[00:00] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:01] any newer kde users kde 4.x, is kword still able to import pdfs? [00:01] vasuvi (~vasuvi@pool-71-112-197-172.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:01] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:01] hopefully turned off the flashing of the screen in gnu screen [00:01] http://www.vitunes.org/ [00:02] \o/ [00:03] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:05] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.17.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:06] mancha: doesn't seem so, but I never knew it could anyway. [00:07] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:07] BPk, yep, the kword in koffice 1.6.3 could import PDFs [00:07] Nick change: jewcardi -> jewbacca [00:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:08] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:13] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:14] hey [00:15] is a daemon like a kernel, but a kernel for a program? [00:15] BPk interesting...i am finding no discussion on the dropping of this but the code is indeed gone :) [00:15] no, a daemon refers to a program which "listens" for client connections [00:16] mancha: yeah, i just check keths computer (which runs 12.2, which has 1.6.3 and she can import pdf just fine. [00:16] arcaos (~arcaos@host-12-205-154.linksat.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [00:17] mancha, is a daemon specifically for remote clients? or just m [00:17] multiple processes from the host client running the daemon? [00:17] the client can be local [00:17] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:21] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] mancha, what's the windows version of a kernel? [00:22] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:23] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [00:25] masterslakk, windows has a kernel also... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(computing)#Microsoft_Windows [00:25] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:28] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:30] mquin- (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [00:30] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[03:25] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:26] gogie (~paulnamua@unaffiliated/gogie) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:28] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:30] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Changing host [03:30] RaNdY (randy@shellium/member/randy) joined ##slackware. [03:32] Can any of you kind folks running -current do "ls -al /proc/ide" and tell what the output is? [03:34] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.29.184) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:34] slackytude (~slacky@f052185206.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [03:34] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-234-169.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:35] mornin; how do i kill a detached process that wont respond to kill.8 nor killall.8? [03:35] it's X11 bound [03:35] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.0.194) joined ##slackware. [03:37] straterra has been found out: http://fukung.net/v/23274/fukly [03:44] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [03:45] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:47] SunTzu, did you do kill -s 9 ? [03:48] vincen_ (~chatzilla@222.70.17.84) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.4/20100513144105] [03:50] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-102-160.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [03:51] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-420970.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [03:51] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-420970.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:52] slackytude: which process? xkill? [03:53] adrien, fail [03:53] slackytude: it's because of the sun, I can 't see a thing =) [03:53] meh [03:53] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) joined ##slackware. [03:53] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:53] I'm actually getting a sunburn on one arm and the other is completely white ;-) [03:53] lol [03:54] I had that as well [03:54] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) joined ##slackware. [03:54] johndee: No such file or directory [03:54] window is east-south-east I guess so I get lots of sun in the morning ;-) [04:08] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [04:11] trhodes: Thank you [04:11] yw [04:11] grazymax (~grazymax@host49-154-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:12] That I guess means IDE stuff is out of kernel now [04:12] But... What is the alternative to this? [04:13] are you still trying to slow CD reads ? [04:14] johndee: slackware-current/CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT .. start reading at line 94 [04:15] trhodes: Yep. And on Slack I did slow it down because it still has that IDE stuff. There were ~200 CRC errors for the rip instead of ~3000. There's a little difference, isn't it :) [04:15] johndee: indeed, cool :) [04:15] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:17] i can't find slackware 10 anywhere [04:17] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [04:21] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) joined ##slackware. [04:22] alphageek: Well... gee... thanks. I'm aware of that. What I'm looking for is where all that settings from IDE subsys are now. [04:25] Action: alphageek pokes around [04:25] with /dev/sda2 being my netbook's '/', here's what I've found [04:26] /proc/fs/ext4/sda2, /sys/fs/ext4/sda2, /sys/class/block/sda, /sys/class/block/sda1 (my swap), /sys/class/block/sda2 [04:27] whatever you're looking for will likely be in those hierarchies [04:28] just poke around with 'find /{proc,sys}/ 2> /dev/null | grep foo' where foo is the device you're interested in [04:33] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [04:34] hdparm doesn't do what you need, johndee ? [04:37] hey, how do you get gdb to output whats happening while the program is running, i did "gdb --pid=xxx" and connected to the process then "continue" to make the program continue, normally i just wait for it to crash and do a backtrace but its not crashing but it is generating an error and i wanna see whats going on live [04:43] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [04:43] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.155) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:46] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Quit: We were always meant to say goodbye... [04:49] slackytude i got, ty [04:49] Nick change: mquin- -> mquin [04:51] THC|slackin-OT ask #gnu [04:52] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:53] iceheart (~nihao@221.235.188.82) joined ##slackware. [04:54] alphageek: Yes, I'll look into that [04:54] /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info queries the device just fine, but can't set it [04:54] trhodes: Nope. Says the speed is set to whatever, but doesn't have any effect [04:54] ok [04:56] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:59] Morn [04:59] Action: Zordrak is back from a 4 day weekend [05:02] trhodes: Yep. info says cdrom can change speed, but there's no way to set it %) [05:04] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:04] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [05:05] Possibly it takes creating some key in proc and setting a value or maybe it's not implemented in any way which won't be nice :\ [05:12] it might be some kind of SG_ ioctl or something [05:12] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:12] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [05:12] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [05:12] how to recognize mp3 player, mobile phone? [05:14] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:16] use file.1 [05:17] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:17] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-66-236.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:19] how to do? [05:20] # file [filenames] [05:23] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [05:24] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:26] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:31] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:31] trhodes: Maybe. Google doesn't have a clue about that :\ [05:38] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:42] johndee (~id@95-29-181-241.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:44] johndee (~id@95-29-185-39.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:46] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:48] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:57] ariarat (~ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) joined ##slackware. [06:05] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-234-169.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [06:15] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:18] iceheart (~nihao@221.235.188.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:19] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:19] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. 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[06:37] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:42] Nick change: eChO1 -> ohce [06:43] deus|-| (deus@simula.gunkies.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:45] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:48] they changed? [06:48] mcury (~mcury@189.24.184.10) joined ##slackware. [06:49] hells yeah they changed [06:49] its all clean andh white and ajaxy [06:49] Why my ftp server, when I try to connect to it using WAN, and after I set my login and password, keeps on connecting and a time out message appears? [06:50] 8081/tcp open ftp ProFTPD 1.3.3 <<< Port open and service running, already made the NAT configuration on my router to this same port [06:51] home router? [06:51] yes, d-link 2640b [06:52] I have to change the port to 8081 as my internet provider blocks the port 21 [06:52] quite often they will prevent you from connecting to yourself [06:52] can you access another machine and connect from there? [06:52] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) joined ##slackware. [06:53] adrien. if I paste my ip adress here, can you try to connect to it ? [06:53] computers on my LAN can access the FTP server, but not others PC through the WAN [06:53] mcury: send me a pm then [06:55] reachable, can login, but after that, it doesn't work, are you sure the folder you'll be landing in is readable/listable? [06:56] DefaultRoot ~ [06:56] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:57] I set this on my proftdp;conf, so it should be readable as this is my user directory [06:57] you restarted proftpd after changing the settings? [06:57] or maybe an overzealous firewall [06:58] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:58] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) joined ##slackware. [06:58] I rebooted yesterday, and now keeps not working, I'm not using a firewall on linux, my iptables -L has no lines in it [06:59] as the port is open in nmap 127.0.0.1, It should be reachable [07:00] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-102-160.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:00] cteg (~heretic@host-091-097-172-095.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [07:00] I mean the d-link router [07:01] I'll reboot it now, and I'll come here and paste my new IP address in a PM, ok / [07:02] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [07:02] mcury (~mcury@189.24.184.10) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:04] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) joined ##slackware. [07:04] mcury (~mcury@189.24.88.178) joined ##slackware. [07:05] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [07:06] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:07] mako-dono (~mako@81.22.25.206) joined ##slackware. [07:07] allow me to but in on your ftp problems but have you tried passive mode? [07:08] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-13-125.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:08] passive mode do you mean about connecting in anonymous mode? because I didn't see anything with passive in my configuration [07:09] no, passive is a mode of ftp transfer... nothing to do with anonymouse [07:09] All I did is to configure my proftpd.conf, my etc/ftpusers and my etc/groups.. and my router [07:09] so maybe my FTP server is in passive mode ? [07:10] or non passive, try both [07:11] passive means the user will initiate the connection, while active means it's the server which does [07:11] client setting not server [07:11] (one of the numerous reasons ftp is weird) [07:11] I tried as passive (almost sure) [07:11] v4nelle (~van@79.107.213.106) joined ##slackware. [07:11] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:12] I'll look for it, thanks in advance [07:12] standalone, is this that I should reconfigure? [07:13] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:13] standalone? [07:14] http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/passive_proftpd.html [07:14] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) joined ##slackware. [07:14] it's almost the first line of the configuration file in my proftpd.conf [07:15] that is refering to wether or not you are running proftpd as a daemon on it's own or if it is called in life by inet only when requests occur [07:15] dvel (~dvel@48.85.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [07:15] dvel (~dvel@48.85.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Changing host [07:15] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [07:17] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.17.36) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:17] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.17.36) joined ##slackware. [07:18] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:18] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:18] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:19] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [07:19] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:20] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) joined ##slackware. [07:21] I just set a new configuration in my iptables and in my proftpd, now it should be working in passive mode, I'll restart my services and I'll be back soon, thanks [07:21] masterslakk (~mastersla@adsl-99-30-144-105.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:22] mcury (~mcury@189.24.88.178) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:22] evanton (~cbbe@unaffiliated/evanton) joined ##slackware. [07:23] ohce (~echo@189.58.219.194.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:24] are the old nvidia drivers compatible with Slackware 13.1 that is going to be released soon? [07:25] mcury (~mcury@189.24.88.178) joined ##slackware. [07:25] I mean the packages nvidia-legacy96-kernel and nvidia-legacy96-driver from SBo [07:25] would they build fine with the kernel that will come with 13.1? [07:26] edthix (~ed@124.13.34.39) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [07:29] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:29] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) joined ##slackware. [07:32] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [07:33] would this be right to create an initrd for the generic kernel on 13.0 : mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.29.6-smp -m ext3 -f ext3 -r /dev/sda3 ? [07:34] Sounds about right pleee [07:35] nice :) [07:35] You can verify that by running /usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator and comparing the results [07:36] That program will not _do_ anything... it will just show a possible commandline, and lilo entry [07:36] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:37] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) joined ##slackware. [07:37] ahh cool :) [07:37] Will write that one down :) [07:38] and maybe i should remember to run lilo also... :) [07:39] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF89D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:39] Hi o/ [07:42] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:42] Success!! [07:42] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) joined ##slackware. [07:46] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:48] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:49] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) joined ##slackware. [07:52] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [07:54] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:59] alienBOB, do you plan to package 4.5 snapshots, by chance? :) [07:59] jrt055 (~jason@c-98-196-24-103.