[00:00] err, Cheers vastina. [00:00] a wireless what, jjohnson? [00:00] Action: agentc0re raises glass [00:00] Plat: is someone moving your mouse when you look away ? [00:00] oh my, I can't remember. GPM was started and configured by the slackware installer. [00:00] everyone expects to open internet explorer and everything connects for them [00:00] wireless network, sorry [00:00] jjohnson: it doesn't? [00:00] :P [00:00] lol [00:00] jjohnson: pipe bitching to /dev/null kthx [00:00] plat chk in proc/$gpmpid/cmd [00:00] :P [00:00] alright [00:01] sorry to much headdesk at my work [00:01] Action: vastina raises glass back at agentc0re [00:01] jjohnson: i have users that don't know how to cut and paste. :P [00:01] hehehe [00:01] vastina: Happy hump day bro. [00:01] Action: godling fires laser beams into the raised glasses, burning holes deep into the eyes of agentc0re and vastina [00:01] Oh my god, it worked [00:02] what workd? [00:02] The laser. [00:02] just did a killall gpm and now my mouse cursor is back to normal [00:02] ok; but what of my question [00:02] my worst user was someone that owned ther pc for 3 years, didnt plug it in to power and when battery died, i asked her to plug it into the power and she asked how to do that? [00:02] i didnt suggest killall [00:02] godling: Okay you're "laser" POINTER is not a weapon for the billionth time! stop pointing it at me. [00:02] jjohnson omg that's BOFH stuff [00:02] oh no, I spoke to soon. the cursor is back to resetting again [00:03] agentc0re: yeah you're telling me [00:03] hehe BOFH rules [00:03] plat ok now answer my last question pls? [00:03] bofh is born of malice and spite [00:03] nothing like an american craft brewery beer from a can [00:03] vastina: yes, yes i am. :D [00:03] jjohnson and umm, historical web pages i've seen about help desk [00:03] now if only i could put some of my calls on bash.org [00:03] jjohnson: you can. [00:04] change the names to protect the m0rons [00:04] proc/$gpmid/cmd [00:04] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-179-140.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:04] plat np; pidof gpm [00:04] ah very well [00:04] plat else restart it [00:05] run, /etc/rc.d/rc.gpm start [00:05] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-135-10.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:05] i also loved when jerry from gold springs would call drunk and tell us to stop blocking his porn sites when he just kept fat fingering largenakedcheerleeders.com [00:05] agentc0re: http://www.wickedlasers.com/lasers/Spyder_III_Pro-84-37.html [00:05] lol [00:05] agentc0re: going to the great american beer festival this weekend? [00:05] alrighty, pidof returns 6740 [00:05] names and website have been changed to protect old dude that lives at hotel [00:05] plat ok; cat /proc/[pid]/cmd* to check for -R [00:06] so which is worse? Incompetent users or Incompetent IT? [00:06] both [00:06] bof [00:06] users [00:06] but i'd go with users; more fusterating [00:06] incompetent IT... [00:06] I HATE USERS GRAH [00:06] no excuse [00:06] i suppose having dolts in the IT dept has its advantages [00:07] i love when we get the, i work for IT call and they cant frigen get there IP address to us when we ask. [00:07] fuck lackeys in good positions [00:07] porn! [00:07] in this world you need to be oh so smart or oh so pleasant [00:07] [troll] bama fails on both counts [00:07] notalwaysright.com [00:07] bama? [00:07] plat file complete that, the name might be longer [00:07] yep [00:07] vastina: probably not, it's lame where i live. [00:08] who's that? [00:08] my little homage to disrepact [00:08] disrespect [00:08] agentc0re: where at? i'm in colorado, beer havenm [00:08] the prenteder in chief [00:08] heh [00:08] vastina: Utah.. [00:08] well; the liar in chief [00:08] agentc0re: you morman? [00:08] everyday I call the IT lady and tell her the project server is borked again [00:08] she restarts it [00:08] j/k [00:08] diven does she hafta? [00:08] vastina: hehe, no. :D [00:09] now she comes in and restarts it before i get there [00:09] heh [00:09] Quiznos: You seem older... [00:09] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.80.83) left irc: Connection reset by peer [00:09] good training. [00:09] i asked why [00:09] godling how so? [00:09] agentc0re: get to the other side of the range, i'll meet you in estes and we'll hit denver's GABF [00:09] she said that she cant fix it [00:09] lol [00:09] heh [00:09] Quiznos: your mannerisms [00:09] which? [00:09] Kumool (n=Monevo@adsl-64-237-231-19.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [00:09] the way you word stuff, your reactions and such [00:10] vastina: how's the fest up your way? large crowd? nice selection of beer/food? [00:10] godling ah. ty [00:10] You're like an old hippy, almost. [00:10] godling lol [00:10] godling: but he still has this in his whois: Real name: * I'm too lame to read BitchX.doc * hehehe :P [00:10] agentc0re: i'm in colorado, enough said.... best beer crowd on the rock short of some european crowds [00:10] heh [00:11] firedix (n=firedix@host191.201-252-158.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [00:11] vastina: if you mention Coors as best beer I'm flying to Colorado and laying waste [00:11] i'm off to THE great american beer festival in denver, www.greatamericanbeerfestival.com [00:11] "almost an old hippie" that's a classic [00:11] lol [00:11] bitlbee is awesome, cant believe i've been too lazy to set it up till now [00:12] godling: nah, coors is mass market beer... ie: distribution channels.... i'm talking about craft brewers [00:12] ah [00:12] http://www.drunkard.com [00:12] godling honestly, it's just my years of studying at home. college wasnt a productive time for me but in my bedroom i studied everything i wanted to know about [00:12] godling and I've forgotten more than most people ever know. [00:13] mank (n=jerware@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:13] and so modest [00:13] :) [00:14] it's not immodest to tell it. [00:14] kleanchap_ (n=chatzill@p5DC30CF6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [00:14] Kumool (n=Monevo@adsl-64-237-231-19.prtc.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0"). [00:14] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [00:15] compgenius999: be proud! http://noobfarm.org/index.php?id=1706 [00:15] vastina: tickets are sold out. [00:17] noobfarm never loads for me [00:17] brb [00:17] vastina: crash the gate [00:17] er [00:17] agentc0re: ^^ [00:18] tabfail [00:18] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc652100c.cns.vt.edu) left irc: "Leaving." [00:18] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:18] You hit a v instead of a, that's more than a tab fail. :P [00:19] agentc0re: already bought in advance [00:19] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] always sells out before the doors open [00:20] fire|bird: keys are right next to each other [00:20] sudo iptables -l FORWARD 1 -m mac --mac-source 00:1D:E0:99:E0:0B -j DROP [00:20] whoops wrong window [00:20] godling: What keyboard are you using? :P [00:20] On this one, it's 3 keys right and one down. [00:22] http://failblog.org/2009/09/18/science-project-fail/ LMAO!!! [00:22] this should be a WIN! [00:22] iptables -l ? [00:22] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.39.200) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:25] I know iptables -L [00:25] fire|bird: right next to each other [00:25] iptables -v -L [-t table] [00:25] it's a laptop keyboard [00:25] thats why id didnt work lol [00:25] every key is right next to each other [00:25] Plat (n=Monad@c-68-44-224-153.hsd1.de.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:26] ok time to try blockuser again lol [00:26] jjhonson what would you like to achieve? [00:27] block all traffic from user [00:27] and the best compliment to the beer... *sparks up* [00:27] :) [00:27] part of my dosage of *n?x zen [00:27] iptables -A INPUT -m --mac-source hexmaxhere -j DROP [00:28] i bow to your leetness [00:28] is it incoming you want to block or outgoing or both? [00:28] jasperhax0r (n=root@75-135-65-74.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:28] sudo iptables -I FORWARD 1 -m mac --mac-source 00:1D:E0:99:E0:0B -j DROP [00:28] sudo iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING 1 -m mac --mac-source 00:1D:E0:99:E0:0B -j DROP [00:28] here comes the reetleet [00:28] lol i just used me other system that already had a script for it [00:29] i have many aliases, jasperhax0r, jjohnson, jjjacer. but you can just call me jasper [00:29] can we just call you "The international man of mystery" instead? [00:30] sure [00:30] k [00:30] I will call you meatpuppet. [00:30] lol [00:30] :) [00:31] plat yvw [00:32] plat's x prob was with gpm also running but imporoperly. [00:33] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: "i need mobile interwebs" [00:34] worms in a microwave [00:34] thats great [00:34] ok who uses cheneyskisinjeans as a username lol [00:34] wtf [00:34] diven: worms? [00:34] vastina: search lkml for this: [Oren Laadan ] [PATCH 00/80] Kernel based checkpoint/restart [v18] [00:34] diven: why? [00:35] diven: who? [00:35] http://failblog.org/2009/09/18/science-project-fail/ LMAO!!! [00:35] godling the Diet :) [00:35] oh [00:35] ah yess that was a funny project [00:35] looks like some of that checkpoint stuff is eventually going into the kernel, ideally [00:35] what teacher allows that? [00:35] Action: godling prefers Peeps in the microwave. [00:35] so what is the diff tween ckpt and unexec()? [00:35] anyone heard of vivato access points? [00:36] rworkman: where do you read that? [00:36] im trying to trouble shoot some, model VA4200 but i cant find any documents on them [00:36] I could use some advice or suggestions as to what's causing the issue I'm dealing with on my friend's toshiba laptop. http://img188.imageshack.us/i/wtfglxgears.jpg/ right after I installed slackware 13.0 on it, if I was to run X -configure and use that xorg.conf, the system just hangs as soon as it tries to get into X. I can use the vesa driver no problem. Removed the xorg.conf temporarily, X starts up, but after a few minutes it [00:36] godling: nntp [00:36] linux.kernel [00:36] is that chkpt stuff anywhere near workiong right? [00:36] ah [00:36] mancha: no idea [00:37] I haven't used nntp in years [00:37] :/ [00:37] <- bad nerd [00:37] slackmagic: what graphics chipset? [00:37] it would be neat to freeze execution, i hope it prospers [00:37] same here [00:37] rworkman: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02) [00:38] could you imagine? [00:38] slackmagic: hrm... try one of the other intel drivers in /extra [00:38] slackmagic check that hal knows what hw is avail [00:38] slackmagic: he's not trying to run without hal and dbus, right? [00:39] rodrigo_prado (n=royopa@201-43-178-238.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:39] rworkman: tried 2.8.1 and it's still the same issue, I'll try to downgrade and use an earlier one [00:39] Yeah, try 2.7.1 [00:39] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:39] rworkman: thanks for the suggestions... i now have to sit and watch breakfast at tiffany's with the lady... exciting [00:39] rworkman: nope, I just set it up with full install and no changes whatsoever [00:40] slackmagic does hal recofnise all hw? [00:40] recofnise [00:40] vastina: :) [00:40] damn, r.e.c.o.g.n.i.s.e [00:40] slackmagic: okay, good [00:40] yea [00:40] afk [00:40] /cl/cl [00:40] http://www.ncl.cs.columbia.edu/research/migrate/crak.html [00:40] preserving network connections? [00:40] how? [00:41] _have to_ ? granted, a chick flick, but how can you say no to audrey hepburn? [00:41] mancha: behind her back [00:41] heh [00:41] mancha: armed with a revolver [00:42] oh wait, I'm thinking of Bette Davis [00:42] heh [00:42] you cant mix those two up [00:42] well you're not sposed to [00:43] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.224) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:43] ph|ber (n=phiber@68.142.181.165) got netsplit. [00:43] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) got netsplit. [00:43] psypete (n=psypete@li62-9.members.linode.com) got netsplit. [00:43] TkTech (n=TkTech@94.76.253.149) got netsplit. [00:43] mag0o (i=20001@74.255.51.210) got netsplit. [00:44] vastina: I like that movie. [00:44] vastina: It's got Hannibal from A-Team [00:44] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.185) joined ##slackware. [00:44] George someth [00:44] peppard [00:44] yea [00:45] godling so, you're colelcting evidence; are you ready to guess my age? rofl [00:45] rworkman: process checkpoints are really cool [00:45] i'm still waiting for an answer to ckpt and unexec() [00:45] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) returned to ##slackware. [00:45] TkTech (n=TkTech@94.76.253.149) returned to ##slackware. [00:45] psypete (n=psypete@li62-9.members.linode.com) returned to ##slackware. [00:45] mag0o (i=20001@74.255.51.210) returned to ##slackware. [00:45] ph|ber (n=phiber@68.142.181.165) returned to ##slackware. [00:47] rworkman: ah, now we're getting somewhere. http://img43.imageshack.us/i/271glxgears.jpg/ I guess 3D acceleration is turned off (since 300fps went down to about 60fps for glxgears). [00:47] that's with 2.7.1 [00:48] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) left irc: "leaving" [00:51] rodrigo_prado (n=royopa@201-43-178-238.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [00:51] pragma_ (n=pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:52] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:52] slackmagic: actually, that's probably okay -- the 2.7.1 driver reported the rates different [00:52] hvera (n=hamilton@200.251.188.130) left irc: "Leaving" [00:52] Grab the mesa update from patches and then see what glxinfo shows [00:53] vastina: just remember, the cat did it [00:53] my god, it's full of stars [00:53] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.93.222) joined ##slackware. [00:53] rworkman: ok will do that, any idea why I can't be working with a xorg.conf? with 2.7.1 it still would lock up if I use xorg.conf provided through X -configure [00:54] No, that's odd [00:55] antiwire: looking inside your ear? [00:55] 10 print "left" 20 print "right" 30 goto 10 [00:55] fatalnix_ (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:56] before i go and write a SlackBuild for digikam, does anyone know if there's a reason there is not already a SlackBuild for it? or if there there is one and I am just not seeing it? [00:57] notKlaatu: there appear to be four [00:58] notKlaatu: because it's either not ready for kde4 yet or no one created a new build yet [00:58] there's a 12.2 slackbuild for it, but not a 13.0 [00:58] notKlaatu: what antiwire said, 12.2 has a SlackBuild for digikam [00:58] ah ok, i forgot to check previous versions. [00:59] in that case i'll just compile from source and be happy. [00:59] I said there are four! [00:59] is this thing on? [00:59] haha yeah i saw godling [01:00] i just didn't believe you. [01:00] go to slackbuilds.org, select "all" and search for digikam :P [01:00] rocket surgery! [01:00] i'm gonna check though, because i do want to see how they get cmake to locate a libarary that it doesn't seem to want to find for me. [01:00] it is! [01:01] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [01:01] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:01] Nick change: Guest3663 -> reallove [01:02] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:06] jjohnson (n=root@officegateway.ethostream.com) left irc: ""-=--=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-==-=---=-=-=-=-==--=-==-WTF?"" [01:06] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:07] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:09] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [01:11] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [01:11] himm i dont think its a good thing that it shows me logged in from here root@officegateway.ethostream.com [01:11] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.93.222) left irc: "Leaving" [01:12] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@n146s183.ntc.blacksburg.shentel.net) joined ##slackware. [01:12] kiyoura (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:13] kiyoura (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:13] well im out, got school in a few hours and i still have 1hr left of work, 1hr, drive home, then an hour drive to school [01:13] jasperhax0r (n=root@75-135-65-74.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: "kill me" [01:14] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-1-213.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] Does anybody have experience running VMWare on a 64-bit OS? [01:15] Do I get a 64-bit VMWare to run 32-bit Windows? [01:15] or do I need 32-bit VMWare to run 32-bit Windows? [01:16] cmair (n=cmair@host231-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [01:20] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.143.126) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:22] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:22] Hi all [01:22] hello ganeshix [01:23] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "nothing like a high power laser in the eye :|" [01:26] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.92.170.84) joined ##slackware. [01:29] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: ":)" [01:33] cmair (n=cmair@host231-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:34] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [01:39] how can I set up terminals with slackware? [01:40] josefig: what kind of terminals? [01:41] host and guests [01:41] to access a server with slackware. [01:42] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: [01:42] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: "just to eat" [01:42] so you want to set up host machines running slackware to access your server? [01:42] aham :D [01:42] is that a yes? [01:42] yes [01:43] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:43] what kind of services are you running on the server? [01:44] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [01:45] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.73.93) joined ##slackware. [01:45] your question is very broad josefig [01:46] i'm running applications in java [01:46] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [01:46] applets? like in a web browser? [01:46] but i'd like to run on linux slackware and my terminals could access to the server and the applications. [01:47] no, graphic ones. [01:48] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) joined ##slackware. [01:50] so you want something like vnc? [01:51] you can tunnel vnc over ssh pretty easily [01:51] I've never done multiple vnc servers on one machine but I know it's doable [01:51] or just run whatever applications over ssh [01:52] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Client Quit [01:52] enable x-forwarding [01:52] Hermann (n=Hermannn@81.170.156.174) joined ##slackware. [01:55] Instained_Atom: I did that too [01:57] powtrix (n=powtrix@189.69.16.170) joined ##slackware. [01:57] I don't remember what was faster [02:02] powtrix (n=powtrix@189.69.16.170) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:02] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@n146s183.ntc.blacksburg.shentel.net) left irc: "Leaving." [02:07] misspwnage (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:07] hai [02:07] hey misspwnage, how's it going? [02:08] good [02:11] http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/news/reversible.html [02:11] sick [02:12] wouldn't reverse reverse engineering be "coding" and "compiling" [02:12] hehe [02:12] hah, the reverse is in terms of backward running [02:13] that said, i'm tired of reverse reverse engineering - calling that a day [02:13] mancha: you're tired of coding? [02:14] when is that reverse stuff happening? it's been discussed for a while now [02:16] gdb 7, it says [02:16] you can check it out from cvs [02:16] http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/news/ [02:18] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [02:18] I'm trying to compile tasque from source, but I'm having problems... [02:19] irc.gnome.org, #tasque [02:19] hrmm, not that eager, i'll wait for it to be stable [02:21] what does tasque do? [02:21] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-170.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:22] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [02:22] task manager [02:22] task manager or task master? [02:22] semantics [02:22] :) [02:22] jhw (n=jhw@p548F4252.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:23] fancy stuff like critical path or just a to-do list? [02:23] I don't know [02:23] I consulted Google :P [02:25] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-152-34-93.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [02:26] Anybody using tasque with Remember the Milk? [02:27] ganeshix: if you'll notice, people are asking about it so I doubt that anyone's using it. [02:27] I see... [02:29] The interesting part to me is that it can link to Remember the Milk. I intent to try it for that purpose. [02:29] godspeed [02:29] :) [02:29] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-170.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:34] ienh (n=ienh@rennes.elikya.com) joined ##slackware. [02:37] diabel (n=dziergaj@81.168.228.206) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:38] did anyone hear sheppard smith today say "there's a huge duststorm in a major city, thank god a foreign one" today? i was flipping and heard it [02:38] or something like that, maybe not thank god.. but that's nasty [02:40] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [02:40] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:41] Action: misspwnage hugs her laptop [02:41] I don't know who that is. [02:41] sup gangsters [02:41] godling, talking to me ? [02:41] it'sa mee mario [02:41] Oh, Fox News. [02:41] Action: fhobia is ready for 14.0 [02:41] yea [02:42] formerly known as nix_lix0r [02:42] i think the comment he said which i forgot was pretty nasty [02:42] jeev: Don't ever listen to anyone on Fox News. [02:42] :) [02:42] gah when i wake up tomorrow vista will be gone [02:42] phobia, 13 just came out give the devs a break and a chance to fix the bugs [02:43] 8) [02:43] they fix bugs ? [02:43] jeev: that's kind of like being appalled that Rush Limbaugh hates hippies. [02:43] oh, devs in general [02:43] godling, i dont.. flipping through channels [02:44] jeev: http://gothamist.com/2009/09/19/keep_fucking_that_chicken_double_st.php [02:44] Fox [02:44] lol [02:44] godling.. yea [02:45] flyhorse|linux (n=flyhorse@125.93.126.28) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:45] flyhorse|linux (n=flyhorse@121.13.159.111) joined ##slackware. [02:51] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.92.170.84) left irc: "Leaving" [02:51] You're welcome, Mr. Figueroa. [02:51] jerk [02:52] o0 [02:52] not even a thank you [02:52] c'est la vie [02:52] i have a webcam now =) [02:52] built into the laptop [02:52] *great* [02:52] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89CC8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:52] ;P [02:52] lol [02:52] now i can make monies online [02:53] not if it's a crappy webcam [02:53] 1.3 mega pixels. [02:54] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-177.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:55] Nick change: misspwnage -> nix_chixor [02:56] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-dooenaddqpwqzhln) joined ##slackware. [02:56] greetings [02:56] oh hai [02:56] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.92.170.84) joined ##slackware. [02:57] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:57] nix_chixor: If you're thinking of what I am for 'making monies', you'll want something with some kind of zoom. most laptops only have a fixed focus lens. [02:57] unless you sprung for an upgrade [02:57] he got me a custom laptop [02:58] it has zooming features [02:58] woo [02:58] the internet is for porn :P [02:58] that's fo sho [02:59] A laptop with a non-digital zoom webcame? [02:59] A webcam with non-digital zoom? [02:59] Why bother? [02:59] itg is digital zoom [02:59] least i'm pretty sure of it [02:59] Digital zoom is just interpolation. [02:59] godling, www.pornhub.com best one ever [02:59] Easily reproducable in software. [03:00] um, s'okay but thanks [03:00] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:00] lame [03:00] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-193-93.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:00] I don't know if you want to be posting those links in the channel nix_chixor :P [03:00] lol [03:00] i'm sure it's already been bookmarked by 50 people [03:01] sup milfpot [03:02] I decided to pop in since I am between sleep, anything interesting going on? [03:02] not really [03:02] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-193-93.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:04] the touch pad on this thing is crazy [03:05] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-193-93.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:05] morning [03:05] y0 slackytude [03:06] heya fire|bird [03:06] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:06] the vista widgets are burning my retinas [03:07] slackytude: How's it going? [03:07] fire|bird: all fine so far, wish it was friday tho [03:07] papajack (n=papajack@unaffiliated/papajack) joined ##slackware. [03:07] hello [03:07] fire|bird: how about you? [03:07] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [03:08] I'm seriously thinking about learning linux, and the best way to learn it is by installing and starting using it. Would you guys recommend slackware for a newbie ? Also what are other slackware-based distros? Thank you. [03:08] slackytude: excellent, thanks. I'm just messing with chromium [03:08] hai slackytude and fire|bird [03:08] hey nix_chixor [03:09] papajack: why do you want to learn linux? [03:09] hiya slackytude, fire|bird ;) [03:09] fire|bird, my mom got to see the kiddo on webcam before he went to bed because it's 8am there [03:09] work/school related, or just curious? [03:09] hey The-Croupier [03:09] fire|bird: hows it going mate? [03:10] nix_chixor: awesome, good to hear. I'm sure she was glad to see him on cam. [03:10] blackula (i=1000@97.81.105.128) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:10] The-Croupier: great, you? [03:10] feeling older than yesterday... was my 25th birthday yesterday.. :( [03:10] yeah he was trying to grap her so i was holding my hand underneath since he's drooling buckets [03:11] heh, Happy Belated Birthday The-Croupier [03:11] fire|bird: thanks for the belated wish ;) [03:11] nix_chixor: hahaha, he would have drenched your new laptop. :) [03:11] old fart [03:11] fire|bird, i know :P [03:12] nix_chixor: ohh no... thats what old_fogie would say :( [03:12] Action: The-Croupier missing him by the way.. [03:12] :( [03:12] nooper, Well first of all because it's open source. It offers much more than windows os. More secured. [03:12] nix_chixor: Just wait'll he starts hitting the keyboard to try and type. [03:13] And also, windows is starting to annoy me. [03:13] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [03:13] Then he'll laugh and giggle because the screen changes and the keys make noise. [03:13] Nick change: SIGBUS -> SIGSEGV [03:13] papajack, this is the longest i've had windows on a computer. about 10hrs [03:13] Every time Windows annoys me I think about Linux and suddenly it doesn't feel so bad anymore :P [03:13] :) [03:13] only reason why it is staying on tonight is because i'm beat [03:14] first time i started on slackware, it was pretty annoying not knowing how anything works [03:14] half life 2 and left 4 dead play perfectly on wine [03:14] amongst other games [03:14] on slack? [03:14] so i'm going to throw the slack dvd on [03:15] papajack, yeah [03:15] i see [03:15] the FPS actually looks slightly faster than on windows [03:15] nix_chixor: yeah, you better get slack installed. :P [03:15] fire|bird, oh i will [03:15] nix_chixor: every game seems to run better in wine... than windows..who sometimes feels like worst than wine [03:15] already have it burned [03:15] nix_chixor: good girl. :P [03:16] nix_chixor: put some sault on it to put out the fire :p [03:16] ha [03:17] slackytude: Wow, I'm just seeing Germany's first nudist hiking trail has opened. :P [03:17] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.73.93) left irc: Client Quit [03:17] saweet [03:18] nix_chixor: planning on some hiking now are we? :P [03:19] yeah [03:19] finally! [03:19] just need sunscreen and DEET [03:19] lol [03:19] after all these years, the dream has come true [03:19] haha [03:20] anyone using the toast pkgmgr? [03:20] wow, nice: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Moon_Monster2.jpg/800px-Moon_Monster2.jpg [03:20] Action: slackytude gets latex for windows [03:21] Quiznos: nope, I use bread pkgmgr. You know, BEFORE it becomes toast. ;) [03:21] hi, i need help with an implementation, i'm working with asterisk to open an electrical main door by using ethernet utp cable, how can I send the electrical pulse with linux trough out the eth cable ? but only 1 time not constant pulse. [03:21] blackula (i=1000@97.81.105.128) joined ##slackware. [03:21] i used it a few years ago before dormancy; but the author has revived his work on it. [03:22] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-177.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:23] no one ? :S [03:23] do ask other channs [03:23] josefig: hehe [03:23] [Kairos] (n=Kairos@unaffiliated/kairos) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:23] just do a single ping ^-^ [03:23] [Kairos] (n=Kairos@unaffiliated/kairos) joined ##slackware. [03:23] What's a recommendation for making a "crippled" user account? [03:23] ping ? [03:24] make a very limitted group? [03:24] josefig: Im kidding. I doubt that works over ethernet [03:24] redtricycle hihi use rbash as shell [03:24] see manpage [03:24] :( [03:24] ohhh, ill check that out [03:24] ls [03:25] josefig: you could hook up a cable on serial/ paralel interface or usb [03:25] wont go far with that [03:25] but better than ethernet [03:25] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.92.170.84) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:26] nice: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Grand_Prismatic_Spring_and_Midway_Geyser_Basin_from_above.jpg [03:26] adupuis_ (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:27] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.92.170.84) joined ##slackware. [03:27] wb josefig [03:27] sorry :p [03:27] crn__ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) joined ##slackware. [03:27] we were just cursing your bits and damning your bytes [03:27] :) [03:27] hrm [03:27] i can't specific /bin/bash -r [03:28] slackytude, so better with serial/paralel interface or usb ? but where can I get documentation to programm in linux and run the script with asterisk ? [03:28] as the default shell for the user [03:28] redtricycle why? [03:28] it says [03:28] "File doesnt exist" [03:28] redtricycle ln -s bash rbash [03:28] in /bin [03:29] ah [03:29] and it'll automaticall start bash -r [03:29] if it gets called with that name [03:29] nods [03:29] does asterisk, or anyother pkg...help manage electrical devices ...like doors..security cameras..that i have at home? [03:30] try it out [03:31] The-Croupier: there are several available. forgot which ones, but you can google "linux home security" among other things [03:31] The-Croupier, not asterisk linux because asterisk does the request by executing a script. [03:31] josefig: good question. Id say google ^-^ I have a C book that deals with stuff like that. not sure if you can set stuff via bash at all [03:31] not sure about asterisk though [03:31] alisonken1noc: thank you..i will [03:31] Quiznos: it doesnt work [03:31] it's not restricted [03:31] slackytude, which book? what's its name? [03:31] show the ls-l on rbash name [03:31] alisonken1noc: i do have a big problem with googling things...since my terminology is really bad... [03:31] asterisk is that voip solution thing [03:31] it still lets be cd [03:31] thanks alot [03:31] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2009-09-24 00:29 /bin/rbash -> bash* [03:31] josefig: C/C++ Kompendium [03:32] redtricycle did you fix the passwd entry? [03:32] Fix it? [03:32] how? [03:32] path [03:32] to rbash [03:32] The-Croupier: http://www.zoneminder.com/ <--- start here [03:32] josefig: http://www.easysw.com/~mike/serial/serial.html#2_1 [03:32] alisonken1noc: already there [03:32] restricteduser:x:1001:103:,,,:/home/restricteduser:/bin/rbash [03:32] yes [03:32] ok [03:32] ;) googled the minute you told me [03:32] hmm [03:33] that should work as is [03:33] let me try /bin/bash -r [03:33] instead [03:33] wait [03:33] can I send arguments? [03:33] as the shell? [03:33] does manpage also say rbash or bashr? [03:33] rbash [03:33] k [03:33] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:33] slackytude, are you german ? [03:33] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-193-93.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:34] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:34] josefig: yes [03:35] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [03:35] lol, i don't know Germany only English/Spanish [03:35] :P [03:35] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-145-111.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [03:36] josefig: http://ashishrd.blogspot.com/2006/11/controlling-leds-with-parallel-port.html [03:36] thats what you want [03:36] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:36] parallel port [03:36] yes :D [03:36] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-145-111.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [03:36] How do I monitor everything a binary is doing? [03:37] thank you very much :D [03:37] strace [03:37] strace -o outputname binary [03:37] strace -o outputname binary opts [03:37] josefig: http://www.epanorama.net/circuits/parallel_output.html [03:37] and so on [03:37] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:38] slackytude, yes i found good information :D [03:38] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.73.93) joined ##slackware. [03:39] alrite [03:39] I used to play with stuff like that when I was 13 or so [03:39] alisonken1noc: that looks really nice so far.. feeling noobie again..never read anything on that kind...loving it...( i will definately get fired for reading this at work) [03:39] alisonken1noc: thanks [03:42] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [03:43] fhobia (n=fhobia@67.188.69.121) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [03:43] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:46] The-Croupier: np - and you never know, information like that may come in handy at work as well :) [03:47] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:47] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [03:48] alisonken1noc: especially at my work ;) [03:48] alisonken1noc: anything else like that would be welcomed...im well up to reading new things [03:48] alisonken1noc: What information are you talking about? [03:49] adeodatus: the topic [03:49] ;) [03:49] Action: The-Croupier hides [03:49] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:49] adeodatus: I posted a link earlier to The-Croupier about linux home security [03:49] after mastering the topic sites...you need to read new stuff [03:50] I want to read the information too. [03:51] adeodatus: http://www.zoneminder.com/ for starters [03:51] nix_chixor (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:52] Well, time to get going. See ya guys. Take care. [03:52] alisonken1noc:Thanks for the link. [03:52] np [03:52] fire|bird: bb [03:53] alisonken1noc: something that got my attention...you typed "for starters" twice... ;) is there something else? [03:53] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --Winston Churchill"). [03:53] The-Croupier: there's lots available if you don't mind digging through google [03:53] dfuse (i=1000@200164252200.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [03:53] flvr (i=0@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) joined ##slackware. [03:54] some are embedded, some are like zoneminder, others are project topics for DIY's. just takes some digging [03:54] alisonken1noc: i dont mind at all, i just mind if i dont find any linux/slackware stuff ( kind of impossile really) [03:54] alisonken1noc: np, ill have to do the digging at home though..:( damn [03:54] flvr (i=0@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:54] well, slackware isn't exactly mainstream to most of those sites :) [03:54] s/sites/people/ [03:56] alisonken1noc: that takes me to the other question, i had for some time now...( sourceforge...and others have various source projects) just making them pkgs...is alright... or do i need something else..apart from libraries and dependencies??? [03:56] The-Croupier: make slackbuilds - much easier to use in the future [03:57] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-1-213.