pronounce ;p [07:23] and that sounds more aztec to me ;) [07:23] shmalu (i=shmalu@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-a956990f41a4dad6) joined ##slackware. [07:23] <[z]imba> hey,i have x86 platform,my query is actually isnt there an advantage of optimization when we compile and make package rather useing actual binary package !! [07:24] <[z]imba> well not applicable for larger ones like kde [07:25] the 'multimedia' apps and the compression/cryptographic ones are the most likely to benefit from a recompile with optimized CFLAGS (-march=native being a really good candidate ;) ) [07:26] <[z]imba> Amaradecay_Uxtay: what abt others , y not try to rebuild entire slackware from source from repso .. [07:26] <[z]imba> wouldnt that be a + [07:27] you won't get any noticeable performance improvement [07:27] <[z]imba> Amaradecay_Uxtay: have tried it b4 :) [07:27] <[z]imba> #i mean have you [07:27] yep :p [07:28] <[z]imba> entire slackwaer >? [07:28] nooper, not entire but parts [07:28] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.35.138) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:28] as long as the program is not using > 50% of your cpu, it's useless to rebuild [07:28] (plus all apps won't benefit) [07:29] <[z]imba> hmm.. [07:29] s/plus/and/ [07:29] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-122-54.ip38.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "leaving" [07:29] <[z]imba> what abt recompiling qt and kde ? [07:29] <[z]imba> wouldnt they benift [07:30] they probably wouldn't benefit much since most of the cpu-consuming work is done by libs coming from other packages [07:30] Not severely. [07:30] [z]imba: it sounds like you want gentoo ;) [07:31] <[z]imba> fres: exactly but i dont wana switch [07:31] <[z]imba> fred: [07:31] btw, gentoo's wiki advise(s|d) against building everything with -O3 [07:31] so don't, really ;) [07:31] <[z]imba> slackware is my baby [07:32] <[z]imba> i was any way having plans to recompile entire slackware with required packages 4 nxt releaze [07:33] <[z]imba> just asked you're suggestions [07:33] you will not gain much for entire slack [07:33] <[z]imba> Lord_Khelben: not the entire one , only what i requre:) [07:33] e.g what benefit would a i686 ls have over a i486 one [07:33] if an app uses mmx,sse etc then it would benefit [07:34] i686 vs i486 none [07:34] <[z]imba> u mean like mplayer [07:34] i686 only adds cmov [07:34] samac (n=samac@host86-168-4-215.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [07:34] Amaradecay_Uxtay's advise is the best i guess [07:34] samac (n=samac@host86-168-4-215.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:34] i686 doesn't even add mmx [07:34] multimedia apps would benefit [07:34] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [07:34] <[z]imba> hmm . got that !! [07:34] samac (n=samac@host86-168-4-215.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [07:35] lex (n=lex@pc-129-95-74-200.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Saliendo" [07:35] some packages also detect stuff [07:35] e.g slackware-current mplayer is built for i486 but autodetects the cpu in runtime [07:35] damn my head feels heavy today :p [07:36] <[z]imba> Lord_Khelben: thats good to hear [07:36] not as fast as specifying your own flags [07:36] it does a decent job though ;) [07:36] benjsh (n=james@95.209.228.179.bredband.3.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:36] I remember some comments about autodetecting cpu at runtime for mplayer, that was not advised [07:36] nille_: how bad? [07:36] hi [07:36] hi, i got a laptop with Vista / slack 12.1 and lilo boot manager. I am tired of rebooting all the time to get to linux. Can I just install vmware in vista and pull up the linux drive without any problems? [07:36] <[z]imba> that means gentoo !! is doing bad !! with all there recompile [07:37] not bad, just not worth redoing a binary distro [07:37] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:37] <[z]imba> benjsh: u mean your linux partition? [07:37] time put in != outcome [07:37] benjsh, you mean use the real linux partition instead of a virtual drive ? [07:37] MLanden very bad now i'm trying to remember what i did last night [07:37] benjsh: http://www.fs-driver.org/ [07:38] hai thar [07:38] nille_: you too aye? [07:38] hey frullet [07:38] nille_: OUCH...lol [07:38] compl3x: whats up [07:38] frullet: not much , chillin, you? [07:38] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:38] my linux is already installed [07:38] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:38] why did i drink so much WHY? [07:38] on this laptop [07:38] but i am tired of rebooting [07:39] so what can I do? [07:39] compl3x: heh, not alot kicking back [07:39] frullet: hate to be a pain - did you ever sort that sed out for me? :) [07:39] I know virtualbox can use a true partition instead of a a virtual disk, I guess vmware can too [07:39] compl3x: that i didnt, i was actually writing a perl script for it which i will finish in a few ;) [07:40] frullet: awesome :) thankyou [07:40] CtrlAltCa (n=kvirc@host4-237-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:40] Action: MLanden hands two alka-seltzers to nille_ and a tall glass of water [07:41] thats now hangover cure. [07:41] no* [07:41] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:41] water - then orange juice then a smoke [07:41] I haven't drunk anything in ten days, can I haz b33r ? [07:41] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left ##slackware ("Burn it with fire~~~"). [07:41] compl3x, smoking is baaaaad ! [07:42] MLanden thanls :) [07:42] Amaradecay_Uxtay: .. I know. [07:42] s/thanls/thanks [07:42] nille_: np [07:46] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: "Leaving" [07:47] samac (n=samac@host86-168-4-215.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [07:47] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.186) joined ##slackware. [07:49] JosephK (n=Light@238.sub-70-211-122.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:50] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.1.15) joined ##slackware. [07:51] so must i use vmware or virtualbox [07:51] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.88.12) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:52] virtualbox < [07:52] virtualbox <3 [07:52] can i just install virtualbox in vista and then load the already installed linux partition without any problems? [07:53] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.94.140) joined ##slackware. [07:54] benjsh: do you use the slackware kernel ? [07:54] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:57] the slackware is already installed [07:57] with default kernels etc.. [07:57] i just want to be able to load it from vista [07:57] without rebooting [07:57] yes, i asked it because you may had compiled a custom kernel [07:58] with the default slack kernel i guess it will work [07:58] you might need to install the linux additions and change the xorg.conf (if you have one) [07:59] yeah [07:59] benjsh, check the documentation for virtualbox, it's perfectly doable but you'd better read the doc still [07:59] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:59] but if i installer the virtual box in vista and start to load slackware install then it cant break anything [07:59] so next time i reboot and select slackware in lilo everything will be fine? [07:59] yes [08:01] sun that made the virtualbox? [08:01] i think it was called inotek or something then sun bought it [08:02] ah [08:02] does vmware cost [08:02] or can i do the same with a version of vmware? [08:02] or better stick to virtualbox [08:02] i think vmware has 30day evaluation, i am not sure [08:02] i recommend you to try virtualbox first [08:02] I gave up trying to figure the licensing of vmware products, too... complicated [08:02] credo (n=36th@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [08:03] yeah vmware seems very confusing [08:03] virtualbox is 15mb vmware is 200-300mb, virtualbox is free and it is less intrusive [08:03] is it the vmware player i would need [08:03] on linux virtualbox installs everything in /opt/virtualbox and 2 scripts in /etc/rc.d last time i installed vmware it installed hundreds of files everywhere [08:04] you could do that with player but you'd need to create a virtual machine setting (some web-based tools do that) [08:04] or iirc, vmware server is free (and workstation isn't) [08:04] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-194-127.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:04] and vbox is really cleaner than vmware :) [08:05] oki [08:05] thanks [08:05] for advice [08:07] compl3x: you wanted the first occurance of Lord_Khelben: if you install vbox from slackbuilds it's a bit tighter integrated into the system [08:14] james___ (n=james@95.209.228.179.bredband.3.dk) joined ##slackware. [08:14] so in virtualbox i just installed it in vista how do I load the already installed linux drive on the unit? [08:14] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:15] Nick change: james___ -> benjsh2 [08:15] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:15] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:15] benjsh2: virtualbox is not able to run a system from a real harddisk partition [08:16] benjsh2: I'm afraid, for using Slackware inside virtualbox you have to install it inside a virtual machine [08:16] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:17] :( [08:17] can i do it with vmware then [08:17] because i got a laptop where both systems are already installed [08:17] and i want to pull up linux from the vista partition [08:17] but i dont want to reinstall everything again [08:18] anigma (n=anigma@232.80-203-68.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [08:18] benjsh2: I *think* vmware does support it, but someone else would need to confirm this [08:18] anigma (n=anigma@232.80-203-68.nextgentel.com) left ##slackware. [08:18] martian (n=xtd8865@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [08:19] never played with vmware [08:19] pprkut, it can :) [08:19] benjsh2: still, you would not need to reinstall everything, as there is no need to touch the already installed systems [08:20] Amaradecay_Uxtay: ok, thx :) [08:20] I tried and nearly succeeded, the only thing that stopped me from doing that was that I couldn't *emulate* 64bit systems =/ [08:21] (so it booted the system, and failed ='( ) [08:21] sorry i was away. pprkut doesn't virtualbox support partitions ? [08:21] there is a section in the manual that is about raw partitions [08:21] the how-to is hidden somewhere in the usermanual : http://www.virtualbox.org/download/UserManual.pdf [08:21] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:22] does it support partitions? [08:23] Lord_Khelben: you are right, that is possible. However, this is storage support only. That system should *never* be booted outside the vm [08:23] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-9-87.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:24] can i ghost or g4l the partition and load it ? [08:28] benjsh (n=james@95.209.228.179.bredband.3.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:28] frullet: sorry was afk [08:28] frullet: That picks up a few links but not the ones I want - [08:29] compl3x: What about lynx? [08:29] frullet: should do alright for the moment - thankyou [= [08:29] MLanden: what about it? [08:29] compl3x: no worries mate [08:30] I really should learn perl [08:31] polatov (n=polatov@89.218.152.66) joined ##slackware. [08:31] compl3x: Parsing links,right? [08:31] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:32] MLanden: parsing a page to collect links on it [08:33] compl3x: lynx can do it but with limitations,the perl scripting would be easier [08:33] MLanden: you can do it with lynx? - :o [08:33] Blaguvest (n=chatzill@c-28a072d5.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:37] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [08:38] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:38] anyway laters guys - frullet cheers mate, I owe you one [08:38] compl3x: compl3x no worries, take it easy [08:38] frullet: and you [08:38] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "leaving" [08:38] there is now slackware 64 bit! :O this is amazing! [08:39] (yes i know about slamd64, don't bother educating me) [08:39] TwinReverb: what about bluewhite64 or sflack? :p [08:39] Action: fred hides [08:40] Action: TwinReverb finds fred [08:40] Welcome... to my little home. [08:40] there's got to be a story here, fill us in fred [08:40] did patrick talk to you prior to putting out x86-64 slack? [08:40] When there's something to say, I'll say it [08:40] 8-( [08:41] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [08:41] not trying to stir anything up, just asking because i just went to slackware.org/changelogs and was like :O [08:41] i'd put a ":O" on the end of my nickname if i could [08:41] this is like the biggest thing since kernel 2.6.x was included with slackware in stable (not /testing) [08:42] ok fine, i'll dd if=/dev/excitement of=/dev/null [08:42] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.43.157) joined ##slackware. [08:44] exbios__ (n=ada@201.110.127.129) joined ##slackware. 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[08:59] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:59] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [08:59] hi Lord_Khelben, LnxSlick, frullet:) [08:59] Mornin', hitest..Greetings from eastern Virginia [09:00] morning MLanden:) [09:00] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: "Leaving" [09:00] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.19.47) joined ##slackware. [09:00] rworkman, thanks for the updates to openoffice and xfce4-power-manager [09:00] sorry mis-spelled your name, LnxSlck [09:01] need more coffee [09:01] hitest, no problem friend [09:01] hitest: How's the weather? 'bout 18C here [09:01] tooly (n=tooly@e178174178.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware. [09:01] fred, /msg [09:01] LnxSlck: :) [09:01] :) [09:02] MLanden: it is overcast and cool here, 7 C. [09:02] wow so i could potentially have two operating development machines when my friend gives me back my laptop ... one running slackware64-current and one running slackware-current [09:02] TwinReverb, yeap [09:03] i wonder if people will evolve to slackware64 [09:03] giving up the slackware32 [09:03] i don't evolve to an OS, i create a place for it [09:03] only it takes me less than 6 days :) [09:03] just the ones that belive in evolution, the rest will wait for their god to create it [09:03] lol [09:03] (unless it's Gentoo ... 8-( ) [09:04] i say "let there be ____" and then insert the install media :) [09:04] tooly1 (n=theo@e178174178.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:04] I will be moving to Slackware64, but, I also have older hardware so the Pllls will be running Slackware 13.0 32 bit:) [09:04] xfce [09:04] TwinReverb: doh! [09:04] how is flash in 64? pretty usable [09:04] or does it still need 32libs? [09:04] i will have my 32bit laptop and my 64bit laptop [09:05] i will move to slack64 when i get the hardware to support it, hopefully my brother builds a new system and gives me his old amd64 system [09:05] flash works on 64bit [09:05] yay [09:05] Amaradecay_Uxtay, no need to vodoo or any special sacrifice? [09:05] lol [09:05] slamd64 had no problems. upstream was where the problems lied. [09:05] and lied they did [09:06] LnxSlck, now that you mention that, it works best if you send me a 1000Ĵ check (euros, not dollars !) [09:06] er lay 8-S [09:06] Amaradecay_Uxtay, well we use euros over here [09:06] lol [09:06] LnxSlck, oh, perfect :) [09:06] lol [09:06] the problems get laid, but i don't 8-( lol [09:06] ha [09:06] TwinReverb: double-DOH! [09:06] TwinReverb, you need to go to brazil [09:06] everyone gets laid there [09:07] specially if you're from another country [09:07] i bet you there's got to be one person in brazil that don't get laid [09:07] especially if you live there [09:07] there will be if you go :) [09:07] lol [09:07] LnxSlck: it's an alpha/beta of flash player for 64-bit linux [09:07] if i go i'll bring my wife so i'll get laid :P [09:07] it works better than the 32-bit "stable" under nspluginwrapper. [09:07] fred, right [09:07] fred: ty [09:08] hitest: hmm? [09:08] fred: thanks for the message about flash:) [09:09] ah [09:09] i wonder if any official statistics were ever done to graph the frequency and percentage of the population of nations fornication habits [09:09] Hulu shorts: "How to grow grass in someone'skeyboard" [09:10] Pig_Pen, i'm more interested in a research project to document how many idiots who don't own health insurance either own an iPod or a computer or both [09:11] i'd title it "people who need to be b17(h-slapped [09:11] i am sure there are a few [09:13] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [09:15] Action: thrice` doesn't see how health insurance is related to an ipod [09:15] it's not, but i fear too many people in America own too much electronics and not enough health insurance [09:16] hope they put some good tunes on their iPods, they'll be listening to them as they die of curable diseases [09:16] or as we pay for them to be cured [09:16] well, I've heard health insurance for unemployed is extremely expensive [09:16] I wouldn't be surprised at all [09:17] benjsh2 (n=james@95.209.228.179.bredband.3.dk) left irc: [09:17] they enjoy the good tunes on their ipods while going to cuba for free healthcare [09:18] Action: TwinReverb puts holes in their boats [09:18] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [09:19] stillborn (n=stillbor@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff71c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:19] i am going to die young and leave a beautiful corpse behind [09:21] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-9-87.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [09:21] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:21] Pig_Pen: Don't let the zombies in the room hear you...:D [09:22] it will be dinner time for the zombies [09:22] maybe i should stop expecting children to act mature, i dunno :( [09:22] if there are zombies in the room, it's already dinner time [09:32] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [09:32] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [09:34] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [09:35] Nick change: [z]imba -> [a]kber [09:35] Morning all [09:35] good afternoon [09:35] Mornin', agentc0re [09:36] mornin [09:36] Afternoon, LnxSlck [09:36] well.. it's like 3:30pm here but.. i just woke [09:36] up [09:36] <[a]kber> Good Evening here its 19:00 hrs [09:36] I can't believe i am up at 7:30 on a saturday morning. [09:36] At least it's for a good cause. [09:36] <[a]kber> here its sunday night 19:00hrs [09:37] Afternoon, tewmten [09:37] i been getting up early for so long that i could not sleep in late if my life depended on it [09:37] <[a]kber> hello Pig_Pen !! [09:37] Evenin', [a]kber [09:37] hi [09:38] <[a]kber> MLanden: hi .. Evenin [09:38] <[a]kber> Its nice to see soo much diversity and Slackware unity [09:38] Nick change: [a]kber -> [z]imba [09:39] agentc0re: how'd the bottling go? [09:39] :D [09:39] don't drink the profits! [09:39] BP{k}: dont you ever sleep? :P [09:39] macavity: sleep? what is this sleep you speak off? [09:40] BP{k}: Good, got one of the batches bottled. Wednesday i'll crack one open to see if carbonation is done enough for me to continue to drink :) [09:40] thrice`: don't see it as drinking the profits, instead see it as quality assurance ;) [09:40] Bottling wasn't as hard as i thought it was going to be either. [09:40] BP{k}: aka "maintanance related downtime" [09:40] BP{k}: :) [09:40] we have a brewery about an hour south of here [09:41] if you bottle beer for an hour for them, you get a free six pack. is it worth it? [09:41] agentc0re: real homebrew, or one of these "Mr Beer" sets? [09:41] agentc0re: ale or lager? [09:41] it doesn't bring a reality to "will work for beer," though [09:41] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:41] macavity: negative. Systems are within operational parameters. ;) [09:42] MLanden: Ale. Lager will take months to brew and i'd need to keep it really cold. I'm going to do a Lager in the winter so i can just let it sit in the garage. [09:42] thrice`: get real.. who on earth would work an hour for a six pack? even a crappy job could by you three six packs an hour [09:42] *buy [09:42] macavity: Real homebrew. I used extract but real hops and boiling and all that goodness. [09:42] agentc0re: nice [09:42] sweet,agentc0re [09:42] well, their six-packs are about $10 [09:42] macavity: I am going to be steeping/mashing Grain for my next one. [09:43] agentc0re: you might as well just go for real moon shine right away :P [09:44] Hahah. [09:44] The question is WHAT do you get for $10 against what YOU can make for $10 to $15 [09:44] Brewing is pretty fun though. It's cool to be able to take a bunch of nothing and turn it into something that you drink on a daily basis. :D [09:44] yes, definitely. it's a gimmicky thing :) [09:45] thrice`: Brewing? Or the kits? [09:45] agentc0re: i would be a wee bit carefull about that "on a daily basis" [09:45] agentc0re: noo, sorry. I was commenting that a place here lets you take a six pack home, if you bottle beer for them for an hour [09:46] macavity: Eh, a few beers a day are okay. And it's not really a daily basis. That sounded worse than what i was intending it sound. [09:46] thrice`: ok, as a fun thing to do for an hour + get tipsy afterwards i can see the point [09:46] thrice`: Oh, lol. That's lame. hahah. Good for the hobo's though. [09:46] hey, good point ;) [09:47] agentc0re: trust me, 3-4 beers a day on a real daily basis for 4 weeks in a row is a fun experience [09:47] 6 pack = $6. Some 6 packs are less and you might not even technically be making minimum wage. [09:47] agentc0re: ... when you deside to stop doing it :P [09:47] agentc0re: no, this is a microbrew. they sell for $10 or so [09:47] macavity: HAHAH. [09:47] Like a post I read recently...Better thrill than swill [09:47] thrice`: Ah, Well maybe not so bad after all. [09:48] agentc0re: i am not kidding you.. i've tried it [09:48] yikes! I do about a six pack a week, typically [09:48] agentc0re: it is not the amount of alcohol, but the consistantcy and duration [09:49] macavity: I've done drinking escapades like that but not for that long. Just a couple of days. Wake, drink, hit on girls, passout, wake drink, go to casino, hit on girls, passout... etc etc. [09:50] was like a 4 day venture at vegas. [09:50] agentc0re: you're doing it wrong ;) [09:50] agentc0re: the girls are suppose to pass out, not you ;) [09:50] \o/ [09:50] BP{k}: Ya i know. I always ended up drinking too much and screwing myself. [09:50] agentc0re: i've read that 21 days is enough to cause noticable symptoms of withdrawal, even if the everage ammount was only 4 shots/beers a day [09:51] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:51] But now that it's been years since those days, i look at as i saved my self from some STI or HIV/AIDS. [09:51] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl26-100.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [09:51] lol.. yeah, you probably did [09:52] .. or paying 7x child support :P [09:52] At least i was the one to always bring back the funny stories about how everyone got laid but me because... I passed out... or something was wrong with the girl that ended up with me and didn't want to "do it"... oh well. [09:52] i know a guy how pays 5x child support.. to 5 different women [09:52] how dense can one guy be all alone? :P [09:53] Well gotta go shower and leave for the skydive class. It'll be my first jump without tandom but an instructor will still be in the air with me. [09:53] NICE [09:53] good luck,agentc0re [09:54] Thanks MLanden! :) It's been a blast so far. [09:54] agentc0re: i envy you [09:54] agentc0re: malicious email inbound :P [09:54] macavity: You should totally just go an jump at least once! [09:54] pics, of course ;) [09:54] agentc0re: i am as broke as a toothpick on a highway :-/ [09:54] macavity: agentc0re at learnix dot net :P [09:55] macavity: Maybe if you put some weight on you wouldn't be a toothpick :P [09:55] agentc0re: just hope that chute opens ;) [09:55] agentc0re: have fun. safe landings :) [09:55] frullet: if it doesnt he can come back on monday for a full refund [09:55] thrice`: I wish i could do more pics.. I'll post the ones from my first jump up though when i get back. If you have facebook, their on there... Wait i'll just set it up so anyone can look at them. one sec. [09:56] Action: BP{k} starts to hum "blood on the risers" [09:56] macavity: how can he lose? [09:57] FIrst jump pictures. I still need to conver the dvd to avi or something so i can upload to the webs. http://tinyurl.com/ortehl [09:57] fgdfas (n=dfgdf@91-114-230-22.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: "Leaving" [09:59] that looks awesome [09:59] Karlitoo (n=yeah@77.46.244.4) joined ##slackware. [09:59] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [09:59] hi all [09:59] c0r3 (n=enigma@222.172.221.99) joined ##slackware. [10:00] nice :D [10:00] I have a lil q I have a nikon coolpix and i need to mount it so that I can get the pics, it does not recognize it as a sata drive [10:01] Karlitoo: When you mount it,how does your computer see it? [10:01] how can I go about extracting the picks [10:01] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:01] mount: usb already mounted or /proc/bus/usb [10:01] kokoko1 (n=askar@119.153.54.122) joined ##slackware. [10:02] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:02] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:03] Karlitoo: which model? [10:03] it is only accessible by direct communication over the USB bus [10:03] it is L16 coolpix [10:03] Firefishe (n=kvirc@12.53.38.63) joined ##slackware. [10:03] hello [10:04] hi there [10:04] how to disable poweroff button? [10:04] c0r3: open case, disable it? [10:04] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062167174.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:04] pull the pin :) [10:05] BP{k}: whenever poweroff pressed, my system shutdown [10:05] c0r3: then don't press it. [10:05] BP{k}: it's public place, someone may press it by mistake [10:06] c0r3: well open the case and pull the sucker out [10:06] frullet: disable it in linux configuration [10:06] a quick and dirty would be "chmod -x /etc/acpi/acpi_handler.sh" [10:06] Karlitoo: give me a sec..checking that camera's manual [10:07] ty [10:07] or better, comment out the "/sbin/init" line in /etc/acpi/acpi_handler.sh" [10:08] I think that should do it [10:08] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:09] can i? [10:10] you can not disable the poweroff or reset button from any OS, you got to unplug it from the mother board [10:10] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:10] Pig_Pen: in Windows Vista, i can set action for poweroff button [10:10] are you using vista? [10:11] Pig_Pen: slackware of course [10:11] put down the crack pipe [10:11] did you even try my recommendation? [10:11] thrice`: let me try [10:11] I think the acpi event handles the momentary power-button press. I don't think you'll be able to disable the long-reset [10:12] if you press the power button for more than 3 secs tb MB shutdown... that isnt OS controled [10:13] the bios MAY have a option to disable/change that [10:13] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left ##slackware ("Burn it with fire~~~"). [10:13] acpi would be the thing to handle any software-related shutdowns, though [10:14] thrice`: put a '#' before 'power) /sbin/init 0'? [10:15] or temporarily disable it with "chmod -x /etc/acpi/acpi_handler.sh" [10:15] if that works, you can comment afterwards [10:15] Karlitoo: you might be able to transfer the pictures from your camera using gphoto2 [10:15] joannis (n=chatzill@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) joined ##slackware. [10:15] oh ok ty :) [10:15] I shall start compiling [10:16] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@173.4.99.215) joined ##slackware. [10:16] thrice`: the script looks strange, no '(' but all ')' [10:17] what you need is one of those NORAD-style switches with a locked cage over it, so you need a key to open the cage before you can press the button... [10:17] Karlitoo: also check with your camera's manual on a way to transfer to pc..the manual doesn't say if it's software driver or if you can see the camera as a Universal Mass Storage device [10:18] ty very much [10:18] :) [10:18] Karlitoo: np [10:19] Karlitoo (n=yeah@77.46.244.4) left irc: "Leaving" [10:19] thrice`: i put a '#' before that line, and now the script has syntax error [10:19] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:19] pablo (n=pablo@host75.190-139-57.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:19] c0r3: try just disabling the script with "chmod -x /etc/acpi/acpi_handler.sh" [10:20] c0r3: you need to also comment out the following line (the one that says ";;") [10:21] thrice`: thanks, now poweroff button is disabled [10:21] thrice`: i'll look into bash script :) [10:22] thrice`: never touched script files before btw [10:22] yeh, you can map ANY action to the power button (as long isnt pressed for long time :) [10:22] you can chnage the /sbin/init to /bin/true [10:22] c0r3: sure :) acpi is the thing that handles events + actions. like if I close my laptop's lid, it puts it to sleep [10:24] yeah, like "play /usr/local/audio/butthead-no_way_buttmunch.wav" [10:24] i did not know acpi managed the powerbutton like that, i just thought it did the sleep and regualate powersaving stuff [10:25] (juvenile, but I think it's funny for the computer to say "No way, buttmunch!" if someone tries to press the power button...) [10:25] Urchlay: or let it scream...:D [10:26] Urchlay: done, it's no problem now :) [10:26] thanks you guys [10:26] sure :) [10:27] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [10:28] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-148-232.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:29] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-222-45.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:29] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:29] samac (n=samac@host86-168-4-215.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [10:29] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:30] ALSA: underrun, at least 0ms. [10:30] kevin01123 (n=quassel@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:30] good thing it wasn't a negative amount of time, I suppose... [10:30] kevin01123 (n=quassel@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:34] true [10:34] smed_ (n=smed@ool-435058a9.