[00:00] anyone know where the wireless manager is in Xfce? [00:00] the cream of like a racial mix? [00:00] NO, more like the soure tase of the bottom of the ice-cream box [00:00] sour* [00:01] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) joined ##slackware. [00:01] Noobsause: it's in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf [00:02] eww, theres not network manager? [00:02] the manager is you, your keyboard your tool. [00:02] Hmm good answer [00:02] anoying, but correct [00:03] Noobsause: if you must use a gui tool there is wicd in /extra [00:03] Wait... Did you just call me annoying? [00:03] Action: agentc0re slaps twolf [00:03] why'd you tell him? [00:03] he needs to learn. [00:03] hehe =) [00:03] Ftw [00:04] So you call people annoying who help you out eh? [00:04] so, the fact that the uter taste of the last bit of summer must be stored in the very epitomy or sadness, aka the /ect folder [00:05] shamefull, totaly shamefull [00:08] You know what i mean? [00:09] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:09] Gues wrong. [00:10] You guessed right. [00:10] SM177Y (n=SM177Y__@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:11] Noobsause: ok, im here.. i was reading slashdot :-) [00:11] Noobsause: wicd is your freind [00:11] Noobsause: it is in extra/ on the DVD [00:11] hey cant get ndiswrapper to load up. modprobe ndiswrapper just gives module not found. its in /etc/modprobe.d and in /lib/modules i used a slack package from linux packages. might not be working right because it is for a slightly different kernel version but i also tried compiling from source and it wont compile either [00:11] thats why i tried a package [00:12] macavity:You are like a breath of fresh air [00:12] Noobsause: thank you :-) [00:12] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [00:13] anyone?? [00:13] Noobsause: but here is one hint: if you dont like to manually dig into /etc, then i can pretty much guarantee that you wont become a close freind of slackware [00:13] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:13] macavity:haha no problem, that is Noob stuffz [00:14] Noobsause: slackware was spawned out of the Do It Your Self Department From Hell(TM) [00:14] macavity:FTFW! [00:14] trying to compile from source gives me a bunch of "incompatible pointer type" warnings....grr [00:14] ive never had a problem with ndis in slackware b4 [00:14] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:14] macavity: exactly why i pointed him to wpa_supplicant [00:15] agentc0re: though that approach is a bit of a bore for laptops [00:16] macavity: Well at least he'd learn a thing or two. [00:16] agentc0re: i was inquiring about a GUI network inferface [00:16] Noobsause: You can see the CLI right, so there ya go. [00:16] Noobsause: check the contents of the wicd package.. there is a gui gizmo in there [00:17] Noobsause: check http://slackbook.org for details on how to inspect the contents of an installed package :P [00:17] macavity:thats more like it! [00:18] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [00:18] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:19] european beer = major buzz:) [00:19] everyone: I IZ so msart! i Uzd instalpkd!!! Woot! [00:20] Noobsause: generally the slackbook will get you up to speed on pretty much anything you need to travel on the enlightened road of the brave [00:21] Noobsause: one hint: dont call installpkg when you mean upgradepkg! (slackware obeys you blindly.. even if you act foolishly) [00:21] ok i tried using insmod on it and it says invalid module format...obviously not lolz [00:21] macavity:But, i did use installpkg [00:22] Noobsause: you should.. as you didnt have the package.. but if you "install" anything from patches/ you do it with upgradepkg [00:22] hitest: Thats a good thing! I'm drinking a Schneider Weisse right now. It's a little on the sweet side for me. [00:23] Noobsause: patches/ is on your local ftp mirror... dont forget to read ChangeLog.txt for any head ups [00:23] othermindszine (n=othermin@165.sub-75-216-0.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:23] macavity:is there a update claint? [00:23] client? [00:23] slackpkg [00:23] macavity:Kk ty [00:23] .. but slackpkg doesnt save your arse either [00:24] ok i think i found a needed kernel patch [00:24] you are supposed to know if Patrick wrote "these two new packages replaces this old one" in the changelog [00:24] how do i implement a .patch? [00:24] or whatever.. [00:25] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.69.57) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:25] SM177Y: patch(1) [00:26] thx [00:26] lol [00:26] SM177Y (n=SM177Y__@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:26] Whitch update mirrior should i use? [00:26] Or are they all the same [00:26] Noobsause: the one that gives you the fastest download [00:26] Noobsause: i use ftp.slackware.no [00:27] pattwo (n=patrick@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [00:27] macavity:damn you have your stuffz down [00:27] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:28] macavity:hmmm belgiun has good coclate, i think i will go with them [00:28] Noobsause: where do you live? [00:28] macavity:california [00:29] pick a US based on then [00:29] *one [00:29] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:29] hang on.. let me look up one with a 10Gbit pipe for you [00:30] wtf, http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10226746-92.html [00:30] Noobsause: http://www.slackware.com/getslack/list.php?country=USA [00:31] so i delete the whole config file [00:31] and put that? [00:31] nooo [00:31] you just uncomment the one you want [00:31] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:31] macavity: Okay, i think you were correct earlier. [00:31] that is, remove the leading # [00:31] on what? [00:32] kk just the url? [00:32] or the ftp to [00:32] macavity: He has to be someone that is in this channel, and now he/she is having fun trolling the shit out of us/you. [00:32] Agent, are you talking about me? [00:33] mibbitman [00:33] Good, because i am not doing that. [00:33] agentc0re: i was not the one to assume that.. you were [00:33] Noobsause: you just remove the # at the mirror you want to use [00:34] macavity: hehe i got it =) [00:34] Noobsause: ftp is preferable [00:34] Anakin- (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [00:34] why? http is faster isn't it? [00:35] http is more useful, but ftp is faster [00:35] i thought.. [00:35] macavity: Heh, checked the log. With the beer goggles on, i saw your name for something chopp said earlier. [00:35] i would think the preference is to use a mirror near you and then a protocol it supports. [00:35] I would think either are equally as fast and only dependent on the client/host. [00:36] i use a local mirror, and rsync it with a nearby one. [00:36] Noobsause: ftp://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-12.2/ is probably the fastest thing going near you [00:37] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:37] macavity:thanks [00:37] yht (n=yht@114.121.24.105) joined ##slackware. [00:37] OC-48 should do the trick :P [00:37] damn.. i would so love one of those babies [00:38] 2.5Gbit is good enough for me [00:38] Gryphyn (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:38] you call that enough? [00:38] all the mirrors on OC are slower for me [00:38] I call 10g enough! [00:38] fastest mirror for me is GA tech [00:38] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) joined ##slackware. [00:38] the pipe is only half the equation [00:39] I bet they have their OC-48 QOS'd down for their mirrors so they only get X ammount of bandwidth. [00:39] if even that [00:39] /c/c [00:39] shit [00:39] denied :P [00:39] LOL [00:39] hey robbie :-) [00:39] :) [00:41] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [00:42] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [00:44] ok.. dont ever tell anyone.. but right now i am downloading Kubuntu 9.04 :P [00:44] macavity:WHATT??? WHY????!!!! NO!!! [00:44] heh [00:44] I smell bleach [00:45] copland-leopard (n=copland-@209.241.118.121) left irc: [00:46] Noobsause: i dont want to maintain other peoples boxes.. and someone is so freaking fed up with Vista that they are willing to try something else [00:46] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:46] macavity: you're dead to me. [00:46] lulz.. i think i have clicked around in vista for, what, 7 minutes all in all [00:47] Spook: i envy you [00:47] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [00:47] Noobsause: you really shouldnt [00:47] spook: i know, thats the scary part. [00:47] my life is just sex, uni, and booze [00:48] spook: because i am not prepared to work for free for someone who doesnt even understand the general concept of "folders"? [00:48] Spook: its like the cold winter breeze guzzling past an open flame of diversity [00:48] macavity: Then tell them that a PC is just not for them. [00:48] Noobsause: also, i live in the most remote state capital in the world. [00:48] someones gotta break it to them, why not you? [00:48] spook: wait, unisex? ;) [00:48] macavity: still dead to me :P [00:49] agentc0re: "but, but, then i cant go to facebook... there is no TeleText version of facebook, is there?" [00:49] agentc0re: not really. [00:49] macavity: There is no facebook. [00:49] my point exactly [00:49] macavity:ROFL lobster. [00:49] WHAT? [00:49] echo facebook.com 127.0.0.1 >> /etc/hosts [00:49] no, agentc0re. there's no one like macavity [00:50] urm, you dont understand the concept of ROFL lobsters? [00:50] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:50] Noobsause: pardon me.. but most of the residents in this place are not well versed in the latest trends of the kindernet ;-) [00:51] macavity: or in bondage :P [00:51] Not nearly as well as the concept of "I think I'll clatter on like a drunk teenage girl and then wonder why everyone thinks I'm a moron" [00:51] damn, i like bondage [00:52] spook: we are not well versed in bondage?.. i must have entered the wrong room then ;-) [00:52] Action: dive unchains the gimp [00:52] Reading the channel scrollback from earlier was painful. [00:52] macavity: most arent, you are :P [00:52] rworkman: yes.. it wasnt pretty [00:52] rworkman, what like '/c' a few dozen times ;p [00:52] rworkman: yeah it was eventful:) [00:52] when i use tar -zxvf (filename) where does the extracted files go? [00:52] i think my conflict solving skillz has declined a little [00:52] Noobsause: in . [00:52] Noobsause: they go into `pwd` [00:53] Shit like that on days like this make me want to just say "fuck it" on trying to be a reasonable chanop. [00:53] Spook:fail [00:53] Noobsause: also you can just use xvf [00:53] Noobsause: update to your tar-fu: -z and -j are not needed anymore [00:53] Noobsause: spook is correct. [00:53] rworkman: have a beer and take a moment ;) [00:53] damn.. pwned by the spook [00:54] Damn it i like -zxvf! i just wanta no where teh stuff goz! [00:54] rworkman: nah on days like this we need you here, man [00:54] andarius: already had that before I even considered conversation here. [00:54] Heh, how far back in the scroll back was this? [00:54] good man ;) [00:54] Noobsause: he told you. [00:54] Noobsause: it goes into $PWD [00:54] macavity: no way [00:54] . or `pwd` [00:55] spook: or pwnd? [00:55] execute the program pwd [00:55] o wow. [00:55] I just got ownd. [00:55] teehee :P [00:56] we told you.. all of us :P [00:56] what.. you ended up on noobfarm? [00:56] Did you expect otherwise? [00:56] Noobsause: Have you read or even looked at the slackbook link macavity gave you earlier? [00:56] Noobsause: do you know what "rite of passage" means? :P [00:56] rworkman: I think he did. [00:56] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:56] Dominian: Probably. [00:56] agentc0re: :) [00:57] people are a lot nicer about that kind of behaviour than they used to be [00:57] Urg, I did, just so many words [00:57] would rather go watch anime [00:57] uhoh [00:57] neurosys (n=neurosys@88.240.102.117) joined ##slackware. [00:57] you live, you learn... or you parish :P [00:57] twolf: you may be about to see the "old" behavior. :) [00:57] and i cant spell in english [00:57] anyone no how to install libnet? [00:58] we all do [00:58] rworkman: Well, right now i would agree. [00:58] fomne [00:58] fine [00:58] dont tell me [00:58] Noobsause: make install ? [00:58] ill do it! [00:58] Noobsause: hint: slackbuilds.org/howto [00:58] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/libnet/ [00:58] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [00:58] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Client Quit [00:58] Action: rworkman fetches another Xingu [00:58] Noobsause: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+install+libnet [00:59] junpa (n=caesar@pacman.sawbox.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:59] sbopkg - b libnet [00:59] Does POSIX give a way to tell how many files are in a directory, other than opendir() and counting readdir()? [00:59] junpa (n=caesar@pacman.sawbox.org) joined ##slackware. [00:59] spaceplo_ (i=SpacePlo@72.20.48.65) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:59] pi31415: i dont think so [00:59] agentc0re: suprisingly that took alot of hardship and devotion to do [00:59] pi31415: but i *could* be wrong [00:59] pi31415: check info glibc [01:00] ahh yeah.. white zombie [01:00] "no menu item `glibc'" [01:00] Noobsause: No it didn't, i just cut and paste what you typed. [01:00] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [01:00] pi31415: sorry, info libc [01:00] agentc0re:sacrasm. [01:01] Considering that getdirentries(3) says to use opendir(3) and readdir(3) instead, I suspect that the answer is no. :) [01:01] that sounds... bondishly not pleasant. [01:02] hrm, there's scandir(3) perhaps [01:02] scandir does what i want, though it is not posix [01:03] CONFORMING TO alphasort() and scandir() are specified in POSIX.1-2008, and are widely available. versionsort() is a GNU extension. [01:03] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.93.227) joined ##slackware. [01:03] http://pastebin.com/m60a7a36d :D [01:03] gm152_ (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:03] you must have newer man pages than me =) "None of these functions is in POSIX.1-2001" [01:03] agentc0re: yes, because women are not expected around geeks. [01:04] pi31415: man-pages-3.20 [01:04] I think i want to make that a shirt. [01:04] are men expected to be around geeks? [01:05] Probably. [01:05] pi31415: likely, yes. :) [01:05] dawn again. [01:05] pi31415: you can grab the latest man-pages package from -current and upgrade it, regardless of Slackware version. [01:05] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:06] there is always that exception of nix_chix0r though. [01:06] and others :D [01:06] i got ettercap sucsefully working =) [01:06] arn't you proud? [01:07] of your spelling ability? Sure. ;-) [01:07] Or the lack there of. [01:07] hmm that could be 'uttercrap' too ;P [01:08] good name for an app [01:08] uddercap [01:08] durdurdurcap-ng [01:08] uttercrap [01:09] uddercap-ng are those newfangled ones with support built in. [01:09] So i got this breathalizer from thinkgeek. A couple weekends ago, was my birthday and like any good American citizen does I got drunk as shit. I think my last blow was a 0.27. What was even better is that i remembered the whole night. [01:10] agentc0re, that 'remembering' disappears as you get older. [01:10] wow fail, is there a repo for wireless cards? [01:10] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [01:10] agentc0re, as do your brain cells [01:10] Noobsause: go to your nearest electronics retailer [01:11] ... [01:11] Or look here: http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ [01:11] dive: I'm sure it does. Funny thing about that is when you're younger, you forget easier. So I must be at my peek right now, or i just drank to much at my younger ages. Shit i'm still young, only turned 27. [01:11] NacI: Ty [01:11] np [01:12] Noobsause: what wifi card is that? [01:12] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [01:12] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@12.77.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:13] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.35.158) joined ##slackware. [01:15] nite all:) [01:15] nite [01:15] macavity: realtek stuzz [01:15] pilipo (n=pilipo@122.55.51.202) joined ##slackware. [01:16] macavity: wow fail that website doesn't have a driver for it [01:16] nite macavity:) [01:16] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [01:16] ola [01:16] agentc0re, try salt and celery - salt is good for brain activity and celery for cell repair apparently [01:17] not that I've tried it [01:17] Noobsause: pastebin the output of lspci [01:17] well, not in those capacities [01:19] dive: that doesn't sound like it will mix well with my beer though. [01:19] probably not, celery cocktail anyone? [01:19] mmmm... vegetables [01:20] pilipo (n=pilipo@122.55.51.202) left irc: Client Quit [01:21] hughszg (n=hugh_2@218.82.203.220) joined ##slackware. [01:22] Necos: i am now able to make my slackware display chinese under console correctly, (no x or kde installed) [01:23] hughszg, sounds good - which font are you using, and have you got console as utf-8? [01:25] mmm raw veggies.... deliciouso! [01:25] hi dive, [01:25] hi [01:25] I thought i have got console as utf-8 [01:25] but now i'm confused [01:26] I've done three things, first set lang.sh export lang=zh_CN.utf-8 [01:26] second, change /etc/lilo.conf append="vt.default_utf8=0 to 1 [01:26] yep second is the way [01:26] last download and installed zhcon [01:27] then my console is all good after run zhcon [01:27] is the utf-8 on the end case sensitive? [01:27] yes, I'm just lazy to press shift here :) [01:27] but just now I've tried irssi, [01:28] Are you screening it? [01:28] to join #ubuntu-cn, then prompts i'm using gb9310 something like that [01:28] hughszg, did you /set term_charset UTF8? [01:28] shoot #ubuntu in the asshole [01:28] then I set #screen -U [01:28] and /save [01:29] hi dive, I've done so [01:29] but after a reboot I can't got chinese displayed! [01:29] that's pretty much all you need I think [01:29] oh [01:29] I can now only alt-f2 to get chinese displayed correctly, [01:30] strange [01:30] i believe I have changed something in alt-f1 by issuing screen -U [01:30] how to change it back? have I explained clearly? :( [01:30] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] Howdy antler. Haven't seen you much (or maybe it's the other way around?) [01:31] hughszg, have you put 'encoding UTF-8' in .screenrc? [01:32] and you might want to try 'screen -a -U' [01:32] dive: i'm not sure, should I check it in /usr/local/etc/.screenrc? or just under my home dir? [01:32] home dir [01:33] dive: what does -a stand for? [01:33] will it change all my seven console to be the same as alt-f1? [01:33] full capabilities of terminal [01:33] I will now check my .screenrc [01:34] there is no .screenrc, but just a .screen dir [01:34] hughszg, it will only affect the consoles running screen, and you will need to either restart screen or source the .screenrc [01:34] copy /etc/screenrc to ~/.screenrc and edit it there [01:34] i am guna dos my self !! WOOT! [01:35] FTW! [01:35] junpa (n=caesar@pacman.sawbox.