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:01] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[08:31] hi [08:34] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:36] Uncontrolled explosions in small office areas = No fun for Monday [08:36] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.136.118) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:37] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.136.118) joined ##slackware. [08:37] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:39] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) joined ##slackware. [08:39] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [08:43] wait... you've got random kabooms at work and think that isn't fun? [08:43] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:44] no. [08:44] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) joined ##slackware. [08:46] stink bombs ar enever fun [08:47] Two explosions. First a loop current between a motherboard and an custem external USB device [08:47] the second being the PSU on attempting to test if it was buggered [08:47] 2 [08:47] whoops [08:48] Zordrak: where you work? [08:48] Likely the land of citrus [08:49] thrice`: at some point I'll start looking at KDE 4.5, but not now. Once 4.5 gets finalized but no earlier, the build process is too unstable atm [08:49] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:50] I want to work on updating packages in my repo for Slackware 13.1 first, that has a higher priority than KDE 4.5 [08:50] 4.5! [08:50] phrag: still some time away, 4.5 [08:50] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) joined ##slackware. [08:51] i'm happy with 4.4 for now [08:51] I think the beta is due this week :) [08:52] pireau (1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [08:52] looking forward to tweaking 13.1 to epic proportion =) [08:54] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [08:57] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:57] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [08:57] alema0: please turn off auto away, thanks [08:58] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:59] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-kbqhoqixotebdtrt) joined ##slackware. [09:00] xendor (~xendor@87.13.120.197) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:00] slackaholic (~ivan@200.129.136.93) joined ##slackware. [09:02] pango.SlackBuild sets --target when calling ./configure? that sounds weird [09:04] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:05] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-148-255.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [09:06] slackaholic (ivan@200.129.136.93) left ##slackware. [09:08] adrien: check the pango /configure --help [09:08] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [09:08] Zordrak: target doesn't make sense for pango [09:09] *shrug* [09:09] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [09:10] why? it doesn't hurt anything [09:11] for most configure scripts, I could add --wooooooohooooooooooooo=42, it wouldn't hurt, doesn't mean it's nice to have [09:12] no, because --target is accepted, while --woooo isn't [09:12] it's a valid configure option, and doesn't cause any detrimental effects. what's your issue with it? [09:13] some systems will actually accept unrecognized options and will only output a warning [09:13] my issue with it is that it's really ugly [09:14] good thing it's not your distro, then [09:15] I wonder why you think it is ugly adrien [09:16] alienBOB: because it doesn't apply to libraries, only to cross-compilers [09:17] dcash (~dcash@2002:442f:ac31:0:21e:65ff:fed1:4a6) joined ##slackware. [09:17] doesn't that argument apply to --host --build too? [09:17] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [09:17] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:19] --build isn't strictly necessary but I prefer that it matches the triplet in gcc, plus x86_64-unknown-gnu isn't a very sexy name: it has some use not when cross-compiling [09:20] --host is usually not mentionned in the slackbuilds, except here and I'm under the impression it's because the build systems isn't perfect in this package (see the comments right before configure) [09:21] now, noone has been killed, earth isn't going to explode, ok, no need to make a drama out of it [09:21] your comments suggest otherwise :) [09:23] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:24] im having trouble with disk failer can anyone tell me whats going on here http://pastebin.com/iaREs7pK [09:24] mugwort13 (~mugwort13@pool-71-248-34-86.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:25] oobe: Assuming everything is setup fine (ie, all the cables are properly seated) it just looks like the drive is failing to me. [09:25] Time to get a new one. [09:25] oobe: sounds like a bad disk: have you checked the output of smartctl? have you checked earlier on in dmesg (during boo) [09:25] boot* [09:25] yea that is what i think [09:25] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [09:25] im about too [09:25] it used to have /home and / on it [09:26] but i got a random shutdown followed by corrupt fs [09:26] so i recovered it with fsck then bought a new drive for the important stuff [09:26] and am using it for tv recordings storage [09:26] slackaholic (~slackahol@200.129.136.93) joined ##slackware. [09:30] slackaholic (slackahol@200.129.136.93) left ##slackware. [09:30] xe7 (abhishek@devio.us) joined ##slackware. [09:30] slackaholic (~slackahol@200.129.136.93) joined ##slackware. [09:32] what's the procedure to do a version upgrade with slackpkg? I've done it before I thin, but can't remember exactly how [09:32] s/thin/think/ [09:32] Version upgrade? [09:32] from 12.2 to 13.0, let's say [09:33] Oh..you could just follow the upgrade.txt o.O [09:33] mmlj4: slackpkg(8) and read UPGRADE.TXT and CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [09:34] xe7 (abhishek@devio.us) left ##slackware. [09:35] that document doesn't mention slackpkg [09:35] I think man slackpkg mentions upgrades [09:35] what whatever I did didn't involve sinlge-user [09:35] http://pastebin.com/eC0hbPSE <-- thats in man slackpkg [09:38] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) joined ##slackware. [09:39] I'm thinking that my problem is that there aren't any entries for 13.0 in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [09:40] gospch (~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:40] jrt05 (~jason@c-98-196-24-103.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:41] jrt0555 (~jason@c-98-196-24-103.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:42] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. 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Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of Ubuntu varients, I will fear no evil: for ./config art with me; thy crontab and thy shell scripts they comfort me. Thou preparest source code before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my disk drives with oil; my man [09:51] Surely histroy and /var/log shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will make && make install in the house of the LORD for ever [09:52] nargon: what? [09:52] nargon: huh? [09:53] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:54] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:55] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) joined ##slackware. [09:56] nice [09:57] arcaos (~arcaos@host-12-205-154.linksat.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [09:57] lol ^^ [09:58] uhm btw is there anything wrong with calling: xterm -e su -c 'shutdown -h now' <-- to shutdown your computer while beeing in X ? [09:58] not wrong, just unusual [09:59] Ok, may I ask what the "usual" would be? [09:59] well you could just make a menu entry to it [10:00] I use something like "urxvt -title "Shutting Down..." -e sudo /sbin/shutdown -hP -t 0 now" in my openbox menu [10:00] if you sort out permissions in suduers so you don't to give pass [10:00] I dont have sudo setup here [10:00] and yeah I'm calling it as a bash script in my menu [10:00] So I just click and it does that [10:01] mugwort13 (mugwort13@pool-71-248-34-86.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [10:02] well it's as good a way as any [10:02] Ok thanks :D [10:02] I tend to hibernate nowdays [10:02] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-158-1-52-75.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net [10:02] the occasions reboot after upgrading kernel [10:03] Well, I've setup this machine for my mom and since I'm using XDM I've been searching for an easy way for her to shutdown this PC [10:03] s/occasions/occasional [10:03] right [10:03] using which WM/DE? [10:03] IceWM [10:04] http://imagebin.org/98158 <-- take a look if you want [10:05] cool :) was just curious if it was kde or xfce, which I think can have the 'shutdown' added already to the menu [10:05] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:06] Roin: that looks pretty good! [10:06] thank you :D [10:07] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-158-1-52-75.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:07] yeah in XFCE you can shut it down by using XFCE's app [10:07] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) joined ##slackware. [10:07] Roin: you've inspired me to give ice a second chance [10:07] rab13s: cool! :D [10:07] Action: Roin likes IceWM [10:07] Though I suggest you use the 1.3.6 testing release like I do: more cool features [10:07] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-158-1-52-75.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [10:08] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-158-1-52-75.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:09] ill give it a shot! [10:10] arcaos (~arcaos@host-12-205-154.linksat.net.ar) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:11] Roin: you installed from source, or from Sbopkg? [10:11] slackbuilds.org [10:11] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:11] But I didnt use the version they offer [10:11] which is basicly just like changing 3 characters in one line of the .SlackBuilds script [10:13] nice, im gonna have to install over freeNX, not at home =P but that wont stop me! 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[10:29] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:34] anyone use ratpoison? as a WM [10:34] never used it srry [10:35] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:35] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) joined ##slackware. [10:36] rab13s: nope i'm using i3 [10:36] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:36] in the tiling spirit [10:37] tusk: is that more intuitive then ratpoison? [10:38] dvel (~dvel@48.85.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [10:38] dvel (~dvel@48.85.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Changing host [10:38] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [10:39] rab13s: i don't ratpoison, only by name [10:39] ever try dwm? [10:40] yeah quicly along with wmii [10:42] qartis (~qartis@124.160.123.74) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:44] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. 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[10:59] adrien, I got it, my ftp server is now working, thanks for the support [10:59] mcury: what was wrong btw? [11:00] teckan (~teckan@p578E268D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:01] I had only one port open, I have opened the tcp dpt:60000 and set the passive ports on my proftpd, set the port open in my router and it worked [11:02] yesterday someone said about ftp needs two channels, one for data and other for control [11:04] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:05] Nick change: get -> Get|Off [11:05] Nick change: Get|Off -> get [11:05] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.43.122) joined ##slackware. [11:06] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [11:06] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [11:12] jrt0555 (~jason@c-98-196-24-103.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:13] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [11:13] mcury: two ports are used by ftp, but with passive you only need to open one in the firewall, the other is established by your pc, rather than the server, so the firewall allows it. (for nearly all firewall configurations anyway) [11:14] hackehead: iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 60000:60001 -j ACCEPT [11:15] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [11:15] this was all I had to do, allow connections to this port, and then set it in the proftpd.conf [11:16] Nicce (~Nicce@ip-230-197-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [11:18] slackaholic (~slackahol@200.129.136.93) left irc: Quit: by(t)e by(t)e :P [11:19] v4nelle (~van@79.107.213.106) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:20] ok, good to know it's fixed =) [11:22] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[11:27] size - used != available [11:28] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [11:28] mtkoan: /home is not mounted [11:29] also, if you created those filesystems with their default parameters, 5% space is always reserved [11:32] 21 [11:33] adaptr: I know, I'm on the secondary drbd node [11:33] well, by default - the reserved space is tunable [11:34] slakmagik: notice where I said "with their default parameters" up there ? :) [11:34] no, I noticed 'is always' [11:34] so its mounted on the primary one [11:34] then you have a parsing problem :) [11:35] mtkoan: and as such not accessible via drbd, right ? only as a separate device [11:36] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [11:36] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [11:36] FsckMe (~chatzilla@112.135.20.76) joined ##slackware. [11:36] adaptr: yea.. drbd manage /dev/terra/home [11:36] so when its mounted, its mounted as /dev/drbd0 [11:36] is anybody had read my book "Trolling to freenode for Dummies!" ? [11:37] FsckMe: url for your book? [11:39] adaptr: that 5% was reserved by md, right? [11:40] mtkoan: no by mkfs [11:40] next time, show mount -v for more sane values [11:40] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [11:40] adatpr: ok, is it the journaling area or something for ext3? [11:41] mtkoan: you're implementing drbd but don't know how your chosen FS works ? puzzling... [11:41] adaptr: leaning as I go :) [11:41] ext[234] reserve 5% of all assigned space to root. it is not writable by other users [11:41] you can disable it with tune2fs [11:41] so does reiserfs. [11:41] perhaps even more. [11:41] thumbs: just reporting what I know about [11:42] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:42] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.138) left irc: Quit: Bye [11:42] what is the reserved space used for? [11:43] So that root still has 5% room to manage the filesystem after normal users filled it up to 100% [11:43] Ahh [11:43] thank you [11:43] Also handy for logging and other daemons that fall over when there is no more free space [11:43] teckan (~teckan@p578E268D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:45] I shouldn't need those for /home [11:45] Or at least, that much space [11:45] No, and you can use "tune2fs -m 0 /dev/..." for that [11:45] be careful. Don't lower it too much [11:46] thumbs: a /home drive can have 0% reserved space [11:46] is a recommendation for /var? [11:46] alienBOB: why don't you download and read my book "Trolling in freenode for Dummies"? [11:46] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [11:46] For /var I would keep a few GB reserved, you can make the calculations about how many % that would be [11:46] alienBOB: I've actually had a use for it, when recovering corrupted data on that partition, recently. [11:46] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@112.135.20.*' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [11:46] FsckMe kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [11:46] Bye [11:47] huch [11:48] I wish I had the free time to do such silly things with my life :p [11:49] Kill the trolls - that is my motto. No quarter [11:49] Action: Roin agrees with alienBOB [11:50] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [11:50] alienBOB: bah.. you're not harsh enough on semi-trolls :) [11:54] Trolls? Where? [11:55] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.43.122) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:57] o.0 [11:57] dont feed the trolls [11:57] ridout (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:59] Sri Lanka... Eric, you may have just banned that entire country with that /24. ;-) [12:00] thrice`, dont they give you sufficient free time at mcdonalds? :D [12:00] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:00] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [12:00] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:00] jeev, [12:00] you know the drive-thru gets packed around lunch time [12:00] Alan_Hicks, you think "obama is in bed with big oil" like sarah palin said? [12:00] lol [12:00] thrice`, last i heard you got demoted to make sure there werent any stools in the fun house ball thing [12:01] big oil is in everyone's bed and pockets and closets, do you think they're fools? [12:01] Skywise, palin talks like obama is letting the oil leak into the water purposely [12:01] GOP = stupid i swear, it amazes me [12:01] nah, that was a 1-time thing [12:01] palin talks like she's had an unsuccessful lobotomy [12:01] how can i cash in on their stupidity? jesus man. [12:01] jeev: No, I think Obama is doing them in the ass just like every other business in America. [12:01] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@112.135.20.*' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [12:01] i though america likes oil [12:01] i'm going to make a tea leaf and sell it as a "terrorist protector" [12:01] ;-) [12:01] big oil is in your gulf of mexico ;) [12:02] we like oil in our gas tanks, not on the beaches [12:02] Alan_Hicks, really.. weird, just cause he got money from BP employees doesn't mean he's ruled by them. i dont know, palin is a joke [12:02] jeev: But that's a discussion for ##slackware-offtopic, not here. [12:02] :< [12:02] Alan_Hicks, that's an extra channel my bandwidth cant afford@ [12:02] bp's contribution to obama is just their way of betting on the winning horse [12:02] jeev: Tough. [12:02] hey, are you in NC ? [12:03] no [12:03] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:03] ok [12:09] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.43.122) joined ##slackware. [12:11] fidesratio (~fidesrati@bender.open-source.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:11] jeev: it's bandwidth you'd be lacking? for me it's more time =/ [12:12] dafydd (~dafydd@calgary.userful.