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:57] alisonken1noc: i have never managed to make a working one... that little time i have tried [03:57] it does take a little work, but slackbuilds are nothing more that automated scripts for getting the sources and repackaging as slackware packages [03:57] alisonken1noc: you see, i dont have that much time at home... i really try to follow the how-to-at sbo but if the 2nd or 3rd time doesnt work...i tend to get doing something else [03:58] there's some extra work involved if you want your slackbuild to get posted on slackbuids.org, though [03:58] alisonken1noc: ive read thousands of them...can edit them when needed...but find it very difficult for some reason making one from scratch [03:58] true - sometimes it's a matter of sticktoitiveness [03:58] do what I do - start with one that's similar, and modify as needed [03:59] alisonken1noc: yeah... that is a good idea.... do you know of one...like a template..something that is kind of empty but has most of the commands.... [03:59] it sometimes takes several different packages to actually get the hang of it [04:00] actually, it depends on what the target package is [04:00] alisonken1noc: yep, i remember...;) (goddamn it) [04:00] alisonken1noc: i tried openoffice.org :( wasnt a pretty show [04:00] OOo is _not_ an easy one to build - even though you're just repackaging a binary, it's a bear to get right [04:01] alisonken1noc: anyway, i got the point, i have to read some more scripts find something similar, edit like i should [04:01] that's a good start until you get the hang of them. [04:01] alisonken1noc: i did get it right in the end...i read the one in sbo at some point ;) [04:01] wasnt much different from what i had done [04:01] alisonken1noc: thanks for all your guidance ;) [04:02] time to install some hardware to logistics people ;) [04:02] seeya soon [04:03] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.73.93) left irc: Client Quit [04:04] np [04:05] have fun - I'm in the process of locating lost equipment in our system [04:05] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:06] alisonken1noc: what do you mean lost equipment?!!! [04:06] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-104-216.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:06] equipment that is _not_ in the rack position that our database shows [04:07] an easy example is one rack that just got populated has stale information on 2 power strips and is missing the information for the 3rd power strip in the rack [04:07] another example is a mysql server that couldn't be found, but when following a beeping machine (drive died on the raid), found that it was listed in our db as "missing" [04:08] alisonken1noc: sounds like fun ;) [04:08] :) [04:09] how about your airconditioning problem...did you get that sorted [04:09] not to mention the 4 boxes of failed drives I still need to rma back to various companies (like seagate) [04:09] The-Croupier: "The air conditioning in this building is for the benefit of the equipment. Deal with it" :) [04:10] although I gotta admit, with 3 more rows of equipment that just recently got installed just outside of my window, the office where my desk is located doesn't seem to be as cold as it used to be [04:10] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:16] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [04:16] ElsieAnd100monke (n=mike@adsl-68-89-238-19.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [04:17] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-132-234.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [04:17] Ongacska (i=5062b254@gateway/web/freenode/x-rskgcbvtudeolxnq) joined ##slackware. [04:18] fukypengiuns [04:18] ola slakkboyz [04:19] I compiled tasque, which is working. However, when I click to connect to Remember the Milk, it says: 'set the default browser and try again' [04:20] I'm using KDE 3.5.10 [04:20] I guess it means 'setting a default browser in Gnome' [04:20] So Tasque cannot use the default browser set on my environment... [04:20] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:21] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.92.170.84) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:22] ganeshix: have you consulted the documentation? [04:22] There's very little, but yes, I've been reading it. [04:23] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [04:26] pprkut (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:26] pprkut (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) joined ##slackware. [04:27] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [04:27] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:27] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [04:29] godling, I guess since it is intended for the gnome environment, there is a web browser variable that it is supposed to read. [04:29] If I just could find out where gnome keeps its default file associations, I could place that file and fix this. [04:30] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) joined ##slackware. [04:32] did Ongacska just say hi to slackboy ?! :( damn its so easy to realise who is new in the channel and who is not... [04:32] gnome uses gconf, although I believe it keeps all the settings in separate files [04:32] Action: The-Croupier needs a challenge [04:33] Action: Zordrak cuts up The-Croupier's dog with a jigsaw [04:33] there you go [04:33] put it back together again [04:34] I just watched the Google wave presentation [04:34] interesting [04:34] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:36] Action: The-Croupier just did /ignore Zordrak's bull**it ...there you go ..take it off, if you can..:p [04:36] The-Croupier: sensitive much? [04:37] hi [04:38] godling: depends... [04:39] godling: whats on your mind ;) [04:39] nothing [04:39] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:39] godling: that is a very sensitive point :p [04:39] Action: The-Croupier runs [04:41] how very clever [04:41] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [04:41] Hello! [04:43] paissad-hp (n=paissad@89.87.195.22) joined ##slackware. [04:43] pwc101 (n=pwc101@94-192-0-60.zone6.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:44] Azalyn (n=junon@modemcable003.2-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:44] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-132-234.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:45] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. 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[04:50] Ongacska (i=5062b254@gateway/web/freenode/x-rskgcbvtudeolxnq) left ##slackware. [04:51] wrodrigues (n=wrodrigu@124.124.229.181) joined ##slackware. [04:52] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:53] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:53] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [04:54] wow what a heavy troll attack [04:54] i almost lost my ... wait, nothing happened 8-P [04:54] Action: TwinReverb likes talking to people who are no longer in the channel [04:55] I would be a very useful person to have ops as im pretty much constantly here 9am-5pm weekdays (GMT) where others arent [04:56] but i think i need to be here a decade or so longer first :) [04:56] Or put staff on the access list ;) [04:56] Zordrak: i dont think we need more ops. [04:56] or staff on the access list [04:56] screw putting staff on the access list [04:56] staff can just kill them [04:56] hrad (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-awsavqkibaxcydst) joined ##slackware. [04:56] they've said that a million times since even i had ops and it's the same hollow argument [04:57] they don't need to be on the access list to get 'er done [04:57] wertik_rus (n=werti@69.172.130.217) joined ##slackware. [04:57] spook: not really [04:57] Action: Zordrak opened a can here... steps back [04:57] TwinReverb: hehe no worries, don't have to - if ops can deal with stuff just fine then it's no problem at all. Everyone can run their channel as they see fit [04:58] Levia: if its a racism issue, thats grounds for a kline/kill under AUP on most irc networks. [04:58] ops isn't up to me. granted W|GGL|T has been gone so long, and afaik he is the only one with channel rights to add people [04:58] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) left irc: Nick collision from services. [04:58] Nick change: azarion -> anahel [04:58] TwinReverb: he did pop his head in about a month ago [04:58] TwinReverb: most of the stuff is done through slackboy. [04:58] but thats aboot it [04:59] Zordrak: a touch of the brouge tonight? [04:59] Action: TwinReverb nods to spook [04:59] Zordrak, did someone chop it off? 8-) [04:59] Action: TwinReverb looks around for a severed head [04:59] alisonken1noc: buh? [05:00] "but that's aboot it" is more of a scottish accent than normal :) [05:00] more canadian than scottish :) [05:01] hey, if there is only source and a scritpt asi it is here http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/development/shed/ ...it means it's only for 32bit [05:01] hrad: no [05:02] the whole point of builds from source is you can build for whatever you like [05:02] hrad: slackbuilds for 13.0 have been updated to allow 32-bit or 64-bit compiles [05:02] hrad: take note of the lines rogarhing x86_64 and LIBDIRSUFFIX [05:02] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [05:02] hrad: 32bit only scripts would look like this: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/games/zsnes/ [05:04] some things are 32bit only and are clearly marked as such [05:05] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016729.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [05:05] why would something have to be marked clearly 32bit? due to pre-built binaries? [05:07] due to the presences of large amounts of assembler, or you know, just horrible. [05:07] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:07] there are still some things that don't work on 64bit, even open-source projects [05:07] I would think "i386" and "amd64" tagging of packages would be enough to signify what's 32 bit and what's not... [05:07] amd64 is not the architecture tag for 64bit [05:07] we are speaking of SlackBuilds here, not packages [05:07] great, thank you [05:12] spook: it's what everyone has standardised upon, even AMD themselves now [05:12] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:12] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [05:12] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) got netsplit. [05:12] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) got netsplit. 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[05:23] Nick change: SIGSEGV -> SIGBUS [05:23] and is there anything in the 13.0 release, an editor, I could remove the byte sequence in files which is used to tell if it is little endian or the othe guy [05:24] .. do you understand your own question? [05:24] yep [05:24] dangit i shoulda got out my surf board [05:24] *I could remove with [05:24] there is shed [05:25] and hexeditor which is not on slackbuilds for 13 [05:26] isn't there khexedit [05:26] ? [05:26] not for 13.0 [05:26] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [05:27] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [05:28] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [05:28] wertik_rus (n=werti@69.172.130.217) joined ##slackware. [05:28] pwc101 (n=pwc101@94-192-0-60.zone6.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:28] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-104-216.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:28] crn__ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) joined ##slackware. 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[05:28] Action: TwinReverb gets out his surfboard [05:29] woohoo! rid 'em splitnode! [05:29] Hi. I am sshing in my machine. I managed to delete my /bin folder. with -rf. I do have a backup on another partition but i cant use the cp command. any ideas? [05:29] Keiffer: remotely.. no [05:29] Keiffer, uh, you could boot the machine using your install cd [05:29] locally.. yes [05:29] oh this is REMOTE? [05:29] i tried to edit with vim the passwd file to replace /bin/bash with /media/partition/bin/bash but no luck [05:30] is the ssh command still going? [05:30] i.e. are you still in? [05:30] Yes, ssh works. xchat too [05:30] you can scp it over if you need to [05:30] That was my question. If i can repair it remotely. [05:30] TwinReverb: same machine [05:30] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) left irc: "leaving" [05:30] Keiffer: why wont cp execute [05:31] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.34) left irc: "Leaving" [05:31] its /usr/bin not /bin [05:31] /usr/bin/cp [05:31] whatn the error [05:31] No, scp does not works. New ssh sessions dont work either [05:31] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2009-09-03 06:56 /usr/bin/cp -> ../../bin/cp [05:31] ah that's why [05:31] The program 'cp' is currently not installeThe d. You can install it by typing: [05:31] Keiffer: use the cp from the backup [05:31] Zodrak, how? [05:31] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) joined ##slackware. [05:32] Keiffer: /path/to/backup/cp [05:32] /media/partition/bin/cp -av /media/partition/bin/* /bin/. [05:33] alisonken1noc: man, you put me in so much trouble..i cannot not read it...its so interesting...:( [05:33] :) [05:33] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [05:33] bash: /media/sda3/backup/bin/cp: Permission denied [05:33] and I am root [05:34] but was sda3 mounted as rw,exec ? [05:34] ls -la !$ [05:34] err [05:34] alisonken1home, I think it has noexec flag [05:34] ls -la /media/sda3/backup/bin/cp [05:34] then you won't be able to execute any program that's on it [05:34] uh [05:34] k [05:34] then rsync [05:34] haha [05:35] i am locked out! :D [05:35] rsync IS in /usr/bin [05:35] rsync -av /foo/bin/ /bin [05:35] rsync is faster than cp isnt it? ;) [05:36] well, i never used rsync until now [05:36] it can be [05:36] it doesn't magically copy data faster [05:37] Keiffer: rsync -av /media/sda3/backup/bin/ /bin [05:37] Zodrak, thank you sir! now it works [05:37] then once its fixed go away and learn rsync... you shouldnt be allow.d back near your computer till you know about rsync [05:37] thanks all, too [05:37] Keiffer: also.. tab-completion will save you from misspelling my name [05:38] yes [05:38] sorry [05:38] what now, i should restore bin? [05:38] Action: Zordrak is a little weary of Zodrak, Zordark and Zodrak [05:38] Zordrak: another one to thank you ;) [05:38] yfou just did [05:39] oh [05:39] yes [05:39] The-Croupier: indeed [05:39] but this is a yesterday backup [05:39] and since then i installed some apps [05:39] it wont have changed [05:40] oh, nice. thank you again [05:40] what about passwd file? editing the path to bin/bash did not helped [05:40] huh? [05:41] Action: Zordrak did not know sh is symlinked te bash [05:42] been that way for ages [05:42] weh theres only two shells for me anyway [05:42] bash and psh [05:42] anything else can go to hell [05:43] Keiffer: btw [05:43] yes [05:43] csh [05:43] Keiffer: check that mount, ping, ping6, fusermount, su and umount are all +s [05:43] alisonken1noc: ew ew ew ew ew [05:43] :) [05:44] actually not one of my normals, I typically prefer bash [05:44] thanks. wilco [05:44] might as well be fortransh [05:51] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@96.250.220.91) left irc: [05:51] im so tired i could just fall over and die [05:54] Zordrak: come one man, get over with it, do a job right for once in your life ;) :p [05:54] Action: The-Croupier hides [05:54] no.. i just cant understand that sentence [05:55] let me make it simple for you ...... [05:55] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@193.239.140.184) left irc: [05:55] Zordrak: fall over and die ! go now...! [05:55] orite [05:55] nolps [05:55] nopls [05:55] Action: The-Croupier is looking for an undertaker [05:56] appzer0 (i=1000@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:03] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:07] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.73.93) joined ##slackware. [06:09] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [06:15] have two cisco switches with a vpn connected... switch1 has backuphdd, how can switch2 be able to see backuphdd ;) [06:17] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.73.93) left irc: Connection timed out [06:18] papajack (n=papajack@unaffiliated/papajack) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:20] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432153.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:22] Action: Zordrak wishes TNT would pull their frigging finger out [06:23] its like 5 miles to the depot.. we're in the centre of the city.. yet it still takes about 6 hours for the van to get to us once it leaves the depot [06:24] sometimes 8!! [06:26] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016729.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [06:27] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-dooenaddqpwqzhln) left ##slackware. [06:28] jhw (n=jhw@p548F4252.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:30] jhw (n=jhw@p548F4252.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:33] theres TNT in the UK too? [06:34] ive only had issues with their dutch dept. so far [06:34] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.59.14) joined ##slackware. [06:37] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [06:40] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:42] matt0 (n=matt0@110-175-127-147.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:43] How do I restart iptables? [06:44] did you save your rules using iptables-save ? if so, use iptables-restore [06:45] personally, I create a script /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall-rules [06:46] 'iptables-restore' just hangs [06:46] matt0: iptables-restore requires a previously saved iptables-save'ed file to restor from [06:46] so it's waiting for you to give it a filename to restore from [06:47] oh, lol [06:48] iptables is not a daemon [06:48] its kernel-space [06:48] theres no restart.. just delet/restore [06:48] I'm frustrated so I'm not thinking properly [06:54] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [06:55] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:55] I give up >:| [06:55] matt0 (n=matt0@110-175-127-147.tpgi.com.au) left irc: "wut" [06:55] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: SendQ exceeded [06:56] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [06:58] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Success [06:59] i hate throwing out motherboards.. theyre too strong to break up [06:59] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [07:03] you need an industrial strength shredder. like the ones used for cars [07:03] slaxroot (n=thiago-n@187.6.79.56) joined ##slackware. [07:03] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) left irc: "Leaving" [07:03] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.59.14) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [07:03] i nood industrial strength something [07:04] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.73.93) joined ##slackware. [07:05] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.73.93) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:07] nood huh? [07:07] :) [07:08] dvorak fail apparently [07:12] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.59.14) joined ##slackware. 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[08:36] I'd like to know the name of that girl: http://winwp.net/files/wallpapers/original/12356859505677.jpg and http://winwp.net/files/wallpapers/original/12356859505677.jpg [08:36] bah [08:36] http://www.winwp.net/files/wallpapers/original/12375413498258.jpg [08:36] no clue but shes hot ^^ [08:36] rignes (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) joined ##slackware. [08:37] BackLash|TheFly: ^^^ [08:37] bah, ^^ [08:37] actually I have her name: 9?2G0@ B%> 9A > [08:37] lagann_ (n=hex@c-24-61-201-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:37] now, I can't exactly read that :p [08:38] yeah all i see is a buncha blurry blobs [08:38] :D [08:38] wait... http://winwp.net/in/?base_tag=Hilary_Duff [08:39] so she could be hilary duff :o [08:39] Action: Camarade_Tux stabs himself [08:39] ohFFS!! sfdisk doesnt support GPT either!!! [08:39] AARRGGHH [08:39] firedix (n=firedix@host83.200-117-148.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [08:40] agentc0re1 (n=agentc0r@209-181-84-87.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [08:40] jhw (n=jhw@p548F4252.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:40] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@97-117-92-99.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:41] she is hilary duff ='( [08:41] lol i would stab myself if she would touch me [08:41] :D [08:42] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:43] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:43] Zordrak, iirc gpt is supported only by parted. [08:44] it seems she's not the stupid teenage anymore ( http://makeushot.com/wp-content/uploads/hilary-duff-maxim-2007-1.jpg ) [08:44] gnubien (n=e@16.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:45] slava_dp: and i dont think parted can do a raw dump/restore [08:45] Zordrak, probably not, but i've never really used it. [08:45] i dont get wtf is going on.. gpt is in kernel.. well known.. the only way to have a 3TB partition.. why do NONE of the tools support it? [08:46] what is gpt? [08:46] appzer0 (i=1000@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:46] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table [08:46] t0 (n=t0@brln-4dbab966.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [08:49] hrad_ (i=4e88977e@gateway/web/freenode/x-ahbtrkoorugnhrhf) joined ##slackware. [08:49] guys how can I add an icon to the panel in KDE4 ? only option I can see is add a widget or panel [08:49] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [08:50] hrad_: you cant [08:50] or move it from some other applications [08:50] Zordrak: you might try using a mac partition manager [08:50] you have to adda widget tha displays icons [08:50] such as quicklaunch [08:50] Camarade_Tux: you might try blowing a goat [08:50] Action: BackLash|TheFly downloads alien [08:50] :D [08:50] Action: Zordrak regains composure [08:50] all your packages are belong to me [08:50] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-ymyakpedhluiadti) joined ##slackware. [08:51] Zordrak: actually I already tried, was quite fun [08:51] ny [08:51] xD [08:51] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [08:51] Camarade_Tux: sorry, i just joined, what was fun? ;) [08:52] Action: TwinReverb blows goats ... using dynamite [08:52] The-Croupier: Zordrak told me to try blowing a goat :D [08:52] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [08:52] you painted dynamite green for it to it ;) [08:53] Camarade_Tux: thank god, he told you to blow it and not do something else more naughty :p [08:53] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:54] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.72.143) joined ##slackware. [08:54] vukovar (n=vukovar@CPE-121-214-57-207.lnse4.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:55] hi mohaa [08:57] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [08:59] how would i create a small ramdisk? [09:00] google tmpfs [09:00] hrad_ (i=4e88977e@gateway/web/freenode/x-ahbtrkoorugnhrhf) left irc: "Page closed" [09:01] 'man mount' too I think [09:03] mount -t tmpfs -o size=1M tmpfs /mnt/myramdisk will make a 1m one subject to my misremembering syntax [09:04] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.33.98) joined ##slackware. [09:04] Nick change: Kamus_Away[xi] -> Kamus_H_Zwisch [09:04] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.77.142) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:04] mancha: yup :) [09:04] rubick_ (n=rc@unaffiliated/rubick) joined ##slackware. [09:05] run that: cat /usr/include/dbus/dbus-1.0/dbus-glib-error.h [09:05] as long as /mnt/myramdisk directory exitss [09:05] exists* [09:05] rubick (n=rc@unaffiliated/rubick) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:05] (I'm not sure of the exact name actually) [09:05] it will only make you headdesk :) [09:08] slava_dp: /dev/shm is a ramdisk :) [09:09] what's the use for /dev/shm? [09:10] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [09:10] slava_dp: ...a ramdisk? [09:10] http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/what-is-devshm-and-its-practical-usage.html [09:10] shm = "shared memory" a ramdisk for practical usage [09:11] sahko: sucks - the header image covers the right half of the first paragraph [09:11] one of those popups that lingers [09:11] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [09:12] change your crappy browser, it doesnt happen here [09:12] vukovar (n=vukovar@CPE-121-214-57-207.lnse4.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: [09:12] there's any rss feed for the slackware changelog? [09:12] change the header :) [09:12] guax: http://dev.slackware.it/rss/ [09:13] slava_dp, it satisfies POSIX [09:13] sahko, thanks [09:13] i love slackware [09:13] :) [09:13] guax: sorry those dont work anymore . see http://slackware.it/rss/ [09:13] =D [09:13] i just wish we had a better package repository [09:13] -.- [09:14] BackLash|TheFly: join the club [09:14] sbopkg and slacky.it do the whole work for me [09:14] even slackware folks packages on their personal sites do the job =) [09:14] the loving slackware club, not the whinging that slackware isnt ubuntu/debian club [09:14] why slacky.it? its just an index [09:14] slackpkg ++ sbopkg [09:14] Zordrak: ++ [09:15] guax++ [09:15] ? lol the only way i know to install stuff on slack is pkgtool and from source [09:15] slacky.it is almost like linuxpackages.net lots of precompiled packages with no "slacky.it" build (if you will). [09:15] Back, then you're fine, those are good ways [09:16] everyones all stuck on these newfangled package managers now.. damn kids and their nintendo [09:16] sahko, works great thank you [09:16] BackLash|TheFly: slackpkg uses pkgtool [09:16] BackLash|TheFly: sbopkg is from source [09:16] slackytu1e (n=icke@p4FD89C78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:16] have they changed policy? slacky.it always had the build stuff before [09:16] blackbuilds is the site i know to go to [09:16] s [09:16] not b [09:16] lol [09:16] agentc0re1: yes its horrible [09:17] blackbuilds sounds like a bad porn [09:17] Nick change: agentc0re1 -> agentc0re [09:17] BackLash|TheFly: and sbopkg just automates the visit/search/download/run/install [09:17] bcmiller3 (n=bcmiller@65.220.74.90) joined ##slackware. [09:17] sbopkg is simple [09:17] what package on slacky.it is pre-built ony? [09:17] as it should be [09:17] only* [09:17] Action: BackLash|TheFly lols at firefox taking 5% less cpu to run pandora than gentoo [09:18] on [09:18] than on [09:18] damn i must be tired [09:18] firedix (n=firedix@host83.200-117-148.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [09:18] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.231.5) joined ##slackware. [09:19] im gonna compile cbopkg from source cuz im cool like that [09:19] ;) [09:19] BackLash|TheFly: kinda pointless, but your choice. [09:19] bcmiller3 (n=bcmiller@65.220.74.90) left irc: Client Quit [09:19] wow.. i didn't know people had this kind of energy in the morning. [09:20] its 21:20 [09:20] and i'm staying just sober enough to mark quiz night answers [09:20] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [09:20] that is to say, i can walk if i really concentrate [09:23] you musth be drunk if you think it's half 9.. its half 2 you silly! [09:23] ;) [09:23] BackLash|TheFly: uhhh [09:23] its 06:23 here [09:23] sbopkg is a bash script [09:23] i noticed that [09:23] there IS no compile [09:23] sadly [09:24] i was all amped to compile something [09:24] and was denied [09:24] Thu Sep 24 21:24:15 WST 2009 [09:24] Zordrak: eat that. [09:24] Welsh Standard Time, eh? [09:24] i can > date too [09:24] :D [09:24] Back so your task just gre more complex: 1) convert bash script to C code 2) compile [09:26] mancha: no no... you have to modify your C code to make it more complex and then recode and recompile GCC for your changes [09:26] Zordrak: western australian standard time [09:27] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89CC8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:27] i cant frigging wait for the clocks to go back [09:29] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [09:29] still a month to go [09:29] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: Client Quit [09:36] Qui Set 24 10:38:21 BRT 2009 [09:37] Action: guax hopes this wont start that anoying time cube talk again [09:37] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [09:38] rd5 (n=rd5@189.111.164.142) left irc: "Saindo" [09:39] doas anyone know what the minimum req to start sshd is? [09:39] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:39] wow this is annoying.... i cant run this bin ... says no such file or directory [09:39] (ie pkgs to install into the slack install environment to start sshd [09:39] BackLash|TheFly: wrong arch probably [09:39] The-spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) joined ##slackware. [09:40] its 32 i know [09:40] and this is 64 [09:40] but so were the last 4 distros i did it on [09:40] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@d24-57-84-192.home.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:40] Action: BackLash|TheFly has been busy [09:40] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [09:40] BackLash|TheFly: you don't have 32bit compat libs installed then. [09:41] paissad-hp (n=paissad@89.87.195.22) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:41] yup] [09:41] thats what im looking into right now [09:42] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-137-1.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:42] while im syncing anyone know if sbo has em [09:42] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:43] Zord, you can probably get away with openssl and zlib [09:44] got it going with n/openssh / n/openssl / a/openssl-solibs [09:44] ldd `which sshd` will tell [09:44] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [09:44] Zordrak, building a minimal system? i thought you never bother :) [09:44] slava_dp: no.. doing an on-line dd using the boot disk [09:44] he'll probably do an initrd with it as well. :P [09:45] :D [09:45] Action: agentc0re hides [09:45] `time ssh root@foo 'dd if=/dev/sda' | dd of=/dev/sda` [09:46] sda to sda? wtf [09:46] slava_dp: read it again [09:46] i don't get what you're doing. [09:46] notice where the 's are [09:47] think of it like this: [09:47] ouch [09:47] `time $(ssh root@foo 'dd if=/dev/sda') | dd of=/dev/sda` [09:47] you're dd'ing over ssh it seems [09:47] hrad (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-awsavqkibaxcydst) left irc: "Page closed" [09:47] indeed [09:47] now that's cool. [09:48] using GBit crossover [09:48] mkeil (i=marcel@juniper.main.us-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:48] hnece needing the min ssh install cos both are PXE booted ints the slack13 boot env [09:49] you can install packages while booted from the install media (or pxe)? [09:49] whats this [09:49] of course [09:49] hmm as always a long arduous process [09:49] ROOT= comes in handy for that [09:50] installpkg is nothing but a glorified untar [09:50] pxe and the install media both use the same initrd that pxe-and-usb-installers/usbboot.img use [09:50] Zordrak: it does a few other things... [09:50] alisonken1noc: nono.. installing into the slack boot env.. not an installed joobry [09:50] spook: hence "glorified" [09:50] so i applied for a it job at the VA... good god they used a lot of acronyms... complex IT organization.¿ Responsible for enterprise-level configuration and change management activities within the OI&T Office of Enterprise Development (OED) [09:50] Zordrak: but that implies it doesnt do anything else. [09:51] upgradepkg is a little more complicated :) [09:51] project management principles and industry standards including PMBOK, Project Management principles and Lifecycle Management (SDLC) ??? [09:52] i seem to recall you can also boot the install media with an assigned ip address and an sshd? [09:52] Project Management Body of Knowledge (PMBOK), Seriously?? They had to acronym that? [09:52] i just boot then ifconfig & installpkg ssh [09:52] Software Engineer Body of Knowledge (SWEBOK), more like PEBKAC! [09:52] but you could add it to the boot env RCs so you could do a remote install [09:52] -.- i hate how new users dont automatically have full access to their home folders upon creation [09:52] and if the booted thing is a headless server, can you start ssh via pxe boot settings? [09:52] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:53] BackLash|TheFly: since i add users by editing the passwd file and adding their homedirs..... they do [09:53] slava_dp: yeah it finds the interface using dbus now [09:53] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [09:54] wrodrigues (n=wrodrigu@124.124.229.181) left irc: "leaving" [09:55] erm [09:55] udev not dbus [09:55] was wondering.. [09:58] converting word to latex is hard :( [09:58] :P its just as easy to chmod their home foler [09:58] ivo told you not to many times [09:58] latex blows [09:58] !n Warren Miller [09:58] err [09:58] Action: BackLash|TheFly notes that thats cuz hes the only user [09:59] Zordrak: got another option? [10:00] depends on what the document is for [10:00] it was your CV last time..(!) [10:00] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:00] huh? my CV? hardly, you have me confused [10:00] its a 500+ pages of documentation [10:00] 60mb word file [10:01] load in OOo first? [10:01] the simple Q is.... why DuReX? [10:01] docbook? [10:01] alisonken1noc: that makes it worse as far as I can tell [10:01] Zordrak: Durex? [10:01] Dvorak fail? [10:01] why the need to convert away from Word(tm) anywyas? [10:01] taking the piss out of LaTeX [10:02] mancha: because LaTex _always_ formats the same regardless of which version is used? [10:02] and doens't die at odd times? [10:02] and is availabe on non-MS platforms? [10:02] mancha: coz word is crap? I had to battle with it all the week. It's horrible to layout the images right, especially since it also gets converted to html. Its too big, no good revision control, only one can work at it and so on [10:02] toofer (n=toofer@kjordan.securesites.net) left ##slackware. [10:03] pdf... [10:03] Caligraphy scrolls? [10:03] there is a pdf version as well [10:03] ll [10:03] docbook might be an option [10:03] latex is not known for its image embedding, #1, version control is not solved by switching to latex, #2 [10:04] mancha: well, I could use CVS or SVN then. but yeah, images in latex isnt nice as well [10:04] slaxroot (n=thiago-n@187.6.79.56) left irc: [10:04] i agree with word is crap tough [10:04] altho that was the easy part for now [10:04] *though [10:04] i just dont see haw latex is any less crap [10:05] well, Im listening if you have a better idea [10:05] personaly, latex is less painful than word [10:05] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-nkvplxdgbsjzgbdt) joined ##slackware. [10:05] ODF [10:05] i just discovered that /dev/shm is a directory. o_O [10:05] lol [10:06] slackytu1e: i agree [10:06] so did everyone else who googled right after i said "google tmpfs" [10:06] and has 1777 perms, same as /tmp has. [10:06] >.< [10:06] slava_dp, what you put there will be alocated into your memory =D [10:06] how on earth do people work together on the same document in word? [10:06] there are systems designed for online collaboration of word files [10:07] v3gard, after you get the way it works you get very productive with it [10:08] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:08] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:09] i wish there were a reasonable method of predicting how long dd will take [10:09] hmm [10:09] which is the bottleneck one of your drives or the network conn? [10:09] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-ymyakpedhluiadti) left irc: "Page closed" [10:09] guax: but once you learn LaTeX, you get even more productive [10:09] mancha: ssh probably [10:10] init[1]|S (i=buffer@free.psybnc.and.eggdrop.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [10:10] mancha: you've done some work with docbook? [10:10] svn+ssh+latex = <3 [10:10] so figure the disk size * (1+enc_overhead) / conn_speed [10:10] v3gard, the objective is to co-work the content, the format latex can do as well [10:11] v3gard: aye. hard part is getting all the stuff into it first, afterwards its pretty easy [10:11] mancha: and where in my arse do i get those figures from? [10:11] slacky many moons ago [10:11] well you should know your connection speed, and i have no idea what % overhead ssh adds compressionless [10:11] mancha: any comments or advice before I try to convert a 60mb word document? it can do pdf and html, I assume? [10:12] yes it can do both [10:12] mancha: it just dont work [10:12] these days a lot of people use templates, check if ooo has those [10:12] not without a lot of scientific benchmarking [10:12] and in the time that takes you mighdt as well/ just do it and see [10:12] mancha: templates? [10:12] I guess I just have to dive into it [10:12] would just be nice if dd hade an option for verbosne output [10:13] even just a blocknumbxer [10:13] *number [10:13] check it out, the docbook wiki used to be well written [10:13] Zordrak: I thought it had.. [10:13] slackytu1e: after it's done.. not during [10:13] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [10:13] OHWAIT [10:13] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432153.