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [10:34] Firefishe (n=kvirc@12.53.38.63) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [10:35] dunno what causes that, it's not related to CPU load [10:35] there's usually an audible "skip" in the audio when it happens [10:35] kevin01123 (n=quassel@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:36] are you using jack? [10:36] probably just crappy/flaky onboard audio hardware, no driver can make it not suck [10:36] nope [10:36] plain ol' ALSA, using mpg123 to listen to mp3s [10:36] i had a problem similar to that with jack. i just mounted /tmp in ramdisk, problem almost gone [10:37] Urchlay: hopefully it's not picking up interference from the mobo [10:37] (actually I suppose mpg123 isn't really mpg123 anymore, it's mpg321 in disguise...) [10:37] MLanden: if that were the case, I'd expect to hear fuzz/static, not dropouts [10:37] right [10:37] kevin01123_ (n=quassel@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:38] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: "Leaving" [10:38] I said it's unrelated to CPU load... that's not entirely true: it does happen more often when I'm loaded, but it'll happen some even when nothing else is going on [10:39] mine did it really bad when compiling [10:39] (eh, when the CPU is loaded... not when I'm loaded :) [10:39] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [10:40] manwichmakeameal: nice nick [10:40] dammit, my old sparcstation 10 40MHz running Solaris 2.6 could play mp3s with no dropouts... currently using something 50x the CPU speed, and I get dropouts [10:40] thanks [10:41] betcha it's a crappy chip, I never had this problem with my SB live PCI card [10:42] Urchlay: What's the chip? [10:43] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.33) joined ##slackware. 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[10:52] kevin01123 (n=quassel@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:53] [z]imba: minor annoyances with audio dropouts [10:53] it's been doing it for years though, nothing new [10:53] <[z]imba> u mean with mplayer ,used with AC97 [10:54] <[z]imba> i hav alsa faced the same problem [10:54] kokoko1 (n=askar@119.153.54.122) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:54] with mpg123 [10:54] <[z]imba> Urchlay: song / media get suck in between [10:54] actually that's a fair point: I've never noticed it happening in mplayer [10:54] <[z]imba> i havnt noticed this b4 , but this is first time in slackware [10:55] <[z]imba> Urchlay: are you using a custom kernel? [10:55] nope [10:55] laziness... [10:55] <[z]imba> Well , not idea whats going oon, funny part is i havn't notice it b4 [10:55] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [10:55] <[z]imba> Urchlay: :) [10:55] <[z]imba> i feel there was no such problem [10:56] Urchlay: On your bios,what does it allow you to control with the VIA? [10:56] <[z]imba> Urchlay: did you play any movie file !! [10:56] ok, gonna try the real mpg123 [10:56] [z]imba: plenty of movies and DVDs [10:56] maybe it really is a problem with mpg321 [10:56] <[z]imba> where is sound jurking [10:56] in mpg321 [10:56] <[z]imba> Urchlay: i faced the same problem ur talking abt [10:56] <[z]imba> thats y i asked !! [10:57] and only maybe once every 15-20 minutes [10:57] <[z]imba> :) [10:57] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:57] /usr/bin/mpg123 is actually a symlink to mpg321 [10:57] I just installed the real mpg123, let's see if it has the same problem [10:58] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-181-98-169.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:58] <[z]imba> MLanden: mine is pheonix bios , it only allows you to disable sound card [10:58] [z]imba: OK [10:58] MLanden: I have no idea what the bios lets me do with the sound card, haven't looked at it in ages [10:58] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:59] Karlitoo (n=yeah@77.46.244.4) joined ##slackware. [10:59] hi all [10:59] not in the mood to reboot right now & find out, either [10:59] <[z]imba> MLanden: does dma has to do smthing with sound card ? [10:59] <[z]imba> i guess so [10:59] hmmm. mpg321 uses libao for audio output [11:00] know with some bios settings, you can decrease or increase memory cache to the sound [11:00] actual mpg123 doesn't (it links with libasound) [11:00] <[z]imba> ooh!! [11:01] mpg123 itself, you can tell it how much cache to use [11:01] lee_ (n=_lee__@ip70-191-236-69.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:02] superGear (i=1000@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:03] any reason, anyone can think of, why my linux box which shares my internet connection via a router is no longer using the DNS service from the IP - my xp desktop resolves names fine,but the slackware box doesn't. [11:03] me again with a q, this is my problem, I have a Kodak EasyShare C633 and a Coolpix L16, I do not have a cable for the EasyShare C633 and I trnsfered the SD card to the Coolpix L16 I managed to extract the photos with gphoto2 but it does not see the videos made with the EasyShare C633 [11:03] is there any way for me to extract the vids [11:03] lee_: check your /etc/resolv.conf and see if it change [11:03] <[z]imba> lee_: copy the dns details from xp to /etc/resolv.conf [11:04] samac (n=samac@host86-168-4-215.range86-168.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:04] Karlitoo: wb [11:04] looking now .. thanks guys [11:04] XD hi MLanden [11:04] <[z]imba> lee_ [11:05] <[z]imba> hope you knw the syntax to the entry [11:05] hm, well, mpg123 didn't drop out yet... but mpg321 might play 10 songs and have one dropout, so it's not conclusive [11:05] nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx right? [11:05] <[z]imba> nameserver ip [11:05] <[z]imba> yes [11:05] thanks. [11:05] Urchlay: good luck [11:05] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.82.101) joined ##slackware. [11:05] search # optional [11:06] what is the quickest way to find dns info from the xp box .. I haven't done that in years. [11:06] "You load 16 tons and what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt..." [11:06] used ipconfig [11:06] Urchlay: you're dating yourself :) [11:06] <[z]imba> lee_ network properties will also do [11:06] alisonken1home: actually I don't think I ever heard that song before, until last week [11:06] <[z]imba> lee_: u can alos use openDNS [11:07] band I'm playing with is covering it [11:07] Urchlay: I've heard it - and I'm old enough to remember where it came from [11:07] what is it, from the great depression era? worker's protest song? [11:07] lymeca (n=lymeca@dsl-74-220-76-19.dhcp.cruzio.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:07] no longer valid entry in the resolve.conf .. thanks a bunch guys! [11:08] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@77.46.191.129) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:08] 'St Peter don't you call me, cause I can't go. I owe my soul to the company store' IIRC Jimmey Dean (as in sausage) sang it waaaay back when [11:08] <[z]imba> :) [11:08] apparently it's been re-re-rerecorded 10-15 times by different bands. wiki says it's originally by merle travis, from 1946 [11:09] (so not great depression) [11:09] Karlitoo: with gphoto2, what does your PC do with the EasyShare C633? [11:09] Jimmy Dean must have re-released it in the 60's [11:09] heh, Faith No More has covered it [11:09] nothing I do not have the cable for it [11:09] that's why I transfered the sd card to the coolpix [11:09] what album did they cover it on? [11:10] "phoenix rising", which looks like a compilation/greatest-hits [11:10] lee_ (n=_lee__@ip70-191-236-69.pn.at.cox.net) left ##slackware. [11:11] Karlitoo: the only workaround may be from SD to PC and read the SD as a UMS [11:11] I've tryed to transfer the vids in windows as well but the problem is that the program for windows also recognizes the camera and the card itse;f [11:11] aha ok [11:11] I shall try [11:11] ty for the advice [11:11] :) [11:11] hmmm. Some guy claims he wrote the song in the 1930s [11:13] Urchlay: never know...might be a scratchy 78 that predates it in someone's collection [11:13] hm, somebody who already tried slackware64 alive? [11:14] phoenix rising looks like a bootleg from a show. they do 16 tons and it looks like a dk song medly [11:14] MLanden: yeah... bet my grandpa would have known [11:14] stybla: sure, there's at least a few of us in here [11:14] kinda like the Animal's claim to House Of The Rising Sun [11:14] http://www.discogs.com/Faith-No-More-Phoenix-Rising/release/1565003 [11:14] MLanden: lot of people know the Animals didn't write that though [11:14] true [11:15] stybla: im running it on my laptop that i type this from [11:15] Urchlay: well, i've downloaded iso via torrent from 09/20/05 and setup fails on me after formating and setting up partitions. [11:15] stybla: hmm, I didn't install from an iso [11:15] try using alienbob's rsync script. worked for me [11:15] any error messages you see, or does it just freeze up or what? [11:16] hrmmmm grrrrr [11:16] tecky: down boy! heel! [11:16] fails at: /usr/lib/setup/SeTpartitions: line 13: can't create /var/log/setup/tmp/tempscript [11:16] Urchlay: [11:16] no i gotta get dressed and stuff and go out :\ [11:16] < detached > [11:17] stybla: hm. Who made this iso, do you know? [11:17] Urchlay: well, may be iso needs some tunning :) [11:17] hosl (n=LINUX@189.73.45.160) joined ##slackware. [11:18] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.186) left irc: [11:18] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:18] Urchlay: doesn't say. [11:19] kevin01123_ (n=quassel@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:19] stybla: try making an iso with alienBOB's script: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/mirror-slackware-current.sh [11:19] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:20] c0r3 (n=enigma@222.172.221.99) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:20] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A75969.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:20] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Nick collision from services. [11:20] greetings [11:20] Urchlay: i doubt somebody did work on it's own, so it was probably done that way. well, i'll try - is there something else i can? i doubt it :P [11:20] hosl (n=LINUX@189.73.45.160) left ##slackware. [11:21] y0, slackytude [11:21] j0z (n=LINUX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [11:21] I seriously wouldn't trust some dodgy iso image, especially if the author doesn't even think it's good enough to put his name on it... [11:21] slackytude: hallo. [11:21] y0 MLanden ^-^ [11:21] heya stybla [11:21] Urchlay: it's new machine, so - i'm not worried. i want to test and so on. [11:22] you could try the USB stick mini-image... it'll boot you to the setup menu, then you do the install over the network [11:22] ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/usb-and-pxe-installers/ [11:22] <[z]imba> [subject > slackbuild script python] is there any way i can get slackbuilds script for python-2.6.2 [11:23] yeah, but my link is not that wide and in case of fubar, i'd have to redownload and etc. iso is more comfy for me. but it came to my mind too, yes. [11:23] I have no idea if that works or not, I haven't tried it... [11:23] <[z]imba> i cant find it in slackbuilds.org [11:23] [z]imba: slackbuilds.org doesn't carry software that's already in slackware... and python definitely is [11:23] [z]imba, you should be able to just change the version [11:23] Urchlay, 2.5 [11:24] (though slackware 12.2 only has python 2.5... -current has 2.6, but you probly don't want to run -current just to upgrade one package) [11:24] [z]imba, that is, get the slackbuild for 2.5 and change version to 2.6 [11:24] Nuk3_ (n=awayer@201.41.252.245) joined ##slackware. [11:24] <[z]imba> sure !! ookay [11:25] Urchlay: btw thaks for ideas. [11:25] slackytude: doing it that way, is it possible to have 2.5 and 2.6 both installed? (I notice /usr/lib/python2.5 is where most of the python stuff lives...) [11:25] Urchlay, yes, they work nicely together [11:25] handy [11:26] they will look for their modules in the corresponding site-modules dir [11:26] used to do that with perl, but not using proper slackbuilds [11:26] <[z]imba> but wouldnt there be new source tree for 2.6 [11:26] err, site-packages dir [11:27] [z]imba, I dont grok that question [11:27] Nuk3_ (n=awayer@201.41.252.245) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:27] grok?!?...X_X [11:27] [z]imba: yes, you'll need the source for python-2.6 (at a guess, try python.org for that?) [11:27] oh yeah, of course [11:28] MLanden: he groks the fullness of python [11:28] MLanden, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok [11:28] shares water with it [11:28] <[z]imba> hey not that !! i mean wouldnt here we directry issues with 2.6 and 2.5 [11:28] aye [11:28] <[z]imba> i see some changes there [11:28] [z]imba, one should be in /usr/lib/python2.5 the other in /usr/lib/python2.6 [11:29] <[z]imba> slacktude: its not abt installation , its abt building !! [11:29] yah. Just make sure /usr/bin/python is a symlink to whichever one you want to use by default (probably 2.6?) [11:29] <[z]imba> slackbuild script issue [11:29] <[z]imba> within 2.6 source tree [11:29] doesn't it just do a 'make install DESTDIR=$PKG'? [11:30] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) joined ##slackware. [11:30] slackytude: gotcha..;) [11:30] <[z]imba> Urchlay: python doesnt hav an uninstall script [11:30] <[z]imba> if you do that u will face problems [11:30] [z]imba: that... appears to have nothing to do with what I said :) [11:30] upgrading python yourself is quite nasty [11:30] Nuk3_ (n=awayer@201-41-252-245.fnsce703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:30] Hermann (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:31] check out how much recompiling needs done (the changelog) for a simple upgrade [11:31] <[z]imba> Urchlay: :) [11:31] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@c-14afe055.4750957--62697410.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [11:31] Upgrading python will break many other applications - you will have to rebuild a lot [11:32] alienBOB: that's why I asked about installing 2.5 and 2.6 side-by-side [11:32] <[z]imba> hmm.. well ! [11:32] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [11:33] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:33] hrm? I usually stay with the default but I had no issues with having a 2.6 version. but which python was still 2.5 [11:34] thats is, simply calling python will still give you the 2.5 version [11:34] exbio_ (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [11:34] exbios__ (n=ada@201.110.127.129) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:35] Nuk3_ (n=awayer@201-41-252-245.fnsce703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:36] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:36] slackytude: Think was referring to 12.2 [11:37] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [11:38] or might have been 12.1 [11:38] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@c-14afe055.4750957--62697410.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [11:39] Action: slackytude shrugs [11:39] I just needed 2.6 for some windows python scripts [11:39] which was a pain in itself coz mysql for python on windows works only nice with 2.5 [11:40] if there's one thing that is SUPER DUPER FUN it's supporting windows! [11:40] especially legacy installs that are a hybrid of NT, ME, 98, XP, 2k3, Viesta and 7! [11:40] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) joined ##slackware. [11:42] wow wtf, the netbsd torrent is pretty boring. I've only managed to seed back 0.06% in 12 hours :/ [11:43] holy crap, slashdot broke a story! [11:44] eviljames: netbsd 5.0 for which arch? [11:44] no, wait, nevermind. but still! last.fm user info given to RIAA by CBS! [11:44] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [11:44] MLanden: I'm seeding i386 right now, but I'm going to get the others and seed those as well [11:45] eviljames: cool....hear ya [11:46] no multiboot iso for 5.0, either... [11:46] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-148-232.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [11:46] MLanden: you a netbsd user? [11:47] http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/23/2149255&art_pos=2 [11:47] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.1.15) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:47] no....used the hparm from time to time on some of my pdas [11:48] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: Client Quit [11:48] ah, you a last.fm user? [11:50] eviljames: who? [11:50] well, it appears my big stories of the morning are not applicable to you :P [11:51] lol [11:51] any of you guys know about the state of POSIX ACLs on different Distributions? are they enabled by default? and did you ever need them? [11:52] sorry, no. I use zfs on my file servers, so it's solaris' acl implementatino [11:52] dunno if it's even POSIX compliant or not :/ [11:52] is that still done with getfacl and setfacl? [11:53] bittin```` (i=bittin@anapnea.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:53] slackid (n=willysr@125.163.251.150) joined ##slackware. [11:53] take care,folks...good luck in all life's endeavors...:D [11:53] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-113-111.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [11:54] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-35-37.lns3.bne1.internode.on.net) left ##slackware. [11:54] slackytude: yeah, but there's other alternatives on solaris, RBAC and the like. what's the issue? [11:54] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.7.250) joined ##slackware. [11:55] slackytude: I think I might have set mine by way of zfs set acl= [11:55] eviljames, just an argument on #windows about "windows acl are better than linux" [11:55] slackytude, hahaha :p [11:56] I was pointing out that posix ACLs have been on linux for ages now, reply was that they are disabled by default [11:56] I know its enabled in slack [11:56] nope, it's enabled by default :) [11:56] listen to le grenouille. [11:56] il sait [11:57] eviljames, s/le/la/ ! :D [11:57] no! tu n'est pas un femme! [11:57] haha [11:57] s/un/une/ :D [11:57] tabernac [11:57] ca me fait chier! [11:57] oh, I thought that was "tabernacle", but I'm really not sure :) [11:58] s/ca/ça/ :) [11:58] bittin```` (i=bittin@anapnea.net) joined ##slackware. [11:58] yea, I disabled the french keyboard input by mistake. [11:58] hehe :p [11:58] slackytude, I got Lesbian Vampire Killers ;p [11:58] I was playing with it the other day after setting utf8 in irssi [11:59] Amaradecay_Uxtay, Camarade_Tux? [11:59] he must've been playing with the pig command [11:59] slackytude, oh, yeah :) see /usr/bin/games/pig :) [12:00] ugh, even the man page is in piglatin [12:00] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:00] eviljames, actually not me : when I connected this morning, some connectees had their nick as pig latin and they converted me :) [12:00] i want it to be useful via exec.. /exec -o pig this command is stupid. [12:00] Amaradecay_Uxtay: yea, firebird and old_fogie were up to no good when I was crashing out last night [12:00] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [12:01] eviljames, yeah ;) [12:01] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-51-132.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:02] eh? I artedstay a rendtay? [12:02] you did, sir. [12:02] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:02] Now that i know where the fountain of stupid is, time to eliminate it! [12:02] Action: eviljames draws a sword @ Urchlay [12:02] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.82.101) left irc: "Leaving" [12:03] oh no! I packed the wrong scabbard! That's not a sword, it's fresh eel! [12:03] you brung a sword to a supersoaker fight? [12:03] Unagi anyone? [12:03] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.19.47) left irc: "Leaving." [12:03] hahahaha [12:03] you win in the response department. [12:03] danillo (i=slack@201-69-121-71.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:03] look behind you, a three headed monkey! [12:03] Action: eviljames runs [12:04] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [12:04] this monkey only has 3 asses! It's completely useless to me [12:04] wwaasssuoo [12:04] up* [12:04] compl3x: dude, you interrupted a Monkey Island reference w/ a typo from a beer commercial! [12:04] compl3x: leave it with the oo at the end, it sounds like a samurai battle cry or something [12:04] haha [12:05] knowledge is power, guard it well [12:05] carry on . :p [12:05] so mpg123 also skips... it just doesn't print a warning when it does :) [12:05] spook: Is that battle cry of the NSA? i'm a marine, myself. Semper Fudge. [12:06] anyway, you can't blame me for this one: http://www.google.com/intl/xx-piglatin/ [12:06] You'd be surpriesd what I can blame people for. [12:06] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.47.214) joined ##slackware. [12:06] That whole hindenburgh thing: Totally Urchlay's fault. [12:07] if I were responsible for google, I'd have enough money to pay you not to say that... [12:07] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:07] yeah, well, nobody told me the hydrogen tanks were a no-smoking area... [12:07] who'd a thunk it? [12:08] I smoke near propain tanks all the time, i just dont light near them [12:08] Isthay ommandcay isway upidstay [12:08] y0 compl3x [12:08] sup slackytude [12:08] /exec -o echo "This command is stupid" | pig [12:08] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:09] Herman, Lesbian Vampire Killers is actually muuuuuuch more recent than I thought (2009), and it is '(Lesbian Vampire) Killers' [12:09] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:09] hey compl3x :) [12:09] Amaradecay_Uxtay, was is good? [12:09] suppose you could alias that to /pig in most clients? [12:09] Hey Camarade :p [12:09] Amaradecay_Uxtay, Im not Hermann -_- [12:09] noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ! XP [12:09] heh [12:09] slackytude, hmm, I haven't watched it much, seems ok [12:10] Estingtay, [12:10] eviljames: blood ravens chapter of the space marines, war40k [12:10] Estingtay, estingtay [12:10] Nick change: Amaradecay_Uxtay -> Camarade_Tux [12:10] yeah, that works. [12:10] :) [12:10] in irssi: /alias pig exec -o echo "$*" | pig [12:10] no pig latin [ in bed ] [12:10] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-164-37.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [12:11] Urchlay: I know if I do that ill forget about it and get confused when i type pig in a few weeks :p [12:11] only happens if you "/pig whatever" [12:11] I can type pig all day long [12:11] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:11] oh yeah good point [12:11] esttay [12:12] yepay, itway orkedway [12:12] haha how useless [12:12] haha, have you looked at "man pig"? [12:12] *looks* [12:12] I did [12:12] and it shocked me [12:12] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:12] no, not "manbearpig"... [12:12] 1993 lol [12:12] morning [12:13] nix_chix0r [12:13] morning [12:13] morning nix_chix0r [12:13] hate me, do it and do it again. [12:13] there's an old story about someone writing a roman numeral converter, with a man page in Latin [12:13] I really wish I could find that man page... [12:14] hai Urchlay compl3x slackytude :P [12:14] superGear: taste me, my friend. [12:14] extra geek points for that [12:14] eviljames, do you taste like cookies? [12:14] that dude probably never saw female genitalia since birth [12:14] Action: pi31415 sighs [12:14] it's not geeky to never see women. [12:15] Those guys are the Magic: The Gathering players. [12:15] slackytude: well this was pre-internet... I'm sure he's seen plenty of pr0n these days, whoever he is [12:15] hey nix_chix0r [12:15] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [12:15] true geek/nerd/etc do penetration testing all the time! [12:15] heh [12:15] eviljames, but you only test, you don't actually penetrate -_- [12:15] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.233.162) joined ##slackware. [12:15] nix_chix0r: no. more like tobacco and shame. [12:15] eviljames: Magic the Gathering is for people who want to be geeks, but can't get it together enough to learn to play D&D [12:15] sup Camarade_Tux [12:16] hhaha [12:16] Action: slackytude used to play D&D [12:16] Camarade_Tux: you have to penetrate repeatedly in order to make sure everything is safe. [12:16] eviljames, omnom [12:16] shame tastes spicy [12:16] slackytude: I still would, if there were anyone to play with these days [12:16] Camarade_Tux: daily, even hourly "testing" may be required. repeat as neccessary. [12:16] taste you, eviljames? [12:16] Urchlay, agreed [12:16] Action: eviljames rolls a D20 [12:16] eviljames, haha, you're really restless ;p [12:16] where the fuck is my old navy order i ordered it on the 14th of this month and it says its shipped but the tracking number is pending still [12:16] in fact last time I plated was probably in 2006, lot of fun [12:17] uh, cant remeber last time. ages ago [12:17] nix_chix0r: somehow I read "old navy order" as "pizza" [12:17] superGear: It was a take on the next line of the tune you were singin... [12:17] weirdo [12:17] not weird, just subliminally hungry I suppose [12:17] nix_chix0r: tracking number is pending sounds like old navy needs to fix their system :) [12:17] i ordered dress slacks because that's the only place i found that has petite clothes heh [12:17] that aren't old ladly like i mean [12:17] gasp, I have to pack, I'm leaving in 90 minutes [12:18] wonder if fedex ever fixed their tracking number stuff [12:18] whore [12:18] nix_chix0r: you ordered slack from old navy? [12:18] Camarade_Tux, godspeed [12:18] this distro has gone so commercial :( [12:18] Camarade_Tux, lebanon? [12:18] hahahah [12:18] nawww [12:18] slackytude, no, just two hours of train, Lyon :) [12:19] i have a 30" inseam and most pants for women are like 33+ [12:19] few years ago wrote an app that talked to their API, they'd issue tracking numbers OK, but they'd be recycled tracking numbers... if the customer clicked on less than 24 hours after placing the order, they'd get tracking info on whatever old package that tracking # used to be for [12:19] Camarade_Tux, right [12:19] since I know when I order stuff and they use UPS I get the nubmer within minutes [12:19] and I have to pack a *lot* of things [12:19] led to panicked phone calls, "Why is my package being shipped to Denmark?!?!" [12:19] Urchlay, heh, heard that before [12:19] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.233.162) left irc: Client Quit [12:20] slackytude: the "fix" was an enforced delay (don't give the tracking # link to click on unless it's been at least 24 hrs) [12:20] Urchlay: for some reason your message was just highlightedXD [12:20] compl3x: weird [12:20] compl3x, you said you highlight nick [12:20] panicked [12:20] ah yeah [12:20] :p [12:20] wow... it's way too fsckin bright outside to use my laptop on the balcony :( [12:21] you highlight the literal word "nick"? Whatever for? [12:21] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:21] Urchlay: didn't know I even did it , must of did it by accident when setting up irssi [12:22] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.233.162) joined ##slackware. [12:23] compl3x, btw, why do you highlight 'nick' ? to see the next message which is likely '/msg NickServ ohyeseviljamesagainagainagainohyeeeeessss' ? [12:24] mine only does that if my nick /starts/ the message [12:24] compl3x: test with /set hilight_nick_matches [12:24] so it's not highlighted for "eviljames is a sucker" ? :) [12:25] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.81.21) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:25] Camarade_Tux: nope [12:25] Then again, it could be that it recognized the statement as false and ignored it... [12:25] This compuetr has a cognition engine and all... [12:25] cool, we'll insult you while you're connected but not paying attention :) [12:25] this statement is false [12:26] Action: Urchlay waits to see if eviljames dies of ping timeout... [12:26] val - : true [12:26] lol ;p [12:26] Urchlay: It resolves the paradox almost immediately just by recognizing it. [12:26] well it worked on Star Trek [12:26] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.94.64) joined ##slackware. [12:26] heh [12:26] every statment a lie [12:27] want a bumper sticker that says that [12:27] I always tell the truth [12:27] I could put that on a bumper sticker with Stephen Harper's head on it (if anyone knows canadian politics) [12:27] that one's not a paradox, just highly unlikely [12:27] yeah [12:27] Anakin- (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [12:28] Every time I think of paradoxes it makes me think of the first futurama movie. [12:28] "That's not only disgusting, it's impossible to boot!! I know a paradox when I see one!" [12:28] hm. Seen the jesus fish, and the darwin version (fish has legs), and the satan fish (horns) [12:28] what would a cthulhu fish look like? [12:29] I'm going to get a bumper sticker that says: "Could God create a stone that God cannot lift?" [12:29] Iots of tentacles [12:29] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:29] and watch people's heads explode as I drive down the street. [12:29] Could God make a chilli so hot, he couldnt eat it [12:29] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/Cthulhu_and_R'lyeh.jpg [12:29] even better [12:29] sure but Chuck Norris will still be able to eat it [12:29] previous owner of my car had one of the jesus fish on the back, it's gone now but the outline is still visible [12:29] superGear, 404 [12:29] Camarade_Tux: Paradox resolved! [12:29] not 404 for me [12:30] Action: superGear shrugs [12:30] not 404 for me either [12:30] worx for me [12:30] Superbaloo, why'd you post a picture of sarah palin's vajayjay ? [12:30] polatov (n=polatov@89.218.152.66) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:30] bwahaha [12:30] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:31] Superbaloo, yeah how dare you [12:31] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [12:31] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:31] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:32] eww [12:33] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-181-98-169.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [12:36] Action: Camarade_Tux watches 'Man vs. Wild' instead of packing [12:36] Camarade_Tux: good shout :p [12:37] what the guy eats is pretty funny :p [12:38] i think my laptop was starting to cook in the sun. [12:38] ...plastic smells funny... [12:38] nah, it can't burn as long as it runs slackware :) [12:40] I became superstitious after I walked over a DVD case, it got no damage and I'm sure it's because the DVD had slackware on it :) [12:40] (plus the DVD had stayed in the sun and no damage either on this side :) ) [12:40] heh my slackware dvd's never work :p [12:40] so I don'tuse dvd's anymore. [12:41] optical media is dead... or dying. [12:41] good riddane [12:41] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: "leaving" [12:41] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [12:42] agreed, it's all just data. [12:42] Action: compl3x feels like playing with some robotics [12:42] danillo (i=slack@201-69-121-71.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left irc: [12:42] I love audio CDs :) [12:43] Camarade_Tux: I would usually prefer flac files. The album should have a lot of time and effort put into it to warrant a cd. [12:44] eviljames, sure but I like to handle the CD in my hands too :) [12:45] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [12:46] sidmario (n=sidmario@201-92-115-31.