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:14] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:14] stunix (1000@85.19.183.21) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:14] stunix (1000@85.19.183.21) joined ##slackware. [12:15] adrien, stop pretending.. go load up your .NET compiler and make sure your calorie counter works [12:16] alienBOB, fsckMe found in ##networking cussing around :) you should probably keep him banned for now [12:16] using 'microsoftass' as nick [12:16] and 'adrien' [12:16] jeev: you know I do ocaml (could do F# as well) [12:17] adrien, ocaml/.NET.. same thing [12:17] thanks for your generous advice jeev [12:17] you're so wise [12:17] which advice thrice` [12:17] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:21] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-kbqhoqixotebdtrt) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:24] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:25] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:26] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:26] nargon (mike@217.194.139.22) joined ##slackware. [12:27] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.138) joined ##slackware. [12:28] hookers, drugs, and a really good accountant.. anyone interested in investing in my new business plan ? [12:30] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [12:30] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [12:30] nargon: huh? [12:31] bender beat him to it, anyway he didn't even include blackjack [12:34] Nicce (~Nicce@ip-230-197-241-92.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving! [12:34] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [12:37] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF89D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: brb [12:37] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Necrosporus [12:41] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:42] terry__ (~barry@212.183.140.49) joined ##slackware. [12:43] ariarat (ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) left ##slackware. [12:45] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF89D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:13] KillGuta: slackpkg [13:13] Awesome [13:13] it's the bomb-diggity [13:13] KillGuta, it can install / remove / update the distro, but a key difference is that it won't manage dependencies [13:14] If you stick with the official Slack packages, it'll more or less keep you out of the kill zone [13:16] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:16] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [13:17] brainvision (~brainvisi@host3-26-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:18] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:18] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [13:22] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:22] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [13:23] brainvision (~brainvisi@host3-26-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [13:24] _S4MUR4I_ (~chatzilla@189.23.132.2) joined ##slackware. [13:24] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:25] gh0st (~gh0st@c-67-182-57-230.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:26] mcury (~mcury@189.24.88.178) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:27] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [13:27] brainvision (~brainvisi@host3-26-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:27] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:28] user82349 (~user6929@adsl-76-235-37-216.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] what is the expected release of slackware 13.1 ? [13:29] *when [13:29] When it's ready [13:29] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:30] :D [13:30] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-13-125.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] PAT docet :) [13:32] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) joined ##slackware. [13:32] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:33] im amazed users ask the same question over and over, somebody please make a usb zapper which accepts remote zapping commands via irc [13:35] ridout (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:36] Well, if users keep asking the same questions, why isn't there an FAQ link in the topic? [13:37] Because those users would never read the topic [13:38] yeah, but then you can just slap users with it when they ask them [13:38] sort of like /faq user [13:38] dafydd: result would be the same, we'd have to answer them with 'read the faq' instead of 'when its time' [13:38] zapping somebodys nuts has more sincerity in it [13:39] Nothing says love like zapped nuts [13:39] slackware.com , click FAQ , it's not hidden [13:39] And yes, it says there are no dates [13:41] The FAQ could probably use a breath of fresh air... [13:41] I don't imagine too many people use ZipSlack anymore... [13:42] dafydd: you'd be surprised [13:42] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.165.54) joined ##slackware. [13:43] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Client exiting [13:43] outside of america there are still a lot of people who use older technology [13:44] I know, I still use a lot of it :) [13:44] KillGuta (KillGuta@82.77.166.49) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:45] There's nothing quite as liberating as a 80386 handling your workload [13:46] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:46] we ran a k62 with 128mb , was used as an ftp/ file share and mail server , i think it processed around 100k emails per day [13:47] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:47] K6-2, which one ? 300MHz ? 350 ? [13:47] i think the 550 [13:48] they ranged from 2xx or 300 to 550 [13:49] I think the 300 or 350 was the lowest - I had a 350 [13:49] never ever did they run as high as 550 [13:49] I have a *bag* of K6 processors in my drawer. [13:49] share em around! [13:49] sure. [13:49] like confetti [13:50] brainvision (~brainvisi@host3-26-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [13:50] brainvision (~brainvisi@host3-26-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:50] adaptr: I'll knock you on the head with one, if you like. [13:52] ouch [13:53] they're pretty sharp. [13:53] "hey, had a good weekend ? say, why are there 341 indentations in your forehead?" [13:53] "how did you count them so quickly" [13:56] brainvision (~brainvisi@host3-26-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:56] thumbs: make coasters out of them or use them as ninja stars [13:57] xsamurai: you'd need very small glasses [13:57] I think we have enough old hardware in the states we can donate to 3rd world countries , im sure k62 550 for somebody somewhere will be magical [13:58] anyways back to work [14:00] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [14:00] Marian (~^Tifa^@200.26.173.174) joined ##slackware. [14:00] Hello Slackers [14:00] Hello Marian [14:00] Just passing by ;) [14:01] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.0.194) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:01] brainvision (~brainvisi@host144-60-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:01] Nick change: Marian -> ^Tifa^ [14:01] where are you merry...oh wait [14:03] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-66-236.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:04] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.0.194) joined ##slackware. [14:05] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [14:05] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:08] anyone know of a good pdf to jpg converter ? [14:08] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.43.122) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:08] 'convert' ? [14:08] i'd imagine some print to jpg dohicky [14:09] or print to postscript and then make the jpg from that [14:09] convert -scale 2000x2000 file.pdf file.jpg should work [14:09] it can do that? [14:10] of course :) [14:10] there's a whole lot of fun things in imagemagick :-) [14:11] i didn't realize it could handle pdfs [14:11] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [14:12] you owe me AGAIN jeev ;) ;) <3 <3 [14:12] brainvision (~brainvisi@host144-60-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [14:12] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:12] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [14:12] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [14:12] Skywise, it's a handy way to convert things *to* a PDF file too [14:13] yeah i think thats why i have it installed [14:13] i had a website that generated pdfs [14:13] [14:14] [in bed] [14:14] hi all [14:16] brainvision (~brainvisi@host144-60-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:16] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [14:16] i don't like pdfs now that they come with all sorts of exploits [14:17] thrice` the problem is that it takes the fillable form with it.. [14:17] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] a fillable jpg? those exist? [14:18] no, takes a fillable pdf [14:19] and the jpgs end up having boxes around them [14:19] Skywise: it's not just the PDF format that's vulnerable to exploits [14:19] Skywise: part of the problem is the ubiquity of Adobe Reader [14:19] cool, your way worked thrice` [14:19] atta boy cockface [14:19] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.0.194) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:19] well yeah, its the reader, but the files can have external references too [14:20] yeah, but if you are that concerned, simply convert them to a static image [14:20] i'm mostly concerned about them comming from malicious emails and being opened by boobs [14:21] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.0.194) joined ##slackware. [14:21] heh, that's always fun [14:21] brainvision (~brainvisi@host144-60-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [14:21] you owe me jeev [14:21] if you know what I mean ;) [14:21] legitimate ones aren't an issue, but there isn't a filter to test for badness of a pdf [14:23] I'm trying to think if some of the nastiness can be converting it to PostScript first [14:23] pdf2ps, then back using ps2pdf [14:23] for now, i make them send pdfs in a zip file and all naked pdfs are stripped [14:23] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.43.122) joined ##slackware. [14:24] i don't know if converting a bad pdf is gonna be a better solution if its still accessing a bad url [14:24] I don't recall if pdf2ps strips hyperlinking... [14:25] i would think it would render it [14:25] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-148-255.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [14:25] brainvision (~brainvisi@host144-60-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:25] brainvision (~brainvisi@host144-60-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [14:26] brainvision (~brainvisi@host144-60-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:26] brainvision (~brainvisi@host144-60-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [14:27] Skywise: testing that hypothesis now [14:27] user82349 (~user6929@adsl-76-235-37-216.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:28] yep, it renders the link [14:28] brainvision (~brainvisi@host144-60-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:29] so I think that would avoid minor phishing [14:29] Mind you, never underestimate a determined idiot [14:29] brainvision (~brainvisi@host144-60-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [14:29] brainvision (~brainvisi@host144-60-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[14:59] lots of quitting... [14:59] /alias uff /exit [15:00] gm152 (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:01] kutani (~kutani@cpe-72-177-8-158.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:02] xsamurai (jamonyou@69.43.199.101) left ##slackware. [15:02] brainvision (~brainvisi@host144-60-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:10] brainvision (~brainvisi@host144-60-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [15:11] brainvision (~brainvisi@host144-60-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:11] sor [15:11] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:13] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [15:14] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [15:17] brainvision: what? [15:19] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:20] thumbs: ?? [15:20] nothing particular.. :) [15:21] brainvision (~brainvisi@host144-60-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [15:22] g'day all. I've been trying to unwind a little nfs problem that has crept up with 13.1 RC2 after upgrading from 13.0. namely, that i am no longer able to mount nfs exports from other systems (access denied). I'm still in the process of troubleshooting, but if anyone knows about something that has Changed that might cause this, it'd be mighty helpful. (cont'd) [15:22] brainvision (~brainvisi@host144-60-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:22] uff.. [15:22] I've confirmed it is a client-side problem, as I am unable to mount shares from systems that have had no changes. It doesn't appear to be an RPC problem [15:22] I have wireless pissues.. [15:22] :( [15:23] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [15:23] kutani: add "vers=3" to your client's nfs mount options [15:23] brainvision (~brainvisi@host144-60-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [15:24] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] kutani: out of curiosity, what are the "other systems" ? [15:25] nfs should allow the nfsd to determine whether or not it should show mounts with showmount -e, i had to remove it in the source code to prevent it from showing [15:26] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:26] i've had this problem myself between my slackware 11 nfs server and -current [15:28] ang: one is a fresh new slack 13.1 system, other is a 12.1 box [15:28] hmm... i didn't have any issues b/w 12.1 and -current [15:28] alienBOB: the 12.1 box comes back instant w/ denied, the 13.1 RC2 box doesn't like nfs v3 at all and hangs [15:28] it is rather perplexing. [15:29] and you're positive you have nfsv3 client support in your kernel? [15:29] kernel is stocker. unless something unexpected has changed in -current's kernel configs vs. 13.0 [15:29] caramelcoated (~caramelco@user-vcausqc.dsl.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [15:30] hola [15:30] it has been years [15:30] i just looked at my old shit on noobfarm [15:30] i am SO sorry [15:31] cpunches? [15:31] ?? [15:31] lol [15:31] pet peeve of today, typo'ing "dc" for "cd" and realizing it traps ^C [15:32] someone noobfarm that [15:32] irc.helldive.org [15:32] fucking [15:32] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:32] http://noobfarm.org/?query=caramel [15:32] 2 years ago [15:32] im better now [15:33] kutani: weird [15:34] i'm having a different nfs issue at the moment with my laptop running -current. it will not nfs mount over wifi unless i pass -o nolock, if i switch to wired, it works fine [15:34] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:34] starting up rc.rpc seems to hang for like 2 minutes before it returns to the prompt, so i'm not sure if something wonky is going on [15:35] ang could be it's smart enough to know that a wired connection has less of a chance to disconnect in the middle of a session? [15:36] s/smart/fascist/ if that is the case haha. 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[15:45] alienBOB: I think your missus might object to that :P [15:45] ouch. /me caffeinates [15:45] Action: karlmag hands alienBOB a mallet [15:46] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [15:46] adamk_ (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:47] :) [15:47] anyone belong to mensa or the high iq society? [15:47] The first rule of Mensa is.... [15:48] "Any club that would have me is not a club I want to be part of". Remember that one? [15:48] duuuuuuuuur [15:48] yeah, that and i never like the people who get into those clubs [15:48] but i was just thinking about it again [15:48] groucho marx... [15:48] arrghghghg. NFS problem solved. [15:49] ElitestFX (~ElitestFX@unaffiliated/elitestfx) joined ##slackware. [15:49] kutani: rpc daemons? [15:49] *guessing* [15:49] rufoz (rufoz@189.4.112.137) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:49] karlmag: nothing so interesting or enlightening [15:49] network cable? ;-) [15:49] syntax error [15:49] a little more interesting than that haha [15:50] aliens? [15:50] alienBOB: was it you? :P [15:50] Bleep [15:51] bleepin aliens [15:51] my laptop uses DHCP to get all networking, but i then set the IP to a static addy. braindead router was not seeing the static, and so the NFS-serving boxes were seeing laptop as the dyn IP, not the static. : P : P [15:51] So when do we get 13.1? [15:51] When it's ready [15:51] kutani: "fun" [15:51] Fast [15:52] furious [15:52] I will wait until Slackware 13.1 is released before i stick it on my brand new server [15:52] Action: dive already has 13.1 and is waiting for 13.2 [15:52] dive: when's 20.3 coming out [15:52] i wait until people stop crying about crap not working before i install a new version [15:53] raela, 1999 [15:53] i think this is the final straw where i stop using Mr. Linksys Router's DHCP and set up my own. [15:53] its already out in hyperspace [15:53] put tomato or whatever on it [15:53] kutani, my netgear is also bad at static IPs [15:53] so yeah [15:53] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:53] hello, I need to refactor a sql insert script, how can I replace "VALUES(XXX," FOR "VALUES(", where XXX is a number? [15:54] geode board ~ $120us + openwrt + some nice weathertight box + +10db antenna = nice router box [15:54] alisonken1home, yeah sounds good [15:55] unfortunately I'm stuck with a router [15:55] ^Tifa^ (~^Tifa^@200.26.173.174) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:55] and it can work with poe 12v 1.2a power [15:55] gtludwig, wrong channel [15:55] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:55] slackytude, I meant to do it using sed, just don't know how [15:56] sed -i 's/XXX//g' $THESCRIPT [15:56] or [15:56] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [15:56] bah [15:57] luzbel (rhvsz@bnc1.nggn.info) joined ##slackware. [15:57] well you will need escape a few things [15:57] like \"VALUES\(XXX perhaps [15:58] gtludwig: a certain number, or just a number? and is it always three digits? [15:58] and er yeah use :alpha: there somewhere - dunno I'm not completely sober [15:58] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-24.