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:35] junpa (n=caesar@pacman.sawbox.org) joined ##slackware. [01:35] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430065.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:36] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:36] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:37] Noobsause (i=47ccbacb@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b14f542e64c67d01) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [01:37] Looks like he did win. [01:37] hi dive, i will add encoding ... now and let you know the results later [01:37] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:37] k [01:40] wahooooo (i=Keltus@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:41] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Client Quit [01:43] Anakin- (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:44] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:45] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:45] dive add the encoding, then reboot, all back to normal after running zhcon. but when I visit #ubuntu-cn, it still says I'm using gb1829 or something like that, then I set /set term_charset utf-8, again all in a mess now [01:47] it seems that my Screen changed from tty1 to pts1 when I issue 'screen -a -U' [01:48] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [01:48] neurosys (n=neurosys@88.240.102.117) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:49] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Client Quit [01:50] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [01:52] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:57] hughszg, yes screen uses a virtual pts console [01:57] try it without -U perhaps [01:57] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:57] it has to use pts [01:57] Gatto (n=Romeo~@host125-17-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:58] otherwise you cant really connect to it from anywhere [01:58] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [01:58] hughszg, where are you seeing this gb1829 message exactly? [01:58] Gatto (n=Romeo~@host125-17-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [01:59] frullet (n=Bob@124-171-59-12.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:59] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:00] morning [02:01] morning [02:01] irssi [02:01] "(04/25/2009 12:00:49 AM) frullet: morning" Yes it is. heh. [02:01] by 49 seconds. [02:01] the default encoding of my zhcon is gb2312, [02:01] morning frullet. How are you? [02:01] agentc0re: its 3:30 PM here, cant seem to break my sleeping pattern [02:02] firebird619: cant complain yourself? [02:02] frullet: Doing great. Thank you. [02:03] dive: under irssi it's gb18030 [02:03] Sat Apr 25 02:03:05 EDT 2009 [02:04] The Moon is New [02:04] stillborn (n=blow_my_@MMMCMXXVI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [02:04] Next SubGenius holiday: May 31 Desecration Day [02:04] morning andarius ;p [02:04] morning dive [02:04] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.9/2009040820]" [02:05] Hi andarius. How are you? [02:05] salutations firebird619. i am well. you ? [02:05] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [02:05] andarius: I'm doing great. Thank you. [02:05] hughszg, where are you seeing this in irssi exactly? /set term_charset? [02:06] Gryphyn (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:06] Is it possible to mount a FOLDER with readonly permissions? [02:06] or does it have to be a partition? [02:06] dive: I connect to irc.freenode then join ubuntu-cn and then post some chinese, [02:06] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:07] there will be a message say "xxxx" in gb18030 but we say UTF-8 here [02:07] so ##SlackWare [02:07] hai [02:07] guess what i just found [02:07] hughszg, try '/set term_charset gb2312' perhaps [02:08] i just found 4CD-sets of both slackware 3.2 and 3.6 in my bookshelf [02:09] dive: will that solve the irc freenode utf-8 issue? [02:09] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:09] no idea but if your charset is gb2312 it might do [02:10] let me try [02:10] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [02:10] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:12] dive: nope, i've set after your advice, it still doesn't function [02:12] and that message is from freenode? [02:13] or irssi? [02:14] froobnoob (n=schmerz@c-71-204-186-203.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:14] hi agentc0re yeah long time. how've you been? :) [02:14] Hay, i just opened terminal after trying to install flash, and now there is nothign [02:15] Like, no nothing, just a black screen [02:15] its phail [02:15] Anyone know how to flush ternimal or sometin? [02:15] fail troller [02:16] Anyone no? Zomg? [02:16] or like re-install terminal [02:16] schneiderr (n=me@p54BBBDDC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [02:18] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "wow, and thats all i got to say about that..." [02:18] froobnoob == noobsauce [02:18] urg, how u no? [02:18] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:18] gbonvehi (i=1000@200.69.244.1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:18] we are leet :P [02:18] /whois [02:18] but i think it is a known bug [02:18] you mean Terminal from XFCE, right? [02:18] antler: I'm good. Did you go back to slamd64 yet? [02:19] yes [02:19] i belive rworkman knows something about it [02:19] macavity, terminal from xfce [02:19] froobnoob: have you checked for updates? [02:19] How do i do that without terminal? [02:19] haha fail. [02:20] frullet: Troll is written all over him but it's like he's a half breed or something. [02:20] Anyone know how to update without terminal? [02:21] don't use X [02:21] froobnoob: you could log out of X and just call slackpkg upgrade? [02:21] BP{k}++ [02:21] macavity: ohh a durr...wow thats smart. [02:21] or use another terminal .. like xterm or whatever. [02:21] macavity: why didn't i think of dat thanks [02:21] no.. that is common sense :P [02:22] YOUR COMON SENCE!! [02:22] agentc0re: good to hear. no, i've had good luck with vlc and slackware, so.... [02:22] Probably because of the lack in your spelling skillzzzzzzzzz. [02:22] froobnoob (n=schmerz@c-71-204-186-203.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:22] antler: haha. [02:22] antler: Why did you need vlc again? [02:23] agentc0re: subtitles. we have friends who need cp1251 :P [02:23] so when they come over to watch movies, well, you know.... gotta make the guests happy :) [02:23] agentc0re: nature has a tendency to weed them out :P [02:24] i think this dood is legit [02:24] agentc0re: especially the wife's friends. make them happy, she's happy; she's happy, i'm happy. hahah [02:24] .. just a little dim lit [02:24] frullet: Nature is slow. Why has he existed for so long already? [02:24] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:25] antler: happy wife = happy second brain, if you know what i mean. [02:25] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [02:25] lulz [02:25] antler: I have no idea what cp1251 is though. [02:25] agentc0re: i know exactly what you mean. cp1251 allows for vietnamese subtitles. [02:25] some slavic language? [02:25] ah ok [02:25] Ahhh, Me so horny.... [02:26] me love you long time [02:26] exactly! [02:26] why can't this be done with anything else? [02:26] doesnt xine support subtitles in cp1251? [02:26] it works fine with subtitles in Danish [02:26] I'm guessing no Vietnamese support? [02:27] agentc0re: i've tried w/ mplayer, but it appears i'm not skilled enough for that task. macavity : i didn't have much luck with xine, though it did do the job--just not well [02:27] Xine is what i use for all video playing. [02:27] Never had an issue with it. [02:28] DeiBellum (n=rwaters@dhcp132159.salley.fsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [02:28] xine appears to be either-love-or-hate with people in here :P [02:28] Action: toastytoast is sad [02:28] good morning/evening everyone [02:28] hello [02:28] i can't install slackware on my old toshiba laptop [02:28] Windows-1251 (a.k.a. code page CP1251) is a popular 8-bit character encoding, designed to cover languages that use the Cyrillic alphabet such as Russian, Bulgarian and other languages. [02:28] oops .. damm scrollback [02:29] it kernel panics out of memory while trying to boot off the cd [02:29] toastytoast: that might be a hint about getting more RAM for it [02:29] toastytoast: how old are we talking? [02:29] Action: antler gives BP{k} a double jd on the rocks. go back to your drinking :) [02:29] it has 64mb how much more does it need? [02:29] O_O [02:30] that *should* suffice [02:30] antler: that's some sound advice ;) [02:30] macavity: nah. I think you need more for 12.2 [02:30] which is why i'm wondering cuz my friend has installed slack on a machine with 16mb of ram [02:30] have you tried optimizing the kernel for size? [02:30] BP{k}: but the *kernel* should at least not poop out on 64mb alone [02:30] BP{k}: still fighting insanity, my friend? [02:31] i tried running the default hugesmp.s and huge.s both kernel panic before i can get to setup [02:31] You know what would be cool? If we learned how to look billions of lightyears away and then reflect it as if that area we were focusing on was looking back on us and look at us in the point of view from billions of lightyears away so we could see our own past. [02:31] BP{k}: how's you and kethry_ ? [02:31] antler: insanity is just part of me ;) I am good, keth is fast asleep :D [02:32] toastytoast, what you could do is build a relocatable kernel that is optimized for your system and has the "optimize for size" option enabled [02:32] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:32] toastytoast, then build it on a nother system and port it over to yours [02:32] BP{k}: :) [02:32] i supose i could try i'll see what i can do [02:32] [07-04-2009][19:44] ( alienBOB) Actually for Slackware 12.2 it is a bit more than 64 MB [02:33] ^^^ nuff said. [02:33] http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=E8EFE6A7EA479666 [02:33] ok, then why not do an optimized Slackware 12.1 -> 12.2 install/upgrade path? [02:34] or go with -current :) [02:34] i know [02:34] i'll install 3.2 :) [02:34] that works too, there is a link somewhere to that release [02:34] although I am not sure how far that is going, but alienBOB said the installer for -current should work again on < 64MB [02:34] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-235.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:34] i'm pretty sur ei dled the iso already [02:35] Read this? http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/installing-to-a-machine-with-64mb-ram/ [02:35] ftp://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-3.2-iso/ [02:37] there ya go [02:37] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [02:37] Action: BP{k} fails to see the use of installing something like 3.2 [02:37] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@86.87.56.78) joined ##slackware. [02:37] better to follow the article witz just posted [02:37] heh, good ole UofU having 3.2 [02:37] BP{k}, just to say you ran it [02:38] DeiBellum: I did ;) [02:38] BP{k}, lol well that solves that :P [02:38] yeah i am/did reading it now [02:39] Whoa, cool. We can only see 13.5 billion light years back in the past. [02:39] BP{k}: wow. you ran 3.2? i started using slackware 12.0 (four or five months(?) before 12.1 came out) yeah, i'm the fng. :D [02:39] It's our Lightyear Horizon. [02:39] antler: roughly guessing I probably started with slackware for the first time around the 2.1/2.2 release [02:39] Java blows goatcheese. [02:40] Hrm, sorry, that slippede. [02:40] well the laptop should have 128 by monday [02:40] rworkman++ [02:40] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:40] rworkman: why don't you tell us how you really feel? ;) [02:40] Apparently I'll have to uninstall jre so that facebook won't crash firefox. [02:40] cuz i had a friend who i let use an old dell laptop i had the dell doesn't work anymore but the ram shoudl still be good i hopew [02:40] rworkman: just run away from facebook... as fast as you can [02:41] rworkman: noscript? [02:41] are people still using facebook? the novelty hasn't worn off? :P [02:41] In a bit of cruel humor, they put a link that says "Trouble? Try our Simple Uploader" that shines at you *after* the java-based image uploaded freezes the browser. [02:41] i use myfacwe and spacebook [02:41] nullzombie (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [02:41] I happen to like facebook. It's a far sight better than that abomination called myspace. [02:41] LOL [02:41] i agree with that. [02:41] Ill second that statement [02:41] i was planning on nopt getting either [02:41] facebook > myspace [02:42] AFK(Real Life) > Facebook > Myspace [02:42] but my friends have them and they wer elike get one so i got one [02:42] the only things i dont like about basefook are a) the apps, and b) the users [02:42] antler: well I didn't really *use* slackware back then, played with it a bit, didn't understand it. I started playing with it back around 10.1/10.2 release [02:42] macavity, so you dislike your friends? :P [02:42] DeiBellum: he doesn't have any ;-) [02:42] i dont have any freinds [02:42] ah, much better. Sad that I have to uninstall jre to unbreak firefox. [02:42] see. [02:42] hahaha [02:42] BP{k}: i had no idea what linux was until i used 12.0 :P [02:42] Action: DeiBellum hands BP{k} a cookie for calling it [02:43] macavity: I don't care much for most of the "apps" on there. [02:43] i used to have an problem with youtyube crashing firefox [02:43] i don't remeber how i fixed it [02:43] but i did [02:43] you probably updated flash [02:43] nope i know it wasn't that [02:44] It's likely something to do with browser cache or some such here. The java-based uploaded worked fine about 20 minutes ago, but now it doesn't. [02:44] it was crashing with the newest flashplayer [02:44] It will likely work fine tomorrow. [02:44] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [02:44] soon i will be ready to migrate to -current [02:44] BP{k}: slight exaggeration. i knew what it was from my university days; i just had no interest in using it. [02:45] i am really looking forward to konqueror 4 [02:45] Action: macavity belongs to the select breed who happen to hate firefox with a passion [02:45] macavity: what do you use now? [02:46] konqueror [02:46] links :P [02:46] i was going to say seamonkey [02:46] cuz it has a cool anme [02:46] thats the same load of bull [02:46] use elinks -g in cli right [02:46] yeah [02:47] links then hit g to open the url bar [02:47] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [02:47] i see little point in running a console based browser when i already have a full KDE session running :P [02:47] works great over ssh on a crappy connection [02:49] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:49] Action: BP{k} is gonna try that sleep thing :) [02:49] why the hell cant i find a 3.5" diameter can [02:50] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [02:50] i like konqueror since i'm running kde anyway; it's just that konq doesn't know what to do with hotmail.com -- can't write emails, in my case. [02:51] cold pizza with kebab and sucuc is freaking awesome! [02:51] there should be a UN day appointed to its praise [02:51] nandos is better [02:51] what is nandos? [02:51] 'fast food' chicken in australia [02:52] spook: pringles? [02:52] its not really fast. also they do spiciness to it [02:52] mmmmmmmm kfc. [02:52] i am not much for chicken in general [02:52] but its like a million times better than any other chicken place [02:52] however it costs more. [02:52] that generally goes hand in hand [02:52] nothing beats kfc [02:53] antler: you havent had nandos, so... [02:53] spook: i haven't, but i wonder how you know that [02:53] antler: i tried kfc once.. and it sucked.. totally soaked in oil -> eeeewww [02:53] macavity: yeah, it's greasy [02:54] antler: because otherwise you'd know that kfc sucks compared to nandos [02:54] cardiac arrest wrapped around a tasteless speed breed chicken [02:54] ... about as good as McD [02:54] macavity: nandos is quite healthy. [02:54] or as bad.. depending on how you count :P [02:55] macavity: fresh ingredients [02:55] spook: if i ever come down for a visit i will try :P [02:55] no oil/grease on the chicken. [02:55] is it like Chicken Tandori or thereabouts? [02:56] they have like 5 different choices of spiciness, so the chicken is cooked fresh. [02:56] i just happen to have an emotional attachment to kfc that dates back to 1984. :) [02:57] (as well as being addicted to the taste) [02:57] macavity: they are in the uk too [02:57] but not in Denmark [02:57] but, that leaves the option of bugging BP{k} at some point :P [02:59] http://www.nandos.com/sections.html#Nandos%20Worldwide [03:00] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [03:00] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:00] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [03:00] http://www.nandos.com/sections.html#Our%20Food < ------ heh that looks like swiss chalet [03:01] but swiss chalet chicken is tasteless [03:03] lf4 (n=KJR@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [03:03] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:04] lf4 (n=KJR@71.199.22.31) left irc: Client Quit [03:05] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [03:08] i think i'm going to buy some floppy disks [03:08] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:08] i should [03:08] sitwon_ (n=adam@pool-173-79-64-12.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:08] heh do they even sell floppies? :P [03:08] wallmart? [03:08] anyhow.. i need to crash now [03:08] internet [03:08] http://www.keenzo.com/showproduct.asp?ID=2759 [03:08] it is bloody 9 o clock in the morning... again... [03:08] ta ta for now gang [03:08] http://www.keenzo.com/showproduct.asp?ID=305878 [03:08] toastytoast: 5 1/4 or 3 1/4 [03:08] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:09] 3 1/4 [03:09] i wish i had a 5 1/4 floppy drive in my laptop [03:09] that would trully be epic [03:10] Floops (n=baihu@yo-mama.info) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:11] bijit (n=benji@200.122.188.156) joined ##slackware. [03:11] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [03:11] toastytoast: I am not sure why I take the time to make sure mine still works, I have long since moved the info. but if you still have a use for it [03:11] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) left irc: "leaving" [03:13] Floops (n=baihu@ow.n.info.tm) joined ##slackware. [03:13] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [03:16] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:18] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:18] sitwon (n=adam@pool-173-79-58-220.