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:46] flac files are silly [12:46] nix_chix0r, why ? because of space ? [12:46] yeah mostly [12:47] storage is cheap. [12:47] i dont feel like i should have to have a music file be so large [12:47] eviljames: thats true [12:47] i'd end up with like 2tb of music if that was the case [12:48] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.94.64) left irc: "Leaving" [12:48] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148445 [12:48] 4 of those gives you about 2 TB in RAID5 [12:48] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.7.250) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:48] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.32.203) joined ##slackware. [12:48] 1TB is like 70Ĵ now and it can hold 2500 flac albums, which means 0.28Ĵ per album [12:49] sounds ok to me [12:49] 6 of those gives you about 3.5 TB in RAID5 [12:49] and I like the quality :) [12:49] eviljames, haha, I'd like to see you travel with 6 3.5" har drives ;p [12:50] leave it at home, set up a daap server, vpn to my home network. [12:50] daap? [12:50] or some other streaming server. [12:50] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Access_Protocol [12:51] if you interact with macs, it's supposed to be pretty easy. [12:51] proprietary protocol, baaaah ! [12:51] http://savonet.sourceforge.net/ :) [12:52] did I mention savonet was written in ocaml ? :D [12:53] audio CDs are still useful, there are a lot of cars out there with CD players that aren't mp3-capable [12:53] eh, like the one I drive [12:54] a $90 deck from walmart has RCA in. [12:54] if it were old enough to have a tape deck, I'd use one of those fake-cassette adaptors [12:54] those suck [12:54] then a $10 wire from radio shack goes from the line of your mp3 player to the deck. [12:54] dude, I drive a $300 car [12:54] i ride the proletariat chariot. [12:54] hey, good name [12:55] what kinda car is it? [12:55] Action: Camarade_Tux wants a Lotus Elise [12:55] the bus. [12:55] ah [12:55] My dads got an esprite [12:55] http://i33.tinypic.com/23m0cxg.jpg [12:55] man, I guess I should do something for school tomorrow [12:55] I have a dodge daytona in storage, though. [12:55] but I dont feel like it [12:55] slackytude: the tape adaptors may suck, but so do the speakers, I can't hear the difference :( [12:55] Urchlay, heh [12:55] Action: slackytude needs a vacation [12:56] 36 days left O_o [12:56] ye gods! [12:56] slackytude, really ? oh, right, you didn't got the ten days I just had :) [12:56] in fact hm, I really ought to fix the drivers-side door speaker, it doesn't work at all [12:56] Camarade_Tux, when I come to france, I need to slap you [12:56] Camarade_Tux, you get your beer afterwards [12:56] hehe :p [12:56] there are so many people who want to slap me :) [12:57] I wonder why -_- [12:57] (including in my school because most don't get the extended week-ends I get, and without skipping (m)any classes :) ) [12:57] but Im calling in sick tomorrow [12:58] so, Ive got free from wednsday to tuesday [12:58] of course, I was busy doing stuff for school till 0:00 am mot of the time and high tempratur [12:58] eh, you actually are sick? [12:58] *sigh* [12:58] yeah, Ive got a nasty bug [12:59] I was sick and still had to finish the damn lab stuff [12:59] and the on wednsday the teach canceled it [12:59] man, was I pissed [12:59] hehe :p [12:59] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:59] annoyin [13:00] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:00] its ok now, but my throat is still feels like someone made me swallow wire [13:00] barbed wire I mean [13:00] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) joined ##slackware. [13:01] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [13:01] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:04] slackmagic, maybe you got the mexican flu [13:04] lol [13:04] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:05] maybe [13:05] but I guess I survive [13:06] when will gmail have full support for konqueror? [13:07] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [13:08] Why on earth would ##slackware know :| [13:09] fred: hello [13:09] fred, just wondering [13:09] fred: how is your tendon? [13:09] LnxSlck: In 2013.. at the stroke of midnight.. UTC time [13:09] Dominian: thought it was 2012 [13:09] they had to push it back [13:09] when slack 14 is ready [13:10] kokoko3 (n=askar@119.153.78.243) joined ##slackware. [13:11] firefox crashes a lot [13:11] WFM(tm) [13:11] konqueror it's more stable, at least on my machine [13:11] heh [13:11] kokoko2 (n=askar@119.153.54.89) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:11] opera ftw [13:11] LnxSlck, when your konqueror uses the webkit engine [13:12] CtrlAltCa (n=kvirc@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:12] slackytude, i must try opera [13:12] you can't easily suck ore than firefox [13:12] Action: slackytude nods [13:12] hm. People hate firefox *that* much? [13:12] I like FF. [13:12] Camarade_Tux: [insert applicable urmom joke here] :P [13:13] I just like opera more [13:13] firefox caused 9/11 [13:13] Urchlay, I just read #openbox on oftc, somebody complained about firefox :) [13:13] good thing about firefox are the plugins [13:14] I use firefox... it works fine. My only issues come from flash-heavy pages making my system lag [13:14] does anything else have the equivalent of adblock? [13:14] without FF, I would still be fixing computers infected with malware for a living. [13:15] I use privoxy [13:15] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:15] Urchlay, i guess they have [13:15] greetings and salutations [13:15] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [13:15] hey andarius [13:15] tooly1 (n=theo@e178174178.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [13:15] but opera has some built-in stuff as well. still privoxy rulz [13:16] chrome to rule them all [13:16] thumbs: yes to bad FF you have to rely on noscript and such now but even then that's starting to be attacked :) [13:16] opera, being commercial software, I wouldn't expect to have very good adblocking (sorta goes against their interest) [13:16] does chrome has a linux version yet? [13:16] no [13:16] Urchlay, it is good [13:16] kitche: the vector of infection is lessened as opposed to running IE all the time, still. [13:17] chrome ? -> midori :) [13:17] slackytude, i guess chromium is avaiable for linux [13:17] Urchlay, just starts empty ^-^ [13:17] midori had way to many deps [13:17] Urchlay, check out privoxy on sbo [13:17] for my liking [13:17] I don't get infected at all with IE :) but then again I run an extra layer of protection on my network sometimes [13:17] well, gtk, libsoup, icu and webkit of course [13:18] the only difference with firefox is that firefox bundles *everything* in its source which is much less sane [13:19] there is CrossOver chromium if you want Chrome on linux really but there is no real native chrome yet [13:19] true [13:19] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [13:19] hello all [13:19] hi [13:20] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:22] kitche, you tried crossover office? [13:24] slackytude: umm think I downlaoded a crossover one time not sure which one it was since I don't have the file laying around it was when it was free to download [13:24] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [13:24] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [13:24] kitche, just trying to get someone who actually used it to get MS office on linux/apple [13:26] is there a slack kde 4.2.3 channel [13:26] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:28] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [13:28] why would there be a seperate channel VampirePenguin? [13:28] Hi all! How can upgrade from slackware 12.2 to slackware-current x64 using swaret please? [13:28] I* [13:28] eh [13:29] Oh oh. [13:29] :/ [13:29] j0z: you don't [13:29] how them? [13:29] mainly bc its -current and not release 12.2 [13:29] Action: nix_chix0r feeds compl3x a quiche with spicy jimmy dean sausage [13:29] VampirePenguin: mainly due to we talk about -current this isn't like #ubuntu or #fedora [13:29] VampirePenguin, there is just ##slackware to rule them all. or try #kde [13:29] kde was no help [13:30] j0z: fresh install if your going from x86 to x86_64 [13:30] I see [13:30] thanks [13:30] i just downloaded a pirate copy of slackware but i needs a product key, can i plz haz a key? [13:30] Pig_Pen, let me dcc you one [13:30] cool ;p [13:30] lol [13:30] lol [13:31] im pretty much having the same issue i had on another distro with kmail/kgpg... its not talking right to gpg so i cant sign/encrypt emails... claws has the same issue... this has been in 4.2 and 4.2.3 [13:31] eh, there is already a noobfarm about that [13:31] i dont know what to do to correct it if i can [13:32] dang! you mean i was not first? dang dang dang [13:32] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1519 [13:32] Pig_Pen, I thought we were replaying famous noobfarm entries [13:32] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.32.203) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:33] lol [13:33] VampirePenguin, Id say your best bet is to issue a buq directly with kde [13:33] no, just popped in to my head, i might have seen it at noobfarm and chuckled at it and forgot where that idea came from [13:33] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.0.199) joined ##slackware. [13:34] slackytude: was that guy real? [13:34] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-198-243.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:34] compl3x, can't remeber, to tell the truth [13:34] he was an idiot [13:34] ll [13:34] lol* [13:35] but more in a troll like way, not in a total dumb way [13:35] who knew that Chromium had working Linux builds? how did I miss this? it's so fast, it's unbelievable [13:35] Karlitoo (n=yeah@77.46.244.4) left irc: "Leaving" [13:35] martian (n=xtd8865@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:36] umm believe they just got it to build nicelyat the beginning of the year or so [13:36] Chromium? goggle chrome??? [13:37] yeah [13:37] Chromium is the code Google Chrome is built off of [13:37] folks, I'm trying to compile wine in slackware64 but I guess I will need to do something else. Can someone help? configure: error: Cannot build a 32-bit program, you need to install 32-bit development libraries. [13:37] chromium is the open-source part (yeah, chrome is everything but open-source) [13:37] :/ [13:37] suid0, you need the 32bit dev libs [13:37] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl6-198-243.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:38] suid0: slackware64 doesn't contain what you need to build wine. [13:38] or any other 32-bit binary for that matter. [13:38] slackytude: where can I get this? [13:39] suid0, I guess I better let more experienced people answer that [13:39] hmm, if Chromium is good quality platform independant source code it should build on bsd/linux providing the dependencies are met then [13:39] suid0: there aren't currently any published 32-bit compatibility libraries for slackware64 [13:39] Pig_Pen: it was coded for Windows first they just started to add the linux stuff really so it could build at least [13:40] fred: that's bad [13:41] hope so, from what i read at /. some linux entheusists are disapointed with google's chrome [13:41] I expected a true cross platform app from google [13:41] Im kinda disappointed [13:41] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl6-198-243.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:43] it is google after all [13:43] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl12-24-200.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:43] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-198-243.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:43] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [13:43] bbl guys, gotta get that train :) [13:43] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-91-173.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [13:44] kokoko3 (n=askar@119.153.78.243) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:45] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:45] Im now downloading Blade Runner [13:45] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:45] kokoko3 (n=askar@119.153.55.97) joined ##slackware. [13:45] Im hoping my game's disc are just scratched [13:46] because it should run under wine [13:46] thats what you get for buying second hand game discs [13:47] Im trying to get this to work for weeks now [13:47] < Cotowar_> idk though. i tried changing the image to gentoo, and it seems to work fine. gentoo is slackware based right? [13:47] lol [13:47] heh [13:47] noobfarm! [13:47] hahaha [13:47] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:48] gentoo is fried rice based [13:48] slackytude: ++ [13:48] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:49] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:50] lol [13:50] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [13:51] anyone gonna correct him? [13:52] i am not sure what gentoo is exactly myself, i think it is a meta source based with rolling upgrades thats why only ricers like it (too crazy and unstable for my taste) [13:54] i even installed and used gentoo for a while, too much work for too little benefit, Crux has a better ports system and is more stable than gentoo [13:54] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.0.199) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:54] i think it's linux with a poor man's ports bolted on top [13:54] oh, you already went there. bsd ports are pretty sweet though. [13:54] Yudha_HT (n=oc@125.161.60.180) joined ##slackware. [13:55] yeah bsd is nice i would have it running on this if wpa_supplicant supported my wifi card, too bad wireless-tools is not in bsd ports [13:56] i am tempted to go buy a atheros based wifi card just so i can install freebsd [13:58] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A75969.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:59] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A75969.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:59] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [13:59] slackytude: what you doing o.0 [14:00] I killed my evil twin [14:00] he was *evil* [14:00] trust me [14:00] slackytude: tut tut [14:01] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:02] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [14:02] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [14:02] hey firebird619 [14:02] Hey compl3x, how are you? [14:02] good buddy, you? [14:03] http://s.fsdn.com/sd/articles/09/05/22/1639225-1-thumblg.png [14:03] doing excellent, thank you. :) [14:03] greetings firebird619 [14:03] salutations slackytude, how are you? [14:03] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.33) left irc: Connection timed out [14:03] firebird619, still alive. better and better [14:04] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl26-100.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:05] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-24-126-170-195.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:05] hello [14:05] hello [14:05] hello chowabunga [14:05] Klingons do not release software. Our software 'escapes', leaving a bloody trail of designers and quality assurance people in its wake. [14:05] Hi Lord_Khelben [14:05] bye [14:06] y0 chopp [14:06] err [14:06] y0 chowabunga [14:06] tab completion FAIL :) [14:06] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-24-126-170-195.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:06] hehe, he didn't like us [14:06] way - isn't me for a change [14:06] hello people :) [14:06] hey [14:06] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.134.168) joined ##slackware. [14:06] hey pupit [14:06] y0 pupit [14:06] whats up :) whats down :) [14:07] the sky and the ground. :P [14:07] haha [14:07] my debt and the money in my pocket [14:07] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:07] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.47.214) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:07] ouch, that sucks. [14:07] slackytude: ^^^ [14:07] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-98-192-66-86.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:07] just a joke [14:08] slackytude: Ah, so you really have no debt and are rich? :P [14:08] im messing with some ip camera servers, and everything is up, but i dont know how to start an app automatically :) can u point me to some howto :) [14:08] well, no ^-^ [14:08] stqarting app after X is up [14:09] starting* [14:09] starting an app somewhat depends on what de/wm your using. [14:09] kde [14:09] ~/.kde/Autostart [14:09] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [14:09] what program do you want to start? [14:09] firefox :D [14:09] it is for police, [14:10] so they dont need to do anything [14:10] Ok, so you could find the firefox.Desktop file and put a copy of it in ~/.kde/Autostart [14:10] alisonken1home: ping? [14:10] cause, ip cameras are on webserver and they track it via firefox.... [14:10] Do you want it to open to a certain address? [14:10] y0 eviljames [14:10] firebird619: yo [14:10] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:10] where are you where the police use kde? all the police around here just use windows [14:11] firebird619: yes, i already put it on like homepage [14:11] the police here uses paper notebooks [14:11] manwichmakeameal: in serbia... [14:11] :) [14:11] pupit: ah ok, that's why I was asking, because otherwise you could edit the .desktop file to start a certain address, but if you did that, you should be good. :) [14:11] 1 out of 20 may have a computer [14:11] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:12] firebird619, im making a quiche [14:12] its not actualy the for the "police in serbia" its for the guys in a company who hire people for security... [14:12] firebird619: thanks :) [14:12] nix_chix0r: nice. Did you go kayaking yet this weekend? [14:12] pupit: yw [14:12] firebird619, no cause the damn place aint open:( [14:12] serbia is nice [14:12] great food stuff [14:12] nix_chix0r: aww that sucks. [14:13] slackytude: great looking women too :) [14:13] firebird619, i took 7 eggs half cup of millk, salt, pepper, garlic, onions, some mixed frozen veg, sriracha sauce, red peppers, spicy jimmy dean sausage mixed that in the kitchen aid and threw it in the oven for 40min on 350 [14:13] slackytude: yeah, thats good in the mountain of not good stuff in serbia.. :) [14:13] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [14:13] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:13] pupit, shit happens [14:14] = serbia :D [14:14] nix_chix0r: Wow, better change your nick to chef-nix_chix0r. :) [14:14] dust (n=ds@cable-89-216-132-133.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [14:14] haha [14:14] it smells so freaking good [14:14] arent you supposed to cook the sausage seperately first [14:15] yeah i did [14:15] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:15] lets all go to nix_chix0r's house for supper :D [14:15] livestation.com [14:15] i love my kitchen aid [14:15] Pig_Pen, makin a roast for dinner [14:15] Pig_Pen: good idea. :) [14:16] Action: slackytude just does some pizza [14:16] *sigh* [14:16] working on sundays sucks [14:16] no shit,sherlock [14:16] rofl manwich [14:16] ahahah [14:17] i love a good roast beef cooked in a pressure cooker with potatos & carrots and make gravy out of the broth when its done :) [14:17] Pig_Pen, that's the stufff. [14:17] i have a slow cooker [14:17] slow cooker will work too [14:17] 8hrs on that bad boy you have stuff falling apart it's so tender [14:18] Pig_Pen: :O, that sounds good. [14:18] man, I hope the pizza is done soon, Im getting hungry [14:19] i like corn [14:19] i do it in a pressure cooker and add a can of beef broth while cooking it, when its done i let the pressure down slowly then add potatoes and carrots to the broth and when they are done i take em out and make gravy [14:19] dust (n=ds@cable-89-216-132-133.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [14:19] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:19] osmin626 (n=osmin626@h104.97.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:20] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.81.216) joined ##slackware. [14:21] can of broth = msg [14:21] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.57.203) joined ##slackware. [14:21] between the can of beef broth and that roast beef in there it will make some awesome gravy, you'll want to drink it [14:22] i dont eat beef [14:22] vegan? [14:22] no [14:22] what about pork or chicken [14:22] or fish [14:22] on occasion [14:23] mostly beer [14:23] lol [14:23] beer is good on cold cerial [14:23] eh, no [14:23] beer enema [14:23] refreshing [14:23] try it, put some cheerios in a bowl and pour some beer on it, eat & enjoy [14:24] warm or cold beer? [14:24] cold! [14:24] gross [14:24] i only drink it warm [14:24] warm beer is gross [14:24] warm piss is like drinking piss [14:24] ewww! [14:24] warm beer gets you drunk faster [14:25] err what [14:25] 190 proof everclear gets me drunk faster, but i dont get drunk anymore, i stop when i have a buzz [14:25] yeah, put the oven on 180 and open the beer then put it in there for 15 minutes [14:25] and then enjoy [14:25] uhm..no [14:25] nasty [14:25] its what i do [14:26] and you're fail..so.. [14:27] isBEKaml (n=vats@122.164.184.246) joined ##slackware. [14:28] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.81.216) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:29] I could think of nicer ways to make me puke [14:30] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmcdBnj4ZOg [14:31] Pig_Pen: stop posting video URLs without telling what they are about [14:31] Nick change: exbio_ -> exbio [14:31] The next will earn you a ban [14:31] ok [14:31] that one is clean [14:34] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: "Leaving" [14:34] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [14:36] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:37] anyone know if it's possible to move an XP installation to another hard drive to cannibalise disk space? [14:38] dd that shizle [14:39] that's a big iso [14:39] alicephilippa (n=alice@217.146.125.17) joined ##slackware. [14:39] nah just dd to the device directly [14:39] who said anything about dd to an iso just dd to the device [14:39] oh. well, that's rather easy. [14:40] the question is, will XP boot [14:40] that's what im concerned about [14:40] im moving from an IDE disck to SATA as well [14:40] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:40] a sure way to make it boot is with backup/restore using norton/symantec ghost or acronis true image [14:41] im assuming i can just fix lilo to the new drive for the windows boot and that would get it going, right? [14:41] but they aren't free [14:41] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [14:41] Anakin- (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:42] i think that dd will work but if the second disk is larger windows won't see the extra space [14:42] im going to use gparted and minimize the installation, anyway [14:42] Jimmen (n=Devilman@host118-171-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:43] it's just there for compatability with some apps i dont like running in wine [14:43] i have the impression that i did it a long time ago and then used ntfsresize to see the whole partition but i don't recommend it since i can't remember what i had done [14:44] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [14:47] can windows XP convert a fat32 disk partition without killing itself? just cp to a fat32 partition and let windows convert the filesystem back to ntfs once you boot it [14:47] unixfool (i=4421c1cc@about/slackware/wigglit) joined ##slackware. [14:47] that doesnt sound promising to me [14:48] i think you will have to edit that one boot ini file [14:48] i dont it with linux installs many times, copy it over and edit fstab & lilo.conf and it worked perfect [14:48] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.15.252) joined ##slackware. [14:49] copied the entire OS [14:49] yeah, but its windows [14:50] Shuren (n=Devilman@host118-171-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:50] joannis (n=chatzill@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.16/2009041115]" [14:53] kokoko3 (n=askar@119.153.55.97) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:53] Urchlay: same error with current -current. [14:56] ...but it seems to be some general bug in installer [14:56] unixfool (i=4421c1cc@about/slackware/wigglit) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [15:01] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-129-151.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:01] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:02] isBEKaml (n=vats@122.164.184.246) left irc: "leaving" [15:02] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-129-151.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [15:02] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-129-151.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:02] stybla: this error you reporteed: fails at: /usr/lib/setup/SeTpartitions: line 13: can't create /var/log/setup/tmp/tempscript [15:03] Can you check what is at line 13 when you install? The slackware-current installer has an empty line at that position in the script [15:03] And are you sure you're not installing to a readonly device (like a cdrom)? [15:04] alienBOB: confirmed - empty line. [15:04] I've not seen that error, ever [15:04] alienBOB: the thing is, this error comes from messing around with partitions during setup. [15:04] choose parititoins, continue, cancel, choose partitions again. [15:05] it's also possible to define two '/' :P [15:05] please don't take it like i'm ranting :( [15:06] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:06] stop ranting [15:06] kokoko3 (n=askar@119.153.71.140) joined ##slackware. [15:06] fine. [15:06] hmm someone attached their blackberry to my network and two other pcs it seems [15:06] alienBOB: i can try it with slackware-12.2 in a while [15:07] or with s64-current, but i want to finish installation first :) [15:08] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.15.252) joined ##slackware. [15:08] stybla: the installer does not accept that you select CANCEL and then start again. You must reboot, and then start over [15:08] alienBOB: ah, well, ok. [15:09] alienBOB: why not have it unmount anything that's been mounted until that point? [15:09] Either you do it right, or the installer screws up. [15:09] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:09] Call it a Slackware initation test. [15:09] hehe :) [15:09] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:09] just like a real initation test [15:09] just without goatse [15:10] I can add ascii goatse to the welcome screen just for you slackytude ;-) [15:10] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.15.252) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:10] just for me? golly! Id be so proud [15:10] lol [15:10] alienBOB: do it haha [15:12] alienBOB: so, if you make a wrong selection of paritition, then you have to reboot, right? [15:12] benjsh (n=james@95.209.228.179.bredband.3.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:12] eew . I have to work on a few windows box's later :/ [15:12] hmm a blackberry storm [15:13] kitche: find out who it is and mug them :p [15:13] compl3x: i feel ya pain brutha :-/ [15:13] Hi, I got a laptop with Vista and Slack 12.1 installed on it. I want from Vista to start the Linux image. So I was told to use ghost 14 to make an image and then load in wmvare player. But when I start Ghost 14 it cant find the linux partition so I cant figure out how to make an image. Can someone please help [15:13] err what should I do if I have a python setup.py script that usses some setup function from python util library ? install it ... then would be possible to uninstall it as well ? is there some way to add the information to system packages ? like src2pkg ? [15:13] compl3x: most likely it's probably a Tech or a diplomat or something [15:14] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] kitche: ohwell :p [15:14] benjsh: if shost doesnt support linux disk partitions, that can hardly be something we can help you with [15:14] benjsh: err, ghost [15:14] psychicist (n=psychici@195-241-68-222.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:15] can i use something else than ghost [15:15] I just want to be able to start my linux from vista but without installing everything again [15:16] try using colinux [15:16] benjsh: what VM are you using? VMWare? [15:16] err anyone ? [15:17] paul424: i would suggest making a proper slackbuild [15:17] macavity: yes vmware and I also got virtualbox installed [15:17] but i need to make an image of the linux drive to load it [15:17] benjsh: dd? [15:18] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:18] paul424: http://slackbuilds.org/template.SlackBuild [15:18] benjsh: cant virtualbox do that kind of thing? [15:18] benjsh: eg, point it to a resident partition and tell it to clone it=? [15:18] benjsh: or better yet, tell it to run directly from it? [15:18] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.3.79) joined ##slackware. [15:19] (i dont know *shit* about virtual machines.. you can tell, cant you?) [15:19] i am in virtualbox now and then I can only click New [15:19] I don't think VBox can run directly from a hard drive partition. [15:19] ok [15:19] listen to firebird619 [15:19] but i can only create a new image [15:19] and i dont want that [15:19] i want to already load the created stuff [15:19] you can make a virtual drive out of an existing partition [15:19] but you didnt create anything [15:19] yet [15:19] I'm thinking that I need to bridge two eth interfaces to bring internet access to an additional computer, right? [15:19] because ghost was stupid [15:20] benjsh: If you can make/or have an image of your linux partition, then you can use VirtualBox. [15:20] yeah the linux is already installed on the laptop [15:20] yeah [15:20] so, you want New :P [15:20] so how do i get the image of the linux partition I was in here earlier today and people said ghost 14 [15:20] that quiche was so good that's like a requirement to smoke two cigarettes [15:20] macavity: btw, I installed that aqemu for the heck of it last night. Seems quite nice. The ./install-script.sh does have an option to has a dir to install to. [15:20] people in here told you to use ghost? [15:20] nix_chix0r: lol [15:21] I find that hard believe [15:21] what else can i use ? g4l ? [15:21] firebird619: okies [15:21] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:21] real men don't eat kwish [15:21] macavity: just thought I'd mention that. I searched all over, that's the only one that's had updates recently. :P [15:22] macavity: no listen this program is written in PURE PYTHON as well as it;s installer [15:22] paul424: in that case src2pkg wont help you diddelido either [15:22] i'm awoman [15:22] ah [15:22] orly? [15:22] then munch on [15:22] :P [15:22] paul424: src2pkg is pretty much an automated general purpose slackbuild [15:23] hubby ate it too so i guess hes not a real man:P but i rolled his up in a tortilla with salsa [15:23] haha [15:23] slackytude: what do you suggest poor benjsh does? [15:23] get a haircut [15:23] salsa? that's probably strong enough to mask the awful taste ;-) [15:23] oh you mean with his Vm thing [15:23] yes [15:23] Id say google knows [15:23] mmlj4, yep [15:24] nix_chix0r: store-bought, or you made it? [15:24] i made it myself:) [15:24] neat [15:24] I made egg rolls for the first time, 2 nights ago [15:24] benjsh: http://mesbalivernes.blogspot.com/2008/01/virtual-box-booting-from-existing.html [15:24] http://blarts.wordpress.com/2007/12/06/how-to-run-virtualbox-using-a-physical-partition-using-ubuntu-feisty-fawn/ [15:24] nix_chix0r is ##slackwares resident chef. :P [15:24] heh [15:24] 7eggs, salt,pepper,onions,redpeppers,jimy dean sausage,milk, veggies [15:24] we need to have a cook-off [15:24] garlic iect [15:25] benjsh: that will be $10 please [15:25] plus $VAT [15:25] plus $5 VAT [15:25] slackboy, more like 20$ now days [15:25] benjsh: just go to store.slackware.com and buy 10 x $1 Donation to the Slackware Project [15:25] macavity: thanks but that is from linux getting vista i need the other way round [15:26] na, the fixed price is $10 for hiring googlefu [15:26] benjsh: i am rather sure the same principle applies the other way around [15:26] benjsh, check my link then [15:26] benjsh: could you not boot of the slackware cd/dvd and dd the hole drive to some other place? [15:26] but macavity is right [15:27] benjsh: so then you have an image you can use [15:27] compl3x: that is totally overkill.. and no, i dont think he would even survive mounting the partition by hand :P [15:27] haha fair enough [15:27] slackytude: nice link, I was just looking for that myself. :) [15:27] kokoko3 (n=askar@119.153.71.140) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:27] compl3x: and why have an image when vbox can just boot the partition? [15:27] my google-fu is best [15:27] macavity: didn't know vbox was capable of that [15:27] Anakin- (n=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [15:27] compl3x: me either [15:28] but now I'm messing with qemu. :) [15:28] kokoko3 (n=askar@119.153.60.191) joined ##slackware. [15:28] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-129-151.