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:58] er :digit: [15:58] karlmag, varies from 0 to 300 [15:59] luzbel (rhvsz@bnc1.nggn.info) left ##slackware. [15:59] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:59] gtludwig: is there other similar substrings you want to keep? (like same string, but with four digit number?) [16:01] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:01] karlmag, nope, I want to remove the first set of numeric digits of an existing sql dump so I can restore it [16:02] s/\(VALUES(\)[0-9]+,/\1/g from the top of my head.. untested [16:03] thx, I'll try that [16:03] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:04] that actually takes all numbers + a following comma and removes them [16:04] rab13s (micemicer@core.routed.com) left ##slackware. [16:04] unsure if that was your intention, but that was what you typed above [16:06] BrokenCog (~Daniel@125.213.207.141) joined ##slackware. [16:07] emma_ (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [16:08] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-24.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:08] yeah that's what I need [16:09] oki [16:09] oki doki [16:10] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:11] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:13] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [16:13] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: :q! [16:14] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [16:14] Nick change: emma_ -> emma [16:15] Holy crap - is that a girl in an IRC chat?! [16:16] Keep your pants on Tadgy [16:16] lol ^^ [16:17] is that american pants, or UK pants? [16:17] Y-pants perhaps [16:17] bicycle pants [16:19] Tadgy: you need to go out more... and/or take a look (yeah, look, not talking) in more channels - over time.. [16:19] You mean, there are other channels aside from ##slackware and #gsb ?! [16:19] but primarily go with the former advice [16:20] I recommend ubuntu-women [16:20] #ubuntu-women [16:20] what's #gsb ? (do I want to know?) [16:20] lol [16:20] karlmag: you don't want to know. [16:20] karlmag, some gnome for slackware thingy I think [16:20] slackytude recommends ubuntu-women and #ubuntu-women [16:20] heh [16:20] karlmag, gnome slackbuild - someone decided to take slackware and put gnome on it - with too many changes to slackware [16:20] y0 chess [16:20] chess! [16:20] hey man [16:21] alisonken1home: good try nut no [16:21] but* [16:21] We don't change ANYTHING in slackware. [16:21] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: comer [16:21] You fail. [16:21] GSB is gnome for slackware. it's not a slackware fork [16:21] #ubuntu-women... Sorry. I like my ladies to have a little more experience. [16:21] chipster, you put gnome on it :) [16:21] alisonken1home: GSB came a long way [16:21] alisonken1home: wrong [16:21] hows it goin slackytude ClaudioM :-) [16:22] chess, could be better but Im still alive. How about you? [16:22] all's well...looking to head to self this year [16:22] yeah I think GSB only changes like 3 or 4 packages these days [16:23] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF89D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya all o/ [16:23] alienBOB, tried gnome before, not interested in it again :) [16:23] chess: 0 for 2.28, 2 for 2.30 [16:23] slackytude: still livin' and breathin' [16:23] may revisit it in the future, but no current plans to try [16:23] chess: so what have you been up to? [16:23] chipster: cool, thanks. GSB does a great job [16:23] chess: thanks :) [16:23] GSB sounds bulky and unnecessary [16:23] to each their own. it's all about choice :) [16:24] thats true as well [16:24] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:24] chipster: which ones? [16:24] ClaudioM: work, kids, wife ... not nessarily in that order [16:24] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF89D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] ClaudioM: how about you? [16:24] sahko: gtk+2 and glib2 [16:24] that's it. [16:24] for 2.30 that is. [16:25] chipster: that is very cool. does it integrate OK with Eric's multilib setup? [16:25] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422348.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:25] chipster: i thought there was a horrible bug in gtk+2-2.20.x with filemanagers. has this been solved? [16:25] There's a horrible bug in Slackware - it's called KDE :) [16:26] or maybe nautilus isnt affected [16:26] chess: yep! [16:26] I think there was a gtk bug affecting thunar and pcmanfm [16:26] Tadgy: I can turn that around too. [16:26] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [16:26] chipster: very nice :-) [16:26] Tadgy: slackware used to have a horrible bug called gnome, until it was removed. [16:26] Roin: right [16:26] Slackware dosnt force you to use KDE anyways :x [16:26] i thought it affected nautilus too [16:27] dunno [16:27] just read a bit about it on the web some time ago [16:27] gnome is an amazing project. if you dislike gnome so much remove glib and glib2 and see how much you like your slackware then [16:27] gmartin (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:27] mancha: hm? [16:27] mancha: hehe [16:27] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [16:27] sahko: it's working well for us. [16:28] removepkg /var/log/packages/glib* file not found [16:28] alan, don't do that, you nuke your libc too :) [16:28] chipster: yeah wasnt sure, thats why i asked [16:28] why would you want to remove glib anyway? [16:28] nice to know its working well :) [16:28] I somehow missed the start of this conversation lol [16:29] sahko: thanks mate [16:29] Roin, you missed the part where the mindless zombies attacked gnome cause they think that's the cool thing to do? :) [16:29] Ah so I just missed a bash against GNOME? [16:29] They'll grow up soon enough :) [16:29] Action: kutani disables DHCP on router, sets it up on slack 12.1 box, lets wicd work out the details. NFS problem permanently solved. [16:30] wicd is cool [16:30] hello all ... I have a question about GDB - I removed the Slack13 package (6.8) and installed 7.1 -- now trying to load core files results in File Format not recognized. The reason I'm asking this here is I'm wondering if there are dependencies which were removed that I didn't know of ... [16:30] speaking about it: are there any issues using netconf and then WICD? [16:30] Roin, none Im aware of [16:30] ok thanks [16:30] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:31] BrokenCog, is the 7.1 from -current that you installed? [16:31] BrokenCog is it built against different c libs? [16:31] brb [16:31] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF89D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [16:31] file format not recognized usually means something other than missing/broken dependencies [16:32] like installing 32-bit programs on a 64-bit slackware system with no multilib added [16:32] BrokenCog, ^^^ [16:33] mhall119: If I have sda1-3, adn remove sda1-2, will sda3 become sda1? :P [16:33] i failed sda math in HS [16:34] but i think you need to take the derivative and set it to 0 [16:34] O_o [16:34] alisonten1home: the 7.1 is not from -current. I haven't switched to 64bit [16:34] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF89D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] ha nice [16:35] alisonken1home: that's kind of what I was wondering is if perhaps I inadvertently removed something not listed in the pacakge. [16:36] mancha: well I don't think so -- I am just using the path'ed gcc to create the binary. [16:36] LnxSlck (~LnxSlck@bl15-10-243.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:36] BrokenCog, ok - where did the 7.1 package come from? [16:37] source? [16:37] yes [16:37] GNU [16:37] I used the .configure defaults, then makepkg then installpkg. [16:38] hmm - the only other thing I can think of might be some config options, but don't know about gdb since I haven't used it [16:38] (well not the PREFIX defualt obviounly [16:38] okay. [16:39] It only happens on core files also -- not the binary, which gdb loads fine. [16:41] BrokenCog: pure curiosity, what does file(1) report on those core files? [16:41] empty ... !? [16:42] hah .. thats probably a problem [16:42] i assume that means they are zero-length [16:42] i would say so yes [16:42] oh geez [16:42] not much debug info there. =\ [16:42] we've been mislead once again [16:42] indeed [16:42] any channel for forensic stuff? [16:42] computer related [16:43] it is NOT a problem which appeared when gdb was upgraded, it is someone trying to debug an empty core file [16:43] i didn't think to check the file ... need to figure out why ther core file isn't being generated. [16:43] rule 1: size of file, rule 2: file [16:43] s/to check the file// [16:44] i faintly recall using a system once that restricted core files to a certain size, not sure where that was defined... shell maybe? [16:44] slackytude: What is it you need to do? [16:45] limits [16:45] mancha: yeah, probably [16:45] yes, the core is normally not dumped without ulimit -c [16:45] help ulimit [16:45] Alan_Hicks, recover borked ntfs file system [16:46] which is unlimited - the core file is created but the contents aren't dumped. [16:46] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:46] ahhhh [16:46] whiskas (~mc@87.72.242.147) joined ##slackware. [16:47] Hi, how can I check what processes uses a certain device? [16:47] whiskas: lsof [16:47] File perms. !!! [16:47] whiskas: lsof [16:47] dang stupid mistake. [16:47] ananke, thumbs: cheers [16:47] slackytude: You could try here: http://linuxleo.com/ [16:47] Alan_Hicks, thx [16:48] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [16:49] nvision (~nvision@g225062163.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:49] LnxSlck (~LnxSlck@bl15-10-243.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:50] in other news, has anyone had any luck with ATI's catalyst drivers lately? [16:51] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:52] BrokenCog (~Daniel@125.213.207.141) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:57] all by a sudden I cannot play audio on my system. Is there a way to check which process(es) are using /dev/dsp? [16:57] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [16:58] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_chrrr [16:58] lsof | grep dsp [16:58] ff's flash plugin is notorious for this [17:00] adamk, I did that, didn't print anything [17:00] mancha, makes sense - what I was using right before it stopped working [17:00] kill the flashplayer.so process [17:01] mancha hmm.. there's no such process. it's been running in firefox, if that makes any difference? [17:01] whiskas, do a killall firefox-bin [17:02] kutani, nope, that didn't do it either... [17:02] what are you trying to play audio through now? [17:02] what program [17:03] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:03] xmms [17:03] kutani, it tells me /dev/dsp might be busy [17:03] restart xmms and try again, if you haven't already [17:03] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-231.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:03] kutani, did that. also tried playing flash movie in firefox again - no sound there either [17:03] sweet [17:03] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:04] kutani, the only way I've been able to solve this before is to reboot. but that's just annoying [17:04] true that. maybe zap your X sesssion? better than a reboot anyway [17:04] adamk_ (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [17:04] http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ heh kde3 revived [17:05] kutani. I'll give it a try... thanks [17:05] whiskas (~mc@87.72.242.147) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:07] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:08] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:08] sahko: hah! by the time that really gets some steam, kde4 will have finally picked up the slack most likely [17:10] probably [17:12] I'd kind of be interested to see someone take it and really trim it, make it a solid XFCE competitor. [17:12] kutani: But not interested enough to do it yourself? [17:13] FriedBob: I'm a fluxbox user. : ) [17:14] Like I said... [17:16] eh. it would end up getting mired in QT3 obsolescence, and probably not worth taking the time to port the whole thing to another toolkit [17:16] anybody tried a WM like this: http://www.linuxlinks.com/portal/content/reviews/WindowManagers/Screenshot-dwm.png [17:16] i run Awesome on my slack box here at work. it is DWM-inspired and very nice to work with [17:17] emacs + screen here. :D [17:17] nice [17:17] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:17] kutani: have you tried a few others [17:18] http://awesome.naquadah.org/ [17:18] dustybin: i've at least touched pretty much everything at some point. [17:18] awesome would suit a nice low powered netbook [17:18] infact, it would be awesome! [17:19] FriedBob: im in a screen session now [17:19] hah yeah probably. it is surprisingly memory-hungry, though. way more than it should be. at least the 2.x series is. never could get the 3.x stuff to build right [17:19] aye ok [17:20] omfg oil spill [17:21] ##slackware: mode change '+o Alan_Hicks' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [17:22] Topic changed on ##slackware by Alan_Hicks!alan@cardinal.lizella.net: Guidelines: http://is.gd/bYfOG | Public Channel Logs: http://is.gd/bYfRK | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | http://gallery.slackadelic.com | Torrent: http://is.gd/bYfM0 | Security: irssi, fetchmail, pidgin | Slackware 13.1 Released [17:22] oh snap [17:22] ##slackware: mode change '-o Alan_Hicks' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [17:23] kutani: does awesome make a productive environment? [17:23] now lets all slashdot slackware [17:23] i dont need lots of icons on a desktop, what is the point [17:23] 13.1 will now steal my evening :-( [17:23] r_linux (~r_linux@189.38.220.35) left irc: Quit: aw shit! [17:23] wheee! [17:23] whee indeed [17:24] WOW!!!!!!!! [17:24] :D [17:24] dustybin: depends what you do, but yes i think it does. [17:24] Action: dustybin feels excited [17:24] kutani: ace :D [17:24] Action: kutani gets his mirror script ready [17:25] dustybin, yeah definitely check awesome out and learn how to get around. it has some really keen concepts [17:25] Yep [17:26] no surprise visit from pat to announce? [17:27] kutani: slackware 13.1 + awesome 3.x :D [17:27] google chrome os is a bit like what awesome is [17:28] but awesome has the advantage of having terminals next to the browser :D [17:28] Action: kutani types: mirror-slackware-current.sh -f -r 13.1 (w/ kudos to AlienBOB) [17:28] volkerdi (3321@connie.slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [17:28] good hello! [17:28] Or mirror-slackware-current.sh -f -r 13.1 -a x86_64 [17:28] huzzah! [17:28] Hi volkerdi [17:28] why, greetings alienBOB! [17:28] Heya volkerdi o/ [17:28] alienBOB I default to x86_64. : ) [17:28] volkerdi: hello! [17:29] y0 volkerdi [17:29] this is perfect timing, i ordered £300 worth of new server bits this morning, should arrive in a few days [17:29] good day for a release [17:29] sonofa.... oh hey Pat! [17:29] kutani: :-) [17:29] oh? O_O [17:29] volkerdi: Mornin' [17:29] great day for a release, even [17:29] greetings volkerdi [17:29] yay 13.1 [17:29] I noticed a new k3b was out this morning, but we really needed to get off the treadmill [17:29] i didn't see the smoke machine and strobe lights on volkerdi's entrance :) [17:30] are there any instructions on how to upgrade to a new release? [17:30] UPGRADE.TXT [17:30] Action: pupit plays some music [17:30] k thx ._. [17:30] Can someone make a bot for Pat's entrance that does that automatically? [17:30] nooooo [17:30] Roin, http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.1/UPGRADE.TXT [17:30] :-P [17:31] Lithos (~me@vc-41-26-217-21.umts.vodacom.co.za) joined ##slackware. [17:31] Torrents are live - http://trackers.transamrit.net:8082/index.html?sort=11 [17:32] thanks [17:32] volkerdi: congrats on the shiny new slack [17:32] Sir_Gallantmon (~ngompa@c-75-65-157-183.