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:19] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [03:20] well the laptop with the floppy drive is going to be sued for perl and and all stuff i can do in cli it has a 6.4gb hdd so that prolyl plenty of space but i still liek the idea of haeing a floppy drive [03:20] people still use floppies? [03:20] i am goin to be [03:21] plus i'l be able to try some of the distros like tinhat and stuff [03:21] Why would anyone sue a floppy drive over Perl? [03:22] use* but maybe bec asue the floppy drive deserves it? [03:22] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:22] What has it ever done to you? [03:22] Bugz (n=Bugz@75.42.87.146) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:22] it gave me cancer [03:22] Action: Motoko-chan has 8 core procs and a microphone [03:22] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:22] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-12-244-134.brnt.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:22] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:22] toastytoast, that was the toaster [03:22] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:23] amn it [03:23] damn* [03:23] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-12-244-134.brnt.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:23] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-235.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:23] hughszg (n=hugh_2@218.82.203.220) left irc: "Leaving." [03:24] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. 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[03:47] Nick change: nullboy -> nullzombie [03:47] edman007 killed me yesterday [03:47] lol [03:47] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:47] he's violent. we should all take turns shanking edman007 [03:47] how and why'd he kill you? [03:47] you shank him, i'll eat his brains [03:48] Hey antler. How are you? [03:48] hi firebird619 :) [03:48] good. you? [03:48] doing great. thank you. [03:49] Action: antler pulls a hannibal lecter on edman007 's ass and removes his skull cap. [03:50] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [03:50] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:51] Action: nullzombie nom noms [03:52] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [03:52] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:52] duryodhana (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. 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[03:57] they never mention layers 8 and 9 [03:57] layers 8 and 9 are money and politics [03:58] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:58] layers 1-7 are the layers that actually do the work but layers 1-7 have a build time dep of layers 8 and 9 [03:58] duryodhana (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:58] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [03:59] if you don't have layers 8 and 9, you can't build successfully build layers 1-7 [03:59] duryodhana (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [04:00] fsck. biting one's tongue is a skill [04:00] heh [04:00] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:02] and the funny part is that layers 1-7 are really cool when you have them built but they would be way cooler if you didn't need layers 8 and 9 to build in the first place. [04:02] duryodhana (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:02] nullzombie: so true, if i understand you correctly [04:03] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:04] duryodhana (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [04:06] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:06] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [04:06] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:06] duryodhana (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:09] duryodhana (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [04:09] nullzombie: you freelance, so you're not that much affected, are you? [04:10] Time for me to get going. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. [04:10] antler: i don't feel it at all [04:10] you gotta deal with shit, yeah, but nothing like the typical cubical worker. [04:10] i've been in that position before though [04:10] nullzombie: do you mean that you're numb, now? [04:11] oh [04:11] i did CS for a medium sized global business [04:11] fireking (n=STRESSAD@201.86.181.166.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:11] duryodhana (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:11] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:12] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [04:12] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:12] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. [04:12] Nick change: yosi -> yosii [04:14] duryodhana (n=duryodha@122.167.208.101) joined ##slackware. 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When the system is stable, replace the main system disks. [05:32] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [05:37] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [05:40] kr_eten (n=quick@62.44.101.70) left irc: "Leaving" [05:42] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430065.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:43] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430065.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:43] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-168-81.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [05:44] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [05:44] yosii (n=yosi@71.143.168.182) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:44] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-168-81.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:51] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:53] hughszg (n=hugh_2@58.33.148.82) joined ##slackware. [05:53] all, when installing w3m, ./configure got a gh.s not found error, how to solve that? [05:54] I've googled but got not solution [05:58] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-230-056.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [06:00] Bischoop (n=wir@92-235-208-219.cable.ubr22.sgyl.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [06:01] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn41.78-99-3.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [06:03] it seems to have been resolved, I downloaded and installed gc6.8 from hp.com first [06:05] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.93.227) left ##slackware. [06:06] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [06:06] jgor (i=jgor@66.112.231.174) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:08] you need the c garbage collector [06:08] known a gc [06:08] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [06:08] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/development/gc/ [06:09] oh, you figured it out yourself :) [06:09] adrenaline_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:10] if you used the scripts from http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/w3m/ it clearly says that [06:12] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:12] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [06:14] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:15] jgor (i=jgor@66.112.231.174) joined ##slackware. [06:21] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [06:24] sahko: thank you [06:25] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.85.167) joined ##slackware. [06:26] Ekc (n=iskar@79-100-12-217.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [06:27] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:29] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-171.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [06:31] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-25-60.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:31] nille__ (n=nille@c-d92772d5.36-62-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [06:35] sahko: I am still getting error when installing w3m using slackbuild, the error now is [06:35] X11_w3mimg.c:799: error: 'struct x11_info' no member of "display"... blah blah [06:35] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-25-60.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [06:36] murdara (n=m@77.46.246.97) joined ##slackware. [06:36] is there command seen or something ? [06:36] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:37] murdara: sorry? [06:37] before using slackbuild, I've tried to install it by myself, got the same error when I 'make' w3m [06:39] is here on chat some bot with I can use command !seen nick or something... i`m after some guy from here, so i reallyneedit [06:40] is he your boyfriend? [06:40] fu, he is my online colege, i REALLY NEED TO SEE WHEN HE WAS HERE [06:40] sahko: do you have any idea? [06:41] !seen High_Priest [06:41] seen High_priest [06:41] ty guys, and fuck U both (hughszg and sahko) [06:41] this was a usefull channel few years ago [06:42] did it have !seen back then? [06:42] nope... thats why i`m asking for now [06:42] wasnt here to long [06:42] murdara: stop cursing others! you may misunderstand me, i'm busy on solving my w3m installation! [06:43] sahko: X11_w3mimg.c:799: error: 'struct x11_info' no member of "display"... blah blah, how to solve this? [06:44] no idea really [06:44] hughszg: sorry what to u need for w3m ? [06:44] w3m , a browser for those who don't install X [06:45] you might probably need to --disable something [06:45] hughszg: i know its a text based www browser [06:45] --disable-mouse? [06:45] hughszg: do u have gc 7.1 ? [06:45] yes [06:45] something X11 related [06:45] I've installed gc6.8, is that ok? [06:45] IF its disableable [06:45] hughszg: no, go to slackbuilds and download gc 7.1 [06:46] hughszg: u have slack 12.2 ? [06:46] why? [06:46] yes [06:46] hughszg: because it`s needed for instalation of s3m [06:46] hughszg: w3m * [06:46] ok, then I will try, thank you [06:46] slackware comes with links & lynx btw. [06:47] any specific reason you need w3m? [06:47] hughszg: its much more improved than links and lynx [06:47] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:47] sahko: no, i tried lynx, and i would like to try w3m as well, [06:47] hughszg: here`s a download link http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/development/gc/ [06:47] hughszg: to gc 7.1 [06:48] just want to learn some linux knowleages, [06:48] thanks murdara, I am downloding it [06:48] hughszg: then download w3m from here, if u didnt done it already http://downloads.sourceforge.net/w3m/w3m-0.5.2.tar.gz [06:51] :) [06:51] hughszg: i suggest you first try links then. theres elinks too in slackbuilds.org [06:51] tks, i'm working on gc, w3m package and slackbuild have been downloaded [06:52] links equals to lynx? [06:52] hughszg: gl & hf [06:52] both are better then w3m IMO. Unless you wanna see images in terminals which w3m can do [06:52] hughszg: :D [06:52] i heard that there are addditional features such tables and image display in w3m [06:52] indeed [06:54] sahko: in slackware there is no better or worse, there is only given choice to everyone.... [06:54] Ilie (i=1000@93.112.81.25) joined ##slackware. [06:54] sahko: how long are u using slack ? [06:54] i agree. but slackware doesnt develop applications.. [06:54] elinks is better than all browsers [06:54] sahko: yes but we are the developers.... excuse me, associate of developpers [06:55] sahko: when u compile something for the first time (if u remmember the beryl sourced packages from couple years ago), users were they who improved and maked tgz packages [06:56] sahko: after all wrong and broken source builds... [06:56] i dont see the point of this, sorry. Linux distributions, as much as some people want to call em a complete OS are just a collection of applications + the kernel [06:56] Ubuntu is trying to change that [06:56] sahko: what are u doing then here ? Go to ubuntu channel and be point+click user, or just install windows [06:57] murdara: you miss the point [06:57] when after SlackBuilding, the packages will be renamed with SBo.tgz? what does SBo stand for ? [06:57] sahko , how it changes ubuntu that ? [06:57] sahko: no i didnt... linux distributions are not just application + kernel [06:57] Ilie: by trying to develop/add features to applications downstream [06:57] Ilie: its not disscusionable.... :) [06:57] it's based on debian sid + the latest applications + a new theme :) [06:57] hughszg: SlackBuilds.org [06:57] Ilie: Gj :D [06:57] how ubuntu changes that ? [06:58] XGizzmo: gaved him links :D [06:58] Ilie: i just told you [06:58] XGizzmo_ thanks [06:59] you should look closely to see if ubuntu really contributes back to the comunity as you say [06:59] Ilie: i didnt say contribute back, or either if adding features downstream is good, in fact its not. i am saying that its a fact [07:00] I presume you're an ubuntu user right ? [07:00] murdara: even gc7.1 doesn't solve the issue [07:00] Ilie: never been [07:01] slackwarer ? [07:01] X11_w3mimg.c:799: error: 'struct x11_info' no member of "display"... blah blah [07:01] Ilie: anyway, it might be my fault , i am not capable enough to make you see the point (if any) of what i am writing here [07:02] sahko: first of all Ubuntu is only free version of debian, and like Fedora (red had), they are giving 50% working OS to people, so USERS can tell them about problems and other stuff so they can make improved debian... [07:02] paissad (n=paissad@172.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:03] free version of Debian? isnt Debian 100% free? [07:03] i agree its an improved version of Debian, in some ways [07:05] hughszg: it builds just fine here on a mostly clean 12.2 install [07:05] like I've said -> Debian sid + latest applications + new theme and a little "powder" ( power puff girls ) :) [07:05] paissad (n=paissad@172.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [07:06] hughszg: you have no X installed at all? [07:06] sahko: I was employee in 2 really big companies, that all clients was using ubuntu... I was a sistem administrator... i know every fucking hole in that distro.... every bug with java, modems, apps, very nasty kernel... [07:07] murdara: good fo you. i have only used Ubuntu rarely as a Live CD. i usually tell canonical to send me one after a new release [07:07] alicephilippa (n=alice@217.39.7.253) joined ##slackware. [07:08] sahko: Then no point talking to u, install it, and use it, then make statements about some distro (ubuntu here specific) [07:09] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [07:09] a fine example of how to waste 15 mins of your time for nothing. yay! bbl [07:10] alice_ (n=alice@5ad90217.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [07:11] XGizzmo_, I haven't isntalled X at all [07:12] must I install X? [07:13] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [07:13] I spent a few hour on a boobuntu yesterday (8.yet_another_minor_version), it was a pain : apparently it was impossible to have OOo 3, the openbox package was clearly broken (impossible to login with gdm in gnome/openbox), compiz was quite broken too, changing the resolution through the default applets wasn't working either (but was working with the *nvidia* driver config)... [07:14] and removing some translation package for *openoffice* removed something for *thunderbird* >< [07:15] (a bit like X depending on firefox in opensus [yeah, not the other way round]) [07:16] even though it was just another mess shoved out the door every 6 months like all the other ubuntu releases i am sure all the ubuntards ate it up like candy [07:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-73-33.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:17] "ubuntards" :) [07:17] ^ thats a fine description. "just another mess shoved out the door every 6 months" [07:17] hughszg:Yes it needs parts of X [07:18] anyone notice makepkg is broken in current? (or is it just me) [07:18] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-81.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:19] how is it broken? [07:19] matsuura (n=umeii@pool-173-58-10-241.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:19] Heya [07:19] just a second, i will run it again and get the error [07:20] Pig_Pen, that was horrible, the friend I was at wanted to install it right now and his roommate had already downloaded it ='( [07:20] (but I'll convert him to slackware) [07:20] ERROR: Can't make output package in current directory. [07:21] hmm [07:21] that's an old one I think, how did you call makepkg ? [07:22] Camarade_Tux, you can kick the shit out of him and say that ubuntu is bad ! [07:22] what changed with makepkg? i keep my own /tmp/pkg for DESTDIR or INSTALL_ROOT then i cd to /tmp/pkg and run makepkg /tmp/pkg/ [07:22] bojevnik_ (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [07:22] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-168-81.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [07:22] makepkg [07:23] bojevnik_ (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:23] Ilie, I never ever say "ubuntu", I always say "noobuntu" or "boobuntu", that will slowly enter their mind and they'll ditch it out ;p [07:23] let me try that, i usually use the full path so as not to include anything else in my package [07:23] :) [07:23] hmm, nothing same err [07:24] -current as of when? [07:24] run makepkg ./package_name.tgz and same error [07:24] also without the ./ too [07:25] http://pastebin.com/d469b5113 [07:25] So I haven't used initrd since I played with one of those tiny laptops with the thumb controlled mouse on the body.. forget the name of the devices.. Anyways.. I have slackware on my laptop and whatnot.. I threw that hdd into an external enclosure and what have you. I under under the impression that I need to have initrd load up all my modules before stuff happens so I set that up... My problem is (I think), when I boot up w [07:26] bojevnik_ (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [07:26] bojevnik_ (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:26] Theoretically, I'd want this to boot on any computer [07:26] seems UUID didn't want to work out though D: [07:26] bojevnik_ (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [07:27] Pig_Pen: you may have to have the install/slack-desc [07:27] alicephilippa (n=alice@217.39.7.253) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:27] alicephilippa (n=alice@5ad90217.