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [15:28] slackytude: anyway to convert VBox vdi's to qemu? :P (jk, I'll look it up myself.) [15:28] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-129-151.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:28] so is it best I boot and dd the drive and use that in virtualbox ? [15:29] qemu supports a lot of virtual disks [15:29] maybe even vbox [15:29] i already bought the slackware dvds and operation book :) [15:29] benjsh: i would prefere booting from the hard disk partition [15:29] slackytude: nah, not vbox I don't believe. It if did that'd be awesome. Going by the aqemu frontend, it doesn't though. [15:29] benjsh: that way you stay in sync [15:29] anyone knows how to make an additional machine that is connected to an additional eth interface reach my adsl modem/gateway [15:29] exbio_ (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [15:29] in my machine [15:30] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.43.118) left irc: "Saliendo" [15:30] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:30] benjsh: that is, if you want to boot you real slackware some day, and run Vista in the virtual machine, you dont have to merge all your config chagnes and what not [15:30] macavity: so should i boot the dvd normally and mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/linux and then dd the /mnt/linux ? [15:30] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:30] slackytude: http://yonkeltron.com/2008/02/21/virtualbox-to-qemu/ :) [15:30] psychicist (n=psychici@195-241-68-222.ip.telfort.nl) left ##slackware. [15:31] firebird619, nice ^-^ [15:31] benjsh: i am not going to answer that, but rather refere you to the article slackytude pointed you to, as that is the right way of doing it [15:31] slackytude: I was hoping there was away, I have alot of stuff in VBox, I'd hate to have to redo all that. :) [15:31] s/away/a way/ [15:31] afaik, its easy to convert them around. especially vbox and vmware [15:32] macavity: hey, how's your journey through virtualization software going? ;) [15:32] Hi pprkut, how are you? [15:32] so I boot dvd: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/vista and mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/linux . Then Run dd if=/dev/sda2 conv=sync,noerror bs=64K >/mnt/vista/linuximage ? [15:32] pprkut: aside from the fact that it is a pain in the ass reading manpages in a webbrowser, pretty fin [15:32] slackytude: plus, my VBox isn't working right now either. Some error. :( So this is good timing to find that link. :) [15:33] firebird619: hi. good, you? [15:33] pprkut: doing excellent, thank you. :) [15:33] macavity: haha, I can imagine [15:33] benjsh: that looks about it,, you can use of=/mnt/vista/linximage.img if you like.. that is faste than the > redirect [15:34] benjsh: also, i would reccomend a bigger bs [15:34] benjsh: eg, bs=1M will speed things up quite a bit [15:34] benjsh: it will give you an totally harmless warning at the end though (because your disk geometry is not an even multiple of 1M) [15:35] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A75969.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:35] So this is the correct: so I boot dvd: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/vista and mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/linux . Then Run dd if=/dev/sda2 conv=sync,noerror bs=1M of=/mnt/vista/linuximage ? [15:35] wb slackytude2, gotta love connection issues. :) [15:35] pprkut: the most rediculous thing is that i want to install it so i dont have to read the elf(3) family of BSD manpages online :P [15:35] aye :( [15:35] and then the /mnt/vista/linuximage can be read my virtualbox [15:35] benjsh: it looks right to me [15:36] benjsh: you better call it ".img" [15:36] benjsh: otherwise something in windows probably fucks up [15:36] firebird619: what connection issues - evil twin. [15:36] benjsh: but why do you insist on using an image? [15:36] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A75969.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:36] slackytude2: My cable Internet used to be that way, I hated it. You never knew when it'd go off and never know when it'd come back on again. [15:36] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [15:36] what else should I do? [15:36] benjsh: we already establishted that vbox can boot straight from the bloody partition [15:36] to get virtualbox to read it [15:36] i dont know how to get virtualbox to do that from Vista :( [15:36] compl3x: lol [15:37] Action: slackytude gives benjsh $0.50 [15:37] get a better OS, boy [15:37] haha [15:38] maybe get ext3 driver for vista? [15:38] benjsh: open cmd.exe [15:38] macavity: heh, fair enough. you're using qemu now? [15:38] sweet, I just got rid of 7.6 GB of stuff, a couple VBox vdi's that weren't being used anymore, the old format. :P [15:39] pprkut: i havent gotten that far [15:39] http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/052009/small_nigerians.jpg [15:39] rofl [15:40] wtf? [15:40] surreal image [15:40] 419eater.com im sure [15:40] benjsh: http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/UserManual.html [15:41] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [15:41] macavity: I see. Well, the bad news is current vbox does not compile on current slack64-current :/ [15:41] how do the 419's never catch on about the images. [15:41] the *.run file you get from upstream works on 64 [15:42] they are getting rich either way [15:42] manwichmakeameal: as pprkut said it does not compile the .run file is not the OSE :) [15:42] benjsh: open http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/UserManual.html and search for "raw hard disk access" [15:42] benjsh: it says so *right* there how you do it [15:43] manwichmakeameal: that's true, but unfortunately not my definition of "compile" ;) [15:43] suppose i want ot have all the gtk based programs to run on my slack 12.0 what lib should i install ?> [15:43] true, i just remembered it compiles the modules not the program [15:43] pprkut: oh well [15:44] so i installed the ext3 driver on vista and see the drives [15:44] how do i get virtualbox to boot it [15:44] RTFM [15:44] macavity: +1 [15:45] or buy the pro version of vbox and cough up the $100 it costs to call an techie and get him to walk you over the steps in the manual line by line [15:45] lol [15:45] macavity: it requires a gcc with 32bit support, and maybe even some 32bit libs. That sucks :( [15:46] i search the manual and it dont say how to boot existing partition [15:46] VBoxManage internalcommands createrawvmdk -filename /path/to/file.vmdk -rawdisk /dev/sda -partitions 1,5 [15:46] join #virtualbox ? [15:46] http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/UserManual.html#id2658261 [15:46] #vbox [15:46] it says so RIGHT THERE damnit! [15:46] yeah but how to do that from vista? [15:46] open fucking cmd.exe and start typing [15:47] hmm this is slackware channnel [15:47] what is the file.vmdk [15:47] >_< [15:47] exbio_ (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:47] exbios__ (n=ada@189.178.153.49) joined ##slackware. [15:47] read what it says just below... [15:47] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [15:47] exbios__ (n=ada@189.178.153.49) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:47] the vboxmanage line is for linux [15:47] so i cant type it into cmd [15:47] benjsh: are you dyslexic, or just *exceptionally* impatient with reading manuals? [15:48] on a Linux host, use the command [15:48] is what it says [15:48] :( [15:48] and what does it say 5 lines further down? [15:48] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:48] where do i go for streaming mindless video entertainment directly into my asseyes [15:48] "n a Windows host, instead of the above device specification, use e.g. \\.\PhysicalDrive0. Partition numbers are the same on Linux and Windows hosts." [15:49] it cant be THAT hard to just read the entire chapter over twice [15:49] when it type in VBoxManage I get an error [15:49] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429496.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:49] then cd to where vbox is installed on windows [15:49] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A77A42.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:50] i imagine something like c:\progra~1\sun\virtualbox [15:50] or some such [15:50] i am there [15:50] so what must i type when the linux is sda2 [15:50] ok, you ARE to stupid to use a computer [15:50] i JUST pasted the line that explains that [15:50] "on a Windows host, instead of the above device specification, use e.g. \\.\PhysicalDrive0. Partition numbers are the same on Linux and Windows hosts." [15:50] Action: toastytoast opens a can of /beer sits back and watches the argument escalate [15:51] how do i set that? [15:51] Action: compl3x joins toastytoast [15:51] ive got a better idea [15:51] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:51] ** Now ignoring benjsh [15:51] benjsh: for the 2nd time RTFM macavity has told you atleast twice now [15:51] VBoxManage internalcommands createrawvmdk -filename \\.\file.vmdk -rawdisk /dev/sda2 -partitions 1,5 [15:51] Action: toastytoast takes a sip of /beer and sets up a video cam to later sell on ebay [15:51] i dont understand the manual [15:51] Action: firebird619 joins toastytoast and compl3x only s/beer/root beer/ :) [15:51] there is no windows example [15:52] miguelrios (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) joined ##slackware. [15:52] if you dont understand the manual, you shouldnt operate the machine [15:52] with the possible exceptions of VCRs [15:52] omg [15:52] benjsh: If you don't comprehend the manual, go ask in #vbox, as you may see this is ##slackware, *not* #vbox. [15:52] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7KltwqRHN4 [15:52] ridiculous pool shot [15:53] slackytude2: lol [15:53] I wish people would start saying what their youtube links are about before I click them... *sigh* [15:54] chowabunga: ok, THAT was fun! [15:54] compl3x: he just said, (2009-05-24 14:52:22) chowabunga: ridiculous pool shot [15:54] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BovQyphS8kA <- c is cookie [15:54] chowabunga: my appologise [= missed it [15:55] so should be VBoxManage internalcommands createrawvmdk -filename /linuxfile -rawdisk \\.\sda2 -partitions 1,5 [15:55] ? [15:55] ..... [15:55] Action: appzer0 joins the group "hey I got pop-corn" [15:55] apologize* [15:55] :O, really. [15:55] damn - I can't spell today [15:55] i like corn [15:55] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@173.4.99.215) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:56] my dog has fleas [15:56] this channel has fleas....... [15:56] benjsh: when commands mention partitions disks etc, you need to modify them to match your own setup [15:56] looks like you are taken back by some newbie .... hmm so probably you want ask my question today neither / [15:56] this universe has fleas [15:56] paul424: what is your question ? [15:57] alicephilippa (n=alice@217.146.125.17) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:57] chowabunga, looks like you traveld too far back in time, back before they exterminated fleas [15:57] benjsh: the manual macavity gave you mentions in windows use physicaldrive and stuff. since we don't use windows [15:57] hmm but listen wouldn't be nice to make the portal which would track the dependencies between libraries ... lilke i type the lib name and it shows all lib that depends on it [15:57] also what lib I must have to run all gtk programs ... [15:57] paul424: i dont mind helping people become more knowlegeable, but i *cant* help people grow the ability to read carefully over a set of instructinons [15:57] paste the command in #vbox and you will get help there, as you were told earlier [15:57] paul424: so by all means.. ask away :-) [15:57] slackytude> umoms crabs are still alive [15:58] paul424: hang on, ive got a script that does that [15:58] lets see, gtk major dependencies are atk, cairo & pango, (probably others) [15:58] paul424: http://pastebin.ca/1427480 [15:59] paul424: just point it to a packagelog, and it will tell you the library dependencies [15:59] Pig_Pen: i guess glib too [15:59] yup, everything else too [15:59] yes but btw why there isn't a portal which would trace the dep between packages /.// wouldn't be the beneficial for all linux users ? [16:00] paul424: it would be hell to keep up to date [16:00] paul424: but generally, ./configure tells you what it is missing [16:01] macavity: is right, and there is documentation either at the author's website or in the source package too [16:01] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A75969.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:01] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:01] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [16:01] paul424: and also, some deps are optional, which causes for some funny constructs [16:02] paul424: for instance, if one lib is optinal, but if you chose it then some other become mandatory etc [16:02] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:02] |ahmina| (n=lymeca@dsl-74-220-76-19.dhcp.cruzio.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [16:02] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [16:03] yes but notice : sometimes one package requires other and then that requiers yet other ... to have the complete tree of packages would be nice [16:03] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [16:04] paul424: there are a lot of packages that have _optional_ dependencies as well - you don't always want the additional dependent libraries if you're not going to use them [16:04] hi, in command, how do I get to what's shown in Konq as: media:/sdf4/Audio -- I tried "cd /dev/sdf4" but it says "not a dir" [16:04] command line* [16:04] it would be difficult to maintain the list paul424 [16:04] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-208.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:05] sdf4, by the way, is a partition on my ext. hdd [16:05] Ficthe: sdf4 looks like a partition. run df [16:05] Ficthe: you must first mount it [16:05] to see where it is mounted [16:05] it is mounted - since I can access it from konq. Okay, I'll run df [16:05] if it is automounted it would be in /media [16:05] /media/sdf4/Audio [16:05] Ficthe: anything in /dev is a device - you normally can't use them directly, you have to mount them to a normal directory mout point [16:05] ahh, /dev/sdf4 511999580 267157472 244842108 53% /media/WDMEDIA [16:06] firebird619: i notice avidemux likes avi files more than vob files [16:06] oh well [16:06] then do cd /media/WDMEDIA/Audio [16:06] yep, thanks. [16:06] Pig_Pen: it likes avi more than anything else [16:07] infinately more than mkv [16:07] yeah, found that out the hardway, mencoder is better for vob then i can append/join the pices with avidemux [16:08] Pig_Pen: yeah, it seems to. I was using mpg's and it worked well with them. [16:08] yup, mpg files are ok too [16:08] http://tweetingtoohard.com/ [16:08] it works fine with vobs too but it doesn't support all the streams in them i think [16:08] I haven't got it to trim off the frames I want yet though. I had tried cinelerra for that and it had an estimated time of 25 hours. :P [16:09] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [16:09] thats what i ran in to, i encoded a mpg and it had no sound [16:09] chowabunga: mention what the url is about please before/after you post it [16:09] and when i tried another method the sound was out of sync [16:09] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [16:09] timer went off! beer is done [16:09] pitivi looks nice, I haven't built it yet. It doesn't have as many deps as I thought it'd have. [16:10] its making fun of twittards [16:12] hm pitivi indeed looks nice. i'll git it [16:12] although it uses gstreamer. when i read gstreamer i have low expectations [16:12] lol, why is that? [16:12] wow these people need help [16:13] in the past i had trouble with it. it needed some plugins which were patented or something [16:14] ah, ok. [16:14] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@173.4.99.215) joined ##slackware. [16:14] and essentialy i could use it to play only few codecs [16:14] :( vbox closed-source doesn't have vditool. Looks like only the ose version does. [16:14] blaguvest (n=blaguves@c-28a072d5.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [16:14] 9999 [16:14] gah [16:15] chowabunga: next time nuke your beer in the microwave it will get done quicker [16:15] Ugh, I guess I have to install vbox-ose now, or find another conversion method. [16:15] how can I bridge two eth interfaces in slackware? [16:16] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-48-110.ip37.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [16:16] i never made a bridge, i burnt a few though [16:16] mod (n=mo@195.251.168.69) joined ##slackware. [16:16] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [16:16] benjsh2 (n=james@95.209.228.179.bredband.3.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:17] ah pitivi uses python. i should have guessed. it "compiled" in 10secs and i was "wow" [16:17] and If I bridge the two interfaces of my machine can I still get internet access that way? [16:18] dissociative, you want brctrl [16:18] Lord_Khelben: wow, that's all it took? [16:18] and, possibly a TAP device [16:18] firebird619: essentially it only installs the files since it is python [16:18] cool [16:18] is that a virtual interface? [16:18] but i didn't ran it yet cause it needs Gst-python [16:19] Action: agentc0re is back [16:19] and i guess 10 more *-Python [16:19] So i didn't get to jump after my class today :( [16:19] benjsh2 (n=james@95.209.228.179.bredband.3.dk) left irc: Client Quit [16:19] now that i am in student status, i can only jump in pristine conditions. [16:19] never made sense to me jumping out of a perfectly good functioning airplane [16:20] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-129-151.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [16:20] dissociative, http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Ethernet-Bridge-netfilter-HOWTO.html#ss3.1 [16:20] oh, nice! qemu-img doesnt actually *use* the space i call on the disk images :-) [16:20] looks kinda old [16:20] but should work [16:21] google knows [16:21] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.43.118) joined ##slackware. [16:22] Hey agentc0re: so you got the class over with? [16:22] LinuxyErin (n=erin@ppp-70-252-130-205.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.156.251) joined ##slackware. [16:25] firebird619: Yup. Tomorrow is looking a lot better in the weather forecast, so i'll probably head down to do that first jump w/instructor. [16:25] anyone know of a youtube style web template i could use on my lan with all my media files? :S [16:25] agentc0re: awesome [16:25] wow.. FreeBSD torrent download is *fast* :-) [16:26] macavity: you going to do hdd install or vm install? [16:26] benjsh (n=james@95.209.228.179.bredband.3.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:26] firebird619: vm [16:27] firebird619: i just need it to test compilation and read manpages :P [16:27] "our" libelf doesnt have manpages [16:27] macavity: would you mind letting me know if your mouse works with it. Mine doesn't. [16:27] and BSD libelf does not make seperate releases :-/ [16:27] firebird619: this is a laptop [16:27] https://secure.cryptohippie.com/pubs/EPS-2008.pdf [16:28] macavity: Ah, ok. :P [16:28] FreeBSD libelf is changing soon anyways [16:28] kitche: keep talking [16:28] macavity: back on the project then I see? :p [16:28] and it's just known as elf [16:28] libElf is what i read [16:28] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "look, i have a testicle hanging out :o" [16:28] the man page is called elf [16:28] yes [16:29] elf(3) [16:29] but apparently it is in src/lib/libelf [16:29] the library is called libelf for it :) [16:29] i have been trying to do a CVS checkout of it, but something has gone bonkers [16:30] alicephilippa (n=alice@217.146.125.17) joined ##slackware. [16:30] if libElf compiles on slackware, i am much more inclined to use that [16:30] lack of documentation is *annoying* [16:30] and they use the same API anyhow [16:30] afk, food [16:31] GNU has it's own libelf implementation not sure what it's called though macavity [16:32] libtroll :P [16:32] http://www.mr511.de/software/english.html < macavity [16:33] kitche: thats the one i am using now [16:33] kitche: but GNU officially sticks to libbfd, as shipped with binutils [16:34] the FreeBSD libelf you would need to hack it up to make it work [16:34] umislack (i=1000@58.64.90.192) left irc: "leaving" [16:34] sicne it's tied into teh kernel and such [16:35] hmm Helio won the guy that got all tax charges dropped against him the indy 500 that is [16:35] yup, race just got over. [16:37] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: [16:37] Does anyone here use vbox-ose? If so, could you please check if you have vditool? [16:39] /me has to work tomorrow [16:39] oh well time an a half :) [16:40] should be double time [16:40] umm sorry but here it's only time and a half [16:40] firebird619: just did a whereis and i got nothing [16:40] every place I worked has been like that XGizzmo_ [16:41] manwichmakeameal: ok, thank you for checking. [16:41] wow [16:41] manwichmakeameal: btw, what version of vbox are you using? [16:41] firebird619: 2.2.2 [16:42] k, thanks. [16:42] kitche: what?!? [16:42] kitche: who on earth would tie something as simple as an implementation of elf() into the kernel [16:42] kitche: them em you deserve double. [16:42] chasmo_ (n=chas@69.4.148.76) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:43] macavity: umm everything in BSD's are tied to the kernel for everything in base [16:43] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A77A42.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:44] the kernel is a dependency that is pretty damn hard to live without :D [16:44] XGizzmo_: techinally they don't have to pay anything extra for a holiday [16:44] kitche: ill tell you what wont compile then :P [16:45] kitche: but i seriously doubt that it uses much else then fopen(), fclose() and fwrite() [16:45] guys why all categories on slackwiki tell: This category currently contains no pages or media. [16:45] ? [16:45] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:45] v4nelle: hpw are we suppose to know that [16:46] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [16:46] macavity: just looked at the sources I have installed and they have sys/cdefs.h in all the .c files it looks like [16:47] along with osreldate.h [16:47] oh bugger [16:47] well.. ill have to test against it anyways [16:47] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:47] slackytude3 (n=slacky@p57A77A42.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:48] but it does have GNU stuff in the source so it might actually compile for GNU system [16:48] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A77A42.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:50] manwichmakeameal: I found out now, they seemed to have got rid of vditool and use VBoxManage now. :P [16:50] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:51] kitche: ill just have to test that my app compiles on the common implementations of elf(3) [16:51] s/ill/I/ [16:52] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A77A42.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:53] Sysv4 seems like it's whre FreeBSD mainly got their implementation from [16:53] yes [16:53] OpenSolaris has gone for the same solution [16:53] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5194674120798904744 [16:53] bill hicks - revelations uncut hahahahahahaha [16:53] and that is what the libelf you posted above mimics too [16:55] so i can just make /tmp a symlink to /dev/shm/tmp ? [16:56] that would be fun if you use sbopkg :P [16:56] especially if you dont reboot very often ;-) [16:58] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [17:00] freaking / keeps filling up [17:01] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-208.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:01] rob0 (i=rob0@sorry.nodns4.us) joined ##slackware. [17:01] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:01] how is mysql using....7 gigs? [17:02] oh my lol [17:02] Lord_Khelben: you still around? You didn't get any errors when trying to start pitivi did you? [17:03] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:03] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14082 anyone make anything of that? [17:03] firebird619: it didn't find gst-python [17:03] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [17:04] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] Lord_Khelben: Hmm, I'm getting: ImportError: No module named zope.interface.verify [17:04] isnt' zope webserver or something ? [17:04] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [17:04] Lord_Khelben: what did you do to installing, use the ./configure, make, make install or what? [17:05] I'm not sure what zope is. [17:05] s/installing/install/ [17:05] zope is a framework [17:05] ah, ok. something I don't have evidently. [17:05] its website says cms [17:05] ping? [17:05] so i guess its something like joomla [17:05] macavity: pong? :D [17:06] anyone have Modula-3 ? [17:06] firebird619: thx [17:06] firebird619: i told you. when i read gstreamer things don't go well hehe [17:06] Lord_Khelben: How'd you installing, the ./configure, etc. method or what. [17:06] macavity: np. :P [17:06] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:06] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-113-111.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:06] Hey MLanden [17:06] firebird619: git clone, git archive the latest release to another dir,autogen.sh, configure,make,make install [17:07] How's it going? [17:07] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [17:07] Heya,folks....How's everyone? [17:07] y0 MLanden [17:07] Lord_Khelben: hmm, ok, same as me then. [17:07] MLanden: doing excellent, thanks. you? [17:07] Gentlemen and ladies, I'm wondering something WRT the new slackware64 ... can we "cp -al slackware/slackware-current/source slackware/slackware64-current/source" to save some bandwidth? Have TPTB considered consolidation of these under a single directory tree? [17:07] Doin' fine,firebird619 [17:07] rob0: yes, it's recommended, actually [17:07] y0,slackytude [17:07] rob0, you can copy to save space.. [17:08] I did -al, made directories with hardlinks. [17:08] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [17:08] ooh [17:09] rob0: the two source trees are not 100% identical [17:09] bummer :( ... but I guess rsync will catch the differences [17:09] lolll [17:09] from 100% used disk space to 58% used [17:09] mysql> PURGE MASTER LOGS BEFORE DATE_SUB( NOW(), INTERVAL 1 DAY); [17:10] whoah,chowabunga [17:10] freed up 6gb of mysql binary logs [17:10] that's a wipe and a half...:D [17:10] heh, no doubt. [17:11] I sort of did the same thing a bit ago, only with old vbox vdi's. got rid of 7.6 GB's right there. [17:11] How about a dual-purpose mini-install-CD? Just copy in the 64-bit kernels and use the 32-bit initrd? [17:11] chowabunga: Now you have all that space,are ya goin' to disneyland?...:D [17:11] lol [17:11] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:12] nope [17:12] i hate disney [17:13] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:13] Duff gardens then...:D [17:13] just jokin',chowabunga [17:14] i fail to see the humor [17:14] chowabunga: how can you hate Darkwing Duck?!? :P [17:14] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:15] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.3.79) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:15] darkwing duck rulez :) [17:15] rob0: will 64bit kernels run 32bit kernel modules? [17:16] i still watch it. a greek tv channel plays it every saturday/sunday morning [17:16] Lord_Khelben: priceless, isnt it? :P [17:16] w000t its going to rain! [17:16] heh, darkwing duck [17:16] oldschool [17:16] macavity, of course not, but does the install CD need them? Ahhh ... the mini one does, for networking ... [17:16] slackytude3: why are you guys multiplying like that?!? [17:17] chasmo77 (n=chas@69.4.148.76) joined ##slackware. [17:17] so, a custom initrd is needed, or have both on the same CD [17:17] rob0: oh, right.. that was just how i read it [17:17] macavity, there seems to be an dimension rip [17:17] Lord_Khelben: nice, zope interface is on SBo. :) [17:18] slackytude3: yeah.. in this dimention i am running other OSes than slackware.. it's quite peculiar actually [17:18] The one I'm using will work for that, it's a mini 210MB, big enough for both mini CD's. [17:18] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:18] but, I'd like to get it all on a 50MB credit card CD. [17:18] strange lands indeed [17:19] slackytude3: find out which dimension has beer for free,and raid it like no tomorrow...:D [17:19] good plan [17:19] firebird619: i will pass. it looks good, but avidemux does the same with all this stuff [17:19] right after I visit the dimension of Nymphomaniacs [17:20] Lord_Khelben: Well, I'm going to check it out. :) [17:20] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-67-124-150-194.