[00:00] birdlives (~birdlives@96.240.50.121) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:02] Damn, still nothing. I dont get it because sound worked last time I installed Slack. Smae version same iso, same everything now I got nuthin [00:02] Hey StonedSlacker [00:02] How's it going :) [00:03] Aaxtroz: Sup mah kneegrow!? [00:03] Workin on sound tonight. [00:04] Slack-13? [00:04] Yep, 64 bit [00:04] HM [00:05] Upgraded to current yet? [00:05] Not this time. I had current running a few weeks ago [00:06] What's wrong with your sound? [00:06] audio card not detected or.. ? [00:07] I don't know. It worked last time I installed. Right outta the box too. This is the same version and everything but for some reason I don't have sound this time [00:07] It says everything works but it doesnt [00:07] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:07] And yes, I did unmute alsamixer :) [00:08] I'm gonna make an ashtray that sounds an alarm if you dump it and there is a roach in it. [00:08] is aplay working? [00:08] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:08] aplay? I'm not familiar [00:08] aplay comes with alsa [00:09] StonedSlacker: is there a /proc/asound ? [00:09] aplay -l to get a list of devices and then use -aplay -DhwX,Y somefile.wav while replacing X,Y with the corresponding numbers for your audio card (usually 0,0 for the first audio card) [00:10] see if that works [00:10] ang: Indeed there is [00:10] mine works [00:10] mohaa (~nome@92.49.78.161) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:10] you don't have anything weird like a sound card AND onboard sound, do you? [00:13] ang: Nope, just onboard [00:13] Axtroz: ALSA lib pcm.c:2202:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM hw0,1 I tried 0,0 and 1,1 too [00:14] StonedSlacker, pastebin the output of aplay -l [00:14] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/6o8f4M18.html [00:17] Ofcourse It'll error out... I must be gettin' sleepy... The syntax is aplay -Dhw:0,0 audiofile.wav [00:17] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:17] i forgot the : [00:18] It claims to be playing [00:18] StonedSlacker, you on speakers? [00:18] Yeah [00:18] They powered on ? [00:18] Yep, the lights ar eon anyway [00:18] Plugged in the right places [00:19] and stuff ? [00:19] I know it sounds silly but there was a guy tryin' to ssh to a PC that had the internet cable unplugged [00:19] the colors match on the speaker plug and jack, lemme move it to be sure [00:19] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.45.54) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:19] so one may never know :) [00:19] Also check the speaker volume [00:20] not the mixer [00:20] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:20] and recheck all channels... I got strange issues with unmuted master channel but muted "front" [00:20] and got no sound [00:20] also with older alsa I got a PCM channel too [00:20] Ooo, are you talking about how to assign each channel to the front / left / etc? [00:21] So i had 3 controls for my volume - PCM, Master and Front [00:21] All those things check out. I have double checked alsa mixer too because I know if 'external' is unmuted it mutes all my other channels for some reason. [00:21] Nope, StonedSlacker has sound issue [00:21] no sound coming from the speakers at all [00:21] none [00:21] while everything reports that it works [00:21] correct\ [00:21] bastard like behavior [00:22] slightly unseated pci card? [00:22] hey StonedSlacker tried playing something with aplay -Dhw:0,1 or stuff ? [00:22] Just in case [00:23] SlashQuit: Onboard [00:23] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [00:23] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:23] Axtroz: I did. Anything other than 0,0 errored out [00:24] kde,xfce,etc? [00:24] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [00:24] Hm [00:24] Try updating alsa packages to -current [00:24] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-73.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [00:24] I might do that [00:25] y0 Rat409, how's it going? [00:25] fire|bird: good,thanks,yourself? [00:25] Rat409: great, thanks. I'm going to build 2.6.33 on the laptop here in a few. [00:26] sweet,i noticed it @distrowatch [00:27] farhat (~farhat@41.99.81.57) joined ##slackware. [00:27] StonedSlacker, my sound is registered as HDA nvidia....i had the same problem before but it had something to do with me monkeying around with the version of my driver... [00:27] i.e installing old driver (vice versa) [00:28] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [00:28] crashdata: I think you just said something there. I am using Nvidia's drivers for my video card and if irc it does something to or with sound\ [00:29] Nope nvidia drivers have nothing to do with it, i'm positive [00:29] unless you've downloaded some chipset driver from nvidia [00:30] mines same i'm using kde daemons but my volctrl systray app is using xfce4-mixer. i'm never in kde or xfce4 tho [00:30] what happened with mine before was..i installed the new nvidia driver [00:30] Axtroz: Did you enjoy dashing my hopes just then? [00:30] then i messed up and installed an older version [00:30] that screwed up my sound... [00:30] StonedSlacker, not rly man, just tryin to help fix that [00:32] not sure if u covered this already [00:32] if ur using kde [00:32] u can click on system settings.. [00:32] multimedia [00:32] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [00:32] maybe check which sound device u want to use [00:33] u can run a test that way...might worth a shot [00:33] tuvok302Lappy (Nancy@clgrtnt5-port-47.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:33] crashdata: I am using kde, kde4 I cant seem to find system>settings [00:34] StonedSlacker, just Alt+F2 and type systemsettings in KDE4 to go to the settings panel [00:34] And btw... [00:34] when you ran alsaconf [00:34] were you in KDE? [00:35] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:35] I was having issues back then when running alsaconf while in KDE like strange device unregistering and rediscovery by phonon ( You, know the device xxxx is not available, should kde remove it from the list, etc) [00:35] click on kde launcher [00:36] then move to computer [00:36] PathagenX (~pathagenx@125-238-63-199.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [00:36] It says everything is fine [00:37] you could try going in init 3 and runing alsaconf again and unmuting again the devices. Then save your alsa settings with su -c "alsactl store". Also check if your user is in the audio group with the groups command. [00:37] I'm not gonna mess with it anymore tonight, screw it [00:37] check if you have sound with root... [00:37] I did the aplay stuff as root [00:39] dont know... [00:39] beats me :| [00:40] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. 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[01:05] TheNexT (thenext@c-68-81-156-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:06] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:07] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [01:07] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [01:09] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:09] jiraia (~nnet@187.4.64.183) joined ##slackware. [01:12] jiraia (~nnet@187.4.64.183) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:15] gavin__ (~48947694@gateway/web/freenode/x-klrijvzondmpyevh) joined ##slackware. [01:16] Camarade_Tux (~adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:17] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [01:17] I just successfully installed Slackware! YAYYAAHHHH! [01:18] congrats! :) [01:18] woot [01:18] which one? [01:18] jiraia (~nnet@187.4.64.183) joined ##slackware. [01:19] 13? [01:19] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:20] 13 :) [01:20] It was very easy actually. [01:20] jiraia (~nnet@187.4.64.183) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:21] I thought Slackware was one that was like, the mother of all hard installs, I was wrong. [01:21] Gentoo is. :P [01:22] Now, do I have to go a different way about installing my graphics card? Or can I just install it from the .bin file? I have an ATI Radeon HD 3100. [01:23] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:25] gavin__: "hard" much like "easy" and "userfriendly" are rather subjective terms dependent on the user and their knowledge ;) [01:26] True. [01:26] I guess, the AVERAGE user, couldn't do it. [01:26] Maybe. [01:26] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:27] But BP{k}... How do I go about installing my graphics card in Slackware? [01:27] jiraia (~nnet@187.4.64.183) joined ##slackware. [01:29] Nvm. I found a guide. :) [01:30] jiraia (~nnet@187.4.64.183) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:35] jhw_ (~jhw@p5B3E4F18.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:39] which card do you have? [01:40] lspci | grep -i display [01:40] HD 3100 he said earlier. It's an IGP, the 760G chipset iirc [01:40] Politics (~Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:40] ah - intel [01:41] nope, AMD [01:41] hmmm [01:41] have to go back and review my chipsets then [01:41] No, wait, 780V apparently [01:42] ..? [01:42] The Radeon HD 3100 is an integrated GPU [01:42] yes, it is. [01:43] i still need an fglrx driver. [01:46] gavin___ (~gavin@adsl-072-148-118-148.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:46] Sorry, I'm back. [01:47] gavin__ (~48947694@gateway/web/freenode/x-klrijvzondmpyevh) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:48] Politics (~Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:49] Maybe you can help Politics. [01:49] :)\ [01:49] hm? [01:49] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.120) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:49] Trying to install ATi Radeon HD 3100 driver. [01:49] do I have to go about doing it differently in Slackware> [01:49] ? [01:51] jiraia (~nnet@187.4.64.183) joined ##slackware. [01:51] depends on if you get the driver from slackbuilds or try a manual install [01:52] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [01:52] I don't see it on slackbuilds.org [01:53] so i must have to install manually [01:53] jiraia (~nnet@187.4.64.183) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:54] ati-driver-installer-9-3-x86.x86_64.run <-- looks like that's the one I installed on the office machine [01:56] Yes. I will need to install the same one. [01:56] :) [01:56] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV380 [Radeon X600 (PCIE)]01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV380 [Radeon X600] [01:56] that's the card I have at the office [01:56] Do I just execute the .run file using chmod? or is it different in Slackware? [01:57] sh ./ati-driver-blah should do the trick as well [01:57] Oh okay :) [01:57] as LSD` points out, you can just "/bin/sh ./ati......" as root [01:57] I thought I would have to do something more complicated. [01:57] I hear that a lot [01:58] chmod'ing it +x will certainly work, but it' [01:58] Like using slackbuild or whatever. I just installed Slackware like an hour ago. [01:58] s an extra step [01:58] giuppy (~giuppy@host200-162-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [01:58] one guy at the office heard I had slackware on the laptop and his comment was "I thought slackware was only for servers" [01:58] :P [01:58] It seems like a very very nice OS. [01:58] http://www.sbopkg.org/ [01:59] slackware installer-type front end for slackbuilds.org [01:59] works very nice [01:59] so its a cli front end for slackbuilds.org? [02:00] ncurses frontend for slackbuilds.org [02:00] menu driven just like pkgtools [02:00] download sbopkg package, installpkg sbopkg*.txz and run with it [02:00] _slackin_ (~slackin@124.45.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [02:01] Oh wait. Do I have to install something to get networkmanager running in system tray? [02:01] sorry - "installpkg sbopkg*.tgz" [02:02] use wicd from /extra - works better than knetworkmanager [02:02] just add your user to netdev group [02:03] and wicd works very well with wired/wireless connections as well [02:03] naraku (1000@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:03] I sort of need the other for my 3G usb modem. [02:04] so i need knetworkmanager. [02:04] :( [02:04] unfortunately, its so buggy. [02:04] yep [02:04] well, might give wicd a try anyway and see what happens [02:04] wicd should work [02:05] finally got slackware workin on this POS laptop [02:05] I've use WICD before.. I like it a lot. I guess I'll just use it again. [02:05] gavin___: I use umtsmon for 3G, but that needs qt3 and is dead [02:06] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:06] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [02:06] Darn :P [02:06] Oh well. [02:06] works well though [02:06] I don't use it too often. [02:06] I can just dual boot I guess. :( [02:06] dual boot to what? [02:08] Dumb old Windows. [02:08] No scratch that. [02:08] I wont do it. [02:08] I'm completely boycotting MS. xD [02:09] nothing wrong with using windows if you have to [02:09] key words "have to" :) [02:09] Thats the thing. I don't want to feel forced to use it. [02:09] because I "have to". [02:09] then find a 3G thing that works on linux well ;P [02:10] That would mean Linux isn't desktop ready if I NEED Windows for anything. [02:10] no - it means some companies are tied to MS in unhealthy ways [02:10] This is the year of Linux on the desktop [02:10] wait [02:10] that is every year [02:10] hey is there any way to set a compile prefix without .configure? [02:10] True: allisonken1noc [02:11] PathagenX: you mean short of sed on the makefile? [02:11] I have made a script to co the latest netsurf and compile but it all goes to /usr/local [02:11] How do I install wicd though? It doesn't tell me how in the read me. [02:11] BP{k}, yes [02:11] PathagenX: depends on the makefile or how the build setup was created by the programmers [02:11] gavin___, just like other packages "installpkg wicd -*.t[xg]z" [02:11] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-2751e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:11] just Makefiles, no ./cpnfigure --prefix= [02:12] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:12] gavin___, you can also look at slackpkg to help you with that as well [02:12] I've never installed a package in Slackware before, so I didn't know. :P [02:12] just uncomment the appropriate mirror line in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors and run [02:12] I catch on fast though. [02:12] have you been through the slackbook yet? [02:13] Lab_Rat (~lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:13] type "/topic" and see th elink for slackbook [02:13] No. I don't have the patience. Even though it would be extremely helpful. [02:13] slackbook is on the DVD too [02:13] you can still look through the contents/TOC page and have a quick glance [02:14] I guess I could. :P [02:14] I would first look at slackpkg seriously, though [02:14] slackpkg for official packages, and sbopkg for 3rd party slackbuilds.org [02:14] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:15] I'm guessing Slackware will take some getting used to. [02:15] I'm willing to though. [02:15] morning [02:15] no more than other distro's [02:15] I've heard so many good thins about it's stability. [02:15] morning slava [02:16] It's 1:15 AM here. I guess you could say morning. What time is it there? [02:16] most think slackware is hard [02:16] if it's any indication, I've got a p3 running slack 8.1 that's been running for over 8 years [02:16] it's 00:16 [02:16] alisonken1noc: stop showing off. ;) [02:16] it's 23:16 here [02:16] BP{k}, just noting the truth :) [02:17] however, my desktop here at the office got rebooted last month - something about -current and a kernel change .... [02:18] gavin___, 09:17, utc+2, ukraine [02:18] good night boys and girls and frayed [02:18] nite naraku [02:19] alisonken1noc, you still run 8.1? i thought this one can only be found in a museum :) [02:19] slava_dp: it's a router from 2 employers ago that was installed as 8.1 originally and hasn't stopped yet [02:20] WARNING: Package has not been created with 'makepkg' [02:20] Package wicd-1.6.2.1-x86_64-1.txz installed. [02:20] 3 nics [02:20] wicd is a noarch, no? [02:20] no. [02:21] gavin___, where did you get this package? [02:21] It's x86_64 [02:21] i got it from the dvd. [02:21] wicd-1.5.9-noarch-1_slack12.2 [02:21] are you running slackware or slackware64? [02:21] no it's arch specific [since python is arch specific] [02:21] slackware64. [02:21] version 13.0? [02:22] what was the command you used exactly? [02:22] installpkg wicd-1.6.2.1-x86_64-1.txz [02:22] alisonken1noc, i can only praise such and old box. and "a router from 2 employers ago" sounds very cool :) [02:22] but it was a txz.asc [02:23] i changed the file extension. :O [02:23] 0_0 [02:23] LOL [02:23] the .asc is not a package - .asc is the pgp key for verification [02:23] you only want the .txz file [02:23] there isnt one. [02:23] lol. [02:23] i feel so dumb. [02:24] gavin___, slackpkg install wicd, and be done with it [02:24] ./extra/wicd/wicd-1.6.2.1-x86_64-1.txz isn't there? [02:24] ok - my earlier point - work with slackpkg for official packages :) [02:25] *sigh* i've been using linux for almost 3 years and im still a noob. [02:25] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:25] gavin___, edit /etc/slackpkg/mirrors and uncomment the line for the *64-BIT* repository of your choice [02:25] make sure it's the *64-bit* repository you uncomment [02:26] btw - did I mention make sure its a *64-bit* repository you want? [02:26] gavin___: what alisonken1noc might not have mentioned is to make sure you select a *64-bit* repository [02:26] gavin___, you're not a noob, you just have to learn different practices with a new distro. [02:27] Action: slava_dp hopes the 32/64 bit repo problem in slackpkg will get fixed somehow in 13.1 [02:27] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:28] slava_dp: I think it will. [02:29] ahh. you guys, i installed it. [02:29] manual or slackpkg? [02:29] thanks for your help, but i have to get up really early. [02:29] slackpkg [02:29] and don't forget to d/l install sbopkg as well [02:29] in about 4 hours. [02:29] :P [02:29] been there - have a good nap [02:30] Okay. I'll be backhere probably. Bye. Thanks. :D [02:30] gavin___ (~gavin@adsl-072-148-118-148.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:30] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:33] Lab_Rat (~lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:34] my slack wont pipe stderr to a file [02:34] it won't pipe anything to a file [02:35] as random as the problem is, it's there. [02:35] >> file [02:35] and > file both fail [02:35] can't echo to a file even [02:36] what are you trying to pipe to a file? [02:36] and what's the error? [02:42] what is your shell? echo $SHELL [02:44] hmm - 10 minutes and still [02:44] hahaha, gavin___ made it to noobfarm :D [02:45] chuck56 (~chuck56@66.7.171.78) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:45] well it was worthy :) [02:45] Rat409, I agree :-) [02:47] alisonken1noc, might be a troll [02:47] I have nothing [02:47] it writes nothing to the file [02:47] possibly - but at least he's trying [02:47] no errors [02:47] oh - that one [02:47] PathagenX, what is the exact command you used and what directory were you in when you tried piping to a file? [02:48] echo blahblahcummonblah >> file = NOTHING [02:48] No directory specified [02:48] it tries to save it to your current directory - what diretctory is that? [02:48] the file is created but nothing is piped [02:48] varios [02:49] well, it works in my home directory on my machine [02:49] what slackware version are you running? [02:49] what are you trying to do exactly? [02:49] WELL CONGRATU FUCKING LATIONS! [02:49] 12.2 [02:49] its owned by root if you mean /var [02:49] huh? wtf? [02:50] damnit [command] >> [filoe] [02:50] hmmm - cursing someone trying to help you. [02:50] hmmm [02:50] echo [02:50] stderr [02:50] cursing on an IRC doens't really have as muhc effect as cursing in person either [02:50] Action: slava_dp walks away [02:50] stdio [02:50] varios= /var ? [02:50] no sorr\ [02:50] or various [02:51] various [02:51] new keboard [02:51] oh [02:51] piping fails. [02:51] I can niether write nor append using > or >> [02:52] that's the shift-period key, correct? [02:52] the exact command is not important, as I could run 'fabble -v' >> dump.txt and the result and process is the same as if I typed 'moogle "lol bork" >> spiff.txt [02:52] yes [02:53] are you setup to use utf-8 or some other setting? [02:54] utf is .. as the kernel in 12.2 decides, without the append in lilo.conf [02:54] and what shell are you using? echo $SHELL [02:54] Using uxterm [02:54] Axius (~hi@92.82.87.241) joined ##slackware. [02:54] sorry urxvt [02:54] bash [02:55] so the utf8 point is a good lead [02:55] hold on please [02:55] utf8 has nothing to do with bash redirections. [02:55] try #bash perhaps. [02:55] #append=" vt.default_utf8=0" commented [02:56] but I am using urxvt (utf8 veariant of rxvt) [02:56] there could be the problem? [02:56] your terminal has nothing to do with bash redirections either. [02:56] I thought not but it seemed a valid problem [02:56] maybe my utf8 > is not an ANSI > [02:57] you can find that out [02:57] try running the easiest way to test would be to create atest file using vi of vim then try somthing like cat test > test1 [02:57] i've noticed with some cammands > doesn't work [02:57] like i installed record my desktop but i can't do recordmydesktop --help > recordhelp.txt [02:57] make a script that says "#!/bin/bash echo "$*" " [02:58] well if it is a script, launchin an exec, then the exec has no idea of the stderr/io redirects [02:58] then run "script 1 2 3 > 4 [02:58] " [02:58] recordhelp.txt will be made but --help will be sent to the terminal and not the file [02:58] I will make something simpler [02:58] and you will see if > is a redirection or an argument. [02:58] toastytoast, 2>recordhelp.txt [02:59] toastytoast, > recordhelp.txt 2>&1 [02:59] echo lol > test.txt; cat test.txt [02:59] lol [02:59] That worked [02:59] I love it when something that isn't working works when you don't want it to.. [03:00] try append [03:00] echo lol lol >> test.txt; cat test.txt [03:00] lol [03:00] lol lol [03:00] and that worked too. FFS [03:01] I swear I spent all day trying to figure out why the echoes and makes were not piping to a requested file. [03:01] toastytoast: that might be output to stderr which would be 2>recordhelp.txt [03:01] piping != redirection [03:02] ah yes it was thanks [03:02] piping is the name for the operands and act of used to redirect. [03:02] the 2> [03:02] np [03:03] redirecting stderr to another output is called piping. [03:03] Learn about redirections! Syntax: http://bash-hackers.org/wiki/doku.php/syntax/redirection and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/InputAndOutput#Redirection ## Illustrated tutorial: http://bash-hackers.org/wiki/doku.php/howto/redirection_tutorial [03:03] PathagenX, you are wrong. [03:03] typically, piping uses | and redirect output is <> [03:03] 'redirection operator' is the name of the operator and they are used for redirection [03:03] I have been piping since TSR-90 wtf are you trying to tell me? [03:03] *80 [03:04] that may be, but redirection is still != pipe [03:04] something that has been working since I've been playing with computers on the trs80 and on linux since 1993? [03:04] no | is called a pipe shift [03:04] actually, apple IIe [03:04] it does not hold the rights to the name of the action, sorry. [03:04] actually | is pipe, not shift [03:04] Axius (~hi@92.82.87.241) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:05] also, unix is not dos [03:05] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [03:05] That's redundant. [03:05] contrary to MS hype (and my son's insistence) just because you want it to mean one thing doesn't change the meaning [03:05] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-243.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:05] qft [03:06] i [03:07] you knwo what would be funny if PathagenX was SiegeX alternative personality [03:07] u [03:07] It has always meant what I was taught it was meant a long time before your little clone-OS was born. Who do you think I am to believe? You? Stick to your third rate shell and fanboy driven reasons. [03:07] PathagenX, for one thing, you don't know me or my history [03:07] evanton (~lol@unaffiliated/evanton) joined ##slackware. [03:07] for another thing, I've been working with computers a little longer than you I believe, and on more diverse systems than you appear to have knowledge of [03:08] zux (~zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:08] Your statement: "also, unix is not dos" said nothing more for you than it did all of those VAX freaks that are now jobless. [03:08] toastytoast: another possiblity [03:09] pipeing is the act of connecting the stdout of process1 with stdin of proccess2. Redirection is the act of redirecting a file descriptor to a certain file stream, generally stdout or stderr [03:09] and VMS I know [03:09] since I'm not a VAX freak and I've been employed since 1976 in various capacities, mostly computer related, I think I have some knowledge that you appear to lack [03:09] so if you've been doing lots of echo foo | grep bar | wc -l, then ^5 for pipeing [03:10] Appearances are great for assumptions and cycles are good for reasoning. [03:10] and your appearances so far are rather lacking in polish [03:10] and non-sequitur are good for writing sentences that get you nowhere [03:11] point to SiegeX [03:11] Well I cam in looking for help with a baffling problem and I have ended up in a debate over naming. I do not see what opportunity for a glossy sheen I missed. [03:12] actually, knowing the proper names helps clarify where the problems may be [03:12] as SiegeX has noted, there is a distinct difference between a pipe and a redirect [03:12] Well if I have mystified you so, with my foreign ways, I am so sarcastically apologetic/ [03:13] . [03:13] it's never too late to be accurate [03:13] thing of it this way - ask for a rubber in Australia, and ask for a rubber in the US and see what you get [03:13] 'fag' comes to mind as well [03:13] for UK vs US [03:14] another one :) [03:14] thanks for reminding me, forgot that one [03:14] a condom or an eraser. Valid. But all you clarified was that were are both wrong in each other's realm and correct in our own. [03:14] and the peace sign in the uk if your curled fingers are towards you you're asking for a smoke in the us people jsut do it cuz they think it looks cool [03:14] So corrections from either side is nothing but pompous geek-masturbation. [03:15] except you were asking for help in our realm using what we consider improper terminology, so we were chasing the wrong rabbit hole [03:15] my realm is the shell man pages/documentation not arbitrary idioms I decide to shell out [03:15] Invalid. I specified that my piping was redirection. [03:15] So you were the one that got picky and failed. [03:15] and we specified that piping and redirection are two distinct different functions [03:16] and then we ended up here. [03:16] trying to figure out what you were meaning [03:16] if you 'man bash' or 'man ksh' or 'man zsh' or 'man ash' etc. etc., they will all show you the same distinction between redirection and pipelines [03:16] So anyone else have any idea why my redirection is being so unpredictable? [03:16] all times, no path was specified before the file name [03:16] hard to tell without you copy and pasting the input & output of your shell for us to go over. [03:17] to something like pastebin or codepad.org [03:17] well as slava_dp alisonken1noc pointed out to me if you're trying to redirect stderr you should use 2> [03:17] and in all cases, the file was created and sometimes the first REDIRECTED echo in the script worked, only. [03:17] i think thats what they told me [03:17] if you were redirecting, then it would depend on what - for example, toastytoast had a redirect problem because he was using the wrong output redirect [03:17] yes >> [03:17] I'm having issues with darkstat-3.0.707 that I've just built using the slackbuild from SBo. It apparently binds to a port, because I can connect to it with telnet. But pointing the browser to the url suggested by the readme yields no result. Here is what I'm getting when running darkstat with --debug option: http://pastebin.ca/1809267. I'm using Slackware 13.0. I'm running darkstat with the only mandatory argument as suggested in the manpage - the in [03:18] I know, sorry about the lack of script. I got so frustrated with it that I cleared out all redirects and echoes, just to get netsurf compiled [03:19] night guys. [03:19] Rat409 (rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.1.1"). [03:19] I can assure though that syntax is not my problem. [03:19] ok [03:19] let's start over [03:19] what was the exact command you used, and what were you trying to accomplish? [03:20] evanton: not sure since I don't use darkstat [03:20] The baffling one is echo Compiling blahblah >> compile.log [03:20] tried with both single and double quotes [03:20] the rest was make * >> compile.log [03:20] and does that still fail to work? [03:21] svn co address >> fetch.log [03:21] yea [03:21] did you put quotes around "Compiling blahblah" [03:21] ? [03:21] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:21] It is just.. wtf?! You know. Something SO simple [03:21] alisonken1noc: I've never used it myself before, just found it accidentally and decided to have a look, but it behaves very strangely (unless I'm doing something stupid) [03:21] yea I tried double and single quotes [03:21] with echo, if there's more than one word, you should quote the full output [03:21] mhmm [03:22] actually [03:22] try: echo "Compiling blahblah" >> /tmp/compile.log [03:22] its possible that you have a permissions problem in the dir you are in [03:22] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:22] actually, its pretty much the only thing I can see it being [03:23] no the version I pastebinned was the post F!