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [07:28] hughszg (n=hugh_2@58.33.148.82) left irc: "Leaving." [07:28] dang, it used to work without that before (12.2 & older) [07:28] andreas-- (n=elm@ppp091138239092.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:29] its just a script, maybe i can hack that out of it [07:29] alice_ (n=alice@5ad90217.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:29] matsuura: if your using the generic kernel you will need an initrd to load your hdd / filesystem modules unless you have included them in your kernel build [07:30] frullet: I am using a custom compiled kernel... I made an initrd already and I believe it boots up according to dmesg [07:30] frullet: my filesystems modules are built into my kernel [07:31] as long as you can mount the filesystem you dont really need an initrd. [07:33] Well that is where one problem begins... If I have a harddrive in my laptop (sda), sbd(external) throws me a kernel panic [07:33] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:33] something about the root filesystems not existing [07:33] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [07:33] versus, booting without sda, sdb still mounts except, as sda [07:33] i did hack that doinst.sh out and still get the same error [07:37] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@89-212-36-81.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:44] Pig_Pen: you have to put the package somwhere else [07:45] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-230-056.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:45] nothing about a broken makepkg in the current changelog, maybe if Pat always uses slackbuild scripts and it works with slackbuild scripts without a problem he might not notice until he tries to run it manually [07:45] makepkg /tmp/ [07:45] ok, its worth a shot [07:47] that fixed it! XGizzmo_ [07:47] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:48] Pig_Pen: what is it that you do not understand about how wrong it is to try and create the package in the current directory when running makepkg.... [07:48] i guess makepkg only wants to output a package in to /tmp before it would do it wherever you happen to be [07:49] Pig_Pen: makepkg will create your package anywhere _except_ in the current directory [07:49] it always worked before for me and without errors ;p [07:50] but yes i see your point, it does seem wrong to output a package in the same dir as it is getting created in [07:51] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-209.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [07:51] that pastebin i showed will make a package in older releases [07:52] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-209.psoas.suomi.net) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [07:52] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:53] Pig_Pen: see this change to makepkg as a protective measure [07:53] michu2510 (n=michu251@djg239.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:53] looks like makepkg has been reworked of course i have not looked inside that file before today in a weak attempt to edit out something, but i saved an unedited original copy to restore if someting goes wrong [07:54] All the pkgtools have been reworked over the past weeks [07:54] Hi I got problem then I what to compile simple c++ program I get : g++: error trying to exec 'as': execvp: No such file or directory [07:54] What i have to do to compile program ? [07:54] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:55] alienBOB: the man page and --help output need to tweaked a bit to clarify that I think. since it is a change in behavior. [07:55] Heya,folks...How's everyone? [07:55] XGizzmo I see no reason for that [07:56] To me it is obvious that it is wrong to try and create a package in the same directory I am trying to package in the first place [07:56] Usage: makepkg package_name.tgz is incorrect [07:57] Read "man makepkg" [07:58] andreas-- (n=elm@ppp091138239092.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:58] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp079166039160.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:59] i need to read it again more thouroghly, i read it once a long time ago to get an idea of how it works [08:01] alienBOB: does your monitor give nvidia & xorg good EDID info when you startx? [08:02] Re mkpkg: man page states (in Slackware 10 where I am in now): The package will be written out to the file packagename which should be the full name, including the extension (usually .tgz) [08:02] Pig_Pen: no Idea what my monitor tells nvidia... [08:02] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:03] it probably does or it would give the nvidia driver problems until you add some parameters to xorg.conf to quit looking for edid info [08:04] alienBOB: I just don't read that as requiring an output path, but maybe thats just me. [08:05] So long as I know now, Its all good. :0 [08:14] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:18] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [08:19] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.164.69) joined ##slackware. [08:20] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [08:20] U-Neeks (n=666@201-24-15-148.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:20] brb [08:20] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [08:21] lucasgomes (i=c8e65201@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-967b658583687f20) joined ##slackware. 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[09:21] would have been a good url for last night. :P [09:22] yeah [09:23] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [09:24] cmk_zzz (n=martink@222.153.120.183) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:25] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [09:28] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.85.167) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:28] lucasgomes (i=c8e65201@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-967b658583687f20) left ##slackware. [09:30] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [09:31] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: "Leaving." [09:33] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:34] http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/rnr/1139296261.html [09:37] redrum [09:45] maraux (n=Paulo@189.115.149.43) joined ##slackware. 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[12:10] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009004004.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:11] clamshell (n=Prem@61.17.164.83) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:14] Nick change: upyr -> Dmitriy [12:17] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-157-235.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:17] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [12:19] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.175.170) left irc: "Leaving" [12:27] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:27] wb [12:27] thanks,hitest [12:28] yw:) [12:29] is kaudiocreator broken? [12:33] What errors are you coming across,Pig_Pen? [12:33] QStringList Solid::Backends::Hal::HalManager::findDeviceByDeviceInterface(const Solid::DeviceInterface::Type&) error: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected" [12:33] winter_ (n=winter@75-121-141-14.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [12:33] Which dbus-qt,Pig_Pen? [12:34] let me see, i might not be installed [12:35] dbusqt2 ? in current? [12:35] its installed, but current has qt4 [12:35] dbusqt3 [12:38] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.81.160) joined ##slackware. [12:38] oh well, we have trusty cdparanoia [12:40] Does k3b work in -current? I prefer using that in KDE 3.5.10 on Slackware 12.2 [12:40] Floops (n=baihu@ow.n.info.tm) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:40] looking at the build,it looks like it can take either qt3 or qt4 so that may not be the case [12:41] my cdrom drive is /dev/sr0 mounted in the usual location /mnt/cdrom [12:42] let me see if it mounts a normal data cdrom [12:43] yup, it mounts [12:43] so the hardware config in fstab. /dev is correct [12:45] xmms plays audio CDs [12:45] nophis (n=amenophi@unaffiliated/nophis) joined ##slackware. [12:45] paissad_ (n=paissad@172.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [12:45] paissad (n=paissad@172.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:46] Nick change: paissad_ -> paissad [12:48] murdara (n=m@77.46.246.97) left irc: [12:48] this is current i am using at the moment hitest [12:49] i have not burned anything yet but k3b requires kdemultimedia for kcddb libraries [12:50] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:50] thanks for the reply, Pig_Pen:) [12:50] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.39.186) joined ##slackware. [12:51] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:51] winter_ (n=winter@75-121-141-14.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:52] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:52] winter_ (n=winter@75-121-149-232.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-162-241.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:52] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:53] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-189-32.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:53] Dmitriy (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [12:54] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [12:55] i been poking around kde-4.2.2 in current looking for broken apps & getting a feel for this new desktop [12:55] wow, this crappy dell inspiron shut itself off while upgrading current because it overheated. what a piece of junk... [12:58] jumperboy: when was the last time you opened the case and blown out the dust and fuzz? made sure all the fans were spinning [12:58] might have stumbled 'cross a bug,pig_pen causing kaudiocreator to break... [12:59] could be, are you having the same problem? ibeen searching in a forum for possible answers/solutions [12:59] alicephilippa (n=alice@5ad90217.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:01] Pig_Pen: it's been vacuumed, got it from a client whose cat took naps on the keyboard :) [13:02] lol [13:02] copland-leopard (n=copland-@209.241.118.121) left irc: [13:02] cat hair is not good inside electronics [13:03] besides the CPU fan and power supply fan, does it have a fan on the case/chassis pulling air out of the case? [13:03] i might need to reserve this machine for live cds [13:03] cat hair is not good anywhere [13:04] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [13:04] i bought two fans, i put one in the front of the case blowing air in and one in the back below the power supply blowing air out [13:04] No..using XFCE...but with the way hal interacts with dbus with some KDE apps I try to take note [13:04] yeah, i'll take another look, fan's spinning, but i don't feel much of a breeze coming out [13:04] brb, snail mail [13:08] i did not install xfce, but i doubt that would have an effect [13:08] jumperboy, tried new heatsink compound? [13:09] i did not want to install amarok, but i just did to see if it was a dependency [13:10] nope, no change [13:10] winter (n=winter@72-160-220-203.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [13:11] winter_ (n=winter@75-121-149-232.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:13] no,hal is independent with either KDE or XFCE so no it wouldn't have any effect [13:14] Folnin (n=Folnin@2001:778:12:24:219:d1ff:fe31:ad72) joined ##slackware. [13:16] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [13:22] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:23] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [13:23] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.71.22) joined ##slackware. [13:23] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. 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[13:39] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:39] since I've been using XFCE ..i've had to keep up on reading how dbus interacts with KDE4 as well as gnome2.6 to see if I can or can't use those apps without pullin' more hair out..LOL [13:40] most of that stuff is way over my head, i can do some basic troubleshooting and dependency resolving, but i am not even close to being a codemonkey [13:41] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:41] really is a new ballpark to me as well [13:41] i do know of a nice little java app jripper compared to most java jar apps it is decent [13:43] cool [13:43] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:44] you might want to give jripper a spin, it is portable, just set it executable and let java run it, go in to setup and config it first [13:44] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [13:45] thanks...something different to mess with [13:46] nophis__ (n=amenophi@189.71.126.172) joined ##slackware. [13:48] i cant even find the source code in a package for kaudiocreator, i think i seen one of those git pages with all the files exploded but i dont want to download a huge selection of individual files [13:48] don't blame ya,Pig_Pen [13:49] if git is the future of source distribution of FLOSS i guess i better install and learn to use it though [13:50] nophis (n=amenophi@unaffiliated/nophis) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:50] more and more sites are leaning that way [13:50] i install most everything in /d except for git and distcc gcc-ada and gcc-java [13:53] MLanden: are you using current? is kaudiocreator broken for you too? [13:54] tried before installing XFCE and it was broken before and after [13:55] i tend to not install server stuff like apache, mysql, sendmail because i dont actually use them, i did notice that amarok requires mysql, which i find to be an odd dependency for a multimedia app [13:56] love amarok but was too bloated after installing XFCE [13:56] settled with exaile for the need [13:56] run "ldd" on the kaudiocreator binary, and see if you're missing anything [13:56] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-134-7.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:57] ok, thanks for the tip thrice` [13:57] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [13:59] i can pastebin the results, does not look like anything is missing to me [13:59] nah, it would be obvious a library to which is was trying to call was missing [14:00] http://pastebin.com/d1f376c9 [14:00] linux-gate? [14:00] winter (n=winter@72-160-220-203.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:00] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [14:00] nophis_ (n=amenophi@unaffiliated/nophis) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:01] erm, amarok does require mysql, but only on buildtime. It's not a runtime dependency [14:01] Floops (n=baihu@ow.n.info.tm) joined ##slackware. [14:02] nophis_ (n=amenophi@unaffiliated/nophis) joined ##slackware. [14:03] yeah, it would load and seem to run without mysql, but a dialog popped up saying it was missing, not sure what to make of it though [14:04] hmm [14:08] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:08] nophis_ (n=amenophi@unaffiliated/nophis) left irc: "Leaving" [14:10] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [14:10] winter (n=winter@72-160-220-203.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [14:11] DeiBellum (n=rwaters@dhcp132159.salley.fsu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [14:12] bbl [14:12] bye:) [14:12] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [14:12] nophis__ (n=amenophi@189.71.126.172) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:13] wow, k3b can not find my dvd burner, must be a kde problem bash sees it though [14:13] how can bash see the dvd burner? [14:16] well it mounts cds & dvds from the command line [14:16] i am going to reboot this thing, brb [14:16] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [14:18] Folnin (n=Folnin@2001:778:12:24:219:d1ff:fe31:ad72) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:19] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:19] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. 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[14:33] How do i force into Runtime 4 if my ui is fozen? [14:33] gbonvehim (i=1000@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [14:34] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.72.182) joined ##slackware. [14:35] FroobLoops (i=47ccbacb@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-01e24ff8bab839fc) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [14:35] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb_WyuWnP7E [14:35] woo [14:35] afternoon people :D [14:35] bbeecher1 (n=bbeecher@cpe-74-72-194-84.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:36] Hi acidchild2. How are you? [14:36] wicked :D [14:36] i am thinking about blowing slackware current off my drive and doing a clean install without kde-4 and without qt,dbus,hal and waiting until the bugs are worked out of it more [14:36] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430065.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:37] firebird619: yourself? :D [14:37] acidchild2: I'm doing great. Thank you. :D [14:37] xD! [14:37] i'm glad its the weekend :-) [14:38] its like 27c outside [14:38] =) [14:38] lots of eye candy today, going out soon :d [14:38] acidchild2: 6 C here. :D [14:38] Feels Like: 30 [14:38] DAMN! [14:38] :D [14:38] oops, just changed to 9 C. :) [14:38] http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/caon0696 [14:38] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:39] warm here too http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=11590&MR=1 [14:40] and i'm suppose to spend it on homework [14:40] fuck yeah, global warming! [14:40] :D [14:40] suppose to break a record tomorrow [14:40] The day before yesterday, it was 91 F here. [14:40] Hey edman007. How's it going? [14:40] firebird619, where are you? [14:40] firebird619, good [14:40] SW Minnesota. :D [14:40] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [14:40] acidchild2: i feel so high, i even touch the sky above the falling rain. i feel so good in my neighbourhood, so here i come again. i've got to ahve kay now. <--- are you feeling that wicked? [14:41] *got to have kaya now [14:41] haha [14:41] =P [14:41] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb_WyuWnP7E <-- this tune is how i'm feeling [14:45] Pig_Pen, what does cdrecord -scanbus return? [14:45] Funny, I was listening to this: http://www.synthmania.com/Korg%20MSC-3S%20Drums%201/Audio/Programs/06%20ClickBass.mp3 while I checked out that clip. [14:45] Perfect match :) [14:46] 2,1,0 201) 'ATA ' 'WDC WD800JB-00FM' '13.0' Disk [14:47] plus lots more, too big to put in here [14:47] 3,0,0 300) 'ASUS ' 'DRW-2014S1 ' '1.01' Removable CD-ROM [14:49] we should all go get drunk [14:49] :D [14:49] where you all wana meet? [14:50] hmm, i might be able to roll my own qt & kde-4.2.2 without dbus & hal like i did with kde-3.5.x [14:50] winter (n=winter@72-160-220-203.