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:14] sending a USR1 signal to a running dd procesns makes it print IO stats to STDERR then resume [10:14] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [10:14] sounds dangeour [10:15] gah, hate this mini-kb [10:15] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:15] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:15] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-104-216.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:16] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-104-216.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:16] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) joined ##slackware. [10:16] damnnit [10:16] doesnt work [10:16] init[1] (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:16] not on ssh [10:16] Zordrak: expect it to be slow. Maybe 8GB in 2 hours over 100MB. [10:16] its gbit [10:16] you should have redirected dd's stderr to a file before starting :) [10:16] writing to velociRaptor [10:16] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) left irc: "Leaving" [10:17] Morning all [10:17] slava_dp: no the outpet works [10:17] but its 0+0 it, 0+0 out [10:17] aww [10:17] screw it .. im gonna try acronis on it [10:17] hopefully acronis will have the 3w-9xxxx driver [10:18] r_linux_ (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:18] pwc101 (n=pwc101@94-192-0-60.zone6.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:18] is that true image? does it have network suppot? [10:18] yep&yep [10:18] i guess it must, ghost does and if they jhopeto compete... [10:18] pwc101 (n=pwc101@94-192-0-60.zone6.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:18] acronis is the bost imager ive ever used [10:19] its just missing partition clone functionality [10:19] only does disk clone [10:19] other than that it reads/writes images [10:19] does it handle non-windows fs's for compressiosn? [10:19] wheres me 2.6 kernel acronis version :/ [10:19] mancha: think so [10:20] mancha: i dont change compression options [10:20] mancha: time is always my main iisue [10:20] ah ok, it used to only be able to do their "raw sector" thing for ext3 or something [10:20] right [10:20] that might be so [10:20] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [10:20] but its still better than dd over ssh :) [10:21] i was gonna ask if dd would work on journaled drives [10:21] heh, i was rather enjoying your dd-over-ssh experiment and was going to try it sometime [10:21] Skywise: dd is a bit for bit dupe [10:21] yeah, but can't it change while you're copying [10:21] but the bits are changing, i think is his point [10:21] mancha: yeah... i thought it was a good idea to start with... but i cant even be sure its doing anything [10:22] mancha: dont dd a mountde drive.... [10:22] k [10:22] you can sniff ssh and see if there's a lo of traffic [10:22] you could use iptables [10:23] just make a rule to accept on port 22 and it will count the packets [10:23] nah screw it... acronis gives me a progress bar :) [10:23] why not use rsync [10:24] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-72-22.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:24] it can use ssh as well [10:24] Skywise: cos id still be using ssh and i wouldnt be certain about the dupe and it wouldnt cover the partiton table etc etc [10:24] ttyX (n=ttyX@59.178.192.219) joined ##slackware. [10:25] it must be bit for bit perfect no matter what [10:25] can anyone help me please [10:25] well i'm going to try dd over ssh (just set a few number of blocks to see if it works" [10:25] ienh (n=ienh@rennes.elikya.com) left irc: "leaving" [10:25] do you have physical access to both machines? [10:25] mancha: ought to... for a small dataset [10:25] Skywise: yes [10:25] maybe you can put the new drive in the old machine [10:25] or in an usb enclosure [10:25] Im not pissing around with the raid config to do that [10:26] i see [10:26] these are on a 3ware-9650SE-12ML [10:26] I've installed grub4dos on my flashdrive and now would like it to boot the slackware installer [10:26] hw raid [10:26] can anyone help em reagrding this [10:26] me* [10:26] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:26] what raid level? [10:26] rhys (n=rhysrhav@66.102.98.194.ip.anet.com) joined ##slackware. [10:27] we use a lot of raid10 [10:27] Skywise: O M G [10:27] i wonder if you could take half a raid 1 and reconstruct in the other machine [10:27] Skywise: Why in HELL did i not think of that ARGH [10:27] trying to finish migrating raid6 to raid10 [10:29] to me it seems the more complicated raid schemes just have more complex ways to fail [10:29] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Fui embora" [10:29] you just can't get away from backups in the end [10:29] Skywise: yes very easily lol. [10:30] alisonken1noc: oh so you've [10:30] oh wait wrong person [10:30] :)( [10:30] :) [10:30] hard to follow the conversation after two jugs and half a hip flask of beer [10:30] i wonder why [10:31] alisonken1noc: but yeah, in a proper raid 10, you can take a specific subset of half the disk, and reconstruct it elsewhere. [10:31] or run in degraded mode. [10:31] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-4.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:31] spook: that costs... [10:31] woo.. rebuilding raid1 [10:32] Skywise: we have raid+ backups [10:32] pupit: costs what? [10:32] raid 10 spook [10:32] pupit: you'd get raid0 read preformance. [10:32] 3TB RAID61 - backup up onte LTO3 tape [10:32] pupit: i run raid10 with 4 disks. [10:32] we run raid10 with 8 disks [10:32] RAID61 with 12 [10:32] i run raid 1 with 2 machines rsynced [10:33] spook: for me it is still better to keep stuff on dvd-s or external hard drive of 320gb [10:33] ttyX (n=ttyX@59.178.192.219) left ##slackware. [10:33] at home i do that cause im short on cash.. 1 machine backs up the other by manual rsyncs [10:33] i'd like a nice 250gb piece of back up media [10:33] on a raid 6 3-ware machine, replaced a 750G drive last week. Yesterday it was _this close_ to finishing. Another noc guy replaced the drive yesterday again. Right now it's at 10% rebuild status [10:34] pupit: LOASDOASDASDJASDJ DVD BACKUPS LOLOLOL [10:34] alisonken1home, thats the infamous raid cascade failure [10:34] :) [10:34] all your drives start to fail during reconstruction [10:34] morning ladygeeks n gentlemen [10:34] spook: yeah yeah, get it out of your system.. :) [10:35] pupit: i cant, too drunk [10:35] alisonken1noc: which is why 61 rules... cos that machine just wouldnt matter what it was doing cauise the 1st machine is 100% [10:35] and taking 100% load [10:35] i had a raid-5 array with ext3 that borked hard [10:35] and also why every disk in each machine is from a different batch [10:35] both were reconstructing simulataneously, and just wrung out the last of the life of the array [10:35] its a mix of seagate and WD.. all from different distributors [10:35] well they should be from different vendors [10:36] but i don't know if thats really any safer [10:36] it is better to have some good UPS, then the RAID go too.. [10:36] it protects against manufacturing fail [10:36] pupit: heh.. these two are UPS cross linked [10:36] either one of two UPSes can die and BOTH machines stay up [10:36] Zordrak: you know what am i talking about... ;) [10:36] well, some places have replacements scheduled before mtbf [10:37] but i usually don't replace anything before it fails [10:37] real sysadmins just take out the bad drives, wait 10 seconds, and put them back in :) [10:37] i also need to find a good way to dispose of old disks [10:37] we usually wait till failure as well [10:37] i got a pile of bad drives [10:37] 30 ton sheet metal cutter? [10:37] i'm pretty sure i don't have one [10:38] Skywise: thats the type of thing that you do if you are already spending cash on SCSI.. these are SATA to save money.. but the redundancy in the setup is insane [10:38] Skywise: our surplus people have a drill press for that. they usually drill 5-10 holes per drive [10:38] Why do people do that? [10:38] we have a drill press as well - but it would be nice to have a cutter [10:38] why waste time mashing the case? [10:38] makes it undreadable [10:38] take the platters out and throw them in the fire safe [10:38] they take up *no* room [10:38] Zordrak: 'mashing'? this isn't mashing [10:38] Zordrak: magnets! :D [10:39] take them out and toss them in the smelter [10:39] taking out plates is wasting time [10:39] point is.. people always talk about HDD destruction including the case [10:39] why waste all that energy destroying a pointless case [10:39] Zordrak: because it's easier and faster than your proposed solution [10:39] easier to drill through the case rather than waste the time to take them apart (expense issue) [10:39] i have a stack of platters on my machine from old disks.. the cases all went in the bin [10:40] alisonken1noc: balls [10:40] Zordrak: and you spent a lot of time and effort on doing it [10:40] alisonken1noc: you have to have a drill [10:40] pay ~to power it [10:40] buy drill bits [10:40] all i need is 2 minutes with a screwdrivelr [10:40] 30 seconds of drilling through a drive costs less than having to pay YOU for 5 minutes of work [10:40] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@adsl-249-201-30.bna.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [10:40] Zordrak: bits and power are cheaper than paying an admin to take the platters out [10:41] unless you are really that underpaid [10:41] what about the drill [10:41] and the health and safety risk assessment? [10:41] how all you need is a shredder for the platters [10:41] drill is there. used for other things. [10:41] drills are sunk cost - just like the screwdriver [10:41] and you already had a screwdriver to hand cause you were taking it out a case [10:41] wrong screwdriver [10:41] wrong bit too [10:41] same driver.. different bit [10:41] you'd still need another screwdriver or 5 [10:41] lol [10:42] last time i checked, no drive was using #2 phillips screws [10:42] and a good sysadmin already has a multibit-driver [10:42] no theyre star-tips [10:42] Zordrak: not to mention that we're talking about multiple drives, not an occassional one. [10:42] and no multiple-vendor drives use the same size bits [10:42] torx [10:42] of different sizes [10:42] they all use torx [10:42] (now) [10:43] I've got 4 boxes of drives from various mfgr's - I don't have time to deal with removing platters when a drill press is quicker [10:43] and how many are we talking about? [10:43] im talking about 2 HDDs a month [10:43] at least 50 [10:43] talk slower i'm drunk [10:43] Zordrak: more than a dozen in a single sitting [10:43] lol spook [10:43] just under my desk - not including the boxes in the other room [10:43] if you have more than that die.. you need to re-evaluate [10:43] Nick change: curtisk -> Braintix [10:43] is the data _that_ confidential? [10:43] evo- (n=evo@91-67-161-20-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [10:43] these have been collected over time since nobody else seems interested in it [10:43] Zordrak: have you considered that others have large operations? [10:44] mancha: may have personal information as defined by the government. rather not take chances. [10:44] mancha is your privacy confidential? :) [10:44] its not wether or not its confidential [10:44] Action: ananke has a box of 60 or so drives sitting in a corner, waiting to be surplused. collected for some time [10:44] you don't know what it can be used for, so its best to prevent its use at all [10:44] yes.. but if you have THAT large an operation, you outsource waste disposal anyway... like to Secure IT Disposal Ltd (iirc) wholl/ take anything away and give you a secure disposal certificate [10:44] um, are you worried about govt agencies analyzing theplatters in a clean room with electron microscopes? [10:45] maybe [10:45] mancha: its called due dilligence [10:45] you wouldn't think such a thing could happen, but look at england [10:45] Zordrak: unless they make the drives unusable in my presence, I'd rather use the drill [10:45] Zordrak: in my case i was talking about our surplus. so yes, it's a large operation. [10:45] they're doing all sorts of big brother things now [10:45] ananke: then give them to whoever disposes of your monitors et al [10:46] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [10:46] Zordrak: and yes - we _do_ have a large quantity of drives. we typically order several hundred at a time [10:46] the point is you have to take precaution in advance, cause you can't do it after exposure [10:46] i wonder, how big sister looks.... [10:46] Zordrak: disposal is different from surplus. and i'm giving them to my surplus people. [10:46] j0k3r_ (n=rddalcen@unaffiliated/j0k3r) joined ##slackware. [10:47] Zordrak: bottom line is, there are valid reasons for drilling holes through drives rather than manually disecting them. [10:47] what may work for your operation doesn't mean it works for others, be it possible/feasible/efficient [10:47] like - stacking 2 drives on top of each other, then running a drill bit through them [10:47] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.22.118) joined ##slackware. [10:48] ananke: how many holes? [10:48] in 1 drive? [10:48] i'll prolly go thru the trouble of removing the platters and destroying them, but i'll prolly play with them first [10:48] pupit: it's few holes per drive. i think it's at least 5, but less than 10. [10:48] ok [10:48] wertik_rus (n=werti@69.172.130.217) left irc: Client Quit [10:48] Nick change: Kamus_H_Zwisch -> Kamus_Away[xi] [10:49] Skywise: have a porn problem or looking at weapons websites? [10:49] haha [10:49] Skywise: hd platters make insanely good mirrors [10:49] i wonder what would happen if you blew some kind of abrasive in the case and spin the drives up [10:49] maybe i missed a lot of this, only briefly read up [10:49] Zordrak, mirrors make good mirrors too. :) [10:49] hahhahah [10:49] Hard drives also make good speakers. [10:49] Skywise: have a problem with the spindles and syncros. [10:49] ccfreak2k: yeah.. but they break [10:49] of course, we try to wipe our drives before they get sent to surplus. they just prefer not to take the risk, or take your word for it, and drill holes. not to mention, it solves the issue of dead drives that still have data on their plates [10:49] Hook up amped sound to the arm. [10:50] ccfreak2k: and most glass mirrors dont have as good resolution as a hd platter eitheor [10:51] and if you break those its 7 years of bad luck [10:51] And if you break a platter, it's seven years of bad data? [10:51] platters are more reflective since they don't have glass imperfections in them [10:51] how do you break a platter? [10:51] i agree with ananke, who other than superman [looking at the surface of a data object like crystals] would go through retrieving data from a platter with a drill bit hole through it? [10:51] and if u stop talking about stupid hd plates u all get a cookie :) [10:51] mirror wise they're virtually indestructible [10:51] A shotgun works well. [10:52] Or any manner of high-caliber rifle. [10:52] shotgun wouldn't penetrate the drive [10:52] now this is getting stupid... wasting a deadly roung on a hard drive... [10:52] s/roung/round [10:52] vastina, the person(s) in question would have to absolutely believe that evidence they require is definitely on that hard drive. [10:53] just be careful with laptop HDDs... some arent metal [10:53] i'm not willing to account for any and all future possible motives of people and wanting to access the hd data [10:53] my laptop is ssd [10:53] but if you destroy the media then it is no longer an issue [10:53] i have quite a few drives that have glass plates [10:53] glass!? [10:53] yes. glass. [10:53] papajack (n=papajack@unaffiliated/papajack) joined ##slackware. [10:53] wikipedia... [10:54] hello [10:54] ananke: I would be ceramic rather than glass [10:54] ccfreak2k: i use truecrypt and make use of crypto libraries on openbsd... it would take ages to just decrypt my data, on a government class modern mf computer... ie: not worth it [10:54] s/be/bet/ [10:54] vastina, thats just putting your head in the sand [10:54] as far as i understand, they're actual glass, not ceramic [10:54] its not only gov't who have vast computing resources or access to such [10:54] made by ibm. got a shark full of them, these are dead ones. [10:54] ceramic would hold up better than glass is my understanding [10:55] Skywise: elaborate how? it's the same as codifying all my communications and transmissions... [10:55] Action: Zordrak just turnedh a platter into a used-ice-rink with a screwdriver [10:55] because encryption is no safeguard [10:55] i believe it is [10:55] yes it is mnfctrd with glass....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk_platter [10:55] and i would be quite surprised if the nsa didn't have back door keys to any publically available encryption algo [10:56] Skywise: thats called paranoia [10:56] Skywise: get the attention fo the NSA... come on [10:56] right, they're in cahoots with the entire open-source community [10:56] ... in every country [10:56] Is it worth it getting slack 12 with gnome, or should i get the 13 version and install gnome afterwards? [10:56] s/fo/of [10:56] not at all, look at where the encryption comes thru and the licensing they require [10:56] papajack: slack12 doesnt have gnome [10:57] you said all publically available, many are open standards [10:57] Zordrak, I see a version with gnome on slacky.eu [10:57] read the source code [10:57] neither does slack13 - try gsb [10:57] papajack: gnome blows anyway.. pick something else [10:57] The Gnome-Slacky project was born with the idea of porting, in a non-intrusive way, the most recent version of [10:57] Gnome (the 2.26.3 at the time of ISO burning) on Slackware 12.2. [10:57] its quite easy to rig encryption with carefully chosen defective seeds [10:57] read the specs, have your neighborhood cryptographer do it for you [10:57] Well KDE is too shiny and stuff [10:57] misspwn (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:57] I don't like it [10:57] papajack: then make it less shiny [10:57] dartmouth (n=dartmout@24.25.172.165) joined ##slackware. [10:57] lol [10:57] or use Xfce [10:57] papajack, the point is that you'd have to install GNOME after installing 12 OR 13. [10:57] Skywise, i heard Jummy Hoffa has a list of back-door keys [10:57] hey ive got a stupid question lol [10:58] hm [10:58] *Jimmy [10:58] you should read about pgp developemtn [10:58] Zordrak, do you use KDE? [10:58] remember what you said about yesterday about the pen cap? [10:58] my printer is almost out of black ink and i have tons of stuff to print out-- is there a way to make my printer print pdf's where all my black is turned to a dark blue? [10:58] papajack: KDE, fluxbox or ttyX depending on my needs [10:58] ccfreak2k, Well they seem to provide it with slack 12.2 [10:59] Ok here is the website http://www.slacky.eu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2475 [10:59] papajack: slacky.eu blows too [10:59] papajack, you are mistaken. Slackware 12.2 does not include GNOME. [10:59] ananke: were you the one that gave me the link about the .50cal and 12 drives? [10:59] i`m using kde 3.5 on slackware64 [11:00] I can't install slack 64 and dual-boot it with windows xp pro or can I? [11:00] of course you can [11:00] a good way to make drives unusable in one go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iMmnhO69xc&feature=PlayList&p=2FFD5B1ADE1D9EAC&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=8 [11:00] ccfreak2k, i think he was referring to availability of installation for earlier versions; papajack those megapackages aren't up to date with newer versions of slack yet and they'll probably break your system if you dont wait for them. [11:00] personally i prefer xfce.. fast, light-weight and non-bloat [11:00] <_guitarman_> I have to figure out why my system is locking up from time to time on slack64 [11:00] <_guitarman_> full lock up. [11:00] ok, fair enough. [11:01] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.23.118) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:01] Hmm [11:01] _guitarman_: heat? [11:01] papajack, you're always welcome to build gnome from source, though. [11:01] Zordrak, I mean I have windows xp pro 32 bit installed. [11:01] _guitarman_: you missed a bit during installatnion.. youre only on 63 bits [11:01] pap so? [11:01] alisonken1noc: nope, wasn't me [11:01] <_guitarman_> spook: thats possible [11:01] dartmouth, Yeah I'm gonna do it like this, it's safer anyway. [11:01] building gnome is not some huge ordeal [11:01] <_guitarman_> Zordrak: lol [11:02] just google nsa encryption backdoor [11:02] http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/21935 [11:02] Zordrak, Just asking because I don't wanna mess it up and have to reinstall win or something. It's so boring [11:02] check that out [11:02] building gnome from scratch is not trivial, dartmouth, have you done it personally? [11:02] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl192-19.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:02] mancha, yes i have; it's time consuming but not difficult [11:02] hmmmmmmm "Temporary failure in name resolution: Succuess" [11:02] gnome sucks anyway though. just install gdm and use xfce with compiz :D [11:03] The-spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:03] I guess that means it succeeded in failing name resolution [11:03] i'm not convinced i'd ever attract the attention for anyone [nsa or otherwise] to blow through ssh and blowfish crypto [11:03] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [11:03] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.33.98) left irc: "Leaving" [11:03] vastina, you overinflate the nature of 'attention'. [11:03] if you're that worried you can go to one-time pads [11:04] vastina, thats again hiding your head in the sand, you have no idea what intrests them [11:04] you're also presuming that breaking your encryption is anything more then trivial for them [11:04] Skywise, it's more than likely not; are you in matrix-mode? Lol [11:05] reality is reality [11:05] being from england i'm well aware of the big brother shit [try living in Battersea London in congestion zone], still though, nothing UK big brother is going to do to me, i'm not worthy of crown attention, nor american big gov attention [11:05] pffft [11:05] the NSA guys will jsut ask those Roosevelt aliens to decrypt your puny human encryption alghos [11:05] well see now thats even worse [11:05] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.33.98) joined ##slackware. [11:05] slackytu1e, HAHHH [11:05] hahaha @ roosevelt aliens [11:05] living in england, you're required by law to hand over your keys [11:06] Skywise: same everywhere [11:06] no its not [11:06] slackytu1e: 'probable cause' in the u.s. comes to mind [11:06] its not even required by the rest of the EU [11:06] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:06] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [11:06] oh [11:06] Skywise: with the right questions comes the right answers... why would the crown government have the right questions? i must've done something bad and sloppy, no other excuse [11:06] lol [11:07] hmmm.. that raid rebuil/d is still 0% [11:07] Skywise, i really dont think MI5 or MI6 would pay overt attention to you for just about anything you can do online. [11:07] thats not good [11:07] yeah only criminals are accused [11:07] its only RAID1 and is on v fast disik [11:07] ok - time to head home [11:07] officials never abuse power [11:07] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:07] and why would you presume that [11:07] almost time to go home \o/ [11:07] Action: slackytu1e starts to shutdown things [11:08] Skywise, because you're not incredible as an asset, either negative or positive. [11:08] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [11:08] if you notice in the news, those afganis just arrested in ny have been linked by their internet traffic [11:08] thats not how they operate [11:08] Skywise, this means nothing to you [11:09] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:09] so now echelon doesn't exist? [11:09] the afghani arrests are free press, dude. you're not. [11:09] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@n146s183.ntc.blacksburg.shentel.net) joined ##slackware. [11:09] who said that? [11:09] uh, whatever [11:09] I just said you don't know what you're talking about. [11:09] m314 (n=mt@87.63.32.249) joined ##slackware. [11:09] no, you don't know what i'm talking about [11:09] Yeah I do. [11:10] no you don't [11:10] Skywise well if you are doing something illegal i hope you _do_ get caught [11:10] too much paranoia... just sounds like another englishman worried about his porn habits... [11:10] lol [11:10] i'm american [11:10] :p [11:10] then even worse man... shut up, you're fine [11:10] i just happen to know about security [11:10] america doesn't give a damn about you [11:10] i'm sure you do [11:10] whatever [11:11] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:11] vastina, no he's living in his mother's basement reading about stuff people have already been doing with no huge impact for 20 years and thinking that because he's younger and doing it that someone important will notice him. he's probably better off just getting a job using those talents then worrying about MI6 [11:11] lol [11:11] neonflux (n=mrjones@98.97.228.6) joined ##slackware. [11:11] i hope that made you feel superior [11:11] dartmouth: haha i'll go with that [11:11] you have absolutely no security experience [11:11] LOL [11:12] and its obvious [11:12] Well, those afghanis DID get arrested. [11:12] LOL [11:12] mupi (n=mupi@lk.92.63.17.252.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [11:12] yeah and the gov't just lucked on to them [11:13] Skywise: and what would you know about security? more than the rest of us anyway? [11:13] Skywise drinks his martinis shaken, not stirred [11:13] I never said big brother's not watching dude, I just said they don't give a shit about non-assets. [11:13] mancha: ha! [11:13] and you're wrong [11:13] and i'm saying you have no clue as to what they care about or why [11:14] isn't Skywise a troll? [11:14] and macha, i would figure you'd show some respect after yesterday [11:14] go back inyour box Superbaloo [11:14] superGear [11:14] isn't this ##slackware? [11:14] this is madness! [11:14] yeah Superbaloo [11:14] And, likely, if they did notice you out of the libraries upon libraries of information they have to process, they'd sure as hell not tell you about it until you did something that interests their own objectives (asset) [11:14] it started off about encryption [11:14] Skywise i am making jokes now, and yesterday was about breaking Kryptonite U-locks with a pen-cap :) [11:14] dartmouth: bingo. [11:14] and you were just as skeptical [11:14] see ya, slackers [11:14] Im off [11:15] sure, as would most humans when they were told a $60+ lock could be opened with a plastic cap [11:15] dartmouth, you're about 20 years out of date in regard to what they're capible of [11:15] no actully not [11:15] but this doesn't mean the NSA has an electronic pen cap for all crypto schemes [11:15] Skywise, tell me then, oh master of british spy technology. [11:15] Action: dartmouth thinks you're a dumbass [11:15] so what [11:15] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:15] yeah it does [11:16] you don't know how algo are constructed [11:16] Skywise: root me then [11:16] i said it [11:16] take this conversation elsewhere [11:16] who doesn't know? [11:16] even that article vastina posted backs up what i'm saying [11:16] the keys to encryption algos are its constants [11:16] Skywise: that's called theory [11:17] no [11:17] its how its done [11:17] theres a reason its done that way [11:17] so it can be backdoored [11:17] then root me if you know so much about algos and crypto evasion [11:17] LOOOL [11:17] how does that follow [11:17] the 2 aren't related [11:17] ok, take rsa as an example, it's been around a while and the math is not too hard. is your contention that the govt agencies can factor numbers faster than we think possible or that they've trojaned rsa implementations? [11:18] they don't need to factor the numbers [11:18] they have a back-door! no factoring mancha! *drools* [11:18] the notion that a security organization implanted a backdoor to open source technology is overwhelmingly hilarious and stupid. [11:18] the back door lets them decrypt using a nother method entirely, its a master key [11:18] conspiracy nuts? [11:18] vastina back door in what? the rsa computer code? [11:18] Action: vastina drools [11:18] clowns [11:18] no, just one. [11:19] it would take a second of research to confirm what i'm saying [11:19] mancha: back door to nothing, i have faith in my crypto [11:19] mathematically what does this key look like? [11:19] and it would be obvious if you knew anything at all [11:19] LOL [11:19] your arrogance is really unwarranted [11:19] Skywise, it is now clear to me you don't understand the math behind RSA [11:19] Skywise, that was an awesome troll. You should be on TV. [11:20] http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2007/11/security-experts-nist-encryption-standard-may-have-nsa-backdoor.ars [11:20] john_dee (n=id@93-81-119-114.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [11:20] please [11:20] Troll elsewhere please [11:20] you can stop with the childish tactics of namecalling since you have no reason to back your arguments [11:20] superGear, shut up [11:21] no one was talking to you [11:21] yeah.. uhh.. how bout you all go have a beer and leave each other alone [11:21] Skywise: the article you linked is clearly speculation. i wouldn't call it a definitive evidence at all [11:21] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [11:21] speculation? [11:21] yes, speculation [11:21] compgenius999 (n=IceChat7@84.70.79.150) left irc: No route to host [11:22] 'may', 'could potentially exist', and so on wording indicates speculation [11:22] you know what's funny about that article is that he says that but there is no POC whitepaper in accompaniement and no claims of having broken it. this is mostly due to the fact that it's just theory. [11:22] big argument time? [11:22] thats not my orginal source [11:22] its just one i'm using to demonstrate my point in how encryption is backdoored [11:22] Skywise: mind you, i'm not refuting your point, but i'm pointing out that so far you haven't provided actual evidence [11:22] It's like the theory of evolution applied to cryptography. [11:22] Skywise, you get me a POC on that and then we'll talk. [11:23] Skywise: you should feel pretty safe, you're clearly making our government's intel capabilities more sophisticated than any of us imagined, you should rock back and forth in your basement mumbling koombayya because they have you, you're scewered already, little did you know, we're all agents watching you [11:23] the constants are the key [11:23] i don't think you can use a blanket statement about encryption being backdoored [11:23] yes, i can [11:23] you its not just done willy nilly [11:23] you cannot just make up and algo and use it and distribute it [11:23] Skywise, ok, well type up that POC for us and we'll all send you beer money. [11:24] if the random seed is your issue then use programs that rely on you moving the mouse around if you suspect linus and /dev/random [11:24] it all has to be licsenced by the govt [11:24] LOL [11:24] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [11:24] this guy is totally a troll [11:24] the random seed will not do anything about the master key [11:24] proof of concept or you're just talking shit. [11:24] this topic is clearly too complex for you guys [11:24] Skywise: you are aware that some people dont live in america, right? [11:24] you're not smart enough to understand [11:24] HAHAHA [11:24] LOL [11:25] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [11:25] s/America/US [11:25] Nick change: hiptobecubic^ -> hiptobecubic [11:25] :) [11:25] well i can read the 32bit file now.... :p [11:25] yeah, i guess they're aware of the technology export laws wither [11:25] s/US/THEM/ [11:25] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [11:25] vastina, he's got a POC typed up, but it's written in klingon because the english language is not complex enough to cover its intricacies. [11:25] how droll [11:25] boy are you clever [11:26] dartmouth: i'm in fear... [11:26] sorry, you're too smart for me to understand that. can you break that down for me? [11:26] Skywise: s/droll/drole/ [11:26] it's clear this isn't going anywhere, and has turned into flame fest. [11:26] whats POC? [11:26] ananke: agreed. [11:26] s/drole/drôle/ [11:26] proof of concept [11:26] um not it hasn't [11:26] aaaaa [11:26] theres only one side flaming [11:26] ananke, sorry, it's just so obviously a troll. this guy is a young, budding schizophrenic. [11:26] what a presumption [11:27] you're just an ass [11:27] truth [11:27] cute ass? :) [11:27] of course I am. I'm a SMART ass. [11:27] you know a single thing about me [11:27] aaah.. [11:27] er don't know [11:27] Skywise: go read man pages or something, be more productive... [11:27] ahh much better.. raid now rebuilding at about 10%/minute [11:27] ElvisPresley (n=ElvisPre@189.58.6.5.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:27] you could try growing a brain [11:28] :D [11:28] hello friends [11:28] Skywise, ok, i'll go study while you write that whitepaper utilizing an exploit of that NSA backdoor [11:28] You're dead! [11:29] what superGear ? [11:29] You're dead! [11:29] that is a random thought... :) [11:29] ElvisPresley, is in the house [11:29] yes it is [11:29] i need a help [11:30] me too [11:30] anyone uses gambas? [11:30] r_linux_ (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [11:30] Like.. replicants of Paul Gambuccini? [11:30] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:31] like vb [11:31] but it`s free [11:31] Skywise: thank you... not being sarcy... i valued the entertainment from that convo [11:31] afk [11:32] it was a bunch of crap imo [11:32] remember to root me and render the POC on my home directory ok? [11:32] I think I looked at it, EP, but I don't think I tried it. [11:32] ugh [11:32] just after you blow me [11:32] of course you cant chroot into 64bit from 32 [11:33] please no gay activity in public [11:33] Anything in particular you're looking for? I might be able to help anyway. [11:33] slackytu1e (n=icke@p4FD89C78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:35] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@n146s183.ntc.blacksburg.shentel.net) left irc: "Leaving." [11:36] pwc101 (n=pwc101@94-192-0-60.zone6.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:36] hey guys i gotta jet for a bit. I need to go tell people about this incredible theoretical exploit that could have theoretically been planted by people who theoretically would care to, even though history suggests otherwise. [11:36] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [11:36] har har [11:37] why don't you try to actually learn about encryption [11:37] its not some magical impenetrable black box [11:37] I would but I'm afraid the MI6 would hunt me down. [11:37] buahaha [11:37] they don't need too, you're on camera [11:37] Ah, yes, I forgot about the old 'camera in your alarm clock' trick. Sorry. [11:38] Nick change: init[1]|S -> init[1] [11:38] Trick's on them! I don't USE technology! [11:38] encryption is only factoring large numbers [11:38] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest25725 [11:38] numbers so large it should be impossible to guess [11:38] Action: BackLash|TheFly hates receiving collections mail, LOVES responding to them >:) [11:38] Dude I'm sorry to bring it back up again, but they only need the impression of being from the future; we really have not progressed in the area of observation that much in the last 30 or 40 years. [11:38] but that can be cheated if you know the factors of those numbers [11:39] Guest25725 (i=buffer@free.psybnc.and.eggdrop.at.shellium.org) left ##slackware. [11:40] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@n146s183.ntc.blacksburg.shentel.net) joined ##slackware. [11:40] BackLash|TheFly: If they give you a little prepaid envelope, be nice and send them coupons. [11:40] all the algos changes is the method you use to encrypt and decrypt the data, but they all use static constants [11:40] init[1] (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [11:40] its really not that fantastic [11:41] Action: init[1] i'm not a bot,some error occured with my bouncer [11:41] jkwood: i send them legal jargon (i speak fluent legal) they dont respond usually [11:41] Action: BP{k} thinks init[1] is a bot. [11:41] Action: jkwood agrees with BP{k} [11:41] Its even funnier when i send them "404 file not found" [11:41] only a bot would deny its true existance. [11:42] BP{k}: howdy, ! do you think a bot can parse your sentence (0_0) [11:42] now that would be funny to have an autogenerated response to the form mail [11:42] Skywise, you also have to consider the possible benefit they'd receive from that weighed against the potential risks involved in doing that. it's unwise for an intelligence agency with any kind of 'general welfare' objective to put encryption backdoors in anything because it opens doors for their enemies as well. and, not to mention the NSA is more than likely using similarly origined technology as well. [11:42] init[1]: Why do you think that a bot can parse your sentence (0_0)? [11:43] the gov't doesn't use those standards [11:43] init[1]: 1) yes 2) technically that answer could be just a standard response without having parsed my answer in the first place. [11:43] they use milspec encryption [11:43] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:43] more importantly, secure things are physically secured [11:43] Also, the NSA controls at least half the computing power in the world. The risks of a backdoor outweigh the benefits. [11:43] LOL i just format it exactly like a webpage, I've sent that one "Does Not Compute" & "Kernel Panic!" [11:44] BP{k}: ask me some trick question , if you have time to do so, a bot wouldn't be that intelligent [11:44] s/trick/tricky/ [11:44] not do you exepect a bot to correct that ? [11:44] :P [11:44] n/not/now/ [11:44] next one i send will probably be a full fledged BSOD [11:44] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:44] BP{k}, i am absolutely certain that he is a bot ;) [11:44] Action: BackLash|TheFly hopes they are archiving these for posterity [11:45] Action: init[1] huh?,how will i prove my human [11:45] "[privmsg] init[1]: hey, this is suzie, check out my profile here [url removed]" [11:45] only bots speak in emote [11:45] -.