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:20] since it's not in this reality, you have a good alibi...:D [17:21] Lord_Khelben: haha, it complains about gstreamer stuff now. [17:22] firebird619: what are you compiling? [17:22] the gnonlin plugins. [17:22] MLanden: pitivi [17:22] video editing app [17:22] hehe after that it will want something else again :) [17:23] guys there is iso image of slackware current? [17:23] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] Lord_Khelben: haha, probably. [17:23] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:23] cool,firebird619...got their wiki open [17:23] MLanden: yeah, it'd be even cooler if it'd work. :P [17:24] Lord_Khelben: sbo doesn't have the gnonlin plugins. I have installed all the ones sbo does have though. [17:24] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:25] Nick change: slackytude3 -> slackytude [17:25] There is NEVER an official ISO image of slackware-current. If you want it on plastic, master and burn it yourself. Instructions to do so are not hard to find. [17:26] good luck on that,firebird619 [17:27] rob0, i tell that because i find this ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-current-iso/ which is on greek repos [17:28] v4nelle: are you in greece? i read about those riots the muslems did [17:28] v4nelle: someone created that ISO, but *no one* of the Slackware team [17:28] ntua isn't very famous for the quality of its ftp and mirrors :) [17:28] MLanden: heh, thanks. I'll probably skip it though instead of having to get whatever else it needs. I'll maybe work with avidemux more. :P [17:29] lol......greek mens :p [17:29] Nick change: miguelrios -> likevinyl [17:29] firebird619: sound like a plan ;P [17:30] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:30] Pig_Pen: there is a club in greece that unfortunately is legal club and hates everyone isn't greek and they started the thing. it wasn't the muslims fault [17:30] wb macavity. :P [17:30] ok.. the slackware installer is a heck of a lot easier than the FreeBSD one [17:30] Nick change: mohaa -> debianero [17:30] wb,macavity [17:30] Nick change: debianero -> mohaa [17:30] anbyody knows where FF puts its PID file? [17:31] cant start it after I killed it [17:31] macavity: also don't like the fact that BSD refuses to do a DVD release :( [17:31] Shrp_: uhm, i just downloaded the dvd from their official torrent tracker....... [17:31] nvm [17:31] freebsd? [17:32] happycycling (n=happycyc@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:32] 7.2-RELEASE baby [17:32] damn.. i only saw CD versions last i checked [17:32] http://torrents.freebsd.org:8080/ [17:32] pick an arch, uncheck the CDs and the livefs stuff [17:33] macavity: the installer still reports the disks as "ata6 ata4" etc ? [17:33] slackytude: Did you try to open FF with -ProfileManager? [17:33] i386-all [17:33] or whatever [17:33] good to know [17:33] MLanden, nvm found it [17:33] Lord_Khelben: i didnt check.. this is in qemu [17:33] i remember i had 2 disks and it just showed ata6 ata4 and didn't know which is which [17:33] slackytude: good to hear [17:34] i know all about clubs and taverns, i dont go places where i know i am not welcome, i did not make the rule i just know enough to live by them [17:35] Pig_Pen: this was for me ? [17:35] if you think it is then yes [17:35] :) [17:36] blaguvest (n=blaguves@c-28a072d5.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [17:36] no hard feelings, i am not one to make trouble [17:36] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@173.4.99.215) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:36] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:36] because i mentioned club that is why i asked [17:36] is there some kvm permission madness i need to be aware of? [17:36] but i meant different kind [17:36] waazzzaaaaaa :) [17:36] y0,Camarade_Tux [17:37] modprobe kvm && qemu -enable-kvm opts opts opts img gives me garbage [17:37] y0y0 MLanden :) [17:37] Hey Camarade_Tux. How's it going? [17:37] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:37] hi firebird619, doing well, and you ? [17:38] doing very well, thanks. [17:38] isnt it kqemu ? [17:38] I just learned that I'm going to slack during this week, and last week was holidays ^^ [17:38] hooray for stream.dump [17:39] macavity: do you have an intel or amd that supports virtualization? [17:39] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [17:39] LinuxyErin (n=erin@ppp-70-252-130-205.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:39] Pig_Pen: hear ya...'specially with the large drives nowadays...:D [17:39] twolf: intel Core2Duo [17:39] yeah [17:40] macavity, trying to virtualize 64bit ? [17:40] i have a 500 gig sata, i am already thinking of getting another one [17:40] nope [17:40] i386 [17:40] macavity: I use 'modprobe kvm && modprobe kvm-intel && qemu-system-x86_64 options img' [17:40] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:40] kvm says it doesnt exist, and kqemu gives my regular user access denied [17:40] Pig_Pen: goin' for the T...:D [17:40] macavity, ok [17:41] twolf: i would like to run this as a regular user [17:41] macavity: do you have a kvm group and added your user to that group? [17:41] someday when the kids move out and wife retires and i get tired of swinging a hammer i will have to cut back on the spending, that means canceling cable TV & internet, and i will have several harddrives full of goodies :D [17:42] twolf: apparetnly not.. i must have missed that in the sbo readme [17:42] the modprobe you can do first, then the qemu-system-x86_64 as regualr user [17:42] LinuxyErin (n=erin@ppp-70-252-130-205.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:42] macavity: also I had to install qemu from sbo first, then kvm, the kvm then will install its own qemu [17:44] twolf: i am on -current [17:44] twolf: it has its own kvm [17:44] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.134.168) left irc: "Leaving" [17:44] heck, lets try with kqemu instead [17:45] macavity: I am too, but I build my own to take advantage of kvm-intel with qemu, it is the only way to get it to work right [17:45] ah, ok [17:45] building kvm with qemu already installed is what gives it the new qemu [17:46] it will be better than kqemu [17:47] screw this for now [17:47] i dont bother re-compiling my kernel [17:47] no recompiling kernel, just kvm package from sbo [17:47] ah [17:47] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429496.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:48] does the locale cmd looks for the whole system like / ? and works for user ? [17:49] twolf: thx for saving me the trouble of reading the docs :P [17:49] np :) [17:50] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-48-110.ip37.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "leaving" [17:51] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:51] macavity: once you build and install kvm then modprobe kvm and kvm-intel, then run something like this 'qemu-x86_64 -localtime -m 512 -hda img' [17:51] knoxville (n=knoxvill@c-76-113-247-176.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:51] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) joined ##slackware. [17:51] Shuren (n=Devilman@host118-171-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:52] ok from the other side suupose I am missing foo.so library for some program ... how do I look for all possible versions of that on my system in diff directorires ? locate foo* right ? [17:52] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl26-100.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [17:53] i'm trying to back up my /etc directory. can i just do a `cp -r` or will that miss some files? [17:53] twolf: thx [17:54] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:54] ehh please please help me [17:54] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:54] i have a really stupid question, mplayer's man page shows up to make a stream.dump out of a streaming media file, but i am at a loss as to what audio codec to use to listen to it with, i tried wav and it did not work, its not a mp3 is it? [17:55] jescis (i=1000@adsl-80-18-57.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:55] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [17:55] amazon10x, I would run "sudo cp -r" to make sure you don't get permission denied [17:55] nope, not an mp3 [17:56] i tried wav because it was a wma stream [17:56] wmp [17:57] ok, i will give that a try [17:58] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-51-132.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:58] knoxville: yeah, i'm doing it as root [17:58] if it is a wmp neither mplayer or xmms will play it [17:58] i just grabbed a new vps and i'm upgrading from 12.0 to -current [17:58] maybe i need to encode it [17:59] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] <[OpenSys]> hello [18:00] amazon10x, maybe use tar, will preserve symlinks [18:00] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:00] mod (n=mo@195.251.168.69) left irc: [18:00] <[OpenSys]> any one get working fake raid with intel ich9 ? [18:01] [OpenSys], yeah 7 of them [18:01] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:01] [OpenSys]: better off with software RAID or true hardware RAID [18:02] twolf: thanks, that helped a lot with the installer speed :-) [18:02] Jimmen (n=Devilman@host118-171-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:02] <[OpenSys]> NyteOwl, shure, but for now e need to put this server working with that [18:03] fake raid? [18:03] knoxville (n=knoxvill@c-76-113-247-176.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:03] <[OpenSys]> chowabunga, yes [18:03] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) left irc: "Changing server" [18:03] yes - what 99% of all motherboards call RAID [18:03] but why? [18:03] gonna fetch some sleep [18:03] night all [18:04] ciao [18:04] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A77A42.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:04] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:04] What does it mean when I cant ping 127.0.0.1, but I can ping my external IP address? [18:05] I also cant ping my internal 192.168.1.77 address [18:05] All my packets get dropped [18:05] redtricycle: that your firwall is working [18:05] *firewall [18:05] Even for localhost? [18:05] Happy towel day for those already on the 25th! [18:05] redtricycle: localhost IS 127.0.0.1 [18:05] I know [18:05] towel day? [18:05] but why would the firewall block my connections to localhost? [18:05] is what I'm asking [18:06] AND if that's my firewall working [18:06] why are external pings allowed? [18:06] because you havent done any -destination 127.0.0.1 -j ACCEPT [18:06] and *not* internal pings? [18:06] NyteOwl: obviously you're not a hoopy frood :) [18:06] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Towel_day [18:06] or what ever it is called in the iptables lingo [18:06] I dont have an iptables... [18:06] oh [18:06] this is just a 2WIRE firewall [18:07] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:07] i dont know.. i better back down then [18:07] i miss read your original statement anyways [18:07] Action: compl3x is going to kill sed [18:07] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.90.249) joined ##slackware. [18:07] >_< [18:07] I hate how I'm trying to debug my webserver [18:07] but even my local *dev* server is having problems [18:07] i'm trying to upgrade from 12.0 to -current and when i run upgradepkg it says it can't find pkgname.txz.tgz [18:08] apparently an issue with the new file extension [18:08] amazon10x: that is a big jump [18:08] amazon10x: think you might have to upgrade slackpkg first. [18:08] amazon10x: then run the update. [18:08] amazon10x: and tar [18:08] i grabbed the slackware direction from a mirror; not using slackpkg [18:08] lets forget HOW for a minute, WHY would you want to PING the interface you're pining from? it's so close to zero as to be meaningless if you could do it [18:08] amazon10x: and pkgtools [18:08] & install txz. [18:08] macavity: and xz? [18:08] fwiw, you can't scan yourself with nmap as a normal user iirc [18:08] xz, yes. [18:08] Action: compl3x thinks someone should make a post upgrade current script [18:09] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [18:09] the upgrade.txt says to do glibc then pkgtools. should i do pkgtools first? [18:09] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [18:09] upgrade anything that ends in .tgz first [18:09] >_< [18:09] THAT WAS THE PROBLEM [18:09] I had to do ifconfig lo up [18:09] redtricycle: haha [18:09] the loopback wasnt even started [18:09] ugh [18:09] redtricycle: why did you bring it down? [18:10] hey! thumbs, good to see you're int he ##slackware channel too! [18:10] haha [18:10] amazon10x: is it possible that upgrade.txt is targeted at 12.2 -> -current? [18:10] thumbs: you're all over the place ;) [18:10] redtricycle: yes. [18:10] thumbs: it didnt auto-start... [18:10] I ahve a broadcom wireless card [18:10] macavity: probably [18:10] so it doesnt do that stuff automaticaly [18:10] redtricycle: that is unlikely. [18:10] amazon10x: anyhow, you need to do the stuff nessecary for txz packages first [18:10] of course, anyone who wants to run -current should be able to figure these things out :) [18:10] redtricycle: the rc.inet* scripts will bring lo up. [18:10] amazon10x: just dont blame me if it blows up [18:10] let em check the rc.inet script [18:11] Oh. [18:11] I disabled inet1.conf [18:11] lol [18:11] Because it didnt work for my wireless card anyway [18:11] ... sigh. [18:11] okay, I'll bring it back =/ [18:11] macavity: alright, i'll see if i can't get it working [18:12] okay...now, back to the original .htaccess problem... [18:12] amazon10x: tar, xz, pkgtools, slackpkg [18:12] thumbs: I had to do a doublecheck to see what chan I was in when you spoke =D [18:12] redtricycle: I'm also in #postfix, and #slackbuilds [18:12] amazon10x: then run slackpkg --update && slackpkg --upgrade-all && slackpkg install-new [18:12] redtricycle: don't jump next time you see me there. [18:12] compl3x: found this link a while back http://stackoverflow.com/questions/773340/can-you-provide-an-example-of-parsing-html-with-your-favorite-parser might be able to assist you [18:12] ;) [18:13] Anakin- (n=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:13] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) joined ##slackware. [18:13] you will need pkgtools, tar, xz, etc. before slackpkg can work, of course [18:13] MLanden: cheers buddy im ripping my hair out here :) [18:13] upgradepkg --install-new a{,p}/*.tgz should be first [18:14] cheers \m/ compl3x [18:14] thrice`: i belive slackpkg --upgrade-all has that right down to an arc [18:14] macavity: without xz, slackpkg won't do anything [18:14] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [18:15] yeah, i put tar, xz, pkgtools on there [18:15] and then slackpkgk and i'm updating it now [18:15] thrice`: oh, no, right, i assume he upgrades tar, xz, pkgtools and slackpkg by hand [18:15] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:16] what package is "which" in? [18:16] grep bin/which /var/log/packages/* [18:16] Okay, I was asking earlier about a dual-purpose (32 & 64) mini-install CD, but I guess no one has done that yet? [18:17] amazon10x: which-2.20-i486-1 on current [18:17] rob0: i figure alienBOB is the one to pester about it [18:17] rob0: not possible with the need of a 64-bit kernel [18:18] unless it has two different kernels to load, I guess...hm [18:18] thrice`: exactly :P [18:18] thrice`: the idea is actually not all that stupid when you think about it [18:18] but would need two different busybox environments too [18:18] thrice`: why? [18:18] i think i read on the lq forum that 13 is gonna be a double sided dvd with 32 on one side and 64 on the other. could just be speculation though [18:18] thrice`: the slackware64 kernels support 32bit binaries [18:19] well, my question is "how come no other distros have it yet?" [18:19] thrice`: so it just need two kernels and two /lib/modules/ [18:19] Shingoshi (n=shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] thrice`: the rest can be 32bit [18:19] i got this error on upgrading glibc. http://pastebin.com/m21846abc [18:19] ok.. actually that is a good question [18:20] is there a log somehwere for this? [18:20] check the md5sum amazon10x [18:20] amazon10x: check by hand that your new tar is working [18:20] crap [18:20] it's not. it needs the new glibc [18:20] how do I search for this library ? libwx_gtk2u_richtext-2.8.so.0 [18:20] no, it shouldn't [18:21] perhaps the 12.0 -> -current is too far [18:21] should i go to 12.2 you think to avoid the txz issues [18:21] ]hmm slapt-get --search libwx* [18:21] and then go from there to -current [18:21] right ? [18:21] I've had no trouble revocering from stupidity with my slamd64 using a 32bit busybox based recovery disk. [18:21] zsh: command not found: slapt-get [18:21] amazon10x: i think you just hosed your system [18:21] amazon10x: or rather, you need to boot the DVD and fix your tar problem [18:22] haha [18:22] txz issues? [18:22] well this is on a vps, so i'll nuke it and tell it to put 12.0 back on here [18:22] please please please please help me ehhh [18:22] paul424: if slapt-get borks up your system, dont ask here about it :P [18:22] paul424: and please, read the guidelines URL [18:22] paul424: no clue, wxgtk maybe ? [18:23] dont' install random packages and then ask where you can find their crappy libraries [18:23] amazon10x: that sounds like a good idea [18:23] amazon10x: and to be honnest, i would reccomend 12.0 -> 12.1 -> 12.2 -> -current [18:23] amazon10x: Ensure that xz is installed then try installing that package via installpkg. [18:24] amazon10x: you're sure you *installed* xz ? [18:24] slackware should be able to handle 12.0 -> -current [18:24] hmmmm [18:24] whats xz ? [18:24] thrice`: yeah, i did, but it needed the new glibc also [18:24] just upgrade sed/pkgtool crap first [18:24] amazon10x: no [18:24] lns40: the new compression program [18:25] lns40: it replaces gzip [18:25] macavity: aah ok cool :) [18:25] amazon10x: can you pastebin your history for us to see exactly what you did ? [18:25] well i just nuked it all [18:25] lns40: thus the packages are now called .txz instead of .tgz [18:25] here, i'll try again though. very carefully this time [18:25] wow.. how fast can they restore 12.0 on it? [18:26] do this first: "upgradepkg --install-new {a,ap}/*.tgz [18:26] macavity: it's a very very minimal install. 70MB [18:26] where can one find the new xz package? [18:26] LnxSlck: seriously, you fail. google? the slackware site? [18:26] zErOaCid (i=slacker@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:26] thrice`: this is a fresh system. so you want me to do that before anything else? [18:26] LnxSlck: slackpkg --update && slackpkg --install-new [18:27] LnxSlck: packages.slackware.it [18:27] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:27] thrice`, i can't find it in http://packages.slackware.it/search.php?v=current&t=1&q=*xz* [18:27] zErOaCid (i=slacker@cpe-69-203-220-240.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:27] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:27] http://packages.slackware.it/package.php?q=current/xz-4.999.8beta-i486-1 [18:27] I can [18:28] Wow, that's on the verge of 5 [18:28] damn [18:28] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable233.40-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:28] why dont people just use slackpkg :P [18:28] http://www.google.com/search?q=xz-utils&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a [18:28] first hit on google, too [18:28] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable233.40-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:28] just tell me if the slapt-get can find the libraries in packagess like libwx_gtk2u_richtext-2.8.so.0 [18:28] macavity: it wont' show up on 12.2 [18:28] paul424: no, you installed slapt-get, A NON OFFICIAL PACKAGE, you can figure out its use [18:29] thrice`: huh? i thought it was pushed as in patches/ [18:29] xz? no way [18:29] s/as/in/ [18:29] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [18:29] paul424: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k [18:30] this thing doesn't even have wget on it. most minimal thing i've ever seen [18:30] paul424: please see "3rd party package managers" [18:30] O_O [18:30] Action: thumbs hates his cable modem [18:31] amazon10x: heh, this your home box? [18:31] BP{k}: vhost [18:31] nah, it's a VPS i just grabbed [18:31] amazon10x: which company? [18:31] they only have a 12.0 minimal template [18:32] brand new one, possibly a scam. vpsright [18:32] amazon10x: ok, well, if it's a minimal installed, my --install-new might not be desired. at least, do "upgradepkg {a,ap}/*.tgz; installpkg a/xz*.tgz" [18:32] he needs a way to get those packages on there [18:32] i think i'm the only person on this server right now. i'm downloading these packages at over 10MB/sec [18:32] i got wget on there so i'm using it to mirror now [18:33] good [18:33] amazon10x: should have gone with linode :P [18:33] paul424, http://trac.wxwidgets.org/ticket/10169 [18:33] i would've but i'm too cheap [18:34] what i have now will be a fantastic deal, as long as performance on my node keeps on like this [18:34] hehe [18:34] amazon10x: any caps on bandwidth usage? [18:34] 800GB [18:35] amazon10x: diskspace? [18:35] my package is 80GB disk space, 768MB of ram, 800GB of bandwidth, and 2 IPs [18:35] price? [18:35] on their website this package is about $25/mo [18:35] but i got it for 10.50 [18:35] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-51-132.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:35] damn [18:36] nice [18:36] so if they keep giving them away at this price, they'll surely go out of business soon [18:36] haha [18:36] any funny restrictions on usage? [18:36] Action: macavity is thinking bt seedbox :P [18:36] martian (n=xtd8865@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [18:36] oh. i'd be very surprised if they don't restrict p2p [18:37] i've been vps shopping for the past few days and every single one bans p2p and irc [18:37] and irc??? [18:37] irc+++++? [18:37] i asked the guy that runs this if i could be on irc and he said it'd be fine as long as i'm not stupid [18:37] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:37] heh [18:37] they have issues with abuse. person goes on irc, pisses some people off, then the node gets ddos'd [18:37] aah [18:37] Curious. Blame the victim. [18:38] DDOS is the criminal beh. here. [18:38] amazon10x: vps ? [18:38] yes [18:38] caoliver: they are officialy called "packet faggots" here on freenode :P [18:38] something interesting though: he said the server was a core2duo quad-core or something [18:38] but i'm seeing 4 667mhz cores on here [18:39] perhaps it's just frequency scaling [18:39] most likely [18:39] I wonder why only slack 12.0 [18:39] power consumption is probably a biggie for a company like that [18:39] okay, i just mirrored -current. gimme some commands to run [18:40] well, I don't want to ruin the 70MB install [18:40] I have two physical disks. One with windows and one with linux. Does it matter where I install LILO as long as it points to the windows partition? I can boot into linux, but it fails loading windows [18:40] packages currently installed: http://pastebin.com/m51d07bf8 [18:41] here's what the issue was last time, the tar and xz that is in -current both need a new glibc. but to install the new glibc, i need those packages [18:41] perhaps i could follow a 12.0->12.1->12.2->current path for just tar, pkgtools, and glibc [18:42] and then when that works i can launch everything else straight from 12.0 to -current [18:42] you need to compile the new tar ans xz for your system. [18:42] you'll need to install a toolchain too :| [18:43] if he is on 12.2, can he just compile tar and xz? [18:43] no, as he has no toolchain on there :) [18:43] argh [18:43] fun problem [18:44] Has anyone seen this? checking host system type... Invalid configuration `x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu': machine `x86_64-unknown' not recognized [18:44] just go on 12.0 and download -current then install it to a new partition [18:44] oh, crap you're right. there's no gcc or anything on here [18:44] chowabunga: he is on a VPS [18:44] I almost wouldn't touch it in that state [18:44] so? [18:44] build them on a full slackware and transfer them over [18:44] XGizzmo++ [18:44] or get the 12.0 wget pacakge from a mirror and scp it [18:45] or eat corn [18:45] assuming he has a 12.0 system lying around :) [18:45] BP{k}: i have wget on there. i just mirrored the whole repo with it [18:45] my desktop system is -current. but it's not online right now [18:45] So, thrice` and macavity are thinking I might not be insane, this is good. :) [18:45] How do you get your stuff installed on your vp? [18:45] hey, don't put words in my mouth! [18:45] errr... vps. [18:45] rob0> don't call your brain "it" [18:46] As far as I know, a 32-bit initrd should be able to install the 64-bit packages. [18:46] damn.. installing FreeBSD in qemu with the dvd.iso on the same disk as the drive.img is *slow* [18:46] oh you said I...lol you win at fail [18:46] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [18:46] caoliver: it came with 12.0 on it. through the web browser control panel i was able to drop the wget package on it [18:46] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@190.149.101.71) joined ##slackware. [18:46] I know I've done it with slamd64 packages and a slackware installpkg [18:46] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-67-124-150-194.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:46] Ok. It'd be very painful to completely replace the OS. [18:47] rob0: Its really really eays to make a mini install disk with both 32 and 64 options [18:47] easy [18:47] ah, you've done it XGizzmo? [18:47] rob0: huh, so, dual kernels to choose, which loads a 32-bit busybox environment, and has packages from each ? [18:47] just the kernels and /lib/modules ? [18:47] i think i'll grab 12.2 and i try to up to that first [18:48] well, I don't want one with the packages, I just want a mini-CD to use NFS. [18:48] Nick change: happycycling -> ajuna [18:48] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.156.251) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [18:48] Nick change: ajuna -> happycycling [18:48] and FTP please [18:49] but ... slackware/*/*t?z vs. slackware64/*/*t?z ... might be a problem [18:49] Hmmm... don't know how I feel about NFS. Always was a source of horrors for me. [18:49] Nick change: happycycling -> ajuna [18:49] rob0: why not add two kernels (32bit & 64bit) and two initrd.img files (32bit & 64bit) on that mini ISO? [18:49] rob0: thats how my PXE env is setup [18:50] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.90.249) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:50] Two initrds is indeed an option, just an ugly one :) [18:50] there it is then ... that's what I'll do [18:50] what tools are going to be used during an upgrade? i'm thinking: tar, pkgtools, and then xz for -current. is that all? [18:50] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] Sorry I lost interweb due to a storm [18:50] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:50] it would be nice to get it going on a 50MB credit-card CD, but that will come later [18:51] ajuna (n=happycyc@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-" [18:51] amazon10x: gzip, pkgtools, tar, xz [18:52] happycycling (n=happycyc@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:52] rob0: kernels and initds from 64 and 32 ,just added 64 to the end of the 64 bit stuff [18:53] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE61F3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE61F3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:53] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.156.251) joined ##slackware. [18:53] then edit isolinux/isolinux.cfg to add the new 64 bit stuff [18:53] Yudha_HT (n=oc@125.161.60.180) left irc: "Bye.." [18:53] yup, that's the plan as it stands [18:54] happycycling (n=happycyc@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:54] my PXE boot tree is 40 meg [18:54] well, that's small! [18:56] Action: thrice` fails on a "size doesn't matter" joke [18:56] [ in bed ] [18:56] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062167174.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [18:57] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.43.157) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:58] rob0: are you thinking of a thin client sort of thing? [18:59] not really, I just like not juggling a lot of plastic. Right now I have 2 laptops which need upgrading, one x86, one 64-bit. [18:59] I AM so angry that you haven't told me about the locate --- it does not work ... the library I needed was in /usr/lib but the dumb locate couldn't find it [18:59] and the x86 needs a CD, that's the only way I can boot it [19:00] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.156.251) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [19:00] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [19:01] locate refers to a private database which might not be current. [19:02] You need to watch your tone. The answers your getting are by the grace of the respondents. They owe you nothing. [19:02] paul424: you came in asking how to use slapt-get. how much help did you expect? [19:03] locate needs the occasional database update [19:03] it's best to do that in a cron job [19:05] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:06] updatedb(8) runs in a default Slackware cron.daily job. [19:06] okay, i'm rolling now [19:09] i upgraded tar, gzip, pkgtools, and glibc from 12.0 -> 12.1 -> 12.2 -> -current [19:09] and now i'm upgrading everything else to -current [19:09] amazon10x: that was quick [19:10] well i didn't have to mirror 12.1 and 12.2, i just grabbed those couple of packages [19:11] amazon10x: ah you didn't do a full upgrade [19:11] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) left irc: "Saliendo" [19:11] i am going in the opposite direction, i am upgrading everything to -pasture [19:11] now that i have pkgtools working properly. i'm upgrading everything to -current. that's still running though [19:11] -pasture? i'm not familiar [19:11] haha [19:11] obsolete software [19:12] ahh. where packages go to die? [19:12] Pig_Pen: that's awesome...tell me how that works for ya [19:12] sure thing [19:12] amazon10x: congrats :-) [19:13] amazon10x: now i know what to tell the next person in line with that problem [19:13] does anyone here use qemu and wicd [19:13] VampirePenguin: i use wicd [19:13] VampirePenguin: what's up? [19:13] the issue was that the pkgtools in -current wanted a glibc >= 2.6, but glibc in 12.0 is 2.5 [19:14] so probably upgrading just glibc from 12.0 to 12.1 would work [19:14] frullet: ping? [19:14] well i was following aliens doku on vde's in qemu but i think bc i use wicd and the normal network configuration files are not populated i cant get my guest to recognize a net connection [19:15] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:15] VampirePenguin: i've never had a problem with guest os's recognizing net connections over virtualbox, if that helps any [19:15] happycycling (n=john@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] happycycling (n=john@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:15] vbox wont build for me in 4.2.3... the kernel, headers and addons will but not vbox itself [19:16] VampirePenguin: hmmm [19:16] happycycling (n=john@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:16] VampirePenguin: using 32 bit or 64? [19:16] qemu is easier to clone the img and it also runs vmware imgs [19:16] 32 [19:16] http://www.skibur.com is almost up [19:17] VampirePenguin: ah...well, i was going to recommend a 64 bit slackbuild, but ok [19:17] oh i wish [19:17] skibur: /amsg is frowned upon on freenode. [19:17] idont have a 64 bit box [19:17] next one will be [19:17] VampirePenguin: understood [19:18] VampirePenguin: i think the slackbuild will work, with modification [19:18] VampirePenguin: but you're into qemu, so... [19:18] oh i dont remember what the error was.. but it was failing on the gcc checks/build [19:19] Hey thumbs, how's it going? [19:19] firebird619: aside from my cable modem dying on me 5 times today, not bad [19:19] ouch [19:20] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-222-45.