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:50] lets meet at ananke's house ;P [14:50] acidchild2: it's unfair, it seems you have a head start ;) [14:51] last night dude [14:51] woaahh [14:52] it was a mess! [14:52] no shit woaahh [14:53] whenever anyone mentions building their own kernel it just gets ananke going like nobody has any business doing that [14:53] winter (n=winter@72-160-220-203.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [14:53] hahaha [14:53] how do i build a kernel?! [14:55] acidchild2, you sit back in your chair and call support :P [14:55] whats the point of FLOSS if nobody ever learns to to rebuild the parts or all of what they need or want, whether out of necessity or just a simple will to learn how or just want to for any reason, what business is it of anankes what other people do with their OS [14:57] Pig_Pen, the point of FOSS is to share development costs, it works when you make your income selling services, if you dont believe me, ask sun, they disappeared because they didnt understand that simple fact [14:58] nothing wrong with that [14:59] microsoft is fighting it tooth & nail and have only managed to slow it down only a little while painting themselves in to a corner [15:01] cool! the KDE.SlackBuild has the build order in it, i am going to see if i can roll my own custom qt4 & kde-4.2.2 without dbus & hal [15:02] microsoft fighting? dont make me laugh, they dont NEED to fight, as long as they have dell, hp and now oracle selling windows preinstalled by default and enterprises rely on things like active directory, linux do not stand a chance outside the servers [15:03] naw, Linux is going to be kicking microsoft's ass soon with the economy in the toilet and no light at the end of the tunnel yet [15:04] if the stock market crashes all that money in microsoft's bank wont amount to a hill of beans [15:04] now i'm laughing [15:04] mmmmm beans..... [15:04] nachox: part of the problem is/was with sun's governance of their own projects. their tight grip on many so-called community projects and insistence on signing over copyrights (mostly for good reasons) made many developers contribute the absolute minimum required or even fork their own (see Novell's version of OpenOffice.org) [15:05] ok, time to wipe this half broken kde off my drive [15:05] laters [15:05] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:06] psychicist, i agree with the tight grip on stuff, the rest is crap, EVERYONE asks for the same thing, the FSF and the apache foundation do to, all the free software community will be affected by not having sun around anymore [15:08] nachox: I have no problem with it, but makes things less of a community project and more like corporate development for everyone to see. I think many people were expecting things to be a lot more open than they have been [15:09] psychicist, again, everyone else ask for the same thing, it's not just sun. migrating to GPLv3 would now have been possible otherwise in the FSF [15:09] nachox is right, crap like active directory, exchange and even sharepoint are the enterprise killer apps [15:10] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [15:10] jumperboy, they are not crap, they are incredibly useful, since there is nothing like that for unix, all the enterprise workstation at big places are windows based [15:11] nachox: about my inquiries on linux sparc, I know it isn't viable but arm/mips/x86/power etc. are, sparc could have been the same and I think maybe sun would have survived if they had the guts to make that happen. IBM has made a comeback on mainframes mainly thanks to linux support (I've read solaris for zseries has bad performance and limited in the ways you can run it) [15:11] right, but they're useful because there are no viable alternatives [15:11] Maybe they ARE crap, but they have no competition in their own field. [15:12] Anyone else think Novell is asleep? [15:12] jumperboy, active directory and group policies help enterprises comply with regulatory conditions. That is not possible now in the unix world unless you use something like thin clients [15:12] MakubeX (i=horas@my.barbie.wears.no-panties.org) left irc: Connection timed out [15:13] psychicist, that is very likely, solaris has to catch up there. it's 10 years late in the game after all [15:13] nachox: I'm not disagreeing with you. With that foot in the door, it's hard not to let momentum take over until it's Windows everything [15:14] SuN, novell is the next sun imho. [15:14] Nick change: SuN -> EuroTrash [15:14] Here, let me disassociate myself with that :D [15:15] Well, apart from the development crap, Sun just has awful marketing, I guess. [15:16] Oracle and SuN, combine into Snoracle ;) [15:16] okay, finished by upgrade to current, going to start up kde4 for the first time... [15:16] wow, nice splash screen [15:16] caio_ (n=caio@190.6.100.107) left irc: "leaving" [15:17] _guitarman_1 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:17] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:17] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:17] why is there a gnome icon in the upper left corner? [15:17] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:18] right corner, i mean [15:18] EuroTrash: Sun was always driven by engineering and had an awful sales and marketing division from what I've read. Oracle on the other hand seems very focused on reaching their revenue targets [15:20] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009004004.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:20] psychicist: i know of a lot of projects switching to linux/mysql because oracle was too expensive to justify the cost. i wonder what's going through their heads now [15:20] back into the frying pan... [15:21] UdontKnow (i=evaldo@freenode/staff/udontknow) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:21] UdontKnow (i=evaldo@freenode/staff/udontknow) joined ##slackware. [15:22] jumperboy: I guess oracle doesn't really care about small fish, though. [15:23] Oracle is indeed the opposite, just like SAP, etc., excellent marketing but a lot of disappointing implementations. [15:23] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [15:23] EuroTrash: they care a lot about lost revenue, though. I'm thinking of major customers, like universities [15:24] this was actually a pretty smart move by oracle, now they have a complete migration path [15:24] wazup nullboy [15:24] yo [15:24] y0 [15:26] what database really comes close to Oracle for high end applications (apart from DB2)? MySQL doesn't so what about Postgres, Ingres or something else I don't know of? [15:27] jumperboy: I agree it was a smart move and I think the "crown jewels" of Solaris primarily and Java were too hard to let go to a competitor [15:27] _guitarman_1 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:27] maybe they'll buy adobe next :P [15:28] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-13-81.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:31] elric_ (n=elric_@87.18.248.184) joined ##slackware. [15:31] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.241.162) joined ##slackware. [15:31] hello there... does anyone know when will slack 13 or 12.3 be released ? [15:32] nullboy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--K3X6rptE4 [15:32] elric_, when its done [15:32] 'gonna shoot him in the toodles' [15:32] :D [15:32] edman007: uhm... ok... [15:33] elric_, well thats the only legitimate answer you will get, there is no schedule [15:33] UdontKnow, can we talk in pv? [15:34] nullboy: loool [15:34] :D [15:34] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:34] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp079166039160.dsl.hol.gr) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:35] quit [15:36] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062138004.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [15:39] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:40] frooblicous (i=47ccbacb@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-dfa0ba243c816d31) joined ##slackware. [15:40] so, if'n I want to start a RAID1 array with one of the drives missing [15:41] what do I put in place of that device in my mdadm command? [15:41] Urg, why is this so hard? What is a SIMPLE program for scanning local computers! All i want is the computer name, and their ip's [15:41] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.241.162) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [15:44] python_user (i=865301e9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2bde5b043686bb5a) joined ##slackware. [15:44] MakubeX (i=horas@my.barbie.wears.no-panties.org) joined ##slackware. [15:44] hi, I just moved to slack and it's my first time away from gnome, where abouts is the 'control centre; that used to be in kde 3.2? [15:44] i'm on kde 4.2 [15:45] under favorites, i think [15:45] I was just considering if I should get rid of favourites or not [15:45] ]at the moment I only see "system settings" there [15:46] ahh [15:46] found it [15:46] then flick it [15:46] click [15:46] hardware tab is under advanced [15:46] how very convoluted [15:46] O.o [15:47] maybe not [15:47] no mouse option under hardware [15:48] now thats the most bizarre hostname I think I've ever seen. :O [15:48] heh i like it! [15:48] anyone know where I can control basic hardware stuff in kde4.2? [15:48] like mouse speed etc? [15:51] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:51] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [15:56] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.164.69) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:57] Does anyone know a program in whitch i can view computer names on a netowork? [15:57] along with their ip adress? [15:58] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-230-056.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] umm [16:00] what exactly are you trying to do? [16:00] just view the network computers, [16:00] their hostnames and ip's [16:00] python_user (i=865301e9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2bde5b043686bb5a) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [16:00] seems prity simple to me [16:00] look in DNS then [16:01] yeah it is pretty simple but there are a number of ways to go about this.... [16:01] Is there a command build in to bash? [16:01] it's funny how the people asking the question always say shit like "this sound simple" yet they are the ones who don't know the answer.... 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[16:13] jumperboy: he was asking about recon on a network and couldn't even do so in specific terms. [16:13] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [16:14] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:14] l4m3rx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [16:19] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:19] nullboy: sorry, took it at face value, seemed a simple question [16:20] jumperboy: no worries [16:20] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Lfj8BFIYNM [16:24] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-230-056.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:28] chopp, that is a good one...though its pretty obvious the person cut in half was in on it [16:28] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:28] edman007: I would think. [16:29] lotec_ (n=lotec@21.sub-75-203-216.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [16:30] JasonosaJ (n=Jason@pool-71-186-11-16.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:30] lamo chopp thats funny! [16:31] JasonosaJ (n=Jason@pool-71-186-11-16.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.39.186) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:32] stef_208 (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: "Changing server..." [16:35] stef_208 (n=kvirc@pool-71-99-147-74.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:37] lotec_ (n=lotec@21.sub-75-203-216.myvzw.com) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [16:40] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:43] nullboy: guess you missed the gong show in here lastnight hey? [16:45] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [16:49] _stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [16:52] lee555J5 (n=lee555J5@199.20.23.2) joined ##slackware. [16:54] lee555J5 (n=lee555J5@199.20.23.2) left irc: Client Quit [16:54] is there any application in current that will let me test an attached webcam? [16:55] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [16:56] jumperboy, they have sex websites for that [16:56] Gatto (n=Romeo~@host125-17-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [16:57] Soul_keeper: funny... i'm trying to set up a chicken cam in an incubator [16:58] Gatto (n=Romeo~@host125-17-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:58] hoping there's already something in slack so i don't need to fetch an external package [17:00] kopete, maybe [17:00] chopp: what show? [17:01] nullboy: check the logs from about 17:45 or so your time. [17:02] I couldn't begin to describe it. [17:02] stef_208 (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:02] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:03] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-171.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:03] thrice`: thanks, kopete has video support, i'll try to get that working [17:04] jumperboy, there used to be a test app for the spca project I believe, i'm having a hard time locating it tho [17:04] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [17:04] anyone know the link to the channel logs? [17:05] http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_botlogs/ [17:06] thanks [17:06] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [17:07] if you couldn't find the bot logs, file:/dev/urandom makes a decent substitute [17:08] chopp: what context? got a nick i should be looking for? [17:08] jumperboy: you could use vlc for that. VLC on the computer with the webcam can then stream the chicken video all over your network if you want [17:10] alienBOB: thanks, i'll give that a try [17:10] nullboy: starts at 20:43 in those logs [17:10] thanks [17:11] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.129.162) left irc: "Leaving" [17:13] jumperboy, I found it, not sure if it's in current but try gspcagui -d /dev/video0 [17:15] chopp: i was semi involved in it [17:15] Nick change: nullboy -> nullzombie [17:16] nullzombie: yes I believe you were, but it went on long after you left. [17:16] Soul_keeper: not in current :( [17:16] lol [17:20] jumperboy, what about amsn .. they have a plugin for webcams last I checked [17:21] what about skype? [17:23] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/graphics/gtkam/ [17:23] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:23] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.39.186) joined ##slackware. [17:24] kopete shows some garbage, it might be misdetecting [17:25] i'll work on it later, laptop's overheating... [17:26] Pig_Pen: I meant to ask you, whats in your area, whitetail or mule, and is there many bowhunters? [17:27] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [17:28] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [17:29] [Nada] (n=chatzill@static-96-226-59-205.dllstx.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:29] <[Nada]> hi, How to do a Non-recursive find on unix ? [17:31] -maxdepth 1 [17:32] mostly whitetail, bowhunters are plenty, i been meaning to buy a good compound bow myself [17:33] Action: edman007 shoots Pig_Pen with an cannon [17:33] Pig_Pen: I used to be an avid bowhunter, but it's been about seven years now. I miss it. [17:34] hunt with a rock [17:35] a rock? ;p i want to kill the deer not make it mad at me [17:36] lol [17:36] i sometimes buy livestock food like cracked corn and put it out in my back yard and deer and wild turkey will be eating it up like crazy [17:38] now that's living. [17:38] as easy as shooting fish in a barrel [17:39] bkk (n=bkk@58.136.1.143) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:39] nullzombie (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [17:40] when I was drilling in southern alberta, we had antelope on location all the time. Had some fun with that. [17:41] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [17:41] Gatto (n=Romeo~@host125-17-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [17:42] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:42] Why do melons have to get married? They can't elope. [17:43] lol [17:44] bijit (n=benji@200.122.188.156) joined ##slackware. [17:44] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:44] good evening :-) [17:44] greetings macavity [17:44] hi macavity [17:45] if my c++ superclass destructor is an empty virtual function, does that mean it will use the parent class destructor? [17:45] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:46] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [17:48] Gatto (n=Romeo~@host125-17-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:51] I guess it will use both destructors. [17:51] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [17:52] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:53] pi31415: ##C++ might be a better place to ask :-) [17:55] I cannot join that channel. It forwards me to #overflow. [17:55] pi31415: what is the topic? [17:57] i just did /join #c++ and ended up in there [17:57] pi31415: obvious thing to do is write a couple of little test classes that do what you're talking about, put some debugging printf's in there, run program and see [17:59] Urchlay: thank you for the advice.. I am doing that but past the basics it gets confusing fast. (I really do not like c++) [17:59] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] I don't really like it either [18:00] for example, I need to provide a callback for a garbage collector to destroy my object, but I am having trouble calling an example pointer to a member function. [18:00] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [18:00] bijit_ (n=benji@200.122.188.156) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:02] I recall pointers to member functions (aka methods) being kinda annoying to use [18:02] you have the stroustrop book? If not, run (don't walk) to nearest bookstore, buy it [18:02] i'm playing with Google's Sketchup tool in wine [18:03] S Ketchup, much better on fries than regular ketchup... [18:03] I was hoping to only use c++ for a day or two, get the feature I want, and then never touch it again [18:04] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [18:04] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:08] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [18:09] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-134-7.