@# IT clean [03:23] I know [03:23] but I have full permissions and the file is created, blank [03:23] that thingie that appears on port 667 certainly doesn't behave like a built-in web server, because I'm trying to send a simple GET HTTP request with telnet and it doesn't react to it [03:23] i have not seen your pastebin [03:23] with sometimes the very first echo (only) appended as I expect [03:24] it has none of the redirects [03:24] evanton: perhaps the process listening on 667 is not the port that is serving up HTML [03:24] http://pastebin.com/T1jRMxRS [03:24] picture that with >> fetch.log [03:24] or >> compile.log [03:24] at the end of each needed line [03:25] SiegeX: the manpage for darkstat states that port 667 is used by default and I didn't explicitly specify another port. Also, I can see that port being open only when darkstat is running [03:25] why i should not install kde 4.4? [03:25] and why is so hard to install and use it on slack? [03:25] Troll [03:25] PathagenX, instead of redirecting inside the script, why not just redirect the output of the script? [03:25] PathagenX: perhaps make sends its output to stderr [03:25] and thus you are not redirecting any text to your file [03:26] SiegeX: I'm pretty sure that is darkstat: http://pastebin.ca/1809279 [03:26] probably script 2>&1 | tee scriptoutput.log [03:26] you can also try "script >/tmp/compile.out 2>&1: [03:26] alisonken1home, would that no in theory only redirect the output of the scrip and not the tasks it performs? [03:26] nope - because the commands are using the script stdout/stderr [03:26] or for real fun "bash -x script 2>&1 | tee scriptoutput.log" [03:26] In all cases, redirected, the output vanishes off into the Ether but shows if not redirected [03:26] WildWizard (~WildWizar@ppp118-208-52-91.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:27] so you think I should try 2> not >> ? [03:27] if you have Bash 4.X you can use &>> to append both stderr and stdout [03:27] the trick is that I can't decide if it's me doing things wrong or is darkstat playing mean games with me [03:27] try the script as you posted (without redirects in the script) and then run the script with ".. >compile.out 2>&1" [03:27] I will try that SiegeX but I am still faced with the wtf problem [03:28] even echo is unpredictable on my system. [03:28] Slackware 12.2 [03:28] nothing freaky [03:28] no hal/dbus/gstreamer [03:28] I've been working with slack since 3.5 and the redirects have always worked the same then as they do now [03:28] but apart from that,.. [03:28] alisonken1home, Yay for you? [03:29] I am aware that this is a STRANGE problem [03:29] where do i find 32bit compatibility packs for 64bit ? [03:29] But I have been fighting it all day and assure you that it is not a pink unicorn. [03:29] just letting you know that it's been working the same since well before 12.2 and I haven't seen any changes to redirecting output [03:30] there are none [03:30] alisonken1noc: this must be a case of PEBKAC - [03:30] it is a perfectly normal, simple, reliable thing [03:30] that is why I am here asking about it. [03:30] alienBOB: sounds like it [03:30] I have RTFM [03:30] this should not be happening [03:30] but it is [03:30] if we can't resolve it, that is ok. [03:31] true - and if your earlier comments about "echo foo bar >>.." are correct, then it sounds like you're using echo with multiple tokens that are not quoted [03:31] I just wanted to know if there was anything floating around that might be a valid lead [03:31] I would look at available disk space PathagenX [03:31] alienBOB, valid but not the problem [03:32] alisonken1home, mul;tiple words fail with double, single and no quotes [03:32] No dodgy characters were used [03:32] bhah. Thankyou for trying so hard. It is just too random to fix, I guess. [03:33] sincerely, thankyou. [03:33] PathagenX: http://pastebin.com/PxCdeqbQ [03:33] PathagenX: are you trying to debug a bash script? [03:33] give taht a shot [03:33] *that [03:34] SiegeX, kick ass scripting o.o [03:34] nice one [03:34] evanton, no I can't redirect output for reason X [03:35] although I would change it to http://pastebin.com/C9xdjUN3 [03:35] it leaves out the compilation of 'libparserutils' only because it doesnt follow the ../dir convention, but we can add that after the fact outside the loop later [03:35] you missed something in your for... [03:36] either that or you put '../' before each element [03:36] alisonken1noc, scripts don't change your shell's pwd, no need to popd. [03:36] what's with the push and pop? [03:36] the cd changes directory - otherwise you need to keep track of the basedir [03:37] oh ok [03:37] PathagenX, "help pushd popd [03:37] nah [03:37] I'll leave that level of awesome to the ones more specialised [03:37] Action: slava_dp always forgets the closing quote [03:37] I dont think you should need the push/pop because that script will run in a subshell, not your current shell [03:37] now if you ran it with 'exec' then thats a different story [03:37] otherwise I would suggest http://pastebin.com/HfvveLC0 [03:38] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-243.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:38] pwd means? [03:38] no - it will run in the same shell [03:38] make doesn't change the shell - you would have to do `` or $() to run in a subshell [03:38] man pwd [03:39] one thing I was hesitant to do: SVN is slow. WOuld stacking SVN checkouts from the same server cause any problems? [03:39] In theory Linux threading is pretty solid. I wouldn't know personally. [03:40] not really problems - just make sure you're not trying to c/o the same tree in different shells [03:40] at the same time [03:40] alisonken1home: http://codepad.org/QSn3uTWA [03:40] so avoid the obvious and trust in the devs. [03:41] running the script from your shell causes bash to fork off a subshell. [03:41] ok SiegeX (like the name btw) the end result is? [03:41] SeigeX: correct - but you're not changing shells within the do ... done loop, so the cd will stick between invocations of $dir [03:41] if you ran it with exec or by actually typing the commands at the prompt, then it would affect your current shell [03:42] This is why I dislike talking to geeks that are deep into the Linux heart. >.> [03:42] alisonken1noc: ahh, I was focusing on something completely different. I see what you are pointing out now [03:43] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:43] [thought] NO! [this] is better! personal [opinion] NO! INVALID! [03:43] having been bitten by that bug several times over the last couple of decades :) [03:43] good catch. so ya you will need the push pop or alternatively you can surround the code inside the loop with ( ) 's [03:43] which will force each iteration to be a subshell [03:44] or use $BASEDIR [03:44] dont have that [03:45] GUYS! Shit's fl;ying over my head. I maintain a general knowledge of any one thing. I stopped obsessing when I was 16 and realised that I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life. [03:45] SiegeX: you create it just like "for dir in ..." is creating $dir [03:45] just another shell variable [03:45] hm, I can see the slackbuild is for darkstat-3.0.707, but 3.0.712 was released in november 2008. I thinl I'll try to build 3.0.712 and see if it works [03:45] msg me when a consensus is reached. AFK smoke [03:46] ahh, when i see uppercase vars I think builtin env vars like $PWD, $BASH_VERSION etc etc. [03:47] heh [03:47] would $BaseDir have been better? [03:48] no wait [03:48] still no need for push/pop! [03:48] Just don't tell Camarade_Tux :) [03:48] each iteration of a for loop is already in a subshell [03:48] actually, no [03:48] it's still in the same shell as the script [03:49] mac- (~mac@sunrise.pi.net.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:49] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:50] |slackin| (~slackin@124.45.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:51] you're right, im confusing myself again. but it *is* possible that he does not need to use push/pop depending on where he runs that script [03:51] same issue with darkstat-3.0.712 :( [03:51] if he runs that script inside any one of those dirs in the for loop, it will work [03:52] since the 'cd' is relative [03:52] nvision (~nvision@e179140192.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [03:53] as long as he's in one of the subdirectories, otherwise the first "cd ../" will take him up one level too far [03:53] or really, as long as he runs that script in a dir at the same subdir level as .. [03:53] ya that [03:54] sucks - codepad doesn't do shell scripting syntax [03:54] i know, wish it did [03:55] StackOverflow does [03:56] Still going? [03:56] |slackin| (~slackin@124.45.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:57] Should have expected such a result, asking in #slackware >.> [03:57] SiegeX: http://pastebin.ca/1809297 <-- my little 2 scripts for syncing slackware repository and making dvd images [03:57] But that's why I'm a slacker for life [03:57] know your system or fail [03:58] I hate 'automagic' scripts and hate GUI tools even more [03:59] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-156-137.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:00] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-26-128.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:00] the only "automagic" part is calling rsync to make sure the local repo is updated from remote repo, then if there's a change create a new dvd ISO [04:01] that's what scripts are for [04:02] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [04:02] I wasn't making any statement except that I failed in ignorance of the probable outcome that know suitable method would survive the well-informed debates following. [04:02] heh [04:02] alisonken1noc: ya, I see where you hit that problem [04:03] actually, like unix, there's multiple ways of doing things, it's just a matter of finding out which one works for you [04:03] note that you dont need the '$' in $( after the 'touch' command [04:03] SiegeX: at least it works now :) [04:03] There is always multiple ways [04:04] $( ) is used for process substitution so you can assign the output to a var. its more process heavy than just ( ) but it probably wont make any noticible difference [04:04] actually, the reason for the subshell is to make sure the dvd creation doesn't mess with the current script stuff [04:04] no, you still need the subshell but you can get that with just ( foo; bar; baz ) [04:05] if you need to save the *output* of those commands then you do var=$( foo; bar; baz ) [04:05] $() is the preferred replacement for `` since backticks can get confusing and some ms systems have problems keeping backticks properly when transported [04:05] right, `` is deprecated [04:06] but you're not assigning the output of that subshell to anything, hense you can use just ( ) [04:06] possibly - but some habits seem to be safer than others [04:06] it's a very small nitpick for sure [04:06] and that's the recommended method by multiple slackware users, including pat [04:06] This all helps me none [04:07] probably because he wasn't aware that ( ) without the $ is enough to create a subshell =) [04:07] actually, since pat was the one that started cleaning up sls, he probably learned about both [04:08] and, if you're in the practice of using $() all of the time, it won't bite you when you forget the $ and wonder why the script sucks [04:08] bbs switching boxes [04:08] personally I wish they would update the init scripts to use #!/bin/bash [04:09] did you see the reasoning behind /bin/sh rather than /bin/bash? [04:09] is bash or sh faster? [04:09] bash has more features than sh [04:09] alisonken1noc: nope, but id like to take a look [04:09] I'd stick with sh, personally [04:09] PathagenX: allows for cleaner code IMHO. [04:09] the same rc scripts are used in the bootup process, and not all (think busybox initrd) don't have bash builtins [04:09] bash is another GNU pile [04:10] ok poweroff [04:10] PathagenX (~pathagenx@125-238-63-199.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:10] look at the reasoning in creating slackbuild doinst.sh scripts pointing to /bin/sh because not all systems are fully functional and may only have ash (or busybox ash) which will not have extra bash functionality [04:16] Action: SiegeX makes a mental note to bug busybox devs to add bash 3.x =) [04:16] PathagenX (~PathagenX@125-238-63-199.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:17] grazymax (~grazymax@host32-158-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:18] actually i think even 2.x will do, i just hate seeing if [ "x$var" = "x" ] type stuff and not being able to use [[ ]] or (( )) [04:18] SiegeX, slackware init scripts gotta run in the busybox shell from the install media, and also in the initrd. bash is a no-go there. [04:18] Action: slava_dp was pretty late with his comment [04:21] PathagenX (~PathagenX@125-238-63-199.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:23] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:24] SiegeX: as slava_dp noted, it's not just a convenience thing for programmers to consider [04:24] and it's been considered over the years [04:25] I have to imagine other distros have migrated to bash for their init scripts, what are they doing differently? [04:25] have to check them [04:25] but slackware is not and has never been about cutting edge - it's been about stability [04:25] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [04:25] although I keep wondering why ancient shells were so lame, like [ "x$var" = "x" ]. [04:26] agreed (and welcomed) but I think we can both agree that bash is far from said edge. [04:26] goes back to the original systems and design of unix - and [ is actually a binary in /bin [04:26] scripting under old shells is just a plain pita. [04:27] Action: slava_dp knows there is a standalone [ [04:27] true - but bash is still a little heavy to include in busybox and some other minimalistic systems [04:30] can someone recommend a good guide to building firewall with slackware? [04:31] did you look at the iptables tutorials? [04:31] zux1wrk: the official iptables tutorial is pretty good indeed [04:31] hmm, ok, i'll have a look [04:32] i'm now installing a box, going to make it my home router/firewall [04:32] hmm, busybox seems to have support for 'microperl', lua, and forth. you'd think they would have a 'microbash' or some such [04:34] SiegeX: busybox has a minimal bash [04:34] zux1wrk: having a whole computer for that is pretty heavy in terms of power consumption [04:34] evanton, it will have some more tasks to do, but actually i don't have many choices [04:35] zux1wrk: I have a firewall rule generator here: http://slackware.com/~alien/efg/ (not my script bu I modified it to work in Slackware OOTB) [04:35] zux1wrk, do your home firewall on dd-wrt, much more effective :) [04:35] slava_dp, do you think i should put dd-wrt on a pc? [04:35] I ran my home server as a nat/firewal for years but switched to a linksys box in the end [04:36] alienBOB: for power-consumption reasons or for ease of administration? [04:36] the router i have can't give me more that ~20Mbits of speed [04:36] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [04:37] evanton: so that I could switch the server off and my family would still have internet [04:37] Not for power consumtion reasons because the server runs 24/7 still [04:37] I see [04:38] alienBOB, but that kind of device still can't offer me good enough speed, i'v been using a linksys + openwrt for years, but now a i have a much faster internet connection and it's a shame to loose speed because of the router [04:39] get a geode and install openwrt [04:39] but more powerfull router devices are expensive [04:39] alisonken1noc, what's a geode? [04:39] alienBOB: guessing thats not builtin to slackware's version [04:39] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geode_%28processor%29 [04:40] zux1wrk, ^^^ [04:40] testing at my previous job working with wireless routers shows it's pretty good for it's size/wattage [04:40] and openwrt has an x86 port available to it as well [04:41] I think I'm developing a nostalgia for the 4:3 aspect ratio. [04:42] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-113-81.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:43] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-26-128.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:45] byteframe, yeah, i love that ratio too [04:45] slackin_ (~slackin@97.103.45.124) joined ##slackware. [04:46] all my monitors are 4:3 [04:46] hey, so anyone know how to make NVIDIA driver work on kernel 2.6.33 in slackware? [04:46] and the laptop too [04:46] ive been googling, but not finding much usefull [04:46] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-79-179-39-102.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [04:46] found some patch that doesnt work [04:46] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-79-179-39-102.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Changing host [04:46] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) joined ##slackware. [04:46] hello all! [04:47] zux1wrk, I definitely prefer it on my monitor as well. Widescreen movies aren't bad or anything though. [04:47] does anyone have experience with mail servers? [04:48] slackin_: you are so hardcore that you need a bleeding edge kernel version? :-) [04:48] yes i do actually [04:48] cause of ath9k [04:48] slackin_, wait for a beta from nvidia? [04:48] had updates that made a huge difference [04:48] byteframe, sooo, no glx until then? that would be insane [04:49] mailbomb them to open-source the driver under GPL [04:49] elliot98, just ask, if someone knows they'll answer [04:49] evanton, i dont think id be the first [04:49] that would cure the delay once and for all [04:49] and it hasnt worked yet [04:49] alisonken1noc, i think i'm sticking with the compaq pc box for now [04:49] slackin_, is using the 2.6.32 until then insane too? [04:49] byteframe, yes [04:49] cause of ath9k [04:49] number one reason is that i don't have to bye anything [04:49] zux1wrk, as long as it works for you [04:50] I've had to work with worse systems before [04:50] backport ath9k then [04:50] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [04:51] ok, good point guys...I have a web server and mail server on two different parts of the world, both sharing the same domain name, but the DNS server naturally redirects web surfing and email messaging to their proper servers. [04:52] evanton, aye, I don't have time to back port a driver, i have way to many things going on, i really am getting pissed with nvidia [04:52] brb, gonna try something [04:52] slackin_ (~slackin@97.103.45.124) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:53] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:53] now, sometimes I the web server needs to send messages to emal addresses with its own domain name...now the catch is some of the email address are local (ie. stay in webserver) while others need to sent off to the proper mail server [04:54] is it possible to boot from LVM with lilo? [04:54] lilo does have the option for raid boot IIRC [04:54] the system is using postfix [04:55] raid yes, if it's a mirror [04:55] but if i put LVM on that raid [04:55] and don't create a seperate /boot partition, but have it on LVM, will lilo boot? [04:56] elliot98: have you tried #postfix ? [04:56] slackin_ (~slackin@97.103.45.124) joined ##slackware. [04:56] so chea [04:56] that didnt work [04:56] anyone tried neuvoe or whatever its called? [04:57] nuveau ? [04:57] nouveau :-) [04:57] they need a better name :P [04:57] yup, and it's working for me, doesn't mean it'll work for you however [04:57] Camarade_Tux, does it do gl? [04:57] pprkut: he, it's french, it has to be good, it's getting a bit old however ;-) [04:58] bah, let's call it zomg [04:58] slackin_: yes... IF you run mesa git, kernel git (their branch), X git, libdrm git [04:58] aye [04:58] i dont have time for all this!~ [04:58] GRRRRRRRRRRR [04:58] you do not want to try that [04:58] anyway, perf isn't stellar [04:58] slack_fish (~slack_fis@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [04:58] Camarade_Tux, i could do it [04:58] but [04:59] i want my nvidia driver [04:59] slackin_: you don't want to [04:59] yea [04:59] exactly [04:59] i dont [04:59] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau_gallium3d_first&num=1 [04:59] really really dont [04:59] it's calling for troubles and days of compilation on a "regular" machine [05:01] is there a daemon that can watch a process, tune its priority and make sure it completes during a certain time span, but the process would run with minimum possible priority? [05:01] xover (~xover@host86-150-128-26.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [05:02] just don't suggest a real-time kernel [05:05] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [05:06] Pentode (~Sam@unaffiliated/pentode) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:08] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [05:13] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:14] |slackin| (~slackin@97.103.45.124) joined ##slackware. [05:14] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [05:15] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:18] mac- (~mac@sunrise.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:20] wolven_ (~wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [05:21] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.29.106) joined ##slackware. [05:23] evanton: how would you know how long it'll take? I could make a pathological case with a program that sleeps for 12 hours and should complete in 4 hours [05:24] (actually, since you most prolly can't prove it'll terminate...) [05:25] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:25] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) joined ##slackware. [05:28] Camarade_Tux: by collecting statistics [05:28] and interpolating execution times [05:32] my point is there can be no general tool for that, only specific ones [05:32] The-spiki (~spiki@213.240.47.4) joined ##slackware. [05:34] Camarade_Tux: I agree that the problem is a complex one [05:37] The-spiki (~spiki@213.240.47.4) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:42] evanton: an impossible one actually ;-) [05:42] The-spiki (~spiki@213.240.47.4) joined ##slackware. [05:42] ananke (~ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:43] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:43] darkstat seems to work on arch, so this seems to be a slackware-specific problem. or a PEBCAK one [05:45] slackware (32-bit) or slackware64? [05:46] and how did you start it? [05:47] alisonken1noc: slackware 13.0 32-bit [05:47] just darkstat -i eth0 [05:47] _slackin_ (~slackin@rrcs-71-43-120-122.se.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:48] in verbose mode, I'm just getting lots of "tcp: packet too short (28 bytes)" [05:49] |slackin| (~slackin@97.103.45.124) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:51] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423886.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:52] _slackin_ (~slackin@rrcs-71-43-120-122.se.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:53] Where can I find the udev rules for external storage? [05:54] tcpdump captures traffic on eth0, I see no reason why darkstat would fail. it seems to use libpcap as well [05:54] me too [05:54] at least that's what it appears to be compiling against [05:56] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-60-154.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [06:01] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) left irc: Quit: Konversation terminated! [06:02] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [06:04] |slackin| (~slackin@124.45.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:06] people I've forgot how to add a printer [06:07] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.69.13) joined ##slackware. [06:07] as long as you haven't forgotten your grammar, it's ok [06:08] Action: Camarade_Tux hides ;p [06:08] ananke (~ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [06:08] bah.. [06:08] slack_fish (~slack_fis@59.72.110.45) left irc: Quit: ‚» [06:09] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:09] pupit, start CUPS if you haven't ( bash /etc/rc.d/rc.cups start as root ), open some browser and go to http://localhost:631 [06:10] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:10] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [06:10] Axtroz: I've tried it already, its not working for me.. [06:11] How come? Give some details [06:11] odd thing, I've set it up already on the virtual machine on the same host.. [06:11] details? wait sec.. [06:14] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [06:14] Axtroz: solved. I had to add a "class" [06:14] :) [06:14] skiped that step, I tried add printer first.. :) [06:14] I'm almost ready to give up [06:14] could you suggest something similar to darkstat? [06:15] evanton, http://humdi.net/vnstat/ would this do ? [06:16] let's see [06:17] hmm. Im having problem setting up an dhcp server. I get this error: /etc/dhcpd.conf line 19: semicolor expected fixed address 192. [06:17] the line says fixed-address 192.168.0.2; so I dont see the error [06:17] post your dhcp.conf at pastebin.ca [06:17] Kowalczyk: look at the line above [06:18] alisonken1noc: its on a none network switch:D so that its difficult [06:18] ananke: that says hardware ethernet [06:18] ah - didn't specify that part [06:18] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:18] its just for testing :) [06:19] Kowalczyk: don't interpret that. show me. [06:19] what does line 19 show? [06:19] wait then. need to move it with a usb stick then :D [06:19] line 192 shows fixed-address 192.168.0.2; [06:19] there's a slackbuild for vnstat, so I'm going to try it now [06:19] line 19 - not line 192 [06:19] I dont have any line 192 :) [06:20] meant line 19 [06:20] that is the fixed-address [06:20] alisonken1noc: fixed-adress with dhcp? [06:20] well, it says the error is on line 19 [06:20] so what does line 18 show? [06:21] pupit: I use fixed-address all of the time [06:21] gonna paste it now [06:21] pupit: what's unusual about that? [06:21] grazymax (~grazymax@host167-5-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:22] ananke: don't know now [06:22] http://dhcpd.pastebin.com/dVA3c1uL [06:22] Just do it pupit [06:22] that is the dhcpd.conf [06:22] I use it too on my LAN [06:22] aha [06:23] I saw the error [06:23] just a typo from my side:) [06:23] adress instead of address :D [06:23] is there someone who tried to connect windows station with linux via L2TP/IPSEC tunnel ? [06:23] that helps :) [06:23] alienBOB, ananke I mixed the dhcp server on his comp. with his router.. silly me.. [06:23] yeah it does actually :D [06:24] Kowalczyk: that's why we ask for actual data, not interpretation [06:24] hehe :D [06:25] Duh [06:29] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:29] F15ch3r, openvpn ftw [06:29] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [06:31] slava_dp, I simply need that vpn type ! no alternative [06:33] Axtroz: vnstat seems to work. too bad it doesn't have minutely granularity, but generally it's ok [06:33] can i use /dev/disk/by-id for the DEVPATH directive in udev? [06:33] xover: yes [06:34] hmm, its not working [06:35] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [06:35] the reason for darkstat not working still remains unknown [06:35] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:36] xover: rworkman has a really good howto for udev rules [06:39] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [06:39] xover: http://rlworkman.net/howtos/writing_udev_rules.html [06:39] pupit: thanks [06:39] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:39] np [06:40] ha, thats the same one i am using [06:40] its for a usb hdd [06:40] must be a pebkac :p [06:40] so im using DEVPATH="/dev/disk/by-id/ID" but its not playing ball. [06:41] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) joined ##slackware. [06:42] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.27.146) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [06:42] xover: udevtrigger [06:42] helow slackers, [06:42] how you all? [06:42] pupit: what is that? [06:42] manhunter: good. [06:43] xover: "To make the symbolic link show up, you can either disconnect and reconnect your camera, or alternatively in the case of non-removable devices, you can run udevtrigger. " [06:43] im doing that, its just not working, i used the KERNEL match before and it worked [06:43] but with the ID its not [06:46] http://www.basicconfig.com/slackware_linux_dns_server_setup I have followed this guide and it works and I can ping the host but I have to use hostname.domain how can I do so I can just ping by hostname? [06:46] Kowalczyk: how large is the network you're setting this dns/dhcp server for? [06:46] what is the best way to identify a hard disk? [06:47] xover: good, [06:47] Kowalczyk: search directive [06:47] xover: do you use only slackware ? [06:48] Kowalczyk: or set the local domain name with the domain directive in /etc/resolv.conf [06:48] manhunter: no [06:48] ananke: 4 computers. its a test for me.. windows server, slackware dhcp,dns,samba and a slackware samba backup and 2 xp clients. actually 5 computers tyhen [06:48] aha. maybe:D [06:48] xover: what are those other distro ? [06:48] xover: ls /dev/disk/by-uuid [06:48] Kowalczyk: then i wouldn't bother with isc dhcpd and bind. just use dnsmasq for both [06:48] search domain right ? [06:49] Kowalczyk: search 'domainname' [06:49] or not. hmm [06:49] or [06:49] domain 'domainname' [06:49] xover: hello [06:50] because if I ping hostname.domain.lan I get answer. but not just hostname [06:50] manhunter: sorry man, you have confused me [06:50] xover: why? [06:50] manhunter: what are you askig? [06:50] you have to add "search domain.lan" in your resolv.conf file [06:50] xover: other linux distributions you have used so far [06:51] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [06:51] debian, centos, slackware, rhel, [06:51] I did now. I get answer from linux machine by just using the hostname... [06:51] from linuxs to windows [06:51] -s [06:51] xover: you account was registered long ago, 2001 , [06:52] xover: and you are above 40 years of age? [06:52] which account? [06:52] xover: xover [06:52] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) left irc: Quit: leaving barjavel [06:54] xover: probably you are the oldest here [06:54] don't think so :) [06:54] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) joined ##slackware. [06:54] alisonken1noc: why? [06:54] unless he's over 50 he's not the oldest one here [06:54] Action: pupit slack stuff :) [06:55] how's the oldest.. [06:55] alisonken1noc: you can say now "because I'm his father" just for lulz [06:55] heh [06:55] men faar ikke til far windows til linux. hmm [06:55] ehh [06:55] from windows to linux it doesnt work [06:55] Kowalczyk: its the resolver that determines the domain search order [06:56] WildWizard (~WildWizar@ppp118-208-52-91.