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:33] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:33] slakmagik: thanks :) [17:33] Pat Volkerding? [17:33] should we wait for the mirrors to get synched or dive right in [17:33] dreamerns (psybnc@barbossa.ns-linux.org) joined ##slackware. [17:33] volkerdi: yesterday some "berke" asked if he can volunteer, did he contact you? [17:33] Sir_Gallantmon: yes? [17:33] wow [17:33] you are actually here [17:33] volkerdi: I have a question for you [17:33] ohboy [17:33] It's straterra [17:33] its tough being a rock star [17:33] volkerdi: I modded rc.inet1 for iproute2 support and gave it to Robby, who said he passed it around. [17:33] volkerdi: The answer you're looking for is /ignore. ;-) [17:34] Heh [17:34] Nah, the question is valid [17:34] lol [17:34] dreamerns (psybnc@barbossa.ns-linux.org) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:34] {www,ftp,rsync}.slackware.org.uk has complete ISOs and tress ready to go :) [17:34] straterra: we know how to do that, thanks [17:34] Skywise: i am already syncing from a mirror, water looks fine to me [17:34] volkerdi: thanks for creating Slackware [17:34] aawwww, and I'm supposed to go to bed, won't have time to upgrade ='( [17:34] I've also added ipv6 and maybe some bridging/vlan support too. Have you messed with it at all? [17:34] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:34] I may have not got my start in Linux on Slackware, but I learned the most about Linux when I went through the experience of setting up a Slackware machine [17:35] hello_mot0 (~hello_mot@122.177.184.50) joined ##slackware. [17:35] I learned how intricate and bitch-ugly Linux could be when running Gentoo; I am now experienceing the flip side :) [17:35] where is compiz manager? [17:35] ... [17:35] Really, although I know it might pain some people, the rc.inet* scripts were never intended to work for every situation. They are supposed to be simple and fairly readable, and give an example of one way to do things. [17:35] hello_mot0: you are the compiz manager [17:35] I never realized how much I didn't need X until I went Slack [17:36] volkerdi: are you using some kind of version control for the slackbuilds? [17:36] I am not [17:36] tell me [17:36] I am telling you [17:36] the eye candy effects manager [17:36] volkerdi: thank you!! [17:36] A customized rc.inet1 is a better idea, IMHO, than having a mess of the provided script [17:36] volkerdi: thank-you [17:36] What mess? [17:36] exactly [17:36] volkerdi: cheers on a fresh release. my lappy has been singing with RC2, and now is ready for the real thing. Huzzah! [17:37] My rewrite isn't a mess. [17:37] Infact, I cleaned it up. [17:37] whats the command to invoke compiz manager? [17:37] I even fixed it so it didn't use depreciated Bash stuff. [17:37] does it replace ifconfig and route? [17:37] it would be nicer if dhcpcd had ipv6 support [17:37] It uses iproute2, so yes. [17:37] bah [17:37] hello_mot0: system settings [17:37] So, you have ip [17:37] Which is TONS better anyway. Tons more flexible and a more consistent command base. [17:37] volkerdi: cool thanks :D [17:38] which option in system settings [17:38] cant find [17:38] hello_mot0: its in kde-menu if you use kde [17:38] Also, my rc.inet handles the old dotted subnet masks or CIDR. [17:38] got it [17:38] Alan_Hicks: thanks for the irc foo [17:38] thanks pupit [17:38] hello_mot0: np [17:38] and my latest version handles ipv6, with dhcpv6 support...and interface specific enabling/disabling of ipv6 [17:38] And global enabling/disabling [17:38] hello pat. any chance for the inclusion of pam and the re-inclusion of gnome at some point in the near future? [17:39] volkerdi: I have never said hello before, but I just want to let you know you are my hero :) [17:39] lol [17:39] heh [17:39] hahaha [17:39] pam is for frying pans [17:39] volkerdi: Put in a good word for me with raela. ;-) [17:40] Hell, my rc.inet1 works with existing configs without modification [17:40] Alan_Hicks: sure :) [17:40] FYI: {www,ftp,rsync}.slackware.org.uk has complete ISOs and tress ready to go :) [17:40] straterra: you are granted with permission to use it :p [17:40] um... I'm probably dense, but where is UPGRADE.TXT ? [17:40] volkerdi: watch out though: raela can be a weird girl ;-) [17:41] adaptr, http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.1/UPGRADE.TXT [17:41] hello_mot0 (~hello_mot@122.177.184.50) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:41] sahko: that..wasn't the point [17:41] oh inside the tree - thanks [17:41] the point was it was supposed to be passed around the dev team [17:41] And interest was expressed in it.. [17:42] its in the root directory [17:42] ppl this iso "ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current-iso/slackware-current-18_May_2010-DVD.iso" is the final slack 13.1 stable ? [17:42] OpenSys: no [17:43] OpenSys, we won't know until you try it [17:43] OpenSys: as alienBOB said theres torrents. use those [17:43] i'm crossin my fingers tho [17:43] afaict isos are not in mirrors yet [17:43] volkerdi does the silence mean no? [17:43] :) so continue in beta [17:43] volkerdi: will the new k3b come in a 13.1 update down the line, or just in -current? assuming -current [17:43] no its been released today [17:43] Anyway, I'll shut up about it. Your interest is apparant. [17:43] lol [17:44] he's prolly flooded with pms and whatnot [17:44] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [17:44] wow, being Pat is though! [17:44] pms is different from pm's [17:44] lol [17:44] lol [17:44] not to me [17:44] ha :) [17:44] flooded with pms? sounds awful [17:45] trhodes: hehe [17:45] there's no easy way to upgrade from the 13.1 repo? what's the easiest way - rsync ? wget ? [17:45] i don't like either of 'em [17:45] adaptr: there is a upgrade.txt [17:45] Action: admboom looks forward to getting my subscription DVD in the mail [17:45] sahko: the isos are on my mirror :) [17:46] Tadgy: great [17:46] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [17:46] slackware.org.uk [17:46] i wouldnt mind a slackware tshirt, impress the girls :D [17:46] hey everyone :) [17:46] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-73-75.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [17:46] Complete isos, ready to be downloaded. [17:46] dustybin, got one [17:46] :D [17:46] dustybin: I know, I am reading it, it doesn't mention how I get those new packages... there's nothing to sync [17:46] <[yop]> have you a doc for installing slackware in complete chroot ? [17:46] its a riot [17:46] need a new slack shirt, "chicks dig slackware" [17:47] hehe [17:47] but not for obvious reasons [17:47] [yop], installpkg --root [17:47] adaptr: if you've got the disk space, check out alienBOB's mirror-slackware-current.sh script. i use it to keep local repos to upgrade from [17:47] I heard chicks digged reddit karma, they should definitely dig slackware too [17:47] <[yop]> from another os [17:47] proof of that is the 3:1 female-to-male ratio on ##slackware [17:47] :) [17:48] mancha: you bought that ? you poor sod... [17:48] Action: mancha dcc's adaptr some clue(tm) [17:48] hehe... sorry [17:48] multitasking [17:48] [yop]: which OS? [17:48] [yop]: that would probably not work because of your other os's kernel which is different from Slackware's [17:48] osuosl should have ISOs, too [17:49] I _think_ they also have a lot of bandwidth [17:49] kutani: and if I haven't got the diskspace ? surely there is one recommended way to get those upgraded packages ? [17:49] volkerdi: dont think so . checked 5 mins ago. even slackware64-13.1 tree is incomplete in osuosl [17:49] volkerdi: The osuosl slackware-isos/ repo for rsync needs a password... [17:49] which I believe is only given to mirrors? [17:49] <[yop]> debian adrien [17:49] no iso's on osuosl yet, I just checked now. [17:49] seems more complete now though [17:50] I see 13.1 32-bit ISOs are half there [17:50] It's going from one machine to another over fibre, so it should not be a long wait. [17:50] adaptr: you really want a local collection of files, since the recommended upgrade method involves dropping to init 1 [17:51] kutani: don't tell anyone, but runlevel 3 worked fine in my tests [17:51] kutani: yes, I was probably thinking of slackpkg :$ [17:51] however, still need to GET those packages - how ? just wget the entire tree ? [17:51] volkerdi: hehe! i don't like to take chances on my end. [17:51] [yop]: as alienBOB mentionned, the different kernels will be a problem anyway, virtual machines maybe? [17:52] <[yop]> chroot is a virtual machine :/ [17:52] No it is not [17:52] not really [17:52] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Read error: No route to host [17:52] really not [17:52] chroot is nothing at all like a virtual server. [17:53] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [17:53] Anyone who wants the ISOS like *now* better connect a torrent client [17:53] Wow, do I need a Pabst Blue Ribbon. :-D [17:53] adaptr: your best bet is probably to grab the ISOs if you can and upgrade from cd/dvd. i don't think using slackpkg is a good idea for a number of reasons [17:53] There's no place that I'd rather be than right here... [17:53] Action: dafydd gives volkerdi a beer [17:54] Action: adrien hugs Alan_Hicks [17:54] dafydd: ahh, thanks [17:54] really? :-) [17:54] adrien: No not really. I'd much rather be at home. [17:54] Action: volkerdi goes to get a non-virtual beer [17:54] Ahh damn toobad I'm away from the pc right now [17:54] pbrs himself asap [17:55] Action: rab13s will join the party shortly [17:55] kutani: I didn't say I was contemplating using slackpkg, I meant I have gotten used to using slackpkg to automatically update/download etc.. but slackpkg is not an official tool, and at times like these I am reminded of that :) [17:55] slackpkg is official, afaik [17:55] I will hook up ze torrent, and contribute a bit too [17:55] I have been using slackpkg a lot for upgrading my computers [17:55] slackytude: however, it cannot do a release upgrade [17:56] sure can [17:56] really ? [17:56] As long as you keep control over what you let it do, it is an ideal tool [17:56] not recommended maybe [17:56] but for 13.0 -> 13.1 [17:56] I'd have to tweak the repo it uses [17:56] why not [17:56] alphad64 (~alphad64@196.201.85.206) joined ##slackware. [17:56] gmartin (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:56] adaptr: you can use it to upgrade to 13.1 from 13.0 [17:56] so you can use slackpkg to upgrade from 13.0 to 13.1? [17:56] alienBOB: heh [17:57] Action: adrien waits for slackware.no to catch up [17:57] HOW ? just change the repo defs ? [17:57] alienBOB: you need to put the 13.1 repo into the mirrors file to do that right? [17:57] damn jet lag =/ [17:57] xsamurai (~jamonyou@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [17:57] alienBOB: has it been tested? i'm curious. i always get nervous when dealing with the core libs [17:57] First thing to do is point it to a 13.1 mirror, then "slackpkg update ; slackpkg upgrade slackpkg" to get the latest version of the tool [17:57] change mirror. update, upgrade-all, install-new [17:57] 13.1 is same as current 19/05 right? [17:57] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:58] Step 1- Read UPGRADE.TXT. [17:58] well, the biggest change between 13.0 and 13.1 is probably the /dev/hdX -> /dev/sdX rename if you have such hardware, could be pretty annoying though [17:58] powtrix: seems so [17:58] Step 2- Read CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [17:58] Step 3- follow instructions in steps 1 and 2. [17:58] Then the fun can begin.... but be sure to blacklist the kernel-huge* kernel-generic* kernel-modules and kernel-firmware packages so that you can use "installpkg" for those and test the new kernel without losing the currently used one [17:58] Alan_Hicks: I put a README.TXT once and someone told me I'd have more chance to have it read if it was named FREE_RUSSION_BRIDES.TXT, probably true ;-) [17:58] s/RUSSION/RUSSIAN/g [17:59] I.e. let slackpkg upgrade everything except those kernel packages is the safest way [17:59] whats the slackpkg equivalent of upgradepkg --install-new ? does upgrade all imply it? [17:59] user2438 (~user45925@76.235.37.216) joined ##slackware. [17:59] sahko: there is no such equivalent [17:59] people have been using slackpg to upgrade between version since the dawn of time [17:59] so how do you install the new packages? [17:59] Alan_Hicks: But I dont have any CD's or DVD's left here :x [18:00] Alan_Hicks: So I think using slackpkg might be a good alternative ^^' [18:00] install from a directory or mounted partition [18:00] For you SBo users out there, we're not ready to go live yet, but http://slackbuilds.org/gitweb/ might be interesting [18:00] slackpkg will never touch packages that you do not already have installed... unless such a package was actually added to Slackware recently [18:00] Roin: That sounds like a personal problem. :-) [18:00] or wait... [18:00] rworkman: ah, very cool [18:00] volkerdi: yeah, so, are you using some kind of version control for the slackbuilds? currently I'm running rsync, diffing the changelog and throwing everything in git, it works well, but I wouldn't mind if it were simpler [18:00] Alan_Hicks: uhm just a wild guess: downloading the DVD ISO-> mounting the ISO to /mnt/w/e and using that to upgrade as in the instructions? [18:00] huh? there is slacpkg --install-new [18:00] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [18:01] Sir_Gallantmon (~ngompa@c-75-65-157-183.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Sir_Gallantmon [18:01] Roin: That could work, yes. [18:01] rworkman: thanks [18:01] ok will try that then [18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422348.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:01] sahko, alienBOB slackpkg --install-new [18:01] or am I confused [18:02] gosh, just why is it taking so long to mirror from osuosl. hmmmmmmmmm. [18:02] slackytude: that will not work for packages that you forgot to install, say all of KDE [18:02] adrien: Sorry, I do not use version control. It's pretty scary. ;-) [18:02] BEcause "slackpkg --install-new" will only install those packages where the ChangeLog of the latest release says "Added" [18:03] ...or RAID, or backups; it's all running on a single 400GB IDE USB drive [18:03] ah ok, thats what i asked [18:03] volkerdi: hahaha, ok, no big deal anyway [18:03] Alan_Hicks: howdy [18:03] I guess you could do slackpkg install slackware [18:03] heh [18:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422348.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:04] so [18:04] when does 13.2 come out [18:04] fail [18:04] gar0t0: howdy [18:04] meh [18:04] chess: about the same [18:04] awesome on the new release guys [18:04] Which of the mirrors is the 'primary' one? [18:04] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [18:05] ftp.slackware.com. Sweet. [18:05] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: bye [18:05] volkerdi: iproute2 ick (or was it ugh?); version control scary. Interesting. [18:05] straterra: At this point, I'll call ftp.osuosl.org the primary mirror [18:05] Which is empty. Sucks. [18:05] Alrighty. [18:05] should i avoid using 13.0 slack-builds on 13.1 ? [18:05] sinuhe: what? [18:06] sinuhe: well, my first times with git have seen some big failures :-) [18:06] dustybin: YMMV. mine has [18:06] I don't even sync slackware.org.uk against slackware.com these days - I pull everything from osuosl. [18:06] dustybin: you can try them, but they might not work [18:06] straterra: primary mirror does not mean _you_ can access it [18:06] ok ace :D [18:06] dustybin: see the faq about bash4 [18:06] alienBOB: Why is that? [18:06] adrien: I've had good success with git. Not sure what is wrong with iproute. [18:06] ok will do [18:06] sinuhe: Nothing..its pretty much superior in every way [18:06] sinuhe: it's easy to get things wrong with git at first, that's what I meant ;-) [18:07] alienBOB: I can access it fine.. [18:07] james (~james@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) joined ##slackware. [18:07] volkerdi: Congratulations! [18:07] straterra: well, probably iproute2 is not a passing fad ;-) [18:07] XGizzmo: danke! [18:07] Since the primary mirror is for seeding the secondaries perhaps? [18:07] adrien: It's easy to get things wrong in Unix in general if you're not paying attention. [18:07] Nick change: james -> Guest74581 [18:07] Nick change: Guest74581 -> xRay [18:07] Tadgy (~tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) left irc: Quit: BitchX: No windows left! [18:07] volkerdi: It's definitely not a passing fad..Well, no more than Cisco as a networking is a passing fad :) [18:08] networking company^ [18:08] Action: volkerdi worries about iproute2 then [18:08] sinuhe: amend a commit you've already pushed, you don't expect that to preven you from pushing again ;-) [18:08] Just because Cisco is here to stay doesn't mean it's not a steaming dog turd. [18:08] (yeah, it's in the docs but readin 5k pages of docs before doing anything...) [18:08] amen [18:08] adrien: Good point. Nothing like git pull --rebase going boom! [18:09] See that, that's Cisco. And this is Shinola. [18:09] Action: chipster opens a Blue Moon on this recored hot/humid day :) [18:09] Alan_Hicks: expensive dog turd just seems better [18:09] Tadgy (~tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) joined ##slackware. [18:09] *record, even [18:09] volkerdi: BTW..the iso went in pub/slackware-iso/slackwareblablabla instead of pub/slackware/slackware-13.1-iso [18:09] chipster: nice choice [18:09] gmartin (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] volkerdi: I have extra for the Mrs. :) [18:09] Oh good, that's Honeypi's favorite. I'll call her over. ;-) [18:09] Hurray, my mirror is done! : D [18:10] Alan_Hicks: If you've ever worked with quagga and open source alternatives..you'd know that Cisco equipment is VERY nice and consistent [18:10] I know it. Staying inside today I hope. Terrible down here :( [18:10] ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware-iso/slackware64-13.1-iso/slackware64-13.1-install-dvd.iso [18:10] chipster: Yeah, it's like we got relocated to down south. [18:10] Cisco is anything but nice. Consistant... that I can agree on. It's consistently a pain in the ass. But nice? Not at all. [18:10] I love how we 'sotans complain about the WX no matter what :) [18:11] It's very nice. [18:11] 13.1 just got released an hour ago? [18:11] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [18:11] yeah, you totally missed it [18:11] not even an hour probably [18:11] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:11] I am number 25 in the torrent peer list for x64 [18:11] i was running around screaming like a giddy little schoolgirl because i'll be going to princeton this summer :) [18:11] chipster: I got a nice pic of the house taking a break late last night [18:11] http://slackware.com/~volkerdi/private/haunted.jpg [18:12] cool pic [18:12] holy shit - came out *perfect* [18:12] very nice pic [18:12] volkerdi: haha, nice one ;-) [18:12] that's an awesome pic [18:12] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:12] volkerdi: very nice shot [18:13] Sir_Gallantmon (~ngompa@c-75-65-157-183.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:13] guess i'll upgrade my lappy to 13.1 tonight when i get home [18:13] are there many changes between RC2 and release? [18:13] my dearest congrats, i was testing the 13.1 rc1 and it worked for me as a charm [18:13] not that iw on't find out in about a minute [18:14] Sir_Gallantmon (ngompa@c-75-65-157-183.