- [11:45] and the gov't doesn't believe in perfectly secure encryption, their methods are rated by the estimated time a concerted advisary would need to break it [11:45] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:45] dartmouth: omg! did i do that ? [11:46] init[1]: 1) You think it's that hard to program a bot that a) has typing errors in there response b) pretends to correct them?? [11:46] Skywise: so puffy the barbarian is a liar? NSA has been penetrating puffy this whole time? [11:46] Action: vastina is in fear [11:46] i have no idea what that is [11:47] Skywise: i thought you knew ALL about crypto and you don't know who puffy the barbarian is? [11:47] BP{k}: well,no, but i would like you answer few question you ask me,if you don't mind,that would prove me human [11:47] i would say, encryption only deters the small guys [11:47] like my mum keylogging me? [11:47] Action: jkwood personally prefers Tapdance to silly mathematical tricks [11:48] 01000010011010010110111001100001011100100111100100100000010011010110000101101110001011000010000001000010011010010110111001100001011100100111100100100000010011010110000101101110001011100010000001000100011011110110010101110011001000000101011101101000011000010111010001100101011101100110010101110010001000000100001001101001011011100110000101110010011110010010000001000011011000010110111000101110 [11:48] :D [11:48] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:48] anyone who can read binary is a bot [11:48] i don't use bsd [11:48] Action: BackLash|TheFly = bot [11:48] Skywise: you don't use much security [11:49] engrxyz (n=zcvzxcvx@host81-143-50-89.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [11:49] seriously... someone translate that to english [11:49] lol its worth it [11:49] um, yeah ok [11:49] ok indeed [11:49] BackLash|TheFly: That's impossible. Nobody's mouth is that big. [11:49] :O [11:49] youll never know the secret message then [11:49] BackLash|TheFly: Binary Man, Binary Man. Does Whatever Binary Can. [11:49] :D [11:49] BackLash|TheFly: Binary Man, Binary Man. Does Whatever Binary Can. <- the binary [11:49] hi, anyone with a tip as to why i can't install a theme in slck 13.x [11:50] engrxyz: kde? [11:50] engrxyz: what sort of theme? [11:50] init[1], ; yeah kde [11:50] i used to write notes in class in binary [11:50] meh bloat [11:50] under Appearance->Settings [11:50] system settings [11:50] there is this Get New Theme [11:51] KDE = the way of the elephant [11:51] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:51] lol vastina ^ [11:51] do i have to be a root just to install a theme? [11:51] yeah KDE's a fat kid on a frozen lake [11:51] heh [11:51] engrxyz: sorry i think you need root priv,i'm sure though,in xfce we have ~/.theme [11:51] not sure if its gonna hold up... [11:51] i don't believe in the concept of impregnable security, and i think the persuit of such is a waste of time [11:51] s/i'm not/ [11:51] init[1], : you are selling xfce to me for ages already heheh [11:52] Root privileges are not necessary for themes in KDE4. [11:52] xfce = best [11:52] i use it' [11:52] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [11:52] engrxyz: :P [11:52] I <\3 KDE4.x [11:52] I believe in impregnable security. [11:52] and i speak binary [11:52] come on. [11:52] theres always some way around [11:52] Skywise: impregnable security does exist in the context of networking [11:52] Skywise: here... just... http://www.nsa.gov/careers/ [11:52] hey tips here on how to have root privileges as ordinary user in kde [11:52] its called unplugging it [11:52] engrxyz: read the docs [11:52] i came to aske a questing regarding IPC , [11:53] ICP? [11:53] when we use *shmget* and attach it to a process [11:53] top be honest kde 4.x is hard to us [11:53] terible musci [11:53] use [11:53] lol [11:53] engrxyz: kdesu [11:53] engrxyz, What happens when you click the "new theme" button? [11:53] adamk, : it won't do a thing [11:53] KDE 4 isn't hard to use. =p [11:53] engrxyz, No knew window pops up? [11:53] s/knew/new/ [11:53] and forks a child , how do we pass the allocated address to child [11:54] adamk, : new window pops up but theme is not installed [11:54] do we have to recall *shmget* to get the shmid ? [11:54] engrxyz, So the new window pops up and you see a list of themes with thumbnails? [11:54] in the child process [11:54] yes but clicking install won't do a magic [11:54] security is only an obstacle [11:54] not all themes install for me [11:54] some do [11:54] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-72-22.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [11:55] Skywise: go here, apply; http://www.nsa.gov/careers/ [11:55] you'd fit well [11:55] maybe kde will just allow you to install ugly themes [11:55] engrxyz: Are you able to sudo? [11:55] i ignored you the last time you posted that [11:55] ok... http://www.nsa.gov/careers/ [11:55] :) [11:55] leave Skywise alone lol [11:55] jkwood, i dont believe in impregnable security. a little boone's farm and a nice jazz album, show off your cooking, and throw in something fun but bad, like throwing firecrackers off the roof if you live in the city....and all that security goes away lol [11:55] engrxyz, Make sure you own the directory the themes get downloaded to.... I believe it's ~/.kde/share/apps/desktoptheme/ [11:55] jkwood, : yeah i've set /etc/sudoers to my username [11:56] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-14-65-139.brnt.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:56] engrxyz: Alt-F2, type "kdesu systemsettings" and go from there. [11:56] That *should* do the trick. [11:56] adamk, : I own that dir [11:56] Seriously, he should fix whatever permissions are causing this problem. [11:56] Assuming it's a permissions problem. [11:57] lunch time! [11:57] you know guys know that wpa has been cracked in 60 seconds now? [11:57] I just installed the Ghost desktop theme as my normal user in Slack 13 without any issues... Maybe there's a firewall blocking your download? [11:57] cbrpnk (i=davi@189.4.69.108) joined ##slackware. [11:58] Skywise: WPA != good crypto fyi [11:58] actually desktop themes install fine [11:58] jkwood, : it says there was an error loading data providers [11:59] my argument is more about the encryption doesn't have to be broken the way it was encoded [11:59] engrxyz: That sounds like a possible firewall issue, then. [11:59] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@n146s183.ntc.blacksburg.shentel.net) left irc: "Leaving." [11:59] now that just using brute force [11:59] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) left irc: "leaving" [11:59] jkwood, : firewall? my firewalls is pass in all pass out all [11:59] lolz [12:00] its more to my point that breaking encryption is not some unsurmountable protection for your data [12:00] and the capability only grows [12:00] quantum computers could make encryption entirely irrelevant [12:01] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@d24-57-84-192.home.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:01] magazine science [12:01] wamty_ (n=wamty@94.187.124.169) joined ##slackware. [12:01] I am running slackware 13 and want to use peap to auth for my company wireless. [12:01] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:01] Where is nullboy? He'd have a hard attack. [12:01] I am not sure how to get started I can figure it out if someone could start me in the right direction [12:01] well, its really not far fetched [12:01] Yes, hard. [12:02] anyone? [12:02] People look at quantum mechanics as the next big thing in physics. I'm not so convinced. [12:02] the issue with quantum computing are the number of bits you can process [12:03] wamty_: You might try asking in #wicd. They'd know how it can be done, if at all. [12:03] why not here? [12:03] i think of quantum mechanics as a logical contruct of what we've observed but its not a strictly accurate model of the universe [12:04] meaning that things may happen as they predict, but they do not offer any insight as to why [12:04] Higher signal/noise ratio. [12:04] wamty_: use wap_gui or grab WICD from SBo. [12:04] or wicd from /extra [12:05] greta thanks [12:05] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [12:05] superGear: Oh ya.. duh. i keep forgetting it's in there now. thanks :D [12:05] but quantum mechanics doesn't make sense to me on a visceral level, but i understand it logically [12:06] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [12:07] some thing that quantum computers might be able to decrypt anything but it would take an astronomically long time to feed anything larger then a few megabytes [12:07] m314 (n=mt@87.63.32.249) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:08] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [12:08] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-130-115.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:08] how do you grep for a - in the name? [12:08] so the mechanics might make it impossible or impractical to ever use [12:08] ie grep "-name" * [12:08] juice: uhhh.. like that [12:08] doesn't work [12:09] rephrase what you want [12:09] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:09] grep: invalid max count [12:09] i want to find -name in all files [12:09] in a folder [12:09] soI tried [12:09] grep -r "-name" * [12:09] it returns [12:09] ought to work [12:09] the invalid max count [12:09] meh.. escape it [12:09] no, you wanna use a regexp [12:10] "\-name" [12:10] grep \-name * [12:10] should the wildcard be in the quotes? [12:10] ok [12:10] Zordrak, you need the quotes [12:10] okay [12:10] thanks [12:10] or another \ [12:10] ^ [12:11] Action: Zordrak favouls grep \\-name foo [12:11] *favours [12:11] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [12:11] yes either way works [12:11] quotes or the double \ [12:11] thanks Zordrak [12:12] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-20-51-11.brnt.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [12:12] i knew it was something simple lol [12:12] grep -e also works with a hyphen in the pattern [12:13] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:13] egrep [12:14] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [12:14] Action: allend a rose is still a rose ... [12:14] cybErpunk (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:17] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:18] tooly (n=tooly@e178153211.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [12:18] Ban on Government Mandated Key Escrow § 101(b) "... no agency of the United States nor any State may require, compel, set standards for, condition any approval on, or condition the receipt of any benefit on, a requirement that a decryption key, access to a decryption key, key recovery information, or other plaintext access capability be (A) given to any other person, including any agency of the United States or a State, or any entity in the private secto [12:18] key recovery information, or other plaintext access capability be (A) given to any other person, including any agency of the United States or a State, or any entity in the private sector; or (B) retained by any [12:18] person using encryption." [12:18] :p [12:18] oops [12:18] there you go [12:19] mupi (n=mupi@lk.92.63.17.252.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Connection timed out [12:20] have link? ^ [12:20] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [12:20] it's the encryption bill from 1998 [12:20] http://www.techlawjournal.com/encrypt/80514.htm [12:20] that has nothing to do with rigged constants [12:20] in the NIST standards [12:20] Skywise: seriously... i'll take my chances [12:21] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:21] i mentioned wpa to say that even without a backdoor, its trivial to brute force encryption [12:22] trivial??? [12:22] now, i don't have the nsa's resources to bring to bear [12:22] ok i need to stop, this is keeping me from work [12:22] vastina, it keeps calling it a bill. Did it actually pass and become a law? [12:22] because its only a matter of scale [12:22] Rigged constants... oy vey [12:22] its not technique [12:22] ccfreak2k: i believe it was ratified in 1998 or 1999 [12:22] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [12:23] and more importantly to our conversation right now... not amended [12:23] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-4.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:23] superGear (n=supergea@65.113.15.181) joined ##slackware. [12:24] Skywise: Your arguments are based on the ability to do factorisation, but you neglect the effect of the modulo component in the algorithm. [12:24] do you guys even remembered when they wanted clipper chips in pcs? [12:25] xsamurai (n=takamata@pool-71-106-233-110.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:25] well they let that go when they no longer needed it [12:25] compgenius999 (n=IceChat7@84.70.79.150) joined ##slackware. [12:25] I remember clipper ships in the 7 seas. [12:26] there were plans to have a dedicated encryption processor on motherboards [12:26] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. 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[12:42] cause cfdisk has no way to know what drive you want to analyze [12:43] Kamel- (n=1@173.132.6.75) joined ##slackware. [12:43] the default is /dev/hda iirc, so whatever that device is assigned to will be read [12:43] ah [12:43] ok [12:44] s0d0 (n=jdr@host81-141-48-4.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [12:46] fdisk, for example, doesn't have a default, you must specify the device [12:46] werti_ (i=500@89-178-142-249.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:46] wertik_rus (i=500@89.178.142.249) left irc: "Leaving" [12:47] it gave me an error the last time i tried to install it, it was complaining about the package [12:47] what did? [12:47] I forgot to note it [12:47] the installation [12:48] the installation of what? [12:48] of some packages, i forgot to write it down [12:48] i'm installing it on vmware [12:48] ok, i don't know what you mean, is this related to cfdisk, fdisk, neither? [12:49] no, it's after that when slack is installing [12:49] i see, don't know. it should be simple no? i have not used vmare [12:49] well i just deleted it and started over :) [12:49] marchhare (n=marchhar@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:50] no clue, all i know is vmware is closed source so it doesn't make it on any machines i own [12:51] yes, it's commercial. [12:51] Virtualbox ftw [12:52] i don't mind commercial, closed source is a deal breaker though [12:52] wamty_ (n=wamty@94.187.124.169) joined ##slackware. [12:52] slack 13 kde desktop [12:52] in a vm [12:52] is slow as hell [12:52] not here [12:52] you in a vm? [12:52] the only os that was slow on my vm was opensolaris. slow as hell [12:52] no i use vm under xp pro [12:52] whats the vm channel here on freenode? [12:53] Kamel (n=1@68-242-58-32.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Connection timed out [12:53] there isn't any [12:53] Nick change: werti_ -> wertik_rus [12:53] Nick change: g4tt0 -> CatWalker [12:53] it's not open-source [12:53] there is one iirc [12:53] at least i don't think there is any. [12:53] oh, then it's #vmware [12:53] VM stands for what? [12:54] heh [12:54] virtual machine [12:55] Nick change: Kamel- -> Kamel [12:55] anyone know why I might be getting "kernel: ath5k phy0: noise floor calibration timeout (2462MHz)" in dmesg and syslog? [12:58] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.174.170.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [12:58] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [13:00] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [13:01] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.62.74) joined ##slackware. [13:02] t0 (n=t0@brln-4dbab966.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:02] hmmm Slackware might very well have been the worst choice for a game server OS lol [13:02] i bet google knows. she knows everything [13:03] no google doesn't know sahko [13:03] im compiling my own kernel here so we'll seeeeee [13:03] mrselfpwn: http://www.google.gr/search?q=kernel%3A+ath5k+phy0%3A+noise+floor+calibration+timeout&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a [13:03] no shit [13:03] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:04] yes i've been through all of those. you think? [13:04] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@d24-57-84-192.home.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:05] http://osdir.com/ml/linux-wireless/2009-09/msg00897.html [13:05] Not very well, it would seem :-) [13:08] steiger (n=steiger@200.128.60.12) joined ##slackware. [13:08] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-130-115.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:08] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:08] How big would you guys think Slackware is, fresh install with all the packages? [13:09] or everything except KDE [13:09] Cryp71c, if your question is really "how big should I set my root partition" then the answer is 5-10 GB. [13:09] 4.5g? 5g? [13:09] assuming your /home partition is the rest of your disk, maybe even minus a /tmp partition [13:09] 4.8+GB according to the install disk [13:10] dartmouth, netbook, trying to determine installation packages. [13:10] Cryp71c: I have a new 64/13.0 with everything but KDE and it's 4.0G (on a single partition). [13:10] Cryp71c, trying to determine -what- about the installation packages? [13:10] Cryp71c: Allow 10GB for a working sytem and other additions. [13:11] dartmouth, whether or not I'm going to regret putting slackware on this netbook in 4 months, or less. [13:11] adamk: that is from 2.6.27 [13:11] dimmerbold, slack12 or 13? [13:11] Action: dartmouth wishes one of the opers would make an obnoxious announcement on a blog requesting verbosity in questions so that he doesnt have to [13:11] ElvisPresley (n=ElvisPre@189.58.6.5.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [13:11] 64/13.0 ^^ [13:11] dartmouth: haha my root is never larger than 500mb [13:11] dimmerbold, sorry didn't realize that's what you were referring to. [13:12] Cryp71c, set it to 10GB for /, and much more for /home [13:12] Action: Cryp71c doesn't use the -v flag in question-stating, since they tend to go ignored, apparently for laziness. [13:12] clarity is not one of my strongest points. [13:12] a /usr partition "helps" [13:12] dartmouth, I'm not concerned with partitioning my drive. Its a SSD netbook. Its only 16gb. [13:12] and a /tmp partition is good practice [13:12] wow... 10GB root... [13:12] Action: vastina coghs up fat [13:12] s/coghs/coughs [13:13] if it's only 16GB you're probably better off with a smaller distro and building what you need from source [13:13] 16gb is more then enough for slack [13:13] dartmouth, can't I just do a minimal install and then just slackpkg what I need? [13:13] why? if it's a netbook, it's probably not going to need alot of weighty software. 16GB is plenty. [13:13] Would that not help/ [13:13] xsamurai, im pretty sure he's dual-booting [13:13] briareus (n=briareus@mayo-nat2.mayo.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:14] dartmouth, na [13:14] dartmouth: that's a silly statement. Slackware works perfectly well on a 16GB disk without any problably. [13:14] BP{k}, my mistake i thought he was wanting to dual boot [13:14] its the window manager that takes up a lot of space [13:14] dartmouth: one shouldn't asume :P [13:14] No KDE for me! [13:14] Cryp71c: I have run slackware in a 4GB partition (without KDE), but it is tight for space. [13:14] Thinking I'm gonna use DWM since the monitor is too small for tons of desktop icons anyways. [13:14] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [13:14] I have run slackware on a 5GB harddrive by leaving KDE stuff out. it's a tight fight but it works. [13:14] Cryp71c, i'd suggest xfce [13:15] how often do you all experience hard locks? I've had two in a week while using vertical scrollbar in firefox. System just locks solid, have to hard boot. [13:15] Skywise: actually, wms are relatively small. desktop environments are big [13:15] i've run slackware on a 200mb hd with 24mb of ram [13:15] dartmouth, that's what I use on my work system. full desktop, its nice. but its still got a moderate amount of screen clutter compared to something ultra-slim like DWM. [13:15] briareus, firefox seems relatively unstable; i get that with alot of mozilla apps; no hard locks, just not alot of reliability [13:15] oh yeah? I've run slackware on my wristwatch, and its ANALOG. [13:15] rg31 (n=deckard@83.231.82.68) joined ##slackware. [13:15] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@d24-57-84-192.home.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:15] i've run slackware on a stick of chewing gum and some spit [13:15] rg31 (n=deckard@83.231.82.68) left irc: Client Quit [13:15] lol briareus [13:15] but i'm not exaggerating [13:16] its a amd 486 66/dx2 [13:16] Skywise, must have been an older version of slack [13:16] I've run slackware in a dead slug [13:16] Skywise: back in the day we used to run slackware on even less. [13:16] this is from back in the day [13:16] it was a hell of a rig in its time [13:16] the hd only died this summer [13:16] rg31 (n=deckard@62.32.134.26) joined ##slackware. [13:17] dartmouth: I can't figure even *why* a software that bugs out, firefox or otherwise, should take the entire i/o system with it. [13:17] it ran ircd, bind, sendmail, apache and mysql [13:17] I mean, even if firefox is shit, shouldn't the slackware system be able to continue [13:18] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [13:18] briareus, yeah it is odd. i bet it's one of those issues where mozilla blames the OS and the OS blames mozilla because no one wants to figure out how to fix it. [13:18] maybe it only blows up your console [13:18] briareus: actually, it happens often. bugs in video drivers get triggered via specific functions in your [13:18] briareus: it probably did. Did you try to ssh in? 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[13:20] Nick change: SIGBUS -> SIGSEGV [13:21] Nick change: SIGSEGV -> SIGBUS [13:21] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A774EE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] can i ask in here for some advices on buying some pc components? [13:21] Keiffer, what kind of advice? [13:21] Keiffer: don't ask to ask, just ask [13:21] Keiffer: I recommend you discard political correctness when purchasing components [13:22] Ok [13:22] and wear pants, if not purchasing on-line [13:22] jareth__ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:22] Keiffer, I'd go AMD for the processor, and grab an NVIDIA graphics card, and a mobo with no onboard graphics. [13:22] pants are good. mostly because they are fun to take off. [13:22] only if she takes them off for me [13:22] So i don't know what to buy, I want a news system, for multitasking with corel apps and vritual machines [13:23] s/them/mine/ [13:23] somehow, not sure why, presence of pants helps while purchasing things. incidentally, they have to be present on you, not just next to you [13:23] cybErpunk (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [13:23] there you go - spoling the fun again [13:23] cbrpnk (i=davi@189.4.69.108) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:23] spoiling [13:23] Keiffer: so what's the problem/question? [13:23] Keiffer, http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/processors/phenom/Pages/AMD-phenom-processor-X4-X3-at-home.aspx [13:24] well, i don't know what MB and CPU to choose. I doesn't have to be "the best" "the powerful" [13:24] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:26] eh, Intel and MS work together to bring silverlight to Moblin [13:26] ananke, it would be better to make it as i want [13:27] hello, I'm doing some coding with php and just noticed that ZipArchive::extractTo() takes for ever... httpd process goes close to 100% cpu usage... is it possible to be slackware related? the bug hasn't been reported on php [13:27] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:27] so what do you think about the 2.6.31 kernel? [13:27] SIGBUS (i=hadriel@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:27] Reticenti, bloated [13:27] lol [13:27] Crosswing (n=petru@unaffiliated/crosswing) joined ##slackware. [13:27] Reticenti: >2.6.30 [13:28] P4C0, yes you can use 'unzip' called from a cgi app (you can do this in bash) [13:28] what do you think of this INTEL CORE2 DUO E7500, LGA775, 2.93GHz, 1066MHz, 3MB LEVEL2, 45NM, DUAL CORE, [13:28] Keiffer, go AMD for the proc, you'll be glad you did. [13:28] just buy the fastest you can afford [13:28] dartmouth: ? I'm using ZipArchive::extractTo() is it broken? [13:30] SIGBUS (i=hadriel@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:30] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.231.5) left irc: "Leaving." [13:30] P4C0, >I doubt its slackware related. slackware usually keeps the stuff from upstream as it is [13:30] slackytude: why do you think it's bloated? [13:30] 4gb of ram. the proc should be 64bits? [13:30] Reticenti, cos Linus said so [13:30] Keiffer, yeah [13:31] Keiffer, no reason not to go 64bit [13:31] SIGBUS (i=hadriel@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:31] Keiffer, except maybe flash ^-^ [13:31] http://team.silverlight.net/announcements/intel-and-microsoft-announce-collaboration-to-provide-great-experiences-for-atom/ [13:31] BackLash|TheFly (n=fly@71.59.131.100) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [13:31] P4C0, no, what im saying is that if the php function to extract a zip is acting funky and slowing the whole machine down then you can just do it with a bash script using a system call to an app. [13:31] if i go for 64, is there a lower limit for ram? is 4gb enough? [13:32] Keiffer, no lower limit [13:32] 4gb is enough [13:32] P4C0, and then setup your httpd (apache) to run bash scripts in your cgi-bin directory [13:32] Action: dartmouth is out to work [13:33] sound on board. what about NIC? better on board or no? [13:33] never had issues with onboard lan [13:33] ymmw [13:33] a NIC (i believe) will have higher latency but will do more if you need it. [13:34] can still add a nic [13:34] I would also go with a graphic card, but i don't play games and if compiz works on my present machine it sure will do on a onboard [13:35] i'd recommend against that Keiffer [13:35] Keiffer, the reason being is that alot of onboards are not compatible with compiz-- those that are perform very poorly [13:35] ah [13:36] you're more than likely going to end up with some low-end nvidia or an S3 which is going to suck balls and overheat and wig out all the time. [13:36] save yourself some trouble and get a graphics card [13:36] ok. wilco [13:36] I'd recommend a 'middle end' NVIDIA [13:36] yeah [13:37] cant go wrong with that [13:37] Action: dartmouth is going to build a 'kickass' system in a couple years, and then just won't ever need to use another machine again [13:37] or, you could try to get a card that fully works with the new xorg and kernel. [13:38] for KMS and so on [13:38] KMS? [13:38] Kernel Mode setting [13:38] its the new shit [13:38] what does it do? [13:38] its prolly better to get whatever software you wanna use works with best [13:39] KMS new shit that will be new silk later on [13:39] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@d24-57-84-192.home.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:40] what does KMS do? [13:40] hba (n=hba@148.208.237.69) joined ##slackware. [13:40] i found a CPU AMD Phenom II X2 550 Dual Core, socket AM3, 3.1GHz, Box [13:40] the kernel handles graphic card memory and video settings now, xorg is out of it. lots of advantages to that, check kernelnewbies.org for more info. its the direction linux and linux graphics hard is going.. At the end, there should be a unified driver model and more and better 3D Opensource stuff, like gallium 3d [13:40] ah [13:40] dartmouth, if I wanted to do a psuedo minimal install of slackware 13 where I have all the basic stuff, and most of the stuff I'll need to build other packages (so that I'm not having to slackpkg every single thing in the world0 [13:41] What packages should I go with/ [13:42] everything except KDE and KDEI [13:42] Cryp71c: skip /e /kde and /kdei [13:42] and then build and install kdelibs yourself [13:42] and emacs [13:43] emacs is tiny, you can leave it [13:43] could drop latex as well and the tcl stuff [13:43] and emacs comes in handy [13:43] latex can go; tcl is handy [13:43] Action: vastina starts troll war.... [13:43] VI! [13:43] LOL [13:43] j/k [13:43] superGear (n=supergea@65.113.15.181) left irc: [13:44] although now that i think about it latex is a good dependency isn't it? [13:44] for what? [13:44] i can't remember [13:44] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: "ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" [13:44] no, afaik [13:44] LOL [13:45] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:45] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-90-126.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:45] oh boy [13:45] Action: dartmouth laughs at oahong's exit comment [13:45] Action: vastina too [13:45] neonflux (n=mrjones@98.97.228.6) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:45] Action: dartmouth laughs at Emeau [13:46] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:46] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-nkvplxdgbsjzgbdt) left irc: [13:46] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@d24-57-84-192.home.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:47] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:48] Emeau (n=Emeau@90.2.209.126) joined ##slackware. [13:48] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:48] back, darn users [13:48] Action: slackytude nods [13:48] they are annoying [13:48] Keiffer: 13:26 Keiffer> ananke, it would be better to make it as i want <- just because you want to make it, doesn't mean you'll end up with better results [13:49] but keep some people in a job [13:49] [Kairos] (n=Kairos@unaffiliated/kairos) left irc: "Leaving" [13:49] Keiffer: a well built vendor machine will likely be less problematic than a machine put together with shoe strings and glue [13:50] true [13:50] oahong (n=user@218.83.159.6) joined ##slackware. [13:50] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [13:51] Keiffer: ohh, and regarding the cpu, i usually recommend intel over amd [13:51] ????????? [13:51] AMD has lost their edge. [13:51] especially when it comes ot core2duo and later [13:51] intel is whacky on their VT stuff, be sure to have it [13:51] core2duo's can be found for ~$115 [13:52] for some reason, slackwares X is randomly failing [13:52] running kde? [13:52] no matter which window manager i use, it just flickers back to the login screen after it tries to load it [13:52] compgenius999: well, check your log @ /var/log/Xorg.0.log [13:52] indeed, if you plan on running virtual machines, intel's VT will come in handy [13:52] compgenius999, paste your log somewhere [13:52] can't thrice [13:53] VT ? [13:53] when slackware starts in X [13:53] ok, we'll resort to telepathy. stand by [13:53] dimmerbold: you pinged yesterday? [13:53] all the tty's r locked [13:53] virtual technology [13:53] compgenius999: Do they work fine from a terminal if you run 'xinit /usr/bin/fluxbox' or 'xinit /usr/bin/startkde' ? [13:53] ahh [13:53] compgenius999, 6 should be free [13:53] compgenius999: 6 [13:53] compgenius999: are you using a xorg.conf ? [13:53] Heh. [13:53] \o/ [13:53] nope [13:53] compgenius999: is hald running? [13:53] it should be [13:54] indeed, it should [13:54] only you know that, though. [13:54] i seen it start while the linux kernel was booting [13:54] compgenius999: YOu can always boot into run level 3 to keep X from trying to start? [13:54] well, as fun as begging you for information is, I must get back to work [13:54] well i cant logon to any terminals [13:54] to edit inittab [13:54] SO add '3' to the boot line in lilo or grub. [13:54] hmm, i think i can boot into ubuntu and do it though [13:54] oh# [13:55] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [13:55] i'll add 3 to the boot line then adamk [13:56] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-72-22.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:56] SpacePlod: you done with the superM account? [13:56] OT for here...email me, please. [13:56] ok, at the end of my boot line worked [13:56] 3* [13:56] dimmerbold: ^^ [13:57] k [13:57] dude, there's an option from your lilo prompt that can force the kernel to start in a specified runlevel despite whats in /etc/ttys [13:57] use that [13:58] then change the default runlevel to 3 [13:58] Uhhh... That's what he did. [13:58] then the issue is not X [13:58] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:58] compgenius999: what graphics chip/card? [13:59] its an old hercules 4000xt [13:59] worked fine yesterday [13:59] compgenius999: Now try starting X with fluxbox or kde with 'xinit /usr/bin/fluxbox ' or 'xinit /usr/bin/startkde' and see if they start up as expected. [13:59] yep [13:59] fluxbox started fine [14:00] I suggest going into run level 4, letting the display manager start up and, if it fails, checking your users ~/.xsession-errors file for errors. [14:01] compgenius999; I do not know that card. Maybe it does not support direct rendering. [14:01] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [14:01] It doesn't. [14:01] It's kyro based, but it still shouldn't cause KDE not to start. [14:01] its only made in 2001 [14:01] kde worked fine yesterday [14:01] now its failingh [14:02] RIght, do what I suggested :-) [14:02] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.4.90) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:02] grazymax (n=grazymax@host181-156-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:02] i'll just reboot and see if it starts now [14:02] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc65215b1.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:02] uhh wtf [14:02] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:02] a file called deadjoe just appeared [14:03] on my flash drive... [14:03] broken editor session [14:03] did you edit anything on that drive recently? [14:03] fatalnix_ (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:04] nope [14:04] just opened joe to see wtf it was, but didn't save anythign [14:05] adamk: How do you know so much about graphics? [14:05] wow, i really like fluxbox :D [14:05] uhh uh oh [14:05] i see a lot of failure to read [14:05] messages [14:05] allend: I've been using video cards on linux since probably Slackware 3.* [14:06] toastytoast (n=toast@74.75.199.104) joined ##slackware. [14:06] And I've been following the open source driver development in Xorg for nearly as long. [14:06] i resized my slackware partition a couple of hours ago [14:06] could that have broke something? [14:06] adamk: Just curious. Have been watching your answers on LQ and have been impressed. [14:06] Thanks. [14:07] evo- (n=evo@91-67-161-20-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:07] darlek (n=xfgvbsx@212.183.136.195) joined ##slackware. [14:07] ah crap, X is still doing the same thing [14:08] i think when i resized my slackware partition, i resized it too small [14:08] anyone tell me why i can type sudo bash and use root commands without a passwd ? [14:08] cause you setup sudeors wrong? [14:09] i havent set sudoers up im on 12.2 [14:09] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.231.5) joined ##slackware. [14:09] compgenius999, you were going to provide a xorg log [14:09] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:09] i'm pretty sure its because i resized it [14:09] And, please, the .xsession-errors file. [14:09] I doubt that very much. [14:09] darlek, part of the wheel group? [14:09] just normal user [14:09] i think there was only about 200mb of space [14:10] I have an Evil Kyro card around somewhere, that thing even fought with the VESA driver. and the PowerVR binary drivers were horrific. [14:10] i dont know slackytude [14:10] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-72-22.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:10] darlek, do a 'groups' [14:10] darlek, check your /etc/sudoers file [14:10] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) left irc: "leaving" [14:10] hey erik, i have a kyro card [14:10] firedix (n=firedix@host83.200-117-148.