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:20] thumbs: that and no lappy. :P [19:21] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:21] nope. [19:21] when about do you get the laptop back, do you know? [19:21] usually 6 business days. [19:22] maybe less. [19:22] ah, so not too long to wait. [19:22] but long enough. :D [19:24] alicephilippa (n=alice@217.146.125.17) left irc: Connection timed out [19:25] how do I set my view to 'detailed' in the KDE file browser permenantly. As soon as I close the winder it reverts back to viewing files as icons [19:25] hmm. this vps is using reiserfs [19:26] that's fine. [19:27] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl9-246-66.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:30] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl8-150-150.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:32] it's got some weirdo fs stuff going on. /dev/simfs 80G 5.9G 75G 8% / [19:32] suppouse I made some soft links with the names of files which will be installed now by the installpkg should I remove the soft links or the pkginstall will override them ? [19:32] i wonder if i can write to the mbr on that [19:33] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-226.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:34] jescis (i=1000@adsl-80-18-57.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:34] anyone please please helpe me [19:34] ok, mouse does not work in in qemu with fBSD [19:35] paul424: they will be over written [19:35] macavity: ok thanks very much [19:36] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:36] amazon10x: is that some usermode linux box? [19:37] i believe they're using OpenVZ [19:37] i'm reading the users guide for that now to see if i can find out how it works [19:37] anyone recommend a good firewall script that I could use for rc.firewall? [19:38] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-51-132.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:38] happycycling: alienbob has one [19:38] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/efg/ [19:38] happycycling: ^^^ [19:38] awesome thanks [19:38] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:39] macavity: did you enable the mouse daemon in the fbsd installer? [19:39] Hey hitest, how's it going? [19:39] firebird619: good:) you? [19:39] macavity: so your mouse doesn't work. :) [19:39] how to force the unrar cmd to extract the part1 file ? regardless of the need of the part2 and so on ... [19:40] hitest: doing excellent, thanks. [19:40] hitest: i think so [19:40] hitest: it came and asked me mouse stuff... [19:40] I had the same mouse problem, it was a usb issue in fbsd [19:40] hitest: this is a touchpad on a laptop [19:40] hitest: .. in qemu [19:40] hitest: what'd you do to fix it? [19:40] I have a mouse problem too with fbsd. [19:41] I didn't fix it. Unfortunately I don't have a PC atm with a PS/2 port. [19:41] Ah, ok. [19:41] hitest: i am a VM nubinubi, so i have zero clue as to how much of my own hardware hines through to the VM [19:42] Ugh, I've converted my .vdi files to .img to then convert to qemu. The free space in /home is decreasing, yet I don't see the files. What the heck? :( [19:42] firebird619: silly question.. ls -a [19:42] compl3x: yup, tried it. [19:43] They have to be somewhere in home or the free space wouldn't decrease. [19:43] paul424: maybe unrar kb sick-pron.part01.rar? [19:43] Ah Ha, I got an idea. [19:43] paul424: err, unrar e kb [19:43] paul424: unrar | less [19:43] paul424: and start reading :P [19:44] hahahaha [19:44] compl3x: Sweet, found them. Even though I was running the command to convert then in a certain folder, it put them in ~/.VirtualBox. :P [19:44] s/then/them/ [19:44] firebird619: haha [19:45] yet another mystery solved. :) [19:45] good to hear,firebird619 [19:46] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Client Quit [19:46] what a nice name for qemu's format, qcow2. :P [19:48] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:48] compl3x: Who would have thought they save to there huh?. :P [19:48] firebird619: would of thought so yeah :p [19:48] :) [19:48] macavity, firebird619: One of my PCs does have a PS/2 port but the CD ROM drive is not recognized by install disk #1 in fbsd.....which fscking sucks. I guess I need to overcome inertia and swap in another CD ROM drive:) [19:49] Why do todat what you can out off till tomorrow. [19:49] exactly [19:49] Why do tomorrow what you can do today. :) [19:49] ha, true:) [19:50] I'll get to it.....got a spare drive at work methinks [19:50] I even asked in #freebsd about it, they were nice and all, but the problem didn't get resolved. One person even said they've had bad luck with fbsd and hardware support. [19:51] the mouse issue that is. [19:51] yeah [19:51] Oh well, at least slackware works. :) [19:51] I've never had a problem with a ps/2 mouse [19:51] Action: chopp throws a Verda font at firebird619 :P [19:51] yeah thank god for slackware [19:51] hahaha, you're not gonna let that go are you. :P [19:51] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:52] chopp: The shuttle landed today. :) [19:52] yes [19:52] Now it awaits the piggyback ride to Florida. :P [19:52] happycycling: slackfire works good, its a slacware app; freshmeat.net has it [19:52] firebird619: lol....well maybe..maybe not. Yes I saw the landing. :) [19:53] I wonder if where I got Verda from was the font Verdana. :P [19:54] firebird619: thats the conclusion I came to this morning. [19:54] hitest: oh, try manually outcommenting the atapi stuff in the bootloader [19:54] hitest: that did the trick on 7.0.1 [19:54] jescis (i=1000@adsl-80-18-57.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [19:55] hitest: at least for SATA cdrom drives :P [19:55] macavity: thanks, good idea, I'll try that [19:55] chowabunga_ (n=chowabun@c-76-105-123-144.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:55] actually that is one of my main sour grapes with linux [19:55] syntax_enable (n=krt@ip72-195-143-121.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:55] .. the lack of multiboot compliance [19:56] anyone ever play a m4a audio file? [19:56] my own little conspiracy theory is that Linus doesnt like it for the sole reason that GNU invented the standard [19:57] question: When installing slackware, is there any way of doing a net install (like debian) or do i need to download all the cd's? [19:57] syntax_enable: if you know what you are doing, CD1 is enough [19:57] how do I upgrade the kernel? [19:57] firebird619: I waited *hours* as you well know for qt4 to build on my mythbackend, and then mythtv-svn wouldn't build. I'm now installing -current on it. :P [19:58] jescis: download the source from kernel.org and compile it [19:58] yep [19:58] macavity: well if i dont' know if i know enough, then it should be fun. thank you [19:58] conspiratard! [19:58] syntax_enable (n=krt@ip72-195-143-121.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:58] conspiracies are awesome [19:58] chowabunga_: or just constipated :P [19:59] conspiracies are why the world sucks [19:59] sure its good for you, but you arent starving to death as a child [19:59] apparently no [19:59] faad -w inputfile.aac | lame - outputfile.mp3 [19:59] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [20:00] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: [20:00] happycycling (n=john@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:00] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [20:01] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left ##slackware. [20:01] Asmadeus_ (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [20:02] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:02] chopp: haha, nice. Hope it works out good for ya. [20:02] with -current [20:03] firebird619: yeah shouldn't be a problem, just time consuming. [20:03] yeah, but if it all works, it'll be worth it. :) [20:05] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:06] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:06] Hi antiwire [20:06] firebird619: yes I like watching tv on my 22", and irc is *always* running on the 19" [20:06] hey [20:06] antiwire: how was camping? [20:06] awesome, we were really close to the shuttle landing too [20:07] chopp: Ah, nice. I have a 22" widescreen, tv would look great on it, but the tv tuner card sucks. :( [20:07] antiwire: wow, seriously? [20:07] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:07] yeah [20:07] sweet [20:07] awsome :P [20:07] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:07] heh i have a 28" screen [20:07] but this i no time for dick measuring [20:07] firebird619: What's the tuner card? [20:07] MLanden: an old ATI one, vertical static lines, etc. It just doesn't get a decent picture on it. [20:08] Other than that, it's alright and works well with linux. :P [20:08] firebird619: that's the ticket...:D [20:09] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151138048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:09] Sweet, osol in qemu. :) [20:09] antiwire: did you hear the sonic booms when the shuttle was about to land? [20:10] gnubien, theyre going to use sonic booms as a weaponk, death by sonic booms [20:10] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-98-192-66-86.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:10] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [20:11] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [20:11] jeev: robot soldiers will have those weapons i bet [20:11] bbl [20:12] i would rather die from "death by snusnu [20:12] ha, me as well [20:12] gnubien, i wonder if the first revisions of robot soldiers will have sexual organs incase they need to reproduce in battle [20:13] battle = killing you [20:13] engative! [20:13] Nick change: chowabunga_ -> chowabunga [20:13] negative [20:13] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:13] i mean killing pakistanis? [20:13] teenage mutant ninja turtles are watching what goes on arounding me [20:13] ahh, is that where they wanna go next? [20:13] jeev: you'll never get close enough to a robot soldier to see if they have them ;) [20:14] i've always wanted an ABC droid as depicted in Judge Dread :P [20:14] we get twitter, they get unmanned aerial drones [20:14] the Pakistani army have been battling with the Taliban, seems even regular pakistanis are fed up with them [20:14] hopefully the enemy robots are running vista [20:15] yea i duno what's going on pakistan [20:15] either way, whatever the zionist media says.. i tend to ignore it [20:15] hitest: DOS 6.0alpha3 :P [20:15] lol you said zionist [20:15] haha, shit [20:15] without knowing the meaning! [20:15] lostnhell (n=Unknown@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:16] Action: jeev hides from chowabunga. [20:16] conspiritard! [20:16] macavity: lol [20:16] i guess they dont want the Talibans crazy extremist ways either, nobody does [20:16] Pig_Pen, those taliban people are some crazy mofos [20:16] uhm.. some does [20:16] they need to lock them up and make them make license pklates [20:16] the Talibans :P [20:16] hahahahaha [20:16] Pig_Pen: convert you infidel! ;) [20:16] zGhost (i=zachary@adsl-69-209-102-36.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [20:16] "SILENCE!!! I KIIIIILL YOU" :P [20:17] omg evil muslims are the enemy of humanity ahhhhhhhh lets sell them weapons so we can invade [20:17] i converted from being an infidel to being a devoted athesit [20:17] atheist* [20:17] Pig_Pen and now you have to skin potatos on a daily basis [20:17] shiet! [20:17] Action: zGhost is hoping he didn't stumble in upon a religious debate [20:17] heh [20:17] religion = mind control [20:18] set you up to hate [20:18] bush = crackhead [20:18] I'm a pastafarian.....beware his noodly appendage [20:18] a pastawhatdidyousay? [20:18] church of the flying spaghetti monster [20:18] Cryptic_Donkey (n=topgun17@adsl-11-226-85.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] oh right [20:19] :) [20:19] err.. what? [20:19] i once worked in a restaurant where they had this machine that peeled potatoes, it had this plate in the bottom that was abrasive like very rough sandpaper and it would spin and we would drop potatoes in it and in a few seconds out popped perfectly round peeled potatos [20:19] hitest: did you take your medication today? :P [20:19] lol [20:19] lol [20:19] When's Haley's Comet supposed to pass the earth [20:19] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [20:19] hitest: if you did, consult your doctor to get another brand :P [20:19] I was thinking about joining the Heaven's Gate cult [20:19] macavity: http://www.venganza.org/ [20:19] It's a real site. [20:19] it also had a water supply to keep it rinsed clean [20:19] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:20] Can anyone help me with a dual boot problem today? [20:20] http://www.venganza.org/ [20:20] the church [20:20] lostnhell: Sure, delete the second one :P [20:20] hitest: ^^^ [20:20] :D [20:20] hmm, it looks like this OpenVZ software isn't fully isolating these VPS instances. so i'm stuck with whatever kernel the host is running [20:20] lol... I'm having problem getting slackware64-current to boot [20:21] need to find something to do before the day is over [20:21] if you ask me that potato peeling machine wasted a lot of good material off those potatos, about one third was wasted [20:21] lol [20:21] I am installing salck ware on an old Dell Diminsion 4600C [20:21] are you still talking about that [20:21] "its a real site!" [20:21] the message is "No filesystem could mount root, tried: romfs Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block (8,19)" [20:22] I have always gotten this when I tried to setup a second physical installation of slackware [20:22] lostnhell: is this a new fresh install? [20:22] slack64 is a fresh install [20:22] did you choose a kernel that requires an initrd? [20:23] I already confirmed that my lilo.conf is pointing to the correct vmlinuz file and partition [20:23] default kernel [20:23] i would guess the slack64 install gives you a choice of kernels [20:23] lostnhell: which file does it point to? [20:23] Asmadeus_ (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:23] the "generic" kernel requires an initrd, the "huge" does not. [20:23] agentc0re: i'm much more into http://www.slackware.com/~alien/efg/ [20:23] eeek [20:24] agentc0re: i'm much more into http://www.subgenius.com/ [20:24] huge was the default [20:24] damn stupid klipper [20:24] macavity: IPTables? ;) [20:24] hah [20:24] its a religion baby [20:24] macavity: Or alienBOB? [20:24] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:24] i have the hots for alienBOB.. just dont tell him, ok? [20:24] we've noticed [20:25] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:25] you pop a boner when he's here [20:25] macavity: I think you should consider switching to http://www.timecube.com/ [20:25] lol [20:25] That's funky. Why is your root on /dev/sdb3? [20:25] BP: which file does what point to? [20:25] its those green tentacles [20:25] yummie :-) [20:25] and that one big eye [20:25] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [20:25] lostnhell: okay, what does your lilo.conf look like? [20:26] image = /boot/vmlinuz root = /dev/sdb3 label = Slackware64 read-only [20:26] bbiab [20:26] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] man i got so many servers i dunno what to do [20:26] BP{k}, I confirm through my VM install of 64 that the entry matches the VM entry, except for the partition [20:27] agentc0re: ok, that is almost sick enough to pass as being for real [20:27] BP{k}: lostnhell; It's possible when you did the install for slackware64 that you overwrote your vmlinuz [20:27] lostnhell: /boot/vmlinuz is a symlink. Where does that point to? [20:27] macavity: It is real, unfortunately. [20:27] It'd seem to me you'd get quite a nastier panic in that case. Maybe a failure in lilo. [20:27] O_O [20:27] BP{k}, vmlinuz is on another partition, 12.2 is on hda3, slack64 is on sdb3 [20:28] jesus mother fscking christ, your kidding me? [20:28] macavity: Real as in, someone seriously believes it. Youtube timecube [20:28] lostnhell: ls -l /boot/vmlinuz [20:28] Where is /boot? [20:28] agentc0re: no man.. there are things enough to be frightened by in this world [20:28] Action: danc3 thinks BP{k} is about to uncover this mystery... [20:28] BP{k}, on which install? [20:28] creepy,agentc0re [20:28] agentc0re: i dont need to actively go *hunt* for more nightmares [20:28] MLanden: No doubt. [20:29] lostnhell: the new one [20:29] Action: BP{k} swigs back his beer . [20:29] beer.... [20:29] good idea [20:29] beer on sunday! [20:29] scotch, better idea. [20:29] Action: danc3 is on his third "Champagne of Beers" [20:29] I won't know until I boot to it using the jump drive, I be back in a few minutes [20:30] Budweiser? [20:30] caoliver: I have a nice bottle of Laphroaig. ;) [20:30] I have Busch... :( [20:30] I'm sorry. [20:30] high life is champagne of beers [20:30] zGhost: currently having a Thwaites Wainwright. A nice golden ale. [20:30] thats miller, genious [20:30] chowabunga: that is correct [20:30] BP{k}: the beer I buy is about $16 for a 30 pack [20:30] slackware 13 is ou! [20:30] when? [20:30] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [20:30] zGhost: Why would anyone taint their soul with that shit? [20:30] this is the question [20:30] :D [20:30] gabriel_: when it's ready [20:31] gabriel_> in a year [20:31] agentc0re: personally I don't like the taste of beer, I drink it for the buzz [20:31] i'ts a joke man [20:31] :( [20:31] lostnhell (n=Unknown@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:31] There are so many nice beers out these days. [20:31] come back in a year noob [20:31] gabriel_: It's not funny. [20:31] agentc0re: in my last one i was with Ice-T in his role from Jonny Mnemonic.. we were hunting criminals in the dark by swining iron chains with heavy balls at each end.. i ended up in a sewer running from them because we were out of chains, and they were infected with BioPAX (dont ask) [20:31] gabriel_: are you a n00b? [20:31] zGhost: lol. [20:31] no [20:31] chowabunga: how about you leave your elitist attitude at the door ;) [20:31] zGhost> how bout you suck more dick [20:31] agentc0re: so you see.. i do possitively *not* need any more twisted world views to mess up my head (mission accomplished on that one) [20:31] hmm? how bout them apples [20:31] xGhost: where in the world are you? [20:32] macavity: Hahahhah. [20:32] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [20:32] another one added to the ignore list :D [20:32] caoliver: Michigan, United States [20:32] humans have no sense of humor [20:32] chowabunga: moron [20:33] you guys should kick it with the annunaki [20:33] sigh... I thought we got over this yesterday? [20:33] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:33] zGhost: same here. UP or LP? If LP, where abouts? [20:33] macavity: Time to summon the council. [20:34] caoliver: LP.. Big Rapids area [20:34] lostnhell (n=Unknown@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:34] Traverse City here. [20:34] I'd love to live in Traverse City :D [20:34] BP{k}, vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-huge-2.6.29.2 [20:35] I forgot I can mount a partition in VMware [20:35] No you wouldn't. It's pretty, but finding work is a b----. [20:35] zGhost> more like big Crapids area [20:35] The hits keep on comin'. [20:35] badump chaaa [20:36] agentc0re: damn.. i just did some random reading on that site.. can we trace this mofo and get a straightjacket on him/her before we see a new Unabomber, just in a more square version? [20:36] unabomber = fbi informant [20:37] chowabunga: you do intirely too many drugs [20:37] chowabunga: http://www.instantrimshot.com/ [20:37] macavity> and you eat too much food [20:37] Cheerful lot, aren't we. [20:37] and i am damn proud of it [20:37] macavity: He is also super racist. I can't believe the guy was a professor at one point in his life. I can't even believe he is trying to get this as a taught learning material in colleges. [20:37] what's this chowabunga guy saying, I've got him on ignore [20:37] chowabunga, kill yourself [20:37] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [20:38] gabriel_> i already did [20:38] agentc0re: wow.. [20:38] agentc0re> whats super racist? something about jews im sure [20:39] In crontab, 23 59 * * * would run the command every day at 23:59 right? [20:39] chowabunga, what else do you expect? it always is [20:39] jeev> i read ADL documents [20:39] complete crap [20:39] "he said this and that about us!" [20:39] now what is wrong with just plain ignorance about anyone that doesnt physically resemble one self? [20:39] chowabunga: Well maybe you could read the site for yourself and determine it for your own opinion. [20:39] at least that is something that has a natural explanation in the way our brain works [20:40] agentc0re> i didnt see a site [20:40] but apparently the only racism that exists is anti jew [20:40] getting all intelectual about what is just an ancient function of our primal brain is a plain waste of time :P [20:40] from what the zionist media says [20:40] chowabunga, you said zionist! [20:41] BP{k}, are you still there? [20:41] chowabunga, one day the word anti-semite wont matter for americans.. soon [20:41] semites are brown [20:41] not racist israelis [20:41] jeev, explain please [20:41] TwinReverb, people are going to get tired of hearing that shit [20:41] you're an anti-semite cause you dont agree with us crap [20:42] lol [20:42] chowabunga, you know it's true [20:42] Action: macavity fetches popcorn [20:42] personally I think the isreali as well as palistinian states need to fuck off [20:42] Guys guys [20:42] jeev, i'm sick of the jew jokes, that much i am sure. as for "your an anti-semite because you don't agree with us", i didn't notice that [20:42] of course...60,000 jews living in iran refused money to be herded to israel [20:42] oh no, not more of this anti-semite anti-palestine anti-whatever race baiting argument.. [20:42] heh [20:42] compl3x: want a coke and some popcorn? [20:42] look it up [20:42] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [20:42] Action: compl3x waits for alienBOB to come smite your ass's [20:42] ccfreak2k, yes that should run at 1 minute until midnight every night [20:42] iran for life [20:42] what I'm saying is both sides are just as guilty [20:43] i wanna move to iran [20:43] life for life [20:43] the palistinians as well as israelis [20:43] zGhost, how guilty could you be for getting your land taken ? [20:43] eviljames: I showed macavity timecube.com and he's forever warped. :) [20:43] or at least untill it runs out [20:43] while it still exists [20:43] Action: TwinReverb is reminded of the MadTV iRack skit [20:43] if someone came to los angeles, im from iran [20:43] jeev: who cares [20:43] if they attacked me, i'd be outside getting them uot of LA [20:43] Action: compl3x is fed up of religious debates in slackware [20:43] i'd be considered an insurgent by the opposition [20:43] macavity: I do. I think i might just grab a beer. [20:43] zionism is not religious [20:43] compl3x, code for me [20:43] NOW [20:43] both the israelis and palistinians are wrong [20:43] both [20:43] its political [20:43] haha, neither one is right [20:43] well it's not a religious debate, but either way, i'm sick of this stuff too [20:43] compl3x: I totally agree with you. [20:43] agentc0re: excellent! he is now seeing the earth in a 4 day rotatino? [20:43] compl3x: it was a long time since this qualified as "a debate" :P [20:44] ok, since BP{k} is gone can someone else help me get slackware64 to dualboot [20:44] s/rotatino/rotation/ I think my keyboard receives keypresses left-to-right... [20:44] eviljames: He better, or we'll burn him for not believing. [20:44] ok, we have a technical question from lostnhell [20:44] all OT'ers go in private please :P [20:44] hey, that's worth exploring [20:44] lostnhell, dual boot slackware64? [20:44] macavity: thankyou :) [20:44] compl3x, i accept C/C++ coders! [20:44] lostnhell: do you have a common /boot partition? [20:44] lostnhell: how is your drive sliced up? [20:44] how you downloaded it is beyond me, since the mirror i use to rsync with is not grabbing slackware/ yet [20:45] whenever I try to dualboot any version of slackware, the second install always through a kernel panic stating is cannot sync VFS [20:45] lostnhell, which kernel are you using? [20:45] lostnhell, pastebin your lilo.conf :) pastebin.ca [20:45] if it's one of the generic-smp ones, you'll need to use an initrd [20:46] lostnhell: lba32? [20:46] What i know so far is he has two boot partitions to hold the vmlinuz images for slackware and slackware64 [20:46] a pastebin binary would be cool. ./pastebin /etc/lilo.conf and it comes back with the link [20:46] or script [20:46] agentc0re: where did you come across that imbecile? [20:46] http://pastebin.com/m60bdb12a [20:46] well whichever lilo.conf he uses or whichever one he is using when he runs LILO needs to include both initrd's [20:46] (timecube.com) [20:46] dual booting two could be a pain [20:46] slack12.2, winxp, slack64 [20:47] topgun21 (n=topgun17@adsl-11-226-85.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:47] NyteOwl: hahah. Like that don't you? I think eviljames gave it to me first. [20:47] i'd use the same boot partition for both personally [20:47] Just been helping spreading the word :P [20:47] lostnhell: "unknown post id"? [20:47] kernel 2.6.29.2 [20:47] a common /boot but then different / for each [20:47] with a common kernel that has both the 64bit and 32bit included [20:47] but that's just me [20:47] macavity, what do you mean by that? [20:47] the problem here i think maybe initrd [20:48] agentc0rewhat a waste of bandwidth heh [20:48] happycycling (n=john@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] unixfool (i=4421c1cc@about/slackware/wigglit) joined ##slackware. [20:48] lostnhell: when i load the URL you gave it says "unknown paste id" [20:48] *post [20:48] How do i tell xorg x11 that I have a usb mouse? [20:48] ah that's why i couldn't rsync with slackware64-current ... my script was wrong [20:48] topgun21, does your laptop have a touchpad? [20:49] er, is this a laptop? [20:49] that is the correct id, m60bdb12a [20:49] No it is a desktop witjh a usb mouse connected [20:49] topgun21, is psmouse module loaded? [20:49] strange [20:49] *m60bdb12a [20:49] forgot a b [20:50] gm151 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:50] doesnt work here.. [20:50] "may have expired" [20:50] gm151 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:51] http://pastebin.ca/1433447 [20:51] lostnhell: so .. as I can see it .. you are trying to boot slackware64 with a slackware12.2 kernel? [20:51] does the kernel that lilo is installed on matter? [20:51] because lilo is written to the mbr [20:51] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-76-105-123-144.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:52] you don't install lilo to a kernel [20:52] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:52] TwinReverb, I know that, that is why the question confused me [20:52] lostnhell: can you pastebin "ls /boot" [20:53] ah, i think i know [20:53] kokoko3 (n=askar@119.153.60.191) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:53] is there a way to test my firewall? My router blocks everything so should I unplug it and run grc.com? [20:53] BP{k}, ls /boot/ from my 12.2 or 64 install? [20:53] lostnhell: does slackware32 see the other HDD as /dev/sdb? [20:53] lostnhell, those two kernel calls don't look right [20:53] one is to /boot/vmlinuz which is a symlink to another file (usually) [20:53] lostnhell: or as /dev/hdb? [20:53] the other is to an actual kernel image file [20:54] lostnhell: whatever which /boot/ in your /etc/lilo.conf is pointed at [20:54] both kernels for the different OSs are on the same /boot partition? [20:54] no [20:54] well /boot is a mounted FS so it assumes whatever you have mounted to /boot [20:54] wow everything on slackwiki now can't even be accessed with Special:AllPages anymore :( [20:54] BP{k}, this is the listing for the boot directory on the 12.2 install of hda3 http://pastebin.ca/1433451 [20:55] why is one pointing to hd* and another to sd*? is this an IDE or SCSI/SATA hard drive? [20:55] does slack have talkd? [20:55] i'm not seeing it anywhere [20:55] TwinReverb: that is what i asked just a while ago [20:55] amazon10x, I have 1 IDE and two SATA [20:55] which: no talkd in (/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib/java/bin:/usr/lib/java/jre/bin:/usr/lib/qt/bin:/usr/share/texmf/bin:.) [20:56] TwinReverb: 12.x sees my drives as hd* whereas -current sees them as sd* [20:56] I am trying to get the contents of /boot/ for the slack64 install now [20:56] happycycling, test your firewall? uh, you could use grc.com, sure, if you trust their paranoia :) [20:56] ah ok [20:56] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.15.252) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:56] or should I just assume alien's slackware script works? [20:56] oh, there's a section in the slackbook on it. i'll read [20:56] macavity: hmm i think that's a naming thing with the kernel [20:56] mine is always sd* because it's SATA.... [20:56] i think they decided to name everything sd* now [20:57] TwinReverb: but it doesnt matter, his system is 1 IDE and 2 SATA [20:57] so that part is right enough [20:57] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [20:57] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:57] what are the names of the kernels in slackware64? [20:57] exactly the same as on 32? [20:57] hidee ho all :) [20:57] Old_Fogie: hey old frind :-) [20:58] topgun21 (n=topgun17@adsl-11-226-85.