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [18:14] now im dl'ing the 13.1 and i hope its like the last. [18:14] volkerdi: sorry if that nfs-utils-1.2.2 bug report I filed turned out to be bogus! [18:15] i did get some weird errors with audacious on the laptop... but i'll play with 13.1 and see what happens [18:15] kutani, No, just two packages from what I see, and only one of those is likely to effect the average user. [18:16] We did run into some expected stuff with the nfs-utils bump -- it wasn't supposed to do anything with nfsv4 if you look at the config options. It seems to be correctly compiled though, but some installations might have to use "-o vers=3" [18:17] The installer uses "vers=3" for nfs installations [18:18] ha... this is right up there with "don't be evil": http://www.gandi.net/no-bullshit [18:18] (tm) [18:19] volkerdi haha! i like it [18:19] xsamurai (~jamonyou@69.43.199.101) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:20] Tadgy (~tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) left irc: Quit: HEY! Must be the BitchX! [18:21] alienBOB: yeah. I was just having some weird issues after the nfs upgrade mounting from my slackware 11 nfs server. [18:22] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:22] that's pretty awesome volkerdi [18:23] Haven't seen a bill saying my DVD has been sent. It's been a few years since I've had a subscription. Does it take awhile to ship? [18:24] volkerdi, Alan_Hicks, alienBOB, whoever else, cheers all! i am all up to date with 13.1 release now. time to head home and relax. : ) [18:24] nice kutani, enjoy it :) [18:24] volkerdi: whats the reason for maintain 14 (soon to be 16) of Slackware, from 8.1 upwards? isnt that a bit too much? also afaik there is no timeline when support for a certain release ends. [18:24] s/of Slackware/versions of Slackware/ [18:25] Heh. Read the web site release note. [18:25] not even red hat or debian or even microsoft provide support for that long [18:25] sahko, why not? pat and co have done a good job of keeping system maintenance pretty painless [18:25] Silly me [18:26] I've never heard anyone complain about too much support before... [18:27] Necos: well for example as we were discussing here the other day, older releases dont seem to get ALL security updates available for them [18:27] so its a 'quirky' situation already [18:27] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [18:28] Roin (~florian@p5B2BF89D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya all o/ [18:29] When you pass 7 years of support, that's when you start tying down the system, removing unused applications, setting read only your /usr filesystem, and convincing volkerdi to add SELinux... [18:29] Action: sinuhe ducks [18:29] hehe [18:29] fun :P [18:29] I really don't think we'll be adding SELinux soon. [18:30] but it's just *so* much *fun* [18:30] caramelcoated (~caramelco@user-vcausqc.dsl.mindspring.com) left irc: Quit: caramelcoated [18:30] :( I actually like SELinux. I do think too many rely on it as if it were magic, though. [18:30] As for supporting all the way back to 8.1, we keep talking about EOLing everything older than 12.0, but if updates still compile, and it's not too much trouble, why not keep them coming? [18:30] volkerdi: I agree. [18:31] tomoyo! [18:31] s/I agree/Thank you/ [18:31] Action: pupit googles eoling [18:31] Guest92591 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:31] end-of-life [18:31] 11.0 is worth supporting for a while IMHO, since it's the last 2.4.x kernel based release *and* it was rock-stable. [18:31] In fact, I still have an 11.0 vm that I keep updated with /patches, just in case :) [18:31] rworkman: Yeah. I keep thinking about doing an 11.1 [18:31] RaNdY (randy@shellium/member/randy) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:31] (only half kidding) [18:31] haha [18:31] hehe [18:31] hehe [18:32] 11.1 would be interesting though [18:32] I built a recent 2.4.3?? kernel on it [18:32] volkerdi: just want to thank you and everyone here for all that you do on Slackware. Been with it since 9 and every release has been a pleasure [18:32] ClaudioM: thanks :) [18:32] init[1] (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [18:33] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest61838 [18:33] slackware.com [18:33] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [18:33] Ugh [18:33] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [18:33] Action: volkerdi remembers to tweet [18:33] sinuhe, 404 [18:33] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [18:33] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:33] slackware.com still mentions a Sparc port. I have a Ultra Sparc 10 I'd love to switch to Slack (currently running OpenBSD) [18:33] does anyone know if any of the mirrors have the 13.1 iso yet? [18:33] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] slacktude: Thanks [18:33] er, for dvd [18:33] s/ack/acky/ [18:34] sigh [18:34] raela: theres torrents [18:34] meh [18:34] raela: connect to a torrent [18:34] volkerdi: have you watched some good movie recently? :) [18:34] anyone running ARMedSlack on anything? [18:34] bene curious about some of the smartbooks out there [18:34] rworkman is [18:34] sweet [18:34] On a sheevaplug [18:34] ...ugh, right, thanks [18:34] And MoZes of course [18:34] So..ext4 is the 'default' FS these days? [18:34] raela: I told you, you don't listen to me ='( [18:34] ext4 or brtfs [18:34] volkerdi, As I recall, wasn't the initial plan when Slack switched to 2.6.x to do extended support for 11 anyway (I.E. more than just security updates)? [18:35] ClaudioM: my firewall is a sheevaplug running armedslack [18:35] brtfs? Isn't brtfs still..really unmature? [18:35] Been really keen on the Lenovo Skylight...I'd love to see ARMedSlack running on that at some point (if possible) [18:35] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [18:35] rworkman: very nice [18:35] dive told me the iso torrents weren't going *glares* [18:35] straterra, some switched to it. meego, next ubuntu and next fedora will use btrfs, afaik [18:35] So soon? [18:35] Good. Let them figure out the bugs in it. [18:36] heh [18:36] rworkman: yeah [18:36] rworkman: Too bad that approach wasn't taken with ext4 :P [18:36] Every distro seemed to hop on ext4 pretty quickly [18:36] my EeePC is running just peachy on ext2 [18:36] ext4 has been fine on every machine around here [18:36] straterra: There's a difference in that ext4 was declared stable [18:36] rworkman: I know a couple of people who have had repeated corruption with it..but..YMMV, obviously [18:37] And it works great here. Kind of nice to have that instead of ext3 when periodic disk checks come around. [18:37] true. that an obvious improvement [18:37] Personally, I don't touch ext. XFS for the SAN, JFS for the laptop..and AIX [18:38] it makes sense for meego (or however its called) By the time they have a proper rrelease btr is stable :P [18:38] nessundo1ma (~mike@78-134-68-137.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [18:38] straterra: you run AIX on your laptop? hardcore. [18:38] isnt btrfs primarily aimed at servers? ala zfs? [18:38] volkerdi: No, but I run FBSD on it..well, some variant of it [18:38] AIX for the IBM servers [18:39] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-73-75.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Disconnected by services [18:39] "It used to be said [...] that AIX looks like one space alien discovered Unix, and described it to another different space alien who then implemented AIX. But their universal translators were broken and they'd had to gesture a lot." -- Paul Tomblin [18:39] Nick change: nessundo1ma -> nessundorma [18:40] AIX isn't all that bad [18:40] I hear it isn't all that good either. [18:40] These days I'd use FBSD on a PPC, if given the choice [18:40] volkerdi: Reminds me of when I had to support Xenix and OpenServer. [18:40] AIX is pretty damn stable [18:41] So is Multics ;-) [18:41] We've had maybe 50x the problems with Linux than we have with AIX..but we don't have that many Linux issues either [18:41] slackytude: meego should release in less than a month ;p [18:42] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:42] proper release [18:42] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [18:42] like preinstalled on a phone [18:42] not some beta for nerds [18:42] straterra: I tried putting fbsd on a ppc mac recently...sysinstall had a bug with partitioning at the time I tried it [18:42] arm version for iphone should be nice [18:42] xD [18:42] ClaudioM: which version? [18:42] hahah [18:43] 9 is pretty sexy [18:43] straterra: 8-release [18:44] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:44] I should try it on a PPC and see how it goes [18:44] Power 5? [18:44] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:45] the only issue was partitioning (as mentioned on the fbsd site) but using another part manager might work [18:45] this was on a G4 eMac [18:45] Ah, ok [18:45] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:47] slices are kinda weird [18:47] It's basically just like LVM [18:48] yeh, i just saww it as a container for hte partitions, but straterra's example is much better [18:48] i still dont use lvm... only seen it used with fedora and ubuntu [18:48] i use lvm on my netbook [18:48] to combine the 4 GB and 16 GB [18:48] i should read up on it [18:48] README_LVM.TXT in the tree [18:49] Necos: Slackware can use LVM.. [18:49] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [18:49] LVM is great. I have a primary partition to hold kernels and initrds, and everything else is LVM [18:49] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:50] yeah I think /boot has to be its own partition [18:50] tha'ts how I set mine up [18:50] I for one, HATE initrds [18:50] 2nd that [18:50] Action: rworkman likes them. [18:51] the lab workstation had lvm set up under centos, but I didn't put it back with slackware [18:51] I'd like to see only one kernel for both install and runtime - using an initrd image for either one. That would simplify things [18:52] rworkman: Might as well just get rid of "huge" then, but it's probably good to provide a kernel that does not require an initrd. [18:52] I've never used initrds but I change kernels pretty often and I don't really see the point [18:53] volkerdi: yeah, *my* goal would be only a "generic" kernel (well, perhaps still a generic and genericsmp for 32bit) [18:53] My goal is to change things as little as possible ;-) [18:53] I know ;D [18:53] thats a decent goal. and makes sense. look at kde for example [18:54] What's wrong with KDE? [18:54] the only problem with initrds IMO is if you forget to update it when compiling a new kernel [18:54] straterra: its 'semantic' [18:54] nph0rm (~chatzilla@p5DDD901D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:54] heh [18:54] a least it's not symantec....then I'd really have issue [18:54] I'm not a fan of change.. I'm all for keeping things pretty much the same :P [18:54] lol [18:55] Necos, I've had that happen a few times on the laptop, but it's easily fixable. [18:55] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [18:55] volkerdi: that's why I love Slackware:) thank you for your exceptional work and dedication...I've been using since 10.0 and it is always rock-steady for me. [18:55] We're pretty happy if at the end of a devel cycle we have upgraded nearly everything but do not need to rewrite a lot of docs. [18:55] hitest, ++, I've been using it since 12.0 [18:55] fire|bird, i'm just absent-minded... so i've been one to use the huge kernel to avoid that [18:55] volkerdi: What about xorg? [18:55] Slackware uses a pretty old version, doesn't it? [18:55] straterra: what about it? [18:55] since 9 here, dabbled with 8.0 a bit [18:56] Action: volkerdi slaps straterra [18:56] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:56] straterra: not really [18:56] i started using slack back with the version bump to 7 :) [18:56] What, you want the broken version? Feel free. [18:56] Necos, lol, on the laptop I always use LVM + LUKS, I just sometimes forget the initrd is there, I quickly find out on a reboot though. :) [18:56] so 1.8.x turned out to be broken? [18:56] fire|bird: lol [18:56] i really like "changing things as little as possible", a very underappreciated idea, and not understood by most [18:56] fire|bird, remember the PITA i was having getting 13.0 on my laptop? [18:57] Necos, haha, yeah, sure do [18:57] Action: BP{k} resists change ;-) [18:57] smoooth: "if it ain't broke...." [18:57] ClaudioM: if it ain't broke .. find fire|bird .. he'll break it for you. [18:57] and then when i upgraded to current and got bit by libata :) [18:57] lmao [18:57] hahaha [18:57] lol [18:57] lol BP{k} [18:57] BP{k}, "If it ain't broke, keep going until it is" ;) [18:58] 1.8.x, while probably not totally broken, switches from HAL to udev. It's a nice goal, but it would be completely stupid to have put that in 13.1. There are a lot of known problems with udev starting to load X.Org drivers before X even starts. Now, anyway... those things will be worked out over the next Slackware devel cycle. [18:58] BP{k}: only fire|bird? man, I think I'd trash it sooner.. or oh, does he want it recoverable.. [18:58] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:58] hehe raela, we still <3 yew :P [18:58] raela, you tend to break things beyond a fixable state. :P [18:58] volkerdi: thanks, what I had figured too (1.8 happened too late in the cycle to motivate the change) [18:59] frankie made me absolutely murderous earlier.. wouldn't properly transfer files to a usb stick and umount it [18:59] ended up scping them and putting them on a stick on my laptop [18:59] raela: you know, computers do what they're told :P [18:59] :-) [18:59] v4nelle (~van@79.107.213.106) joined ##slackware. [18:59] X.Org in Slackware 13.1 is 20 days old. [19:00] theres probably no point in moving to 1.8.x while both kde and xfce still rely on hal [19:00] which sniffer works with wireless usb sticks on linux? [19:00] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [19:01] nph0rm: aircrack-ng? [19:01] volkerdi: any thoughts about my /usr/share suggestion? [19:01] adrien: yeah well frankie wasn't umounting! [19:01] hmm ok, ill try this [19:01] thx straterra [19:01] Yup yup [19:01] http://lwn.net/ has a 13.1 release note [19:01] raela: what does that mean? [19:01] BTW, check out the backtrack wiki for device support [19:02] s/suggestion/question [19:03] sahko: Honestly, there isn't any real difference if a package installs man pages to /usr/man or /usr/share/man, because the symlink puts it in the right place anyway. Maybe makepkg should just stop complaining about /usr/share/man. [19:03] adrien: it means the workstation was having inappropriate relations with the usb stick -_- [19:03] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:04] volkerdi: i know, but trying to build packages that install in /usr needs either manual intervention, using custom options or even worst patching the makefile. i think it would simplify things a bit. [19:04] for example if you look at makefiles from applications using qmake they all use /use/ [19:04] welcome volkerdi, thanks for the release =) [19:04] /usr/share* [19:04] raela: well, because of you: you stick it in! [19:05] raela: I was asking for more details ;-) [19:05] LVM rocks, just don't forget -L in the mkinitrd command like I just did. [19:05] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrag' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [19:05] oh, topic done =P [19:05] adrien: psh. it was supposed to get files to put on the stupid windows box. I bet the tech would've freaked if I told her to use winscp.. bah. next time I will -_- [19:05] Action: adrien pats phrag :P [19:05] ##slackware: mode change '-o phrag' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [19:05] adrien: I've had a few issues with frankie and usb sticks, actually. I don't know why [19:06] As the one who's pretty much maintained xorg in Slackware, I'll just say that xorg-server-1.8.x was not desirable. Yes, I actually looked at it before reaching that conclusion. [19:06] Action: phrag jumps around excitedly \o/ [19:06] evening phrag [19:06] sahko: My point is that the only thing we really need is to make sure manpages in /usr/share/man are compressed in a package. Otherwise, it works fine. [19:06] raela: care to detail? When? umounting? [19:06] Generally speaking, if something doesn't play well with the systme as a whole, and I/we can't make the rest of the system play well with it, then it's put on hold. [19:07] I guess the only reason I try to keep them in /usr is that they have always been there, and there was no reason for them to move. [19:07] XGizzmo: hey =) [19:07] yeah, thats relevant to the change you mentioned above [19:07] even if its not that important [19:07] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-66-236.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:08] adrien: as in, I stuck the usb stick in, went over to my laptop and ssh'd in, mounted, transfered files (went in a second whereas it took a minute or so on my laptop), then umount just.. stood there. gave it a minute, ^C'd out, pid was still in ps x, tried kill -9, nothing, got pissed and yanked the stick out. twice. [19:08] Lithos (~me@vc-41-26-217-21.umts.vodacom.co.za) left irc: [19:08] I think I will make a martini for myself in honor of the new Slackware release. [19:08] oh... [19:08] hey, how do you get gdb to output whats happening while the program is running, i did "gdb --pid=xxx" and connected to the process then "continue" to make the program continue, normally i just wait for it to crash and do a backtrace but its not crashing but it is generating an error and i wanna see whats going on live [19:08] nice XGizzmo :P [19:08] I may soon need a mozilla developper so I can kill him [19:09] you can buy one on ebay for 100 usd [19:09] btw guys, if you plan on adding an extra LUKS disk, and add to /etc/crypttab , be sure to move the LVM scanin rc.S to *after* LUKS section... or it won't detect the second LVM layout (without another vgscan) [19:09] ok, hopefully that was seamonkey and not firefox because I would have lost about 25 tabs [19:09] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-145-98.