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [14:10] it works fine on slack for me [14:10] root bin daemon sys adm disk wheel floppy audio video cdrom tape plugdev [14:10] tue_ (n=cc@92.86.251.7) joined ##slackware. [14:10] and ubuntu [14:10] Yeah, and then kyro stopped providing drivers. [14:10] not exatly [14:10] darlek, eh, you are a member of root and wheel. is that the root user? [14:10] superGear, i havent edited it [14:10] i have a kyro drivers disk [14:11] for xp [14:11] no just normal user [14:11] [Kairos] (n=Kairos@unaffiliated/kairos) joined ##slackware. [14:11] tue_ (n=cc@92.86.251.7) left irc: "Leaving" [14:11] oh sorry [14:11] Ekc_ (n=Ekc@78.128.55.9) joined ##slackware. [14:12] this is pretty much a fresh install [14:12] ive never tried that command before [14:12] oh your part of the root group it appears [14:12] Ekc_ (n=Ekc@78.128.55.9) left ##slackware. [14:12] how [14:13] whoops i typed groups as root [14:13] ok, what are the locations of the X logs so i can put them on my flashdrive and pastebin em? [14:13] users floppy audio video cdrom [14:13] darlek, he, thought so [14:13] thats it [14:13] thats odd, check your sudoers [14:13] compgenius999: /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /home/$LOGNAME/.xsession-errors [14:14] if default config file slackytude i havent touched it [14:14] im on 12.2 [14:14] darlek, then you got hacked ^-^ [14:14] really [14:14] make sure you wasn't root when you did sudo : [14:15] k ill try again [14:15] theres xorg.0.log and a .log.old [14:15] ahh yes i was root lol ...whoops sorry [14:15] :( [14:15] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:15] Action: superGear slaps darlek [14:15] Action: slackytude slaps darlek [14:15] lol [14:15] superGear, ^-^ [14:15] :( [14:16] someone noobfarm that [14:16] lol [14:16] i escaped [14:16] i thought [14:16] always double check yo [14:16] Action: fire|bird sends a search team to find the escaped darlek [14:17] i will ... i normally do [14:17] ok i'm pastebinning my x logs [14:18] Kumool (n=Monevo@adsl-64-237-231-19.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] pi31415 (n=bcollver@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] the x-session errors file [14:21] is 0 bytes [14:22] http://pastebin.com/d2e0cbd12 [14:22] papajack2 (n=papajack@host1-253-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:22] thats the xorg.0.log [14:22] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc65215b1.cns.vt.edu) left irc: "Leaving." [14:23] Kumool (n=Monevo@adsl-64-237-231-19.prtc.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0"). [14:23] adamk [14:24] Would the world be a better place if nobody told off color jokes any more? [14:25] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [14:25] nah [14:25] slackytude: I agree, but I have not reasoned it out. [14:25] hey adamk u still here? [14:26] evo- (n=evo@91-67-192-11-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [14:26] adamk adamk adamk [14:26] Yeah, I'm here. [14:26] http://pastebin.com/d2e0cbd12 [14:26] And stop being a pest. [14:26] I'll get to you when I get to you. :-) [14:26] oh [14:26] i thought you left [14:26] adamk, are you there?!?! [14:27] Hi. Any news about coming Slack Book? I can't wait to buy it! [14:27] And, frankly, I don't know what is going on. Xorg appears to be starting up just fine. No crashes in your log file. [14:27] x starts fine [14:27] but when i try to log on [14:27] it flashes [14:27] darlek (n=xfgvbsx@212.183.136.195) left irc: "Leaving" [14:27] and goes back to the login screen [14:27] logon to what DE? [14:27] compgenius999: Right, which is why I suggested checking .xsession-errors, but you said that it was empty. [14:27] tried kde, fluxbox, blackbox, xfce [14:28] yeah its empty the xsession errors [14:28] compgenius999: So I'm not sure what is going on other than perhaps kdm being stupid. [14:28] does startxfce do anything? [14:28] does startxfce4 do anything? [14:28] all de's work if i start em myself from the console [14:28] but if i let it start in init mode 5 [14:28] it fails hard in every de [14:29] mode 5? [14:29] i thought it was 4 [14:29] it should be 4 [14:29] i dunno i start in console [14:29] he means 4 [14:29] yeah [14:29] whatever mode it is that starts x [14:29] grazymax (n=grazymax@host149-14-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:29] its in 4 i guess [14:30] Well, you could try creating another user and logging in as that user via kdm to see if it works. [14:30] hi all [14:30] That might narrow the problem down a bit, somehow. [14:30] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:30] And now, though, I am leaving for a bit. [14:33] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [14:33] compgenius999: Do not guess! To boot directly to a GUI interface you need set run level 4 in /etc/inittab [14:33] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:34] yeah it is 4 [14:34] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [14:34] wamty_ (n=wamty@94.187.124.169) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [14:34] adrianno (n=unknown@189.58.128.140) joined ##slackware. [14:35] adrianno (n=unknown@189.58.128.140) left irc: Client Quit [14:35] gabriel (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [14:36] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [14:36] nix_chixor (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [14:37] papajack (n=papajack@unaffiliated/papajack) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:39] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: "leaving" [14:39] evo- (n=evo@91-67-192-11-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:39] Nick change: Guest87496 -> Stx [14:40] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [14:40] i know this isn't #math, but can any of you tell me how I can solve (x-1)C(x-19)=(x-1)C(x-64)? [14:41] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [14:41] what is "C" ? [14:41] C as in Cross-multiplication? [14:41] compgenius999: Just so that I have this straight. If you boot to runlevel 3 then type startx, all window managers/desktop environments work. Yet if you set boot to run level4, then you are thrown back to the login screen. [14:41] So who created noobfarm? [14:42] superGear: Dominian [14:42] C as in combination [14:42] hai [14:42] combination being a new operator? [14:43] C(n,r) = n!/r!(n-r)! [14:43] maybe I didn't use the correct definition in english.. sorry about that [14:45] nvm [14:45] Ah, there we go. [14:46] I've never heard of such an expression [14:46] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [14:47] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:48] That's probability, if I'm remembering right. [14:48] there is a good chance of that [14:48] hai:o [14:48] jkwood, [14:49] Heya, nix_chixor. [14:49] whadup [14:49] hey, i was right [14:49] i resized my slackware partition a bit bigger [14:49] now i can log on fine [14:50] Get a larger hard drive for your... religious movies. [14:50] haha [14:50] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [14:51] Sitting at home, fighting being ill instead of going to work. You? [14:51] nepenthe (n=ville@YYDCCCLXXXVI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:52] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [14:54] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-181-128-55.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [14:54] ack, new policy came down through the chain at work: if you have signs of a cold, sent home for seven days. and we cancelled our high school intern program that was to start Monday. All over friggin pork flu. What a farce. [14:55] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-142-249.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:55] the normal seasonal flu kills far more people than stupid fricken pork flu has yet. [14:55] you kidding . that sounds great [14:55] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-152-155.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:55] id hsow up hungover acting like it was a cold [14:55] Scuzz: its not a paid 7 days [14:56] its worth it at times [14:56] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-152-155.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: SendQ exceeded [14:56] briareus, regular flu kills people who are already immunally compromised [14:56] it will soak up your PTO [14:56] ahh true [14:56] wamty_ (n=wamty@94.187.124.169) joined ##slackware. [14:56] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-152-155.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:56] swine flu kills nearly anyone who gets infected, if left untreated. [14:56] Cryp71c: regular flu kills tons of people every year. Metric tons of people [14:56] bullshit [14:56] Cryp71c, huh? bullshit [14:56] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:57] we were briefed on it just last week here in the hospital by the CDC, it does NOT kill everyone who isn't treated. total bullshit. [14:57] I work in hospital. [14:57] well at leaste now i see the concern [14:57] if it was that bad you would know alreay. no nation I know could deal with a sickeness that needs treatment or is deadly [14:57] paul424 (n=chatzill@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:57] josteint (n=josteint@84.215.36.243) joined ##slackware. [14:57] ah, I mean flu like disease like that [14:58] well, you know [14:58] Azalyn_ (n=junon@modemcable003.2-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:58] when the outbreak started in mexico it looked pretty bad, as mainy did die and many of them were between 20 - 30, and healthy [14:58] that looked alot like spanish flu [14:59] swine flu was around in the 70's as well I believe [14:59] but since it moved to the US and Europe, fataliyt went down. it is less fatal than ordinary flu strains [14:59] the mexican outbreak also occurred during a time when Mexico City had a fifth of the city's water services SHUT OFF for repairs. No sanitation = worse infection. [14:59] marto29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: "Leaving" [14:59] altho, obsese people seem to need treatment far more often, for hatever reason [15:00] obese people tend to be dirtier [15:00] i dont get slackbuild, i just built ndiswrapper, and i don't have installpkg [15:00] lol [15:00] compgenius999: look in /tmp/ [15:00] briareus, heh, still odd [15:00] compgenius999: you mean you don't have the command tool installpkg? [15:00] <_guitarman_> briareus: so do you recommend getting the shot for it (h1n1) [15:01] how can you not have installpkg? >-< [15:01] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc65203eb.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:01] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-134-171.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [15:01] I wasn't trying to slight obese people, its just a fact. More skin area means more sweat, more oils, more microorganisms, more infection. [15:01] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [15:01] compgenius999, you have installpkg but whatever user you're as probably doesn't have it in its path. try su - and then installpkg [15:01] _guitarman_: I don't do vaccines. [15:01] <_guitarman_> briareus: interesting - in canada they try and force healthcare workers to take these types of shots. [15:01] swine flu was made in a lab by space nazi's [15:01] y0 _guitarman_ [15:01] <_guitarman_> briareus: my sister refused and caugh all sorts of flack from management [15:02] <_guitarman_> hi fire|bird [15:02] _guitarman_, health care people are usually required to take shots.. [15:02] <_guitarman_> xsamurai: lol [15:02] _guitarman_: They are about to try and force me, but I won't do it. I simply don't trust the drug companies' protocols. Not anymore. [15:02] neonflux (n=mrjones@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:02] briareus: I've read many things about vaccinations, the ingredients in them is almost scary. :P [15:02] <_guitarman_> briareus: :( its really too bad that money has ruled above all - even the humanity and health [15:02] _guitarman_: especially after shit like what Baxter almost did this year, and they are a massive vaccine company [15:02] briareus, your argument doesnt hold up. [15:03] slackytude: hold up to what? [15:03] yeah briareus, i dont have installpkg [15:03] bri they can only make 3 billion swine shots this year, be part of the 3bn that wil be left out - problem solved [15:03] i have slackware 13, and i guess i dont have installpkg [15:03] briareus, fat people. if you were right, you would see the same distribution for normal flu as well [15:03] forced vaccination will be coming to america pretty soon [15:03] compgenius999: not even as root? [15:03] compgenius999, su - [15:03] then installpkg [15:03] i did sudo installpkg [15:03] still fails [15:03] .. [15:03] not sudo [15:03] sudo? [15:04] su - [15:04] compgenius999: It won't work with sudo, use su or su - [15:04] sudo doesn't work if the command isn't in your path. [15:04] ah [15:04] su worked [15:04] if you need sudo, be part of wheel group and uncomment a line in sudoers [15:04] Action: deco facepalms [15:04] not su, su - [15:04] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.4.90) joined ##slackware. [15:04] slackytude: I haven't looked at flu data for fat people. I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me, because its a fact fat people are crawling with more microorganisms than thin people [15:04] i did sudo su [15:04] haha [15:04] works fine [15:05] <_guitarman_> briareus: perhaps that gives them greater immunity [15:05] Action: _guitarman_ doesn't know shizzle about this stuff [15:05] briareus, and Im saying that this doesnt explain why obese people get hit harder by this strain and this strain alone [15:05] ... [15:05] Action: Cryp71c dies over 'sudo su' [15:05] I'd like to log in as root, as root. [15:05] briareus: if thats true , we will lose 90% of sys admins world wide [15:05] wakeup^ (n=wakeup@93.129.125.85) left ##slackware. [15:05] kthxbai [15:05] slackytude: I have no idea why [15:05] <_guitarman_> xsamurai: LOL [15:05] briareus, well, nobody has [15:05] gabriel (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:05] star trek conventions will be empty [15:06] xsamurai: are most sysadmins obese? [15:06] briareus, thats the point [15:06] briareus: the really good ones are [15:06] <_guitarman_> hahaha [15:06] lol [15:06] <_guitarman_> u dont actually believe that do u xsamurai [15:06] experience has shown the fatter the admin the more skilled , simple logic [15:06] <_guitarman_> thats funny. [15:06] I highly doubt that, but.... oh well. :P [15:06] <_guitarman_> just look at 'edgar' from 24 on tv. [15:06] no sneaker net [15:06] slackytude: maybe its a manufactured pest, or a manufactured pest that has undergone some unusual resortment [15:07] if he's skinny he doesnt sit at his desk, spending hours eating donuts and other fatty food [15:07] Hey, some of us can't help it we were handed our glorified bodies early. [15:07] briareus, well, who knows [15:07] damn...how can I get a listing of mounted devices in the slackware setup? [15:07] gabriel (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [15:07] i just used ndiswrapper on my windows drivers, and did modprobe ndiswrapper, is there any gui for wireless on fluxbox? [15:07] hey jkwood, how's it going? [15:07] Cryp71c, mount [15:07] compgenius999, wicd [15:07] (the thumbdrive I'm booting to for the actual installation was on /dev/sdb1 and now mount throws stuff about not vinding it in /etc/fstab [15:08] Other than a slight toothache and empty stomach, pretty good today. [15:08] wicd: command not found [15:08] slackytude, see above (just below you saying 'mount') [15:08] <_guitarman_> compgenius999: its in the extra folder on the dvd [15:08] dvd!? [15:08] compgenius999: you have to install it duh! [15:08] i'll just get it off slackbuilds [15:08] Oh no, it's deco [15:08] dee vee dee? [15:08] wicd is in /extra [15:08] fire|bird: \o/ [15:08] i only have disc 1 disc2 and disc 3 [15:09] a doo doo doo, a daa daa daa....a dee vee dee [15:09] is all I want to say to you [15:09] Cryp71c, I dont understand yet. you want to see all partitions? [15:09] arghhh, no results on slackbuilds [15:09] comp are your mr. slackware-is-broken from yesterday? [15:10] are you* [15:10] slackpkg install wicd [15:10] compgenius999: items included in slackware are not kept on slackbuilds [15:10] compgenius999: ftp://ftp.slackware.com [15:10] slackpkg install wicd [15:10] <_guitarman_> compgenius999: go to an ftp mirror for slackware and in the extra folder download wicd. [15:10] don't know [15:10] <_guitarman_> briareus: even better [15:10] No result on slackbuilds because it's in /extra from Slackware. [15:10] mancha, he is [15:10] slackytude, well, just trying to find what this USB drive is recognized as and where its mounted. [15:10] The install that I'm running is ON the thumb drive. [15:11] Trying to select the source for the install within setup [15:11] briareus i cant use slackpkg until i get internet working [15:11] Cryp71c, try fdisk -l and mount should show you all mounted dirs [15:11] ... [15:11] slackytude, cannot open /proc/partitions [15:11] compgenius999: have a slack dvd? you can install it from there, the extra directory. [15:11] i only have d1 d2 and d3 fire|bird [15:11] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.174.170.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:11] i'm going to download it off the ftp [15:12] eff tee pee [15:12] Cryp71c, eh? [15:12] Cryp71c, if you do mount? [15:12] fire|bird: so bird hows it going ? [15:12] which cd is wicd on then? Wouldn't he still have wicd beings he has d1 d2 and d3? [15:12] deco: going great, thanks. you? [15:12] slackytude, fdisk -l reports 'Cannot open /proc/partitions' [15:12] wii 'k dee via eff tee pee or from dee vee dee [15:12] Erm... disk 3, I think. [15:12] just get wicd, dont need entire disk [15:13] fire|bird: great, getting ready to start making my drupal theme [15:13] Cryp71c, eh, that should work if you boot from cd as well. what did you do? [15:13] slackytude, booted from thumb drive. [15:13] deco: cool [15:13] made using the same process that worked for me before =\ [15:13] wtf do i do with a txz? [15:14] compgenius999: installpkg [15:14] o. [15:14] slackytude, mount comes back with 2 entries, my (empty, formatted) hard drive and 'sysfs on /sys' [15:14] Cryp71c, sorry, no idea. you could try to mount /proc I guess. but it looks like you have different problems [15:14] Better compression, to save your tubes from cloggage. [15:14] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:15] Cryp71c, try to mount proc [15:15] arghhh, i hate vista... [15:15] Cryp71c, mount proc /proc -t proc [15:15] slackytude, proc is empty [15:15] mount -t proc /proc [15:15] Cryp71c, cos it isnt mounted [15:15] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:16] mount -t proc none /proc [15:17] alright, proc is mounted now [15:17] which of the 500 suggestions did you use? [15:17] Akuma0n3 (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:17] leobull (n=root@78.181.93.111) joined ##slackware. [15:18] Whew, got it [15:18] thanks1 [15:18] ^-^ [15:19] Nick change: papajack2 -> papajack [15:19] nepenthe (n=ville@YMYCC.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [15:19] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-72-22.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:20] hi guys how can i reconfigure ethernet settings on slack13 ? [15:20] [Kairos] (n=Kairos@unaffiliated/kairos) left irc: "Leaving" [15:20] netconfig I think [15:20] or pkgtools [15:20] netconfig [15:20] or adjust rc.inet1 [15:20] oh thx [15:20] [Kairos] (n=Kairos@unaffiliated/kairos) joined ##slackware. [15:20] or just netconfig [15:21] or sed -i 's/fdsjflksjkds' /etc/rc.d/...s [15:21] or just netconfig! [15:22] thx solved :) [15:22] use a magnet to flip th ebits on the sector of your hdd where rc,inet1 is [15:22] awww [15:22] or just netconfig [15:22] leobull (n=root@78.181.93.111) left irc: "Leaving" [15:23] crn__ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:24] should i use the same mailserver for both system logs and users email? [15:25] why not [15:25] AkumaTw0 (n=Akuma@96.21.131.161) joined ##slackware. [15:25] Levia (i=Levia@freenode/staff/levia) left ##slackware ("I'm not very good at making up quit messages."). [15:25] is your concern that they'll hack your mail daemon and edit your logs? [15:27] lol mancha :) you always are harsh, but in a funny way. [15:27] When its not directed at me, I rather enjoy it :P [15:27] Crosswing (n=petru@unaffiliated/crosswing) left irc: "Leaving" [15:28] how would i run wicd under fluxbox? [15:28] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.4.90) left irc: Client Quit [15:28] nix_chixor (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:28] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc65203eb.cns.vt.edu) left irc: "Leaving." [15:29] 9 times out of 10 i am joking Cryp71c [15:29] ah crap, i just tried to load kde, and its complains that /tmp is full [15:29] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) joined ##slackware. [15:30] mancha, I know but the way you phrase stuff is entertaining. [15:30] but my humor is dry and irc dries it out more [15:30] lol, guess I just like dry humor [15:31] cmair (n=cmair@host231-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:31] compgenius999, man you really treat your slack badly [15:32] cmair (n=cmair@host231-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [15:32] i know [15:32] until i get my internet running [15:32] slacktude, compgenius is like an avalanche of errors [15:32] slackware is going to be in very bad shape [15:32] i just installed wicd [15:32] Akuma (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:32] now its disappeared [15:32] .... [15:32] lol [15:32] by my count there's nothing that works on his box... [15:32] arch works [15:33] and so does ubuntu [15:33] oh right, windows, arch, ubuntu, and fedora work [15:33] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [15:33] not fedora [15:33] i forgot, its sackware where everythign stops working :( [15:33] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:33] not exactly [15:33] i got slackware working pretty fine [15:33] since when? [15:33] that reminds me of my cousin vinnie [15:33] just before [15:34] ah, right [15:34] "are we to blieve that the laws of physics cease to exist in your kitchen" or summit [15:34] manually mounting my flash drive using the terminal = win [15:34] mancha, nice, like it [15:34] "iwlist wlan0 scan" works fine now [15:35] thats good news. using ndiswrapper and the xp .inf i presume [15:36] cmair (n=cmair@host231-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:36] can the transmission web interface can be accessed via ssh? [15:36] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-168-94.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:36] Call to lnusertemp failed (temporary directories full?) [15:36] i get that if i try to start kde [15:37] Keiffer: no , you need a terminal client [15:37] but df says the tmep dirs have plenty of space availible [15:37] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [15:37] deco, and i use transmission-cli ? [15:37] gabriel (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:37] Keiffer: yes that will work [15:37] i'm gonna try restarting to clean out the temp dirs [15:37] transmissioncli [15:37] s0d0 (n=jdr@host81-141-48-4.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:37] (note: NSFW) http://files.myopera.com/giacmochapi911/albums/747595/linux_body_painting_kl.jpg [15:38] to liven your spirits, ye old slackware faithfuls... [15:38] lmfaoooo [15:38] mancha tux is showing his.... [15:38] yeah, i seen her before, Novell/SuSE did that [15:39] tux has got a perky bellybutton [15:39] :> [15:39] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-4.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:39] mancha, thats relevant to my interest [15:39] its an outie [15:39] k, i got kde to work [15:40] Akuma0n3 (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:40] Action: Cryp71c thinks he should point newbies to DWM for a WM and then watch them squirm. [15:40] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-168-94.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [15:41] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.1.212) joined ##slackware. [15:41] is dwm at all descended from twm? [15:42] wamty_ (n=wamty@94.187.124.169) left ##slackware. [15:42] nope, afaik [15:42] blackula (i=1000@97.81.105.128) joined ##slackware. [15:43] arghh, cant access the wicd daemon because i'm not in netdev group... [15:43] i just did usermod -g netdev me [15:43] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [15:43] DWM is living proof that linux users can (and are) better than windows users...That its possible to do more without the 'conveniences' of a cluttered UI. [15:43] my only peeve with dwm is switching desktops is alt F1 or F2 (thru F9) when alt arrow left or alt arrow right is much more ergonomic [15:44] Pig_Pen, you can change that [15:44] wtf, when i added myself to the netdev group, i got removed from the wheel group... [15:44] By editing the configuration, where you change all the colors and whatnot. [15:44] compgenius999, slackware is conspiring against you [15:44] compgenius999, 1) usermod was a bad idea 2) need to logout and login again to take effect 3) your stuff will break due to 1 [15:44] haha [15:44] yeah, copy defconfig.c as config.c and edit [15:44] man usermod [15:45] it will remove the user from *all other* groups [15:45] should have used gpasswd [15:45] well uhh, what should i sue? [15:45] use* [15:45] should have used gpasswd [15:45] or the fancy kde think [15:45] thing [15:45] kusers [15:45] or whatever [15:45] slackytude, does usermod remove you from the users group as well/ [15:46] think so yes [15:46] bahaha that's awesome. I'ma start recommending people use usermod and then reboot :P [15:46] Action: slackytude slaps Cryp71c [15:46] Action: fire|bird slaps Cryp71c [15:46] Action: Cryp71c cowers from the slapping. [15:47] i used usermod to put me in the wheel group [15:47] lol [15:47] ... [15:48] Action: fire|bird directs Cryp71c to the corner for a time out. :P [15:48] lol, i was just about to issue my first piece of advice following the aforementioned 'idea' :P [15:48] then you can change logon.defs to allow only users in the wheel group to have access to su like BSD does [15:48] sloinn (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-xotvrdmdefcciuvv) joined ##slackware. [15:49] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.68.181.242) joined ##slackware. [15:49] k i used KUser to do it [15:49] Cryp71c: If you made the recommendation to people as you mentioned, who do you think they'd come back to for help on fixing the problems that'd cause? :P [15:49] lol! mebe you and slacky :) [15:49] haha [15:49] I think my netbook is going to use dwm....its small screen makes it ideal for it. [15:49] and then slackytude and I would direct them to you. :P [15:49] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@20150135042.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:50] well, you would, Id go out and hunt him down [15:50] Action: slackytude shakes fist [15:50] lol [15:51] slackware is awesome for me now [15:51] haha you could direct them to me all you want, I won't know how to help them :P [15:51] if wicd works, i'l stop complaining lol [15:51] I'll be like, uh. idk... [15:51] compgenius999: Can we get that in writing? :P [15:51] lmfao [15:52] what about wicd isn't working? [15:52] arghhh [15:52] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [15:52] lol, I don't have wicd :P [15:52] akonadi is soo annoying... [15:52] Just went to play around with it in xcfe [15:52] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [15:52] wtf! [15:53] no networks found!? [15:53] haha [15:53] i did iwlist wlan0 scan and it finds my network fine [15:53] be sure wicd is using wlan0 [15:54] it is... [15:54] ruben23 (n=RPL@122.55.48.243) joined ##slackware. [15:54] i think ndiswrapper failed [15:54] because now it says it doesnt support scanning [15:54] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:54] i think i need to redo ndiswrapper again... [15:55] hi is compiling kernel standard or same processs on all distro of linux as with slackware.. [15:55] compgenius999: run 'ifconfig wlan0 up' and then try scanning again [15:55] i modprobed ndiswrapper again [15:55] now it works [15:56] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:56] rhys (n=rhysrhav@66.102.98.194.ip.anet.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:56] ruben23: yes, you can use the same method on all distros. some like to make kernel packages, but it's really unnecessary [15:56] rhys (n=rhysrhav@66.102.98.194.ip.anet.com) joined ##slackware. [15:56] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) joined ##slackware. [15:56] thrice`:purpose to optimize certain application [15:57] and again.... kde's dolphin file manager failed with my usb drive! [15:57] __Mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:57] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [15:57] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:59] ruben23 in theory it should not be distro specific...but many distros patch the kernel [15:59] firedix (n=firedix@host83.200-117-148.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [15:59] xsamurai1 (n=takamata@cpe-76-167-45-148.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:59] xsamurai1 (n=takamata@cpe-76-167-45-148.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:00] slackware is not 100% patch free, however [16:00] c.f. null pointer deref [16:00] That is because there would have been many complaints otherwise [16:00] ughh i hate kde [16:01] xsamurai (n=takamata@pool-71-106-233-110.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:01] alienBOB: what would happen if the kernel wasn't patched ? [16:01] We would all die [16:01] hba (n=hba@148.208.237.69) left irc: "leaving" [16:01] alienBOB: :O [16:01] there would be bugs in it... [16:01] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc65211c1.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:02] and the bugs would be what killed us. :P [16:02] fire|bird: can just eat them up :P [16:03] wicd is still failing [16:03] it thinks my wireless ssid is called [16:03] yet iwlist wlan0 scan picks it up fine [16:03] deco: Well, you can try, but I'm not gonna. [16:03] compgenius999: you have a seriously fucked up system after all your tweaking [16:03] grazymax (n=grazymax@host149-14-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [16:03] deco: new wallpaper now: http://omploader.org/vMmYwbg :) [16:03] Cod3nam3 (n=Cod3nam3@unaffiliated/cod3nam3) joined ##slackware. [16:04] wicd has had issues with "hidden" ssids [16:04] the wicd in extra/ had a bug with hidden [16:04] it is an imperfect hack [16:04] fire|bird: wow nice, i can just imagin you flying there :P [16:04] grazymax (n=grazymax@host175-192-static.12-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:04] deco: That would be awesome. [16:04] compgenius999, need to update wicd, afaik [16:04] uhh [16:04] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: [16:05] how do i connect to a wpa network manually? [16:05] deco: I wished that was a picture I took. :) [16:05] because wicd is failing so hard [16:05] fire|bird: totally :P [16:05] you use wpa_suuplicant [16:05] and i hate kde [16:05] man wpa_supplicant [16:05] fire|bird: what's the camera icon ? [16:05] i read about wpa_supplicant on the arch linux wiki [16:05] sounds like too much work [16:05] then you already know how to do it [16:06] nope [16:06] deco: That's for taking screenshots, I made it use scrot -d 5 ~/Screenshots :) [16:06] fire|bird: nice :) [16:06] Nick change: SIGBUS -> SIGSEGV [16:07] denisbr (n=denisbr@mail.blusoft.org.br) joined ##slackware. [16:07] denisbr (n=denisbr@mail.blusoft.org.br) left ##slackware. [16:09] firebird, have you used the um flags? [16:09] scrot -um [16:10] mancha: No I haven't. I've always just used scrot -d 5 path_here [16:10] hrmm, joke fail. [16:10] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) joined ##slackware. [16:10] I guess. :P [16:10] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:10] mancha: OMG, got it now. :P [16:10] heh, better late than never [16:11] indeed. I didn't even really look/pay attention to that the first time. [16:11] hahaha [16:11] sorry for the delay but there x86_64 *and* x86 now, http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/kde4-packages/4.3.1/ [16:11] Hey vbatts, how's it going? [16:11] hi [16:11] :O, x86 too. sweet. [16:12] fire|bird: good enough, just had a good dinner, and trying to get to work for the night. how about you? [16:12] someone said yesterday that evince compiles w/o deps (i presume 13 has poppler and xdg-utils in stock then) [16:13] vbatts: great, thanks. Just listening to some music. :) [16:13] mancha: yes. [16:13] but i recall adding a whole slew of gnome stuff way back when. did they drop those reqs or did i just not tweak configure enough? [16:13] mancha: yeah [16:13] mancha: probably didn't tweak it enough :) [16:13] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:13] BPk, yeah this is my sense too, pisses me off i recall spending an hour tracking down deps too! [16:14] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-137-1.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:14] marcosbarbosa (n=marcos@189.7.116.187) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:14] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:14] i still dont get this wpa_supplicant [16:14] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425734.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:15] mancha: then again, 12.2 had poppler and xdg-utils [16:15] i installed it pre-12.2 [16:15] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [16:16] does 13 come with djvulibre too then? [16:16] Ah damn. [16:16] rhys (n=rhysrhav@66.102.98.194.ip.anet.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:17] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:17] any idea what this means: lspci brings up my wireless device but its not in ifconfig -a or iwconfig. [16:17] So its recognized but there's no driver for it? [16:17] its not modprobed? what driver is it, show us lsmod [16:17] missing firmware? check dmesg [16:18] most importnatly, what chipset is this? [16:18] mancha: yes. [16:18] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:18] BP{k} ok, it makes sense that its easier to install in versoin from this century then [16:19] i just recall having to do a little work [16:19] man [16:19] #windows is a riot right now [16:19] a hour long discussion about what a Operating system is [16:20] lol [16:20] mancha: aye :) sadly anything above the version that's at SBo needs a newer version of poppler. [16:20] mancha, BCM4312 rev01 [16:20] arghhhh, i just tried setting up wpa supplicant and it fails [16:20] really badly [16:20] Cryptic, ok, 4312 might be a pain in the buttockal area, someone here had issues [16:20] Cryp71c: lol, Camarade_Tux has had issues with BCM4312 as well. [16:21] there a mainlined (kernel) driver called b43 (which supports many bc43xx chipsets) [16:21] but 4312 might not be among those. [16:21] noooo [16:21] Cryp71c: Do you have b43-fwcutter and b43-firmware from SBo? [16:21] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) joined ##slackware. [16:21] if it isn't you can fallback to ndiswrapper and iwndows drivers [16:21] fire|bird, oh god...I remember doing fwcutter with my old laptop =\ [16:21] fresh slack13 install, so no fire|bird [16:21] Cryp71c: haha, well, ya need em again. [16:21] go go go [16:22] :P [16:22] first i'd find out if b43 supports your chipset [16:22] only reason i say that is in the last few days someone with 4312 specifically pointed out that support is not all there [16:23] 14e4:4312 supported (802.11g only) BCM4312 802.11a/b/g b43 | 14e4:4312 not supported - ID is duplicated BCM4312 802.11b/g b43 [16:23] usr_local (n=usr_loca@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:23] usr_loca1 (n=usr_loca@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:23] usr_loca2 (n=usr_loca@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:23] usr_loca3 (n=usr_loca@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:23] JOIN flood from @c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net! Banning. [16:23] usr_loca4 (n=usr_loca@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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You can do that in pidgin, but the result, as above, is not good. :P [16:25] pain in the back ouie [16:26] Cryptic, seems like its a hit-or-miss then with b43, try what firebird suggested (installing the firmware) if that fails, you might need to wrap the windows driver [16:26] Camarade_Tux sure had issues with that chip, he did get it working, but then it up and quit without anything having changed. [16:27] I thought broadcom support got better [16:27] ? [16:27] i thought so too, not sure what happened with 4312, why is it a pain? [16:29] i think the introduction of lp calibration has thrown the b43 dev for a loop [16:31] CmdLnKid_ (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [16:31] m314 (n=mt@87.63.32.249) joined ##slackware. [16:31] AkumaTw0 (n=Akuma@96.21.131.161) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:31] Action: mancha remembers something lemme check... [16:32] slackytude is actually chuck norris. [16:32] rotfl [16:32] hi fire|bird [16:33] hi metrofox [16:35] wtf i told wpa_supplicant to sue wext [16:35] use* [16:35] and it worked [16:35] but konqueror says its got no internets [16:35] ndiswrapper is wext compliant [16:36] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [16:36] how do i run wpa_supplicant as a normal user? [16:37] _bruno (n=bruno@187.41.79.135) joined ##slackware. [16:38] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc65211c1.cns.vt.edu) left irc: "Leaving." [16:38] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@d24-57-84-192.home.