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:09] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-151-93-65.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [18:11] YerbaMate (n=YerbaMat@abpa197.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:11] _ohm (n=mark@nom19752a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:12] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430065.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:12] hello [18:19] i'm trying to connect with wpa-eap-fast network, but i don't have pac file (certificate) how can i get it? [18:19] methylated (n=methoxy@ip72-197-207-247.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] hey guys alsa is giving me like 6 lines of file not found at boot [18:19] how do i fix/ [18:19] ? [18:19] this is after a kernel recompile [18:20] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [18:20] seems to work in youtube, although cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp does nothing [18:20] try running alsaconf again and then run alsactl store [18:21] YerbaMate, ask the administrator of the wireless network? [18:21] did you build your audio support as modules? or embedded in the kernel image? [18:21] yes [18:21] modules [18:21] i thikn [18:21] greymaus1 (n=greymaus@86.46.254.5) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:21] maybe just a modprobe could fix it [18:21] alsaconf says some cnanto find module [18:21] 3 times then loads the dialog program [18:22] [Nada] (n=chatzill@static-96-226-59-205.dllstx.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:22] modinfo: could not find module snd [18:22] greymaus (n=greymaus@86.46.254.5) joined ##slackware. [18:22] then alsaconf says no isa or pci device found [18:22] but i get sound in youtube videos [18:22] its really weird [18:22] alsamixer shows 1 volume control only [18:23] nachox: i think that the administrator don't knows too [18:23] ... [18:23] modprobe snd-mixer-oss [18:24] YerbaMate: you're trying to connect to a network and the network's administrator doesn't even know how to connect you? [18:24] its loaded but alsaconf dont work still [18:24] it doesnt complain about any of the snd-*-oss modules [18:24] at boot [18:25] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [18:25] if it worked with the stock kernel and you built a customized kernel i bet you missed something or changed something [18:25] the sound work sin youtube i just dont want to see the errors [18:25] at boot [18:25] im making a video for my sys admin portfolio of linux on the S10 [18:25] cant have any errors at boot [18:25] nullboy: i guess (under linux of course) [18:26] you guess? [18:26] so you can connect? [18:26] i could cheat and just not load alsa [18:26] at boot [18:26] well ill brb getting my weed [18:26] ill post the errors on pastie when i get back [18:26] YerbaMate, again this depends on your particular network, if you dont have certificates, eap-fast might fall back to regular password based TLS, i dont really know how it is configured, you wireless admin should [18:27] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.81.160) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:27] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [18:28] nachox: under Windows certificate is downloading automatic... [18:28] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:29] YerbaMate: under linux you need the cert and you need to configure /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf [18:29] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:29] well, under Slackware at least [18:30] nullboy: i know, but i don't have it. [18:31] i don't have this file, but Windows downloads it automatically [18:31] yes and this is not windows [18:31] so it is different [18:32] monstro (i=1000@201-26-12-32.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:32] i'd look into getting the cert from a client system if the admin doesn't know wtf he is doing [18:33] have you connected using windows? [18:33] no... [18:33] monstro (i=1000@201-26-12-32.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [18:33] ...has *anyone* connected using windows? [18:34] yes of course [18:34] well i don't know how "of course" anything is right now... [18:35] dang tornado sirens going off [18:35] YerbaMate: bottom line is you need the certs [18:35] i didn't tried to connect under Windows, but it isn't necessary [18:35] copland-leopard (n=copland-@209.241.118.121) joined ##slackware. [18:35] nullboy, i'm not sure about that, in ubuntu you dont, so in slackware you shouldnt either [18:35] i didn't ask if it is necessary though. i asked if you had because i you had you would probably already have the cert.... [18:36] i/if [18:36] so how under Windows XP get cert file? [18:39] ok, my bad, he does need the cert :P [18:39] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:41] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: "OOH" [18:41] elric_ (n=elric_@87.18.248.184) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.1" [18:46] lf4 (n=KJR@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [18:46] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:47] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[19:13] you guys are boring to night.. it seems like you all have a life or something :P [19:14] imagine that [19:14] who has a life? :) [19:15] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [19:15] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:18] it is saturday night.. what better than hang out on IRC and insult noobz? :P [19:18] or post links to lolcats [19:19] or ague about exactly *how* evil M$ is [19:19] or perhaps start a quick little editor war? [19:19] When do you think slackware will go to 64bit? anytime soon or not really? [19:20] eventually it will... but there is still so much usefull 32bit hardware out there [19:20] _ohm (n=mark@nom19752a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:21] and Pat is in the luckey position that Fred has ported it as slamd64.. so there is "a way out" for people who really need both 64 bit and the simplicity/stability of slackware [19:21] I know... I'm trying to figure out if it would be worth getting more then 4GB of ram right now or not(probably not since its DDR2 ram I'm looking at). [19:22] Yeah I heard about the ported 64bit version I was wondering about the offical slackware :) oh well 4GB it is then. This system doesn't really need that much lol. [19:22] lf4: just enable PEA [19:22] PEA? [19:23] lf4: then you can run with 64GB of ram on a 32 bit system... only 4GB will be available to each user space process [19:23] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:23] Ohh that would be nice [19:24] i dont remember what it is an abrivertion of.. let me look it up [19:25] Physical Adress Extention [19:25] PAE, not PEA [19:25] Does PEA divid the total ram by the amount of users or section it instead? 6GB for 2 users = 3GB each or would it be 4GB and 2GB? [19:25] Ahh ok :) I'll do some reading about it thanks macavity [19:26] no, PAE just makes the kernel able to work with all the memory, and give it to apps on a need-to-have basis.. however, since the apps themselves are 32 bit, they cant adress more than 4GB anyway [19:26] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.165.230) joined ##slackware. [19:26] PAE is an ugly hack that should be avoided [19:27] spook: that depends on your needs... [19:27] hey [19:27] macavity: i said should be avoided. i didnt say not to use it. [19:27] how do i get rid of these alsa errors at boot after making a new kernel [19:27] /usr/sbin/alsactl: set_control:1273: failed to obtain info for control #{1,2,3,6,7,9} (No such file or directory) [19:28] well my needs are not really of more then 4GB for memory so 32bit systems should be fine and avoiding PAE for now would be fine. It's good to know though :) [19:29] lf4: i have yet to use up the 2GB i have anyhow :P [19:29] Nick change: _stef_204 -> stef_204 [19:29] macavity: ramdisk :P\ [19:29] lf4: but i understand why, say virtual hostings, would want PAE [19:30] spook: i really dont see a use for them... at least not with the things i do [19:30] macavity: thats what I might do in the future since I want to built this system up slowly to be a nice server. [19:30] macavity: qemu? [19:30] LinuxyEr1n (n=erin@adsl-75-35-180-38.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:34] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089079179132.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:34] hi [19:34] brb [19:34] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:35] I have silly question. Where I can change default per-process fd (soft/hard)limit in slackware? [19:35] przemoc: fd? [19:36] yes, fd limit also known as max open files limit [19:36] przemoc: see ulimit in bash(1) [19:36] I know it well [19:36] fd == file descripters [19:36] but I want to change it globally [19:36] kernel? [19:36] debian/ubuntu have /etc/security/limits.conf [19:36] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] ah, kernel security policies [19:37] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:37] i dont remember if they are enabled per default in slackware [19:37] but it should be relatively straight forward if you just go by the Documentation/ instructions in the kernel source [19:38] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.39.186) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:38] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [19:38] ulimit is useless if you're not superuser [19:38] noooooo dont read the documentation, its a trick designed to fool people [19:39] root can of course bypass the limits [19:39] root is magic. [19:39] I hit the problem by big svn commit. ;) [19:40] he puts on his wizard robe and hat, and becomes magic [19:40] i would say "root is god" but i am an atheist :D [19:40] Pig_Pen: i am also atheist :P [19:41] no agnostics? [19:41] a few weeks ago at our regular aethism agnostic society meeting in the tav, i sat and listened to the christian union guy talk to the deconverted mormon. [19:41] lol deconverted mormon [19:41] i bet that was an interesting conversation [19:42] ex-mormon guy was toying with him. [19:42] they both knew their bible verses very well [19:42] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-68-82-173-91.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:42] of all places to live i am an atheist in the middle of the bible belt (oklahoma) [19:43] religous trolls :-) [19:43] I'm LDS(Mormon) lol thats funny when you get two people that can quote verses back and forth. [19:43] i think america would be alot better off with less religiousness [19:43] spook: of course :-) [19:43] lf4: so was he. [19:44] lf4: joseph smith and the golden tablets. [19:44] it was just few hundred years ago that the europian christians burned people at the stake and did other atrocites in the name of their god [19:45] spook: sorry not following what you're trying to say. [19:45] the Spaniards robbed the indians looking for El Dorado [19:45] NOBODY SUSPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISTION [19:46] today there is a church in Spain that has massive quantities of gold plated religious items [19:47] made from gold stolen from indians in the americas [19:47] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [19:48] just look at the right-wing christians in the usa today, they would do it all over again if they gained enough power [19:48] what about the vatican? [19:48] i am sure the catholics/vatican has a bloody history too [19:48] i am not affiliated with any religion what so ever.. yet i am pretty fscking far from being an atheist [19:48] where do you think all the vatican's money came from? [19:49] macavity: so you're agnostic? [19:49] go to youtube and search for George Carlin Religion is bullshit [19:49] spook: i dont know... i just belive in something i dont understand [19:49] macavity: thats agnostic [19:49] spook: but i am not bussy trying to give "it" a name [19:49] macavity: pretty agnostic [19:49] if anyone asks my religion i'm gonna say "linux" :) [19:50] haha [19:50] Soul_keeper: good one ;) [19:50] Soul_keeper: in that case mine is GNU :P [19:50] i agree with Soul_keeper [19:50] last few census i put jedi [19:50] or religion: GPL [19:50] by that metric i would say LGPL [19:51] i do not require anyone who come in contact me to belive the same as i do :P [19:51] looks like i am going to have to do some reading to get kde-4.x to build in current, i want to build a custom kde-4.x that wont have dbus & hal as dependencies [19:51] ... [19:51] Nuken (n=evandro@r48-pe-tubarao.ibys.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:51] Pig_Pen: that will neuter KDE severly [19:51] that damn cmake is something else i got to learn [19:52] Nuken (n=evandro@r48-pe-tubarao.ibys.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [19:52] Pig_Pen: oh, and i dont think that dbus is optional at all.. it is for a reason they went the long mile and did a dcop<->dbus linker [19:52] i just want to make a kde window manager, i really dont need automounting and fancy functions out of it [19:52] ..as in, dcop is deprecated and *will* get killed.. but apps will still need to talk to eachother [19:53] dcop is horrible [19:53] Pig_Pen: then just turn off hald [19:53] Pig_Pen: or, just tell KDE to do nothing with new storage volumes [19:53] when i ran ccmake to look at the editable options i did not see anything about hal [19:54] i will try again tomarrow, i got frustrated with it and rebooted from current to 12.2 [19:54] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:54] LinuxyEr1n (n=erin@adsl-75-35-180-38.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:54] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:55] i will look closer tomarrow and read the docs and google for some hints tips and hacks if there are any [19:55] just trust me on this one.. just turn of hald [19:55] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-75-35-180-38.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:55] qt4 built nicely though :D [19:55] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-75-35-180-38.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] I found the culprit: INR_OPEN in include/linux/fs.h [19:57] i just did a clean install without any qt related stuff. witthout any dbus or hal & releated stuff, it might take a few days but i will do my best to build a custom current system so when the next slackware release comes out i can give the wife & mom a nice custom kde4 desktop [19:57] give them xfce [19:58] darn it every time I slackpkg upgrade firefox lol I have to reinstall adobe flash player lol. [19:58] i might have to, or see if qt3 & kde3.5 will build in the next release, they will kill me without the kdegames package [19:58] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-119-51.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:58] has anyone else had issues with pidgin making X crash on them? [19:58] yup, the old firefox gets wiped every time [19:59] i've been seeing it since 2.5.x i think [19:59] install the kde series, get them to use xfce. the menu populates with the kde games correctly [19:59] LinuxyErin: only in wincows :) [19:59] they run just fine in xfce too :) [19:59] this is on my linux [19:59] lol [19:59] i said it crashes X [19:59] LinuxyErin: no issues here. [19:59] kernel recompilation is the only long-term solution for initial "only" 1024 nfile rlimits [19:59] i think it might be something to do with fluxbox [19:59] but i'm not sure [19:59] LinuxyErin: not fluxbox. [20:00] hmm [20:00] wonder what it is then [20:00] pidgin. [20:00] cuz sometimes pidgin just makes X shut down all together and like [20:00] LinuxyErin: I know i was joking and no pidgin seems to be working fine in X for me, I dont use flux though. [20:00] lol [20:00] anything in your logs? [20:00] and it made flux crash, cuz once i was running flux after having started window maker first [20:00] and it crashed flux and brought me back into window maker [20:01] http://www.google.com/search?q=pidgin+crashes+Xorg LinuxyErin seems a few people have that, some new bug reports [20:01] look in /var/log/X.org [20:01] Mar 16, 2009 ... Pidgin crashes often and leads to xorg [20:01] hmm [20:03] [Nada] (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:06] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [20:06] Strykar_ (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-a63ec00c3ebbe1b7) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:07] lostnhell (n=lostnhel@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:09] /usr/sbin/alsactl: set_control:1273: failed to obtain info for control #{1,2,3,6,7,9} (No such file or directory) [20:09] at boot, after kernel upgrade. how do i fix? [20:10] methylated: with a hammer [20:11] with a LART [20:11] See what happens if you "rm /etc/asound.state" and then reboot methylated [20:11] LART? [20:11] hehe [20:11] Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool [20:11] spook: you forgot to specify it has to be 6lb's or bigger. [20:12] lf4: are you wearing your magic underwear? [20:12] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:12] lol you mean the ones with the wizard hats? no that i'm saving for monday. ;) [20:13] i mean with the right angles [20:14] why do you want to know what I wear under my clothes? [20:14] lf4: he's a peter file... [20:15] lns40: ahh i see :) [20:16] no i'm just slightly mocking his religious beliefs [20:18] spook: I know which is why I rather not answer, i'll stick with the topics on the channel or computer related. [20:18] there was an instance where a mormon was in a plane crash. [20:18] lol [20:19] lost their head, both feet, both hands [20:19] the only bits not covered by their magic underwear. [20:19] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [20:19] and yet was still alive :P [20:19] nope. [20:20] there is a muslem belief that if you die while lost at sea like a shipwreck allah wont save you, so an almighty god can not penetrate seawater? [20:20] Pig_Pen: Thats interesting I did not know that. [20:20] 3 evils problem [20:20] god is 2 out of 3, of, all knowing, all good, all powerful. [20:21] i overheard some muslem guy saying something to that effect a few years ago, dont know how true it is among the beleivers of islam though [20:21] spook: wouldn't that be putting limits on God? [20:21] spook: I'll take all good and all powerful [20:22] lf4: its naive and assumes that if he was all three, he'd actually do stuff. [20:22] Pig_Pen: If I were still in South Africa I could ask a lot of islamic people about it wish I could that would be interesting to learn. [20:22] all knowing is a powerful tool [20:22] spook: What do you mean by "Do stuff"? [20:22] Riley (n=Blue@70.64.19.222) left irc: [20:23] davanger (n=davanger@84.76.212.169) joined ##slackware. [20:23] Strykar_ (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-e4a9ee6859e22da5) joined ##slackware. [20:24] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [20:24] PHughes (n=Stazer@cpe-66-108-212-246.