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [19:09] sahko: 1000 USD? definitely worth it ;-) [19:09] i said 100 not 1000 :p [19:10] raela: ok, next time try 'sync' first [19:10] AND *WAIT* [19:10] adrien: in retrospect, it may have been that it was still copying and cp just let me back to the shell right away. but still [19:10] sahko: even better ;p [19:10] volkerdi: submitted that to you, but i guess it's an unsupported layout.. easy enough local fix tho =) [19:10] adrien: I don't have patience.. if it gives me that shell back, I want to use it and move on, damnit [19:10] raela: well, caches [19:10] raela: ... [19:10] rofl [19:10] adrien: my laptops don't give it back to me until cp is done ;/ [19:11] until cp is done, but that doesn't mean the copy is done [19:11] well it seems to be done every time! it umounts without issue [19:11] there was a problem in the kernel where 'sync+umount' was *much* faster than only 'sync' [19:11] I think it got partly fixed in 2.6.35 [19:12] my laptops and the workstation should be on the same kernel [19:12] alienBOB: the link to your VLC package on your blog post announcing 13.1 is broken [19:12] phrag: Yeah, that came in kind of late, but we will look at it. I've found that there are times that the order of things has to be changed in rc.S -- there's just no "one way". Not sure if this is one of those yet though. [19:12] adrien: just checked, they are.. um, though this one is tagged -smp and the other isn't, but they [19:12] 're both labeled #2 SMP.. still [19:13] odd [19:13] raela: I meant that you can have delays and you won't always notice the problem (and I think it doesn't apply to you considering the filesystem on your usb stick), but sync, umount, and *wait* [19:13] it depends on the layout, if i had lvm then luks, would be different again, a little check after might be usefull.. not immediate nor a problem tho [19:13] volkerdi: ^ [19:13] raela: is one 64bit? [19:14] nvm [19:14] adrien: indeed, the workstation is [19:14] then it's expected it's not -smp [19:15] adrien: well.. next time I go to umount on frankie, I'll go get water or use the bathroom or something [19:15] adrien: it didn't help that I had the labtech there waiting for files [19:16] volkerdi: been loving -current tho for some time.. good work =) [19:16] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [19:16] raela: if you never even remotely try to figure out / fix the issue, it probably won't go away =) [19:17] should go to bed, 1:15am here and I'm almost sure to wake up at 7am [19:17] hehe [19:17] adrien: who knows, maybe there's some stupid configuration thing to not hold up the shell until cp finishes.. it just makes no sense to me :P [19:18] raela: cp returns when the kernel tells it the data has been copied, after that, it's possible that the kernel hasn't actually written everything [19:18] adrien: the files appeared in ls! it just likes messing with me.. really.. [19:19] the kernel [19:19] blkdg (~blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [19:19] it pretends everything's synced but it isn't actually [19:19] you'd get horrible performance otherwise [19:19] XGizzmo: we're writing a finger daemon to manage the 'on call' rota =P [19:20] then why doesn't it do it with my laptops.. all 3 are on 13.0 stock, unless the difference is with 64 vs 32 bit [19:20] hi, what version of java jre comes with slack 13.1 ? [19:20] Check a mirror [19:20] It's faster [19:20] jre-6u20 [19:20] i tried http://ftp.belnet.be/packages/slackware/slackware-current/FILELIST.TXT but all i see is gcc - java stuff [19:20] raela: because the computers are different? or because I can't tell anything 6000km away and without you providing any information since you haven't tried to get any? =) [19:21] thanks phrag [19:21] adrien: what information is there to get! the damn thing does what it does to irritate the hell out of me :P [19:21] I see it now -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 21079390 2010-05-08 22:28 ./source/l/jre/jre-6u20-linux-i586.bin [19:21] thanks again [19:21] blkdg (~blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:21] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-68-137.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:21] raela: you girl :P [19:22] adrien: totally. though my other laptop is starting some crap.. if I have my wrist too heavy on the keyboard, the sound starts to skip.. pretty sure that's not good news [19:22] v4nelle (~van@79.107.213.106) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:22] adrien: fix that from 6000km away please :( [19:22] raela, when your computer is not behaving i blame udev [19:22] gah, mosquitos ='( [19:22] heavy handed =P [19:23] Well folks, I gotta run. Meeting of the Sebeka Lions Club on the hour, and I'm the secretary and have to get tonight's agenda ready. [19:23] raela: You have a solder crack [19:23] later, volkerdi [19:23] Have fun! [19:23] raela: womm a virtual hug do? =) [19:23] cya =) [19:23] thanks, volkerdi :) [19:23] congrats on the release pat [19:23] Skywise: maybe, I just blame it on hating me [19:23] see you volkerdi [19:23] thanks volkerdi [19:23] take care Pat [19:23] straterra: there are several case cracks all over it... wouldn't surprise me [19:23] and thanks btw [19:23] adrien: totally [19:23] thanks everyone! :-) [19:23] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. [19:23] bye [19:23] volkerdi (3321@connie.slackware.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:24] raela: s/womm/will/ btw [19:24] now he doesn't have to come back for another 3 years [19:24] raela: I have a laptop at work like that..except theres a solder crack on the mother board [19:24] lol [19:24] If you unflex it..the whole system locks up..flex it, goes back to normal [19:24] amazon10x (captain@liberstation.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:24] straterra: 7 to 8 months ;-) [19:24] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-234-169.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:24] straterra: I think I know of 5 cracks in it.. and the lcd is bad. sometimes it hangs on boot and I got a segfault once that I couldn't explain.. poor thing [19:25] bah, tab-fail [19:25] meant for Skywise [19:25] adrien: I figured it was will [19:25] i've been seeing errors on xfs and swap parts [19:25] heh [19:25] 2.6.24.5 [19:25] straterra: last I counted, it was a bit over 150 single pixel wide vertical lines.. it has all sorts of pretty colors [19:26] Slackware 12.2.0 [19:26] nph0rm (~chatzilla@p5DDD901D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539] [19:26] SunTzu: hardware failure? [19:27] i hope not [19:27] the swap err were write-er* [19:27] dmesg? [19:27] but a reboot does solve [19:27] nothing signif [19:28] xfs reports errors on a ush-hd; umounts sdb-dev and remounts as sde, which is strange to me [19:28] but i dont know, sdb2 is empty/unused [19:29] hints? 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[19:50] i will be trying my hardest to get slackcraft going (with wine) =P [19:51] anyone know the reason the kernel stopped using /dev/hda and started using /dev/sda for everything? [19:52] Skywise: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_19#head-cdcbaa9c1b476decdc064e0a75d23d1328b1ddce [19:52] libata [19:53] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [19:54] oh that was worse then i thought of [19:57] btw this is written for 2.6.19 when it was introduced. its much more mature today. the warnings dont apply [19:58] that covers the jist of it, it was just a restructuring of the driver [19:59] vasuvi (~vasuvi@pool-71-112-197-172.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:04] slackaholic (1000@187.68.44.198) joined ##slackware. [20:06] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:08] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-234-169.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [20:12] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-30-90-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. 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[20:28] i get it on my laptop, which is one 13.1 beta [20:29] Guest78725 (~dafydd@d173-183-148-219.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:30] Does anyone have a slackbuild to upgrade alsa drivers? [20:30] usually just update the driver packages via slackpkg these days [20:31] slackpkg upgrade alsa* [20:31] there is no alsa drivcers package [20:31] Slackware now uses the kernels version of these drivers [20:32] right... i mistook libs for drivers (oops, bad!) [20:32] anybody knows which app make /etc/modprobe.d/sound?buacause i see that it is not on slackware packages... [20:32] alsaconf [20:32] :) [20:32] thx [20:33] XGizzmo: Is there a "safe" or "proper" way to upgrade just the alsa drivers? [20:33] well, gotta go afk for a bit, bbl [20:33] peacedog, upgrade your kernel pretty much [20:33] Tadgy (~tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) joined ##slackware. [20:34] amazon10x (captain@liberstation.com) joined ##slackware. [20:35] Necos: I don't think that's the answer. I need the latest alsa drivers. Minimum version 1.0.22, preferably 1.0.23 [20:35] peacedog, the drivers, or the library? [20:36] v4nelle (~van@79.107.213.106) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:37] thrice`: The libs, utils, etc. all have build scripts, no problems upgrading those. [20:37] its in 1.0.23 in 13.1 [20:37] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.140) joined ##slackware. [20:38] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-114-174-121.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:39] peacedog, ok, there's a difference between those, and the 'drivers' :) [20:40] I used src2pkg to build a pkg for the drivers, installed it, it worked, but every time I reboot, I'm getting "unresolved symbols" and sound doesn't work. [20:40] escaflown (~escaflown@74.48.166.196) joined ##slackware. [20:40] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: brb [20:41] It's getting quite tiresome! ;-) [20:41] it's generally not recommended to use the -drivers over what the kernel provides [20:42] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-30-90-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:43] Tadgy (tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) left ##slackware. [20:45] oldhp (~oldhp@d232075.tidewater.net) joined ##slackware. [20:45] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:47] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:47] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [20:48] I've upgraded drivers before, sound, wireless, etc. without problems. I'd like to do it without making a mess though. I'd like to do it with a "package". [20:49] What I've done in the past is just compile from source and install. There's not a good way to keep up with where everything "goes" doing it that way. 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[21:17] Hi, I have a usb headset which is supported by alsa and the kernel. /proc/asound/cards lists it as card #1 how can I configure alsa to use the headset rather than the main speakers (card #0) apologies if im being naive i dont know much about alsa [21:21] congrats on the .1 release!!!! thanks for all your hard work! [21:21] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:22] juice (1000@67.48.16.165) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:23] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. [21:24] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:28] alphad64 (~alphad64@196.201.85.206) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:30] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [21:31] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6B071.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.136.118) left irc: Quit: I'll be back... 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[21:46] thumbs: It seems to be broken enough already [21:47] Slackware 13.1 x86 stable is released! :) [21:48] shyko: x86_64, too [21:48] raela: :) [21:51] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-71-254-80-246.lyncva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Peace out ;-) [21:51] fire|bird (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Quit: When music is the weapon, we are all indestructable. [21:51] fire|bird (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [21:52] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:52] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] slackaholic (1000@187.68.44.198) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:00] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:01] |Slacker| (~cris@189.117.5.12) joined ##slackware. [22:06] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:06] As soon as GSB 2.30 comes out, I'll be upgrading. [22:06] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.136.118) joined ##slackware. [22:08] oh wow, this is gonna be a busy week. [22:09] Prefect (~Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [22:09] godane (~arch@c-75-68-6-221.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:11] paul424 (1000@156.17.163.223) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [22:12] bbbbbbatman (~batman@75.110.36.127) joined ##slackware. [22:12] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [22:15] lol (~void@c-71-197-176-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] lol? [22:16] no. [22:16] Nick change: lol -> Guest38874 [22:16] suid0 (~Sergio@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:16] just checkng something for someone [22:16] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:16] Nick change: Guest38874 -> botnet [22:16] I have to upgrade all my boxes [22:16] I just got the secret CD key for Slackware 13.1 [22:17] I don't need to register! [22:17] I have to download 32 bit and 64 bit :/ bah [22:17] im being told bbbbbbatman is muted in here, he asked me to request he be unmuted [22:17] im assuming he was muted for being a giant asshat, however [22:18] indeed he is muted. perhaps he should come back later [22:18] antiwire: huh? [22:18] I got the CD key cracker for Slackware 13.1 [22:18] cteg (~heretic@host-091-097-172-095.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [22:19] Action: CathyInBlue pummels antiwire severely about the head and shoulders with a halibut. [22:19] lol [22:19] antiwire: I'll see you the secret code to unlock the extras for $5 or a chocolate bar [22:19] i'm gonna get the 0day pirate release of slack 13.1 [22:19] s/see/give/ [22:19] Suhana (~vash@host81-158-117-21.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Imma outta here [22:19] no I want five bucks AND a chocolate bar. Dark chocolate, no less. [22:19] suid0 (~Sergio@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [22:20] dude dark chocolate is mine [22:20] Action: CathyInBlue offers antiwire her dark chocolate Reese's peanut butter cups to STFU and GTFO. [22:20] raela, dark choc is MINE [22:20] he's been muted for about a month now [22:20] is that the berst you can do is suggest he come back later? [22:20] Capt_Nemo (~Capt_Nemo@adsl-75-54-86-87.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:21] botnet: man, he must've done something awful [22:21] well you see, they're more reluctant to remove them then they are to put them on in the first place [22:21] dive: no! you can't take it from me! [22:21] muhaha [22:21] i have no idea what he did [22:21] he has no idea what he did either [22:22] you'd have to see who did it and ask them why [22:22] grepping logs, sec [22:22] Has anyone here successfully set up a serial Bluetooth connection? [22:22] I refuse to use Bluetooth. [22:23] whats wrong with bluetooth [22:23] RF sniffers [22:23] ..'cause then you woul be CathyInBluetooth? [22:23] just use a long passkey [22:23] I'll use a long USB cable. [22:23] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-70-18-147-193.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] botnet: he spammed about ubuntu here [22:24] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [22:24] heya,folks [22:24] ...soooo, has anyone successfully set up a bluetooth serial connection? [22:25] (I have but I can't remember how I did it) [22:25] XDS2010 (~48520ba5@gateway/web/freenode/x-sznjciskffolycvp) joined ##slackware. [22:25] Are you asking about under BlueZ 4 in Slackware 13.1, or just in general? [22:25] CathyInBlue: long usb cable for my mouse is bad.. I keep putting my foot though the loop, then send my mouse flying when I go to stand up and pull my feet under me [22:26] could someone do me a huge favor and package adobe air up ? [22:26] BlueZ under 13.1 [22:26] i can't find a slackware package around anywhere for it [22:26] Things have changed from 13 to 13.1/ [22:26] XDS2010: i think it has its own installer? [22:27] no [22:27] Yeah, 13.1 is on BlueZ 4, it is a completely different system than BlueZ 3 [22:27] iI can't figure out two things... 1) Where do you now put the passkey. 2) How do I link ttyUSB0 to dev/rfcomm0 [22:28] I'm getting agetty to listen for incoming bluetooth console connections... [22:28] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:28] Well, to start, BlueZ 4 doesn't accept passkeys in any configuration files anymore for security reasons. Pairing needs to be done with a DBUS helper app, which is not actually included in BlueZ [22:28] GREEEEAAAATTT' [22:28] You need something like BlueMan, KDEBluetooth, etc. [22:29] XDS2010, is the bin file for the Adobe Air an installer or the application itself? [22:29] I have Blueman but I really need this to be done via cli [22:29] MLanden: it's it's own installer [22:29] MLanden: the source app [22:29] the bin wont run on SW , you need to SDK package [22:30] Believe me, I feel you. But BlueZ is moving towards bigger things, and being able to configure it from the CLI has fallen to the wayside in the eyes of the developers [22:30] MS3FGX: did you submit an article to a certain Quarterly magazine? [22:30] Yes, that would be me. [22:30] Well, that blows.... [22:30] I have that quarterly and I saw and read your article [22:30] cheers! [22:31] So, if I pair it up using blueman, will the setting stick on next startup (without opening X)? [22:32] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:32] marchhare (~marchhare@cpe-184-59-28-192.