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [06:56] I have search domain.lan in resolv.conf [06:56] you need to set your search path in windows dns resolver settings. [06:56] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-78-218.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [06:57] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) left irc: Quit: Support Freenode - http://bit.ly/3NtvfD [06:57] Kowalczyk: in windows you need to set your resolver options [06:57] shouldnt the dhcp take care of that? so I dont have to do anything in windows? hmm.. I can ping hostname from slackware then it automatically adds domain after hostname [06:57] only if the dhcp server sends the info to the client [06:57] Kowalczyk: if you set the DNS settings in the DHCP options, yeah [06:58] ok. hmm [06:58] xover: are you Patrick Volkerding's friend? [06:58] and I gues option domain-name-servers arent enought? >D [06:59] nope [06:59] aha [06:59] :) [06:59] option domain-name ?:) [06:59] try that one [06:59] Patrick is not old yet [06:59] yes I will :D [06:59] domain-name-servers just tell the client who to queryyyy [07:00] ok :) [07:02] xover: hello [07:03] manhunter: chill man [07:03] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [07:03] xover: are you slackware developer/maintainr? [07:03] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) left irc: Quit: Support freenode - http://bit.ly/3NtvfD [07:04] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:04] xover: is he trying to troll you? [07:04] woheee [07:05] it works :) [07:05] evanton: yeah [07:05] evanton: i am trying to hunt him? [07:05] thanks guys :) [07:06] guax (~guax@189.4.99.110) joined ##slackware. [07:06] guax (~guax@189.4.99.110) left irc: Changing host [07:06] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [07:07] i am patrick volkerding [07:07] manhunter: would you please stop it? [07:07] do not believe it [07:07] allend (~allend@CPE-124-176-184-79.lns3.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:07] now i have stopped [07:08] manhunter: you are free to go to ubuntu channel and claim that you are shuttleworth [07:08] i will not hunt any more [07:08] Just in time, or I would have kicked you from this channel manhunter [07:08] but don't touch Patrick :) [07:09] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [07:09] i am in ubuntu vm and i want to save a font named Monospace so I can use it in Slackware. [07:09] Patero-ng (~coco@174-23-41-98.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [07:09] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [07:09] Patero-ng kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Patero-ng, the net just got a bit wider. *.slkc.qwest.net is next, and then *.qwest.net. Then everyone on the whole ISP will think you're an asshat; it won't be just us any more :) [07:10] How can i do that? [07:10] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) got netsplit. [07:10] alice (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) got netsplit. [07:10] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) got netsplit. [07:10] sid77 (~sid77@moko.slackware.it) got netsplit. [07:10] lannders (~lannders@193-25.26-24.tampabay.res.rr.com) got netsplit. [07:11] Alan_Hicks (~alan@cardinal.lizella.net) got netsplit. [07:11] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) got netsplit. [07:11] stunix (1000@85.19.141.194) got netsplit. [07:11] CodeBlock (~CodeBlock@about/windows/regular/CodeBlock) got netsplit. [07:11] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) got netsplit. [07:11] kethry (~kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) got netsplit. [07:11] Matt (~matt@spoon.pkl.net) got netsplit. [07:11] alienBlurb (3351@connie.slackware.com) got netsplit. [07:11] amazon10x (captain@liberstation.com) got netsplit. [07:11] rworkman (3356@about/slackware/rworkman) got netsplit. [07:11] acidchild (ash@septic.ziwall.net) got netsplit. [07:11] sevv (sev@216.164.6.24) got netsplit. [07:11] MoZes (~mozes@bourbon.biscuit.org.uk) got netsplit. [07:11] Azeotrope: as far as I know "monospace" is not a font. It is a type of font [07:11] Azeotrope: I used to think that monospage is a generic name, but I might be wrong [07:11] *monospace [07:11] alienBOB: hello, are you operator for this channel? [07:11] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:11] i have this problem in slack: when i open my txt files every char has an extra space: H E L L O. [07:12] Matt (~matt@spoon.pkl.net) returned to ##slackware. [07:12] hi slackers,does anyone know how to run tv on slackware 13? [07:12] 32bit [07:12] also, none of the special chars are correctly shown [07:12] Azeotrope: perhaps it's because that's utf [07:12] kethry (~kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) returned to ##slackware. [07:12] has anyone been successfull so far [07:12] ? [07:12] manhunter, yes, and google also know [07:12] evanton: what should i do? [07:12] and slackware still uses non=utf locale [07:12] other_rafa (rafa@shellium/member/rafa) joined ##slackware. [07:12] Azeotrope: you could convert to ascii, but you might lose data [07:12] manhunter: after I kicked you, you will have your answer... [07:12] converting from ascii to utf is safe [07:13] john_dee (~id@95-29-183-162.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [07:13] Azeotrope: you could use iconv I think [07:13] manhunter (~manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:14] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [07:14] sid77 (~sid77@moko.slackware.it) returned to ##slackware. [07:14] alienBlurb (3351@connie.slackware.com) returned to ##slackware. [07:14] CodeBlock (~CodeBlock@about/windows/regular/CodeBlock) returned to ##slackware. [07:15] Alan_Hicks (~alan@cardinal.lizella.net) returned to ##slackware. [07:15] sevv (sev@216.164.6.24) returned to ##slackware. [07:15] amazon10x (captain@liberstation.com) returned to ##slackware. [07:15] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware. [07:15] evanton: and convertit to what? [07:15] stunix (1000@85.19.141.194) returned to ##slackware. [07:15] rworkman (3356@connie.slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [07:15] lannders (~lannders@193-25.26-24.tampabay.res.rr.com) returned to ##slackware. [07:15] acidchild (ash@septic.ziwall.net) returned to ##slackware. [07:15] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) returned to ##slackware. [07:16] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) got lost in the net-split. [07:16] alice (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) got lost in the net-split. [07:16] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) got lost in the net-split. [07:16] Azeotrope: what is your locale? [07:16] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:17] MoZes (~mozes@bourbon.biscuit.org.uk) got lost in the net-split. [07:17] evanton: in ubuntu the file is reported as utf8 [07:17] PatrickVolkerdi (~PatrickVo@113.11.36.210) joined ##slackware. [07:17] ubuntu uses utf locales by default [07:18] evanton: i don't know my locale, i guess it's slack default [07:18] alice (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:18] slackware [07:18] Azeotrope: just type 'locale' in your console [07:18] evanton: en_US [07:19] Azeotrope: you could try to convert your file to ascii then [07:19] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [07:19] hello PatrickVolkerdi [07:19] Azeotrope: you could try adding 2 signature bytes (0XFF 0xFE) to the start of your file, a good editor may open it correctly. [07:19] fuck alienBOB [07:19] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [07:19] Channel flood from PatrickVolkerdi -- kicking [07:19] fuck alienBOB [07:19] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [07:19] PatrickVolkerdi kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [07:20] Azeotrope: dare I say it ?! works with Wordpad [07:20] something tells me that wasn't THE pat :) [07:20] allend: how? i noticed 2 strange chars that slackware's kate shows. in ubuntu those chare won't appear [07:20] The-Croupier (~ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [07:20] alisonken1noc: What gave it away? [07:20] might be that manhunter dude [07:20] Greetings [07:20] Refused 0@dialup-4.238.255.58.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net (invalid handle: GET / HTT) [07:21] first, patv doesn't use his full name like that, second, his IP was from oregon, and third, I don't believe pat would flood like that :) [07:21] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [07:21] evanton: Na manhunter had an hidden IP. [07:21] Azeotrope: just echo the required bytes to a file, then cat your file onto the end. [07:21] PatrickVolkerdi (~PatrickVo@113.11.36.210) joined ##slackware. [07:21] lf4: that doesn't prove anything [07:22] Azeotrope: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_order_mark [07:22] acidchild: do you use slackware? [07:22] Yeah I know evanton just saying it might not be. [07:22] and pat would know what acidchild uses I believe [07:23] To bad there is no !bomb in this channel ;) [07:23] evanton: allend kinda hard [07:23] lf4 :) [07:23] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@113.11.36.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [07:23] PatrickVolkerdi kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Get lost fscking troll [07:23] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [07:23] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:24] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:24] Azeotrope: or use a hex editor, and put them at at the start. [07:24] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [07:24] lf4: do you miss the ability to punch bad guys in the jaw remotely over the internet? :-) [07:24] evanton: YES!!! [07:24] Action: lf4 is batman! Shhhhh.... [07:25] alisonken1noc: yes. Mr. V. has a different nick [07:25] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:25] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:25] yes and pat wouldn't use an ip that originated from bangladesh [07:26] MoZes (~mozes@bourbon.biscuit.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:26] :) [07:26] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [07:26] bangladesh is a nice country :) [07:26] at least they don't have snow afaik [07:26] but snow can be nice [07:26] yeah but their cities are made of slums [07:28] evanton: i can't get with it [07:29] i added ÿ to my file, the utf8 boms [07:29] MoZes (~mozes@bourbon.biscuit.org.uk) left irc: Client Quit [07:30] MoZes (3355@connie.slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [07:30] Azeotrope: tried to convert to ascii? you have many options [07:31] guys, what time do you usually see rworkman or alienBOB around lately? [07:31] evanton: how do i convert to ascii? will i loose diacritics? [07:31] The-Croupier: rworkman - in about 2-3 hours from now. alienbob - now. [07:31] usually when I get home and ready for bed is when I see them [07:31] The-Croupier: alienBOB was just here a 20 mins ago. [07:32] Azeotrope: yes, you probably will [07:32] although alienBOB was around about half hour ago [07:32] damn it's os hard to use slack [07:32] Azeotrope: you might also try to run a text editor with utf locale [07:32] hmmm - must be me or something. I haven't had issues with slack since before version 7 [07:33] alisonken1noc: how do you edit utf-8 content? [07:33] usually pretty easy [07:33] in which editor? [07:33] I think Azeotrope is just trying to do that now [07:33] you could suggest your way [07:33] hehe [07:34] patrick was here [07:34] wrong patrick [07:34] and he was banned... XD [07:34] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:35] alisonken1noc: I know, but it's funny though :) [07:35] meanwhile, is there any way i can edit my files in this slackware? [07:36] thanks guys ;) [07:36] ping alienBOB [07:36] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:36] if you use kate, one of the options is configure -> editor component -> open/save -> encoding = unicode (utf-8) [07:36] doesn't vim also support utf-8 since version 6 or so? [07:36] should [07:37] as long as multi-byte encodings were enabled during vi build [07:38] alisonken1noc: thank you! [07:38] works in kate [07:40] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-134-134.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:40] The-Croupier: ? 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[07:50] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-107-13.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:50] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-134-134.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:50] Action: slackie hi there \o [07:51] pupit: looks like it defaults to all [07:51] xover: I have no practical knowledge in that particular thing [07:51] pupit: its sorted [07:52] loving this/ [07:52] its realy like messing with fstab/mtab but with rules.. [07:54] Action: hitest waves back to slackie o/ [07:55] :-) [07:55] suid0 (1000@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [07:56] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [07:57] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:57] i still cant open the most important file [07:58] for the rest of them it works with alisonken1noc method [07:58] what's the most important file? [07:58] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) joined ##slackware. [07:59] jiraia (~nnet@187.4.64.183) joined ##slackware. [08:00] a very big contacts list [08:00] and i think i corrupted another file and now i ended up having it with spaces [08:00] Action: GooseYArd gobbles [08:02] ubuntu won't open it and slack shows it with spaces [08:02] between all chars [08:02] hmm - wonder if tr will help there [08:03] tr? [08:04] if you open the file in vi, what character shows up in the spaces between characters? [08:05] bpe? [08:06] also, the compression test: gzip -9 it, if the files takes 1% of the original one, it is most likely empty [08:06] multi-byte encoding issue [08:06] alisonken1noc: in vi i get spaces also [08:08] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [08:11] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-hwhhvskgakrebnmr) joined ##slackware. [08:11] alienBOB: what do i do? [08:12] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-231-253.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [08:12] cat file | tr -d '[space]' [08:13] and see what the output looks like - replace 'file' with the name of the file [08:13] eew [08:14] Azeotrope, what's wrong? [08:15] I'd send that to a file so it doesn't mess up my terminal [08:15] multibyte character encoding issues it looks like [08:15] alisonken1noc: no spaces at all, need intensive reformatting [08:16] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [08:16] just checking to see if it was an actual space character [08:16] guys, remember the dude "Patero-ng" who finally threw a hissy fit, saying "guess I'll go use bsd" ? he's been muted in ##openbsd, and is now in ##freebsd asking for help with it.. they're just laughing at him. :P [08:17] Action: Camarade_Tux wonders why :P [08:17] who cares [08:17] try 'cat file | sed -e 's/[space][alpha]/[alpha]/g' and see wht happens [08:17] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:17] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.197.163) joined ##slackware. [08:18] spectre- (~kyle@mail.img.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [08:19] btw, anyone used ksplice? (the tool to apply a kernel patch without restarting your computer) [08:19] alisonken1noc: i replaced [space] with an actual space, but [alpha]? [08:19] if i execute the command as is, i get the same spaced output [08:19] well, you could use [0-9a-zA-Z] :) [08:20] actually, i do remember that name, as i recall the -ng... he seemed like a script kiddy wanting others to think and even google for him [08:20] and was not very polite about it iirc [08:20] Action: Delahunt is with evanton: "who cares" [08:21] phrag: greetings ;) [08:21] The-Croupier: hiya [08:21] what you up to bro? [08:22] Delahunt: actually I was trying to help that guy on ##linux, he claimed he wants to install open office [08:22] not to mention he trolled for some time in ##linux [08:22] but it seems I've got trolled [08:22] hows it going..long time no see ;) [08:22] alisonken1noc: i still have spaces [08:22] ananke: right, that's the guy who got adviced to go to linuxpackages [08:22] suid0 (1000@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:22] evanton, lol [08:22] it seems that the same trolls make rounds through multiple channels. lik eour lovely pufferfish obsd troll [08:23] |slackin| (~slackin@124.45.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [08:23] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:24] |slackin| (~slackin@124.45.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:24] Azeotrope, well, my tr/sed fu is a little weak on that [08:24] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:24] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [08:24] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:25] The-Croupier: my head hurts, but good thanks =) you? [08:25] alisonken1noc: ok, thanks [08:26] cat file | tr '[:blank:][:alnum:]' '[:alnum:]' [08:26] i got terrible headache since 9oclock this morning... been working like crazy since.... and getting worse by the hour...;) leaving at 5 though ;) [08:26] if not, try cat file | sed -e '/s[:blank:][:alnum:]/[:alnum:]/g' [08:26] if not, try cat file | sed -e 's/[:blank:][:alnum:]/[:alnum:]/g' [08:27] second line [08:27] not the first [08:27] hi, I have a little issue with 'framebuffer console' ... kindly have a look: http://www.pastie.org/842173 maybe I'll get it fixed [08:27] _slackin_ (~slackin@124.45.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:27] |slackin| (~slackin@124.45.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:28] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:28] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [08:28] Nick change: spectre- -> spectre [08:30] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:31] yummy, kernel-mode-setting + radeon HD4650 + git versions of mesa, libdrm, dri2proto, glproto and xf86-video-ati . whee, I'm set [08:31] zux (~zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [08:32] Axius (~fd@92.82.88.70) joined ##slackware. [08:32] The-Croupier: there's a very effective trick against headaches [08:33] evanton: there's more than one. depends on the type of headache. [08:33] evanton: i am not banging anything anywhere :p [08:33] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:33] The-Croupier: google for 'Kapalabhati' [08:35] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:35] The-Croupier: if it's a stress headache, using your thumbs, rub firmly on your temples, while your eyes are gently closed.. this doesnt work for sinus headaches.. in that case, hot water on a washcloth, cover the mouth and nose, and breath deeply for a few minutes :) [08:41] fantastic thanks guys ;) [08:46] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423886.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:51] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [08:52] i took drugs to cure my headache =/ [08:53] should probably s/coffee/water but i've just made a fresh coffee =P [08:53] drugs weaken your immune system [08:53] they basically work like poison [08:54] i hate drugs [08:55] for pain [08:55] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [08:55] Action: BP{k} loves certain 'drugs' especially those found in coffee and beer. ;) [08:56] Action: hitest nods [08:57] Action: alisonken1noc wife has an iv drip of caffeine for emergencies for me [08:57] evanton: meh, so much in life is poisen, i could worry about all the bad stuff, or just exercise relative risk assessment as i go about my daily life =P [08:58] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [08:59] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Disconnected by services [08:59] jg71_ (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [09:03] drugs are also a business [09:04] they are proprietary! :) [09:04] yes. but they serve a purpose when used appropriately [09:06] hitest: like what? get you high, give you an idea that the pain is gone, (till the drug wears off), illusions, and less money in your wallet...:( [09:09] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:10] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net expired. [09:10] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [09:11] evanton: not all.. i could name a couple of strains that are free and opensource =P [09:16] anavel (~Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Quit: Real_Life(); [09:16] when i fail two disks in raid-5 array is says its degraded, but not lost. [09:16] using mdadm [09:16] The-Croupier: I mean when used appropriately. For example, I certainly would not like to have undergone my oral surgery on Tuesday *without* drugs. I'm not talking about illicit drugs. that is another topic all together. some drugs are needed. [09:16] i thought raid5 could sustain only a single drive failure [09:17] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-188-213.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:18] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [09:20] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:20] anavel (~Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [09:21] hitest: they do not count... they are given by the doctor, in his premises.... ;) not outside ;) [09:22] that was never specified in the original statement about proprietary drugs;-) [09:22] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [09:22] Action: hitest does not want to get into a flame war about drugs:) [09:23] Action: The-Croupier agrees ;) [09:23] :) [09:23] doctors get nice bribes for advicing drugs [09:23] agreed [09:24] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@113.11.36.* expired. [09:24] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@113.11.36.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [09:24] pharmacy companies rake in billions by lobbying Doctors [09:24] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Quit: ^D [09:24] cmeow (cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [09:24] they get envelopes in greece ;) they can prescribe anything you like ;) just ask with an envelope (containing money), and you get it in seconds [09:25] the recent AH1N1 fuss it's the same story [09:25] and lawn services rake in billions of leaves [09:25] LOL [09:25] lol [09:25] mag0o: good one! [09:26] Action: hitest will be back later......breakfast [09:27] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. 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[09:36] date | festival [09:37] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:38] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:41] RMS trolled successfuly the openbsd team :) [09:41] but that's an old story [09:42] date | flite #That was easy.... [09:42] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [09:45] How can I get firefox to quit tying up /dev/dsp? [09:45] quit firefox? [09:46] pprkut: I know, that works. pkill firefox [09:46] but something's wrong with firefox. [09:46] date |flite returns oss_audio: failed to open audio device /dev/dsp [09:46] s/firefox/flash ? [09:46] until I pkill firefox [09:46] flash =) [09:47] thrice`: What do you mean s/firefox/flash ? [09:48] I mean, don't blame firefox for flash locking up your oss layer :> [09:48] thrice`: Oh, yes. I see. [09:48] point taken.... [09:49] does anyone knows where i can find that graphic with linux distros over time? [09:49] and derivates from mains [09:49] google =) [09:51] The-Croupier (ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [09:51] Only just now realizing stdout can be piped to flite i.e. file.txt |flite [09:51] fortune |flite etc... [09:53] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:56] cat file.txt | flite [09:56] or [09:56] flite < file.txt [09:56] Patero-ng (~coco@174-23-41-98.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [09:56] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [09:56] Patero-ng kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Patero-ng, the net just got a bit wider. *.slkc.qwest.net is next, and then *.qwest.net. Then everyone on the whole ISP will think you're an asshat; it won't be just us any more :) [09:58] oh my [09:59] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.197.163) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:00] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:03] the bot rules:) [10:08] oh, nice message ^^ [10:08] looks like he's almost the only one on slkc.qwest.net [10:10] is there a replacement for text2wav (from flite ... ?) [10:10] heh [10:10] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [10:11] Camarade_Tux: hi [10:11] flamel doesn't like me. :/ [10:11] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) joined ##slackware. [10:11] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-232-79.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:12] NaCl: why? [10:12] and hi :P [10:12] How i can get iso from CD in terminal [10:12] I changed the GtkThread.main() to GMain.Main.main(), passed it a number on the command line and it blew up. :/ [10:12] Blue_Slacker86: cp /dev/cdrom file.iso is usually enough [10:13] evanton: tnx [10:13] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [10:13] NaCl: oh, right, GtkThread, gotta fix that [10:14] by "blew up", I mean "segfault" [10:14] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.116.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:14] Blue_Slacker86: perhaps you could use dd as well [10:14] NaCl: could you pastebin the META file for lablgtk? [10:15] Camarade_Tux: http://dpaste.com/164739/ [10:15] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.27.222) joined ##slackware. [10:16] evanton: it,s not work [10:16] NaCl: ok, that META file is not good, it lacks some lines [10:17] Should the lablgtk.SlackBUild install them? [10:17] Blue_Slacker86: I'm pretty sure I've used to make images that way. Unless your device is not called /dev/cdrom [10:18] well, they're only useful with findlib/ocamlfind and neither unison, nor mldonkey (there might be more ocaml apps on sbo but I don't know) take advantage of findlib [10:18] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [10:18] Blue_Slacker86 (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker86/x-7524579) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:19] NaCl: use http://pers.yaxm.org/temp/lablgtk2.META instead of the META file you currently have (and change version to "2.12.0") [10:19] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-231-253.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [10:20] nvision (~nvision@e179140192.