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:38] Can you see http://70.87.222.16 in Konqueror? [16:39] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) left irc: "No Ping reply in 90 seconds." [16:39] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) joined ##slackware. [16:40] i cant even see my router page [16:40] Are you accessing it by IP or url? [16:42] IP [16:42] and url [16:42] i try ip, fail, i try url, fail still [16:42] now wpa supplicant isnt even associating [16:42] do you have a sane network config? [16:42] what>? [16:42] and are you using the chcp client or setting things manually [16:42] dhcp [16:42] i'd use dhcp [16:43] if i knew how to get this internet working... [16:43] wertik_rus (i=500@89-178-152-155.broadband.corbina.ru) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:43] um... it usually works the other way around [16:44] did you set your network, broadcast and gateway addresses? [16:44] note [16:44] nope* [16:44] ok, i would consider that the source of your issue [16:44] my router has dhcp, but wpa_supplicant won't connect in the first place [16:45] either configure your network manually or install the dhcp client [16:45] all i'm getting is getting spammed with Associated with (mac address) [16:45] how do i setup dhcp under slack? [16:45] have you tried it without using a password on your access point? [16:46] its a package [16:46] dhcpc [16:46] ughhhh [16:46] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [16:46] i have to install dhcp? [16:46] shouldnt that have came with some sort of network package when i was installing? [16:46] i would presume so [16:47] i don't know whats in by default [16:47] CmdLnKid (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:47] Nick change: CmdLnKid_ -> CmdLnKid [16:47] you can look in /var/log/packages and see if it was installed [16:47] but it doesn't seem like it [16:47] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:47] the problem is [16:47] wpa_supplicant isnt connecting [16:48] can you configure you access point not to use a pass phrase just for testing? [16:50] compgenius999: take a step back, read http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network first [16:50] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@d24-57-84-192.home.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:51] rg31 (n=deckard@62.32.134.26) left irc: "Leaving." [16:51] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) left irc: "No Ping reply in 90 seconds." 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[17:05] josteint (n=josteint@84.215.36.243) left irc: "leaving" [17:05] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-43.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:07] i use slackware 13, and start X from runlevel 3 (startx command), my user is in (power, wheel, users, cdrom and plugdev), groups how can i shutdown pc directly from kde4 whitout "su" command? thanks and apologize me for my bad english. [17:08] usr_loca2 (n=usr_loca@76.97.113.50) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [17:09] I'm not sure you can. =/ [17:09] papajack (n=papajack@unaffiliated/papajack) left irc: "Leaving" [17:09] /sbin/shutdown or /sbin/halt [17:10] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) left irc: Excess Flood [17:10] erik, for /sbin/shutdown must be root [17:11] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) joined ##slackware. [17:11] Check this out http://kshutdown.sourceforge.net/ [17:11] jkwood, with 12.2 was possible [17:11] Nick change: SIGSEGV -> SIGBUS [17:12] Using KDE 4 on 12.2? [17:13] jkwood, sorry was possible with kde 3 [17:13] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:13] couldn't you add the user to the sudoers list, add shutdown to the non-password sudo operations ? and then add /sbin to the user's path? [17:14] jalonso (n=jalonso@c-98-212-124-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:14] I cant log into my slackware system. I get a message saying that it is unable to determine my tty name, any ideas? [17:15] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) left irc: "No Ping reply in 90 seconds." [17:15] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) joined ##slackware. [17:16] don't understand if start from runlevel 4 the user can shutdown pc from kde4, if start from runlevel 3 no [17:16] Cryp71c, thats what Im doing [17:16] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-41.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:17] altho I have a bin dir in my home, which is in my path. there are my scripts, one does sudo /sbin/poweroff [17:17] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) left irc: Client Quit [17:17] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@d24-57-84-192.home.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:17] well in 4 you should be in 'power' which will let you do it, that's the path I was thinking along anyway [17:17] mack, are you part of the power group? [17:17] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) joined ##slackware. [17:17] slackytude, yes [17:18] in 3 I'm allowed to shutdown, halt, and restart.. being in the power group [17:18] should work then, I didnt need to alter anything to get shutdown from kde [17:18] maybe acpi problem? [17:19] slackytude, you use your scritp... don't poweroff from kde button [17:19] mack, I use the script on my 12.1 laptop [17:19] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@d24-57-84-192.home.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:20] mack, on my slack13 machine, I use kde4 in level3 [17:20] mack : chmod +s /sbin/halt [17:20] Action: slackytude goes to sleep [17:21] Scuzz, is a solution... [17:21] jhw (n=jhw@p548F4252.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:21] that wont work... [17:21] but anyway [17:21] it does work [17:21] i jsut tried it [17:21] you have to type /sbin/halt to halt though [17:21] you set the sticky bit? [17:22] ah nvm, you are correct [17:22] i jsut halted my system with it [17:22] can anyone show me how to log back into my Slackware system? it cant determine my tty name... Please?? [17:22] as a user [17:22] too tired [17:22] gn slackers [17:22] gn [17:22] night slackytude [17:23] night slackytude [17:23] hey fire|bird [17:23] hey Reticenti [17:23] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) left irc: "No Ping reply in 90 seconds." [17:24] how's it going? [17:24] great, just installed vbatt's kde 4.3.1 packages on the desktop and gonna go login to that now. :) [17:24] you? [17:24] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) joined ##slackware. [17:25] at school [17:25] ssh'ing into my home box so i can irc [17:25] lol [17:25] gonna work on some programming [17:25] I don't mean to sound like I'm trolling, but can anyone at least direct me somewhere where I can find out what to do about my tty problem? looked all over the we and nothing seems to work [17:26] we = *web [17:26] what's your tty problem? [17:26] john_dee (n=id@93-81-119-114.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:26] Reticenti: I can't log into slackware, whenever I type in my login name it says that it is unable to determine my tty name [17:27] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --Winston Churchill"). [17:27] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@adsl-249-201-30.bna.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:27] slack13? [17:27] Reticenti: yes 13.0 [17:27] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [17:27] _bruno (n=bruno@187.41.79.135) left irc: [17:27] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:28] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) left irc: Client Quit [17:28] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) joined ##slackware. [17:29] were you messing around with the set ttys? [17:29] i vaguely remember reading something where slack makes 5 or so ttys to begin with, and that you can edit that somewhere [17:29] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@173-18-63-179.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [17:30] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:30] fire|bird: make up your mind alread :P [17:30] already* [17:30] deco: haha, Well, I installed vbatts kde packages, I have to check it out again now. :) [17:30] get in or get out, but you standing at the door is just letting all the cold air out [17:30] hahahaha [17:30] Reticenti: *sigh* here's what happened: I downloaded this program called BitchX and when I untarred it it created a file named BitchX and I typed 'cat BitchX', after that the screen kept scrolling with a bunch of letters and then I thought simply rebooting it would fix it, but not at all, so here I am *embarrased* [17:31] and by cold air, i mean sunlight :| [17:31] Reticenti: The sun isn't shining here today. :P [17:31] jalonso: you can just hit ctrl-c to stop commands [17:31] thanks, bye [17:31] mack (n=mack@host199-24-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Leaving" [17:31] but that is a little weird [17:32] Reticenti: I should also mentioned that I had been ssh'd into my server [17:32] fire|bird: are they 4.31 ? [17:32] 4.3.1* [17:32] Reticenti: AND...er......I did this as root :( [17:32] deco: yup [17:32] notKlaatu (i=1001@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [17:32] fire|bird: I'm now loyal to xfce :P [17:32] Reticenti: and I did hit ctrl+c but it still messed it up [17:32] linXea (n=e@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:32] linXea (n=e@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:33] can awn run under xfce? [17:33] yeah [17:33] woo [17:33] i think i might install that tonight then [17:33] argh, I've messed my font colors up, I can't see what I'm typing. :P [17:33] oh no fire|bird is blind! [17:33] fire|bird: what irc client do you use? [17:33] I'm a bird, I use pidgin. :P [17:33] :| [17:34] fire|bird: hahahhaha [17:34] Reticenti: Think that one through next time. :P [17:34] ? [17:34] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:34] How the heck do I fix this now. :P [17:34] fire|bird: ca, KAH! [17:35] stupid white font color. [17:35] w/pidgin poop [17:35] jalonso: so you cant login as anyone? [17:35] fire|bird: you can only see our font ? [17:35] Reticenti: nope [17:35] note to self: white font doesn't work on white background. :/ [17:35] deco: yeah [17:35] LMAO!!! [17:35] fire|bird: damn i had so many things to say [17:35] haha [17:35] oh, there we go [17:35] phew [17:35] hjaha [17:36] Colorize and Conversation Colors [17:36] disabled those and I'm good. [17:36] howdy BP{k} [17:36] fire|bird: your solution s called .. irssi ;) [17:36] Reticenti: is it possible for me to mount my directories using a rescue CD, that is what I'm using right now and I'm trying to figure out how to do it [17:36] howdy :) [17:36] haha, I know, I know. :P [17:36] BP{k}: irssi with white on white? ;) [17:36] lol [17:36] jalonso: yeah, you can do that, but i'm trying to find what files to edit to get tty's setup [17:36] Reticenti: oh ok [17:37] jalonso: something like this should work "mount /dev/hda1" [17:37] agentc0re: it's still better than pidgin! ;) [17:37] Reticenti: lemme try [17:37] jalonso: you just need to know what the hdd is caleld [17:37] called* [17:37] Reticenti: its actually sdb1 [17:37] ok [17:37] then put in that isntead of hda1 [17:38] Oh great, If I switched back to xfce now, pidgin would be messed up again because in xfce, it's nodoka midnight, thus pidgin is dark grey. :P [17:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zEH5GxPNO8&feature=sub lol [17:39] I can't win with pidgin apparently. :P [17:39] Reticenti: it says it can't find sda2 in the fstab or mtab [17:39] fire|bird: why are you using pidgin? [17:39] BP{k}: pfft, at least it's an easier screw up.... err i mean change. :P [17:39] Reticenti: No particular reason. :) [17:39] fire|bird: why not irssi? [17:39] I use irssi a lot, just not today. :) [17:39] lol [17:39] I change things around a lot. :/ [17:40] Ask almost anybody here and they'll concur. :) [17:40] fire|bird: hahahaha you make me laugh dude. you should just make different users for all the different WM's you want to use. [17:40] [ in bed ] [17:40] [ alone ] [17:40] agentc0re: oh man, don't give me any ideas. :P [17:40] fire|bird: is a non conformist :) [17:40] haha [17:40] [ in bed ] [17:40] deco: that may be a good thing. [17:40] he conforms... just to everything! [17:40] fire|bird: yes:) [17:40] BP{k}'s keyboard is stuck on repeat. [17:40] he's an ultra conformist! [17:41] whoops, it's fixed [17:41] wait.. what? Whoops, it's fixed? you didn't mean to fix it? [17:41] lol [17:41] hahahahaha [17:41] i bet fire|bird changes wallpapers everyday :P [17:41] deco: he has an app for that. [17:41] deco: I used that one sunset one for a week, I think that was a record. [17:41] iFIRE|BIRD [17:42] OHGODWHY? [17:42] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) left irc: "No Ping reply in 90 seconds." [17:42] :P [17:42] lol [17:42] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) joined ##slackware. [17:42] is there a way to get compiz like stuff in xfce? (like the cube) [17:42] fire|bird: what about women ? you change them every day ? :P [17:42] Reticenti: compiz [17:43] fire|bird: but wouldnt that replace xfwm? [17:43] deco: Wait, you're suppose to pick one? Oh crap. [17:43] Reticenti: yeah [17:43] lol [17:43] Reticenti: compiz is wm [17:43] yeah [17:43] Reticenti: it won't replace xfce , just the wm [17:43] Reticenti: Without replacing xfwm, I don't think you can. xfce has it's own compositing, but just transparency and shadows basically. [17:44] deco: It replaces xfwm though. [17:44] so i could run compiz, but keep all the other xfce stuff like panel and shit? [17:44] jalonso look here http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html [17:44] Reticenti: yeah, that you could. [17:44] fire|bird: that's what i said , damn it you're pissing me off lol :P [17:44] would it be practical though? [17:44] or should i just migrate to kde lol [17:44] Reticenti: I run it like that, it works well. [17:44] hmm [17:44] deco: Am I pissing you off-fa-fa [17:44] how do i run compiz instead of xfwm then? [17:45] fire|bird: go compile kde or something lol :P [17:45] Reticenti: Well, compiz is included in slackware, but I'd recommend getting at least fusion-icon from SBo to easily switch it off and on. It's in the 12.2 SBo repo, but works on 13. [17:45] Ya or you might wind up with herpessyphilisgonorrheaids [17:45] deco: I don't have to anymore, for now, 4.3.1 is the latest stable. :/ [17:46] blackula: thanks, I'll take a look at it [17:46] agentc0re: Just reading that is painful. [17:46] np [17:46] jalonso (n=jalonso@c-98-212-124-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [17:47] kejen (n=brian@67.202.107.232) joined ##slackware. [17:47] fire|bird: so i also need to get all the other things for the build order from sbo? http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/fusion-icon/ [17:47] a1g_ (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [17:47] Reticenti: you can, yeah, it'll add more effects to use, etc. [17:47] ah, ok [17:48] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [17:48] do you think compiz will run fairly well on an AMD 3200, 1gb, and 128 shared gfx? [17:48] yeah [17:48] mmk [17:49] TIME TO START SBOPKG MANIA [17:50] Reticenti: what gfx? [17:50] ananke: built in mobo, nvidia 6160 iirc [17:50] ohh, if it's nvidia you'll be ok [17:50] i have it sharing 128mb of my ram [17:51] \o/, plasma crashes and widgets don't work. :/ [17:51] in sbopkg, if i build a queu, will it build it in that order? [17:51] Reticenti: It will build in the order you put things into the queue. [17:52] so the first thing i do will be built first? [17:52] yes [17:52] woo [17:52] Hmm, it's just the panel that widgets won't work with, desktop widgets are fine. [17:52] fire|bird: lol. thats what you get when you see multiple women and you play the birds and the bee's. [17:53] agentc0re: Dang, I knew it'd come back to haunt me some day. [17:53] fire|bird: for all the fusion-icon dependencies, will the 12.2 version work for 13? [17:54] Reticenti: It works here, yes. [17:54] alright [17:54] thans [17:54] thanks* [17:54] yw [17:54] notKlaatu (i=1001@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:54] agentc0re: phew, I thought the dictionary widget was missing, I need that to look up what Quiznos says. :P [17:56] lol [17:56] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-72-22.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:57] the word of the day is: assiduous: constant in application or attention. [17:57] lol [17:57] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [17:57] alright, i got sbo doing all my dirty work [17:57] oh sbo how i love thee [17:57] sbopkg * [17:58] and i'm doing this all over ssh =D [17:58] Reticenti: woooo big boy :D [17:59] Well, this is plain, but: http://imagebin.org/65128 [17:59] i still cant get my wireless to work with wpa_supplicant [17:59] fire|bird: that your house ? [17:59] deco: nah, just a hangout. :P (seriously though, no, just a photo from interfacelift) [18:00] fire|bird: :P [18:00] agentc0re: You use xfce, right? Where's your desktop? :P [18:00] i wonder if there is a script to grab a random pic from itnerfacelfit and set it as your desktop every so often [18:00] What's that hack that allows a 32bit system to use more than 3gig again? [18:01] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.159.200) left irc: "Segmentation Fault" [18:01] Reticenti: I tried downloading all the bg's at interfacelift and got banned for a couple days for server abuse. :/ [18:01] webbi (n=webi@190.247.201.22) joined ##slackware. [18:01] hello [18:01] i have slack12, im trying to mount a ntfs partition, which mounts fine, but i cant create or copy any file into it... [18:01] fire|bird: lol who knew you would turn out to be an abuser :P [18:01] fire|bird: haha, you're a bad boy [18:01] deco: hahahaha [18:01] Wescotte: PAE [18:02] i installed ntfsprog package but no luck, should i need to install ntfs-3g ? [18:02] fire|bird: there's probably a torrent floating around that ahs all of them [18:02] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:02] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:03] Anyone here running Slackware64-13? [18:03] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [18:03] yes i do e5oteric [18:04] fire|bird: on my screen. [18:04] agentc0re: lol, I'd have never guessed. :) [18:04] __Mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:04] going to reinstall it now cause i borked it [18:04] anybody could help me please? i never got a reply here [18:04] Reticenti: yeah, could be. :) [18:05] fire|bird: the ones on thepiratebay were all dead [18:05] sloinn (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-xotvrdmdefcciuvv) got netsplit. [18:05] fire|bird: What do you mean by "wheres my desktop"? [18:05] Braintix, have you had any problems?' [18:05] no [18:05] agentc0re: I just mean, where's the screenshot of yours. :P [18:05] ^ with the 64bit side of things? or building slackbuilds for 64 bit, etc? [18:05] webbi: what's your prob? [18:05] not before now and this was a fail 40 [18:06] fire|bird: bah, it just looks like a xfce desktop. nothing special. [18:06] slackbuilds you have to modifie the slackbuild script [18:06] right [18:06] buts that easy [18:06] agentc0re: lol, alright. :) [18:07] i just borked mine cause i didnt see in plackpkg that there is a slackware64 repo [18:07] Action: deco needs to personalize his xfce [18:07] so i did a upgrade [18:07] :D [18:07] deco: yes, you do. :) [18:07] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [18:08] agentc0re: i have slack12 and i need to mount a ntfs partition in rw mode... but i cant write to it, so i dont know if i need to install ntfs-3g or what [18:08] Action: compgenius999 still can't get his wireless working [18:08] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [18:09] Braintix (n=bck@unaffiliated/braintix) left irc: "Leaving" [18:09] deco: i know what you mean, let me see your desktop [18:09] Reticenti: no , you sound like a creep [18:10] :( [18:10] webbi: yes, you do. [18:10] Reticenti: lol :P , nah it's plain xfce right now [18:10] ah [18:11] sloinn (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-xotvrdmdefcciuvv) got lost in the net-split. [18:11] deco: See, if you switched things up as much as me, your desktop would be interesting. ;) [18:11] i wish dwarf fortress was open so i could get it for linux [18:11] fire|bird: peer pressure doesn't work [18:12] Reticenti: we already have gnome that's enough [18:12] :| [18:12] dwarf fortress is an epic ascii game [18:12] have you ever played it? [18:12] Reticenti: i don't play games [18:13] WHOA [18:13] there is a linux version [18:13] Reticenti: and I'm 21 [18:13] Action: Reticenti is happy [18:13] me too [18:13] Reticenti: \o/ [18:13] my b-day was yesterday [18:13] Reticenti: well happy bday anyway :P [18:13] thanks :) [18:13] http://imagebin.org/65131 DANGER NSFW (sortof) [18:13] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) joined ##slackware. [18:13] happy belated b-day [18:13] Reticenti: cool. Happy Belated Birthday. [18:13] the last game I've played was supertux [18:14] lol [18:14] Pig_Pen: hahahaha [18:14] damn that chubby penguin can't jump [18:14] Pig_Pen: No wonder they both have huge smiles on their faces. :P [18:14] yeah [18:14] cmair (n=cmair@host231-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:14] i am very happy [18:15] dwarf fortress runs perfectly under wine [18:15] it is such an epic game [18:15] for me to receive firewall logs would i have to make a script and run it in cron to parce my logs and mail it or is there an easier way ? [18:15] both wpa_supplicant, and following iwconfig instructions here: http://www.slackbook.org/html/network-configuration-wireless.html [18:15] failed [18:15] Reticenti: hmmm the last real game i enjoyed was warcraft 3 and age of empires [18:15] webbi (n=webi@190.247.201.22) left ##slackware ("error: bedtime"). [18:16] i was addicted to age of empires [18:16] and cocaine [18:16] deco: DF is a ascii game, kinda like rouge, but you build up a giant fortress [18:16] it's so fun [18:16] heh [18:16] and you get attacked by random shit [18:17] it's one of the funniest games i've ever aplyed because of the situations you can do [18:17] you want to flood the entire world with magma? go ahead [18:17] Scuzz: the spanish campaign was my fav :P [18:17] haha, the laptop screensaver just kicked in and this time it's pacman. :/ [18:17] the first computer i ever used i had to start age of empires on it from dos prompt [18:17] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [18:18] you want to make a retracable brige as the only way to get into your underground lair, and have it over a pit with spikes in the bottom? go ahead [18:18] retractable* [18:18] Scuzz: hmmm how old are you ? [18:18] 34 [18:18] Scuzz: k [18:18] lol [18:18] :P [18:19] is there away i can get notified from ssh logins ? [18:19] as they happen or do i jsut setup a cron to check every so often ? [18:20] sayed (n=sayed@129-97-220-146.uwaterloo.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:21] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:21] Just double checking, do I need a boot, root and swap partitions for a bare-minimum install of slackware? [18:21] you could just check /var/log/messages [18:21] nope [18:21] only a / partition is needed [18:21] just root and swap right? [18:22] yep [18:22] i forgot to make a boot partition [18:22] lol [18:22] Skaperen, yeah im jsut trying to find a away to get notifed once an address is blocked [18:22] sayed: it's highly reccomended you do a /home partition tho [18:22] CmdLnKid (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: "System Audit in place." [18:22] i mean Skywise [18:22] damn tab key [18:23] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) joined ##slackware. [18:23] welp, cya alter [18:23] later* [18:23] SQlvpapir (n=teis@188.177.95.62) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [18:23] i use a script that checks for security messages and then emails me the message [18:23] is it instant [18:23] or a cron job [18:23] i guess it dont matter [18:24] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net expired. [18:24] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [18:24] Scuzz: what problem are you really trying to solve? [18:24] no, it a cron job i think [18:24] anahel, im sjut trying to notify myself from ssh logins [18:24] i jsut want to know when they are happening [18:25] i went away for two days and someone was going nuts on my box [18:25] Scuzz: what for? [18:25] trying to login in as root [18:25] Scuzz: welcome to the internet. it happens every day. automated bots try to brute force ssh logins [18:25] yeah [18:25] i locked it down prety tight [18:25] it wasn't 'someone', and there will be more. so again, what problem are you trying to solve? what will you do when you get notified? [18:25] now im jsut trying to learn how to send email logs [18:26] Scuzz: change the ssh port. best way of combating it. [18:26] i jsut want to know ananke [18:26] there are a few 'best' ways [18:26] i got it blocking the ip after 1 bad login [18:26] Scuzz: try 'logwatch' software. although you'll get annoyed with such reports soon [18:26] for 5 minutes [18:26] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:27] ananke, i never tought of that actually [18:27] it would be annoying [18:27] yeah [18:27] hehehe... [18:27] i use logcheck [18:27] Scuzz: are you trying to spam your self ? [18:27] :D [18:27] hahah [18:28] i only allow ssh from specific ips [18:28] i never know where im gonna be though [18:28] i work all over the place [18:28] out of town [18:28] if you have to leave one open, use a non standard port [18:28] well the way i have it locked down i guessis decent enough [18:29] i like to deny everything first and the only allow the min [18:29] if a bot is trying to bruteforce [18:29] it will keep resetting to 5 minutes untill they stop trying to connect [18:29] howie (n=howie@71-95-220-206.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:30] oi [18:30] how do i show a list of channels? [18:30] hcfd (n=fed@host86-131-179-38.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [18:30] Connection failed: Could not contact the wireless access point [18:30] they can wait [18:30] lol [18:30] the bots gots plenty of time to waist [18:30] ughhhhhhhh, wicd is failing so hard [18:30] er waste [18:30] yeah [18:30] dogsoul (n=doggy@190.166.189.150) joined ##slackware. [18:30] but each conenction they make adds the 5 minutes again [18:30] if its bruteforcing [18:31] i dont think they will wait a 5 minutes before trying again [18:31] howie (n=howie@71-95-220-206.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com) left ##slackware. [18:31] its easy to have sshd listen on an additional port [18:32] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) left irc: "No Ping reply in 90 seconds." [18:32] yeah but thats kinda hiding the problem [18:32] nope [18:32] i was looking for more of a fix [18:32] you have no control over the bots [18:32] all you can do is go where they're not looking [18:32] Hermann (n=Hermannn@81.170.156.174) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [18:32] Nick change: a1g_ -> a1g [18:33] dogsoul (n=doggy@190.166.189.150) left irc: Client Quit [18:33] a bot will continue to try and brute force though correct ? [18:33] afyer one bad login attempt the ip is blocked [18:33] for 5 minutes [18:33] dogsoul (i=doggy@root.slackbox.org) joined ##slackware. [18:33] when the port is blocked it will assume the host doesn't exist and go to the next ip [18:34] everytime they try and login within that time the 5 minutes starts all over again [18:34] untill they stop [18:34] thats the only port i have open [18:34] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) joined ##slackware. [18:34] its prolly one of your friends anyway [18:34] lol [18:34] no random [18:34] from all over [18:35] been this way for years [18:35] its not anything i have an issue with, i just automatically block port scans [18:36] sayed (n=sayed@129-97-220-146.uwaterloo.ca) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:36] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [18:38] dragon (n=aaditya@unaffiliated/dragon) joined ##slackware. [18:39] eido (n=eido___@ool-457e25d7.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] what'd be a reasonable Desktop manager to run exactly one particular application, with no panels or window decorations? [18:41] alphad64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) left irc: "No Ping reply in 90 seconds." [18:43] dragon: openbox ? [18:43] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] blackbox or fluxbox [18:43] sorry I have some really basic questions if someone has the time. reading the slackware/book its stated that rc.modules can load the modules from /lib/modules/kernel ver#. but rc.modules seems to be entirely commented out yet i have a several modules running. are they loaded at boot from else where? [18:43] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-68-216.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: "Grab life by the BitchX" [18:44] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:45] deco: looks good, but still would have to remove the window decorations. I was thinking of something like xmonad, but looking for more options. [18:45] dragon: awesome wm [18:45] dragon: hmmmm it does have a panal on top but no decorations.. [18:45] nepenthe (n=ville@YMYCC.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:46] dragon: you can disable the panel on fluxbox and window decorations through it's config files [18:46] deco: hmm that sounds usable [18:49] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --Winston Churchill"). [18:49] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:51] MJSthat (n=root@adsl-68-89-238-19.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:51] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [18:51] t0 (n=t0@brln-4dbab966.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [18:51] deco: Hmm, back to xfce. :P [18:51] deco: thanks! [18:51] dragon (n=aaditya@unaffiliated/dragon) left ##slackware. [18:52] m314 (n=mt@87.63.32.249) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [18:52] Action: fire|bird waits for deco to laugh. :P [18:53] Nick change: Kamus_Away[xi] -> Kamus_H_Zwisch [18:53] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-98-249-3-190.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] hey guys [18:54] Hi [18:55] Action: g4tt0  [18:56] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [18:56] toytoy (n=dindin@112.202.13.36) joined ##slackware. [18:57] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-68-216.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:57] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [18:58] deco: np :) [18:59] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: "hard reboot" [18:59] fire|bird: haha that's right :P [18:59] blackula (i=1000@97.81.105.128) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:00] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [19:00] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:01] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [19:01] and i STILL cant get my wireless working [19:01] fire|bird: xfce feels much faster after using kde for a week :P [19:02] i'm beginning to think slackware is against me [19:02] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:02] compgenius999: you're not worthy of using slackware i would think [19:02] Just contact the manufacturer. [19:02] lol [19:02] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [19:02] of what? [19:02] Cod3nam3 (n=Cod3nam3@unaffiliated/cod3nam3) left irc: "bye." [19:02] the card? [19:03] inventel no longer exists [19:03] their site died and all the phone numbers dont work [19:03] No more support. End of line. [19:03] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: "out" [19:03] works fine in latest version of ubuntu [19:03] but ubuntu is too much for a weak p4 [19:04] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:04] compgenius999: use xfce [19:04] use an older kernel or something... [19:05] i like slackware, the only bad thing about it so far is that my wireless fails on it [19:05] like on most distros [19:05] I don't really understand how one distro can be "too much" if they all use the same kernel. [19:05] just prevent some stuff from starting. I'm sure most of it is not necessary. [19:05] velusip: DE play a role too [19:06] plays* [19:06] That would a good one to prevent from starting up. [19:07] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [19:07] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) joined ##slackware. [19:08] alphad-64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) joined ##slackware. [19:08] t0 (n=t0@brln-4dbab966.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:08] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-104-216.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:08] t0 (n=t0@brln-4dbab966.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [19:08] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:09] velusip, different distros also have different drivers [19:10] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@c-98-249-3-190.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [19:11] I've noticed that... I can't even run many distros because my monitor doesn't support so many graphics modes. :P [19:11] VGA is the best option. :P [19:11] 640:480 or something [19:12] credo (n=cherchez@80.233.147.119) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:12] lol. [19:12] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:12] how do i get an up to date version of wicd? [19:12] engrxyz (n=zcvzxcvx@host81-143-50-89.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:12] the one in slackware-13 in extras is buggy [19:13] t0 (n=t0@brln-4dbab966.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:13] t0 (n=t0@brln-4dbab966.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [19:14] j0k3r_ (n=rddalcen@unaffiliated/j0k3r) left irc: "cd ~/" [19:14] anyone? [19:16] t0 (n=t0@brln-4dbab966.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:16] t0 (n=t0@brln-4dbab966.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ ? [19:16] compgenius999: http://tinyurl.com/y9aults there [19:16] i tried wicd.sourceforge [19:16] it told me to look in /extras too... [19:17] the /extras one has the hidden network bug though [19:17] so i cant connect to my wireless [19:17] Xgates (n=Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [19:17] lmfao agentc0re [19:18] the wireless card was not out of an old computer tho [19:18] deco: Yeah, MUCH faster. :) [19:18] say I'm doing a net install of Slack, what would be a good server url in the usa? [19:19] Nick change: t0 -> type0 [19:19] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.124.110) joined ##slackware. [19:19] Xgates: slackware.osuosl.org is always a good one. http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/ or http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-13.0 (for 64bit) [19:20] y0 LnxSlck [19:20] hello fire|bird [19:20] hello happy slackers [19:20] Xgates: utah.edu is a good one. i always get 1Mb down from them. [19:20] LnxSlck: How's it going? [19:20] i still needz an updated wicd :( [19:20] however i'm also in utah. :P [19:20] compgenius999: /join #wicd [19:21] compgenius999: grab a source tarball? [19:21] http://sourceforge.net/projects/wicd/files/ [19:21] I recently switched to tds, it's a lot faster for me because it is in WI and I'm in MN. :P [19:21] theres a source tarball? [19:21] fire|bird, nice and you? [19:21] thanks guys [19:21] i use utah also decent speeds [19:21] LnxSlck: excellent, thanks. I've been using chromium for browsing the past couple days now. :P [19:21] type0 (n=t0@brln-4dbab966.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:21] fire|bird: with that URL for 64 what would I put for the slackware source direc? [19:22] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A774EE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:22] type0 (n=t0@brln-4dbab966.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [19:22] Xgates: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-13.0/source [19:22] fire|bird, you use ht chromium engine with some browser right? [19:23] ok thanks [19:23] Xgates: whoops, http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-13.0/source/ sorry [19:23] whoa, I had that right. ARGH [19:23] :P [19:23] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-43.