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:33] antiwire, Thanks, hope you liked it. [22:33] I did ;) [22:34] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/adobe-air-install-698034/ [22:34] Capt_Nemo, Yeah, once something is paired it's information will be retained until removed. If you HAVE to do it on the CLI, the only way I know of is to use the "simple-agent" tool which is located under the /test directory of the BlueZ source. [22:35] It is very very basic, but it is enough to get two devices paired if X is not an option, or if you just don't want to go that route [22:35] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [22:38] Thanks MS3FGX.... [22:38] XDS2010 (~48520ba5@gateway/web/freenode/x-sznjciskffolycvp) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:39] oldhp (~oldhp@d232075.tidewater.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:39] Let me tell you what I'm doing... I have a RS-232 to Bluetooth adapter that I plug into windows machines.... Then I have a little bluetooth adapter on my netbook. I pair them and run a putty console to my net book [22:40] botnet (~void@c-71-197-176-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:40] pupit (p@unaffiliated/pupit) left ##slackware. [22:40] I had this all working fine on Slackware 13. [22:41] 13.1 will not boot, no surprise for me, Im wondering if theres a way to bypass the b43 module so the machine will boot [22:42] rab13s: boot from a cd and blacklist the module? [22:42] Yeah, BlueZ 3.x was a lot easier to work with, and personally I felt it was a much better fit with the Slack philosophy. But unfortunately all the new work is being done in the 4.x branch, and some parts of BlueZ 3 are so old they are basically useless anymore. [22:42] try starting the system into runlevel 1 [22:42] I don't know if that will help though. I think the modules will still be loaded [22:42] :( [22:43] Oh well, I'll soldier on.... I'm loving 13.1 though! [22:43] All of my netbook issues just went away [22:43] Once paired, you shouldn't have a problem with your setup as far as I can see it. The rfcomm part of BlueZ 4 is identical to the older releases [22:44] It is probably the only thing that wasn't overhauled, now that I think of it. I suppose not a whole lot you can do differently with serial port virtualization [22:44] If I shutdown and restart the machine and NOT run blueman again, will the pairing setup stay so I can do my cli business? [22:45] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-151-207.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:46] Yeah, the encrypted PIN and all device information is stored under /var/lib/bluetooth/DEVICE_MAC forever (or until manually removed) [22:46] Okay, here's another dumb question (because I can't remember how I did it before): How do I link the ttyUSB0 (in inittab) to the /dev/rfcomm0? [22:47] I've got agetty litening to ttyUSB0 [22:47] listening [22:47] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:48] Have you tried just setting it to listen on /dev/rfcomm0? [22:48] raela: stupid questions get stupid answers, how do i try that [22:48] Duh, not yet... Lemme try it [22:48] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:49] Only problem I can see with that is if the RFCOMM connection is not up, there will be no /dev/rfcomm0. I don't know how gracefully it would handle that situation [22:49] rab13s: isn't there some sort of rc.blacklist? [22:49] rab13s: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf [22:50] It ususllay sends me endless RESPAWN notifications until I turn it on. [22:50] raela: if i blacklist the module, will I be able to activate it after boot? [22:50] Ah, I guess that makes sense. [22:51] rab13s: I'm pretty sure it just prevents loading, but I'm not 100% sure.. but.. it doesn't hurt to try [22:51] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: see ya [22:52] Naglfar (~Severance@80.Red-88-24-209.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [22:52] Very anoying [22:52] annoying [22:53] raela: so if i got one of those USB boot disks around I should use that [22:53] rab13s: yup. or even a slack install cd/dvd.. mount the drive and edit the file there [22:53] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:54] raela: gooood IDEA!!!! thank you [22:55] rab13s: hope it works [22:57] MS3FGX: any suggestions you come up with along the way to improve the bluez4 experience would be received well here - just fyi :) [22:58] Who do I complain to? :) [22:58] I just want to be able to do flat text file configuration and NOT need any GUIs [22:58] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:58] My testing of all this was more limited than I would have liked - I lost my *good* bluetooth phone and was left with only an old blackberry pearl that doesn't seem to do anything right in any OS. [22:59] So afr, Slack13.1 rocks... Bluez4 sux :( [22:59] far [22:59] Capt_Nemo: well, that's not Slackware - that's upstream. Feel free file feature requests, but be prepared for no response (at best - perhaps you'll even get negativity) [22:59] :) I get negativity alot. [23:00] Seems par for the course these days :/ [23:00] I guess that I'm just too positive... [looks around] [23:00] rworkman, It is interesting, I was actually working on a BlueZ 4 implementation for Slack after I sent Pat the rc.bluetooth* files that eventually went into 13, but before I sent it out to anyone I saw you had started up your own work :) [23:00] raela: it hangs on b43-pci-bridge or there about, is that even a module? [23:00] MS3FGX: hrm, how different was your stuff and mine? [23:01] IOW, what did you / would you have done differently? [23:01] Can one of you keep working on it and fix it? :) [23:01] rab13s: err I really have no clue. sorry. unless you know of a way for me to check.. [23:01] rab13s: is that a netbook? [23:01] Not very, the major problem I had was getting Blueman working on 13. For the life of me I couldn't get it to work reliably, but I believe I saw on LQ.org you had the same problems initially [23:01] b43 SHOULD be a braodcom driver [23:02] Broadcom wireless driver [23:02] It is. [23:02] Blueman also matured a lot from the time 13 was out till now, so that probably had a lot to do with it. [23:02] rworkman: laptop E725 [23:02] MS3FGX: I don't even remember now. The major problem with blueman was that damned Browse feature [23:03] anyone playing anywhere? lets go n00b rape! [23:03] rab13s: Pat had some sort of broadcom wireless nic (in a netbook iirc) that did the same thing. He replaced the hardware, but you could certainly blacklist the module [23:03] Well, Blueman says it's connected but, I got no chatter between the devices. :( [23:03] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-151-207.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] rworkman: is that how id list it? just as that "b43-pci-bridge" [23:04] As far as the B43 problem.... I miss bare.i [23:04] 13.1 boot either to that line, or acouple lines past that one [23:04] rab13s: boot the installer, mount the / partition, and do: printf "blacklist b43\n" > /mountpoint/etc/modprobe.d/b43.conf [23:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:05] rworkman: BRB grabbing my charger battery just shitted ot [23:05] out* [23:06] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:06] Capt_Nemo, What is the output of just "rfcomm"? Does it show the other device connected? [23:06] mishehu (~mishehu@rakdanit.shavedgoats.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.136.118) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:07] Yeah, my initial fight to get it to work under 13 was a PAIN because there were 50 different posts describing how to do it 50 different ways... IN UBUNTU. [23:07] SOMEHOW, I figured it out and it has been working OK (some disconnects) [23:07] But then I got this netbook and had to upgrade to 13.1 [23:08] RFCOMM: rfcomm0: 00:30:91:40:07:2E -> 00:1B:DC:50:08:F5 channel 1 connected [reuse-dlc tty-attached] [23:08] sligdoing 13.1 [23:09] so fast that! [23:09] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:09] rworkman: reboot after that? [23:10] Hm, and if you do something like "cat /dev/rfcomm0" and type something on Putty, you don't get anything? Not even gibberish? [23:10] rab13s: yes [23:10] Action: rab13s crosses fingers [23:10] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [23:11] rworkman: no such luck [23:11] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@adsl-99-20-199-131.dsl.sbndin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:12] http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/113567 [23:12] Nada.... Let me try somethin [23:12] oh crap wrong window ;) [23:12] arcaos (~arcaos@host-12-205-154.linksat.net.ar) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:12] May I point out that this is a Bluettoth to USB adapter and that I HAD to use ttyUSB0 before [23:13] bbbbbbatman (~batman@75.110.36.127) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:13] Capt_nemo: what is my b43 issue? [23:14] rab13s: that should have worked :/ [23:14] rab13s: did you chroot to the mounted partition? [23:14] sahko: no [23:14] evening [23:15] rab13s: try it , after mounting it [23:15] chroot /mountpoint [23:15] Is there a way that he can rename the b43 module in the modules directory so the kernel can't find it? [23:15] ? [23:15] MS3, still nada [23:16] Rab13s, take a needle and put a small scratch on the install disc where the B43 module is... :) [23:17] Action: rab13s on it [23:17] lol [23:18] Capt_Nemo, Strange. You say this BT adapter creates a /dev/ttyUSB0 when you plug it in too? [23:18] okay, here's a REAL "if all else fails" suggestion... pull the HD, install slack13.1 onto the HD using another machine... go into the modules dir and delete B43 and then reinstall in your laptop. Who says Rubegoldberg doesn't work??? [23:19] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.136.118) joined ##slackware. [23:19] or use the simple usb installer [23:19] No, MS3, SOMEHOW I made it do it on 13 [23:20] when I /dev/rfcomm0, I get garbage so it's now trying to talk [23:20] slackytude|evil (~slacky@f051041234.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:20] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:21] Well that is an improvement. It could just be a speed setting then. Try setting agetty to just 9600, and adjust accordingly in PuTTY. If that works, try going up through the speeds until you find where it messes up [23:22] khamsin (~khamsin@65.91.210.171) joined ##slackware. [23:23] It's not a speed problem.... I'm betting it's a lack of passwkey problem [23:23] passkey [23:23] The blue2RS232 adapter has a passkey, blueman didn't have a place for me to put one in [23:24] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:24] Capt_nemo: the only issue with that I see Is that i will need the b43 eventually since i got a b43 based chip [23:25] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:25] Action: rab13s should have invested in quality hardware [23:25] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:26] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:26] Let me tell you this.... B43 driver never worked for me on my Presario, the Linuxant wrapper driver did so, you MAY not need the B43 [23:26] Correction: never worked 100% for me... [23:26] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. [23:27] sleep time, thanks again everyone, i gotta continue this battle in the morning [23:33] McGravy (~Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [23:33] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:33] hello [23:34] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [23:35] does anyone here program in java and uses hibernate? [23:36] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:36] would anyone happen to know why slackware freezes while logging in graphically. I have no problems logging in on the command line. [23:36] oops [23:36] I drink Java to get out of hibernation... does that count? [23:36] nope I program in C++. [23:36] not very good at it yet. . . [23:37] kevin01123 (~user@97-91-232-86.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:37] I'm running Slackware 13. [23:38] kevin01123 (user@97-91-232-86.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left ##slackware. [23:39] it freezes up once it switches from tty1 to tty7 loading up xdm. [23:39] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:40] user2438 (~user45925@76.235.37.216) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:42] iceheart (~nihao@221.235.188.87) joined ##slackware. [23:42] guax: why would you ask questions about java and/or hibernate in a slackware chat room? [23:43] veritos (~veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:44] why not? slackware is great for development, just tried to find more devels [23:44] Action: veritos launches rsync and acquires alcohol to celebrate [23:44] mbohun, better then ask for PAM. =P [23:44] Try #java on this server might have a better time finding devs there lol [23:45] guax: i mean isn't there a java chatroom?, and or some j2e, database, persistence, hibernate, etc? [23:45] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [23:45] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [23:45] mbohun, im there too. [23:45] I probably should have tried #kde or some channel dealing with X11 [23:45] try ##java [23:45] ?? [23:46] slackware people are so anti-social lately [23:46] :/ [23:46] guax: shut up [23:46] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:46] Lately? What planet have you been on? [23:46] having problems with logging into my slackware box graphically [23:47] McGravy, what problems are you having? [23:47] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:47] Slackware peeps are only anti-social because they see how dumb people can be. No offense. [23:47] straterra, i love you too. [23:48] I get xdm loaded & it freezes at the login propmt or I get to the login prompt and login then it freezes while loading kde up [23:48] Wut? [23:49] hmmm... has your setup worked before, McGravy? [23:49] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:49] guax: and i love you too - too - despite the fact you are a retard :-) [23:50] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:50] we are all retarded in some way [23:50] but you are more [23:50] speak for yourself homey [23:50] mbohun, no, you are. xD~ [23:50] guax is cute like a retarded puppy that runs into walls, maybe [23:50] uaehuhueha [23:51] K_Dallas (~Korbain@cpe-24-210-250-27.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:51] Joe_McGravy (~Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [23:52] Nick change: Joe_McGravy -> Moe_McGravy [23:52] You're all assholes. [23:52] I feel better now. [23:52] guax: no, no - i m not asking in #freebsd if someone uses python, ruby, gardening, pottery or how to cook speed [23:52] Nick change: Moe_McGravy -> Joe_McGravy [23:52] rworkman: but everyone loves an ass.. look at how popular house is :P [23:52] This is true. [23:52] Takes one to know one, Robby. [23:52] *pew*pew* [23:52] I won't argue. [23:53] rworkman: I bet mine is bigger than yours! [23:53] back [23:53] er.. wait.. wrong contest... [23:53] Dominian: yes, your ass. [23:53] I for once think slackware users are awesomely friendly! [23:53] damn.. Like I said.. wrong contest! [23:53] McGravy (~Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [23:53] CathyInBlue: mind if I priv msg? [23:53] Dominian, next time we can compare password size [23:53] crappy internet connection keeps getting disconnected. [23:53] All the girls like to be treated like dirt. [23:53] guax: ooo [23:53] guax: I'd lose [23:53] CathyInBlue: you mean there was ever another option? [23:53] veritos (veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:54] oh no lady rage time [23:54] rworkman, you came talking about people asses and try to pvt some? perv [23:54] I am wondering how long guax is going to be here. [23:54] guax: well, I guess it could be interpreted that way; different reasons though :) [23:54] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.43.122) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:55] panzer: he's a regular. I don't always agree with what he says, but that's no reason for a ban. [23:55] Joe_McGravy (~Bob@96-24-193-140.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:55] danke [23:55] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [23:56] I don't agree with anything rworkman ever says [23:56] its safer that way [23:56] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:56] Probably [23:56] Plus.. he has a gun [23:56] so he wins! [23:56] Dominian: what if he were to call you a sexy beast? [23:56] raela: I'd have to debate that as well [23:56] raela, might be a trap, you never know. ;) [23:57] I certainly don't think I am.. and if I did.. I'd be narcisistic [23:57] well, true [23:57] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:57] "you are so sexy Dominian.. *rawr*" [23:57] ick [23:57] almost sounds like you're coming onto yourself. [23:57] I feel kind of dirty reading these words [23:58] fire|bird: Ever seen Fairly Odd Parents? [23:58] panzer, you see, im light here. [23:58] raela, with the stuff you talk about in ##slackware-offtopic, you shouldn't feel the least bit dirty about the words here. [23:58] Dominian, heard of, yes, seen, nope. [23:58] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:58] fire|bird: hey.. these people aren't there! shhhh don't let my secrets out [23:58] I am [23:59] raela, we have the logs [23:59] guax: ot logs are public like these :P [23:59] Dominian comes onto himself all the time ;-) [23:59] raela, OT logs AREN'T Public, the bot logs everything, but I don't make them public. [23:59] I hope he cleans up afterwards. [00:00] --- Tue May 25 2010