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:20] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [10:21] Camarade_Tux: anythnig after that? [10:21] whoops [10:22] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:22] NaCl: only need to use it to overwrite the other META file, that should be enough [10:22] Error: Unbound type constructor GTree.list_store [10:22] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [10:23] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [10:24] NaCl: ok, try to add directory="+lablgtk2" at the end of the META file [10:24] Oh, yeah. [10:24] I hadn't seen this difference (my META file is from a package manager for ocaml libraries and it puts some files differently), and also, remove the first line 'requires(lablGL)=...' [10:25] even though the lablgl part prolly won't change anything [10:25] It works! [10:25] \o/ [10:25] really gotta flog upstream until they change the META [10:26] as you see, the interface is meant to be simple ;-) [10:26] what goes in the box? :P [10:26] check your cpu usage ;-) [10:26] minimal [10:27] anything written in the terminal? or have you started "./flamel 0" ? also, you can use the box at the bottom of the ui to increase the number of flames [10:28] flamel 4 [10:28] (to be more precise, it's the number of low-q frames which are to be rendered) [10:28] hmmm, definitely not expected [10:28] Thread 1 killed on uncaught exception Unix.Unix_error(20, "mkdir", "e/1267111694") [10:29] Switched back to GtkThread [10:29] ah, right, forgot to tell you that, 'mkdir e' [10:29] and restart flamel [10:29] there we are [10:29] he, at last ;-) [10:30] yeah, the small image rendering should be a wee-bit faster IMO [10:30] NaCl: the image is actually 640x400 and the quality is 40 while flam3's default is 1 ;-) [10:31] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:31] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.203) joined ##slackware. [10:31] So how do I make it... go? ;P [10:31] the annoying part is that if you make the genome at some quality level, you can't go higher afterwards but I found which parameters to change so that the rendering is 4 times faster (actually more like 10 times) [10:31] the "go" button ;-) [10:32] Does it just do the selected one? [10:32] I was pretty uninspired ;-) [10:32] does all: for those you don't want, select and press "del" [10:32] Ok. [10:32] I'm going to work more on the ui (should change quite a lot of things) when I've released a preview version of my package manager (meant for windows) [10:33] Seems that the time remaining is a little inaccurate. :P [10:33] but right now, I have to run a code marathon :-) [10:33] NaCl: that's the output of flam3-render, usually it's way off for the first few percents but gets quite accurate after that [10:34] yeah. [10:34] According to it, I'm gonig to have to drop it. [10:34] how long? ;-) [10:34] 1 hour? [10:34] 20.2 minutes [10:34] 90% left [10:34] oh, that's a fast one =) [10:35] but you can actually check the files in the "e" folder: the names are the unix time at which the files have been created (so they are in the same order they have been created) [10:35] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:36] I was wondering about that [10:36] I'll add the ability to chose the quality, a command to run after the flame(s) is(are) rendered (scp?) and I'll make double-click open the image at full-size [10:37] the id is unique as long as genome creation + initial rendering take 2 seconds or more ;-) [10:37] cool. Keep me posted. [10:37] Action: NaCl gtg [10:37] ok, see you later =) [10:39] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [10:48] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:48] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [10:49] allend (~allend@CPE-124-176-184-79.lns3.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:50] fark (~a9ea6bfa@gateway/web/freenode/x-ejmbnbwxniszouho) joined ##slackware. [10:50] I'm having a slight problem with X.org not loading, log: http://tinyurl.com/yko5ekp any ideas? [10:50] nvision (~nvision@e179140192.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:51] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.28.110) joined ##slackware. [10:52] fark (a9ea6bfa@gateway/web/freenode/x-ejmbnbwxniszouho) left ##slackware. [10:53] fark is a spammer [10:53] do not click the link [10:53] had I been in X, I would have check, it's quite ingenious [10:53] checked* [10:54] a tinyurl to a porn site is ingenius? [10:54] how? [10:54] interesting - the first 2 top photos are nice, but the rest are locked until you forward to 2 friends :) [10:54] Dominian: no, saying it's X not loading and giving a link to what should be a log file [10:55] ahh [10:55] sorry - the next 2 are unlocked if you forward to 5 friends, the next 2 are unlocked if you forward to 15 friends and so on for about 10 photos [10:55] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:55] I have to say I didn't read the "tinyurl" part and assumed a pastebin, eyes are failing :-) [10:56] I saw the tinyurl, but after goats.ex (among others I've been redirected to), not much is shocking to me [10:56] but then again, I'm a retired sailor :) [10:57] well - forward to 70 friends and you get to see the videos [10:57] and this is the kicker at the bottom: [10:58] If you dont want the hassle and just want to see everything right now then you can pay £1.50 by SMS or £3 by phone call and everything will be revealed instantly :) Its a one off payment and its done through a secure well known gateway. This way I get a tiny bit of the money back that i spent on her and you get to see her in her full glory :op Click the button below. [10:58] Action: Camarade_Tux clicks [10:58] he must really have something against her or he's her pimp [10:58] argh, where's the button, oh, I'm in console ='( [10:58] or it's all fake, including the relationship =) [10:58] or that too :) [10:58] yeah theres not enough porn on the internet. you not only have to turn yourself to watch some but ffs pay? for a wank? [10:59] into a spambot* [10:59] well, very slim chance of becoming a spam bot if you're not running MS [11:00] I'm tempted to open a small honeypot [11:00] i meant what fart did. or whatever his name was. forward links to "unlock" a site [11:00] we used to run one at the navy research facility I was last stationed at [11:00] if i am not mistaking [11:01] just woke up after a mid day siesta. head is still fuzzy [11:01] open the site with google translate [11:01] you'll be surprised :> [11:01] <_slackin_> man [11:01] <_slackin_> so anyone here know how to get NVIDIA driver working with 2.6.33? [11:02] <_slackin_> ive googled n googled my ass off [11:02] _slackin_, what's wrong with it? (the nvidia driver) [11:02] <_slackin_> and cant figure it out [11:02] <_slackin_> it wont compile with kernel 2.6.33 [11:02] the nvidia log? [11:02] what does it say [11:02] ? [11:02] <_slackin_> welll [11:02] <_slackin_> to be exact [11:02] but 2.6.33 has nouveau! you dont need the blob :p [11:03] <_slackin_> sadsfae, lol [11:03] <_slackin_> sahk0, lol [11:04] <_slackin_> Axtroz, sme error as here: [11:04] <_slackin_> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/problem-compiling-nvidia-on-2.6.33-791436/ [11:04] if the blob doesnt work with 2.6.33 wait for a new release. or use a beta driver [11:04] _slackin_: it won't compile, not surprising, will require you to edit its source code [11:04] <_slackin_> none, at all of nvidia's drivers will compile [11:04] <_slackin_> Camarade_Tux, i tried some patches out there i found [11:04] it's everything but surprising [11:04] <_slackin_> none them worked [11:04] not surprising either [11:05] <_slackin_> im not surprised [11:05] <_slackin_> im upset [11:05] nvidia is always the first blob to support new kernel versions [11:05] <_slackin_> i wanna cry, my wifi is working right now but my nvidia isnt working at all :*( [11:05] 2.6.33 has been available for a few hours, do you realize how many people bother patching the nvidia driver? do you know how many people can do that properly? [11:05] <_slackin_> Camarade_Tux, few hours? [11:05] i think he meant the kernel [11:05] sahk0: not really the same day of the release [11:05] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:05] not the patching blob [11:06] not patching the blob [11:06] that's one of the reasons I switched to nouveau [11:06] <_slackin_> Camarade_Tux, but but but [11:06] <_slackin_> lol [11:06] <_slackin_> thats soo much work [11:06] <_slackin_> and [11:06] after patching the nvidia driver several times a year... [11:06] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:06] <_slackin_> im not even sure it will work as well as i want it to [11:06] <_slackin_> Camarade_Tux, normally i never have problems with nvidia driver [11:06] _slackin_, there's a post into that thread that patching the drivers does it [11:07] or patching it with a *TRIVIAL* change and then waiting a month before nvidia catches up [11:07] BojanN (~bojan@tk91-30-wi.ninet.rs) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:07] and recompiling it at each kernel recompile [11:07] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/problem-compiling-nvidia-on-2.6.33-791436/#post3876115 [11:07] check it out [11:07] <_slackin_> Axtroz, it doesnt work [11:07] _slackin_: you now behave like a pregnant woman. "i want", "i'm not sure..." :) [11:07] well d/no [11:08] i guess you'll just have to go with that nouveau or whatever until nvidia release proper drivers... [11:08] or nv [11:08] Action: Camarade_Tux laughs [11:08] _slackin_: doesnt your wifi work with 2.6.32? [11:08] <_slackin_> sahk0, not very well [11:08] <_slackin_> at all [11:09] <_slackin_> horrible signal strength, slow rates, and packets are dropping like cops in '93 LA riots [11:09] <_slackin_> but in 2.6.33 its fucking GREAT [11:09] <_slackin_> like perfect [11:09] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:10] _slackin_: which graphic card? [11:10] <_slackin_> 6800 gt [11:10] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [11:10] if you upgrade your libdrm, nouveau should be ok [11:10] not great but good enough [11:10] <_slackin_> tried quake3 or urban terror with it yet? [11:11] it should work, and work quite well but you'll notice it's not completely ready yet but definitely usable [11:11] <_slackin_> and ill have to reinstall slack13 mesa too huh? cause the nvidia driver over writes glx/mesa shit right? [11:11] _slackin_: forgot to say 3D also requires gallium3D [11:11] _slackin_: yup, quite easy however [11:11] <_slackin_> yea [11:11] <_slackin_> isntallpkg blah.txz [11:11] <_slackin_> ;p [11:12] <_slackin_> ive been in slack for 11-12 years now, so its not like im really a n00b, just kinda lazy [11:12] <_slackin_> lol [11:12] notKlaat1 (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [11:12] there's also slackpkg if it's in the official repo and sbopkg if it's on slackbuilds [11:13] <_slackin_> alisonken1home, thanks for the info, but since its bleeding edge kernel, im gonna urt bleeding edge git repo too for those packages [11:13] <_slackin_> to make sure everything is compiled right and fresh [11:13] there is that :) [11:14] jiraia (~nnet@187.4.64.183) left irc: Quit: Fui embora [11:14] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:14] <_slackin_> alisonken1home, i normally check slackbuilds for stuff first, then branch out from there if i dont find it [11:15] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:15] <_slackin_> but for some things its better to do it by hand [11:15] for nouveau, you only need to recompile libdrm [11:15] <_slackin_> i even have a large repo of slack builds i made on a fast public mirror [11:15] for a good nouveau experience, you need xorg-server 1.8 [11:15] <_slackin_> Camarade_Tux, what about gallium3D? [11:15] <_slackin_> and see [11:15] no idea [11:15] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Disconnected by services [11:15] <_slackin_> right [11:16] <_slackin_> im gonna compile fresh [11:16] notKlaat1 (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Changing host [11:16] notKlaat1 (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [11:16] <_slackin_> make sure its all working as well as possible [11:16] the only thing I want it POWER MANAGEMENT! [11:16] <_slackin_> ill be pissed if my urt sucks [11:16] Nick change: notKlaat1 -> notKlaatu [11:16] s/it/is/ [11:16] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-60-154.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:16] Action: _slackin_ thinks he should hold Camarade_Tux personally responisble if nueveo doesnt work right ;p [11:16] <_slackin_> jk [11:17] Yes? [11:17] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [11:17] id termporarily use vesa [11:17] hassle free and better than nv [11:17] <_slackin_> sahk0, nah, nv is better than that [11:17] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-140-98-216.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:17] it rhymes [11:17] <_slackin_> how do you figure? [11:17] nouveau is definitely usable [11:18] and much better than nv [11:18] _slackin_: you'll want to run a compisiting manager however [11:18] <_slackin_> im gonna start spamming nvidia to fix it from my blackberry [11:18] luckily, there's xcompmgr =) [11:19] I run 'xcompmgr -s -a' when X starts [11:19] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [11:20] Axius (~fd@92.82.88.70) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:28] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@113.11.36.* expired. 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[11:41] woohoo :D [11:41] is there no program to split a terminal vertically? nor screen nor splitvt can [11:42] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:42] Camarade_Tux: hmm, i believe you can with tmux, and if you use the window manager ion, you get a similar effect :) [11:43] Camarade_Tux: take a look at this, see if it's what you are looking for: [11:44] http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-applications-to-change-the-way-you-work-with-linux-terminal/ [11:44] Action: coolkehon is back (gone 00:18:00) [11:44] hello [11:44] Action: coolkehon is back ;) [11:44] hmm [11:44] i thought that was turned off sorry [11:45] Camarade_Tux: konsole :) [11:45] lol [11:45] ananke: what? [11:45] ha! [11:45] "terminator" may be what you want, Camarade_Tux [11:45] tmux; it's simple [11:45] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:45] if I were in X, I wouldn't need that: I can tile up to nine 80x24 terminals on my screen ;-) [11:45] Camarade_Tux: exactly, use tmux, last time i say this [11:45] chess (~chess@unaffiliated/chess) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:45] Alan_Hicks (~alan@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:46] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-209-154.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:46] so tmux looks like it's that could do it [11:46] PiterPunk (~piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:46] Action: nix_chix0r runs through [11:46] I saw a window manager for console too, worked quite well :P [11:46] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:46] vbatts (~vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:46] lizella ='( [11:47] and to those who suggest konsole.... go back to that exotic windows operating system you're apparently all to comfy with [11:47] awww, are you going to cry now? [11:47] bah, messed up term =/ [11:47] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:47] Action: dirty sheds a couple for ananke [11:47] dirty: cry me a river [11:47] :) [11:48] ananke: learn some new lines [11:48] dirty: you don't deserve new ones [11:48] oh stop that [11:48] both [11:48] nothing like some elitist kiddie winding himself up over tmux [11:49] ananke: kiddie? please [11:49] well, scriptoldie would sound ridiculous [11:49] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:50] Nick change: coolkehon -> stfu_Moose [11:50] Nick change: stfu_Moose -> coolkehon [11:50] ananke: i'm aware your konsole line was a joke [being hopeful anyway:)], but then you take it to derogative name calling :) [11:52] zecafig (zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left ##slackware. [11:52] dirty: you decided to step up the game with '11:47 dirty> and to those who suggest konsole.... go back to that exotic windows operating system you're apparently all to comfy with [11:52] so don't be surprised if you get called out on being a kiddie [11:52] you can't see the joke there? who's crying? [11:52] kiddie sense of humor [11:52] in your perception [11:53] relax, i'll take back my lines if it makes you feel better [11:53] :) [11:53] hate to break it to you, your input has no impact on my mood [11:54] clearly does, otherwise this wouldn't be a conversational piece, be back in a while [11:54] 'clearly'? i find it interesting you can deduce my mood from this [11:55] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [11:56] The-spiki (~spiki@213.240.47.4) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:57] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net expired. [11:57] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [11:58] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:58] xover (~xover@host86-150-128-26.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:00] man i need an easy solution to having a mobile eee with documents i need to alter periodically and a non-mobile laptop with more power on which i do the primary work (but not when going someplace) [12:00] rsync, git? [12:00] unison [12:00] or even dropbox [12:00] unison sounds better than rsync here [12:01] Khratos (~khratos@190.166.116.107) joined ##slackware. [12:02] well not all documents are on both machines [12:03] i guess i could just put a thunar custom command which syncs the document with the other computer [12:04] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:04] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:05] Delahunt: so what's the actual problem you're trying to solve? how to sync documents between those two devices? [12:06] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:06] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) joined ##slackware. [12:07] doesn't unison use rsync [12:07] like rdiff [12:07] no [12:08] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-188-213.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:08] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:10] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:17] ouch, vim's vi in tmux is ... simply not working [12:17] it looks like ed [12:17] I didn't know vim would colorize git-commit, I'm finally setting EDITOR :P [12:18] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) joined ##slackware. [12:18] thrice` (thrice@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [12:18] thrice` (thrice@noobfarm.org) left irc: Changing host [12:18] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [12:18] Camarade_Tux: higlight in the git commit messages is so irrelevant :) [12:20] it's pretty! :P [12:20] Alan_Hicks (~alan@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [12:20] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [12:21] :D the eye want what the eye wants [12:22] man git-fetish [12:22] Camarade_Tux, the pico user. [12:22] :D [12:22] jeev: no, the pico user is my girlfriend -_- [12:22] (sorry for the bad joke :-) ) [12:22] har har har [12:23] i love my cheezy slackware xen system with 3 cheezy xen guests lol [12:23] model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz, each one hahahaha [12:23] not even virtualization capable [12:23] Action: Camarade_Tux hugs jeev for he uses ocaml [12:23] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:24] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:24] dont hug me frenchieruskie [12:24] Patero-ng (~coco@174-23-41-98.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:24] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [12:24] Patero-ng kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Patero-ng, the net just got a bit wider. *.slkc.qwest.net is next, and then *.qwest.net. Then everyone on the whole ISP will think you're an asshat; it won't be just us any more :) [12:24] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:24] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:25] ananke, sort of, thinking of how to do it elegantly (scripting it so that i choose to sync but it's not so intensive every time) [12:25] if it were the same device a cp -u would suffice [12:25] (per file) [12:27] why is that guy banned [12:27] probably for trolling [12:28] Very much so [12:28] Delahunt: dropbox would do it in the background [12:28] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:28] Plus, he was not using Slackware (backtrack instead) and kept insisting we should consider that Slackware as well [12:28] ok [12:28] ananke, would that require ssh by key files rather than interactive password? [12:28] hey i gotta go, be back later [12:28] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:29] Delahunt: dropbox is an ext... [12:29] i do like backtrack 3 tho i prefer it over slax as a live slack based cd [12:29] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [12:29] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-188-213.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:29] zux (~zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [12:29] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:29] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [12:30] I'm dont know what to do with my qemu-kvm set up.. .it's not running slackware 13.0 at all. [12:30] It's always worked fine... until I started running Slackware64 here.. [12:30] kvm stuff need update? [12:30] is it normal that cp -al doesn't copy or link dot-files [12:31] alkos333: what's wrong? [12:32] http://bit.ly/9yNrpr [12:32] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [12:32] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:32] dood alkos333 [12:32] you're looking for qemu-img [12:33] alkos333: qemu-img create [12:33] oh he did qemu-img [12:33] Yes, I did. [12:33] so you're trying to start and it wont start ? [12:33] paste your command line here if it's one line. [12:33] There's a screenshot in the very first post [12:34] what versions [12:34] I still have "qemu-img create -f raw win7.img 30G" in my shell history [12:34] http://bit.ly/bwtAOQ [12:34] yea i saw it, what version of qemu [12:34] It's qemu-kvm 0.12.2 now [12:35] root@vm:~# ls /var/log/packages/qemu-kvm-0.12.1.2-x86_64-1_SBo [12:35] that's what i'm running [12:35] I mean windows 7 32-bit here is the only thing that I've been able to run successfully [12:35] Linux vm 2.6.32.7 #2 SMP Fri Jan 29 22:53:20 CST 2010 x86_64 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5420 @ 2.50GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [12:35] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:35] I have qemu 0.11.0 however, .12 must be quite recent [12:35] slackware host/guest for me [12:35] root@tpx200:/boot# ls /var/log/packages/*qemu* [12:35] /var/log/packages/qemu-kvm-0.12.2-x86_64-1_SBo [12:36] Linux tpx200 2.6.32 #2 SMP PREEMPT Mon Dec 28 15:10:18 CST 2009 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P8600 @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [12:36] alkos333, you couldn't even get to the install cd ? [12:36] It prompts for the kernel to use and the hangs with the dump that's in the screenshot [12:36] alkos333: -cpu core2duo? [12:37] Camarade_Tux: I tried getting rid of that flag, didn't help. [12:37] qemu-system-x86_64 -drive file=box.raw,if=scsi,format=raw,boot=on -vga std -net nic,model=e1000,macaddr=xxxxxxxxx -monitor stdio -vnc :2 -smp 2 -m 4096 -net tap -localtime -cdrom slackware64-13.0-install-dvd.iso -boot c [12:37] that's how i'm running mine [12:37] alkos333: and what about without kvm? [12:37] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [12:37] You mean w/o -enable-kvm? [12:37] the flag? [12:37] alkos333, try the way i do mine [12:38] yea, i dont use that flag [12:38] van (~van@79.103.136.171.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:38] (qemu) info kvm [12:38] kvm support: enabled [12:38] so scary, if i ctrl+C or quit, i could keel one of my vms [12:38] lol yeah :) [12:38] let me try that.. [12:38] alkos333: yes, without the flag [12:39] anybidy with avidemux? [12:39] anybody* [12:39] Camarade_Tux: no luck [12:40] qemu-system-x86_64 -m 768 -hda slack-13.0.raw -cdrom ~/downloads/files/slackware-13.0-iso/slackware-13.0-install-d1.iso -boot d [12:41] maybe you could try the 64bit iso ? [12:41] hmm [12:41] alkos333: and without -boot and without -hda? [12:41] do you have kvm and kvm_intel loaded? lsmod ? [12:41] I've tried both. Don't have a 64-bit d1 on me right now [12:42] and maybe with a different kernel too, [12:42] jeev: Yes. [12:42] alkos333: you only need the usbboot.img file to boot from it [12:42] kvm mods shouldn't matter i guess [12:42] 40MB [12:42] since qemu should at least run [12:42] jeev: That's true, as if from a usb drive :) [12:43] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [12:43] bell (~chatzilla@77-234-11-48.pppoe.yaroslavl.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:44] you built your kernel yourself eh ? [12:45] grep -i virt /boot/config [12:45] or your config, pastebin.. i gotta go hurry! [12:49] jeev: Yes, I did. [12:49] Sorry, yes. one sec. [12:52] jeev: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/477020/.config [12:54] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:55] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:56] http://paste.pocoo.org/show/182609/ [13:00] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:01] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [13:01] i dont know, try the default slack config's virt stuff [13:01] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [13:02] jeev: Alright - I'll check it out. [13:02] Are you using a stock kernel as well? [13:03] dru1d (~dru1d@82.177.172.217) joined ##slackware. [13:03] yea [13:05] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.197.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:05] Alright, I'll look into it. [13:05] Thank you so much for your help though! [13:05] jeev: Well, what do you get for grep -i virt ? [13:07] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:07] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-71-129.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [13:07] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:12] other_rafa (rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:12] <_slackin_> so is there a patch for NVIDIA driver yet? [13:13] <_slackin_> nvidia has been open for 2 hours now [13:13] <_slackin_> no one [13:13] <_slackin_> should be done right? [13:13] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-188-213.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:13] NO! [13:13] _slackin_: what? [13:13] no one should be done right? [13:13] <_slackin_> i meant [13:13] <_slackin_> no, one [13:13] <_slackin_> not two [13:13] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:13] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-96-121.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:13] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-188-213.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] what should be done? [13:14] <_slackin_> nvidia has been open for a little over an hour since they released 2,6,33 this morning [13:14] <_slackin_> so they should hav a patch done by now right? ;p [13:14] Sheesh [13:14] They don't do the patches [13:14] The community does [13:14] <_slackin_> i know [13:14] <_slackin_> im joking [13:14] <_slackin_> completely and totally [13:14] oh [13:15] slava_dp (~slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) joined ##slackware. [13:15] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:18] Axius (~fd@109.97.40.118) joined ##slackware. [13:18] alienBOB: Not sure if you got my ping about libssh for KDE4.4 at all. [13:20] wolven__ (~wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [13:20] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:20] Stellar (stellar@unaffiliated/stellar) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:21] HaMpA (~kompaesf@80.251.192.2) joined ##slackware. [13:22] NaCl: I know. And I told on LQ why I did not add libssh - sevaral code reviews wrote about the bad code quality. And since this is going to run my secure connections, I decided to not add libssh [13:22] Action: NaCl doesn't read LQ. [13:22] Very well. [13:23] fish:// works fine, though [13:25] fish:// is awesome. [13:25] I'm just used to typing in sftp:// all of the time. They are more or less equivalent [13:25] vcampos (~vitor@unaffiliated/vcampos) joined ##slackware. [13:26] libssh2 is a big improvement [13:26] paissad_ (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:26] different author and a totally different architecture [13:26] feindbild (~iostream@HSI-KBW-078-043-131-081.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) joined ##slackware. [13:26] hi :) [13:27] nv4Phil (~phil@adsl-156-27-71.bna.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:27] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:27] bell (~chatzilla@77-234-11-48.pppoe.yaroslavl.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:27] slackware-current, dhcpcd.sh doesn't get run anymore. The problem existed quite a while, does anybody know a fix? [13:27] Action: NaCl wonders why KDE picked the older one over the newer one [13:27] xover (~xover@host86-150-128-26.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:29] nv4Phil (~phil@adsl-32-218-139.bna.