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:23] LnxSlck: no, I was using webkit with midori, but not the chromium engine. [19:23] Xgates: you're welcome. :) [19:24] KDE 4.3.1 is nice [19:24] fire|bird, did google released a full chrome browser for linux ? [19:24] tho i still can't get kdepim to compile :| [19:24] curtisk (n=bck@unaffiliated/braintix) joined ##slackware. [19:24] LnxSlck: Not really full yet, no, but it's good. for Linux, it's chromium [19:24] superGear: vbatts has 32bit packages now for 4.3.1 [19:24] well the installer is saying ---> it needs to know the name of the directory on the server that contains the subdirecs and it's saying if your A series is found at /slack/slackware64/a then you'd /slack/slackware 64 [19:25] like it's just asking for a partial /path? [19:25] yeah figures [19:25] fire|bird, never undestood the diference between chrome and chromium [19:25] LnxSlck: Just a name difference, one is Linux, one is Windows afaik [19:25] LnxSlck, different name that be about it [19:25] chrome aint opensource [19:25] chromium is [19:25] thats the difference [19:25] fire|bird, superGear : ok. i thought chromium was like webkit or so [19:25] fire|bird: I'm not asking about the source code... I think that path you gave me is for the source code... [19:26] it is webkit [19:26] so is Chrome [19:26] Xgates: You'd just use http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-13.0/ [19:26] but that's the URL, I now need the source /path where the pkgs are at to dl... [19:26] fire|bird, how did you built chromium? [19:26] with a hammer [19:27] Xgates: oh, whoops, http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-13.0/slackware64 [19:27] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] fire|bird should share his t?z's [19:27] jinjii (n=alpha@93-45-136-30.ip102.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [19:27] superGear, lol [19:27] curtisk (n=bck@unaffiliated/braintix) left irc: Client Quit [19:27] fire|bird: ok I'll see if it takes that, cause I think the installer just wants an URL for the first part then just the /path, not as a URL anymore... [19:28] superGear, maybe fire|bird should put them on some ftp [19:28] ftp.fireslack.com ! [19:28] LnxSlck: It's just a binary, so I run it from the directory I extracted it to. Aside from that, you need to build mozilla-nss (alienBOB has that) and then make some symlinks, and then get chromium and use it. [19:28] gnubien (n=e@16.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:29] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [19:29] LnxSlck: The symlinks can be found here. http://ifeelalittlestupid.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/using-the-chromium-linux-beta-build-on-slackware-12-2/ You ONLY need to use the symlinks from that site, but install mozilla-nss first, otherwise those symlinks won't work because the files won't be there. [19:29] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:30] fire|bird: /slackware64 is all I needed to put for the second part. So 1st part URL, 2nd part /path... :) [19:30] thanks [19:30] fire|bird, i think i already have mozilla-nss.. ill check [19:30] Xgates: you're welcome. [19:30] LnxSlck: ok. :) [19:30] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:30] now I see all the packs listed like as if off the cd... :) [19:30] i'm beginning to hate vista even more now [19:31] Nick change: scorchsaber_ -> scorchsaber [19:31] Xgates: awesome. :) [19:32] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:32] I' [19:33] I'm an older slacker going back, well not so far, but back to Slack7 or 8 I forget, I loved how Slack was just on one cd, now a freaking 3GB DVD, ahhhh it's terrible to think you can get Ubuntu on an iso smaller then Slack, LOL, that's why I'm doing a net install with the mini iso :) [19:33] fire|bird, i was most interested in kde 4.3.. but ill wait [19:33] alphad-64 (n=quassel@41.189.33.118) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:34] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [19:34] 4.8 + [19:34] Xgates: well the dvd contains everything and 3 CD's are still smaller than 1 dvd ;) [19:34] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:36] well still to damm big for me, I don't like Gnome or Kde [19:36] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:36] so two cd's (since KDE is on it's own CD) [19:36] sheesh somethings never change with Pat, the installer looks like it still did 10 years ago [19:36] LOL [19:37] boy going through the Expert setup for the packs feels just like yesterday 9 years ago, LOL... [19:37] Xgates: Congratulations, by doing a net install, you're doing pretty much the exact same thing Ubuntu does. [19:37] why does an installer need to load Xorg, just to copy packages? [19:37] no the Ubuntu net install only installs a base pkg, you can't get X or other apps, desktops, wm, etc... [19:37] it sucks... [19:38] this is much better... [19:38] fire|bird, such a pita to build chromium... i'll wait for a proper pkg... ff does the trick for now [19:38] fabi4n (n=fabi4n@222.124.198.187) joined ##slackware. [19:38] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:38] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] hmm ... [19:39] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [19:39] i smell a whiney ass [19:39] hmm .... [19:39] mt-st is if you have like a tape drive on a server for backups? [19:40] ahhh tape drive management [19:40] don't need that... [19:41] i hear it comes with cheese too [19:41] and WE don't need to hear you discussing all of your current events, to yourself. [19:41] curtisk (n=bck@unaffiliated/braintix) joined ##slackware. [19:41] he has mpd [19:42] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [19:42] thrice`: how long you been in #slackware, how many years? [19:42] a long time [19:42] many [19:42] maybe 6? [19:42] yeah and you don't remember me? [19:43] LOL [19:43] sad, I know [19:43] I remember you [19:43] thrice`: slackcare.com ring a bell? [19:43] In the mountains? [19:43] oh yeah [19:43] i remember that site [19:44] wasnt that one that we uh..suggested against? o.O [19:44] Yeah, I was like the only guy that competed against Linuxpackages to FINALLY bring to the Slack community some quality packs... [19:44] we have sbo now [19:44] Sheesh I can' [19:44] :D [19:45] I can't believe he'd forget me, back in the day when Alphageek hung here... :) [19:45] Action: ngworekara sheeshes first and asks questions later [19:45] when it was Openprojects, before Freenode, I mean I only go back like 10 years being around here [19:45] LOL [19:45] mercfate (i=1000@201-75-119-145-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:45] hi [19:45] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:45] hello :> [19:45] anyone can help me with bind? [19:46] anyone speak portuguese? [19:46] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [19:46] sure...if you ask the question [19:46] I remember you to straterra :) [19:46] too... [19:46] everyone remembers me [19:46] except me [19:46] well [19:46] how can anyone forget a nick like mine, LOL... [19:46] nositelicense (n=nositeli@cpe-67-49-45-203.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:46] im lost with bind config [19:46] hm, my locale are correct, screen configuration too, and it runs under an urxvt, so why the hell utf8 is messing up ? [19:46] i need to create a TXT in [19:47] but i dont know how i can do this [19:47] wiiiiith some google! [19:47] i searched google [19:47] :) [19:47] and find this cometais.com.br. IN TXT "v=spf1 ip4:200.247.50.132 ~all" [19:47] ok... [19:48] i dont know if this is correct and where i put this [19:48] put it in your zonefile [19:48] what is this file? named.conf? [19:48] no.. [19:49] you need to google some bind walkthroughs [19:50] Akuma0n3 (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:50] Akuma0n3 (n=Akuma@96.21.131.161) joined ##slackware. [19:50] say does Alsa on Slack need sox? [19:50] i have these files: named.conf named.conf.local db.0 db.127 rndc.key zones.rfc1918 [19:50] do.local [19:51] ops [19:51] db.local [19:51] whatever your zonefile is..look in named.conf [19:52] LnxSlck: I didn't even build chromium, I'm just running it from the directory I extracted to. As for kde 4.3, http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/kde4-packages/4.3.1/ [19:52] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [19:53] fire|bird, how did you solve the policekit thing? [19:53] straterra, look http://pastebin.com/m71e7c958 [19:53] its my named.conf [19:54] You need to read some basic guides on bind [19:54] LnxSlck: PolicyKit is optional yet, those packages aren't built with PK. [19:55] fire|bird, ok... today i read something about de 4.3.. doesn't seem to pacific to insert into slack [19:55] :( [19:55] my dream is configure bind, reverse dns, domains [19:55] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.155) joined ##slackware. [19:55] lol [19:56] Then google some guides [19:56] i read a lot of guides but i dont understand totally [19:56] I have a book that you would really like then [19:56] its called Linux Administration Handbook [19:56] hold on ill get you the number, but its a super well designe dbook [19:57] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:57] its english? [19:57] yes [19:57] Nick change: curtisk -> Braintix [19:57] i will search the portuguese version [19:57] fire|bird, what happens when slack releases kde4.3 packages? [19:57] the ISBN is 0131480049 [19:57] fire|bird, will those overwrite the ones you built ? [19:58] but its really good, and put together by more than one person I believe [19:58] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] it talks about real life exampels of bind config, squid, the relations of sendmail and postfix, backing up stuff running virtual servers, lots of stuff [19:58] its 100 pages [19:58] 1000* [19:58] the official bind docs are well written, too [19:59] cool [19:59] LnxSlck: Well, If slack released 4.3, then they'd come via an upgrade, so it'd maybe keep those ones unless you ran upgradepkg --install-new or something. I'm not sure. [19:59] thanks for help [20:00] fire|bird, that's my question.. if slack "official" packages would overwrite those you gave me... that would be nice [20:00] hey, I FINALLY GOT WIRELESS TO WORK :| :D [20:00] straterra, another little question [20:00] fire|bird, if not, i'll get a screwed up system [20:00] my dns have a mx for my mail server [20:00] this mx is configured on my internet provider [20:01] Ok [20:01] this TXT in i need to do on my bind? [20:01] dimm0k_ (n=dimm0k@pool-96-224-101-51.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:01] It's for SPF..you aren't required to do it [20:01] or i need something for ISP? [20:01] LnxSlck: eh, not necessarily, just have to pay attention to if updates regarding kde came through. :P [20:02] fire|bird, yeah.. like my slack setup too much.. to mess with [20:02] fire|bird, lool [20:02] lol slackpkg says that I have two of the same package, becaus eI have the old perl and new perl installed at the same time, which is what they say you should do [20:02] but it still complains anyways [20:02] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [20:03] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [20:03] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [20:03] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:06] pi31415 (n=bcollver@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: "peace" [20:06] Nick change: mako-don1 -> mako-sama [20:06] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@c-68-53-104-133.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:06] I got a responde yesterday from slakbuilds.org! [20:06] Anyone with experience using fwcutter on broadcom wireless cards? [20:06] response* [20:07] Action: compgenius999 finally got his slackware working on wireless [20:07] not sure what it means [20:07] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@c-68-53-104-133.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:08] but it was forwarded to volkerding [20:08] qu'est-ce que ce passe avec slackpkg? slackpkg update worked. update-all hangs... been doing something, i suppose, for about 3-4 minutes now... [20:08] o rI mean carbon copied [20:08] yesyes, mine works fine [20:09] "Looking for packages to upgrade. Please Wait..." I haven't run it since 13 came out--I'm on current. Bizarre. [20:09] Oh, here it goes. [20:09] LnxSlck: haha, nothing wrong with liking the setup you have. I've used kde4 quite a bit lately, but I'm actually on xfce now, it's just nice and fast, and works. :P [20:09] 5 minutes to find mesa to upgrade was a bit much. [20:09] yesyes: that can't be true. :) [20:09] lf4 (n=KJR@c-98-202-108-40.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] there is no such thing as update-all. ;) [20:10] fire|bird, i used xfce and then openbox, now i stay with kde4 [20:10] fire|bird, it's great [20:10] heh, upgrade-all. I make that mistake on the command line, too. [20:10] eww KDE4 lol [20:10] blackula (i=1000@97.81.105.128) joined ##slackware. [20:10] LnxSlck: Yeah, kde4 is great, I agree. I have 4.3.1 on the laptop and desktop. [20:10] ah I did get info on it [20:10] fire|bird: lier [20:11] fire|bird, even my multimedia keys work on kde4 [20:11] deco: How so? [20:12] fire|bird: just messing with ya :P [20:12] Action: deco gets back to work [20:12] they wont accept it, but I'm keeping the package on my website [20:12] mercfate (i=1000@201-75-119-145-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [20:12] deco: :P [20:13] LnxSlck: KDE4 had been somewhat slow for me here, menus lagging and stuff, but I found a nvidia-settings option that helped out a great deal. [20:14] fire|bird, i read that the best is wait for kde4.3.x [20:15] LnxSlck: Yeah, 4.3.x improved a lot over 4.2.x. There's a noticeable change. It runs really nice on the laptop too. [20:16] fire|bird, yeap.. too bad kde team is more focused on new features then bug fixing [20:17] kde + ancient hercules graphics card = slowwww [20:17] LnxSlck: from 4.2.x to 4.3, there was around 60,000 bugs fixed. [20:17] fire|bird, and there should be 3 times that waiting to beeing fixed [20:17] lool [20:17] lol [20:17] lool [20:18] i haven't tried 4.3 so i'm just kidding [20:18] how do i disable this stupid feature where kde starts everything i had open before shutting down? [20:18] LnxSlck: Well, I bet they wouldn't mind some bug reports if you find something not reported. :P [20:18] fire|bird, well yeah.. too bad sometimes i got bugs, and the debug info is useless [20:18] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) joined ##slackware. [20:19] fabi4n (n=fabi4n@222.124.198.187) left irc: "Leaving" [20:19] somebody plz answer question [20:20] compgenius999, session options [20:20] comhack, system configuration or so [20:20] tab fail ;) [20:21] fire|bird, yap [20:21] damn tab [20:21] s/comhack/compgenius999/ [20:21] fire|bird, i read that krunner got a lot better [20:21] tail [20:22] LnxSlck: krunner can be a calculator, open the mail app when you enter a mailto:address_here, open a web browser when you type a web site in it, etc. [20:22] fire|bird, yeap i saw that [20:23] LnxSlck: If you did install those kde packages from the link I gave, you could always then blacklist them so that you didn't accidentally end up with a mess. [20:24] fire|bird, maybe i'll download them tomorrow [20:24] fire|bird, then just upgradepkg *.tgz right? [20:24] 4.3.1 is really great, I'm impressed with it. The speed issues I'm sure is more my hardware than anything. :P pc from 2004. [20:24] have youtube changed their favicon? [20:24] LnxSlck: I'd go with upgradepkg --install-new *.txz (they are txz packages) [20:24] fire|bird, yes something like that [20:24] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@c-68-53-104-133.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:25] Grrr. continued problems with this BCM wireless. [20:25] yesyes: not here they haven't. Still the same. [20:25] Cryp71c, broadcom ? [20:25] hmm! [20:25] LnxSlck: yeah, BCM4312 [20:25] Yep, 4312 b/g Rev01 [20:25] this new series on ABC _Flashforward_; very interesting first 20 minutes [20:25] fire|bird, i had one of those [20:25] fire|bird, worked fine with kernel drivers [20:25] LnxSlck: my laptop is BCM4306. :P [20:26] but works great with fwcutter and firmware from SBo. [20:26] fire|bird, I've installed nearly every fwcutter-associated firmware. Nothin. [20:26] fire|bird, that's it [20:26] Is there anything else I need to do after extracting the stuff via fwcutter? [20:26] Cryp71c, place the firmware in lib [20:26] i think [20:26] not sure [20:26] Cryp71c: I would speak with Camarade_Tux when he's around beings he's been fighting the same thing, maybe he has some ideas. No, you shouldn't have to do anything. [20:27] LnxSlck: that's done on it's own afaik. At least I didn't have to do anything special with mine. [20:27] Cryp71c, or just go with ndiswrapper [20:27] LnxSlck, yeah....damn ndiswrapper [20:27] fire|bird, i believe i also got it working with ndidwrapper [20:27] cool [20:27] I lucked out and it worked with the SBo stuff. :{ [20:27] :P [20:27] fire|bird, but i hardly use wireless [20:28] I use wireless with my laptop [20:28] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [20:29] fire|bird, i have one usb broadband pen [20:29] There's two other wifi's broadcasting within the range my laptop can pick up, one's wpa2 and the other is completely unencrypted. :P [20:29] Reticent1 (n=reticent@68.190.183.125) joined ##slackware. [20:30] fire|bird, too bad my card can't do packet injection though [20:30] why is it that i told terminal to be transparent, but its still a solid black background? [20:31] composting ftw [20:31] lol [20:31] compgenius999: You need to enable compositing. :P [20:32] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [20:34] how do i enable compositing... [20:34] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:34] do you have a compost pile? [20:35] fire|bird, does modprobe (or insmod) not look in the current directory? [20:35] I have a driver by Broadcom that may help my situation, and their installation instructions are ambiguous at best. [20:35] looks in /lib/modules [20:35] ohhhh, i just got it to enable [20:35] lol [20:35] i'm amazed :Z [20:35] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:35] :| * [20:35] but you might have to depmod [20:35] mancha, this is a new module I'm trying to install [20:36] Do I have to put it into /lib/modules manually before running modprobe? [20:36] my graphics card is an ancient hercules, but i can move windows and they go all nice and transparant :| [20:36] yeah you want it int there and then re-gen the db: depmod [20:37] Action: compgenius999 opens the side of his computer as he doesn't believe that his graphics card can be a hercules if it can do this [20:37] or depmpod -a as it were [20:37] *depmod -a [20:37] k one sec. [20:37] Action: compgenius999 stares really hard at the card confused as it says hercules on the top of the card :| [20:38] a video card named after a greed god has to be good [20:38] haha [20:38] greek*^ [20:39] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:39] i forget was his father or mother the god? [20:39] lmfao [20:39] y0 hitest [20:39] of all the gods and myths the greeks have the most entertaining [20:39] it only have 64mb of video ram [20:40] his father was zeus [20:40] prolly the father, it was a chauvinist pantheistic religion [20:40] mancha, alrighty, so all the stuff is in this folder, now I need to move the .ko into /lib/modules/2.6.29.6/kernel/net/wireless/ ? [20:40] compgenius999: I had an intel integrated card with less than that and it ran compiz nice and smooth. :) [20:40] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:40] uhh [20:40] compiz is incompatible with hercules [20:40] fire|bird, Yeah, but your intel has 3D drivers. :-) [20:40] fire, sure [20:40] uhh, the card is a hercules "3D" prophet [20:41] compgenius999, Is uncompatible with that hercules :-) There are other cards manufactured by hercules that don't use the Kyro GPU. [20:41] s/Is/It's/ [20:41] adamk_: good point. :P [20:41] i think i saw an ati in the same box of scrap gpu's [20:41] oops, cryptic, sure [20:41] adamk_: That pc is just sitting unused right now with a shot mobo. :P [20:41] ati from 1998 = good? [20:42] the older the better, like wine [20:42] hrm, when I do modprobe wl.ko I get "FATAL: Module wl.ko not found" [20:42] compgenius999, Unlikely.... To use compiz, it has to at least be a first generation radeon. [20:42] aww [20:42] thats probably how greek gods were invented, since they did not have TV to watch they sat around the camp file and made stuff up [20:42] did you can haz my command kthxplz, depmod -a stated numerous times [20:42] all i saw was an s3 fastware, and an ati 3d from 1998 [20:42] repeat after me, i can haz read instructions [20:42] mancha, lol I've already done depmod -a [20:43] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-425734.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:43] it didn't error, but neither does it help (unless its doing everything magically and not reporting back) [20:43] modprobe wlan (no ko sensei) [20:43] Module wlan not found. [20:43] then you screwed up [20:44] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net' by irc.freenode.net [20:44] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@c-76-97-113-50.hsd1.ga.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [20:44] well the module is called wl.ko and I copied it into the blahblahblah/net/wireless [20:44] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [20:44] and when I modprobe wl it came back "FATAL: Error inserting wl (/lib/modules/2.6.29.6/kernel/net/wireless/wl.ko): Invalid module format [20:44] " [20:44] firedix (n=firedix@host83.200-117-148.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [20:45] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:45] ok, thats different, it is trying to insert but the module format is not valid [20:45] did you just compile the module? if not, is it built against your kernel? [20:45] dchmelik (i=1000@66.243.232.122) joined ##slackware. [20:46] mancha, I just compiled it [20:46] MLanden (n=mello@pool-72-82-80-61.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:46] y0 MLanden, how are you? [20:46] did you compile it against the right kernel? [20:46] y0 slackers...how's everyone? [20:47] Cryp71c, if you have several kernels it might have built against something else. did it come with a README? [20:47] Heya fire|bird...all good..just messing with some rss feeds...you? [20:47] mancha, yep, and all it instructs is to 'Make' [20:48] And did you compile it with the same version of the compiler that was used for the kernel? [20:48] MLanden: doing great, thanks. vbatts has made some 32bit kde 4.3.1 packages available, so I got those installed and had been messing with kde earlier. [20:48] arghh, my mouse has just fucked up [20:48] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:48] awesome,fire|bird [20:48] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-14-65-139.brnt.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:48] adamk, I'm not sure even how to check that. [20:48] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-14-65-139.brnt.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [20:49] I just did a make clean and then make again and it is making it off the correct kernel (2.6.29.6) [20:49] MLanden: kde 4.3.1 runs nice and smooth, a tad faster too. There's not really the lag I was experiencing before. [20:49] Cryp71c, ok, it sounds (note: sounds) like the issue might have been at compile time, did you read the output while it compiled? did it enter the rigth source dir (the kernel you're trying to modprobe it into?) [20:50] yep mancha, 2.6.29.6 [20:50] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:50] MLanden: So, what are you using for rss feeds? (I'm curious) [20:50] ok and no compile-time errors? [20:50] Hey mfillpot, how's it going? [20:50] yo fire|bird [20:50] cool,fire|bird...what's shows up in conky or top as being the heaviest? [20:50] MLanden: I haven't really checked that out yet, but will after a while. [20:50] fire|bird: snownews [20:50] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.59.14) joined ##slackware. [20:50] MLanden: haha, same here, isn't it great. :) [20:50] fire|bird: I am glad I finally got ffmpeg to records a somewhat decent framerate of my desktop [20:51] flyhorse|linux (n=flyhorse@121.13.159.111) left irc: "ÔÝÀë" [20:51] ah shit [20:51] kde is going crazy [20:51] hey fire|bird [20:51] mfillpot: awesome. I got 4.3.1 on my desktop now, kde. (courtesy of vbatts packages) and that + an nvidia-settings command I found I have pretty much got rid of the kde lag I was having. [20:51] hey Reticent1 [20:51] compgenius999: I guess that mean you are not a compgenius then [20:52] half of the screen died, then came back, then went crazy again [20:52] i'm only a compgenius on windows [20:52] lol [20:52] fire|bird: yeah..fast and light..was messing with canto..but wasn't all that impressed [20:52] linux i'm only kind of [20:52] fire|bird: so to start compiz, i run fusion-icon in terminal, right? [20:52] MLanden: Only gripe I have atm is my laptop wireless, it'll just drop out of the blue, but restarting rc.inet1 fixes it. [20:52] windows requires point and click, no genius is possible [20:53] Reticent1: that, or in the menu (System iirc) there's an icon for it to click and run it. [20:53] Reticent1: should be an icon in the menu under system [20:53] fire|bird: i couldnt find a menu icon :\ [20:53] Reticent1: or, just hit Alt +F2 and run fusion-icon [20:53] fire|bird: I haven't been getting any lag from kde on -current, maybe it is from how it interacted with your drivers [20:53] mfillpot: yeah, could be, I was running on my own built packages before, maybe I borked something. :P [20:54] still debating with slackware 13 and this intel 845g if I want to install compiz on this desktop [20:54] compgenius999: are you having some problems that you want assistance with? [20:54] well, i started compiz, (i found the icon) but now I cant move windows around [20:54] not now [20:54] MLanden: Worth a try. You can always remove it. [20:55] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [20:55] works ok now, just slow cuz the graphics card is an ancient hercules [20:55] anyone here not use syntax highlighting when coding ? [20:55] and the top of the windows, like where the minimize, x and full screen buttons are missing [20:55] haha [20:55] uhhh, how do i setup slack to modprobe ndiswrapper on bootup [20:55] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] Reticent1: That could be a matter of an Option or two in xorg.conf [20:55] fire|bird: true...just upgraded the kernel to 2.6.30 and intel's working good with glx and dri [20:56] fire|bird: ah, ok [20:56] fire|bird: which option am i looking for? [20:56] Reticent1: If you do some googling, you should come up with a ton of fixes, it's not an uncommon issue. [20:56] ok [20:56] what happened to Cryp71c [20:56] Reticent1: I can't recall, I haven't had to fix that for a while. sorry. :) [20:57] its fine, i'll google around for it [20:57] Reticent1: make sure emerald's replacing the window manager you're using [20:57] mancha: maybe took out a hammer and started swinging. [20:57] k sorry I'm back [20:57] lol [20:57] compgenius999: I can't help with that, I stay away from broadcom card like the plague [20:57] broadcom? [20:57] i dont use broadcom [20:57] i guess not :/ [20:57] compgenius999: what chipset are you using that requires ndiswrapper? [20:57] its an inventel card [20:57] deco: lol [20:58] fire|bird: :P [20:58] mfillpot: He's using a USB wireless adapter iirc [20:58] hear ya,mfillpot [20:58] mancha, no original compile time errors, this last time when I did "make clean" and then "make" I got "WARNING: modpost: missing MODULE_LICENSE() in /root/Downloads/hybrid_wl/wl.o [20:58] see include/linux/module.h for more information [20:58] " [20:58] Channel flood from Cryp71c -- kicking [20:58] grrr, sorry about that. [20:58] Cryp71c kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [20:58] haha [20:58] lol [20:58] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@c-68-53-104-133.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] =\ [20:58] lol [20:58] Cryp71c: slackboy did NOT accept your apology. :P [20:58] fire|bird: you must buy him some ice-cream now [20:59] I'm broke [20:59] so something is mising and the reason the error is different is the thing prolly came with a wl.ko which meant make didn't actually compile [20:59] so is there some sort of script that runs on boot time somewhere? [20:59] fire|bird: same here :/ [20:59] did it make a wl.ko file though even with the warning? [21:00] mancha, yes. [21:00] that I'm certain of [21:00] great, now my wireless broke again [21:00] lol [21:00] try to cp this new wl.ko over the old one, then depmod -A, then modprobe wl [21:00] fire|bird: have you seen the noobfarm post that features us ? [21:01] deco: yup. :P [21:01] startup info http://luv.asn.au/overheads/linux-startup.html [21:01] fire|bird: I'm honored :P [21:01] mancha, nope, error. [21:01] (same as before) [21:02] Its alright, I've got to go. I'll give this another shot tomorrow at work [21:02] THanks guys [21:02] deco: that's good, some people that get on noobfarm should be embarrassed. :P [21:02] np, good luck [21:02] see ya Cryp71c [21:02] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@c-68-53-104-133.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:03] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "tired" [21:03] fire|bird: that theme work OK? [21:03] MLanden: yeah. [21:03] compgenius999: are you still there? [21:03] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-179-140.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:03] yeah [21:03] busy getting my card to work on slack again [21:03] MLanden: yesterday and today I've been using Nodoka Midnight, a nice dark theme. [21:04] wicd started failing again [21:04] s/yesterday/last night/ [21:04] fire|bird: easy build? [21:04] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:04] compgenius999: we should have a channel just for you [21:04] re snownews, that qualifies as one of the nicer things i've installed lately [21:04] compgenius999: you can setup the ndis initiation script in /etc/rc.d and add lines to /etc/rc.d/rc.inet2 to launch it at boot time [21:04] deco: hahaha, how about ##compgenius999 [21:05] MLanden: yup [21:05] fire|bird: yes lol [21:05] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:05] dartmouth (n=dartmout@24.25.172.165) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [21:05] sweet,fire|bird..will give it a try sometime over the weekend [21:05] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:06] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:06] mancha: yeah, snownews is very nice. I installed liferea the other day, just to mess around with it, and if you leave it open, it can sit in the system tray and it shows a pop-up tray message when there's a new feed. [21:06] hi [21:06] hi [21:06] hi [21:06] hi Quiznos ! [21:07] hi [21:07] hi [21:07] hi [21:07] mmm, mmm, mmm, tasty [21:07] fire|bird: which html renderer did you build it with? [21:08] sorry Quiznos, I could not help it [21:08] MLanden: liferea? Just whatever default is. :P I didn't really pay attention to that, just built it. [21:08] Quiznos: i can haz you for dinner ? [21:08] Hey antiwire, how's it going? [21:08] http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/40456 this is interesting [21:08] y0 Quiznos [21:08] cool,fire|bird [21:08] all good. got off work and surfed for a bit [21:08] deco shuah [21:08] antiwire: How's work going? [21:08] MLanden hi [21:09] It's cool so far. The hectic insane part comes in two weeks [21:09] MLanden: I've been using snownews, it's a really nice cli feed viewer. [21:09] antiwire: lol, what's in two weeks? :P [21:09] I gigantic new install with six geographically separated locations [21:09] I/A [21:10] wow [21:10] hey fire|bird, i already have a channel on quakenet and wyldryde [21:10] lol [21:10] haha [21:10] they are all connected over MPLS [21:10] EVERB [21:10] compgenius999: nice [21:10] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [21:10] fire|bird it is nice...whether being in X or just as console [21:10] MLanden: yeah, same with mutt and irssi. :) [21:11] compgenius999: did you understand my instructions? [21:11] antiwire: That should be fun setting up. :) [21:11] true [21:11] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [21:12] jhw_ (n=jhw@p548F45D8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:12] fire|bird: what alright, looks likie my graphics card is not working correctly [21:13] compiz gives me a white screen [21:13] jhw (n=jhw@p548F4252.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:13] same symptoms as this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=986779 [21:13] Reticent1: haha, that sucks [21:13] Reticent1: are you using the open drivers or proprietary ones? [21:13] i dojt know [21:13] mrfillpot, well wicd is failing too much right now, i need to get my card to work again first [21:13] Reticent1: what is set in xorg.conf for a driver? [21:13] probably open because I havent installed any [21:14] ah, im using nv [21:14] thats why [21:14] doesnt sbo have a build of the prop nvidia drivers? [21:15] compgenius999: good luck with that and remember that more than point-and-click will be necessary to get your system setup correctly. [21:15] point and click? [21:15] i cant do point and click [21:15] Reticent1: SBo, get the nvidia drivers, kernel one first, then driver. [21:15] every gui i use fails [21:16] i even have to use the terminal, just to access my flash drive [21:16] compgenius999: windows joke [21:16] crn__ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) left irc: "Leaving" [21:16] fire|bird: ok, thanks [21:16] yw [21:16] fire|bird: hopefully i dont screw up my xorg lol [21:16] wow [21:16] wtf... [21:16] lol [21:16] that was really random [21:16] Hi fire|bird: how are you man :)? [21:16] its just decided that it wanted to work and connected without me doing anything [21:17] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.179.140) joined ##slackware. [21:17] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) joined ##slackware. [21:17] gar0t0: great, thanks. you? [21:17] deco mcedit [21:17] fire|bird: great :) [21:18] Pig_Pen: hmmm interesting , trying it [21:18] compgenius999: it sounds like you wrenched the main config, if jump drives must be mounted manually then you wiped someone from the default configs [21:18] nope [21:18] i did nothing [21:19] after getting into runlevel 4 when i wuz tryna get gui to work [21:19] that wuz about it [21:19] i plugged in flash drive, and clicked on detected media [21:19] it shoots out errors all over me [21:19] compgenius999: have you been assigned to the right groups? [21:19] nope [21:19] Pig_Pen: :O [21:20] i kinda screwed up my groups when i changed myself to the wheel group [21:20] i used usermod and ended up breaking all my gorups [21:20] Pig_Pen: I'm impressed :D, thanks [21:20] groups* [21:20] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:21] compgenius999: good luck fixing the group and permission issues [21:21] what groups SHOULD i be in? [21:21] so far i'm in wheel, user, and netdev [21:22] audio, video, cdrom [21:22] fire|bird: the nvidia-driver package says i need to edit the xorg.conf, but what do i put in it? [21:22] Reticent1: you change nv to nvidia [21:22] for the Driver [21:22] oh [21:22] k i'm in those 3 groups now fire|bird [21:22] Then you log in and out of X. [21:22] compgenius999: ok [21:23] whoops, log out and in X. :P [21:23] fire|bird: then restart x, right? [21:23] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-137-1.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:23] fire|bird: you make the impossible happen :P [21:23] Reticent1: Yup, which you can do by just logging out and in. [21:23] lets let compgenius do some research on he groups needed by kde, the help when he has a preliminary list [21:23] deco: I do? WOW. [21:24] fire|bird: i prefer ctrl-alt-backspace :) [21:24] or is that bad? [21:24] Reticent1: that works. :) [21:24] no, not bad. [21:24] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@173-18-63-179.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [21:24] fire|bird: grrrr read wrong [21:24] lol [21:24] ooops [21:24] Nick change: phoenix^ -> Guest56473 [21:24] deco: that wouldn't be the first time. :P [21:25] what the heck, I identified. [21:25] Guest56473: lol you fail :P [21:25] so mfillpot, what file do i add the thigns needed for my card to? [21:25] quote nickserv ghost phoenix^ 8$s@v^k~z(*&^%$#@! [21:25] argh [21:25] Guest56473 (n=fire|bir@173-18-63-179.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:25] CRAP [21:25] lmfao [21:26] is that your actual password? [21:26] fire|bird: LOL! [21:26] thumbs: Not for long [21:26] fire|bird: just wow wow [21:26] son of a..... [21:26] well mfillpot, what file do i add the stuff needed to get my card working to? [21:26] noobfarm! lol [21:26] fire|bird: woooo it works :) [21:26] compgenius999: do you have a script to load the ndis drivers? [21:26] phoenix^_ (n=fire|bir@173-18-63-179.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [21:26] phoenix^_ (n=fire|bir@173-18-63-179.