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:24] lf4: where do you live now? [20:25] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:25] lol "Mormon State" I just recently moved to Utah about 5 months ago. [20:26] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] I've lived so many places though so i just say i'm from all over. [20:26] i been through Utah a few times on I-80 [20:26] Yeah I'm pretty close to where I-80 comes in to the state. [20:26] west or east [20:27] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left ##slackware. [20:27] lostnhell (n=lostnhel@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [20:27] North East [20:28] What about yourself Pig_Pen? [20:28] Gryphyn (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:28] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:28] what i miss about driving long haul is the scenery, going east on I-80 through nevada it is mountains and after entering utah it slopes downward until you hit the flatland & the salt lake area then it starts back in to the mountains after saltlake city area [20:29] ilive in the south east part of oklahoma, just a few miles outside a smallish medium sized redneck town [20:29] Yeah its a great drive, I was towing my 1955 Chevy Belair coming down the mountians and just let the engine of our van do the breaking it was nice. [20:30] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-37-182.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: [20:31] 55 chevy thats a classic worth some money [20:31] Pig_Pen: see the usa in your chevrolet: http://www.vintagechevrolet.org/articles/VCO_2001019_dinahshore.htm [20:32] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:33] lol, thats an oldie, i have not heard Dinah sing in many years [20:33] Pig_Pen: Yeah my father got it when he was 19 and rebuilt it then with starting a family and everything it kind of was put on hold and when i was 17 I took it on as my project car. [20:34] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:34] that chevy tv commercial reminds me of my childhood watching tv after school [20:34] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) joined ##slackware. [20:34] Pig_Pen: Here are a few photos lol I already took the 327 Small block out before we moved so I had to toss all the stuff in the car and the trunk I just cleaned the garage out today hopefully to have some space to start rebuilding it this summer. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=91686&id=688471004&l=f1a3638e1d [20:35] sweet! turquoise green & white, an original color for that era! [20:36] shes a beauty! [20:36] Thats what I hope to get it back to, can you see the other pictures of what the car is like right now? [20:36] yup [20:37] I checked the VIN and everything those were the orignal colors that I am thinking of painting it. [20:37] its a project, i know of a place in oklahoma city that sells reproduction parts for that car "classic chevy" right off interstate 35 [20:37] http://www.classicautoparts.com/ [20:38] they sell parts for both ford and chevy, [20:38] 8701 South Interstate 35 Oklahoma City, OK 73149 [20:39] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@72.252.50.155) joined ##slackware. [20:39] Nice, bookmarked it :) thanks I know I'll need some parts that are either missing or just to damaged to fix. [20:39] they even sell body parts, fenders, hoods rocker panels, but they are not cheap [20:40] Yeah that is the main problem so I figured I should get as much of it completed as I can before "family/married" life steps in and I have to deal with that instead. lol [20:40] but they are legitamite, i been in their brick & mortar store a few times [20:41] lf4: that only steps in if you let [20:41] i'd keep playing [20:41] lol [20:42] nullboy: thats true I kind of want it to step in but at the same time I feel like i might not be ready for that (which I bet is pretty normal). I just take things as they go. [20:42] pssh! [20:42] nEEEVAAARRR [20:42] Haha [20:42] when you get married and have kids, the cost of raising kids will wipe out most those high dollar hobbies off the radar, why do you think i have a cb radio base station and not the high dollar HF transeiver & HUGE antenna farm i wanted [20:43] nullboy: You sound like one of my old roommates. Haha he was so funny. [20:43] hehe [20:43] Pig_Pen: Yeah thats pretty much what happened with my Father and this car which is why I want to get it all fixed up before that happens. [20:44] well guys...i'm doing a clean install of XP onto a laptop for a client...you know what that means? [20:44] if you get that car showroom quality it will be worth a fortune, like in the 20 to 50 thousand dollar range, so be carefull and choose wisely what to spend your money on [20:44] :) [20:44] nullboy: if that chick from the hardware store would quit shooting at you in you're dreams, you'd be shacked up with her and we know it. ;) [20:44] nullboy: you going to be busy for the next 3 hours [20:44] nope, it means that it's time to start drinking [20:45] chopp: lol [20:45] chopp: dude that was so crazy [20:45] i'm going to see if ocLinux will take part in booting up my slackware install from another disc >_> [20:45] could be interesting [20:45] haha [20:45] giuppy (n=giuppy@host24-53-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: SendQ exceeded [20:45] nullboy: just wait till the shits for real. :P [20:46] lmao [20:46] nullboy, you better be charging a high hourly rate [20:46] that dream sucked. all i did was whisper something into her ear and bam...out comes a gun [20:46] Pig_Pen: True and some can even get to be as high as 80k or more. Though I don't think I'll ever sell this because its been in our family since my dad got it back in 1972 [20:47] nullboy: *BLAM* [20:47] :D [20:47] haha [20:47] i can believe it, i seen what those things go for in those classic auto auctions [20:47] edman007: i'll make sure i'm covered [20:47] nullboy, and you will probably need a keg... [20:48] i have rye and beer [20:48] i'm gooood [20:48] enough beer to survive for a week? [20:48] lol [20:48] oh shit doggy.. urxvt in winders is smokin' [20:48] \m/ [20:49] heh! i been using Linux & bash for so long i would be a lost puppy in a ms-windows terminal [20:50] Pig_Pen: really? [20:50] that's kind of sad [20:50] o_o [20:50] arch arch arch! [20:50] :D [20:50] lns40: unnecessary [20:50] lol [20:50] yeah, i abandoned ms windows a long long time ago, win98 was the last windows install i used [20:50] lulz.. the last version of windows i had installed on a machine of my own was w2k beta3 [20:50] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [20:50] matsuura: hehe [20:51] i gladly admit that i am windows impaired [20:51] lol MS has a terminal? they call it "Command Prompt" :P [20:51] .. i only know how to remove virus from them [20:51] that thing, command prompt [20:51] is actual ms-dos [20:51] :( [20:51] davanger (n=davanger@84.76.212.169) left ##slackware. [20:51] matsuura: i hate to bring it to you, but cmd.exe is a pretty far cry from DOS [20:51] macavity: i end up working on windows systems because that's what people have [20:51] nullboy: same here. [20:51] macavity: _ms_-dos [20:52] qdos [20:52] nullboy: i end up telling people that they can stick it in their pointy ears [20:52] I wish adobe cs4 products worked nicely in lunix.. problem is, they don't... thus, winders for me [20:52] macavity: true cmd.exe is not even dos its an emulated thing. [20:52] D: [20:52] thus, ms-dos [20:52] xD [20:52] no [20:53] MICROSOFTS FUCKING DOS [20:53] D: [20:53] no [20:53] o_o [20:53] haha [20:53] k [20:53] nullboy: hey, I see all those links you provided for me one day in the topic... :) [20:53] win [20:53] can't miss them [20:53] I have to keep up with all the MS stuff because thats what most companies and users have (which is annoying) but oh well. [20:54] matsuura: lol [20:54] lf4: no kidding man [20:54] macavity: you don't work on computers for a living i guess [20:54] it's a burden but, must be done [20:54] D: [20:54] nullboy: nope [20:55] well there you go [20:55] ^^^ would explain it then. [20:55] nullboy: and i am not going to untill the day where i can refuse to work with propietary stuff, and the boss says "well, we allready have the dinosaur devision handling that, so thats ok" [20:55] lol [20:55] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [20:55] i just tinker with Linux as a hobbie, i work construction (carpentry) for a living lately [20:55] nullboy: i am tracking Samba4 closely.. i see a real job oppotunity there [20:55] macavity: i'd like whatever you're smoking [20:56] hook it up bra [20:56] bra [20:56] Pig_Pen: Best thing to do have it as a hobby :) [20:56] nullboy: Red Bali Shag.. a blend of golden virginia and orients [20:56] who calls people a "bra" ? [20:56] lol [20:57] i enjoy it [20:57] macavity: dude, is your gay arguments about shit that is proprietary or not? [20:57] if so, that's really fucking stupid [20:57] D: [20:57] oh lawd [20:57] who gives a fuck when you have to get shit done [20:57] oh shit, profanity [20:57] Action: matsuura backs up [20:57] the day i can go to a company and say "i can replace your AD and Exchange servers with a Free alternative which is more stable, and requires less hardware" i will have a job in no time :P [20:57] Linux lets me use my mind, might as well just my professional life mostly involves brainless manual labor [20:57] ive allready had inquieries about that [20:58] macavity: like what? [20:58] macavity: well you do have a point there [20:58] macavity: if i could do that i would have already in many instances [20:58] it's just not there yet [20:58] nope [20:58] macavity: it doesn't seem taht was your job title then [20:58] but it will come [20:58] you don't go to work and start replacing shit [20:58] Action: lf4 likes AD servers then when I put my linux machine on the network I can see a lot more then they would want. :) [20:58] unless its your position [20:58] lf4: agreed [20:58] hahaha [20:59] well it would be my position. i'm a freelancer so i can suggest the best solution [20:59] matsuura: as i said, i've been asked a shitload of times if that was possible yet [20:59] nullboy: exactly [20:59] all the servers we have here are that of redhat (sadly) and gentoo.. have one server running server 2k3 and ad, but, no one cares much for it [20:59] >_> [21:00] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [21:00] I carried a liveCD with me to work every day when I was a helpdesk tech and once I became one of the network admin's I built a tacacs+ server on linux lol no tracing my traffic that way. ;) [21:00] nullboy: yeah, if you got a job to manaage servers, that doesn't really mean, "hey, i'm going to get rid of this horrid shit and get 'er k?" [21:00] haha [21:00] lf4: sounds like 7th grade man :p [21:00] were the times [21:00] [Nada] (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:01] then the following year, most of the computers in the school were running lunix O_o [21:01] no one knew of to properly set it up though [21:01] D: [21:01] but, I got a free computer out of the deal [21:01] [21:01] ya, then you grow up lol [21:02] matsuura: no, but it does mean I can suggest various courses of action... [21:02] matsuura: yeah something like that I just really hated using the proxy but then again the security there was so bad all AD users had admin rights to the local PC they were logged in to. I was like what the heck is that?! [21:02] yeah [21:02] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:02] lf4: lulz.. they should be glad they didnt have fsckers like me roaming that place :P [21:03] this is awesome http://cgi.4chan.org/s/src/1240706452144.jpg [21:03] it just seemed easier setting ads and ipsec shit up in server 2k3 and allow the admin to go in to fix it with shit breaking randomly if someone decides its a good idea to update [21:03] i wish i knew how to do that [21:03] that is probably one of the only things I can say I like about win servers [21:03] they wont randomly fuck up in masses [21:03] D: [21:03] nullboy: you watch that youtube video? [21:03] of the crazy granny? [21:03] =P [21:03] nullboy: oh man :P [21:04] haha I sent a remote shutdown to the other admin's pc and he thought they messed up a server update and it sent that out to all the PC's lol [21:04] acidchild2: lol yeah [21:04] xD [21:04] haha [21:04] i love the fact she's in a wheel chair [21:04] =D [21:04] schneiderr (n=me@p54BBF377.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] she looks like she's from the mafia. [21:04] lf4: must learn to fix gp D: [21:06] wow! you know that swine flu in mexico? and Obama was down there recently, check this piece out [21:06] President Barack Obama's trip to Mexico City on April 16. Obama was received at Mexico's anthropology museum in Mexico City by Felipe Solis, a distinguished archeologist who died the following day from symptoms similar to flu [21:06] copland-leopard (n=copland-@209.241.118.121) left irc: Success [21:07] Pig_Pen: it's not a big deal...the President would have already have been vaccinated [21:07] Pig_Pen: maybe thats what I have... I had a temp of 102 two days ago, some random fever. [21:07] there are a few anti-virals that work on swine flu also [21:07] projectile vomiting is a symtom of this particular strain of swine flu [21:08] lots of vomiting [21:08] vaccinated with the help of nanobots! [21:09] vitamin D is good for boosting immunity [21:09] yes, vomiting is gonna be olympic soon [21:10] gnubien: which explains why I probably got sick lol dont get much of that in the basement with the windows covered. [21:10] lets hope it does not turn in to a pandemic like that 1918 flu that killed millions [21:11] turmeric spice alsa is a immune booster [21:11] Cat's Claw [21:12] i use cat's claw when i surf in polluted waters [21:12] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [21:12] div id="backdrop" style="width:450px;height:700px;overflow:auto"> [21:13] is there a way to put a background in thast [21:13] that* [21:13] schneiderr: haha [21:13] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [21:13] how do i layer it behind everything [21:13] echinacea is a immune booster [21:13] methylated: it's impossible [21:13] WTF im in the wrong channel [21:13] i thought this was #css [21:13] nullboy: you mean there is water somewhere in california that isn't polluted? [21:13] man can't believe how many dependecies kde4 has if you want a fully working install of it ... [21:13] yeah, noob [21:13] methylated, it's a meth thing ;P [21:13] kitche: no kidding [21:13] chopp: lol believe it or not yes, there are some nice beaches that are hard to get to [21:14] cool [21:14] but the times that i have gotten to most ill have been from polluted water near river mouths and harbors [21:16] it's interesting how global travel has sped up mutations of diseases. heck, even insects are getting better [21:16] one of our labs is right now sequencing a bed bug that's resistant to pesticides [21:18] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] nullboy: some day I'm just going to jump on the bike, head down the west coast, accross the southern states, up the east coast back into CA. [21:18] Gryphyn (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:19] chopp: let me know, we'll get local beer! [21:19] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [21:19] or something [21:19] nullboy: oh you can be sure that I will. :P [21:19] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:19] hehe [21:21] ananke, nuke the planet from orbit, only way to be sure. [21:21] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:21] schneiderr : give it ~200 years, we'll drive ourselves to extinction :) [21:22] that many, eh? [21:22] ananke: hiway to hell -acdc [21:22] \m/ [21:22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn6WZh17BF4 here ya go schneiderr [21:23] it's gonna be interesting. crisis, pandemic, 2012, all knocking on our front door [21:24] hah, good one Pig_Pen [21:24] oh well, i lived a good live without regrets, if its time to take a dirt nap then so beit [21:24] nothing like it, ipod in his ears and some nutjob telling him YOU STINK [21:24] man I wish I could read and understand Italian [21:25] molta bene! [21:25] kitche, a) whats her name b) are you sure? c) admit you havent read b. [21:27] http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en paste it in here and let google translate it [21:27] schneiderr: no I started to read Inferno [21:27] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left ##slackware. [21:27] Dante's Infero? good book! [21:27] Pig_Pen: yeah the whole book I already have a translation it's dual one [21:28] the one by Larry Niven, not the old one [21:29] nothing worse than a good story and an author incapable of telling it. and yes, Inferno is a good one. [21:30] i used to have a nice library of good horror fiction and sci/fi [21:30] I have some Allen guy's translation [21:30] its gone, sold in a yard sale [21:30] supposely it's one of the better translations [21:32] so hot here today .... [21:33] humid here today, wind from the south bringing in gulf air [21:34] wildfire is a few miles from me 50 acres and usualyl we never get wildfires around ehre [21:34] that big fire in calif? [21:35] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] "here comes those santa ana winds again" --steely dan [21:35] id like to visit (maybe stay at) antarctica. prefer the cold anyway, heat & humidity just kill me. [21:36] i remember, those hot dry winds from the high desert [21:36] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060015e964b923.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060015e964b923.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:41] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:42] macavity: how is the intel 945GM support for 3D these days? [21:42] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-151-93-65.