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] feinbeld whatis dhcpcd.sh [13:30] nacl i suspect they wrote their ssh bits before libssh2 came around [13:30] And when was that? [13:31] dhcpcd is still included its not a script tho [13:31] goarilla: /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd.sh script is executed by dhcpcd daemon any time it configures or shuts down interface. [13:31] i dont thin dhcpcd needs a script for that [13:31] GooseYArd: It works fine in the 4.3.4 SC in -current [13:31] I've never heard of that. [13:31] Action: NaCl looks [13:32] NaCl: sorry i was replying to your question about why they used libssh instead of libssh2 [13:32] goarilla: it is a feature of dhcpd, and I need it :) [13:32] wolven_ (~wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:32] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:32] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [13:32] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [13:32] wolven__ (~wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:32] i'm not certain about this but the community seems to move towards dhclient as a dhc client [13:32] wolven_ (~wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [13:32] dhcp* [13:32] GooseYArd: I know that. [13:32] dhcpcd.conf i can beleive [13:32] goarilla: what community [13:32] but a script ? [13:33] goarilla: dhcp clients run scripts [13:33] feindbild: have a look at /etc/dhcpcd.enter-hook [13:33] every reent live cd [13:33] goarilla: document yourself first [13:33] goarilla: Wrong. dhcpcd is standard on Slackware. [13:33] dhclient is there, FWIW [13:33] goarilla: yes, a script, it used to get executed until jan 7th by dhcpd [13:33] thats when I did an upgrade :P [13:34] it's just an experience i have that more live cd's i use tend to use dhclient instead of dhcpcd now [13:34] feindbild: it is dhcpcd not dhcpd [13:35] GooseYArd: /etc/dhcpcd.enter-hook <- that I don't have [13:35] mtkoan (~no_name@unaffiliated/mtkoan) joined ##slackware. [13:35] alienBOB: ok, but how do I get that hook back? [13:35] goarilla: Slackware is not a livecd. [13:35] feindbild: here's an example of one http://gooseyard.blogspot.com/2010/01/wired-8021x-with-slackware.html [13:35] could be it's just because i have a larger live cd ecosystem now [13:36] i use bt or slax as live cd [13:36] jkwood: lies: I just boot on the usb installer and installpkg everything in ram, works like a charm ;p [13:36] How can I get .pcf fonts to render write in gtk2? I can see the installed fonts fine with 'xfontsel' but selecting them in a gtk2 interface, they are not rendering properly [13:36] feindbild: man dhcpcd-run-hooks was a big help [13:36] Camarade_Tux: that doesn't qualify as "cd" :P [13:37] alien your spot on the slackware is down [13:37] or was down [13:37] goarilla: Slax is based on Slackware. BT is based on Slax. Neither is actually Slackware, nor will the maintainers claim such. [13:37] pprkut: I'll just smash my usb key with a hammer until it is cd-shaped then ;p [13:37] "keep smashing" [13:37] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [13:37] Camarade_Tux: that's a pretty big USB key. :P [13:38] tssss i said the exact same thing 200 lines ago to somebody else jkwood [13:38] Camarade_Tux: :D [13:38] i know i know i know [13:38] NaCl: and a really flat one ;-) [13:38] GooseYArd: thank you :) [13:38] Billtoo (~bill@bas4-unionville55-1176203917.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [13:38] but alienBOB is the public key which i can use for your signed packages available on a public keyserver ? [13:39] feindbild: np, i think you'll like the hooks stuff, its a little more complicated but it makes it a lot easier to do complicated things [13:40] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [13:42] evanton (~lol@unaffiliated/evanton) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [13:45] feindbild: see "man dhcpcd-run-hooks" [13:46] goarilla: are you blind? [13:47] slackin_ (~slackin@97.103.45.124) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:48] That would be interesting if he/she was blind. [13:50] Action: BP{k} is going to go with "Why, yes he is." [13:51] huh [13:51] Give it a minute, the dog is still reading the web page. [13:51] BP{k}: bazinga :D [13:51] <_slackin_> hey guys [13:51] <_slackin_> i got a patch that is fresh [13:51] i am myopic tho but still kinda harsh no [13:51] <_slackin_> off the presses [13:52] <_slackin_> and i got a new error [13:52] <_slackin_> but this one looks almost solvable [13:52] pastebin it baby [13:52] gar0t0: heyo. :) [13:52] <_slackin_> ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. [13:52] <_slackin_> ^^ thats all [13:52] <_slackin_> from nvidia-installer.log [13:52] grep the run file [13:52] goarilla: well I don't know if I should agree with you, but perhaps the file GPG-KEY should be renamed somewhat different to make it easier to see, no? :P [13:53] alienBOB signs with patricks private key ? [13:53] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:53] or patrick signs alienbobs packages after review [13:54] Action: BP{k} sighs and head for the fridge. [13:54] I am too sober to deal with this. [13:54] :( [13:55] BP{k}: take one for me too please ;-) [13:55] GooseYArd: I'd have to wait a month to get a new ip to test it :) RENEW is the correct $reason if I want to check for a new ip? :) [13:56] HaMpA (~kompaesf@80.251.192.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:56] from man dhcpcd-run-hooks [13:56] mtkoan (~no_name@unaffiliated/mtkoan) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:57] i think thats right [13:57] GooseYArd: thanks :) [13:58] np glad to help [13:58] mtkoan (~no_name@unaffiliated/mtkoan) joined ##slackware. [13:58] anybody with avidemux nstalled? [13:58] installed* [13:58] avidemux2 :) [14:00] pffffff [14:00] the slackbuild on slackbuilds.org dont work [14:01] van: compiled all dependecies? recursively? :) [14:01] yeap [14:01] error? [14:01] van, pastebin the complete build output. [14:02] van: when you say "don't work" .. do you think you could possibly more descriptive? [14:02] wait to run it again [14:02] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:02] BP{k}, ofcourse not :) [14:02] van: guess we can call it that you failed and close the case. ;) [14:02] nessundorma_ (~mike@78.134.115.201) joined ##slackware. [14:03] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:03] so long and thanks for the fish .... eh help ^^ [14:03] o/ [14:03] feindbild (iostream@HSI-KBW-078-043-131-081.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [14:05] ALVAN (~galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [14:05] Immundus (~obi@g229054109.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:06] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-71-129.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:06] Nick change: nessundorma_ -> nessundorma [14:07] here is the error: http://pastebin.com/GVMTUPQw [14:08] devafree (~kannan@58.68.68.26) joined ##slackware. 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[14:19] is there any way of automounting a specific usb device with some specific rules, everytime it is plugged in? i mean, i am trying to do it with fstab, but the problem is that sometimes the device is /dev/sdb1 and sometimes it is /dev/sdc1 (in case some other dev is already attached) [14:19] I installed alienBOB's freenx packages from here: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/freenx/pkg/12.2/ [14:20] Are there any tutorials on how to get it up and running? [14:20] I've downloaded nxclient from nomachine.com and tried to connect to localhost, but I really don't know what I'm doing or how freeNX is supposed to work. [14:21] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-209-154.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [14:21] I noticed that the doinst.sh in the package adds a new user 'nx' to the system [14:21] I don't know what that's all about. [14:21] teckan, you can use UID (man mount) [14:21] It makes no sense at all to want to connect to a NX server on the localhost [14:22] alienBOB, I'm just trying to figure out how it all works. Eventually, I'm going to connect from a different computer. If I can't even connect from localhost, then that's a moot point, right? [14:22] The connection failed with "user authentication failed for user <,username>" [14:23] nathanbw: again - try from another computer [14:23] So I must not have imported the proper authentication key, or I need to let it use my password. [14:23] alienBOB, okay I will [14:23] nathanbw: the nxclient from NM.com has the correct key for the server [14:25] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net expired. [14:25] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:25] nathanbw: also, look at http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:nx [14:25] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:26] Delahunt, the UUID is invariant? [14:26] er yeah UUID [14:26] yeah it should not change [14:26] *the UUID of a device [14:26] (notice i say should) [14:26] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:27] alienBOB, thanks. I'm installing the nxclient on another machine now [14:27] how do i get a subtitle in gxine? [14:27] Azeotrope, get vlc from alien's repo [14:28] you don't get something in one application using another [14:28] gxine is crap [14:28] use mplayer -sub /path/file.sub file.avi [14:28] if he wants to use it, help him use it (i.e. answer his question) otherwise you're not helping you're campaigning for a program [14:28] Delahunt, i insist, gxine is crap. any player is better than that. [14:28] slava_dp, noted but note you're not answering his question [14:29] Azeotrope, did you try "man gxine" or look at the online documentation? [14:29] slava_dp: yea, vlc sounds nicer [14:30] Delahunt: no... [14:30] Azeotrope, wrong answer, i guess. [14:30] Action: Delahunt shakes his head [14:30] vlc is good. [14:30] i like MPlayer [14:31] i'll give vlc a vote. i use it with linux and windows. you can get vlc packages for slackware with all of the optional codecs from alienBOB's site. [14:31] Action: slava_dp thinks mplayer is a bloated unusable doesn't-know-what [14:31] never said vlc isn't good, i just think it's messed up to not answer someone's question (you don't know, maybe he will like vlc more, maybe he will like gxine, but it's not about what he likes, it's about the question he asked) [14:31] Delahunt, nobody likes gxine. [14:31] i think the same about VLC slava_dp [14:31] alienBOB, even from another computer, I get "Authentication failed for user " [14:32] slava_dp, you don't know everyone so you cannot possibly make that assertion [14:32] Do you think this may be because I'm running SSH on a different port than 22 (In the nxclient wizard, I did specify the correct port) [14:32] And you did check that URL I posted nathanbw? [14:32] MPlayer bloated wtf ! [14:33] Axius (~fd@109.97.40.118) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:33] sounds like someone is on a FUD roll [14:33] All the time Slackware did not have MPlayer everybody was yelling that it should be added... now that it has been added, it is bloated?//////////// [14:33] alienBOB, I read it, but where are those error message supposed to be printed? (The logging lines beginning with NX>)? I don't get any message on the console where I start nxclient [14:34] yeah i don't get it too alienBOB [14:34] it makes my old machines usefull for video viewing [14:35] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-60-117.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:35] plz volunteer to connect to my VPN server, for test ?? [14:35] what kind of connect twanny [14:35] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:35] just visit your website [14:36] alienBOB, ignore the FUD rollers 8-) [14:36] Delahunt, i UUID stands for universal unique identifier [14:36] i hope that means it is unique [14:36] (at least when mounted in the same system) [14:37] should be [14:37] well mplayer is not bloated, it's just too complicated for a video player. i'm having nothing against any program, just don't like some :) [14:37] Kamel (klo_028@c-76-123-106-217.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:37] BojanN (~bojan@tk91-30-wi.ninet.rs) joined ##slackware. [14:38] alienBOB, also, I don't have /var/lib/nxserver/nxhome ... [14:38] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:38] i kinda needed it slava_dp it's advanced options allowed me to enjoy hd movies on my slow slow slow ass machine [14:38] goarilla, that's fine with me. whatever works for people is fine. [14:39] slava_dp, so your reason to discourage the use of mplayer is based on basically your own preference and nothing more. nice. [14:39] VLC is a bitch to compile yourself tho, it has lots of dependancies [14:39] complex is not a concrete or universal fact, it is an opinion [14:39] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [14:39] Action: slava_dp likes dragon player/kde4 and vlc/xfce most. [14:39] true [14:39] they say slackware is ancient and sucks, do we heed their opinion? no, they're spreading FUD [14:39] it's more complex than compiling MPlayer on my setup [14:40] don't do the same thing as those you don't like [14:40] pizdets (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:40] iIMHO [14:40] i am not spreading FUD! [14:40] Action: Delahunt shrugs [14:40] he's talking about me [14:41] pizdets (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:41] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] i'm talking in general [14:42] euhm which version of ff enables some draft html 5 [14:42] goarilla, beginning from FF 3.5 [14:42] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:42] Kamel (klo_064@c-76-123-106-217.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:44] anyone got some good test site to show it off [14:46] goarilla, the mozilla.org page for ff has test video. [14:47] the youtbe html5 doesnt work [14:47] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [14:48] youtube uses x264 for html5 afaik, while FF uses Theora. [14:49] so youtube = non-usable [14:49] my google fu sucks now [14:49] go any link to the mozilla.org site [14:49] got* [14:50] nevermind [14:50] http://people.mozilla.com/~prouget/demos/round/index.xhtml [14:50] bbc has some test [14:51] http://people.mozilla.com/~prouget/demos/simpleVideo/video.html [14:51] And lots more [14:51] Okay, so the server and client keys were different. How can import the key for use in the client? [14:52] ok thank you alienBOB [14:52] it's still very cpu intensive tho [14:52] flash is faster [14:53] although the rotation could be some slow ass javascript [14:53] alienBOB, my SSD is working great. 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[15:28] can anyone else access http://www.valdezicorp.com/ i am getting a php error, just curious if anyone does as well. [15:30] shit.. meant to post this in OT. /fail. [15:30] tard [15:30] :) [15:30] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [15:30] ESAD [15:30] :P [15:30] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:35] axtroz_ (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [15:37] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:39] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.27.222) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:39] Agent57 (~nobody@cpc3-basf8-2-0-cust420.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:40] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.27.222) joined ##slackware. [15:40] Nick change: axtroz_ -> Axtroz [15:40] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [15:40] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:43] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:43] alienBOB: what 'secret updates' should we expect? [15:44] it's called secret for a reason :P [15:44] theyre replacing the kernel with hurd [15:45] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [15:46] i wonder if there would be any chance that the posix compliant scripts posted @ LQ would be part of Slackware [15:46] but most people wouldnt care about stuff like that [15:47] i didnt test em either [15:49] was that person replacing /bin/sh or something? [15:49] i saw that but couldnt understand the motivation [15:50] it would be possible to use any posix compliant shell [15:50] right now theres some 'bashisms' [15:51] to what end though [15:52] if you link another shell to /bin/sh i guess bash can even be removed afterwards [15:54] GooseYArd: was the hurd comment a joke or have i been living under a rock? [15:54] dirty: oh heavens no, a joke sorry [15:54] ok :) got me worried there [15:54] hah, well [15:55] Action: dirty was wondering how far from mach 3 hurd has gone if that was the case [15:55] 1000 invocations of bash vs .ash yielded 0m3.232s vs 0m0.736s [15:56] mohaa (~nome@92.49.78.161) joined ##slackware. [15:56] i suppose thats something [15:57] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-hwhhvskgakrebnmr) left irc: Quit: xMDKx [15:57] zsh 0m4.304s csh 0m13.924s [15:58] ksh was 0m1.751s [15:58] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ...! 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[16:04] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [16:05] I still don't understand how to get my DSA keys set up so freeNX will work. Does anybody have any experience with this? [16:06] create key pair. put public key in freenx box's ~/.ssh/authorized_hosts file. done. [16:06] yeah. what adaptr said. [16:06] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.27.222) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:06] next! [16:06] actually, not. it's not. [16:06] nathanbw, the key should already be created in /etc/nxserver [16:06] nathanbw: put the public half of the key in ~nx/.ssh/authorized_keys [16:07] copy the key to the key file in the client config box [16:07] alkos333 (~alkos333@68-30-72-16.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [16:08] I mean copy the key to the client config box [16:08] bell (~chatzilla@77-234-11-48.pppoe.yaroslavl.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:08] ah, fancy schmancy gooeys! [16:08] arghh2d2 (~arghh2d2@cpe-98-30-113-178.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:08] HaMpA (~kompaesf@80.251.192.2) joined ##slackware. [16:08] IF you don't use the gui you will have to create the key pairs as the user NX [16:09] does slackwares regular install isos run well as a virtualbox guest or should i use something special? [16:09] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.27.222) joined ##slackware. [16:09] adrenaline: um... why ? any public key will do.. [16:10] arghh2d2: they worked fine for me [16:10] zaltekk: cool, thnx [16:10] adaptr, if you have had luck wiht that great but I have just found it was easieer to copy the key in the gui config file and it works from where ever you are trying to log in [16:11] arghh2d2: i don't think that the guest tools install cleanly...i think their configuration perl script hangs up trying to do something with PAM. but i've heard that you can just bypass that part of the script without problems [16:11] Sorry my connection is slow right now so my keyboard is struggling to keep up [16:11] adrenaline: um.. not if you don't have the other half of that key [16:11] that's cool adaptr [16:12] The key paris for me sit on the server I put the client dsa on my client and it works great for me [16:12] s/pairs/paris [16:12] of course, but unless the key is part of a certificate bound to a client, it doesn't matter in the slightest where these keys come from [16:12] HaMpA (~kompaesf@80.251.192.2) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:13] guys why my firefox has difirent colours than other system? http://imagebin.org/86502 [16:13] 3.6 ? [16:13] 4.4 [16:14] but i think and 4.3.4 was the same [16:14] HaMpA (~kompaesf@80.251.192.2) joined ##slackware. [16:14] van, Firefox is based on GTK+ while KDE is using Qt [16:15] van: there is no firefox 4.x yet, so...No [16:15] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.27.222) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:16] You could use this http://code.google.com/p/gtk-qt-engine/ to make GTK Apps look like KDE >BUT< Firefox is not usable if you're using the Qt style with that package. [16:16] You can use gtk-qt-engine to switch GTK themes though [16:16] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:17] adaptr, i thought yu mean kde [16:17] sorry [16:17] van: did you mention the letters "kde" ? [16:18] plutonium (~plutonium@80.85.119.109) joined ##slackware. [16:18] adrenaline, StevenR, adaptr, Thanks for the help! I don't know which key to use. See: http://pastebin.ca/1810770 What goes where? [16:19] thx Axtroz [16:19] mattalexx_ (~mattalexx@67.42.63.210) joined ##slackware. [16:19] So, I did ssh-keygen -t dsa as my normal user (not user 'nx') and then I got id_dsa and id_dsa.pub [16:19] van, check out my system http://imagebin.org/86503 [16:19] Im using a Clearlooks style, it doesnt mess up firefox [16:19] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.27.222) joined ##slackware. [16:20] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: lalala going home [16:20] Axtroz, perfectly.....its what i want [16:21] so if it were me I would cat the client dsa key in /etc/nxserver then copy and paste it to the client gui config on th efirst tab where it says key [16:22] mattalexx (~mattalexx@pdpc/supporter/active/mattalexx) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:22] Sounds like adaptr has a different way that works for him [16:23] adrenaline, cool I'll try that. cp'ing the key into NX/share/keys and then using the "import..." button doesn't work. [16:24] The-Croupier (The-Croup@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [16:24] nathanbw: keys often need specific low permissions [16:24] van (~van@79.103.136.171.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:24] adrenaline: I wouldn't put my private key anywhere near any server. it doesn't need it. [16:25] copy/paste doesn't work either. Does my normal user have to authenticate with keys as well? I've been putting in my password [16:25] Just ssh'ing as my normal user works [16:26] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.27.222) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:26] HaMpA (~kompaesf@80.251.192.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:27] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.27.222) joined ##slackware. [16:27] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.210.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:27] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.210.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:28] ALVAN (~galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:29] Copy and paste will work if you ssh to the server from the client [16:29] I can't believe how little documentation exists for freeNX. It's (apparently) technically superior to just about everything else out there (sure as hell beats X11 + ssh) but details are so hard to come by. [16:29] nathanbw, once you figure it out you will be like I can't believe how good it works adn how easy it is. [16:30] You will figure it out you are close [16:30] what torrent client should i use and how to make my machine start downloading at boot regardless of user logging in/out. as root maybe? [16:31] I am actually talking to you now on a NXserver at my house from my work, but my work lappy is so crap right now it is really slow. I have a new one on order and it will be rockin soon [16:31] adrenaline, thanks. I did 'cat /etc/nxserver/client.id_dsa.key' and then carefully cut and pasted that into the dialog box given by nxclient, and still I get "User nathan failed to authenticate" [16:31] adrenaline, nice [16:31] What is your client adn what is your server? [16:31] I'm doing VNC+ssh at the moment [16:31] but I'm doing really low color VNC because I don't have that much bandwith. [16:32] did you make sure not to paste any white space? [16:32] yeah, I was pretty careful with it [16:32] paste it into a text editor and see if it is all one line first it wil lnot owrk if it adds new lines [16:33] If your server is linux adn your client is windows it may want to add new lines in the pasete [16:33] paste [16:33] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.27.222) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:34] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.27.222) joined ##slackware. [16:34] adrenaline, removing the newlines gives "DSA key is corrupted or has been protected with a passphrase" [16:35] slava_dp (~slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [16:35] twanny796 (~twanny@78.133.48.157) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:35] Put in a text file all one line (no word wrap) then repaste it [16:35] adrenaline, I just did that [16:35] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:36] Check it against the origional and see if something changed also do you have all of the dashes in it? [16:36] It has to be completed [16:37] k_wolf (~bb4f28b3@gateway/web/freenode/x-lrifsxsaogqjhygi) joined ##slackware. [16:38] Is it suspicious that through this entire thing, /var/log/nxserver.log has remained completely empty? [16:38] hi people. Is there a way to change the SNMPD listenning port? [16:38] nathanbw: enable logging then? [16:38] alienBOB, sweet. How? [16:39] Edit the freaking conf file [16:39] Action: jkwood logs alienBOB [16:39] Action: alienBOB hits jkwood with a log [16:40] k_wolf: yes. man snmpd.conf and man snmpd [16:40] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [16:40] Action: pprkut logs jkwood's log-hit [16:40] acidtripper (~gonza@190.193.18.19) joined ##slackware. [16:40] alienBOB, found it, thanks [16:40] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [16:42] hi guys im getting this error when trying to build transcode with slackbuild http://acidtripper.pastebin.com/eGwbraW1 [16:42] what torrent client should i use and how to make my machine start downloading at boot regardless of user logging in/out. [16:42] Azeotrope: maybe you could use /etc/inittab to automaticaly log in your user which triggers a script to start a screen session which starts rtorrent then detaches the screen session and logs out the user ? [16:42] arghh2d2: hmm, i don't want my user to autologin [16:42] Okay, cool. Got some logs: http://pastebin.ca/1810793 [16:43] arghh2d2: the only method i know so far is running transmission-deamon as root [16:43] The password was definitely right though... [16:43] Azeotrope: just long enough to start screen+rtorrent and then logout [16:43] butterball (~62e7bfe7@gateway/web/freenode/x-xmzjmeuxdexholvm) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:44] I mean, it should be looking for my user's system password, right? [16:44] Azeotrope: i'm just brainstorming, if you got a better idea then go for it [16:44] StevenR: Sorry. I looked again and understood now. Thanks too. [16:45] Azeotrope: if you dont use a DM then the autologin+screen+rtorrent startup would be practically unnoticable [16:45] vldmr (1000@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [16:45] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:46] arghh2d2: yea, but i also use /home encryption [16:49] alienBOB, adrenaline, StevenR, adaptr: just needed to add ENABLE_USER_MODE_AUTHENTICATION="1" to node.conf. Could I update the wiki page here with more information? http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:nx [16:50] Khratos (~khratos@190.166.140.16) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:50] Azeotrope: i have no experience with "/home encryption" so i have no idea why you're telling me this [16:51] Camarade_Tux: looking at the logs, longest time it took a flame to render here was 1440 seconds [16:52] NaCl: nice =) [16:52] I wonder if some of this stuf could be put onto a GPU... [16:52] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: brb [16:52] NaCl: some flames take 10-15 minutes to render, some take 40 minutes, it depends on the genome but usually the longest ones are not the nicest, they're oftern far too loaded and for example, a uniform green image will take a lot of time to render [16:53] NaCl: actually, I've already thought about doing that ;-) [16:53] NaCl: but I don't have the time for it [16:53] teckan (~teckan@p5B0CFA76.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:54] Apparently it's already been done for CUDA [16:54] Action: NaCl only has an ATI card [16:55] opencl [16:56] http://sourceforge.net/projects/flam4/ [16:56] Apparently it's in there somewhere. [16:56] But it doesn't have a linux port. [16:56] _slackin_ (~slackin@124.45.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: No route to host [16:56] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:56] |slackin| (~slackin@124.45.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:57] should be doable [16:57] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:57] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:57] one thing with flam3 is that it scales very well with the number of processors and does a lot of floating-point (I think it's fp) [16:57] nathanbw: negative. If you had to enable that, it means you had to work around a deficiency in your setup [16:58] NaCl: it has a mac port however [16:58] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:58] alienBOB, ah, I see. I wondered if something was up when I logged in and I am user 'nx' not, user 'nathan' [16:58] anyone else have problems with vbox latly? [16:58] Camarade_Tux: hmmmm... [16:58] nathanbw: indeed. It is wrong [16:58] Might be a good project to do over my break in two weeks [16:58] i've tried suing the slackbuild for ose and the binary from the website for the closed source version [16:59] and every konsole I opened gave me the NX> prompt (the only way to get a bash shell was K->run command-> xterm -e 'bash') [16:59] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [16:59] the slackbuil installs but if i try to mobprode vboxdrv comptuer crashes [16:59] alienBOB, do you know where I should start looking to fix this? [17:00] Camarade_Tux: I'll take a look and get the ATI Stream SDK in a little bit [17:00] nathanbw: you _are_ running an actual Slackware? [17:00] and if i isntall from the .run vboxdrv doesn't get isntalled [17:00] alienBOB, affirmative. 