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:58] huge.s and generic.s [20:58] hiya [20:58] Old_Fogie: how are you? [20:58] macavity: Hogan, Klink, Saunders ... [20:58] good, about to test torcs latest in a few min [20:58] Hidee Ho,Old_Fogie [20:58] http://www.pastebin.ca/1433452 [20:58] XGizzmo: completely same filename? [20:58] hey Old_Fogie, good to see you:) [20:58] lostnhell, so which file is /boot/vmlinuz poiting to? [20:58] hitest, you can see me? can you see what I'm doing right *now* [20:58] Action: Old_Fogie pulls his finger :) [20:58] yep [20:58] hmm two huge kernels [20:58] lol [20:58] hahah [20:59] vmlinuz is pointing to a 32 bit kernel, that much is obvious [20:59] i'm surprised LILO will let you use two of those [20:59] TwinReverb, in slack64 vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-huge-2.6.29.2 [20:59] Action: MLanden passes out from Old_Fogie's bomb...X_X [20:59] nheco__ (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) joined ##slackware. [20:59] lostnhell: lilo doesnt look in to the /boot of slackware64 in this case.. how would it know to look there? [20:59] We still need a new ambigram logo for Slackware64 [20:59] Action: TwinReverb dons chem mask and smacks Old_Fogie [21:00] MLanden, TwinReverb :) [21:00] Old_Fogie, why not just put a "64" on the end? [21:00] should I be root running k3b or is there a parameter I could add to fstab in order to burn cds? [21:00] macavity, I thought that pointing to /dev/sdb3 would point it to boot since boot resides in that partition [21:00] 64Sl4C\Xw4rs64 <--my irc slackware64 ambigram :) [21:00] lostnhell: nope [21:00] happycycling, it's not an fstab option iirc and no you should not be root running k3b [21:00] lostnhell: that just gets passed to the kernel as an argument [21:00] happycycling, just use the k3b config tool that k3b comes with [21:01] "configure system permissions" iirc [21:01] okay [21:01] lostnhell: it doesnt say squat about where to find things [21:01] macavity, how would I go about telling lilo to find boot on another partition? [21:01] the traditional way is create "burning" group and add yourself to it, but i usually prefer using cdrom group because i'm already a member of it :) [21:01] chainload [21:01] slKIvs (n=ivan@190.149.95.10) joined ##slackware. [21:01] groupadd -g 451 pyromaniacs [21:02] other = [21:02] lostnhell: you mount / of slackware64 in /mnt/hd, then you do: cp /mnt/hd/boot/vmlinuz /boot/slackware64-kernel [21:02] Nick change: nheco__ -> ghost [21:02] kokoko1 (n=askar@203.99.174.8) joined ##slackware. [21:02] I use the option from the slackware hints/tricks file chown root:cdrom /usr/bin/cdrdao /usr/bin/cdrecord /usr/bin/growisofs in lieu of using k3b tool. Also fixes matters for other cd-burning apps as well. [21:02] slKIvs (n=ivan@190.149.95.10) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:02] lostnhell: then you edit lilo.conf to point to /boot/slackware64-kernel [21:02] lostnhell: and run lilo again [21:02] yeah that's a good idea macavity [21:02] TwinReverb: its the only one we have.. [21:02] Nick change: ghost -> Guest32057 [21:02] TwinReverb: the filenames are the same :-/ [21:02] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) left irc: Nick collision from services. [21:02] Nick change: Guest32057 -> nheco [21:03] maybe his fstab should mount the / of the other OS as /mnt/something-else but as read-only? not sure [21:03] I don't like that run k3b/sudo tool [21:03] TwinReverb: which pretty much means that a shared /boot between slackware 64 and 32 will require "intimate knowledge" [21:03] macavity, thank you for the help, I will boot to Slack64 through jump because the fs is EXT4 and do the copy, then I will return [21:03] h9Sl4C\Xw4rs64 [21:03] rob0, :) [21:03] lostnhell: slackware 12.2 has ext4 support [21:03] macavity, i was hoping a shared /boot would be possible but i don't know what files exist in both of those (file clobber isn't fun) [21:03] oops, that's my root password :( [21:04] rob0, haha [21:04] Nick change: Old_Fogie -> Oldway_Ogiefay [21:04] A shared /boot is easy [21:04] lostnhell: mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb3 /mnt/hd [21:04] fail [21:04] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [21:04] macavity, mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4' [21:04] Action: Oldway_Ogiefay pig latin's everyone's nick in ##slackware [21:04] rob0: yes.. but if you do it straight from the installer, your old /boot content will get overwritten [21:04] rob0: nice password [21:04] lostnhell: wow.. i forgot that [21:04] Action: TwinReverb didn't know slackware 12.2 supported ext4 but didn't care [21:04] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] * macavity is now known as acavitymay [21:05] :D [21:05] lostnhell: but yes, the other way around is good too [21:05] brb [21:05] TwinReverb: 12.2 doesn't support ext4, at least with a default kernel [21:05] Action: TwinReverb hopes that wasn't rob0 's password [21:05] lostnhell: afterwards we can set up a shared /boot if you have the diskspace [21:05] lostnhell (n=Unknown@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:05] acavitymay, right, don't let the setup overwrite the /boot, but that's not very difficult to work around [21:05] hahaha ! [21:05] Action: TwinReverb is going to be using XFS for the foreseeable future [21:05] Oldway_Ogiefay: na, i am having an bad dyslexical day [21:05] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:05] Nick change: pizdets -> pizzledizzle [21:06] install slackware64's lilo to the superblock and let slackware32 chainload it [21:06] * rob0 is now known as obray0 [21:06] XGizzmo: NOW you tell us :P [21:06] why use two boot loaders? :( [21:06] obwayerozay? [21:07] because its a hel of a lot easier [21:07] Oldway_Ogiefay: what would i be? obegentc0reaway ?/fail at that conversion i already know. [21:07] XGizzmo, some of us use XFS [21:07] um ... XGizzmo ... izzmoxgay ? [21:07] (granted it appears our client does not) [21:07] igpay atinlay isway away eryvay eryvay effectiveway ayway ofway issingpay eoplepay offway owhay uffersay omfray anyway egreeday ofway yslexiaday [21:07] agentc0re, agentcway0eray [21:07] agentc0re, "man pig" <--yes it really exists :) [21:08] Action: TwinReverb abstays Oldway_Ogiefay and macavity [21:08] acavitymay [21:08] s/ [21:08] :) [21:08] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Leaving." [21:08] roflcopter [21:08] TwinReverb, :) [21:08] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [21:08] i can now truthfully say lol [21:08] We put out the firebird619. [21:08] TwinReverb: no, it is "oflcopterray" [21:08] Hey rob0 [21:08] Oldway_Ogiefay: HAHAHAH [21:08] hahaha, try out XGizzmo's nick with 'pig' :) [21:09] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:09] ok i'm laughing to tears now [21:09] Hey Oldway_Ogiefay [21:09] * XGizzmo is now known as IzzmoxGay [21:09] hey agentc0re [21:09] how would I give my username permission to mount and umount my DVD drive? [21:09] LOL [21:09] Oldway_Ogiefay: hahaha [21:09] izzmoxgay [21:09] haha [21:09] firebird619: Howdy! [21:09] Nick change: TwinReverb -> IntwayEverbray [21:09] who dare call him that? [21:09] macavity, use pig on XGizzmo name :) [21:09] i just did [21:09] yub881 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:09] Nick change: yub881 -> hta173 [21:09] Nick change: zGhost -> Gsotzh [21:10] Nick change: agentc0re -> agentcway0eray [21:10] Nick change: firebird619 -> irefay-irdbay619 [21:10] You people are silly. [21:10] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.149.248) joined ##slackware. [21:10] Nick change: Gsotzh -> zay-ostgay [21:10] illysay? [21:10] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [21:10] rob0: You'd be obray0 [21:10] (07:10:48 PM) NickServ: (notice) Nick agentcway0eray is now registered to your account. [21:11] excellent :D [21:11] Nick change: IntwayEverbray -> TwinReverb [21:11] sweet [21:11] agentcway0eray, haha nice :) [21:11] Nick change: zay-ostgay -> zGhost [21:11] Nick change: MLanden -> andenScrewed [21:11] LOL [21:11] you guys are crazy [21:11] hahaha [21:11] :D [21:11] azycray? [21:11] andenScrewed: hilarious! haha. [21:11] thumbs: you're umbsthay [21:11] Anybody that uses Slackware isn't sane ;) [21:12] zGhost, :) [21:12] thumbs: umbsthay [21:12] bull, we're the sane ones, everyone else is nuts [21:12] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:12] agentcway0eray: no, I'm not gonna change my nick [21:12] although i'm dreading the new kde [21:12] TwinReverb: hehe... you used to use the nick NeoSadist right? [21:12] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [21:12] hey edman007 [21:12] anyone run kde4 on sub 1ghz machine? is it usable? [21:13] hi [21:13] Oldway_Ogiefay: if you turn off Desktop Effects i find it rather snappy [21:13] edman007: you in Florida yet? [21:13] zGhost, yes [21:13] yea [21:13] sweet [21:13] IceW (n=old-time@201-13-16-219.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:13] oh yea [21:13] TwinReverb: it's sYk0.. what have you been up to lately? [21:13] i'm on acefayookbay [21:13] Action: edman007 jumps through a wall [21:13] bbl [21:13] lol [21:13] zGhost, not much [21:13] macavity, oh that's good to hear. kde3 I find is that way too (below 600 kde not soo good, but above that I find kde3 fine) [21:13] Action: TwinReverb stabs edman007 [21:13] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:13] Oldway_Ogiefay: alein runs it on an atom, I dont knoe the clock speed. [21:13] Action: edman007 stabs TwinReverb [21:13] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:14] Nick change: andenScrewed -> MLanden [21:14] ow 8-( [21:14] XGizzmo, it's the same as my acer aspire one right? 800/1600 mhz ? [21:14] Nick change: zGhost -> sYk0 [21:14] Oldway_Ogiefay: its a bit slow on the startup side [21:14] macavity, ah ok [21:14] Oldway_Ogiefay: I think so. [21:14] that's fine tho. I cant wait to see it scale to the screen. [21:14] can only be screwed for so long [21:14] XGizzmo, cool [21:15] Oldway_Ogiefay: but once it's up and running it is nice and sorta fast [21:15] TwinReverb: I figure I'll group my old nick :D [21:15] TwinReverb, hehe [21:15] MLanden, apparently you're not military :) [21:15] alright, back to tv, bye [21:15] bye edman007 [21:15] TwinReverb: lol [21:15] macavity, I would think the dev's of kde4 are playing with netbooks , and would see that startup matter and adjust accordingly. at least I hope :) [21:15] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:16] TwinReverb: Thats why we always had the saying, Semper Gumby. [21:16] Oldway_Ogiefay: netbooks -> resume! [21:16] macavity, agreed [21:16] Meaning, Always Flexable [21:16] macavity, I aint rebooted my netbook in I dont know how long [21:16] Meaning, Grab your ankles and take the big green weenie. [21:16] Oldway_Ogiefay: and no, if they want all the super fancy metadata handling that makes KDE so inteligent, they have to spend the time somewere [21:16] Nick change: agentcway0eray -> agentc0re [21:17] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [21:17] Hey Rat409 [21:17] hey irefay-irdbay619 [21:17] macavity, ah I see what you're saying [21:18] later folks [21:18] Oldway_Ogiefay: i am really looking forward to KDE 4.5.x :P [21:18] later [21:18] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [21:18] macavity, yeah I'm waiting til' slack get's the 4.3 version, then I'm gonna try out kde4 on the netbook I think [21:18] Oldway_Ogiefay: or there abouts.. seriously, watch the google tech talk about the way KDE4 is put together [21:18] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] as soon as samba4 is prodoction ready i promise we will see some pretty serious shit [21:19] i didn't like how i have to enter my POP3 password more than once per session [21:19] but that said, if i had to keep my kde3 setup for another year,two, or even three I'd be fine. the apps do what I expect/need. [21:20] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [21:20] i'm hoping some of my favorite apps become kde4-friendly soon :( [21:20] TwinReverb, krusader is my biggest hold back atm. [21:20] mine is bibletime/kmymoney2 [21:20] krusader? [21:20] isnt that the mc clone? [21:21] TwinReverb, oh bibletime too is an issue too? oh yea then add that to my list. [21:21] macavity, it's a *fantastic* app. I'd buy it. [21:21] xfce ftw [21:22] Oldway_Ogiefay: and konq with the MC view profile doesnt cut it? [21:22] xfce wins but we still need kde apps [21:22] macavity, imo konqueror is the worst file manager known to man. [21:22] Oldway_Ogiefay: yakuake + mc? [21:22] lostnhell (n=lostnhel@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:22] who does? "we" don't need KDE apps [21:22] Oldway_Ogiefay: yakuake + irssi has become a way of life to me :P [21:22] macavity, it worked [21:22] it started out as a nice idea, but fell apart due to lack of file alteration monitoring [21:23] lostnhell: good :-) [21:23] macavity, I'm trying to build some of the older yakuakes' the latest one is so slow animation / glitchy wise for kde3 , dont know why. [21:23] lostnhell: now, XGizzmo had nice idea [21:23] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [21:23] dpd276 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [21:23] for me at leat [21:23] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [21:23] but I like yakuake, it's very nice. [21:23] macavity, what was his idea? [21:23] lostnhell: that is, load slackware64's lilo from the slackware32 lilo (chain loading) [21:24] brb [21:24] Oldway_Ogiefay (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [21:24] lostnhell: that way you dont have to boot slackware32 to update lilo every time you make kernel changes in slackware64 [21:24] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:25] macavity, I am more than content with this method, I can very qiuckly chroot into slack32 and make the changes from within 64 (slack32 is reiserfs) [21:25] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:26] wb Old_Fogie :) [21:26] now I only have to find out how to fix the akonadi problem in KDE4 [21:26] Nick change: irefay-irdbay619 -> firebird619 [21:26] Fold Ogie! [21:26] :) [21:26] Old_Fogie: wb [21:26] tino27 (n=Tino27@cpe-65-25-7-108.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:26] lostnhell: you do this by altering the lilo.conf of slackware64 to say boot = /dev/sda3, and alter the slackware64 section of the slackware32 lilo.conf to say table = /dev/sdb3 (just like the windows target) [21:27] macavity, I will keep this in mind for future revisions [21:27] lostnhell: but if the current method suits you fine, then all is good [21:27] exbio_ (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [21:27] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:27] lostnhell: but at least you learned a little about lilo's perspective on life in general :-) [21:28] lostnhell: personally, given the problem that the file names are identical for kernels on both 64 and 32, i would go with grub [21:28] lostnhell: since that makes a common /boot partition a little problematic.. especially if one wishes to run and test the Pat V blessed kernels [21:29] macavity, this makes me feel stupid, but whenever I come to the group with problems, it is always the result of assumptions... thank you for the help [21:29] lostnhell: "assumptions is the mother of all fsckups" :P [21:29] yes they are [21:31] no, human nature is the mother of all mistakes. assumptions are just one of the flavors human nature comes in [21:31] you could say ignorance is the mother of all mistakes too [21:33] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:33] Cryptic_Donkey (n=topgun17@adsl-11-226-85.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:33] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:34] ok, qemu needs to be booted with -usb to enable the usb driver :P [21:35] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] you would thank that would be default [21:35] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:36] lostnhell (n=lostnhel@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:37] s/thank/think [21:38] hta173 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:38] bht532 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:38] Nick change: bht532 -> qsk773 [21:38] IceW (n=old-time@201-13-16-219.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [21:39] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:39] If someone would like to updat the info file here, and check the perm's for proper Slackware use, here is what I have (and it does work for Slackware 12.1) and the script does work for their 1.3 version as well. So you can build both versions if need be : http://pastebin.com/d7bec2e79 [21:39] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [21:39] feel free to adopt it, submit it to SBo whichever. [21:39] that is 'torcs' racer game. [21:40] but like I said, someone smarter then me to needs to address the perms in /var [21:40] exbios__ (n=ada@189.179.4.251) joined ##slackware. [21:40] exbio_ (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:40] lostnhell (n=lostnhel@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] exbios__ (n=ada@189.179.4.251) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:42] oh it will work with plib-1.8.5 (and supertuxkart will build vs that) too. and I'm using openal-0.0.8 ; don't know if the newer openal works or not. [21:42] other than that it needs freeglut. so all depends are already at SBo [21:42] Mr_Patterson (i=a1b8ae81@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-967a9b307f89a2db) joined ##slackware. [21:42] enjoy :) [21:44] PC-BSD is *much* more freindly than FreeBSD [21:44] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [21:44] macavity, wow because that was SO *not* their goal! [21:44] I think FreeBSD is extremely friendly [21:44] you can do pkg_add -r [21:45] it will automatically fetch packages and their dependancies [21:45] Then.. use FreeBSD? [21:45] sYk0: i found the installer rather confusing... [21:45] only Arch has a worse installer :P [21:46] Slackware's is a walk in the park next to those [21:46] though, slackware would really benefit from hijacking the installer from PCBSD :P [21:47] Dominian: I'm just stating an opinion [21:47] how? [21:47] lol [21:47] PCBSD sucks [21:47] it doesn't even have a real boot loader >.> [21:47] openbsd ftw! :) if you need a bsd.... [21:48] it's BTX Loader, just not multiboot capable [21:48] yea lol [21:48] LinuxyErin: afaik it uses grub [21:48] no wait.. that was DesktopBSD [21:48] nm [21:48] yea i was about to say lol [21:48] i forgot about that one.. lets fetch some more isos :P [21:48] also kde 4 ftl :-p [21:49] lol [21:49] i have grown rather fond of kde4 [21:49] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:49] once i found out about setting the desktop to Folder View :P [21:49] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:49] wb hitest [21:49] ty, firebird619:) [21:50] macavity: isn't that the default? :) [21:50] thrice`: nope [21:50] where des slackware install its HOWTOs [21:50] pizzledizzle: /usr/doc/ [21:50] thx [21:50] hitest: qemu + mouseproblems is solved with "qemu -usb" :P [21:50] cool [21:50] macavity: oops, mis-read. [21:50] lostnhell (n=lostnhel@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:50] I wonder if I should install 12.2 now to try or wait for 13 [21:50] chasmo77 (n=chas@69.4.148.76) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [21:51] Mr_Patterson: install 12.2 now. Upgrade to 13.0 when it comes out. [21:51] LinuxyErin: PCBSD does have a boot loader really youjust have to manually install it :) [21:51] Mr_Patterson: I give up, which should you do? [21:51] lol [21:51] which is why slackware is superior :-p [21:51] danc3: I know I know! ;) install WinME, right? ;) [21:51] I usually use grub though instead of FreeBSD boot manager [21:51] BP{k}: heh, yeah that's the ticket [21:51] I'm actually on WinME right now! [21:51] lol eww [21:51] >_< [21:52] !ban Mr_Patterson [21:52] why are you on winme? lol [21:52] Mr_Patterson: is there anything we can do for you? [21:52] I need to wipe it to try 12.2 [21:52] git wipin [21:52] O_X [21:52] do, or do not, there is no try :P [21:52] lol [21:52] \o/ [21:52] kitche: I usually dual boot slack/fbsd and use lilo [21:52] Hey BP{k}, how are you? [21:52] wipe or wipe not, there is no fry [21:52] macavity: No. I'm basically just checking out the community. [21:52] well, alot of people try and $fail :( [21:52] macavity: no fry-up? [21:52] i guess that is the "do-not" [21:53] Mr_Patterson: you don't need no stinkin "community". Be a Slacker. [21:53] Mr_Patterson: we are a odd bunch.. mad as hatters the lot of us [21:53] Mr_Patterson: you have now been properly warned [21:53] lol [21:53] Happy Towel Day!! [21:53] macavity: lol [21:53] when I su from a username the coloring for the console goes away. Is there a way to fix this? [21:54] happycycling: 1) read su(1) 2) use "su -"3) read su(1) with said hint in mind and you will be enlightened. [21:54] Mr_Patterson: however, if you go your homework, and show that you have done a little reaserch on your own, we are generally a rather technically skilled group.. most questions regarding slackware and the use of unix tools can be answered here [21:54] BP{k}: Happy Towel Day to you as well. :) [21:54] use grsecurity.. all will be right with the world :P [21:54] Mr_Patterson: we dont have much patience with the impatient though :P [21:55] macavity: And Yoda fans as well, I take it. :P [21:55] BP{k}: Don't Panic [21:55] Mr_Patterson: and we dont have much patience with people who dont want to read manuals when pointed to them [21:55] MLanden: No worries, I have my trusty towel right here. :) [21:55] Mr_Patterson: fans of good laughs in general, thus speaking yodish too :P [21:55] macavity: I actually expect that from any Linux community. [21:56] Learn quick this one does... yes [21:56] Mr_Patterson: ok then, get to installing [21:56] 'm/ O m ... just be a mo.......<> [21:56] Mr_Patterson: oh.. just go to ##ubuntu and watch the madness unfold :P [21:56] Dominian: but he is not a slacker .. yet. [21:56] the way of the dark path is everything else. [21:56] BP{k}: lol [21:56] BP{k}: you get the chamber ready for him.. i love initiations! [21:56] the force is strong with him [21:57] Swaret; slaptget;linuxpackages.net. The dark side of the Source are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in a install. If once you start down the dark path, forever will it consume your boxen, borken them it will [21:57] Mr_Patterson: you dont mind that we come over for coffee to see what kind of person you are before we let you in, right? [21:57] lol [21:57] haha [21:57] BP{k}++ [21:57] heh, the MTV channel is showing the original Star Wars movie(s) as we speak... [21:57] really? [21:57] I can't get Linux Firefox to work. But Wine Firefox works just fine. [21:57] Action: macavity throws himself after the remote [21:57] ouch.. [21:57] 2they been showing star wars all day yesterday started at 5 pm [21:57] sYk0: yup, watching it now [21:57] why does that only work in the movies?!? [21:57] BP{k}: I have done some reading, and for me I'll probably just stick with the official tools and grab SlackBuilds where I can. [21:58] :D \o/ [21:58] macavity: special effects? :P [21:58] firebird619: special floors it seems... [21:58] mmmmmmmmm Princess Leia [21:58] ah...yes that's it. :) [21:58] princess layher [21:58] danc3: hear ya....@O_O@ [21:59] Mr_Patterson: oh, since you have uncovered the secret power that is known as RTFM, i have a handy tip for you: sbopkg [22:00] Mr_Patterson: that makes dealing with slackbuilds a walk in the park... especially when building things with lots of dependencies [22:00] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] macavity: Okay. I'll check that out. Thanks. :) [22:00] Action: danc3 saw the new Star Wars movie yesterday, thought it was pretty decent. [22:00] wotch andarius :) [22:00] eh? [22:00] blobAndConquer[7615]: segfault at 4d0 ip b797d766 sp bfc14550 error 4 in libX11.so.6.2.0 [22:00] which one? [22:00] clone wars? [22:00] wotcha BP{k} :) [22:00] greetings andarius, how are you? [22:00] anyone play this game? have an idea why it plays fine, but when exits, it segfaults in console only? [22:00] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [22:01] salutations firebird619, I am well. how are you ? [22:01] doing excellent, thank you. :) [22:01] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [22:01] Old_Fogie: it is biased towards konsole :P [22:01] heya,andarius [22:01] Dominian: err, sorry, meant to say STAR TREK [22:01] macavity, :) [22:01] salutations MLanden [22:01] yeah the game plays perfectly too, it's quite odd [22:01] hehe [22:02] it's only shown in dmesg, if you never looked in dmesg, you'd never know it's segfaulting on exit [22:02] Old_Fogie: perhaps the devs never did :P [22:02] macavity, perhaps, heh [22:02] Old_Fogie: so, push bug report [22:02] yeah I think I will [22:03] it's a funny game, ever played it? [22:03] if you are realy luckey it will generate an "ahh, nice.. wait.. that explains why foo always is bar on baz!" [22:03] not for kids or work, but it's good [22:03] qsk773 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:03] naa.. i am not much into games [22:03] partly because Gallium3D isnt done yet :P [22:03] oh. you dont wanna know how many I got here for slack :) [22:03] playing anything on intel 945 these days == borken [22:04] I've almost got alien arena from source :) [22:04] I finished nexuiz from source (what a pain) [22:04] anyone here play online poker for fun? [22:04] slackbuilds my freind.. slackbuilds [22:04] sYk0: you dont play poker for fun.. you play poker for money :P [22:04] no time to be admin...hence why I post the scripts and ask for someone to adopt [22:04] unixfool (i=4421c1cc@about/slackware/wigglit) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [22:04] sYk0: I have done so in the past. [22:05] macavity: online poker you can play for fun [22:05] Old_Fogie: old slacker :P [22:05] sYk0: i know, it was a joke [22:05] [ laugh ] [22:05] I was curious if there were any sites that are decent and work under Linux [22:05] macavity: hehe sorry [22:05] macavity, I have no formal IT training, I'm just a guy who figured out some apps, ya know. I cant be an admin even if I had time, imo. [22:06] Old_Fogie: if the scrap builds on a clean install of the latest official slackware release, your arse is on the high grounds [22:06] like that torcs, I can get it to run..but it needs a more advanced/knowledgeable Slacker to review it for SBo's purposes for mass deployment ya know. [22:06] Well, hopefully someone will spot ya Old_Fogie....:D [22:06] I hope so it's a good game. [22:06] Old_Fogie: the review will be done by someone else [22:06] geif torcs slackbuild :P [22:07] what am i to play with when i am tired of attempting to fix libtool? [22:07] macavity, I pastebin'd it above fyi [22:07] i can haz to sbopkg it *sob-sob-sob* :P [22:07] sYk0: I don't think there are any decent linux client out there. Some of them offer a java/flash based solution though. [22:07] Action: macavity pokes some more shame and guilt at Old_Fogie [22:08] macavity, hahah :) [22:08] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:08] Old_Fogie: how am i doing? [22:08] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:08] zamotcr (n=michael@201.198.83.226) joined ##slackware. [22:08] Old_Fogie: if you need help with the bash-fu, all you gotta do is ask [22:08] I wish SBo had an "upload your scripts for adoption here cuz your either (a) too lazy or (b) too busy (c) a noob" [22:09] Old_Fogie: you know you have a cart blanc to bashistic support from me :P [22:09] hi :) [22:09] macavity, that torcs, the world writable on that is my concern there. [22:09] Old_Fogie: is there a world writeable? [22:09] Old_Fogie: the score file? [22:09] there is no clearly definined way for /var stuff of games. whethere it be chown root:games , or what not [22:09] macavity, yea [22:09] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-35-37.lns3.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] build it, you'll see [22:10] why slackware is better than debian? im planning moving [22:10] thats' the problem with a lot of games I see [22:10] Old_Fogie: URL to current version of slackbuild again? [22:10] I have abot 30 games that are not at SBo at this time. and they all face that issue [22:10] http://pastebin.com/d7bec2e79 [22:11] you could ask rworkman et all for a common solution to the problem [22:12] yea some games install in /usr/games and is owned by root:games. so that raises the issue, do we ask users to make themselves in the games group or what? and the perms on /var ..root:games there too? I dunno. the games for linux / w.r.t perm's there's no standard that the linux game dev community seems to adhere by (or I'm missing somethign) [22:12] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-223.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:12] uhm just make it 770 root:users [22:12] then none of the service accounts can touch it [22:13] yea but some games still fail, like kobodelux [22:13] O_o [22:13] exactly [22:14] well.. i guess that the games group is there for a reason [22:14] that's the way I look at it too. [22:15] anyone in here play OpenArena? [22:15] I usually do my game scripts, such that if they want /var/games/appname then it's root:games on that dir in /var/games [22:15] sYk0, yup , tho I'm not good at it :) [22:15] what do you guys use for anti-spam on slackware? [22:16] nooper: gmail :P [22:16] macavity: i mean on slackware [22:16] bogofilter is nice [22:16] for a standalone box [22:16] nooper: honnestly, that is how i got around it.. make a gmail account and use it with kmail :P [22:16] spamassassin isn't bad for stand-alone box if you build it for that [22:16] for mail server a few apps, but that's a whole nother ball of wax [22:16] fire-and-forget :P [22:17] granted my mail is on a server that uses spamassassin so i don't have to, i just include a kmail rule to read for the X-Spam-Flag [22:17] Postfix and http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt (basically, Zen and HELO checks for most of it) [22:17] TwinReverb, yup [22:17] and the X-virus one (or whatever it's called) [22:17] I forget :) [22:18] Hey guys, what command do I run to check how big a folder is? [22:18] du -h --max-depth=1 [22:18] cylux, du -sh directory [22:18] thats what I use [22:19] zamotcr (n=michael@201.198.83.226) left ##slackware ("Saliendo"). [22:19] or you could use Old_Fogie's method - alot easier [22:19] macavity: I use a gmail account with tbird and IMAP, works well [22:19] well your name is complex :) [22:19] compl3x: Any of those example from that website help ya? [22:20] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:21] MLanden: nope ]= gave up for today :/ [22:21] compl3x: sorry to hear...Always a later time...:D [22:22] MLanden: yep [= [22:22] hitest: aye.. i just use POP, as i am not always near internet, and i like to grep around in my 500MB mailing list "archive" :P [22:23] Old_Fogie: you mentioned gqview couple days ago? [22:23] Old_Fogie: honestly, i think you sould ask Patrick about getting some real policy going on the matter [22:23] Old_Fogie: all the kde game thingies dont have root:games [22:24] Old_Fogie: etc etc.. really, go pester him with question untill he makes up a rule we can all follow and preach to eachother ;-) [22:24] mirage is a good light alternative,but i use this also http://sourceforge.net/projects/geeqie/. an actively developed gqview fork [22:25] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] lostnhell (n=lostnhel@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:26] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:26] KDE4 is weird [22:26] has more features also. good for an xfce environ,course i use feh too [22:26] elemenohpee (n=raf@cpe-98-150-134-16.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:27] Rat409, I don't remember mentioning it, but I use that app alot tho. [22:28] lostnhell: really, once you get used to it, it is really nice [22:28] [ in bed ] [22:28] lostnhell: i cursed like hell at it in the beginning too (ok, i am not the most adaptable person in the world) [22:28] just figured i'd pass it on fwiw [22:28] very nice and fast [22:29] ah ok. [22:29] ok, installing crap in virtual machines is dog slow :P [22:29] seriously [22:29] I like the rename tool. Tho, wish you could tell it which of the drop-down box for autorename styles available you want as your default. [22:29] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:30] macavity, I have tried it a few times and each time I walked away angry ... I will play with it a bit and see how it is. [22:30] macavity, disk thruput on vm's are deplorable I find too [22:30] macavity, are you affiliated with SlackBuilds? [22:30] lostnhell: nope [22:30] lostnhell: ask in #slackbuilds [22:30] :P [22:30] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: ""bb"" [22:31] Old_Fogie: I found that on a normal machine, virtio_blk isn't really much of a win either. [22:32] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:32] Old_Fogie: deplorable is an understatement when you also have the .iso file on that same physical drive :-/ [22:33] yup [22:33] Old_Fogie: i max this bucket out at ~49MB/s as it is... [22:33] sYk0 (i=zachary@unaffiliated/zghost) left irc: [22:35] i just changed network settings with netconfig. how do i make them take effect now? [22:35] without restarting system [22:35] pizzledizzle: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart [22:36] or specifiy the interface so lo and the rest stays up [22:36] like "/etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 eth0_restart" [22:36] my hostname isn't changing for some reason [22:36] pizzledizzle: hostname [22:37] which config file has hostname? [22:37] don't worry about that now. [22:37] pizzledizzle: hostname [22:37] that worked but which config file stores hostname? [22:37] /etc/HOSTNAME [22:38] oh thats what it was. i was looking for lowercase heh [22:38] thanks [22:41] kokoko1 (n=askar@203.99.174.8) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:43] tino27 (n=Tino27@cpe-65-25-7-108.