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:43] nullboy: when i get to current i will tell you [21:43] hmm [21:44] nullboy: according to the docs, it is the only one that actually works with Gallium3D [21:44] i have the opportunity to swap my laptop which has an Nvidia Quadro, for the exact same model that has a 945GM [21:44] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:44] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:44] nullboy: but from what i hear, with an upgraded xorg stack everything is pretty much just honky dorry [21:45] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:45] nullboy: arent those Quadro graphics good and worth keeping? [21:45] nullboy: current is still a little on the lame side wrt xorg :P [21:45] macavity: does current have that new stack already or would it require a recompile? [21:45] Pig_Pen: yes [21:45] macavity: ah [21:45] nullboy: but you dont need to update everything and its grandmother [21:45] Pig_Pen: the laptop with the intel is newer but it is the same model. my current laptop is the version with the quadro though [21:46] nullboy: that is why i am switching.. i dont want to build the whole fscking shabang all over again, just to test out something new [21:46] macavity: so under -current the update is fairly easy to pull off? [21:47] nullboy: rworkman and thrice` have already done it.. ping them for exact details [21:47] thanks [21:47] I'm not on slackware on my laptop, however [21:47] thrice`: do you use an Intel 945GM under 0current? [21:48] ah [21:48] 965 [21:48] I have a 945gm on my latop. [21:48] there are quite a few differences between 65 and 45 wrt the OpenGL driver [21:48] witz: do you use google earth or play quake 3 / openarena? [21:49] but the 2D drivers are pretty much on par [21:49] i'm on crux with x-server 1.6.1, mesa 7.4.1, intel 2.7.0 and linux 2.6.29.1 currently [21:49] (and hal) [21:49] I got 3d working, with drivers from slackware. I've played urban terror on it. [21:49] that mod still around? [21:49] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:50] But rather poor performance had to turn everything way down. [21:50] thrice`: what kind of performance do you get? [21:50] thrice`: eg, running piglit? [21:50] Google earth worked fine. [21:50] piglit??? :) [21:50] witz: thanks for the infos [21:50] witz: i 945 does not have hardware T&L [21:51] i think i'll keep my nvidia model for now [21:51] thrice`: the defacto driver quality assessment tool, used by the mesa devs [21:51] _juan (n=juan@190.75.80.13) joined ##slackware. [21:51] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:51] nullboy: the Quatro is much faster anyhow.. you need to get to 965 before things become comparable [21:52] yeah, i have to admit...so far this Quadro NVS110 has rocked [21:52] it's a portable battery destroyer but pretty damn fast [21:52] <_juan> has anyone experienced different screen resolutions when starting the computer with the screen off and with the screen on? [21:53] no [21:53] macavity: It's a onboard chip what can you expect. :P [21:56] witz: technically in all laptops the gfx is "onboard" :P [21:56] witz: however, the i965 is actually not that bad [21:57] yeah, my nvidia chip comes off :o [21:57] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] <_juan> does anybody know why i get different screen resolutions being the only difference sometimes booting the desktop with the screen off or with the screen on? [21:57] macavity: it behaves very well here [21:58] _juan: yes.. X cannot read the monitors PnP info when it is off [21:58] I hit a KMS failure and has since reverted, but good otherwise :) [21:59] _juan: and, X being a sensible thing and all, it thus settles for a sane default that wont blow anyones monitor up [21:59] thrice`: KMS is apparently still a WIP [22:00] <_juan> thanks macavity, i have to say that my screen looks a lot better when i boot with my screen off [22:00] _juan: then you should probably configure your xorg correctly :P [22:01] xorg.conf is a thing of the past :) [22:01] thrice`: then we slackers live in the past ;-) [22:01] oh wait.. nothing new here, move along [22:02] <_juan> the thing is that i installed an old nvidia card and it ran beutifully, but for some weird reason, it didn't work anymore, i reinstalled the driver, checked my xorg.conf, , and nothing [22:02] fsck I just had an flashack [22:02] macavity: back to the future again ;) [22:02] <_juan> then i just booted my pc with the screen off, and that was it :D [22:02] gnubien: i am working on it.. just waiting for the last torrent to finish. Then this machine gets the big wipe [22:03] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [22:03] gnubien: time to go current again [22:03] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:03] macavity: which xorg-server version does slackware 12.2 or 12.1 use? [22:04] 1.4.x [22:05] current likewise [22:05] nice, lots of problems with 1.5 and 1.6 for me [22:05] the entire 1.5 series was hosed [22:06] 1.6 likewise [22:06] it just needs to be done properly [22:06] thrice++ [22:06] in many other distros eyes, 1.4.x was actually the worst of the three [22:07] i really really hope Patrick holds off 13 untill we can get a fully updated X [22:07] so when does patrick come around here? [22:07] davanger (n=davanger@84.76.212.169) joined ##slackware. [22:07] when he pleases [22:08] that means, not very often [22:08] it would be nice if the next version had the updated wireless stack working too [22:08] just tried to install the slack 12.2 on a new mac pro and no go.... [22:08] nullboy: -current has .29.1 [22:08] macavity: what nick does he go by? [22:08] matsuura: volkerdi [22:08] ah [22:08] macavity: i run -current [22:08] :P [22:08] but no, the updated wireless is not working for anyone yet [22:08] I hear his name thrown around like everyone talks to him constantly.. just was wondering [22:08] _n30_ (n=_n30_@189-10-228-239.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:09] there libs are part of current now but it's not fully enabled yet [22:09] so im guessing hugesmb.a does not include support for nehalem [22:09] matsuura: that how it goes when there is just The One Maintainer [22:09] _n30_ (n=_n30_@189-10-228-239.paemt701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:09] I suppose :p [22:10] davanger: you should talkt to straterra about that.. i think it is something with EFI [22:11] what does xfce save when saving a session and logging out? [22:11] davanger: as in, you will need to construct your own kernel and stuck on the boot media for it to fly [22:11] lf4: a snapshot of your soul [22:11] _juan (n=juan@190.75.80.13) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:11] lf4: XSession data from all XSession aware apps :P [22:11] boot with a kernel that has efi support? [22:12] i think ubuntu might work. there is someone that got it to work with bootcamp [22:12] davanger: maybe something more than that.. i dont know.. i just heard them talk about it [22:14] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:22] _ohm (n=mark@nom19029a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:25] sleepytime, laters [22:25] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:27] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [22:28] chopp: do you know anything about the atheros ar5bxb63 ? [22:28] mini pci e card for laptops [22:29] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] greetings and salutations [22:30] Hi andarius [22:30] salutations lf4 [22:31] greetings andarius. How are you? [22:31] wotcha andarius :) [22:31] nullboy: no I'm not familiar with that one. [22:32] salutations firebird619. i am well, you ? [22:32] wotcha BP{k} :) [22:32] andarius: I am great. Thank you. [22:32] eddie_grey (n=eddie@189.101.233.2) joined ##slackware. [22:35] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.37.226) joined ##slackware. [22:35] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060015e964b923.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:35] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060015e964b923.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:37] lol weird... so I changed over to xfce and now my desktop has two Home, Trash and System links yet when I do ls -al at ~/Desktop I only see 4 files. How does xfce handle desktop icons compared to KDE? [22:37] lf4, you're probably seeing the icons there that KDE makes in addition to XFCE's [22:38] Would KDE have fits if I removed the *.desktop files? [22:38] lf4, only way I found to figure who's is who's is to dbl click on them, if they opened in XFCE, then it was XFCE's. problem is, if you delete the two that aren't XFCE's and go back to KDE, well you have to recreate them [22:39] lf4, so I recommend you make a folder in your home, put kde's icons in there, and keep if you ever need it later, simplest approach i found [22:39] or perhaps a simple rename [22:39] :) Alright will do. Thanks Old_Fogie [22:40] lf4, kde 3.5.10 or under wont care if those two icons' are gone if you boot back in, but like I said, they wont be available to you. [22:41] Action: Old_Fogie is hunting down a patch to get xfce 4.4 series to build on gtk/glib latest in an attempt not to use xfce 4.6 [22:43] I actaully never used the desktop icons so it does not really matter to me but I'll move then to a hidden folder just incase I end up going oops later on haha. [22:43] Old_Fogie: why dont you want to use 4.6 ? [22:43] andarius, the menu entry "other" has nearly 150 apps in ! :( [22:44] andarius, no 'custom' menu's [22:44] you can make them is just not easy (i think). what on earth do you have installed to have 150 apps... [22:45] nullboy: looking like it has an AR5007 but not alot of info out there for it is there. [22:45] andarius, well the '150 apps' is typical linux, ya know, small binaries for some app, that the various desktops put into some 'sub-menu' in their DE, and so XFCE see's the desktop files, and just slaps them all in 'other' [22:46] Old_Fogie: i dont have that issue :P [22:46] andarius, like you have a menu entry for 'camera' from kde in other, all of kde's control panel items have a desktop file on the box, they go in 'other'. so yeah you build gnome too, and now it's a complete nightmare. [22:46] i only use one DE so perhaps that is why i dont have a problem with that [22:47] andarius, I guess, if I can't figure out how to get xfce 4.4 to build, then I'll have to learn how to edit the xml file's like kde does to get it's custome menu. [22:47] andarius, 4.4 does build, but for some reason, the xfce menu item itself, once you click on, segfaults :( [22:47] andarius, gives errror's of 'unused symbols', which makes sense, glib2 and gtk2 have changed so much, I wouldn't down their not binary compat any more [22:47] slack 12.2 or -current ? [22:48] andarius, oh my gtk stack is past --current :) [22:48] surprisingly, only xchat and xfce menu is only two apps that break for gtk/glib2 compat [22:54] winter (n=winter@72-160-220-203.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Success [22:56] winter (n=winter@75-121-170-103.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:06] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-96af3b26b5bfde0b) joined ##slackware. [23:08] Strykar_ (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-e4a9ee6859e22da5) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:16] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [23:16] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [23:18] http://siouxcity.craigslist.org/bar/1140383580.html [23:19] desperate perv there [23:20] mogunus (n=user@173.9.7.10) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:20] "must... have... new.... porn!!!" [23:26] hey this is pretty cool: http://siouxcity.craigslist.org/bar/1122049275.html [23:27] and wtf! is this? http://siouxcity.craigslist.org/bar/1128585169.html [23:31] CL is out of hand [23:31] in fact i just bought a laptop off CL today [23:32] only 354MB left to download... [23:33] are you downloading pornographic videos? :O [23:33] nullboy: hshs [23:33] haha [23:34] matsuura: windows updates [23:34] _ohm (n=mark@nom19029a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) left irc: Client Quit [23:34] and i even installed SP3 before hand...still 354MB [23:35] Old_Fogie, how about them padres .... 8-0 against the pirates and it's only the 6th [23:35] :( [23:35] errr 0-8 ie: big lose [23:36] nullboy: no point in updating windows.. it will still get pwned and/or crash :P [23:37] malicious software removal tool :o [23:39] nullboy: heh i thought you meant 'only 354MB left to download of the laptop that you bought from CL' [23:40] nullboy, hahaha, still doing the install? [23:40] matsuura: you dont need any special tool to remove malicious software from redmond... dd or shred on the infected partition will solve the problem :P [23:40] edman007: you know it [23:41] the formatting took a while [23:41] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:41] macavity: try telling the folks at ms that [23:41] D: [23:41] I tried, they didn't really know what I was talking about [23:41] nullboy, pwnt [23:41] maybe I was in the wrong building D: [23:42] yeah how about this fantastic buy http://ventura.craigslist.org/sys/1137579501.html [23:42] ...who the fsck .... [23:42] matsuura: the last MSCE i talked to ran out of arguments.. and coinsidently he ran out of good manners at the exact same point in time [23:42] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [23:42] nullboy: :( [23:42] I'm an MCSE [23:42] i dont know if there is a connection there.. [23:43] lol [23:43] yeah, seriously [23:44] mcses who are really mcses are stupid... [23:44] D: [23:45] either they've never seen lunix or the likes.. Or, they are well, stupid and live in denial [23:45] i'm really an mcse... [23:45] we only need to pry AD, Exchange and the gaming segment from their soon-to-be-rigor-mortified fingers... [23:45] i run linux on my laptop... [23:45] nullboy: liar [23:45] your generalizing to the uber degree... [23:45] you're* [23:46] nullboy: you may have the certificate.. but you "are" not one [23:46] yeah dude, people who trust microsoft products to the core of their heart are fucking dumb [23:46] .... [23:46] nullboy: way to much sense comes out of you to satisfy that :P [23:46] seriously [23:46] xD [23:46] certificates are useless [23:46] maxote: really? [23:46] maxote: not her in the PNW [23:46] maxote: do you have any? [23:46] innovationless [23:46] o_o [23:47] maxote: do you hold any certifications of any type? [23:47] i really like when people handling a car are certified drivers.... [23:47] they are not suppose to be that of innovation [23:47] i've 0 certifications [23:47] just to proove you know your shit [23:47] maxote: why am i not surprised [23:47] just like a degree [23:47] especially if they are driving an 18 wheeler... [23:47] mmm beer [23:47] matsuura: i hold a bachelor's degree too. [23:47] nullboy: good :o [23:48] you're still not a microsoft type [23:48] the certifications are an encumbrance [23:48] maxote: they get you a job [23:48] with ease [23:48] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:48] they see that you have you're certification and they are all like, "yeah this dude knows! :O" [23:48] who Jesus need a Temple certification? [23:49] what? [23:49] how the hell does this relate to Jesus? [23:49] oh, right.. its the dude i /ignore'd yesterday.. now i remember why [23:49] ... [23:49] xD [23:49] *** Now ignoring maxote [23:49] If jesus wanted to get into the temple, he'd have to proove he is worthy, yes [23:49] maxote: you hold no certifications of any type but you're an authority on their role in the industry? [23:50] rather it be on a certificate or demonstration he'd have to have something to show [23:50] SirStan (n=sirstan@yukstah.com) joined ##slackware. [23:50] Jesus asked them many issues about authorities in the temple [23:50] nullboy: what do you have a degree in? [23:50] Was linux ever able to boot on an I386 system without a bootloader? [23:50] and then...? [23:51] business management and I minored in information tech [23:51] ah [23:51] lkjbdij67th (n=sgspojr@ppp-70-252-80-122.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:51] did you graduate with honors? [23:51] yes [23:51] :) [23:51] SirStan: the first kind of kernel images were just placed at the first adress of either the MBR or partition beginning [23:51] what was your gpa? [23:51] suma cuma laude [23:52] macavity: when did that stop being possible? [23:52] lkjbdij67th (n=sgspojr@ppp-70-252-80-122.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net) left ##slackware. [23:52] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [23:52] :) [23:52] lkjbdij67th (n=sgspojr@ppp-70-252-80-122.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:52] nullboy: pics? [23:52] :o [23:52] SirStan: the day we desided that compressed kernel images were a good idea :P [23:52] lol [23:52] macavity: it was way after that wasnt it? [23:52] matsuura: during the ceremony that was all i was thinking too [23:52] erm way before* [23:53] nullboy: of the degree I mean [23:53] >_> [23:53] haha [23:53] SirStan: i *belive*, but dont shoot me if i am wrong, that you can just take the vmlinuz file and dd it to MBR [23:53] macavity: really. [23:53] SirStan: afaik vmlinuz is magicified into bzImage [23:53] with a boot loader! [23:54] lies! [23:54] no, with bzip [23:54] look it up in the Makefile [23:54] thx. [23:55] SirStan: dont forget to use rdev to set the default root device... [23:55] SirStan: that is one of the reasons we prefere boot loaders to this day [23:55] SirStan: they, as the name implies, give us control over how things are booted ;-) [23:56] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [23:56] endian is awesome [23:57] bahh [23:57] andarius: big or little? [23:57] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.91.235) joined ##slackware. [23:57] hey now [23:57] no endianinginging in here [23:57] lkjbdij67th (n=sgspojr@ppp-70-252-80-122.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net) left irc: [23:57] heh :P [23:58] could one argue that endian is assome? [23:58] dyforc (n=Administ@222.172.221.99) joined ##slackware. [23:58] hello [23:58] hello [23:58] nullboy: you dont hang your degree up on your wall framed or anything? [23:59] anybody knows when the next version of slackware release? [23:59] tommorow [23:59] why? [23:59] matsuura: no [23:59] dyforc: as always it is "when it is ready" [23:59] You having some issues? [23:59] nullboy: why not? [23:59] Jean (n=jean@93-36-228-140.ip62.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:59] what are the last issues? [23:59] matsuura: i wear it around my neck, duh [23:59] j/k [23:59] dyforc: we usually get a heads up when the release candidate is tagged.. after that it is usually 3 weeks to a month [23:59] macavity: more precisely in which moonth? [00:00] --- Sun Apr 26 2009