12.2, upgrade from 12.1 long ago [17:01] i'm on the in #vbox but doesn't seem like anyone is around there :( [17:01] NaCl: would be nice to have =) [17:02] alienBOB, I do have vbox from the 13.0 SBo slackbuild (and the slackware-13.0 tar and xz packages), and a few other SBo packages, but that's about it. [17:03] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-129.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:03] Instead of building nxlibs + freeNX myself, I just grabbed the packages here: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/freenx/pkg/12.2/ [17:04] At the time I installed the package, I did not have public key authentication enabled for sshd. Would that have messed up doinst.sh? [17:04] No [17:05] Your errors point at your own user's login (it fails) - the nx login using the NX server key works fine [17:05] brb [17:05] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:05] arghh2d2 (arghh2d2@cpe-98-30-113-178.woh.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [17:06] alienBOB, yeah, and I think that's weird. I've tried with two different users with two different passwords, more than once, so I'm sure I'm typing the pw right. [17:06] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:06] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [17:06] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [17:06] dmesg |tail shows this after i run /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv setup (which fails and tells me to check dmesg [17:06] http://pastebin.com/4DDCRVi6 [17:06] Camarade_Tux: know if there are any projects that could be done with flam3? Like for academia and whanot? [17:06] I'm using version 3.4.0-5 of the nx client to connect [17:07] Still on localhost only? [17:07] toastytoast: there's nothing related to vbox in there [17:07] Naw, connecting from my linux box at work [17:08] whoops one second [17:08] i installed successfully libnotify for 64bit slack but i just can't use them. nothing appears. i use the pidgin-libnotify plugint, in tried notify-send Hello [17:08] i started x and paste binned that instead xD [17:08] jmonter (~3fc7dba2@gateway/web/freenode/x-haoafwndfoeqqatm) joined ##slackware. [17:09] hello everyone. [17:09] hello individual [17:10] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:10] mr-S^b43 (~sven@cc940512-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:10] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:11] anyone here got awn extra running without actually installing gnome ? [17:11] alienBOB, I'm thinking of upgradepkg --reinstall and seeing if that changes anything... ? [17:11] giuppy (~giuppy@host200-162-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:11] does anyone know how to fix suspend mode. When trying to start computer from standby the monitor goes blank. [17:11] NaCl: don't really know, flam3's algorithm has been described in a paper (thesis?) but I don't know if there's a lot to add, however the gpu could be interesting: there are a few quick studies of the speed/speedup but there doesn't seem to be more than blog posts so maybe that could be worth it [17:12] NaCl: http://strobe.cc/ <- see #1 [17:12] how do i make all connections go thru a proxy? [17:12] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:12] jmonter: take a look at this http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-13-suspend-751219/ [17:12] NaCl: well, and other pages too [17:13] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:13] mr-S^b43: i tried to use awn but is a pita [17:13] mirmillo: missing applets, etc [17:14] yes ii know. got awn basuic running but the extra package is just giving me **cencord *** [17:15] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:15] the issue is that you basicallu need to install dropline to get it going. That seems kind of overkill to me [17:16] wtf now dmesg isn't reporting anything at all about vbox [17:16] :( [17:17] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:17] ntp (~rponteado@200-206-145-34.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[17:18] it should log 7 or 8 lines upon loading the module [17:20] oh boy now if i run it /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv setup dmesg doens't report anything [17:20] k_wolf (~bb4f28b3@gateway/web/freenode/x-lrifsxsaogqjhygi) left irc: Quit: Page closed [17:20] when i installed the ose version everyhting isntlaled but when i tried to mobdrobe vboxdrv slackware crashed [17:21] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:21] this si the only time i've ever amnge to see slackware crash asside form a fork bomb i ran one time as a dare and out of bordum [17:21] out-of-tree drivers aren't always stable and vbox is actually a quite big crasher [17:22] I wouldn't run it on a server [17:22] yeha but it was sjut wokring litteraly two days ago sjut fine [17:22] jsut working* [17:22] just * [17:22] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [17:24] two different problems with two different ways of installing i'm going to try straight up compiling ose rather than using a slackbuild and see if i can get three for three :( [17:24] kerneloops.org down for me but it shows vbox is quite crashy [17:26] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.24.9) joined ##slackware. [17:27] i see still find it strange tho that this jsut seeminly randomly started happending i'm 99% sure i've made no changes to slackware it sefl between the time ti was working and now [17:27] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [17:28] toastytoast: download the linux package from sunoracle, chmod +x it, and run. simple. [17:28] um i've done that [17:28] and ? [17:29] qwhen i install it liek that vboxdrv isn't made [17:29] and it somtimes crashes while isntlaling making me have to shut power to my machine off and tturn it back on [17:30] explain "isn't made" [17:30] what kind of hardware ? [17:30] which sun package are you using ? [17:30] after ssuccesful isntall and it sayud vboxdrv is not loaded so i run /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv start [17:31] i get modprobe vboxdrv not found check dmesg for information [17:31] dmesg doesn't ahve anything about vbox [17:31] you need to ru the setup [17:32] in addtion i had it running jsut two days ago and yesterday it simplyt didn't work anymore [17:33] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:34] then it is unlikely that the problem is with vbox [17:34] mr-S^b43: thx [17:34] except as i said i'm 99.9% certain that i've made absolutly no changes to slackware [17:35] no problem [17:35] as you may be aware, "simply didn't work anymore" is not a realistic scenario [17:37] i know and useually i would laugh at my self for saying it but in this case i'm serios [17:37] it was running fine i went to bed when i woke up and tried to run it it simple would not run [17:37] and every attempt to reinstall ti since than has had problems [17:38] have you rebooted the box ? 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[17:39] the vboxdrv module may have b0rked [17:39] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:39] i've had to due to it crashing for different reson involving vbox [17:40] sever times when i've run ./Virtualbox*.run it hass crashed while building the modules completly freezeing up slackware [17:40] when i reboot and i get aa succesful isntall using that method vboxdrv doesn't exist according to modprobe [17:40] you don't need to re-install vbox to get the module to build [17:41] and the time i sued the slackbuild for ose it isntalled but then when i tried loading vboxsrv it compltyl locks up slackware [17:41] when i try running /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv setup it says its rebulding it [17:42] then when it goes to load it it says modprobe vboxdrv does not exitt check dmesg for inforamtion and dmesg doens't so anythign about ti [17:43] PathagenX (~PathagenX@125-238-63-199.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. 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[17:49] im holding the lock [17:49] you need to load mod_depraved first, it may not be available for your kernel [17:49] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:50] i need to update my source list to deb http://ftp.hookers.org/debian/ squeeze main sluts banshees non-free [17:50] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:50] you don't want banshees [17:50] there must be a patch somewhere to get nvidia drivers built with 2.6.33...seen it but cant find it anymore [17:51] and I would stay away from non-free if I were you - there's some nasty viruses in there [17:51] that would be the free stuff, non-free is cleaner [17:51] cteg: Nvidia would have to do that. [17:51] however, you should be safe in using johnlee [17:52] Camarade_Tux: got opencl to install [17:52] At lesat ATI's openCL [17:52] yeah. anyway, there is a patch seen it this morning [17:54] NaCl: waiting for the open-source drivers to support opencl here :P [17:54] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:55] i tried running the isntaller again it crashed when it got to building netadp kenrel module :( [17:55] toastytoast: what does the log say [17:55] toastytoast: did you check the log that adaptr mentioned? [17:55] Camarade_Tux: my card is too new, radeonhd doesn't support it yet. :P [17:55] oops [17:55] whihc log [17:55] NaCl: do radeon* support any form of opencl? [17:56] IIRC, no [17:56] google agrees [17:56] would have been surprising [17:56] not sure if this is the right place to ask, i'm trying to compile gtk 2.18 and it's complaining about not finding libgobject-2.0.la in /usr/lib [17:56] msut have crashed aarght before you said whihc log to check or right after i didn't get it [17:57] they might in the next few months however =) [17:57] it exists in /usr/local/lib but symlinking or copying the file to /usr/lib doesn't seem to make a difference [17:57] Camarade_Tux: hm. Looks like support exists. [17:57] I mean, a FoSS driver for my kernel [17:57] rather, my card [17:57] could you please repeat the log adaptr ? [17:57] NaCl: which card? [17:57] 5770HD [17:58] i'm using slackware 13, 32-bit [17:58] son of a [17:58] =) [17:58] what? :P [17:58] NaCl: yeah, from what I've read, there is support in drivers released in january or after [17:58] NaCl: ;-) [17:59] nvision (~nvision@e179140192.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:59] wwGL support is the only thing stopping me. [17:59] I don't need CL [17:59] distrust: if you have glib2 installed, it should be in /usr/lib [17:59] [23:46:10] /var/log/vbox-install.log [18:00] Camarade_Tux: got a flame that's going to take a while. [18:00] flame ? [18:00] /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv: line 306: /usr/share/virtualbox/src/vboxdrv/build_in_tmp: No such file or directory [18:00] an arson [18:00] adaptr: flam3: http://omploader.org/vM202dw/1266680442.png [18:00] biaatch. is that physics ? [18:00] toastytoast: Out of disk space? [18:01] fractals [18:01] nice. is there a cuda driver for nvidia ? [18:01] adaptr: um... [18:01] avocado (~8f6bb782@gateway/web/freenode/x-yymydjnxqxvlpfrr) joined ##slackware. [18:01] no got plenty of diskspace [18:01] nvidia invented cuda? [18:01] yeah, I know, CUDA as such is built in, but you still need libraries to talk to [18:01] someone wrote a cude port on linux (and apparently mac) [18:02] when i install slack 13 64 bit, at some point of the install it says that my media is corrupted and stops recognizing partitions. Anyone? [18:02] And an opencl port too. [18:02] 1.5gb avilbe in /root 276gb in /home 851mb in /var/ and 4.7gb on /usr/ [18:03] GooseYArd: i do have glib2, but it's not in /usr/lib, it's in /usr/local/lib [18:03] i think ati stream is included with boht the linux and windows drivers [18:03] the propritory oines [18:03] toastytoast: no, have to installit separately. [18:03] distrust: you dont have the slackware glib2 package? [18:03] NaCl: got a link to any of that ? [18:03] I doubt this 9400 will be fast, but it'd be fun to play with [18:04] What? The stream SDK? [18:04] unless it's only on the newer chips [18:04] Yes, only newer chips. [18:04] weird thing is that after i restarted after vbox crashed while isntlaling if i startx my mouse and keyboard stops working so is it possible to be an fglrx issue? [18:04] i just grabbed the source and compiled it from glib2's page [18:05] toastytoast: that's HAL [18:05] cmeow (cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:05] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:05] If you mouse/keyboard dies upon startx, hotplugging died somewhere. [18:05] adaptr: your 9400 does cuda [18:05] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:05] jmonter (~3fc7dba2@gateway/web/freenode/x-haoafwndfoeqqatm) left irc: Quit: Page closed [18:05] 9400? [18:05] ..but slowly :) [18:05] Guest10280 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:05] Action: NaCl was thinking of an ATI card. [18:05] adaptr: my bad [18:05] well tis either that or my computer locks up on startx after starting cluxbox and setting background :( [18:05] will be faster than on the cpu however [18:06] NaCl: xD [18:06] i wasn't aware there's a slackware-specific glib2 package [18:06] fluxbox* [18:07] distrust: yah its in l/ [18:07] vldmr (1000@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:07] i'll try isntlaling it in console i think the onyl time its gottne through the isntlation w/out making slackware crash si in console :( [18:07] Camarade_Tux: I'm uploading one of the flames I a little while ago, but it is taking forever to upload it. [18:08] NaCl: png? try optipng [18:08] 9600gt is the first of th e9 series that has cuda [18:08] Camarade_Tux: stop suggesting tools I don't have installed. :P [18:08] I have one of those too , but not available :) [18:09] NaCl: :-) [18:09] GooseYArd: thanks! i did a full installation, assumed this would've been installed too (i mean full is full, right... RIGHT?!), but it's not in /var/log/packages or on my system. i'll install it from the dvd, thanks again. [18:09] NaCl: it can really make smaller png files, it's definitely worth it [18:09] ok now vbox-install says this Output from the module build process (the Linux kernel build system) follows: install: cannot stat `vboxdrv.ko': No such file or directory Output from the module build process (the Linux kernel build system) follows: install: cannot stat `vboxnetadp.ko': No such file or directory Starting VirtualBox kernel module ...failed! (modprobe vboxdrv failed. Please use 'dmesg' to find out why) End of the outpu [18:09] Camarade_Tux: wikipedia seems to think cuda starts at the 9600gt, although in the same paragraph it states that all 9 series cards use the same G92 GPU... [18:10] even tho it would seem to contradict itself [18:10] cteg (~heretic@host-091-097-124-168.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [18:10] distrust: there should be a gtk package in there too [18:10] and dmesg tail still doesn't report anything about vbox [18:10] dmesg| tail* [18:10] toastytoast: it sounds like the module isnt getting built [18:10] Camarade_Tux: I am somehow using 75% of my 20 GB / [18:10] yeah but that gtk is older than the one i need to use for linphone [18:11] adaptr: my 8600M GS has cuda afaik [18:11] it seems so and i've checked the md5sum from the site vs the md5sum of the dowloaded installer they check out [18:11] I would check if I had a link to that damn flame thing! [18:12] NaCl: :o forgot to clean /tmp and having a 10GB /var? [18:12] Nope [18:12] alkos333 (~alkos333@68-30-72-16.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:12] Well, there's 1 GB in /tmp [18:12] And another 1GB in openclipart [18:12] Which I am expunging right now [18:13] B4RR13N705 (~B4RR13N70@200-127-98-202.cab.prima.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [18:14] no clue whats going on :( [18:14] avocado (~8f6bb782@gateway/web/freenode/x-yymydjnxqxvlpfrr) left irc: Quit: Page closed [18:16] I'm "trying" to host a website on my Slackware 13 box. I've configured httpd and mysql daemon from pkgtool. Ive created a host at dynDNS. I can succesfully connect to my website at http://127.0.0.1. Bue if i try connecting from my DNS address it just doesnt work. Do i have to configure something to be able to connect with my DNS host? [18:16] its making me a bit agitated and i'm sorry if ti seems i'm taking it out on you guys [18:17] it mgiht take a little while for the dns to update [18:17] might* [18:17] before it actualy starts working i think when is et up my dns it took about an hour or so for it to intially start working [18:17] toastytoast, pinging my DNS address works thought [18:18] are you behind a router? [18:18] bradhex (~chris@c-98-193-248-168.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:18] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [18:18] codexveritas (codexverit@gateway/shell/sign.io/x-kqcpyiytesfcdqtg) joined ##slackware. [18:18] if so amke sure you port forward port 80 to your internal ip [18:18] B4RR13N705: you cannot connect to an external IP from inside a home network. put the hostname in your hosts file and point to the local IP [18:18] linux is for dumb bitches who ate too many lead paint chips as babies [18:19] ah, welcome [18:19] what purpose did that serve? [18:19] Camarade_Tux: looking at sbopkg. Which one? optipng or pngcrush? [18:20] who knows why trolls do what they do ? [18:20] can anyone explain to me one good reason to use Slackware instead of FreeBSD. Slackware is like FreeBSD's mentally retarded 'kissing cousin' not related genetically [18:20] codexveritas: You again? [18:20] Hello, PufferFish. [18:20] rworkman: ping [18:20] can anyone explain to me one good reason to use Slackware instead of FreeBSD ? Slackware is like FreeBSD's mentally retarded 'kissing cousin' not related genetically [18:20] NaCl: opitpng [18:20] :P [18:20] wait, didn't we already have this troll a few days ago? [18:21] I just installed the new kernel-2.6.32.7-smp via slackware-current, ran lilo, and when I rebooted I received a kernel panic error "unable to mount root fs on unknown block(3,65)". [18:21] Camarade_Tux: Yesterday. [18:21] shit. the slackware glib2 package is TOO OLD, even gtk 2.16 (the earliest i can go with for linphone) depends on a newer version of glib2. now what should i do? stupid .la files! [18:21] distrust: what are you trying to achieve? [18:21] distrust: you can try to build a new one. Be careful, though [18:21] you shoudl use slackware becuase god uses slackware? [18:21] lol [18:22] I avoid updating glib2, gtk, pango, cairo, atk or anything related to this [18:22] also slackware users claim that lack of dependency checking is a feature not a lack of a necessary one for a system. [18:22] distrust: Only time I did that was to use polkit in a VM. [18:22] problem with this line of thinking is it becomes mentally retarded after installing about your regular 20th package [18:22] alienBOB: Ping [18:23] or try installing a package like Calibre ebook reader management system -- it can be done but it is a major pain in the ass [18:23] linphone, an SIP client, relies on gtk 2.16 or later, slackware 13 only comes with 2.14. [18:23] lack of dependency checking is mentally retarded [18:23] you should feel right at home, then [18:23] codexveritas: No, it's mentally stimulating. You have to check your own dependencies. [18:23] actually ou're Right you shouldn't install slackware isntead you should come into a slackware irc channel and complaina bout why you shouldn't d(^.^)b [18:23] codexveritas: the issue is that there's no fool proof way of checking for dependencies [18:24] and waste boht yours and ours valuble time [18:24] i switched to slackware because i realized with gentoo my system would get more and more broken the more i'd use it and update stuff [18:24] Camarade_Tux: it's still taking a while. It's still 3 MB. [18:24] Unless... [18:24] at first, yeah, it was great at handling deps, but over time it... well... rots. [18:24] i switched to salckware becasue ubuntu broke it self [18:24] distrust: http://topquark.roadkill.com/~bailey9/slackbuild/experimental/glib2/ [18:24] debain broke it self [18:24] codexveritas: jerkoff jaunty is pretty good [18:25] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.25) joined ##slackware. [18:25] and i got bored of Arch [18:25] distrust with BSDs package system I can control what depedencies get met and what features of the source code get installed by editing files such as Makefil in the ports directory [18:25] NaCl: yeah, they'll always be big but 10% of 3MB is already nice ;-) [18:25] well hooray for BSD [18:25] distrust face it : BSD is superior to Linux [18:25] this is a linux distro IRC channel [18:25] hey flufferdick, welcome back [18:25] distrust: don't feed the trolls [18:25] Ive never had any problems with my Slackware Box. It runs amazingly stable [18:25] do you eman Unix is superior [18:25] NaCl: what I've done is upload 1280x800 jpg files too, they're good for previews :-) [18:25] *Makefile rather not *Makefil [18:25] seeing how bsd is a flavor of unix it is not its own os [18:25] can someone please get rid o codecveritas he is no helping here [18:26] PufferFish has come back [18:26] another exciting evening in mom's basement [18:26] yeah i just realized what he's really here for, ignort [18:26] xsamurai I'd rather die than run Ubuntu [18:26] bradhex (~chris@c-98-193-248-168.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:26] codexveritas: please do [18:26] $make pufferfish [18:26] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:26] i would ignore him but that would ruin all my fun d(^.^)b [18:26] codexveritas: Fort he record, I have never seen anyone change their mind about anything because of trolling. You're wasting your time. [18:26] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.wpbhfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:26] he's taking up valuable backbuffer space. [18:27] he has aspergers and can't help himself [18:27] xsamurai NetBSD pkgsrc + slackware is a good idea that is wy blackmouse linux and draco linux exist. Slackware by itself is a bad idea. All Linux distros suck anyway so it doesn't matter [18:27] anywho, GooseYArd i'll check that link out, ty [18:27] Action: toastytoast wonders how trolls even exist with so much other/better things to do in the world [18:27] i run bsd and i dont go around bitching like you do , each serves their own purpose you sir are a disgrace to bsd users [18:27] distrust: that should do it, I needed a newer glib2 for something so i rolled that one, I've been using it for several months [18:28] Camarade_Tux: http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=86514 [18:28] toastytoast: don't try to imagine what their life must be like [18:28] codexveritas: im sorry you bore me, i rather watch jkwood dance naked in front of his computer [18:28] i doubt he even uses bsd [18:28] codexveritas, Use whatever you want. Ive used FreeBSD for a while and i think its great. And Linux is great too. They are both UNIX-based OS's [18:28] the monet one OS claims to be better that another one, is the pint one has to recoginze he is retarded [18:28] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:28] xsamurai: he's bitter because he'll never give to sniff theo de raadts cornhole [18:28] NaCl: nice one, I never had any like that [18:28] Darn my insecure webcam with built-in webserver! [18:28] GooseYArd: now thats a prick i rather not run into [18:29] B4RR13N70 I personally run OpenBSD but have used FreeBSD before and I see no good reason to use Slackware instead of FreeBSD personally. [18:29] Camarade_Tux: they're unique. :P [18:29] good for you [18:29] NaCl: heheh :P [18:29] codexveritas has plenty of time to irc because he isn't able to write code [18:29] now go play with a toaster [18:29] B4RR13N705: I've run slackware too [18:29] codexveritas: Seriously, fuck off. [18:29] Like snowflakes. :P [18:29] ... and i really need a new keyboard [18:29] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@gateway/shell/sign.io/*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [18:29] codexveritas kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: requested [18:29] ok, time to go to bed, I'm really dead now =) [18:29] thanks [18:29] ahah [18:29] it was more fun yesterdya [18:29] thank you [18:30] my friend was running freebsd for a while [18:30] I'm probably going to run solaris in a VM [18:30] he liked it but after a while he went back to slackware [18:30] opensolaris [18:30] NaCl: why do that to yourself [18:30] cuz he like slackware better [18:30] Antiqua (~phiezer@pD9E30C85.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:30] spikyfish (~puffy@user-160uvsc.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [18:30] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!puff*@*sc.cable.mindspring.com' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [18:30] spikyfish kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Rude, trolling, we don't like you [18:31] aside from zfs , opensolaris can suck it [18:31] its a pain in the ass to do anything on it [18:31] isn't someone working zfs support for linuxor does linux already have zfs support? [18:31] NaCl: pong (was it just the troll?) [18:31] brtfs or something [18:31] rworkman: yeah, it was [18:31] cant wait [18:31] k :) [18:32] his meds must wear off around 6pm est [18:32] He should go play chicken with a train. [18:32] hey i do that every day [18:32] reall good quality fn that is d(^.^)b [18:32] fun* [18:33] rworkman: i doubt it, the train is not running bsd , he'll do it with a toaster though [18:33] i think he's retarded [18:33] i think all trolls are retarded [18:33] Maybe he'll put his cocknballs in a toaster; that will prevent passing along of the faulty genes. [18:33] GooseYArd: Ok. What unix should I try, then? [18:33] hah my daughter is sctreaming about super monkey ball [18:34] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [18:34] NaCl: ah well if its to try, everything [18:34] i definitely tried everything [18:34] i mena fi you want to cracka joke everynow and then about one OS or another fine but joining forums/chats jsut to tell the users how crappy ssomthign theya re using is is a big waste of time [18:34] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-140-98-216.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [18:34] i was mostly busting your balls [18:34] Very well. [18:34] :) [18:34] i apologize [18:35] linux + zfs +pf - hal = heaven [18:35] i think my favorite unix other than linux was nextstep [18:35] Where is that "It works!" file that gets showed when you configure httpd? [18:36] B4RR13N705: check for DocumentRoot in httpd.conf [18:36] /var/www/htdocs/ [18:36] ' /var/www' should be default [18:36] I tink [18:36] GooseYArd: do i need to do anything with the .sh file on that page, or just run the slackbuild? [18:37] grep DocumentRoot httpd.conf [18:37] its /var/www/htdocs [18:37] yah just run the slackbuild and it'll tell you where it drops the binary tarball [18:38] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:39] NaCl: i think the coolest operating system around right now is microsoft singularity [18:39] although its not very exciting unless you're coding for it [18:40] the coolest one is hurd since most computer with it are off =) [18:40] brb [18:40] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:40] but it is incredible [18:43] then, bell labs Inferno [18:44] is that more closely aligned with Disco Inferno? Or Dante's? [18:44] hm [18:44] thats a difficult question [18:45] OffPlanet (~meler@69.106.185.129) joined ##slackware. [18:45] Towering Inferno, that's also ancient [18:45] Ah yes, forgot about Towering [18:46] lmfao. I just got this as a fortune: Prunes give you a run for your money. [18:46] ahaha [18:46] did you hear the one about the constipated mathematician? [18:46] "You do not have mail." [18:46] he worked it out with a pencil [18:46] ouch [18:46] Action: GooseYArd boos himself [18:47] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [18:47] GooseYArd: did you see today's xkcd? [18:47] http://xkcd.com/705/ [18:47] so, I wanna check something real quick. brb [18:48] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: brb [18:48] er, Monday's, actually, I think [18:48] ahah [18:49] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:49] the tautology club one? [18:49] that one is priceless [18:49] must've just been a fluke then.. yesterday, after installing slack 13 and upgrading to -current, kdm wouldn't restart upon logout, I'd have to init 3 && init 4 to get it to restart.. but it starts now. so.. mkay [18:50] The first rule of Tautology club is the first rule of Tautology club. [18:50] if a million people join this group, it will have a million people in it [18:50] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:50] lol [18:50] the first rule is the first rule [18:50] good rule [18:51] i assume the second rule is the second rule? [18:51] xkcd doesn't run that long [18:52] Yeah, I had fun trying to explain the tautology one to my students :) [18:52] nessundorma_ (~mike@78.134.116.148) joined ##slackware. [18:52] how old are they [18:53] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.115.201) left irc: Disconnected by services [18:53] Nick change: nessundorma_ -> nessundorma [18:55] rworkman: you...teach? [18:55] GooseYArd: mostly 10th grade [18:55] straterra: for 11 years now [18:55] ah a magic age [18:55] benagain (1000@essen.physics.ucsb.