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:44] sup thumbs [22:44] do the java picture uploading applications used by facebook and myspace cause anyone's firefox to lock up? [22:45] not mine [22:45] hi nix_chix0r, how are you? [22:45] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:45] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [22:45] take care,folks...good luck in all life's endeavors [22:45] gn MLanden [22:45] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-113-111.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [22:45] TwinReverb: iirc i think it's actually flash on the facebook site. [22:45] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:46] elemenohpee (n=raf@cpe-98-150-134-16.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [22:46] mine doesn't lock until i go to upload photos. on facebook i can use the java thingy the first time but after that (uploading more) it locks. myspace's java app does it every time. [22:46] firebird619, in a cuddly mood so pretty great,you [22:46] scratch that, both work the first time, lock on subsequent times [22:47] nix_chix0r: doing excellent, thank you. :) [22:47] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:47] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:49] do you guys recommend the slackbook 2.0 PDF for a good starting point on learning about unix or is there other resources you recommend? [22:49] happycycling: www.slackbook.org is a great place to start yes. :) [22:49] happycycling: check /topic [22:50] Mr_Patterson (i=a1b8ae81@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-967a9b307f89a2db) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [22:50] I've been reading through it and I'm stuck on the LILO portion. Do you have to install LILO on the MBR of the physical disk windows is located on? [22:51] my current lilo points to the correct windows partition, but nothing happens during excutition [22:52] theres a helecoptor flying over my house.. [22:52] I'M BEING INVADED OH NO [22:52] happycycling, can you paste your lilo.conf file in pastebin, and explain how the partitions are laid out? [22:52] nix_chix0r, take out an RPG and blast it out of the sky [22:52] sure, how do I use paste bin? [22:52] nix_chix0r: oh noes, you've been found. [22:52] nix_chix0r, don't be scared, maybe there is a 'cuddly mood' like you too :) [22:52] lol [22:52] hahahah [22:52] happycycling: pastebin.slackadelic.com [22:53] that's the longest, most unnecessary link for pastebin i've ever seen [22:53] i'd rather paste it in the channel then have to type up that address all the time [22:53] heh [22:53] lol [22:53] jeev, most terminals allow click on link to open in brower tho [22:54] what if you want to go there though [22:54] without the terminal [22:54] without bookmarking it [22:54] ;D [22:54] that was a pretty long pastbin firebird619 you would almost havet o use tinurl just for the link [22:54] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14094 [22:54] my terminal launches opera for me [22:54] my terminal launches ie, firefox, opera and safari AT THE SAME TIME [22:54] nix_chix0r: haha, that's the one I always use. :P [22:54] jeev: As far as i am concerned if you want to make it harder on yourself, so be it. Just don't complain about it :P [22:54] Action: compl3x still copys and pastes links from irsii [22:54] irssi* [22:54] compl3x, really? [22:54] Old_Fogie: opera ftw!!! [22:54] firebird619, ++ [22:54] for the weirdo's? [22:55] :D [22:55] har har hardeee har har [22:55] Old_Fogie: I got opera set up for gmail now via imap. :) [22:55] agentc0re, nothing is hard for me [22:55] lostnhell (n=lostnhel@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:55] oh yea, just one thing. keeping girls away since i'm taken [22:55] firebird619, i use either webmail, or mutt for my imap :) [22:55] firebird619, I use 'egroupware' [22:55] anyone got link clicking in irssi? [22:55] gosh, I've never used mutt. [22:56] compl3x, yup [22:56] compl3x: that depends on the terminal, not irssi [22:56] compl3x, you're making me feel like you're not interested. [22:56] works in konsole, gnome-terminal, xfterm [22:56] Action: agentc0re pictured scooby with the "gosh" statement. [22:56] works in sakura too [22:56] Groshhh Old_Fogie! [22:56] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.233.162) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:56] hahaha [22:56] agentc0re, ? [22:56] Action: agentc0re makes scooby noises [22:56] that pastbin link contains my lilo setup [22:56] firebird619: eterm :p [22:56] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.233.162) joined ##slackware. [22:56] compl3x: it don't work there. [22:57] that I know of [22:57] firebird619: oh well :p [22:57] how do i check if i have a certain package ? [22:57] Old_Fogie: so you use egroupware for your personal e-mail with either mutt or webmail? [22:57] lw0x15: ls /var/log/packages*package_name_here* [22:57] firebird619, I use egroupware for everything [22:58] cheers [22:58] damn firebird619 beet me [22:58] lw0x15: whoops. ls /var/log/packages/*package_name_here* [22:58] firebird619, mutt reads the same imap folders as my lamp/egroupware [22:58] forgot the / :P [22:58] lw0x15: or ls /var/log/packages/* | grep package_name [22:59] Old_Fogie: Hmm, ok. I've been using opera mail, then I've been messing with claws-mail again lately, and then Kmail a bit too. I prefer the MH or Maildir formats which opera unfortunately doesn't support. [23:00] and now with opera 10, they've changed their e-mail format YET AGAIN. [23:00] firebird619: heh, I am torn between kmail and claws. [23:00] firebird619, yea I've never used opera for mail. So I don't know what it supports. But since I have a lamp running, I just log into my egroupware there in opera. But many times, I just use mutt for email as well. [23:01] firebird619, clawsmail is very nice, but it has horrible address book I find. [23:01] kmail ftw [23:01] BP{k}: yeah, same here. from what I've read, Maildir has a few more benefits as far as locking the file, etc but both MH and Maildir are good, better than mbox imho. Claws-mail wins in speed though imo. [23:01] firebird619, clawsamil suffers from the same developer ignorance that people want to use their addresses throughout their workflow. [23:01] and lack of calendar too. [23:02] I need a PIM...not just email only for my needs. [23:02] Old_Fogie: looked at kontact then> [23:02] s/>/? [23:02] yup it's very good for sure. [23:02] macavity: yes, kmail is extremely nice. I wish they wouldn't have removed the option to tar up the email though. :( [23:03] since I have the extra box to run as lamp, I have no use for kontact day in/out. [23:03] firebird619: I am not fond of the rss reader in claws. [23:03] firebird619: request it back [23:03] but if I didnt have a lamp, then yea kontact would be what I use. [23:03] 4:02 AM - hmm I need sleep [23:03] BP{k}: no, their rss reader sucks I think. [23:03] firebird619: it may have been shaved in the 3->4 transistion [23:03] compl3x: good night [23:03] *transition [23:03] firebird619: good morning you mean XD [23:03] I do use kontact tho, to get the contacts out of the egroupware to my handheld device tho [23:03] gm152_ (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] actually ..egroupware--->kontact via syncml --> evolution ---> handheld [23:04] firebird619: its sorta okay, but I hate it when it suddenly marks whole stuff as "new" [23:04] firebird619: or maybe it is because they want it akonadi based, which probably have some even nicer feature for that [23:04] firebird619: eg, auto compressing stuff that hasnt been touched for a long time [23:04] macavity: I've only used 3.5.10. I'm not sure when it was removed though. I asked in #kde and the only response was put all your mail in Local Folders and then go to ~/.kde/blah/ and tar it up. :P [23:04] oh well [23:05] macavity: yeah, that could be the reasoning, getting prepared for it being akonadi based. [23:05] ... [23:05] txz format? [23:05] BP{k}: agreed, that bugs me too. :) [23:05] yes [23:05] txz format [23:05] is that based on that stupid experimental version of lzma? [23:05] PeanutHorst: a new compression technique using lzma. [23:06] PeanutHorst: go complain to Partick about it [23:06] BP{k}: What do you use currently, one of those two? [23:06] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:06] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [23:07] firebird619: kontact for my main email and SBo accounts. [23:07] ok PC-BSD has as predictable progress bars as winsloth [23:07] and claws for a couple of other accounts. [23:07] its it was on 99% *before* it started installing ports :P [23:07] lymeca (n=lymeca@dsl-74-220-76-19.dhcp.cruzio.com) joined ##slackware. [23:07] and what do ya know.. its still there X-) [23:07] kontact is awesome for imap! I find tho. man they did that right. the only other app I know of that handles imap right (besides mutt) is the old netscap v 7 for windows [23:07] happycycling (n=john@174-23-122-115.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:07] umislack (i=1000@58.64.90.192) joined ##slackware. [23:08] BP{k}: heh, yeah I haven't really for sure settled on just one, so I have them all set to leave mail on server (isp doesn't support imap) and then I switch amongst them all. :P [23:08] Action: LSD` can't stand IMAP [23:08] Old_Fogie: imap works for calender and stuff too, right? [23:08] macavity, yes [23:08] tho kontact has bad support for that in kde 3 series [23:09] ok [23:09] you're better off with syncml then [23:09] to a lamp [23:09] lamp -> linux+apache+mysql+php [23:09] BP{k}: I've seen, when searching google, that some people just use gmail and get their isp mail via gmail and then use imap with whatever e-mail client, but I don't think I really want the almighty google having ALL my mail. :P [23:09] ? [23:09] macavity, yes. I use 'egroupware' it works splendid with kontact in kde 3 series. [23:09] LSD` : why don't you like imap? [23:09] what the hell is lamp [23:09] i hear about it all the time [23:10] edwarent (n=edward@190.69.238.13) joined ##slackware. [23:10] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-226.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:10] macavity, tho I dont use kontact as I prefer the web interface of egroupware, kontact in kde3 series works great with egroupware [23:10] ananke: It's too much of a pain in the ass for that little bit of convenience you get from it [23:10] jeev: that was just answered above. :) [23:10] no [23:10] he said -> [23:10] not = [23:10] firebird619: I do like the way claws deals with multiple accounts [23:10] macavity, I'm using courrier-imap, postfix,procmail, mysql, egroupware,apache [23:10] BP{k}: yeah, it handles those pretty well. [23:10] and ofcourse all the mail filtering stuff [23:11] postfix rulezes! [23:11] A lamp is a light that sits on a table. Don't believe those others. [23:11] hahaha [23:11] LSD` : pain for whom, the administrator or user? i find it interesting, since i don't know many people who feel that way about imap [23:11] macavity, kde 3 series kontact imo still blows away evolution for integrating with egroupware, or citadel [23:11] jeev, but it does = he just used -> instead [23:11] rob0, i dont believe anything firebird619 says, he reminds me of the knight rider [23:11] yea i know jescis [23:11] evolution is buggy as all can be, with imap [23:11] Ugh, evolution, just Ugh. :P [23:11] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-67-124-150-194.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:11] knight rider lied to me about super boost mode! [23:12] Old_Fogie: license? [23:12] firebird619, agreed, but thought I'd mention it [23:12] macavity, http://www.egroupware.org/ [23:12] ah crap, its propietary [23:12] jeev: reread above, macavity asked what lamp was and gave linux+apache+mysql+php, to which Old_Fogie responded yes. To me, that's a definitive answer. [23:13] If you don't believe that, google it. [23:13] Old_Fogie, firebird619: yeah, I also dislike evolution. I like tbird [23:13] yes i googled it [23:13] w imap [23:13] but still, you are MEAN [23:13] I don't like tbird, uses mbox for storage. [23:13] jeev: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAMP_(software_bundle) [23:13] liars. [23:14] not me!? [23:14] i love the smell of my camel 99s when i first open em [23:14] hitest, I think evolution is gorgous tho, it's on the right path. but they fail at imap, and they fail really bad at ldap I find too. But maybe in time, it is a complete rewrite their doing so in time I should think it'd be nice. [23:14] everyone is a liar! [23:14] Ugh, I've been converting VBox vdi's to qemu, my free space has disappeared now, down to 35 GB. [23:14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamp_(fixture) [23:15] see, rob0 isnt lying [23:15] lol firebird619 my laptop only has 40gb [23:15] I only lie when I'm afraid of consequences. [23:15] jescis, hahah [23:15] nix_chix0r: free space or total drive size? [23:15] i only lie when i want to be mean to people [23:15] .. which means all the time [23:15] lol [23:15] MUUHAHAHAHAR! [23:15] macavity: that explains so much. :) [23:15] firebird619: yes it does, doesnt it :P [23:16] total [23:16] you know, i never used to lie [23:16] until i met this one guy [23:16] he was so freaking stupid and annoying.. i started to lie [23:16] i came up with "i'm in vegas for the next 2 weeks" [23:16] at bang camp? [23:16] macavity, just in case you didn't see that link there "eGroupWare is licensed under the GNU General Public License (GPL)." [23:16] no [23:16] he drives a "one of a kind" bmw.. [23:16] and wouldn't pay me $125/hour [23:16] its an old hp, very slim though under 10lbs ha ha ha [23:16] macavity, so it's a very restrictive license, hope you can deal with it :) [23:16] he tried to give me $25/hour [23:16] but it was a freebie [23:16] Old_Fogie: oh, nice, i just saw that trial and crap edition [23:16] i told him i'm not a geeksquadron employee [23:16] nix_chix0r: Ah, I don't have a laptop, but my desktop is a 640 GB hdd, /home is a 500 GB partition and the free space is down to 35 GB thanks to VBox and qemu. [23:17] macavity, it's nicely done, meets my expectations. [23:17] i have a hard time not buying one of those mini laptops every time i go to the store [23:17] the only thing that stops me thus far is that the only one available is an HP [23:17] TwinReverb, they suck because they're uncomfortable. [23:17] Old_Fogie: it is restrictive in the same sense as a masterly crafted bondage.. tight and pleasant ;-) [23:17] nix_chix0r: a freebie laptop. You lucky.... :) [23:17] macavity, :) [23:17] i like the thought of mini laptops, i can't even use my 12.1 cause it cramps and hurts my hands. [23:17] geeksquadron XD [23:17] macavity, but a one to two user setup can run on as low as 600 mhz and be usable fwiw. [23:17] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "[BX] mIRCrap: JUST DON'T DO IT!" [23:18] stupid geek squadron [23:18] Old_Fogie: nice [23:18] Old_Fogie: what PDA/smart phone would you reccomend in such a setup? [23:18] macavity, just grab an old p3 from somewhere, with about 384 mb ram or more, and you'll be fine. [23:18] low power consumption, no noise, good to go. [23:18] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:18] Old_Fogie: i would really like some auto syncing via gprs going on [23:18] the mysql whacks the ram I find. [23:19] jeev, I hate 'em too :)(also microshaft and radioshack) [23:19] Old_Fogie: preferably push rather than poll [23:19] I had tried it with lighthttpd but it doesnt work right. [23:19] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [23:19] radioshack is evil [23:19] fwiw making slackware use less RAM is usually as simple as specifying size=1% option to tmpfs mount point (assuming when you do "df -h" it's never used) [23:19] g night folks.....I'm sleepy:) [23:19] night hitest [23:19] night hitest [23:19] hitest isn't going to sleep. [23:19] hes lying. [23:19] macavity, if you're doing handhelds, this "seems" nice, but I've yet to get it working http://www.funambol.com/ [23:19] night macavity, firebird619 [23:20] brb [23:20] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [23:20] macavity, it's "over my head under my feet" [23:20] jeev: lol [23:20] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:20] funambol is a pain, especially if you want to do ssl [23:20] ananke, yea I'm lost. I've read the docs 4 times. I even tried it on a windows host..and I was just lost. [23:20] in addition to a lin host [23:20] nix_chix0r: How'd you get a free laptop? I just missed a free one the other day. They told about it on the news (it was legit) and by the time I looked (right away) it was gone. [23:21] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:21] firebird619, a guy gave it to me [23:21] macavity: You ever loaded osol in a vm? Does it take forever and a day to start up? [23:21] firebird619, probably because nix_chix0r was the one who got it ;) [23:21] Old_Fogie: in the ideal situation i would like to run KDE4 on both a PDA/Smartphone and the workstation [23:21] firebird619: osol? [23:21] Old_Fogie : yeah. we put in quite a bit of time, to realize it's just too much of a pain in the neck. we basically tell people these days to NOT get treos, etc [23:21] lol yeah! [23:21] nix_chix0r, what did you do to him, i mean give [23:22] nix_chix0r: nice. [23:22] macavity: OpenSolaris [23:22] Old_Fogie: the GF *really* needs something like this [23:22] firebird619: ive never even seen screen shots of it :P [23:22] jeev, nothing thats the weird thing [23:22] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:22] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:22] nix_chix0r, hmm.. maybe he does things to you from home [23:22] i didnt have to show my boobies [23:22] does he have pics of you showing him boobs? [23:22] macavity: haha, ok. [23:22] or someone else, that leaked to him / [23:22] ananke: is that your final verdict? [23:22] macavity, understood [23:22] i love treo [23:23] nix_chix0r: lol. If you'd have done that, maybe you'd have got two laptops. :P [23:23] i duno maybe he was lending to me and never asked for it back? [23:23] haha [23:23] but it's been two years [23:23] and i took ubuntu off it [23:23] ananke: no usable groupware on PDA/smartphone if the other end has to be non-ms-exchange? [23:23] nix_chix0r, what if he comes back to you and requests sexual favors [23:23] she'll hit him over the head with the laptop. :P [23:23] i'm married now so unless the huby sells me no dice [23:23] haha [23:24] if it was george clooney he'd just have to live with me having some fun with him [23:24] Old_Fogie : ironically enough, the easiest solution to get working with our zimbra is iphone. that thing just works like a charm, calendar/e-mail/etc [23:24] mmm [23:24] macavity, I'll be honest with you, PDA's synchronizing with linux is a true barrier obstacle to mass deployment by business. Tho linux is in phones..they sync to outlook in windows..it's like a rule of thumb. But getting a handheld to sync to a linux host..is a bear. [23:24] nix_chix0r: how much does huby think you're worth, dollars and cents wise? :P [23:24] i've got like 29 bux in my paypal account [23:24] firebird619, probally in the billions? [23:24] haha [23:24] billions of what [23:24] remember, billions of ZMK? [23:24] 1 billion ZMK, i make that a day [23:24] JPY [23:25] nix_chix0r: Oh wow, he values you greatly, he's a keeper. [23:25] Action: nix_chix0r snickers [23:25] macavity, tho I'm no IT pro such as ananke or others, really buying a handheld or a phone,and sync to linux is a true pita. I cant even imagine what a company has to do. [23:25] wow, clevelands gonna lose [23:25] or should I say...what they gotta pay to get it to work and be supported. [23:25] 1 billion Zambia kwacha = 196 000 U.S. dollars [23:25] jeev: that ain't so bad. :P [23:25] ig [23:25] oh [23:25] slipshot (n=slipshot@pool-70-110-8-113.roa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:26] yea i make that much a year not a day lol] [23:26] could you imagine going there with 5grand haha [23:26] macavity, imo the FSF and linuxfoundation should really be pushing that , more so than PDF. [23:26] you could buy the country and remodel it [23:26] does SLACKWARE support openbox window manager? [23:26] heh [23:26] Old_Fogie: yes [23:26] be like hey i'm jeev i own zambia [23:26] the only country you could buy is the u.s. [23:26] haha [23:26] slipshot: yes, you can use openbox. [23:27] It doesn't come with slackware though [23:27] just hope some one doesn't come buy with 5,001 [23:27] jeev: soon you can get the US for a buck. :P [23:27] how do i get it? [23:27] firebird619, a buck, it's going for 50 cents right now [23:27] nobody wants to pick up the debt! [23:27] blame canada! [23:27] slipshot: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=openbox&sv=12.2 [23:28] thanks firebird619 [23:28] jeev: I know, it'll appreciate a bit before the major decline. [23:28] macavity, yea I find it ironic, you can go to the store, buy a phone or PDA with linux embedded into it, go home and sync to your windows box in minutes...but you can't sync it to a linux box. really a shame, imo these corporations totally ignoring linux..when they run linux. [23:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:30] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [23:30] i'm thinking patrick should seriously research how much tmpfs space is needed by typical systems and limit it to that, not the default 1/2 of system RAM [23:31] Old_Fogie: they just consider embedded GNU/Linux systems "a free (as in beer) firmware, with annoyances less than the cost of in house development" [23:31] TwinReverb, well you can as the admin specify it in /etc/fstab fyi [23:31] macavity, yea it's a shame. [23:31] mrselfpwn (i=1000@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [23:32] yes but i'm hoping to avoid a potential rotten-apple experience for those of us with not so much RAM upon first boot of slackware after installation [23:32] or ignorant "omg! slackware uses tons of ram!" thing [23:32] Old_Fogie: egroupware looks intriguing. [23:33] . [23:33] fwiw from wiki "In small memory systems, locking too large tmp data in memory with the sticky bit may be used to cause system instability as temporary data grows" [23:33] well by definition, tmpfs doesn't use any ram til you ask it to. so on first boot of slackware, nothing uses tmpfs. so you cant have anything using it on first initial boot. [23:33] hey antiwire, how's it going? [23:33] chilling [23:33] Old_Fogie: well.. when samba4, and hence openchange, reach production quality, "someone" is about to take a nasty fall :P [23:33] antiwire: seen anymore about pidgin's encryption being broke? [23:34] we had a wild bore come into the camp and rape out trash barrel [23:34] macavity, let's hope [23:34] :) [23:34] out/our [23:34] well ya'll i hear SLCKWARE is for the pro's and i want to give it a shot, but at the same time i would like to have openbox as default window manager [23:34] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:34] Old_Fogie: getting the blackberry to work with "our own servers" would be nice [23:34] antiwire: wow. [23:34] antiwire: a wild "bore", eh? What, a Windoze user? [23:35] wow i didn't even notice that misspelling [23:35] macavity, certainly would help for sure [23:35] danc3: ...boar [23:35] Arenics (n=Administ@unaffiliated/arenics) joined ##slackware. [23:35] but thanks..yeah [23:35] antiwire: are you sure it wasn't a sow? [23:35] toss off [23:35] lol [23:36] Visualize whirled peas. [23:36] touchy little feller, eh? [23:37] Old_Fogie: if we run openchange on our servers, and use akonadi to translate into whatever format people prefere, great things can be accomplished [23:37] zlinux[] (n=zlinux@79.172.166.16) left irc: Connection timed out [23:37] Old_Fogie: and migration from outlook becomes gradual [23:38] anyhow.. time to sleep [23:40] macavity: Only problem is users sucks. [23:40] s/sucks/suck [23:40] Action: PeanutHorst bounces over to nix_chix0r and huggles and *hugs* [23:40] they'll complain and complain until, outlook comes back. [23:40] PeanutHorst, !!! [23:40] i fluffle you [23:41] agentc0re: seriously, kontact is a lot easier to deal with [23:41] o_O [23:41] agentc0re: and i know people who, despite having used it for years, hate outlook with a passion [23:41] naked mile is so retarded [23:41] 03:38 < macavity> anyhow.. time to sleep [23:42] that is, rather clueless users who think that "windows" and "computers" is the same [23:42] hmm somethings being written to / from my removable hardrive - anyway I can find out what it is? [23:42] rob0: year well.. GF is not ready yet, so i might as well pester you guys with idle talk [23:42] :) [23:42] compl3x: lsof [23:42] well go get her ready :P [23:42] macavity: she needs to warm up or what? [23:42] like a diesel [23:42] flap those wings! [23:42] macavity: cheers [23:42] she needs to get her head out of wikipedia [23:42] she's got glow plugs [23:43] lol [23:43] tug boat! [23:43] bug toat? [23:43] macavity: ssh root@gfcomputer "shutdown" ;) [23:43] BP{k}: naa.. i plan on getting laid instead :P [23:43] try crawling up a chicken's ass and wait [23:44] :) [23:44] /clear for that one :P could ruin your chances. :P [23:44] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:44] nope [23:44] she know i'm a pervert :P [23:46] i despise directv now [23:46] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:46] yo BP{k} :] [23:47] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-214-74.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:47] nix_chix0r, how come? [23:47] Old_Fogie: so, with 'pig' is there away to translate it backwards from pig-Latin to english? [23:48] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [23:48] Old_Fogie, we generally rent a ppv movie once a week and record it to the dvr and the past 4days they've been saying they are updating their systems and it'll be a few hours. but that's been every time i call in. and i can't order one [23:49] agentc0re, there's an rpig package you can build but it's not in slack [23:49] lw0x15: howdy :) [23:49] nix_chix0r, ah I see. [23:49] hey.. müsli with honey and milk is amazingly good :-) [23:49] Old_Fogie, i wanted to watch 7pounds or mall cop:( [23:49] nix_chix0r, I say, get the movie from your local library, and put the money you spend for movies into a college fund for the 'wee one' there :) [23:50] Heh, i put the same message in there over and over and it just adds waywaywaywayway to the end. [23:50] not always ;) [23:50] nix_chix0r, I'm an old fart I know, I know [23:50] our library has suckass movies. if i want to watch conair i'd just hook up the vcr [23:50] or just support your big local pirate machine :P [23:50] lol [23:50] I saw Terminator today. Was pretty good. [23:51] pretty good, or "ok, i wasnt bored"? [23:51] the tv selection recently is lacking 200channels and nothing on but repeats [23:51] I think i liked Star Trek better though. [23:51] But the Wolverine movie blew ass chunks. [23:51] what is an ass chunk? [23:51] is that good or bad? [23:51] macavity, agreed, I'm confused on that [23:52] ahahah i want to meet bob from the enzyte commercials.. meet chubby santa [23:52] macavity: I liked it a lot. Was good, packed with action. Kept me on my toes. [23:52] ask him if his wife does the herpese commercials [23:52] agentc0re: nice [23:52] I got most of what I was expecting out of Star Trek. I'm looking forward to the next one. [23:53] nix_chix0r, I saw one of the guys from 'clean house' in a "I made millions using (insert guys name here) system for only 19.99$" [23:53] nix_chix0r, just the other day, the wife and I were laughing [23:53] Old_Fogie: you know those things that your depends now catches. :) [23:53] agentc0re: ill wait for the R5 rip^h^h^h^h^h^hDVD release [23:53] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-223.dial.telus.net) left irc: "night" [23:53] macavity: It's worth to go see in the theater. [23:54] The most amusing part about Star trek though is the way in which fans are missing the point [23:54] ther'e a point to Star Trek movies? [23:54] LSD`: Whats the point? [23:54] jinx! [23:54] sorta. [23:54] agentc0re: here a movie ticket costs $25.. and i am next to bankrupt [23:54] leave it to Trekkies to find some religion in a movie :) [23:54] fail [23:55] macavity: OMFG, i about just spit my beer out. [23:55] if i had the bandwidth to download movies again i would lol [23:55] macavity: $25 bucks? wow. And they wonder why people pirate their shit. [23:55] I will definatly wait until it's out on dvd. :) [23:55] 25$ US macavity ? [23:55] there abouts [23:55] support your local library I say [23:56] agentc0re: It's a reboot/reimagining. The time travel/wiping out of the "old" continuity is a means to an end [23:56] unless i want to go to the contry side and watch it on yester dacades cinema gear [23:56] agentc0re: the last time I went to a movie was when starwars came out :P .. roughly once in the last six years lol. [23:56] but yes, in the big movie theatres for the popular flicks, that [23:56] 's about the price of it [23:56] BP{k}: Haha, you mean back in the day when they sold Beer at the movies? :) [23:57] Old_Fogie, we already started the kid up a fund. but the thing is it has two ways of going. if upon his 18th birthday and finished hs he goes to college he can have the money for school . if he doesn't go to college he wont get it till he's 25 [23:57] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [23:57] hell, they charge you about the same for one bag of vinegums + one supersize popcorn + one big coke [23:57] BP{k}: Surprising enough, here in mormon ville utah, we have a place called Brewvies that you can get a Pint and watch a movie on the big screen. [23:57] of course i wont tell him this till he's older [23:57] nix_chix0r, ah good [23:57] agentc0re: haha .. not that long ago. Basically comes down to: most cinema's don't do subtitles. [23:57] Old_Fogie, that seems fair right? [23:58] BP{k}: Do you need subtitles? [23:58] so, yeah, if i want to take the GF on a "real trip" to the movies, thats gonna cost us $75 [23:58] agentc0re: I don't. But kethry does. [23:58] that way if he chooses not to go to school by 25 he should be responsible enough to decide what to do with that moey [23:58] Bummer. [23:58] nix_chix0r, yes because many kids think it's theirs, and don't go to college but want the money [23:58] nix_chix0r, dont forget tho..you have no idea who they will marry, help with the house downpayment, etc [23:59] i didn't go to college but i've also worked my ass off to get where i am. and i will be going to college to get some form of medical backround into my belt. working with disability and social security is pretty tough info [23:59] my philosophy was , if I could raise kids equal to or better than I had it, I did my job right. but that's my take on things. [00:00] --- Mon May 25 2009