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [21:26] nop [21:27] i can make a shell script though to do it [21:27] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.231.5) joined ##slackware. [21:28] if i make a script, where should i put it? [21:28] compgenius999: make a shell script, place it in /etc/rc.d/ and make sure to follow the naming conventions, then modifu /etc/rc.d/rc.inet2 to include lines to run your script on boot [21:28] naming conventions? [21:29] compgenius999: rc.servicename [21:29] dchmelik (i=1000@66.243.232.122) left irc: "Leaving." [21:29] compgenius999: and if you probaly help if you recognition of the start/stop/restart flags in your shell script [21:30] Is there a reason you must touch the stock rc.inetX scripts? [21:30] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:30] you should hook your own rc scripts in rc.local whenever possible [21:30] fire|bird: you there what happened ? [21:30] dchmelik (i=1000@66.243.232.122) joined ##slackware. [21:30] i don't exactly know bash scripting so i can't make it work with start stop and restart [21:30] antiwire: to have ndiswrapper launch his drivers on boot, I was thinking rc.inet2 because it is a network based script [21:31] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.124.110) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:31] he should use rc.local [21:31] mfillpot: rc.local will accomplish that [21:31] compgenius999: look at the other files in that directory and copy and past the start/stop/restart mechanisms [21:31] compgenius999: you head then the script to start your bash script should be appending in rc.local [21:31] s/then/them/ [21:32] dchmelik (i=1000@66.243.232.122) left ##slackware. [21:32] deco: yeah, I'm here. :/ [21:32] fire|bird: changed your pass ? [21:32] oh, so i should append my script to rc.local? [21:32] deco: working on it. It's not working. :P [21:33] fire|bird: hurry up so i can noobfarm :P [21:33] anyone doing GPT/GRUB stuff here? [21:33] Dominian: I forgot the / for identifying, thus pasting my pass here, and now it's saying Invalid parameter, what am I doing wrong? [21:33] hi fire|bird, just saw your earlier post. I logged on then walked away:) [21:33] hitest: haha [21:33] compgenius999: no, make your script /etc/rc.d/rc.ndiswireless, than append the necessary lines in rc.local to launch your script [21:33] :) [21:33] I can still ghost if someone tries that. [21:34] fire|bird: /msg nickserv help setpass [21:34] Quiznos: why are you asking about grub? [21:34] mfillpot bpun in linux needs asst [21:34] fire|bird: DOH!!! [21:34] Dominian: that's what I'm following. [21:34] agentc0re: for sure. :P [21:34] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [21:34] fire|bird: PM me the line you are using.. removing the password of course hehe [21:35] Quiznos: what distr is he/she using? [21:35] duno yet [21:35] he quit [21:35] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "buh" [21:35] dchmelik (i=1000@66.243.232.122) joined ##slackware. [21:35] jinjii (n=alpha@93-45-136-30.ip102.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. [21:35] where's nyredneck? [21:36] Quiznos: /ns info nyredneck [21:36] nah [21:36] must be OTR [21:36] well just saying.. his nick isn't registerd.. /whois returns nothing.. so [21:36] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.179.140) left irc: "Leaving" [21:36] mfillpot, do i put /etc/rc.d/rc.ndisload or sh /etc/rc.d/rc.ndisload [21:36] ah [21:37] i know he has at least two nicks [21:37] after I switched back to my big monitor, the max resolution X is allowing is 800x600... but the video card and monitor can do 1280x1024 or likely even 1600x1200 [21:37] @^ +-? [21:37] compgenius999: /etc/rc.d/rc.ndisload will the be name of the file that contains the script [21:37] yep [21:38] compgenius999: I think you need to change you nick [21:38] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:38] wow, compiz has really improved since i last used it [21:38] nevur [21:38] i own this nick on all irc networks [21:38] dchmelik: what is your video cards/chip? [21:38] quakenet, efnet, qyldryde [21:38] wyldryde* [21:38] ustream [21:38] compgenius999: It irritates me helping a windows dependent user in slackware when they have a name that claims that they don't need help. [21:39] my friend gets 18mb DSL tomorrow [21:39] what a jerk! [21:39] nice [21:39] i'm not windows dependant [21:39] heh [21:39] MLanden: it is a matrox g450 [21:39] i have no windows on the box with linux [21:39] antiwire: only 18mb? [21:39] antiwire dont be jealous :) [21:39] instead i have ubuntu, slackware, and arch [21:39] s/windows/diaper [21:39] lol [21:39] i had it working before summer vacation all year on this system [21:41] whyd it die in here? [21:41] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [21:41] i added a row in "screen" for Modes but X just ignored it [21:41] compgenius999: do some research on bash scripting and review some of the files in /etc/rc.d to find some basic syntax and guidance, if you already have the ndis execution script working then this will turn out to be very easy [21:42] is there even anything like xorgconfig or xorgcfg anymore or are you forced to rely on what 'X -configure' makes? [21:42] dchmelik that usually does a good job [21:43] well it did not today [21:43] dchmelik: xogsetup is quite nice [21:43] ok [21:43] i will try that [21:43] dchmelik (i=1000@66.243.232.122) left irc: "Leaving." [21:44] sQuEE (n=narya@host212.201-252-27.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:44] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-179-140.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:44] is rc.local ran as root? [21:44] compgenius999: who is the owner of the file? [21:44] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-43.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:45] dchmelik (i=1000@66.243.232.122) joined ##slackware. [21:46] uh, i odn't know the command to get permissions and owner of a file [21:46] i tried xorgsetup, but i guess xorg is not what it used to be [21:46] ls -l [21:46] dchmelik: in 13.0 is all automagical [21:46] autocrapical [21:47] root [21:47] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:47] compgenius999: http://slackbook.org go now [21:47] its peanutbutter jelly time!!! [21:47] ty agentc0re [21:47] peanutbutter!!! [21:47] already did [21:47] peanutbutter jelly time!!! [21:47] lol [21:47] where you at?! [21:47] Family Guy sucks [21:48] peanut butter jelly peanut butter jelly peanut butter jelly with a baseball bat! [21:48] PB&J time was WAY before Family Guy [21:48] 72 minutes till tav opens, octoberfest! [21:48] beer, the perfect cure for a beer induced hangover [21:48] tav? [21:48] lol [21:48] tav, tavern [21:48] oh, nice. [21:48] our campus tavern is actually called "The Tavern" shortened to tav [21:49] going to the fest this saturday myself... should be a decent time. [21:49] haha. [21:49] I do not believe this--I did not even have to use 800x600 when I used windows 3.1 [21:49] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) left irc: "Leaving" [21:49] in campus dialect, tav? with the inflection is a challenge to someone, who must respond tav! with that inflection, and then go with the challenger to the tav [21:49] kejen (n=brian@67.202.107.232) left irc: "leaving" [21:50] anyone who does not respond correctly is labelled a 'pusssssssy', shunned and abandandoned, before the challenger goes to the tav [21:51] lol wth does that all mean?!? [21:51] spook get a neural check [21:51] or reboot or someth [21:51] Quiznos: it means, my group of friends and i enjoy drinking beer. [21:51] lol [21:51] yea yea, sure sure (another exclusive macro by Quiznos) [21:51] I'll drink your milkshake [21:51] I'll drink it up [21:51] and i was attempting to explain the etimology of the word 'tav' [21:51] lol [21:51] ok [21:52] failed [21:52] etym* [21:52] i'm hung over, so sue me [21:52] ah [21:52] spook there's a wall behind you LOOK OUT! [21:52] antiwire will drink Quiznos's milkshake? [21:53] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [21:53] wtf is a tav? [21:53] dont ask [21:53] a univ slur [21:53] lol [21:54] (07:47:06 PM) spook: our campus tavern is actually called "The Tavern" shortened to tav [21:54] ... [21:54] ah ok [21:54] i can't read [21:54] we know. [21:54] :P [21:54] as usual, superGear is a day late and a buck short [21:55] I bet the new version of xorg only automatically finds out the configuration for LCDs [21:56] wrong [21:56] it failed for me too [21:56] i had to make a xorg.conf [21:56] antiwire: http://spacefellowship.com/2009/09/24/new-images-reveal-pure-water-ice-at-low-latitudes-on-mars/ [21:56] nice [21:57] the only real difference between lusedows and xorg now is that xorg is free [21:57] well i bet if you used a Hercules card like compgenius999, you'd have no problems at all! [21:57] ... [21:57] ok, guys I'm tired and I'm out.. I will be back tomorrow [21:57] LMAO!!!!!! [21:57] i *would* use a Hercules if i could find one [21:57] nite dude. [21:57] gn milf [21:57] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [21:57] lol [21:58] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [21:58] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-137-1.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:58] mobo oem's are gettin real cheap with the isa slots [21:58] wth would you plug a herc card into? [21:58] Linux XXXXX 2.6.31.1-YYYYYY #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Sep 24 18:24:22 PDT 2009 i686 Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2400 @ 1.83GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [21:58] what's with the redaction? [21:59] Linux Ananias 2.6.24.5 #2 Wed Apr 30 14:13:52 CDT 2008 i686 AMD Sempron(tm) Processor LE-1250 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [21:59] thpfft [21:59] Quiznos, i would plug it into a pIII [21:59] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-179-140.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:59] you need a slot [21:59] a pII with ISA [21:59] i mean pIII [21:59] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [21:59] ping one damit [21:59] pick [21:59] heh [21:59] leno, with limbaugh [22:00] Kumool (n=Monevo@adsl-64-237-231-19.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:09] ok [22:09] stupid ath5k [22:09] meet me at the drive-thru [22:09] in Ohio [22:09] lol [22:10] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [22:12] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-13-56.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:12] what is wrong with ath5k for you? [22:15] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --Winston Churchill"). [22:15] estevao (n=estevao@187.59.231.5) left irc: "Leaving." [22:15] Linux naraku 2.6.31-slack #2 SMP Mon Sep 21 08:30:19 MDT 2009 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [22:15] grats. [22:16] psh, wasteful. run 64-bit [22:16] KillerV (i=1000@bhe200150031201.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:16] no [22:16] i like 32bit [22:16] why? [22:16] no need to use 64bit at this time [22:17] atleast for me [22:17] it's a free speed boost [22:17] dear noble wise and merciful antiwire I have read alienBob's wonderful book but am still somd [22:17] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [22:17] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [22:17] i run 64 bit Windows [22:18] oh, that's fine then [22:18] firebird619 (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [22:18] Action: thrice` slaps superGear [22:18] gem_cat: ? [22:18] powtrix (n=powtrix@189.69.17.75) joined ##slackware. [22:18] somd? [22:19] stepping on my dic [22:19] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) joined ##slackware. [22:19] Kumool (n=Monevo@adsl-64-237-231-19.prtc.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:19] if you are still working on your wireless I refuse to help [22:20] superGear, would you mind if I packed your 64-bit windows box full of firecrackers then since you say you do not need 64-bit? [22:20] it's been nearly a month [22:20] your scripts seem perfect - i must be adding something [22:20] dchmelik, no [22:20] you still don't have your wireless working gem_cat? :P [22:20] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:20] i have worked on it many days firebird619 [22:21] I know, I've been here and seen antiwire help you several times. :) [22:21] firebird619: did i mean something why the 619 ? [22:21] many weeks* [22:21] i miss* [22:21] slacks (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [22:21] i stumbled online once so my hardware must work [22:21] booyaka 619 [22:21] deco: haha, Well, this is fire|bird, of course, but I got back to just one freenode account which is firebird619 & phoenix^ :D [22:21] and I dropped the other one. [22:22] deco: I was firebird619 for AGES, before you even started coming here I believe. [22:22] he's a wwe fan [22:22] firebird619: awwwww i'll miss firebird :( [22:22] firebird619: oh :P [22:22] deco: Why, I'm the same person, just different nick. :P [22:22] firebird619: ok :) [22:23] i got stoopit noisy birds in the front tree behind me near my window [22:23] neonflux (n=mrjones@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:23] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [22:23] and neighbor feeds them [22:23] firebird619: how long have you been here ? [22:23] Quiznos: could be worse...could be in a place in the world with howler monkeys.:D [22:24] lol ew [22:24] deco: In ##slackware, since like last November or so iirc. On freenode it's been 4 years, 3 weeks, 2 days. [22:24] Action: Quiznos shudders [22:24] limbaugh on leno in a few seconds [22:24] Quiznos: I was a corvidae hater until I read more about them and found out how developed their problem solving abilities are [22:24] antiwire ok [22:24] deco: So, I guess you could say, I'm back to my old self. :P [22:24] limbaugh limbaugh [22:25] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crow [22:25] he has lost weight [22:25] Quiznos, 30 mins [22:25] alot Quiznos [22:25] or so [22:25] ok [22:25] firebird619: been like 2 or 3 months on #slackware [22:25] Quiznos, don't spoil for us West Coasters [22:25] Quiznos: last spam link here, but interesting to watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYZnsO2ZgWo [22:25] firebird619: so far years of linux or just irc ? [22:25] four* [22:25] ty [22:26] firebird619 was born using linux [22:26] superGear ok np [22:26] deco: 4 years of irc, about 9-10 years of linux [22:26] firebird619: oh nice :P, 1 year for me , im still a baby :P [22:26] superGear he already telegraphed his plan earlier this week [22:26] firebird619 is 10 years old [22:26] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@96.250.220.91) joined ##slackware. [22:27] superGear: hahaha [22:27] superGear: hahaha [22:27] i'm 2.half years old [22:27] Quiznos: It shows [22:27] lol [22:27] ty [22:27] Nick change: Quiznos -> PurpleSmurf [22:27] thffpt [22:27] Nick change: deco -> Quiznos [22:27] hi [22:27] lol [22:27] fe3d me fo0l [22:27] Nick change: firebird619 -> deco [22:27] lool [22:27] :O [22:27] lol [22:27] hahha [22:28] PurpleSmurf: take a bite! [22:28] Nick change: PurpleSmurf -> Fire|bird [22:28] Nick change: deco -> firebird619 [22:28] lol [22:28] i can't get X to work [22:28] omg it's a con-piracy of nicks [22:28] haha, I dropped that nick anyway. :P [22:28] rofl [22:28] i'm so confused [22:28] lol [22:28] Nick change: superGear -> deco [22:28] this damn laptop wont [22:28] Oh lord, who is who now. :P [22:28] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [22:28] Fire|bird: did you ever have problems with compiz and xfce's panel? [22:28] i duno [22:28] nop [22:28] hmm [22:28] lol [22:28] Reticent1: haha, no. (This is the real fire|bird) [22:28] no problems here [22:29] i can't select windows if i minimize them [22:29] it's all i lie [22:29] Fire|bird: lies! [22:29] i lied [22:29] lol [22:29] OMG, this is crazy [22:29] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [22:29] :psyduck: [22:29] #politics is interesting [22:29] Nick change: slacks -> |Slacker| [22:29] lol i have a neural fault building [22:29] Nick change: Reticent1 -> Reticenti [22:29] The inmates have taken over the asylum [22:29] yay [22:30] Nick change: deco -> phoenix^ [22:30] i can't do a fresh install of slackware 13 [22:30] lol [22:30] folks...so how's each other's skins feel? good? [22:30] bah [22:30] i feel dirty [22:30] it's too sticky in here [22:30] uh [22:30] lol [22:30] too much plummage [22:30] Nick change: phoenix^ -> firebird666 [22:30] Action: Fire|bird plucks it all [22:30] ew [22:30] SQUAUK [22:30] firebird666: hahahaha [22:30] I still have that one registered you dork. :P [22:30] mov eax, NO [22:31] yea well; ns is dead apparently [22:31] i have to mayo on me [22:31] to much* [22:31] wrong [22:31] no no no; you ooze [22:31] too* damn i can't spell [22:31] heh [22:31] my skin feels fantastic. I played in the ocean today and didn't shower [22:31] mmmhmmm [22:31] heh [22:31] neat [22:31] Well, I know antiwire is really antiwire, as for the rest, I have no idea anymore. :P [22:31] lol [22:32] MLanden: are you really you? :P [22:32] MLanden i'm abandoning my lappy for an Ancient Grid laptop i found [22:32] neva....:D [22:32] installing ibmdos 6.2 [22:33] Fire|bird: old 486 tablet? [22:33] heh [22:33] nah, cant write [22:33] Quiznos (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [22:33] Quiznos (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:33] Quiznos (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [22:33] Nick change: Fire|bird -> Quiznos [22:33] How the heck is deco still Quiznos [22:33] lol [22:33] he's not [22:33] well, not now [22:34] he was [22:34] ghosted him twice too [22:34] It didn't work. :P [22:34] it did [22:34] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] rehi [22:34] Dude, he just had logged in as you: (2009-09-24 21:32:57) Quiznos [n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] entered the room. :P [22:34] freenode wants it's skin back [22:34] damn i got kicked out [22:34] Quiznos: damn you :P [22:34] woot [22:34] new nick [22:34] everyone back to normal ? [22:34] Action: Quiznos puts hand infront of mouth :03 [22:34] i think so [22:35] k [22:35] Nick change: firebird666 -> superGear [22:35] lol [22:35] firebird619: oh lol [22:35] firebird619: i got it, i didnt have the correct number of desktops enabled [22:35] deco: I'm still me. [22:35] scorchsaber (n=scorch@user65-127.vicres.utoronto.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:35] Reticenti: awesome [22:35] firebird619 is a fake [22:35] scorchsaber (n=scorch@user65-127.vicres.utoronto.ca) joined ##slackware. [22:35] Quiznos is real [22:35] we're all fakes [22:36] firebird619: hmmmm what's your fav DE ? [22:36] Won't the real superGear please stand up, please stand up. [22:36] i'm myself [22:36] Action: deco slaps firebird619 for being corny [22:36] this is me [22:36] Quiznos: that's obvious [22:36] pff [22:36] Only you play a good you. :P [22:36] firebird619 fav is explorer.exe [22:36] firebird619: hahha [22:36] thank Gawd [22:36] haha [22:37] notKlaatu (i=1001@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:37] i like KDE 4.3.1 [22:37] much better it seems than 4.2.4 [22:37] Action: deco doesn't remember anyone asking superGear [22:37] Quiznos: What's the processor of that old Grid laptop? [22:37] lol :P [22:37] superGear: 4.3.1 is MUCH nicer than 4.2.4 [22:37] MLanden late 80s; x3 maybe 4 [22:37] deco, fu then bub sorry [22:37] lol [22:37] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:37] lol [22:38] superGear: you can say the big word [22:38] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: "leaving" [22:38] superGear: ill hold your hand all the way [22:38] Quiznos: one of their rugged models? [22:38] you can hold my .... [22:38] so... [22:38] Action: deco goes back to work [22:38] deco: hold his hand for what, this is slackware, not ubuntu [22:38] yea; i held one once; pretty heave [22:38] heavy [22:38] OHGOD [22:38] :P [22:38] o_O [22:39] Quiznos: big sausage ? [22:39] where? [22:39] that's what she said [22:39] [in bed] [22:39] Quiznos is a she? [22:39] nop; all man [22:39] superGear: The test was inconclusive. [22:39] firebird619: his a heshe [22:40] What's better Quiznos or Subway ? [22:40] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-179-140.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:40] Quiznos [22:40] hihi [22:40] Quiznos longs for the Subway $5 footlong. [22:40] john_dee (n=id@93-81-119-114.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [22:40] firebird619: hahahah [22:40] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:41] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [22:41] doesn't Quiznos has $5 dollar foot longs? [22:41] no [22:41] it's too spensive for me :) [22:41] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] oh Quiznos has $5 1 inchers [22:41] lol [22:42] modeled after firebird619 :P [22:42] deco: He keeps hoping for a toy in the kids meal, but gets disappointed each time when he realizes that's McDonalds. [22:42] firebird619: hahhaha [22:42] type0_ (n=t0@brln-4dba996a.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [22:42] sQuEE (n=narya@host248.201-252-28.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [22:42] i had a McD chicken sammich today [22:42] with spicy mustard sauce, no mayo [22:42] I guess you could say, subbin ain't easy. [22:43] i gotta make rice for breakfast [22:43] how do i start compiz instead of xfwm? [22:43] when i startx [22:44] rice?!?, for breakfast. :/ [22:44] it is listed in xwmconfig? [22:44] No it isn't. [22:44] yea, rice, sausage, eggs; spices [22:44] Reticenti: In xfce's autostart, add an entry for fusion-icon [22:44] ok [22:44] Reticenti: Go to the xfce menu, Settings, Sessions & Startup [22:45] i make a bag o rice and frigelate it for breakfast; i scoop into a pot and add the rest [22:45] sausage or bacon [22:45] Quiznos: http://www.netmagic.net/~clare/GRiD.html might be of some help [22:45] ty [22:46] ughh, compiling icewm = fail [22:46] how? [22:46] details man, details! [22:46] :) [22:46] i'm getting tons of "call is unlikely, code size will grow" when i run the slackbuild file [22:46] ew [22:46] its probably going to screw up [22:46] eya [22:46] no it's compgenius999 again [22:47] trim back the clfags [22:47] cflags [22:47] it is going to be the Fantastic Four vs the Inimical Infinite [22:47] night everyone, see ya firebird619 i have to get work done and you're not helping :P [22:47] gn [22:47] see ya deco [22:48] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:49] alright, so compiz is being stubborn and is ignoring kill commands [22:49] how do i really really kill something? [22:49] killall fusion-icon [22:49] killall -9g name [22:49] kill -9 [22:49] or killall -9 [22:49] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4 [22:49] i wuz wrong, icewm started fine [22:50] k [22:50] hba (n=hba@189.188.160.15) joined ##slackware. [22:50] ruben23 (n=RPL@122.55.48.243) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:50] hey, can I add traceroute information in xplanet? [22:50] it would be cool :D [22:50] duno [22:50] argh, i need to find a good window manager [22:50] compgenius999: ion3 [22:51] compgenius999: fluxbox, openbox, pekwm, etc. ;) They are all good. [22:52] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-13-56.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:53] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-134-81.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:54] i liked blackbox [22:54] compgenius999 for me, blackbox is quite min but i'd like a fuller dynamic menu from it [22:54] nods [22:54] jinx [22:54] but found its unsupported [22:54] its no longer supported :( [22:54] i'd like runtime dynamic menuing of the path elements [22:55] taht just means no one's working on it; not a bad thing. [22:55] dormant is a better word [22:55] Action: BP{k} prefers xfwm4 as a window manager. [22:55] anyone can fork it [22:55] http://chvnx.com/post/170486502 [22:55] meh, ok [22:55] i found how to edit the menus, and how to configure it [22:55] howdy BP{k}. :P [22:55] so might aswell use it [22:56] will lilo install with ext4 on / ? [22:56] firebird619: howdy :) stop changing your nick dammit! [22:56] argh, Quiznos do you have any idea on how i can change the colors on xterm? [22:56] BP{k}: haha, I'm down to 1 account now (from 2) so I just have firebird619 and phoenix^. fwiw, the tab completion is the same as fire|bird. :P fi or fir + tab. :P [22:58] firebird619: might lose your placing in stats with the user with most nicks...:P [22:58] MLanden: nah, I shouldn't, it's seemed to follow me. :P If nothing else, I know how many I have, 95. :D [22:58] lol [22:59] type0 (n=t0@brln-4dbab966.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:59] X is taking up most of my CPU, what can i do to ake that stop/ [22:59] quit X? [22:59] you really can't do anything [22:59] heh [22:59] MLanden: I would have went with fire|bird and phoenix^, but that would have meant dropping both my accounts and creating yet another one, and this one, firebird619, is the one I've had since when I was first on freenode. :) [22:59] ok let me ask this another way, can you use ext4 in the root partition and boot from it with LILO? [23:00] Xgates: thats what i do [23:00] kool,firebird619 [23:00] oh i found how to change xterm colors :D [23:01] MLanden: and, I don't think I can just change firebird619 to fire|bird for the same account, so, I'm cool with this now. :P [23:01] Reticenti: ok wasn't sure, been years since I've used lilo, been using grub mainly and I know grub can't have ext4 to boot with it, so didn't know if lilo was ok booting ext4 [23:01] thrice`: desktop cube was taking all my cpu, i disabled it and my cpu dropped from 100% to 15% lol [23:01] Xgates: yep. ext4 + lilo works just fine. [23:01] orly,firebird619? [23:01] thanks [23:01] MLanden: yup. to my knowledge anyway. [23:01] lilo doesn't care what it boots :> [23:01] =D [23:04] yarvin (n=yarvin@105-200-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [23:05] Anjo_Malvado (i=1000@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [23:05] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [23:05] what distros use lilo by default besides slackware (and distros based on slack) [23:06] CRUX linux does [23:07] gentoo can :> [23:07] redhat can [23:07] but isn't the default [23:07] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@96.250.220.91) left irc: [23:07] superGear: grub is on /extra, you can try it -:) [23:07] no [23:08] it was a question [23:08] not a is grub available [23:08] no need to be so fiesty [23:09] well since it's been a long time since I used slack I see 2 kernel options, generic and huge, I guess for hardware compatibility 'huge' is a safe bet? [23:09] sheesh I remember when you only had to pick one, hehe... [23:10] Xgates: CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT :) it's all explained there. [23:11] firebird619 (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware (""Those who do not feel pain seldom think that it is felt." Dr. Samuel Johnson"). [23:13] compgenius999 no on colors [23:13] ok [23:13] Xgates: huge is the "safe" choice. But generic is the best o use (generic NEEDS an initrd to work in most cases) [23:13] generic is the best o use, huh? [23:14] hehe [23:14] dchmelik (i=1000@66.243.232.122) left irc: "Leaving." [23:14] to use. [23:15] dchmelik (i=1000@66.243.232.122) joined ##slackware. [23:15] o hi [23:15] well I'm installing 13 with the mini iso doing a netinstall on a 13" Macbook Pro so not sure if the generic will give me good support or not, what ya think? [23:15] But remember to use an initrd with your disk controller and root filesystem modules. [23:15] Quiznos i found how to do colours and it works great [23:15] kool [23:15] "xterm -bg black -fg green" [23:15] yea [23:15] type0_ (n=t0@brln-4dba996a.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:15] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:16] disk and root must NOT be modules [23:16] i wonder if anyone is ever going to pick blackbox back up into development [23:16] Xgates: intel video on that macbook? [23:16] sure someone could; you could [23:16] i'm not much of a programmer [23:16] lol [23:16] larn it [23:16] i know only a little c++ perl and php [23:17] downgrade to c [23:17] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-134-81.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:17] compgenius999: that's so funny you ask about BB just two days ago I was at the BB site looking at it say, sheesh this thing hasn't had development in years and I actually hadn't looked at the BB site in probably 3-4 years... [23:17] MLanden: I have the latest gen Macbook Pro, all new macs are nvidia [23:17] unless serious bugs are in the code; darmancy isnt a bad thing [23:17] dormancy [23:17] blackbox is still good even though it hasnt been updated since 2005 [23:17] yea [23:17] Xgates: ok [23:17] it looks good, and its still customizable [23:18] yea [23:18] xactly [23:18] BB is the granddaddy :) [23:18] Quiznos: initrd is there to solve this problems. [23:18] Quiznos: Use an initrd WITH the disk controller and root filesystem modules. this is the way to use generic kernel. [23:18] i'm quite contrary to initrd after install [23:19] Action: velusip still uses BB! Use it on every one of my computers. [23:19] how many is that? two? [23:19] :> [23:20] Well, yes. [23:20] desktop and netbook [23:21] I just can't be bothered to try anything else. it does what it's supposed to. the end. [23:21] PiterPunk: but after you do an install and choose generic, during the install with it run mkinitrd, or do you have to manually do it after you boot up the first time? [23:21] I mean during the install will it run mkinitrd.... [23:22] Xgates: just after the install you need to enter in /mnt, chroot there and run mkinitrd. The LVM and CRYPT READMEs can be a good help about the procedure [23:23] Xgates: run mkinitrd, edit lilo.conf and then run lilo. [23:23] well as I was saying, installing onto a macbook, maybe it's safer to go with hugh [23:23] Only after those steps you can do the first boot -;) [23:24] Xgates: maybe. And maybe you need ELILO to work with EFI. I don't know [23:24] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:6bf) joined ##slackware. [23:24] also slackware{,64}-13.0 have "/usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh" to help you. [23:24] ahhh ELILO, is it in the slack installer? [23:25] darn I wish Slack gave an option to use grub too [23:25] Nick change: Kamus_H_Zwisch -> Kamus_Away[xi] [23:25] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-63-179.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [23:25] Nick change: firebird619 -> Guest74319 [23:26] Nick change: Guest74319 -> firebird619 [23:26] dchmelik (i=1000@66.243.232.122) left irc: "Leaving." [23:28] hba (n=hba@189.188.160.15) left irc: "leaving" [23:29] well actually I changed the partition id right now for the install to MBR so I could install lilo and at least boot for now [23:29] Xgates: meh, chroot after in stall .. mount disk .. install grub from extra ..run grubconfig etc .. and "Bob" is your dirty uncle. [23:29] sheesh I can't believe Pat has never offered grub [23:29] its extra/ i think [23:30] oh I was just looking in extra didn't see anything [23:30] ok [23:30] for x64 [23:30] Xgates but look; it's your sys, you can do whatever you want to it [23:30] you dont need permission. [23:30] it's not windows where you have to struggle against the os [23:30] linux dists are a starting point. [23:30] well I was the first one to build a grub slackpack for distribution about 8 years ago, I thought it would of caught on by now [23:30] LOL [23:31] same with the kernel [23:31] dont wait for others to do something [23:31] maddslacker (n=corey@c-71-196-190-154.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:32] how do i change the keymap, I'm using blackbox, typing km in xterm isnt working, not as root either. [23:32] xmodmap thingy? [23:33] ughh, wont run from xterm cuz it cant open display [23:33] make a display env var [23:33] I installed easytag from slackbuilds, and i have id3lib installed, but I have no mp3 support. any ideas [23:33] export it too [23:34] adjust the ./configure options [23:34] uhh, how do i make a display env var? [23:34] export DISPLAY=:0 [23:34] xmodmap [23:35] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] unable to open display ':0' [23:35] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [23:36] hmm [23:36] dchmelik (i=1000@66.243.232.122) joined ##slackware. [23:36] xmodmap -display :0 [23:36] you're running a term on x? [23:37] yep [23:37] k [23:37] i'm running xterm from the openbox menu [23:37] k, not relevent tho [23:37] hmmm [23:37] the other terminal app [23:37] worked [23:37] k [23:38] vukovar (n=vukovar@CPE-121-214-57-207.lnse4.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [23:38] its a terminal app [23:38] k [23:38] it needs me to load a keymap file i think [23:39] where would the UK keymap be? [23:39] under x11/lib i think [23:39] droog (n=droog@71-34-72-48.ptld.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [23:40] hmm; here its linked to share/kbd (loadkey's dir) [23:40] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [23:40] i dint know the keymap file is the same for x and loadkeys bin [23:40] Gethsemane (n=Gethsema@cpe-173-168-248-159.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:40] Anyone able to provide some quick support? [23:41] just ask a real question [23:41] dont query like that pls [23:41] Haha. Well, I have been trying to get Flash to work on slack 13.0 64-bit for a few hours now. [23:41] approved method: ``hi; [problem text]'' [23:41] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [23:41] maddslacker (n=corey@c-71-196-190-154.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:42] Obviously googled as much as I could for a few hours and have yet to solve the problem. [23:42] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [23:42] does lshal mention usb devices? [23:42] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [23:42] xmod gave me errors opening /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty/uk.map.gz [23:42] do i need to gunzip it? [23:42] does that file exist? [23:42] not usually [23:42] yep [23:42] it does [23:42] i did ls [23:43] unzip it [23:43] nope [23:43] fails... [23:43] gave me even more errors [23:43] what errors? [23:44] does anyone know how to link xfce's workspace switcher in the panel to compiz's desktop wall? [23:44] not i [23:44] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-1-213.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:44] Reticenti: It's automatic iirc. [23:44] Uh... [23:45] How do I run 32-bit binaries on Slackware64? [23:45] I have multilib installed [23:45] just call em [23:45] firebird619: not mine, desktop wall makes an instance of itself in each xfce workspae [23:45] uhh how do i copy out of a terminal? [23:45] http://www.shamboni.com/pictures/07012008163848MS%20PAint.jpg [23:45] copy what? [23:45] compgenius999: which terminal? [23:45] the errors [23:45] rvxt [23:45] Problem: LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/lib64/firefox-3.5.2/plugins/libflashplayer.so wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 [23:45] or something [23:45] cmd otps 2>&1 >file [23:45] otps/opts [23:45] rxvt* [23:46] Reti have you got flash to work with 64 bit 13.0? [23:46] ag3ntugly (n=x@72.47.155.154) joined ##slackware. [23:46] compgenius999: Just highlight what you want, it automatically copies, then use middle mouse button to paste wherever. [23:46] That's my problem atm. [23:46] Reticenti: ok, I have compiz installed here, let me check it out. sec. [23:46] Gethsemane: I don't have 64bit [23:46] Okay, thanks anyways. [23:47] http://xrl.in/36x9 [23:47] whats that? [23:47] quiznos, those r the errors pastebinned [23:47] ok [23:47] Gethsemane: What flash issues are you having? [23:47] I think I found out what the problem is anyways. Seems to be it's downloading the 32 bit plugin. I'm such a newb. [23:47] slack is running on my other computer so i had to shorten with xrl.in [23:47] Firefox is 64bit version but adobe.com is giving me the 32bit flash. [23:47] compgenius999 ok that means that the files are not compat tween loadkeys and xmodmap [23:48] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left ##slackware. [23:48] Gethsemane: In extra/ there is a slackbuild that will get 64bit flash and make a package for you to install. [23:49] compgenius999 google "xmodmap config" hit #2 a wiki page [23:49] I actually am just getting back into Linux and its been awhile. Probably take you too long to give me those steps to do that. [23:49] ilj (n=ilj@195.88.15.2) joined ##slackware. [23:50] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [23:50] Anjo_Malvado (i=1000@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "Saindo" [23:50] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:50] Reticenti: Ok, so you want it so that when you click a workspace in xfce's workspace switcher, it automatically switches with compiz's Desktop Wall or Cube plugin (whichever one you're using)? [23:51] firebird619: correct [23:51] Thanks FIrebird I actually found the 64 bit plugin, just didn't know why I didn't think of it before. [23:51] Reticenti: Hmm, ok. That's what it's doing here by default. :P [23:51] do you have viewport switcher on, firebird619 [23:51] Reticenti: Umm, I believe so, let me check [23:52] Reticenti: nope :P [23:52] firebird619: are you using desktop wall? [23:52] cube [23:52] I'll try wall, sec. [23:54] Reticenti: works with wall too. Viewport switcher is off [23:55] hmmm [23:55] thats weird [23:55] works with viewport switch on too. :P [23:55] this one pertains to Quiznos http://www.shamboni.com/pictures/07022008095533children.jpg [23:56] hahahaha [23:56] lol,antiwire [23:56] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [23:56] so firebird619 when you move to another workspace, xfce's workspace switcher in panel knows where you are? [23:56] yeah [23:57] weird [23:57] uhh the problem is [23:57] mine doesnt do that [23:57] i need to get @ to write @ and not " [23:57] Reticenti: you fail. :P [23:57] and " to write " not @ [23:57] wow, i just noticed, ssh is running, i've just hacked my own root [23:57] lol... [23:57] reminds e of how the c64 was setup [23:58] s/e/me [23:58] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) joined ##slackware. [23:58] heh, I don't have compiz on, Terminal is transparent, I turn compiz on, NO transparency. :P [23:59] You'd think that'd be the other way around [23:59] dchmelik (i=1000@66.243.232.122) left irc: "Leaving." [00:00] --- Fri Sep 25 2009