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:55] 10th grade? [18:55] yep [18:55] Thats the grade that girls turn in to bitches and whores, crushing dreams and getting pregnant [18:56] Some do. [18:56] Others use protection. [18:56] thats when i discovered led zeppelin and hung out in my room in headphones all day [18:56] Well..my theory is..if they can't deal with a kid, they shouldn't do it at all [18:57] "girls turn in to bitches and whores, crushing dreams and getting pregnant". LOL [18:57] That's when I failed classes and learned about computer stuff that I still used..barely passed highschool but i wouldn't do it differently if I could [18:57] straterra, how old are you? [18:57] acidtripper (~gonza@190.193.18.19) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:57] Old enough :P [18:58] :) [18:59] Hey sorry to interrupt... I was installing texlive, but then I saw I was going to fill up my root partition, so I canceled the process in the middle. How can I remove all these files? Maybe use explodepkg somehow? [18:59] explodecomputer! [19:00] adaptr, that's what I'm hoping to avoid! [19:02] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:03] man i can't believe i get excited when a new episode of phineas and ferb comes out [19:04] goarilla (~goarilla@190.175-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [19:05] ok pretty much everything was going into /usr/share/tex* so I just removed those directories... good enough for me [19:08] xover (~xover@host86-150-128-26.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:10] benagain: that ones a whopper [19:11] correcaminos (~luis.agui@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [19:13] nessundorma_ (~mike@78.134.107.94) joined ##slackware. [19:14] nessundorma_ (~mike@78.134.107.94) left irc: Client Quit [19:15] B4RR13N705 (~B4RR13N70@200-127-98-202.cab.prima.net.ar) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:16] IceChant (~icechant@109.160.189.124) joined ##slackware. [19:17] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.116.148) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [19:17] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:17] man the mesa guys are on fire today [19:18] why? [19:19] humongous patches went into git today [19:19] cool [19:19] oh? *rushes off to checkout* [19:20] bunch of old drivers got the axe [19:20] ah [19:20] i965 went int [19:20] nm then [19:20] delt0r (~delt0r@62-47-151-144.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:21] i havent seen this much progress happening in linux graphics in, well ever [19:22] hyke (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:23] ATI stepped up there game. [19:24] ElectRo` (~d831dc13@gateway/web/freenode/x-rvlsvngbeaotcqzf) joined ##slackware. [19:25] I read "ATI sucks" all over the internet [19:26] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:27] Well... They do xD [19:27] i don't think so. Even though the Radeon HD 3200 is the first card I used that required actual binary drivers for 3d rendering [19:27] cteg (~heretic@host-091-097-124-168.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [19:27] Axtroz: why? [19:28] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:28] once there are gallium drivers the binary drivers will be obsolete [19:28] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [19:28] Cann0n, I hate ATI for a few reasons... Troubling drivers on Windows and broken drivers on Linux.... [19:29] Axtroz: what cards? I've used 7 different ones, never had a problem... other than this one, which i needed binaries, which work very nicely [19:29] I still remember that article on Linux.com where ATI promised opensource drivers [19:29] that was back 2007... [19:30] eh, what's wrong with the binaries? [19:30] http://handy-eshop.com/Amilo-Pa-3553-eclipse-black-id2028.html [19:31] Slack 13 + This laptop [19:31] and ATI's fglrx [19:31] = broken 3D [19:31] what ati card? [19:31] i'm on dial up. this pagfe is taking forever [19:31] ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 3470 [19:31] benagain (1000@essen.physics.ucsb.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:32] Maybe i've just been lucky to get only ATI cards that work [19:32] tried a similar model with ATI Radeon™ HD 3200 [19:32] I don't read russian... that link was pointless [19:32] no wonder it didn't work [19:32] its bulgarian but no matter [19:33] Axtroz: i'm on a ATI Modility Radeon HD 3200 right now... [19:33] perhaps you should give some advice how you've managed to get everything working [19:33] i did... [19:33] Use binary drivers. [19:34] we did... [19:34] it was two commands [19:34] and got a broken 3D [19:34] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-59-139.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [19:34] installed the driver, ran aticonfig [19:34] ditto [19:34] and when we 'startx' into KDE, it crashed and froze the laptop [19:34] go figure... [19:35] I dont really care to be honest... Its not my laptop and that guy was too anxious to get his PC working [19:35] so he got windows xD [19:35] that's terrible. [19:35] Well I got some minor ATI experience over the years [19:36] Cant really say I found a trouble-free ATI card on linux [19:36] bleh [19:36] I use my hd4650, and the opensource driver [19:36] though slack 13 was running awesome on a laptop thrown away from the second floor into a puddle [19:36] 3D is great on it [19:37] even had 3D effects with the stock install on that radeon 9200 [19:37] dont know... I never used ATI myself so I cant compare [19:37] break19, how good is your 3D? [19:38] I've used both ati and nvidia.. nvidia's binary driver is ten times better than ati's binary driver.. and the inverse is trye [19:38] true* [19:38] We're talking about ppl who cant live without games... (At least I am talking about it) [19:38] This guy is willing to take on Linux [19:38] If he gets at least 2 or 3 games working on it [19:39] http://pastebin.org/97511 [19:39] Nexuiz runs GREAT [19:39] i can crank it up to the 2nd highest effects [19:39] How 'bout WoW ? :D [19:40] I would install tuxcart, supertux, nexuiz and other games.. [19:40] i'm imagine no problem. I don't play WoW. it sucks. [19:40] I wouldnt bother trying wow on ati. period [19:40] break19, Why's that/ [19:40] either in windows or linux [19:40] WoW ruins peoples social lives [19:40] ..because... ? [19:40] My buddy played wow on a Rage 128 [19:40] Cann0n, that depends on the person [19:41] psvasti (~psvasti@76.177.193.111) joined ##slackware. [19:41] didn't seem to have any issues graphics rendering-wise [19:41] Axtroz: I had constant lockups in linux, playing wow on this hd4650.. so I installed windows and the latest catalyst driver.. same thing happened. [19:41] a windows user braging about games posts jpgs, a linux user bragging about same posts a pastbin of the output lol [19:41] GooseYArd: that glib2 package you linked me to worked great, thanks [19:41] ah good [19:41] I have better performance gaming on my nvidia card under Linux than Windows. [19:41] tank-man: lol. that made me feel warm and fuzzy on the inside [19:41] jkwood, me too ! :) [19:41] ivan8013 (~ivan8013_@26.77.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [19:42] Doesn't amtter if we're talking Quake 3, Nexuiz, WoW under Wine... it's a great feeling. [19:42] yeah [19:42] Savage 2 runs like hell [19:42] Almost flying with the native Linux client [19:42] I've used mostly Rage and Radeon cards [19:42] Axtroz: turned out that version, and the next one were bugged. badly.. and it took ati for-fuckin-ever to admit it and get it fixed.. wow would play fine in xp or vista, using the default windows driver.. but if I installed catalyst it started having random lockups. [19:43] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.83.243) left irc: Quit: I'll be back... [19:43] break19: what version of catalyst? [19:43] I -refuse- to use fglrx or catalyst now.. for that reason only.. and the opensource driver doesnt quite run wow on wine well. [19:44] A while ago when slack 12.2 just got out a friend of mine installed it [19:44] Cann0n: 9.7 thru 9.9 [19:44] everything was awesome except the 10 FPS in WoW on his X1600 which turn out to be at least 50 FPS on winXP [19:44] 9.9 worked a BIT better than 9.7 and 9.8, but it still wasnt good.. [19:45] and then he started trying to install fglrx [19:45] that was the point I said F it. [19:45] and got so mad that he installed win back on... [19:46] mohaa (~nome@92.49.78.161) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:46] ivan8013 (~ivan8013_@26.77.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [19:47] http://www.linux.com/archive/feed/119049 [19:47] qwebirc11785 (~298d121f@gateway/web/freenode/x-migzkcdzjyyqfrqy) joined ##slackware. [19:47] ATI Radeon drivers to be open sourced -> September 06, 2007 [19:47] nice job opensourcing them xD [19:49] still doing better than nvidia at releasing the source :) [19:50] nvidia never announced any intentions to [19:50] exactly [19:50] I'll be satisfied as long as they continue releasing the drivers. [19:50] so no, they're doing a lot worse [19:51] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: reboot [19:56] break19: i'm on 10.094 [19:57] wait sorry wrong version [19:57] is there a way to install an additionally gcc-4.3 on -current? [19:57] 10.2 [19:58] i read that 10.x Catalyst made many great improvements. [19:59] though, i went ahead and compiled a 2.6.32.8 kernel [20:00] brb, ima test out multi-monitor-s [20:00] Cann0n: I'm running 2.6.33 vanilla, mesa/libdrm/xf86-video-ati from git. kernel mode setting working, as is 3D :) [20:01] yeah, mesa-experimental/ gave me 3d [20:01] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. 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[20:15] Hurray for X & automatic configuration! :) [20:15] something you don't get to see in ##slackware every day :) [20:16] Just switched my monitor from a 17" 4:3 to a new 23" 16:9 and just starting X again it automatically configured everything :D [20:17] It actually surprised me, never changed a monitor before without some heavy editing of xorg.conf :) [20:17] good it works for some atleast [20:17] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:17] i use the new X on ubuntu.. and it works .. shit [20:17] Ah, the old days of Slackware 3.x were a lot of fun!!! :D [20:17] i get a blank screen. [20:18] yay [20:18] f*k X [20:18] C00re: really? Uhm, I use a cheap on-board intel video adapter, nothing like nvidea etc... [20:18] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [20:18] C00re: quit using ati :) [20:18] no, nvidia driver fucked it all up [20:18] all that works is failsafe [20:19] C00re: no need to curse [20:19] awesome-ness. I'm so proud of ati's new catalyst [20:19] I bought the monitor because it is also a TV :) FullHD 1920x1080 [20:19] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:19] niels_horn: indeed, new x is nice. we have multiple workstations with dual monitors, and it just works [20:19] That's what I thought [20:19] It just works :) [20:19] ATI isn't that bad... SiS is MUCH worst [20:20] SiS is bad news... :( Had problems with it as well. But I'm also not very fond of ATI, but my last experience was with some RADEON 9200 [20:21] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:23] u guys get this every time someone tries to chat with you on friendster gxine pops up? [20:23] facebook i mean [20:23] if it contains *video MIME links, and you have gxine set to play them [20:24] sortremord (~martin@189.73.164.80) joined ##slackware. [20:24] ohh yeah. when i facebook with my hipster friends, then like i myspace them, and like geee, omg lol. bbq. [20:24] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:24] tssk [20:24] now hell can officially freeze over. i used 'lol' for the first time in 15 years [20:24] however much I agree, it's a reality and it won't go away, you know ;) [20:25] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [20:25] ohh, i know. it's interesting, seeing those fads go by, only from an observer point of view [20:26] OffPlanet (~meler@69.106.185.129) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:27] OffPlanet (~meler@69.106.185.129) joined ##slackware. [20:27] adaptr, thanks lolz [20:28] ewwww [20:28] Action: adaptr hides behind ananke [20:28] 'z' adds character [20:28] you know, like something is just blah, but then you add z, and omg - it's like extreme now [20:28] ananke: I tell you, I'd rather see "lol" than "lawl" <- THAT irritates me. [20:29] i think i just open a can of worm :) [20:29] I was, liek zomg! lolcats! [20:29] I don't *mind* leetspeek, I just dislike contentless statements [20:29] break19: ahh, now that is annoying. phonetic bastardization of acronyms [20:30] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@gateway/shell/sign.io/* expired. [20:30] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@gateway/shell/sign.io/*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [20:30] ananke: first time I saw it used I went into a "net rage" I think the poor kid will have nightmares for the next 15 years. [20:31] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!puff*@*sc.cable.mindspring.com expired. [20:31] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!puff*@*sc.cable.mindspring.com' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [20:32] night ppl :) [20:32] Anyone else ever have problems rendering .pcf bitmap fonts in GTK2 apps properly? [20:32] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:32] the sad thing is that while leetspeek/txtspeek can be used as a substitute for normal writing, some kids these days do NOT know how to write otherwise [20:32] Mine don't render at all, or render all god awful messed up at best [20:33] |slackin| (~slackin@32.135.253.220) joined ##slackware. [20:33] functionoverform (~mranderso@adsl-70-131-115-212.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] hey, is there a way to manually set the time in kde 4? [20:33] <|slackin|> so, anything working with slackware 13+2.6.33+NVIDIA driver? [20:34] <|slackin|> common, i know someone had to have fixed it by now [20:34] <|slackin|> its been like a whole day [20:34] functionoverform: sure, open Konsole, then type 'man date' and follow the instructions :) [20:34] lol, so obvious, thanks dude [20:35] You can also do it within system-settings :p [20:37] Nick change: MsM -> I [20:38] Nick change: I -> I-hate-Egypt [20:38] |slackin| (~slackin@32.135.253.220) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:39] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [20:39] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [20:39] epoch kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Seeya, trooooollll. Actions have consequences. Adults understand that. [20:39] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:42] hey [20:42] hi [20:42] I have Slackware 12.1 running here and an old ATi Radeon 9600 Pro [20:42] sweet we just talking about ati [20:42] the official 'fglrx' driver is installed and running [20:42] hi Cann0n :) [20:42] but no 3d? [20:43] exactly [20:43] glxgears FPS = 350 [20:43] generally [20:43] if you're using a 9600 radeon, you should be using the free driver.. it fully supports your card, and has, for a long while [20:43] you mean 'radeon'? [20:43] yea [20:43] yeah, i'm not sure about the 9600 pro, but the 9100 didn't have issues with radeon driver [20:44] I have been using Fedora for a long time [20:44] fedora makes it even easier [20:44] but I came to Slackware because I wanted to do more by myself [20:44] but the strange is [20:44] oh [20:44] 12.1 has the 2.6.24.5 kernel by default [20:44] and it is able to correctly install fglrx [20:44] try upgrading the kernel/ [20:44] F11 and F12 are not [20:45] since the catalyst 9.3 won't install on newer kernels [20:45] because 10.2 is out [20:45] what do you mean? [20:45] sorry, I did not get that [20:45] catalyst 10.2 [20:45] yeah, but it does not support my GPU [20:46] hmm [20:46] it is for newer models [20:46] pastebin your xorg [20:46] ATi declared they have dropped support for "legacy cards" [20:46] which is why you shouldnt be using the blob/binary driver.. you should be using "radeon" [20:46] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:46] radeon should work. it works like a champ for 9100 [20:46] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:47] it's probably just a xorg.conf issue. [20:47] it will work. it's a r300-based card [20:47] but I could still get everything working with fglrx in Fedora 8 or Linux Mint 5/Ubuntu 8.04 and Debian 5.0.1 [20:47] it installs in Slackware 12.1 but does not work properly [20:47] because they do thinks atuomagically. we dont [20:47] the 'radeon' driver in F11 and F12 did not work as the 'fglrx' in Fedora 8 [20:48] it did not work perfectly for my GPU [20:48] sortremord: forget fglrx exists. if you want to use newer stuff, you simply cannot use fglrx unless you have a supported card. which you do not [20:48] this is slackware, not fedora. pastebin your xorg.conf for me [20:48] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [20:48] as well as /var/log/Xorg.0.log [20:49] http://fpaste.org/8Ac3/ [20:49] xorg.conf [20:49] i see the problem [20:50] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:50] http://fpaste.org/oQmH/ [20:50] log [20:50] you need Driver = "radeon" [20:50] okay, I will set the driver to radeon [20:51] better yet: rename xorg.conf to xorg.conf.old [20:51] let X do it itself. [20:51] yap, done that [20:51] okay [20:51] then you need dri, glx, and dbe [20:51] in molduse [20:51] modules [20:51] yeah, let X do it. [20:52] Cann0n: 2nd pastie... lines 38-43 [20:52] okay, I will exit X and start it again, brb [20:53] may also need to blacklist fglrx [20:53] 194 - 203 [20:53] how do I blacklist it? [20:53] I forgot how to do it [20:53] I can uninstall fglrx [20:53] do that then [20:53] /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh [20:54] in server flags, add [20:54] you will also need to reboot, to ensure the kernel module isnt loaded.. easier than rmmod'ing it [20:54] Option "AIGLX" "on" [20:54] mkay [20:54] cteg (~heretic@host-091-097-124-168.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [20:55] In the graphics card device, add Option "RenderAccel" "on" [20:55] I-hate-Egypt (~298d121f@gateway/web/freenode/x-migzkcdzjyyqfrqy) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:55] then add Section "DRI" mode 0666 EndSection [20:55] there are online guides to help you better [20:56] okay [20:56] I will reboot and come back here [20:56] and add the things you told me to [20:56] brb [20:56] i could paste my 9100's xorg.conf [20:56] thanks for the help [20:56] yeah [20:56] that would be helpful [20:56] can you do that? [20:56] test break19's suggestions [20:56] okay [20:56] i'll do it. [20:56] I will reboot now and see how it goes [20:56] brb [20:56] sortremord (~martin@189.73.164.80) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:56] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:57] I-hate-Egypt (~29fb5d82@gateway/web/freenode/x-okauredooplgjubv) joined ##slackware. [20:57] argh. i gotta boot my other laptop [21:00] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:00] butterball (~62e7bfe7@gateway/web/freenode/x-ctqqwdpcjcunvbtf) joined ##slackware. [21:00] sortremord (~martin@189.73.164.80) joined ##slackware. [21:00] Hello, How do I mount a windows hd? [21:01] back [21:01] http://slackwiki.org/Windows_Partitions [21:01] rworkman: ty [21:01] FPS is around 1400 now [21:01] but I can not open an app I was tried to [21:01] I tried to* [21:02] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.29.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:02] sortremord: hold on. i'm on dial up and had to boot my other laptop [21:03] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.47.107) joined ##slackware. [21:03] no worries, thanks for the help [21:04] http://slackadelic.pastebin.com/iAHAUDKQ [21:04] don't just use that xorg. it's set up for my old laptop with 100dpi fonts and synaptics mouse [21:05] i couldn't get my LCD do to work on my old laptop, and it's the only way i can see because of the busted LCD (victim of anger) [21:05] okay [21:06] did you set it up manually/ [21:06] ? [21:06] yeah [21:06] looks great [21:06] :P [21:06] thanks. it's also set up for dvorak keymap [21:07] brb, i'm worried i fried my 21" LCD screen :X [21:08] the laptop got angry you were running vista the broke itself? [21:08] XGizzmo: it had power supply issues, like the vibrations of typing would make it die without warning (not shutdown) [21:09] 7 times in one morning while all i was doing was checking my emails... without a cigarette or coffee from an all nighter [21:09] i was pissed because it went into fsck on the 5th time [21:10] so that delayed it even longer. I could have fixed it, but it was better just to get a newer laptop. Very happy with it if I might add [21:10] brb [21:10] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:10] PathagenX (~PathagenX@125-238-63-199.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred! [21:13] is there anything I can use for making an xorg.conf automatically? [21:13] I renamed the fglrx one and uninstalled it [21:13] the fglrx driver [21:13] but I have no standard for making a new one [21:13] sortremord, xorgconfig / xorgsetup [21:13] is there a good player for video streaming? [21:14] vlc seem to suck [21:14] crashdata, xine, mplayer, both come with slackware [21:14] (and gxine) [21:14] butterball (~62e7bfe7@gateway/web/freenode/x-ctqqwdpcjcunvbtf) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:14] doesnt handle streaming well either [21:15] (or is it a video stream that isn't standards-compliant?) [21:15] it is..ijust need it to have a good buffer [21:15] sortremord (~martin@189.73.164.80) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:15] butterball (~62e7bfe7@gateway/web/freenode/x-mancsuhunzsomdal) joined ##slackware. [21:16] vlc is a bit better than those u mentioned [21:16] is it not playing it or not buffering enough (because the network sucks)? [21:16] not buffering enough [21:16] yah the host is not that good [21:16] i need a player that buffers well... [21:17] then the player won't matter at that point [21:17] increase the buffer! [21:17] i have.. [21:17] max it out [21:17] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [21:17] say must buffer 99% before playing [21:17] and have fun waiting lol [21:17] lolz.... [21:17] what game? [21:17] well online divx player handles it well [21:18] but its laggy watching it over my virtual box [21:18] lol, i'm foolish. my lcd didn't work because the dog tripped the input cable out of it [21:18] online player? what, you mean like flash or something? [21:18] Camarade_Tux, movie... [21:18] no divx online player [21:18] i have yet tested movies on this machine [21:18] mercfate (1000@201-75-117-178-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:18] hi [21:19] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] hi [21:19] hi [21:20] i always stream movies :) [21:20] wish i could... [21:21] y cant u? [21:21] dial-up [21:21] ur still on dial up? [21:21] sortremord (~martin@189.73.164.80) joined ##slackware. [21:21] it's quicker to drive to the movie rental place 20 miles away than it is to DL a 10 minute youtube video [21:22] :) [21:22] Cann0n, are you there? [21:22] lol yepi i actually like it. it's very tough to ban me from irc chans [21:22] sortremord: yep [21:22] u got slack to worth with ur modem? [21:22] yep. it was no problem [21:22] i use wvdial [21:22] external modeM? [21:22] yeah [21:22] ttyACM0 [21:22] no wonder :) [21:23] still thats awesome :) [21:23] this laptop doesnt have internal. my last laptop had a winmodem [21:23] wow i just got a 8 second ping reply from you [21:23] mercfate (1000@201-75-117-178-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [21:23] correcaminos (~luis.agui@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:23] nooper: that's a good one. sometimes it takes up to 30 seconds to sync an irc chan [21:23] sortremord: whats up? did it work? [21:23] Cann0n: where you located? [21:23] I will paste my new xorg.conf, okay? [21:24] i cant believe ur still running dialup.... [21:24] sortremord: please do [21:24] GooseYArd: North Florida, next to all the farm lands [21:24] kudos to have patience [21:24] oh cool [21:24] I-hate-Egypt (29fb5d82@gateway/web/freenode/x-okauredooplgjubv) left ##slackware. [21:25] Cann0n: what part of north florida? [21:25] Clay County [21:25] gimme a nearest city name. I dunno counties [21:25] like, near jax, or pcola? [21:25] Jacksonville [21:25] ah [21:25] i spent some time out west of jax [21:25] macleheney or however its spelled [21:25] i'm SW from JAX about 60 miles [21:26] i was at tampa few years back :) [21:26] tampa is poppin [21:26] yea, if you get outside the city limits over there, you're SOL if you want anything other than power and telephone. lol [21:26] lots of porn is filmed there, but that convo belongs in -offtopic lol [21:26] lolz [21:26] really? [21:26] lol oh yeah [21:26] did not know that when i was there :) [21:26] Hello, I'm having a problem mounting 2 hd's I've put into my system http://pastebin.com/xeDsVjjr [21:26] beaches were nice though :) [21:27] for gulf coast, i agree [21:27] good fishing [21:27] http://fpaste.org/kPIF/ [21:27] butterball, it wants to use ext3 but it can't find the module or filesystem in kernel apparently [21:27] dauphin island,al <- best beaches/fishing combination anywhere within a hundred miles of me. :) [21:27] butterball, is this a system using an initrd? [21:28] it looks like maybe some slashes are missing too [21:28] check your /etc/fstab [21:28] break19: nearest fishing here is the swap 100 yards away from our fence or the old bomb testing creaters left over from the near army training camp [21:29] sortremord: honestly, unless you're using something extremely off-the-wall, you're better off not using an xorg.conf file at all, but rather let the X server do it's job and figure it out for you. [21:29] Cann0n: lol [21:29] Delahunt I hate to say I don't know if initrd is being used [21:29] BojanN (~bojan@tk91-30-wi.ninet.rs) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:29] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [21:29] butterball, slackware 13? full install? [21:29] butterball: it can [21:29] Delahunt newest version of salix [21:30] this is not slackware, but my recommendation is figure it out by mounting the device and checking the /etc/fstab [21:30] break19, I did that, but it still did not work correctly, and the fglrx driver was uninstalled and I rebooted [21:30] Salix != Slackware [21:30] jkwood, yes we know [21:30] jkwood, i hear CaptainObvious is not registered 8-) [21:31] lol [21:31] it's based off of slackware 13, just different packages included [21:31] distrust_ (~distrust@76-10-131-117.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [21:31] break19, so I logged as root without the X running and ran "xorgsetup" and told it to find the device automatically [21:31] break19 this xorg.conf is what it made for me [21:31] Doesn't matter if it's based off Slackware 74. They should provide their own support channel. [21:31] sortremord: and what does it do incorrectly? [21:32] break19, I can not run an app that requires GLX [21:32] jkwood: they do, but there are 6 users in there [21:32] break19 and it runs fine if I use fglrx in other distributions [21:32] sortremord: /var/log/Xorg.0.log [21:32] based off slackware 13 but with different packages [21:33] distrust (~distrust@69-165-157-207.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:33] you mean another linux distro that's unix-like? [21:33] That's their problem. [21:33] sortremord: and are you running the default kernel? or a build-your-own ? [21:33] you do realize that once you recompile slackware what you have is something other than slackware, right? [21:33] Delahunt: i mean, slack 13 with only 500 packages, instead of 3000 [21:33] break19, default, 2.6.24.5 [21:33] break19, the one that comes with Slackware 12.1 [21:34] Kamel (klo_445@c-76-123-106-217.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:34] sortremord: you may need to upgrade your kernel. i've had to before [21:34] ohhh. I thought we were talking recent stuff here. :) [21:34] to get ati working [21:35] slack 13's default system will have you working right out of the box. [21:35] mesa 7.4 has support for the r300, which yours is iirc [21:35] 9600 [21:36] right.. isnt that a r300 ? [21:36] he's using ATI Radeon 9600 Pro [21:36] yap, I think it is R300 [21:36] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:36] i didn't have to do anything to get my 9100 working on slack 12.2 and 13 [21:36] Cann0n, um ... [21:37] RV350 [21:37] but the same thing happens if I am on F12 [21:37] Cann0n: 9100 is r200.. 9500-9800 are r300 based [21:37] using the radeon driver [21:37] I can not get GLX to work [21:37] ah, thanks for clarifying that [21:38] any recent distribution [21:38] sortremord: you can either keep saying that, or you can listen to what I say.. I've been using the opensource driver for quite some time, and have a wee bit of experience with making it work :) [21:38] using the 'radeon' driver gives me the same problem [21:38] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:38] break19, okay, what do I do? [21:38] its not the radeon driver. 3d is NOT provided by the driver. it is provided by MESA [21:39] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [21:39] and you need a current mesa, plus current libdrm [21:39] break19, I have recompiled libdrm yesterday [21:39] Kamel (~1@c-76-123-106-217.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] what you -should- have done is upgraded to slack 13, it supports your r300 out of the box. [21:40] nothing else needed [21:40] lol [21:40] aint that a biatch? [21:40] distrust_ (~distrust@76-10-131-117.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:40] you don't need to be rude [21:40] I was trying to clarify the situation, Cann0n noticed that [21:40] i'm only joking. i've had bad luck upgrading [21:40] you call it rude. I call it "right to the point" [21:40] butterball (~62e7bfe7@gateway/web/freenode/x-mancsuhunzsomdal) left irc: Quit: Page closed [21:41] right to the point in a stupid way [21:41] try just upgrading the kernel first, if you don't want a full upgrade [21:41] yeah [21:41] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:41] distrust (~distrust@76-10-134-142.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [21:42] how do I update the kernel in Slackware? [21:42] http://slackwiki.org/Kernel26Compilation [21:42] thanks [21:42] it's pretty easy. just make sure you backup the stock and make it bootable within lilo [21:43] and make sure you run lilo before you reboot [21:43] okay [21:43] thank you very much [21:44] no problem. hope it goes smooth. i assume this is your first kernel compilation? [21:44] yeap [21:44] I tried it once but I did not go right [21:44] yeah um [21:44] go ahead and download the source from www.kernel.org [21:45] okay, I went to mesa3d.com yesterday, downloaded MesaLIB-7.6.1 [21:45] you'll want to use the config your current kernel is using [21:45] Compiled it, installed it, but I could not because it needs kernel 2.6.28 [21:45] yeah, that's why i upgraded mine [21:46] I have SlackWare13 here [21:46] trhodes (~tom@184-8-83-138.dr01.atmr.al.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:46] I collect ISOs [21:46] what if I installed it, like break19 said? [21:46] though I really want to compile the kernel by myself, for learning [21:47] use /proc/config.gz as the cofig to use [21:47] okay [21:47] I will cp that [21:48] when compiling. just copy it into the source tree after you untar it [21:48] you gotta untar. i just right click and extract here [21:48] I use tar -xvvzf (...).tar.gz [21:49] that works too [21:49] or cp /boot/config-generic-smp-2.6.29.6-smp /usr/src/linux-2.6.33/.config [21:49] && make oldconfig [21:49] || make menuconfig [21:49] i'm lazy and installed the thunar plugin [21:50] nothing wrong with that [21:50] or that. i've been suggested /proc/config.gz over the /boot/config [21:50] if there is a tool use it [21:50] the point of scripting is to make life easier (hopefully) [21:51] hell, I use "make install" to install my kernels. :p [21:51] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [21:51] yeah, i wrote a scrip that will automatically run all the commands to compile a kernel [21:51] when menuconfig is exited, it's compiles [21:52] but you have to assume that you did everything right and didn't suffer from "@#$ it i want to start over" [21:52] but with my bad spelling habits, i have to check my commands 5 times just to make sure i don't kill my system lol [21:52] especially if dd is involved [21:53] LOL [21:53] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [21:53] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) left irc: Ping timeout: 600 seconds [21:53] yeah dd can be BAD [21:53] yeah, i like to hide dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null in all my scripts [21:53] like when you accidentally wipe out the ACTIVE drive [21:53] lol [21:53] I should have to take a breathalizer before dd works [21:53] Cann0n: I have a gokernel script, all it does is "cd /usr/src/linux && make -j5 && make modules_install && make install' [21:54] USB breathalizer kernel module for linux [21:54] break19: that's about what mind does [21:54] i'll paste it [21:54] s/mind/mine/ [21:54] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [21:54] cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.32.8/ && make menuconfig && make bzImage && make modules && cat arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage > /vmlinuz && cp System.map /boot/System.map && make modules_install && lilo [21:55] mine doesnt do the menuconfig part. I rarely change my configs [21:55] i tweak mine when the mood hit [21:55] i like to little by little go through it and rid the stuff i dont use [21:55] like intel drivers and ports i don't have [21:55] what kernel version do you guys recommend for me to compile? [21:56] sortremord: newest [21:56] 2.6.32.8 [21:56] OffPlanet (~meler@69.106.185.129) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:56] 2.6.33? [21:56] thats out? [21:56] .9 [21:56] thats not the newest anymore, Cann0n :) [21:56] yea [21:56] gee, i checked like 3 days ago lol [21:56] Linux blackbox 2.6.33 #1 SMP Wed Feb 24 22:02:21 CST 2010 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [21:56] nice [21:56] wish i had a dual core [21:56] Linux bonsai 2.6.32.8 #1 SMP Wed Feb 17 19:55:31 EST 2010 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) Processor TF-20 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [21:57] Cann0n: my systems are all colors. :p [21:57] Linux thinkpad 2.6.33 #2 SMP Wed Feb 24 14:52:47 EST 2010 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7250 @ 2.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [21:57] :> [21:57] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [21:57] Linux moria 2.6.32.8-danc #2 SMP PREEMPT Sat Feb 13 18:29:35 CST 2010 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T8100 @ 2.10GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [21:57] eat it jeev [21:58] danc3: wins [21:58] heh [21:58] except I'm not on .33 yet [21:58] Linux localhost 2.6.24.5-smp #2 SMP Wed Apr 30 13:41:38 CDT 2008 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [21:58] boring [21:58] this one is in a black case....... my wife's macbook is white.... guess what it's called. :p [21:58] lol [21:58] "whitebook" [21:59] bonsai... because i'm using the "bonsai os" [21:59] guess thats code word for small [22:00] looks sexy in init4's splash [22:00] I got a server in a gray case... its dead atm.. but, oddly enough, its not called a color.. my htpc is silver case.. "quicksilver" is it's name... but the server is "ichabod" .. it's a headless server.. so. lol [22:00] the bonsai begs to differ [22:00] lol [22:00] that is a joke me and a friend made [22:00] xD [22:00] i name my machines off constellations, http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~dolan/constellations/constellation_list.html [22:01] init[1] (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [22:01] nice [22:01] i know a good amount of them. [22:02] Lucky I have some RedBulls since I am going to compile the kernel [22:02] does it take too long? [22:02] sortremord: how much ram you got? [22:02] not that I mind waiting [22:02] sortremord: depends on the hardware [22:02] 1.5GB DDR 400mhz [22:02] cpu matters more [22:02] P4HT 3.0Ghz [22:02] make -j X [22:02] mquin (~mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [22:02] gavin__ (~gavin@adsl-072-148-118-148.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:03] Linux unmotivated 2.6.32.7 #2 SMP Fri Jan 29 22:53:20 CST 2010 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7500 @ 2.20GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [22:03] my quad core can do it in 7-8 minutes [22:03] agentc0re: whats -j? [22:03] id do a make -j 2 or 3. [22:03] I don't feel the need for the latest kernel. Too much effort. ;) [22:03] took me like 20 minutes for the first time [22:03] functionoverform (~mranderso@adsl-70-131-115-212.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:03] Cann0n: j=job [22:03] 2G DDR, 1.6GHZ [22:04] agentc0re: whats the point in that? does it make it run faster? [22:04] My KDE says desktop effects are enabled but they aren't. ): [22:04] Cann0n: It runs concurrent makes, using multiple cores. [22:04] gavin__: what graphics card? [22:04] ah [22:04] so yea. it can be faster if you have more than 1 core, or hyperthreading. [22:04] i'm on single core, i stil to "make" until my next computer [22:04] have they figured out how to use gpu cores with make yet? [22:04] Cann0n: ATI Radeon HD 3100 [22:05] s/stil/stick [22:05] Cann0n: I install my graphics card already. [22:05] um GPUs are intended for an entirely different purpose [22:05] I use 4 or 5 jobs on my twin core. and I use -j2 on my server (runs athlon 2k) [22:05] gavin__: what driver? [22:05] Cann0n: it will run multiple jobs to get the entire job completed faster. so it can compile the kernel faster if you do a make -j2 rather than just make. i have noticed though that this isn't always the case. [22:05] Delahunt: with tools like cuda gpu cores are used for lots of general purpose things [22:06] i run a make -j5 and just have it aliased. [22:06] agentc0re: break19 thanks for the tip on -j [22:06] ATI Catalyst Display Driver 10.2 [22:07] would it be a good idea to alias my -j 2 or should i test how fast? [22:07] gavin__: did you run aticonfig in root? [22:07] Cann0n: Yes.. [22:07] mattalexx_ (~mattalexx@67.42.63.210) left irc: Quit: Zzzzzzzz... [22:07] vldmr (1000@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [22:07] what kernel are you using? [22:08] Cann0n: I dont alias it, because theres no point to make -jX install :p [22:08] Cann0n: Umm. Whichever one is in v13.0 by default. Didn't take the time to check. [22:08] I just type -jX for anything I compile [22:08] i'm led to believe you are required at least 2.6.32 in order to get mesa to work or something. [22:08] break19: it'll work for anything make does [22:09] GooseYArd: yea, it'll -work- but it's kinda pointless to concurrent some file copies :) [22:09] brokedown, but they're still more useful for graphics than general krap [22:09] gavin__: type /exec -o uname -a in your chat client [22:10] plus, it's a bsd-ism I guess.. make -j4 install on freebsd ports will attempt to build and install concurrently.. which.. wont work, and the build will fail.. so.. on linux, yea, its prolly safe to do it :p [22:10] Cann0n, that "kernel26compilation" link you sent me [22:10] just so you know how to check it for future know-how [22:10] http://slackwiki.org/Kernel26Compilation [22:10] yea [22:10] did it help? [22:10] Prerequisites [22:10] Delahunt: the future of high performance computing lies with gpus, I disagree completely with what you say [22:10] making my older kernel still bootable in LILO [22:10] how do I do that? [22:11] it will help me, but I am confused about LILO [22:11] just rename it [22:11] ok, hold on [22:11] but where? [22:11] I went on /etc/lilo.conf [22:11] yeah [22:11] there is nothing there about image [22:11] the vmlinuz [22:11] brokedown, when you realize that they are are a lot faster at graphics than with compiling let me know please (hence why they are a graphics processor unit: specifically made for graphics) [22:11] gavin__ (gavin@adsl-072-148-118-148.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:12] gavin__ (~gavin@adsl-072-148-118-148.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:12] it's like saying your corvette, made for racing, will beat my hybrid at gas mileage [22:12] Billtoo (~bill@bas4-unionville55-1176203917.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [22:12] Delahunt: you are missinformed, look at cuda [22:12] oh, no worries, I found it [22:12] Cann0n, I found it, there are MANY comments in the default lilo.conf [22:12] Delahunt: I didn't say they use it with compiling yet [22:12] so i copy that and run lilo to update it, right? [22:13] ughhh. [22:13] there is goes. [22:13] it's what we were talking about at the time: compiling kernels [22:13] sortremord: run "cp vmlinuz vmlinuz.old && cp System.map System.map.old" [22:13] check that [22:13] it says there is not such file or directory: Cann0n [22:14] Delahunt: I said gpus were being used for much more than graphic, you said they weren't good for anything but graphics, which is totatlly false [22:14] but you must cd /boot first [22:14] yeah [22:14] i was saying they're a lot faster at graphics [22:14] just add .old after those two [22:14] and still more useful / good at graphics (which is what they are designed for) than general stuff [22:15] so the vmlinuz is the kernel? [22:15] and system.map? [22:15] both of which are exactly what i said [22:15] then in your lilo.conf, duplicate the image=/boot/vmlinuz.old [22:15] I feel like such a n00b [22:15] sortremord: nah, compiling a kernel can be confusing at first [22:15] once you figure it out, it's pretty simple [22:15] Delahunt: they are not only designed for graphics anymore, seriously look at nvidia cuda, these cards have hundreds and even thousands of cores and are being used for high performance computing [22:16] gavin__ (~gavin@adsl-072-148-118-148.sip.shv.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:16] sortremord: want me to pastebin my lilo.conf? [22:17] um, genius [22:17] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [22:17] CUDA has a CPU and a GPU [22:17] Cann0n, no need, thanks, I did a lot of configuring with GRUB [22:17] you use grub? [22:17] Action: Cann0n stays away from grub [22:17] it's not a GPU, hence what i said is still true. a graphics processing unit is optimized and intended for graphics [22:18] for a long time I did, in Fedora [22:18] it is very simple and functional [22:18] running lilo at the end will tell you errors if you got em [22:18] errors in lilo.conf? [22:18] yeah [22:18] like, if it can't find a kernel [22:18] that is great, GRUB does not have that option [22:18] that you pointed it too [22:19] Delahunt: the important part of cuda is the gpus, you really should look at it, it is where computing is heading, no need to call someone namess [22:19] i am looking at it right now [22:19] and i am not calling people names [22:19] i've useb grub a total of maybe 2 months in my life [22:19] how did it go? [22:19] grub is better at some things, and lilo is better at others [22:19] Delahunt: sorry I misunderstood you [22:19] grub rulz [22:19] a gpu is nothing more than microprocessor without alus and having a very high bandwidth memory interface [22:20] you can run anything you want on one [22:20] true but if it's optimized for one thing, it's going to run that one thing faster than all other things (which is still my point) [22:20] GRUB has it's place in the linux world. they point of using linux is to get that finely tuned customization. why not have two major options for the boot loader? [22:20] brokedown: Delahunt loves to argue. [22:20] Cann0n, I totally agree [22:20] you can't expect to get omgspeed from compiling on it (not saying it won't help) [22:20] an x86 cpu is not optimized for C compilers either [22:21] CPUs can optimize for compilers? [22:21] Delahunt: it doesn't work with make yet, but imagine make -j1024 [22:21] farhat (~farhat@41.99.81.57) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:21] a graphics card processor would be poor at executing x86 instructions but you can run gcc on it if you're willing to bootstrap it [22:21] brokedown, i think you're exaggerating [22:21] Delahunt: ok [22:22] sortremord: good thing about GRUB, you don't have to run lilo to make changes. [22:22] so, if you bork up for boot, you can fix it [22:22] andrew_46 (andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left ##slackware. [22:22] Delahunt: look at the number of cores of the nvidia gtx295, that will soon be doubled with the fermie cards [22:22] lilo isn'tn as easy to fix if things go south [22:23] because you gotta run lilo. boot disks i've used make it much harder than just running lilo after modding the .conf. so, GRUB has it's pro's. i'm not against it. [22:23] nice, $500 [22:24] (upgrading from core 2 duo to core 2 quad might be cheaper if you simply wanted faster compile times) [22:24] Cann0n yeah, and you can always back up the old menu.lst and copy the safe kernel lines [22:24] Delahunt: compile time is not the point [22:24] you said imagine make -j1024 [22:24] now you say compile time is not the point [22:24] Delahunt: that will be a reallity soon with gpus [22:24] sortremord: yeah, so make sure you got a back up plan when learning kernel kungfu [22:25] when you get 1024 cores in a GPU let me know 8-) [22:25] my gpu is 500mhz [22:25] and mhz != performance [22:25] (in the sense that just mhz alone is not a good judge of how well it performs at a specific task) [22:25] Cann0n, do you want to see something funny and very off-topic? [22:25] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [22:26] sortremord: take it to ##slackware-offtopic :) [22:26] Delahunt: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150454 1440 cores right now [22:26] the biggest box you can make to try -j1024 with that exists in reality right now would be quad core with two of those meaning 8 cores [22:26] if you want faster compile times you might start by installing ccache [22:26] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:26] escaflown (elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [22:27] Axius (~fd@92.84.5.197) joined ##slackware. [22:27] ok, but those processing units are made for streams not compiles so you can't assume that you'd be able to compile (say) a kernel in one giant parallel punch of compiling [22:28] and CUDA didn't mention stream processing units, it said CUDA units that each have a CPU and GPU [22:28] much less CUDA is from nVidia [22:28] Delahunt: cpu or gpu, they both dont do anything but execute instructions [22:29] fosforo_1 (~fosforo@187.15.14.184) joined ##slackware. [22:29] the "gpu" has a very small instruction set [22:29] besides which, given nvidia and ati's track records, i highly doubt there will be a day when linux can use each one for compiling [22:29] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.47.107) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:29] (especially since that one is ATI, the worst of the two) [22:30] there may come a day, but right now it does not exist [22:30] (i.e. the capability of which you speak) [22:30] thats the purpose of opencl, btw [22:31] i'm not dig on performance [22:31] any device that can support opencl can be used for computation [22:31] it's not everything [22:31] but that still doesn't answer "how fast will it execute what you have asked it to execute" [22:31] it means a lot for scientific research [22:32] yeah, looking at porn and playing nexuiz doesn't require much [22:32] i may have 1024 x 386SX but will compiling a kernel on them be slower or faster? the only way to know is to try it [22:32] and i highly doubt for the price tag that every one of those stream engines is even remotely as good at compiling as an intel atom [22:34] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [22:34] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:34] i stopped liking intel after the BMG did their commercials [22:34] the devices are plenty fast, the reason you wont use one for compiling your kernel is that it would be a gigantic pain in the ass to port gcc to it, then try to rig up a kernel to run on it, and then some method for the two userspaces to communicate [22:34] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-113.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:35] your gpu will probably run a shader language compiler or compile opencl for its own purposes [22:35] the BMG? [22:36] i mean if they're all purely floating point units maybe you'd get a nice compile out of them but they would still have to have lots of work done [22:36] and even then, like i said before, those stream processors have got to be uber-simple for them to afford to stuff so many on a card and yet still sell it to you for $300 and make a nice profit from it [22:37] its fine if theyre simple, its just that the simpler the cpu, the more work the compiler has to do [22:38] hence the longer it takes, no? [22:38] no, the harder it is to port the compiler [22:38] this is kind of like RISC vs CISC back in the day [22:39] a mips or something has a very small instruction set, but it runs the instructions fast to make up for it [22:39] i wouldn't be surprised if they were arranged on a RISC-like system [22:39] and, just like the beta vs vhs, the lesser alternative won the PR battle :/ [22:40] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@p3m/member/epoch expired. [22:40] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:41] the problem with what the guy was saying about gpus [22:42] lets say I've got some files in /usr/src and I've got a graphics card with some ram and some kind of little kernel and a gcc binary [22:42] how in the hell am I going to compile something? [22:42] each core on the ati card I showed you is 765mhz that equals 1075Ghz total [22:42] oobe (~none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:43] the kernel on the gpu will have to have some way of coordinating io through the host kernel [22:43] I'm getting ready to install slackware and keep it as my main system [22:43] Should I go with x64 or x86_32 ? [22:43] you don't add mhz up on SMP systems, it's not like that [22:43] coolkehon, it depends on so much [22:43] GooseYArd: hopefully the software catches up with the hardware sooner than later, it will eventually though [22:43] and it depends on how fast you can keep the bus they are on full [22:43] I plan on using full disk encryption also and my cpu supports x64 [22:44] coolkehon, do you need skype? [22:44] brokedown: its a significant change in architecture though [22:44] Not at the moment [22:44] I might in the distant future. [22:44] coolkehon, are any of the programs you MUST have 32bit-only ? [22:44] Delahunt: you might enjoy rading this paper: [22:44] http://research.microsoft.com/pubs/81154/helios.pdf [22:44] Delahunt: i don't know? [22:44] I'm on 64-bit ubuntu and I have everything I need [22:45] thats an example of an os architecture where bus connected devices like io controllers and graphics cards run a kernel [22:45] the same kernel as the host runs [22:45] coolkehon: :K [22:46] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [22:46] the important problems this new hardware can solve has nothing to do with compiling at this point, but more important scientific endeavors that will benifit humanity much more [22:46] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [22:46] oobe (~none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [22:46] problems? [22:46] brokedown: what about curing obessity? [22:47] what about giving people more self-control? 8-) [22:47] Cann0n: we can only hope [22:47] So would switching to x64 speed up my system and help with the speed of the full disk encryption? [22:47] /o/ [22:47] brokedown: well technically there is some compiling, you need something to compile shader language for your gpu :) [22:47] coolkehon, i would say "yes" [22:47] coolkehon: x86_64 [22:47] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.24.9) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:47] Cann0n: x64 is 64 bit [22:47] x86_64 is 32-bit [22:48] coolkehon: no it'll be a nonstop pain in the ass trying to find x86_64 binaries for things [22:48] O.o [22:48] GooseYArd: like what? [22:48] I'm installing using slackbuilds [22:48] uh x86_64 and x86 per the kernel devs [22:48] Yeah [22:48] (since x86 is 32bit) [22:48] mhm [22:48] Action: Delahunt doesn't think there's an x64 [22:49] yeah... [22:49] mk [22:49] hence my comment. [22:49] ia64 [22:49] that too [22:49] i.e. itanium [22:49] but thats a different instruction set [22:49] but isn't x86_64 64bit? [22:49] yes [22:49] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:50] hence the _64 at the end.. [22:50] thought so. [22:50] anyways, saying that there's a magical $350 graphics card that will let you run make -j 1024 (and it not take a century) (as if that's all you need to take your computer power up by a power of 256) sounds a bit far fetched [22:50] Delahunt: never said that [22:50] break19: it's not often peop.le correct me and i end up being right :) [22:50] you said make -j 1024 [22:50] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [22:51] happens to me all the time, no one ever admits it tho. :p [22:51] Delahunt: I said that will be a reality some day [22:51] jesus, quit arguing with Delahunt, that's all he wants you to do.... [22:51] jesus is here? and he's wasting his time arguing with Delahunt? cmon dude.. save the world already! [22:52] tell him he owes me beer money [22:52] GooseYArd: you buying tomorrow night? [22:52] i think im on kid patrol tomorrow night but ive got a case in the garage [22:53] mental trolls [22:53] lol [22:53] thought i smelled smoke [22:53] you bogart it and I'll smack you... [22:54] actually there are some graphics/nvidia which allow make -j somebig number compile.. [22:54] oh no [22:55] russian hackers did it, it was published in some it magazine... [22:55] what an ironic nickname [22:55] distcc with a nice cluster will get you that too [22:56] Plasmastar (plasmastar@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [22:56] ill try to find that article.. [22:57] http://gizmodo.com/5061763/hackers-use-nvidia-graphics-card-to-smash-wi+fi-encryption-10000-percent-faster [22:57] heh, not make -j, but there is a point.. :) [22:58] http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-gpu-wifi-hack,6483.html [22:58] graphics cards love math [22:59] GooseYArd: yeah I worked on a project with my son on a system with 2 gtx295 cards working on n-queens problems [23:00] GooseYArd: you did the math ;) [23:02] distrust (~distrust@76-10-134-142.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:08] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:09] ElectRo` (~d831dc13@gateway/web/freenode/x-rvlsvngbeaotcqzf) left irc: Quit: Page closed [23:10] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:11] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:11] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[23:23] yes and no [23:24] you can run 32 bit programs on 64bit processors if you are running a 32 bit operating system, or have a "multi lib" system, which is not in slackware64 by default.. and is a huge pain in the butt to make it work [23:24] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [23:24] Kamel (~1@c-76-123-106-217.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:25] distrust (~distrust@76-10-146-204.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:26] not that hard to make a multi lib system [23:26] which libs would i need for the 32bit system [23:26] check out alienbob's wiki [23:26] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:26] Also how would I go about making it [23:26] Who is alienbob? [23:27] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib [23:27] thankyou [23:27] the changelog has been too quiet [23:27] here are the files http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ [23:28] if ur using kde 4.4 u need to download the 13.1 for it to work [23:28] but regardless u need to install all compat32 files [23:29] j0z (~lhp@201.47.28.32.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:29] j0z (~lhp@201.47.28.32.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [23:29] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [23:29] you might want to use wget to download all files its faster that way [23:29] mfillpot: another release? [23:30] thumbs: ??? [23:30] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: She talks to angels, says they call her out by name. [23:30] Kamel (~1@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:30] thumbs: ah, now I know what you were talking about, I was thinking of that also [23:31] thumbs: I do think that -current is stable enough, but it seems too soon, it has only been 6 months [23:32] mfillpot: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/slackware-changelog-stalling-or-not/ [23:32] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [23:32] distrust (~distrust@69-165-154-224.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [23:32] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Client Quit [23:33] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [23:33] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-167-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:33] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-167-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:34] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-167-231.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] fire|bird: ty [23:35] you're welcome [23:35] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:35] I have been off for a while, so I am lingering again [23:36] is anyone here going to the collab summit? [23:37] whats is qemu [23:37] coolkehon: http://wiki.qemu.org/Main_Page [23:38] distrust_ (~distrust@69-165-151-209.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [23:40] whats a tagfile? [23:40] I googled it [23:41] But I got java and other mixed results [23:41] distrust (~distrust@69-165-154-224.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:41] coolkehon: http://www.slackbook.org/html/package-management-making-tags-and-tagfiles.html [23:42] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) left irc: Quit: 2.6.33 [23:45] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [23:45] Kamel (~1@c-76-123-106-90.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [23:46] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. 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